| 00:00.20 | valdyn | phanter: if a driver for your mouse - like input device exists, then /dev/input/mice will talk to it |
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| 00:01.04 | phanter | well, I build the driver myself and loaded the modules. I believe they are now in /dev/input/elo_drv |
| 00:01.28 | valdyn | phanter: X might use that too |
| 00:01.59 | valdyn | phanter: cat /dev/input/mice and moving a mouse will print garbage |
| 00:02.11 | valdyn | phanter: you can try with your touchscreen |
| 00:02.23 | phanter | I will try... |
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| 00:03.09 | valdyn | phanter: now if X does not "find" your elo_drv thing you might have to add an inputdevice section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 00:03.11 | pl4yer0ne | cat /dev/input/mice > /dev/dsp =D |
| 00:03.12 | foetus | standard ps2 mice is called over kernel device /dev/psaux -- this is all, what i know, i had a usb-hid combination and it worked well over /dev/psaux.. |
| 00:03.44 | valdyn | foetus: ps2 mice work at both nodes |
| 00:03.58 | phanter | the touchscreen is a serial device |
| 00:04.15 | valdyn | phanter: that doesnt matter really |
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| 00:04.44 | ZeuZ | I need to set the volume 10% higher, I want to do it from my script not through alsamixer, how can I do it? |
| 00:04.45 | valdyn | phanter: unless you want to talk to it via /dev/ttySX |
| 00:05.06 | valdyn | ZeuZ: aumix |
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| 00:05.23 | phanter | Oke so how can I make it talk to it via /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| 00:05.34 | ZeuZ | valdyn, you mean amix? |
| 00:05.35 | valdyn | ZeuZ: ops, amixer |
| 00:05.39 | ZeuZ | er |
| 00:05.40 | ZeuZ | xD |
| 00:05.45 | abrotman | pulls valdyn out of 2001 |
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| 00:05.57 | foetus | phanter: yes, you must configure out the serial device, but mouse is working on /dev/psaux.. |
| 00:06.06 | ZeuZ | Cool, but aint it a possibilities to do it throug somewhere in /proc? |
| 00:06.17 | valdyn | abrotman: not me.. |
| 00:06.56 | valdyn | phanter: have you confirmed that its not at /dev/input/mice ? |
| 00:07.20 | phanter | valdyn: yes it is not there. It is currently on /dev/ttyS0 and on /dev/input/elo_drv |
| 00:07.46 | valdyn | phanter: ok, add a proper Inputdevice section, see man xorg.conf |
| 00:08.22 | phanter | I believe I have a proper inputdevice section |
| 00:08.47 | valdyn | phanter: elo_drv is probably what you should use |
| 00:09.07 | phanter | true, that is what is also in the inputdevice section. Is that not oke> |
| 00:09.09 | phanter | ? |
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| 00:11.31 | lightcap | okay, I continue to be utterly frustrated with the difficulty of getting rubygems to play nice with dpkg |
| 00:12.30 | lightcap | at this point I need to get rubygems 1.3.1 installed and etch uses 0.9.0... I know that 1.3.1 is in the experimental dist, so can I pin that package? |
| 00:12.30 | phanter | should I put /dev/input/mice in the inputdevice section of xorg.conf? |
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| 00:13.22 | foetus | what's with auto? |
| 00:14.36 | foetus | sorry, mistake -- its the protocol, not the device.. |
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| 00:19.34 | phanter | so how can I get xorg to get to listen to /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/input/elo_drv |
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| 00:21.57 | mischief6 | anyone know why debian installer hangs after scanning hardware? |
| 00:23.40 | nsadmin | mischief6: how long do you let it hang? |
| 00:23.57 | mischief6 | first time i let it hang roughly 10 minutes |
| 00:24.09 | nsadmin | hmm, that's a hang allright |
| 00:24.14 | mischief6 | that was in graphical LXDE install |
| 00:24.19 | mischief6 | i tried in non graphical as well |
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| 00:24.42 | nsadmin | so maybe some hardware is being weird... |
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| 00:25.11 | nsadmin | or an attempt to insert a driver that's "close" was "no cigar" |
| 00:25.16 | at0m|c | mischief6: can you still switch to another tty? or did the whole machine lock up? |
| 00:25.56 | mischief6 | at0m|c, i am going to try reburning. :x |
| 00:26.23 | nsadmin | also try to compare md5 sum for the burn you did |
| 00:26.28 | at0m|c | mischief6: does the boot options not let you cd test itself? |
| 00:26.43 | at0m|c | maybe i'm confusing w another installer cd |
| 00:26.47 | mischief6 | i tested it, it failed the check, which is why i am reburning |
| 00:26.55 | at0m|c | alright :D |
| 00:26.56 | nsadmin | oh :) |
| 00:26.59 | nsadmin | well :) |
| 00:27.08 | nsadmin | aallllllllllllllllllll |
| 00:27.10 | mischief6 | all of my cd burners seem very unreliable as of late |
| 00:27.11 | nsadmin | rightey then! |
| 00:27.31 | mischief6 | the one in my desktop doens't burn anything correct, and my second machine has been sketchy too.. |
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| 00:29.31 | nsadmin | tried a cleaner cd? |
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| 00:30.42 | nsadmin | also I guess it's possible to boot the cd image from the hd, but I never tried that |
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| 00:31.19 | nsadmin | you don't have a debian on the machine now do you? |
| 00:31.25 | JordiGH | This sounds like terrible advice... is it? |
| 00:31.27 | JordiGH | http://www.leune.org/blog/kees/2005/05/downgrading-debian-gnulinux-fr.html |
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| 00:31.42 | JordiGH | dselect? |
| 00:32.12 | nsadmin | JordiGH: well first off, downgrading isn't supported as you might know... second, dselect?!!?!?!??!???!?!??! |
| 00:32.36 | JordiGH | A friend running unstable says he can't get his Gnome desktop. |
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| 00:33.29 | mischief6 | the installer is hanging again. at Detect network interface :( |
| 00:33.52 | nsadmin | mischief6: did the cd compare correctly this time? |
| 00:34.15 | mischief6 | didn't check it this time lol |
| 00:34.27 | mischief6 | it automatically goes on to try to install after selecting language |
| 00:34.59 | nsadmin | do you have the drive(s) partitioned the way you want? |
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| 00:35.27 | mischief6 | uh, i dunno |
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| 00:35.45 | nsadmin | oh, so we can assume no |
| 00:35.57 | nsadmin | you'll have to see how the drives are partitioned |
| 00:36.20 | nsadmin | so try this in order... |
| 00:36.27 | nsadmin | first verify the cd |
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| 00:36.33 | mischief6 | i am right now |
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| 00:36.43 | mischief6 | 'lo reZo |
| 00:36.50 | nsadmin | then let it go up to the network detect |
| 00:36.58 | reZo | hai mischief6 |
| 00:37.08 | nsadmin | oh, and try non-gui |
| 00:37.32 | nsadmin | once you get there and it hangs, try alt-f2 |
| 00:38.05 | cuba | hey, if I want to get to single-user read-only level to add new partition by fdisk, should I do it by changing inittab ? would I be able to change it back in the 1.run level ? |
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| 00:38.05 | cuba | if it is read-only |
| 00:38.06 | nsadmin | if that switches you over to a different screen, you're probably not hopelessly hung |
| 00:38.38 | nsadmin | cuba: you probably don't need to go to single user mode |
| 00:38.53 | nsadmin | what is the mount point? |
| 00:39.27 | cuba | it would be permanent partition for guest OS on vbox |
| 00:39.40 | nsadmin | empty? |
| 00:39.49 | nsadmin | to begin with that is? |
| 00:39.50 | cuba | from free space |
| 00:39.57 | cuba | in home/user/ |
| 00:40.21 | nsadmin | so you want to mount a partition on /home/someone |
| 00:40.27 | cuba | how do you mean 'empty' ? |
| 00:40.44 | cuba | yes, permanent |
| 00:40.54 | nsadmin | and you want to copy existing content of /home/someone to the new partition first? |
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| 00:41.29 | cuba | no, I don't want to do that....I just need the partition to put something in it then |
| 00:41.33 | mischief6 | hey nsadmin, the cd checked out |
| 00:41.36 | mischief6 | but it still hangs |
| 00:41.43 | mischief6 | and i can't seem to switch to another tty |
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| 00:42.02 | nsadmin | mischief6: ok, that seems to be a bad hang... how long did you leave it this time? |
| 00:42.28 | mischief6 | we're going on 5 minutes now |
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| 00:42.42 | cuba | it will be a partition like /home/someone/virtualMachine/ and there will be files of guests system on my virtual box |
| 00:42.50 | nsadmin | try ctrl-alt-F2 |
| 00:43.09 | mischief6 | nothing :\ |
| 00:43.32 | nsadmin | cuba: so you will mount it on /home/someone/virtualMachine/ which right now is/will be empty |
| 00:43.36 | nsadmin | yes? |
| 00:43.55 | ajehals | mischief6 : Crashed xsession? or something more serious? |
| 00:44.16 | nsadmin | ajehals: netcard detect is hanging |
| 00:44.20 | mischief6 | ajehals, i checked cd integrity, it checks out. but the installer stalls after 'Detect network hardware' |
| 00:44.33 | cuba | nsadmin, the partition /home/someone/ is right now in use, full of garbage |
| 00:44.38 | mischief6 | i am using a debian lenny i386 lxde+xfce ISO |
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| 00:45.16 | ajehals | mischief6 - system totally unresponsive? If you hit caplock does the light (if you have one)light up on the kb? |
| 00:45.19 | nsadmin | cuba: so where will you mount the new partition? |
| 00:45.33 | mischief6 | ajehals, no capslock. :( |
| 00:45.46 | nsadmin | also, is /home a separate partition? |
| 00:46.23 | cuba | nsadmin, so If I want to create a new partition, it must be mounted under ' / ' ? |
| 00:46.43 | nsadmin | no, you can mount it anywhere there is a directory |
| 00:46.51 | ajehals | Fails after network detection, that is odd, what network cards do you have in that box that drivers are likley to be being loaded for? |
| 00:47.34 | nsadmin | maybe he should lspci before it gets to detect net hardware |
| 00:48.04 | mischief6 | ajehals, it's an intel mobo with onboard card, so i suppose a intel network card |
| 00:48.15 | nsadmin | cuba: take a look at man mount, and then look at your file /etc/fstab |
| 00:48.25 | mischief6 | i can try to lspci from a shell.. |
| 00:48.28 | cuba | nsadmin, so I don't know what do you want to know :) I just have 80gb of free space on harddrive, and I need to create new partition from this space and mount it somwhere |
| 00:48.32 | ajehals | nsadmin - Id say yes, and then try to load the relevant module manually (IIRC they are loaded at the point of Network hardware detection, they should be available after the cd has been scanned...) |
| 00:49.24 | cuba | nsadmin, so my idea was, make it with fdisk, and then edit fstab |
| 00:49.26 | nsadmin | cuba: where do you want to mount it? on /home? on /home/someone? on /home/someone/virtualsomething? |
| 00:49.41 | ajehals | mischief6 : I'd run the installer CD to the point where it has detected all other hardware and then drop into a shell, do an lspci and then try to load the relevant network driver manually (and look for output) |
| 00:50.05 | nsadmin | cuba: do you want to copy stuff from where it is to the new partition? |
| 00:50.11 | ajehals | mischief6 if that is all good you could try getting a DHCP lease. |
| 00:50.21 | cuba | nsadmin: under /home there is mounted /dev/sda8 |
| 00:50.28 | mischief6 | ajehals, i dropped to a shell |
| 00:50.31 | ajehals | you might get some more useful feedback that way. Maybe. |
| 00:50.37 | cuba | nsadmin, I don't want copy any stuff |
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| 00:50.49 | mischief6 | ajehals, i just realized that there is a wireless pci card, you think i could try removing it then installing? |
| 00:51.10 | ajehals | mischief6 - It might be an idea. |
| 00:51.11 | nsadmin | cuba: ok, then you want to mount an empty partition at /home/someone/somewhere |
| 00:51.16 | cuba | just mount a brand new partition under the already existing /home/ partition |
| 00:51.21 | mischief6 | hmm, okay. i will try that ajehals |
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| 00:51.26 | cuba | yes |
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| 00:51.43 | cuba | /home/someone/somewhere |
| 00:51.52 | nsadmin | so when you cd to /home/someone you will still be in sda8 |
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| 00:52.02 | nsadmin | but when you cd to somewhere |
| 00:52.05 | nico_ | hi |
| 00:52.12 | nsadmin | then you will be in the new partition |
| 00:52.26 | nsadmin | and will probably see lost+found there |
| 00:52.27 | cuba | nsadmin, that doesn't make any sense, does it :) |
| 00:52.55 | nsadmin | cuba: unless you're doing lvm, you can't add space to /home |
| 00:53.51 | cuba | so how would you do that, I don't care where it will be, I just need new partition, where could I put the vbox stuff |
| 00:54.05 | nsadmin | so unless you want to copy /home/someone to the new partition (which is not hard), you would mount on some dir off of /home/someone |
| 00:54.35 | nsadmin | right now I'm trying to get what you want |
| 00:54.42 | mischief6 | ajehals, removing the card helped. it seems that was causing the installer to stall. |
| 00:54.53 | nsadmin | I think I know, but I want you to tell me |
| 00:55.29 | ajehals | mischief6 - once you have a working install see if you can get it going, it would also be useful to file a bug report, even if it just means the driver the brought down your system is removed from the installer. |
| 00:55.40 | nsadmin | cuba: ok, decide on a place |
| 00:56.01 | nsadmin | specific, real name this time :) |
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| 00:56.36 | mischief6 | ajehals, i can only imagine how hard it will be to get the wireless card working once i actually get debian installed.. :( |
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| 00:56.53 | nsadmin | also decide how much of the free space you want to use and go ahead and make the partition |
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| 00:57.45 | ajehals | mischief6 - wierdly mine worked during the install (without WPA support...), What is the card btw? |
| 00:58.21 | nsadmin | cuba: also show this: grep sda8 /etc/fstab |
| 00:58.33 | mischief6 | it's a AWLH3028/A |
| 00:58.40 | mischief6 | it has a RTL8185 chipset |
| 00:58.47 | mischief6 | RTL8185L* |
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| 01:01.10 | ajehals | mischief6 - ha, good luck with that... Is this a notebook btw? if it is, and you want a PCMCIA wifi card (and you are in the UK) send me a message with your address, and I'll send you one that works with madwifi (my old one). |
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| 01:03.56 | mischief6 | lol |
| 01:04.10 | mischief6 | ajehals, it's actually an aging desktop, and i live on the west coast of the USA :P |
| 01:04.13 | mischief6 | but thanks for your offer |
| 01:04.20 | cuba | well, /dev/sd8 is a logical partition mounted under /home/ (but part of an extended one) ..... I need to create a new logical partition from free space, lets say sda9 and mount it under /home/ where will be lets say vbox user /home/vbox/blabla |
| 01:04.24 | cuba | http://pastebin.ca/1358663 |
| 01:04.32 | ajehals | mischief6 - ah well, ebay it is then. |
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| 01:13.33 | FlyingFoX | how do i disable some services to be automatically started on boot? e.g. apache |
| 01:15.17 | abrotman | FlyingFoX: man update-rc.d |
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| 01:24.32 | nsadmin | is there an alternative to fail2ban that stays up? |
| 01:24.52 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: fail2ban hasn't ever failed for me |
| 01:25.27 | nsadmin | hmm, it stopped banning 4 days ago |
| 01:25.30 | abrotman | stays up? |
| 01:25.49 | nsadmin | I'm not sure what it's doing, whether the daemon exits or what |
| 01:26.15 | nsadmin | but late copies of fail2ban.log are empty |
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| 01:26.38 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: so check out /var/log/fail2ban.log; you should at least see it change the logging target |
| 01:26.57 | dondelelcaro | (and you should probably see it noticing auth.log rotating) |
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| 01:28.17 | nsadmin | well the log doesn't show the rotating |
| 01:28.23 | nsadmin | this is etch btw |
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| 01:30.09 | nsadmin | and when I do an apt-get upgrade it just wants to upgrade vim-tiny |
| 01:30.28 | nsadmin | which doesn't seem relevent here |
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| 01:30.56 | Sisulous | Is there a command to send a graphic to the clipboard from bash? |
| 01:31.02 | getBoa | whats the best way to upgrade the kernel 2.6.26-1 to the 2.6.27 ? |
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| 01:31.40 | nsadmin | the most recently rotated log is empty |
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| 01:33.34 | nsadmin | is there a backport from lenny? |
| 01:34.17 | nsadmin | also is there anywhere else besides fail2ban.log it logs to for any reason? |
| 01:34.45 | karsten | nsadmin: check your syslog settings. |
| 01:35.16 | getBoa | karsten: do you know how to upgrade lenny kernel to 2.6.27 ? |
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| 01:39.00 | karsten | getBoa: aptitude install <kernel version> |
| 01:39.09 | nsadmin | getBoa: if it's packaged for the version of debian you run, you can just install it... if not, you'd have to build it |
| 01:39.13 | karsten | getBoa: Not sure what's available. |
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| 01:39.44 | nsadmin | getBoa: what specifically do you need that you're looking to upgrade? |
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| 01:44.51 | getBoa | nsadmin: I need to install the wifi card(RTL8187b)... in the debian wiki says to install the 2.6.27 or later |
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| 01:46.56 | maher | i think i set up a xen thingy - how do i get a console on it? |
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| 01:49.34 | luke3321 | Does anyone have any help with the "Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'" problem? |
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| 01:50.51 | dvs | Aw! They came back. |
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| 01:51.27 | luke3321 | Anyone have help with the gnome-settings-daemon problem? |
| 01:51.37 | nsadmin | dvs: ok, stop gossiping about them... shh! |
| 01:51.49 | dvs | nsadmin: deal... |
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| 01:52.01 | getBoa | Hey... Im trying to update my kernel to 2.6.27 or later... What if i write in the source.list deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel sid main and then > sudo aptitude update > sudo aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude > sudo aptitude full-upgrade would it work ? |
| 01:52.34 | nsadmin | getBoa: was away for a sec, but got your post |
| 01:52.47 | dvs | getBoa: You'd have a mess with sid. |
| 01:52.49 | abrotman | getBoa: what's the worst that happens .. you have to reinstall ? |
| 01:52.50 | nsadmin | are you running sid? |
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| 01:53.21 | getBoa | nsadmin: nops... lenny |
| 01:53.36 | P_Kable | hello, is there a way to restore a drive after accidental formatting ? I canceled at the beginning but I appears everything is lost on the drive |
| 01:53.57 | nsadmin | abrotman: computer starts vibrating uncontrollably... panels fly off, land on the cat's tail... |
| 01:54.27 | P_Kable | please, anybody ? |
| 01:54.32 | luke3321 | P_Kable: That would be a very involved process, if possible at all |
| 01:54.53 | luke3321 | And you could be guaranteed full data restoration |
| 01:54.56 | P_Kable | I used gparted to format it, so no way luke3321 ? |
| 01:54.57 | luke3321 | *couldnt |
| 01:55.00 | nsadmin | P_Kable: just restore from your backup |
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| 01:55.16 | P_Kable | it is a 1TB drive, no backup |
| 01:55.18 | luke3321 | P_Kable: Other than a backup, really no |
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| 01:55.27 | getBoa | nsadmin: any idea ? |
| 01:55.38 | P_Kable | thanks anyway |
| 01:55.43 | nsadmin | so you're running lenny, |
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| 01:55.54 | getBoa | nsadmin: yup |
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| 01:56.29 | luke3321 | Anyone that can help with a problem with the gnome-settings-daemon? |
| 01:56.33 | nsadmin | and you should try to look either for the 2.6.27 in lenny archives or backports for lenny |
| 01:56.38 | nsadmin | those should work |
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| 01:58.35 | nsadmin | dondelelcaro, what version of fail2ban you got? |
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| 02:00.03 | nsadmin | I just upgraded from 0.7.5 to 0.8.3 from backports |
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| 02:00.37 | getBoa | nsadmin: aight... ill see |
| 02:00.42 | getBoa | thanks |
| 02:01.00 | nsadmin | getBoa check out http://backports.org |
| 02:01.25 | nsadmin | if you don't find it, your best bet then is to build it yourself |
| 02:02.31 | pzn | in debian etch with exim. in a cronjob I have "echo something | mail someone", and some times by day, I received an e-mail at cron owners account with the text "Can't send mail: sendmail process failed", only that. could not find anything weird in exim logs. most of the time, the e-mail is delivered correctly. where can this problem be? any hints? |
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| 02:04.10 | pzn | about previous question: I have 12 servers with the same problem. randomness in the delivery of the mail messages generated by cron. |
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| 02:04.45 | facedownH | Can anyone recommend a tutorial/guide for git? |
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| 02:04.51 | facedownH | Or mercurial |
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| 02:05.11 | facedownH | Oh, didnt know there was a git channel |
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| 02:07.48 | mischief6 | my resolution used to be 1280x1024, but locked up a minute ago, and now my resolution is 800x600. how can i fix it? |
| 02:08.59 | maher | mischief6: xrandr? |
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| 02:09.41 | getBoa | nsadmin: I was reading an example that all we have to do is to place the patch-2.6.27 into /usr/src/kernel-patches, the kernel in /usr/src/linux and then sudo patch -p1 < /usr/src/kernel-patches/patch-2.6.27 |
| 02:09.46 | getBoa | do you know about that |
| 02:09.47 | getBoa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:10.35 | nsadmin | getBoa: well you could try that |
| 02:11.24 | nsadmin | that's generally how things are done... the thing to remember about debian kernels is that other patches (not to get to a version but to add a specific feature) are also applied |
| 02:11.27 | mischief6 | maher, xrandr says the max resolution is 800x600? why? |
| 02:11.41 | nsadmin | and this can cause the the .27 patch to fail |
| 02:11.46 | nsadmin | still, worth a shot |
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| 02:12.21 | nsadmin | the .27 patch is for plain vanilla kernels |
| 02:12.24 | maher | mischief6: dunno - di you try restarting X? |
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| 02:13.21 | mischief6 | maher, not yet. i can try that |
| 02:13.21 | mischief6 | but i doubt it will help :( |
| 02:13.30 | nsadmin | getBoa: alternatively, you could try to find a patch for 2.6.26 which does nothing except add support for your wireless card |
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| 02:14.38 | pstickne | hello. I am on a 64-bit distribution (sid) and I would like to install 32-bit libraries. in particular, libgmp. |
| 02:14.49 | nsadmin | that would be much less likely to fail, and if it does, probably easier to fix |
| 02:15.03 | pstickne | how could I go about doing this in the least painful manner possible? (I would like both 32 bit and 64 bit versions, if possible) |
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| 02:15.48 | abrotman | !ia32libs |
| 02:16.07 | abrotman | pstickne: apt-cache search ia32 .. i believe there's a package .. or use a chroot |
| 02:16.13 | mischief6 | maher, that helped, thanks |
| 02:16.36 | nsadmin | or do virtualization... that would be a few steps harder |
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| 02:19.35 | virhilo | hello |
| 02:19.50 | virhilo | why this not work? http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 :< |
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| 02:20.31 | abrotman | what not work about it? |
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| 02:21.01 | virhilo | abrotman: my error-i skipped 1 line:) |
| 02:21.06 | virhilo | i 'll try again:) |
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| 02:23.55 | getBoa | nsadmin: but if the wiki says to install the .27 probably that specific driver wouldn`t be in .26. Dont you think ? Well lets see, im dowloading right now the files |
| 02:24.02 | getBoa | hummm hey nsadmin |
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| 02:24.13 | getBoa | the /usr/src is empty |
| 02:24.25 | getBoa | theres no /kernel-patches im there |
| 02:24.31 | getBoa | either /linux |
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| 02:26.40 | virhilo | abrotman: if i configured it how can i test if it's work? |
| 02:26.52 | virhilo | darkstar:/etc/exim4# echo 'sdsdsdasddasda'|exim -d virhilo@gmail.com |
| 02:26.54 | virhilo | ?;] |
| 02:27.10 | abrotman | try to send yourself an email |
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| 02:29.02 | virhilo | abrotman: could you give sample command? |
| 02:29.12 | grayn0de | anyone know where the #debian-arm room moved to? |
| 02:30.07 | abrotman | grayn0de: irc.oftc.net |
| 02:30.17 | abrotman | virhilo: echo 'foo' | mail you@gmail.com |
| 02:30.27 | grayn0de | abrotman: hnx |
| 02:30.33 | grayn0de | thnx* |
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| 02:31.02 | pstickne | abrotman: thanks |
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| 02:33.58 | mischief6 | can anyone help me with my wireless card? |
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| 02:34.17 | mischief6 | the chipset is RTL8185L, and whenever i try to do anything with it, the system hangs. |
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| 02:34.57 | ajehals | mischief6 - so no luck so far... I had a look earlier and noted others with problems but no solid solutions... |
| 02:36.17 | heffay | i created a custom .xinitrc file in my home dir so that my system would login automatically and startx after power on but it no longer loads the cpufreq modules. could someone help me trouble shoot the problem? |
| 02:37.38 | mischief6 | ajehals, could more than one module being loaded cause it to hang? |
| 02:37.39 | SQlvpapir_ | add it to modules conf |
| 02:38.25 | SQlvpapir_ | man modules :) |
| 02:38.53 | _abc_ | !ops does this channel block nicks of the type GuestXXXX ? if so, why ? |
| 02:38.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: _abc_ complains about: does this channel block nicks of the type GuestXXXX ? if so, why |
| 02:39.31 | _abc_ | heffay: put it in /etc/modules |
| 02:39.40 | _abc_ | heffay: put it in /etc/modules.conf |
| 02:39.58 | werdan7 | _abc_: it does |
| 02:40.12 | heffay | ill try that _abc_ |
| 02:40.16 | ajehals | mischief6 - could be, do you know wha is being loaded? |
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| 02:40.43 | heffay | i dont have an /etc/modules.conf |
| 02:40.46 | _abc_ | werdan7: should this not be announced somewhere ? |
| 02:41.01 | mischief6 | ajehals, i do 'lsmod | grep rtl' and 4 results come up |
| 02:41.02 | getBoa | well... bedtime |
| 02:41.13 | heffay | ah i think i see the fix now |
| 02:41.24 | werdan7 | _abc_: that's for the channel ops to decide |
| 02:41.31 | abrotman | _abc_: don't do that .. that was totally uncalled for |
| 02:41.32 | ajehals | mischief6 - any indication what is being loaded when the card is present though? |
| 02:41.51 | _abc_ | abrotman: sorry, i thought it was more private in nature |
| 02:42.30 | abrotman | so you just thought you'd give it a whirl without knowing what it does .. great plan |
| 02:42.44 | heffay | it worked _abc_ thank you |
| 02:43.00 | maher | abrotman: if you knew what it did you wouldn't have to try it! |
| 02:43.07 | _abc_ | well normally that command sends a privmsg to the op du jour. i had no way to know it's a wall here ?! |
| 02:43.24 | mischief6 | ajehals, what do you mean? |
| 02:43.26 | abrotman | no it wouldn't .. |
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| 02:43.37 | crazybyte | anybody alive? |
| 02:43.42 | heroxbd | yeah. |
| 02:43.59 | heroxbd | crazybyte: are you? |
| 02:44.01 | _abc_ | crazybyte: i am not alive |
| 02:44.17 | heroxbd | _abc_: I am. |
| 02:44.23 | _abc_ | liar |
| 02:44.25 | _abc_ | prove it |
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| 02:44.40 | abrotman | _abc_: try #debian-offtopic |
| 02:45.09 | ajehals | mischief6 - is there any indication in your logs as to which module is being loaded for the card...? |
| 02:45.27 | _abc_ | abrotman: seriously, what's the approved way to get an op's attention. |
| 02:45.29 | crazybyte | could somebody show me the list of permissions to /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/group and /etc/gshadow . Are they 0644 for passwd, 0640 for shadow, 0644 for group and 0640 for gshadow . I appologize for my ignorance but i forgot and i'm not sure that they are ok |
| 02:45.31 | crazybyte | thank you |
| 02:46.04 | abrotman | _abc_: not like that .. and did you try /nick Guest1234 ? |
| 02:46.05 | mischief6 | ajehals, what log might i check :( |
| 02:46.24 | crazybyte | these should be the right access permissions to those files but i want to double check |
| 02:46.49 | heroxbd | crazybyte: I guess so. |
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| 02:47.03 | avu | _abc_, in big channels as in this one, you usually just try not to bother the ops at all. especially with a useless question like yours |
| 02:47.07 | crazybyte | heroxbd, did you made an ls -l of them? |
| 02:47.14 | crazybyte | err made/make |
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| 02:47.23 | crazybyte | please could you check |
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| 02:47.29 | avu | _abc_, (it was useless because you could have answered it yourself by using /mode #debian +b) |
| 02:47.30 | crazybyte | thank you again |
| 02:48.29 | ajehals | mischief6 - i'd go for syslog |
| 02:49.16 | ajehals | BornSlippy - d |
| 02:49.34 | mischief6 | ajehals, i found the modules |
| 02:49.34 | ajehals | BornSlippy - I can't see any url that you have pasted for a pastebin... |
| 02:49.38 | _abc_ | avu: abrotman: thanks, it never occurred to me that a command like \!ops will spam the channel and publish all (?) op nicks. i did not know the +b trick. my network connection went down and i was logged in as Guest86xxx and #debian reported banned ?! that's why i asked |
| 02:49.46 | ajehals | sorry, crosspost |
| 02:49.58 | heffay | ok so ive written cpufreq_ondemand into /etc/modules and blacklisted cpufreq_performance in /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist but when i boot its still loading the performance governor |
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| 02:50.05 | ajehals | mischief6 - which is being loaded? |
| 02:50.24 | ajehals | mischief6 - of your rtl*'s (or is it more than one...) |
| 02:50.26 | mischief6 | it is rtl8180 |
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| 02:50.57 | avu | _abc_, it's not a "trick", it's basic IRC usage. try reading documentation about the services you use before bothering the operators of said service with your inquiries :( |
| 02:51.48 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.57 | avu | _abc_, and the nicks of all ops are published on freenode anyway. /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 02:52.17 | virhilo | abrotman: thx-working:) |
| 02:52.32 | crazybyte | heroxbd, could you check again please only to be safe. thank you and sorry for bothering you with something this trivial but it is important in my case. thank you again |
| 02:52.41 | _abc_ | avu thanks, i need to read more docs, usually i just use simple commands and communicate w/o problems |
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| 02:53.03 | Tr0gd0r | anyone know a command that will tell me all the applications using port 80 |
| 02:53.13 | mischief6 | Tr0gd0r, netstat -plant |
| 02:53.15 | avu | Tr0gd0r, netstat -tlp |
| 02:53.16 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp 80 |
| 02:53.19 | mischief6 | lol |
| 02:53.57 | avu | mischief6, combining -a and -l sounds pretty useless? |
| 02:54.08 | abrotman | wins! |
| 02:54.14 | heffay | anyone? |
| 02:55.12 | mischief6 | ajehals, so any ideas on this rtl8180 module, and why things crash? |
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| 02:57.18 | ajehals | mischief6 - The crash is presumably because the card and driver are doing something unxpected, although what is unclear,,, I'd suggest a long googleing session with the module name and card info, Oh and a bug report from you... sorry mate, I'm out of ideas at this point (unless there is something useful in your syslog...) |
| 02:57.49 | _abc_ | Tr0gd0r: you have to be root to see the commands however |
| 02:58.25 | limpio | hi, anybody knows how to restart dwm? it's not in the man |
| 02:58.55 | mischief6 | ajehals, bah, i've already been googling for ages :( |
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| 03:00.16 | ajehals | mischief6 its always fun.... |
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| 03:01.26 | mischief6 | ajehals, lol. i found the RTL8185L drivers on the realtek site ^^ but i only hope that i can inject with them. :( |
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| 03:08.56 | krgn | hey |
| 03:09.03 | krgn | anyone running experimental xorg? |
| 03:09.42 | krgn | I'm trying right now, looks great but my synaptics + kbd don't work properly |
| 03:09.53 | krgn | any tip? |
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| 03:10.33 | d-b | hi can i install from usb ? |
| 03:10.40 | d-b | (if i dd a cdrom image to a usb ?) |
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| 03:12.20 | krgn | d-b: no you need to use syslinux or extlinux for bootloader |
| 03:12.31 | d-b | krgn: if i do that ? |
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| 03:13.01 | krgn | d-b: yes then it should work |
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| 03:13.27 | maher | d-b: yes - assuming your computer can boot from usb - there are special images for the usb sticks - http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:13.50 | sisk | What's the easiest way to tell what driver my HDD is using? |
| 03:13.52 | d-b | maher: couldn't find them.. |
| 03:14.10 | maher | d-b: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:14.33 | d-b | i can see http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 03:14.46 | maher | d-b: that should be it |
| 03:14.57 | d-b | how do i use that then rofl ? |
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| 03:16.48 | maher | d-b: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-usb |
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| 03:18.36 | d-b | ok. |
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| 03:20.08 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me what 'Error 16: Inconsistent filesystem structure' means? |
| 03:20.43 | d-b | cool thank you i see the other more full method - thank you |
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| 03:23.22 | maher | mischief6: your filesystem is damaged - try umounting it and running fsck on it |
| 03:23.32 | Deeta | Would anyone know the commandline syntax to get info about a package (dependencies etc.. etc..) |
| 03:23.37 | mischief6 | maher, i can't boot it :( |
| 03:23.45 | OldMonk | Deeta: aptitude show <package> |
| 03:23.48 | mischief6 | maher, it says that when i try to boot the system with grub |
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| 03:24.28 | OldMonk | Deeta: or apt-cache show ... |
| 03:24.29 | Deeta | OldMonk: Yay :) that worked :) thx :) |
| 03:24.35 | OldMonk | Deeta: you may pay me now |
| 03:24.46 | Deeta | pays homage to OldMonk :) |
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| 03:25.19 | OldMonk | if you really feel obliged, then using full words instead of sms spelling is enough payment for me :) |
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| 03:26.25 | maher | mischief6: boot to single user mode and fsck your fs |
| 03:26.58 | mischief6 | maher, i can't boot to single user mode either |
| 03:27.03 | mischief6 | does that mean the disk is fubar? :s |
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| 03:27.26 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: I'm using the versions in etch, testing and unstable |
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| 03:27.53 | maher | mischief6: can you boot to cd? |
| 03:27.58 | Deeta | OldMonk: Oh in fact i would never use SMS :) i cannot abide that something that has less than 50something keys would dare to call itself keyboard :) (and even possess the audacity to expect you to use it for chatting) |
| 03:28.02 | mischief6 | maher, i can try |
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| 03:28.24 | evilGUI | Is it safe to login to my Debian server over SSH, on a public wifi connection? |
| 03:28.36 | evilGUI | Is the password sent as plain text? |
| 03:28.42 | maher | evilGUI: yes no |
| 03:28.47 | OldMonk | Deeta: sms spelling, e.g. "thx" instead of "thanks" |
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| 03:29.21 | evilGUI | Good, also can I tunnel all of my traffic through my Debian server? |
| 03:29.48 | maher | evilGUI: yes |
| 03:30.24 | OldMonk | evilGUI: if you actually want to tunnel ALL your traffic then ssh is a non-optimal solution |
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| 03:31.20 | evilGUI | OldMonk: Ah. |
| 03:31.26 | sisk | How can I tell what driver a specific device is using? |
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| 03:31.56 | dasunt | I need linux to skip /dev/ttyS1 when booting. |
| 03:32.00 | dasunt | (Using it for lirc). |
| 03:32.10 | dasunt | Debian etch default 686 2.6.26 kernel. |
| 03:32.36 | Rusty1 | sisk: hwinfo, from a root shell |
| 03:32.45 | sisk | Thank you |
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| 03:41.18 | mischief6 | ajehals, it would seem the rtl8180 driver is the cause of this hanging, it made puppy linux hang as well |
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| 03:42.06 | ajehals | mischief6 - bug report!!! get your chip serials and report it! |
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| 03:43.13 | mischief6 | ajehals, how can i submit a bug report :F and where the hell do i find the serial? |
