| 00:00.29 | keith4_ | gaintsura: try df -h |
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| 00:00.58 | keith4_ | trueboar: shorewall proplem |
| 00:01.09 | gaintsura | thanks keith4 |
| 00:01.47 | trueboar | keith4_, well i've already checked shorewall's configs - all seems to be fine |
| 00:01.56 | keith4_ | trueboar: obviously it's not |
| 00:02.06 | gparent | yeah it obviously cant be debian |
| 00:02.07 | gparent | jeez |
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| 00:02.34 | keith4_ | trueboar: normal web browsing works? |
| 00:02.59 | trueboar | keith4_, normal - yes, over ssl:443 not |
| 00:03.10 | keith4_ | gparent: yah... all network activity is fine, except ICMP and port 443. must be something other than the firewall |
| 00:03.17 | keith4_ | trueboar: try #shorewall |
| 00:03.31 | trueboar | keith4_, it worked yesterday and config are at least 2 weeks old - nothing changed |
| 00:03.47 | gparent | keith4_ Yeah I know its absolutely impossible. |
| 00:03.51 | \amethyst | no IP addresses changed? |
| 00:04.02 | trueboar | \amethyst, no |
| 00:04.05 | keith4_ | trueboar: either something changed, or the problem is upstream |
| 00:04.57 | \amethyst | trueboar: have you tried tcptraceroute? |
| 00:05.17 | \amethyst | trueboar: it might be useful, to see how far the packets get |
| 00:05.29 | \amethyst | trueboar: though if no ICMP comes in, it might not work |
| 00:05.34 | Hexacoder | d4de |
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| 00:05.55 | trueboar | keith4_, \amethyst, i can access ssl sites and ping wverything from router (debian) |
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| 00:06.29 | trueboar | keith4_, \amethyst, i also can ping both ways router and pc |
| 00:06.41 | Caelum | can syslinux boot an ext2 partition? |
| 00:06.54 | \amethyst | trueboar: then the problem is at the router |
| 00:07.05 | trueboar | from pc for example i can visit google.com but i can't ping it |
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| 00:07.22 | trueboar | \amethyst, router = debian |
| 00:07.26 | \amethyst | okay |
| 00:07.36 | \amethyst | and you're using shorewall to configure the routing rules? |
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| 00:07.44 | trueboar | yes i am |
| 00:07.56 | \amethyst | but you're certain the routing rules are correct? |
| 00:08.00 | sanmarcos | if one is a member of a group, say www-data, can one chgrp a file to that group? |
| 00:08.10 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: only if you own the file |
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| 00:08.47 | sanmarcos | \amethyst: thanks |
| 00:09.10 | trueboar | \amethyst, im sure, at least in /etc/shorewall/ there are no files after 23-02-9 |
| 00:10.12 | \amethyst | trueboar: is this the first time the router has rebooted since 23-02 ? |
| 00:10.37 | trueboar | \amethyst, i dont know, how can i check it/ |
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| 00:11.46 | goauld | isnt a way to mount smb shares in conkeror ? |
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| 00:12.06 | goauld | without external programs like komba2 or smb4k |
| 00:13.21 | \amethyst | trueboar: last | grep reboot |
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| 00:13.59 | \amethyst | goauld: why would a web browser mount smb shares? |
| 00:14.03 | trueboar | \amethyst, reboot system boot 2.6.18-6-686 Mon Mar 9 21:53 - 01:13 (03:19) |
| 00:14.05 | \amethyst | goauld: or do you mean konqueror? |
| 00:14.11 | goauld | konqueror |
| 00:14.52 | trueboar | \amethyst, last returns events since mar 2 |
| 00:14.54 | \amethyst | goauld: you should be able to access smb:// URLs; I don't know about mounting |
| 00:14.57 | jpinx | is there a way to see what application is using what memory and what swap? I'm already looking at top and free, but I'd like more details |
| 00:15.14 | \amethyst | trueboar: last -f /var/log/wtmp.1 to check the old version of the log too |
| 00:15.40 | goauld | smb:// is crap i cant watch movies without transfering completely to localhost |
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| 00:16.27 | trueboar | \amethyst, 17-02-09 :( |
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| 00:17.09 | Zeroyeze | how do i give apache2 access to /var/www? |
| 00:17.30 | \amethyst | trueboar: hm.... so it's possible that the shorewall configuration had problems before, but managed to work because of some iptables rule that was set manually |
| 00:17.49 | \amethyst | trueboar: or that something else set different iptables rules on reboot |
| 00:18.07 | \amethyst | trueboar: could you pastebin the results of iptables -L; iptables -t nat -L ? |
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| 00:25.53 | trueboar | \amethyst, well... i hope there is not any security hole ;-) http://pastebin.com/d32ab65b6 |
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| 00:27.17 | v4nelle | guys,dist-upgrade to lenny wnt to remove gnome-desktop-environment...any help? |
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| 00:32.05 | abrotman | v4nelle: reinstall it after the upgrade process finishes |
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| 00:33.21 | v4nelle | abrotman, i try it,but sid can't install this package |
| 00:33.47 | abrotman | then sounds like something is wrong .. show us your sources.list |
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| 00:34.30 | tech13 | winecfg, vmware and a couple other programs cause xorg to crash on my system. Xorg.0.log at http://debian.pastebin.com/d60212d00 How do i go about fixing it? |
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| 00:38.16 | trueboar | \amethyst, are you there? |
| 00:38.47 | ecadre | two knocks for yes |
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| 00:41.23 | ecadre | v4nelle: that meta package definitely in Sid, so it sounds like either an aptitude update gone wrong or your sources.list file is incorrect. |
| 00:43.35 | v4nelle | acantha, i make all changes to ustable on sources.list |
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| 00:44.37 | lymeca | My sshd is refusing remote port forwarding for ports less than 1024. How can I disable this? |
| 00:45.51 | jelly-home | lymeca: be root. |
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| 00:47.23 | NiLon | I have / on hda and /home at hdd and now hda is failing and I need to move everything from hda to hdd and remove that hda completely from machine but problem is that how I do that copying :p |
| 00:47.52 | acu | hey guys - I got a (few) kick ass webcam Logitech Pro 9000 - with Ekiga works magic - however I cannot get full resolution 1600x1200 which the webcam can do - is any place I can change that ? |
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| 00:48.47 | trueboar | \amethyst, thanks for help, ill get back to it tommorow, good night |
| 00:49.50 | acu | Nilon: there are at least two ways - there is a program called dd and one for backup - mondorescue look up |
| 00:49.58 | acu | ! dd |
| 00:49.59 | dpkg | [dd] a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 00:50.00 | NiLon | will do |
| 00:50.07 | Caelum | what's the kernel module for lvm? |
| 00:50.27 | acu | ! mondorescue |
| 00:50.38 | acu | ! mondo rescue |
| 00:50.44 | NiLon | thought I could just reinstall whole system |
| 00:50.49 | NiLon | I think it's easier too |
| 00:51.57 | acu | yes - but is cool to learn something usefull in long run - mondo rescue is not in the current repositories though is one of the most professional program out there http://www.mondorescue.org/ |
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| 00:52.38 | jelly-home | judd: versions mondo |
| 00:52.39 | judd | jelly-home: mondo -- etch: 2.20-1.1 sid: 1:2.2.7-2 squeeze: 1:2.2.7-2 |
| 00:53.14 | NiLon | acu true :) |
| 00:53.16 | jelly-home | that's interesting |
| 00:53.32 | NiLon | nothing to lose now too when I have backups anyway :) |
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| 00:58.38 | NiLon | acu basically I could just do backup of /home and then do dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdd and then copy /home back, right? |
| 00:59.48 | NiLon | but there's some confs I need to take care of with that tho |
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| 01:01.08 | acu | NiLon: there are settings on /var |
| 01:01.14 | acu | etc |
| 01:01.23 | acu | also on /usr |
| 01:01.41 | acu | I would to a whole think - |
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| 01:06.02 | worr | Hey guys! |
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| 01:08.26 | Ejdesgaard| | !dpkg puppet |
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| 01:11.51 | GAdmiral_Matt | greetings |
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| 01:12.31 | GAdmiral_Matt | I have a question, is Debian linux participating in Google Summer of Code this year? |
| 01:12.44 | dennda | I just upgraded my box from etch to lenny. Now postfix gives me "warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory" |
| 01:12.44 | GAdmiral_Matt | if so, what are the project ideas? |
| 01:12.53 | dennda | saslauthd is running, though. What's the problem? |
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| 01:14.03 | abrotman | GAdmiral_Matt: they just sent an email about that |
| 01:14.10 | themill | GAdmiral_Matt: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/03/msg00003.html |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | GAdmiral_Matt: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/03/msg00003.html |
| 01:14.24 | abrotman | bah |
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| 01:15.18 | GAdmiral_Matt | thanks |
| 01:15.49 | Mood | is linux/debian like Windoz when installing/removing apps? i.e. upon removal, windoz leaves all sorts of dlls and dependencies lying around that may bog down computer resources |
| 01:16.14 | GAdmiral_Matt | for the most part that depends upon the package manager |
| 01:16.18 | gparent | Neither Debian nor Windows does that. |
| 01:16.30 | gparent | It depends on the package/application, and no, it shouldn't.é |
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| 01:16.39 | GAdmiral_Matt | you can have things left over but only if the user explicitly does things |
| 01:16.45 | dondelelcaro | Mood: not if you're using aptitude... and it's not like extra dependencies have anything to do with using "computer resources" |
| 01:16.58 | amphi | Mood: packages installed automatically as dependencies are removed when nothing depends on them |
| 01:17.06 | GAdmiral_Matt | yeah |
| 01:17.07 | Zharf | dondelelcaro, HD space is a computer resource! |
| 01:17.08 | Mood | i use apt-get |
| 01:17.09 | Zharf | :) |
| 01:17.13 | GAdmiral_Matt | :) |
| 01:17.48 | themill | Mood: /msg dpkg why aptitude ; /msg dpkg autoremove ; /msg dpkg deborphan |
| 01:18.04 | Mood | i thought windoz dlls left in the system, system32 dirs and registries will bog down resources over time |
| 01:18.10 | themill | Mood: apt-get with lenny will handle that too, but not with etch. |
| 01:18.19 | abrotman | Mood: not relevant in this channel |
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| 01:18.39 | martianlobster | When I do nmap on my debian server, from over the internet I see this: http://acumen.dyndns.biz/outside.view.txt when I do it from the server I see this http://acumen.dyndns.biz/internal.view.txt When I do netstat -pantu, the ports at 137, 445, 1433, 1434 do not appear open. When I shut the server down, all the ports are down, and that demonstrates, there isn't a router in between playing tricks. Does anyone know what co |
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| 01:19.52 | Mood | abrotman: ok. the reason i'm asking is because i want to try linux skype on my debian/lenny, but since it's a slow computer, i'd like to easily uninstall everything if i don't like it |
| 01:20.09 | GAdmiral_Matt | that should be no problem |
| 01:20.12 | martianlobster | brb afk |
| 01:20.13 | GAdmiral_Matt | especially if you use apt-get |
| 01:20.27 | Mood | themill: thanks for the dpkg suggestions, quite informative |
| 01:20.35 | gparent | Never heard of that OS called windoz |
| 01:21.08 | CuteAlien | Hi. I have somewhat messed up my nvidia drivers. For some reason the /usr/lib/libGL.so is after a reboot resetted to a link to an older version (which no longer exists). I can fix it each time by hand ... but mabe someone knows how I can stop this? |
| 01:22.08 | CuteAlien | not even 100% sure if it's reboot causing this - but I don't think I did anything else since last time I fixed it. |
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| 01:24.16 | xst | Can I somehow, as root, ensure, that all files and dirs created by users within a certain dir gets certain permissions (e.g. enable group write permission)? |
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| 01:25.40 | dkr | xst: use the setgid bit |
| 01:25.58 | dkr | xst: if dir has setgid bit set then files create in that dir will be group-owned by the same group as the dir |
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| 01:26.27 | dkr | ops, but that won't help with setting the group write perm. for that they all need to have umask 002 |
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| 01:27.38 | LamerC | Hello. I have a program that needs realtime support. I'm using the latest Debian which uses 2.6.26 version of the kernel. Do I need to recompile the kernel from sources directly or do I need to apply an external real-time patch? |
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| 01:28.19 | xst | dkr: But can I somehow set a umask for a dir? |
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| 01:28.50 | \amethyst | xst: if your filesystem has ACLs enabled, you can do: setfacl -m default:g::rwx directory (in addition to setting the sgid bit to ensure the files have the right group ownership) |
| 01:28.53 | martianlobster | back |
| 01:28.56 | dkr | xst: you can't that I know of. since that is user based. if you are exporting a dir via samba or the like you can force perms of created files... |
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| 01:29.56 | blahdeblah | Hi. Is it normal for the first 'aptitude upgrade' in the etch -> lenny upgrade process to take a *freaking* long time? On my system, aptitude has been running for 27 minutes so far (chewing 100% of 1 CPU core) trying to resolve dependencies. (I'm down to 27 open dependencies on last iteration, but each iteration seems to be getting slower and slower.) |
| 01:30.00 | dennda | saslauthd is running, though. What's the problem? |
| 01:30.05 | dennda | I just upgraded my box from etch to lenny. Now postfix gives me "warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory" |
| 01:30.17 | \amethyst | blahdeblah: did you upgrade to the new version of aptitude first? |
| 01:30.24 | xst | \amethyst: Its a debian Lenny and the terminal doesn't recognize "setfacl". Isn't ACL install in the standard kernel? |
| 01:30.25 | blahdeblah | \amethyst: yep |
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| 01:30.54 | \amethyst | xst: The programs are in the 'acl' package. Depending on your filesystem, you may have to set a mount option to turn on acls on that filesystem |
| 01:30.57 | ecadre | safe-upgrade |
| 01:30.59 | blahdeblah | \amethyst: I'm following the release notes in one window while i run the commands in the other |
| 01:32.39 | \amethyst | xst: for ext3/ext2 you'd add 'acl' to the mount options in fstab. You can use mount /mmountpoint -o remount,acl to turn them on for an already mounted filesystem |
| 01:32.48 | magyar | hi, is it possible to get usb working on virtualbox opensource edition? |
| 01:33.06 | xst | ok, thanks |
| 01:33.11 | \amethyst | magyar: OSE doesn't do USB emulation---that's one of the features of the commercial version |
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| 01:33.18 | blahdeblah | Woot! An extra 5 minutes and i'm down to 21 open dependencies! Less than 1 dependency per minute :-( |
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| 01:34.18 | \amethyst | magyar: (which you can get and use gratis for personal use, but you'll need to get support in #vbox |
| 01:34.22 | \amethyst | ) |
| 01:35.48 | xst | amethyst: Is ACL perfectly safe to add on a running production server? |
| 01:35.59 | blahdeblah | dennda: Sounds to me like it's trying to use Unix sockets to connect to saslauthd and they're either not in the right place or not accessible due to permissions. What does 'netstat -pln|grep sasl' give you? |
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| 01:36.35 | dennda | blahdeblah: unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 268795462 15849/saslauthd /var/run/saslauthd/mux |
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| 01:37.16 | blahdeblah | dennda: On my system, that file is inside /var/spool/postfix - looks like saslauthd needs to be reconfigured for postfix's chroot jail |
| 01:37.19 | maxagaz | what is the command to get the time in a terminal ? |
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| 01:37.30 | abrotman | date |
| 01:37.32 | dennda | blahdeblah: how do I do that? |
| 01:37.37 | GAdmiral_Matt | isn't it just time |
| 01:37.38 | magyar | \amethyst: thanks |
| 01:37.39 | GAdmiral_Matt | or wait |
| 01:37.41 | GAdmiral_Matt | date |
| 01:37.56 | blahdeblah | Check the doco in /usr/share/doc - i can't remember; it's been so long since i touched it |
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| 01:38.05 | \amethyst | xst: I've never had a problem with it. It should have no effect until you actually start creating ACLs |
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| 01:39.51 | CoolHand | I had all my partitions disappear from my harddrive today when I took a power hit... the 'testdisk' program recovered them instantly... it is sweet! I highly recommend it! |
| 01:39.58 | dennda | blahdeblah: the docs for saslauthd, right? |
| 01:40.05 | blahdeblah | dennda: I guess so |
| 01:40.09 | blahdeblah | Could be in postfix as well |
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| 01:40.30 | blahdeblah | CoolHand: yeah - its companion program photorec has saved me from disaster too! |
| 01:40.41 | xst | What happens if I make a typo in the mount options for "/" in /etc/fstab? Will the machine still be able to boot? |
| 01:41.00 | blahdeblah | xst: not if you've done a good job of it! ;-) |
| 01:41.54 | xst | Now I have this line in fstab, is that valid? /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 / ext3 defaults,acl,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 01:42.29 | dennda | blahdeblah: /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf points to the path your command has given me |
| 01:42.29 | blahdeblah | Grrrr!!! After 40 minutes, aptitude bombed out on me with unmet dependencies on amarok-xine :-( |
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| 01:42.50 | blahdeblah | dennda: yeah, but that's relative to postfix's root jail |
| 01:43.01 | dennda | blahdeblah: I'm a bit lost, tbh |
| 01:43.26 | dennda | blahdeblah: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/107201/ |
| 01:43.53 | \amethyst | xst: looks okay, though I'm not familiar with /dev/cciss ... you can test that it works with mount / -o remount |
| 01:44.17 | blahdeblah | dennda: You need to find out where sasl creates its socket and add /var/spool/postfix in front of it - try /etc/default/saslauthd |
| 01:44.23 | gaintsura | does a shuck and jive |
| 01:44.24 | roe_ | I am trying to make a debian installation as small as I can. How do I remove all the extra languages in /usr/share/locale |
| 01:44.31 | \amethyst | xst: that will give you an error like 'mount: / not mounted already, or bad option' if there is a problem |
| 01:44.50 | worr | roe_: localepurge |
| 01:44.58 | worr | its kinda an ugly hack, but it works |
| 01:45.13 | worr | it'll get rid of man pages in a different language too |
| 01:45.17 | dennda | ah |
| 01:45.49 | xst | amethyst: I did the remount without problems (aparently). How can I see, if the file system actually supports acl now? |
| 01:46.23 | blahdeblah | xst: Remount it rw first! ;-) |
| 01:46.45 | blahdeblah | xst: Ignore last comment |
| 01:46.58 | roe_ | worr, running localepurge didn't shrink my /usr/share/locale dir |
| 01:46.59 | blahdeblah | I thought \amethyst suggested remount ro |
| 01:47.24 | worr | what's in there? |
| 01:47.40 | roe_ | 73M of language folders |
| 01:48.21 | dennda | blahdeblah: Thanks! That was it. You just saved me a lot of nerves. (I am doing an upgrade from etch to lenny at the moment and most of my services require tweaking to run again) :/ |
| 01:48.22 | \amethyst | xst: you can check the output of mount and then (if 'acl' is there) try using setfacl |
| 01:48.36 | dennda | i got mail, jabber and web already though (afaict) |
| 01:48.39 | blahdeblah | dennda: Good to hear! I'll send you the bill later ;-) |
| 01:48.54 | \amethyst | xst: if you try setting an ACL on a FS that doesn't support it (or where it's disabled), you'll get "Operation not supported" |
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| 01:49.04 | dennda | blahdeblah: no need to hurry. i bet there'll be other questions arising |
| 01:49.09 | blahdeblah | :-D |
| 01:49.10 | dennda | net yet finished the transition |
| 01:49.22 | dennda | I set this thing up ages ago |
| 01:49.33 | blahdeblah | Well maybe you can help me once my next 45 minute aptitude run has finished... |
| 01:50.25 | \amethyst | xst: if a file has (non-basic) ACLs set, ls -l will show a '+' after the permission string; you can use getfacl to read them |
| 01:51.05 | worr | roe_: remove them by hand, and do a dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales to make sure it only generates the locales you need |
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| 01:51.57 | dennda | mysql is automatically started with my system. I do not want that. What do I need to change? |
| 01:51.57 | abrotman | man update-rc.d |
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| 01:52.22 | dennda | thx |
| 01:52.55 | xst | amethyst: Thanx! |
| 01:53.30 | \amethyst | xst: one thing to be aware of is that not all backup programs preserve ACLs |
| 01:53.58 | xst | good point. I use rsync to a box that does not support it |
| 01:54.18 | worr | \amethyst: do you know if bacula supports acls off the top of your head? |
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| 01:55.22 | \amethyst | worr: it appears so, but you might have to turn it on: http://www.bacula.org/en/rel-manual/Configuring_Director.html#ACLSupport |
| 01:55.38 | worr | awesome, thanks. |
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| 01:58.56 | \amethyst | xst: you can run getfacl -R directory/ > saved.acls to save all the ACLs, then setfacl --restore saved.acls to restore the permissions |
| 01:59.30 | xst | amethyst: Perfect! Thnx a lot! |
| 02:00.22 | \amethyst | xst: you probably want to give getfacl -R an absolute pathname; otherwise you'll have to run setfacl --restore from the same directory |
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| 02:00.32 | xst | yep |
| 02:00.50 | \amethyst | xst: oh, hm... actually, it looks like it strips off the '/' anyway |
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| 02:02.05 | \amethyst | xst: you can use getfacl --absolute-names -R to avoid that behaviour; or cd / before restoring |
| 02:02.20 | xst | nice |
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| 02:03.35 | Mood | if a dpkg -i failed due to missing dependencies (and debian told me it was missing and never completed), is there anything that i need to remove or do? |
| 02:04.16 | dondelelcaro | Mood: depends on the precise output. If you provide it, we can tell you what to d |
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| 02:05.08 | blahdeblah | Wow. Aptitude only took 20 minutes to resolve dependencies that time. |
| 02:07.35 | Mood | http://paste.ubuntu.com/129036/ [my prior question was if a dpkg -i failed due to missing dependencies (and debian told me it was missing and never completed), is there anything that i need to remove or do?] |
| 02:07.41 | \amethyst | phrozen77: is this running in a loop? |
| 02:07.47 | \amethyst | phrozen77: oops, wrong channel, wrong nick |
| 02:08.40 | Mood | now my Update Manager is saying that i need to install all these libqt4 libraries, but i think it's due to the failed skype install -- i changed my mind and i no longer want to install it... what do i need to do to remove libqt4 from my to-do list? |
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| 02:10.24 | blahdeblah | Mood: dpkg --purge libqt4? |
| 02:10.28 | jpinx | Mood what version of Debian are you running? |
| 02:10.34 | Mood | jpinx: lenny |
| 02:10.47 | blahdeblah | Mood: (that was a question, not a suggestion to put a ? on the end of the command) |
| 02:11.11 | blahdeblah | Mood: or dpkg --purge skype might be more appropriate |
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| 02:11.23 | Mood | blahdeblah: is there a way to first ... ahh... ok, that was my question :-) |
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| 02:11.51 | jpinx | Mood when I installe skype I just installed those dependencies by hand |
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| 02:12.08 | jpinx | and it works fine |
| 02:12.39 | jpinx | Mood I used aptitude install -- not apt-get install |
| 02:12.48 | Mood | jpinx: i had a change of heart on installing skype on my linux :-) |
| 02:13.13 | jpinx | Mood works for me (tm) ;) |
| 02:13.25 | Mood | blahdeblah: after the purge, how do i re-check to see whether my system expects libqt4? |
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| 02:13.49 | jpinx | mood - better to do aptitude purge skype - it takes care of dependencies better |
| 02:14.03 | blahdeblah | Mood: what jpinx said |
| 02:14.19 | Mood | i already uysed dpkg --purge :-( |
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| 02:14.32 | jpinx | it's ok - do aptitude purge now;) |
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| 02:14.50 | jpinx | it'll report any oddities |
| 02:15.09 | Mood | sudo aptitude --purge skype? |
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| 02:15.15 | jpinx | yep |
| 02:15.28 | Mood | hmm.. doesn't like the -- |
| 02:15.32 | jpinx | without the "?" |
| 02:15.41 | jpinx | sorry - no -- either |
| 02:16.06 | jpinx | just do :~$ sudo aptitude purge skype |
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| 02:17.41 | Mood | so purge (either apt-get, dpkg, aptitude) removes dependencies by reading the dependency DB, and essentially travels down the application "branches" and prunes accordingly, right? (using gardening metaphor to visualize) |
| 02:18.13 | jpinx | aptitude does - apt-get or dpkg do not |
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| 02:18.37 | Caelum | is it possible to install grub from a chroot? |
| 02:18.42 | Caelum | it can't find any partitions |
| 02:18.45 | jpinx | those are three different commands - aptitude is the newest and best |
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| 02:19.21 | dabreegster | I'm deploying systems soon with lenny, and I'm having an xorg bug.. It doesn't autodetect the modelines/refresh rates correctly for LCD monitors. For the old CRTs it does fine, but new LCDs say "cannot display this video mode" after x starts. I have a horizsync, vertrefresh, and modeline in my xorg.conf manually, but I don't know what monitors will be hooked to the machines; I need it to autodetect. The video cards are onboard geforce 6 |
| 02:19.55 | abrotman | jpinx: apt-get does now |
| 02:21.05 | jpinx | cool - has it been "upgraded"? |
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| 02:24.09 | Mood | jpinx and blahdeblah: thank you kind sirs. that worked perfectly |
| 02:24.26 | blahdeblah | Mood: cool! Glad to help |
| 02:24.33 | jpinx | yw Mood |
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| 02:27.03 | Caelum | do I have to update-initramfs if I change the root device? |
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| 02:27.34 | gaintsura | is there a way to list all iptables rules as they would be put into the table via command line and output it into a file? |
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| 02:28.18 | Caelum | does just in case |
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| 02:36.30 | LinuxGuru | how do i allow write access to /var/www/localhost/htdocs |
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| 02:38.02 | abrotman | for which user? |
| 02:38.05 | abrotman | guru ? |
| 02:38.12 | LinuxGuru | nah just global |
| 02:38.19 | abrotman | you don't |
| 02:38.22 | LinuxGuru | its a private box just for me so im not too worried lol |
| 02:38.27 | LinuxGuru | i did it before |
| 02:38.31 | tech13 | LinuxGuru, as root: chmod go+w /var/www/localhost/htdocs will do it. |
| 02:38.33 | LinuxGuru | just cant rememeber how lol |
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| 02:39.41 | abrotman | or learn how to do it properly |
| 02:40.22 | LinuxGuru | abrotman: like i said its my personal box do i care if everyone has access to write to it? No i dont becasue its for ME! |
| 02:40.46 | LinuxGuru | tech13 that didnt work |
| 02:40.46 | abrotman | then why do that at all .. why not change your DocumentRoot to a place you can write to |
| 02:41.12 | LinuxGuru | abrotman: means ill have to change 200 scripts which i dont have time for |
| 02:41.25 | abrotman | then you did it wrong to begin with |
| 02:41.36 | gparent | in this chat we lecture people who don't care for obvious reasons |
| 02:41.59 | LinuxGuru | seems like it |
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| 02:42.17 | LinuxGuru | nevermind tech13 i didnt add the directory correct lol |
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| 02:47.53 | K|NgGh0sT | alright, I just did a aptitude full-upgrade which removed my nvidia drivers, so when I tried to do the nvidia m-a install it installs correctly but when I try to start X it just dies |
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| 02:48.38 | \amethyst | K|NgGh0sT: did your kernel get upgraded? |
| 02:49.00 | K|NgGh0sT | \amethyst, no it's still 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 02:49.59 | \amethyst | K|NgGh0sT: what versions of nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686 do you have? |
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| 02:51.24 | K|NgGh0sT | Version 180.29-1+2.6.26-13 of nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686 already installed, skipping. |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | wonders why \amethyst never sleeps |
| 02:52.16 | \amethyst | K|NgGh0sT: and the same version of nvidia-glx ? |
| 02:52.21 | \amethyst | K|NgGh0sT: dpkg -l nvidia-glx |
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| 02:52.45 | K|NgGh0sT | \amethys, |
| 02:52.45 | K|NgGh0sT | ii nvidia-glx 180.29-1 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver |
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| 02:53.20 | K|NgGh0sT | II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 180.29 Wed Feb 4 23:50:44 PST 2009, (WW) NVIDIA(0): The NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900 GPU installed in this system is (WW) NVIDIA(0): supported through the NVIDIA 173.14.xx Legacy drivers |
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| 02:53.24 | K|NgGh0sT | thats in the Xorg.0.log |
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| 02:54.50 | \amethyst | K|NgGh0sT: oh.... sounds like you'll have to go back to the previous version of all those packages then |
| 02:54.53 | \amethyst | K|NgGh0sT: and hold them |
| 02:54.58 | CuriousJorge | How would I make nohup output using the PID, ie nohup command > /home/$1 where $1 is the PID? |
| 02:55.09 | K|NgGh0sT | \amethyst, how do I do that? |
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| 02:55.53 | \amethyst | K|NgGh0sT: get the lenny versions of nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source from packages.debian.org; install them; and rebuild the module |
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| 02:56.02 | dondelelcaro | CuriousJorge: you can't, because the pid won't be known until after the process has started, which is before the output file is opened |
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| 02:56.15 | \amethyst | K|NgGh0sT: then aptitude hold nvidia-glx 'nvidia-kernel-*' so they won't be auto-upgraded in the future |
| 02:56.17 | dondelelcaro | CuriousJorge: if you want something like that, the process should open its own output file |
| 02:56.29 | CuriousJorge | Fair enough, thanks dondelelcaro |
| 02:57.33 | \amethyst | K|NgGh0sT: at some point there will probably be a newer nvidia-glx-legacy package, but right now the newest legacy drivers are at 96.xx |
| 02:57.56 | K|NgGh0sT | \amethyst, that site doesn't work |
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| 02:58.26 | \amethyst | K|NgGh0sT: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/nvidia-glx for example |
| 02:58.44 | PiousMinion | Is squeeze any less stable than lenny was before package freezing started? |
| 02:58.57 | dondelelcaro | PiousMinion: impossible to answer |
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| 02:59.05 | \amethyst | K|NgGh0sT: down at the bottom there is a link that says 'i386'; that will give you the 32-bit version of the package |
| 02:59.06 | dondelelcaro | PiousMinion: its stability is a non-constant function |
| 02:59.42 | PiousMinion | dondelelcaro: what about an answer entirely based on opinion of the current state as of today? |
| 02:59.46 | K|NgGh0sT | This webpage is not available. The webpage at http://packages.debian.org/lenny/nvidia-glx might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address. |
| 03:00.05 | \amethyst | K|NgGh0sT: something's wrong with your DNS or something then |
| 03:00.15 | PiousMinion | K|NgGh0sT: that link works perfectly for me. |
| 03:00.22 | abrotman | and me! |
| 03:00.24 | dondelelcaro | PiousMinion: it works for some people, and doesn't for others. How stable it is depends on the precise set of packages that you're using and what you're doing |
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| 03:00.26 | \amethyst | K|NgGh0sT: or with the network between you and packages.debian.org |
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| 03:00.42 | K|NgGh0sT | argh, lemme see what I can do |
| 03:00.50 | sanmarcos | a normal user can only list his processes with ps ax right?, not root's or other users processes? |
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| 03:01.12 | abrotman | sanmarcos: ps aux ? |
| 03:01.12 | dkr | sanmarcos: no |
| 03:01.13 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: any user can see the processes that any other user is running by default |
| 03:01.40 | sanmarcos | weird, I can only see my processes on a lenny box |
| 03:01.42 | sanmarcos | using ps aux, could it be selinux or something? |
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| 03:02.38 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: is this your computer or a hosted one? |
| 03:02.47 | PiousMinion | dondelelcaro: Ok. would you recommend it to someone who used lenny before package freezing? I'm not looking for a guarantee as I expect some things to be broken. I'm just trying to get a general ballpark idea. |
| 03:02.52 | sanmarcos | \amethyst: hosted |
| 03:03.07 | abrotman | PiousMinion: it might work fine today, and blow up tomorrow .. can you afford to have this box do that ? |
| 03:03.20 | PiousMinion | abrotman: sure |
| 03:03.26 | abrotman | then why even ask ? :) |
| 03:03.49 | PiousMinion | idk. lol |
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| 03:04.09 | dkr | hs bff jill wntd 2 no |
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| 03:04.38 | abrotman | dkr: does it hurt to write like that? :) |
| 03:05.11 | dkr | abrotman: I did have to backspace a couple times to compose it. :) |
| 03:05.22 | PiousMinion | ok, what about the installer? Does that work today or am I risking an OS wipe for nothing? |
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| 03:05.39 | abrotman | PiousMinion: if you're already running lenny, just dist-upgrade |
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| 03:05.52 | dondelelcaro | PiousMinion: the stable installer works; it's not like you can't installs table and upgrade |
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| 03:06.11 | Gh0sTeE | \amethyst, alright I am downloading that package now |
| 03:06.18 | PiousMinion | dondelelcaro, abrotman: thanks for the info. :) |
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| 03:07.23 | sanmarcos | \amethyst: any ideas, I don't see this behavior on my box |
| 03:07.32 | Gh0sTeE | \amethyst, afterwards I just dpkg -i these two packages right? |
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| 03:07.58 | \amethyst | Gh0sTeE: yes, then use m-a to rebuild and install the nvidia-kernel modules again |
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| 03:08.18 | \amethyst | Gh0sTeE: then aptitude hold nvidia-glx 'nvidia-kernel-*' so they won't be auto-upgraded in the future |
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| 03:09.41 | Gh0sTeE | m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09-5_i386.deb <--- is that right? |
| 03:10.38 | Gh0sTeE | I guess so cause it worked |
| 03:10.48 | Gh0sTeE | Thanks \amethyst! You've been awesome |
| 03:11.15 | Gh0sTeE | When doing the hold I get the error of, Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "nvidia-kernel-*" |
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| 03:12.57 | keith4_ | how do I tell if a USB device is 1.1 or 2.0? |
| 03:14.06 | keith4_ | ah.... perhaps "bcdUSB" in the output of lsusb -v... |
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| 03:17.46 | enouf | dmesg |
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| 03:19.01 | JBstrikesagain | Debian Lenny i386, currently I have libswfdec-0.6-90 and in use on iceweasel, i had downloaded latest flash from adobe and installed that manually in ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplugin.so which worked, but after some time audio would get messed up.. i assume it was because i have not uninstalled libswfdec-0.6-90 If I go to aptitude removelibswfdec-0.6-90 it tries to remove gnome etc which i dont' want, what is the best way to ma |
| 03:19.01 | JBstrikesagain | nage this? |
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| 03:23.12 | johnrw | is Xdialog obsoleted |
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| 03:26.25 | master | http://sumardi1985.blogspot.com/ u can see |
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| 03:28.02 | jeeves | can someone give me the proper syntax for rsync? |
| 03:28.20 | julzmb | man rsync |
| 03:28.59 | julzmb | http://linuxmanpages.com/man1/rsync.1.php |
| 03:29.59 | Gun_Smoke | I'm using rdiff-backup |
| 03:30.11 | Gun_Smoke | lately.. |
| 03:30.13 | OpenTokix | jeeves: rsync -avP /path/to/source /where/you/want/it |
| 03:30.21 | jeeves | thanks, what I'm looking @ doing is using rdiff, but on Windows boxes to a Linux backend. and I'm getting lost |
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| 03:30.47 | keith4_ | JBstrikesagain, you having something against packaged flash player? |
| 03:30.48 | jeeves | OpenTokix, I'd like to so "rsync /home/* jeeves@remote_box.ca:/backup" |
| 03:30.58 | Gun_Smoke | lots of examples at rdiff's website |
| 03:31.12 | JBstrikesagain | keith4, well it doesn't seem to work as well as the one from adobe.. so yes |
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| 03:31.46 | jeeves | OpenTokix, and I'm getting a LOT of "premission denied" syntax |
| 03:31.56 | keith4_ | JBstrikesagain, are you comparing the same version? |
| 03:32.22 | keith4_ | jeeves, /home/* will miss all of you .files |
| 03:32.24 | OpenTokix | jeeves: are you doing i as root? - You are probably getting "I cant set the rivght permission on the remove box" |
| 03:32.32 | JBstrikesagain | keith4, i'm comparing the version installed with debian and the latest version from adobe.. |
| 03:32.44 | keith4_ | jeeves, oh, on a windows box. nevermind |
| 03:33.00 | keith4_ | JBstrikesagain, there is no version "installed with debian". are you comparing 9 to 10? or 10 to 10? |
| 03:33.04 | jeeves | OpenTokix, it's the same user on both systems, and I'm trying to backup the /home/ dir of a system |
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| 03:33.50 | JBstrikesagain | libswfdecmozilla.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100, libswfdec-0.6-90 compared to 10 from adobe |
| 03:33.53 | jeeves | keith4, I need to acomplish 2 things. the backup from one Linux box to another one, and backup from Wndows servers to the Linux box |
| 03:34.50 | keith4_ | JBstrikesagain, well, that's hardly fair |
| 03:35.09 | keith4_ | JBstrikesagain, maybe you should install the packaged flash 10, and compare it |
| 03:35.26 | JBstrikesagain | keith4, what do you mean "the package flash 10" |
| 03:35.42 | keith4_ | i mean... install the debian package of flash 10, instead of 9 |
| 03:35.46 | jeeves | OpenTokix, could you help me figure this rsync problem out first? |
| 03:35.47 | JBstrikesagain | is that in testing/unstable? i saw there is flashplugin-nonfree from backports.org but i dont know backports.org well.. |
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| 03:36.11 | keith4_ | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 03:36.22 | JBstrikesagain | keith4, in the past i have used aptitude install <package>/unstable to get stuff from other releases.. can i do that with flashplugin-nonfree to get 10 ? |
| 03:36.26 | keith4_ | or, you could just download the package and install it manually, since it has no dependencies |
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| 03:36.49 | launch | Hi, is there a debian package for emu86? |
| 03:37.01 | keith4_ | !tell launch about search |
| 03:37.20 | JBstrikesagain | keith4, another issue i am having is, i had previously installed the flashpluing directly from adobe, which worked for awhile, but after some time there were audio issues. i assumed htis might be related to having both flash 9 and flash10 installed at the same time, so i wanted to remove flash9 but when i do this it wants to remove gnome as a dependency.. how to resolve that? |
| 03:37.33 | keith4_ | that's interesting |
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| 03:44.52 | tecneeq_ | here kids, have some pr0n: http://www.tecneeq.de/pr0n/index.html |
| 03:45.19 | \amethyst | hm |
| 03:45.20 | oh_noes | Is there an architecture for apt/apt-ftpachirive for cross platform independant stuff? Ie. Java applications |
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| 03:45.56 | tecneeq_ | oh_noes: apt-src? |
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| 03:46.04 | oh_noes | At the moment, our application is publishing at i386 which obviously isnt correct, instead of publishing it twice to i386 and amd64 I thought I'd be beter to change a cross-platform one. |
| 03:46.22 | oh_noes | tecneeq_: well, it's not really source. It's java |
| 03:46.49 | tecneeq_ | so it's binary. how can that be platform independent? |
| 03:46.59 | \amethyst | Does anyone happen to know: if you have a cron job set for 01:30 and your local time zone observes DST, does that job get run twice when DST ends? |
| 03:47.02 | tecneeq_ | but i see your point |
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| 03:47.49 | oh_noes | yeah, I'm sure I'm not the first person to want to publish java into apt. |
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| 03:47.52 | tecneeq_ | \amethyst: i would say yes. but on the other side, there will be a day where it doesn't run at all ;) |
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| 03:48.31 | Arrowmaster | 1:30 happens every day |
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| 03:48.39 | \amethyst | tecneeq_: yeah, that would be my guess... I guess that's another reason to use UTC for the system time zone |
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| 03:48.48 | \amethyst | oh |
| 03:48.51 | Arrowmaster | its the 2am hour thats skipped when DST begins |
| 03:48.53 | \amethyst | yeah, 2:30 would not happen |
| 03:49.49 | tecneeq_ | Arrowmaster: so the clock jumps from 01:00 to 03:00? |
| 03:49.53 | \amethyst | AHA |
| 03:49.58 | \amethyst | tecneeq_: 2:00 to 3:00 |
| 03:50.06 | \amethyst | tecneeq_: it seems cron has some logic for that |
| 03:50.14 | tecneeq_ | i see |
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| 03:50.36 | Arrowmaster | the clock goes from 1:59:59 to 3:00:00 |
| 03:50.52 | \amethyst | it was described in man cron, while I was looking in man 5 crontab |
| 03:51.38 | tecneeq_ | Arrowmaster: when would a cronjob scheduled for 2:30 run? never? sooner? later? |
| 03:51.45 | tecneeq_ | might be a problem in any case |
| 03:51.50 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 03:52.01 | \amethyst | tecneeq_: according to man cron it will be run "soon after the change" |
| 03:52.07 | tecneeq_ | hehe |
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| 03:53.37 | tecneeq_ | well, let's hope then that your cronjob doesn't send flight correction data to a sattelite or so, could get pricey |
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| 03:54.25 | tecneeq_ | Boss: You are supposed to send that data 2:30 AM to the ISS, what happened? You: But, But! |
| 03:54.43 | asdgasd | alternative to what |
| 03:55.48 | \amethyst | tecneeq_: you shouldn't be using a time zone with DST in that case :) |
| 03:55.55 | \amethyst | asdgasd: to good ones :) |
| 03:56.08 | asdgasd | lol |
| 03:56.19 | asdgasd | i'm building the next better irc protocol |
| 03:56.24 | asdgasd | it'll be nice |
| 03:56.38 | asdgasd | i can't go into detail... |
| 03:56.59 | asdgasd | well i can but i choose not to |
| 03:57.08 | sepult | anyone's got the sources for kdepimlibs ? with apt-get source ? |
| 03:57.12 | asdgasd | anybody ever get debian to run on one of those fruity imacs |
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| 03:57.37 | asdgasd | and have it not start shrieking every time X opened |
| 03:57.37 | dmoerner | asdgasd, i have sid runnin on an imac g3 |
| 03:57.40 | sepult | why is debian/rules says libkdepim5 a dependancy of itself ? |
| 03:57.43 | dmoerner | ...but without x |
| 03:57.47 | asdgasd | that was a problem for me |
| 03:58.33 | tecneeq_ | dmoerner: wich kind of imac? i have a bunch of first gen bondi blues |
| 03:58.46 | dmoerner | blue first gen |
| 03:58.52 | tecneeq_ | sweet :) |
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| 03:59.10 | tecneeq_ | maybe i'll give it a shot. might be enough for watching movies |
| 03:59.17 | tecneeq_ | aalib to the rescue ;) |
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| 04:00.45 | lokoabreu | hi |
| 04:01.04 | lokoabreu | any idea how to fix this |
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| 04:02.03 | enouf | 50/50 |
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| 04:03.09 | caimlas | I've rebuilt the 'stock' debian kernel (just changed a couple options - removed old IDE and added libata) to try and resolve an issue. System has swap and root on an lvm2 volume. root= path for kernel is "/dev/mapper/sentinel-root" which works fine for the stock and older kernel I built with the old ide support built-in. However, when I boot the kernel with libata, I get 'Volume Group 'sentinel' not found' repeated twice to the display, t |
| 04:03.09 | caimlas | hen nothing. How might I readdress things within grub to fix this, or is there something else I need to do? |
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| 04:03.57 | caimlas | I also tried changing root= to /dev/sda, /dev/hda, as well as the /dev/sda2 on which the volume resides |
| 04:04.36 | caimlas | this is the 2.6.26 stock kernel in 5.0 |
| 04:05.03 | launch | how to know how much gigabyte i have on my fs |
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| 04:06.30 | node357 | launch, df -h |
| 04:06.34 | launch | thanks |
| 04:06.44 | node357 | no problem |
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| 04:18.58 | Alex_uit_Berlijn | hello |
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| 04:19.13 | Alex_uit_Berlijn | who is the apache chan? can i help me please? |
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| 04:19.57 | pl4yer0ne | can you help you? good question. |
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| 04:21.04 | Alex_uit_Berlijn | ups xD |
| 04:21.11 | Alex_uit_Berlijn | can me here where help |
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| 04:21.13 | Alex_uit_Berlijn | :P |
| 04:21.26 | Alex_uit_Berlijn | my english not good |
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| 04:24.25 | nsadmin | hi, I just got me one of these things: lsusb ==> "Bus 004 Device 006: ID 0bda:8189 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187B Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Adapter" |
| 04:24.32 | nsadmin | how do I use it? |
| 04:25.32 | nsadmin | Alex_uit_Berlijn: #apache |
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| 04:26.04 | nsadmin | is that what you were asking, what is apache channel? |
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| 04:28.52 | nsadmin | oh hey, looky dat... I did ifconfig -a and I have wlan0 and wmaster0 |
| 04:29.47 | nsadmin | can I do all the wireless stuff all in cli? |
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| 04:30.35 | nsadmin | like first I want to see if there's any waps near me (I didn't buy one yet :) |
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| 04:32.10 | nsadmin | !wireless |
| 04:32.10 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <rt2x00>, <rt28xx>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 04:32.59 | nsadmin | !wifi howto |
| 04:33.00 | dpkg | well, wifi howto is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
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| 04:35.55 | squisher | anyone here by change using bridge-utils? Recently my default route is not setup correctly anymore |
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| 04:36.27 | TooR4u | how to view the wireless network connection password, which is stored previously ..???? |
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| 04:42.37 | lymeca | OKay so my debian server was compromised and I found the culprit was a user on the system attacking the DB server |
| 04:42.53 | lymeca | In paranoia I ran "chmod 700 /etc -R" as root |
| 04:43.05 | lymeca | And now logins (as well as several others things maube??) are broken |
| 04:43.11 | lymeca | bash errors, etc. |
| 04:43.26 | lymeca | The compromised username has been isolated and dealt with |
| 04:43.48 | lymeca | But the /etc folder is now a mess permission-wise and I can't SSH into the machine. I have root access through a virtual termina though |
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| 04:44.06 | lymeca | How should I manage permissions of /etc to balance security and a non-broken system? |
| 04:44.40 | furrywolf | did this user get root access? |
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| 04:46.29 | lymeca | furrywolf: no |
| 04:46.35 | lymeca | they got root mysql access though |
| 04:46.42 | lymeca | nothing terribly harmful was done |
| 04:46.57 | lymeca | I've done damage control in MySQL-land, changing passwords and whatnot |
| 04:47.03 | lymeca | But I need to sort out my /etc permissions |
