| 00:00.00 | SirTophat | this sucks |
| 00:00.09 | zagibu | i don't think it is |
| 00:00.20 | jpinx | it's dead easy SirTophat |
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| 00:00.35 | jpinx | read the references you were given |
| 00:00.41 | SirTophat | every one of them didn't work |
| 00:00.58 | zagibu | if all else fails, you can always resort to a bleeding edge live-cd (knoppix, etc.) and do it from there |
| 00:01.01 | SirTophat | that 3g thing isn't even compatible with my version |
| 00:01.03 | jpinx | did you put an entry into /etc/fstab |
| 00:01.03 | simonrvn | SirTophat: it's quite feasible, you're just impatient |
| 00:01.16 | SirTophat | jpinx, I'll do that then |
| 00:01.23 | jpinx | SirTophat: paste the entry you put into /etc/fstab |
| 00:01.36 | Mousey | grabs popcorn |
| 00:01.41 | jpinx | SirTophat: pastebinit |
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| 00:02.18 | SirTophat | I think I just got how to make it have deleteing permissions |
| 00:02.22 | SirTophat | set it as rwd |
| 00:03.09 | zagibu | so does it work? |
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| 00:03.25 | zagibu | otherwise, here is a link: http://www.stylesen.org/installing_ntfs_3g_ntfs_read_write_in_debian_etch |
| 00:04.08 | SirTophat | /dev/sda2 /stuff ntfs rwd I have it as this and now it's saying bad filetype and etc |
| 00:04.19 | SirTophat | even though it's the same one that worked with ntfs earlier |
| 00:04.21 | kamp2tux | i m newbie, Iceweasel cannot display chinese characters in chinese-based websites, Please advise. TQ |
| 00:04.31 | sshc | dpkg, what is pastebininit? |
| 00:04.32 | dpkg | sshc: what are you talking about? |
| 00:04.36 | sshc | dpkg, what is pastebin? |
| 00:04.37 | dpkg | sshc: what are you talking about? |
| 00:04.41 | SirTophat | opening link |
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| 00:04.53 | edju | Isn't ~/Xmodmap supposed to keep key assignments persistent through logins? |
| 00:05.19 | SirTophat | gah, the download links aren't opening |
| 00:05.25 | SirTophat | is there something wrong with my line |
| 00:05.26 | SirTophat | brb |
| 00:05.28 | sshc | what is pastebinit? |
| 00:05.32 | sshc | dpkg, what is pastebinit? |
| 00:05.33 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, sshc |
| 00:05.42 | simonrvn | !pastebinit |
| 00:05.42 | dpkg | hmm... pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; specially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
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| 00:06.15 | simonrvn | edju: ~/.Xmodmap |
| 00:06.21 | simonrvn | note the dot... |
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| 00:07.19 | edju | simonrvn, yes, that was a typo. point is ~/.Xmodmap isn't being read , or the syntax is wrong, or something. |
| 00:07.53 | simonrvn | i used to point to ~/.xmodmap in my ~/.xsession |
| 00:08.15 | simonrvn | load it directly, just before the WM, with xmodmap |
| 00:08.52 | edju | simonrvn, wait . . is it Xmod... or xmod... |
| 00:09.04 | simonrvn | doesn't matter |
| 00:09.12 | zagibu | kamp2tux: have you installed mozilla-firefox-locale-zh-cn? |
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| 00:10.12 | kamp2tux | zagibu: how can i do that? |
| 00:10.17 | edju | simonrvn, could you take a peek at http://rafb.net/p/m697SD81.html? is the syntax OK? |
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| 00:10.28 | simonrvn | busy right now |
| 00:11.11 | kamp2tux | zagibu: do i need to install additional fonts for the purpose (Iceweasel to display chinese characters) ? |
| 00:11.34 | DiegoMax | is there any way to set user-based read only env vars ? like some .bashrc file that is not user writable or something ? |
| 00:11.53 | zagibu | kamp2tux: try apt-get install iceweasel-l10n-zh-cn |
| 00:12.17 | beardy | DiegoMax: You can read bash's manpage and look at the restricted option, but otherwise no. |
| 00:12.28 | DiegoMax | hmm k |
| 00:12.36 | beardy | DiegoMax: Since you can 'unset foo'. |
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| 00:12.59 | valdyn | kamp2tux: you just need to install chinese fonts |
| 00:12.59 | beardy | DiegoMax: Or just 'export foo=somethingnew'. |
| 00:13.11 | DiegoMax | but what if i declare +r the var ? |
| 00:13.15 | DiegoMax | i read that you can not modify it |
| 00:13.21 | valdyn | kamp2tux: "apt-cache search ttf- chinese" or somesuch |
| 00:14.19 | simonrvn | edju: that *seems* correct, but it's been a while |
| 00:14.24 | beardy | DiegoMax: If that is possible, then yes. Then you'd set it in /etc/profile I guess. |
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| 00:16.23 | kamp2tux | zagibu valdyn : i try to install but i got error msg (http://paste.ubuntu.com/128532/plain/) please advise. TQ |
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| 00:16.42 | zagibu | kamp2tux: you have to run as root |
| 00:17.10 | kamp2tux | zagibu: I already run as root |
| 00:17.15 | adb | kamp2tux: rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 00:17.47 | zagibu | kamp2tux: do you maybe have another installer open, like synaptics? |
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| 00:18.14 | kamp2tux | adb zagibu : ophss.. sorry |
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| 00:18.31 | bananahands | how do I check the size of my root directory? |
| 00:18.40 | bananahands | and all my partitions for that matter? |
| 00:18.42 | zagibu | du -sh / |
| 00:18.43 | adb | df -h |
| 00:19.14 | zagibu | df is for partitions, du for disk usage of directories |
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| 00:20.29 | jpinx | you can do du --max-depth=0 / |
| 00:20.36 | valdyn | kamp2tux: it means that aptitude or dpkg or synaptic or apt-get is already running |
| 00:20.51 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.57 | valdyn | ah, as usual |
| 00:21.13 | ed0n0n | I have a new Quad Core, and was in doubt of installing amd64 or ia64 version of lenny... Wich should I choose? |
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| 00:21.24 | CaT[t3] | amd64 |
| 00:21.31 | valdyn | zagibu: you dont need to install chinese localisatiojn package to see chinese websites properly |
| 00:21.32 | CaT[t3] | ia64 is a completely different chicken |
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| 00:21.47 | zagibu | you don't? |
| 00:21.47 | LiquidBSD | i had chicken for dinner |
| 00:21.51 | valdyn | zagibu: nope |
| 00:21.52 | simonrvn | "synaptic"; synaptics is that mouse pad driver ... |
| 00:22.04 | zagibu | so it's only for firefox-textitems? |
| 00:22.08 | valdyn | zagibu: l10n packages are just for the UI |
| 00:22.11 | zagibu | like menus and stuff? |
| 00:22.14 | zagibu | okay |
| 00:22.18 | zagibu | tfti |
| 00:22.20 | kamp2tux | valdyn adb: I m using chatzilla, so i restart iceweasel will quit IRC, |
| 00:22.31 | ed0n0n | CaT[t3]: Ok, so I don' t download the other chicken :) Thanx |
| 00:22.32 | valdyn | kamp2tux: weird |
| 00:22.46 | valdyn | kamp2tux: it means that aptitude or dpkg or synaptic or apt-get is already running |
| 00:22.53 | valdyn | kamp2tux: that much to your error ^^ |
| 00:23.03 | CaT[t3] | ed0n0n: indeed :) |
| 00:23.04 | zagibu | hehe |
| 00:23.58 | kamp2tux | valdyn: Yes, i closed the package managers. and installed suggested fonts, but iceweasel still cannot display chinese words. please advise.\ |
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| 00:24.27 | valdyn | kamp2tux: wrong fonts? theres at least 2 chinese font sets |
| 00:24.49 | zagibu | kamp2tux: it seems the iceweasel-l10n-stuff was only for iceweasel ui, not webpage content, sorry about that |
| 00:24.54 | valdyn | kamp2tux: show the link to the site |
| 00:25.12 | valdyn | kamp2tux: and tell us which fonts you installed |
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| 00:25.30 | zagibu | he didn't any, he's talking about the int package for iceweasel |
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| 00:25.42 | valdyn | zagibu: ah, probably |
| 00:26.02 | kamp2tux | valdyn: http://www.gov.cn/ |
| 00:26.17 | roy_hobbs | I'm setting up Keberos and LDAP. If I use SASL so that LDAP authenticates using Kerberos, do I set up PAM to authenticate to LDAP or to Kerberos? Or does it not matter if they are integrated like that? |
| 00:26.37 | zagibu | this displays fine on my box, and I certainly don't have any chinese fonts installed |
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| 00:27.13 | valdyn | kamp2tux: i can see in my abovementioned apt-cache search the following packages that might do it: ttf-arphic-ukai ttf-arphic-uming ttf-sil-yi |
| 00:27.33 | valdyn | kamp2tux: i havent got the slightest idea what UKai or UMing or Yi is, maybe you do |
| 00:28.41 | zagibu | but i don't have them installed and can still see www.gov.cn just fine |
| 00:28.53 | v4nelle | guys there is installation cd's of debian unstable?or i must install debian testing and change source.list manually? |
| 00:28.55 | k6 | hi, which package should I use to have : "Apache 2 development headers" ? |
| 00:28.58 | valdyn | maybe ttf-dejavu has it too? |
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| 00:29.19 | valdyn | theres alot of proper working chinese fonts, they dont have to be ttf necessarily |
| 00:29.37 | valdyn | ( but i think in lenny non-ttf fonts are disable by default ) |
| 00:29.56 | zagibu | hmmm, i DO have dejavu, of course |
| 00:29.57 | magyar | hi, i uninstalled all "kvm" packages, but "kvm" and "kvm_intel" keeps loading on reboot |
| 00:30.00 | valdyn | zagibu: maybe you didnt install lenny but upgraded from etch |
| 00:30.11 | valdyn | zagibu: then im sure xfonts-intl-chinese would do it |
| 00:30.13 | magyar | is kvm a default module in lenny? |
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| 00:30.41 | valdyn | kamp2tux: xfonts-intl-chinese and xfonts-intl-chinese-big |
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| 00:30.42 | zagibu | i didn't install it myself, unfortunately |
| 00:30.53 | zagibu | can you not see the characters, valdyn? |
| 00:31.06 | valdyn | zagibu: i have perfectly fine chinese font display |
| 00:31.12 | kamp2tux | valdyn: what should i do with xfonts-intl-chinese and xfonts-intl-chinese-big ?? |
| 00:31.27 | valdyn | kamp2tux: you can install all 5 packages i listed |
| 00:31.38 | zagibu | with apt-get install, as before |
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| 00:32.14 | adb | all 5 packages don't help , tested now |
| 00:32.30 | zagibu | kamp2tux: do you maybe have a screenshot of how www.gov.cn looks at your place? |
| 00:32.30 | valdyn | adb: how did you test that? |
| 00:32.36 | k6 | hi, which package should I use to have : "Apache 2 development headers" ? |
| 00:32.49 | kamp2tux | i have installed ttf-arphic-ukai ttf-arphic-uming ttf-sil-yi - but only very few pages can display correctly |
| 00:32.51 | adb | valdyn: on url |
| 00:33.07 | valdyn | kamp2tux: add those xfonts |
| 00:33.28 | kamp2tux | i doing the installation of xfonts-intl-chinese and xfonts-intl-chinese-big |
| 00:33.35 | valdyn | kamp2tux: I dont know which chinese font provides which chinese symbols |
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| 00:34.05 | valdyn | kamp2tux: or whatever the fuck WenQuanYi means |
| 00:34.15 | valdyn | kamp2tux: xfonts-wqy is there too |
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| 00:34.26 | zagibu | k6: apache2-prefork-dev or apache2-threaded-dev |
| 00:34.52 | k6 | zagibu, thanks, how can i know if my apache is threaded? |
| 00:34.55 | magyar | anyone using virtualbox on lenny? |
| 00:35.08 | kamp2tux | valdyn: do i need to install xfonts-wqy too ? |
| 00:35.27 | valdyn | kamp2tux: hmmm, i do not know what these chinese words mean |
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| 00:35.34 | zagibu | k6: just do an apt-get install -s apache2-prefork and tell the output |
| 00:35.41 | valdyn | kamp2tux: maybe you need that font, maybe not, wqy has no meaning for me |
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| 00:36.08 | zagibu | k6: ah, sorry, apache2-mpm-prefork, i meant |
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| 00:36.36 | Kapoca | hello, im in gnome and I seem to have lost my panels, how can I get them back? |
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| 00:36.39 | BigLuks | hi all |
| 00:36.46 | k6 | zagibu, already installed, so i suppose I should use apache2-prefork-dev right? |
| 00:36.50 | valdyn | kamp2tux: start in a terminal "gnome-panel" |
| 00:36.56 | zagibu | k6: yeah |
| 00:37.00 | valdyn | kamp2tux: ^^^ |
| 00:37.02 | valdyn | ffs |
| 00:37.04 | k6 | zagibu, ok, thanks a lot man |
| 00:37.04 | valdyn | Kapoca: ^^^ |
| 00:37.08 | BigLuks | i have a problem with debian lenny latest stable |
| 00:37.10 | Kapoca | valdyn: thanks |
| 00:37.17 | BigLuks | modeprobe isnt working |
| 00:37.23 | valdyn | Kapoca: gnome-session-save to save |
| 00:37.25 | Kapoca | valdyn: and i just point gnome panel to start up with gnome? |
| 00:37.29 | BigLuks | it just tells me |
| 00:37.32 | BigLuks | modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.6.18-028stab059.9-ent/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 00:37.34 | zagibu | k6: for next time: use apt-cache search apache2 | sort | less and look for the package yourself |
| 00:37.47 | BigLuks | and a depmod -a tells me: |
| 00:37.49 | BigLuks | depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 00:37.54 | valdyn | Kapoca: and i dont know if you need to mess with gnome-session-properties to make it "ok" on next login |
| 00:37.56 | BigLuks | whats wrong? |
| 00:38.22 | valdyn | !qm_modules |
| 00:38.22 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or if you are using woody you must upgrade to sarge to use a 2.6 kernel, ask me about woody->sarge |
| 00:38.22 | adb | BigLuks: you not useing debian |
| 00:38.41 | valdyn | or a very old version of debian |
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| 00:38.53 | adb | 2.6.18-028stab059.9-ent |
| 00:38.54 | BigLuks | adb yes i am! |
| 00:38.55 | valdyn | or could he really be using dsl? |
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| 00:39.59 | BigLuks | adb what? |
| 00:40.14 | adb | its not a debian kernel |
| 00:40.18 | BigLuks | o0 |
| 00:40.18 | valdyn | BigLuks: that is not a debian kernel |
| 00:40.23 | valdyn | BigLuks: dpkg told you the fix though |
| 00:40.33 | BigLuks | but it is debian |
| 00:40.58 | adb | NO |
| 00:41.09 | adb | derivate maybe |
| 00:41.15 | BigLuks | omg |
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| 00:41.21 | BigLuks | then my hoster is lying to me |
| 00:41.27 | adb | sure |
| 00:41.28 | BigLuks | i ordereed a server with debian |
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| 00:41.46 | gparent | its debian with a custom kernel probably |
| 00:41.48 | zagibu | what is cat /etc/debian_version telling you? |
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| 00:41.56 | valdyn | BigLuks: what kind of moron hoster can that be that gives you a 2.6 kernel system with 2.4 kernel support tools? |
| 00:42.06 | zagibu | hehe |
| 00:42.16 | zagibu | moronhost, a cool company name |
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| 00:43.23 | valdyn | BigLuks: but its certainly not lenny either |
| 00:43.35 | valdyn | BigLuks: 2.6.18 is what etch used |
| 00:43.40 | BigLuks | i dont have a /etc/debian |
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| 00:43.48 | valdyn | BigLuks: i dont have that either |
| 00:43.49 | BigLuks | there is only a /etc/debian_version |
| 00:43.50 | adb | bingo |
| 00:43.52 | BigLuks | which tells me 5.0 |
| 00:44.05 | gparent | thats what he asked you about actually |
| 00:44.14 | valdyn | BigLuks: not to bad then |
| 00:44.23 | zagibu | and uname -a? |
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| 00:44.38 | valdyn | BigLuks: your hoster probably upgraded the system image to lenny without using an actually new kernel |
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| 00:45.10 | valdyn | BigLuks: thats not nice, but not outright evil |
| 00:45.34 | themill | I thnk that's a redhat kernel -- it will be a virtual server that exposes the underlying kernel to the guest |
| 00:45.38 | jpinx | BigLuks: I am on a virtual server with lenny running on a .18 kernal 'cos I am with moronhosting#2 |
| 00:45.41 | BigLuks | Linux km34721-01.keymachine.de 2.6.18-028stab059.9-ent #1 SMP Tue Nov 25 15:45:49 MSK 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:45.51 | valdyn | themill: mm, probably |
| 00:46.04 | BigLuks | hm |
| 00:46.06 | BigLuks | damn |
| 00:46.07 | jpinx | BigLuks: it's best not to try to do too much |
| 00:46.21 | BigLuks | because then modprobe wont work at all |
| 00:46.42 | valdyn | themill: likely to be xen then? |
| 00:46.44 | kamp2tux | valdyn: i think iceweasel can display chinese fonts now - after installing xfonts-wqy thanks |
| 00:46.54 | valdyn | kamp2tux: great, welcome |
| 00:46.57 | BigLuks | valdyn: cant be xen |
| 00:47.01 | jpinx | valdyn: my host is running xen |
| 00:47.07 | BigLuks | xen clients has own kernels |
| 00:47.18 | BigLuks | i think its virtuozzo |
| 00:47.26 | valdyn | kamp2tux: i dont have that package installed btw, but i get chinese fonts in that gov site |
| 00:47.32 | jpinx | BigLuks: you need to speak to your hosting company |
| 00:47.40 | BigLuks | jeah |
| 00:47.43 | BigLuks | i think so |
| 00:48.01 | jpinx | BigLuks: good luck - I had no success and ended up moving |
| 00:48.17 | zagibu | kamp2tux: same here...no chinese fonts installed, but can see the characters fine |
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| 00:48.40 | valdyn | zagibu: you mean: none of the fonts installed we talked about |
| 00:48.47 | zagibu | yeah |
| 00:48.47 | valdyn | zagibu: surely you got chinese fonts |
| 00:49.18 | kamp2tux | valdyn: I also not sure why, bcos I do not need to care about the fonts - in ubuntu and firefox can display chinese word, but not for debian lenny with iceweasel. |
| 00:49.18 | zagibu | yeah, how else could they display? |
| 00:49.26 | themill | BigLuks: the domU kernel is controlled by the host machine not by the guest. The xen guest doesn't really have its own kernel in that regard. cat /proc/version to see if it mentions xen or vz stuff (RHEL normally does) |
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| 00:51.24 | BigLuks | kk |
| 00:51.26 | valdyn | kamp2tux: if your irc client is unicode: even the website source code is unreadable for me: font-family: "å®ä½"; |
| 00:51.26 | BigLuks | thx for help |
| 00:51.34 | valdyn | kamp2tux: cant tell you which font that is =/ |
| 00:51.39 | MarcN | Anyone have a pointer to good docs on setting up an iSCSI target/initiator? |
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| 00:51.48 | valdyn | kamp2tux: and if your irc client doesnt display that properly, its 2 chinese symbols |
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| 00:53.18 | kamp2tux | valdyn: hmmm.... there are more things i need to discover in my newly installed debian (I am for ubuntu user) :P |
| 00:54.26 | valdyn | kamp2tux: look at that site: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=font+chinese&searchon=all&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 00:54.31 | valdyn | kamp2tux: to many chinese fonts |
| 00:55.33 | kamp2tux | valdyn: wow... i m fainted |
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| 00:59.12 | zagibu | why am i still here, i have to get up in 4 hours... |
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| 00:59.53 | unow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:00.18 | valdyn | unow: why the hell mount when you dd ? |
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| 01:00.40 | valdyn | unow: sure you mount to a directory "on the cd" |
| 01:00.44 | unow | I want to dd /dev/sda4 to a directory on my /dev/sda3 |
| 01:00.55 | valdyn | unow: just mount as you would on a real system |
| 01:01.05 | unow | o.O |
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| 01:01.36 | zagibu | shouldn't you leave the source partition unmounted for dd, though? |
| 01:02.08 | valdyn | zagibu: yes, but thats not really likely to make a difference |
| 01:02.10 | unow | I mount /dev/sda3 and dd /dev/sda4 |
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| 01:02.21 | unow | It worked, valdyn... |
| 01:02.36 | keith4_ | you might want to try backup/restore, in the future |
| 01:02.36 | unow | kind of "ofcourse it did"... |
| 01:02.44 | keith4_ | avoid copying all those empty blocks, etc. |
| 01:02.45 | unow | keith4, how come? |
| 01:03.22 | flourish | hello, how can i install freebsd-utils in debian. I cannot find the package in repository |
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| 01:03.51 | unow | keith4 will those empty blocks take any time to copy? |
| 01:04.01 | sshc | I recently did aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade and now Xorg doesn't start |
| 01:04.16 | azeem | sshc: full-upgrade to what? |
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| 01:04.26 | slackd00d | has anyone else had a problem when upgrading sid and it complaining about /etc/modprobe.d not having .conf files? |
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| 01:04.42 | azeem | slackd00d: yes |
| 01:04.44 | unow | slackd00d google it, Ive seen it around |
| 01:04.53 | cygnus | maybe you should do |
| 01:04.58 | cygnus | sid -> etch -> lenny |
| 01:05.04 | Planet8 | What is the difference between keeping the word "etch" or the word "stable" in the source.list file? |
| 01:05.05 | azeem | cygnus: hrm? |
| 01:05.08 | slackd00d | it just happened today and messed up my system...now i'm on testing |
| 01:05.16 | azeem | Planet8: stable is lenny, not etch |
| 01:05.25 | azeem | slackd00d: messed up how? |
| 01:05.45 | Planet8 | azeem, so "stable" is not for production? |
| 01:05.46 | slackd00d | it wont let me load any modules |
| 01:05.55 | azeem | Planet8: I'm not sure how that follows? |
| 01:06.02 | azeem | Planet8: are you saying lenny is not for production? |
| 01:06.12 | azeem | slackd00d: what's the error message? |
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| 01:06.56 | slackd00d | azeem: i dont remember thats my problem.....i just reformatted and didnt save the message |
| 01:06.59 | unow | valdyn, I cant mount the partition to the folder created, it says No such file or directory |
| 01:07.00 | slackd00d | i know...im gay |
| 01:07.08 | zagibu | Planet8: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 01:07.12 | azeem | !gay |
| 01:07.12 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 01:07.47 | unow | if you really are gay? |
| 01:07.48 | azeem | slackd00d: so you don't have a problem anymore? |
| 01:07.52 | unow | freedom of speech? |
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| 01:08.15 | slackd00d | azeem: yes i do because i'm going to upgrade agian and it's gonna do it agian |
| 01:08.23 | kamp2tux | how do i enable synaptic to install newer version of pidgin ? advice me if i need to change the package source and what is the new link to the newer source ? |
| 01:08.25 | azeem | unow: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 01:08.43 | azeem | slackd00d: then next time keep your cool and write down the error message |
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| 01:08.53 | azeem | AFAIK the .conf messages are just warnings |
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| 01:09.03 | slackd00d | azeem: will do...i'll be back with it in an hour or so |
| 01:09.18 | slackd00d | im gonna try and hold back module-init-tools |
| 01:09.19 | azeem | I'll be asleep then anyway |
| 01:09.24 | azeem | hold back? |
| 01:09.29 | sshc | !pastebinit |
| 01:09.29 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; specially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 01:09.37 | slackd00d | not upgrade....seems to be the problem |
| 01:09.47 | slackd00d | from other people on google |
| 01:09.54 | azeem | slackd00d: what did you upgrade to? |
| 01:09.56 | azeem | lenny? |
| 01:10.09 | slackd00d | lenny to testing to sid |
| 01:10.13 | azeem | eh, why? |
| 01:10.27 | azeem | because you like reinstalling? |
| 01:10.35 | slackd00d | yes |
| 01:10.38 | azeem | k |
| 01:10.40 | azeem | not my problem then |
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| 01:10.59 | ringo999 | anybody using rtorrent with a webinteface? which one are you using? I tried to install wtorrent but non success... |
| 01:11.47 | slackd00d | whats wrong with sid? besides sometimes it breaks. i rarely have to reinstall |
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| 01:12.18 | slackd00d | this is the first problem for along time that made me reinstall |
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| 01:12.30 | CaT[t3] | slack: I believe that'd be the last two sentences of your previous statement |
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| 01:13.09 | digitaloktay | gn8 people |
| 01:13.54 | keith4_ | "reinstall"? |
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| 01:14.06 | SerajewelKS | wonders how freedom of speech applies at all to an IRC channel owned by an organization |
| 01:14.12 | adb | initramfs-tools on lenny have get me wrong initrd.img ... |
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| 01:14.28 | keith4_ | what's "wrong" about it? |
| 01:14.28 | adb | so inbootable systems |
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| 01:15.10 | gparent | theres nothing wrong with sid, its purpose IS testing. |
| 01:15.26 | gparent | the only thing wrong is people using sid and whining when they have issues. |
| 01:15.30 | adb | "waiting for root file system ..." > drop a initrd or so |
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| 01:15.37 | keith4_ | adb: using LVM? |
| 01:15.42 | adb | no |
| 01:15.49 | adb | mono disk |
| 01:15.59 | CaT[t3] | gparent: yeah. so long as you understand that your brother/sister/grandmother/pet dog can be eaten by it at any moment... |
| 01:16.08 | nightrid3r | ringo999 torrentflux |
| 01:16.10 | adb | one partition / |
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| 01:16.26 | slackd00d | azeem: well thanks anyway |
| 01:16.47 | keith4_ | is there a factoid for "root delay" or "root wait" or whatever it is? |
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| 01:17.29 | zagibu | kamp2tux: you have to add newer package sources |
| 01:17.31 | gparent | CaT[t3]: "You have installed sid. You are very likely to be eaten by a grue." |
| 01:17.41 | CaT[t3] | gparent: basically :) |
| 01:18.04 | CaT[t3] | gparent: but it needs to be done with bright lights and tapdancing grues. |
| 01:18.15 | kamp2tux | zagibu: I m newbie, pls suggest me the newer package sources links |
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| 01:18.31 | adb | keith4: if i use the initrd.img.back as initrd.img boot is ok |
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| 01:19.19 | adb | but that initrd.img.back was generate by initramfs-tools from etch ... |
| 01:19.56 | keith4_ | adb: like this? http://www.debianhelp.org/node/3943 |
| 01:19.57 | zagibu | kamp2tux: what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 01:19.57 | adb | it took me 24 h to find it |
| 01:21.32 | adb | keith4: no, not a kernel panic , only a initfs interface ala busybox |
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| 01:22.08 | kamp2tux | zagibu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/128558/plain/ |
| 01:23.21 | adb | keith4: i installed many kernel to test : .18 .24-etchnhalf.1 , .26 .28 |
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| 01:24.57 | adb | and i upgrade from etch to lenny (only) |
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| 01:27.22 | zagibu | kamp2tux: you can add the line deb http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 01:27.42 | zagibu | but this will enable sid for all of your packages...i don't know how to do it only for pidgin |
| 01:27.49 | sshc | what is the file that Debian uses to automatically modprobe something? |
| 01:28.16 | adb | apt-get install -t sid pidgin ? |
| 01:28.41 | sshc | /etc/modules |
| 01:28.56 | adb | yes |
| 01:29.10 | zagibu | adb: yeah, i've read that in the manpage, but wasn't sure |
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| 01:29.32 | zagibu | kamp2tux: did you get it? you don't have to add a pack source to just update pidgin... |
| 01:30.02 | coincoin161 | hi i am new to debian |
| 01:30.02 | coincoin161 | i just installed a command line system |
| 01:30.02 | coincoin161 | how do change the keyboard layout to azerty ? |
| 01:30.06 | adb | or use "dpkg -i pidgin " |
| 01:30.12 | zagibu | kamp2tux: just use apt-get install -t sid pidgin, like adb kindly suggested |
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| 01:30.47 | zagibu | i gotta catch some 3.5 hours of sleep now, cya guys, and thanks to everyone who helped me |
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| 01:31.10 | kamp2tux | zagibu: I am using the synaptic to update pidgin after u have advised me the additional source |
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| 01:31.22 | morlenxus | Hey |
| 01:32.06 | zagibu | kamp2tux: okay, that works, too, but you should maybe remove the sid source again afterwards, or all your software will get upgraded |
| 01:32.19 | morlenxus | Is it possible to disable execution of the postinst hook script update-grub? I have a nfs system and this command fails every time, so the system want's to reconfigure the kernel every time i run apt/aptitude. |
| 01:32.30 | adb | coincoin161: on X ? |
| 01:32.50 | coincoin161 | adb : no |
| 01:32.54 | coincoin161 | on the command line |
| 01:33.18 | coincoin161 | is there some kind of .conf in /etc to change ? |
| 01:33.40 | adb | locale.gen ? |
| 01:33.51 | adb | add fr to it |
| 01:34.51 | adb | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 01:35.09 | coincoin161 | thanks |
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| 01:35.22 | kamp2tux | zagibu : yes, it works - the upgrade done and i have newer version of pidgin. Thanks, and i will remove the sid source. |
| 01:35.40 | adb | a voir ... |
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| 01:35.47 | coincoin161 | i just saw that openssh-server depends on libx11 ? why ? |
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| 01:36.17 | adb | ssh -X ? |
| 01:36.33 | Planet8 | I have just upgraded from etch to lenny and postgresql has stopped working, is there anything that needs to be done to get the existing databases up and running. |
| 01:36.35 | coincoin161 | i did not think of that |
| 01:36.36 | Wyzard | coincoin161: because it can act as an X server for tunneling |
| 01:36.39 | coincoin161 | yes you are right |
| 01:36.45 | coincoin161 | i forgot |
| 01:37.01 | coincoin161 | because i used -X option only once a while ago |
| 01:37.08 | CaT[t3] | planet8: more then likely you'll need to migrate your dbs from 8.1 to 8.3 |
| 01:37.57 | Planet8 | CaT[t3], thats a mess.. thanks! |
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| 01:40.43 | unperson | I just got a new HD. I've moved over the contents of my old HD to the new one and updated /etc/fstab (on the new / partition) to reflect the new locations of things. I know I now need to fix grub so I can boot on the new disk. I'm currently running from a live CD with the new HD mounted. What do I do to configure grub? |
| 01:41.04 | unperson | Can I somehow use dpkg-reconfigure grub? |
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| 01:41.55 | shiloh7 | can anyone tell me what i need to do to get debian testing to recognize a sata hd? |
| 01:41.57 | adb | update-grub /deb/ |
| 01:42.00 | adb | .. |
| 01:42.33 | Wyzard | shiloh7: You shouldn't need to do anything special at all |
| 01:42.37 | Wyzard | shiloh7: Just plug it in |
| 01:43.07 | shiloh7 | Wyzard, doesn't recognize the sata hd, 5.0 does and i am running that |
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| 01:43.09 | prahal | unperson: I would chroot then update-grub after having the /boot/grub/device.map check for correctness |
| 01:43.12 | aburch | unperson: grub-install. The install CDs also have an option to restor grub (IIRC). |
| 01:43.33 | Wyzard | shiloh7: Is the driver for the SATA controller loaded? |
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| 01:44.11 | shiloh7 | Wyzard, it doesnt have it on the live cd for some reason |
| 01:44.16 | Wyzard | shiloh7: That would be why |
| 01:44.35 | aburch | Doesn't update-grub only update menu.lst and not the boot record? |
| 01:44.35 | unperson | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.37 | Wyzard | shiloh7: What driver? |
| 01:44.46 | shiloh7 | Wyzard, and brings me to the origanal q, how do i get it to work? |
| 01:44.52 | pirving | /dev/sda1 |
| 01:45.00 | Wyzard | shiloh7: by loading the driver |
| 01:45.14 | shiloh7 | nm, thank you anyway |
| 01:45.16 | Wyzard | shiloh7: What liveCD are you using? |
| 01:45.25 | prahal | shiloh7: maybe the driver is available as a package |
| 01:45.38 | unperson | aburch: That would be a problem. Presumably the new drive doesn't have grub in the MBR. |
| 01:45.46 | shiloh7 | the newest screetch testing |
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| 01:46.19 | prahal | most livecd do not keep things after a reboot . If you want that you may have to build the livecd extending the original one |
| 01:46.31 | shiloh7 | is it possible to compile the driver into the live testing ico? |
| 01:46.52 | shiloh7 | iso* |
| 01:46.53 | Wyzard | shiloh7: What's the driver that's missing? |
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| 01:47.01 | Wyzard | shiloh7: It might be one that was removed from later kernels due to firmware or something |
| 01:47.29 | adb | or, better do a custom live cd |
| 01:47.33 | shiloh7 | Wyzard, when i run the live cd, it gets to partitioning, and doesnt recognize the hard drive, and wants me to select a driver, i have no clue what driver to select, etc |
| 01:47.54 | prahal | unperson: one can boot from a rescue disk grub and grub-install afterwards as usual when boot has proceeded. I prefer chroot though |
| 01:48.11 | Wyzard | shiloh7: OK, when you said the driver was missing from the liveCD I thought you meant that you knew what driver your controller needs and had determined that it was not on the CD |
| 01:48.33 | Wyzard | shiloh7: What type of SATA controller do you have? |
| 01:48.38 | shiloh7 | Wyzard, sorry didnt mean to misslead you :-) |
| 01:49.06 | adb | what say lenny about SATA controller ? |
| 01:49.16 | shiloh7 | Wyzard, its a Dell pc, no clue what you exactly mean |
| 01:49.38 | shiloh7 | adb, i have lenny running on it now, installed perfect |
| 01:49.39 | adb | lspci , will tell you |
| 01:49.40 | xxiao | how to rebuild my current filesystem from source? is apt-build the only way(broken way)? |
| 01:49.47 | unperson | prahal: But the question is, will update-grub actually do anything to install grub in the MBR or will it just update the menu.lst file as aburch said? |
| 01:49.58 | Wyzard | unperson: update-grub just regenerates menu.lst |
| 01:50.03 | Wyzard | unperson: grub-install puts code in the MBR |
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| 01:50.31 | unperson | prahal, aburch, Wyzard: Sorry, I've been using linux for a while, but when it comes to grub I'm a noob. |
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| 01:51.24 | Wyzard | shiloh7: run lspci, as adb said |
| 01:51.35 | Wyzard | shiloh7: or look up the specs on Dell's website |
| 01:51.50 | Wyzard | shiloh7: You can't troubleshoot why your hardware isn't working unless you know what hardware you have |
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| 01:52.27 | unperson | Wyzard, prahal: I see, so I should run update-grub in a chrooted environment. What about grub-install? I mean, it'll need to be able to get to /dev/[device]. Oh, I'll need to use the --root-directory option, correct? |
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| 01:54.17 | Wyzard | unperson: What I do, when chrooting from a liveCD to a disk installation, is "mount --bind" the liveCD's /dev, /proc, and /sys into the filesystem I'm going to chroot to |
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| 01:55.00 | prahal | does anyone have tcpd outputting logs in /var/log/daemon.log as it is supposed to ? I am running syslog-ng, double checked the config and I need confirmation that tcpd is not even fired up . |
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| 01:55.53 | prahal | I am in limbo trying to decipher why I get connection refused to my local news cache server |
| 01:55.57 | unperson | Wyzard: I see. Thanks for the advice. |
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| 01:57.41 | josemoreira | hi all |
| 01:57.48 | josemoreira | anyone has setup iFolder on Etch? |
| 01:57.54 | josemoreira | and lived to tell the tale? |
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| 02:01.03 | khaije1 | iFolder from novell? |
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| 02:05.24 | Planet8 | Why does lilo get installed during upgrade from etch to lenny? I never used lilo, I was using grub. |
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| 02:07.40 | adb | dependencies ? |
| 02:07.48 | khaije1 | Planet8: one reason lilo might be chosen is if your /boot is located on a lv or otherwise inaccessble to grub stage 1.5 |
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| 02:08.25 | Planet8 | well, I have deleted it and grub runs fine. |
| 02:08.49 | prahal | Planet8: probably because of kde lilo config tool that drag it for me |
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| 02:09.18 | prahal | Planet8: you can see by using aptitude and checking the reverse dependencies of lilo |
| 02:09.25 | Planet8 | prahal, yes thanks |
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| 02:11.14 | keith4__ | how does this happen? http://rafb.net/p/kBQ5Vf80.html |
| 02:11.25 | josemoreira | khaije1, yep |
| 02:11.30 | keith4__ | it's very confusing. http://rafb.net/p/41L12h29.html |
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| 02:14.10 | bjoernb | hello |
| 02:14.15 | bjoernb | i am running debian unstable |
| 02:14.32 | adb | no support ! |
| 02:14.44 | bjoernb | adb: ok |
| 02:14.53 | prahal | keith4: what is confusing ? |
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| 02:15.05 | jpinx | bjoernb: if you are clever enough to run unstable you will not need any support ;) |
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| 02:15.25 | bjoernb | jpinx: k. |
| 02:15.26 | keith4__ | prahal: mtab differs from /proc/mounts. sda vs hda |
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| 02:15.45 | bjoernb | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/amarok is uninstallable for me. |
| 02:16.12 | keith4__ | see the "experimental" part of the URL? ;-) |
| 02:16.16 | avu | bjoernb, checked the BTS? and the buildd logs? |
| 02:16.45 | prahal | keith4_: ok . I though you had both as fdisk -l showed |
| 02:16.48 | avu | bjoernb, also 'is uninstallable' is an error description almost as void of usable information as "it doesn't work" |
| 02:16.57 | keith4__ | prahal: i do have both |
| 02:17.22 | bjoernb | avu: i am checking right now. |
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| 02:17.48 | prahal | somethime mtab is not in sync . bug or something that prevented from updating |
| 02:17.59 | keith4__ | prahal: i have booted off the 2G CF card (hda1). yet, 'mount' shows sda1 as / |
| 02:18.00 | prahal | /proc/mounts is the canonical |
| 02:18.51 | keith4__ | fstab has sda1 as /, too |
| 02:20.06 | bjoernb | it is uninstallable for me because several packages have unmet dependencies, those are kdebase-runtime, kdelibs5, amarok, kdelibs-bin |
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| 02:20.34 | Kensey | I got upgraded all the way to lenny finally! |
| 02:20.38 | bjoernb | those unmet dependencies are packages that are not installable. |
| 02:20.49 | bjoernb | says aptitude. |
| 02:20.59 | bjoernb | buildd says nothing about amarok2 |
| 02:21.06 | keith4__ | bjoernb: why are you using experimental packages? |
| 02:21.14 | prahal | ah mtab only sync to fstab . Now the point is what happened when fstab tried to mount sda1 . What is the pass number on the sda1 line in fstab |
| 02:22.11 | Kensey | what's the GNOME clone of amarok? |
| 02:22.39 | khaije1 | rhythmbox, exaile to name a couple |
| 02:22.40 | keith4__ | Kensey: rhythmbox? |
| 02:22.41 | bjoernb | keith4__: i want to use a up to date version of amarok to give feedback for the podcast implementation as it is being reimplemented from scratch. |
| 02:22.42 | prahal | Kensey: not really a clone (there is one but I don't remind its name) . BUt there is rhythmbox |
| 02:22.45 | adb | rhythmbox |
| 02:22.58 | Kensey | nah, I know about rhythmbox |
| 02:22.58 | prahal | exaile that is |
| 02:23.03 | keith4__ | rhythmbox is more of an itunes clone |
| 02:23.06 | Kensey | exaile, that's it I think |
| 02:23.28 | keith4__ | prahal: /dev/sda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro,noatime 0 1 |
| 02:24.02 | khaije1 | oh and banshee also, i'd say those three are your best bet |
| 02:24.24 | prahal | ok the last number 1 tells that at boot it was mounted first . How did you mounted /dev/hda1 ? |
| 02:24.29 | keith4__ | bjoernb: backporting the new amarok to lenny isn't an option? |
| 02:24.35 | keith4__ | i guess you'd need a lot of kde libs too |
| 02:24.43 | prahal | the way it was doen seems to have prevented update to mtab |
| 02:25.03 | keith4__ | prahal: it's not mounted |
| 02:25.16 | keith4__ | well. it depends who you ask ;-) |