| 03:43.52 | OldMonk | mischief6: in a terminal window: reportbug |
| 03:44.02 | OldMonk | oh! |
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| 03:45.07 | evilGUI | I'm using SSH to tunnel my web traffic through my web browser, should I create a new user account my server? |
| 03:45.14 | ajehals | mischief6 - Serials on the card, as to reporting I'd look to see who maintains those modules and see what they prefer... Best case scenario they have seen it before and can tell you how to fix it, worst case, you are the only one with the problem and will have to learn how to write wifi drivers for linux.... |
| 03:45.51 | ajehals | Jackaruto - so it sometimes survives a power off but not always? |
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| 03:46.18 | ajehals | ok cross post again - sorry. I'm going to bed in a minute. |
| 03:47.12 | mischief6 | ajehals, i know a small bit of C but my knowledge of linux is nowhere that good :P and when you say serial on the card, you mean the vendor of the card and chipset model? or something else? |
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| 03:48.17 | evilGUI | So ssh password auth is secure enough that no one can get my password over wifi? |
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| 03:48.33 | mischief6 | evilGUI, subject to mitm |
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| 03:48.40 | evilGUI | mitm? |
| 03:48.56 | mischief6 | man in the middle attack |
| 03:48.56 | OldMonk | evilGUI: you're asking people to make categorical statements with reference to security, which is not possible |
| 03:48.57 | mischief6 | verify the host key of the ssh server you are contacting |
| 03:49.20 | ajehals | mischief6 - yeah literally the serial numbers on the card - manufacturers sometimes change the chipsets and designs used on the same cards, differentiated only by serial number - so its useful to know... |
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| 03:49.35 | evilGUI | Well I'm going to a Linux user group and I don't want to risk my SSH password getting taken. |
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| 03:49.54 | ajehals | mischief6 - of course sometimes they don't bother to differentiate them at all, but that is a different gripe. |
| 03:49.57 | OldMonk | evilGUI: how much would that password be worth to $evil_hacker? |
| 03:50.07 | mischief6 | evilGUI, make sure you know your sshd's host key beforehand, and maybe consider using SSH keys |
| 03:50.39 | evilGUI | OldMonk: Well, it's the password to my VPS, it has my webserver, my TF2 server and a lot of things. |
| 03:50.40 | mischief6 | oh come on. the system hanged while running fsck |
| 03:50.49 | OldMonk | evilGUI: so, say, $1000? |
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| 03:51.02 | evilGUI | Would it be a good idea to just create a new account? |
| 03:51.08 | evilGUI | With limited access? |
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| 03:51.20 | evilGUI | OldMonk: Eh, I guess. |
| 03:51.23 | zu22 | having problem with java can someone take a look at this plz: http://pastebin.com/f7d1dfe88 |
| 03:51.36 | evilGUI | I'm just worried about infected Windows machines. |
| 03:52.09 | OldMonk | evilGUI: someone would need to spend a lot of time and money to get your password if you're using ssh |
| 03:52.36 | OldMonk | evilGUI: if i were a cracker, i'd myself whether it was worth spending $5000 of time and money to get your password? |
| 03:52.58 | evilGUI | OldMonk: Alright, also if I do create a new user without sudo access, what's the most they could do? |
| 03:53.07 | evilGUI | OldMonk: No. |
| 03:53.33 | OldMonk | evilGUI: they could take over your computer and access all private data stored on it |
| 03:54.00 | evilGUI | OldMonk: Eh, I don't keep anything that private on this machine. |
| 03:54.25 | evilGUI | OldMonk: I just don't want to lose my email accounts. |
| 03:54.29 | OldMonk | they could also turn your machine into an evil spamming and scanning box |
| 03:54.54 | evilGUI | OldMonk: Wouldn't they need a working expliot? |
| 03:54.58 | ajehals | well this is an odd conversations... |
| 03:55.08 | OldMonk | so hypothetically you could receive a knock at 4am from men in dark suits asking why you were e-mailing death threats to mubarak-bhai obama |
| 03:55.20 | evilGUI | OldMonk: heh. |
| 03:55.59 | OldMonk | ajehals: he was asking a question and i was giving a literal and precise answer :) |
| 03:56.54 | ajehals | OldMonk - It was odd, I kept seeing the odd snippet of the conversation and it was getting stranger and stranger. I really should stop using bitchx, I lose track when I am tired. |
| 03:57.04 | evilGUI | I just wanted to know if SSH used strong encryption. |
| 03:57.22 | OldMonk | evilGUI: ok, that's a different question: yes, it does. very, very strong |
| 03:57.49 | Rusty1 | http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/howtos.en.html perhaps subkeys or somesuch ? |
| 03:58.16 | mischief6 | anyone know what it would mean when i get a kernel panic during fsck :( |
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| 03:58.37 | evilGUI | OldMonk: If my password is encrypted how would a man in the middle attack happen? |
| 03:58.41 | ajehals | mischief6 - it means your wifi card isn't your only problem? |
| 03:58.48 | mischief6 | ajehals, apparently |
| 03:58.53 | OldMonk | evilGUI: and to answer your other question, creating a new account with minimal privileges would help mitigate some of the hypothetical security issues. but i'd never say "you're perfectly safe..." |
| 03:58.57 | mischief6 | ajehals, but that doesn't tell me much :P |
| 03:59.05 | ajehals | true, no. |
| 03:59.20 | OldMonk | mischief6: do a ram test |
| 03:59.26 | ajehals | anyway - I'm sorry folks it 03:59 - time for me to knock off. Good night. |
| 03:59.26 | dondelelcaro | evilGUI: if I'm the person in the middle, I send you the keys to encrypt it to me |
| 03:59.43 | OldMonk | evilGUI: i'm not a cracker so i don't know how these things are done, but they definitely are possible. |
| 03:59.53 | evilGUI | dondelelcaro: Wouldn't they have to know the port I was connecting on? |
| 03:59.55 | OldMonk | evilGUI: btw, when did you install debian (and openssh) on your server? |
| 04:00.04 | dondelelcaro | evilGUI: that can all be found out |
| 04:00.16 | evilGUI | OldMonk: When? about a month ago. |
| 04:00.16 | zu22 | how do i tell firefox running on ramdisk partition (liveCD) to use the JRE i downloaded into my usbdisk ( /media/usbdisk/home/sdg/java/jre1.6.0_12/) ? no one seems to know how |
| 04:00.19 | OldMonk | dondelelcaro: only if he's careless about accept key has changed messages |
| 04:00.25 | mischief6 | OldMonk, that is definitely worth a try |
| 04:00.29 | evilGUI | OldMonk: I'm not. |
| 04:00.32 | OldMonk | evilGUI: ok, so you're safe from the weak certificate problem at least |
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| 04:00.33 | dondelelcaro | OldMonk: depends on the protocol |
| 04:00.40 | mischief6 | OldMonk, bad ram would cause a kernel panic during fsck? |
| 04:00.49 | dondelelcaro | mischief6: it could |
| 04:01.04 | OldMonk | mischief6: bad ram would cause your favourite dog to be run over by a truck too |
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| 04:01.13 | mischief6 | i suppose it would cause more than that.. but i have a feeling that is not the cause of my problems |
| 04:01.19 | mischief6 | i have a feeling it's a bad disk |
| 04:01.47 | OldMonk | mischief6: i have a feeling it is... bad disks aren't renowned for causing kernel panics, while bad ram certainly is |
| 04:01.50 | OldMonk | brb |
| 04:02.00 | mischief6 | okay, i'll try memtesting it |
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| 04:02.12 | zu22 | any ideas?? |
| 04:03.34 | Rusty1 | mischief6: what fs on the disk? |
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| 04:07.10 | mischief6 | Rusty1, ext3 |
| 04:07.19 | mischief6 | OldMonk, you were right. the memory is completely fubar |
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| 04:10.34 | Rusty1 | mischief6: not a newly installed wifi card vs. , say raid pci card? |
| 04:11.08 | mischief6 | Rusty1, what do you mean |
| 04:11.40 | Rusty1 | mischief6: i mean like an irq conflict |
| 04:12.16 | mischief6 | i don't think that is the case. i ran memtest and it showed many many errors |
| 04:12.29 | Rusty1 | ok |
| 04:13.30 | Rusty1 | reseat your ram and hope |
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| 04:15.19 | mischief6 | lol, maybe |
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| 04:26.18 | sepult | how can i determine, which mount options and filesystem options were applied formatting a partition ? |
| 04:26.18 | bookson | I have a $50 gift cert I want to use on amazon.... soo... any recommendations? :-) |
| 04:26.56 | sepult | bookson: meta-object-programming ?? |
| 04:26.56 | bookson | I want to buy a linux book. preferably a debian book. |
| 04:26.57 | bookson | mount options: fstab, filesystem: fdisk |
| 04:27.18 | OldMonk | sepult: cat /etc/fstab |
| 04:27.29 | bookson | seplut: Debian book. |
| 04:27.47 | sepult | OldMonk: yes, but what are default options for ext3 ? |
| 04:27.56 | sisk | Wouldn't such a book be out of date by the time it hit the shelves? |
| 04:28.10 | OldMonk | sepult: they're in the 4 field on the line for the device/filesystem |
| 04:28.28 | OldMonk | s/4/4th/ |
| 04:28.28 | bookson | sisk: I don't care. If its good, its a keeper. |
| 04:28.35 | sepult | OldMonk: OldMonk it just tells me default, but what is default ????? |
| 04:29.25 | OldMonk | sepult: default is no options :) |
| 04:30.45 | OldMonk | sepult: from the mount man page: Since Linux 2.5.46, for most mount options the default is determined by the filesystem superblock. Set them with tune2fs(8). |
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| 04:31.03 | sepult | OldMonk: i have a slight choppinnes issue with my binarys stuttering, as if there was not enough ram, i don't know if it's filesystem based or something else |
| 04:31.31 | OldMonk | binaries? |
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| 04:32.06 | OldMonk | sepult: you can check disk performance with hdparm (but read all the caveats before using it, because incorrect usage can destroy your disk) |
| 04:32.08 | sisk | Ever go to install the latest daily build only to find that the driver for your hard drive hasn't been included in the latest kernel yet :-/ |
| 04:32.34 | OldMonk | gave up installing from source circa 1857 |
| 04:32.38 | sepult | OldMonk: like amarok, listening on internet radio get's stuttering, while running a compilation |
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| 04:32.50 | OldMonk | sepult: what does top say? |
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| 04:33.05 | OldMonk | could be a runaway process |
| 04:33.34 | sepult | OldMonk: runaway ? |
| 04:33.56 | OldMonk | yeah, like a train without a driver: out of control and going at full speed |
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| 04:36.31 | bookson | what "volatile" in apt sources mean? testing? |
| 04:36.45 | OldMonk | bookson: packages that change frequently |
| 04:36.57 | bookson | not testing? |
| 04:37.32 | OldMonk | bookson: too frequently to go through the regular experimental->unstable->testing->stable routine |
| 04:38.30 | OldMonk | like clamav -- if you don't have the latest you're vilnerable, so you add volatile to always have the latest clamav available to you |
| 04:38.30 | bookson | OldMonk... should these packages be avoided on production server then? |
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| 04:38.43 | OldMonk | OTOH i'm not a debian package expert, so other people may have better information for you |
| 04:39.26 | _abc_ | what's the canonical procedure to remove a zombie from the process table. it is possible to somehow reap it ? |
| 04:39.31 | bookson | http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 04:39.42 | _abc_ | hmm ? |
| 04:39.43 | OldMonk | _abc_: reboot the system |
| 04:39.55 | _abc_ | OldMonk: obviously without doing that |
| 04:40.01 | OldMonk | _abc_: it only takes up one entry in the process table anyway, don't worry about it |
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| 04:40.13 | _abc_ | can't i attach to it as root using gdb and poke it somehow ? |
| 04:40.32 | OldMonk | _abc_: you /could/ hypothetically edit the kernel's process table and remove or invalidate the entry |
| 04:40.33 | _abc_ | OldMonk: well i worry because zombies occur on a server and they multiply |
| 04:40.53 | OldMonk | _abc_: it's not a process, just an entry in the table, so you can't do anything process-ish to it |
| 04:40.58 | _abc_ | OldMonk: maybe there is a neater way ? some kind of root reparent/undeamonize/wait3 |
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| 04:41.19 | _abc_ | a syscall to purge the zombies ? |
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| 04:41.37 | OldMonk | _abc_: i don't know of any, which is not to say one doesn't exist |
| 04:41.49 | _abc_ | in theory if it set its pgrp to that of init init should reap it, no ? |
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| 04:42.18 | _abc_ | i feel that the lack of a mechanism to reap zombies is a problem |
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| 04:42.34 | _abc_ | bsd does not seem to be able to make zombies, they are always purged somehow |
| 04:42.36 | OldMonk | but why are zombies a problem? doth your process table runneth over? |
| 04:42.51 | _abc_ | OldMonk: eventually it would if i'd let it |
| 04:43.09 | OldMonk | hmm, how large is the process table anyway? anyone know? |
| 04:43.14 | _abc_ | i realize that zombies appear because servers are not programmed correctly, but i need to get the zombies first |
| 04:43.35 | _abc_ | OldMonk: it just keeps growing, you can have sizeof(short) processes at any one time |
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| 04:43.47 | _abc_ | normally |
| 04:43.50 | OldMonk | aix has 32-bit pids, so you'd need some 4 billion or so zombies to fill the process table there |
| 04:43.59 | _abc_ | well this is #debian |
| 04:44.16 | OldMonk | linux seems to have 16-bit PIDs |
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| 04:44.20 | _abc_ | exactly |
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| 04:46.03 | _abc_ | signed ones apparently and positive only |
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| 04:46.11 | OldMonk | 15-bit then |
| 04:46.13 | _abc_ | so 32768 pids, 0 is reserved |
| 04:47.13 | _abc_ | OldMonk: if something creates about 1 zombie per minute the table will be full at most after 22 days |
| 04:47.14 | bookson | why is next release called squeeze? is there a "squeeze" in toy story? |
| 04:47.19 | OldMonk | according to: http://bloggerdigest.blogspot.com/2006/10/linux-zombie-defunct-orphan-process.html -- If the parent process still refuses to reap its zombie process, then issue kill - 9 to remove the parent process. When a process loses its parent, init becomes its new parent and init is known to periodically execute the wait system call to reap any zombie processes. |
| 04:47.27 | OldMonk | - 9 ? |
| 04:47.33 | _abc_ | yes |
| 04:47.54 | _abc_ | ok, so i have to keep track of defunct parent processes and kill -9 on them from time to time |
| 04:48.00 | OldMonk | raju@mail:~$ kill - 9 ls |
| 04:48.01 | OldMonk | bash: kill: : invalid signal specification |
| 04:48.16 | bookson | killall -9 PID |
| 04:48.26 | bookson | get PID from ps -aux | grep process_name |
| 04:48.32 | _abc_ | well not killall, i need the remaining threads to be left alone |
| 04:48.38 | _abc_ | but this is a good start |
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| 04:48.45 | OldMonk | bookson: no. either use kill pid ot killall process-name |
| 04:48.51 | OldMonk | s/ot/or/ |
| 04:49.04 | mischief6 | does anyone know what grub 'error 15' is? |
| 04:49.10 | _abc_ | bookson: it would be nicer to pgrep zombies, get their parent pids, and kill -9 that. scripting, here i come |
| 04:49.15 | mischief6 | or how i can fix grub without reinstalling debian/using rescue system? |
| 04:49.28 | pl4yer0ne | mischief6, gogole probably does |
| 04:49.33 | pl4yer0ne | google even |
| 04:50.21 | bookson | dpkg-reconfigure grub |
| 04:50.28 | anki1 | @mischief: enter grub using any live cd..............then root to ur boot partition and then do "setup (hd0)" |
| 04:51.04 | mischief6 | bookson, i cannot boot the system |
| 04:51.33 | anki1 | mischief6: do u hav any live cd ? |
| 04:51.34 | OldMonk | if the parent isn't dead how can the process become a zombie? |
| 04:51.37 | mischief6 | yeah |
| 04:51.50 | mischief6 | i just did fsck on the filesystem and had it correct a lot of things.. :x |
| 04:51.51 | _abc_ | OldMonk: don't ask ... |
| 04:52.09 | OldMonk | _abc_: something wrong somewhere as per my understanding |
| 04:52.24 | _abc_ | sure, kill -9 the zombie is what they mean |
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| 04:52.30 | _abc_ | i think |
| 04:52.45 | anki1 | then boot with that cd and then type grub. u will enter grub and then "root (to ur partition)" then "setup (ur drive)" |
| 04:52.57 | bookson | anybody knows why lenny has no dpkg reconfigure option for apt? |
| 04:53.09 | _abc_ | OldMonk: i will try it. unforuntately none of the standard tools can select by state z, i have to parse ps output |
| 04:53.13 | _abc_ | that is not clean |
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| 04:54.01 | _abc_ | OldMonk: in fact they are right, a zombie appears when a process has a subprocess and the parent freezes while the child exits |
| 04:54.14 | \amethyst | it doesn't mean the parent has frozen |
| 04:54.14 | _abc_ | and it is the parent that needs to be killed with -9 |
| 04:54.23 | \amethyst | just that the parent hasn't checked on the status of the child |
| 04:54.24 | OldMonk | i thought a zombie was a process whose parent died without doing a wait on it |
| 04:54.37 | anki1 | anyone know how to install lenny "using cd-1 image" without any cd/dvd/usb . |
| 04:54.38 | \amethyst | a zombie is a process that has not been wait()ed on |
| 04:54.59 | OldMonk | ...and the parent is dead |
| 04:55.05 | \amethyst | if the parent dies the zombie process is inherited by init. it is init's job to wait() for and reap these zombies |
| 04:55.32 | OldMonk | \amethyst: so how can a process become a zombie without the parent dying? |
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| 04:55.58 | srbaker | folks |
| 04:56.00 | OldMonk | i mean, the kernel can't predict: process FOO is going to die without doing a wait() at some tage |
| 04:56.02 | \amethyst | OldMonk: if the parent continues running without calling wait(), the child will be a zombie after it dies |
| 04:56.10 | srbaker | i own /var/www/webapps |
| 04:56.18 | srbaker | and /var/www is owned by usual |
| 04:56.25 | \amethyst | OldMonk: from the moment the child process dies, it is a zombie |
| 04:56.25 | srbaker | root.root |
| 04:56.37 | srbaker | is it normal for mkdir -p /var/www/webapps/foo to permission denied? |
| 04:56.39 | \amethyst | OldMonk: unless the parent was already wait()ing |
| 04:56.46 | OldMonk | \amethyst: s/child/parent/ shirley? |
| 04:56.49 | \amethyst | no |
| 04:56.52 | OldMonk | ah, right |
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| 04:57.09 | OldMonk | \amethyst: ah, right... thanks |
| 04:57.15 | \amethyst | kill -9 the parent is overboard |
| 04:57.20 | \amethyst | try killing the parent normally |
| 04:57.32 | \amethyst | the article you pointed to suggested kill -CHLD the parent |
| 04:57.37 | OldMonk | srbaker: no |
| 04:57.54 | srbaker | ssh stevenrbaker.com mkdir -p /var/www/webapps/naturallygrown/releases/20090312045441mokey:repo |
| 04:57.55 | srbaker | that works |
| 04:57.59 | bookson | mkdir -p in a www directory is not a good idea, unless you know what you are doing. |
| 04:58.01 | srbaker | this doesn't |
| 04:58.02 | srbaker | ssh stevenrbaker.com echo "foo" && mkdir -p /var/www/webapps/naturallygrown/releases/20090312045441foo |
| 04:58.02 | srbaker | mkdir: /var/www: Permission denied |
| 04:58.08 | \amethyst | though it's likely the parent is ignoring sigchld, or it would already have caught it |
| 04:58.10 | srbaker | bookson: i do. |
| 04:58.36 | srbaker | http://pastie.org/413860 |
| 04:58.41 | \amethyst | but, still, ordinary kill (SIGTERM) is much better. Only use kill -9 if the process you are trying to kill doesn't respond to SIGTERM |
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| 04:59.04 | \amethyst | srbaker: mkdir is running locally |
| 04:59.19 | \amethyst | srbaker: that's { ssh stevenrbaker.com echo "foo"; } && mkdir -p blah |
| 04:59.20 | srbaker | wtf |
| 04:59.21 | OldMonk | hehheh |
| 04:59.30 | srbaker | this is vlad |
| 04:59.33 | \amethyst | srbaker: because the shell sees && as a command terminator |
| 04:59.38 | srbaker | fuck |
| 04:59.43 | srbaker | how did this work only two days ago |
| 04:59.46 | srbaker | on my other server |
| 04:59.49 | srbaker | fuck |
| 04:59.51 | srbaker | thanks |
| 04:59.51 | \amethyst | srbaker: try ssh stevenrbaker.com sh -c 'echo "foo" && mkdir -p blah' |
| 04:59.53 | OldMonk | srbaker: it didn't |
| 05:00.17 | zu22 | ok this is weird, running debian testing, had to reboot vps and i noticed apache wasn't running so i did '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' and nothing hapepned then i looked in /etc/init.d and saw there is an "apache", "apache2", "apache2.2" and "apache2.3" ! running apache2.3 fixed it but why is debian doing this?? it should have just upgraded and pointed /etc/init.d/apache2 to the new version of the binary! |
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| 05:00.58 | zu22 | shall i file a bug on this? |
| 05:01.07 | zu22 | or is this "normal" debian policy, seems crazy |
| 05:01.08 | \amethyst | zu22: apt-file search /etc/init.d/apache2.3 does not return anything |
| 05:01.15 | \amethyst | zu22: where is that file coming from? |
| 05:01.26 | \amethyst | zu22: do you have any third-party repositories? |
| 05:01.31 | zu22 | \amethyst: i installed from the apache2 package |
| 05:01.43 | _abc_ | any better way to list procs than: ps -e --no-headers -o pid,state |
| 05:01.47 | zu22 | \amtheyst: oh yeah let me get that for u |
| 05:01.50 | _abc_ | i am looking for state Z |
| 05:02.03 | \amethyst | zu22: what does dpkg -S /etc/init.d/apache2.3 say? |
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| 05:02.32 | mischief6 | _abc_, htop |
| 05:02.42 | mischief6 | or pstree maybe |
| 05:03.03 | OldMonk | _abc_: ps -e --no-headers -o state,pid|grep '^Z' |
| 05:03.16 | _abc_ | OldMonk: ps -e --no-headers -o ppid,pid,state |
| 05:03.22 | _abc_ | yes, with grep |
| 05:03.26 | _abc_ | ok, i can see a way |
| 05:03.34 | OldMonk | _abc_: state would be easier to grep if it's first in the list |
| 05:03.42 | _abc_ | cron job |
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| 05:04.15 | _abc_ | OldMonk: it does not matter, there are at most like 300 legit processes and i can run the task every 10 minutes or so with low priority |
| 05:04.20 | zu22 | \amethyst: here is my sources.list: http://pastebin.centos.org/24731 |
| 05:04.44 | zu22 | \amethyst: it says: dpkg: /etc/init.d/apache2.3 not found. |
| 05:05.12 | _abc_ | OldMonk: i need to kill ppid if state is Z, so i actually need only ppid,state |
| 05:05.18 | \amethyst | zu22: so it wasn't put there by debian |
| 05:05.20 | _abc_ | but getting the pid is better |
| 05:05.28 | _abc_ | to check after that |
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| 05:05.55 | _abc_ | of course this is totally non-portable to bsd or anything else |
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| 05:06.12 | _abc_ | i'm done. thanks, bye |
| 05:06.17 | OldMonk | ...but you said you don't have zombies in bsd! |
| 05:06.19 | zu22 | \amethyst: it must have, i installed apache2 only via debian package manager |
| 05:06.42 | zu22 | \amethyst: actually 2.3 is dated older than 2.2 and so on, with apache2 being the newest date |
| 05:07.06 | \amethyst | zu22: then apache2 is the one you want |
| 05:07.15 | zu22 | \amethyst: i wonder why '/etc/init.d/apache2' now fails (it used to work) but '/etc/init.d/apache2.3' works! weird |
| 05:08.09 | OldMonk | zu22: maybe because some apache is already running? |
| 05:08.46 | zu22 | OldMonk: nope no other apaches were running |
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| 05:09.10 | \amethyst | zu22: perhaps some other admin installed apache 2.3 and overwrote some of the files from the apache2 or apache2.2-common package? |
| 05:09.16 | zu22 | \amethyst: and when i tried '/etc/init.d/apache2 start' it gave no output, no errors on console, no errors in /var/log/* ! anyway to force it to give more info? |
| 05:09.29 | OldMonk | zu22: tail /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 05:09.43 | zu22 | \amethyst: ah maybe |
| 05:09.46 | OldMonk | or sh -x /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 05:09.52 | srbaker | i need a dir added to my path globally |
| 05:09.55 | srbaker | and ssh isn't seeing it |
| 05:10.02 | OldMonk | path? |
| 05:10.13 | srbaker | i have it in .profile |
| 05:10.15 | \amethyst | srbaker: for all users, even for non-interactive shells? |
| 05:10.20 | srbaker | \amethyst: yes |
| 05:10.35 | OldMonk | .bash_profile |
| 05:10.51 | \amethyst | OldMonk: not loaded for non-interactive shells |
| 05:10.55 | zu22 | OldMonk: no output from either of those commands |
| 05:11.17 | OldMonk | \amethyst: not as per the manual |
| 05:11.27 | OldMonk | ah, but only if you use --login |
| 05:11.29 | zu22 | you guys think i should backup my access.log (want it for historical analysis) and my apache config files and install fresh apache2 ? |
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| 05:11.42 | \amethyst | srbaker: you can put it in /etc/environment |
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| 05:12.57 | srbaker | hrm |
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| 05:13.17 | srbaker | \amethyst: if i edit PATH there, is it appended, or replaced with what i put in /etc/environmetn? |
| 05:13.26 | \amethyst | srbaker: replaced |
| 05:13.32 | srbaker | that's not really good then |
| 05:13.33 | srbaker | damnit |
| 05:13.41 | srbaker | what about per-user |
| 05:13.45 | \amethyst | srbaker: get the default path and add something to the beginning |
| 05:13.56 | \amethyst | srbaker: the user can still add their own stuff to it |
| 05:13.57 | OldMonk | srbaker: PATH=${PATH}:/new/directory/to/add |
| 05:14.17 | srbaker | OldMonk: only works if ${PATH} is available in /etc/environment |
| 05:14.18 | srbaker | is it? |
| 05:14.23 | \amethyst | srbaker: the problem is there's no dot-file for non-interactive shells, unless a particular environment is set |
| 05:14.44 | OldMonk | srbaker: no, but then you're not setting the variable in /etc/environment anyway |
| 05:14.54 | OldMonk | srbaker: you're specifying a file to source |
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| 05:19.02 | sussudio | well, that sucked balls. |
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| 05:19.12 | OldMonk | i personally wouldn't add to $PATH purely for running commands through ssh |
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| 05:19.53 | sussudio | something managed to lock up my PC during a apt-get upgrade. |
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| 05:23.20 | Elive_user96_en | how close can you get debian to look and act like elive? |
| 05:23.30 | enouf | libc6 upgrades are ... fun |
| 05:24.01 | OldMonk | wonders what an elive is? |
| 05:24.02 | enouf | Elive_user96_en: nobody cared |
| 05:24.44 | [C]hris | Serously? |
| 05:24.55 | bjh1 | i dont know much about elive -- do you know what version of enlightenment it uses? |
| 05:25.08 | [C]hris | e17 |
| 05:25.34 | enouf | whips out his enormous epenis |
| 05:25.49 | OldMonk | applies ebobbitt(1) |
| 05:26.04 | enouf | ENOBOBBIT! |
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| 05:26.57 | [C]Hris | whoops[ |
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| 05:27.24 | bjh1 | anyway i think e16 is all thats in the debian repos |
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| 05:28.09 | OldMonk | later |
| 05:28.36 | [C]Hris | i could source it though? |
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| 05:29.53 | [C]Hris | source or add repos |
| 05:30.06 | enouf | crawls back into to cave to contemplate (read; BTFOO) his social issues |
| 05:30.12 | bjh1 | presumably yeah |
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| 05:30.24 | sepult | gah Xorg is a memorgy hog |
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| 05:30.54 | bjh1 | im actually curious about testing it myself |
| 05:31.17 | enouf | sepult: try a nice DE :-P |
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| 05:32.51 | sepult | enouf: makes up to 1GB with swap.... |
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| 05:35.39 | sepult | what is shared memory ? |
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| 05:37.03 | sepult | what is the highest possible priority for a process ? |
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| 05:42.32 | enouf | niceness? |
| 05:42.57 | enouf | !shm |
| 05:42.58 | dpkg | it has been said that shm is simple harmonic motion, avoid at all costs, or known as mit-shm (ask me about it ...) |
| 05:43.05 | enouf | bah |
| 05:43.34 | enouf | Shared Mem is for posix crap mostly |
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| 05:45.18 | enouf | sepult: man nice ; man renice |
| 05:45.57 | sepult | enouf: i have a run-parts process with prio 30, all else is at at most prio 20.... |
| 05:46.34 | enouf | 30 is invalid, afaik |
| 05:46.55 | debian-user | anyone can tell me how i can use module-assistant with driver source i got from the vendor? |
| 05:46.57 | enouf | the range is -19 ->20 |
| 05:47.05 | sepult | enouf: it switched to prio 39 now, niceness is at 19 |
| 05:47.11 | enouf | or -20 - +19 |
| 05:47.35 | enouf | 69 would be better :-P |
| 05:48.21 | enouf | debian-user: which one? |
| 05:48.53 | debian-user | enouf: driver for my wireless card, the chipset is RTL8185L. i have the drivers from realtek. |
| 05:49.05 | debian-user | debian tries to load RTL8180 for it automatically but that hangs the system |
| 05:49.11 | debian-user | i need to file a bug report.. |
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| 05:50.04 | enouf | http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
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| 05:51.00 | debian-user | enouf: doesn't help me. :( |
| 05:51.26 | enouf | some people are incapable |
| 05:51.35 | muddd | might they strike down your bug report with great wrath and furious anger? |
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| 05:52.29 | debian-user | enouf: i have already tried using that wiki article. what other way can i put it? the rtl8180 module doesn't work for my card. |
| 05:53.09 | kenboo | compile, and try. |
| 05:53.41 | debian-user | kenboo: compile what? |
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| 05:53.56 | dondelelcaro | debian-user: if the rtl8180 driver is loaded, then that means that the kernel developer was pretty sure that card was supported by that driver |
| 05:54.08 | dondelelcaro | debian-user: if it doesn't, it's a bug that probably should be filed. |
| 05:54.19 | dondelelcaro | debian-user: first, though, you should try building a more recent kernel to see if that works. |
| 05:54.37 | dondelelcaro | regardless, you can't use module-assistant to build vendor-provided drivers directly. |
| 05:54.39 | debian-user | dondelelcaro: more recent than what is distributed with 5.0? |
| 05:55.05 | dondelelcaro | debian-user: yes, as in 2.6.28.7 or 2.6.29-rc7 or similar |
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| 05:55.19 | debian-user | dondelelcaro: i don't want to have to file a bug report. but i don't know what else to do to make sure this driver really doesn't work |
| 05:55.43 | Supaplex | changes his nick to donedelclrao just to keep it interesting ;) |
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| 06:00.50 | debian-user | dondelelcaro: what place can i go to find out how to upgrade my kernel? |
| 06:01.16 | kenboo | www.kernel.org *grin* |
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| 06:03.04 | mokkan | hey, i'm running an intel gma 950 graphics chip... i just enabled the VESA framebuffer and now everything in X is kind of tinted a dark gold color, anyone know what's up? |
| 06:03.47 | Supaplex | !tell debian-user -about kp |
| 06:04.11 | muddd | anyone know of a good howto for making a limited secure shell login account? |
| 06:06.49 | Supaplex | how limited? rbash perhaps. |
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| 06:07.16 | muddd | someone that wont let them install programs i dont want them to have, or otherwise get me in trouble with the law? |
| 06:07.30 | muddd | i shall google rbash |
| 06:10.46 | \amethyst | muddd: how much access do they need? |
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| 06:11.51 | muddd | login via ssh, execute files in /home/(name)/bin and have a /home/(name)/writeable folder |
| 06:11.59 | muddd | and not snoop around the rest of the system |
| 06:12.34 | \amethyst | where will the things in /home/(name)/bin come from? |
| 06:12.39 | \amethyst | provided by you? |
| 06:12.42 | muddd | yes |
| 06:13.05 | kenboo | rbash sounds good for the purpose. |
| 06:13.09 | muddd | on second thought, nothing writable... |
| 06:13.10 | \amethyst | maybe best to put them in a chroot |
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| 06:13.46 | muddd | and so I have to read about setting their login enviroments then? |
| 06:14.18 | muddd | would this affect logging in locally as well as via ssh? I wouldn't care if it did, nobody will be logging in locally anyways |
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| 06:40.47 | sepult | ⅞ |
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| 06:51.25 | wiretapt | just released: new Alex Jones film: OBAMA Deception |
| 06:51.26 | wiretapt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrpRocaEfQE&playnext_from=PL&feature=PlayList&p=582F24A0E9D9FD89&index=0 |
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| 06:51.51 | anki1 | how to create a pppoe connection in lenny |
| 06:52.37 | anki1 | any graphical way to do this |
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| 06:54.51 | ectospasm | hmmm... it seems you can't install GRUB without a /boot partition... |
| 06:55.13 | ectospasm | I was about to chuck this machine out a window because of that. |
| 06:55.37 | nkuttler | ectospasm: hm? a / partition will do. |
| 06:56.42 | ectospasm | nkuttler: I dunno, I know I made a / partition, but no /boot... but then again, I did bork the / partition too, so maybe that's why it was... |
| 06:57.30 | ectospasm | I was talking to a girl on the phone while trying to reinstall this OS, and I couldn't concentrate, on her or the install (-; |
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| 07:00.35 | Sa[i]nT1 | I am trying to broadcasta video with VLC, but i can't get it to be able to be seen by other people, just people on my LAN. |
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| 07:11.54 | Glanzmann | ?? nvidia |
| 07:12.14 | Glanzmann | What do I have to do to install Nvidia Modules on Debian Lenny? |
| 07:12.27 | Glanzmann | There was this automatic infrastructure that does all the heavy lifting. |
| 07:12.33 | Glanzmann | I forgot its name. |
| 07:13.30 | Glanzmann | module assistant |
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| 07:28.53 | xoz__ | Glanzmann: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 07:33.57 | maxagaz | is there something like symantec ghost on linux ? |
| 07:34.13 | muddd | dd? |
| 07:34.14 | dacs | I am trying to download and install Debian 5.0 in my HP laptop, when i go to debian.org, and choose the CD option, i see there is over 20 CDs! which one should i choose? |
| 07:34.27 | xoz__ | maxagaz: gparted? copying partitions |
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| 07:34.52 | xoz__ | dacs: just get the first 1... or just use netinstall cd |
| 07:35.02 | nkuttler | dacs: netinst, /msg dpkg ig |
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| 07:35.57 | xoz__ | dacs: debian is meant to be installed thru the net. no need to get all... its package management will help you pull the other resources from the web. the most important is you have the basic debian system as a starting point. |
| 07:36.04 | Glanzmann | xoz__: Got it, but xrandr doesn't work. |
| 07:36.23 | Glanzmann | But I think it is because my nvidia card is way to new for Lenny. :-( |
| 07:36.54 | dacs | sweet thanks folks |
| 07:36.59 | xoz__ | Glanzmann: google for that model with linux keyword. |
| 07:37.43 | Glanzmann | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0861 (rev b1) |
| 07:38.07 | Glanzmann | It is the one in the new mac mini |
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| 07:44.45 | patintin_ | waves |
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| 07:45.12 | patintin_ | i need help on this sample script => http://pastebin.ca/1358842 |
| 07:45.31 | patintin_ | how can i properly make use of the case statement using dialog on bash? |
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| 07:48.58 | nkuttler | patintin_: your question is too vague |
| 07:49.22 | Deepa | !info mydns |
| 07:49.27 | Deepa | nooo |
| 07:49.29 | Deepa | No MyDNS? |
| 07:51.31 | patintin_ | nkuttler: please take a look at http://pastebin.ca/1358842 |
| 07:51.52 | patintin_ | nkuttler: if you try to execute that one, it will not work as expected |
| 07:52.19 | patintin_ | nkuttler: i am trying out dialog. previously without dialog, it worked fine |
| 07:52.41 | patintin_ | nkuttler: my problem is on how to interpret the $CHOICES |
| 07:54.05 | Deepa | Is it hard to make packages? |
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| 08:04.57 | mythomaniac | was it the netinst or the businesscard cd that allowed one to choose which version of debian to install, for example testing or stable? |
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| 08:09.58 | nkuttler | patintin_: paste the output from when you run it |
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| 08:10.50 | patintin_ | nkuttler: it just say, it's a wrong input and goes back to the menu again |
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| 08:11.10 | nkuttler | patintin_: paste the output from when you run it |
| 08:11.53 | patintin_ | nkuttler: Wrong input. |
| 08:12.02 | patintin_ | nkuttler: that's the output |
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| 08:13.31 | nkuttler | patintin_: then what you pasted isn't what you run |
| 08:13.32 | patintin_ | nkuttler: even choosing the CANCEL, ESC, and whatever choices from the menu, it gives me a "wrong input" output. |
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| 08:14.01 | patintin_ | nkuttler: it is |
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| 08:14.24 | nkuttler | patintin_: ok, i can't help you then. try #bash |
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| 08:17.54 | SuperRR | Hi! I'm getting: LILO loads the initrd file into the first 15MB of memory to avoid a BIOS limitation with older systems (earlier than 2001). |
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| 08:18.07 | SuperRR | ...how do I check whether my system can use the large-memory option? |
| 08:18.08 | heliedgar | Hi evryone |