| 04:48.24 | khaije1_ | lymeca: so the only damage done to /etc was by your chmod? |
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| 04:48.57 | lymeca | khaije1: In essence, yes. |
| 04:49.14 | lymeca | They were able to look at a text file somewhere in /etc/ that had world read permissions |
| 04:49.20 | lymeca | this text file had MySQL DB login info |
| 04:49.22 | debian_noob | Hi.What is the version of OpenOffice.org in squeeze? |
| 04:49.43 | lymeca | So I made the whole thing only root-accessible more or less |
| 04:49.51 | lymeca | debian_noob: Check http://packages.debian.org |
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| 04:50.25 | debian_noob | I am using the testing repos and its still version 2.4 |
| 04:50.43 | debian_noob | while it is really 3. something |
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| 04:52.04 | khaije1 | lymeca: i'm not sure if there is a quick way to rollback a chmod change, i guess this is where backups would come in to play |
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| 04:54.02 | \amethyst | !why is openoffice.org not in testing |
| 04:54.02 | dpkg | openoffice.org is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=openoffice.org |
| 04:54.45 | khaije1 | lymeca: the only thing i can think of is to do a dpkg --reinstall or dpkg-configure (you should get a second opinion before trying this since i'm not certain)_ |
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| 04:55.06 | lymeca | khaije1: of which package(s) |
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| 04:55.36 | at0m|werk | all? dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 04:56.52 | at0m|werk | maybe you could recursively restore chmod from a backup? |
| 04:56.57 | oh_noes | Anyone experienced with apt-ftparchive? I'm trying to understand how apt-ftparchive/apt-archive determine which .deb file inside ./pool to send to the client's Architecture? |
| 04:57.08 | \amethyst | unfortunately dpkg --reinstall won't help much, since these are mostly conffiles |
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| 05:00.07 | lymeca | sendmail[28676]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 000000000040150f rsp 00007fffdf85f930 error 4 |
| 05:00.13 | lymeca | I'm not even running sendmail |
| 05:00.19 | lymeca | Why would I get sendmail segfaults? |
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| 05:01.03 | squisher | lymeca, are you sure they didn't get root? |
| 05:01.25 | lymeca | haha yeah |
| 05:01.31 | lymeca | and even if they did they can't log in now |
| 05:01.36 | squisher | :-) |
| 05:01.43 | lymeca | SSH logins are broken because my /etc directory has whacked permissions |
| 05:01.48 | squisher | that won't help if the root console is open like yours, right? :-P |
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| 05:02.19 | lymeca | I'm the only one logged in though |
| 05:02.35 | squisher | or so you think... it's called rootkit |
| 05:02.41 | squisher | is just teasing though |
| 05:04.06 | \amethyst | lymeca: you could do an install of the same packages on another machine, find their permissions there, and set the permissions on the broken machine based on that |
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| 05:04.32 | lymeca | Which packages are you talking about? |
| 05:05.03 | \amethyst | lymeca: every package you have installed on this system (or at least every package that has files in /etc) |
| 05:05.16 | \amethyst | lymeca: though I guess that won't help with new config files you have created locally |
| 05:05.32 | lymeca | Which there shouldn;t be to many of honestly |
| 05:05.39 | lymeca | I mostly modify what exists, not add new ones. |
| 05:05.45 | lymeca | kind of like how I program ;-) |
| 05:05.55 | martianixor | guys, anyone experienced a crash with firefox when trying to save a page or download any file with a specific add-on activated? |
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| 05:06.25 | martianixor | with a specific enabled add-on I meant? |
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| 05:06.51 | noob | Any idea on how to upgrade to version 3.*? |
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| 05:07.33 | martianixor | if anyone had that problem and know which add-on was it, please let me know to disable it instead of having to trying a looong list of add-ons |
| 05:07.39 | martianixor | s/trying/try/ |
| 05:08.14 | debian_n00b | aptitude upgrade doesnt work |
| 05:08.22 | debian_n00b | its still 2.4 |
| 05:08.23 | martianixor | thanks in advance |
| 05:08.48 | \amethyst | martianixor: you can use binary search to make your life easier |
| 05:09.03 | martianixor | \amethyst: binary search? |
| 05:09.11 | zdark | Guys, is it any possible to use checksum through out iptables by mangle's application that access a tcp port and liberate only expecifics checksums ? |
| 05:09.32 | martianixor | \amethyst: I'll be looking into that, thanks for the hint |
| 05:09.57 | \amethyst | martianixor: instead of disabling them one-at-a-time: first disable the first half of the extensions. It it's fixed, you know the problem is in one of those extensions. Otherwise it is in the second half |
| 05:10.47 | \amethyst | martianixor: so with one run of firefox you've eliminated half the possibilities... then you eliminate half the remaining possibilities, and so on, until you have it down to just one add-on |
| 05:10.48 | martianixor | \amethyst: yeah the algorithms thanks again for explaining |
| 05:11.06 | martianixor | algorithm* |
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| 05:18.44 | khades | hey |
| 05:18.51 | khades | is there someone usin ysm? |
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| 05:19.04 | khades | and why i can't install mplayer on puse sid? |
| 05:19.10 | khades | *pure |
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| 05:19.54 | litwol|mac | hello |
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| 05:21.17 | litwol|mac | currently my sources list contain only the following: http://drupalbin.com/8377 |
| 05:21.37 | litwol|mac | i wonder what do i need to add to be able to access beta (or is the term experimental?) packageS? |
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| 05:23.32 | khades | i think that experimental is alpha |
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| 05:23.51 | litwol|mac | what is beta ? |
| 05:24.15 | litwol|mac | i remember i've seen multiple repositories (or version?) specified for each line |
| 05:24.22 | litwol|mac | but i dont remember specifics |
| 05:25.15 | litwol|mac | !sources.list |
| 05:25.15 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 05:29.15 | khades | sid is beta |
| 05:29.22 | khades | testing is final |
| 05:29.25 | khades | imho |
| 05:29.26 | litwol|mac | i added 'contrib non-free' after 'main' |
| 05:29.56 | litwol|mac | ran apt update /upgrade after |
| 05:30.00 | litwol|mac | nothing was updated |
| 05:30.01 | litwol|mac | :-\ |
| 05:30.10 | litwol|mac | oh well. still learning it |
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| 05:30.44 | WormFood | anyone have any idea why I'm not getting sound out of vmware? Sound works perfectly in Linux, and nothing is using my sound device, and when I start vmware, I can tell it is using my sound device |
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| 05:31.10 | squisher | litwol|mac, of course nothing will be updated - you just have access to more packages to install |
| 05:31.21 | stew | litwol|mac: upgrade upgrades software that is already installed. adding contrib and non-free makes different packages availalbe. not newer versions of packages in main. so its not suprising that nothing was upgraded |
| 05:31.42 | litwol|mac | i c thanks |
| 05:31.49 | squisher | finds stews explanation much nicer :) |
| 05:32.22 | litwol|mac | is going to try to install vim 7.2 from source since 'main contrib non-free' only upgrades to 7.1 |
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| 05:33.57 | squisher | litwol|mac, if packages.debian.org lists vim 7.2 in another release, you can try installing it from there |
| 05:34.07 | squisher | !tell litwol|mac about apt-pinning |
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| 05:34.13 | litwol|mac | checks |
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| 05:35.59 | litwol|mac | squisher: if i install software from source (vim 7.2), and then 7.2 becomes available as part of the stable release, will there be any kind of conflict? will i be able to upgrade my source install 7.2 to 7.2+ from apt when it becomes available? |
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| 05:36.40 | tuv | what is a good version-control tool for documents? a quick search suggests darcs or hg. any advice/recommendation/comments? |
| 05:37.27 | tuv | i like about hg its scalability. but darcs is said to be the easiest |
| 05:37.38 | squisher | litwol|mac, no there is no conflict if installed correctly, no, there is no easy way to upgrade from a source install to a deb. |
| 05:37.58 | squisher | litwol|mac, imho you should check if it's really worth the trouble to go from 7.1 to 7.2 :-) |
| 05:38.05 | litwol|mac | i see. in that case it sounds that i am recommended to continue to use deb unless i know wth i'm doing. |
| 05:38.11 | tuv | squisher, unless checkinstall was used with the source |
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| 05:38.15 | litwol|mac | i doubt it is :-D |
| 05:38.38 | squisher | tuv, that gives you easy uninstall, but i.e. no automatic upgrade afaik |
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| 05:39.18 | tuv | squisher, if the package names are the same and your checkinstall-created package has a compatible/upgradable version number, why not? |
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| 05:40.37 | Arrowmaster | vim 7.2 is in unstable, you could just install that package |
| 05:40.41 | squisher | tuv, hm, maybe you're right... I thought there was some reason why that's not recommended, but I can't think of it if there really was one :-) |
| 05:40.50 | litwol|mac | ah screw this. i dont want to chase unstable yet, too new to this to be able to recover from a possible !@#4up |
| 05:41.02 | squisher | litwol|mac, see what tuv said. Checkinstall can be used with any source install |
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| 05:41.22 | litwol|mac | i dont know what checkinstall is |
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| 05:41.40 | squisher | and google could tell you, if you wanted to know |
| 05:41.46 | litwol|mac | yep, on it |
| 05:42.05 | tuv | litwol|mac, install it. compile with 'make'. then instead of 'make install' you 'checkinstall' and you get a nice .deb package |
| 05:42.07 | Arrowmaster | set APT::Default-Release in /etc/apt/apt.conf to "stable" or "testing" and add sid to sources.list |
| 05:42.09 | jfshadow | Hello! I have a question about the Debian implementation of the Exim4 mail server. anybody got a sec? |
| 05:42.16 | litwol|mac | ooooo |
| 05:42.17 | litwol|mac | nice |
| 05:42.20 | Arrowmaster | thats how ive got my box running |
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| 05:42.48 | litwol|mac | so is there an alternative to screen ? |
| 05:43.35 | litwol|mac | after months of disconnecting VPN and numerous terminal windows logins onto the server to perform various simultanious tasks i've finally discovered screen |
| 05:43.35 | litwol|mac | :-d |
| 05:43.35 | tuv | litwol|mac, if the package is in unstable, you could try downloading the .deb off packages.debian.org and installing it manually with dpkg -i. if it complains just forget about it |
| 05:43.47 | litwol|mac | tuv: thanks |
| 05:43.57 | tuv | screen is a great find |
| 05:44.10 | Arrowmaster | too bad there isnt a screen for X |
| 05:44.13 | Arrowmaster | there isnt right? |
| 05:44.28 | tuv | any thoughts on darcs vs. hg or any other good lightweight vcs |
| 05:44.33 | squisher | Arrowmaster, non-free, but nx can be used for that |
| 05:44.40 | tuv | vnc |
| 05:44.41 | squisher | sort-of at least :-) |
| 05:44.56 | squisher | with nx you get decent speed though |
| 05:46.01 | tuv | tightvnc in debian is super easy to setup. install the package. start as many servers as you like from the shell. last time i tried, i couldn't setup nx. things could have changed though |
| 05:46.17 | litwol|mac | thinks vim should have similar tool to apt-get install for it's plugins |
| 05:46.22 | WormFood | anyone have any idea why I'm not getting sound out of vmware? Sound works perfectly in Linux, and nothing is using my sound device, and when I start vmware, I can tell it is using my sound device |
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| 05:47.15 | litwol|mac | paulell: hmm thats not what i was after |
| 05:47.32 | tuv | WormFood, watchout for flash plugin. close all your browsers to be sure. it may take over your sound via oss |
| 05:48.01 | WormFood | yes, I did close all browser |
| 05:48.15 | WormFood | I can tell nothing is using my sound under Linux when I start vmware |
| 05:48.39 | WormFood | also I have noscript installed, so flash isn't running on every god damn web page I open |
| 05:48.42 | tuv | sometimes they remain running, so i'd suggest double checking with ps ax | grep <browser-name> |
| 05:48.45 | WormFood | fuckin' HATES flash! |
| 05:49.05 | litwol|mac | pats WormFood on shoulder *there there* |
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| 05:49.08 | squisher | WormFood, lsof might help to check that there's really nothing on the sound devices |
| 05:49.10 | WormFood | tuv, I couldn't unload the sound module if it is being used |
| 05:49.27 | mib_6wy6nmkg | Is there a c++ compiler that doesn't rely on gcc? |
| 05:49.29 | WormFood | I simply unload the sound module, and reload it to be 100% sure nothing is using it |
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| 05:50.02 | WormFood | mib_6wy6nmkg, intel has one, forget the name, but it is commercial (I have it on my warez collection back home, but can't access it) |
| 05:50.09 | tuv | WormFood, is the sound device visible on the guest os? |
| 05:50.19 | WormFood | yes |
| 05:50.31 | WormFood | vmware and windows *cringe* sees the sound device |
| 05:50.37 | mib_6wy6nmkg | Oh. I think i've heard of it. it's called Intel Linux Compiler or something =/ |
| 05:51.06 | tuv | WormFood, try virtualbox ;) |
| 05:51.09 | WormFood | I'm drawing a blank on the name. I haven't seen reference to it in years |
| 05:51.11 | mib_6wy6nmkg | I almost tried it. It may have been too large to install, i don't remember. I'll try it again maybe |
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| 05:51.20 | WormFood | I want to say there are 2 commercial c compilers for Linux |
| 05:51.27 | ectospasm | WormFood: do you mean icc? |
| 05:51.34 | ectospasm | Intel Compiler Collection? |
| 05:51.38 | WormFood | YES!, thats it...ICC |
| 05:51.44 | mib_6wy6nmkg | For complicated reasons, I can't get gcc or glibc |
| 05:51.51 | nsadmin | WormFood: there could be many more too :) |
| 05:51.52 | WormFood | yeah, it was some gay name like that |
| 05:51.58 | ectospasm | It's supposed to work better at some narrow tasks than GCC |
| 05:52.09 | vruno | hi, where can i see the content of debian-500-i386-kde-CD-1.iso before downloading? |
| 05:52.22 | pobega | I thought it was better with threading or something? ICC, I mean |
| 05:52.30 | nsadmin | vithions of the emerald beyond and the pixies who blow pixie dust? |
| 05:52.52 | litwol|mac | question to terminal junkies: Do you guys use anything to source revision your config files ? |
| 05:52.53 | ectospasm | vruno: mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/iso /mnt/path |
| 05:53.08 | ectospasm | litwol|mac: I did when I was a sysadmin |
| 05:53.09 | WormFood | and then I think there was yet another C compiler too...IIRC supposedly good at math related things (maybe I'm thinking of the intel compiler) |
| 05:53.12 | ectospasm | RCS works great for that. |
| 05:53.16 | nsadmin | wait, before downloading? |
| 05:53.54 | WormFood | vruno, start to download the ISO, but stop it and then mount the partial image....if I remember correctly, all the directory info is at the start of the cd image |
| 05:54.06 | ectospasm | is there any way to get alsa to create /dev/dsp (a la OSS), so I can get mp3blaster working? |
| 05:54.10 | mib_6wy6nmkg | I tried a couple, but they relied on gcc even if they didn't say it |
| 05:54.18 | WormFood | of course, I could be wrong....but I expect the bulk of the directories to be at the start |
| 05:54.22 | mib_6wy6nmkg | I'll end up just getting a good distro |
| 05:54.38 | ectospasm | I know sound works, but mp3blaster is expecting /dev/dsp... |
| 05:55.01 | WormFood | isn't there a sound wrapper? |
| 05:55.06 | nsadmin | as you may know, /dev/dsp is oss |
| 05:55.11 | ectospasm | Or... can anyone help me find the device file where I can do "cat my.wav > /dev/<file>" |
| 05:55.11 | squisher | ectospasm, are you sure mp3blaster doesn't support alsa? |
| 05:55.23 | squisher | aplay :) |
| 05:55.33 | ectospasm | I tried setting it to alsa, and it doesn't even start. It gives an error. |
| 05:55.37 | WormFood | maybe I'm thinking of esddsp |
| 05:55.39 | ectospasm | I'll look again. |
| 05:55.39 | vruno | WormFood: i didn't know that. i'm gonna give it a try. thank you |
| 05:56.28 | WormFood | vruno, I'd suggest you try downloading maybe 4-5 meg...and if it is what you want, then "resume" that download (wget is good for that)....and if 4-5 meg is not enough, then "resume" it to 10 meg |
| 05:56.39 | WormFood | you should have a small investment in bandwidth to check it out |
| 05:57.01 | litwol|mac | i fail to find appropriate googling term to figure out how to auto-launch various programs when i login into my server, specifically i want to auto-launch screen as soon as i ssh into my box |
| 05:57.11 | nsadmin | I invest in bandwidth every month... |
| 05:57.13 | squisher | ectospasm, aplay lets you send a number of uncompressed sound formats to your alsa card |
| 05:57.37 | nsadmin | but it seems that I can't hold the value that the bandwidth represents after I use it... |
| 05:57.39 | ectospasm | squisher: I'm trying to play mp3... and I know sound works because I did just what you describe (-; |
| 05:58.37 | squisher | ectospasm, you asked for it :-) Anyway, you _can_ setup oss emulation with alsa as well, but usually I think it's better to get native alsa working |
| 05:58.38 | ectospasm | I tried installing alsa-oss, but it didn't create /dev/dsp |
| 05:58.57 | Arrowmaster | litwol|mac: ~/.profile |
| 05:59.05 | WormFood | did pulseaudio replace esd? I had never heard of that before just now when I apt-cache searched for esd |
| 05:59.06 | ectospasm | squisher: native alsa IS working... just not my console mp3 player of choice... |
| 05:59.23 | khades | i think flash i using alsa |
| 05:59.30 | litwol|mac | Arrowmaster: just a plain shell command (one per line ?) |
| 05:59.31 | ectospasm | Last time I really used mp3blaster was on Ubuntu, and that... just... worked... |
| 05:59.40 | squisher | ectospasm, http://mp3blaster.sourceforge.net/#faq ? |
| 05:59.41 | khades | also there is something line libflash-support |
| 05:59.46 | WormFood | did you know, that you can "cat /dev/sndstat" and get info about your sound device? |
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| 06:00.09 | martianixor | Arrowmaster: is that what you use to configure what happens when you ssh to your machine? |
| 06:00.12 | ectospasm | hmmmm |
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| 06:00.33 | nsadmin | you can also look in /proc/asound/ for files that tell you about the devices alsa is currently supporting |
| 06:00.42 | Arrowmaster | martianixor: no its run whenever a login shell is created, local or via ssh |
| 06:00.50 | nsadmin | for example, /proc/asound/cards |
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| 06:01.37 | Arrowmaster | litwol|mac: i doubt good things will happen if you dont start screen in the background |
| 06:01.55 | litwol|mac | Arrowmaster: sorry, i don't understand. |
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| 06:02.45 | Arrowmaster | if you make it go directly into screen i doubt the rest of the login scripts will be run |
| 06:02.50 | Gruelius | Hi all, how do i check the status of my sata harddisks and how do i stop them from sleeping |
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| 06:03.06 | nsadmin | take away their pillow? |
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| 06:03.29 | squisher | Arrowmaster, litwol|mac one could run screen at the end of .profile though, I think that wouldn't cause any hick-ups |
| 06:03.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah i was just thinking that the very end of .profile would be the only safe spot |
| 06:04.22 | litwol|mac | sounds like there's no official after-login actions ? |
| 06:04.34 | Arrowmaster | it depends on your shell |
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| 06:04.39 | mib_6wy6nmkg | thanks for the help, guys. later. |
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| 06:04.47 | sylecn | Hi, I find stardict process is not closed even after quit. (ctrl-q) Can someone confirm this on your pc? |
| 06:04.58 | litwol|mac | Arrowmaster: i use bash if that helps |
| 06:05.02 | ectospasm | hmmmm... I think I need to send audio data to /dev/snd/pcmC?D?p files, but they all say bad file descriptor when I cat a wav file to them... |
| 06:05.49 | sylecn | I'm using the latest stable, stardict version is 3.0.1-4 |
| 06:06.05 | nsadmin | Gruelius: not sure; but if you're exploring that, the first thing to do is find out why it's sleeping (that is, by what mechanism in the drive, and is something other than the drive involved, and how does that work) |
| 06:06.18 | Arrowmaster | litwol|mac: even then it depends, you should have a ~/.profile by default on debian that will run ~/.bashrc if it exists, but bash only runs ~/.profile if ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bash_login dont exist, otherwise it runs one of those |
| 06:06.32 | asdfqwer | is it possible to install windows on a pre-existing linux raid array? |
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| 06:06.58 | Arrowmaster | asdfqwer: linux softraid? |
| 06:07.09 | asdfqwer | ya, unforunately... |
| 06:07.10 | nsadmin | if there are drivers that are usable by windows that know how to talk to the array |
| 06:07.27 | asdfqwer | wouldn't my array need linux though? |
| 06:07.28 | Arrowmaster | i dont think windows can read linux softraids |
| 06:07.40 | asdfqwer | or at least an active kernel |
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| 06:08.14 | nsadmin | well, like I say, you'd need a driver that understands the array |
| 06:08.16 | litwol|mac | Arrowmaster: i have .bash_profile |
| 06:08.21 | asdfqwer | see here's the thing, my motherboard has drivers for both linux and windows |
| 06:08.23 | asdfqwer | for raid |
| 06:08.41 | Arrowmaster | asdfqwer: those would be fakeraid drivers probably |
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| 06:08.43 | asdfqwer | but i've never implemented it for linux |
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| 06:09.06 | Maahes | if I delete /var/lib/dpkg/available, will dpkg (or apt, or whatever) regen it? |
| 06:09.19 | nsadmin | the linux array may or may not be compatible (err, look like) the windows incarnation of the array |
| 06:09.58 | asdfqwer | nsadmin, ya thats why i think asus made softraid for both linux and windows |
| 06:10.13 | pobega | Any have any clue how to get Empathy to work with AIM/MSN? It apparently does, but the option doesn't seem to be available for some reason. |
| 06:10.27 | asdfqwer | i'm suprised this problem hasn't been solved |
| 06:10.28 | nsadmin | Maahes: if you're going to play those kinds of games with your packaging system, you should back up any files you play with |
| 06:10.46 | asdfqwer | pobega, sudo aptitude install pidgin |
| 06:11.04 | Arrowmaster | asdfqwer: it is possible to run both linux and windows from a fakeraid |
| 06:11.06 | Maahes | nsadmin, its already corrupt, I had a kernel turn into complete garbage on me, and I have strange shit outputted onto several of my log files and evidently that file as well |
| 06:11.06 | nsadmin | asdfqwer: hmm, so you're using softraid under what os right now? |
| 06:11.11 | pobega | asdfqwer: that isn't an answer, thanks |
| 06:11.22 | asdfqwer | windows, from a seperate hd |
| 06:11.39 | pobega | Does anyone have any USEFUL information for getting Empathy working in Debian? |
| 06:11.44 | asdfqwer | so i just boot to windows w/ bios prompt |
| 06:12.04 | nsadmin | pobega: empathy comes as source? |
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| 06:12.45 | pobega | nsadmin: from the Debian archives, not source. Unless you mean something else by that. |
| 06:13.02 | asdfqwer | so, grub boots to 250, 74 is for windows, then 2 320s using softraid |
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| 06:13.07 | Arrowmaster | asdfqwer: oh so you are already using fakeraid? it should be possible to install debian onto it i just dont know what the steps to take during install would be |
| 06:13.22 | nsadmin | well ok, so you're saying you couldn't build it because source is not available? |
| 06:13.23 | asdfqwer | Arrowmaster, well i already am using softraid |
| 06:13.51 | pobega | nsadmin: Why should I build it as source? |
| 06:13.54 | asdfqwer | but i'm running out of space, and my two 320s are in current use |
| 06:14.04 | asdfqwer | running out of space on my windows hd |
| 06:14.33 | asdfqwer | otherwise, i'll have to destroy my array and backup windows, and restore on a new hd |
| 06:15.10 | asdfqwer | is there such a thing as a universal raid controller? |
| 06:15.19 | asdfqwer | sorta like something to boot to before the os |
| 06:15.41 | stew | asdfqwer: any hardware raid controller would boot before the os |
| 06:16.05 | nsadmin | pobega: because assuming any existing source for empathy is set up to build under linux and does so without errors, once you do so, you would have a copy of empathy that is linked against your existing libs |
| 06:16.15 | asdfqwer | stew, i see, so unless i'm willing to learn machine and assembly |
| 06:16.36 | asdfqwer | i'll have my universal raid controller |
| 06:16.45 | stew | what? |
| 06:16.50 | asdfqwer | is there no soft raid that supports window + linux? |
| 06:17.04 | Arrowmaster | theres 3 kinda raids, softraids that are fully dependent on the OS, hardware raids which just require a driver for the OS to understand it (most hardware is different enough that they all need their own drivers), and fakeraid which is just a hardware raid without the hardware (it uses drivers to steal cpu cycles) |
| 06:17.17 | stew | asdfqwer: have a look at the dmraid package |
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| 06:18.31 | varney | hi, i'm looking if there is a way to prepare a bootable usb which i can use to copy on debian lenny cd1.iso and then install to my HD from it. - any ideas? |
| 06:18.49 | asdfqwer | stew, i'll have to test this in a vm; do you use this? |
| 06:19.01 | stew | asdfqwer: no, i don't |
| 06:19.25 | stew | asdfqwer: i don't use windows, so I have no need. |
| 06:19.28 | asdfqwer | to bad i can't virtualize my hardware |
| 06:19.29 | varney | i have tried various methods on the net for windows preparation of the bootable usb (winimage, dd) but neither actually makes the usb 'bootable' |
| 06:19.48 | nsadmin | to bad... |
| 06:19.50 | varney | i really don't see why i should have to be burning annoying cds at this stage |
| 06:19.52 | nsadmin | or not to bad... |
| 06:19.55 | pobega | nsadmin: or I could just install telepathy-haze and telepathy-butterfly. Thanks for trying, but your advice made no sense and had nothing to do with what I was asking. But the effort is appreciated. |
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| 06:20.15 | asdfqwer | stew, i know, but i just can't by in life w/o some sort of direct3d support ;) |
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| 06:20.41 | pl4yer0ne | there is some program that helps create bootable usb sticks |
| 06:21.02 | varney | pl4yer0ne: you mean Flashboot? |
| 06:21.14 | pl4yer0ne | nah it does all sorts of different distros |
| 06:21.21 | varney | with that, it can't see the iso on my usb anyway |
| 06:21.23 | varney | i c |
| 06:21.50 | pl4yer0ne | unetbootin |
| 06:21.52 | pl4yer0ne | thats it |
| 06:21.53 | nsadmin | pobega: there are a coupla things at play here... one is, that you could/should come up with a list of possible packages that fulfill what empathy does... second, so far there's not much information on the table for me or anyone to go on |
| 06:21.54 | varney | even if i could boot into unix somehow from the usb, then install from the iso placed on my hd somewhere or partition |
| 06:22.23 | pl4yer0ne | unetbootin works from linux/windows/whatever |
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| 06:22.42 | pobega | nsadmin: right, but Google comes up wit no hits and information is limited so I was hoping someone here has used Empathy before. I'm trying to switch away from using Pidgin. |
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| 06:23.33 | pl4yer0ne | varney, |
| 06:23.36 | pl4yer0ne | http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:23.41 | varney | pl4yer0ne: OMG it actually looks like there is a light at the end of the cd-filled tunnel lmao |
| 06:24.00 | nsadmin | pobega for example... for all I know, empathy is proprietary, closed source and doesn't run on linux, bsd, macos or any other unixalike |
| 06:24.32 | nsadmin | pobega: so you're saying you don't have much info on it either? ok, how do you know it's something you want? |
| 06:24.34 | pl4yer0ne | nsadmin, isnt empathy the "new" pidgin coming soon to a gnome near you? |
| 06:24.52 | nsadmin | oh, didn't know that... |
| 06:25.08 | varney | thanks so much pl4yer0ne, i hope this bloody well works :P |
| 06:25.16 | pl4yer0ne | no worries dude |
| 06:25.16 | nsadmin | if that's the case then (1) it should be open-source and (2) maybe someone's packaged it |
| 06:25.19 | pl4yer0ne | http://live.gnome.org/Empathy |
| 06:25.52 | pl4yer0ne | bloody hell what do you lot do when im not around? |
| 06:26.07 | pobega | nsadmin: uh, if Empathy is non-free why is it in GNOME/main? and why are you arguing about things that are completely off topic, I want to try it out because I want to see if it's better than Pidgin. It has integrated A/V support, whch is a plus to Pidgin. And Pidgin is pretty bloated, so perhaps this project will be better (firefox vs epiphany, for example) |
| 06:26.21 | nsadmin | pl4yer0ne: talk about you! |
| 06:26.31 | pl4yer0ne | haha nice |
| 06:26.46 | nsadmin | you -sooo- walked into that one :) |
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| 06:28.12 | nsadmin | pobega: so then the answer to your earlier question ("why should I build it") is you should build it if it's not packaged |
| 06:28.33 | pobega | nsadmin: ...but it is packaged. I really have no clue what you are talking about. |
| 06:28.35 | pl4yer0ne | it is packaged |
| 06:28.53 | pl4yer0ne | i have empathy in testing |
| 06:28.56 | nsadmin | judd, versions empathy |
| 06:28.57 | judd | nsadmin: empathy -- lenny: 0.23.3-3 squeeze: 0.23.3-3 sid: 2.25.92-1 |
| 06:29.12 | varney | pl4yer0ne: is this unetboot tool for installing linux to my hd? i don't want it to just install linux onto my usb to run it from there, i want to actually install linux to my hd from usb (so i don't have to burn a cd)? |
| 06:29.17 | nsadmin | pobega: ahh, so it is... what dist do you run? |
| 06:29.24 | varney | i just got a sinking feeling : |
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| 06:29.41 | pobega | nsadmin: Debian Squeeze |
| 06:29.43 | pl4yer0ne | varney, then install a netboot image or one of the installers |
| 06:30.04 | varney | pl4yer0ne: i already did, my usb won't boot |
| 06:30.12 | varney | it just says 'boot error' |
| 06:30.14 | nsadmin | pobega: and as you can see it's available... so what happens when you tried to install it? |
| 06:30.23 | Arrowmaster | varney: how old is the motherboard? |
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| 06:30.33 | pl4yer0ne | yeah could be bios varney |
| 06:30.39 | pobega | nsadmin: the telepathy packages that bind with libpurple weren't installed by default. |
| 06:30.48 | varney | and if i use winimge, it just bypasses it after complaining on writing the image that the boot.img 'is unsupported' for the destination usb drive |
| 06:31.00 | varney | Arrowmaster: i only bought it about 2 yrs aho |
| 06:31.12 | Arrowmaster | and are you selecting a 'usb-hdd' option in the bios for load order or another 'usb-*' option? |
| 06:31.18 | varney | it's an AMD Athlon x64 with nvidia motherboard |
| 06:31.50 | nsadmin | pobega: are the telepathy packages required for empathy to run? |
| 06:31.50 | pobega | To use AIM I'd need libpurple, but for MSN/XMPP Empathy uses a separate library, which seems to have more features. |
| 06:31.50 | pl4yer0ne | varney, its not a U3 disk is it? with all the special run on insert stuff? |
| 06:31.50 | pobega | nsadmin: it comes with the XMPP lib, but not the MSN/purple one |
| 06:31.50 | varney | Arrowmaster: i'm able to press f12 to boot from usb |
| 06:31.50 | varney | it's a dell pc btw |
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| 06:31.51 | varney | omg, yes, it is a u3 |
| 06:31.55 | Arrowmaster | u3 sucks |
| 06:32.02 | pl4yer0ne | theres your problem |
| 06:32.02 | varney | but i've booted dos from it fine, even installed windows from it |
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| 06:32.20 | pobega | Yeah, U3 bothers me constantly. |
| 06:32.24 | nsadmin | hmm... so the package installs, and it doesn't run? |
| 06:32.30 | pl4yer0ne | u3 has a read only bit at the front that contains the u3 stuff, you cant write to that bit and hence you cant write to the MBR |
| 06:32.35 | varney | any recommendations on a drive that would actually work? |
| 06:32.36 | pobega | nsadmin: it runs fine, but only with support for XMPP |
| 06:32.47 | varney | pl4yer0ne: but it has 2 partitions |
| 06:32.52 | pl4yer0ne | yeah |
| 06:32.54 | Arrowmaster | i still cant figure out why my 16gb u3 (after i removed the u3 crap but the uninstaller did error) wont work on my schools vista desktops |
| 06:32.58 | varney | one is a 'cd' partition, the other a flash |
| 06:33.06 | pl4yer0ne | doesnt matter because you cant write the boot code |
| 06:33.15 | pl4yer0ne | yeah the cd partition is the RO one |
| 06:33.18 | varney | are u saying the main 900MB partition has the read-only part on it? |
| 06:33.23 | varney | oh |
| 06:33.45 | varney | but i'm installing on the main 900MB partition, not the cd-one |
| 06:33.51 | nsadmin | ok, so really the issue is not any failure to install empathy, nor failure to run... but support for something specific |
| 06:34.05 | Arrowmaster | if you havent already find the u3 uninstaller for that drive |
| 06:34.06 | pobega | nsadmin: yes, and that's what I asked. "How do I add AIM/MSN support to Empathy" |
| 06:34.10 | pl4yer0ne | I use a couple of corsair usb keys but i also use a 512MB ghetto stick i got free with a beer. |
| 06:34.18 | pl4yer0ne | so they dont ahve to be fancy just not u3 |
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| 06:34.41 | Arrowmaster | can you even find non u3 drives now? |
| 06:34.43 | pl4yer0ne | Arrowmaster, you can uninstall u3? I thought they were hard coded? |
| 06:34.55 | pl4yer0ne | yeah for sure u3 isnt that common |
| 06:35.05 | pl4yer0ne | because its sh..... |
| 06:35.17 | varney | Arrowmaster: i don't even use the u3 features on it, i have completely formatted the main partition on it (the 'hdd') |
| 06:35.32 | varney | and i leave the iso to itself (other partition on the flash also) |
| 06:35.47 | varney | so it boots DOS but not linux, GREAT |
| 06:35.55 | Arrowmaster | pl4yer0ne: no sandisk has an uninstaller on their newer ones and a download from their site, ive also used a download from bestbuy for the bestbuy geeksquad drives |
| 06:36.00 | varney | winblows strikes again (or should i say DELL) |
| 06:36.05 | varney | i smell a dell |
| 06:36.05 | nsadmin | the thing is... msn certainly, and aim may be proprietary protocols that they change on purpose to prevent or at least temporarily foil attempts to connect using linux or other open oses |
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| 06:36.21 | pl4yer0ne | ah cool i didnt know any of them could be un-u3ed |
| 06:36.43 | Arrowmaster | you have to get an uninstaller from the drive manufacturer |
| 06:36.51 | pobega | nsadmin: I can't tell all my friends to just not use what they are used to. |
| 06:36.53 | pl4yer0ne | varney, check dells site they may have an undoer for the u3 |
| 06:37.06 | Arrowmaster | but i think my 16gb sandisk is fucked from when the u3 uninstaller errored at the end |
| 06:37.17 | varney | what will the 'undoer' do? what is stopping it from booting linux, but not dos? |
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| 06:37.46 | Arrowmaster | linux and dos boot in very different ways |
| 06:37.57 | WormFood | no they don't |
| 06:38.07 | pl4yer0ne | varney, basically the very first bit of the drive needs to be written to to enable you to boot whatever you want. that part at the moment is a read only cd-like partition. |
| 06:38.10 | varney | ambiguities galore strike again |
| 06:38.16 | nsadmin | pobega: it's possible jabber has a gateway to both of those services |
| 06:38.33 | pobega | nsadmin: Jabber gateways are constantly down and annoying, I've given up on those long ago. |
| 06:38.38 | WormFood | after dos and linux boot, the initialize in very different ways...but the process of loading into memory (the boot process) is the same |
| 06:38.42 | Arrowmaster | you just have to stick some files on it to make it dos bootable |
| 06:39.16 | Arrowmaster | WormFood: talking about booting from media, not the actual boot process |
| 06:39.16 | WormFood | Arrowmaster, go back and look at the details of the bootstrap process |
| 06:39.28 | WormFood | still the same process |
| 06:39.31 | varney | Arrowmaster: i had to use the "HP DriveKey USB Disk Storage Format Tool" |
| 06:39.42 | varney | and then copy some files to it |
| 06:39.47 | varney | then it boots dos ok |
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| 06:39.55 | WormFood | after the kernel is loaded, they take very different approaches, but at that point they are already booted |
| 06:40.01 | varney | but getting linux to boot seems impossible |
| 06:40.20 | WormFood | making linux bootable is different from making dos bootable |
| 06:40.33 | varney | we'll see what this unetbootin proggy does ;) |
| 06:40.33 | Arrowmaster | which is exactly what i just said that you shot down |
| 06:40.44 | varney | lolz |
| 06:40.45 | WormFood | just treat your usb like a hard drive, and the normal boot setup procedures work the same |
| 06:41.01 | pl4yer0ne | WormFood, except its a U3 device |
| 06:41.06 | WormFood | how you make them bootable is different, of course, but the BOOT PROCESS is the same |
| 06:41.08 | varney | now that's just hypocrytical |
| 06:41.08 | pl4yer0ne | so all bets are off |
| 06:41.26 | Arrowmaster | youll deffently have to get the u3 stuff off of it |
| 06:41.33 | WormFood | U3 has nothing to do with it |
| 06:41.37 | varney | Arrowmaster: hmm, sounds like it |
| 06:41.48 | WormFood | U3 just makes your usb drive report itself as a cdrom |
| 06:41.52 | varney | WormFood: then why won't it boot? |
| 06:42.00 | WormFood | and if I remember correctly, you want to remove U3 |
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| 06:42.06 | pl4yer0ne | yeah a read only cd rom partition and a read write normal partition |
| 06:42.14 | WormFood | I have a U3 usb drive, and it boots ok....but I also removed that U3 shit |
| 06:42.16 | varney | WormFood: i only get 'usb device' in the boot choices menu when i hit f12 |
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| 06:42.42 | varney | i don't get 'usb-cd-rom' (although i did at one stage, i don't know why i don't see it anymore) |
| 06:42.46 | Arrowmaster | WormFood: did you get it working before removing the u3 stuff |
| 06:42.56 | varney | maybe it IS there, i just dont take notice of it |
| 06:43.32 | varney | but there's definitely a 'choice' of choosing the main partition and not the cd-rom partition |
| 06:43.39 | WormFood | I didn't try, I just got so pissed with that U3 shit, I just removed it right away |
| 06:43.41 | pl4yer0ne | varney, does the usb device have a name or anything? like a blah blah 2GB super awesome? |
| 06:43.42 | varney | but as you say, it has to be the START of the drive to boot |
| 06:44.12 | varney | it's a 1GB DiskGo U3 Portable USB Drive |
| 06:44.38 | nsadmin | pobega I don't think there is an official supported way to add that support... and again, the reason is that since msn (at minimum, possibly aim too) change their protocol periodically to prevent any client but their own connecting, it doesn't make sense to package that and (say) put it on a cd |
| 06:44.49 | varney | and it's more super-annoying than awesome |
| 06:45.23 | varney | thank god i don't use autorun in windows or that u3 installer would keep formatting it on every insert |
| 06:45.51 | pobega | nsadmin: I seriously have no clue what you are talking about anymore. I was only interested in asking if anyone knew what package I was missing, not what idealogies stand behind instant messenging. Sorry if I am coming across as rude, but I am just not in the mood for a conversation like this now. |
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| 06:46.38 | nsadmin | pobega: I'm trying to say it probably is not packaged. so you didn't get that? |
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| 06:46.57 | pobega | nsadmin: it is packaged |
| 06:47.12 | nsadmin | then you should know its name |
| 06:47.27 | pobega | nsadmin: I figured it out eventually. Jeez, are you just ignoring my responses? |
| 06:47.37 | pobega | I figured out the packages, isntalled them, and it's (mostly) working |
| 06:47.54 | nsadmin | what's still not working? |
| 06:47.59 | nsadmin | and what are the packages? |
| 06:48.09 | pobega | Some Glade error. AIM refuses to allow me to enter a screen name. |
| 06:48.18 | varney | ok, men, i downloaded the u3uninstall.exe from the U3 site so that'll be my next move if this unetbootin thing doesn't work ;) |
| 06:48.22 | varney | thanks to all |
| 06:48.36 | nsadmin | glade?? that sounds like a 3d graphics driver... |
| 06:48.44 | WormFood | varney, what thank god? what did your god have to do with U3? |
| 06:49.02 | varney | he told me to turn off autorun :P |
| 06:49.09 | pobega | nsadmin: nah, it's uhh |
| 06:49.36 | nsadmin | so perhaps aim changed their protocol? |
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| 06:49.38 | pobega | nsadmin: ** (empathy:977): WARNING **: Glade is missing widget 'entry_screenname'. |
| 06:49.54 | pobega | No, it just seemed like there was some mistranslation somewhere along the way. |
| 06:50.30 | nsadmin | ok, what about msn? |
| 06:51.10 | pobega | nsadmin: working fine, like I said |
| 06:52.51 | nsadmin | so msn has stopped changing their protocol to prevent unknown client connections? they were doing that some years back; I lost track/interest in them at that time, so I don't actually know whether they still do it |
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| 06:53.38 | WormFood | I have no problems with pidgin, other than the frequently high crash rate...connect to msn with no problems (even tho the protocol is shit) |
| 06:53.46 | WormFood | why don't you guys compile pidgin from source? |
| 06:53.47 | pobega | I think the last time it happened was a year or so ago. |
| 06:53.53 | pobega | Also, Pidgin is pretty bad nowadays. |
| 06:54.01 | WormFood | msn changed shit not too long ago |
| 06:54.10 | pobega | The support is fine, but boy, the program itself became like Firefox not too long ago. |
| 06:54.12 | pobega | Bloated and crash happy |
| 06:54.16 | pl4yer0ne | how much time do you spend using chat programs that it even matters? |
| 06:54.39 | pobega | pl4yer0ne: I constantly have them running in the background, and I get IMs fairly often. |
| 06:54.48 | WormFood | if you only use IM for 10 minutes a day, and the fuckin' shit won't work, or crashes in the middle of a conversation, it is not good |
| 06:54.57 | WormFood | me too pobega |
| 06:55.05 | pl4yer0ne | yeah same but its not like i need super awesome features to write one line and hit enter |
| 06:55.11 | pl4yer0ne | thats just me though. |
| 06:55.22 | WormFood | true, but I want it to work |
| 06:55.22 | pobega | No, but I'm on an EeePC and the bloat is extra annoying. |
| 06:55.35 | pobega | Plus webcam support would be nice, since my mom wants to see my face while I'm away at college |
| 06:55.40 | WormFood | and there are some nice features on pidgin, that I don't get with the official client (which I can't use anyways) |
| 06:55.43 | pobega | And Ekiga is so laggy |
| 06:55.44 | pl4yer0ne | yeah fair enough not working/crashing is not good |
| 06:56.22 | pl4yer0ne | yeah i like pidgin, sits quietly in the corner until i get a message, the guifications let me know |
| 06:56.37 | pl4yer0ne | thats as useful as it needs to be |
| 06:56.37 | WormFood | I like the psychic mode |
| 06:56.55 | pobega | I never bothered using the psychic mode, actually. |
| 06:56.56 | pl4yer0ne | whats that? |
| 06:57.00 | WormFood | I LOVE it when someone that is invisible starts typing to me, and I say "hi" before they can hit enter |
| 06:57.23 | WormFood | psychic mode opens the window as soon as the other person starts typing |
| 06:57.46 | WormFood | and the ability to see when people delete me off their msn buddy list is great |
| 06:59.01 | WormFood | I wished I could do that with yahoo |
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| 07:01.47 | nsadmin | how would I go about listing nearby APs? |
| 07:02.15 | martianixor | nsadmin: iwlist as far as I remember |
| 07:02.29 | pobega | nsadmin: iwlist <interface> scan |
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| 07:02.55 | pl4yer0ne | airodump <dev> |
| 07:02.57 | pl4yer0ne | =) |
| 07:03.06 | martianixor | pl4yer0ne: wish I could do that ... |
| 07:03.24 | pobega | I've had so many problems with that stuff -- always puts down my interface for normal connections and requires a reboot for me. |
| 07:03.32 | pobega | Though I haven't tried it with my new EeePC ralink card yet.. |
| 07:03.38 | enouf | judd versions airsnort-ng |
| 07:03.38 | judd | enouf: airsnort-ng -- |
| 07:03.38 | martianixor | pl4yer0ne: uptill now I've used wireless for only a couple of times, no laptop |
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| 07:03.56 | Maahes | is it possible to regenerate /var/lib/aptitude/pgkstates ? |
| 07:03.58 | nsadmin | it worked :) |
| 07:03.59 | pl4yer0ne | ahh, laptops = win |
| 07:04.05 | Maahes | Because that file is also corrupt |
| 07:04.06 | nsadmin | cost me 20 bux :) |
| 07:04.21 | enouf | aircrack-ng airport-utils airstrike airstrike-common |
| 07:04.25 | Maahes | my /var/lib/dpkg/status is not corrupt however |
| 07:04.41 | pl4yer0ne | nice work nsadmin |
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| 07:05.23 | martianixor | I'm trying to get a laptop especially to play with wireless + the air-series |
| 07:05.47 | pobega | dont get an intel wifi card then |
| 07:05.50 | pl4yer0ne | try backtrack 4 beta when you get one |
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| 07:06.00 | LoveGuru | enouf: this apps work? |
| 07:06.13 | pl4yer0ne | anyway ladies im off home woohoooo |
| 07:06.14 | enouf | dunno |
| 07:06.21 | martianixor | pl4yer0ne: Oh mY !! beta 4 is out ! |
| 07:06.23 | martianixor | :-( |
| 07:06.25 | pobega | LoveGuru: it's in the repos because it doesn't work ;D |
| 07:06.27 | nsadmin | what's the best pci wireless card I could get that would let me do an AP in linux? |
| 07:06.30 | LoveGuru | enouf: i don't think so :/ thats why make suare :/ |
| 07:06.44 | pl4yer0ne | martianixor, yeah dude and now its based on debian =D |
| 07:06.46 | LoveGuru | pobega: never tried it.. so i really dont know |
| 07:06.47 | martianixor | pobega: thanks for the hint :-) |
| 07:07.12 | pl4yer0ne | evening all |
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| 07:07.19 | LoveGuru | pobega: you are right.. the apps is in repo.. might be it working but isn't easy to crack anything.. now a days |
| 07:07.22 | LoveGuru | :\ |
| 07:07.29 | pobega | LoveGuru: I was kidding, but it works for some people |
| 07:07.43 | pobega | though I think it's very reliant on your wireless card supporting packet injection, which a _lot_ don't |
| 07:08.32 | LoveGuru | pobega: but the thing is now a days new router got good enough security.. |
| 07:08.32 | pobega | There was a list of wireless cards and their support for things like that on aircrack's website at one point, if I remember correctly. |
| 07:08.50 | pobega | Packet injection can get WEP keys and nowadays WPA1 keys |
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| 07:09.32 | LoveGuru | pobega: well never tried anything like that. :) so no information about anything like that |
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| 07:11.20 | martianixor | that's amazing news about backtrack !! |
| 07:11.40 | nsadmin | is anything like that really ever anything like that? |
| 07:12.04 | martianixor | exciting would be more descriptive |
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| 07:13.18 | mischief6 | how can i set the default audio device system-wide? |
| 07:13.26 | streuner_ | judd, versions pidgin |
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| 07:24.07 | pobega | Is there any way to tell Cron I want to run something once a day, regardless of what time of the day it is? (without specifying a time) |
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| 07:31.34 | doleyb | pobega, ls /etc/cron.daily |
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| 07:32.13 | pobega | doleyb: I forgot about that directory for some reason. Thanks. |
| 07:32.17 | enouf | pobega: seems like you might be considering niceness |
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| 07:32.48 | pobega | enouf: niceness? Like, nicing a command? |
| 07:32.49 | enouf | default daily crons run from there - you haven't noticed yet? :-P |
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| 07:32.53 | enouf | pobega: yes |
| 07:33.14 | Deepa^bum | Give it a high nice value |
| 07:33.14 | pobega | Well, it's just that I was trying to build a daemon in Python for a friend, but until then I'm having him run my program in cron.daily |
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| 07:33.59 | enouf | pobega: to me; your requirements sounded like "must run once and only once within any given 24hr period ... no matter varying times of day .. however .,," |
| 07:34.28 | pobega | enouf: basically, yeah. just decrements a database once per day. What would that have to do with niceness though? |
| 07:34.29 | Deepa^bum | rand(0,24) |
| 07:34.45 | pobega | From what I thought niceness was just priority |
| 07:34.53 | enouf | pobega: i was presuming you wanted it to run when system was idle only |
| 07:34.59 | Deepa^bum | pobega: give it a nice value so that it doesn't disrupt anything else and run it at a set time? |
| 07:35.30 | pobega | enouf: Deepa^bum: cron.daily seems like a better idea for this situation, but thanks |