| 02:25.34 | bjoernb | keith4__: it is not: "You need to be running Debian unstable (Lenny is not and won't be supported, you cannot install the package on Squeeze either at the moment) and have experimental repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list." read: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Debian |
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| 02:27.13 | prahal | sda1 ? I mean how did you prevented it from being mounted automatically ? 1 mean first during boot . I am a bit lost as the only way I use to choose the root partition is in fstab then reboot |
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| 02:27.55 | bjoernb | amarok 2.1.x will be the first appearence in debian testing, as it seems. |
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| 02:28.08 | magyar | hi, what are /dev/sg? devices for? |
| 02:28.20 | keith4__ | "scsi" |
| 02:28.31 | keith4__ | could be anything that uses scsi emulation, too |
| 02:28.34 | bjoernb | that'll be released in >= 2-3 months |
| 02:28.43 | adb | scsi + generic |
| 02:29.08 | keith4__ | prahal: there is a 2G CF card on a CF->IDE adapter. that is the root fs. there is a 1G CF card in a USB card reader. |
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| 02:30.05 | bjoernb | so sorry for asking for support for debian unstable. |
| 02:30.10 | Kensey | Anybody else hit the bug with grub-probe in lenny? |
| 02:30.13 | khaije1 | bjoernb: why would amarok 2.1 first appear in testing? isn't kde 4.2 still in experimental? |
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| 02:30.36 | keith4__ | prahal: so, really.... it's booting from hda1. in fact, this is from grub's menu.lst "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro" |
| 02:30.55 | keith4__ | i have no idea why it shows up as sda1 once it boots |
| 02:31.00 | prahal | ah ok |
| 02:31.21 | keith4__ | initramfs weirdness, i guess |
| 02:31.37 | Kensey | grub has a weird idea of device names sometimes |
| 02:32.01 | bjoernb | khaije1: "When official Amarok 2.1 prereleases are made, they are going to be packaged for Debian sid/experimental too. Effectively, this means that there are no plans to provide an official Debian package for 2.0.2 or future 2.0.x bug fix releases." read: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Debian |
| 02:32.16 | Kensey | hd0 is supposed to be the first available drive, but my hd0 is /dev/hdg (yes, there is a /dev/hda) |
| 02:32.29 | keith4__ | bjoernb: you might need to backport that yourself |
| 02:32.53 | keith4__ | but that's a lofty project |
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| 02:33.16 | prahal | because of fstab and /etc/rcS.d/ scripts |
| 02:33.34 | bjoernb | keith4__: yeah. that is why i will go back to testing. and use another distri in a vm to test podcasting in amarok2. |
| 02:33.37 | khaije1 | bjoernb: even if they are skipping a version wouldn't the packages still have to trickle in from experimental? |
| 02:34.09 | prahal | from a first look it seems they check if the kernel given root is the same as fstab one /etc/rcS.d/S10checkroot.sh |
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| 02:34.33 | bjoernb | khaije1: that was a quote from the package maintainer and i interpret it that there will be no version before 2.1 in testing. |
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| 02:35.13 | Kensey | wonders if compiz would be asking too much from a P3-600, 768 MB, Viper 550 system |
| 02:35.40 | adb | no |
| 02:35.43 | keith4__ | Kensey: depends how patient you are |
| 02:36.08 | keith4__ | prahal: right, but it's not, in this case. i don't understand how the hell this thing booted |
| 02:36.46 | adb | ask the bios/kernel ? |
| 02:36.47 | Kensey | keith: I have the patience of a saint, except with idiot NOC staffers |
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| 02:37.06 | khaije1 | bjoernb: i think i misread your statement "amarok 2.1.x will be the first appearence in debian testing" to mean it will bypass unstable and experimental and go directly to testing (which is what didn't make sense to me) |
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| 02:37.37 | Kensey | swears if the NOC calls him one more time about a server being down before they actually check if it's down, there's gonna be an office ninja incident |
| 02:37.59 | keith4__ | lol |
| 02:38.22 | bjoernb | khaije1: no it read it like 2.0.x will never get into testing, since it will never get into unstable. |
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| 02:39.20 | Kensey | for extra fun, today I plugged in my work phone to charge the battery and as soon as I turned it on, I had 2 voicemails. Apparently they called me even though I went off call Friday, because they didn't know who the new on-call was. |
| 02:39.23 | khaije1 | bjoernb: gotcha :-] |
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| 02:39.55 | bjoernb | khaije1: ? |
| 02:39.56 | prahal | well I meant that it check if it is otherwise it uses the kernel provided one . Later on in S35mountall.sh it mount everything without check and thus update mtab . And it seems even if mount failed (if there is a bug it lays there) ... because one cannot mount over root without remount I believe |
| 02:40.01 | Kensey | oh, on a more Debian-related topic, is there just no official-logo version of Firefox in Debian any more? |
| 02:40.15 | Kensey | i.e. it's iceweasel or nothing? |
| 02:40.28 | prahal | thus in practice it use the kernel provided one ... but still update mtab |
| 02:40.31 | keith4__ | iceweasel |
| 02:40.41 | keith4__ | prahal: ugh |
| 02:40.50 | keith4__ | Kensey: read the wikipedia article. it's enlightening |
| 02:40.53 | stew | Kensey: was there ever one with the official logo? |
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| 02:41.26 | prahal | yup not pretty I bet this was not tested extensively (because it works so no one noticed the bug or took the time to decrypt it) |
| 02:41.37 | Kensey | I vaguely remember the mailing list traffic between Mike C. from Mozilla and various Debian staff just prior to the etch freeze |
| 02:41.56 | kjdro | hi , how can i tell debian installer to skip partitioning and proceed whit instalation ??? |
| 02:42.01 | Kensey | stew: awhile ago, yes (Firefox 1.x days) |
| 02:42.31 | kjdro | partitioning came out whit error but everithing seems fine...done it manually...etc... |
| 02:42.47 | stew | Kensey: i'm not sure if we ever were shipping the non-free artwork, if we were, it was many years ago. debian certainly isn't shipping them now |
| 02:43.27 | bjoernb | it is late. good night. |
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| 02:46.38 | Kensey | I think that was the origin of the issue, actually. Debian was shipping the rebranded artwork with the official name |
| 02:47.03 | Kensey | but I think earlier than that, it was official name & logo |
| 02:47.15 | pl4yer0ne | anyone used SSDs before? these are taking aaaagggeeessss to format |
| 02:47.40 | Kensey | I get why it has to be iceweasel in main, but it seems like the official package could exist in contrib or non-free |
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| 02:49.38 | kjdro | guy's pls urgent help.. running late.. how can i skip partitioning of disks in debian instaler ??? (partitioned and mounted disks already manually) |
| 02:50.04 | kjdro | installation wont continue, says partitioning failed |
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| 02:51.05 | jpinx | kjdro: you have to go through that stage and just accept existing partitions |
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| 02:51.17 | jpinx | iirc;) |
| 02:52.13 | stew | Kensey: we could distribute firefox in non-free if we agree to not patch it for security fixes, meaning the versions in stable would almost definately be full of security vulnerabilities |
| 02:52.20 | stew | Kensey: which is a disservice to our users |
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| 02:53.31 | Kensey | is there concern about official approval of security fixes taking too long? |
| 02:53.52 | stew | Kensey: yes, and that they won't support older versions |
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| 02:54.14 | Kensey | "older" being defined as what? beyond the previous major version? |
| 02:54.30 | stew | Kensey: yes, like the version in stable |
| 02:54.48 | stew | Kensey: or the version in oldstable |
| 02:55.03 | stew | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 02:55.03 | judd | stew: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.17-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.6-1 squeeze: 3.0.6-1 |
| 02:55.18 | stew | Kensey: for instance, are they still providing security fixes for 2.0.0.17? |
| 02:55.27 | Kensey | that I don't know |
| 02:55.47 | stew | Kensey: and will they continue to for the next 11 months? |
| 02:56.48 | Kensey | FWIW I see a 2.0.0.20 in the official FTP site |
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| 02:57.59 | basix | I've a machine running debian and I'm logging in remotely using ssh. Whenever I issue *any* command I get an error like /bin/su: Input/output error |
| 02:58.05 | kjdro | jpinx: dood, focus, cus i cant ;) how can i skip that stage ? what i must modyfi for installer to think that it passed succesfully .. and more important what can i do about these: # fsck.ext3 -pv /dev/sda1 rootfs: Resize inode not valid. rootfs: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. |
| 02:58.06 | basix | what could be the trouble? |
| 02:58.11 | stew | Kensey: "Firefox 2.0.0.x will be maintained with security and stability updates until mid-December, 2008. All users are strongly encouraged to upgrade to Firefox 3." |
| 02:58.25 | stew | Kensey: so no, they aren't going to support it for the rest of etch's lifecycle |
| 02:58.27 | Kensey | yeah, .20 is dated 12/18 |
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| 02:59.19 | keith4__ | kjdro: don't you think you should fix the underlying problems, instead of trying to install on a flaky filesystem? |
| 02:59.53 | Kensey | kjdro, if you're installing the OS anyway, why not just let it repartition and reformat? |
| 03:00.26 | khaije1 | basix: it sounds to me like a disk problem, can you confirm proper access to the disks? |
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| 03:01.03 | keith4__ | basix: pastebin exactly what happens |
| 03:01.04 | basix | khaije1, how? i cant run *any* command. only cd works. ls, cat, more, less everything gives me a i/o error! :| |
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| 03:01.29 | kjdro | kensey cus i'm installing on a nslu2... and a flash stick... witch i set up manually on my desktop... on nslu2 lack of memory .. there is only 32mb to format and stuff FCK ... darn a days work.. CRAP |
| 03:02.40 | keith4__ | aren't there web walk-throughs on doing that? |
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| 03:03.10 | khaije1 | basix: you said it was remote, so i thought it may have some sort of hosted support. If there was some sort of disk failure that would explain you difficulty |
| 03:03.16 | kjdro | there are.. but verry clumsy walkthrou.. and dont cover all the issues |
| 03:03.40 | basix | khaije1, no its a home server :| |
| 03:03.45 | khaije1 | basix: it's only a possibility but examining the physical device may save you time |
| 03:03.47 | kjdro | and i think they seem prety outdated |
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| 03:04.54 | basix | khaije1, i'm approximately 10000 miles away from the machine at the moment so cant do that :( |
| 03:04.58 | basix | keith4, http://rafb.net/p/cW1k9x65.html |
| 03:05.08 | basix | keith4__, http://rafb.net/p/cW1k9x65.html |
| 03:05.21 | basix | s/keith4/keith4__ |
| 03:05.28 | Kensey | basix: everything I'm reading says most likely the disk is failing |
| 03:05.30 | kjdro | kensey: just had a brake down while partitioning and formating sayd partition :(( and i waited all day for the data to be copied over usb "HIGH" speeds of ubuntu |
| 03:05.50 | keith4__ | 10000 miles? impressive |
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| 03:06.09 | basix | Kensey, i cant even reboot the damn machine because it wont let me su and i've disabled root login via ssh :P |
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| 03:06.21 | keith4__ | basix: how about "env"? |
| 03:06.22 | Kensey | is it in orbit? It's not possible to be more than about 8000 miles away from anything on or in the Earth :) |
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| 03:06.43 | basix | keith4__, -bash: /bin/env: Input/output error |
| 03:06.54 | basix | Kensey, no its on the other side of the world :P |
| 03:07.01 | Kensey | so you're basically limited to bash builtins |
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| 03:07.11 | stew | the internet backbone isn't perfectly straight |
| 03:07.12 | basix | Kensey, guess so :| |
| 03:07.20 | keith4__ | basix: echo $PATH? |
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| 03:07.47 | basix | keith4__, /usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/home/basix/bin |
| 03:07.52 | basix | works :| |
| 03:07.57 | Akuw | any tool torecover deleted files from NTF partition ? |
| 03:08.10 | kjdro | a shovel ? |
| 03:08.20 | keith4__ | basix: you're screwed. go have a beer ;-) |
| 03:08.20 | kjdro | or a hammer perhaps... |
| 03:08.28 | Akuw | the deleted files were emptied fro, recicler bin |
| 03:08.34 | khaije1 | keith4: is bash fully in memory when run? |
| 03:08.34 | Kensey | can you read files from your homedir? |
| 03:09.10 | keith4__ | basix: looks like 'rm' still works ;-) |
| 03:09.27 | Kensey | try echo < /home/basix/[any text file] |
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| 03:11.32 | basix | Kensey, i dont know which files are there |
| 03:11.47 | keith4__ | try .bash_history |
| 03:12.03 | Kensey | hm, it looks like that won't cat the file anyway |
| 03:12.28 | stew | Kensey: what are you hoping that "echo < /home/basix/[any text file]" will do? |
| 03:12.47 | aidan | where can I get Helvetica as a ttf? |
| 03:12.50 | Phaze | try /exec -o $disp /home/name/file.txt |
| 03:12.57 | Kensey | stew: if his /home is a different partition than the rest, maybe stuff there will read and execute |
| 03:13.32 | Kensey | in which case he might be able to put a copy of su in /home/basix/bin and su to root successfully |
| 03:13.45 | basix | Kensey, okay i can do it |
| 03:13.48 | stew | echo doesn't take stdin |
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| 03:13.52 | Kensey | basix, do you know are all the partitions on the same disk? |
| 03:14.00 | basix | Kensey, yes |
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| 03:14.30 | stew | basix: does "while read a ; do echo $a ; done < /etc/mtab" work? |
| 03:14.42 | stew | basix: and if not, how about /proc/mounts instead of /etc/mtab? |
| 03:15.10 | stew | basix: perhaps you'll find that the filesystem containing /bin has problems |
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| 03:15.30 | yitz_ | What can read a "DBase 3 index file"? |
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| 03:15.47 | basix | stew, -bash: read: read error: 0: Input/output error |
| 03:15.53 | stew | wow, didn't dbase4 replace dbase3 in the 80s? |
| 03:16.06 | yitz_ | Is dbase4 free? |
| 03:16.17 | stew | no |
| 03:16.25 | yitz_ | Oh. :( |
| 03:16.25 | zinx | yitz_: if you figured that out via 'file', it's probably wrong. |
| 03:16.29 | stew | yitz_: dbase4 was a commercial database software from the 80s |
| 03:16.33 | yitz_ | I did use 'file' |
| 03:16.42 | basix | stew, how do i copy the su binary to my home directory and run it? |
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| 03:16.57 | zinx | yitz_: the dbase signature matches a lot of files that have nothing to do with dbase |
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| 03:17.14 | zinx | yitz_: file probably just doesn't know what it is |
| 03:17.19 | Kensey | back in the day I had afterstep running under sarge, and I liked the way it looked and all. How do I set up lenny's afterstep to look like the old version did? |
| 03:17.25 | stew | basix: you can't |
| 03:17.42 | basix | stew, is there a bash only way? |
| 03:17.46 | yitz_ | I got a Cantax file that 'file' reports to be DBase. I'd like to open it using something other than CanTax. I got good reason to believe it does use some sort of DB engine |
| 03:18.09 | stew | basix: bash only way to what? |
| 03:18.14 | kamp2tux | I got "GPG error" related to missing Public key - after i have include the source for multimedia support http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian-multimedia/ |
| 03:18.24 | basix | stew, can i copy the binary off some other machine? |
| 03:18.41 | zinx | yitz_: yeah, but almost certainly not dbase 3 |
| 03:18.46 | basix | stew, ssh works :| |
| 03:18.57 | stew | basix: well you not only need the binary, but all of the shared libraries it is lined to and a runtime link resolver |
| 03:19.08 | Kensey | I wonder would remounting / work? |
| 03:19.32 | stew | basix: is /usr on a separate partition from /? |
| 03:19.45 | basix | stew, no :( |
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| 03:20.01 | stew | basix: what do you mean by "ssh works"? what exactly works? |
| 03:20.32 | basix | stew, i'm able to login remotely... so sshd is working... possibly because its in memory |
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| 03:20.36 | yitz_ | zinx: CanTax allows you to create 'filters' that do SQL-like queries. sqlite3 failed. I guess its probably a custom bastardization of SQL or MySQL or whatnot... |
| 03:21.01 | Kensey | basix, hate to say it, but I hope you have good backups |
| 03:21.01 | basix | stew, hmm...this is weird ssh <RET> run ssh command |
| 03:21.05 | zinx | yitz_: do you have cantax? |
| 03:21.20 | yitz_ | zinx: Not on this PC |
| 03:21.28 | basix | Kensey, i wonder if i've run out of memory |
| 03:21.29 | zinx | yitz_: the binary probably has some strings in it that refer to the database in use |
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| 03:21.45 | Kensey | doubt it basix, that's a different error |
| 03:22.25 | basix | Kensey, alrighty...looks like the only option at hand is let the machine be and manually power it off |
| 03:22.51 | yitz_ | zinx: The data is stored in a .P07 file. SQL/MySQL etc don't usually allow opening a 'file', do they? You need to import etc. That's why I tried sqlite first |
| 03:22.53 | zinx | basix: alt-sysrq-U alt-sysrq-S |
| 03:23.07 | zinx | basix: then boot up a live CD and copy what you can / recover |
| 03:23.20 | basix | zinx, i dont understand that key combination |
| 03:23.47 | zinx | basix: preferably the copy should be using dd (with conv=noerror,sync) but it sounds like you're drive's so messed up you won't be able to copy anything |
| 03:24.01 | basix | :| |
| 03:24.02 | basix | okay |
| 03:24.49 | zinx | yitz_: all the SQL libraries i know about have at least one file format they'll read :/ |
| 03:26.10 | yitz_ | zinx: Interesting. Except I'm not interesting in installing MySQL and postgresql and a whole slew to see if one magically works. Too much effort |
| 03:26.23 | zinx | yitz_: i never suggested doing anything like that |
| 03:26.28 | yitz_ | I know |
| 03:26.36 | zinx | yitz_: the first thing i'd do is see if there are useful strings in the binary :/ |
| 03:26.47 | zinx | considering you do seem to have access to it, even if it's not immediate |
| 03:26.57 | yitz_ | I'll get my hands on that and check. |
| 03:26.57 | yitz_ | I was hoping 'file' would be more reliable... |
| 03:26.59 | aidan | yitz_: P07 ... part 07 |
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| 03:27.09 | yitz_ | aidan: CanTax '07 |
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| 03:27.15 | zinx | (actually, the first thing i'd do is check the file itself via hex editor, but i'm assuming you did as much of that as you could) |
| 03:27.20 | yitz_ | No |
| 03:27.28 | yitz_ | I'd have no idea what I'm looking at |
| 03:27.36 | aidan | yitz_: strings yourfile.P07 |
| 03:27.39 | zinx | which means you can't really do a whole lot that way :D |
| 03:28.02 | khaije1 | basix: so you are able to connect with new sessions? |
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| 03:28.34 | yitz_ | aidan: That shows a lot of the data but not in a usable format |
| 03:28.49 | aidan | yitz_: do you have any reason to assume it's not a proprietary format |
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| 03:29.11 | yitz_ | No |
| 03:29.35 | aidan | well, the fact you can see the data in strings is a good start |
| 03:29.36 | yitz_ | I suggested its a custom modified version of something else |
| 03:30.08 | aidan | that means it's not completely binary |
| 03:30.25 | aidan | but if there's no header information that suggests the format, your prospects are slim. |
| 03:30.27 | zinx | aidan: no it doesn't |
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| 03:30.35 | zinx | aidan: it just means some of the binary data happens to be text :p |
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| 03:31.24 | aidan | zinx: I guess I mean, it's not encoded in some crazy binary format that doesn't resemble a readable character encoding |
| 03:31.54 | yitz_ | gtg now. bbl... I'll check logs when I return |
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| 03:32.54 | keith4__ | what was the logic behind having apt install all recommended packages, by default? |
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| 03:33.33 | |davenull| | Hello, I am trying to rebuild a debian package, patching some of the contents first, and then build a deb for my server network, and when I patch, the debuild fails due to the binary not being the same. Any isdeas on how to hack my way out of this? |
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| 03:34.08 | zinx | |davenull|: what are you trying to do? it may be better to build the package properly |
| 03:35.03 | |davenull| | zinx: True, I was going to attempt just patching the repo version, and then remaking it. I am adding some extra goodies to the libpam-ldap package. |
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| 03:35.56 | zinx | |davenull|: yeah, you should probably 'apt-get source libpam-ldap' and use dpkg-buildpackage and such |
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| 03:36.23 | |davenull| | Gotcha, can do, just needed a little bit of a sanity check on this. |
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| 03:37.35 | |davenull| | zinx: Actually, that *is* what I am doing, and that is the issue. |
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| 03:37.44 | |davenull| | dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to libpam-ldap-184/pam_ldap-184/acconfig.h: binary file contents changed |
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| 03:40.05 | zinx | |davenull|: o_O |
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| 03:40.18 | zinx | |davenull|: use -b |
| 03:40.26 | |davenull| | zinx: Will do. |
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| 03:41.23 | |davenull| | zinx: I think the fact that I applied the patch to the source directly may be where I am running into issues. |
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| 03:45.00 | |davenull| | zinx: Win, thanks alot. |
| 03:46.07 | Planet8 | I have just upgraded from Etch to Lenny and I have a problem with Postfix. In the log it says "fatal: unexspected command-line argument", but I cannot find out where there is a problem. I have tried using verbose output, but its the same result. I have tried running a trace on the process also without gaining any insight. |
| 03:46.58 | Planet8 | During upgrade I chose to keep my config files, and I think something should have been changed.. is there a way to look at the differences again? between the maintainer config and my current ones? |
| 03:47.22 | keith4__ | the new conf files will be there, too |
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| 03:47.50 | keith4__ | and does it really say "unexspected"? |
| 03:48.04 | acu | I want to make the icons in Gnome BIG as big as possible - for an older person - how can I do that ? |
| 03:49.20 | Planet8 | keith4__ yes |
| 03:49.34 | keith4__ | wonderful |
| 03:49.34 | Planet8 | keith4__ where are they located so that I can run a diff? |
| 03:49.35 | enouf | !info configure-debian |
| 03:49.55 | Planet8 | keith4__ yes thats a very useful error message! |
| 03:49.56 | cafuego | acu: Open a folder; Go to Edit > preferences; up the zoom level. |
| 03:50.06 | keith4__ | Planet8: wild guess, but... /etc/postfix? |
| 03:50.06 | dpkg | configure-debian: (central configuration program for packages using debconf), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
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| 03:50.42 | rgr | Now lenny is stable will updated nvidia-glx drivers still come through? Or do I need to somehow tell the system to use experimental drivers? |
| 03:50.48 | enouf | judd: versions configure-debian |
| 03:50.48 | judd | enouf: configure-debian -- etch: 1.0.2 lenny: 1.0.2-0.1 sid: 1.0.2-0.1 squeeze: 1.0.2-0.1 |
| 03:50.55 | Planet8 | keith4__ thats the current old files.. the maintainer files which I declined where are they located? |
| 03:51.07 | cafuego | rgr: Only security fixes get in. |
| 03:51.26 | rgr | how should I keep up to date with the video drivers then? |
| 03:51.34 | rgr | run the nvidia installer? |
| 03:51.34 | keith4__ | Planet8: same place |
| 03:51.43 | cafuego | Planet8: They're in there as <file>.dpkg-new |
| 03:51.48 | keith4__ | rgr: no |
| 03:51.58 | rgr | or move to "testing" again? |
| 03:52.02 | cafuego | rgr: You need to not upgrade if what you have works fine. |
| 03:52.35 | Planet8 | ahh the <file>.dpkg-dist |
| 03:52.38 | rgr | cafuego: yes, I can work that out. But it doesnt work fine and the video drivers are constantly improving. Ideally I would only alter those. Is there a "better" way of doing that? |
| 03:52.44 | Planet8 | cafuego, thanks! |
| 03:53.16 | cafuego | rgr: yes, but if I mention it here I'll get yelled at ;-) |
| 03:53.25 | rgr | can you /msg me then please? |
| 03:53.42 | rgr | I dont know why, most people want HW support from their video drivers. |
| 03:54.22 | cafuego | armflaps at /msg |
| 03:54.25 | Planet8 | cafuego, what is the diffence between file endings ucf-dist and dpkg-dist? |
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| 03:54.41 | cafuego | Planet8: I have no idea. Run `diff' on them ;-0 |
| 03:55.16 | Planet8 | cafuego, I was thinking about the extension :) |
| 03:55.20 | Planet8 | but thanks |
| 03:55.23 | enouf | ucf == ubuntu canonical f'up? |
| 03:55.53 | cafuego | See? |
| 03:57.30 | dmoerner | Planet8, ucf is an alternate way to handle different config file installations, i believe. a dpkg-dist file comes from an upgrade that is installed through dpkg/apt |
| 03:58.08 | rgr | cafuego: so there is no official way to bring in up to date nvidia hw accelerated video drivers on a stable debian install? Wow. I though it would have been quite common place since the drivers are so in development and generally behind the "other OS" versions. |
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| 03:59.38 | cafuego | rgr: The thing is that the nvidia drivers are 100% non-open |
| 03:59.47 | kamp2tux | I got "GPG error" related to missing Public key - after i have include the source for multimedia support http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian-multimedia/ |
| 03:59.59 | rgr | cafuego: not that that affects anything. they are still buildable. |
| 04:00.14 | rgr | or rather the kernel interfaces are, |
| 04:00.26 | Planet8 | dmoerner, thanks |
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| 04:00.52 | dmoerner | kamp2tux, you need to install debian-multimedia-keyring and then run aptitude update |
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| 04:02.37 | kamp2tux | dmoerner: many thanks for guidances |
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| 04:09.31 | diddl | Hiya all :) btw is this the main debian chatroom or is debian at irc.debian.org the right one? |
| 04:09.33 | |davenull| | Does anyone happen to know how to find and change the keycode for a key on a keyboard? |
| 04:09.51 | |davenull| | Or actually, the mapping for that keycode. |
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| 04:11.03 | diddl | |davenull|: you can use xev to determine the keycode and xmodmap to remap keys |
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| 04:11.30 | khaije1 | if i add a driver to a running system, then plug it in do i need to re-run hal or udev for the device to be detected correctly? |
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| 04:12.17 | adb | acu: as ? : file:///usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/128x128/actions/launch.png |
| 04:12.19 | diddl | |davenull|: http://cweiske.de/howto/xmodmap/allinone.html <--- i used that guide yesterday |
| 04:12.22 | dmoerner | khaije1, if you just modprobe'd the driver you shouldn't need to rerun those services to pick it up. i don't know about automounting programs though |
| 04:14.20 | khaije1 | dmoerner: so even if the device was already connected before the modprobe? a reboot (or something similar) isn't necessary? |
| 04:14.49 | dmoerner | khaije1, probably not, depends on how the driver is written. you should try a depmod and unplugging the device though to maximize your chances of success |
| 04:15.20 | khaije1 | it's an on board usb connection, thats why i ask |
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| 04:21.14 | b0nn | hi all, Im trying to remove a package with dpkg -r, and I cant because of dependency issues. How do I find what they are, and how to deal with them? |
| 04:21.32 | b0nn | dpkg: error processing konqueror-plugin-fsview (--remove): dependency problems - not removing |
| 04:21.32 | dpkg | b0nn: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 04:21.47 | dmoerner | b0nn, aptitude install will give you more information about that |
| 04:22.34 | |davenull| | diddl: Thanks. |
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| 04:24.31 | |davenull| | diddl: Pretty much, the way to turn the brightness up on this computer is <fn>+<left arrow>, issue is not that that does not work, but that it also prints this "±'... |
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| 04:27.07 | adb | acu: put the apps on top/bottom panel ,and adjust General Size (99) in Panel Properties |
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| 04:28.38 | deadlyninja | i turned on my machine when a hard drive didnt have power and it was dropped from my raid. is there a way to make it so the system will avoid mounting the raid read-write if a disk is missing? |
| 04:30.05 | adb | mount it ro == read-only ? |
| 04:30.20 | enouf | deadlyninja: see /etc/default/mdadm |
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| 04:31.16 | deadlyninja | adb, mount ro doesnt help because i didnt know the drive was unpowered. i mean i want the system to avoid assembling a degenerate array if a drive is missing |
| 04:31.37 | adb | isee |
| 04:31.43 | adb | i see |
| 04:32.56 | aidan | I've done dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and enabled bitmapped fonts, then installed msttcorefonts, I still don't see Helvetica.ttf ... how do I install this damn font? |
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| 04:37.15 | adb | !tell aidan about msttcorefonts |
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| 04:37.52 | aidan | did you read what I just wrote? |
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| 04:38.27 | adb | yes , and you ? |
| 04:39.27 | aidan | adb: could you be more specific, I'm not sure what you are telling me |
| 04:39.29 | adb | the ms core fonts doesn't contain Helvetica |
| 04:40.08 | aidan | right, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/helvetica-isnt-it-supposed-to-be-in-msttcorefonts-254961/ |
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| 04:42.03 | adb | maybe available from other sources ... |
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| 04:42.24 | aidan | I've been googling for hours |
| 04:44.27 | Kensey | ugh, Juniper VPN |
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| 04:56.29 | adb | aidan: you want IT for CSS ? |
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| 05:07.27 | iuri | hi there, how do i check a size of a directory |
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| 05:08.15 | peterrooney | iuri: du can help |
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| 05:16.22 | iuri | peterrooney, thanks |
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| 05:19.44 | Phaze | The Ultimate question, Debian GNU Linux Or Gentoo Linux ?! |
| 05:19.52 | Kensey | prefers to cat /dev/[device] and just count the bits himself |
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| 05:20.25 | Kensey | Phaze: do you need things ultra-super-optimized? |
| 05:20.28 | craigevil | Phaze: you are in a debian channel what answer do you expect |
| 05:20.38 | Phaze | Lol. |
| 05:21.15 | Kensey | if you need it ultra-optimized, go Gentoo, but if getting things done pretty painlessly is the thing, go Debian :) |
| 05:21.36 | Kensey | also go Debian if free software is morally important to you |
| 05:21.46 | Phaze | I think the answer will be a biast one in which the channel is debian, so most users would say Debian is far superior when in reality Gentoo is far greater for optimization yet you can configure alot of things in debian in which I would say the best out of Debian and Gentoo would be whatever is best for you. |
| 05:22.12 | craigevil | !greenhouse |
| 05:22.12 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 05:22.35 | Phaze | Pft. |
| 05:22.48 | Kensey | personally my server runs Debian and my laptop runs Ubuntu. |
| 05:22.55 | khaije1 | isnt' gentoo dfsg-compliant? |
| 05:23.04 | craigevil | yes feel free to compile for hours to get that .0000001% increase in speed |
| 05:23.41 | Kensey | khai: I would think it would have to be by its very nature, but don't really know for sure; regardless, Debian has always been a mindshare leader there :) |
| 05:24.10 | khaije1 | craigevil: when your computer power is infinitely close to inifinty the value of the marginal improvement approaches infinity |
| 05:25.27 | Kensey | it's like the old thing about waiting till the price of a piece of hardware drops -- at some point the value of having it over a period of time is worth more than the drop in price that would occur over the same time |
| 05:25.33 | dondelelcaro | khaije1: the file browser is |
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| 05:26.00 | Kensey | so the question is, how much is the clock time of compiling rather than working worth to ya? :) |
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| 05:26.50 | dondelelcaro | Kensey: you'll find that most people who talk about compiling for optimization haven't run comprehensive benchmarks on the software that they're trying to optimize |
| 05:26.53 | Kensey | always wondered what Google's internal version of the Linux kernel looks like |
| 05:27.18 | Kensey | oh I have no doubt of that, although benchmarks of any kind are iffy by nature |
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| 05:27.53 | dondelelcaro | Kensey: you'll also find that far more gains are gotten by examining algorithm and optimizing the ones that have the most impact on the runtime. |
| 05:28.15 | dondelelcaro | Kensey: benchmarks can be good; ideally they replicate precisely what you're doing with your machine |
| 05:28.21 | Kensey | ah, who am I kidding. We have a government client at work that runs a public-facing website fed by a database on a dual P-200 NT Server. |
| 05:28.32 | Phaze | but the time configuring and setting up the software to optimze it takes longer then what a few seconds slower would be :P |
| 05:29.04 | Kensey | they need all the optimization they can get on that box, but it's running NT... |
| 05:29.19 | Phaze | -_- |
| 05:29.47 | Kensey | oh and when I say "database", I really mean "collection of flat LDIF files" |
| 05:30.11 | |davenull| | Phaze: Gentoo is win. Debian is stable. |
| 05:30.28 | boingolov | I'm running lenny, having an issue with the postgresql-8.3 package . for whatever reason, there is no socket in /var/run/postgresql |
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| 05:31.18 | boingolov | when I run the init.d scripts to start and stop it, there is no output (normally see something like "starting postgresql 8.3" or "stopping postgresql 8.3" etc |
| 05:31.21 | boingolov | anyone else seen this issue? |
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| 05:31.34 | boingolov | there are no logs |
| 05:31.54 | boingolov | and /etc/posetgres is blank |
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| 05:32.25 | Lagaro | is there anybody here who can give me an opinion on my firewall script? |
| 05:32.46 | Lagaro | I think I've covered off everything . . . |
| 05:33.19 | dondelelcaro | boingolov: that usually indicates that you don't have postgresql-8.3 actually insta..ed |
| 05:34.02 | boingolov | dondelelcaro, I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling |
| 05:34.10 | boingolov | but yes, it does appear that large chunks of it are missing |
| 05:34.29 | boingolov | tried to do a dpkg-reconfigure also, but it doesn't actually do anything. no errors though |
| 05:34.40 | dondelelcaro | boingolov: reinstall it with conf-miss, as well as the postgresql-common package |
| 05:35.25 | boingolov | what is conf-miss? |
| 05:35.44 | boingolov | btw, postgresql-common is installed |
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| 05:36.20 | boingolov | at least according to dpkg |
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| 05:39.29 | dondelelcaro | boingolov: yeah, but you've clearly blown away some of the configuration files |
| 05:39.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell boingolov -about confmiss |
| 05:40.53 | boingolov | thanks, trying that now |
| 05:41.13 | boingolov | so even if I uninstall, it still skips the config files? |
| 05:41.27 | boingolov | btw, it's not just /etc/postgresql that's missing |
| 05:41.31 | boingolov | the data dir is missing |
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| 05:43.16 | boingolov | and that doesn't appear to have worked either |
| 05:43.21 | dondelelcaro | the data directory gets created using pg_createcluster |
| 05:43.33 | dondelelcaro | boingolov: its' the first step. You should now have some stuff in /etc/postgresql |
| 05:43.34 | boingolov | this is a new install btw |
| 05:43.44 | boingolov | I don't though |
| 05:44.28 | dondelelcaro | boingolov: then try running pg_createcluster 8.3 main; or similar |
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| 05:45.04 | moparisthebest | is there a way to detect file system types on the command line? cfdisk and fdisk only lists them as 'linux' not 'ext2, ext3, reiserfs' etc |
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| 05:46.08 | dondelelcaro | moparisthebest: the easiest way is to just mount the thing |
| 05:46.48 | dondelelcaro | moparisthebest: but you can always do file -s /dev/hdafoo |
| 05:47.03 | moparisthebest | dondelelcaro, but the ext3 partition mounts as ext2, plus i may need to load the proper module first |
| 05:47.54 | gigo | is there any piano (keyboard) software for debian in which I can try playing music and test? |
| 05:48.08 | gigo | and to which I can feed music in the form of C, D, E, .. or any other notation and test music? |
| 05:48.26 | gigo | i want it to have both the keys as well as file feeding capability. |
| 05:48.47 | Lagaro | gigo: interesting question. . . I saw one a while ago |
| 05:48.54 | Lagaro | gigo: give me a moment, I'll try to find it |
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| 05:49.31 | boingolov | dondelelcaro, ahh, don't remember the pg_createcluster step before |
| 05:49.33 | gigo | Lagaro: thanks. I am waiting. |
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| 05:49.59 | boingolov | this is exactly what I needed |
| 05:50.33 | boingolov | also, on an unrelated note, seem to be having strange hangups with a CF card. guess I'll need to tune the dma stuff tomorrow |
| 05:50.49 | dondelelcaro | boingolov: it's done for you automatically by default, but something probably stopped that from happening |
| 05:50.54 | moparisthebest | dondelelcaro, file only reports 'block special' for the entire harddrive or individual partitions |
| 05:51.05 | dondelelcaro | moparisthebest: uh... you did notice the -s option? |
| 05:51.24 | dondelelcaro | (and it obviously has to be for the partition) |
| 05:51.25 | boingolov | dondelelcaro, thanks for the help |
| 05:51.34 | dondelelcaro | boingolov: np |
| 05:52.57 | Lagaro | gigo: I *know* I saw one, but I can't find it any more . . . my best suggestion would be csound, perhaps . . . |
| 05:53.14 | moparisthebest | hmm, that does work but it isn't very easily parsed, thanks dondelelcaro :) |
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| 05:55.12 | dondelelcaro | gigo: vkeybd is one, you pretty much want something that can output midi |
| 05:55.38 | gigo | dondelelcaro: vkeybd can output midi? |
| 05:55.43 | dondelelcaro | gigo: as far as things that turn notation into midi, my personal favorite is lilypond |
| 05:56.03 | dondelelcaro | gigo: it says it can; I've never used it |
| 05:56.11 | dondelelcaro | (I use real keyboards when I want midi devices) |
| 05:56.19 | gigo | dondelelcaro: I thought lilypond was just a latex thing to print sheet music |
| 05:56.38 | dondelelcaro | gigo: yes, but it also outputs midi corresponding to the sheet music |
