| 00:00.09 | \amethyst | probably, if you want to talk to the rest of the world :) |
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| 00:00.15 | \amethyst | but it won't give you an error if you leave it out |
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| 00:01.07 | dondelelcaro | Samuel-NotAFK: if they don't, then see which way they're going. Hopefully adjusting the tick will fix things up |
| 00:01.27 | dondelelcaro | Samuel-NotAFK: your alternative is to call ntpd -q a bunch in a cronjob. |
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| 00:01.40 | dondelelcaro | Samuel-NotAFK: if you still have problems, hopefully someone else here can give you a hand. (I'm out.) |
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| 00:07.01 | jnewt6 | ifup says interface already configured, but i want to re-configure it with the new values in interfaces, why does it not re-configure? |
| 00:08.24 | jnewt6 | scratch that, i fixed that one. |
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| 00:22.15 | marsje | I want to move my network from a static IP configuration to DHCP with static address... what should I use? |
| 00:22.20 | marsje | I'm using lenny |
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| 00:23.37 | format_c | marsje, you even don't have to choose. |
| 00:23.43 | format_c | You have all you need |
| 00:23.44 | beered | how do I install firefox in lenny? i have non-free and contrib in apt sources but aptitude install firefox gives me no install candidates for 'firefox'. |
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| 00:24.19 | format_c | marsje, man interfaces |
| 00:24.30 | adama | !tell beered -about iceweasel |
| 00:24.39 | marsje | format_c: built-in? |
| 00:25.19 | beered | adama: ty |
| 00:25.20 | format_c | you can call it "already provided". |
| 00:25.41 | beered | how do I install artwiz fonts in lenny? i can't find anyting called artwiz in repos. |
| 00:25.52 | format_c | marsje, build has a touch of compiling |
| 00:26.06 | format_c | marsje, read the manual page |
| 00:26.12 | \amethyst | beered: they haven't been in the archive for a long time |
| 00:26.12 | format_c | mentioned above |
| 00:26.13 | marsje | format_c: just to get it right... my client is ubuntu and my server lenny... |
| 00:26.21 | creichen | Hi! I'm having trouble getting flashplayer-mozilla to work on an amd64/dual-core setup; it works on some sites but not all of them (errors in NPP_New() etc.) |
| 00:26.24 | creichen | Rumour has it that newer versions of nspluginwrapper (1.1.4+) might solve that, but sid only has 1.0.0 (and apt-get.org and google don't seem to know of any others). |
| 00:26.30 | creichen | Any ideas or suggestions? |
| 00:26.39 | abrotman | creichen: there's a native amd64 flash10 |
| 00:26.43 | marsje | format_c: reading and it seems like interfaces is a front for a REAL dhcp server.. or client.. |
| 00:26.51 | format_c | And you want ubuntu configured as a dhcp client and lenny as the server in that subnet |
| 00:26.52 | format_c | ? |
| 00:26.52 | creichen | abrotman: I tried that, it crashed my iceweasel/firefox. |
| 00:26.59 | marsje | format_c: yes |
| 00:27.11 | \amethyst | beered: it should be possible to install the xfonts-artwiz package from Ubuntu's repository, though, or from snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:27.22 | creichen | abrotman: (Latest version from adobe, with current sid iceweasel/firefox). |
| 00:27.40 | creichen | abrotman: Is there an older version that is known to work? |
| 00:27.42 | abrotman | creichen: are you sure you're actually using flash and not gnash/swfdec ? |
| 00:27.48 | marsje | format_c: and I'd like to configure the server to give a specific ip address to a specific client (mac address?) |
| 00:28.05 | format_c | We're here not aware about Ubuntu. But I guess it's quite similar to Debian. So just change "iface ethx " from static to dhcp |
| 00:28.08 | creichen | abrotman: Quite. |
| 00:28.12 | format_c | This is another question |
| 00:28.29 | marsje | format_c: my question was how to set up the server, not the client |
| 00:28.33 | format_c | extremely depending on the service you're using |
| 00:28.34 | creichen | abrotman: Name of the archive I downloaded (leading to the crash): libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz |
| 00:28.39 | marsje | format_c: dhcp is the defaul tin ubuntu |
| 00:28.43 | format_c | marsje, ah now I got you |
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| 00:29.11 | format_c | What server do you use? |
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| 00:29.49 | format_c | but again read the man-pages, examples and follow the "SEE ALSO" sections mentioned in the man-pages |
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| 00:31.07 | marsje | format_c: as far as I know interfaces is to set up the interfaces and how they get their ip address, not how my server hands out ip address to others |
| 00:31.22 | jmonreal | hey all, do you guys know how to install software on a debian host, and then replicate the installation to a bunch of other hosts? |
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| 00:31.43 | \amethyst | marsje: if you're using dhcp3-server, it is /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
| 00:31.51 | format_c | marsje, yes and to answer this question you have to choose a DHCP service you installed or want to install on your lenny system. |
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| 00:32.28 | \amethyst | marsje: man dhcpd.conf has more information. you'll want a 'host' section with a 'fixed-address' directive |
| 00:32.39 | marsje | \amethyst: I'm not using anything yet... I came here to make a informed decision on what to use.... udhcp seems to simple, dhcp3-server seems to complex |
| 00:32.58 | marsje | format_c: yes, but which one...? |
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| 00:35.32 | format_c | I'd take dhcp3-server |
| 00:35.32 | \amethyst | marsje: dhcp3-server is the only one I've used... I've never had problems with it |
| 00:35.33 | marsje | \amethyst: the /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf seems very bind-like.... and I hate to configure bind :) |
| 00:35.33 | \amethyst | marsje: it's four lines in the conf file to set up a static address for a machine |
| 00:35.48 | marsje | \amethyst: I'll give it a try... |
| 00:36.05 | jmonreal | anyone? |
| 00:36.17 | jmonreal | or how is it called to search on goole |
| 00:36.20 | \amethyst | host foo { hardware ethernet 01:23:45:67:89:ab; fixed-address foo.home; } |
| 00:37.27 | \amethyst | jmonreal: are you talking about installing software via debian packages, or something else? |
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| 00:38.19 | jmonreal | \amethyst: installing something with apt-get or making an upgrade ... i want to only touch one computer and then the others syncronize and change as the way its the first one |
| 00:38.34 | jmonreal | \amethyst: like distributing the installation |
| 00:38.50 | jmonreal | but you only install in one, and the others will change too |
| 00:40.16 | \amethyst | but it needs to actually be installed on all the machines, and not shared with NFS? |
| 00:40.33 | jmonreal | ys in all |
| 00:40.39 | \amethyst | jmonreal: FAI might be useful |
| 00:40.52 | \amethyst | !fai |
| 00:40.52 | dpkg | an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 00:41.03 | jmonreal | mmm but FAI is for installing |
| 00:41.11 | jmonreal | debian |
| 00:41.18 | \amethyst | it says "can also be used for configuration management of a running system" |
| 00:41.21 | \amethyst | I haven't used it |
| 00:41.48 | jmonreal | and other way you dont know? |
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| 00:43.35 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 00:44.58 | Gigantic | it is SO good to be in Debian again! all works, alls stable, all's safe! |
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| 00:47.48 | Gigantic | why so silent in here? |
| 00:48.42 | format_c | Gigantic, people lying with their heads on the keyboard |
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| 00:49.30 | Gigantic | prolly.. I usually have problems to read withing all that people chating here |
| 00:50.28 | format_c | jep quite dynamic in here. Which means that sometimes it can be quite silent in here :) |
| 00:50.47 | marsje | \amethyst: in the man page of dhcpd I see something about setting a fixed ip address, but they refer to it at BOOTP.. is this what I need? |
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| 00:52.41 | \amethyst | marsje: are you looking at the 'haagen' example ? |
| 00:52.55 | Samuel-NotAFK | Gigantic: BUT MY SYSTEM CLOCK KEEPS GOING TOO FAST |
| 00:53.01 | marsje | \amethyst: yes |
| 00:53.03 | Samuel-NotAFK | Gigantic: Other than that, yeah Debian rocks. |
| 00:53.11 | \amethyst | marsje: you wouldn't use the "filename" entry, since you're not network booting, but the rest would be the same |
| 00:53.33 | Gigantic | Samuel-NotAFK: heh |
| 00:53.44 | marsje | \amethyst: is dhcp like a successor to bootp? |
| 00:53.45 | \amethyst | marsje: BOOTP is, in some sense, the precursor to DHCP |
| 00:53.48 | \amethyst | marsje: bingo :) |
| 00:53.53 | marsje | \amethyst: OK :) |
| 00:54.15 | \amethyst | marsje: there's a separate manpage for the config file btw --- dhcpd.conf |
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| 00:54.29 | marsje | \amethyst: looking at it now... |
| 00:54.55 | marsje | \amethyst: thorough docs compared to udhcp |
| 00:55.41 | jnewt | ok, i know what i need to do, but not sure how to do it. i need to put in dns servers for my connection, i have two, i put them in interfaces, but they don't seem to be loading on ifup eth0, how do i get them to be used? |
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| 00:59.06 | Tramp | jnewt: why would you put nameservers in interfaces? You put them in resolv.conf |
| 00:59.51 | Tramp | jnewt: provided, that you configure your interfaces static, otherwise you nameservers get overwritten over dhcp |
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| 01:01.08 | creichen | OK... for the record: upgrading to nspluginwrapper 1.2.2 (homemade package) didn't solve the issue. |
| 01:01.24 | Tramp | jnewt: in which case you would have to /msg dpkg resolv.conf to see, how to overwrite the dhcp-enforced nameservers |
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| 01:08.11 | jnewt | Tramp: no dhcp. this is my first attempt here, 3rd day with linux, so i don't have a reason why except they are on the same page in windows, which is what i am migrating from. |
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| 01:09.11 | jnewt | Tramp: so, if they go in resolv.conf, is it just nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and then another line that is the same, or are they numbered, alterneate...? |
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| 01:11.22 | Tramp | jnewt: just like this. Two nameserver lines. But note, that they are not used round-robin by default. The second is used only, if the first one times out |
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| 01:11.48 | bbs | why doesn't eclipse work off the bat :((( |
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| 01:12.21 | jnewt | yeah, that makes sense. |
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| 01:13.05 | beered | I have a new install of lenny and xterm fonts look very pixelated. what can i install to make the fonts look better in the terminal? |
| 01:13.06 | bbs | jnewt: are you referring to me? |
| 01:13.16 | bbs | beered: don't use xterm |
| 01:13.18 | bbs | use gnome-terminal |
| 01:13.18 | jnewt | yeah, thanks. |
| 01:13.29 | beered | bbs: I'm on fluxbox. |
| 01:13.37 | jnewt | no, not you, sorry, to Tramp. |
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| 01:13.42 | bbs | beered: use aterm them |
| 01:13.53 | bbs | eclipse just won't work upon install |
| 01:13.57 | bbs | has a vm problem |
| 01:14.00 | bbs | on lenny |
| 01:14.02 | bbs | absurd. |
| 01:14.28 | beered | aterm looks the same as xterm. |
| 01:14.32 | beered | pixelated fonts. |
| 01:14.43 | Samuel-NotAFK | My system clock is moving forward too fast. |
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| 01:15.04 | beered | this might be xorg problem. |
| 01:16.10 | beered | is there a way to auto configure video card (xorg/lenny)? |
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| 01:18.51 | beered | sight |
| 01:18.53 | beered | sigh |
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| 01:19.43 | gparent | Has anyone in here tried making a working Linux from scratch using Debian? |
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| 01:20.18 | sajes | wpa_supplicant doesn't seem to want to work with madwifi. It says in the manpage that it supports madwifi, but when I try to run it, it says "unsupported driver ''madwifi'. |
| 01:20.49 | sajes | Wait, might have found a solution with google. ;) |
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| 01:22.27 | sajes | Nope, not a solution. ;( |
| 01:23.00 | Tramp | sajes: for me it's -D wext |
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| 01:26.16 | n3kl | How can I tell my nic speed? |
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| 01:26.49 | iateadonut | hi. |
| 01:27.08 | iateadonut | is ltsp the best server for booting diskless computers over a network? or is there something better? |
| 01:27.28 | abrotman | n3kl: ethtool or mii-tool |
| 01:28.10 | n3kl | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:29.08 | Samuel-NotAFK | abrotman: My system clock is moving too fast. |
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| 01:29.57 | abrotman | Samuel-NotAFK: hardware or software? |
| 01:30.00 | Arafangion | Hey, how do I install a dictionary for my current locale? (en_AU.UTF8) |
| 01:30.11 | Samuel-NotAFK | abrotman: I don't know. :( |
| 01:30.17 | abrotman | so find out |
| 01:30.25 | Samuel-NotAFK | abrotman: I don't know how. :( |
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| 01:31.05 | sylarrrr | hi, |
| 01:31.12 | sylarrrr | my esd stopped working |
| 01:31.16 | sylarrrr | completely |
| 01:31.34 | sylarrrr | what should I check? |
| 01:31.43 | Samuel-NotAFK | abrotman: hwclock |
| 01:31.55 | Samuel-NotAFK | Maybe. |
| 01:31.57 | Samuel-NotAFK | I don't know. |
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| 01:32.56 | abrotman | sylarrrr: some would consider that a good thing |
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| 01:33.20 | jnewt | i placed two scripts into usr/local/bin and one i can execute after su root, the other is permission denied, what can i check to help me track down the issue? |
| 01:33.58 | sylarrrr | abrotman, true |
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| 01:34.40 | abrotman | jnewt: ls -l file |
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| 01:35.35 | jnewt | abrotman: i don't follow, can you explain a little further, although i think i just found out, i am still curious as i am learning |
| 01:35.46 | abrotman | is the file +x ? |
| 01:36.16 | jnewt | abrotman: thats it, no it is not executable. |
| 01:37.04 | jnewt | so, can i change that from kde, or is this a command line operation. the box is dithered in properties, so i can't just click. |
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| 01:37.44 | abrotman | isn't even sure that was english ... |
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| 01:38.12 | jnewt | abrotman: me? |
| 01:38.23 | sylarrrrr | seem like it was the X-client esd fault |
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| 01:40.51 | sylarrrrr | abrotman, I would normally consider it a good thing too. I also like black empty screens, it is more soothing, and it saves bandwidth and electricity |
| 01:41.07 | Tramp | jnewt: without wanting to sound rude: You may want to read about unix/linux/debian fundamentals. E.g. /msg dpkg grounding for some links. The danger is, that people will get tired soon of answering very basic questions. |
| 01:41.10 | sylarrrrr | :/ |
| 01:41.44 | abrotman | sylarrrrr: so start it again |
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| 01:45.28 | jnewt | Tramp: i take no offense, i am really struggling with this and have probably gotten a little frustrated and impatient, i understand, as i help in the c programming area from time to time and get tired of answering fundamentals too. thank you for your help. |
| 01:45.52 | Tramp | yw |
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| 01:47.59 | misreckoning | I have some strange problems with Lenny - everything seems to be working quick, stable and cute - except that Totem and Wine tend to block the whole system for a couple of seconds |
| 01:48.43 | Arafangion | misreckoning: If you still have your old kernel around, try using htat and see if the issues go away. |
| 01:48.51 | misreckoning | I don't believe many of you have experienced the same problem, so I'd like to know how can I trace what is causing that? |
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| 01:49.09 | Arafangion | finds the etchnhalf kernel to be much better, but he specifically had a driver compatibility issue with his wifi, so... |
| 01:49.30 | Arafangion | misreckoning: Also, if you have binary graphics drivers, you might need to update them for hte new kernel. |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman | misreckoning: no other gnome based media players have the issue? |
| 01:49.52 | misreckoning | Arafangion: I have the "stable" release, uname -a says: 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 01:50.07 | misreckoning | abrotman: I tried VLC and it works OK |
| 01:50.20 | abrotman | that's not gnome based |
| 01:50.23 | misreckoning | and Wine stops for Picasa (OK I can live without that one) |
| 01:50.55 | misreckoning | abrotman: yes I know, that was only multimedia player I had |
| 01:51.01 | abrotman | hrm .. maybe totem is the only one |
| 01:51.08 | Arafangion | misreckoning: Even so. |
| 01:51.43 | Arafangion | misreckoning: Mind you, in your case I would suspect a graphics driver issue. |
| 01:51.52 | misreckoning | I have not installed ATI closed drivers, I run the default free drivers, and they seem to be good enough, since I'm not very happy with compiz and stuff |
| 01:51.54 | Arafangion | Cya |
| 01:52.14 | misreckoning | Arafangion: OK, bye |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | misreckoning: how does the system "stop" ? |
| 01:53.03 | misreckoning | abrotman: mouse can be moved, but the "image" (screen) is frozen, no buttons react, I can't even switch to tty1 |
| 01:53.39 | abrotman | misreckoning: using totem-xine or totem-gstreamer ? |
| 01:53.53 | abrotman | try totem with the other |
| 01:54.13 | misreckoning | abrotman: I have removed totem now, because I was a little bit frustrated hehe, I think it was gstreamer (it is by default), but I'll check now with both of them... |
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| 01:55.54 | misreckoning | anyway, you are all doing a great job... I always respect your work and... the world is a better place because of Debian... <3 :-) |
| 01:57.12 | misreckoning | abrotman: *update* - totem & gstreamer - definitelly blocks |
| 01:57.39 | misreckoning | trying totem-xine |
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| 01:59.39 | misreckoning | abrotman: OK, xine blocks too... I have noticed now that I can hear sounds from the Pidgin while everything else blocks |
| 02:00.04 | misreckoning | so it seems like a GPU driver problem, but I'm not sure |
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| 02:00.22 | abrotman | misreckoning: what if you just use straight xine ? |
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| 02:00.41 | misreckoning | abrotman: I'll try now |
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| 02:03.10 | misreckoning | abrotman: both xine and gxine work good |
| 02:03.22 | abrotman | so it's just something with the totem front end |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | apparently anyways |
| 02:04.02 | misreckoning | abrotman: the question is - how is that related with the Wine (Picasa) blocking? |
| 02:04.12 | abrotman | i'm not going to try to debug a windows app :) |
| 02:04.28 | misreckoning | maybe wine is using some specific library like totem? |
| 02:04.47 | misreckoning | abrotman: of course :) |
| 02:04.52 | abrotman | you could compare the linked libraries maybe |
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| 02:05.33 | misreckoning | abrotman: err, since I learned python and java, I forgot most of my C skillz... how do you see which libs is .elf using? |
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| 02:05.50 | abrotman | ldd `which totem` |
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| 02:06.54 | misreckoning | pro :) |
| 02:07.08 | GhostlyDeath | How do I convert BGR images to RGB images with GIMP? |
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| 02:11.48 | misreckoning | couldn't find anything strange... totem is using like 30 libraries, while wine uses only those which can't be avoided, like pthread or libc :/ |
| 02:13.25 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: there is a #gimp on irc.gnome.org you could also ask |
| 02:13.38 | misreckoning | btw, since I'm here I would like to ask one question about Xorg - the new xorg.conf hardly contains any configuration data - what has happened with it? how is now Xorg configured? |
| 02:13.48 | abrotman | misreckoning: it probes/guesses |
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| 02:14.03 | misreckoning | abrotman: so I can still write my own config in xorg.conf ? |
| 02:14.13 | abrotman | if you prefer |
| 02:14.23 | misreckoning | well I'm thinking about installing fglrx :P |
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| 02:16.08 | abrotman | for which card? |
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| 02:16.30 | Samuel-NotAFK | Can anyone please tell me the exact UTC time? |
| 02:16.31 | misreckoning | X1100 which is actually X200 - laptop |
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| 02:19.20 | abrotman | Samuel-NotAFK: there are dozens of websites that can |
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| 02:22.51 | bittin | and i came to this http://moarpics.com/images/2sgot5yey0i3l61aaag.jpg |
| 02:22.53 | misreckoning | abrotman: I'll try the fglrx now... brb |
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| 02:23.41 | cads | hey she's kinda cute |
| 02:23.46 | abrotman | bittin: your'e in the wrong channel |
| 02:23.57 | cads | but abrotman is right |
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| 02:27.38 | misreckoning | abrotman: :(( |
| 02:27.45 | misreckoning | abrotman: it works well with fglrx :( |
| 02:28.15 | misreckoning | so it is some "radeon" driver bug... should I file it to the bug tracker? |
| 02:28.24 | abrotman | misreckoning: you could ask #xorg .. or email the debian-x mailing list |
| 02:28.43 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/ |
| 02:28.52 | misreckoning | abrotman: I'll try with #xorg first... thanks! |
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| 02:30.20 | dbbolton | how can you capture the screen with no x, such as in single user mode? |
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| 02:30.39 | jnewt | can someone tell me if this: route add default gw 192.168.1.254 (found here: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-debian-ubutnu-set-default-gateway-ipaddress/) is valid, b/c i get host name lookup failure. |
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| 02:31.14 | Hasanibrahim | hi, my friend installed apache2 php5 and mysql |
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| 02:31.15 | abrotman | jnewt: what's wrong with using the interfaces file ? |
| 02:31.21 | abrotman | dbbolton: script ? |
| 02:31.30 | Hasanibrahim | and tried to install a wordpress as a server |
| 02:32.26 | Hasanibrahim | and he opened a free domain |
| 02:32.39 | Hasanibrahim | from blogspot to enter site for all |
| 02:32.48 | Hasanibrahim | it worked but |
| 02:32.48 | abrotman | how about all on one line? |
| 02:32.49 | dbbolton | abrotman would 'import -display :0 -window root capture.png' work? |
| 02:32.59 | abrotman | that implies X |
| 02:33.00 | jnewt | it's not setting the gateway, at least from what i can tell. it has written the dns servers, ip, netmask ok, but gw doesn't seem to be getting set. |
| 02:33.11 | abrotman | jnewt: put your interfaces file in a pastebin |
| 02:33.20 | Hasanibrahim | when he try to connect from his machine, he is getting his modem page |
| 02:33.32 | Hasanibrahim | may anybody help please |
| 02:33.53 | jnewt | ok, if my linux machine will read a usb drive! |
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| 02:35.43 | Hasanibrahim | how can we fix this ? |
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| 02:36.04 | Hasanibrahim | when he try to connect a file, he is always getting modem page :( |
| 02:36.17 | abrotman | from what it sounds like, it's a networking issue, not a debian issue |
| 02:38.04 | Hasanibrahim | abortman, he is a debian user .. and it's about debian issue ithink :( |
| 02:38.21 | abrotman | does the website work from inside the network ? |
| 02:38.26 | Hasanibrahim | yes |
| 02:38.32 | abrotman | it's a networking problem |
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| 02:38.57 | jnewt | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d765bbbf2 |
| 02:39.08 | Hasanibrahim | i think, i couldn't explain the problem :( |
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| 02:39.33 | abrotman | jnewt: you have two gateways .. that's not going to work well .. pick one .. set the other manually |
| 02:40.01 | Hasanibrahim | he is in here, name kokteyl. He doesn't know english. So i asked, i am not a debian user, he is. |
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| 02:40.20 | abrotman | it really doesn't sound like a debian problem at all .. the website works inside .. |
| 02:40.31 | abrotman | most ISPs don't allow websites to be run from home anyways |
| 02:40.50 | Hasanibrahim | when he tries to connect as localhost, he is getting modem page |
| 02:40.58 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense |
| 02:41.03 | abrotman | you already said it works |
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| 02:41.13 | Gun_Smoke | I don't think comcast cares.? |
| 02:41.33 | Zambezi | When I'm playing video in mplayer, the picture is small as a postcard. I have Lenny, Ratpoison (no Gnome, KDE, Xfce). I have an ATI HD 2xxx something PCI (not PCIe). I had 2-3 fps in Nexuiz, so mplayer might resizing the window? |
| 02:41.37 | dbbolton | is there a way to capture the tty display as a png image? |
| 02:41.38 | Hasanibrahim | abrotman: i am sorry, i mean, web site is working, yes |
| 02:41.38 | abrotman | somehow, i don' tthink they're on comcast |
| 02:41.49 | abrotman | dbbolton: camera |
| 02:41.56 | abrotman | Hasanibrahim: yes, networking problem |
| 02:41.57 | abrotman | !tr |
| 02:41.58 | dpkg | hmm... tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 02:42.32 | pgs | dbbolton: you can use gpm to copy/paste console text into a text file |
| 02:43.13 | Hasanibrahim | abrotman: i am sorry if i do mistake, but nobody is in debian.tr and i don't know wehere i must ask in ? |
| 02:43.15 | abrotman | dbbolton: you can use 'script' to copy the tty to a file |
| 02:43.35 | abrotman | Hasanibrahim: it sounds like you've configured the website and the server correctly .. it sounds like a networking issue |
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| 02:43.52 | abrotman | throws a snowball at pseubodot |
| 02:45.12 | magyar | hi, is there a way to test a harddrive in debian? |
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| 02:45.37 | abrotman | test it for what ? |
| 02:46.13 | Tramp | Hasanibrahim: I did not follow everything. You try to connect from /inside/ to a NATed server's public IP? |
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| 02:46.27 | abrotman | Tramp: he said that works |
| 02:46.55 | Tramp | abrotman: I read something about "gets to his modem's config-page" or the like ... |
| 02:46.56 | Hasanibrahim | friends, i am a windows user, my friend kokteyl is getting problem |
| 02:47.04 | Hasanibrahim | Tramp: yes |
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| 02:47.17 | Hasanibrahim | when he ry to connect from localhost or domain |
| 02:47.22 | Hasanibrahim | he is getting his modem page |
| 02:47.29 | abrotman | but the website works sometimes? |
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| 02:47.34 | Tramp | Hasanibrahim: this ususally does not work. Google "hairpin NAT" or "hairpinning" for why this does not work |
| 02:47.38 | magyar | abrotman: bad sectors etc |
| 02:47.38 | Hasanibrahim | he is getting his modem's config- page |
| 02:47.47 | jnewt | abrotman: thanks for looking, now kde shows my gateway in the routes tab! |
| 02:48.04 | Hasanibrahim | abrotman: he can't connect website, only i can :) |
| 02:48.11 | abrotman | that makes no sense |
| 02:48.15 | Hasanibrahim | he couldn't connect from his own machine. |
| 02:48.20 | abrotman | magyar: badblocks |
| 02:48.59 | magyar | abrotman: yeaps |
| 02:48.59 | Tramp | Hasanibrahim: yes. See what I wrote above. The modem does not DNAT on the internal interface. And even if it would, it would not SNAT the outgoing packet. This is a rather advanced technique, which is almost never supported by SoHo NATing devices |
| 02:49.18 | abrotman | magyar: it's a program |
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| 02:49.54 | magyar | abrotman: :) is it in the repo? |
| 02:50.08 | abrotman | magyar: look yourself |
| 02:50.29 | marsje | \amethyst: my dhcp seems to be working fine now |
| 02:50.30 | magyar | abrotman: the default repos don't have it |
| 02:50.47 | abrotman | are you serious? you're failing *again* |
| 02:50.50 | Younix | wat |
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| 02:50.58 | marsje | goes to sleep |
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| 02:51.35 | magyar | bahh |
| 02:54.08 | magyar | e2fsprogs |
| 02:54.55 | misreckoning | IceWeasel likes to crash occasionally... where's the log stored? |
| 02:55.28 | magyar | misreckoning: haha, occasionally |
| 02:55.36 | magyar | few times a day |
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| 02:56.16 | misreckoning | magyar: well yeah, sort of :P but I like ffox anyways |
| 02:57.03 | Hasanibrahim | Tramp: abrotman , i found problem. |
| 02:57.04 | magyar | misreckoning: it's bearable |
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| 02:57.12 | abrotman | Hasanibrahim: which was? |
| 02:57.43 | Hasanibrahim | it's easy: adding "etc/host 127.0.0.1 sitename.com subdomain.sitename.com" is |
| 02:57.46 | Hasanibrahim | the answer |
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| 02:57.59 | magyar | hmmm |
| 02:58.04 | magyar | good on |
| 02:58.06 | magyar | one |
| 02:58.09 | Tramp | yes. You need split DNS resolution in this case. |
| 02:58.32 | Hasanibrahim | if somebody asks for debian, you can answer for this |
| 02:58.44 | Hasanibrahim | and this is not networking issue |
| 02:58.54 | Tramp | it is. It has nothing to do with Debian |
| 02:58.55 | abrotman | it is ... |
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| 02:59.08 | Hasanibrahim | i am not using debian because of this |
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| 02:59.14 | abrotman | it's a networking issue .. |
| 02:59.26 | Samuel-NotAFK | My system clock is moving too fast, abrotman. |
| 02:59.27 | Hasanibrahim | you, helpers, don't want to help users, debian users |
| 02:59.37 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 02:59.53 | abrotman | Samuel-NotAFK: i asked you before if your hwclock was also going too fast .. you didn't answer |
| 03:00.34 | Samuel-NotAFK | abrotman: I don't know how to find out. |
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| 03:00.46 | Samuel-NotAFK | hwclock reports: Sat 14 Mar 2009 03:01:13 GMT -0.001037 seconds |
| 03:01.13 | Samuel-NotAFK | Which is different from what date reports. |
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| 03:01.54 | Hasanibrahim | and so if you want to debian - in - all world, i think you must help on all debian problems.. i am sorry if i use a world to broke your heart |
| 03:01.54 | Samuel-NotAFK | But hwclock is also wrong. |
| 03:02.12 | Samuel-NotAFK | abrotman: So both hwclock and date report incorrect times. |
| 03:02.18 | abrotman | Hasanibrahim: have a nice day |
| 03:02.32 | Hasanibrahim | you too |
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| 03:02.45 | abrotman | Samuel-NotAFK: you should be using ntp .. over time it should go away |
| 03:03.06 | jnewt | are there any entries that are required in the kernel routing table to ping an external modem from a nic? |
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| 03:03.40 | Samuel-NotAFK | abrotman: I'm using ntp and my clock is still going forwards. |
| 03:03.51 | abrotman | it takes some time |
| 03:04.08 | Samuel-NotAFK | abrotman: A dpkg-reconfigure ntp seems to solve the problem when I find that my clock is 30 mins ahead the next day. |
| 03:04.20 | abrotman | there is a drift file you can configure |
| 03:04.24 | Samuel-NotAFK | abrotman: The difference between true and indicated time keeps increasing. |
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| 03:05.15 | GhostlyDeath | Oh |
| 03:05.19 | GhostlyDeath | There was a command or something |
| 03:05.24 | GhostlyDeath | to set the OS clock |
| 03:05.27 | GhostlyDeath | to the BIOS clock time |
| 03:05.32 | GhostlyDeath | I forgot it though |
| 03:06.16 | Tramp | GhostlyDeath: hwclock. That's what they are talking about |
| 03:06.28 | Samuel-NotAFK | GhostlyDeath: hwclock is also incorrect though |
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| 03:06.53 | GhostlyDeath | Then your BIOS timer is too fast |
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| 03:07.36 | abrotman | Samuel-NotAFK: have you been screwing with your hardware like overclocking ? |
| 03:07.52 | Samuel-NotAFK | abrotman: Kinda. |
| 03:08.29 | Samuel-NotAFK | abrotman: I went from 1.6GHz to 1.8GHz and then to 0.8GHz and then to 1.6GHz and then to 0.8GHz-1.6GHz |
| 03:08.45 | abrotman | and your system just started having the clock go faster at the same time? |
| 03:08.58 | Samuel-NotAFK | abrotman: No. |
| 03:09.12 | Samuel-NotAFK | abrotman: I think it happened around the time I upgraded from Lenny to Squeeze. |
| 03:10.27 | Samuel-NotAFK | Should I flash my BIOS? |
| 03:10.41 | Samuel-NotAFK | I tried removing the battery for five minutes and putting it back in. |
| 03:10.45 | Samuel-NotAFK | And rebooting. |
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| 03:15.17 | Samuel-NotAFK | I'm surprised nobody knows how to solve my problem. |
| 03:16.48 | Samuel-NotAFK | I'm going to purge ntp and reinstall |
| 03:17.58 | jnewt | i am now able to ping 192.168.1.64 -I 192. 168.1.64 (eth0), the same for eth1 addy and ping 127.0.0.1, so I am getting closer to internet. what could be left? |
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| 03:20.22 | iateadonut | so, just installed debian, because, sometimes you just can't live without it. |
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| 03:20.45 | Samuel-NotAFK | iateadonut: Too right. |
| 03:21.03 | iateadonut | curious, what does anyone think is the best web browser on a system where you are trying to get as fast as possible (netinst, fluxbox) |
| 03:21.23 | SerajewelKS | iateadonut: elinks? |
| 03:21.25 | iateadonut | is firefox 3.5 any good? is it faster than before? or does someone have suggestion for another (graphical) one? |
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| 03:21.32 | bugjar | iateadonut - wget |
| 03:22.10 | khaije1_ | it's still in beta isn't it iateadonut ? |
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| 03:22.35 | Tramp | jnewt: *sigh*. The pastebin you showed previously shows a broken configuration. You have the same subnet (192.168.1.0/24) on two interfaces. |
| 03:22.46 | iateadonut | isn't everything open-source beta? |
| 03:22.56 | iateadonut | me ducks |
| 03:23.01 | iateadonut | ducks |
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| 03:23.54 | Rusty1 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/midori iateadonut |
| 03:23.58 | iateadonut | ok. elinks it is.s |
| 03:24.02 | iateadonut | thanks. |
| 03:24.53 | khaije1_ | iateadonut: are you aware of the epiphany or konqueror browsers? |
| 03:25.22 | iateadonut | actually, what i really want to do... why i installed debian, is to install a system onto a computer with no disk drives whose lan works but usb doesn't. |
| 03:25.39 | iateadonut | so, i was planning to do ltsp on this computer than i'm on now, and load it up like that. |
| 03:25.40 | Tramp | jnewt: (unless, of course, they really are in the same subnet) |
| 03:25.45 | iateadonut | does anyone have any better ideas? |
| 03:26.35 | khaije1_ | u can clonezilla (or alternate PXE server) to net-boot a system |
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| 03:27.32 | khaije1_ | this probably isn't a casual project and would take (me, at least) some reading |
| 03:28.02 | iateadonut | i realize. |
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| 03:28.07 | iateadonut | i already installed debian for it. |
| 03:28.29 | iateadonut | so, clonezilla, ltsp, what else are the options? |
| 03:30.10 | khaije1_ | are there any other i/o options, like cf or sd cards... that sort of thing? |
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| 03:30.34 | iateadonut | unfortunatey, no. |
| 03:30.34 | jnewt | Tramp: i haven't even gotten that far. i am going to split the subnets up later, but i don't even have eth1 up. i am just trying to ping from eth0 to the modem conn to it. So, they can be for now, or not... |
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| 03:30.38 | iateadonut | it's an old panasonic. |
| 03:30.42 | iateadonut | the USB doesn't work. |
| 03:31.07 | iateadonut | the lan might not work either, but it lights up the light on the router. |
| 03:32.09 | iateadonut | what's the apt-get command for search? |
| 03:32.14 | khaije1_ | it sounds like net-boot/pxe is your only option, ltsp and clonezilla are just example of software that provide this but there are others. if you look into it you can probably find an option thats appropriate for your project |
| 03:32.51 | iateadonut | right. |
| 03:33.15 | Tramp | jnewt: you just said you can ping eth1. So it's up and thus it may try to find your gateway on eth1. |
| 03:34.19 | khaije1_ | iateadonut: for example http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=all&keywords=netboot |
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| 03:35.43 | TurboBee | how do i add a boot splash screen to debian? |
| 03:35.45 | ajavid | heh |
| 03:35.51 | ajavid | I just did my first successful troll! |
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| 03:36.05 | ajavid | I have never been good at trolling, but I thought I'd try in #politics and it worked! |
| 03:36.08 | ajavid | yay! now I can die a happy man |
| 03:36.12 | ajavid | good night. |
| 03:36.16 | TurboBee | o.o |
| 03:36.24 | TurboBee | ajavid, you can't troll trolls |
| 03:36.27 | ajavid | lol |
| 03:36.30 | TurboBee | xD |
| 03:36.33 | ajavid | you da man |
| 03:36.35 | ajavid | g'nite |
| 03:36.37 | TurboBee | gnite |
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| 03:37.24 | Rusty1 | iateadonut: you might want apt-cache search or apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 03:39.10 | n3kl | What is the famd crap with lenny? |
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| 03:43.32 | PLAJ10 | I just installed debian, need help getting my ethernet working |
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| 03:44.43 | TurboBee | PLAJ10, what do you see when you type ifconfig |
| 03:44.56 | TurboBee | use pastebin.com |
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| 03:45.41 | PLAJ10 | can't even passte, i'm on a diff machine |
| 03:45.50 | TurboBee | do you see eth0 or eth0 in ifconfig? |
| 03:45.50 | PLAJ10 | i have eth0, eth1, and lo |
| 03:45.53 | TurboBee | ok good |
| 03:46.09 | TurboBee | do you know what the ip you need to use? |
| 03:46.16 | TurboBee | and gateway and such? |
| 03:46.29 | PLAJ10 | well, when i booted the machine with windows 2008, it reported 192.168.0.3 |