| 07:35.42 | enouf | pobega: because you mentioned "(without specifying a time)" |
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| 07:41.46 | Deepa^bum | pobega: why not make it into a daemon :-)? |
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| 07:42.35 | varney | so i'm using unetbootin to make a usb-installer for debian. it boots up ok, but during the install it's trying to detect the cd-rom drive? any ideas why, or how i can tell it that all the files it needs are on the usb itself? |
| 07:42.56 | pobega | Deepa^bum: I'm trying to, but he needs the program now :] and I'm on break from school so I am not doing much programming |
| 07:43.25 | Deepa^bum | pobega: run it in the background with output put to /dev/null. he'll never notice the difference! :) |
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| 07:43.56 | enouf | varney: see what 'mount' outputs; maybe cd /target |
| 07:43.56 | pobega | Deepa^bum: yeah, but constantly looping is a bad way to waste CPU cycles :] and sleep(300) is kinda cheap. |
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| 07:44.11 | jaggz | running openoffice and/or secondlife broke my x windows fonts.. some fonts suddenly become garbled until a refresh.. it's very strange |
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| 07:44.27 | varney | enouf: well i'm running on windows now u see, so i can't check that instantly |
| 07:44.54 | varney | but in any case how would i 'tell' or configure the boot to know where the install source is? |
| 07:45.13 | varney | it seems to boot up a ram disk with syslinux, so it can't see 'outside' this onto the usb stick |
| 07:45.17 | enouf | varney: it was just a guess - i know not anything about unetbootin |
| 07:45.28 | varney | figures :P |
| 07:45.40 | varney | thanks for the effort, i will try it anyway ;) |
| 07:45.57 | varney | anyone with other ideas |
| 07:45.57 | varney | ? |
| 07:46.08 | enouf | varney: have you tried /msg dpkg usb install ? |
| 07:46.47 | enouf | ramdisk with syslinux or memlinux? |
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| 07:47.52 | enouf | i don't even know what 'unetbootin' is - i know of {c}debootstrap |
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| 07:48.46 | varney | enouf: i've tried winimage/dd on windows to prepare the usb disk but it never boots. unetbootin actually made my debian install cd-1 bootable from usb, but during the install it tried to detect cd-rom. why? |
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| 07:48.55 | varney | unetbootin.sf.net |
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| 07:49.07 | enouf | dunno man |
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| 07:49.32 | varney | dammit there has to be a way instead of resorting to bloody cd burning! |
| 07:49.45 | enouf | varney: tried SBM? |
| 07:49.46 | Deepa^bum | netboot :-)? |
| 07:49.54 | enouf | !sbm |
| 07:49.54 | dpkg | somebody said sbm was Smart Boot Manager, or docs on the Debian CD: /install/README.sbm. Uses a floppy to boot from CD if your computer can't. |
| 07:49.57 | varney | i've got this close, so it's gotta work somehow |
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| 07:50.12 | enouf | i boot my p150 that way |
| 07:50.31 | badserii | Hi! I have a script, that was using the ps command , and was running from 10 to 10 minutes. Now I found that I have over 200 processes named ps, and that the ps command doesn't work anymore - it hangs. The kill -9 doesn't work either. What can I do? |
| 07:50.37 | Deepa^bum | I don't think booting is the problem, I think the problem is what happens after boot and during install |
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| 07:50.46 | varney | i don't have a floppy drive, but i do have a usb and cdrom drive. but i want to do the usb method, i waste a fortune on buying cd after cd |
| 07:51.08 | enouf | you'll get it, you just need to learn more about all the specifics varney, i just don't know how to help offhand |
| 07:51.18 | varney | Deepa^bum: correct, the installation boots up ok, but during it, 'Detect and mount install cd' fails |
| 07:51.42 | enouf | you have the Debian ISO on the USB stick? |
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| 07:51.45 | Llama | Hello. |
| 07:51.46 | Deepa^bum | Doesn't that have to do with the installer? |
| 07:51.48 | jelly-home | varney: have you read the release notes? |
| 07:51.51 | enouf | loop mount the sucker |
| 07:52.03 | Llama | How can I install into system two syslog daemons? |
| 07:52.05 | Deepa^bum | Good idea, go for enouf's idea |
| 07:52.08 | doleyb | badserii does it help to killall -9 ps ? |
| 07:52.16 | Llama | Both ot them are discribed as: |
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| 07:52.17 | Llama | Conflicts: linux-kernel-log-daemon, system-log-daemon |
| 07:52.18 | Llama | Provides: linux-kernel-log-daemon, system-log-daemon |
| 07:52.19 | mischief6 | anyone know how can i set the default audio device system-wide? |
| 07:52.28 | khaije1 | whats the name of the lightweight opengl based media browser/player? |
| 07:52.31 | cahoot | try asoundconf |
| 07:52.32 | Deepa^bum | Llama: why do you need two? |
| 07:52.42 | enouf | mischief6: which DE? |
| 07:52.43 | Deepa^bum | khaije1: mplayer? |
| 07:52.43 | cahoot | try asoundconf mischief6 |
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| 07:52.46 | khaije1 | it has a 3d circular menu, anyone remember the name? |
| 07:53.12 | mischief6 | enouf, lxde, but i think asoundconf might work, thanks cahoot |
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| 07:53.13 | enouf | 3d what? |
| 07:53.13 | varney | enouf: yes, the unetbootin program copies it to the usb stick (extracts it to the stick) and makes it bootable in one go |
| 07:53.17 | jelly-home | Llama: simple answer, you can't |
| 07:53.31 | khaije1 | Deepa^bum: nah this was like a miro alternate |
| 07:53.40 | Llama | Deepa^bum, rsyslog can store data in DB, syslog-ng have nice filtering and templates for filenames&path |
| 07:53.43 | ddm | hey, how long will debian etch be supported with security updates? |
| 07:54.06 | enouf | varney: that's more involved then .. and silly (IMHO) |
| 07:54.14 | mischief6 | cahoot, didn't help flash :x still no audio or video |
| 07:54.18 | Llama | jelly-home, are there another answers ? :) |
| 07:54.22 | varney | enouf: loop mount? i'll have to read up on that |
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| 07:54.34 | enouf | varney: man losetup as well |
| 07:54.40 | varney | jelly-home: is there something there i missed? |
| 07:54.42 | enouf | man mount |
| 07:54.43 | Llama | Sure I can just rebuild package and modify Control, but it's not a nice solution. |
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| 07:54.54 | badserii | doleyb: nop. It doesn-t. I tried this: for i in $(top -b -n 1 | grep ps | grep -v kpsmoused | awk '{print $1}'); do kill -9 "$i"; done |
| 07:55.01 | badserii | and still it didn't help |
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| 07:56.11 | varney | enouf: oh and btw, loop mount work because the iso gets extracted, not just copied as iso format |
| 07:56.26 | enouf | varney: basically, loop allows mounting files as if they were block devices |
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| 07:56.49 | enouf | varney: /msg dpkg cd mount |
| 07:57.12 | varney | 'no idea' is the reply |
| 07:57.17 | varney | ! |
| 07:57.29 | enouf | varney: /msg dpkg mount cdrom (sorry) |
| 07:57.38 | enouf | to get an idea |
| 07:58.01 | enouf | crap |
| 07:58.06 | enouf | !iso mount |
| 07:58.07 | dpkg | iso mount is, like, mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 07:58.11 | enouf | there |
| 07:58.22 | varney | enouf: funnily enough, i tried /etc/fstab from a console within the installation procedure, but i didn't see much |
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| 07:58.36 | varney | could i force it to recognise the usb stick as a cdrom? |
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| 07:59.04 | varney | yep, i remember mount -ting isos b4 |
| 07:59.07 | Deepa^bum | Go for loopback imho |
| 07:59.31 | enouf | all -- usb stick and a cdrom drive and a file can be seen as block devices |
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| 08:00.14 | varney | well let's say i do mount it, i'd have to mount it at /media/cdrom for it to work, and be detected by the installer, right? |
| 08:00.18 | mibb_ | <a href="http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001QSCZBC?ie=UTF8&tag=starmania0b-21&linkCode=as2&camp=1638&creative=6742&creativeASIN=B001QSCZBC">Starmania-das Beste2009 & Duette</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.de/e/ir?t=starmania0b-21&l=as2&o=3&a=B001QSCZBC" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> |
| 08:00.27 | mibb_ | damnit, sorry |
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| 08:00.35 | varney | i was about to ask wtf |
| 08:00.42 | varney | ^__^ |
| 08:00.45 | mibb_ | :) sry, wrong clipboard |
| 08:00.58 | mibb_ | hey, I'm using msmtp to forward my email to a smtp server, however I would like to send mail to a user on the localhost directly, but can't figure out how... can anyone give me a hint please? |
| 08:01.00 | mibb_ | :) |
| 08:01.00 | enouf | varney: see - we're Debian (installer) specific here -- for ex; console messages are on alt-f4 - there are BOOT_DEBUG= modes ... etc etc |
| 08:01.35 | Deepa^bum | mibb_: netcat in and say EHLO? |
| 08:01.37 | varney | enouf: ye, you're kinda making sense, in a non-sensical way |
| 08:01.53 | Deepa^bum | enouf always makes sense |
| 08:01.58 | enouf | shakes head .. to shake it off :-P |
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| 08:03.58 | mibb_ | netcan it? not sure how you mean that, msmtp forwards the smtp connections |
| 08:04.04 | mibb_ | *netcat |
| 08:04.19 | enouf | varney: read this http://wiki.osdev.org/Loopback_Device |
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| 08:05.08 | dekar | time |
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| 08:07.24 | khaije1 | elisa! elisa is what i was trying to remember |
| 08:07.32 | Deepa^bum | I'm a Lisa |
| 08:07.34 | moshisushi | hello, i'm trying to install nmap in lenny, but apt says: E: Package nmap has no installation candidate |
| 08:07.44 | Deepa^bum | moshisushi: apt-cache search nmap |
| 08:07.53 | moshisushi | Deepa^bum: it's listed |
| 08:07.58 | moshisushi | i tried that of course |
| 08:08.12 | moshisushi | also, it says: Package nmap is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 08:08.25 | moshisushi | what other package? how do i find out? |
| 08:08.38 | d-b | moshisushi: what does your sources.lst look like ? |
| 08:08.58 | d-b | moshisushi: /etc/apt/ sources.list* |
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| 08:09.39 | moshisushi | d-b: i have deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ lenny |
| 08:09.45 | moshisushi | with main and contrib |
| 08:09.51 | enouf | judd: versions nmap |
| 08:09.51 | judd | enouf: nmap -- etch: 4.11-1 etch-backports: 4.62-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 4.62-1 lenny-backports: 4.68-1~bpo50+1 sid: 4.68-1 squeeze: 4.68-1 |
| 08:10.15 | moshisushi | deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib |
| 08:10.20 | moshisushi | i have that one too |
| 08:10.27 | enouf | !info nmap lenny |
| 08:10.29 | Deepa^bum | sid has newer than etch? |
| 08:10.44 | et | moshisushi: etch-backports and lenny does not seem right |
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| 08:10.53 | enouf | Deepa^bum: judd sometimes has brainfarts |
| 08:10.56 | d-b | Deepa^bum: etch is old stable, lenny is stable, squeeze is testing and sid is unstable. |
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| 08:10.58 | dpkg | nmap: (The Network Mapper), section net, is extra. Version: 4.62-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 1023 kB, Installed size: 3632 kB |
| 08:11.20 | moshisushi | is extra? |
| 08:11.21 | Deepa^bum | oh |
| 08:11.25 | dondelelcaro | Deepa^bum: uh... look at the output again |
| 08:11.26 | enouf | Deepa^bum: seems you do too :-P |
| 08:11.33 | enouf | moshisushi: extra means nothing |
| 08:11.43 | dondelelcaro | extra is the Priority |
| 08:11.49 | enouf | moshisushi: still in main |
| 08:12.07 | moshisushi | i tried to switch mirrors and stuff, but still the same |
| 08:12.15 | Deepa^bum | !info pico lenny |
| 08:12.27 | enouf | dondelelcaro: can aptitude settings affect that? |
| 08:12.27 | Deepa^bum | bummer |
| 08:12.58 | dondelelcaro | enouf: no |
| 08:13.08 | enouf | ok, thanks dondelelcaro |
| 08:13.28 | dondelelcaro | enouf: it really only used to have meaning for organizing packages (especially on cds) |
| 08:13.33 | dondelelcaro | enouf: now it can pretty much be ignored |
| 08:13.51 | enouf | sure - thanks again |
| 08:13.57 | moshisushi | i really don't unserstand apt sometimes.. how can a package be listed with apt-cache and not installable by apt-get? |
| 08:14.17 | enouf | moshisushi: your cache is old |
| 08:14.29 | moshisushi | enouf: not more than 2 minutes old |
| 08:14.58 | enouf | moshisushi: apt-get autoremove is wonderous - but please READ the man pages |
| 08:15.11 | Deepa^bum | dpkg -i |
| 08:15.11 | dpkg | Deepa^bum: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 08:15.43 | enouf | moshisushi: unlikely - or you're not describing the issue correctly, or .. i misunderstand |
| 08:16.29 | enouf | sorry - i think i meant 'autoclean' moshisushi |
| 08:17.00 | enouf | i've used it recently though |
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| 08:18.45 | moshisushi | enouf: it's still listed after autoclean and update |
| 08:19.30 | enouf | moshisushi: you must have some pinning or hold or apt.conf things going on then .. is my best guess |
| 08:20.05 | Deepa^bum | Download the deb and do dpkg -i :-)? |
| 08:20.08 | enouf | moshisushi: i wasn |
| 08:20.32 | enouf | moshisushi: i wasn't following your orig issue - but am slowly catching up |
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| 08:21.49 | enouf | moshisushi: "apt-get -s install nmap" says? also try "aptitude install nmap" and "aptitude why nmap" |
| 08:22.02 | khaije1 | is there a way to change the tempfolder iceweasel uses from /tmp to ~/tmp ? |
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| 08:22.24 | enouf | moshisushi: also - apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy nmap |
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| 08:23.45 | enouf | moshisushi: etch-backports? wtf? you said Lenny? no? |
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| 08:23.56 | wtf_ | hi |
| 08:24.01 | moshisushi | etch-backports is not there |
| 08:24.05 | wtf_ | open office impress is god awful, is there anything better? |
| 08:24.06 | moshisushi | it was old crap, its commented out |
| 08:24.15 | wtf_ | i just want to view some math slides |
| 08:24.23 | moshisushi | wtf_: LaTeX :p |
| 08:24.28 | wtf_ | dont tell me i gotta go duel boot to view slides. |
| 08:24.29 | moshisushi | ah view... |
| 08:24.30 | moshisushi | hmmmm |
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| 08:25.38 | cahoot | wtf_: slides as in powerpoint files? |
| 08:25.41 | wtf_ | is the 2.4 the latest version Debian has to offer ? |
| 08:25.45 | wtf_ | yes power point |
| 08:25.46 | wtf_ | ppt |
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| 08:25.59 | craigevil | 3.0.1 is in testing and sid |
| 08:26.06 | wtf_ | sigh |
| 08:26.15 | wtf_ | still in the stone age as usual. |
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| 08:26.20 | wtf_ | i'll just go to the library |
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| 08:26.34 | eanda | Morning all: i686 Debian Lenny, installed flashplugin-nonfree from backports. Adobe Flash test page shows Adobe Flash Player working but not Adobe Shockwave. any help here? |
| 08:27.21 | craigevil | there is no shockwave for linux |
| 08:27.23 | eanda | Oh ok. didn't know that |
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| 08:27.44 | eanda | so I should assume my plugin is working correctly |
| 08:28.13 | AcTiVaTe | Or you can just test it |
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| 08:28.20 | AcTiVaTe | Like going to grooveshark.com |
| 08:28.36 | AcTiVaTe | But Adobe's site should be enough tbh |
| 08:28.39 | enouf | eanda: SWF is an ActiveX object |
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| 08:29.16 | eanda | enouf: i did install swf |
| 08:29.17 | enouf | which should tell you a lot about how much crap it is |
| 08:29.38 | enouf | installing crap isn't recommended |
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| 08:30.28 | kunal | hello. |
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| 08:30.43 | kunal | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 08:30.47 | eanda | enouf: actually i installed libswfdec |
| 08:30.51 | kunal | please dont tell me debain is 20 CD long. |
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| 08:32.02 | eanda | enouf: I also installed swfdec-mozilla |
| 08:32.02 | kunal | is it actually that big? |
| 08:32.39 | doleyb | kunal: it is big, but downloading all of debian isn't how you do it. only get what you'll use |
| 08:32.54 | kunal | doleby |
| 08:32.58 | kunal | should i just download the 1st one? |
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| 08:33.13 | kunal | i just need a basic installation- i am a newbie. |
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| 08:34.11 | kunal | anyone here? |
| 08:34.12 | doleyb | kunal: yes, then just get one cd. you can get anything else individually over the internet later. |
| 08:34.27 | kunal | ok. so i just download the 1st disc. |
| 08:34.41 | doleyb | !netinst |
| 08:34.41 | dpkg | i heard netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but which is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 08:34.47 | kunal | also doleyb. sorry for disturbing you. but another question. is there any console based connection? |
| 08:35.10 | doleyb | kunal: connection to what? |
| 08:35.21 | kunal | console based text messener i meant. |
| 08:35.25 | kunal | like for MSN |
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| 08:35.46 | doleyb | kunal: for irc? or for real MSN? |
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| 08:36.04 | RSD | HI lads, i need some help, my debian box cant seems to get online |
| 08:36.39 | kunal | for real MSN |
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| 08:36.54 | craigevil | finch |
| 08:37.16 | RSD | huh? |
| 08:37.43 | kunal | doleyb? |
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| 08:37.53 | doleyb | kunal: finch is a package that's supposed to do msn in console |
| 08:38.06 | craigevil | kunal: Finch is a text/console-based, modular instant messaging client capable of using AIM/ICQ, Yahoo!, MSN, IRC, Jabber, Napster, Zephyr, Gadu-Gadu, Bonjour, Groupwise, Sametime, SILC, and SIMPLE all at once |
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| 08:38.37 | enouf | !info bitlbee lenny |
| 08:38.39 | dpkg | bitlbee: (An IRC to other chat networks gateway), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.3-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 318 kB, Installed size: 724 kB |
| 08:38.44 | kunal | ok thanks. sorry. |
| 08:39.00 | kunal | as you can imagine. i am a very big NEWBIE. |
| 08:39.10 | doleyb | RSD can you give some info about how you tried to get online? what nets, etc |
| 08:39.22 | enouf | !tell kunal -about search |
| 08:39.36 | kunal | so you reckon i should get get netinst? |
| 08:39.39 | RSD | doleyb, we |
| 08:39.42 | enouf | !tell kunal -about grounding |
| 08:39.42 | RSD | well it can see packets |
| 08:39.44 | RSD | RX TX |
| 08:39.46 | kunal | burn it on a CD and run it on the computer. |
| 08:39.56 | kunal | ok ok . fine fine..dont help me i'll figure it out. |
| 08:40.03 | RSD | and when i try to browse the net i get, Address Not Found |
| 08:40.06 | RSD | I cant pig anything :S |
| 08:40.10 | RSD | *ping |
| 08:40.19 | enouf | !pig RSD |
| 08:40.19 | dpkg | Get up, RSD boy. I bet you can squeal. I bet you can squeal like a pig. |
| 08:40.27 | enouf | :-P |
| 08:40.29 | RSD | lol |
| 08:40.33 | RSD | so anyone got any ideas? |
| 08:40.42 | RSD | where can i find the network config file? where the IP etc is defined? |
| 08:40.54 | enouf | !interfaces |
| 08:40.55 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 08:40.56 | RSD | AS i have hardocded the IP and network info, should id elete and ask it to find it automatically? |
| 08:41.30 | enouf | RSD: /msg dpkg resolv.conf |
| 08:41.41 | RSD | ermmm enough |
| 08:41.43 | RSD | i done |
| 08:41.44 | RSD | ifdown -a |
| 08:41.48 | RSD | and then done ifup -a |
| 08:41.54 | RSD | dont think interface is back up :S |
| 08:42.31 | enouf | try 'ifconfig <iface> up' - and check output of route and arp |
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| 08:42.47 | enouf | for default gw |
| 08:43.00 | enouf | dmesg | tail |
| 08:43.15 | RSD | no such file or directory iface |
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| 08:43.36 | X1938-- | heres the problem |
| 08:43.41 | enouf | try 'ifconfig eth0 up' - as an ex |
| 08:43.43 | X1938-- | trying to setup vhosts for irc |
| 08:43.47 | X1938-- | what tools do i need |
| 08:43.57 | X1938-- | bind . ns ? anything else ? |
| 08:44.50 | RSD | ok |
| 08:44.54 | X1938-- | are these vhosts that are used for irc coonection like the ones used for plain sites ? |
| 08:44.55 | RSD | wrong info was in the resolve config |
| 08:45.01 | RSD | so ideleted the info |
| 08:45.34 | X1938-- | connections* |
| 08:45.37 | RSD | ok so eth0 is up now |
| 08:45.43 | RSD | but i still cant browse the net :S |
| 08:46.04 | X1938-- | RSD , whats up ? |
| 08:46.18 | RSD | having net issue |
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| 08:46.26 | RSD | has all the net info there |
| 08:46.29 | X1938-- | internet over what ? |
| 08:46.31 | RSD | but cant really seem to browse the net |
| 08:46.32 | X1938-- | ppp? |
| 08:46.34 | RSD | yeh |
| 08:46.37 | RSD | adsl |
| 08:46.51 | X1938-- | did you set ppp ? |
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| 08:47.04 | RSD | it was all workig before |
| 08:47.04 | X1938-- | login as root |
| 08:47.09 | X1938-- | tpye poff -a |
| 08:47.09 | eaxxae | is ubuntu more advanced than debian .. or just a commercialized version of basically the same release/codebase |
| 08:47.10 | RSD | untill i fucked with the eth0 config file |
| 08:47.13 | X1938-- | the pon dsl-provider |
| 08:47.22 | RSD | cant remmber where it was so i can change it back |
| 08:47.22 | X1938-- | then* |
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| 08:47.29 | RSD | poff -a command not recognised |
| 08:47.41 | X1938-- | you have pppd installed ? |
| 08:48.12 | RSD | x1938 i dont need that.. |
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| 08:48.18 | X1938-- | anything under plog ? |
| 08:48.21 | enouf | eaxxae: is an ape more advanced than a chimp? |
| 08:48.23 | RSD | i need to kow where i cane dit the info for eth0 or replacyed it with the default one |
| 08:48.31 | app4des | eaxxae: ubuntu has newer versions of various packages |
| 08:49.00 | X1938-- | its a plan config file |
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| 08:49.01 | enouf | eaxxae: is a half-advanced ape more advanced than some humans? |
| 08:49.12 | X1938-- | forgot its location |
| 08:49.15 | eaxxae | enouf: I'm not an expert on primates .. no idea |
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| 08:49.30 | RSD | x1938 i added stuff to the config file.. |
| 08:49.32 | RSD | for eth0 |
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| 08:49.34 | X1938-- | but you can edit it using ifconfig ... |
| 08:49.35 | enouf | eaxxae: i am, and your questions are ; primitive |
| 08:49.42 | RSD | x1938 where is the location |
| 08:49.50 | X1938-- | i cant remember |
| 08:50.02 | Deepa^bum | Easy answer, Ubuntu is based on Debiand and they wish they were as good as Debian |
| 08:50.08 | eaxxae | enouf: vague questions on irc are easier than rtfm ... |
| 08:50.33 | enouf | and smiting trolls can sometimes be fun |
| 08:50.34 | Deepa^bum | I don't see how reading manuals can give you an understanding of what's better between Debiand and Ubuntu |
| 08:50.38 | Deepa^bum | I mean they got the same manuals |
| 08:50.44 | Deepa^bum | (the packages) |
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| 08:50.50 | app4des | actually the worst thing about ubuntu is its name :P |
| 08:50.53 | eaxxae | enouf: are you talking about yourself ? |
| 08:51.07 | Deepa^bum | eaxxae: mind you. enouf is somewhat an expert |
| 08:51.07 | enouf | eaxxae: did you mention your mother? |
| 08:51.09 | X1938-- | Deepa^bum : depends what you mean by better ? |
| 08:51.46 | Deepa^bum | When I think Debian and FreeNode I think enouf, he's one of the people who always seems to be here and can always help people |
| 08:51.48 | enouf | Deepa^bum: no need - thanks - i appreciate the kind words, but really, i'm an avid user only |
| 08:52.59 | enouf | (and naturally, when here - i do try to be helpful .. and productive even) |
| 08:53.19 | Deepa^bum | Do you ever sleep? |
| 08:53.41 | Deepa^bum | whoa |
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| 08:53.47 | Deepa^bum | I found out I can lock my screen in screen :D |
| 08:53.47 | enouf | sometimes ... - ask me about eating lately though .. nm - way off-topic |
| 08:54.23 | Deepa^bum | How safe is the ^A^X lock? |
| 08:54.32 | Deepa^bum | safe enough to leave a terminal open while taking a toilet break? |
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| 08:55.15 | enouf | Deepa^bum: depends if you need a Key .... |
| 08:55.20 | enouf | for the toilet :-P |
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| 08:57.03 | Deepa^bum | :) |
| 08:57.04 | X1938-- | enouf : remember you told me once to take a look at the advance bash scripting guide |
| 08:57.13 | Deepa^bum | Hmm, wonder if it's possible to trigger a KVM switch through VNC |
| 08:57.14 | X1938-- | great guide |
| 08:57.33 | X1938-- | very comprehensive |
| 08:57.48 | X1938-- | concise and to the point |
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| 08:58.26 | enouf | !praise tldp.org |
| 08:58.26 | dpkg | bows down before tldp.org. "You rock, tldp.org!" |
| 08:58.33 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 08:59.09 | X1938-- | hehe |
| 08:59.32 | X1938-- | well they do have some outdated stuff |
| 08:59.42 | enouf | it |
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| 08:59.47 | X1938-- | but that guide at least is up to date. |
| 08:59.58 | X1938-- | it* |
| 09:00.03 | enouf | it's "documentation" .. what do you expect :-) |
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| 09:00.43 | X1938-- | i expect revisions :P |
| 09:00.56 | enouf | !love Regurlarly Updated Docs |
| 09:00.57 | dpkg | makes love to Regurlarly Updated Docs, caressing Regurlarly Updated Docs's hair, whispering sweet nothings in Regurlarly Updated Docs's ear... |
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| 09:01.51 | X1938-- | enjoy abusing the bots enouf ? |
| 09:01.53 | enouf | X1938--: and 'whom' shall be called upon to make those 'revisions'? :-) |
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| 09:02.13 | X1938-- | hides |
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| 09:03.36 | app4des | is there any advantage from building packages from unstable to a stable distro instead of installing them directly? |
| 09:03.58 | enouf | !distro |
| 09:03.59 | dpkg | i guess distro is short for distribution. |
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| 09:04.14 | enouf | !release |
| 09:04.14 | dpkg | i guess release is Lenny was released on 2009-02-14. Lenny is Debian 5.0 and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <etch->lenny> or see http://www.debian.org/releases/ or <release history> for the latest (and historical) releases. |
| 09:04.47 | bolt-work | app4des: if you install from unstable, you'll have to grab all the dependencies from it from unstable, which may or may not screw up other stuff |
| 09:04.54 | X1938-- | i think we ne a " after is and at the end |
| 09:05.02 | X1938-- | we need* |
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| 09:05.50 | enouf | app4des: concerning Debian, /msg dpkg backports |
| 09:05.52 | app4des | bolt-work: so the safest route for stability of the system is to build a unstable packages with stable -dev ? |
| 09:06.24 | X1938-- | app4des : if you want to install something thats on stable , build it from source to get it with apt |
| 09:06.38 | enouf | i'm almost at "rtfm" stage |
| 09:06.40 | X1938-- | make sure it doesnt need any dep. for the stable release |
| 09:07.12 | X1938-- | im mean build it from source dont get it with apt*** |
| 09:07.24 | X1938-- | damn i need some sleep |
| 09:08.55 | enouf | !stability |
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| 09:09.14 | streuner | !listkeys stability |
| 09:09.16 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'stability' by key (3): _default kernel of instability ;; kernel of instability ;; #debian kernel of instability. |
| 09:09.25 | enouf | !sns |
| 09:09.25 | dpkg | hmm... sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 09:10.18 | Wulf4 | hello |
| 09:10.27 | X1938-- | Wulf4 : hello there |
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| 09:11.19 | X1938-- | welcome to your friendly Linux support channel. |
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| 09:11.49 | app4des | very friendly, RTFM and Google it as the most answers :P |
| 09:11.53 | Wulf4 | someone just told me that much less packages make it into `unstable' while `testing' is in freeze. Is this true? |
| 09:12.13 | azeem | Wulf4: yes |
| 09:12.24 | azeem | testing is currently not in freeze though |
| 09:12.28 | eaxxae | app: or outright hostility and egocentric banter from trolls who will remain nameless |
| 09:12.29 | X1938-- | app4des : i never do that |
| 09:12.35 | X1938-- | well , some times |
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| 09:12.57 | Wulf4 | azeem: is there some official document which describes this procedure? |
| 09:13.04 | azeem | I don't think so |
| 09:13.26 | azeem | Wulf4: just read the release updates issues by the release team over the last year or so on the debian-devel-announc mailing list |
| 09:14.25 | streuner | app4des: you got an answer |
| 09:14.51 | streuner | app4des: and that wasnt RTFM and google |
| 09:15.11 | app4des | streuner: not talking about my case, in general |
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| 09:15.49 | streuner | app4des: How long you are in this channel? |
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| 09:15.57 | tengulre11 | I have a linux server box in lan network, but I can not let port 800 forward wan network,why? (other linux box work good) |
| 09:16.08 | app4des | streuner been joining for some years I think why |
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| 09:16.44 | streuner | app4des: well, because iam since '99 in this channel, but didnt see you very often :-) |
| 09:16.53 | asdfqwer | anyone do a lot of programming for gnome? |
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| 09:17.12 | app4des | streuner was joining with different nicks |
| 09:17.16 | azeem | asdfqwer: this is not a programming chan |
| 09:17.25 | asdfqwer | i was wondering how i would change my desktop icons to iterate on x axis opposed to a y |
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| 09:17.39 | streuner | irc.gimp.org #gimp, #gnome or such... |
| 09:17.39 | asdfqwer | azeem, no one is ever in #gnome |
| 09:17.46 | asdfqwer | oh ok |
| 09:17.48 | azeem | asdfqwer: that has nothing to do with programming |
| 09:18.12 | app4des | streuner: it is just a problem in general, the RTFM and google it, as common answer is somewhat advanced distros |
| 09:18.21 | app4des | are* |
| 09:18.29 | azeem | app4des: can you drop it now, please |
| 09:18.29 | asdfqwer | azeem, so you're saying this is already builtin |
| 09:18.54 | azeem | asdfqwer: I didn't say that |
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| 09:19.11 | asdfqwer | azeem, well then, someone has to write it |
| 09:19.33 | azeem | asdfqwer: I don't think so; you can file a bug and hope of course |
| 09:19.40 | asdfqwer | lol nice idea |
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| 09:20.04 | asdfqwer | streuner, irc.gimp.org ?! |
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| 09:20.15 | streuner | yes |
| 09:20.27 | asdfqwer | gimp isn't gnome |
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| 09:20.38 | streuner | irc.gimp.org is the server of gnome, IIRC |
| 09:20.43 | Wulf4 | azeem: thanks, found it |
| 09:20.57 | asdfqwer | weird, but ok |
| 09:21.03 | alexfailex | hello, I create debian package and in postinst I do some altering of the $HOME directory, i.e. I create the ~/.local folder if it doesn't exist. But when I use the $HOME var, it creates /root/.local and not /home/myuser/.local folder. How do I tell the deb package to alter the home folder of the user that is installing the package and not root? |
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| 09:21.23 | azeem | alexfailex: it's something you shouldn't do in a package |
| 09:21.32 | azeem | package are for system-wide things, not user configuration |
| 09:21.44 | azeem | alexfailex: and users never install packages, root does |
| 09:21.50 | alexfailex | then how do i create the folder in the home of the user |
| 09:21.52 | azeem | even if you install them with sudo |
| 09:22.00 | azeem | alexfailex: as your user, run mkdir |
| 09:22.10 | alexfailex | azeem: no, it has to be automated |
| 09:22.12 | azeem | alexfailex: and/or look at the bash skeleton |
| 09:22.25 | azeem | and pam stuff and adduser |
| 09:22.52 | alexfailex | :/ |
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| 09:23.33 | Wulf4 | alexfailex: the program which you install should check for this directory and create it when neccessaray. |
| 09:23.33 | enouf | alexfailex: that's nuts, there's no /root/.local/ here |
| 09:23.54 | azeem | enouf: ? |
| 09:23.58 | alexfailex | enouf: u dont get it |
| 09:24.11 | enouf | alexfailex: as a matter of fact - any ~/.local/ even seems so redmond-ish |
| 09:24.18 | enouf | ever look in there? |
| 09:24.20 | alexfailex | Wulf4: yes that is what I tought of |
| 09:24.24 | azeem | enouf: eh, it's in spec, ok? |
| 09:24.27 | azeem | AFAIK |
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| 09:25.01 | enouf | ~$ ls /root/.local/ |
| 09:25.23 | enouf | ls: /root/.local/: Permission denied |
| 09:25.24 | azeem | enouf: what's your point? |
| 09:25.24 | alexfailex | jzs |
| 09:25.24 | enouf | heh - i guess it exists; my bad |
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| 09:25.31 | azeem | enouf: your root isn't +x for regular users |
| 09:25.32 | azeem | I guess |
| 09:25.45 | alexfailex | which one is it? :) |
| 09:25.56 | azeem | alexfailex: hrm? |
| 09:25.56 | enouf | and it shouldn't be azeem - afaict |
| 09:25.58 | alexfailex | it is silly to be +x |
| 09:26.20 | alexfailex | kthx guys bye |
| 09:26.21 | alexfailex | ;) |
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| 09:29.27 | enouf | azeem: i think you meant more not +r via regular users ; http://rafb.net/p/r9bJYM72.html |
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| 09:31.01 | X1938 | .win new |
| 09:31.05 | X1938 | :S |
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| 09:31.41 | dacs | howdy folks |
| 09:31.47 | X1938 | this is what happens after 24 of non sleep |
| 09:32.01 | X1938 | "howdy" dacs |
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| 09:32.53 | dacs | quick question, i just start reading debian tutorial from debian manual. "Proprietary software is non-free software, while commercial software is software sold for money." |
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| 09:33.31 | dacs | by non-free-Do they mean that its not open source software/OSS or (R)? |
| 09:35.09 | doleyb | dacs: they mean any of many ways something can be not free. it might cost zero money, but its still not free |
| 09:35.13 | lvh | dacs: non-free is proprietary is "not OSS" |
| 09:35.16 | lvh | usually. |
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| 09:35.24 | app4des | dacs: non-free means mostly closed source and not allowed to modify, still free to get/use |
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| 09:36.36 | dacs | doleyb: lvh and app4des Thank you folks that answer my question |
| 09:37.25 | Deepa^bum | Don't you mean or not allowed to modify and post? |
| 09:37.41 | divad | dacs, non-free packages do not comply with DFSG http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 09:38.16 | X1938 | divad , precisely |
| 09:38.57 | divad | it's possible that the code of a non-free app is available, but the license is too restrictive in some way |
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| 09:39.45 | doleyb | for example, you're allowed to post changes, but your works becomes property of Sun Microsystems. |
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| 09:40.05 | divad | e.g. "you can do whatever you like with this code but you must send me a postcard depicting the closest baptist church" |
| 09:40.12 | Arafangion | Welcome Lenny. :) |
| 09:40.20 | Arafangion | is finally upgrading. |
| 09:40.21 | Deepa^bum | I like postcardware |
| 09:40.39 | divad | Deepa^bum, it's still non-free ;-) |
| 09:40.54 | divad | if it's compulsory, anyway |
| 09:40.54 | Deepa^bum | The one that says 'you may do whatever the hell you want with this except sell it, But if you like it, I'd really like it if you sent me a postcard saying you did." |
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| 09:41.20 | Deepa^bum | or beerware 8D |
| 09:41.28 | Deepa^bum | There's too much wares |
| 09:41.29 | Arafangion | Deepa^bum: Or how about the "Here's a post card - please try not to send me more mail during the holidays"?!? ;) |
| 09:41.44 | Deepa^bum | :D |
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| 09:42.24 | Arafangion | Hmm, the "safe-upgrade" command is depreciated now? |
| 09:42.29 | Arafangion | (Referring to aptitude) |
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| 09:43.57 | Dhananjay | :-D |
| 09:44.18 | Arafangion | Dhananjay: Why are you grinning? |
| 09:44.26 | flourish_ | hello all, just now, my keyboard was locked and even cannot input a single key. Fortunately, i can use the mouse to switch user and it works for login dialog. So i ALT+CTRL+F1 and login in ... what's the problem |
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| 09:45.08 | Arafangion | flourish_: Well, you've just proven that it's not the graphics driver. Could still be X11, or something's stolen your focus. |
| 09:46.41 | flourish_ | Arafangion: I just chroot into a clear lenny system and do the grep ... |
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| 09:46.59 | flourish_ | Arafangion: must be X11 |
| 09:47.25 | flourish_ | Arafangion: Maybe some shoutcut which i don't knwo to lock the keyboard |
| 09:47.38 | Arafangion | Why would there be such a thing? |
| 09:47.41 | Arafangion | :( |
| 09:47.49 | Deepa^bum | Obviously... to lock the keyboard :p? |
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| 09:48.00 | flourish_ | This is the reason i am here now:-) |
| 09:48.01 | Dhananjay | aha nothing |
| 09:48.13 | Deepa^bum | I second the something stolen focus |
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| 09:48.20 | Arafangion | Well... You /can/ lock the consoles and terminals, but not the whole screen normally. |
| 09:48.41 | Dhananjay | hey i cannot cofigure the wvdial with pppconfig |
| 09:48.44 | Arafangion | (And it _is_ useful to lock the console, incidentially, but that's not the same issue) |
| 09:48.55 | flourish_ | but i can use the mouse |
| 09:49.12 | Deepa^bum | /sbin/halt |
| 09:49.19 | Deepa^bum | Where's your can't lock now? |
| 09:49.42 | Arafangion | Deepa^bum: flourish_ is probably frustrated, this isn't really the time to make jokes. |
| 09:49.51 | flourish_ | i use the mouse to lock the screen and switch user and then change to tty |
| 09:50.12 | Deepa^bum | Can you change tty when the keyboard is locked? |
| 09:50.20 | flourish_ | Arafangion: thanks very much. a little frustrated ;( |
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| 09:50.35 | flourish_ | cannot unless switch to another user |
| 09:53.39 | flourish_ | i don't want to just reboot the system, I think maybe there is something to know about the lock ^_^ any idea? |
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| 09:54.19 | Arafangion | flourish_: In these situations, unless it's the graphics drivers that's locked up, which isn't the case for you, I find that at /worst/, I have to kill the x session, which is a PITA by itself, really. |
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| 09:56.43 | flourish_ | ok, try to restart x :-) |
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| 09:58.53 | flourish | come back |
| 09:58.55 | flourish | :-) |
| 10:00.05 | Arafangion | flourish: :) |
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| 10:00.36 | Arafangion | flourish: Of course, could happen again. :( Hopefully there's a pattern and you get to report a bug, but I think that's unlikely. :( |
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| 10:00.44 | Arafangion | Frustrating, though. |
| 10:00.57 | Arafangion | Which WM/DE do you use? |
| 10:01.00 | flourish | Arafangion: Just now i want to find which script invoking the motd when login, so i chroot to /opt/lenny and do the grep and then keyboard locked ;( |
| 10:01.26 | flourish | Arafangion: if it dare happened agagin |
| 10:01.40 | Arafangion | flourish: Well, run your irc session inside screen while you investigate, then. |
| 10:01.54 | Arafangion | flourish: But that is certainly odd... Try stracing it. |
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| 10:02.28 | flourish | Arafangion: sorry but howto strace ... |
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| 10:04.06 | Arafangion | flourish: strace command > command.stdout 2> command.stderr |
| 10:04.10 | Arafangion | (Or something like that) |
| 10:04.27 | flourish | Arafangion: ok, i'll read the manual first |
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| 10:05.04 | Arafangion | flourish: It logs all the system calls the program makes. |
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| 10:06.26 | flourish | B.T.W everytime i login a remote server, it prints the motd messages twice. what's the problem? no .bashxxx no .profile |
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| 10:08.39 | enouf | check what /etc/default/rcS says if anything flourish |
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| 10:10.00 | flourish | enouf: nothing strange |
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| 10:10.26 | Deepa^bum | I want to try my ASP (vbscript) under Debian |
| 10:10.30 | Deepa^bum | Like with php-cli |
| 10:10.39 | Deepa^bum | Anyone know of something that I could use? |
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| 10:12.30 | Deepa^bum | ASP, not ASP.NET |
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| 10:22.37 | |bbinotto| | hi, does anyone know, is it possible to run https at 443/TCP and openvpn at 443 UDP? |
| 10:22.42 | fred-the-bear | Hi to all. Is it possible to write shell scripts in (Bourne or C or Korn Shell) which have (n)curses interfaces? I only find Tutorials which show how to develeop C programs which have (n)curses interfaces. |
| 10:24.53 | fred-the-bear | Some time ago I found a howto like article which described to use termcap (or was it terminfo???) in shell scripts. But I cannot find it anymore. |
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| 10:25.27 | fred-the-bear | Maybe someone can give me a link or a tip where to find something like that. |
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| 10:26.16 | CoolCold | |bbinotto|: this should be possible, thought not tested |
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| 10:27.42 | valentin__ | How can i find big files and folders from the commandline? In gnome i would just use fsview. |
| 10:28.06 | CoolCold | man find? |
| 10:29.04 | valentin__ | ok ill look into it |
| 10:29.54 | CoolCold | smth like find / -type f -size +50M |
| 10:29.54 | enouf | valentin__: http://rafb.net/p/9gS3tU43.html |
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| 10:31.15 | valentin__ | enouf: thx thats exactly what im looking for :-) |
| 10:31.25 | valentin__ | going to add it to my bashrc |
| 10:31.26 | enouf | valentin__: a few aliases i use - naturally based on -mtime and size, etc ; /msg dpkg ufing find |
| 10:31.37 | enouf | using* |
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| 10:36.17 | flourish | hello, a question about apache2 content negotiation. When request a webpage, http://www.example.com/index.html for example, if the client browser prefer en language, but the website on server has both index.html and index.html.en. Which one will respone to the client |
| 10:36.52 | Deepa^bum | It's actually rather well documented |
| 10:37.01 | Deepa^bum | But best practice is try and see ;-) |
| 10:37.28 | Raphael_S[0FF] | xz |
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| 10:37.43 | flourish | it seems cannot negotiate the index.html.en this situation |
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| 10:44.50 | Zyferus | Lenny broke my server :P |
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| 10:45.02 | Deepa^bum | Failed upgrade? |
| 10:45.06 | Zyferus | somewhat |
| 10:45.08 | Zyferus | ye |
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| 10:47.30 | Zyferus | http://rafb.net/p/LrgQWZ23.html |
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| 10:48.00 | Zyferus | any ideas? |
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| 10:50.08 | themill | Zyferus: have you customised these apache2 config files? perhaps pastebin the output of "apache2ctl -t" |
| 10:51.12 | Zyferus | http://rafb.net/p/nL2oYH74.html |
| 10:51.55 | Zyferus | i used pretty much the defaults, all that was modified was to allow ~<user> folders and php5 |
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| 10:52.21 | Zyferus | whiched worked perfectly b4 Lenny |
| 10:52.45 | Zyferus | and i didn;t use CUPS, now it won;t even let me remove it |
| 10:52.52 | themill | Zyferus: what does "file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so" give? |
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| 10:53.54 | Zyferus | http://rafb.net/p/efM1fL81.html |
| 10:54.00 | f1y | Hello. |
| 10:55.41 | Zyferus | is taht what it is supposed to say? |
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| 10:58.38 | mne | Hi, I was wondering if there is a global way (i.e. config file) to set the number of CPUs make (make -j <number of CPUs>) uses when compiling. I would like to use all my CPUs when building debs |
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| 11:00.51 | enouf | mne: sure - man dpkg-buildpackage |
| 11:00.58 | enouf | see -j option? |
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| 11:02.22 | enouf | mne: for make-kpkg see, CONCURRENT_CPU= variable or similar (man kernel-package ; man make-kpkg, etc) |
| 11:03.28 | mne | enouf, thanks |
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| 11:04.14 | jatt | hi I want to run fetchnews as a cron job but the cron logs say: |
| 11:04.14 | jatt | Mar 10 11:00:44 dell-desktop fetchnews[9459]: fetchnews: must be run as news or root |
| 11:04.28 | jatt | how can I run fetchnews as news user from cron? |
| 11:04.36 | themill | Zyferus: yeah, that looks fine.... I've got to run off now... there are others around who will help though |
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| 11:06.00 | Zyferus | lol, i kina hopeso, it;s got me a bit fumed |
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| 11:08.43 | mne | enouf, is there also a way if I manually build a package using "debian/rules" ? |
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| 11:11.50 | mne | enouf, got it, thanks |
| 11:12.20 | Zyferus | paces slowly |
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| 11:18.51 | Zyferus | http://rafb.net/p/LrgQWZ23.html |
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| 11:19.03 | enouf | slaps around Zyferus with a huge petrified coelacanth to pick up the pace a bit |
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| 11:19.44 | johnf | I have a package I create which has our web app. Gets installed into /usr/share/company/app1. Is there an easy way to generate 2 packages the second called -stage which installs the exact same stuff into app1-stage? could I pass an environ variable that gets postfixed everywhere in control and rules etc for instance? |
| 11:19.55 | Zyferus | paces faster waiting on anyone who can assist |
| 11:20.00 | johnf | anyone know of a pacage that does something similar I could look at |
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| 11:27.51 | _polto_ | hi all |
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| 11:28.43 | _polto_ | am I going totally crazy ? IÂ can't find where to download iso of Debian 4.0.r1 I need this specific version. I can find only 5.0.0 or 3.1 and older. |
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| 11:30.32 | Arafangion | Bleh, The only thing that doesn't work now that I've upgraded to Lenny is evolution. (Though I haven't rebooted yet). |
| 11:31.05 | Zyferus | lucky you |
| 11:31.08 | Zyferus | :P |
| 11:31.09 | Arafangion | Indeed(!) |
| 11:31.38 | Arafangion | I can read all my mail fine, but can't delete anything, or quit. (Without a kill) |
| 11:32.02 | Arafangion | It's as if it's using IMAP4r1 instead of IMAP4, or vice versa. |
| 11:32.13 | _polto_ | can somebody help me pls to find a link to download Debian 4.0 ? |
| 11:32.18 | Arafangion | (Fortunately, claws-mail's imap seems to not stink anymore... :) ) |
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| 11:33.57 | Zyferus | _polto_ i on;t have a netinst CD of it |
| 11:34.01 | Zyferus | er only |
| 11:34.35 | _polto_ | How is it possible to have links to all version of Debian but the 4.0 version on the official Debian website ?! |
| 11:34.43 | debian_user | polto: 2007-11-22 ftp://212.87.224.145/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 11:35.43 | _polto_ | thanks debian_user |
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| 11:36.24 | Arafangion | Ok... Evolution seems to work fine unless I enable imap. |
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| 11:37.43 | Rothgar | How can I QoS in Debian? |
| 11:37.57 | f1y | iproute. |
| 11:38.04 | f1y | iproute/iptables |
| 11:38.09 | Rothgar | Is there any examples? |
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| 11:38.56 | _polto_ | debian_user do you agree that it should be listed on the official site ? |
| 11:39.00 | f1y | Rothgar: Of course, www.netfilter.org f.e. |
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| 11:39.13 | f1y | Rothgar: And plenty for iproute in google. |
| 11:40.00 | Arafangion | Rothgar: Same as any Linux-2.6-based distro. |
| 11:40.33 | Zyferus | is beginnig to feel that no one is able to help with his problem |
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| 11:40.37 | Rothgar | I've not really used QoS |
| 11:40.47 | Arafangion | Zyferus: Not many people honestly care about QoS. :( |
| 11:40.56 | Zyferus | QoS? |
| 11:40.58 | Arafangion | Zyferus: As far as I'm concerned, it's something my ISP should be handling. |
