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| 00:00.58 | icebrain | what's that program that saves a compilation cache to improve recompilation speed? |
| 00:01.04 | dondelelcaro | icebrain: ccache |
| 00:01.17 | icebrain | dondelelcaro: thanks, that's right |
| 00:01.56 | res22 | Happy st paddys day everyone |
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| 00:02.50 | rerushg | paddy-ho!!! |
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| 00:06.30 | n-iCe | hello, is there any package for Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 220BG ? |
| 00:07.07 | n-iCe | Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG * |
| 00:07.15 | valdyn | n-iCe: its already suspported, you miss firmware |
| 00:07.45 | n-iCe | valdyn: awesome, how can I install that firmware, is it on the disc? |
| 00:07.47 | themill | !ipw2200 |
| 00:07.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915 802.11a/bg chipsets (http://ipw2200.sf.net/) included in kernels since 2.6.15. Firmware is required. Lenny: Add <non-free sources> and install the 'firmware-ipw2x00' package. Etch: Download firmware v3.0 from http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and extract to /lib/firmware. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 00:08.14 | n-iCe | firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 00:08.20 | valdyn | judd: versions firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 00:08.20 | judd | valdyn: firmware-ipw2x00 -- lenny/non-free: 0.14 sid/non-free: 0.14 squeeze/non-free: 0.14 |
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| 00:13.13 | foetus | how can i set the global gcc flags ? (not in profile) |
| 00:13.32 | valdyn | foetus: why would you do that? |
| 00:13.44 | valdyn | foetus: to break things? |
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| 00:16.18 | foetus | valdyn: no, how :) |
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| 00:17.41 | jelly-home | foetus: no, why |
| 00:18.11 | themill | It's called a "Makefile"... |
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| 00:19.31 | jelly-home | foetus: there really is a global gcc options file, but you usually really don't want to mess with it. So, what are you tryting to accomplish by messing with it? |
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| 00:20.27 | surfdue | Hello! |
| 00:20.47 | surfdue | I run cpanel and it puts all user domains in the home dir, they can level 1 up and see all user dir's there, how can i fix this? |
| 00:21.05 | dondelelcaro | surfdue: that's normal |
| 00:21.27 | dondelelcaro | surfdue: you could make /home o-x, but it wouldn't gain you much |
| 00:21.31 | surfdue | but they can see how many clients we have what the domains are etc |
| 00:21.50 | surfdue | there is no way to hide this or say permission denied |
| 00:21.50 | dondelelcaro | surfdue: that's why you don't give shell accounts out to people |
| 00:21.52 | surfdue | unless they are root |
| 00:22.05 | surfdue | we may give them out so im trying to get a fix mister |
| 00:22.05 | surfdue | :] |
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| 00:22.54 | stew | surfdue: and probably if you make the home directories readonly then their mail and apache stops working until you do more |
| 00:22.55 | dondelelcaro | surfdue: the typical solution is to shove them into a chroot'ed shell which is COW or similar, and only has their home directory in it |
| 00:23.29 | stew | err not readonly, i meant, readable only by owner |
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| 00:24.22 | dondelelcaro | plus, anyone who wanted could still run getent passwd; and still see the whole set of accounts on the system |
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| 00:25.01 | Frijolie | anyone 133t enough to help me change volume name on an external USB drive? |
| 00:25.06 | foetus | jelly-home: i 'd like to set my global cflags for the platform, whats wrong with that ? |
| 00:25.13 | Frijolie | volume name = volume label |
| 00:25.41 | adama | Frijolie: tune2fs |
| 00:25.48 | surfdue | is it save dondelelcaro |
| 00:25.52 | surfdue | can they modify the files |
| 00:25.53 | surfdue | or just see |
| 00:26.09 | jelly-home | foetus: what's wrong with a simple makefile? |
| 00:26.12 | foetus | jelly-home: at the mooment i have placed them into /etc/environment, but this should not be forever.. |
| 00:26.24 | simonrvn | ... |
| 00:26.38 | jetscreamer | waves@ppl |
| 00:26.42 | Frijolie | adama, well here's the thing. I've been experimenting with mtools and it's reported that the volume label is correct on the device but it's getting mounted as something else |
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| 00:27.00 | simonrvn | hi jetscreamer |
| 00:27.03 | Frijolie | adama, the filesystem on the device is FAT32 |
| 00:27.06 | dondelelcaro | surfdue: depends on the permissions |
| 00:27.14 | dondelelcaro | surfdue: by default, they can only see them |
| 00:27.18 | jelly-home | foetus: _why_ do you want it? There's usually no reason to set things up that way, and it's a long way from being portable and best practice |
| 00:27.28 | foetus | jelly-home: i have to compile a few more things than a makefile.. :) |
| 00:27.42 | foetus | jelly-home: funny |
| 00:28.13 | jetscreamer | jely is serious, and knows his shit so he's not trying to fux wid j00 |
| 00:28.14 | adama | Frijolie: I don't know then |
| 00:28.47 | dondelelcaro | foetus: uh... so you set them in the shell(s) that you're compiling? or you change how you call make? |
| 00:28.56 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: nah, I don't know much about gcc, I've just never seen anyone want to mess with its settings for the whole system |
| 00:28.58 | dondelelcaro | it's not like altering how things are compiled is particularly complex |
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| 00:29.32 | dondelelcaro | (and generally, wanting to set things like CFLAGS for packages blindly indicates that you're not thinking carefully about what you're doing) |
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| 00:29.40 | karsten | dondelelcaro: -F UNROLL_LOOPS |
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| 00:29.59 | dondelelcaro | karsten: precisely |
| 00:30.03 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 00:30.34 | karsten | http://funroll-loops.info/ for anyone not in on the joke. |
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| 00:31.22 | foetus | had you ever compiled a system ? |
| 00:31.36 | simonrvn | have you? |
| 00:31.38 | jelly-home | a... system? |
| 00:31.55 | foetus | a few :) |
| 00:31.55 | jetscreamer | lfs? |
| 00:31.59 | jelly-home | foetus: what are you really trying to do? |
| 00:32.03 | Frijolie | adama, FRAK! |
| 00:32.06 | merlincorey | foetus: yes we've all compiled many systems. The word system has lots of meanings. Please be more specific. |
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| 00:32.14 | simonrvn | (i'm assuming s/he means rebuild from scratch) |
| 00:32.29 | merlincorey | (i'm assuming it means stage 1 that getoo doesn't even do anymore) |
| 00:32.31 | jelly-home | assumes nothing |
| 00:32.35 | jetscreamer | lfs with selinux |
| 00:32.47 | J-_ | azeem: cool, thanks. |
| 00:32.55 | foetus | merlincorey: right, sorry for the rudeness. |
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| 00:33.56 | jetscreamer | continues to guess wildly what foetus is doing, but offline |
| 00:34.30 | macman | im trying to find out the best distro to use ... currently im on ubuntu but i wanted to see if debian can help out if so i will switch to debian ... i have a laptop that has a nvdia Quadro FX 3500 card and it is dispensing 80 watts .. there any kind of kernal hack or anything i can do to save my battery or prolong its life ? |
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| 00:34.41 | jelly-home | goes to do something more productive, like watch a crappy late night movie |
| 00:34.50 | karsten | !tell macman about best |
| 00:34.55 | karsten | !tell macman about why debian |
| 00:34.57 | jetscreamer | macman: maybe #nvidia |
| 00:34.58 | simonrvn | continues to heal himself |
| 00:35.09 | beardy | karsten lives. |
| 00:35.16 | pgs | jetscreamer: what about selinux? |
| 00:35.26 | J-_ | macman: ReiserFS Filesystem. |
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| 00:35.31 | kroddnoMobil | macman: do you already have the proprietary nvidia drivers installed? |
| 00:35.32 | jetscreamer | just guessing wildly what foetus is doing, pgs |
| 00:35.34 | karsten | beardy: Actually, I'm just a shell script |
| 00:35.35 | macman | J-_, what do you mean ? |
| 00:35.35 | pgs | ok |
| 00:35.41 | beardy | karsten: A small one? |
| 00:35.51 | karsten | beardy: Of course. |
| 00:35.56 | beardy | karsten: Hehe |
| 00:36.01 | karsten | beardy: And *very* simple. |
| 00:36.23 | J-_ | macman: I know someone who uses RFS on their laptop to conserve battery power. It makes the disc slower. Better for smaller files, etc.. |
| 00:36.34 | surfdue | if php is running in fast cgi mode and php is running cgi, does anyone know how to determine which one gets used |
| 00:36.37 | macman | is that an app ? J-_ |
| 00:36.45 | J-_ | facepalms |
| 00:36.46 | dondelelcaro | uh... I wouldn't use rieserfs unless you didn't value your data |
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| 00:37.03 | Debian|AMD64 | hello |
| 00:37.09 | Debian|AMD64 | is anyone around? |
| 00:37.12 | dondelelcaro | Debian|AMD64: no |
| 00:37.14 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Or wife. |
| 00:37.27 | jelly-home | hur hur. |
| 00:37.28 | Debian|AMD64 | dondelelcaro, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 00:37.30 | sylarstein | say, if I put /boot on a differnt disk, do I still put it inside a /boot/ directory? |
| 00:37.37 | dondelelcaro | Debian|AMD64: what about it? |
| 00:37.37 | Debian|AMD64 | is that sid or etch? |
| 00:37.39 | karsten | sylarstein: yes |
| 00:37.40 | sylarstein | do I mount it on /boot or on / ? |
| 00:37.47 | Debian|AMD64 | it looks like sid because it's a daily build |
| 00:37.52 | Debian|AMD64 | but the filename says testing |
| 00:37.53 | karsten | sylarstein: Rather, the mountpoint for that disk is /boot. |
| 00:37.54 | Debian|AMD64 | which is etch |
| 00:38.00 | dondelelcaro | Debian|AMD64: no, testing is squeeze |
| 00:38.05 | Debian|AMD64 | o_O |
| 00:38.07 | dondelelcaro | Debian|AMD64: etch is oldstable |
| 00:38.16 | dondelelcaro | (you're about 3 years out of date) |
| 00:38.28 | Debian|AMD64 | what about woody and sarge? |
| 00:38.37 | sylarstein | karsten, isn't mounting on /boot, a disk that has a /boot/ dir supposed to result in a /boot/boot? |
| 00:38.39 | dondelelcaro | Debian|AMD64: those are archived releases |
| 00:38.42 | Debian|AMD64 | whatever, at least sid stays the same, I only use sid anyway |
| 00:38.45 | karsten | !tell Debian|AMD64 about releases |
| 00:38.50 | Debian|AMD64 | :( |
| 00:38.57 | Debian|AMD64 | hits dondelelcaro with a cluebat |
| 00:39.01 | karsten | sylarstein: Which was why I clarified. |
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| 00:39.12 | simonrvn | Debian|AMD64: you're the one needing a clue |
| 00:39.15 | Debian|AMD64 | but anyway, is that sid? |
| 00:39.19 | dondelelcaro | Debian|AMD64: no, it's not. |
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| 00:39.33 | dondelelcaro | Debian|AMD64: if you want to install unstable, use the lenny d-i images and upgrade. |
| 00:39.41 | karsten | sylarstein: /boot becomes a directory on your root FS. Your boot partition is a subdirectory of that. Unless you've got some perverse reason for doing so, no need for /boot/boot |
| 00:39.45 | Debian|AMD64 | can you lenny? |
| 00:39.50 | dondelelcaro | Debian|AMD64: and you could at least *read* where it says "These images will install the testing version of Debian, currently Squeeze." |
| 00:39.54 | Debian|AMD64 | I hate these ridiculous names |
| 00:39.59 | karsten | Debian|AMD64: Suggest you not cluebat the op and bot maintainer. |
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| 00:40.40 | dondelelcaro | Debian|AMD64: that's fine, but it's what the releases are called. You can talk about stable, testing, and unstable if you want. |
| 00:40.51 | sylarstein | I dont get a boot screen ::/ |
| 00:40.56 | Debian|AMD64 | I always just do a netinst with unstable |
| 00:41.07 | Debian|AMD64 | I'm just trying to find the latest build of unstable |
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| 00:42.07 | simonrvn | so go do it |
| 00:42.07 | dondelelcaro | Debian|AMD64: there isn't such a thing. You can install unstable directly using some media, but you're always better off installing and upgrading. |
| 00:42.07 | dondelelcaro | since unstable changes constantly, no one bothers to make images of it. |
| 00:42.07 | Debian|AMD64 | why? |
| 00:42.07 | simonrvn | he just said why |
| 00:42.07 | karsten | sylarstein: Check that your GRUB is properly configured and installed. |
| 00:42.35 | sylarstein | karsten, I made a mdadm raid1 and copied my /boot to it |
| 00:42.54 | sylarstein | karsten, on the normal disk it works, on that boot partition not |
| 00:43.01 | simonrvn | why? |
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| 00:58.00 | funyun | anyone know of a photoshop help server/channel? |
| 00:58.22 | foetus | for linux? |
| 00:58.29 | karsten | funyun: http://www.adobe.com |
| 00:58.56 | elik | funyun, ever heard of gimp? |
| 00:59.23 | funyun | elik: no |
| 00:59.43 | karsten | funyun: aptitude install gimp |
| 00:59.50 | elik | funyun, it's linux's photoshop |
| 00:59.55 | karsten | funyun: photo editing tool for Linux. |
| 00:59.55 | elik | free photoshop should I say |
| 01:00.05 | elik | And free as in freedom, not free as in free beer |
| 01:00.20 | elik | -- Richard Stallman |
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| 01:00.51 | funyun | atm i only have a mac. PS is already installed. can i install gimp on a mac? |
| 01:01.37 | foetus | nah, you compare apples with pears -- nothing aginst gimp, but its definitly not a photoshop. they know, what they do at adobe. |
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| 01:02.02 | elik | funyun, hum, before anyone else say it more rudely, it's kinda strange to ask photoshop support on a debian channel when you run a mac... |
| 01:02.10 | foetus | however, gimp is a nice program. |
| 01:02.34 | funyun | foetus: are you familiar at all with PS? |
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| 01:02.43 | abrotman | this channel is for Debian support ... |
| 01:02.51 | simonrvn | i like gimp better than PS </ot> |
| 01:02.56 | funyun | elik: i run linux aswel. just not at home atm |
| 01:03.01 | foetus | im working with it for years. |
| 01:03.07 | elik | funyun, work on that :) |
| 01:03.13 | Mousey | i liek pie |
| 01:03.17 | elik | then you can use Gimp, it's wonderful |
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| 01:03.31 | foetus | but im working with gimp too. |
| 01:03.35 | rue_house | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.40 | simonrvn | Mousey: so do i |
| 01:03.57 | elik | rue_house, cat? |
| 01:04.21 | rue_house | for .au and .wav files? |
| 01:04.27 | elik | rue_house, raw files though |
| 01:04.40 | rue_house | no I said I have .au and .wav files |
| 01:04.57 | elik | rue_house, if you have a mic: cat /dev/dsp >file; cat file >/dev/dsp |
| 01:04.58 | simonrvn | .au files will run with cat.... |
| 01:05.13 | rue_house | I already have the files, I want t play them |
| 01:05.14 | elik | I'd think .wav would as well... anyway, give it a try |
| 01:05.22 | elik | otherwise, have some ffmpeg fun |
| 01:05.32 | rue_house | I was playing them, then someone added 'play' to sox, and delated the package I was using |
| 01:05.38 | karsten | simonrvn: Don't au files play upside down in the northern hemisphere? |
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| 01:05.59 | simonrvn | *bam-dum-tssh* |
| 01:06.06 | elik | rue_house, mplayer might be able to do it too... but I wouldn't know how to have it use /dev/dps2 |
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| 01:06.17 | foetus | btw, i need an pdf viewer for the console -- |
| 01:06.19 | rue_house | yea I also said low overhead |
| 01:06.27 | simonrvn | karsten: backwards too |
| 01:06.29 | rue_house | I need a really simple command line progr... |
| 01:06.33 | elik | rue_house, then make cat work |
| 01:06.39 | elik | it's as low overhead as it gets |
| 01:06.56 | rue_house | this is a reminder why I dont do upgrades |
| 01:06.56 | karsten | elik: false :) |
| 01:07.01 | rue_house | I get screwed every time |
| 01:07.16 | foetus | is there some way, to view pdf in the terminal? with ghostscript? |
| 01:07.23 | elik | rue_house, it's not as if it could happen by accident... |
| 01:07.27 | karsten | elik: AFAIK, false and true are about the lowest overhead programs there are. |
| 01:07.38 | elik | karsten, for playing music |
| 01:07.46 | funyun | foetus: ya get my PM? |
| 01:07.48 | rue_house | I really want to know what package my old progrm was for |
| 01:07.55 | rue_house | play -d /dev/dsp2 cuckoo.au cuckoo.au cuckoo.au cuckoo.au cuckoo.au cuckoo.au cuckoo.au |
| 01:08.04 | karsten | elik: Workes for 4'33" |
| 01:08.13 | elik | karsten, ?? |
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| 01:08.21 | karsten | elik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4â²33â³ |
| 01:08.27 | abrotman | karsten: that's not funny |
| 01:08.33 | karsten | abrotman: :) |
| 01:08.38 | karsten | abrotman: false |
| 01:08.45 | abrotman | karsten: he still might not get it |
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| 01:09.07 | foetus | funyun: what does it mean.. |
| 01:09.07 | elik | I indeed don't |
| 01:09.22 | foetus | :) |
| 01:09.27 | karsten | elik: read the wikipedia article. |
| 01:09.43 | funyun | foetus: private message |
| 01:10.02 | rue_house | was there a program called play in the alsa stuff? |
| 01:10.07 | rue_house | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2004-02/2876.html |
| 01:10.10 | elik | karsten, quick glimpse didn't point to anything obvious... I'll dive a bit more -_- (it better be good, there's a build up here) |
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| 01:10.36 | funyun | foetus: or query. not sure what it's called on irc. i'm a noob |
| 01:10.41 | elik | rue_house, why don't you explain your needs rather than a very pointy question always bringing us back to this play stuff? |
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| 01:11.19 | elik | karsten, abrotman, ok, I get it, it ain't bad |
| 01:11.20 | rue_house | cause I have a bunch of scripts that use the program play with the paramiter -d /dev/dsp and I want them to work without me having to go modify them all, I'm really peeved off |
| 01:11.29 | elik | I guess 4'33" is the lightest player |
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| 01:11.45 | elik | rue_house, lazyness will kill you |
| 01:11.45 | karsten | elik: 4'33" is a musical composition. |
| 01:11.51 | elik | rue_house, rewrite play |
| 01:11.54 | rue_house | http://osdir.com/ml/linux.redhat.sound/2003-06/msg00011.html <-- I want to know what package this program is from |
| 01:11.58 | elik | karsten, yeah yeah, I got that |
| 01:12.08 | elik | rue_house, learn apt-cache search |
| 01:12.10 | karsten | elik: It's infinitely compatible with any player, so long as it's capapble of zero output. |
| 01:12.13 | elik | rue_house, or aptitude search |
| 01:12.22 | rue_house | I have apt-cache searched and apt-file searched and I cant find it |
| 01:12.27 | foetus | but pdf in the console --wouldn't be bad.. |
| 01:12.28 | rue_house | the only 'play' is from sox |
| 01:12.33 | elik | karsten, cat /dev/null >/dev/dsp :P |
| 01:12.43 | karsten | rue_house: "play" is a sox command, yeah. |
| 01:12.55 | rue_house | is it also a old alsa command? |
| 01:13.07 | abrotman | there is aplay |
| 01:13.12 | rue_house | cause the current sox 'play' is completely incompatible with the pages I'v posted |
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| 01:13.24 | rue_house | there is another program called play |
| 01:14.44 | karsten | rue_house: No doubt. In debian however binary conflicts are managed by /etc/alternatives. |
| 01:14.59 | karsten | rue_house: I'm not awarye of another "play" w/in Debian though. |
| 01:15.14 | rue_house | http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg11044.html |
| 01:15.21 | rue_house | there it is again |
| 01:15.24 | karsten | rue_house: There's a new xmms front-end that includes a commandline client. |
| 01:15.29 | rue_house | this is driving me up the wall |
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| 01:16.47 | rue_house | can I list the files in a package without installing it? |
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| 01:17.23 | abrotman | !tell rue_house about apt-file |
| 01:17.25 | simonrvn | rue_house: aplay |
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| 01:18.38 | rue_house | simonrvn, ok, must be getting close |
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| 01:18.50 | rue_house | I know about apt-file |
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| 01:19.02 | macman | J-_, the ReiserFS .. that was for a laptop correct ? |
| 01:19.05 | abrotman | so why did you ask ? |
| 01:19.16 | macman | debian have live cd's ? |
| 01:19.22 | rue_house | I know how to ask it what packages a file is found in |
| 01:19.29 | rue_house | I need to know what files are in a package |
| 01:19.45 | rudle-laptop | i have a drive that fails fsck at boot, but not when i run it from the prompt. what does this mean? |
| 01:20.02 | rerushg | rue_house> just search deb packages here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages .... at bottom of page |
| 01:20.03 | rue_house | http://people.freebsd.org/~ariff/test/null/snd_null.4.txt |
| 01:20.06 | rue_house | ahaA!!!!!! |
| 01:20.16 | rue_house | sox new version is incompatible with its old version |
| 01:20.18 | abrotman | rerushg: try apt-file |
| 01:20.19 | rue_house | bastards |
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| 01:20.35 | abrotman | rudle-laptop: did you try the same optoins ? |
| 01:20.59 | rudle-laptop | abrotman: which options are those? |
| 01:20.59 | rerushg | abrotman: agreed... but didn't seem to be working for him :) |
| 01:21.24 | abrotman | rudle-laptop: when it fails, it tells you how to re-run fsck |
| 01:21.27 | rue_house | ok, why did they screw up sox |
| 01:21.31 | rue_house | damn |
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| 01:21.50 | simonrvn | !customer |
| 01:21.50 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
| 01:22.34 | elik | thx simonrvn |
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| 01:24.22 | elik | simonrvn, all that so he could avoid sed'ing his freakin scripts |
| 01:24.41 | simonrvn | O_o |
| 01:25.05 | simonrvn | *cough* VCS |
| 01:25.30 | magyar | anyone tried "testing" ? |
| 01:26.11 | magyar | it seems as 2.6.28 is in |
| 01:26.12 | simonrvn | no one has, even people who use it |
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| 01:30.01 | Mousey | magyar: i run unstable/testing/stable all at once |
| 01:30.02 | internets | hi, i want to set a server so that users can access it on vista clients with a sort of a "roaming profile" (windows speak) - users having the same setting regardless of which box they log from |
| 01:30.06 | Mousey | debian-the-rolling-upgrade-distro |
| 01:30.24 | internets | should i sue smb of nfs or what? |
| 01:30.28 | internets | use.... |
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| 01:30.38 | Mousey | internets: that could be a lot of work, but yah, Samba is ur package |
| 01:31.22 | Mousey | if you know how to do loginscripts, and net login stuff, that'll do roaming windows profiles.. caveat dolavi, however, i don't know how easy it'll be to get right.. also LDAP/Active Directory is your friend |
| 01:31.50 | internets | LDAP? |
| 01:32.18 | trentster | Hey all, How do I stop mail to root@localhost its messing up my postfix stats, it seems to be triggered every time a cron job is fired.....??? |
| 01:32.22 | internets | googling... |
| 01:32.28 | abrotman | internets: did you google for this ? |
| 01:32.56 | internets | i'm googling for ldap |
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| 01:33.36 | SerajewelKS | zomg blowfish148 |
| 01:33.48 | trentster | anyone? |
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| 01:34.55 | abrotman | internets: google "samba pdc vista" .. see if that gets you anywhere |
| 01:34.56 | internets | abrotman, from google my impression was that NFS is usually recommended for "roaming profiles" |
| 01:35.07 | internets | rather than smb |
| 01:35.09 | abrotman | i can't believe that |
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| 01:35.33 | abrotman | internets: you'd have to install the nfs client on your win32 machines |
| 01:35.55 | internets | no problem - vista has that support now |
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| 01:42.27 | tac_ | can anyone please give me a directory to debian's booting kernel and initrd ? |
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| 01:43.03 | tac_ | I can't boot it now without knowing the exact name, I am on debian lenny release |
| 01:43.32 | sylarstein | tac_, |
| 01:43.38 | sylarstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.43 | tac_ | yes |
| 01:44.01 | liable | the hd-media kernel? |
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| 01:44.09 | sylarstein | it is all in /boot |
| 01:44.18 | tac_ | sylarstein: and then? |
| 01:44.27 | liable | not if he downloaded it somewhere else.. |
| 01:44.59 | sylarstein | tac_, and then there are initrd.* and vmlinuz* |
| 01:45.00 | asilva | hoal a todos vehan un incribel video sobre ufo del mar : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3wPjXLdj6A&eurl=http://www.cubbrasil.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1951&Itemid=110 |
| 01:45.05 | liable | tac_: what exactly are you doing? how did you get the kernel and initrd? and how are you trying to boot it? |
| 01:45.05 | tac_ | liable: I guess it is, I am just installing from the net iso, and after reboot I got into grub |
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| 01:45.33 | liable | tac_: so you have done the install, and now it wont boot? |
| 01:45.47 | abrotman | asilva: stop spamming here |
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| 01:46.06 | tac_ | liable: yes, because I want to install a dual system with Solaris and debian |
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| 01:46.40 | sylarstein | tac_, you can change things in grub by pressing e over the option |
| 01:47.05 | liable | tac_: what happens when you try to boot? you have two seperate disks? |
| 01:47.15 | sylarstein | tac_, usually if it is not the right harddisk you change from /dev/sda1 to /dev/sdb1 or something like that |
| 01:47.27 | asilva | abrotman, escuse-me |
| 01:47.32 | abrotman | no excuse |
| 01:47.35 | kinja-sheep | I'm curious. Acer Aspire One -- Is that alpha, amd64, arm, armel, hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mispell, powerpc, sparc? I only can assume at least i386? |
| 01:47.44 | liable | yes |
| 01:47.47 | kinja-sheep | It's the netbook. Small. :) |
| 01:47.52 | asilva | abrotman, excuse |
| 01:47.56 | sylarstein | tac_, also there is the (hd0,0) or something like that so you can try to change that too |
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| 01:48.43 | tac_ | liable, sylarstein: I am arriving at the right disk, my concern is debian's grub can't recognize solaris partition in Part1 |
| 01:49.02 | tac_ | try booting with explicitly telling grub where the kernel is |
| 01:49.08 | liable | tac_: so debian boots ok? |
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| 01:50.08 | sylarstein | tac_, I don't know solaris, so I don't know where their kernel is |
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| 01:51.19 | tac_ | the problem is, though as sylarstein said, kernel is under /boot I dont know the exact of their name |
| 01:51.27 | tac_ | dying :) |
| 01:51.34 | liable | grub has tab completion |
| 01:51.52 | tac_ | liable: Do you know the full name or is there a way to check it under grub? |
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| 01:52.57 | liable | you havent explained the layout or the exact problem, and didnt answer my questions that could have helped me understand, so i have no idea. |
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| 01:54.18 | sylarstein | tac_, I have this if it helps: |
| 01:54.21 | sylarstein | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-amd64 root=/dev/sda1 ro |
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| 01:55.05 | pickcoder | tac_: grub has a file locating tool in the command prompt |
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| 01:56.25 | tac_ | pickcoder: how using it ? |
| 01:56.44 | tac_ | sylarstein: You're very kind, thanks, but it doesn't help :) |
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| 01:56.47 | simonrvn | liable mentioned it 2 min ago |
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| 01:57.41 | sylarstein | :) |
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| 02:14.21 | abrotman | stew: tomaw ^^^ if you're awake |
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| 02:15.33 | liable | abrotman: did they deop you? |
| 02:15.46 | abrotman | liable: i can't k-line, and he's already gone |
| 02:16.05 | liable | is stew an ircop now too? |
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| 02:16.13 | abrotman | liable: /whois |
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| 02:16.53 | liable | oh |
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| 02:22.25 | zhangweiwu | Hello quick question: can nfs have cache? I am going to work in customer office in 3 hours and I know I am going to suffer from slowness in that place. Sometimes I open an image to edit, take 3 min to load it through gimp; and when I close & save it, next time it still take 3 min to load (should be 0 min if there is cache). |
| 02:22.44 | zhangweiwu | I am a web designer and want nfs cache all the images once I accessed them. |
| 02:23.23 | zhangweiwu | nfsv4 |
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| 02:24.19 | zhangweiwu | maybe I should use a cached network file system like afs or coda. |
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| 02:25.30 | Drakeson | do you know when texlive2008 arrive in sid? |
| 02:26.20 | liable | Drakeson: try filing a wishlist bug |
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| 02:28.44 | schoppenhauer | I have a problem in debian sid x86: tinyproxy is not compiled with socks-support per default and when I try to build the package myself with socks, I get the error that no socks-lib is installed. but I cannot install libsocksd0-dev, because it depends on a package libsocksd, which is not available. there are no bugs listed, and I am not sure whether this is a bug. libsocksd is only available for kfreebsd-x86 and amd64. |
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| 02:33.43 | DaveQB | Anyone know how to search/list a specific repository? apt/debian. |
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| 02:33.56 | abrotman | search for what? |
| 02:34.00 | DaveQB | packages |
| 02:34.14 | DaveQB | So I want to list what is in http://some/repo/ |
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| 02:34.15 | abrotman | get the Packages file and use grep ? |
| 02:34.22 | DaveQB | assuming thats in my sources.list |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | i assume it's not in your sources or you wouldn't be asking ? |
| 02:34.31 | _abc_ | hi all |
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| 02:34.35 | abrotman | then why wouldn't you just `apt-cache search foo` ? |
| 02:34.43 | DaveQB | No is it, but just want to list whats in that repository only |
| 02:34.52 | cire | I am new to auth mechanisms. What is the main difference between PAM and SASL? (first I thought they would do the same job). Is it correct, that PAM is a kind of "frontend" to many auth mechanisms? What does SASL then? |
| 02:34.54 | _abc_ | has anyone got a clue what debian libpng package needs to be upgraded acc. to libpng bug report yesterday in bugtraq ? |
| 02:35.01 | DaveQB | So if you add a new repo and you want to see all thats in there |
| 02:35.17 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.19 | DaveQB | cire: correct, PAM is Pluggable :) |
| 02:35.28 | abrotman | DaveQB: look at the stuf in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 02:35.30 | cire | so, why SASL then? |
| 02:36.06 | _abc_ | also, normally, any libXX.so with +x when executed should print its version. wrong ?! because libc does this but libpng segfaults |
| 02:36.13 | _abc_ | what gives ?! |
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| 02:37.35 | cire | So, using PAM with LDAP as backend is the same as using SASL with PAM as mechanism, when PAM is configured to let SASL auth via LDAP? |
| 02:37.40 | cire | Sorry for my bad english |
| 02:38.02 | schoppenhauer | I have a problem in debian sid x86: tinyproxy is not compiled with socks-support per default and when I try to build the package myself with socks, I get the error that no socks-lib is installed. but I cannot install libsocksd0-dev, because it depends on a package libsocksd, which is not available. there are no bugs listed, and I am not sure whether this is a bug. libsocksd is only available for kfreebsd-x86 and amd64. |
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| 02:38.28 | _abc_ | guys, according to bugtraq if you have libpng < 1.2.35 you are vulnerable to an exploit. DOES ANYONE CARE ? |
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| 02:38.47 | _abc_ | make that <= |
| 02:38.52 | _abc_ | 1.2.35 |
| 02:39.04 | sterna | hi, i have issues with md resync on 2.6.26 |
| 02:39.21 | DaveQB | abrotman: I have been hinted at there is a command for list this though. |
| 02:39.34 | abrotman | DaveQB: grep-dctrl maybe ? |
| 02:39.36 | DaveQB | abrotman: thanks though, I can grep/cat that at least |
| 02:39.38 | sterna | is it likely lenny will ship a kernel update soon? |
| 02:39.44 | sterna | apparently, this is fixed in 2.6.28 |
| 02:39.44 | abrotman | sterna: probably not |
| 02:39.56 | abrotman | sterna: maybe via backports.org |
| 02:40.34 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 02:40.35 | judd | abrotman: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-2~snapshot.12850); sid: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-1); squeeze: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); lenny: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 02:40.53 | Drakeson | liable: turns out that numerous people have filed wishlists for texlive2008. I guess I have to wait for it to come out someday :( |
| 02:41.08 | schoppenhauer | is there any possibility to get libsocks-developer-files on debian? |
| 02:41.12 | squisher | abrotman, funny, I don't see 2.6.28 in sid |
| 02:41.26 | liable | Drakeson: unfortunately :( |
| 02:41.44 | squisher | ugh, now I do - I swear, I didn't like 10min ago :-\ |
| 02:41.44 | sterna | how can i fetch just sid's kernel? |
| 02:41.46 | _abc_ | abrotman: your opinion on libpng <= 1.2.35 being exploitable *remotely* (think viewing website containing png picture with browser) |
| 02:41.57 | sterna | i really don't want to pull everything up to testing |
| 02:42.07 | _abc_ | Drakeson: what is texlive2008 ? TeX on live cd ? |
| 02:42.18 | liable | sterna: you can just download the deb and install it |
| 02:42.24 | abrotman | _abc_: isn't that old ? |
| 02:42.38 | _abc_ | abrotman: well, how does one check one's version ?! |
| 02:42.41 | abrotman | _abc_: you probably want to contact the security team if that's the case |
| 02:42.48 | abrotman | _abc_: you want to check the changelog, not the version |
| 02:43.10 | _abc_ | i tried to +x the libpng.so and exec it as i can with libc.so and get a version. i got a segfault instead. libc execs fine and shows version |
| 02:43.11 | sterna | liable: thanks |
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| 02:43.42 | _abc_ | abrotman: i can't believe i'm the only one who noticed this, either that or the release is ancient |
| 02:44.27 | surfdue | how can i watch a command like the command is "root 22545 0.0 0.0 4192 648 pts/5 S+ 10:11 0:00 grep easyapache " how do i make it so i can monitor it |
| 02:44.39 | abrotman | surfdue: 'watch' |
| 02:44.57 | abrotman | _abc_: you must be the smartest person in the world |
| 02:45.10 | abrotman | surfdue: monitor it for what? |
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| 02:45.30 | _abc_ | abrotman: so, what's the right way to get a lib.so 's version ?! the howtos say execute it, and libc works fine like this, but many other libs don't, they segfault. huh? |
| 02:45.48 | Drakeson | _abc_: the default distribution of tex in debian. yes, it is based on the "TeX on a live CD" project. |
| 02:45.56 | abrotman | _abc_: ls -l ? |
| 02:46.06 | _abc_ | abrotman: i am the last-to-most-stupidest person in the world but i tend to read bugtraq and howtos and ask the stupid questions *after* that |
| 02:46.19 | abrotman | last to most ? |
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| 02:46.57 | _abc_ | abrotman: ls -l shows libpng12.so and libpng.so |
| 02:47.00 | _abc_ | abrotman: end-1 |
| 02:47.33 | _abc_ | Drakeson: thanks, i will check this out |
| 02:47.36 | simonrvn | _abc_: that's fricking normal... |
| 02:47.43 | abrotman | $ ls -l /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 |
| 02:47.43 | abrotman | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2008-10-10 18:57 /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 -> libpng12.so.0.27.0 |
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| 02:47.58 | _abc_ | abrotman: is 12 12 or 1.2 ?! |
| 02:47.58 | sterna | hmm, apparently, there's no 2.6.28 xen kernel in sid |
| 02:48.14 | _abc_ | abrotman: by interpretation obviously |
| 02:48.17 | sterna | this probably means i'd have to compile it myself if i want to run it as dom0? |
| 02:48.29 | _abc_ | people who obfuscate versions ought to be flogged in public |
| 02:49.02 | _abc_ | simonrvn: what is frickin normal ? |
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| 02:49.21 | pickcoder | _abc_: just do apt-cache show <package> and the version tag |
| 02:49.26 | pickcoder | it's not that complicated |
| 02:49.34 | Drakeson | is there a command to show me the final non-symlink file a symlink points to? (e.g., I want to know which "alternative" is active at the moment, etc.) |
| 02:49.35 | pickcoder | s/and/and read |
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| 02:49.44 | simonrvn | people bitching about segfaulting libs |
| 02:49.48 | Tramp | _abc_: it seems to be in the making: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=512665 , if that's the bug you refer to |
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| 02:50.05 | abrotman | Tramp: what?! someone else noticed? |
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| 02:50.12 | simonrvn | OMG |
| 02:50.32 | antiPoP | Hi, it's possible to load an xorg session without showing it on teh screen |
| 02:50.36 | Tramp | abrotman: apparently some people really read bugtraq. I stopped about 5 years ago. |
| 02:50.47 | antiPoP | I mean, I have to load a page in ffox and take an screenshot of it |
| 02:50.55 | antiPoP | but from a remote server |
| 02:50.56 | antiPoP | via ssh... |
| 02:50.58 | abrotman | Tramp: it'd be better if it had a filter |
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| 02:51.21 | Tramp | abrotman: every patch being announced for every possible distro completely bloats it |
| 02:51.36 | abrotman | Tramp: right .. who cares about a patch for csh on SCO Unix :) |
| 02:51.44 | pickcoder | mm SCO |
| 02:51.49 | pickcoder | I got it running once... |
| 02:51.53 | _abc_ | simonrvn: OMG was meant as a joke ? |
| 02:52.01 | abrotman | i admined it for a bit ... |
| 02:52.03 | simonrvn | of course it was |
| 02:52.14 | pickcoder | poor abrotman.. |
| 02:52.21 | abrotman | pickcoder: you have no idea .. |
| 02:52.23 | pickcoder | the hardware drivers worked? |
| 02:52.24 | simonrvn | !comfort abrotman |
| 02:52.24 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:52.34 | abrotman | pickcoder: this was years ago |
| 02:52.38 | _abc_ | er, simonrvn would you like to participate in a proof of concept test, just to make sure that you are protected ? :) |
| 02:52.38 | simonrvn | no recursive grep ... |
| 02:52.41 | pickcoder | oh |
| 02:52.46 | sterna | hmph, 2.6.28 doesn't really help |
| 02:52.48 | simonrvn | _abc_: no |
| 02:52.49 | abrotman | *years* |
| 02:52.52 | pickcoder | my only curse was a trial go @ 5.0 |
| 02:53.05 | pickcoder | I gave up after 2 weeks of trying to get the nic to come up |
| 02:53.17 | sterna | is it normal that lenny just plays dead while syncing a raid-1 md ? |
| 02:53.20 | _abc_ | pickcoder: TWO WEEKS ? |
| 02:53.37 | pickcoder | sterna: syncing? you mean rebuilding? |
| 02:53.37 | sterna | would it help if i picked a different elevator? |
| 02:53.39 | sterna | yes |
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| 02:53.51 | pickcoder | well softRAID is all CPU |
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| 02:53.54 | sterna | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.57 | sterna | pickcoder: no it isn't |
| 02:54.00 | pickcoder | you can't expect a total rebuild to take 2 mins |
| 02:54.01 | _abc_ | sterna: it helps if the root fs is not on the raid ... |
| 02:54.07 | sterna | it isn't |
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| 02:54.15 | _abc_ | hm |
| 02:54.17 | sterna | and it really locks up, like, properly |
| 02:54.33 | sterna | with kernel faults due to 120+ seconds blocked tasks |
| 02:54.37 | _abc_ | well it should not really. tried to mount it ro while rebuilding ? |
| 02:54.47 | sterna | well, it's like this |
| 02:54.55 | _abc_ | imho it should not 'lock up'. |
| 02:54.59 | sterna | i have three md devices, one for /boot, one for / and one for LVM physical volume |
| 02:55.07 | sterna | the big one is 930GB |
| 02:55.12 | _abc_ | but it might block any processes that try to write to the raid |
| 02:55.22 | sterna | and the box is only dead while syncing that big one |
| 02:55.34 | pickcoder | sterna: are you in single user mode? |
| 02:55.38 | sterna | no |
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| 02:55.47 | sterna | but there's no other i/o tasks apart from mdX_resync |
| 02:56.10 | squisher | hi, has anyone had sound break on them recently in sid? |
| 02:56.16 | sterna | the only thing running is mdadm monitor and sshd |
| 02:56.27 | _abc_ | sterna: is your pwd on the raid when you launch the command ? did you try other consoles ? |
| 02:56.42 | sterna | the consoles are dead and no, my pwd isn't on the raid |
| 02:56.42 | _abc_ | oh, and HOME is on the 'big one' ? |
| 02:56.50 | sterna | there isn't even a filesystem on it yet |
| 02:56.56 | _abc_ | hmm |
| 02:57.09 | sterna | i do |
| 02:57.09 | sterna | lipvig:~# mdadm --create /dev/md2 --level=1 -n 2 /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb3 |
| 02:57.10 | _abc_ | perhaps try to run the rebuild command with nice |
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| 02:57.25 | sterna | this creates the md2 and schedules an initial sync |
| 02:57.29 | squisher | sound suddenly completely stopped working - I noticed pulseaudio got pulled in, purged it again, but sound is still gone |
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| 02:57.41 | sterna | which gets delayed until someone actually writes to the md device |
| 02:57.47 | sterna | then i do |
| 02:57.48 | sterna | lipvig:~# pvcreate -ff /dev/md2 |
| 02:57.57 | sterna | which should just write the LVM superblock |
| 02:57.58 | _abc_ | sterna: and when you do the other two devices this does not happen ? |
| 02:58.05 | sterna | and it does, and returns immediately |
| 02:58.11 | sterna | but this starts a sync |
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| 02:58.23 | sterna | and after that, every task blocks forever |
| 02:58.28 | _abc_ | sterna: strange, i am curious what this is |
| 02:58.40 | sterna | no, the other devices just resync and i can work normally while they do so |
| 02:58.47 | sterna | and they're on the same disks |
| 02:58.51 | schoppenhauer | I have a problem in debian sid x86: tinyproxy is not compiled with socks-support per default and when I try to build the package myself with socks, I get the error that no socks-lib is installed. but I cannot install libsocksd0-dev, because it depends on a package libsocksd, which is not available. there are no bugs listed, and I am not sure whether this is a bug. libsocksd is only available for kfreebsd-x86 and amd64. i tried to build |
| 02:58.53 | schoppenhauer | dante myself, but the packages generated do also have the dependency libsocksd which is not available. |
| 02:59.05 | _abc_ | sterna: did you try to run lsof on the devs involved just in case some forgotten automounter polls it or something ? |
| 02:59.21 | sterna | yes, but nothing's really running |
| 02:59.30 | _abc_ | sterna: perhaps hal or udevd is polling them ? |
| 02:59.33 | sterna | nope |
| 02:59.40 | _abc_ | strange situation |
| 02:59.54 | _abc_ | i am really curious what causes this |
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| 03:00.26 | sterna | udevd is running, but i'm quite certain it doesn't keep polling the md device so fast every task would block |
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| 03:00.44 | sterna | no, this has to be the kernel, because i get oops-like messages of tasks blocked for more than 120 seconds |
| 03:00.53 | sterna | which isn't normal |
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| 03:01.29 | sterna | i mean it's good i get kernel messages, because it's not normal that tasks can't run for that long |
| 03:01.49 | sterna | it's the same with 2.6.28 kernel, though |
| 03:01.56 | sterna | this must be something trivial |
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| 03:02.13 | sterna | i'll try and boot with elevator=cfq |
| 03:02.15 | _abc_ | sterna: sure but if ANY daemon uses ANY one of the devices involved then it will block. by device i likely mean the hw device (sda sdb etc) |
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| 03:02.30 | sterna | no but the resync keeps going |
| 03:02.52 | sterna | unless i do something that needs to access disks, everything works |
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| 03:03.20 | sterna | there, i rebooted again |
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| 03:03.25 | sterna | only sysrq works :P |
| 03:03.30 | _abc_ | by the way it's a bit funny how the modern linux kernels have a huge bunch of kernel threads in user space that clog the process table. this with reference to the original monolithic/microkernel dispute between linus and tannenbaum |
| 03:04.35 | dkr | kernel threads in user space. heh |
| 03:04.50 | _abc_ | well all the daemons shown in [] in top are that ...# |
| 03:04.52 | sterna | yeah, it's nice watching top and seeing all the useless [this] and [that] threads :) |
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| 03:05.30 | _abc_ | actually in ps auxwf|less it's clearer |
| 03:06.06 | _abc_ | dkr actually kernel daemons ? |
| 03:06.58 | dkr | yeah, I knew what you meant, the phrase just tickled me. getting slap happy, time to go. :) |
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| 03:09.15 | _abc_ | btw is there a command line way to issue initial commands to open office presentation ? to start the presentation automatically ? |
| 03:09.38 | _abc_ | for some reason the documentation is severely lacking imho |
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| 03:11.39 | sterna | huh |
| 03:11.48 | sterna | elevator=deadline fixes the problem |
| 03:12.14 | sterna | this must be a strange interaction between something in the kernel and the cfq io scheduler |
| 03:13.14 | sterna | if it rings a bell for anyone... i have an old 3ware card and software raid |
| 03:13.26 | sterna | because old 3ware cards don't know how to grow disks online |
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| 03:13.44 | _abc_ | sterna: did you also try the other policies ? |
| 03:13.52 | _abc_ | or just the next one worked ? |
| 03:13.57 | s3a | any1 have an idea y wen i restarted my second fresh install of lenny my internet doesnt work work (sudo nm-applet returns something about "self-assigned address") |
| 03:14.00 | s3a | ? |
| 03:14.14 | s3a | ethernet and not wireless |
| 03:14.23 | _abc_ | did the first reinstall work ? |
| 03:14.33 | _abc_ | s3^ |
| 03:14.35 | _abc_ | s3a |
| 03:14.42 | s3a | _abc_: both the first and second install worked b4 i did their first reboot |
| 03:14.46 | sterna | _abc_: i've used cfq with great results before |
| 03:14.50 | sterna | now i've tested deadline |
| 03:15.01 | _abc_ | sterna: but not the others ? |
| 03:15.04 | sterna | i could try anticipiatory, but it doesn't make sense for a server |
| 03:15.10 | sterna | and noop is also a bad idea |
| 03:15.25 | sterna | not for a web/db server anyway |
| 03:15.32 | _abc_ | sterna: to be honest i do not understand all the implications of the various schedulers |
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| 03:15.40 | _abc_ | *claim to understand |
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| 03:16.10 | _abc_ | sterna: and why would anticipatory not make sense ? |
| 03:16.12 | sterna | me neither, i just know that deadline tries to minimize latency while cfq tries to distribute the i/o bandwidth as fairly as possible between processes |
| 03:16.24 | kb3ien | just put debian 5.0.0 on my g4 laptop and desktop. the g4 laptop is having x issues. anyone have any advice? |
| 03:16.34 | sterna | because anticipiatory scheduler introduces delays so it can group requests into batches more efficiently |
| 03:16.45 | _abc_ | and anticipatory should try to push FIFO type operation, no ? |
| 03:16.45 | sterna | but with a web server, latency is an important part of user experience |
| 03:16.46 | xoz | s3a: nm-applet? network-manager-gnome |
| 03:16.58 | s3a | xoz: ya thats the same |
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| 03:17.05 | sterna | no, anticipiatory delays and reorders requests |
| 03:17.17 | _abc_ | sterna: when you say latency do you mean seconds in human time or ... |
| 03:17.30 | sterna | that depends on the load |
| 03:17.44 | sterna | when there's no load, all give good enough performance |
| 03:17.48 | _abc_ | sterna: and, is there a cookbook article for such tuning issues ? (i imagine you also tuned the tcp/ip stack) |
| 03:17.49 | s3a | ill be bak tomorow |
| 03:18.05 | sterna | when there's a md resync running in the background, cfq worked best for me so far |
| 03:18.16 | sterna | we'll see how deadline performs |
| 03:18.26 | kb3ien | g4 lappy has nVidia NV17 [geForce4 440 Go 64M] framebuffer, but the installer didnt endow it with a driver. |
| 03:18.28 | sterna | _abc_: i remember reading a redhat paper about schedulers |
| 03:18.53 | sterna | i think they tested oracle performance or something like that |
| 03:19.09 | bullgard4 | Synaptic: "The DEB program package 'ffmpeg' contains the multimedia player ffplay, the streaming server ffserver and the audio and video encoder ffmpeg." Whdere do the 2 letters 'ff' come from? |
| 03:19.18 | sterna | http://www.redhat.com/magazine/008jun05/features/schedulers/ |
| 03:19.19 | sterna | there |
| 03:19.27 | sterna | it's old, but the facts are still there |
| 03:20.09 | sterna | great, now i can start installing xen guests |