| 03:46.36 | PLAJ10 | i tried setting that during the text install no dice |
| 03:46.44 | TurboBee | sounds like you need dhcp |
| 03:46.44 | TurboBee | one sec |
| 03:47.01 | PLAJ10 | sure thanks |
| 03:47.09 | TurboBee | edit the text file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:47.25 | TurboBee | is there a section in there that says something about eth0? |
| 03:47.27 | PLAJ10 | can i do that through the GUI dialog? |
| 03:47.37 | TurboBee | if you have gui running sure |
| 03:47.40 | PLAJ10 | system -> administration -> network |
| 03:47.45 | TurboBee | oh |
| 03:47.50 | TurboBee | sorry I don't know the gui configuration |
| 03:47.50 | PLAJ10 | it says automatic configuration DHCP |
| 03:47.55 | TurboBee | well |
| 03:48.03 | TurboBee | you have two ethernet cards it looks like |
| 03:48.07 | PLAJ10 | i am very new to linux |
| 03:48.10 | PLAJ10 | i don't know how to edit text files |
| 03:48.23 | TurboBee | it's easy, you can use a gui text editor |
| 03:48.35 | TurboBee | from a terminal type gedit |
| 03:48.40 | TurboBee | that should get you a basic text editor |
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| 03:49.08 | TurboBee | let me know if that works |
| 03:49.10 | PLAJ10 | got it, yes there is a section that says etho0, allow-hotplug etho0 |
| 03:49.13 | PLAJ10 | iface etho0 inet dhcp |
| 03:49.20 | TurboBee | is there a section for eth1? |
| 03:49.39 | PLAJ10 | iface eth1 inet dhcp \r\n auto eth1 |
| 03:49.48 | TurboBee | \r\n? |
| 03:49.57 | PLAJ10 | carriage return line feed |
| 03:50.02 | PLAJ10 | tey are on separte lines |
| 03:50.04 | TurboBee | ok |
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| 03:50.31 | TurboBee | type route at the command line |
| 03:50.42 | TurboBee | does it show that you have a gateway? |
| 03:50.55 | PLAJ10 | looks like all i see are table headers |
| 03:50.57 | PLAJ10 | but no rows |
| 03:51.03 | TurboBee | hmm |
| 03:51.18 | TurboBee | try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 03:51.30 | TurboBee | then try pinging google |
| 03:51.33 | TurboBee | or something |
| 03:51.38 | limpio | hi, i've drawn a blank what is the name of the date format variations? str..something, can somebody help? |
| 03:51.42 | PLAJ10 | i have an asus kfsn5-d mobo, fairly new. says it uses nvidia chipset. i ran some command i forgot where i found it, and it said that there was a problem with a reversed engineered nvidia nforce driver |
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| 03:58.51 | PLAJ10 | i am trying that command, its doing a whole bunch of DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255. port 67 interval |
| 03:59.03 | TurboBee | has it tried that on eth1 yet? |
| 03:59.07 | TurboBee | or just eth0? |
| 03:59.11 | PLAJ10 | no its still trying eth0 |
| 03:59.14 | PLAJ10 | on various intervals |
| 03:59.15 | TurboBee | ctrl + c |
| 03:59.24 | PLAJ10 | no dhcp offers received |
| 03:59.33 | PLAJ10 | no working leases in persistent database |
| 03:59.57 | TurboBee | scratch that |
| 04:00.11 | TurboBee | type this at command prompt, killall -9 dhcpcd |
| 04:00.24 | TurboBee | and also, killall -9 dhclient |
| 04:00.26 | TurboBee | as root |
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| 04:00.33 | PLAJ10 | no process killed |
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| 04:00.39 | _abc_ | nite |
| 04:00.40 | TurboBee | then type, ps aux | grep dhc |
| 04:01.12 | _abc_ | can anyone tell me why going from 2.6.27.7 to 2.6.28.7 and using make oldconfig yields a kernel that makes my sata boot device disappear ? |
| 04:01.17 | TurboBee | does anything except for the grep process come up when you type that last command? |
| 04:01.33 | _abc_ | who, oh, who is on the bleeding edge here ? |
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| 04:01.53 | TurboBee | _abc_, sorry I don't like cutting myself ;) |
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| 04:02.19 | _abc_ | TurboBee: me neither, but i really hate it when i am the only one bleeding |
| 04:02.20 | PLAJ10 | ./usr/sbin/dhcdbd -- system |
| 04:02.22 | _abc_ | anyone else ? |
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| 04:02.35 | PLAJ10 | dhclient3 -pf /var/run/dhclient.etho0.pid |
| 04:03.05 | TurboBee | PLAJ10, type killall -9 dhclient3 |
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| 04:03.11 | TurboBee | PLAJ10, type killall -9 dhcdbd |
| 04:03.15 | PLAJ10 | done |
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| 04:03.17 | PLAJ10 | now all i get is grep |
| 04:03.21 | TurboBee | excellent |
| 04:03.30 | TurboBee | type dhclient eth1 |
| 04:04.15 | _abc_ | so what can eat my sda ?! |
| 04:04.35 | TurboBee | _abc_, did you load the module for your sata device? |
| 04:04.39 | _abc_ | the emergency shell lets me run fdisk -l and it's empty |
| 04:04.40 | TurboBee | or is it built in? |
| 04:04.46 | _abc_ | TurboBee: all the satas are hard compiled in |
| 04:04.48 | PLAJ10 | no dhcpoffers received |
| 04:04.57 | TurboBee | PLAJ10, ok lets try static configuration |
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| 04:05.03 | PLAJ10 | should i try eth0? |
| 04:05.06 | _abc_ | TurboBee: plus the dmesg log shows the partitions (sda1 ...) |
| 04:05.08 | TurboBee | wouldn't hurt |
| 04:05.24 | _abc_ | just that by the time init runs the drive is gone. |
| 04:05.26 | canros | somebody can help me? |
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| 04:05.35 | TurboBee | _abc_, weird I don't know off the top of my head sorry |
| 04:05.48 | _abc_ | i also tried to load the modules for a sd card but that's not seen either |
| 04:05.53 | canros | am using Debian etch in my old Ibook G3, somebody with experience using PPC? or Macintosh? |
| 04:06.10 | TurboBee | _abc_, I would just double check that everything is still set to be compiled in on your kernel config |
| 04:06.27 | PLAJ10 | ok i'm ready to try static |
| 04:06.29 | _abc_ | TurboBee: well i am trying to compare the dmesg but there is no place to save it to |
| 04:06.36 | TurboBee | PLAJ10, if eth0 doesn't work kill off the dhclient crap and then run sudo gedit |
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| 04:06.44 | TurboBee | er actually |
| 04:06.45 | TurboBee | no |
| 04:06.49 | TurboBee | type, gksudo gedit |
| 04:07.21 | TurboBee | PLAJ10, lemme know if that works, you may have to install gksudo |
| 04:07.21 | PLAJ10 | done |
| 04:07.25 | TurboBee | did you get gedit? |
| 04:07.28 | PLAJ10 | yes |
| 04:07.36 | TurboBee | cool, open the interfaces file again |
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| 04:07.45 | PLAJ10 | the sudo command also worked |
| 04:07.48 | TurboBee | oh ok |
| 04:07.51 | TurboBee | sometimes it complains |
| 04:08.12 | PLAJ10 | ok i got it open |
| 04:08.15 | TurboBee | getting you a sample configuration file one sec |
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| 04:08.37 | TurboBee | also, just a side note (I'm sure this is already done but...) make sure your ethernet cable is plugged in :) |
| 04:08.44 | regulate | how to pin a package at specific version |
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| 04:09.55 | TurboBee | PLAJ10, this configuration should work for you, if not try the exact same thing except with eth1 instead of eth0 |
| 04:09.55 | TurboBee | http://pastebin.com/m4afe9aa5 |
| 04:10.10 | TurboBee | also delete everything else in that file (may want to make a backup first) |
| 04:10.33 | PLAJ10 | well that last hint did it |
| 04:10.39 | PLAJ10 | somehow my ethernet cable got loosed :( |
| 04:10.39 | TurboBee | you're on the net? |
| 04:10.43 | TurboBee | xD |
| 04:10.58 | PLAJ10 | its a bad cable |
| 04:11.02 | PLAJ10 | i jiggle the lights go out |
| 04:11.13 | TurboBee | well now we don't need to do static configuration :) |
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| 04:11.36 | PLAJ10 | thanks turbo for your help |
| 04:11.43 | TurboBee | np, sometimes it is the simple things that stump us the most |
| 04:11.51 | _abc_ | is ahci necessary for sata ? |
| 04:11.54 | PLAJ10 | where is a good resource for me to learn more about linux |
| 04:11.57 | PLAJ10 | books websites etc |
| 04:11.59 | Rusty1 | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html regulate scroll down a ways |
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| 04:12.20 | PLAJ10 | debian |
| 04:12.32 | _abc_ | hmm it is enabled |
| 04:12.32 | TurboBee | PLAJ10, I google everything I want to know. I guess reading the debian manual might be a good start |
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| 04:12.59 | jnewt | Tramp: you still here, got a funny one! |
| 04:13.18 | PLAJ10 | will do that. thansk again turbo, i'm gonna go explore my new linux :) |
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| 04:13.23 | TurboBee | enjoy ;) |
| 04:13.56 | Tramp | jnewt: really? |
| 04:14.04 | _abc_ | ok, who is running 2.6.28 with boot device on sata ? |
| 04:14.07 | _abc_ | stand up and be counted |
| 04:14.23 | _abc_ | 2.6.28.x |
| 04:14.40 | _abc_ | especially someone who upgraded from 2.6.27 |
| 04:14.47 | _abc_ | sync |
| 04:14.47 | jnewt | no, i was listening in on the conv w/TurboBee, and decided to check the cables, one was bad. now i get the modem with ping! |
| 04:15.10 | TurboBee | XD |
| 04:15.12 | TurboBee | two for one |
| 04:15.13 | TurboBee | sweet |
| 04:15.42 | regulate | seriously, how do i pin my kernel pkg at a the current version |
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| 04:17.59 | \amethyst | !hold |
| 04:17.59 | dpkg | from memory, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
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| 04:21.32 | ramiro | hi |
| 04:22.06 | KineticBug | How do I check disk space/usage? |
| 04:22.10 | johnf | 'm packaging libkate. The orig.tar.gz contains some diff's against other GPL projects to enable them to support this codec. The diffs aren't distributed in the binaries. Does the copyright for the original code in the diffs need to appear in debian/copyright? I mean technically I suppose we are distributing code from those projects in the orig.tar.gz |
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| 04:23.40 | ramiro | I'm trying to create some debian packages. I'm reading some guides online, but it way too unnecessarily complex and long (specially the rules file from after dh_make). what are the minimal files I need to package into the .deb? |
| 04:23.45 | johnf | hmm pidgin crashed. Did I miss a reply? |
| 04:23.58 | \amethyst | johnf: you did not; #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might be more helpful with packaging questions |
| 04:24.06 | johnf | \amethyst: ok thanks |
| 04:24.09 | ramiro | I don't want changelog, readme, etc. |
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| 04:26.59 | allaun | is there a step by step guide on syncing dir's with rsync, preferably with pretty pictures? |
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| 04:28.13 | jpinx | allaun: man rsync ;) |
| 04:28.22 | jpinx | it's not hard |
| 04:28.32 | maher | allaun: rsync -av foo/ bar/ ??? |
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| 04:28.44 | allaun | when i do that it just says finished |
| 04:28.50 | allaun | but no syncing occured :/ |
| 04:29.17 | johnf | allaun: add a -v |
| 04:29.23 | jpinx | allaun: typically rsync -rv /contents/of/this/dir/ /to/this/dir |
| 04:29.31 | johnf | another -v that is |
| 04:29.44 | johnf | rsync tends to be fairly non-verbose unless you ask it to be |
| 04:29.45 | maher | allaun: if you get the ...../ in a twist then it might make /bar/foo |
| 04:30.00 | allaun | so, rsync -avv /mnt/foo /mnt/foo2? |
| 04:30.20 | jpinx | allaun: or rsync -rv /this/who/dir /into/this/dir |
| 04:30.25 | superme | hi everybody! i need help about iceweasel feature, about migrate to icecat and use gnash. I get no answer/help on the gnash channel. Do you suggest any channel for ? |
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| 04:31.00 | jpinx | allaun: sorry typo -- rsync -rv /this/whole/dir /into/this/dir |
| 04:31.11 | johnf | allaun: yeah give that a try you may need trailing / on the dirs. Depends what you are trying to sync. man page has more details but I usually just try the different slash combinations till it does what I want |
| 04:31.14 | jaggz1 | is something wrong with a virtual package? why can't I install nvidia drivers? nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686: Depends: nvidia-kernel-common (>= 20050829) which is a virtual package. |
| 04:31.31 | allaun | will output a status? its over 200 gigs :/ |
| 04:31.56 | jpinx | allaun: the trailing slash on the from dir will transfer the contents, not the actual dir |
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| 04:32.26 | jpinx | the v option makes it verbose |
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| 04:33.30 | jaggz1 | allaun, use -nvr I think for a "dry run" so it shows you what it's going to do |
| 04:33.44 | hark | jaggz1: make sure you have contrib enabled |
| 04:33.54 | allaun | thanx jaggz1 |
| 04:34.07 | allaun | basicly backing all my stuff to another drive over nfs |
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| 04:34.12 | allaun | so i can do a wipe |
| 04:35.34 | jaggz1 | rsync is convenient in case the destination file already exists.. but if nothing's there you can tar it up too.. tar -cf path | (cd /dest/path && tar -xvtf - ) |
| 04:35.34 | Samuel-NotAFK | allaun: My teacher told me today that paedophiles get caught when they delete stuff from their HDDs. |
| 04:35.34 | jpinx | allaun: you can use option --remove-source-files to delete succesfully transferred data |
| 04:35.34 | jaggz1 | take out the last tar's -t option when you see what you want |
| 04:35.34 | allaun | :p |
| 04:35.45 | allaun | the drive isnt mine, been "borrowing" it far too long |
| 04:35.53 | allaun | now my ex wants it back :p |
| 04:36.22 | jaggz1 | err.. tar -vtf - .. then make it tar -vxf - when you're ready for the actual copy |
| 04:36.48 | jaggz1 | hark, thanks.. It seems to be working now :) |
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| 04:37.06 | jpinx | allaun: then use the --remove-source-files option and afterwards do a dd if=/dev/random of=/dir/you/want/to/clear |
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| 04:37.11 | jaggz1 | any reason why I'd compile it with module assistant (m-a) instead of using the pre-compiled versions? |
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| 04:37.52 | RedEyess | k... just want to say this.. Debian 5 rocks! |
| 04:38.06 | RedEyess | i am using it on my laptop and it's pretty good |
| 04:38.15 | RedEyess | i have tried a couple other distros recently |
| 04:38.25 | SerajewelKS | jpinx: you can't dd onto a directory |
| 04:38.26 | allaun | debian is usually on my top 5 distros |
| 04:38.56 | jaggz1 | even overwriting those files will not prevent high level data recovery :) I have no clue why I'm sharing this.. if anyone knows why I'd tend to share such a thing please inform me a bit about myself. |
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| 04:39.02 | Arafangion | allaun: Debian is usually on my top 3 distros. :) |
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| 04:39.26 | allaun | i usually get fed up at one point or another and switch almost montly |
| 04:39.27 | allaun | :p |
| 04:39.29 | \amethyst | there are people who would rank five other distros above debian? |
| 04:39.36 | RedEyess | usability wise, it's pretty decent. it has alot of plugins already in IceWeasel |
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| 04:39.57 | RedEyess | I first used Debian way back when there were zip drives |
| 04:40.06 | allaun | so did is |
| 04:40.10 | allaun | did i |
| 04:40.10 | RedEyess | and i didn't go back to using it until 2002 |
| 04:40.10 | Arafangion | \amethyst: My top three are probably Debian, Ubuntu, and PuppyLinux, in that order. |
| 04:40.15 | allaun | 3.0r1 |
| 04:40.16 | RedEyess | it was painful back then |
| 04:40.27 | Arafangion | RedEyess: I started with Potato. :) |
| 04:40.29 | allaun | it was interesting |
| 04:40.31 | Arafangion | RedEyess: Never left since. |
| 04:40.34 | SerajewelKS | my top distribution is debian because no other distro i have tried gets past the boot process on the install CD |
| 04:40.35 | RedEyess | cool |
| 04:40.38 | jaggz1 | yeah well you say potato and I say potato |
| 04:40.40 | Arafangion | has to use Vista at work, oh, the PAIN! |
| 04:40.47 | allaun | heh |
| 04:41.20 | RedEyess | sorry to hear that arafangion |
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| 04:42.50 | jnewt | i am having trouble getting outside of my modem now, and i think it is due to the resolv.conf file. how do i check that the interface is using the correct nameservers? |
| 04:42.51 | allaun | too bad you don't have qemu on a stick |
| 04:42.51 | allaun | :p |
| 04:43.21 | jaggz1 | interface doesn't determine ns's does it? |
| 04:43.28 | jaggz1 | those are global to system |
| 04:44.12 | jaggz1 | unless you're using .. whatever the service is which auto-retrieves ip, gw, dns, etc. |
| 04:44.14 | jnewt | no, it only gives the stuff from interfaces file. |
| 04:45.04 | jnewt | jaggz1: i have to specify the ns, they are outside of the modem, at least that's how i did it with all my windows machines. |
| 04:45.42 | jnewt | i give a static ip, set the modem as the gw and the ns are provided by the isp. thats how i did it before. |
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| 04:46.04 | jaggz1 | hmm.. it is there in interfaces.. dns-nameservers 69.26.170.3 |
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| 04:46.25 | jaggz1 | where does that entry go if you have multiple interfaces?? |
| 04:46.37 | \amethyst | jaggz1: do you have the 'resolvconf' package installed? if not, nothing will look at the dns-nameservers entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:46.52 | \amethyst | jaggz1: name server definitions go in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:47.05 | jaggz1 | network scripts automatically edit resolv.conf? |
| 04:47.12 | jnewt | i went over this with someone earlier, the dns servers go in resolv.conf, the ip gw, network, netmask and iface go in interface |
| 04:47.19 | \amethyst | jaggz1: the 'resolvconf' package contains network scripts that do so |
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| 04:47.38 | jaggz1 | gotcha.. thanks.. always edited it by hand I thought.. okay.. spiffy |
| 04:47.52 | \amethyst | jaggz1: and the dhcp client can overwrite resolv.conf, too |
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| 04:48.20 | jaggz1 | okay.. should I go out and spend time with people in life (vs. irc) or try to install my new graphics card which will make it too late to go out? |
| 04:48.47 | jnewt | go get drunk. |
| 04:48.52 | jaggz1 | okay.. so they all go there... cool thanks. |
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| 04:49.02 | jaggz1 | but I don't think I drink |
| 04:49.23 | jnewt | if you only think, you do, if you didn't, you would know. |
| 04:50.23 | jpinx | how can I replicate the actions of the video grabber add-on in Iceweasel by using the command line to grab a video from a youtube webpage? |
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| 04:51.39 | jnewt | damn, same problem again, i keep loosing the gateway address? wtf? |
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| 04:54.45 | durrango | hellO |
| 04:54.55 | jnewt | hello |
| 04:54.57 | durrango | i installed iceweasel. |
| 04:55.02 | durrango | it doesent work. |
| 04:55.14 | PLAJ10 | hey guys i'm back again :) -- I tried installing AIM package downloaded with iceweasel, but when i run dpkg it says taht file looks like it might be an archive which has been corrupted? |
| 04:55.51 | durrango | iceweasel wont go to https://mail.kutztown.edu/ |
| 04:56.08 | PLAJ10 | I notice the package says 386, can i install that on x64 build? |
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| 04:56.32 | durrango | here is the error http://rafb.net/p/ruHTMn21.html |
| 04:57.06 | \amethyst | durrango: what does date say? |
| 04:57.19 | durrango | the result of the date command ? |
| 04:57.22 | durrango | oh it's way off. |
| 04:57.33 | \amethyst | that would be the problem :) |
| 04:57.42 | durrango | thanx, i gotta get ntp on here |
| 04:57.58 | \amethyst | durrango: though their certificate *does* expire in 7 days |
| 04:58.08 | \amethyst | durrango: presumably they've got a new one ready to drop in |
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| 04:58.36 | durrango | ntp or openntp |
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| 05:05.14 | simonrvn | openntp != ntp |
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| 05:06.44 | durrango | !nvidia |
| 05:06.45 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 05:07.14 | durrango | !nvidia pre-built |
| 05:07.14 | dpkg | aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). |
| 05:07.25 | durrango | wow a one liner |
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| 05:08.40 | simonrvn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 05:08.40 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 05:08.53 | simonrvn | same factoid... |
| 05:08.59 | jnewt | ok, i have my internet connection after 8 hours... for some reason i have to do a route add default gw 192.168.1.254 for my modem after bringin up the eth0 interface, even though it loads the rest of the info from the interfaces file (ip, subnet, etc.) why would this be? |
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| 05:20.43 | schutzhund | howdy all |
| 05:21.36 | Srart | anyone here get a bluetooth headset working with alsa? |
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| 05:21.52 | Srart | no bt_sco |
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| 05:27.05 | durrango | actually my time is not way off. i dont think. |
| 05:27.15 | durrango | it's just in military time |
| 05:27.29 | durrango | date is correct |
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| 05:37.21 | _abc_ | why would someone's date be off and how can you tell on irc ?! |
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| 05:37.58 | Younix | so i can't find the 'convert' tool through aptitude |
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| 05:42.55 | pgs | Younix: for converting image formats? look for the imagemagic package |
| 05:43.14 | Younix | pgs: already found it |
| 05:43.24 | Younix | unfortunately, it makes the images 200% smaller |
| 05:43.24 | Younix | ;/ |
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| 05:47.44 | amadeus | Hello I am trying to compile wine for 64studio I have asked the Wine channel but no one has the answer I need, I am using Debian Etch. Could someone please show a link to the right respository for Debian Etch? |
| 05:48.52 | somiaj | just notice that iceape has been removed from lenny, and is now no longer in sid as my install of iceape isn't working that well anymore. Anyone know of any options to keep running iceape/seamonkey in debian? [just looking cause I prefer it over firefox] |
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| 05:51.20 | Younix | wow dpkg has no mention of lxde |
| 05:51.54 | Srart | galeon? |
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| 05:52.40 | khaije1_ | isn't lxde a little hyped? is it really better than open/fluxbox or xfce ? |
| 05:53.07 | khaije1_ | just wondering what the opinions are, i wasn't impressed w/ it at all |
| 05:53.21 | streuner | somiaj: are you sure? |
| 05:53.34 | streuner | judd, versions iceape-browser |
| 05:53.34 | judd | streuner: iceape-browser -- etch: 1.0.13~pre080323b-0etch3 etch-security: 1.0.13~pre080614i-0etch1 |
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| 05:59.12 | somiaj | streuner: packages.debian.org/iceape and apt-cache search iceape in sid both agree with me |
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| 05:59.30 | streuner | somiaj: yes :-) - http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceape.html |
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| 06:01.51 | somiaj | streuner: yea I have the old 1.1.14-1.1 on my machine, but its security component doesn't work with other packages anymore, so I'm forced to change, just annoying cause I don't like firefox as much as seamonkey |
| 06:01.57 | streuner | somiaj: pdo doesnt show much for me too, but apt-cache should give you some results |
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| 06:02.36 | streuner | modern browsers sucks, but feel free to create another one :-) |
| 06:02.49 | somiaj | streuner: the onlything left is just the -dev files and some langague packs, the actual binary is gone |
| 06:03.26 | somiaj | streuner: I agree with that, iceape was just the one I finally got along with the best, it had nice easy to access menus for cookie/image/popup managament and didn't irrtate me as baddly |
| 06:04.39 | somiaj | I understand the reason linked int he dkpg factoid for not being able to support them in lenny, was just hoping there was an unoffical seamonkey package I could use, for personal use I don't mind the 'non-freeness' |
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| 06:06.02 | mischief6 | anyone know of a socks5 proxy daemon with authentication, possible sql auth? |
| 06:06.06 | mischief6 | possibly* |
| 06:06.26 | mischief6 | Younix, aptitude search |
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| 06:09.25 | somiaj | hmm, guess there isn't a newer version than 1.1.14 of seamonkey, maybe I can figure out why the security SSL component isn't working. |
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| 06:12.59 | streuner | somiaj: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/i/iceape/current/changelog |
| 06:13.07 | scribeskul | Hey guys, Is there anyway to get GLX working with two different Video Cards & Xinerama, or something similar? I am using an AGP Nvidia 5200 & a PCI Nvidia TNT. |
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| 06:15.30 | Bryanstein | Hey guys anyone know if there is a debian ppc channel? |
| 06:15.54 | Bryanstein | ah nevermind |
| 06:16.38 | streuner | dpkg, #debianppc |
| 06:16.39 | dpkg | hmm... #debianppc is /join #debian-ppc PowerPC port: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc. FAQs: Debian CDs are not and cannot be bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Info on proper partitioning can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt, the yaboot HOWTO can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/yaboot-howto.html |
| 06:17.02 | Bryanstein | I was trying debian-ppc |
| 06:17.24 | Bryanstein | oh no...it didn't work because I was in too many channels |
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| 06:22.11 | apo | Hi. I'm doing a netinstall of testing atm, and am stuck at the grub installation - no matter which mirror I select, I get "Couldn't fetch ... 404 no such domain" from wget |
| 06:22.22 | apo | I was able to get the other packages just fine :| |
| 06:22.26 | apo | Any ideas? |
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| 06:29.53 | scribeskul | no takers on the GLX problem? |
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| 06:35.25 | pibe86 | hellooooooooo |
| 06:35.53 | pibe86 | i didnt know that linux kernle was a clone of unix |
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| 06:37.26 | jnewt | hey, anyone familiar with shorewall setup? |
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| 06:39.49 | GinoMan | I have a question, is there anyway to blacklist a sudo user from installing certain packages while still allowing them to install software |
| 06:41.00 | pibe86 | GinoMan, i think i can be psible but i dont know how to |
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| 06:41.49 | GinoMan | hmm |
| 06:42.01 | Bsims{fs} | Hrm hows sid fairing these days |
| 06:42.17 | Bsims{fs} | debating coming Home to Mother Debian |
| 06:42.19 | GinoMan | because I have certain preferences and I want to let my friend on but he has the opposite preferences |
| 06:42.35 | GinoMan | (I'm a kde, he's a gnome, I'm a vim, he's an.... (nope, not emacs, nano)) |
| 06:43.03 | GinoMan | knowing him, he'll probably try to install those on there but I don't want him to |
| 06:43.12 | Bsims{fs} | GinoMan: Vim is the One editor unless you like elvis |
| 06:43.29 | GinoMan | no, I like vim |
| 06:43.39 | GinoMan | besides, I bought the oreily book on vi and vim |
| 06:43.41 | GinoMan | third ed |
| 06:44.01 | CentHOGG | :q! |
| 06:44.12 | GinoMan | right now I'm plugging though the sed and awk book |
| 06:44.23 | GinoMan | (just bought it last night |
| 06:44.23 | GinoMan | ) |
| 06:45.18 | Bsims{fs} | GinoMan: Oooh get the perl book if only for perl regex |
| 06:45.29 | GinoMan | I'd like to learn perl |
| 06:45.39 | GinoMan | but I'm still learning vim, sed, awk, and grep |
| 06:45.41 | Bsims{fs} | it shows up in the darnest places |
| 06:45.47 | GinoMan | but I finally get why grep is called grep |
| 06:45.49 | GinoMan | at least |
| 06:45.51 | GinoMan | :D |
| 06:46.05 | Bsims{fs} | for the little I do programing bash meets my needs |
| 06:46.36 | GinoMan | I just wrote one that printed the cake from portal on the terminal screen |
| 06:46.42 | Bsims{fs} | I am debating coming home to 5.0 after 4 yrs in ubuntu land |
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| 06:47.06 | GinoMan | doesn't like ubuntu |
| 06:47.09 | Bsims{fs} | grins I sadly left when Sarge was testing |
| 06:47.33 | Bsims{fs} | and at the time Sid wasn't installable |
| 06:47.45 | GinoMan | my friend loves to run sid |
| 06:47.50 | GinoMan | I think he's nuts |
| 06:48.11 | Bsims{fs} | GinoMan: apt-reportbugs and wait at least a week between updates |
| 06:48.39 | Bsims{fs} | grins I have grown to like kde 4.2 though |
| 06:48.40 | GinoMan | that's the other thing, how do I change my computer to testing if It's currently as stable |
| 06:48.55 | GinoMan | it's not bad... but I wish It was in the stable repos |
| 06:49.15 | GinoMan | and that people would write more apps for configuring it |
| 06:49.50 | GinoMan | everyone's switching to gnome it seems in leu of kde 4.0/1 |
| 06:50.32 | Bsims{fs} | GinoMan: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/releasenotes |
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| 06:51.06 | GinoMan | none of the links on that page seem to be working |
| 06:51.07 | Bsims{fs} | 4.0/4.1 in my opinion suck the farts out of dead cat butts... 4.2x is mostly stable |
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| 06:51.22 | scribeskul | First one to help me ith a GLX + Dual Monitor question gets a virtual cookie |
| 06:51.41 | GinoMan | gives scribeskul his "cake" |
| 06:51.53 | scribeskul | haha |
| 06:52.04 | apo | ... great. I set up full disk encryption, now debian wants me to input a password, but doesn't recognize my keyboard |
| 06:52.36 | scribeskul | Question is whether its possible to get GLX working on two video card system (1 AGP, 1 PCI), with a spanning desktop, i.e. Xinerama or similar |
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| 06:53.08 | Bsims{fs} | GinoMan: been eons but bascicaly change everything in /etc/apt/sources.list from stable to testing and do an aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 06:53.42 | Bsims{fs} | winks I left debian about the time aptitude became official |
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| 06:54.16 | GinoMan | http://pastebin.com/d308fc02b |
| 06:54.23 | GinoMan | this is for you scribeskul |
| 06:54.41 | Bsims{fs} | Oh I thought dat was for me and I was charmed |
| 06:55.27 | scribeskul | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.47 | GinoMan | that depends on if you understand the cake reference |
| 06:55.48 | Bsims{fs} | scribeskul: never tried that but try changing debian for ubuntu, they are kinda similar though now the packages aren't compatable |
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| 06:56.23 | Bsims{fs} | at least as a google keyword |
| 06:56.24 | scribeskul | ehh, going to stick with Deb haha It's where my heart lies |
| 06:56.54 | scribeskul | GinoMan: I'm afraid I am missing the cake reference haha |
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| 06:57.32 | GinoMan | scribeskul has obviously never played portal |
| 06:57.36 | Bsims{fs} | scribeskul: but its so delicious and moist |
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| 06:57.40 | GinoMan | HLOL |
| 06:57.51 | GinoMan | THE CAKE IS A LIE!!!!!!!!! |
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| 06:58.08 | scribeskul | hahaha |
| 06:58.16 | Bsims{fs} | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+cake+is+a+lie&l=1 |
| 06:58.31 | Bsims{fs} | scribeskul: click dat its worth it |
| 06:58.38 | Bsims{fs} | safe for work |
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| 06:59.28 | Bsims{fs} | grins its basicaly someone typing something into google and clicking for you |
| 06:59.39 | GinoMan | that's epic |
| 06:59.42 | GinoMan | I just saw it |
| 06:59.49 | GinoMan | I actually put that in my bookmark bar |
| 06:59.54 | Bsims{fs} | grins and it works with anything |
| 06:59.59 | scribeskul | hehe, thats pretty neat |
| 07:00.01 | GinoMan | that's great |
| 07:00.04 | Bsims{fs} | sadly no image search |
| 07:00.30 | Bsims{fs} | It even remembers which one you clicked |
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| 07:01.22 | Bsims{fs} | GinoMan: on a related note: http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/ |
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| 07:02.23 | GinoMan | http://pastebin.com/d3001304f |
| 07:02.24 | eitan | hello all |
| 07:02.27 | GinoMan | it wants to remove packages |
| 07:02.59 | eitan | I'm having trouble mounting a windows partition and a dos partition, can someone here help? |
| 07:03.03 | Bsims{fs} | Um paste it all so I can tell if dats a good thing or a bad thing |
| 07:03.20 | Bsims{fs} | Off hand I'd say bad |
| 07:04.17 | Bsims{fs} | got a question the debian package for skype is etch... will the ubuntu one work with Lenny? |
| 07:04.50 | Bsims{fs} | I pay gladly for skype as it mostly Just Works |
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| 07:05.50 | GinoMan | how do I make aptitude do the upgrade without removing things, only upgrading and installing |
| 07:06.08 | scribeskul | damnit...its never simple...seems xinerama doesn't support GLX |
| 07:06.10 | Bsims{fs} | It will do that on its own afraid ya really can't |
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| 07:07.07 | eitan | can anyone help with mounting a windows partition? |
| 07:07.48 | Winnipeg_Guy | bsim I use the etch package on skypes page with sqeeze... no problems so far. |
| 07:08.00 | Winnipeg_Guy | typed too slow |
| 07:08.02 | GinoMan | I can |
| 07:08.25 | GinoMan | eitan: what fs is it |
| 07:08.41 | eitan | ntfs |
| 07:09.03 | GinoMan | did you download the ntfs filesystem tools from apt? |
| 07:09.13 | eitan | no |
| 07:09.19 | Winnipeg_Guy | GinoMan: Usually it says, recommended solution... remove, install accept? Y, N, Cancel. Just say no, until you see the recomended solution you want. |
| 07:09.57 | GinoMan | search for ntfs in synaptic or aptitude and install the packages |
| 07:10.03 | GinoMan | then use the mount command |
| 07:10.21 | GinoMan | mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ntfs/ |
| 07:10.35 | eitan | there are a lot of different ntfs packages |
| 07:10.45 | GinoMan | assuming that /dev/sda1 is your ntfs drive |
| 07:10.50 | GinoMan | install them |
| 07:10.56 | Winnipeg_Guy | !ntfs-3g |
| 07:10.56 | dpkg | [ntfs-3g] a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 07:11.55 | GinoMan | what does it mean when a package name is followed by {u} |
| 07:12.18 | eitan | ok... let's put that aside for a moment, I'm also having trouble getting a dos fat partition to mount with write privileges |
| 07:12.29 | GinoMan | is it automounting? |
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| 07:12.55 | eitan | not exactly... I added a line to fstab for it that used to work with etch... it's not working with lenn |
| 07:13.13 | GinoMan | it doesn't have "ro" anywhere in that line, does it? |
| 07:13.32 | eitan | no |
| 07:13.33 | eitan | rw |
| 07:13.38 | Winnipeg_Guy | eitan: Did you read that link I ... I mean, dpkg gave you? |
| 07:13.43 | cahoot | eitan: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 07:13.50 | \amethyst | eitan: what is the fstab entry? |
| 07:14.02 | eitan | cd /etc |
| 07:14.04 | \amethyst | eitan: and how are you mounting it? |
| 07:14.07 | eitan | oops... hold on |
| 07:14.14 | GinoMan | always think "f-stab" rather than F.S. tab |
| 07:14.34 | eitan | /dev/hdb1 /mnt/c ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=1000,uid=1000,fmask=03$ |
| 07:14.34 | eitan | /dev/hdb5 /mnt/d vfat rw,user,auto,gid=1000,uid=1000,fmask=03$ |
| 07:15.11 | Winnipeg_Guy | yikes |
| 07:15.32 | \amethyst | GinoMan: it's the more aggressive counterpart to f-prot |
| 07:15.33 | GinoMan | it won't let me choose how to resolve the packages |
| 07:15.35 | scribeskul | Well, Clerks is over...time for a joint and...Clerks 2!! |
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| 07:16.11 | \amethyst | eitan: is that dollar sign in the file, or does that come from your editor? |
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| 07:17.19 | eitan | .... no it's not supposed to be $... it's supposed to be fmask=0333,umask=0222 0 0 |
| 07:17.34 | \amethyst | oh |
| 07:17.58 | \amethyst | eitan: the fmask and umask both turn off write |
| 07:18.30 | \amethyst | eitan: use 0133 and 0022 if you want user 1000 to be able to write to it |
| 07:18.39 | eitan | ok... |
| 07:18.41 | eitan | hold on |
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| 07:19.44 | \amethyst | eitan: (the masks are the bits to turn off: 0777 (all permissions) - 0333 = 0444, which is read permission for everybody and nothing else |
| 07:20.18 | \amethyst | 0777 - 0133 gives 0644 which is probably what you want (read for everybody, write for the owner, user 1000) |
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| 07:21.06 | eitan | \amethyst: ok... well I want both partitions to be read/write for user 1000 and admin |
| 07:21.48 | \amethyst | eitan: by admin you mean root? or you have another user named 'admin'? |
| 07:21.51 | eitan | Well.. I put in 0133 and 0022 and it still has little lock symbols on all the files in gnome |
| 07:21.58 | eitan | root |
| 07:22.15 | \amethyst | eitan: what does ls -ld /mnt/d say? |
| 07:22.22 | \amethyst | after it's mounted, that is |
| 07:22.47 | eitan | dr-xr-xr-x 24 eitan eitan 16384 1969-12-31 16:00 /mnt/d |
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| 07:23.42 | \amethyst | eitan: hm... does adding dmask=0022 as well help? |
| 07:24.06 | \amethyst | (and unmounting and remounting of course) |
| 07:26.28 | eitan | I did that... it didn't help. |
| 07:26.45 | eitan | It's strange how my old settings worked with etch and not with lenny |
| 07:27.17 | \amethyst | are you mounting it from the command line or from GNOME? |
| 07:27.32 | eitan | gnome |
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| 07:28.22 | \amethyst | eitan: what if you try it from the command line? umount /mnt/d; mount /mnt/d |
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| 07:29.17 | \amethyst | the blessed +2 Magicbane ? |
| 07:29.19 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 07:29.44 | eitan | ok... that worked... but how do I get it to stay mounted after reboot? |
| 07:29.59 | eitan | what's wrong with my fstab? |
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| 07:32.14 | \amethyst | eitan: hm... it doesn't have a 'noauto' option, so it should be mounted on boot |
| 07:33.03 | eitan | hmmm... so this manual mount was just necessary for this one time |
| 07:33.05 | eitan | right? |
| 07:33.22 | \amethyst | it should be |
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| 07:34.12 | \amethyst | but if you had an fstab entry without noauto, and it wasn't being mounted at all on boot, something must have been wrong and prevented it from being mounted |
| 07:34.39 | \amethyst | as for the ntfs partition: you'll probably want to use nfts-3g |
| 07:34.43 | \amethyst | !ntfs-3g |
| 07:34.43 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 07:35.34 | scribeskul | well, i give up for now... there has GOT to be someway to get GLX working on at least one of these moniters |
| 07:35.36 | eitan | Is it only ntfs-3g that I have to install? there are a whole bunch of other files that relate to ntfs rw... ignore them? |
| 07:36.44 | hark | eitan: other files like? |