| 11:41.09 | Zyferus | i didnl;t ask about QoS |
| 11:41.11 | Arafangion | Zyferus: Sorry, got my people mixed up. |
| 11:41.15 | Zyferus | http://rafb.net/p/LrgQWZ23.html <-- |
| 11:41.39 | abrotman | Zyferus: which part do you want fixed? |
| 11:41.45 | petemc | Rothgar: you could look at wondershaper |
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| 11:41.55 | Zyferus | both, but primarily Apache first |
| 11:42.26 | Zyferus | cause i don;t use Cups, i would like it removed at some point, i use Apache, and need it running |
| 11:42.39 | abrotman | Zyferus: dpkg -l "*php*" ... which version of libapache2-mod-php5 do you have ? |
| 11:43.38 | Zyferus | http://rafb.net/p/UL6tc417.html |
| 11:44.08 | Zyferus | prefer 5, but some remnants of 4 stile exist |
| 11:44.30 | abrotman | then finish your dist-upgrade .. do not try to run a mixed system, it will end in pain |
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| 11:45.07 | Zyferus | when i try to finish my dist upgrade i get the cups error and it quits |
| 11:45.26 | debian_user | polto: I don't know I did find this link using google |
| 11:47.17 | abrotman | Zyferus: delete all those files it's complaining about for cups |
| 11:47.33 | abrotman | Zyferus: except /etc/init.d/cups |
| 11:47.42 | Zyferus | http://rafb.net/p/Vt5jfQ89.html |
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| 11:50.23 | dalto | hello all.. I'm trying to install debian in my acer aspire one, following the procedures at the debian wiki but the installation media can't reconigze my hard disk.. can anyone help me with this? |
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| 11:51.18 | abrotman | Zyferus: update-rc.d cups defaults ? |
| 11:51.21 | eroticon | hello guys |
| 11:51.29 | eroticon | how can i tell which package installed a particular library or file? |
| 11:51.35 | abrotman | !tell Zyferus about lenny release notes |
| 11:51.38 | abrotman | eroticon: apt-file |
| 11:51.58 | eroticon | no apt-file installed. |
| 11:52.03 | abrotman | so instal it |
| 11:52.17 | abrotman | eroticon: or use dpkg -S |
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| 11:53.00 | siyb | eroticon: dpkg-query |
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| 11:54.40 | siyb | eroticon: for instance -> dpkg-query --search /bin/ls |
| 11:55.25 | eroticon | thanks |
| 11:55.33 | debian_user | dalto: what is that disk now ? |
| 11:56.12 | dalto | debian_user, it is a sata 160GB HD |
| 11:56.37 | siyb | eroticon: works the other way around as well (getting to content of a specific package) using the --list option |
| 11:56.41 | dalto | My AAO came with windows installed on it |
| 11:58.24 | lostson | anyone know how to sync a blackberry with debian lenny ? |
| 11:59.15 | Zyferus | begins to pull his hair out |
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| 12:00.10 | Zyferus | http://rafb.net/p/Ku868Q57.html |
| 12:00.21 | dalto | debian_user, more specifically, windows says it is a Intel 82801 GBM / GHM(ICH-M Familly) Serial ATA Storage Controller - 27C4 |
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| 12:01.26 | abrotman | Zyferus: so cups is fxed? |
| 12:01.42 | debian_user | I have no solution, but it looks like google comes up with a lot of similar topics |
| 12:01.58 | Zyferus | yea i finaly got it removed, now i NEED apache running |
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| 12:02.09 | dalto | debian_user, i didn't found any of them |
| 12:02.26 | abrotman | Zyferus: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "*apache*" |
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| 12:04.12 | Zyf_Lappy | mm, not sure what happneed there |
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| 12:04.16 | Zyf_Lappy | http://rafb.net/p/MmktNW10.html |
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| 12:05.17 | abrotman | Zyf_Lappy: aptitude reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 12:05.55 | abrotman | Zyf_Lappy: aptitude reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 libxml2 |
| 12:05.58 | debian_user | dalto: what version ? here quickly found: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479486 |
| 12:06.21 | Zyf_Lappy | LOL, taht takes out 'sudo' |
| 12:06.58 | Zyf_Lappy | http://rafb.net/p/lrhQjx36.html |
| 12:07.01 | abrotman | i wouldn't use sudo anyways |
| 12:07.22 | abrotman | it still sounds like your dist-upgrade isn't finish .. you should be using aptitude for that |
| 12:07.30 | Zyf_Lappy | i don;t like logging in as root user |
| 12:07.54 | kjs | why ? |
| 12:07.55 | dob1 | how can i blacklist all the sound module that the kernel load at the boot? |
| 12:08.11 | dalto | debian_user, what version of what? |
| 12:08.13 | Zyf_Lappy | cause i am not always in LAN |
| 12:08.18 | kjs | root is my user account :) |
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| 12:08.58 | Zyf_Lappy | i don;t use it as a desktop machine, it;s a server |
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| 12:09.20 | Zyf_Lappy | and i am still getting that libphp5.so error |
| 12:09.41 | kjs | abrotman: told you to complete the dist-upgrade |
| 12:09.50 | Zyf_Lappy | done, sevreal times |
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| 12:09.59 | kjs | use the root account and complete the upgrade. |
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| 12:12.24 | dalto | debian_user, thanks.. i'll try to update the BIOS |
| 12:12.58 | Zyferus | http://rafb.net/p/NKrhrY41.html <--- i just get taht, over and over |
| 12:13.10 | Zyferus | and still get the apache error |
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| 12:13.25 | Zyferus | as root user |
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| 12:15.16 | Zyferus | everyone else lost now? |
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| 12:20.25 | Zyferus | fumes quietly |
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| 12:22.46 | melvin | Hi. can i put setterm into rc.local? i tryed with "setterm -foreground green" but all tty displays white |
| 12:23.04 | valentin__ | I hav just tried to copy a home dir using lftp, but after copying the folder size is lower than the original. And some files are missing which were shwon as "prw-r--r-- 1 Valentin Valentin 0 9. Mär 2008 .kaxtv1.ts" |
| 12:24.02 | valentin__ | Hi melvin, so you want all your terminals konsoles ... to be green. |
| 12:24.20 | valentin__ | Why dont you use .bashrc in your home directory |
| 12:24.51 | melvin | valentin__: no, i want to disable blanking of login screens |
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| 12:24.55 | valentin__ | i remember, there is even a file which is sourced on creation of users |
| 12:26.18 | melvin | valentin__: profile files are executed after login |
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| 12:26.30 | melvin | so therre is no problem to disable blanking after login |
| 12:26.39 | melvin | but i prefer to disable it befor |
| 12:27.47 | valentin__ | what exactly do you mean by blanking .. can you discribe it a little more in tetail? |
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| 12:28.39 | siyb | valentin__: those are pipes |
| 12:28.56 | siyb | indicated by the p in prw-r--r-- |
| 12:29.12 | valentin__ | so i dont need them siyb? |
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| 12:29.36 | siyb | pipes are created by applications (IPC) |
| 12:29.37 | melvin | valentin__: for default, the login terminal eg. /sbin/mingetty wait for login. after 5 minutes or so the screen became black |
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| 12:29.52 | melvin | after pressing any key the login apears again |
| 12:29.56 | siyb | you need them during runtime |
| 12:29.58 | melvin | so i want to disable this |
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| 12:30.09 | valentin__ | siyb: ok thank you |
| 12:30.24 | melvin | i tryed like this: http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/docs/DOC-2493 |
| 12:30.29 | valentin__ | melvin: isnt that just the screen saver? |
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| 12:30.36 | melvin | but it doesn't seams to wokr |
| 12:30.52 | siyb | valentin__: man 7 pipe |
| 12:30.59 | melvin | valentin__: is there any screensaver on console? |
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| 12:32.16 | valentin__ | melvin: are you on a Red Hat Enterprice 3 System? |
| 12:33.08 | abrotman | Zyferus: but apache still won't start? |
| 12:33.18 | Zyferus | correct |
| 12:33.21 | Zyferus | Your apache2 configuration is broken, so we're not restarting it for you. |
| 12:33.47 | abrotman | Zyferus: ldd /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so |
| 12:33.53 | Bryan92 | 9F0607A00000000310105F34010681040000058C8A0230308E10000000000000000041031E0302031F009C01009A030810065F2A0208269F1A0208269F2608CEB080F4E333476782025C009F360200679F3704DB8B5202950500000080009F100706090A036400009F0702FFC09F2701409F34034103029F0802008C9B02F8009F3501229F3303E0B8C09F3901039F0E0500708000009F0F05F0007C98009F0D05F0007C08009F0902008C |
| 12:34.01 | Bryan92 | anybody know what encryption this is? |
| 12:34.17 | valentin__ | ^^ |
| 12:34.22 | siyb | lol |
| 12:34.38 | melvin | valentin__: no, CentOS 5 |
| 12:34.39 | Zyferus | http://rafb.net/p/SRloP636.html |
| 12:34.44 | siyb | Bryan92: there is only one thing i can say, wow |
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| 12:35.16 | tuxcrafter | hi all i am having all kind of issues with libavcodec and ffmpeg under my debian sid |
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| 12:35.19 | tuxcrafter | http://debian.pastebin.com/d58badaa3 |
| 12:35.27 | brady | what happens if my credit card company goes bankrupt? |
| 12:35.28 | tuxcrafter | does somebody know how to fix this? |
| 12:35.31 | brady | my debts are erased? |
| 12:35.48 | Zyferus | no they sell ypour debt to another |
| 12:36.14 | siyb | they still do that after the trouble caused by this procedure?! |
| 12:36.15 | siyb | n1 |
| 12:36.42 | abrotman | brady: wrong channel |
| 12:36.44 | brady | all my friends have at least $20k built up on their cc's too. |
| 12:37.12 | abrotman | Zyferus: you broke your own system by compiling your own libxml2 |
| 12:37.23 | valentin__ | brady: you watch too much Fight Club :-) |
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| 12:37.28 | abrotman | !ot |
| 12:37.28 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 12:37.35 | brady | valentin__, what do you mean? |
| 12:38.13 | valentin__ | In the blot of the film "Fight Club" they bring down all of the major creditcard institutes |
| 12:38.20 | Zyferus | didn;t compile, package install |
| 12:38.24 | brady | what i'm worried about is the fact that the government is trying to keep my cc issuer from failing. |
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| 12:38.47 | rgr | If a debian server is suddenly turning off, I think its most likely a heat thing in this case, is there any way to get a last dying gasp log from it telling me why or is it more likely to be just the HW clicking off giving the OS no time to log any disgnostics? |
| 12:38.55 | abrotman | Zyferus: someone compiled it on your system .. |
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| 12:39.18 | Zyferus | it was working till Lenny finished installing |
| 12:39.25 | Zyferus | even after multiple restarts |
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| 12:39.38 | abrotman | ok . fine argue withme |
| 12:39.51 | Zyferus | i am not trying to argue, i am trying to get ti fixed |
| 12:39.51 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.56 | abrotman | someone compiled it |
| 12:40.08 | Zyferus | ok, how to i fix it? |
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| 12:40.30 | abrotman | remove that? |
| 12:40.40 | Zyferus | just rm the .2 file? |
| 12:40.57 | abrotman | what else is in /usr/local/lib/ ? |
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| 12:41.44 | Zyferus | http://rafb.net/p/juWuuG20.html |
| 12:42.00 | abrotman | looks like someone compiled php too |
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| 12:42.42 | Zyferus | i did at one point use aptitiude to go from php4 to php5 |
| 12:42.51 | Zyferus | and apache 1 to apache 3 |
| 12:42.53 | Zyferus | er 2 |
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| 12:43.06 | melvin | valentin__: did you stop conversation because of the distribution? |
| 12:43.21 | abrotman | aptitude doesn't put stuff in /usr/local/lib |
| 12:43.32 | abrotman | unless you're using third party packages maybe |
| 12:43.39 | Zyferus | at this point, i now care less about why it;s broke as i do about fixing it |
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| 12:43.53 | valentin__ | melvin: no i oversaw your ansver CentOS |
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| 12:44.41 | Zyferus | i just want my apache2 + php5 running |
| 12:44.46 | melvin | i didn't find any rc.local in debian. no idea what the right place is |
| 12:44.59 | abrotman | you're going to have to mv all that junk in /usr/local/lib/ to a temporary place .. then see what it breaks |
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| 12:45.11 | Zyferus | i have been fighting this for several hours |
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| 12:45.32 | valentin__ | melvin: /etc/rc.local .. there it is |
| 12:45.38 | abrotman | melvin: which version of debian ? |
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| 12:45.51 | melvin | maybe the option -foreground dosn't work in rc.local and -blank work. how can i find out wich options i can use? |
| 12:45.57 | valentin__ | abrotman: melvin is on CentOS |
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| 12:46.16 | valentin__ | melvin: you can try |
| 12:46.18 | abrotman | melvin: go ask #centos, you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 12:46.25 | abrotman | melvin: or ##linux |
| 12:46.50 | Zyferus | ok, it;s moved |
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| 12:48.50 | abrotman | Zyferus: and apache now? |
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| 12:51.08 | Zyferus | it runs... but i gotta find on what port... cause it;s not on eith of the ones i was using |
| 12:51.30 | Zyferus | or what is the main dir |
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| 12:53.14 | Mr_Vile | :| |
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| 12:53.46 | Mr_Vile | my X server just died a horrible death |
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| 12:54.06 | bolt-wor1 | I got a report from smartmon about 10 bad sectors on one drive and 5 on another, out of 4 drives in a raid 5 array. Does this mean I need new disks, or is it just the harddrive's internal thingy which can automatically map stuff to spare sectors? |
| 12:54.10 | Mr_Vile | "Fatal server error: lockup" |
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| 12:55.05 | siyb | bolt-work: in my experience bad sectors are a sign for dying harddrives, I personnaly would create backups on a regular basis and wait for the drives to fail :) |
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| 12:55.26 | leOn | guys .. i just dist-upgraded a sarge -> etch -> lenny and i'm getting weird readings from mount .. should /etc/mtab, in lenny, be a symblink or a regular file that's updated |
| 12:55.48 | leOn | symblink to /proc/mounts, that is |
| 12:56.02 | melvin | talking about fightclub seams to be closer to the topic then setterm, hu? |
| 12:56.32 | melvin | yeah i know, ban i su much fun, isn't it |
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| 12:56.38 | bolt-work | siyb: i only have backups of the most essential stuff on those drives. i keep them in raid 5 to avoid having to create backups of everything. guess i should just go out and get 2 new ones and switch them out, then? |
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| 12:56.50 | melvin | whats not topic on debian version 3.1 ? |
| 12:56.59 | siyb | bolt-work: raid is not a way out of backing up data |
| 12:56.59 | siyb | ! |
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| 12:57.43 | siyb | backups also protect against pebkac, raid doesn't |
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| 12:58.06 | bolt-work | siyb: this is my private server. ignore my nick for now. i'm on vpn :) |
| 12:58.20 | rjd_ | Im scripting installations of some debian packages that (when installed via apt-get) require interaction, like postfix. How can I solve this? Tried the --quiet but doesnt help. Perhaps download the .deb and use dpkg instead? |
| 12:58.51 | siyb | bolt-work: well i got 2 raid 5 arrays with nearly 3tb capacity in my homeserver but i still create backups because i don't trust myself |
| 12:58.55 | bolt-work | siyb: i have backups of the things i would hate to lose, but i don't want to pay for backups of everything. if i delete my movie collection, i'll have to rip them all again. hours of work, but not worth a backup, i think |
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| 12:59.00 | siyb | kk |
| 12:59.58 | bolt-work | siyb: besides, i'm usually really careful with those things. i still got all the documents from my amiga 500 :) |
| 13:00.13 | bolt-work | though those are indeed backed up, i've never needed the backup |
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| 13:00.21 | bolt-work | anyway. 2 new drives it is |
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| 13:00.34 | fr33d0m | hey guys |
| 13:00.51 | fr33d0m | i just installed phpsysinfo and for the hostname its reading localhost how do i change it? |
| 13:01.06 | siyb | bolt-work: well as I said before, there is a chance that the two drives will fail, if you are unlucky one drive fails and when rebuilding the raid, the other one fails as well |
| 13:01.12 | siyb | i wouldn't risk it |
| 13:01.22 | rjd_ | siyb: try raid10 instead then ;) |
| 13:01.37 | rjd_ | or perhaps 50 |
| 13:01.46 | siyb | rjd_: do i look like someone that is printing his own money :( |
| 13:01.49 | bolt-work | i'll trust that not to happen. otherwise, i'll have a week of ripping dvd's |
| 13:01.49 | fr33d0m | hostname and hosts says different things so im out of ideas |
| 13:02.04 | rjd_ | hehe siyb, you could raid50 those raid 5 of yours |
| 13:02.14 | valdyn | fr33d0m: doing a reverse lookup on the ip address |
| 13:02.17 | rjd_ | Might not be 50, but mirror them |
| 13:02.21 | bolt-work | goes shopping for harddrives |
| 13:02.46 | siyb | better do that, otherwise you may regret it (as I did one time) |
| 13:03.13 | siyb | bolt-work: do you still have warrenty? |
| 13:03.31 | rjd_ | I built a poor mans nas here with 8 500G sata2 disks, 256M LSI controller card. Running raid 5 (7 disks + 1 hot spare) allows me to write in 480M/s (dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile) |
| 13:03.44 | bolt-work | siyb: think i might. but i can't ship back two of four drives without getting new ones first anyway |
| 13:03.59 | siyb | rjd_: well as I said, I create backups of those two raids on a regular basis, but I am not able to span a raid1 over them because they have different sizes |
| 13:04.17 | siyb | bolt-work: manufacturer? |
| 13:04.18 | valdyn | siyb: you can span a raid10 over them |
| 13:04.24 | rjd_ | I see, I wish I saved all stuff over the years too |
| 13:04.51 | bolt-work | siyb: got something better. norway :) |
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| 13:04.59 | bolt-work | siyb: 3 year warranty on those by law afaik |
| 13:05.05 | siyb | valdyn: so that only leaves me with the money issue :) |
| 13:05.11 | valdyn | siyb: sure |
| 13:05.27 | rjd_ | anyone know how to not have to answer dialogues during apt-get installs/upgrades? |
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| 13:05.39 | valdyn | rjd_: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 13:05.48 | siyb | bolt-work: i am just curious, seagate, wd? |
| 13:05.51 | siyb | samsung? |
| 13:05.55 | bolt-work | siyb: checking |
| 13:06.01 | rjd_ | valdyn: and that changes a config file right? |
| 13:06.08 | siyb | i have had very bad luck with western digital |
| 13:06.11 | rjd_ | Wouldnt like to logon to 50 servers and run debconf manually |
| 13:06.11 | valdyn | rjd_: yes |
| 13:06.39 | rjd_ | /etc/debconf I suppose |
| 13:06.52 | valdyn | rjd_: its also not makeing package installs completely noninteractive |
| 13:07.02 | Zyferus | abrotman, after a bit of testing it all seems well again. I thank you for your assistance, and mostly your patience. |
| 13:07.07 | anon | hi, how do i put my atheros wifi card to work? |
| 13:07.09 | rjd_ | valdyn: how do you mean? |
| 13:07.23 | valdyn | rjd_: but you should be running stable anyway and stable update packages shouldnt prompt you |
| 13:07.40 | abrotman | anon: is it madwifi or ath5k ? |
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| 13:07.52 | anon | abrotman: how do i know that? |
| 13:08.01 | abrotman | look on the driver website |
| 13:08.05 | valdyn | rjd_: theres debconf dialogues and there's the thing with new config files where you get prompted too |
| 13:08.10 | abrotman | or show us the lspci -nn for the device |
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| 13:08.15 | ArtVandalae | Hi all, has anyone had user permission problems (due to uids being changed) after moving hard drives between systems? I need to know how to fix the problem. |
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| 13:08.36 | fr33d0m | i fixed my issue thanks |
| 13:08.42 | valdyn | rjd_: so why exactly are you being prompted? fresh install? not running stable? |
| 13:08.50 | rjd_ | valdyn: I see, and it's the new config files that can't be noninteractive? |
| 13:08.58 | rjd_ | valdyn: postfix prompts me |
| 13:09.09 | valdyn | rjd_: they are not managed by debconf |
| 13:09.18 | rjd_ | ah |
| 13:09.19 | anon | abrotman: which is the website. lspci tells me that it is Atheros Communications version a02 |
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| 13:09.20 | abrotman | Zyferus: have a good deay! |
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| 13:09.25 | rjd_ | of course |
| 13:09.28 | abrotman | anon: lspci -nn would give a deviceID |
| 13:09.36 | valdyn | rjd_: packages with configuration have two things that can prompt you |
| 13:10.03 | mnabil | guys, how can i download (only) package and their dependency in a certain directory using apt ? |
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| 13:10.08 | valdyn | rjd_: the first is debconf offering you ways to do configuration, the second is a package shipping a new default config file |
| 13:10.20 | anon | abrotman: but i tried madwifi and it didn't work. how do i install the other one. |
| 13:10.36 | abrotman | anon: /msg dpkg ath5k |
| 13:10.46 | abrotman | not much you should have to do though |
| 13:10.50 | abrotman | anon: you're on lenny right? |
| 13:10.53 | anon | yes |
| 13:11.04 | rjd_ | I see valdyn. So let's ignore postfix. When there's new config files, I can either assume yes or no to all question to make it non-interactive? |
| 13:11.06 | valdyn | rjd_: new default config cannot happen within stable normally |
| 13:11.24 | rjd_ | rly? I think i've seen it, but I might be wrong |
| 13:11.26 | valdyn | rjd_: debconf dialogues however show up whenever a package gets newly installed |
| 13:12.06 | valdyn | rjd_: you can set debconf to non-interactive, which would leave postfix unconfigured i guess |
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| 13:14.33 | rjd_ | valdyn: great, no more dialogues now when I changed to noninteractive. Prior to that, I copied the debconf.conf, made a reconfigure and ran apt-get again, but a diff shows no difference between the old debconf and the new |
| 13:14.47 | rjd_ | You happen to know in what file the noninteraction mode is set? |
| 13:14.52 | valdyn | rjd_: its not set up in debconf.conf |
| 13:15.06 | rjd_ | so I noticed :-) |
| 13:15.08 | bolt-work | siyb: samsung spinpoint t166 500gb |
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| 13:15.20 | valdyn | rjd_: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
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| 13:15.39 | valdyn | rjd_: or maybe better done via environment variable |
| 13:15.42 | rjd_ | Thanks! |
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| 13:16.16 | honschu | Hi, I accidently deleted /etc/init.d/nfs-common, it doesn't work to get it back by reinstalling nfs-common package. |
| 13:16.31 | bolt-work | siyb: 2 years, 1 month old |
| 13:16.34 | valdyn | rjd_: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
| 13:16.47 | fr33d0m | bolt-work: talking about a kid? |
| 13:16.49 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 13:16.49 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 13:16.51 | valdyn | honschu: ^^ |
| 13:17.17 | honschu | thx |
| 13:17.34 | bolt-work | fr33d0m: harddrives |
| 13:17.38 | fr33d0m | oh lol |
| 13:17.43 | fr33d0m | my bad lol |
| 13:17.44 | rjd_ | valdyn: Thanks alot for the help valdyn. I think I'm better of controlling debconf via the debconf.dat file, which I can keep in subversion on my cfengine master |
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| 13:18.22 | rjd_ | config.dat I mean |
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| 13:19.23 | valdyn | rjd_: theres also a dpkg:: switch for the "new default config" thing |
| 13:20.03 | rjd_ | How do you mean? |
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| 13:20.45 | valdyn | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" ( see dpkg manpage ) |
| 13:21.05 | rjd_ | Ah, so many ways to do the same thing. Got to love it :) |
| 13:21.08 | honschu | 'LANG=C svn diff' keeps reporting still in german. why? |
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| 13:22.53 | valdyn | honschu: LC_ALL=C |
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| 13:23.49 | honschu | valdyn: thank you very mutch |
| 13:24.06 | valdyn | honschu: type locale, shows you a few LC variables, each only getting a fraction of everything, LC_ALL sets them all |
| 13:24.07 | honschu | valdyn: How to set these variables in debian? |
| 13:24.24 | valdyn | !locales |
| 13:24.24 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 13:24.43 | honschu | cool! |
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| 13:28.41 | bolt-work | Can someone interpret this for me? "Device: /dev/sda, Failed SMART usage Attribute: 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel." |
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| 13:37.01 | c0d3-r3d | i messed up my phpsysinfo :( |
| 13:37.35 | abrotman | messed up? |
| 13:37.58 | c0d3-r3d | went to change template to mobile and it came back all errors |
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| 13:42.13 | paxcoder | can someone please input quaint into the gnome dictionary for me? |
| 13:42.20 | paxcoder | and see if there's any results? |
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| 13:44.42 | paxcoder | anyone plz? |
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| 13:50.01 | node_ | paxcoder: dict.org is the default gnome dictionnary, you can go there and input your word (yes, there are some results) |
| 13:50.45 | paxcoder | node_: can you look it up in a gnome-dictionary application? |
| 13:51.14 | node_ | no, i get a timeout (you do to? so it isn't just me :P ) |
| 13:51.36 | paxcoder | node_: i get error/no definition. however |
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| 13:52.03 | paxcoder | if i input it wrong (eg replace "a" with "e"), you'll get, in a suggestion box, word the correct word "Quaint" |
| 13:52.42 | paxcoder | and you click it, you get good results. same applies to everything else. |
| 13:53.07 | arezey | how can you disable a laptop's touchpad? |
| 13:53.08 | node_ | hum I don't, I clearly get a Connection Error, Unable to reach dict.org |
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| 13:53.53 | paxcoder | node_: no idea. semi-works for me. |
| 13:54.11 | arezey | dict.org works for me |
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| 13:54.34 | node_ | arezey: yeah, the website works for me too, but not from gnome-dictionnary |
| 13:55.02 | node_ | but that's not really a problem for me, I use StarDict... It was a request from paxcoder |
| 13:55.34 | arezey | works from gnome-dictionary for me too |
| 13:55.53 | paxcoder | arezey: try inputting "quaint" |
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| 13:56.10 | arezey | works |
| 13:56.14 | node_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.26 | arezey | maybe |
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| 13:56.33 | paxcoder | strange. |
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| 13:57.09 | matt7676 | what are varrun and varlock? |
| 13:57.09 | paxcoder | it's not working for me for a while now. (only via faux input + suggestions) |
| 13:57.59 | abrotman | matt7676: you mean /var/run/ and /var/lock/ ? |
| 13:58.29 | paxcoder | arezey: what version is your dictionary app? |
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| 13:58.34 | matt7676 | abrotman: yes |
| 13:58.37 | paxcoder | no, node_ |
| 13:58.57 | arezey | paxcoder, 2.20.0.1 |
| 13:59.01 | node_ | paxcoder: 2.20.0.1 |
| 13:59.05 | arezey | heh |
| 13:59.09 | node_ | lol |
| 13:59.11 | paxcoder | mine too :-/ |
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| 14:02.21 | paxcoder | bbl |
| 14:03.06 | dob1 | how can i blacklist all the sound module that the kernel load at the boot? |
| 14:03.24 | dob1 | instead of recompiling it |
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| 14:03.34 | cahoot_ | dob1: try /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 14:04.30 | cahoot_ | dob1: and don't forget the reference to initramfs |
| 14:05.28 | dob1 | cahoot_: i don't use initrd, but i have several sound module, i need only to blacklist soundcore ? |
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| 14:06.18 | cahoot_ | dob1: did you make alsa modular? |
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| 14:07.02 | bolt-work | Every time I boot my mac mini, I get a message saying this: "Device: /dev/sda, Failed SMART usage Attribute: 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel." The harddrive is fine, and no other problems have been reported. The case being small and compact and located on top of another machine probably caused it to get hot at some point, but I don't need to be constantly reminded about that as long as the harddrive doesn't show other signs of failure. What can I do? |
| 14:07.18 | bolt-work | s/message/email/ |
| 14:08.13 | dob1 | cahoot_: i don't remember about alsa, i think only the module of the soundcard |
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| 14:09.07 | cahoot_ | dob1: well if you configurde and compiled your kernel you really should know |
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| 14:10.12 | dob1 | cahoot_: i know but on lsmod i see only the soundcart module, it is passed time :) |
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| 14:10.48 | Skaag | anyone knows of a better recovery tool than ext3grep? |
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| 14:11.45 | dob1 | cahoot_: or better, can i know how much memory these soundcard modules use? |
| 14:12.07 | cahoot_ | must be very little |
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| 14:12.35 | drwn | hello everybody |
| 14:12.59 | dob1 | cahoot_: so i can nevermind to free it? i don't use the soundcard |
| 14:13.08 | rgr | what SW features might be triggering an immediate shutdown on a debian server? I have been monitoring temperatures and they seem within range. |
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| 14:14.12 | cahoot_ | dob1: disable alsa via update-rc.d ? |
| 14:14.48 | Qualcuno | hello |
| 14:15.07 | Qualcuno | Is it possible to make a scheduled backup of all mysql tables without dumping the data every time? |
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| 14:15.23 | Qualcuno | If I use lftp to backup the mysql data/ folder, is that a good solution? |
| 14:15.34 | dob1 | cahoot_: i try |
| 14:15.38 | azeem | Qualcuno: what's the problem with dumping the data? |
| 14:15.54 | Qualcuno | azeem: I suppose that uses lot of resources... |
| 14:16.04 | Qualcuno | or am I wrong? |
| 14:16.06 | mvt | hey how do i upgrade my etch vps libxml2.2.26 to 2.6.32 (etch backports?) |
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| 14:16.24 | Qualcuno | mvt: don't upgrade. install both! |
| 14:16.41 | dob1 | rgr: never used it, but lm-sensors, sensord has alarm, maybe you can trigger it to a script that shutdown, or a cron job that monitor the temperature |
| 14:16.53 | mvt | Qualcuno: also fine by me, how should i do that? :-) (it is for libxml which warns me about a bug in my libxml2 version) |
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| 14:17.22 | Qualcuno | mvt: should be "aptitude install -t backports libxmlSOMETHING" |
| 14:17.27 | Qualcuno | though I'm not sure |
| 14:18.18 | rgr | dob1: I can already monitor the temp and I am trying to find out what is triggering a shut down, not create one myself :-; |
| 14:18.27 | azeem | Qualcuno: I'm not sure mysql promises coherent on-disk data all the time |
| 14:18.28 | dob1 | rgr: ah sorry |
| 14:18.35 | rgr | np |
| 14:18.44 | rgr | sensors are cool (excuse the pun) |
| 14:18.47 | azeem | Qualcuno: e.g. for Postgres, you should be quite careful if you just backup the file system |
| 14:18.48 | mvt | Qualcuno: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/107257/ :\ |
| 14:18.53 | Qualcuno | azeem: so dumps are the only option... |
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| 14:19.15 | azeem | Qualcuno: I suggest you ask in a mysql-centric channel |
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| 14:19.26 | azeem | it's not a Debian-related question, really |
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| 14:19.39 | Qualcuno | azeem: yes, you're right... thanks anyways |
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| 14:21.09 | Qualcuno | mvt: seems that libxml2 doesn't exist. try with libxml |
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| 14:23.11 | azeem | Qualcuno: uh, please don't give advice if you don't know exactly what you are talking about |
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| 14:23.55 | mvt | well i figured it out ;-), there is no backport of a recent libxml2 it seems, too bad |
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| 14:31.24 | enouf | azeem: uh, please don't use 'uh' in a phrase that would otherwise seem unpatronizing - i just showed how you were in error not more than a few hours ago |
| 14:31.49 | azeem | enouf: what error? |
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| 14:32.06 | enouf | azeem: the +x vs +r on /root/.local |
| 14:33.05 | azeem | the fact that you were discussing /root/.local at all implied you had no idea what the underlying problem was |
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| 14:33.14 | debian | hello |
| 14:33.17 | azeem | but yeah, I was wrong about +x vs. +r |
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| 14:34.57 | enouf | ok, owning up is 'big' to me - no worries |
| 14:35.02 | [gnubie] | hello all.. |
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| 14:35.17 | matt7676 | hello |
| 14:35.20 | linuxguy007 | if i do alias rm='mv --target-directory ~/.trash' how will i remove the ~/.trash when it gets full? The rm cmd will just try to mv it back in it |
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| 14:35.42 | jelly | \rm |
| 14:35.54 | linuxguy007 | does the \ tell it not to use alias? |
| 14:36.04 | jelly | or an explicit path, /bin/rm |
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| 14:36.38 | linuxguy007 | fank u |
| 14:36.51 | Boohbah | linuxguy007: maybe it is a better idea to use a different alias? e.g. alias trash='mv --target-directory ~/.trash' |
| 14:36.54 | valdyn | linuxguy007: theres libtrash too |
| 14:37.11 | valdyn | linuxguy007: as a solution for what you are doing with alias |
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| 14:37.40 | valdyn | linuxguy007: since rm isnt the only way to delete |
| 14:38.00 | linuxguy007 | Boohbah: yea maybe i should get used to doing trash cmd...that will keep me from doing rm on a machine that trash is not setup on |
| 14:38.08 | linuxguy007 | and it not going to trash |
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| 14:38.44 | jelly | linuxguy007: eh, you can always restore from a backup |
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| 14:39.20 | valdyn | linuxguy007: say you use mc or whatever GUI, your alias wont be used |
| 14:39.22 | linuxguy007 | yea if i work for 10 hours and my backup is nightly i lose all that work...unless i do hourly rsnapshots... |
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| 14:39.28 | valdyn | linuxguy007: or mv |
| 14:39.48 | linuxguy007 | valdyn: yea i use screen everynow and then, but if i get used to trash cmd then it will say its not available and i will know. |
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| 14:42.10 | jelly | judd: info sl |
| 14:42.11 | judd | jelly: sl (games): is optional; Version: 3.03-15; Size: 24.5k; Installed: 124k -- Correct you if you type `sl' by mistake |
| 14:42.31 | [gnubie] | in exim4, you can make use of it as the smarthost to gmail's smtp service without creating own certificate and others. this is more simpler. |
| 14:42.51 | [gnubie] | now with postfix, you are required to create own certificate.. why is that so? |
| 14:42.55 | [gnubie] | anyone? |
| 14:42.56 | ness | Hi, is it possible to install pidgin version 2.5.5 (from unstable) in testing? |
| 14:43.04 | valdyn | [gnubie]: certificate? |
| 14:43.14 | valdyn | [gnubie]: you are not required to use certificates |
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| 14:43.55 | valdyn | [gnubie]: but you probably should, nothing wrong with offering or using encryption |
| 14:44.38 | valdyn | ness: try? |
| 14:44.58 | [gnubie] | valdyn: please take a look on this => http://behindmyscreen.newsvine.com/_news/2006/12/31/501615-configuringubuntu-postfix-and-gmail-in-101-easy-steps?threadId=64745&commentId=4512408#c4512408 |
| 14:45.08 | [gnubie] | and this http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html |
| 14:45.10 | ness | valdyn: I mean, how can I "force" it to install the required packages? |
| 14:45.18 | valdyn | ness: i did it, but i do backporting like subconsciously, so i dont know what i did |
| 14:45.53 | valdyn | ness: if you have a sid line in /etc/apt/sources.list, it will grab whatever needed automagically |
| 14:46.11 | [gnubie] | i just want to use postfix as the smarthost send all the mails it received from the localhost to gmail's smtp service.. no pop3 or imap |
| 14:46.11 | valdyn | ness: just pulease remove that sid line after you got what you wanted |
| 14:46.37 | valdyn | [gnubie]: gmail is not going to play smarthost for random mail |
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| 14:46.47 | valdyn | [gnubie]: only for your gmail account |
| 14:46.58 | [gnubie] | valdyn: yes |
| 14:47.19 | valdyn | [gnubie]: how are you fetching mail? |
| 14:47.27 | [gnubie] | valdyn: now, i want to do it on postfix but how? :( |
| 14:47.28 | [gnubie] | valdyn: no fetch.. just send |
| 14:47.43 | valdyn | [gnubie]: all the mails it received from the localhost to gmail's smtp service |
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| 14:47.59 | valdyn | [gnubie]: you want to forward mail you just got from gmail to gmail ? |
| 14:48.20 | valdyn | [gnubie]: that implies at least having 2 gmail accounts or this will be a funny mail circle |
| 14:48.36 | valdyn | [gnubie]: i dont know what you want. |
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| 14:48.47 | [gnubie] | valdyn: i just want to send mails generated locally to my gmail account.. well to be exact, my google apps account |
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| 14:49.14 | valdyn | [gnubie]: ALL mail generated locally ? |
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| 14:49.20 | valdyn | [gnubie]: root mail just like user mail ? |
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| 14:49.22 | [gnubie] | valdyn: yes |
| 14:49.36 | [gnubie] | valdyn: normally from /var/spool/mail |
| 14:49.45 | valdyn | [gnubie]: i would combine alias with .forward |
| 14:50.04 | valdyn | [gnubie]: that means you forward all user / root / whatever mail to one single local user |
| 14:50.18 | valdyn | [gnubie]: that part is done in /etc/aliases ( i think, i use exim4 ) |
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| 14:50.40 | [gnubie] | valdyn: can you point me to a link where i can read more about this? i am not a mail administrator. i just want to setup this on my home server |
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| 14:51.09 | valdyn | [gnubie]: editing /etc/alias is very easy ( a line like root: username forwards all root mail to username |
| 14:51.12 | [gnubie] | valdyn: in exim4, it's pretty easy |
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| 14:51.35 | [gnubie] | valdyn: with the help of "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
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| 14:52.56 | valdyn | [gnubie]: read /etc/aliases, should be pretty self explanatory, ill get a link for .forward files |
| 14:53.03 | jpinx | how do I add a label to a partition? mkfs doesn't seem to have the option. |
| 14:53.17 | [gnubie] | valdyn: ok, thanks.. |
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| 14:54.09 | jazzcat | hi all. I upgraded recently my debian and I found myself with some codes using highgui library that used to run correctly and now they don't... I wonder if anyone other has had some kind of problems like that |
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| 14:56.48 | valdyn | http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/UserInfo/Resources/Hardware/IBMp690/IBM/usr/share/man/info/en_US/a_doc_lib/files/aixfiles/forward.htm |
| 14:56.58 | valdyn | [gnubie]: thats aix, not linux, but doesnt make a difference |
| 14:57.49 | valdyn | [gnubie]: aliases does not work for remote destinations, thats why 2 steps with that .forward file |
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| 14:57.58 | valdyn | [gnubie]: and in order not to have various .forward files |
| 14:59.02 | [gnubie] | ok, noted. thanks valdyn |
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| 15:02.12 | valdyn | jpinx: filesystems have labels. not partitions |
| 15:02.31 | valdyn | jpinx: so labeling tool is different depending on the filesystem used, and might not exist for all filesystems |
| 15:02.41 | jpinx | valdyn: which is why I looked in mkfs for ext3 |
| 15:02.48 | valdyn | jpinx: you probably use ext2/3, thats e2fslabel i think |
| 15:03.01 | valdyn | jpinx: e2label even |
| 15:03.12 | jpinx | valdyn: thanks:) |
| 15:04.27 | jpinx | heh - also in tune2fs |
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| 15:05.30 | Wesley | hello! could anyone explain me the mount options 'rsize' and 'wsize' ? |
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| 15:07.39 | jpinx | valdyn: fwiw - e2label does not appear to exist for lenny, but tune2fs worked fine |
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| 15:08.48 | TG_ | how can i create a .txt file from the console and write stuff inside it and edit it later? |
| 15:09.25 | petemc | editor foo.txt |
| 15:09.38 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.41 | jpinx | TG_: :~$echo "some text" > file.txt |
| 15:09.47 | ecadre | touch |
| 15:10.38 | TG_ | it says -bash this command not found but it actually created a .txt file how comes? |
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| 15:13.16 | TG_ | plus when i can that .txt file, it shows nothing inside it though i wrote stuff inside it |
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| 15:15.46 | homecable | i have 2 harddrives |
| 15:16.01 | homecable | what do i put for /home on drive 2 |
| 15:16.05 | homecable | prim or logic |
| 15:16.21 | peterrooney | TG_: what does `which touch` say? also, try #bash for they are -very- knowledgeable there about shell issues in general. |
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| 15:16.58 | peterrooney | homecable: doesn't matter much; how many partitions does d2 have? |
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| 15:17.17 | peterrooney | homecable: and how many do you -want-' drrive 2 to have? |
| 15:17.29 | homecable | just /home |
| 15:17.37 | homecable | drive one has just / and swap |
| 15:17.46 | homecable | drive 2 /home |
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| 15:18.15 | peterrooney | well then you only need a primary partition. |
| 15:18.22 | homecable | ok |
| 15:18.24 | tabris | short answer, the only partitions that _must_ be primary [not strictly true, but true enough] is root & boot (they don't really _have to be_ but it makes fixing your boot loaders a lot easier) |
| 15:18.49 | tabris | but you can have 4 primary partitions, or 3 primary & 1 extended. that 1 extended allows... well, a lot of logicals |
| 15:19.10 | stew | root and boot don't have to be primary |
| 15:19.28 | tabris | yes, they don't _have to be_ but it makes it hella easier when setting up bootloaders. |
| 15:19.40 | stew | how? |
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| 15:19.47 | tabris | esp if your bootloader gets fscked and yuou have to figure out which one is / |
| 15:19.51 | homecable | prim / logic swap prim /home |
| 15:19.52 | stew | and if they don't have to be, why do you say _must_ |
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| 15:20.21 | stew | tabris: why is a primary paritition easier to figure out? |
| 15:20.33 | tabris | b/c you know what numbers it will be. |
| 15:20.43 | tabris | plus for if you're multibooting. |
| 15:20.53 | stew | becuase 1,2,3 is easier to figure out than 5,6,7 ? |
| 15:21.05 | tabris | b/c it might be 1,2,5,6,7,8 |
| 15:21.32 | stew | why is it easier to see if 1 is your / than it is to see if 5 is your / ? |
| 15:21.44 | tabris | if all you have is your grub prompt. |
| 15:21.52 | stew | right |
| 15:22.24 | stew | is (hd0,0)/<tab><tab> harder than (hd0,4)/<tab><tab> ? |
| 15:22.32 | tabris | that assumes you memorized. |
| 15:22.38 | stew | no |
| 15:22.49 | tabris | so it isn't strictly that hd(0,4) is harder, but that it's always the last place you looked. |
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| 15:23.01 | tabris | so you want the last place to be sooner |
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| 15:23.04 | jogla | Hello |
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| 15:23.13 | jogla | Anyone else experiencing prbolems with pidgin? |
| 15:23.17 | stew | these are not very compelling reasons |
| 15:23.17 | Chairos | why was apt changed to install recommended packages as if they were dependencies? |
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| 15:24.11 | flourish_ | hello, is there a package called udns in debian repository? |
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| 15:24.46 | tabris | stew: well, you can either have your boot & root _always_ 1 & 2 (or 1&3), or you can place them willy-nilly about your hard-drive and when the system crashes next year spend half an hour figuring out which partition is your linux root, and which is your windows, and which one is reactos. |
| 15:25.02 | Samuel-NotAFK | WTF Debian keeps incorrectly settings the time. |
| 15:25.25 | stew | tabris: seriously. it would take less thatn 1 minute, not 30 |
| 15:25.29 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: check your timezone data is up to date, and that it is also set correctly (we did just daylight savings transition in a lot of places) |
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| 15:26.52 | tabris | stew: yes, please. make assumptions that everyone will a) know precisely what to do next b) will do so quickly and efficiently. c) that combinatorial figures never come into play. is it 6 and 3? is it 2 & 7? |
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| 15:27.33 | tabris | it's just generally easier to have boot hd(0,0) and root hd(0,1) and windows hd(0,2). then the rest don't matter anymore. |
| 15:27.55 | stew | tabris: you are just arbitrarily making things up now |
| 15:27.59 | tabris | I could build my house from the gables first too. |
| 15:27.59 | v4nelle | guys is better to upgrade to sid from stable or from testing? |
| 15:28.22 | Samuel-NotAFK | tabris: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata is done |
| 15:28.51 | Samuel-NotAFK | tabris: The correct UK time is ~30 minutes earlier than Debian set my time./ |
| 15:28.53 | abrotman | v4nelle: if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
| 15:29.02 | Samuel-NotAFK | tabris: Daylight savings doesn't occur in the UK yet. |
| 15:29.09 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: cat /etc/timezone |
| 15:29.30 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: and then check your /etc/ntp.conf |
| 15:29.40 | cahoot_ | Samuel-NotAFK: does hwclock and date differ? |
| 15:29.48 | Samuel-NotAFK | tabris: Europe/London |
| 15:30.13 | Samuel-NotAFK | cahoot_: I think maybe. |
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| 15:30.36 | Samuel-NotAFK | cahoot_: I remember the Debian-EeePC documentation suggestion removing it or something during boot up. |
| 15:31.15 | c0d3-r3d | how do u stop mysqld when u issued cd /usr ; /usr/bin/mysqld_safe & |
| 15:31.25 | tabris | stew: not so much making it up as pulling out anecdotes. yes, the plural of anecdotes isn't data, and not all anecdotes apply to everyone. but this is just experience. |
| 15:31.46 | Samuel-NotAFK | tabris: cahoot_L: This issue only started to occur after upgrading tzdata from Lenny to Squeeze. |
| 15:31.57 | cahoot_ | Samuel-NotAFK: I'd try set correct time with date -s then hwclock --systohc |
| 15:32.47 | Samuel-NotAFK | date: unrecognized option `--systohc' |
| 15:33.01 | jelly | heh |
| 15:33.13 | Samuel-NotAFK | oh wait |
| 15:33.14 | avu | Samuel-NotAFK, read again what cahoot_ wrote :) |
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| 15:33.16 | Samuel-NotAFK | Silly me. |
| 15:33.35 | Samuel-NotAFK | date: option requires an argument -- s |
| 15:33.46 | homecable | any auto kernel scripts that put fine and remove non system stuff |
| 15:34.04 | homecable | find ur hardware an |
| 15:34.49 | tabris | I also have someone who likes to tell me that /boot isn't necessary anymore. and he's largely right. But there are enough cases where it's still useful (broken bootloaders that don't like XFS, for example. also consider hybrid partition tables, MSDOS & GPT) |
| 15:35.11 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: make your life simpler: ntpdate 0.uk.pool.ntp.org 1.uk.pool.ntp.org |
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| 15:35.21 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: that way you don't have to specify the date yourself. |
| 15:35.21 | amgarching | here http://paste.ubuntu.com/129355/ I dumped the unvironment in which /sbin/dhclient-script is running, I cannot find $new_host_name there. What could be the reason. There is a request for host-name in /etc/dhclient.conf. |
| 15:35.21 | Samuel-NotAFK | tabris: Thanks. |
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| 15:35.32 | Samuel-NotAFK | tabris: Cheers! |
| 15:35.57 | amgarching | *environment |
| 15:36.08 | Samuel-NotAFK | tabris: 10 Mar 16:06:24 ntpdate[9609]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting |
