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| 00:01.06 | jetscreamer | you didn't partition it in w2k did you |
| 00:02.07 | alexbodn | hello friends. how can i make a package run from /opt? i feel it may solve my problem to avoid overriding an existing package, while testing a newer version. |
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| 00:02.49 | jetscreamer | cd to it and run it? |
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| 00:05.04 | jetscreamer | unless you mean how do i get a .deb to instal to /opt |
| 00:06.51 | alexbodn | jetscreamer: you said it ;) |
| 00:07.16 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: it is only seeing 1023 cylinders... |
| 00:08.19 | pl4yer0ne | sounds like a bios issue perhaps |
| 00:08.27 | pl4yer0ne | is it on old hardware? |
| 00:09.02 | pl4yer0ne | no wait thats not it |
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| 00:09.58 | jnewt9 | i see that from fdisk. i tried to re partition, no luck. |
| 00:09.59 | pl4yer0ne | jnewt9, where is it only seeing 1023 cylinders? |
| 00:10.19 | nkuttler | alexbodn: you can extracte the .deb manually, man dpkg and put things where you want them. will probably break for most packages though |
| 00:10.46 | pl4yer0ne | did you try deleting the partitions on hda first? |
| 00:11.04 | flokuehn | hi. how do i reconfigure my xorg.conf file? i tried via dpkg-reconfiugre and followed the steps on screen but there are no graphics related questions. what do i have to do, making it work again |
| 00:11.08 | flokuehn | ? |
| 00:11.41 | alexbodn | nkuttler: i plan to build the deb from source, anyway, so how can i do it better from this point? |
| 00:12.23 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: scratch that, i was reading wrong, 30400 cylinders |
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| 00:12.43 | pl4yer0ne | yeah i was looking at the fdisk output from earlier it reads it all ok |
| 00:13.11 | jonsmith1982 | anyone know off hand if php5 has been compiled with fastcgi support? |
| 00:14.46 | alexbodn | it probably has. but to know for sure, get the source package, or maybe only the diff |
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| 00:14.58 | denysonique2 | HI |
| 00:15.02 | denysonique2 | Hi |
| 00:16.14 | pl4yer0ne | jnewt9, how did you create the filesystem on the disk? |
| 00:16.23 | sylar | init-premount pause my boot on outdated partition name. What should I RTFM? |
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| 00:17.55 | GinoManLinux | is it normal that the adobe flash plugin works on iceweasel, but not swiftfox nor konqueror? |
| 00:18.06 | denysonique2 | can somone tell tell me a url of a url repo |
| 00:18.17 | denysonique2 | I have just installed Debian lenny |
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| 00:18.28 | denysonique2 | and have no repos |
| 00:18.35 | denysonique2 | a uk one please |
| 00:18.36 | GinoManLinux | I'm on Debian Testing AMD64 |
| 00:18.39 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne, deleted the partition table, created one partiton for the whole space using fdisk. |
| 00:18.50 | flokuehn | hi. how do i reconfigure my xorg.conf file? i tried via dpkg-reconfiugre and followed the steps on screen but there are no graphics related questions. what do i have to do, making it work again? |
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| 00:19.14 | denysonique2 | I have no X |
| 00:19.30 | pl4yer0ne | jnewt9, but how did you actually create the filesystem? have you done a mkfs? |
| 00:20.09 | jnewt9 | no, i should see the full size first correct? |
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| 00:20.15 | nkuttler | alexbodn: /msg dpkg new maint |
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| 00:20.51 | jnewt9 | i got the full size on my primary disk while installing debian, it immediately had the full space availabel |
| 00:21.10 | alexbodn | denysonique2: |
| 00:21.10 | alexbodn | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 00:21.49 | pl4yer0ne | no the partition has the full space available but it appears that the actual filesystem (ext2 ext3 raiser etc...) is only 128GB |
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| 00:22.19 | denysonique2 | alexbodn: thanks |
| 00:22.19 | pl4yer0ne | when you install it automatically creates the partition and the filesystem, when you do it manually you need to do both. |
| 00:22.22 | alexbodn | nkuttler: thanks |
| 00:22.31 | denysonique2 | is there a special tool that can generate men |
| 00:22.46 | denysonique2 | generate me a nice Xorg.conf? |
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| 00:23.39 | denysonique2 | guys I thought that installing debian wouldn't me cause that much trouble gentoo is more simpler to me :) |
| 00:23.50 | GinoManLinux | I'm running an AMD Athlon 64 3500+, I have 512 MB RAM, and I'm on a ATI Radeon 4550 |
| 00:23.58 | denysonique2 | s/me cause/cause me/ |
| 00:24.02 | WX_0 | denysonique2: xdebconfigurator works |
| 00:24.09 | denysonique2 | WX_0: cheers |
| 00:24.17 | alexbodn | it's autogenerated. you should usually not need to change it, unless you have to, i.e. for a specian videocard |
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| 00:24.42 | denysonique2 | WX_0: you gentoo user :) |
| 00:24.49 | pl4yer0ne | jnewt9, what you probably want to do is unmount hda1 and then do something like mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda1 (or whatever filesystem you want on that disk) and as always when playing with filesystem watch out because this will erase ANY data on that drive. |
| 00:24.50 | WX_0 | denysonique2: I'm not, I'm about to be though |
| 00:24.52 | GinoManLinux | denysonique knows sed |
| 00:25.07 | denysonique2 | WX_0: I can guide you through |
| 00:25.17 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 00:25.17 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 00:25.23 | denysonique2 | WX_0: you help me on debian in return |
| 00:25.24 | WX_0 | denysonique2: It's okay, I think I can handle it - I did a test install on a VM |
| 00:25.30 | WX_0 | :P |
| 00:25.52 | WX_0 | denysonique2: Debian is very easy to use - stick to the community FAQ and this IRC channel, and you'll be fine |
| 00:25.55 | a-s | If shokey returns 6 codes for a key, how can I set that key it in kernel's table? |
| 00:25.58 | denysonique2 | WX_0: why on vm? |
| 00:26.10 | denysonique2 | WX_0: well gentoo is easy to use |
| 00:26.20 | WX_0 | denysonique2: We can move this to a query |
| 00:26.22 | denysonique2 | WX_0: debian seems to be more complicated to me |
| 00:26.37 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: it is making now, however, i don't think this is going to make the disk size change to the complete size. there is nothing on that drive |
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| 00:27.07 | denysonique2 | win 3 |
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| 00:27.38 | pl4yer0ne | I hope it works jnewt9 because I am pretty much out of ideas. |
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| 00:28.08 | a-s | F2-> 0x00 0x81 0xe1 0x80 0x81 0xe1 [20:26] |
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| 00:28.08 | a-s | How can I set these 2 keys in kernel's table? |
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| 00:29.33 | jnewt9 | holy shit, it did, never thought to go ahead w/o getting the right size from fdisk first...seems backwards. |
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| 00:30.22 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: thank you, i would not have made the file ssytem without your sugeestion until i got the right size ...(never) |
| 00:30.22 | pl4yer0ne | yeah the problem is that df and those tools report the filesystem size whereas fdisk etc report the partition size |
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| 00:30.45 | pl4yer0ne | glad to be of help |
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| 00:31.22 | ma3x | hello, I want to install RAID1 on HP ML310 G1, 4 Hard disks: 2X80GB, 2x160GB - ATA MegaIDE Raid is it better to install raid1 or raid5? |
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| 00:32.54 | jetx | new beta version of pda irc |
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| 00:33.29 | pipeline | ma3x: ATA fake-AID is pretty useless for performance. RAID1. |
| 00:33.58 | ma3x | pipeline: what do you mean? what's ata fake-aid? |
| 00:34.06 | alexbodn | bye friends |
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| 00:35.06 | pipeline | ma3x: haha I just googled your product; I didn't realize that megaide had ever existed, that's kinda fucked up |
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| 00:35.12 | pipeline | ma3x: raid1 is still your better bet |
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| 00:40.44 | andriijas | how long time is dd if=foo/disk1.img of=/dev/sda supposed to take if disk1.dmg is 75gb ? |
| 00:41.46 | \amethyst | andriijas: how fast are the two disks? |
| 00:42.19 | ma3x | pipeline: wouldn't raid5 be better? it would copy 2 x 2 discs |
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| 00:43.03 | \amethyst | ma3x: with raid5 you'll have 80*3 = 240 GB of effective space |
| 00:43.06 | pipeline | ma3x: on disks and raid that old, it's not going to win anything |
| 00:43.08 | liable | andriijas: that could take quite some time. dd isnt very fast |
| 00:43.20 | andriijas | \amethyst: 5400rpm, it took like 40 minutes to create the file from dd of=/dev/sda if=foo/disk1.img on another computer |
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| 00:44.17 | andriijas | but its been working for more than an hour of restoring the file to the disk now |
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| 00:44.18 | jetscreamer | did me saying new beta pda irc show up? |
| 00:44.18 | andriijas | liable: ah ok. is there any faster ways if im redoing this in the future? |
| 00:44.18 | jetscreamer | i was on the beta irc pda client |
| 00:44.47 | \amethyst | ma3x: with raid0+1 you'll have 80 + 160 = 240 GB of effective space |
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| 00:46.07 | liable | andriijas: probably. i dont have any suggestions though ;) |
| 00:46.31 | \amethyst | ma3x: err, sorry, not 0+1 but linear append of two RAID 1s |
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| 00:47.19 | monkey_d_luffy | cat /proc/partitions gives me information in blocks. Is there a way to get the information in bytes? |
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| 00:48.31 | jetscreamer | fdisk -l ? |
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| 00:48.48 | \amethyst | monkey_d_luffy: multiply by 1024 (those are normalized 1 KiB blocks, not actual disk blocks) |
| 00:48.59 | Multiply | \amethyst, you evil thing. |
| 00:49.10 | ofl_ | hi, how can i set the maximum numbers of open file descriptors ? |
| 00:49.16 | jetscreamer | /join #math |
| 00:49.29 | jetscreamer | i'm hoping some math will rub off on me |
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| 00:49.55 | ma3x | \amethyst: sorry, but what's linear append of 2 raid 1's, is it like one partition on two harddisks possible? |
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| 00:50.30 | \amethyst | ma3x: you do a RAID 1 of the 160GBs and a RAID 1 of the 80GBs, then use something like LVM to make the two appear as one large volume |
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| 00:51.04 | h2os | hello, have a fresh and it doesn't seem to load the kernel after grub hands "loading....", then busybox prompt, any ideas? |
| 00:51.35 | h2os | root bootable, reinstalled grub |
| 00:51.55 | h2os | ide HD on channel 0 set as master |
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| 00:53.30 | jetscreamer | so how is that multiple hd controllers bug coming along in debian |
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| 00:54.05 | jetscreamer | started in what, 2.6.14? |
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| 00:54.25 | jetscreamer | wow i can test it |
| 00:54.27 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:54.36 | ajavid | hm |
| 00:54.40 | quentusrex | Is anyone familiar with cuda libraries with perl??? |
| 00:54.42 | jetscreamer | hey dude |
| 00:54.53 | quentusrex | I'm looking to do CPU parallel processing with perl... |
| 00:54.58 | jetscreamer | somebody was just talking about cuda.. diff channel though i think |
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| 00:55.00 | merlincorey | 00:58 -!- mode/#247chan [+v galador] by Sir |
| 00:55.06 | jetscreamer | i thought he meant barra cuda |
| 00:55.08 | merlincorey | excuse me palmpasted |
| 00:55.18 | valdyn | quentusrex: gpu? |
| 00:55.19 | jetscreamer | knows the palm feeling |
| 00:55.26 | quentusrex | valdyn: yes, gpu processing... |
| 00:55.50 | jetscreamer | he might have meant 'which' |
| 00:56.09 | quentusrex | 8600 GT |
| 00:56.12 | jetscreamer | ok gtg i can't multitask |
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| 00:57.39 | GhostlyDeath | How would I compile kernel modules for 2.6.28 from 2.6.26 (since my system depends on these modules)? |
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| 01:00.31 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: 2.6.26 has modules that 2.6.28 has not? |
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| 01:00.48 | GhostlyDeath | Precompiled modules in the Debian repo |
| 01:00.55 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: like which? |
| 01:01.00 | foetus | make modules_install, whatever.. |
| 01:01.02 | GhostlyDeath | squashfs, aufs |
| 01:01.15 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: m-a a-i squashfs |
| 01:01.25 | valdyn | !module-assistant |
| 01:01.25 | dpkg | from memory, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare" http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant |
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| 01:01.41 | foetus | ah |
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| 01:04.10 | antiPoP | Hi, I have installed the flash pluging in debian, an it runs fine with iceweasel, but I can't get it working tith konquer, the pluging shows as imported in konkeror but does not show the flash objetcs? any help? |
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| 01:04.42 | shaft0 | I've setup my server using the "The Perfect Server Setup: Debian Lenny" guide on HowToForge (Falko Timme), and I'm curious as to how I implement it in such a way that I can register a domain, and have it point to my server. While the guide does a great job of laying out how to setup the server, there's not much more beyond that (with reason, obviously). That being said, where can I go to find a guide as to what to do from here? I'd s |
| 01:04.44 | shaft0 | looking for. |
| 01:05.27 | antiPoP | [shaft0] you need to do this from teh control panel of the registar |
| 01:05.46 | antiPoP | just buy teh domain, and look in their help doc, it's nothing hard |
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| 01:06.07 | shaft0 | antiPoP: yeah, but am I using their DNS hosting, or my own? What do I supply for nameservers? etc |
| 01:06.30 | shaft0 | I've bought the domains already, it's just a matter of implementing it |
| 01:06.32 | antiPoP | using teir dns is easier |
| 01:06.46 | antiPoP | use theitr nameservers and you will get rid of setting your own dns |
| 01:06.54 | antiPoP | i think thsi is teh easiest way |
| 01:07.30 | antiPoP | if you use goddady the have a nice control panl, you can even add subdomain with there |
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| 01:07.47 | antiPoP | other register will be similar I think |
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| 01:09.50 | jnewt9 | why does sudo samba restart not work says command samba not found? i see there was an issue with an old version, however, i show the newest is installed. |
| 01:10.01 | shaft0 | call it smb |
| 01:10.05 | jnewt9 | have tried that |
| 01:10.21 | shaft0 | try /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 01:10.22 | asg | jnewt9: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 01:10.30 | shaft0 | as root, or sudo, yeah |
| 01:10.36 | liable | use tab completion, or look in /etc/init.d for the correct name |
| 01:10.37 | jnewt9 | have tried both of those, command not found |
| 01:11.42 | digitaloktay | hi how can i see the correct Hdd temp? |
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| 01:12.04 | digitaloktay | hddtemp shows /dev/sda: SAMSUNG SV0412H: 241°C ---> 241° C O.o |
| 01:12.15 | jnewt9 | ok,updated again, works now, thanks guys. |
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| 01:13.56 | Toad | hrm |
| 01:14.04 | Toad | in theory one should be able to run rpmbuild on debian, right? |
| 01:14.15 | Toad | it's giving me an error about installing rpm packages on debian systems, but i'm not trying to install - just build |
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| 01:29.58 | BrotherJack | Thanks |
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| 01:32.43 | ma3x | \amethyst: is it besser to install etch or lenny for raid? or whatever? and how should i approach this? should i first install debian and then configure raid? or should i connect the 4 disks and then select raid at installation time? |
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| 01:51.52 | ma3x | can array be created using external usb hard disk? |
| 01:52.04 | ma3x | (raid) |
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| 01:54.43 | jnewt9 | hello, i am setting up samba for the first time, following simple guides, i have been able to see and access my home directory, but i can only see a new share i created. i went ahead and did a chmod 777 just to make sure it was not the folder permissions, still it says access denied from xp client???... |
| 01:55.21 | jnewt9 | i set it to public and writeable in smb.conf, still no go. |
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| 01:56.45 | Daemonik | I want to remove a healthy drive from a RAID1 array. mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --remove /dev/sdc1 prints out that /dev/sdc1 is busy. Is using --fail the proper way to remove it? |
| 01:57.01 | Daemonik | I intend to use this disk in another softRAID array. |
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| 01:58.19 | pl4yer0ne | jnewt9, do you want to make it totally public or will you be securing it to users etc in the future? |
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| 01:58.35 | oh_noes | Anyone familiar with publishing a deb package? I have a deb package with arch 'all' (it's java). When I publish it to repostory for apt-get --- do I have to publish it to both i386 and amd-64? |
| 01:58.51 | oh_noes | or is there a 'all' arch I can publish to, so a client can still download it? |
| 01:58.57 | oh_noes | or am I on the wrong track :) |
| 01:59.04 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: it really doesn't matter, whatever is easiest |
| 01:59.14 | stew | oh_noes: you'd put it in both |
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| 02:00.15 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: i see that i cannot create a file in my home directory either. |
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| 02:00.40 | pl4yer0ne | yeah you probably need to change the security setting |
| 02:01.13 | pl4yer0ne | what does the line "security = <something> " have in your smb.conf |
| 02:01.28 | jnewt9 | yeah, i see that in my smb.conf file it is set to browseable = no, yet i can browse, and the mask for file creation is 700, so i should be able too. i will look. |
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| 02:02.08 | jnewt9 | security = user |
| 02:02.24 | Daemonik | oh_noes, The dependencies of your package will be architecture specific. Check which architectures support your dependencies (the version(s) of java), and test your package on those architectures. |
| 02:02.50 | Daemonik | oh_noes, java isn't so architecture independent as they want everyone to think. |
| 02:02.55 | pl4yer0ne | ok for security = user you need to configure samba users and stuff (read about that in the samba user guide) |
| 02:03.07 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: i did |
| 02:03.19 | pl4yer0ne | for a simple file share on my local machine i have security = share |
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| 02:03.45 | jnewt9 | pl4yer0ne: maybe that would be easiest. |
| 02:04.03 | oh_noes | Daemonik: agreed, but for my use case as far as Im concerned theres no difference to me which repositorty it's published on, I Just want it available on i386 and amd-64 |
| 02:04.03 | ajavid | user level security is good |
| 02:04.56 | jnewt9 | i am not grasping the setup though, as i am unable to allow myself access to a share with user level security |
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| 02:05.19 | pl4yer0ne | ok hangon jnewt9 i'll try and find the relevant doco |
| 02:05.21 | ajavid | did you add yourself to samba users? |
| 02:05.24 | jnewt9 | yes |
| 02:05.30 | ajavid | using smbpasswd -a username |
| 02:05.33 | jnewt9 | yes |
| 02:05.36 | Daemonik | oh_noes, I'm using a PPC in the other room (dual processor G5) and my Nokia at home uses ARM. Is your package useful enough that I would want to run it on either of these machines? |
| 02:05.37 | ajavid | restart samba? |
| 02:05.41 | jnewt9 | yes |
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| 02:05.53 | jnewt9 | in that exact order too |
| 02:05.53 | ajavid | using smbclient -L localhost what happens |
| 02:06.00 | jnewt9 | one min... |
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| 02:07.18 | ajavid | jnewt9, also from windows, when you go to start > run > \\ip.of.you.machine what happens? it fails? you get a login box? anything? |
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| 02:07.56 | jnewt9 | opens a window with the shared folder and the home directory. |
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| 02:08.12 | daedhel | hi! i have a problem with automatic ssh authentification, anyone can help me? |
| 02:08.14 | ajavid | ok so whats the problem? you can't write to it? but user level security works now? |
| 02:08.33 | ajavid | jnewt9, simply edit your share's config and use the writeable = yes; directive |
| 02:08.45 | Daemonik | oh_noes, by the way the Nokia is an N810 is an "internet tablet", not a phone. There is real-world use of apps on that thing. So I'm not throwing some obscure non-sense at you. |
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| 02:08.59 | jnewt9 | i used that directive. i cant open the folder that i shared. |
| 02:09.00 | xoz | daedhel: ask |
| 02:09.18 | daedhel | well quite simply, shared keys just wont work |
| 02:09.18 | ajavid | jnewt9, pastebin your smb.conf |
| 02:09.25 | jnewt9 | no prob.. |
| 02:09.30 | xoz | daedhel: explain |
| 02:09.41 | \amethyst | daedhel: shared keys? |
| 02:09.47 | ajavid | public keys |
| 02:09.51 | ajavid | he means |
| 02:10.09 | \amethyst | did you use ssh-copy-id to copy the public key? |
| 02:11.00 | \amethyst | if not, does ~/, ~/.ssh, or ~/.ssh/authorized_keys allow group write? |
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| 02:11.47 | daedhel | xoz, serioulsy, there's not much I can say... ssh-keygen, then copy the identity.pu file to the host, then "cat" it to "/root/.ssh/authorized_keys" then cat mine to my /home/me/.ssh/id_rsa |
| 02:12.05 | ajavid | what? |
| 02:12.08 | daedhel | it sould work, it worked for other hosts but not for this one |
| 02:12.08 | ajavid | thats bogus. |
| 02:12.28 | daedhel | here: http://unformatt.com/news/ssh-automatic-login-with-publicprivate-keys/ |
| 02:12.29 | xoz_ | daedhel: try ssh -vvv |
| 02:12.39 | xoz_ | daedhel: check for the failure |
| 02:12.53 | \amethyst | daedhel: what do you mean "cat mine to my /home/me/.ssh/id_rsa"? |
| 02:13.06 | jnewt9 | http://pastebin.com/m79e70379 |
| 02:13.19 | \amethyst | daedhel: are you overwriting the private key with the public key? |
| 02:13.20 | ajavid | ssh-keygen -t rsa; scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to remote:/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2 ... |
| 02:13.31 | xoz_ | daedhel: you can also try sshd -d -D |
| 02:13.46 | xoz_ | daedhel: to see the logs of the sshd server |
| 02:14.03 | ajavid | afaik thats all you need to do in order to have that automatic login (I setup it recently) |
| 02:14.04 | stew | ssh-copy-id will move keys for you and get the permissions right |
| 02:14.09 | oh_noes | stew: thanks (regarding arch for deb publishing) |
| 02:14.19 | ajavid | so instead of scp should use ssh-copy-id? |
| 02:14.24 | ajavid | I didn't know if this util |
| 02:14.26 | ajavid | of* |
| 02:14.31 | daedhel | \amethyst, there are two files that were generated, one is "dentity", the other is "identity.pub". i cat "identity.pub" to the host, and "identity" to my /home/.ssh/id_rsa |
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| 02:14.52 | xoz_ | daedhel: you private key vs public key. |
| 02:14.52 | stew | ajavid: scp will overwrite, ssh-copy-id will append. scp will possibly get the wrong permissions |
| 02:14.59 | ajavid | I see |
| 02:15.11 | xoz_ | daedhel: try ssh-copy-id to automate the process instead of cat |
| 02:15.18 | \amethyst | daedhel: err, if it created a file called "identity", that was a ssh 1 key |
| 02:15.20 | lymeca | I run a Debian Lenny server which has 2 NICs and I configured one to have an internal 172.20.x.x IP address which is registered with the local DNS server. I recently configured the other NIC as 10.10.10.10 with a /8 netmask, but now all pings and SSH attempts to the 172 address is broken. |
| 02:15.30 | ma3x | \amethyst: you read my last question? |
| 02:15.33 | lymeca | The DNS knows which machine I am trying to access, but the IP address is unresponsive. |
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| 02:15.43 | lymeca | I can log in via the 10.x.x.x address on /dev/eth1 though |
| 02:15.47 | \amethyst | daedhel: putting it in ~/.ssh/id_rsa won't work, because it's not a format 2 key |
| 02:15.56 | pl4yer0ne | lymeca, check your default routes |
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| 02:16.07 | ma3x | \amethyst: is it better to install etch or lenny for raid? or whatever? and how should i approach this? should i first install debian and then configure raid? or should i connect the 4 disks and then select raid at installation time? |
| 02:16.10 | lymeca | On which machine pl4yer0ne? |
| 02:16.24 | daedhel | ok! i guess I was reading old howtos then |
| 02:16.27 | pl4yer0ne | the one with two nics |
| 02:16.36 | \amethyst | ma3x: are these four your only disks? |
| 02:16.55 | xoz_ | daedhel: you can try ssh-keygen -trsa. it should create private and public keys in your .ssh |
| 02:16.58 | ma3x | \amethyst: what do you mean? yeah i'll use four only |
| 02:17.00 | ma3x | why? |
| 02:17.09 | ma3x | any suggestion / remark? |
| 02:17.19 | lymeca | Oh shite, that's the problem! pl4yer0ne How can I check the default? |
| 02:17.30 | daedhel | xoz_, will it erase my other ones? |
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| 02:17.48 | pl4yer0ne | man route =D |
| 02:18.01 | xoz_ | daedhel: yep. but maybe it is better your regenerate because you are using old ssh |
| 02:18.02 | \amethyst | ma3x: actually, I'm not the best person to ask... if you don't have hardware RAID, I'd select LVM in the lenny install |
| 02:18.27 | stew | daedhel: that is telling you to use dsa, you don't want dsa you want rsa |
| 02:19.00 | \amethyst | ma3x: "Configure the Logical Volume Manager" |
| 02:19.12 | pl4yer0ne | lymeca, basically the default route is the one like this: 0.0.0.0 172.16.x.x 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 02:19.12 | ma3x | \amethyst: is that the option the debian installer has? |
| 02:19.20 | \amethyst | ma3x: yes, in partitioning |
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| 02:19.37 | pl4yer0ne | if you have two lines that start with 0.0.0.0 you will get wierd problems |
| 02:19.41 | xoz_ | daedhel: and install keychain for key management |
| 02:19.41 | ma3x | \amethyst: and then? |
| 02:19.44 | stew | daedhel: just run "ssh-keygen" with no args. then run "ssh-copy-id user@remotehost" |
| 02:19.51 | lymeca | pl4yer0ne: Yeah I'm reading, but the one I need to delete says this: default 10.10.10.10 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 02:19.51 | jnewt9 | to anyone trying to help me with the samba problem, i fixed it, thanks for looking :) |
| 02:20.16 | lymeca | route del -net is as far as I have gotten |
| 02:20.22 | \amethyst | ma3x: I'm maybe not the best person to ask... I have kind of limited experience with LVM in Linux |
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| 02:20.34 | abrotman | limited? |
| 02:20.36 | ma3x | \amethyst: i have one usb external disk. can I try and make raid1 with my laptop's hd? |
| 02:20.45 | ma3x | here comes abrotman |
| 02:20.58 | xoz_ | daedhel: and install ssh-askpass and add ssh-add < /dev/null to your xsession |
| 02:21.01 | pl4yer0ne | lymeca, you want to route your 10.10.10.10 traffic via that interface rather than have it as the default |
| 02:21.25 | lymeca | Yeah I have a good route entry for that already |
| 02:21.28 | xoz_ | daedhel: then you can ssh remote with just one time authentication |
| 02:21.34 | lymeca | It's just I have two "default" ones I need to obliterate |
| 02:21.44 | pl4yer0ne | ah ok then yeah just delete that default route |
| 02:21.45 | ajavid | obliteration! |
| 02:21.49 | lymeca | route del default worked |
| 02:21.59 | lymeca | Thank you! |
| 02:22.03 | pl4yer0ne | you may have to re-add the real default |
| 02:22.18 | lymeca | nope it stayed |
| 02:22.21 | lymeca | magik |
| 02:22.30 | daedhel | xoz_, yeah but I am logged in here as daedhel, and i want to log on host with root |
| 02:22.37 | \amethyst | ma3x: abrotman knows far more than I do, listen to him :) |
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| 02:22.55 | xoz_ | daedhel: don't ssh as root. |
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| 02:23.11 | ajavid | uhm |
| 02:23.16 | abrotman | \amethyst: ma3x never listens to me anyways ... |
| 02:23.19 | ma3x | abrotman: can you help out? |
| 02:23.23 | ma3x | heh :) |
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| 02:23.40 | ajavid | I wrote a song once called ma3x_sucks back in oklahoma |
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| 02:23.49 | ajavid | think it applies right now ;) |
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| 02:23.50 | xoz_ | abrotman: attention deficit disorder :) |
| 02:24.00 | antiPoP | Hi, I have installed the flash pluging in debian lenny, an it runs fine with iceweasel, but I can't get it working tith konqueror, the pluging shows as imported in konkeror but does not show the flash objetcs. Any help? Thanks. |
| 02:24.03 | ma3x | ajavid: don't fukin troll |
| 02:24.31 | ajavid | I couldn't even if I tried, I suck at trolling, I've never been able to troll |
| 02:24.38 | abrotman | agreed |
| 02:24.39 | daedhel | xoz_, ok one shared key os ok |
| 02:24.40 | simonrvn | i think he was being serious |
| 02:24.52 | ajavid | so was I. |
| 02:24.58 | daedhel | xoz_ how do i do the 2nd one without erasing the first? |
| 02:25.06 | simonrvn | ajavid: i meant you |
| 02:25.08 | ajavid | oh |
| 02:25.12 | xoz_ | daedhel: if you are using X, enable use-ssh-agent in gdm or kdm |
| 02:25.12 | \amethyst | daedhel: you used ssh-copy-id ? use it again |
| 02:25.12 | ajavid | hehe, yes yes I was |
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| 02:25.26 | \amethyst | daedhel: oh, you mean how to generate the second key |
| 02:25.36 | xoz_ | daedhel: you generate the keys one and ssh-copy-id to all your remote the public key |
| 02:25.46 | xoz_ | daedhel: s/one/once |
| 02:25.49 | daedhel | \amethyst, ohh my god, i didn't realise I could use the same shared keys for multiple hosts lol |
| 02:25.56 | xoz_ | daedhel: haha |
| 02:26.02 | daedhel | lol |
| 02:26.11 | xoz_ | daedhel: you should read the public key cryptography seminal paper. |
| 02:26.19 | daedhel | wut? |
| 02:26.32 | daedhel | if a need a sleep pill, I will |
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| 02:26.56 | ajavid | lol |
| 02:26.58 | daedhel | i guess you're right tho |
| 02:27.15 | xoz_ | daedhel: http://www.simonsingh.net/The_Code_Book.html is a good book :) |
| 02:27.27 | daedhel | ok thanks! |
| 02:27.41 | xoz_ | daedhel: if you are interested more on the history of encryption :) |
| 02:27.53 | xoz_ | daedhel: and the reasons why they develop rsa |
| 02:27.53 | \amethyst | daedhel: you can use the same public key on multiple remote hosts, and multiple public keys on the same remote host |
| 02:28.31 | xoz_ | one-to-many and many-to-one for public keys... but one private key |
| 02:28.43 | xoz_ | for each public key pair |
| 02:28.50 | \amethyst | daedhel: so if you want to give someone else root access temporarily, you generate a new for them, append the pubkey to root's authorized_keys, then you can revoke it later when they don't need access anymore |
| 02:29.08 | \amethyst | s/a new/a new keypair/ |
| 02:29.29 | daedhel | thats sweet |
| 02:29.31 | \amethyst | (though, since they'd have root access, they could just backdoor your system) |
| 02:29.32 | \amethyst | :) |
| 02:29.48 | daedhel | the root problem |
| 02:29.52 | xoz_ | daedhel: root access is inviting trouble man |
| 02:30.00 | daedhel | i ssh root only on my sandboxes tho |
| 02:30.28 | daedhel | yeah |
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| 02:30.39 | \amethyst | hm... does sshd support logging the pubkey used to gain access? |
| 02:30.58 | simonrvn | the user who used one, yes |
| 02:31.17 | \amethyst | I mean, which pubkey in that user's authorized_keys was used |
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| 02:31.49 | simonrvn | sshd[XXXXX]: Accepted publickey for yyyyyyy from XXXXXXXXX port XXXXX ssh2 |
| 02:31.59 | \amethyst | :( |
| 02:32.04 | simonrvn | no, but the man might say |
| 02:32.36 | \amethyst | that's the principal advantage I can think of for sudo over ssh-to-localhost for managing access to the root account---sudo is more auditable |
| 02:32.56 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 02:33.03 | \amethyst | (su being unacceptible because that requires changing the password when you fire somebody) |
| 02:33.09 | daedhel | wait what? sudo over ssh? |
| 02:33.30 | daedhel | ok u meane onse logged |
| 02:33.42 | daedhel | lol *ok you mean once logged* |
| 02:33.43 | simonrvn | "unacceptable" |
| 02:33.44 | \amethyst | daedhel: some people prefer not to grant any direct access to the root account |
| 02:34.17 | xoz_ | daedhel: you can do, ssh <remote> sudo <command> |
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| 02:34.48 | xoz_ | daedhel: and that will be logged |
| 02:35.04 | daedhel | yeah... but I need a constant su access, since I mount my host with sshfs |
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| 02:35.35 | xoz_ | daedhel: then ssh to the remote and use sudo bash to get root shell |
| 02:36.09 | daedhel | i'll try that! thanks |
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| 02:38.49 | famicom | ello |
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| 02:39.21 | abrotman | /nick megadrive |
| 02:39.22 | famicom | is there any way i can kill off scripts such as postinst.sh or postrm.sh |
| 02:39.30 | gronnoal | Abiword cannot start after a recent upgrade of my 'testing'. It hangs in a loop. Anyway else have this problem? |
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| 02:40.01 | famicom | gronnoal it loops where? |
| 02:40.20 | famicom | install scripts, binary? |
| 02:40.36 | famicom | not to mention, which version? |
| 02:40.50 | xoz_ | famicom: cd /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 02:40.58 | gronnoal | famicom: loops in a white screen. |
| 02:41.28 | xoz_ | famicom: you can see the postinst.sh there and place # to the commands you don't want executed |
| 02:41.48 | famicom | xoz_ yeah, but what if i want to install it BEFORE i install the package |
| 02:42.03 | famicom | should i just create a file named postinst.sh with exit 0 in it? |
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| 02:42.03 | gronnoal | it's abiword version 2.4.6-5+b1. |
| 02:42.21 | xoz_ | famicom: you mean preinstall then? |
| 02:42.30 | xoz_ | famicom: there is preinst.sh also |
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| 02:42.57 | famicom | yeah, well lets refer to it as $_maintainerScript |
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| 02:43.18 | CentHOGG | anybody here wireless RaLink? |
| 02:43.44 | famicom | i want to automate certain installs, but even with frontend=NONINTERACTIVE certain scripts do things that i dont want them to do |
| 02:44.11 | famicom | things that cannot be preseeded either as they are hardcoded |
| 02:44.28 | \amethyst | file a bug on that package? |
| 02:44.34 | daedhel | xoz_, \amethyst , and all the other who helped, thanks a lot, its working perfectly now |
| 02:44.52 | famicom | i'd rather not deal with maintainer politics |
| 02:45.10 | simonrvn | ... |
| 02:45.16 | \amethyst | err..if a package's maintainer scripts are doing user interaction without going through debconf, that's a BUG |
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| 02:45.22 | \amethyst | a serious one too |
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| 02:45.48 | \amethyst | oh |
| 02:46.01 | \amethyst | hm, no I guess it's not serious, just a bug |
| 02:46.13 | famicom | it's not user interaction, it's stuff such as creating new users and homedirs |
| 02:46.14 | \amethyst | I had thought it was a must, but apparently it's just a should |
| 02:46.22 | \amethyst | OH |
| 02:46.34 | \amethyst | that has nothing to do with the frontend, then |
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| 02:46.51 | famicom | yup |
| 02:46.51 | zege | Hi, somebody awake? |
| 02:46.53 | abrotman | debconf wouldn't ask about that anyways |
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| 02:47.01 | simonrvn | zege: nope |
| 02:47.02 | \amethyst | make your own local versions of the package that don't do those things? |
| 02:47.06 | famicom | read the debian policy manual |
| 02:47.15 | jnewt9 | why is it that if i add a user "sudo adduser username" , then view users "users", they don't show, but if i try to add again, it says they exist? |
| 02:47.26 | zege | I've a question about LDAP. How do i define in LDAP more groups for a user than the primary? |
| 02:47.36 | \amethyst | jnewt9: man users |
| 02:47.43 | famicom | \amethyst doesnt that kinda defy the whole purpose of package management |
| 02:48.02 | jnewt9 | i a dumbass. |
| 02:48.12 | famicom | jnewt9, please join #ubuntu |
| 02:48.13 | simonrvn | zege: add more lines for the posixGroup. some attributes are multi-valued |
| 02:48.20 | famicom | they have more patience for your kind there |
| 02:48.23 | \amethyst | jnewt9: getent passwd will show you the list of users |
| 02:48.38 | zege | simonrvn: just add another gidNumer line? |
| 02:48.38 | abrotman | famicom: stop, if you want help here, be nice |
| 02:48.45 | xoz | jnewt9: or cat /etc/password :) |
| 02:48.51 | simonrvn | famicom: passive agressive trolling is !cool |
| 02:49.04 | \amethyst | famicom: being able to build local packages is an advantage, though having to do so is not |
| 02:49.30 | \amethyst | famicom: is it just a few packages that do things you don't want? |