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| 07:37.44 | hark | scribeskul: try #nvidia |
| 07:37.47 | eitan | well there's a whole bunch of lib files... |
| 07:38.07 | scribeskul | hark: Thanks! I'll give them a visit |
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| 07:38.36 | \amethyst | eitan: if you install ntfs-3g it will automatically pull in the libraries it needs |
| 07:39.20 | eitan | cool... thanks |
| 07:39.55 | eitan | hmmm.. so why can't I read my ntfs partition already? I didn't have to install the ntfs-3g with etch to just read the partition... |
| 07:40.09 | eitan | I think I need to mount! hold on. |
| 07:40.17 | Gokee2_laptop | Hello all, I am trying to get Debian lenny to install on LVM on software raid. Everything seems to go fine except a error about the kernel not being able to reread /dev/md127 (somehow my first device on raid normally was /dev/md0 has changed to /dev/md127 did it one day while booting up in suse). So the problem is on bootup I get error 15 from grub while loading stage 1.5. I am in the rescue mode on the system now and /boot seems to |
| 07:40.17 | Gokee2_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.36 | eitan | wow... it works... thanks! |
| 07:42.34 | eitan | \amethyst ... thank you so much... I think I'll call it quits for today. |
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| 07:43.55 | eitan | bye all |
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| 08:00.55 | CuteAlien | hi. Do you know how I can get rid of my onboard soundcard? It's disabled in BIOS, but drivers for it are still loaded and it's messing up java which often tries to access that soundcard instead of another one which is installed. |
| 08:02.27 | cahoot | CuteAlien: also need rconfigure initramfs |
| 08:02.45 | cahoot | CuteAlien: see /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 08:04.21 | Gokee2_laptop | If I do "/usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/md0" I get "out of partition" Anyone know what that message means? |
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| 08:10.23 | CuteAlien | cahoot, thx |
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| 08:17.10 | Gokee2_laptop | Looks like I forgot to mount /boot once inside the rescue cd |
| 08:17.49 | apo | >< |
| 08:18.05 | apo | I can't get my NAT to work >< |
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| 08:24.48 | kamp2tux | downloaded Adobe flash (from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/) not work for Lenny x64 bit, please advise. TQ |
| 08:25.03 | SerajewelKS | kamp2tux: use the nonfree package |
| 08:25.11 | SerajewelKS | judd: versions flashplayer-nonfree |
| 08:25.12 | judd | SerajewelKS: flashplayer-nonfree -- |
| 08:25.27 | SerajewelKS | hmms |
| 08:25.33 | SerajewelKS | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 08:25.34 | judd | SerajewelKS: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.5 |
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| 08:25.39 | kamp2tux | please advise me the link to the source ? |
| 08:25.41 | SerajewelKS | kamp2tux: install that ^^ |
| 08:26.15 | SerajewelKS | kamp2tux: either from the sid or the lenny-backports nonfree repo |
| 08:26.19 | SerajewelKS | erm, contrib |
| 08:26.38 | kamp2tux | i ma newbie from ubuntu |
| 08:27.04 | SerajewelKS | kamp2tux: are you using debian or ubuntu? |
| 08:27.40 | kamp2tux | i formatted my harddisk and now installed with only Debian lenny |
| 08:28.27 | SerajewelKS | kamp2tux: do you know how to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to add alternate repositories? |
| 08:28.28 | kamp2tux | I know nothing about the necessary repo 'source' for all non-free package |
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| 08:29.10 | SerajewelKS | kamp2tux: see http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 08:29.15 | kamp2tux | yes, i know about the sources.list (i know how to edit with root account) just that I know nothing what to include |
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| 08:30.32 | SerajewelKS | kamp2tux: that url will tell you what to add |
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| 08:31.30 | kamp2tux | what is the different between debian-multimedia.org and packports.org -- Can i mix both in my sources.list ? |
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| 08:38.14 | kang1 | intel gma915 how to improve the refresh of the external CRT monitor into 85hz using dual head (the native notebook refresh is 60hz) |
| 08:38.57 | SerajewelKS | kamp2tux: yes, you can have both |
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| 08:39.50 | Wyzard | kang1: xorg autodetects the monitor's supported frequency ranges and uses the fastest refresh rate the monitor supports for the resolution you're running at |
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| 08:40.44 | kang1 | but in window xp, the external monitor can reach 85hz |
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| 08:41.24 | MarkG123 | Hi, I want to install Opera as my web browser (I dislike Firefox and it's constant security flaws), I can just download it, but I would rather get it through apt-get Apparently I need to enable the universe and multiverse to get Opera, but I can't find any like that tells me how to do this. |
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| 08:41.39 | apo | Can somebody help me with my NAT setup? My router is forwarding the packets that are supposed to go out, but apparently not accepting the responses. |
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| 08:41.46 | Wyzard | MarkG123: "universe" and "multiverse" are Ubuntu repositories, not Debian |
| 08:41.46 | apo | This is my iptables stuff: http://sprunge.us/OBcB |
| 08:42.14 | MarkG123 | so can I get Opera in Debian through the package manager? |
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| 08:43.33 | Wyzard | MarkG123: It doesn't seem to be in the official Debian repositories |
| 08:43.37 | MarkG123 | Seems much of the online documentation treats Debian and Ubuntu as the same, so newbies make stupid mistake like this... Grr, just spent ages trying to find options to enable these repos. |
| 08:43.43 | Wyzard | MarkG123: There might be an unofficial package available somewhere |
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| 08:44.52 | Supaplex | apo: what are you using to verify? |
| 08:45.09 | apo | Supaplex: iptables LOG rule |
| 08:45.27 | apo | Mar 14 09:45:13 gregory kernel: [ 6475.996027] IN=eth0 OUT=ppp0 SRC=10.8.1.2 DST=74.125.45.100 LEN=84 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=63 ID=0 DF PROTO=ICMP TYPE=8 CODE=0 ID=2828 SEQ=1 |
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| 08:46.41 | Supaplex | you have a lot of log rules, but no log prefix. it would be more clear what rules are generating logs if you used prefix too. |
| 08:47.22 | apo | Supaplex: Only one of the rules was hand-written ^^; I got the setup script from here: http://easyfwgen.morizot.net/gen/index.php |
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| 08:47.36 | apo | Supaplex: But it did work perfectly before the new install |
| 08:47.40 | apo | So I'm kind of puzzled. |
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| 08:48.35 | apo | Actually... |
| 08:48.42 | apo | How do I find out what it's doing to a packet? |
| 08:49.02 | alexfranci | Hello! I have an usbpen crypted with dm-crypt (LUKS with AES-256) and i would like to use it also in computer where i don't have root privileges (for example my university lab). how can i do? |
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| 08:52.14 | Supaplex | alexfranci: usermode linux? |
| 08:52.46 | alexfranci | Supaplex, does usermode linux need root privileges? |
| 08:52.56 | alexfranci | or a special module into the kernel? |
| 08:53.01 | alexfranci | or something like that... |
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| 08:53.17 | Supaplex | no special requirements. |
| 08:53.18 | Supaplex | !uml |
| 08:53.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, uml is User Mode Linux (ask me about <user mode linux>), or Unified Modeling Language |
| 08:53.36 | Supaplex | a kernel module will assist the guest, but it's not a requirement. |
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| 09:01.22 | kang1 | is this possible the refresh of external crt monitor can be set at 85hz under the native refresh is 60hz? |
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| 09:05.29 | virhilo | kang1: yes possible: |
| 09:05.47 | virhilo | but it 'll be more hot;) |
| 09:06.54 | kang1 | i use intel gma 915 . someone said the drive of this card is weak. so now the problem can not be solve. |
| 09:07.14 | alexfranci | Supaplex, |
| 09:07.16 | alexfranci | afranci@gisella:/tmp/uml$ ./kernel64-2.6.28.1 -ubd0=./Debian-4.0-x86-root_fs |
| 09:07.16 | alexfranci | -bash: ./kernel64-2.6.28.1: cannot execute binary file |
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| 09:09.04 | Supaplex | alexfranci: ls -l ker* |
| 09:09.18 | alexfranci | -rwxrwx--- 1 afranci afranci 55268377 Jan 21 11:43 kernel64-2.6.28.1 |
| 09:09.28 | alexfranci | the permissions seems okay |
| 09:09.30 | alexfranci | *seem |
| 09:09.44 | alexfranci | it's strange. |
| 09:09.50 | Supaplex | alexfranci: echo -e "#!/bin/sh\necho hello world" > atest ; chmod 755 atest ; ./atest |
| 09:10.02 | TurboBee | can anyone here help me get my mic working with skype? |
| 09:10.08 | Garp | Hi. Question: I have a lot of installed fonts, but choosing one among them is very hard (lets say under Gimp or OOo) because there is no hierachy, or any kind of ordering (by language, type, etc.) is there a good font chooser I could use to quickly find a font that fits my need? Thanks. |
| 09:10.12 | TurboBee | it seems to make noise through my speakers when i unmute the mic |
| 09:10.22 | TurboBee | but skype doesn't pick up anything ffrom the mic |
| 09:10.57 | alexfranci | Supaplex, afranci@gisella:/tmp/uml$ gcc -o prova prova.c |
| 09:10.57 | alexfranci | afranci@gisella:/tmp/uml$ ./prova |
| 09:11.02 | alexfranci | it works |
| 09:11.07 | Garp | TurboBee: maybe it doesnt listen to the right input (Line/micro switch is often to look at) |
| 09:11.15 | Supaplex | alexfranci: file -k ker* |
| 09:11.26 | TurboBee | Garp, where can i go to change that? |
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| 09:11.30 | Supaplex | alexfranci: or ldd ker* |
| 09:11.43 | alexfranci | afranci@gisella:/tmp/uml$ ldd ker* |
| 09:11.44 | alexfranci | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.53 | Garp | TurboBee: I dunno, under KDE you have 'kmix' that can help |
| 09:12.07 | apo | Does anybody know how I can find out what exactly iptables is doing to a packet? |
| 09:12.56 | Supaplex | apo: there's no tracing framework afaik... between rules and tcpdump, you should be able to piece most of the picture together. |
| 09:13.10 | Supaplex | s/rules/log rules/ |
| 09:13.19 | apo | sighs |
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| 09:13.38 | Garp | TurboBee: outside of looking at the code ? |
| 09:13.42 | Garp | oups |
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| 09:14.35 | seria-mau | how can i use mailcheck over stunnel4? i always get "connection refused" but i can use mutt and imap via telnet over the tunnel |
| 09:14.50 | TurboBee | well I am trying to change mixer settings but no luck :/ |
| 09:15.08 | Garp | TurboBee: then I have no more idea, sorry |
| 09:15.17 | hoxu | !tell apo about iptables flowchart |
| 09:15.19 | TurboBee | thanks for your help |
| 09:15.34 | Supaplex | alexfranci: I'd google the resulting error as a phrase. you've already proven simple executables run, and that the binary is static. I'm not sure if it's for your platform (though I'll assume it is), or if it's damaged somehow, or something else I don't know. check syslog just to see if there are any interesting errors. Are you running grsec/selinux/etc? |
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| 09:16.04 | alexfranci | check syslog just to see if there are any interesting errors. |
| 09:16.11 | alexfranci | i am not root on the machine |
| 09:16.18 | Supaplex | ohh right. |
| 09:16.18 | alexfranci | i'm working on the uni lab remotely |
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| 09:16.29 | Supaplex | dmesg might glean a few clues |
| 09:16.36 | alexfranci | afranci@gisella:/tmp/uml$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:16.36 | alexfranci | lenny/sid |
| 09:16.49 | alexfranci | no help from dmesg |
| 09:16.51 | Supaplex | so it's an older lenny. |
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| 09:17.01 | shyam_k | someway or other my apt-get system seems to be totally flawed, i don't even dirs such as /var/cache/apt or /var/cache/debconf! how to get those things back? apt-get clean;apt-get update;apt-get upgrade isn't getting me there.. |
| 09:17.22 | shyam_k | ops i have /var/cache/apt but still missing debconf dir |
| 09:17.35 | alexfranci | if it's damaged somehow |
| 09:17.36 | shyam_k | and as i try to install a new kernel, it complaints of missing config.dat |
| 09:17.42 | alexfranci | i will check the md5sum |
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| 09:18.15 | shyam_k | alexfranci: of what? |
| 09:18.40 | alexfranci | shyam_k, of the UML kernel |
| 09:18.50 | alexfranci | Supaplex, the md5sum is correct |
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| 09:19.24 | Supaplex | alexfranci: does it run on another system? |
| 09:19.47 | alexfranci | i will try on my system |
| 09:19.55 | Supaplex | I don't know how to verify if selinux is running (while a normal user). |
| 09:19.57 | shyam_k | actually normal deb installations gone smoothly, but i think as this kernel requires config.dat and i don't have it too.. |
| 09:20.50 | Supaplex | alexfranci: you can run qemu as a user. there's even a -curses switch |
| 09:20.52 | alexfranci | Supaplex, yes it runs (with a segfault in 3 seconds, but it runs) |
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| 09:21.38 | Supaplex | humm strange. qemu would need a normal kernel though. |
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| 09:22.44 | alexfranci | will u kill me Supaplex if i say you that i downloaded an uncorrect version of kernel image? :D |
| 09:22.50 | alexfranci | i downloaded the 64bit one |
| 09:22.51 | alexfranci | :DDD |
| 09:23.02 | Supaplex | alexfranci: haha. that's where file -k was leading us. :) |
| 09:23.38 | alexfranci | yeah! |
| 09:23.40 | alexfranci | it runs! |
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| 09:23.47 | alexfranci | with a segfault but it runs... |
| 09:23.49 | Supaplex | !party |
| 09:23.49 | dpkg | [party] Lego, and alcohol |
| 09:23.51 | xilo | hello |
| 09:24.02 | seria-mau | lol |
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| 09:24.29 | apo | Supaplex: So packets have to go through the nat table and PRE/POSTROUTING chains? |
| 09:24.37 | apo | Supaplex: I added logs for those, but I don't get anything... |
| 09:25.11 | mischief6 | anyone know of a socks5 proxy daemon with authentication, possible sql auth? |
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| 09:33.55 | trombo | hi does anybody of you know a live-distro which cryptosetup-luks within? |
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| 09:36.39 | sepult | has debian an x86 arch ? |
| 09:36.45 | sepult | instead of i386 ? |
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| 09:37.03 | sepult | i see one in /usr/src/linux-source/arch/x86 |
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| 09:37.48 | karsten | sepult: not afaik. There's a 286 [port of Linux but it's pretty rudimentary given the lact of protected memory mode in the 286 CPU. |
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| 09:38.11 | karsten | sepult: ELKS Linux |
| 09:38.26 | sepult | karsten: what does ELKS mean ? |
| 09:38.32 | karsten | sepult: http://elks.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:38.43 | karsten | Embeddable Linux Kernel System |
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| 09:39.00 | seria-mau | sepult: isnt the i386 branch x86? |
| 09:39.02 | karsten | O rSubset, dependin on who's buying |
| 09:39.16 | sepult | karsten: i was checking my linux-source-2.6.26 i downloaded with apt-get and see there is no source for some of the modules ...how comes ? |
| 09:39.25 | karsten | sepult: What's you rneed? Why are you asking? |
| 09:39.31 | karsten | sepult: NFC. |
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| 09:40.26 | sepult | karsten: no source for drivers/video/display for module display.o warnings i get compiling my source |
| 09:41.07 | sepult | karsten: i ask maybe i'll debootstrap debian with x86 arch instead of i386... |
| 09:41.19 | sepult | karsten: if there's any effect of it |
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| 09:42.20 | karsten | sepult: What's your arch? |
| 09:42.26 | sepult | seria-mau: if i386 were x86 there wouldn't be two directory's in my linux-source/arch dir |
| 09:42.58 | sepult | karsten: uname -a tells me i686, and deboostrapping i used i386 |
| 09:43.20 | sepult | karsten: and now i see there's a x86 too, i hava core2duo proc |
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| 09:43.54 | maligor | what two directory's?-) |
| 09:44.09 | sepult | maligor: arch/i386 and arch/x86 |
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| 09:44.48 | acemi | these two arch were merged after 2.6.24 |
| 09:45.13 | sepult | acemi: but my kernel is 2.6.26 how comes then ? |
| 09:45.17 | acemi | i386 and x86_64 |
| 09:45.34 | sepult | acemi: is it due to the different kernel headers i installed ? |
| 09:45.45 | acemi | now there is only x86 |
| 09:45.47 | sepult | one for i486 and the other for i686 ? |
| 09:45.50 | ddoom | anyone know of any programs to stream videos/music from debian to xbox 360? |
| 09:46.02 | sepult | oh |
| 09:46.07 | muhah | mounting a cdrom fails and dmesg gives the follwing error : UDF-fs: No VRS found, ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format |
| 09:46.29 | cahoot | ddoom: netcat? |
| 09:46.32 | muhah | is this a known bug or is there some setting wrong in the cdrom burning ? |
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| 09:46.44 | cousin_luigi | hello |
| 09:47.04 | cousin_luigi | where is the boot console keymap set? |
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| 09:49.38 | muhah | i use the follwing command to burn a cd: cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=/dev/hdb -data -pad file.tar.gz |
| 09:49.45 | funyun | noob here, does anyone know how i would go about converting a pal dvd image file to a ntsc dvd image file? |
| 09:49.46 | cahoot | cousin_luigi: try dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 09:50.23 | \amethyst | muhah: you put a .tar.gz directly on the medium, not a filesystem... you won't be able to mount it |
| 09:50.25 | cousin_luigi | cahoot: I mean, where is it saved, exactly? |
| 09:50.37 | cousin_luigi | cahoot: initrd, /etc or both? |
| 09:50.53 | cahoot | cousin_luigi: /etc/console |
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| 09:50.58 | \amethyst | muhah: you can maybe do tar xzf /dev/cdrom to extract the tar into the current directory |
| 09:51.51 | muhah | \amethyst: thanks a lot it works |
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| 09:52.16 | mischief6 | doesn't a single person on freenode know of some socks5 proxy software? :\ |
| 09:52.16 | \amethyst | muhah: if you want to make a CD you can mount, you'll need to make an ISO with genisoimage/mkisofs and then burn that |
| 09:52.28 | muhah | \amethyst: almost .... Cannot open: No such file or directory for each file |
| 09:52.44 | muhah | \amethyst: yeah i probably should try that |
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| 09:58.11 | funyun | noob here, does anyone know how i would go about converting a pal dvd image file to a ntsc dvd image file? |
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| 09:59.26 | muhah | \amethyst: what settings do you use for mkisofs ? im using: mkisofs -Jr -o ${isoimage} ${directory} |
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| 10:04.33 | muhah | \amethyst: just for feedback your previous command works too .. it needed root access |
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| 10:08.28 | DaveWM | ok, this is probably a stupid question, but i'm on a fresh debian install, it automatically loads the graphical login manager, and there's no option to close it or to quit the X session, so how to I close the window manager? |
| 10:08.37 | DaveWM | i have to to install my video drivers apparently |
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| 10:15.56 | Flumdahl | is there anyway to fix so resolv.conf dont change every time i start my server? i have dhcp enabled so it write over my resolv.conf and uses my isps nameservers |
| 10:17.14 | Supaplex | I cheat with chattr +i |
| 10:17.16 | shad0w | try to change this from your router |
| 10:17.52 | Flumdahl | shad0w: i have no router. i only have a tp connection in my wall to my switch then my servers there |
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| 10:17.55 | zophy | how do i update my server with etch installed on it ? |
| 10:18.12 | hoxu | Flumdahl, what do you actually want to do? |
| 10:18.15 | zophy | i want to keep it as etch |
| 10:18.17 | hoxu | Flumdahl, override the DNS servers? |
| 10:18.24 | Flumdahl | zophy: change /etc/apt/sources.list all etch to lenny |
| 10:18.37 | zophy | i want to keep it as etch |
| 10:18.45 | jeff_hann | zophy, how does your sources.list look like? |
| 10:18.58 | zophy | it uses stable |
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| 10:19.01 | hoxu | !tell Flumdahl about resolv.conf |
| 10:19.04 | Flumdahl | hoxu: if i shutdown my server now. i have nameserver 1.2.3.4 in resolv.conf. when i start it again. the dhcp client change my nameserver list to my isps nameservers. i dont wanna use them i have own |
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| 10:19.19 | jeff_hann | change stable to etch then |
| 10:19.26 | zophy | i changed it to etch but apt complains |
| 10:19.29 | hoxu | Flumdahl, see that factoid, you can tell DHCP to supersede the ones given with your own |
| 10:19.40 | jeff_hann | zophy, what does apt say? |
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| 10:20.26 | Supaplex | zophy: apt complains how? Have you updated anything since lenny became stable? |
| 10:21.24 | zophy | jeff_hann, it complains about /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_..... not being there because it uses stable in that filename not etch |
| 10:21.43 | jeff_hann | aptitude clean \ |
| 10:21.48 | zophy | Supaplex, i have avoided updaring |
| 10:22.00 | zophy | ah clean it eh ? |
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| 10:22.04 | Supaplex | updaring. nice. :) that's good. |
| 10:22.10 | zophy | heh |
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| 10:24.06 | Supaplex | zophy: after clean, update. apt-cache policy <package> can confirm more details on package selection too. |
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| 10:30.39 | ewet | hi, are there any statistics about how many packages are maintained for each platform? i want to compare this with other distros to check the coverage :) |
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| 10:33.32 | iateadonut | what's the smallest and best file manager? |
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| 10:33.52 | mischief6 | bash |
| 10:34.10 | iateadonut | what's the smallest and best gui file manager? |
| 10:34.14 | mischief6 | well, gnu coreutils :P |
| 10:34.22 | apo | >< It's still not working |
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| 10:34.36 | file-exists-p | Hi people |
| 10:34.41 | file-exists-p | I tried to make a package for a small util I wrote |
| 10:34.41 | iateadonut | >< i already have bash installed! |
| 10:34.54 | ddoom | anyone know of any programs to stream videos/music from debian to xbox 360? |
| 10:34.59 | file-exists-p | anybody want to give me a feedback ? It's a little command line app to do dynamic pattern matching |
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| 10:35.41 | iateadonut | ummm... good job! |
| 10:35.53 | mischief6 | file-exists-p, isn't that called like |
| 10:35.55 | mischief6 | perl |
| 10:35.58 | mischief6 | or something |
| 10:36.15 | file-exists-p | http://www.idiap.ch/~fleuret/files/selector_1.0_i386.deb |
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| 10:36.32 | file-exists-p | under bash, just try alias h='./selector -i -b -v -f <(history)' |
| 10:36.39 | file-exists-p | I promise, that's cool |
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| 10:37.48 | file-exists-p | re |
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| 10:43.18 | noisyx | hi, when running some commands from terminal (as root), like gedit.. i get this error: GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
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| 10:46.24 | hiwk | can someone point me to a guide on how to have mixed versions? E.g. have a debian stabe machine but explicitly upgrade a few packages to testing |
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| 10:47.21 | ewet | aren't there really no statistics? |
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| 10:53.03 | bolt | is there a way to select another option _once_ in grub? i have windows and linux on a box, and i want to set that windows should start the next time i boot, but then linux again the time after that. i'd like to be able to do this remotely. do i have to get an ext3 reader thingy for xp or can I set grub to start xp once somehow? |
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| 10:54.02 | hiwk | bolt: I'm just curious; why? |
| 10:54.48 | bolt | hiwk: mainly because each time i boot up xp, there's a crapload of updates, so i'd like to be able to tell it to load up xp once in a while to grab those so I don't have to do that when I want to play games |
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| 10:56.11 | iateadonut | hmmm |
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| 11:00.30 | pjk1200bps | bolt: i cant think of a way off the top of my head.. havent looked into the grub or lilo docs.. but one suggestion.. perhaps you could use the ext2 driver in windows.. and once windows is loaded you could either manually or automatically rename the menu.lst and replace with another in the ext2 boot partition? |
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| 11:02.23 | alexfranci | Supaplex, are u here? |
| 11:02.38 | pjk1200bps | bolt: alternatively there's a thread talking about exactly your issue here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=561761 |
| 11:02.54 | pjk1200bps | bolt: it points to http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-once_002donly.html#Booting-once_002donly |
| 11:03.16 | pjk1200bps | bolt: quoting the page: "You can teach GRUB to boot an entry only at next boot time. " |
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| 11:03.35 | pjk1200bps | instead of "the old kernel" and "the new kernel" in that.. one of those would be your windows setup. |
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| 11:04.24 | Younix | if i fgagve |
| 11:04.25 | PiousMinion | bolt: you could extract grub to a file and place it in your windows partition: dd if =/dev/hda of=/mnt/windows/grub.img count=512 :then replace the mbr with the windows one and add an entry into boot.ini to load the grub.img file. This way you could use windows batch scripts to change which is default. |
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| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'TEST/XML.pm' returned no results. |
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| 11:05.34 | PiousMinion | bolt: insane, but from experiance... it works. :P |
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| 11:07.54 | file-exists-p | hi, people |
| 11:09.19 | pgs | hiwk: for a mixed system, man apt_preferences |
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| 11:12.04 | hiwk | pgs: thanks, seems to be exactly what I was looking for |
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| 11:12.53 | PiousMinion | In what form are passwords saved in /etc/shadow? md5? |
| 11:16.27 | urezki | it can be md5 as well as des, at least man says |
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| 11:18.29 | LkZ | I can not see the last login ssh access. "bash: last: command not found". I guess, it is deactive. how to reactive it? |
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| 11:19.20 | streuner | !ops mephistope spams via PM .. |
| 11:19.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: mephistope spams via PM .. |
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| 11:22.09 | streuner | Where are the ops when you need them? |
| 11:22.54 | dustybin | can andybody get a @debian.org email address? |
| 11:23.10 | streuner | no |
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| 11:23.14 | streuner | only DDs |
| 11:23.18 | dustybin | oh ok |
| 11:23.31 | xoz | LkZ: lastlog? |
| 11:23.35 | dustybin | streuner: is it ok to use the debian logo for my website? |
| 11:23.38 | kang1 | intel gma915 how to improve the refresh of the external CRT monitor into 60 using dual head (the native notebook refresh is 60hz) |
| 11:24.05 | streuner | dustybin: no idea, just ask in #debian-devel (OFTC) |
| 11:24.14 | dustybin | aye ok |
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| 11:25.11 | harpal | !hcl |
| 11:25.11 | dpkg | it has been said that hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask about <modinfo pci alias> |
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| 11:25.36 | streuner | tomaw: s(he) just left |
| 11:25.43 | tomaw | ah |
| 11:25.44 | streuner | so, food... |
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| 11:28.35 | xoz | LkZ: sysvinit or sysvinit-utils |
| 11:29.22 | SPF | what is the best raid-5/raid-z expansion solution? A bucket you can enlarge by replacing the harddrives with bigger ones. Is that possible with LVM? |
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| 11:29.50 | LkZ | xoz: you mean I used the command wrong. |
| 11:30.13 | seria-mau | how can i use mailcheck over stunnel4? i always get "connection refused" but i can use mutt and imap via telnet over the tunnel |
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| 11:30.48 | m0los | Anybody here good at mounting external drives? |
| 11:31.00 | abrotman | ask your real question |
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| 11:31.31 | m0los | Im having problem mounting a 8 gig thumb drive, can't find /mnt/memstick/ in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
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| 11:32.18 | abrotman | did you put it in there? |
| 11:32.20 | noisyx | m0los: add an entry for it in fstab? |
| 11:32.42 | dustybin | i wonder if this guy has trouble mounting his finger.. http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/when_reality_meets_product_concepts/ |
| 11:32.53 | m0los | noisyx: Do I just add /mnt/memstick and vfat in fstab? |
| 11:33.09 | abrotman | m0los: man fstab |
| 11:33.35 | abrotman | dustybin: for the last time, #debian-offtopic |
| 11:33.45 | dustybin | :( |
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| 11:34.10 | noisyx | m0los: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131 |
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| 11:34.48 | noisyx | GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. Im getting this error while trying to launch a GUI from terminal as root. any tips? |
| 11:34.50 | abrotman | or he could just read the man page |
| 11:35.56 | noisyx | abrotman: understanding man needs some knowledge sometimes :-) |
| 11:36.08 | abrotman | it's a pretty simple man page |
| 11:36.29 | m0los | noisyx: Will read! |
| 11:36.32 | m0los | noisyx: thx |
| 11:36.40 | noisyx | np |
| 11:37.11 | abrotman | way to avoid learning .. great job |
| 11:37.36 | xoz | noisyx: use sudo |
| 11:38.01 | noisyx | xoz: doesnt help, neither do gksudo |
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| 11:38.37 | noisyx | xoz: for some reason i cant access some guis that 'must' be run as root, like firestarter |
| 11:38.39 | xoz | noisyx: try sudo bash and run xterm. does it work? |
| 11:39.34 | xoz | noisyx: most likely your .ICEauth or .Xauth are owned by root |
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| 11:40.08 | noisyx | xoz: it runs, after spitting the error |
| 11:40.21 | zxd_ | Hi is it possible I can make command="" parameter a bit more flexible say with parameters command="/usr/bin/rsync --server --sender . $1" in authorized_keys file? |
| 11:40.24 | xoz | noisyx: who owns .iceauth and .xauth? |
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| 11:40.56 | noisyx | xoz: their not owned by root |
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| 11:41.20 | xoz | noisyx: xhost + |
| 11:41.36 | xoz | noisyx: and run xterm as root again |
| 11:41.56 | abrotman | eww |
| 11:41.59 | xoz | hehe |
| 11:42.22 | noisyx | xoz: same error :\ |
| 11:43.16 | xoz | noisyx: you mean host-based authentication error is still there? |
| 11:43.30 | xoz | noisyx: are you doing remote access? or just local? |
| 11:43.49 | noisyx | xoz, yes.. local |
| 11:43.57 | xoz | noisyx: no ssh forwarding? |
| 11:44.32 | noisyx | xoz: nothing, installed this fresh copy last night lol |
| 11:44.46 | abrotman | how did you install gnome? |
| 11:45.10 | noisyx | abrotman: fetched from cds |
| 11:45.27 | abrotman | doesn't answer the question .. |
| 11:45.36 | m0los | noisyx: Cant get it to work. What should I write in the fstab when the fdisk -l output is like this: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
| 11:45.39 | m0los | /dev/sdb1 * 1 976 7839698 b W95 FAT32 |
| 11:46.23 | abrotman | see, that's why he should have read .. |
| 11:47.09 | noisyx | you havnt checked that link, have u? |
| 11:47.13 | xoz | noisyx: tried logout and login from the session? same error? |
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| 11:47.22 | m0los | noisyx: talking to me? |
| 11:47.28 | noisyx | xoz: yes, rebooted too |
| 11:47.29 | kang1 | intel gma915 how to improve the refresh of the external CRT monitor into 60 using dual head (the native notebook refresh is 60hz) |
| 11:47.36 | noisyx | im just stuck there.. lol |
| 11:47.58 | noisyx | m0los: yes |
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| 11:48.41 | m0los | noisyx: did read it, couldnt find out. guess i have to read it again |
| 11:49.03 | noisyx | xoz: any idea wats messed with this box? |
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| 11:49.49 | renton_ | hello i wish to resize many pictures about 50, which program you suggest me? |
| 11:50.25 | abrotman | renton_: imagemagick has some binaries you'll want to look at |
| 11:50.38 | abrotman | most likely 'convert' |
| 11:50.50 | renton_ | i wished something with guy.. i'm quite lazy :) |
| 11:50.58 | abrotman | or mogrify |
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| 11:51.02 | renton_ | opening them with GIMP is making my pc RAM crazy :) |
| 11:51.03 | abrotman | a GUI ? |
| 11:51.12 | renton_ | gui, sorry,yes |
| 11:51.20 | abrotman | GIMP is it then |
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| 11:52.17 | xoz | noisyx: after the warning, it still works? |
| 11:52.47 | noisyx | xoz: some programs work after the warning, like gedit.. other dont.. like firestarter |
| 11:53.23 | renton_ | can i do a batch resize with gimp? |
| 11:53.24 | LkZ | strace -p pidnumber answers me attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): No such process. I cant catch it to kill proccess. how to learn that what any pids are doing ? :S |
| 11:53.25 | xoz | noisyx: firestarted not working is not caused by this warning... this is a debug output from gnome. it is because you are using root. |
| 11:53.32 | jpinx | has never found a really simple and easy image viewer and manipulator in linux and now uses an old version of irfanview in wine to avoid gimp bloat |
| 11:53.36 | abrotman | renton_: i think you have to learn the gimp script-fu |
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| 11:53.43 | jpinx | renton_: ^^ |
| 11:53.46 | abrotman | renton_: ask #gimp on irc.gnome.org |
| 11:54.02 | abrotman | jpinx: to just view? or actually change/save? |
| 11:54.03 | xoz | noisyx: any X client run as root in gnome will always have this debug warning... |
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| 11:54.19 | jpinx | abrotman: view and manipulate |
| 11:54.20 | abrotman | is pretty sure irfanview doesn't do much manipulating |
| 11:54.29 | jpinx | it does a lot |
| 11:54.29 | abrotman | jpinx: how much manipulation? |
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| 11:54.50 | noisyx | xoz: so this isnt why firestarter isnt launching? |
| 11:55.15 | xoz | noisyx: yep. firestarted isnt launching for another reason. |
| 11:55.27 | jpinx | resize, flips, various effects, change formats, cut and paste sections of the image etc etc |
| 11:56.06 | kang1 | intel gma915 how to improve the refresh of the external CRT monitor into 85hz using dual head (the native notebook refresh is 60hz) |
| 11:56.09 | abrotman | really doesn't think gimp is that much of a hog .. |
| 11:56.12 | jpinx | abrotman: renton_ www.irfanview.com |
| 11:56.16 | m0los | noisyx: Its working :) |
| 11:56.22 | abrotman | jpinx: i know what it is .. i use it at work for viewing tiffs |
| 11:56.24 | jpinx | gimp is too difficult to understand |
| 11:56.29 | noisyx | m0los: sweet |
| 11:56.30 | abrotman | well .. not me .. but people in my office |
| 11:56.40 | abrotman | jpinx: so you're being lazy .. and use wine? :) |
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| 11:57.14 | xoz | gimp is easy... get a video tutorial if you don't like to read |
| 11:57.14 | jpinx | yep - 'cos I don't have the skills or the time to learn them to port it - or I most certainly would |
| 11:57.20 | romgo | Hello, I'm trying to install debian with a USB key cause my station doesn't have any CD-rom. I have used zcat and install-mbr (following debian tutorial). But when I'm booting on my USB key Nothing happen except MFA => I press A and then 1 keyboard. Somebody can help me please? |
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| 11:57.39 | jpinx | xozgimp is not easy - unless you are a programmer |
| 11:57.56 | abrotman | gimp is easy |
| 11:57.56 | xoz | is a programmer |
| 11:58.18 | jpinx | irfanview is much much easier |
| 11:58.26 | jpinx | and does the same almost |
| 11:58.30 | abrotman | you must be a manager |
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| 11:59.07 | jpinx | and you must be an elitist and discriminatory programmer |
| 11:59.10 | renton_ | is there any command line tool to rezise |
| 11:59.27 | renton_ | i just need a bath resize |
| 11:59.27 | jpinx | renton_: yes - in imagemagik |
| 11:59.40 | xoz | resize2fs, parted can resize |
| 11:59.41 | abrotman | jpinx: actually, i'm not a programmer |
| 11:59.48 | abrotman | i guess i'm just smarter than you :) |
| 11:59.53 | jpinx | renton_: irfanview does batch resize and forms galleries |
| 11:59.59 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:00.11 | abrotman | renton_: use convert or mogrify |
| 12:00.18 | xoz | gimp understands scheme and lisp |
| 12:00.22 | jpinx | abrotman: by your own definition of my stupidity that still leaves you in the idiots class |
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| 12:00.43 | abrotman | that makes no sense ... |
| 12:01.04 | xoz | observes |
| 12:01.13 | nareshov | too |
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| 12:01.25 | dazman | Anyone running Debian Lenny on an ESXi host? |
| 12:01.30 | jpinx | sorry.... ops |
| 12:01.48 | abrotman | i didn't think so :) |
| 12:01.54 | xoz | hehe |
| 12:02.25 | kang1 | intel gma915 how to improve the refresh of the external CRT monitor into 85hz using dual head (the native notebook refresh is 60hz) |
| 12:03.11 | abrotman | kang1: does xrandr offer any refresh options? |
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| 12:05.58 | harpal | How can I define system wide proxy? |
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| 12:06.23 | abrotman | /etc/environment perhaps |
| 12:07.28 | harpal | abrotman: what should I write there? |
| 12:07.30 | nareshov | harpal: /etc/profile ? |
| 12:07.51 | abrotman | harpal: how are you doing it for one user? |