| 15:36.21 | valdyn | jpinx: it exists fine in e2fsprogs |
| 15:36.25 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: /etc/init.d/ntp stop; ntpdate 0.uk.pool.ntp.org 1.uk.pool.ntp.org; /etc/init.d/ntp start |
| 15:37.16 | valdyn | ./boot will soon be even more needed when ext4 is common |
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| 15:37.42 | tabris | valdyn: at least until GRUB2 works. |
| 15:37.49 | valdyn | tabris: at least |
| 15:37.49 | tabris | and of course gets ext4 support |
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| 15:38.03 | Samuel-NotAFK | tabris: Done, now what? |
| 15:38.24 | valdyn | Samuel-NotAFK: ntp and ntpdate both use the ntp socket |
| 15:38.28 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: now a) check that your date is correct b) if so, edit /etc/ntp.conf to have a few valid ntp servers |
| 15:38.40 | tabris | valdyn: yeah, i think we got past that point. |
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| 15:38.49 | Samuel-NotAFK | tabris: YAY ITS NOW CORRECT |
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| 15:40.19 | Samuel-NotAFK | tabris: http://pastebin.com/m7c8b9adf Is that al right? |
| 15:41.08 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: should be ok, albeit i'd s/debian.pool/uk.pool/ just to be more local |
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| 15:41.46 | Samuel-NotAFK | tabris: On each one? |
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| 15:42.17 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: taht would be optimal. |
| 15:42.35 | Samuel-NotAFK | tabris: Okay done. Will my time stop skipping to the future now? |
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| 15:42.46 | Samuel-NotAFK | It's done this twice now. |
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| 15:44.12 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: can't guarantee it 100%, esp if your clock chip is really far off. but there are other things that can be done if ntpd can't keep up (like stop using ntpd and instead put ntpdate in your crontab to run hourly |
| 15:44.24 | cahoot_ | Samuel-NotAFK: what does hwclock --show say? |
| 15:44.25 | peterrooney | homecable: it's a work in progress to automate that; for now, I use lsmod, to see what actually gets loaded. |
| 15:44.56 | Samuel-NotAFK | Tue 10 Mar 2009 16:14:40 GMT -0.209495 seconds |
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| 15:44.59 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: fwiw, ntpd is a _good_ thing 90% of the time, except for really broken hardware that it can't compensate for. |
| 15:45.14 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: did you run hwclock --systohc ? |
| 15:45.22 | Samuel-NotAFK | is watching Tayor Swift - Love Story |
| 15:45.30 | Samuel-NotAFK | tabris: No. |
| 15:45.34 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: plz do. |
| 15:45.45 | Samuel-NotAFK | done |
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| 15:45.55 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: ok, try the --show again |
| 15:46.12 | Samuel-NotAFK | Tue 10 Mar 2009 15:45:47 GMT -0.001220 seconds |
| 15:46.20 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: i'm going to simply assume that is crrect. |
| 15:47.02 | tabris | (albeit it looks ~5-15 seconds off.) |
| 15:47.41 | cahoot_ | timing via irc? |
| 15:47.55 | tabris | cahoot_: guessing by constraint. |
| 15:48.03 | jelly | wait until they get into a phase-locked loop |
| 15:48.32 | tabris | cahoot_: a) i checked my clock, it's under 1 second variance. b) i told him to do teh --show at 16:45:55, he pasted to me at 16:46:12 |
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| 15:48.54 | tabris | cahoot_: since he pasted a time 8 seconds before i even told him to do the paste, it looks off. but i doubt it matters. |
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| 15:51.12 | jelly | /exec -o date |
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| 15:51.29 | jelly | (or whatever the command) |
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| 15:51.43 | tabris | well, if he had a regular client, maybe /ctcp Samuel-NotAFK TIME |
| 15:51.46 | tabris | but it didn't work either. |
| 15:51.47 | tabris | so... |
| 15:52.03 | Samuel-NotAFK | The IRC server's local time is: |
| 15:52.03 | Samuel-NotAFK | Tuesday March 10 2009 -- 15:51:56 +00:00 |
| 15:52.13 | Zaid | hi everyone |
| 15:52.18 | Samuel-NotAFK | Zaid: Hi. |
| 15:52.19 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: that's the IRC server's |
| 15:52.24 | cahoot_ | Samuel-NotAFK: i e *was* |
| 15:52.31 | tabris | Samuel-NotAFK: and it is UTC, you're not on UTC |
| 15:52.48 | Zaid | is there a way to make sagem f@st 800 to work in debian |
| 15:52.53 | jelly | tabris: GMT is currently pretty much the same as UTC, though |
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| 15:53.29 | ewet | hi, is there anybody else who sees this page (http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?porcel01.wav=porcelain) just directing to a plugin-download which will in the end lead to a "unknown plugin (audio/x-wav)" error? |
| 15:53.40 | ewet | for me it's the only page... :-/ |
| 15:53.42 | tabris | jelly: oops, i memorized the hour from the wrong paste |
| 15:53.56 | tabris | jelly: you're right, he is on GMT. I weas thinking that one of his pastes had said 16:xx |
| 15:54.01 | Zaid | please :) |
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| 15:54.06 | ewet | is there anything I can do with update-alternatives to configure firefox plugins? |
| 15:54.46 | bolt-wor1 | Every time I boot my mac mini, I get an email saying this: "Device: /dev/sda, Failed SMART usage Attribute: 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel." The harddrive is fine, and no other problems have been reported. The case being small and compact and located on top of another machine probably caused it to get hot at some point, but I don't need to be constantly reminded about that as long as the harddrive doesn't show other signs of failure. What can I do? |
| 15:55.09 | ewet | sadly mozplugger did not change x-wav settings :-( |
| 15:55.12 | tabris | anyhow, time for me to go to work |
| 15:55.13 | cahoot_ | bolt-wor1: stop smartd from mailing |
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| 15:56.05 | jelly | one would have thought the point was to clear that particular SMART message, but let other errors still be announced? |
| 15:56.48 | cahoot_ | can smart be so smart? |
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| 15:57.14 | bolt-wor1 | jelly: that's what i'm trying to figure out how to do |
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| 15:57.30 | valdyn | bolt-wor1: why dont you just filter that mail on your mail client? |
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| 15:58.36 | bolt-wor1 | valdyn: because i want to reset it and have it email me if the drive gets equally hot once more. the temperature sensor is presumably still alive. also, i am still not quite sure the message means what i think it does |
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| 15:59.31 | dmathieu | hi |
| 15:59.39 | valdyn | bolt-wor1: equally hot once more would only be noticeable by you or smart if its a different error message, which means its a different mail |
| 15:59.49 | valdyn | bolt-wor1: obviously you would not filter a different mail |
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| 16:00.18 | bolt-wor1 | valdyn: why would it be a different mail? it doesn't list a maximum temperature, it just says the above |
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| 16:00.43 | valdyn | bolt-wor1: in that case you would not nice if its the same old issue or a new one, and smart would not notice either |
| 16:00.47 | bolt-wor1 | valdyn: also, it pops up in the syslog at boot |
| 16:00.54 | valdyn | bolt-wor1: in that case you would not *notice* if its the same old issue or a new one, and smart would not notice either |
| 16:01.20 | dmathieu | I'm trying to install gitosis on my debian server. So I've installed python-setuptools with apt-get. It doesn't give me any error. |
| 16:01.20 | dmathieu | However when I try to launch the setup.rb of gitosis, is tells me that python-setuptools can't be found. |
| 16:01.20 | dmathieu | Does anyone have any idea of what the problem might be please ? |
| 16:01.32 | tuxcrafter | hi all i am searching the mencoding package in debian |
| 16:01.39 | tuxcrafter | does somebody knows where it is |
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| 16:01.50 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 16:01.50 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze> |
| 16:02.04 | valdyn | judd: versions mencoder |
| 16:02.05 | judd | valdyn: mencoder -- etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1 lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1 sid-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20090301-0.0 |
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| 16:02.28 | JyZyXEL | why does: find / saldkdjdaskdldRANDOMSHIT turn up everything? |
| 16:02.36 | drwn | somebody used wondershaper in lenny ? |
| 16:02.56 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: the syntax for what you want is "find / -name <pattern>" |
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| 16:03.49 | bolt-wor1 | valdyn: no email filter would remove the messages from the syslog though. also, i would assume since the drive has a temperature sensor, it would shut off if it gets close to a damaging temperature. it's currently at a nice 45 degrees, and it still gives me those warnings if i reboot. there must be a way to reset it |
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| 16:04.04 | themill | dpkg: tell JyZyXEL about using find |
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| 16:04.46 | Geek`N`Proud | JyZyXEL: use find / | grep saldkdjdaskdldRANDOMSHIT |
| 16:04.53 | Geek`N`Proud | that should work out better for you :P |
| 16:05.05 | Geek`N`Proud | (ab)uses find =] |
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| 16:05.28 | arezey | find / -name saldkdjdaskdldRANDOMSHIT |
| 16:05.29 | arezey | :P |
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| 16:06.03 | jelly | !using find |
| 16:06.03 | dpkg | hmm... using find is http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
| 16:06.16 | arezey | !abusing find |
| 16:06.23 | arezey | heh |
| 16:06.31 | jelly | arezey: don't abuse it. |
| 16:06.44 | arezey | sorry :/ |
| 16:06.50 | fixed_ | what's the difference between: |
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| 16:07.25 | JyZyXEL | what channel do you go about failing builds? |
| 16:07.40 | arezey | jyzyxel, depends on the program you try to build |
| 16:07.53 | JyZyXEL | example code from libftdi package |
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| 16:08.00 | JyZyXEL | libftdi-dev |
| 16:08.02 | fixed_ | on a sarge, what's the difference between: |
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| 16:08.04 | fixed_ | # apt-get -oDir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/etch.sources.list dist-upgrade |
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| 16:08.41 | yeretik | I'm using Debian GNU/Linux sid/squeeze and i'm beginning about the de debian packaging... So, i'm trying to pack a python script and the how to i'm using, tell me that i need to use the dh_make command... What package i need to install to use this command? |
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| 16:08.45 | JyZyXEL | the #include <ftdi.h> is somedhow failing cause all the functions called from there are saying "undefined referece" |
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| 16:09.00 | JyZyXEL | when they all clearly are in ftdi.h |
| 16:09.04 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: its not failing, that messsage means something else |
| 16:09.12 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: join a C programming channel |
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| 16:09.19 | fixed_ | on a sarge, what's the difference between: |
| 16:09.20 | JyZyXEL | i thinks its GCC's fault |
| 16:09.21 | fixed_ | # apt-get -oDir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/etch.sources.list dist-upgrade |
| 16:09.22 | fixed_ | # apt-get -oDir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/etch.sources.list upgrade |
| 16:09.24 | fixed_ | and: |
| 16:09.25 | fixed_ | # apt-get -oDir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/etch.sources.list upgrade |
| 16:09.26 | JyZyXEL | im not giving something it needs |
| 16:09.27 | fixed_ | # apt-get -oDir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/etch.sources.list dist-upgrade |
| 16:09.28 | fixed_ | and which is the best and why? |
| 16:09.31 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: its your fault |
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| 16:09.43 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: but this is offtopic =/ |
| 16:09.47 | jelly | fixed_: /msg dpkg sarge->etch, probably |
| 16:09.52 | JyZyXEL | yea well where isn't it offtopic |
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| 16:10.02 | cahoot_ | bolt-wor1: man smartd, look for: 'For warning messages/mails on temperatures ' - seems this is configurable |
| 16:10.03 | arezey | jyzyxel, ##c for example |
| 16:10.05 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: in a C programming channel |
| 16:10.08 | JyZyXEL | its offtopic there too |
| 16:10.12 | themill | JyZyXEL: an introductory C programming text would help you. |
| 16:10.15 | JyZyXEL | its only for the C programming |
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| 16:10.22 | JyZyXEL | this is not programming |
| 16:10.24 | JyZyXEL | this is compiling |
| 16:10.27 | bolt-wor1 | cahoot_: ah, i'll take a look |
| 16:10.30 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: haha |
| 16:10.31 | yeretik | I'm using Debian GNU/Linux sid/squeeze and i'm beginning about the de debian packaging... So, i'm trying to pack a python script and the how to i'm using, tell me that i need to use the dh_make command... What package i need to install to use this command? |
| 16:10.34 | JyZyXEL | and that has nothing to do with C programming |
| 16:10.48 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: you dont need to take advice |
| 16:10.54 | themill | JyZyXEL: funnily enough, an introductory C programming text covers how to compile your work |
| 16:11.18 | bolt-wor1 | cahoot_: ooh. default 45 degrees.... it'll easily get 55 in there |
| 16:11.25 | bolt-wor1 | at least |
| 16:11.32 | valdyn | maybe Dijkstra would make a C course that doesnt cover compiling, but no one else would |
| 16:11.35 | bolt-wor1 | cahoot_: i'll try tweaking this a bit. thanks |
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| 16:12.26 | fixed_ | jelly: mmmkay |
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| 16:12.40 | amgarching | which DHCP client are you using? See the output of "dpkg -l | grep dhcp" |
| 16:12.41 | \amethyst | valdyn: most introductory C texts these days don't talk about Unix compiler flags |
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| 16:13.23 | valdyn | \amethyst:they'd probably send people to rtfm |
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| 16:13.40 | tuxcrafter | how can i get mencoder |
| 16:13.45 | JyZyXEL | why don't the -dev packages examples have makefiles |
| 16:13.47 | d-b | \amethyst: gcc -o blah |
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| 16:13.59 | valdyn | !tell tuxcrafter -about dmm |
| 16:14.09 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: you need to link against the library with -lftdi |
| 16:14.29 | rdz | is there any way/tool to detect, whether an external harddrive has a hardware defect? i currently don't have a box with IDE interface around, that is why i can attach it only externally.. |
| 16:14.29 | JyZyXEL | man i knew it was one of those mystical linker problems again |
| 16:14.39 | jelly | "mystical"? |
| 16:14.45 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: it's not mystical... when you use a library other than libc, you have to link against it |
| 16:14.48 | themill | JyZyXEL: trust me, just like it wasn't find's fault that you didn't know how to use it, it's not gcc's fault that it doesn't compile. Try looking up -l option. |
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| 16:14.57 | valdyn | rdz: smart doesnt work over usb or whatever you are using? |
| 16:14.57 | bolt-wor1 | also, another smartd question... when smartd reports currently unreadable (pending) sectors, does this mean the drive has run out of the firmware-managed spare sectors, or just that it's had to use one? this is very important in deciding whether to buy a new drive or not, but i haven't been able to figure it out. |
| 16:15.07 | valdyn | rdz: you can use badblocks for sure though |
| 16:15.18 | jelly | bolt-wor1: afair the latter |
| 16:15.19 | rdz | valdyn, ok... is smart the only way to test for hardware defects? |
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| 16:15.36 | rdz | valdyn, badblocks is aprogramm?.. thanks..i'll check |
| 16:15.37 | \amethyst | valdyn: it would help if Debian shipped TFM |
| 16:15.37 | JyZyXEL | oh so its like that |
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| 16:15.42 | \amethyst | valdyn: but TFM is non-free |
| 16:15.52 | arezey | the freaking manual is non-free? |
| 16:15.52 | d-b | \amethyst: what's tfm ? |
| 16:15.59 | valdyn | \amethyst: the web has it though! |
| 16:15.59 | jelly | bolt-wor1: google will know more, there are some instructive messages on smartmontools lists |
| 16:16.14 | \amethyst | d-b: the felicitous manual |
| 16:16.17 | d-b | its not dfsg "free" |
| 16:16.28 | \amethyst | gcc-doc that is |
| 16:16.36 | jelly | yeah, who wants to program in C on Debian anyway! |
| 16:16.41 | arezey | gcc-doc is non-free? |
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| 16:16.43 | arezey | o_O |
| 16:16.49 | d-b | arezey: yeah its non-free ^^ |
| 16:16.55 | arezey | wtf. |
| 16:16.59 | themill | !gcc-doc |
| 16:17.00 | GAdmiral_Matt | I program in C on debian all the time |
| 16:17.00 | dpkg | the man pages for gcc are in the package gcc-doc which is in non-free. It's in non-free because it is released under the GFDL with invariant sections so the package does not meet the DFSG. Ask me about <non-free> <gfdl> and <dfsg>. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then get manpages-dev. |
| 16:17.06 | \amethyst | arezey: it's in contrib, but the docs themselves (gcc-<version>-doc) are in non-free |
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| 16:17.11 | arezey | right.. |
| 16:17.28 | amgarching | what is the default dhcp-client on Debian? |
| 16:17.31 | d-b | the gfdl is fail ^^ |
| 16:17.35 | \amethyst | the manpages in gcc-4.3-doc seem to violate the license anyway |
| 16:17.38 | d-b | dhclient ?(3) |
| 16:17.59 | \amethyst | since the manpage doesn't contain a copy of the invariant sections |
| 16:18.15 | \amethyst | or, at least, you're not allowed to print the manpage |
| 16:18.19 | d-b | \amethyst: its still a dodgy license. |
| 16:18.46 | themill | \amethyst: it quite possibly is an old version of the docs from before that condition was added. Many of debian's man pages are like that. |
| 16:18.54 | bolt-wor1 | jelly: yes, i found some instructions on how to recover them and so on, which is not really an issue, since they're in a raid5 array, but i haven't yet found anything clear saying this is the drive having run out of spare sectors. if you think that's what it is, however, i'll go straight down to the computer store after work :) |
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| 16:19.22 | \amethyst | themill: then the 'copyright' section in the man page is wrong |
| 16:19.23 | jelly | bolt-wor1: I don't think. |
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| 16:19.32 | \amethyst | themill: because it specifically lists an invariant section that isn't in the manpage |
| 16:19.33 | bolt-wor1 | jelly: ? |
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| 16:19.38 | amgarching | d-b: On ubuntu "aptitude show dhcp-client" says it is "Provided by: dhcpcd, pump, udhcpc", However I see "dhcp3-client" installed. I guess all of them provide "/sbin/dhclient". |
| 16:19.39 | themill | \amethyst: ahh... yay. |
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| 16:20.07 | jelly | bolt-wor1: do not base any money spending on my advice. *ALL WARRANTY DISCLAIMED* |
| 16:20.37 | d-b | jelly: you maintain all rights tho ? |
| 16:20.57 | jelly | d-b: on my irc lines? Sure. |
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| 16:21.15 | \amethyst | themill: I guess if you consider the man pages plus the info pages as a single unit . . . |
| 16:21.43 | themill | \amethyst: I'm not even going to contemplate this further... its too depressing. |
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| 16:22.09 | d-b | ahahahahah. |
| 16:22.38 | paxcoder | steven_: update-notifier still doesn't work after reinstalling. >:-( |
| 16:22.53 | jelly | d-b: if you bash my org, I'm suing. |
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| 16:23.11 | d-b | jelly.inc |
| 16:23.41 | paxcoder | i missed something. darnit |
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| 16:24.49 | paxcoder | stew: btw - you should update the topic, don't you think? |
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| 16:26.25 | themill | paxcoder: to what? |
| 16:27.54 | paxcoder | themill: actually, nothing. I just didn't correct myself to get attention ;-D. Didn't work tho. stew is prolly afk. |
| 16:27.54 | stew | paxcoder: what should I be changing? |
| 16:27.54 | paxcoder | on the other hand... |
| 16:28.15 | paxcoder | stew: nothing. but i do have some problems with my update-notifier that i need solved XD |
| 16:28.52 | stew | paxcoder: what is update-notifier? |
| 16:29.39 | paxcoder | the little orange explosion in the notification bar that you click to update packages ;-) |
| 16:30.01 | amgarching | quote from http://oldwww.isc.org/sw/dhcp/dhcp_rel.php?noframes=1 "The host-name option and a few others were moved from "X" format to "t" format to be compatible with new NULL handling functions. ". Does that affect interoparability of pre- and post 3.0.4 versions of ISC DHCP software? |
| 16:30.11 | stew | wanders away |
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| 16:31.09 | valdyn | paxcoder: sid versions of update-notifier not supporting sid would not be unusual |
| 16:31.44 | valdyn | paxcoder: check the bts. |
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| 16:32.41 | valdyn | paxcoder: same for squeeze right now, both branches just got a new /etc/debian_version |
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| 16:34.07 | valdyn | paxcoder: quick and dirty fix might be editing that file, if thats what update-notifier reads |
| 16:34.13 | d-b | paxcoder: mmm. i think you can explose your self ^^. |
| 16:34.23 | d-b | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 16:35.04 | SQlvpapir | is there a smart way to record everything I do at (and the output of) the command line? |
| 16:35.14 | valdyn | SQlvpapir: typescript |
| 16:36.16 | valdyn | SQlvpapir: or just script, from the bsdutils package |
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| 16:36.40 | paxcoder | sorry my sys crashed |
| 16:36.58 | SQlvpapir | aptoh thats awesome valdyn, just what I was looking for |
| 16:37.24 | valdyn | the one and only useful unix thing i learned at university |
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| 16:38.15 | d-b | valdyn: so they were using that to log students ? |
| 16:38.25 | SQlvpapir | combined with a lot of comments that will save me my usual logwriting :) I rarely need to read my comments anyway |
| 16:38.42 | valdyn | d-b: no, we sent in certain homework that way |
| 16:39.00 | paxcoder | browses logs |
| 16:39.01 | valdyn | d-b: homework = do something in bash |
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| 16:39.12 | trpr | it was used the same at my university. we'd record a successful compile and print it later |
| 16:39.21 | XTF | Hi. What is the recommended DHCP server package for a home LAN (20 hosts)? |
| 16:39.44 | valdyn | XTF: if you have to ask, probably dnsmasq |
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| 16:40.06 | XTF | valdyn: Otherwise it's dhcp3-server? ;) |
| 16:40.08 | valdyn | XTF: because its easier than dhcp3-server |
| 16:40.13 | valdyn | XTF: its a dhcp server |
| 16:40.23 | XTF | valdyn: Thanks, I'll give it a try. |
| 16:40.35 | d-b | XTF: dnsmasq also does some dns caching (by default) 100 ... |
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| 16:41.27 | maligor | is there some preferred way of moving to the new .d/*.conf requirement? (or just mass rename) |
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| 16:41.37 | valdyn | maligor: ignore it |
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| 16:41.49 | valdyn | maligor: or just fix your own custom files |
| 16:42.14 | valdyn | maligor: debian wont force .conf before it adjusts its own files |
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| 16:43.02 | jelly | forces .conf in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 16:43.25 | valdyn | maligor: right now moving unmodified debian config files would have side effects that you dont want |
| 16:43.38 | maligor | yeah, I rather figured it might |
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| 16:44.38 | SQlvpapir | so script will go to the background and record every term/tty? |
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| 16:44.51 | valdyn | SQlvpapir: no, only the current session |
| 16:45.14 | valdyn | SQlvpapir: to spy on many terminal sessions you need something like console-kit |
| 16:45.46 | SQlvpapir | I will try to keep it to one tty then :) |
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| 16:52.27 | v4nelle | guys i have a base syetm of sid and i try to install gnome-desktop-environment.....but i get this http://imagebin.org/40836 !any help? |
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| 16:52.46 | wonderwal | how to apt problems and dependency problems occur? |
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| 16:53.28 | jelly | v4nelle: why do you use sid? |
| 16:53.48 | valdyn | v4nelle: you are running sid, your problem |
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| 16:55.48 | stew | v4nelle: what is the problem? |
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| 16:55.51 | jelly | v4nelle: sid doesn't make any guarantees about any packages being installable at a point in time; people that use it are supposed to help with packaging, report and fix problems. |
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| 16:56.25 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 16:57.09 | wonderwal | where can i get a copy of etch? |
| 16:57.45 | paxcoder | valdyn: you were saying something about.... "bts"? |
| 16:57.52 | jelly | v4nelle: you can use aptitude's UI to try resolving the package conflicts; adding testing repositories might make more things installable; then again, it'll probably break some other things. |
| 16:57.57 | eptalon | wonderwal: online.. |
| 16:58.12 | valdyn | !bts |
| 16:58.12 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 16:58.13 | v4nelle | ok....thx :) |
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| 16:58.24 | wonderwal | eptalon: i mainly see 5.0 |
| 16:58.25 | eptalon | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 16:59.26 | wonderwal | my aim is to test debian by building my system around etch, and then upgrading to lenny, and seeing if it does the job well |
| 16:59.55 | eptalon | wonderwal: etc is the last released, iirc. |
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| 17:00.26 | eptalon | wonderwal: so the page above are etch images.. |
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| 17:00.35 | paxcoder | valdyn: can't find gnome-notifier page |
| 17:00.42 | jelly | huh. www.debian.org really doesn't make finding oldstable installers easy. www.debian.org -> available versions of Debian -> Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (etch) â current oldstable release -> your arch (intel x86?) -> wtf are d-i links! |
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| 17:00.54 | valdyn | paxcoder: i thought you were talking about update-notifier |
| 17:01.05 | paxcoder | valdyn: darnit. i was. |
| 17:01.56 | wonderwal | eptalon: so i should be looking at vhttp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ ? |
| 17:01.59 | jelly | wonderwal: something like http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r7/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 17:02.02 | paxcoder | dunno. |
| 17:02.41 | eptalon | wonderwal: unless you have a very specific reason to use old stable, don't. |
| 17:02.55 | jelly | eptalon: he just stated that specific reason. |
| 17:03.29 | wonderwal | eptalon: im not going to use it, im going to partially build my system around it, upgrade to stable, and see if it works well. |
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| 17:03.43 | Mateusz | hi |
| 17:04.03 | wonderwal | debian-40r7-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso, what's this? |
| 17:04.07 | eptalon | wonderwal: as in testing ''upgradeability |
| 17:04.09 | eptalon | ? |
| 17:04.14 | wonderwal | eptalon: yes |
| 17:04.21 | Mateusz | connect irc.freenode.net |
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| 17:04.39 | eptalon | wonderwal: thats a minimal cd that will get what it needs form the net. |
| 17:04.58 | eptalon | wonderwal: there are like 2-3 variants of that. |
| 17:05.18 | wonderwal | debian-40r7-i386-CD-1.iso is the install cd and some important packages? |
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| 17:05.39 | valdyn | wonderwal: and the most popular packages that fit on it |
| 17:05.43 | eptalon | wonderwal: thats the first of a myriad of cds. |
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| 17:05.57 | wonderwal | sounds right then |
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| 17:06.05 | jelly | wonderwal: basically you need jsut the netinst. |
| 17:06.14 | martianlobster | is there a way of passing the password on an scp command line? or do I have to use the id_rsa authentication, if I want to run scp in an automated script? |
| 17:06.14 | eptalon | wonderwal: I usually install using netinst on a cd-r(w).. |
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| 17:06.29 | valdyn | maligor: use key based auth yes |
| 17:06.34 | valdyn | martianlobster: ^^ |
| 17:06.45 | martianlobster | thanks |
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| 17:06.54 | J_P | hi all |
| 17:07.08 | J_P | How I see what is my motherbord model in linux ? |
| 17:07.12 | jelly | wonderwal: if you're installing on new hardware, the etchnhalf installer image might be reuired. |
| 17:07.21 | valdyn | J_P: dmidecode |
| 17:07.30 | eptalon | J_P: dmesg| less, and go through the messages |
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| 17:07.46 | wonderwal | jelly: i'll try that one to be safe? |
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| 17:08.49 | jelly | wonderwal: also read http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf then |
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| 17:09.32 | jelly | wonderwal: "/msg dpkg etchnhalf" has more pointers about it |
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| 17:10.08 | J_P | valdyn: and eptalon sorry, but don't have nothing about model motherboard... |
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| 17:10.21 | valdyn | J_P: its in demidecode |
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| 17:11.05 | J_P | valdyn: in what part ? I did a dmidecode | less but not find... :-( |
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| 17:11.34 | valdyn | J_P: dmidecode | grep Product |
| 17:11.38 | J_P | valdyn: I have a intel motherbord, but I would like know what is model |
| 17:11.41 | J_P | humm |
| 17:11.54 | J_P | valdyn: thanks |
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| 17:14.50 | hugleo | hey |
| 17:15.43 | hugleo | whats differences between authoritative DHCP server and non authoritative DHCP server? |
| 17:16.01 | adama__ | authority |
| 17:16.10 | nsadmin | one's into bdsm? |
| 17:16.21 | steven_ | hugleo: an authoritve one has control over the domain |
| 17:16.26 | adama__ | if a client gets 2 leases it will use one from an authoritative server |
| 17:16.30 | steven_ | subnet usually |
| 17:16.34 | nsadmin | maybe one asks the other for config info |
| 17:16.44 | Mateusz | hello |
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| 17:17.09 | Mateusz | i hv a problem with debian xfce |
| 17:17.14 | \amethyst | adama__: man dhcpd.conf, search for 'authoritatitve' |
| 17:17.18 | \amethyst | doh |
| 17:17.19 | Mateusz | how to install PCMCIA |
| 17:17.23 | nsadmin | I've never heard of authority as applied to dhcp, but there is authority in dns |
| 17:17.23 | \amethyst | hugleo: man dhcpd.conf, search for 'authoritatitve' |
| 17:17.25 | adama__ | everyone has their usernames padded with _ apparently |
| 17:17.26 | Mateusz | prot? |
| 17:17.36 | adama__ | authoritatitve - no results :P |
| 17:17.47 | \amethyst | bah |
| 17:17.54 | \amethyst | s/tv/v/ |
| 17:17.57 | adama__ | authorit works |
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| 17:19.08 | Barrett666_ | hi |
| 17:19.17 | beered | Is there a big mem kernel (for 4GB of memory)? |
| 17:19.22 | beered | ... that I can just apt-get? |
| 17:19.36 | wedge | yes |
| 17:19.41 | adama__ | hugleo: yeah it's all explained in man dhcpd.conf under dynamic address allocation |
| 17:19.51 | hugleo | hmm |
| 17:19.57 | beered | wedge: what is it called? I can't aptitude search it. I'm probably using a wrong term. |
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| 17:20.15 | wedge | apt-cache search bigmem |
| 17:20.31 | mib_c2s5rn | Hey, I cannot add the Arabic support on XFCE .... the "Language Settings" is not avaliable |
| 17:20.33 | Barrett666_ | i installed git with the command "aptitude install git" but is not present in /usr/bin and /bin and the bash says "bash: git: command not found" |
| 17:20.36 | Barrett666_ | any idea? |
| 17:20.42 | Barrett666_ | i'm using lenny |
| 17:20.43 | beered | wedge: I get no results. |
| 17:20.43 | jelly | Barrett666_: git-core |
| 17:20.51 | beered | wedge: I'm on PowerPC, Lenny. |
| 17:20.56 | beered | hrm... |
| 17:20.57 | Barrett666_ | jelly, bash: git-core: command not found |
| 17:20.58 | jelly | judd: info git |
| 17:20.59 | judd | jelly: git (utils): is optional; Version: 4.9.4-1; Size: 11.9k; Installed: 60k -- transitional dummy package which can be safely removed |
| 17:21.15 | jelly | Barrett666_: that's the package name for git; sorry |
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| 17:22.06 | jelly | Barrett666_: you installed "GNU Interactive Tools, a file browser/viewer and process viewer/killer" |
| 17:22.24 | Barrett666_ | ah lol |
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| 17:22.49 | beered | Okay, is there a SMP BIGMEM kernel? I can find (thanks, wedge) BIGMEM and SMP separatley but as a single option. |
| 17:22.53 | stew | hopefully for squeeze, git wil be the right package |
| 17:23.08 | Barrett666_ | jelly, damned complicated packages names : ) |
| 17:23.08 | jelly | beered: all the kernels are smp capable in lenny |
| 17:23.14 | stew | beered: all bigmem kernels should be smp |
| 17:23.31 | beered | stew: really? let me try... |
| 17:23.31 | stew | jelly: (except -486) |
| 17:23.40 | beered | stew: thanks :-) I'll give it a try. |
| 17:23.44 | jelly | stew: /o\ |
| 17:24.26 | hugleo | bye |
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| 17:24.33 | wp | hi |
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| 17:24.45 | wp | what is the proper way in debian in dealing with iptables? |
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| 17:25.28 | nsadmin | wp: how do you want to deal? |
| 17:25.41 | Tolly | well im outta here guys. thanx for the info the other day.. your all free to signup to my site. www.tgbtd.com thanx again peeps... keep up the good work |
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| 17:26.56 | ovnicraft | hi, i am new in debian, i installed with aptitude phppgadmin, i need configure apache to support php? |
| 17:28.47 | wp | nsadmin: where do place scripts for bootup etC? |
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| 17:29.12 | Geek`N`Proud | ovnicraft: install the apache php packages if they aren't already |
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| 17:29.39 | Geek`N`Proud | also.. I don't know if this has any bearing but apt-get is the standard way to install apps via a single command |
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| 17:30.17 | matt7676 | there are alwayse a number behind UNIX utility manuals(for example file(1), magic(5), ifconfig(8), proc(5), etc). What does those numbers mean? |
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| 17:30.41 | Geek`N`Proud | apt-get would pull in many of the suggested packages necessary to get it installed the way you like (whereas aptitude doesn't by default IIRC) |
| 17:30.54 | nsadmin | matt7676 manual section |
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| 17:31.08 | arezey | hey, is it possible to use dd to make a clone of a partition? |
| 17:31.14 | Geek`N`Proud | arezey: yes it is |
| 17:31.15 | js_ | yes |
| 17:31.19 | matt7676 | nsadmin: is there a one big central manual? |
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| 17:31.25 | mcasti | arejay, yes, and cat |
| 17:31.25 | nsadmin | to get proc(5) you man 5 proc |
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| 17:31.32 | arezey | just by doing dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sda2 ? |
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| 17:31.48 | Vonor | hi there |
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| 17:32.37 | mcasti | arejay, but doing this, you copy all partition, including non-used sectos |
| 17:32.54 | arezey | hmm so the partitions must be of the exact size |
| 17:33.18 | Vonor | is there a guide on creating your own install media with pre-setup configurations for the installed system? (mainly interested in changing the default look and feel of gnome) |
| 17:33.31 | arezey | or wait.. would it work if the target one was larger in size? |
| 17:33.49 | arezey | obviously it doesn't if it's smaller.. |
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| 17:34.17 | nsadmin | arezey: if they're not, you can use tar to copy them |
| 17:34.29 | arezey | hmm that would be one way |
| 17:34.34 | arezey | or just simple cp |
| 17:34.37 | mcasti | arejay, try it, but use e2resize |
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| 17:34.43 | kunal | hello. |
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| 17:35.26 | PeterFA | What kernel is used in Squeek? |
| 17:35.37 | nsadmin | if this is for a full backup, cp might not do everything right; tar always does if you use p |
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| 17:36.14 | keith4 | PeterFA: packages.debian.org |
| 17:36.41 | wonderwal | is running debian amd64 on a i386 machine dangerous? |
| 17:36.44 | jazzcat | anyone has has any kind of problem with highgui library when upgrading ? |
| 17:36.48 | wonderwal | not in production |
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| 17:36.50 | jazzcat | has had, sorry |
| 17:36.53 | valdyn | matt7676: thats man sections, various ( identically named )manpages exist in different section for different things |
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| 17:37.00 | keith4 | PeterFA: so.... 2.6.26 |
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| 17:37.12 | maligor | wonderwal, well.. it won't run |
| 17:37.24 | wonderwal | maligor: ok |
| 17:37.28 | nsadmin | wonderwal: it won't work if it's not an amd64 or core2duo |
| 17:37.37 | arezey | mcasti, well, i'm not really willing to break my hard drive for simple curiosity :) |
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| 17:37.47 | mcasti | ;) |
| 17:38.12 | mcasti | you dont break your hd, only lost data in target partitition. |
| 17:38.19 | Geek`N`Proud | wonderwal: if you are after improving performance then you could use something like apt-build to rebuild some of the more resource intensive apps as i686 |
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| 17:38.29 | Geek`N`Proud | assuming it's a modern 32-bit processor |
| 17:38.29 | arezey | well yeah |
| 17:38.31 | mcasti | and waste time. |
| 17:38.44 | kunal | does anyone know if debian supports touch screen? |
| 17:38.47 | valdyn | except that debian already builds for 686 |
| 17:38.59 | Geek`N`Proud | valdyn: only the kernel and some bits |
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| 17:39.02 | valdyn | or was that 586 ? small difference |
| 17:39.12 | Geek`N`Proud | IIRC it still supports older than i686 |
| 17:39.16 | wonderwal | Geek`N`Proud: not really. i like to have two copies of a system.. one for production, one for test environment. the production server is an amd64 processor, test isn't |
| 17:39.24 | assasusonic | hi everyone, is there any backport of pidgin for lenny? |
| 17:39.29 | valdyn | Geek`N`Proud: thats possible, optimising for one, still running on the older |
| 17:39.37 | assasusonic | the pidgin in lenny doesn't connect anymore |
| 17:39.41 | jelly | valdyn: things still work on cyrix cripp^W586-like cpus. |
| 17:39.44 | Geek`N`Proud | it isn't optimised in that case |
| 17:39.51 | Geek`N`Proud | it's tuned for it but not optimised for it |
| 17:39.54 | nsadmin | kunal touch screen is hardware... usually the kernel supports hardware (or fails to) |
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| 17:40.20 | valdyn | Geek`N`Proud: now lets check dict.org for the different meanings of tune and optimise |
| 17:40.38 | aixenv | is it possible to force aptitude to not prompt for warnings? i dont see that in the --help, i see -y which im specifying but it's still doing a Yes/No warning on untrusted packages |
| 17:40.44 | amgarching | Ok, I solved DHCP problem. The DHCP server didnt derive the hostname from the section name as advertized in docs, one needs to explicitly tell the server: host HOSTNAME { fixed-address HOSTNAME; option host-name "HOSTNAME"; ddns-hostname "HOSTNAME"; ... }. Dont ask me why it worked with SuSE. |
| 17:40.46 | aixenv | this is with lenny |
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| 17:40.50 | PeterFA | On the page that lists the KDE packages for Mr. Testing, amaroK is listed as version 1.4.10-2. Does that mean version 2 is also in there? |
| 17:40.56 | jelly | valdyn: clearly we need a cluster of buildds to build the archive for each one's CPU! |
| 17:41.11 | nsadmin | aixenv: get the key |
| 17:41.13 | aixenv | in etch you could do -y --force-yes but --force-yes doesn't seem to be in lenny |
| 17:41.20 | valdyn | wonderwal: debian has optimised packages for some things. Most software will not profit from optimising ( but you probably alreaday knew that ) |
| 17:41.20 | nsadmin | aixenv: get the key |
| 17:41.35 | nsadmin | then the warning for untrusted packages goes away |
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| 17:42.59 | aixenv | well there is no key |
| 17:43.11 | nsadmin | try apt-get update |
| 17:43.18 | aixenv | i run that first |
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| 17:43.43 | nsadmin | so do you get the message there, that you need keys? |
| 17:43.45 | matt7676 | in which folder "Linux Programmers manual" is? |
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| 17:43.58 | valdyn | !folder |
| 17:43.58 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 17:44.35 | aixenv | nsadmin: it warns of untrusted software (proprietary stuff we install) |
| 17:44.52 | matt7676 | ok, directory then |
| 17:45.02 | aixenv | why did --force-yes go away :( |
| 17:46.36 | aixenv | any ideas? i talked to the developer to see if he can setup keys |
| 17:46.53 | nsadmin | oh, I was just going to suggest that |
| 17:46.59 | matt7676 | however, i see no difference if i say folder or directory. It's same |
| 17:47.01 | jelly | tells dpkg about synonyms. |
| 17:47.10 | aixenv | i was hoping --force-yes was there but just in a dif syntax :( |
| 17:47.21 | nsadmin | !synonyms |
| 17:47.29 | avu | matt7676, yes it is, don't bother with the people being anal about it :) |
| 17:47.34 | nsadmin | did not :P |
| 17:47.38 | jelly | nsadmin: [Re: folder] |
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| 17:50.19 | EuShells | Hey - would I upgrade to 2.6 kernel before dist-upgrade, or I would I dist-upgrade first, then kernel? Would I "place" reboots inbetween?= |
| 17:50.46 | avu | EuShells, read the release notes |
| 17:51.01 | avu | EuShells, they explain the upgrade process in great detail |
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| 17:53.15 | matt7676 | EuShells: as far as i know, you should firs do the kernel replacement |
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| 17:53.24 | matt7676 | and then dist-upgrade |
| 17:53.32 | EuShells | the upgrade is from sarge to lenny btw |
| 17:53.33 | EuShells | okay |
| 17:53.56 | EuShells | that's also what I assumed, as I think I read somewhere, that lenny was 2.6 only - or atleast by default |
| 17:54.04 | nsadmin | EuShells: sarge to lenny? upgrade first to etch |
| 17:54.16 | avu | and really. read. the. release. notes. :) |
| 17:54.37 | stew | EuShells: 2.4 are not supported on etch and *sometimes* work. 2.4 kernels will never work on lenny |
| 17:54.44 | avu | don't just blindly do what people in here tell you when there is great documentation available from official sources that walks your through the whole process |
| 17:54.46 | stew | EuShells: and you MUST upgrade the kernel before upgraing to lenny |
| 17:55.08 | format_c | mhh pidgin reports that it is outdated and I should use a newer version. But nothing available via aptitude. Does one know when this upgrade will be available in the repos? |
| 17:55.09 | EuShells | that's what I figured - but I just wanted to get it confirmed - might save me from a 300km trip |
| 17:55.14 | nsadmin | stew can he go directly to lenny from sarge? |
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| 17:55.24 | avu | sigh. |
| 17:55.25 | stew | nsadmin: yes, but he shouldn't |
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| 17:55.44 | labadu | hi |
| 17:55.57 | nsadmin | so he should upgrade to etch, then upgrade to lenny |
| 17:56.05 | stew | EuShells: "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" for the sarge->etch upgrade instructions, then "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" for the etch to lenny instructions |
| 17:56.08 | stew | nsadmin: yes |
| 17:56.32 | jelly | nsadmin: but it's not supported |
| 17:56.39 | labadu | I am using pidgin on lenny and since 2 days I get a "The client version you are using is too old. Please upgrade at http://pidgin.im/" |
| 17:56.43 | nsadmin | not supported to do that? |
| 17:56.48 | nsadmin | err to do what? |
| 17:56.48 | jelly | (skipping a release) |
| 17:56.49 | stew | nsadmin: skip a release |
| 17:56.55 | labadu | anybody else experiening that? |
| 17:56.55 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 17:57.05 | jelly | missed a few lines |
| 17:57.19 | stew | its something one who reallly knows what they are doing might try, but not on a machine that is hundreds of kilometers away |
| 17:57.20 | format_c | labadu, I asked that several seconds ago |
| 17:57.27 | format_c | I got this message too |
| 17:57.33 | nsadmin | yeah, as soon as I spotted that I called it |
| 17:57.34 | format_c | not I still get |
| 17:57.41 | EuShells | hehe I figured - I'll try see what the docs says about it, thanks |
| 17:57.47 | tecneeq | ahoi chumps and chumpettes |
| 17:57.54 | format_c | narf. I mean it still not working |
| 17:58.01 | labadu | format_c: ah :-) - u dont have a solution yet? |
| 17:58.25 | nsadmin | tecneeq: have you hugged your plonk today? |
| 17:58.38 | format_c | nope |
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| 18:00.17 | labadu | format_c I guess I have to compile the new version 2.5.5 as the topic in #pidgin tells me todo |
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| 18:01.14 | tecneeq | nsadmin: what's a plong outside of the news context? tell me, because i surely don't know. however, if you mean a gleekzorp, that allready got it's tornpee, thanks for the fertsnee. |
| 18:02.11 | nsadmin | tecneeq: to plonk: to /ignore an idiot :) |
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| 18:02.25 | format_c | I'll wait some days and hope the new version will arrive in the repos. |
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| 18:04.13 | tecneeq | nsadmin: if you want to flame use a query |
| 18:04.19 | tecneeq | nsadmin: with someone else ;) |
| 18:04.33 | tecneeq | i'm just a friendly guy using debian |
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| 18:06.12 | Kl0r | Guys, any way to go by on installing a whole new distro on a remote server. It's currently running Etch (i386),I have root access but I do not have access to the CDrom, or BIOS ( so no PXE booting either). I want to install a new distro (proxmox - based on Etch-64). Any suggestions on how to go by doing this ? |
| 18:06.53 | doleyb | !tell Kl0r about remote install |
| 18:08.11 | Kl0r | thanks doleyb. |
| 18:08.48 | Kl0r | This looks risky though :P |
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| 18:09.19 | stew | Kl0r: you should be asking a proxmox channel |
| 18:09.26 | koan | all remote installs are risky :) |
| 18:10.14 | Kl0r | stew I chose to ask promox's daddy :) |
| 18:10.49 | lepine_w | has anyone here followed the 'isp-style mail' series? I'm getting 'status=deferred (temporary failure)' when trying to send mail through telnet ... the telnet connection goes as planned ... mail.log shows the error |
| 18:10.53 | stew | Kl0r: you chose wrong. we don't know how to install proxmox. and it is off-topic here |
| 18:11.01 | lepine_w | anyone here have experience with postfix and dovecot? |
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| 18:11.58 | nsadmin | Kl0r: is it a 64 bit etch now? (aka amd64 userland)? |
| 18:12.08 | Kl0r | yeah |
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| 18:12.28 | nsadmin | hmm, not just the kernel? |
| 18:12.32 | Kl0r | however if I had a barebones etch-64 install, and just got the packages from proxmox it would not be recomended |
| 18:12.55 | OpenTokix | Kl0r: you should get ipmi 2.0 servers =) |
| 18:13.24 | Kl0r | I dont know what those are, but thanks, I'll find out |
| 18:13.31 | nsadmin | they'd be right about tne "not recommended" |
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| 18:14.18 | shams | can i download a dynamic website completely? |
| 18:14.21 | nsadmin | so they installed amd64 etch for you? |
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| 18:14.30 | Kl0r | they can do that yes |
| 18:14.38 | Kl0r | at the moment is i386 |
| 18:15.00 | nsadmin | oh, that's going to be very difficult unless you have them do that |
| 18:15.27 | nsadmin | so, why do you want to do this? |
| 18:15.38 | Kl0r | But proxmox has probably done a lot of work on Ecth-64. I doubt a simple dist-upgrade will work, at all |
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| 18:16.01 | kunal | hi |