| 03:20.21 | sterna | thanks for listening :) |
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| 03:20.41 | xoz | is listening to a patomime... |
| 03:21.14 | _abc_ | sterna: thanks. why xen and not qemu ? i've had better luck with qemu so far |
| 03:21.39 | xoz | _abc_: you might as well checkout virtualbox |
| 03:21.42 | sterna | _abc_: xen performs way better on non-VT machines |
| 03:21.53 | kb3ien | i'll be trying virtualbox in a bit. |
| 03:22.07 | sterna | i prefer kvm, too |
| 03:22.26 | sterna | but it really sucks on older hardware |
| 03:22.47 | xoz | notes that virtualbox runs in linux,mac, and windows |
| 03:23.04 | kb3ien | only on i386 macs. |
| 03:23.10 | xoz | yep |
| 03:23.20 | sterna | kvm-qemu performs far better on modern xeons though |
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| 03:24.19 | sterna | this is an old p4 so no such luck this time :) |
| 03:25.30 | kb3ien | anyone got experience with this nvidia chip? |
| 03:25.40 | xoz | due to virtualization, one can basically run linux in a windows in a mac |
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| 03:26.17 | jay_isr | Hi |
| 03:26.45 | kb3ien | i'd be happy to run X in debian on my mac. |
| 03:27.33 | jay_isr | start X |
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| 03:28.42 | squisher | does anyone know why there's no linux-kbuild-2.6.28? |
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| 03:29.34 | liable | theres a very unhelpfull explanation in a bug report |
| 03:29.49 | here4thegear | hi, I'm having some issues... I'm trying to install php5 on debian... using the guide located here http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/php5.htm it is not happening... I've edited /etc/apt/sources.list did apt-get update then ran the second command with install for like everything... keeps telling me that it can't find packages |
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| 03:30.55 | here4thegear | I'm kinda new to all of this... I already have apache2 installed and I think mysql is installed and running, I don't know if any of that makes a difference or not |
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| 03:31.14 | denysonique-lapt | Hi |
| 03:31.57 | denysonique-lapt | I have a debian 5 lenny testing dvd from september, I would like to install debian should I use this dvd or download a new iso? |
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| 03:33.07 | fire | hey guys |
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| 03:33.31 | xoz | denysonique-lapt: install miminal debian from that iso and use dist-upgrade |
| 03:33.33 | sterna | denysonique-lapt: no need for a new iso |
| 03:33.40 | sterna | what xoz said. |
| 03:33.49 | fire | does anyone of you have expirience with cups? |
| 03:33.50 | denysonique-lapt | cheers guys :) |
| 03:33.58 | xoz | denysonique-lapt: but if you have slow connection, download using bittorrent maybe an option |
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| 03:34.16 | sterna | here4thegear: what version of debian do you use |
| 03:34.28 | sterna | do a cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:34.32 | trentster | hey all I am trying to compile the maxmind geoip C library package on etch, I have never compiled anything before, this is a minimal install of etch...what do I need to install to compile ? build-essential ? |
| 03:34.42 | trentster | help much appreciated |
| 03:34.52 | xoz | !build-essentials |
| 03:35.08 | jeff_ | is there a quick macro for automake or autoconf to set more -I's for the compiler? (aside from setting AM_CXXFLAGS with -I manually) |
| 03:35.15 | here4thegear | sterna 5.0 |
| 03:35.20 | fire | does anyone of you have expirience with cups? |
| 03:35.20 | xoz | !build-essential |
| 03:35.20 | dpkg | methinks build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 03:35.25 | sterna | here4thegear: then you already have php5 |
| 03:35.37 | sterna | here4thegear: just delete all the sources you added |
| 03:36.04 | here4thegear | sterna, well 'which php' gives me nothing. |
| 03:36.15 | xoz | fire: /msg dpkg cups |
| 03:36.17 | sterna | here4thegear: debian 5 (or lenny) already ships with php 5.2 |
| 03:36.34 | sterna | here4thegear: apt-get install php5-cli |
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| 03:36.52 | trentster | xoz, first error "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" do I need gcc? |
| 03:37.09 | xoz | trentster: apt-get install buil-essential |
| 03:37.12 | sterna | argh it's almost 5 a.m. here, i'll have to go catch some sleep |
| 03:37.29 | here4thegear | sterna cool thanks.... how do I uninstall what I have installed? |
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| 03:37.31 | sterna | here4thegear: apt-get update and then apt-cache search php | less |
| 03:37.38 | here4thegear | oh, ok, nm go sleep... :D |
| 03:38.25 | sterna | here4thegear: apt will take care to uninstall stuff that conflicts |
| 03:38.25 | sterna | it will ask you |
| 03:38.25 | sterna | good night |
| 03:38.43 | sterna | i wish i hated my day job, then i could stay here :) |
| 03:38.43 | _abc_ | sterna: lol |
| 03:38.43 | fire | xoz: that does not help me |
| 03:38.44 | _abc_ | good one |
| 03:38.44 | here4thegear | lols... |
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| 03:38.50 | here4thegear | command less not found, craps |
| 03:38.50 | xoz | fire: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:38.54 | _abc_ | here4thegear: there is more to it ... |
| 03:39.14 | sterna | | /part |
| 03:39.20 | _abc_ | here4thegear: there is *more* to it ... |
| 03:39.26 | sterna | err, | more |
| 03:39.28 | trentster | xoz, 2nd error, after build-essential installed "configure: error: Zlib header (zlib.h) not found. Tor requires zlib to build." |
| 03:39.29 | sterna | and |
| 03:39.30 | xoz | fire: apt-get install gcc |
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| 03:39.36 | _abc_ | sterna: you must be very tired ... |
| 03:39.43 | fire | xoz: my problem is in one moment, i can use the cups printer und windows, and in the other moment it doesnt work |
| 03:39.45 | _abc_ | watch out with those pipes some of them work |
| 03:39.45 | xoz | trentster: try apt-get install auto-apt |
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| 03:39.47 | here4thegear | lol |
| 03:39.59 | xoz | fire: ignore |
| 03:40.01 | here4thegear | apt-cache search php | less | /part |
| 03:40.06 | xoz | trentster: apt-get install auto-apt |
| 03:40.13 | here4thegear | is that what I want? |
| 03:40.14 | fire | xoz: i cant |
| 03:40.27 | _abc_ | here4thegear: apt-cache search php | more |
| 03:40.31 | xoz | fire: i meant my last message |
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| 03:40.33 | _abc_ | head oh god |
| 03:40.36 | trentster | xoz, same error |
| 03:40.41 | fire | xoz: okay :) |
| 03:40.42 | jcmoney | hi i had a usb hard drive that i was using (ntfs file system) and now it wont mount, when i fdisk -l it shows up with /dev/sdb with no volumes listed any thoughts? |
| 03:40.46 | here4thegear | lols |
| 03:41.10 | trentster | xoz, says "You may need to install a zlib development package" how do I do this? |
| 03:41.16 | xoz | trentster: apt-get install zlib |
| 03:41.23 | xoz | trentster: apt-get install zlib1 |
| 03:41.25 | xoz | trentster: apt-get install zlibc |
| 03:41.45 | _abc_ | and zlib-devel ? |
| 03:41.46 | xoz | trentster: are you using .configure ? |
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| 03:41.57 | trentster | xoz, yes I am |
| 03:41.58 | here4thegear | _abc_: are we saying that I need to apt-get uninstall everything that showed up in apt-cache search php | more and in apt-cache search php | less |
| 03:41.59 | xoz | trentster: zleb1-devel |
| 03:42.06 | xoz | trentster: did you install auto-apt |
| 03:42.17 | trentster | xoz, yes |
| 03:42.17 | _abc_ | here4thegear: no just the head one, it pulls the rest recursively |
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| 03:42.24 | here4thegear | apt-cache search php | head |
| 03:42.27 | here4thegear | ok |
| 03:42.33 | xoz | trentster: ok. |
| 03:42.35 | _abc_ | not that head |
| 03:42.48 | xoz | trentster: auto-apt should pull those packages automatically |
| 03:42.50 | xoz | !auto-apt |
| 03:42.51 | dpkg | i heard auto-apt is very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=auto-apt&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 03:42.51 | _abc_ | here4thegear: the head package, the one you really need (php5 ?) |
| 03:43.27 | _abc_ | here4thegear: is there a good reason for you not using the gui apt interface ? looks like it would help you a lot. what's it called again ? aptitude ? |
| 03:43.37 | here4thegear | <-- i'm slow and a kinda newb... I've installed a server once on centos and it was all just 'yum groupinstall' sorry |
| 03:43.42 | xoz | trentster: auto-apt update |
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| 03:43.52 | _abc_ | here4thegear: you sound like you need fedora or suse |
| 03:44.05 | _abc_ | here4thegear: bad habits die slowly, prepare to enjoy pain |
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| 03:44.16 | _abc_ | here4thegear: but try aptitude it is nice |
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| 03:44.31 | here4thegear | _abc_: this is a VPS (I know, some may cringe) I'll try to work with aptitude |
| 03:44.34 | trentster | xoz, ok its updating.....what exactly is auto-apt.... sounds like a real time saver <grin> |
| 03:44.41 | nvz | I am running lenny on my laptop and sometimes the screen just blanks and others it doesnt.. I've since laying down here tonight done xset s off and xset s noblank and its still doing it.. yet other days it will stay on all night. |
| 03:44.57 | Rusty1 | jcmoney: it did mount on the system you have now at one time? |
| 03:44.57 | nvz | I can neither figure out why it blanks or why it only does it sometimes and not others |
| 03:45.04 | _abc_ | here4thegear: vps is fine, aptitude is curses based |
| 03:45.05 | xoz | trentster: apt-cache show auto-apt and read the docs in /usr/share/docs/auto-apt |
| 03:45.17 | xoz | trentster: it will help you track the necessary libs |
| 03:45.24 | jcmoney | Rusty1: yes sir with a bunch of data on it |
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| 03:46.31 | here4thegear | _abc_: thanks... I'll see what happens with aptitude.. I may do a clean sweep and start over, since I've just fired this up today, I haven't done much to it |
| 03:46.56 | Rusty1 | jcmoney: and you would plug it in as the same user as you are attempting to now |
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| 03:47.22 | nvz | basically I just want my x display on all the time. I used to just put xset s off in my xsession but lately it doesn't seem to matter |
| 03:47.33 | jcmoney | Rusty1: yeah |
| 03:47.41 | nvz | some days I login and it never blanks, others it blanks after like 5 min |
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| 03:52.50 | Rusty1 | jcmoney: ntfs-3g installed (apt-cache policy ntfs-3g) ? |
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| 03:53.03 | nvz | ah I forgot about dpms maybe thats whats doing it right now |
| 03:53.05 | _abc_ | nvz: nowadays xset matters, and additionally kde or gnome blanking matters |
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| 03:53.06 | nvz | I don't use gnome or kde nor do I use any screensaver packages |
| 03:53.06 | _abc_ | by xset i mean dpms *and* x screen saver from the server which conflicts with the window manager's |
| 03:53.06 | Rusty1 | jcmoney: ntfs-3g installed (apt-cache policy ntfs-3g) ? even then fdisk should see it |
| 03:53.06 | nvz | my session is just nautilus, sawfish and gnome-panel |
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| 03:53.06 | _abc_ | nvz: hmm |
| 03:53.06 | xoz | nvz: if it blanks, just goto to ctrl-al-f1 |
| 03:53.06 | nvz | and other little odds and ends like gnome-settings-daemon and xset |
| 03:53.07 | _abc_ | xoz: no, just press one of the shift keys |
| 03:53.07 | nvz | moving the mouse does it |
| 03:53.07 | xoz | _abc_: does not work for me in ppc |
| 03:53.07 | _abc_ | nvz: did you try to spy the processes when this happens ? |
| 03:53.07 | nvz | the point is I leave this on when I sleep and want to be able to look over ant see it |
| 03:53.14 | nvz | it seems entirely random |
| 03:53.24 | xoz | nvz: similar issue in ppc |
| 03:53.26 | nvz | I've been leaving it on for weeks and its not blanked |
| 03:53.31 | _abc_ | xoz: wait, ppc has a hw controller for that in addition to all else. it's in the bios thing somewhere |
| 03:53.34 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.36 | _abc_ | i only used it once |
| 03:53.42 | jcmoney | Rusty1: yeah it is |
| 03:53.47 | nvz | my pc has been on 5 days.. this is the first it has blanked |
| 03:54.06 | nvz | mind you I logout in the mornings (gdm) |
| 03:54.23 | xoz | _abc_: powerprefs do not have this option. i tried xset s off. it does not work. |
| 03:54.32 | _abc_ | nvz: are you absolutely sure there is no blanker in the process table ? |
| 03:54.36 | nvz | do its a new x server each time cause I use ctrl+alt+backspace when I get up |
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| 03:54.54 | nvz | none that I am aware of.. I recognize all the processes |
| 03:55.15 | nvz | I do more often than not have xine running though |
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| 03:55.25 | nvz | which may be overriding whatever normally causes it to blank |
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| 03:55.35 | _abc_ | xset dpms off; xset s noblank; xset s off |
| 03:55.35 | nvz | and why I dont see it happen all the time |
| 03:55.40 | _abc_ | try that ? |
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| 03:56.04 | _abc_ | nvz: xine uses a server extension to do that afaik |
| 03:56.08 | nvz | I did xset s off, then it went off again, so I did xset s noblank, did it again.. and I just now did xset -dpms |
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| 03:56.23 | xoz | nvz: most likely, dpms |
| 03:56.29 | nvz | hopefully if I lay back down the fucker won't do it again |
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| 03:56.45 | xoz | nvz: will check this in ppc also |
| 03:56.48 | nvz | thats probably it then.. |
| 03:57.02 | _abc_ | oh, correct -dpms not dpms off, my bad |
| 03:57.03 | nvz | I just don't notice its trying to blank cause I normally have something playing in xine |
| 03:57.16 | nvz | I don't have xine running right now |
| 03:57.17 | _abc_ | nvz: busy man :) |
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| 03:57.29 | xoz | mine is, if it goes blank, the keyboard/mouse is useless |
| 03:57.35 | nvz | ah |
| 03:57.38 | xoz | i can still ssh |
| 03:57.43 | nvz | well it comes back on fine |
| 03:57.49 | nvz | I just don't want it to go off |
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| 03:58.02 | nvz | during the night when I'm in bed.. my pc is used for output only |
| 03:58.09 | nvz | I don't want to have to reach over and wake it the fuck up |
| 03:58.27 | Rusty1 | jcmoney: i'm a little stumped. you could try gpart and see if it sees it |
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| 03:58.32 | xoz | i thought xset is no longer working because i use xset s off and noblank to no avail |
| 03:58.47 | nvz | well those only control the screen saver |
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| 03:58.54 | nvz | I forgot all about the monitor power saving |
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| 03:59.06 | nvz | checks his xsession |
| 03:59.29 | xoz | jcmoney: probably you formatted the entire disk... with no partition? |
| 04:00.19 | nvz | xset s off;xset -dpms;gnome-panel &;aterm +sb -tr -font 9x15 -fg white -bg black -sh 60 &;sawfish; |
| 04:00.27 | nvz | thats my session file |
| 04:00.36 | nvz | so technically it should be doing all that already |
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| 04:00.42 | jnewt | it works! with just 3 days on linux i installed debian, configured the box as a router, and setup a firewall, dns, and dhcp!!!! thanks for all your help in here, but i have one more ???? what to use for remote desktop? |
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| 04:01.17 | nvz | hmm.. gnome-settings-daemon isn't even in there anymore *shrugs* |
| 04:01.29 | xoz | jnewt: apt-cache search remote desktop |
| 04:01.29 | nvz | you used to have to start that to get desktop icons and shit to work right |
| 04:01.55 | nvz | though I haven't used nautilus on the desktop in a long time.. I just use it occationally without the desktop |
| 04:02.30 | xoz | nvz: i use fbpanel+openbox+nautilus+gnome-volume-manager |
| 04:02.31 | enouf | one of your old gnome or kde dotfiles in your /home/username is my guess |
| 04:02.54 | nvz | xoz: yeah well I'm a stubborn sawfish user |
| 04:03.26 | nvz | xoz: I tried openbox, and kahakai, ion*, and many others.. they all have their neat features |
| 04:03.38 | nvz | I'd probably use ion if not sawfish |
| 04:03.44 | nvz | I just don't feel like learning lua |
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| 04:03.55 | nvz | or writing a complicated config file for it |
| 04:04.11 | nvz | sawfish-ui makes quick power tweaks a breeze |
| 04:04.15 | nvz | and they happen instantly |
| 04:04.19 | nvz | beauty of lisp |
| 04:05.06 | enouf | my xorg.conf still has Option "DPMS" ,,but my old 1999 HDD that / is on likes to just spin down randomly, once per every ~25 hour period, sometimes for a few seconds only, butnever longer than a minute |
| 04:05.54 | xoz | maybe because of filesystem access? |
| 04:05.56 | nvz | IIRC openbox has nearly all the window matching and context based bindings capabilities I like but doesnt have a quick easy UI to make changes to those settings.. I believe its all done in XML which is gross |
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| 04:06.08 | xoz | ext3 is notorious about hd access |
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| 04:06.38 | xoz | nvz: XML in openbox is very straightforward |
| 04:07.12 | enouf | xoz: dunno, likelya stale flakey hdparm setting somewhere |
| 04:07.23 | nvz | not as straight forward as just hitting a grab button, a key combo, an action or command and having it be a valid macro from then on.. no restarting, loading/saving configs.. |
| 04:07.45 | enouf | XML? ewww |
| 04:07.47 | xoz | nvz: i hate magic... i like text editing :) |
| 04:08.12 | enouf | you must love the gnome registry then :-P |
| 04:08.22 | nvz | I'm not lazy or inexperienced.. its just the way I see it.. if I'm using a GUI I want to do things in a quicker more tangable way |
| 04:08.29 | xoz | if you read the XML config of openbox... it is not really that non-trivial |
| 04:08.37 | nvz | you can see I use a transparent terminal as part of my session |
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| 04:08.50 | xoz | unix philosophy is always about text processing/editing |
| 04:08.57 | enouf | nvz: is Screen involved at all? |
| 04:08.59 | xoz | no magic things |
| 04:09.00 | nvz | sawfish matches that window and puts it below all other windows fullscreen without any decoration |
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| 04:09.12 | enouf | XML isn't text - it's gibberish |
| 04:09.12 | nvz | yeah I am using screen and irssi right now |
| 04:09.25 | nvz | yeah xml was made for parsers not people |
| 04:09.32 | nvz | it fugly |
| 04:09.38 | nvz | makes me sick |
| 04:09.38 | xoz | enouf: that is relative. just read the config of openbox, it isnt gibberish |
| 04:09.40 | enouf | nvz: i'd look into funk somewhere within there .. why? don't ask |
| 04:09.57 | nvz | funk? |
| 04:10.14 | xoz | and having ((()))) is not gibberish? haha |
| 04:10.19 | nvz | hehe |
| 04:10.26 | enouf | nvz: your magic blue smoke escaping randomly :-P |
| 04:10.30 | nvz | I don't get under the hood with sawfish really |
| 04:10.34 | nvz | I tried learning librep |
| 04:10.41 | nvz | seemed like too much insanity |
| 04:10.52 | nvz | I have enough control of sawfish with sawfish-ui |
| 04:11.02 | xoz | but ruby is a cool language, really :) |
| 04:11.36 | xoz | hopes ruby will have scientific computing support like python |
| 04:12.08 | nvz | I love pyton |
| 04:12.20 | nvz | python is my language of choice when I need something done |
| 04:12.29 | nvz | I havent looked at python 3.x yet |
| 04:12.42 | nvz | the fact that they say typing and shit is all different scared me off |
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| 04:12.55 | nvz | last thing I wanted to do was have to go back and learn it again |
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| 04:13.52 | enouf | isseriously considering giving up on linux as/for any sort of desktop usage - forever |
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| 04:14.20 | nvz | I can't imagine using anything but linux |
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| 04:15.08 | nvz | actually I can't imagine using anything other than debian |
| 04:15.19 | enouf | after being 'stuck' (as in xkill), i just told the stuck window to go from desktop 2 -> desktop 1 and it kiled my internet stream instead |
| 04:15.29 | enouf | streaming audio, that is |
| 04:15.33 | nvz | heh |
| 04:15.58 | enouf | gnome and kde are bloated messes and behemoths |
| 04:16.02 | nvz | I was demonstrating recovering from hung apps for someone recently |
| 04:16.12 | nvz | my whole machine locked up.. |
| 04:16.24 | nvz | well.. not really.. but it was unresponsive |
| 04:16.34 | enouf | people keep homogenizing windows shit into linux, which then propogates all throughout the GNU world |
| 04:16.43 | nvz | kernel wasn't hung but X was and I couldn't switch to console |
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| 04:17.41 | nvz | thats when I realized sysrq support didn't seem to be working in my kernel |
| 04:18.12 | nvz | the few times I'd ever needed it that sysrq was a life saver |
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| 04:19.52 | nvz | oh well i gotta get to sleep.. got to work in the morning.. and its probably gonna be a long f'n day |
| 04:20.15 | nvz | I need to find a f'n tech job |
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| 04:20.55 | antiPoP | Hi'm trying to install debian on a virtual amchine |
| 04:20.57 | nvz | I didn't leave my job roofing at the end of last summer to go back to school just to get out with my GED and two certifications just to end up back here doing the same thing |
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| 04:22.34 | nvz | dont get me wrong.. I love construction.. way more satisfying.. but my body can't keep up |
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| 04:23.17 | kb3ien | whats the thinking on VMs and swap space? |
| 04:23.30 | jnewt1 | hey, to any xfce users, how do i run a program as root like the menu lets me in kde? |
| 04:23.48 | mischief6 | jnbes, open a console and use su/sudo :) |
| 04:23.59 | nvz | kb3ien: I dont see how its any different than any other machine |
| 04:24.05 | nvz | in that respect |
| 04:24.10 | nvz | the OS still needs memory |
| 04:24.15 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me what stuff is included in 'standard system'? |
| 04:24.19 | enouf | great .. that desktop 1 window just crashed hard |
| 04:24.22 | jnewt1 | yeah, that's what i thought. |
| 04:24.27 | nvz | either you got enough ram to cover what you do or you dont.. |
| 04:24.38 | nvz | either way you still should have swap just in case |
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| 04:26.38 | nvz | my personal take on swapping is you never want to do it, but you still want to have that option |
| 04:26.43 | nvz | it beats the system going down |
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| 04:28.07 | nvz | you should have enough ram to cover what you are going to do, virtual machine or otherwise, and then you should have at least two times that in swap to keep the system alive when shit hits the fan |
| 04:28.35 | enouf | does anyone know a Browser (other than my beloved links2 -g) that loads pages faster than 1993 dial up speeds? (on a 15/2mbit conn) ,, and that doesn't crash all the time? |
| 04:28.49 | nvz | I wrote a long blog recently on shit hitting the fan.. |
| 04:28.56 | flourish | hello. A question about find. As i know find doesn't have the function of "exclude", so when you want to find some files but "exclude" something, what will you do? use grep? |
| 04:29.10 | flourish | nvz: can i have a look at it |
| 04:29.14 | nvz | nobody responded to my question of what you picture when you picture shit hitting the fan |
| 04:29.43 | nvz | I for one picture a white pedastal fan with the grille removed and shit just kinda flying toward it |
| 04:30.10 | nvz | the whole point of the blog was mostly that there are just some things I can't get a clear mental picture of |
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| 04:30.30 | kb3ien | so i'll put the swap on the hostos only. and TRY not to oversubscribe my ram. |
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| 04:31.11 | nvz | kb3ien: yeah but the swap on the host isn't going to in any way help the vm |
| 04:31.19 | enouf | nvz: btw; Roofing (unless you're the boss) is hard work man - i've done all sorts of it for years |
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| 04:31.35 | nvz | if you have 64mb to a VM and it runs out, the host os isn't gonna start swapping for that vm |
| 04:31.42 | o_ | flourish, find does have 'exclude'. use -a -not <...> |
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| 04:32.21 | enouf | flourish: or ! -name |
| 04:32.30 | nvz | enouf: yeah I've been doing it in the summer months for almost 5 myself.. and its insanely hard.. we work 11hr days most of the time.. 7 days a week.. its not uncommon for me to move 2ton of shingles in a day |
| 04:33.13 | enouf | nvz: ugh .. i stopped humpomg up ladders years ago - i feel your pain man |
| 04:33.24 | kb3ien | indeed. |
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| 04:33.50 | nvz | I have half a picture with "shit hits the fan" but its still all mulistable thought |
| 04:34.36 | kb3ien | but if i have 2TB of RAM and 16TB of swap. then i setup 4 vms with2TB of ram each. they unwittingly use swap... |
| 04:35.16 | nvz | enouf: yeah and this one guy that drives the boom for 84 lumber around here is a douchebag.. we try occationally to have em boomed to the roof but this idiot on our last job tried to put em in the middle of the road (literally) like 500ft from the house |
| 04:35.41 | enouf | nvz: i've done roll, flat, slate, torch-down, epdm, etc ... as you said - learn the tech aspects of whatever field you go into - problem is; Americans for the most part are dumbasses and allowed the republicans to self-mutilate themselves |
| 04:36.14 | enouf | ... |
| 04:36.21 | nvz | enouf: our crew just does framing, shingles, siding, and we have a seemless gutter machine |
| 04:36.46 | nvz | I wouldn't fuck with slate, tar, torche-down or any of that crap |
| 04:36.47 | enouf | sweet... so it's not always just roofing in the summer |
| 04:37.00 | nvz | and I'm not gonna go in your house and do anything |
| 04:37.33 | nvz | he ended up doing a small ceiling drywall job a few weeks ago.. I left.. heh |
| 04:38.02 | enouf | nvz: i'm a finish carpenter now, make custom cabs, builtins, stairs, etc .. but here too - work is slow - everybody is losing at this point |
| 04:38.19 | nvz | I hate drywall for one thing.. and anytime you gotta do stuff like that in someones house not only are they gonna be up your ass, but you got their pets and kids too, and then all their stuff and the risk of breaking something..etc |
| 04:38.34 | nvz | I've only had two customers ever come up on the roof in 5 years.. |
| 04:38.39 | enouf | nvz: i still will do painting (ugh) and sheetrock and repairs and crap .. just to have work |
| 04:38.39 | nvz | they stay out of your hair |
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| 04:38.54 | enouf | haha |
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| 04:40.37 | nvz | I just gotta figure out while I am doing this stuff this summer and the economy is all fucked up how to make myself more employable in the IT world |
| 04:40.59 | nvz | I finally took the first steps and got A+ IT Tech certified and Linux+ certified |
| 04:41.10 | nvz | I've been doing my own computer business for like 10 years |
| 04:41.19 | nvz | but I can't live off it |
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| 04:43.19 | nvz | I've got resumes out on every website, employment agency..etc I can find.. and I got damn good references.. but most the call backs I get aren't within my skill set |
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| 04:43.36 | nvz | most places want people that can maintain AS400's |
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| 04:43.46 | nvz | where the fuck am I suppose to learn to do that? |
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| 04:45.08 | nvz | they renamed those fucking things System I like 10 years ago, and like 4 years ago the renamed em eServer Series I |
| 04:45.16 | nvz | so the AS400 doesn't even exist really |
| 04:45.26 | kb3ien | as for swap for virtual boxen i'll do some iscsi ad-hoc voodoo. |
| 04:45.28 | nvz | IBM sure as hell doesnt train or certify for em |
| 04:47.15 | nvz | my cousin thought he was being helpful.. tells me.. oh well they're hiring at this place for Java developers 20/hr. |
| 04:47.20 | nvz | I just laughed.. |
| 04:47.31 | nvz | I wouldn't develop Java for 200/hr |
| 04:47.48 | kb3ien | Java *bleh* its pointless! |
| 04:48.06 | nvz | I wouldn't say that, but its fugly and it being portable is a joke |
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| 04:48.21 | nvz | j2me is being used all over |
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| 04:48.39 | nvz | but to say a j2me app is WORA as the Java claims to be is crazy |
| 04:48.51 | kb3ien | C is WAY more portable than java. |
| 04:49.04 | nvz | each device has a different subset of java and a different device profile |
| 04:49.58 | kb3ien | i'm installing ubuntu/virtualbox/ubuntu NEXT time apt-get fubars my libc6 it wont kill my PBX irrevocably. |
| 04:50.01 | flourish | enouf: so i can " find ./ -iname "*.html" ! -name .svn ... " ? |
| 04:51.03 | nvz | like my phone has a GPS and a Camera.. the built-in apps can upload photos directly to myspace or use the gps to find local stores.. but neither device is accessible to any java app I write |
| 04:51.07 | jnewt1 | anyone know what the protocol is for xrdp, i need to add an exception to my shorewall, it wont work with the firewall up? |
| 04:51.15 | flourish | o_: -a ? |
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| 04:51.23 | nvz | jnewt1: rdp would be my guess |
| 04:51.29 | nvz | !rdp |
| 04:51.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rdp is an acronym. ask me about <remote desktop protocol> or <reliable datagram protocol>, or apt-get install rdesktop |
| 04:51.39 | kb3ien | job market blows, i'm taking the time to get some certs and play with all those thing i wanted to but never got the chance at my last gig. |
| 04:51.44 | nvz | and I was being sarcastic about the guess part |
| 04:51.50 | jnewt1 | that simple....hello! |
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| 04:53.02 | nvz | yeah I was gonna keep getting certs but I'm really not sure if its worth the time and money |
| 04:53.08 | enouf | flourish: i think yeah, or you need a -o there, and maybe parens |
| 04:53.21 | nvz | besides all that it speaks nothing of what I know |
| 04:53.27 | enouf | flourish: /msg dpkg using find |
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| 04:54.09 | nvz | these companies call me.. "have you ever used Super Duper Active Directory Blow Job Edition?" and I'm like "no, but I know what the fuck a yellow page protocol is and how it works" |
| 04:54.23 | nvz | as if learning some new GUI is going to keep me from being able to work |
| 04:54.37 | nvz | who cares if I never seen your shitty WEBUI helpdesk software |
| 04:54.44 | nvz | you seen one, you seen em all |
| 04:54.51 | kb3ien | heh. you said it. |
| 04:55.00 | simonrvn | nvz++ |
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| 04:55.19 | enouf | !nvz++ |
| 04:55.34 | enouf | !karmasmite simonrvn |
| 04:55.37 | enouf | :-p |
| 04:56.00 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:56.00 | nvz | my one friend is like.. so just tell them you do know it.. |
| 04:56.08 | simonrvn | xchat was starting to burn my eyes |
| 04:56.54 | nvz | the way I see it, if they even care about which GUI widgets I've seen before they aren't looking for someone like me anyhow |
| 04:57.05 | simonrvn | no kidding |
| 04:57.54 | simonrvn | i declare "Super Duper Active Directory Blow Job Edition" to be a classic |
| 04:58.17 | nvz | hah.. I have no idea what the fuck the names of these programs these companies use are |
| 04:58.44 | simonrvn | that's ok, yours is funnier :) |
| 04:58.47 | nvz | but I understand what they are doing with them at a fundamental level the person who implemented them probably doesn't even know exists |
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| 05:00.15 | nvz | I went to that school to get a few basic knowledge certs, and normally they have kids that have passed the cert take apart a pc and show the new people the parts inside..well I was giving that demonstration to the kids who came in with me |
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| 05:00.47 | _abc_ | so ? |
| 05:00.50 | nvz | and the kids who had passed their test are reaching in pointing out things going "what's that" and I am like "thats an L5 inductor on the CPU's voltage regulator" |
| 05:00.55 | simonrvn | i'm self-taught too, though i haven't taken courses |
| 05:01.06 | _abc_ | simonrvn: take *exams* then |
| 05:01.10 | nvz | and explaining to them in great detail how an inductor and a capacitor works |
| 05:01.25 | _abc_ | nvz: that does not help a lot with enrolment |
| 05:01.33 | _abc_ | what happened ? |
| 05:01.38 | simonrvn | _abc_: honestly, i hadn't thought of that, i just might. |
| 05:01.52 | nvz | I was asked by the instructor to do that |
| 05:02.10 | nvz | she didn't even know what "that green thing with the copper wire around it" was |
| 05:02.11 | _abc_ | simonrvn: linux certified professional ? lpi ? |
| 05:02.32 | nvz | she even had me give lessons on how to use meters and logic probes |
| 05:02.34 | _abc_ | nvz: ah, and she learned pedagogy by watching npr ? |
| 05:02.41 | dondelelcaro | nvz: fairy beads. the more loops, the more magick. |
| 05:02.48 | nvz | heh |
| 05:03.04 | _abc_ | you see you have to give people something close enough to what they know or they'll never connect |
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| 05:03.12 | nvz | I grew up doing this stuff.. my father owned a TV repair shop when I was a baby |
| 05:03.13 | simonrvn | _abc_: no, something like a C class ;p |
| 05:03.17 | _abc_ | input data gradually, don't flood :) |
| 05:03.25 | nvz | I know electronics at a way way fundamental level |
| 05:03.49 | _abc_ | simonrvn: sure ipc in c on unix in programming 101. to make sure 99% quit and only you remain in class |
| 05:03.49 | jnewt1 | i am having some trouble with running as root in xfce. in terminal, if i type kate, i get cannot connect to X server :0.0 how can i run Kate as root? |
| 05:03.51 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I really need to bring my EE skills up |
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| 05:04.30 | _abc_ | nvz: so did you tell them about the magic smoke yet ? |
| 05:04.31 | dondelelcaro | jnewt1: you shouldn't run stuff as root. |
| 05:04.52 | nvz | when I started getting into computers I thought a lot of those things like electronics fundamentals and shit didn't really matter |
| 05:05.00 | jnewt1 | i need to edit a config file, how can i save if not root? |
| 05:05.02 | simonrvn | _abc_: i have the basics already |
| 05:05.05 | dondelelcaro | jnewt1: the more complete answer is to use sudo or similar to avoid resetting XAUTHORITY so you can keep using your user's .Xauthority |
| 05:05.12 | o_ | jnewt1, use sux instead of su |
| 05:05.17 | nvz | but you'd be surprised how valuable knowledge in physics, elctronics, or anything really can be helpful |
| 05:05.22 | _abc_ | nvz: they don't when you learn programming. they do when you learn embedded or wear several hats when working ... |
| 05:05.32 | nvz | its like the old hard drive in the freezer trick.. basic concept of physics |
| 05:05.45 | nvz | pressure and temperature are directly related |
| 05:05.47 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah; a good fundamental basis in physics is pretty much necessary for anything |
| 05:05.48 | simonrvn | _abc_: i'm a visual learner, so i need stuff in diagrams ;) |
| 05:05.50 | _abc_ | nvz: condensation ? :) :) |
| 05:05.59 | nvz | _abc_: gotta bag it of course |
| 05:06.06 | dondelelcaro | _abc_: there better not be any water vapor in the drive case |
| 05:06.12 | _abc_ | hrhrhr |
| 05:06.20 | kb3ien | with crystal kitty litter... |
| 05:06.26 | _abc_ | they teach that in the advanced class ... |
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| 05:06.32 | kb3ien | silca get. |
| 05:06.33 | dondelelcaro | (if there is, you've got *issues*) |
| 05:06.38 | kb3ien | gel. |
| 05:06.40 | jnewt1 | sdondelelcaro, can you give one example of opening a file with sudo or sux or however, so i get the idea? |
| 05:06.57 | dondelelcaro | jnewt1: sudo vi foofile; FE. |
| 05:07.22 | dondelelcaro | jnewt1: alternatively, su; export XAUTHORITY=/home/yourusername/.Xauthority; kate; |
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| 05:07.30 | dondelelcaro | jnewt1: or sux, which basically does the same |
| 05:07.39 | _abc_ | dondelelcaro: aeons ago i HAD to get data off a 20mb drive and i bathed it in freon (it was legal then) and started it wet. The plot worked somehow, and i got the data off the drive before it died |
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| 05:07.59 | dondelelcaro | _abc_: yeah, it |
| 05:08.04 | _abc_ | now, who knows why you's put an EPROM in a freezer :) |
| 05:08.05 | simonrvn | ugh, i need to go back to bed, my gut's not 100% still |
| 05:08.22 | dondelelcaro | _abc_: it's pretty well known that some hardware functions better at lower temps. |
| 05:08.41 | nvz | actually I was able to fix a roommates dvd player at school cause of applying a wide rage of disciplines.. its not real common knowledge for techs to know the difference between CAV and CLV discs |
| 05:09.05 | _abc_ | dondelelcaro: actually with flaky eproms you have flippy bits that change with temperature so sometimes you need to heat them and sometimes cool them to get the data out and make a fresh one |
| 05:09.34 | _abc_ | nvz: spin motor ? :) |
| 05:09.44 | nvz | the first problem was the tray jumping the track.. wouldn't close.. so someone forced it shut hitting the cd motor knocking that plastic thing off the shaft.. then after fixing those issues it would read cdda but not dvd |
| 05:09.45 | jnewt1 | dondelelcaro: sudo keeps coming back as command not found? i feel like i am missing a fundamental here... |
| 05:09.53 | nvz | simply because the angle of the shaft was not right |
| 05:09.59 | _abc_ | should this discussion not be on #electronics ? or is that only for trolls undergoing the bends from withdrawal |
| 05:10.03 | dondelelcaro | jnewt1: that's becase you don't have it installed |
| 05:10.12 | ajavid | nvz! |
| 05:10.24 | jnewt1 | aha! |
| 05:10.28 | dondelelcaro | _abc_: yes, it really isn't on topic here. |
| 05:10.40 | nvz | ajavid: ah, good.. my cue to go back to bed.. haha |
| 05:10.44 | ajavid | heh |
| 05:11.10 | _abc_ | dondelelcaro: i actually have a rather extensive /ignore list for #electronics and i was wondering if all the pers got themselves /bk d |
| 05:11.15 | ajavid | me too I think, take some nyquil an sleep my nose is runny |
| 05:11.22 | nvz | I'm going back to sleep.. its f'n 1am already.. this is te latest I've been up in a long time |
| 05:11.39 | ajavid | g'nite |
| 05:11.55 | nvz | my boss and most of the crew are gonna be framing that house tomorrow.. I get to go do a bazillion square roof job with one other guy to help me tomorrow |
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| 05:12.19 | nvz | fun times |
| 05:12.26 | ajavid | you still roffin' |
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| 05:12.37 | nvz | its the only thing I can get paid to do.. |
| 05:12.38 | nvz | heh |
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| 05:12.58 | ajavid | man my nose is fuckin' killing me, I really gotta go, but it was nice to see you again |
| 05:13.15 | nvz | you can't even get a f'n job at a grocery store, radio shack, or the f'n geek squad anymore |
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| 05:13.47 | nvz | but insurance companies are still paying to replace blown off roofs |
| 05:14.01 | mercutio22 | Hello, I am looking for some help regarding a very weird problem I have inputing accents.I can't do it only in some qt applications like kile and texmaker. I am using gnome. I wonder if KDE get language and locale settings from a different place and that might be causing it? |
| 05:14.07 | nvz | and as long as I bust my ass I can make about $100/day or more |
| 05:14.17 | mercutio22 | Hello, I am looking for some help regarding a very weird problem I have inputing accents.I can't do it only in some qt applications like kile and texmaker. I am using gnome. I wonder if KDE get language and locale settings from a different place and that might be causing it? |
| 05:14.20 | mercutio22 | ops |
| 05:14.22 | mercutio22 | sorry |
| 05:14.45 | nvz | sleeps |
| 05:15.04 | jnewt1 | dondelelcaro: ha! i got lectured by linux! so is it ok to log in as root to add my self to the sudoers file? |
| 05:15.30 | dondelelcaro | jnewt1: just run su; then visudo |
| 05:16.07 | dondelelcaro | you really shouldn |
| 05:16.19 | dondelelcaro | err, you really shouldn't need a GUI editor for editing things as root anyway |
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| 05:17.20 | jnewt1 | dondelelcaro: how would you edit one? |
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| 05:17.41 | dondelelcaro | jnewt1: with vi |
| 05:17.53 | dondelelcaro | (or emacs, depending on what I was doing) |
| 05:18.20 | Arrowmaster | you have to edit /etc/sudoers by running visudo as the file clearly states at the beginning of it |
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| 05:18.57 | dondelelcaro | well, you can edit it with anything you want, but it's a good idea to use visudo. What visudo actually runs depends on what you've got set as your editor, which is the question I was answering. |
| 05:19.11 | jnewt1 | ok, i did visudo, now it says to read the manual! |
| 05:19.29 | _abc_ | lol |
| 05:19.33 | Arrowmaster | whats your username on the system? |
| 05:19.48 | jnewt1 | rachael |
| 05:20.12 | Arrowmaster | ok at the very bottom of the file add 'rachael ALL=(ALL) ALL' |
| 05:20.14 | _abc_ | interesting spelling for rachel |
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| 05:20.28 | _abc_ | Arrowmaster: how to add ? :) |
| 05:20.30 | jnewt1 | i like it |
| 05:20.43 | kb3ien | ARGGH! i want to install openssh server, please gods make this install stop skipping steps! |
| 05:21.17 | _abc_ | jnewt1: you know how to go to the end of the file ? shift-G |
| 05:21.24 | _abc_ | and to add ? pree a |
| 05:21.28 | _abc_ | and to add ? press a |
| 05:21.39 | dondelelcaro | kb3ien: so install openssh-server |
| 05:21.41 | jnewt1 | yeah, i did ^C and srolled down |
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| 05:22.08 | _abc_ | jnewt1: and to exit esc-:-wq |
| 05:23.45 | pragma_ | a |
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| 05:26.06 | jnewt1 | yes, that will make things so much easier, thanks guys. |
| 05:26.18 | _abc_ | jnewt1: the a ? :) |
| 05:27.07 | jnewt1 | the sudo and the vi, i don't know what the a is for |
| 05:27.30 | jnewt1 | oh, to add ?, but why? |
| 05:28.22 | _abc_ | jnewt1: crash course in vi: press a to add text at the cursor, press esc to exit add mode, press esc:wq to save and quit |
| 05:28.36 | _abc_ | you do not add '?' |
| 05:28.51 | _abc_ | iow, visudo, then: |
| 05:29.23 | _abc_ | G$arachael ALL=(ALL) ALL[ESC]:wq |
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| 05:29.38 | _abc_ | where [ESC] means press ESC |
| 05:29.58 | _abc_ | oops, make that |
| 05:30.06 | _abc_ | G[ENTER]$arachael ALL=(ALL) ALL[ESC]:wq |
| 05:30.12 | _abc_ | err |
| 05:30.17 | _abc_ | G$[ENTER]arachael ALL=(ALL) ALL[ESC]:wq |
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| 05:30.23 | andres833 | hi |
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| 05:30.42 | andres833 | some help me with me wifi card in debian lenny :'( |
| 05:30.54 | jnewt1 | i know what you meant:), it works, i am editing the file i wanted to originally now |
| 05:30.57 | andres833 | i trie for the some much configuration and nothinf |
| 05:31.37 | _abc_ | G$a[ENTER]rachael ALL=(ALL) ALL[ESC]:wq |
| 05:31.40 | _abc_ | ^^ |
| 05:31.52 | _abc_ | time to go to bed, ber tends to infinity |
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| 05:32.53 | andres833 | some person help me with me wifi card atheros |
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| 05:33.48 | _abc_ | andres833: you have asked a ndiswrapper question on #debian. this is very, very bad :) |
| 05:34.06 | mischief6 | anyone know why when i use 'shutdown now' as root, it starts shutting down, asks for root password, and when i put in the pass or type ctrl-d it starts up again? |
| 05:34.32 | _abc_ | mischief6: shutdown -h now |
| 05:35.00 | mischief6 | i'll try that. |
| 05:35.45 | andres833 | _abc_, why? dont understand |
| 05:35.46 | mischief6 | ah, thanks _abc_ ! |
| 05:37.29 | _abc_ | andres833: there is likely no support for your atheros wifi in debian and you need to use ndiswrapper which is frowned upon by pure blooded debian people (it uses proprietary windows drivers in a wrapper - ndiswrapper) |
| 05:38.11 | streuner__ | andres833: whats the PCI ID? |
| 05:38.26 | manu_hack | so after upgrading a kernel, one must reboot the machine? I slightly remember when it's 2.6.18 it gave warning that one must reboot but now I don't see the warning after upgrading, so is it a must to reboot? |
| 05:39.07 | enouf | manu_hack: yes, are you using kexec? or some new fangled VMs? |
| 05:39.40 | manu_hack | no enouf |
| 05:39.59 | enouf | andres833: one of these? http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
| 05:40.25 | andres833 | _abc_, i'm sorry i love debian SO and want the this wifi card funtions because i dont want use windows never more |
| 05:40.36 | andres833 | enouf, thank |
| 05:40.47 | andres833 | some person know alerios |
| 05:41.03 | andres833 | some person know alejandro rios peña of colombia |
| 05:41.08 | xoz | manu_hack: if you are not changing the same kernel version, no need to reboot. |
| 05:41.18 | streuner__ | andres833: what enouf gave you is the "free" driver (ath5k) in kernel |
| 05:41.20 | enouf | andres833: make sure you know the PCI ID matches as streuner__ eludes to |
| 05:41.35 | enouf | streuner__: nice tail :-p |
| 05:41.48 | manu_hack | xoz: so upgrading the same version needs not reboot, right? |
| 05:41.58 | streuner__ | andres833: there are a number of other chipsets that are supported only via ath_pci (madwifi) |
| 05:41.59 | enouf | what? |
| 05:42.17 | xoz | manu_hack: need reboot. but from .6 to .8, no need to reboot. |
| 05:42.50 | streuner__ | andres833: so we need first to know what kind of chipset is in your device as enouf already and me mentioned... |
| 05:42.53 | xoz | manu_hack: the reason is that if the kernel version is the same, that means that some modules loaded are changed during the upgrade... |
| 05:42.57 | manu_hack | xoz: like from 2.6.26-8 -> 2.6.26-13? |
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| 05:43.02 | enouf | andres833: as streuner__ points out - http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ath_pci might be more apropos |
| 05:43.06 | xoz | manu_hack: no need. only if the same |
| 05:43.20 | manu_hack | xoz: I see |
| 05:43.37 | xoz | manu_hack: 2.6.28 -> 2.6.28 but module upgrade... |
| 05:43.56 | xoz | manu_hack: you only reboot if you want the new kernel. |
| 05:44.11 | andres833 | streuner__, enouf _abc_ in my laptop see the ath5k but the problem is a in the moment to make of iwlist wlan0 scan don see nothing wifi lans |
| 05:44.25 | _abc_ | OHH, what happens with device names on scsi when 2.6.27 is upgraded to .28 ? |
| 05:44.45 | manu_hack | thx xoz |
| 05:44.50 | _abc_ | andres833: see dmesg and look for a message like (radio off) |
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| 05:45.21 | _abc_ | you know where dmesg is ? |
| 05:45.34 | streuner__ | andres833: did you configure wlan already (interfaces)? |
| 05:46.07 | enouf | andres833: ls /sys/class/net |
| 05:46.37 | andres833 | _abc_, the dmesq is /var/log/dmesg |
| 05:46.53 | enouf | (note; i suck at wifi, will chime in only bits) |
| 05:47.17 | _abc_ | enouf: the error message is in dmesg, many ath radios are not supported (including mine) so the eth side is take up but the radio remains dead |
| 05:47.26 | _abc_ | i had the same problem. ndiswrapper fixed it |
| 05:47.29 | _abc_ | sort of |
| 05:47.29 | andres833 | enouf, what make in this route? |
| 05:47.33 | enouf | andres833: yes - but the 'dmesg' command however is the kernel's ring buffer output |
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| 05:48.06 | streuner__ | /var/log/dmesg ist old news... |
| 05:48.08 | _abc_ | andres833: just dmesg|less and look inside for a message about radio. press /radio[ENTER] then n to see next matches |
| 05:48.13 | streuner__ | s/ist/is/ |
| 05:48.15 | enouf | andres833: so 'dmesg | tail' will most likely yield different , updated info |
| 05:48.18 | andres833 | enouf, in this route /sys/class/net/ i can see wlan0 |
| 05:48.37 | _abc_ | andres833: please do dmesg|less as asbove |
| 05:48.39 | _abc_ | *above |
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| 05:50.09 | andres833 | enouf, what do you want with this comand ? |
| 05:50.12 | _abc_ | ok, i be gone :) you take it from here. just remember ath drivers are very experimental, ndis is too, but it works, free or not :) |
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| 05:51.17 | andres833 | _abc_, i want learn to make driver for debian and in this moment make the driver for a atheros :'( |
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| 05:51.56 | fire | I hate CUPS, why can i print a Testpage from every PC in my network from the Cups website, but i cannot add the printer to one of them Windows and MacosX |
| 05:51.59 | fire | ARGH |
| 05:52.01 | _abc_ | andres833: one says install a driver i think |
| 05:52.13 | enouf | streuner__: remember though, sometime dmesg is nothing but nonsensical errors repeated infinitum, so the /var/log/dmesg file can be very useful sometimes too |
| 05:52.15 | _abc_ | and debian works fine with ndiswrapper (i am using it), |
| 05:52.26 | _abc_ | it's just the fanatics will gnash their teeth |
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| 05:52.44 | andres833 | _abc_, i install this driver but in this moment dont see the card in /proc/net/dev |
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| 05:53.33 | _abc_ | what is 'this driver' |
| 05:53.33 | enouf | !chomp abc |
| 05:53.44 | _abc_ | enouf: NEVER |
| 05:53.46 | andres833 | _abc_, and the driver i can se is ath5k but dont function good |
| 05:53.48 | enouf | :-P |
| 05:54.07 | andres833 | my laptop is a nb105 toshiba |
| 05:54.28 | _abc_ | andres833: you need to remove the driver from the kernel, and install ndiswrapper |