| 12:07.54 | xoz | harpal: PROXY_HTTP or HTTP_PROXY=blah |
| 12:08.05 | xoz | harpal: i think the latter is correct |
| 12:08.13 | nareshov | http_proxy |
| 12:08.39 | nareshov | http_proxy="http://{username}:{pass}@proxy:port/" |
| 12:08.54 | harpal | abrotman: I have not done for any user, I am using it only in browser :( |
| 12:09.02 | harpal | nareshov: ok checking that |
| 12:09.25 | nareshov | harpal: drop the "{"/"}"s |
| 12:09.27 | abrotman | set http_proxy in /etc/environment .. i believe |
| 12:09.37 | kang1 | abrotman:just 60hz |
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| 12:10.03 | abrotman | kang1: only one ? |
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| 12:10.31 | xoz | eats dinner |
| 12:10.45 | kang1 | 58hz and 60hz |
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| 12:11.00 | abrotman | xoz: you always eat dinner in the morning! |
| 12:11.07 | hifi | wtf, bash is intrepreting spaces as part of the command |
| 12:11.08 | abrotman | kang1: did you start X with the CRT plugged in? |
| 12:11.11 | kang1 | abrotman: no70hz , no75hz, no 80hz |
| 12:11.15 | hifi | like "ls /" says "ls /: command not found" |
| 12:11.23 | nareshov | o.o |
| 12:11.24 | kang1 | yes |
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| 12:13.09 | hifi | and this happens only when locally in Xorg |
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| 12:13.46 | renton_ | finally I wrote this |
| 12:13.48 | abrotman | hifi: in all terminals ? |
| 12:13.50 | renton_ | #!/bin/bash |
| 12:13.51 | renton_ | for i in $( ls ); do |
| 12:13.51 | renton_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.51 | renton_ | done |
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| 12:14.02 | hifi | abrotman: yes, xterm, urxvt and with ksh too |
| 12:14.05 | abrotman | ok |
| 12:14.11 | abrotman | oh .. so it's not just bash |
| 12:14.17 | hifi | yeah, just tested |
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| 12:14.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | mmm. $(ls) is probably sub-optimal |
| 12:14.25 | hifi | well, I started ksh from bash |
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| 12:14.34 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah .. well |
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| 12:14.47 | renton_ | sorry i got kicked off |
| 12:14.50 | hifi | bash: ls -l /: No such file or directory |
| 12:14.51 | renton_ | you like that script? |
| 12:14.54 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: it's also going to be resized-foo.jpg.jpb likely |
| 12:14.56 | hifi | this is.. weird |
| 12:15.04 | abrotman | erm .. .jpg.jpg |
| 12:15.11 | sylarstein | how do I mount usb cd? |
| 12:15.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman, yeah, looks that way to me too. |
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| 12:15.27 | sylarstein | It tried to automount it and then I got some strange error |
| 12:16.15 | sylarstein | about dbus |
| 12:16.20 | sylarstein | and permissions |
| 12:16.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | renton_, abrotman and i were talking about your script - those comments apply to you :) |
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| 12:17.35 | renton_ | oh thank |
| 12:18.01 | sylarstein | org.freedesktop.dbus.accessdenied |
| 12:18.03 | noisyx | xoz: mmm weirdness, gksu dbus-launch firestarter started it fine.. finally spotted the problem.. it seems gconf was upgraded during last nite system upgrade, and messed something |
| 12:18.07 | sylarstein | ah.... |
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| 12:18.31 | sylarstein | how do I grant access to all users to my usb cd? |
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| 12:19.37 | phanter | my gdm starts in the wrong resolution. How can I change that behaviour? |
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| 12:21.42 | renton_ | i should add a paramter to filtr img in ls |
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| 12:22.00 | renton_ | and to choose resize % and destination |
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| 12:22.35 | abrotman | renton_: did you fix the filename ? |
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| 12:23.39 | batcoder-7 | whatt is the best way to improve typing speed? |
| 12:23.44 | abrotman | practice? |
| 12:24.00 | asg | makin bacon teaches typing? |
| 12:24.15 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 12:24.28 | abrotman | batcoder-7: there are typing tutors in debian |
| 12:24.58 | abrotman | makes asg install tuxtype for a rousing network game! |
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| 12:25.04 | batcoder-7 | i type like with touch typing iam just having issues getting my speed up |
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| 12:28.00 | alexfranci_ | Supaplex, are u here? |
| 12:28.13 | sylarstein | any one know how to solve org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied for usb cdrom? |
| 12:28.39 | nareshov | sylarstein: check if you belong to the plugdev group? |
| 12:28.58 | sylarstein | nareshov, I don't |
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| 12:29.16 | nareshov | try adding yourself to the group and check if it helps? |
| 12:29.23 | renton_ | if the bash parameter $2 is optional, what's the most correct way to check if user entered it? |
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| 12:30.07 | renton_ | if [$1 = ]; then |
| 12:30.21 | abrotman | renton_: #bash |
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| 12:30.37 | abrotman | batcoder-7: tuxtype is a game for teach kids how to type faster .. maybe for you too! |
| 12:30.39 | tarfart | hi |
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| 12:31.01 | nareshov | !tell tarfart hi |
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| 12:31.05 | zophy | can i mix auto transmission fluid with my engine oil ? |
| 12:31.11 | nareshov | 18:01 <dpkg> No, nareshov, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 12:31.12 | nareshov | lol |
| 12:31.20 | abrotman | zophy: totally wrong channel |
| 12:31.48 | sylarstein | nareshov, it helped :) |
| 12:31.53 | sylarstein | nareshov, thanks :) |
| 12:32.00 | nareshov | sylarstein: yw :D |
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| 12:32.35 | batcoder-7 | abrotman, playing it now lol |
| 12:33.27 | seria-mau | ok, now i know why mailcheck fails to login: it only sends "a001 LOGIN accountname" and doesnt bother to send the password which i supplied in .netrc |
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| 12:35.31 | xnmrph | Hi. I have some general questions about how a Linux RAID1 array operates when things go wrong. Any experts here? |
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| 12:36.02 | abrotman | software or hardware? |
| 12:36.07 | xnmrph | software |
| 12:36.20 | sylarstein | when I insert the CD it automatically opens nautilus , how do I change that? |
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| 12:37.05 | nareshov | sylarstein: fix it in preferences > removable media |
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| 12:37.05 | HaC|away | hi there |
| 12:37.06 | nareshov | hi thar HaC|away |
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| 12:37.17 | HaC|away | i've got a question about the lenny repository |
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| 12:37.28 | HaC|away | is it possible that theres something signed wrong ? |
| 12:37.39 | HaC|away | since yesterday i get the following |
| 12:37.46 | HaC|away | W: GPG error: http://ftp2.de.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 12:38.00 | abrotman | HaC|away: make sure debian-keyring is installed |
| 12:38.04 | abrotman | oh whoops .. |
| 12:38.10 | abrotman | HaC|away: seems like it was a bad sync maybe |
| 12:38.15 | HaC|away | ahh ok |
| 12:38.30 | HaC|away | i'm just wondering about the 4.0 key :) |
| 12:38.47 | abrotman | moment |
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| 12:39.23 | xnmrph | The RAID array will be using mdadm |
| 12:39.56 | abrotman | HaC|away: i have that key .. and it is valid .. make sure debian-keyring is installed and `apt-key list | grep D3A1` shows the key |
| 12:40.35 | HaC|away | but why is the lenny repository signed with a etch key ? |
| 12:41.02 | abrotman | it's just in the keyring package |
| 12:41.07 | HaC|away | ahh ok |
| 12:41.22 | HaC|away | dpkg -l | grep 'keyring' |
| 12:41.22 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep 'keyring' |
| 12:41.24 | HaC|away | ii debian-archive-keyring 2009.01.31 GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive |
| 12:41.27 | HaC|away | that one ? |
| 12:41.49 | HaC|away | ahh no...i see |
| 12:42.01 | HaC|away | works now |
| 12:42.07 | HaC|away | but why did it never show up before ? |
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| 12:42.17 | abrotman | HaC|away: but if yu're using lenny, and referencing etch sources ? |
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| 12:43.34 | phanter | wmdrawer crashes/stops a lot at unexpected moments. How can I automatically detect if it stopped and then restart it |
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| 12:48.48 | renton_ | how can I output |
| 12:48.57 | sylarstein | nareshov, thanks :) |
| 12:48.58 | renton_ | $3string |
| 12:49.06 | renton_ | if $3 is foo |
| 12:49.12 | renton_ | i want to output foostring |
| 12:49.36 | renton_ | i don't want that the variable name would be considered '3string' |
| 12:49.47 | sylarstein | nareshov, now last thing I have a few simultaneous users, and I think only one gets right to eject |
| 12:50.04 | nareshov | hm |
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| 12:50.33 | HaC|away | hm ? |
| 12:50.35 | jelly-hme | renton_: works for me? |
| 12:50.43 | jelly-hme | $ set -- a b c |
| 12:50.43 | jelly-hme | $ echo $3string |
| 12:50.43 | jelly-hme | cstring |
| 12:50.58 | sylarstein | one user had in permissions of the CD owner hisname, and the other had owner unknown |
| 12:51.22 | renton_ | oh ok tnx |
| 12:51.27 | nick4 | I am trying to download Testing via BitTorrent with this: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-dvd/debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent -- but I get "Error: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker". What does that mean? |
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| 12:52.09 | sgg | is there a howto on how to set limits on programs?to protect from fork bombs? |
| 12:52.25 | lvh | sgg: man ulimit |
| 12:52.31 | sgg | lvh: system wide |
| 12:52.34 | lvh | err, that has no manpage |
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| 12:52.55 | lvh | wtf? Why doesn't that have a manpage? |
| 12:53.26 | hoxu | lvh, man builtins |
| 12:53.28 | jelly-hme | renton_: now, if you asked about a=foo; echo $astuff, then the answer would have been to use ${a} instead of $a |
| 12:53.58 | lvh | sgg: man limits.conf |
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| 13:03.18 | Trewas | nick4: it means that the tracker does not know that .torrent, maybe there is a bug somewhere or they deliberately don't bother with weekly images (but then they should skip creating the .torrent files too) |
| 13:03.53 | nick4 | the .torrent files have the same date as the ISO files :-/ |
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| 13:04.36 | nick4 | And how can I actually get Testing with BitTorent? |
| 13:04.43 | Trewas | nick4: just get the .iso from http, it will be faster anyway :) |
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| 13:05.27 | jelly-hme | judd: versions libavcodec52 |
| 13:05.28 | judd | jelly-hme: libavcodec52 -- sid: 3:0.svn20090303-1 sid-multimedia: 4:0.5-0.0 |
| 13:05.48 | abrotman | judd references dmm ? |
| 13:05.49 | judd | abrotman: Error: "references" is not a valid command. |
| 13:05.52 | abrotman | judd: shuddup |
| 13:05.52 | judd | abrotman: Error: "shuddup" is not a valid command. |
| 13:05.53 | nick4 | Trewas unfortunatelly, it isn't! I am getting 30kbps with a maximum of 700 from my home line. Is there a list of mirrors for Testing? Because the only list of mirrors I can find is for Stable *only* |
| 13:05.58 | jelly-hme | hehe |
| 13:06.15 | simonrvn | judd: braindamaged |
| 13:06.16 | judd | simonrvn: Error: "braindamaged" is not a valid command. |
| 13:06.20 | abrotman | nick4: use the lenny netinst and dist-upgrade |
| 13:06.41 | nick4 | no other way than that? I like having at least a DVD1 |
| 13:06.42 | jelly-hme | judd: versions mplayer |
| 13:06.43 | judd | jelly-hme: mplayer -- etch: 1.0~rc1-12etch5 etch-security: 1.0~rc1-12etch5 lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3 squeeze: 1.0~rc2-20 sid: 1.0~rc2+svn20090303-2 etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1 lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1 sid-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20090311-0.0 |
| 13:07.52 | abrotman | nick4: why? it'll be out of date tomorrow |
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| 13:08.17 | jelly-hme | upgrading mplayer makes aptitude want to install... kerberos libs. srsly. |
| 13:08.33 | abrotman | !pal jelly-hme |
| 13:08.33 | dpkg | points at jelly-hme and laughs |
| 13:08.57 | nick4 | abrotman yes it will be out of date tommorow but I don't take internet connection as granted |
| 13:08.59 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 13:09.28 | sgg | is there a way to supercede LC_ALL? |
| 13:09.34 | abrotman | nick4: use the netinst .. |
| 13:09.47 | nick4 | ok, thanks |
| 13:09.48 | simonrvn | no, that's why you don't set that usually |
| 13:10.08 | simonrvn | unless LANG behaves differently now... |
| 13:10.18 | jelly-hme | it bloody well shouldn't |
| 13:10.40 | simonrvn | that would suck |
| 13:10.49 | jelly-hme | and break things |
| 13:10.55 | simonrvn | quite |
| 13:11.34 | dustybin | uploads some sense of humour to abrotman |
| 13:11.42 | xnmrph | Anyone know if there is a channel for RAID users/experts ? |
| 13:11.57 | sgg | simonrvn: it displays errors if i dont have LC_ALL set but i want some LC in other format |
| 13:12.15 | abrotman | dustybin: seriously .. go to #debian-offtopic and you can do all the dumb crap you want without anyone being upset .. |
| 13:12.16 | simonrvn | you set the others, not LC_ALL |
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| 13:12.38 | jelly-hme | sgg: so set just those LC_ bits you need |
| 13:12.47 | jelly-hme | sgg: or use LANG |
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| 13:13.08 | sgg | jelly-hme: but if i set those and not LC_ALL , perl will complain |
| 13:13.13 | simonrvn | learned that the hard way... |
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| 13:13.30 | sgg | simonrvn: ^ |
| 13:13.34 | simonrvn | sgg: you set them *properly*, not with bogus info |
| 13:13.35 | jelly-hme | sgg: my perl doesn't complain! |
| 13:13.40 | simonrvn | mine either |
| 13:14.06 | jelly-hme | sgg: what's the real issue? |
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| 13:14.59 | sgg | jelly-hme: i can only write to nano with my native charset when i have set LANG and LC_ALL. but i dont want say LC_TIME in my native lang |
| 13:15.19 | jelly-hme | sgg: what does it have to do with perl? |
| 13:15.54 | jelly-hme | sgg: (as for that setting, use LANG and set LC_TIME=C, keep LC_ALL unset) |
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| 13:16.18 | sgg | jelly-hme: let me try |
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| 13:17.48 | sgg | jelly-hme: http://pastebin.ca/1360665 |
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| 13:18.26 | jelly-hme | sgg: el_US? |
| 13:19.01 | sgg | jelly-hme: oops. let me try again |
| 13:19.36 | PiousMinion | I'm calling: aptitude unmarkauto zip : but it's still trying to uninstall zip. Ideas? |
| 13:20.04 | jelly-hme | sgg: if you're using UTF-8 for everything, it's likely you want en_US override for LC_MESSAGES to really be en_US.UTF-8 as well |
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| 13:24.02 | sgg | jelly-hme: http://pastebin.ca/1360669 |
| 13:24.24 | sgg | jelly-hme: in addition to the perl msg, i cant write in my native lang in nano. |
| 13:24.36 | sgg | keep in mind that's for console (ssh) |
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| 13:25.49 | jelly-hme | sgg: huh, is the Greek locale even set up on the system? dpkg-reconfigure locales and check |
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| 13:27.29 | sgg | jelly-hme: yes |
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| 13:29.14 | jelly-hme | sgg: grep -v ^# /etc/locale.gen |
| 13:29.47 | Kuifje111 | if I want to remove own built software, should I use make uninstall? |
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| 13:32.04 | sgg | jelly-hme: fixed! i had el_US |
| 13:32.10 | sgg | jelly-hme: thanks! :) |
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| 13:36.28 | Megaf_ | aptitude safe-upgrade to update my system? |
| 13:36.49 | Megaf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.50 | Megaf_ | 5.0 |
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| 13:39.04 | Kuifje111 | thats the newest version, as far as i know |
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| 13:41.05 | rgr | Are there any know issues with accessing smb shares from debian. I have on of these new fangled (new?) lan drives setup and mounted via a smbfs mount and *every* time I try any "mass" operation like recursive delete on it my entire debian machine locks solid requiring a rest. |
| 13:41.09 | rgr | (lenny) |
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| 13:42.03 | Samuel-NotAFK | I upgraded to Squeeze and my Debian still seems to think it's Lenny. How do I tell it otherwise? |
| 13:42.43 | pzn | Hi. using debian lenny. I need a quick help for someone that never worked with v4l. I have the capture board /dev/video0 working OK. now I need to grab one jpg only from command line (testing purposes). can you recommend a simple package for this? |
| 13:43.00 | Megaf_ | are there any firewall or somthing like that active by default in Debian? Cos a cant access my ftp server... |
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| 13:43.07 | Megaf_ | in another computer on my network |
| 13:43.42 | pykaboo | iptables is used, try ti iptables --list |
| 13:43.54 | pykaboo | to see the rules |
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| 13:44.28 | Megaf_ | i think is clean |
| 13:44.30 | pzn | Megaf_: this command will disable any iptables rules, it there is any: iptables -I INPUT 1 -j ACCEPT; iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -j ACCEPT |
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| 13:45.56 | Megaf_ | not working, let me check my proftpd conf |
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| 13:47.02 | Megaf_ | everything seems to be ok |
| 13:47.05 | gkahla | anyone use f-spot on Debian Lenny? |
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| 13:49.01 | alatz | I have Debian Lenny with Gnome and would like to try KDE4. Do I get an option for choosing the Gnome/KDE at startup screen, or do I need additional packages? Is kde-common the one I need? |
| 13:49.26 | gkahla | i've installed f-spot with apt-get, and all images fail to render in the viewer. I can browse to them with nautilus and see them fine... s'like f-spot's missing graphics libraries or something |
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| 13:49.50 | Megaf_ | pzn, i cant even ping my debian.. |
| 13:49.53 | Megaf_ | why? |
| 13:50.32 | alexfranci_ | i'm trying to compile my own kernel for uml |
| 13:50.33 | alexfranci_ | but: |
| 13:50.35 | alexfranci_ | [42949373.180000] Failed to execute /sbin/init. Attempting defaults... |
| 13:50.35 | alexfranci_ | [42949373.180000] Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. |
| 13:50.36 | alexfranci_ | why? |
| 13:50.40 | gkahla | alatz: kde-common should install much of the underlying libraries for kde, but might not put everything on your system - just a sec |
| 13:52.51 | gkahla | alatz: you'll want to install 'kde', then install any specific language package you might need |
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| 13:53.20 | gkahla | when next you log in, click the Sessions element on the login screen, and choose KDE. |
| 13:53.35 | pzn | Megaf_: then run "ifconfig" to see ip address and netmask on both computers |
| 13:53.41 | alatz | gkahla: That is just what I wanted, thank you |
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| 13:54.05 | SN^Vampire | hi.. |
| 13:54.09 | gkahla | alatz - certainly - are you using synaptic to install? |
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| 13:54.30 | alatz | gkahla: I was using apt |
| 13:54.46 | julianoliver | what is a sane explanation for df -h output like this: /dev/sda1 6.5G 6.1G 0 100% / ? |
| 13:54.47 | gkahla | do you need any in18 support? |
| 13:54.54 | alatz | I was reading this instructions: http://kde4.debian.net/ |
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| 13:55.12 | julianoliver | i'm passing / to du -csxh and seeing nothing abnormal. |
| 13:55.35 | alatz | gkahla: I dont know what in18 is :( |
| 13:56.07 | th0ger | ifconfig wlan0 up -> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Input/output error. Does anybody know what this means? (iwlist scan reports that wlan0 exists but is down) |
| 13:56.09 | gkahla | alatz: according to your stats, you are signed on from Spain |
| 13:56.26 | gkahla | do you want English, or Spanish for your desktop? |
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| 13:56.39 | alatz | gkahla: Basque |
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| 13:57.06 | alatz | anyway I understand English and Spanish also, so there is no problem for lang |
| 13:57.15 | julianoliver | alatz: i'm fairly sure basque is well supported |
| 13:57.16 | Megaf_ | From 192.168.1.5 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 13:57.18 | Megaf_ | pfff |
| 13:57.36 | julianoliver | alatz: i don't speak basque, but i have basque friends that are linux users. |
| 13:57.38 | alatz | julianoliver: that is good news for me :D |
| 13:57.40 | Megaf_ | here, debian, x.x.x.2 |
| 13:57.44 | Megaf_ | there, x.x.x.4 |
| 13:57.48 | Megaf_ | same netmask |
| 13:57.53 | pgs | julianoliver: by default a certian % of the filesystem is set aside for emergencies, and only root is able to write to it. it's not included if %full calculations |
| 13:57.55 | Megaf_ | same gateway |
| 13:57.56 | alatz | julianoliver: I know some of them... |
| 13:57.59 | Megaf_ | no firewall |
| 13:58.09 | gkahla | you may want to install 'kde-i18n-es' as well to pull in the menus for Spanish |
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| 13:58.29 | gkahla | is there a package for Basque? |
| 13:58.31 | Asad2005 | I have a raid with 6 drives and one has failed. To identify the failed drive i need to disconnect one drive at a time and boot. Is that ok would it damage the raid ? |
| 13:58.49 | alatz | gkahla: I guess it is kde-in18-eu |
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| 13:59.03 | julianoliver | alatz: at least this is indication of support: http://l10n.kde.org/team-infos.php?teamcode=eu |
| 13:59.11 | pav5088 | I'm looking at an old deb, and there's an init.d script which doesn't directly run the daemon in question... it runs a wrapper script which handles launching a few instances of the daemon for load-balancing purposes... (I guess the daemon isn't threaded). Is there any reason the packager couldn't put that stuff in the init.d script (ie. is this not allowed). I'm no package maintainer so I don't know this stuff. |
| 13:59.15 | alatz | I'm in doubt for installing Kde4-minimal or just kde4 |
| 14:00.03 | gkahla | alatz: do you have lots of free space on your hard disk? |
| 14:00.08 | alatz | yes :D |
| 14:00.11 | julianoliver | pgs: i realise but i've never seen such a large discrepancy, proportional to the disk consumption. |
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| 14:00.46 | gkahla | you might want to try the full version, just to give it a complete chance |
| 14:00.47 | alatz | gkahla: new installation, so should I go for the full one and then install lang-pkg? |
| 14:00.48 | pgs | julianoliver: the default is 5%, and can be changed with tune2fs -m |
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| 14:01.42 | gkahla | alatz: sounds good to me |
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| 14:01.47 | orveldv | whoa, now we can use synaptic as a frontend for aptitude and not only for apt-get in lenny ? |
| 14:01.47 | Ego-Ale-Sum | hello |
| 14:02.10 | gkahla | i am not a fan of KDE, but it is quite popular |
| 14:02.38 | gkahla | anyone using f-spot in Debian Lenny? |
| 14:02.45 | alatz | gkahla: I started the instal with aptitude, 410Mb download 953Mb after install. Gonna have to wait for I while. |
| 14:02.46 | SN^Vampire | trying to set up vpn.. /etc/ppp/options right confgured.. `pon inet` tell that CHAP authentication succeeded and after this: rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x2], LCP terminated by peer.. modem hang up.. what's wrong? |
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| 14:03.05 | julianoliver | pgs: thanks, i wasn't aware the default was so high.. |
| 14:03.11 | gkahla | alatz: it is a lot of software; good luck with it. I hope it works out well! |
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| 14:03.41 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I've got a debian http server. a couple of hours ago I saw in the php error log that an user of mine tried uploading a 250MB file. Obviously that file caused a php error and it has not been processed (the limit is 15MB), but it has been consuming bandwidth for my server. so, my question is: is it possible to set iptables so it drops the connection when an user is uploading too much data? |
| 14:03.45 | pgs | julianoliver: used to be 10%, they halved it as disk sizes grew |
| 14:03.47 | alatz | gkahla: I love Gnome, but KDE4 has intrigued me, so Im giving it a try, just for fun |
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| 14:04.39 | julianoliver | pgs: yikes. i don't remember this at all. |
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| 14:05.19 | hark | alatz: fyi, kde4 is not in lenny |
| 14:05.24 | gkahla | alatz: i have used KDE for work, but much prefer Gnome - KDE seems to be much more complicated (configuration) |
| 14:05.34 | pgs | julianoliver: I'm talking 90s, SunOS/Solaris, etc |
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| 14:06.15 | alatz | hark: http://kde4.debian.net/ |
| 14:06.21 | gkahla | pgs: back then, the percentage was more accurate because files and drives were proportionally smaller |
| 14:06.35 | simonrvn | alatz: it'll NEVER be in lenny |
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| 14:06.55 | gkahla | i've started formatting my volumes with 2 and 1 % |
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| 14:08.02 | kamp2tux | what is the CLI command for "Update Manager" ? TQ |
| 14:08.12 | abrotman | kamp2tux: man aptitude |
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| 14:08.35 | julianoliver | pgs: right, i came on board around '98. perhaps a little late to encounter that. |
| 14:08.45 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I've got a debian http server. a couple of hours ago I saw in the php error log that an user of mine tried uploading a 250MB file. Obviously that file caused a php error and it has not been processed (the limit is 15MB), but it has been consuming bandwidth for my server. so, my question is: is it possible to set iptables so it drops the connection when an user is uploading too much data? |
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| 14:09.29 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: you would probably want a javascript way to check filesize ? |
| 14:09.39 | SN^Vampire | trying to set up vpn.. /etc/ppp/options right confgured.. `pon inet` tell that CHAP authentication succeeded and after this: rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x2], LCP terminated by peer.. modem hang up.. what's wrong? |
| 14:09.53 | Ego-Ale-Sum | abrotman: as you know, javascript is not safe at all :) |
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| 14:10.06 | kamp2tux | i thought "aptitude update" is "Update Manager", but it is not ! |
| 14:10.11 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: some would say the same about php |
| 14:10.18 | abrotman | kamp2tux: which version of debian ? |
| 14:10.28 | kamp2tux | Leeny 5.0 |
| 14:10.34 | kamp2tux | lenny 5.0 |
| 14:10.35 | Ego-Ale-Sum | abrotman: I mean: you can just disable javascript in your browser and then there will be no more checks... |
| 14:10.38 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: basically, you're trying to check on the client side .. |
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| 14:10.55 | Ego-Ale-Sum | abrotman: I want to interrupt the upload on server side |
| 14:10.57 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: then ask ##php if there's a way to check .. i don't think iptables can do that at all .. ask #iptables |
| 14:11.47 | hark | kamp2tux: try man update-manager to see if it has one |
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| 14:11.50 | Ego-Ale-Sum | abrotman: wait, maybe I didn't explain well... php is already checking if the filesize is too big. but the file is always completely uploaded, so it consumes much bandwidth. |
| 14:11.54 | simonrvn | iptables wouldn't filter out javascript ... wth |
| 14:12.10 | Ego-Ale-Sum | abrotman: I mentioned iptables because it's the first thing I thought to.... but any other software is ok! |
| 14:12.31 | Ego-Ale-Sum | simonrvn: in fact, I don't need js... |
| 14:12.59 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: right, php is server side .. |
| 14:13.36 | simonrvn | no one needs JS. they need food, shelter, clothing (and sometimes not even that is always needed ;). |
| 14:13.39 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: ask ##php if $_FILES[]['size'] is only known after the file is done uploading |
| 14:13.57 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: but i think you're going to be stuck with some client side scripting stuff |
| 14:14.31 | Ego-Ale-Sum | abrotman: I can tell you it's that: it first uploads all the file (this is handled by apache, not php), then it checks filesize |
| 14:14.46 | plsd | I'm using Debian 5.0 AMD64 and I'm trying to set Iceweasel to be the default browser. I've changed it in preferred applications and I just tried "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" but I'm STILL getting Epiphany when trying to open links from Newsbeuter (console rss reader). Anyone know what to do? |
| 14:15.04 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: then you need client side stuff .. |
| 14:15.12 | abrotman | plsd: in gnome? |
| 14:15.15 | MegafEee | ok, i give up |
| 14:15.18 | plsd | abrotman, yeah |
| 14:15.30 | MegafEee | i have no idea if the problem is here or in the another computer |
| 14:15.41 | abrotman | plsd: what did you set the preferred applications to ? |
| 14:16.00 | Ego-Ale-Sum | abrotman: client-side stuff is not necessary here... all browsers stop you when you try to get filesize of a file on disk (every browser, excluding IE :) ) |
| 14:16.09 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: okay, go ask #web then .. |
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| 14:16.22 | abrotman | iptables won't know about it, not a debian issue |
| 14:16.31 | simonrvn | thinks Ego-Ale-Sum does indeed want client-side shit |
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| 14:17.30 | hark | plsd: there is a config option, in ~/.newsbeuter/config .. "browser foo" |
| 14:17.31 | Ego-Ale-Sum | simonrvn: this is security-related... client-side stuff has nothing to do here! I can open the terminal and start uploading a 1GB file, and I won't have any limit! I need something on the server... probably iptables won't work, but some other application... |
| 14:17.40 | plsd | abrotman, I've tried setting it to firefox, iceweasel, mozilla, and for some reason it was custom now when I checked. Probably because of "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" |
| 14:17.44 | Ego-Ale-Sum | anyways, I should go... |
| 14:17.50 | Ego-Ale-Sum | thanks anyways... |
| 14:17.59 | abrotman | some other application .. like javascript |
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| 14:18.14 | Ego-Ale-Sum | js is NOT an application. and my terminal doesn't parse js... |
| 14:18.18 | hark | Ego-Ale-Sum: it should be possible to do server side in php |
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| 14:18.47 | plsd | hark, I didn't have that file so I created it and wrote "browser iceweasel", no luck thouth |
| 14:18.48 | Ego-Ale-Sum | hark: yes it is... but it doesn't STOP file upload: the file is always 100% uploaded, then it's deleted. so this consumes bandwidth |
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| 14:19.18 | abrotman | hark: he's saying not til the file is all the way uploaded .. which then turns it into a client-side problem, which he refuses to believe |
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| 14:19.51 | hark | plsd: what's the browser set in gnome-default-applications-properties? |
| 14:19.54 | abrotman | there is a php.ini setting for upload_max_filesize .. but i'm not sure if that will work before or after the upload |
| 14:19.55 | Ego-Ale-Sum | abrotman: how can you execute client-side limits on telnet? |
| 14:20.10 | abrotman | you use telnet with PHP ? |
| 14:20.16 | Ego-Ale-Sum | the php.ini setting works after the upload: the upload itself is handled by apache |
| 14:20.19 | jelly-hme | Ego-Ale-Sum: are your users really using telnet? |
| 14:20.29 | plsd | hark, Had to restart newsbeuter after creating ~/.newsbeuter/config , now it works. Thanks! |
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| 14:20.33 | Ego-Ale-Sum | jelly-hme: yes, if they want to hack the site :) |
| 14:20.46 | abrotman | client-side ... |
| 14:20.48 | hark | don't recommend client side myself |
| 14:20.57 | jelly-hme | Ego-Ale-Sum: so you're not worried about the users, but a generic upload DoS. |
| 14:21.04 | abrotman | hark: that's nice .. then you go to msg with him and figure out how to do it :) |
| 14:21.14 | Ego-Ale-Sum | jelly-hme: oh, finally someone understands this :) |
| 14:21.24 | abrotman | jelly-hme: he doesn't want to pay for bandwidth usage |
| 14:21.32 | Ego-Ale-Sum | no, I've got a flat bandwidth |
| 14:21.36 | jelly-hme | Ego-Ale-Sum: your first description sounded like the former. |
| 14:21.38 | abrotman | this is *still* not a #debian issue |
| 14:21.52 | simonrvn | so you don't allow uploads. simple. no b/w issues, no uploading at all. |
| 14:21.58 | Ego-Ale-Sum | yes it is :) it's about using debian apps to halt connections |
| 14:22.05 | jelly-hme | abrotman: if we knew the answer, would we keep it in #debian? |
| 14:22.08 | abrotman | no |
| 14:22.10 | simonrvn | problem solved. NEXT! |
| 14:22.10 | Ego-Ale-Sum | simonrvn: oh, this is a perfect idea for a site like mine :) |
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| 14:22.42 | jelly-hme | abrotman: I think pulling the offtopic plug only when a problem is hard is cheating. |
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| 14:22.57 | abrotman | jelly-hme: i told him where to go 10 minutes ago |
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| 14:23.13 | abrotman | it's not a hard problem, he just doesn't like the answer |
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| 14:23.29 | Ego-Ale-Sum | you didn't give me an answer, to be honest... |
| 14:23.40 | abrotman | yes, i did |
| 14:23.58 | jelly-hme | it was "ask #iptables and ##php" |
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| 14:24.23 | abrotman | and why was that? because he won't use JS, and PHP can't do it .. and *he* mentioned iptables |
| 14:24.58 | jelly-hme | js doesn't solve it |
| 14:25.05 | simonrvn | my question is why he's still here asking questions and not disabling uploads. |
| 14:25.14 | abrotman | jelly-hme: so choose any other method .. |
| 14:25.16 | jelly-hme | Ego-Ale-Sum: use a decent upload servlet instead of php. :-) |
| 14:25.33 | abrotman | jelly-hme: so you avoid answering his question ? |
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| 14:25.41 | Ego-Ale-Sum | simonrvn: a site like mine can't live without (small) uploads. simply. no uploads = no business :) |
| 14:25.50 | Ego-Ale-Sum | anyways, I think I should go away |
| 14:25.56 | Ego-Ale-Sum | didn't mean to cause flames... |
| 14:25.57 | Ego-Ale-Sum | bye |
| 14:26.07 | th0ger | The files in modprobe.d needs a .conf suffix (its now very verbose). Is it okay to add .conf to the deb-maintained files, or will i get into trouble later? |
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| 14:26.15 | simonrvn | i WAS being facetious |
| 14:26.23 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's okay .. i got it! :) |
| 14:26.26 | jelly-hme | th0ger: wait for the distro to fix it |
| 14:26.51 | abrotman | jelly-hme: i'm not sure how your answer was any better than mine .. |
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| 14:27.21 | th0ger | jelly-hme: can i then suppress the warnings temp? |
| 14:27.23 | jelly-hme | abrotman: I didn't pretend it to be an answer at all! |
| 14:27.35 | abrotman | jelly-hme: but you got on my case about my answer |
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| 14:27.47 | abrotman | and i don't think the servlet solved his issue either |
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| 14:29.34 | jelly-hme | abrotman: there are nice upload solutions that can track current size, have those rpc thingies to provide progress bars, and arbitrary limits |
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| 14:29.48 | abrotman | so .. client side? |
| 14:29.55 | jelly-hme | both. |
| 14:29.59 | hark | Ego-Ale-Sum: i've done it, but not in php. |
| 14:30.01 | abrotman | right .. so still not solving his problem |
| 14:30.03 | abrotman | hark: he's gone |
| 14:30.21 | simonrvn | and there's a web server that has a module for that.... |
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| 14:30.51 | jelly-hme | abrotman: arbitrary limits for upload solve his problem |
| 14:31.04 | abrotman | jelly-hme: he said he didn't want client side .. |
| 14:31.13 | abrotman | oh well .. gone now .. we'll never have the answer! |
| 14:31.43 | avu | chokes on his popcorn |
| 14:31.45 | jelly-hme | abrotman: he said he didn't want JS because it didn't solve the malicious intent part of upload. |
| 14:31.53 | avu | nono, don't stop arguing, viva discordia! |
| 14:32.05 | abrotman | avu: go play with your new toy in #debian-offtopic :) |
| 14:32.37 | abrotman | jelly-hme: but he said it didn't start maliciously .. just a dumb user ... |
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| 14:32.45 | Ego-Ale-Sum | sorry for being here again |
| 14:32.49 | abrotman | and now we'll get our answer! |
| 14:32.52 | Ego-Ale-Sum | just wanted to inform I think I've found a solution |
| 14:32.53 | Ego-Ale-Sum | http://www.linuxine.com/2008/06/apache-tips-limit-upload-file-size.html |
| 14:33.07 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I must try it, but it should work... |
| 14:33.13 | Ego-Ale-Sum | so now you can sleep in peace ^^ |
| 14:33.36 | Ego-Ale-Sum | bye... |
| 14:33.36 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: it doesn't say if it's going to allow the upload first or not though |
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| 14:33.52 | abrotman | i assume before since it's a request .. |
| 14:33.58 | Ego-Ale-Sum | this is done by apache, so it is done before |
| 14:34.01 | jelly-hme | abrotman: and he switched the problem description afterwards. |
| 14:34.06 | Ego-Ale-Sum | or, better, DURING the upload |
| 14:34.23 | avu | during? |
| 14:34.29 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 14:34.30 | abrotman | thought filesize was part of the multipart formtype .. |
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| 14:34.43 | simonrvn | RFC! |
| 14:34.44 | abrotman | avu: if it exceeds the limit on the filesystem, apache terminates the thread ? |
| 14:34.46 | Ego-Ale-Sum | abrotman: http headers could be hacked as well |
| 14:34.46 | avu | doesn't the client just send a header that announces the body size of the request? |
| 14:34.47 | Ego-Ale-Sum | :) |
| 14:34.58 | simonrvn | avu: yes |