| 02:49.53 | famicom | nope, pretty much all of them |
| 02:50.06 | \amethyst | what do you want to prevent them from doing? |
| 02:50.16 | abrotman | working correctly ... |
| 02:50.23 | famicom | gehehehee |
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| 02:51.09 | simonrvn | zege: both in the group you'll need another entry for the user, and IIRC another gidNumber yes. i'm not 100% well, so my brain not all there |
| 02:51.10 | jnewt9 | famicom: please join #assholes, \amethyst, xoz: thank you, i try not to be a dumbass, i do! |
| 02:51.17 | abrotman | jnewt9: why would you do that? |
| 02:51.38 | jnewt9 | abrotman: what? |
| 02:51.46 | abrotman | jnewt9: go down to his level .. |
| 02:51.48 | zege | simonrvn: np, its abou 4am and my brain isnt as well as it should be ... |
| 02:51.52 | \amethyst | famicom: I mean, if you want to entirely avoid running maintainer scripts, you could just unpack all the .debs, but you won't have a working system that way :) |
| 02:51.59 | famicom | yup |
| 02:52.07 | jnewt9 | abrotman: yeah, you're right, won't happen again. |
| 02:52.17 | famicom | let me find an example though |
| 02:52.23 | simonrvn | zege: lemme see something ok? i'll go check |
| 02:52.35 | abrotman | \amethyst: what .. you want to alias aptitude install to wget && ar x ? :) |
| 02:52.36 | zege | simonrvn: thx |
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| 02:54.02 | simonrvn | zege: no, you would add the user to the group |
| 02:54.21 | simonrvn | then a group lookup will turn up the extra |
| 02:55.21 | famicom | ok, i found a quick example |
| 02:55.29 | zege | simonrvn: i want to add the user to more than one group. But its the very first time with ldap&krb ... |
| 02:55.40 | famicom | in postinst script for pdns-server there a few lines that create a new user |
| 02:56.01 | abrotman | famicom: so which user would you like the daemon to run as ? |
| 02:56.08 | simonrvn | zege: that's fine. the gidNumber is the user's *primary* group number |
| 02:56.17 | zege | simonrvn: ok |
| 02:56.44 | simonrvn | zege: there's #ldap, #openldap, and #kerberos too |
| 02:56.57 | famicom | abrotman the user is fine, it's just that i want it to run as a different group |
| 02:57.03 | zege | simonrvn: than i have a try at #ldap thx |
| 02:57.30 | abrotman | you just said the issue was that it creates a user |
| 02:57.57 | famicom | yeah, with "--ingroup pdns " |
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| 03:01.34 | famicom | anyway, the script uses if [ -z "`getent passwd pdns`" ]; to check if the user exists, so i could just create a user BEFORE installing the package, but this is a hack and will break things |
| 03:01.52 | pl4yer0ne | anyone got any ideas for an mp3 player of large capacity that works well on linux and has very good audio quality that isnt a ipod |
| 03:02.22 | famicom | define large capacity |
| 03:02.31 | pl4yer0ne | 30G+ |
| 03:02.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | !gdb |
| 03:02.33 | dpkg | it has been said that gdb is see manual at http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/documentation/ , or run "gdb myprogramname" and when the "gdb" prompt comes up type "run" (or "run arg1 arg2..."). If/when your program receives a fatal signal, type "where" to get a stack trace, and send that to the maintainer. |
| 03:02.42 | \amethyst | famicom: you could usermod followed by groupdel at the end |
| 03:02.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. i'd pref a lnk to a wiki page, *copies dpkg* |
| 03:02.55 | xoz | famicom: you can hack your way with debian package management. that is the beauty of having text files instead of rpms. |
| 03:03.06 | famicom | i know :D |
| 03:03.13 | \amethyst | famicom: say, in the postinst for a package that pre-depends on pdns |
| 03:03.23 | xoz | debian is an endless learning process :) |
| 03:03.32 | xoz | you'll never get bored :) |
| 03:03.42 | famicom | thats what im planning to do now, just have the scripts do their screwed preconfig actions |
| 03:04.05 | \amethyst | famicom: err, sorry, just depends not predepends |
| 03:04.10 | famicom | then undo the damage, and rewrite the maintainer scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 03:04.28 | abrotman | wishes he could make this entire conversation a FLW |
| 03:04.31 | xoz | and with virtual thingy, you can experiment debian in a jailed or sandbox |
| 03:04.47 | karsten | abrotman: FLW? |
| 03:04.51 | abrotman | !flw |
| 03:04.53 | famicom | four letter word |
| 03:04.58 | abrotman | !flw0 |
| 03:05.01 | dpkg | <netdaemon> sweet, unstable has an nvidia kernel for amd64, i shall upgrade | <abrotman> !sid upgrade | <netdaemon> abrotman: i am well aware of the risks | <netdaemon> i'm bored because testing isn't broken :P |
| 03:05.13 | \amethyst | famicom: what's the problem with having the group anyway? |
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| 03:06.08 | famicom | i have a daemon running in the background that modifies the pdns db |
| 03:06.34 | \amethyst | okay? |
| 03:06.50 | abrotman | so you're doing something goofy, outside of the debian system, and want to blame debian for breaking it ? |
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| 03:07.39 | Cueball | Hey. What's the quickest way to enable HIGHMEM? I'm running 2gb of ram in my server but only 1gb is being used. |
| 03:07.40 | \amethyst | shouldn't the daemon belong to the pdns group or run as the pdns user then? |
| 03:07.46 | famicom | no, i'm trying to do something in a way that doesn't completely rape the debian policy |
| 03:07.56 | abrotman | Cueball: uname -a says what ? |
| 03:08.11 | Cueball | 2.6.26-1-486 |
| 03:08.22 | abrotman | Cueball: aptitude install linux-image-686 .. enjoy |
| 03:08.32 | Cueball | Cheers abrotman |
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| 03:19.52 | JordiGH | How do you change the X keyboard layout? |
| 03:19.55 | JordiGH | xkb or something |
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| 03:22.06 | oh_noes | Anyone know how to gpg sign a repository? |
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| 03:22.54 | JordiGH | setxkbmap |
| 03:23.02 | JordiGH | There we go |
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| 03:28.29 | karsten | oh_noes: In permanent ink? |
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| 03:33.34 | czq | so... when will lenny have the 2.6.28 kernel? |
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| 03:34.33 | JordiGH | czq: Possibly in about a year or so, possibly never? |
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| 03:34.46 | JordiGH | czq: Why? What do you need 2.6.28 Linux for? |
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| 03:35.36 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:35.54 | czq | JordiGH: pretty much |
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| 03:36.11 | czq | will i just have to compile it from scratch? |
| 03:36.25 | JordiGH | czq: If you want to use Debian stable, you shouldn't be buying hardware withing the past couple of weeks. :-( |
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| 03:36.38 | czq | ya well, too late |
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| 03:38.22 | czq | JordiGH: is compiling 2.6.28 my only recourse? |
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| 03:42.53 | JordiGH | czq: There might be a 2.6.28 Linux in unstable, but who knows. |
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| 03:44.14 | simonrvn | !trunk |
| 03:44.14 | dpkg | trunk is probably a term from version control systems such as <cvs> <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground and the stability (or otherwise) of the code there varies from project to project. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_(software) |
| 03:44.24 | simonrvn | !kernel trunk |
| 03:44.48 | simonrvn | !trunk kernel |
| 03:44.48 | dpkg | Visit http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel for information on installing the kernel team's latest experimental kernels. Also visit #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org for more information on these kernels. See http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage or ask me about <kernel package>. Remember these packages are previews and work in progress. Handle with care. |
| 03:44.58 | simonrvn | czq JordiGH ^^^ |
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| 03:47.19 | JordiGH | doesn't care much for newer Linuxen. |
| 03:47.50 | JordiGH | I'm still running 2.6.24 on my laptop, because 2.6.26 is full of fail with my wireless. :-/ |
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| 03:53.41 | simonrvn | JordiGH: :). just for reference |
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| 03:55.02 | piper69 | is there is a list of equivalent software that i can use in debian when i switch from M$ucks?! |
| 03:55.34 | JordiGH | piper69: Actually, I've seen lists compiled like that... but they're usually lies. |
| 03:56.04 | JordiGH | piper69: The so-called equivalences are usually very vague. Just get used to doing different things altogether. :P |
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| 03:57.09 | pl4yer0ne | actually i have seen a decent list of useful alternates recently |
| 03:57.32 | piper69 | JordiGH: for example in M$ i used Quickbooks, what is the equv for linux? |
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| 03:57.49 | JordiGH | piper69: I don't know what that uis. |
| 03:57.51 | JordiGH | is |
| 03:58.19 | piper69 | i have been using photoshop for 14yrs , now it will be a bitch to use gimp |
| 03:58.19 | pl4yer0ne | and the post i saw about this is gone so nevermind me =) |
| 03:58.28 | pl4yer0ne | quickbooks is accounting software |
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| 03:59.07 | JordiGH | gnu cash? |
| 03:59.41 | pl4yer0ne | piper69, does it need to be compatible with say your accountants system? |
| 03:59.43 | JordiGH | piper69: On the other hand, I've never used anything but Gimp, so I imagine I would hate Photoshop. :-/ |
| 03:59.53 | piper69 | pl4yer0ne: yea i know, my problem is i don;t know what to write in the search box :) |
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| 04:00.33 | piper69 | JordiGH: lol, yes it become a habit! thats all |
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| 04:00.53 | piper69 | so i am trying to break a bad one! :p |
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| 04:02.31 | JordiGH | I love compiz. I'm never gonna give it up. |
| 04:02.35 | JordiGH | Never gonna let it go. |
| 04:02.40 | JordiGH | Never gonna go and forget it. |
| 04:03.06 | pl4yer0ne | dude. keep your 90's at home where they belong. |
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| 04:04.30 | piper69 | JordiGH: compiz?! |
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| 04:05.51 | JordiGH | piper69: Yes, compiz. Window manager of the gods. |
| 04:06.03 | ajavid | gods? |
| 04:06.09 | ajavid | you mean window manager of the t |
| 04:06.11 | ajavid | 'tards |
| 04:06.21 | JordiGH | ajavid: Zeus, Mithras, Jehovah, that kind of thing. |
| 04:06.28 | piper69 | JordiGH: what does it do |
| 04:06.36 | ajavid | no man |
| 04:06.38 | JordiGH | piper69: FUNKY SHIT |
| 04:06.41 | ajavid | gods don't need to use window managers |
| 04:06.55 | ajavid | they can just think and stuff happens |
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| 04:07.05 | ajavid | and definitely not compiz |
| 04:07.11 | JordiGH | piper69: It makes your windows wobbly and spin and fly around and is the next best thiing until we get MinorityOS. |
| 04:07.48 | pl4yer0ne | I would rather stab myself in the balls than have my windows spin and fly around |
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| 04:08.17 | JordiGH | pl4yer0ne: Ring Switcher is pretty useful. |
| 04:08.27 | piper69 | lol @ pl4yer0ne " stab myself in the balls " |
| 04:08.41 | JordiGH | pl4yer0ne: Dunno, Compiz exploits our visual cortex very well, makes it easier to mindmap your windows. |
| 04:09.04 | piper69 | JordiGH: i will give it a try |
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| 04:09.19 | piper69 | getting ready to goto work |
| 04:09.29 | JordiGH | piper69: hehehe... >:-) |
| 04:09.52 | piper69 | JordiGH: it works in gnome.no! |
| 04:09.56 | pl4yer0ne | I mind map my windows with my er mind not with the window manager |
| 04:09.57 | JordiGH | piper69: It does. |
| 04:10.34 | JordiGH | pl4yer0ne: The animations make it easier for me to think of where my windows are, where they are coming from, where they are going. |
| 04:10.43 | JordiGH | Compiz is the existential window manager. |
| 04:11.06 | pl4yer0ne | for me the animations make things slower so they dont get out of my way as fast = bad |
| 04:11.43 | pl4yer0ne | if i tell you to switch windows computer you do it NOW not after you have a play with yourself with the pretty effects NOW! |
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| 04:12.03 | piper69 | pl4yer0ne: so what you use for windows manager |
| 04:12.16 | pl4yer0ne | compiz |
| 04:12.24 | piper69 | wtf |
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| 04:12.36 | pl4yer0ne | heheh no i just use metacity |
| 04:13.00 | piper69 | i was like wth |
| 04:13.37 | pl4yer0ne | but to be fair i have two 21" lcds so I have more screen realestate than some people |
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| 04:15.45 | piper69 | i have 2 17" |
| 04:15.49 | piper69 | :P |
| 04:16.23 | czq | thanks simonrvn |
| 04:16.37 | simonrvn | HTH |
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| 04:21.44 | ajavid | hand to hand? |
| 04:21.53 | ajavid | mano y mano? |
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| 04:31.11 | here4thegear | is there a command I can run to see which services are installed? not necessarily which ones are running |
| 04:31.27 | merlincorey | here4thegear: dpkg -l |
| 04:31.36 | merlincorey | here4thegear: it lists your installed packages |
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| 04:32.21 | enouf | here4thegear: /mdg dpkg rcconf |
| 04:32.27 | enouf | er /msg |
| 04:32.34 | merlincorey | !tell here4thegear about rcconf |
| 04:33.12 | here4thegear | thanks merlincorey |
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| 04:36.45 | Bryanstein | merlincorey, you can take a look in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 04:37.18 | Bryanstein | all services put their start up scripts in this directory |
| 04:37.30 | merlincorey | Bryanstein: uh? |
| 04:37.45 | Bryanstein | merlincorey, soory |
| 04:37.46 | merlincorey | Bryanstein: I didn't ask and that's what the point of telling him about rcconf was for |
| 04:37.53 | Bryanstein | I meant here4thegear |
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| 04:37.56 | merlincorey | it just manages the scripts in /etc/init.d |
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| 04:38.16 | here4thegear | Bryanstein: ok, thanks |
| 04:38.25 | Bryanstein | sysv-rc-rconf is sexier |
| 04:38.34 | Bryanstein | sysv-rc-conf |
| 04:38.46 | here4thegear | I'm pretty new to all of this, especially debian, I kind of just got used to centos before switching over to debian.. |
| 04:38.55 | Bryanstein | centos pfffff |
| 04:39.04 | Mousey | agrees |
| 04:39.19 | here4thegear | well, I did switch over to debian.. lol |
| 04:39.30 | here4thegear | :D |
| 04:39.37 | Bryanstein | here4thegear, that is the main difference |
| 04:39.50 | Mousey | you've switched from a bad distro to a hard distro. sticktoitiveness will now be the deciding factor ^_^ |
| 04:39.52 | Bryanstein | chkconfig...non existant |
| 04:40.00 | Mousey | update-rc.d |
| 04:40.03 | here4thegear | but yum and apt-get are pretty different... |
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| 04:40.12 | merlincorey | yes they are |
| 04:40.13 | Mousey | yum is poop, apt-get is win |
| 04:40.15 | Bryanstein | LOL "pretty" |
| 04:40.16 | merlincorey | yum is unusable |
| 04:40.20 | merlincorey | dpkg has merits |
| 04:40.20 | dpkg | merlincorey: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 04:40.24 | merlincorey | apt is a good frontend |
| 04:40.29 | Mousey | debs are harder to package than rpms |
| 04:40.30 | Bryanstein | yum is ridiculous |
| 04:40.36 | Mousey | that's about all the good i can say for rpms |
| 04:40.46 | Mousey | yay flamewars! |
| 04:40.51 | Mousey | discourages this kinda talk |
| 04:40.53 | merlincorey | Mousey: it's actually pretty easy to make a .deb |
| 04:40.53 | Mousey | but its so fun! |
| 04:40.56 | merlincorey | Mousey: like rediculous |
| 04:41.00 | Mousey | merlincorey: fine fine, i'm just dumb |
| 04:41.07 | simonrvn | Mousey: better quality output, however |
| 04:41.10 | merlincorey | Mousey: I didn't say that, you did! |
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| 04:41.20 | Mousey | merlincorey: and you enjoy that fact! |
| 04:41.26 | Mousey | you schadenfruedist! |
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| 04:41.30 | merlincorey | Mousey: only because I'm a sadist! |
| 04:41.34 | Mousey | simonrvn: i agree |
| 04:41.42 | Mousey | merlincorey: american |
| 04:41.53 | simonrvn | and it's rather easy to make .debs. the harder part is making thme good |
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| 04:42.18 | merlincorey | with simonrvn I do agree |
| 04:42.29 | Bryanstein | I 2 |
| 04:42.32 | merlincorey | which is why you should definitely be on the BTS and email of the maintainer of some package that is low quality |
| 04:42.38 | merlincorey | you must help them help us all |
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| 04:45.05 | here4thegear | I'm about to redo the whole thing, I have the server up and running with php5 installed. but, I'm not quite sure how I even got it all done. I looked through my history and though http://pastebin.com/m4d2a1e9a not actually in that order... were any of those unneeded? |
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| 04:46.13 | Bryanstein | here4thegear, what are you trying to accomplish? LAMP? |
| 04:46.18 | here4thegear | yeah |
| 04:46.59 | merlincorey | you don't really need to redo it unless you are unhappy with the partitioning of the drives |
| 04:47.05 | here4thegear | and subversion because the one other developer I am working with will only work with subversion (and I know it pretty well) |
| 04:47.13 | Bryanstein | redo is a strong word |
| 04:47.24 | Bryanstein | you mean reinstall the packages? |
| 04:47.48 | merlincorey | oh on rereading his statement, I think he means he wants to familiarize himself with the process more as some of it he doesn't know what he done did |
| 04:47.56 | merlincorey | (just for you Mousey) |
| 04:48.10 | here4thegear | well, it's on a vps, (for the learning process and the lack of spare computers), and I totally messed up my mysql install by arbitrarily removing pieces of it for no real good reason |
| 04:48.21 | Bryanstein | hahaha |
| 04:48.27 | ajavid | 1seriously |
| 04:48.30 | Bryanstein | removing pieces? |
| 04:48.32 | ajavid | stop |
| 04:48.40 | merlincorey | lol |
| 04:48.45 | Mousey | ^^ |
| 04:48.47 | ajavid | think about the problem. |
| 04:48.52 | ajavid | logically |
| 04:48.54 | ajavid | don't be blind. |
| 04:49.06 | merlincorey | yes ajavid that helps him |
| 04:49.10 | here4thegear | merlincorey: yes, exactly it's all about the learning how to get the it all set up... and everything |
| 04:49.15 | merlincorey | I might as well pass him my bong and tell him to open his third and fourth eyes |
| 04:49.29 | ajavid | sarcasm is useless |
| 04:49.32 | Mousey | your bong adds eyeballs? |
| 04:49.34 | ajavid | try to be productive |
| 04:49.34 | Bryanstein | laughs |
| 04:49.40 | here4thegear | ajavid, well here's the logic... I was screwing around and when I set up my root password for mysql, I wasn't paying attention to what I was typing... |
| 04:49.44 | merlincorey | I am being productive! |
| 04:49.46 | merlincorey | and yes, Mousey |
| 04:49.47 | ajavid | had you given me the chance to continue... |
| 04:50.03 | Mousey | wow, i need a few of those to look at my code.. the more eyeballs, the less bugs!! ^_^ |
| 04:50.04 | ajavid | here4thegear, and what stops you from resetting the password? |
| 04:50.19 | merlincorey | oh me me me |
| 04:50.22 | here4thegear | had no clue you could just do that |
| 04:50.23 | merlincorey | let me redeem myself ajavid |
| 04:50.23 | here4thegear | lol |
| 04:50.25 | merlincorey | raises his hand |
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| 04:50.34 | ajavid | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/resetting-permissions.html |
| 04:50.37 | merlincorey | yes, here4thegear you infer correctly! It is quite simple to do from local machine |
| 04:51.00 | Mousey | lols |
| 04:51.10 | Mousey | goes back to lurking, where he's most productive |
| 04:51.24 | here4thegear | so, I started doing apt-get remove msyql-server mysql-client and so on.. .. lol.. well, I needed to learn how to remove services anyway... |
| 04:51.29 | merlincorey | indeed, I have some eyeballs to grow |
| 04:51.33 | merlincorey | cheerio, good chaps! |
| 04:51.39 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 04:51.41 | ajavid | ahhh boy. |
| 04:51.48 | Bryanstein | I like here4thegear |
| 04:51.55 | Bryanstein | pragmatist |
| 04:52.30 | ajavid | so whats the problem? |
| 04:52.34 | ajavid | here4thegear, ? |
| 04:53.07 | here4thegear | lol thanks, Bryanstein well, for sure, I don't just want to memorize commands I want to know how it all works.. |
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| 04:53.58 | here4thegear | ajavid: http://pastebin.com/m4d2a1e9a just wondered if any of those items were 'redundant' meaning, when I do this again, should I be leaving any of those out |
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| 04:55.38 | ajavid | its fine |
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| 04:55.52 | ajavid | I can't remember all the pacakge dependencies |
| 04:56.17 | ajavid | I woudln't worrya bout it, its fine, nothing redundant afaict |
| 04:56.28 | merlincorey | here4thegear: you can do them in the same line, too |
| 04:56.30 | here4thegear | yeah, me neither... I'm sure I should probably put php5-cli as one of the last things... |
| 04:56.32 | Bryanstein | ajavid, yes but you can do it all on one line |
| 04:56.34 | ajavid | php5-cli however isn't compiled with readline support, if you wanted that you'd have to rebuild php |
| 04:56.39 | Bryanstein | yes...what merlincorey said |
| 04:56.39 | ajavid | Bryanstein, yes |
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| 04:57.09 | merlincorey | dpkg-reconfigure can be used at the end if you want to reconfigure something after something else is installed |
| 04:57.20 | ajavid | aptitude install php5 subversion mysql-server |
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| 04:57.24 | ajavid | that should take care of it all |
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| 04:57.37 | here4thegear | apt-get install php5-cli libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server mysql-client subversion |
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| 04:57.39 | ajavid | if you do apt-cache show php5 you will see that it depends on stuf fyou're already getting |
| 04:57.55 | ajavid | !depends php5 |
| 04:58.24 | ajavid | here4thegear, try not to use apt-get anymore. Use aptitude intead |
| 04:58.28 | smack | doh! my rhythmbox just started randomly again. It's not key bindings. Hmm.. |
| 04:58.32 | dpkg | php5: depends on libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3) | libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3) | php5-cgi (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3), php5-common (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3) |
| 04:58.33 | ajavid | !tell here4thegear -about why aptitude |
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| 04:59.51 | here4thegear | ajavid: sweet about aptitude thanks! |
| 05:00.07 | here4thegear | always likes to know the 'why' about everything too |
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| 05:00.28 | ajavid | it is the knowledge of the 'why' that gives power over those without 'why' |
| 05:00.28 | smack | ignorance is strength! |
| 05:00.33 | ajavid | </matrix> |
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| 05:00.41 | here4thegear | hehe, |
| 05:00.45 | ajavid | smacks smack around a bit with smack |
| 05:00.45 | merlincorey | here4thegear: however, keep in mind that you can remove unneeded packages with apt-get too |
| 05:00.54 | ajavid | no |
| 05:00.58 | here4thegear | so, basically, I can use thte same one liner but replace apt-get with aptitude |
| 05:00.59 | ajavid | do not mix apt-get and aptitude |
| 05:01.07 | ajavid | oop |
| 05:01.08 | ajavid | s |
| 05:01.17 | merlincorey | !tell ajavid about repeat |
| 05:01.23 | Prathibha | How to change the bootsplash image in debian5 |
| 05:01.27 | merlincorey | :P |
| 05:01.34 | ajavid | Prathibha, bootsplash. |
| 05:01.48 | merlincorey | !tell Prathibha about bootsplash |
| 05:01.56 | ajavid | seriously |
| 05:02.04 | here4thegear | aptitude install php5-cli php5-mysql subversion blah |
| 05:02.11 | ajavid | here4thegear, yes |
| 05:02.15 | merlincorey | blah I am pretty sure is not a package? |
| 05:02.34 | Bryanstein | I've got version 5.3 |
| 05:02.38 | Bryanstein | of blah |
| 05:02.41 | merlincorey | oh shi- |
| 05:02.44 | merlincorey | it's in that other repo |
| 05:02.48 | merlincorey | let me add it to my keyring first |
| 05:02.50 | here4thegear | lol no, blah means I wrote it... lol |
| 05:02.51 | Bryanstein | LOL |
| 05:02.52 | scorche | looks at merlincorey |
| 05:02.56 | merlincorey | sup scr |
| 05:02.59 | merlincorey | errr scr |
| 05:03.02 | scorche | ... |
| 05:03.09 | merlincorey | errrrr sorry scr your nick is very inconvient to my client |
| 05:03.17 | merlincorey | scorche: how's it going, mate? when you coming down next? |
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| 05:03.41 | here4thegear | actually, I wrote a blah script for work. cuz I knew no one else would call anything that... |
| 05:03.54 | merlincorey | here4thegear: you haven't met C-P |
| 05:04.20 | here4thegear | well, as long as C-P doesn't work with me, we'll be ok.. lol |
| 05:04.28 | merlincorey | yeah you got a good chance of that |
| 05:04.40 | scorche | haha... |
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| 05:06.02 | here4thegear | I guess I could actually just put that aptitude install deal in a bash script |
| 05:06.16 | merlincorey | here4thegear: yeah totally, it makes it great for installing lamp servers |
| 05:06.49 | here4thegear | cool... |
| 05:06.55 | merlincorey | I have a few bash scripts lying around for installing and configuring certain sets of debian packages |
| 05:06.58 | here4thegear | that way I don't have to remember it tomorrow |
| 05:07.00 | merlincorey | they come in handy |
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| 05:09.02 | chicao | Hi I have a touchpad mouse on my lapto, the mouse is working, but too slow. How can I speedup it ? |
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| 05:09.51 | merlincorey | chicao: is it synaptics? |
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| 05:11.00 | chicao | merlincorey, I dont know, how I check ? |
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| 05:11.28 | Pulpie | I open system log and it lags a lot, what can i do to fix this |
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| 05:12.25 | merlincorey | chicao: I think lspci should show you; but it is not terribly important it just determines the driver you will use |
| 05:12.48 | merlincorey | as far as I know what you have to do is edit xorg config and change the touchpad settings |
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| 05:13.41 | doleyb | He might instead like to try running the gsynaptics program, but that would need the driver going first. |
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| 05:15.27 | luckylucy | anyone in here familiar setting up apache in debian, it is a little different, i am having trouble with a module, it's telling me DAV command not allowed here. it works on WAMP Server, maybe im missing something simple? |
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| 05:15.58 | chicao | merlincorey, lspci don't shows nothing about if it is synaptic or not, but in xorg I found this Identifier"Synaptics Touchpad" Driver"synaptics ... |
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| 05:16.13 | chicao | merlincorey, what settings I change In xorg.conf ? |
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| 05:22.40 | mythomaniac | i how do i change system clock from 24 hour to 12 hour mode? |
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| 05:25.35 | simonrvn | luckylucy: context. some settings are only allowed in some contexts. look at the apache docs. |
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| 05:27.48 | debian_noob | Hi |
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| 05:28.26 | debian_noob | i have a problem with my CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive |
| 05:28.37 | debian_noob | it doesnt read DVDs |
| 05:28.43 | simonrvn | mythomaniac: why? :) |
| 05:28.51 | debian_noob | it can write CDs |
| 05:29.22 | simonrvn | maybe the laser's dying? |
| 05:29.26 | debian_noob | ive tried many DVDs |
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| 05:29.40 | debian_noob | no, it works in windows |
| 05:29.57 | debian_noob | is there any additional software i need? |
| 05:30.31 | mythomaniac | simonrvn, because i hate seeing 24 hour display, its date --set %r i believe |
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| 05:30.45 | simonrvn | no, unless you're trying to read encrypted dvds |
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| 05:30.59 | debian_noob | no ive tried them in windows also |
| 05:31.05 | debian_noob | they work in windows |
| 05:31.16 | simonrvn | yes, but windows is a different os... |
| 05:31.37 | simonrvn | !dvdcss |
| 05:31.42 | simonrvn | !libdvdcss |
| 05:31.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling CSS-encrypted DVDs which is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To get it, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or ask me about <debian-multimedia.org> or <debian-unofficial> |
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| 05:32.58 | luckylucy | simonrvn: i think my trouble is the order of loaded modules, i am searching the docs to find out where to see/change the order, unless you or someone else knows? |
| 05:33.44 | simonrvn | i don't think so |
| 05:34.14 | debian_noob | simonrvn:its not encrypted |
| 05:34.44 | simonrvn | what makes you think it isn't? |
| 05:34.54 | debian_noob | its a plainly written dvd |
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| 05:35.14 | simonrvn | besides, that ^^^ is just a proposed solution, without more info, we can't help. |
| 05:35.15 | debian_noob | then you tell me how to find out if it is |
| 05:35.19 | simonrvn | ok |
| 05:35.19 | Thunder | what up ? |
| 05:35.33 | Thunder | lenin ppl or just lenny :))) |
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| 05:35.44 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 05:35.53 | debian_noob | simonrvn:what info do you want? |
| 05:36.19 | simonrvn | debian_noob: anything unusual in dmesg about it? is it being seen as a dvd rom + cd/rw ? |
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| 05:37.45 | debian_noob | the label in "Computer" is CD-RW/DVD-ROM |
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| 05:39.07 | simonrvn | ok, so it would seem it's ok. |
| 05:39.20 | debian_noob | even in dmesg |
| 05:39.35 | mahesh_ | how to enable desktop effects in debian, iam using kde3.5 |
| 05:39.54 | debian_noob | mahesh:aptitude search compiz |
| 05:40.05 | simonrvn | health issues afk |
| 05:40.10 | mahesh_ | i have installed compiz |
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| 05:40.27 | debian_noob | have you installed compiz-kde? |
| 05:40.35 | mahesh_ | no |
| 05:40.43 | debian_noob | then do it |
| 05:40.55 | mahesh_ | i will install it now... anything else to be installed? |
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| 05:41.03 | debian_noob | mahesh:goto #compiz-fusion |
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| 05:41.30 | mahesh_ | ok |
| 05:41.44 | mahesh_ | debian_noob ok |
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| 05:44.05 | simonrvn | debian_noob: i can't help anymore, i'm having some problems here. good luck figuring it out. |
| 05:44.11 | debian_noob | ok |
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| 05:52.55 | SandGorgon | sorry for posting here guys, but i'm at a loss on what to do - on using VirtualBox 2.1.4 (a particular VM) - my host crashes and goes straight to power on (BIOS screen). How do I gather debug information, so I can file an appropriate bug - I can understand Vbox itself crashing - but taking down the host? |
| 05:53.40 | pl4yer0ne | SandGorgon, is the host debian? |
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| 06:00.19 | debian_noob | I cant seem to open any DVD |
| 06:00.30 | debian_noob | i have installed the packages i needed |
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| 06:01.12 | pl4yer0ne | debian_noob, tried a data dvd ? |
| 06:01.18 | debian_noob | yes |
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| 06:01.28 | debian_noob | doesnt work either |
| 06:02.03 | debian_noob | i did this: echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install |
| 06:02.18 | debian_noob | and kash:/home/kash# aptitude install dvd+rw-tools dvdauthor dvdbackup dvdisaster dvdrtools dvdtape libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 libdvdread4 lsdvd radvd vdr-plugin-dvd |
| 06:02.40 | pl4yer0ne | try installing vlc |
| 06:02.57 | debian_noob | i already have that |
| 06:03.08 | pl4yer0ne | thats what i use to watch dvds in both windows and linux, it will pull any depends it needs and should "just work" |
| 06:03.10 | pl4yer0ne | oh |
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| 06:03.30 | debian_noob | i have a cd-rw/dvd-rom drive |
| 06:03.33 | pl4yer0ne | what flavour of deb you using? |
| 06:03.41 | debian_noob | and it works in windows |
| 06:03.44 | debian_noob | im using lenny |
| 06:04.15 | pl4yer0ne | wierd, i have had things likethis before be permissions |
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| 06:04.32 | SandGorgon | pl4yer0ne: yup... since the machine simply goes to power-on, i cant see anything in dmesg, syslog, etc. |
| 06:04.40 | pl4yer0ne | and in the current ubuntu i know there is strange authorisation stuff you need to do sometimes - but that shouldnt be in lenny |
| 06:04.48 | debian_noob | it can write and read cds |
| 06:05.04 | pl4yer0ne | ah yeah good call so it shouldnt be that. |
| 06:05.16 | pl4yer0ne | has it got a dvd device/link? |
| 06:05.37 | debian_noob | means? |
| 06:05.49 | pl4yer0ne | in /dev/ is there dvd |
| 06:06.04 | pl4yer0ne | for example my /dev/dvd is a link to /dev/hda |
| 06:06.17 | debian_noob | there is /dev/dvd |
| 06:06.32 | pl4yer0ne | can you mount the dvd manually? |
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| 06:07.12 | debian_noob | the link points to scd0 |
| 06:07.26 | debian_noob | how? mount /dev/scd0 /mnt? |
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| 06:08.45 | debian_noob | pl4yer0ne:mount /dev/scd0 /mnt? |
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| 06:09.04 | pl4yer0ne | if its scd0 then sure |
| 06:09.14 | pl4yer0ne | but i would make a temp dir inside of mnt |
| 06:09.17 | pl4yer0ne | /mnt/temp |
| 06:09.24 | debian_noob | k |
| 06:09.25 | pl4yer0ne | and mount it there |
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| 06:10.09 | debian_noob | its asking for a filesystem type |
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| 06:10.17 | debian_noob | CDFS? |
| 06:10.24 | christoz | good morning, when i have updates available, and click on the try icon to see the list with the updates and their description of what changes will be done, there is no response. In order to install the updates i have to right-click the icon, and then install updates, is there anyone who is using debian squeeze , with the same problem? |
| 06:10.29 | pl4yer0ne | nah its probably UDF |
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| 06:10.49 | debian_noob | then what will the command look like? |
| 06:11.02 | debian_noob | mount /dev/scd0 /mnt/temp udf? |
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| 06:11.17 | pl4yer0ne | mount -t udf /dev/dvd /mnt/temp |
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| 06:11.37 | debian_noob | no medium found |
| 06:12.00 | pl4yer0ne | is there a disk in the drive? |
| 06:12.09 | debian_noob | yes |
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| 06:12.29 | pl4yer0ne | check the output of dmesg and look at the last few lines |
| 06:12.39 | pl4yer0ne | any errors ? |
| 06:13.34 | debian_noob | no |
| 06:13.56 | merlincorey | christoz: are you using gnome? |
| 06:14.03 | pl4yer0ne | hmm lame no wonder the other dude couldnt figure it out either =) |
| 06:14.23 | christoz | merlincorey, yes |
| 06:14.31 | debian_noob | i dont understand it |
| 06:14.32 | pl4yer0ne | I take it its a sata drive? |
| 06:14.43 | debian_noob | how do i know? |
| 06:14.56 | christoz | merlincorey, it's clean install, not upgraded from lenny though |
| 06:15.34 | debian_noob | pl4yer0ne:how do i find out? |
| 06:15.40 | merlincorey | christoz: not exactly sure what that tool does; if no one responds here you might try looking for a gnome channel |
| 06:16.17 | christoz | hmm, yes, sounds like gnome problem, apt is perfoming well despite my problem |
| 06:16.38 | merlincorey | you should find out if it uses apt or aptitude backend |
| 06:16.51 | pl4yer0ne | ah look at the connectorif you have access to it |
| 06:17.11 | debian_noob | no software means? |
| 06:17.15 | christoz | merlincorey, how can i found out this? |
| 06:17.34 | christoz | oh yes, the top command |
| 06:17.41 | merlincorey | not terribly sure, myself, top may or may not help |
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| 06:17.50 | merlincorey | it might not call it until it goes to do something |
| 06:18.26 | debian_noob | pl4yer0ne:is there any command to find out? |
| 06:18.59 | pl4yer0ne | debian_noob, try dmesg|grep scd |
| 06:19.02 | pl4yer0ne | see what that says |
| 06:19.11 | pl4yer0ne | or pastebin your whole dmesg |
| 06:20.30 | debian_noob | pl4yer0ne:no output for dmesg | grep scd |
| 06:20.44 | debian_noob | but there is one for dmesg | grep sr |
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| 06:21.04 | pl4yer0ne | hmm ok |
| 06:21.17 | debian_noob | [ 2.304369] Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods |
| 06:21.17 | debian_noob | [ 2.311847] sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray |
| 06:21.17 | debian_noob | [ 2.311963] sr 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 |
| 06:21.17 | debian_noob | [ 2.327351] sr 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 5 |
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| 06:21.53 | debian_noob | sotty |
| 06:21.58 | debian_noob | *sorry |
| 06:22.01 | simonrvn | PASTEBIN :) |
| 06:22.43 | debian_noob | pl4yer0ne:i think that means i have a scsi cd-rw/dvd-rom drive |
| 06:23.11 | Adrian` | or usb |
| 06:23.34 | debian_noob | adrian:no |
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| 06:23.52 | pl4yer0ne | scsi is such a PITA |