| 05:54.36 | andres833 | i dont wan use ubuntu i want my debian with all function |
| 05:54.37 | _abc_ | as root rmmod ath5k |
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| 05:54.52 | _abc_ | get ndiswrapper and compile it |
| 05:55.00 | _abc_ | and that will start things working |
| 05:55.11 | andres833 | _abc_, with apt-get install? or copiling |
| 05:55.16 | _abc_ | you are on #wireless, there they will help you more with ndis than in #debian |
| 05:55.26 | _abc_ | anders_: try apt then compiling |
| 05:55.50 | andres833 | _abc_, thank for your help |
| 05:56.15 | andres833 | _abc_, how delete the driver of kernel? |
| 05:56.24 | _abc_ | rmmod ath5k |
| 05:56.26 | andres833 | modprobe |
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| 05:56.47 | enouf | modprobe -r |
| 05:56.52 | enouf | to remove |
| 05:56.56 | _abc_ | andres833: you speak spanish or portuguese ? |
| 05:57.04 | andres833 | _abc_, spanish |
| 05:57.18 | enouf | ensureit's not listed in /etc/modules |
| 05:57.26 | enouf | ensure it's not listed in /etc/modules |
| 05:57.26 | _abc_ | umm, i think this is .pt :http://forum.somgnu.cat/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=311&p=1740 |
| 05:57.41 | andres833 | _abc_, i know my english is very bad sorry |
| 05:58.14 | enouf | ahh crap .. doesn't madwifi or something blacklist within /etc/modprobe.d/ or something - have fun |
| 05:58.36 | _abc_ | enouf: andres833 in fact ensure it is LISTED in blacklist: echo "ath5k" >>/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 05:59.03 | enouf | _abc_: my original comment was about /etc/modules though |
| 05:59.08 | _abc_ | :) |
| 05:59.13 | _abc_ | no flames |
| 05:59.16 | _abc_ | yet |
| 06:00.23 | andres833 | _abc_, i can't see this driver |
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| 06:00.41 | _abc_ | andres833: see it where ? |
| 06:00.45 | andres833 | vim /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 06:00.57 | _abc_ | andres833: you put it there now, do it |
| 06:01.01 | _abc_ | andres833: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=106731&sid=46bd3371c814d6caef358d2db081038f |
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| 06:01.20 | _abc_ | now i have to go, i hope the other guys will help you. |
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| 06:01.32 | _abc_ | don't forget in #wireless they know more about ndis than here |
| 06:01.34 | _abc_ | bye |
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| 06:02.22 | andres833 | _abc_, my atheros is diferent is a AR242x |
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| 06:02.52 | andres833 | _abc_, thank for your help i go on fight with this card |
| 06:03.10 | andres833 | thank all debian friends for your help |
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| 06:03.25 | andres833 | and go on the free way linux |
| 06:03.27 | andres833 | bye |
| 06:03.29 | srid_ | I'm looking forward to buy a slightly high performing linux computer that is 1) of small form factor, 2) enough memory and dual core (I'll be bulding lots of programs on this besides running XUL apps). any suggestions? |
| 06:03.33 | andres833 | see you later |
| 06:04.04 | bullgard4 | Where do the two letters 'ff' come from in 'ffmpeg'? |
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| 06:04.12 | andres833 | i think that my laptop need debian for 64bits |
| 06:04.25 | andres833 | but is a test bye thank for all |
| 06:04.56 | enouf | bullgard4: ask #ffmpeg? my guess is fast fourier |
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| 06:05.24 | enouf | bullgard4: as in FFT/FFTW{3} |
| 06:05.35 | bullgard4 | enouf: I will try to ask in #fmpeg. -- Thank you. |
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| 06:32.48 | maxagaz | hi |
| 06:33.09 | maxagaz | how to switch tty from command line ? |
| 06:33.50 | enouf | alt-f2 |
| 06:34.37 | maxagaz | enouf, ok, but what's the command to switch screen ? |
| 06:34.39 | enouf | alt-f{1,2,3,4,5,6,7} for ex |
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| 06:35.24 | enouf | screen the app? or screen as in monitor/display? |
| 06:35.33 | maxagaz | enouf, it killed my session of xchat |
| 06:35.47 | maxagaz | enouf, switch to tty2, 3, 4... |
| 06:35.55 | enouf | ctrl+right click? |
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| 06:36.31 | enouf | xserver usually is on tty7/vt7 |
| 06:37.08 | maxagaz | enouf, you know ctrl+alt+F1, right ? I want to do the same with command line |
| 06:37.15 | enouf | maxagaz: to drop to console/tty add ctrl to the alt-f{1,2,3,4,5,6,7} |
| 06:37.55 | dacs_ | i just download and installed kppp, but when i click on it to run is i get permission denied?! :( |
| 06:38.07 | maxagaz | enouf, it doesn't work on vmware, that's why i did a command line to do it |
| 06:38.16 | enouf | i switch from X to tty/console and back easily - you can't? |
| 06:38.42 | enouf | what vmware? you asked about tty |
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| 06:38.55 | simonrvn | dacs_: need to add yourself to (IIRC) dip group |
| 06:39.25 | simonrvn | ...or dialout |
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| 06:44.45 | dacs_ | simonrvn: what do you mean? |
| 06:45.14 | simonrvn | `adduser dacs dialout' for instance... |
| 06:45.47 | dacs_ | simonrvn: how do i know which group is assigned to kppp |
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| 06:46.48 | liable | see the docs for kppp? maybe it added you when you installed it, but you need to logout for it to take effect |
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| 06:47.21 | dacs_ | liable: aha, will do that and come back |
| 06:47.24 | christoz | hello, i need a dictionary program that can get linked with the google.translate server, any sugestions/ |
| 06:47.24 | christoz | ? |
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| 06:58.38 | doleyb | christoz: youtranslate |
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| 07:00.55 | dacs | liable: ok, i logged out and back in and still i am getting the same error "permission denied" |
| 07:01.12 | liable | dacs: are you in dialout group? |
| 07:01.20 | liable | as simonrvn mentioned |
| 07:01.35 | christoz | doleyb, from which repository? |
| 07:02.04 | liable | i think dip group is for using pon/poff .. not sure if its needed for kppp |
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| 07:04.53 | dacs | liable: yes, i am "dialout:x:20:dacs" |
| 07:05.14 | liable | dacs: hmm, ok, what about dip group? |
| 07:05.23 | dacs | PiousMinion: hey , thanks mate |
| 07:05.30 | dacs | liable: nope am not |
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| 07:05.53 | PiousMinion | dacs: :P I don't remember doing anythign tonight. lol |
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| 07:06.33 | dacs | PiousMinion: the other day , i learned something from you. cat /etc/group | grep <username> |
| 07:06.45 | PiousMinion | :) |
| 07:06.56 | liable | dacs: add yourself to that one and logout. (you can also use 'groups' as that user) |
| 07:07.03 | liable | to check |
| 07:07.29 | dacs | liable: yeah, but PiousMinion loves using grep |
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| 07:07.34 | dacs | lol |
| 07:07.34 | PiousMinion | lol |
| 07:07.38 | liable | i think that gets a uuoca |
| 07:07.43 | dacs | hahahha |
| 07:07.45 | PiousMinion | uuoca? |
| 07:07.53 | liable | !uuoca PiousMinion |
| 07:07.55 | dacs | PiousMinion: pm |
| 07:07.59 | liable | meh |
| 07:08.05 | liable | !uuoc PiousMinion |
| 07:08.05 | dpkg | hands PiousMinion the "unnecessary use of cat" award |
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| 07:09.28 | PiousMinion | liable: was that command supposed to have dpkg PM me? |
| 07:09.35 | liable | nope |
| 07:09.43 | PiousMinion | oh der. I see it. rofl |
| 07:09.44 | liable | it said it in channel |
| 07:09.48 | liable | ;) |
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| 07:11.04 | dacs | liable: Failed to execute child process "kppp" (Permission denied) |
| 07:11.26 | StarkD_ | is there a way to minimize gnome terminals to the gnome panel? |
| 07:11.26 | liable | did you log out again? |
| 07:11.32 | liable | how are you starting it? |
| 07:11.47 | dacs | liable: nope, sorry i missed reading that. will do and comeback |
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| 07:12.00 | kj4 | what is an application in I can use to burn a DVD from a .mov quicktime file? |
| 07:12.50 | liable | kj4: you prolly have to convert it first.. but check k3b to see if it can do it. gnome has one too, but i forget its name, gnometoaster maybe? |
| 07:13.04 | doleyb | liable, kj4: the gnome one may be brasero |
| 07:13.16 | liable | doleyb: sounds familiar, yup |
| 07:13.36 | kj4 | thanks |
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| 07:14.14 | dacs | liable: got it |
| 07:14.21 | liable | noice |
| 07:14.42 | dacs | buys beer for liable |
| 07:14.48 | liable | you should have listened to simonrvn about 20 mins ago :P |
| 07:14.59 | dacs | simonrvn: thanks mate |
| 07:15.19 | dacs | buys OJ for simonrvn :) |
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| 07:20.36 | manu_hack | what is the best way to find the CPU info (those could be seen on ads, e.g. 2.2GHz) , i find that dmidecode or cat /proc/cpuinfo didn't give the full capacity |
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| 07:23.45 | dacs | hi, modprobe -r usbserial gives me "FATAL: Module usbserial is in use." |
| 07:24.21 | liable | get the other module thats using it from lsmod and remove that first |
| 07:24.32 | dacs | and moinfo "depends: usbcore" |
| 07:25.05 | dacs | liable: and that one does the samething |
| 07:25.18 | liable | manu_hack: should be somewhere in proc. not sure where though |
| 07:25.40 | liable | dacs: is a program using it? |
| 07:26.20 | dacs | liable: got it, thank you, it was another module |
| 07:26.39 | simonrvn | np |
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| 07:27.25 | hareldvd | Can I check which package a command belongs to? |
| 07:27.52 | liable | hareldvd: dpkg -S /path/to/binary |
| 07:27.52 | PiousMinion | hareldvd: apt-cache show apt-file |
| 07:28.02 | manu_hack | liable: thx, now man proc |
| 07:28.09 | liable | if its installed.. otherwise yeah, apt-file |
| 07:28.43 | dacs | lspci | grep usb |
| 07:28.55 | dacs | uh not here stupid |
| 07:29.14 | liable | manu_hack: actually, cpuinfo shows my cpu speed |
| 07:29.25 | liable | the model name |
| 07:29.38 | manu_hack | liable: mine shows the reduced speed |
| 07:29.55 | manu_hack | should be 1.7 but when not using it shows 800 |
| 07:30.18 | liable | on the model name line? |
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| 07:31.02 | manu_hack | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor TK-53 |
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| 07:31.57 | manu_hack | liable: mine is 1700 at full speed, but now cpu MHz : 800.000 |
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| 07:33.07 | doleyb | manu_hack: is it laptop? |
| 07:33.29 | liable | manu_hack: ok. i guess it depends on model. it should be in proc somewhere i would think. |
| 07:33.34 | DaemonDEB | is anyone using a webcam with a kernel higher than 2.6.27? |
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| 07:34.04 | manu_hack | doleyb: yes, a laptop, also using cpufrequtils |
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| 07:34.57 | doleyb | manu_hack: well, won't that tell you the number you want? |
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| 07:35.20 | doleyb | manu_hack: or you can just cat /proc/sys/devices/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq |
| 07:36.23 | hareldvd | system-config-printer crashes: import subprocess \n ImportError: No module named subprocess . Any idea? |
| 07:37.09 | manu_hack | doleyb: I don't have that file, I only have /proc/sys, no devices dir, only dev, but under dev no cpu ... |
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| 07:37.44 | doleyb | manu_hack: oh, what is your kernel version? Older kernels had that info in /proc/sys/cpu |
| 07:38.01 | doleyb | manu_hack: Does cpufreq-info not work for you? |
| 07:38.28 | Trewas | the correct path should be /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq |
| 07:38.37 | Trewas | i.e. not in /proc |
| 07:38.47 | dacs | me bbl |
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| 07:39.10 | manu_hack | Trewas: got it |
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| 07:39.36 | manu_hack | doleyb: cpufreq-info works, but I also want cache size and such |
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| 07:41.18 | manu_hack | ok got to go, thx all, should be fine :) |
| 07:41.50 | hareldvd | system-config-printer crashes: import subprocess \n ImportError: No module named subprocess . Any idea? |
| 07:42.54 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 07:42.54 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 07:43.36 | nullie | hello, where can I find templates for prerm and friends? |
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| 07:49.56 | adnzzzz | hi |
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| 07:57.13 | mf_417 | Hi, is there any graphical configuration tool for LDAP Client in debian? |
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| 07:59.23 | AcTiVaTe | mf_417: http://phpldapadmin.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ? |
| 07:59.31 | adnzzzz | i use linux debian with kernel version 2.6.18-486, why my filezilla can't connect to ftp server, it said Status Connected with 172.168.100.202. Waiting for welcome message... and then request time out.how to fix it, please help me.thanks |
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| 08:01.45 | mf_417 | Hi, is there any graphical configuration tool for LDAP Client in debian? |
| 08:01.48 | adnzzzz | for your information this happend since two days ago so there is no problem before |
| 08:02.25 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz: And nothing changed on your side? |
| 08:02.45 | adnzzzz | at ftp server i use proftpd |
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| 08:03.54 | nullie | how can I remove package configuration files? |
| 08:04.09 | adnzzzz | AcTiVaTe: there is no problem with my connection and pc setting because i can connect to other ftp server, what do you think cause the problem? |
| 08:04.20 | jnewt | how do i get my second hard drive to be recognized? |
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| 08:04.35 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz: I believe the server not to be responding. |
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| 08:05.02 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz: An nmap does not show port 21 open or filtered |
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| 08:06.37 | adnzzzz | AcTiVaTe: well i can connect to ssh, and nmap show me port 21 is open: 21/tcp open ftp |
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| 08:07.34 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz: And /var/log/auth.log ? or wherever proftpd logs ? |
| 08:07.37 | adnzzzz | AcTiVaTe: the web server is no problem either... 80/tcp open http i can open it from my browser |
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| 08:07.55 | adnzzzz | wait a seconds |
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| 08:10.03 | adnzzzz | i can open /var/log/auth.log but how to find the problem... or how do i know proftdp logs? |
| 08:10.13 | adnzzzz | or how do i know where proftpd logds |
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| 08:11.24 | adnzzzz | i found cat /var/log/proftpd/proftpd.log |
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| 08:11.48 | dacs | !hi |
| 08:11.48 | dpkg | hello, dacs |
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| 08:14.59 | adnzzzz | adnzzzz: this is the log of problem... would you see it? http://rafb.net/p/KkfGnm89.html |
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| 08:16.20 | adnzzzz | AcTiVaTe: that log created when i try to connect from my FileZilla to FTP Server until i got timeout |
| 08:16.32 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I'm a user migrating from Ubuntu to Debian. I'm using graphic environment. I've reinstalled the system to debian but it installed KDE by default. Is there any easy way to force it install and use Gnome instead? I feel comfortable with it... |
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| 08:17.18 | liable | hid3: install gnome or gnome-core, then remove kde |
| 08:17.27 | dacs | i keep getting this everytime i try to connect using my ppp connection "The pppd daemon died unexpectedly!" |
| 08:17.28 | liable | hid3: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 08:17.41 | hid3 | Thanks. |
| 08:17.59 | dacs | the moden is ident and i can query it, everything is fine , except that! |
| 08:18.17 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz: You actually use ipv6 ? |
| 08:18.20 | liable | dacs: does it give a code? |
| 08:18.21 | adnzzzz | AcTiVaTe: does re-install my proftpd will help? or do you see something wrong with it.. so it can fix without re-install |
| 08:18.31 | adnzzzz | AcTiVaTe: nope.. i don't use it] |
| 08:18.34 | dacs | liable: exit code 1 |
| 08:18.39 | adnzzzz | AcTiVaTe: i just use ipv4 |
| 08:18.55 | adnzzzz | AcTiVaTe: is this proftpd config problem or what? |
| 08:18.58 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz: Then why the 'IPv6 getaddrinfo 'www.globaltours.com' error: Name or service not known' in the server log? |
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| 08:19.29 | liable | dacs: eek, that looks like a bad one. see man pppd for exit codes. out of mem? |
| 08:19.52 | liable | dacs: is it a standard modem or some hsdpa thing? |
| 08:20.06 | hid3 | By the way, isn't there any way to select preffered graphical environment during setup instead of removing/installing it manually? I ask because I'll need to install another system with Gnome also... |
| 08:20.35 | liable | hid3: there are specific cd's for gnome/kde/xfce |
| 08:21.16 | hid3 | ouch. Didn't know anything about them. |
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| 08:21.56 | dacs | liable: it is an EVDO USB modem " seirra wireless" |
| 08:22.34 | liable | dacs: ok. did you give the module any load options? does it need any? |
| 08:22.47 | liable | google gives no clues? |
| 08:22.50 | dacs | liable: it from work when i am oncall, i decided to go all Debian on my personal lappy |
| 08:23.04 | khaije1 | someone please show me an example of grep using regex pls? i'm not sure what i'm missing |
| 08:23.23 | liable | i have a sierra hsdpa one, not evdo though |
| 08:24.08 | dacs | liable: accually not, i had to dig something out from sprint and they acually have installation for debian, like i said i can see the card and do a modem query just fine and it say it is ready |
| 08:24.09 | antiPoP | where are the kernel c headred files in lenny? |
| 08:24.15 | antiPoP | do I need to install something? |
| 08:24.22 | liable | dacs: google is prolly your best bet for that, or you might get lucky in #linux, but they arent still widely used imo (in linux) |
| 08:24.24 | antiPoP | header* |
| 08:24.45 | khaije1 | i'm typing grep -e "^gstreamer*dbg$" what am i doing wrong? |
| 08:24.46 | liable | antiPoP: linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 08:25.17 | dacs | khaije1: maybe try #bash |
| 08:25.34 | khaije1 | ah ok, thx dacs thats a good chan |
| 08:25.37 | jnewt | i installed a new hdd, it had windows on it, and i need to a: get win off can anyone help? |
| 08:26.13 | dacs | liable: thats the one i have "Bus 001 Device 005: ID 1199:0023 Sierra Wireless, Inc" |
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| 08:27.09 | m3ltdown | wtf did someones system crash 20min ago? |
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| 08:27.42 | liable | dacs: i dont have experience with that particular model |
| 08:27.47 | liable | m3ltdown: eh? |
| 08:27.57 | dacs | !eh |
| 08:27.57 | dpkg | 'eh' is synonymous with the american derivative 'huh', but unlike 'huh', 'eh' can be used without making one sound like a freaking idiot. . Western Sahara |
| 08:28.13 | m3ltdown | some of my servers went completely down 20min ago |
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| 08:28.24 | m3ltdown | all togeter at once |
| 08:28.33 | dacs | m3ltdown: ds3 hit |
| 08:28.41 | m3ltdown | eh? |
| 08:28.43 | liable | how the hell would we know? |
| 08:28.49 | DogBoy | !eh |
| 08:28.49 | dpkg | 'eh' is synonymous with the american derivative 'huh', but unlike 'huh', 'eh' can be used without making one sound like a freaking idiot. . Western Sahara |
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| 08:29.04 | liable | blame your host service or DC |
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| 08:29.39 | antiPoP | [liable] thanks, it worked |
| 08:29.53 | liable | np |
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| 08:32.12 | khaije1 | i figured it out, i was treating the target field as the string rather than the whole string, so i added a cut to the cmdpipe |
| 08:32.29 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: direct connection to FTP Server from my laptop doesn't help.. i still got timeout |
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| 08:32.32 | telmich | hello |
| 08:32.52 | telmich | is anyone in here building kernels with debian squezze and having success? |
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| 08:33.09 | liable | telmich: what do you mean? |
| 08:33.14 | mischief6 | anyone know why the dhclient that runs at boot doesn't pull an IP, but running dhclient manually works fine? |
| 08:33.27 | telmich | i'm having the problem that since some days all newly built kernels instantly reboot, which does not happen on the same model (lenovo x200) with debian lenny |
| 08:33.32 | liable | mischief6: wireless iface? |
| 08:33.44 | telmich | I suspect something (gcc?) in the buildchain to be broken |
| 08:33.45 | mischief6 | liable, no |
| 08:34.04 | liable | telmich: define reboot. does it throw any errors? |
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| 08:34.21 | telmich | liable: no, it reboots half a second after the kernel is loaded |
| 08:34.23 | liable | mischief6: odd. anything in logs mentioning device settling or similar? |
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| 08:34.48 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: this is the log: http://pastebin.com/m12957f2e |
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| 08:35.21 | telmich | liable: see this thread: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/3/13/395 |
| 08:35.41 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: i can connect to FTP Server from SSH: ftp 172.168.100.202 but i can not connect to it from other PC, what do you think cause the problem?? |
| 08:35.44 | mischief6 | liable, what log might i look in.. |
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| 08:36.14 | liable | mischief6: syslog or kern.log |
| 08:36.36 | liable | telmich: try debian-kernel mailing list too |
| 08:36.49 | telmich | liable: will do, thanks |
| 08:37.49 | adnzzzz_ | how to re-install my ProFTPd ? |
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| 08:38.28 | pif | hi, any openswan user here ? |
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| 08:38.50 | mischief6 | liable, in kern.log and syslog there is only eth0 down, eth0 up, and "dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 14" |
| 08:38.55 | mischief6 | before i manually run dhclient |
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| 08:39.33 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz_: When you connect using ssh, use local ftp on the server to see if a local connection is no problem. |
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| 08:40.10 | MoL0ToV^ | hi to all, i have this problem: i cannot broadcast udp as root |
| 08:40.13 | MoL0ToV^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.13 | MoL0ToV^ | socket.error: (13, 'Permission denied') |
| 08:40.22 | MoL0ToV^ | i'm root |
| 08:40.23 | liable | mischief6: is the eth0 down from you running ifdown? |
| 08:40.31 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: i did... i run command: ftp 172.168.100.202 and connected, it ask username and password, then i can do "ls" to list directory |
| 08:40.31 | mischief6 | liable, no |
| 08:40.40 | MoL0ToV^ | someone know why? |
| 08:40.41 | mischief6 | liable, i can show you the section of kern.log |
| 08:40.43 | adnzzzz_ | it mean: ftp server is working from local |
| 08:40.45 | liable | mischief6: paste your interfaces file to a pastebin |
| 08:41.02 | liable | mischief6: and the part of the log |
| 08:41.18 | shad0w | hi everyone |
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| 08:41.27 | shad0w | trying to tweak debian boot |
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| 08:41.33 | shad0w | and im using bootchart |
| 08:41.35 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz_: Erm, you ran that at the server? |
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| 08:41.45 | shad0w | ho can i initialize bootchart with lilo? |
| 08:41.53 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz_: Why not just ftp localhost ? |
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| 08:42.46 | jnewt | what do i need to do in order to get local dns? if i put the address of the port that dnsmasq is running on, my network looses internet. |
| 08:42.46 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: please see this log: http://pastebin.com/m2c086c7d |
| 08:42.46 | mischief6 | liable, http://codepad.org/7k5uadfz |
| 08:42.48 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: i think it same... 172.168.100.202 = localhost, let me test it |
| 08:43.00 | liable | mischief6: ok, paste the whole kern.log |
| 08:43.11 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz_: What machine do you normally try to connect from? localhost or an actual remote location? |
| 08:43.23 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: there is no problem with ftp localhost http://pastebin.com/m1bf9f77 |
| 08:43.45 | mischief6 | liable, moment |
| 08:43.51 | jnewt | also, how does one add a hdd? it doesn't show up for me? i justs see one in df. |
| 08:43.59 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: microsoft windows xp sp2, i use filezilla... i can connect to other FTP Server (there is ScoUnix server) |
| 08:44.21 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: btw, i have other debian... let me test ftp to 172.168.100.202 from it... |
| 08:44.37 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz_: And when you try from cmd.exe using ftp ? |
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| 08:45.34 | mischief6 | liable, http://codepad.org/1iBdDznN |
| 08:46.48 | liable | mischief6: hmm, thats the link going up and down. maybe the device is settling when the kernel module loads. try adding a preup sleep for a second or two |
| 08:46.55 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: i think yesterday i test with it.. and same problem, let me check once again.. |
| 08:47.07 | liable | mischief6: have you tried googling the module it uses to see if others have had the issue? |
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| 08:48.02 | mischief6 | liable, no i haven't. it's actually a virtual machine under VMware, and i haven't had this issue with VMs before with debian |
| 08:48.20 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: i can connect to ftp server from other debian server |
| 08:48.33 | liable | mischief6: ugh, another layer of complexity. try #vmware for a start |
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| 08:49.11 | mischief6 | liable, i didn't figure this is a VMWare issue, which is why i asked here |
| 08:49.49 | liable | mischief6: who knows. it could be either the hardware, kernel or vmware |
| 08:50.06 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz_: Then it's a setting in Filezilla or somewhere else in Windows |
| 08:50.16 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: no problem too from cmd.exe |
| 08:50.30 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: it totally weird |
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| 08:50.56 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz_: Then it's definately Filezilla I'd say. But I believe Filezilla also support sftp. So why use ftp? |
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| 08:51.07 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: actually ftp server seem have slow response... maybe it result timeout because wiat too long |
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| 08:51.19 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: what is the benefit of SFTP ? |
| 08:51.21 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz_: just set it to use sftp and use SSH login |
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| 08:51.24 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz_: Secure |
| 08:51.41 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz_: Like http and https |
| 08:51.42 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: is that already enable by proftpd by default? |
| 08:51.46 | ghang | hi i would like to ask how to setup the wireless network , my system cannot detect wireless hardware |
| 08:51.53 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: i got it.. with term secure |
| 08:51.56 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz_: It has nothing to do with proftpd |
| 08:52.06 | liable | ghang: does lspci show it? |
| 08:52.07 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: hmm.. i will test it right now |
| 08:52.24 | ghang | nope |
| 08:52.45 | liable | ghang: check to make sure its turned on in bios first then |
| 08:54.06 | ghang | liable: apple machine doesnt have bios , but i try ubuntu and windows before was successful detect my hardware |
| 08:54.32 | liable | ghang: then lspci should show it. paste the output of that command to pastebin |
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| 08:55.39 | weirdo | hi |
| 08:55.57 | weirdo | i got a weird problem |
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| 08:56.03 | doleyb | ur weird |
| 08:56.03 | nirupama | how to install oracle 9i on debian |
| 08:56.15 | weirdo | doleyb: ^^ |
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| 08:56.48 | XPSlammer | nirupama: you'll need to call 1-800-633-0738 |
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| 08:57.03 | weirdo | i have changed my crypttab and updated my initrd.img with update-initramfs -u but suddenly boot is hanging after md initialization |
| 08:57.05 | Boohbah | nirupama: doesn't oracle provide documentation for that? or they only support RHEL? |
| 08:57.20 | weirdo | and there is no cryptroot file in the initrd.img |
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| 08:57.30 | weirdo | not under conf/conf.d as it should be, shouldn't it? |
| 08:57.43 | weirdo | the stupid thing is i have no initrd.img around to compare |
| 08:58.19 | weirdo | can anybody help me? |
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| 08:58.43 | liable | weirdo: did you add the module to mkinitramfs/modules before rebuilding initrd? |
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| 08:59.13 | adnzzzz_ | AcTiVaTe: thanks.. i think it solve for a moment... i just don't get it.. why FTP Server is slow when initialize the connection... after that, the transfer connection is quite fast.. 1,7mbps... thanks anyway for help.. i appreciate it so much! |
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| 09:01.56 | enouf | weirdo: use -u -k 2.6.x.x otherwise it does it for the running kernel |
| 09:02.17 | enouf | (IIRC, that is) |
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| 09:02.56 | AcTiVaTe | adnzzzz_: Always happy to help :P |
| 09:03.28 | weirdo | enouf: well it updates the correct initrd.img, i have booted from a rescue system and chrooted to the main system |
| 09:03.52 | enouf | chroot != running kernel |
| 09:04.05 | enouf | er.. you know what i mean |
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| 09:04.37 | weirdo | enouf: ok sure |
| 09:04.40 | enouf | if you didn't boot the problem kernel, you ain't running it |
| 09:05.00 | weirdo | enouf: well it is actually the same kernel and version it is a small enny |
| 09:05.03 | weirdo | s/enny/lenny |
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| 09:05.46 | weirdo | enouf: but maybe it is that update-initramfs does not detect that root is actually on a luks in the rescue system so it does not add cryptsetup properly |
| 09:06.35 | DaemonDEB | unfortunately I *have to use a custom kernel otherwise my wireless chipset goes crazy :P |
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| 09:06.43 | enouf | shrugs - maybe also a vgchange -ay too is needed ? (but please, investigate first, that's a real random guess and could cause real damage) |
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| 09:06.53 | DaemonDEB | while I'm in there though I also customize the crap out of it (might as well) |
| 09:07.43 | enouf | weirdo: crap - sorry, i read your luks comment as lvm - my bad, ignore me |
| 09:07.59 | SerajewelKS | does anyone know if unison will work with more than two directories? |
| 09:07.59 | weirdo | i know what it is now |
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| 09:08.45 | weirdo | liable: do you know how i force the call of the cryptsetup hook for cryptroot in the update-initramfs call? |
| 09:08.54 | weirdo | i mean i am obviously now not on cryptroot |
| 09:09.10 | weirdo | and therefore it does not add the necessary information |
| 09:09.16 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i think i heard it's not even actively being developed (or maintained)? just a thought |
| 09:09.39 | liable | weirdo: unfortunately not |
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| 09:10.01 | enouf | weirdo: there's areas within /etc/initramfs-tools/ to add hooks |
| 09:10.18 | weirdo | ya ok i'll have a look |
| 09:10.45 | enouf | weirdo: take a peek also at /usr/share/initramfs-tools/* |
| 09:10.54 | weirdo | ok |
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| 09:14.21 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ask karsten and/or maybe abrotman about unison / possible alts |
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| 09:17.13 | MoL0ToV^ | hi to all, i have this problem: i cannot broadcast udp as root via a python script. someone can help me? |
| 09:17.33 | MoL0ToV^ | the answer is: permission denied |
| 09:17.40 | MoL0ToV^ | but i'm root |
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| 09:20.25 | enouf | shad0w: pretty sure you just add the bootchart=<whatever> where'd you'd append kernel options in LiLo to boot a kernel - then maybe rerun LiLo before rebooting, so it updates? |
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| 09:21.04 | etb | are the apache htdocs in /var/www? |
| 09:21.17 | shad0w | enouf: thnx i already did this |
| 09:21.22 | etb | i don't see any folder owned by apache |
| 09:21.27 | etb | *directory |
| 09:21.28 | XPSlammer | etb: by default, yes. |
| 09:21.40 | liable | www-data |
| 09:21.41 | shad0w | !/bin/sh |
| 09:21.42 | shad0w | xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1280x800 --output S-video --mode 800x600 --right-of LVDS |
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| 09:22.33 | shad0w | sorry my mistake on paste |
| 09:23.15 | etb | liable: err yeah. is your /var/www owned by www-data? |
| 09:23.39 | shad0w | enouf: http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8521/bootchart.png |
| 09:23.47 | shad0w | i think 23secs is good |
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| 09:23.54 | liable | no |
| 09:24.30 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.32 | etb | liable: shouldnt it be? |
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| 09:24.56 | etb | shad0w: it's enouf. |
| 09:25.12 | liable | etb: its not by default. you can set your dir root to somewhere else if you want |
| 09:25.41 | enouf | www-data Some web servers run as www-data. Web content should not be owned by this user, or a compromised web server would be able to rewrite a web site. Data written out by web servers will be owned by www-data. |
| 09:25.46 | shad0w | enouf: i have 456 days uptime on my server :D |
| 09:25.50 | enouf | file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
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| 09:26.05 | uwjweq | How can I transform a file URL into a path? |
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| 09:26.18 | etb | enouf: im wondering why /var/www isnt owned by www-data and it's by root instead |
| 09:26.26 | enouf | shad0w: well, then a few minutes here and there shouldn't matter O_o |
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| 09:27.02 | shad0w | thnx for your reply anyway :D |
| 09:27.34 | uwjweq | never mind |
| 09:27.39 | enouf | etb: it's root:root here too - index.html within is www-data:www-data |
| 09:28.12 | enouf | etb: are you trying to relocate DocumentRoot or something? |
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| 09:28.47 | kenboo | etb feel free to change the owner if that works for you. though I don't think it's necessary. |
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| 09:29.08 | pexy | debian etch. bash script (events.sh) contain one line "nc 192.168.0.10 3333 > events.log". if i start it with ./events.sh & on background, nc writes works for few secons and then the whole script stops ([1]+ Stopped ./events.sh). if i run same nc command from command line, it work nicely. any idea why script stops? |
| 09:29.09 | enouf | etb: all i can say is man a2enmod ; see /etc/apache2/sites-{enabled,disabled} etc |
| 09:29.54 | etb | enouf: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 45 2009-03-10 03:16 index.html |
| 09:30.00 | etb | that was by default |
| 09:30.02 | kenboo | pexy: it wants to write to STDOUT? |
| 09:30.14 | enouf | etb: actually, i think mine's apache1.x :-P |
| 09:30.18 | OpenTokix | etb: because you don't want the apache-process to be able to edit the folder that is docroot |
| 09:30.29 | OpenTokix | etb: ie. - symlink it to /etc/ or something |
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| 09:30.53 | etb | in debian stable is there any dir that's www-data:www-data? |
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| 09:32.50 | pexy | kenboo: so even if i white "&> events.log" to the end it still uses STDOUT? |
| 09:33.49 | kenboo | no |
| 09:34.53 | enouf | etb: find / -group www-data -type d ? |
| 09:35.29 | pexy | is there maybe another way in bash script to connect to host:port and write to file whatever is coming from there? |
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| 09:36.14 | pexy | i've heard that /dev/tcp doesn't work in debian |
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| 09:37.09 | DeSian | how can download archive file from remote server via SSH to local machine downloaded? |
| 09:37.12 | enouf | pexy: one side wants -l the other side wants -w |
| 09:37.12 | kenboo | uh you are redirecting > in events.sh |
| 09:37.33 | liable | DeSian: sure, man scp |
| 09:38.03 | p0g0 | liable: or, sure man, scp. |
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| 09:40.07 | ubd | i need to install debian as fast as possible idont have a good net connection. tel me what shall i do pls |
| 09:40.22 | ubd | i only need base |
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| 09:40.45 | liable | ubd: netinst can do base without net. just dont have it plugged in during install |
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| 09:41.07 | enouf | ubd: you could just take control of someone else's box |
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| 09:41.28 | liable | Juerguista_xD: stop it |
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| 09:41.48 | enouf | Juerguista_xD: quit it! |
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| 09:42.09 | enouf | !es |
| 09:42.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:42.10 | liable | Juerguista_xD: make your client, or whatever it is from making those unicode things in your comments |
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| 09:42.41 | enouf | Juerguista_xD: your irc client sucks ass |
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| 09:43.02 | ubd | wtf |
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| 09:43.09 | Juerguista_xD | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.11 | p0g0 | Juerguista_xD: si usted no hablar engles, no es possible para usted aqui |
| 09:43.16 | enouf | see? i knew he spoke some english :-P |
| 09:43.26 | liable | !ops Juerguista_xD troll |
| 09:43.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: Juerguista_xD troll |
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| 09:43.51 | ubd | Juerguista_xD is my man |
| 09:43.51 | Juerguista_xD | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.52 | p0g0 | Juerguista_xD: vaya! |
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| 09:44.11 | ubd | what is sshd? |
| 09:44.19 | enouf | a ssh daemon |
| 09:44.25 | liable | secure shell daemon |
| 09:44.33 | ubd | sounds like a virus to me |
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| 09:44.49 | enouf | wanders off .. |
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| 09:45.41 | DeSian | liable: i'm know with SSH of the remote server in /root directory, will download the files of my local machine. i see no otion in scp about that! |
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| 09:46.12 | liable | DeSian: there is an option to copy from or copy to |
| 09:46.13 | daniel-vlc | hi |
| 09:46.15 | p0g0 | DeSian: it's a different progam, called scp |
| 09:46.23 | daniel-vlc | i'am testing debian live... |
| 09:46.47 | daniel-vlc | and the maximun monitor resolution is 800x600 ... |
| 09:47.08 | daniel-vlc | but my nonitor can do 1600x1200 |
| 09:47.14 | liable | daniel-vlc: there is a dedicated channel for debian-live on irc.debian.org |
| 09:47.46 | daniel-vlc | ok |
| 09:47.50 | Nilshar | Hello, I got some problems with Lenny udev and vmware.. with Etch, I used to remove the file /etc/udev/rules.d/z25-persistent-net.rules when cloning a vmware so the file recreate itself after a reboot. if I do same thing with Lenny and /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, the file is never recreted on a vmware (works fine on a real server). any idea how to fix that ? or force udev to recreate the file.. or anything else that can help :) |
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| 09:48.53 | Aldus | Hi, I have a Linux server and a Windows server. I have an USB drive connected to the Win server and I would like to format it for Linux (Debian). How should I format it? Is there some utility? |
| 09:48.57 | enouf | DeSian: debian-administration.org is helpful |
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| 09:49.22 | DeSian | enouf: thnx :) |
| 09:50.21 | antiPoP | Hi, is there a way to get packages for a sarge system? |
| 09:50.45 | pexy | enouf: still my netcat stop, seams like -w doesn't help, when i run nc from script, thet script stops. any ideas? |
| 09:51.02 | enouf | antiPoP: /msg dpkg ado |
| 09:51.56 | enouf | pexy: not really offhand - others here are much more knowledgeable about networking than i |
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| 09:52.31 | enouf | pexy: maybe you want a |
| 09:52.35 | maxagaz | how to look for a file which is in the current directory recursively ? |
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| 09:52.45 | enouf | pexy: maybe you want a | rather than a > |
| 09:52.55 | SerajewelKS | enouf: hmm, yeah dev looks dead but there has to be something less sucky than rsync or a VCS |
| 09:52.57 | enouf | (stupid keyboard) |
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| 09:54.37 | enouf | SerajewelKS: well, IIRC, someone mentioned copyfs and something else - but that's beacuse over 100 servers need to be constantly 'sync'd' |
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| 09:55.10 | enouf | rsync should do fine :-) |
| 09:55.43 | weirdo | enouf,liable: i have added a line like " |
| 09:55.43 | weirdo | key~ sasl |
| 09:55.58 | enouf | maxagaz: found the -R option yet? .. or use find, like normal people :-P |
| 09:55.59 | icebrain | maxagaz: find . -name NAME ? |
| 09:56.04 | urezki | maxagaz: use 'find' for such purposes, or you don't know how to use that ? |
| 09:56.04 | weirdo | target=lukspace,source=/dev/hda3,key=none,lvm=vg-root |
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| 09:56.13 | weirdo | and added xts as module |
| 09:56.34 | weirdo | enouf,liable: thankfully the system is booting again. thx! |
| 09:56.38 | maxagaz | urezki, i don't know how to use find yes |
| 09:56.41 | icebrain | ls **/FILENAME is good too :P |
| 09:56.44 | enouf | ahh .. so LVM is also involved |
| 09:56.52 | weirdo | enouf: yes |
| 09:56.53 | enouf | cool |
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| 09:57.03 | DisSsha | HI ! I would like to know how Debian check regression system between updates ? |
| 09:57.08 | urezki | maxagaz: find . -name foo -type f |
| 09:57.26 | weirdo | and cbc is the default chiffre where i use the newer xts, so i got strange errors |
| 09:57.40 | weirdo | but it does not find or load my keyfile :-( |
| 09:58.35 | maxagaz | urezki, what if i don't know the exact name of the file i'm looking for ? |
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| 09:59.19 | urezki | maxagaz: try to pass something like "foo*" |
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| 09:59.45 | pexy | i used "nc 192.168.0.10 3333 | cat > events.log", but no luck. script stops after 1-20 seconds. whereas i events are written into logfile. |
| 09:59.56 | enouf | maxagaz: /msg dpkg using find |
| 10:00.02 | dacs | liable: am not having any luck |
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| 10:01.04 | maxagaz | urezki, okay, but the research isn't recursive |
| 10:01.15 | dacs | anyone here using "sierra ACS597E) USB ppp from sprint?! |
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| 10:08.50 | urezki | maxagaz: you are using magic find tool in this case :-) |
| 10:09.10 | ganesh | tell me is there any tool to compile the module ( driver source) |
| 10:09.49 | streuner__ | why? |
| 10:10.02 | streuner__ | nm |
| 10:10.39 | ganesh | streuner, are you asking me |
| 10:10.45 | streuner | nm |
| 10:11.12 | streuner | ganesh: what do you want compile? |
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| 10:11.44 | streuner | and _which_ module are you talking about? |
| 10:11.51 | ganesh | for example if i want to compile a module of a particular device .. is there any tool |
| 10:12.14 | streuner | which device, be more concret please |
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| 10:12.54 | dacs | i keep getting The pppd daemon died unexpectedly! |
| 10:13.01 | dacs | Exit status: 1 |
| 10:13.01 | ganesh | streuner, for pppdev source |
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| 10:14.27 | dacs | and from man pppd the exit code mean fatal error of some kind occurred, such as an essential system call failing, or running out of virtual memory. |
| 10:14.32 | ganesh | streuner, device is not the matter .. is there any tool or any procedure for compilation of a module |
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| 10:17.01 | streuner | ganesh: whats the URL for the source? Isnt there any README or INSTALL stuff mentioned there? |
| 10:17.44 | medecau | i am trying to install debian on a acer aspire one using a flash drive(1GiB) |
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| 10:17.55 | ganesh | streuner, i knew how to compile a module by manually .. i want to know is there any tool to do it automatcally |
| 10:18.05 | weirdo | now i am really confused |
| 10:18.07 | DeSian | itry to copy the archive file from remote host to my local machine, but copy all the files from directory!? the command was "scp -r /root/backup_mysql.tar.gz root@89.124.143.190: /home/des/Templates/SERVER-BACKup/" |
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| 10:18.16 | medecau | the installer halts when it looks for a iso installer |
| 10:18.32 | medecau | theres no iso on the flash drive |
| 10:18.46 | weirdo | there is no cryptroot file in the initrd.img but it still detects the luks stuff |
| 10:18.49 | medecau | should i put one there? something like a cd iso? |
| 10:19.49 | enouf | ganesh: module-assistant |
| 10:20.29 | urezki | ganesh: the common practise is when your source code use linux kbuild system in order to build kernel module, so use kbuild if a module is your own. |
| 10:20.57 | urezki | yes, module-assistant can be used too :-) |
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| 10:21.52 | ganesh | enouf, module-assistant only .. i am using any thing other than this .. sometime if i install the debian source of a module it is not showing for example aufs |
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| 10:22.08 | ganesh | urezki, kbuild is a tool |
| 10:22.15 | DeSian | solved was my fault :) |
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| 10:23.26 | enouf | ganesh: for use with debian source ofcourse |
| 10:23.45 | enouf | ganesh: out-of-tree - can also be done, IIRC |
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| 10:24.01 | ganesh | enouf, not getting |
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| 10:24.29 | enouf | ganesh: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-out-of-tree |
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| 10:25.45 | urezki | ganesh: system or tool, actually it doesn't matter. The main thing, you got what i mean! |
| 10:25.45 | ganesh | enouf, this is ok .. why it is not updating the m-a , if i install a new source |
| 10:26.02 | nirupama | can i get a good documentation for mysql |
| 10:26.10 | nirupama | I am not able to use it with debian |
| 10:26.23 | enouf | ganesh: now, that's a bit beyond me, from your description ... sorry |
| 10:26.48 | ganesh | nirupama, what type of document you need |
| 10:28.03 | nirupama | ganesh, hi |
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| 10:28.35 | nirupama | ganesh, do u have any starter documentation on mysql for newbee |
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| 10:28.39 | enouf | nirupama: apt-cache search -n mysql | grep doc ? look in the typical /usr/share/doc/ dir? |
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| 10:29.03 | ganesh | enouf, what the link says .. like that only i am compiling .. i want to know ..is there any tool which will update the module list if i install the new module source |
| 10:29.08 | enouf | nirupama: apt-get update (prior) |
| 10:29.22 | ganesh | nirupama, google it |
| 10:29.57 | enouf | ganesh: i don't know :-/ .. maybe you can try #debian-mentors on oftc.net - /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 10:31.08 | medecau | i i use http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ to create a flash drive to install debian do i need to include a iso in it? |
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| 10:31.44 | streuner | !ig |
| 10:31.44 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r7) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual. <installer firmware> |
| 10:31.57 | piper69 | liable: you there mate |
| 10:32.05 | enouf | ganesh: oh wait - man depmod -a ? i'm trying toi understand what you want exactly |
| 10:32.32 | ganesh | nirupama, w3schools.com is a fantastic place for newbee |