| 18:16.08 | thijsb | hi there |
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| 18:16.10 | kunal | i recently installed debian |
| 18:16.15 | Kl0r | Oh, this is how I learn things :) . I wanted to play around with virtualization and clusters of it |
| 18:16.16 | Jemt | shams: Nope. Yoy can download content that has been linked to, but that might not be the entire website |
| 18:16.21 | thijsb | oke |
| 18:16.25 | kunal | one small question |
| 18:16.34 | OpenTokix | why do you wanna use proxmox? What does it give you? |
| 18:16.34 | Jemt | shams: But it will most likely be what you need |
| 18:16.35 | thijsb | what is gnu/Linux :D? |
| 18:16.52 | kunal | i am right now in some command area. how do i go to the graphic based |
| 18:17.01 | thijsb | install it |
| 18:17.02 | Jemt | !tell kunal about Linux |
| 18:17.04 | kunal | its got my username@mycomputername |
| 18:17.11 | thijsb | it is no ubuntu ^^ |
| 18:17.13 | Kl0r | promox is a highly integrated and optimised distro for virtualization, it makeseverything painless :) |
| 18:17.24 | OpenTokix | Kl0r: But you can do that on a run of the mill Debian Lenny 64bit? |
| 18:17.25 | thijsb | apt-get update |
| 18:17.25 | kunal | but should have some usual interface? |
| 18:17.35 | thijsb | apt-get install xorg |
| 18:17.40 | thijsb | apt-get install gnome |
| 18:17.40 | OpenTokix | Kl0r: It is high collection of bullshit, so it seems |
| 18:17.44 | kunal | ok thans |
| 18:17.49 | thijsb | or apt-get install kde :D |
| 18:17.51 | Kl0r | OpenTokix, yeah I know I could install OpenVZmyself |
| 18:17.52 | OpenTokix | Kl0r: Just install lenny and libvirt, and you are on your way |
| 18:17.54 | thijsb | or xfce4 |
| 18:17.55 | maligor | kunal, run tasksel and select Desktop Environment |
| 18:17.56 | thijsb | so |
| 18:17.58 | kunal | not kde. |
| 18:18.01 | shams | Jemt: that website, generate pages when i click on a link, like a cms. so can i download that completely? |
| 18:18.08 | maligor | the Desktop Environment in tasksel is gnome |
| 18:18.11 | thijsb | yes kunal try tasksel |
| 18:18.12 | Jemt | shams: Yes |
| 18:18.20 | jelly | OpenTokix: "can do it" and "can do it in minimal time" aren't the same things, though |
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| 18:18.25 | shams | Jemt: which software do you know? |
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| 18:18.47 | maligor | kunal, it should've given you the option to install 'Desktop Environment' when you installed it anyway :P |
| 18:18.53 | kunal | got an error msg tasksel:debconf failed to run |
| 18:18.54 | Jemt | Am I the only one not capable of switchen between a laptops built-in LCD and an external monitor on Debian Lenny ? Does it work for any of your guys ? |
| 18:18.58 | Jemt | shams: wget |
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| 18:19.12 | thijsb | try dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 18:19.19 | kunal | ok |
| 18:19.24 | thijsb | or try ubuntu :D |
| 18:19.27 | Jemt | kunal: http://linuxreviews.org/quicktips/wget/ |
| 18:19.29 | OpenTokix | jelly: With the circumstanses with not local access etc, I would go basic |
| 18:19.34 | thijsb | or u a linux nummem |
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| 18:20.07 | thijsb | people check |
| 18:20.13 | kunal | what do you mean by linux nummen? |
| 18:20.27 | thijsb | newbie :D |
| 18:20.29 | jelly | thijsb: wtf are you on about? |
| 18:20.29 | thijsb | sorry |
| 18:20.38 | lepine_w | can i get comments about the 'isp-style' mail series of howto's? I'm currently testing that setup ... i'm no expert on mail systems, and wouldn't be able to discern good from bad ideas ... any comments appreciated |
| 18:21.12 | thijsb | jelly go install linux humm? whereis my gui |
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| 18:21.18 | thijsb | dude it is linux! |
| 18:21.23 | Kl0r | lol |
| 18:21.40 | nsadmin | thijsb: do you know what linux is? |
| 18:21.44 | Kl0r | Maybe he was thinking of Compiz Fusion as Linux |
| 18:21.58 | thijsb | no body no what it is :D |
| 18:22.05 | thijsb | linux = kernel |
| 18:22.09 | thijsb | gnu = userland tools |
| 18:22.20 | thijsb | gnu/linux = distro |
| 18:22.23 | thijsb | like debian |
| 18:22.24 | nsadmin | oh, so this is a political discussion :) |
| 18:22.41 | shams | Jemt: can you write syntax of wget for download a dynamic website |
| 18:22.43 | jelly | applies /ignore and hopes people take everything said with a grain of salt |
| 18:22.45 | Kl0r | Is this a political trial /(piratebay court reference) |
| 18:22.56 | Jemt | shams: Check the link I just gave you |
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| 18:23.14 | lepine_w | chuckles at the thought of a recent xkcd comic |
| 18:23.19 | Jemt | shams: Oh, sorry. It ended up at the wrong place :) |
| 18:23.21 | Jemt | shams: http://linuxreviews.org/quicktips/wget/ |
| 18:23.22 | scorch_ | I'm getting this when I run "apt-get update": |
| 18:23.23 | Jemt | There you go |
| 18:23.25 | scorch_ | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 18:23.26 | scorch_ | 4D270D06F42584E6 |
| 18:23.26 | scorch_ | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 18:23.38 | thijsb | apt-key list? |
| 18:23.40 | lepine_w | scorch_: i've been getting that too |
| 18:23.43 | scorch_ | and if I run it again, I'm still getting it |
| 18:23.53 | jelly | scorch_: which debian release? |
| 18:24.01 | lepine_w | lenny here |
| 18:24.01 | thijsb | cat /etc/debian_version :D |
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| 18:24.06 | nsadmin | lepine_w, scorch_: you can get that key |
| 18:24.29 | scorch_ | lenny/sid |
| 18:24.30 | thijsb | dpkg-reconfigure apt-get ? |
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| 18:24.31 | thijsb | :D |
| 18:24.45 | thijsb | keyring of something like |
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| 18:24.57 | hark | scorch_: /msg dpkg etch->lenny key |
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| 18:26.25 | nb9nr9no9 | etch becomes obsolescent now eh? no more development--just archived at whatever the last release was? |
| 18:26.31 | kunal | i am getting an error that states E:Could not open lock file (permission deined) Unable to lock the administration directory, are you root? |
| 18:26.32 | jelly | thijsb: it's better to answer only the queries you have direct experience with, you're just confusing things more this way |
| 18:26.34 | kunal | how do i become root? |
| 18:26.42 | thijsb | try sudo |
| 18:26.45 | lepine_w | kunal: su |
| 18:26.47 | stew | nb9nr9no9: no, it is supported until February 2010 |
| 18:26.49 | kunal | sudo not found |
| 18:26.50 | thijsb | sudo command |
| 18:26.53 | thijsb | su :D |
| 18:26.54 | thijsb | su - |
| 18:26.58 | thijsb | btter |
| 18:27.01 | kunal | thanks :?) |
| 18:27.03 | kunal | :) |
| 18:27.42 | martianlobster | is there a way to delete files with scp? |
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| 18:27.49 | nb9nr9no9 | etch was the best debian yet--i really liked that network monitor gui it had--made things really simple for someone who is always in a different area all the time like me |
| 18:27.56 | lepine_w | thijsb: could you try improving your SNr? |
| 18:28.07 | Kl0r | I like vnstat |
| 18:28.19 | kunal | i get a message now. saying couldnt find packge genome- is it possible to download one? |
| 18:28.22 | thijsb | what is my SNr? |
| 18:28.28 | lepine_w | signal to noise ratio |
| 18:28.34 | kunal | before i can even download. i need to 1st configure my dhcp settings |
| 18:28.46 | kunal | and ip as the configuration here is manual |
| 18:28.51 | stew | thijsb: stop hitting enter so often |
| 18:29.04 | thijsb | ow sorry |
| 18:29.16 | kunal | how to configure my eth connection? |
| 18:29.29 | lepine_w | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:29.31 | thijsb | martian try scp --delete |
| 18:29.36 | adama__ | kunal: man interfaces |
| 18:29.43 | thijsb | or run dhclient eth0 |
| 18:29.47 | kunal | ok. |
| 18:30.02 | nsadmin | also numberOfIdeas-to-numberOfEnters ratio |
| 18:30.05 | nb9nr9no9 | kunla--ifconfig or iwconfig if its wireless you want to configure |
| 18:30.22 | jelly | thijsb: STOP with the nonsense advice already! |
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| 18:30.39 | kunal | right thanks. and can i run finch directly after i get connected? |
| 18:30.47 | nsadmin | we've seen this guy before |
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| 18:31.21 | kunal | seen who? |
| 18:31.25 | jelly | thijsb: only give answers if you 100% sure the you're correct. Don't offer lame guesses. Don't offer help about commands you don't know basic syntax of. |
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| 18:32.00 | thijsb | oke oke |
| 18:32.03 | thijsb | i will do |
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| 18:32.34 | nsadmin | and using enter a lot tends to interfere with other converations... |
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| 18:33.00 | thijsb | i go try a ohter client |
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| 18:33.13 | thijsb | bye |
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| 18:33.57 | lxsameer | how can i download a package and its dependencies that are installed in my debian box before? |
| 18:34.18 | jelly | thijsb: no need to leave, just bear in mind thisis a support channel and wrong answers are not supportive. |
| 18:34.25 | nsadmin | lxsameer: before when? |
| 18:34.40 | nsadmin | you removed them? or how are they gone? |
| 18:34.57 | lxsameer | nsadmin: i mean i installed it. |
| 18:35.36 | nsadmin | you want to download the packages but not install them? |
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| 18:36.10 | nsadmin | maybe the downloaded packages are already in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 18:37.30 | lxsameer | nsadmin: i want to download a package and its dependencies . but i install that package . i mean i have that package installed now. |
| 18:37.58 | honschu | I would like to get asked when aptitude installs/reinstalls/delets stuff. There was somewhere the option to set the ask-level. |
| 18:37.59 | nsadmin | look in that dir to see if they're already there |
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| 18:39.01 | ajavid | hi |
| 18:39.08 | hark | honschu: use -P |
| 18:39.17 | honschu | How to set the priority with dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 18:39.27 | avu | honschu, dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 18:39.36 | honschu | ah that's it thanks a lot! |
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| 18:39.53 | avu | honschu, or, if you don't mean the default for one call, dpkg-reconfigure -p<priority> |
| 18:40.39 | joelsolanki | Conflicts: tomcat4 (>= 4.1) but 4.1.31-3 is to be installed |
| 18:40.43 | joelsolanki | what does this mean ? |
| 18:40.48 | honschu | And on the console I can't see a "Ã" |
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| 18:41.20 | joelsolanki | does it means tomcat4.1.31 is installed and its conflicting ? |
| 18:41.34 | jelly | joelsolanki: it usually means you're mixing packages for different debian releases. |
| 18:41.52 | stew | tomcat4?!? |
| 18:41.59 | jelly | joelsolanki: pastebin the command you ran and its complete output. |
| 18:42.18 | stew | joelsolanki: it probably means that tomcat4 version 4.1.31-3 is already installed |
| 18:42.23 | dob1 | why the ktorrent package in lenny works so bad ? i am talking about the gui, it is not defined, it depends on some kde4 package? |
| 18:42.26 | stew | but tomcat4 was removed from debian a lot of years ago |
| 18:42.36 | joelsolanki | aahh. |
| 18:42.39 | jelly | sarge or so. |
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| 18:42.44 | joelsolanki | yes it is sarge system |
| 18:42.53 | joelsolanki | i m old guy. :) hehe |
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| 18:43.02 | nsadmin | joelsolanki: but more basically, it means tomcat4.1.31 is going to be installed... but the thing it's currently trying to install conflicts with any tomcat whose version is later than 4.1 |
| 18:43.07 | stew | oh, i guess it was still around in 2006, but it was never part of a stable release? |
| 18:43.18 | jelly | joelsolanki: your system is two debian releases behind; what repository are you using? |
| 18:43.30 | matt7676 | is there a one central directory, where all man pages are situated? Or a tutorial how to creata a man page if i have made a small utility? |
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| 18:43.40 | joelsolanki | jelly: hold hold |
| 18:44.02 | nsadmin | matt7676: /usr/share/man |
| 18:44.16 | jelly | holds and listens to the muzak |
| 18:44.17 | neant | netscape 4.76 |
| 18:44.25 | joelsolanki | you mean to say that /etc/apt/sources is trying to install tomcat4.1.31 ? |
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| 18:44.53 | joelsolanki | let me tell you the repository |
| 18:45.04 | jelly | joelsolanki: I mean, pastebin the command you ran and its complete output; also your sources.list and "pt-cache policy" output. |
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| 18:45.10 | stew | joelsolanki: i don't think so; show us the output of "apt-cache policy tomcat4 libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:45.14 | nsadmin | in some systems, /usr/man... and individual compiles are free to place man pages anywhere, but defaults to $prefix/man |
| 18:45.28 | joelsolanki | ok |
| 18:45.48 | nsadmin | debian man pages, /usr/share/man |
| 18:46.29 | MrWax | how to cat a file and then grep the first 20 results? |
| 18:46.30 | neant | netscape 4.8 |
| 18:46.42 | ajavid | dob1, ktorrent is horrible anyway |
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| 18:46.59 | ajavid | dob1, I suggest something based on librottent, like deluge-rottent or rtorrent |
| 18:47.01 | nsadmin | MrWax: what's a result? |
| 18:47.03 | ajavid | torrent* |
| 18:47.03 | joelsolanki | http://pastebin.ca/1357543 |
| 18:47.04 | avu | MrWax, dpending on what you really mean by that, you probably want head(1) somewhere in your pipe |
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| 18:47.33 | MrWax | cat file | grep string | head(20) ? |
| 18:47.51 | ajavid | dob1, ktorrent also does't report correctly on private trackers that use ratio systems |
| 18:47.54 | nsadmin | head(1) means man 1 head |
| 18:47.58 | avu | MrWax, the (1) is the section of the manual where head is described :) |
| 18:48.00 | stew | uuoc |
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| 18:48.18 | ajavid | :) try 'man man' |
| 18:48.22 | ajavid | learn how to use man |
| 18:48.22 | avu | MrWax, also, as stew pointed out, that's useless use of cat :) |
| 18:48.30 | jelly | joelsolanki: alright. Your sources.list says "oldstable", but etch was made oldstable when lenny released |
| 18:48.33 | avu | MrWax, just grep string file | head -20 |
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| 18:48.38 | keith4 | I need to add ACL support to / on a debian box. I can add that to fstab... but can I remount / ? |
| 18:48.44 | MrWax | thanks |
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| 18:48.55 | jelly | joelsolanki: sarge is now only available via archive.debian.org, and not supported at all any more |
| 18:48.55 | joelsolanki | http://pastebin.ca/1357545 |
| 18:48.58 | joelsolanki | take a look at this. |
| 18:49.28 | joelsolanki | jelly: yes therefore i m working on upgrading the things. |
| 18:49.31 | nsadmin | keith4: man mount for how to remount...but probably easier to reboot |
| 18:50.03 | \amethyst | keith4: yes, remount / -o remount,acl |
| 18:50.11 | joelsolanki | it is our developement server and we have limitation to use sarge + woody environment but i am working on upgrading it which is hard stuff. |
| 18:50.12 | jelly | joelsolanki: start with "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian sarge contrib non-free", then follow /msg dpkg sarge->etch, then etch->lenny |
| 18:50.17 | \amethyst | keith4: err, mount / -o remount,acl |
| 18:50.23 | keith4 | nsadmin: \amethyst: thanks |
| 18:50.34 | nsadmin | joelsolanki: your first upgrade step would be to read the release notes for etch and upgrade to it |
| 18:50.36 | keith4 | if i put acl in fstab, do I need to pass it to mount still? |
| 18:50.46 | martianlobster | is is there something like winscp for linux? |
| 18:50.49 | keith4 | ... nope! |
| 18:50.50 | jelly | joelsolanki: also there's a rumor that tomcat 5 is the latest craze |
| 18:50.58 | keith4 | martianlobster: are you serious? |
| 18:51.00 | adama__ | LOL |
| 18:51.06 | martianlobster | it isn't for me |
| 18:51.19 | doleyb | martianlobster: there is scp, that's where it's from. if you want a gui, maybe try fish:// in konqueror |
| 18:51.19 | joelsolanki | yes agree |
| 18:51.20 | avu | martianlobster, many linux file manager can do sftp |
| 18:51.31 | nsadmin | martianlobster: scp came from linux/unix... so... yes, it's called... scp |
| 18:51.36 | avu | martianlobster, konqueror and nautilus being two popular examples |
| 18:51.42 | martianlobster | thanks |
| 18:51.46 | kunal113 | anyone here who is free? |
| 18:51.47 | joelsolanki | ok let me change to deb http://archive.debian.org/debian sarge contrib non-free and see what happens |
| 18:51.56 | keith4 | kunal113: sorry, i'm expensive |
| 18:52.04 | doleyb | kunal113: non-free is prohibited here |
| 18:52.04 | avu | kunal113, you won't get a personal supporter here, just ask your question |
| 18:52.04 | kunal113 | ok. then not u. |
| 18:52.21 | nsadmin | joelsolanki: someone did say read etch release notes first, yes? |
| 18:52.25 | kunal113 | doleyb :) hello once again. |
| 18:52.51 | \amethyst | martianlobster: nautilus, for example, can handle sftp:// URLs |
| 18:52.57 | martianlobster | ok thanks |
| 18:53.12 | kunal113 | doleyb- how do i configure my network connection? i need to config IP, Subnet, gateway, DNS ? |
| 18:53.23 | avu | kunal113, man interfaces |
| 18:53.28 | kunal113 | ok. |
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| 18:53.40 | nsadmin | non-free is technically not part of debian |
| 18:53.40 | avu | kunal113, also: man resolv.conf |
| 18:53.50 | kunal113 | i get a description |
| 18:53.55 | kunal113 | of a program |
| 18:54.00 | avu | kunal113, yes, those are manuals |
| 18:54.03 | joelsolanki | yes i will ready |
| 18:54.05 | kunal113 | ok. thanks. |
| 18:54.15 | avu | kunal113, you read them and thus you learn what you need to do :) |
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| 18:54.36 | kunal113 | hahaha. thanks for the valuable lesson :) |
| 18:54.58 | nsadmin | you say that like it's a bad thing :P |
| 18:55.15 | batcoder-7 | anyone here use intel drivers? |
| 18:55.21 | batcoder-7 | somethig is wrong |
| 18:55.30 | batcoder-7 | the default way debian does it or something |
| 18:55.31 | stew | batcoder-7: you can assume lots of people use intel drivers |
| 18:55.35 | kunal113 | well yeah. its very much fun to spend hours reading a manual when it'll take an expert 2 mins to tell u how to do it. |
| 18:55.55 | stew | indeed! |
| 18:56.08 | avu | kunal113, it's really quite simple. just read the manual instead of cmplaining here, you'd be halfway done by now :) |
| 18:56.28 | jelly | kunal113: an expert will ask $50/hr, two hours minimum, though |
| 18:56.33 | kunal113 | i dont really understand the manual to be honest. but whatever i'll try whatever i can. |
| 18:56.34 | nsadmin | kunal113: I'm available to read man pages to you. $175/hour. |
| 18:56.48 | avu | !tell kunal113 about grounding |
| 18:56.56 | kunal113 | you plan to ground me? |
| 18:57.12 | avu | read what the bot wrote to you :) |
| 18:57.43 | jelly | nsadmin: apologies for the price cut. |
| 18:58.26 | nsadmin | at least we both had the same idea... |
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| 19:00.18 | kunal113 | it tells me there is no file as etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:00.20 | lxsameer | if i download some packages use apt-get install -d , then where that packages stored? |
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| 19:00.29 | nsadmin | kunal113: reading technical reference material is a skill... you just said you don't have that skill... so, if you practice (reading the man page to try to find a solution OR reading the man page AFTER you ALREADY have a solution), you'll improve that skill |
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| 19:01.30 | joelsolanki | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1357557 |
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| 19:01.49 | nsadmin | kunal113: etc/network/interfaces is a path relative to . while the file is always located at /etc/network/interfaces which is an absolute path |
| 19:01.50 | izzyb | !ssb |
| 19:01.50 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 19:01.54 | joelsolanki | what is installed and candidate ? |
| 19:02.20 | stew | joelsolanki: installed is the version currently installed on your system. Candidate is the version that would be installed by "apt-get install packagename" |
| 19:02.40 | kunal113 | man seriously. people like you make things very hard for newbies. a little support at the beggining is very helpful. i know you all are very intelligent in linux and grub and all that you want to believe in. if i wanted, i could be like you people, someone asked me about a specific problem in biology i could easily tell them to go to the library and read chapter 12 of the biology textbook. |
| 19:02.42 | stew | wow. woody |
| 19:02.48 | kunal113 | thanks alot for all your kind support :) |
| 19:03.07 | joelsolanki | stew: yes woody too :( |
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| 19:03.23 | dkr | kunal113: No manual entry for seriously |
| 19:03.28 | joelsolanki | so why it is trying to install candidate ? |
| 19:03.49 | joelsolanki | stew: i dont want to have that candidate package. can i disable it ? if i did then i think my problem will solve |
| 19:03.50 | kunal113 | dkr- that was lame |
| 19:04.21 | stew | joelsolanki: you don't want to upgrade tomcat4 to the "current" sarge version? |
| 19:04.24 | stew | joelsolanki: why not? |
| 19:04.25 | nsadmin | kunal113: maybe if you're in the middle of studying for your final in biology, you don't have time or energy to help... or maybe you just don't want to. |
| 19:04.31 | stew | joelsolanki: what are you using these for? |
| 19:04.35 | joelsolanki | no |
| 19:05.08 | dkr | kunal113: it's better to teach a man to fish than to just give him a fish. :) |
| 19:05.22 | joelsolanki | we have software development on this and few components need this old stuff. and i really want to remove this and upgrade to debian 5 :) |
| 19:05.26 | stew | joelsolanki: what comman gave you the original error? |
| 19:05.35 | joelsolanki | so i m trying understand all things so i can upgrade it. |
| 19:05.47 | stew | joelsolanki: you want to upgrade the sarge box or the woody box? |
| 19:05.53 | kunal113 | well then good. i assume you meant the 3rd option- nsadmin. the next time you are stranded and need an answer desperately. do remember me. enjoy :) |
| 19:05.58 | stew | joelsolanki: do you just want to get rid of tomcat4 then? |
| 19:05.59 | joelsolanki | this is the error |
| 19:06.00 | joelsolanki | Conflicts: tomcat4 (>= 4.1) but 4.1.31-3 is to be installed |
| 19:06.08 | stew | joelsolanki: what command gave you that error? |
| 19:06.35 | nsadmin | kunal113: or maybe you do, and you do so... maybe if they go to the library, they'll find things that they otherwise wouldn't if someone just gave the answer. plus they learn to use the library... |
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| 19:06.43 | kunal113 | dkr- the fishing issue isnt applicable in this situtaion because the man you are looking here doesnt even know what a rod, a fish, or a boat looks like? maybe some introductory help would make alot of a diff. |
| 19:06.43 | joelsolanki | yes i want to get rid of tomcat4 too. but not now. i am currently creating second server to know how all things work then only i can make a plan to upgrade it |
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| 19:06.53 | joelsolanki | as i know upgrade will be going to really a tough one.:( |
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| 19:07.06 | avu | kunal113, that's why I let the bot send you the 'grounding' factoid |
| 19:07.10 | nsadmin | kunal113: there exists prepared intro help. |
| 19:07.18 | stew | joelsolanki: "apt-get remove tomcat4" to remove tomcat4 |
| 19:07.23 | avu | kunal113, it contains all the pointers to learn about rods, boats and the like :) |
| 19:07.36 | stew | joelsolanki: you are trying to upgrade the sarge box or the woody box? or which? |
| 19:07.41 | nsadmin | and lifejackets :P |
| 19:07.49 | dkr | and sharks |
| 19:07.54 | avu | with lasers! |
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| 19:07.58 | [SpA]SaintK | Hi, i've installed apache2 from the apt repo's on my Lenny 64bit install, but for some reason i keep getting craploads of 'apache2 <defunct> proccesses. Now i've read on google this is caused by the parent suddenly dying, but i cannot find any reason why it does so. I have multiple defunct proccesses per minute. Any tips on were i should be looking ? |
| 19:08.02 | kunal113 | very funy.hahahahahaha...so funny i fogot to laugh |
| 19:08.06 | joelsolanki | stew: right now i am not trying to upgrade anything but just setup a duplicate box. |
| 19:08.13 | joelsolanki | and i found this error. |
| 19:08.33 | joelsolanki | so i m concerned why that candidate is taking newer version ? |
| 19:08.36 | jwoffenden | Heya folks - how do I backup which packages I have installed on a debian system and "restore" it (install all those packages) on a fresh system? |
| 19:08.39 | nsadmin | kunal113: did you have to use the library yourself? |
| 19:08.40 | valdyn | [SpA]SaintK: log files telling anything? |
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| 19:08.51 | kunal113 | no. i had library catalogues |
| 19:08.53 | valdyn | [SpA]SaintK: you activated any apache2 plugins? |
| 19:08.53 | jwoffenden | (provided my sources.lists are the same) |
| 19:08.55 | kunal113 | online catalogues |
| 19:08.55 | stew | joelsolanki: becuase the newer version was the current one at the time sarge was released, and is the only on available for sarge currently |
| 19:09.00 | kunal113 | i just had to enter what i wanted to find |
| 19:09.10 | joelsolanki | oh |
| 19:09.11 | kunal113 | and the library catalogue was very well organized |
| 19:09.16 | kunal113 | it had a table of content |
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| 19:09.26 | kunal113 | not just some random crap like your man interface |
| 19:09.29 | joelsolanki | ok let me get my head into this. so i can know whats going on side |
| 19:09.30 | nsadmin | so when you did that, was a human involved in processing your search criteria? |
| 19:09.54 | avu | kunal113, well then, use the debian reference the bot told you about |
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| 19:10.03 | kunal113 | no. but the 1st time i used a library- yes there was a human invovled |
| 19:10.08 | avu | kunal113, and stop bitching here, it really doesn't accomplish anything at all |
| 19:10.12 | valdyn | !tell jwoffenden -about debian clone |
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| 19:10.21 | kunal113 | i assue nsadmin- the 1st time you learned to use a library a human was there to asist. |
| 19:10.25 | [SpA]SaintK | valdyn: Not the apache2 logs or messages log. any other place i should be looking ? |
| 19:10.32 | jwoffenden | valdyn: thank you |
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| 19:10.49 | nsadmin | kunal113: so I would argue that you fully understand the benefit of using reference material |
| 19:10.52 | valdyn | [SpA]SaintK: not really, messages is nearly a catchall |
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| 19:11.21 | kunal113 | nsadmin- you just dont have anything to argue for the fact that you also relied on human support the 1st time you did anything. |
| 19:11.50 | nsadmin | so you were there? |
| 19:12.02 | avu | nsadmin, best stop feeding the troll ;) |
| 19:12.09 | valdyn | [SpA]SaintK: stop the system apache, run it in command line, use debug switches according to manpage |
| 19:12.23 | nsadmin | agreed, he understands the deal, I'm all done |
| 19:12.25 | kunal113 | avu- yeah you are very smart. |
| 19:12.26 | Geek`N`Proud | kunal113: what's the problem? can I help? |
| 19:12.35 | kunal113 | Geek`N`Proud- its ok. thanks. leave it. |
| 19:12.37 | [SpA]SaintK | valdyn: thanks |
| 19:13.07 | valdyn | [SpA]SaintK: check your whole system or just involved packages' files with debsums |
| 19:13.37 | valdyn | [SpA]SaintK: and/or deactivate apache2 plugins and see if it still crashes |
| 19:13.43 | ajavid | you know whats severely fucked up |
| 19:13.53 | ajavid | I don't even have a single debian computer in my house anymore |
| 19:14.07 | ajavid | except that one silly laptop still carrying over from oklahoma |
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| 19:14.44 | nsadmin | just call us silly laptop supporters :P |
| 19:14.47 | ajavid | no backups, no pcs, no data left ... |
| 19:14.54 | ajavid | no I called the police, I had a robbery |
| 19:15.05 | ajavid | ahhh boy |
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| 19:15.20 | ajavid | shit just keeps gettin better and better |
| 19:15.22 | ajavid | *afk* |
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| 19:15.59 | lepine_w | offers ajavid his deepest sympathies |
| 19:16.03 | ajavid | and two days before my birthday |
| 19:16.04 | ajavid | :( |
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| 19:16.17 | ajavid | I get robbed, I mean c'mon... wtf. |
| 19:16.30 | stew | ajavid: try #debian-offtopic or #defocus for social chat |
| 19:16.37 | ajavid | I'm sorry |
| 19:16.42 | ajavid | I'll do that |
| 19:16.49 | batcoder-7 | what can i do to improve my video performance? |
| 19:16.51 | \amethyst | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.53 | \amethyst | doh |
| 19:16.59 | batcoder-7 | the default devbian config is not working too well here |
| 19:17.02 | valdyn | !tell batcoder-7 -about ask |
| 19:17.05 | ajavid | \amethyst, ? |
| 19:17.12 | batcoder-7 | i dont know the issue valdyn |
| 19:17.14 | nsadmin | batcoder-7: throw money at it! |
| 19:17.19 | _psiko | I tried 'aria2' & it doesn't have resume-download function- WTF! |
| 19:17.21 | batcoder-7 | i use the intel drivers |
| 19:17.22 | valdyn | batcoder-7: you dont need to know the issue |
| 19:17.29 | valdyn | batcoder-7: we will tell you the issue if there is one |
| 19:17.41 | batcoder-7 | and firrfox scrolling is slow for many sites when it should not be |
| 19:17.52 | \amethyst | ajavid: I was checking to see if you had a question I could help with |
| 19:17.54 | batcoder-7 | i have used firefox on fedora and it did not have this issue |
| 19:17.59 | valdyn | batcoder-7: thats a firefox issue |
| 19:18.00 | batcoder-7 | just seeems more laggy |
| 19:18.03 | batcoder-7 | no no |
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| 19:18.07 | valdyn | batcoder-7: firefox sucks that way for some sites |
| 19:18.11 | valdyn | batcoder-7: yes it does |
| 19:18.13 | Neaai | Hi all. I have an odd problem with mysql. I did a mysqldump from server1 of all the databases and then took the dump file to server2 and read it there to construct the databases. Now server2 refuses to stop or start mysqld. I think there's something to do with a password of the user debian-sys-maint but I'm not sure. Any advice ? |
| 19:18.14 | batcoder-7 | same website same firefox version different distros ;) |
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| 19:18.26 | batcoder-7 | i now it sucks that way for some sites |
| 19:18.30 | batcoder-7 | trust me this is a video issue |
| 19:18.41 | batcoder-7 | it sucls alot more right now |
| 19:18.49 | dkr | Neaai: read the error log rather than guess what is wrong mysql will likely tell you more specifically |
| 19:19.02 | ajavid | \amethyst, I usually don't have questions, and when I do I actually ask in other debian channels as I usually don't need help with debian |
| 19:19.03 | valdyn | batcoder-7: theres the smooth scrolling switch in firefox, have you used it? |
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| 19:19.13 | lepine_w | I'm following this howto, http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/#step-9-authenticated-smtp ... and postfix is belching on the path of some sasl binary for smtp authentication ... where could that binary be? the howto was written for etch instead of lenny. |
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| 19:19.20 | Neaai | dkr: the file /var/log/mysql.log is empty. There's nothing there. |
| 19:19.21 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, again pretty sure this is a video issue |
| 19:19.23 | yohimbe | [!] SCANNER ON IRC.INTERIRC.ORG [!] |
| 19:19.24 | ajavid | \amethyst, still I'm working on the php5-gtk2 modules :) |
| 19:19.25 | yohimbe | [!] SCANNER ON IRC.INTERIRC.ORG [!] |
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| 19:19.40 | dkr | Neaai: perhaps /var/mysql/soemthing.err? |
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| 19:19.47 | dkr | er, /var/lib/mysql |
| 19:19.49 | ajavid | \amethyst, but uhm... looks like all my work was lost |
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| 19:19.51 | valdyn | batcoder-7: if ff can scroll some sites, and not scroll other sites, then its a firefox issue |
| 19:20.06 | ajavid | \amethyst, all my translation work on d-i, over the past few months, gone. |
| 19:20.08 | batcoder-7 | it would not seem that way |
| 19:20.12 | batcoder-7 | would seem but its not |
| 19:20.22 | batcoder-7 | something triggers more video rendering or something |
| 19:20.27 | batcoder-7 | it works fine in fedora |
| 19:20.31 | batcoder-7 | woth same firefox |
| 19:20.34 | Neaai | dkr: /var/log/mysql.err is also empty, zero length. |
| 19:20.35 | batcoder-7 | with* |
| 19:20.39 | \amethyst | ajavid: :( nothing in a repository anywhere? |
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| 19:20.42 | ajavid | I should have comitted |
| 19:20.45 | \amethyst | ajavid: :( |
| 19:20.46 | valdyn | batcoder-7: so just answer the question, check the smooth scroll switch in both installations |
| 19:20.47 | ajavid | no man.. I wasn't ready to commit yet |
| 19:20.57 | dkr | Neaai: what is the message exactly when you try /etc/init.d/mysql start? |
| 19:20.57 | batcoder-7 | how do you turn it off valdyn ? |
| 19:20.58 | [SpA]SaintK | ok thanks valdyn, going to research again |
| 19:21.31 | ajavid | \amethyst, just hope and pray that they find my machines, though it is unlikely :( |
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| 19:21.38 | valdyn | batcoder-7: looking.. |
| 19:21.39 | Neaai | dkr: when I try to stop it, it gives: Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed! |
| 19:21.55 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, i can't find it either |
| 19:21.56 | ajavid | anyway, I have better skills now in making packages etc, so it won't be too long before I churn out php5-gtk2 |
| 19:22.07 | lxsameer | how can i force apt-get to do an action? |
| 19:22.09 | ajavid | so not all is lost I suppose |
| 19:22.10 | Neaai | dkr: when I try to start it, it says: error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 19:22.30 | valdyn | batcoder-7: go to "about:config", check the key "general.smoothScroll" |
| 19:22.31 | dkr | Neaai: is it actually running now? you were copying the data dir while it was running? |
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| 19:23.04 | hoth_ | Does anyone know, if there is a backport planned in lenny for mysql 5.1 |
| 19:23.07 | dkr | Neaai: oh, sorry, not copy, you used a dump. I see |
| 19:23.16 | Neaai | dkr: not copying the datadir. I did a dump at serverA and then read that with "mysql -p < databases.sql" at serverB |
| 19:23.18 | batcoder-7 | its off valdyn |
| 19:23.28 | valdyn | batcoder-7: in both installations? |
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| 19:23.39 | batcoder-7 | i can't check the fedora right now |
| 19:23.41 | batcoder-7 | hmm |
| 19:23.54 | valdyn | batcoder-7: so just change the setting and try |
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| 19:24.04 | dkr | Neaai: and the dump included the mysql databse. yeah, hrm, ah, liekly you need to do mysqladmin flush-privileges |
| 19:24.18 | Neaai | dkr: ok. I'll do that. |
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| 19:24.39 | batcoder-7 | did not fix it valdyn |
| 19:24.45 | valdyn | batcoder-7: and check if sites that scroll bad use flash where the sites that scroll nicely do not have flash |
| 19:24.45 | batcoder-7 | but smooth scrolling is nice heheh |
| 19:25.02 | batcoder-7 | its something to do with the background images i think |
| 19:26.15 | batcoder-7 | facebook is really bad valdyn |
| 19:27.03 | valdyn | i cant even log into facebook because of "site maintenance", how can you? |
| 19:27.11 | batcoder-7 | not now |
| 19:27.19 | batcoder-7 | just ever since i am on debian |
| 19:27.21 | valdyn | batcoder-7: so you cant test it right now... |
| 19:27.23 | batcoder-7 | its not even usable |
| 19:27.24 | gewt | facebook > myspace |
| 19:27.31 | gewt | atleast facebook isn't hosted on IIS. |
| 19:27.33 | CuteAlien | hm, has anyone else the feeling that linking on lenny takes rather long? I switched to lenny last weekend - and for some reason linking with gcc suddenly takes minutes for stuff that should take seconds. |
| 19:27.34 | batcoder-7 | myspace is horrible |
| 19:27.43 | Neaai | dkr: well. Still the same thing. Is there any way to reset the password of debian-sys-maint ? I see an entry at /etc/mysql/debian.cnf which stands: password = dypGSERJMVj7IC59 |
| 19:27.46 | valdyn | batcoder-7: do your tests now, i cant use old results |
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| 19:28.01 | Neaai | dkr: but that file says DONT TOUCH |
| 19:28.04 | valdyn | batcoder-7: on a site that is up right now.. |
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| 19:28.18 | batcoder-7 | facebook lets me log in just fine |
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| 19:28.48 | batcoder-7 | scrolling takes a crazy ammount of time too |
| 19:28.48 | valdyn | ah, its ok now |
| 19:28.57 | batcoder-7 | smooth scrolling makes it worse |
| 19:28.57 | scimmia | hi, I would like to recover a system, that is on a lvm disk and I would need to chroot into it... |
| 19:29.11 | valdyn | batcoder-7: does your fedora box have the same intel chipset? |
| 19:29.26 | scimmia | but I got an error when I give chroot /dev/V..... oldroot |
| 19:29.26 | batcoder-7 | yes |
| 19:29.28 | LynuxDevil | can Jigdo update ISO images from the original version to a newer revision of the original? |
| 19:29.32 | scimmia | from a live cd i mean |
| 19:29.39 | valdyn | batcoder-7: paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a paste site |
| 19:29.40 | valdyn | !paste |
| 19:29.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 19:29.44 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, these intel drivers are known to have issues if not configured properly |
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| 19:30.05 | valdyn | batcoder-7: thats valid for about everything |
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| 19:30.18 | valdyn | batcoder-7: i want to see that file for just that reason however |
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| 19:32.03 | rdz | hi all. i just discovered the package 'read-edid', whih can obtain EDID data from monitors. it also converts the binary EDID data to human readable text. i would like to manually edit/create an EDID file, so that it can be referenced in xorg.conf. is there a way to convert the human-readable textfile back to a binary EDID file? |
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| 19:32.41 | valdyn | rdz: why? you can also set the human readable values in xorg.conf |
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| 19:33.05 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/d4c7762a5 |
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| 19:34.07 | batcoder-7 | any ideas here would be great |
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| 19:35.04 | lepine_w | Where does postfix store the auth binary in lenny? |
| 19:35.07 | rdz | valdyn, hm.. it are you sure? somehow everything that i set to xorg.conf seems to be ignored. i already tried the option 'option CustomEDID:path' in the device section with a binary edid file, i got somewhere and it is actually read.. so i would like to go this route, just because it seems promising.. (whie the editing xorg.conf one is not) |
| 19:35.13 | lepine_w | it's not in /var/spool/postfix/private |
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| 19:35.56 | rdz | valdyn, besides the possibility to do directly in the xorg.conf: is there a way to create an EDID file manually? |
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| 19:36.47 | valdyn | rdz: no idea |
| 19:36.59 | rdz | valdyn, ok.. thanks |
| 19:38.05 | firefox | So.... Nub question possibly. Goggle has failed me so I have to ask. I upgraded etch to lenny. It was kind of a pain because a few things broke, nothing to bad though. and I found some cool things... the problem is, my wireless goes out intermittently . I also have a webcam for secruity that I keep running, and it will disconnect to. after checking out wifi0_rename and the webcam... everying seems to be pointing back to udev.. and it |
| 19:38.05 | firefox | its happening to eth>>lenny upgrades... anything I can do? |
| 19:38.20 | myeggo | hello, where can i manage the programs at startup? |
| 19:38.26 | valdyn | batcoder-7: its fine, you probably could switch to the old XAA acceleration, but I doubt that would do any good |
| 19:38.33 | abrotman | myeggo: rcconf |
| 19:38.46 | valdyn | batcoder-7: however latest fedora might use the new work going into drivers and kernel lately |
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| 19:39.33 | myeggo | oh thx |
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| 19:40.19 | firefox | how to reconfigure udev |
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| 19:40.30 | firefox | opps wrong panel haha |
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| 19:41.01 | axz | Hi there. i need some help with my Geforce drivers, is there way to install them from terminal? |
| 19:41.06 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, even kubuntu it worked like perfectly |
| 19:41.13 | batcoder-7 | xubuntu sorry |
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| 19:41.18 | Flumdahl | !noipv6 |
| 19:41.19 | dpkg | noipv6 is probably echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 19:41.33 | valdyn | batcoder-7: which debian release is this? |
| 19:41.36 | axz | !nvidia |
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| 19:41.51 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, lenny |
| 19:42.14 | valdyn | batcoder-7: glxinfo | grep -i direct gives what? |
| 19:42.19 | wrench- | i have a system running etch and when i do an "apt-get upgrade" it always says "The following packages have been kept back: openssh-client openssh-server" |
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| 19:42.33 | valentin__ | How can i install debian on a server via ssh? |
| 19:42.37 | batcoder-7 | command not found ;) |
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| 19:43.09 | valdyn | batcoder-7: paste the list of packages it wants to install when you run "aptitude install xorg" on a paste site |
| 19:43.16 | valdyn | batcoder-7: mind, im not asking you to install anything yet |
| 19:43.28 | jpinx | valentin__: see the debian.org website for methods of installing - including remote |
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| 19:43.36 | valdyn | batcoder-7: glxinfo is in mesa-utils |
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| 19:43.43 | jelly | wrench-: yes, you'll need to dist-upgrade for those (or do an explicit apt-get install openssh-server, for example) |
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| 19:44.07 | flaviotruzzi | anyone can paste a source.list of lenny RC2 ? mine is corrupted someway |
| 19:44.08 | batcoder-7 | i alreafdy have all of xorg |
| 19:44.08 | wrench- | jelly, why is that? just curious ;-) |
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| 19:44.21 | wrench- | they're already installed |
| 19:44.26 | wrench- | why can't they be "upgraded" |
| 19:44.32 | jelly | wrench-: there was a security issue that forced additional dependencies |
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| 19:44.43 | wrench- | oh |
| 19:44.51 | wrench- | i see |
| 19:44.53 | wrench- | that makes sense |
| 19:45.00 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, direct rendering - yes |
| 19:45.04 | wrench- | so i'm running etch... what comes after etch? |
| 19:45.14 | valdyn | batcoder-7: everything seems fine |
| 19:45.17 | stew | wrench-: lenny |
| 19:45.21 | flaviotruzzi | anyone can paste a source.list of lenny RC2 ? mine is corrupted someway |
| 19:45.21 | nsadmin | sketch! |
| 19:45.25 | stew | wrench-: (see the /topic) |
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| 19:45.32 | jelly | wrench-: lenny, but lenny's not the reason your packages are kept back |
| 19:45.32 | Federico2 | bye |
| 19:45.38 | wrench- | stew, ah yes... thanks ;-) |
| 19:45.40 | valdyn | batcoder-7: using compiz or composite is probably not whats slowing you down so |
| 19:45.40 | stew | flaviotruzzi: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 19:45.41 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, yea until i use fedora or xubuntu and my firefox scrolling on those sites that dont work well at all works really good ;) |
| 19:45.54 | wrench- | is the upgrade pretty painless? |
| 19:45.55 | valdyn | batcoder-7: its possible that both fedora and xubuntu use a better / different driver |
| 19:46.01 | batcoder-7 | hmmm |
| 19:46.04 | firefox | wrench-: I just went through the upgrade... had a few problems... still way worth it. I am loving everything so far |
| 19:46.05 | jelly | wrench-: if you do apt-get install openssh-server like suggested, new dependencies will be picked up by apt. |
| 19:46.15 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, i would think they would use the samething |
| 19:46.24 | nsadmin | flaviotruzzi lenny rc2 is not available, because lenny has been released... |
| 19:46.30 | firefox | wrench-: apt-get -f install , that might work to |
| 19:46.51 | valdyn | batcoder-7: if you had their logfile i could compare the versions |
| 19:47.20 | batcoder-7 | does xubuntu use debian paclages? |
| 19:47.24 | wrench- | will installing the new openssh-server clobber my sshd config? |
| 19:47.34 | valdyn | batcoder-7: no, it uses ubuntu packages |
| 19:47.43 | jelly | wrench-: no |
| 19:47.47 | batcoder-7 | whcih are usualyy from debian right? |
| 19:47.51 | valdyn | batcoder-7: but that is not the point, debian provides more than just debian/stable |
| 19:47.52 | wrench- | jelly, ok thanks guys |
| 19:47.53 | jelly | wrench-: it might clobber your host keys |
| 19:48.01 | wrench- | i'll back those up ;-) |
| 19:48.04 | flaviotruzzi | nsadmin, ok, I was using since RC2 |
| 19:48.12 | jelly | wrench-: no; if they're unsafe, they'll be removed |
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| 19:48.17 | jelly | wrench-: er, replaced. |
| 19:48.18 | wrench- | oh, ok |
| 19:48.20 | wrench- | i see |
| 19:48.28 | wrench- | thanks guys for the help |
| 19:48.31 | wrench- | new to debian and all |
| 19:48.38 | valdyn | batcoder-7: you *can* install newer drivers on that system, but its risky, some work, and we have no indicator at all yet that it would help anything |
| 19:48.39 | wrench- | appreciate the guidance |
| 19:48.41 | nsadmin | flaviotruzzi: if you upgrade now, you should get the released version o flenny |
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| 19:49.08 | jelly | wrench-: /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
| 19:49.11 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, i know. i would say oh yea its just fiefox if i didnt use the same firefox on xubuntu and fedoraa |
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| 19:49.16 | batcoder-7 | its the video for sure |
| 19:49.20 | flaviotruzzi | nsadmin, flenny? Oo ,... aptitude , it says that i have only things to remove... |
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| 19:49.35 | KDE4000 | 10 Mar 19:47:50 ntpdate[7193]: step-systime: Operation not permitted |
| 19:49.36 | KDE4000 | :o |
| 19:49.44 | valdyn | batcoder-7: so get the logfiles |
| 19:50.03 | jelly | KDE4000: is an ntp server already running? |
| 19:50.09 | wrench- | jelly, cool... thanks ;-) |
| 19:50.11 | KDE4000 | jelly: i quit it |
| 19:50.21 | nsadmin | KDE4000: who are you running ntpdate as? |
| 19:50.25 | KDE4000 | root |
| 19:50.31 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 19:50.37 | KDE4000 | its working on one of my debian servers, not the other |
| 19:50.42 | valdyn | batcoder-7: ah, i got some thing that is easy |
| 19:50.45 | KDE4000 | 4.0 on all of them |
| 19:50.47 | jelly | KDE4000: uname -r? |
| 19:50.53 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, huh? |
| 19:51.00 | valdyn | batcoder-7: run "MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=1 firefox" |
| 19:51.01 | KDE4000 | 2.6.18-92.1.18.el5.028stab060.2PAE |
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| 19:51.23 | nsadmin | why does gtk depend on pango? |
| 19:51.26 | jelly | KDE4000: that's an openvz / virtuozzo virtual machine? |
| 19:51.34 | firefox | lol... why did mozilla have to still my handle aftr I had been using it for 15 years shakes fist at firefox dang you for being so yummy Firefox(the web browser) |
| 19:51.38 | valdyn | nsadmin: because pango renders the fonts |
| 19:51.39 | KDE4000 | jelly: yes |
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| 19:51.50 | jelly | KDE4000: you don't have access to real hardware then |
| 19:51.59 | KDE4000 | jelly, so how can i set the time? |
| 19:52.04 | jelly | KDE4000: tell your provider to fix the clock, I guess |
| 19:52.08 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 19:52.10 | KDE4000 | i have another server on XEN and i can set the time |
| 19:52.13 | KDE4000 | k |
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| 19:52.32 | OpenTokix | Xen vill not let your change time with ntp |
| 19:52.37 | OpenTokix | xen will always get time from the dom0 |
| 19:52.39 | OpenTokix | btw. |
| 19:52.45 | jelly | KDE4000: virtuozzo is more like an improved chroot than a real machine |
| 19:52.49 | OpenTokix | it will set it for a while, and then flip back from the dom0 |
| 19:52.58 | nsadmin | so the dom0 should be runnign a broadcast ntp? |
| 19:53.07 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, still a no go |
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| 19:53.53 | OpenTokix | no |
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| 19:53.58 | OpenTokix | just run normal ntp on the dom0 |
| 19:54.02 | OpenTokix | all the domus will get time from dom0 |
| 19:54.14 | valdyn | batcoder-7: ok, the 2nd easy thing is using the xaa acceleration instead, Option "AccelMethod" "exa" |
| 19:54.24 | nsadmin | OpenTokix by what mechanism, out of curiousity? |
| 19:54.26 | jelly | OpenTokix: what if one wants to fake a different time in a domu! :-> |
| 19:54.35 | batcoder-7 | where do i put that at? valdyn ? |