| 06:24.02 | pl4yer0ne | brb real world calls |
| 06:24.05 | debian_noob | PITA?? |
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| 06:24.11 | simonrvn | !pita |
| 06:24.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 06:24.20 | debian_noob | oh |
| 06:24.37 | simonrvn | it's not, just gotta know how to speak it ;p |
| 06:25.40 | pl4yer0ne | pain in the ARSE stupid american bot |
| 06:25.57 | pl4yer0ne | tags simonrvn |
| 06:26.06 | pl4yer0ne | you like scsi go nuts =) |
| 06:26.39 | simonrvn | it's not seeing it as a dvd reader, notice the output |
| 06:26.41 | doleyb | debian_noob: do you really have scsi? real scsi things are rare... |
| 06:26.50 | simonrvn | it's sata |
| 06:27.12 | debian_noob | doleyb:how do i know? |
| 06:27.26 | doleyb | Read the label on the drive? |
| 06:27.28 | simonrvn | i can't spend much time on this, i have health issues right now |
| 06:27.42 | debian_noob | dmesg | grep sr shows something about scsi |
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| 06:28.01 | debian_noob | [ 2.311963] sr 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 |
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| 06:29.29 | simonrvn | pastebin cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
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| 06:30.45 | debian_noob | simonrvn:http://pastebin.com/m33164cd4 |
| 06:32.11 | debian_noob | simonrvn:what is it? |
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| 06:33.39 | dacs | howdy folks , again :) |
| 06:34.36 | oh_noes | Anyone have apt-mirror running nightly, *and* downloading new files and purging old files? Looking at my cron.d entry it created, and the log file, it's only downloading the new headers. it doesnt cleanup, nor download any new contact |
| 06:34.38 | oh_noes | content* |
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| 06:36.13 | simonrvn | oh crap, he got disconned |
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| 06:37.24 | pl4yer0ne | simonrvn, with that cdrom info is it a driver issue? |
| 06:37.39 | simonrvn | haven't seen it, but possibly |
| 06:38.15 | dacs | pl4yer0ne: would you know after i nstallcompiz how to run it! |
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| 06:38.31 | simonrvn | i would say so. the box detects it as dvd capable, but then the driver sets it as a cd/rw only. how odd. |
| 06:39.10 | debian_noob | simonrvn:is it scsi? |
| 06:39.11 | pl4yer0ne | dacs, you run soemthing like compiz --replace but I dont recall exactly and I dont use compiz |
| 06:39.31 | simonrvn | sure it shows what we already know, but given the lower-level data from the kernel, we can surmise this is the case. |
| 06:39.44 | dacs | pl4yer0ne: i know i was just F 'en with you :P |
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| 06:39.59 | debian_noob | dacs:what is the problem? |
| 06:40.02 | dacs | pl4yer0ne: you said so earlier that you hated it! |
| 06:40.05 | simonrvn | nothing to do with scsi, maybe you need to use another driver, i'm thinking. is this thing new(ish)? |
| 06:40.18 | pl4yer0ne | dacs, yeah but im still a helpful person =) |
| 06:40.27 | simonrvn | dacs: compiz --replace like pl4yer0ne said |
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| 06:40.39 | debian_noob | simonrvn:no its atleast a year and half old |
| 06:40.59 | simonrvn | i use "fusion-icon" to manage that stuff |
| 06:41.06 | debian_noob | dacs:you want to enable compiz? |
| 06:41.20 | neonoe_ | :) |
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| 06:41.23 | simonrvn | you'll need the composite extension enabled in X too |
| 06:41.24 | pl4yer0ne | dacs, haha see what you started =D |
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| 06:42.12 | simonrvn | debian_noob: try unloading the sr module (check for the exact name, might be sr_mod) |
| 06:42.23 | debian_noob | how do i unload it? |
| 06:42.29 | simonrvn | modprobe -r |
| 06:43.00 | debian_noob | simonrvn:dmesg also mentioned something about updating the module |
| 06:43.42 | simonrvn | yeh, but i'm seeing that too. means the dev(s) needs to catch up a bit ;). |
| 06:44.17 | dacs | pl4yer0ne: simonrvn http://paste.debian.net/30858/ |
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| 06:45.22 | pl4yer0ne | dacs, do it from inside X with an & at the end |
| 06:45.40 | simonrvn | dacs: your card doesn't support that glx extension, you won't be able to run it |
| 06:45.59 | dacs | simonrvn: :( any alternate |
| 06:46.01 | debian_noob | simonrvn:i ran modprobe -r sr_mod |
| 06:46.02 | simonrvn | dacs: never mind wht i said. don't do that as root, #1 |
| 06:46.18 | dacs | simonrvn: errr i always fall for this |
| 06:46.19 | debian_noob | dacs:goto #compiz. thats better |
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| 06:46.45 | simonrvn | stop running shit as root, for starters |
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| 06:47.20 | pl4yer0ne | (thats what I meant, do it as your user from inside X) |
| 06:47.38 | debian_noob | simonrvn:now what? |
| 06:48.42 | simonrvn | WTF, i misread that |
| 06:48.59 | debian_noob | misread what? |
| 06:49.04 | simonrvn | goes to show i shouldn't do this ill... |
| 06:49.18 | simonrvn | Can read DVD: 1 |
| 06:49.31 | debian_noob | i also saw |
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| 06:49.35 | debian_noob | but it doesnt |
| 06:49.39 | simonrvn | well, try mounting one now |
| 06:49.48 | simonrvn | and tail your syslog |
| 06:50.06 | simonrvn | ..or read from one, rather |
| 06:50.16 | sLaeYa | hi I am having problems with bind9 failing when I attempt to start it, is there anyone who could provide assistance ? |
| 06:50.36 | pl4yer0ne | sLaeYa, do you have an error? |
| 06:50.42 | sLaeYa | I have just installed a fresh copy of ubuntu 8.10 - which worked seemlessly and then ISPconfig - I am now having a problem with bind9 failing on boot and am unsure how to fix this problem, here is a snippet of my syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/132863/ |
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| 06:50.51 | debian_noob | mount -t udf /dev/sr0 /mnt/temp? |
| 06:50.53 | simonrvn | sLaeYa: #ubuntu |
| 06:51.11 | sLaeYa | they are all talking about graphics and there is noone active in the server room |
| 06:51.12 | simonrvn | debian_noob: don't matter, just try anything |
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| 06:51.47 | simonrvn | sLaeYa: that's their issue, they should be helping you |
| 06:52.06 | sLaeYa | ok, thankyou simon |
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| 06:52.30 | debian_noob | simonrvn:i just unloaded the module few minute ago |
| 06:52.36 | debian_noob | how do i reload it? |
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| 06:53.00 | simonrvn | debian_noob: why? did you try mounting the dvd yet? |
| 06:53.06 | winedrinker | Does Wine run its apps like Chroot? How much damage can a BAD windows application do under Wine? |
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| 06:53.44 | debian_noob | simonrvn:because you told me to.How to reload it? |
| 06:53.46 | sky_ | hi what is codename for unstable ? |
| 06:53.53 | debian_noob | sid |
| 06:53.59 | pl4yer0ne | its called "unstable" |
| 06:54.00 | simonrvn | debian_noob: no, why do you want to reload it? |
| 06:54.01 | sky_ | sid is mmm testing ? |
| 06:54.06 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:54.17 | debian_noob | testing is squeeze |
| 06:54.18 | sky_ | i thought that lenny was testing and now is stable..... |
| 06:54.30 | debian_noob | lenny became stable long ago |
| 06:54.35 | pl4yer0ne | sky_, sid is ALWAYS unstable and will never change |
| 06:54.40 | sky_ | ahaaa |
| 06:54.41 | lymeca | Umm, not long actually. |
| 06:54.42 | simonrvn | sky_: you're contradicting yourself... |
| 06:54.49 | sky_ | thank you |
| 06:54.58 | lymeca | A small fraction of the amount of time where it was testing and has a feature freeze. |
| 06:55.06 | debian_noob | simonrvn:now there is no scd0 or sr0 in /dev |
| 06:55.34 | simonrvn | debian_noob: hm ok. |
| 06:55.55 | simonrvn | gimmie a min |
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| 06:56.07 | debian_noob | modprobe sr_mod? |
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| 06:56.16 | simonrvn | y |
| 06:56.43 | sky_ | can i use graphic drivers nonfree from ubuntu in my debian ? |
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| 06:56.58 | John_S | how do I determine which event an input device is using |
| 06:57.18 | simonrvn | sky_: i wouldn't recommend it |
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| 06:57.58 | sky_ | i tried it when sid was testing ...and they works |
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| 06:58.01 | simonrvn | John_S: look in /sys |
| 06:58.02 | sky_ | *lenny |
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| 06:59.12 | John_S | thanks simonrvn |
| 06:59.25 | dacs | pl4yer0ne: how do i know which video card i have |
| 06:59.29 | sky_ | haha 48% companies want use linux -_- |
| 06:59.47 | dacs | lspci |
| 06:59.53 | pl4yer0ne | yeah |
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| 07:02.22 | smack | I just got some clues for my rhtymbox randomly starting. I found the utility dbus-monitor, when my rhythmbox starts it spit out this stuff. http://seth.dnsdojo.net/misc/dbus_output.txt |
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| 07:03.11 | dacs | pl4yer0ne: i think i will use metacity |
| 07:03.12 | debian_noob | simonrvn:what do i do now? |
| 07:03.22 | dacs | pl4yer0ne: or which one you are using? |
| 07:03.31 | pl4yer0ne | nvidia all the way |
| 07:03.56 | pl4yer0ne | oh right yeah i use metacity/gnome |
| 07:04.19 | simonrvn | debian_noob: i would try to see if the driver being used for your devices is the proper one, and not something like sata_generic or something like that, and load that one as well as sr_mod |
| 07:04.37 | simonrvn | i'm about to go lie down as i'm not feeling well |
| 07:04.45 | debian_noob | so ill load sata_generic? |
| 07:05.02 | pl4yer0ne | and im off home so you nubs will have to hold hands and read some man pages =D |
| 07:05.16 | pl4yer0ne | get well soon simonrvn ! |
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| 07:05.55 | simonrvn | pl4yer0ne: thanks... debian_noob, re-read what i said |
| 07:06.19 | pl4yer0ne | later all. |
| 07:06.26 | dacs | pl4yer0ne: you are running lenny no! |
| 07:06.35 | dacs | plee: later mate |
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| 07:14.59 | luckylucy | if i run rm -r from within a directory, it would delete all of the contents, including folders, but leave the directory correct? i just want to check before. |
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| 07:15.48 | iamjay | anyone here able to tell me how to install .deb\s locally to home only? |
| 07:16.17 | luckylucy | i have to leave the directory, but don't want to delete each file / sub directory one at a time (there are probably 100) |
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| 07:17.04 | doleyb | luckylucy: yes that's how rm -r works |
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| 07:17.24 | luckylucy | doleyb: thanks. just didn't want to make a mess. |
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| 07:17.43 | doleyb | luckylucy: technically you couldn't make a mess, because everything would vanish. It would be clean then. |
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| 07:18.08 | luckylucy | :) |
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| 07:26.04 | luckylucy | doleyb: it deleted the directory! |
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| 07:27.03 | doleyb | What did you type? :( |
| 07:27.45 | doleyb | mkdir direct;cd direct;touch a b c; mkdir subdir; pwd; ls; rm -r *; pwd; ls |
| 07:27.47 | luckylucy | rm -r mydirectory |
| 07:28.08 | luckylucy | whoa, too much :( |
| 07:28.15 | doleyb | You said above that you would run it "within" your directory. |
| 07:28.40 | doleyb | [03:15] <luckylucy> if i run rm -r from within a directory, it would delete all of the contents, including folders, but leave the directory |
| 07:28.55 | luckylucy | yeah, i tried that, did rm -r, it said that i needed an operand, like a file or directory |
| 07:29.12 | doleyb | Ok, well what you should have done then is run "rm -r *" |
| 07:29.28 | doleyb | The * means all files and directories in your current position. |
| 07:29.44 | luckylucy | ok, well, lesson learned :( |
| 07:29.53 | doleyb | However! I don't think it will be hard to fix, since you know the name the directory had, just type "mkdir mydirectory" and you'll have one just like it. |
| 07:30.06 | dondelelcaro | by default, * expands to everything that doesn't start with a period |
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| 07:30.56 | dondelelcaro | luckylucy: man bash; and read about Pathname Expansion to learn what * does. |
| 07:31.13 | dondelelcaro | (assumin your shell is bash; if it's not, do whatever is appropriate for your shell) |
| 07:31.53 | luckylucy | it's amazing how you guys have all of the commands / manual pages memorized, how long have you been working with linux? |
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| 07:33.48 | doleyb | Well dondelecaro has been in this channel 57 months straight... so at least that long. |
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| 07:35.57 | Thunder | is away (auto-away after 2hrs of inactivity) - (08:36 am) |
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| 07:41.33 | dondelelcaro | luckylucy: linux, somewhere near 12 years. Unix-like operating systems, somewhere near 18. |
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| 07:42.19 | dondelelcaro | luckylucy: but most of that stuff you can pick up in a few weeks of study |
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| 07:43.02 | liable | if your not average like the rest of us :) |
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| 07:43.37 | dondelelcaro | well, you can at least learn enough to figure out where to look and ask for the stuff that you don't know or forget |
| 07:43.50 | liable | took me a couple of *years* to be anywhere near close to understanding a lot of it |
| 07:43.55 | dondelelcaro | in the end, that's all that really matters anyway |
| 07:44.23 | MJS | hi |
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| 07:54.54 | dacs | i don't have sound in my laptop, how can i fix that please |
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| 07:55.29 | streuner__ | !laptops |
| 07:55.29 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <netbook>, <laptop mode> <suspend troubleshooting>. |
| 07:56.58 | streuner__ | dacs: and show us the output of "lspci -v | grep -i audio" in paste.debian.net |
| 07:57.17 | rossMoHaX | !acpi |
| 07:57.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also <swsusp>, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see ... |
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| 07:57.28 | rossMoHaX | !help |
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| 07:57.50 | rossMoHaX | !dpkg |
| 07:57.50 | dpkg | dpkg is probably the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 07:57.58 | rossMoHaX | !dpkgbot |
| 07:57.58 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 07:58.07 | simonrvn | rossMoHaX: use /msg |
| 07:58.10 | jaggz | . ~/.bashrc is not loading aliases... it works on an older linux system but not on this debian system |
| 07:58.22 | dacs | people please use /msg dpkg |
| 07:58.32 | jaggz | that is, I add some custom aliases to .bashrc which I want to load up into the current shell |
| 07:58.50 | simonrvn | jaggz: did you reload it? no errors |
| 07:58.53 | simonrvn | ? |
| 07:59.02 | jaggz | no errors.. works fine if I log out and back in |
| 07:59.33 | jaggz | the aliases will be there.. but I can't get them in the current shell using the . |
| 07:59.49 | simonrvn | O_o |
| 07:59.57 | simonrvn | weird |
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| 08:01.29 | jaggz | if I run a new subshell with "bash" the aliases will be there as well |
| 08:01.46 | jaggz | but . and source don't take it |
| 08:02.10 | simonrvn | try full path |
| 08:02.23 | jaggz | ah, I have a ". /etc/bash_completion" in .bashrc |
| 08:02.26 | jaggz | if I comment it out it works |
| 08:02.28 | simonrvn | (no it shouldn't matter, but try) |
| 08:02.47 | simonrvn | they shouldn't override? |
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| 08:03.55 | jaggz | . /tmp/test.sh works .. so it's bash_completion which is making it fail |
| 08:04.30 | simonrvn | load bash_completion first, then yours? |
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| 08:04.50 | luckylucy | ok, i have a question, i have fstab set to mount hdb1 to / and hda1 to /mnt/data1, now i am thinking that was not the best way b/c i now have my operating system on a 250gb hard drive and the data on another 250gb. i need to transfer the rest of my data to this server, but it is about 220gb, which means i will run out of space on the data disk. is there a better way to do this so i don't use so much for the op sys and "spa |
| 08:05.51 | jaggz | I put the source bash_completion at the end of .bashrc and it works now. |
| 08:06.11 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 08:07.04 | simonrvn | luckylucy: do it in stages, compress some stuff first, possibly via pipe |
| 08:08.30 | luckylucy | simonrvn: what would i search to read up on this? pipes? debian compression? |
| 08:09.00 | simonrvn | !tell luckylucy -about grounding |
| 08:09.16 | jaggz | lucky, you might also divide data1/ into multiple directories and have one or more of those be from / |
| 08:09.41 | Boohbah | luckylucy: or consider using LVM |
| 08:09.42 | jaggz | or repartition and mount them there instead of using links (maybe safer to use a mountpoint than the symlink, which could get overwritten I figure) |
| 08:09.48 | jaggz | yeah, or lvm :) |
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| 08:14.19 | luckylucy | jaggz: what do you mean by "be from /" |
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| 08:17.06 | jaggz | I mean, mkdir /var/data && mkdir /var/data/something && ln -s /var/data/something /mnt/data1/something |
| 08:17.14 | PiousMinion | Anyone had any luck with getting apt-proxy to work with volatile and/or debian-multimedia? I just get 404s on apt-get update. :( |
| 08:17.56 | jaggz | if you have some subdirs in /mnt/data1, perhaps have one of those be linked so that data is really stored in the root fs somewhere... |
| 08:18.09 | jaggz | but I've not used LVM.. you might want to look into it since it might handle growing data needs for you. |
| 08:19.18 | maxagaz | how to check if a package is installed ? |
| 08:19.37 | MJS | maxagaz: dpkg -l | grep package |
| 08:20.27 | jaggz | I like aptitude search package so I can get an overview and status of a bunch of 'em |
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| 08:22.20 | luckylucy | jaggz: lvm looks fantastic, but a bit scary for the newbie. |
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| 08:23.55 | simonrvn | MJS, maxagaz: "dpkg -l package" is fine |
| 08:24.18 | maxagaz | MJS, simonrvn, thanks |
| 08:24.28 | MJS | no problem |
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| 08:27.56 | pyrohotdog | How can I edit files in busybox? |
| 08:29.01 | doleyb | pyrohotdog: vi filename |
| 08:29.03 | Boohbah | pyrohotdog: vi |
| 08:29.12 | jaggz | hmm... alias ..='cd ..' |
| 08:29.33 | pyrohotdog | vi: command not found |
| 08:30.26 | doleyb | pyrohotdog: idk, my busybox has vi. Did you look around for it with ls? |
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| 08:31.28 | pyrohotdog | doleyb: I know, I expected to use vi. I looked around to no avail. |
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| 08:33.15 | muska_ | i accidentally set my language environment to japanese using set-language-env, how do i set it back to english? when i type the command again it doesn't display an option for english, just many other language including japanaese |
| 08:33.19 | muska_ | japanese* |
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| 08:34.15 | doleyb | muska_: look for us or us-intl ? |
| 08:34.30 | muska_ | one sec |
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| 08:34.54 | muska_ | unfortunately that's not an option in the list |
| 08:35.40 | Boohbah | pyrohotdog: cat is also a superb editor |
| 08:35.49 | merlincorey | Boohbah: you mean sed |
| 08:36.15 | merlincorey | Boohbah: well, sed, cat, and awk = an editor |
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| 08:38.44 | dacs | lspci showes 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03). but still i don't hear any sound |
| 08:38.49 | mbn_18 | Hi, in my server, 3 IPs are configured. how do I set the default one? |
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| 08:39.33 | amphi | !tell dacs -about alsa checklist |
| 08:40.13 | muska_ | well i guess it only made changes to this one account so i will just create a new account and copy the settings over :) |
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| 08:49.22 | dacs | amphi: thanks mate , i got it to work using you directions :) |
| 08:49.23 | PiousMinion | Which should have a higher pin priority. volatile or security updates? |
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| 08:49.54 | amphi | dacs: good-oh |
| 08:50.39 | dacs | amphi: another question, when i play a movie from youtube, it kinda breaks a little bit, how can i check if my card is ok |
| 08:51.11 | amphi | I don't know about flash, I use a script and mplayer for youtube |
| 08:51.28 | dacs | how? |
| 08:52.10 | PiousMinion | dacs: adobe doesn't care about linux users. The version of flash for linux has always suffered. :( |
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| 08:52.37 | amphi | !tell dacs -about youtube script |
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| 08:59.11 | iamjay | woaaah |
| 08:59.17 | iamjay | that youtube.sh script is nice :) |
| 08:59.29 | simonrvn | !youtube-dl |
| 08:59.30 | Decepticon | Search could not be completed |
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| 09:00.30 | iamjay | any1 happen to know of a way to have youtube addresses automatically beeing opened with it? |
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| 09:01.04 | iamjay | URxvt.urlLauncher: /usr/bin/firefox |
| 09:01.06 | iamjay | k..nvm |
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| 09:01.56 | christoz | hello, what is the update-notifiers's graphical front end name? |
| 09:02.02 | christoz | on gnome |
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| 09:04.23 | trentster | Hey all, How do I view a remote xwindows desktop, can I redirect via ssh, and is it possible to take control of the desktop while the use ris in front of the machine for training purposes etc? |
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| 09:05.20 | dacs | amphi: so i followed the instruction, now my question is: I have to know the url for my vedio ?! |
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| 09:05.28 | dacs | i can't search it.no? |
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| 09:07.21 | p0g0 | trentster: google vnc, krdc, and tunneling vnc via ssh |
| 09:10.10 | trentster | thanks |
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| 09:14.35 | Tr0gd0r | !tell tr0gd0r -about youtube script |
| 09:15.12 | liable | !tell Tr0gd0r about selftell |
| 09:16.01 | Tr0gd0r | lol sorry |
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| 09:16.21 | liable | no problem, ment to be informative, rather than telling you off :) |
| 09:16.35 | Tr0gd0r | obv not spam |
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| 09:28.41 | dacs_ | no i didn't |
| 09:28.46 | idebugthereforei | hey folks. i have a slight issue with the debian installer. when i install debian using the lvm + encryption, i'm unable to boot afterwards, because during the installer it sees my scsi raid as SDB and my cdrom drive as SDA, but when it boots afterwards, it sees the scsi raid as SDA and then can't really boot. without lvm, i just correct fstab, but with lvm, i'm not sure how to do that |
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| 09:32.40 | jaggz | in vim, how do I make all windows the same width? |
| 09:32.47 | jaggz | like ^W = makes them same height |
| 09:35.19 | hoxu | jaggz, you are already asking this on #vim, aren't you? |
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| 09:35.43 | dacs | amphi: enouf i love the youtube script |
| 09:35.51 | dacs | amphi: enouf i love the youtube script |
| 09:36.14 | jaggz | yeah.. got it.. ^W = is for same width too.. strange if you ask me :) |
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| 09:37.21 | jaggz | thanks :) |
| 09:37.23 | jaggz | gonna git |
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| 09:39.09 | enouf | amphi: heh, the http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_youtube_script link works again .. amazing :-P |
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| 09:39.37 | dacs | enouf: but i got a question |
| 09:39.40 | enouf | thought i'd have to find a new docking location ... |
| 09:40.06 | enouf | s/i'd/he'd/ ...3rd persons ..ugh |
| 09:40.12 | dacs | enouf: how do you search for a vid |
| 09:40.28 | enouf | dacs: like you do any other vid - google.com ;-) |
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| 09:41.19 | dacs | enouf: then copy the url |
| 09:41.32 | enouf | dacs: right click it, grab the url, insert it using /bin script |
| 09:41.59 | dacs | enouf: but dude for how fast it runs the vids.. i will do that |
| 09:42.11 | dacs | enouf: /bin what you mean |
| 09:42.31 | enouf | dacs: it's all explained at the wiki we sent you |
| 09:42.47 | enouf | dacs: here's an example of one i had in history ~$ bin/youtube-amphi.sh http://www.youtube.com/v/X0au62iyeMQ |
| 09:43.03 | enouf | i have no idea what that video is |
| 09:43.05 | dacs | enouf: oh oh oh i got that part , i thought something else |
| 09:43.14 | maxagaz | how to know from which package does a command come from ? |
| 09:43.36 | enouf | maxagaz: dpkg -S ; dlocate ; apt-file |
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| 09:44.18 | enouf | even dpkgbot ; p.d.o |
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| 09:45.09 | maxagaz | enouf, for example, how to know the package from which ls comes from ? |
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| 09:45.29 | CoolCold | dpkg -S `which ls` |
| 09:45.29 | dpkg | Package: `which ls`: Status: install ok installed |
| 09:45.42 | CoolCold | erm |
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| 09:45.55 | CoolCold | WHAT I'VE DONE to DPKG?!!! |
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| 09:46.00 | CoolCold | :) |
| 09:46.04 | enouf | !find bin/ls |
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| 09:46.33 | enouf | CoolCold: dpkg -S in the shell |
| 09:46.39 | CoolCold | yes |
| 09:46.45 | CoolCold | that was to maxagaz |
| 09:46.52 | anoHito | hi guys, has anyoned ever used intel s3000ah motherboard as your server motherbard ? |
| 09:46.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ls' (10 of 47): (/bin/ls) in utils/coreutils ;; (/usr/bin/lshal) in admin/hal ;; (/usr/bin/lsat) in utils/lsat ;; (/usr/bin/lsof) in utils/lsof ;; (/usr/bin/lswm) in utils/lswm ;; (/usr/bin/lshw) in utils/lshw ;; (/usr/sbin/lslk) in utils/lslk ;; (/usr/bin/lsdvd) in utils/lsdvd ;; (/usr/bin/lsw) in x11/dwm-tools ;; (/sbin/lspnp) in utils/pnputils. |
| 09:48.08 | CoolCold | anoHito: not used, but what the problem? |
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| 09:48.36 | anoHito | hi CoolCold , i am wondering how can i make raid with intel s3000ah motherbaord on debian |
| 09:48.45 | anoHito | i have never tried doing raid |
| 09:49.00 | CoolCold | hardware raid or software raid? |
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| 09:49.24 | CoolCold | i guess software is preferred one |
| 09:49.34 | Thundering_somet | is Back from (auto-away after 2hrs of inactivity) - (Gone: 2hrs 13mins 36secs) |
| 09:50.31 | anoHito | CoolCold, i dont understand |
| 09:50.51 | anoHito | CoolCold, the intel s3000ah has 2 built onboard raid controller |
| 09:50.51 | liable | !tell Thundering_somet -about away |
| 09:51.15 | CoolCold | anoHito: and u wanna use them? |
| 09:51.29 | anoHito | CoolCold, LSI and Intel Matrix Storage |
| 09:51.42 | anoHito | CoolCold, i do not know what they work for |
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| 09:53.07 | CoolCold | i think you should read feedbacks about that 'raids' first |
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| 09:53.27 | CoolCold | i have strong believing that motherboard built in raids suck |
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| 09:54.05 | buffoon_work | CoolCold, well, I'd say that hardware raids with hot swap discs work but i'd prefer software raid on the other ones |
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| 09:54.16 | Faithful | CoolCold, that depends on what's built in |
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| 09:54.31 | anoHito | CoolCold, oh |
| 09:54.37 | CoolCold | buffoon_work: hot swap and battery support is ok |
| 09:54.43 | anoHito | CoolCold, so you would suggest soft raid ? |
| 09:54.55 | CoolCold | i'm not saying they suck, i believe they suck :) |
| 09:55.11 | anoHito | hmm |
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| 09:55.55 | CoolCold | i've tryed srcu41L |
| 09:56.13 | CoolCold | the software raid5 on linux / bsd was way faster then it |
| 09:56.27 | CoolCold | not saying it can be configured with mice only ( i mean bios ) |
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| 09:57.04 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
| 09:57.05 | anoHito | CoolCold, you mean soft raid vs hardware raid on linux ? |
| 09:57.36 | CoolCold | anoHito: yes, i would suggest soft raid instead of build in at least |
| 09:57.37 | anoHito | CoolCold, my server is a standard 1 U case, some people say can not install external raid card in this small case ,right ? |
| 09:57.50 | AlexC_ | I've just copied an entire drive to another (via dd), all works great apart from networking. I believe the issue is due to the MAC address of the interfaces has changed (the copied drive is now in another machine). How can I track down these MAC addresses and change them to what they should be? |
| 09:58.24 | anoHito | CoolCold, hmm if the soft raid on linux debian has been well tested also has a good reputation,it would be nice. |
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| 09:58.38 | mbn_18 | Hi, in my server, 3 IPs are configured. how do I set the default one? |
| 09:58.39 | anoHito | plus easy to set it up ,cuz i am a noob :D |
| 09:58.47 | buffoon_work | AlexC_, /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 09:59.01 | CoolCold | AlexC_: rm /mnt/root/etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 09:59.05 | CoolCold | :) |
| 09:59.20 | liable | its not z25 anymore |
| 09:59.26 | liable | !z25 |
| 09:59.26 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 09:59.47 | CoolCold | anoHito: and here we meeting problems.. |
| 09:59.53 | CoolCold | liable: in lenny u mean? |
| 10:00.00 | liable | yep |
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| 10:00.11 | AlexC_ | buffoon_work, CoolCold interesting, ok. Would removing the file be automagaically regenerate for me, upon restart? |
| 10:00.15 | CoolCold | anoHito: i've believed in software raids untill subscribed to linux-raid mailing list |
| 10:00.25 | CoolCold | now i don't know what to believe :) |
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| 10:00.56 | anoHito | CoolCold, what is the best tool to make soft raid on debian ? |
| 10:01.13 | CoolCold | but looks like software raid levels 0,1,10 should work ok.. |
| 10:01.16 | anoHito | i assume that there are many programs can do it |
| 10:01.22 | CoolCold | anoHito: it's the only one, mdadm |
| 10:01.27 | urezki | anoHito: i am using mdadm |
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| 10:01.36 | anoHito | oh |
| 10:01.50 | CoolCold | there is lvm with mirroring, but not sure it's 1) stable 2) exists in deb packages |
| 10:01.53 | anoHito | Thanks very much , i will check it out |
| 10:01.55 | urezki | anoHito: actually all of them are using device mapper subsytem of the kernel |
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| 10:02.14 | segfault- | hi |
| 10:02.28 | anoHito | thanks CoolCold and urezki , i will check it out. |
| 10:02.41 | segfault- | i upgraded a very old potato to etch and now going to maybe do it to lenny, i can't get an imapd working |
| 10:02.48 | segfault- | any hints ? |
| 10:02.59 | CoolCold | i'm installing new servers and trying to make decision which kernel i should use.. |
| 10:03.21 | CoolCold | 2.6.25.2 is nice, except it has some unfixed deadlocks on raid resync.. |
| 10:03.23 | AlexC_ | CoolCold, buffoon_work awesome, removing the file to force it to be recreated worked just fine. Thanks both! |
| 10:04.02 | CoolCold | AlexC_: not at all..that was really suprise for me to meet such automagic when clonning drive at first time :) |
| 10:05.16 | DaemonDEB | I'm compiling 2.6.29-rc8 |
| 10:05.20 | DaemonDEB | at the moment |
| 10:05.38 | DaemonDEB | I can't really use the kernel that comes with Debian |
| 10:05.53 | DaemonDEB | too many things in my system need facilities that it doesn't have |
| 10:06.14 | DaemonDEB | it's good enough to get me going til I can build one, that's about it |
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| 10:06.56 | DaemonDEB | if I try to use anything below 2.6.26, I am in major trouble |
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| 10:07.06 | CoolCold | really? |
| 10:07.12 | DaemonDEB | CentOS's Enterprise Linux kernel 2.6.18 seems to be the only exception |
| 10:07.19 | CoolCold | uses 2.6.18 & 2.6.25 as stable ones |
| 10:07.21 | DaemonDEB | but Red Hat backports a lot of drivers |
| 10:07.39 | CoolCold | the only thing i miss in 2.6.18 is taskstats.. |
| 10:07.51 | AlexC_ | btw, there is one thing I have noticed, upon startup I get the following: "SIOCADDRT: No such process \n Failed to bring up eth1." - however, eth1 *does* come up and it works fully. What could be causing this? |
| 10:07.57 | CoolCold | yeah, centos is good in backporting |
| 10:07.58 | DaemonDEB | anything below 2.6.18 has reall horrid POSIX threading |
| 10:08.11 | AlexC_ | this also appears on the original, so is not an issue relating to the cloning |
| 10:08.12 | DaemonDEB | you're advised not to try it with any recent iD Software game |
| 10:08.51 | DaemonDEB | id goes as far as saying "Don't call us looking for support if you use anything below 2.6.18" heh |
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| 10:09.06 | anoHito | CoolCold, i am very curious |
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| 10:09.59 | anoHito | CoolCold, there are many 1 U case server runs linux in the datacentre, i mean maybe many of them run soft raid ? since most of raid external card can not be installed in a 1 u case |
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| 10:10.21 | CoolCold | DaemonDEB: games on servers? |
| 10:10.39 | CoolCold | anoHito: may be |
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| 10:10.54 | DaemonDEB | they advised not to run the game on lower than Linux 2.6.18 |
| 10:11.00 | CoolCold | anoHito: we have a lot of servers with aic9410w and run softraids on it |
| 10:11.04 | DaemonDEB | because of broken threading support on those kernels |
| 10:11.12 | baz | hi guys, getting a warning about untrusted packages when I try to install latest curl |
| 10:11.30 | baz | aptitude safe-upgrade wants to install curl and libcurl3 |
| 10:11.36 | CoolCold | if i'd run games on servers my boss will kick me in da ass and will be right ;) |
| 10:11.39 | baz | but they're apparently untrusted? |
| 10:11.43 | baz | any clues? |
| 10:11.57 | DaemonDEB | I'm just using Debian as a home desktop |
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| 10:12.06 | DaemonDEB | I have to implement some workarounds though |
| 10:12.14 | DaemonDEB | hacks for the power manager, stuff like that |
| 10:12.17 | DaemonDEB | nothing too serious |
| 10:12.19 | CoolCold | ah..linux on desktop...then i see why u need recent kernels.. |
| 10:12.47 | CoolCold | prefers working solutions for desktop which just works ;) |
| 10:12.56 | anoHito | CoolCold, what is aic9410w ? |
| 10:13.00 | DaemonDEB | I used Ubuntu til I got this new motherboard last year and saw how horrible it was trying to build my own kernel on their system |
| 10:13.11 | DaemonDEB | you can get it running, but their tools mess up the headers |
| 10:13.17 | DaemonDEB | and then you can't make modules |
| 10:13.33 | CoolCold | vista works fine ;) |
| 10:13.45 | DaemonDEB | mmhm |
| 10:13.47 | CoolCold | just unpackaed computer and it works out from the box |
| 10:13.59 | DaemonDEB | I'd rather take a fire axe to my system |
| 10:14.02 | DaemonDEB | and be merciful |
| 10:14.12 | CoolCold | anoHito: disk controller which supports 'hardware' raid |
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| 10:15.00 | DaemonDEB | CoolCold: 2001-2006 and all they have to show for it is an OS thats 8 times bigger where you *sometimes* don't need the driver for your ethernet |
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| 10:15.05 | DaemonDEB | I'm not impressed B-) |
| 10:15.17 | baz | nobody knows why apt is installing untrusted files? :( |
| 10:15.21 | anoHito | CoolCold, that means you gave up using the hardware raid, select soft raid ,wow ? |
| 10:15.48 | DaemonDEB | baz: Causew you don't have their public key installed? |
| 10:16.45 | CoolCold | DaemonDEB: yeah yeah, but in 2002 or 2003 some printer configuration tool (or it was kudzu?) tryed to print test page into my usb sound system (altec lansing ada 70:) |
| 10:16.45 | baz | DaemonDEB: did yesterday. not sure why it would have disappeared |
| 10:16.54 | baz | DaemonDEB: any clues how to fix? |
| 10:17.09 | DaemonDEB | add it again and refresh apt? |
| 10:17.23 | baz | DaemonDEB: sorry, I meant any ideas what I need to type in? |
| 10:17.35 | DaemonDEB | where are you getting the files? |
| 10:17.53 | DaemonDEB | they should have instructions for installing their signing key |
| 10:18.01 | baz | ah ok |
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| 10:18.58 | DaemonDEB | CoolCold: I tried BtrFS on the Rawhide branch (Fedora), it's offered in 2.6.29 |
| 10:19.12 | DaemonDEB | it was the slowest fs I've ever tried and it ate my volume |
| 10:19.13 | dacs | how can i install open office |
| 10:19.17 | DaemonDEB | I was not amused |
| 10:19.19 | CoolCold | DaemonDEB: so? |
| 10:19.35 | merlincorey | dacs: you use apt or aptitude and install openoffice.org or so |
| 10:19.41 | DaemonDEB | Well, they're touting it as faster than XFS with more features than ZFS |
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| 10:19.48 | DaemonDEB | and it's neither at this point |
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| 10:20.00 | CoolCold | anoHito: that 'hardware' raid requires firmware to be loaded into it to start...this is hell not 'hardware' |
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| 10:20.28 | CoolCold | DaemonDEB: as i understand btfs will be usable > 2 years |
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| 10:20.45 | DaemonDEB | Well, they were saying a 1.0 by the end of 2008 |