| 10:32.39 | enouf | ganesh: give specifics please .. or a good example |
| 10:33.28 | nirupama | ganesh, thankyou |
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| 10:35.36 | enouf | ganesh: " .. like that only i am compiling .. " <-- the kernel, or just the module(s)? |
| 10:35.58 | ganesh | enouf, just for a module |
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| 10:36.23 | enouf | ganesh: so same kernel, same -headers- .. just newer module source? |
| 10:36.37 | ganesh | enouf, yes |
| 10:36.45 | nirupama | enouf, when are run the mysqladmin -u root password "x" |
| 10:36.49 | nirupama | it shows mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 10:36.49 | nirupama | error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' |
| 10:36.55 | ganesh | enouf, this m-a is not updating there list properly |
| 10:36.56 | enouf | ganesh: think about nvidia/ati binary blobs |
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| 10:37.14 | ganesh | enouf, what is it |
| 10:37.26 | medecau | sudo RTFM -f |
| 10:37.29 | medecau | did work |
| 10:37.32 | enouf | ganesh: which list? is m-a creating and installable .deb that you dpkg -i it? |
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| 10:37.46 | enouf | s/and/an |
| 10:38.32 | ganesh | after installing a particular module say aufs .. the m-a is not showing in their aufs .. |
| 10:38.35 | enouf | ganesh: m-a prepare; m-a build ; ... is that what you use? |
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| 10:38.53 | ganesh | enouf, i did all those |
| 10:39.07 | enouf | ganesh: i think maybe n-a prepare should ... oh well,, |
| 10:39.14 | enouf | er s/n-a/m-a |
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| 10:39.29 | ganesh | nirupama, just give "mysql -p" |
| 10:39.31 | enouf | !nmg |
| 10:39.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
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| 10:39.44 | nirupama | ganesh, I tried its not working |
| 10:39.50 | enouf | !mentors |
| 10:39.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 10:40.13 | enouf | ok - just checking network was indeed oftc.net |
| 10:40.21 | ganesh | nirupama, any password you gave while installing the mysql |
| 10:40.31 | nirupama | ganesh, http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/mysql.htm |
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| 10:41.40 | Tempus_Fugit | hey everyone.....892 hellos |
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| 10:42.24 | ganesh | enouf, for example if i want to compile the module for dell pc modem of my kernel .. what i have to do .. |
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| 10:43.11 | ganesh | enouf, for example if i want to compile the module for dell pc modem to my kernel .. what i have to do .. here how to use the m-a .. |
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| 10:43.56 | Illarane | Is there not an /etc/init.d/iptables script, or is there a separate package I need to install to get it? |
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| 10:44.28 | Illarane | This server is driving mad, and I'm beginning to think I'll have forgotten how to type by the time I get it fixed. |
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| 10:44.32 | Illarane | .win 12 |
| 10:44.34 | enouf | ganesh: is /usr/src/modules (or is it /extra? if out-of-tree?) showing source pkgs, and other things? How about are you applying needed .dsc to the debian source tar.gz? Or .. is this nt deban source? |
| 10:44.41 | Illarane | D: Case in point. :( |
| 10:45.09 | enouf | Illarane: there is an iptables pkg |
| 10:45.17 | piper69 | as root , when i do /etc/network/interfaces restart I get permission denied |
| 10:45.26 | enouf | whoami |
| 10:45.29 | OpenTokix | piper69: it's not a executable |
| 10:45.39 | OpenTokix | piper69: its /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 10:45.39 | joltcan | piper69: run ifdown -a ; ifup -a instead |
| 10:45.44 | enouf | oh .. duh |
| 10:45.45 | joltcan | or what OpenTokix said |
| 10:45.54 | enouf | ../../networking restart |
| 10:46.01 | OpenTokix | joltcan: ^5 |
| 10:46.02 | Tempus_Fugit | ok i have a 2 part? 1 i have the google G1 android phone am told if i flash it and format it to FAT32 i can gain root access. but linux is ext3 format so is that possible also am told i can fit a full version of debian on my phone what version will fit on a mobile |
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| 10:46.15 | ganesh | i am using debian kernel of version 2.6.26 .. now what i have to do with the source of modem |
| 10:46.18 | enouf | there's no /init.d/interfaces |
| 10:46.19 | Illarane | enouf: It's already installed. |
| 10:46.40 | Illarane | Apparently someone decided to make Debian's implementation of iptables work differently to everyone else's... |
| 10:46.44 | joltcan | piper69: if it's not in /etc/init.d, it should not be restarted |
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| 10:46.51 | enouf | wait ... /me shakes head .. boggles ... bangs head and moves on |
| 10:46.59 | Illarane | ...I should've joined the Navy. :( |
| 10:47.33 | enouf | !find init.d/iptables |
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| 10:48.40 | Tempus_Fugit | guess no one can answer my ? |
| 10:48.53 | enouf | wow - talk about patience |
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| 10:49.36 | enouf | Tempus_Fugit: i don't get itm with fat32 there is no root, nor *nix perms |
| 10:50.11 | dacs | OpenTokix: can you check #flood please |
| 10:50.15 | enouf | Tempus_Fugit: i have vfat partitions that my user or root can read/write to |
| 10:50.39 | Tempus_Fugit | let me find this link brb |
| 10:51.02 | OpenTokix | dacs: pastbin please |
| 10:51.12 | enouf | Tempus_Fugit: i don't know cell phones - try ##linux maybe - see some of those "embedded" systems of linux maybe |
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| 10:52.10 | nirupama | ganesh, ok |
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| 10:52.39 | dacs | OpenTokix: http://paste.debian.net/30759/ |
| 10:52.42 | enouf | ganesh: man dpkg-source or .. you have other source |
| 10:52.48 | Tempus_Fugit | enouf can you look at this for a sec |
| 10:53.12 | Tempus_Fugit | shit wont paste |
| 10:53.22 | OpenTokix | dacs: looks right, however I have never used ppp, the clocked turned 1995 and I threw my modem away |
| 10:53.24 | enouf | don't flood! |
| 10:53.48 | enouf | dacs: issue with kppp? |
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| 10:54.41 | Tempus_Fugit | grrrrrrr |
| 10:54.47 | enouf | dacs: i think the STUPID shit in ~/.kde/config/apps/ and other /etc/ppp-crapola-related dirs are root:root only, or worse |
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| 10:55.24 | enouf | dacs: i noticed specifically when trying to just browse ~/.kde dirs/ once - - i chmod that shit |
| 10:55.29 | enouf | er chown even |
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| 10:55.35 | dacs | enouf: i was able to fix kppp to get an ip and now it is connected , but not able to browse the internet |
| 10:55.52 | enouf | dacs: ahh .. yeah, some shit about CHAT |
| 10:55.58 | enouf | oh |
| 10:56.10 | enouf | dacs: route shows a default gw? |
| 10:56.10 | dacs | enouf: yea, but i don't know what to do |
| 10:56.27 | enouf | dacs: /msg dpkg interfaces ; /msg dpkg resolv.conf |
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| 10:58.37 | enouf | dacs: you might need to research more about ppp/pppoe/pppoeconf etc ... seems the TLS handshake needs a password? |
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| 10:59.16 | enouf | dacs: maybe try ##networking - or some kde related channels too - also ##linux |
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| 11:00.41 | themill | dacs: istr you want the "noauth" options for ppp |
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| 11:02.57 | dacs | themill: i want getting an error in the pppd exit code 1, then as soon as i uncommentted kppp-option to noauth , it worked and i was able to pull an ip |
| 11:04.33 | dacs | themill: but i am not able to load anything from the internet |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'init.d/iptables' returned no results. |
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| 11:05.35 | enouf | oh dear |
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| 11:05.39 | themill | well that's a good start... you need to work out if that's a name server issue or a routing issue. (I have to run away now though) |
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| 11:05.56 | enouf | dpkg is taking a much needed coffee break |
| 11:05.56 | dpkg | enouf: bugger all, i dunno |
| 11:06.03 | enouf | heh |
| 11:06.13 | enouf | dpkg: where were you? |
| 11:06.13 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
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| 11:07.12 | themill | enouf: 0405 dpkg-local-time is dpkg cycle time... (if I have my TZ conversions right) |
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| 11:09.05 | enouf | themill: yes .. it was just .. she took so long to answer .. and i wanted to complain, but she split :-P |
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| 11:14.15 | liable | piper69: aye, whatup |
| 11:14.17 | khaije1 | dpkg is female? |
| 11:14.17 | dpkg | confuses all the nearby males |
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| 11:14.32 | liable | !gender |
| 11:14.33 | dpkg | I'm sexless |
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| 11:15.04 | khaije1 | o ok that would be kind of messed up otherwise |
| 11:15.11 | khaije1 | !OT | khaije1 |
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| 11:18.42 | blindy | is therea hotkey to send program so the background? like executing a program and putting & on the end |
| 11:19.24 | enouf | blindy: you vould just alias the command in your ~/.bashrc |
| 11:19.26 | Maulkin | blindy: a program started from the command line , you mean? |
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| 11:19.31 | enouf | s/vould/could |
| 11:19.34 | ubd | hi |
| 11:19.37 | blindy | yes |
| 11:19.46 | Maulkin | A running one? :) |
| 11:19.49 | blindy | yes |
| 11:19.58 | Maulkin | Aha. Control + Z will pause it |
| 11:20.03 | Maulkin | you can then use 'bg' |
| 11:20.09 | blindy | ok thanks |
| 11:20.39 | Maulkin | (and put it back in the forground with fg, and view jobs with, well, 'jobs' |
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| 11:20.43 | enouf | and 'fg' and 'jobs' |
| 11:20.50 | Maulkin | Have a look for 'bash job control' on google |
| 11:20.56 | enouf | -> late |
| 11:21.06 | Maulkin | !delay enouf |
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| 11:21.17 | Maulkin | Bah, that so should be a factoid |
| 11:21.25 | enouf | indeed |
| 11:22.04 | enouf | 'help jobs' :-P |
| 11:22.13 | enouf | sneaks in a quickie |
| 11:22.32 | blindy | thanks guys |
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| 11:24.25 | enouf | blindy: look for bash process management and also see the GNU screen program for deeper stuffs |
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| 11:28.14 | antiPoP | is there any way to execute a command, but if teh cmmand takes more time than a timeout automatically kill it? |
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| 11:29.26 | p0g0 | antiPoP: launch it and a watcher routine that sleeps for the timeout, then pkills the program if it is still running. |
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| 11:29.52 | antiPoP | and how do I get the pid of the app? |
| 11:30.02 | p0g0 | antiPoP: pkill |
| 11:30.03 | liable | pidof |
| 11:30.15 | antiPoP | mmm |
| 11:30.17 | p0g0 | antiPoP: you don't need it |
| 11:30.19 | antiPoP | interesting |
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| 11:30.33 | antiPoP | I'm tring to make an automated screengrabber |
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| 11:30.48 | antiPoP | so Iwill be continuosly callin konkeror |
| 11:30.50 | andy5635353___ | antiPoP: that sounds very interesting |
| 11:30.58 | antiPoP | but sometimes takes too much time in loading a page |
| 11:31.22 | antiPoP | [andy5635353___] chekc khtml2png ;) |
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| 11:31.42 | andy5635353___ | does it work well? |
| 11:31.49 | andy5635353___ | i use bluga.net |
| 11:32.04 | antiPoP | the issue is that i will run it from php, and php seems tha does nto have a way to timeout a command... |
| 11:32.15 | blindy | when i send jobs to the background, output is still coming through and blocking my view? |
| 11:32.26 | antiPoP | well, this isfor taking several hundres of screens, I can use awebservice |
| 11:32.31 | antiPoP | well, work fine for now |
| 11:32.36 | antiPoP | but sometimes it hangs |
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| 11:32.48 | antiPoP | I can eve run it without a real xwindow with xvfb |
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| 11:33.09 | antiPoP | [blindy] xvfb :) |
| 11:33.50 | antiPoP | my idea is |
| 11:34.01 | antiPoP | doing an scrpit, taht will be called by java/php |
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| 11:34.24 | antiPoP | aand java/php opens a shell each time I run teh script |
| 11:34.28 | jelly-home | blindy: redirect its stdout and stderr to a file (or /dev/null if you don't care) |
| 11:34.30 | antiPoP | so if I set teh timeout |
| 11:34.44 | antiPoP | will be that timeout killed once teh shell is closed |
| 11:34.58 | jelly-home | blindy: foo 2>&1 >/dev/null & |
| 11:35.06 | antiPoP | or it's possible that it will kill teh next shell session? |
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| 11:35.40 | piper69 | enouf: sweet i am using my ppp now |
| 11:35.52 | piper69 | themill: thank you |
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| 11:36.07 | piper69 | thanks to all those who helped me |
| 11:36.29 | piper69 | is wondering if i will have to do all this again on my next reboot |
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| 11:36.56 | piper69 | wb abrotman |
| 11:37.00 | abrotman | hi |
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| 11:37.32 | antiPoP | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/068 |
| 11:38.29 | antiPoP | ok, new question linux PID are alaways higher than teh previous right? |
| 11:38.46 | antiPoP | so it's hard you get a repeteated PID in a short time |
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| 11:39.30 | abrotman | antiPoP: until you loop around .. yes .. but they go incrementally |
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| 11:39.58 | antiPoP | but once you loop aronud they keep growing incrementally, rigth? |
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| 11:40.26 | abrotman | yes, skipping the ones already in use |
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| 11:41.08 | cantoma | hey guys, I have been looking to install chatzilla in my lenny but is not in the repository. I am currently using iceweasel does it supports chatzilla? |
| 11:41.15 | antiPoP | ok, thanks.. |
| 11:41.35 | antiPoP | Well, I think that now I have all I need for my app :D |
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| 11:41.38 | kunal | hello. |
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| 11:41.58 | abrotman | cantoma: why not use some other GUI IRC client? |
| 11:42.03 | kunal | if i download the 1st 2 Debian CD. will i be able to run Debian with GUI? |
| 11:42.13 | abrotman | kunal: the first CD is enough |
| 11:42.22 | peleg | I am trying to run iceweasel, but again and again I get "Iceweasel is already running, but is not..." -- but I don't see iceweasel in "top", or maybe I don't know how to look for it |
| 11:42.22 | cantoma | abrotman: my company blocked the ports |
| 11:42.22 | abrotman | (it has parts of gnome IIRC) |
| 11:42.25 | kunal | ok thanks. |
| 11:42.34 | liable | cantoma: mozilla-chatzilla? |
| 11:42.38 | abrotman | cantoma: what does that have to do with chatzilla vs other irc clients ? |
| 11:42.54 | divad | cantoma:: iceape-chatzilla? |
| 11:42.55 | abrotman | peleg: ps aux | grep wease |
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| 11:43.15 | piper69 | liable: i got it to worl |
| 11:43.16 | enouf | pgrep firepoop |
| 11:43.19 | peleg | abrotman, thanks! |
| 11:43.23 | cantoma | divad: liable both of them don't show in my repository |
| 11:43.23 | abrotman | enouf: that's not helpful |
| 11:43.25 | piper69 | s/worl/work |
| 11:43.32 | liable | piper69: okie |
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| 11:43.42 | abrotman | peleg: you probably could have used killall |
| 11:43.58 | cantoma | divad: liable: apt-cache search doesn't find them |
| 11:44.13 | peleg | abrotman, that's what I do usually, but it's not working now. I do have a process running, but killall iceweasel says "no process was killed" |
| 11:44.25 | abrotman | cantoma: i don't see how using chatzilla will get around the blocked ports but other IRC clients cannot |
| 11:44.31 | divad | cantoma:: sorry, non-official repos here I guess |
| 11:44.37 | piper69 | i have a dumb question, since i never user rc.local if i want to add modprobe -r usbserial can i just /sbin/modeprobe -r usbserial |
| 11:44.38 | divad | anyway, abrotman has a point |
| 11:44.44 | peleg | oh, sorry. I have no process running |
| 11:44.46 | cantoma | abrotman: well then i will have to stick to mibbit |
| 11:44.47 | piper69 | or do i have to put it in " " |
| 11:44.53 | abrotman | piper69: why not blacklist it? |
| 11:45.05 | cantoma | abrotman: my problem is that I cannot access some channel because they block the client |
| 11:45.12 | abrotman | cantoma: you're not answering the question .. what special ability does chatzill a have to get around the blocked ports ? |
| 11:45.22 | liable | piper69: why not just use a line in modprobe.d to load the module with the right option? |
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| 11:45.28 | cantoma | abrotman: i don't i just wanted to try it |
| 11:45.32 | peleg | abrotman, it was the error message that was running... but after closing that one, I have no process with the name wease... |
| 11:45.43 | abrotman | peleg: so restart it ? |
| 11:45.49 | peleg | how? |
| 11:45.58 | abrotman | click the icon? |
| 11:46.02 | cantoma | abrotman: i am not aware of chatzilla capabilities .. but someone has me to try it |
| 11:46.06 | peleg | abrotman, everytime I run iceweasel, I get that same message :) |
| 11:46.19 | abrotman | cantoma: does your company block ports or protocols? |
| 11:46.34 | cantoma | abrotman: don't know as well |
| 11:46.36 | abrotman | peleg: ps aux | grep firef ? |
| 11:46.49 | p0g0 | cantoma: can you ssh out? |
| 11:46.51 | abrotman | cantoma: just asking since freenode allows connections on port 8001 as well |
| 11:46.53 | peleg | abrotman, none |
| 11:46.57 | cantoma | abrotman: i know that xchat doesn't work |
| 11:47.07 | cantoma | p0g0: i can ssh to outside |
| 11:47.10 | p0g0 | cantoma: if you have open ssh ports, run a server outside the firewall, ssh (tunnel vnc if you need a gui) to it and chat from there |
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| 11:47.38 | MrBlone^ | salve |
| 11:47.42 | cantoma | p0g0: don't have a server outside |
| 11:47.46 | divad | cantoma:: you can always try over Tor |
| 11:48.01 | liable | or a web-cgi irc thingo |
| 11:48.05 | MrBlonde | hello |
| 11:48.38 | cantoma | abrotman: i will try xchat with port 8001 as see what happens |
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| 11:49.14 | peleg | abrotman, I also have firefox3 installed here, and trying to run it gave me almost the same message |
| 11:49.15 | cantoma | abrotman: well it stays connecting for ever! |
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| 11:49.25 | abrotman | cantoma: be aware that if they catch you, they could fire you .. fair warning |
| 11:49.35 | cantoma | abrotman: :D |
| 11:49.42 | cantoma | abrotman: i will take the risk |
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| 11:49.57 | jelly-home | (or just ask whether it's allowed ;-) |
| 11:50.27 | cantoma | abrotman: most people here use blackberries to chat all the time .. but the company is worried if they start using their computers for that |
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| 11:51.59 | abrotman | is pretty sure that's not the same |
| 11:52.29 | medecau | i am trying to install debian from a flash drive, following the docs and no luck |
| 11:52.51 | medecau | i am reading these docs: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 11:52.54 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 11:52.54 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
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| 11:53.08 | aleeexfranci | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.23 | medecau | abrotman: i saw that |
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| 11:53.49 | p0g0 | medecau: sidux ( a debian distro) has a very nice install that sets up the USB and then uses that to boot/install. www.sidux.com |
| 11:53.53 | medecau | abrotman: yet it asks for a iso that doesnt exist |
| 11:54.19 | abrotman | p0g0: but that's not Debian |
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| 11:55.05 | p0g0 | abrotman: explain that to me. |
| 11:55.13 | abrotman | p0g0: it's not debian |
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| 11:55.32 | medecau | i have managed to get the flash drive to boot, but instalatiosn stops when it asks for the installer |
| 11:55.38 | liable | uhoh |
| 11:55.55 | johnrw | abrotman: g'morning... I have an 8GB usb drive with just a knoppix.iso and grub4dos that's 'bootable' |
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| 11:57.30 | jelly-home | p0g0: /msg dpkg sidux, /msg dpkg based on |
| 11:57.40 | scibotic | I need to keep a bunch of projects in sync across multiple folders (non-code) can anyone suggest a good solution? |
| 11:57.50 | johnrw | It's even on an ntfs formatted partition... so I can plugit it into people's machines and give it to them. |
| 11:57.59 | abrotman | scibotic: something like rsync not good enough ? |
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| 11:58.16 | abrotman | johnrw: okay, is this going to turn into a Debian question? |
| 11:58.27 | jelly-home | scibotic: why does it matter that it's not code? |
| 11:58.34 | scibotic | abrotman, I'm hoping to hear other alternatives. |
| 11:58.55 | abrotman | scibotic: there are some filesystems in FUSE that look for when files change and can do actions |
| 11:59.03 | peleg | abrotman, do you have any other ideas? I can't use firefox or iceweasel at all... epiphany works, by the way |
| 11:59.21 | abrotman | peleg: paste the output of `ps aux` in paste.debian.net |
| 11:59.27 | peleg | ok |
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| 12:00.41 | enouf | lsof |
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| 12:01.25 | foetus | abrotman: hi, is rsync a good solution to sync conffiles (in /etc) as an sync-backup too? |
| 12:01.38 | enouf | as root ; lsof | egrep 'fire|flash|weasel' ; pstree -lunap is nicel |
| 12:01.52 | foetus | abrotman: and what about diff? |
| 12:01.55 | abrotman | foetus: you can use it, though IIRC there's a package in debian that will track etc changes |
| 12:02.14 | peleg | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/30762/ (thanks) |
| 12:02.16 | enouf | etckeeper? |
| 12:02.22 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:02.24 | johnrw | abrotman: since my last few questions never got answered... I don't ask qwestions... in here. |
| 12:02.40 | abrotman | johnrw: didn't i answer one of your questions two days ago? |
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| 12:02.48 | foetus | abrotman: ah, thanks, i need an solution like this. |
| 12:03.41 | foetus | bye till later |
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| 12:04.21 | abrotman | peleg: did enouf's command show you anything ? |
| 12:04.45 | peleg | hmm? enouf: were you talking to me? sorry |
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| 12:05.00 | enouf | peleg: yes - sorry |
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| 12:05.12 | enouf | peleg: as root ; lsof | egrep 'fire|flash|weasel' ; pstree -lunap is nicel |
| 12:05.15 | abrotman | gives enouf a cup of coffee so he can use nicktab :) |
| 12:05.19 | peleg | enouf, I can't get root here. it's a university computer. |
| 12:05.49 | abrotman | well, he could try it anyways |
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| 12:06.12 | abrotman | he should at least get the ones he's attached to |
| 12:06.15 | peleg | lsof | egrep 'fire|flash|weasel' gives nothing |
| 12:06.46 | enouf | oh well |
| 12:06.53 | abrotman | peleg: isn't there an option to iceweasel to like --force-restart ? |
| 12:06.59 | peleg | pstree -lunap gives a long list |
| 12:07.05 | peleg | hmm |
| 12:07.07 | peleg | I'll check |
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| 12:07.46 | enouf | well .. doesn't epiphany use the ff/ice engine? |
| 12:07.58 | peleg | no. and safe-mode is not working. |
| 12:08.06 | peleg | enouf, I don't think so. |
| 12:08.13 | enouf | !gecko |
| 12:08.14 | dpkg | i heard gecko is the rendering engine of mozilla, or http://developer.mozilla.org/en/Gecko |
| 12:08.34 | peleg | anyway, it's not changing if I close epiphany |
| 12:08.35 | xoz | peleg: you run it in terminal or point and click? |
| 12:08.41 | Jaleks | what is the prefered method of getting a list of all installed packages? i can't believe http://paste.debian.net/30765/ would be the best way... |
| 12:08.49 | peleg | xoz, terminal or Alt-F2 |
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| 12:09.11 | liable | !selections |
| 12:09.11 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup> |
| 12:09.33 | Jaleks | liable: tyvm |
| 12:09.40 | xoz | peleg: ps axf | grep -i fire returns nothing? |
| 12:09.40 | liable | np |
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| 12:10.11 | peleg | xoz, correct |
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| 12:10.24 | xoz | peleg: mv .mozilla .mozilla1 |
| 12:10.37 | xoz | peleg: let us try if it is in the .mozilla problem |
| 12:10.41 | peleg | ok |
| 12:11.34 | peleg | xoz, problem solved indeed. Mozilla's bug, I guess. I had nothing important there anyway. Thanks! :) |
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| 12:12.07 | peleg | abrotman, if you're interested, my problem was solved ^^^ -- thanks. |
| 12:12.11 | xoz | peleg: out of curiosity... can your check the difference? |
| 12:12.21 | peleg | xoz, what difference? |
| 12:12.46 | xoz | peleg: dirdiff old and new .mozilla |
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| 12:13.29 | enouf | wow - the windows weenie rename trick - heh :-P |
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| 12:14.18 | xoz | peleg: maybe it will take time for you to hunt the bug. i think iceweasel uses some kind of semaphore to determine whether it is running or not... like a lock. you can just remove that lock to your old .mozilla to make it work again. |
| 12:14.37 | peleg | appreg vanished, and so does default/ and firefox/Crash Reports and pluginreg.dat and profiles.ini is changed |
| 12:14.49 | xoz | peleg: what you can do while iceweasel is running is to mv .mozilla1 to .mozilla and quit iceweasel. |
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| 12:14.59 | peleg | good idea. |
| 12:15.01 | peleg | thanks |
| 12:15.07 | xoz | peleg: then it should do the cleanup :) |
| 12:15.16 | DeSian | i have this error http://paste.pocoo.org/show/108310/ |
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| 12:15.19 | xoz | peleg: just a theory... but you can test it. |
| 12:15.33 | xoz | likes to test his theory into practice :) |
| 12:15.48 | peleg | :) -- I think I'll do it, then. |
| 12:16.06 | DeSian | i can't install any packages! |
| 12:16.10 | xoz | peleg: good luck! |
| 12:16.26 | peleg | xoz, sorry, it's not working... |
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| 12:17.09 | xoz | peleg: so, it is really a bug maybe. it reports similar error? |
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| 12:17.21 | peleg | yes |
| 12:17.35 | xoz | peleg: that is a nasty bug :) |
| 12:18.03 | peleg | rigth |
| 12:18.23 | xoz | im sure it is deadlock control or something to avoid multiple iceweasels |
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| 12:20.26 | xoz | peleg: i also encounters this with .gnome before especially during upgrade... the local .gnome or .mozilla is no longer recent to the changes because debian installer does not provide mechanism to check whether local home config are still applicable after upgrade. |
| 12:21.03 | xoz | /etc/ configs are ok because there is an option whether to honor the new configs |
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| 12:21.37 | xoz | but home configs are usually preserved although the upgrade requires new home config due to changes in the config |
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| 12:27.56 | rgr | anyone here actively using cpufreqd? I can not get it to switch profiles. |
| 12:28.01 | xoz | peleg: i think the problem is you are using firefox3 and iceweasel. they access same .mozilla and one is not aware of the other... some files are maybe corrupted there. |
| 12:28.32 | peleg | xoz, I am not using the firefox3. It is installed here, but I have never tried it here. |
| 12:28.35 | craigevil | use a different profile for firefox |
| 12:29.04 | xoz | peleg: ok. so we can just blame iceweasel... have you tried google if others have similar error? |
| 12:30.09 | peleg | not yet. But actually at the moment I'll skip that and go back to work... :) |
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| 12:30.43 | xoz | still considers the importance of informing users during a package install if their home config is no longer applicable due to major changes... |
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| 12:31.15 | xoz | thinks debian policy for installation should include this. |
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| 12:31.52 | xoz | this is a major concern during dist-upgrade. |
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| 12:32.55 | craigevil | xoz: i run sid with kde/lxde, haven't ran into any issues with dist-upgrade and configs in ~ |
| 12:33.33 | xoz | craigevil: how long have you been in sid? |
| 12:33.38 | shad0w | rgr: try cpufrequtils |
| 12:34.07 | xoz | craigevil: i encounter this from time to time... not often. |
| 12:34.19 | rgr | what is the link? There is a cross over there. I tried its cpufreq-set but again nothing and can find no info about link to cpufreqd-set |
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| 12:34.39 | craigevil | xoz: 5 yrs since right before sarge was releases, this install is my original install with daily apt-get dist-upgrades |
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| 12:34.58 | shad0w | rgr:apt-get install cpufrequtils |
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| 12:35.21 | craigevil | rgr: take a look at http://technowizah.com/2007/01/debian-how-to-cpu-frequency-management.html |
| 12:35.24 | rgr | shad0w: I know how to install things. |
| 12:35.26 | xoz | craigevil: it is like from kde3 to kde4... it is good if they use different .dir like adding version number so that the old will not conflict with the new major upgrade |
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| 12:35.43 | rgr | see previous comment |
| 12:35.56 | shad0w | rgr: u have installed utils? |
| 12:35.58 | xoz | craigevil: but mozilla for example uses .mozilla regardless of version. |
| 12:36.03 | craigevil | :) i love kde but once kde4 hits sid, im dumping it and moving to lxde |
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| 12:36.12 | shad0w | if so,then man cpufrequtils |
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| 12:36.36 | shad0w | if so,then man cpufreq-set |
| 12:36.43 | zxd__ | how do i go through all the installed packages and print only those that have xfce in their description |
| 12:37.04 | xoz | craigevil: sometimes, it is better to stick with a minimal window manager like *box. the config are simple and there is no desktop. |
| 12:37.26 | xoz | zxd__: apt-cache search xfce |
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| 12:37.34 | zxd__ | xoz, only installed |
| 12:37.52 | xoz | zxd__: dpkg -l | grep xfce? |
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| 12:38.02 | zxd__ | in their description |
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| 12:40.12 | sepult | hey why does ldd exit with some error code when run on /bin/busybox which is static now.... |
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| 12:40.36 | Titek | hi |
| 12:40.38 | shad0w | rgr: have u install acpi-cpufreq? |
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| 12:41.27 | shad0w | rgr:install=modprobe |
| 12:42.01 | xoz | zxd__: aptitude search "~n xfce" | grep "^i" |
| 12:42.07 | rgr | shad0w: as I said - its running. Just can not set. |
| 12:43.12 | rgr | And I dont see/understand the cross over between cpufreq-set and cpufreqd-set, |
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| 12:43.13 | rgr | (lsmod shows it is installed of course) |
| 12:43.13 | DisSsha | HI ! could anyone tell me how Debian check regression system between updates ? |
| 12:43.13 | xoz | misses feta for searching packages |
| 12:43.13 | shad0w | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_use_cpufrequtils |
| 12:43.18 | rgr | shad0w: I can google too. Thanks anyway. |
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| 12:43.59 | rgr | shad0w: that link makes no explanation about cpufreq and cpufreqd tools. |
| 12:44.04 | rgr | that is the issue here. |
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| 12:46.07 | xoz | zxd__: ~n is for name... im not sure for description |
| 12:46.22 | shad0w | rgr: the problem of set is that u dont see the info first |
| 12:46.32 | shad0w | to see the availiable status |
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| 12:47.52 | rgr | shad0w: I dont think thats the issues. Thanks anyway. |
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| 12:48.09 | abrotman | xoz: ~d i thought |
| 12:48.49 | xoz | abrotman: yeah. just found it in the docs. thanks |
| 12:48.59 | xoz | zxd__: aptitude search "~d xfce" | grep "^i" |
| 12:49.08 | shad0w | rgr:if u cant listen,u cant solve...i dont need any thanks |
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| 12:51.25 | xoz | ls |
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| 12:54.51 | shad0w | the difference between the cpufreq and cpufrequtils is that the first is a daemon which has the available governors configured be default,and the utils gives u the opportunity to change them manually |
| 12:55.00 | shad0w | the first can do that also |
| 12:55.15 | shad0w | but with changing configuration on a .conf |
| 12:55.26 | shad0w | the other it's simple commands |
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| 12:56.07 | xoz | zxd__: or aptitude search "~d~i xfce"... but aptitude is not smart enough to just search the installed packages. it still takes time. |
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| 13:00.17 | CharminTheMoose | how can I convert a bunch of mp3 files into .wav? |
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| 13:03.05 | kasimon | Hi! Is it possible to pin all packages from a given source package in /etc/apt/preferences, without listing them? (on etch) |
| 13:03.54 | jetscreamer | !apt-pinning |
| 13:03.54 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 13:03.56 | xoz | CharminTheMoose: sox |
| 13:04.08 | jetscreamer | last line |
| 13:04.40 | jetscreamer | probably applies to oldstable |
| 13:04.57 | jetscreamer | but i don't know |
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| 13:06.21 | gynterk | whats the difference between linux-image-2.6-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 package? |
| 13:06.21 | kasimon | jetscreamer: grepping those links for "source" does not reveal anyting useful. so the answer is "no", i guess. |
| 13:06.43 | gynterk | is linux-image-2.6-amd64 needed to use 2.6.26-1 amd64 kernel? |
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| 13:07.18 | jetscreamer | no it's a metapackage that depends on the latest kernel version |
| 13:07.40 | jetscreamer | minor version |
| 13:07.52 | gynterk | ah, okay |
| 13:07.58 | jetscreamer | !metapackage |
| 13:07.58 | dpkg | i guess metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
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| 13:10.24 | abrotman | gynterk: you're usually advised to use the metapacage for the kernel .. possibly even linux-image-amd64 |
| 13:10.26 | enouf | gynterk: ~$ apt-cache depends linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 13:13.52 | MarcWeber | Which is the way to get sources and patches of a debian package? |
| 13:14.05 | mischief6 | if i am trying to minimize a debian install, is there any particular reason to keep rsyslogd around? |
| 13:14.20 | jetscreamer | why does linux-kbuild take lnger than the kernel or headers to get into sid |
| 13:14.25 | jetscreamer | longer |
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| 13:14.37 | liable | no idea, its damn annoying too |
| 13:14.43 | liable | theres a bug for it |
| 13:14.54 | liable | with less than helpfull replies :( |
| 13:14.58 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 13:14.59 | enouf | jetscreamer: it's ...well, maybe.. nm, forget it |
| 13:15.03 | liable | mischief6: apt-source |
| 13:15.10 | liable | MarcWeber: ^^ |
| 13:16.10 | OpenTokix | gynterk: if you take the -1 image you will have that version until you manually say otherwise, if you the the meta-package it will upgrade your kernel when a new one is out (you probably don't want this on a server somewhere) |
| 13:16.30 | jetscreamer | source.. |
| 13:16.37 | OpenTokix | gynterk: since a new kernel means reboot |
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| 13:16.51 | MarcWeber | liable thank you |
| 13:16.58 | liable | yw |
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| 13:17.10 | abrotman | OpenTokix: gynterk: but unless oyu have a very good reason, you should install/use the metapackage |
| 13:17.20 | abrotman | !tell MarcWeber about source |
| 13:17.24 | OpenTokix | abrotman: yes - like you don't want to reboot |
| 13:17.50 | abrotman | OpenTokix: that's not a good enough reason .. especially since you can stll get an update for your -1- kernel using your method |
| 13:17.55 | enouf | even when there's a serious security fix? |
| 13:17.59 | gynterk | i like my compiled kernels more |
| 13:18.06 | lou_gr | hi. Can you please remind me how I change the default web browser in lenny? |
| 13:18.20 | abrotman | lou_gr: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 13:18.21 | jetscreamer | !alternatives |
| 13:18.21 | dpkg | i heard alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives> |
| 13:18.22 | OpenTokix | abrotman: and if you have binary drivers to that particular version |
| 13:18.24 | jetscreamer | oos |
| 13:18.26 | jetscreamer | ps |
| 13:18.29 | lou_gr | thank u |
| 13:18.31 | abrotman | OpenTokix: you missed what i just said .. but okay |
| 13:18.40 | OpenTokix | abrotman: I would just o with the metapackage |
| 13:18.46 | OpenTokix | abrotman: I just gave a reason |
| 13:18.51 | abrotman | OpenTokix: not good enough |
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| 13:19.02 | jetscreamer | it doesn't force a reboot |
| 13:19.02 | abrotman | buy better hardware :) |
| 13:19.03 | OpenTokix | abrotman: Well, not like I have to prove something to you =) |
| 13:19.10 | OpenTokix | abrotman: I use stock kernel |
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| 13:19.33 | gynterk | imo stock is pointless for a commercial server |
| 13:20.10 | OpenTokix | gynterk: explain? |
| 13:20.11 | enouf | many things are pointless - yet us apes seem to love doing pointless things, don't we? |
| 13:20.19 | OpenTokix | enouf: hehe ^5 |
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| 13:20.44 | liable | speak for yourself monkeyboy! |
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| 13:21.01 | gynterk | its possible to compile kernel aimed to performance specially when you use this server for gamehosting |
| 13:21.06 | jetscreamer | it's john bigbottie |
| 13:21.12 | jetscreamer | bootie |
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| 13:21.28 | gynterk | aka billion-zillion FPS kernel |
| 13:21.38 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 13:21.39 | abrotman | yes, the server highly impacts FPS |
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| 13:22.20 | enouf | tacks on the missing ! |
| 13:22.25 | Alkavan | hay, i need to remove all files called 'lock' from a directory and it's sub directories, what's the command for that? |
| 13:22.28 | MarcWeber | There is a tcng-10b-1 and a tcng-10b-2.diff file. Do I have to apply both? |
| 13:22.33 | Trevelyan | Hi, Why does grip no longer exist after lenny? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=grip |
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| 13:24.53 | Trevelyan | surely thats an oversight? |
| 13:24.54 | abrotman | Trevelyan: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515887 |
| 13:25.26 | OpenTokix | Alkavan: find . --name "lock" --exec rm -f {} \; |
| 13:25.26 | OpenTokix | Alkavan: find . --type f --name "lock" --exec rm -f {} \; |
| 13:25.44 | abrotman | Trevelyan: do you use a DE like gnome/kde ? |
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| 13:27.03 | Trevelyan | yes, and i just looked at asunder and it lacks a lot of things i make use of in grip |
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| 13:27.22 | abrotman | Trevelyan: soundjuicer? |
| 13:27.49 | abrotman | Trevelyan: you could append the buy with your disappointment that it's been removed (and offer to adopt the package) |
| 13:28.05 | abrotman | the bug |
| 13:28.14 | abrotman | repeats .. This is not Ebay |
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| 13:30.30 | Alkavan | OpenTokix, thanks |
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| 13:31.48 | Trevelyan | sound juice again wont let me customise tags and pathname to my liking, but it at least (i think) let my tweak the encoder options, assuming I learn gstreamer-speak... |
| 13:32.28 | Trevelyan | would an unknown be taken as a package maintainer? i doubt there is much to do if upstream is dead |
| 13:32.33 | abrotman | Trevelyan: it was a thought ... i don't use either .. |
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| 13:32.47 | abrotman | Trevelyan: you can still maintain the package and fix bugs .. it's already on gtk2 so that's not an issue |
| 13:32.56 | abrotman | Trevelyan: you'll have to do security stuff ig uess |
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| 13:34.39 | abrotman | Trevelyan: if you're really that interested, append the bug and ask if it's a possibility to adopt it |
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| 13:35.19 | abrotman | Trevelyan: it's not a GUI, but jack has some customizations for tags/pathnames IIRC |
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| 13:37.32 | Trevelyan | Hmm note there is a fork mentioned in the bug report, mp3mesa, but it doesn't look to active on sf either |
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| 13:38.27 | Trevelyan | although jul 2008 is better then grips 2004 |
| 13:38.37 | abrotman | just a bit |
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| 13:39.18 | abrotman | Trevelyan: and there's already an RFP http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=518114 |
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| 13:41.09 | Trevelyan | thats a user asking for the package? and not someone offering to maintain it? |
| 13:41.19 | spersaud | how can you tell debian to reconfigure the network which it does at installation ? |
| 13:41.46 | nkuttler | spersaud: man sources.list? dhclient? |
| 13:41.54 | nkuttler | spersaud: er, man 5 interfaces |
| 13:42.00 | Trevelyan | vi /etc/networking/interfaces ? |
| 13:42.07 | spersaud | heh |
| 13:42.18 | spersaud | ok, I am lazy ... |
| 13:42.25 | nkuttler | !lazy |
| 13:42.25 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 13:42.35 | rexwin | hi all.tailf is not working for me. apt-get install util-linux gives util-linux is already the newest version |
| 13:42.38 | jetscreamer | !efficient |
| 13:42.52 | spersaud | I think I left out allow-hotplug eth0 |
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| 13:43.06 | jetscreamer | i leave it out all the time, on purpose |
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| 13:43.11 | spersaud | do you need that or just iface eth0 inet dhcp ? |
| 13:43.17 | jetscreamer | but that's my old hw |
| 13:43.29 | jetscreamer | you need that or auto eth0 |
| 13:43.32 | jetscreamer | afaik |
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| 13:43.47 | wintix | put "auto eth0" above the iface line |
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| 13:45.24 | spersaud | ohh .. ok one machien doesnt have auto, the other has allow-hotplug, hehe .. this one doesnt have auto , ... nice |
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| 13:47.07 | abrotman | Trevelyan: right, an RFP can be filed by anyone |
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| 13:48.34 | jetscreamer | allow-hotplug works for me one or two reboots after installing debian.. then it doesn't work. so i change to auto eth0 |
| 13:48.35 | morphir | why is there one executable called ping6 and other ping? |
| 13:48.39 | jetscreamer | but that's me |
| 13:48.51 | jetscreamer | probably for ipv6 but i'm guessing |
| 13:49.04 | morphir | maybe |
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| 13:49.36 | jetscreamer | but god knows there are many packages to do the same thing |
| 13:49.51 | jetscreamer | s/to/that/ |
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| 13:50.44 | mquin | morphir: jetscreamer is correct - ping6 is for ipv6 |
| 13:51.17 | morphir | ok, thanks |
| 13:51.23 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show <packagename> |
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| 13:52.09 | ubd | whats the command to erase the disk? |
| 13:52.28 | jetscreamer | there are many |
| 13:52.37 | ubd | all zeros |
| 13:52.55 | jetscreamer | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/something |
| 13:53.08 | avu | useless use of dd \o/ |
| 13:53.40 | jetscreamer | becareful you don't do the whole disk when you meant to do a partition |
| 13:53.57 | ubd | are you sure this dd gonna work |
| 13:54.12 | jetscreamer | if you tell it where correctly i am |
| 13:54.13 | avu | ubd, depends on what you mean by 'erase' |
| 13:54.13 | ubd | it will erase everything completely right |
| 13:54.23 | stew | ubd: yes, but "cp /dev/zero /dev/something" would be faster |
| 13:54.32 | ubd | i want the disk to be not recoverable |
| 13:54.34 | avu | ubd, do you want to prepare a drive for selling? |
| 13:54.39 | ubd | yes |
| 13:54.50 | jetscreamer | who's hd are you erasing is my question:) |
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| 13:54.52 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
| 13:54.58 | avu | then depending on whom you ask and how paranoid they are, writing zeros over the thing once isn't enough :) |
| 13:54.59 | ubd | it is mine |
| 13:55.01 | AlexC_ | is it possible to find out the bytesize of my partitions/filesystem? |
| 13:55.15 | ubd | i know its not enuf but better than nothing |
| 13:55.16 | AlexC_ | er, blocksize even |
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| 13:56.19 | ubd | btw debian business cd do not recognize my eth card |
| 13:56.28 | gynterk | write zeros, make a new part and apply fs to it, write zeros again make new part and apply different fs and repeat it at least 5 times |
| 13:56.48 | ubd | no i will apply it 55 times! |
| 13:56.48 | avu | gynterk, that's an "interesting" approach |
| 13:57.03 | ubd | guy thinks the hd is 1mb |
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| 13:57.09 | jetscreamer | run it through an mri machine then drop it in a vat of molten steel |
| 13:57.17 | dromer | hi all, I'm having some problem getting my pc's network card activated, I just switched the hd from one system to another, but it doesn't recognise the new network-card, actually the system has 2 network-cards which the installer-cd recognises as eth0 and eth1, but I don't want to re-install but have the current-system use one of the cards, how can I do this? |
| 13:57.18 | avu | gynterk, why the fudge would you format it using different file systems between passes? :) |
| 13:57.33 | avu | jetscreamer, no /that's/ a solution with chest hair |
| 13:57.51 | gynterk | jetscreamer, easier to use microwave |
| 13:58.00 | jetscreamer | i left out the bucker of hydrochloric acid |
| 13:58.20 | ubd | does anyone know if can i use a notebook dvd on pc? |
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| 13:58.32 | jetscreamer | i use notebook hd's all the time |
| 13:58.37 | jetscreamer | you just need an adapter |
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| 13:58.44 | ubd | dvd connection is different? |
| 13:58.52 | p0g0 | likes bonfires- nothing like hi temperatures to remove all latent magnetic info. |
| 13:58.56 | avu | dromer, perhaps the cards just got different names than you expect because of <z25>? |
| 13:59.02 | jetscreamer | i 'think' they're like the notebook hd's |
| 13:59.04 | gynterk | ubd, depends on mobo |
| 13:59.04 | jetscreamer | not sure |
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| 13:59.18 | gynterk | and dvd drive |
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| 13:59.45 | fire | hi |
| 13:59.46 | mquin | ubd: if you want a more thorough erase take a look at the 'wipe' command or do a google for "darik's boot and nuke" |
| 13:59.48 | ubd | well i can say its plug is very different |
| 13:59.54 | abrotman | !dban |
| 13:59.54 | dpkg | it has been said that dban is http://www.dban.org/ Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. |
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| 14:00.07 | dromer | avu: I'm not sure what you mean |
| 14:00.15 | avu | !tell dromer about z25 |
| 14:00.25 | ubd | "it can detect" whos darik 5 yold genius? |
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| 14:00.38 | p0g0 | ubd: google scrub |
| 14:01.11 | ubd | 1 more question left |
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| 14:01.53 | ubd | i need to broke down system at an internet cafe, yesterday he made me pay 6$ for 20 pages of print out! |
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| 14:02.10 | jetscreamer | who's hd was this? |
| 14:02.11 | dromer | avu: ok, so I have /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and in that file is 1 eth0 and 2 eth1's o.O |
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| 14:02.35 | ubd | hd is mine! i wont just delete his hds :D |
| 14:02.47 | avu | dromer, so, set it up the way you want to? |
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| 14:03.02 | avu | dromer, or just delete all lines to let debian fill the file again automatically on the next boot |
| 14:03.04 | ubd | is there a good lan virus you have hheard of? |
| 14:03.04 | OpenTokix | I am going to burn dban and write "ubuntu 8.04" on it, leave it laying around the office |
| 14:03.21 | dromer | avu: ok, that will work? I'll save a copy to be sure perhaps .. |
| 14:03.59 | p0g0 | OpenTokix: why bother, just leave the ubuntu disk, it's more subtle. |
| 14:04.03 | avu | dromer, if that is what caused your problems, it'll solve them. ;-) worst thing that could happen is that eth0/1 change places |