| 19:54.44 | OpenTokix | nsadmin: I think it simulates the hw-clock - not sure |
| 19:54.51 | OpenTokix | jelly: time zones? |
| 19:55.02 | OpenTokix | jelly: I dont know, It thinks it sucks =) |
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| 19:55.08 | jelly | OpenTokix: no, date --set '+1 month' or anything |
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| 19:55.15 | OpenTokix | jelly: Not that I know it |
| 19:55.18 | OpenTokix | -it |
| 19:55.19 | wrench- | i have another debian system on which /etc/issue says "testing/unstable" |
| 19:55.21 | OpenTokix | +of |
| 19:55.22 | KDE4000 | jelly: k |
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| 19:55.33 | wrench- | can i get that "upgraded" to etch somehow? |
| 19:55.46 | wrench- | it is running the same kernel as my etch system |
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| 19:55.59 | nsadmin | wrench-: was it etch when etch was testing? |
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| 19:56.10 | wrench- | nsadmin: i have no idea unfortunately |
| 19:56.13 | jelly | wrench-: which libc6 version do you have there? |
| 19:56.19 | wrench- | let me check |
| 19:56.34 | nsadmin | what's that one-liner that identifies which libc |
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| 19:56.42 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, where do i put that? |
| 19:56.43 | wrench- | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-4 |
| 19:56.56 | wrench- | compares w/etch system |
| 19:56.56 | ajavid | nsadmin, identifies? |
| 19:56.59 | jelly | wrench-: that's nice, a pre-release etch libc6 |
| 19:57.09 | ajavid | apt-cache policy libc6? |
| 19:57.13 | valdyn | batcoder-7: http://pastebin.com/m5ea50c68, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, make a new device section ( = paste the whole thing ) if it does not exist |
| 19:57.25 | ajavid | nsadmin, ? |
| 19:57.30 | nsadmin | ok, so he should upgrade all the way to etch |
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| 19:57.39 | wrench- | jelly, so is that good? ;-) |
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| 19:57.56 | jelly | wrench-: it is likely you'll be able to put etch in your sources.list and sync that system to etch first. |
| 19:58.02 | nsadmin | wrench-: could you show the command you used to produce the libc verstion? |
| 19:58.12 | jelly | nsadmin: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 19:58.13 | wrench- | dpkg --list | grep -i libc6 |
| 19:58.13 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, wrench- |
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| 19:58.25 | abrotman | wrench-: dpkg -l libc6 ? |
| 19:58.33 | jelly | nsadmin: /msg dpkg version |
| 19:58.51 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, i thought it was ema? |
| 19:58.55 | batcoder-7 | you put xaa ? |
| 19:59.06 | wrench- | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:59.18 | valdyn | batcoder-7: you are currently using "EXA", you can try if "XAA" works better |
| 19:59.29 | jelly | batcoder-7: Section "Device" |
| 19:59.33 | batcoder-7 | ah |
| 19:59.41 | batcoder-7 | do i need to restart my computer? |
| 19:59.47 | jelly | just X |
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| 19:59.51 | valdyn | batcoder-7: no, just restart X |
| 19:59.55 | batcoder-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.58 | valdyn | batcoder-7: ctrl-alt-backspace quits X |
| 20:00.09 | nsadmin | wrench-: ok, could you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:00.22 | ajavid | is there a way to restart X from command line while not having a DM |
| 20:00.24 | wrench- | nsadmin: sure thing, one sec |
| 20:00.26 | nsadmin | and do you want to upgrade to released etch? |
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| 20:00.39 | ajavid | ie. not using /etc/init.d/*dm start|stop |
| 20:00.46 | ajavid | but still being able to restart X via commandline somehow? |
| 20:00.49 | wrench- | nsadmin: yes, i'd like to get this running a "stable" release |
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| 20:00.53 | jelly | ajavid: not having a DM means there's nothing to restart it after it dies |
| 20:00.58 | ajavid | jelly, ahhh |
| 20:01.04 | wrench- | the other debian system's are all etch, so i'll stick with that for now |
| 20:01.12 | ajavid | makes sense |
| 20:01.20 | wrench- | nsadmin: your preferred pastebin site? |
| 20:01.22 | nsadmin | wrench-: ok, so first two steps... get etch uptodate, then upgrade kernel |
| 20:01.25 | jelly | !paste |
| 20:01.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 20:01.29 | ajavid | pastie.org |
| 20:01.34 | ajavid | or paste.debian.net |
| 20:01.36 | nsadmin | wrench-: I kinda like... |
| 20:01.42 | nsadmin | !pastebin pipe |
| 20:01.42 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
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| 20:02.18 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, that fixed it |
| 20:02.24 | nsadmin | but any one you like; I like that when I paste |
| 20:02.27 | valdyn | batcoder-7: ok, neat |
| 20:02.30 | batcoder-7 | still not baby butter smooth |
| 20:02.34 | batcoder-7 | but good enough |
| 20:02.48 | valdyn | batcoder-7: you can switch smoothscroll off yet |
| 20:02.58 | jelly | there's butter made of babies? o.O |
| 20:03.04 | batcoder-7 | yea i switched that off |
| 20:03.39 | firefox | jelly: would you like to buy some? |
| 20:03.59 | batcoder-7 | lol |
| 20:04.20 | batcoder-7 | well that was a pretty easy fix thanks again valdyn i was getting really disappointed with that |
| 20:04.32 | batcoder-7 | cause everyone just says oh firefox issue ;) |
| 20:04.40 | wrench- | nsadmin: http://pastebin.ca/1357611 |
| 20:04.43 | batcoder-7 | but i knew the truth |
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| 20:05.34 | jelly | wrench-: fine, but uncomment deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 20:06.01 | nsadmin | ok, wrench-,,, you can apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:06.16 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, that improved alot of things |
| 20:06.17 | jelly | wrench-: if you have aptitude installed, use that instead of apt-get |
| 20:06.26 | nsadmin | that will take you to latest etch |
| 20:06.38 | valdyn | batcoder-7: nice! |
| 20:06.41 | jelly | and hopefully not break too many things |
| 20:07.11 | batcoder-7 | yea hmmm |
| 20:07.11 | valdyn | benchmarks tell exa is fast, but its not fast in to many real cases |
| 20:07.27 | batcoder-7 | this is much much faster |
| 20:07.35 | batcoder-7 | gtl scrolling |
| 20:07.37 | batcoder-7 | gtk |
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| 20:07.54 | funky | mm |
| 20:08.07 | wrench- | jelly, why aptitude instead of apt-get? again, just curious |
| 20:08.08 | batcoder-7 | scrolling in my editor is 2x faster |
| 20:08.11 | jelly | valdyn: EXA visibly improved my i915GM render (xchat fonts), but a later video-intel release pulled it back ;-) |
| 20:08.16 | funky | seems like flash doesn't work properly since yesterday, when pulseaudio was installed on my sid |
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| 20:08.21 | jelly | !tell wrench- -about why aptitude |
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| 20:08.38 | jelly | !tell wrench- -about why not aptitude |
| 20:08.51 | funky | !tell funky about why not aptitude |
| 20:08.56 | funky | !tell funky about why aptitude |
| 20:09.02 | jelly | !selftell |
| 20:09.02 | funky | I personally prefer aptitude |
| 20:09.02 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 20:09.10 | funky | thanks jelly |
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| 20:09.28 | wrench- | pets dpkg |
| 20:09.40 | jelly | wrench-: !botsnack |
| 20:09.44 | Laundry | hi everybody |
| 20:09.48 | wrench- | ahh |
| 20:09.53 | wrench- | !botsnack |
| 20:09.53 | dpkg | wrench-: aw, gee |
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| 20:10.02 | Laundry | i've been trying to install a usb wireless adapter |
| 20:10.09 | tank_ | hi all, got here some problem: lenny netinstall cd, crashes when decompressing linux with crc error - system halted... etch netinstall goes at least till the menu |
| 20:10.11 | Laundry | there is no linux driver, but it works with ndiswrapper |
| 20:10.19 | tank_ | an old knoppix cd here boots also fine |
| 20:10.19 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.20 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.22 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, its almost like i just got a new computer |
| 20:10.25 | funky | *will* |
| 20:10.25 | Laundry | the problem is is that i can't get online to get ndiswrapper |
| 20:10.36 | funky | I think I'll keep using aptitude |
| 20:10.38 | tank_ | anybody an idea what i may do about that? |
| 20:10.40 | funky | + apt-cache |
| 20:10.46 | Laundry | so i tried downloading the source for ndiswrapper |
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| 20:11.00 | jelly | Laundry: no wired internet access nearby? |
| 20:11.01 | Laundry | and i get an error message when i try to install it using make |
| 20:11.16 | Laundry | i have internet on a few other computer |
| 20:11.18 | Laundry | s |
| 20:11.36 | Laundry | if i could get a precompiled binary for ndiswrapper that would be great |
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| 20:11.40 | Laundry | i haven't been able to find one |
| 20:11.48 | Laundry | or just a way to do an offline install |
| 20:11.57 | Laundry | that doesn't error |
| 20:12.06 | Laundry | let me type up the error, one second |
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| 20:12.18 | Linux | hi,when iceweasel 3.0.7 in testing? |
| 20:12.22 | anki1 | hello everyone |
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| 20:14.10 | lxsameer | how can i download a package with its dependencies? |
| 20:14.35 | anki1 | i hav downloaded the cd1 image for lenny . i m running ubuntu. how do i install lenny from my hard disk . my cd drive not working |
| 20:14.38 | nsadmin | Laundry: ndiswrapper involves kernel modules, so you might have to get the ndiswrapper that was built for the kernel you're running |
| 20:14.40 | Laundry | Makefile:34: *** Cannot find kernel version in /lib/modules/2.6.26-1amd64/build, is it configured?. Stop. |
| 20:14.51 | Laundry | that is the error |
| 20:15.12 | Laundry | nsadmin: i don't know where to find any precompiled version |
| 20:15.25 | nsadmin | what's your uname -r? |
| 20:16.04 | Laundry | 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 20:16.05 | jelly | Laundry: you'll need linux-headers-2.6.26-1-amd64 package installed, and build-essential too |
| 20:16.16 | jelly | !ndiswrapper |
| 20:16.16 | dpkg | from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used in Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your device, first consider that instead, for wireless LAN, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) devices are not supported. http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:16.53 | wrench- | oh crap |
| 20:16.54 | valdyn | dpkg: intel slow scrolling is<reply>Switch to XAA acceleration by modifying or adding a device section like http://valdyn.org/xorg-intel-use-xaa in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 20:16.54 | dpkg | valdyn: You are moron #1 |
| 20:16.54 | jelly | Laundry: I guess /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
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| 20:16.57 | valdyn | dpkg: fuck |
| 20:16.57 | dpkg | fuck is probably cool |
| 20:17.09 | valdyn | dpkg: intel slow scrolling is <reply>Switch to XAA acceleration by modifying or adding a device section like http://valdyn.org/xorg-intel-use-xaa in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 20:17.10 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
| 20:17.21 | Laundry | jelly: is it possible to install those with the first debian cd-r |
| 20:17.25 | wrench- | that system on which i just upgraded the openssh-server is acting up |
| 20:17.32 | wrench- | Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer |
| 20:17.38 | wrench- | when i try to ssh to it |
| 20:17.50 | jelly | Laundry: if you're lucky, yes (I've no idea) |
| 20:17.52 | nsadmin | valdyn: you're number one! yay! |
| 20:18.31 | jpinx | valdyn: that link is not working |
| 20:18.59 | valdyn | dpkg: intel slow scrolling = s/http/https/ |
| 20:18.59 | dpkg | valdyn: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 20:19.08 | valdyn | dpkg: intel slow scrolling ~= s/http/https/ |
| 20:19.08 | dpkg | valdyn: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:19.20 | valdyn | for fucks suck |
| 20:19.22 | nsadmin | =~ |
| 20:19.29 | valdyn | dpkg: intel slow scrolling =~ s/http/https/ |
| 20:19.29 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
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| 20:20.03 | wrench- | ugh |
| 20:20.14 | Neaai | can anyone tell me about that mysql failing to start issue? I still get the message: error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 20:20.36 | wrench- | any idea why upgrading the openssh-server package would break the sshd ? |
| 20:20.36 | jpinx | !tell me about intel slow scrolling |
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| 20:20.52 | jelly | wrench-: was sshd restarted? |
| 20:20.54 | wrench- | jpinx: i think it's !selftell |
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| 20:21.12 | Laundry | jelly: ah, well thanks for pointing me in the direction |
| 20:21.19 | jpinx | wrench-: ok |
| 20:21.26 | anki1 | Neaai: is ur mysqld started |
| 20:21.30 | nsadmin | wrench-: how's the rest of that upgrade goign |
| 20:21.32 | jelly | wrench-: your own user keypair might be vulnerable as well if you created it on an etch machine |
| 20:21.41 | wrench- | jelly: i dunno... i did the upgrade in a screen session which i've terminated |
| 20:21.43 | Neaai | anki1: it actually starts in safe mode. |
| 20:21.44 | jpinx | !selftell about intel slow scrolling |
| 20:21.57 | anki1 | Neaai:oops |
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| 20:22.07 | jelly | wrench-: uh, you don't have an active ssh session to the machine any more? |
| 20:22.17 | Neaai | anki1: that message I get is when I do /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 20:22.19 | wrench- | jelly: no :-( |
| 20:22.28 | valdyn | !unix lessons |
| 20:22.28 | dpkg | it has been said that unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 20:22.39 | anki1 | Neaai:you r logging in as root ? |
| 20:22.48 | valdyn | nr 10 is nice! |
| 20:22.52 | Neaai | anki1: now yes. |
| 20:22.59 | jelly | wrench-: are you connecting from another old etch machine? |
| 20:23.10 | stew | Neaai: did you delete the debian-sys-maint user? |
| 20:23.11 | wrench- | jelly: no, a centos system |
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| 20:23.18 | jelly | wrench-: are you using ssh public key authentication? |
| 20:23.32 | anki1 | Neaai: try logging in as a diff user , if u hav |
| 20:23.46 | jelly | wrench-: what does ssh -vv user@remote say? (pastebin) |
| 20:24.00 | dustybin | where is wols these days? |
| 20:24.05 | Neaai | stew: anki1: no. What I did is a freshinstall of mysql at serverB, then made a dump of databases at serverA, and then fed the dumpfile at serverB. |
| 20:24.22 | nsadmin | valdyn: and number 12 should be: don't leave your root shell unattended... |
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| 20:24.37 | stew | Neaai: you need to update /etc/mysql/debian.cnf see /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.debian |
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| 20:24.55 | dustybin | nsadmin: root shell unattended at home doesnt matter |
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| 20:25.29 | nsadmin | dustybin: if you're in your home and it's locked and no one else is there... ok, sure. |
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| 20:25.39 | Neaai | stew: I'll do that. |
| 20:25.46 | wrench- | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/1357622 |
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| 20:26.16 | elijahwright | heh, if i left a root shell open my cat would type commands into it. |
| 20:26.24 | jelly | wrench-: "fuck" |
| 20:26.26 | foetus | hello |
| 20:26.31 | nsadmin | Neaai: you should experiment with postgres... |
| 20:26.35 | wrench- | :-( |
| 20:26.39 | dustybin | if someone cracked my box, and they cracked the user with a screen session what has a root shell, what would happen? |
| 20:26.40 | Fregona | Hi! Do you know which is the package of gnome to show for example a popup when you umount a drive? I have installed gnome-core and i can't find the package name |
| 20:26.50 | jelly | dustybin: anything. |
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| 20:26.57 | dustybin | eekk |
| 20:27.08 | wrench- | dustybin: they'd be root |
| 20:27.12 | dustybin | :o |
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| 20:27.22 | nsadmin | maybe they wouldn't know the screen was there |
| 20:27.22 | valdyn | wrench-: you have mangled key laying around why? |
| 20:27.24 | Neaai | nsadmin: I will but most of the webdesigners I deal with use mysql for their pages. |
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| 20:27.42 | Geek`N`Proud | dustybin: assume you've been screwed 100% |
| 20:27.46 | nsadmin | Neaai: in that case... pass the message along :) |
| 20:28.35 | dustybin | :( |
| 20:28.35 | Geek`N`Proud | boot from a LiveCD and back up any non-executable, non-security-critical documents |
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| 20:28.36 | foetus | question, where can i add global defs except in /etc/profile under debian (i'm not so versatile :)) |
| 20:28.36 | Geek`N`Proud | do not use any databases on there |
| 20:28.36 | Geek`N`Proud | and do not use any config files from it |
| 20:28.43 | jelly | wrench-: what if you moved away your .ssh/known_hosts and retried? |
| 20:28.49 | Geek`N`Proud | or interpreted code, source code, or binaries |
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| 20:29.26 | dustybin | since ive installed lenny ive only had 2 security updates!!! |
| 20:29.34 | Geek`N`Proud | dustybin: that's okay |
| 20:29.37 | jelly | wrench-: I've heard of sshd breaking after that security update, but there's no way to tell how exactly if you've logged off or lost the working connection |
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| 20:29.48 | topgun17 | How does one get a : Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) working under lenny? |
| 20:29.51 | Geek`N`Proud | dustybin: a lot of updates were done during testing - that is the way Debian is *supposed* to be] |
| 20:30.00 | dustybin | ace |
| 20:30.05 | Geek`N`Proud | dustybin: one of them was gnutls right? =] |
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| 20:30.32 | dustybin | what will happen in the future of debian? will apt still be used in 10 years time, or will things evolve? does debian evolve with changed with every release? |
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| 20:30.48 | Geek`N`Proud | apt will still be used |
| 20:30.50 | jelly | che sara, sara |
| 20:30.51 | valdyn | dustybin: aptitude changed alot |
| 20:30.53 | Geek`N`Proud | but it will have differences |
| 20:30.56 | raphael | Hi all. I have a conflict between two package: tzdata and last version of libc6. Removing tzdata will remove 25 essential package ! I'm panicking and hesitating to press the "confirm" button :S |
| 20:30.59 | dustybin | ok |
| 20:31.02 | valdyn | dustybin: in the last 10 years |
| 20:31.06 | Geek`N`Proud | like they will probably take the use of deltas further |
| 20:31.07 | dustybin | jeeeez |
| 20:31.14 | jelly | raphael: then don't! |
| 20:31.26 | stew | raphael: don't remove essential packages, no. |
| 20:31.28 | stew | raphael: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:31.31 | raphael | jelly> but i need libc6 >= 2.7 ! |
| 20:31.34 | raphael | how can i do ? |
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| 20:31.37 | _psiko | If you can predict future, I believe government/wall-street has a LOT of money to offer you |
| 20:31.37 | jelly | raphael: why? |
| 20:31.42 | moshisushi | hello! i talked about this problem earlier, but anyway i still need a solution.. NO packages will be installed by aptitude right now, they all fail with the "No install candidate".. it also says that the package is refe'rred to by another package |
| 20:31.46 | stew | raphael: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:31.51 | raphael | need to build LKM on my 2.6.26 |
| 20:31.56 | raphael | 2.6.26 so |
| 20:31.57 | valdyn | moshisushi: fix your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:32.00 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 20:32.00 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 20:32.09 | Geek`N`Proud | dustybin: keep in mind that apt-get has the lowest RAM overhead out of all the advanced package managers |
| 20:32.17 | valdyn | moshisushi: once its fixed, run apt-get update or aptitude update |
| 20:32.25 | dustybin | i used to float around checking out different distros all the time, but this saying comes to mind "jack of all trades, master of none" |
| 20:32.25 | moshisushi | valdyn: i know, but.. |
| 20:32.28 | Geek`N`Proud | if you can call it a manager XD |
| 20:32.36 | moshisushi | i haven't changed it |
| 20:32.38 | moshisushi | and it worked fine just recently! |
| 20:32.41 | foetus | whats with my question, i'm nervous.. |
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| 20:32.52 | valdyn | moshisushi: i dont care if it worked just recently |
| 20:32.53 | topgun17 | Wghat package would one need to install in orde to get the followin wifi card working : Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)? |
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| 20:33.11 | valdyn | moshisushi: its not working now, if you need help fixing it, you need to paste it on a paste site |
| 20:33.22 | nsadmin | what's new with network-manager for lenny? how do I run it? is it a gui for /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:33.23 | moshisushi | valdyn: ok let's put it this way.. there is nothing new weird in the sources.list file |
| 20:33.24 | jelly | foetus: um, what do you mean by "global defs"? |
| 20:33.26 | valdyn | moshisushi: if your network is broken, then naturally fixing sources.list wont fix that |
| 20:34.11 | raphael | linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686_2.6.26-13_i386.deb depends on linux-kbuild-2.6.26_2.6.26-3_i386.deb witch depends on libc6_2.7-18_i386.deb witch is in conflict with tzdata |
| 20:34.17 | raphael | so i don't know what to do :( |
| 20:34.37 | stew | raphael: what version of debian are you running now? |
| 20:34.38 | foetus | jelly: thanks.. no, i mean something simple, not a script, like ZIPOPT or whatever.. |
| 20:34.56 | nsadmin | raphael: libc 2.7 is maybe lenny or sid |
| 20:34.59 | flaviotruzzi | what I need to put in my sources.list to get audacious!? |
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| 20:35.02 | stew | raphael: i'm guessing that what you should do is to upgrade to debian stable |
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| 20:35.07 | Geek`N`Proud | nsadmin: it's a cute way to deal with the crap that is wireless AND the crap that is PPPo<A|E> |
| 20:35.10 | flaviotruzzi | what I need to put in my sources.list to get audacious or exaile ? |
| 20:35.13 | stew | flaviotruzzi: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:35.24 | nsadmin | what's pppoa? |
| 20:35.25 | flaviotruzzi | stew, lenny |
| 20:35.30 | stew | flaviotruzzi: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 20:35.37 | Geek`N`Proud | PPPoATM == PPPoA |
| 20:35.44 | flaviotruzzi | stew i done that no usable information |
| 20:35.47 | jelly | foetus: I mean "i have no idea what you're talking about" |
| 20:36.00 | jelly | foetus: environment variables? |
| 20:36.02 | stew | dpkg: tell flaviotruzzi about sources.list |
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| 20:36.11 | nsadmin | atm?? you mean that high speed fiber protocol? |
| 20:36.12 | stew | flaviotruzzi: the bot named "dpkg" should have sent you a message |
| 20:36.12 | moshisushi | valdyn: here is my sources.list http://rafb.net/p/e2Bm0582.html |
| 20:36.19 | nsadmin | synchronous? |
| 20:36.23 | raphael | stew> i'm on 4.0. Is it too old ? |
| 20:36.30 | flaviotruzzi | stew, i read that about the example and ftp.us.debian, but its not working |
| 20:36.39 | Geek`N`Proud | nsadmin: depends.. my ADSL connection uses PPPoA as encapsulation |
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| 20:36.51 | VeNoMeN | Lo |
| 20:37.04 | stew | raphael: its no longer current. the current release of debian (5.0) has 2.6.26 as the default kernel. it is recommended that you update: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 20:37.06 | moshisushi | valdyn: and the apt output http://rafb.net/p/dxcg1P97.html |
| 20:37.18 | stew | flaviotruzzi: be more specific than "not working". It should be working |
| 20:37.26 | foetus | jelly: i just wanna insert an option for an app, that will be booted, when the system starts..there is no init.d required |
| 20:37.26 | valdyn | moshisushi: its ok, now whats the output when you run "aptitude update" |
| 20:37.29 | VeNoMeN | Does anyone know if anywhere out there is a web interface where I can setup mailboxes and so on like a Email Provider? |
| 20:37.38 | nsadmin | Geek`N`Proud: does it read/write /etc/network/interfaces? I heard that (at least) previous versions did not |
| 20:37.40 | raphael | stew> all right so... i will do that, no choice |
| 20:37.48 | raphael | stew> thanx! |
| 20:37.51 | stew | raphael: there are other choices |
| 20:37.54 | flaviotruzzi | stew, it dont apears in apt-cache (i updated it) |
| 20:37.56 | valdyn | moshisushi: xmoto is not in lenny, so it cant be available for you atm |
| 20:38.01 | raphael | stew> witch are ? |
| 20:38.01 | stew | raphael: you can also get 2.6.26 from backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:38.10 | Geek`N`Proud | nsadmin: no idea there.. NetworkManager is one of the first things I purge on a fresh install :P |
| 20:38.11 | jelly | foetus: why don't you say exactly what you're trying to do? |
| 20:38.12 | moshisushi | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/4axD1317.html |
| 20:38.14 | flaviotruzzi | stew, i am using main non-free and contrib |
| 20:38.16 | valdyn | moshisushi: oops, sorry, its available |
| 20:38.17 | topgun17 | Wghat package would one need to install in orde to get the followin wifi card working : Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)? |
| 20:38.23 | jelly | foetus: how would you do this thing manually? |
| 20:38.25 | Neaai | nsadmin: stew: I still get this after I updated the debian-sys-maint password. error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 20:38.27 | stew | flaviotruzzi: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy audacious" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:38.31 | nsadmin | Geek`N`Proud: oh... why? curious... |
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| 20:38.35 | raphael | stew> but i'm already under 2.6.26 kernel |
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| 20:38.41 | valdyn | moshisushi: now whats the output for "apt-cache policy xmoto" now? |
| 20:38.44 | moshisushi | valdyn: i took xmoto as an example because i just uninstalled it |
| 20:38.50 | moshisushi | i've tried nmap and erlang too |
| 20:39.07 | moshisushi | .. two other packages that sould exist but doesn't work |
| 20:39.09 | axz | How to install Nvidia GeForce drivers in terminal? |
| 20:39.12 | stew | raphael: ok. so what are you trying to do? |
| 20:39.14 | nsadmin | raphael: quite probably, the one you have has dependencies to later debians |
| 20:39.18 | \amethyst | Neaai: id you do flush privileges after that? |
| 20:39.18 | Geek`N`Proud | nsadmin: because ifup (w/ /etc/network/interfaces) or a straight up route add + ifconfig works better for me |
| 20:39.36 | foetus | jelly: i just wonna set an option like ZIPOPT="-fz-" ; export ZIPOPT in another file then /etc/profile..understand? |
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| 20:39.40 | moshisushi | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/xTPdJd75.html |
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| 20:39.43 | nsadmin | Geek`N`Proud: ok, preference issue./ |
| 20:39.54 | dustybin | hacks into \amethyst and downloads his brain |
| 20:39.59 | jelly | foetus: ok. so that IS an environment variable. |
| 20:40.05 | flaviotruzzi | stew, http://paste.debian.net/30280/ |
| 20:40.06 | stew | raphael: it seems like what you are doing is trying to install a package compiled for a different version of debian. backports.org would have the same package compiled for your version of debian |
| 20:40.07 | raphael | stew> i'm trying to build a LKM for 2.6.26, so i need 2.6.26 headers, and they are conflicting |
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| 20:40.12 | foetus | jelly: yes. |
| 20:40.15 | jelly | foetus: /etc/environment is what you're looking for. |
| 20:40.16 | Geek`N`Proud | nsadmin: also my router has no DHCP on the go.. without the automation.. what is the point in it? |
| 20:40.16 | Neaai | \amethyst: yes I did. |
| 20:40.26 | raphael | stew> how okey ! |
| 20:40.28 | stew | raphael: becuase you are trying to install the headers from stable, and you are running oldstable |
| 20:40.29 | valdyn | moshisushi: what did you mess with in /etc/apt/ ? |
| 20:40.36 | nsadmin | see I'm curious about it now because I'm hearing noises that suggest it has become aware of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:40.44 | raphael | stew> seeking around that, thanx |
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| 20:41.24 | stew | flaviotruzzi: you need to add a debian main mirror, all you have is security.debian.org, you don't have the ftp.us.debian.org you said you had: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 20:41.30 | moshisushi | valdyn: what i messed with?? |
| 20:41.30 | moshisushi | nothing |
| 20:41.32 | jelly | !tell foetus -about man environment |
| 20:41.36 | foetus | jelly: ah, and i just have to insert an file with the environment variable into? |
| 20:41.56 | moshisushi | valdyn: what do you mean :) ? |
| 20:42.03 | flaviotruzzi | stew thats the problem ftp.us.debian.org is on my sources.list |
| 20:42.04 | valdyn | moshisushi: does the file /etc/apt/preferences exist? |
| 20:42.04 | stew | raphael: what version of linux-kernel-2.6.26-1-686 do you have installed? |
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| 20:42.07 | flaviotruzzi | let me paste it steven_ |
| 20:42.10 | flaviotruzzi | stew, |
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| 20:42.14 | stew | flaviotruzzi: then run apt-get update or aptitude update |
| 20:42.18 | Geek`N`Proud | nsadmin: it probably has.. there's no way Debian would ship something that interferes with "The Debian Way" :P |
| 20:42.23 | jelly | foetus: the bot should have sent you a private message, read it |
| 20:42.44 | flaviotruzzi | stew i run and nothing, thats my point >.< |
| 20:42.52 | flaviotruzzi | stew, http://paste.debian.net/30281/ |
| 20:42.54 | moshisushi | valdyn: BANG, thanks :D |
| 20:43.00 | moshisushi | it existed, and there was shit in it |
| 20:43.04 | moshisushi | old backports crap |
| 20:43.10 | moshisushi | thanks alot man! |
| 20:43.21 | raphael | stew> didn't you telle it ? are were you speaking a bout kernel headers ? |
| 20:43.24 | moshisushi | got rid of it, aptitude updated, and now it's working fine |
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| 20:43.40 | foetus | jelly: no, its filtered, sorry.. |
| 20:43.46 | stew | flaviotruzzi: ftp.us.debian.org doesn't show up in the output of "apt-cache policy" so either it isn't in sources.list or you haven't yet run apt-get update |
| 20:43.59 | stew | raphael: what do you mean? |
| 20:44.01 | jelly | foetus: well, unfilter it. /msg dpkg man environment |
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| 20:44.18 | stew | raphael: i want to know what version of the linux-kernel-2.6.26-1-686 package you currently have installed |
| 20:44.34 | flaviotruzzi | stew I will paste everything, with timestamp so u cant say that i didnt run something or not |
| 20:44.37 | moshisushi | valdyn: yep, works now! |
| 20:44.48 | jelly | foetus: just put BLAH="whatever" there. no export or anything else, just FOO=bar. |
| 20:44.49 | nsadmin | raphael: the situation is a bit complex... if you want to hear the long explanation, ask... but the short, somewhat uninformative version is: you should replace your present kernel with the one from backports or from etch and a half |
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| 20:45.35 | nsadmin | then, the headers you need should come for that version which will have dependencies that are within your etch |
| 20:45.45 | wrench- | jelly: yeah... it was that update |
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| 20:45.52 | raphael | nsadmin> i understand |
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| 20:45.54 | wrench- | man 1 ssh-vulnkey |
| 20:45.56 | wrench- | ;-) |
| 20:46.08 | Geek`N`Proud | raphael: you could just upgrade to lenny though :P |
| 20:46.29 | foetus | jelly: thanks, jelly, thanks alot!..and sorry for the action :)solved |
| 20:46.36 | wrench- | jelly: all fixed now ;-) |
| 20:46.38 | nsadmin | raphael: one side issue, is that libc-2.7 is not the one you can use with etch |
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| 20:47.15 | Kuifje111 | hello all |
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| 20:47.28 | flaviotruzzi | stew, when I run update I get errors like: Err http: lenny Release.gp do you know what this mean? |
| 20:47.29 | nsadmin | and libc pretty much powers your whole installation... so it's very important that the versions match up |
| 20:47.32 | Kuifje111 | why is it sometimes necessary to insert the install disc when using apt-get install? |
| 20:47.42 | stew | flaviotruzzi: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 20:47.50 | flaviotruzzi | stew ok |
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| 20:48.08 | stew | flaviotruzzi: oh |
| 20:48.14 | stew | flaviotruzzi: http:/ftp.us.debian.org/debian should be http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 20:48.17 | stew | flaviotruzzi: missing a slash |
| 20:48.17 | raphael | sorry for the response time, but i need to translate all english expression i don't understand |
| 20:48.18 | nsadmin | granted, this is a situation created by how debian does things... you'll have to decide if that kind of restriction bothers you |
| 20:48.36 | Kuifje111 | is there a way to prevent the need of inserting the CD every time apt-get requires it? |
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| 20:48.53 | stew | Kuifje111: remove the cd line from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:49.03 | flaviotruzzi | stew, ---__---, sorry for that :/ |
| 20:49.14 | Kuifje111 | why does it require the CD at certain points? |
| 20:49.18 | flaviotruzzi | thanks a lot stew |
| 20:49.18 | nsadmin | Kuifje111: redo your /etc/apt/sources.list so it doesn't depend on the cd? |
| 20:49.26 | Kuifje111 | or is it just an alternative for http? |
| 20:49.39 | nsadmin | Kuifje111: look at your file |
| 20:49.41 | stew | Kuifje111: its just an alternative. you can remove the cd source if you don't want to use the cd |
| 20:49.47 | Kuifje111 | ok, thanks |
| 20:49.48 | nsadmin | it answers that question |
| 20:49.59 | Kuifje111 | thanks for the help |
| 20:50.32 | nsadmin | the point of sources.list is to be a collection of many sources for packages... the cd being one of those, if you want it to be |
| 20:50.47 | Neaai | \amethyst: stew: nsadmin: oh well. After all the tries with the passwords and all, I did: dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 . It asked me to give anew the password for "root" and that was it. Now the start|stop functions properly. |
| 20:51.42 | mwic | If anyone's got rubygems + capistrano working in Etch, plz have a look at a thread of mine: |
| 20:51.42 | mwic | http://groups.google.com/group/capistrano/browse_thread/thread/18d1b135f46b58ff |
| 20:51.45 | nsadmin | Neaai: excellent... I still say you and the web guys you work with should play with postgres |
| 20:52.30 | Neaai | nsadmin: I will see to advice them for that yea. :) |
| 20:54.02 | nsadmin | Neaai: one thing it provides you might be interested in... are ways to let you author transactions and constraints such that the database will refuse to allow any alteration to happen that would corrupt the data |
| 20:54.20 | nsadmin | iirc, mysql is still fairly weak at that |
| 20:54.39 | Neaai | nsadmin: well. I will write this down and quote you on that |
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| 20:54.52 | Misterjos | whats the magic trick to play avi files with vlc in lenny? |
| 20:55.32 | nsadmin | Misterjos: if available to vlc, you would make sure it has avi codec available |
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| 20:55.52 | topgun17 | \/quit |
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| 20:56.07 | edju | how to find the last time updatedb was run? |
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| 20:56.38 | nsadmin | edju: look at the timestamp of the file(s) updatedb alters |
| 20:56.39 | Misterjos | vlc plays the avi file but doesn't show the video, only plays audio nsadmin |
| 20:56.56 | nima0102 | on my debian, syslog daemon does not log "kern.warn" to "specified path" |
| 20:56.56 | Quiksilve | I have a server at softlayer, and my question is if its possible that linux change the order of disks without a reason? actually /dev/sdc was /dev/sdb, actually /dev/sda was /dev/sdc, actually /dev/sdb was /dev/sda |
| 20:56.56 | Quiksilve | i mean, do you guys think that is possible that they have touched in my disks? after did something with them, have put back in the wrong order? or this things can happen in linux without reason? |
| 20:57.01 | jelly | Misterjos: dpkg -s libc6 vlc |tail -2 |
| 20:57.10 | nsadmin | Misterjos: perhaps it says why somewhere? |
| 20:57.12 | valdyn | Misterjos: is the ffmpeg package installed? |
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| 20:57.15 | jelly | Misterjos: sorry, make that dpkg -l libc6 vlc |tail -2 |
| 20:57.43 | Misterjos | yes valdyn |
| 20:57.48 | Misterjos | i'll try that jelly |
| 20:57.55 | valdyn | Misterjos: are you using the debian multimedia repo? |
| 20:58.02 | Misterjos | yes |
| 20:58.16 | valdyn | Misterjos: can mplayer play that file? |
| 20:58.16 | jelly | Misterjos: paste that output here, that's just to help use figure out which versions you use |
| 20:58.20 | nsadmin | Quiksilve: it could have happened, yes. there's this newer thing called uuids that you should look into |
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| 20:58.54 | valdyn | Misterjos: if it can, paste the output of mplayer on a paste site |
| 20:58.55 | mohadib | did pidgin stop working with icq for anyone else today? |
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| 20:59.05 | Misterjos | kaffeine does play it valdyn, with audio and video, i dont really use mplayer, i prefer vlc usually |
| 20:59.08 | valdyn | mohadib: yesterday already |
| 20:59.15 | ringo999 | i just connected a firewire hd to my laptop, what is the best practice procedure of mounting it form the shell? |
| 20:59.19 | jelly | mohadib: icq updated their protocol, people said Miranda stopped working as well |
| 20:59.35 | valdyn | mohadib: you need the latest pidgin from sid |
| 20:59.42 | jpinx | mohadib: several outs with pidgin here too |
| 20:59.44 | Misterjos | ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries ii vlc 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 multimedia player and streamer |
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| 21:00.01 | mohadib | ok, thank you all |
| 21:00.17 | nsadmin | Quiksilve, /msg dpkg uuid |
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| 21:00.38 | jpinx | looks for a more recent pidgin in backports for lenny |
| 21:00.55 | Quiksilve | ok thanks guys |
| 21:00.56 | nsadmin | is there a uuid howto other than that factoid |
| 21:01.01 | lxsameer | how can i change the default login manager |
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| 21:01.08 | valdyn | !nodm |
| 21:01.08 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 21:01.21 | valdyn | lxsameer: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 21:01.34 | valdyn | lxsameer: or run dpkg-reconfigure <favouritedm> |
| 21:01.42 | valdyn | lxsameer: or just install your favourite dm if its not installed |
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| 21:02.08 | lxsameer | thanks |
| 21:02.14 | jelly | Misterjos: is libavcodec51 package installed? |
| 21:02.22 | nima0102 | on my debian, syslog daemon does not log "kern.warn" to "specified path" |
| 21:02.52 | valdyn | nima0102: so your /var/log/kern.log is empty? |
| 21:02.52 | Misterjos | yes jelly |
| 21:03.46 | ringo999 | when mounting an external harddrive, how can I figure out what filetype to mount? |
| 21:03.49 | lxsameer | i can't download packages with apt-get install -d packagename , apt say that download finished but i don't get any thing in /var/cache/apt/archives . why?why? |
| 21:03.57 | Misterjos | when i start avi file with vlc in console i get this: [00000301] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `XVID'. VLC probably does not support this sound or video format. [00000273] main playlist: stopping playback |
| 21:04.06 | nima0102 | valdyn: since I have added "kern.warn" anything is not loged |
| 21:04.07 | valdyn | lxsameer: its already installed |
| 21:04.23 | jelly | Misterjos: dpkg -l libavcodec51|tail -1 ? |
| 21:04.25 | valdyn | nima0102: details please |
| 21:04.35 | valdyn | nima0102: and answer the qestion |
| 21:04.37 | lxsameer | valdyn: i try --reinstall but i get that message again |
| 21:05.04 | Misterjos | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.06 | nima0102 | valdyn: yes is empty |
| 21:06.00 | chriszf | Hey, what's the package that allows you (as a regular user) to mount remote shares? |
| 21:06.03 | jelly | Misterjos: ho-hum, I have the same libavcodec51 (but a newer vlc). Does the file work with mplayer? |
| 21:06.07 | chriszf | without requiring sudo? |
| 21:06.41 | Misterjos | yes, when i start mplayer via console it does, when i start with GUI it gives error |
| 21:06.42 | valdyn | lxsameer: apt-get install --reinstall packagename gives which message? |
| 21:06.56 | Outlaw | Chris7mas: automount/autofs/amd |
| 21:07.02 | stew | chriszf: you can list them in /etc/fstab with the "user" option |
| 21:07.13 | Misterjos | maybe i should reinstall vlc |
| 21:07.15 | jelly | Misterjos: but probably a different, unrelated error for mplayer gui if it works from the terminal. |
| 21:07.33 | Neaai | good night all. |
| 21:07.38 | valdyn | Misterjos: nah, that codec is plain and simple not supported atm |
| 21:07.40 | jelly | Misterjos: reinstalling blindly seldnom helps on linux |
| 21:07.43 | valdyn | Misterjos: its not a bug |
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| 21:07.59 | Misterjos | i installed vlc via repositories, would it be a better idea to install from vlc website? |
| 21:08.03 | jelly | valdyn: but... libavcodec does xvid and divx and crap :-( |
| 21:08.09 | lxsameer | After this operation, 24.9MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 21:08.09 | lxsameer | Download complete and in download only mode |
| 21:08.15 | lxsameer | valdyn: ^^^ |
| 21:08.49 | jelly | downgrades vlc to stable |
| 21:08.52 | valdyn | jelly: new codecc version, old vlc /ffmpeg /whatever |
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| 21:09.33 | jelly | is pretty sure xvid has been supported for a while, then again, he uses mplayer |
| 21:09.38 | valdyn | lxsameer: and nothing in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 21:09.42 | valdyn | lxsameer: no error either? |
| 21:09.58 | valdyn | lxsameer: can you paste the complete output including where it displays how its downloading? |
| 21:10.05 | lxsameer | valdyn: thats right . no error message and nothing in archive dir |
| 21:10.26 | lxsameer | valdyn: yeah of course wait please |
| 21:10.52 | Misterjos | yes jelly it worked perfect in etch, but since i upgraded to lenny i always had to use kaffeine, but i actually like vlc more so i want to fix it |
| 21:11.35 | valdyn | Misterjos: for the same avi file? |
| 21:11.53 | Misterjos | yes |
| 21:12.05 | valdyn | Misterjos: does it play after you install w32codecs? |
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| 21:12.12 | lxsameer | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m1a66c274 |
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| 21:12.24 | Misterjos | w32 are installed |
| 21:13.13 | valdyn | lxsameer: the packages already are at /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:13.54 | scorch_ | I can't connect to my debian computer from outsite my router after I rebooted it. If I run "ping google.com" I get "unkown host: google.com". If I do "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" I get "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" in dmesg. I have never used ipv6 on my network. :| |
| 21:13.57 | lxsameer | valdyn: no its not |
| 21:14.02 | valdyn | lxsameer: it sais "Need to get 0B/6371kB of archives." That implies its not downloading anything |
| 21:14.10 | valdyn | lxsameer: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:14.18 | chriszf | Is it possible to use FUSE to mount cifs shares? |
| 21:15.00 | valdyn | chriszf: now what could possibly be the point of that? |
| 21:15.07 | axz | could someone help me installing nvidia-glx? |
| 21:15.09 | jelly | chriszf: the fuse web page lists a smb filesystem, so yes; why? |
| 21:15.14 | chriszf | valdyn: I want to mount a cifs share without being root? |
| 21:15.17 | lxsameer | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m2ce2627b |
| 21:15.43 | chriszf | jelly: Humm. Alright, well. Then excellent. |
| 21:15.43 | Misterjos | oh well, i'll dump vlc and use mplayer instead, i fixed the screen error in the GUI mode, now a nicer skin for it cause the default blue skin is really ugly, thx anyway jelly and valdyn. |
| 21:15.54 | valdyn | lxsameer: what if you use aptitude instead of apt-get ? |
| 21:16.01 | jelly | chriszf: for convenience, or for security purposes (you don't have root access on that machine)? |
| 21:16.37 | chriszf | jelly: Will you tell me to use something else if I answer the first one? |
| 21:16.37 | lxsameer | valdyn: aptitude doesn't download the packages with its dependencies. |
| 21:16.45 | dob1_ | using xrdp, the connection is crypted? |
| 21:16.53 | jelly | chriszf: no, I'll tell you to make smbmount setuid :-) |
| 21:17.07 | chriszf | Haha. |
| 21:17.07 | jelly | chriszf: oh, that's a yes then. |
| 21:17.16 | valdyn | lxsameer: just show the output for exactly the same command from aptitude |
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| 21:17.30 | valdyn | lxsameer: ( though i guess you need to use just reinstall instead of --reinstall install ) |
| 21:17.43 | jelly | chriszf: autofs with cifs isn't that bad either, if you make it work |
| 21:17.43 | chriszf | jelly: That seems dangerously convenient. What about the second? |
| 21:18.23 | jelly | chriszf: then I'd ask about the root that didn't give you root, but gave you fuse access which is probably very exploitable |
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| 21:18.36 | lxsameer | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m3dead7bc |
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| 21:19.22 | valdyn | lxsameer: and vim is not actually installed right? |
| 21:19.24 | anddam | hello |
| 21:19.40 | lxsameer | valdyn: no it is installed |
| 21:20.00 | valdyn | lxsameer: run "touch /var/cache/apt/archives/test" |
| 21:20.05 | valdyn | lxsameer: verify the file exists |
| 21:20.35 | lxsameer | valdyn: i do that and file created normally |
| 21:20.56 | valdyn | lxsameer: run "debsums aptitude | grep -v OK" |
| 21:21.40 | valdyn | wish I know which program aptitude uses for downloading, if any |
| 21:21.44 | lxsameer | valdyn: command not found debsums |
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| 21:22.01 | valdyn | lxsameer: "aptitude install debsums" ( guess that wont work ) |
| 21:22.03 | jelly | chriszf: it's probably /sbin/mount.cifs that needs to be made setuid in newer debians |
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| 21:22.30 | valdyn | jelly: it already is suid? |
| 21:22.38 | bolt | what's that tool that lists all your keypresses again? |
| 21:22.44 | jelly | valdyn: huh |
| 21:23.10 | themill | valdyn: it uses libapt hence /usr/lib/apt/methods/http and friends. |
| 21:23.14 | themill | bolt: xev |
| 21:23.22 | bolt | themill: ah. thanks |
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| 21:23.57 | aixenv | hrmm for some reason i cant get postfix to install during preseed for lenny |
| 21:24.02 | valdyn | lxsameer: let me know if that does not work.. |
| 21:24.03 | lxsameer | valdyn: i install that and run that command and i get nothing |
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| 21:24.16 | aixenv | i put it in the pkgsel line with build-essential and have the postfix config options in there, but it's just skipping postfix |
| 21:24.24 | aixenv | any ideas? |
| 21:24.39 | valdyn | lxsameer: uh, so now debsums*deb is in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:24.47 | valdyn | lxsameer: but vim is not? |
| 21:25.27 | lxsameer | valdyn: i just have these file there : |
| 21:25.29 | lxsameer | lock partial test |
| 21:26.40 | valdyn | lxsameer: eha |
| 21:26.48 | valdyn | lxsameer: so its got to be downloading somewhere else |
| 21:26.53 | themill | vim can be "provided" by other packages |
| 21:27.42 | lxsameer | themill: i'm not really interest in vim , i just use it as example to show my problem |
| 21:27.44 | chriszf | setuid on mount.cifs was the right answer. |
| 21:28.07 | chriszf | I'm actually on a fedora machine here. I just figured you guys are friendlier and I understand debian better. |
| 21:28.18 | lxsameer | valdyn: do you have any idea that how can i find out the place? |
| 21:28.28 | valdyn | lxsameer: yea |
| 21:28.45 | lxsameer | valdyn: so what is it my friend? |
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| 21:28.49 | valdyn | lxsameer: paste the output of "strace -eopen apt-get -d install <package>" |
| 21:28.56 | themill | lxsameer: it's a difficult example then... |
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| 21:29.10 | valdyn | lxsameer: use a package that you never downloaded before if you can |
| 21:29.32 | valdyn | lxsameer: hold on |
| 21:29.45 | lxsameer | valdyn: what? |
| 21:29.54 | valdyn | lxsameer: paste the output of "strace -f -eopen apt-get -d install <package>" |
| 21:29.58 | valdyn | lxsameer: slight change ^^ |
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| 21:31.24 | valdyn | themill: whenever he tries to install vim apt-get claims its already downloaded like: "Need to get 0B/6371kB of archives." |
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| 21:31.36 | valdyn | themill: but the package is not there at /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:31.38 | zack23 | The permissions for /tmp changed somehow (I just noticed). I fixed this but how do I make sure nothing has tampered with my system? Why would the permissions change? |