| 14:35.01 | Ego-Ale-Sum | anyways, the important thing is that this should limit the upload |
| 14:35.01 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: so this is really not going to solve your problem either |
| 14:35.11 | Ego-Ale-Sum | why no?? |
| 14:35.15 | Ego-Ale-Sum | *why not??? |
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| 14:35.18 | jelly-hme | Ego-Ale-Sum: so is it "dumb user" or "hacker trying to DoS"? |
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| 14:35.21 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: i can now upload 10,000 files of whatever size you choose |
| 14:35.25 | avu | Ego-Ale-Sum, who cares about the headers being "hacked"? |
| 14:35.40 | avu | Ego-Ale-Sum, after the announced byte-size, apache stops reading, problem solved |
| 14:35.49 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: so i can automate the uploads .. and "DoS" you still |
| 14:36.15 | valdyn | or i can just download dos this |
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| 14:36.16 | Ego-Ale-Sum | avu: if they can be hacked, they could be less than real filesize |
| 14:36.21 | abrotman | it's a question of if it does it at the request stage, or the actual upload stage |
| 14:36.27 | Ego-Ale-Sum | abrotman: of course. but that was not my question :) |
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| 14:36.36 | avu | Ego-Ale-Sum, so? how's that a problem? |
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| 14:36.39 | jelly-hme | "a couple of hours ago I saw in the php error log that an user of mine tried uploading a 250MB file." |
| 14:36.40 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: that's what you pretended the problem to be |
| 14:37.02 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: and then you changed it when you thought jelly-hme might have an answer for you, just because you didn't like my answer |
| 14:37.04 | jelly-hme | Ego-Ale-Sum: did that user have correct and legal filesize or not? |
| 14:37.15 | krfkeith-xo | what does it mean to add somthing to your path/ |
| 14:37.22 | abrotman | krfkeith-xo: echo $PATH |
| 14:37.23 | Ego-Ale-Sum | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/core.html#limitrequestbody |
| 14:37.30 | abrotman | and apache1?! |
| 14:37.31 | krfkeith-xo | ok |
| 14:37.33 | avu | krfkeith-xo, usually manipulating the PATH variable in your shell |
| 14:37.41 | krfkeith-xo | thanks |
| 14:37.53 | abrotman | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#limitrequestbody .. is what you probably want |
| 14:37.53 | krfkeith-xo | I'm compiling somesoftware |
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| 14:37.59 | krfkeith-xo | and it uses wxwidgets |
| 14:38.04 | krfkeith-xo | so I installed it |
| 14:38.05 | avu | krfkeith-xo, if you use bash, do PATH="$PATH:/new/directory" most of the time |
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| 14:38.23 | avu | krfkeith-xo, (do "add /new/directory to your PATH") |
| 14:38.27 | avu | krfkeith-xo, (to "add /new/directory to your PATH") |
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| 14:38.36 | krfkeith-xo | and it says I need to have wx-config in it |
| 14:38.39 | Ego-Ale-Sum | abrotman: no, my problem has always been the same: as that dumb (?) user, an attacker could upload a file too big and so do a DoS on my server (or, at least, use bandwidth: I've just got 100mps) |
| 14:38.44 | krfkeith-xo | do I just add that line? |
| 14:38.59 | abrotman | Ego-Ale-Sum: i'm still not sure this solves it, but you can try it and let us know |
| 14:39.00 | avu | krfkeith-xo, no, you need to add the directory that contains the 'wx-config' binary |
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| 14:39.06 | krfkeith-xo | ah |
| 14:39.07 | krfkeith-xo | ok |
| 14:39.07 | simonrvn | WTF are you allowing 250 MB uploads anyway? WTF |
| 14:39.09 | avu | krfkeith-xo, or, more likely, you have to install that binary |
| 14:39.14 | krfkeith-xo | I did |
| 14:39.16 | abrotman | simonrvn: do you really want to know? |
| 14:39.18 | Ego-Ale-Sum | must really go now... my gf is arriving in 15 mins :) bye!! |
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| 14:39.36 | avu | krfkeith-xo, so, where did it end up? |
| 14:39.38 | simonrvn | i do know, it's not hard to figure out. |
| 14:40.18 | avu | rapidshare 3.0 beta++? |
| 14:41.05 | simonrvn | "gf" |
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| 14:47.23 | kamp2tux | i am not a developer, can i remove/remark all those lines start with "deb-src" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:47.43 | theholyduck | kamp2tux, you can. :p |
| 14:47.48 | theholyduck | i like having them there |
| 14:47.59 | theholyduck | but there is no REAL reason for most people to have em |
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| 14:49.45 | kamp2tux | theholyduck: thanks, and what is the "volatile" indicated in the file ? is it important ? |
| 14:50.11 | theholyduck | no idea. my sources.list has like 6 entries and no comments. |
| 14:50.28 | abrotman | !volatile |
| 14:50.28 | dpkg | somebody said volatile was a project that aims at keeping the stable distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free |
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| 15:03.07 | zhangweiwu | how can I startx without -nolisten tcp? |
| 15:03.28 | zhangweiwu | I thought '-nolisten tcp' is burried somewhere in /usr/bin/startx but couldn't find it and remove it; |
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| 15:04.51 | asg | zhangweiwu: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc iirc |
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| 15:06.21 | zhangweiwu | asg: thanks a lot. I am also surprised to see '-dpi 100' there, how should it know my dpi? I guess I have something less than 50! (because I use s-video at NTSC) |
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| 15:06.54 | ToreadorVampire | Hi all - I'm using debootstrap in etch in order to install a new OS to an image file (mounted with mount -o loop) - that's working great, but I'm experiencing a strange problem right at the end of the build process ... |
| 15:07.08 | asg | zhangweiwu: there are generally two that are common. 100dpi and 75dpi. xdpyinfo may show what you are currently using. |
| 15:07.12 | ToreadorVampire | ... one of the last things that happens in my scripted install is: |
| 15:07.41 | ToreadorVampire | chroot $MOUNT_LOCATION usermod -p `mkpasswd $ROOT_PASS` root |
| 15:08.19 | ToreadorVampire | And it seems to work, but I keep getting a password prompt appear in my build script (at the point where I issued that chroot/usermod) |
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| 15:08.42 | ToreadorVampire | I have tried the steps manually, and I don't get that "Password:" prompt, it only appears when I'm scripting the install |
| 15:09.14 | ToreadorVampire | I'm also not 100% sure what is generating that prompt, since I can type just about anything I want into that password prompt, and nothing happens :s |
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| 15:16.05 | phanter | is there a way to position wmdrawer at the left bottom of the screen (cannot find it in the man page or on internet)? |
| 15:16.43 | aryah | worked! now, while waiting for some upgrades to finish, is it possible to avoid upgrading such a core library like libgtk2 and yet upgrade to unstable vlc by building it from the debian source package? using apt-get build-dep to get his dependencies from testing or? |
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| 15:17.21 | ToreadorVampire | Ah ... I think I know ... |
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| 15:19.42 | SRabbelier | I had a look at http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ but I'm wondering how good the support for that port is? Will I be able to use and install from regular debian package repositories with the only downside being that packages installed from there do not have 64-bit support? |
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| 15:19.59 | ToreadorVampire | If I type junk into that "Password:" prompt then the junk I type becomes the root password for the machine I'm installing |
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| 15:20.14 | ToreadorVampire | So somehow it's not understanding my usermod -p |
| 15:20.30 | zhangweiwu | a second strange behavior: Debian seems not reading /etc/X0.hosts (while other linuxes does) |
| 15:20.32 | ToreadorVampire | Let's some good old-fashioned quoting :) |
| 15:21.25 | zhangweiwu | I managed to solve it myself. use -noauth |
| 15:23.35 | o_ | does netinst support install into lvm's partition? |
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| 15:26.06 | SQlvpapir | I am trying to compile mythtv on amd64 debian w/o success. It stops because of some xinerama problem.. any hints? http://pastebin.com/m2ba42c51 |
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| 15:26.57 | HeXiLeD | im trying to get an ircp from a pci card and i seem to be mission something. lscpi and lswh cant seem me to output it . any other tool ? |
| 15:27.18 | abrotman | HeXiLeD: could be an irq issue |
| 15:27.18 | HeXiLeD | *missing |
| 15:27.21 | zhangweiwu | Hello. Which do you recommend me to ask this question? I got TV output through S-video in grayscale instead of color, video card is sis. |
| 15:27.34 | HeXiLeD | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.48 | riot | is there a good multi-core capable audio converter? |
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| 15:35.11 | ToreadorVampire | AHA! |
| 15:35.29 | ToreadorVampire | It's not the usermod -p step that's causing that password prompt, it's the mkpasswd step!!! |
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| 15:35.32 | ToreadorVampire | gadzooks! |
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| 15:36.54 | woden | I want to create a customized live CD using Debian. Are there any tools to help with this? |
| 15:37.21 | nareshov | !livecd |
| 15:37.21 | dpkg | methinks livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends.Debian may one day have its own LiveCD: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on irc.oftc.net, or http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 15:37.33 | nareshov | hm |
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| 15:43.30 | woden | nareshov: Debian "may one day" have its own LiveCD. So I take it, that day has not arrived. |
| 15:43.31 | johnrw | If I wanted to make a frontend for a program like fdupes... that just finds all the duplicate files in a directory... what might be involved in such a task? |
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| 15:44.51 | aryah | any practical way to get rid of various packages imported by apt-get build-dep after its compiled? |
| 15:45.16 | dogan | hi.. i connected my laptop to my other monitor. so how can i blank the laptop monitor ? |
| 15:45.20 | dogan | anybody can help |
| 15:45.21 | aryah | its over a hundred of them... |
| 15:45.23 | dogan | ? |
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| 15:46.30 | cahoot | dogan: xrandr --output LVDS (or such) --off? |
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| 15:47.18 | dogan | ok im tring.. |
| 15:47.41 | cahoot | dogan: change lvds to what xrandr calls your display (xrandr -q) |
| 15:48.12 | dogan | i wrote... xrandr --output LVDS |
| 15:48.16 | dogan | and it worked.. |
| 15:48.22 | dogan | the laptop screen is off |
| 15:48.24 | dogan | thanks |
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| 15:50.04 | hallowname | will debian accept EUPL licensed projects? |
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| 15:55.37 | aryah | hallowname, probably, FSF seems to think its free, debian-legal probably has to check it first... |
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| 15:57.07 | hallowname | aryah: it is GPL compatible, can be mixed with gpl code to produce a gpl licensed outcome... i hope it does. id like to push eupl software at europe :) |
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| 15:59.00 | zhangweiwu | I read multiple howto on making pulseaudio server to listen incoming network connection, all use GUI tools. Is there a non-gui way to do it? My Debian pre-installed is crippled by manufacturer and lack gui pref tools for pulseaudio. |
| 15:59.27 | zhangweiwu | man pulse-daemon.conf didn't get me related info |
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| 16:03.39 | aryah | hallowname: Im not a debian developer, and agree with your assesment: new maintainers guide seems to put the burden of deciding whether some licence is DSFG compatible on the maintainer of an individual package, and if unsure , to check with debian-legal mailinglist if they think its ok. So probably all it takes is for a maintainer to get interested in packaging something under EUPL to get into debian |
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| 16:04.52 | hallowname | aryah: kool thx :) im going to release a few little apps under eupl pretty soon i think. ill b watching debian-legal. |
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| 16:05.59 | [FireBird] | I have a question.... OpenVZ, XEN o Vserver?? |
| 16:06.46 | xoz | [FireBird]: what? |
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| 16:07.52 | phanter | Anybody else who has the problem that wmdrawer closes unexpectedly (constantly) without error message? Anyody an idea what could cause this crash? |
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| 16:10.16 | xoz | phanter: what window manager are you using? openbox? |
| 16:10.23 | phanter | yes openbox |
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| 16:11.06 | phanter | Is openbox the problem? |
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| 16:11.55 | kogyaru | greetings. would a Paul Martin (pm@debian.org) be on here? I had a question about one of the packages he's maintaining, milter-greylist (a sendmail plugin) |
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| 16:13.08 | alexfranci_ | why usermodelinux is sooooooo slow? |
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| 16:14.41 | xoz | phanter: maybe you can use wmbutton |
| 16:15.21 | kogyaru | I could ask my question generally, I suppose. I'm interested in a package from unstable, but it uses a later version of libc than what I have in lenny. |
| 16:16.07 | kogyaru | I'm leery of attempting to upgrade my libc, and would like to request that the maintainer use the libc pegged to lenny, but I probably am missing something (e.g. some understanding) of whether it's a good or bad idea to do so. |
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| 16:16.34 | kogyaru | in this case, the libc against which the package is built is 2.9, while lenny's is 2.7-1 |
| 16:17.09 | jelly-hme | kogyaru: create a backport instead, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:17.15 | Wyzard | kogyaru: sid packages are built against sid libraries |
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| 16:17.36 | kogyaru | sid is the term for the unstable OS branch? |
| 16:17.39 | Wyzard | yes |
| 16:17.47 | xoz | !simple sid backport |
| 16:17.47 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 16:18.15 | kogyaru | cool, I'll try that. thank you. |
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| 16:18.27 | esaym | how do I set the timezone from commandline? |
| 16:18.52 | aryah | im trying something similar, upgrading to unstable vlc (on a testing machine) w/o upgrading libgtk2, thx |
| 16:18.57 | dacs | Debian installer is say that missing firmware file IPW2200.fw , and i think that is the file for my wireless card, how can i get it |
| 16:19.21 | alenoosh | hi all , I'm checking my system log to understand what causes my system to shutdown unexpectedly , the messages related to the time of system shutdown start with the following message : debian dhcdbd: Started Up. what does this mean ? How can I understand the cause of system shutdown ? |
| 16:19.25 | Wyzard | dacs: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:19.56 | hallowname | im having a nice little issue with lenny where everything runs perfect... except konqueror... it doesn't segfault, give debug, spawn a process, nothin... im confused. tips? |
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| 16:20.06 | Wyzard | alenoosh: dhcdbd is a wrapper for dhclient that gives it a DBus interface so that it can be controlled by NetworkManager |
| 16:20.08 | hark | dacs: it's in nonfree nowadays, iirc |
| 16:20.11 | aryah | any practical way to get rid of 100+ packages biuld-dep is downloading right now after I-m finished? |
| 16:20.23 | Wyzard | alenoosh: It's very unlikely that dhcdbd has anything to do with random shutdowns |
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| 16:20.43 | Wyzard | hark: always been non-free afaik |
| 16:21.12 | phanter | xoz: wmbutton only support 3x3 button areas... or I am mistaking there |
| 16:21.13 | Wyzard | dacs: specifically, http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
| 16:21.14 | hallowname | aryah: wow, build-dep for vlc has 100+ deps? |
| 16:21.17 | xoz | alenoosh: start with minimal daemon... boot init single and see if you can have no shutdown. possible driver problem |
| 16:21.21 | xoz | phanter: yep |
| 16:21.34 | phanter | oke, :( then it is not what I am looking for... |
| 16:21.36 | xoz | phanter: try fbpanel also. good for openbox |
| 16:21.46 | aryah | sadly, seem so |
| 16:21.49 | kogyaru | hallowname: the video encoder/decoder programs use tons (tons) of components |
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| 16:22.09 | xoz | alenoosh: disable acpi or apic or apm |
| 16:22.20 | hark | Wyzard: i meant the package, debian now includes it in non-free |
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| 16:22.48 | Wyzard | oh, I see |
| 16:23.03 | phanter | xoz: Maybe a stupid question, but did you try wmdrawer and did it crash for you as well? Any idea why it did crash? |
| 16:23.10 | Wyzard | Now that you mention it, you're right -- I remember installing it on my laptop a month or two ago |
| 16:23.12 | hark | Wyzard: don't know how they got around the license issue |
| 16:23.16 | xoz | phanter: working for me. |
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| 16:23.21 | Wyzard | but that's in sid; dunno whether it's in lenny |
| 16:23.25 | xoz | phanter: try running in the terminal |
| 16:23.33 | hark | !info firmware-ipw2x00 lenny |
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| 16:23.41 | phanter | xoz: I did, it just tells me "bye bye thansk for using ..." |
| 16:23.45 | alenoosh | xoz, |
| 16:23.51 | xoz | alenoosh: yep |
| 16:23.56 | dacs | hark: yeah, who cares i just want the darn thing to work , not to modify it :) |
| 16:24.20 | dpkg | firmware-ipw2x00: (Binary firmware for Intel Pro Wireless 2100, 2200 and 2915), section non-free/admin, is optional. Version: 0.14 (lenny), Packaged size: 507 kB, Installed size: 1252 kB |
| 16:24.23 | xoz | phanter: pull the example config from the /usr/share/doc/wmdrawer... maybe your config has problem? |
| 16:24.45 | alenoosh | xoz, what do you mean by minimal daemon : disabling services ? |
| 16:24.54 | phanter | oke.. I will take an other (even closer) look to the config file :) |
| 16:24.56 | xoz | alenoosh: try init 1 |
| 16:25.03 | xoz | alenoosh: or init single |
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| 16:25.20 | xoz | alenoosh: edit grub prompt during boot to boot in single mode. |
| 16:25.41 | xoz | try to disable as many as daemons and modules loaded. |
| 16:25.55 | hallowname | kogyaru: i guess... i just compiled vlc the other day with no extra build-dep packages at all... i apparently had all the libs/includes already :P im a -dev junky... |
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| 16:26.24 | xoz | alenoosh: sometimes, you have to isolate which hardware module is killing you. if you can boot in single mode without shutdown, then i believe one of the hardware drivers has problem. |
| 16:26.29 | aryah | haha |
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| 16:26.40 | hark | dacs: /msg dpkg ipw2200 firmware |
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| 16:26.56 | xoz | alenoosh: also flaky apm/acpi/apic support... and also RAM. try mem86test |
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| 16:27.18 | ox2 | hi |
| 16:27.21 | ox2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.18 | ox2 | I'm used to using setting up apache/mysql/php with apt/aptitude |
| 16:28.26 | kogyaru | the first link for XAMPP on google shows a link to apachefriends.org, on which is a picture of a cute girl |
| 16:28.37 | ox2 | :-) |
| 16:28.40 | kogyaru | draws certain conclusions from that |
| 16:29.00 | Elive_user93_en | hi all. I did a reinstall of debian, but forgot to configure it to read NTFS. One of my hard drive partitions is NTFS and I cannot see it. How can i set debian to read ntfs without re-installing the whole OS ? |
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| 16:29.09 | alenoosh | xoz, thanks alot for your help, ... I'll try these ... |
| 16:29.14 | xoz | alenoosh: memtest86 |
| 16:29.19 | dacs | !tell hark tell |
| 16:29.31 | xoz | !tell alenoosh -about memtest86 |
| 16:29.34 | et | Elive_user93_en: use ntfs-3g |
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| 16:29.50 | Elive_user93_en | et: thats it? just that? |
| 16:29.51 | ox2 | I colleague thinks we schould try xampp for setting up some hosting on debian. |
| 16:30.10 | ox2 | I believe the debian way via apt should have it's benefits. |
| 16:30.17 | dacs | !tell hark about ipw2200 firmware |
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| 16:30.29 | Wyzard | ox2: It'd be better to use the Debian packages |
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| 16:30.38 | xoz | !xampp |
| 16:30.38 | dpkg | it has been said that xampp is a way of way of installing lots of packages that are already in Debian. Don't use XAMPP, instead use aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server gettext perl libapache2-mod-perl2 sqlite webalizer mcrypt expat proftpd zlib libpng3 libjpeg62 ... actually, just ask me about <search> |
| 16:30.48 | Elive_user93_en | THANK YOU ET for ur help. I will try it now. |
| 16:30.54 | kogyaru | heh |
| 16:31.00 | Wyzard | !ur |
| 16:31.00 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 16:31.17 | ox2 | I think XAMPP can just be started without installing it, just unpacking it. That is certainly one benefit. But I guess I'm better of with packets because of the updating, security patches,.... |
| 16:31.40 | ox2 | Wyzard: thanks for your opinion |
| 16:31.44 | hark | dacs: yes? |
| 16:31.47 | ox2 | I think I'll stick to that |
| 16:31.49 | dacs | :) |
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| 16:31.55 | kogyaru | what does the 'x' in 'xampp' stand for? |
| 16:32.04 | Wyzard | ox2: In general, installing non-packaged stuff should be a last resort |
| 16:32.09 | kogyaru | oh, 'cross-platform' |
| 16:32.16 | ox2 | ok |
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| 16:32.51 | Wyzard | ox2: btw, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XAMPP "Officially, XAMPP's designers intended it for use only as a development tool, to allow website designers and programmers to test their work on their own computers without any access to the Internet. To make this as easy as possible, many important security features are disabled by default." |
| 16:33.25 | xoz | similar to bitnami |
| 16:33.32 | alenoosh | xoz, thanks alot :) |
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| 16:34.07 | ox2 | Wyzard: huh, I should have wiki'd it, sorry. I didn't stumble over that. Thanks. Now it's clear. I should use the good old apt way. |
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| 16:35.14 | dacs | how do i know what is my domain name |
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| 16:36.06 | ox2 | Wyzard: thanks |
| 16:36.32 | t325 | Hello, what is the most straight-forward way to encrypt an existing tar.bz2 archive and preserve its integrity in Debian Etch'n'Half? |
| 16:37.19 | t325 | tried gpg with no luck |
| 16:37.19 | xoz | dacs: hostname -f |
| 16:37.20 | Bryan92 | hi |
| 16:37.20 | Bryan92 | anyone familiar a lot with grep |
| 16:37.20 | abrotman | Bryan92: just ask |
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| 16:37.20 | xoz | dacs: or hostname -d |
| 16:37.20 | t325 | (the md5sum of the original archive and of the decrypted one differ) |
| 16:37.20 | Bryan92 | I do: 'cat file | grep product' where product is something which always looks like this 11223344|PRODUCT (such stuff on each line) now I want to grep everything from another textfile that starts with everything before |PRODUCT |
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| 16:37.39 | Bryan92 | abrotman: you get what i mean? |
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| 16:38.20 | abrotman | UUOC |
| 16:38.33 | xoz | Bryan92: explain more... give example |
| 16:39.09 | Wyzard | t325: I would say gpg is the answer |
| 16:39.11 | Bryan92 | xoz: cat products_frm1 | grep fruit |
| 16:39.13 | Bryan92 | gives |
| 16:39.13 | Wyzard | t325: You say gpg corrupts your file? |
| 16:39.18 | abrotman | for i in $(grep 123|PRO | awk -F| '{print $1)' ; do grep $i otherfile ; done |
| 16:39.19 | Bryan92 | 11223344|fruit1 |
| 16:39.45 | abrotman | whoops .. the $() is missing hte first filename .. but you get the ideal |
| 16:39.54 | Bryan92 | abrotman: i only want to grep PRODUCTNAME |
| 16:39.54 | abrotman | oh .. might have to escape the -F\| |
| 16:40.04 | Bryan92 | and then search for everything before | |
| 16:40.16 | Bryan92 | it doesn't always look like 11223344|PRODUCT |
| 16:40.19 | Bryan92 | but can also look like |
| 16:40.22 | Bryan92 | 22334422|blabla |
| 16:40.24 | abrotman | Bryan92: you're going to have to give us a specific exmaple .. put the stuff in paste.debian.net |
| 16:40.25 | Bryan92 | you get what i mean? |
| 16:40.35 | xoz | Bryan92: still vague |
| 16:40.36 | Bryan92 | sec |
| 16:40.46 | t325 | alternatively, how to do something like in OS X - that is create an encrypted disk image? Wyzard: yes, it seems so - I must be missing something obvious. I use the following command: gpg-zip -r --encrypt --symmetric --output archive.zip archive.tar.bz2, the latter one being the file to encrypt. |
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| 16:41.46 | Wyzard | t325: "archive.zip" isn't an appropriate filename to use for the output, though it wouldn't affect the contents of the file |
| 16:41.56 | Wyzard | t325: Use "archive.tar.bz2.gpg" or "archive.gpg" |
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| 16:42.13 | aryah | like a database with two tables, linked by a key? 1122334 is the key, in one table linked to say product s, in another to say customers? now you want all the customers of a -'queried' product? |
| 16:42.16 | xoz | Bryan92: for i in `cat products`; do cat file| grep $i; done |
| 16:42.41 | Wyzard | oh, nevermind, I missed that you used "gpg-zip" |
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| 16:44.09 | t325 | also tried gpg-zip -r --encrypt --symmetric --output archive.zip --gpg-args '--cipher-algo=AES256 --digest-algo=SHA256' archive.tar.bz2 as advised on http://osdir.com/ml/sysutils.backup.duplicity.general/2007-04/msg00019.html , but the md5sums still differ.. Wyzard: do you think that the fact that gpg-zip "rezips" the archive could be the problem? |
| 16:44.10 | Wyzard | ...but reading the manpage, it looks like that produces an encrypted .tar file, not a .zip file, so my original statement still stands: don't use ".zip" in the output filename |
| 16:44.24 | dacs | ok how do i resize my windows partition to install debian, i thought debian will do it for me frim the installer |
| 16:44.27 | paxcoder | distro question. I pop in an old lenny-is-testing CD. I choose network mirrors. Do I get stable lenny, or testing lenny or squeeze? |
| 16:44.37 | paxcoder | dacs: use gparted |
| 16:44.47 | paxcoder | nice GUI and all |
| 16:44.51 | t325 | Wyzard: but the filename shouldn't influence the md5sum of the file should it? |
| 16:45.01 | Geek`N`Proud | paxcoder: you get stable lenny |
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| 16:45.09 | dacs | paxcoder: how can i do that in the installer |
| 16:45.12 | paxcoder | Geek`N`Proud: I want squeeze. |
| 16:45.18 | paxcoder | dacs: you can't |
| 16:45.20 | Geek`N`Proud | paxcoder: then get the latest testing snapshot |
| 16:45.27 | Wyzard | t325: There's nothing incorrect about compressing data that's already compressed (it's wasteful, but it doesn't affect the decompressability of the data) |
| 16:45.28 | aryah | theres no installer yet i think |
| 16:45.34 | paxcoder | Geek`N`Proud: why? because you don't know? |
| 16:45.43 | Geek`N`Proud | paxcoder: I do know |
| 16:45.47 | Geek`N`Proud | my testing CDs give me lenny |
| 16:45.48 | paxcoder | you could answer then. |
| 16:45.54 | paxcoder | Geek`N`Proud: stable? |
| 16:45.54 | Wyzard | t325: Since you're only compressing one file, you should use plain gpg rather than gpg-zip |
| 16:46.00 | Geek`N`Proud | yes |
| 16:46.04 | Wyzard | t325: gpg-zip is for putting multiple files into a single encrypted archive |
| 16:46.08 | aryah | couldnt you just dist-upgrade after installation? |
| 16:46.15 | Geek`N`Proud | paxcoder: they suffix the deb lines with lenny |
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| 16:46.36 | Geek`N`Proud | the pre-lenny testing CDs do |
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| 16:46.53 | Geek`N`Proud | so the pre-squeeze testing CDs should give you squeeze |
| 16:46.53 | paxcoder | Geek`N`Proud: yep. you're right. but perhaps i should upgrade, downloading is a drag. |
| 16:47.02 | Geek`N`Proud | well upgrading is easy |
| 16:47.07 | t325 | ok thanks |
| 16:47.14 | dacs | paxcoder: can you suggest how i do that please |
| 16:47.15 | Geek`N`Proud | just replace lenny with squeeze in the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:47.21 | paxcoder | Geek`N`Proud: i have lenny testing. what would that give me? lenny no? |
| 16:47.30 | Geek`N`Proud | yeah that would give you lenny |
| 16:47.40 | Geek`N`Proud | the repos will have lenny on the end |
| 16:47.49 | paxcoder | dacs: you'll have to pop in a live CD or if you already have a distro on, use that. |
| 16:47.50 | Geek`N`Proud | or they did when I installed from testing |
| 16:48.16 | paxcoder | dacs: perhaps you would be able to run fdisk in ash (the shell that runs with the instalation) but i don't know how. |
| 16:48.35 | paxcoder | Geek`N`Proud: i'll upgrade. thx |
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| 16:49.11 | paxcoder | is: |
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| 16:49.17 | Geek`N`Proud | paxcoder: I read somewhere that security support won't be 100% for a while with squeeze |
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| 16:50.00 | aryah | Geek: yeah..., ive seen that just after having upgraded :) |
| 16:50.13 | xoz | squeeze has no security support. |
| 16:50.24 | Geek`N`Proud | xoz_: it will do soon |
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| 16:50.41 | Geek`N`Proud | testing now has it as standard.. but not for a little while following each stable release |
| 16:51.17 | dacs | paxcoder i got to the shell by alt -F2 :) |
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| 16:51.34 | aryah | btw is there a place to find some really old debian release, for some chroot env for say loki installers or something like that, before etch? |
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| 16:52.17 | smiler_ | hi |
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| 16:52.29 | aryah | hi |
| 16:52.30 | smiler_ | i want to switch to a rolling release debian |
| 16:52.39 | valan | hello |
| 16:52.43 | smiler_ | would you recommend testing or sid? |
| 16:52.49 | aryah | testing! |
| 16:52.54 | valan | quick question (i hope) |
| 16:53.08 | valan | how can i remove a package without removing the stuff that depends on it? |
| 16:53.18 | dacs | how do i use fdisk for resize my ntfs partition |
| 16:53.23 | xoz | smiler_: how much rolling you want to experience? |
| 16:53.28 | aryah | :) |
| 16:53.51 | et | valan: why do you want to keep packages that are broken? |
| 16:53.57 | spacepluk | valan: why would you do that? |
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| 16:54.06 | valan | they won't be broken |
| 16:54.18 | valan | suphp needs php-cgi to work, which is installed |
| 16:54.23 | valan | php-cli interferes |
| 16:54.35 | valan | removing php-cli will remove suphp and virtualmin, which would mess me all up |
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| 16:54.49 | hark | valan: /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
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| 16:55.05 | et | hark: he's talking about dependencies. |
| 16:55.25 | et | valan: what do you mean with "interferes"? |
| 16:55.54 | valan | when php-cli is installed, suphp is catching the php-cli binary, making .php scripts not run right with apache |
| 16:55.56 | smiler_ | xoz, how much? the systen shouldn't be to old, like debian stable... |
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| 16:57.51 | xoz | smiler_: how old is old? |
| 16:57.51 | aryah | generally debian is full of warnings about running a pure sid if not very experienced: supposedly critical parts of the system occasionaly break, and one should know how do deal with them... thats at least what the guides say, I didnt try |
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| 16:58.32 | xoz | smiler_: you can basically install stable and use virtualization to install sid and testing |
| 16:58.37 | aryah | you can import individual packages if you need them from sid, other repositories, compile from source or debian source packages.. |
| 16:58.38 | valan | nvm i've been fooled |
| 16:58.39 | hark | valan: which package is suphp in? |
| 16:58.49 | xoz | smiler_: if you want safe rolling... you can also install virtualbox |
| 16:59.00 | valan | suphp was in fact catching the right php, it was the php script that was jacked up |
| 16:59.09 | valan | hark suphp is in the suphp package... |
| 16:59.22 | valan | err, suphp-common |
| 16:59.26 | valan | sorry |
| 16:59.39 | valan | and the apache module in libapache2-mod-suphp |
| 16:59.56 | xoz | smiler_: using virtualization makes your rolling safer but will not compromise speed and experimentation. |
| 17:00.18 | aryah | though I'd expect virtualisation to be quite a resource hungry sollution. at least from my until recently memory starved perspective.. |
| 17:00.29 | smiler_ | i do not need everything new new, but some apps like gimp, openoffice, sometimes kernel etc... should be newer |
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| 17:00.53 | xoz | encourage use of sid as long as it is not in the main system. sid provides lots of learning opportunities. |
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| 17:01.10 | aryah | hm, thx for the tip xoz |
| 17:01.17 | smiler_ | for example oo3 opens some work files that oo2 cannot |
| 17:01.27 | smiler_ | or...it opens them, but they do not look really good :) |
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| 17:01.38 | dbbolton | which smtp host should reportbug be using? |
| 17:01.50 | abrotman | dbbolton: yours |
| 17:01.52 | smiler_ | i meant works files |
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| 17:02.24 | dbbolton | abrotman so i have to set up a mailserver if i want to report bugs with it? |
| 17:02.31 | KineticBug | If a host has given me access to multiple IPs, how do I set these up as interfaces, anyone have a good tutorial/article for me to read/understand a bit better? :) |
| 17:02.33 | aryah | also, 3d acceleration doesnt work inside virtualisation.. |
| 17:02.34 | abrotman | no, use your ISPs |
| 17:02.43 | abrotman | dbbolton: like smtp.verizon.net .. if that exists |
| 17:03.03 | dbbolton | abrotman thanks |
| 17:04.06 | xoz | aryah: you also want to roll huh? hehe |
| 17:04.29 | quentusrex_ | Hello, is this a good channel to ask about iptables rules? |
| 17:04.54 | abrotman | #iptables might be better |
| 17:05.00 | abrotman | depends what you want to know about them |
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| 17:05.18 | aryah | I went from a internet-less etch to squeeze few weeks ago, getting net access and a little ram. Its very fun, just playing with the system :) |
| 17:05.31 | quentusrex_ | I am trying to setup a 'two level' vpn network. One one group A systems can not access anything, but all of group B can access group A, and B can access B. |
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| 17:05.45 | quentusrex_ | it will be separated into different subnets... |
| 17:07.01 | xoz | aryah: yeah. debian is fun. you'll never exhaust the opportunity to discover and learn. just do calculated risk... always have a dual boot of stable together with unstable... or place unstable in a virtual system. |
| 17:07.07 | quentusrex_ | So the whole point of the Group A, is so that the Group B can access each of the clients.... but I don't want A to be able to access other A's, nor any B's..... Would that be possible with iptables? |
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| 17:08.19 | aryah | kk, thx |
| 17:08.30 | dacs | can i use fdisk from ash to resize the partition of my windows laptop |
| 17:08.47 | Bryan92 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/30582/ |
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| 17:08.51 | Bryan92 | and anyone else: http://paste.debian.net/30582/ |
| 17:09.31 | xoz | dacs: i used parted to resize vfat before.... not ntfs. and the files are ok. |
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| 17:10.06 | xoz | dacs: but better backup. |
| 17:10.32 | abrotman | Bryan92: for i in $(grep YELLOW productnames.txt | awk -F\| '{print $1}') ; do grep $i actualproducts.txt ; done |
| 17:10.43 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 17:10.49 | abrotman | waits for someone to yell at hime |
| 17:11.04 | Bryan92 | thanks will try |
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| 17:12.02 | aryah | hehe something like "SELECT * FROM productnames NATURAL JOIN actualproducts WHERE productnames.color=%s" |
| 17:12.22 | abrotman | aryah: except .. not SQL ? |
| 17:12.23 | dacs | abrotman: WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING |
| 17:12.26 | dacs | :P |
| 17:12.27 | aryah | yes :( |
| 17:12.38 | aryah | :) |
| 17:12.44 | abrotman | dacs: that's better |
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| 17:12.51 | aryah | but that might have been a way to explain :) |
| 17:12.58 | Bryan92 | abrotman: doesn't work |
| 17:12.59 | dacs | abrotman: WAKEUP |
| 17:13.09 | abrotman | Bryan92: why not? |
| 17:14.05 | Bryan92 | | awk -F\| |
| 17:14.07 | Bryan92 | what does this do? |
| 17:14.14 | Bryan92 | the command didn't return what i wanted |
| 17:14.18 | abrotman | it pipes it to awk so you can get just the first part before the | |
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| 17:14.55 | KineticBug | Hey guys, my host just provisioned me 3 new IPs, with a new gateway and subnet mask. How would I go about adding these as interfaces? Can anyone point me to a good guide for learning/understanding this? |
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| 17:15.10 | xoz | -F\| is a field separator |
| 17:15.17 | xoz | ah, wrong |
| 17:15.18 | Bryan92 | and then it greps that code from file actualproducts.txt? |
| 17:15.28 | Bryan92 | all lines? |
| 17:15.29 | nareshov | KineticBug: administration > network |
| 17:15.31 | abrotman | xoz: that's right |
| 17:15.36 | abrotman | Bryan92: it should .. yes |
| 17:15.38 | mrAZ | my IDE is sis5531, i am installing testing. i get No disk drive detected, i select sis5531 and is no good. any idea ? |
| 17:15.40 | nareshov | KineticBug: static connection and set those things in there |
| 17:15.45 | dacs | abrotman: you know a way that i can use ash to resize ntfs partition? |
| 17:15.53 | KineticBug | nareshov, I only have shell access |
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| 17:16.13 | nareshov | KineticBug: read 'man interfaces |
| 17:16.18 | Bryan92 | abrotman: i think it works but |
| 17:16.19 | abrotman | dacs: ash the shell ? |
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| 17:16.27 | dacs | yes abrotman |
| 17:16.30 | KineticBug | Hokay |
| 17:16.31 | Bryan92 | abrotman: i want to be sure the code thats grepped |
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| 17:16.39 | abrotman | Bryan92: eh ? |