| 14:04.05 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 14:04.32 | dromer | avu: ok, I moved the file, made an empty one and will reboot to see what happens :) |
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| 14:04.42 | mquin | OpenTokix: we used to have a couple of DBAN disks configured to autonuke in the office, needless to say they were _very_ prominently labeled :) |
| 14:05.25 | gynterk | hmm rmmod <nicdriver>; modprobe <nicdriver> doesn't do restart for networking |
| 14:05.36 | gynterk | thanks god for ipmi.. |
| 14:06.09 | jetscreamer | ifdown/up |
| 14:06.14 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 14:06.15 | gynterk | yeh |
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| 14:06.39 | dromer | avu: yay, worked :) |
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| 14:06.51 | gynterk | but i still have a problem, why wrong nic drivers are loaded on boot |
| 14:07.03 | OpenTokix | mquin: =) |
| 14:07.07 | jetscreamer | less /etc/modules maybe |
| 14:07.09 | OpenTokix | p0g0: hehe |
| 14:07.12 | jetscreamer | !blacklist |
| 14:07.12 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist'. |
| 14:07.39 | gynterk | jetscreamer, /etc/modules contains e1000e |
| 14:07.48 | icebrain | / |
| 14:07.51 | jetscreamer | is that the wrong one? |
| 14:07.56 | gynterk | if i load manually rmmod e10001; modprobe e1000e it loads correct ones |
| 14:08.06 | gynterk | rmmod e1000e * |
| 14:08.08 | jetscreamer | no idea then |
| 14:08.29 | jetscreamer | blacklist the wrong one |
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| 14:11.35 | jetscreamer | time for wrok |
| 14:11.38 | jetscreamer | :/ |
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| 14:12.32 | gynterk | the wrong one is called e1000e too... |
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| 14:13.19 | kanarip_ | away |
| 14:13.43 | stew | !tell kanarip_ about away |
| 14:13.55 | stew | gynterk: e1000e is both the wrong module and the right module? |
| 14:14.02 | gynterk | yes |
| 14:14.28 | stew | gynterk: perhaps you need to rebuild your initrd? |
| 14:14.39 | kanarip_ | away |
| 14:14.45 | stew | i don't see how else there could be a wrong and right version of the same module |
| 14:14.55 | gynterk | hmm might be |
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| 14:15.02 | stephanhughson | !tell stephanhughson about away |
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| 14:16.16 | stephanhughson | Hi. I've got a quick question about the apt servers. Sometimes when I'm downloading, it goes really fast, then slows to a crawl (like, 100 bytes per second), then speeds up again. When it's going slowly, if I ctrl+C, then start the apt-get command again, it goes really fast again. |
| 14:16.27 | kanarip_ | i'm terribly sorry |
| 14:16.33 | kanarip_ | i'm disabling it right now |
| 14:16.35 | stephanhughson | It happens on many of my Internet connections. Is it some kind of traffic shaping thing? |
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| 14:17.48 | icebrain | stephanhughson: maybe, I know people who have problems like that |
| 14:18.00 | ubd | uh ' forgot the command cp dev zero dev |
| 14:18.22 | stephanhughson | hmm. Are they in the UK? I see it on a 10 meg leased line at work and an 8 meg ADSL line at home. |
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| 14:18.44 | stephanhughson | It also happens in Ubuntu actually |
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| 14:19.06 | petemc | stephanhughson: have uyou tried with different mirrors? |
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| 14:19.31 | stew | ubd: cp /dev/zero /dev/whatever |
| 14:19.36 | stew | ubd: you might also look at shred |
| 14:19.37 | stephanhughson | Yeah, although that should really stop it, or point out that it's definitely my Internet connection. |
| 14:19.54 | icebrain | stephanhughson: no, Portugal |
| 14:19.59 | stephanhughson | I'll check again properly with more mirrors |
| 14:20.13 | stephanhughson | thanks |
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| 14:22.10 | ascent | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.14 | ascent | duh. |
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| 14:22.44 | stonefire | can someone Help me with CUPS I read manuals, searching in the internet: I can reach cups web interface over the specified port i use from every machine in the network and i can also print the testpage, but i cannot add the printer to both systems: Windows Vista, and Macosx 10.4.11 |
| 14:23.13 | jonsmith1982_ | is "dpkg upgrade" ncurses based? |
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| 14:23.56 | jonsmith1982_ | sorry i mean "apt-get upgrade" |
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| 14:24.15 | stonefire | can someone help me? |
| 14:24.42 | gynterk | #cups |
| 14:24.50 | stonefire | thx |
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| 14:25.39 | jonsmith1982_ | will apt-get upgrade allow me to exit before any changes are made? |
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| 14:26.00 | stew | jonsmith1982_: not specifically, but upgrading packages could cause debconf to be run. depending on what frontend you have configured for debconf, it could use ncurses |
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| 14:26.20 | stew | jonsmith1982_: yes, it will tell you what i plans to upgrade before doing anything |
| 14:26.30 | jonsmith1982_ | stew: thanks. |
| 14:27.28 | zand_ | stew: feminist`18f is an on-joim spammer |
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| 14:28.01 | stew | zand_: thanks |
| 14:28.05 | zand_ | np |
| 14:28.10 | ubd | what does feminist mean |
| 14:28.23 | zand_ | i'll let wikipedia answer that |
| 14:28.42 | stonefire | is here someone who can help me with cups, cause noone is answering in the #cupp channel |
| 14:28.47 | ubd | wikipedia = all lies |
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| 14:29.02 | stew | ubd: one who believes in equality of women |
| 14:29.18 | stonefire | ??? |
| 14:29.42 | ubd | of women with men? |
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| 14:30.08 | jonsmith1982_ | does debian only release security and big bug updates for its past versions like slackware? |
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| 14:31.26 | stew | jonsmith1982_: generally, yes. for etch there was also an interim release of a new kernel and X drivers in order to support new hardware, the same is planned for lenny |
| 14:32.16 | stew | jonsmith1982_: if one needs software updates for stable otherwise, there is the official volatile repository (/msg dpkg volatile) or the semi-official backports: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 14:34.57 | Ace2017_- | Is it safe to recursively delete empty directories? |
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| 14:35.19 | SerajewelKS | Ace2017_-: define safe |
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| 14:35.50 | SerajewelKS | Ace2017_-: for example, chuck norris won't jump out of your monitor and kill you if you do |
| 14:36.09 | ubd | leave him alone |
| 14:36.11 | Ace2017_- | safe as in will programs continue to function? |
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| 14:36.26 | SerajewelKS | Ace2017_-: that depends on whether or not the programs expect those directories to be there |
| 14:36.29 | fengor | depends on the programs and if the directories are relaly empty |
| 14:36.35 | abrotman | Ace2017_-: depends which directories and which programs |
| 14:36.50 | Ace2017_- | fengor: well rmdir won't remove anything that has stuff in it |
| 14:36.58 | abrotman | Ace2017_-: that's not the point |
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| 14:38.12 | SURFkees | Anyone know the standard directory structure that is needed to convert a bunch of source files into a debian package? |
| 14:38.14 | Ace2017_- | ok well i'll just run it on my home dir, safer that way |
| 14:38.35 | Ace2017_- | SURFkees: you could use checkinstall |
| 14:38.46 | keith4 | oooh, this is a new one.... every single process showing 99.9% CPU usage |
| 14:38.53 | fengor | SURFkees: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
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| 14:39.29 | stew | SURFkees: it must have a debian directory |
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| 14:39.35 | Ace2017_- | keith4: thats impossible right? unless you have more cpu*cores than you have processes |
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| 14:39.52 | keith4 | Ace2017_-: agreed. I guess top is just confused? http://pastebin.com/d2719512f |
| 14:39.56 | keith4 | maybe it's a xen thing |
| 14:39.57 | SURFkees | fengor, I've read the maintainers guide. It's confusing me to no end. Mind you, I just have a few source files that need to be copied to its destination dir. No compiling is involved |
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| 14:40.11 | SerajewelKS | haha, awesome, php can crash apache due to a stack overflow |
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| 14:40.27 | stew | SURFkees: ask more specific questions then |
| 14:40.44 | fengor | SURFkees: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ap-pkg-eg.en.html#s-pkg-simple |
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| 14:43.20 | SURFkees | fengor, stew, I'm using pdebuild. I want to ignore the rules file if possible and just have it copy the files from it's package to a certain location. At this point, I can't figure out how to make it copy the files. |
| 14:43.34 | stew | SURFkees: the rules file is required |
| 14:43.48 | stew | fengor: it can be very minimal, especially if you use somehitng like debhelper 7 |
| 14:43.53 | stew | err |
| 14:43.58 | stew | SURFkees: it can be very minimal, especially if you use somehitng like debhelper 7 |
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| 14:44.13 | stew | SURFkees: which I believe dh_make would setup for you these days |
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| 14:44.37 | SURFkees | stew, I have a rules file now that does nothing. No compilation is needed anyways, so it has no reason to invoke make. |
| 14:45.02 | hayalci | Hi, while upgrading from lenny, udev package configuration exited with this error message |
| 14:45.03 | hayalci | "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" |
| 14:45.19 | hayalci | I edited /var/lib/dpkg/info/udev.postinst to pinpoint the issue |
| 14:45.38 | hayalci | start-stop-daemon cannot stop udev because there is a defunct udev process |
| 14:45.42 | stew | SURFkees: you must have a rules file that is a makefile if you are trying to make a debian package, it doesn't have to invoke make, it can probably be a 2-3 line file if you use debhelper. youd also need a changelog, control, copyright, install files |
| 14:45.51 | hayalci | How can I continue the upgrade process. |
| 14:46.02 | SURFkees | stew: Yes, I used dh_make and it gave me all those files |
| 14:46.22 | SURFkees | stew: I modified them to my wishes, but it generates a rather big rules file |
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| 14:46.42 | SURFkees | stew: the rules file gives me quite some errors when I run it in it's default version |
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| 14:47.08 | stew | SURFkees: what version of dh_make did you use? |
| 14:47.41 | SURFkees | 0.42 |
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| 14:48.57 | stew | SURFkees: i'd expect you to be ending up with a rules file with only the 3 lines: "#!/usr/bin/make -f" "%" "dh @" |
| 14:49.06 | stew | SURFkees: then you should only need to add a install file which lists the files to install |
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| 14:49.50 | stew | judd: versions dh-make |
| 14:49.51 | judd | stew: dh-make -- etch: 0.42 lenny: 0.46 sid: 0.47 squeeze: 0.47 sid: 0.48 |
| 14:49.59 | stew | SURFkees: you are going to want to use a newer dh-make |
| 14:50.20 | SURFkees | well, I'm building on Etch, for Etch |
| 14:51.37 | SURFkees | stew: the install file you are referring to is "debian/files", yes? |
| 14:51.56 | stew | SURFkees: no, debian/install |
| 14:52.08 | stew | (man dh_install) |
| 14:52.14 | SURFkees | stew: ah ok |
| 14:53.00 | keith4 | can someone else who's running 2.6.26-1-xen-686 / Lenny see if 'top' is confused, too? |
| 14:53.01 | stew | SURFkees: well if you declare a build-dependency on debhelper >= 7, you can use the 3 line rules file i mentioned above, and you should just need to add the install file |
| 14:53.42 | SURFkees | stew: the format of that file is? * /opt/test/ |
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| 14:57.30 | ukl | hello. I recently recognized I always removed packages only, I never purged them. Is there any clever way to get rid of remaining files (except installing again and purging)? |
| 14:57.53 | ukl | (the problem is not rm(1), it is recognizing the unneeded files) |
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| 14:58.55 | litwol|mac | hello |
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| 14:59.41 | litwol|mac | can some one help me figure out which terms i should use in google to find information about how to make my software ask for password? i want to type password into the screen and the letters not to show up on the screen |
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| 14:59.51 | Boohbah | keith4: does 'xm top' work? |
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| 15:00.35 | charlie_lab | hello all ... is it possible/simple to install a real-time kernel for use with debian ? |
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| 15:00.58 | charlie_lab | possibly with apt-get ? |
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| 15:02.11 | stephanhughson | litwol|mac, I think you can do "stty -echo" before your read command |
| 15:02.25 | stephanhughson | and then once you've finished, put "stty echo" |
| 15:02.26 | litwol|mac | man stty |
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| 15:07.07 | keith4 | Boohbah: it's the domUs that are confused. top is fine on the dom0 |
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| 15:09.27 | Ongavezirrke | Ola Holyness brotha'z |
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| 15:10.35 | michele_ | HELP ME FOR AMULE :Current version is: aMule SVN using wxGTK2 v2.8.7 (Snapshot: Mon Feb 18 07:02:15 CET 2008) |
| 15:10.35 | michele_ | Running on: Linux 2.6.24-16-generic x86_64 |
| 15:10.35 | michele_ | [2] ?? in amule [0x4495b5] |
| 15:10.35 | michele_ | [3] wxFatalSignalHandler in /usr/lib/libwx_baseu-2.8.so.0[0x7fe6bbdd986c] |
| 15:10.35 | michele_ | [4] ?? in /lib/libpthread.so.0 [0x7fe6bd2a17d0] |
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| 15:12.16 | keith4 | loves a good flood-kick |
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| 15:15.21 | ascent | crap.. remove distupgrade is tricky. |
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| 15:15.30 | ascent | it failed on the new kernel from 4.5 to 5 :) |
| 15:15.50 | wonderworld | hey, how would i get the current UNIX timestamp ? |
| 15:16.20 | wonderworld | i checked the date manual but couldn't find a format string for this |
| 15:16.23 | ascent | date ? |
| 15:16.23 | ascent | hmm |
| 15:16.29 | valdyn | wonderworld: wtf is "unix timestamp" ? |
| 15:16.42 | stew | wonderworld: "date +%s" add a -u if you want UTC |
| 15:16.47 | ascent | valdyn: epoch.. |
| 15:16.50 | wonderworld | thanks |
| 15:16.54 | ascent | seconds since jan 1st, 1970. |
| 15:16.55 | wonderworld | let me check |
| 15:17.01 | wonderworld | damn missed it in the man page, sorry |
| 15:17.03 | valdyn | ascent: thats not at all obvious |
| 15:17.10 | ascent | valdyn: it is to many ppl :) |
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| 15:21.27 | rpaulson | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en why doesn't this work? |
| 15:21.36 | rpaulson | I tried the "easy way" |
| 15:21.45 | rpaulson | but it won't boot |
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| 15:22.18 | rpaulson | is there some trick I'm missing? |
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| 15:22.40 | valdyn | rpaulson: what did you do? |
| 15:22.58 | rpaulson | valdyn: zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
| 15:23.06 | rpaulson | mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 15:23.29 | rpaulson | cp debian-500-i386-netinst.iso /mnt/ |
| 15:23.33 | rpaulson | umount /dev/sdb1 |
| 15:23.38 | rpaulson | failed. |
| 15:23.51 | valdyn | rpaulson: what failed? the umount? |
| 15:23.55 | rpaulson | no, the boot |
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| 15:24.02 | valdyn | rpaulson: at which point? |
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| 15:24.25 | rpaulson | at point 0 I guess.. the bios just moved on to the next boot option |
| 15:24.36 | valdyn | rpaulson: then your bios isnt even trying to boot |
| 15:24.41 | rpaulson | yes it is |
| 15:24.46 | valdyn | rpaulson: from that usb stick |
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| 15:25.15 | rpaulson | it worked when there was another version of debian on the usb stick |
| 15:25.30 | rpaulson | nothing's changed besides the usb stick |
| 15:25.41 | valdyn | rpaulson: which boot.img.gz is this? |
| 15:25.56 | rpaulson | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 15:26.00 | rpaulson | that one |
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| 15:26.18 | valdyn | rpaulson: simply catting the image to the stick is not enough |
| 15:26.27 | valdyn | rpaulson: you need to make the system reread the partition table |
| 15:26.39 | valdyn | rpaulson: by replugging or via fdisk |
| 15:26.43 | rpaulson | I mounted it on another computer |
| 15:27.25 | rpaulson | so the partition was read successfully |
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| 15:27.31 | rpaulson | partition table* |
| 15:27.35 | pallino | salve a tutti |
| 15:27.36 | valdyn | rpaulson: have you read section 4.3.3 ? |
| 15:27.44 | pallino | !list |
| 15:27.44 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to pallino |
| 15:28.05 | telmich | huu? why is debian lenny (500) using lilo and not grub at installation time (amd64)? |
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| 15:28.10 | rpaulson | valdyn: i will try |
| 15:28.34 | OpenTokix | telmich: does it matter? |
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| 15:29.00 | abrotman | telmich: depends on what other otions oyu choose like lvm/grub/etc |
| 15:29.01 | telmich | OpenTokix: well, I saw it differently in the debian testing installer, thus I'm wondering for the reason |
| 15:29.04 | abrotman | erm .. lvm/raid |
| 15:29.08 | telmich | abrotman: ahh, lvm |
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| 15:30.14 | abrotman | telmich: so i believe if you put / on lvm you end up with lilo .. you'll have to check the docs to be sure |
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| 15:30.38 | telmich | abrotman: that maybe the reason, there were problem with grub1 |
| 15:30.52 | abrotman | telmich: and the installer doesn't default to grub2 yet either |
| 15:30.57 | rpaulson | valdyn: well, something changed.. now the screen displays MBR 1234FA: |
| 15:31.25 | rpaulson | still not the debian install I expected though |
| 15:31.53 | telmich | nice, just installed lenny and now it cannot boot root-fs on an icp-vortex raid |
| 15:32.10 | telmich | hmm...sounds like some initrd order problem, had that once |
| 15:32.32 | rpaulson | hm.. seems "easy way" is not so easy after all |
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| 15:34.55 | ubd | how do ' f'nd out p'd pf a process |
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| 15:35.03 | ubd | i s |
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| 15:37.39 | urezki | ubd: pid ? |
| 15:37.45 | ubd | pid |
| 15:37.54 | urezki | ubd: getpid() returns the process ID of the calling process. |
| 15:38.24 | jelly-home | ubd: which language? |
| 15:38.32 | adb | ubd: are on ubuntu ? |
| 15:38.37 | ubd | turkish |
| 15:38.43 | ubd | well yeah this is ubuntu |
| 15:38.52 | ubd | or xubuntu idk |
| 15:38.54 | jelly-home | !penixstrika ubd |
| 15:38.58 | jelly-home | !penixstrike ubd |
| 15:38.58 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ubd to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 15:39.55 | jelly-home | ubd: in which programming language do you want to find the pid? |
| 15:40.08 | ubd | in terminal |
| 15:40.33 | valdyn | !wayttd ubd |
| 15:40.33 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ubd? |
| 15:40.43 | ubd | i wont tell you that |
| 15:40.58 | valdyn | ubd: youre doing it the wrong way |
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| 15:41.18 | ubd | how do i kill a process |
| 15:41.28 | dondelelcaro | ubd: kill pid; man kill |
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| 15:41.40 | urezki | ubd: look at ps tool, in order to find out pid's, then kill them all, by kill :-) |
| 15:42.06 | jelly-home | urezki: was there anything about kill? |
| 15:42.08 | valdyn | maybe he wants to use start-stop-daemon |
| 15:42.12 | valdyn | or maybe something else |
| 15:42.15 | valdyn | who knows |
| 15:42.33 | ubd | i am copying a file |
| 15:42.39 | ubd | i want to stop it |
| 15:42.48 | valdyn | ubd: ctrl-c |
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| 15:43.10 | jelly-home | steps away, slowly |
| 15:43.10 | ubd | i dont use such shortcuts |
| 15:43.12 | urezki | jelly-home: where? |
| 15:43.29 | valdyn | ubd: thats not a shortcut, thats a shell command |
| 15:43.35 | jelly-home | there: <urezki> ubd: look at ps tool, in order to find out pid's, then kill them all, by kill :-) |
| 15:43.38 | ubd | what does it stand for |
| 15:43.46 | aseaf | linux-kbuild-2.6.28 is not installable in unstable. can anyone confirm this? |
| 15:43.48 | SoulSeller | ... |
| 15:43.59 | jelly-home | aseaf: you're right. |
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| 15:44.04 | aseaf | this kinda sucks as linux-headers-2.6.28-* depend on that |
| 15:44.08 | jelly-home | aseaf: /msg dpkg d-k |
| 15:44.12 | valdyn | ubd: man bash |
| 15:44.20 | ubd | ohdasgavbarqgw |
| 15:44.21 | urezki | jelly-home: <ubd> how do i kill a process |
| 15:44.43 | jelly-home | urezki: ah, I missed that! |
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| 15:45.54 | jelly-home | aseaf: the wiki page tells you how to create a linux-kbuild-* package |
| 15:46.01 | jelly-home | (among other things) |
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| 15:46.09 | ubd | ps does not show much// |
| 15:46.20 | urezki | ubd: try ps uax |
| 15:46.40 | ubd | cool ty |
| 15:46.40 | aseaf | jelly-home: ok, thanks! |
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| 15:48.46 | streuner | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 15:48.46 | dpkg | hmm... blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 15:48.49 | SURFkees | Anyone know how the files list file gets made when building a package? |
| 15:48.54 | SURFkees | I get this error: dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory |
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| 15:49.05 | streuner | shouldnt blacklist.local end to .conf ? |
| 15:49.16 | valdyn | streuner: sure |
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| 15:49.45 | ubd | ns identify bingoman |
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| 15:50.22 | int80_h | can someone point me to updated docs on setting up a VPN? |
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| 15:50.34 | int80_h | I've got lenny installed. |
| 15:50.56 | rpaulson | int80_h: try man openvpn |
| 15:50.57 | ubd | ask int21 |
| 15:50.58 | valdyn | dpkg: blacklist-initramfs =~ s/blacklist.local/blacklist.local.conf/ |
| 15:50.59 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
| 15:51.06 | int80_h | ubd: heh |
| 15:51.14 | valdyn | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 15:51.14 | dpkg | methinks blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
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| 15:53.26 | conner_bw | Hi guys, what version of PHP is 5.2.0-8+etch13 ? (what's the -8+etch13 doing there?) Is it 5.2.0 or 5.2.8? |
| 15:53.36 | jelly-home | valdyn: you've broke it for lenny and earlier! |
| 15:53.46 | jelly-home | broken* |
| 15:54.03 | jelly-home | conner_bw: it's 5.2.0. |
| 15:54.03 | int80_h | hey thanks for the openvpn tip. Should have asked much earlier. I spent alot of time googling into dead-ends. |
| 15:54.14 | valdyn | jelly-home: nah |
| 15:54.22 | valdyn | jelly-home: certainly not |
| 15:54.27 | conner_bw | jelly-home: ... ok, thanks |
| 15:54.39 | jelly-home | valdyn: I know, any filename works |
| 15:55.05 | conner_bw | what does the -8 symbolize? |
| 15:55.27 | valdyn | conner_bw: debian internal version, all basing on the same upstream |
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| 15:55.47 | wald0 | is there a way that i can know which packages are new in lenny that are not in etch ? |
| 15:56.00 | conner_bw | Ok, thanks for your help. Cheers. |
| 15:56.28 | valdyn | conner_bw: etch13 means that its a security / bugfix for etch specifically, that implies alot of restrictions |
| 15:56.29 | wald0 | but in a more "browseable" and userfriendly way... like by sections |
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| 15:56.53 | axz | how to sync time on my server? |
| 15:57.04 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 15:57.04 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 15:57.15 | wald0 | i mean, like to search in aptitude (or synaptic) packages between its sections, the new ones that are in lenny and not in etch |
| 15:57.21 | wald0 | "new in lenny" |
| 15:57.29 | valdyn | i dont think ntp + adjtimex makes sense |
| 15:57.39 | valdyn | openntp + adjtimes or just adjtimes or just ntp |
| 15:57.45 | valdyn | hmm |
| 15:57.50 | ubd | is this a standard com mouse : http://www.flickr.com/photos/julien-mohr/3337961393/in/photostream/ |
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| 15:58.55 | jelly-home | dpkg: set time =~ s/and adjtimex // |
| 15:58.55 | dpkg | OK, jelly-home |
| 15:58.55 | et | thinking about buying it? |
| 15:59.01 | jelly-home | agrees. |
| 15:59.04 | stew | ubd: no |
| 15:59.23 | ubd | stew whats it then |
| 15:59.49 | stew | ubd: its an atari 520 st mouse |
| 15:59.55 | ubd | i do have a 520 st but i dont have a mouse |
| 15:59.56 | valdyn | wald0: get both Packages.gz files, do some parsing till you got one packagename per line sorted and nothing else, diff it to the same result of another Packages file |
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| 16:00.42 | ubd | any com mouse would run with it or not |
| 16:01.05 | stew | ubd: what do you mean by com mouse? you mean a rs232 serial mouse? |
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| 16:01.30 | ubd | yes |
| 16:02.00 | stew | ubd: no, it doesn't have an rs232 port |
| 16:02.05 | stew | ubd: what does this have to do with debian? |
| 16:02.11 | ubd | idk |
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| 16:03.28 | stew | ubd: perhaps you want ##hardware or #atari |
| 16:04.09 | valdyn | atari had no serial port? |
| 16:04.26 | jelly-home | !wtf idk |
| 16:04.27 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what idk means... |
| 16:04.50 | jelly-home | dpkg: and yet you answered it~ |
| 16:04.50 | dpkg | jelly-home: I give up, what is it? |
| 16:04.58 | jelly-home | !botsnack |
| 16:04.58 | dpkg | jelly-home: aw, gee |
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| 16:06.51 | ubd | it has |
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| 16:11.53 | cire | I am using KDE 3.5, with ATI radeon graphics driver with DUALHEAD configuration . A few days ago, after an update, the behaviour of my Windows changed: "Maximizing" now maximizes over BOTH screens, same with fullscreen (Kaffeine etc.). |
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| 16:12.18 | cire | Is there a KDE setting, which changes this behaviour (back to fullscreen on only one screen) |
| 16:12.20 | macsim`work | hi, is it possible to know which sshd_config is use while ssh running ? |
| 16:12.26 | valdyn | cire: so ati changed their drivers to use xinerama by default? |
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| 16:12.46 | valdyn | cire: or were you using xinerama before that? |
| 16:12.52 | cire | no |
| 16:12.56 | cire | valdyn: can't believe that. But I'll check it. Thanks fopr the hint. |
| 16:13.09 | valdyn | cire: could you drag screens accross? |
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| 16:13.19 | cire | (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA |
| 16:13.23 | cire | you were right |
| 16:13.27 | valdyn | cire: nah |
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| 16:13.29 | cire | xinerama gets activated |
| 16:13.31 | valdyn | cire: not necessarily |
| 16:13.36 | cire | no? |
| 16:13.37 | valdyn | cire: maybe that is not new |
| 16:14.09 | cire | but you think it's an ATI issue? not KDE? |
| 16:14.15 | valdyn | cire: i dont know how ATI calls their shit. Anyway, theres 2 similar ways, one is Xinerama, your window manager can be aware of xinerama and choose maximation mode |
| 16:14.45 | valdyn | cire: while in ( nvidia calls it twinview ), your window manager cannot be aware and always maximizes accross both screens |
| 16:15.10 | cire | how may I find out? |
| 16:15.35 | valdyn | cire: i dont know ATI terminology |
| 16:15.40 | cire | KDE is aware of both screens (in control center) |
| 16:15.51 | valdyn | cire: maybe their docs or /var/log/Xorg.0.log can enlighten you |
| 16:16.08 | valdyn | cire: then you just have xinerama and its a kde isseu |
| 16:16.24 | valdyn | cire: could you drag screens accross before? |
| 16:16.25 | cire | Where is xinerama configured? |
| 16:16.30 | valdyn | cire: err, drag windows? |
| 16:16.34 | cire | What do you mean with "drag screens"? |
| 16:16.36 | cire | ahh |
| 16:16.44 | cire | yes, of course |
| 16:16.48 | cire | this worked from the beginning |
| 16:16.51 | valdyn | cire: then you already had xinerama |
| 16:16.57 | cire | are you sure?? |
| 16:17.00 | valdyn | cire: dont mess with X, check just kde |
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| 16:17.07 | cire | ok |
| 16:17.20 | valdyn | cire: xinerama enables this, and you want xinerama and not atis proprietary system, so that part is ok |
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| 16:18.56 | cire | okay |
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| 16:21.16 | cire | thanks valdyn |
| 16:21.32 | valdyn | cire: welcome, unfortunately im clueless about kde itself |
| 16:21.42 | cire | np ;) |
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| 16:26.11 | aseaf | jelly-home: svn has 2.6.29-rc5, not .28 -- any idea where to get a list? |
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| 16:26.47 | jelly-home | aseaf: that's good enough to create a linux-kbuild-2.6.28 using the steps described. |
| 16:26.56 | aseaf | k |
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| 16:28.21 | jelly-home | aseaf: just fix the changelog version when you get to that part |
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| 16:31.18 | neyz | hello everyone, I'm trying to work out some apache stats using mod_status, unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be displaying the right KB/S, it's actually really low when i compare it with apachetop or even iptraf. Does anyone know what could be causing this ? |
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| 16:36.57 | Ryushin | Hey everyone. Is anyone using SID here? Has anyone noticed after a recent update that after awhile, it seems that X does not respond to any mouse button responses. X also seems to start on console 7 but then later somehow moves to console 8. |
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| 16:39.54 | JordiGH | What's a low req media player? For an EeePC. |
| 16:40.08 | JordiGH | I only have two gigs of drive space. |
| 16:40.12 | JordiGH | 300 megs left. |
| 16:40.31 | jelly-home | mplayer? |
| 16:41.10 | JordiGH | Hmm... and I'll need to get Marillat's codecs, right? For wmv. |
| 16:41.30 | JordiGH | wonders if he really needs his porn that badly. |
| 16:41.44 | jelly-home | JordiGH: depends on the media; ffmpeg can decode some wmv but not all |
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| 16:42.08 | jelly-home | can't fit much pron in 300MB anyway |
| 16:42.21 | aseaf | jelly: unfortunately, it built a 2.6.29 sepific package |
| 16:42.32 | aseaf | specific |
| 16:42.40 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Brought about a gig on an external pendrive. |
| 16:42.43 | JordiGH | is on the road. |
| 16:42.53 | jelly-home | aseaf: if you trust random users on irc, http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/linux-kbuild-2.6.28_2.6.28-0jelly1_i386.deb |
| 16:43.57 | jelly-home | aseaf: obviously, it worked for me :-) |
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| 16:43.57 | Ryushin | Is 2.6.29 out? |
| 16:44.26 | Ryushin | Guess not. 2.6.28.8 is out. |
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| 16:45.42 | JordiGH | Is there a good Marillat mirror? I'd hate to bring up his bandwidth costs. |
| 16:46.05 | aseaf | Ryushin: it's the kernel team's svn repo |
| 16:46.11 | aseaf | debian kernel, that is |
| 16:46.29 | JordiGH | He lists a bunch of mirrors, but are they up to date? |
| 16:46.43 | aseaf | jelly-home: not random users, buti do trust you :) |
| 16:46.48 | Ryushin | Oh, a future debian kernel. K. |
| 16:46.49 | jelly-home | JordiGH: why don't you try them and let us know? |
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| 16:46.59 | Ryushin | I guess no one has experienced the issues that I'm having? |
| 16:47.22 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I was asking hoping someone else had already tried them. :-) |
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| 16:47.46 | int80_h | modprobe tun yields no output. Shouldn't this create a tun0 interface? how can I troubleshoot this problem? |
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| 16:48.14 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I had "deb http://debian-multimedia.fx-services.com/ etch main" for a while |
| 16:48.51 | enouf | int80_h: that's the way it works - use modinfo and lsmod to confirm it's inserted if you like |
| 16:48.58 | jelly-home | int80_h: tunctl will create an interface, package uml-utilities, IIRC |
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| 16:49.12 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Why does he only list "stable" for his mirrors? |
| 16:49.16 | enouf | i was going to say uml-tools? |
| 16:49.38 | jelly-home | win me. |
| 16:49.40 | int80_h | enouf: okay it looks like it's loaded. Thanks :) |
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| 16:50.24 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I have no idea. |
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| 16:52.19 | JordiGH | Well, thanks, got it sorted out. I guess I did need my porn that badly. :-/ |
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| 16:52.50 | aseaf | msg dpkg nvidia |
| 16:52.54 | aseaf | ... |
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| 16:53.27 | phantomcircuit | If im dual booting should i install debian before or after win xp? |
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| 16:53.43 | aseaf | after |
| 16:53.47 | phantomcircuit | i assume that if i install win xp after ill have the NTLDR bootloader from win xp |
| 16:53.53 | aseaf | saves you redoing the grub install |
| 16:53.59 | phantomcircuit | alright |
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| 16:54.01 | aseaf | correct |
| 16:54.10 | aseaf | also, you need to isntall XP on a primary artition |
| 16:54.19 | soulinx | hello What the proper order in sources.list?If I change the order of contrib and non-free I can find packages that belong to the one(contrib ) and not in non-free and vice versus |
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| 16:54.43 | Anchakor | hi, how do I generate locales (when I changed /etc/locales.gen)? |
| 16:54.44 | aseaf | soulinx: that is extremely unlikely |
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| 16:55.08 | soulinx | aseaf: apt-cache search lastcomm gives you any packages? |
| 16:55.10 | mosty | soulinx: pastebin your config- there's most likely a typo in there somewhere |
| 16:55.13 | cahoot | Anchakor: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:55.13 | aseaf | (read: impossibne) |
| 16:55.26 | aseaf | !find lastcomm |
| 16:55.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lastcomm' (1): (/usr/bin/lastcomm) in admin/acct. |
| 16:55.46 | aseaf | !tell soulinx about search |
| 16:56.03 | Anchakor | cahoot: thanks |
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| 16:56.30 | soulinx | aseaf: yeah but mine does not give any search results |
| 16:56.53 | soulinx | moment for pastebin |
| 16:57.54 | soulinx | aseaf: http://rafb.net/p/nZ4LBB85.html |
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| 16:59.55 | soulinx | aseaf: do you see any typo?because I don't think there are. |
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| 17:01.12 | dark_templar_86 | hi |
| 17:01.21 | dark_templar_86 | i need some help |
| 17:01.21 | argnl | is there any up to date documentation for font configuration? |
| 17:01.39 | Lns | !question |
| 17:01.44 | Lns | hrmm... |
| 17:01.46 | Lns | !help |
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| 17:01.53 | WormFood | there is no sid installer is there? Do I have to install testing or stable, or what, and update? I've done it before, but not recently....just checking to make sure no major changes have happened. |
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| 17:02.08 | enouf | Lns: /msg dpkg ask ? |
| 17:02.31 | Lns | enouf: :) thx |
| 17:02.43 | enouf | WormFood: not really - install squeeze then upgrade i guess |
| 17:02.50 | Lns | dark_templar_86: just ask your question - if anyone knows we'll speak up |
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| 17:03.15 | dark_templar_86 | 10 |
| 17:03.15 | WormFood | that is what I remember doing...I was hoping there would be a dedicated sid installer by now |
| 17:03.23 | Maulkin | !ping |
| 17:03.23 | dpkg | pong |
| 17:03.26 | aseaf | soulinx: sorry, i am on the console and can't copy & paste |
| 17:03.36 | dark_templar_86 | i have a Asus X80 - Cel2.0/2Gb/GMA3100 |
| 17:03.43 | aseaf | well, i can, but my mouse is broken |
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| 17:03.47 | enouf | WormFood: businesscard.iso and netboot might be something you wish to check out, along with expert mode |
| 17:03.51 | dark_templar_86 | with Atheros wifi |
| 17:03.54 | Jabamiah | is debian a good choice for a linux beginner? |
| 17:03.57 | soulinx | aseaf: copy paste what? |
| 17:04.13 | aseaf | the links |
| 17:04.17 | aseaf | Alink* |
| 17:04.21 | soulinx | Jabamiah: excellent |
| 17:04.21 | dark_templar_86 | on debian 5 i dont have |
| 17:04.32 | dark_templar_86 | wpa2 and wpa |
| 17:04.34 | Jabamiah | now I am ubuntu user |
| 17:04.44 | dark_templar_86 | and cant connect to routers here |
| 17:04.45 | WormFood | Jabamiah, it depends on what level of beginner you are...I came from a unix background, so debian was suitable for me as a linux beginner |
| 17:05.11 | Lns | dark_templar_86: apt-cache search wpa |
| 17:05.12 | WormFood | honestly, I started with redhat, back in '95 |
| 17:05.15 | cahoot | dark_templar_86: must a local problem |
| 17:05.24 | WormFood | but debian would have been even better for me back then |
| 17:05.33 | dark_templar_86 | yeah but with ubuntu and the same driver |
| 17:05.36 | JordiGH | <--- Debian '01 |
| 17:05.38 | cahoot | dark_templar_86: must be a local problem - both work fine here on lenny |
| 17:05.45 | dark_templar_86 | there s no problem |
| 17:05.48 | JordiGH | Fuck, eight years with Debian. |
| 17:05.53 | JordiGH | feels old, suddenly. |
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| 17:05.56 | WormFood | I think I started running debian in '03 or '04 |
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| 17:06.06 | WormFood | before that, I was running LFS from about '99 |
| 17:06.08 | soulinx | aseaf: lynx doesn't work? |
| 17:06.26 | JordiGH | Oh, running? Yeah, '03. I started using it in '01, though. Someone else was sysadminning it for me back, then, though. |
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| 17:06.55 | jelly-home | WormFood: by '96 Debian was doing well |
| 17:06.58 | WormFood | but I've been running unix-like OSes since the mid-late 1980s |
| 17:07.06 | JordiGH | still thinks that this is the best intro to GNU/Linux: have someone else sysadmin it for a while, and then dive in yourself. |
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| 17:07.32 | WormFood | the thing about linux is....it really is easy to use....the down side it is hard to learn |
| 17:07.32 | JordiGH | WormFood: 386BSD? |
| 17:07.45 | worr | WormFood: Hurd? |
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| 17:08.15 | WormFood | no JordiGH, I started with an OS called OS-9, on the 6809 CPU, then moved up to OS9/68000 in the early 90s |
| 17:08.26 | WormFood | or, as we called it, OSK |
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| 17:08.48 | dark_templar_86 | cahoot: how could i check |
| 17:08.55 | dark_templar_86 | whats the problem |
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| 17:09.03 | WormFood | http://wormfood.net/old_computers/ here are some pics of my OS-9/68000 based computer, with an OSK screen shot |
| 17:09.06 | JordiGH | Alright, now I need a UI for mplayer. |
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| 17:09.15 | here4thegear | Hi all. I have apache2, I can go to my server ip in browser and get served a page. I went to godaddy and set up NS1.site.com NS2.site.com then made site.com use those name servers. I can not go to site.com (page can not be displayed)... the vhost in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default starts with <virtualhost *:80> this is the default file that came on installation. do I need to set something up on debian that says "I'm expecting |
| 17:09.24 | JordiGH | 'Cause I'm not gonna be digging through the manpage each time I need to fast forward to the action. |
| 17:09.29 | wald0 | valdyn: i wonder if there's not a more automatized way... im the only to want a similar feature ? |
| 17:09.29 | WormFood | the gimix at the url could run OS9/6809, but I never had that one running, I just have it for historical reasons |
| 17:10.34 | cahoot | dark_templar_86: what device is this? |
| 17:10.57 | dark_templar_86 | Atheros 5007 |
| 17:11.24 | dark_templar_86 | i downloaded driver from the madwifi cvs |
| 17:11.35 | dark_templar_86 | because current not works at all |
| 17:11.37 | here4thegear | as an added bonus to the above, site.com used to be hosted somewhere else, this why I'm sure that the ns registration at godaddy has actually taken effect. Otherwise, I would be seeing the old site |
| 17:11.50 | dark_templar_86 | in ubuntu everything's fine |
| 17:11.55 | dark_templar_86 | but woth debian |
| 17:12.19 | dark_templar_86 | i dont see wpa options in gnome network manager |
| 17:12.23 | worr | I think that's because the ath5k kernel module in the current debian kernel is broken-ish |
| 17:12.25 | jelly-home | here4thegear: what's the real domain and host name? |
| 17:12.27 | dark_templar_86 | only ewp |
| 17:12.37 | worr | dark_templar_86: I used madwifi on my netbook too |
| 17:12.40 | here4thegear | findacourt.com |
| 17:12.40 | dark_templar_86 | wep |
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| 17:12.55 | dark_templar_86 | i tried kwifi |
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| 17:13.05 | JordiGH | 400 megs left. |
| 17:13.11 | JordiGH | I could fit Wesnoth there! |
| 17:13.12 | here4thegear | and the ns are ns1.findacourt.com and ns2.findacourt.com |
| 17:13.19 | dark_templar_86 | and still cant use wpa |
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| 17:13.22 | JordiGH | Too bad I can't fit it into the screen, though. :-( |
| 17:14.22 | jelly-home | here4thegear: "dig findacourt.com. soa" and "dig findacourt.com. ns" fail for me |
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| 17:15.16 | here4thegear | jelly-home: ok, no clue what that means... whois finds them find though |
| 17:15.34 | jelly-home | here4thegear: basically it means "dns doesn't work" |
| 17:16.17 | here4thegear | jelly-home: ah, ok, so, I need to do something in debian to get it to work? |
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| 17:16.45 | jelly-home | here4thegear: do you have control of your DNS servers? |
| 17:16.47 | here4thegear | do I need to install some sort of DNS handling? |
| 17:17.50 | jelly-home | here4thegear: probably not, if you're merely using your provider's DNS servers. |
| 17:17.54 | here4thegear | jelly-home: I have controll of the server. yes. root access and all.. I didn't know that it needed to be set up specifically to be a dns server though |
| 17:19.31 | jelly-home | here4thegear: so, just to be sure, ns1.findacourt.com. (66.160.197.69) is under your control? |
| 17:20.06 | here4thegear | jelly-home: yes, that ip address is under my control |
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| 17:20.27 | jelly-home | here4thegear: you'll have to install and set up a DNS server, then. |
| 17:21.32 | WormFood | I want to ask before I try this and fuck up my partition....I have a hard drive with partition 4 as data I want to keep....partitions 1-3 I don't care about. I want to make 1-3 as normal partitions, and 4th partition slot as an extended partition.....I should be able to do this without losing my 4th partition, deleting all partitions, and making an extended partition, with the right start and end sector, that is the same as the original 4th partition |
| 17:21.32 | WormFood | , right? |
| 17:21.35 | here4thegear | jelly-home: great... could you point me to a good tutorial that is debian specific? |
| 17:22.17 | here4thegear | your help is appretiated, but, I don't want to make you walk me through it either. |
| 17:22.45 | jelly-home | here4thegear: I have no idea about a decent tutorial, sorry |
| 17:23.03 | here4thegear | jelly-home: thanks, I'll use some google fu ;) |
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| 17:24.16 | enouf | WormFood: backup data on p4 ; wipe ; delete ; create new parts; cp back data |
| 17:24.29 | enouf | WormFood: use atleast sfdisk -d .... prior ;-) |
| 17:24.38 | WormFood | I don't have space to back up that partition |
| 17:24.42 | WormFood | it is a 500 gig partition |
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| 17:24.57 | WormFood | I think I can do it the way I described, but don't want to put my data at risk |
| 17:25.16 | WormFood | maybe I'll try it with the 3rd partition, and see how it acts, since that has data on it, that I don't care about. |
| 17:25.26 | worr | WJOIN #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:26.09 | enouf | WormFood: so right now there's only 4 primaries, yes? |
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| 17:26.34 | aivar | should 2.6.28 work with stable if i compile it with kernel-package? |
| 17:27.08 | enouf | it should without even having to compile |
| 17:27.08 | WormFood | well, this is sorta odd...I had 4 primary partitions, and wanted to install winblows on one partition, but it wouldn't let me....so I deleted the first 2 partitions, and created a new partition in the winblows installer, and now when I boot linux, it reports the last 2 partitions as sda3/4 |
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| 17:27.31 | WormFood | er, I mean sda2/3 |
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| 17:27.42 | enouf | ... |
| 17:27.46 | WormFood | where before I touched it with windows, it was partitions sda3/4 |
| 17:27.48 | aivar | enouf: really... |
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| 17:28.01 | egz | i'm building a .deb and am curious about how to specify an /etc/init.d/* script to be installed and added to the default runlevel |
| 17:28.18 | WormFood | I'm 99% sure I can do it the way I described without losing data |
| 17:28.30 | WormFood | I was just hoping to get someone else to backup that idea |
| 17:28.36 | mosty | egz: i think you should use update-rc.d in your postinst |
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| 17:28.50 | dacs | howdy folks , back again |
| 17:28.50 | WormFood | I don't want to move the data...I just want to move the partition from a primary to extended partition |
| 17:28.58 | egz | mosty, ok, that's what i was going to do but couldn't tell if there was a predefined way to do it in the control file |
| 17:29.10 | egz | mosty, that script should just be debian/postinst ? |
| 17:29.10 | aivar | backports? |
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| 17:29.42 | jpinx | WormFood: installing windows usually means that windows grabs the entire hard drive |
| 17:29.57 | mosty | egz: perhaps you could examine a .deb that does it to be 100% sure, but i just use the method i mentioned |
| 17:30.03 | egz | ok, thanks |
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| 17:30.30 | dacs | question |
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| 17:30.58 | WormFood | jpinx, thanks, but I'm quite aware how winblows works, and now to make it not grab the entire hard drive....I did in fact install it to a partition and not the entire drive (but have since erased it |
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| 17:32.23 | dacs | what will replace adobe reader, Visio, photoshop, dvdshrink, nero dvd/cd burner, MS office and mp3 editor in lenny? |
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| 17:33.12 | WormFood | dacs, you can replace adobe reader with adobe reader, nero with nero, photoshop with gimp |
| 17:33.35 | WormFood | there is a visio type program for linux, but don't remember the name....and you can use open office to replace microsuck office |
| 17:33.49 | petemc | dia |
| 17:34.00 | mrwick | dia rulz |
| 17:34.12 | xoz | visio with xfig, transfig, tgif |
| 17:34.13 | WormFood | and for dvdshrink....I believe there are tools to do the same thing, but not 100% sure |
| 17:34.18 | stew | dacs: evince, dia, gimp, nothing, widom, openoffice.org, nothing |
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| 17:34.33 | stew | there are not tools to do what dvdshrink does in lenny |
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| 17:34.43 | WormFood | if you still need to use some Linux based programs, you can use tools like vmware....and I forget the other open source tools that do the same thing...and wine |
| 17:35.01 | WormFood | yeah, dia...that is the one to replace visio |
| 17:35.11 | vinc456 | my sound seems to have stopped working after upgrading from etch to lenny :( |
| 17:35.17 | stew | (its a poor replacement, but its as good as it gets probabaly) |
| 17:35.21 | WormFood | there are linux versions of adobe acrobat, and nero |
| 17:35.24 | xoz | prefers xfig/tgif over dia |
| 17:35.41 | WormFood | yeah, that was the other one I remember using...xfig |
| 17:35.45 | vinc456 | i can get it to work until next reboot with alsaconf, but if i ever shutdown or reboot the sound stops working again |
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| 17:36.50 | Zvpun | echo 1 | less -F doesnt show "1" but echo 1 |less -FX does, can you help me understand that please? |
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| 17:38.05 | gravity | also likes xfig better than dia |