| 05:57.39 | gigo | dondelelcaro: i have a real keyboard too but when sometimes when I get ideas while computing, I just want to try them out quickly. |
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| 05:58.02 | gigo | dondelelcaro: thanks for the suggestion. I will try lilipond. does it also have virtual keys to press keys and try? |
| 05:58.12 | gigo | i mean lilypond? |
| 05:58.32 | dondelelcaro | gigo: nah, it just takes text files and turns them into sheet music or midi |
| 05:58.39 | gigo | ok |
| 05:59.02 | dondelelcaro | gigo: but it produces really nice sheet music, and the syntax for it is fairly simplistic. [It's the closest thing I know of to what you were asking for in terms of feeding notes in.] |
| 05:59.26 | dondelelcaro | (well, easy stuff is simple; you can do insanely complicated things in lilypond too) |
| 05:59.43 | faheem_ | Hi. I'm currently in India, and having a little trouble setting Indian Standard Time correctly on my laptop. I used dpkg-reconfigure tzconfig for lenny, but it is precisely 12 hrs off. Is this a bug? Should I report it? |
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| 06:00.41 | Lagaro | faheem_: is your system clock set correctly? . . . |
| 06:00.45 | dondelelcaro | faheem_: and what does date -u; date; date +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S %z' |
| 06:00.49 | dondelelcaro | faheem_: output? |
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| 06:01.09 | dondelelcaro | faheem_: odds are you either have the wrong setting for your system clock, or you haven't selected the right timezone |
| 06:02.09 | faheem_ | dondelelcaro: sec |
| 06:02.30 | dondelelcaro | faheem_: for example, TZ='Asia/Kolkata' date; shoudl output 11:32:30 IST or similar. |
| 06:03.10 | dondelelcaro | (assuming the database is right, and Kolkata is +0530 |
| 06:03.14 | faheem_ | dondelelcaro: paste? |
| 06:03.19 | dondelelcaro | !paste |
| 06:03.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 06:04.10 | kamp2tux | where can i find the information on disabling the ipv6 support in debian lenny ? |
| 06:05.51 | simonrvn | !ipv6 |
| 06:05.51 | dpkg | somebody said ipv6 was at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ |
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| 06:06.03 | simonrvn | !disable ipv6 |
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| 06:07.08 | faheem_ | dondelelcaro: ooh, debian has its own paste channel? Sec. |
| 06:08.02 | faheem_ | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/plain/30117 |
| 06:08.35 | faheem_ | I'm actually using Kolkata, which is the only Indian city listed. Dunno why that was chosen. |
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| 06:18.42 | dasunt | Anybody have a clue why my xorg.conf specifices 1680 x 1050 but xorg does 1600x1200? |
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| 06:20.59 | dondelelcaro | faheem_: so yeah, your clock is set 12 hours ahead. It's now 06:20 UTC. |
| 06:21.07 | dondelelcaro | !tell faheem_ -about set the time |
| 06:21.20 | dondelelcaro | faheem_: follow the instructions that dpkg told you, and your problem should be resolved. |
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| 06:33.00 | multi_io | why is it that in newer kernels, |
| 06:33.10 | multi_io | - kqemu doesn't work any longer |
| 06:33.36 | multi_io | - snd_hda_intel causes all kinds of problems when recording from line-in |
| 06:34.11 | multi_io | - video4linux shows strange device duplication issues (2 devices but 4 /dev/videox nodes active) |
| 06:34.23 | multi_io | - lirc causes a kernel oops? |
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| 06:34.50 | multi_io | I just switched back to 2.6.21 entirely, and everything works perfectly again! |
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| 06:35.51 | multi_io | this subtle degradation of kernel driver reliability has been occuring for years now |
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| 06:44.55 | cast | hmm, bit disappointed that lenny released without resolving the firmware blob issue. etch did the same :| |
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| 06:48.06 | nsadmin | the blob issue is in non-free, isn't it? |
| 06:48.11 | jelly-home | cast: and each time an idiot brought the issue up in deep freeze, instead of dealing with it, say, rigt now, completely before before the freeze. |
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| 06:48.53 | nsadmin | jelly-home: they should have known past etch :P |
| 06:49.06 | nsadmin | sorry, no excuse :) |
| 06:49.08 | jelly-home | nsadmin: hence the epither |
| 06:49.24 | nsadmin | I mean the maints... the report was there |
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| 06:49.41 | dondelelcaro | yes, but the problem is rather difficult to resolve |
| 06:49.54 | dondelelcaro | because there's a large set of hardware which needs the firmware |
| 06:50.11 | nsadmin | ok, I'd accept that; you're saying they remained aware of it |
| 06:50.33 | kamp2tux | iceweasel cannot install it's Add-on unless the about:config (network.dns.disableIPv6=true) why is that so? please advise. I m using Debian Lenny Amd64. |
| 06:50.46 | nsadmin | including mine, I have a RME thin |
| 06:50.48 | nsadmin | g |
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| 06:50.53 | nsadmin | u |
| 06:50.59 | nsadmin | err thingy |
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| 06:52.21 | valdyn | kamp2tux: should still work, just have a long timeout if ipv6 is not available |
| 06:52.49 | valdyn | !ipv6 |
| 06:52.49 | dpkg | i heard ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ |
| 06:52.59 | valdyn | mm |
| 06:53.19 | kamp2tux | valdyn: how do i disable the ipv6 support completely from the system ? |
| 06:53.23 | nsadmin | in order for the module loading process to find the firmware for the multiface, it has to be in /lib/firmware... is this the case for all firmware |
| 06:53.24 | nsadmin | ? |
| 06:53.33 | valdyn | kamp2tux: blacklist the ipv6 module |
| 06:53.36 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 06:53.36 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist'. |
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| 06:54.06 | kamp2tux | valdyn: please advise how can i do that? i m newbie. Y |
| 06:54.23 | valdyn | kamp2tux: do what exactly? dpkg explains alot |
| 06:54.36 | nsadmin | dpkg, alot? |
| 06:54.36 | dpkg | I think I'll allot a lot of beatings for people who think alot is a word. |
| 06:54.58 | valdyn | nice! |
| 06:55.10 | nsadmin | not much of an explanation :P |
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| 06:57.12 | cast | within the debian process, is there any scope for users to have any weight in important decisions? or is the only way i can make an impact by convincing dds to vote in a way i'd like. [which, FWIW, would be to adhere to the DFSG] |
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| 06:58.40 | nsadmin | and have it be binding? |
| 06:59.17 | StarkD | I just installed icedove-traybiff to minimize icedove. how do I start it or use it in icedove? |
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| 07:01.05 | simonrvn | nsadmin: that's why dictionaries exist ;) |
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| 07:03.12 | StarkD | never mind I found traybiff in Add-ons |
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| 07:03.57 | jelly-home | !noipv6 |
| 07:03.57 | dpkg | [noipv6] echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 07:04.55 | jelly-home | (merely blacklisting makes leftover warning messages in syslog when something tries to load the support anyway) |
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| 07:14.18 | CentHOGG | hi |
| 07:14.20 | CentHOGG | hi, how do you update your sources list for apt, aptitude, tasksel from the command line? I would like to use the Debian DVD as a source now that I've installed from the Debian XFCE CD. Thanks in advance |
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| 07:18.32 | cast | CentHOGG: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:18.43 | cast | CentHOGG: afterwards, aptitude update |
| 07:19.09 | CentHOGG | how about apt-cdrom add |
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| 07:19.12 | CentHOGG | :) |
| 07:22.36 | cast | that would be an easier way :) |
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| 07:23.03 | CentHOGG | cast: what is your desktop? ever try XFCE? |
| 07:23.13 | cast | sure, i have. |
| 07:23.17 | cast | my desktop is e16 |
| 07:23.34 | CentHOGG | I can't seem to find most of the controls that I'm familiar with from gnome |
| 07:23.41 | CentHOGG | so it's kinda daunting |
| 07:24.16 | cast | definitely wouldn't like my desktop. :) |
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| 07:26.30 | icenine | um, i installed gnome, and now when I want to install something else aptitude tells me it's going to remove all the gnome related packages... |
| 07:26.47 | icenine | I have no idea why.. is there a way to clear out aptitude so it doesn't want to remove them? |
| 07:27.41 | CentHOGG | icenine: hi, can you just quit out of aptitude safely? |
| 07:27.53 | icenine | CentHOGG, i hit 'n' |
| 07:28.03 | icenine | so I'm good |
| 07:28.29 | CentHOGG | did you go to aptitude with aptitude... or did you try tasksel |
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| 07:28.48 | icenine | to install gnome I did: aptitude install gnome |
| 07:29.03 | icenine | now I am trying to install eclipse, and it tells me all the gnome packages will be removed. |
| 07:29.10 | icenine | I'm using aptitude install eclipse. |
| 07:29.37 | CentHOGG | type in tasksel and tell me what you see there |
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| 07:29.50 | cast | icenine: i'd try aptitude install eclipse gnome briefly |
| 07:29.56 | icenine | Nothing is checked |
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| 07:30.40 | icenine | cast, your solution worked but I am kind of interested in why it wants to remove gnome to begin with. |
| 07:30.47 | icenine | Thanks |
| 07:30.48 | CentHOGG | great |
| 07:30.56 | cast | might think it was automagically installed, or something |
| 07:31.14 | cast | dunno, people run into such issues when they don't use aptitude exclusively most often |
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| 07:48.22 | frevidar | I'm tossing up between debian and ubuntu. Easy hardware install is probably fairly important for me, I'd like things to be somewhat plug and play. Also an easy desktop install would be good also. I'd be also using it for some software devlopment and as a personal server (only serving things to myself for testing, not the world). I haven't used debian since potato/woody, so I was wondering... |
| 07:48.24 | frevidar | ...whether hardware setup has become more user friendly since then? |
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| 07:50.54 | has | sava |
| 07:51.00 | adnc | hello, i do get an "Error occured while loading or saving configuration information for gnome-terminal..." when i start a root terminal. what could be the problem? |
| 07:51.07 | deadlyninja | i installed apache2 and phpsysinfo, but when i go to http://server/phpsysinfo/ it tries to download the php script instead of showing the system information. the apache configs are all unchanged from the defaults |
| 07:51.21 | has | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:51.36 | deadlyninja | anyone know whats probably wrong? /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5 is present too |
| 07:51.46 | cast | frevidar: sure hardware setup as gotten more userfriendly. |
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| 07:54.09 | kdas | i install debian to a CF card but having troubles booting from it can some one please help ? i am getting stuck at grub stage 1.5 |
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| 07:58.23 | kdas | anyone ? |
| 07:58.52 | cast | i run debian off a sd card, but have grub on the internal ssd |
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| 07:59.36 | kdas | i am trying to install debian to card via card reader then using that in my small soekris box |
| 07:59.47 | kdas | be right back |
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| 08:01.18 | kdas | cast, any idea? |
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| 08:02.15 | cast | damn, these soekris things are pricy |
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| 08:03.03 | kdas | mine was 70$ |
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| 08:03.21 | cast | from their store? |
| 08:03.55 | kdas | no |
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| 08:04.59 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 08:14.48 | flourish | hello, i want to use the freebsd version of tr command; but i cannot find the freebsd-utils package, can someone help |
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| 08:16.38 | cast | flourish: hmm, it in bsdmainutils? |
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| 08:17.18 | flourish | cast, but when dpkg -L badmainutils, no tr found |
| 08:18.02 | azeem_ | flourish: it's not certain that it's shipped by Debian |
| 08:18.12 | azeem_ | Debian generally prefers GNU userland over BSD userland |
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| 08:19.47 | flourish | azeem: yes, but this time to translate some files i need the freebsd version of tr, |
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| 08:20.06 | azeem | flourish: so I suggest you look elsewhere for the source |
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| 08:20.52 | flourish | azeem: yes, i google freebsd-utils on the web, but cannot find the source, so ask for help here :-( |
| 08:21.02 | flourish | ;-) |
| 08:21.10 | kamp2tux | what vritual machine can i use to install Vista Windows 64-bit as guest O/S onto the host Debian Lenny Amd64 |
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| 08:21.49 | cast | kamp2tux: does your licence allow that? |
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| 08:22.23 | kamp2tux | cast: yes, My company come with OEM license of Vista 64 biz |
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| 08:23.13 | cast | kamp2tux: ahh, well then, give MS support a call :) |
| 08:23.13 | kamp2tux | cast: yes, I also have volume license of Vista 32-bit biz |
| 08:23.36 | faheem_ | dondelelcaro: didn't see any instructions from dpkg regarding setting the time. |
| 08:24.49 | dekar | does anyone know how to use fs-cache on debian? |
| 08:24.57 | dekar | it is a kernel patch made by redhat, that allows caching of slower devices on faster one. like nfs on hdd, or cd on hdd. |
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| 08:26.14 | faheem_ | ! set the time |
| 08:26.15 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 08:28.44 | Skaarj | hi |
| 08:28.59 | p0g0__ | is dpkg in other channels, like a quiet sandbox one where exercising the bot won't offend? Also, is there a menu command or dox for dpkg? |
| 08:30.17 | Skaarj | i have to compile my packages myself, so i do apt-get build-dep <package> ... apt-get --compile source <package> |
| 08:30.20 | Skaarj | sometimes he creates more then one *.deb ... so i have to find out which one to install with dpkg -i |
| 08:30.24 | Skaarj | is there a way to ask apt which package he would have chosen when doing apt-get install <packagename> ? |
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| 08:31.20 | tenzind | while restarting my network or running dhclient, can i ask the DHCP server to assign me with a different IP than what is presently assigned to me?? |
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| 08:33.04 | faheem_ | polux: you could try msging dpkg privately. this has worked for me in other channels, eg. postgresql. |
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| 08:34.36 | faheem_ | hmm, doeesn't seem to work for me, but maybe I'm missing something. |
| 08:34.37 | p0g0__ | faheem_: I think that was for me & thanks |
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| 08:36.31 | Blackhold | hello |
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| 08:36.46 | Blackhold | using update-manager it closes before it opens |
| 08:36.59 | dekar | tenzind, I don't think so |
| 08:37.03 | Blackhold | I tried to run update-manager through console and appeared me an error |
| 08:37.41 | Blackhold | http://rafb.net/p/6rzbdG61.html |
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| 08:39.18 | tenzind | dekar, my dhcp keeps giving me the same ip and it looks like someone in the network is already using that ip, assigned statically ... :( |
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| 08:40.11 | dekar | tenzind, then you might consider setting your's also statically ;) |
| 08:40.47 | tenzind | dekar, then i might transfer the problem to someone else .. :) |
| 08:41.04 | cast | hmm |
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| 08:41.31 | robert83a1 | hello I've got Debian 5.0 Lenny, install apt-get install build-essential module-assistant |
| 08:41.45 | mps31-ripe | thats why a dhcp address shoul not be in the same range as statics |
| 08:41.46 | dekar | tenzind, so ask your local administrator or sneak to the guy stealing your ip and plug his cable :D |
| 08:41.46 | robert83a1 | I did a module-assistant auto-install ipp2p-source |
| 08:42.00 | robert83a1 | and it fails with a error unable to find dh_cleaner... what is this ? |
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| 08:44.52 | dekar | tenzind, at our university network the gateway refuses to route you if your ip isn't given to you by dhcp, I really think your admin should change it to something like that |
| 08:45.48 | tenzind | dekar, yeah.. i think i should ask my admin to set things up like that ... |
| 08:47.31 | robert83a1 | think I found dh-make |
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| 08:56.02 | SPF | usb_interrupt_write is returning -2, what does that mean? |
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| 09:00.07 | mps31-ripe | SPF: away from my browser, but it may be that the q is full |
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| 09:09.48 | harobed | hi, do you know a command/tools to found all file updated since a date on ext3 ? |
| 09:09.59 | harobed | more speeder than find ? |
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| 09:18.36 | Skaarj | hi |
| 09:18.40 | Skaarj | i have to compile packages myself so ill run apt-get build-dep <p-name> .... apt-get --compile source <p-name> ... |
| 09:18.44 | Skaarj | sometimes he creates more than one *.deb-file so my shell-script dont know which to install with dpgk -i |
| 09:18.50 | Skaarj | is there a way to ask apt which one it would install wehn writing apt-get install <p-name> |
| 09:18.53 | Skaarj | ? |
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| 09:22.26 | Hal9000 | how was that metapackage called that installs C compilers etc? |
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| 09:22.54 | Skaarj | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.57 | Eulex | !b-e Hal9000 |
| 09:22.57 | dpkg | Hal9000: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 09:23.04 | Hal9000 | thanks |
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| 09:34.13 | pbn | HI there, I've moved my swap partition, and at boot Debian complains it can't recover from the swap partition. How do I disable this ? Thank you... |
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| 09:34.56 | valdyn | pbn: why does it bother you? |
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| 09:35.22 | valdyn | pbn: dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp |
| 09:36.00 | pbn | valdyn: well at boot time it asks you to press ENTER, so you can't do an unatteded boot |
| 09:36.03 | pbn | valdyn: thank you |
| 09:36.06 | cygnus | i thought uswsusp was random leters :) |
| 09:36.28 | khaije1 | userspace software suspend |
| 09:36.39 | pbn | ...uswusp isn't installed |
| 09:36.48 | khaije1 | tla ftw |
| 09:36.57 | pbn | it complains in some "bottom-script" or something like that |
| 09:36.58 | valdyn | pbn: you need to type the name correctly |
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| 09:37.37 | valdyn | youre on an iphone? i dont know anything else that has no cut&paste ;) |
| 09:38.05 | multi_io | iptables issue: I don't understand the relationship between /lib/modules/<kernelversion>/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_XXX.ko and /lib/iptables/libipt_XXX.so |
| 09:38.12 | multi_io | what is the latter? |
| 09:38.21 | multi_io | why is it needed? |
| 09:38.23 | valdyn | ukatan: one is a kernel module that implements the functionality |
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| 09:38.53 | valdyn | ukatan: and the 2nd is a module for the iptables command to implement the capability to configure it |
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| 09:39.32 | valdyn | and why do i talk to the wrong person |
| 09:39.35 | valdyn | multi_io: ^^^ |
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| 09:41.22 | valdyn | Skaarj: the debs are in the debian directory, maybe the control file |
| 09:41.23 | multi_io | valdyn: thanks |
| 09:41.36 | _bozo | hi. it's possible to change fsb on eeepc ? |
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| 09:41.53 | valdyn | _bozo: if the eeepc bios lets you do that |
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| 09:41.57 | pbn | valdyn: yes, uswsusp, not uswusp, sorry it's too early :) |
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| 09:43.16 | robert83a1 | hello, I've got Debian Etch, installed using module-assistant auto-install ipp2p-source , succesfully, no errors, restarted, lsmod | grep ipp2p nothing , I tryied to manualy install ipp2p module from /lib/modules.../ but says insmod: error inserting 'ipt_ipp2p.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 09:43.28 | robert83a1 | any ideas? |
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| 09:44.06 | valdyn | robert83a1: dont use insmod, use modprobe |
| 09:44.23 | Skaarj | valdyn: yes i know theyre there ,my prolem is : when i write apt-get install links it just installs 'links_2.something.deb' ... but when i write apt-get source links |
| 09:44.30 | _bozo | i would say UNDERCLOCKING (133 to 100mhz) i've found this but i want the reverse http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:overclockfsb |
| 09:44.45 | Skaarj | then its creats 4 de-files 'links_2...' 'links2_2...' 'links-ssl' |
| 09:45.04 | robert83a1 | valdyn : FATAL: Module ipt_ipp2p.ko not found. |
| 09:45.06 | Skaarj | and i need a way to find out which is the one which apt-get install would use |
| 09:45.09 | robert83a1 | now this is really strange |
| 09:45.45 | maligor | _bozo, I imagine it'll work the same in reverse, but not really a debian topic that |
| 09:45.46 | robert83a1 | without ko |
| 09:45.56 | robert83a1 | modprobe ipt_ipp2p worked... no errors |
| 09:46.05 | robert83a1 | lsmod shows x_tables used by ipp2p |
| 09:46.07 | robert83a1 | so now it's ok? |
| 09:46.29 | valdyn | Skaarj: trick, they might depend on each other |
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| 09:46.39 | valdyn | Skaarj: *tricky*, they might depend on each other |
| 09:47.01 | valdyn | robert83a1: you have to use it to see it working |
| 09:47.12 | valdyn | robert83a1: obviously |
| 09:47.21 | Skaarj | not, i tryed already ... by looking i know which is the right one .. but shell-scripts cant look |
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| 09:47.48 | valdyn | Skaarj: deb files follow a name policy |
| 09:48.01 | valdyn | Skaarj: a package called links will be named links_* |
| 09:48.12 | valdyn | Skaarj: a package not called links cant start like that |
| 09:48.13 | robert83a1 | valdyn : iptables is not seeing it, but dunno why, I think I will start again using another guide |
| 09:48.27 | robert83a1 | valdyn : iptables says couldnt load match 'ipp2p' |
| 09:48.33 | valdyn | robert83a1: iptables needs its own module |
| 09:48.52 | robert83a1 | oh damn |
| 09:48.55 | robert83a1 | libipt... |
| 09:48.56 | valdyn | robert83a1: ipp2p is 2 parts, one kernel module and one component for the iptables command |
| 09:49.02 | robert83a1 | forgot the iptables module |
| 09:49.04 | robert83a1 | thank you |
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| 09:50.59 | Skaarj | ok so i have to parse the whole dir with awk and grep |
| 09:52.17 | robert83a1 | valdyn : I found /lib/iptables/libipt_ipp2p.so , do I need to somehow tell iptables to reload it's modules? |
| 09:54.28 | valdyn | Skaarj: so if you did apt-get source links etc..., the links package will obviously start links_ |
| 09:54.28 | valdyn | Skaarj: hmm, but you are fighting against one of both being purely a transitional meta package |
| 09:54.28 | valdyn | robert83a1: whats the point? i dont think ipp2p gets torrent stuff anyway |
| 09:54.28 | valdyn | robert83a1: and does the remaining p2p stuff even matter anymore? |
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| 09:55.30 | robert83a1 | valdyn : to block p2p |
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| 10:00.10 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 10:00.11 | judd | streuner: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.7-18 sid: 2.9-4 |
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| 10:05.40 | empiric1 | hi all i want to colculate my HP Prolient DL365 machine power consumption any idea? |
| 10:05.44 | empiric1 | how to calculate |
| 10:06.05 | CaT[t3] | buy a wattmeter doohickey and plug it in :) |
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| 10:16.26 | empiric1 | Cat[t3] am serious |
| 10:16.32 | empiric1 | i have to buy CPU |
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| 10:17.00 | heble | hi.. i wanna open a port for bittorrent client.. i opened it on my modem menu (NAT tcp/udp) but its still closed.. then i try it on with the iptables.. and its still closed again |
| 10:17.05 | heble | what can i do ? |
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| 10:24.58 | urkud | Hi! What are debian/*.installgen files? |
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| 10:29.49 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 10:30.39 | gypsymauro | there is a tool to keep an inventory of my hardware? (various SO and with information about installed software/hardware?) |
| 10:31.01 | rgr | ,nvidia oneliner |
| 10:31.25 | rgr | which is the oneliner trigger for nvidia? |
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| 10:42.04 | MatBoy | it seems difficult to log to a fifo file... are there some issues with this kind of logging ? |
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| 10:46.59 | valdyn | MatBoy: whats the point? |
| 10:47.07 | valdyn | MatBoy: why would there be issues? |
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| 10:47.31 | steven_ | hi using iptables if a DNAT rule matches and is applied, does iptables then carry on looking for new matching DNAT rules or does only the first one apply ? |
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| 10:50.28 | MatBoy | valdyn: 'the fifo file is not filled |
| 10:51.01 | valdyn | MatBoy: filled by what? |
| 10:51.07 | valdyn | MatBoy: emptied by what? |
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| 10:51.33 | MatBoy | valdyn: by the logfile entry that I set in syslogd.conf |
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| 10:51.37 | MatBoy | like this: postfix.* |/var/log/mail.fifo |
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| 10:53.23 | valdyn | 11:51 < valdyn> MatBoy: emptied by what? |
| 10:55.04 | MatBoy | valdyn: there arfe nog log lines added that I specify.. so it's not emptied |
| 10:55.13 | valdyn | MatBoy: read by what? |
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| 10:55.53 | schweizer | hi folks |
| 10:55.56 | pflanze | Hello. What's the name of the package archives (the server(s) which contain outdated versions)? |
| 10:56.06 | pflanze | Can't find them in google right now.. |
| 10:56.40 | schweizer | i have a python package that is already debianized. does that mean i can easily create a deb-package from that, and if yes, how? |
| 10:56.44 | Aron | Hi everyone, I've got a server running on the web and one local, behind a firewall. I want to make my local server accessable through SSH for my webserver through portforwarding, but when I try to log from web-->local I get "Name or service not known". Any ideas? |
| 10:57.10 | valdyn | MatBoy: what is reading the fifo? |
| 10:57.27 | pflanze | finds http://snapshot.debian.net/ from a Debian news message |
| 10:58.43 | MatBoy | valdyn: reading ? nothing yet.. I try to log lines into it |
| 10:58.50 | pflanze | Aron: sounds like a domain name lookup failure? |
| 10:58.54 | MatBoy | it's not filled with anything |
| 10:58.57 | valdyn | MatBoy: how the hell do you want to know that nothing is written to it |
| 10:59.01 | valdyn | MatBoy: if you dont read it |
| 10:59.08 | MatBoy | valdyn: by tailing it ? |
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| 10:59.19 | valdyn | MatBoy: so you are reading it with tail, duh |
| 10:59.35 | MatBoy | yes... man, if I say it;s not filled, why should I ask ? |
| 10:59.36 | MatBoy | ;) |
| 10:59.37 | MatBoy | LOL |
| 10:59.50 | valdyn | MatBoy: because fifo logging works perfectly fine |
| 11:00.00 | valdyn | MatBoy: and you are doing one silly mistake that i havent found yet |
| 11:00.02 | MatBoy | yes, but a line like: (11:56) < MatBoy> it's not filled with anything |
| 11:00.04 | MatBoy | oops |
| 11:00.06 | Aron | pflanze: I think it has something to do with the fact that I use a custom port because of forwarding |
| 11:00.21 | MatBoy | like this: postfix.* |/var/log/mail.fifo doesn't work |
| 11:00.21 | Aron | But I feel like adding the port to /etc/services is just lame |
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| 11:01.33 | pflanze | Aron: nah, nothing to do with the services file. There is the issue that ssh with the -p or -P port flag will croak about changed server keys if you log into the same ip on different ports, |
| 11:01.37 | valdyn | MatBoy: postfix is not a syslog facility |
| 11:01.43 | pflanze | Aron: but your message sounds like something else. |
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| 11:02.58 | Aron | pflanze: I just fixed it... stupid me. Tried connecting to <ip>:8000 instead of using the -p flag |
| 11:03.03 | Aron | Thanks for your help :) |
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| 11:03.57 | AcTiVaTe | I do that regularly, since it does take user@host I mix it up with HTML syntax hehe |
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| 11:07.29 | Agiofws | hello can someone tell me how to add a signature in mutt OR sendmail when i send an email ? |
| 11:08.02 | petemc | you can call an app like signify |
| 11:09.15 | petemc | with mutt, thats something like set signature=... in .muttrcv |
| 11:09.20 | petemc | s/cv/c/ |
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| 11:13.08 | robert83a1 | hello, under Lenny I did a apt-get source iptables, where did it unpack iptables-source? |
| 11:13.19 | valdyn | robert83a1: $PWD |
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| 11:15.36 | robert83a1 | valdyn : I cannot locate it on the machine... |
| 11:15.36 | robert83a1 | one would expect it to be under /usr/src... |
| 11:15.36 | AcTiVaTe | robert83a1ж It unpacked where you issued the command |
| 11:15.41 | robert83a1 | OH |
| 11:15.43 | robert83a1 | dang |
| 11:15.51 | AcTiVaTe | That's what $PWD is |
| 11:15.57 | AcTiVaTe | just run 'pwd' to find out |
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| 11:16.43 | robert83a1 | got it thank you |
| 11:17.07 | AcTiVaTe | :P |
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| 11:37.14 | Aron | Question: is it possible to execute an entire code block from within a bash script through SSH? |
| 11:37.27 | MatBoy | valdyn: mail.* than ? |
| 11:37.39 | petemc | Aron: do what? |
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| 11:38.12 | Aron | checking for existing directory structures, adding/removing new directories when needed and rsyncing data to them |
| 11:38.14 | Aron | writing a backup script |
| 11:38.37 | petemc | you mean is it possible to execute a bash script whilst logged in over ssh? |
| 11:38.43 | petemc | if so, yes.. |
| 11:39.23 | Aron | petemc: partially, yeah. Perfect solution would be having a script locally that does some init stuff, then connects to a remote server and executes a code block from within the bash script, then logs out and does some roundup stuff locally |
| 11:39.38 | petemc | Aron: thats possible too |
| 11:39.50 | petemc | i have a perl script that does similar when creating accounts |
| 11:40.17 | Aron | petemc: I have searched for it but failed to find a good solution. Do you have any pointers? |
| 11:40.34 | petemc | system("ssh host chown mail:mail /var/spool/maildir/$name"); # || die "Cannot set remote permissions\n"; |
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| 11:41.05 | petemc | Aron: you use ssh keys to automate logging in, then prepend the commands you want executed |
| 11:41.11 | jelly | petemc: nice comment there :-) |
| 11:41.11 | petemc | ssh host stuff |
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| 11:41.30 | petemc | jelly: as long as i know what it is :) |
| 11:41.38 | Aron | petemc: Doing that right now, but it it seems somewhat limited |
| 11:42.12 | Aron | Or at least somewhat hard to manage. It would be great if I'd be able to write for loops that execute remotely |
| 11:42.16 | morfol | anyone knows, if there is an item to plug a scsi u320 to an u160 controler? |
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| 11:42.30 | jelly | Aron: so write them on the remote host |
| 11:42.37 | petemc | Aron: if you have a script on the remote host, you could executre that |
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| 11:42.52 | Aron | I know, but I want to have everything on one server |
| 11:43.00 | petemc | unlucky, then |
| 11:43.45 | buffoon_work | Aron, in case you can scp the script to the server and execute it, then you have everything on the server... |
| 11:43.46 | Aron | argh |
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| 11:44.59 | buffoon_work | Aron, like: scp script user@host:/tmp/bkp-script.sh ; ssh root@host sh /tmp/bkp-script.sh |
| 11:45.02 | Aron | The main problem I am having now is that I cycle through about 30 dirs using a for loop at the moment, checking if they exist using if [ -d] |
| 11:45.11 | Aron | Any chance to doing that remotely from a local bash script? |
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| 11:45.34 | Aron | buffoon_work: thanks for the tip, I guess that's an option too |
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| 11:45.48 | Aron | Still would be nice to have everything 100% central, though :) |
| 11:45.53 | themill | ssh host bash < ./myscript |
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| 11:46.40 | Aron | themill: Yeah, that'd work too probably. I guess there is no way avoiding seperating my script into multiple files |
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| 11:47.24 | buffoon_work | that would be the easiest solution i guess |
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| 11:48.11 | nascentmind | hi. I am behind a NAT. What happens if I ping to the external IP of my connection? Isn't it the same as pinging to the local host? |
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| 11:49.16 | jazzcat | hi. has anyone had an error with opencv libraries when upgrading ? |
| 11:51.34 | nascentmind | anybody? |
| 11:52.27 | peleg | I am trying to do the same trick with "when" as I did with irssi - install it in my home folder. for irssi, I have configured it with a proper parameter. I can't do ./configure at all for "when", so I don't know how to do it. |
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| 11:53.00 | peleg | Or: maybe you know of another terminal-based calendar that I can install in my home folder? I am looking for something quite simple... |
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| 11:53.31 | peleg | oh, forget it, sorry. not relevant any more. |
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| 11:56.56 | osfd_ | Hi. I have a firefox 3.something in a debian lenny, working great. Nonetheless the font used by the frontend is quite ugly and does not make firefox convenient to use (too big). Can I change the FE font ? please |
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| 12:05.41 | Roksteady | guys, I'm looking for debian equivalents of what I'm more used to: redhat stuff... invoke-rc.d == service, update-rc.d == chkconfig --add, but what about chkconfig --list? :) |
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| 12:06.39 | Eulex | Roksteady, what does it do? |
| 12:07.03 | petemc | ls -la /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 12:07.13 | Roksteady | Eulex: lists services (either all or a specific one) and whether they're set to RUN or not in all runlevels |
| 12:07.29 | petemc | ls -la /etc/rc?.d/ |
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| 12:08.20 | Roksteady | petemc: right, like that gives a good overview... |
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| 12:08.31 | Roksteady | if there isn't a built-in, say so |
| 12:08.35 | petemc | Roksteady: there are various apps for viewing and managing startup scripts, i cant recall the names off the top of my head tho |
| 12:08.48 | Roksteady | petemc: yeah i found a few, but so far only GUIs |
| 12:08.57 | Roksteady | and i'm only interested in CLI |
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| 12:09.45 | michael_ | is there any easy way to find out which process that is doing I/O on the harddrive most of the time? Something like top, but with IO instead of CPU? |
| 12:09.48 | Roksteady | well, thanks anyway, guess it confirms that there isn't such an alternative |
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| 12:10.04 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.23 | Eulex | Roksteady, I think an alternative is rcconf, I'm installing it right now to take a look at it. also, did you know that chkconfig is in debian? :) |
| 12:10.38 | Roksteady | i'll check it outiotop |
| 12:10.45 | Roksteady | Eulex: yeah it's in some extra repo, i've seen that |
| 12:10.45 | craigevil | rcconf or sysv-rc-conf |
| 12:11.05 | Eulex | Roksteady, uh? it's in main |
| 12:11.27 | Roksteady | really? not on my debian |
| 12:11.38 | Eulex | it may not be installed by default, no |
| 12:11.51 | Roksteady | apt-cache search chkconfig doesn't reveal it |
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| 12:12.15 | Roksteady | let me see if it's our internal proxy that's fubar |
| 12:12.17 | Eulex | Roksteady, are you on lenny or newer? |
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| 12:12.39 | Roksteady | etch actually |
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| 12:12.59 | Eulex | Roksteady, it wasn't in etch. |
| 12:13.08 | Roksteady | ok, thanks :) |
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| 12:13.25 | Roksteady | so I guess the debian folks were missing it :) it's a handy tool |
| 12:13.36 | Eulex | sysv-rc-conf looks really neat |
| 12:13.51 | Roksteady | Eulex: rcconf as well |
| 12:14.36 | Roksteady | sucks at debian |
| 12:14.36 | dergringo | Hi. Is the mediawiki package maintained on Etch. Because the guys over at #mediawiki told me that there have been many security updates and changes on mediawiki since 1.7. Now I wonder if I can trust the package to be secure? |
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| 12:14.47 | Roksteady | eulex: 9 years of Redhat, sorry for grasping :) |
| 12:15.00 | superjet_busy | Roksteady: just forget it as sysv-rc-conf is more close to debian way |
| 12:15.02 | Roksteady | or well, 6 years professionally |
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| 12:16.19 | Eulex | dergringo, debian backports security fixes, and etch still has security support |
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| 12:16.56 | dergringo | Eulex, ok thanks. |
| 12:18.11 | CiMaRRoN | buenos dias, estoy intentando instalar compiz-fusion, sin tener mucha suerte, he buscado como hacerlo en google, pero todos te dicen q lo hagas de distintas maneras, yo ya no se q hacer :S |
| 12:18.17 | Eulex | !es |
| 12:18.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 12:20.22 | superjet_busy | how to rebind workspace shortcut in xfce4 under lenny? I can't find value thing in keyboard setting from mcs |
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| 12:21.56 | Eulex | superjet_busy, take a look in the wm settings |
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| 12:24.18 | superjet_busy | Eulex: just can't find something, after google or create new shortcut just find only few items in it, without similar things like to icewm or fvwm. |
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| 12:25.10 | Eulex | superjet_busy, the window manager settings dialog has a keyboard tab, where you can rebind for example the workspace shortcuts |
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| 12:25.48 | superjet_busy | Eulex: no, just less than 10 items or so |
| 12:25.50 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 12:27.24 | Fox_1_ | people I have connected to remote server via VPN (vpnc). I can connect to servers via ssh, but under that I couldn't open mc or open big file in vim. MTU:1456. What can be the problem? |
| 12:27.30 | Eulex | superjet_busy, uh, sorry? |