| 17:16.43 | Bryan92 | is only the first 8 characters from actualproducts.txt |
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| 17:17.05 | xoz | Bryan92: use cut |
| 17:17.06 | abrotman | Bryan92: this would be more productive if i didn't have to read five lines to get one thought :) |
| 17:17.12 | abrotman | but yes, use cut |
| 17:17.19 | xoz | Bryan92: cut -d| -f1 |
| 17:17.32 | abrotman | xoz: no .. he wants to limit the awked bit to only 8 chars |
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| 17:17.38 | abrotman | i think |
| 17:17.39 | xoz | abrotman: hah |
| 17:17.46 | abruptus | I cannot install from sid or experimental sources in lenny I figured out, since somebody let me know it is an unexpected behaviour |
| 17:18.14 | Kuifje111 | does GRUB select your HDD according the settings in the bios? |
| 17:18.14 | abrotman | so grep foo products | awk -F\| '{print $1}' | cut -c -8 .. or something like that |
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| 17:18.34 | abrotman | abrotman: you shouldn't be doing that anyways |
| 17:18.39 | jpinx | abruptus: just upgrade your existing lenny then |
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| 17:19.08 | Bryan92 | abrotman: is there a possibility to sort the result of this command ? |
| 17:19.18 | Bryan92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.22 | jpinx | Kuifje111: no |
| 17:19.24 | abrotman | Bryan92: which part of it ? |
| 17:19.26 | Bryan92 | after actualproducts.txt |
| 17:19.29 | Bryan92 | the result |
| 17:19.31 | Kuifje111 | does GRUB select the HDD order from the bios, for instance primary as hdd(0) |
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| 17:19.33 | Bryan92 | i directly want to sort it |
| 17:19.38 | aryah | w pipe to sort? |
| 17:19.38 | abrotman | sure .. grep $i actualprodcuts | sort |
| 17:19.45 | abruptus | jpinx: you mean the whole distro? hm I would rather install particual programs |
| 17:20.04 | Kuifje111 | jpinx, i switched my primary HDD to another port today |
| 17:20.12 | Kuifje111 | but now it doesnt boot anymore |
| 17:20.12 | xoz | Bryan92 is having a regular expression lesson 101 |
| 17:20.14 | abruptus | to make sure my os remains stable |
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| 17:20.24 | Kuifje111 | but it's still primary in the bios |
| 17:20.25 | abrotman | xoz: we didn't even get that far yet .. |
| 17:20.31 | xoz | abrotman: haha |
| 17:20.38 | jpinx | abruptus: you are looking at backporting maybe |
| 17:20.42 | aryah | more like bash - implemented db engine :) |
| 17:21.00 | jpinx | !tell abruptus about backports |
| 17:21.03 | abrotman | aryah: not all data arrives in a DB .. sometimes this junk is required |
| 17:21.21 | leOn | hrm .. shouldn't dpkg-deb create the DEBIAN folder when extracting a .deb ? |
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| 17:21.37 | aryah | i understand, still bit funny to look :) |
| 17:21.43 | Superbartt | I think I've fucked up a little... I removed all my xorg and gnome packages and have reinstalled them (using apt), but now my gnome doens't want to start completly anymore, it fails back to a xterm because it can't start my session... Now i've ran tasksel and removed and reinstalled the Desktop Enviroment.. but it's still giving the same error |
| 17:21.48 | xoz | wow, this technique of text processing has been there eversince the birth of unix |
| 17:22.38 | abrotman | xoz: hard to believe! |
| 17:22.39 | xoz | Superbartt: try removing your old .gnome or create a new user and check if gnome starts using that user |
| 17:22.58 | abruptus | jpinx: do you know why I can't install from other sources than lenny? is there any reason for this? |
| 17:23.02 | jpinx | Superbartt: you might need to aptitude purge the packages you have already removed and then aptitude install them |
| 17:23.06 | xoz | abrotman: it only shows the unix creators are way advance of their time :) |
| 17:23.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:23.14 | Superbartt | jpinx oh yes, I also did that |
| 17:23.21 | abrotman | Bryan92: got it all sorted out? |
| 17:23.28 | jpinx | abruptus: did you read the msg from dpkg? |
| 17:23.33 | Superbartt | xoz i'm again removing it, and going to purge it... and then goanna check with an other user, let's see what happens |
| 17:23.59 | jpinx | Superbartt: do the purge as root |
| 17:24.05 | abruptus | jpinx: oh I didn't see the query sorry |
| 17:24.14 | Superbartt | yes ofcourse :p |
| 17:24.39 | jpinx | abruptus: there are other references for you to install packages from squeeze and sid |
| 17:25.21 | leOn | how can i extract the control files from a package? .. dpkg-deb -x only extracts the package files |
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| 17:25.35 | abruptus | jpinx: okay thanks I'll try that |
| 17:25.47 | xoz | this is what makes debian apt very cool. it relies on text representation unlike rpms... |
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| 17:26.01 | leOn | repackaging complains about not having DEBIAN/control, etc |
| 17:26.03 | abruptus | jpinx: oh and are there any how-tos on how to make your own backport? |
| 17:26.23 | xoz | so the unix text processing becomes handy to hack apt configs and related files. |
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| 17:26.31 | abrotman | leOn: ar x foo.deb .. then tar -zxf the control stuff .. i think is what you're looking for |
| 17:26.38 | jpinx | Kuifje111: you might have to re-configure grub |
| 17:26.52 | jpinx | abruptus: see www.backports.org |
| 17:26.53 | KineticBug | Hey guys, this is right if I'm adding new interfaces for newly provisioned IPs: http://privatepaste.com/7000d9UFEO - If you need more info let me know. |
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| 17:27.21 | nareshov | KineticBug: you have 3 network cards? |
| 17:27.33 | abrotman | KineticBug: do those physical NICs exist in the system ? |
| 17:27.37 | abrotman | nareshov: four |
| 17:27.39 | nareshov | o |
| 17:27.42 | KineticBug | Ahhh |
| 17:27.43 | leOn | abrotman: i've done that kind of thing before, but wouldn't remember now and couldn't find any info |
| 17:27.49 | KineticBug | No, I guess I'm reading this wrong |
| 17:27.50 | leOn | thanks for the reminder =) |
| 17:27.52 | abrotman | leOn: got it now ? |
| 17:28.00 | abrotman | KineticBug: you want aliased NICs ? |
| 17:28.03 | abrotman | like eth0:0 ? |
| 17:28.10 | KineticBug | Yeh |
| 17:28.26 | KineticBug | Basically the 3 other IPs should just be there to make outgoing connections |
| 17:28.26 | abruptus | jpinx: I've already looked there but I don't seem to find any how-tos or tutorials to make your own backports |
| 17:28.42 | abruptus | to create them |
| 17:29.09 | jpinx | abruptus: I am not proficient enough to tackle that, but I have seen references to making backports. giyf |
| 17:29.12 | aryah | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 17:29.14 | aryah | perhaps? |
| 17:30.04 | abruptus | jpinx: ok thanks again |
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| 17:30.15 | jpinx | abruptus: np |
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| 17:30.39 | abruptus | aryah: I don't know? |
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| 17:30.57 | cahoot | abruptus: try /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:32.07 | xoz | wrestles the bed.... |
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| 17:32.26 | jpinx | thanks cahoot - that's the reference I had seen |
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| 17:32.44 | jpinx | !tell abruptus about ssb |
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| 17:33.19 | abruptus | cahoot, jpinx: yea thanks I'm just trying this |
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| 17:37.50 | Superbartt | damn, apt-get --purge remove gnome* xorg* takes a while :X :P |
| 17:38.31 | abruptus | if I want to get the sources of vlc with "apt-get -b source vlc", its still downloading the ones from 0.8.6 |
| 17:39.15 | aryah | -t unstable? |
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| 17:39.52 | KineticBug | Howdy again guys, I'm trying to install new NIC alias' for newly provisioned IPs, is this config correct? I'm not very good with networking, sorry for the silly question(s), http://privatepaste.com/aa1y5jANJh |
| 17:40.00 | abruptus | aryah: doesnt do the thing |
| 17:40.01 | leOn | abrotman: yep, got it. thanks =) |
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| 17:40.05 | aryah | hm |
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| 17:41.03 | aryah | but, im just downloading it , 0.9.8a-2 |
| 17:41.08 | abrotman | KineticBug: that looks better |
| 17:41.08 | abruptus | aryah: I've got "deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main" in the sources.list though |
| 17:41.15 | JyZyXEL | man i just wonder who the fuck made the network-manager-gnome package |
| 17:41.21 | abrotman | KineticBug: except you only need one gateway |
| 17:41.23 | aryah | perpaps pinning priorities? |
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| 17:41.29 | JyZyXEL | you uninstall it and it fucking brings networking down |
| 17:41.34 | KineticBug | Ah, so only declare that once? |
| 17:41.42 | Superbartt | again running tasksel, 233 packages to install :x |
| 17:41.46 | JyZyXEL | i mean jesus fucking christ maybe put some warning there |
| 17:41.50 | MegafEee | hi, how to extract .gz? |
| 17:41.54 | KineticBug | Each alias only needs the netmask and address? |
| 17:41.57 | abruptus | aryah: never heard of that |
| 17:42.00 | Superbartt | gunzip MegafEee |
| 17:42.01 | kunal | helllo. i am in debian live CD mode. is there anyways i can download a package manager to start the installation now. as in start installing debain now? |
| 17:42.11 | kunal | on to the HDD from the CD or the internet |
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| 17:42.21 | leOn | dman |
| 17:42.37 | OpenTokix | JyZyXEL: My apt-get varns me when it is going to remove or install more packages then I specify =) |
| 17:43.05 | MegafEee | thanks Superbartt |
| 17:43.10 | JyZyXEL | well i wasn't talking about that now wasn't i |
| 17:43.18 | KineticBug | abrotman, how's this http://privatepaste.com/330Bv5QIwW ? I'm a little bit anxious about running this, as I only have remote access and don't feel like paying support to revert the changes hehe |
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| 17:43.27 | Bryan92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.34 | abruptus | aryah: you know I have downloaded the etch release some days before the release of lenny and I've also upgraded to it just 2 days before, that was coincidental :) |
| 17:43.36 | Bryan92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.39 | Bryan92 | like that abrotman |
| 17:43.39 | Bryan92 | ? |
| 17:44.03 | Gigantic | hi, I am trying to uninstall htdig but I get this: |
| 17:44.04 | Gigantic | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 17:44.06 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.11 | Gigantic | oops srry... |
| 17:44.24 | Gigantic | I dont want to remove kde... just htdig |
| 17:44.35 | abrotman | Bryan92: no ... "grep $i actualproducts.txt | sort > new" |
| 17:44.50 | abruptus | aryah: so what are pinning priorities? |
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| 17:44.54 | aryah | aortman: im just playing with this first time so cant really help - but I've edited /etc/apt/preferences and put repositories there under priorities, some repos of specific projects highest, testing then (my target release), and unstable lowest |
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| 17:45.24 | Bryan92 | abrotman: it gives back on the next line |
| 17:45.25 | Bryan92 | > |
| 17:45.26 | Bryan92 | only |
| 17:45.31 | Bryan92 | any idea what i do wrong? |
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| 17:45.55 | abrotman | Bryan92: paste the whole script you're using in a paste.debian.net |
| 17:45.56 | avu | Bryan92, you forgot the 'done' |
| 17:46.19 | aryah | http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 17:46.22 | avu | Bryan92, "grep $i actualproducts.txt; done | sort > new" |
| 17:46.29 | avu | Bryan92, is probably what you want (for the end) |
| 17:46.38 | abrotman | avu: i think he wants to sort each grep |
| 17:46.49 | abruptus | aryah: well my preferences file is very empty |
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| 17:47.06 | avu | abrotman, then he'd oeverwrite 'new' in every iteration of the loop though.. |
| 17:47.12 | avu | abrotman, pretty pointless :) |
| 17:47.23 | abrotman | avu: i'm not in charge of his thoughts! |
| 17:47.41 | aryah | perpaps apt-get -b source vlc/unstable would work without changing it? |
| 17:47.42 | avu | abrotman, well and who's fault is that! |
| 17:48.15 | abruptus | aryah: no it doesn't find anything |
| 17:48.43 | Bryan92 | abrotman: I just did |
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| 17:48.55 | Bryan92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.11 | avu | Bryan92, that still won't work |
| 17:49.13 | aryah | and the source repository of unstable is in sources list? I dont know, then perhaps preferences file is the only difference in our setup, try playing with that |
| 17:49.19 | avu | Bryan92, do you read what I write at all? :( |
| 17:49.32 | Bryan92 | avu: oops sorry missed |
| 17:49.34 | Bryan92 | will check now |
| 17:49.53 | KineticBug | abrotman, it works! Success! |
| 17:49.58 | abrotman | KineticBug: sorry |
| 17:49.58 | KineticBug | dances away |
| 17:50.11 | KineticBug | No worries, you helped plenty :) |
| 17:50.15 | aryah | & you did apt-get update after putting in in sources? |
| 17:50.24 | Bryan92 | avu: still does the same |
| 17:50.30 | Bryan92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.31 | Bryan92 | right? |
| 17:50.40 | abruptus | aryah: well I have got several sources in there, including the general "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free" and "deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main" |
| 17:50.54 | avu | Bryan92, that at least terminates the for loop, yes |
| 17:50.56 | abrotman | Bryan92: try it |
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| 17:51.04 | abruptus | aryah: do they probably interfere with each other? |
| 17:51.42 | aryah | the two you mentioned do not, one is binary, other sources, and besides, when they do, the newest version wins. |
| 17:51.47 | hallowname | abruptus: then you dont need the 'vlc/unstable' flag... you just need to 'sudo apt-get -b source vlc' i think... unless you have mixed up sources.list or have used apt pinning... |
| 17:52.03 | Bryan92 | avu: but gives same result |
| 17:52.03 | abruptus | aryah: because it always downloads from the first source |
| 17:52.03 | Bryan92 | only > on next line |
| 17:52.05 | aryah | but gives him the wrong version |
| 17:52.18 | abruptus | yes it always downloads lenny releases |
| 17:52.49 | avu | Bryan92, no it doesn't. you're doing something else |
| 17:52.51 | hallowname | abruptus: deb-src is confused. pastebin sources.list please. |
| 17:52.58 | abruptus | yes wait |
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| 17:53.11 | Bryan92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.15 | Bryan92 | avu: like that |
| 17:53.37 | abruptus | http://rafb.net/p/FTCmdQ55.html |
| 17:53.42 | avu | Bryan92, at least in the bash version in lenny, that works just fine |
| 17:53.55 | vi390 | hej, on an older Debian system, can I just. Update the sources.list and do a apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 17:54.08 | abrotman | !tell vi390 about etch->lenny |
| 17:54.09 | avu | !tell vi390 about etch->lenny |
| 17:54.12 | avu | oops :) |
| 17:54.12 | Bryan92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.15 | Bryan92 | avu: that worked! |
| 17:54.16 | avu | abrotman, you win :( |
| 17:54.18 | Bryan92 | thanks for checking |
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| 17:54.31 | abrotman | but no sort now .. |
| 17:54.33 | Bryan92 | oh wait i still |
| 17:54.35 | Bryan92 | yea |
| 17:54.43 | avu | the other one works too in bash |
| 17:54.48 | aryah | hm, no idea |
| 17:54.49 | avu | what shell are you using? |
| 17:54.51 | hallowname | abruptus: the deb-src line with 'debian-multimedia lenny' is throwing it off... remove that temporarily. |
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| 17:56.04 | hallowname | abruptus: debian-multimedia hosts vlc packages too doesn't it? stable wins by default on lenny i think... try removing that line |
| 17:56.22 | abruptus | hallowname: I don't know could be |
| 17:56.38 | aryah | but is there a new vlc in that videolan repository at all? http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian/sources/ i cant notice it glancing this list |
| 17:56.42 | abruptus | hallowname: but I just tested it and it still downloads from debian.org |
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| 17:57.11 | jandruss_ | Hello everybody. I am trying to set up Debian Lenny in VBox under MacOSX but I can't manage to configure my 1440x900 resolution for the console mode. My resolution doesn't appear in the preconfigured grub ones, so following some forum I add my resolution typing "VBoxManage setextradata "Debian GNU Linux" "CustomeVideoMode1" "1440x900x24"", but when booting and adding the vga=864 to the grub line it won't be recognized. Can anyone give me a |
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| 17:57.43 | Bryan92 | avu: any solution you might know? |
| 17:57.51 | avu | Bryan92, ... |
| 17:57.59 | hallowname | abruptus: why dont you roll over all of your -src repos to sid, that way you get the latest code regardless if your compiling, and the latest stable binaries still... mismatching distros deb-src isn't good i dont think |
| 17:58.04 | avu | Bryan92, I'll say it for the nth time: the solution with | sort > new works. |
| 17:58.16 | avu | Bryan92, at least in the versions of bash and zsh in lenny |
| 17:58.26 | avu | Bryan92, I'll also repeat the question: what shell are you usin? |
| 17:58.29 | hallowname | jandruss_: installed the 'guest additions' package for vbox? |
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| 17:59.08 | abruptus | hallowname: oh okay that seems to be a nice solution |
| 17:59.09 | hallowname | abruptus: that way it cant pull source from lenny :) but will only pull binaries from lenny |
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| 18:00.55 | Superbartt | hmmfg, also with an other user i get the error after logging in to gnome... get slammed back to a xterm |
| 18:02.00 | abruptus | hallowname: so ... the update downloaded some stuff but "apt-get -b source vlc" now gets me the following error: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_sid_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 18:02.24 | abruptus | oh wait |
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| 18:02.40 | hallowname | abruptus: :P fix the sources.list then, lol |
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| 18:03.26 | abruptus | hallowname: yea :P now it is downloading the newest sources! yay, thanks for the help |
| 18:04.03 | abruptus | aryah: thanks to you too |
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| 18:04.44 | Kuifje111 | I've got a very weird problem. I just installed a new HDD, now it makes a very weird noise constantly which my pc only made sporadically before i installed that HDD. If i disconnect that HDD, the sound is gone. I am not sure whether my PSU or CPU is making it, any ideas? |
| 18:04.54 | Kuifje111 | my PSU is 350WATT |
| 18:04.59 | TheBlunderbuss | What does it sound like? |
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| 18:05.00 | Kuifje111 | have got a 3GHz CPU |
| 18:05.05 | Kuifje111 | hard to describe |
| 18:05.13 | Kuifje111 | it's like PPPPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
| 18:05.18 | TheBlunderbuss | !floppy |
| 18:05.18 | dpkg | from memory, etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
| 18:05.44 | jandruss_ | hallowname: It might seem a bit stupid question but... how can i manage to put the .iso file of the additions inside the VM? |
| 18:05.46 | Kuifje111 | it's a bit like when you sis with your mouth |
| 18:06.13 | nima0102 | how can I know that debian what patch to official kernel ??? |
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| 18:07.12 | jintxo | I am looking into running a squid transparent proxy on the same box that hosts a few LAMP pages (apache2). The box already runs squid on port 8080 for caching and I want to start "forcing" it onto users. Would you recommend going the "iptables forward port 80 to squid" approach? Or would it be wiser to run Squid on port 80, 21 and 443 and just have it proxy the apache pages hosted on the same machine or something similar? or does t |
| 18:07.12 | jintxo | his second approach that I have thought of sound kind of stupid? thanks! |
| 18:08.15 | aryah | abruptus: np, Im compiling vlc right now as well :) |
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| 18:19.33 | aryah | hm but it ended with an error, /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL |
| 18:19.33 | aryah | so this says some dependency was not satisfied with build-dep after all or? |
| 18:19.36 | nima0102 | how can I know that debian what patch to official kernel ??? |
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| 18:20.25 | aryah | in libglx_plugin.la ? |
| 18:20.27 | hallowname | aryah: yup, build-dep fail... well... package fail really... find the gl lib whereever it might be hiding. |
| 18:20.35 | aryah | k |
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| 18:24.51 | aryah | hallowname, any point in trying to phrase this occurance into a bugreport? |
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| 18:28.39 | hallowname | aryah: i have no idea, im new to debian :) |
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| 18:29.43 | spacepluk | hi, I've just installed lenny and I'd like to switch to testing, is this sources.list ok? http://paste.debian.net/30584/ |
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| 18:30.53 | hallowname | spacepluk: looks good to me, except... why are you installing lenny's backports onto a testing system? you'll mismatch libraries that way surely... |
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| 18:32.29 | spacepluk | hallowname: I forgot to delete that lines in the paste :P. I have it commented just in case I want to switch back to stable. |
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| 18:33.57 | hallowname | spacepluk: the sources.list looks fine other than that :) |
| 18:34.04 | spacepluk | thanks :) |
| 18:34.07 | HaC|away_ | hallowname: reportbug might help you filling bugreports |
| 18:34.53 | hallowname | HaC|away_: umm? i dont need to file any, thx :) c++ programmer... ill fix it myself :D |
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| 18:35.36 | HaC|away_ | ahh k |
| 18:36.29 | aryah | HaC|away_ : I think you meant to adress that to me, thx, I'll check it out |
| 18:36.35 | jpinx | spacepluk: if you are even considering going back to lenny, be aware that reversion is non-trivial |
| 18:37.23 | davi | Is there a php gnupg package? |
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| 18:37.45 | HaC|away_ | ahh.. |
| 18:37.46 | HaC|away_ | i'm sorry |
| 18:38.05 | HaC|away_ | thats possible aryah & hallowname sry |
| 18:38.17 | HaC|away_ | ahhhh now i see.. |
| 18:38.22 | HaC|away_ | i totally got this wrong :) |
| 18:38.39 | aryah | :) |
| 18:38.58 | varney | hi! i've almost got Debian 4r7 running on my Dell E521 but I have two minor problems. I have updated the bios so it looks like the freeze problem is over, but only because i'm using the i386 version - the amd64 version still freezes the mouse/kb after several minutes. |
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| 18:39.46 | varney | first problem is i can't for the life of me get nvidia graphics drivers installed - i've tried both the nvidia way and the debian way, both failed. now aptitude is telling me i have 'bad luck' regarding kernel headers |
| 18:40.09 | varney | and the nvidia way tells me the gcc compilers don't match - but doing aptitude install gcc-4.1 doesn't work |
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| 18:40.51 | nareshov | varney |
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| 18:41.01 | varney | second problem is the harddrive 'led' at the front of the pc seems to be half-on all the time, i've used top to check why and all i see is xorg service running at 6.3% cpu |
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| 18:41.13 | nareshov | i just installed nvidia kernel the debian way on lenny |
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| 18:41.17 | nareshov | and it worked fine |
| 18:41.21 | nareshov | here are the steps: |
| 18:41.35 | varney | nareshov i'm using etch because i can't get lenny to install |
| 18:41.55 | HaC|away_ | yeah i used the lenny way too |
| 18:42.00 | HaC|away_ | and nvidia driver works |
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| 18:42.09 | HaC|away_ | worksforme :P |
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| 18:42.31 | varney | well i tried the 'debian way' and it told me 'bad luck: the kernel headers don't match' or something along those lines |
| 18:42.48 | varney | it's too complicated to remember :P |
| 18:42.56 | HaC|away_ | hmm... |
| 18:43.05 | HaC|away_ | did you install the matching kernel headers ? |
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| 18:43.11 | nareshov | varney: i can guide you through quickly if you want |
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| 18:43.24 | varney | i don't know - i just followed the debian way method on the debian main site |
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| 18:43.42 | HaC|away_ | hehe... |
| 18:43.45 | varney | nareshov: i'd appreciate it, but i'm in windows atm |
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| 18:44.29 | varney | HaC|away_: but yes, your 'matching kernel headers' sounds like the problem i had, although i don't know why. |
| 18:44.29 | HaC|away_ | i just did something like aptitude install nvidia-glx or something like that ^^ |
| 18:44.32 | HaC|away_ | and it worked |
| 18:44.32 | aryah | ha! I think I see a potential sollution! |
| 18:44.45 | giusef | Hi all. I am trying to install Debian testing on VirtualBox but it does not recognize the hard drive. Does anyone know why? Thank you. |
| 18:45.00 | varney | HaC|away_: wth? it never used to be that simple - but remember, i'm using etch, not lenny |
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| 18:45.08 | HaC|away_ | ahhhh |
| 18:45.10 | HaC|away_ | k |
| 18:45.28 | HaC|away_ | than you need to compile drivers on your own :) |
| 18:45.51 | nareshov | just make sure contrib and non-free are listed in your sources.list and type "m-a a-i nvidia" |
| 18:45.53 | HaC|away_ | but i just got the "different gcc library" thing just in lenny trying to compile drivers on my own |
| 18:45.54 | varney | i'm gonna reboot into debian now, and i'll collect as much stuff as i can, and maybe try connecting to irc from within if i can |
| 18:46.05 | jandruss | hallowname: I managed to install the guest additions already, but I'm not seeing any change in the vga modes available on grub. Can you give me a hand with this please? thanks |
| 18:46.08 | huseyin1 | hi, i cant mount (rw) ntfs usb hdd |
| 18:46.13 | nareshov | (module-assistant has to be installed) |
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| 18:46.43 | aryah | will have to wait if this is the problem, but it seems that ld is too stupid to recognise libGL.so.1 as -lGL, so he needs a symlink libGL.so |
| 18:46.46 | nareshov | huseyin1: does "id your_username" show "plugdev" ? |
| 18:46.47 | HaC|away_ | varney: just use telnet :P |
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| 18:47.05 | huseyin1 | root |
| 18:47.07 | hallowname | jandruss: why does the vga mode matter? after the debian virtual machine has the vbox video drivers, it can scale freely. your just trying to obtain a certain resolution right? |
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| 18:47.24 | nareshov | huseyin1: try "gpasswd -a your_usernamge plugdev" |
| 18:47.31 | varney | ok nareshov, i'll be back if i get anywhere. |
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| 18:47.58 | spacepluk | jpinx: thanks for the advice, I'm almost decided to stay in testing unless I find some problem that's over my head |
| 18:48.05 | HaC|away_ | huseyin1: which fs-driver did you use? |
| 18:48.10 | huseyin1 | rootersoy:/# mkdir /mnt/aaa |
| 18:48.11 | huseyin1 | mkdir: `/mnt/aaa' dizini oluÅturulamıyor: Ä°Åleme izin verilmedi |
| 18:48.23 | huseyin1 | access denied |
| 18:48.24 | HaC|away_ | did you use ntfs-3g ? |
| 18:48.28 | HaC|away_ | or just ntfs ? |
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| 18:48.42 | jandruss | hallowname: I'm trying to obtain a 1440x900 resolution for the console, I'm not running X |
| 18:48.44 | huseyin1 | ersoy:/# mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ |
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| 18:48.50 | jpinx | spacepluk: good luck :) |
| 18:48.52 | HaC|away_ | cause you cannot write into ntfs filesystems without using the ntfs-3g driver |
| 18:49.01 | HaC|away_ | huseyin1: try mount -t ntfs-3g |
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| 18:49.56 | huseyin1 | ntfs-3g not my systems |
| 18:50.04 | HaC|away_ | aptitude install ntfs-3g |
| 18:50.06 | huseyin1 | how can i setup |
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| 18:50.32 | HaC|away_ | its just that easy :P |
| 18:51.14 | huseyin1 | ok |
| 18:51.20 | huseyin1 | thanks |
| 18:51.44 | huseyin1 | i can mount rw |
| 18:51.48 | huseyin1 | thanks |
| 18:52.12 | HaC|away_ | you're welcome |
| 18:53.16 | hallowname | jandruss: and after booting going to fullscreen mode doesn't resize the console? it does here... |
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| 18:53.53 | Bryan92 | anybody can tell me how i can remove every line of a file that contains =99990 ? |
| 18:54.18 | huseyin1 | can i access change hdd (ntfs-->ext2) ? |
| 18:54.31 | HaC|away_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:54.40 | HaC|away_ | naaa |
| 18:54.54 | aryah | ef, sadly ive punched build in the same terminal as the orig error msg, dont suppose theres some terminal history I could dig it out from now? |
| 18:54.56 | HaC|away_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.04 | Bryan92 | HaC|away_ |
| 18:55.06 | Bryan92 | i dont get |
| 18:55.11 | Bryan92 | what if the file is called file2 |
| 18:55.12 | HaC|away_ | ah i'm not very good in regular expressions ;) |
| 18:55.26 | HaC|away_ | you can open it with vim |
| 18:55.29 | jerng | less old | grep -v 99990 > new |
| 18:55.37 | HaC|away_ | hm ? |
| 18:55.40 | HaC|away_ | remove every line |
| 18:55.41 | HaC|away_ | not grep for |
| 18:55.49 | HaC|away_ | so you can just open the file with vim |
| 18:55.50 | aryah | he grept for all that are not |
| 18:55.53 | HaC|away_ | soing some regular expressoin |
| 18:55.59 | aryah | and put that into a new one |
| 18:56.02 | HaC|away_ | aaaahhh....thats also possible ^^ |
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| 18:56.06 | hallowname | Bryan92: use jerng's command |
| 18:56.08 | jerng | ;) |
| 18:56.16 | Bryan92 | less? |
| 18:56.18 | babilen | Bryan92: he is assuming you are using vim to edit the file. another approach would be to "grep -v -e "=99990" file > file_filtered |
| 18:56.19 | Bryan92 | why less? |
| 18:56.19 | HaC|away_ | i'm sorry |
| 18:56.20 | Bryan92 | and not cat |
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| 18:56.36 | Bryan92 | babilen: ok |
| 18:56.42 | Bryan92 | and how to have more values? |
| 18:56.44 | Bryan92 | liek i want to delete |
| 18:56.49 | Bryan92 | =99990 and =28280 |
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| 18:56.58 | jandruss | hallowname: no, it doesn't. The system is booted in a central small portion of the screen. Do I have to enable any special feature in order to achieve that? I went through the preferences menu but I didn't see anything. thanks |
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| 18:57.32 | HaC|away_ | ahh it could besomething like |
| 18:57.37 | Bryan92 | any idea babilen |
| 18:57.38 | Bryan92 | ? |
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| 18:57.48 | hallowname | jandruss: odd. i didnt do anything fancy. sorry i cant be of any more help... =/ |
| 18:57.49 | HaC|away_ | :%s/.*99990.*\n//g :) |
| 18:57.52 | HaC|away_ | i just tried it |
| 18:58.03 | Bryan92 | i like it with grep if possible |
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| 18:58.16 | HaC|away_ | Bryan92: for sure..you can do additional greps :) |
| 18:58.19 | jandruss | hallowname: thank you though :) |
| 18:58.27 | HaC|away_ | i don't know if grep takes several -v arguments |
| 18:58.31 | Jabal_al_Lawz | Jabal al Lawz |
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| 18:58.37 | HaC|away_ | but grep -v 'arg1' | grep -v 'arg2' should work either |
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| 18:59.03 | Bryan92 | so what if I have arg1 arg9 arg10 |
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| 18:59.04 | Bryan92 | or more |
| 18:59.26 | babilen | Bryan92: egrep -v -e "val1|val2|...|valn" file > file_filtered |
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| 18:59.42 | Bryan92 | egrep? |
| 18:59.44 | Bryan92 | is that better than grep? |
| 18:59.46 | babilen | Bryan92: or just pipe one grep into the next |
| 19:00.10 | aryah | kind of yes :) |
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| 19:00.19 | babilen | Bryan92: it allows extended regular expressions |
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| 19:00.51 | babilen | Bryan92: but i would not say that it is better. it just occupies a slightly different niche than grep ;-) |
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| 19:02.19 | avu | it's the same tool in fact. egrep just calls grep -E |
| 19:02.34 | Bryan92 | ok |
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| 19:03.12 | HaC|away | did you see things i wrote ? |
| 19:03.24 | avu | (also, direct invocation of egrep is deprecated) |
| 19:03.49 | babilen | avu: oh, is it? how come? |
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| 19:04.11 | HaC|away | so he got his answer ok :) |
| 19:04.24 | avu | babilen, because it's the same tool nowadays, the names like egrep and fgrep are just for 'historical applications' |
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| 19:04.44 | avu | babilen, see grep(1) |
| 19:04.52 | babilen | avu: hmm, guess i have to commit grep -E to my finger memory then ;-) |
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| 19:05.28 | avu | babilen, well, the thing with UNIX is that legacy stuff like that tends to stay around forever, so there's probably no real harm in still calling egrep :) |
| 19:05.42 | Bryan92 | babilen: |
| 19:06.00 | Bryan92 | grep -v -e "=9999|=99991|=99998" file > filtered |
| 19:06.01 | Bryan92 | doesn't work |
| 19:06.06 | HaC|away | just do |
| 19:06.15 | HaC|away | grep -Ev '=9999|=99991|=99998' |
| 19:06.17 | avu | Bryan92, egrep is the same as grep -E, not the same as grep -e |
| 19:06.43 | babilen | Bryan92: you are using grep without "-E" so the "|" needs to be escaped -> "val1\|val2\|...." |
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| 19:07.05 | HaC|away | does that work either ? |
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| 19:07.42 | HaC|away | nah.. |
| 19:08.04 | babilen | Bryan92: or just grep -Eve "val1|val2|..." |
| 19:08.18 | babilen | Bryan92: i like "Eve" ;-) |
| 19:08.40 | avu | the -e is unecessary in this case though :( |
| 19:09.35 | babilen | avu: the "-e" contributes to the visual appeal of the command |
| 19:09.44 | avu | touche :) |
| 19:09.52 | kang_ | exit |
| 19:10.26 | jerng | sure (Y|n)? |
| 19:10.28 | aryah | eh? looks it crashed in the last possible moment, make: *** [build-stamp] Error 1 |
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| 19:11.28 | abrotman | avu: i can't believe you're still doing that |
| 19:11.48 | avu | abrotman, doing what? |
| 19:12.09 | avu | abrotman, using french words without the proper accents? :) |
| 19:12.19 | aryah | it compiled all as far as I can see without any problems, then complained only about having root privileges, and then this noninformative erroer and exited |
| 19:12.37 | abrotman | avu: si |
| 19:12.43 | aryah | abrotman, how did your vlc compilation go? |
| 19:12.50 | abrotman | aryah: wrong person |
| 19:13.01 | aryah | ah, sry similar nick |
| 19:13.35 | aryah | abruptus :) |
| 19:14.38 | abruptus | aryah: oh I'm still installing dependancy packages |
| 19:14.50 | abruptus | well and compiling |
| 19:14.57 | abruptus | that's what takes so long |
| 19:15.03 | aryah | yup |
| 19:15.19 | aryah | is apt-get -b source to be run w/o sudo? |
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| 19:16.28 | abruptus | I don't know, since you're just downloading the source, I don't think its relevant, but I did run it with sudo |
| 19:16.57 | abrotman | aryah: you can run it as a regular user |
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| 19:18.06 | aryah | it ended with 'checking installed plugins' something for which it called the vlc program. vlc refused to run as root, saying one is not supposed to run vlc as root something like that, and then that one errormsg and fail, even though it compiled |
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| 19:19.08 | Jemt | How do I search the content of a hundred text files for a specific string (let's say "Hello")? The text files are stored in folders, so it should be a recursive search |
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| 19:19.27 | Superbartt | grep hello -Rn |
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| 19:19.31 | Superbartt | * |
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| 19:20.41 | Jemt | Superbartt: Thanks :) |
| 19:21.50 | TheBlunderbuss | I have a laptop with no hard drive and no USB-boot support in the BIOS, yet I would like to boot from USB. I have read that you can run a minimal linux off of floppies, which will then load USB drivers and boot to USB. What do I need to do? |
| 19:22.53 | aryah | im not sure it makes sense to make it so that it refuses to cooperate if built as superuser, even though its not necessary for the build |
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| 19:23.38 | abrotman | TheBlunderbuss: no CD either ? |
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| 19:24.29 | icebrain | TheBlunderbuss: maybe creating a grub floppy? http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Creating-a-GRUB-boot-floppy.html |
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| 19:25.59 | Extend | i have a problem , i installed debian splash package , anyone when the pc boots now it boot but it give me a blank screen i tried to switch to a terminal tab but it won't work |
| 19:26.45 | TheBlunderbuss | abrotman: I think I have some LiveCDs somewhere, but I'm not sure if they allow a different root/kernel |
| 19:26.59 | abrotman | TheBlunderbuss: use the one that is already on them ? |
| 19:27.12 | TheBlunderbuss | I don't want to use those distros. They're not debian :D |
| 19:28.00 | TheBlunderbuss | GRUB won't detect the usb drives because they aren't on a USB root device - they're hub. |
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| 19:35.11 | tiberius_ | what package provides grub stages ? |
| 19:35.46 | tiberius_ | apt-get install grub does not install any stage files |
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| 19:38.01 | hallowname | how can i see what exactly is wrong with my konqueror install? its a fresh lenny install too... konqueror never loads/spawns a process/gives an error/gives debug output... tips? i miss konqueror =[ |
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| 19:38.50 | zeev | Hi, I try to use an encrypted partition with cryptsetup (here are my fstab and crypttab entries: http://paste.debian.net/30588/ ). Everything works fine, just once I cryptdisk_start csda8 - I get a popup message in Gnome, that I don't have permission to mount the volume (root can do it) - how can I use this partition as normal user? thank you! |
| 19:38.54 | abrotman | strace it from a terminal ? |
| 19:39.23 | hallowname | abrotman: i have, it leaves me hanging forever on a 'read()' instruction... no help... |