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| 08:27.10 | ShredZ | I have a server which is so flooded with /USR/SBIN/CRON jobs that I can't log in as root anymore (or su to root for that matter). Is there anything I can do ? |
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| 08:27.29 | Deepa | sudo? |
| 08:27.31 | Deepa | single user mode? |
| 08:28.03 | ShredZ | sudo isn't installed it seems |
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| 08:30.13 | SuperRR | My system still has lilo on it, is it easy to switch to grub? I'm halfway in upgrading the box to lenny |
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| 08:45.33 | flourish | hello, a small question about the naming of apache module. Whe we use IfModule, for example mod_rewrite, we use <IfModule mod_rewrite.c> but not <IfModule mod_rewrite.so> , why? |
| 08:46.43 | et | it's not called .so on every platform |
| 08:46.54 | et | could be .dylib or .dll or ... |
| 08:47.23 | flourish | but in debian, i think it always .so or .c |
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| 08:47.50 | et | apache isn't a debian (or linux) only thing ... |
| 08:47.59 | flourish | the .c is the programming source i think, the .so is the module? |
| 08:48.12 | flourish | et: yes, but now i am using debian/gentoo/ubuntu |
| 08:48.32 | dondelelcaro | flourish: because that's the name of the module |
| 08:48.34 | sepult | the .so is the shared library |
| 08:48.50 | sepult | like the dll's from windows |
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| 08:49.25 | flourish | dondelelcaro: but when locate mod_rewrite.c , nothing found |
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| 08:49.58 | et | flourish: so what? the apache configuration is done that way because apache is multiplatform, what's wrong with that? |
| 08:50.11 | flourish | sepult: ;-) oh, yes, it is shared library |
| 08:50.13 | dondelelcaro | flourish: the name of the module has little to do with the filename of the compiled module |
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| 08:50.43 | phorce1 | flourish: there needs to be a standard naming across platforms in the config files. You use >IFModule xxx.c> trgardless of where apache is running. On Linux boxes it will know to load xxx.so, on Windows boxes it will know to load xxx.dll, etc. |
| 08:51.42 | flourish | phorce1: thanks, i just want to know how it works. i mean how <IfModule xxx.c> load xxx.so |
| 08:51.52 | phorce1 | obviously sucks at touch typing -- need more light |
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| 08:52.09 | et | flourish: it doesn't load it. |
| 08:52.13 | dondelelcaro | flourish: IfModule is a dirrective that just processes the enclosed block if the module is loaded |
| 08:52.22 | dondelelcaro | flourish: LoadModule is what actually loads modules |
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| 08:52.47 | anki1 | what does .so stands for |
| 08:52.53 | et | shared object |
| 08:53.15 | flourish | LoadModule rewrite_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so; |
| 08:53.34 | negge | I want to copy my old /home/user directory to a new drive, I tried with "cp -R * <destination>" but it doesn't copy hidden files, and "man cp" doesn't seem to mention anything about hidden files. How do I copy these? |
| 08:54.04 | flourish | maybe i can say, where the xxx.c defined since <IfModule> depends on it |
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| 08:54.29 | flourish | negge: maybe cp -a |
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| 08:54.46 | negge | flourish: I'll try that |
| 08:54.47 | flourish | negge: or rsync -avz -u --progress |
| 08:54.48 | rich3kr0w | negge the big problem is that '*' |
| 08:55.01 | rich3kr0w | any time you use * it specifically omits finding dot files |
| 08:55.12 | dondelelcaro | negge: cp -ar . /path/to/new/directory |
| 08:55.16 | dondelelcaro | (or similar) |
| 08:55.28 | rich3kr0w | I think there may be a bash option you could set to change that behavior, but do like dondelelcaro says and use . instead of * |
| 08:55.30 | et | that, of course, depends on your shell |
| 08:55.48 | AcTiVaTe | -a does more than the . :P |
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| 08:56.07 | rich3kr0w | activate, if you say ls -a * you won't get dot files |
| 08:56.27 | dondelelcaro | yes... but you certainly *want* -a if you're copying your home directory |
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| 08:56.36 | et | (setopt globdots; cp -R * destination) in zsh |
| 08:56.39 | negge | dondelelcaro: thank you too |
| 08:56.49 | rich3kr0w | cp -a . will work where cp -a * will not work. It's all in that * versus that . |
| 08:57.02 | negge | I thought * meant "everything" |
| 08:57.12 | rich3kr0w | negge, no,l * means everything but dot files |
| 08:57.15 | rich3kr0w | -l |
| 08:57.19 | AcTiVaTe | rich3kr0w: No, .* works better |
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| 08:57.26 | flourish | I know IfModule process the enclosed block fi the module, mod_rewrite for example, is loaded, and LoadModule load the module, but both are related to xx.so, no xx.c's bussiness? It makes me puzzle |
| 08:57.32 | dondelelcaro | it's dotglob in bash |
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| 08:57.35 | et | that is not true, * just means what your shell defines it to be |
| 08:57.45 | rich3kr0w | activate, .* gives you both . and .. |
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| 08:58.04 | phorce1 | flourish: as dondelelcaro said -- loadmodule command defines what modules are loaded for ifmodule to work with |
| 08:58.10 | rich3kr0w | et, the unix standard is that dot files are hidden from * but of course a shell can change that behavior |
| 08:58.18 | rich3kr0w | but the DEFAULT is that * does not show dot files |
| 08:58.37 | dondelelcaro | in fact, * can be made to not match any set of files in many shells |
| 08:58.41 | flourish | phorce1: So i think in the directive IfModule, it should be <IfModule xxx.so> |
| 08:58.43 | negge | et: I see |
| 08:58.47 | dondelelcaro | (via GLOBIGNORE in bash, for example) |
| 08:58.57 | negge | "cp -arv . /path/blablabla" seems to do the trick |
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| 08:59.13 | dondelelcaro | flourish: it could be anything that apache's writers wanted. They used the source file name, since that's what's known at compile time |
| 08:59.40 | negge | took me one hellova time to transfer ~700 GB from one drive to a USB drive... Finally it's done |
| 08:59.54 | dondelelcaro | flourish: the module has no clue what file it's named; you could just as easily go mv foo.so bar.so; LoadModule bar.so; and IfModule foo.c |
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| 09:00.35 | dondelelcaro | (it also means that the code is simpler, because it doesn't need to try to figure out if it's a .so, .a, .dll, or whatever insane type of loadable object someone comes up with in the future) |
| 09:00.58 | flourish | dondelelcaro: you means, in linux system it always be xxx.c in <IfModule> . emm. Maybe xxx.c is defined in xxx.so. thanks very much |
| 09:01.15 | dondelelcaro | it's not maybe; it is. |
| 09:01.44 | flourish | strings /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so |grep rewrite.c |
| 09:01.46 | flourish | /build/buildd/apache2-2.2.11/modules/mappers/mod_rewrite.c |
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| 09:01.51 | phorce1 | flourish: no, IFModule always uses xxx.c so that an httpd.conf can be easily portable across platforms. The only thing that would have to change if moving a whole server setup from a Win box to a Linux box would be the LoadModule commands and those should be in a separate include file rather than directly inside httpd.conf |
| 09:01.52 | flourish | dondelelcaro: yes, |
| 09:02.25 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: it actually predates any concerns with portability |
| 09:02.49 | dondelelcaro | (it may even predate .so; I'm not sure) |
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| 09:04.29 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: probably does -- most likely became convention when "modules" had to be selected and added at compile time. Then they actually would always be .c files. |
| 09:05.19 | flourish | i guess, when apache start, it load all modules that are loaded by LoadModule and catch all the strings. Then when find the directive <IfModule xxx.c>, the apache will search the xxx.c in the preview strings. :-) |
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| 09:05.48 | flourish | If find, process the enclosed block. |
| 09:06.25 | flourish | thanks for your discussion. I think i got it :-) |
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| 09:10.15 | flourish | B.T.W when compile the mod_clamav for apache2, something wrong with it. Nothing find from google. Does someone has experience on it? |
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| 09:11.03 | Guerin | !wayc flourish |
| 09:11.03 | dpkg | flourish: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
| 09:11.20 | flourish | additional, when compile it on gentoo, everything is ok. |
| 09:11.31 | flourish | dpkg: no such package in the repository |
| 09:11.31 | dpkg | flourish: I give up, what is it? |
| 09:11.51 | flourish | a modole for apache2 to virus scan |
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| 09:11.59 | flourish | usually for windows user |
| 09:12.07 | phorce1 | giggles |
| 09:12.47 | flourish | ;) |
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| 09:13.23 | flourish | can you please help me to look at it? |
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| 09:13.49 | flourish | http://software.othello.ch/mod_clamav/ |
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| 09:15.15 | AcTiVaTe | I run clamav on my etch server normally installed using apt iirc |
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| 09:16.16 | Guerin | AcTiVaTe: thew apache module or the standalone thing? |
| 09:17.05 | AcTiVaTe | double checks |
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| 09:19.26 | AcTiVaTe | My bad, tis only the standalone daemon |
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| 09:24.58 | nocture | this may be a bit off-topic, but we have a wireless here with WPA protection, the pass is 4 cifres, however the network manager in gnome wants at least 8, is there some "blank chars" you can put in for the rest ? |
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| 09:26.38 | AcTiVaTe | nocture: Why not just change the protection key to 8 chars? |
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| 09:26.49 | AcTiVaTe | nocture: Alot safer too |
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| 09:27.40 | heroxbd | exit |
| 09:27.41 | heroxbd | exit |
| 09:27.51 | heroxbd | halt |
| 09:27.56 | heroxbd | halt |
| 09:27.59 | heroxbd | reboot |
| 09:28.19 | nocture | well AcTiVaTe |
| 09:28.26 | nocture | i dont have access to the AP administration ;< |
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| 09:30.39 | Skaarj_ | hi |
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| 09:32.54 | berat | hey |
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| 09:33.03 | berat | i have acer aspire 5720g laptop |
| 09:33.11 | berat | i install debian |
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| 09:33.38 | berat | and in deterct hardware step in installation |
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| 09:33.48 | berat | it gives error |
| 09:34.07 | berat | "no disk drive detect you can select this in that lis" |
| 09:34.12 | berat | what can i do for that |
| 09:34.18 | berat | i dont know my disk drive |
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| 09:40.38 | Kohvihoor | is there a way to disable shutdown if there is more than one user logged in? |
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| 09:42.45 | bolt-work | Kohvihoor: huh? |
| 09:43.14 | berat | hey |
| 09:43.19 | berat | can someone answer me |
| 09:43.26 | berat | i cannot install debian |
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| 09:43.40 | berat | it said disc drive not detect |
| 09:43.45 | berat | what can i do for that |
| 09:43.46 | bolt-work | berat: stop abusing your enter key first. secondly, what are you installing from? which image? |
| 09:43.53 | Kohvihoor | bolt-work: i have set up a multiseat system, and i want to disable shut down, when two users are logged in on the computer |
| 09:43.54 | berat | sorry for enter |
| 09:44.06 | berat | debian sqeezer |
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| 09:44.24 | bolt-work | try using the normal lenny installer |
| 09:44.40 | berat | iand i tried to install d3ebian leny installer 31 january |
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| 09:44.46 | berat | it gaves same error |
| 09:45.20 | bolt-work | Kohvihoor: I think you'd need to create a script for that. Or disallow your users from shutting down the system altogether. After all, why would they need to? |
| 09:45.22 | phanter | Just installed Lenny. I attached my touchscreen (serial connection). and compiled and installed drivers. when I do "cat /dev/ttyS0" then it prints rubbish (which is good), but xorg does not use my input device. Any idea how to fix this? |
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| 09:46.07 | SunnyDP | phanter:probaby not ttyS0 ? |
| 09:46.25 | phanter | SunnyDP: why not? |
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| 09:46.35 | bolt-work | berat: try #debian-tr |
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| 09:47.28 | sky_ | hi i cant delete from trash 2 directorys...anyone can me help ? |
| 09:47.57 | bolt-work | sky_: how are you trying to delete what directory, and does your user have permissions to do so? |
| 09:48.05 | SunnyDP | phanter: forget it, i had problem with ttyUSB0 at a point,that;s why |
| 09:48.13 | phanter | oke :) |
| 09:48.30 | phanter | could the problem be similar? Any idea if your solution could work for me? |
| 09:49.05 | sky_ | bolt-work: directorys say that i can do all...(deleting, moving ....) but i cant remove it from trash....i dont know how i can run trash as root and delete it |
| 09:49.58 | bolt-work | sky_: i'm not sure how your trashcan works. try restoring them and deleting them from the console, perhaps? |
| 09:50.16 | sky_ | i try it now |
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| 09:51.16 | siyb | sky_: ~/.local/share/Trash (under Gnome) |
| 09:51.51 | siyb | you can manually delete the files from the Trash there, or restore and delete them using the console |
| 09:51.55 | total | Hello, i found server manage panel http://lxlinuxdemo.lxlabs.com:7778/, but this is only for CentOS, maybe Debian have somethink ? |
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| 09:52.14 | sky_ | siyb: no i cant it say that i dont have permissions |
| 09:52.23 | sky_ | hmm via console i get this |
| 09:52.32 | siyb | sky_: are you familiar with the su command |
| 09:52.35 | sky_ | root@sky-ubuntu-gnome:/home/sky/.local/share/Trash# rm trash:///_pidgin-2.2.5.5 |
| 09:52.35 | sky_ | rm: nelze odstranit „trash:///_pidgin-2.2.5.5“: No such file or directory |
| 09:52.40 | Kohvihoor | bolt-work: ofc i can make that only my account can shut down the computer, but since i will be the only maintainer of the systems i'm building, i may not have time to deal with random restarts, when something crashes or something. |
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| 09:53.08 | stevedondley | ping dondelelcaro |
| 09:53.09 | siyb | sky_: su; cd /home/sky/.local/share/Trash/files; ls |
| 09:53.28 | siyb | sky_: what are you doing trash:/// for pls |
| 09:53.43 | kunal | siyb: i have good news |
| 09:54.00 | siyb | kunal: nice, managed the network connection? |
| 09:54.02 | kunal | i ran a live CD and sucessfully got connected into debian :) |
| 09:54.07 | siyb | no1 |
| 09:54.09 | kunal | i got online. |
| 09:54.13 | total | Hello, i found server manage panel http://lxlinuxdemo.lxlabs.com:7778/, but this is only for CentOS, maybe Debian have somethink ? |
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| 09:54.35 | kunal | siyb: now phase 2 will start soon. which is installing debian from a live CD. |
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| 09:54.49 | kunal | already found the manual? |
| 09:55.10 | jelly | sky_: a) trash:// url isn't supported by your shell, so that's normal (use gnome tools or figure out the real path) b) we don't support ubuntu |
| 09:55.17 | bolt-work | Kohvihoor: well, you could probably check for currently logged in users, but what about other users who actually did log out but are running important background processes, for instance? |
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| 09:55.39 | sky_ | jelly:but ubuntu is debian based :D |
| 09:55.46 | kunal | i mean i already found it. |
| 09:55.57 | jelly | sky_: yes. and we cannot support it. |
| 09:56.00 | kunal | btw. iceweasel is beter than ifre fox! |
| 09:56.05 | jelly | sky_: try #ubuntu |
| 09:56.06 | kunal | firefox |
| 09:56.10 | SunnyDP | kunal: why ? |
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| 09:56.27 | sky_ | jelly:yea i try there and here |
| 09:56.33 | SunnyDP | kunal: 1 reason ! that's all |
| 09:56.51 | sky_ | SunnyDP: have nicer icon :D |
| 09:56.56 | siyb | jelly: that question is not distribution specific .. don't be so nitpicky about it, if someone answers it so what Oo |
| 09:57.10 | SunnyDP | Pohahha! |
| 09:57.18 | kunal | why is iceweasel better than firefox? |
| 09:57.27 | jelly | !tell sky_ -about ubuntu |
| 09:57.28 | kunal | because its cooler than firefox! |
| 09:57.54 | sky_ | ok |
| 09:58.10 | jelly | siyb: /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 09:58.14 | jelly | siyb: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 09:58.50 | siyb | are you posting bot commands because you are incapable of argumenting your point yourself |
| 09:58.54 | siyb | how sweet :> |
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| 09:59.09 | bolt-work | christ |
| 09:59.14 | sky_ | he maybe think that i am noob that i am using ubuntu and not debian :( |
| 09:59.20 | jelly | siyb: no, I don't want to waste time rehashing an old argument |
| 09:59.32 | siyb | jelly: well guess what, you just did |
| 09:59.41 | sky_ | mmm but i try only get answer because on ubuntu they cant help me :X |
| 09:59.54 | bolt-work | sky_: no, he thinks you should ask for help in your distribution's channel, or in ##linux, if it's not distro-specific |
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| 10:00.59 | jelly | siyb: you win. now cut the offtopic crap out please. |
| 10:01.29 | siyb | sky_: rm -ir ~/.local/share/Trash/files/* (please be careful with rm and THINK before messing up your system) |
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| 10:01.45 | SunnyDP | RM IS 4EVER |
| 10:01.52 | bolt-work | wtf |
| 10:02.22 | siyb | i = interactive (you get asked if you want to really delete the file) r = recursive, please also concider man rm and reading about the structure of a *nix filesystem |
| 10:02.32 | siyb | so that you understand what the heck you are doing |
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| 10:04.22 | sky_ | on ubuntu they said me this command : sudo rm -rf /home/your_name/.local/share/Trash/ |
| 10:04.24 | sky_ | and it works |
| 10:04.31 | sky_ | but thank you guys for time :) |
| 10:04.36 | siyb | sky_: look at my command please |
| 10:05.01 | siyb | it's the same, i just didn't delete your entire trashbin |
| 10:05.18 | siyb | there are 2 subdirectories within Trash, you might not wanna remove both of them |
| 10:05.27 | Boohbah | sky_: yes, if you've done that then you will need to recreate the Trash directory |
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| 10:06.23 | Kohvihoor | bolt-work: important background processes like what? users will be only running a browser, skype and a few other simple programs. |
| 10:06.27 | siyb | Boohbah: i _think_ that it will be done asap something gets moved into the bin icon, but i am not sure bout that |
| 10:07.38 | sky_ | It'll automatically recreate the Trash folder next time you trash something, so it's fine to delete it. |
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| 10:09.16 | sky_ | what do you think about switching from *buntu to debian ? |
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| 10:11.05 | siyb | sky_: in your case i wouldn't recommend it, seeing that you don't seem to know anything abount the structure of your operating system |
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| 10:11.32 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:11.32 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 10:11.39 | sky_ | siyb: i know only what i need to know :> |
| 10:11.41 | tarzeau | sky_: great idea. i've got a tool |
| 10:11.47 | SunnyDP | sky_: debian is for servers i guess |
| 10:11.57 | tarzeau | SunnyDP: it's also a great workstation |
| 10:11.59 | SunnyDP | ubuntu is more user desktop media friendly |
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| 10:12.25 | SunnyDP | tarzeau: i guess you only have to add the repositories for the software right ? |
| 10:12.30 | tarzeau | sky_: http://gnu.ethz.ch/linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/ |
| 10:12.35 | tarzeau | SunnyDP: no, it's all in debian |
| 10:12.39 | tarzeau | SunnyDP: but you got to configure more |
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| 10:13.56 | SunnyDP | tarzeau: a lot more ? i have always enjoyed ubuntu out the box for my desktops |
| 10:14.17 | CalJohn_ | I'm having trouble getting Netbeans to load. in the log for netbeans, it says that the openjdk is being used. I just get a grey window and netbeans doesn't start |
| 10:14.17 | SunnyDP | will have to try Deb 5.00 for a while to realy notice a diff |
| 10:14.32 | sky_ | tarzeau: interesting ! |
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| 10:17.56 | siyb | CalJohn_: i am getting asskicked now i guess, but try using the non-free java vm |
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| 10:18.06 | mozzz | hi |
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| 10:18.22 | virhilo | by default cron send mail report to all users? |
| 10:18.38 | mozzz | how can i connect a mac osx computer and a debian computer who are in the same wlan? |
| 10:18.48 | Arafangion | mozzz: Define "connect". |
| 10:18.53 | virhilo | mozzz: ssh? |
| 10:18.56 | mozzz | I mean, in order to copy files |
| 10:19.04 | virhilo | mozzz: ssh scp sshfs:) |
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| 10:19.23 | phanter | i want to install a package that depends on firefox, but I have iceweasel installed. How can I make the the package to install? |
| 10:19.28 | bolt-work | i've used debian on my desktop for years. i hate autoconfigured crap. i set it up once, then keep copying my config and making whatever required changes come with upgrades |
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| 10:19.38 | mozzz | virhilo, where do I find a step by stpe tutorial? |
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| 10:20.35 | bolt-work | mozzz: how do you want to "connect" them? |
| 10:21.04 | mozzz | bolt-work, in the easiest way to be able to copy file |
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| 10:21.18 | bolt-work | man scp then |
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| 10:22.20 | mozzz | bolt-work, ok |
| 10:22.33 | virhilo | mozzz: and man sshd :) |
| 10:23.30 | bolt-work | mozzz: if you want a more permanent solution where you can browse the other computer's files and play videos and whatnot from it, check out sshfs |
| 10:24.01 | virhilo | bolt-work: to play videos via lan nfs is better solution:) |
| 10:24.09 | bolt-work | !nfs |
| 10:24.09 | dpkg | i heard nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 10:24.11 | bolt-work | :) |
| 10:24.26 | nareshov | lol |
| 10:24.28 | nareshov | !nfs4 |
| 10:24.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, nfs4 is http://helix360.de/tutorials/nfsv4/9/ |
| 10:24.33 | disgrntld | What's the cleanest way to fix this ICQ connect error in Lenny? I'm hoping for a fix like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=488852#80 but for an amd64 lenny box with version 2.4.3-4 of libpurple0? |
| 10:24.41 | bolt-work | besides, what if you want to play some "private" videos? might want the encryption |
| 10:25.01 | virhilo | how to set list os users which cron 'll send report to?;] |
| 10:25.02 | nareshov | nothing scp/ssh can't do i hope |
| 10:25.03 | disgrntld | connect error in Pidgin* |
| 10:25.08 | mozzz | bolt-work, ^Cmgatto-2:~/Documents moz$ scp tesipoliorcetica/ 192.168.1.105:/home/ |
| 10:25.08 | mozzz | ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.105 port 22: Connection refused |
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| 10:25.30 | virhilo | mozzz: configure an run ssh server first |
| 10:25.32 | bolt-work | mozzz: is .105 your debian box or macosx? |
| 10:25.40 | virhilo | on maqchine which you want to log in;] |
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| 10:26.29 | mozzz | virhilo, the macosx gives and the debian receives. debian is 105. where should I start ssh server? |
| 10:26.40 | bolt-work | mozzz: on .105 |
| 10:26.43 | bolt-work | mozzz: apt-get install ssh |
| 10:27.02 | mozzz | bolt-work, i already have ssh but i guess i should install sshd |
| 10:27.02 | bolt-work | answer yes to "do you want to run server blah blah" |
| 10:27.16 | bolt-work | yep |
| 10:27.40 | bolt-work | mozzz: also, you need -r to transfer directories recursively btw |
| 10:28.49 | mozzz | bolt-work, this way? ......... scp -r tesipoliorcetica/ 192.168.1.105:/home/ |
| 10:28.58 | bolt-work | mozzz: yep |
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| 10:29.20 | bolt-work | mozzz: and you probably need to scp as root if you want to write to /home/ directly |
| 10:29.35 | bolt-work | mozzz: to scp to root@192.168.1.105, that is |
| 10:30.13 | bolt-work | mozzz: you will only have the permissions of the user you ssh as, unless you specify a user@host |
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| 10:30.38 | virhilo | it's correct to cron send mail report to normal user;] |
| 10:30.38 | mozzz | bolt-work, it's working |
| 10:30.44 | bolt-work | mozzz: goodie :D |
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| 10:40.53 | jimpy | sudo nice -19 command - will that be high or low priority? |
| 10:41.00 | bolt-work | very high |
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| 10:41.24 | jimpy | likewise sudo renice -19 pid would be very low? |
| 10:41.39 | jelly | jimpy: -19 is always the highest. |
| 10:41.40 | bolt-work | -19 is still -19 |
| 10:41.50 | bolt-work | 20 is very low |
| 10:42.21 | jimpy | are you sure cos' i am finding the man pages on these commands very confusing |
| 10:42.24 | bolt-work | renice just sets the nice value of a currently running command, while nice is used to launch a program with a given nice value |
| 10:42.38 | bolt-work | jimpy: yes, sure. -19 very high priority, 20 very low |
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| 10:42.54 | jimpy | perfect, thanks |
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| 10:43.27 | jelly | man renice: Useful priorities are: 20 (the affected processes will run only when nothing else in the system wants to), 0 (the ‘‘base’’ scheduling priority), anything negative (to make things go very fast). |
| 10:44.02 | bolt-work | you should avoid those extremes though, afaik. just set it to whatever is more or less prioritized than what you want it to compare to |
| 10:44.04 | jelly | info coreutils nice: Nicenesses range at least from -20 (resulting in the most favorable scheduling) through 19 (the least favorable). |
| 10:44.28 | jimpy | !dpkg tell me about renice |
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| 10:44.47 | jelly | "info nice" _still_ doesn't work correctly |
| 10:45.23 | jelly | wonders if that particular bug in Debian's info is ten years old |
| 10:45.37 | jimpy | ok i have another thought what is the point in -n <nicevalue> switch |
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| 10:48.04 | beardy | jelly: What's wrong with it? |
| 10:48.56 | jelly | beardy: "info anythingincoreutils" brings up man page instead of info |
| 10:49.05 | Trewas | it's very nice (pun intended) that nice and renice command lines work so differently, "nice -10 $CMD" starts the process with low priority (10), while "renice -10 $PID" gets high priority (-10) |
| 10:49.05 | jelly | say, info ls |
| 10:49.22 | beardy | jelly: Ah. Yes it does. |
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| 10:49.51 | jimpy | Trewas: thats exactly what im finding confusing |
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| 10:50.11 | Mads78932 | Hi. I am considering buying a Dell computer with an Intel core i7 cpu. ATI Radeon HD 3450 gfx card. Anybody got experience with installing Lenny on such a machine? Should I expect problems? |
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| 10:50.34 | beardy | You're confusing yourself, if that even is tru that it swallows a priority without -n. |
| 10:50.38 | jimpy | Trewas: how yould you start a command using nice to high priority: nice +10 command? |
| 10:50.38 | beardy | true |
| 10:50.58 | Trewas | jimpy: nice --10 gets high priority |
| 10:51.20 | jimpy | world just got a bit clearer |
| 10:52.53 | Trewas | actually nice and renice come from different packages (coreutils and bsdutils), no wonder they use incompatible logic |
| 10:53.12 | jelly | jimpy: nice -n -10 something |
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| 10:54.00 | jelly | just made his machine very slow with sudo nice -n -10 dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null |
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| 10:54.27 | jelly | Trewas: it's not the logic that's incompatible, it's the syntax. |
| 10:54.37 | jelly | nice levels are the same |
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| 10:55.48 | jimpy | so in a nutshell nice starts a command with a nice value and renice uses an offset (-9 on a nice value of +10 = nice value +1)? |
| 10:55.49 | Trewas | yes, but logic behind parsing the syntax is different, renice just wants the nice level as argument and nice wants to have an option which can be the nice level (so starts always with -) |
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| 10:57.11 | phanter | I just installed songbird (forced it to), but now apt-get keeps complaining about it. How can I make apt-get work normally again? |
| 10:57.16 | Trewas | jimpy: nice -NICELEVEL and renice NICELEVEL, so there is just the extra - in front of nice-level with nice |
| 10:57.31 | bolt-work | !tell phanter about error message |
| 10:57.41 | thechef | I always have to run alsaconf to have sound again. |
| 10:57.57 | phanter | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:57.59 | phanter | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.33 | bolt-work | phanter: do you have weird stuff in your sources.list? |
| 10:58.34 | jelly | phanter: that package cannot work in Debian |
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| 10:59.09 | phanter | jelly: special reason why it cannot work? |
| 10:59.40 | jelly | phanter: because it has wrong dependencies and there's no "firefox" in debian? |
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| 11:00.14 | phanter | jelly: I know, therefore I installed iceweasel and forced dpkg to install songbird. |
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| 11:00.22 | jelly | phanter: tell your third party packager to fix it |
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| 11:00.48 | phanter | This way all dependencies are met, just dpkg does not know that. Now I want to use dpkg again |
| 11:00.54 | phanter | , but it does not let me :( |
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| 11:01.56 | virhilo | anybody know why cron send mail to my user instrad of root user? |
| 11:02.05 | jelly | phanter: you could repackage it with fixed dependencies, I guess |
| 11:02.05 | lxsameer | does aptitude use apt tool? |
| 11:02.51 | jelly | lxsameer: no, it uses the same libapt library underneath as apt does |
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| 11:03.02 | maxagaz | i have a hard drive well configured on a computer, and about 20 computers which are exactly the same, what is the best way to reproduce the same configuration on those 20 computers ? |
| 11:03.10 | phanter | never made a package for myself... :( it would be strange if that is really needed ! |
| 11:03.11 | thechef | I always have to run alsaconf to have sound again. How can I avoid running alsaconf again and again after each reboot? |
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| 11:03.37 | sky_ | tarzeau: hi i am watching on your tool...but i think that it only changes repo ? |
| 11:03.42 | AndrewMohawk | Hi, ive created a trivial repository with various custom applications within their own folders, eg http://{host}/app1, http://{host}/app2 and within each {app1,app2} i have the .deb and Packages.gz as explained via the docs on debian.org, however when i try install two applications after each other with aptitude i get the following message: "trying to overwrite `/Packages.gz', which is also in package <app2>", how can i fix this? |
| 11:03.42 | jimpy | thechef: rc.local? |
| 11:03.53 | lxsameer | jelly: what about dpkg , does it use that lib to? |
| 11:03.54 | tarzeau | sky_: no not only, but mostly |
| 11:04.19 | jelly | phanter: (as root) dpkg --extract foo.deb somedir/; dpkg --control foo.deb somedir/DEBIAN; edit somedir/DEBIAN/control; dpkg -b somedir . |
| 11:04.24 | thechef | jimpy: how can rc.local help me? |
| 11:04.38 | jelly | phanter: running inside fakeroot would probably work as well |
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| 11:04.50 | phanter | :) thanks jelly... does not make it vey clear for a rooky in that area |
| 11:05.08 | bolt-work | maxagaz: puppet / puppermaster might work |
| 11:05.14 | bolt-work | puppetmaster* |
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| 11:05.44 | jimpy | thechef: /etc/rc.local gets run (iirc) after rc scripts. Put the alsa command in there (ensire it is non-interactive or tour computer will not boot) |
| 11:05.57 | maxagaz | bolt-work, i'm using puppet, it's a great tool, and i'm planning to use it with those computers |
| 11:05.57 | jelly | lxsameer: no, dpkg is a lower level tool. WhY? |
| 11:06.35 | maxagaz | bolt-work, but i was thinking about making a ghost of the first configuration onto the 20 other computers |
| 11:06.46 | lxsameer | jelly: i wnat to know . |
| 11:06.47 | jelly | phanter: a rookie shouldn't use broken packages from suspicious sources, I guess :-> |
| 11:06.53 | AndrewMohawk | anyone got an idea about my problem? |
| 11:07.17 | phanter | jelly: never said that I was a rooky with linux |
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| 11:08.38 | phanter | how can I make something depending on either firefox or iceweasel or firefox and iceweasel? |
| 11:08.40 | bolt-work | maxagaz: well, you can go low level and make a drive image, or you can simply tar the whole root file system, if you're only using one |
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| 11:09.16 | jelly | lxsameer: in this context, dpkg is a low level tool used to install and remove packages and manage the current installed state. apt and aptitude are higher level and deal with resolving inter-package dependencies and download. |
| 11:09.39 | bolt-work | maxagaz: also, afaik, norton ghost does ext2/3 if you feel like going that route. i've used their multicast functions before, which were very good. sent the image once, all the computers received it :) |
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| 11:09.48 | jelly | lxsameer: both apt and aptitude call dpkg for actual installation and removal. |
| 11:09.56 | phanter | is it with the "|" in between? |
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| 11:10.50 | jelly | phanter: yep, replacing Depends: ..., firefox, ... with Depends: ..., firefox | iceweasel, ... ought to do the trick |
| 11:11.08 | jelly | phanter: mind the (exactly one) space before and after | |
| 11:11.39 | phanter | thanks |
| 11:11.46 | thechef | jimpy: it is interactive. I forgot to say that previously it worked without running alsaconf. The sound card is no longer accessible with alsamixer (no matter what device number parameter i use). I want to revert that unknown change. Should I try to purge all alsa packages and reinstall them - Which packages? Or is there a better tool than alsaconf that cleans up my configuration and makes sure that my audigy soundcard is detected at boot |
| 11:11.48 | thechef | time and set to to default sound device? |
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| 11:14.06 | phanter | oke. fixed that and send a message to the package owners to help future debian users |
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| 11:17.51 | itai_michaelson | hi, if i set linux as gateway for clients to access internet, can i set different permissions for different users ? (for example user A can access google but user B can only access yahoo) |
| 11:17.58 | maxagaz | bolt-work, ok, i was actually wondering if there were a better freeware alternative to norton ghost |
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| 11:19.20 | buffoon_work | itai_michaelson, yes, you can do that with a proxy server. Either with IP Adresses/Hostnames (which is not very secure) and a transparent proxy or via auth and not transparent (which means you have to configure your browser) |
| 11:19.34 | spersaud | everyone should seed the torrents file ... lets spread debian worldwide |
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| 11:20.23 | itai_michaelson | buffoon_work, you mean configure the clients' browser? |
| 11:20.29 | buffoon_work | itai_michaelson, yes |
| 11:20.47 | itai_michaelson | buffoon_work, the client can be windows though? |
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| 11:21.06 | buffoon_work | yep, that doesn't matter |
| 11:21.25 | itai_michaelson | also - what proxy server should i use ? |
| 11:21.29 | dennda | Ant comes with gcj in debian. Is it easily possible to use it with sun-java instead? |
| 11:21.38 | buffoon_work | I'm using squid for this stuff |
| 11:21.48 | itai_michaelson | squid |
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| 11:22.15 | itai_michaelson | ok - thank you - time to google squid |
| 11:22.22 | itai_michaelson | adios |
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| 11:26.40 | PiousMinion | Do the latest versions of the debian installer always install "testing", whatever it happens to be? |
| 11:26.56 | phanter | I instelled a touchscreen with serial driver. I compiled the driver and it seems to work. When touching the screen I get output on /dev/ttyS0. I added the driver to the xorg.conf. However, the mouse is not reacting on any touch. How can I make xorg (more) aware of the serial touchscreen device? |
| 11:27.18 | dacs | what is the best way to install fresh lenny in a lappy that has vista. so that i can use vista and lenny ? |
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| 11:27.54 | PiousMinion | dacs: resize your vista partition? |
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| 11:29.05 | themill | !setup.exe |
| 11:29.05 | dpkg | somebody said setup.exe was a way of installing Debian Lenny from windows. It is contained on <CD1>, just insert the CD and let it autorun. You can also use it from a usb install. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-win32 for more details or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com |