| 10:20.49 | DaemonDEB | then they backed off from that |
| 10:21.08 | CoolCold | at least i'll not use it before 2 years come |
| 10:21.11 | DaemonDEB | not that XFS is in any dire need of replacement for my purposes |
| 10:21.11 | DaemonDEB | :P |
| 10:21.25 | CoolCold | still uses etch and has some sarge's |
| 10:21.45 | DaemonDEB | I was just curious about it so I used the icantbelieveitsnotbtr cheat code :P |
| 10:21.52 | baz | meh so I need to find security.debian.org's apt key? |
| 10:21.55 | CoolCold | not going to update them to lenny for 1/2 of year :) |
| 10:21.55 | DaemonDEB | I got the F11 disc just for that really |
| 10:22.06 | anoHito | CoolCold, then my intel s3000ah does not support hardware raid :( |
| 10:22.51 | baz | Err http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release |
| 10:22.54 | baz | that could be it |
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| 10:23.03 | CoolCold | anoHito: that's nice, 1) u have no choice 2) no headache what raid use 3) won't meet situation when you mobo dies and how to get info from that hw raid :) |
| 10:23.14 | DaemonDEB | I wouldn't leave any systems around that weren't at least getting security support |
| 10:23.28 | ubd | hello are nfs and samba are substitutes in a way_ |
| 10:23.34 | segfault- | could imap auth not working could be linked to my 2.4 kernel running ? |
| 10:23.59 | DeSian | by trnasport all files to a new machine i have /var/lib/mysql file owner problems, the table is imported successfully , but said "can't find the blabla_user.frm" i change the chmod to 755 now said the "blabla_user.frm is read only" i think is the chown problem. that is directory listing http://paste.debian.net/30875/ how can fix that? |
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| 10:24.20 | anoHito | CoolCold, :) |
| 10:24.44 | DaemonDEB | I don't really care about much besides the kernel |
| 10:24.54 | merlincorey | ubd: kinda ; they both allow network access to filesystems |
| 10:24.58 | anoHito | CoolCold, if we set up software raid with mdadm, lets assume raid 1, if when one disk fails, what do we do ? |
| 10:25.04 | baz | ok so security.debian.org doesn't have a Release file on it? |
| 10:25.19 | baz | that explains a lot |
| 10:25.38 | segfault- | anoHito, software raid is stupid. |
| 10:25.39 | baz | guess I wait for them to fix it |
| 10:25.43 | DaemonDEB | If the kernel is bad, you're not going to get much further anyway B-) |
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| 10:26.36 | anoHito | hmmm |
| 10:27.19 | anoHito | segfault-, i dont think my intel s3000ah supports hardware raid with the build onboard controller. |
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| 10:27.47 | segfault- | anoHito, well, lots of mothermoards support sata raid, including a8n series |
| 10:28.05 | segfault- | but imho, raid is out of question |
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| 10:28.26 | anoHito | segfault-, mine tells, it offers 2 of them, LSI and Intel matrix storage |
| 10:28.50 | segfault- | anyway, i'm seeking a solution to my imap problem |
| 10:28.53 | nandarya- | How can I open a port for remote access in debian? |
| 10:28.57 | anoHito | segfault-, but i went to itel website, they do not offer driver for debian for raid,but only for redhat and suse |
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| 10:29.06 | segfault- | nandarya-, iptables |
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| 10:29.23 | nandarya- | segfault-, thanks, will google some. |
| 10:29.28 | segfault- | anoHito, do they give the source ? |
| 10:29.49 | anoHito | segfault-, i do not know. |
| 10:30.23 | anoHito | segfault-,thanks anyway,i will check softraid |
| 10:30.33 | Faithful | anyone know why samba is so slow after dist-upgrade from etch to lenny? |
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| 10:30.48 | Faithful | oh... AMD64 |
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| 10:31.16 | DaemonDEB | or Intel64 |
| 10:31.25 | DaemonDEB | or you can compile generic x86-64 |
| 10:31.42 | DaemonDEB | but why do that unless you need to be sure it runs on the other system too? |
| 10:32.32 | segfault- | Faithful, smbfs still working ? |
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| 10:35.08 | maxagaz | CoolCold, your command doesn't work for a lot of search, example: dpkg -S `which stardict` |
| 10:35.12 | Faithful | it is only samba that is real slow... |
| 10:35.40 | segfault- | can anyone help me with this imap auth not working ? |
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| 10:36.45 | Faithful | segfault-, Um, yes... its still working... why is it supposed to be broken completely |
| 10:37.08 | segfault- | Faithful, that could give an hint if it wasn't working lol |
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| 10:38.08 | kamp2tux | there are many repo links in /etc/apt/sources.list -- so how does a package is be selected to download from one of the repo (what if same package is appear in a few repo) is it based on sequence (top-down approach) ? or based on the newer package version is downloaded from one of the repo ? please advise, thanks. |
| 10:38.15 | Faithful | thanks segfault- :-p |
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| 10:39.12 | sterna | hi |
| 10:39.34 | sterna | how can i use https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/postgresql/lenny-8.3 to build 8.3.7 postgresql? |
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| 10:44.11 | sohum | so if I have something in /etc/init.d that should start on bootup but isn't, how would I go about doing the basic sanity checks? |
| 10:46.26 | petemc | sohum: check the links in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 10:46.39 | petemc | sohum: if they're present, try and start it manually |
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| 10:48.21 | kunal | hello. |
| 10:48.47 | kunal | hey. was just wondering how to configure my eth0? |
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| 10:49.15 | sohum | petemc: ah-ha! it's not in any of the rcX.ds. So do I just create symlinks or something? |
| 10:49.57 | zzzz | !pastebin |
| 10:49.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 10:50.10 | petemc | sohum: you can, or use update-rc.d to create them for you |
| 10:50.24 | kunal | any idea on how to modify how my eth0 connects? |
| 10:50.39 | zzzz | hi |
| 10:50.43 | sohum | petemc: shiny, thanks |
| 10:50.44 | petemc | kunal: /etc/network/interfaces ; man 5 interfaces |
| 10:50.45 | segfault- | kunal : /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:50.47 | zzzz | i have this problem: http://paste.debian.net/30877/ |
| 10:50.59 | zzzz | can anyone help me with this ? |
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| 10:51.06 | zzzz | what should i do ? |
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| 10:51.52 | kunal | i have done that already segfault: and the problem is that it doesnt show anything regarding my eth0. it only shows something about auto lo and thats my wireless network |
| 10:52.13 | petemc | kunal: you need to add entries |
| 10:52.29 | kunal | even if it doesnt say anything about eth0? |
| 10:52.46 | petemc | if you set up eth0 during the install, there would be an entry for it already |
| 10:52.55 | kunal | if not. then? |
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| 10:53.15 | kunal | can i manually copy it off and load it in? |
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| 10:53.29 | petemc | kunal: if you have an interface called eth0, add the appropriate entries for it, i pointed you toward the man page already |
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| 10:54.11 | kunal | ok. thanks. |
| 10:54.12 | ma3x | how do i install debian so that i have 2 raid one's |
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| 11:00.25 | anoHito | CoolCold, are you still there ? |
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| 11:00.55 | anoHito | i am curious, CoolCold , i plan to do a raid 1, how to deal with the /boot partition? |
| 11:00.59 | segfault- | anyone : is there a way to "put" a deboostrapped system on / ? |
| 11:01.10 | segfault- | (so when it reboots, the env is new) |
| 11:01.40 | anoHito | i mean, if we install /boot in either disk, they all have a chance to go failure, when that happens, system can not boot whatever it is raid |
| 11:01.41 | petemc | segfault-: sure, theres instructions in the install guide |
| 11:01.50 | segfault- | uri ? |
| 11:02.01 | petemc | you cant find the debian install guide? |
| 11:02.02 | segfault- | i mean |
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| 11:02.10 | segfault- | i'm going to erase a live system |
| 11:02.18 | petemc | yes |
| 11:02.28 | petemc | that scenario exactly is covered |
| 11:02.29 | kunal | is borad cast and gateway same thing? |
| 11:02.35 | petemc | kunal: no |
| 11:02.37 | segfault- | petemc, that thing debian install guide is enough |
| 11:02.39 | segfault- | rtfming |
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| 11:06.22 | ubd_ | hello nfs-common is installed \ do i need nfs-kernel-server |
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| 11:08.47 | kunal113 | i just have 1 small question after reading the manual it says that if i can use ifconfig to configure my network. if i do "ifconfig eth0 10.10.211.196 netmask 255.255.255.254.0 gateway 10.10.210.1" |
| 11:08.57 | kunal113 | will my system recognize it? |
| 11:09.09 | kunal113 | and follow the given address? |
| 11:09.10 | Chousuke | the netmask is a bit weird :P |
| 11:09.11 | luckylucy | anyone familiar with apache: i have a virtual host, but i always get page not found...why could this be? |
| 11:09.17 | petemc | kunal113: yes, but you're better to use the interfaces file if you want those settings permanenbt |
| 11:09.28 | kunal113 | i want ot 1st test it. |
| 11:09.34 | kunal113 | and then i'll make it permenant. |
| 11:09.53 | kunal113 | how about if i wanted to add in dns can i simply add dns at the end and specify the value? |
| 11:10.03 | Chousuke | no |
| 11:10.07 | petemc | kunal113: the gateway line wont work |
| 11:10.14 | Chousuke | kunal113: for dns, edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:10.25 | petemc | and for gateway, use route or ip |
| 11:10.38 | petemc | kunal113: really, you're better off using the interfaces file |
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| 11:11.21 | kunal113 | so route 10.10.210.1 ? |
| 11:11.29 | kunal113 | i know petemc. let me just give this 1 chance |
| 11:11.47 | dusty_ | Hey guys I have DenyHosts working on a debian etch server. It has stopped emailing me the email that it sends you when it adds another entry to /etc/deny.hosts - i have it working fine emailing me all the time on a centos box. I have checked the configuration file and the mail settings are correct.. any ideas why it wouldn't be sending the email ? |
| 11:11.48 | kunal113 | yup nameserve looks good |
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| 11:14.08 | kunal113 | petemc: route: hsot name look up fiaulre |
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| 11:14.11 | kunal113 | i odnt htink route does exist |
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| 11:14.33 | kunal113 | it smth else |
| 11:14.48 | petemc | the command isnt just "route 10.10.210.1" |
| 11:14.57 | petemc | you cant guess how these things work, you need to read |
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| 11:15.51 | kunal113 | yeah well i am jsut trying to get 1 line working |
| 11:16.07 | caraconan | Hi. I try to show a portion of a log (is 'date ordered') between two dates. But http://pastebin.com/m5229a12 starts well but continues too much (ends with date after 03\/15\/09). Any help with sed ? |
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| 11:18.13 | CoolCold | anoHito: yeah |
| 11:18.26 | CoolCold | i'll here for 24/7, at least my irssi is ;) |
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| 11:18.57 | anoHito | CoolCold, so in soft raid ,where would you install /boot to ? |
| 11:19.18 | anoHito | the boot partition is very important, at the no. 1 place i d guess |
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| 11:21.04 | segfault- | anoHito, irrelevant |
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| 11:21.30 | anoHito | huh? i do not understand |
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| 11:22.10 | segfault- | anoHito, this was relevant on very old computers |
| 11:22.18 | segfault- | it is no longer on modern ones |
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| 11:23.01 | anoHito | segfault-, what would you suggest ? |
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| 11:23.27 | anoHito | segfault-, i have an intel s3000ah motherboard with xeon cpu which are put in a standard 1 U case. |
| 11:23.32 | anoHito | i need to do raid 1. |
| 11:23.39 | segfault- | anoHito, create your raid set |
| 11:23.51 | segfault- | then use it as a logical volume like any hard drive |
| 11:24.02 | segfault- | that's for hard raid |
| 11:24.13 | anoHito | segfault-, but the seller told me, most of modern raid external card cannot be installed in that small 1 u case. |
| 11:24.33 | segfault- | for soft, synchronize the two hard drives |
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| 11:27.03 | dusty_ | Does anyone use denyhosts ? |
| 11:27.49 | Daviey | dusty_: many people do |
| 11:28.54 | Boohbah | Prathibha: http://autotrace.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 11:32.59 | segfault- | anoHito, http://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1-degraded-etch.html |
| 11:34.11 | CoolCold | anoHito: i'm doing install boot & / on raid1 |
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| 11:35.14 | dusty_ | Daviey: ok then ill re-paste... |
| 11:35.19 | dusty_ | Hey guys I have DenyHosts working on a debian etch server. It has stopped emailing me the email that it sends you when it adds another entry to /etc/deny.hosts - i have it working fine emailing me all the time on a centos box. I have checked the configuration file and the mail settings are correct.. any ideas why it wouldn't be sending the email ? |
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| 11:35.31 | anoHito | thanks a lot, segfault- ,that doc is very useful and i ve gotten it bookmarked |
| 11:35.33 | CoolCold | anoHito: like this http://paste.org.ru/?w4w70g |
| 11:35.34 | dusty_ | It adds the blocked hosts to the hosts.deny file - it just does not send an email. |
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| 11:35.47 | segfault- | anoHito, dude, i just used google and keywords.. |
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| 11:35.56 | segfault- | anoHito, look : debian raid software how to |
| 11:35.59 | nse | My debian became incredible slow after a new monitor was plug in. I am on a 2.4GHz Pentium 4 and the flack-wacker is a 75Hz 1280x1024. Do you guys have a hint on how to foward life this way? |
| 11:36.01 | segfault- | easy as that |
| 11:36.11 | segfault- | nse, shared memory ? |
| 11:36.22 | luckylucy | hello, i have a problem, when i add my local dns server to the resolv.conf file, i can resolve the names in /etc/hosts on the network, but not the internet. when i remove them and just have my isp's dns servers, i can resolve external website names, but not the local ones. how cna i get both? |
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| 11:36.31 | anoHito | CoolCold, i am sorry,i meant, is there a safe way to install /boot to a relative safe zone in a disk ,once the disk failures happen on the /boot zone, we are all finished. |
| 11:36.35 | nse | !shared memory |
| 11:36.54 | anoHito | segfault-, yeah,i will. |
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| 11:37.47 | dusty_ | Anyone? |
| 11:37.58 | dusty_ | Daviey: ? |
| 11:38.23 | kunal113 | well done. sucessful got the debian connection configured |
| 11:38.34 | segfault- | anoHito, kid, even if /boot /usr and /sbin are dead, you can still repair |
| 11:38.34 | CoolCold | anoHito: just creating /boot on raid1 isn't safe? |
| 11:38.44 | CoolCold | if one drive fails, you can boot from another |
| 11:38.58 | kunal113 | question tho. how bout if my computer connect from multiple ethernet connections. |
| 11:39.09 | kunal113 | like i have 2. and they both are different. |
| 11:39.22 | anoHito | CoolCold, yeah that is a good methon, but i heard we will need to edit stuff in menu.1st to chance the device for boot to use the raid zone |
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| 11:40.09 | kunal113 | so do i make 2 connections? eth0 and eth1? |
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| 11:40.24 | kunal113 | but i use the same ethernet modem |
| 11:40.28 | segfault- | anoHito, you could setup a busybox in case of emergency |
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| 11:41.08 | pgs | luckylucy, I think you need to configure your local dns server to forward anything it can't resolve to your ISP's dns servers |
| 11:41.12 | DaemonDEB | why in the hell is Calgary enabled in the x86 and x86-64 kernel? |
| 11:41.19 | DaemonDEB | that's only on IBM servers |
| 11:41.21 | anoHito | segfault-, usually,if we use soft raid on linux, where should we install /boot to ? |
| 11:41.34 | petemc | DaemonDEB: probably for people with ibm servers, then |
| 11:41.36 | segfault- | anoHito, on your raid |
| 11:41.45 | DaemonDEB | PowerPC is a different arch |
| 11:41.56 | DaemonDEB | Calgary has nothing to do with x86 |
| 11:41.56 | petemc | not all ibm servers are powerpc |
| 11:41.58 | anoHito | segfault-, I see. |
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| 11:42.08 | Daviey | dusty_: i guess you have exim / postfix or another MTA installed? |
| 11:42.10 | petemc | DaemonDEB: you seem to complain a lot |
| 11:42.15 | segfault- | anoHito, don't focus on /boot |
| 11:42.17 | ringo999 | so i installed apache2 with libapache2-mod-php5. however, when I browse to a php file it only prompts me to download the file. so php is not working together with apache. any idea? |
| 11:42.21 | luckylucy | pgs: that i what i am thinking, the question then becomes: how do you configure your local dns server to forward only requests, and where are these configs set / saved? |
| 11:42.33 | anoHito | segfault-, well ? |
| 11:42.38 | segfault- | /boot is not an essential part of the system |
| 11:42.38 | scientes | ringo999, apache is a bitch about turning on CGI |
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| 11:42.56 | segfault- | anoHito, if your system fail, you can recreate a /boot |
| 11:43.05 | scientes | ringo999, it wont work unless you turn it on |
| 11:43.28 | ma3x | is therea good raid1 howto for debian? |
| 11:43.32 | anoHito | segfault-, the server is put in the datacentre,and where is very far away from my space |
| 11:43.46 | ringo999 | scientes: so that is a2enmod ...? |
| 11:43.47 | luckylucy | kunal113: ssems that you have the correct idea. if yo uhave 2 nics, you should hve an entry for each in interfaces and ifconfig should show them both (plus lo) if they are up. |
| 11:43.51 | pgs | luckylucy, you'll have to look at the doco for your dns server. it's 10+ years since I had to look after a dns server |
| 11:43.52 | anoHito | it would be the best if i can do anything myself remotely via ssh in a case |
| 11:44.29 | DaemonDEB | earlier versions of GRUB seemed to fail if /boot was on the root file system, because XFS puts its superblock on the first sector of the root file system |
| 11:44.37 | DaemonDEB | and GRUB wasn't accounting for that |
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| 11:44.58 | luckylucy | pgs: i have, it is lacking, or missing something.... it just says put them in order and it will treat them all like alternates, i'm not convinced...;) |
| 11:45.06 | DaemonDEB | that's the only point where I've ever cared about where /boot was |
| 11:46.16 | DaemonDEB | they could change it, but since that's an on disk format change and would break IRIX compatibility, and since GRUB is no longer being stupid |
| 11:46.19 | DaemonDEB | there's no reason to |
| 11:46.19 | segfault- | anoHito, then mount another hard drive, install /boot on it, and ensure a read only in there and remount it in read/write when updates are needed |
| 11:46.36 | kunal113 | anyone here knows about how to configure my etherent connection to accept 2 different ethernet cables? differently configured cables? |
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| 11:46.50 | amphi | enouf: ;) |
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| 11:47.21 | DaemonDEB | Fedora is the only Linux I know of that still fights you over that |
| 11:47.24 | segfault- | anoHito, just extrapolate your disaster scenarios |
| 11:47.35 | anoHito | segfault-, i will search for documentations,thanks. |
| 11:47.40 | segfault- | DaemonDEB, Fedora is not linux |
| 11:47.48 | rki | Lol |
| 11:47.50 | DaemonDEB | but you can always move /boot yourself, delete the ext3 partition, and have it that way later |
| 11:48.03 | petemc | kunal113: how do you configure a cable? |
| 11:48.03 | mythomaniac | anyone else seeing this: GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixbuf_get_height: assertion `pixbuf != NULL' failed. ? |
| 11:48.52 | DaemonDEB | the biggest difference is that they use RPM and Yum |
| 11:49.03 | DaemonDEB | there's very little you have to relearn to use theirs |
| 11:49.10 | DaemonDEB | or vice versa |
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| 11:49.58 | segfault- | anoHito, i'd recommand a busybox |
| 11:50.02 | DaemonDEB | And one of the XFS guys works at Red Hat, so I usually ask him if something confuses me |
| 11:50.28 | DaemonDEB | he says he still doesn't trust GRUB and that's why the instalelr won't let you put /boot on XFS, heh |
| 11:50.57 | segfault- | while i agree that grub can be problematic |
| 11:51.02 | luckylucy | pgs: i have, it is lacking, or missing something.... it just says put them in order and it will treat them all like alternates, i'm not convinced...;) |
| 11:51.07 | luckylucy | oops |
| 11:51.08 | anoHito | DaemonDEB, you are in the right channel |
| 11:51.09 | segfault- | the xfs guy doesn't realise that xfs is a joke itself |
| 11:51.12 | DaemonDEB | he said they ran into an issue where a subtle bug in GRUB was actualyl corrupting Ext3 partitions |
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| 11:51.28 | anoHito | DaemonDEB, whoever said XFS wont work with grub is incorrectly |
| 11:51.37 | segfault- | DaemonDEB, yeah, corruption by amorce :D |
| 11:51.40 | anoHito | DaemonDEB, my server runs XFS with grub. |
| 11:51.54 | DaemonDEB | it'll work, but before 0.97 it had a good chance of ruining your partition |
| 11:52.04 | Thundering_somet | is away (auto-away after 2hrs of inactivity) - (12:52 pm) |
| 11:52.30 | DaemonDEB | I just always used LILO until SGI said GRUB "should" work |
| 11:52.49 | segfault- | DaemonDEB, enough with sgi fedora and so on please ;) |
| 11:52.51 | luckylucy | kunal113, yes, you need to put them in the interfaces file. |
| 11:53.01 | anoHito | DaemonDEB, you need to tell the kernel something to let XFS be acceptable by grub loader |
| 11:53.24 | rki | 1).How do you lock it up so a user can't change his passwd 2).Not able to kill other users or run the command. |
| 11:53.33 | DaemonDEB | grub-install would usually hang because it made incorrect assumptions about the state of the file system |
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| 11:53.54 | snowhaze | hi debbers |
| 11:53.55 | segfault- | rki, chroot AND controlled environnement |
| 11:54.00 | luckylucy | kunal113: /etc/network/interfaces is the file you need (or you can do it manually each time :)) |
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| 11:54.50 | anoHito | DaemonDEB, hmm i didn't meet that myself, however, if you choose xfs along with lilo, the debian installer will remind you to use grub instead |
| 11:55.09 | xoz | DaemonDEB: check /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:55.15 | segfault- | anoHito, debian installer choose grub by default. |
| 11:55.39 | anoHito | DaemonDEB, you need to add some thing in fstab ,then in menu.1st |
| 11:55.59 | DaemonDEB | yes, GRUB has been the default in most distributions for a while now, but they pretty much all still have LILO, because it still works |
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| 11:56.16 | DaemonDEB | doesn't mean you should use it if you don't know what you're doing |
| 11:56.38 | OpenTokix | rki: just remove suid from passwd-program |
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| 11:56.53 | anoHito | segfault-, oh. |
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| 11:57.09 | lymeca | When I mount via sshfs, only the user can see the mount, not even root. Can I selectively allow one other user to be able to see the sshfs mounted dir? |
| 11:57.11 | segfault- | DaemonDEB, that just was a stupid choice, the choosen grub over lilo because at time, lilo team was not up2date |
| 11:57.13 | DaemonDEB | hmm, most either stop you or tell you to use LILO |
| 11:57.53 | rki | OpenTokix, What dir am I looking at? |
| 11:58.03 | anoHito | DaemonDEB, what exact problem in your case now ? want to run a XFS debian with grub ? |
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| 11:58.11 | OpenTokix | rki: whereis passwd is a good start |
| 11:58.17 | anoHito | if so,i can give you the resolution, DaemonDEB . |
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| 11:58.23 | segfault- | lymeca, the only way is to hijack the tty |
| 11:58.24 | OpenTokix | rki: would give you passwd: /usr/bin/passwd /etc/passwd /usr/share/man/ma... |
| 11:58.30 | DaemonDEB | yeah, I managed to switch over as of Lenny |
| 11:58.35 | DaemonDEB | B-) |
| 11:58.41 | anoHito | DaemonDEB, okay, very easy. |
| 11:58.45 | ma3x | i have 4 hard disks: 2X80GB, 2x160GB - ATA MegaIDE Raid. i want 2xRAID1! when installing lenny what should i select use partition as physucal volume for LVM or physical volume for RAID? |
| 11:59.19 | anoHito | DaemonDEB, but first of all, my mothon have been tested no problem at all in ETCH, do not know how is it would be in lenny |
| 11:59.23 | anoHito | just a note |
| 11:59.25 | cast | ma3x: wth is megaide raid? |
| 11:59.40 | ma3x | cast: no idea, it doesn't matter |
| 11:59.47 | anoHito | DaemonDEB, install debian ,select grub ,select XFS file system,ingore the warning whatever |
| 11:59.47 | segfault- | ma3x, can't hurt to say hello |
| 11:59.52 | foetus | how could i simplify this? ' find * -type f | xargs file | grep ELF | grep 'shared object' | cut -d: -f1 ' |
| 11:59.52 | ma3x | hello |
| 12:00.00 | DaemonDEB | there is no warning in Lenny |
| 12:00.06 | DaemonDEB | there was in Etch though |
| 12:00.17 | anoHito | DaemonDEB, after the installation is done, DO NOT reboot,we need to edit 2 files. |
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| 12:00.37 | xoz | foetus: that is simiplified |
| 12:00.37 | ma3x | well ,physical volume for LVM or RAID? |
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| 12:00.59 | OpenTokix | Graphic Expert Install.... |
| 12:01.04 | segfault- | ma3x, do you know about raid 10 ? |
| 12:01.20 | foetus | xoz: sure? filtering with xargs takes a little bit too long.. |
| 12:01.26 | cast | ma3x: LVM ontop of RAID perhaps |
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| 12:01.41 | anoHito | DaemonDEB, i am very sorry |
| 12:01.41 | ma3x | segfault-: no idea, is it new? |
| 12:01.42 | xoz | foetus: you mean efficient not simplifies |
| 12:01.58 | segfault- | ma3x, it isn't and it do what you want. google it. |
| 12:01.58 | foetus | xoz: yes. |
| 12:02.00 | DaemonDEB | heh |
| 12:02.02 | ma3x | cast: how do you do that LVM on top of RAID? you can either select use as LVM or RAID |
| 12:02.08 | DaemonDEB | I was just shocked that it let me is all |
| 12:02.10 | anoHito | DaemonDEB, i thought you have been talking about running XFS with disk quota together, my fault |
| 12:02.22 | DaemonDEB | no, I don't use quotas on this system |
| 12:02.33 | cast | ma3x: oh, i always use the expert option, from there one can do whatever you feel like |
| 12:03.01 | segfault- | ok guys |
| 12:03.02 | OpenTokix | ma3x: you first create your raid1's - then ontop of that you create your lvms for different mount-points - or you can just do the raids one by one |
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| 12:03.04 | anoHito | DaemonDEB, please forgive me, then , i have nothing to say, but how come XFS can not get along with grub ? |
| 12:03.08 | segfault- | raid and lvm are two different things |
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| 12:03.23 | segfault- | raid allow you to hot swap physical hard drives |
| 12:03.27 | OpenTokix | ma3x: lvm on raid is a bit simpler, since it will let you make two raids - and then all the different partitions are handled with lvm-logic |
| 12:03.31 | xoz | foetus: why not remove file command... just grep immediately to the binary file |
| 12:03.41 | segfault- | lvm does allow you to reallocate logical drives |
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| 12:04.00 | OpenTokix | segfault-: but you can make a lvm pv from a raid-device |
| 12:04.17 | segfault- | OpenTokix, you can, but i wouldn't recommand it to a newbie |
| 12:04.32 | OpenTokix | segfault-: why not? I wouldnt recommend software raid1 to a newbie either. |
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| 12:04.41 | DaemonDEB | anoHito: GRUB versions lower than 0.97 made incorrect assumptions about the state of the file system and grub-install could freeze |
| 12:04.41 | foetus | xoz: how should i do this? grepping directly is not my domain :) |
| 12:04.45 | OpenTokix | segfault-: but tsince this is what he want, I would go the full monty |
| 12:04.50 | cast | OpenTokix: gotta learn some how |
| 12:05.00 | DaemonDEB | even if it did install, the XFS superblock at the first sector of / could prevent it from booting |
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| 12:05.20 | segfault- | OpenTokix, i would actually consider a raid 10 set in his case |
| 12:05.39 | segfault- | ma3x, go read about it on wikipedia, then come back. |
| 12:05.45 | OpenTokix | segfault-: with two 80 and two 160? |
| 12:05.47 | cast | segfault-: surely it depends on use |
| 12:05.58 | ma3x | OpenTokix: ok, so first I create ext3 partition and then I select what? Use as: physcal volume for RAID? or for LVM? |
| 12:06.08 | segfault- | ma3x, go read. |
| 12:06.24 | OpenTokix | ma3x: no, its a quite complex thing you wanna do. |
| 12:06.25 | segfault- | fsck |
| 12:06.29 | luckylucy | apt-get wants me to insert a cd to install but i don't want to, i am over ssh, is there a way to tell it to skip and get from one of the sites in my file? |
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| 12:06.39 | segfault- | lenny is stupid, you can't use lenny if you have a 2.4 :D |
| 12:06.42 | xoz | foetus: i think the problem is the xargs... try -exec of find |
| 12:06.47 | OpenTokix | ma3x: 1. Raid (md0 and md1) - md0 is a raid1 with 2x 80G, md1 is a raid1 with 2x 160G |
| 12:06.48 | yfk | is it possible to implement a queue with a stack and O(1) additional memory ? |
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| 12:06.53 | anoHito | DaemonDEB, you seem you are into XFS very much :) |
| 12:06.59 | cast | luckylucy: i comment out the cd lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:07.06 | OpenTokix | ma3x: 2. lvm, you create two physical volumes - md0 and md1 |
| 12:07.10 | segfault- | xoz, foetus wait i got a find command in my bashrc that use xargs |
| 12:07.15 | cast | DaemonDEB: i had some XFS corruption 2 days ago! |
| 12:07.20 | DaemonDEB | I've come to like XFS |
| 12:07.24 | OpenTokix | ma3x: 3. create a volume group from your two phsycial volumes md0 amd md1, this will be vg0 |
| 12:07.28 | DaemonDEB | I've used it for several years |
| 12:07.41 | OpenTokix | 4. create logical volumes (lv's) in your volume group (vg0) for each partition. |
| 12:07.46 | luckylucy | cast, yeah, forgot to on this one, i need to either cancel to edit it, or tell it to skip for this, i don't know what will happen if i just close the terminal... |
| 12:08.03 | OpenTokix | 0. Create swap-space on each drive (kernel will handle load balancing, no reason to raid the swap) |
| 12:08.06 | luckylucy | cast: do you know how? |
| 12:08.12 | segfault- | xoz, foetus find / -name $cmp -print|xargs ls -altr |
| 12:08.12 | DaemonDEB | cast: xfs does a fsck on boot, it only takes a second or two |
| 12:08.19 | cast | luckylucy: hit ctrl-c, do it, |
| 12:08.33 | DaemonDEB | xfs_check and xfs_repair can be ran but the volume has to be offlined |
| 12:08.51 | DaemonDEB | most minor errors are self-correcting |
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| 12:10.04 | foetus | segfault-: thanks, i will prepare it |
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| 12:10.29 | mahonez_ | http://webdominanz.com/ |
| 12:10.31 | mahonez_ | check this |
| 12:10.40 | liable | go away spammer |
| 12:10.56 | segfault- | !k mahonez_ |
| 12:11.16 | segfault- | grmbl ? |
| 12:11.21 | segfault- | no requests to ops :( |
| 12:11.40 | mahonez_ | http://pkw-kaufen.com/ |
| 12:11.48 | segfault- | DaemonDEB, xfz is the devil. |
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| 12:11.52 | segfault- | !kick mahonez_ |
| 12:11.52 | dpkg | kicks mahonez_ in the crotch. |
| 12:11.56 | segfault- | !kick mahonez_ |
| 12:12.01 | segfault- | haha |
| 12:12.01 | avu | !ops mahonez_ spamming |
| 12:12.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: avu complains about: mahonez_ spamming |
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| 12:12.07 | avu | segfault-, stop that |
| 12:12.12 | segfault- | <dpkg> Someone already said that 4 seconds ago |
| 12:12.17 | segfault- | haha |
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| 12:12.54 | DaemonDEB | I would not use Ext3 |
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| 12:13.07 | foetus | no, find / -name $cmp -print|xargs ls -altr is not, what i need. |
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| 12:13.34 | petemc | DaemonDEB: ext3 is a great filesystem |
| 12:13.39 | abrotman | wonders which planet segfault- is from ... |
| 12:14.08 | DaemonDEB | meh |
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| 12:14.35 | foetus | i must do a find with reading out filetype.. |
| 12:14.44 | petemc | those kernel devs, and the people who choose the default fs for distributions - clueless all of them... |
| 12:15.12 | foetus | this is the reason for the "xargs file" |
| 12:15.30 | abrotman | foetus: what are you trying to do? |
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| 12:15.59 | abrotman | foetus: and i see your original question, but i mean, what are you really trying to do |
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| 12:17.05 | foetus | abrotman: hi -- i must identify two types of files (executable ELF and shared object ELF) out of a filesystem. |
| 12:17.14 | OpenTokix | petemc: I have seen very little performance gains from xfs over ext3 on my systems. |
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| 12:17.37 | abrotman | foetus: for all files? |
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| 12:17.55 | enouf | objdump? readelf? while loop the sucker using /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin as search paths? :-P |
| 12:18.33 | CoolCold | anoHito: erm..which stuff? |
| 12:18.58 | foetus | abrotman: yes. he must filter out libs and executables. |
| 12:19.17 | CoolCold | anoHito: u mean this http://paste.org.ru/?fombfx ? |
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| 12:21.23 | abrotman | foetus: find + file ? |
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| 12:22.37 | enouf | ~$ less /usr/bin/chkdupexe is a pretty cool perl script, nice $exedirectories= anyways .. not what he wants/needs, but...meh |
| 12:22.37 | apt | enouf: okay |
| 12:22.44 | enouf | bah |
| 12:22.59 | enouf | apt: forget ~$ less /usr/bin/chkdupexe |
| 12:22.59 | apt | i didn't have anything called '~$ less /usr/bin/chkdupexe' to forget, enouf |
| 12:23.06 | enouf | apt: forget $ less /usr/bin/chkdupexe |
| 12:23.06 | apt | enouf: i forgot $ less /usr/bin/chkdupexe |
| 12:23.12 | abrotman | uhoh .. he broke it |
| 12:23.19 | enouf | ... again .. |
| 12:23.33 | abrotman | enouf: don't worry .. i'll take care of that for you :) |
| 12:23.33 | ma3x | OpenTokix: thanks a lot for your help |
| 12:23.37 | foetus | abrotman: yes. as i said before, this is not efficient. xargs filters out the filetype. slow. |
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| 12:23.57 | abrotman | enouf: oh you got it |
| 12:24.05 | enouf | yep |
| 12:24.05 | lymeca | segfault-: You were mistaken. You don't need to hack the tty, you need to uncomment the line "user_allow_other" in /etc/fuse.conf and then use the -o allow_other switch during the sshfs mount. |
| 12:24.16 | abrotman | foetus: uhm .. how does xargs filter out filetype ? |
| 12:24.36 | abrotman | !lymeca++ |
| 12:24.39 | abrotman | reading docs is good :) |
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| 12:24.49 | lymeca | Yeah that took me a while to find out. |
| 12:25.08 | lymeca | But now that knowledge will likely stick, so it's worth it. |
| 12:25.14 | OpenTokix | ma3x: np |
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| 12:26.12 | foetus | abrotman: but it works - find * -type f | xargs file | grep ELF | grep 'shared object' | cut -d: -f1 --very slowly |
| 12:26.23 | Thundering_somet | is Back from (auto-away after 2hrs of inactivity) - (Gone: 34mins 19secs) |
| 12:26.33 | valdyn | foetus: its not xargs that is slow |
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| 12:27.02 | ascent | after upgrading from etch to lenny, it seems that sda and sdc (3ware raid and a seperate terabtyte disc) seem to swap names whenever I reboot |
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| 12:27.14 | ascent | How cna I prevent that? |
| 12:27.23 | ascent | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.28 | valdyn | foetus: find -exec file '{}' ';' is probably faster, but thats not going to make the "file" command fast either |
| 12:27.31 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/41787 |
| 12:27.32 | abrotman | foetus: uhm .. you mean grep filters them |
| 12:27.36 | ascent | and when I change sda to sdc in fstab, and reboot, it's just the other way around |
| 12:27.38 | enouf | foetus: look at using possibly "find... -exec file {} + | grep ELF .... " maybe ? |
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| 12:28.34 | stew | ascent: use UUIDs in fstab / grub instead of sda/sdc. so in stead of "/dev/sda1" use something like "UUID=1234-11234" you can discover the UUIDs by "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" |
| 12:28.51 | rossMoHaX | how to add CA cert to gnutls trusted certs |
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| 12:28.57 | foetus | enouf: ah -- it looks interesting. lets prepare it. |
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| 12:29.01 | enouf | foetus: the {} should be '{}' as in valdyn 's example, at the least (for safety) i guess |
| 12:29.28 | foetus | enouf: yes, should be. |
| 12:29.34 | lymeca | I log in as username 'bob' and run sshfs to mount to a directory owned by bob:bob with chmod at 770. Then, after sshfs mount, the ownership randomly switches to alice:alice at chmod 755. |
| 12:29.36 | lymeca | What gives? |
| 12:29.37 | segfault- | lymeca, then what is fuse ? :) |