| 17:38.24 | WormFood | interesting Zvpun, it works for me on knoppix, but not debian |
| 17:38.40 | Zvpun | yes, I dont get it |
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| 17:39.25 | WormFood | don't get it either...makes no sense |
| 17:39.38 | WormFood | maybe it is some stupid debian patch the maintainers decided to make |
| 17:39.42 | xoz | Zvpun: -F will not work if you have less than 1 full-screen, X is irrelevant |
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| 17:39.54 | ahh | hi |
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| 17:40.01 | WormFood | it appears that -F does not work on debian less |
| 17:40.07 | ahh | i need 100% sure answer what is it: http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9031/1235922680401.jpg ? |
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| 17:40.32 | jelly-home | ahh: It's not debian! |
| 17:40.34 | Zvpun | xoz: -F is supposed to handle less than 1 full-screen, and X changes it from non working (-F) to working (-FX) |
| 17:40.35 | xoz | man less ... -F or --quit-if-one-screen |
| 17:40.38 | stew | ahh: wrong channel |
| 17:40.38 | jelly-home | ahh: 100% |
| 17:40.50 | ahh | :), but what is it |
| 17:40.51 | Zvpun | xoz: its the whole point of -F to display less then 1 screen |
| 17:41.06 | stew | ahh: do you have a debian related question? if not, please take it elsewhere |
| 17:41.06 | xoz | Zvpun: it is reversed. |
| 17:41.14 | ahh | ok |
| 17:41.19 | xoz | Zvpun: try ls -R |less -F |
| 17:41.39 | WormFood | this does not make sense Zvpun, it works in the console but not x11....just like you said |
| 17:41.49 | xoz | haha |
| 17:41.57 | Zvpun | xoz: I dont understand what you are saying -F is supposed to show 1 page if the input is less then one |
| 17:42.21 | WormFood | if input is less than 1 page |
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| 17:42.49 | Zvpun | xoz: -F is quit if one screen |
| 17:42.50 | WormFood | and I tried it on knoppix console, but not gui |
| 17:42.55 | xoz | Zvpun: man less... it says -F means quit if one screen |
| 17:43.13 | Zvpun | xoz: Yes and i am complaining that it doesnt show the one page |
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| 17:43.23 | Zvpun | xoz: that is exactly my point |
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| 17:43.28 | WormFood | right xoz....if it is less than 1 screen full, then what is the point in being able to scroll the text? |
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| 17:43.48 | Zvpun | xoz: I assume you expect it to show nothing in that case which is pointless |
| 17:43.50 | xoz | Zvpun: ok |
| 17:44.17 | Zvpun | the goal is to make less behave like cat if it fits on the screen |
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| 17:44.21 | WormFood | the man page suggests it would show nothing, but I know that is not what they are trying to convey |
| 17:44.39 | Zvpun | showing nothing would be stupid, its to have a smarter cat |
| 17:44.47 | xoz | it is what the manpage says... literally :) |
| 17:44.48 | WormFood | no |
| 17:44.52 | WormFood | it is to have a smarter "more" |
| 17:44.55 | sylar | by grub doesn't recognize my file system because it is on mdadm raid1 |
| 17:45.04 | sylar | anyone know what I should do? |
| 17:45.12 | Zvpun | so what is the problem, and how can I fix it? |
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| 17:46.03 | WormFood | no fuckin' clue Zvpun, but it is odd |
| 17:46.17 | mosty | sylar: what happens when you try to install grub? |
| 17:46.56 | dondelelcaro | Zvpun: then use -FX |
| 17:47.00 | sylar | mosty, by grub-install /dev/sda nothing special happen afaik |
| 17:47.11 | mosty | sylar and what happens when you boot? |
| 17:47.11 | dondelelcaro | Zvpun: or alter the de-initialize string to stop clearing the screen |
| 17:47.21 | sylar | mosty, when I try with grub; setup...; I get error 17 |
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| 17:47.37 | sylar | mosty, on boot I get error 17 |
| 17:47.55 | mosty | sylar: and what does error 17 mean, when you check grub's website? |
| 17:48.13 | sylar | 17 : Cannot mount selected partition |
| 17:48.14 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.33 | mosty | sylar: what filesystem are you using? |
| 17:48.44 | sylar | ext3 on mdadm raid1 |
| 17:49.25 | mosty | is your partition table correct? |
| 17:49.51 | sylar | mosty, lets see, you mean fstab? |
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| 17:50.24 | mosty | sylar: no, i mean the partition table- the thing you see in fdisk |
| 17:50.49 | sylar | ah |
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| 17:51.05 | sylar | I think it is correct |
| 17:51.05 | Zvpun | dondelelcaro: but I like it to clear the screen on more than 1 page data. |
| 17:51.35 | dondelelcaro | Zvpun: then you'll have to ask for a wishlist feature to add an option to behave like -X when there's only one page |
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| 17:51.43 | sylar | mosty, /dev/sda2 * 19418 19457 321300 83 Linux |
| 17:52.44 | Zvpun | dondelelcaro: are you saying -F works as it should and isnt broken? Because to me it looks like -F should do that already. |
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| 17:53.33 | dondelelcaro | Zvpun: all that -F does is cause less to exit if it displays less than a screen of data |
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| 17:53.51 | dondelelcaro | Zvpun: it doesn't make any claims as to whether that's useful or not |
| 17:54.27 | WormFood | dondelelcaro, try that in a console and and an x11 terminal, and see if it don't act differently for you |
| 17:54.58 | dondelelcaro | WormFood: sure, it's certainly terminal specific |
| 17:54.59 | PiousMinion | Anyone know of any form/application creation software for linux? |
| 17:55.11 | WormFood | why/how would it be terminal specific |
| 17:55.13 | dondelelcaro | WormFood: that's because the terminal initalization and deinitialization strings are different for each terminal |
| 17:55.30 | WormFood | and isn't the x11 terminal supposed to act mostly like a console for most things? |
| 17:55.33 | gravity | PiousMinion: You can use any programming language to make an application. Do you mean something more specific? |
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| 17:55.46 | dondelelcaro | WormFood: there's no such thing as an X11 terminal |
| 17:55.56 | dondelelcaro | WormFood: there's xterm, rxvt, gterm, etc. |
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| 17:56.09 | WormFood | you know what I mean |
| 17:56.21 | PiousMinion | gravity: I'm referring to printable forms one would fill out with a pen. :P |
| 17:56.30 | WormFood | I'm not stupid, I understand that, I'm just saying it in easy-to-understand terms |
| 17:56.41 | gravity | PiousMinion: Why not just use OpenOffice.org's writer? |
| 17:57.01 | gravity | LaTeX may have something to do that also |
| 17:57.04 | dondelelcaro | WormFood: and no, it's not. the linux terminal has an entirely different set of features that it supports than xterm, which is also different from v102, FE. |
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| 17:57.36 | WormFood | Zvpun, if you try it in screen, it works as expected |
| 17:57.45 | PiousMinion | gravity: OOo may be what I fall back to, but I was hoping for something more robust. LaTeX? might have to google that one. |
| 17:58.07 | WormFood | it still makes no sense it would work in screen and console, but not an x11 terminal program |
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| 17:58.40 | enouf | WormFood: i want to say man console_codes ...but i won't :-P |
| 17:58.49 | Zvpun | WormFood: its the same with -X console and screen, if you use any of it echo 1|less shows the 1 but ls -R |less doesnt clean the screen and leaves a mess |
| 17:58.58 | gravity | PiousMinion: Is there a comparable software on Windows or something to compare to? I'm a little confused. I've only done such things in word processors before |
| 17:59.14 | adama | use ctrl-l to clean your console? |
| 17:59.41 | johndoe | can you guys give me a link to a good guide for compiling the kernel |
| 17:59.43 | Zvpun | IMHO -F is useless, although it behaves as described the feature itself is not usable |
| 17:59.44 | PiousMinion | gravity: Well, the big name would be MS InfoPath. I don't know of any others. |
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| 18:00.07 | NOke | hi |
| 18:00.11 | dondelelcaro | Zvpun: again, see #508919. -F without -X isn't terribly useful |
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| 18:00.47 | WormFood | Zvpun, clearly you need to use the -X option...as the man page says |
| 18:01.07 | urezki | johndoe: actually there are so much information about how to compile even configure the kernel, just try too google. |
| 18:01.11 | Zvpun | WormFood: yes, but that wont clean the screen with large data |
| 18:01.12 | NOke | i have two ISPs to my server. the idea is use 1 for internet access and the other only for VPN conections. BUt the performance for the VPN clients, is the same when i was using only 1 isp |
| 18:01.14 | mosty | sylar: have you tried installing grub to the partition instead of the MBR? |
| 18:01.14 | dondelelcaro | Zvpun: there's some argument that using -F should avoid running the deinitialize routine, but there are problems with that as well. |
| 18:01.22 | WormFood | it does work as described Zvpun, it just does other things you don't want it to do, so you can customize how it works with -X |
| 18:01.30 | mosty | sylar: and can you pastebin your menu.lst ? |
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| 18:01.47 | WormFood | Zvpun, yes, I agree, it is totally stupid...but that is how it works |
| 18:01.53 | johndoe | urezki: i ask for a good guide. i can find guides myself, but most of them are broken/confusing |
| 18:01.54 | icebrain | NOke: so your ISP is not the bottleneck, maybe the VPN server is... |
| 18:02.23 | ringo999 | how can i find out the manufacturer of my cd-rom. dmesg|grep CD-ROM gives me "uniform CD-ROM driver" ... |
| 18:02.27 | sylar | mosty, 1=no, 2=I can, but I didn't get to the shell, so is it relevant? |
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| 18:02.41 | NOke | icebrain My vpn server is a windows behind the router. i do a test with a second router, and work perfect |
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| 18:03.04 | enouf | ringo999: grep ATAPI /var/log/dmesg ; hdparm -I /dev/cdrom |
| 18:03.05 | NOke | the problem is when i use the linux to connect that second ISP to publish the VPN |
| 18:03.13 | abrotman | PiousMinion: you're just making paper/pen forms? inkscape maybe? |
| 18:03.15 | xoz | Zvpun: then just run it inside screen :) |
| 18:03.41 | icebrain | NOke: sorry, can't help you |
| 18:03.47 | PiousMinion | abrotman: I thought that was a vector graphics app? |
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| 18:04.07 | NOke | icebrain: thaks :) |
| 18:04.09 | WormFood | Zvpun, so what is the problem with it not clearing the screen if it is more than 1 screen of data? as anything else will scroll off the screen |
| 18:04.14 | Zvpun | xoz: wont solve it, it wont clean once it displays alot |
| 18:04.29 | NOke | some body here use dual isp connections? |
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| 18:04.51 | Zvpun | WormFood: echo 1| less -F # I want it to show 1; ls -R |less # I want it to not show data, once I quit it. |
| 18:04.51 | dondelelcaro | !tell NOke -about lartc |
| 18:05.01 | gravity | PiousMinion: Yeah, I don't know if I've ever seen anything like that before |
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| 18:05.17 | dondelelcaro | NOke: what dpkg told you almost certainly will answer the question that you're going to ask |
| 18:05.41 | WormFood | it does not show data for me Zvpun, when I do that |
| 18:05.42 | enouf | ringo999: for much more varied system info; /msg dpkg what's my hardware |
| 18:05.53 | ringo999 | enouf: thanks! |
| 18:05.56 | dondelelcaro | WormFood: it won't show the 1, either |
| 18:06.01 | NOke | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 18:06.29 | WormFood | oops, I was testing it without the -X option |
| 18:06.29 | urezki | johndoe: good guide... i have never seen that, just small articles. Who knows, maybe there are, good guides. |
| 18:06.34 | Zvpun | WormFood: ls -R | less cleans its output for me |
| 18:06.51 | WormFood | Zvpun, run it in screen, or modify the less source code |
| 18:06.58 | dondelelcaro | Zvpun: in any event, the bug is there, so feel free to expand on #508919 asking for a new feature to avoid running the de-initialization code when -F is run |
| 18:07.00 | WormFood | I agree, it is totally stupid how it acts |
| 18:07.01 | gravity | PiousMinion: glom is a filemaker-type program that might be able to do what you want. |
| 18:07.31 | Zvpun | dondelelcaro: I am still reading the pointer you provided, I am just not taht fast |
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| 18:08.05 | PiousMinion | gravity: looks very interesting, but doesn't look like it would be well suited for printing the forms out. |
| 18:08.25 | WormFood | enouf, I got it figured out (my partitions)....it appears the extended partition fucks up the start of the first partition, but not the end. |
| 18:08.57 | gravity | PiousMinion: Yeah, I've never heard of a need for this before. You may have to dig around a bit on sourceforge/freshmeat/google code/etc to see if there is anything |
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| 18:09.14 | jafn | how i can configure my host name for ssl? |
| 18:09.18 | WormFood | so if I delete my partition, and make an extended partition in the same space, but make sure the start of the extended partition is before the real partition, I can just make a new logical partition with the right start and end tracks |
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| 18:09.21 | jafn | can I |
| 18:09.25 | xoz | PiousMinion: what app you want? |
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| 18:09.32 | PiousMinion | gravity: yeah, word proc will do it, but it won't be pretty. I wonder what the IRS uses. lol |
| 18:09.35 | WormFood | what are you taling about jafn |
| 18:09.44 | enouf | <Zvpun> WormFood: echo 1| less -F I want it to show 1; ls -R |less I want it to not show data, once I quit it. <--- that sounds extremely terminal dependent as i think dondelelcaro mentioned |
| 18:09.55 | PiousMinion | xoz: something to make robust printable forms to be filled out with pen and ink. |
| 18:09.55 | jafn | i have a postfix server |
| 18:10.04 | WormFood | it is enouf, and it is totally gay for it to act that way |
| 18:10.14 | enouf | linux console behaves entirely different than say konsole or xterm for me |
| 18:10.21 | dondelelcaro | !tell WormFood -about gay |
| 18:10.37 | jafn | when my cleints tried to dwnload its mails thunderbird complains about ssl ertificate stating that this come from iaaez.dnsalias.com and the certificate says localhost |
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| 18:10.46 | gravity | PiousMinion: Yeah, it seems like a useful type of software to have. |
| 18:10.53 | WormFood | dondelelcaro, what makes fags special they they feel they have the right to not be offended? NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED |
| 18:10.56 | enouf | WormFood: no, the terminals themselves each behave differently and for various reasons |
| 18:10.58 | gigo | after doing a full upgrade yesterday, the mcs command is missing. I used to use this command to compile C# code. |
| 18:11.39 | gigo | I am using Squeeze |
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| 18:12.23 | maligor | gigo, install mono-mcs? (or gmcs or smcs) |
| 18:12.24 | enouf | WormFood: ext'd partitions (MS-DOS partition tabling) is all crap .. IMHO, ofcourse |
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| 18:12.51 | gigo | maligor, i mono-mcs - Mono C# 1.0 compiler for CLI 1.1 |
| 18:13.01 | dondelelcaro | WormFood: it doesn't matter who the group is; disparaging individuals or groups is not acceptable on this channel. |
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| 18:14.03 | jelly-home | that's discriminating the discriminators! |
| 18:14.07 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 18:14.50 | gigo | any help regarding my lost mcs? anyone can help me in getting it back? |
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| 18:14.54 | xoz | PiousMinion: perhaps one of the latex class? |
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| 18:15.38 | maligor | gigo, try mcs1 |
| 18:16.12 | PiousMinion | xoz: I've never used LaTeX in my life and have only been introduced to it's typing style a moment ago. While it looks simple enough to create documents, I know nothing of how to format them and would need a swift kick in the right direction. lol |
| 18:16.17 | gigo | maligor, why did they change the command? |
| 18:16.22 | maligor | don't ask me |
| 18:16.37 | El_Duderino | what kind of documents do you guys use latex for? |
| 18:16.37 | gigo | why dpkg -S mono-mcs does not show the mcs1 command? |
| 18:16.39 | El_Duderino | or tex |
| 18:16.45 | gravity | PiousMinion: I'd go with a word processor unless you know LaTeX is what you need, tbh |
| 18:16.49 | gigo | El_Duderino, I use to write math docs and presentation slides. |
| 18:16.52 | gravity | PiousMinion: LaTeX is complex |
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| 18:16.59 | El_Duderino | gigo, dpkg -L pkgname|grep bin |
| 18:17.15 | gigo | El_Duderino, got it. thanks. |
| 18:17.18 | El_Duderino | I think mono stores its binaries in /bin/ |
| 18:17.22 | El_Duderino | usr bin |
| 18:17.31 | El_Duderino | I just setup mod_mono2/apache |
| 18:17.47 | gravity | El_Duderino: I used it to write my PhD thesis. |
| 18:17.50 | El_Duderino | I see |
| 18:17.51 | gigo | El_Duderino, yes, you said the truth. it is /usr/bin/mcs1 |
| 18:17.57 | El_Duderino | gravity, hey there man |
| 18:17.59 | El_Duderino | whats up |
| 18:18.07 | gravity | Not much |
| 18:18.13 | xoz | El_Duderino: for creating journal papers... using the provided stylesheet of a target journal. |
| 18:18.21 | El_Duderino | I'm trying out the new nickname from the big lebowski ;) |
| 18:18.26 | xoz | El_Duderino: for typesetting especially complex formulas |
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| 18:18.34 | El_Duderino | hmm.. I just use oo.o |
| 18:18.42 | El_Duderino | I'll look into tex |
| 18:19.03 | El_Duderino | bah, this nickname sucks |
| 18:19.05 | gigo | can someone please tell why mcs has been renamed to mcs1? |
| 18:19.05 | xoz | El_Duderino: that is complex especially if you are writing long papers with citations and figures. |
| 18:19.33 | ajavid | I see, I read about, but the article I read only mentioned math documents etc. and I was just curious what people use it for |
| 18:19.36 | xoz | Elendil: latex can automatically track section numbers, figure numbering, table and citations... |
| 18:19.45 | ajavid | and/or how its more better/efficient than say using xml/css |
| 18:19.52 | ajavid | or office products |
| 18:20.12 | xoz | wow, latex is not comparable to word |
| 18:20.22 | ajavid | well that shows you how much I know! ;) |
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| 18:20.52 | ajavid | gigo, not sure, try #mono ? |
| 18:21.00 | enouf | Zvpun: just reviewing the section " Comparisons With Other Terminals |
| 18:21.00 | enouf | " |
| 18:21.12 | xoz | ajavid: if you are writing thesis or books/reports... you may appreciate latex. |
| 18:21.13 | ajavid | if anything I doubt its debian doing it, its probably a binary rename from upstream |
| 18:21.17 | enouf | in man console_codes might be revealing for one |
| 18:21.27 | xoz | stops selling latex :) |
| 18:21.29 | gigo | ajavid, how would #mono know why Debian has renamed mcs to mcs1 ? |
| 18:21.40 | ajavid | gigo, so it IS debian that did the rename? |
| 18:21.57 | ajavid | and how did you verify this? |
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| 18:22.19 | xoz | ajavid: enable bash completion so that you will not be surprised of minor changes in naming during install |
| 18:22.30 | ajavid | zsh |
| 18:22.34 | jelly-home | gigo: does the usual docuentation place not mention anything useful wrt that rename? |
| 18:22.36 | ajavid | but thanks, I'll do it |
| 18:22.37 | gigo | ajavid, gigo> have you guys renamed mcs to mcs1 or debian did it? |
| 18:22.37 | gigo | <jonp> gigo: debian did it |
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| 18:22.57 | ajavid | oh I missed that |
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| 18:23.12 | ajavid | gigo, I would ask the maintainer, just shoot an email? |
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| 18:23.22 | ajavid | or see if there is a mono debian mailing list |
| 18:23.34 | jelly-home | blames directhex |
| 18:23.37 | abrotman | ajavid: there is a #debian-mono on oftc |
| 18:23.42 | ajavid | ahh, cool |
| 18:23.48 | ajavid | gigo, there ya go |
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| 18:25.18 | jelly-home | gigo: my sources tell me "<directhex> jelly-home, make them install mono-devel" |
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| 18:25.49 | ajavid | well after using it for a while it is very much limited even right now |
| 18:25.59 | ajavid | no WPF supoprt, winforms is usually buggy |
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| 18:26.10 | ajavid | pretty far behind... |
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| 18:26.39 | rue_mohr | is there a bot here that can use its supperior package knowhow to find me /usr/lib/libodbcpsql.so |
| 18:26.41 | Zvpun | enouf: I have read comparisons with other terminals in man console_codes but I dont know enough, infact I have given up and will just live with it. |
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| 18:26.59 | ajavid | !find libodbcpsql.so |
| 18:27.06 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libodbcpsql.so' returned no results. |
| 18:27.19 | rue_mohr | AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH |
| 18:27.22 | ajavid | AAAH! |
| 18:27.26 | ajavid | :) |
| 18:27.28 | rue_mohr | ok, uh, what now? |
| 18:27.38 | ajavid | no clue,I'm a noob. |
| 18:27.42 | rue_mohr | damn |
| 18:27.42 | ajavid | *afk* |
| 18:27.54 | rue_mohr | I'll try postgres, thanks |
| 18:27.58 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: spank whoever provided you a binary wanting that file |
| 18:28.11 | rue_mohr | its a book :) |
| 18:28.12 | SerajewelKS | what kind of operations would affect the ctime of a file? |
| 18:28.26 | jelly-home | rue_mohr: it might be outdated |
| 18:28.50 | jelly-home | !wayttd rue_mohr |
| 18:28.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, rue_mohr? |
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| 18:29.18 | SerajewelKS | i have a bunch of files that are getting their ctimes touched and i am not sure why |
| 18:29.19 | xoz | SerajewelKS: touch? |
| 18:29.33 | SerajewelKS | xoz: that would update the mtime too; the mtime is not being changed |
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| 18:31.27 | rue_mohr | oh sorry, I'm trying to set up an odbc connection for asterisk to use for speed dials for the phone system |
| 18:31.39 | rue_mohr | I have another doc |
| 18:31.52 | rue_mohr | says I shoudl install odbc-postgresql package :) |
| 18:32.08 | SerajewelKS | xoz: is it common for backup utilities to do something that would affect ctime? |
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| 18:32.51 | xoz | SerajewelKS: you have not rebooted? |
| 18:33.08 | SerajewelKS | xoz: no, this is on a production server with 31 days of uptime |
| 18:33.22 | spersaud | how can I write the url tag correctly for this url ? http://dpaste.com/15709/ |
| 18:33.22 | xoz | SerajewelKS: check your crontab |
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| 18:33.50 | SerajewelKS | xoz: i have. only thing i see remotely close to the time it's getting set to is a backup utility |
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| 18:34.22 | xoz | SerajewelKS: then confirm it by running it to a particular directory to check if it changes the ctime |
| 18:35.23 | xoz | SerajewelKS: usually backup like rsync looks at modified time. |
| 18:36.08 | morphir | why is there both apt-get and aptitude? |
| 18:36.19 | spersaud | oops wrong channel |
| 18:36.19 | xoz | morphir: freedom |
| 18:36.25 | SerajewelKS | xoz: right, but i'm wondering if it's modifying metadata, which should cause a ctime update i think |
| 18:36.41 | xoz | SerajewelKS: what is the app? |
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| 18:37.29 | xoz | !ctime |
| 18:37.29 | dpkg | UNIX does *not* store the creation time of files. Anywhere. At all. Ever. You can't get it. You see that "ctime" field in the stat structure? It's not "creation time". It's inode (metadata) change time. It gets updated when you chmod the file, etc. |
| 18:37.59 | xoz | SerajewelKS: maybe the inode or metadata as you think |
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| 18:38.37 | morphir | xoz: I was recommended to use aptitude, even though Im used to apt-get |
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| 18:39.17 | valdyn | morphir: the root of apt-get is being not for real use, only to demo libapt |
| 18:39.34 | xoz | morphir: aptitude has more *intelligent* way of tracking deps... |
| 18:39.56 | theholyduck | xoz, meh. fancy smancy |
| 18:39.57 | theholyduck | who needs it |
| 18:40.03 | theholyduck | sticks to aptsh |
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| 18:40.09 | SerajewelKS | xoz: netbackup |
| 18:40.18 | morphir | so why is apt-get still around? |
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| 18:40.37 | valdyn | morphir: because theres people maintaining it and people liking it |
| 18:40.37 | xoz | !aptitude |
| 18:40.37 | dpkg | aptitude is probably now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a CLI replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in Lenny, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
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| 18:40.50 | theholyduck | !why not aptitude |
| 18:40.50 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source". |
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| 18:40.53 | valdyn | morphir: aptitude wasnt the primary tool for debian till sarge or etch |
| 18:40.59 | Pillz | Hey, would there be any reason why every time I pick a mirror during installation, it says its unavaible? Cause I've tried them all |
| 18:41.08 | jetx | irc on palm not fun but better than nothing |
| 18:41.12 | gravity | Learn what they both can and can't do and then use what's best for you |
| 18:41.14 | valdyn | morphir: and now ubuntu prefers apt-get while debian prefers aptitude i think |
| 18:41.23 | ajavid | valdyn, ! |
| 18:41.25 | SerajewelKS | xoz: the real problem: we have a file delivery system, and samba is used as a way to manage the files. we want to purge files nightly that were added more than X days ago. the problem is, if you copy a file from an XP box to the share, the mtime carries over from the modified time that XP sees, making mtime useless. ctime seems to be updating nightly, making that useless. so the only mechanisms i can come up with to work around this are terri |
| 18:41.25 | theholyduck | valdyn, no ubuntu DEFINITLY prefers aptitude |
| 18:41.28 | gravity | And if you don't know then use aptitude :-) |
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| 18:41.36 | theholyduck | gravity, apt-get has source and build-dept |
| 18:41.37 | xoz | use both depending on circumstances |
| 18:41.38 | valdyn | theholyduck: ok, i got told something wrong then |
| 18:41.41 | jetx | dselect is your god |
| 18:41.41 | theholyduck | the 2 features i care about |
| 18:41.46 | ajavid | jetx, stfu |
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| 18:41.52 | ajavid | jetx, masochist! |
| 18:41.55 | gravity | theholyduck: Yes, I know |
| 18:41.57 | theholyduck | but really i prefer aptsh to all the other apt frontends |
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| 18:42.10 | theholyduck | though aptsh is just apt-get and apt-cache wrapped as a shell |
| 18:42.13 | ajavid | jetx, where you been past few months? |
| 18:42.14 | theholyduck | pretty much anyway |
| 18:42.23 | jetx | cayete nyle guey! |
| 18:42.24 | ajavid | I just discovered aptsh |
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| 18:42.34 | morphir | remove apt-get for good |
| 18:42.35 | ajavid | ey! shaddup |
| 18:42.35 | xoz | misses feta |
| 18:42.42 | theholyduck | morphir, nothing wrong with having both |
| 18:42.45 | valdyn | morphir: why? |
| 18:42.46 | morphir | make a clean cut ;) |
| 18:42.49 | jetx | working/gaming |
| 18:42.49 | theholyduck | morphir, and alot of people/scripts depends of apt-get |
| 18:42.50 | ajavid | i like aptsh sometimes |
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| 18:43.05 | valdyn | morphir: should debian remove all gui replacements for apt-get too? |
| 18:43.08 | ajavid | jetx, cool |
| 18:43.11 | morphir | yes |
| 18:43.13 | ajavid | jetx, so you're back online now kinda? |
| 18:43.20 | theholyduck | morphir, but WHY? whats wrong with choice? |
| 18:43.24 | jetx | I'm on my pda atm |
| 18:43.27 | theholyduck | aptitude doesnt have source and build-dep |
| 18:43.30 | ajavid | ahh |
| 18:43.33 | theholyduck | so its a very incomplete apt frontend |
| 18:43.34 | valdyn | morphir: and all non-firefox webbrowsers while we are at it |
| 18:43.38 | kunal | jetx: is your PDA working on linux? |
| 18:43.44 | kunal | debian distro? |
| 18:43.45 | valdyn | morphir: and all non-apache webserver ;) |
| 18:43.46 | morphir | it only creates confusion. |
| 18:43.46 | ajavid | theholyduck, thats my only gripe with aptitude so far |
| 18:43.49 | Saar | i use a preseed file to install a netinst CD, which worked fine with etch, i adapted it a bit to reflect change to lenny, but now no matter what i try it won't load anything except a base system, no desktop etc. even though I have this entry: tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, desktop |
| 18:43.54 | theholyduck | ajavid, and its slow :P |
| 18:43.57 | limpio | hi, i did a 'dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg but i did not get resolution questions, what's the command with 'xrandr' i don't understand the 'man', thx |
| 18:44.01 | xoz | morphir: don't remove it. apt-get has features not in aptitude and vice-versa |
| 18:44.03 | theholyduck | ajavid, all that extra dependency calculating stuff annoys me |
| 18:44.06 | Saar | any ideas? |
| 18:44.07 | ajavid | theholyduck, only reason I use apt-get is becuase of build-dep and -b sourrce or source |
| 18:44.13 | theholyduck | ajavid, not to mention installing reccomended packages |
| 18:44.15 | jetx | no palm os haven't tried to hack it ...yet |
| 18:44.23 | kunal | should do it jetx |
| 18:44.27 | theholyduck | seriously, aptitude annoys me greatly |
| 18:44.36 | ajavid | theholyduck, when installing little packages I use apt-get, the thing is, my system is sooooooooo slow, aptitude takes forever |
| 18:44.51 | theholyduck | ajavid, it takes forever on my quadcore box aswell |
| 18:44.57 | ajavid | apt-get is amazingly fast but I am experience with debian so to me doesn't matter if i mix apt-get aptitude or whatever |
| 18:44.57 | theholyduck | all that extra dependency handling is useless for me |
| 18:45.02 | xoz | apt-get can also behave like aptitude in terms of recommended packages.... just edit apt-preferences |
| 18:45.10 | jetx | bbl just installed irc on this |
| 18:45.12 | theholyduck | xoz, but why would you want it to? |
| 18:45.13 | ajavid | xoz, or aptitde can be faster with -R |
| 18:45.18 | theholyduck | xoz, the reccomends are almost always useless |
| 18:45.22 | ajavid | or some other options to strip the default behaviour |
| 18:45.39 | valdyn | theholyduck: this is for newbies |
| 18:45.52 | gravity | Or... not |
| 18:45.54 | xoz | theholyduck: not mine... for example, if you want to install scientific apps, the related packages are useful in the future. |
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| 18:45.59 | valdyn | theholyduck: who are better off installing something useless than searching for functionality |
| 18:45.59 | gravity | Some of us actually like recommends and know what we're doing |
| 18:46.15 | ajavid | gravity, I don't understand you |
| 18:46.19 | ajavid | gravity, the last sentense |
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| 18:46.24 | theholyduck | gravity, hehe, i dont like reccomends, though i read them |
| 18:46.27 | theholyduck | to see if i WANT any of it |
| 18:46.28 | valdyn | theholyduck: or people like me who dont care to waste some mb space |
| 18:46.29 | xoz | i like feta... you can just say feta suggest/recommends <package> and it will pull them |
| 18:46.30 | theholyduck | most of the times i dont :P |
| 18:46.36 | theholyduck | valdyn, i dont care about the space. |
| 18:46.41 | ajavid | you like recommends, fine, but I'm not undrstanding how having recommends makes you know what you're doing? |
| 18:46.42 | theholyduck | valdyn, i got 4.3 tb of hardrives |
| 18:46.48 | xoz | not automatic but it gives you that command |
| 18:46.49 | ajavid | I totally don't understand if you can kindly elaborate a bit |
| 18:46.51 | ajavid | gravity, ^ |
| 18:46.53 | valdyn | theholyduck: whats the problem with recommends then? |
| 18:46.55 | gravity | I'd rather have software that works when I'm working rather than have to stop working to install something |
| 18:46.59 | theholyduck | valdyn, installs all SORTS of shit |
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| 18:47.03 | ajavid | gravity, oh.. yeh |
| 18:47.06 | gravity | ajavid: About recommends? What's unclear? |
| 18:47.08 | valdyn | theholyduck: who cares? |
| 18:47.11 | ajavid | gravity, nothing, I got it now |
| 18:47.15 | theholyduck | valdyn, sometimes you get extra services, |
| 18:47.15 | valdyn | theholyduck: you got the space.. |
| 18:47.17 | theholyduck | extra fonts, |
| 18:47.21 | theholyduck | extra whatever |
| 18:47.23 | valdyn | theholyduck: fonts is good |
| 18:47.29 | ajavid | not really |
| 18:47.29 | theholyduck | valdyn, you only need like 8 :P |
| 18:47.33 | valdyn | theholyduck: services, i can accept you find that evil |
| 18:47.36 | valdyn | theholyduck: more dont hurt |
| 18:47.44 | theholyduck | valdyn, sure, but why have them? |
| 18:47.49 | theholyduck | valdyn, i got 4gb of ram and a quad core box |
| 18:47.50 | ajavid | just take up space, and clutter up my fonts selection |
| 18:47.52 | theholyduck | but i still run fluxbox |
| 18:47.55 | ajavid | other than that annoyance, its fine |
| 18:47.59 | theholyduck | just because i can FIT more, i dont WANT more |
| 18:48.03 | ajavid | I only have bare minimum fonts installed that I use |
| 18:48.04 | valdyn | theholyduck: because then i dont have to come here asking why the hell i cant view chinese websites properly |
| 18:48.14 | theholyduck | valdyn, i got 3 japanese fonts. |
| 18:48.15 | morphir | debian needs a benevolent dictator that draws the line. |
| 18:48.18 | theholyduck | and the defaults |
| 18:48.19 | ajavid | valdyn, right... we're talking about noobs |
| 18:48.22 | ajavid | makes sense |
| 18:48.23 | theholyduck | morphir, why? :P |
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| 18:48.29 | ajavid | if you're epxerienced, do what you want |
| 18:48.34 | xoz | the prblem i have with the package installer is that it always enable the daemon automatically after install. it should allow you the option to enable it or not. |
| 18:48.37 | ajavid | but yah, for noobs, default behaviour is best |
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| 18:48.42 | ajavid | and recommends are good |
| 18:48.47 | theholyduck | morphir, we allready HAVE that. its ubuntu :P |
| 18:48.49 | valdyn | if youre experienced you can use raw wget + dpkg ;) |
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| 18:48.53 | gravity | It's not just about new users |
| 18:49.01 | theholyduck | a shitty distro that draws the line |
| 18:49.02 | gravity | That split is such bullshit |
| 18:49.11 | ajavid | gravity, go on... |
| 18:49.20 | gravity | ajavid: I already gave a very good reasoning. |
| 18:49.29 | ajavid | I probably missed it let me look up |
| 18:49.29 | xoz | there should be a aptitude recommend/suggest <package> command |
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| 18:49.32 | valdyn | gravity: for me aptitude is just a little convenience, for someone else it might save hours asking in here |
| 18:49.38 | gravity | Recommends aren't suggests. They're recommends for a good reason usually |
| 18:49.42 | morphir | yeah, but including both apt-get and aptitude is a foul :( |
| 18:49.49 | theholyduck | gravity, not really :P |
| 18:49.50 | ajavid | oh that |
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| 18:50.08 | ajavid | morphir, for noobs ;) |
| 18:50.12 | gravity | theholyduck: How many packages do you maintain where you have to set depends/recommends/suggests? |
| 18:50.19 | xoz | morphir: choice is ok. |
| 18:50.24 | Hydroxide | there's --with-recommends and --without-recommends and --with-suggests and --without-suggests, at least for aptitude |
| 18:50.25 | theholyduck | gravity, im a user not a maintainer:P |
| 18:50.26 | xoz | morphir: the price of freedom :) |
| 18:50.27 | gravity | theholyduck: And for that matter, have you read the policy section delineating what each is for? |
| 18:50.36 | Hydroxide | and config options, too |
| 18:50.41 | Hydroxide | gravity: hi there |
| 18:50.43 | morphir | it creates confuses-> alienates users -> less usable |
| 18:50.43 | gravity | theholyduck: Well, take it from someone who has had to do this that there's a reason why these things are the way they are |
| 18:50.45 | ajavid | Hydroxide, yo |
| 18:50.46 | gravity | Hydroxide: Heya |
| 18:50.52 | ajavid | gravity, im going through this now :) |
| 18:50.57 | ajavid | php-gtk2 |
| 18:50.58 | morphir | confusion even.. |
| 18:51.20 | ajavid | Hydroxide, did you wish me a happy birthday? I think you weren't around! |
| 18:51.25 | ajavid | runs after Hydroxide |
| 18:51.25 | themill | aptitude *does* have a build-dep argument. man aptitude. |
| 18:51.40 | gravity | It's this same bullshit argument that "ease of use is for newbies" that pisses me off. It's the same bullshit rationale that was used to explain why boot-floppies was ok |
| 18:51.45 | Hydroxide | ajavid: ?? |
| 18:51.45 | ajavid | themill, it does? hmm I didn't know, i thought it didn't |
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| 18:51.53 | ajavid | Hydroxide, stoner! ;) |
| 18:52.01 | ajavid | #debian-chat |
| 18:52.02 | kunal | where i stoner/ |
| 18:52.03 | kunal | ? |
| 18:52.05 | theholyduck | gravity, well suggest is even more useless :P |
| 18:52.08 | xoz | Hydroxide: with-recommends only work during install of the package... what about if the package is already installed and you decided you wnat the recommended? |
| 18:52.19 | ajavid | kunal, #debian-chat, I use my real name now |
| 18:52.23 | ajavid | and don't toke up |
| 18:52.26 | gravity | theholyduck: No. It's not. It's quite useful. I use it myself. |
| 18:52.37 | theholyduck | gravity, almost all the suggest is ever saw |
| 18:52.39 | theholyduck | was useless |
| 18:52.43 | kunal | ajavid? you were stoned? |
| 18:52.43 | Hydroxide | xoz: aptitude presents those in the full-screen mode in the preview screen, easy to add |
| 18:52.49 | ajavid | kunal, ji bhai |
| 18:52.51 | gravity | theholyduck: For you. Maybe your computing needs are minimal. |
| 18:52.55 | kunal | oh. sasrikal ji! |
| 18:53.02 | kunal | i finally got debian installed |
| 18:53.06 | gravity | theholyduck: For others they're quite helpful in getting a functional piece of software. |
| 18:53.08 | kunal | i had a big victory dance. |
| 18:53.17 | ajavid | namaste |
| 18:53.22 | theholyduck | gravity, suggest is almost always either extra docs (aviable online) or extra fonts :P |
| 18:53.27 | theholyduck | in my book |
| 18:53.48 | stew | Recommends should not only by "this should be helpful" but "you'd also expect this" by its very deinition. if a package is recommending somehting that peopel would rarely expect it is a bug |
| 18:53.49 | themill | Can't have looked too hard then. |
| 18:54.10 | gravity | theholyduck: gnumeric (one example) suggests having a pdf reader, docs, and plugins. These are useful things. |
| 18:54.11 | ajavid | recommends are important sometimes |
| 18:54.30 | theholyduck | gravity, but what does a pdf reader have to do with gnumeric? |
| 18:54.33 | theholyduck | and who doesnt allready have one? |
| 18:54.48 | ajavid | sometimes I find that while installing a minimal system, I still would need to install all the packages that are recommends anyway for a lot of things |
| 18:54.50 | theholyduck | some of the plugins might be usefull but i still wouldnt want them by default |
| 18:54.59 | ajavid | so I just keep it on, use aptitude and its fine |
| 18:55.03 | gravity | theholyduck: And some of us actually like to have docs available in a defined place on their system. With doc versions that actually match the software on their drive rather than what's on a website |
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| 18:55.19 | theholyduck | gravity, almost any package i care about i got to compile from svn anyway |
| 18:55.21 | gravity | theholyduck: The plugins aren't by default. They're suggests. Do you even have any idea what the difference is? |
| 18:55.22 | ajavid | either you can use recommends, or you can install them manually becuase more than likely recommends are packagtes you would more than likely need |
| 18:55.29 | designs703 | If I put a bash script in init.d, will it run on boot? |
| 18:55.33 | theholyduck | gravity, aptitude does suggest doesnt i? |
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| 18:55.36 | theholyduck | *it |
| 18:55.41 | valdyn | designs703: no |
| 18:55.43 | SerajewelKS | xoz: bingo: http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/200644.htm |
| 18:55.44 | gravity | theholyduck: No. It doesn't install suggests by default. |
| 18:55.45 | xoz | recommends help you discover new programs... if you are open minded and want to explore related apps |
| 18:55.59 | valdyn | designs703: what exactly do you want to run on boot? |
| 18:56.07 | kunal | ajavid: i am trying to configure my network on debian. |
| 18:56.08 | Hydroxide | xoz: you're thinking of suggests |
| 18:56.15 | theholyduck | gravity, but still what does the "improved package handling" even do? |
| 18:56.20 | designs703 | valdyn: A simple two-line Bash script. It's actually on OpenSolaris but those guys won't stop with their SMF crap |
| 18:56.23 | kunal | it gives me a messae that the platnform you are running is not supported by this tool |
| 18:56.24 | theholyduck | only thing its done for me is be slooow |
| 18:56.28 | xoz | Hydroxide: yeah... it is confusing ;) |
| 18:56.29 | kunal | message* |
| 18:56.29 | ajavid | kunal, ok |
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| 18:56.38 | valdyn | designs703: /etc/rc.local |
| 18:56.39 | ajavid | kunal, did you ever get debian installed? and sounds like you did |
| 18:56.43 | ajavid | kunal, how did you isntall it? |
| 18:56.45 | xoz | SerajewelKS: yep |
| 18:56.47 | kunal | via a CD |
| 18:56.50 | gravity | theholyduck: It tracks packages installed simply to satisfy dependencies, so when you remove something and a lib is no longer needed it gets removed. Basically built in deborphan/debfoster |
| 18:56.57 | ajavid | heh |
| 18:56.57 | kunal | got the 1st installation disk. |
| 18:56.57 | kunal | and installed it |
| 18:56.58 | ajavid | thats good |
| 18:57.03 | valdyn | !sysv |
| 18:57.03 | ajavid | kunal, so now what do you need? |
| 18:57.03 | dpkg | i heard sysv is dpkg --force-all --remove sysvinit && dpkg --force-all -i sysvinit && apt-get -f install |
| 18:57.04 | theholyduck | gravity, apt-get does taht aswell doesnt it? |
| 18:57.18 | theholyduck | gravity, whenever i uninstall things i always get the. these packages was installed automatically and can be autoremoved |
| 18:57.20 | gravity | theholyduck: If you don't want to use it, then fine. No one's forcing you. But to say that recommends is crap for newbies is a load of garbage. |
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| 18:57.28 | gravity | theholyduck: Now apt-get does, yes. About half a decade later. |
| 18:57.30 | theholyduck | gravity, i never said that |
| 18:57.32 | kunal | ajavid: i cant access my network settings cus it tells me te platofrm you are running is not supported by this tool |
| 18:57.33 | valdyn | designs703: read the readme and skeleton in /etc/init.d/ if you care, but rc.local should do for "simple bash 2-liner" |
| 18:57.42 | ajavid | ajavid, what? |
| 18:57.44 | theholyduck | gravity, i said its useless. and who cares about newbies |
| 18:57.54 | gravity | theholyduck: That's an even weaker argument. |
| 18:57.54 | theholyduck | they all use the bloatfest that is ubuntu |
| 18:58.08 | ajavid | kunal, what? thats confusing. You are using a GUI tool? |
| 18:58.13 | kunal | yes |
| 18:58.18 | ajavid | kunal, I do not know any gui tools for network configuration |
| 18:58.22 | designs703 | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:58.26 | kunal | oh ok. |
| 18:58.34 | SerajewelKS | xoz: thanks for letting me babble at you |
| 18:58.35 | ajavid | kunal, however, you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:58.35 | valdyn | kunal: try etherconf instead |
| 18:58.45 | kunal | ok. |
| 18:58.47 | valdyn | kunal: or what ajavid said |
| 18:58.59 | Hydroxide | ajavid, kunal: gui config tools exist, but none are complete or able to handle every case |
| 18:59.05 | ajavid | in fact, I don't know ANY tools for net config other than iptables/chains or man interfaces |
| 18:59.11 | stew | valdyn: i thought etherconf was long gone |
| 18:59.19 | valdyn | stew: ops, is it? |
| 18:59.21 | ajavid | Hydroxide, yeah, which is why I just don't even worrya bout em, just edit configs |
| 18:59.22 | xoz | Hydroxide: but suggest and recommends are related i think... there are many cases i realize the extra progs i though i won't need becomes useful later. only that, there should be an app to present clearly the relation between your main program and the related recommends/suggests for exploration. |
| 18:59.27 | stew | judd: versions etherconf |
| 18:59.27 | judd | stew: etherconf -- |
| 18:59.33 | valdyn | its gone, duh |
| 18:59.36 | stew | valdyn: i think it was last in sarge |
| 18:59.44 | kunal | etherconf is gone |
| 18:59.45 | valdyn | damn, it was a nice tool actually |
| 18:59.47 | stew | buggy,unmaintained |
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| 18:59.50 | xoz | Hydroxide: im thinking of social network like graph ;) |
| 18:59.53 | stew | (iirc) |
| 19:00.09 | valdyn | probably, it was good enough for most people |
| 19:00.15 | xoz | Hydroxide: if aptitude can present this graphically, we can choose among the recommends we want :) |
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| 19:00.38 | xoz | SerajewelKS: cool man. sometimes, all we need is a listening ear ;) |
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| 19:01.27 | o_ | how to ask dpkg about console i18n? |
| 19:01.35 | valdyn | !locales |
| 19:01.35 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 19:01.49 | o_ | valdyn, thanks |
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| 19:03.17 | SerajewelKS | xoz: and a punch in the face from time to time |
| 19:03.56 | xoz | thinks that med-* and science-* packages in debian is a good direction to support scientific/medical computing. |
| 19:04.31 | ajavid | what about paid debian support subscription? |
| 19:04.41 | xoz | SerajewelKS: yep. sometimes the solution to the problem is right in front of your face :) |
| 19:04.42 | ajavid | are there any sites or groups you know of that do this commercially like the ubuntu support? |
| 19:04.53 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: there are probably some consultants who would do that, but generally you contract specifically with a consultant |
| 19:04.55 | wedge | ajavid: hire a consultant |
| 19:04.59 | ajavid | can someone provide commercial debian help |
| 19:05.08 | wedge | 65EUR/h is what I charge atm. |
| 19:05.10 | ajavid | cuz I was just thinking, why don't I do it!? |
| 19:05.14 | ajavid | dondelelcaro, I see |
| 19:05.16 | xoz | ajavid: debian site has a list i think of consultants |
| 19:05.21 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: see debian.org/consultants |
| 19:05.22 | ajavid | ahh ok I'll go look |
| 19:05.24 | ajavid | hey thanks |
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| 19:05.44 | gravity | ajavid: HP provides support for Debian for a fee |
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| 19:05.56 | ajavid | with thier servers, as does dell with the ubuntu desktops |
| 19:06.07 | ajavid | I'd go with HP for servers though. |
| 19:06.15 | ajavid | but thats neither here nor there |
| 19:06.16 | wedge | HP has crap support |
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| 19:06.27 | wedge | it's so annoying to try get support from their reps |
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| 19:07.36 | xoz | the best support is community support: r cran, perl ctan, ruby, python, communities etc... |
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| 19:08.42 | wedge | yeah Im sure community will help you when serverhardware is failing |
| 19:08.48 | ajavid | heh. |
| 19:08.50 | wedge | they'll be telling you "you should've bought brand X instead" |
| 19:08.57 | wedge | "cuz they NEVAR fail!" |
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| 19:09.06 | ajavid | its hardware. it will fail. |
| 19:09.22 | ajavid | one day... |
| 19:09.30 | xoz | hardware community is not as mature as software support community... |
| 19:09.47 | wedge | xoz: I disagree, well. #vmware is pretty mature. it's a mix of software and hardware |
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| 19:10.02 | Ejdesgaard | hi, http://rafb.net/p/AVmai013.html |
| 19:10.07 | xoz | wedge: is it a community? it is private |
| 19:10.17 | wedge | the channel is a community =) |
| 19:10.35 | xoz | wedge: that is not the community i refer to :) |
| 19:10.39 | wedge | =) |
| 19:10.42 | wedge | well.. still! |
| 19:11.13 | ajavid | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statoverride file |
| 19:11.13 | dpkg | ajavid: You are moron #1 |
| 19:11.17 | ajavid | THAT is a new one forme |
| 19:11.18 | xoz | wedge: similar to microsoft community... they are actually squatters |
| 19:11.29 | jetx | dang I think my phone doesn't ring when its ircing |
| 19:11.49 | xoz | ajavid: cd /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 19:12.02 | ajavid | does the debian exim group exist? |
| 19:12.03 | xoz | ajavid: backup your status file |
| 19:12.06 | ajavid | xoz, its not me. |
| 19:12.12 | ajavid | status override in occurance |
| 19:12.14 | xoz | ajavid: oh |
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| 19:12.19 | ajavid | its for Ejdesgaard |
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| 19:12.47 | Raylz | how do i get the version of a program in terminal |
| 19:12.57 | ajavid | Ryushin, programname --version |
| 19:12.57 | ajavid | ? |
| 19:12.58 | xoz | Ejdesgaard: see my comment with ajavid |
| 19:13.11 | xoz | Ejdesgaard: backup status |
| 19:13.14 | ajavid | Ejdesgaard, http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2006-08/msg00639.html |
| 19:13.17 | ajavid | may help |
| 19:13.18 | xoz | Ejdesgaard: in that directory |
| 19:13.37 | ajavid | Raylz, programname --version |