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| 12:27.55 | Fox_1_ | also scp doesn't work :( |
| 12:28.21 | Fox_1_ | stalled |
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| 12:29.46 | superjet_busy | Eulex: there are no workspace shortcut key in default setting and I don't know the name of the command, so ..., have it asked in #xfce now, hope to find something... |
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| 12:30.45 | Eulex | superjet_busy, are you _really_ looking in the window manager settings dialog? |
| 12:30.54 | Eulex | and not the keyboard settings dialog? |
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| 12:32.18 | superjet_busy | Eulex: yes, i've look for it since long time ago in everything |
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| 12:32.54 | Eulex | superjet_busy, what shortcuts can you see defined in the place where you're looking? |
| 12:34.15 | superjet_busy | Eulex: Alt-F1 -> help , Alt-F4 close and some about 5~6 other items |
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| 12:34.55 | Eulex | superjet_busy, uh, can you give us a screenshot? |
| 12:36.32 | Eulex | (because alt-f1 is supposed to be in the keyboard settings, while alt-f4 is supposed to be in the window manager settings, not in the same dialog) |
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| 12:37.09 | superjet_busy | Eulex: sorry, the box not here now, I can show you later if you are still here that time :) |
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| 12:38.16 | spaztik | hi. Does anyone know if there's a cli client for nessus that doesn't require that X be installed? |
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| 12:39.57 | superjet_busy | Eulex: I've read something like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=628206 just can't find where to go |
| 12:40.11 | Eulex | superjet_busy, when you get the box again, the settings you look for will be in the _window manager_ settings. |
| 12:40.23 | superjet_busy | Eulex: sure |
| 12:40.56 | Eulex | and the advice that mali2297 gave was correct |
| 12:41.57 | superjet_busy | yes, though there is no workspace switch command name |
| 12:42.11 | peleg | Trying to build a program (named palcal), i get "rl.h:24:31: error: readline/readline.h: No such file or directory" after trying "make". What can the problem be? Is it a problem with their distribution? |
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| 12:42.32 | Superbartt | peleg you are missing the readline (devel) packages, install them using aptitude |
| 12:42.48 | Eulex | superjet_busy, you said that you did not have the box in front of you. are you saying this right out of your memory? |
| 12:43.01 | peleg | Superbartt: I can't. Any workaround? |
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| 12:43.17 | Superbartt | how do you mean you can't? |
| 12:43.34 | peleg | Superbartt: I am not an admin; it's a university server |
| 12:44.24 | Superbartt | then poke a server to do it for you |
| 12:44.32 | superjet_busy | Eulex: no, I've tried it about few hours ago |
| 12:44.35 | peleg | hmm? |
| 12:44.55 | Superbartt | it could be alittle bit possible to compile readline yourself, but that would require alot of knowledge of library path's, compile options, etc :p |
| 12:45.16 | peleg | I see... |
| 12:45.28 | Eulex | superjet_busy, I'm almost sure you were looking in the keyboard settings and not the window manager settings, when you get the box again, take another look. |
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| 12:45.38 | peleg | How come I can ping yogiley.org but I can't ssh it (it says ssh: yogiely.org: Name or service not known) |
| 12:45.54 | javier_ | hello |
| 12:46.12 | superjet_busy | Eulex: ok, will try it and thanks very much :) |
| 12:46.50 | abrotman | peleg: different host lookup applications? |
| 12:47.09 | peleg | abrotman: how can I check that, or override that? |
| 12:47.15 | javier_ | i have just installed debian 5.0 which has detected my screen resolution incorrectly |
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| 12:47.19 | abrotman | try a few like host/nslookup/dig |
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| 12:47.45 | peleg | abrotman: thanks. |
| 12:48.01 | javier_ | how can change my screen resolution? My xorg is empty.. kind of |
| 12:48.25 | javier_ | !help |
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| 12:49.13 | superjet_busy | javier_: have installed correct video driver? |
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| 12:51.33 | javier_ | superjet_busy: well, my xorg is empty... almost. xrandr says that im using 1280x1024 |
| 12:52.07 | superjet_busy | javier_: nvidia ati or intel? |
| 12:52.21 | javier_ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't ask you about your screen resolution |
| 12:52.26 | javier_ | superjet_busy: intel |
| 12:52.51 | abrotman | what resolution do you want? |
| 12:52.59 | superjet_busy | javier_: yes, xorg.conf much shrink now |
| 12:53.00 | javier_ | 1024x768 |
| 12:53.10 | abrotman | javier_: so xrandr only lists one mode? |
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| 12:54.05 | javier_ | abrotman: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 1280 x 1024 |
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| 12:54.24 | abrotman | javier_: it doesn't list other modes? |
| 12:54.44 | javier_ | abrotman: yes it does |
| 12:55.01 | abrotman | so use it to set a new mode |
| 12:55.10 | abrotman | if oyu're using gnome/kde .. should have an applet to do that |
| 12:55.31 | javier_ | superjet_busy: it is strange for me since most distributions don't come with this half empty xorg |
| 12:55.36 | abrotman | man xrandr probably has a bunch of bits you'd like to read |
| 12:55.49 | abrotman | javier_: lenny and new Xorgs will autoprobe what they think are the best settings |
| 12:55.56 | javier_ | abrotman: it doesn't let me change it |
| 12:56.18 | abrotman | xrandr --mode 1024x768 .. does nothing ? |
| 12:56.23 | javier_ | Size 1024x768 not found in available modes |
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| 12:56.47 | abrotman | javier_: put the output of 'xrandr' in paste.debian.net |
| 12:56.48 | javier_ | abrotman: you mean --size no? |
| 12:56.49 | superjet_busy | javier_: Ctrl-Alt-+ can't change mode? |
| 12:57.10 | abrotman | it's --mode AFAIK |
| 12:57.25 | javier_ | well i have to say that im running debian on a virtual machine |
| 12:57.27 | javier_ | virtualbox |
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| 12:59.15 | javier_ | http://paste.debian.net/30145/ |
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| 12:59.31 | javier_ | abrotman: there it is |
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| 13:00.32 | javier_ | superjet_busy: yes, th virtual terminals are smaller |
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| 13:00.38 | javier_ | 800x600 |
| 13:00.55 | javier_ | i have to go |
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| 13:03.19 | superjet_busy | javier_: maybe you should write xorg.conf or boot it with live cd to borrow its xorg.conf, like debian live, then to choose desired mode |
| 13:04.11 | superjet_busy | javier_: and leave xorg's autodetection alone |
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| 13:07.27 | pngwn | P |
| 13:08.11 | vara2009 | ;} |
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| 13:11.56 | ser | i have locally a package "package.deb". i want to install it, but i need to install its dependiencies as well. hwo to to do it? |
| 13:12.19 | Deepa^bum | apt-get? |
| 13:12.26 | cire | Does anybody use ldap for kontact adresses? I wonder how to setup it correctly... |
| 13:12.36 | ser | apt-get what? |
| 13:12.42 | petemc | ser: gdebi or dpkg -i package, then aptitude -f to install deps |
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| 13:13.15 | ser | petemc: so i need to dpkg --force? |
| 13:13.36 | petemc | ser: no, the initial dpkg -i will fail, you'll run it again after aptitude -f |
| 13:14.33 | ser | ok, i am trying |
| 13:14.34 | petemc | its something like that anyway... |
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| 13:18.53 | Kurt_Godel | hello folks |
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| 13:21.13 | Kurt_Godel | I've a mac book pro with broadcom 4328 chipset inside wireless card; I've extracted driver from bootcamp and I used ndiswrapper..but ndiwrapper give me no error message but by typing iwconfig there is no interface on the system. could anyone help me? |
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| 13:22.00 | ser | petemc: OK, you were right, dpgk -i, then apt-get install -f |
| 13:22.07 | ser | petemc: thanks! |
| 13:23.35 | petemc | np |
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| 13:25.56 | keith4 | Kurt_Godel: do you know how to use ndiswrapper? or are you asking how to use it? |
| 13:26.47 | Kurt_Godel | I know how to use it |
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| 13:28.33 | Kurt_Godel | I've followed instructions: ndiswrapper -i module.inf then ndiswrapper -l then ndiswrapper -m then modeprobe ndiswrapper and at this point I've no error but no network interface in iwconfig |
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| 13:30.03 | Kurt_Godel | brb in 30 ,mins. |
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| 13:42.15 | cusco | what is the support channel for debian installer? |
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| 13:44.27 | cusco | is it here? |
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| 13:45.24 | arvind_khadri | !installer |
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| 13:46.42 | cusco | seems that everybody is out to lucn |
| 13:46.44 | cusco | lunch |
| 13:46.45 | cusco | :p |
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| 13:47.55 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.04 | jelly | cusco: just ask your question, eventually someone will come and see it. The exact installer channel is #debian-boot, on irc.debian.org |
| 13:48.05 | adb | on oftc |
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| 13:49.09 | cusco | right I will state my problem in both |
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| 13:50.21 | cusco | my problem is that I managed to boot debian installer from a usb drive... but it will always fail to mount cdrom (obviously) |
| 13:51.33 | cusco | even if I mount usb contents into /cdrom it still wants to detect and moutn cdrom - I can't load installer components |
| 13:52.06 | cusco | how can I overcome that small detail? |
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| 13:53.32 | jelly | how do I list all the packages providing an alternative for /usr/bin/locate? |
| 13:53.52 | cusco | dpkg -l |
| 13:53.52 | dpkg | cusco: i haven't a clue |
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| 13:54.06 | cusco | ah sorry |
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| 13:54.36 | jelly | "dpkg" the bot listens to all the lines starting with its name. |
| 13:54.50 | cusco | I meant sorry to you jelly |
| 13:55.04 | cusco | I miss understood your question |
| 13:55.05 | Aron | Hi everyone, I am using rsync -rlptvz --delete --hard-links --progress --numeric-ids for my backup script, but somehow, numeric id's are still not preserved |
| 13:55.16 | Aron | My backup script syncs a local backup to a remote server |
| 13:55.22 | Aron | Any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 13:55.22 | et | dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 13:55.23 | dpkg | removes a speen from et and replaces it with foo.deb |
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| 13:56.50 | jazzcat | hi. has anyone had an error with opencv libraries when upgrading ? |
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| 13:57.43 | jelly | Aron: interesting, which version of rsync on both sides? |
| 13:58.33 | cire | is there an ldap scheme for kaddressbook? |
| 13:58.46 | javier_ | superjet_busy: well, the debian live cd does the same thing... half-empty xorg |
| 13:58.51 | jelly | Aron: also, dumb questions first: is the destination filesystem POSIX compliant (does it really have unix uid/gid capability) and are you running as root? |
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| 13:59.16 | javier_ | superjet_busy: and i was wondering if theres another way to do it instead of writing my own xorg |
| 13:59.19 | javier_ | .conf |
| 13:59.25 | craigevil | javier_: what vid card? if its intel i can pastebin my xorg.conf for you |
| 13:59.41 | superjet_busy | javier_: ;-) |
| 13:59.46 | javier_ | craigevil: that would be great, ues it is an intel |
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| 13:59.54 | craigevil | !paste |
| 13:59.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 14:00.27 | jackweb | Hello! Is there an application in Debian's repository to compile C++ programs for Mac OS X? |
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| 14:00.37 | javier_ | is this a bug or is it me? i don't like half empty xorg.conf |
| 14:00.37 | Deepa^bum | jackweb: How bout gcc? |
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| 14:00.56 | inad922 | hello |
| 14:01.07 | craigevil | javier_: no the new xorg is supposed to be magic and just work :) > http://paste.debian.net/30147/ |
| 14:01.08 | ShredZ | jackweb, you mean compile a program to mac os x binary format from a non-mac debian installation ? |
| 14:01.25 | superjet_busy | javier_: maybe all the newer ones do simliar to debian/live, only older give more comprehensive conf |
| 14:01.34 | Aron | jelly: 3.0.3 on the receiving end, 2.6.9 on the sender |
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| 14:01.38 | jackweb | ShredZ: I would like for example to compile my program in Cpp for Mac OS X in Debian. |
| 14:01.53 | javier_ | i prefer comprehensive xorg.conf, so i can change them and see the options, etc |
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| 14:01.58 | javier_ | more power, no? |
| 14:02.00 | Aron | jelly: both systems are running debian and I am running as root, yeah |
| 14:02.12 | inad922 | Could someone tell me a way I can use meta/Win button as a group switch in xorg.conf? I would like something like alt_shift_toggle but with meta_l_toggle or something |
| 14:02.14 | jackweb | There is mingw32 for Windows so I am looking for sth for Mac OS X. |
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| 14:02.36 | Deepa^bum | mingw32 is a win32 port of gcc |
| 14:02.54 | jelly | Aron: hum. I don't have v3 (ie. lenny) in production anywhere, could it be possible it's buggy? |
| 14:03.00 | Deepa^bum | But since OS X is BSD in the bottom it doesn't need that kind of porting so GCC exists |
| 14:03.37 | Aron | jelly: weird, I am running stable... |
| 14:03.39 | jackweb | Deepa^bum: so can one compile programs from Debian for Mac? |
| 14:03.49 | Aron | but it's on the receiving end though... |
| 14:04.01 | jelly | Aron: "stable" doesn't have to be "bugless" |
| 14:04.18 | Aron | True, strange thing is both are running stable. Let me check this out |
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| 14:05.37 | jelly | a stray rsync build of 2.6.9 hiding somewhere in the path |
| 14:06.24 | Deepa^bum | jackweb: read up on cross-compiling |
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| 14:07.54 | Aron | jelly: keeps getting stranger. I have an exact copy of sources.list on both servers, but my local server gets 3.0.3 while prod gets 2.6.9-etch2 |
| 14:08.13 | jelly | Aron: do you list "stable" in sources.list? |
| 14:08.20 | jackweb | Deepa^bum: ok, thanks. |
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| 14:08.25 | Aron | jelly: yeah |
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| 14:08.45 | Aron | jelly: oh nm... prod is still running etch so that figures |
| 14:08.50 | jelly | Aron: it could just mean the local one never had aptitude update run on it |
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| 14:09.29 | jelly | Aron: better s/stable/etch/g on that machine, unless you want SUPRISE UPGRADE to happen |
| 14:09.50 | Aron | jelly: yeah, figured :) |
| 14:10.09 | themill | Aron: also check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 14:10.25 | jelly | Aron: (I'd also recommend s/stable/lenny/ on the lenny machine, same reason but biting two years from now) |
| 14:12.09 | Hal9000 | using the word "stable" "testing" or "unstable" should be forbidden in sources.list, really... distro names are much better, the others (except unstable) only create problems |
| 14:12.45 | jpinx | not really debian, but on lenny, what's the syntax to make rsync copy files to a destination and delete the source for those files that were successfully transferred? |
| 14:12.47 | jelly | Hal9000: testing and unstable are reasonable if you really want them |
| 14:13.05 | Hal9000 | why testing |
| 14:13.19 | Hal9000 | when theres a release, testing also changes |
| 14:13.26 | Hal9000 | well right... |
| 14:13.29 | Hal9000 | ok :) |
| 14:13.31 | jelly | I track testing. |
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| 14:13.58 | Hal9000 | still, it's really stupid to put stable in a sources.list |
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| 14:14.20 | jpinx | Hal9000: maybe for you - yes -- but other people work differently ;) |
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| 14:15.03 | jelly | Hal9000: I concur. |
| 14:15.20 | jelly | Hal9000: it was default before... etch. |
| 14:15.31 | jelly | maybe even before sarge |
| 14:15.44 | cusco | I agree regarding "stable" but I like to keep "testing" in my sources.list |
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| 14:18.57 | jelly | jpinx: um... check the exit status of rsync and delete everything if successful? :-) |
| 14:19.36 | jpinx | jelly - thanks - I found the option in man rsync --remove-source-file |
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| 14:21.03 | dennda | Some more recent versions of openssh allow chrooting a user (or a group of users). Does that approach *easily* allow granting that user permission to use binaries like wget or others that I did not copy into his chroot? (I want to chroot a user, but don't want to restrict access to scp/sftp only and don't want to copy binaries) |
| 14:22.00 | themill | jpinx: no, "stable" has no place in a sources.list since it now breaks machines. Pre-woody, it was probably OK, but these days it's a time bomb. Saying stable is OK is just like saying there's nothing wrong with "alias rm='rm -rf /'", you just have to remember to run it as /bin/rm every time. |
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| 14:23.45 | jelly | dennda: afaik the easy option only makes for an easy sftp, not an easy shell. |
| 14:23.49 | jpinx | themill: ok - point taken. personally I have always used distro names, so my experience of the potential calamities is limited |
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| 14:25.15 | jpinx | themill: but yes - I can see how putting stable in sources.list would be dangerous as a new release approaches |
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| 14:25.21 | themill | jpinx: there are many, and they seem to be getting worse from release to release as the system becomes more complex and more inter-dependent. "testing" and "unstable" have their place in a sources.list, but "stable" is asking for trouble. And man 5 sources.list should be changed.... |
| 14:25.46 | dennda | jelly: ok |
| 14:25.57 | tomodachi | but |
| 14:26.06 | tomodachi | your system isnt upgraded unless you do a dist-upgrade |
| 14:26.10 | dennda | jelly: So my best option is to grant access to /bin/bash without chroot and making sure that all files and folders have appropriate permissions? |
| 14:26.35 | themill | tomodachi: but if you do a regular "upgrade" then your system is potentially hosed. Or at least made a significant mess of. |
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| 14:26.54 | hase_n | Anyone know how to change the cron.daily run time in Debian 5.0? I modified /etc/crontab but no go. |
| 14:27.00 | jpinx | themill: sid is always sid, and testing's name is known as soon as a new stable is released, so it'd be clearer to remove all references to distros other than by name |
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| 14:27.08 | jelly | dennda: I don't think you've described your environment and requirements in enough detail for me to be able to offer an opinion of the "best" option. |
| 14:27.13 | hase_n | Specifically, I want to change the logrotate daily time. |
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| 14:27.41 | dennda | jelly: Sure, sorry. |
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| 14:28.13 | jelly | dennda: selinux might be an option for you; or a nice template for chrooted users, dunno |
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| 14:29.57 | hanns94_ | http://change.pennergame.de/change_please/9873361/ |
| 14:30.19 | tomaw | hanns94_: spamming those on freenode will get you banned from pennergame |
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| 14:30.47 | themill | ... and freenode, I hope... |
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| 14:31.03 | jelly | tomaw: you could make that present tense, too |
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| 14:31.53 | jelly | otoh pennergame has no joejob protection :-) |
| 14:33.17 | hase_n | Anyone, cron.daily support? |
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| 14:33.25 | ikonia | hase_n: what about it ? |
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| 14:33.43 | hase_n | How do I change the cron.daily run time in Debian 5.0? I modified /etc/crontab but no go. |
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| 14:34.10 | ikonia | hase_n: what did you mdofiy it to ? |
| 14:34.45 | ikonia | modify even |
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| 14:35.03 | hase_n | Changed what I assume is the relevant /etc/crontab line to : |
| 14:35.05 | dennda | Using dovecot and postfix with system users (no user database), all mails are stored in a users home directory. If I make the homedirectories only accessible by their respective owners by changing the folders permissions, will mails still be delivered properly? |
| 14:35.06 | hase_n | 02 1 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
| 14:35.42 | hase_n | Logrotate is in the /etc/cron.daily directory, which should be run by that line, right? |
| 14:36.16 | ikonia | hase_n: that means everything in the cron.daily directory will get run at 02:01 |
| 14:36.22 | hase_n | It always runs at 0800, I want it earlier. |
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| 14:36.46 | ikonia | hase_n: I'm not sure how it works in terms of working through the order of the directory |
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| 14:36.49 | hase_n | I've restarted the daemon, even rebooted the machine. It won't stop running at 0800. |
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| 14:37.01 | ikonia | hase_n: you could always put a manual line on in your crontab to run it at $x time |
| 14:37.12 | ikonia | hase_n: it may have to run through script1, then 2, then 3, then your script |
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| 14:37.22 | ikonia | hase_n: not sure how it deals with the order to be honest |
| 14:37.56 | hase_n | I don't think it's an order issue as it occurs reliably at 0800, no matter what time I have in /etc/crontab |
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| 14:38.48 | hase_n | I could run it manually from another crontab but for consistency, I should be able to keep all the configs consolidated and run at a time I specify. |
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| 14:45.18 | Aron | Hmm... I've got rsync 3.0.3 running on both my systems now but still can't seem to preserve ownership across systems |
| 14:45.23 | Aron | Is this even possible at all? |
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| 14:46.42 | valdyn | Aron: you dont need the rsync daemon for this |
| 14:46.54 | Aron | valdyn: ? |
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| 14:48.06 | valdyn | dennda: yes |
| 14:48.16 | themill | Aron: is the receiving rsync client running as root? |
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| 14:49.03 | Aron | themill: no, I am using the ssh through the -e parameter to login with another user without a password |
| 14:49.37 | themill | Aron: a regular user can't create files owned by other users; all files would end up being owned by the user you log in as. |
| 14:50.20 | Aron | themill: argh.. seems logical yeah... Logging in directly as root just seems dangerous to me though |
| 14:50.26 | Aron | I have it intentionally disabled at the moment |
| 14:50.34 | jpinx | Aron: you need to either rsync in as the user you want the files to be owned by, or as root and chown -R them later |
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| 14:51.18 | valdyn | he doesnt need to chown -R later if he logs in as root |
| 14:51.31 | jpinx | Aron: I vaguely remember another method or rsync-ing with sudo - but I'd need to find the details |
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| 14:52.04 | jpinx | valdyn: he does if he wants the files to be owned by a user rather than root |
| 14:52.57 | valdyn | jpinx: wrong |
| 14:53.06 | valdyn | jpinx: i just tried it just to be sure |
| 14:53.21 | themill | Aron: yeah. You perhaps want to use the "PermitRootLogin forced-commands-only" option to sshd and then tie the key for root to only coming from a particular IP address(range), disablling forwarding etc and with a command= line. |
| 14:53.22 | Aron | Hmm I guess the only workaround to avoid using direct logins is to set NOPASSWD in my sudoers... |
| 14:53.22 | Aron | ugh |
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| 14:53.49 | valdyn | Aron: root login is not particularily dangerous |
| 14:54.05 | Aron | valdyn: I like to keep it as closed as possible |
| 14:54.34 | valdyn | Aron: keeping things simple is what you want |
| 14:54.45 | valdyn | Aron: not makeing complex efforts to avoid root login |
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| 14:55.17 | Aron | valdyn: I'd rather spend some more time and have a solution I agree with 100% than losening my security because I just could not get it working otherwise :) |
| 14:55.21 | jpinx | Aron: I have found my notes on rsync with sudo - you want me to pastebin them? |
| 14:55.23 | Aron | It is simply not an option |
| 14:55.30 | cyta1 | the world, a joke |
| 14:55.38 | Aron | jpinx: please, I'm interested in it :) |
| 14:55.39 | valdyn | Aron: permitting root login does not loosen securityy |
| 14:55.46 | valdyn | Aron: passwordless sudo does this |
| 14:55.52 | dennda | valdyn: Why is that? Does the part of dovecot delivering the mail run as root? |
| 14:55.55 | Aron | valdyn: nontheless, it is not an option |
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| 14:56.18 | valdyn | dennda: as root or as the user getting the mail |
| 14:56.27 | valdyn | dennda: i dont know, id have to look |
| 14:56.36 | themill | Aron: if you are permitting root login only from specified hosts, only with a key and only allowing the login to run rsync, then that's much better than allowing a user to sudo when they could have logged in from anywhere |
| 14:56.37 | dennda | ok |
| 14:56.51 | Aron | themill: the forced-commands-only was new to me, thanks for that. I'll look into it |
| 14:56.52 | valdyn | dennda: your permission change is within debian defaults |
| 14:57.03 | valdyn | dennda: you just missed the debconf question asking that, probably |
| 14:57.10 | Aron | themill: yeah if I'd use the option I'd still setup some iptables rules for it |
| 14:57.16 | dennda | valdyn: So up to now you could read everyones home directory. I now want to change that. That shouldn't break anything then, should it? (not running strange stuff) |
| 14:57.29 | valdyn | dennda: it will not break debian stuff |
| 14:57.34 | dennda | ok |
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| 14:57.39 | valdyn | dennda: i cant talk for your custom stuff obviously |
| 14:57.44 | themill | Aron: that won't really help unless you'd be limiting ssh logins for all users; the iptables rules can't tell which user is trying to log in |
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| 14:57.50 | valdyn | dennda: dpkg-reconfigure adduser changes defaults for adduser iirc |
| 14:57.59 | dennda | valdyn: Sure. What's the command again to reconfigure home directories to be readable only by their owners? |
| 14:58.11 | dennda | hm that's for newly added users only, isn't it? |
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| 14:58.30 | valdyn | dennda: sure |
| 14:58.32 | jpinx | Aron: http://pastebin.com/m7bad2424 |
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| 14:59.04 | jpinx | Aron: hope you can make sense of the way I write notes to myself ;) |
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| 14:59.44 | dennda | valdyn: So in order to have such restricted home directories for already existing users, I just need to chown the /home/* folders (non-recursively), correct? |
| 14:59.47 | valdyn | dennda: chmod -R o-rwx /home/username ( that gets a little more that just r obviously ) |
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| 15:00.47 | valdyn | dennda: probably, i cant remember |
| 15:01.31 | dennda | Thanks |
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| 15:03.01 | Aron | jpinx: thanks, looking into it now |
| 15:03.04 | jpinx | Aron: also of possible use to you is an entry in sudoers to allow no password for certain commands like this: user ALL=PASSWD: ALL, NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/rsync |
| 15:03.06 | pred2k3 | hi, what tools do I need to make my server an x client? |
| 15:03.52 | valdyn | with the tiny drawback that rsync being runnable as root equals handing out a complete root acount |
| 15:04.06 | valdyn | jpinx: ^^ |
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| 15:05.01 | jelly | naturally, one can also restrict the arguments and not paste the whole overly long example |
| 15:05.02 | themill | jpinx: rsync ~/malware/bash-trojan /bin/bash .... I hope you trust all your local users. |
| 15:05.24 | jpinx | valdyn: agreed - but rsync can be made to run as a specific user only |
| 15:05.38 | valdyn | jpinx: alright, just not what Aron needs |
| 15:06.35 | jpinx | scrolls back to read the original question |
| 15:06.48 | valdyn | jpinx: he needs rsync to run as root |
| 15:07.45 | valdyn | jpinx: and hes trying to do that in a complicated way, instead of just setting up a key auth only root login |
| 15:07.50 | nsadmin | what's the application here for rsync as root? |
| 15:07.54 | jpinx | valdyn: he's trying to preserve permissions - if I read the original question correctly |
| 15:07.57 | valdyn | nsadmin: chown |
| 15:08.11 | nsadmin | oh, he's restoring? |
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| 15:08.27 | valdyn | jpinx: hes trying to preserve permissions for files that are not owned by that transferring user |
| 15:08.54 | nsadmin | for a mirror you dont' have to run as root, correct? |
| 15:08.57 | jpinx | valdyn: ach - that's just not allowed ! |
| 15:09.06 | valdyn | nsadmin: only root can chown |
| 15:09.16 | nsadmin | that part I know... |
| 15:09.33 | valdyn | nsadmin: i wouldnt know if he only thinks he needs chown but does not |
| 15:09.40 | nsadmin | and chgrp too? |
| 15:09.44 | jpinx | anyway - I'm glad I had to dig through my notes - I found something else useful ;) |
| 15:09.51 | themill | nsadmin: yes |
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| 15:10.19 | nkuttler | or chown user:group |
| 15:10.27 | nsadmin | valdyn: oh ok, gotcha |
| 15:10.39 | jpinx | valdyn: user can chown files owned by himself - no? |
| 15:10.46 | nsadmin | NO |
| 15:10.49 | valdyn | jpinx: no |
| 15:10.53 | nsadmin | can NOT chown at all. |
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| 15:11.48 | nsadmin | think: if a user owns a file and is granted chown just because of that, then he can chown to root |
| 15:11.55 | nsadmin | pwned. |
| 15:12.00 | jpinx | ok |
| 15:12.34 | nsadmin | perhaps the opposite is less damaging, user does not own a file, then chowns it to himself |
| 15:12.47 | nkuttler | chown me /etc/passwd |
| 15:13.11 | nsadmin | oh, ok, pwned again: now you can blank root passwd |
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| 15:14.44 | jelly | is there an actual problem to solve...? |
| 15:14.55 | valdyn | jelly: no |
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| 15:15.07 | jelly | all right, carry on then |
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| 15:15.24 | nsadmin | if you're paddling down the railroad tracks backwards in your canoe and your wheels fall off, how many pancakes does it take to shingle a dog house? |
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| 15:17.23 | nsadmin | jpinx: as you can see, the permission system is somewhat fragile... but this was thought out |
| 15:17.45 | leOn | hmm.. is archive.debian.org down for good? |
| 15:17.57 | jpinx | sure - I appreciate the subtleties - even if they need to be worked around sometimes |
| 15:18.38 | nsadmin | leOn: It works! |
| 15:19.18 | leOn | all i get is the "It works!" apache welcome page |
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| 15:19.46 | valdyn | leOn: you really are seeing localhost? |
| 15:20.09 | nsadmin | leon, http://archive.debian.org/debian/ |
| 15:20.28 | nsadmin | valdyn: I'm seeing that message as well |
| 15:20.30 | ragsagar | i installed debian today, but when trying to open directories in nautilus it is opening it in new nautilus window, I want to open it in the same window! |
| 15:20.53 | valdyn | nsadmin: ip addresss 194.109.137.218 |
| 15:21.10 | leOn | that was weird ... that was the URL i tried on the first place and all i got was a 404 not found |
| 15:21.14 | jelly | nsadmin: american or european pancakes? |
| 15:21.17 | leOn | Not Found |
| 15:21.17 | leOn | The requested URL /debian/ was not found on this server. |
| 15:21.18 | leOn | Apache Server at archive.debian.org Port 80 |
| 15:21.30 | leOn | but now it's working |
| 15:21.30 | valdyn | lagging nameservers i guess |
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| 15:21.44 | nsadmin | interesting, must be many servers |
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| 15:22.00 | nsadmin | jelly: american of course! |
| 15:22.26 | valdyn | its klecker.debian.org for me now |
| 15:22.31 | valdyn | you could try that one probably |
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| 15:22.43 | valdyn | ok |
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| 15:22.51 | valdyn | that one gives me It works |
| 15:23.01 | valdyn | same ip though |
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| 15:23.25 | nsadmin | could it be that virtual hosting parameters are not set for the proper dns name? |
| 15:23.36 | valdyn | nsadmin: adn works for me... |
| 15:23.37 | ragsagar | somebody help me please! |
| 15:24.17 | adb | btw , why etch its not in archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ ? |
| 15:24.34 | nsadmin | etch is oldstable |
| 15:24.43 | valdyn | adb: not yet archived |
| 15:24.44 | nsadmin | so still on mirrors |
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| 15:26.45 | adb | ah , ok , thx |
| 15:26.49 | nsadmin | ragsagar: is there a way to set the properties and attributes of that application? (btw, have you learned your shell today?) |
| 15:27.25 | valdyn | ragsagar: run nautilus-file-management-properties |
| 15:27.32 | valdyn | ragsagar: or find that program in the menus |
| 15:27.50 | nsadmin | does kde use nautilus? |
| 15:27.57 | valdyn | nsadmin: no |
| 15:27.59 | ragsagar | dolphin |
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| 15:28.26 | themill | or konqueror |
| 15:28.32 | nsadmin | ok |
| 15:28.42 | nsadmin | probably latter |
| 15:29.27 | themill | nsadmin: by default, konqi for kde < 4 ; dolphin for kde >=4 |
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| 15:29.59 | ragsagar | themill, not in all kde versions less than 4 |
| 15:30.05 | nsadmin | how/who decided to switch to dolphin? |
| 15:30.19 | themill | nsadmin: $kde_devs |
| 15:30.26 | nsadmin | ahh |
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| 15:30.35 | nsadmin | any idea why? |
| 15:30.43 | nsadmin | good reason? :) |
| 15:31.16 | themill | nsadmin: trading functionality for speed. Dolphin does much less but does it faster, supposedly |
| 15:31.30 | DragoraN_ | hi all |
| 15:31.34 | DragoraN_ | is anyone using some CRM? |
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| 15:31.42 | nsadmin | ahh. is konq scripted? |
| 15:31.56 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 15:31.56 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 15:32.01 | nsadmin | DragoraN_: I use openacs, but that's quite a bit more than a crm |
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| 15:32.41 | tourt | hello :) I just installed debian lenny on a new server but I got into problems booting my root filesystem. I'm using RAID10 + LVM for root filesystem as /dev/md1 and RAID1 for /boot. My booting problem is that the device that happens to be /dev/md1 is detected as /dev/md0 (and no substitute device for the previous /dev/md0 - as /boot). It seems that mdadm detects randomly and expects that the root filesystem is at /dev/md0... Is anybody familiar about this pr |
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| 15:33.29 | themill | nsadmin: sort of -- it's a universal renderer that can display html, pdfs, ps, etc by loading kpart plugins. It can also be a file browser. |
| 15:33.51 | nsadmin | tourt: perhaps you could switch to uuids |
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| 15:34.28 | jelly | LABELs |
| 15:34.28 | nsadmin | not sure how the use of raid affects that, so you'd have to look into that as well as what uuids are and why they are used |
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| 15:35.13 | valdyn | tourt: it detects whatever is set up in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 15:35.27 | valdyn | tourt: and that file is propagated to the initrd when you regenerate the initrd for your kernel |
| 15:35.29 | jelly | tourt: was initramfs recreated after any mdadm.conf updates? |
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| 15:36.31 | OpenTokix | What do I need to dpkg-reconfigure to get the mirror-select-screen like during the installer? |
| 15:36.35 | nsadmin | what's the situation with booting a system that only has raid? how, for example, would grub have to be installed? |
| 15:37.06 | valdyn | nsadmin: raid1 on a partition is also a system on a partition |
| 15:37.12 | valdyn | nsadmin: grub does not need to know about it |
| 15:37.50 | nsadmin | I heard something about having to install grub to each of the separate HDs that make up the array... |
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| 15:37.58 | valdyn | nsadmin: no, thats nonsense |
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| 15:38.11 | valdyn | nsadmin: but that can be useful if the usual bootdisk fails |
| 15:38.18 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 15:38.41 | nsadmin | so one of the raid array drives is set as the boot drive |
| 15:39.13 | valdyn | mm, partitions are raided |
| 15:39.23 | valdyn | if you raid complete disks, then you cant boot with grub |
| 15:39.23 | Aron | I now have rsync running as root remotely, but I am still having problems preserving ownership. Even with --numeric-ids set, it seems that only existent users/groups can be preserved |
| 15:39.26 | Aron | is there any way around this? |
| 15:39.32 | jelly | nsadmin: grub2 can deal with lvm. |
| 15:40.00 | valdyn | Aron: no |
| 15:40.09 | nsadmin | jelly: that was going to be my next questiion :) |
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| 15:40.19 | Aron | ...ugh.. how is it even possible to create proper remote backups then? :/ |
| 15:40.26 | jelly | and probably md raid1 but I haven't tried that. lilo does md raid1. grub 1 (legacy) can be manually installed on both disks' mbrs |
| 15:40.44 | valdyn | Aron: with synchronised user databases |
| 15:40.49 | nsadmin | so at that point the enture system could be raided and have lvm on top for all partitions including /boot |
| 15:40.49 | valdyn | Aron: or tar archives |
| 15:41.17 | Aron | valdyn: thanks... I guess archives are the way to go then |
| 15:41.39 | valdyn | Aron: theres ways to have user databases centrally managed |
| 15:41.41 | nsadmin | tar archives work very well for backing up every part of a linux system |
| 15:41.42 | jelly | nsadmin: yes. I have hw raid + lvm everywhere, still have kept a tiny /boot out of lvm but it seems I didn't have to |
| 15:42.01 | nsadmin | I bet it make you breathe easier :P |
| 15:42.05 | jelly | s/lvm everywhere/lvm on the rest of the disk/ |
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| 15:42.45 | myeggo | hello |
| 15:42.45 | Aron | valdyn: I think tar is easier and less complicated in this case; I don't want to fill up my backup server's userlist with users that have nothing to do with it |
| 15:42.55 | myeggo | someone know where the networkmanager saves the wifi profiles? |
| 15:42.56 | tourt | valdyn: the problem is that it can't access the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, because that directory is located at the root filesystem. After a while, the kernel gives up of waiting to wait for the root filesystem |
| 15:43.23 | valdyn | tourt: that file is supposed to be in the initial ram disk too |