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| 11:39.57 | my007ms | i have change many things in my network card remove some and add some how i can make my system re-generate all network config ? |
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| 11:43.05 | bolt-work | my007ms: what do you mean? |
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| 11:43.14 | bolt-work | my007ms: what did you change in your network card? |
| 11:43.30 | my007ms | i was have built-in card |
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| 11:43.35 | bolt-work | my007ms: you probably just want to edit /etc/network/interfaces so it says something sane |
| 11:43.56 | my007ms | but it was not detected so i use other one to make upgrade and download the driver |
| 11:44.38 | my007ms | after i find i remove the external card so my built-in card named eth1 while there is not eth0 |
| 11:45.16 | bolt-work | my007ms: http://blog.dhampir.no/content/where-to-rename-network-interfaces-in-debian-etch |
| 11:45.27 | bolt-work | should still be valid for lenny |
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| 11:45.45 | my007ms | thx |
| 11:46.08 | cahoot | my007ms: try /msg dpkg z25 |
| 11:46.49 | bolt-work | ah. that's the one |
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| 11:52.44 | zarock | hi |
| 11:52.51 | zarock | any sparc debian user here ? |
| 11:53.03 | wonderwal | hi am i correct a line like this in sources.list would mean when debian decides a package in stable needs updating (for whatsoever reason), the user should upgrade: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free , and deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main packages will only be upgraded for security reasons? |
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| 11:54.12 | _pepo_ | hi friends |
| 11:54.30 | rgr | If I plug a SATA PCI controller into my debian based system can I expect it (typically) to be picked up and "just work"? I am looking at replacing a sole IDE drive on a server with a dual SATA drive RAID. Anything "linux" orientated I should worry about? |
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| 11:54.46 | bolt-work | !tell zarock about pollquestions |
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| 11:56.07 | _pepo_ | I've used amd64 for my destop, but now I wanna install Lenny in a server with Intel Xeon (64bits) processor. Do I need ia64? |
| 11:57.15 | bolt-work | _pepo_: amd64 |
| 11:57.26 | wonderwal | how can i learn what contrib, non-free, main is? |
| 11:57.27 | bolt-work | _pepo_: ia64 is something entirely different :) |
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| 11:57.50 | amphi | wonderwal: such things are explained in the debian reference, I believe |
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| 11:58.49 | _pepo_ | but, Is amd64 just for amd processors? Xeon is an Intel processor |
| 11:59.21 | negge | _pepo_: I believe it's for both Intel and AMD |
| 11:59.33 | bolt-work | _pepo_: amd64 is for 64bit |
| 11:59.38 | bolt-work | _pepo_: it's just called that |
| 11:59.42 | batcoder-7 | what is your guys player of choice video wise? |
| 11:59.50 | bolt-work | !polls |
| 11:59.50 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 11:59.58 | batcoder-7 | heh |
| 12:00.14 | cahoot | batcoder-7: the generic answer is mplayer |
| 12:00.23 | batcoder-7 | did vlc fix there trouble playing 720 stuff? |
| 12:00.30 | _pepo_ | ok, a lot of thanks .... that is terrific for me because I use amd64 (and have my own repository) |
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| 12:00.36 | batcoder-7 | playing it *good* i guess |
| 12:01.07 | peppe | amd64 is the "x86-64" architecture, or em64t in intel's slang |
| 12:01.35 | peppe | many intel cpus are "x86-64" (core2duo, for instance) |
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| 12:02.15 | rofl | we run amd64 on all intel xeon machines |
| 12:02.45 | runa | heyas :) I'm looking for a document explaining how cached memory works in linux so I can shove it up his ass to my dumbass BOFH that says 'the machine has no more free memory' when it's jusing 1.5gb for disk cache |
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| 12:04.00 | bolt-work | !free memory |
| 12:04.00 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 12:04.16 | peppe | runa: the 2nd line from the output of "free" isn't enough? |
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| 12:04.53 | batcoder-7 | lenny is stable now right? |
| 12:05.02 | arezey | batcoder-7, yep |
| 12:05.03 | _pepo_ | yes lenny is stable now |
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| 12:05.19 | batcoder-7 | this will be interesting |
| 12:05.28 | batcoder-7 | as i pin alot of stuff from unstable etc |
| 12:05.40 | batcoder-7 | hope it all upgrades good |
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| 12:05.59 | themill | batcoder-7: if you had made backports it would be fine... pinning stuff out of unstable rarely works well though |
| 12:06.03 | runa | peppe: no, because he sees there's only '15MB Free' |
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| 12:06.33 | _pepo_ | Is KDE4 in official repositories? |
| 12:06.45 | arezey | no |
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| 12:07.13 | bolt-work | runa: the second line of "free" should show free memory +/- buffers/cache |
| 12:07.16 | peppe | runa: sorry... it's actually the third line. +/- buffers |
| 12:07.32 | bolt-work | ah. third, yes |
| 12:07.33 | peppe | the first one is the header |
| 12:07.38 | batcoder-7 | themill, i know :( works now though |
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| 12:09.34 | wonderwal | when i ssh from my mac to my debian box and use nano, backspace seems to act weirdly :S |
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| 12:11.38 | Zyferus | probably client side |
| 12:11.49 | Zyferus | i had that issue with my ssh cleint |
| 12:12.55 | bolt-work | you can probably set which escape sequence is used to send backspace |
| 12:13.00 | bolt-work | client-side |
| 12:15.09 | themill | !backspace broke |
| 12:15.10 | dpkg | i heard backspace broke is #macosx helped me: in 10.5.2 you need to go to Terminal -> Preferences -> Settings -> Advanced and check the Delete sends Ctrl-H box |
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| 12:15.57 | wonderwal | what's the simplest way to configure iptables at startup? |
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| 12:17.15 | Deepa | By script? |
| 12:17.33 | bolt-work | wonderwal: set up everything. run iptables-save, stuff the output into a script and stuff that in either a separate startup script or just in /etc/rc.local |
| 12:18.12 | wonderwal | bolt-work: what about pre-up /etc/somescript.sh ethx in interfaces? |
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| 12:18.49 | bolt-work | sure. wherever you want it. i doubt you'll be critically wounded before that thing is run though |
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| 12:22.44 | runa | peppe: sorry, I was checking top. my mistake. I never understood what that +/- means :) |
| 12:22.47 | runa | peppe: tnx |
| 12:22.51 | ma3x | is there a zoom in zoom out option in debian just like on apple? |
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| 12:23.26 | peppe | ma3x: yes, using compiz (or whatever). I think it's something like windowskey + mousewheel |
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| 12:23.43 | arvind_khadri | !unicode > me |
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| 12:24.29 | nareshov | magnet_: http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html.en ? |
| 12:25.09 | nareshov | oops |
| 12:25.13 | nareshov | ma3x: http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html.en ? |
| 12:25.13 | magnet_ | my thoughts exactly |
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| 12:26.02 | arvind_khadri | what all packages do i need to display unicode characters properly? |
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| 12:27.18 | zarock | thx bolt-work :) |
| 12:27.31 | nareshov | arvind_khadri: http://benlynn.blogspot.com/2007/02/unicode-on-debian-gnulinux.html (seen this?) |
| 12:27.48 | arvind_khadri | nareshov, not yet thanks |
| 12:28.21 | zarock | so the question is, on an Ultra60 SPARC I want to know if its possible to set the resolution of the framuffer of Creator 3D by passing an arg to the kernel |
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| 12:28.25 | zarock | or something like that |
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| 12:28.39 | nareshov | !sparc |
| 12:28.39 | dpkg | well, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC |
| 12:28.47 | zarock | it seems that in OBP we can only set the primary card resolution |
| 12:29.18 | nareshov | (#debian-sparc@irc.oftc.net ?) |
| 12:29.22 | zarock | hu ok :) |
| 12:29.28 | zarock | thanks ;) |
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| 12:31.49 | arvind_khadri | nareshov, i want them to be displayed on the net thats it |
| 12:32.06 | nareshov | arvind_khadri: in iceweasel, select UTF-8 encoding? |
| 12:32.16 | nareshov | and make sure you have the right fonts installed? |
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| 12:34.10 | arvind_khadri | nareshov, i guess i have all the fonts... but still boxes are coming |
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| 12:35.15 | nareshov | strange |
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| 12:35.44 | arvind_khadri | nareshov, do i need to restart the browser? |
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| 12:36.19 | nareshov | after installing fonts? yes. |
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| 12:53.35 | wonderwal | let's say i install backport for package x. now i do apt-get upgrade to testing, and testing has same version of package x as the backport. how does debian handle this? |
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| 12:59.46 | themill | wonderwal: say it was package 1.2 with debian revision 1 (i.e. 1.2-1) in testing. The backport normally has a version number that has ~bpo appended (i.e. 1.2-1~bpo often there is more too). This version string is considered lower than the version in testing so the package can get upgraded. |
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| 13:00.47 | wonderwal | themill: cool |
| 13:01.08 | themill | !version compare |
| 13:01.08 | dpkg | The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as: dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 13:01.19 | ma3x | is kde4 available in debian already? |
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| 13:02.40 | themill | dpkg: tell ma3x about kde versions |
| 13:04.11 | sajes | I just got my eeepc 1000 yesterday, and I was trying to install de/bian on it from USB stick (Squeeze, not Lenny), and I used unetbootin to copy it to the flash drive. It booted up fine, but it kept trying to look for the inexistant cdrom and aborting the install. Any suggestions? |
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| 13:05.09 | sajes | debian*. Still getting used to the keyboard. ;) |
| 13:05.28 | abrotman | #debian-eeepc on oftc |
| 13:05.29 | wonderwal | let's say i want to upgrade to testing, but i want to keep version x from stable, how? |
| 13:05.35 | sajes | Thanks. |
| 13:05.41 | abrotman | wonderwal: you don't want to |
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| 13:06.02 | wonderwal | abrotman: why? |
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| 13:20.00 | orgthingy | sudo: unable to resolve host X-Laptop |
| 13:20.04 | orgthingy | any idea why? |
| 13:20.25 | orgthingy | it never gave me that error before :( |
| 13:20.43 | khaije1 | whats the special character to represent the end of a string in regex? |
| 13:21.22 | khaije1 | like the compliment of the caret ^ |
| 13:21.45 | amphi | $ |
| 13:21.59 | khaije1 | ty amphi :D |
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| 13:22.19 | steven_ | khaije1: $ |
| 13:22.45 | steven_ | khaije1: google for regex reference |
| 13:22.58 | steven_ | khaije1: the first site in the list is really good. |
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| 13:27.32 | amphi | khaije1: or even man 7 regex |
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| 13:29.39 | dacs | so if i want to run windows and debian , i will just run setup.exe on my windows installation , and it will give me the option to run both OS? |
| 13:29.49 | jelly | wonderwal: if you used aptitude, you'd want to aptitude hold at least xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-core and the driver for your card |
| 13:29.53 | bolt-work | dacs: yes |
| 13:30.06 | abrotman | wonderwal: because it will break at some piont .. |
| 13:30.13 | dacs | bolt-work: sweet |
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| 13:36.02 | wonderwal | let's say i pin nano with priority 1001, and then do apt-get upgrade, this will make apt keep my version of nano and any dependencies it needs? |
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| 13:36.58 | abrotman | it's going to break |
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| 13:37.04 | jelly | wonderwal: pin nano to what? |
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| 13:37.19 | themill | nano has the same version in lenny/squeeze/sid... what would be the point anyway? |
| 13:37.33 | jelly | !pinning |
| 13:37.33 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 13:38.36 | wonderwal | im using etch right now. i'm jusy testing apt and different scenarios i might encounter one day. let's say i want to pin nano to version 2.0.2-1etch1 with priority 1001. then i want to upgrade to lenny. will this keep nano and all its dependencies? |
| 13:38.40 | jelly | wonderwal: assuming you already read the docs, also read the bugs link and that last sentence of what dpkg just said. |
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| 13:39.15 | jelly | wonderwal: that's the way it should work, yes. |
| 13:39.25 | themill | it will probably just make a mess though. |
| 13:39.40 | WickedMetalHead | Hm, i want to set up my own Apt server to handle updates for custom bit of software i write for my server. I see there are a couple software packages for doing this. However i can't figure out if any of them i can point to a SVN server for my packages and have it make its packages from a SVN server? |
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| 13:40.15 | themill | WickedMetalHead: look at svn-buildpackage |
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| 13:40.29 | jelly | wonderwal: I'm not sure how aptitude deals with pinning (if it deals with it at all). The feature is arcane and very prone to misunderstanding. |
| 13:41.00 | WickedMetalHead | themill: ok i will thanks |
| 13:41.25 | jelly | wonderwal: at least one of the authors will disregard usability bugs with "works as intended". |
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| 13:42.01 | jelly | wonderwal: in short, "here be dragons" |
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| 13:42.16 | |alfa | hello to all |
| 13:42.17 | khaije1 | one this i still don't get about debian, how and when is the decision to step up the kernel version happen |
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| 13:42.50 | khaije1 | i would expect each stage-disto to have a difference version |
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| 13:42.53 | |alfa | i have a problem regarding running a cgi script any help pls |
| 13:42.58 | jelly | khaije1: unstable pretty much tracks the upstream releases. |
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| 13:43.30 | khaije1 | jelly: you mean the kernel mainline upstream? |
| 13:44.00 | jelly | khaije1: yes, there's none other |
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| 13:44.47 | jelly | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.28-1-686 |
| 13:44.48 | judd | jelly: linux-image-2.6.28-1-686 -- sid: 2.6.28-1 |
| 13:45.33 | |alfa | there is someone here who can help me to set up the apache2 server to run a cgi script for a virtual server?!! |
| 13:45.37 | themill | judd: kernels |
| 13:45.40 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-2~snapshot.12850); sid: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-1); squeeze: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); lenny: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
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| 13:45.55 | themill | dpkg, why is linux-2.6 not in testing |
| 13:45.56 | dpkg | linux-2.6 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-2.6 |
| 13:46.00 | themill | khaije1: ^^ |
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| 13:47.10 | wonderwal | what should my sources.list look like with amd64? |
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| 13:47.24 | jelly | wonderwal: personally, for dist-upgrades to new stable releases, I tend to get rid of any pinning, upgrade everything and fix the bugs. |
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| 13:47.36 | maligor | wonderwal, same as any other |
| 13:47.53 | wonderwal | should it look any different? |
| 13:47.53 | wonderwal | just because im using amd64? |
| 13:48.05 | maligor | arch is defined by the system, not sources.list |
| 13:48.13 | Pyerre | hi guys |
| 13:48.14 | wonderwal | ok thanks just checking |
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| 13:48.21 | Pyerre | do you know a command to translate a number in his ascii caracter ? |
| 13:48.47 | epsilon | sed? |
| 13:48.50 | maligor | you mean number to verbose english? |
| 13:48.53 | jelly | Pyerre: man ascii will show a table. |
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| 13:49.29 | Pyerre | is there an automated method to put it in a script ? |
| 13:49.41 | jelly | Pyerre: what are you really trying to do? |
| 13:49.54 | Pyerre | rename some downloaded files |
| 13:50.01 | khaije1 | jelly, ok i see, I was just thinking about it wrong. the fact that lenny and squeeze have only barely begun to diverge and the way i started with a sid install compounded my misconception |
| 13:50.03 | Pyerre | with %20 instead of spaces and so on |
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| 13:50.27 | Pyerre | rename -n 's/%20/ /g' is a first step |
| 13:50.31 | khaije1 | *the way i started with a lenny install, that is |
| 13:50.43 | jelly | Pyerre: tried doing "apt-cache search %20"? :-) |
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| 13:51.26 | jelly | and apt-cache show renameutils, after that? |
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| 13:52.11 | Pyerre | thanks for the command apt-cache |
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| 13:57.45 | jelly | something like rename -n -v 's/%(..)/chr(hex($1))/eg' ... might work |
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| 13:59.26 | jelly | heh, I have an old de%20 alias. |
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| 13:59.54 | jelly | it does ren -e 's/%(..)/sprintf("%c",hex($1))/ge' $* |
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| 14:00.17 | jelly | so, completely different! |
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| 14:00.25 | Pyerre | hey it could work ! |
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| 14:00.35 | Pyerre | it's not in utf8 |
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| 14:03.18 | jelly | "perldoc -f chr" says a few things about unicode, including a reference to "perldoc perlunicode". |
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| 14:05.57 | kamp2tux | Iceweasel, javascipt not work (example, in hotmail or live.com, to compose a new email, the button "Attach" do not work) please advise. |
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| 14:06.43 | nareshov | kamp2tux: do you use a http proxy? |
| 14:06.50 | DeSian | is songbird available under another name with debian? |
| 14:07.06 | kamp2tux | nareshov: i am newbie, what do i need to do ? |
| 14:08.24 | kamp2tux | same thing: javescript not working even if i use Epiphny |
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| 14:09.05 | jelly | judd: bts 412437 |
| 14:09.06 | judd | jelly: Error: "bts" is not a valid command. |
| 14:09.26 | stew | i haven't populated the bug database in a while |
| 14:09.27 | jelly | judd: bug 412437 |
| 14:09.33 | stew | !dbugs 412437 |
| 14:09.36 | dpkg | #412437:W[wnpp] ITP: songbird -- desktop Web player, a digital jukebox and Web browser (); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:30:01 UTC [507218] |
| 14:09.44 | jelly | stew: that one's two years old itp. |
| 14:09.50 | scribeskul | Hey guys, quick question! I recentl installed Lenny 5 (reinstalled actually) and after adding non-free and contrib to my sources, I noticed apt is trying to tell me a huge amount of packages are obselete and need to be removed, however LAST time i did that it broke the whole system. Why does apt report them as auto-removable, and how do i rmemedy this? |
| 14:10.12 | jelly | DeSian: so probably not |
| 14:10.19 | stew | jelly: where a while might mean "since I moved it to a new machine with a fresh db" |
| 14:10.58 | DeSian | jelly: thanx, i found debian package but is corrupted :) |
| 14:11.10 | stew | scribeskul: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:11.32 | scribeskul | stew there is no actual command. apt is reporting them as being auto-removable |
| 14:11.51 | scribeskul | as well as Synaptic |
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| 14:11.59 | scribeskul | but i know for a fact they are needed |
| 14:12.05 | scribeskul | as they are the newest versions |
| 14:12.07 | jelly | DeSian: you mean, a package someone built for some release of debian? |
| 14:12.23 | themill | dpkg: tell scribeskul about unmarkauto |
| 14:12.44 | DeSian | jelly: i think i build for ubuntu. |
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| 14:12.49 | jelly | DeSian: there was one user today that was trying to install "songbird" which badly depended on "firefox" |
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| 14:13.14 | DeSian | jelly: yes exact that. |
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| 14:13.38 | stew | scribeskul: give me an example of a package that is auto removable that you know is needed |
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| 14:13.55 | stew | scribeskul: or just use "apt-mark" or "aptitude unmarkauto" to mark the package as not removable |
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| 14:14.23 | stew | scribeskul: but there must be some command. its not like apt is randomly telling you about packages to be removed when you aren't running apt commands |
| 14:14.29 | jelly | DeSian: there's absolutely no guarantee it will work on debian, and depending on the contents of the package, it might break your system. I'd strongly advise against running foreign pacakges if you're not able to verify it does no wrong. |
| 14:15.11 | scribeskul | stew: I know i can do that , unmark them that is, but i want to know why it happened in the first place...for example rhythmbox is marked. the ONLY thing i did was add non-free and contrib and ran apt-get update. this is a new system, like 1 hour old. |
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| 14:15.20 | scribeskul | stew: there are like 50+ packages |
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| 14:15.21 | jetscreamer | depends/suggests |
| 14:15.24 | jelly | DeSian: if you manage to break your system with packages created for ubuntu, you won't get much help here |
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| 14:15.26 | scribeskul | stew: and this happened before (2 hrs ago) whenn i reinstalled the first time, but after i removed them, gnome broke |
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| 14:15.37 | scribeskul | stew: the majority of the packages are gnome related |
| 14:15.48 | DeSian | jelly: yes,i remove it, is't worked |
| 14:15.57 | stew | scribeskul: is the gnome package installed? what about the gnome-desktop-environment package? |
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| 14:16.34 | Venst | ok |
| 14:16.42 | Venst | i was using apt and the ssh connection droped |
| 14:16.48 | scribeskul | stew: Everything is installed correctly. the only thing i did was update the sources by adding non-free and contrib and then running apt-get update. thats it. i jhaven't done one other thing on this system. starnge. |
| 14:16.51 | Venst | i need to switch back to that proccess |
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| 14:17.00 | Venst | how could that be done ? |
| 14:17.06 | stew | scribeskul: is the gnome package installed? what about the gnome-desktop-environment package? |
| 14:17.13 | nareshov | it probably died. use screen from next time? |
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| 14:17.31 | Venst | nareshov : its in the background |
| 14:17.33 | stew | Venst: that process is probably dead, just start another. it would pickup where the last left off |
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| 14:18.03 | Venst | ps ux shows it |
| 14:18.07 | scribeskul | stew: within Synaptic the gnome-desktop-environment isn't checked as being installed. Why would that be on a new install do you think? |
| 14:18.22 | Venst | its dead but still running in the background ? |
| 14:18.35 | themill | scribeskul: how did you install gnome to begin with? |
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| 14:18.42 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
| 14:18.42 | stew | scribeskul: did you chose "desktop" whne installing? |
| 14:18.51 | scribeskul | themill: This is a fresh install of Debian Lenny, it's all defaults |
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| 14:19.02 | scribeskul | stew: of course, i'm on gnome right now |
| 14:19.05 | themill | scribeskul: the default is not to install gnome, so you did something |
| 14:19.10 | scribeskul | stew: everything is operating as it should |
| 14:19.13 | AlexC_ | when I run 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart' I get the following message: Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: File exists Failed to bring up eth0. however eth0 *does* come up, and is usable |
| 14:19.16 | Venst | would it be a good idea to do kill -9 to apt ? |
| 14:19.19 | scribeskul | actually the default IS to install gnome |
| 14:19.22 | Venst | its not closing with kill -2 ? |
| 14:19.26 | Venst | it isnt. |
| 14:19.38 | themill | scribeskul: no it's not.... only if you select the "desktop" task which is what both stew and I have asked twice now. |
| 14:19.47 | scribeskul | and i said i installed that |
| 14:19.49 | scribeskul | earlier |
| 14:19.54 | scribeskul | sorry if you missed it |
| 14:20.00 | scribeskul | but i am running gnome, everything is fine |
| 14:20.13 | azeem_ | scribeskul: did you install any other packages since? |
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| 14:20.32 | scribeskul | This is what I did, long story: |
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| 14:20.40 | honschu | hi |
| 14:20.56 | scribeskul | Installed Lenny, choosing Desktop. Updated sources for non-free and contrib. Ran apt-get update. |
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| 14:21.03 | stew | scribeskul: so the reason that it wants to remove this stuff is that something you did caused the gnome-desktop-environment package to be removed |
| 14:21.13 | stew | scribeskul: you must have done something else to cause some packages to be removed |
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| 14:21.31 | jetscreamer | stew i see you're still having fun |
| 14:21.33 | wonderwal | if i want to rip out ipv6 support i should rcompile kernel? |
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| 14:21.37 | scribeskul | stew: Obviously gnome isn't uninstalled as i'm in it right now |
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| 14:21.56 | stew | scribeskul: obviously the gnome *package* is uninstalled |
| 14:22.00 | scribeskul | and no, i did nothing else |
| 14:22.03 | jetscreamer | metapackage |
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| 14:22.26 | honschu | AlexC_: is it useable before you runt the restart? |
| 14:22.35 | stew | scribeskul: and if you installed the desktop task, the gnome package was installed at some point, so it was removed at some later point |
| 14:22.36 | azeem | scribeskul: check /var/log/dpkg.log for "gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 14:22.36 | themill | scribeskul: the "gnome" package *is* uninstalled, that is why everything else is marked as being ready for automatic removal. Perhaps you can pastebin your /var/log/dpkg.log for us |
| 14:22.46 | stew | scribeskul: can you uplod your /var/log/dpkg.log to paste.debian.net ? |
| 14:22.55 | azeem | first post! |
| 14:23.09 | themill | and they say debian is an echo chamber... |
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| 14:23.17 | scribeskul | sure, i'm not trying to be a smartas by the way, i'm just not understanding how gnome package could be uninstalled yet everything is working fine, except for the warnings from apt |
| 14:23.18 | AlexC_ | honschu, I don't know to be honest, though I have just remove the line 'auto eth0' from my /etc/network/interfaces file and that appears to have fix it |
| 14:23.19 | giles | heya all |
| 14:23.21 | jetscreamer | echo chamber... |
| 14:23.25 | giles | i'm trying to create a debian package |
| 14:23.44 | nareshov | !ask |
| 14:23.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:23.57 | themill | dpkg: tell scribeskul about metapackage |
| 14:23.59 | giles | I've got the debian folder working fine |
| 14:24.00 | honschu | AlexC_: Check your /etc/network/interfaces, yes "allow-hotplug eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp" should be enough |
| 14:24.24 | scribeskul | what am i pasting that log to again? |
| 14:24.29 | giles | but the actual source files aren't being added into the package |
| 14:24.30 | Davinken | Debian Lenny + virtual box 2.1.4 = freeze after 10 min |
| 14:24.36 | stew | scribeskul: the gnome package doesn't actually contain anything, its just there to depend on other packages. you removed something it depends on so it gets removed, then apt says "all these packages were installed to satisfy dependencies of the gnome package, if the gnome package isn't installed anymore, we don't need them anymore" |
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| 14:24.50 | AlexC_ | honschu, this is actually setup for static, not DHCP. So from what I can see, the 'auto eth0' (before the static config) was trying to configure DHCP first, then setup static as well? |
| 14:24.55 | scribeskul | stew: so installed the gnome meta would fix this, theoretically? |
| 14:24.58 | azeem | stew: well, scribeskul says he didn't add/remove any packages yet |
| 14:25.07 | stew | azeem: but we both know he must have |
| 14:25.09 | stew | scribeskul: yes |
| 14:25.10 | jelly | Davinken: virtualbox-ose, or their own nonfree binary package? |
| 14:25.23 | scribeskul | OH WAIT, i did install the nvidia drivers, could that have affected something |
| 14:25.24 | Davinken | jelly : non free |
| 14:25.38 | jelly | Davinken: then also try #vbox |
| 14:25.45 | azeem | scribeskul: OH WAIT |
| 14:25.48 | azeem | maybe |
| 14:25.54 | azeem | scribeskul: as we said, check the dpkg log |
| 14:26.11 | Davinken | jelly: yeah i will was only in case of somebody have this things |
| 14:26.26 | honschu | AlexC_: If the file has changed, the stop in restart wouldn't know this |
| 14:26.33 | scribeskul | azeem: good asshole impression, thanks for that. where is the log located again, if i may ask |
| 14:26.38 | scribeskul | :) |
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| 14:26.51 | jetscreamer | /var/log ? |
| 14:26.55 | honschu | AlexC_: Before changing /etc/network/interfaces, it's wise to stop them first. |
| 14:27.03 | themill | scribeskul: [14:22] <stew> scribeskul: can you uplod your /var/log/dpkg.log to paste.debian.net ? |
| 14:27.14 | azeem | scribeskul: look a couple of lines up |
| 14:27.14 | scribeskul | i dont know how to scroll in irssi, i apologize |
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| 14:27.19 | azeem | scribeskul: pgup |
| 14:27.20 | jetscreamer | somebody tell him to use dselect |
| 14:27.24 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 14:27.31 | scribeskul | thanks |
| 14:28.11 | scribeskul | by the way, thank you, and i apologize if i'm a bit *jumpy* today...i broke my rib yesterday and the painkillers are making me a bit loopy |
| 14:28.26 | scribeskul | i do appreciate all your help so far |
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| 14:28.39 | azeem | scribeskul: well, then maybe ask the trivial questions tomorrow or next week |
| 14:28.41 | jetscreamer | painkillers are suposed to make you more mellow |
| 14:28.42 | honschu | scribeskul: Stop taking them and start using beer ;-) |
| 14:28.45 | azeem | it's not like your system apparently broke down |
| 14:29.00 | scribeskul | azeem: any reason your so hostile |
| 14:29.07 | jetscreamer | azeem is a god |
| 14:29.09 | scribeskul | just a *trivial* question |
| 14:29.16 | scribeskul | i can ask next week if you'd like haha |
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| 14:36.27 | jelly | scribeskul: sure, just remember to provide the additional information asked for, next week |
| 14:36.52 | jetscreamer | !wireless |
| 14:36.52 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <rt2x00>, <rt28xx>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 14:37.24 | wonderwal | let's say i want to upgrade from etch to lenny. so i edit sources.list, change oldstable to stable. what will the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade be? i've read manual page for apt-get, but im struggling to see the difference |
| 14:37.39 | themill | dpkg: tell wonderwal about dist-upgrade |
| 14:37.41 | jetscreamer | so where do i start with a box that never had wireless before |
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| 14:37.49 | scribeskul | ok ok, it appears azeem is god... i found some proof here..my bad.. (smile) I couldn't find any references to gnome-desktop-environment metapackages within my dpkg.log file. I did upload it to paste.debian.net, if anyone would like to help. I am really interested because this is the second time I have seen this happen and I don't know what I could be doing to cause it. It just irks me (grin). |
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| 14:37.58 | jetscreamer | but lenny is installed |
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| 14:38.16 | jetscreamer | !pastebin |
| 14:38.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 14:38.21 | jetscreamer | last sentence |
| 14:38.25 | themill | wonderwal: there's more to it than that too, /msg dpkg release notes ; also don't use "stable" in your sources.list /msg stable sources.list |
| 14:38.37 | jelly | wonderwal: apart from that, when upgrading distro releases, one should follow the procedure in the release notes |
| 14:38.47 | AndrewMohawk | if i have a .deb within a specific repo and the package is the same as the name of one in the standard repo, how do i force it to use my repo when doing apt-get install package? |
| 14:38.53 | _Tavo_ | Hello, people, I've got lenny and can't make iceweasel to load the mplayer plugin. wherever the multimedia object is supposed to be, there is an empty space. The totem plugin works, though. |
| 14:39.00 | jetscreamer | pinning maybe |
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| 14:39.40 | jetscreamer | !apt-pinning |
| 14:39.40 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 14:40.16 | AndrewMohawk | thank you |
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| 14:44.16 | AndrewMohawk | in my sources.list how do i specify a trivial repository to be unstable? since i have something like "deb http://user:pass@10.7.x.x/Repository MyApplication/" |
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| 14:45.04 | scribeskul | stew: It appears, according to the dpkg.log (I posted it, by the way) that these things were removed during the intial install process |
| 14:46.00 | scribeskul | stew: lines 7100 and on is where it starts |
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| 14:46.20 | giles | hrm has anyone got a link to a guide for build a deb package that doesn't require compiling? |
| 14:46.31 | giles | dh_make seems geared towards compiling |
| 14:47.07 | scribeskul | stew: actually line 7107. If you get a chance, it would be super cool for your opinion on this. |
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| 14:49.25 | SPF | how can I load a file into vi. For example when editing crontab I want to load my crontab settings from a file |
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| 14:49.58 | SPF | :r, sorry, found it already :/ |
| 14:49.59 | jelly | SPF: :r filename |
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| 14:55.08 | sky_ | hi which command show me which debian version i have ? |
| 14:55.31 | CoolCold | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:55.33 | pobega | sky_: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 14:56.14 | wonderwal | how can i check for libs which may not be depended on anymor? |
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| 14:56.29 | xoz | wonderwal: deborphan |
| 14:57.05 | sky_ | pobega: thank you |
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| 14:58.11 | wonderwal | xoz: ok, and theyre all safe to remove? |
| 14:58.29 | xoz | wonderwal: yep... |
| 14:58.45 | xoz | wonderwal: man deborphan |
| 14:59.08 | pobega | wonderwal: keep in mind if you compiled anything from source, deborphan won't be able to track that. |
| 14:59.21 | pobega | And could remove libs that the compiled program depends on |
| 14:59.30 | wonderwal | pobega: i didnt |
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| 14:59.46 | pobega | wonderwal: then yeah, it's safe. |
| 15:00.06 | wonderwal | so i should do apt-get remove (list of deborphan listed packages here) ? |
| 15:00.09 | wonderwal | is there no better way? |
| 15:00.17 | wonderwal | deborphan | apt-get remove |
| 15:00.17 | wonderwal | ? |
| 15:00.20 | Venst | if i have a domain with godaddy and i have bind installed on a server , how should the link be done ? |
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| 15:01.03 | scribeskul | Hey guys: I checked the dpkg.log, and pasted it to paste.debian, and it seems that the packages that are marked for auto-removal happened during the initial debian install process. Line #7107 is where it al starts. Any help would be appreciated. |
| 15:01.27 | xoz | wonderwal: apt-get remove \backqoute deborphan \backqoute |
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| 15:01.38 | xoz | wonderwal: substitute backqoute with the real one. |
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| 15:01.49 | Venst | the web web-interface at godaddy wants a name server , but im not sure if i even configured bind correctly |
| 15:01.50 | sylarrr | does the kernel for lenny supposed to support autheros gigabit lan chip? |
| 15:02.25 | Venst | if i point the web browser to the ip of the server i get the site hosted. |
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| 15:02.47 | anki1 | i hav aetheros wifi which is supported by lenny |
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| 15:02.59 | xoz | atheros is supported |