| 19:39.34 | abrotman | so look a few lines above that |
| 19:40.12 | TheBlunderbuss | !modules |
| 19:40.12 | abrotman | hallowname: you might want to try creating a new user and see if the problem remains |
| 19:40.12 | dpkg | well, modules is a driver for a device (a part of a kernel) which can be dynamically loaded/unloaded.;; the Kernel's Secret Blend of Herbs and Spices, or to compile a module that doesn't come in the kernel, look into module-assistant |
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| 19:41.06 | hallowname | abrotman: good idea, although konqueror has never ran on this install.. so i dont see how my user could have caused it... |
| 19:41.17 | abrotman | you never know |
| 19:41.23 | TheBlunderbuss | tiberius_: Anything in /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/stage2 ? |
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| 19:42.41 | hallowname | abrotman: i think i found the culprit in the strace... or a hint: stat64("/usr/share/debian-edu/common/share/config/kuriikwsfilterrc", 0xbfffab0c) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 19:43.04 | tiberius_ | TheBlunderbuss, yeah just found it, thx :-) |
| 19:43.08 | hallowname | abrotman: why would that be needed by konqueror? or why would it be missing? |
| 19:43.36 | abrotman | hallowname: i don't use KDE .. |
| 19:44.21 | hallowname | abrotman: ah, thx for the tips anyway tho :) |
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| 19:45.49 | valdyn | zeev: use or mount as normal user? |
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| 19:46.25 | valdyn | zeev: built in disk or usb storage? |
| 19:46.48 | zeev | built in |
| 19:46.49 | zeev | use |
| 19:46.53 | zeev | I can mount it |
| 19:47.33 | zeev | mount point was created by normal user |
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| 19:47.45 | valdyn | zeev: its irrelevant who created the mount point |
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| 19:48.12 | zeev | but after I start cryptdisk_start csda8 it shows root as its owner |
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| 19:48.20 | valdyn | zeev: say you want to make the storage owned by your user, that makes: chmod user.user /path/to/mountpoint |
| 19:48.30 | valdyn | zeev: chmod *after* its mounted |
| 19:48.45 | valdyn | zeev: oh hell, its chown, not chmod |
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| 19:49.00 | zeev | as rppt |
| 19:49.05 | zeev | as root? |
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| 19:49.13 | valdyn | zeev: yes, only root can chown |
| 19:49.49 | zeev | I would like all this happen automatically on boot |
| 19:49.57 | valdyn | zeev: its persistent |
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| 19:50.23 | PrMoriarty | hello i am trying to download nikto with apt-get utils but it can t find it |
| 19:50.45 | PrMoriarty | i am on a lenny, which mirror can i add in my sources.list to get nikto plz? |
| 19:50.45 | zeev | what do you mean? |
| 19:50.48 | lindenle | Hi all, anyone know what the issue for bug #516848 is? My suspend still works if i do it by hand. |
| 19:50.57 | PrMoriarty | apt-cache search nikto = NULL |
| 19:51.08 | valdyn | zeev: ownership of files is persistent across reboots, it doesnt need to happen automatically |
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| 19:51.26 | zeev | a, ok... |
| 19:51.31 | zeev | I'll try |
| 19:51.39 | PrMoriarty | zeev, thank you |
| 19:52.20 | PrMoriarty | i have deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ lenny main and deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main that s all |
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| 19:52.56 | valdyn | PrMoriarty: read the log file |
| 19:53.03 | valdyn | PrMoriarty: sorry |
| 19:53.07 | valdyn | lindenle: read the log file |
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| 19:53.37 | valdyn | lindenle: /var/log/pm-suspend.log |
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| 19:53.41 | PrMoriarty | humm i will add the contrib and non-free mirror i will see |
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| 19:53.59 | zeev | valdyn: but before I run cryptdisk_start csda8 user is displayed to be the owner ?? |
| 19:54.00 | valdyn | judd: versions nikto |
| 19:54.00 | judd | valdyn: nikto -- etch: 1.35-1.1 lenny/non-free: 2.02-1 sid/non-free: 2.03-1 squeeze/non-free: 2.03-1 |
| 19:55.08 | valdyn | zeev: the mountpoint permissions are different before and after mounting. Before its the directory that you created, after its the root directory of the mounted filesystem |
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| 19:58.53 | PrMoriarty | it works when i add contrib and non-free backport |
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| 19:59.50 | gustavojordan | I can be mentor and participant at the same time, but so that in different projects? |
| 20:00.06 | valdyn | !confuse gustavojordan |
| 20:00.06 | dpkg | No, who are our mushroom tomorrow, gustavojordan? trousers of the democracy of swaziland with extra crabpaste |
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| 20:00.42 | gustavojordan | I asked the question in the canal wrong =D |
| 20:01.00 | gustavojordan | so sorry ;) |
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| 20:03.08 | aryah | lololo |
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| 20:04.32 | aryah | does dpkg just repeat that msg or generate it somehow? |
| 20:04.36 | aryah | !confuse aryah |
| 20:04.36 | dpkg | No, how is your weasel tomorrow, aryah? wellies of the people's republic of swaziland with extra anchovies |
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| 20:04.41 | aryah | ah, nice |
| 20:04.46 | gustavojordan | was only a quick question , forgive pester |
| 20:05.33 | aryah | gustavojordan, try rephrasing it I dont believe ppl understood the question |
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| 20:06.21 | valdyn | !listkey confuse |
| 20:06.23 | valdyn | !listkeys confuse |
| 20:06.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'confuse' by key (7): CMD: confuse (.*?) ;; confused ;; is confused ;; _default confused ;; #debian is confused ;; _default is confused ;; _default brakes confuse dpkg. |
| 20:06.36 | gustavojordan | I am mad excuse is something of Brazilian confused...rsrs =) |
| 20:06.37 | valdyn | literal CMD: confuse (.*?) |
| 20:06.38 | valdyn | !literal CMD: confuse (.*?) |
| 20:06.38 | dpkg | "cmd: confuse (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> (Yes,|No,) (those|what|them|where|who|how) (are|is|was) (your|their|our|my) (pants|weasel|ferret|hamster|pineapple|gouda|gerbil|badger|mushroom|snake|bacon) (today|tomorrow|yesterday), $1? (pants|shirts|trousers|breeches|lederhosen|wellies) of the (monarchy|people's republic|dictatorship|republic|democracy) of (liechtenstein|tahiti|swaziland|belarus|mongolia|tibet|micronesia) with extra ... |
| 20:06.42 | valdyn | aryah: ^^ |
| 20:06.55 | aryah | :) not bad |
| 20:07.07 | gustavojordan | gustavojordan@maq : man mad |
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| 20:07.34 | zeev | valdyn: thank you very much - it looks like it helped! |
| 20:07.57 | gustavojordan | invite you to a project www.debianzine.org |
| 20:08.27 | aryah | gustavjordan, plz dont be insulted, im just fascinated by the dpkg bot it has little to do with your orig q. |
| 20:08.38 | gustavojordan | All aid is welcome! |
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| 20:09.44 | gustavojordan | dpkg é um bot? |
| 20:09.45 | dpkg | gustavojordan: bugger all, i dunno |
| 20:09.51 | gustavojordan | dpkg is a bot? |
| 20:09.52 | dpkg | gustavojordan: no idea |
| 20:10.02 | valdyn | !what are you |
| 20:10.03 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 20:10.32 | gustavojordan | <infobot> |
| 20:10.43 | valdyn | !what are you =~ s/a infobot/an infobot/ |
| 20:10.44 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 20:10.50 | valdyn | !what are you |
| 20:10.50 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 20:10.59 | Superbartt | !infobot |
| 20:10.59 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more. NOTE: Blootbot (fork of infobot) has now replace infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old. |
| 20:11.01 | gustavojordan | is very good |
| 20:11.13 | abrotman | gustavojordan: please don't spam here |
| 20:11.28 | gustavojordan | !how old are you |
| 20:11.28 | dpkg | 900 ... like Yoda ... |
| 20:11.35 | abrotman | gustavojordan: leave the bot alone |
| 20:12.10 | gustavojordan | sorry abrotman |
| 20:12.37 | earthian | Hello, i am having a weird problem with inkscape window.. it refuses to really maximize. I get same size of the window when maximized and unmaximized.. The only change is in decorations. Screenshots: http://www.fostral.net/tmp/ink_max.png and http://www.fostral.net/tmp/ink_unmax.png |
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| 20:12.48 | earthian | Any idea what is causing this? |
| 20:12.50 | peppe | earthian: known issue |
| 20:12.59 | abrotman | earthian: that happens to me sometimes .. next time you restart X, it will behave |
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| 20:13.56 | earthian | abrotman, peppe thanks! |
| 20:14.06 | earthian | restarting X right away. |
| 20:14.09 | earthian | :) |
| 20:14.31 | Macjust- | hello, I want set a grub in my computer my device is sda, but in the config file of grub i must set hd0 or sd0 ? |
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| 20:18.27 | Selveste1 | I think it ishd0 other wise run "grub-install" |
| 20:18.29 | BornToBePuli | (hd0) |
| 20:18.44 | Selveste1 | *is hd0 |
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| 20:19.34 | Macjust- | thanks |
| 20:19.37 | BornToBePuli | or (hd0,0) |
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| 20:20.47 | Macjust- | kernel /boot/kernel root=/dev/sda1 this is correctly ? |
| 20:21.46 | Kuifje111 | yes |
| 20:22.11 | Kuifje111 | well |
| 20:22.13 | Kuifje111 | depends |
| 20:22.33 | Kuifje111 | it's hd(0,0) |
| 20:22.41 | Kuifje111 | not (hd0,0) |
| 20:22.47 | Kuifje111 | if i remember correctly |
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| 20:25.10 | orveldv | I know this question has been asked a hundred times, but I'm trying to configure X, I was used to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but now in lenny it doesn't ask me anything about resolution or mouse |
| 20:25.12 | orveldv | dpkg (the bot) tells me that xrandr or KDE should take care of it in lenny, but they both say the max. resolution is 800x600 ; any ideas ? |
| 20:25.13 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, orveldv |
| 20:25.32 | orveldv | :P |
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| 20:26.33 | aryah | orveldv, yeah, now xorg is supposed to automamagically know all of the old configurations right, so reconfiguring it doesnt help anymore. you can edit it manually though |
| 20:27.31 | aryah | whats the correct syntax in /etc/apt/preferences for a local repository, file:/root/dev is the location? |
| 20:27.49 | aryah | *file:/root/debs is the location? |
| 20:28.03 | orveldv | I think it would be a good idea for "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to still work though, but what do I know |
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| 20:28.22 | aryah | having struggled with the same nonsense, i completely agree orveldv |
| 20:28.40 | amphi | orveldv: /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be of interest |
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| 20:29.29 | aryah | and i think nvidia-settings crashes for that default file because no 'Module' section exists, and its not expecting that to happen.. |
| 20:30.01 | orveldv | aryah, amphi : thanks for the help anyway... |
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| 20:32.15 | aryah | so, if I want to pin by origin, usually it would be Pin: origin "www.debian-multimedia.org" or whatever. But what is the 'origin' adress of a local directory? |
| 20:32.19 | Ace2017_- | also wants dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to work |
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| 20:32.41 | orveldv | oh this is so interesting, a few years ago I came here asking where did xorgconfig go, and they said "no no, usedpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ; and guess what... |
| 20:33.16 | orveldv | now I'm coming here with almost the same problem |
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| 20:34.33 | Ace2017_- | orveldv: i don't think you need one |
| 20:34.37 | allaun | you can connect a 2.5 inch drive inch drive with a normal sata connector right |
| 20:34.45 | aryah | I filled out the "Screen" scection by some examples, and a subsection "Display" with depth 24 and desired resolution mode. |
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| 20:34.54 | Ace2017_- | orveldv: X -configure to get an xorg.conf, change the driver and copy it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:35.19 | Ace2017_- | allaun: yes |
| 20:35.21 | orveldv | Ace2017_-: ok thanks |
| 20:35.32 | allaun | says phew |
| 20:35.44 | allaun | i'm having problems reading my ps3 drive in my computer |
| 20:35.51 | allaun | i was worried i burnt it |
| 20:35.52 | allaun | :p |
| 20:35.52 | aryah | i havent tried it, but perhaps nvidia-settings generates all you need, only you supposedly need to put a blank Section "Module" and on next line EndSection to work, I havent tried this |
| 20:36.18 | valdyn | you only need modelines or a device section |
| 20:36.24 | valdyn | or a monitor section |
| 20:36.30 | valdyn | depending on where the culprit lies |
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| 20:37.43 | spacepluk | I'm definitively debianzed :P this feels much better than ubuntu :) |
| 20:37.43 | Ace2017_- | you don't need a modeline at all |
| 20:37.43 | orveldv | excuse me but we are in... 2009 |
| 20:37.43 | Ace2017_- | usually xorg generates a list when xorg starts and puts it in the log |
| 20:37.43 | valdyn | Ace2017_-: how would you know that? |
| 20:37.45 | valdyn | Ace2017_-: the data gathered from gfx cards for available modes is typically incomplete |
| 20:37.48 | Ace2017_- | valdyn: i don't have a modeline in my xorg.conf |
| 20:38.00 | valdyn | Ace2017_-: youre also not having issues |
| 20:38.05 | gravity | The vast majority of users don't need an xorg.conf at all, let alone a modeline |
| 20:38.14 | valdyn | right |
| 20:38.47 | gravity | And the reason dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg was removed is because it was doing more harm than good for most users |
| 20:38.56 | orveldv | my old hardware can go up to a pretty high resolution, but I only get 800x600 :-( |
| 20:39.03 | gravity | The X server does a far better job of figuring out the config than the script ever did |
| 20:39.15 | valdyn | orveldv: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a paste site |
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| 20:39.46 | foetus | question, how can i create an lzma archive through tar (tar.lzma) ? |
| 20:40.05 | streuner | gravity: i dont know, but i liked the old solution much better |
| 20:40.21 | hallowname | foetus: mksquashfs? |
| 20:40.22 | valdyn | foetus: install an lzma compressing tool |
| 20:40.32 | valdyn | foetus: like lzma |
| 20:40.38 | gravity | shrugs |
| 20:40.44 | valdyn | foetus: then just compress the previously created uncompressed tar archive |
| 20:40.57 | gravity | streuner: Some people like it, some don't. |
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| 20:41.25 | streuner | gravity: seems that are those who using CRT (dont) |
| 20:41.41 | gravity | streuner: As opposed to LCD? |
| 20:41.46 | abrotman | streuner: works fine for me with a crt |
| 20:41.47 | streuner | yes |
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| 20:42.01 | aryah | users should have control, levels shouldnt be - an idiot-proof plug-n-play OR a textual configuration file with obscure magic syntax.. |
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| 20:42.06 | streuner | abrotman: i know, i know :-) - using xrantr |
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| 20:42.14 | valdyn | chances that the old display has no proper edid support is just higher, i guess |
| 20:42.18 | abrotman | no .. it got it the first time |
| 20:42.39 | orveldv | valdyn: my /var/log/Xorg.0.log : http://rafb.net/p/Fz84G634.html |
| 20:42.45 | gravity | streuner: Any monitor that reports the correct values and any card with reasonable driver support will get it right the first time |
| 20:43.03 | gravity | less quirks, but even those are pretty stable these days |
| 20:43.05 | aryah | didnt work for me with an LCD probably b-c i have an embedded videocard ... |
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| 20:43.16 | gravity | aryah: It works great with most embedded cards |
| 20:43.22 | gravity | aryah: What's the driver? |
| 20:43.24 | aryah | hm, then I dont get it |
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| 20:43.59 | nolus | when I just joined this channel, and YoksuL sent me a porn advertising message |
| 20:44.11 | valdyn | orveldv: your monitor is not reporting its specs, so X is using a default, very limited range |
| 20:44.16 | amphi | what a generous fellow |
| 20:44.32 | nolus | seems to be a bot |
| 20:44.48 | manu_hack | can one use iceweasel to login facebook? the only browser that allows me to do so is konquerer ... |
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| 20:45.24 | gravity | nolus: Thanks |
| 20:45.26 | aryah | nvidia binary driver. now works decent. free nv didnt give but 800x600, and x kept crashing.. lost an afternoon before I dumped random nonsense from various sources in xorg.conf enough for it to magically function ... |
| 20:45.30 | nolus | gravity: no, thank you |
| 20:45.36 | orveldv | valdyn: I see, thanks ; is there some file I can tweak, besides xorg.conf, or should I go and edit the xorg.conf manually? |
| 20:45.50 | foetus | valdyn: thanks, it's all compiled. i have lzma. but i thought, it goes over a pipe? |
| 20:45.51 | gravity | aryah: Yeah... that's what I mean by "reasonable driver support" |
| 20:46.08 | gravity | orveldv: Just edit it manually |
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| 20:46.29 | foetus | valdyn: maybe i'm wrong.. |
| 20:46.37 | morsing | Evening |
| 20:46.47 | gravity | Yeah... dumping random crap in to your xorg.conf is a great idea |
| 20:47.04 | orveldv | gravity, valdyn : thanks, and I guess I'll take my rant to #debian-offtopic |
| 20:47.05 | valdyn | orveldv: heres a monitor section that you can insrt into /var/log/xorg.conf, adjust values to your monitor specs: https://valdyn.org/~valdyn/xorg.conf.monitor |
| 20:47.07 | aryah | it was a hyperbole, its not really such a mess now :) |
| 20:47.17 | valdyn | orveldv: /etc/X11/xorg.conf even |
| 20:47.50 | gravity | orveldv: The xorg.conf manpage is very complete. Your driver's manpage also includes useful information |
| 20:48.15 | orveldv | valdyn: thanks a lot |
| 20:48.20 | orveldv | gravity: yeah yeah |
| 20:48.35 | aryah | though I must say Im very confused again as to WHY its STILL working.. I was sure that the problem was in the squeeze default nvidia binary driver ... only I just downgraded back to that and it still functions... maybe the Screen section somethings, who knows... |
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| 20:48.42 | orveldv | gravity: as I said... we are in 2009 |
| 20:49.16 | gravity | Editing xorg.conf should not be a black art. Aside from creating modelines (and even that, with gtf/cvt is fairly easy) it's pretty simple |
| 20:49.27 | valdyn | your monitor certainly is not from 2009 |
| 20:49.29 | gravity | orveldv: Yeah, no kidding. Which is why it works for 99% of users without any config file at all |
| 20:49.39 | gravity | orveldv: Welcome to the future |
| 20:49.53 | valdyn | its old stuff not even support edid ( or whatever that hotplug thing is ) |
| 20:50.16 | nolus | I have this problem: sometimes my wlan (using 2.6.28.7 with the rt73usb driver) just disassociates, and I can't reconnect again... all what helps is a reboot of my machine |
| 20:50.34 | nolus | not even removing and reinserting all wlan related wlan modules helps |
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| 20:50.35 | gravity | edid isn't hotplug, but it's related I guess |
| 20:50.58 | morsing | Hi, I upgraded Debian which upgraded PHP from 4 to 5 and now it can't find mysql_connect. It seems to be there though |
| 20:51.05 | orveldv | gravity: you are right, but you understand that I'm frustrated because "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" was working perfectly for me, and now nothing does |
| 20:51.33 | abrotman | morsing: what makes you think it's there? is php5-mysql installed ? |
| 20:51.56 | morsing | It is |
| 20:51.58 | aryah | orveldv, well, take an afternoon, google well,and reed the manpages, then try remembering better than I did what exactly made it work |
| 20:52.02 | aryah | :-D |
| 20:52.06 | morsing | According to dpkg |
| 20:52.18 | abrotman | morsing: if you look in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini .. is it uncommented ? |
| 20:52.30 | gravity | orveldv: The script didn't do anything particularly fancy. If you need to put in some values manually that you would have typed in to the debconf prompts, just put them in to xorg.conf manually. |
| 20:52.32 | morsing | ii php5-mysql 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 MySQL module for php5 |
| 20:52.55 | gravity | orveldv: If you don't know what those values were then the X server should be detecting them automatically for you. If not, there's probably a good reason for it. |
| 20:53.48 | morsing | abrotman: Oh! there's no apache directory under /etc/php5 |
| 20:53.51 | orveldv | gravity: ok thanks *sigh* |
| 20:54.17 | gravity | orveldv: Patches are always accepted as well |
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| 20:54.50 | morsing | abrotman: Where would that come from and why did it go missing during the upgrade? |
| 20:54.51 | gravity | God, you'd think xorg.conf was actually a bizarre format |
| 20:54.58 | valdyn | it would be nice of X just asked for monitor specs if it cannot get them |
| 20:55.18 | gravity | hrmpf. I'm not sure how we'd do that. |
| 20:55.21 | allaun | i'm not sure if it will help, but theres a program on knoppix that tends to find alot of good information on your monitor |
| 20:55.26 | gravity | Plus... that's kinda assinine. |
| 20:55.37 | abrotman | morsing: is libapache2-mod-php5 installed ? |
| 20:56.03 | orveldv | gravity: don't get gentoo-ish on me |
| 20:56.06 | morsing | abrotman: Nope! |
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| 20:56.16 | valdyn | gravity: X has a mode that just dumps what it detects instead of autostarting? |
| 20:56.16 | gravity | I mean, if you've got a xorg.conf that you've edited up, and the xserver can't find your monitor settings, all of a sudden you have to either let it overwrite your xorg.conf with those settings, or ask you every time |
| 20:56.26 | gravity | valdyn: Xorg -configure |
| 20:56.28 | gravity | MAGIC |
| 20:56.33 | valdyn | gravity: ah, that one |
| 20:56.41 | morsing | abrotman: Why would that not get upgraded? |
| 20:56.46 | gravity | orveldv: Gentooish? |
| 20:56.46 | nareshov | X -configure <-- i like this one |
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| 20:57.22 | morsing | abrotman: Thanks! Works now :) |
| 20:57.36 | gravity | One of the primary motivations is to also return control of xorg.conf to the user and not have the config script own it. |
| 20:57.50 | valdyn | ok, that one is obviously not useful for braindead monitors |
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| 20:58.03 | gravity | What the dpkg-reconfigure script did was/is a violation of policy because it overwrites your config files |
| 20:58.34 | nareshov | but it does back up the earlier .conf |
| 20:58.35 | gravity | Basically now *you* control your own xorg.conf, not some crappy shell script |
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| 20:58.40 | valdyn | gravity: i think its perfectly acceptable to drop such kind of support for legacy hardware |
| 20:58.46 | gravity | nareshov: Yeah, we made the best of it that we could |
| 20:58.53 | jpinx | ssb gives me info on how to install a package into lenny from sid - can I just substitute squeeze and get (for example) wicd from squeeze ? |
| 20:59.04 | nareshov | i'm sorry, what's the debate on anyway? D: |
| 20:59.15 | gravity | valdyn: It's not dropping support. The debconf script didn't detect anything that the X server wouldn't |
| 20:59.32 | orveldv | nareshov: it's just me trolling as usual |
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| 20:59.38 | nareshov | o |
| 20:59.39 | nareshov | D: |
| 20:59.43 | gravity | valdyn: So the debconf script wouldn't find any special values if the server can't. In which case, all you're doing is inputting the values by hand, which is the same thing you can do with a text editor |
| 20:59.44 | bhrich902 | need some help putting external usb drive to spin down, hdprm -S60 /dev/hdx does the trick but it won't work for sdx drives, whats the equivalent for those? |
| 20:59.57 | nareshov | bhrich902: use sdparm ? |
| 20:59.57 | abrotman | sdparm ? |
| 21:00.00 | valdyn | gravity: yea, i understand, its the dialogue where ( clueless ) people just picked one of the predefined settings for their display |
| 21:00.17 | valdyn | gravity: this is what orveldv did before i bet |
| 21:00.22 | gravity | shrugs |
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| 21:00.46 | bhrich902 | i tried but can't understand make sense of the man |
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| 21:01.22 | valdyn | same old hdparm works for libata too |
| 21:01.34 | \amethyst | jpinx: you could, but it probably make more sense to go ahead and use the version from sid |
| 21:01.46 | orveldv | valdyn: nope, when I was using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I knew what my monitor could do and I picked a generic one with the same performances |
| 21:02.03 | valdyn | orveldv: thats what i said |
| 21:02.17 | gravity | orveldv: So just input that in to your xorg.conf |
| 21:02.21 | valdyn | orveldv: it was the wrong values, but they served your purpose |
| 21:02.22 | \amethyst | jpinx: sid is 1.5.9-4 and squeeze is 1.5.9-1... the changes are just some packaging fixes |
| 21:02.25 | gravity | Or... better yet, write us up a GUI config thingy |
| 21:02.33 | jpinx | \amethyst: ok - wicd is only one example, but that's for confirming before I break something ;) |
| 21:02.34 | gravity | I'd love to see one that actually happened |
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| 21:02.46 | jpinx | \amethyst: thanks |
| 21:02.57 | nareshov | gnome-randr-applet |
| 21:03.00 | allaun | there is a xorg gui if you want the link? |
| 21:03.05 | \amethyst | jpinx: check the build dependencies first http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/wicd to make sure they're all available in your version |
| 21:03.06 | allaun | i used to use it all the time |
| 21:03.14 | \amethyst | jpinx: in this case they are |
| 21:03.22 | gravity | Anyway, the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg script should be going away completely this release cycle |
| 21:03.33 | bhrich902 | valdyn: what u mean? |
| 21:03.33 | allaun | http://www.deesaster.org/progxorg.php |
| 21:03.37 | gravity | You won't need it to configure keymaps anymore, so most people will have no xorg.conf |
| 21:03.43 | gravity | Yay teh future |
| 21:03.47 | gravity | allaun: Which one? |
| 21:03.53 | gravity | allaun: Is it the KDE one? |
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| 21:04.00 | valdyn | bhrich902: what did i say? |
| 21:04.06 | aryah | hope nvidia-settings catches up with that, instead of crashin appaled with its emptyness :D |
| 21:04.16 | allaun | xorg-edit |
| 21:04.19 | bhrich902 | same old hdparm works for libata too |
| 21:04.29 | allaun | gpl3 |
| 21:04.36 | valdyn | bhrich902: abrotman asked "sdparm", i said hdparm works for your disks too |
| 21:04.43 | gravity | allaun: http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=887885 |
| 21:05.03 | bhrich902 | it fails when i do hdparm -S60 /dev/sda |
| 21:05.19 | allaun | aww |
| 21:05.22 | allaun | okise |
| 21:05.24 | allaun | i liked it alot |
| 21:05.30 | allaun | it was rather intutive |
| 21:05.36 | gravity | Seriously. xorg.conf is deprecated for most people. |
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| 21:05.55 | valdyn | unfortunately not for intel drivers |
| 21:06.10 | gravity | erm? |
| 21:06.15 | allaun | just out of curiosity how do you force a refresh rate? |
| 21:06.37 | gravity | allaun: VertRefresh |
| 21:06.39 | Wyzard | valdyn: I use the intel driver on my laptop and I have no xorg.conf at all |
| 21:06.53 | valdyn | gravity: theres a huge difference in everyday ( webbrowsing ) performance between XAA accelration and EXA, and default is slow |
| 21:06.55 | gravity | allaun: There's also TargetRefresh, but I've never seen anyone use it, so I don't know how well it works |
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| 21:07.21 | gravity | valdyn: Ah... yeah. Both of those are pretty much abandoned upstream for intel. Look for UXA in the future. |
| 21:07.34 | gravity | valdyn: They've decided that's the way forward. We'll see what happens with the other drivers. |
| 21:07.40 | bhrich902 | is there an equivalent of this http://www.fedoraguide.info/index.php?title=Main_Page for debian? |
| 21:07.50 | amphi | damn, EXA is also deprecated? |
| 21:08.00 | gravity | amphi: Sorta, not really, kinda, but not really |
| 21:08.12 | valdyn | Wyzard: try firefox and XAA and scroll |
| 21:08.19 | gravity | amphi: Basically there's people trying to put memory management in the kernel because that's where they believe it belongs |
| 21:08.27 | gravity | amphi: That's UXA. It's basically EXA adapted for that purpose |
| 21:08.28 | valdyn | Wyzard: i still dont know if every intel chip is affected, but the difference is huge for some people |
| 21:08.37 | amphi | gravity: aye, I'd read of that |
| 21:08.40 | gravity | amphi: There's still tons of work going on for EXA though, almost daily |
| 21:08.46 | \amethyst | bhrich902: wiki.debian.org maybe? |
| 21:08.47 | valdyn | Wyzard: and even worse if they use compiz |
| 21:08.52 | amphi | gravity: ah,ok, comprehension dawns, thank you |
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| 21:09.17 | gravity | amphi: I don't know what the status is for non-intel drivers on UXA or any other in-kernel system. I think there's some work for that on radeon and nouveau, but it's unclear to me right now |
| 21:09.37 | amphi | gravity: uhuh - I'm on intel here |
| 21:09.38 | gravity | amphi: But just today there was a release of radeon supporting EXA for r6xx/r7xx chipsets |
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| 21:10.01 | Wyzard | valdyn: Mine's an i915, not one of the newer ones |
| 21:10.02 | valdyn | bhrich902: wiki.debian.org and the debian reference and the debian release notes |
| 21:10.05 | gravity | amphi: Ok, you're on the forefront then. Once the kernel support for UXA is there in Debian and upstream makes the switch, we will too |
| 21:10.48 | gravity | And I have no idea what's up with KMS, so don't ask :-) |
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| 21:12.01 | humbolt1 | How can I install debian from an USB pendrive with the non-graphical installer. The thing keeps asking me for the cdrom drive. |
| 21:12.06 | humbolt1 | I have none! |
| 21:13.06 | CcSsNET | symlink /dev/cdrom |
| 21:13.15 | CcSsNET | to /dev/"the usb" |
| 21:13.19 | CcSsNET | see what happens |
| 21:13.22 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 21:13.23 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 21:13.58 | amphi | gravity: heh, thanks |
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| 21:14.03 | streuner | sorry, but that reminds me always to this |
| 21:14.04 | nareshov | humbolt1: read http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en ? |
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| 21:14.38 | streuner | humbolt1: CDROMs arent expensive |
| 21:15.03 | humbolt1 | nareshov: the booting is not the problem, the installers code is. |
| 21:15.19 | humbolt1 | streuner: have no slots available in my eee box |
| 21:15.25 | streuner | oh |
| 21:16.10 | humbolt1 | CcSsNET: actually the thing asks for a device file and I have pointed it to the usb pendrives sdb1. Did not help. |
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| 21:16.51 | streuner | dpkg eeepc |
| 21:16.51 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860>. #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:17.19 | humbolt1 | streuner: You will see more of these questions coming up in the future. People start to get adventurous wanting to find out, how to get rid of the preinstalled OS. |
| 21:17.27 | valdyn | humbolt1: your iso image is on that usb stick? |
| 21:18.25 | streuner | humbolt1: did you get that image what the wiki already recommended? |
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| 21:19.59 | streuner | humbolt1: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install#head-61b8e7d03db5fd5a01e272254dfb2a70ccb1874a |
| 21:20.26 | dacs | what is the kernel for lenny |
| 21:20.32 | streuner | 2.6.26 |
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| 21:21.29 | humbolt1 | valdyn: the script I was using rather copied the contents of the iso, not the iso itself as it seems |
| 21:21.34 | humbolt1 | I have a pool dir |
| 21:21.42 | dacs | streuner: but it say that ipw2200.fw is included in 2.6.15 and that was not the case for me it said it is missing |
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| 21:22.29 | BlueG | I installed Debian Lenny with the SQL server option, but I am a little bit confused on how I need to set up or configure the server. It seems to be installed, but not running, and complains about configuration if I try to start it manually. I don't see anything about Postgres at debian.org/docs either. |
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| 21:23.04 | gparent | search for postgre related things in /etc/ |
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| 21:23.09 | gparent | you'll eventually find the config |
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| 21:23.14 | streuner | !listkeys ipw2200 |
| 21:23.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ipw2200' by key (9): #debian ipw2200 firmware ;; CMD: ipw2200smite (.*?) ;; #debian ipw2200 ;; ipw2200 tx_power ;; ipw2200 firmware ;; ipw2200 ;; ipw2200 troubleshooting ;; ipw2200 build ;; _default ipw2200. |
| 21:23.52 | streuner | dpkg ipw2200 firmware |
| 21:23.52 | dpkg | it has been said that ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915 802.11a/bg chipsets (http://ipw2200.sf.net/) included in kernels since 2.6.15. Firmware is required. Lenny: Add <non-free sources> and install the 'firmware-ipw2x00' package. Etch: Download firmware v3.0 from http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and extract to /lib/firmware. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 21:26.00 | streuner | dpkg, factinfo ipw2200 firmware |
| 21:26.01 | dpkg | ipw2200 firmware -- last modified at Tue Jun 12 14:23:22 2007 by jelly!n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr; it has been requested 16 times, last by streuner, 2m 8s ago. |
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| 21:26.09 | BlueG | gparent: I suppose that is true, but I could spend quite some time playing with it trying to figure out what to do once I find it. I was hoping there was a guide to getting a basic, sensible setup working. |
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| 21:26.38 | BlueG | I was actually rather surprised that it isn't working by default, but perhaps there is a good reason for that. |
| 21:27.45 | hark | BlueG: read the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/postgresql-8.3 |
| 21:28.00 | simonrvn | there's some basic set up done so it runs, but not much else besides that and some good default users/hosts. if you need more you add them. |
| 21:28.22 | simonrvn | /usr/share/doc is your friend ;) |
| 21:28.46 | hark | dacs: it says the driver is included, not the firmware |
| 21:29.09 | nolus | what parts are there to the wlan on the local machine: the driver modules (especially mac80211), the wpa_supplicant, and the ifup/ifdown scripts... did I forget something? |
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| 21:39.03 | ktwilight__ | any words of advice before i upgrade a production machine from etch to lenny? :) |
| 21:39.16 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 21:39.27 | streuner | read release notes lenny :-) |
| 21:39.35 | ktwilight__ | ah, read. |
| 21:39.42 | streuner | !release notes lenny |
| 21:39.47 | gryfie | use dd to make a backup :) |
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| 21:40.16 | streuner | !lenny release notes |
| 21:40.16 | dpkg | i guess lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask about <i-g>, <installer firmware> <etch->lenny key> <errata> |
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| 21:40.52 | ktwilight__ | thanks :) |
| 21:41.15 | streuner | there are still security support for etch |
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| 21:41.25 | streuner | s/are/is/ |
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| 21:41.54 | John_S | I installed debian on a new hd, how can I update grub to see my ubuntu hd install |
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| 21:42.51 | streuner | ktwilight__: in case you got to many headaches... |
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| 21:43.36 | ktwilight__ | :) |
| 21:43.47 | ktwilight__ | streuner, am reading the release notes in detail, just to see if i've missed anything |
| 21:44.07 | ktwilight__ | i've upgraded a few vms to lenny, no probs. but now it's the host machine, i just don't wanna mess up big time :) |
| 21:44.10 | Macjust- | how can i know the hd and part to grub boot ? |
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| 21:44.29 | ktwilight__ | and i rolled my own kernel, which so far i haven't see that it'd be problem |
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| 21:45.47 | Aizawa | When downloading debian there are like 4 dvds or 30 something cds. I suspect you need different cds for different packages, is there a list or a key somewhere that shows me what cd contains what? I'm kinda short on dvds, plus I don't want a DE/WM, just Bash. I thought I might be able to get away with perhaps just a few CD's, possibly. |
| 21:45.55 | Aizawa | Sorry for the wall-o-text |
| 21:47.14 | ktwilight__ | Aizawa, get netinst |
| 21:47.28 | ktwilight__ | it has the basics to run debian. |
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| 21:49.20 | Aizawa | with netinst my wireless network card doesn't work = long ass network cable all the way through my apartment |
| 21:49.43 | ktwilight__ | Aizawa, then install the necessary packages to get it runnning ;) |
| 21:50.11 | Aizawa | My point was that with a network install I sort of need a connection. |
| 21:50.20 | streuner | firmware |
| 21:50.32 | Aizawa | Excuuuuuuuuse me? |
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| 21:50.39 | Aizawa | Seriously though, what? |
| 21:50.56 | ktwilight__ | right |
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| 21:51.51 | ctx144k | hello all |
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| 21:54.31 | snax | hiya |
| 21:54.45 | snax | i ran the nvidia one liner, but i dont think it configured xorg. |
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| 21:55.06 | snax | how to do that, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg right? |
| 21:55.07 | Macjust- | any person to my partition number ? |
| 21:55.08 | valdyn | snax: i doesnt configure xorg |
| 21:55.15 | nareshov | snax: do X --configure |
| 21:55.21 | nareshov | and use the new xorg.conf |
| 21:55.22 | snax | ok |
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| 21:55.40 | nareshov | (modprobe nvidia first, just in case) |
| 21:55.46 | nareshov | (not sure if it'd matter) |
| 21:55.58 | snax | Fatal server error: |
| 21:55.59 | snax | Unrecognized option: --configure |
| 21:56.15 | stew | snax: in a current version of debian a reconfigure wouldn't be needed |
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| 21:56.27 | nareshov | stew: X -configure |