| 15:43.40 | valdyn | tourt: you didnt read the docs or skipped that part or missed that part |
| 15:43.42 | tourt | valdyn: so, in that case you're right :) |
| 15:43.44 | nsadmin | tourt: so it's there temporarily in ram |
| 15:43.52 | tourt | yes, they are :) |
| 15:44.18 | nsadmin | what's the command to regenerate the initrd, in etch and in lenny? |
| 15:44.29 | valdyn | tourt: boot livecd, mount stuff, use chroot, regenerate initrd |
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| 15:45.19 | nsadmin | said livecd would have to support your block devices |
| 15:46.01 | valdyn | Aron: i *like* having easy access to every single file in my backup |
| 15:46.16 | valdyn | Aron: tar is inconvient for that , synchronising user db is easy |
| 15:46.17 | Aron | valdyn: valid point |
| 15:46.25 | valdyn | Aron: so whatever you like... |
| 15:46.28 | Aron | valdyn: do you have any pointers on syncing user databases? |
| 15:47.24 | valdyn | Aron: not really |
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| 15:47.54 | Aron | valdyn: alright, thanks for the help though. I appreciate it. Going to look into this further now |
| 15:47.59 | valdyn | Aron: my "backup server" also is the by far oldest debian install, i didnt need to sync anything |
| 15:48.18 | valdyn | Aron: because it already has about every debian system user / group |
| 15:48.36 | ragsagar | how can i remove the mounted drives from desktop? |
| 15:48.36 | valdyn | Aron: and physical users just cut & paste |
| 15:49.38 | anon | hi, i installed lenny on my friends laptop. but the wifi card was not installed. it's an atheros. how do i install it without having internet on that computer? |
| 15:49.42 | nsadmin | ragsagar: I have this impression you're way -wayy- too dependent on the gui, which is why I asked earlier whether you've hugged your shell today |
| 15:49.55 | nsadmin | I could be wrong :) |
| 15:49.56 | jelly | valdyn: that would make using a single machine for rsync-based backups of multiple unix installations highly impractical |
| 15:50.10 | valdyn | jelly: sure |
| 15:50.14 | anon | i only lenny's first dvd, and the driver's source and other dependencies are on other dvds. |
| 15:50.18 | anon | *have |
| 15:50.32 | nsadmin | anon: driver for what? |
| 15:50.47 | jelly | Aron: please report this as a bug. Not that rsync doesn't have a zillion open bugs already, but it seems a nonworking --numeric-ids is not one of them |
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| 15:51.05 | anon | nsadmin: wifi card. |
| 15:51.08 | valdyn | jelly: big installations should have an auth server anyway, but were just talking home networks i guess |
| 15:51.18 | anon | nsadmin: it's and atheros. |
| 15:51.22 | anon | *an |
| 15:51.39 | nsadmin | anon: have you successfully installed the os? |
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| 15:52.01 | anon | nsadmin: yes. |
| 15:52.05 | ragsagar | nsadmin, infact iam not so familiar with DEs , Iam a fluxbox {lover,user} |
| 15:52.17 | Aron | jelly: I think it's a feature. When a user does not exist on the remote host, the user performing the rsync command is used as owner |
| 15:52.35 | Aron | Which is why --numeric-ids is not working, sadly. Would have been great |
| 15:52.39 | jelly | Aron: oh, so you're not running rsync as root? |
| 15:52.46 | Aron | jelly: yes I am |
| 15:52.55 | nsadmin | anon: very good... so you must have base plus some... do you have a wired eth port on that machine you can use temporarily? |
| 15:52.59 | Aron | so in the end, all my files are owned by "root" |
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| 15:53.26 | jelly | Aron: that's IMHO data loss. Well, metadata. |
| 15:53.29 | anon | nsadmin: no. i have to do it without internet on that box. |
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| 15:53.50 | Aron | jelly: it seems awkward to me as well. I don't see how this behaviour helps anyone :( |
| 15:53.55 | Aron | sure makes my life a lot harder. Ugh. |
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| 15:53.59 | jelly | Aron: are you using a rsyncd or rsync over ssh? |
| 15:54.04 | nsadmin | anon: oh, ok... so what are your options wrt passing files around? |
| 15:54.06 | Aron | jelly: rsync over ssh |
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| 15:54.19 | anon | nsadmin: an usb disk. |
| 15:54.38 | jelly | Aron: which architectures on etch client and lenny server? |
| 15:54.45 | valdyn | Aron: its not to hard to just add users that you backup to the backup server |
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| 15:54.53 | jelly | Aron: what's the exact command line used? |
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| 15:56.07 | themill | --numeric-ids works for me when there's no local user with that id. |
| 15:56.10 | nsadmin | anon: ok, so you could -manually- grab source on another (box, os), transfer it to the usb and then transfer to the debian |
| 15:56.14 | jelly | valdyn: that doesn't work if you're backing up multiple machines or if you have incompatible entries in any way (ie. system users/groups already present with different uids/gids) |
| 15:56.16 | tourt | valdyn: jelly: nsadmin: Let me give you all the whole (short) story: I did a fresh Lenny installation using only the Debian Installer. It only have 2 devices - RAID1:/boot:/dev/md0 and -RAID10:/:/dev/md1. But at the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf file you can find 3(?) ARRAY lines!!! I even deleted the incorrect one, but nothing works. I can stop the device, but I'm unable to start it again |
| 15:56.16 | Aron | jelly: from the live server that is used to send the data: http://pastebin.com/m25b99b38 |
| 15:56.30 | anon | nsadmin: but there are multiple dependencies |
| 15:56.35 | Aron | Both servers are running fully patched lenny |
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| 15:56.40 | lnostdal | hm .. i'm running OOo3.x on Lenny .. it seems to work, but -- is it pulling or overwriting library packages from "stable" (or lenny) with stuff from "testing" and "experimental" etc.? |
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| 15:56.45 | valdyn | jelly: sure, im aware |
| 15:56.50 | nsadmin | anon: can you install build-essential? |
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| 15:57.00 | anon | it's installed |
| 15:57.03 | anon | nsadmin: |
| 15:57.05 | nsadmin | ok |
| 15:57.09 | nsadmin | hmm :) |
| 15:57.18 | nsadmin | so module-assistant is installed? |
| 15:57.23 | anon | nsadmin: yes |
| 15:57.29 | nsadmin | and kernel-package |
| 15:57.30 | lnostdal | ..why does it _upgrade_ .. i just want additions, not upgrades of core stuff in the OS etc. .. .. |
| 15:57.31 | nsadmin | ? |
| 15:57.39 | anon | nsadmin: i ran module-assistant prepare. |
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| 15:57.53 | themill | dpkg: tell lnostdal about pinning |
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| 15:57.57 | nsadmin | lnostdal: because there exist earlier versions |
| 15:58.03 | jelly | Aron: is that -e "ssh -i /root/.ssh/backup.key -p 8000" really unquoted? |
| 15:58.18 | Aron | jelly: no, this is because I echo'd it quickly from my bash script |
| 15:58.27 | Aron | Kind of expected that one, when I pasted it :) |
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| 15:58.38 | themill | Aron: have you come across rsnapshot? |
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| 15:58.47 | anon | nsadmin: you're out of ideas? |
| 15:58.47 | jelly | Aron: is my correction... correct? |
| 15:58.51 | Aron | themill: yeah I have, but it seems to only work the other way around |
| 15:59.05 | nsadmin | what happened when you did the prepare? |
| 15:59.05 | themill | Aron: ahh true... it only pulls, not pushes. |
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| 15:59.16 | Aron | themill: it would have been a great solution |
| 15:59.23 | anon | nsadmin: it installed a bunch of packages. |
| 15:59.26 | nsadmin | it tried to install a kernel-headers? |
| 15:59.32 | nsadmin | so it succeeded? |
| 15:59.34 | Aron | jelly: what correction? |
| 15:59.37 | anon | it installed the headers yes |
| 15:59.40 | jelly | Aron: the -e |
| 15:59.54 | nsadmin | and it succeeded in installing the other packages? |
| 15:59.58 | Aron | jelly: it is quoted in my bash script. |
| 16:00.09 | Aron | So that is not the problem |
| 16:00.18 | jelly | Aron: please paste the actual command line used, then |
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| 16:00.35 | jelly | just to make things clear. |
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| 16:00.50 | nsadmin | anon: is this a laptop? and/or... so you don't have an eth card laying around? |
| 16:01.14 | anon | nsadmin: yes, that's it. |
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| 16:01.25 | anon | nsadmin: thanks anyway |
| 16:01.28 | nsadmin | so yes; no |
| 16:01.32 | Aron | jelly: http://pastebin.com/m456923d2 |
| 16:01.34 | nsadmin | correct? |
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| 16:02.16 | anon | nsadmin: it is a laptop, and there is no way of connecting it to the internet except via wifi. |
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| 16:02.59 | nsadmin | ok, so unless I miss my guess, you have almost everything you need installed... what does the source pkg depend on that's not present? |
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| 16:03.10 | nsadmin | you may need firmware for one thing |
| 16:04.22 | anon | nsadmin: the driver is madwifi. but madwifi-source was not on the dvd. i had to get it from another computer. when installing it warned me it need another package... this method is not good. |
| 16:04.38 | nsadmin | what package? |
| 16:04.43 | anon | debhelp |
| 16:04.51 | nsadmin | debhelper |
| 16:04.54 | anon | debhelper |
| 16:04.55 | nsadmin | yes? |
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| 16:05.17 | nsadmin | ok, and so did you try to install that package manually as well? |
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| 16:05.43 | nsadmin | judd, depends madwifi-source |
| 16:05.44 | judd | nsadmin: madwifi-source -- Depends: module-assistant, debhelper (>= 7), bzip2 |
| 16:05.58 | nsadmin | ahh, so you need bzip2 also |
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| 16:07.00 | anon | i wish there was a better way |
| 16:07.09 | jelly | anon: an aptitude -f install after that install should have fixed the things if it was possible |
| 16:08.18 | nsadmin | anon: there's presently not, partly because of how the dvd is organized, partly because you don't have hardware options (no eth, for example) |
| 16:08.50 | nsadmin | judd, depends debhelper |
| 16:08.51 | judd | nsadmin: debhelper -- Depends: perl (>= 5.6.0-16), file (>= 3.23), dpkg-dev (>= 1.14.15), html2text, binutils, po-debconf, man-db (>= 2.5.1-1) |
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| 16:09.22 | Aron | jelly: seems like numeric-id is really supposed to work this way: http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2004-January/008376.html |
| 16:09.42 | nsadmin | hmm... do you have all those? |
| 16:09.47 | jelly | Aron: still, broken by design is still broken |
| 16:10.00 | nsadmin | you should now at least have perl-base |
| 16:10.13 | Aron | jelly: true, but sadly enough that does not solve my problem :) |
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| 16:10.25 | nsadmin | maybe you don't have dpkg-dev or html2text |
| 16:10.37 | nsadmin | you definitely have binutils |
| 16:10.51 | jelly | Aron: it also makes me think that some of my old (and thankfully obsolete) rsnapshot backups might be broken |
| 16:11.05 | valdyn | jelly: very easy to fix though |
| 16:11.11 | nsadmin | judd, depends html2text |
| 16:11.11 | judd | nsadmin: html2text -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1) |
| 16:11.24 | valdyn | jelly: and they will look ok if you nfs mount them |
| 16:11.41 | valdyn | jelly: ( without any fixing ) |
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| 16:12.07 | nsadmin | notice you can find out what you need... you can /msg judd depends (package) |
| 16:12.08 | jelly | valdyn: that's assuming a lot of things; however I did backup /etc/{passwd,group} as well. |
| 16:12.09 | andres | Hi. Is there any way to stop install-scripts to call update-rc.d to start services at boot (at upgrade of the package)? |
| 16:12.33 | valdyn | jelly: i just assume you can nfs mount |
| 16:12.38 | jelly | valdyn: "will look ok if you nfs mount" would mean numbers were preserved |
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| 16:13.07 | nsadmin | your best bet is to try to install debhelper and make sure you have bzip2... if you're lucky, you have the deps for that and you're good to go |
| 16:13.08 | valdyn | jelly: ok, im assuming your rdiff does what my dirvish does |
| 16:13.12 | stew | andres: you disabled a service and you don't want it reenabled? |
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| 16:13.19 | stew | andres: if so, how did you disable it? |
| 16:13.26 | andres | update-rc.d -f ... |
| 16:13.40 | stew | what is ...? |
| 16:13.52 | andres | update-rc.d -f service remove |
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| 16:14.00 | jelly | valdyn: rsnapshot pulls; dirvish pushes; in the end, I just care about having a complete backup |
| 16:14.05 | andres | with service beeing the service I want disabled. |
| 16:14.12 | stew | andres: instead of removing it, change S to K |
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| 16:14.51 | nsadmin | andres: you could also simply remove the package |
| 16:15.04 | andres | nsadmin: I want to manually start the package |
| 16:15.08 | andres | *service |
| 16:15.33 | nsadmin | so you don't want remove then, becasue it might remove /etc/init.d/service |
| 16:16.03 | andres | nsadmin: e.g. I need to have several postgres versions installed locally for testing, but I do not need all of them running constantly. |
| 16:16.08 | stew | removing it wouldn't remove /etc/init.d/service, but it would make the script non-functional, he wants it to function |
| 16:16.14 | nsadmin | gotcha |
| 16:16.16 | stew | andres: this is covered in the update-rc.d manual |
| 16:16.32 | nsadmin | FINALLY someone who likes postgres :P |
| 16:16.41 | stew | andres: "A common system administration error is to delete the links with the thought that this will "disable" the service".. |
| 16:17.08 | nsadmin | he doesn't actually want to disable it |
| 16:17.08 | andres | stew: thanks. |
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| 16:17.21 | nsadmin | he just doesn't want it automatically started |
| 16:17.26 | andres | nsadmin: I do want the rc.d entries to be disabled |
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| 16:18.29 | nsadmin | andres: ok |
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| 16:19.44 | nsadmin | make sure you know exactly what remove does... |
| 16:19.55 | nsadmin | I still say you don't want that :) |
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| 16:22.39 | nsadmin | andres: if I understand correctly, you don't want the pg instance to start on boot, but you do want an easy way to start it without having to think too much (for example, where the (*&%$R*(&%$ is the (&*%$(*& data dir for this instance) |
| 16:23.49 | lnostdal | ok, looks like installing OOo-3.x debs from the official OOo site is (or was..) a much better idea .. that won't slowly screw up a system as more and more packages start to break because OOo3.x from debian pulls in core OS/Gnome libraries and _overwrites_ what's there already, just for OOo's sake .... |
| 16:24.17 | lnostdal | sheesh |
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| 16:24.23 | valdyn | lnostdal: sure it does that |
| 16:24.29 | valdyn | lnostdal: what were you thinking? |
| 16:24.39 | valdyn | lnostdal: it even announces that when you run apt-get install blah |
| 16:24.44 | nsadmin | lnostdal: generally you want to make sure you're installing stuff intended for your -version- of debian |
| 16:25.48 | osfd | I might get bitten but still, I'm gonna ask. Is there a way, even a tiny little one, that we see one day, an official skype package for debian ? |
| 16:25.48 | andres | stew: thanks, works. |
| 16:25.48 | valdyn | osfd: no |
| 16:25.48 | andres | nsadmin: PG was just one example |
| 16:25.48 | nsadmin | andres: understood |
| 16:25.50 | osfd | valdyn: of course |
| 16:25.57 | jelly | osfd: official skype package by skype, maybe. |
| 16:25.58 | lnostdal | i'm doing the "package pinning thing", as mentioned on debian wikis and numerous posts on the internet etc. .. why should it screw things up more and more? .. i don't get it -- don't care either |
| 16:26.21 | valdyn | lnostdal: you do not understand what you are doing |
| 16:26.23 | jelly | !tell lnostdal -about pinning |
| 16:26.33 | nsadmin | andres and so if you generalize, then there's even more to think about that you don't need to if the /etc/init.d/service file is still there |
| 16:26.33 | valdyn | lnostdal: just because you use pinning that does not mean you are doing things right |
| 16:26.34 | osfd | jelly: yeah, why not...but something a little newer than the actual one |
| 16:26.48 | jelly | osfd: you'll have to ask skype. |
| 16:27.08 | osfd | jelly: sure they'll listen to me..! |
| 16:27.10 | lnostdal | i don't care tbh. .. don't see why pinning is even mentioned as an _option_ for someone who wants to run, say, OOo-3.x |
| 16:27.11 | andres | nsadmin: well, even if I would delete the init.d file the upgrade would reeinstall it. |
| 16:27.22 | andres | nsadmin: so that wouldnt buy me much. |
| 16:27.27 | stew | andres: no an upgrade won't replace missing conffiles |
| 16:27.33 | nsadmin | not necessarily... |
| 16:27.38 | valdyn | lnostdal: true, i would not do that |
| 16:27.43 | lnostdal | pisses me off .... *sigh* |
| 16:27.58 | stew | andres: if you delete the init.d it will necessarily not replace them, unless you ask specifically with --force-confmiss |
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| 16:28.35 | valdyn | lnostdal: generally using upstream packages for stuff like firefox or oo.org works just fine, as long as you can use their installers to not install into /usr ( but just /usr/local ) or even better /opt |
| 16:28.50 | valdyn | lnostdal: and mixing debian releases is quite tricky |
| 16:28.54 | nsadmin | the idea is debian assumes you've removed it for a reason in congruence with somethign you want |
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| 16:31.27 | don_martino_ | hi! i need to install xserver-xorg-video-intel version 2.6, which is from the experimental repository. this package depends on a lot of other packages which habe "git" in their version. apt tells me this and denies installation with "but version $ver is going to be installed". how do i tell apt "shut up and do it"? |
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| 16:31.53 | nsadmin | don_martino_: build the package |
| 16:31.56 | \7_2 | hey guys |
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| 16:32.20 | nsadmin | or find a backport |
| 16:32.24 | \7_2 | I'm trying to create a .xinitrc to set my desktop background using feh but everytime I create the file and try to start x afterwards it fails |
| 16:32.31 | \7_2 | any idea what's wrong? |
| 16:32.33 | don_martino_ | nsadmin: so these ...+git versions don't refer to available packages? |
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| 16:33.07 | valdyn | don_martino_: +git is nothing special, its just a version |
| 16:33.22 | nsadmin | don_martino_: probably not, but what version is in experimental? what I'm saying to you, is you can get the source of -that- version and compile it into a package |
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| 16:33.41 | nsadmin | the debianized source that is |
| 16:33.43 | \amethyst | don_martino_: you'll need those packages from experimental |
| 16:33.44 | nsadmin | but!!! |
| 16:34.29 | don_martino_ | \amethyst: why won't apt pull those packages? i added the experimental repository to /etc/apt/sources.list (it has been a few years since i last used debian) |
| 16:34.35 | elik | Passing from EST to EDT was untidy.. I see that I'm on EDT with "date", but my time is still off by an hour |
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| 16:34.52 | valdyn | don_martino_: experimental might not have those packages compiled for your arch |
| 16:34.52 | nsadmin | the packaging might not be totally functional, it might not build properly, it's called experimental probably becasue it's too unstable for unstable |
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| 16:35.03 | valdyn | don_martino_: thats also nothing unusual |
| 16:35.14 | \7_2 | guys? |
| 16:35.18 | elik | Plus, the adjust date and time function is giving me an unsupported platform error (never saw that in the past) |
| 16:35.23 | valdyn | don_martino_: commonly its available as a source package at least, but thats also not a necessity |
| 16:35.30 | don_martino_ | nsadmin: i'm well aware of that but the alternative means: no external display which is not an option for a laptop meant for presentations |
| 16:35.35 | stew | elik: what does "date" say now? |
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| 16:35.49 | \7_2 | why won't my xserver start after I created a ~/.xinitrc file containing #!/bin/sh and feh .... & ? |
| 16:35.51 | jelly | \7_2: /var/log/Xorg.0.log and your ~/.xsession-errors might have a clue. |
| 16:35.55 | elik | stew, Mon Mar 9 11:33:28 EDT 2009 |
| 16:36.00 | \7_2 | jelly: thanks |
| 16:36.11 | nsadmin | that doesn'T sound right |
| 16:36.16 | nsadmin | it's not synced |
| 16:36.16 | stew | elik: so what do you mean by "my time is still off by an hour" ? |
| 16:36.20 | elik | stew, weird thing is, my desktop is alright |
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| 16:36.27 | jelly | \7_2: you have to start a session manager at the end of that file, if I remember correctly |
| 16:36.29 | elik | stew, should be 12:33 |
| 16:36.33 | nsadmin | stew: literally that, it's not synced up |
| 16:36.39 | don_martino_ | valdyn: that doesn't sound very encouraging, but i'll go down that road. |
| 16:36.42 | jelly | \7_2: (a window manager would suffice) |
| 16:36.48 | nsadmin | should actually be 12:36 |
| 16:36.53 | don_martino_ | thank's for the information, i'll go and break my system now :-) |
| 16:37.02 | \7_2 | jelly: I installed openbox and it starts automaticlly |
| 16:37.05 | \7_2 | even without the .xinitrc |
| 16:37.15 | \amethyst | elik: did you unclearnly reboot at some point after the time change? |
| 16:37.19 | \amethyst | uncleanly |
| 16:37.21 | elik | stew, thing is, it seems like the time zone changed, but not the time... |
| 16:37.25 | valdyn | don_martino_: experimental packages still are usuable if you know how to compile packages etc, its not that bad |
| 16:37.27 | elik | \amethyst, yup, power outage |
| 16:37.30 | valdyn | don_martino_: *usually* |
| 16:37.31 | \amethyst | elik: aha |
| 16:37.35 | jelly | \7_2: yes, but _having_ an .xinitrc might be overriding that. |
| 16:37.40 | elik | \amethyst, hum, interesting? |
| 16:37.40 | \7_2 | oh |
| 16:37.46 | \amethyst | elik: and you have local time in the system clock I bet |
| 16:37.49 | valdyn | don_martino_: but dont be surprised if you have to look elsewhere to fix a depend |
| 16:37.55 | \amethyst | elik: so the changed local time never got written to the system clock |
| 16:37.57 | \7_2 | jelly: Why does openbox start without doing it manually anyway? I never even thought about that hah :P |
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| 16:38.01 | \amethyst | elik: because that happens on shutdown |
| 16:38.04 | elik | \amethyst, I see, I see |
| 16:38.09 | elik | \amethyst, ah, smart ;) |
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| 16:38.19 | \amethyst | elik: set the time correctly then do /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh stop |
| 16:38.27 | stew | elik: did you have a system crash after the timezone change? |
| 16:38.27 | \amethyst | elik: that will write the time to the CMOS clock |
| 16:39.10 | elik | \amethyst, alright, cool... now, the thing is the adjust date and time give me errors too, unsupported platform |
| 16:39.43 | jelly | \7_2: one would have to analyze /etc/X11/Xsession and all the scripts called from there to answer that, but basically I think without a user's custom .xinitrc or .xsession, a default session or a default window manager is started. |
| 16:39.56 | don_martino_ | valdyn: i am a gentoo user. i switched from debian b/c i never got the hang of building debian packages ... this is going to be very interesting |
| 16:40.12 | jelly | \7_2: openbox might have its own method of calling apps at the start |
| 16:40.15 | elik | \amethyst, and is there a reason why a clock change, be it manual change or time zone change, doesn't automatically rewrite on the rtc? |
| 16:40.31 | \amethyst | elik: because nothing really changed |
| 16:40.45 | jelly | \7_2: failing that, your .xinitrc should run "exec openbox" or similar at the end |
| 16:40.48 | \7_2 | jelly: Where would that default window manager be set then, do you have any idea? |
| 16:40.55 | \7_2 | okay |
| 16:40.56 | \amethyst | elik: Unix doesn't change the time when the timezone changes---instead it just changes the reporting |
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| 16:41.18 | \7_2 | jelly: exec openbox-session with or without the ampersand & at the end? |
| 16:41.20 | \amethyst | elik: if you have your system clock in UTC, it doesn't need to be reset when the zone changes |
| 16:41.27 | \7_2 | I think I've heard about the last command should never have that |
| 16:41.30 | elik | \amethyst, right, unless you set it so your time zone is stored on the rtc (which you need for Windows dual boot, right?) |
| 16:41.39 | elik | \amethyst, right |
| 16:41.45 | jelly | \7_2: without & |
| 16:42.04 | \amethyst | elik: even then, the OS clock doesn't change... it's just the RTC that would need to be set. |
| 16:42.10 | \7_2 | jelly: Cool. Can you tell me why too? :D Sorry to bother you just dont if you don't have time for stuff like that |
| 16:42.31 | \7_2 | and why "exec XXXX" |
| 16:42.43 | elik | \amethyst, ok.. anyway, how do I get around thsi GUI? there must be some command line tool for fixing time |
| 16:42.45 | \amethyst | elik: it might be worth filing a wishlist bug about... I guess it would be possible to have a cron job or something write the rtc when the zone changes and the RTC is in local time |
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| 16:42.59 | \amethyst | elik: date 03091243 |
| 16:43.30 | \amethyst | elik: or you can install ntp which will keep your clock in sync with the rest of the world |
| 16:43.50 | valdyn | don_martino_: its not *that* different to gentoo |
| 16:43.57 | elik | \amethyst, I prefer the latest :) thx |
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| 16:44.30 | \7_2 | jelly: killing X ttyl |
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| 16:44.39 | jelly | \7_2: that file is a /bin/sh script. /bin/sh syntax "foo &" makes the command foo be run in background. When that shell dies, your X session ends. "exec blah" makes command blah replace that very shell itself and take the place of session holder. |
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| 16:51.32 | shambat | are there any syslog benchmarks available? I'm looking for an estimate of how much data can be stored per second... |
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| 16:52.28 | frido | hi, exist any "network" fs, which on server has data stored encrypted and only remote client which know "pass" for access can mount it remotelly and see, what's there ? |
| 16:52.55 | Piet | what's the right kernel image architecture for AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2400+ ? |
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| 16:54.01 | Piet | i know 486 will work, but can i use any of the others? |
| 16:54.14 | valdyn | Piet: -686 |
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| 16:55.04 | valdyn | frido: you mean a fs that server users cant read ? |
| 16:55.19 | valdyn | frido: ( unless they know the password too ) |
| 16:55.30 | frido | valdyn: yes, for example |
| 16:55.48 | valdyn | frido: i would look into "network block device" |
| 16:55.52 | valdyn | frido: like google |
| 16:55.55 | valdyn | frido: i havent done it |
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| 16:56.22 | valdyn | frido: network block device with the decrypting layer on the client, that can be loop-aes or whatever |
| 16:58.14 | valdyn | frido: wikipedia should explain the basics, encryption is done as usual, like you would for any harddisk |
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| 16:59.26 | jpinx | frido: does sshfs not do enough for you? |
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| 17:01.10 | Piet | thanks valdyn. and how do you know? |
| 17:01.20 | toolz | what should I do so users added to the machine cannot view other user's content? |
| 17:01.32 | martianlobster | when I do a nmap of my debian server, I see ports 137, 1433, and 1434 open. But when I log in as root and do a netstat -pantu, these ports don't appear. Does anyone know why this is happening? |
| 17:01.35 | Piet | i often have this problem not to know which kernel arch would fit a given cpu |
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| 17:02.09 | cahoot | martianlobster: add an l? |
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| 17:03.15 | |bbinotto| | hi, is it possible to see network traffic per process? |
| 17:03.15 | Piet | toolz: dpkg-reconfigure adduser - i _think_ |
| 17:03.18 | martianlobster | cahoot, I don't understand what you are suggesting |
| 17:03.34 | toolz | you think? :) |
| 17:03.40 | \amethyst | cahoot: -a should already list listening ports |
| 17:03.40 | cahoot | martianlobster: netstat -tulpan? |
| 17:03.45 | cahoot | ok sorry |
| 17:04.13 | \amethyst | martianlobster: is your machine behind a firewall or NAT? |
| 17:04.30 | \amethyst | martianlobster: the server that is |
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| 17:04.41 | martianlobster | it is on the open internet |
| 17:05.35 | \amethyst | martianlobster: is *it* acting as a router or a firewall for any Windows machines? |
| 17:05.48 | martianlobster | \amethyst: it was a while back, but no longer |
| 17:06.08 | \amethyst | martianlobster: maybe the port forwards are still set up? |
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| 17:06.54 | \amethyst | martianlobster: check iptables -L and iptables -t nat -L |
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| 17:08.29 | martianlobster | I just did "iptables -F" and "iptables -t nat -F" a short while ago |
| 17:08.43 | martianlobster | I will put a link to the output from iptables -L and iptables -t nat -L |
| 17:09.46 | |bbinotto| | how can I see how much network traffic is produced by each process? |
| 17:09.51 | martianlobster | http://acumen.dyndns.biz/foo.txt |
| 17:09.54 | \amethyst | you want to print \342\202\001 \342\202\002 \342\202\003 etc? |
| 17:09.56 | \amethyst | doh |
| 17:10.11 | martianlobster | http://acumen.dyndns.biz/foo.txt has the output from iptables -L |
| 17:10.20 | \amethyst | martianlobster: running any virtualization on this machine? |
| 17:10.28 | martianlobster | \amethyst: yes, I have vbox running |
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| 17:10.39 | martianlobster | does vbox open these ports? |
| 17:10.46 | \amethyst | martianlobster: what networking mode are you using? |
| 17:10.51 | frido | valdyn: decrypting layer on client - but what is server "layer" ? |
| 17:11.07 | martianlobster | \amethyst: I don't know :( I am still a noob with vbox |
| 17:11.16 | \amethyst | martianlobster: it's possible a virtualized machine is listening on those ports |
| 17:11.25 | frido | jpinx: how to use in this case sshfs ? |
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| 17:12.01 | \amethyst | martianlobster: are you virtualizing a Windows machine that's running MS SQL server? |
| 17:12.11 | martianlobster | \amethyst: no |
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| 17:12.13 | \amethyst | martianlobster: hm |
| 17:12.19 | martianlobster | \amethyst: I turned off all of my virtual machines |
| 17:12.21 | martianlobster | hmmm |
| 17:12.29 | martianlobster | I wounder if I shutdown vbox what would happen |
| 17:12.38 | \amethyst | hm |
| 17:12.57 | \amethyst | and unload the vbox modules, especially the networking module |
| 17:13.36 | martianlobster | ok, this sis going to be some work, I will be back later |
| 17:13.43 | \amethyst | hm, or does it have a separate networking module in Linux? |
| 17:13.49 | martianlobster | uggg |
| 17:13.51 | \amethyst | I've only used virtualbox on Solaris |
| 17:14.11 | \amethyst | s/Solaris/OpenSolaris/ |
| 17:14.25 | toolz | Piet, and after I did that and selected my options |
| 17:14.29 | toolz | the users are fixed? |
| 17:14.34 | toolz | or only for newly added users? |
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| 17:15.36 | Piet | toolz: only newly added |
| 17:15.46 | toolz | and how do I fix for the current? |
| 17:15.48 | toolz | can I do that? |
| 17:15.52 | Piet | toolz: for existing, you need to adjust the permissions manually |
| 17:16.02 | toolz | gimme an example, I will do it |
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| 17:16.16 | acu | a key was stuck and one hundred or more Desktop helps are open in Gnome - how can I close them all at once instead of one by one ? |
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| 17:16.31 | Piet | without warranty: chmod -R o-rwx /home/foo |
| 17:16.35 | backslash7 | hey guys |
| 17:16.45 | backslash7 | I'm having some real issues with Debian @desktop .... |
| 17:17.22 | Piet | toolz: no that'S too much. you just want something like: chmod o-rwx /home/* |
| 17:17.27 | acu | backslash7 : write exactly what is your problem and your question |
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| 17:17.43 | backslash7 | It seems to me that all gtk themes look like crap. So I downloaded a theme from gnome-look.org for gtk 2.0 and installed it. After activating it, there was no big difference, in fact it looks pretty much the same, for sure it's not what it should be |
| 17:17.49 | backslash7 | maybe I'm missing a engine or something? |
| 17:18.00 | cahoot | acu: pkill yelp? |
| 17:18.01 | backslash7 | All I have is xserver, openbox and lxpanel |
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| 17:20.07 | backslash7 | you know, all buttons are grey and rectangular |
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| 17:20.18 | acu | cahoo: how can I close all open windows in gnome ? |
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| 17:22.02 | backslash7 | Anyone? |
| 17:22.07 | cahoot | acu: I just opened a bunch of help windows in gnome - pkill yelp closed them momentarily |
| 17:22.09 | backslash7 | Really appreciate any help..... |
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| 17:22.48 | ciphergoth | Are postinst scripts and suchlike allowed to be in Python if the program depends on Python? |
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| 17:24.27 | acu | cahoot: great it seem that is something else - it is gnome help browser |
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| 17:24.57 | ragsagar | anybody have any idea that how can i find the dbus methods available using dbus-send command? |
| 17:25.13 | BornToBePuli | hi |
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| 17:25.46 | backslash7 | acu, do you think you can help me? |
| 17:26.01 | backslash7 | you're talking about Gnome on #debian so maybe you can help me with my gtk problem.... |
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| 17:28.51 | Flumdahl | hmm, how do i disable ipv6 ? |
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| 17:29.03 | LynuxDevil | what is the CLI program to administer services under Debian (I'm using Ubuntu, but it should work) |
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| 17:29.25 | Superbartt | LynuxDevil that's the most unclear question i've ever read |
| 17:29.26 | LynuxDevil | ? |
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| 17:29.43 | LynuxDevil | Superbartt: I mean to turn them off so that they don't start at boot |
| 17:29.44 | themill | LynuxDevil: try #ubuntu |
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| 17:30.07 | trpr | is there a cli program for that? add/remove scripts from /etc/rc.# run levels |
| 17:30.08 | Flumdahl | my debian server gets ipv6 from my gateway but it is slow as hell. so i wanna disable ipv6 |
| 17:30.10 | Superbartt | update-rc.d |
| 17:30.15 | LynuxDevil | themill: it's unlikely they know |
| 17:30.19 | backslash7 | LynuxDevil, or sysv-rc-conf |
| 17:30.22 | LynuxDevil | themill: too many newbies |
| 17:30.27 | adb | Flumdahl: see !noipv6 |
| 17:30.31 | trpr | err, that is, add symlinks to those dirs to the scripts you want to run |
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| 17:30.33 | Flumdahl | !noipv6 |
| 17:30.34 | dpkg | somebody said noipv6 was echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 17:30.42 | themill | LynuxDevil: not our problem. Ubuntu uses a very different startup system to debian. |
| 17:30.44 | cahoot | LynuxDevil: resort to the debian reference |
| 17:31.12 | LynuxDevil | themill: well, it might work |
| 17:31.35 | backslash7 | LynuxDevil, sysv-rc-conf provides a console gui. e.g. just toggle services with <space> |
| 17:31.37 | LynuxDevil | themill: I don't have much of a choice until #ubuntu gets more advanced people |
| 17:31.38 | backslash7 | give it a shot |
| 17:31.41 | themill | LynuxDevil: or it might bork your system. Seriously, go ask in #ubuntu or install debian. |
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| 17:32.15 | themill | dpkg: tell LynuxDevil about they don't know |
| 17:32.46 | LynuxDevil | ugh... |
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| 17:33.03 | backslash7 | Guys, could anyone of you guys help me with gtk? All themes just look like crap with the grey, old, rectangular buttons and grey backgrounds....... |
| 17:33.11 | backslash7 | no matter what theme I switch to, it all looks the same |
| 17:33.42 | jelly | backslash7: what app are you using to switch the theme? |
| 17:33.43 | valdyn | backslash7: how are you switching themes? |
| 17:34.02 | backslash7 | uhm.... Mostly with gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 17:34.03 | themill | LynuxDevil: it's only politeness to install debian before asking volunteers in #debian questions. Given the enormous differences between debian and ubuntu particularly on this issue, there are also significant technical reasons why this is the wrong channel to ask. |
| 17:34.07 | backslash7 | what else? |
| 17:34.08 | jelly | suggests gtk-chtheme |
| 17:34.18 | elik | Hey! I like grey old rectangular buttons and grey backgrounds |
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| 17:34.26 | trpr | afaik there is no difference between the way ubuntu and debian handle run levels. google a tutorial for debian - its applicable |
| 17:34.30 | backslash7 | elik, :D |
| 17:34.30 | CentHOGG | elik: ditto |
| 17:34.35 | backslash7 | I don't |
| 17:34.47 | elik | it doesn't mean they look like crap |
| 17:34.47 | backslash7 | I don't like that brown-beige-grey-brown-yellow-oldish grey |
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| 17:34.54 | valdyn | backslash7: ps aux | grep gconf |
| 17:34.57 | backslash7 | I rather like dark grey / black |
| 17:34.59 | elik | ;) |
| 17:35.01 | themill | trpr: heard of upstart? |
| 17:35.03 | Superbartt | backslash7 try windows 7? :p |
| 17:35.12 | backslash7 | valdyn, yep it's running |
| 17:35.30 | valdyn | backslash7: theres at least 2 configuration backends for gtk apps |
| 17:35.39 | valdyn | backslash7: one is gconf, one is the config files |
| 17:35.45 | jelly | backslash7: gtk-chtheme works better, for some reason, on my xfce. |
| 17:35.47 | backslash7 | Superbartt, I'm not talking about fancy colors, I just want a decent simple clean dark-grey / black theme |
| 17:35.48 | valdyn | backslash7: gconf takes precedence |
| 17:35.51 | backslash7 | BUT NOTHING CHANGES :P |
| 17:36.04 | valdyn | backslash7: gtk-theme-switch only changes config files |
| 17:36.10 | backslash7 | gconftool gconftool-2 ? |
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| 17:36.24 | valdyn | backslash7: if you insist on usign extremely cryptic gui programs |
| 17:36.49 | valdyn | backslash7: i'd rather use gnome-appearance-properties |
| 17:36.50 | trpr | themill: no. i haven't been paying attention to which daemon has been loading the scripts, only the structure in etc, which seems unchanged.. that is, when i want to adjust runlevels, i do it manually w/ symlinks |
| 17:36.59 | valdyn | backslash7: if you insist on usign extremely cryptic *cli* programs |
| 17:37.23 | Superbartt | a gui is a cli which you control with your mouse! :+ |
| 17:37.31 | backslash7 | wow |
| 17:37.37 | unop | s/cl// |
| 17:37.40 | backslash7 | gtk-chtheme did it :D |
| 17:37.43 | backslash7 | nice! |
| 17:37.50 | backslash7 | I was sooo confused I tell you |
| 17:38.03 | backslash7 | luckly it was just the frontend :P |
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| 17:38.08 | backslash7 | Thank you so much guys! |
| 17:38.18 | themill | trpr: then you know more than me about it -- debian doesn't use upstart and any differences there may be between upstart and sysv init would be a real problem. Hoping that things are the same for something as critical as this doesn't seem like a good plan. |