| 15:03.05 | anki1 | maybe it shld support gigabit lan too |
| 15:03.10 | wonderwal | xoz: thanks |
| 15:03.12 | Venst | i dont want to redirect to the ip , i want to be able to make vhosts for irc on that same domain |
| 15:03.15 | wonderwal | how can i check which packages depend on a package? |
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| 15:03.26 | Venst | so basicly im lost , and not sure what to do :) |
| 15:03.30 | Venst | any idea ? |
| 15:04.22 | Venst | no Bind/DNS Gurus around !? |
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| 15:04.43 | Venst | c'mon , you guys always have the answers :D |
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| 15:04.54 | orak3l | is there a developer reference for linux similar to http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/default.aspx ? |
| 15:05.11 | xoz | wonderwal: apt-cache depends package |
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| 15:05.45 | JyZyXEL | can i somehow make so that my UVC based webcam is a V4L device? |
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| 15:06.22 | myeggo | hello guys, in your opinion, what is your favourite music player in gnome? |
| 15:06.22 | xoz | wonderwal: or try apt-cache rdepends package ... for reverse meaning |
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| 15:06.31 | alcohol | Is it possible to have a cron run a file, and said does one command, then deletes itself? |
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| 15:06.43 | alcohol | or would the delete command run into a problem? |
| 15:07.47 | JyZyXEL | oh i think it already is V4L2 device |
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| 15:07.59 | JyZyXEL | uvcvideo: Failed to query (135) UVC control 11 (unit 5) : -32 (exp. 1). |
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| 15:08.30 | cahoot | alcohol: in effect you want a command run once only - something for atd? |
| 15:08.43 | alcohol | cahoot: well, no. not really |
| 15:09.20 | alcohol | basically I'm writing a script that occasionaly adjusts an apache vhost file. when it does, I want to generate a simple bash script (which is run every minute by cron) which restarts apache and then removes itself |
| 15:09.32 | alcohol | it was the quickest and simplest solution I could think of x: |
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| 15:09.57 | JyZyXEL | uvc is a kernel module? |
| 15:09.59 | xoz | alcohol: like a watcher of file |
| 15:10.15 | alcohol | xoz: I am not sure I am following you? |
| 15:10.15 | cahoot | JyZyXEL: uvcvideo |
| 15:10.45 | alcohol | xoz: but yea, basically if the vhost file is modified, restart apache. so a 'watcher' for the vhost file |
| 15:10.47 | xoz | you need a daemon that watches changes to your vhost and trigger a command |
| 15:10.52 | alcohol | yes |
| 15:11.37 | scribeskul | Once again, does anyone have know why packages are being marked for auto-removal within apt after a fresh install of Debian? packages include cheese, gnome-nettool, etc... dpkg.log shows these are being unpacked then removed one after another, starting at line 7107, during the install process. I have posted dpkg.log to paste.debian.net |
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| 15:12.45 | alcohol | xoz: know of anything that could accomplish said targets |
| 15:12.47 | xoz | alcohol: try dnotify |
| 15:13.03 | abrotman | inotify? fam? |
| 15:13.13 | abrotman | md5 ? |
| 15:13.20 | xoz | alcohol: or fileschanged |
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| 15:13.56 | themill | while inotifywait -e MODIFY "$WATCHFILE"; do something ; done (or look at iwatch) |
| 15:14.06 | alcohol | dnotify sounds great |
| 15:14.10 | alcohol | will read into that |
| 15:14.42 | xoz | alcohol: fileschanged has simpler option |
| 15:15.02 | alcohol | yea but dnotify sounds like it's available on most systems? whereas fileschanged is optional? |
| 15:15.28 | xoz | alcohol: plenty of options... apt-cache search file monitor |
| 15:16.00 | themill | scribeskul: the only thing I can guess is that a package failed to download for some reason, so the installation did not finish cleanly and so some packages weren't installed. The installation log may have more details. |
| 15:16.01 | xoz | alcohol: gamin :) |
| 15:16.22 | js_ | i have an app that dispatches jobs to servers which sometimes starts screens in detached mode, but sometimes the screens become 'dead' directly, and i can't figure out why. any ideas? |
| 15:17.02 | Daviey | alcohol: fsniper is another one |
| 15:17.31 | alcohol | both gamin and dnotify are unknown commands -_- |
| 15:18.04 | xoz | or iwatch |
| 15:18.19 | xoz | alcohol: apt-cache show <package>... then install them |
| 15:18.34 | xoz | alcohol: dpkg -L <package> to know the real files installed |
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| 15:18.49 | scribeskul | themill: I don't know. the last time this happened (this is the second fresh install this morning), I THOUGHT it was related to non-free and contrib being added to the sources.list. I didn't notice these packages being marked for auto-removal until after i did this. I suppose i could reload yet AGAIN and see what is exactly causing this to happen. |
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| 15:20.07 | alcohol | Hrm |
| 15:20.25 | alcohol | I'm not sure I understand how I can use gamin to execute a script upon change. the config example only shows how to specify watching |
| 15:20.31 | aixenv | just curious, what app/daemon most ppl use to monitor faulty daemons that if they die are restarted? |
| 15:20.46 | aixenv | ive been reading about 'monit' any other suggestions? |
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| 15:20.55 | jelly | aixenv: noone here is "most ppl" |
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| 15:21.02 | joltcan | I use logcheck |
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| 15:21.16 | jelly | aixenv: popcon.debian.org might provide some statistics |
| 15:21.26 | jelly | !polls |
| 15:21.26 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 15:21.28 | themill | alcohol: inotify is the new dnotify -- if you're writing something new, then use that. The inotify-tools package comes with tools for scripts. |
| 15:22.23 | alcohol | inotify does not exist on etch does it? |
| 15:22.29 | jelly | aixenv: if you bend that way, DJB's daemontools aren't that bad either |
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| 15:22.58 | wonderwal | is there a tool which runs apt-get update daily and mails you about needed security updates? |
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| 15:23.35 | xoz | wonderwal: apt-watch |
| 15:23.57 | wonderwal | xoz: it has too many deps |
| 15:24.18 | wonderwal | xoz: it wants to install so much |
| 15:24.29 | xoz | wonderwal: perhaps because it uses gnome gui |
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| 15:26.03 | wonderwal | xoz: this is a server.. no need for gnome |
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| 15:26.10 | themill | dpkg: tell wonderwal about cron-apt |
| 15:26.28 | aixenv | hrmm dont think logcheck does what i want |
| 15:26.30 | alcohol | hrm |
| 15:26.34 | alcohol | dnotify only watches folders |
| 15:26.35 | alcohol | =[ |
| 15:26.42 | alcohol | I just need to monitor 1 file |
| 15:26.56 | themill | alcohol: [15:13] <themill> while inotifywait -e MODIFY "$WATCHFILE"; do something ; done (or look at iwatch) |
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| 15:27.07 | xoz | wonderwal: try apt-watch-backend |
| 15:27.28 | alcohol | inotify does not work on etch |
| 15:27.36 | alcohol | can't find the package |
| 15:27.45 | xoz | alcohol: apt-cache search file monitor... |
| 15:28.00 | themill | alcohol: [15:21] <themill> alcohol: inotify is the new dnotify -- if you're writing something new, then use that. The inotify-tools package comes with tools for scripts. |
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| 15:37.11 | alcohol | iwatch will do, I think |
| 15:37.34 | Winnipeg_Guy | Hi... I've installed xfce and I'm looking for a music player to complement it. I know about mpd, but that's a bit beyond me. I tried setting it up previously and failed. My only requirement is that it allows me to sync to some ipods we have in the family. If this were gnome I might go with exaile, but I'm hoping for some lighter-weight suggestions. Any ideas? |
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| 15:38.15 | SQlvpapir_ | rhytmbox? |
| 15:38.16 | docelic | Hey folks, is Debian support for openvz good/working? |
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| 15:38.29 | xoz | suggests apt-cache search ipod player |
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| 15:39.08 | SQlvpapir_ | docelic: well its in the repos :) |
| 15:39.17 | SQlvpapir_ | been there for some time.. check the bugtracker |
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| 15:40.22 | Winnipeg_Guy | Thanks xoz, I'll try that next. SQlvpapir_ I just did aptitude install rhythmbox and it's going to install about 70 packages, some of which are pretty gnome-centric, like libnautilus. Thanks for the suggestion though. |
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| 15:41.24 | sylarrr | this upgrade is a bitch. I do aptitude full-upgrade over and over, until it finish, and then I still dont have driver for nv, and my lan don't work too |
| 15:41.34 | xoz | Winnipeg_Guy: gnupod-tools or apt-cache search ipod |
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| 15:46.57 | carl_ | any ppc users here |
| 15:47.16 | azeem | carl_: what's your problem? |
| 15:47.18 | xoz | !ask |
| 15:47.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:47.40 | nareshov | !ppc |
| 15:47.41 | dpkg | [ppc] is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 15:47.55 | nareshov | !powerpc |
| 15:47.55 | dpkg | powerpc is probably a RISC microprocessor arch created by Apple-IBM-Motorola alliance(AIM) in 1991. Originally intended for workstations, PowerPC CPUs have since become popular embedded and high-performance processors as well. PowerPC was the cornerstone of AIM's PReP and Common Hardware Reference Platform initiatives in the 90s but the arch was most successful in the personal computer market in Apple's Power Macintosh line (2000). Ask me about ... |
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| 15:48.32 | carl_ | i was trying to do netinstall of lenny and got x config at the end |
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| 15:48.57 | xoz | carl_: and? |
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| 15:49.10 | CuteAlien | Is there a clean way to install a newer version of pidgin on lenny? |
| 15:49.17 | carl_ | n it kept saying about the driver for bc. driver when i was not using wireless |
| 15:49.50 | carl_ | so i need some help on how to do the x config so i can write it down so i can go back and install |
| 15:49.59 | phobos_anomaly | CuteAlien: yeah, sudo aptitude purge pidgin, download the latest source from pidgin.im, configure, make and install it |
| 15:50.31 | CuteAlien | phobos_anomaly, it probably needs some newer libs as dependency for libpurble |
| 15:50.40 | phobos_anomaly | CuteAlien: not at all |
| 15:50.53 | phobos_anomaly | since the deps haven |
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| 15:51.01 | phobos_anomaly | 't changed much since 2.4.0 |
| 15:51.08 | carl_ | so i went downloaded the dvd and burned and it won't install |
| 15:51.49 | CuteAlien | hm, ok. I just read that libpurble was the reason that icq can't connect any longer and newer pidgin would use a newer version of that. But I try the source - guess either it works or it doesn't ^^ |
| 15:52.12 | xoz | carl_: type xorg -configure at the command prompt |
| 15:52.14 | carl_ | still have the file debian-500-powerpc-dvd-1 iso |
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| 15:52.27 | phobos_anomaly | CuteAlien: it will so long as you remember to do a sudo aptitude build-dep pidgin |
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| 15:52.45 | phobos_anomaly | CuteAlien: alien, if you have questions, feel free to ask me |
| 15:53.05 | carl_ | ok |
| 15:53.12 | CuteAlien | phobos_anomaly, I'm using apt - not aptitude. what command would it be there? |
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| 15:54.56 | phobos_anomaly | CuteAlien: sudo apt-get build-dep pidgin |
| 15:55.01 | CuteAlien | thanks |
| 15:55.05 | phobos_anomaly | np |
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| 15:58.46 | valentin__ | im trying to install mysql like this: "apt-get install mysql-common mysql-server mysql-server-5.0" on my etch server. But its telling me: dependency: libdbi-perl should not be installed |
| 15:58.52 | valentin__ | What am i doing wrong? |
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| 15:59.42 | CuteAlien | phobos_anomaly, configure: "NetworkManager development headers not found.". Do you know which dev package that is? |
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| 16:00.08 | phobos_anomaly | CuteAlien: don't even worry about those. they really aren't needed for pidgin to operate. |
| 16:00.21 | CuteAlien | k, then I disable 'em |
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| 16:00.38 | themill | dpkg: tell valentin__ about bat |
| 16:00.43 | phobos_anomaly | yep, don't forget to use --prefix=/usr |
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| 16:01.06 | CuteAlien | oh, right |
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| 16:01.23 | Venst | how can i know whats the ip bind is running on a server ? |
| 16:01.29 | CuteAlien | shouldn't it be usr/local? |
| 16:01.30 | Venst | as in what ip is bind using |
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| 16:02.02 | OldMonk | Venst: it'll be all ips by default |
| 16:02.07 | phobos_anomaly | CuteAlien: nah, just /usr pidgin knows to install whatever libs it needs in the local dir of the prefix |
| 16:02.07 | CuteAlien | or /opt ... it's not as package |
| 16:02.15 | CuteAlien | ok |
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| 16:02.32 | phobos_anomaly | if you did the /usr/local, then it would just create a new local dir in the /usr/local |
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| 16:02.39 | phobos_anomaly | tried that once, was a nightmare |
| 16:02.49 | roe_ | I have a file that I need to convert 0d0a to 0a everywhere |
| 16:02.49 | vinc456 | i want to open "nano" from thunar, but i think it's failing because i'm opening from the window manager and not a termainl (nano is terminal based). is there any way to tell thunar to open a terminal containing nano? |
| 16:03.10 | OldMonk | roe_: tr -d '\015' < file > outfile |
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| 16:03.22 | OldMonk | or dos2unix (or something like that) |
| 16:03.28 | Venst | OldMonk : 30 are being used on the server , would it be all of them ? or only the one that apatche is using ? |
| 16:03.38 | OldMonk | Venst: all |
| 16:03.40 | roe_ | I tried unix2dox but no go |
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| 16:04.55 | themill | roe_: that would be dos2unix not unix2dos |
| 16:05.32 | roe_ | I thought the unix way *was 0d0a and the dos was was just 0a |
| 16:05.41 | valentin__ | themill: http://paste.debian.net/30437/ here is my output |
| 16:05.45 | OldMonk | roe_: other way around |
| 16:05.48 | valentin__ | themill: sorry its german |
| 16:07.00 | enouf | !info tofrodos |
| 16:07.17 | pipegeek | one of the drives in an mdadm software raid5 array just failed a smart test. I failed and removed the drive, added its replacement, and waited three hours for it to rebuild. Thing is, the new drive didn't end up getting inserted into the array---it's now a hot spare. How do I go about reinserting the new drive? |
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| 16:08.05 | koolini | how do I know what compilation options were used when a deb binary package was built? |
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| 16:08.21 | azeem | koolini: check the build log |
| 16:08.29 | themill | valentin__: can you also pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libdbi-perl" btw if you prefix commands with LANG=C they will come out in English. |
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| 16:09.43 | koolini | azeem: how do I do that? |
| 16:09.47 | valentin__ | themill: http://paste.debian.net/30438/ |
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| 16:13.22 | zhangweiwu | Hello. Quick & short: how do I find which DNS server is in charge of resovling a certain domain? (find a domain's dns server?) |
| 16:13.33 | OldMonk | zhangweiwu: whois |
| 16:13.52 | esaym | anyone know how to make a serial cable for linux consoles? Do I have to have all the pins connected on the connector? (I know back in the old day some devices only required 2 pins...I am short on wire here....) |
| 16:13.59 | zhangweiwu | OldMonk: thanks! |
| 16:14.06 | zhangweiwu | OldMonk: :) |
| 16:14.07 | themill | zhangweiwu: or nslookup -q=SOA example.com |
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| 16:15.04 | azeem | koolini: e.g. on buildd.debian.org |
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| 16:15.25 | zhangweiwu | themill: even more useful! Thanks!! |
| 16:16.01 | themill | valentin__: that looks really weird... |
| 16:16.27 | valentin__ | themill: hmpf .. so im fu**ed |
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| 16:16.58 | themill | valentin__: what does "LANG=C aptitude install mysql-server" do? |
| 16:17.09 | Venst | anyone every used godaddy for glue records ? |
| 16:17.36 | Venst | cant believe they have nothing about it in their help db |
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| 16:17.50 | Venst | weird , is there any other name for this ? |
| 16:18.02 | valdyn | pipegeek: why would it take 3 hours to rebuild when its just a hot spare? |
| 16:18.03 | valentin__ | themill: http://paste.debian.net/30439/ |
| 16:18.13 | valentin__ | themill: should i accept? |
| 16:18.39 | themill | valentin__: no! |
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| 16:19.28 | themill | valentin__: you seem to have a mix of etch and lenny there. Any idea how you've got that? did you have "stable" in your sources.list at some stage since lenny released and do an "apt-get upgrade"? |
| 16:19.58 | themill | tbh, I'm almost amazed that an etch/lenny mix with lenny's perl works at all |
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| 16:20.11 | valentin__ | themill: yes i did try to upgrade to lenny, but my provider didnt let me change the kernel |
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| 16:20.30 | a133x | hello guys, is there a way to make adobe flash plugin to work with oss instead of alsa? because also does not seem to work on my debian squeeze install, only oss works |
| 16:20.31 | pipegeek | valdyn: I have no idea. That's why I'm confused; that's why I'm sitting in #debian. The array didn't have any spares originally. |
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| 16:20.52 | themill | valentin__: ahh... this is a vps of some description? |
| 16:21.12 | valdyn | pipegeek: paste the output of /proc/mdstat on a paste site |
| 16:21.14 | valentin__ | themill: what is a vps ? |
| 16:21.18 | valdyn | pipegeek: contents even |
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| 16:21.50 | valentin__ | themill: its a Xen image on a dedicated server hardware |
| 16:21.51 | pipegeek | valdyn: sure thing |
| 16:21.53 | g0rd0n_ | hello! i am running lenny in a VM and seem to have a problem, things in crontab don't get executed at all... any ideas why this could be? |
| 16:21.55 | pipegeek | hold on |
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| 16:22.11 | Winnipeg_Guy | Hi again... I'm trying to setup a shared profile for firefox/iceweasel on this dual boot system. I think the problem I'm having is that I don't own the files in the shared directory. A shared ntfs partition. As root I did "chown -R robert:robert robert" because everything of my is in a folder on /data called robert. But much of the contents of that folder still belong to root. It didn't chown everything. |
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| 16:22.44 | CuteAlien | phobos_anomaly, great, pidgin-icq is now working again. Thanks. |
| 16:22.46 | valdyn | Winnipeg_Guy: users cannot chown. |
| 16:22.53 | Winnipeg_Guy | This is how it is mounted in fstab: /dev/sda3/datantfsrw,user,umask=0220 0 |
| 16:22.54 | themill | valentin__: ahh... I know little about xen... but aiui, your lenny install (probably) doesn't even have a kernel installed and it's not used by xen. |
| 16:23.26 | Winnipeg_Guy | valdyn: I su- into root before I ran the chown command. |
| 16:23.32 | xoz | g0rd0n_: do you have anacron? |
| 16:23.47 | g0rd0n_ | xoz: i dunno, i have the default one whatever debian installs |
| 16:23.48 | valentin__ | themill: so how can i remove all the lenny stuff and go back to etch? |
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| 16:24.19 | MegafEee | hi all, could you tell me hich one is simpler to config and get worling? Postfix or sendmail? |
| 16:24.25 | g0rd0n_ | xoz: i have this: cron 3.0pl1-105 |
| 16:24.28 | pipegeek | valdyn: F**k. It looks like we had a second drive failure during the rebuild. |
| 16:24.30 | xoz | g0rd0n_: try apt-get install anacron |
| 16:24.38 | pipegeek | I hate everything |
| 16:24.39 | pipegeek | ta ta |
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| 16:25.06 | themill | valentin__: that's really nontrivial and not necessarily going to work ... /msg dpkg partial downgrade ; but I suspect you should be able to complete the upgrade to lenny just using whatever kernel your hosting provider gives you. Just don't hold me to that :) |
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| 16:25.27 | valdyn | pipeline: the one with the smart error probably didnt fail |
| 16:25.33 | keith4 | valentin__: you're in for a world of hurt |
| 16:25.42 | valdyn | pipeline: i mean, you could get data back, probably |
| 16:25.45 | valentin__ | :-( |
| 16:25.53 | ktwilight | i've got a problem importing an mysql db (etch) to lenny it throws me an error "ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 1" about syntax problem, there is a bug #491386 but apparently it's fixed, yet not? |
| 16:26.12 | valentin__ | themill: should i use the lenny repositorys? |
| 16:26.44 | Winnipeg_Guy | I'll try restarting xfce and see if that fixes it. |
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| 16:27.01 | themill | valentin__: First, you have to decide if you're going to try downgrading to etch (if that's possible) or if you're going to try finishing the upgrade to lenny (if that's possible). |
| 16:27.29 | g0rd0n_ | xoz: i just noticed the cron daemon was not even running... veeery odd! i started it now via /etc/init.d/cron start |
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| 16:27.50 | valentin__ | i would rather like to use lenny |
| 16:28.00 | valentin__ | themill: i would rather like to use lenny |
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| 16:28.26 | disposab1e | how do i add 'experimental' to my sources? i'd like to install OOo3. i've tried deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free, but still nothing new in aptitude :( |
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| 16:28.48 | hark | !tell disposab1e about experimental |
| 16:29.05 | themill | valentin__: you might want to ask about how to work with/around the kernel issue then. (don't ask me.... ask the channel about upgrading your etch domU to lenny and what that means for the kernel packages) |
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| 16:29.21 | Winnipeg_Guy | hmm... nope... still no joy. |
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| 16:29.42 | hark | Winnipeg_Guy: use ntfs-3g instead |
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| 16:29.59 | disposab1e | hark: that does not really answer my question, does it? |
| 16:30.13 | themill | disposab1e: it does... it says "iyhtays"... |
| 16:30.15 | hark | disposab1e: it does |
| 16:30.31 | hark | Winnipeg_Guy: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
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| 16:30.44 | valdyn | !versions openoffice.org |
| 16:30.50 | valdyn | judd: versions openoffice.org |
| 16:30.51 | judd | valdyn: openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1-17+b1 squeeze: 1:2.4.1-17+b1 sid: 1:3.0.1-4+b1 |
| 16:30.59 | valdyn | disposab1e: ^^ |
| 16:31.12 | Winnipeg_Guy | hark: That's what I installed. Are you saying my fstab line is incorrect? |
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| 16:32.23 | JyZyXEL | what is DRI? |
| 16:32.30 | keith4 | www.lmgtfy.com/?q=DRI |
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| 16:32.55 | keith4 | JyZyXEL: just kidding |
| 16:32.55 | stew | JyZyXEL: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 16:33.04 | JyZyXEL | eww |
| 16:33.06 | keith4 | valentin__: I have a few domUs running lenny |
| 16:33.26 | valentin__ | keith4: what are domUs ? |
| 16:33.26 | Winnipeg_Guy | Thanks hark. I'm gonna reboot and let it remount then try again. |
| 16:33.48 | keith4 | valentin__: Xen VMs |
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| 16:33.59 | keith4 | but they're still running the etch kernel ;-) |
| 16:34.00 | magyar_ | hi, is there a repo for flash on lenny? |
| 16:34.09 | themill | dpkg: tell magyar_ about adobe flash |
| 16:34.17 | keith4 | http://packages.debian.org/flashplayer-nonfree |
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| 16:35.30 | Winnipeg_Guy | hark: That did it. Works a treat now. Thanks. |
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| 16:36.19 | jnewt | hello, have debian "lenny" installed with kde desktop. this is my first round with linux. where is the "device manager? |
| 16:36.34 | hark | Winnipeg_Guy: np, btw you don't need to reboot for such things |
| 16:36.51 | Winnipeg_Guy | hark: To have it re-read fstab you mean? |
| 16:37.14 | OldMonk | jnewt: in the control panel |
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| 16:37.36 | hark | Winnipeg_Guy: yeah, you can 'mount -a' |
| 16:37.42 | petemc | jnewt: what is it you want to do? |
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| 16:37.56 | jnewt | i want to setup my two nics as a bridge. |
| 16:38.14 | Winnipeg_Guy | hark: Good to know. Hope I remember. :) |
| 16:38.31 | petemc | !tell jnewt about bridge setup |
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| 16:39.25 | jnewt | petemc: i don't even know if i have the nics setup yet though, i am searching the internet for how-to's and getting a slew of broken links. |
| 16:39.50 | jnewt | petemc: and old kernel / other distro how-to's, so i thought i would come here! |
| 16:40.13 | petemc | fantastic then |
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| 16:41.25 | ktwilight | aha, got it. |
| 16:41.28 | ktwilight | stupid compression :) |
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| 16:44.30 | ThoriuM | hello |
| 16:44.36 | disposab1e | valdyn: thank you |
| 16:44.58 | ThoriuM | does anyone knows a fax/modem virtual driver for linux ? |
| 16:45.21 | petemc | a what? |
| 16:45.30 | orgthingy | virtual driver of what? |
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| 16:46.41 | ThoriuM | fax/modem |
| 16:46.46 | ThoriuM | fax modem |
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| 16:47.03 | Quibus | Hi, since 2 days I get in testing a GNOME popup saying: There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon... etc. etc. What could be the problem? When starting from command line, it says amongst others: Failed to acquire org.gnome.SettingsDaemon |
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| 16:47.39 | ThoriuM | I have found several virtual drivers for windows ... |
| 16:47.46 | ThoriuM | but none for linux |
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| 16:48.08 | jnewt | ok, it says both of my nics are disabled, yet there is no way to select them, right click, no menu, how do i enable them? |
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| 16:49.01 | jnewt | the enable interface button is dithered, as are teh disable and configure interface buttons. could this be a permissions thing? |
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| 16:49.09 | fengor | argh installer hangs again while trying to install lenny |
| 16:49.11 | orgthingy | ThoriuM: i dont even know what you mean :p |
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| 16:49.38 | fengor | i just accepted the preselected selections desktop, laptop and standrd |
| 16:49.48 | fengor | instlaler hangs now at downloading package 809/809 |
| 16:50.15 | fengor | and the tail on cosnole 4 says it only got 798 packages |
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| 16:50.42 | fengor | is there anything i can do without starting over and having to wait several hours for the crypto to erase the harddisk again? |
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| 16:52.14 | hark | Quibus: checked the bts? |
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| 16:52.33 | Quibus | hark: yes, but to my surprise, I couldn't find something matching |
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| 16:53.49 | jnewt | where's the bridge connections button? |
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| 16:55.57 | Quibus | nor did Google help |
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| 16:56.06 | Quibus | Most peopple have this kind of problem when using vnc |
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| 16:57.04 | OpenTokix | fengor: choose go back and then do it again |
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| 16:57.34 | hark | Quibus: do you have debian-multimedia packages installed? |
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| 16:57.43 | Quibus | hark: yes, I do |
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| 16:58.16 | hark | !dbugs 519226 |
| 16:58.21 | dpkg | DONE:#519226:S[gnome-settings-daemon] gnome-settings-daemon dies due to gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg problem (); Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:09:02 UTC [] |
| 16:58.30 | hark | Quibus: ^ |
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| 16:58.46 | Quibus | wow |
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| 16:58.58 | Quibus | hark: let me look that one up |
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| 16:59.35 | fengor | OpenTokix: well hanging implied i cant go back sicne it hangs you know |
| 16:59.40 | Quibus | hark: thanks for the pointer, let's see if it contains a workaround |
| 16:59.43 | fengor | got it sorted out by killing the aptitude process manually |
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| 17:00.59 | OpenTokix | fengor: ctrl + c? |
| 17:01.04 | fengor | didnt work either |
| 17:01.11 | fengor | had to oipen a console and kill the process by hand |
| 17:01.14 | OpenTokix | oki |
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| 17:04.56 | nareshov | fengor: pkill name-of-process |
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| 17:06.47 | fengor | i just used the process id but thanks nareshov |
| 17:06.48 | jnewt | linux equivalent of ipconfig /all ? |
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| 17:07.21 | fengor | i'm just a bit annoyed that the installer hangs itself in such a defualt situation |
| 17:07.42 | fengor | cant imagine being hte first to use select and install softwarre in the installer |
| 17:07.56 | fengor | and its repoducable at least on my thinkpad |
| 17:08.00 | WickedMetalHead | is there anyway to do apt-get dist-upgrade and have it do a dry run? |
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| 17:08.09 | Quibus | hark: arf, the packages in unstable are newer, but aptitude disagrees (probably because of the different naming scheme) |
| 17:08.12 | WickedMetalHead | ive never done a dist upgrade and want a list of what its going to change before i go with it |
| 17:08.24 | CuteAlien | WickedMetalHead, with -s |
| 17:08.28 | OldMonk | WickedMetalHead: aptitide -d dist-upgrade |
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| 17:08.51 | WickedMetalHead | ok |
| 17:08.59 | xoz | jnewt: ifconfig |
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| 17:12.49 | klikklak | hi, I started using xpertmud. I'm supposed to press f6 to get a hud, but nothing happens. How can I figure out which program is capturing this keypress? I'm on gnome |
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| 17:13.38 | WickedMetalHead | if our apt was set to stable instad of etch, and we hadn't dist-upgraded, but had been using apt-get ugrade, some of our packages are lenny and some are etch right? And a dist0upgrade should bring everything to lenny and fix our half and half? |
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| 17:14.11 | klikklak | ehh, never mind, I just did RTFM |
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| 17:14.24 | worr | WickedMetalHead: you guys should be fully upgraded |
| 17:14.45 | worr | WickedMetalHead: dist-upgrade just does upgrades smartly |
| 17:14.45 | WickedMetalHead | even though we never did a apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:14.50 | WickedMetalHead | ah |
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| 17:14.59 | worr | yeah, a dist-upgrade just upgrades your core packages first |
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| 17:15.17 | worr | then it will upgrtade lower priority packages afterwards |
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| 17:15.29 | worr | that way if something break, your system isn't terribly terribly broken |
| 17:17.21 | themill | err... no it doesn't. |
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| 17:17.40 | kittonian | hi all |
| 17:17.59 | kittonian | I'm hoping someone can recommend a good and cheap company where I can host my stuff for about a month while I move |
| 17:18.10 | themill | WickedMetalHead: you should be able to recover from that situation with an aptitude full-upgrade ; read the release notes to check for any other nasty surprises though. /msg dpkg lenny release notes |
| 17:18.22 | kittonian | I need Debian, Bind9, Zope, Qmail, MySQL and PostgreSQL |
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| 17:18.43 | kittonian | either that or just a virtual server or dedicated server where I can do the installs of what's needed |
| 17:18.46 | WickedMetalHead | kittonian: i use linode for a vps if thats what your talking about? |
| 17:18.54 | WickedMetalHead | 20 bucks a month for their smallest one |
| 17:19.27 | kittonian | that looks perfect |
| 17:19.32 | kittonian | can I install whatever I want? |
| 17:19.50 | kittonian | and do I get SSH access? |
| 17:20.03 | ed0n0n | I have a new Lenny install, I'd like to install GPU drivers, the card is a Nvidia 9800, is there a package that install the right packages, and even configure Xorg.conf ? |
| 17:20.32 | WickedMetalHead | you pick from their list of OS's |
| 17:20.42 | WickedMetalHead | but you can install any linux os if you hack it |
| 17:21.00 | WickedMetalHead | if i recall |
| 17:21.09 | WickedMetalHead | they have Debian 5.0 as an option though |
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| 17:21.31 | WickedMetalHead | and you get root access to your vps, and you can ssh into the host server for console access as well |
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| 17:23.02 | Quibus | Let's try this |
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| 17:24.32 | hark | ed0n0n: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 17:24.59 | dec3pti0n | is there a flag on ps to find out how much I/O a process is using ? |
| 17:25.21 | kittonian | great, thanks so much. i'll give them a call |
| 17:27.10 | jnewt | how do i login as an administrator so i can install sudo from kde, it says it is not allowed. |
| 17:27.18 | jnewt | excuse me, root |
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| 17:27.35 | klikklak | how do I delete all previous pidgin configuration? .. mv .gaim gaim-old didn't do it. |
| 17:27.47 | OldMonk | .purple, i think |
| 17:27.53 | klikklak | thanks |
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| 17:28.41 | twobitsprite | dec3pti0n: for network, there's netstat. |
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| 17:30.31 | Quibus | hark: I removed the debian-multimedia packages, but I still keep those problems :( |
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| 17:30.33 | twobitsprite | jnewt: su |
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| 17:32.16 | jnewt | twobitsprite: su?, please elaborate if you can / have a minute, google doesn't give much |
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| 17:32.46 | themill | jnewt: just log in as your normal user then in a konsole, type "su -" and give the root password to become root. |
| 17:33.02 | jnewt | aha, thanks. ill give it a try. |
| 17:33.06 | twobitsprite | jnewt: ahh, you're still very fresh, huh? "su" is a command to switch users. If you don't tell it a user, it assumes root and will ask you for root's password |
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| 17:33.10 | twobitsprite | themill: damn, beat me :P |
| 17:33.22 | lxsameer | how can i add debian-installer to my repository ? in debian/dist/testing/main/debian-installer ? |
| 17:33.36 | jnewt | yes, this is day two of trying to eradicate my windows small business server. |
| 17:33.52 | hark | Quibus: try removing gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg or pastebin aptitude search '~i~Ounoff' |
| 17:34.09 | twobitsprite | good for you. "windows" and "server" don't belong in the same sentence... :) |
| 17:34.12 | Quibus | hark: that command doesn't give any output |
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| 17:34.54 | hark | Quibus: ok, that's good then |
| 17:35.03 | jnewt | my biggest problem is i understand how to do pretty much all in windows, and am stuck trying to do them the same way, it's like i need a map from windows / dos prompt commands to linux shell. |
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| 17:36.02 | twobitsprite | jnewt: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-roadmap.html |
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| 17:36.30 | hark | Quibus: then it probably is not your issue, does a new user also have the same problem? |
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| 17:36.42 | Quibus | hark: I'll try |
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| 17:36.48 | stepomat1cc | hi, how can i look what ext3 options are se |
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| 17:36.57 | stepomat1cc | set |
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| 17:37.16 | azeem | stepomat1cc: tune2fs -l /dev/ice I think |
| 17:37.23 | jnewt | twobitsprite: holy S**T, thank you. |
| 17:37.29 | Quibus | hark: I'll restart gdm etc, will be back soon |
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| 17:38.14 | stepomat1cc | yeah, your right, thanks |
| 17:38.54 | wedge | How does nice value affect process priority? Does NI take effect over the PR value, or does it simply subtract or add to the PR value of a running process? |
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| 17:40.50 | twobitsprite | jnewt: you can say "shit" in here :) |
| 17:40.56 | Quibus | hark: yes, a new user has the same problem |
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| 17:42.08 | jnewt | twobitsprite, quick question i don't see covered, in kde, in the run command box, what is the command for windows cmd, to get the console? |