| 12:29.38 | ascent | stew: I understand however for instance smartctl (Smartmontools) doesn't support uuids afaik.. and it's still weird to me that they changve names every reboot. |
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| 12:30.05 | valdyn | foetus: in your example you probably have some more information that you can use to make search faster and avoid using file for most files |
| 12:30.07 | ascent | stew: I've read http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#device-reorder but it still strikes me as "weird" and "strange" :) |
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| 12:30.32 | valdyn | foetus: if you dont, touch look, -exec wont do much |
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| 12:30.42 | valdyn | foetus: if you dont, tough luck, -exec wont do much |
| 12:30.43 | ascent | stew: I can live with the fact they are out of order after upgrade, but not after every reboot :) |
| 12:31.31 | foetus | enouf: youre the master, im the apprentice :) it works. |
| 12:32.07 | foetus | enouf: four times faster. |
| 12:32.09 | scif0n | everyone is an apprentice u can't master it all ;> |
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| 12:32.28 | valdyn | foetus: your stuff is cached now |
| 12:32.38 | segfault- | scif0n, wrong. |
| 12:32.41 | segfault- | there is gurus |
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| 12:32.51 | abrotman | are gurus |
| 12:32.51 | muddd | Mmm gurus |
| 12:32.54 | foetus | enouf, abrotman, segfault-: thanks. |
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| 12:33.48 | stew | ascent: smartctl would work with '/dev/disk/by-uuid/whatever' |
| 12:33.59 | ascent | stew: but, I'm gonna try to use initramtools to force the order of those.. |
| 12:34.03 | stew | ascent: you could write udev rules to create your own /dev entries if you like |
| 12:34.07 | ascent | I think my 3ware driver should be loaded first. |
| 12:34.18 | ascent | ascent:/etc/udev/rules.d# lsmod | egrep '^(sata_|3w_xxxx)' |
| 12:34.18 | ascent | sata_via 13060 2 |
| 12:34.18 | ascent | 3w_xxxx 28064 2 |
| 12:34.18 | ascent | sata_promise 16516 2 |
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| 12:34.24 | ascent | sorry.... |
| 12:34.27 | ascent | well, anyway.. |
| 12:34.28 | muddd | its like watching a home run hit |
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| 12:34.31 | ascent | I'l see what I can do :) |
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| 12:35.17 | stew | ascent: you can affect the order they are loaded by editing /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and running "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" |
| 12:35.56 | ascent | stew: is that equivalent for update-initramfs -u -k all as the manual specifies ? |
| 12:36.13 | foetus | new line -- ' find * -exec file {} + | grep ELF | grep 'shared object' | cut -d: -f1 ' --works. |
| 12:36.17 | stew | ascent: yes |
| 12:36.24 | ascent | great. |
| 12:36.29 | stew | ascent: except it affects on kernel instead of all |
| 12:36.52 | ascent | stew: but it should cover my problem at least, I suppose. |
| 12:36.54 | foetus | and i see the libs. nice. |
| 12:36.58 | segfault- | foetus, where is your path ? |
| 12:37.23 | kunal113 | btw. theres no GUI interface for configuring internet connection on debai |
| 12:37.27 | kunal113 | debian |
| 12:37.28 | kunal113 | is there? |
| 12:37.48 | segfault- | o_O when installing a 2.6 kernel, i got that : W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/screen for module usbcore |
| 12:38.04 | segfault- | (about a few modules do that) |
| 12:38.13 | foetus | segfault-: . , but i don't like the leading slashes and points. |
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| 12:38.32 | mythomaniac | how can one get rid of pc speaker beeps? |
| 12:38.41 | segfault- | foetus, will you be working in a relative env ? |
| 12:38.45 | segfault- | mythomaniac, google. |
| 12:39.33 | mythomaniac | segfault-, wow thank you for expert advice, i'll make sure to call on you anytime i have a problem |
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| 12:39.58 | segfault- | mythomaniac, call me if you have a real problem ;) you pretty much have all the needed keywords to find the answer |
| 12:40.10 | mythomaniac | lol ok |
| 12:40.18 | enouf | foetus: glad to help - and even that i got it correct :-p "/msg dpkg using find" |
| 12:40.37 | segfault- | "remove internal speaker beeps AND debian " sound like a keyphrase |
| 12:40.52 | enouf | !bell |
| 12:40.53 | dpkg | "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module |
| 12:40.57 | foetus | like ./iptables/libipt_ECN.so , i need 'iptables/libipt_ECN.so' in this case. |
| 12:41.09 | foetus | its perfect. |
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| 12:42.49 | foetus | enouf: yes, you say it. but manpages are difficult to understand sometimes. but you're right. |
| 12:43.15 | segfault- | enouf, meep :( i wanted to brutalize someone lol |
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| 12:46.04 | riot | uh, inkscape in unstable uninstallable? Missing libpoppler3.. or is it my box? |
| 12:46.04 | abrotman | riot: it's entirely possible, it's called unstable for a reason |
| 12:46.04 | mythomaniac | segfault-, which is better then, to use the blacklist or to unload the driver from the kennel? |
| 12:46.07 | abrotman | mythomaniac: blacklist it |
| 12:46.14 | karme | is there a tool like mirrordir (not being buggy)? (or do you use tar/cpio/rsync to make "a real 1:1 copy" - including ownership/symlinks/hardlinks/sparse files ...)? |
| 12:46.15 | segfault- | mythomaniac, blacklist |
| 12:46.17 | abrotman | !tell mythomaniac about blacklist |
| 12:46.20 | abrotman | !tell mythomaniac about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 12:46.35 | mythomaniac | segfault-, ok cool |
| 12:46.43 | mythomaniac | segfault-, and thanks |
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| 12:47.03 | segfault- | yw |
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| 12:47.42 | stew | riot: yes, it look uninstallable because it depends on libpoppler3 and needs to be rebuilt against libpopplar4 |
| 12:47.47 | foetus | another question, what's better, using strip simply or with --strip-unneeded? |
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| 12:48.05 | enouf | foetus: i guess you could also look at man basename (more filtering though eh?) |
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| 12:48.14 | stew | riot: you might ask the maintainer if it should be binNMUed |
| 12:48.23 | stew | riot: or -release |
| 12:48.40 | riot | stew: hmm. |
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| 12:48.48 | segfault- | foetus, strip is enough. |
| 12:48.51 | riot | stew: i'm at work and don't really depend on it :/ |
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| 12:49.20 | enouf | foetus: long options vs their short/valid counterparts (that is; they must be valid) are just more comprehensive |
| 12:49.37 | enouf | when viewing ;-) |
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| 12:51.19 | foetus | segfault-: thats, why i've seen "do not apply strip, use strip --strip-unneeded" on shared libs, for example.. |
| 12:51.25 | enouf | stew: noticing your convo with ascent ; a question; do you know if 'blkid' would display all one would see in ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid (barring any stale symlinks there)? |
| 12:51.50 | foetus | segfault-: "you could break builds without" |
| 12:52.13 | segfault- | foetus, do as you want :) i got a crashed server there |
| 12:52.14 | foetus | segfault-: however.. |
| 12:52.24 | segfault- | however bybye :D |
| 12:52.39 | foetus | segfault-: :) |
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| 12:53.09 | enouf | stew: i'm asking you (et al) because i haven't tested on any lvm/mdadm/hardware raid setups (and i know you use atleast some/one of them) |
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| 12:53.40 | foetus | so lets work. |
| 12:54.26 | stew | enouf: i don't know |
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| 12:54.38 | enouf | stew: ok, fair enough - thanks |
| 12:54.39 | stew | enouf: blkid is the one who's name I can never remember |
| 12:54.47 | enouf | heh .. yeah |
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| 12:57.24 | kunal113 | hey how to control iwconfig? |
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| 12:57.49 | kunal113 | as in turn it on? |
| 12:58.02 | sveajobb | Hi, I'm on amd64 looking for a packet containing the 32-lib versions of libX11.6, anyone knows what to do? :) |
| 12:58.11 | segfault- | kunal113, you mean wlan0 ? |
| 12:58.26 | mrec | hi, does anyone know if inotify also works with eg. the proc filesystem? |
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| 12:59.10 | valdyn | sveajobb: ia32-libs is the package |
| 12:59.41 | sveajobb | valdyn, thanks a bunch! :) |
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| 13:03.19 | dirkson | Hello all. Just did an update on my blasted amd64 system. Only updated firefox, but now most apps I try to run complain "Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0"", and bits of them don't work. What's up? |
| 13:03.44 | DaemonDEB | did you replace shared libraries? |
| 13:03.45 | valdyn | dirkson: sure that was not just firefox that you update |
| 13:03.46 | valdyn | dirkson: sure that was not just firefox that you updated |
| 13:03.54 | dirkson | (After updating firefox I went ahead and updated the entire system, that didn't fix the problem. Uninstalled and reinstalled the nvidia driver in a couple different ways, that didn't solve the problem) |
| 13:04.03 | dirkson | valdyn: And whatever debian said needed to be updated with firefox. |
| 13:04.04 | DaemonDEB | omg |
| 13:04.07 | valdyn | dirkson: its not a problem |
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| 13:04.25 | dirkson | valdyn: Well, you SAY that, but half your software hasn't stopped working, now has it? |
| 13:04.29 | fas3r | how reduce avi size with ffmpeg ? |
| 13:04.37 | DaemonDEB | dirkson: And just where did you get these files? |
| 13:04.46 | valdyn | dirkson: xrandr has nothing to do with "half your software stopping" |
| 13:04.49 | dirkson | DaemonDEB: What files? |
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| 13:05.00 | DaemonDEB | the packages you installed |
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| 13:05.18 | valdyn | dirkson: which debian release did you partially upgrade to? |
| 13:05.21 | maxagaz | is it possible to know which user modified a file for the last time ? |
| 13:05.22 | DaemonDEB | nothing in Lenny should bork your system |
| 13:05.26 | dirkson | valdyn: My guess is that it does. Didn't have the error before, the software works. Have the error now, the software doesn't work. Correlation is not causation, but it's a pretty damn good place to start. |
| 13:05.42 | dirkson | valdyn: No idea. Was running lenny, still am running lenny. |
| 13:05.59 | valdyn | dirkson: what did you add to /etc/apt/sources.list to install firefox? |
| 13:06.01 | DaemonDEB | dirkson: You should not update software with lots of dependencies with packages outside your release |
| 13:06.04 | DaemonDEB | -ever- |
| 13:06.19 | dirkson | valdyn: Sorry, "Iceweasel", or whatever it's being called at the moment. |
| 13:06.40 | DaemonDEB | at the moment? That was 2006 |
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| 13:07.04 | valdyn | dirkson: same question: what did you add to /etc/apt/sources.list to upgrade iceweasel? |
| 13:07.22 | valdyn | dirkson: and if you didnt add anything, where did you get it and the other packages from? |
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| 13:08.52 | dirkson | valdyn: I guess you're right, I guess I added sid to the repo list for some reason. Probably while I was trying to get flash to work. I think I'm looking at reinstall time. I wanted to go back to x86, anyway, have NOT had good luck with amd64. |
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| 13:09.14 | DaemonDEB | dirkson: IceWeasel will have a lot of external dependencies because it uses the facilities provided by GNOME , so you really can't "just" upgrade IceWeasel, because it will depend on things from the newer Debian release |
| 13:09.23 | gmap | does iceweasel need networking enabled for it to load localhost sites? |
| 13:09.26 | dirkson | DaemonDEB: Alrighty |
| 13:09.27 | valdyn | dirkson: unfortunately debian dependencies are not good enough to automagically deal with mixed installs |
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| 13:10.08 | valdyn | dirkson: you still have several options: 1) downgrade, thats hard 2) upgrade whole system to squeeze, hope that works, 3) upgrade it all to sid 4) reinstall |
| 13:10.33 | DaemonDEB | valdyn: The only distributions that can deal with what he's getting at are source distros like Gentoo |
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| 13:10.48 | DaemonDEB | no binary package based system can really handle mixed installs well |
| 13:10.58 | DaemonDEB | and Gentoo will bring its own problems |
| 13:11.15 | dokma | hey guys. my machine won't boot the new kernel. just keeps reseting default kernel to 0 an booting the old one. |
| 13:11.21 | valdyn | DaemonDEB: i can mix just fine, but i do know how to find the precise isseus |
| 13:11.29 | valdyn | DaemonDEB: i think its probably similar in gentoo |
| 13:11.35 | dokma | are there any simple tricks for this one? |
| 13:11.42 | dirkson | DaemonDEB: Did gentoo. Didn't like gentoo. Crap kept breaking. I've had really good luck with x86 debian. Server runs on that, it's had a year of uptime, and always has the software I need. amd64 debian, though, I've not has such luck with.. |
| 13:12.12 | dirkson | valdyn: No chance an amd64-->x86 squeeze update would work, is there? I assume that's just asking too much magic out of apt. |
| 13:12.14 | DaemonDEB | dependencies realyl don't work the same way in a source distribution because it can merely rebuild dependencies as it needs to, you may end up with a lot of other things that need upgraded |
| 13:12.21 | DaemonDEB | but usually not a broken system |
| 13:12.28 | valdyn | dirkson: yea, you cant do that |
| 13:12.46 | valdyn | dirkson: i think its coincidence that just amd64 is breaking for you, its not at all more fragile than i386 |
| 13:12.53 | DaemonDEB | dirkson: I've used x86-64 Linux since the hardware was available |
| 13:12.56 | DaemonDEB | B-) |
| 13:13.06 | DaemonDEB | believe me, it's dead simple now |
| 13:13.10 | DaemonDEB | in comparison to 2004 |
| 13:13.31 | dirkson | DaemonDEB: I tried it back then too. It really hasn't improved a whole hell of a lot in my eyes. Flash was STILL a bugger to get working, and adobe bloody RELEASED a 64 bit flash. |
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| 13:13.45 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 13:13.45 | dpkg | i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze> |
| 13:13.48 | DaemonDEB | apt-get install iaa32-libs |
| 13:13.54 | DaemonDEB | ia32-libs even |
| 13:14.03 | valdyn | dirkson: flash to get to work is just a matter of adding dmm and running aptitude install flashplugin-mozilla |
| 13:14.15 | DaemonDEB | well, Debian's kernel even supports 32-bit a.out |
| 13:14.16 | valdyn | dirkson: thats the same procedure as on i386 |
| 13:14.20 | DaemonDEB | that's pretty ancient |
| 13:14.30 | dirkson | valdyn: Yeah, it's working now. Or was a while back. |
| 13:14.32 | DaemonDEB | so I doubt you're running into any compatibility issues |
| 13:16.02 | DaemonDEB | valdyn: I just use 64-bit flash |
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| 13:16.13 | DaemonDEB | nspluginwrapper does do some annoying things |
| 13:16.18 | DaemonDEB | but it's never been major |
| 13:16.23 | DaemonDEB | so I just avoid it |
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| 13:16.33 | valdyn | 64-bit flash works better but is not packaged afaik |
| 13:16.41 | DaemonDEB | who needs a package? |
| 13:16.44 | valdyn | small difference though |
| 13:16.45 | DaemonDEB | it's ONE file? lol |
| 13:16.47 | dirkson | tried to weigh laziness against really wanting to switch to x86. He would have to reboot the computer, and find the working CDrom burner, and download debian, and burn debian, and reboot the computer, and go through the tedious install process, and hook up /home again... Or he can edit /etc/apt/sources.list, mash "Apt-get whatevercommandinstallssqueeze" and hope that makes his crap work. |
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| 13:17.13 | valdyn | DaemonDEB: upgrade the whole system to squeeze |
| 13:17.17 | valdyn | dirkson: ^^ |
| 13:17.27 | valdyn | dirkson: thats few work |
| 13:17.40 | stew | judd: depends flashplugin-nonfree --release unstable --arch amd64 |
| 13:17.40 | judd | stew: flashplugin-nonfree -- Depends: debconf | debconf-2.0, wget, gnupg, libatk1.0-0, libcairo2, libfontconfig1, libfreetype6, libgcc1, libglib2.0-0, libgtk2.0-0, libnspr4-0d, libnss3-1d, libpango1.0-0, libstdc++6, libx11-6, libxext6, libxt6, libcurl3-gnutls |
| 13:17.51 | stew | no dependency on nspluginwrapper anymore |
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| 13:18.04 | dirkson | valdyn: Yeah. Laziness is winning out over what I SHOULD do. Again. Maybe I should just forget making this work and go play TF2. That would be even more lazy. |
| 13:18.18 | valdyn | judd: depends flashplayer-mozilla --release unstable --arch amd64 |
| 13:18.32 | valdyn | stew: judd has dmm right? |
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| 13:18.44 | stew | judd: depends flashplayer-mozilla --release multimedia-sid --arch amd64 |
| 13:18.52 | valdyn | ah, thanks |
| 13:19.05 | stew | judd: depends flashplayer-mozilla --release sid-multimedia --arch amd64 |
| 13:19.06 | judd | stew: flashplayer-mozilla -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libx11-6, libxext6, iceweasel | www-browser, nspluginwrapper, ia32-libs-libcurl3, ia32-libs-libnss3, libcurl3, lib32nss-mdns |
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| 13:19.32 | lymeca | I'm trying to share an sshfs mount between 2 users on a 10+ user system. I have found the -o allow_other switch, but it allows ALL users on the system FULL access to the mount. Without it though, EVERY other user is cut out from the mount, even if they are in the group specified by the -o gid=1000 switch. How can I selectively share an sshfs mount? |
| 13:19.44 | DaemonDEB | tar -xjf libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz && su -c 'cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins' |
| 13:19.49 | ascent | hmmm apt pinning.. I've got lenny and lennybackups, gave lenny prio 600 and lennybackports prio 550.. but still it wants to update nmap to bpo instead of just leaving it.. |
| 13:19.54 | ascent | how can I fix that? |
| 13:19.57 | DaemonDEB | simple.... |
| 13:19.59 | DaemonDEB | :P |
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| 13:22.39 | DaemonDEB | valyn: 32-bit flash means you get a bunch of 32-bit crap all over your system you don't really need, and a buggy flash player |
| 13:22.49 | DaemonDEB | 64-bit Flash is two commands to install |
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| 13:23.30 | cast | adobe flash has numerous security issues, fuck it. |
| 13:23.53 | kunal113 | so cast. we dont install adobe flash? |
| 13:24.00 | DaemonDEB | GNASH and Swfdec are too incomplete/buggy |
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| 13:24.09 | cast | indeed. this is debian the *free* OS. |
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| 13:24.22 | kunal113 | cast: so how to watch youtube? |
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| 13:24.52 | cast | youtube-dl, is how i do. other methods exist |
| 13:24.54 | DaemonDEB | cast: the FSF does not recognize Debian as a free distribution |
| 13:24.57 | DaemonDEB | B-) |
| 13:25.05 | enouf | youtube script is how i do it |
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| 13:25.14 | DaemonDEB | but Debian and Fedora are closer than many |
| 13:25.17 | kunal113 | what copy it and download it? |
| 13:25.24 | dirkson | My box is sitting here, "converting" things. What does that mean? |
| 13:25.38 | enouf | i don't use bloated browsers and their plugins ... |
| 13:25.43 | flower | how can I see which partitions I have? |
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| 13:26.08 | enouf | (not entirely true, since i just created a new gmail account :-\) |
| 13:26.21 | enouf | flower: fdisk -l |
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| 13:26.29 | enouf | flower: cat /proc/partitions |
| 13:26.39 | luckylucy | hello, i am trying to fix some network problems, i have set the 3 linux servers to mydomain.com as their domain, but i cannot join our xp laptops / workstations to the domain b/c there is no pdc. i know samba can do this, but is it necessary just to join? |
| 13:26.45 | DaemonDEB | cast: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/common-distros.html |
| 13:26.50 | gmap | i made a debian live img by following the http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/HowTo/LAMP but localhost is not found when trying to visit it with iceweasel. Does networking need to be enabled for this work? |
| 13:26.55 | DaemonDEB | They explain why they consider Debian non-free |
| 13:26.57 | dirkson | valdyn: My box is sitting here, "converting" packages, and taking a LONG time to do each one. What does that mean? I just told it to update, not upgrade. |
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| 13:27.16 | valdyn | dirkson: update does not convert anything |
| 13:27.53 | ubd | how do i disable x start |
| 13:27.57 | valdyn | !paste |
| 13:27.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 13:27.57 | valdyn | !nodm |
| 13:27.58 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
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| 13:28.02 | valdyn | ubd: ^^ |
| 13:28.06 | enouf | basically, i loathe the idea of binary blobs (SWF, ActiveX, etc) whizzing around all over the machine, doing as they please, and us not being able to know what it is they are doing ... it's like the TARP / AIG bailout! :-P |
| 13:28.27 | ubd | i dont want window manager valdyn |
| 13:28.47 | ubd | (to start) |
| 13:28.47 | valdyn | ubd: read again, i see no window manager mentioned anywhere |
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| 13:28.51 | DaemonDEB | I have Nvidia and ralink firmware |
| 13:28.58 | DaemonDEB | I stripped out the rest |
| 13:29.02 | ubd | ' say now |
| 13:29.03 | dirkson | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m2e663e86 |
| 13:29.12 | enouf | keep going - pretty soon, you'll have a full blown Windows installation |
| 13:29.15 | ubd | fuk'n jeyboad |
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| 13:29.26 | enouf | heck Gnome even has a registry |
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| 13:29.32 | DaemonDEB | well, if the system doesn't work, why have one? |
| 13:29.47 | ubd | how do i disable the windows manager start auto |
| 13:29.47 | enouf | 'system' .. heh |
| 13:29.49 | DaemonDEB | I'm not trying to maximize the amount of blobs I have |
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| 13:30.33 | enouf | DaemonDEB: if you use watch SWF you haven't finished stripping |
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| 13:30.48 | dokma | anyone knows if ulimit -c unlimited is permanent across reboots ? |
| 13:30.49 | valdyn | dirkson: is this from apt-build or something? i havent seen it |
| 13:30.49 | dirkson | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m2e663e86 - It's converting things, though. |
| 13:30.59 | dirkson | valdyn: That's from apt-get update. |
| 13:31.06 | DaemonDEB | so with no internet, no video acceleration, no media capabilities |
| 13:31.14 | valdyn | dirkson: yea, but you must have installed some addition to apt-get that i know nothing about |
| 13:31.23 | DaemonDEB | I may as well just remove the OS and watch the system hum and burn electricity |
| 13:31.30 | enouf | DaemonDEB: and we're all to blame ... like it? |
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| 13:32.25 | DaemonDEB | I'm not a zealot, if there's a free driver that works, I'll use it |
| 13:32.26 | valdyn | dirkson: why do you seem to have only deb-src lines but no deb line? |
| 13:33.10 | DaemonDEB | but Nvidia won't just open everything up because I use NV or Nouveau |
| 13:33.18 | DaemonDEB | it would be foolish to think that |
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| 13:33.34 | enouf | DaemonDEB: right, "free" will always trump quality, security and general commonwealth good - capitalism at it's best - but i'll stop now .. too OT |
| 13:34.24 | DaemonDEB | well, the transition from Windows to Linux+ a couple drivers is the difference between a 99.9% proprietary system |
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| 13:34.29 | DaemonDEB | and a 99.9% Free one |
| 13:34.29 | dirkson | valdyn: I fixed it. ia32-apt-get. Probably another attempt at making flash work. I had a hell of a time, I tell you. |
| 13:34.39 | lymeca | DaemonDEB: I found hardware solutions that provided good performance with Free drivers. Try Atheros wireless cards, free 802.11n with ath9k driver. And r500-series ATI GPUs can have Free 3-D accel with the radeon driver. |
| 13:35.03 | lymeca | My motherboard is even coreboot compatible! |
| 13:35.14 | DaemonDEB | enouf: Free software only zealots are the kind that would turn down a car that got rid of 99.9% of the emissions |
| 13:35.18 | DaemonDEB | that's my take |
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| 13:36.24 | valdyn | now if ati also had free video accel |
| 13:36.32 | DaemonDEB | they do |
| 13:36.36 | AussieGuy | is there any way to make a multi-part zip archive, from the command line? |
| 13:36.39 | DaemonDEB | but it doesn't work in Debian |
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| 13:36.45 | lymeca | valdyn: They do, sort of. |
| 13:36.47 | AussieGuy | like part1.zip part2.zip etc |
| 13:36.52 | lymeca | The radeon driver is fast improving. |
| 13:37.00 | DaemonDEB | Compiz works with ATI's free driver on my laptop in Fedora |
| 13:37.00 | valdyn | lymeca: im not talking about 3D |
| 13:37.03 | DaemonDEB | but not in Debian |
| 13:37.09 | DaemonDEB | cause Fedora has the latest X |
| 13:37.10 | AussieGuy | took a look at the simple zip command's man page doesnt say anything about it |
| 13:37.19 | valdyn | lymeca: im talking about h.264 decoding |
| 13:37.30 | lymeca | valdyn: Oh I see. I'm sure once the Gallium switch happens there will be a VDPAU plugin to Gallium. |
| 13:37.46 | DaemonDEB | that's really the main reason my laptop has Fedora |
| 13:37.48 | lymeca | DaemonDEB: Debian has it, just not in stable. |
| 13:37.57 | DaemonDEB | I can run a totally free system with 3d acceleration too |
| 13:38.51 | DaemonDEB | Does the latest software matter? Only if that system has that hardware |
| 13:39.05 | DaemonDEB | My desktop won't have those features with free drivers no matter where I go |
| 13:39.05 | lymeca | minus the BIOS and Flash player and potentially wifi firmware... |
| 13:39.23 | valdyn | lymeca: every device has firmware |
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| 13:39.25 | enouf | lymeca: ^five |
| 13:39.31 | DaemonDEB | though Fedora 11 is moving in the right direction with regards to Nvidia |
| 13:39.34 | valdyn | lymeca: or is loadable firmware to be treated special? |
| 13:39.47 | DaemonDEB | dafaults to the latest Nouveau |
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| 13:40.05 | lymeca | valdyn: Yes it is, and on top of that non-free firmware in general, whether on device or not is negative. |
| 13:40.24 | DaemonDEB | if some distributions get behind Nouveau the sooner we can ditch the nvidia driver |
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| 13:40.58 | lymeca | Yeah Nouveau is shaping up, I don't know why distros don't use it over nv |
| 13:41.01 | lymeca | nv sucks. |
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| 13:41.22 | lymeca | Nouveau + radeon = hope |
| 13:41.34 | DaemonDEB | Nouveau isn't wonderful, but compared to NV it's a hell of a lot nicer |
| 13:41.43 | segfault- | lolll |
| 13:41.50 | DaemonDEB | you can actually start using *some* of the more advanced features of the card |
| 13:41.52 | segfault- | do you even know what nouveau means ? |
| 13:41.59 | lymeca | yes |
| 13:42.09 | segfault- | it means new |
| 13:42.09 | lymeca | I don't think it's worthy of lol either |
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| 13:42.13 | lymeca | Yeah I know |
| 13:42.28 | segfault- | it's worthy of laughing seeing strangers using it ooc |
| 13:42.34 | superjet_busy | nv|nouveau will cause video shift in linux/window box |
| 13:42.36 | DaemonDEB | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NouveauAsDefault |
| 13:42.53 | DaemonDEB | just some of the rationale behind Nouveau over NV |
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| 13:43.10 | DaemonDEB | has to be the Fedora site cause no other distro has stepped up to the plate yet |
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| 13:44.26 | valdyn | heh, nouveau even seem to have something that nvidia has not: proper randr support |
| 13:44.29 | DaemonDEB | It's a trade off, I really use Debian cause I can build my own kernels easily and the rest of the OS is well tested and stable and not moving rapidly |
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| 13:44.51 | enouf | DaemonDEB: to analyize your presumptive analogy; No, FLOSS promoters would be against having various types of Proprietary Electric Car Batteries, (so only BrandA can be recharged 'here', BrandB recharged only at those other places, and BrandC could be only recharged over 'there' |
| 13:45.04 | enouf | ) |
| 13:45.43 | DaemonDEB | no, the analogy would be such a vigilant environmentalist so as to refuse a car with 0.01% of the emissions |
| 13:45.49 | DaemonDEB | :) |
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| 13:46.35 | DaemonDEB | enouf: Apple is actually the ultimate black box, they're even less approachable than Microsoft |
| 13:46.36 | enouf | it's basically the 'allowance' of breakage of open standards usage (and the ignorant that support(ed) it) that really snowballed this crap, from already existing issues |
| 13:46.36 | DaemonDEB | :) |
| 13:46.37 | ubd | how do i get rid of shadow passwd thing |
| 13:47.16 | cast | ubd: why? |
| 13:47.41 | DaemonDEB | HAH! Newegg screwed up |
| 13:47.50 | DaemonDEB | gave me 2nd day instead of 3 day ground B-) |
| 13:47.52 | ubd | cuz they remind me of my parents which died yesterday in a car crash |
| 13:48.00 | ubd | sufficient reason? |
| 13:48.03 | valdyn | ubd: no |
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| 13:48.51 | enouf | DaemonDEB: they usually do - they're good like that |
| 13:49.00 | kunal | sorry. heftig: have you done wireless set ups? |
| 13:49.03 | enouf | DaemonDEB: you're likely near east/west coast |
| 13:49.10 | DaemonDEB | Indian |
| 13:49.13 | DaemonDEB | *Indiana |
| 13:49.33 | enouf | well, their main warehouses used to be in NJ and CA |
| 13:49.34 | pngwn | ubd, didn't get the answer you liked on the other network? |
| 13:49.41 | ubd | nah |
| 13:49.49 | DaemonDEB | I got a new webcam |
| 13:49.50 | ubd | people answering by questions |
| 13:49.52 | kunal | hey. does debian need wpa supplicant to get wirless? |
| 13:49.57 | enouf | DaemonDEB: thank goodness the erie canal was dug eh? :-P |
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| 13:50.03 | dondelelcaro | kunal: no |
| 13:50.03 | kunal | my connection is wpa protected? |
| 13:50.03 | DaemonDEB | made sure it was UVC compliant so it can work with the GSPCA v2 driver |
| 13:50.07 | kunal | oh thanks!!! |
| 13:50.21 | dondelelcaro | kunal: you need it if you're using wpa, but it's not necessary otherwise. |
| 13:50.33 | kunal | ok. so i need it. who doesnt use wpa protection? |
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| 13:50.39 | kunal | everyone does. |
| 13:50.39 | DaemonDEB | the kernel in Debian is actually the last kernel that supports the old out of tree driver |
| 13:50.46 | dondelelcaro | kunal: uh... lots of networks don't use wpa |
| 13:50.51 | DaemonDEB | so if you build anything newer you need new hardware |
| 13:50.53 | DaemonDEB | :P |
| 13:51.00 | valdyn | ubd: if you think that getting rid of /etc/shadow would solve anything, you're mistaken |
| 13:51.04 | enouf | kunal: people that still are ignorant? .. and those that use WEP and even none? |
| 13:51.05 | kunal | dondelelcaro: then what WPA? |
| 13:51.07 | ubd | looks like i have to ask freebsd guys again |
| 13:51.15 | kunal | WEP isnt as good as WPA |
| 13:51.27 | DaemonDEB | WEP is worthless |
| 13:51.28 | dondelelcaro | kunal: there are lots of networks which don't use WEP either. |
| 13:51.30 | kunal | yes. |
| 13:51.39 | valdyn | damn, i use "none" intentionally =/ |
| 13:51.41 | DaemonDEB | any kid with a laptop and Ubuntu can h4x0r you in less than a minute |
| 13:51.42 | DaemonDEB | lol |
| 13:51.46 | kunal | anyways no need to argue on this matter. lets find solution. |
| 13:51.56 | kunal | where can i get WPA installed in debian? |
| 13:52.00 | luckylucy | what system requirements should i have to run a samba as a domain controller? i have 10 clients, and 3 file servers and right now a windows server doing the domain control. |
| 13:52.01 | kunal | or how? |
| 13:52.06 | DaemonDEB | kunal wpa supplicant? |
| 13:52.08 | valdyn | !wpa |
| 13:52.08 | dpkg | from memory, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 13:52.09 | DaemonDEB | should be installed |
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| 13:52.23 | kunal | ok. so i have to get apt |
| 13:52.27 | kunal | ok. say that na. |
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| 13:52.44 | snowhaze | dondelelcaro: can you give me a quick hint.. Im on the debian machine now, remember I tried to get awesome running over ssh - for now I am here and got the 2 packages you told me to get |
| 13:53.14 | dondelelcaro | snowhaze: wait, you're not on the machine with the X server? |
| 13:53.15 | snowhaze | however I dont know how I can connect awesome and its libraries |
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| 13:53.26 | taz0 | hi, today i got, Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 13:53.27 | valdyn | always funny how people completely fuck up their systems in order to fix something small |
| 13:53.42 | taz0 | im guessing the superblock is corrupt |
| 13:53.46 | snowhaze | dondelelcaro: Im in X now :D |
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| 13:53.59 | snowhaze | but no awesome yet ... yelling ./awesome: error while loading shared libraries: libconfuse.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:54.01 | dondelelcaro | snowhaze: there's pretty much no point in running a WM on a machine that isn't the machine running X. |
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| 13:54.36 | dondelelcaro | snowhaze: but in any event, the way you do it is by setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH appropriately so the libraries can be found. ala LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/libconfuse ./awesome |
| 13:54.52 | snowhaze | huh?? I am at a machine where Im running X... I just cant get awesome to run |
| 13:54.53 | snowhaze | aawhhh |
| 13:54.55 | snowhaze | thanx alot :D |
| 13:54.57 | DaemonDEB | oddly, the internap mirror is faster than Indiana University or Purdue University for me |
| 13:55.03 | DaemonDEB | hmmmm |
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| 13:55.25 | dondelelcaro | snowhaze: then "I tried to get awesome running over ssh" doesn't make much sense |
| 13:55.36 | taz0 | anybody good with corrupted SD cards? |
| 13:55.40 | snowhaze | wahh.. s/running/installed |
| 13:55.41 | snowhaze | then :D |
| 13:55.55 | segfault- | dondelelcaro, too much tequila ? |
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| 13:57.26 | taz0 | does anybody know how to retreive a text document from a broken sd card? |
| 13:57.30 | taz0 | corrupted patition |
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| 13:58.34 | dondelelcaro | segfault-: ? |
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| 13:58.55 | segfault- | dondelelcaro, nvm.. |
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| 13:59.07 | cast | taz0: step 1: clone the drive |
| 13:59.25 | taz0 | cast: ok? the partition? |
| 13:59.28 | cast | taz0: use dd, dd_rescue, cat >, whatever |
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| 13:59.52 | cast | taz0: sure, just the partition if you'd like |
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| 14:00.16 | taz0 | cast: could you explain to me the commands a little |
| 14:00.24 | taz0 | should i dd the partition |
| 14:00.30 | taz0 | then run dd_rescue on it? |
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| 14:00.40 | dirkson | UGH |
| 14:00.43 | cast | no, pick either dd or dd_rescue |
| 14:00.44 | dirkson | Cannot use computer. |
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| 14:01.08 | taz0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:01.17 | dirkson | Ok. Upgrading Debian has made debian downgrade awesome from 2.3 to 3.0. How do I tell debian to NEVER, EVER install any of the awesome 3.X series? |
| 14:01.36 | taz0 | crap |
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| 14:01.44 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: huh? awesome 3.2 is newer than aweesome 2.3 |
| 14:01.45 | taz0 | my disksize is too small |
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| 14:02.06 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: if you don't want aweeome 3.2, put awesome on hold |
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| 14:02.20 | ronr | hi, I'm setting up a new system with two 500G sata disks I want to use in striping raid, in the bios I've setup these two in a raid array, but the partitioner in the install process recognizes two seperate drives, is that right? |
| 14:02.21 | liable | thats what the girls tell me too! |
| 14:02.41 | cast | taz0: use man strings, then |
| 14:02.48 | taz0 | cast: dd: /dev/mmcblk0p2: Input/output error |
| 14:02.56 | dondelelcaro | ronr: that's because you've got software raid. Use the linux kernel's software raid, and configure raid0 |
| 14:02.59 | liable | ronr: if its fakeraid, yes |
| 14:03.06 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: 3.2 requires me to learn a new programming language, and tell me to not use the software if I don't wish to do that. Since this is such a massive bug in my eyes, I can't consider 3.2 better software. It's an upgrade on 2.3 only in the way that Vista is an upgrade on winxp. |
| 14:03.24 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: But more importantly, how do I put it on hold? |
| 14:03.28 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: then use awesome 2.3. It's not like lua is complicated |
| 14:03.35 | dondelelcaro | !tell dirkson -about hold |
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| 14:03.58 | taz0 | cast: i dont think dd will work |
| 14:04.12 | ronr | dondelelcaro: could you point me to a howto? 'configure raid0'? can I do this during the install? |
| 14:04.15 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: Complicated enough. I can do C, bash, and python passably, in varying degrees, but I start looking at how the keybindings are defined for awesome 3 and I throw up my hands in frustration. |