| 17:38.26 | dlt____ | hello folks. Why do this wiki entry says that you need to download both the drive image and the netinst ISO image? Why do I need the drive image? |
| 17:38.35 | dlt____ | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne |
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| 17:39.26 | valdyn | dlt____: that thing has no cdrom drive, right? |
| 17:39.30 | jelly | dlt____: it explains why later |
| 17:39.59 | trpr | themill: from a design standpoint it isn't surprising the config structure remains the same. upstart states it intends to be a replacement. only logical to preserve compatibility |
| 17:40.00 | jelly | dlt____: the drive image provides a boot environment, without the installer packages |
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| 17:40.31 | themill | trpr: upstart also has no concept of a runlevel, so how changing symlinks for the runlevels achieves anything I don't know. |
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| 17:40.36 | dlt____ | valdyn, no cdrom drive |
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| 17:40.57 | jelly | dlt____: the installer iso contains the packages needed for installation, and you copy it on the drive filesystem provided by the drive image |
| 17:41.00 | dlt____ | jelly would the 700mb iso image provide a boot environment? |
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| 17:41.11 | jelly | dlt____: no? |
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| 17:41.51 | dlt____ | jelly, the acer aspire one doesn't has a cdrom drive.. |
| 17:41.59 | jelly | dlt____: and? |
| 17:42.25 | jelly | dlt____: what seems to be the problem with the instructions? |
| 17:42.39 | dlt____ | jelly, would the 700mb iso image provide a boot environment? |
| 17:42.49 | jelly | dlt____: no |
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| 17:43.09 | jelly | dlt____: your machine cannot boot from an iso image |
| 17:43.40 | themill | chases after dlt____ with a pair of scissors and tries cut off his tail |
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| 17:44.04 | jelly | dlt____: the "drive image" is a bootable usb key image. |
| 17:44.28 | roe_ | sweet! php-mdb2-driver-pgsql finally made it out of NEW |
| 17:44.34 | jelly | dlt____: however, it's incomplete and you need to add an installer iso on that usb stick. |
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| 17:45.30 | dlt____ | but the installation cd, it is a iso image, right? I just want to know why it isn't possible to boot from the installation iso alone.. |
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| 17:45.31 | DevilChaos | hey folks |
| 17:45.48 | jelly | dlt____: because your machine BIOS cannot boot from an .iso, I guess. |
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| 17:46.15 | backslash7 | Does anyone know what openbox theme this is: http://projects.l3ib.org/rainbow/ss1.png |
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| 17:46.25 | valdyn | dlt____: nothing can boot actual iso filesystems - the cdrom spec allows booting a cdrom by embedding a floppy image on the iso. For usb its just not embedded so you use an extra image, tahts all |
| 17:46.28 | jelly | dlt____: which makes sense, considering there is no cdrom device to read and boot an iso image from |
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| 17:47.18 | DevilChaos | iv still got my problem with my keyboard at boot time i want to be able to use usb instead of ps/2 need to change now as i have a brand new one tis very nice i think it all stems from my last install where i allowed the option of ps/2 style keyboard instead of usb |
| 17:47.32 | dlt____ | valdyn, jelly I understand is |
| 17:47.34 | dlt____ | it |
| 17:47.35 | dlt____ | thanks |
| 17:48.07 | DevilChaos | is it possible that i need to tell grub iin the conf file somewhere ? |
| 17:48.24 | jelly | thinks he's seen cdrom emulation for usb-storage in a BIOS somewhere |
| 17:48.31 | DevilChaos | as i dont wish to start another full reinstall |
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| 17:49.19 | valdyn | DevilChaos: do you have both plugged in at once? |
| 17:49.22 | jelly | DevilChaos: what does "at boot time" mean? In grub menu? |
| 17:49.37 | DevilChaos | i have checked my bios and things are set correctly there |
| 17:49.43 | DevilChaos | after grub menu |
| 17:50.05 | DevilChaos | it allows me to press enter on the kernel then switches off at crypt passwd |
| 17:50.07 | trpr | themill: indeed. you have me curious why that's been working for me. http://www.linux.com/feature/125977 seems to explain a bit |
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| 17:50.35 | DevilChaos | which is strange |
| 17:51.57 | DevilChaos | if problem cannot be solved lightly i guess i might have to fully reinstall after all not goin to be happy bout it though taken me ages to start again |
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| 17:52.38 | jelly | DevilChaos: not really; kernel boots, runs initramfs but doesn't load all the modules before asking for the filesystem/disk password |
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| 17:53.19 | jelly | DevilChaos: what is the bios setting for your usb keyboard? legacy? |
| 17:53.33 | jelly | (what are the available options?) |
| 17:53.34 | martianlobster | if I have a service running on port 137, and I do a tcpdump | grep 137 on that machine, then open a connection to port 137, and send some gibberish on that port, shouldn't it appear in the output from tcpdump ? |
| 17:53.38 | Masterkiller | hey i have 2gb installed memory (shows 2gb in bios) but in debian system monitor (and top) it only shows 885 (some is shared with video) |
| 17:53.46 | Masterkiller | any idea why its not showing all the ram? |
| 17:53.56 | valdyn | martianlobster: no? |
| 17:54.27 | jelly | martianlobster: which interface is tcpdump listening to? |
| 17:54.31 | DevilChaos | jelly: ill do a reboot and check then come back as im not sure was last week when i looked last at this problem be right back many thanks |
| 17:54.31 | martianlobster | eth0 |
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| 17:54.55 | valdyn | martianlobster: use the name for port 137 that is in your /etc/services |
| 17:54.56 | hark | Masterkiller: install a 686/amd64 kernel |
| 17:54.57 | jelly | martianlobster: and are you connecting to an IP of the very same local machine? |
| 17:55.10 | trpr | themill: the short answer seems to be the old sysv etc structure is being phased out. what i am seeing in there is like a compatibility layer to ease people into it |
| 17:55.17 | valdyn | martianlobster: or look in the manpage how to display known ports as numbers instead of names |
| 17:55.20 | martianlobster | I am connecting from another machine, using the eth0 interface |
| 17:55.37 | Masterkiller | hark, thanks, i'm using an AMD 2100 (few years old) you still suggest 686/amd kernel? |
| 17:55.39 | martianlobster | valdyn: ok |
| 17:56.06 | themill | trpr: right.... so "just follow a debian tutorial" seems to work for today but probably not tomorrow. (and no, I still don't know what's wrong with sysvinit) |
| 17:56.07 | magyar_ | hi, is lenny mysql install has by default three ANY accounts set? |
| 17:56.14 | trpr | themill: indeed |
| 17:56.36 | hark | Masterkiller: yes, what does uname -r say? |
| 17:56.43 | jelly | magyar_: any? |
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| 17:57.03 | Masterkiller | hark, 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 17:57.12 | magyar_ | jelly, |
| 17:57.14 | magyar_ | Any % -- USAGE |
| 17:57.21 | magyar_ | Any localhost No USAGE |
| 17:57.40 | magyar_ | Any my.server.com No USAGE |
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| 17:58.17 | valdyn | martianlobster: "tcpdump -i eth0 port 137" is saner then any of the above |
| 17:58.40 | martianlobster | thanks |
| 18:00.10 | hark | Masterkiller: install linux-image-686, it'll install the latest 686 kernel |
| 18:00.18 | Masterkiller | hark, thanks a million |
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| 18:01.09 | jelly | magyar_: what command do you get that output format from? |
| 18:01.29 | hark | there's k7 for etch too, but i'd go for a 686 |
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| 18:03.23 | jelly | martianlobster: add -n to tcpdump options to stop name resolving |
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| 18:04.19 | magyar_ | jelly, phpmyadmin or "SELECT * from mysql.user;" |
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| 18:04.42 | magyar_ | there are three that have no usernames meaning "Any" |
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| 18:05.13 | jelly | hum, those columns don't look like * in my mysql installation. |
| 18:05.55 | DevilChaos | jelly : usb support is enabled and usb legacy support is enabled aswell and those are the only 2 options for usb that are there |
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| 18:06.18 | DevilChaos | in the bios |
| 18:06.29 | Masterkiller | hark, got it installed but failing to load gdm. do i need to re-init my initrd? |
| 18:06.46 | martianlobster | jelly thanks |
| 18:06.52 | magyar_ | jelly, I just installed two mysqld-s on lenny and phpmyadmin shows three "*" users or Any |
| 18:07.09 | Masterkiller | didn't load my ethernet drivers either |
| 18:07.32 | hark | Masterkiller: are you using fglrx/nvidia drivers? |
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| 18:07.39 | Masterkiller | hark, i was yes |
| 18:07.49 | Masterkiller | nvidia |
| 18:07.51 | DevilChaos | use ati driver |
| 18:07.55 | DevilChaos | oops |
| 18:07.56 | jelly | magyar_: perhaps one of the mysql-related apps you installed added those. |
| 18:08.01 | Masterkiller | DevilChaos, hehe |
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| 18:08.29 | jelly | magyar_: I definitely don't see it in my (2007-lenny created, though) mysql-server |
| 18:08.55 | Masterkiller | hark, k ethernet issue had to do with nvidia driver also i believe. it swapped my eth1 and eth0 |
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| 18:09.01 | hark | Masterkiller: it'll have to be rebuilt |
| 18:09.11 | jelly | magyar_: it would be fun if it was phpmyadmin itself :-> |
| 18:09.18 | DevilChaos | jelly: any suggestions? |
| 18:09.26 | Masterkiller | hark, best way to do that? can it use the map from my old kernel or something? |
| 18:09.45 | DevilChaos | module-assistant |
| 18:10.00 | DevilChaos | build nvidia driver from source |
| 18:10.06 | hark | Masterkiller: you should already have the kernel source package installed, run the m-a command again |
| 18:10.16 | jelly | DevilChaos: apart from "mess with the initramfs image to make it load usbkbd or whatever module before asking for filesystem passwords", no, not at this time |
| 18:10.23 | magyar_ | jelly, kind of odd, these are high permissions, a big security hole |
| 18:10.24 | hark | Masterkiller: do an m-a prepare first |
| 18:10.43 | jelly | magyar_: I don't see what one can do with those permissions. |
| 18:10.50 | DevilChaos | jelly okey dokey thanks |
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| 18:11.05 | Masterkiller | hark, thanks, sorry but not sure exactly which step you are referring to for the build. do like a build sources? |
| 18:11.20 | hark | Masterkiller: how did you install the drivers in the first place? |
| 18:11.29 | DevilChaos | well i think you should just re do it through module-assistant |
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| 18:11.53 | DevilChaos | hark it should do the m-a part again for him yes? |
| 18:11.53 | themill | magyar_: I can't reproduce that here on a lenny machine. I get three *root* users created, but they have a username. What else have you installed? |
| 18:12.02 | Masterkiller | hark, been so long =/ old old debian server i just updated/upgraded today. think i installed the nvidia drivers manually? binary i believe |
| 18:12.11 | jelly | magyar_: that is, your columns don't look anything like columns show here with "select * from user" |
| 18:12.39 | magyar_ | jelly, I can access the mysql without username or password and have full "USAGE" pretty f-ed if you ask me |
| 18:12.41 | hark | DevilChaos: yes, but looks like he did not do it the debian way |
| 18:12.42 | themill | magyar_: you also need to give us an accurate example.... your select * is bullshit as jelly just noted too... don't make life hard for us. |
| 18:12.47 | Masterkiller | hark, i bet i can find that info somewhere i'll go search around and come back if i fail ;) thanks for all your help! |
| 18:13.04 | DevilChaos | i c |
| 18:13.17 | hark | Masterkiller: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 18:13.52 | DevilChaos | hark if im messing with the update initrmfs how do i get it to load usbkbd? |
| 18:13.55 | DevilChaos | module |
| 18:13.59 | jelly | magyar_: pastebin the output of "describe mysql.user" |
| 18:13.59 | magyar_ | themill, I don't know through which SQL command selection is phpmyadmin is able to display "Any" user accounts |
| 18:14.18 | dUc0N | Hey, all... I'm having some weird wireless issues on a laptop... it's got a switch to turn it off (phys switch, not an Fn-key or anything) and (like an idiot) I didn't leave it on when I killed vista... anyone know of a good way to force it to wake up? lspci shows it properly, there's no acpi entry for it though. |
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| 18:14.52 | jelly | magyar_: how do you know what that "USAGE" column means? |
| 18:14.53 | DevilChaos | drivers installed for it correctly? |
| 18:15.00 | valdyn | dUc0N: your kill switch might be supported thru sysfs |
| 18:15.24 | dUc0N | Thanks, valdyn, I'll manpage it... gonna camp incase that doesn't fix |
| 18:15.27 | valdyn | dUc0N: unless its a hardware kill switch, but then you wouldnt need to do anything |
| 18:15.43 | magyar_ | jelly, http://pastebin.ca/1356666 |
| 18:15.44 | DevilChaos | ah do i add modules to /etc/modules then do an update for the image? |
| 18:15.53 | hark | DevilChaos: you can put usbkbd in /etc/modules |
| 18:15.59 | DevilChaos | cool |
| 18:16.04 | dUc0N | valdyn, it is, but with a status light, which leads me to believe it's handled through some kinda software funkiness... switching on and rebooting didn't help, either |
| 18:16.07 | DevilChaos | so im on the right lines then] |
| 18:16.12 | valdyn | dUc0N: cd /sys ; find . -name rf_kill |
| 18:16.42 | jelly | DevilChaos: I think there's another place for initramfs modules; no idea if /etc/modules gets used for that purpose too |
| 18:16.50 | valdyn | dUc0N: on my tp i can let led lights be on and off however i want, totally unrelated to any device status |
| 18:17.08 | valdyn | dUc0N: so i wouldnt count on those lights |
| 18:17.13 | dUc0N | ducon@bt:/sys# find . -name wireless |
| 18:17.13 | dUc0N | ./class/net/wlan0/wireless |
| 18:17.20 | dUc0N | I got that much... |
| 18:17.38 | DevilChaos | well its worth a shot if it works it works if not i try again lol |
| 18:17.42 | dUc0N | Weird thing is, I got kismet to test it with... it works, but the wifi manager won't scan for some reason |
| 18:17.49 | DevilChaos | thanks for the help |
| 18:17.53 | jelly | magyar_: considering that description of mysql.user table, do you see why the output of "select * from mysql.user" you've shown above is weird? |
| 18:18.01 | farabi | ^Cc12^Cbhello^Cb^Cc04^Cu everybody^Cu^Cc! |
| 18:18.05 | farabi | sorry |
| 18:18.40 | hark | DevilChaos: yeah, see if that works otherwise we'll do it the other way using /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
| 18:18.46 | farabi | hello everybody |
| 18:18.47 | jelly | farabi: colors are bad, mkay |
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| 18:19.05 | farabi | jelly okay :) |
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| 18:19.58 | DevilChaos | going for reboot :) |
| 18:20.15 | themill | jelly: magyar_ keeps posting screen snippets from phpmyadmin while telling us they are from executing sql commands. The correspondence is, ah, poor. |
| 18:20.55 | jelly | I'll bet it's that php* thing that's creating the rows. :-> |
| 18:21.19 | jelly | it would be ironic enough. |
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| 18:24.17 | magyar_ | jelly, themill http://pastebin.ca/1356674 << direct sql |
| 18:24.40 | jelly | magyar_: what other mysql related apps are installed? |
| 18:25.17 | jelly | magyar_: select * from user done via mysql CLI client might provide more clues |
| 18:25.37 | jelly | (well, show actual grants given) |
| 18:25.55 | themill | SELECT Host, User, Password from mysql.user; may also be sufficient to see what's going on |
| 18:26.17 | jelly | wants to see exactly which privileges are given |
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| 18:28.09 | themill | jelly: for "usage"? that's normally N to everything |
| 18:28.29 | jelly | I have no idea what "usage" means |
| 18:28.45 | magyar_ | themill, http://pastebin.ca/1356676 |
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| 18:29.28 | themill | jelly: that's what magyar_ has been pasting ... it seems to be the phpmyadmin abbreviation for "no global privs" |
| 18:29.28 | jelly | magyar_: oh, you could have censored those passwords :-) |
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| 18:29.53 | jelly | oh, you did |
| 18:30.00 | jelly | \o/ |
| 18:30.07 | magyar_ | jelly, thay are, i chopped them in half ;) |
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| 18:30.48 | themill | "webadmin" "roundcube" ... |
| 18:30.55 | jelly | I see no user = '%' accounts. |
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| 18:31.15 | jelly | tho have no idea what user = '' means to mysql. |
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| 18:31.30 | magyar_ | themill, webadmin is just a user i created |
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| 18:32.10 | magyar_ | themill, roundcube is a debian package, removed from lenny in last minute I mind you |
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| 18:32.30 | magyar_ | themill, but another server has no roundcube |
| 18:32.34 | themill | magyar_: quite, because it's a buggy PoS that is routinely being hacked. |
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| 18:33.08 | magyar_ | jelly the user = '%' accounts. << only shows up in phpmyadmin |
| 18:33.09 | jelly | magyar_: the deafult installation gives you lines 4, 5, 9 (and maaybe 6) afaik |
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| 18:33.37 | magyar_ | jelly, yeap, thats what I remomber from default etch install |
| 18:33.53 | themill | 4,5,6 and 9 are created by default. |
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| 18:34.36 | themill | magyar_: did you specify a password for the root user to debconf? |
| 18:34.57 | gusnan | Just started having problems with Pidgin (ICQ account) - seems similar to bug 488852 - anyone else see this? This is on up to date stable. |
| 18:35.11 | magyar_ | so I am not sure what phpmyadmin is showing with user=any hostname=% password=-- global priviliges=USAGE |
| 18:35.36 | magyar_ | themill, sure did, that was the first thing i do |
| 18:35.38 | themill | magyar_: phpmyadmin being broken? never. |
| 18:35.45 | magyar_ | eheheeh |
| 18:35.46 | jelly | good heavens! |
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| 18:36.25 | magyar_ | anywho, i'll blow away the tree "Any" accounts just to be safe |
| 18:36.50 | themill | magyar_: there were only two in that paste btw. |
| 18:37.12 | magyar_ | lets call it a mystery for now |
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| 18:37.28 | jelly | magyar_: you didn't show which actual permissions those have. |
| 18:37.59 | jelly | take a look at select * from user and draw your own conclusions of how harmful those accounts are. |
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| 18:40.26 | jelly | (or analyze phpmyadmin code to see what it means when it shows you that output, or ask phpmyadmin people) |
| 18:40.55 | tourt | hello again. I didn't manage to sobre my RAID+LVM problem, but I found out that all my sata partitions (sdXY), they don't exists. Worst than that, mdadm detected a /dev/md0 that is simply all sata discs together... |
| 18:41.03 | tourt | I'm really puzzled here... |
| 18:41.30 | valdyn | tourt: mdadm raids dont just ghost to you, you must have created that |
| 18:41.48 | magyar_ | jelly, themill thanks, I'll do some more test see if I can duplicate these entries |
| 18:41.55 | valdyn | tourt: and you need to use the --zero-superblock feature on any raid member of raids that you do not want to use again |
| 18:42.05 | valdyn | tourt: and just maybe you should start reading the docs |
| 18:42.29 | themill | magyar_: perhaps turn up the logging in mysql so you can slowly add bits in and work out when extra entries appear |
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| 18:43.10 | magyar_ | themill, roger, thanks |
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| 18:53.38 | SirTophat | I'm trying to mount a ntfs partition with write/delete permissions, something told me to put a line in my sources.list and that line makes it say it's a 404 on it, and also it said to search with apt-get but apt-get search isn't a command and I looked in the man file and there's no search function |
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| 18:54.12 | stew | SirTophat: what is this "something" that told you to run "apt-get search"? |
| 18:54.20 | stew | SirTophat: and what was the line you put in your sources.list? |
| 18:54.41 | elik | stew, scary eh? |
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| 18:55.19 | SirTophat | deb http://backports.cisbg.com/debian etch-backports main and the website was http://mrtextminer.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/mount-windows-ntfs-partition-in-debian-etch/ it was the first result on google |
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| 18:55.33 | elik | SirTophat, what you are looking for is probably ntfs-3g, and apt-cache search |
| 18:55.34 | stew | SirTophat: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:55.39 | SirTophat | etch |
| 18:55.43 | SirTophat | etch is stable I think |
| 18:55.58 | elik | SirTophat, it is more than stable, as lenny is too |
| 18:55.59 | stew | SirTophat: etch is oldstable. lenny is stable |
| 18:56.06 | SirTophat | that's what I've been trying to find to install for two days, ntsf-3g |
| 18:56.19 | stew | SirTophat: that page doesn't say to run apt-get search. perhaps you want apt-cache search |
| 18:56.25 | SirTophat | ok |
| 18:56.42 | zinx | !info ntfs-3g etch |
| 18:56.59 | et | it's in etch |
| 18:57.06 | SirTophat | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.cisbg.com etch-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.cisbg.com_debian_dists_etch-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 18:57.09 | stew | SirTophat: it looks like that is no longer a valid backports mirror. see http://backports.org |
| 18:57.28 | stew | SirTophat: you should also consider upgrading to lenny (/msg dpkg etch->lenny) |
| 18:57.31 | zinx | et: not accounding to dpkg :x |
| 18:57.31 | elik | if it's in etch as et says... might as well not get into backport |
| 18:57.41 | zinx | erh, according |
| 18:57.46 | tourt | valdyn: you're absolute right about reading the docs. The strange here is that I created it all using the debian installer (not by hand!)... It's the first time that I get a bad installation using it! Using Gentoo LiveCD, I was able to create the RAID and mount the LVM Logical Volumes |
| 18:57.50 | zinx | !info ntfs-3g etch-backports |
| 18:57.53 | et | *scratches head* |
| 18:58.08 | elik | it's not in etch |
| 18:58.19 | zinx | should update to lenny anyway |
| 18:58.22 | et | oh, i got it from backports, right, sorry |
| 18:58.28 | zinx | even if it's in backports :/ |
| 18:58.31 | SirTophat | I'm not reinstalling the whole operating system |
| 18:58.32 | SirTophat | .-. |
| 18:58.42 | zinx | !tell SirTophat about etch->lenny |
| 18:58.50 | zinx | SirTophat: you don't have to. see dpkg's message. |
| 18:58.51 | stew | SirTophat: oh, according to the mirror list that should be "deb http://backports.cisbg.com/ etch-backports main" not http://backports.cisbg.com/debian |
| 18:58.55 | et | SirTophat: it's not "reinstalling" |
| 18:58.58 | SirTophat | it takes about two hours and I'm trying to just delete a files on my windows partition so I can get back to windows |
| 18:59.04 | SirTophat | ok |
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| 19:00.01 | acu | I want to make the mouse pointer BIG - as big as possible for an older person - I use GNOME can anyone tell me how to do it |
| 19:00.08 | et | SirTophat: and when do you plan to upgrade? |
| 19:00.16 | SirTophat | when I need to |
| 19:00.25 | jesselang | acu: in the appearance settings. |
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| 19:00.39 | jesselang | Under themes, you can customize the pointer. |
| 19:00.40 | SirTophat | I only use debian when I feel like trying programming things and stuff |
| 19:01.17 | zinx | acu: apt-cache search cursors for pointer themes |
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| 19:03.03 | tsb | When I installed a package (nagios-plugins), it required smbclient, which again requires input on my part. Can I use debconf-get-selections and chose nagios-plugins and then get all the deps it pulled in as well, or do I have to select smbclient manually? |
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| 19:04.43 | myeggo | NIÃO |
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| 19:04.44 | myeggo | sorry |
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| 19:05.04 | klikklak | here's a silly one: I was testing jaunty and then went back to lenny (after a year long pause). The thing is that I made a new disk in ext4 >.<. Now I get unknown filesystem type 'ext4' when ever I try to mount it. I've compiled 2.6.28 from source and just compiled 1.4.1.4 e2fsprogs |
| 19:05.14 | klikklak | so what should I do next? please don't say reformat |
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| 19:05.43 | tourt | valdyn: can I ask you to see my automatic generated file at http://pastebin.com/d3fdff9f0 ? |
| 19:06.00 | klikklak | arf. I just noticed that I didn't reboot after the kernel compile. maybe that'll help |
| 19:06.04 | SirTophat | now it's complaining about an old kernel versionb |
| 19:06.06 | SirTophat | version |
| 19:06.19 | SirTophat | I'll just run update .-. |
| 19:06.22 | stew | SirTophat: what exactly is it saying? |
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| 19:07.19 | SirTophat | WARNING: Deficient Linux kernel detected. Some driver features are not available (swap file on NTFS, boot from NTFS by LILO), and unmount is not safe unless it's made sure the ntfs-3g process naturally terminates after calling 'umount'. If you wish this message to disappear then you should upgrade to at least kernel version 2.6.20, or request help from your distribution to fix the kernel p |
| 19:07.20 | SirTophat | roblem. The below web page has more information: http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html#fuse26 |
| 19:07.58 | stew | SirTophat: you can get a 2.6.26 kernel from backports as well |
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| 19:08.11 | SirTophat | oh, nevermind, it's in the folder I mounted it to |
| 19:08.15 | SirTophat | doesn't matter. |
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| 19:09.23 | SirTophat | good, I removed the folders I wanted to that windows wouldn't let me from within it |
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| 19:09.53 | SirTophat | an antivirus that got messed up from something and the uninstaller thought it was alrready uninstalled. lol |
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| 19:10.27 | acu | jesselang: thanks |
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| 19:13.29 | SirTophat | I wish my graphics card was supported enough to not be in such a low res |
| 19:13.54 | SirTophat | it can't go above 1024x768 |
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| 19:15.55 | kjdro | hi there... can someone invite me to the chennel #debian-arm ? |
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| 19:16.35 | nareshov | !arm |
| 19:16.35 | dpkg | it has been said that arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable. |
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| 19:16.42 | nareshov | kjdro: ^ |
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| 19:17.03 | SirTophat | asdfasdf now windows is gona from the grub list. |
| 19:17.04 | dao5 | Hi guys.. Is it possible to setup multiple domains to receive/send mail on 1 mail server? |
| 19:17.13 | SirTophat | I forget what's the path to the grub file |
| 19:17.29 | nareshov | SirTophat: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 19:17.39 | asdf | grumbles |
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| 19:18.51 | SirTophat | lol, I highlighted you didn't I |
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| 19:19.20 | SirTophat | cna someone PM me the grub line for what windows looks like? I'll edit it from that |
| 19:19.31 | dao5 | anyone have any idea regarding my server question? |
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| 19:19.43 | SirTophat | I dunno what to put for root and kernel |
| 19:20.18 | SirTophat | I know it's sda2 |
| 19:20.34 | SirTophat | ??? |
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| 19:21.07 | CentHOGG | hi, anybody here vmware guest Debian? |
| 19:21.14 | keith4 | how does one tell if selinux is enabled? |
| 19:21.15 | dao5 | ya |
| 19:21.25 | keith4 | CentHOGG: plenty of 'em |
| 19:21.27 | dao5 | CentHOGG: I have a couple debian vmware guests |
| 19:21.44 | CentHOGG | hi, thx I'm having a tough time getting vmware tools on Debian 5 |
| 19:21.48 | SirTophat | for putting windows back onto my grub boot menu, what would I put for kernel and root |
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| 19:22.04 | SirTophat | not root, initrd |
| 19:22.09 | ajavid | hm |
| 19:22.11 | SirTophat | what's the initrd for windows vista |
| 19:22.13 | dao5 | mm haven't installed deb5 on vmware |
| 19:22.15 | CentHOGG | keith4: it says that the kernel is GCC 4.15 and the GCC from the library is GCC 4.3 |
| 19:22.17 | SirTophat | and kernel |
| 19:22.18 | dao5 | sorry CentHOGG |
| 19:22.18 | nareshov | !grub |
| 19:22.19 | dpkg | grub is, like, the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors> |
| 19:22.20 | CentHOGG | something like that |
| 19:22.21 | keith4 | windows doesn't use initrd |
| 19:22.27 | kjdro | thx to pointing me out where debian arm suport channel is :D |
| 19:22.30 | kjdro | csa |
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| 19:22.34 | SirTophat | so I don't put in kernel or initrd on it |
| 19:22.50 | keith4 | CentHOGG: you need to install gcc-4.1, and then "export CC=`which gcc-4.1`" before running the guest installer. that's all |
| 19:22.53 | CentHOGG | keith4: like the GCC is the later version, but the kernel is earlier |
| 19:22.56 | CentHOGG | ok |
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| 19:23.17 | dao5 | anyone here know if you can run multiple domains on 1 mail server? |
| 19:23.24 | CentHOGG | brb |
| 19:23.41 | simonrvn | dao5: of course |
| 19:23.44 | dao5 | lol |
| 19:23.45 | dao5 | i figured |
| 19:23.51 | dao5 | i just needed to confirm |
| 19:24.10 | dao5 | silly question thanks simonrvn |
| 19:24.12 | dao5 | =) |
| 19:24.16 | simonrvn | hehe ok |
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| 19:26.22 | SirTophat | I get an error when I try to load windows from grub now |
| 19:26.30 | SirTophat | how can I know what to put in the menu.lst |
| 19:27.08 | SirTophat | apparenbtly this is wrong |
| 19:27.12 | SirTophat | title Windows Vista |
| 19:27.12 | SirTophat | root (sda2) |
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| 19:27.39 | stew | SirTophat: /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/ should have eamples |
| 19:27.43 | simonrvn | there's examples in /usr/share/doc/grub* |
| 19:27.46 | dao5 | simonrvn: just to clarify -- i mean sending/receiving mail from multiple domains from one mailk server |
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| 19:28.05 | simonrvn | nothing changes |
| 19:28.16 | keith4 | SirTophat: www.lmgtfy.com/?q=grub+chain+load+windows |
| 19:28.26 | dao5 | what do you mean nothing changes? |
| 19:28.37 | dao5 | i just add the domain |
| 19:28.40 | dao5 | and add aliases |
| 19:28.41 | dao5 | ? |
| 19:28.49 | simonrvn | i'm running 3 domains off one mta here |
| 19:28.53 | backslash | Hey guys. I'm having some issues with my ati graphiccard. I was trying to set up dual head monitors using amdccle but I don't have the option "dual head", it's inactive. |
| 19:29.05 | backslash | I'm gonna paste some debug output of fglrxinfo and fgl_glxgears |
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| 19:29.27 | ajavid | backslash, use aticonfig --help |
| 19:29.39 | dao5 | hmm.. simonrvn: any useful tutorial or help file you know of? |
| 19:29.42 | CentHOGG | keith4: hi, just to verify I would use "export CC=gcc-4.1" |
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| 19:29.51 | dao5 | that would get me started.. searching google has not yielded many good "hits" |
| 19:29.57 | backslash | ajavid, If you just wait for my output |
| 19:29.58 | simonrvn | depends on what your mta is ;) |
| 19:30.00 | keith4 | CentHOGG: no |
| 19:30.02 | ajavid | backslash, first back up xorg.conf, run aticonfig --initial-dual-head or something, --help should tell you, then simply redit the xorg.conf and add the big desktop option |
| 19:30.06 | dao5 | good point |
| 19:30.07 | backslash | ajavid, glxgears gives me an error |
| 19:30.09 | backslash | hang on |
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| 19:30.15 | keith4 | CentHOGG: that's not what I wrote |
| 19:30.20 | CentHOGG | oh |
| 19:30.25 | simonrvn | and there's plenty of info on the web |
| 19:30.28 | CentHOGG | ok so exactly as you wrote |
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| 19:30.35 | dao5 | i'm using debian 4 |
| 19:30.38 | dao5 | prety sure |
| 19:31.07 | CentHOGG | export CC='which gcc-4.1' |
| 19:31.14 | dao5 | ill keep looking thru my google results |
| 19:31.55 | dao5 | thanks for your help |
| 19:31.56 | dao5 | =) |
| 19:32.02 | simonrvn | have fun |
| 19:32.08 | backslash | uhm.... How do I copy from xterm to firefox? :O |
| 19:32.20 | backslash | mark - ctrl-alt-insert isn't working |
| 19:32.27 | backslash | select* |
| 19:32.34 | zinx | backslash: just highlight then middle-click in firefox to paste |
| 19:32.52 | backslash | oh |
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| 19:33.00 | backslash | it's always different somehow :P thanks zinx |
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| 19:33.09 | simonrvn | and it's shift-insert to paste |
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| 19:33.31 | SirTophat | "bootmgr is missing" |
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| 19:33.37 | backslash | all right guys, here is it: http://pastie.org/411977 |
| 19:33.44 | backslash | ajavid, Maybe you could have a look too |
| 19:33.58 | SirTophat | why is debian, grub, and all these linux related things never anything but one step forward and two steps back |
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| 19:34.26 | simonrvn | dunno, i don't get that... |
| 19:34.37 | fatmike | hi |
| 19:34.53 | abrotman | SirTophat: there are other distros if you're unsatisfied with Debian |
| 19:34.53 | stew | SirTophat: what gave you that error? |
| 19:35.00 | fatmike | i'm running archlinux i686 and want to install debian-mipsel on an asus router via debootstrap |
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| 19:35.07 | stew | i have a feeling that error is actually coming from windows |
| 19:35.12 | SirTophat | grub |
| 19:35.12 | simonrvn | why is it with winblows you have to continually watch out for viruses? |
| 19:35.28 | simonrvn | stew: i'm pretty sure it is too |
| 19:35.28 | stew | SirTophat: how do you know it is grub and not windows? |
| 19:35.31 | CentHOGG | because it's 95% of the desktop market |
| 19:35.31 | fatmike | can anyone assist me? |
| 19:35.33 | SirTophat | I'm trying to boot windows from it, because something magically deleted windows from grub |
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| 19:35.35 | ajavid | why is it with macs that you have to keep paying so much for macs and its software |
| 19:35.38 | ajavid | ? |
| 19:35.39 | backslash | CentHOGG, lol no |
| 19:35.50 | abrotman | ajavid: ask #ihavetoomuchmoney |
| 19:35.59 | stew | SirTophat: try #grub or ##windows |
| 19:35.59 | CentHOGG | keith4: are you still there :) |
| 19:36.00 | simonrvn | should keep his trap shut sometimes... |
| 19:36.00 | ajavid | what? |
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| 19:36.08 | SirTophat | damnit I hate this |
| 19:36.14 | fatmike | how can i chroot into the new directory |
| 19:36.18 | stew | SirTophat: the error you are getting is a windows error |
| 19:36.21 | fatmike | all the binaries are mipsel bins |
| 19:36.22 | ajavid | fatmike, man chroot |
| 19:36.26 | backslash | ajavid, Could you look at this now: http://pastie.org/411977 ? That would be really great |
| 19:36.28 | SirTophat | nothing ever works at all and if I ever get even one small thing do to anything right it always screws up 500 other things in the process |
| 19:36.32 | ajavid | backslash, ok |
| 19:36.40 | backslash | You already told me how to do it but this is a error I get which is why I can't even do what you told me to |
| 19:36.43 | backslash | ajavid, thanks a lot! |
| 19:36.45 | simonrvn | fatmike: using chroot of course... ask #archlinux |
| 19:36.58 | fatmike | this is not an archlinux issue |
| 19:37.02 | ajavid | backslash, unlucky for you, I stopped support fglrx when I discovered I did not need it any longer |
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| 19:37.04 | SirTophat | and I think that ntfs-3g program is what deleted windows from grub |
| 19:37.08 | ajavid | backslash, what video card do you have? |
| 19:37.10 | simonrvn | SirTophat: maybe you're doing something wrong then |
| 19:37.15 | backslash | ajavid, X1900XT |
| 19:37.17 | fatmike | its just the problem of chrooting into a dir with mipsel bin from a i386 box |
| 19:37.20 | keith4 | CentHOGG: still not what I wrote |
| 19:37.21 | ajavid | backslash, same as me! |
| 19:37.23 | keith4 | getting closer, though |
| 19:37.23 | simonrvn | SirTophat: i very much doubt it |
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| 19:37.28 | ajavid | backslash, I have also X1900XT |
| 19:37.36 | backslash | ajavid, Oh really!? :D |
| 19:37.38 | backslash | Cool |
| 19:37.43 | stew | SirTophat: did you recently install a new kernel or upgrade a kernel? |
| 19:37.47 | ajavid | backslash, I personally use the open source radeon driver |
| 19:37.52 | backslash | ajavid, Maybe you can help me out with this then... Just if you have time of course |
| 19:37.52 | keith4 | CentHOGG: try "export CC=/path/to/gcc-4.1", since you apparently don't know what backticks are for |
| 19:37.55 | stew | SirTophat: there is no way ntfs-3g had anything to do with it |
| 19:38.08 | SirTophat | yeah I think I updated the kernel |
| 19:38.08 | backslash | ajavid, I'd like to use the OS driver too but all howtos refer to the fglrx driver with the control panel |
| 19:38.16 | backslash | ajavid, Did you just edit the xorg.conf yourself then? |
| 19:38.36 | simonrvn | stew: it's convenient to blame something that isn't to blame ;P |
| 19:38.52 | ma3x | hi i run lenny on a virtual server and every time i log in i get -bash: /dev/null: Permission denied. despite i alreday set it to crw-rw-rw- it's always being reset to -rw-------. any ideas/hints? |
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| 19:39.04 | stew | SirTophat: that would have regenerated portions of your menu.lst, I'd guess that you didn't actually read the comments in menu.lst and put the windows confiuration into the 'automagic' section which gets replaced when update-grub is run |
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| 19:39.10 | ajavid | backslash, you can do sid+experimental's xorg plus radeon driver for 3d, or lenny + radeon for no3d but still free |
| 19:39.25 | backslash | ajavid, By 3d you mean compiz? |
| 19:39.41 | ajavid | backslash, that is a part of 3d, sure, but not required, I mean just 3d accel |
| 19:39.54 | backslash | ajavid, Well, yeah, I'd like that in order to play cs: source |
| 19:39.55 | backslash | :P |
| 19:40.03 | SirTophat | yeah stew |
| 19:40.15 | ajavid | backslash, regarding your error, I don't have any information |
| 19:40.18 | SirTophat | it wasi n there from when I installed debian |
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| 19:40.27 | backslash | ajavid, How do I enable sid and experimental? |
| 19:40.38 | wagasty1 | hello |
| 19:40.38 | backslash | ajavid, Just add "unstable experimental" to the end of the line? |
| 19:40.55 | stew | SirTophat: it wasn't in the automagic section which is the part that would have been replaced upon upgrade |
| 19:40.55 | ajavid | no |
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| 19:40.57 | ajavid | do not do that |
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| 19:41.09 | backslash | ajavid, Okay how then |
| 19:41.13 | SirTophat | eh they're helping with it in #grub |
| 19:41.13 | ajavid | backslash, its not a ati or fglrx specific issue, its something to do with xorg |
| 19:41.22 | backslash | uh |