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| 17:42.57 | worr | jnewt: konsole |
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| 17:43.34 | jnewt | ahh, much better. |
| 17:43.40 | anon | is java open source? |
| 17:43.44 | anon | JRE for example |
| 17:43.47 | worr | now it is |
| 17:43.51 | themill | anon: mostly. |
| 17:43.55 | worr | it wasn't before |
| 17:44.03 | worr | I don't think Debian has it in main yet |
| 17:44.49 | worr | yeah, near as I can tell it's still in non-free |
| 17:44.54 | Quibus | openjdk-6-jre is there |
| 17:44.59 | themill | worr: sun java is still not free that's why it's in non-free. |
| 17:45.00 | worr | package: sun-java6-jre |
| 17:45.17 | worr | themill: I thought they open-sourced it a while back? |
| 17:45.24 | Quibus | worr: openjdk-6-jre |
| 17:45.31 | themill | worr: some of it. the rest they are still "working on"... |
| 17:45.34 | worr | Quibus: that's not actually java |
| 17:45.42 | Quibus | worr: it is |
| 17:45.43 | worr | Quibus: it's fake, IcedTea java |
| 17:45.49 | worr | Quibus: not Sun Java |
| 17:45.53 | themill | worr: it is java, it's just not Sun Java(TM). |
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| 17:46.11 | johnrw | ya know... guys... gals... as the case may be... I have probably come across as a complainer... here in #debian... and that may be the case... but for now... I have to praise debian wholeheartedly! My Bluetooth mouse... a Logitech that has some gadgtety extra buttons that never worked before..... are working! Freakin awesome! |
| 17:46.20 | Quibus | OpenJDK is started by Sun |
| 17:46.28 | Quibus | It's just the free version of Sun's own Java |
| 17:46.33 | themill | jnewt: kde will let you map shortcut keys to everything too, so for example you can map win+k to start a new konsole. konsole also has the ability to have multiple tabs in the same way as browsers etc. |
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| 17:47.00 | worr | Uhh, the package description says IcedTea, not Sun |
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| 17:47.28 | themill | worr: do you know what IcedTea is? |
| 17:47.35 | johnrw | Forward and Back buttons are working in Firefox... on the mouse... |
| 17:47.46 | johnrw | Go Debian! |
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| 17:47.55 | worr | themill: It's the people that tried to write their own open-source java, right? |
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| 17:48.10 | \amethyst | worr: IcedTea is fedora's version of Sun's OpenJDK |
| 17:48.10 | stew | worr: "the people" being sun and redhat |
| 17:48.21 | \amethyst | worr: it is the first open-source Java implementation to pass the TCK |
| 17:48.44 | themill | worr: no.... it's the people who are finishing off the work on actually making sun java free as opposed to what the sun PR people claimed some years ago when then supposedly freed it. |
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| 17:48.49 | \amethyst | worr: which means they are allowed to call it Java |
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| 17:49.08 | worr | oh wow... |
| 17:49.12 | worr | is reading the wikipedia page |
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| 17:50.11 | Quibus | hark: any more ideas? |
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| 17:51.03 | hark | Quibus: well, you can try #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 17:52.37 | worr | disregard everything I said, I'm obviously wrong and mentally deficient |
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| 17:54.29 | mythomaniac | was it the netinst or the businesscard cd that allowed one to choose which version of debian to install, for example testing or stable? |
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| 17:55.25 | ed0n0n | How can I shutdown X so I just have a terminal to install some drivers in lenny? |
| 17:56.23 | SQlvpapir_ | ed0n0n: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 17:56.26 | jnewt | ok, got my network cards working, am i going to need extra software to bridge them (google shows many sofware packs that claim to do this), (just don't want to go down the wrong path) |
| 17:56.42 | SQlvpapir_ | stop gdm as a service if you have that for gnome or kdm for kde |
| 17:56.49 | ed0n0n | SQlvpapir_: that restarts the X I need to keep them shut down for a while |
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| 17:57.05 | worr | ed0n0n: /etc/init.d/gdm stop if you're using gd, |
| 17:57.08 | worr | *gdm |
| 17:57.22 | ed0n0n | Ok, thank you :D |
| 17:57.26 | SQlvpapir_ | ed0n0n: no it shuts it down.. gdm just starts it again |
| 17:57.34 | worr | ed0n0n: that stops the GDM service, and stops X |
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| 17:57.51 | kiszseee | hi all |
| 17:57.57 | worr | jnewt: yeah, you need bridge-utils |
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| 17:58.12 | worr | jnewt: there's a guide on the Debian wiki |
| 17:58.22 | jnewt | thanks, ill start there. |
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| 17:59.07 | worr | jnewt: http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
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| 18:01.37 | Quibus | hark: OK, I'm doing that... no resonse so far |
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| 18:10.20 | fire | hi there |
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| 18:10.35 | fire | another day another question |
| 18:10.52 | macman | there a way to fake the linux kernal to load videos card drivers for your card but not use them .. if that makes sense ? |
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| 18:12.09 | jonny66 | Im using debian unstable and i want to use xbmc. Its available using packages for gutsy/hardy... is it recomended to use one of theese or shoud i try to compile it? |
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| 18:12.32 | fire | How can I add an mount of a partition to the boot procedere |
| 18:12.46 | OldMonk | fire: put it in /etc/fstab |
| 18:12.47 | johnrw | well since I threw XP off the machine... except in VirtualBox... it has been a long time since I ever had anything to read in this rag (PC Magazine) but here's a pronouncement you all might like... by John Dvorak http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2342703,00.asp |
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| 18:12.51 | fire | thx |
| 18:12.52 | fire | :D |
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| 18:15.01 | litwol|mac | hello |
| 18:15.08 | johnrw | I never thought I'd see it... "Dvorak Likes Linux" |
| 18:15.15 | MJS | hi |
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| 18:15.26 | litwol|mac | this is my sources.list, what is the correct syntax to add 'unstable' to the list? http://drupalbin.com/8377 |
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| 18:15.34 | MJS | I have installed Debian testing and tried to compile Virtualbox version 2.1.4 OSE. Now I get the error that python support was not found... but "python-support" is already installed! What can I do? |
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| 18:16.03 | fire | oldMonk: what should i set by "dump" and "pass" |
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| 18:17.28 | fire | what should i set by "dump" and "pass", if I add an partition in the fstab ???? |
| 18:17.30 | johnrw | MJS: do you have aptitude available? |
| 18:17.46 | sylarrr | problem: new motherboard, network card is not up. In live CD it is up, uses module atl1e. |
| 18:18.00 | MJS | johnrw, how do you mean this? |
| 18:18.02 | adama__ | fire: 0 and 0 are fine |
| 18:18.09 | MJS | i have installed aptitude |
| 18:18.14 | sylarrr | I see the atl1e in lsmod in both |
| 18:18.16 | adama__ | read man fstab if you want to know what they do |
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| 18:18.39 | sylarrr | when I try to ifup, then it gives me an error |
| 18:18.44 | hark | MJS: why do you want to compile it? |
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| 18:19.09 | MJS | to have the latest version |
| 18:19.18 | MJS | and because its fun^^ |
| 18:19.28 | hark | !info virtualbox-ose testing |
| 18:19.33 | johnrw | MJS: when I do dpkg -l | grep python I get more back than 'python support' |
| 18:19.51 | sylarrr | no such device |
| 18:19.55 | MJS | yes me too |
| 18:19.59 | johnrw | you'll probably need python-dev |
| 18:20.19 | dpkg | virtualbox-ose: (x86 virtualization solution - binaries), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.6.6-dfsg-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 6651 kB, Installed size: 21120 kB |
| 18:20.28 | johnrw | or make that python2.4-dev |
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| 18:20.50 | MJS | johnrw, thank you |
| 18:20.53 | johnrw | i'm runny lenny and that's what is there |
| 18:20.55 | hark | judd: versions virtualbox-ose --release squeeze |
| 18:20.56 | judd | hark: virtualbox-ose -- squeeze: 2.1.4-dfsg-1 |
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| 18:21.01 | MJS | I thought I'd tried it |
| 18:21.09 | hark | MJS: ^ |
| 18:21.23 | johnrw | s/runny/running/ |
| 18:22.08 | johnrw | MJS: yw |
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| 18:22.36 | Ace2017_- | is it possible to instruct the system to switch from the Xserver to TTY1? i'm trying to write a bash script that sends me to tty1 |
| 18:22.49 | MJS | yw?? |
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| 18:23.05 | sylarrr | taiwan? |
| 18:23.08 | valdyn | Ace2017_-: chvt |
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| 18:23.15 | arezey | MJS, yw = you're welcome |
| 18:23.17 | ukatan | hi, I'm using testing and having an odd issue with acpi |
| 18:23.23 | ukatan | and gnome-power-manager, specifically |
| 18:23.25 | MJS | ah ok thanks |
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| 18:23.31 | themill | MJS: aptitude build-dep <packagename> is worth exploring too.... |
| 18:23.34 | arezey | MJS, yw :P |
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| 18:23.41 | valdyn | Ace2017_-: wont do what you want if X is on tty1 though |
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| 18:24.03 | johnrw | MJS: Here is what python I have installed... http://pastebin.ca/1359184 |
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| 18:24.23 | ukatan | acpi sees my lid close, but g-p-m won't suspend or hibernate my system. I know suspend/hibernate works because I can do it from the command line |
| 18:24.25 | Ace2017_- | valdyn: x isn't on tty1 |
| 18:24.27 | MJS | hmm |
| 18:24.38 | themill | Ace2017_-: so chvt 7 then... |
| 18:24.47 | johnrw | I can't say I have been able to compile virtualbox-ose, but it is what got installed... |
| 18:24.48 | valdyn | ukatan: from command line as root |
| 18:24.49 | MJS | well it worked with python-dev |
| 18:25.01 | johnrw | cool |
| 18:25.04 | ukatan | valdyn, yes |
| 18:25.06 | valdyn | ukatan: powerdev is the group that permits users to suspen iirc |
| 18:25.09 | fire | adama_: thx |
| 18:25.13 | ukatan | I am in powerdev :( |
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| 18:25.26 | valdyn | ukatan: which debian release? |
| 18:25.26 | Ace2017_- | valdyn: thanks (any solution which can be run as a user?) |
| 18:25.27 | johnrw | what version of virtualbox is in testing? |
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| 18:25.40 | valdyn | Ace2017_-: sudo chvt |
| 18:25.43 | ukatan | I can suspend/hibernate if I tell g-p-m to use my power button as a suspend button |
| 18:25.50 | fire | adama_: do you use any backupscript /-program? |
| 18:26.06 | ukatan | but it won't do it when I close the lid |
| 18:26.23 | ukatan | I also can't run pm-suspend from a terminal |
| 18:26.30 | litwol|mac | what is the correct syntax to use for unstable debian sources.list? my current sources.list : http://drupalbin.com/8377 |
| 18:26.33 | valdyn | ukatan: you did set the g-p-m settings to suspend when lid closes? |
| 18:26.37 | ukatan | yes |
| 18:26.44 | Ace2017_- | valdyn: yea thats what i tried, maybe i'll have to add it to sudoers |
| 18:26.52 | ukatan | valdyn, I tried hibernate too with no luck |
| 18:26.53 | valdyn | ukatan: hmm you didnt tell me yet which debian release you are on |
| 18:26.58 | ukatan | testing |
| 18:27.12 | valdyn | ukatan: its probably already controlled bypolicykit |
| 18:27.15 | abrotman | litwol|mac: if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
| 18:27.22 | litwol|mac | abrotman: learning process |
| 18:27.23 | ukatan | what does that mean? |
| 18:27.31 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 18:27.31 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 18:27.33 | valdyn | ukatan: which version is your gnome-power-manager ? |
| 18:27.47 | aixenv | hey guys oddly enough our 2950's arent finding the nics on install, (bnx2) ; i found a link regarding install 'firmware-bnx2' after the install, anyone know any other work arounds? |
| 18:27.55 | aixenv | this is for lenny install |
| 18:27.59 | litwol|mac | abrotman: sure sure, how to use testing instead ? |
| 18:28.08 | valdyn | judd: versions gnome-power-manager |
| 18:28.09 | judd | valdyn: gnome-power-manager -- etch: 2.14.3-3+b1 lenny: 2.22.1-4 sid: 2.22.1-4 squeeze: 2.22.1-4 experimental: 2.24.2-2 |
| 18:28.10 | adama__ | fire: I use rsnapshot |
| 18:28.15 | valdyn | judd: nm |
| 18:28.16 | judd | valdyn: Error: "nm" is not a valid command. |
| 18:28.29 | ukatan | hold on |
| 18:28.32 | valdyn | ukatan: nevermind, you are on the group permission system still for this |
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| 18:28.41 | aixenv | i would imagine a lot of ppl are using those servers |
| 18:28.41 | ukatan | yeah |
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| 18:29.43 | ukatan | it seems like for some reason g-p-m can't see the acpi events |
| 18:29.44 | gmap | im building a kiosk system that has specific settings and apps installed. After complete one system I would like an easy way to duplicate multiple machines. Whats the best way of accomplishing this? |
| 18:30.22 | lxsameer | how can i download just a little part of a repository using debmirror? |
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| 18:30.28 | Ace2017_- | norton ghost can do it |
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| 18:30.55 | aixenv | anyone having an issue with dell 2950 servers and debian lenny not seeing the nics? |
| 18:31.03 | adama__ | gmap: dd or dpkg --show-selections and restore-selections or whatever |
| 18:31.44 | gmap | adama_ will that make an exact duplicate of my system? |
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| 18:31.54 | adama__ | gmap: actually not dpkg. dd will though |
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| 18:32.05 | adama__ | dpkg will just install the same packages |
| 18:32.06 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, adama__ |
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| 18:32.37 | gmap | how about a debian live cd |
| 18:33.21 | designs703 | Python web.py for Lenny is 0.23. The lastest web.py is 0.31. What's the best way to use the latest version? |
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| 18:33.24 | adama__ | you could use that to do the dd command, from your set-up drive to an identical empty one, then put it in identical hardware |
| 18:33.34 | designs703 | Just do a setup.py install? |
| 18:33.40 | Ace2017_- | gmap: http://www.megaleecher.net/Free_Multicast_Cloner |
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| 18:34.04 | aixenv | no one uses 2950s? |
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| 18:35.44 | pj0ta | hello there, people! |
| 18:35.51 | bittin | Hello |
| 18:36.08 | Ace2017_- | hi |
| 18:36.12 | aixenv | why on earth would debian lenny not have the same (and more) nic support than etch? |
| 18:36.26 | Ace2017_- | aixenv: does it show up in lspci? |
| 18:36.37 | pj0ta | I have a problem during a fresh instalation -> "No disk drive was detected" |
| 18:36.39 | halflife08_ | aixenv: hmmn don't 2950's have broadcom chipset ? |
| 18:36.47 | aixenv | halflife08_ : yes bnx2 |
| 18:36.51 | gmap | Ace2017_ thanks, clonezilla looks sweet. |
| 18:36.59 | pj0ta | any ideo of having the apropiate disk drive for my hard drive? |
| 18:37.05 | aixenv | Ace2017_- : this is before the o/s is even booted |
| 18:37.17 | aixenv | bombing out during install |
| 18:37.23 | aixenv | well not bombing.. but complaining no nics |
| 18:37.25 | lxsameer | is there any where to download main/debian-installer ? |
| 18:37.41 | halflife08_ | aixenv: switch consoles, lspci or lsmod to see if the driver is loaded |
| 18:38.14 | halflife08_ | aixenv: when i was using etch and 2950's i ran into the problem where physical nic 0 - > eth1 and physical nic 1 - > eth0 so could also be happening here |
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| 18:38.36 | gmap | adama_ thanks. |
| 18:38.38 | pj0ta | lxsameer: for example -> http://tinyurl.com/c322al |
| 18:38.39 | aixenv | halflife08_ : etch always seemd to work for us, we're just now implementing lenny into prod |
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| 18:38.47 | halflife08_ | aixenv: is it getting a dhcp address or are you assigning it a static |
| 18:38.58 | aixenv | halflife08_ : slipstream cd assigning static |
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| 18:40.04 | halflife08_ | aixenv: which means you are seeing the nic, because if you are not seeing the nic then you would not been able to assing ip, you got to check your gateway settings |
| 18:40.37 | halflife08_ | aixenv: switch to the console and run ifconfig eth0/1 and then see if the ipaddr is correct and then try to ping your gateway |
| 18:40.45 | aixenv | halflife08_ : no i mean that's what we're attempting to do, it's erroring out saying no network device and saying we can install from an exterinal device |
| 18:41.02 | aixenv | im having the DC engineer re-run setup |
| 18:41.12 | anon | Why can't why can't why can't you just get physical like a human |
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| 18:41.47 | halflife08_ | aixenv: oh, you don't have remote console to the system? |
| 18:41.57 | aixenv | halflife08_ : not me, no |
| 18:43.31 | lxsameer | pj0ta: no , w8 for a moment |
| 18:43.54 | halflife08_ | aixenv: is there another 2950 that it can be tested on, to make sure that there are no bad nics ? |
| 18:44.01 | pj0ta | lxsameer: no what? Ok, I will |
| 18:44.16 | aixenv | halflife08_ :yes ill try that in a sec, this server did install with etch though |
| 18:44.34 | aixenv | we tried an etch -> lenny upgrade and it disappeared from tne network, which leads m to believe it lost the network drivers |
| 18:44.42 | halflife08_ | aixenv: oh ok |
| 18:44.52 | lxsameer | pj0ta: i mean this http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/debian-installer/binary-i386/ |
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| 18:45.50 | aixenv | halflife08_ : prompt he's getting says "some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate. the firmware can be loaded from removeable media, such as usb stick or floppy, the missing firmware files are :bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw, if you have such media avaiable now, insert it, and continue.. load missing firmware from removeable media?" |
| 18:46.26 | aixenv | i just found this |
| 18:46.27 | aixenv | http://www.mail-archive.com/kernel-svn-changes@lists.alioth.debian.org/msg05555.html |
| 18:46.33 | pj0ta | lxsameer: do you need the new sugar graphical install? |
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| 18:46.41 | aixenv | so maybe a newer iso would have it |
| 18:47.08 | nivanson2 | if i am to have a webserver with 200 000 small pictures that the users can browse, should i put them in my db or just plain on the filesystem? Im thinking for the hardwares sake |
| 18:47.28 | nivanson2 | and are there any filesystems that are better than others for this purpose? |
| 18:47.43 | lxsameer | pj0ta: if it is available why not ? but i want to build a small repo with special packages and i need this one |
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| 18:47.56 | halflife08_ | aixenv: oh, one of those binary blobs, bah, i guess you need to download that onto a usb stick and then use it , can't help beyond this, got to run, good luck |
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| 18:48.42 | hallowname | nivanson2: 200,000 is a lot. a db would manage them faster and more efficiently. i used xfs once for a similiar task. now im on reiser, looking at ext4's code :) |
| 18:48.46 | braydon_ | I've been searching online but can't find a good resource for howto downgrade a system from unstable to stable, can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 18:49.11 | nivanson2 | hallowname: thanks :) db it is ... i think i wrecked my old harddrive cuz of the load on my page :/ |
| 18:49.29 | cahoot | braydon_: a reinstall would probably best the most efficient |
| 18:49.38 | hallowname | braydon_: keep each folder in / on a separate partition helps me a lot in that situation :) |
| 18:49.56 | themill | aixenv: /msg dpkg installer firmware |
| 18:50.03 | hallowname | nivanson2: nice, ive killed many a poor laptop hardrive the same way... like they are made of cardboard or something... |
| 18:50.07 | jpinx | braydon_: backup everything and re-install |
| 18:50.32 | nivanson2 | hallowname: yeah... they are weak... so are the standard external harddrives |
| 18:51.06 | nivanson2 | hallowname: toasted 3 of them in just 2 months by doing backup of these 200 000 files haha my client who is the owner of the files wtfs everytime i tell him to buy better drives |
| 18:51.12 | hallowname | nivanson2: hmm ive never had many, i ran debian on one for 3yrs til the needle stuck in it, then i had to take it apart... now its only for dvds... |
| 18:51.16 | lxsameer | pj0ta: do you have any idea? |
| 18:51.21 | braydon_ | jpinx. cahoot, hallowname: thanks, I'll do this. I have my home folder in a different partition... |
| 18:51.27 | hallowname | ninjaslim: haha |
| 18:51.38 | nivanson2 | hallowname: but basicly... here i am today with no backup cuz the drives were crap and my main drive just broke down on me |
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| 18:51.47 | pj0ta | lxsameer: wait a moment, plz |
| 18:51.50 | hallowname | braydon_: np, seriously, having /boot and /usr (/etc, etc :) help me a bunch |
| 18:51.56 | lxsameer | pj0ta: sure thanks |
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| 18:52.31 | jpinx | braydon_: I too have /boot and /home on separate partitions |
| 18:52.31 | hallowname | nivanson2: nice, tried those forensics distros yet? i think backtrack or something similiar might help recover some information |
| 18:52.34 | braydon_ | hallowname: how does keeping them on seperate partitions help for this? |
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| 18:53.03 | jpinx | braydon_: but you can backup in whatever way is needed |
| 18:53.04 | braydon_ | hallowname: at least more than /home and / |
| 18:53.35 | braydon_ | jpinx: i see, so you can backup /var, and /etc for example |
| 18:53.38 | nivanson2 | hallowname: im running a ubuntucd right now trying the ext3undel tool because i randomly had a backup on my media disk which i deleted (cuz it shouldnt have been there) just two days ago |
| 18:53.47 | hallowname | braydon_: /boot has all my kernel images and initrds cuz i like to swap em out :P so do debian re-installs. /usr,/etc has all the apt installed stuff usually... instead of just redoing the entire system when i reinstall |
| 18:53.48 | nivanson2 | hallowname: i might give backtrack a go if this fails |
| 18:54.15 | hallowname | nivanson2: ee, ubuntu is no rescue distro, lol. there are others better suited than backtrack likely |
| 18:54.16 | foetus | hi. |
| 18:54.35 | nivanson2 | hallowname: i know, i just had i lying here and it works for this single purpose... ;) |
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| 18:54.42 | jpinx | braydon_: yes - backup what you feel you will need for various configs and re-install. Having stuff on separate partitions just makes the process a bit easier |
| 18:54.52 | ewet | hi, anyone else here using deb http://kde4.debian.net/ lenny main? |
| 18:54.55 | foetus | how must i escape contents written by cat contains variables? |
| 18:54.59 | ewet | will i die using it? |
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| 18:55.22 | foetus | (in a bashscript) |
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| 18:55.41 | jpinx | braydon_: depends on how complex your setup is ;) |
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| 18:55.56 | braydon_ | jpinx, hallowname: I am not super familiar with backing up, would rsync or scp be the tool to use? |
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| 18:56.10 | jpinx | braydon_: use rsync |
| 18:56.23 | braydon_ | jpinx: ok |
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| 18:56.35 | Xunie | So ehm guys, What is the 'proper' way of running iptables at boot?... |
| 18:56.46 | Xunie | (In lenny (5.0) |
| 18:56.49 | dominikh- | can you "push" data to the mount point with rsync? |
| 18:56.59 | jpinx | braydon_: rean man rsync and preserve permissions if you are going to creatthe same users on the new system |
| 18:57.00 | dominikh- | mountpoint=nfs |
| 18:57.07 | jpinx | dominikh-: yes |
| 18:57.08 | pj0ta | lxsameer: sorry, I'm here agai. Please, can you specify what do you need? |
| 18:57.14 | dominikh- | cool |
| 18:57.28 | dominikh- | maybe I need to switch from webmin to rsync then |
| 18:57.30 | braydon_ | jpinx: ok cool. |
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| 18:57.39 | jpinx | dominikh-: you said rsync - it will push |
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| 18:57.47 | foetus | there are variables standing in (....), and they where accessed, but i don't wonna do this, the variables are only for placeholders.. |
| 18:57.56 | jpinx | dominikh-: webmin is of dubious security |
| 18:58.09 | dominikh- | ..but easy to use. |
| 18:58.24 | fire | adama_: rsnapshot mirrors the data right? |
| 18:58.40 | jpinx | dominikh-: depends on your system usage -, but not good for a publically accessible system |
| 18:58.51 | kern | hello i've a problem,when click on url xchat not open browser and get me this error in console:errore nel mostrare l'URL: Operation not supported |
| 18:59.13 | jpinx | !it |
| 18:59.13 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:59.18 | Xunie | kern, Maybe you cna translate the 'errore nel mostrare' part for me?.. |
| 18:59.35 | Xunie | dpkg, Thank you lol |
| 18:59.36 | dpkg | de nada, Xunie |
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| 18:59.54 | kern | Errore nel mostrare l'URL: Operation not supported |
| 18:59.55 | lxsameer | pj0ta: i want to build a small repository for special job with some special packages and i need that my repo contain debian installer part like this http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/debian-installer/binary-i386/ but i don't know how to download that? |
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| 19:00.16 | jpinx | !tell kern about it |
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| 19:01.09 | kern | Xunie: Error showing URL: Operation not supported |
| 19:01.42 | jpinx | kern: it looks like an xchat problem |
| 19:02.27 | kern | i've upgrade lenny-testing and now this error |
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| 19:02.46 | jpinx | kern: try #xchat |
| 19:02.56 | Xunie | kern, You mean sid lol |
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| 19:03.06 | Xunie | kern, Also check what is your default browser... |
| 19:03.13 | jpinx | kern: testing is testing and is not stable |
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| 19:03.57 | pj0ta | lxsameer: you have many ways to do that. Can use ftp, wget... |
| 19:04.10 | lxsameer | pj0ta: yes |
| 19:04.24 | lxsameer | pj0ta: there is a problem |
| 19:04.44 | pj0ta | lxsameer: tell me |
| 19:04.51 | lxsameer | pj0ta: i want the packages that are in Packages.gz file |
| 19:05.56 | pj0ta | lxsameer: don't know what the content is but, why don't you just download and unpack it? |
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| 19:06.57 | lxsameer | pj0ta: it is a file that contain a list of udeb file that is in pool directory |
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| 19:08.16 | themill | lxsameer: then either look at a tool like debmirror that is designed for this, or parse that Packages file yourself and download the udebs. |
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| 19:09.05 | pj0ta | lxsameer: I see. Did you try something like this -> http://tinyurl.com/al4xa5? |
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| 19:09.28 | lxsameer | themill: i know about debmirror but i write a script for making repo and i want to do this via script. |
| 19:09.50 | lxsameer | themill: debmirror download whole the repo not a small part |
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| 19:10.11 | HellMind | I'm deleting a lot of img, rm -fr /img/ ( like thousands) my box its like locked, some services stop working, 50% of the cpu is used by iowait, what can I do? |
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| 19:10.36 | themill | lxsameer: according to its documentation, debmirror can be asked to mirror the installer as one of the optional sections. |
| 19:10.52 | OpenTokix | HellMind: your io is crap, I had the same problem on 2.6.18, but now on 2.6.26 it is alot better |
| 19:11.03 | OpenTokix | HellMind: is it a PATA-drive? |
| 19:11.13 | lxsameer | themill: how ? -s main/debian-installer ? |
| 19:11.16 | themill | lxsameer: but if you want to do this via script that you're writing, that's great... write yourself a script to do it... |
| 19:11.40 | HellMind | OpenTokix: I got 2 SATA disk working as RAID 1 (by soft) |
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| 19:11.55 | themill | lxsameer: yes, according to the docs. |
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| 19:12.01 | OpenTokix | HellMind: ok, what kernel? |
| 19:12.19 | lxsameer | themill: but it still down load main |
| 19:12.20 | HellMind | OpenTokix : 2.6.24-23-server #1 SMP |
| 19:13.07 | OpenTokix | HellMind: what kind of kernel is that? |
| 19:13.25 | OpenTokix | HellMind: sounds like a ubuntu-kernel to me |
| 19:13.35 | HellMind | Its a ubuntu server 8.04 |
| 19:13.39 | lxsameer | pj0ta: yeah i do read that before |
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| 19:14.20 | pj0ta | lxsameer: I'm not an expert on this, sorry. Only what googled |
| 19:14.25 | OpenTokix | HellMind: oh, I tought this was #debian.... yeah - it is |
| 19:14.36 | lxsameer | pj0ta: thanks man |
| 19:14.54 | jpinx | HellMind: try #ubuntu |
| 19:14.58 | HellMind | OpenTokix : well im not talking about windows, ubuntu its very like debian :P |
| 19:15.04 | HellMind | ok |
| 19:15.55 | pj0ta | lxsameer: wellcome. Luck with your project, man! |
| 19:17.17 | pj0ta | I'm looking for a way to know what's the disk driver to use for my actual hard disk. Disk driver detected on a fresh instalation |
| 19:17.28 | rabideejit | I'm having problems getting dns, using bind9 working on an etch server. I get errors like this |
| 19:17.29 | rabideejit | client 127.0.0.1#39503: query (cache) url denied |
| 19:17.29 | rabideejit | But I look at the named.conf and it is authoritative for the localhost --- http://pastebin.com/m175a7737 |
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| 19:20.03 | rabideejit | and I get this in dig |
| 19:20.04 | rabideejit | ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 18791 |
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| 19:21.42 | looool | hello |
| 19:21.44 | looool | i have a problem |
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| 19:21.59 | OpenTokix | looool: your o-key stuck? |
| 19:22.10 | looool | why i can't ping eth0 from outside? |
| 19:22.33 | OpenTokix | looool: runnign iptables? |
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| 19:24.54 | valdyn | !tell looool -about ask |
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| 19:25.07 | valdyn | !8ball |
| 19:25.07 | dpkg | yes--definetly |
| 19:25.25 | rabideejit | ok I added allow-query{ 127.0.0.1; }; to named.conf.options, but the status is still REFUSED |
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| 19:25.28 | pj0ta | looool: r you pinging like that : ping eth0 ? |
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| 19:26.04 | valdyn | rabideejit: what did you do to *disallow* localhost, as its allowed by default? |
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| 19:26.25 | rabideejit | valdyn: I didn't disallow it, it simply didn't work. |
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| 19:27.54 | phanter | I use Lenny and try to build and install a driver. The description tells me to : |
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| 19:28.12 | phobos_anomaly | phanter: what module are you trying to build? |
| 19:28.26 | rabideejit | What's interesting is I get this message in dig: reply from unexpected source: myremoteipaddress#53, expected 127.0.0.1# |
| 19:28.31 | phanter | I use Lenny and try to build and install a driver. The description tells me to: Add the following line to the ServerLayout section to include the elo input device: InputDevice "elo" |
| 19:28.46 | phanter | , but there is no ServerLayout section :( |
| 19:28.56 | looool | OpenTokix no |
| 19:28.59 | looool | sorry for the retard |
| 19:29.03 | phanter | I am building the driver for a n elo touchscreen (serial connection) |
| 19:29.30 | phobos_anomaly | phanter, thats an easy one to fix. got your xorg.conf ready for editing? |
| 19:29.51 | looool | i not running iptables |
| 19:30.07 | phanter | yes I have |
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| 19:30.55 | phobos_anomaly | ok, at the top of the file, enter in "Section "ServerLayout" then under that, enter in whatever the module is telling you to do, then type in EndSection below that |
| 19:31.28 | phanter | phobos_anomaly: will that not exclude the other parts of my xorg.conf sections? |
| 19:31.37 | phobos_anomaly | nope |
| 19:31.51 | phanter | oke :) |
| 19:31.52 | pj0ta | bye, folks! |
| 19:31.53 | phanter | thanks! |
| 19:32.00 | RedLizard | can i use apt (as non-root) to download the latest version of a binary package to the current directory? |
| 19:32.48 | phanter | let me test that |
| 19:33.00 | phobos_anomaly | phanter: should look like this when your done http://pastebin.ca/1359232 |
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| 19:33.32 | OpenTokix | RedLizard: no |
| 19:33.43 | OpenTokix | RedLizard: but you can always wget it |
| 19:33.57 | phanter | phobos_anomaly: now I get the fatal error: No screens found |
| 19:34.04 | RedLizard | OpenTokix: yes, but i'd have to parse the entire repository format |
| 19:34.11 | phobos_anomaly | ok, so we'll add in another line |
| 19:34.17 | phanter | (x worked without that section without a problem) |
| 19:34.19 | johnrw | any gmail users here? |
| 19:34.22 | phanter | oke |
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| 19:34.33 | OpenTokix | johnrw: yes |
| 19:35.21 | johnrw | OpenTokix: ya know... gmail chat has video capabilites... but not for linux... |
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| 19:35.48 | phobos_anomaly | phanter: try this http://pastebin.ca/1359233 |
| 19:36.07 | phanter | I will try |
| 19:36.15 | OpenTokix | johnrw: ok |
| 19:36.19 | johnrw | gets ready to rummmmmmble |
| 19:36.51 | phanter | still the same error |
| 19:36.52 | wonderwal | if the amd64 install cd boots, does it mean the processor can definitely do amd64 instructions? |
| 19:37.00 | johnrw | OpenTokix: I'd like to put an end to that... but by myself... I can only grumble... |
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| 19:37.18 | martianlobster | I would like to get the original version of sshd_config. I tried doing "cd /etc/ssh; mv sshd_config sshd_config.old; apt-get install sshd_config", but that doesn't work. Does anyone know how I can apt-get install my original sshd_config? |
| 19:37.36 | abrotman | !tell martianlobster about confmiss |
| 19:37.46 | martianlobster | thanks |
| 19:37.47 | abrotman | wonderwal: yes |
| 19:38.15 | phobos_anomaly | phanter: try changing the screen 0 to whatever screen its supposed to be |
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| 19:38.28 | jpinx | johnrw: the same applies to Yahoo messenger, msn messenger, skyps, and I'm sure a few other chat/video applications, so you would be a popular guy if you fix it |
| 19:38.43 | RedLizard | OpenTokix: looks like --print-uris does the job :) |
| 19:38.52 | johnrw | jpinx: Skype works on linux |
| 19:39.03 | looool | OpenTokix i have a router and NAT, but ppp0 is a bridge |
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| 19:39.13 | avu | johnrw, for some possible definitions of "works" perhaps |
| 19:39.20 | johnrw | lol |
| 19:39.30 | avu | johnrw, and if by linux you mean "linux on x86" |
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| 19:39.43 | jpinx | johnrw: skype only does voice on linux - no texts and no video |
| 19:39.43 | OpenTokix | RedLizard: nice |
| 19:39.56 | OpenTokix | looool: I have never used ppp |
| 19:40.17 | johnrw | jpinx: I can do video... using skype... (i think) |
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| 19:40.30 | phanter | phobos_anomaly: You are my personal hero of today!!! This problem took me the whole day to fix!!!! |
| 19:40.39 | johnrw | but i am on x86 |
| 19:40.46 | phobos_anomaly | phanter: glad it worked for you : ) |
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| 19:41.30 | johnrw | well we all know Google uses linux... internally. |
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| 19:42.09 | phanter | :) |
| 19:42.11 | abrotman | johnrw: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 19:42.23 | johnrw | jpinx: what do you mean by texts? |
| 19:42.55 | jpinx | johnrw: join #debian-offtopic before on op boots you;) |
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| 19:43.27 | jpinx | s/on/an |
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| 19:45.17 | johnrw | abrotman: I guess your question infers I am off topic? But I think it's related... to debian... but i'll try debian-offtopic since you infer that because I run debian... i should accept less 'service' from web 2.0 outfits like google. |
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| 19:45.36 | abrotman | johnrw: skype is not in debian .. neither is google |
| 19:45.55 | jpinx | !ot |
| 19:45.55 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 19:46.30 | martianlobster | rsa key authentication, and dsa key authentication wont work for one specific user, on my server. It works for all of the other users in my server. I just moved .ssh, to .ssh.bak, made a new .ssh, copied a id_dsa.pub from a client machine to .ssh/authorized_keys, and it still wont work. I get promted for a password when I try to login. Does anyone know why key authentication would fail for one, and only one user? |
| 19:46.50 | johnrw | okay... no problem... |
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| 19:48.02 | ed0n0n | debian newbie question: Can I hace Iceweasel and Firefox instaled together? How? |
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| 19:48.36 | jpinx | ed0n0n: they are the same thing (effectively) - why install both? |