| 14:04.21 | cast | taz0: if you can't managed to read anything from the block device, then i think its over |
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| 14:04.51 | liable | ronr: its in the installation guide. it can be a bit confusing though, so be sure to read it right and be patient |
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| 14:05.28 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: it's just a table in lua that you insert the output of the key() function into, and call root.keys() to set |
| 14:05.34 | ronr | liable: ok, thx, I'll go and read it |
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| 14:05.38 | taz0 | cast: even if i only need one text document? |
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| 14:06.21 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: And have every single time, of the 4-5 times I've TRIED to switch. Awesome is marching off into oblivion, I hope someone branches 2.3 or makes a new tiling wm before mine is completely obsolete. |
| 14:06.32 | andres833 | dpkg, hi |
| 14:06.32 | dpkg | salut, andres833 |
| 14:06.51 | andres833 | dpkg, what happend? |
| 14:06.52 | dpkg | andres833: wish i knew |
| 14:06.56 | cast | taz0: if you can't find a way to get bytes off the drive [dd_rescue will be more resilient than dd in regards to errors] then what can you do |
| 14:06.57 | abrotman | andres833: dpkg is a bot |
| 14:07.26 | taz0 | cast: why cant i get the bytes off the disk |
| 14:07.34 | taz0 | cast: because the index is broken i assume |
| 14:07.35 | andres833 | abrotman, what? |
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| 14:08.00 | cast | taz0: don't know bro. i presume fucked HW is related. |
| 14:08.01 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: *shrug* it's not terribly complicated, but if you've made up your mind, that's that. I rather doubt that you'll find someone who is capable of maintaining a fork of awesome who actually finds lua so offensive as to not want to use it |
| 14:08.25 | taz0 | cast: i dont think so, its just a sd card, i am quite sure if i format it, itll work |
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| 14:08.34 | taz0 | cast: i appriciate your help thanks |
| 14:08.38 | dondelelcaro | (especially as a huge number of awesome users are former ion users, which (surprise, surprise) uses lua for controlling the WM) |
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| 14:09.07 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: Well, I suppose I could. Seems like a lot of effort, but then, learning how to code lua seems like a lot of effort. Perhaps someday I'll get off my ass and just code my own bloody window manager. None of them do it right yet. |
| 14:09.16 | cast | taz0: if you can't dd from a device, i'm skeptical that you can mkfs on that device, and have everything fixed |
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| 14:09.43 | taz0 | oh |
| 14:10.05 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: I'm having a bit of trouble with this hold thing. I can't figure out how to specify a version, just a package. |
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| 14:11.17 | denysonique2 | Hi |
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| 14:12.17 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: it holds the version currently installed |
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| 14:12.28 | morex | Sorry to have to ask about this, but I'm at my wit's end... |
| 14:12.33 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: and you don't really need to know how to code lua |
| 14:12.33 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: Well, then, how do I install a different version? |
| 14:12.34 | omid8bimo | any could have installed Adbobe Air on lenny amd64? |
| 14:12.48 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: man aptitude or man apt-get; and read about the = option to install |
| 14:12.49 | morex | I have a server running stable, and when I do date I get Wed Mar 18 15:12:43 BST 2009 |
| 14:13.02 | morex | I should be getting Wed Mar 18 14:12:12 GMT 2009 |
| 14:13.18 | denysonique2 | I have a Samsung R510 laptop with the 2.6.28-13 kernel my graphic card is an intel G45, has anyone managed to the backlight controll working on simmiliar hardware? |
| 14:13.20 | morex | and it's messing up all my file mod timestamps |
| 14:13.31 | denysonique2 | s/the/get the/ |
| 14:13.33 | morex | Any idea where this is set? It's not BST yet in the UK |
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| 14:13.57 | kunal | apt-get wpasupplicant |
| 14:13.57 | denysonique2 | morex: use ntp |
| 14:14.08 | morex | I already do |
| 14:14.18 | morex | The problem is Debian thinks it's Summer Time |
| 14:14.20 | taz0 | cast: i get /dev/mmcblk0p2: Input/output error mount: /dev/mmcblk0p2: can't read superblock now after i rebooted the machine |
| 14:14.20 | dondelelcaro | morex: assuming ntp -u; is returning the proper time, it's a setting in the zoneinfo files |
| 14:14.21 | morex | when it's not... |
| 14:14.31 | dondelelcaro | s/ntp/date/ |
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| 14:14.55 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: Ok. Got that much. Now how do I find out which versions are available? The place I'd normally check (packages.debian.org) only appears to list the most current. |
| 14:15.02 | omid8bimo | when i try to install Adbobe AIR i get this error Error loading the runtime (libnss3.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64) |
| 14:15.05 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: Or I'm looking in the wrong spot |
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| 14:15.09 | dondelelcaro | morex: err, tzdata, not zoneinfo. |
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| 14:17.05 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: pdo only lists the most recent versions, because that's all that in the archives. snapshot.debian.net has older versions. [Though, in the case of awesome, an older version is in stable.] |
| 14:17.52 | andres833 | abrotman, hi |
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| 14:18.12 | dirkson | finds another thing about debian he doesn't much like. |
| 14:18.15 | morex | Dondelelcaro: Any idea where they might be? |
| 14:18.27 | dondelelcaro | morex: it's in tzdata. what version of tzdata is installed on that machine? |
| 14:18.43 | morex | ii tzdata 2008h-2 time zone and daylight-saving time data |
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| 14:19.08 | Kuifje111 | hello all |
| 14:19.17 | abrotman | andres833: i am not a bot |
| 14:19.29 | denysonique2 | how can I adjust monitor settings using some gnome gui tool? |
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| 14:19.41 | abrotman | grandr ? |
| 14:19.42 | Kuifje111 | when i use aptitude search <app> it gives me a list of the found applications, but it doesnt show the version of the app. how do i view the version of the application? |
| 14:19.59 | abrotman | denysonique2: if you look in the System->Preferences .. should be a monitor/screen applet |
| 14:20.04 | morex | Which is the Lenny version |
| 14:20.14 | abrotman | 5.0.0 |
| 14:20.25 | andres833 | abrotman, jejeje excuse me ;) |
| 14:20.31 | wirry | do the newest netinstall-images support wpa2? |
| 14:21.00 | denysonique2 | abrotman: thanks I am installing it now :) |
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| 14:23.58 | dondelelcaro | morex: and what's in /etc/timezone, and what does zdump /etc/localtime; output? |
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| 14:24.19 | morex | zdump /etc/locatime |
| 14:24.19 | morex | /etc/locatime Wed Mar 18 14:24:12 2009 UTC |
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| 14:24.42 | morex | Soeey |
| 14:24.43 | denysonique2 | abrotman: but this doesn't have options for adjusting colours |
| 14:24.44 | morex | Sorry |
| 14:24.50 | morex | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.50 | morex | /etc/localtime Wed Mar 18 14:24:33 2009 GMT |
| 14:25.00 | morex | That's correct |
| 14:25.01 | dondelelcaro | morex: zdump -v /etc/localtime; rather |
| 14:25.17 | morex | Lots of output |
| 14:25.23 | segfault- | damn |
| 14:25.24 | dondelelcaro | morex: yeah, what's the line for 2009? |
| 14:25.35 | morphir | when I review the default xorg.conf, the resolution aren't specified there at all. |
| 14:25.50 | dondelelcaro | morex: because for a modern system, they shouldn't need to be specified |
| 14:26.14 | dondelelcaro | s/morex/morphir/ |
| 14:26.15 | morex | Sun Mar 29 01:00:00 2009 UTC = Sun Mar 29 02:00:00 2009 BST isdst=1 gmtoff=3600 |
| 14:26.33 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: My friend just pointed that in arguing between v2.3 and v3.2, we're just rehashing the old vi vs emacs argument- The emacs (3.2) people wonder why the vi (2.3) people don't want lua customization, and the vi people thing the emacs people are insane. (If I wanted to edit source code to make my WM/text editor behave differently, I would edit its source code.) |
| 14:26.38 | dirkson | *think |
| 14:26.49 | morex | and |
| 14:26.50 | segfault- | ok, does anyone remember me asking if it was possible to get a debootstrap env to erase my live system ? |
| 14:26.51 | morex | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.00 | morex | Sun Mar 29 00:59:59 2009 UTC = Sun Mar 29 00:59:59 2009 GMT isdst=0 gmtoff=0 |
| 14:27.01 | segfault- | i debootstrapped an env, and then tried to chroot in |
| 14:27.07 | segfault- | i got this message : FATAL: kernel too old |
| 14:27.10 | morphir | dondelelcaro: the problem is that my resolution is entirely wrong |
| 14:27.22 | segfault- | but i can't get a 2.6 installed :/ |
| 14:27.29 | dondelelcaro | morex: cool, that's right. so what's the contents of /etc/timezone, and env|grep TZ |
| 14:27.30 | segfault- | (it runs a 2.4) |
| 14:27.54 | morex | etc/timezone: Europe/London |
| 14:28.12 | BlueG | After adding new uids to my key using seahorse, when I try to sync with the server I get an error: Invalid key data (missing UIDs). This may be due to a computer with a date set in the future or a missing self-signature. |
| 14:28.14 | segfault- | any idea on what to do to fix that ? |
| 14:28.25 | morex | TZ=GMT0BST |
| 14:28.35 | dondelelcaro | morex: well, there you go. unset TZ |
| 14:28.36 | morex | On my other machine that works, there's no TZ environment variable... |
| 14:28.41 | omid8bimo | anyone? |
| 14:28.42 | segfault- | (i can't shutdown computer ..) |
| 14:28.43 | BlueG | However, my system clock seems to be accurate, and all uids are self-signed. |
| 14:28.44 | morex | Um, how do I do that globally? |
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| 14:29.08 | dondelelcaro | morex: figure out where you're setting it. It's not set by default. Odds are it's in your .bashrc or /etc/profile or /etc/environment or some other fille |
| 14:29.08 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: Anyway, I just thought that was a clever analogy on his part, wanted to share. Thanks for the help, I think I've got awesome stuck back to something I can deal with |
| 14:29.17 | omid8bim1 | when i try to install Adbobe AIR i get this error: Error loading the runtime (libnss3.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64) |
| 14:29.28 | morex | Got it |
| 14:29.53 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: well, it's not a particularly apt analogy, since vim has a far more complex set of configurations than you can possibly get with libconfuse, but it's your WM, you can deal with the ramifications of your decision. |
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| 14:30.27 | morex | Thanks Dondelelcaro, looks like that fixed it! |
| 14:30.37 | morex | I wonder how it got there... |
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| 14:30.40 | BlueG | What would cause Seahorse to fail exporting this key? |
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| 14:30.59 | dondelelcaro | (in fact, the very reason why the awesome author has that paragraph up is because he finds this conversation boring) |
| 14:31.27 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: Actually, that reminds me, I should complain at him again. |
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| 14:31.41 | segfault- | BlueG, what kind of key . |
| 14:31.42 | segfault- | ? |
| 14:31.47 | segfault- | gpg; ssl ? |
| 14:31.47 | morex | it was in /etc/environment |
| 14:31.47 | dirkson | is horrible that way. When he finds something he considers broken, he annoys people about it. |
| 14:32.17 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: why? the author of awesome is free to choose any method he wants. annoying him about it is useless. |
| 14:32.32 | dondelelcaro | (and there's no *way* it'll go back to libconfuse) |
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| 14:33.41 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: Generally useless, yes. But it makes me feel better, and annoys the author as badly as I'm annoyed by his decisions. (Or, at least that's the goal.) Call it karma, with a nasty smile. |
| 14:35.05 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: uh... except for the fact that the author is actually writing and developing the software, and you're not. Annoying the author is rather antisocial. |
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| 14:35.54 | dondelelcaro | if you actually want the libconfuse configuration method to be supported (and I suppose it could still be), it behooves you to write the code for it. |
| 14:36.01 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: Probably antisocial, sure. |
| 14:36.17 | segfault- | coky devs are the best |
| 14:36.29 | dondelelcaro | otherwise you're just wasting other people's time by complaining |
| 14:36.48 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: Don't really have time to maintain a fork for every problem I see. Or even a few problems I see. |
| 14:37.08 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: but you expect the author of the software to have the time to? |
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| 14:37.16 | segfault- | dondelelcaro, don't take it badly, but aren't you are a little bit out of channel subject and generating some noise ? |
| 14:37.23 | Thunderlord_win | is away (auto-away after 2hrs of inactivity) - (03:37 pm) |
| 14:37.29 | segfault- | (there is a debian offtopic) |
| 14:37.33 | dondelelcaro | !tell Thundering_somet -about away |
| 14:37.33 | segfault- | !off-topic |
| 14:37.41 | segfault- | !offtopic |
| 14:37.41 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 14:38.04 | dirkson | joins debian-offtopic |
| 14:38.32 | segfault- | so |
| 14:38.37 | segfault- | back on my problem |
| 14:38.39 | dondelelcaro | segfault-: it's an outcome of an issue which actually is on topic, and it's not terribly unrelated. Regardless, I'm quite well aware of what is on topic for this channel. |
| 14:38.42 | segfault- | i got this 2.4 debian box |
| 14:38.49 | segfault- | and i need to install a 2.6 kernel |
| 14:38.54 | segfault- | but when i do that |
| 14:39.08 | segfault- | (i upgraded & dist upgraded to etch first) |
| 14:39.12 | segfault- | i get lines like that : |
| 14:39.31 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: I'd actually agree with him that it's gotten a bit off topic since the start. |
| 14:39.34 | segfault- | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/screen for module 3c59x |
| 14:39.34 | segfault- | modinfo: invalid option -- F |
| 14:39.37 | segfault- | and so on |
| 14:39.45 | Thunderlord_win | is Back from (auto-away after 2hrs of inactivity) - (Gone: 2mins 22secs) |
| 14:39.51 | segfault- | i'm frightened about rebooting then |
| 14:40.04 | segfault- | because i don't know if the kernel is properly installed |
| 14:40.06 | omid8bimo | how can i get my hp tablet pc touchscreen working under lenny? |
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| 14:40.16 | segfault- | (first time i have to get a potato to lenny ..) |
| 14:40.39 | segfault- | because if i want to run a live debootstrap next, i'll need a 2.6 kernel chroot tells me |
| 14:40.50 | liable | you what? |
| 14:40.56 | segfault- | so if anything.. |
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| 14:41.34 | segfault- | dondelelcaro, you're out of topic, ranting about the developper choices is not really "help" related ;) |
| 14:41.36 | liable | !laptop |
| 14:41.37 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <netbook>, <laptop mode> <suspend troubleshooting>. |
| 14:41.40 | liable | omid8bimo: ^^ |
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| 14:42.18 | omid8bimo | liable: i'll check |
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| 14:43.00 | segfault- | !modinfo |
| 14:43.12 | segfault- | (maybe there is intel about my bug :P) |
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| 14:43.49 | dirkson | segfault-: Don't lay all the blame on dondelelcaro, I was keeping up my end of the convo too : ) |
| 14:43.51 | segfault- | or maybe i have to compile a kernel myself ? o_0 |
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| 14:44.21 | b1f30_w0rk | !pidgin |
| 14:44.21 | dpkg | pidgin is formerly <gaim>, renamed due to AOL trademark issues. libgaim now libpurple, gaim-text now finch. Backported Pidgin packages are available for Etch, ask about <backports.org>. http://www.pidgin.im/ #pidgin @ irc.freenode.net. XMPP Multi-User Chat: devel@conference.pidgin.im Lenny users: ICQ support broken due to protocol change, see bug #518988; fixed in 2.4.3-4lenny1, ask me about <proposed-updates>. |
| 14:44.23 | segfault- | dirkson, yeah, so for pledging guilty, you only get 30 mins out on the corner :D |
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| 14:45.48 | dirkson | segfault-: Hah |
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| 14:48.14 | BlueG | segfault: gpg key |
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| 14:49.08 | StyXman_ | hi all. is it me or the debian mirror in mirrors.kernel.org had no updates for sid in the last 3 or 4 days? |
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| 14:49.30 | segfault- | BlueG, behind a firewall ? |
| 14:50.01 | BlueG | segfault: hmm, possibly from ISP... |
| 14:50.03 | segfault- | BlueG, try to specify a gpg server : |
| 14:50.06 | segfault- | --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu |
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| 14:56.15 | BlueG | segfault: the error seems to apply only to hkp://pgp.mit.edu:11371, although I have hkp://keys.gnupg.net listed first |
| 14:56.33 | zzattack | hi, my disk crashed and after restoring most of what ended up in lost+found, it seems that I'm missing my shared libraries. Can I easily restore these? |
| 14:57.52 | arvind_khadri | hi i am using xfce and want iceweasel to be my default browser when i click links on IRC |
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| 14:59.53 | dirkson | arvind_khadri: Some IRC clients have an internal preference you can set. Otherwise it's using the debian default, which I don't know how to set :-/ |
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| 15:00.46 | o2T7 | Hi, I guess that `update-grub` is invoked when installing or removing kernel images by apt. So my question is, ¿How to make update-grub aware of my other boot menu entries (non debian) in a Debian standard way? |
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| 15:01.05 | arvind_khadri | dirkson, thanks |
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| 15:01.53 | BlueG | what is the gpg command to synchronize with a keyserver? |
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| 15:02.21 | dirkson | arvind_khadri: Not a problem; Best of luck : ) |
| 15:02.37 | o2T7 | BlueG: gpg --refresh-keys ? |
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| 15:02.54 | eyen | I'm having a bit of trouble getting grub to recognise my debian installation, is this an acceptable place to ask for help? |
| 15:03.00 | cast | gpg --ref works as a nice shortcut :) |
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| 15:03.33 | zzattack | if I have a list of all my installed packages, can I download just the .debs for them to my usb stick? |
| 15:04.12 | cast | zzattack: sure |
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| 15:04.51 | arvind_khadri | zzattack, you can even burn them on a cd, aptoncd |
| 15:04.58 | omid8bimo | how can i install adobe air? |
| 15:05.03 | zzattack | cast: would this be done by emptying /var/cache/apt-get/archives, then running apt-get install --reinstall <my packages>? |
| 15:05.11 | zzattack | with the -d switch |
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| 15:05.39 | omid8bimo | i get this error when i run ./AdobeAIRInstaller.bin Error ::: loading the runtime (libnss3.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64) |
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| 15:06.27 | cast | zzattack: does your way work? i didn't have one in mind |
| 15:07.01 | zzattack | cast: im not at all sure, it's just one way i could think of |
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| 15:07.07 | jelly | omid8bimo: is that third party, binary install a 32bin or a 64bit one? |
| 15:07.18 | OpenTokix | omid8bimo: you are trying to run a 64bit binary on a 32bit system |
| 15:07.18 | eyen | I recently moved my ext3 patition so that I could resize the partition before it, I then installed reinstalled windows and overwrote the MBR |
| 15:07.27 | denysonique2 | I have a Samsung R510 laptop with the 2.6.28-13 kernel my graphic card is an intel G45, has anyone managed to the backlight controll working on simmiliar hardware? |
| 15:07.35 | jelly | OpenTokix: I thought just the opposite! |
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| 15:07.41 | o2T7 | Nobody does mantain their menu.lst file in a Debian standard way? (please see my question above) |
| 15:07.45 | OpenTokix | jelly: 32bit runs just fine on 64 bit system |
| 15:07.55 | jelly | OpenTokix: if libs are installed, sure |
| 15:07.55 | OpenTokix | jelly: unless the 32bit binary tries to run a 64 bit libary |
| 15:08.02 | OpenTokix | jelly: let me finish! |
| 15:08.08 | jelly | never! |
| 15:08.13 | eyen | I'm trying to get grub to work again, but 'find /boot/grub/stage1' finds nothing |
| 15:08.13 | DaemonDEB | ia32-libs |
| 15:08.21 | DaemonDEB | if I have to say that one more time I will scream |
| 15:08.35 | jelly | DaemonDEB: hush, let us argue and not help the user. |
| 15:08.35 | OpenTokix | DaemonDEB: What did you just say, I looked away. |
| 15:08.37 | DaemonDEB | :) |
| 15:08.41 | eyen | I know that root (hd0,1) is what I want, but grub complains that it can't find /boot/grub/stage1 there |
| 15:08.50 | DaemonDEB | apt-get install ia32-libs |
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| 15:09.07 | DaemonDEB | and make sure you have the 32-bit libraries provided by your video driver |
| 15:09.08 | eyen | I can still mount that ext3 partition (grub recognises it as ext2fs) and verify that /boot/grub/stage1 is in fact there |
| 15:09.09 | jelly | denysonique2: that doesn't sound like a Debian kernel. |
| 15:09.25 | enouf | eyen: try root (hd[TAB][TAB] |
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| 15:09.42 | enouf | oh, nm |
| 15:10.07 | DaemonDEB | X86-64 is almost fully 32-bit x86 compatible with the exception of 32-bit drivers, you also cannot directly link 32 bit code against 64-bit |
| 15:10.10 | DaemonDEB | directly anyway |
| 15:10.12 | enouf | eyen: is /boot on it's own partition? any lvm involved? |
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| 15:10.18 | eyen | no and no |
| 15:10.18 | DaemonDEB | there's hacks for the odd exception |
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| 15:10.58 | eyen | I also have a bootable cd that lets me choose which partition to try booting from |
| 15:11.02 | jelly | denysonique2: as state of acpi support is highly dependent on versions of kernel, patches applied and available versions of helper scripts, it's better to ask in the correct channel |
| 15:11.02 | enouf | eyen: do you have Ext'd partition + Logicalson that HDD? |
| 15:11.28 | DaemonDEB | generally speaking, the package availability is the same with x86 and x86-64, so you should rarely run into a case where you need the 32-bit compatibility subsystem |
| 15:11.30 | eyen | enouf: I have a logical partition on the drive |
| 15:11.33 | DaemonDEB | but it is there B-) |
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| 15:11.49 | enouf | eyen: please restate this more precisely; <eyen> I recently moved my ext3 patition so that I could resize the partition before it, I then installed reinstalled windows and overwrote the MBR |
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| 15:12.06 | enouf | where, when, why, how kind of things |
| 15:12.48 | eyen | I had an NTFS partition (64GB), ext3 partition (128GB) and a swap partition (2GB) on my hard drive |
| 15:13.30 | eyen | I moved the ext3 partition to the 'right' and deleted the NTFS partition, then reinstalled windows using the 128GB of free space at the start of the disk |
| 15:13.31 | BlueG | when doing gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --refresh-keys, I am told that my personal key has no valid uids, possibly due to a missing signature, but if I view the signatures on my key, every uid is self-signed. |
| 15:13.41 | eyen | I did this using gparted |
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| 15:14.35 | eyen | when I reinstalled windows xp it overwrote the MBR and now I can't write grub to the MBR because it can't seem to find stage1 on my ext3 partition |
| 15:15.37 | jelly | eyen: general idea: boot a livecd, mount your root somewhere, chroot to it and reinstall grub |
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| 15:15.53 | Dakylla1 | hi |
| 15:16.10 | Dakylla1 | how can i get the number of files installed on teh system please ? |
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| 15:16.28 | Dakylla1 | via apt/dpkg |
| 15:16.50 | eyen | one other thing I should mention, my debian install is 64 bit and the live CDs I have are all 32 bit, could that be causing problems? |
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| 15:17.47 | omid8bimo | jelly: it's bin file from adobe website |
| 15:17.50 | jelly | eyen: uh, yep. You won't be able to chroot to a 64bit installation while running a 32bit kernel |
| 15:17.53 | ronr | I got two disks setup in software raid 0 (fakeraid from the bios), now I'm getting grub's Error 2 when booting the system, I did create a specific partition in /boot that I didn't setup as raid during installation, what am I missing here? |
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| 15:18.21 | omid8bimo | OpenTokix: no. my lenny is amd64 and i got adbobeair file from adobe website |
| 15:18.40 | jelly | omid8bimo: is ia32-libs installed? |
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| 15:18.49 | omid8bimo | jelly: yes |
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| 15:20.09 | jelly | omid8bimo: if they said they supported x86-64 debian, complain to adobe |
| 15:20.31 | omid8bimo | there no info on adobe website |
| 15:21.10 | omid8bimo | when i do file Adobe... is says it's 32 bit ELF |
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| 15:21.49 | segfault- | xoxo |
| 15:21.49 | segfault- | ^ |
| 15:21.49 | jelly | omid8bimo: you might be able to run it in a 32bit chroot |
| 15:21.49 | segfault- | ^^ |
| 15:21.49 | omid8bimo | but i remember i had it installed on my ubuntu 43bit |
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| 15:21.50 | jelly | 64? |
| 15:21.50 | omid8bimo | yeah |
| 15:21.56 | omid8bimo | i wonder why i can't install it under lenny amd64 |
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| 15:23.10 | perlypoo | 43 bit, that would be an awkward architecture |
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| 15:23.21 | perlypoo | Nintendo 43? |
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| 15:23.36 | omid8bimo | perlypoo: :D missed typed it dude. i meant 64!! |
| 15:24.09 | jelly | omid8bimo: I guess you could use apt-file to try and find a 32bit libnss3.so (in some other ia32* package), but then I'm not well versed in amd64 |
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| 15:24.45 | eyen | I thought I might have disconnected |
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| 15:25.13 | eyen | could using 32 bit live CDs when trying to get grub to recognise my 64 bit installation be a problem? |
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| 15:25.38 | omid8bimo | jelly: maybe |
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| 15:25.51 | omid8bimo | jelly: i'll try some stuff and will be back |
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| 15:30.55 | Kuifje111 | how do I delete a .deb once it's installed? |
| 15:31.13 | Kuifje111 | and is dpkg -i name.deb the proper way to install a .deb? |
| 15:31.30 | cast | rm will delete a .deb |
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| 15:31.38 | Kuifje111 | well, |
| 15:31.40 | cast | and most other things, too |
| 15:31.48 | Kuifje111 | I mean the application it installed |
| 15:32.02 | cast | dpkg -i is a fine enough way to install a .deb |
| 15:32.03 | dpkg | package is a fine enough way to install a .deb is already installed |
| 15:32.06 | o2T7 | Kuifje111: I think that `apt-get --purge remove yourpkg` would do it |
| 15:32.43 | cast | dpkg --remove pkg, would tooo |
| 15:32.43 | dpkg | rips the still-beating pkg, would tooo from cast's chest, leaving cast in a coma. |
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| 15:32.52 | Kuifje111 | ok, thanks |
| 15:32.55 | cast | :| |
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| 15:34.58 | kamp2tux | what program/package that allow me to do editing blogs and publish it. instead of using the web-based way of create/edit blogs. (eg. Windows Live Writer can do that) what is the program to use in Debian. |
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| 15:35.59 | cast | kamp2tux: i believe emacs can do that :) |
| 15:36.04 | doleyb | kamp2tux: well gnome and kde both have choices |
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| 15:36.55 | bobby_ | hello |
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| 15:37.04 | ronr | should I disable sata raid in the bios and use only linux software raid to create a (bootable) raid 0 array from two sata disks? |
| 15:37.11 | cast | ronr: yes. |
| 15:37.15 | bobby_ | I installed debian on a Dell XPS M1330 laptop, how do I enable the wireless? |
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| 15:37.33 | cast | ronr: your bios raid is more shit than linux software raid, in all likelyhood |
| 15:38.00 | ronr | cast: thx, I've been trying with both at the same time for a while now... didn't work at all |
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| 15:40.20 | bobby1234 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:40.55 | bobby1234 | I have dell 1395 wireless card |
| 15:41.14 | cast | bobby1234: you find out what kind of wireless card you have, then google it, then hopefully find instructions |
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| 15:41.43 | perlypoo | bobby1234: i have an inspiron 1525 and i got my wireless working with the wrapper app |
| 15:41.56 | bobby1234 | perlypoo, which wrapper app is that? |
| 15:42.03 | bobby1234 | i will try it out |
| 15:42.18 | BlueG | why is keys.mit.edu:13711 the default keyserver? when I try to retrieve my key from there, it says there are no valid user id's, although the same key from keys.gnupg.net is fine. I uploaded the same key to both servers. |
| 15:42.25 | ajavid | ndispluginwrapper |
| 15:42.29 | perlypoo | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=704088 |
| 15:42.37 | BlueG | s/keys.mit/pgp.mit |
| 15:42.39 | perlypoo | thats someone with that wireless card, that's what i used. |
| 15:42.41 | ajavid | there were two i always confuse em |
| 15:42.46 | abrotman | nspluginwrapper |
| 15:42.55 | ajavid | ther is one for 64 bit and one for ... I can't remember |
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| 15:43.11 | ajavid | nspluginwrapper and there was another one like that sounded like it |
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| 15:43.16 | cast | BlueG: keys can take a while to propagate, assuming those two sync with each other |
| 15:43.17 | ajavid | for like amd64 flash |
| 15:43.17 | Rudolf | how i can solve this |
| 15:43.19 | ajavid | what was that? |
| 15:43.20 | Rudolf | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 15:43.21 | perlypoo | i always wondered why there could not be a generic windows driver wrapper |
| 15:43.22 | Rudolf | 4D270D06F42584E6 |
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| 15:43.25 | Rudolf | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 15:43.27 | dogan | what was the network restart command ? |
| 15:43.27 | bobby1234 | perlypoo, il try it out now |
| 15:43.36 | Rudolf | when i try to upgrade etch to lenny? |
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| 15:43.39 | ajavid | dogan, /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:43.48 | eanda | hey all now that lenny is released has Sid become testing? |
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| 15:43.54 | Kuifje111 | i am constantly getting the message that i should run "apt-get -f install", is there a way to disable this, or is it really necessary? |
| 15:44.05 | ajavid | !tell eanda -about sid faq |
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| 15:44.29 | Rudolf | Kuifje111: u run this command after receive message? |
| 15:44.45 | Kuifje111 | i have done that a couple of times |
| 15:44.52 | Kuifje111 | it installed a shitload of new software |
| 15:45.19 | BlueG | cast: I have actually uploaded the key to both servers. pgp.mit.edu seems to have the key, but for some reason I am told that it has no valid user ids, possibly due to a missing self-signature |
| 15:45.46 | SerajewelKS | what's the maximum number of mounts i can have, or where would i go to find that information? manpages don't seem too helpful, nor does google. |
| 15:46.27 | cast | BlueG: hmm, i just use subkeys.pgp.net, which iirc maybe a pool of servers. it is true that some servers will mangle keys |
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| 15:47.10 | BlueG | cast: it seems odd for it to be the default keyserver that mangles keys... |
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| 15:47.24 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/sysctl/fs.txt |
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| 15:48.34 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: damn, this is outdated and i dont see those tunables anymore |
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| 15:49.29 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: yeah me either :/ |
| 15:49.42 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: its still in the actual new Docs though |
| 15:49.50 | SerajewelKS | "valid for Linux kernel version 2.2" |
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| 15:50.28 | eanda | ok so what is the new codename for testing now that Lenny is released? |
| 15:50.35 | SerajewelKS | !testing |
| 15:50.35 | dpkg | well, testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <squeeze> and given that lenny has only just been released, users of squeeze are in for a bumpy ride. Either be clueful or be told that you shouldn't be using testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html. <lenny->squeeze><testing security><moving target>. |
| 15:50.41 | SerajewelKS | eanda: ^^ |
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| 15:52.04 | kunal | whats the easiest way to get wpa supplicant? |
| 15:52.16 | SerajewelKS | kunal: aptitude install wpasupplicant |
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| 15:52.43 | eanda | so it looks like there are alot of breakages in testing right now and probably not a good idea to install a desktop with testing ..... correct? |
| 15:52.51 | BlueG | Can you change the color scheme in Lynx? |
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| 15:52.57 | SerajewelKS | eanda: yes, it will be that way for probably at least another month |
| 15:53.08 | jelly | BlueG: yes. |
| 15:53.22 | eanda | ok thanks I'll stick with lenny for now. thanks for your help |
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| 15:53.31 | kunal | thanks |
| 15:53.38 | SerajewelKS | eak: np |
| 15:53.45 | SerajewelKS | eak: oops |
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| 15:54.17 | BlueG | jelly: is the default fairly consistent across distros? how do you change it? |
| 15:54.23 | kunal | SerajewelKS: i think i need to 1st download it |
| 15:54.48 | kunal | apt-get wpasupplicant? |
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| 15:54.52 | jelly | BlueG: no idea / search for COLORS in lynx.cfg |
| 15:55.22 | SerajewelKS | kunal: i just told you what to do |
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| 15:55.44 | kunal | it siad coultn find any packge whose name or describtion mathced wpasupplicant |
| 15:55.52 | SerajewelKS | judd: versions wpasupplicant |
| 15:55.53 | judd | SerajewelKS: wpasupplicant -- etch: 0.5.5-2 lenny: 0.6.4-3 sid: 0.6.4-3 squeeze: 0.6.4-3 experimental: 0.6.7-1 |
| 15:55.53 | kunal | said couldnt find |
| 15:56.13 | SerajewelKS | kunal: then you're either not running debian or you aren't using the right repositories |
| 15:56.19 | luckylucy | i cannot start samba, it is saying that line 42 of samb in /etc/init.d, is the problem... |
| 15:56.37 | BlueG | cast: yes, pgp.mit.edu is serving my key with only one unsigned uid, whereas keys.gnupg.net has the full key with three self-signed uids. I wonder if this is a keyserver problem. |
| 15:56.43 | kunal | i am on a debain system. maybe my repositories. do i need to dwownload something? |
| 15:56.47 | luckylucy | start-stop-daemon: command not found, how can i fix this? |
| 15:57.06 | SerajewelKS | kunal: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:57.13 | kunal | ok |
| 15:57.18 | pif | hi, I don't want apt to install recommended packages, how can I do that? |
| 15:57.38 | cast | pif: pass -R to aptitude |
| 15:57.51 | pif | I use straight apt-get |
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| 15:58.04 | pif | is there a /etc/apt/preferences paramter? |
| 15:58.05 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: few 100 works |
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| 15:58.20 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: hmm? |
| 15:58.32 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: a few hundred mounted filesystems works |
| 15:58.46 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i coulda told you that, we have 171 right now :) |
| 15:58.51 | kunal | pastebin.com/m11177677 |
| 15:58.54 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: 1000 now |
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| 15:59.05 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: heh nice |
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| 15:59.16 | SerajewelKS | kunal: yeah, you are only using a cdrom source there |
| 15:59.25 | kunal | so how to get more now? |
| 15:59.25 | valdyn | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 46525 18. Mär 16:59 /etc/mtab |
| 15:59.28 | SerajewelKS | kunal: also, why are you using squeeze? |