| 19:41.30 | ajavid | backslash, I googled your error and saw that nvidia users also get this error, so it leads me to believe that its not specific to ati |
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| 19:41.57 | ajavid | you also have indirect rendering, so its probably a library mismatch |
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| 19:42.05 | ajavid | could be missing libs |
| 19:42.07 | backslash | ajavid, Okay.... |
| 19:42.08 | ajavid | I'm not too sure |
| 19:42.20 | backslash | ajavid, Do you have any idea of how I could find out what I'm missing? |
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| 19:42.37 | ajavid | it was just a conjecture |
| 19:42.42 | backslash | yh sure |
| 19:42.42 | ajavid | I'm not positive if anything is missing |
| 19:42.49 | backslash | hmpf |
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| 19:42.56 | backslash | sometimes it's hard to like linux lol |
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| 19:43.23 | ajavid | I personally built myself the xorg7.4 from git sources |
| 19:43.44 | ajavid | but I heard from gravity and few others that the quality of xorg7.4 in experimental is very good and stable |
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| 19:44.06 | ajavid | I personally don't use it, but I use my own setup, sid, experimetnal stuff, radeon (for 3d) |
| 19:44.21 | ajavid | I play games and it all works fine, though I'm not sure how debian savvy you are, if you should do that or not |
| 19:44.21 | backslash | okay |
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| 19:44.46 | backslash | so ajavid, all you have is basiclly a newer version of xorg from experimental and the radeon driver? |
| 19:45.23 | ajavid | for 3d to work in radeon driver for 1900xt (my card too) you need mesa/dri/xorg7.4 from git (or use experimetal packages) and yes, that will provide 3d accel for free using free drivers |
| 19:45.41 | ajavid | like I said, its been some time since I kept up with fglrx or tried to support it, as I don't need it anymore |
| 19:45.54 | backslash | ajavid, That sounds fairly cool |
| 19:46.31 | backslash | ajavid, What exactly do you mean by mesa/dri/xorg7.4? These are all seperate packages right? |
| 19:46.41 | backslash | I guess I'm gonna check them out from experimental |
| 19:47.13 | backslash | ajavid, sid or experimental? |
| 19:47.24 | ajavid | backslash, well basically if you're on sid/unstable, you'd simply add a repository for experimental, and aptitude -t experimental install xserver-xorg (which will upgrade you to anew xorg 7.4) including all the rest of the components |
| 19:47.45 | ajavid | backslash, then you simply configure your xorg.conf as you like, and use the device driver "radeon" |
| 19:47.59 | backslash | cool |
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| 19:48.31 | stew | backslash: what version of debian are you running? and how experienced are you with debian when things go wrong? |
| 19:48.38 | ajavid | backslash, beware, this method for you is not supporte here by anyone, only I'm advising this, if you feel brave enough to play, go ahead |
| 19:48.59 | backslash | stew, Not too experienced I guess, just basic knowledge |
| 19:49.04 | ajavid | backslash, I am merely suggesting this as for you to experiment, if things go wrong, and they can, and probably will, be ready |
| 19:49.10 | backslash | It's not a too important machine I'll just give it a shot |
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| 19:49.17 | stew | backslash: what version of debian are you running |
| 19:49.17 | ajavid | backslash, I still have second thoughts about my suggestion though |
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| 19:49.29 | stew | backslash: you should probably not be using experimental |
| 19:50.28 | backslash | stew, debian 5.0 |
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| 19:50.34 | backslash | is what /etc/debian_version tells me |
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| 19:50.42 | SirTophat | yeah, they're not even responding in #grub. I get error while parsing number when I try to boot vista. title Windows Vista boot menu rootnoverify (sda2) makeactive chainloader +1 |
| 19:50.46 | stew | backslash: then you should not be directly installing packages from experimental |
| 19:50.46 | backslash | stew, why not, because of my lack of knowledge? |
| 19:51.10 | stew | backslash: yes, and becuase you should not mix them with stable, becuase they are compiled against libraries in unstable and experimental |
| 19:51.17 | ajavid | backslash, no, more complications |
| 19:51.30 | stew | SirTophat: try ##windows for help booting windows |
| 19:51.37 | ajavid | backslash, as I said before, 'IF' you're on sid, then only, but nevermind this |
| 19:51.39 | SirTophat | it's nothing to do with windows, it's grub |
| 19:51.42 | ajavid | backslash, show your error to stw |
| 19:51.43 | backslash | allllllllright this is starting to sounds rather weird |
| 19:51.46 | ajavid | backslash, show your error to stew |
| 19:51.48 | stew | SirTophat: it has nothing to do with debian |
| 19:52.02 | PriitM | Hi backslash |
| 19:52.05 | SirTophat | and #grub is unresponsive and most debianers know something about grub |
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| 19:52.16 | backslash | stew, could you throw an eye on this error I get? http://pastie.org/411977 |
| 19:52.25 | backslash | PriitM, Ohai priit maximus :D |
| 19:52.29 | backslash | long time no see |
| 19:52.32 | PriitM | indeed |
| 19:52.33 | stew | SirTophat: there are examples for what to put into grub to boot windows in /usr/share/doc/grub/examples |
| 19:52.54 | stew | backslash: i'm not the one to ask about non-free drivers |
| 19:52.57 | SirTophat | I used the windows one |
| 19:53.04 | SirTophat | and edited the thing to sda2 |
| 19:53.06 | backslash | PriitM, Stop CTCP VERSIONing me ;) |
| 19:53.13 | backslash | stew, All right, thanks anyway.... |
| 19:53.20 | PriitM | ;_; |
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| 19:53.29 | ajavid | backslash, sorry dude, I thought he might help troubleshoot |
| 19:53.38 | ajavid | backslash, I also do not support non-free drivers :( |
| 19:53.49 | SirTophat | someone finally replied in #grub anyway |
| 19:53.50 | patrikf | mesa? non-free drivers? |
| 19:53.52 | SirTophat | rudeley, at that |
| 19:53.53 | ajavid | backslash, I used to, when I needed them, but I don't need them any more |
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| 19:54.30 | backslash | ajavid, Yeah sure :P Wouldn't be too bad if I *could* use open drivers |
| 19:54.31 | ajavid | backslash, be daring, be brave, take a step into it and try to elarn stuff as you do it, if this machien aint much, go with it man, first you need to upgrade to sid |
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| 19:54.42 | stew | ajavid: please stop |
| 19:54.51 | backslash | ajavid, All right, how do I do that ^^ "upgrade to sid" |
| 19:54.56 | abrotman | you don't |
| 19:55.00 | stew | backslash: you don't want sid |
| 19:55.06 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 19:55.11 | PriitM | backslash, sid is pain in a bottom when you're not really good |
| 19:55.12 | backslash | stew, I have time and this machine ain't important, that's not a problem |
| 19:55.16 | PriitM | with linussx |
| 19:55.21 | backslash | orly whai is that |
| 19:55.25 | backslash | nothing works or what? |
| 19:55.33 | amphi | !sid |
| 19:55.33 | dpkg | sid is, like, the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 19:55.58 | backslash | kkkkkk |
| 19:56.02 | ajavid | backslash, appanrently they don't want you to learn by doing |
| 19:56.06 | foetus | sid - desktop ok, server no..never |
| 19:56.14 | abrotman | ajavid: not unless you're going to be his support lackey |
| 19:56.21 | ajavid | hey I warned him |
| 19:56.25 | PriitM | debian testing is perfect for desktop |
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| 19:56.31 | abrotman | warning is not support |
| 19:56.32 | ajavid | I told him explicity this would not be supported |
| 19:56.39 | backslash | HOW DO I SET UP DUAL HEAD WITH ATI X1900XT !!!!!! |
| 19:56.44 | backslash | I JUST WANT TWO MONITORS |
| 19:56.47 | stew | backslash: please turn off your caps lock |
| 19:56.49 | backslash | It's too easy with nvidia :P |
| 19:57.05 | ajavid | I have the exact same gfx card and 2 monitors hooked up right now |
| 19:57.06 | Thurin1 | If I took a hard disk (Debian) from one machine with the stock kernel and popped it into another machine, besides the driver updating, would there be any other problems that I might encounter? |
| 19:57.07 | ajavid | :/ |
| 19:57.17 | PriitM | It would be easy with ATI as well, if that company wouldn't be such jerk |
| 19:57.35 | ajavid | nvidia are still the jerks, ati opened driver specs |
| 19:57.42 | foetus | testing - a waste of time for the normal user, a gral for the developer, a pain for the administrator.. |
| 19:57.43 | ajavid | who is the real jerk? |
| 19:57.46 | PriitM | Oh ;; |
| 19:57.58 | backslash | stew, PriitM They do have a prop driver with a control panel but the Dual head option aint activeable for me due to some errors whose logs noone here understands |
| 19:57.59 | nkuttler | ati is desperate.. |
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| 19:58.18 | backslash | sorry stew not really to you implicitly :P |
| 19:58.24 | ajavid | backslash, they won't support close drivers here, they also wont' let me help with open drivers |
| 19:58.30 | ajavid | I'm just wondernig wtf is going on. |
| 19:58.41 | backslash | what do you think I'm wondering here lol |
| 19:58.50 | backslash | hmmm |
| 19:58.57 | ajavid | I've never seen this before and I've been here more than 7 years |
| 19:58.58 | backslash | this is baaaad |
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| 19:59.01 | stew | ajavid: you were telling him to mix stable with experimental, and that is not a good idea, and is going to quickly get him into dependency problems he has no idea how to solve |
| 19:59.04 | backslash | WOW! |
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| 19:59.15 | backslash | stew, He was not telling me that afaik |
| 19:59.16 | ajavid | stew, no I was not, you need to pay more attention to what you read. |
| 19:59.23 | ajavid | stew, twice, I clarified myself. |
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| 19:59.28 | backslash | stew, He said I should upgrade to sid and then use experimental stuff |
| 19:59.33 | backslash | He also told me NOT to mix it |
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| 19:59.42 | foetus | stable - thats it, but only with an selfcompiled kernel and some modifications, very powerful and secure :) |
| 19:59.52 | PriitM | stable has awfully old packages |
| 19:59.59 | backslash | idd |
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| 20:00.04 | PriitM | also I need backports if I use stable |
| 20:00.07 | TimRiker | can I can "apt-get dist-upgrade" to run without prompting for anything? ie: just take the defaults? |
| 20:00.21 | backslash | I need a drink brb........ |
| 20:00.26 | valdyn | TimRiker: dpkg-reconfigure debconf, set to non-interactive |
| 20:00.27 | paxcoder | "The platform you are running is not supported by this tool" says my update manager. What's happening? |
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| 20:00.32 | foetus | with some modifications, i told |
| 20:00.33 | stew | TimRiker: DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:00.34 | paxcoder | doesn't list squeeze |
| 20:00.35 | ajavid | listen, if you're not going to help him get dual head on fglrx atix1900xt, then the only way left is to use what I suggested, there is NO OTHER WAY as there are no other drivers left... |
| 20:00.35 | valdyn | TimRiker: and apt-get -y dist-upgrade |
| 20:00.40 | TimRiker | I tried apt-get -qq dist-upgrade and DEBIAN_FRONTEND='noninteractive' apt-get -qq dist-upgrade |
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| 20:00.49 | paxcoder | says testing/unstable (Lenny/Sid) |
| 20:01.00 | elik | eh |
| 20:01.03 | elik | lenny is stable |
| 20:01.19 | paxcoder | help? |
| 20:01.22 | PriitM | lenny is testing imo |
| 20:01.24 | foetus | elik: you must know it |
| 20:01.27 | stew | PriitM: no, its stable |
| 20:01.31 | ajavid | there is vesa, no good for him, fglrx, you won't help with, only driver left that can do 3d is in experimental |
| 20:01.34 | ajavid | so what do you do? |
| 20:01.42 | TimRiker | and dpkg still stops with things like bashrc changes. |
| 20:01.43 | ajavid | got any solutions for this poor chap here? |
| 20:01.46 | elik | PriitM, sorry, but yo has nothing to do with it |
| 20:01.53 | valdyn | paxcoder: you are on an old sid or lenny |
| 20:01.57 | Thurin1 | If I took a hard disk (Debian) from one machine with the stock kernel and popped it into another machine, besides the driver updating, would there be any other problems that I might encounter? |
| 20:02.02 | PriitM | When did etch become oldstable!? |
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| 20:02.12 | stew | PriitM: Feb 14th |
| 20:02.12 | ajavid | PriitM, when lenny 5.0 was stable |
| 20:02.14 | TimRiker | PriitM: when lenny became stable. |
| 20:02.16 | valdyn | PriitM: /topic |
| 20:02.20 | int80_h | so I have used apt-cache to find all packages accosiated with shorewall, would I use apt-cache to find the locations of the files in these packages, or is there a different utility for me to use? |
| 20:02.25 | paxcoder | valdyn: i had lenny when it was testing. my repos are all set on "testing", and updated. what's up? |
| 20:02.26 | elik | PriitM, you read the news? |
| 20:02.28 | stew | paxcoder: if says "testing/unstable (Lenny/Sid)" you are running old packages from when lenny was testing. you should first upgrade to lenny |
| 20:02.35 | PriitM | elik, not really |
| 20:02.38 | elik | paxcoder, you're on squeeze |
| 20:02.43 | stew | no, he's not |
| 20:02.46 | TimRiker | stew, valdyn: so that's what I thought when I did: DEBIAN_FRONTEND='noninteractive' apt-get -qq dist-upgrade but it still prompts. |
| 20:03.03 | elik | stew, uh? |
| 20:03.10 | ajavid | but if he has testing in soruces and not lenny, then he is running testing still... right? |
| 20:03.16 | ajavid | what is in the soruces? |
| 20:03.17 | stew | paxcoder: change sources.list to "lenny" then upgrade to that before you upgrade to testing |
| 20:03.19 | paxcoder | stew: sorry? I'm had lenny. How can I update to what's past? |
| 20:03.26 | valdyn | paxcoder: its not updated |
| 20:03.34 | backslash | ajavid, Yeah so your way is the only possible one which is why I'm gonna try it. |
| 20:03.34 | paxcoder | valdyn: what's not? |
| 20:03.41 | backslash | ajavid, If you can help me out at the beginning |
| 20:03.41 | valdyn | paxcoder: or in apt-get terminology , not upgraded |
| 20:03.45 | ajavid | backslash, first try #ati |
| 20:03.48 | valdyn | paxcoder: your packages are not |
| 20:03.52 | backslash | Don't worry I'm not gonna bother you for the rest of my life after that |
| 20:03.55 | stew | paxcoder: you are running and old version of lenny packages. you should first upgrade to the released versions |
| 20:03.59 | ajavid | backslash, i'd love to, but I don't want the wrath of the cheif special agent upon my head |
| 20:04.03 | ajavid | er.. op |
| 20:04.12 | elik | stew, what's wrong with staying on testing and keeping up with the upgrades? |
| 20:04.17 | ajavid | which is why I'm asking them too, whats a good solution for you |
| 20:04.20 | nkuttler | !tell int80_h about search |
| 20:04.25 | ajavid | so far they have not replied |
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| 20:04.32 | stew | TimRiker: DEBCONF_FRONTEND not DEBIAN_FRONTEND afaik |
| 20:04.37 | ajavid | just hang tight |
| 20:04.43 | elik | stew, wouldn't that mean you stay on testing, no matter what happens with the releases? |
| 20:04.44 | paxcoder | stew: how did that happen? |
| 20:04.47 | int80_h | nkuttler: yes do, tell :) |
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| 20:05.03 | nkuttler | int80_h: check your PMs |
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| 20:05.12 | stew | elik: just having 'testing' in sources.list doens't mean packages get upgraded |
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| 20:05.23 | PriitM | I suppose I'm using debian stable then |
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| 20:05.24 | TimRiker | stew: hmm. DEBIAN_FRONTEND works for simple apt-gets installs. would it be different for dist-upgrade? |
| 20:05.28 | themill | paxcoder: either you didn't keep up to date or you're using a mirror that isn't up to date. The former is more likely than the latter. |
| 20:05.32 | int80_h | nkuttler : it appears I have that disabled. huh |
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| 20:05.37 | stew | TimRiker: no, it would be the same |
| 20:05.38 | elik | stew, ??? well, of course not, but doing aptitude full-upgrade does.. |
| 20:05.49 | nkuttler | !search |
| 20:05.50 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt, or <bot help> |
| 20:05.58 | paxcoder | themill: oh. mirror could be the thing. although that is really messed up. |
| 20:06.04 | stew | paxcoder: what does "apt-cache policy base-files" say for "Installed:"? |
| 20:06.27 | paxcoder | stew: 5.0 |
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| 20:06.43 | elik | stew, if I had testing in my sources.list, doing the upgrades after Feb 14th means you get squeeze packages, no? |
| 20:06.55 | themill | elik: only if you *do* the upgrades though. |
| 20:06.57 | int80_h | nkuttler: thanks :) |
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| 20:07.08 | stew | elik: yes |
| 20:07.20 | elik | themill, stew, right right |
| 20:07.25 | jelly-home | elik: only if you did and update after that date as well! :-> |
| 20:07.29 | paxcoder | stew: themill: i have testing in my sources.list |
| 20:07.31 | jelly-home | an* update |
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| 20:07.40 | stew | paxcoder: i don't know why /etc/debian_version wasn't updated then, unless you edited that file yourself at some point |
| 20:07.51 | paxcoder | lol no |
| 20:08.14 | paxcoder | stew: perhaps a mirror like themill said then, but that makes no sense |
| 20:08.31 | stew | judd: versions base-files |
| 20:08.31 | judd | stew: base-files -- etch: 4 etch-backports: 4.0.1~bpo40+1 lenny: 5 sid: 5.0 squeeze: 5.0 |
| 20:08.37 | TimRiker | *** limits.conf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? -- for example. |
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| 20:09.07 | valdyn | TimRiker: -y was used ? |
| 20:09.15 | stew | paxcoder: you might try: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall base-files |
| 20:09.16 | TimRiker | both with -y and with -qq |
| 20:09.38 | stew | TimRiker: perhaps becuase that's ucf and not debconf? |
| 20:09.41 | paxcoder | stew: "what does that (button) do?" |
| 20:10.16 | valdyn | TimRiker: generally overwriting config files is probably not such a good idea |
| 20:10.16 | paxcoder | is there a way to check mirrors? |
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| 20:10.43 | stew | paxcoder: replaces the conffiles in the base-files package (of which /etc/debian_version is one) |
| 20:10.46 | themill | paxcoder: it can't be a mirror problem -- you have the right version of the package installed. |
| 20:11.07 | TimRiker | valdyn: obviously. in this case my own cfengine scripts will run after they upgrade to update any needed config files. |
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| 20:11.16 | paxcoder | stew: what would that solve? |
| 20:11.26 | paxcoder | themill: then i really don't know. |
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| 20:11.40 | TimRiker | valdyn: so I just want it to take the defaults for everything and finish. |
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| 20:12.07 | stew | paxcoder: it would replace your /etc/debian_version with the correct one |
| 20:12.09 | valdyn | TimRiker: i havent tried yes |
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| 20:12.27 | paxcoder | stew: is that all it would do? |
| 20:12.32 | TimRiker | DEBIAN_FRONTEND='noninteractive' apt-get -y -qq dist-upgrade</dev/null still hangs... example: *** login.defs (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? |
| 20:12.33 | valdyn | TimRiker: but maybe thats worth a try, or what stew listed works already |
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| 20:12.51 | stew | paxcoder: no, it would also potentially replace the other files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.conffiles |
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| 20:13.09 | valdyn | TimRiker: DEBIAN instead of DEBCONF? is that the same? |
| 20:13.21 | stew | paxcoder: at some point ou must have edited /etc/debian_version, which is why yours it not being updated now, which might be causing the problem you originally came here for |
| 20:13.23 | paxcoder | stew: would it potentially mess anything up? |
| 20:13.37 | paxcoder | i didn't. |
| 20:13.41 | paxcoder | why would i? |
| 20:13.44 | TimRiker | valdyn: again, DEBIAN_FRONTEND is the documented one that works fine with apt-get installs. |
| 20:13.45 | stew | paxcoder: someone else did then |
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| 20:14.01 | valdyn | TimRiker: yes | your command |
| 20:14.09 | TimRiker | http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2001/10/msg00423.html for this conversation from 2001 |
| 20:14.15 | stew | paxcoder: did you customize any of the other files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.conffiles ? |
| 20:14.17 | paxcoder | stew: something else? |
| 20:14.43 | paxcoder | stew: all i changed in apt regard was sources and that priority file (pinning) |
| 20:14.48 | TimRiker | valdyn: tried yes '' | but that hangs... trying with just yes| next. |
| 20:14.48 | backslash | Thanks for your effort ajavid, G'bye |
| 20:15.02 | stew | paxcoder: then the command I gave you wouldn't mess anything else up |
| 20:15.49 | TimRiker | is there a command line way to set frontend? perhaps I should do that first, instead of the env var? then I can reset it after the dist-upgrade? |
| 20:16.03 | valdyn | TimRiker: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 20:16.35 | TimRiker | valdyn: looking for a noninteractive way to set it. |
| 20:16.43 | TimRiker | I have a few thousand machines to upgrade. |
| 20:16.56 | paxcoder | stew: i did that, it did something to some packages i installed via pinning, but the version is still 5.0 |
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| 20:17.15 | valdyn | TimRiker: the file /etc/debconf.conf |
| 20:17.27 | nicholas__ | anyone knows how to perform variable substitution in .conffiles when generating a .deb package ? |
| 20:17.37 | stew | paxcoder: can you be more specific than "did something to some packages" ? |
| 20:17.47 | stew | paxcoder: and what do you mean by "the version is still 5.0" ? |
| 20:18.10 | paxcoder | stew: it said {u}, I don't know what it means. don't use aptitude |
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| 20:18.17 | paxcoder | stew: want a paste? |
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| 20:18.59 | stew | paxcoder: sure |
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| 20:19.00 | TimRiker | valdyn: hmm. I looked there. I don't see the setting for frontend |
| 20:19.30 | paxcoder | stew: http://pastebin.com/d6c2d4c53 |
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| 20:20.07 | paxcoder | stew: guess it removed them ;-/ |
| 20:20.32 | paxcoder | *no wink |
| 20:20.33 | stew | paxcoder: the packages with {u} are packages marked as being automatically installed which it is removing as the are no longer needed to satisfy dependencies |
| 20:20.42 | paxcoder | oh ok. |
| 20:20.51 | paxcoder | funny apt-get didn't say anything about them |
| 20:20.56 | valdyn | TimRiker: oo, same |
| 20:21.03 | elik | stew, what about {a}? and where can I find all the others? man aptitude? |
| 20:21.08 | valdyn | TimRiker: strace seem to think its /var/cache/debconf/config.dat-new |
| 20:21.14 | stew | paxcoder: apt-get probably would have if you ran "apt-get autoremove" |
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| 20:21.23 | valdyn | TimRiker: or just config.dat |
| 20:21.27 | stew | elik: {a} means automatically installing |
| 20:21.37 | stew | elik: not the manpage. I don't know of a place they are documented |
| 20:21.42 | elik | stew, to meet dependecies I guess |
| 20:21.46 | elik | stew, oh, sad |
| 20:21.50 | paxcoder | stew: yeah, it usually says something during regular install. perhaps i missed it. anyway, can't fire up update-notifier now (upgraded via apt-get), but i'll get back once something new arrives. |
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| 20:22.08 | stew | paxcoder: what does /etc/debian_version say now? |
| 20:22.12 | nicholas__ | anyone knows how to perform variable substitution in .conffiles when generating a .deb package ? |
| 20:22.15 | TimRiker | valdyn: yep.. Name: debconf/frontend |
| 20:22.26 | paxcoder | stew: squeeze/sid |
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| 20:22.47 | TimRiker | trying with debconf-set-selections |
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| 20:23.10 | nahetss | i did a debian installation on a box like 5 years ago, and since that time, i used unstable sources and everything used to be just great. updates used to work just fine. its like a month ago, 1st apache, then php and now mysql. grrr its an isue of .conf files i know. older versions had difrent config files and the new versions dont support them i guess. and this really sux. |
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| 20:24.26 | stew | nahetss: if you want help. you'll have to ask us more specific questions |
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| 20:25.02 | nahetss | do I need to reinstall everything? |
| 20:25.54 | stew | nahetss: no |
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| 20:25.55 | nahetss | what do you suggest/ |
| 20:25.55 | nahetss | ? |
| 20:26.03 | nahetss | all im saying is that if you upgrade and upgrade all the time with unstable sources, its messing up everything slowly |
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| 20:26.09 | stew | nahetss: i suggest you ask more specific questions |
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| 20:26.28 | stew | nahetss: i'd also suggest not using unstable |
| 20:26.32 | keith4 | not that you should listen to me, but i suggest you don't use unstable if you're not prepared to have... unstableness |
| 20:26.32 | valdyn | nahetss: it doesnt do that for people who actually bother to read the changelog |
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| 20:27.01 | nahetss | What? |
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| 20:27.19 | nahetss | apache versions older than version 2+ DO have problems with the configuration files. |
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| 20:28.00 | stew | nahetss: unstable doesn't have apache versions older than 2 |
| 20:28.18 | keith4 | is 1.3 even maintained upstream anymore? |
| 20:28.31 | dennda | With ant: Is the error The <ftp> type doesn't support the "retriesallowed" attribute. related to only ant 1.6 being available? It works on 1.7 but on 1.6 I get that error. Is this simply a versioning thing? |
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| 20:28.44 | nahetss | stew: yeah. i am running this box for plenty years. |
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| 20:29.04 | nahetss | almost 7 years |
| 20:29.07 | stew | nahetss: ok |
| 20:29.50 | nahetss | what do YOU suggest pleasE??? |
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| 20:29.59 | valdyn | is apache 1.x even in lenny? |
| 20:30.06 | dargblaf | Anyone got an idea why when a computer enables an interface it stands around waiting for some time? (pxeboot with dhcp, everything works as far as I can see http://debian.pastebin.com/d344d3c45 ) |
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| 20:30.41 | valdyn | nahetss: this is quite amazing, what you did there |
| 20:30.50 | nahetss | what is? |
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| 20:31.17 | TimRiker | it looks like I need to get --force-confnew passed into dpkg... still huntung. |
| 20:31.22 | TimRiker | er hunting. :) |
| 20:31.28 | johnrw | anyone know how to relax the passwd requirements? |
| 20:31.34 | valdyn | nahetss: upgrading unstable sid while running and having installed packages that are no longer supported |
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| 20:31.50 | valdyn | nahetss: what about your backups? |
| 20:31.52 | VidiVici | anyone tried a xen config with debian as dom0 bastion and mutiple openVP on DomU? |
| 20:32.04 | valdyn | !info apache lenny |
| 20:32.24 | nahetss | valdyn: I guess so |
| 20:32.28 | valdyn | judd: versions apache |
| 20:32.28 | judd | valdyn: apache -- etch: 1.3.34-4.1+etch1 |
| 20:32.33 | johnrw | lppasswd: Sorry, password rejected. |
| 20:32.35 | johnrw | Your password must be at least 6 characters long, cannot contain |
| 20:32.36 | valdyn | !etch |
| 20:32.36 | johnrw | your username, and must contain at least one letter and number. |
| 20:32.36 | dpkg | methinks etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to start planning your upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Etch release notes and upgrade instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes Also ask me about <oldstable> and <oldstable security>. Currently <4.0r7>. |
| 20:32.49 | valdyn | judd: and apache was dropped some time in 2007 |
| 20:32.50 | judd | valdyn: Error: "and" is not a valid command. |
| 20:32.51 | TimRiker | even setting debconf to noninteractive in using debconf-set-selections _still_ stops and prompts. |
| 20:32.58 | valdyn | nahetss: ^^ |
| 20:33.13 | nahetss | that box is running for our network needs.. and it has to be there nomatter what. and im not into reinstalling new os's or what. |
| 20:33.30 | TimRiker | johnrw: check /etc/pam.d/passwd-common ? |
| 20:33.48 | keith4 | you've been running unstable for 7 years on a mission-critical production box?! |
| 20:33.49 | valdyn | nahetss: dont complain that something broke, when its entirely your fault |
| 20:33.52 | stew | nahetss: we'd strongly suggest you stick with stable for boxes that 'have to be there nomatter what.' |
| 20:33.56 | valdyn | nahetss: downgrading is not supported |
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| 20:33.59 | TimRiker | johnrw: sry.. /etc/pam.d/common-password |
| 20:34.14 | stew | nahetss: if you want us to help you fix whatever is broken, you'll have to ask more specific questions |
| 20:34.41 | johnrw | TimRiker: ok... thanks... (I mean a printer should not have complex passwd requirements...) |
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| 20:34.48 | valdyn | nahetss: you can reinstall etch or reinstall lenny or manually downgrade. In case you want to install or downgrade to lenny you should also migrate to apache2 |
| 20:35.05 | stew | in any case, you should migrate to apache2 |
| 20:35.11 | valdyn | nahetss: i wouldnt even try downgrading to etch |
| 20:35.21 | nahetss | i do want to keep on way updated to that box.. even though, ive used unstable sources a lot before i tried them on that box.. |
| 20:35.37 | keith4 | !unstable |
| 20:35.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq><apt-listbugs><apt-listchanges>. |
| 20:35.55 | TimRiker | johnrw: keep in mind, that once you have shell access, getting root is easier, then you can tcpdump and grab other bits from the network etc. ie: there are no low-security boxes if you want the network secure. |
| 20:36.03 | nahetss | i uncomment the 'testing' sources and perform an 'upgrade' once a month |
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| 20:36.35 | valdyn | nahetss: you likely have a very very mixed system |
| 20:36.37 | keith4 | nahetss: note that "testing" != "unstable" |
| 20:36.41 | TimRiker | nahetss: pinning might be easier.. |
| 20:36.42 | valdyn | nahetss: matching nothing debian ever released |
| 20:36.56 | keith4 | heh. i love reckless sysadmins! it makes me feel better about myself |
| 20:37.05 | valdyn | nahetss: unless you ran dist-upgrade recently |
| 20:37.09 | stew | nahetss: note that currently there is no security support in testing. and you won't get security support for apache 1.3 from testing or unstable, since it was removed a while ago |
| 20:37.26 | TimRiker | keith4: it worked once on a somewhat similar machine. let's put it in production! |
| 20:37.28 | nahetss | why downgrade ? i mean thats not a solution.. |
| 20:37.33 | nahetss | linux sources must work perfect |
| 20:37.50 | valdyn | nahetss: upgrading broke your box |
| 20:37.51 | nahetss | its a box that maintains 3 networks and its DNS's |
| 20:37.53 | keith4 | TimRiker: you're hired! come work for me |
| 20:38.16 | TimRiker | cool! let's run the flavour of the week distro everywhere. |
| 20:38.17 | nahetss | i guess il stick with the stable sources is all |
| 20:38.35 | keith4 | nahetss: bit late for that |
| 20:38.41 | nahetss | late? |
| 20:38.49 | stew | nahetss: stable is the only one recommended for what you are using the box for |
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| 20:39.01 | valdyn | keith4: maybe not, he didnt dist-upgrade probably |
| 20:39.02 | stew | nahetss: there is no easy way to downgrade to stable in place, the easiest way would be a reinstall |
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| 20:39.21 | stew | nahetss: what version of libc6 do you have installed now? |
| 20:39.38 | keith4 | valdyn: true. might have good timing through dumb luck? |
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| 20:40.01 | keith4 | valdyn: but, then why would he be here if he hadn't just upgraded stuff to squeeze/sid? |
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| 20:40.12 | nahetss | the most amazing thing in debian (wich i love the most) is that all these years, upgrading that box, just got me +270mb or so.. |
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| 20:41.59 | johnrw | TimRiker: Well, ...me... I just have a few pc's on a soho net... and a wireless printer... so maybe one of my neighbors will brighten my day... and try and hack my printer... and thus gimme a reason to go Rock Obama on them... :) I can use wireshark like the next guy... |
| 20:42.10 | nahetss | stew.... my libc6 is a 2.7-18 |
| 20:42.17 | shillelagh | How do I get my fresh install of Debian 5.0 to use my 1024x768 resolution? |
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| 20:42.23 | stew | nahetss: yeah, then there would be no easy way to downgrade to stable |
| 20:42.24 | shillelagh | It's stuck at 800x600 |
| 20:42.41 | keith4 | define "stuck" |
| 20:42.42 | nahetss | stew: why? how did you know? |
| 20:42.51 | shillelagh | kcontrol maxes at 800x600 as well |
| 20:42.56 | shillelagh | doesn't go any higher |
| 20:43.00 | TimRiker | johnrw: nod.. sometimes you take the risks. just be aware of what you are really doing. :) |
| 20:43.01 | stew | actually wait |
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| 20:43.10 | stew | nahetss: forget that, perhaps you still can run stable |
| 20:43.15 | nahetss | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.22 | keith4 | stable! |
| 20:43.27 | stew | nahetss: i'd strongly recommend stable and not testing |
| 20:43.43 | johnrw | TimRiker: but thanks for the pam info... I would have gone crazy if i had to remember a special password... just for the printer... (Do I have to restart pam? |
| 20:43.44 | shillelagh | and xrandr doesn't have 1024x768 as an available mode |
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| 20:43.48 | nahetss | stew: how did you know I can run stable? |
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| 20:44.06 | stew | nahetss: by your version of libc6 |
| 20:44.07 | keith4 | shillelagh: i dunno what the "new" way to fix that is. we used to futz with xorg.conf, though |
| 20:44.08 | TimRiker | johnrw: nope. next run of "passwd" should use the new pam settings. |
| 20:44.24 | dabreegster | iceweasel 3.06 in testing keeps opening in fullscreen mode by default; I have to tap f11 to get out of it. No option set to do this (none even exists to make it start fs) nor my window manager. Bug? Didn't used to do this. |
| 20:44.26 | nahetss | stew: so I can do it? |
| 20:44.27 | shillelagh | yeah keith4, looks pretty barren in there now |
| 20:44.39 | stew | nahetss: if your version of libc6 is the stable version, its unlikely that you have upgraded many if any packages past stable |
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| 20:44.40 | nahetss | "stable" is a different version of debian now too I know |
| 20:44.50 | shillelagh | Funny that my monitor is easier to set up on Slackware than opn Debian |
| 20:44.57 | nahetss | stew: youre right. because i have to change my unstable sources list every 4 or 6 months |
| 20:45.00 | stew | nahetss: you don't want to put 'stable' in sources.list, you want to use 'lenny' |
| 20:45.07 | dabreegster | 3.0.5-1 didn't seem to do it, but 3.0.6-1 seems to. |
| 20:45.11 | nahetss | even ftp.debian.org changes the sources.. |
| 20:45.13 | TimRiker | nahetss probably wants to change /etc/apt/sources.list to stable, run dist-upgrade and see where that puts him. |
| 20:45.43 | nahetss | stew: thats not the way im maintaining that box.. :) |
| 20:45.49 | nahetss | im using difrent sources thats all |
| 20:45.54 | TimRiker | nods at stew... by stable I mean "lenny" :) |
| 20:45.56 | shillelagh | Okay, |
| 20:45.57 | keith4 | chuckles |
| 20:46.10 | keith4 | shillelagh: what does that have to do with your monitor? |
| 20:46.17 | keith4 | it's the video card that you're after |
| 20:46.36 | shillelagh | nvidia binary drivers working finer |
| 20:46.38 | stew | nahetss: that's fine, unless stability or security is a concern |
| 20:46.42 | TimRiker | keith4: unless it EDID info or something. |
| 20:46.50 | keith4 | shillelagh: check the xorg log |
| 20:46.59 | shillelagh | where is that? |
| 20:47.01 | keith4 | see how it decided that 800x600 was appropriate |
| 20:47.15 | stew | shillelagh: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:47.18 | nahetss | stew: im changing the sources between unstable to testing... |
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| 20:47.29 | stew | nahetss: ok. good luck |
| 20:47.42 | nahetss | you dont recommend this way? |
| 20:47.46 | nahetss | and if no, why please Sir |
| 20:47.54 | TimRiker | nahetss: as others have mentioned... you really want to get to stable ie: lenny, and stay there. |
| 20:47.59 | keith4 | hey stew: can I ask for some advise? I probably won't follow it... but thanks in advance ;-) |
| 20:48.18 | nahetss | stew: http://ftp.debian.org unstable/main <--- they changed the sources list there |
| 20:48.39 | keith4 | nahetss: change every "unstable" or "testing" to: lenny |
| 20:48.59 | johnrw | TimRiker: darn... it is still prohibiting me from the passwd i want to use... |
| 20:49.06 | johnrw | # password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure md5 |
| 20:49.07 | johnrw | password required pam_unix.so nullok md5 |
| 20:49.09 | TimRiker | nahetss: if you want packages from testing or unstable, you could add those sources as well, increase apt's cache size, and pin to stable. then you can apt-get install <package>/testing to get from others repos. |
| 20:49.22 | keith4 | oh jeez |
| 20:49.25 | stew | ... |
| 20:49.31 | nahetss | stew: ive noticed they change that twice a year or 3 |
| 20:49.32 | johnrw | I removed the obscure item from it... |
| 20:49.44 | keith4 | TimRiker: maybe we should cover that in a future installment |
| 20:49.57 | nahetss | it cant get the FULL package list .. |
| 20:50.00 | nahetss | thats what I mean |
| 20:50.01 | TimRiker | johnrw: change then end to min=4 md5 etc. and try that. |
| 20:50.08 | keith4 | what is he talking about? |
| 20:50.17 | johnrw | ok, thx. |
| 20:50.22 | shillelagh | vrefresh out of range hsync out of range |
| 20:50.28 | nahetss | it says Failed to fetch |
| 20:50.31 | TimRiker | keith4: heh. well, I'd like to hope he can learn. :) |
| 20:50.35 | nahetss | and 404 not found |
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| 20:50.44 | nahetss | plenty times |
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| 20:50.52 | keith4 | TimRiker: did you join in the middle of this, or somehow miss the beginning? ;-) |
| 20:50.56 | stew | shillelagh: have you run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ? |
| 20:51.00 | shillelagh | yes |
| 20:51.04 | nahetss | stew: please advise me |
| 20:51.12 | nahetss | only a few of the hole buch of the list is updated.. |
| 20:51.16 | johnrw | damn... same thing... |
| 20:51.23 | nahetss | im refering to http://ftp.debian.org unstable/main |
| 20:51.23 | TimRiker | keith4: heh. just trying unsuccessfully to forget it. |
| 20:51.29 | spacepluk | hi, someone is suffering BCM4312 ? |
| 20:51.49 | keith4 | nahetss: can you pastebin your entire sources.list? |
| 20:51.53 | keith4 | spacepluk: interesting word choice |
| 20:51.54 | stew | nahetss: i advise you to not use ftp.debian.org, use a mirror: /msg dpkg mirrors ; you should not be using "unstable" or "testing", you should be using "lenny": /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 20:52.11 | spacepluk | :) |
| 20:52.14 | stew | nahetss: using "ftp.debian.org" is not supported |
| 20:52.48 | nahetss | but its from debian.org |
| 20:52.51 | nahetss | :( |