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| 19:13.43 | xoz | Ejdesgaard: and cp status-old status |
| 19:13.43 | icebrain | how is Debian's support for OMAP3? That new Touchbook seems sweet |
| 19:13.44 | ste | Who said Chineseï¼ |
| 19:13.53 | Raylz | ajavid: sry, should have added with packagemanager |
| 19:14.13 | jetx | ok it rings. but I lost my irc session |
| 19:14.13 | ajavid | Raylz, what are you tryhing to get, th eprogram version or the debian pcakge verison? |
| 19:14.20 | Saar | hrm, just noticed the netinst cd doesn't allow you to chose more than the standard install, is that supposed to be the case? |
| 19:14.20 | ajavid | Raylz, there are two versions in every debian package |
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| 19:14.29 | ajavid | Raylz, there is a software version, and a debian pcakge version |
| 19:14.29 | Ryushin | ajavid: What about that? Maybe that comment was for someone else. |
| 19:14.31 | Raylz | ajavid: program |
| 19:14.39 | ajavid | Ryushin, sorry i meant Raylz |
| 19:14.41 | Ryushin | Sorry, I see now. |
| 19:14.43 | Saar | in the past i could chose desktop, webservers etc. and it would download it from the network |
| 19:14.50 | xoz | Saar: you can choose later with tasksel |
| 19:15.12 | Saar | you mean Select and install software? |
| 19:15.15 | ajavid | Raylz, just programname --version on almost everything should work, I dunno what else to tell ya |
| 19:15.21 | jetx | all I need is for it to ring. I can work on the rest. |
| 19:15.22 | Saar | i am now at the Install Grub stage |
| 19:15.26 | xoz | Saar: most importatn is you have a basic debian running |
| 19:15.33 | ajavid | Raylz, you can get the version AND the debian version of the package via apt-cache show or policy |
| 19:15.36 | Saar | i see no options to select a system furthermore |
| 19:15.54 | Raylz | ajavid: thx |
| 19:15.58 | xoz | Saar: if none... after reboot. just use tasksel command |
| 19:16.02 | ajavid | on the grub instal stage you don't see anything except a few options as to where to put the grub, on mbr or a partition or whatever |
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| 19:16.18 | ajavid | you what system slection are you talking about? |
| 19:16.32 | ajavid | damn my typing |
| 19:16.41 | Saar | sure, but that defeats the purpose\ |
| 19:16.48 | ajavid | what are you looking for? |
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| 19:17.04 | jetx | tasksel blows anyway |
| 19:17.11 | Saar | i use a poreseed file and it should be possible to install more than the standard system using the netinst CD |
| 19:17.35 | ajavid | jetx, incorrect |
| 19:17.49 | Ejdesgaard | xoz, ajavid, didn't help |
| 19:17.51 | ajavid | jetx, the configuration provided with tasksel in debian is fairly shitty |
| 19:17.57 | ajavid | jetx, but tasksel is an excellent software |
| 19:18.09 | Ejdesgaard | i backed up status and cp'ed status.old to status |
| 19:18.12 | xoz | Ejdesgaard: after copying, try apt-get update and upgradde |
| 19:18.19 | jetx | ok that blows then |
| 19:18.43 | Saar | it'd be crappy to have to download a full ISO, since the whole idea is to download whatever from the network |
| 19:18.55 | Ejdesgaard | xoz have done |
| 19:19.03 | xoz | Ejdesgaard: same error? |
| 19:19.05 | Saar | could i use the tasksel command at the end of preseed? |
| 19:19.12 | xoz | Saar: yep |
| 19:19.14 | ajavid | Saar, sure |
| 19:19.19 | Ejdesgaard | yep |
| 19:19.32 | xoz | Saar: i think you skipped it during netinstall. |
| 19:19.40 | Saar | but how? |
| 19:19.44 | ajavid | do you have the Debian-exim group? |
| 19:19.45 | xoz | Saar: review again the menu. it is there |
| 19:19.46 | Saar | i used expert mode |
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| 19:20.10 | xoz | Saar: then it will not come out. you are an expert... you do the manual way :) |
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| 19:20.25 | xoz | Saar: just issue taskel command in the terminal |
| 19:20.35 | ajavid | Somehow, a status override was set to the group Debian-exim but the group was never created. |
| 19:20.35 | Ejdesgaard | ajavid, where do i see that? |
| 19:20.42 | jetx | choose select software or so,iirc |
| 19:20.56 | ajavid | thats why you have unknown group |
| 19:20.56 | ajavid | (I think) |
| 19:21.08 | jetx | 'should' be in there |
| 19:21.19 | Saar | i understand and I would be fine with it, were it not i like to use preseed and want to minimise any manual interventiopn, that defeats the purpose |
| 19:21.27 | Saar | and the preseed doesnt use expert mode |
| 19:21.50 | ajavid | Unless you made a backup of the file, deleting /var/log/dpkg/statoverride was probably not a good idea |
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| 19:22.08 | ajavid | statoverrides are not critical, they help you install different packages that like to stomp all over each other's files |
| 19:22.15 | jetx | damn I have to push shift to get a comma ... /me stfu's & lurks |
| 19:22.15 | ajavid | man dpkg-statusoverride |
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| 19:22.52 | xoz | goes to bed... |
| 19:22.58 | jetx | 1 finger typing blows too |
| 19:22.59 | Saar | xoz: are you saying expert mode somehow removes the options to install servers, desktop etc? that would be weird, since not using expert mode disallows me to use the ssh console... |
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| 19:23.22 | ajavid | expert mode uses which priority? |
| 19:23.27 | ajavid | low or med? |
| 19:23.34 | Saar | hm well i mean, odd that i can only get desktop etc when NOt using ssh console |
| 19:23.40 | Saar | no idea |
| 19:23.41 | jetx | expert didn't used to disable tasksel |
| 19:23.54 | Ejdesgaard | ajavid, http://rafb.net/p/nT655860.html |
| 19:23.56 | Saar | my preseed uses priority critical or else it still needs manual intervention |
| 19:23.57 | ajavid | I don't think it does, does it |
| 19:24.05 | jetx | no idea about new release |
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| 19:25.06 | ajavid | Ejdesgaard, I'm afraid my experience is rather limite |
| 19:25.24 | Ejdesgaard | okay:S but thanks for the help anyway :) |
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| 19:25.38 | ajavid | Ejdesgaard, http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2006-08/msg00702.html |
| 19:25.41 | ajavid | look here |
| 19:25.51 | jetx | maybe this custom preseed does? |
| 19:26.16 | digitaloktay | hi people, abrotman |
| 19:26.17 | ajavid | Ejdesgaard, exact same error as yours, description and possible fix |
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| 19:26.28 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 19:26.36 | ajavid | abotman! |
| 19:26.40 | digitaloktay | :D |
| 19:26.42 | ajavid | heh |
| 19:26.58 | jetx | u r ab-rot :) |
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| 19:27.21 | Saar | i get this once the system has installed: |
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| 19:27.29 | Saar | tasksel --list-tasks: u manual manual package selection |
| 19:27.44 | digitaloktay | !hold |
| 19:27.45 | dpkg | somebody said hold was a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 19:27.45 | Saar | does it even know there is desktop, webserver etc? |
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| 19:28.21 | jetx | it giving u instructions |
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| 19:28.33 | jetx | how to use it |
| 19:29.30 | digitaloktay | how can i set kde 3.5.10 on hold, i am using unstable |
| 19:30.04 | jetx | hit h in deselect :) j/k |
| 19:30.17 | jelly-home | "deselect", heh |
| 19:30.24 | digitaloktay | 'echo kde hold|dpkg --set-selections'? |
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| 19:30.46 | ajavid | couldn't you pin package: kde* to be a lower priority than sids |
| 19:30.52 | jetx | oops |
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| 19:31.06 | ajavid | effectively leaving it untouched (I think)( |
| 19:31.08 | jetx | d |
| 19:31.14 | jetx | g |
| 19:31.22 | jetx | ah |
| 19:31.26 | ajavid | jetx, time to put down the crack pipe! |
| 19:31.29 | ajavid | ;) |
| 19:31.30 | jhutchins_wk | Is there a "vim-enhanced" package, more than vim.basic, but without all the GUI stuff? |
| 19:31.42 | Saar | hm ok tasksel instal laptop works |
| 19:31.46 | ajavid | jhutchins_wk, apt-cache search vim |
| 19:31.55 | jetx | s/pipe/pda/ |
| 19:32.09 | ajavid | oh pda |
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| 19:33.25 | raz | ouf. has anyone here ever worked with traffic shaping? the whole "tc" stuff boggles my mind. is there a "simple" way to throttle the throughput for tcp connections on a given port? |
| 19:33.43 | ajavid | wondershaper? |
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| 19:34.30 | Ejdesgaard | ajavid, i don't have the group in the first place... |
| 19:34.43 | ajavid | Ejdesgaard, thats why |
| 19:34.54 | Ejdesgaard | ajavid, how do i make it? |
| 19:35.16 | ajavid | I'm not really sure if you should manually make it, or remove the line in the file pointing to that group |
| 19:35.22 | rogermdl | someone used monowall firewall? |
| 19:35.46 | Ejdesgaard | and i managed to install rsync earlyer today.... |
| 19:35.55 | raz | ajavid, i need it as part of my existing router, not a new box :) |
| 19:35.57 | jhutchins_wk | ajavid: Thanks, already know how to do that. Need to know which of the ~20 responses is vim-enhanced without all the Gnome & GUI stuff, just the enhanced console version. |
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| 19:36.33 | Ejdesgaard | ajavid, all it says in statoverride is "root Debian-exim 0640 /etc/exim4/passwd.client" |
| 19:36.37 | ajavid | jhutchins_wk, ahh looking for a vim guy, try #vim maybe you can find some debian vimmers hardcore in there |
| 19:36.51 | ajavid | Ejdesgaard, you backed up the file, remove the line and try again |
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| 19:37.15 | ajavid | Ejdesgaard, as per the proposed fix |
| 19:37.22 | jhutchins_wk | ajavid: Worth a try I guess. |
| 19:37.24 | jhutchins_wk | ajavid: Tnx. |
| 19:37.40 | ajavid | jhutchins_wk, I use vim, but not hardcore, I use phpmode.el and emacs :/ |
| 19:38.04 | ajavid | gl |
| 19:38.24 | craigevil | prefers cream, only had to use vi a few times |
| 19:38.37 | ajavid | hands craigevil a /me |
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| 19:39.40 | Ejdesgaard | fubr... i know what has happend... made a backup earlyer today to this computer (test env) and overrided /etc/group.... can i restore it somehow? |
| 19:39.52 | ajavid | ahhh hehe |
| 19:39.55 | ajavid | that'll do it |
| 19:40.06 | ajavid | Ejdesgaard, did you backup the group file? |
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| 19:40.22 | Ejdesgaard | ajavid, nope, and it's from a RHEL-3.8 |
| 19:40.23 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:40.42 | ajavid | if you edited in the past somewhere it could be renamed to group- or group.old or group~ or whatever |
| 19:41.34 | Ejdesgaard | themill, ajavid, cp /etc/group- /etc/group did it:D |
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| 19:41.42 | themill | win! |
| 19:41.49 | ajavid | \o/ yay! |
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| 19:41.57 | Ejdesgaard | thanks alot! :D |
| 19:42.05 | ajavid | yup |
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| 19:46.19 | Saar | ok i got the tasksel figured out, i just add it to be run at the end of preseed, thanks |
| 19:46.30 | dupondje | Hellow, I want to encrypt a whole directory in debian, how could I do that ? |
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| 19:47.19 | jameswhite | dupondje: cryptoloop |
| 19:48.23 | dupondje | jameswhite: but there u need to create a file for the loop, but its fixed size right ? |
| 19:48.30 | jameswhite | dupondje: you wouldn't technically be encrypting the directory so much as the block device mounted to it. |
| 19:48.58 | dupondje | ? |
| 19:48.59 | jameswhite | dupondje: depends on what you mean by "fixed size" |
| 19:49.24 | dupondje | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/etc/cryptfile bs=1M count=10 |
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| 19:49.29 | dupondje | then its 10MB ? |
| 19:49.41 | ajavid | uhuh |
| 19:49.46 | jameswhite | dupondje: you can pvcreate a cryptoloop device just like a regular one, and add and remove pvs from a logical volume all day. |
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| 19:49.55 | iamjay | hello there.. |
| 19:49.56 | jameswhite | so it'd be expandable |
| 19:49.57 | ajavid | i see |
| 19:50.02 | ajavid | oops |
| 19:50.04 | PiousMinion | Anyone know if there is an opposite to gtk-qt-engine? I want the very few qt apps I have match my gtk desktop. |
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| 19:50.14 | ajavid | PiousMinion, yes I think so |
| 19:50.21 | iamjay | I'm sorry I only run debian on ssh on a remote machine.. is there any way to custom install .debs into my $HOME? |
| 19:50.21 | ajavid | gtk2 engine that looks like qt? |
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| 19:50.30 | ajavid | PiousMinion, or a qt theme that looks like gtk2? |
| 19:50.34 | dupondje | jameswhite: but then u need LVM device, I just want to make a file that I can mount and that contains the encrypted dir ... |
| 19:50.39 | dupondje | so I don't need to have whole system encrypted |
| 19:50.43 | ajavid | PiousMinion, oh I see you want the first one |
| 19:50.43 | PiousMinion | ajavid: qt theme to look like gtk2. |
| 19:50.46 | dupondje | and no need to change the partitions |
| 19:50.49 | maligor | PiousMinion, QT4.5 has that |
| 19:50.50 | ajavid | PiousMinion, #kde |
| 19:50.59 | maligor | PiousMinion, and it's very good even |
| 19:51.27 | PiousMinion | I'm not using KDE. I just want scribus(which uses qt) to match my gnome desktop. |
| 19:51.28 | maligor | it's only in experimental atm tho |
| 19:51.28 | jameswhite | dupondje: just because you have an lvm device doesn't mean your whole system has to be on lvm |
| 19:51.50 | iamjay | is there any way to install packages to my home folder only? I dont have root access |
| 19:52.00 | dupondje | but at least 1 partition right ? U can't make a file a lvm ? |
| 19:52.07 | ajavid | iamjay, nope not afaik |
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| 19:52.23 | iamjay | ajavid, thats odd :( |
| 19:52.29 | ajavid | no it sin't |
| 19:52.33 | jameswhite | dupondje: you can make a file lvm |
| 19:52.44 | jameswhite | dupondje: http://github.com/fapestniegd/wcyd/blob/master/scratch/procedures/shortcuts |
| 19:52.45 | ajavid | debian packages are installed in a few different places on the system |
| 19:52.46 | iamjay | ajavid, well I tried to compile from source but I failed.. |
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| 19:52.58 | simonrvn | PiousMinion: qtconfig-qt4 |
| 19:52.59 | ajavid | iamjay, what are you trying to build |
| 19:53.04 | iamjay | just wanted to get awesome running on that syste |
| 19:53.04 | iamjay | m |
| 19:53.05 | dupondje | jameswhite: didn't knew that :) checking :D |
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| 19:53.17 | simonrvn | i just switched it to GTK+ and it matches nicely |
| 19:53.30 | iamjay | ajavid, if someone builded awesome and sent me the required libs/bins.. would that work |
| 19:53.32 | ajavid | I'd test but I'm not even on linux |
| 19:53.34 | ajavid | heh. |
| 19:53.43 | iamjay | builded awesome on debian that is. |
| 19:53.45 | jameswhite | dupondje: that's an example I used on ec2 to store 1GB files in s3 as encrypted, then to copy them and cryptoloop and activate lvm them |
| 19:54.03 | jameswhite | dupondje: loop allows files to be treated like block devices. |
| 19:54.12 | ajavid | pastebin your build log |
| 19:54.16 | dupondje | Ill try it out :) |
| 19:54.16 | dupondje | thx |
| 19:54.18 | ajavid | let me see |
| 19:54.20 | jameswhite | np |
| 19:54.27 | iamjay | ajavid, you mean.. me? |
| 19:54.30 | ajavid | iamjay, and yes possibly, but I mean that just kinda I mean |
| 19:54.35 | ajavid | build it yourself |
| 19:54.39 | iamjay | Yeah I tried |
| 19:54.42 | iamjay | wait I show you the log |
| 19:54.44 | ajavid | paste the error logs |
| 19:54.45 | ajavid | please |
| 19:54.52 | ajavid | !paster iamjay |
| 19:54.52 | dpkg | Please don't paste in the channel. Visit http://paste.debian.net/paste or http://rafb.net/paste to upload your information and then give us the URL. Ask me about <pastebin> for other alternatives. |
| 19:54.59 | ajavid | nm |
| 19:55.23 | iamjay | hahaha |
| 19:55.25 | iamjay | I know that :D |
| 19:55.37 | ajavid | :) |
| 19:55.45 | iamjay | http://dpaste.com/15755/ |
| 19:55.47 | iamjay | there you go |
| 19:57.06 | ajavid | !awesome |
| 19:57.07 | dpkg | i guess awesome is me |
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| 19:57.14 | ajavid | wth is awesome? |
| 19:57.25 | iamjay | I rebinded all the libs to the one I installed in ~/local |
| 19:57.25 | ajavid | and look at line 393 and 394 |
| 19:57.38 | iamjay | yeah |
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| 19:57.47 | iamjay | I know.. I guess its using some outdated resources |
| 19:58.14 | iamjay | tho I got that other version of libxcb-xlib.so in ~/local/lib |
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| 19:58.21 | iamjay | but its using the default one |
| 19:58.27 | wonder1 | hi boys |
| 19:58.33 | iamjay | awesome@ajavid: http://awesome.naquadah.org/ |
| 19:58.42 | wonder1 | need a small help to build a pakage in qt |
| 19:58.44 | iamjay | hi |
| 19:58.48 | wonder1 | can u help me ? |
| 19:59.02 | ajavid | judd versions awesome |
| 19:59.03 | iamjay | I guess I can't.. dont even run debian @ home |
| 19:59.04 | judd | ajavid: awesome -- etch-backports: 2.3.3-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.3.3-1 squeeze: 3.2~rc4-1 sid: 3.2-1 |
| 19:59.10 | wonder1 | got some problem with /debian/rules and qt |
| 19:59.15 | ajavid | iamjay, and why is the debian package not good enough? |
| 19:59.23 | ajavid | could you tell me? |
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| 19:59.49 | wonder1 | for owr bad luck in debian we have not all pakage of the world |
| 20:00.04 | wonder1 | and i'm trying to pakage antico ... a minimal desktop in qt |
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| 20:00.22 | nse | Hello everybody. I have a new monitor and would like to set up the appropriate screen resolutions but gnome doesn't let me do it. What do I need? |
| 20:00.26 | wonder1 | it is a new project and so isn't in rep |
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| 20:00.58 | wonder1 | nse: try change /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:01.02 | Pillz | Anyone know why when I boot up, my screen flickers a lot, or the color is totally off, half the screen is, well, off the screen... |
| 20:01.02 | valdyn | nse: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:01.05 | Pillz | Fresh install |
| 20:01.10 | valdyn | nse: that file should be empty pretty much |
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| 20:01.23 | valdyn | nse: that file = /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:01.28 | nse | valdyn: It is not - there is something there. |
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| 20:01.58 | valdyn | nse: move it away, see if things work then |
| 20:02.03 | nse | valdyn: And dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only gave me some questions about my keyboard - which is also new by the way. |
| 20:02.26 | valdyn | nse: are you running debian? are you running lenny? |
| 20:02.44 | gravity | nse: Is the X server getting your monitor settings wrong? |
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| 20:02.49 | nse | valdyn: Yes I am running debian testing. |
| 20:03.09 | valdyn | nse: i didnt know debians dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg still prompts for keyboard |
| 20:03.19 | ajavid | hmm |
| 20:03.21 | nse | gravity: Monitor is new - I would like to go further in the screen resolutions thing but there is no option left. |
| 20:03.24 | valdyn | nse: anyway try what happens if you move your xorg.conf away |
| 20:03.50 | nse | valdyn: Are you sure it is safe to move this way? |
| 20:03.52 | ajavid | iamjay, debian sid has the latest stable version of awesome. You can backport it from there to stable, or you can easily just use the sid package in testing if you have testing |
| 20:03.58 | gravity | nse: What do you mean "go further"? |
| 20:04.04 | valdyn | nse: you can move it back at any time |
| 20:04.13 | valdyn | nse: i didnt say rm or delete |
| 20:04.24 | iamjay | ajavid, jeah.. but how, sorry I myself am only using gentoo |
| 20:04.32 | iamjay | can you help me a bit with it.. please... |
| 20:04.43 | iamjay | what so you mean by backport it from there to stable? |
| 20:04.53 | valdyn | nse: now if that doesnt help paste that file on a paste site and also /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 20:05.01 | simonrvn | iamjay: gentoo the distro? why are you here then? |
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| 20:05.15 | nse | valdyn: Ok - got it. |
| 20:05.23 | iamjay | simonrvn, cos on the remote there's running debian:) |
| 20:05.33 | valdyn | iamjay: if you compile that awesome on gentoo it might actually run on debian too |
| 20:05.36 | wonder1 | so any one have experince with the pakagin of qt app |
| 20:05.37 | wonder1 | ? |
| 20:05.51 | nse | See ya! |
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| 20:05.58 | ajavid | dude |
| 20:06.01 | ajavid | c'mon |
| 20:06.04 | hanibana | is there a Linux distro like Debian for stability, and like Ubuntu with beautiful look-and-feel ?! I don't like it be bleeding-edge like Ubuntu ... |
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| 20:06.11 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 20:06.11 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 20:06.19 | ajavid | seriously |
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| 20:06.22 | ajavid | grr. |
| 20:06.33 | wonder1 | i know how to compile a debian pakage |
| 20:06.34 | iamjay | valdyn, really? I tried that already, its not running:( |
| 20:06.40 | valdyn | hanibana: debian looks the same if you configure that |
| 20:06.43 | wonder1 | just i need some help with qt |
| 20:07.05 | valdyn | iamjay: if its not running then its giving a very specific error probably |
| 20:07.07 | ajavid | !nmg |
| 20:07.08 | dpkg | well, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
| 20:07.14 | White_Pelican | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.15 | ajavid | I see |
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| 20:07.24 | ajavid | changed the factois |
| 20:08.14 | ajavid | toids |
| 20:08.26 | valdyn | White_Pelican: read "man sudoers" |
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| 20:09.00 | hanibana | valdyn: I am just using Debian. But, as an example, how can I remove the ugly effect of gnome when minimizing windows?! |
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| 20:09.04 | dupondje | jameswhite: ecryptfs seems nicer ? |
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| 20:09.11 | wonder1 | dpkg is a fuccking bot |
| 20:09.11 | dpkg | wish i knew, wonder1 |
| 20:09.14 | ajavid | iamjay, so on the remote debia machine, login via ssh, backport awesome 3.2 and go bout your business |
| 20:09.27 | ajavid | iamjay, if you have a debian machine in play, why even worrya bout gentoo, its irrelevant |
| 20:09.34 | valdyn | hanibana: ubuntu probably uses the compiz window manager |
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| 20:09.58 | ajavid | oh ubuntu yes, on kubuntu, kwin4 |
| 20:10.08 | ajavid | xubuntu is compiz as well |
| 20:10.19 | iamjay | backport awesome 3.2... what do you mean by that? the first time I hear the word 'backport' :D |
| 20:10.30 | ajavid | well then you're in for a treat |
| 20:10.37 | ajavid | !tell iamjay -about backport |
| 20:10.42 | ajavid | !tell iamjay -about ssb |
| 20:10.59 | iamjay | ahaha:) |
| 20:11.09 | iamjay | thanks :) |
| 20:11.09 | nse | Ok guys - everything - working is fine. |
| 20:11.13 | ajavid | np |
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| 20:11.24 | valdyn | nse: neat, how? moving the config file did it? |
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| 20:11.50 | iamjay | ajavid, I can't fulfill those steps as I dont have root access... can I? |
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| 20:11.58 | ajavid | oh root access |
| 20:12.02 | ajavid | no you're pretty much fucked |
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| 20:12.13 | nse | valdyn: Yes. But I am afraid it was not it because I also did a dpk-reconfigure xserver-xorg before restarting the server. |
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| 20:12.18 | denysonique-lapt | Hi |
| 20:12.25 | valdyn | nse: thats equivalent |
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| 20:12.29 | ajavid | you can try to build on gentoo and move to the user and run it from the users home but thats painful |
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| 20:12.33 | hanibana | valdyn: I have compiz on Debian Lenny. But, it's just a fun! I can Not use it forever. It's slow.... Yes, the point is that. Ubuntu has done that out of box and used some of compiz effects, but what can I do for Debian? |
| 20:12.37 | wonder1 | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends} |
| 20:12.42 | iamjay | haha.. ok.. I guess so.. |
| 20:12.47 | nse | But what matters is that it is working fine now. Thins is that I can't select a new keyboard layout - gnome stick with the old ABNT2 brazilian. |
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| 20:12.50 | ajavid | iamjay, just ask for root access |
| 20:12.52 | nse | I need to go US layout. |
| 20:12.56 | ajavid | iamjay, whose machie is it? ask the admin to install awesome |
| 20:13.06 | iamjay | well it's in college... :D |
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| 20:13.07 | jedi1 | hi |
| 20:13.13 | valdyn | hanibana: if you want it to look exactly like ubuntu you need to use the same window manager as ubuntu does, thats compiz |
| 20:13.14 | iamjay | but I could ask whether they can install it |
| 20:13.20 | wonder1 | is there a channel for developers ? |
| 20:13.20 | ajavid | iamjay, and you're tryig to ssh -X or vnc? |
| 20:13.29 | ajavid | iamjay, why do you want the remote deb machine to have a window manager |
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| 20:13.35 | simonrvn | wonder1: that's no biggie, just means it didn't get used |
| 20:13.40 | ajavid | iamjay, especially a school server |
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| 20:13.50 | jedi1 | I am trying to setup an ircd-hybrid server with global password, has anyone managed to do it? |
| 20:13.54 | ajavid | (I am guessing its a school server, or at least a machine there) |
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| 20:14.03 | iamjay | ajavid, atm I aint there.. but there are many machines where I try to set it up when I'm @ college |
| 20:14.16 | ajavid | iamjay, but without root your'e kinda fucked. |
| 20:14.20 | ajavid | very limited |
| 20:14.21 | iamjay | s/when/for when |
| 20:14.37 | jedi1 | mine asks for password but all connections are closed by server |
| 20:14.37 | ajavid | best thing you can do is to ask for root access or get the admin to install it for you |
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| 20:14.44 | iamjay | yeh |
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| 20:14.50 | iamjay | Thats why I spent like 8 hrs today to built it from source |
| 20:14.50 | iamjay | linking all the stuff and so on... |
| 20:15.03 | iamjay | I won't get root xs.. but I will drop them a mail |
| 20:15.07 | denysonique-lapt | I have installed Debian on my laptop and while loading the ath5k module at startup I get this error in dmesg 'ath5k phy0:failed to wake up mac chip' the system is Debian 5 lenny testing. I have installed it from a dvd from september |
| 20:15.33 | ajavid | iamjay, keep in mind, if they run debian stable, they will mroe than likely not backport a sid package for you. |
| 20:15.35 | denysonique-lapt | I have an Atheros 242x card |
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| 20:16.54 | iamjay | ajavid, yeah.. you'r right there.. well at least I can give it a try.. I can't work on non tiling wm anymore :( |
| 20:17.22 | ajavid | what is twm? |
| 20:17.28 | simonrvn | wonder1: come to think of it, check if you have a call to dh_shlibdeps in your rules file, to make sure you're doing it right. |
| 20:17.30 | ajavid | tiling wm? or not |
| 20:17.38 | iamjay | twm..? dunno |
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| 20:17.39 | iamjay | never heard of it |
| 20:17.44 | iamjay | fvwm, wmii are afaik |
| 20:17.44 | ajavid | !xwinman |
| 20:17.44 | dpkg | hmm... xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 20:17.46 | ajavid | go look |
| 20:17.55 | dondelelcaro | iamjay: tried awesome? |
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| 20:18.03 | simonrvn | i find tiling WMs irritating :/ |
| 20:18.06 | ajavid | dondelelcaro, thats what he is trying to get! |
| 20:18.07 | ajavid | :) |
| 20:18.18 | iamjay | dondelelcaro, I just had to laugh |
| 20:18.20 | ajavid | dondelelcaro, he has no root on a debian machine, which is stable |
| 20:18.28 | dondelelcaro | iamjay: there are packages of it in stable, and if they're running Debian, you can easily put it into your home directory |
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| 20:18.37 | ajavid | dondelelcaro, he wants 3.2, only in sid |
| 20:18.47 | dondelelcaro | then backport 3.2 |
| 20:18.50 | ajavid | told him |
| 20:18.51 | dondelelcaro | it's not difficult |
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| 20:19.06 | ajavid | he dosn't have any access in the debian machine |
| 20:19.10 | ajavid | apart from being a user |
| 20:19.14 | iamjay | for backporting I'd need root access too? |
| 20:19.21 | ajavid | afaik, yes |
| 20:19.26 | ajavid | but then again, I don't know as much as don |
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| 20:19.39 | dondelelcaro | iamjay: no. Just build it on a Debian machine that you do have access, and unpack it in your home directory |
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| 20:20.10 | iamjay | dondelelcaro, hmmm.. ok.. I could try.. whether I find out on how to backport actually |
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| 20:20.36 | dondelelcaro | iamjay: you'll also have to backport the large set of libraries, and set LD_LIBRARY_PATH appropriately, but that's all doable |
| 20:20.42 | nse | valdyn: Well, I have one more question. |
| 20:20.48 | ajavid | iamjay, you have gentoo, first you can use debootstrap to setup a minimal debian stable system |
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| 20:20.57 | ajavid | iamjay, in a chroot |
| 20:21.17 | ajavid | iamjay, then backport the libs and the wm, and then take it from there |
| 20:21.28 | dondelelcaro | iamjay: but honestly, awesome 2.3.3 is just as workable |
| 20:21.43 | sebo | s.a |
| 20:21.49 | iamjay | dondelelcaro, yeah sure.. but... all my configs I set up only work in 3.2+ :/ |
| 20:21.52 | nse | valdyn: Can I send the backup configuration file to outer space? |
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| 20:22.16 | valdyn | nse: xorg.conf? |
| 20:22.16 | valdyn | nse: sure |
| 20:22.16 | iamjay | ajavid, that sounds complicated too a bit.. I've got no real experience on this |
| 20:22.22 | iamjay | if just I could simply emerge it :D |
| 20:22.33 | dondelelcaro | iamjay: well, backporting it will probably be about as complicated as using the old configuration |
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| 20:22.43 | valdyn | nse: on modern systems that file is not needed usually, and if its needed your old one will be useless anyway |
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| 20:22.53 | nse | valdyn: Great. |
| 20:22.57 | ajavid | hehe outerspace |
| 20:23.05 | nse | :) |
| 20:23.13 | ajavid | the gang in johnny 5 movie comes to mind, short circuit |
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| 20:23.41 | ajavid | los locos kick your ass, los locos kick your face, los locos kick your balls into outer space |
| 20:23.44 | ajavid | heh |
| 20:24.02 | gravity | Yay no xorg.conf |
| 20:24.05 | gravity | Welcome to the future |
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| 20:24.09 | amphi | heh |
| 20:24.12 | ajavid | that'll be the day |
| 20:24.13 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: los lobos |
| 20:24.24 | ajavid | dondelelcaro, ahh, its been years |
| 20:24.29 | iamjay | dondelelcaro, well, I'm sorry I never ran debian before... can I just grab the stable package and install that one to my $HOME? |
| 20:24.30 | denysonique-lapt | to upgrade the kernel of an offline machine do I need just the .deb file of the kernel? |
| 20:24.37 | amphi | first no modelines, then no xorg.conf - where will it all end?? |
| 20:24.42 | gravity | ajavid: It's quite close actually. For the next release we won't have one by default |
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| 20:24.49 | ajavid | iamjay, you can download the stable package from the packages.debian.org site |
| 20:24.52 | valdyn | denysonique-lapt: depends |
| 20:24.54 | dondelelcaro | iamjay: yes |
| 20:24.57 | valdyn | denysonique-lapt: try and see |
| 20:25.07 | dondelelcaro | iamjay: and you may be able to just ask the system administrator to install awesome anyway |
| 20:25.08 | ajavid | gravity, dude.. dude... ok I'm speechless. |
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| 20:25.34 | iamjay | dondelelcaro, but this is gonna take years, as I know those guys. |
| 20:25.43 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 20:25.44 | ajavid | gravity, though.. is that a change in xorg? |
| 20:25.46 | dupondje | mount -t ecryptfs -o ecryptfs_cipher=aes:ecryptfs_key_bytes=32:verbosity=no /.temp /.temp |
| 20:25.52 | dupondje | why does it still ask encryption type ? :s |
| 20:25.54 | gravity | ajavid: Yes and a few other things |
| 20:25.59 | ajavid | gravity, or what exactly? new xorg wont' require conf and can do it automagiclly? |
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| 20:26.02 | ajavid | cool |
| 20:26.09 | gravity | ajavid: Yes |
| 20:26.12 | iamjay | dondelelcaro, I guess I need to get awesome package and all the debs |
| 20:26.16 | gravity | For most users. The rest can make a config. |
| 20:26.25 | ajavid | yeah, thats great |
| 20:26.33 | dondelelcaro | iamjay: you just need the awesome 2.3.3 package, and the libconfuse package (if libconfuse isn't already installed) |
| 20:26.35 | ajavid | by next release I'm guessing 7.4 would be stable |
| 20:26.39 | ajavid | should |
| 20:26.49 | gravity | I don't know |
| 20:26.57 | iamjay | dondelelcaro, alright |
| 20:26.59 | iamjay | thanks! |
| 20:27.10 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 20:27.10 | ajavid | lol |
| 20:27.12 | nse | Is there Anyone who doens't mind much resolving gnome problems? Thing is that the keyboard layout is being recognized by the gnome-terminal but not for some other applications like this great ircclient whom power of communication is being used to interchange truth by thy right now. |
| 20:27.13 | ajavid | lib confuse |
| 20:27.18 | ajavid | thats just hilarious |
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| 20:27.42 | Jaleks | regarding grub2 (yes i know its stated its not for production) - would anyone recommend to still use grub-legacy ? any disadvantages on grub2? |
| 20:27.52 | ajavid | nse, I think best would be debian-gnome channel also irc.gnome.org #gnome |
| 20:28.05 | denysonique2 | to upgrade the kernel of an offline machine do I need just the .deb file of the kernel? |
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| 20:29.09 | iamjay | dondelelcaro, ok I got those 2. But I cannot use dpkg... how can I simply extract them? |
| 20:29.10 | ajavid | Jaleks, I experimented with grub2, not much, I still use grub, but gonna mess with grub2 again... afaik disadvantages of grub2, instability perhaps? |
| 20:29.16 | nse | ajavid: Ok - maybe I need to restart this... |
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| 20:29.22 | Jaleks | denysonique2: should be enough, yep |
| 20:29.23 | ajavid | iamjay, ar x blah.deb |
| 20:29.27 | valdyn | Jaleks: grub2 is fragile |
| 20:29.28 | ajavid | iamjay, its just an arhive |
| 20:29.42 | valdyn | Jaleks: it may work for you or not. |
| 20:29.51 | iamjay | ajavid, thanks! |
| 20:30.13 | valdyn | Jaleks: theres a lot of things that grub2 can do and grub cannot |
| 20:30.17 | denysonique2 | Jaleks, thanks |
| 20:30.25 | Pillz | Can anyone give me a reason why booting Debian gets me one of three results? blank screen, flickering, funky colored and shaped desktop |
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| 20:30.43 | DB42 | i want to create a repository manual for only a few static .deb files, is there anywhere a |
| 20:30.45 | DB42 | nm.. |
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| 20:31.26 | ajavid | Pillz, card? debian version? monitor? is cable good? is card ok? xorg.conf + var/log/Xorg.*.log |
| 20:31.39 | Jaleks | valdyn: it's fragile out off your expereince or just because it's not really marked as stable? |
| 20:31.57 | valdyn | Jaleks: its alot more complex than grub |
| 20:31.59 | ajavid | Pillz, what about cli mode? |
| 20:32.03 | ajavid | Pillz, what happens there? |
| 20:32.13 | Pillz | Some legacy intel, Lenny, old?, yes |
| 20:32.18 | Pillz | and i dont know about the rest |
| 20:32.23 | valdyn | Jaleks: it can have drivers for anything, it has alot of drivers for alot of things already, more chances something doesnt work for your specific setup |
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| 20:32.29 | Pillz | since exiting X doesnt work.. |
| 20:33.08 | valdyn | Jaleks: "experience" being that i had to manually fix things, yes |
| 20:33.32 | ajavid | Pillz, go to single user mode while booting, give root password, get into cli mode, does that get fucked? |
| 20:33.36 | valdyn | Jaleks: theres no point in using it except to toy around |
| 20:33.50 | ajavid | Pillz, imo more than likely its your x and not the whole of the display even in cli |
| 20:34.01 | ajavid | Pillz, get me the info I asked for |
| 20:34.07 | ajavid | pastebin it |
| 20:34.08 | Pillz | eh will do |
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| 20:34.14 | valdyn | Jaleks: unless you say something /boot on lvm on raid is essential to have |
| 20:34.24 | Pillz | cli mode is? >> |
| 20:34.28 | ajavid | command line mode |
| 20:34.31 | ajavid | no graphical X |
| 20:34.37 | Pillz | ah |
| 20:34.39 | ajavid | !cli |
| 20:34.39 | dpkg | well, cli is a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1, ask me about <general cli tutorial> |
| 20:34.42 | Jaleks | valdyn: ty |
| 20:34.43 | negge | is proud of himself 'cause he managed to compile Kaffeine-sc for 64-bit:p |
| 20:34.44 | Pillz | no commandline mode looks fine |
| 20:34.48 | iamjay | ajavid, hum.. extracting awesome just gave me 3 files, debian-binary, control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz |
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| 20:35.11 | ajavid | iamjay, I'm not familiar with this method of installing/running a program, ask dondelelcaro |
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| 20:35.15 | Pillz | booting things go fine too. its just when X starts |
| 20:35.22 | felina_c | hi to all :o |
| 20:35.36 | Pillz | and since i did the LXDE netinst I know it wasnt a mistake on my part |
| 20:35.38 | iamjay | dondelelcaro, you still around... |
| 20:35.47 | ajavid | iamjay, but your stuff is in the arhives, I'mm guessing its just as simple as extracting and running the binary in there |
| 20:35.56 | ajavid | but it could be more involved |
| 20:36.00 | ajavid | i don't know |
| 20:36.15 | iamjay | but the binary is just called debian-binary |
| 20:36.17 | iamjay | without x flag |
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| 20:36.53 | DynamicPink | What command dumps a complete list of installed packages in debian? Is it apt-cache or dpkg? |
| 20:37.04 | petemc | dpkg -l |
| 20:37.05 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, petemc |
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| 20:37.17 | DynamicPink | thank you petemc |
| 20:37.22 | sharidog | hi |
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| 20:37.25 | ajavid | iamjay, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/#AEN66 |
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| 20:37.57 | sharidog | howdo i see what webcam my laptop use ? |
| 20:38.16 | ajavid | iamjay, or nmg or whatever its the same info |
| 20:38.23 | felina_c | how are you going? :| |
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| 20:38.27 | ajavid | iamjay, you should start using debian, forget gentoo ;) |
| 20:38.40 | Jaleks | iamjay: perhaps this (http://paste.debian.net/30823/) script i once needed after breaking apt can help you a bit on your way (not that you could use it immediatly, just for the way to try it...) |
| 20:38.50 | egoleo | hey i just managed to get lenny installed |
| 20:38.54 | ajavid | egoleo, yay |
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| 20:39.09 | egoleo | and how do i update and install newest softwares? |
| 20:39.18 | ajavid | egoleo, aptitude install packagename |
| 20:39.29 | ajavid | egoleo, or just type aptitude (as root or via sudo) |
| 20:39.33 | egoleo | but it seems in not in my sourcelist |
| 20:39.36 | felina_c | better apt or aptitude? :O |
| 20:39.42 | egoleo | ok |
| 20:39.43 | ajavid | egoleo, pastebin your sources.list |
| 20:39.45 | iamjay | mhh thanks alot guys! support in #deb sure is nice |
| 20:39.51 | ajavid | felina_c, we recommend aptitude |
| 20:39.53 | egoleo | ok |
| 20:39.54 | smack | ok, I've still been trying to figure out why my rhythmbox randomly starts playing. I opened it in a terminal and waited for the problem. When it randomly started playing nothing printed in the terminal. There isn't a bug on the rhythmbox page that sounds like mine. |
| 20:39.54 | egoleo | doing that |
| 20:39.56 | sharidog | how to check webcam hardware? |
| 20:40.03 | ajavid | sharidog, lsubb |
| 20:40.04 | felina_c | ajavid but is more complicated :( |
| 20:40.06 | ajavid | doh lsusb |
| 20:40.15 | felina_c | ..mah... |
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| 20:40.21 | ajavid | i think, dmesg should contain what it is when you plug the webcam in |
| 20:40.22 | valdyn | smack: have you checked key bindings? |
| 20:40.36 | ajavid | felina_c, whats more complicated? |
| 20:40.51 | felina_c | aptitude, than apt :o |
| 20:40.57 | smack | It starts without me touching it. Would that eliminate the possibility of key bindings? |
| 20:41.06 | valdyn | smack: maybe not |
| 20:41.08 | ajavid | its pretty much the same level of difficultly |
| 20:41.14 | sharidog | ajavid: Elan Microelectronics Corp < this one? i got 3 more with the same anser: Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub |
| 20:41.18 | felina_c | i see :o |
| 20:41.20 | ajavid | its not anymore complex for an averatge user than apt-get |
| 20:41.22 | ajavid | its fine |
| 20:41.27 | smack | I've had it start in the middle of the night and wake me up when I forget to close the program before I sleep. :( |
| 20:41.29 | egoleo | hey where do i paste it |
| 20:41.31 | valdyn | smack: see gnome-keybinding-properties |
| 20:41.34 | egoleo | my sourcelist |
| 20:41.36 | felina_c | but i'm not an average user :( |
| 20:41.37 | smack | *looks* |
| 20:41.39 | ajavid | egoleo, paste.debian.net |
| 20:41.47 | ajavid | egoleo, you have graphical X yet? |
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| 20:41.56 | egoleo | yes |
| 20:42.05 | ajavid | then paste on tne website |
| 20:42.11 | ajavid | !tell egoleo -about pasteer |
| 20:42.12 | ajavid | !tell egoleo -about paster |
| 20:42.17 | egoleo | http://paste.debian.net/30824/ |
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| 20:42.23 | egoleo | that is my paste |
| 20:42.49 | ajavid | ok you should be alright, you don't hae contrib non-free so if its not in souces then its probably in non-free |
| 20:42.54 | ajavid | you could try this |
| 20:43.01 | egoleo | ok |
| 20:43.02 | felina_c | nice repos :o |
| 20:43.07 | egoleo | can u also paste for me |
| 20:43.08 | ajavid | deb http://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu/mirrors/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 20:43.09 | egoleo | plse |
| 20:43.12 | ajavid | lines like this |
| 20:43.13 | smack | I see a play action defined on there as 0xa2. I'm just going to clear all the audio actions. |
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| 20:44.17 | ajavid | also to make updating faster, you can comment out the deb-src lines if you don't download src packages |
| 20:44.17 | smack | except volume up and down, I like those. |
| 20:44.17 | ajavid | egoleo, what are you trying to istnall? |
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| 20:44.17 | egoleo | anything new man |
| 20:44.17 | egoleo | and cool :) |
| 20:44.18 | ajavid | heh |
| 20:44.18 | ajavid | lenny is shiny new |
| 20:44.34 | felina_c | new like dinosaurs :P |
| 20:44.40 | egoleo | yes |
| 20:44.41 | egoleo | haha |
| 20:45.06 | simonrvn | ... |
| 20:45.14 | egoleo | hey ur code make my update complain of duplication |
| 20:45.19 | ajavid | egoleo, http://paste.debian.net/30825/ |
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| 20:45.39 | ajavid | duplication? what my code? I gave code? |
| 20:45.44 | ajavid | what are you on about |
| 20:45.54 | egoleo | checking it |
| 20:46.02 | simonrvn | thinks they're smoking crack or soemthing |
| 20:46.05 | smack | I shall wait, and see if my music player still acts possessed. Thanks for the info valdyn. |
| 20:46.06 | simonrvn | some* |
| 20:46.13 | ajavid | simonrvn, who is :) |
| 20:46.34 | simonrvn | scroll up |
| 20:46.50 | spacepluk | hi, any workaround for the update-manager problem? |
| 20:46.54 | ajavid | what am I looking for? dinosaurs? |
| 20:47.07 | ajavid | what is update-manager? |
| 20:47.13 | ajavid | I've never heard of it |
| 20:47.16 | simonrvn | nm |
| 20:47.34 | ajavid | GNOME application that manages software updates |
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| 20:47.41 | ajavid | ahh, ghey. |
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| 20:47.53 | Kuifje111 | hello all. |
| 20:47.57 | egoleo | hey check the errors i am getting http://paste.debian.net/30825/ |
| 20:48.00 | gravity | spacepluk: What's the problem? |
| 20:48.15 | abrotman | !tell ajavid about gay |
| 20:48.30 | Jaleks | when installing debian, at the point where one should choose the general tasks to install, there is at the botto the point 'standard', which does not show up when restarting tasksel manually? which packages are behind that point, how do i get hte list? |
| 20:48.33 | Kuifje111 | i am currently installing debian and it is asking me where to mount my second HDD, is /mnt/ the common folder on Debian to mount the drives? |
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| 20:48.58 | klync | Kuifje111: depends on what this 2nd drive is and what it's for |
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| 20:49.01 | ajavid | abrotman, :) |
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| 20:49.04 | spacepluk | gravity: When there are new updates and I click on the icon nothing happens. I need to open the update-manager from the menu or from console. |
| 20:49.08 | Kuifje111 | klync, it is for data |
| 20:49.09 | abrotman | it's not funny |
| 20:49.19 | spacepluk | well actually it looks like an update-notifier problem |
| 20:49.24 | ajavid | abrotman, keep at it, it will be. |
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| 20:49.35 | abrotman | yeah .. that makes sense .. |
| 20:49.44 | ajavid | egoleo, do you need volatile? |
| 20:49.46 | klync | Kuifje111: is this a server or desktop? e.g. i might make the big "data" drive /var for a server, or /home for a desktop |
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| 20:49.58 | Kuifje111 | klync, it is a server |
| 20:50.02 | egoleo | what is it for? |
| 20:50.02 | klync | Kuifje111: or, eg. /mnt/mybigdatadrive |
| 20:50.05 | spacepluk | I'm on testing |
| 20:50.08 | sharidog | give a thnz for who find me a bison webcam driver :) |
| 20:50.12 | ajavid | egoleo, /msg dpkg volatile |
| 20:50.17 | dbbolton | is there a utility to show how many packages i have installed from non-free? |
| 20:50.29 | spacepluk | dbbolton: apt-show-versions |
| 20:50.31 | egoleo | hey how do i install firefox, mplayer, vlc |
| 20:50.44 | Kuifje111 | klync, if I ask to mount it in /mnt will it then create a HDD in /mnt like for instance /mnt/hdb ? |
| 20:50.55 | DeSian | i have chmod problem, really i dont which cmod must i set! in /var/lib/mysql/user_webX_Db |
| 20:50.57 | gravity | spacepluk: Do you see anything in ~/.xsession-errors about it? |
| 20:50.59 | Kuifje111 | a HDD = a folder* |
| 20:50.59 | ajavid | egoleo, aptitude install iceweasel vlc; /msg dpkg dmm; follow instructions there |
| 20:50.59 | sharidog | apt-get firefox mplayer etc |
| 20:51.03 | iamjay | ok.. I followed that guide ajavid, dondelelcaro, got now all the binaries and libraries.. will awesome know where the librariers are/ |
| 20:51.05 | egoleo | and will i be getting the latest of all this softwares? |
| 20:51.07 | Jaleks | egoleo: in a console: sudo apt-get install iceweasel mplayer vlc |
| 20:51.10 | ajavid | egoleo, no. |
| 20:51.13 | klync | Kuifje111: you'd need to create a mount point inside /mnt ... are you running an installer atm? |
| 20:51.19 | Jaleks | egoleo: latest of your debian version |
| 20:51.19 | egoleo | what is no |
| 20:51.23 | Kuifje111 | klync: yes |
| 20:51.26 | ajavid | oh yeah, thats right, mplayer is in main now |
| 20:51.27 | egoleo | i a using lenny |
| 20:51.32 | spacepluk | gravity: let me see... |
| 20:51.42 | ajavid | i still get mine from dmm |
| 20:51.45 | klync | Kuifje111: yeah, then i'd do /mnt/bigdrive or whatever, if you don't know where else to attach it |
| 20:51.46 | egoleo | and i want firefox not iceweasel |
| 20:51.48 | egoleo | plse |
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| 20:51.51 | egoleo | how do i install it |
| 20:51.51 | Jaleks | egoleo: try apt-cache show iceweasel to see the version of firefox |
| 20:52.14 | Kuifje111 | klync, is it possible to change the mount point when debian is installed? |
| 20:52.37 | ajavid | egoleo, you can't have firefox and #debian support. |
| 20:52.45 | Jaleks | egoleo: if you have an affinity for GUIs try to install synaptic, just open a console and type 'apt-get install synaptic' as root or with sudo |
| 20:52.46 | sharidog | many years googling lot of stuff .. and now i just need a bloody bison webcam driver and i dont find bahhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:52.56 | klync | Kuifje111: yeah, and attaching it to /mnt/something is probably going to make it the most flexible for you to change later... if it's /home or /var you're going to have a harder time changing it down the road |
| 20:53.05 | Jaleks | egoleo: iceweasel s firefox, just the name differs |
| 20:53.05 | Kuifje111 | klync, so it doesnt create a DIR in /mnt if I set the mount point to /mnt? |
| 20:53.07 | egoleo | is version 3 |
| 20:53.09 | egoleo | i get |
| 20:53.11 | egoleo | for ice |
| 20:53.17 | egoleo | ok |
| 20:53.20 | ajavid | Jaleks, here I am trying to tell him to use aptitude, whichis better, and you're telling him to use synaptic, which uses apt-get |
| 20:53.25 | Jaleks | egoleo: (license issues) |
| 20:53.27 | klync | afaik, no .... but i haven't run a debian installer in at least a year |