| 15:59.35 | kunal | whats sqeeze? |
| 15:59.39 | SerajewelKS | kunal: you should be using stable, not testing |
| 15:59.47 | kunal | should i delete and reinstall stable? |
| 15:59.50 | SerajewelKS | kunal: you have installed a development version of debian, not a stable one |
| 15:59.57 | kunal | anything wrong there? |
| 16:00.06 | SerajewelKS | kunal: yes, using the netinstall cd. it will set up your repositories for you, and it will actually work. |
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| 16:00.28 | kunal | so you mean i need to start all over again ? |
| 16:00.30 | SerajewelKS | kunal: squeeze is likely to break frequently for a while |
| 16:00.32 | SerajewelKS | kunal: yes |
| 16:00.37 | kunal | oh please! |
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| 16:00.40 | SerajewelKS | kunal: you got the wrong CD |
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| 16:00.57 | kunal | sigh |
| 16:01.00 | jeltsch | Hello, what are the differences between apt-get and aptitude nowadays? |
| 16:01.10 | kunal | anyways i'll get squeeze out later. |
| 16:01.13 | SerajewelKS | jeltsch: aptitude is full of awesome, apt-get is a bit simpler |
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| 16:01.28 | kunal | SerajewelKS: is it possible for me to get the rest ? |
| 16:01.39 | SerajewelKS | kunal: the rest of squeeze? |
| 16:01.41 | kunal | to get wpa supplicant? |
| 16:01.43 | kunal | yes. |
| 16:01.57 | jeltsch | SerajewelKS: I heard that apt-get meanwhile marks automatically installed packages and can automatically uninstall them. Is this true? |
| 16:02.10 | SerajewelKS | jeltsch: aptitude can, i'm not sure about apt-get |
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| 16:02.22 | SerajewelKS | kunal: yes, you need to add a repository to your list |
| 16:02.36 | jeltsch | SerajewelKS: Do you see any special reason for using apt-get instead of aptitude? |
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| 16:02.50 | SerajewelKS | kunal: which the installer should have done for you. the fact that it did not probably means that squeeze is not ready for usage. |
| 16:03.00 | SerajewelKS | jeltsch: not really, i have not used apt-get in some months |
| 16:03.23 | buffoon_work | jeltsch, i think it does, at least i get always messages about automatically installed packages which can be removed |
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| 16:03.38 | kunal | SerajewelKS: where can i find this repository? |
| 16:03.43 | SerajewelKS | jeltsch: aptitude has a very nice curses UI if you can take the time to learn it |
| 16:03.53 | jeltsch | buffoon_work: Can apt-get automatically install recommended packages meanwhile? |
| 16:04.08 | SerajewelKS | !tell kunal about sources.list |
| 16:04.12 | kunal | SerajewelKS: if i installed the 1st disk of stable will it work properly? and will i have wpasupplicant? |
| 16:04.16 | jeltsch | SerajewelKS: Yes, I know this UI. Very nice, indeed. One point for aptitude. :-) |
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| 16:04.44 | SerajewelKS | kunal: do not use the first disk of stable, use the network installer, if you have a network connection handy, preferably a wired one |
| 16:05.25 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i think your ram is the limit |
| 16:05.31 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i stopped at 4000 however |
| 16:05.44 | jeltsch | Is there a problem with mixing apt-get and aptitude, i.e., using both with the same Debian installation? |
| 16:05.49 | buffoon_work | jeltsch, afaik it installs recommends automatically by default |
| 16:05.56 | kunal | SerajewelKS: my network connection is very strange. |
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| 16:06.07 | kunal | i cant do the netinst. |
| 16:06.16 | SerajewelKS | kunal: the second CD contains wpasupplicant |
| 16:06.19 | jeltsch | buffoon_work: apt-get installs recommended stuff by default? Or do you mean aptitude? |
| 16:06.27 | kunal | SerajewelKS: thank you. |
| 16:06.30 | SerajewelKS | kunal: if you want to use squeeze, download the second cd |
| 16:06.44 | kunal | yeah. i think that will be faster. |
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| 16:06.46 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: ah, just wondering how much headroom we had |
| 16:06.53 | buffoon_work | jeltsch, "If you are using Debian Lenny and are installing software packages using apt-get then you might have noticed the new version of apt-get in Lenny installs the ârecommendsâ packages automatically" |
| 16:07.02 | buffoon_work | from http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/01/07/howto-tell-apt-get-not-to-install-recommends-packages-in-debian-linux/ |
| 16:07.12 | jeltsch | buffoon_work: Thank you! |
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| 16:07.53 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: funny side effects though, apps dont deal with this well |
| 16:08.03 | jeltsch | So concerning the features, I usually use, the only difference seems to be that aptitude has an ncurses UI which apt-get doesnât have. |
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| 16:08.30 | buffoon_work | np |
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| 16:17.41 | joss | can apt-get be tuned to show installed packages files for every installed package live? |
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| 16:18.04 | stew | joss: what do you mean exactly? |
| 16:18.23 | zzattack | I keep getting "ldconfig: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2.1.13 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start." when booting, what can I do about this? |
| 16:18.55 | joss | stew: some thing like for i ( apt-get install) ; do dpkg -L $i ; done |
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| 16:19.30 | joss | stew: that it would always loog each package contests to console when installing |
| 16:20.31 | joss | stew: little weird would be to strace FWRITE's from apt-get , doesn't apt get do that itself" |
| 16:20.33 | joss | ? |
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| 16:20.50 | stew | joss: " aptitude search -F%p '~i' " would list each package installed. so perhaps you mean "aptitude search -F%p '~i' | xargs dpkg -L" ? |
| 16:21.38 | stew | joss: wait, you want this to happen when you install a package? no i don't believe there is a way |
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| 16:21.49 | joss | stew: no, not every package installed..just when issuing apt-get install xorg-server, that package and all it's depends |
| 16:22.00 | themill | Probably hack up a postinst hook to do so... |
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| 16:22.53 | joss | themill: yup, something like that, gentoo also call's that state postinst, though thats just plane "make install |
| 16:22.56 | joss | " |
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| 16:23.58 | joss | themill: so currently there is no such thing? that's quite weird, wonder if really none looks what files he get's? |
| 16:24.36 | stew | joss: look at man apt.conf, perhaps you can do it with one of the hooks documented there |
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| 16:24.53 | themill | joss: since many packages come with hundreds of files, I'm quite happy not to have their contents spewed at me all the time. If I want to see them, I use dpkg -L or apt-file. |
| 16:24.59 | gravity | You want a record of the debconf interactions with the x server? |
| 16:25.59 | sepult | how do i update the info pages ? |
| 16:26.04 | gravity | You can set a debugging environment variable to do that I guess |
| 16:26.11 | joss | themill: i always take a look mostly, saves time quite a bit , doing that afterwards is more complicated |
| 16:26.19 | gravity | Or you can just look in the debconf database itself for the question responses |
| 16:26.31 | hyksos | hi, i want to use 1920x1200 screen size, but when i open configure-desktop, there is no 1920x1200, so i wrote it into xorg.conf, but after restart X, no 1920x1200 setting is available to choose in configure-desktop? what do i wrong? |
| 16:26.34 | gravity | joss: Why do you want this exactly? |
| 16:26.47 | sepult | and why do none of the lisp interpreters give out any documentation be it with local hyperspec or remote |
| 16:27.10 | stew | gravity: he's not talking about x specifically or debconf. he wants to manually inspect a list of files for every package at installation time |
| 16:27.22 | SerajewelKS | hyksos: sounds like X doesn't think your video card or monitor can do 1920x1200 |
| 16:27.42 | hyksos | SerajewelKS: then i want to force X to think it |
| 16:27.44 | SerajewelKS | hyksos: check /var/log for the X server logs, see what they say |
| 16:27.54 | SerajewelKS | hyksos: you can't |
| 16:28.04 | SerajewelKS | hyksos: doing that, if your hardware doesn't support it, can damage your hardware |
| 16:28.33 | joss | gravity: used to it under gentoo, that way i can understand what package manager does and what are the contents.. |
| 16:28.49 | gravity | stew: Ah, I misinterpreted what he was asking |
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| 16:29.07 | themill | joss: doing afterwards is no work at all; apt-file show packagename (if I actually care) |
| 16:29.09 | joss | emerge also had some better possibilities to display whole deptree when asked --deep |
| 16:30.16 | gravity | There was a program or two to do the deptree thing, but I've forgotten them |
| 16:30.23 | egz | is there a command to get the deian architecture of the current system. i want to use it at build time in a debian package build process designed to run on both i386 and amd64 systems |
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| 16:30.38 | gravity | joss: Why do you want this exactly?http://alioth.debian.org/~fjp/debtree/usage1.html |
| 16:30.41 | stew | egz: dpkg-architecture |
| 16:30.51 | gravity | joss: Er, sorry about the question repeat, copy 'n paste bug |
| 16:30.57 | egz | stew, thanks |
| 16:30.57 | themill | joss: apt-cache has a few -- man apt-cache and look at the dotty or similar options |
| 16:31.00 | joss | tehmill: are you serious? at least can i dump the package names with dates to file to wquery them? |
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| 16:31.43 | gravity | Oh that's right, I totally forgot that apt-cache did that |
| 16:31.45 | pif | what is that "split summary at cursor" feature? |
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| 16:32.12 | themill | joss: you perhaps also want to look at the dpkg or aptitude log files and have a look inside /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 16:32.18 | wonderwal | hi does anyone have experience with cron-apt? |
| 16:32.25 | joss | themill: cool, you mean a package that interfaces with apt-get in a similar way? |
| 16:32.32 | wonderwal | when i run cron-apt, im not mailed anything it seems |
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| 16:33.59 | SoulSeller | Anybody with problem like that: "Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'"? |
| 16:34.06 | joss | themill: i see, ok. raw dep tree |
| 16:34.35 | themill | joss: also man aptitude and look at the "why" command. |
| 16:34.45 | s7itch3s | hello everyone. i'm having trouble getting the correct resolution with a command line install but then i added the fluxbox desktop. at the command line it is 1024x768 but when i startx its only 800x600. any ideas? |
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| 16:35.22 | joss | themill: heh cool |
| 16:35.26 | joss | why not |
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| 16:37.56 | hyksos | how can i setup new screen size? the xorg.conf file is empty , its dynamically created or so, but how to insert new sizes? |
| 16:38.00 | daedhel | will someone tell me what is the right way to debian testing on an usb key, in persistent mode? There's a gazillion howto out there, none of wich says the same thing |
| 16:38.21 | daedhel | hysos, what is your graphic card? |
| 16:38.34 | hyksos | Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA 2164W [Millennium II] |
| 16:38.46 | daedhel | hmm kay |
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| 16:39.07 | joss | themill: ok i haven't tried aptitude yet, apt-get is interactive , trying with aptitude, that shouldn't be that hard to script in bash language i think..when there are no prompts, and error is distinguishhable |
| 16:39.10 | daedhel | wait a sec |
| 16:39.43 | stew | joss: have you checked to see if you can get a list of packages with any of the hooks configurable via apt.conf? |
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| 16:39.57 | joss | stderr and stdout when all packages are there, then it's just a matter of for or anyhting else |
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| 16:40.16 | joss | stew: nop...next man here |
| 16:40.36 | joss | dunno haven;t used any of those hooks..nor even read that man page |
| 16:41.03 | themill | joss: a dpkg book would be better. man apt.conf and look at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz. See also the sorts of hooks that apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs drop into /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 16:41.13 | themill | s/book/hook/ |
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| 16:42.31 | daedhel | hyksos, try "X -configure" as root, it will automatically make a xorg.conf |
| 16:42.55 | daedhel | hyksos, you will be able to configure it by editing it then |
| 16:43.09 | hyksos | daedhel: i try |
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| 16:43.14 | stew | hyksos: see if you can configure it at runtime using xrandr instead |
| 16:43.44 | daedhel | stew, does xrandr writes a xorg.conf ? |
| 16:43.49 | stew | daedhel: no |
| 16:44.30 | valdyn | !intel slow scrolling |
| 16:44.30 | dpkg | Switch to XAA acceleration by modifying or adding a device section like https://valdyn.org/xorg-intel-use-xaa in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
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| 16:45.10 | hyksos | Size 1920x1200 not found in available modes, do i need to overwrite some mode settings on the graphic card, i know something with intel chips? |
| 16:45.10 | adb | qq |
| 16:45.11 | joss | stew: i just heard that first time that are are such hooks, i belive that's peace of cake then..but i see tomorrow really tired, thanks c ya |
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| 16:47.01 | daedhel | hyksos, you want that resolution? or is this what the script configured by itself? |
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| 16:47.01 | rki | Is there a way I could make a fake 'uname' output; say when a user does 'uname -a' --it prints a different comment. :o |
| 16:47.01 | hyksos | daedhel: i want that resolution |
| 16:47.06 | luckylucy | i will be right back |
| 16:47.12 | cast | rki: why? |
| 16:47.14 | daedhel | hyksos, are you sure you screen and graphic cards supports it? |
| 16:47.21 | JoshH | replace uname with a script |
| 16:47.25 | Siegfried | Any good antivirus that can be used as a content_filter with postfix and that can be selected per account? (disable/enable for some emails) |
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| 16:47.34 | Siegfried | clamsmtp has no whitelist/blacklist or anything |
| 16:47.56 | hyksos | my screen is new, 27,5inch ,full hd, and the card should also support it, even with 4mb ram, http://reviews.cnet.com/graphics-cards/matrox-millenium-ii-graphics/4505-8902_7-30110799.html |
| 16:48.08 | daedhel | Siegfried, doen,t clamav does that? |
| 16:48.15 | valdyn | dpkg: ancient display is <reply>If your monitor has no proper autoconfig support, add or modify a Monitor section like https://valdyn.org/~valdyn/xorg.conf.monitor to /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Insert YOUR OWN proper values, mine will break your monitor. |
| 16:48.15 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 16:48.49 | Siegfried | daedhel, with clamsmtp i think but it has no whitelist setting |
| 16:49.03 | Siegfried | nothing to disable/enable it depending of the email.. |
| 16:49.12 | daedhel | Siegfried, sorry can help, i,m too noob |
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| 16:49.23 | rki | cast, For educational purposes. |
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| 16:49.27 | daedhel | hyksos, wait a sec |
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| 16:49.53 | Fare | is there any hope of a recent xemacs or sxemacs package in debian? |
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| 16:50.07 | cast | rki: a pointless education, then |
| 16:50.12 | Fare | based on xemacs 21.5 or later? |
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| 16:50.20 | cast | Fare: backports.org got anything? |
| 16:50.21 | ma3x | wtf is this : i get udp packets on my network destination port: llmnr, it's flooded. is that p2p app? |
| 16:50.43 | daedhel | hyksos, my guess is that you monitor isn't detected correctly. what debian are you using? |
| 16:50.43 | Fare | cast: not that I know. unstable only has 21.4 |
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| 16:50.55 | valdyn | ma3x: you have llmnr in /etc/services? I sure don't. |
| 16:51.18 | hyksos | daedhel: lenny 64bit |
| 16:51.20 | ma3x | valdyn: no, but i usually have user on my network and i want to know what's he doing. is that p2p? |
| 16:51.36 | valdyn | ma3x: how the hell would we know? |
| 16:51.37 | ma3x | valdyn: he's not using linux though |
| 16:51.40 | pertain | rki: for eductional purposes You could replace /bin/uname and write Your own using the syscall uname(2). |
| 16:51.49 | ma3x | valdyn: well what's lmnr used for |
| 16:51.54 | valdyn | ma3x: you told us hes sending udp packets, that is not much information |
| 16:51.58 | daedhel | hyksos, ok wait a sec |
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| 16:52.29 | kunal113 | hey. can i download drivers for debian off the internet? |
| 16:52.43 | valdyn | hyksos: look what i just tought dpkg |
| 16:52.53 | cast | kunal113: debian ships with it's drivers. what do you need? |
| 16:52.58 | valdyn | hyksos: but it would be better to first read the logfile, then deduct whats wrong |
| 16:53.06 | daedhel | hyksos, what is the brand and model number of the screen? |
| 16:53.09 | valdyn | or deduce ? whatever |
| 16:53.12 | kunal113 | cast:i need vga |
| 16:53.19 | kunal113 | and sound and all the others. |
| 16:53.28 | kunal113 | i am getting the 1st 2 stable versions of debian |
| 16:53.31 | hyksos | the logfile doesnt do any output about x? |
| 16:53.31 | kunal113 | CDs. |
| 16:53.33 | SoulSeller | "Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'" Any clues? |
| 16:53.45 | valdyn | hyksos: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:53.46 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 16:53.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
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| 16:53.51 | hyksos | daedhel: hanns g gh281d |
| 16:53.55 | cast | kunal113: debian comes with all the drivers you need, in all likelyhood |
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| 16:54.28 | hyksos | valdyn: nothing about screen size |
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| 16:54.42 | valdyn | hyksos: hell,i couldnt read it this fast |
| 16:54.42 | kunal113 | cast: are all the drivers included in the 1st 2 CDs? |
| 16:54.53 | valdyn | hyksos: while I know exactly what to look for, try again |
| 16:54.54 | ma3x | valdyn: http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2994/snapshoty.png |
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| 16:54.59 | SoulSeller | valdyn, I have all those things... xserver-xorg, xorg, xfonts-base |
| 16:55.15 | hyksos | valdyn: what try again? |
| 16:55.15 | cast | kunal113: yes. |
| 16:55.20 | SoulSeller | Made some symlinks but... for now it is the same. |
| 16:55.24 | valdyn | hyksos: try reading the log file again |
| 16:55.43 | valdyn | hyksos: or put it up on a paste site for someone to read for you |
| 16:55.58 | daedhel | hyksos, try pastebin.com |
| 16:56.52 | hyksos | ah, i was stupid, used tail to read log file, with -n 1000 its better, Not using default mode "1920x1200" (insufficient memory for mode) |
| 16:56.53 | kunal113 | cast: thank you :) |
| 16:57.01 | hyksos | damn :) |
| 16:57.09 | daedhel | hehe |
| 16:57.48 | daedhel | kind of weird tho, why is the card saying it supports that resolution but has not ebough memory |
| 16:57.54 | valdyn | hyksos: intel chipset? |
| 16:58.05 | hyksos | daedhel: you can put more memory on the card |
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| 16:58.15 | hyksos | daedhel: i think i read, up to 32mb |
| 16:58.21 | valdyn | err, nm, that was a matrox |
| 16:58.40 | ma3x | valdyn: did you look at the snapshot? |
| 16:58.40 | hyksos | yes, mill 2 |
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| 16:59.22 | Fare | daedhel, try the resolution in 1bpp or 8bpp ? |
| 16:59.35 | valdyn | ma3x: i still dont know what llmnr is |
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| 16:59.50 | valdyn | ma3x: but considering that the source ports are all different it could very well be p2p |
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| 17:00.35 | ma3x | valdyn: okay thanks dude |
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| 17:00.50 | valdyn | ma3x: google knows better |
| 17:01.23 | valdyn | ma3x: its not p2p. |
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| 17:04.03 | khaije1 | my pulseaudio setup seems correct but i get zero audio, what am i missing? (already looked at the 'perfect setup' manual on the pa site) |
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| 17:04.38 | ma3x | valdyn: i already knew it's Link-local Multicast Name Resolution, but i don't know if p2p apps use it |
| 17:05.31 | wonderwal | will the "mail" command by default connect to the smtp server after the @ in the address specified? |
| 17:05.43 | Siegfried | daedhel, you're not so noob as there is also clamav-milter, checking it :D |
| 17:05.54 | ma3x | valdyn: i don't know what he's downloading or doing, but once we recieved a letter from the isp that spam emails were sent out from the ip |
| 17:06.04 | ma3x | valdyn: so i wonder if he got some virus or just downloading movies n stuff |
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| 17:06.15 | rhineheart_m | hello people |
| 17:06.19 | rhineheart_m | how are you? |
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| 17:08.12 | adb | qq |
| 17:08.22 | bobby1234 | hello all, I installed the broadcom module after downloading the source from their site and compiling |
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| 17:08.40 | bobby1234 | it works fine after I do a insmod, now what do I do to have this module loaded at startup? |
| 17:09.35 | stew | bobby1234: edit /etc/modules |
| 17:09.37 | valdyn | ma3x: so watch the other traffic he is causing |
| 17:09.53 | bobby1234 | stew, what do I give there? |
| 17:09.59 | bobby1234 | the entire path? |
| 17:10.11 | stew | bobby1234: the name of the module, without path or .ko |
| 17:10.23 | bobby1234 | the new module is in ~/Desktop/bcm |
| 17:10.26 | stew | bobby1234: assuming it is installed correctly in /lib/modules and you've run depmod -a |
| 17:10.27 | bobby1234 | how will it find it there? |
| 17:10.55 | stew | bobby1234: when you installed it, where was it installed to? |
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| 17:11.08 | bobby1234 | i downloaded the source code to the desktop |
| 17:11.12 | bobby1234 | and compiled fromt here |
| 17:11.17 | bobby1234 | there* |
| 17:11.23 | bobby1234 | and did and insmod wl |
| 17:11.26 | bobby1234 | wl.ko* |
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| 17:11.47 | daedhel | Siegfried, clamav-milter or clamav-filter? anyways, I know something works, since I have it on my servers, and you can enable/disable virus and spam protection |
| 17:12.09 | stew | bobby1234: check the install instructions. i'd expect there is a step such as "make install" which would install it to /lib/modules/$(version) somewhere so that "modprobe modulename" works |
| 17:12.12 | ma3x | valdyn: i know ettercap does that (detailed traffic sniffing) but why wireshark doesn't show it all? |
| 17:12.15 | KIAaze | hi, I'm having problems booting my new debian installation. It seems grub hasn't installed correctly to the MBR. |
| 17:12.27 | bobby1234 | stew, ok. ill try that |
| 17:12.32 | daedhel | will someone tell me what is the right way to debian testing on an usb key, in persistent mode? There's a gazillion howto out there, none of wich says the same thing |
| 17:12.41 | daedhel | KIAaze, i can try to help |
| 17:12.52 | Siegfried | daedhel, clamav-milter, enable/disable per email? |
| 17:12.59 | KIAaze | setup: 2 sata disks, /dev/sda with 3 partitions: / , swap and /data1 |
| 17:13.00 | bobby1234 | stew, no option for install |
| 17:13.12 | KIAaze | /dev/sdb with one partition: /data2 |
| 17:13.14 | cast | daedhel: do you mean debian-live? |
| 17:13.21 | stew | bobby1234: the source didn't come with instructions on how to install it? |
| 17:13.37 | daedhel | Siegfried, wait a sec, i'll check taht, maybe I can tell you what is uses |
| 17:13.39 | bobby1234 | it just says insmod wl.ko |
| 17:13.42 | valdyn | ma3x: it does show all |
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| 17:13.58 | valdyn | ma3x: if he is doing only llnmr, then theres probably nothing wrong at all |
| 17:13.59 | daedhel | cast, yeah, as long as it is in persistent mode |
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| 17:14.29 | dacs | can i get mozila thunderbird email in linux |
| 17:14.48 | cast | daedhel: check the live documentation, you can pass it a parameter on boot to search for a partition label, it'll use that partition as a means to achieve persistent mode |
| 17:14.49 | bobby1234 | stew, there is a wiki for arch for how to do this here http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Broadcom_BCM4312 |
| 17:15.09 | bobby1234 | also the README.txt is here http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README.txt |
| 17:15.18 | dacs | !thunderbird |
| 17:15.18 | dpkg | from memory, thunderbird is mozilla.org's cross-platform email client using XUL (GTK+), packaged in mozilla-thunderbird in Sarge and the thunderbird package in Etch. http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/ For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. icedove |
| 17:15.19 | daedhel | KIAaze, ok, so you obvioulsy want you grub to boot on you sdaX (X being the number of the partiton wich holds the / mount point) |
| 17:15.33 | KIAaze | yes |
| 17:15.57 | valdyn | ma3x: that snapshot shows only local traffic btw, nothing that would go to the internet |
| 17:15.59 | daedhel | cast, what documentation do you suggest? (where is it) |
| 17:16.01 | dacs | so is it support it or can i even get it in leny? |
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| 17:16.07 | EmleyMoor | dacs: It's called icedove in Debian |
| 17:16.28 | dacs | EmleyMoor: thanks |
| 17:16.36 | daedhel | KIAaze, how did you install grub? Installation cd? |
| 17:16.37 | EmleyMoor | !icedove |
| 17:16.37 | dpkg | [icedove] a fork to replace thunderbird. Debian is unable to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name due to trademark restrictions. See also DFSG, iceweasel, or gnuzilla http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. |
| 17:16.38 | stew | !bcm43xx |
| 17:16.38 | dpkg | well, bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's non-USB wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in Linux since 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with 2.6.18 kernel, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43> and <b43legacy> in Linux 2.6.24 and later. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ Linux images and removed from mainline in 2.6.26. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 17:16.39 | cast | daedhel: i'll google for you...just this once |
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| 17:16.49 | stew | bobby1234: check http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 17:16.54 | ma3x | valdyn: how can i see the rest? |
| 17:17.04 | bobby1234 | stew, ok |
| 17:17.13 | daedhel | cast, lol no that's ok, I can do that myself lol, I just thought you had a particular documentation in mind thanks anyway!| |
| 17:17.27 | valdyn | ma3x: run wireshark on a computer that is actually being traversed by his internet traffic |
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| 17:17.34 | cast | daedhel: http://live.debian.net/manual/html/persistence.html |
| 17:17.34 | dacs | how can i get rid or epiphany and eviloution please |
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| 17:17.46 | KIAaze | I installed grub during the debian installation process |
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| 17:17.57 | stew | dacs: aptitude remove evolution epiphany-browser |
| 17:18.02 | daedhel | cast, thanks |
| 17:18.10 | dacs | last time i did apt-remove epiphany --purge i lost the whole GNOME |
| 17:18.12 | KIAaze | after it didn't boot, I made a few attempts with the rescue system, but I can't get it to work |
| 17:18.38 | valdyn | ma3x: also, if you cant do that, look at the actual data |
| 17:18.43 | ma3x | valdyn: im running it on my computer which is connected to the wlan. but wireshark doesn't show any more detailed info than that |
| 17:18.48 | KIAaze | I tried mounting /dev/sda1, doing a chroot to it and running grub-install, but it always fails |
| 17:18.50 | valdyn | ma3x: in the packets, the names he tries to resolve might be telling |
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| 17:19.09 | KIAaze | I tried grub-install /dev/sda , /dev/sda1 |
| 17:19.10 | daedhel | KIAaze, ok, and in the installation process, when it asked you where to install grum (mbr or partition) what did you answer? |
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| 17:19.18 | stew | dacs: you might want to mark the installed gnome packages as not being automatically installed with something like "aptitude unmarkauto '~q~Rgnome'" |
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| 17:19.29 | valdyn | ma3x: wireshark is not a wlan sniffer |
| 17:19.40 | KIAaze | it didn't ask me where, only yes or no if I wanted to install it. |
| 17:19.46 | dacs | stew: gnome-desktop-environment |
| 17:19.54 | valdyn | ma3x: now go check which namaes he is trying to resolve |
| 17:19.57 | dacs | it said it will remove that |
| 17:20.02 | EmleyMoor | dacs: That's a metapackage |
| 17:20.22 | stew | dacs: yes, unmark the dependencies of that packages as well |
| 17:20.25 | EmleyMoor | It merely depends on a lot of stuff |
| 17:20.32 | KIAaze | but /boot/grub/menu.lst is clearly on /dev/sda1 |
| 17:20.35 | euth | I want to add an /etc/default/<pkg-name> file to a package I am building... is there a debhelp way to do that? |
| 17:20.39 | bobby1234 | stew, that wiki does not mention about the driver released by broadcom :( |
| 17:20.51 | stew | dacs: and yes, you will have to remove the gnome-desktop-environment package, but that is ok, that package doesn't actually provide functionality |
| 17:20.53 | bobby1234 | may be ill update it ;) |
| 17:20.55 | euth | s/debhelp/debhelper/ |
| 17:21.14 | dacs | ~aptitude unmarkauto '~q~Rgnome' |
| 17:21.33 | daedhel | KIAaze, ok, I suggest you try this: http://beginlinux.com/server_training/server-managment-topics/1069-supergrub |
| 17:21.53 | stew | bobby1234: doesn't it say, however that debian already comes with a driver and you wouldn't need to install the one from broadcom? |
| 17:21.58 | Neaai | Hello all. I just installed the compiz-gnome package. Compiz works like a charm as far as effects are concerned, but I have to start if from the command line and I can't seem to find a way to configure, just have-do how it starts. What am I missing to have a configurator for that, and also to make it permanent when I login? |
| 17:22.01 | daedhel | KIAaze, otherwise, i'm sorry, i don't want to give you false info, i'm not expert enough |
| 17:22.08 | KIAaze | also, I don't if this is important or not, but I had to use the pci=nommconf option to be able to install debian at all |
| 17:22.19 | stew | bobby1234: if you want to install the one you have, you'd have to copy it into /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel somewhere then run 'depmod -a' |
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| 17:22.36 | bobby1234 | stew, ok |
| 17:22.36 | stew | bobby1234: and check if it is available with '/sbin/modinfo modulename' |
| 17:22.40 | ma3x | valdyn: you mean i can't do it with wireshark? or should i connect it directly to the router via lan? |
| 17:22.47 | ma3x | valdyn: or use ettercap? |
| 17:22.52 | valdyn | ma3x: read the damn data |
| 17:23.09 | daedhel | Neaai, what debian version are you usign? |
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| 17:23.19 | ma3x | valdyn: there isn't much other data than those llmnr packets i took the snapshot and showed you |
| 17:23.22 | valdyn | ma3x: you can use something like kismet, but this is alot more work than just reading the name lookups you already have to packets of |
| 17:23.26 | Neaai | daedhel: Lenny (5.0) |
| 17:23.36 | daedhel | Neaai, ok wait a sec |
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| 17:23.40 | Leo | hello |
| 17:23.44 | Neaai | daedhel: ok, thanks |
| 17:23.52 | ma3x | valdyn: when i run ettercap i get detailed packets and info in wireshark |
| 17:24.01 | valdyn | ma3x: lick on the "Data (22 bytes )" section and read |
| 17:24.05 | ma3x | valdyn: but without ettercap, only wireshark shows so little info. do you know why? |
| 17:24.07 | valdyn | ma3x: click on the "Data (22 bytes )" section and read |
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| 17:24.37 | ma3x | valdyn: Data: 28E200000001000000000000046D616C790000010001 |
| 17:24.38 | valdyn | ma3x: because you arent using it properly, you have everything available at your fingertips in wireshark already |
| 17:24.40 | ma3x | what does that mean? |
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| 17:24.55 | valdyn | ma3x: thats to bad, i dont know llnmr encoding |
| 17:25.22 | klbate | I'm trying to set up mod_mono in Apache2. I've got the ASP.NET test pages running fine in xsp and I've installed mod_mono, but Apache2 just keeps returning the source for the aspx pages instead of passing them to xsp for execution. Do I need to edit any configuration files after installing mod_mono? |
| 17:25.32 | klbate | (everything is installed from Debian packages) |
| 17:25.38 | valdyn | ma3x: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4795.txt |
| 17:25.38 | stew | klbate: try "a2enmod mono' |
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| 17:26.07 | daedhel | Neaai, i suggest you to install "fusion-icon" and "compizconfig-settings-manager", and the you can ask you DE (gnome, kde, xfce) to start fusion-icon on boot |
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| 17:26.14 | valdyn | ma3x: ascii translation of that hex code is right next to it btw, maygbe that is readable |
| 17:26.21 | klbate | stew: mod_mono.conf and mod_mono.load are already in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/. |
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| 17:26.40 | ma3x | valdyn: well if its only name resolver, i can't imagine that it would flood the network, no way |
| 17:26.44 | daedhel | Neaai, what is your DE (Desktop Environement) |
| 17:26.46 | dacs | stew: gnome-desktop-environment, opened something blue like pkg manger, i never used it b4 |
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| 17:26.55 | valdyn | ma3x: you dont understand |
| 17:26.58 | Neaai | daedhel: I see. I'll try these. I'm using gnome. |
| 17:27.06 | ma3x | valdyn: ... ? |
| 17:27.19 | valdyn | ma3x: revealing which names he is trying to resolve would easily reveal what he might be doing |
| 17:27.58 | stew | dacs: what do you mean by "opened something blue like pkg manger" ? what command did you run? |
| 17:28.00 | daedhel | Neaai, ok, so addinfg "fusion-icon" to you auto-started programms will add the icon in you tray, and it will also remember you settings when you boot |
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| 17:28.34 | daedhel | Neaai, the icon will also allow to access the "compizconfig-settings-manager" easily if you install it |
| 17:28.38 | dacs | ~aptitude unmarkauto '~q~Rgnome' |
| 17:28.54 | Neaai | daedhel: noted. I'm installing those packages right now |
| 17:29.09 | stew | dacs: there should not be a ~ on the front there and that should be ~i not ~q, sorry |
| 17:29.21 | stew | dacs: but I'd not expect that command to start a package maanager |
| 17:29.54 | ma3x | valdyn: ok but how do i get wireshark to show the detailed information? for example when i turn ettercap dns spoof, i get so many packets in wireshark....... and without ettercap, i get almost nothing only those llmnr packets. do you know how to make wireshark show all packets without arp poisoning? |
| 17:30.22 | valdyn | ma3x: wireshark and ettercap capture exactly the same stuff |
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| 17:30.39 | Neaai | daedhel: I got the configurator. Seems very cool a thing. thanks for the help and hints :) |
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| 17:30.58 | daedhel | Neaai, np :) glad it works |
| 17:31.04 | ma3x | valdyn: no, when wireshark runs on its own, it doesn't spoof dns, therefor it doesn't get all packets. |
| 17:31.29 | zzattack | when I run e2fsck, after a few minute I get "Error1: Corrupt extent header on inode 10756187, Aborted", does this mean the partition is worthless? |
| 17:31.44 | nareshov | heh |
| 17:32.14 | valdyn | ma3x: thats ridiculous, having to use spoof in a lan |
| 17:32.32 | dacs | stew: sudo aptitude unmarkauto '-i~Rgnome' |
| 17:32.43 | ma3x | valdyn: wlan |
| 17:32.50 | stew | dacs: ~i not -i |
| 17:32.57 | valdyn | ma3x: same deal |
| 17:33.07 | stew | dacs: and do the same for gnome-desktop-environment |
| 17:33.10 | valdyn | ma3x: use kismet, grab all traffic |
| 17:33.19 | valdyn | ma3x: if your wlan nic is capable of that |
| 17:33.19 | ma3x | valdyn: well im tell you i start wireshark, and it captures so little info...... as soon as i do ettercap -i wlan0 -T -q -P dns_spoof -M ARP // // i get all the packets in wireshark |
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| 17:33.50 | valdyn | ma3x: yea, sure |
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| 17:34.46 | ToreadorVampire | Can I just confirm that (by default) in lenny there is a line in /etc/hosts.allow that reads "sshd : ALL : allow" ? |
| 17:34.58 | jetpda | !test |
| 17:34.58 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 17:35.20 | ma3x | valdyn: what do you mean by that yeah sure? |
| 17:35.28 | valdyn | ToreadorVampire: no |
| 17:35.29 | cast | ToreadorVampire: not in my lenny install |
| 17:35.34 | valdyn | ma3x: yea, sure spoofing will cause traffic |
| 17:36.00 | ma3x | valdyn: so it enables wireshark to see everything |
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| 17:36.06 | zzattack | when I run e2fsck, after a few minutes I get "Error1: Corrupt extent header on inode 10756187, Aborted", does this mean the partition is worthless? can I somehow get e2fsck to fix the first superblock anyway? |
| 17:36.10 | ma3x | i don't know any other way valdyn |