| 21:56.33 | gryfie | does lenny (X) support Via Unichrome (pro... ?)) |
| 21:56.33 | snax | as root ? |
| 21:56.44 | snax | i dont think root sees display 0:0 |
| 21:56.48 | valdyn | snax: X -configure, as root |
| 21:56.52 | snax | ok |
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| 21:57.24 | snax | i keep getting errors |
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| 21:57.31 | snax | Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running |
| 21:57.38 | snax | so i should get outa KDE ? |
| 21:57.47 | snax | ctrl alt F2 ? |
| 21:57.53 | streuner | KDE needs X ... |
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| 21:58.09 | snax | well im getting errors when i run X -configure |
| 21:58.11 | stew | snax: why not "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"? |
| 21:58.13 | streuner | are you start KDE via kdm? |
| 21:58.22 | streuner | heh |
| 21:58.28 | snax | yeah /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 21:58.33 | streuner | doesnt work |
| 21:58.41 | stew | snax: unless you already have a default config, which would work withough a reconfigure |
| 21:58.46 | snax | stew: that line doesent ask me which video driver to use. |
| 21:59.05 | stew | snax: it's not supposed to. the nvidia driver would be detected at runtime |
| 21:59.53 | snax | do i have to edit xorg.conf manually? |
| 22:00.03 | snax | why ami getting errors on X -configure |
| 22:00.06 | snax | i'll pastebin em |
| 22:00.12 | stew | snax: why do you have to edit xorg.conf at all? |
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| 22:00.48 | snax | http://rafb.net/p/91wBCb52.html |
| 22:01.13 | snax | glxinfo says ---> direct rendering: No |
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| 22:01.30 | snax | so im assuming xorg is not using the driver. |
| 22:01.30 | stew | snax: have you restarted X since installing the nvidia driver? |
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| 22:02.36 | snax | i restarted kde |
| 22:02.46 | snax | gout out via alt-F2 |
| 22:02.55 | snax | then ran /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 22:03.31 | nareshov | and?? |
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| 22:03.57 | Avatar_ | hallo, i have apache2, libapache2-mod-php5 with apt-get, but a2enmod returns ERROR: Module php does not exist! and index.php is download |
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| 22:04.27 | Avatar_ | #apache means i have an debian issue |
| 22:04.57 | stew | Avatar_: a2enmod php5 |
| 22:05.29 | Avatar_ | Module php5 already enabled |
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| 22:05.56 | stew | Avatar_: what is the issue? |
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| 22:06.23 | Avatar_ | stew: php scripts is download, not run |
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| 22:07.46 | Avatar_ | stew: mods-enable has php5.conf/load |
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| 22:08.25 | snax | hi |
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| 22:08.33 | ctx144k | hello all... back again |
| 22:08.35 | snax | now i have direct rendering. but i lost some resolution |
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| 22:08.53 | snax | i mean, i cant get anything greatre than 1024X800 |
| 22:08.53 | basix | Is there a chance that Lenny will have OO.o 3.0 and Gnome 2.24? If I want these two packages what should I prefer? Lenny or Sid? |
| 22:08.58 | valdyn | snax: paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a paste site |
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| 22:10.00 | ctx144k | iam using debian5 - with xmms1 (deb http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~knuta/xmms/lenny ./) - when i start it with double size i get the follow error: Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) |
| 22:10.11 | ctx144k | anyone knows a fix for that problem? |
| 22:10.30 | valdyn | basix: you are asking if its worthing loosing your work and wasting time in order to get latest gnome and oo |
| 22:10.37 | valdyn | basix: the answer has to be no, obviously |
| 22:10.58 | ctx144k | audacity have problems with showing skins... (i have some for WinAmp2, but they have grafical effekts) |
| 22:11.16 | orveldv | ok forget about xorg, I'm back with another question: dpkg (the bot) says that I can use synaptic as a fronted for aptitude and not for apt-get as in the old days |
| 22:11.18 | orveldv | what do I have to do to use it with aptitude and not with apt-get? |
| 22:11.34 | valdyn | orveldv: thats nonsense |
| 22:11.41 | valdyn | orveldv: synaptic is the same old |
| 22:11.44 | pipeline | orveldv: I think synaptic just uses libapt directly |
| 22:11.47 | basix | valdyn, i'm running a mix of Sid and Lenny with a custom kernel. My on board Microphone, Bluetooth, Cardreader dont work. Compiz sucks. So i'm thinking about either moving to ubuntu or giving Lenny a try and all of these things are important hence my question. |
| 22:11.49 | ctx144k | kplayer is great - but cant switch between files in m3u/pls files |
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| 22:12.15 | orveldv | oh my, is the bot cheating ? |
| 22:12.19 | ctx144k | so i dont know any EASY ogg/mp3 player like winamp2 |
| 22:12.42 | nareshov | ctx144k: foobar2k through wine? :D |
| 22:12.45 | snax | xorg log, nothing interesting. i just want more resolution options http://rafb.net/p/UBW1ml38.html |
| 22:12.50 | CentHOGG | foobar rocks |
| 22:13.22 | nareshov | snax: X -configure would've given a tailormade xorg.conf :| |
| 22:13.38 | ctx144k | iam hating wine |
| 22:13.43 | adb | ctx144k: tried audacious ? |
| 22:13.54 | ctx144k | yes, have problems with winamp2-skins |
| 22:14.06 | nareshov | ctx144k: how about mpd + your_choice_of_mpc ? |
| 22:14.10 | ctx144k | and own skins are to black, or to white :) |
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| 22:14.17 | valdyn | snax: thats fucked up that nvidia disabled showing which modes are not used for which reason like every sane driver does it |
| 22:14.28 | snax | nareshov: but it gives me an error http://rafb.net/p/PZ2Vjh78.html |
| 22:14.40 | orveldv | nareshov, X -configure does not work at all for some people |
| 22:14.42 | nareshov | snax: reboot the comp or something |
| 22:14.43 | ctx144k | i wanna an easy (but good) player i can start via konqueror... |
| 22:14.49 | snax | i just ran the nvidia one liner |
| 22:14.54 | snax | k i'll reboot the whole pc |
| 22:14.56 | nareshov | ctx144k: juk? |
| 22:15.02 | valdyn | snax: why reboot? |
| 22:15.03 | ctx144k | kplayer would be great, if i could use it with pls/m3u-files |
| 22:15.07 | CentHOGG | isn't xmms winamp |
| 22:15.18 | snax | valdyn: nareshov told me to |
| 22:15.23 | ctx144k | i dont like juk/amarok |
| 22:15.26 | valdyn | snax: nonsense |
| 22:15.30 | snax | ok |
| 22:15.33 | orveldv | valdyn, pipeline : thanks |
| 22:16.02 | valdyn | snax: isnt your X working fine except that you miss resolutions? |
| 22:16.09 | snax | pretty much |
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| 22:16.15 | snax | im in kde right now. |
| 22:16.15 | nareshov | http://rafb.net/p/PZ2Vjh78.html <- ? |
| 22:16.30 | nareshov | snax: you ran X -configure when kdm was stopped, right? |
| 22:16.45 | snax | oh no. |
| 22:16.50 | nareshov | :| |
| 22:16.56 | snax | i'll pull a crtl alt f2 |
| 22:17.06 | varney | i installed nvidia per these instructions: http://desiato.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.html and they worked. but i have and amd athlonn 64, i use i386 version of debian etch as mouse doesn't freeze in it. i then found this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=52488. i notice my kernel is (uname -r) 2.6.18-6-486 - should i upgrade to 686 (i don't know if this is still a 'i386 build) or if that's an amd kernel build |
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| 22:17.36 | valdyn | varney: you can upgrade |
| 22:17.43 | eap | Is anyone else having problems with gnome-settings-daemon on current testing ? |
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| 22:18.27 | snax | that still didnt work |
| 22:18.33 | varney | valdyn: and what about the 686 branch - is it more suited to my system (but remembering i want to stay i386 mode) ? |
| 22:18.42 | snax | i ran X -configure with kdm not running. still no more resolutions. |
| 22:19.02 | snax | i actually had these resolutions be fore i had nvidia drivers installed. |
| 22:19.02 | valdyn | varney: yes it is more suited for your system |
| 22:19.03 | nareshov | did you use the xorg.conf it gave? |
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| 22:19.19 | \amethyst | valdyn: -686 is still 32-bit |
| 22:19.21 | \amethyst | oop |
| 22:19.27 | \amethyst | varney: -686 is still 32-bit |
| 22:19.35 | \amethyst | varney: it's the -amd64 kernel that is 64-bit |
| 22:20.02 | \amethyst | varney: you'll need -686 anyway if you want more than a gig of RAM |
| 22:20.18 | varney | \amethyst: ah, thanks, that's the confusing part (not confusing now lol) |
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| 22:20.28 | \amethyst | varney: (and -686-bigmem for more than ~3 or 3.5 GB on a 32-bit system) |
| 22:20.37 | varney | hmm interesting. and maybe that's why my hd led is in semi-active mode all the time |
| 22:20.45 | nareshov | lol |
| 22:20.47 | varney | i've only 2GB ram thanks |
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| 22:21.08 | snax | i hate linux |
| 22:21.18 | \amethyst | varney: the -486 kernel is probably only using 1 GB. you can check the 'total' column in free |
| 22:21.19 | CentHOGG | ouch |
| 22:21.20 | valdyn | snacky: then dont use it |
| 22:21.27 | nareshov | D: |
| 22:21.31 | valdyn | oo |
| 22:21.31 | maligor | heh |
| 22:21.37 | CentHOGG | where's the love man? |
| 22:21.46 | varney | yesterday i felt like snax. today i feel happier ;P |
| 22:21.49 | \amethyst | valdyn: that was because of Nvidia's binary drivers, wasn't it? |
| 22:21.49 | spacepluk | snax: then just type /quit :P |
| 22:21.54 | streuner | dpkg, love CentHOGG |
| 22:21.55 | dpkg | makes love to CentHOGG, caressing CentHOGG's hair, whispering sweet nothings in CentHOGG's ear... |
| 22:21.55 | nareshov | spacepluk: he did |
| 22:21.59 | CentHOGG | ha |
| 22:22.00 | nareshov | o wow |
| 22:22.00 | spacepluk | oh too late |
| 22:22.01 | valdyn | \amethyst: in a way, we dont know |
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| 22:22.11 | spacepluk | :P |
| 22:22.18 | \amethyst | I decided I hated nvidia instead |
| 22:22.21 | valdyn | \amethyst: id have solved it in no time with free drivers though, because they log better |
| 22:22.23 | BlueG | simonrvn: There seems to be something wrong with my setup. Postgres is not running, it won't start, and the directions in /usr/share/doc/postgresql-8.3/README.Debian.gz don't work because there is no server to connect to. |
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| 22:23.00 | varney | ok well here's the crunch, i'm still not quite sure about this nvidia thing yet, it's quite complicated to understand and follow. so i've already followed the nvidia install instructions on http://desiato.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.html |
| 22:23.05 | streuner | \amethyst: hehe :-) |
| 22:23.09 | BlueG | I am I correct in understanding that when you install lenny with the SQL server option, postgres should be running by default? |
| 22:23.25 | varney | so if i upgrade to version 20 of the kernel, then what to i have to do regarding nvidia kernel etc? |
| 22:23.28 | valdyn | BlueG: is it installed? |
| 22:23.53 | valdyn | varney: you have to follow the same procudure you followed when installing nvidia drivers before |
| 22:24.06 | valdyn | varney: = reinstall nvidia drivers |
| 22:24.10 | BlueG | valdyn: yes, it is installed |
| 22:24.26 | valdyn | BlueG: if it is installed if should usually be running |
| 22:24.26 | varney | valdyn: so the appropriate modules will be downloaded and all? |
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| 22:24.42 | varney | automatically i mean |
| 22:24.43 | valdyn | varney: which modules are you talking about? |
| 22:24.59 | valdyn | varney: *you* have to reinstall nvidia drivers, theres noting automatic about it |
| 22:25.04 | varney | well it says "Keep in mind that whenever a new version of the nvidia driver comes out, or whenever you upgrade to a newer kernel, you will have to repeat step 4 again to build the nvidia kernel module to match the new driver and/or new kernel." |
| 22:25.20 | varney | so i just have to rebuild, not download anything new |
| 22:25.21 | valdyn | varney: oh, I see |
| 22:25.27 | valdyn | varney: depends |
| 22:25.37 | valdyn | varney: if you can use the old driver version, then just rebuild |
| 22:25.53 | valdyn | varney: from time to time new kernels break old nvidia driver versions though |
| 22:25.57 | varney | how would i even know if i can use 'the old driver version' |
| 22:25.59 | valdyn | varney: so give step 4 a try |
| 22:26.04 | varney | hmm ok |
| 22:26.14 | valdyn | varney: just try, you will get error messsages ( or not ) |
| 22:26.17 | varney | it would be my first thing to try anyway :P |
| 22:26.19 | varney | thanks |
| 22:26.22 | BlueG | valdyn: then it seems something is wrong. ps tells me it is not running and any attempt to connect to it with psql, createuser, etc fails |
| 22:26.42 | valdyn | BlueG: unconfigured services sometimes cannot start |
| 22:26.56 | valdyn | BlueG: if you set debconf accordingly, postgresql is not configure and cant start |
| 22:27.03 | valdyn | BlueG: try to start it anyway |
| 22:27.18 | varney | will dpkg --list linux-kernel* give me a list of the latest kernels? |
| 22:27.25 | valdyn | varney: no |
| 22:27.26 | BlueG | valdyn: what is the correct way to start it? |
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| 22:27.42 | valdyn | BlueG: /etc/init.d/post* start |
| 22:28.08 | BlueG | valdyn: as my normal, non-root user? |
| 22:28.13 | varney | valdyn: again, on the nvidia install page, "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686" |
| 22:28.17 | valdyn | BlueG: as root |
| 22:28.20 | varney | but how do i install .20 then? |
| 22:28.36 | valdyn | varney: thats not a version of a kernel, thats a package that automagically pulls the latest version |
| 22:28.48 | varney | the penny drops, lmao |
| 22:28.56 | varney | :P |
| 22:29.24 | varney | thanks all, i hope this doesn't screw up my system lol. all i want to do is web development but i need debian for it |
| 22:29.30 | varney | bbl :) |
| 22:29.39 | BlueG | valdyn: that gives no errors, but I still can't connect and ps still doesn't show postgres to be running |
| 22:29.56 | dacs | hark dacs: it says the driver is included, not the firmware ....how do i know which version , and how to load it please |
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| 22:30.52 | streuner | dacs: just download it and put it into /lib/firmware |
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| 22:31.03 | BlueG | valdyn: if it is a configuration (or lack thereof) problem, is there an automated way to configure it, or do I need to read alot more documentation and manually edit config files? |
| 22:31.24 | streuner | dacs: /msg dpkg ipw2200 firmware |
| 22:31.28 | BirdInTux | I am having some performance problems could someone help me resolve this issue please |
| 22:31.47 | dacs | streuner: i read that but i don't understand , can you assist please |
| 22:31.49 | valdyn | BlueG: probably dpkg-reconfigure postgresql-common |
| 22:32.10 | valdyn | BlueG: but theres files like README.Debian shipped for a reason, so you read them |
| 22:32.45 | BirdInTux | I get an hour glass for something as stupid as opening a commnd terminal |
| 22:33.05 | streuner | dacs: well, you should be able to download a simple file and just copy it into a folder |
| 22:33.19 | valdyn | BirdInTux: that is perfectly normal |
| 22:33.41 | BirdInTux | as well as my internet connection is a lot slower |
| 22:33.42 | dacs | streuner: how when i am running from the CD??!! |
| 22:33.52 | dacs | u mean burn another cd |
| 22:34.10 | streuner | just install the base packages of Debian |
| 22:34.19 | valdyn | BirdInTux: uname -r |
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| 22:35.06 | BirdInTux | 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
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| 22:36.18 | valdyn | BirdInTux: youre being so vague, no one can help you, get some infos and paste them on a paste site, the outputs of "top", "lsmod", "dmesg" for starters |
| 22:36.24 | BlueG | valdyn: perhaps I read the wrong README.Debian... |
| 22:37.00 | valdyn | BlueG: when happened when you tried to start it? |
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| 22:37.10 | valdyn | BlueG: what happened when you tried to start it? |
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| 22:37.56 | BlueG | valdyn: nothing. There was no output, still can't connect, and ps still doesn't show postgres running. |
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| 22:38.44 | valdyn | BlueG: paste the output of netstat -plunt ( run as root ) on a paste site |
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| 22:39.12 | BlueG | dpkg-reconfigure gives me "supported_versions: WARNING: Unknown Debian release: 5.0" |
| 22:39.17 | Avatar_ | i try to install cpan DBD::mysql |
| 22:39.18 | Avatar_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.18 | Avatar_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.18 | Avatar_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.18 | Avatar_ | , libdbd-mysql-perl is already the newest version. |
| 22:39.18 | aryah | well, so apparently a local simple repo MUST be named packages, anything else confuses apt/preferences.. all worked, vlc unstable backported to testing , thx everyone for help and company during longish compilation, build-deps and debugging |
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| 22:39.22 | BlueG | that doesn't seem right |
| 22:39.25 | aryah | cya pp! |
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| 22:39.40 | valdyn | BlueG: right, so your debian install is currently broken too |
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| 22:40.08 | BirdInTux | what is the paste bin for this room |
| 22:40.13 | BlueG | valdyn: perhaps I should go about fixing that first... |
| 22:40.14 | valdyn | !paste |
| 22:40.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 22:40.43 | Avatar_ | does sombody know, why DBD::mysql is not to install ? |
| 22:41.17 | Avatar_ | k |
| 22:41.19 | valdyn | Avatar_: /usr/local/bin/perl exists? |
| 22:41.48 | nareshov | ibdbd-mysql-perl <-- install that? |
| 22:41.49 | streuner | its just a warning |
| 22:41.55 | nareshov | libdbd-* |
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| 22:42.04 | Avatar_ | valdyn: yes |
| 22:42.09 | HaC|away | hmm... |
| 22:42.12 | valdyn | Avatar_: thats not a debian file |
| 22:42.17 | HaC|away | how do i install sources with aptitude ? |
| 22:42.20 | valdyn | Avatar_: = we cannot support your custom install of perl |
| 22:42.34 | HaC|away | i know how to use apt-get source |
| 22:42.35 | Avatar_ | how can i install the right one? |
| 22:42.40 | HaC|away | but how can i do it with aptitude ? |
| 22:42.48 | valdyn | Avatar_: its already installed, debian doesnt run without perl |
| 22:43.05 | Avatar_ | how can i remove the wrong? |
| 22:43.17 | valdyn | Avatar_: how the hell did you install it? |
| 22:43.22 | BirdInTux | http://paste.debian.net/30601/ |
| 22:43.25 | BirdInTux | there ya go |
| 22:43.41 | Avatar_ | i friend tried to upgrade |
| 22:43.57 | Avatar_ | in dont know whe there ist not debian |
| 22:44.20 | Avatar_ | sorry keyboard |
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| 22:44.51 | valdyn | BirdInTux: you have more than 1 sata controller ? |
| 22:44.52 | Avatar_ | can I change it valdyn? |
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| 22:45.24 | valdyn | Avatar_: i dont know the ways in which you fucked up your debian install |
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| 22:45.41 | valdyn | Avatar_: nothing in /usr/local/ must interfere with debian |
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| 22:45.51 | BirdInTux | I dont have any special add on controllers |
| 22:46.12 | valdyn | BirdInTux: put the output of lspci up on a paste site too and the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 22:46.18 | Avatar_ | is there a change to clean it up ? |
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| 22:46.24 | BirdInTux | ok |
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| 22:46.41 | valdyn | Avatar_: you should ask your friend that installed perl to fix it |
| 22:46.45 | adb | ask he friend |
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| 22:46.55 | adb | the* |
| 22:47.14 | valdyn | Avatar_: now i could be brutal and suggest rm -r /usr/local/*, but that might get something you actually need |
| 22:47.43 | Avatar_ | :( |
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| 22:47.49 | scum | Hi there will can I use ports in my /etc/hosts ? Like 127.0.0.1:8080 test.x |
| 22:47.56 | nareshov | o.o |
| 22:47.57 | streuner | just re-install Debian would be a better idea, IMO :-) |
| 22:48.00 | valdyn | scum: no |
| 22:48.27 | streuner | because fucking with Perl give you lots of headaches :-) |
| 22:48.30 | nareshov | scum: you can use iptables to redirect 80 to 8080 though |
| 22:48.32 | CalebRipley | If i what to backup a ntfs-filesystem, which backup-tool should i use? |
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| 22:49.08 | BirdInTux | i get permission denied for /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:49.18 | BirdInTux | and I am the root |
| 22:49.20 | valdyn | BirdInTux: dont run it, jsut get the contents |
| 22:50.43 | Avatar_ | valdyn, can I rename perl or so on and install debian perl? |
| 22:50.53 | valdyn | Avatar_: debian perl is installed |
| 22:50.57 | valdyn | Avatar_: i ALREADY said that |
| 22:51.13 | valdyn | Avatar_: you can move /usr/local/bin/perl away, yes |
| 22:51.52 | Avatar_ | ok whre ist the correct perl ? |
| 22:52.05 | valdyn | Avatar_: in /usr/bin/ |
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| 22:52.46 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.54 | adb | This is perl, v5.10.0 built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi |
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| 22:53.07 | valdyn | adb: that would get his /usr/local/bin/perl |
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| 22:53.31 | adb | its lenny version |
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| 22:53.57 | Avatar_ | how can i update debian-perl? |
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| 22:54.12 | valdyn | Avatar_: why would you do that? |
| 22:54.51 | Avatar_ | oh it is 5.10 |
| 22:55.00 | Avatar_ | no update needed |
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| 22:55.39 | valdyn | BirdInTux: nothing wrong in what you gave me, maybe installing prelink can speed things up slightly |
| 22:56.01 | Avatar_ | what can happen when i remove /usr/local/* ? |
| 22:56.17 | valdyn | Avatar_: we cannot know what you have there |
| 22:56.18 | Avatar_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.24 | valdyn | Avatar_: we know that theres nothing debian related |
| 22:56.35 | streuner | we told you, we cannot support your (own) system |
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| 22:58.44 | Avatar_ | i should risk it^ |
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| 23:00.07 | Avatar_ | whent it is removed, so i can install DBD::mysql ? |
| 23:00.11 | Avatar_ | -t |
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| 23:01.19 | robert83a1 | hello, I've removed a lot of packages from my debian 3.0r1 install, dpkg --list still lists the removed packages as well, how do I force dpkg to update it's database? |
| 23:01.35 | BirdInTux | http://paste.debian.net/30602/ there ya go |
| 23:02.56 | Avatar_ | ok it is clean valdyn |
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| 23:03.29 | benny-` | robert83a1: look at the package status |
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| 23:04.01 | robert83a1 | oh it says rc |
| 23:04.26 | BirdInTux | is that enough enough valdyn |
| 23:04.26 | Avatar_ | maxwell:/usr/bin# maxwell:/etc# cpan |
| 23:04.26 | Avatar_ | bash: /usr/local/bin/cpan: No such file or directory |
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| 23:04.39 | Avatar_ | whre can i correct the search path ? |
| 23:04.43 | BirdInTux | enough info i mean |
| 23:04.47 | Avatar_ | to /usr/bin |
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| 23:05.50 | JordiGH | Hm, why does aptitude want to install on testing libgnome2-0 2.24 but wants to keep the rest of gnome at 2.22? |
| 23:07.04 | valdyn | BirdInTux: nothing wrong, maybe installing prelink can speed things up slightly |
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| 23:07.44 | adb | judd: libgnome2-0 versions |
| 23:07.44 | judd | adb: Error: "libgnome2-0" is not a valid command. |
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| 23:08.11 | BirdInTux | a buddy of mine is downloading the same file in 3 mins with a 1.5mb max connection and it takes me over an hour with 20mb connection |
| 23:08.13 | Avatar_ | please, whre can i change the perl search pathes ? |
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| 23:08.40 | valdyn | BirdInTux: why would download speed be related to your debian system? |
| 23:08.54 | Avatar_ | valdyn? |
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| 23:09.07 | BirdInTux | well after i said things not running very fast I also said my internet connection seems to be slower as well |
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| 23:09.11 | valdyn | Avatar_: run hash -r |
| 23:09.23 | Avatar_ | ok |
| 23:09.33 | valdyn | BirdInTux: that internet connection thing seems entirely unrelated |
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| 23:11.28 | valdyn | BirdInTux: what are you downloading? are different servers as slow? |
| 23:11.35 | valdyn | BirdInTux: and complain about that to your isp |
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| 23:11.52 | Avatar_ | valdyn, CAPTTOFU/DBD-mysql-4.010.tar.gz : writemakefile NO '/usr/bin/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=site' returned status 512 |
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| 23:13.21 | valdyn | Avatar_: whats wrong with using debians dbd-mysql instead? |
| 23:14.15 | \amethyst | BirdInTux: it might help if you could you pastebin the outputs of the following commands: iostat 1 5; vmstat 1 5; top -b | head -n 20 |
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| 23:14.31 | \amethyst | BirdInTux: that will give people an idea of how loaded your system is, and maybe what's causing it |
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| 23:15.14 | valdyn | already seen top, nothing is running |
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| 23:16.22 | Avatar_ | i think it works valdyn but other moduels not |
| 23:16.28 | jpinx | What's a lightweight .pdf creator package for lenny? |
| 23:17.13 | \amethyst | jpinx: many programs will let you print to PDF |
| 23:17.35 | \amethyst | jpinx: what kind of PDF do you want to make? text, vector graphics, tables, ... |
| 23:17.42 | valdyn | Avatar_: i have no idea why you are trying to solve whatever actual problem you have by installing upstream stuff, when theres debian packages that work perfectly fine, nor do i know which stuff beside dbd-mysql you are trying to install |
| 23:18.04 | jpinx | \amethyst: I'm looking for something lightweight to make .doc style files ( words and pictures) |
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| 23:18.09 | Avatar_ | it told my no DBI-mysql found in path .... |
| 23:18.14 | \amethyst | jpinx: abiword maybe |
| 23:18.17 | Avatar_ | but it was the wrong perl |
| 23:18.21 | valdyn | Avatar_: so its not installed |
| 23:18.27 | \amethyst | jpinx: is openoffice too heavy for you? |
| 23:18.27 | valdyn | Avatar_: or that |
| 23:18.30 | jpinx | \amethyst: ok - looking thanks |
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| 23:18.39 | valdyn | Avatar_: whatever else you need might be installable too |
| 23:18.41 | Avatar_ | i test mom plz |
| 23:18.46 | jpinx | \amethyst: yes -I'm on a little eeepc |
| 23:18.54 | jpinx | only 4GBs hdd |
| 23:18.57 | \amethyst | jpinx: to create a PDF you select 'Create a PDF document' or 'Print to file' in the Print dialog |
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| 23:19.15 | \amethyst | jpinx: abiword is smaller then oowriter, but it can be buggy at times |
| 23:19.27 | \amethyst | jpinx: I haven't used it in a few years |
| 23:19.35 | jpinx | \amethyst: ok thanks |
| 23:19.45 | CentHOGG | wordstar |
| 23:19.47 | Avatar_ | valdyn, to remove ../local/... was a good tip, now it works |
| 23:19.48 | Avatar_ | thx |
| 23:20.04 | valdyn | Avatar_: nice, please kill your "friend" now |
| 23:20.08 | jpinx | \amethyst: can I install selected parts of OO ? |
| 23:20.10 | nareshov | lol |
| 23:20.11 | Avatar_ | lol |
| 23:20.44 | Avatar_ | no, he made aptUDE $ ME .) |
| 23:20.48 | \amethyst | jpinx: yes, but the core is 108MB |
| 23:20.49 | jpinx | \amethyst: all attempts have dragged in the whole suite - not just oowriter |
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| 23:21.57 | jpinx | \amethyst: yea - that's the problem - ok - trying abiwriter - thanks |
| 23:22.07 | \amethyst | jpinx: abiword |
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| 23:22.16 | jpinx | Ooops |
| 23:22.41 | valdyn | jpinx: there always is ps2pdf* |
| 23:22.45 | jpinx | ?me loves the way apt-cache search finds stuff ;) |
| 23:22.50 | valdyn | jpinx: and everything can be made into ps |
| 23:22.54 | \amethyst | jpinx: another is LyX, but that's for LaTeX (it's optimized for scientific papers etc) |
| 23:23.06 | Avatar_ | bye all |
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| 23:25.36 | almark1 | Hello, is 64studio questions supported here? |
| 23:25.49 | valdyn | !64studio |
| 23:25.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 64studio is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, oriented towards audio/video recording and media production. It uses a custom kernel with realtime patches added. http://64studio.com/, #64studio @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:26.09 | almark1 | their channel isn't working |
| 23:26.10 | valdyn | almark1: no, maybe |
| 23:26.17 | valdyn | !they don't know |
| 23:26.17 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 23:26.28 | almark1 | I did |
| 23:26.46 | almark1 | Its hopeless but., |
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| 23:26.56 | nareshov | !but |
| 23:26.56 | dpkg | hmm... but is not a GPL project? |
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| 23:27.25 | jpinx | \amethyst: abiword is 31MBs without the plugins to do pdf printing |
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| 23:27.45 | almark1 | So it is true you don't support 64studio questions? |
| 23:27.47 | jpinx | I might as well go for OO :| |
| 23:28.00 | almark1 | It is debain is it not? |
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| 23:28.07 | Defender | dpkg -L <package> |
| 23:28.07 | dpkg | ii <package> 2.9-3.2 defender's private stamp collection |
| 23:28.15 | karsten | missed local pi day. |
| 23:28.44 | redeeman | almark1: if it's a purely debian question, then ask |
| 23:29.05 | jpinx | pi day is 22/7 isn't it karsten? |
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| 23:29.08 | almark1 | I see sorry it isn't. thanks |
| 23:29.31 | jpinx | almark1: you could try #linux |
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| 23:29.50 | almark1 | I have but they do not know either, go figure huh |
| 23:29.59 | karsten | jpinx: 3.14 |
| 23:30.06 | karsten | jpinx: m.dd format. |
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| 23:30.16 | karsten | jpinx: and 15:00 localtime. The 92 is harder to do. |
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| 23:30.59 | jpinx | karsten: heh - uk format makes more sense - dd/m = 22/7 = 22 July |
| 23:31.57 | amphi | I wonder who on earth invented middle-endian date format, and why |
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| 23:32.15 | jpinx | karsten and you can take all day writing out pi by hand;) |
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| 23:33.46 | jpinx | amphi: it's yyyy:mm:dd abbreviated |
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| 23:34.40 | varney | ok so i installed the latest kernel but it's not .20, it seems .18 is the latest for etch - where is 20 to be found? |
| 23:34.58 | g00se | Just lost a file in /tmp due to crash. Had to do hard power off. Any way of recovering it? |
| 23:35.05 | jpinx | varney: etch-n-half ? |
| 23:35.09 | amphi | jpinx: mm:dd:yyyy truncated, I think |
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| 23:36.09 | varney | jpinx: nope, just etch i386 (and i ran aptitude install linux-kernel-686) |
| 23:36.16 | jpinx | !tell varney about etchnhalf |
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| 23:36.35 | almark1 | Btw I am using Etch, what is the better stable version other then etch? |
| 23:36.51 | varney | aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 i meant |
| 23:36.56 | jpinx | almark1: define "better" |
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| 23:37.02 | almark1 | more stable |
| 23:37.06 | varney | and i can't get alsa to work, but oss works ok it seems |
| 23:37.08 | almark1 | as stable as it gets |
| 23:37.23 | jpinx | almark1: lenny is the new stable |
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| 23:37.29 | almark1 | ah |
| 23:37.37 | jpinx | !tell almark1 about etch->lenny |
| 23:38.01 | almark1 | Now here is the other question, do you know where I can get a lenny 64studio version? |
| 23:38.02 | digitaloktay | hi |
| 23:38.07 | varney | jpinx: i'm using etch 4r7, i thought alsa worked in 4r3 for me but i could be mistaken |
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| 23:38.26 | digitaloktay | how can i change the language in midnight commander to german |
| 23:38.30 | khaije1_ | so i was running a mixed (lenny to sid) laptop. I installed the 2.6.28 package and on reboot it tells me the 'sd' driver needs to be updated even when i select the original kernel... what happened? |
| 23:38.38 | varney | i'm just wondering why the hd led is always semi-lit, and someone said they updated to .20 of the kernel and it was then ok |
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| 23:39.18 | katch | jpinx: run alsaconf |
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| 23:40.38 | varney | i can't use etch-and-half if it uses the lenny installer - i've tried to install lenny but it always hangs on hardware detection - besides, i want etch for development purposes |
| 23:40.54 | jpinx | !tell varney: about alsa |
| 23:40.54 | o_ | is it possible to install the unstable using netinst/buisnesscard or should i edit sources and dist-upgrade lenny to unstable? |
| 23:41.23 | jpinx | varney: etchnhalf does not use the lenny installer |
| 23:41.53 | jpinx | o_: you're probably better to install stable and upgrade |
| 23:42.41 | khaije1_ | also it generates a bunch of warnings about files in /etc/module.d/ missing a .config postfix , lol whats that about? |
| 23:42.49 | varney | jpinx: then why in gods name does it say "For new installations of etch-and-a-half the current release of Debian Installer for lenny is used, with minor changes for compatibility with etch." |
| 23:42.58 | o_ | jpinx, ok, thanks. are there any incompatibilities in their init systems? |
| 23:43.01 | khaije1_ | oh ya, didn't mention it's not fully booting |
| 23:43.03 | jpinx | !tell o_ about lenny->squeeze |
| 23:43.33 | jpinx | varney: from memory I just did a kernel upgrade |
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| 23:44.12 | varney | and i don't understand why all the etch-and-half installation is leading to debian 5 isos |
| 23:44.16 | jpinx | varney: why not upgrade to lenny? it's the new stable |
| 23:44.27 | varney | coz i can't install it that's why |
| 23:44.40 | varney | it refuses to move past hardware detection |
| 23:44.54 | varney | etch installs smoothly tho |
| 23:45.01 | varney | and etch is the one i'd prefer anyway |
| 23:45.02 | jpinx | varney: you got wierd hardware? |
| 23:45.06 | varney | dell e521 |
| 23:45.21 | varney | doesn't get any weirder |
| 23:45.25 | jpinx | hmm -- I'm no expert, but dell is common enough |
| 23:45.40 | adb | !dell |
| 23:45.40 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, the worst company you could ever do business with, crap, http://www.domsch.com/linux/, http://linux.dell.com/ |
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| 23:46.56 | jpinx | !tell varney about etchnhalf facts |
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| 23:47.32 | varney | and yet etch-and-a-half leads to the debian-5.00.iso why? |
| 23:47.42 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.58 | varney | adb that didn't work |
| 23:48.06 | varney | your msg |
| 23:48.06 | robert83a1 | hello, got debian 3.0r1 here, install apache libapache-mod-php4 php4 , and I have a problem /usr/lib/php is non exsitent, whereis php returns nothing... what is missing? |
| 23:48.07 | adb | what ? |
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| 23:48.22 | varney | using !tell - i got nothing in dpkg window |
| 23:48.44 | varney | !tell varney about etch and migrate than to lenny |
| 23:48.48 | jpinx | varney: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 23:48.50 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.54 | \amethyst | varney: yes, you use the lenny installer and select etchnhalf |
| 23:48.55 | simonrvn | then to |
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| 23:49.53 | varney | \amethyst: within the installation pages? |
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| 23:50.14 | varney | maybe i never even got far enough in lenny to even see that option |
| 23:50.18 | jpinx | robert83a1: I believe your debian version is too old for support now |
| 23:50.19 | \amethyst | varney: add suite=etch at the boot menu |
| 23:50.20 | varney | which i assume is where it is |
| 23:50.28 | varney | oh |
| 23:50.29 | robert83a1 | ok, sorry |
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| 23:50.52 | jpinx | robert83a1: I suggest you upgrade at lkeast to etch |
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| 23:50.56 | varney | so suite=etch makes lenny install etch-and-a-half? |
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| 23:51.57 | varney | i just want to be clear on thid |
| 23:51.59 | varney | *this |
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| 23:52.26 | Avatar_ | valdyn, i want user mod_perl for my debian 5.10, apache misses mod_perl.so, ist it not by default ? |
| 23:53.03 | varney | so YES or NO? |
| 23:53.18 | varney | or do i have to beat somebody to get an answer |
| 23:53.23 | varney | :P |
| 23:53.34 | jpinx | sorry varney - I don't know |
| 23:53.36 | \amethyst | varney: yes, at least for the businesscard and netboot images, and presumably for the netinst too... there is a separate etchnhalf netinst for amd64 and i386, though |
| 23:53.45 | \amethyst | varney: and then you won't need to supply the boot option |
| 23:53.50 | Avatar_ | or somebody else :) |
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| 23:54.10 | \amethyst | varney: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf under 'netinst CD image' |
| 23:54.32 | d-b | Avatar_: perhaps its not enababled by default. (personally id hope it wasn't) |
| 23:54.32 | varney | ah, i was wondering why it says deb-5.00.iso in the installers |
| 23:54.35 | d-b | and its debian 5.00 |
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| 23:55.04 | Avatar_ | d-b, how can i install the correct one ? |
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| 23:55.13 | d-b | Avatar_: let me have a look |
| 23:55.20 | Avatar_ | k d-b |
| 23:55.44 | d-b | try getting libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 23:56.00 | Avatar_ | k i try |
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| 23:57.42 | Avatar_ | mom plz d-b |
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| 23:58.34 | Avatar_ | you are great d-b |
| 23:58.36 | Avatar_ | :) |
| 23:59.05 | Avatar_ | do you know Image::Magick? |
| 23:59.19 | Avatar_ | cant install it, but perlmagick ist uptodate |