| 20:53.39 | gravity | Synaptic uses apt-get? Really? |
| 20:53.40 | spacepluk | gravity: there're no errors |
| 20:53.42 | egoleo | ok |
| 20:53.44 | gravity | That doesn't make any sense |
| 20:53.51 | gravity | spacepluk: Hrm, anything in the BTS about it? |
| 20:53.56 | Jaleks | ajavid: were is the proble with apt? i use only that one and hve no problems at all |
| 20:54.09 | simonrvn | i doubt it... libapt perhaps... |
| 20:54.13 | ajavid | gravity, i think it did or something I know I was massively stoned in the past |
| 20:54.17 | gravity | spacepluk: Yeah, that'd be my guess |
| 20:54.24 | gravity | er... simonrvn ^ |
| 20:54.26 | ajavid | but I remember something along those lines, and as susual, my memory is vauge, bue correct/on the righ tracxk |
| 20:55.03 | Jaleks | ajavid: just thought a gui might be easier before getting serious into it... |
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| 20:55.25 | spacepluk | gravity: I'm new to debian, can you point me to the BTS please? |
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| 20:55.31 | egoleo | hey how do i install mencoder |
| 20:55.33 | gravity | spacepluk: bugs.debian.org |
| 20:55.37 | egoleo | i am using aptitude now |
| 20:55.39 | DB42 | what can be a reason for a size mismatch in a repository Packages.gz ? |
| 20:55.45 | spacepluk | gravity: thanks |
| 20:55.51 | Pillz | ajavid - would running this help with my X problem? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:55.55 | abrotman | DB42: bad mirror sync perhaps |
| 20:56.00 | gravity | spacepluk: No problem. If you don't see a bug then you can report one using the reportbug program. |
| 20:56.07 | ajavid | Pillz, maybe, maybe not |
| 20:56.10 | simonrvn | meh, sounds like a screwed up mirror again... |
| 20:56.12 | egoleo | hey is there anyway to make my desktop very sleeky like macOS? |
| 20:56.16 | DB42 | abrotman: the file size i d/led and the file size in the pakages.gz is the same |
| 20:56.23 | ajavid | egoleo, kde4 |
| 20:56.30 | abrotman | DB42: check the md5 ? |
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| 20:56.34 | spacepluk | gravity: ok :) |
| 20:56.35 | ajavid | egoleo, or gnome+compiz confusion |
| 20:56.35 | egoleo | ok |
| 20:56.41 | dbbolton | i'm looking at the man page for apt-show-versions and i don't see anything about repositories |
| 20:56.42 | abrotman | thinks the mirrors have md5sums for the Packages files |
| 20:56.46 | Kuifje111 | klync, thanks for your help, have selected /mnt/hdb as a mount point for HDB |
| 20:56.48 | DB42 | they do, sec |
| 20:56.50 | abrotman | !tell dbbolton about which repo |
| 20:56.54 | egoleo | so aptitude gnome-compiz? |
| 20:57.04 | ajavid | egoleo, dude you need help :) |
| 20:57.05 | DB42 | md5sum is correct |
| 20:57.07 | egoleo | haha |
| 20:57.13 | egoleo | yes exactly |
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| 20:57.22 | ajavid | egoleo, /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 20:57.40 | ajavid | egoleo, apt-cache search compiz |
| 20:57.45 | dclarke | here comes the same question you get fifty times a day, and I am sorry in advance. Where can I get a bootable i386 CDROM iso image ( just HTTP download or FTP please ) which allows me to install over the internet from a local debian mirror site? |
| 20:57.51 | ajavid | egoleo, /msg dpkg compiz |
| 20:57.53 | Pillz | ajavid: Debian should have picked the right graphics driver, so can I assume the problem with the flickering is that Xorg isn't registering my monitor correctly? |
| 20:57.58 | DB42 | any other issues that can effect it ? |
| 20:58.00 | simonrvn | !cds |
| 20:58.03 | klync | Kuifje111: sweet... glad i could help! fwiw, if i was setting up, eg a mysql server, i'd rather symlink /var/lib/mysql to /mnt/hdb/mysql than change /etc/mysql.conf to point to /mnt/hdb/mysql |
| 20:58.06 | simonrvn | !cd |
| 20:58.06 | dpkg | i guess cd is a Compact-Disc, or something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory |
| 20:58.10 | sharidog | (part |
| 20:58.14 | klync | Kuifje111: but maybe that's just me |
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| 20:58.15 | ajavid | Pillz, perhaps. you can try to manually generate a modeline and go from there, use cvt for that |
| 20:58.24 | ajavid | Pillz, you should really look at the log file |
| 20:58.31 | Pillz | ok |
| 20:58.35 | simonrvn | ... me in my icky illness can't think.. sorry for botspam... |
| 20:58.44 | ajavid | Pillz, /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:58.53 | Kuifje111 | klync, I see, well, i am not installing a mysql server. it is going to be a download PC. |
| 20:58.56 | ajavid | simonrvn, you alright man? |
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| 20:59.01 | ajavid | simonrvn, if not, get well soon. |
| 20:59.01 | Pillz | ok |
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| 20:59.15 | klync | Kuifje111: aah, so /mnt/hdb will be one big share? that's a lot simpler |
| 20:59.17 | simonrvn | dclarke: www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 20:59.23 | simonrvn | i'm trying |
| 20:59.26 | DB42 | Failed to fetch ... Size mismatch <-- i get this error, but the filesize / md5sum is correct, what can the problem be ? |
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| 20:59.44 | simonrvn | switch mirror |
| 20:59.45 | Kuifje111 | klync, yes. it will basically be the HDD for all the downloads, since I have a small HDD for the O.S. |
| 20:59.55 | DB42 | there is no mirror, it's a repo i'm setting up |
| 20:59.58 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps how would i find out what driver my network cards are using in debian |
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| 21:00.10 | simonrvn | then you did something wrong ;) |
| 21:00.13 | DB42 | ..... |
| 21:00.15 | DB42 | what |
| 21:00.19 | ajavid | *AFK* |
| 21:00.20 | klaz168 | anywhere that i can find precompiled intel vega drivers? tryin to find G33 chipset drivers.. |
| 21:00.24 | klync | DB42: lsmod, dmesg, lspci |
| 21:00.30 | simonrvn | just teasing |
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| 21:00.41 | DB42 | klaz168: for a mirror ?!? |
| 21:00.49 | gravity | klync: The xserver-xorg-video-intel package |
| 21:00.52 | klync | err, that was for bbelt16ag not you, |
| 21:01.00 | gravity | klync: Which is almost certainly on your system if you have xorg installed |
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| 21:01.06 | khaije1 | when i log out of xfce4 instead of returning to xdm my screen switches to character mode with a mode of characters and letters in different colors blinking... anyone know what this is? |
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| 21:01.27 | klync | gravity: are we all choosing random people to direct our responses to now? what did i start? |
| 21:01.34 | bbelt16ag | ok.. |
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| 21:01.42 | gravity | klync: Oops, sorry. That was for klaz168 |
| 21:01.45 | gravity | Bad tab complete |
| 21:01.46 | klync | :P |
| 21:01.57 | klync | gravity: i just did the same |
| 21:01.57 | gravity | hides in shame |
| 21:02.00 | gravity | heh |
| 21:02.03 | DB42 | so , nobody has a tip on what the problem can be ?? |
| 21:02.22 | bbelt16ag | that dosn't tell me anything.. |
| 21:02.29 | egoleo | hey what abt theming for gnome |
| 21:02.32 | bbelt16ag | all i got is the type of nic card it is. |
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| 21:02.42 | dclarke | got it .. thanks ! |
| 21:02.44 | bbelt16ag | its a mcp55 nvidia |
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| 21:03.00 | klaz168 | well yeah, just found out its installed but i tried reconfiguring x and it doesnt configure it properly, it wont start |
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| 21:03.01 | bbelt16ag | i am trying to figure out the quirks so i can using WOL on it |
| 21:03.25 | klync | DB42: i wasn't quite following... you're downloading a .deb file from a repo? and you get that error? but the md5 of the downloaded file matches? |
| 21:03.27 | bbelt16ag | the how to helped a little i got the wol to stay on the nic card through a shut down and boot up but i still can't wol. |
| 21:03.36 | bbelt16ag | any ideas? |
| 21:04.43 | jnewt | any ideas as to why i can resolve external ip's but not local ones, i am using shorewall and dnsmasq on my debian router box |
| 21:04.55 | DB42 | klync: yes |
| 21:05.01 | simonrvn | DB42: hm, i use reprepro to generate my repo's files... try regenerating the Release and Packages files perhaps |
| 21:05.06 | klync | DB42: have you tried running apt-get with --fix-missing? |
| 21:05.47 | DB42 | nop |
| 21:06.03 | DB42 | i'll try |
| 21:06.27 | DB42 | Size mismatch can mean that md5sum isn't correct ? not only file size ? |
| 21:07.23 | klync | DB42: well, it seems like an odd error, i find --fix-missing clears out a lot of weird d/l errors |
| 21:07.31 | egoleo | hey how do i install skype on |
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| 21:07.47 | DB42 | it's a one file repository, so i'm making a manual Packages file, what could i screw up there already ? :) |
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| 21:08.08 | lbt | DB42: do you use apt-cacher? |
| 21:08.13 | klync | DB42: oic, i thought this was from a standard repo |
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| 21:08.22 | DB42 | klync: as i said, no |
| 21:08.24 | DB42 | lbt: no |
| 21:08.28 | klync | DB42: sorry, missed that |
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| 21:10.13 | tisker | Hello everybody |
| 21:11.18 | tisker | Question: How to make functional short-cuts in terminal for open new tab ? I see Shift-Ctrl-T - and press - nothing |
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| 21:12.44 | DB42 | ok |
| 21:12.47 | DB42 | found the problem |
| 21:12.49 | BirdInTux | what is the apt-get command to to get xfce desktop |
| 21:13.03 | tisker | aptitude install xfce4 |
| 21:13.14 | BirdInTux | gracias |
| 21:13.34 | tisker | sudo aptitude install xfce4 |
| 21:13.39 | DB42 | i wrote md5sum instead of MD5sum |
| 21:13.56 | negge | anybody know the name of that site where people get to post their best Linux commands and people then vote which ones are the best? |
| 21:13.57 | tisker | People help me please |
| 21:14.06 | klync | tisker: something's wrong... debugging depends on your window manager, terminal app .... i don't know why, but have you googled for this issue (e.g. "crtl-shift-t xterm xfce tab broken") |
| 21:14.11 | tisker | I want shortkey in gnome-terminal |
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| 21:14.32 | negge | I need to make a script that watches a directory for new files and executes a few commands when a new file has appeared and I think there was a command for that on that site... |
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| 21:14.40 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
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| 21:14.52 | bbelt16ag | this sucks i just waned my system to wake on lan. |
| 21:14.53 | zleap | anyone know the status of qtcurve under kde, for debian ? |
| 21:14.53 | tisker | klync: OK, thanks I will google |
| 21:14.55 | klync | tisker: how about creating a new user and login to gnome with a clean profile to see if it's something in your user's settings? or you could look at the key codes to make sure your keyboard isn't doing something odd |
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| 21:15.10 | zleap | hi |
| 21:15.14 | Samuel-NotAFK2 | zleap: hi |
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| 21:15.17 | zleap | Samuel-NotAFK2, i just asked |
| 21:15.17 | tisker | klync: Nice idea, I will try |
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| 21:16.24 | tisker | How to make service info in irc off i.e. user has joined #debian etc... |
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| 21:17.08 | rektide | is there any way to rename debian users? |
| 21:17.13 | rektide | i'd like to rename www-data to web |
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| 21:18.04 | klync | rektide: you could do so with vipw and vigr, but i'm not sure you really want to.... could cause unexpected problems |
| 21:18.05 | Kuifje111 | rektide, you could del and create a new user and then assign it to apache |
| 21:18.06 | skyred | I am running problem with permission: when I logged in to a vsftpd server, vsftpd created two process, one is nobody, the other one is my logged user. why is that? |
| 21:18.17 | stew | rektide: use usermod -l |
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| 21:18.35 | bbelt16ag | ok the driver is forcedeth |
| 21:18.40 | rektide | manually moving the user isnt a problem; the problem is that debian packages blow up if i manually move the user. |
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| 21:19.06 | rektide | i can modify their configs, but any time they update the package, the package update goes awry |
| 21:19.08 | tisker | I's really to install rpm-package in Debian Lenny or not? |
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| 21:20.11 | tisker | I got vmware's in rpms I not know what to do with its |
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| 21:20.46 | klync | tisker: there is a .sh or .bin installer for vmware - that's what i use on debian systems |
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| 21:21.31 | tisker | klync: OK |
| 21:21.31 | klaz168 | i just reconfigured x and compiz seems to work slower than expected, how to verify that video drivers are installed correctly? |
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| 21:22.09 | Karl_Hungus | klaz168, they must be, afaik, compiz will not launch on indirect rendering, so unless you have DRI it won't run |
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| 21:22.31 | Karl_Hungus | klaz168, if it runs and its slow, then you have dri, but something else is wrong, you can check installing the mesa-utils package |
| 21:22.42 | Karl_Hungus | klaz168, then running the command glxinfo|grep direct |
| 21:23.08 | Karl_Hungus | thats what I remember, when I used compiz, could be different now |
| 21:23.26 | klaz168 | Karl_Hungus, in my xorg.conf, under Device section I only have >> Identifier "Configured Video Device" |
| 21:23.37 | Karl_Hungus | thats fine |
| 21:23.50 | Karl_Hungus | run the command i told you |
| 21:23.56 | klaz168 | will do |
| 21:24.06 | Karl_Hungus | klaz168, you can also find our your video drivers from Xorg.0.log |
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| 21:25.22 | smacnay | I am trying to get rdiff-backup to ignore certain directories but include sub directories by using globbing file lists. Seems that some exclude instructions over ride the include instructions. |
| 21:26.16 | tisker | How to search packages by its descriptions ? aptitude search <pkg_name> - search only around names |
| 21:26.31 | klaz168 | ajavid, direct rendering: Yes |
| 21:26.42 | klaz168 | ajavid, i guess its working alright? |
| 21:26.44 | Gun_Smoke | smacnay, yeah I believe that is how it works. |
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| 21:27.09 | ajavid | klaz168, yeah its good. you have dri like I said, why its slow, is because of something else |
| 21:27.36 | klaz168 | ajavid, well u cant expect too much from an onboard gfx card i guess |
| 21:27.38 | ajavid | klaz168, perhaps too many animations/plugins loaded? |
| 21:27.44 | ajavid | klaz168, yeh, that too |
| 21:27.55 | ajavid | klaz168, consult with #compiz-fusion |
| 21:28.00 | klaz168 | ajavid, didn mess with animations, only stock are on... |
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| 21:28.37 | klaz168 | ajavid, gfx card is G33, which is supposed to be up tp 384MB. thought ill b getting more than i wanted.. lol |
| 21:28.39 | ajavid | I mostly work in cli now so don't know much about compiz anymore |
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| 21:28.55 | ajavid | klaz168, the guys over yonder will be much more helpful than me |
| 21:29.05 | smacnay | Gun_Smoke, I am retrying a bunch of different commands and filelist settings to get things right but no luck so far. |
| 21:29.15 | Gun_Smoke | smacnay, have a look at the man page about --exclude-globbing-filelist |
| 21:29.26 | ajavid | klaz168, run glxgears |
| 21:29.41 | Gun_Smoke | there is also --include-globbing-filelist smacnay if that's what your after |
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| 21:30.17 | smacnay | Gun_Smoke, I have tried only --include-globbing-filelist and now am trying to use both an include and exclude. |
| 21:30.30 | ajavid | later |
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| 21:30.52 | Gun_Smoke | smacnay, yes that's how I would do it. |
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| 21:31.14 | klaz168 | ajavid, yea that is wrkin |
| 21:31.15 | tra3_ | hey everyone, are there any QoS solutions in apt? |
| 21:32.05 | ajavid | klaz168, then its something with compiz tweaking/configuation for your machine |
| 21:32.06 | klaz168 | ajavid, 5926 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1185.065 FPS |
| 21:32.20 | ajavid | klaz168, yeh I dunno what that means |
| 21:32.22 | Gun_Smoke | smacnay, in the man page around line 576 is File Selection.. that explains things pretty well. |
| 21:32.23 | ajavid | just french to me |
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| 21:32.46 | ajavid | i don't feel like working. :( |
| 21:32.59 | smacnay | Gun_Smoke, for example - I want /usr/local but no other /usr subdir. Seems I am getting nothing at all even though I have set /usr/local in include-filelist and exclude /usr in the /exclude filelist. |
| 21:33.13 | smacnay | Gun_Smoke, I will re-read that and see if I missed something. |
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| 21:33.17 | egoleo | hey anyone using latest skype on lenny? |
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| 21:33.36 | ajavid | egoleo, problem? |
| 21:33.49 | egoleo | i want to install it |
| 21:33.54 | bbelt16ag | hey is there a website with all the info and problems with the driver? |
| 21:33.54 | egoleo | instead of the version 2 |
| 21:34.04 | bbelt16ag | forcedeth driver? |
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| 21:34.25 | ajavid | I just get the statically linked .deb binary from thier website |
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| 21:34.36 | apostle | are there drivers for the SMY 02 signal generator from Rhode and Schwarz..? |
| 21:34.44 | ajavid | no dependency problems no BS, just that it may take a bit more memory, but I got plenty to go around |
| 21:34.47 | ajavid | and then some |
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| 21:35.12 | Junito | hi |
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| 21:35.46 | bbelt16ag | sigh i love being ignored |
| 21:36.04 | Junito | anyone know how can i do telnet throuht a usb/com cable serial for connect to a device? i do it from windows with putty but i'd like to do it in debian |
| 21:36.39 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, well, either no one knows, or no one cares. Considering how this is a community support venue, I'm guessing its the former and not the latter. So calm down. |
| 21:37.13 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, no one being around atm also falls under, no one knows. |
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| 21:37.47 | jnewt | what configures debian to open one gui or another. i want it to open xfce on boot, i have installed it, but it defaults to kde? |
| 21:37.59 | ajavid | jnewt, easy |
| 21:38.03 | jnewt | goo |
| 21:38.04 | jnewt | d |
| 21:38.17 | ajavid | jnewt, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 21:38.26 | ajavid | select xfce's # and hit enter |
| 21:38.43 | jnewt | that is easy! thanks. |
| 21:38.44 | ajavid | jnewt, if you have kdm/gdm you can configure it to start whatever desktop you want |
| 21:39.38 | jnewt | ajavid, i just want something lightweight, just in case, this is just for a file server and should never have to be used, it's a just in case thing. |
| 21:39.57 | foetus | i must compile centerim again..rrr till later.. |
| 21:39.59 | ajavid | all you need is ssh just in case |
| 21:40.19 | ajavid | jnewt, try a wm? *box wm? whatever |
| 21:40.31 | ajavid | xfce is fine, gtk2, but fine, I guess |
| 21:41.17 | jnewt | ajavid, i am not familiar with how to set up ssh, and don't know what wm or gtk2 is, but i have xrdp setup, and can remote desktop in from my xp laptop. |
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| 21:41.31 | ajavid | yeh, you're set. |
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| 21:41.35 | andres833 | hi |
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| 21:42.02 | andres833 | in the last night i trye configure my atheros wifi card |
| 21:42.12 | jnewt | ajavid, it seems to work, so i don't want to mess with it unless there is a need..."if it ain't broke, don't fix it" |
| 21:42.20 | andres833 | i can configure the wifi for my mb 105 toshiba |
| 21:42.35 | tra3_ | are there any QoS solutions in apt? |
| 21:42.42 | ajavid | jnewt, though aptitide install ssh; then from windows machine you can use putty.exe (google for it, or putty connection manager, putty with tabs) and ssh to your debian's ip on port 22, and ssh is secure SHELL, you will be like you're on yoru systems command line, and use it how you want, but if you want rdp, thats fine too |
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| 21:43.03 | amphi | !tell andres833 -about laptop |
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| 21:44.08 | andres833 | amphi, the solution is a litle angry but i function in my debian laptop |
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| 21:44.41 | bbelt16ag | is it necessary for my network card to be in promiscious mode if its been bridge with a virtual nic?? |
| 21:44.50 | bbelt16ag | can i turn off the promiscious w/o turning off the bridge? |
| 21:45.11 | ajavid | promiscious is what? |
| 21:45.13 | ajavid | monitor mode? |
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| 21:45.27 | bbelt16ag | for my network card.... |
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| 21:45.47 | bbelt16ag | its in promiscious mode meaning it collects all packaets it sees |
| 21:45.52 | ajavid | afaik |
| 21:45.57 | bbelt16ag | ? |
| 21:46.02 | ajavid | unless the driver actually supports it |
| 21:46.05 | jnewt | ajavid: ooh, that seems good too! hey, by the way, i don't get internet when uxing xrdp on the client computer...any ideas as to why that might be? |
| 21:46.15 | ajavid | you can't have monitor mode enabled and still use the nic for other things |
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| 21:46.34 | ajavid | for that I actually had to patch my driver on my wireless nic |
| 21:46.36 | bbelt16ag | so i can't have wol and the bridge then ajavid |
| 21:46.42 | ajavid | but I dunno much about this |
| 21:46.49 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, try ##wireless |
| 21:46.56 | bbelt16ag | its not wireless.. |
| 21:46.58 | ajavid | oh |
| 21:47.00 | andres833 | amphi, yes is a laptop |
| 21:47.15 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 21:47.16 | andres833 | amphi, is a atheros wifi card |
| 21:47.31 | ajavid | jnewt, no idea |
| 21:47.48 | amphi | andres833: did you look on the sites dpkg mentioned for info onconfiguring your model? |
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| 21:53.15 | karsten | So, presuming I'd created an encrypted partition to be used for /home at install time, how would I go about actually using this? |
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| 21:54.57 | jnewt | ajavid, worth a shot...ok, i changed x to use xfce, do i need to reboot to restart it to xfce, or can i switch w/o the reboot?, this is prob on google, but i have no internet. |
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| 21:55.32 | bbelt16ag | ya know the silent treatment wasnt necessary. |
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| 21:55.39 | jnewt | x-session-manager restart...? |
| 21:55.41 | bbelt16ag | i got it workin now woot woot |
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| 21:55.51 | kb3ien | networking question, my ethernet has an ip address which is on a subnet with the default gateway. my host has a loopback ip independent of the ethernet. How do i ensure all outbound network connections are opened from the loopback address, not the ethernet ip? |
| 21:55.53 | bbelt16ag | i had a wrong eth0 instead of eth1 or eth2 |
| 21:55.56 | Junito | jnewt control-alt-delete |
| 21:56.01 | res22 | Hello, I just upgraded to "testing", lots of things don't work, any way I can revert back to lenny? |
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| 21:57.58 | spacepluk | someone knows how to fix this? http://paste.debian.net/30831/ |
| 21:58.15 | jonsmith1982 | where can i find debians build scripts? |
| 21:58.22 | spacepluk | GConf error while trying to launch update-manager |
| 21:58.35 | abrotman | jonsmith1982: for building what? each individual package? |
| 21:58.41 | jonsmith1982 | yeah |
| 21:58.43 | abrotman | spacepluk: stop using update-manager? |
| 21:58.48 | abrotman | jonsmith1982: apt-get source <foo> |
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| 21:59.22 | spacepluk | well, sometimes I have the mouse in my hand and it's more convenient :P |
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| 22:00.21 | jameswhite | twss |
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| 22:01.22 | ijustam | I just the first apt update in 3 months and only got 1 changed package. Normal? |
| 22:01.26 | ijustam | i just did* |
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| 22:02.34 | jonsmith1982 | abrotman, aren't they accessible via a web browser? |
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| 22:03.34 | jonsmith1982 | so i can browse the source directory patches and all. like slackbuild scripts |
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| 22:03.48 | kb3ien | should i take this to a networking chann? :networking question, my ethernet has an ip address which is on a subnet with the default gateway. my host has a loopback ip independent of the ethernet. How do i ensure all outbound network connections are opened from the loopback address, not the ethernet ip? |
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| 22:04.20 | azeem | kb3ien: outbound network connections from loopback? |
| 22:04.35 | azeem | kb3ien: is this supposed to firewall off outbound traffic |
| 22:04.39 | kb3ien | yes pl/ease! |
| 22:05.22 | res22 | I assume theres no possible way then.. |
| 22:06.00 | azeem | res22: yeah, you can't |
| 22:06.00 | kb3ien | i want to allow connections to remain up even as the ethernet changes ip. |
| 22:06.09 | azeem | res22: wait a few weeks till testing settles |
| 22:06.47 | res22 | Everything seems ok except gui web broswers, theres a horrible lag when scrolling, affects ff and konqueror |
| 22:06.51 | azeem | kb3ien: how will the packets move from your loopback device to the connection endpoint? |
| 22:06.58 | res22 | Thansk anway |
| 22:07.00 | kb3ien | the routing table. |
| 22:07.07 | azeem | hrm, I see |
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| 22:07.38 | stew | res22: which driver are you using? |
| 22:07.44 | valdyn | kb3ien: persistent connections over non-persistent ip doesnt work |
| 22:07.59 | valdyn | kb3ien: you would need a tunnel and for that youd need a peer to tunnel to |
| 22:08.06 | gravity | That sounds like the intel EXA bug |
| 22:08.10 | stew | right |
| 22:08.21 | valdyn | !intel slow scrolling |
| 22:08.21 | dpkg | Switch to XAA acceleration by modifying or adding a device section like https://valdyn.org/xorg-intel-use-xaa in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 22:08.27 | kb3ien | thats not what i want. i want persistant ip on local loopback. only the routing table changes. |
| 22:08.27 | res22 | Latest fglrx driver |
| 22:08.36 | gravity | or... not |
| 22:08.42 | res22 | Well I was before doing dist-upgrade anyway.. |
| 22:08.45 | kb3ien | persisent connections over persistant ip in the face of changing routes. |
| 22:09.00 | gravity | res22: Check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to be sure |
| 22:09.22 | kb3ien | i'm looking for something cheaper than mobileIP. |
| 22:10.37 | valdyn | kb3ien: you would still need another static routable internet address |
| 22:10.46 | res22 | gravity: That may be the problem, thanks |
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| 22:10.52 | kb3ien | another? other than what? |
| 22:11.02 | valdyn | kb3ien: than your dynamic ip |
| 22:11.12 | Toad | hey, where's the appropriate channel to ask packaging policy questions? |
| 22:11.13 | kb3ien | who is talking about dynamic ip here? |
| 22:11.19 | valdyn | kb3ien: you are |
| 22:11.28 | azeem | Toad: here, e.g. |
| 22:11.36 | azeem | Toad: or #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 22:11.44 | kb3ien | i dont think so. each ethernet has static ip. |
| 22:11.45 | Toad | k thanks azeem |
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| 22:12.25 | kb3ien | dynamic ip other than route-solicitation is just nuts, imho. |
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| 22:13.06 | valdyn | kb3ien: you want static ip "as ethernet ip changes" |
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| 22:13.14 | valdyn | kb3ien: that is a dynamic ip |
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| 22:13.27 | kb3ien | as eth1 becomes desiconnected or as eth2 becomes connected. |
| 22:13.43 | kb3ien | assume eth1 get the same ip every time, some for eth2. |
| 22:13.43 | azeem | kb3ien: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 22:13.57 | valdyn | kb3ien: so you have 2 static internet addresses already? |
| 22:14.08 | valdyn | kb3ien: or are we talking local addresses? |
| 22:14.10 | kb3ien | trying to use the same IP irrespective of which interface is used. |
| 22:14.31 | valdyn | kb3ien: that still dumps connections |
| 22:14.40 | revlo | hi, is /etc/rc.local still used to start scripts @ system startup? is there a known bug that prevents it from doing so? (found nothing on bugs.debian.org and have troubles with it) |
| 22:14.40 | kb3ien | brb |
| 22:15.28 | valdyn | revlo: it aborts at the first error by default |
| 22:15.30 | spacepluk | now this is weird. the same code that throws an exception in update-manager works fine in the python console... |
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| 22:16.24 | revlo | valdyn: mhh it does everything I want when I do either /etc/rc.local or /etc/init.d/rc.local start, just not at reboot, there are links in /etc/rc.5.d/S99rc.local though |
| 22:16.42 | valdyn | revlo: rc2 is default |
| 22:16.55 | revlo | sec |
| 22:17.15 | valdyn | revlo: it might do what you want and still throw an error |
| 22:17.27 | valdyn | revlo: maybe you want to remove the -e in the first line or fix the script |
| 22:17.29 | revlo | valdyn: there is one link, too |
| 22:17.59 | revlo | fix what script, dunno where to start really :-( ) |
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| 22:18.27 | valdyn | revlo: add echo "debug point 1 " >> /var/log/mylog or somesuch |
| 22:18.47 | valdyn | revlo: or use the debug switch ( -x ? ) |
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| 22:19.03 | revlo | i alreaddy did with logger as I said nothing at reboot just when I do it by hand, everything is ok |
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| 22:20.39 | DeSian | is the owner from mysql.sock root? |
| 22:20.44 | DeSian | as default? |
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| 22:21.12 | uriahheep | ello |
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| 22:21.40 | uriahheep | anyone have an example keyscript i could use with crypttab to unlock my gpg-protected key during init? |
| 22:21.57 | uriahheep | docs on this stuff seem to be extremely scarce |
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| 22:28.05 | res22 | gravity: Reinstalling atis drivers did the trick, thanks |
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| 22:29.11 | zozo | I have experiment ramdom freeze with 2.6.26 2.6.28 2.6.29-rc8 here is the log (http://pastebin.ca/1363812) if someone have a idea |
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| 22:29.45 | sylar | Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no |
| 22:29.45 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.04 | valdyn | zozo: are you using ntpdate? |
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| 22:31.47 | valdyn | zozo: i think you have hardware issues |
| 22:32.42 | jnewt9 | hello, editing fstab for fileserver second hdd, hda1,2,5 from fdisk -l, , can someone give an example of what the options would be for mount point (/) type (/proc), options (defaults), dump (0), and pass(0) |
| 22:32.58 | zozo | hi valdyn no I'm not using it |
| 22:33.14 | jnewt9 | i don't know how they should differ from the hdb which is already in fstab. |
| 22:33.49 | valdyn | zozo: if you get some more freezes and oopses keep being all different, then its probably faulty hardware |
| 22:33.50 | zozo | I have test the mem I try using stress to test cpu no problem |
| 22:35.31 | valdyn | zozo: im an idiot, theyre not different |
| 22:35.37 | zozo | it s working on vista |
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| 22:36.10 | zozo | valdyn what do you lean |
| 22:36.13 | zozo | mean |
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| 22:36.47 | rdz | hi all. is it possible to set a label on a partition without formatting it? |
| 22:36.51 | valdyn | zozo: ask lkml |
| 22:37.10 | valdyn | !lkml |
| 22:37.10 | dpkg | well, lkml is the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there and ALSO read http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
| 22:38.07 | zozo | valdyn just one question what do you mean by "theyre not different" |
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| 22:38.40 | valdyn | zozo: theyre not complete, but addresses are similar |
| 22:38.44 | valdyn | zozo: partially identical |
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| 22:40.38 | pl4yer0ne | mornin all |
| 22:41.17 | pl4yer0ne | has anyone had problem installing lenny on a new intel i7 board |
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| 22:41.59 | pl4yer0ne | or with jmicron sata controllers not recognising cd drives? |
| 22:42.01 | valdyn | zozo: -> same bug hit twice gives similar traces while hardware faults give completely different traces |
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| 22:42.48 | valdyn | pl4yer0ne: is the sata controller in ahci mode? |
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| 22:43.40 | valdyn | pl4yer0ne: obviously lenny cannot know about hardware that is newer than its kernel. |
| 22:43.43 | andres833 | bye debian friends |
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| 22:44.15 | RoenieSrvr | i have a spambot on my XP/linux dualboot machine, i cannot get rid of the rootkit |
| 22:44.30 | RoenieSrvr | is my HDD MBR safe? i don't think so? |
| 22:44.39 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: how would we know? |
| 22:44.50 | RoenieSrvr | well, that's not really my question ;) |
| 22:45.05 | RoenieSrvr | if i rewrite the mbr using grub |
| 22:45.07 | jnewt9 | hey, i have added my second hdd (/dev/hda1, and /dev/hda5) and rebooted, but df -h still shows only one? |
| 22:45.17 | pl4yer0ne | valdyn, its been tried in both modes and the controller itself is not so new. Its someone else having probs with it, just thought i would check if anyone had any probs themselves recently. |
| 22:45.26 | RoenieSrvr | and format the windows partition, will that make sure it's all gone? |
| 22:45.38 | RoenieSrvr | or do i need to dfisk /mbr to clear it completely |
| 22:45.42 | RoenieSrvr | *fdisk |
| 22:45.43 | pl4yer0ne | jnewt9, hda1 and hda5 are the same HDD |
| 22:45.46 | valdyn | pl4yer0ne: 2.6.26 is not so new either |
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| 22:46.08 | RoenieSrvr | the MBR i mean |
| 22:46.09 | pl4yer0ne | yeah fair enough, i'll get him to try using d-i and testing or unstable |
| 22:46.24 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: i know, that is the one i am trying to add, hdb1 and 5 already have entries, and that is the one that shows up. |
| 22:46.29 | valdyn | pl4yer0ne: i dont know if theres any installer with a newer kernel |
| 22:46.50 | pl4yer0ne | ah yeah i'll check that first. |
| 22:47.19 | pl4yer0ne | jnewt9, whats the output of a dmesg? does it show both drives? |
| 22:47.37 | Kuifje111 | when i use aptitude search <app>, i do get all applications which match my <app> name, but I do not get the version number of every application. |
| 22:47.48 | Kuifje111 | how to view the version of hte package? |
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| 22:47.49 | Kuifje111 | the* |
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| 22:48.44 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: yes |
| 22:48.46 | Deimos__ | hi |
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| 22:48.55 | pl4yer0ne | Kuifje111, you use "show" to display that info |
| 22:49.04 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: there are entries listed for both, and it shows up using fdisk -l |
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| 22:49.26 | pl4yer0ne | yeah so its not mounted |
| 22:49.31 | Kuifje111 | ok, thanks pl4yer0ne |
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| 22:49.46 | pl4yer0ne | jnewt9, whats the output of "mount" say? |
| 22:50.12 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: mount has only entry for hdb |
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| 22:50.25 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: none for hda |
| 22:50.34 | pl4yer0ne | theres your answer |
| 22:51.02 | pl4yer0ne | if it isnt mounted df isnt going to list it |
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| 22:51.27 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: from reading online, i was under the impression that by adding to fstab it would mount at boot, is this not true? |
| 22:52.07 | Deimos__ | when I do apt-cache depends sendmail, I get this list of recommended/suggested packets http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sendmail . so why apt-get recommended to me to install exim4 when I do apt-get install sendmail ? |
| 22:52.20 | pl4yer0ne | no that is true, fstab is the correct place to list drives to mount on boot |
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| 22:52.40 | pl4yer0ne | jnewt9, check it and make sure that the lines for those partitions are correct. |
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| 22:53.28 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: i am assuming they should match the ones for hdb, although i cannot confirm this, i am looking at it right now and they are identical. does order affect anything? |
| 22:53.57 | pl4yer0ne | no order doesnt matter. what are you actually trying to achieve? added disk space? |
| 22:54.27 | pl4yer0ne | its possible that the filesystem isnt the same as the other drive so the mount is failing, try manually mounting |
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| 22:56.27 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: yup, that did it, it is the wrong filesystem. thanks for helping me track that down, i am going to read up on re-formatting, and then try. |
| 22:56.41 | pl4yer0ne | no worries |
| 22:57.39 | pl4yer0ne | just ping my nick if you want me |
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| 22:58.05 | pl4yer0ne | and by ping i mean make it highlight by typing it not an actual ping. |
| 22:58.13 | pl4yer0ne | shuts up |
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| 22:59.02 | getBoa | does anybody know how to make the laptop volume wheel to work? |
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| 22:59.58 | Agiofws | how do i search for the weave lib package again ? |
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| 23:01.06 | th0ger | getBoa: xev should be the first step, to see if the event is recognized |
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| 23:02.03 | foetus | is it a risk, when i use --enable-threads=posix --with-tune=blabla in the ./configure line ? (i mean the posix-threads) -- the apps are running fast, but im not shure, if its secure for consoleapps like links.. |
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| 23:02.10 | dude7064 | anybody here has experience working with SIM300 ? It's a GPRS module and need to have it commuincate with a microcontroller (WILL PAY if somebody is interested in helping me out) |
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| 23:03.57 | johndoe | how can i find out which wireless driver im using currently? (which one is loaded) |
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| 23:04.35 | muddd | ndiswrapper with some sort of option, can't remember at the moment |
| 23:04.43 | johndoe | -l |
| 23:05.04 | johndoe | im pretty sure its not ndiswrapper |
| 23:05.08 | johndoe | maybe its madwifi |
| 23:05.10 | muddd | did it work? :D lsmod |
| 23:05.18 | johndoe | k |
| 23:05.37 | johndoe | id say its ath5k :D |
| 23:05.39 | johndoe | thanks |
| 23:05.45 | muddd | np |
| 23:05.58 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: you still around, i am almost home, one more ?? mount /dev/hda1 says that hdb is already mounted on / ? |
| 23:06.08 | johndoe | they finally put the driver for x86_64 too |
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| 23:06.16 | johndoe | for months it was only x86 |
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| 23:06.48 | johndoe | >:) maybe i can get aircrack-ng working |
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| 23:07.10 | careta | hey people |
| 23:07.14 | careta | i'm having a problem |
| 23:07.17 | pl4yer0ne | yep im still here just getting a cup of tea =) |
| 23:07.42 | johndoe | jnewt9: try mount /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 23:07.42 | pl4yer0ne | jnewt9, ok sounds like your trying to mount both drives onto root (thats /) |
| 23:07.52 | pl4yer0ne | ahhhh no dont do that |
| 23:08.00 | pl4yer0ne | shouldnt mount things onto mnt |
| 23:08.06 | johndoe | huh, why? |
| 23:08.11 | pl4yer0ne | make a directory under mnt |
| 23:08.16 | johndoe | aha |
| 23:08.18 | careta | i keep getting this orange icon on the tray saying my "update information is outdated. this may be caused by network problems. please update manually.. bla bla". i keep doing aptitude update and safe-upgrade, no updates are found, the update cache is renewed, but after a suspend / resume cycle it appears again. |
| 23:08.29 | pl4yer0ne | /mnt/<yourdir> |
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| 23:08.47 | baz__ | i am starting a petition to get 10% linux desktop market share - will you guys sign? |
| 23:09.00 | muddd | no |
| 23:09.11 | muddd | money is evil |
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| 23:09.27 | muddd | beer is Mmm |
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| 23:10.15 | Daemon_Byte | hi all. I think I have my rsync set up but I want to test it. When I use the flag --dry-run it seems to run, doesn't sync any files but gives me no report. any ideas? |
| 23:10.19 | baz__ | i am starting a petition to include beer with every distro, will you sign? |
| 23:10.28 | muddd | yes |
| 23:10.28 | mmlj4 | baz__: you're about to get banned |
| 23:10.32 | mmlj4 | trust me |
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| 23:10.57 | baz__ | you think so? |
| 23:11.16 | johndoe | careta: just disable that program |
| 23:11.24 | mmlj4 | keep posting that and find out |
| 23:11.33 | baz__ | i prefer not |
| 23:11.36 | th0ger | Daemon_Byte: --verbose? |
| 23:11.40 | johndoe | lol |
| 23:11.57 | careta | johndoe: i kinda like it. and it's not memory hungry |
| 23:12.23 | johndoe | if i remember correctly i had it too |
| 23:12.25 | th0ger | Daemon_Byte: rsync is usually very quiet |
| 23:12.32 | johndoe | but then it got annoying and i killed it |
| 23:12.56 | pl4yer0ne | Daemon_Byte, try changing or adding a file and see if it picks it up |
| 23:13.00 | johndoe | as far as i can remember, its used for patches |
| 23:13.04 | baz__ | hey anyone know the debian equivalent of a petition for 10% linux marketshare? |
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| 23:13.16 | here4thegear | I should just give up now :( I did apt-get install php5-mysql and also apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 23:13.16 | here4thegear | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.36 | getBoa | th0ger: it doest show the string-> XLookupString gives 0 bytes: |
| 23:13.48 | getBoa | *doesn`t |
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| 23:14.12 | dustybin | i have built my server by mainly using apt-get |
| 23:14.12 | here4thegear | I should just start over I guess... |
| 23:14.16 | Daemon_Byte | th0ger: I'll try verbose. I just assumed dry-run was suppose to tell me what would have happened |
| 23:14.22 | dustybin | is there a way to convert the apt-get build of my system into aptitude ? |
| 23:14.28 | Daemon_Byte | pl4yer0ne: I did try deleting a folder but nothing |
| 23:14.57 | Daemon_Byte | th0ger: thanks, -v did it :) |
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| 23:15.54 | pl4yer0ne | yeah dry run doesnt auto verbose |
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| 23:16.35 | th0ger | getBoa: i think its the keycode you need, cant remember |
| 23:16.39 | Daemon_Byte | that's just plain daft. Why would you want a dry run without verbose? |
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| 23:17.44 | pl4yer0ne | It will print errors just not each and every file it transfers |
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| 23:18.09 | Kuifje111 | baz___, i sign the petition |
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| 23:18.18 | th0ger | getBoa: you might try reading about xmodmap, xev, keycodes, keysyms |
| 23:18.30 | getBoa | th0ger: hmm the keykode are 174 and 176 |
| 23:18.36 | Virtual | if I want to install my debian from scratch is it better to add only parts of kde or the whole kde package ? |
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| 23:22.20 | th0ger | getBoa: I have 'keycode 174 = XF86AudioLowerVolume' and 'keycode 176 = XF86AudioRaiseVolume' in .Xmodmap. |
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| 23:24.25 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: i have it mounted, but it only shows half of the space. is this where the extended part comes in? ie ext3? i see that this means extended partition, whould i need to go back to fdisk and create another partition on the disk to use the whole thing? |
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| 23:24.38 | dondelelcaro | iamjay: if you haven't figured it out yet, you need to LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/libraries awesome |
| 23:25.03 | th0ger | getBoa: and then a have set a shortcut XF86AudioLowerVolume to 'amixer set Master 5-' via the desktop |
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| 23:25.29 | pl4yer0ne | jnewt9, whats the output from fdisk -l (thats a lower case L ) |
| 23:25.41 | pl4yer0ne | sounds like you have more than one partition on the disk |
| 23:26.18 | th0ger | getBoa: the way you set the shortcuts depend on whether you're using gnome,kde,xfce of whatever. Anyway this is just the way my setup is. |
| 23:26.18 | jnewt9 | shows only /dev/hda1 under that disk. |
| 23:26.29 | pl4yer0ne | extended filesystems ext2/3/4 and extended partition types are totally different |
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| 23:27.15 | foetus | whats the main difference between ext3 and 4 ? |
| 23:27.17 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: it is showing that it is 250GB, but when i do a df -h, it shows size as 128GB |
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| 23:29.26 | pl4yer0ne | jnewt9, can you pastebin the whole output of fdisk -l please |
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| 23:30.59 | getBoa | th0ger: Im runnig kde... well, i'll try to do same as you did |
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| 23:31.25 | th0ger | !tell foetus about ext4 |
| 23:31.47 | jelly-home | foetus: it's very, very new |
| 23:32.04 | nse | Iceweasel and Epiphany are crashing after some time after a big upgrade I did recently. Is anyone experiencing the same? |
| 23:32.10 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: http://pastebin.com/d5b8591c0 |
| 23:32.50 | sylar | hi |
| 23:32.53 | nse | I am using debian testing and entering normal webpages like fotologs and hyves which are enough for the crash to happen. |
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| 23:34.25 | pl4yer0ne | yeah thats wierd jnewt9 looks fine at first glance, give me a minute as real work calls |
| 23:34.28 | sylar | I moved my system to raid5, and boot from an other partition, and now it still remember an old partition in the middle of boot and ask me its place, i give it the new place and it continues, but where does it get that old partition from ? my fstab don't have it nor does menu.lst |
| 23:34.31 | sylar | ? |
| 23:34.38 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: of course, thanks |
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| 23:35.10 | th0ger | getBoa: good luck |
| 23:35.15 | th0ger | Zzzz |
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| 23:41.08 | jetscreamer | apt-file ? apt-cache? |
| 23:41.13 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 23:41.14 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt, or <bot help> |
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| 23:46.34 | GhostlyDeath | I'm trying to compile a kernel module (stk11xx), however I need the include "media/v4l2-ioctl.h" which does not exist, there is no package that contains the file except the 2.6.28 headers however linux-kbuild-2.6.28 does not exist, is there a way to install the correct headers to compile on 2.6.26? |
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| 23:50.26 | jetscreamer | use the .28 source? |
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| 23:51.22 | stew | GhostlyDeath: the linux-headers-2.6.26-1-$arch package in lenny |
| 23:51.37 | kanzure | Does anyone know how to mount the new third generation ipod shuffles? I mount and it says that there is no space available- there's only 2 MB of data used. |
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| 23:52.55 | GhostlyDeath | stew: It is installed but it does not provide the include media/v4l2-ioctl.h |
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| 23:54.40 | jetscreamer | #ipod maybe no idea |
| 23:55.27 | pl4yer0ne | jnewt9, you still there? |
| 23:55.31 | stew | GhostlyDeath: you'll have to compile your own kernel then |
| 23:55.41 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: yes |
| 23:55.58 | pl4yer0ne | which output was listing the drive as 128G? |
| 23:56.11 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: df -h |
| 23:56.17 | jnewt9 | hda1 |
| 23:56.38 | pl4yer0ne | show me the line |
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| 23:56.57 | a-s | My keyboard driver does not recognize F3 and F4. I have just installed Debian5. In Debian4 it worked perfectly. Any idea? |
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| 23:57.04 | *** join/#debian lostson (n=lostson@CPE-70-92-95-80.new.res.rr.com) |
| 23:57.15 | a-s | XEV in xwindows returns here no code. |
| 23:59.32 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: /dev/hda1 128G 19G 110G 15% /mnt/data1 |