| 20:52.51 | stew | nahetss: since unstable and testing break often, and testing currently has no security support at all, and whne it does it isn't guaranteed, it is recommended you not use anything but stable for a mission critical server, which you say this is |
| 20:52.53 | TimRiker | johnrw: what msg are you getting when you change the password? can you just set the password from root? ie: passwd <username> ? |
| 20:52.57 | stew | nahetss: yes, but don't use it |
| 20:53.16 | shillelagh | hwinfo --monitor shows Resolution: 1024x768@60Hz |
| 20:53.25 | stew | nahetss: if you are running apache 1.3, you must upgrade to apache2 |
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| 20:53.48 | johnrw | TimRiker: |
| 20:53.50 | johnrw | lppasswd: Sorry, password rejected. |
| 20:53.51 | johnrw | Your password must be at least 6 characters long, cannot contain |
| 20:53.53 | johnrw | your username, and must contain at least one letter and number. |
| 20:53.53 | stew | nahetss: if you are getting errors, show us exactly what the errors are. use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:53.55 | nahetss | I already did upgrade to version 2 |
| 20:54.15 | johnrw | This is for lppasswd... |
| 20:54.20 | nahetss | stew: I upgraded to apache 2 with these sources |
| 20:54.43 | TimRiker | hmm. lppasswd might not go through the same pam settings. is there a /etc/pam.d/*lp* ? |
| 20:55.09 | johnrw | My original difficulty is that......KDE can't setup a new printer on a brand new lenny install. |
| 20:55.24 | johnrw | although i am not running as root... |
| 20:55.34 | johnrw | ok, i'll check |
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| 20:56.30 | TimRiker | johnrw: I've not used lppasswd, so I don't know for sure. /etc/pam.d/common-password is for pam aware password programs like passwd. |
| 20:56.34 | shillelagh | Heh, even kcontrol is bigger than my screen, have to hold alt and drag to see the whole thing. |
| 20:56.41 | johnrw | no... *lp* in /etc/pam.d/ |
| 20:57.06 | smacnay | Anybody using Debian's "Sun" vbox packages know why virtualbox-2.1, with usb activated, doesn't see an attached usb device? Do I need to install plaing "virtualbox"? |
| 20:57.27 | johnrw | well this should be cups... Do i have to setup a cups tcp printer as root? |
| 20:57.29 | TimRiker | johnrw: where is the printer? ie: local or remote? lp? samba? etc. what are you using in kde cups? |
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| 20:57.36 | Tigger__ | what's debian? |
| 20:57.45 | jelly-home | smacnay: is the usb device present in the filters for that guest? |
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| 20:58.06 | johnrw | TimRiker: It is an HP wireless printer... on the same subnet... |
| 20:58.08 | TimRiker | Tigger__: see http://debian.org/ |
| 20:58.14 | smacnay | jelly-home, no, not that I can see. I have two that are pretty non-descriptive. |
| 20:58.24 | smacnay | jelly-home, Do I need to create a filter? |
| 20:58.31 | jelly-home | smacnay: also, what does 'Debian's "Sun" vbox package' mean? |
| 20:58.46 | johnrw | All I did before was set it up using KDE's printer setup wizard... |
| 20:58.50 | Tigger__ | thankie TimRiker |
| 20:58.51 | shillelagh | Debian is the distro that made things stop working with all the "new" ways todo things. |
| 20:58.56 | jelly-home | smacnay: (filter) yes, I think so |
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| 20:59.16 | smacnay | jelly-home, There is a Sun repos for their "virtualbox" which has added features which the Debian "ose" package does not contacin (like usb). |
| 20:59.24 | keith4 | shillelagh: have you asked #debian-kde? |
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| 20:59.46 | jelly-home | smacnay: ok, and which are you using? |
| 20:59.49 | TimRiker | johnrw: hmm. I've not set one of those up. I would think that a user could add it to the users printer list, or root could add it to the system list. but I'm afraid I can't help debug it without having tried one. |
| 20:59.50 | shillelagh | no, you think it's a KDE problem not with the xserver? |
| 21:00.06 | smacnay | jelly-home, I just installed the "Sun" package. The non-ose package. |
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| 21:00.20 | jelly-home | smacnay: #vbox is the right place to ask, then |
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| 21:00.24 | johnrw | well kde printer wizard says... |
| 21:00.30 | johnrw | Unable to create printer. Error message received from manager: |
| 21:00.31 | johnrw | You are not authorized to access the requested resource. |
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| 21:00.46 | smacnay | jelly-home, thanks - did so already but no response. I was hoping someone in here had been using this. |
| 21:00.58 | TimRiker | johnrw: dunno, sry |
| 21:01.06 | acu | I am trying to install Ekga 3.01 in lenny - it seem the most gruesome task - library, drivers and everything - is any simple way ? |
| 21:01.10 | johnrw | i added johnrw to the lp group... |
| 21:01.32 | TimRiker | johnrw: there is also an lpadmin group or something like that. |
| 21:01.32 | smacnay | acu, has it been added to the "lenny" repository yet? |
| 21:01.45 | valdyn | johnrw: or maybe your really want to be in the cupsys group |
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| 21:01.55 | jelly-home | smacnay: try during the work hours in GMT+1 |
| 21:01.58 | johnrw | oh really...? Ok i'll check for that |
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| 21:02.19 | valdyn | johnrw: or use your webbrowser and log on as root |
| 21:02.26 | smacnay | jelly-home, thanks - will do and it is not biggie issue at all. Just tweaking for fun and non-profit. |
| 21:02.30 | valdyn | johnrw: localhost:631 (if you are using cups ) |
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| 21:02.42 | smacnay | acu, I am running "testing" and see no sign of ekiga 3. |
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| 21:03.06 | jelly-home | smacnay: fwiw, external usb disks work for me after adding the filter for the particular device |
| 21:03.11 | stew | judd: versions ekiga |
| 21:03.11 | judd | stew: ekiga -- etch: 2.0.3-6 etch-backports: 2.0.11-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.0.12-1+nmu1 sid: 2.0.12-1+nmu1 squeeze: 2.0.12-1+nmu1 experimental: 3.0.1-1 |
| 21:03.14 | TimRiker | goes afk |
| 21:03.24 | acu | smacnay: no - that is the problem - Ekiga2.2 is a pale primitive compared with 3.01 - and there is no alternative at all for Ekiga - so I am scrambling to get packages from experimnetal and sid etc - but man is a pain in the ass - I tried snapshot from ekiga websites - but is a mess - debian repos of theirs are messed up |
| 21:03.28 | smacnay | jelly-home, I will play with filters. |
| 21:03.34 | nahetss | I have one 'deb' line in my sources.lis |
| 21:03.45 | nahetss | stew: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 21:03.58 | stew | nahetss: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 21:04.04 | johnrw | valdyn: there was no cupsys group... in /etc/group but there was an lpadmin group... |
| 21:04.09 | stew | dpkg: tell nahetss about sources.list |
| 21:04.19 | valdyn | johnrw: you're not using cups then, i guess |
| 21:04.19 | smacnay | acu, hmm, frankly, I wouldn't touch that sort of mixing of packages. There are so many dependencies that will need to be satisfied and ekiga is so central to Gnome that you may end up with a sid computer more or less. |
| 21:04.34 | stew | nahetss: the bot named 'dpkg' should have sent you a message about the recommended sources.list |
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| 21:04.44 | valdyn | judd: versions ekiga |
| 21:04.44 | judd | valdyn: ekiga -- etch: 2.0.3-6 etch-backports: 2.0.11-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.0.12-1+nmu1 sid: 2.0.12-1+nmu1 squeeze: 2.0.12-1+nmu1 experimental: 3.0.1-1 |
| 21:04.45 | smacnay | acu, I agree about the difference between the two versions but I am being patient. |
| 21:04.52 | acu | smacnay: indeed - the problem that many of them are even not in sid - is experimental |
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| 21:05.09 | valdyn | acu: have you tried backporting the experimental package? |
| 21:06.06 | valdyn | acu: mm, not that straightforward, needs another experimental package |
| 21:06.38 | nahetss | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.41 | acu | valdyn: I do not know how to do it - so I enabled each repositories based on what plugins and packages were required...etc... of course, once ekiga works I will not change or update anything |
| 21:06.42 | nahetss | maybe even 1 day sometimes |
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| 21:06.55 | stew | nahetss: to unstable? |
| 21:06.56 | valdyn | nahetss: why do you need updates? |
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| 21:07.02 | stew | nahetss: 4 times a day |
| 21:07.25 | Dekar_ | dpkg help |
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| 21:07.32 | valdyn | acu: add experimental source line, apt-get -b source ekiga, watch it complain missing deps |
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| 21:07.49 | nullnullnull | how i can fix this: WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 21:08.01 | valdyn | acu: install those missing deps or apt-get -b source <missing dep> if that does not work |
| 21:08.17 | valdyn | acu: this process can involve quite some missing packages, i dont know |
| 21:08.24 | stew | valdyn: have you told him to run build-dep first? |
| 21:08.50 | valdyn | stew: it wont work |
| 21:08.53 | valdyn | stew: and i didnt |
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| 21:09.01 | stew | i should really write a "how hard to backport foo from x to y" for judd |
| 21:09.03 | valdyn | acu: ^^^ |
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| 21:09.12 | acu | valdyn: yep - I installed ekiga - it runs :) the problem is that in an i386 the driver for webcam is messed - in Ekiga 2.2 was working fine - in 3.01 gives me some problems - though I have few systems AMD64 which work fine |
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| 21:09.46 | valdyn | stew: backporting ekiga involves backporting libpt2.4.2-dev at least |
| 21:09.51 | valdyn | acu: ^^ |
| 21:09.55 | nullnullnull | any ideas why /etc/modprobe.conf missing ? |
| 21:10.09 | abrotman | it tells you how to fix it |
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| 21:10.21 | nullnullnull | ? |
| 21:10.22 | johnrw | Hey I got it... it seems that not all "printers" items have the special administrator button... but the one in KDE Control Center does... |
| 21:10.36 | johnrw | Thanks everyone! |
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| 21:11.03 | nahetss | stew: If you run Debian in any other version you're still down to kernel 2.2 and ipchains. |
| 21:11.24 | nahetss | If you want anything fancier and released the last 5 years in Debian world you ought to run testing/unstable. |
| 21:11.39 | valdyn | nahetss: i think you already told us what kind of system you run |
| 21:11.42 | stew | nahetss: stable uses a 2.6.26 kernel |
| 21:11.44 | valdyn | nahetss: the last thing you need is upgrades |
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| 21:12.14 | valdyn | nahetss: it only speaks for debians (insanely high) quality that it didnt break earlier |
| 21:12.15 | nahetss | umm ok. |
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| 21:15.25 | nullnullnull | i can't understand how to fix modprobe warning? |
| 21:15.26 | smacnay | acu, I feel now, after many times trying to get one "new" app, it is better to wait than start dabbling in real bleeding edge stuff. |
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| 21:16.12 | stew | nullnullnull: move whatever settings you had in modprobe.conf into a file or files inside /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 21:16.44 | nullnullnull | i don't have /etc/modprobe.conf ;] |
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| 21:17.05 | stew | nullnullnull: when do you get that warning? |
| 21:17.42 | acu | smacnay: is an exercise of maximum masochism - but I would like to use linux more than some fun time consuming activity - and sometimes important packages are left at the most primitive level - and unfortunately in linux there are no webconference video and audio tools except ekiga |
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| 21:18.10 | nullnullnull | when boot |
| 21:18.32 | nullnullnull | and i get another one WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, it will be ignored in a future release. |
| 21:18.43 | nullnullnull | mv blacklist blacklist.conf ??? |
| 21:19.43 | smacnay | acu, I hear you. Have you looked into empathy/telepathy or even skype? Skype runs well on my box. Ekiga 2.0 does its job. I haven't tried telepathy too much but it is supposed to do sip as well. |
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| 21:20.22 | jelly-home | nullnullnull: pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 module-init-tools modutils|tail -3 |
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| 21:21.26 | molnarp | Hi everyone! I have just upgraded to lenny, and my SANE scanner stopped working (works as root, not as 'saned' user). It must be a permission problem. How can I fix it? I think I have to edit my udev rules.... am I right? |
| 21:21.28 | kjs | upgrading from debian sarge to etch, will it leave my existing configs in place? |
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| 21:22.26 | stew | kjs: for most of them it will prompt you asking you what you want to do. it should not overwrite any of your config without prompting you first |
| 21:22.44 | kjs | ok iv backed up /etc any ways |
| 21:22.54 | stew | molnarp: try "adduser saned scanner" |
| 21:23.22 | stew | kjs: we'd recommend following the upgrade procedure in the etch release notes: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 21:23.37 | acu | smacnay: I am looking now at empathy - I now simple that ekiga 3.01 with Logitech Quickcam Pro 9000 blows away anything - is DVD quality in video and sound |
| 21:23.46 | stew | kjs: and note that while you are at it, we'd recommend upgrading to lenny once you finish upgrading to etch: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 21:24.09 | kjs | stew: thats the plan sarge -> etch -> lenny |
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| 21:28.47 | molnarp | stew: saned is already in the scanner group |
| 21:29.00 | molnarp | it's devinitely an udev problem |
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| 21:29.33 | molnarp | the line definig my scanner was missing from /etc/udev/z60-libsane.rules |
| 21:29.54 | molnarp | i've inserted it (from my etch backup), but still not working |
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| 21:34.09 | molnarp | sorry |
| 21:34.13 | molnarp | i'm back |
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| 21:39.15 | zamaliphe | some one attack my PC with some kind of fac dns server and i cant run fir fox at all |
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| 21:40.56 | kjs | have a bit of a problem... i removd a package on my sarge box and i can't reinstall it as there are no mirrors for sarge now ? |
| 21:41.25 | zleap | is sarge the one before etch |
| 21:41.26 | stew | kjs: archives.debian.org has sarge |
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| 21:42.56 | zamaliphe | how can i set the dns to not change even if i use dhcp ? |
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| 21:44.29 | valdyn | kjs: theres archive.debian.org |
| 21:44.44 | amphi | zamaliphe: indhclient's config file |
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| 21:49.32 | zamaliphe | amphi: i men that i use dhcp to connect to my router not that my pc is dhcp server ? are you sure that this file is the configration file ? |
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| 21:53.07 | abrotman | zamaliphe: yes .. |
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| 21:53.35 | amphi | zamaliphe: yes, see /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
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| 21:59.55 | eanda | hey all. looking for a good document for installing all iceweasel AMD 64 plugins. |
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| 22:02.17 | kenjy | how can I remove the first line of a file from the CL? |
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| 22:02.43 | jelly-home | kenjy: tail -n +2 ... man tail |
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| 22:03.11 | dondelelcaro | tail -n +2 foofile|sponge foofile; being my favorite method |
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| 22:03.34 | jelly-home | is perusing a sponge safe? |
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| 22:04.20 | jelly-home | does it keep ownership, permissions, and, should I dare wish, even the inode number? |
| 22:04.39 | zamaliphe | abrotman: amphi thanks alot alot it work i guess |
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| 22:05.30 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.52 | zamaliphe | i like linux alot now i can connect to internet even if some one running netcut on the network :D |
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| 22:06.33 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it sets the permissions the same, but it doesn't use the same inode |
| 22:06.48 | jelly-home | acceptable |
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| 22:12.20 | funky | what's the best composite option on debian ? |
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| 22:13.07 | abrotman | i think there's only one ? |
| 22:13.21 | funky | compiz-fusion is deprecated, but that's all I've found (tuxfamily repository) |
| 22:13.35 | abrotman | no .. compiz-fusion is not deprecated |
| 22:13.42 | abrotman | that was beryl that got deprecated/killed |
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| 22:14.06 | funky | compiz-fusion is deprecated too |
| 22:14.15 | abrotman | since when? |
| 22:14.17 | abrotman | and replaced with what? |
| 22:14.18 | zamaliphe | i have change my VGA card from xfx 6200 tc to nvidia 6800 the card is working but i cant run compize what to do to reconfigure it and attempt to auto detect the best configuration like nvidi script dos ?? |
| 22:14.23 | funky | with compiz |
| 22:14.25 | funky | just compiz |
| 22:14.32 | abrotman | whatever .. it's the same |
| 22:14.36 | funky | no |
| 22:14.45 | abrotman | there is only compiz in debian |
| 22:14.59 | funky | anyway the owner of that repository passed away some time ago |
| 22:15.10 | abrotman | judd: versions compiz |
| 22:15.11 | judd | abrotman: compiz -- etch: 0.2.2-1 etch-backports: 0.5.2-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.7.6-7 sid: 0.7.6-7 squeeze: 0.7.6-7 |
| 22:15.11 | funky | so, I guess those packare aren't going to be updated anymore |
| 22:15.32 | funky | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzAzOQ |
| 22:15.34 | funky | read this |
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| 22:15.55 | funky | this is the future of compiz |
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| 22:16.30 | themill | Am I allowed to be sick of compiz re-un-de-merging? |
| 22:16.32 | abrotman | so that was a month ago .. |
| 22:16.39 | funky | i think i'll go for the one in the official repos |
| 22:16.41 | abrotman | themill: how about sick of compiz in general |
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| 22:17.09 | funky | compiz is not bad, i really like some "modules" |
| 22:17.12 | dju` | hi everyone, I accidentally deleted /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base and I'm try to get it back using aptitude reinstall alsa-base, but it doesn't work... any help please ? thanks |
| 22:17.34 | abrotman | !tell dju` about confmiss |
| 22:18.11 | dju` | abrotman: thank you ! ;) |
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| 22:19.38 | goauld | !tell goauld about confmiss |
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| 22:20.08 | abrotman | !tell goauld about selftell |
| 22:20.28 | goauld | wow |
| 22:21.18 | goauld | dpkg always have an answer for everything |
| 22:21.18 | dpkg | goauld: are you using Windows? |
| 22:21.45 | goauld | dont insult me please |
| 22:21.46 | goauld | im a good guy |
| 22:21.46 | goauld | lol |
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| 22:25.11 | Caelum | is knoppix dead? |
| 22:25.16 | Caelum | last release is from 2 years ago |
| 22:25.40 | Mr-R | Caelum: nope |
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| 22:25.47 | Hydroxide | Caelum: no idea. but you're welcome to try Debian Live, which is now available as part of Lenny |
| 22:26.00 | Mr-R | Caelum: knoppix 6.1 is just fresh from cebit... :) |
| 22:26.16 | Caelum | Mr-R: bad mirror I guess |
| 22:26.39 | Hydroxide | Caelum: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 22:26.44 | dju` | how to configure the default dpkg action for conffiles update ? |
| 22:26.55 | Mr-R | Caelum: try ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/ but just wait a few weeks for 6.1 |
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| 22:28.11 | Caelum | Mr-R, Hydroxide: thank you |
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| 22:37.59 | gaintsura | I had to manually input my IP to /etc/network/interfaces to prevent dhcp from putting it at 102, I need it at 112, but when I set it to address 192.168.1.112 and static IP, I can no longer get to the internet from it.. how can I force my router to give this machine a different IP or can I get my system to touch the internet |
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| 22:38.10 | abrotman | why? |
| 22:38.12 | abrotman | we told you how |
| 22:38.19 | abrotman | !override dns |
| 22:38.19 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your dhcp server, echo "supercede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. |
| 22:38.48 | gaintsura | ? no I was not told how |
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| 22:38.58 | gaintsura | this is something different |
| 22:38.59 | abrotman | you were told to read the man page .. which has that informatnion |
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| 22:39.27 | patrikf | gaintsura: read your router's manual. |
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| 22:45.07 | gaintsura | abrotman: I'm not trying to change nameservers I'm trying to set my local lan IP to a different one (192.168.1.112) than what my router gives me (192.168.1.102), even after I set the lease block to give me a specific address I still did not get a different address |
| 22:45.30 | abrotman | gaintsura: sorry, wrong person |
| 22:45.53 | gaintsura | =) np |
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| 22:47.27 | gaintsura | yar |
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| 22:52.10 | keith4_ | i'm building a new desktop. should I just duplicate my existing HD to the new one? or should I install a fresh copy of lenny, and migrate my data? |
| 22:53.10 | dkr | fresh installs are always fun. gives you a chance to mess around with all the application preferences. :) |
| 22:53.43 | gaintsura | how do I add a gateway to my system? I'm using a static IP now. |
| 22:53.55 | abrotman | gaintsura: man 5 interfaces |
| 22:55.12 | keith4_ | dkr: yah, and it's not like my setup is highly customized, i guess |
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| 22:55.18 | gaintsura | thanks abrotman |
| 22:55.44 | rdz | hi all.i am trying to configure my synaptics touchpad with gsynaptics. however, it says, that SHM is not enabled, but i have it enabled in xorg.conf 'Option SHMConfig "true"' in the InputDevice Setcion.... don't know what to do next.. any hints appreciated. |
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| 22:56.31 | jpinx | anyone know of a lightweight pkg on lenny that'll work a spreadsheet? |
| 22:56.55 | stew | jpinx: gnumeric? |
| 22:56.59 | jpinx | can't do openoffice on 256MBs RAM |
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| 22:57.09 | keith4_ | yah, gnumeric should be okay |
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| 22:57.17 | jpinx | thanks :) |
| 22:57.34 | abrotman | vi, CSV :) |
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| 22:59.40 | keith4_ | libtext-csv-perl |
| 22:59.56 | ajavid | csv hmm |
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| 23:01.53 | rgr | This is a goofy one : one of my external USB drives has suddenly tapped into my sound system! When it ramps up I hear it glorious stereo through my speakers. A recent event on Debian Lenny and I have zero idea what might have caused it. Ideas? |
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| 23:02.14 | abrotman | different USB port? |
| 23:02.22 | TimRiker | tries: DEBIAN_FRONTEND='noninteractive' apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confnew" -fuyqq dist-upgrade |
| 23:02.25 | rgr | nope, nothing unplugged at all |
| 23:02.38 | abrotman | TimRiker: where's your backup? |
| 23:02.40 | rgr | I dont even have usb mic |
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| 23:03.14 | TimRiker | abrotman: heh. I can just reprovision the machine in 5 minutes. this is to try to avoid reprovisioning a few thousand machines. |
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| 23:03.35 | abrotman | gotcha |
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| 23:04.09 | stew | TimRiker: note that using apt-get dist-upgrade is not a recommended way to upgrade a machine, especially not from one release to another |
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| 23:04.35 | Laeborg | hi |
| 23:04.38 | TimRiker | stew: hmm. ok, what would be? I thought that's what dist-upgrade was for? |
| 23:06.30 | Laeborg | Can I get my server to run this command once every day? php /home/$myusr/mysql.backup.php |
| 23:06.30 | stew | TimRiker: the recommended way is closer to "switch sources to lenny. aptitude install aptitude ; aptitude safe-upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade'. but you should probably look over chapter 4 of the release notes |
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| 23:06.30 | TimRiker | stew: btw, I'm moving the machines from etch to lenny |
| 23:06.30 | abrotman | Laeborg: yes .. /etc/cron.daily/ |
| 23:06.31 | TimRiker | stew: k. /me heads off reading. :) |
| 23:06.31 | stew | TimRiker: apt-get has not been recommended for this for a couple of releases now. if you insist on using apt-get, you should upgrade apt to lenny first, then apt-get upgrade ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:06.31 | rgr | I forgot to check the answer to that - should I vae stable or lenny in my sources now? |
| 23:06.31 | abrotman | lenny |
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| 23:06.33 | stew | TimRiker: "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" has a link to the release notes |
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| 23:06.51 | wonderwal | as far as i understand, if youre running oldstable, debian expects you to upgrade to stable pretty soon? |
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| 23:07.44 | richtroye | Is this the place to ask about dpkg etc commands? |
| 23:07.44 | dondelelcaro | wonderwal: within six months to a year, yes |
| 23:07.44 | keith4_ | wonderwal: for some values of "pretty soon", yes |
| 23:07.44 | dondelelcaro | richtroye: you can ask here, yes. |
| 23:07.52 | wonderwal | okay, and is the update process known to be incredibly smooth ? |
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| 23:08.08 | richtroye | I am an rpm user and I would like to know how to ask debian for the packages upon which package X depends |
| 23:08.49 | ajavid | richtroye, apt-cache depends blahpkg |
| 23:09.07 | richtroye | thanks ajavid |
| 23:09.19 | ajavid | yup |
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| 23:09.23 | gaintsura | I believe I have devised a way to keep all of my servers running, unless they both go down at once. |
| 23:09.40 | jelly-home | it's called... ELECTRICITY! |
| 23:09.52 | ajavid | lol |
| 23:11.12 | gaintsura | oh, maybe not.. |
| 23:11.12 | gaintsura | damn |
| 23:11.13 | keith4_ | it's called "UPS"? |
| 23:11.13 | TimRiker | gaintsura: I keep all mine running except when they are down too. |
| 23:11.13 | gaintsura | theres no way to determine if an ssh session has gone down and reboot it |
| 23:11.13 | gaintsura | no.. I mean like if one stops, reboot it |
| 23:11.13 | abrotman | gaintsura: watchdog |
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| 23:11.13 | keith4_ | gaintsura: monit can keep ssh tunnels open |
| 23:11.13 | jelly-home | !win abrotman |
| 23:11.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 23:11.14 | gaintsura | w00t |
| 23:11.16 | gaintsura | abrotman: nice, thats installed on the host system right? |
| 23:11.32 | gaintsura | keith4_: autossh does that too |
| 23:11.39 | richtroye | ajavid do you know if there's a debian command similar to 'rpm -qa --last', that provides packages sorted by install timestamp? |
| 23:11.39 | jelly-home | gaintsura: that's a concept. |
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| 23:12.34 | jelly-home | gaintsura: make your critical piece of the system report it's alive in regular intervals. If it fails to report, reboot it. |
| 23:13.45 | jpinx | thanks stew and keith4_ :) gnumeric is perfect :) |
| 23:14.01 | ajavid | richtroye, hmm |
| 23:14.03 | ajavid | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s04s01.html#secSortingPolicy |
| 23:14.03 | ajavid | richtroye, take a look here |
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| 23:15.02 | richtroye | thanks, ajavid, i'll have a look |
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| 23:15.42 | TimRiker | ribasushi: I do this: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list |
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| 23:16.02 | TimRiker | er richtroye :) |
| 23:16.04 | ajavid | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03.html this actually |
| 23:16.08 | ajavid | TimRiker, hey cool |
| 23:16.18 | ajavid | search patterns |
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| 23:17.39 | TimRiker | wishes all packages included md5sums instead of needing to install debsums everywhere before package installs. |
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| 23:17.54 | ajavid | aptitude is the best packages manager ever I think you will find a nice change from rpm |
| 23:17.55 | johnrw | has anyone ever gotten skype to work on lenny? |
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| 23:18.18 | dondelelcaro | TimRiker: the md5sums are calculated when the packages are installed. You don't need debsums beforehand. |
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| 23:19.13 | TimRiker | dondelelcaro: I wish they were calculated on the build machines and included in the packages by policy. Useful tool to catch flakey disks, etc. |
| 23:19.47 | johnrw | all i get using the Etch deb skype has made available... is No Protocol specified... when i run it as root... |
| 23:19.53 | dondelelcaro | TimRiker: they probably should be included in the control.tar.gz, but that's generally not a huge deal |
| 23:19.54 | stew | they are calculated on the build machines |
| 23:20.09 | stew | wait, aren't they included in the control.tar.gz usually? |
| 23:20.30 | TimRiker | dondelelcaro: some packages include them. others do not. debsums builds them for packages that do not include them when you install the packages. |
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| 23:20.46 | dondelelcaro | stew: actually, they are. I'm not sure when that changed |
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| 23:21.34 | TimRiker | is it automatic now? I had not heard that to be the case. I thought it was still optional. |
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| 23:22.01 | stew | debhelper does it |
| 23:22.09 | duckman_ | hello there |
| 23:22.10 | duckman_ | :) |
| 23:22.18 | keith4_ | holy crap. why didn't anyone ever tell me about autossh before?! |
| 23:22.28 | johnrw | nevermind... skype don't want to ne run as root... |
| 23:22.30 | keith4_ | gaintsura: i owe you a beer |
| 23:23.29 | duckman_ | i need a bash warrior here |
| 23:23.40 | duckman_ | :O |
| 23:24.03 | keith4_ | there's a channel full of 'em |
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| 23:24.15 | duckman_ | i want to redirect the output of this command: |
| 23:24.19 | duckman_ | sudo -u bittorrent screen -d -m bittorrent-console $torrentdir/$t & |
| 23:24.29 | keith4_ | ...over at #bash |
| 23:24.31 | TimRiker | pokes at a few packages and finds they all have md5sums now. cool! |
| 23:24.44 | duckman_ | to some file, but not the sudo output, the bittorrent-console output |
| 23:25.05 | initq | if i mix brown rice with white rice and have two cups of rice, how long do i have to cook it? |
| 23:25.22 | duckman_ | forever |
| 23:25.32 | TimRiker | sudo -u bittorrent screen -d -m "bittorrent-console $torrentdir/$t > log" & ? |
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| 23:25.35 | initq | a for loop? |
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| 23:25.56 | duckman_ | thanks TimRiker , i have to read more about quotes and stuff |
| 23:25.59 | duckman_ | :) |
| 23:26.15 | TimRiker | duckman_: didn't try it, but that's what I'd try first. :) |
| 23:26.33 | duckman_ | TimRiker, the quotes work like a "(" |
| 23:26.36 | duckman_ | in bash? |
| 23:26.50 | gparent | Anyone has any idea why it takes 5 seconds between the moment I type enter after entering root at a ssh login prompt, and the moment it asks me for a password? |
| 23:26.57 | TimRiker | no. quotes do bind commands and options together on sudo etc lines. |
| 23:27.05 | duckman_ | gparent, routes delay? |
| 23:27.18 | gparent | What do you mean |
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| 23:27.40 | gparent | When I type the password it accepts it instantly, its just after I enter my login it takes about 5 seconds |
| 23:27.51 | duckman_ | gparent, no routes delay :) |
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| 23:27.54 | stew | gparent: try running ssh -vvv and see where exactly the delay is |
| 23:27.55 | dennda | The recommended approach to upgrading debian still is s/etch/lenny/ in sources.list, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. correct? |
| 23:28.00 | TimRiker | duckman_: single quotes protect variables from expansion. double quotes allow it. so if a=b echo '$a' yields $a but echo "$a" yields b |
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| 23:28.15 | duckman_ | dennda, upgrade apt, dpkg packages first |
| 23:28.21 | gparent | stew: Guessing there's no way to do that from a Windows box? |
| 23:28.25 | gparent | Maybe Cygwin has ssh... |
| 23:28.29 | stew | gparent: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 23:28.44 | stew | gparent: actually these things are easier debugged from the server side anyway |
| 23:28.54 | duckman_ | dennda, before doing the full upgrade |
| 23:28.56 | dennda | duckman_: I'm sorry, could you rephrase that? |
| 23:29.03 | gparent | oh right I just need to connect from another port |
| 23:29.04 | gparent | I can do that :) |
| 23:29.06 | dennda | duckman_: how would I do that? |
| 23:29.19 | duckman_ | dennda, aptitude install dpkg apt aptitude |
| 23:29.21 | duckman_ | :) |
| 23:29.39 | duckman_ | dennda, it is better to have that packages in the full version first |
| 23:30.06 | duckman_ | dennda, last* version |
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| 23:30.40 | duckman_ | TimRiker, thanks a lot |
| 23:31.09 | TimRiker | duckman_: work then? |
| 23:31.17 | dennda | duckman_: Why does dist-upgrade suggest X11 related packages on my server to be installed? There is no X11 of course |
| 23:31.34 | gparent | pastebin the result, stew? |
| 23:31.36 | dondelelcaro | dennda: which packages? |
| 23:31.38 | gparent | There seems to be a failure somewhere. |
| 23:31.58 | TimRiker | dennda: something you have installed now, depends on something that needs X11 in lenny apparently. |
| 23:32.02 | richtroye | ajavid the aptitude manpage and the aptitude reference guide don't seem to be in sync; former refers to section "Customizing how packages are displayed" at the -F option but I can't find it in the Guide |
| 23:32.04 | dondelelcaro | dennda: if they're xserver-commmon and similar xlib packages, that's to be expected. [It's not like you can't use a remote X server) |
| 23:32.18 | dennda | .net] has joined #debian |
| 23:32.19 | richtroye | ajavid I'm basically looking for a list of the % substitution parameters |
| 23:32.23 | dennda | sorry |
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| 23:32.43 | dennda | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/107189/ |
| 23:32.57 | dennda | dondelelcaro: well I don't want that though |
| 23:33.12 | dennda | TimRiker: How can I check what that is? |
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| 23:33.33 | gparent | stew: http://codepad.org/aA1BY1Af // The delay is from about line 20 to line 30 |
| 23:33.35 | dob1 | hi, i want to blacklist the audio modules that the kernel load at startup, how can i do this? |
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| 23:33.59 | TimRiker | dennda: x11-common is currently installed |
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| 23:34.18 | dennda | TimRiker: can I safely remove it? |
| 23:34.43 | TimRiker | dennda: you can remove it, only you can decide if that's "safe" or not. depends on what you want to run. |
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| 23:35.11 | dennda | TimRiker: a server that is accessed via CLI (SSH) only |
| 23:35.20 | TimRiker | some web packages needs tools like imagemagick which depend on X11 even though the server never runs X. |
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| 23:35.41 | TimRiker | dennda: "gallery" being one example I can think of. |
| 23:35.53 | dennda | ah i got imagemagick installed once |
| 23:35.54 | v4nelle | to upgrade to sid i change the source.list and do dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:36.21 | dennda | TimRiker: that seems to be it |
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| 23:36.28 | TimRiker | note: ssh can forward X11. so you can ssh to the host, start and xterm and see it locally. so even if there is no X on the server console, you still might want x11-common etc installed. |
| 23:36.47 | dennda | TimRiker: I know that but I really don't want it |
| 23:36.50 | TimRiker | (xterm is an example, I don't see that installed here.. :) |
| 23:37.11 | TimRiker | dennda: so remove what you don't want before you upgrade. |
| 23:37.19 | dennda | done already |
| 23:37.22 | TimRiker | :) |
| 23:38.12 | duckman_ | TimRiker, this is strange, screen complains about the path when i use the quotes :( |
| 23:38.32 | duckman_ | Cannot exec 'bittorrent-console /home/bittorrent/torrents/vnvnation.torrent': No such file or directory |
| 23:38.59 | duckman_ | obviously i checked that path |
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| 23:39.24 | TimRiker | duckman_: ugh... might need to add a bash -c in front of the "bittorrent-console ... |
| 23:39.33 | richtroye | ajavid Ah, I found it, nevermiiiind |
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| 23:40.00 | TimRiker | force call a shell so that it can handle the > log when it calls bt-c |
| 23:40.11 | duckman_ | TimRiker, sudo -u bittorrent screen -d -m "bash -c bittorrent-console /home/bittorrent/torrents/vnvnation.torrent > log" ? |
| 23:40.34 | TimRiker | no.. sudo -u bittorrent screen -d -m bash -c "bittorrent-console /home/bittorrent/torrents/vnvnation.torrent > log" ? |
| 23:41.08 | TimRiker | (really, sh would work instead of bash... :) |
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| 23:42.07 | richtroye | Hm, could it be true that the time a package was installed is unavailable?? |
| 23:42.37 | duckman_ | TimRiker, haha nothing happens, the bash dies |
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| 23:43.49 | TimRiker | duckman_: and you get no log? |
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| 23:44.49 | duckman_ | TimRiker, yes, it created a log, but.. is not increasing the size or something |
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| 23:45.39 | TimRiker | well, that has > in it. change that to >> and it will grow. |
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| 23:48.22 | pikudoz | hi someody tried remote prinnter under freenx? |
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| 23:56.01 | duckman_ | TimRiker, i think im getting closer... |
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| 23:56.40 | TimRiker | duckman_: :) good luck. unfortunately I need to run. you can always make a script and call that from your sudo instead. again. good luck. |
| 23:57.27 | keith4_ | on a fresh install of lenny, once I install the nvidia modules, and add 'Driver "nvidia"' to xorg.conf... I only get 640x480. running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't prompt me for any resolution information. |
| 23:57.59 | gaintsura | is there a commandline tool to list the current disk space/usage? |
| 23:58.23 | keith4_ | df |
| 23:59.04 | cahoot | (at least for mounted space) |
| 23:59.28 | gaintsura | thats in KB right? or is that in bytes? |
| 23:59.30 | trueboar | hey, cant i get some quick hint from someone? problem is that i can't connect over SSL or ping from LAN the internet; gateway is debian lenny + shorewall + dansguardian + squid; it was working till tonight's unusual crash |
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