| 19:48.41 | zleap | iceweasel is firefox, just that debian call it iceweasel due to licensing |
| 19:49.19 | ed0n0n | jpinx: really? There are some web pages that arent rendered the same way |
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| 19:49.46 | scribeskul | Question: Has anyone experienced any problems installing Debian Lenny, specifically, when using the CD Install, an error where the Software Installation portion will fail right after a 'multiple dictionary' window pops up twice, asking either manual symlink or American Dictionary? |
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| 19:51.05 | maligor | ed0n0n, they probably check for firefox in some non-compliant manner and disable somet things |
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| 19:51.39 | craigevil | ed0n0n: change the user.agent in about:config from Iceweasel to Firefox and I bet they render the same |
| 19:51.50 | ed0n0n | maligor: No. I have done them myself, and are xhtml-css compliant |
| 19:51.53 | hatter243 | martianlobster, does your rsa key have a password on it? |
| 19:52.05 | jpinx | ed0n0n: go to add-ons and add the user_agent_switcher |
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| 19:52.33 | jpinx | your iceweasel can become anything you want it tobe (almost) ;) |
| 19:52.40 | martianlobster | hatter243: what do you mean? |
| 19:52.44 | axz | Guys is Debian 4 not safe for any serving option? i mean do you need to upgrade to Lenny? |
| 19:52.48 | martianlobster | btw, I am using dsa keys mainly |
| 19:53.26 | ed0n0n | jpinx: how do I use it. It is installed already |
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| 19:53.47 | nareshov | axz: good idea to be on the safer side by upgrading to the latest stable... |
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| 19:54.20 | maligor | ed0n0n, well, the difference is the logo graphics and name pretty much |
| 19:54.29 | hatter243 | martianlobster, when you create the keys you receive the option to add a password to it ensuring that the person using the key is the one who made it. Most people choose to leave this option blank thus no password is required but some users decide to add one in there. |
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| 19:54.36 | axz | nareshov, is etch any stable? |
| 19:54.36 | ed0n0n | jpinx: I found out. But there is no Firefox in it. Some fields need to be added |
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| 19:55.17 | scribeskul | QUESTION: I am experiencing problems i never had before on a Lenny install where the software portion of the install is failing right after a 'multiple dictionary' query window pops up telling me there will be multiple dictionaries available...etc. AFter I try and redo the doftware portion of the install, as stated, the installation will freeze up. COuld this maybe be a bad CD? ANy help would be great! |
| 19:55.32 | ed0n0n | jpinx: its more like CSS not loading even images dont appear |
| 19:55.41 | martianlobster | hatter243: the keys do not have passwords |
| 19:55.56 | nareshov | !stable |
| 19:55.56 | dpkg | well, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). |
| 19:56.35 | hatter243 | martianlobster, either 1) the keys have passwords 2) they have a modified ssh_config in their .ssh directory which does not allow key authentication 3) the key they're logging in with does not match the servers |
| 19:56.45 | craigevil | ed0n0n: http://www.geticeweasel.org/useragent/ |
| 19:58.14 | ed0n0n | craigevil: Thank you. Not so evil at the end ;) |
| 19:58.16 | axz | nareshov, whats best way of upgrading true shell? |
| 19:58.18 | martianlobster | hatter243: thanks. I will go search for stray copies of sshd_config. I found a copy just now in ~. |
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| 19:59.02 | hatter243 | martianlobster, if you wipe out their ssh_config or move it to ssh_config.backup it'll use the server's default ssh_config |
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| 19:59.27 | scribeskul | so no one has any clue |
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| 19:59.39 | martianlobster | hatter243: thnkas |
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| 20:00.07 | hatter243 | martianlobster, np |
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| 20:02.37 | sobersabre | is there a command line utility to work on a bdb data via sql ? |
| 20:02.44 | sobersabre | something like sqlite's shell ? |
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| 20:03.48 | scribeskul | guys, having major problems on install, keeps failing at the software portion right after some crap about multiple dictionaries, any help here? |
| 20:03.50 | Quehora | hi folks |
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| 20:04.17 | Quehora | I have a strange problem. When I login to a tty as root, my date gets set as UTC (five hours off). When I login as non-root, it shows up correctly. I don't really want to have to run ntp et. al. all the time, as I'm not always on a network. How should I troubleshoot? |
| 20:04.37 | OpenTokix | Quehora: timezone? |
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| 20:04.56 | wuffi600 | i'm runnig etch. quite all application's sound works well, but there are a few apps that can't handle alsa, e.g. audacity, so i use "aoss audacity" to run the program, but this solution is very unstable. What audio-extension /audio-Server should i install to be compatible to most programm? |
| 20:04.58 | OpenTokix | Quehora: Did you say "Yes, my clock is set to utc" |
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| 20:06.28 | scribeskul | ok, can someone point me to a channel where people can help me then |
| 20:06.34 | gimmal | hi folks, does anyone understand how Debian's /etc/X11/Xsession works? Maybe it's documented clearly in one or another corner of the web ... all I want to know is why it doesn't hand off to the user's ~/.Xsession when it gets run from /etc/xrdb/startwm.sh |
| 20:07.01 | Quehora | OpenTokix, I'm sorry, I don't understand. Did I say that when? |
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| 20:07.26 | Quehora | OpenTokix, I have set my time zone to -5/EDT everywhere I can find. |
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| 20:07.38 | kanzure- | Hello. I was wondering if there's a way to force apt-get to take packages from a particular source from my /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 20:07.48 | OpenTokix | Quehora: during your nstallation |
| 20:07.52 | Quehora | OpenTokix, And, ntp somehow knows to adjust it correctly. |
| 20:07.59 | stew | gimmal: i do. and I can tell you its not documented, anywhere, afaict |
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| 20:08.29 | OpenTokix | Quehora: what is your hw-clock set to? |
| 20:08.30 | Quehora | Quehora, I didn't do an install, just copied the files over |
| 20:08.42 | Quehora | Quehora, The HW clock is set to EDT/-5 zulu |
| 20:08.48 | stew | gimmal: but i have no idea what /etc/xrdb/startwm.sh is. where did it come from? |
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| 20:09.10 | gimmal | stew: xrdb |
| 20:09.15 | gimmal | heh |
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| 20:09.37 | Quehora | OpenTokix, Although, hwclock replies that it can't check that |
| 20:09.49 | stew | gimmal: what do you mean? |
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| 20:09.57 | OpenTokix | Quehora: oki |
| 20:10.01 | OpenTokix | Quehora: xen? |
| 20:10.02 | gimmal | I'd just be happy to know what Xsession is doing... I bet I could take it from there ... must dig in with those Xsession.d |
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| 20:10.38 | Quehora | OpenTokix, I'm sorry... are those the names of programs? |
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| 20:11.04 | OpenTokix | Quehora: no, envermidn |
| 20:11.24 | amphi | heh |
| 20:11.28 | scribeskul | to someone, anyone: Porblems during install, fails after multiple dictionaries query, a little help would be appreciated |
| 20:11.44 | gravity | gimmal: mv ~/.Xsession ~/.xsession |
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| 20:11.48 | Quehora | scribeskul, what fails? |
| 20:11.58 | gimmal | ahah, it must be named ~/.xsession not ~/.Xsession |
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| 20:12.20 | gimmal | all these tricky things of the hacked systems world ... heheh |
| 20:12.31 | Quehora | lol, Gimm |
| 20:12.43 | Macjust | hello i want compile a kernel with xen and amd i have make my config dans make the kernel, but after what must i do ? |
| 20:12.54 | Quehora | Could be worse, could be hacked punchcards |
| 20:13.07 | Quehora | Macjust, boot? |
| 20:13.14 | scribeskul | Quehora: Hi, Thanks! When the install finishes downloading the 700+ odd files and installing I get a query about multiple dictionaries that pops up twice, with two choice manual symlink and American. A few moments after this quesry, i get a message that that portion has failed (Software setup portion, or something similar) |
| 20:13.20 | Quehora | Macjust, Maybe copy modules to an appropriate place? |
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| 20:13.45 | Quehora | scribeskul, any details in the logs? |
| 20:13.51 | gimmal | whee kde full-screen on vista over xrdb, this could get fun |
| 20:14.07 | Macjust | thanks you Quehora |
| 20:14.11 | gravity | gimmal: Actually, we should check for that. Could you file a bug about it to x11-common using reportbug and I'll fix it sometime soon? We used to check for it I think, but don't now. |
| 20:14.12 | Quehora | gimmal, What are you using on the Vista side? |
| 20:14.20 | gravity | gimmal: Just give it a minor severity, if you would |
| 20:14.23 | Quehora | Macjust, Sure, my pleasure. |
| 20:14.29 | heffay | for some reason i cant get the "ondemand" cpu governor to load. everytime i reboot it loads "performance", even when i blacklist "cpufreq_performance /bin/true" in /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist |
| 20:14.49 | Quehora | heffay, Can you insmod it? |
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| 20:15.00 | heffay | insmod? |
| 20:15.08 | Quehora | insmod /fullpath.ko |
| 20:15.19 | Quehora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.33 | scribeskul | quehora: I haven't gotten to any logs, it's right in the install portion of Lenny. It suggests I try again on that portion of the install, and when i do, it starts removing things, then reloading 400 some odd packages AGAIN, and will freeze up in that process at different places. Could this maybe be a defect with the cd? I don't ever remember having these dictionary things pop up and I have been using the same cd as the laptop i |
| 20:16.04 | Quehora | scribeskul, you're not installing /from/ an environment that can get you a terminal? |
| 20:16.13 | Quehora | scribeskul, livecd/squashfs/etc? |
| 20:16.24 | Quehora | scribeskul, altf2/etc? |
| 20:16.35 | scribeskul | Quehora: Oh, yesI can probably get to a terminal |
| 20:16.42 | Quehora | I have a strange problem. When I login to a tty as root, my date gets set as UTC (five hours off). When I login as non-root, it shows up correctly. I don't really want to have to run ntp et. al. all the time, as I'm not always on a network. How should I troubleshoot? |
| 20:16.54 | scribeskul | Quehora; I am installing from CD 1 of the set |
| 20:17.09 | stew | scribeskul: doesn't the CD have a 'verify my own md5sum' option or something? |
| 20:17.14 | stew | iirc they do |
| 20:17.22 | Quehora | agreed, stew |
| 20:17.25 | stew | but i use an install cd like once every few years |
| 20:17.59 | jemark | scribeskul: try the netinstal? |
| 20:18.11 | Quehora | could be something else, though. like out of disk space or something queer |
| 20:18.17 | scribeskul | stew: could a second video card be causing the problems? I recently added a second PCI video card for multiple monitords, and for kicks I decided to reload my system |
| 20:18.25 | scribeskul | stew: netinstall? yeah I'll give that a try! |
| 20:18.40 | heffay | quehora, it used to load perfectly but i changed my .xinitrc to make the system login automatically. is there something i might have overlooked in doing that? |
| 20:18.46 | stew | scribeskul: sounds unlikely, but it could be a hardware problem |
| 20:18.57 | Quehora | heffay, Sorry, I forgot what we were talking about |
| 20:19.00 | stew | scribeskul: there is no reason to believe that the netinstall would work if this one wont |
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| 20:19.08 | hallowname | say i just 'apt-get source package' what's the next 'debian' step in compiling the attained code? |
| 20:19.11 | stew | scribeskul: just verify that your cd is ok |
| 20:19.18 | Quehora | lol... remember when two vga boards was a no-no? |
| 20:19.19 | heffay | the performance cpu governor keeps loading despite being blacklisted |
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| 20:19.34 | Quehora | a line printer was usually preferable to dual-head |
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| 20:20.12 | scribeskul | stew: ok, will do. I guess I'll take it from there. I also downloaded a new ISO just in case its scratched or damaged. I HAVE been using that CD for a bit of time. I just never saw that multiple dictionary thing until recently on installs. Maybe there was some update to the lenny packages? |
| 20:20.20 | Macjust | Quehora : root@ns206032:/boot/linux-2.6.21.7-xen# make bzImage |
| 20:20.20 | Macjust | make: Nothing to be done for `bzImage'. |
| 20:20.31 | jemark | scribeskul: let me know if that works better. and burn the iso on the lowest speed |
| 20:20.35 | Macjust | have you an idea ? |
| 20:20.39 | Quehora | Macjust, That makes sense, since it's already built... |
| 20:21.19 | Quehora | Macjust, how about make modules, jstar /boot/lilogrubetc, shutdown -r now? |
| 20:21.19 | hjb | how can i get informations about an empty dvd at command line? |
| 20:21.19 | scribeskul | jemark: WIll do thanks for the opinions everyone! |
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| 20:21.19 | hjb | growisofs doesn't seem to provide them |
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| 20:21.29 | Quehora | hjb the drive, or the media? |
| 20:21.37 | hjb | Quehora the media |
| 20:21.43 | hjb | Quehora uh, gorgot to mention :) |
| 20:21.48 | hjb | s/g/f |
| 20:21.49 | Quehora | sorry, not sure then |
| 20:21.55 | hjb | :-/ np |
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| 20:22.49 | Macjust | Quehora jstar not exist |
| 20:22.55 | Macjust | :p |
| 20:22.58 | Quehora | pico /bootconfig |
| 20:23.21 | Macjust | is empty :D |
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| 20:23.38 | Quehora | Macjust, replace with the configs for whatever bootloader you use |
| 20:23.48 | Macjust | ok |
| 20:24.26 | Quehora | Macjust, Assuming you already run linux (you didn't crosscompile on your first kernel, I bet :), it should be an easy mod |
| 20:24.35 | Quehora | Macjust, Keep your old entries, though, just in case. |
| 20:24.54 | Quehora | Macjust, grub really shines here, since you can play w/o rebooting |
| 20:25.36 | Quehora | Anyone have any ideas on why my sysclock is getting borked? |
| 20:25.56 | Quehora | it's a new laptop, and I'm wondering if one of the kernel mods I'm unfamiliar with is doing something funny |
| 20:26.03 | Quehora | I can't find anything in any configfs |
| 20:26.05 | Quehora | *configs |
| 20:26.20 | Quehora | no env vars or anything indicating wrong tz |
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| 20:26.56 | Quehora | do most folks get reasonable output from the hwclock command?/ |
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| 20:28.15 | abrotman | Quehora: mine says "bob" |
| 20:28.27 | Quehora | rofl |
| 20:28.40 | Quehora | Yes, that qualifies as reasonable output. |
| 20:28.41 | Quehora | Thanks |
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| 20:30.27 | Quehora | hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=2: No such file or directory. |
| 20:30.27 | Quehora | Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. |
| 20:30.27 | Quehora | hwclock from util-linux-ng 2.14 |
| 20:30.27 | Quehora | No usable clock interface found. |
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| 20:30.41 | Quehora | ouch |
| 20:30.51 | Quehora | three lines! heh |
| 20:31.02 | cahoot | what if you explicitly modprobe rtc? |
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| 20:32.41 | Quehora | mmmm, interesting |
| 20:32.42 | Quehora | I don't seem to have mod rtc |
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| 20:32.49 | cahoot | might be rtc_cmos |
| 20:33.03 | Quehora | Is it perhaps an ahcpi thingy? |
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| 20:34.32 | Quehora | ah-ha! That did the trick, Cahoot. |
| 20:34.35 | Quehora | Thank you, sir! |
| 20:34.49 | Quehora | cahoot, Happy to say it respected the tz, too |
| 20:35.03 | Quehora | GOOD alternative to ntp for me |
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| 20:35.48 | Quehora | cahoot, Still... wondering why the anomaly only shows when logged in as root |
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| 20:36.32 | abrotman | Quehora: uname -a .. says what ? |
| 20:36.40 | alaKXx | Hi, i have a question about VNCServer. Basicly i have it running and i can also access it via VNC client. But it is just Brown screen. How can I run some Xsession there like fluxbox ? Or just a terminal opened when i connect.. |
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| 20:37.20 | Quehora | Linux ns3-rcBu 2.6.28.1c-tom #1 SMP Tue Mar 10 05:32:49 EDT 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:38.02 | Quehora | alaKXx, maybe add something to your .xsession? |
| 20:38.33 | alaKXx | I did. It's /home/user/.xsession right? |
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| 20:38.48 | alaKXx | I have "exec fluxbox" written in there |
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| 20:39.03 | Lord | hi |
| 20:39.06 | Quehora | probably an issue w/ vnc configs, then |
| 20:39.16 | Quehora | hi, Lord |
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| 20:40.20 | Quehora | jstar ~/.vnc/startup? |
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| 20:41.26 | Quehora | dedicated scrollies on laptop touchpads are the coolest thing ever |
| 20:41.31 | ska_ | After my upgrade to Lenny, i have no dvd/hda/cdrom device.. What can I do? |
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| 20:41.54 | cliffbreaker | hi everyone - got a problem with pidgin - it refuses to connect saying I use old version - I don't want to use unstable packages. Is there any workaround? |
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| 20:42.04 | Quehora | ska_, ls /dev/cd* shows nothing? |
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| 20:42.39 | ska_ | Quehora: yea, its empty. |
| 20:42.41 | jpinx | cliffbreaker: what version of debian are you running |
| 20:42.43 | jpinx | ? |
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| 20:42.57 | cliffbreaker | jpinx: lenny 5.0 stable |
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| 20:43.02 | ShadowJK | the man page says ~/.vnc/xstartup |
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| 20:43.18 | jpinx | cliffbreaker: strange - so am I and pidgin "just works" |
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| 20:43.40 | cliffbreaker | jpinx: what protocol do u use? |
| 20:43.40 | Quehora | ska_, any new hd entries in /dev? Some interfaces report as hdds |
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| 20:44.02 | cliffbreaker | jpinx: for messaging i mean |
| 20:44.12 | jpinx | cliffbreaker: I didn't touch anything- so it's on defaults |
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| 20:44.48 | \amethyst | jpinx: what kind of account? ICQ, AOL, MSN, ... |
| 20:44.52 | ska_ | Quehora: nothing.. udev has changed it all. Before it was static. |
| 20:44.52 | cliffbreaker | i understood - i asked through what u communicate - Jabber MSN or anything else, |
| 20:45.06 | danilocesar | Guys, there is a way to use icecream with apt-src build <package>? |
| 20:45.07 | jpinx | Yahoo, MSN, IRC |
| 20:45.23 | jpinx | cliffbreaker: let me try ICQ - I rarely use that |
| 20:45.24 | cliffbreaker | ok, my problem is with icq |
| 20:45.26 | ska_ | Should I use MAKEDEV ? |
| 20:45.39 | cliffbreaker | jpinx: ok, try it please |
| 20:45.45 | jpinx | cliffbreaker: yep - ICQ is broken |
| 20:45.58 | cliffbreaker | jpinx: sad |
| 20:46.05 | jpinx | cliffbreaker: you can get it from squeeze maybe? |
| 20:46.06 | Quehora | ska_, you don't have /dev/hd* entries or anything? |
| 20:46.41 | cliffbreaker | jpinx: later versions of pidgin work with icq but i don't want to mix stable and unstable packages |
| 20:46.46 | jpinx | cliffbreaker: check what version comes with squeeze and see if it's backported |
| 20:47.06 | ska_ | Quehora: nothhing |
| 20:47.13 | ska_ | Quehora: Not even /dev/h* |
| 20:47.21 | cliffbreaker | jpinx: what is squeeze? a codename for future release? |
| 20:47.25 | jpinx | cliffbreaker: testing packages in stable are ok if they are done through a responsible medium like backports |
| 20:47.26 | ska_ | Quehora: maybe my kernel is brtoken.. |
| 20:47.33 | Quehora | ska_, /dev/sd* entries that don't match your hds? |
| 20:47.39 | jpinx | cliffbreaker: squeeze is testing |
| 20:47.40 | ska_ | Quehora: i used a custom kernel, and forgot udev support. |
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| 20:47.47 | cliffbreaker | jpinx: ok |
| 20:47.49 | ska_ | Quehora: i have all scsi disk. |
| 20:48.02 | jnewt | aptitude install bridge-utils |
| 20:48.20 | jnewt | couldn't find package? |
| 20:48.23 | Quehora | ska_, can check .config for kernel opts. Maybe you did in fact forget something |
| 20:48.24 | cliffbreaker | jpinx: just found 1 more option - a program named licq - works well but a bit ugly |
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| 20:48.42 | alaKXx | haha found what was wrong |
| 20:48.47 | Quehora | oh? |
| 20:48.49 | alaKXx | .xstartup didnt have permissions :d |
| 20:49.18 | jpinx | cliffbreaker: I was going to suggest that ther will be other packages, but I sympathise with your liking of pidgin for an "all-in-one" application |
| 20:49.25 | Quehora | lol |
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| 20:49.45 | Quehora | trillian in wine? |
| 20:50.01 | jnewt | is bridge-utils the correct package for debian for bridging nics? |
| 20:50.04 | ska_ | Quehora: what options are needed to get Udev to work? |
| 20:50.05 | cliffbreaker | jpinx: and overall lenny is much more suitable for desktop than etch |
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| 20:50.18 | tetraedr | hi |
| 20:50.27 | tetraedr | is there any way to make dhclient don't set default gw and don't touch resolv.conf? |
| 20:51.06 | jpinx | cliffbreaker: agreed. I am looking at "ackporting" some more recent versions of applications to get stuf working better |
| 20:51.21 | Quehora | ska_ honestly, I don't know if it can run as a mod. |
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| 20:51.37 | jpinx | cliffbreaker: I've done it with wicd and wine successfully - and I am a total numpty on linux. |
| 20:51.51 | Quehora | tetraedr, What goal are you trying to reach? |
| 20:51.54 | jpinx | cliffbreaker: if I can do it - anyone can;) |
| 20:51.54 | cliffbreaker | jpinx: the only thing that makes me sad is that my webcam doesn't work |
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| 20:52.12 | Quehora | lol @ numpty |
| 20:52.35 | jpinx | cliff - yea - pidgin/gaim never got that to work |
| 20:52.38 | Quehora | but it makes those you chat w/ happy! |
| 20:53.17 | abrotman | jnewt: yes, it has the bridging programs you'll need |
| 20:53.32 | abrotman | tetraedr: yes, man dhclient.conf |
| 20:53.36 | jpinx | cliffbreaker: depending on your requirements your options are gyachi for Yahoo, aMSN fro msn messenger and maybe vbox with windows versions of applications |
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| 20:53.53 | abrotman | tetraedr: or make your dhcp server not give out that info ? |
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| 20:54.11 | jpinx | cliffbreaker: I have tried wine with yahoo, but it just didn't work |
| 20:54.22 | my007ms | any one can install vmware-server in lenny ? |
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| 20:54.57 | tetraedr | dhcpd is ok, I need to make dhclient don't touch resolv.conf and don't set default route, because I've got 2 uplinks and both are dhcp, the global target: load balancing over 2 channels |
| 20:54.57 | Quehora | How does vmware/open-vm compare to vbox? |
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| 20:55.15 | Quehora | I'm going to set one up soon, but haven't played w/ vmware for ages and never vbox |
| 20:55.34 | jnewt | why can't apt get the bridge-utils, it is on the packages.debian.org site |
| 20:55.37 | jpinx | Quehora: theres a channel for vbox on debian |
| 20:55.45 | Quehora | tetraedr, is dhcp even manditory |
| 20:55.49 | abrotman | jnewt: what is the reason it gives? |
| 20:55.58 | Quehora | jpinx, Just looking for global overview |
| 20:55.59 | jnewt | package not found |
| 20:56.02 | Quehora | not specific help |
| 20:56.10 | abrotman | jnewt: look at your sources.list or pastebin them for us to look at |
| 20:56.18 | tetraedr | Quehora, both providers are requiring dhcp set up :( |
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| 20:57.01 | jnewt | i am looking right now, showing that all of the lines are commented out by the installer b/c they failed to verify |
| 20:57.05 | my007ms | can i have VBox and vmware-server in the same machine ? |
| 20:57.11 | lxsameer | can i use a rsync address into my sources.list? |
| 20:57.11 | abrotman | !override dns |
| 20:57.11 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your dhcp server, echo "supercede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. |
| 20:57.19 | my007ms | i face problem install vmware-server |
| 20:57.25 | Quehora | tetraedr, What software are you using to manage the load balancing? |
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| 20:57.48 | jnewt | ie http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main |
| 20:57.49 | Quehora | tetraedr, or are you just trying to manually deliniate usage between protocols/applications/connections |
| 20:58.01 | abrotman | jnewt: i hope oyu have more than that |
| 20:58.02 | Quehora | *delineate |
| 20:58.08 | tetraedr | Quehora, for now - none, but will use lartc (ip, tc and etc.) |
| 20:58.12 | Linuturk | how do I delete the command history in bash? |
| 20:58.19 | abrotman | !tell tetraedr about override dns |
| 20:58.21 | Linuturk | I accidentially typed my password |
| 20:58.26 | Linuturk | in bash |
| 20:58.30 | Linuturk | and I don't want to chance it |
| 20:58.38 | Valx | if i can i can access the files on apatche using its ip in the browser , does that mean bind is working ? |
| 20:58.40 | Lord | hello, I've got a problem with apt-get. Whatever I try to install, I got an error with dependencies about mysql-server-5.0. It tolds me to do a apt-get -f install, but I got an error ( http://pastebin.com/d15195655 ). I don't know what to do now. |
| 20:58.46 | Valx | or does that have nothing to do with binf ? |
| 20:58.50 | Valx | bind* |
| 20:58.54 | tetraedr | abrotman, thank you |
| 20:58.56 | OpenTokix | Linuturk: delete .bash_history, logout, delete again |
| 20:59.18 | jnewt | yeah, there are about 4-6 lines |
| 20:59.19 | Quehora | tetraedr, my advice, then, is to wait to worry about that until you setup your lart |
| 20:59.27 | Quehora | tetraedr, let it handle the routing |
| 20:59.38 | Linuturk | OpenTokix: ok, thanks! I had already done so once, but I got lost when it still showed up |
| 20:59.40 | Quehora | tetraedr, instead of dhcp's default gate |
| 20:59.48 | \amethyst | Linuturk: history -c -w |
| 21:00.00 | tetraedr | Quehora, for now I want to simply disable this. I've disabled dns, all left is default gw |
| 21:00.26 | \amethyst | Linuturk: depending on your bash settings, logging out probably writes the current history list to the file |
| 21:00.30 | jnewt | abrotman: how many should there be? |
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| 21:00.38 | Valx | if i can access apatche over ip , does that mean the nameserver running local is working correcly ? |
| 21:00.41 | abrotman | tetraedr: i'd guess you can use the same idea for gw |
| 21:00.48 | abrotman | jnewt: put them in a pastebin |
| 21:00.49 | Quehora | tetraedr, why? just set a new route for the device and don't sweat it? |
| 21:00.54 | tetraedr | abrotman, the problem is that I need it empty |
| 21:00.56 | Valx | or does that have nothing to do with apatche being accessable over ip ? |
| 21:01.04 | Valx | accessible* |
| 21:01.11 | abrotman | lord: you probably want to aptitude update first |
| 21:01.17 | abrotman | tetraedr: set it blank ? |
| 21:01.30 | Linuturk | \amethyst: so, what do -c and -w do? |
| 21:01.37 | tetraedr | abrotman, 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 21:01.43 | Quehora | ABrotman, I'm assuming the dhcp runs on his provider's machine |
| 21:01.43 | tetraedr | abrotman, or how ? |
| 21:01.51 | \amethyst | Linuturk: -c clears the current shell's history, and -w writes the history to the file |
| 21:01.59 | abrotman | tetraedr: or use a post-up command to remove the route |
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| 21:02.05 | Lord | abrotman > i'be already try aptitude update |
| 21:02.14 | Linuturk | \amethyst: where is that file writing to? .bash_history? |
| 21:02.14 | tetraedr | abrotman, that'll be a dirty hack :) |
| 21:02.15 | Lord | but I still have this problem |
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| 21:02.37 | \amethyst | Linuturk: oh, sorry... it should be two commands history -c; history -w |
| 21:02.38 | tetraedr | is going to fallout |
| 21:02.55 | tetraedr | got it ready, we'll see whats going to be next |
| 21:02.59 | \amethyst | Linuturk: yes, ~/.bash_history |
| 21:03.03 | Quehora | tetraedr, I don't understand still, though |
| 21:03.05 | Linuturk | ah, ok, thanks :) |
| 21:03.10 | \amethyst | Linuturk: (by default) |
| 21:03.22 | jnewt | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d7409736b |
| 21:03.26 | Quehora | you're still going to overwrite the default w/ multipath |
| 21:03.30 | \amethyst | you can change it by setting HISTFILE |
| 21:04.15 | abrotman | jnewt: uhm .. the ones with # are commented out |
| 21:04.25 | abrotman | jnewt: and you're missing a main source anyways |
| 21:05.10 | jnewt | yeah, don't know why, but when i change the file, it says i can't save it. |
| 21:05.18 | jnewt | what is the main one i am missing? |
| 21:05.40 | \amethyst | jnewt: you have to edit the file as root (or use something like sudoedit) |
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| 21:08.52 | Lord | nobody can help me ? |
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| 21:09.29 | dustybin | \amethyst: have you passed any official IT exams? like the A+ / NETWORK+ etc? |
| 21:09.39 | \amethyst | dustybin: nope |
| 21:09.48 | \amethyst | dustybin: no plans to take them, either |
| 21:09.51 | dustybin | haha thats what i thought :P |
| 21:10.00 | themill | dpkg: tell Lord about bat |
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| 21:10.37 | \amethyst | dustybin: I passed my qualifying exam to become a doctoral candidate a few years ago |
| 21:10.41 | \amethyst | dustybin: does that count? :) |
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| 21:10.57 | dustybin | haha no |
| 21:11.03 | Quehora | um |
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| 21:12.38 | abrotman | Lord: i told you |
| 21:14.03 | Lord | abrotman > i did aptitude update apt-get update and still have this problem. Here a pastebin : http://paste.debian.net/30452/ |
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| 21:14.36 | abrotman | lord: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 21:15.30 | gandy909 | hi |
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| 21:16.13 | themill | Lord: what packages from experimental have you been messing with? |
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| 21:20.07 | Lord | themill > i didn't touch to experimental packages |
| 21:20.23 | Lord | abrotman > my sources.list is in the pastebin |
| 21:20.24 | FinnTux | so is there an "official" fix for pidgin/icq problem? |
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| 21:21.01 | abrotman | no, that's your policy .. also include apt-cache policy mysql-server mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 21:21.22 | hallowname | i accidentally installed some package that pauses all flash objects in iceweasel, and now i have to start them by hand. and some dont even start. what gives? bug pointer peez? |
| 21:21.23 | dustybin | so much for lenny stability :( |
| 21:21.25 | dustybin | [2347684.509446] mythbackend[3714]: segfault at d3dea808 ip b5abbe93 sp a1293814 error 5 in libc-2.7.so[b5a4d000+155000] |
| 21:21.46 | themill | Lord: so where is mysql-server 5.1 from? |
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| 21:21.57 | xpolska_boyx_ | hey all |
| 21:22.00 | xpolska_boyx_ | hab ma ne frage |
| 21:22.08 | stack | why this error? http://rafb.net/p/AdlEyr65.html I gave debuild binary inside the source downloaded with apt-get source xournal |
| 21:22.11 | azeem | !de |
| 21:22.11 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
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| 21:23.02 | Lord | apt-cache policy mysql-server mysql-server-5.0 : http://paste.debian.net/30453/ |
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| 21:23.04 | themill | abrotman: btw apt-cache policy is often more useful than /etc/apt/sources.list these days, with /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ around.... |
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| 21:23.43 | stack | anyone plz? |
| 21:23.44 | magyar_ | hi trying to ssh in to a server using pam and winbind but can't get a bash shell prompt. Here are details from my /var/log/authlog file http://pastebin.ca/1359334 |
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| 21:24.25 | Lord | themill > I don't know ... i'm quite a noob |
| 21:26.02 | Valx | if /etc/named.conf is a black file or doesnt exist , does that mean there are no namservers running on the server ? |
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| 21:28.04 | Lord | here is my complete sources.list : http://paste.debian.net/30455/ |
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| 21:28.15 | jpinx | Lord: you might want to use aptitude as it seems to look after dependencies better |
| 21:28.46 | jpinx | lord - you are running squeeze? |
| 21:28.47 | azeem | Lord: what does "dpkg -l | grep mysql" say? |
| 21:29.08 | Lord | yes i'm on squeeze |
| 21:29.20 | azeem | squeeze isn't very stable right now |
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| 21:29.44 | jpinx | Lord: as a noob - you should be on lenny |
| 21:29.48 | Lord | http://paste.debian.net/30456/ |
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| 21:30.04 | jpinx | Lord: squeeze is not for noob's ;) |
| 21:30.16 | abrotman | judd: versions mysql-server-5.0 |
| 21:30.17 | judd | abrotman: mysql-server-5.0 -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch6 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-23~bpo40+1 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 squeeze: 5.0.51a-24 sid: 5.0.77-1 |
| 21:30.18 | abrotman | judd: versions mysql-server |
| 21:30.19 | judd | abrotman: mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch6 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24~bpo40+1 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 squeeze: 5.0.51a-24 sid: 5.0.67-1 sid: 5.0.75-1 sid: 5.0.77-1 experimental: 5.1.31-2 experimental: 5.1.32-1 |
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| 21:30.48 | azeem | judd: versions libmysqlclient15off |
| 21:30.48 | judd | azeem: libmysqlclient15off -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch6 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-23~bpo40+1 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 squeeze: 5.0.51a-24 sid: 5.0.77-1 |
| 21:30.57 | azeem | Lord: you got libmysqlclient15off from unstable |
| 21:31.47 | Lord | squeeze == unstable isn't it ? |
| 21:31.56 | OpenTokix | Lord: testing |
| 21:32.09 | Lord | hoo yes |
| 21:32.17 | Lord | squeeze == testing sid == unstable |
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| 21:32.35 | Lord | so how to fix this ? |
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| 21:32.59 | azeem | Lord: well, the question is *why* do you have libmysqlclient15off from unstable |
| 21:33.32 | Lord | someone used my computer so he probably did this |
| 21:33.51 | batcoder-7 | still stunned how much better xaa is then exa for my card |
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| 21:34.42 | azeem | Lord: ask them |
| 21:34.48 | jpinx | Lord: I see references to experimental in your sources list, albeit commented out, so I suppose someone has been "fiddling" |
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| 21:35.23 | Lord | if i apt-get remove libmysqlclent15off , i'll be able to fix my problem ? |
| 21:35.31 | stack | I get this error when giving debuild binary..any suggestion? http://rafb.net/p/UXfeqJ74.html |
| 21:35.52 | azeem | stack: that's not the error |
| 21:36.14 | jpinx | Lord: you can try - but I strongly suggest you do complet backups before you start doing anything |
| 21:36.46 | jpinx | Lord: you seem to have a real mixture in there - non-trivial to sort out |
| 21:36.57 | stack | azeem: I thought that it was http://rafb.net/p/N3nJdv18.html |
| 21:36.58 | Lord | yes |
| 21:37.07 | stack | erhm |
| 21:37.09 | Lord | i installed lenny when it was released as stable |
| 21:37.18 | Lord | then i upgrade to squeeze |
| 21:37.18 | stack | sorry now I sw a small tink that I was modifyng |
| 21:37.30 | stack | not relevant with the build error |
| 21:37.34 | jpinx | Lord: your "friend" has hosed your computer ;) |
| 21:37.41 | azeem | stack: 12 xo-file.c:96: error: *pageno* undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 21:37.45 | azeem | that's the error |
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| 21:38.36 | jpinx | Lord: do a full backup and start a fresh install - that's what I'd do. |
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| 21:39.27 | stack | argh my fault, I was in the middle of a modify and wanted not noticed that |
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| 21:39.42 | stack | sorry, not know how I didn't noticed it |
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| 21:42.14 | bbelt16ag1 | hey whats a good backup tool for linux ?? |
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| 21:42.28 | azeem | bbelt16ag1: depends on your requirements |
| 21:42.31 | bbelt16ag1 | i am using dar scripts at the momemnt and this seems to do fine unless a file is being used.. |
| 21:42.33 | jpinx | bbelt16ag1: rsync |
| 21:43.00 | bbelt16ag | i would like one i could run on files that are being used for like the OS |
| 21:43.06 | bbelt16ag | rsync? |
| 21:43.38 | Quibus | any dbus experts here? |
| 21:43.48 | foetus | i have an error on compiling debian packages -- parsechangelog/debian: error: badly formatted trailer line, at file debian/changelog line 5 -- here is the line: "debian <debian@`uname -n`> $DAY, $DATE $MONTH $YEAR $TIME +0100" |
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| 21:44.16 | azeem | foetus: looks pretty badly formatted no? |