| 21:31.55 | valdyn | zack23: because something tampered with your system |
| 21:32.16 | zack23 | and is there any way to investigate this? |
| 21:32.24 | themill | valdyn: there are many config options you can play with in /etc/apt for that. |
| 21:32.34 | valdyn | themill: yea, i guess |
| 21:32.45 | lxsameer | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m52b1b34e |
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| 21:33.00 | valdyn | themill: but someone doesnt change this incidentally and comes here to ask about it |
| 21:33.23 | themill | file:// urls for apt behave differently |
| 21:33.38 | valdyn | themill: ah |
| 21:33.42 | valdyn | themill: didnt know that one |
| 21:33.50 | themill | nor did I... :) |
| 21:33.53 | valdyn | themill: hes got file urls as i see |
| 21:34.18 | themill | yes, looking at the strace was what made me think of that... |
| 21:34.29 | valdyn | lxsameer: got it? |
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| 21:34.47 | lxsameer | valdyn: i don't understand |
| 21:34.47 | DocMAX | hallo |
| 21:35.04 | valdyn | lxsameer: you are using a local mirror at /home/extra/ |
| 21:35.04 | DocMAX | ist zwar nicht ganz debian, aber ich brauche hilfe mit linux |
| 21:35.13 | DocMAX | ups english |
| 21:35.22 | DocMAX | ok i need help |
| 21:35.26 | lxsameer | valdyn: yeah , so what is the problem |
| 21:35.32 | DocMAX | allthoought its not debian |
| 21:35.34 | valdyn | lxsameer: that might explain why the file is not copied to /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 21:35.56 | DocMAX | how can i debug "unknown symbols" messages when inserting mods??? |
| 21:35.58 | valdyn | lxsameer: im not going to read the source code about that |
| 21:36.04 | kenjy | if I have a text file how can I search for coincidences? for example I have a list like a\n b\n c\n a\n b\n a\n how can I know if "a" its repeated? of course in CL xD |
| 21:36.11 | DocMAX | what are the causes?? |
| 21:36.13 | valdyn | lxsameer: you can figure that out by using a network source instead |
| 21:36.27 | lxsameer | valdyn: should i use the web for may repo? for example using my apachy? |
| 21:36.38 | stew | DocMAX: trying to load a module that wasn't built against the running kernel |
| 21:36.49 | valdyn | lxsameer: no, why |
| 21:36.53 | valdyn | lxsameer: everythign is fine |
| 21:36.53 | stew | DocMAX: what module is it. where did it come from? |
| 21:37.05 | valdyn | lxsameer: not copying to /var/cache/apt/archives/ saves your diskspace |
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| 21:37.09 | DocMAX | the module is dvb-usb.ko |
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| 21:37.21 | DocMAX | it comes from kernel sources of my router |
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| 21:38.06 | lxsameer | valdyn: i want to do that because i want to build a small repo for my little distro |
| 21:38.27 | DocMAX | i did a fresh compile of the kernel and uploaded it to the router |
| 21:38.28 | valdyn | lxsameer: ok |
| 21:38.38 | valdyn | lxsameer: then using your apache to serve the files serves that purpose |
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| 21:38.40 | anddam | where should I check to see what audio chip I have? |
| 21:38.43 | lxsameer | valdyn: thanks for helping |
| 21:38.51 | DocMAX | all modules start except this one |
| 21:38.56 | valdyn | lxsameer: welcome |
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| 21:39.02 | streuner | anddam: lspci - v | grep -i audio |
| 21:39.04 | anddam | I'm on ibook, debian etch upgraded to lenny, gnome installed |
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| 21:39.34 | Fenix|work | Greetings... |
| 21:39.35 | valdyn | lxsameer: i would use approx to combine this |
| 21:39.43 | anddam | streuner: I've already tried and got nothing |
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| 21:39.51 | Fenix|work | any squid experts in the channel? |
| 21:39.57 | valdyn | lxsameer: its a debian cache, that way you get to keep the mirror up to date and can use http to access files |
| 21:40.00 | anddam | streuner: it used to work, then it stopped way before I upgraded to lenny |
| 21:40.00 | Fenix|work | #squid is quiet |
| 21:40.06 | lxsameer | valdyn: sorry i can't understand can you tell me more? |
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| 21:40.18 | DocMAX | what can i do? |
| 21:40.24 | valdyn | lxsameer: approx is a debian file cache |
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| 21:40.34 | valdyn | lxsameer: it stores the files like a real debian mirror |
| 21:40.43 | valdyn | lxsameer: and services packages via http, like a web server |
| 21:40.47 | anddam | I have several snd_ oss module loaded tho' |
| 21:41.11 | lxsameer | valdyn: aha what a nice tool , thanks for the hints |
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| 21:43.04 | streuner | < |
| 21:43.13 | streuner | anddam: fine, but no sound :-) |
| 21:43.59 | anddam | streuner: found, modprobe snd-powermac |
| 21:44.10 | anddam | now I see device in GNOME device manager |
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| 21:44.44 | anddam | but the volume control still shows a red 'X', should I somehow restart gnome audio or so? |
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| 21:51.06 | anddam | ok it works |
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| 21:51.51 | karsten | I'm trying to log n as root over an ipmi console. I get a user prompt, enter root, get a password prompt, enter password, get another password prompt, enter password, get nothing until timeout. |
| 21:52.19 | anddam | streuner: a gdm restart fixed it |
| 21:52.23 | karsten | Anyone seen something like this? Clues for debugging? IPMI esentially treats this as a serial console. |
| 21:52.29 | xxiao | when i login to debian, it says "You must change your password now and login again", where to disable this? i did it once but forget |
| 21:53.30 | karsten | xxiao: That's set if you have password aging or someone has set your password to be modified at first login. |
| 21:53.47 | karsten | xxiao: man passwd(1) for more info. |
| 21:55.09 | xxiao | karsten: thanks! |
| 21:58.30 | \amethyst | xxiao: usermod -e '' user seems to work |
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| 21:59.17 | cyril__ | Hi ! |
| 21:59.39 | cyril__ | I search how to optimise my traffic (QoS?) with iptables |
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| 21:59.52 | valdyn | !wondershaper |
| 21:59.52 | dpkg | i guess wondershaper is a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy |
| 21:59.57 | cyril__ | i have a personnal server with provide somes services like, dns, apache, postfix |
| 22:00.17 | cyril__ | i want to give more bandwith to ssh and apache than other services |
| 22:00.21 | cyril__ | how to do? |
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| 22:00.30 | frostschutz | wondershaper is old and broken |
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| 22:00.37 | frostschutz | and unmaintained |
| 22:00.42 | Quibus | Hi, I'm running the latest testing and I got weird effects in GNOME |
| 22:00.44 | valdyn | its the same old script |
| 22:00.45 | valdyn | it works ok |
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| 22:00.50 | rey | cyril__: QoS |
| 22:00.52 | Quibus | Is there a known problem atm? |
| 22:00.55 | valdyn | its also a decent starting point |
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| 22:01.05 | Quibus | E.g. running gnome-volume-control doesn't give a window |
| 22:01.34 | cyril__ | and it is easy to do Qos with iptables? i would like to 'just' add maybe some rules into my iptables scrip |
| 22:01.36 | Quibus | and apps in my panel don't get activated (workrave, volume control, rhythmbox0 |
| 22:01.43 | valdyn | cyril__: no, its not easy |
| 22:02.00 | valdyn | cyril__: its not even iptables really |
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| 22:02.13 | cyril__ | valdyn, tell me more |
| 22:02.16 | valdyn | cyril__: i wont |
| 22:02.25 | valdyn | cyril__: google, read the wondershaper script, read the docs |
| 22:02.32 | cyril__ | ok ok |
| 22:02.44 | valdyn | cyril__: or use the shorewall facility if you are already using shorewall |
| 22:03.00 | nsadmin | that will tell you more, and perhaps generate questions you do not have now |
| 22:03.02 | rey | cyril__: search for robson's generator |
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| 22:03.12 | nsadmin | those are the questions you could pose here |
| 22:03.17 | valdyn | cyril__: and mind the shaping for *other* computers on a gateway works a little different than shapping traffic for the box where shaping is done itself |
| 22:03.24 | frostschutz | cyril__: www.lartc.org used to be a good starting point. the wondershaper script has a wonderful name but it's a bad script that uses qos wrong and gives you random results at best. |
| 22:03.31 | edenroz | hello, i have my server (debian etch) on a famous italian webfarm. My only problem is i can't ping ip inside webfarm wlan. ping resolv address but dont ping, i checked in host.deny and no webfarm router is blacklisted |
| 22:04.13 | cyril__ | thanks valdyn rey and frostschutz i look at this |
| 22:04.52 | edenroz | everything from internet: ssh, webserver etc.. etc.. but i cant ping any server in the webfarm |
| 22:05.08 | edenroz | all my other serve on this webfarm havent this problem |
| 22:05.17 | nsadmin | perhaps the other servers don't listen to pings |
| 22:06.06 | edenroz | nsadmin, they listen, from my home spot i can ping all web farm server...i think is a problem of my server |
| 22:06.43 | nsadmin | edenroz: can you ping its gateway? |
| 22:06.57 | edenroz | nsadmin, just a second for try ;D |
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| 22:10.04 | acu | common geeks - I need your help - I have to take over another computer - I know its IP address - do I need putty or what - and what do I need to have in one and the other computer (server and viewer) ? |
| 22:10.19 | anddam | I'm trying to use an usb joypad in mame |
| 22:10.35 | anddam | I see data being passed if I do a cat /dev/input/js0 |
| 22:10.39 | nsadmin | is an uncommon geek, thank you very much :P |
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| 22:10.52 | anddam | so the joypad should be just fine, shouldn't it? |
| 22:10.53 | acu | :) |
| 22:11.08 | acu | nsadmin: are you a bot or superhuman |
| 22:11.14 | xxiao | i hate this, a fresh lenny forces me to change my password each time i ssh-in, usermod -e and passwd does not help |
| 22:11.31 | myeggo | hello, exists a tool as ksnapshot for gnome? |
| 22:11.33 | xxiao | must be some stupid security setting or pam.d |
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| 22:11.38 | nsadmin | is not a bat, train, plain or even frog... |
| 22:11.49 | edenroz | nsadmin, yes i can ping it |
| 22:12.01 | xxiao | too safe to use it, shit |
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| 22:12.12 | nsadmin | edenroz hmm. |
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| 22:12.26 | nsadmin | the machines you cannot ping, can you ssh to them? |
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| 22:12.38 | acu | hey guys - just tell me what is the easier tool to take over other computer? |
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| 22:13.18 | ignatius1 | coucou |
| 22:13.35 | nsadmin | acu: does the other computer want to be taken over? |
| 22:13.46 | edenroz | nsadmin, from internet yes, from debian server no |
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| 22:14.00 | edenroz | nsadmin, i cant ping every machine in this webfarm! |
| 22:14.04 | acu | nsadmin: of course - is mine, but it is 1000 km away :) |
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| 22:14.42 | nsadmin | edenroz: are you cantacting the other machines by their internal web farm address or their external IP? |
| 22:14.47 | edenroz | nsadmin, i mail webfarm sysadmin and he say its a problem of my machine |
| 22:14.55 | acu | nsadmin: I used x11vnc for server and krdc for client - however if I get out of the session x11vnc needs to be restarted - so I need some other way to do it |
| 22:15.03 | edenroz | nsadmin, by their external ip |
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| 22:15.49 | nsadmin | ok, try pinging one of the internal boxes from its internal ip |
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| 22:16.19 | planet8 | Any recommendations for a usenet client able to dl both text and binary? |
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| 22:16.36 | nsadmin | or is the web farm do NAT? |
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| 22:16.48 | edenroz | nsadmin, no nat |
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| 22:17.13 | nsadmin | oh... so: the internal machines all have real routable IPs? |
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| 22:17.25 | edenroz | nsadmin, yes, i pay for them! |
| 22:17.43 | nsadmin | ok |
| 22:17.58 | nazgjunk | heya. I tried to install testing in Virtualbox, but for some reason the installer didn't recognize the HD interface. Any clue as to what I was doing wrong? |
| 22:18.09 | nsadmin | howbout try traceroute to one of the other boxes |
| 22:18.17 | nazgjunk | (Ubuntu 8.10 had no issues at all, for the record) |
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| 22:18.29 | nsadmin | grasps at straws |
| 22:18.45 | edenroz | nsadmin, i tried some days ago, do u want a pastebin? |
| 22:19.09 | nsadmin | well that would reveal some of your IPs... you ok with that? |
| 22:19.28 | edenroz | nsadmin, only in private :D |
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| 22:20.10 | nsadmin | oh, ok... before we go there... could you try a traceroute from the box in question to another box inside |
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| 22:21.16 | nsadmin | I just need to know a coupla things... one, how many hops? |
| 22:21.23 | ctp | hi folks. which lightweight media player do you prefer for a gtk installation (xfce4). banshee, exaile, rhythmbox? |
| 22:21.26 | nsadmin | two, does the traceroute succeed? |
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| 22:22.28 | ma3x | where are the kernel headers usually located at? |
| 22:22.46 | lxsameer | ls |
| 22:22.48 | siyb | ma3x: /usr/src |
| 22:22.48 | lxsameer | cd |
| 22:22.49 | lxsameer | ls |
| 22:22.56 | edenroz | nsadmin, i think tracreoute have some problem :D |
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| 22:25.34 | format_c | wheather in /usr/include/linux/ or in /usr/src/linux-`uname -r`/include/linux/ |
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| 22:27.28 | foetus | how can i update the debian-environment on-the-fly? |
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| 22:30.01 | format_c | What is on-the-fly? |
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| 22:30.20 | VeNoMeN | without saving between |
| 22:30.21 | VeNoMeN | ;D |
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| 22:30.32 | maligor | probably etch to lenny |
| 22:30.35 | VeNoMeN | like copy a cd to cd without saving to hdd b4 |
| 22:30.36 | VeNoMeN | ;D |
| 22:30.41 | nsadmin | format_c: it's a particle of dust after a fly gets it |
| 22:30.56 | VeNoMeN | can someone say me something about this dovecot error: Restarting mail server: dovecotError: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf line 976: With connect auth socket no other sockets can be used in same auth section |
| 22:31.06 | kibibyte | when in there will be RBAC access control like in opensolaris |
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| 22:31.12 | kibibyte | in debain* |
| 22:31.23 | foetus | format_c: something like source/etc/profile /etc/environment and a reload.. |
| 22:31.29 | Geek`N`Proud | kibibyte: there already is |
| 22:31.35 | Geek`N`Proud | kibibyte: SELinux can provide this |
| 22:31.42 | Vonor | how can i figure the reason a service isn't starting? (nfs-common can't start statd, but doesn't tell me whats wrong) |
| 22:31.53 | kibibyte | but why not by default |
| 22:32.10 | Vonor | kibibyte, because nobody wants selinux by default :D |
| 22:32.23 | Geek`N`Proud | kibibyte: because SELinux is not supported on every package yet |
| 22:32.28 | OpenTokix | selinux is just annoying as hell |
| 22:32.30 | foetus | format_c: an env-update :) |
| 22:32.41 | format_c | foetus, you're coming from Gentoo right? |
| 22:32.49 | foetus | format_c: :) |
| 22:33.01 | kibibyte | ohhh |
| 22:33.01 | stack | hhamahymahahahaha |
| 22:33.02 | Geek`N`Proud | kibibyte: unlike Fedora (and OpenSolaris), things do not get into Debian unless they work with every package and every supported architecture |
| 22:33.08 | format_c | source /etc/profile should be enough |
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| 22:33.26 | format_c | maybe also your .profile |
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| 22:33.42 | Geek`N`Proud | and currently reference policy does not cater for anywhere near every Debian package in a way that avoids breaking them |
| 22:33.54 | foetus | format_c: no, surely not. i saw nothing about my settings in set or export.. |
| 22:33.58 | format_c | or/and .bashrc or .bash_profile or /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 22:34.27 | format_c | foetus, where set? |
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| 22:34.58 | ma3x | why building kernel the debian way doesn't also create linux-headers.deb? |
| 22:35.06 | foetus | format_c: but on restart it works..i need it on the fly, by working.. |
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| 22:35.08 | Geek`N`Proud | ma3x: it does |
| 22:35.13 | acu_rodna | hey guys - how do you start the ssh server and how do you assign password and users |
| 22:35.17 | Geek`N`Proud | ma3x: make-kpkg buildpackage produces one =] |
| 22:35.20 | ma3x | Geek`N`Proud: no it doesn't it just creates linux-image.deb |
| 22:35.25 | Geek`N`Proud | ma3x: yes it does |
| 22:35.34 | format_c | foetus, where did you set these variables? |
| 22:35.35 | ma3x | no way, i'll try again, but it didn't last time i ran it |
| 22:35.40 | wickers | acu_rodna, first you gotta make sure openssh-server package is installed |
| 22:35.48 | wickers | then users are local |
| 22:35.49 | acu_rodna | done |
| 22:35.59 | foetus | format_c: in /etc/environment, especially |
| 22:36.02 | wickers | so make a new user for the system and ssh will work for it |
| 22:36.12 | Geek`N`Proud | ma3x: make-kpkg binary # Builds kernel_{source,headers,image,doc} |
| 22:36.19 | wickers | once the package is installed the service is run by default |
| 22:36.29 | Geek`N`Proud | ma3x: and buildpackage does that and a source package |
| 22:36.45 | ma3x | Geek`N`Proud: ok i'll try again and see what happens |
| 22:36.55 | Geek`N`Proud | ma3x: what command did you use? |
| 22:37.09 | ma3x | Geek`N`Proud: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 22:37.43 | Geek`N`Proud | ewww, that looks ugly xD |
| 22:37.58 | ma3x | Geek`N`Proud: what way you do it? |
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| 22:38.08 | Geek`N`Proud | make-kpkg buildpackage |
| 22:38.15 | acu_rodna | wickers: so if I add a normal user - it is automatically valid for openssh server |
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| 22:38.15 | Geek`N`Proud | that's all I ever need to do |
| 22:38.23 | acu_rodna | wickers: I added the user |
| 22:38.27 | acu_rodna | what's next |
| 22:38.34 | Geek`N`Proud | then in $SOURCEROOT/.. I get everything in separate .deb' |
| 22:38.35 | wickers | acu_rodna, by default, ssh uses system users for auth |
| 22:38.42 | foetus | format_c: maybe an update of /etc/ld.so.conf.. |
| 22:38.43 | wickers | since you're logging into a shell with ssh anyhow |
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| 22:38.59 | acu_rodna | wickers: how do I start the server |
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| 22:39.07 | foetus | format_c: something like that.. |
| 22:39.07 | ma3x | Geek`N`Proud: just that? make-kpkg buildpackage? |
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| 22:39.08 | wickers | it should already be started after installing the package |
| 22:39.11 | format_c | foetus, now I got it |
| 22:39.16 | OpenTokix | Geek`N`Proud: well put |
| 22:39.16 | Geek`N`Proud | ma3x: yeps |
| 22:39.22 | hypolite | Hello everybody |
| 22:39.26 | foetus | format_c: ah |
| 22:39.27 | format_c | This file is normally not the right place to set your custom variables |
| 22:39.32 | wickers | acu_rodna, #ps -a |grep sshd |
| 22:39.34 | wickers | see it running? |
| 22:39.37 | acu_rodna | OK, now I have to go to the client and do what |
| 22:39.51 | format_c | normally your .profile or /etc/profile should be the right for that. |
| 22:39.53 | foetus | format_c: so where is the right one? |
| 22:40.17 | foetus | format_c: so whats with /etc/environment? |
| 22:40.18 | format_c | This file is created by the locale package and locales can be updated using `update-locale` |
| 22:40.37 | wickers | acu_rodna, so from an ssh client (such as putty on windows or ssh within a *nix box), connect to your server's IP |
| 22:40.40 | foetus | format_c: ah, lets do it.. |
| 22:40.48 | wickers | assuming your on a flat network not behind any firewalls |
| 22:40.58 | ma3x | Geek`N`Proud: can i use make-kpkg --initrd buildpackage? |
| 22:41.08 | acu_rodna | wickers: notthing shows up if I pasted V |
| 22:41.13 | foetus | format_c: done. lets have a look.. |
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| 22:41.34 | nsadmin | ma3x: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 22:41.37 | Geek`N`Proud | ma3x: should be fine |
| 22:42.05 | nsadmin | then you'll get the headers and the image packages |
| 22:42.11 | wickers | acu_rodna, my bad, -A not -a |
| 22:42.11 | foetus | format_c: yes, it did..thanks, nice work! |
| 22:42.11 | acu_rodna | wickers: so I should go to client and type what: ssh IP address useranme password ? |
| 22:42.26 | ma3x | i guess kp mantra doesn't include kernel_headers |
| 22:42.36 | wickers | sure, just do #ssh USERNAME@SERVERIP |
| 22:42.40 | wickers | and let it ask for the pass |
| 22:42.48 | Geek`N`Proud | ma3x: it doesn't :P |
| 22:43.07 | format_c | format_c, np |
| 22:43.11 | Geek`N`Proud | it has kernel_image modules_image only |
| 22:43.14 | acu_rodna | wickers: it shows a number with a question mark then 00:00:00 sshd - so means it is running |
| 22:43.16 | Quibus | good night |
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| 22:43.58 | format_c | foetus, but remember. This file belongs to the locales package. It might be removed or overwritten due to next upgrade or removal of locales. |
| 22:44.11 | foetus | format_c: update-locale is updating the environment on-the-fly (for the others) |
| 22:44.29 | foetus | format_c: thanks. |
| 22:44.32 | wickers | acu_rodna, yes |
| 22:44.44 | wickers | acu_rodna, like I said, once you install the package, it runs by default with the system |
| 22:44.48 | hypolite | I have a problem with postfix-dovecot on a private sever to send mail via Thunderbird, can anyone help me ? |
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| 22:46.15 | EuShells | upgrade from sarge=>etch=>lenny went okay - only thing I 'forgot' was the nics switching names, but that was a human mistake (I thought I had only one nic enabled) :) |
| 22:46.44 | matt7676 | is there a network related chat room? |
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| 22:48.49 | foetus | are the files in /etc/default loaded in alphabetical order? |
| 22:49.03 | acu_rodna | wickers magic :) |
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| 22:49.18 | acu_rodna | now, how do I know if someone is ssh-ing in my server ? |
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| 22:50.17 | format_c | acu_rodna, `w` |
| 22:50.17 | acu_rodna | and how I stop the ssh server |
| 22:50.36 | format_c | /etc/init.d/*ssh* stop |
| 22:50.49 | format_c | But this does not terminate existing connections |
| 22:50.51 | abrotman | matt7676: ##networking |
| 22:51.02 | abrotman | why not /etc/init.d/openssh-server stop ?> |
| 22:51.09 | foetus | or could i put in some files with settings in..with an futuristical name? |
| 22:51.14 | acu_rodna | format_c: w what |
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| 22:51.24 | wickers | because there's no openssh-server in init.d ;) |
| 22:51.30 | format_c | acu_rodna, type w in console |
| 22:51.41 | abrotman | oh drat .. that's the package name :) |
| 22:51.49 | wickers | heh |
| 22:51.55 | wickers | it's just ssh in init.d |
| 22:51.57 | wickers | and yes |
| 22:51.57 | foetus | or is /etc/default/locale the right place.. |
| 22:52.04 | wickers | what format.c is right |
| 22:52.07 | at0m|werk | wickers: /etc/init.d/sshd ? |
| 22:52.12 | wickers | ssh |
| 22:52.17 | wickers | sans d |
| 22:52.19 | wickers | I believe |
| 22:52.21 | format_c | foetus, for which settings? |
| 22:52.22 | acu_rodna | whoao |
| 22:52.33 | foetus | like a dovecot..:) |
| 22:52.38 | wickers | yes |
| 22:52.41 | wickers | that's it |
| 22:52.45 | FuneralDirector | corr blimey |
| 22:52.47 | wickers | /etc/init.d/ssh stop |
| 22:52.51 | wickers | no d |
| 22:52.52 | acu_rodna | format_c: yes it's vhs |
| 22:52.52 | matt7676 | abrotman: thanks! Why have some channels one "#" and other have two "##" characters? Is there some meaning? |
| 22:53.18 | foetus | format_c: env-variables only |
| 22:53.20 | format_c | with w I can see who is doing what |
| 22:53.22 | wickers | at0m|werk, other distros have it sshd, why Debian uses just ssh is beyond me. |
| 22:53.26 | acu_rodna | that's good enough for today - I always used GUI - krfb or x11vnc |
| 22:53.36 | acu_rodna | is very easy |
| 22:53.40 | acu_rodna | I am stunned |
| 22:53.40 | foetus | format_c: options, exactly.. |
| 22:53.54 | wickers | acu_rodna, yeah CLI is not as scary as it seems |
| 22:54.13 | format_c | if not belonging to locales it is not the right place. But will work until locales is installed. |
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| 22:54.53 | at0m|werk | wickers: fair enough, the important thing was that there /is/ a daemon that can easily be spotted and stopped :) |
| 22:55.32 | XVal | what tools should be used for security on a server running openssh ? |
| 22:55.35 | wickers | at0m|werk, yup... improper init.d scripts or rc.d scripts... or the lack there of... scare me. |
| 22:55.38 | acu_rodna | wickers: or format_c is any tool which would send the IP automatically to other computer - I have a remote computer which has dynamic IP - everytime it reboots the IP changes and I do not know a way to get it sent to me - |
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| 22:55.50 | foetus | format_c: and could i create a new file (for my own settings)? |
| 22:55.57 | wickers | acu_rodna, dyndns.org |
| 22:56.04 | XVal | i dont want kids bruteforcing the hell out of my server. |
| 22:56.07 | wickers | any dynamic DNS service would do it |
| 22:56.20 | at0m|werk | XVal: nothing really, except for the server and the keys |
| 22:56.25 | XVal | dyndns.org works great |
| 22:56.29 | nsadmin | XVal, then don't let them on it :) |
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| 22:56.44 | SQlvpapir | after installing firmware and the driver is loaded, what command is it that makes it possible to avoid a reboot? it will automatically check if any new firmware is in place.. any help would be appreciated |
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| 22:56.57 | format_c | foetus, of course. Just place a source to your file into /etc/profile |
| 22:56.58 | acu_rodna | wickers: but I do not want to make it public |
| 22:57.10 | format_c | source is meant as the command |
| 22:57.20 | XVal | nothing that could block ips after multi fails logins ? |
| 22:57.28 | at0m|werk | XVal: you can get highly random secure passwords here https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm , and you can remember them on print/usb stick/.. |
| 22:57.28 | wickers | acu_rodna, then don't tell anyone what the dyndns address is ;) |
| 22:57.29 | adama__ | XVal: openssh is secure. You can disable root login, disable password login (after setting up keys), etc |
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| 22:57.40 | at0m|werk | your simple password would be the weak link |
| 22:58.24 | foetus | format_c: cat `which update-locale` says: --locale-file=FILE file containing locale variables..btw, but - i touch a new one..lets prepare it.. |
| 22:58.32 | XVal | adama__ : "disable password login" ? |
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| 22:58.40 | XVal | after setting up keys ? |
| 22:58.57 | XVal | is that some option in openssh i missed ? |
| 22:59.08 | FuneralDirector | Can someone tell me what the average bandwidth is per month for mirroring debian distro's? |
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| 22:59.16 | XVal | you can use "keys" not usernames and passwords ? |
| 22:59.37 | FuneralDirector | I am talking a main mirror |
| 22:59.41 | mogar | hello. Which is the correct processor family for an atom 230? |
| 22:59.42 | adama__ | XVal: you still need usernames |
| 22:59.43 | FuneralDirector | does someone have stats |
| 22:59.46 | wickers | PSKs can be just as insecure as passwords if they fall into the wrong hands or by chancea are sniffed |
| 22:59.53 | XVal | Public Key Authentication ? |
| 23:00.22 | adama__ | XVal: that's right, is passwordless. You can then disable passwords entirely |
| 23:00.32 | adama__ | man sshd_config |
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| 23:00.44 | acu_rodna | wickers: I am still confused - is any tool to which the client dyndns sents it to me instead to a dns server ? |
| 23:00.47 | foetus | format_c: /etc/profile? like echo 'source /etc/default/blabla' >> /etc/profile? |
| 23:00.47 | XVal | now thats what im talking about |
| 23:00.50 | stew | FuneralDirector: ask #debian-mirror on irc.debian.org |
| 23:00.51 | XVal | wahaha |
| 23:01.07 | format_c | foetus, yep |
| 23:01.08 | FuneralDirector | stew, irc.debian.org points here |
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| 23:01.20 | foetus | format_c: nice:) |
| 23:01.31 | XVal | "Public key authenticate can prevent brute force SSH attacks" |
| 23:01.35 | stew | FuneralDirector: no, it doesn't |
| 23:01.42 | XVal | thats for the tip adama , cheers. |
| 23:01.49 | FuneralDirector | stew ok there must have been some changes then |
| 23:01.49 | wickers | acu_rodna, your IP is public on the net anyhow, dyndns is just a service that any time it changes their resolve for it is updated... so all you need to remember is a word, not an IP |
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| 23:01.56 | FuneralDirector | cheers |
| 23:02.00 | themill | FuneralDirector: several years ago, yes. |
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| 23:02.12 | stew | FuneralDirector: /msg dpkg oftc move |
| 23:02.20 | format_c | and to update them on-the-fly just "source /etc/default/blabla" but I guess I doesn't have to advice you this |
| 23:02.21 | adama__ | XVal: sure. there is a way in there I noticed to lock an IP out after so many failed logins as well, as you were originally wanting. |
| 23:03.10 | FuneralDirector | stew, I see thanks for that |
| 23:03.20 | wickers | acu_rodna, 'it' being your dynamic IP |
| 23:03.21 | stew | FuneralDirector: you're welcom |
| 23:03.25 | foetus | format_c: source /etc/profile && update-locale must work then, imho.. |
| 23:03.29 | FuneralDirector | I knew there were changes just never kept uptodate |
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| 23:03.59 | format_c | foetus, d'acord |
| 23:04.00 | stew | XVal: have a look at fail2ban if it hasn't already been mentioned |
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| 23:04.39 | format_c | so its late. Going to bed now. bye. |
| 23:05.09 | FuneralDirector | format_c offin :) |
| 23:05.09 | XVal | thats it stew |
| 23:05.16 | XVal | i forgot its name |
| 23:05.25 | acu_rodna | how to end an ssh session |
| 23:05.35 | XVal | adama__ check fail2ban |
| 23:05.50 | acu_rodna | can you have more than one user loggin at the same time ? |
| 23:06.06 | XVal | stew : could that be used with keys not passwords ? |
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| 23:06.13 | acu_rodna | format_c: bye thanks |
| 23:06.28 | acu_rodna | format_c: mbr refresh :) |
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| 23:07.12 | format_c | acu_rodna, sorry for that. |
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| 23:07.30 | mogar | which is the correct processor family for an atom 230? |
| 23:07.35 | format_c | forgot one parameter. |
| 23:08.25 | foetus | format_c: nice work, go sleep.. |
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| 23:09.17 | baz | how come debian isnt offered as much as fedora or centos on servers? |
| 23:09.34 | FuneralDirector | baz it is |
| 23:09.35 | Geek`N`Proud | baz: CentOS has a subset of packages |
| 23:09.37 | wickers | it is |
| 23:09.52 | FuneralDirector | debian is used by more universities worldwide than any other distro |
| 23:09.59 | nsadmin | what's the difference in a static-IP stanza of /etc/network/interfaces where it has a network address specified and where it doesn't? |
| 23:09.59 | Geek`N`Proud | baz: with a subset of packages, there is less potential for a user to install a package the tech supports don't know about |
| 23:10.15 | Geek`N`Proud | FuneralDirector: he means on cheapo VPSes and stuff |
| 23:10.24 | baz | well also on amazon |
| 23:10.28 | baz | or other clouds |
| 23:10.30 | FuneralDirector | Geek`N`Proud, fair enough :) |
| 23:10.36 | baz | they keep pushing fedora/centos |
| 23:10.38 | nsadmin | could it cause ping failures if it doesn't have it? |
| 23:10.57 | FuneralDirector | baz, because fedora coders work for M$ and vice versa :P |
| 23:11.04 | FuneralDirector | true |
| 23:11.30 | FuneralDirector | Windows 7 is RHel dressed up differently :p |
| 23:11.46 | Geek`N`Proud | baz: it's because CentOS upgrades packages every year too |
| 23:11.47 | baz | Geek`N`Proud, when u say a subset, yourefer to a subet of which set? |
| 23:12.00 | Geek`N`Proud | Subset compared to other distros |
| 23:12.10 | Geek`N`Proud | Fedora used to be Fedora Core which was also a subset |
| 23:12.30 | baz | ahh, debian too no? |
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| 23:12.40 | Geek`N`Proud | nope |
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| 23:12.52 | Geek`N`Proud | Debian has one of the largest package repositories going |
| 23:13.06 | baz | ah |
| 23:13.12 | Geek`N`Proud | Last I checked it's rivalled purely by Gentoo and ArchLinux |
| 23:13.16 | Chousuke | I don't think it's correct to say any distro has a "subset" of some non-existent package repository :P |
| 23:13.41 | Geek`N`Proud | Chousuke: CentOS is a subset of Fedora (now combined Core + Extras) |
| 23:13.43 | wickers | ... oh no, someone just started a geek-off |
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| 23:13.47 | wickers | brace for flame war |
| 23:13.50 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 23:13.57 | baz | but debian updates are slower right? you dont get the latest in exchange for stability? |
| 23:13.59 | acu_rodna | OK, I am trying to start x11vnc through ssh and it does not work |
| 23:14.09 | Geek`N`Proud | baz: yes indeed |
| 23:14.09 | jelly-home | !it doesn't work |
| 23:14.17 | FuneralDirector | DOn't worry about it, I will give the looser a funeral... cremation ok? |
| 23:14.52 | baz | whats ubuntu server's policy on updates? Is it as aggressive as the desktop or perhaps in between debian and ubuntu desktop? |
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| 23:15.05 | jelly-home | acu_rodna: a more detailed and complete description of the way it fails to work will be needed |
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| 23:15.14 | Geek`N`Proud | baz: on LTS or on normal? |
| 23:15.24 | baz | Geek`N`Proud, both :) |
| 23:15.41 | acu_rodna | jelly-home indeed - the question should be clear :) in a sec... |
| 23:15.59 | wickers | acu_rodna, you're trying to launch an X11 app from within an SSH session on your client? |
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| 23:16.20 | acu_rodna | wickers: yes |
| 23:16.32 | nsadmin | wickers: which can work because when x server is started, it's wrapped in ssh-agent |
| 23:16.35 | Geek`N`Proud | baz: LTS it sticks to it's guns unless "reasonable" but sometimes adds fixes for new hardware (no new drivers though!) |
| 23:16.42 | craigevil | !ubuntu |
| 23:16.42 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 23:16.44 | saschul11 | Can someone help a Debian newb out - i just made a fresh install and trying to execute the command: "visudo" but the promt is telling me that the "command isn't found". Any advice? Thanks. |
| 23:16.54 | Geek`N`Proud | baz: normal, doesn't change or break ABI/API but is only supported for 18 months |
| 23:16.57 | themill | saschul11: install the sudo packge |
| 23:17.00 | wickers | acu_rodna, by default, X11 forwarding is not turned on |
| 23:17.33 | themill | wickers: let's see what the error is first... |
| 23:17.44 | saschul11 | themill: did the trick! thanks. any chance you can point me to any online tutorials about getting a box setup - particularly for someoen who's new to all of this? |
| 23:17.45 | Geek`N`Proud | baz: Debian Stable in contrast doesn't change or break ABI/API ever.. regardless of being "reasonable" :P - and it's supported for approx. 3 years (each release should be around 24 months, then support ends 1 year later!) |
| 23:18.02 | wickers | acu_rodna, you'd want to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config find the line that says "X11Forwarding no" and change no to yes, then restart the ssh server. |
| 23:18.14 | themill | dpkg: tell saschul11 about grounding |
| 23:18.20 | baz | Geek`N`Proud, very interesting! |
| 23:18.35 | saschul11 | themill: thanks |
| 23:18.41 | themill | np |
| 23:18.48 | Geek`N`Proud | baz: to take a desktop example regarding ABI/API stability... |
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| 23:19.03 | wickers | acu_rodna, themill mentioend an error, probably says 'can not connect to display :0' or something, right? |
| 23:19.22 | Geek`N`Proud | baz: should backporting security fixes for iceweasel (firefox) get too tough.. they may abandon support for it |
| 23:19.36 | Geek`N`Proud | they'd encourage moving to a more supportable app |
| 23:19.40 | XVal | debian not supporting security updates for etch anymore ? |
| 23:19.43 | Geek`N`Proud | whereas Ubuntu would upgrade the thing |
| 23:19.43 | XVal | wtf? |
| 23:19.53 | acu_rodna | wickers: I am trying right away what you say - it makes sense - it should work :) |
| 23:19.54 | themill | XVal: it is, for around anothe r12 months |
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| 23:19.55 | Geek`N`Proud | XVal: they will do till 1 year after lenny's release |
| 23:20.15 | baz | Geek`N`Proud, abandon support for firefox! wow |
| 23:20.17 | themill | acu_rodna, wickers: x11vnc doesn't actually need ssh x11 forwarding enabled; the vnc client does but not x11vnc. |
| 23:20.25 | XVal | uh good |
| 23:20.36 | Geek`N`Proud | baz: check out the lenny release notes.. they warn you in there ;-p |
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| 23:20.59 | wickers | themill, really? mmmm |
| 23:21.03 | baz | Geek`N`Proud, it must take a lot of discipiline to make such decisions |
| 23:21.03 | jelly-home | themill: however local port forwarding makes for an easy way of securing the channel to x11vnc |
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| 23:21.21 | Geek`N`Proud | baz: yeah, I can't imagine it's an easy call |
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| 23:21.29 | wickers | themill, any X11 app should need it on, how is x11vnc different? |
| 23:21.30 | themill | jelly-home: err... rather... x11 forwarding isn't requried at all |
| 23:21.34 | sepult | i get pauses and delays hearing sound etc. which are due to heavy system load, for examle when a compilation is under way, another application is stuttering as if they were both using some same resource, what may be the cause ? file system settings ? |
| 23:21.36 | Geek`N`Proud | but it's the way things have to be to keep a system stable |
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| 23:21.42 | jelly-home | themill: exactly! |
| 23:22.14 | jelly-home | does LocalForward 5900 localhost:5900 |
| 23:22.17 | themill | wickers: x11vnc is a very different beast. It doesn't try to open up something on the client's display, it just reads the remote machine's display |
| 23:22.28 | acu_rodna | x11 forwarding was yes |
| 23:22.39 | baz | is it widely accepted that apt-get is the best package manager or are there camps |
| 23:22.39 | wickers | yeah, so tell us the error you got then |
| 23:22.43 | acu_rodna | let me see what exactly the message is |
| 23:22.52 | themill | acu_rodna: you've still not shown us the error or the command(s) you gave |
| 23:23.08 | jelly-home | baz: aptitude is preferred on current stable |
| 23:23.21 | jelly-home | baz: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 23:23.27 | Geek`N`Proud | kernel_image modules_image |
| 23:23.28 | Geek`N`Proud | oops |
| 23:23.44 | jelly-home | baz: it has different bugs than apt. |
| 23:23.50 | jelly-home | baz: /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
| 23:23.51 | acu_rodna | themill let me ask my brother :) |
| 23:23.53 | aixenv | whats the proper procedure to install postfix during preseed? 'd-i pkgsel/include string postfix' doesn't work |
| 23:24.03 | Geek`N`Proud | apt-get has autoremove to deal with the auto-removal of unnecessary packages |
| 23:24.25 | Geek`N`Proud | I use aptitude for it's frontend and apt-get when I know what I want :D |
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| 23:24.28 | XVal | i wana see this channel hit 1000 users |
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| 23:24.43 | XVal | damn this channel is full |
| 23:24.44 | baz | jelly-home, thanks for that info |
| 23:24.56 | aixenv | i was thinking of trying a post install command of 'aptitude install postfix' but im curious why it isnt installing like other packages via d-i pkgsel |
| 23:25.01 | Geek`N`Proud | XVal: I want it to get 1500 users.. just so we can pwn our close neighbour XD |
| 23:25.23 | XVal | hehe |
| 23:25.27 | FirstSgt | how do i get it so i do not get disconnected when i am ssh'd and idle for 10 mins? |
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| 23:25.47 | themill | Geek`N`Proud: why not just use aptitude install foobar instead of apt-get install foobar while you're at it? |
| 23:25.56 | Geek`N`Proud | damn.. you know you're tired when you read liboobs as lib-boobs! |
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| 23:26.15 | Geek`N`Proud | themill: it doesn't feel right :$ |
| 23:26.27 | Geek`N`Proud | I might just make a bash alias some time |
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| 23:26.42 | ringo999 | hi, i have an external harddrive I would like to mount, but I dont know what filesystem it is, how to find out? |
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| 23:26.52 | XVal | #ubnutu's kickn our asses all right |
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| 23:26.58 | XVal | 1380 users :S |
| 23:26.59 | Geek`N`Proud | ringo999: mount -t auto /dev/blah /mnt/blah |
| 23:27.06 | FirstSgt | why would you compare the 2. |
| 23:27.14 | jelly-home | links Geek`N`Proud with libass |
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| 23:27.41 | FirstSgt | apples and oranges, sure they are both fruits... but it's who they are eaten by |
| 23:28.08 | FirstSgt | ubuntu is used by people very very new to linux. on the other hand, debian is not |
| 23:28.08 | nsadmin | oranges are eaten by redheads and apples are eaten by patients |
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| 23:28.27 | Operator | hi , can some people test free linux online game patch ? http://www.l2wolf.com/en/linux_download.jsp , i donno if its working or not let me know my mail is : admin@l2wolf.com |
| 23:28.29 | nsadmin | let me look at that again |
| 23:28.35 | Operator | we didnt test it on Linux yet... |
| 23:28.44 | Geek`N`Proud | nsadmin: but everyone knows Dr. Torvalds pushes Fedora now ;-p |
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| 23:29.16 | themill | Operator: here's not the place to spam |
| 23:30.04 | KC | is it possible to mount an iso to the /media/cdrom folder? |
| 23:30.15 | ringo999 | Geek`N`Proud: thanks a lot that helped! |
| 23:30.20 | aixenv | i always looked at it like this.. ubuntu is more bleeding edge and better for a desktop, whereas debian is more stable, more secure (not as bleeding edge) but great for a server |
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| 23:30.36 | themill | dpkg: tell KC about mount iso |
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| 23:30.42 | KC | cool |
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| 23:31.48 | Geek`N`Proud | aixenv: to liken it more to our "good friend" Windows... ;p |
| 23:32.05 | baz | ubuntu is the greatest thing to happen to debian since apt-get |
| 23:32.09 | baz | :) |
| 23:32.13 | Geek`N`Proud | Debian would be like Win2K - rock solid, well-tested and uses very little RAM |
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| 23:32.48 | vonsp | if i manualy deleted /etc/gconf dir, how can i know which packages i should to reinstall and how ? |
| 23:32.50 | Geek`N`Proud | Ubuntu would be like Vista - loads of proactive security features added but uses loads of RAM and is very new |
| 23:33.18 | baz | Geek`N`Proud, i think ubuntu is more like XP |
| 23:33.19 | acu_rodna | wickers themill and jelly_home: always read the error message (even it is long) well it tells me some that there is an invalit MIT-Magic-Cookie-1 key - I have to give some rights to .Xauthority -display :0 |
| 23:33.31 | aixenv | any lenny preseed experts? |
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| 23:33.49 | Geek`N`Proud | baz: in terms of stability and not being as broken as Vista actually is yeah ^^ |
| 23:34.44 | baz | Geek`N`Proud, ubuntu would be like vista if u turned on every single compiz option :) |
| 23:34.49 | wickers | acu_rodna, yeah, I don't use x11vnc myself... themill's and jelly-home's thoughts on the matter would be better than mine |
| 23:35.05 | wickers | for any remote access beyond SSH I use NX |
| 23:35.19 | themill | acu_rodna: is the user that is logged on to the remote X session the same as the user who is trying to run x11vnc? |
| 23:35.38 | Geek`N`Proud | haha |
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| 23:37.07 | acu_rodna | I tried both as the same user and as different user - I tried to run either Ekiga or x11vnc and neither launches if I try through ssh - but they launch if I try locally - themill |
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| 23:39.22 | acu_rodna | OK, now I see - I tried to launch konqueror through ssh - and it tells me that cannot connet to X server |
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| 23:40.15 | themill | acu_rodna: launching x11vnc through ssh and launching konqi or ekiga are entirely different things |
| 23:41.08 | acu_rodna | themill: may be so, however none starts - I will change the recomendation for the authorization of those cookes MIT-Magic-cooke-1 key - and see |
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| 23:42.47 | khaije1 | on install lenny asks if i want 2.6.26 or 2.6.26-1 is there a functional difference? |
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| 23:42.59 | christoz | greetings, i have a laptop that it's bios utility does not support usb boot, is there any way to find the linux kernel through grub? |
| 23:43.15 | christoz | the image one * |
| 23:43.30 | christoz | and boot from it |
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| 23:44.47 | acu | christoz: what do you want to achieve ? |
| 23:44.57 | wrench- | ok, silly question |
| 23:45.04 | wrench- | say i have /foo |
| 23:45.21 | nsadmin | I want to achieve that I can belive I can conceive with jessica alba! |
| 23:45.22 | wrench- | and i want to create /foo/bar and /foo/baz at the same time |
| 23:45.38 | wrench- | mkdir /foo/[bar|baz] ? |
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| 23:46.10 | themill | acu_rodna: you're still leaving us guessing as to exactly what command you are trying, exactly what the error is and what you've already done to your xauth in the process. Please pastebin them to save us guessing. |
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| 23:46.28 | christoz | acu to boot from usb external drive, where is installed my debian (i'm running live-cd now, laptop's hard drive is corrupted)) |
| 23:46.36 | acu | nsadmin: if your sperm count is 40 million/ml of semen you can do it - otherwise ivf is the solution |
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| 23:49.55 | wrench- | ahh, mkdir -p foo/{bar,baz} |
| 23:49.59 | acu | christoz: there is a configuration file for grub - which you can edit - I use to know about it (grub.conf) located in /etc/grub.conf but I really forgot and did not touch it since long |
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| 23:50.46 | beered | What happened to dnsconfig in Lenny? |
| 23:51.35 | acu | is there any server monitoring tool in which the servers IP shows up ? |
| 23:51.38 | christoz | acu thanks for the starting point |
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| 23:52.14 | FuneralDirector | acu use snort and acid |
| 23:52.19 | FuneralDirector | snort.org |
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| 23:52.35 | beered | how old is debian admin manual? |
| 23:52.50 | FuneralDirector | beered, it is always under development |
| 23:52.59 | FuneralDirector | depends on the wiki |
| 23:53.02 | beered | FuneralDirector: that's not what I was asking. |
| 23:53.05 | FuneralDirector | or debian.org |
| 23:53.14 | johnf | anyone ever seen a package where you can dynamically at buildpackage time choose the package name and install location? |
| 23:53.46 | johnf | ie I want to ENVIRONMENT=stage dpkg-buildpackage and then the package will be called blah-stage and install into /usr/share/blah-stage |
| 23:54.08 | FuneralDirector | johnf, look in synaptic |
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| 23:54.43 | nsadmin | I need a small history lesson... when routing was classful, what identifies a class A net? |
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| 23:55.24 | FuneralDirector | nsadmin, class A is mil gov like janet |
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| 23:55.33 | stew | nsadmin: the first octet being 0-127 |
| 23:55.39 | stew | err 1-127 |
| 23:55.50 | nsadmin | stew: so bit 8 off |
| 23:56.01 | FuneralDirector | bit it off :P |
| 23:56.10 | stew | nsadmin: yes |
| 23:56.20 | nsadmin | cool, thanks... |
| 23:56.32 | stew | and 01 is class B, and 001 is class C and 0001 is class D |
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| 23:57.57 | stew | uhh, i'm insane |
| 23:58.18 | nsadmin | we knew that :P wait, why do you think that? |
| 23:58.19 | stew | 10 being class B 110 being class C 1110 being class D |
| 23:58.36 | nsadmin | oh, and 0... being A |
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| 23:58.59 | stew | yes, just talking about the most significant bits |
| 23:59.09 | nsadmin | right |
| 23:59.24 | stew | and btw, ipcalc will still tell you what class an ip was in |
| 23:59.27 | nsadmin | ok, very good, that completely answers the question. thanks |