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| 21:44.57 | foetus | azeem: what? |
| 21:45.06 | t3rra | hi guys in very new in linux which one is better for my fedora o debian |
| 21:45.33 | valdyn | !start a distro war |
| 21:45.33 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 21:45.39 | valdyn | !start a distro war |
| 21:45.55 | azeem | foetus: do you think that line is legit? |
| 21:46.43 | foetus | azeem: these are placeholders -- what could be the problem? they are inserted right.. |
| 21:46.48 | t3rra | guys i hsve problem with my xorg.conf |
| 21:46.59 | azeem | foetus: who inserts them |
| 21:47.02 | t3rra | can some buddy help me please |
| 21:47.16 | foetus | azeem: I :) |
| 21:47.21 | azeem | t3rra: just try both and stick with the one you like |
| 21:47.52 | azeem | foetus: well, then replace the placeholders with real data before you run whatever you ran that barfed |
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| 21:49.43 | t3rra | azzem, i like both but i cant no config xorg is impossible |
| 21:50.05 | azeem | t3rra: so describe your xorg issues, don't ask such broad questions |
| 21:50.57 | ringo999 | how can i mount a hfsplus external harddrive as writable? ive turned of journaling, and tried to to mount with: mount -t hfsplus -o uid="mylinuxuserid",gid="mylinuxgroupid" ... but no success :-( |
| 21:51.05 | t3rra | after install nvidia driver xorg.conf dont work |
| 21:51.15 | foetus | azeem: but this is a known problem. you can read this all over the world, but i don't wonna blame you. Who in hell makes such grap? |
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| 21:51.35 | azeem | foetus: hrm? |
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| 21:51.42 | azeem | what is a known problem? |
| 21:51.52 | t3rra | azzem, i need configure xorg.conf for my desktop but i cant |
| 21:52.05 | azeem | t3rra: what's the error message? |
| 21:52.10 | jberg | i don't have manpages for malloc, ptrace, sbrk etc.. which package are they supposed to come in? 5.0 lenny |
| 21:52.38 | Lord | apparently i'll could remove libmysqlclient15off by removing kde4 and some other stuff ... i'll do it this week end |
| 21:52.42 | azeem | jberg: packages.debian.org has a search feature |
| 21:52.43 | foetus | azeem: are spaces spaces or tabs or ghosts? |
| 21:52.43 | t3rra | i dont remenber you know what is the command to check it |
| 21:52.47 | Lord | thank you very much everybody ;-) |
| 21:52.51 | azeem | foetus: are you trolling? |
| 21:53.05 | azeem | Lord: makes sense, yeah |
| 21:53.07 | valdyn | jberg: manpages-dev |
| 21:53.07 | foetus | azeem: surely not. |
| 21:53.15 | azeem | foetus: so please ask coherent questions |
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| 21:54.09 | misfitx7 | I just cloned my boot/main os drive to another disk with dd, grub is now giving me error 21, the new drive is primary master just as the old one how can i repair this |
| 21:54.49 | foetus | azeem: i be frustrated over that. but anyway, whats the problem with the "magic" line 5 ? |
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| 21:55.13 | azeem | foetus: did you come up with that magic line yourself? |
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| 21:55.17 | Lord | misfitx7 > i'm not a debian master but i think you should do a grub-install |
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| 21:56.36 | misfitx7 | thats what i thought, i have tried that using a debian live disk, im probably doing it wrong |
| 21:56.51 | foetus | azeem: no, but i need a solution..my shellscript depends on it, you know.. |
| 21:57.03 | azeem | which shellscriptß |
| 21:57.04 | azeem | ? |
| 21:57.22 | foetus | azeem: i changed spaces, tabs, i have cat the original -- nothing helps.. |
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| 21:57.42 | azeem | foetus: why don't you use dch? |
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| 21:59.11 | Lord | misfitx7 > i think you should boot on a live cd then chroot to your real debian and then do the grub-install |
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| 22:00.23 | zssakr | Is this library file libldap-2.4-2 part of libldap_r.so |
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| 22:00.50 | misfitx7 | Lord ill keep trying at it, its good to know im on the right path anyway |
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| 22:01.06 | Lord | misfitx7 > i'm not sure at all ... |
| 22:01.21 | Lord | you should wait for someone better than me to help you |
| 22:01.29 | misfitx7 | lord, I understand |
| 22:01.30 | Lord | i'm a linux beginner ^^ |
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| 22:02.23 | foetus | azeem: is it really not possible, to write these 5 lines with placeholders? |
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| 22:02.36 | misfitx7 | well then ill let you know how i make out so you can add another notch to your belt |
| 22:02.40 | zssakr | anyone? |
| 22:02.51 | misfitx7 | or not |
| 22:03.03 | azeem | foetus: apparently not, or else you wouldn't get the errors |
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| 22:03.21 | foetus | azeem: cheers. |
| 22:03.23 | azeem | foetus: you can try reading the dpkg-parsechangelog code to see what actually checks for |
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| 22:05.45 | ringo999 | what is a good way to move larger files in a local network, not scp/ssh, do i need a fileserver? |
| 22:06.16 | nareshov | rsync is good |
| 22:06.29 | Lord | ftp is good to |
| 22:06.30 | Lord | o |
| 22:06.41 | nareshov | screen + rsync |
| 22:06.55 | ringo999 | but doesnt rsync go via ssh? |
| 22:07.21 | ringo999 | what about samba/nfs? |
| 22:07.21 | redeeman | it CAN use ssh |
| 22:07.57 | ringo999 | well, i dont think i need secure transfer |
| 22:08.09 | amphi | !tell Lord -about ftp must die |
| 22:08.12 | amphi | ;) |
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| 22:11.42 | batcoder-7 | what is a good program to make a flyer in? |
| 22:12.10 | amphi | inkscape? |
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| 22:12.30 | batcoder-7 | how about scribus? |
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| 22:13.12 | Lord | interesting amphi :-) |
| 22:13.23 | amphi | heh |
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| 22:13.34 | amphi | batcoder-7: that too |
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| 22:13.45 | batcoder-7 | what would be better? |
| 22:14.11 | hallowname | how can i mapp kmix's shortcuts to my xf86 keys (laptop specific keys), i have hotkey installed, but cant find any good references on the matter... |
| 22:14.16 | pablo | hi, someone knows why pidgin and dia requiere gconf if it is not needed? |
| 22:14.34 | hallowname | pablo: both store info with gconf maybe? |
| 22:14.37 | azeem | pablo: why do you think it's not needed? |
| 22:14.52 | abrotman | batcoder-7: scribus yes .. there's also one in OO.org |
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| 22:15.13 | batcoder-7 | abrotman, i see |
| 22:15.23 | getBoa | Hi fellas... whats the most significant diff between debian lenny and Sidux ? |
| 22:15.31 | batcoder-7 | scribus has loads of dependcies |
| 22:15.34 | hallowname | batcoder-7: oodraw doesn't work for you? i do a lot of flyers in it... |
| 22:15.40 | pablo | azeem: because neither of them really need it. |
| 22:15.52 | batcoder-7 | never once used OO draw |
| 22:15.57 | pablo | hallowname: they doesnt |
| 22:15.58 | batcoder-7 | did not even know it existed |
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| 22:16.41 | sylarrr | did something in the place of the fonts changed in debian 5? |
| 22:16.48 | batcoder-7 | i dont liked openoffice reliance on java |
| 22:16.59 | sylarrr | because I have upgraded, and the fonts seem different and smaller now |
| 22:17.00 | hallowname | pablo: both do need it. they store userspecific info with it. why? its tiny. is it bothering you?? or do you mean it compiles optionally, but is mandantory in the .deb? |
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| 22:17.22 | hallowname | batcoder-7: yes, but it is handy every now and then :) i do all serious graphics in gimp tho... |
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| 22:17.30 | hallowname | batcoder-7: working at a tattoo parlor too :D |
| 22:17.42 | rabideejit | my machine is behaving very strangely! I've a port open and I can't find which process is running it in - using netstat -telnup |
| 22:17.56 | batcoder-7 | hallowname, gimp is good yea but interpolation sucks suppose to be fixed in next release |
| 22:17.58 | pablo | hallowname: it doesnt compiles optionally. it is not a compilatios dep (not even a flag). and yes it bothers me |
| 22:17.59 | hallowname | batcoder-7: oo goes -much- faster with the jre turned off... |
| 22:18.23 | batcoder-7 | hallowname, just need to make flyer and not sure what tool i should learn/use for that |
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| 22:18.29 | hallowname | pablo: oh... find the pkg maintainers then |
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| 22:18.56 | rabideejit | and apt-get says Killed and dies for no apparant reason.... |
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| 22:19.02 | hallowname | batcoder-7: not sure what kind of fanciness your doing to a flyer, but if gimp and oodraw cant do it... i dont wanna ;) |
| 22:19.09 | pablo | hallowname: i was reading this old bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=406591 |
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| 22:19.37 | batcoder-7 | hallowname, i dont think a flyer would be best in gimp i was thinking scribus |
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| 22:20.38 | maher | i'm trying to upgrade exim4 from etch to lenny, i have an unsplit configuration with changes in exim4.conf.template, and exim4-config wants to change it, but it will throw away my virtual user settings - how do i let exim4-config make the changes that are needed preserving the info i've added? |
| 22:20.41 | scribeskul | stew: All the problems I had all day were caused to a faulty CD. Go figure. Once I used a newly burnt CD, everything worked fine. |
| 22:21.04 | batcoder-7 | I guess i will install openoffice won't hurt |
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| 22:21.16 | batcoder-7 | are they going to make openoffice require java some day? |
| 22:21.29 | batcoder-7 | seems like many parts of it already do |
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| 22:21.45 | rabideejit | Where are the data files for apt-get? perhaps if I delete them it won't die. |
| 22:21.48 | jpinx | maher - you *did* backup your stuff before starting the upgrade? |
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| 22:22.25 | maher | jpinx: i'm doing this in a virtual machine copy of my actual server - obviously i haven't done anything to the actual server yet |
| 22:22.28 | jpinx | maher: in which case continue the upgrade and re-insert the configurations as needed |
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| 22:24.01 | maher | jpinx: this seems to be a recipe for downtime on my email - would i be better off with a split config? |
| 22:25.12 | rabideejit | Hmm. Most of my debian problems seem to be caused by a lack of memory on both my part and the part of the machine. |
| 22:25.32 | jpinx | maher if you are doing it on a virtual machine copy of the server - you will have inserted the relevant configs and only have to copy the files to the actual server |
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| 22:27.20 | maher | jpinx: right - but its going to be easier for me to deal with a bunch of small changes to many files rather than a larger nuch of changes to one file... |
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| 22:30.57 | cuba | hey, I've got an issue with partitions, I removed one primary partition (3,6GB) and added a new one instead (80GB) .... I did it by fdisk in single-user mode....and after couple of restarts, df and other disk utilities still shows data like there was the past partition |
| 22:31.28 | cuba | really don't know what happened |
| 22:31.43 | pipeline | cuba: you didn't delete the data |
| 22:32.00 | cuba | the partition was empty |
| 22:32.05 | pipeline | cuba: if the new partition starts in the same place as the old one, and is longer than the old one, then the filesystem is still valid |
| 22:32.15 | jpinx | cuba: the data was not empty when you repartitioned |
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| 22:32.42 | jpinx | s/old partition/data |
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| 22:33.13 | cuba | what does it mean ? |
| 22:33.30 | cuba | it reports the same number of sectors as the original one had |
| 22:33.39 | jpinx | cuba: if you want a clean partition, do mkfs |
| 22:33.52 | pipeline | cuba: because the filesystem has not been extended |
| 22:34.06 | pipeline | cuba: if your filesystem is 4G, and the partition is 25G, it doesn't matter |
| 22:34.06 | jpinx | cuba: or you didn't write the new partition table in fdisk |
| 22:34.18 | pipeline | cuba: the size of the partition isn't important as long as it's bigger than the filesystem |
| 22:34.34 | pipeline | cuba: you can use ext2online or resiez2fs to make the filesystem larger to fill the rest of the newly-extended partition |
| 22:35.18 | zibri | wtfs up with l.d.o? |
| 22:36.06 | cuba | I had 80GB of free space, I deleted primary sd4 partition, "w", then created new one (80GB), beginning as the original began but up to the end of harddrive, and "w" ... |
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| 22:37.26 | cuba | ou, I think I got the point |
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| 22:39.31 | mmlj4 | does anyone backport to or otherwise maintain orphaned releases? sarge, for instance? |
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| 22:40.37 | valdyn | mmlj4: no |
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| 22:44.53 | cuba | pipeline, and is it safe to "mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda4" from 3,4,5 run levels ? |
| 22:45.53 | alaKXx | wine is a broken package in debian 5.0? |
| 22:45.59 | alaKXx | 4.0 * |
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| 22:56.43 | Smerdyakov | I seem to have screwed up my X config. Now, whenever X starts, my kernel seems to hang. How can I stop gdm from starting on boot-up? I haven't been able to figure out how to get to a shell so far. |
| 22:56.51 | cuba | pipeline, so I unmount the partition, then "mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda4" ? |
| 22:58.11 | [C]Hris | so i can jsut download the single Debian dvd 1.iso and it will work |
| 22:58.41 | cuba | Smerdyakov, you need to change Default runlevel in /etc/inittab |
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| 22:59.33 | cuba | Smerdyakov, like this id:3:initdefault: it will boot to 3rd run level which is not X |
| 22:59.36 | Smerdyakov | cuba, how can I do that, if I can't get to any stage where any input is accepted from me? |
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| 22:59.56 | cuba | Smerdyakov, do you use lilo ? |
| 23:00.00 | Smerdyakov | cuba, grub |
| 23:00.00 | valdyn | cuba: nonsense |
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| 23:00.39 | alatz | what is the name of the package for thunderbird? |
| 23:00.59 | nareshov | alatz: icedove? |
| 23:01.14 | alatz | nareshov: sure |
| 23:01.22 | alatz | nareshov: couldnt find it! |
| 23:01.24 | valdyn | Smerdyakov: boot into rescue mode |
| 23:01.46 | valdyn | Smerdyakov: should have that option in grub |
| 23:02.01 | cuba | Smerdyakov, I don't know, I'm using lilo and then I type : linux 1 to get to single-user mode...I don't know how it is in grub |
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| 23:02.37 | Smerdyakov | valdyn, my rescue mode has a different root password from normal, and I don't remember ever being told it. :( |
| 23:02.39 | cuba | Smerdyakov, easy to google it |
| 23:02.48 | Smerdyakov | cuba, I will try that. Thanks. |
| 23:02.53 | valdyn | Smerdyakov: no it does not have a different root password |
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| 23:03.19 | Smerdyakov | valdyn, it's a separate kernel in Grub. It says "Rescue" and definitely has a different root password. |
| 23:03.35 | valdyn | Smerdyakov: different kernels dont make the password different |
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| 23:04.02 | Smerdyakov | valdyn, I know, but I'm 100% sure that what I'm saying is true. |
| 23:04.07 | valdyn | Smerdyakov: you have a funny install there if theres 2 seperate different /etc/shadow files depending on how you boot |
| 23:04.12 | lizor | Smerdyakov: try appending init=/bin/bash |
| 23:04.15 | Smerdyakov | valdyn, I think it's a different partition. |
| 23:04.31 | lizor | Smerdyakov: that may help you |
| 23:04.37 | Smerdyakov | lizor, to what? |
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| 23:05.33 | valdyn | Smerdyakov: in lenny by default its Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-686 (single-user mode) |
| 23:06.03 | cuba | guys if I want to use mke2fs or mkfs, does the partition need to be unmounted before ? |
| 23:06.36 | valdyn | cuba: no, but you should understand the implications |
| 23:07.12 | valdyn | cuba: ( just have it unmounted, everything else is silly ) |
| 23:08.18 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:08.42 | Smerdyakov | lizor's suggestion helped me, with the original kernel, just appending "single" to the kernel command. Now I bet I can change xorg.conf. Thanks everyone! |
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| 23:10.14 | sylarrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.31 | valdyn | sylarrr: are you signing the mails by default? |
| 23:11.00 | valdyn | sylarrr: or try sending a mail to yourself, see if its signed |
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| 23:11.13 | sylarrr | valdyn, it insn't signed |
| 23:11.20 | valdyn | sylarrr: could be that it asks you to unlock the saved smtp server password |
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| 23:12.08 | sylarrr | valdyn, yes , but the password was not locked, and I have never had a keyring before |
| 23:12.25 | chuck | by default, home directory permissions allow anyone to look in them in debian |
| 23:12.45 | chuck | is there any way to modify apache and debian so that it's more secure while still making apache work? because it breaks when the directory is chmodded to 700 |
| 23:13.16 | sylarrr | it say that evolution is trying to access the default keyring but it is locked, and then I close it with the X, and the email get sent fine |
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| 23:13.31 | Smerdyakov | chuck, put Apache's user in your user's group and set g+r? |
| 23:13.33 | valdyn | sylarrr: either way it should be configurable how often you are prompted at "seahorse-preferences" |
| 23:14.02 | initq | my cuckoo does not come out the door anymore |
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| 23:14.23 | stew | initq: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 23:14.50 | chuck | Smerdyakov: i meant something more along the lines of an actual solution |
| 23:14.54 | chuck | all of our users are in the users group |
| 23:15.06 | varney | hi, i managed to get etch installed on my dell e521, but there seems to be a lot of disk activity (the hd activity led has a continuous 'glow') + there's also a longer than normal delay when clicking on things and them becoming 'active' |
| 23:15.20 | Smerdyakov | chuck, to me, it's an actual solution. I think it's more normal for users to get their own groups. :P |
| 23:15.24 | stew | chuck: what are you try to prevent? local users from looking at files in apache's dir? |
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| 23:15.36 | varney | any way of checking what's eating the cpu/making the hd active all the time? |
| 23:15.38 | berat | hey |
| 23:15.42 | berat | i am using debian |
| 23:15.49 | berat | my system configures my apache |
| 23:15.50 | berat | and |
| 23:15.53 | jpinx | varney: top |
| 23:15.56 | berat | apache doesnt work correctly |
| 23:16.30 | varney | jpinx: and any ideas on what would be using it (as i am using windows now) |
| 23:17.27 | jpinx | varney: if that debian system is running on another machine, do :~$ top to see what is running and what it's using |
| 23:18.00 | varney | it's not on another machine, it's on the one i'm using now, but i am booted into W$ atm |
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| 23:18.10 | varney | i'll have to boot into debian to check |
| 23:18.13 | varney | bbs ;) |
| 23:18.39 | dkr | any idea how to make my system stop making a console beep each time I delete a file from desktop or via nautilus? it started happening after etch->lenny upgrade. maybe it's a nautilus setting I am just not seeing in gconf? |
| 23:18.49 | chuck | stew: i'm trying to prevent users from looking into each others directories |
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| 23:19.19 | valdyn | chuck: did you dpkg-reconfigure adduser ? |
| 23:19.23 | Tr0gd0r | ugg |
| 23:19.46 | stew | chuck: then yes, chmod 700 the directory is correct |
| 23:19.49 | chuck | :O |
| 23:20.04 | Tr0gd0r | whenever i try to load my server ip, it somehow redirects to asian porn, which is not on my server. Im not sure what is going on. As far as I can tell, there is nothing running on port 80. |
| 23:20.04 | chuck | valdyn: will that option work even with apache |
| 23:20.09 | Tr0gd0r | can someone tell me whats up? |
| 23:20.10 | gewt | i ened to secure my stuff. |
| 23:20.16 | chuck | and i use useradd :P |
| 23:20.21 | gewt | every suer can view everything in ./etc and all of /. |
| 23:20.27 | jetscreamer | blacklist pc-speaker |
| 23:20.29 | gewt | user* |
| 23:20.40 | gewt | now what should the permissions be? |
| 23:20.47 | gewt | 700 as in chuck's situation? |
| 23:20.51 | valdyn | chuck: you mean ~/public_html i guess, i dont know |
| 23:21.00 | dkr | Tr0gd0r: load from where? a windows system with a virus, perhaps? |
| 23:21.07 | jetscreamer | or is it pc_speaker |
| 23:21.14 | Tr0gd0r | nah anyone who loads this ip gets the address |
| 23:21.23 | [C]Hris | <3 Tr0gd0r |
| 23:21.26 | Tr0gd0r | something is running on my server that is redirecting them to this website |
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| 23:21.35 | stew | gewt: yes, users need to be able to read stuff in /etc |
| 23:21.38 | Smerdyakov | chuck, a multi-user system that I run uses AFS, where this is really easy to do, but you probably don't want to switch to AFS. :P |
| 23:21.49 | Tr0gd0r | 67.213.208.251 |
| 23:21.51 | Tr0gd0r | that is my ip |
| 23:21.53 | valdyn | chuck: works |
| 23:21.57 | Tr0gd0r | dunno wtf is going on |
| 23:22.09 | dkr | Tr0gd0r: netstat -nap doesn't show anything listening on port 80? |
| 23:22.11 | gewt | stew, what abount /etc/apsswd? |
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| 23:22.29 | Tr0gd0r | let me check |
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| 23:22.42 | valdyn | chuck: ops, doesnt work |
| 23:22.44 | chuck | Smerdyakov: what AFS are you talking about? google yields a lot of results |
| 23:22.44 | valdyn | chuck: i just tried |
| 23:22.45 | gewt | redirects to club-e.com |
| 23:22.49 | chuck | "Andrew File System"? |
| 23:22.52 | dkr | Tr0gd0r: it's sending an http redirect: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently |
| 23:22.52 | dkr | Location: http://www.club-e.com/ |
| 23:23.02 | gewt | which is in some language that appears to be asian. |
| 23:23.03 | Smerdyakov | chuck, but what we do is give each user a special daemon principal, and the user grants read permission for that principal to public_html. |
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| 23:23.05 | Smerdyakov | chuck, yes. |
| 23:23.08 | Tr0gd0r | dkr |
| 23:23.10 | gewt | hm |
| 23:23.13 | gewt | asian porn site? |
| 23:23.15 | sylarrr | LOL |
| 23:23.16 | Tr0gd0r | nothing is listening on port 80 |
| 23:23.19 | Tr0gd0r | on my computer |
| 23:23.21 | jetscreamer | andrews i think |
| 23:23.25 | Tr0gd0r | is the redirect coming from dns? |
| 23:23.39 | gewt | it appears so. |
| 23:23.43 | jetscreamer | s or no s |
| 23:23.46 | dkr | Tr0gd0r: so, yeah, somethign on your server has to be lsitening on port 80 |
| 23:23.53 | gewt | wait. |
| 23:23.54 | Tr0gd0r | dkr, nothing is listening on 80 |
| 23:24.01 | cuba | valdyn, thank you, done .... but there is still 200MB used despite I just mkfs it |
| 23:24.01 | sylarrr | gona watch asian porn on Tr0gd0r |
| 23:24.02 | gewt | that's impossible. |
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| 23:24.14 | gewt | it's listening |
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| 23:24.33 | gewt | i can't telnet on port 80 |
| 23:24.36 | dkr | Tr0gd0r: telnet 67.213.208.251 80 |
| 23:24.37 | gewt | wtf |
| 23:24.42 | dkr | works for me |
| 23:24.47 | gewt | wait |
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| 23:24.50 | gewt | i wa susing netcat |
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| 23:25.01 | gewt | AHA |
| 23:25.04 | stew | gewt: yes, users need to read /etc/passwd, and there is little reason not to let them |
| 23:25.04 | gewt | it runs nginx |
| 23:25.15 | Tr0gd0r | maybe i cant read my netstat |
| 23:25.18 | gewt | hmmm |
| 23:25.18 | Tr0gd0r | but i see nothing on 80 |
| 23:25.20 | stew | gewt: unless you are crazy enough to actually store password hashes there instead of /etc/shadow |
| 23:25.26 | dkr | it's running nginx A HTTP and mail proxy server licensed under a 2-clause BSD-like license. |
| 23:25.27 | Tr0gd0r | can it somehow be hidden from netstat |
| 23:25.46 | dkr | maybe there is a reverse proxy in front of your server at that ip? |
| 23:26.22 | gewt | curl says 301 |
| 23:26.32 | gewt | proxies to club-e.com |
| 23:26.43 | Tr0gd0r | well this box has 5 ips |
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| 23:26.51 | gewt | at first glance seems to be some asian porn site ro something. |
| 23:26.56 | Tr0gd0r | 67.213.208.248-251 |
| 23:26.58 | gewt | didn't pay much attention |
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| 23:27.06 | Tr0gd0r | and an ip in a different range |
| 23:27.16 | Tr0gd0r | the 67.213 ips all redirect there |
| 23:27.22 | Tr0gd0r | but the ip in the other range does not |
| 23:27.27 | gewt | o.o |
| 23:27.31 | Tr0gd0r | however 67.213.208.252, which is not owned by me |
| 23:27.34 | Tr0gd0r | does not redirect |
| 23:27.35 | gewt | it runs nginx |
| 23:27.45 | gewt | which redirects to club-e.com |
| 23:27.52 | dkr | gewt: you should read more, you keep repeatnig things we already said. :) |
| 23:28.12 | Tr0gd0r | so is it my server or some router inbetween |
| 23:28.17 | Tr0gd0r | cuz there aint anything listening on 80 |
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| 23:28.51 | jpinx | Tr0gd0r: sounds like you might have lost control of your nameserver maybe? |
| 23:29.02 | dkr | the route seems pretty direct, from po01.fcr01.sea01.seattle-datacenter.com to your ip |
| 23:29.05 | themill | dns has nothing to do with this |
| 23:29.18 | Tr0gd0r | http://pastebin.ca/index.php |
| 23:29.23 | Tr0gd0r | oops |
| 23:29.27 | Tr0gd0r | http://pastebin.ca/1359441 |
| 23:29.31 | Tr0gd0r | theres my netstat |
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| 23:29.52 | Tr0gd0r | that apache2 has nothing to do with it |
| 23:29.57 | Tr0gd0r | cuz its on the wrong ip |
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| 23:31.21 | Tr0gd0r | something in iptables maybe? |
| 23:31.21 | gewt | imaze in single player mode ftl :( |
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| 23:31.50 | dkr | also, apache2 isn't nginx, heh. is nginx on the system at all? |
| 23:32.05 | Tr0gd0r | let me check |
| 23:32.11 | themill | dkr: btw how did you conclude it's nginx? |
| 23:32.27 | Tr0gd0r | no its not |
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| 23:32.47 | Tr0gd0r | Package nginx is not installed, so not removed |
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| 23:33.00 | themill | dkr: ahh... give it a bad request and it says its nginx... with a good request, it claims to be apache... |
| 23:33.04 | dkr | when I telnet'd to port 80, I did GET / HTTP/1.1 and it replied: <center><h1>400 Bad Request</h1></center> |
| 23:33.04 | dkr | <hr><center>nginx</center> |
| 23:33.10 | dkr | and.. yep, that |
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| 23:33.46 | themill | dkr: right... I asked for HEAD and it claims Server: Apache. |
| 23:34.05 | Tr0gd0r | but how is it listening on 80 if netstat says 80 isnt open |
| 23:34.05 | themill | smells bad. |
| 23:34.07 | Tr0gd0r | arrrrrrrrg |
| 23:34.34 | Tr0gd0r | port 8080 doesnt redirect |
| 23:34.38 | Tr0gd0r | something to do with port 80 |
| 23:34.41 | dkr | any weird kernel moduels loaded? maybe run rkhunter to look for a rootkit |
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| 23:35.39 | jpinx | what about the other alternate port for http - 82 iirc |
| 23:36.19 | dkr | jpinx: i don't believe you do rc. :) |
| 23:36.27 | foetus | foetus back again: generating the timestamp with $(date +"%a, %e %b %Y %X %z") gives me also an error on debian/changelog..its enough, i use an static entry now. |
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| 23:37.14 | themill | foetus: date -R or use dch for editing changelogs. |
| 23:38.09 | dustpylex2 | ok someone help me out here. I've been thinking about trying out debian for a long time. But there's like 31 discs available for download. Which one(s) do i need? |
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| 23:38.30 | themill | dpkg: tell dustpylex2 about netinstall |
| 23:38.37 | foetus | themill: thanks, themill. lets see..you know, i feel a little bit sick about.. |
| 23:38.39 | Smerdyakov | I upgraded X on my laptop, and now, after I log in in gdm, X gets to the point of displaying my user's chosen wallpaper, and then it goes no further. The mouse pointer still responds, but there are no more signs of life. Anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 23:38.54 | jpinx | dustpylex2: if you have a good connection download the small installer and do a network install |
| 23:39.13 | dustpylex2 | jpinx, oh ok. Why is this one better? |
| 23:39.23 | dustpylex2 | more up to date packages? |
| 23:39.47 | jpinx | dustpylex2: you'll get the latest in stable |
| 23:39.48 | themill | dustpylex2: packages are identical, it's just that you will only download the packages you actually need if you use the netinst image |
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| 23:40.09 | dustpylex2 | ah ok |
| 23:40.11 | jpinx | and not overburden your system with stuff you might not want |
| 23:40.24 | themill | well, there's no difference on that front |
| 23:40.35 | Tr0gd0r | rkhunter doesnt return anything bad |
| 23:40.36 | Tr0gd0r | ugggh |
| 23:40.50 | dkr | Tr0gd0r: maybe your hosting facility has a transparent reverse proxy they didn't tell you about? is this a virtual hosted server? |
| 23:40.58 | dustpylex2 | see all i've ever used is Ubuntu, which has probably dumbed me down a bit. Will Debian blow me away or what? |
| 23:41.40 | jpinx | dustpylex2: no - debian is easy - even I can cope ;) |
| 23:41.46 | gewt | ubuntu is based on debian |
| 23:41.57 | Tr0gd0r | nope this is dedicated |
| 23:42.05 | doleyb | dustpylex2: it probably won't seem much different, except some different/missing default desktops and autodetector installs. |
| 23:42.09 | dustpylex2 | gewt, ya i knew that. That's why i've always wanted to try it. Cuz i wanna be a real linux user one day XD |
| 23:42.14 | gewt | xD |
| 23:42.18 | dustpylex2 | doleyb, ah ok |
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| 23:42.39 | dustpylex2 | once the windows 7 beta ends i'm probably gonna install debian over that partition |
| 23:42.50 | RiotingPacifist` | dustpylex2: ubuntu -> debian-gnome not much difference well except that debian seams more stable, but in kde the main feature is the choice of a sane version :D |
| 23:43.00 | jpinx | dustpylex2: you might have to get your hands dirty if you want anything other than the standard packages |
| 23:43.11 | gewt | rkhunter won;t take long on a quad core :) |
| 23:43.16 | RiotingPacifist` | dustpylex2: just set the clock back , or some other really lame exploit to get round the windows security :P |
| 23:43.26 | dustpylex2 | jpinx, lolz that's alright. I'm not afraid of fucking everything up and having to reformat x] |
| 23:43.36 | rgr | dies firestarter have to be specifically started each boot to get its policy running? I am needing to ssh in and run it using sux in order to enable imap each time. ssh works ok. So I dont know why the imyp is not open too. |
| 23:43.52 | dustpylex2 | RiotingPacifist`, lol nah. I don't wanna keep windows 7 longer than i have to XD |
| 23:44.25 | jpinx | dustpylex2: that's perfect then - go for the netinstall of stable with the standard package of what you want, and move on from there |
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| 23:44.35 | doleyb | dustpylex2: set your clock ahead a few months and it can delete now |
| 23:45.30 | gewt | [19:44:51] Warning: Suspicious file types found in /dev: |
| 23:45.30 | gewt | [19:44:51] /dev/shm/network/ifstate: ASCII text |
| 23:45.35 | sylarrr | can anyone recommend a cpu temp monitor tool? |
| 23:45.37 | dustpylex2 | doleyb, haha. I just have it because I work at a pc repair shop, and once it comes out i'm gonna have to be showing a lot of old people how to use it -.- |
| 23:45.45 | sylarrr | for intel |
| 23:45.48 | sylarrr | ? |
| 23:45.52 | RiotingPacifist` | erm pinging 192.168.1.1 is getting me 10% packet loss, how can i find out where the problem lies? , it might be my wireless (atheros on the new ath5k stack) or it could be the router |
| 23:45.55 | dkr | Tr0gd0r: what was your exact netstat command? was thinking maybe it's listening on ipv6 address like :::80. also for sanity check maybe stop that apache proc and see if system still responds to request on 80? |
| 23:46.10 | gewt | wireless by default has packet loss. |
| 23:46.11 | gewt | afaik |
| 23:46.15 | jpinx | dustpylex2: you can run windows in a virtual machine on debian ;) |
| 23:46.30 | Tr0gd0r | dkr I did stop apache2 still loads |
| 23:46.35 | Tr0gd0r | ill check ipv6 |
| 23:46.42 | Tr0gd0r | what netstat command should I use |
| 23:46.44 | dustpylex2 | jpinx, But i don't wanna go to hell! >.< |
| 23:47.07 | jpinx | dustpylex2: vbox on debian is really easy |
| 23:47.19 | RiotingPacifist` | are you sure? ive never had packet lose before, it makes my internet noticably slower, i thought the stack was supposed to make packet lose invisible to userspace |
| 23:47.24 | dkr | Tr0gd0r: netstat -lnp |
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| 23:47.29 | jpinx | dustpylex2: but get your system running first;) |
| 23:47.30 | dustpylex2 | jpinx, i understand. But running windows 7 beta on a linux machine? That's just... wrong... |
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| 23:48.16 | dkr | Tr0gd0r: netstat -nlp --inet6 |
| 23:48.17 | gewt | I used windows home server as a desktop OS once. |
| 23:48.19 | dustpylex2 | i also have an asus eee pc 900ha that i'm gonna duel boot xp and ubuntu-eee on. should be fun to play with |
| 23:48.20 | jpinx | dustpylex2: not at all - it puts windows where it needs to be - a subsystem of debian :) |
| 23:48.47 | dustpylex2 | jpinx, lol i'm hoping to be completely rid of windows 7 by the time i get debian lol |
| 23:49.04 | jpinx | dustpylex2: join #debian-eeepc on irc.debian.org |
| 23:49.24 | dustpylex2 | jpinx, oh they have an debian-eee version? |
| 23:49.36 | jpinx | dustpylex2: of course ;) |
| 23:49.53 | dustpylex2 | jpinx, how well supported is it? Do lots of people use it? |
| 23:50.02 | Tr0gd0r | dkr nothing there |
| 23:50.07 | jpinx | dustpylex2: it makes all the special buttons work ;) |
| 23:50.07 | gewt | ...doesn't irc.debian.org point here? |
| 23:50.13 | Tr0gd0r | hmm this is really odd |
| 23:50.15 | gewt | oh |
| 23:50.17 | dkr | gewt: no, to oftc |
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| 23:50.22 | gewt | oh |
| 23:50.27 | jpinx | dustpylex2: yes - it's well used and well supported |
| 23:50.31 | gewt | must of been ubuntus servers I was thinking of |
| 23:50.46 | dustpylex2 | jpinx, oh sweet. Cuz nothing pisses me off more than an unsupported wireless card -.- |
| 23:51.49 | Tr0gd0r | dkr: interesting. |
| 23:52.05 | Tr0gd0r | when I try wget http://67.213.208.250 on the server it says connection refused |
| 23:52.15 | Tr0gd0r | does that mean it is getting intercepted before it gets to my server? |
| 23:52.17 | gewt | o_O |
| 23:52.58 | gewt | run netstat as root. |
| 23:53.00 | Tr0gd0r | root@host198147-1:/etc# telnet 67.213.208.250 80 |
| 23:53.00 | Tr0gd0r | Trying 67.213.208.250... |
| 23:53.00 | Tr0gd0r | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 23:53.15 | gewt | Tr0gd0r, works here |
| 23:53.22 | Tr0gd0r | gewt i know that |
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| 23:53.29 | Tr0gd0r | i am trying to run it from the box with the ip root@host198147-1:/etc# telnet 67.213.208.250 80 |
| 23:53.30 | Tr0gd0r | Trying 67.213.208.250... |
| 23:53.30 | Tr0gd0r | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 23:53.31 | Tr0gd0r | ooops |
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| 23:53.39 | gewt | try curl -vvvvvvvv http://67.213.208.250 |
| 23:53.44 | Tr0gd0r | sorry |
| 23:53.48 | Tr0gd0r | I am running from the server with the ip 67.213.208.250 |
| 23:53.50 | Tr0gd0r | and it says refused |
| 23:53.55 | Tr0gd0r | so it cant connect to itself |
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| 23:54.23 | litwol|mac | lol the more vs are set the more verbose it gets? |
| 23:54.29 | gewt | yup |
| 23:54.35 | Tr0gd0r | * About to connect() to 67.213.208.250 port 80 (#0) |
| 23:54.35 | Tr0gd0r | * Trying 67.213.208.250... Connection refused |
| 23:54.35 | Tr0gd0r | * couldn't connect to host |
| 23:54.35 | Tr0gd0r | * Closing connection #0 |
| 23:54.35 | Tr0gd0r | curl: (7) couldn't connect to host |
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| 23:54.51 | Tr0gd0r | arg |
| 23:55.11 | adb | !tel Tr0gd0r about paste |
| 23:55.27 | Tr0gd0r | so it must be getting intercepted before it reaches my server |
| 23:57.10 | jetscreamer | nice porn site dude |
| 23:57.17 | jetscreamer | you must be proud... :) |
| 23:57.41 | pl4yer0ne | porn? ok im here whats going on |
| 23:57.54 | mythomaniac | what is the prog that allows one to use mouse in console? |
| 23:57.55 | jetscreamer | 67.213.208.250 |
| 23:57.58 | jetscreamer | gpm |
| 23:58.01 | mythomaniac | thanks |
| 23:58.18 | jetscreamer | !tell mythomaniac -about gpm |
| 23:58.23 | jetscreamer | there's a note or so |
| 23:58.27 | gewt | i find it funny peopel have alerts for porn. |
| 23:58.43 | jetscreamer | porn |
| 23:58.46 | pl4yer0ne | haha gewt nah I -just- happened to look in chan |
| 23:58.57 | jetscreamer | i thought it might be an autoresponsw |
| 23:58.58 | jetscreamer | e |
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| 23:59.06 | gewt | hahaha |
| 23:59.08 | gewt | pornview. |
| 23:59.14 | gewt | best image viewer name ever |
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| 23:59.32 | Agiofws | is bashrc used in SSH logins ? |
| 23:59.36 | jetscreamer | i tried it once... i thought it could use some more sometihng |
| 23:59.37 | gewt | why does apt-cache search porn bring up xscreensaver-data-extra? |
| 23:59.41 | Agiofws | executed ? |