| 17:36.13 | ToreadorVampire | valdyn, cast> That's very ... very strange then ... because my "virgin lenny installs" via debootstrap are putting that line into hosts.allow :( |
| 17:36.14 | valdyn | ma3x: not everything |
| 17:36.20 | valdyn | ma3x: just what that spoofing caused |
| 17:36.36 | valdyn | ma3x: use kismet, dammit |
| 17:36.39 | ma3x | valdyn: but basically llmnr packets are always sent to 224.0.0.252 |
| 17:36.42 | ma3x | ipv6 i guess |
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| 17:36.52 | cast | ToreadorVampire: hmm, i don't have sshd installed |
| 17:37.14 | valdyn | ToreadorVampire: debootstrap might do something special there, i have no idea |
| 17:37.28 | ToreadorVampire | I wonder if sshd is putting it there then ... |
| 17:37.31 | klbate | Ah, found the problem. I have to add index.aspx to the URL, Apache doesn't map DirectoryIndex to mod_mono. |
| 17:37.45 | Hakadel | Recherche "technicien/ingénieur" Linux (Debian) (travail rémunéré) ! pv me |
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| 17:38.54 | ma3x | valdyn: okay |
| 17:39.00 | ToreadorVampire | Only that - I installed lenny via debootstrap (it's a virtual machine), then installed/configured denyhosts, and denyhosts just didn't function ... I saw the lines being put into hosts.deny but that default rule in hosts.allow was allowing everything |
| 17:39.09 | ToreadorVampire | And I certainly didn't put that hosts.allow line in :s |
| 17:39.34 | valdyn | ToreadorVampire: debootstrap is also used for remote installs |
| 17:39.44 | valdyn | ToreadorVampire: so i think it might be doing this |
| 17:39.52 | ToreadorVampire | Mmm ... yeah ... lessee ... |
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| 17:40.30 | neosmatrix | hi, someone knows a good way to recover all installed packeges after a new installation ? (I would prefer aptitude) |
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| 17:41.08 | stew | neosmatrix: what do you mean by recover? recover from where? |
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| 17:41.31 | xoz | neosmatrix: you want to copy from another machine installed packages? |
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| 17:41.44 | neosmatrix | stew: I want to save a list from all packages which are installed now. |
| 17:41.53 | Debian|AMD | I have a windows issue.... |
| 17:41.56 | xoz | neosmatrix: dpkg --get-selections |
| 17:42.07 | stew | neosmatrix: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 17:42.20 | Debian|AMD | knoppix's partitioning software won't manipulate NTFS to allow me to put linux partitions in |
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| 17:42.29 | Debian|AMD | I've never had it deny me like that before |
| 17:42.52 | stew | Debian|AMD: perhaps ask ##windows or #knoppix |
| 17:42.57 | Debian|AMD | any suggestions for a partitioner that isn't afraid to resize ntfs? |
| 17:43.14 | Debian|AMD | I don't trust people hanging out in a windows channel frankly |
| 17:43.23 | neosmatrix | stew: thx :) |
| 17:43.24 | rki | Lol |
| 17:43.40 | nareshov | Debian|AMD: gparted livecd |
| 17:43.55 | RichiH | any idea how i can force playback to a specific audio device? |
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| 17:44.14 | stew | i was under the impression that parted cannot resize NTFS |
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| 17:44.20 | Debian|AMD | I've used gparted and it didn't accept it |
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| 17:44.34 | Debian|AMD | gparted said it didn't have the capability to resize ntfs |
| 17:44.36 | xoz | ntfs is a pain to resize |
| 17:44.39 | nareshov | strange, i used the latest cd 4 days ago and it worked |
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| 17:44.49 | valdyn | RichiH: using which audio system? |
| 17:44.51 | Debian|AMD | I never had issues with resizing ntfs on other boxes |
| 17:45.01 | stew | yeah, from the parted package description, "detect and remove ...NTFS... but cannot create, resize or check these filesystems yet |
| 17:45.08 | Debian|AMD | I'm running out of cds and patience |
| 17:45.10 | ma3x | valdyn: can't run kismet it doesn't support iwpriv for my wlan |
| 17:45.18 | vlar | hi i try to install a rpm package on dynebolic it told me that i need dependancy with bin/sh what should i do i'm a newbie |
| 17:45.19 | nareshov | did you read the logs? it must've asked you to run a errorcheck on windows |
| 17:45.21 | valdyn | RichiH: this is only really nicely solved if you use pulseaudio |
| 17:45.40 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/30905/ |
| 17:45.45 | valdyn | ma3x: it? you mean your wlan nic doesnt support monitor mode? |
| 17:45.49 | nareshov | stew: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php |
| 17:45.55 | RichiH | valdyn: alsa |
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| 17:46.21 | valdyn | RichiH: so you have to do it per app or via ~/.asoundrc, the !default device |
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| 17:46.25 | valdyn | !asoundrc |
| 17:46.31 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 17:46.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 17:46.43 | valdyn | RichiH: theres some examples ^^ |
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| 17:46.59 | ma3x | valdyn: it supports monitor mode, but i'd have to disable the wlan0 first and then only monitor, meaning internet would drop |
| 17:47.07 | valdyn | RichiH: but this is certainly not neat |
| 17:47.26 | Siegfried | daedhel, i've setup clamav-milter, it works great thx :D |
| 17:47.37 | Siegfried | however i've setup also a whitelist but it ignores it |
| 17:47.46 | KIAaze | daedhel, I figured it out: the boot flag on /dev/sda1 wasn't set. The kind of thing that happens when you do full manual partitioning for the first time... ^^' |
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| 17:48.01 | daedhel | Siegfried, ok great! |
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| 17:48.06 | valdyn | RichiH: mind, dmix has nothign to do with this, those examples just show how a default device is defined too |
| 17:48.24 | elik | I have a few "aptitude" questions: is there any way to undo the previous operation? |
| 17:48.29 | Siegfried | OPTIONS="--max-children=2 -ol --whitelist-file=/etc/clamav/whitelist" |
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| 17:48.54 | xoz | elik: what operation? |
| 17:49.12 | daedhel | KIAaze, ok! great! and don't do the same mistake I did when I set 2 flags, on 2 different partition (windows, and linux) it just doesn't work |
| 17:49.13 | Theoden | What needs to be installed to get nautilus to preview sounds files? |
| 17:49.30 | stew | afaict, .asoundrc is something that has no documentations, just lots of examples, and none of them actually do what you are looking for |
| 17:49.48 | avu | so very true :( |
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| 17:50.27 | elik | xoz, I want to install something from sid using pinning (aptitude install gnome-do/unstable), but that is likely to break stuff (libgtk2 need to be update and libglig2) |
| 17:50.51 | xand | any ideas why my lenny machine would always ask me to enter root password or press ctrl-d to continue when it boots? there is no error message beforehand, and it works fine if I ctrl-d |
| 17:51.04 | elik | xoz, so I'd like to give that operation a try, see if/what breaks, and undo operation (downgrade libglig..... and all) |
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| 17:51.20 | lymeca | Okay I have found a fuse bug, or a bug in the Debian fuse package at least. Adding the command line switch -o allow_other opens the mounted directory up to ANY user on the client system, even read/write/execute for users who according to the umask should have NONE. |
| 17:51.21 | ma3x | valdyn: i've put iwlagn,wlan0,mon0 in /etc/kismet/kismet.conf but it says FATAL: Unknown capture source type 'wlan0' in source 'wlan0,mon0,iwlagn' |
| 17:51.31 | xoz | elik: downgrade is not well-supported. only upgrade |
| 17:51.35 | lymeca | But taking away -o allow_other makes it that NO other user can do ANYTHING, even root! Total extreme opposites, and I need a middle ground. Any suggestions? |
| 17:52.09 | elik | xoz, sad puppy :( |
| 17:52.11 | xoz | xand: one of the scripts in /etc/init.d/ |
| 17:52.37 | xoz | elik: use virtualbox or any virtualization to experiment with sid |
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| 17:54.00 | elik | xoz, hum, yeah, I don't really want to use sid, just wanted to "backport" some packages from sid... gnome-do 0.4.2 on testing just isn't worth it, while gnome-do 0.8.1 (latest release) is well worth it |
| 17:54.34 | daedhel | elik, if you ever want to try sid, I strongly suggest Sidux, as breaking of dependencies happens much less frequently |
| 17:54.37 | elik | xoz, so I was thinking maybe I could burn a few steps if it worked for me, but libgtk2 is pretty core to be unable to downgrade |
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| 17:56.12 | xoz | elik: if you know what you're doing and you have backup plan like having another partition with another debian, you can experiment... but always have a way to access and fix your system |
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| 17:57.13 | elik | xoz, yeah, I don't really backup that way.. so I think I'll just wait :) kinda sad that downgrade doesn't work so well though... |
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| 17:57.49 | dondelelcaro | elik: it's pretty much impossible to reliably support downgrading |
| 17:57.51 | elik | daedhel, sidux is a sort of fork off sid? |
| 17:57.57 | dondelelcaro | elik: that said, it often works in some cases |
| 17:57.57 | daedhel | elik, What i do to kkep my stuuf backed up, is that I always have a separate partition for /home |
| 17:58.04 | pertain | xand: just guessing: do you boot with the option "single"? |
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| 17:58.45 | elik | dondelelcaro, I don't see what is so hard... but I guess if it doesn't work, there is a reason |
| 17:59.06 | daedhel | elik, it's not really a fork, as Ubuntu can be a fork of debian, it really is Sid, but with enhancements |
| 17:59.07 | elik | dondelelcaro, when you install stuff, you know what you modify, if you save that info, you can "unpatch" |
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| 17:59.27 | xoz | elik: as long as the affected packages are no the essential part of OS like essential libs for the kernel... |
| 17:59.33 | elik | daedhel, fair enough, anyway, I'm fine with testing, there was just this one package :) |
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| 18:00.04 | elik | xoz, right, if the system is not functionnal, it's harder to recover it from within :) |
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| 18:00.12 | amikrop | Hello. Some time I found a package that let me change the brightness of my webcam, but now I can't find it. Any help, please? |
| 18:00.15 | daedhel | elik, great. purging it and reinstalling the testing package wouldn't do it? |
| 18:00.19 | xoz | elik: you can break X or gnome... as long as you can have the shell, it is ok to fix things. |
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| 18:01.03 | xoz | amikrop: apt-cache search webcam... and check anything familiar |
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| 18:01.44 | amikrop | xoz: Actually it wan't in the repositories... |
| 18:01.46 | bertodsera | hi all! Does anyone know how long it takes to import debian keyring? It seems to be stuck |
| 18:01.49 | amikrop | * wasn't |
| 18:01.57 | amikrop | xoz: But thanks, anyway. |
| 18:02.14 | elik | xoz, right, that's pretty much what I was thinking |
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| 18:02.53 | xoz | elik: it will be safe if you dualboot stable and sid... sharing the same homedir |
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| 18:03.58 | Kuifje111 | when i use top it doesnt show all running applications, how do I view them all? |
| 18:04.25 | xoz | Kuifje111: real-time? |
| 18:04.40 | Kuifje111 | yes |
| 18:04.40 | bertodsera | Kuifje111: ps -A? |
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| 18:05.10 | xoz | htop |
| 18:05.16 | Kuifje111 | ok, it seems to show all applications |
| 18:05.24 | Kuifje111 | but why does it consume so much RAM? |
| 18:05.30 | Kuifje111 | Mem: 646108k total, 639272k used, 6836k free, 8936k buffers |
| 18:05.40 | Kuifje111 | i haven't got an x server running |
| 18:05.44 | Kuifje111 | only a torrent client |
| 18:05.55 | merlincorey | then it must have a lot in memory, eh, Kuifje111? |
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| 18:06.06 | Kuifje111 | ah, i see |
| 18:06.12 | nareshov | lolwut @ narkotikapolisen |
| 18:06.21 | nareshov | police? |
| 18:06.23 | Kuifje111 | unix handles the RAM differently than unix? |
| 18:06.24 | xoz | Kuifje111: linux OS maximizes in-memory caching |
| 18:06.26 | Kuifje111 | windows* |
| 18:06.37 | Kuifje111 | I see |
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| 18:06.46 | Kuifje111 | good to know, didnt know that |
| 18:06.53 | cast | xoz: it's fine to just say linux, not linux OS, there |
| 18:06.57 | xoz | Kuifje111: make use of idle rams and spaces |
| 18:07.28 | neosmatrix | Does the weekly build debian testing dvd still has kernel 2.6.26 ? I cannot find any info about the kernel version in it. |
| 18:07.40 | OpenTokix | neosmatrix: sid has 2.6.28 now |
| 18:07.41 | xoz | cast: linux kernel vs linux OS |
| 18:08.06 | xoz | i think i should say linux kernel |
| 18:08.14 | neosmatrix | OpenTokix: and ext4 support ? :) |
| 18:08.30 | OpenTokix | neosmatrix: I think so |
| 18:08.31 | amphi | neosmatrix: testing still has .26, according to apt-cache |
| 18:08.46 | OpenTokix | neosmatrix: and kde4 for yuor bleeding edge people =) |
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| 18:09.07 | elik | xoz, as for the score, what does it represent??? I had -10, other -70 -9000, are there any plusses? |
| 18:09.43 | xoz | elik: you mean priority? |
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| 18:10.17 | elik | xoz, no, aptitude score for conflict resolution |
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| 18:10.58 | xoz | elik: it is heuristic. |
| 18:11.01 | neosmatrix | OpenTokix: :D I use kde 4 since release and I am really happy with it. thx for info |
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| 18:11.18 | SerajewelKS | why would rsync complete a copy of a directory, but when i run it again, it thinks everything is dirty and re-copies it all? |
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| 18:11.31 | OpenTokix | neosmatrix: ofc. you do |
| 18:11.33 | xoz | SerajewelKS: what fs? |
| 18:11.46 | icebrain | neosmatrix: ext4 support hasn't been included in the utilities like "mount", AFAIK. At least I run Sid and my kernel complains it's running in ext4dev compatibility mode |
| 18:11.47 | merlincorey | SerajewelKS: just guessing, but maybe it couldn't store the file it keeps the file listing in |
| 18:11.58 | SerajewelKS | xoz: copying from ntfs to ext3 |
| 18:12.46 | xoz | SerajewelKS: maybe the metadata are changing or not copied/created correctly |
| 18:12.52 | elik | xoz, ok, and higher the better, less than 0 can break system??? |
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| 18:13.13 | neosmatrix | icebrain: hmm I need ext4 in the installer because all my partitions are ext4 formated already (exept /boot). |
| 18:13.44 | neosmatrix | icebrain: I have no problem with "mount -t ext4" |
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| 18:14.01 | unique | www.petmania.ca |
| 18:14.53 | icebrain | neosmatrix: no? strange, I couldn't do it, maybe it was added since then, but it wasn't so long ago |
| 18:15.17 | pickcoder | I think there should be a channel set up on here that has a few hundred DDoS bots which attack on spam prompt... heh |
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| 18:16.42 | SerajewelKS | xoz: seems so, -c seems to make it happy but since it's a local rsync this doesn't really improve performance much |
| 18:17.32 | xoz | elik: i think more positive or higher, lesser conflict |
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| 18:18.00 | neosmatrix | icebrain: I first mounted my ext3 partiotions with "mount -t ext3 -o extends" (some time ago). Then I could mount them with "-t ext4". I formated my partitions after 2.6.28 came out with ext4. I never used ext4-dev. |
| 18:18.15 | xoz | elik: it is really a complex problem to consider multi-packages conflicting... |
| 18:18.34 | elik | xoz, yeah, I see that :) |
| 18:18.36 | xoz | elik: always accept with caution. aptitude scoring is not perfect and sometimes weird |
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| 18:19.11 | maligor | err.. ext3 doesn't support extents |
| 18:19.31 | maligor | or what does -o extends do? |
| 18:19.54 | neosmatrix | maligor: after this command you can't mount your ext3 partitions with ext3 anymore. |
| 18:20.01 | maligor | ofcourse now what I prod my brain a little, tune2fs is used to enable fs features, not -o |
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| 18:21.07 | LemensTS | how do i find a hostname by ip address? |
| 18:21.08 | neosmatrix | maligor: IMHO I never used tune2fs, OR I can't remember it :) |
| 18:21.11 | valdyn | neosmatrix: why do you need a fresh install at all? |
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| 18:21.48 | xoz | LemensTS: host ip |
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| 18:22.54 | perlypoo | tunefs sounds like tuna fish |
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| 18:23.15 | neosmatrix | valdyn: 1 of my raid drives had an unrecoverable I/O read error. the backup I used was not complete. Now my depencies are messed up and some other functions like php-mysql or aptitude doesn't work anymore |
| 18:23.22 | xoz | resize2fs works |
| 18:23.35 | valdyn | neosmatrix: use debootstrap? |
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| 18:24.00 | neosmatrix | valdyn: never heard of debootstrap |
| 18:24.03 | valdyn | neosmatrix: that makes use of whatever custom kernel easier anyway |
| 18:24.20 | valdyn | neosmatrix: you bootstrap debian from a live system |
| 18:24.22 | arvind_khadri | hi, i am using xfce, wanted to make iceweasel the default browser when i click upon a link in IRC |
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| 18:24.52 | merlincorey | !tell arvind_khadri about alternatives |
| 18:25.09 | obfuscatr | anyone give me a hand with making gnome on debian support the resolution of my screen (through virtualbox) ? i've been fiddling with xorg.conf, but no success so far. |
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| 18:25.38 | valdyn | neosmatrix: however repairing might be easy too, relatively |
| 18:25.57 | valdyn | neosmatrix: all the tools needed are there, just dpkg, aptitude, debsums |
| 18:26.19 | valdyn | neosmatrix: and backups of aptitude / dpkg databases |
| 18:26.33 | xoz | arvind_khadri: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 18:26.49 | arvind_khadri | xoz, thanks |
| 18:27.17 | neosmatrix | not for me :) apt-get --install aptitude doesn't work. I hope I can paste 3 lines here:) |
| 18:27.18 | xoz | obfuscatr: install virtualbox additions |
| 18:27.36 | xoz | obfuscatr: and compile its module for your screen support |
| 18:27.36 | neosmatrix | valdyn: may I ? |
| 18:27.44 | valdyn | neosmatrix: so use apt-get instead of aptitude |
| 18:27.51 | neosmatrix | aptitude: Hängt ab: apt-xapian-index soll aber nicht installiert werden |
| 18:27.53 | neosmatrix | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.54 | neosmatrix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:28.05 | valdyn | neosmatrix: or fix the broken tools by install broken packages with dpkg |
| 18:28.14 | xoz | obfuscatr: the additions are in the main menu i think. it will be mounted as a cdrom image |
| 18:28.14 | valdyn | neosmatrix: or fix the broken tools by reinstalling the broken packages with dpkg |
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| 18:28.33 | neosmatrix | valdyn: I tried it already :) |
| 18:28.46 | obfuscatr | xoz: main menu? |
| 18:28.56 | xoz | obfuscatr: virtualbox main menu |
| 18:29.06 | xoz | obfuscatr: look for additions |
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| 18:29.41 | obfuscatr | ah, cool! |
| 18:30.16 | ewet | hi, is there a bash command to randomize a string to get an anagram? (like strfry) |
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| 18:30.43 | xoz | obfuscatr: you need to download the kernel headers to build the supporting modules and reboot. goto terminal and cd to the mounted additions dir... run the command VirtualBoxAdditions.bin i think |
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| 18:31.06 | valdyn | ewet: apt-cache search anagram |
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| 18:31.32 | xoz | ewet: ruby or python regular expression. |
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| 18:32.10 | amikrop | xoz: The utility I was looking for, is v4l2ucp. |
| 18:32.20 | amikrop | xoz: Just for reference. ;-) |
| 18:32.27 | ewet | valdyn: I only see kanagram - not really what I want |
| 18:32.28 | xoz | obfuscatr: after reboot, you can now have an automatic sreen resolution even if you resize your screen anytime. |
| 18:32.41 | valdyn | ewet: and you dont see wordplay? |
| 18:32.50 | ewet | xoz: yeah I already thought of implementing it myself but i wanted to ask before i do ;-) |
| 18:33.03 | ewet | valdyn: nope ... :-/ |
| 18:33.06 | xoz | amikrop: that is difficult to memorize. not familiar thing to retain in the neurons. |
| 18:33.14 | valdyn | !judd: versions wordplay |
| 18:33.17 | valdyn | judd: versions wordplay |
| 18:33.18 | judd | valdyn: wordplay -- etch: 7.22-17 lenny: 7.22-17 sid: 7.22-17 squeeze: 7.22-17 |
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| 18:33.25 | valdyn | ewet: so youre not on debian? |
| 18:33.25 | amikrop | xoz: :P |
| 18:33.43 | amikrop | xoz: I know, I have to save it as a note somewhere. :P |
| 18:34.20 | amikrop | xoz: Or I have to create an alias names webcamsettings so I can find it with webcam<tab>. |
| 18:34.26 | amikrop | * named |
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| 18:34.39 | ewet | valdyn: no i wasn't sure - i just didn't see it |
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| 18:35.18 | ewet | valdyn: however my alias is linked to aptitude not apt-cache so both searches might work different? |
| 18:35.33 | xoz | !an |
| 18:35.34 | dpkg | i guess an is a very fast anagram generator. |
| 18:35.36 | valdyn | ewet: yea, works different |
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| 18:36.16 | ewet | that might explain it |
| 18:37.07 | xoz | aptitude search is slow... maybe no indexing? |
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| 18:40.25 | JyZyXEL | how do you check if a bootable USB disk is bootable without actually trying to boot into it? |
| 18:41.02 | dkr | I think this calls for a "hey dawg" |
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| 18:41.07 | JyZyXEL | loll |
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| 18:41.28 | sacfnac | hi |
| 18:41.36 | JyZyXEL | maybe vmware or virtualbox can help? |
| 18:41.38 | RichiH | /lc/sb goto 18:46:21 |
| 18:41.40 | RichiH | valdyn: re |
| 18:41.45 | RichiH | let me read through your examples |
| 18:41.51 | sacfnac | gnome volume manager doesn't let other users mount usb removalbe storage? |
| 18:41.53 | xoz | apt-ache is around 1mb while aptitude is 3mb |
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| 18:42.01 | ewet | valdyn, xoz: thanks for help an might be the one i use :) |
| 18:42.20 | valdyn | RichiH: hmm? |
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| 18:43.05 | xoz | sacfnac: what do you mean? it does |
| 18:43.36 | bertodsera | Problem with apt-get update. http://pastebin.com/m779e61f5 It worked quite well, so far, but after mixing stuff from stable and stuff from sid all of a sudden it doesn't wanna update anymore |
| 18:43.40 | obfuscatr | xoz: thanks, reboot after guest-additions install is automatically in correct res |
| 18:43.45 | bertodsera | I have the debian-keyring installed |
| 18:43.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hi I am having a weird problem. My cd rom is not auto mounted under gnome. And everytime I have to click on the DVD RW icon under "Computer" then its mounted and appears in the desktop |
| 18:43.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | any solutions? |
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| 18:43.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | using gnome 2.22 under unstable |
| 18:44.13 | voodoor | If I want to install lenny using a software RAID 1 partitioning scheme do I have to have a separate, non-RAID /boot partition or is that just advised? |
| 18:44.22 | valdyn | voodoor: no |
| 18:44.25 | xoz | obfuscatr: and your mouse can hover in and out... and you can adjust the size... it can automatically adjust the resolution which is very cool |
| 18:44.36 | valdyn | voodoor: its not advised and you dont need it |
| 18:45.27 | valdyn | voodoor: just make /boot an extra raid with the 2 partitions as members |
| 18:45.49 | valdyn | voodoor: or whole / |
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| 18:46.00 | voodoor | valdyn: OK, thanks. Don't know where I got that idea. I presumed grub might not be able to boot the kernel if it was on a software RAID partition |
| 18:46.07 | RichiH | valdyn: the sound stuff |
| 18:46.09 | valdyn | voodoor: important thing is that /boot is on a raid that has partitions as members |
| 18:46.36 | valdyn | voodoor: if sda1 is a raid1 member its usable as plain sda1 too |
| 18:46.50 | valdyn | voodoor: and thats what grub does |
| 18:46.55 | gnewb | Hello, fresh install of this Debian5, DVD, is SELinux suggested or any other security stuff? |
| 18:47.28 | xoz | notes that debian inside virtualbox is almost as fast as the debian host. only no 3d acceleration for the graphics. |
| 18:47.43 | cast | gnewb: depends who you ask, selinux isn't exactly trivial to deploy |
| 18:47.48 | maligor | gnewb, SELinux is pretty nice if you have services exported to a network |
| 18:48.01 | maligor | but yeah, it's a pita to configure |
| 18:48.05 | voodoor | xoz: latest virtualbox is supposed to support accelerated 3D in Linux guests now I hear |
| 18:48.26 | gnewb | Thank you. I leave it alone, for now |
| 18:48.30 | xoz | voodoor: that is something to look forward :) |
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| 18:49.14 | maligor | voodoor, so no need to virtualize windows anymore, now you can run linux in virtualbox and use wine! ... hmm.. doesn't make much sense |
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| 18:50.03 | voodoor | freaky stuff eh? |
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| 18:50.40 | gnewb | Is that Sun Virtual thing not suggested? |
| 18:50.44 | voodoor | Wonder if Sun will improve if big blue buys em? |
| 18:51.10 | xoz | gnewb: virtualbox was brought by Sun... and they have opensource version |
| 18:51.18 | voodoor | or will it be the end of solaris? |
| 18:51.48 | cast | voodoor: seeing as opensolaris exists, i don't see that disappearing over night |
| 18:52.05 | xoz | solaris is still a good OS. many cool features. and Sun kernel hackers are really good. only Sun business people sucks :) maybe. |
| 18:52.09 | voodoor | course not, but couldn't I |
| 18:52.19 | gnewb | xoz: Thank you, I saw it as open source and stuff, I did not take the time to read any GPL/GNU stuff. |
| 18:52.22 | voodoor | IBM potentially change the licensing of solaris |
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| 18:52.39 | maligor | IBM Solaris! |
| 18:52.39 | voodoor | to GPL so Linux could 'borrow' all the best bits? |
| 18:52.47 | CoolCold | ibm buys sun? |
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| 18:53.31 | xoz | gnewb: originally, it is not owned by Sun...but virtualbox seems to be a good virtual tech... so Sun bought it. |
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| 18:54.00 | cast | voodoor: or opensolaris could borrow all the best bits of linux, works both ways! |
| 18:54.38 | xoz | that's the essence of sharing |
| 18:54.48 | xoz | not pirating :) |
| 18:55.53 | xoz | goes to bed |
| 18:56.00 | gnewb | Well I do not have any wimdoze disks left on this box, so wine and whatnot is sense less, I am often called on to assist others that have windoze and I like to assist when I am able to. |
| 18:56.40 | voodoor | I wish opensolaris the best- its got real FOSS cred with Mr Murdock backing it but I can't see many Linux users switching to Solaris as I can't see solaris ever catching up to Linux in hardware support and thatn the main reason why I prefer (Debian/GNU) Linux over BSD or Solaris |
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| 18:57.18 | maligor | and not the fact that solaris is painful to use? |
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| 18:57.29 | cast | i don't buy weird hw, so never have any problems in anything with hw support :) |
| 18:57.32 | maligor | atleast compared to the fancy automata debian and friends have |
| 18:57.44 | zzattack | when I run e2fsck, after a few minutes I get "Error1: Corrupt extent header on inode 10756187, Aborted", does this mean the partition is worthless? can I somehow get e2fsck to fix my disk? |
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| 18:58.04 | maligor | zzattack, ext4 huh? |
| 18:58.24 | zzattack | maligor: yeah. |
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| 18:58.33 | zzattack | I have no idea why i switched.. |
| 18:58.53 | bertodsera | why wouldn't update see the .gpg file on the source, if the file is actually there? Just checked |
| 18:58.55 | gnewb | It's NEW! |
| 18:58.58 | maligor | well, it has better performance and extents |
| 18:59.06 | sacfnac | xoz: I mean, I logged in in gdm as another user |
| 18:59.15 | sacfnac | I don't have permission to access /media |
| 18:59.25 | zzattack | yeah, that was my reason. but compatibility still sucks, at least until distros start shipping with 2.6.27 |
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| 18:59.38 | voodoor | There a command that can display progress bars in a terminal for whatever it is you're processing/ copying/ doing- anyone know what its called? |
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| 19:01.02 | gnewb | My name is gnewb, so I do not know, TOP? |
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| 19:01.34 | zzattack | maligor, any idea? |
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| 19:01.53 | cast | voodoor: cstream? |
| 19:02.32 | maligor | zzattack, no, e2fsck manpage doesn't provide anything enlightening insights |
| 19:02.59 | zzattack | indeed. only thing I could think of is compiling the newest version from e2fsprogs.sf.net |
| 19:03.14 | gnewb | Let me get the packages and stuff that I like to work with, electronics and stuff, I thank you kindly for the advice and assistance. |
| 19:03.53 | voodoor | cast: not entirely sure thats the one but cstream sounds great and the sorta thing I'nm talking about so I'll check it out thanks! |
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| 19:04.10 | cast | voodoor: pv, too |
| 19:04.39 | voodoor | cast: Yeah thats sounds like it |
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| 19:06.41 | voodoor | pipe viewer! What a name! :D |
| 19:06.45 | valdyn | voodoor: gtkdialog - GUI-creation command-line utility based on GTK+ library |
| 19:06.56 | ninjaslim | wow i'm very impressed by Debian, even thought I love BSD, Debian is pretty much makes me throw away every gripe i had about linux |
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| 19:07.32 | voodoor | ninjaslim: Debian is The Great Work of the Digital Age |
| 19:07.34 | cast | debian *isn't* linux, hell you can use your freebsd kernel |
| 19:08.00 | ninjaslim | cast: i use FreeBSD for other reasons |
| 19:08.00 | valdyn | ninjaslim: how so? |
| 19:08.24 | valdyn | ninjaslim: i mean, what did you stumble over that impressed you like that? |
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| 19:08.59 | ninjaslim | valdyn: management is just as easy as it is on FreeBSD, plain and simply put, all the other distros i went through broke over time |
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| 19:09.33 | voodoor | Is there a reason for capping users in the channel? |
| 19:09.41 | zzattack | valdyn: you helped me a couple of days ago, I had 100% system load on copying files between disks, the 'fix' was settings the controller to AHCI mode in the bios |
| 19:09.46 | valdyn | voodoor: its not really capped |
| 19:10.00 | valdyn | voodoor: flooding prevention is the reason i guess |
| 19:10.00 | voodoor | OK |
| 19:10.18 | zzattack | valdyn: since I did that I've had two great disk crashes. One where fsck put nearly everything back in lost and found. tonight, there were errors and the filesystem was remounted read-only |
| 19:10.26 | valdyn | voodoor: debhelper tunes the limit just avoiding to many joins at once |
| 19:10.48 | sacfnac | is there a group users need to be in to be able to open /media and gnome-volume-mounted drives?? |
| 19:10.57 | valdyn | zzattack: hmm, that should not be related |
| 19:10.59 | zzattack | valdyn: another fsck run totally messed up my one disk completely, the other one was in pretty good state in lost+found. |
| 19:11.19 | valdyn | zzattack: the ahci driver should be the best sata driver that exists in linux |
| 19:11.35 | valdyn | zzattack: ( because its the most widely used one ) |
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| 19:11.58 | valdyn | zzattack: howd you get those disk crashes? |
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| 19:12.21 | zzattack | valdyn: I have no idea. this night I left on one bittorent download, that's it |
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| 19:12.45 | valdyn | zzattack: your filesystem is ext3? |
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| 19:12.57 | zzattack | valdyn: yes |
| 19:13.17 | zzattack | although the one that crashed had one partition mounted as ext3 and one as ext43 |
| 19:13.20 | zzattack | ext4*, sorry |
| 19:13.27 | valdyn | sacfnac: gnome mounts this for you |
| 19:13.42 | valdyn | sacfnac: if multiple users on the same physical machine run gnome then this does not work nicely |
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| 19:14.38 | valdyn | zzattack: ext4 is more in danger on crashes, in its default settings |
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| 19:15.04 | voodoor | Are there any photos of the Deborah after which Debian derived its name? Wasn't it Ian's gf or wife? |
| 19:15.30 | valdyn | zzattack: but your symptoms are either a severe bug in linux or faulty power supply / power outage |
| 19:15.47 | valdyn | zzattack: more than just loss of power but gradual loss of power |
| 19:16.20 | pickcoder | zzattack: do you see lots of I/O errors in dmesg? |
| 19:16.22 | zzattack | valdyn: the PSU that's in it is supposed to be top notch :( |
| 19:16.29 | valdyn | zzattack: not the psu |
| 19:16.35 | valdyn | zzattack: the power net |
| 19:16.47 | valdyn | zzattack: and just cutting power doesnt do much usually |
| 19:16.58 | zzattack | pickcoder: what's a lot? I see them now and then, like a 10 a day or so, but I don't look a lot for it |
| 19:17.17 | valdyn | zzattack: that means broken disk physically |
| 19:20.17 | sacfnac | valdyn: how can I set it to one user only |
| 19:20.21 | zzattack | valdyn: I just grabbed the newest e2fsprogs release from sourceforge, and it seems to do a lot better than the previous version. At least it hasn't aborted after a minute. |
| 19:20.22 | sacfnac | I mean there is several users |
| 19:20.26 | sacfnac | but this one is the main one |
| 19:20.34 | sacfnac | so g-v-m works nicely |
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| 19:22.57 | litwol | hello |
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| 19:24.46 | litwol | what are the exact kernel version digits for debian 5.0 ? |
| 19:24.54 | litwol | linux-2.6 2.6.18-3 ? |
| 19:24.58 | litwol | linux-2.6 2.6.22 ? |
| 19:25.10 | Kuifje111 | 2.6.26 |
| 19:25.16 | ninjaslim | i have one question, how can i delete kernels that i don't use? |
| 19:25.25 | litwol | great |
| 19:25.26 | litwol | thanks |
| 19:25.41 | Kuifje111 | thats for lenny |
| 19:25.55 | litwol | trying to find out how to install debian on macbook pro |
| 19:26.13 | litwol | wiki says 2.6.22 (and i'm assuming up) should work out of the box |
| 19:26.23 | Kuifje111 | 2.6.26-1 |
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| 19:33.23 | abrotman | ninjaslim: just like any other package |
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| 19:43.27 | remont | hi, i have problem installing a lenny with lvm2, it fail when is booting it let me on initramfs shell, how can i solve this bugs problem??? |
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| 19:52.13 | patrick-1 | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 19:52.16 | patrick-1 | any idea on that one? |
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| 19:52.38 | stew | patrick-1: aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 19:56.30 | a133x | hello people, does anyone know where I can find gnome-keyring-sharp-1.0? or a package that might contain GNOME_KEYRING_SHARP. Im trying to build latest gnome-do and it stalls there and I cant find that package anywhere |
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| 20:02.43 | skx | Hello, I am trying to configure openvpn server and when I change server 10.8.0.0 255.255.255.0 to server 172.17.29.0 255.255.255.0 clients cannot access the Internet (as in other machines than the openvpn server) through the vpn |
| 20:02.58 | skx | I'm guessing there is some NAT autoconfigured somewhere |
| 20:03.00 | skx | where to look? |
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| 20:06.09 | sebbs_ | could somebody recommend me a lightweight httpd? |
| 20:06.25 | donspaulding | is it normal for e2fsck to stop responding after "Clone multiply-claimed blocks<y>? yes" (for a long period of time that is, over 20 minutes now) |
| 20:07.21 | sebbs_ | e2fsck can take a astonishingly long time to run sometimes. dont know about your specific issue, but give it time i would say. |
| 20:07.48 | donspaulding | sebbs_: thanks, have you seen lighttpd? |
| 20:09.01 | donspaulding | is it ok for me to kill the e2fsck process and restart it? |
| 20:10.49 | zzattack | donspaulding: it's usually safe, but the same will probably happen when you rescan |
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| 20:11.33 | luke1704 | hello all |
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| 20:11.43 | donspaulding | zzattack: hrm, well it's not even responding to ^c, so methinks it's prolly locked up |
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| 20:13.19 | donspaulding | hah! it just unfroze and detected my Ctrl-c 10 minutes later, so it was still working after all |
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| 20:13.56 | shellito | has someone tried ext4? |
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| 20:14.08 | margiolas | hello i need a debian 4 iso any link? |
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| 20:15.12 | miamiam | Hi, I want to link a lot of people on my facebook, add me at Pascal Parret ! |
| 20:15.13 | margiolas | hello i need a debian 4 iso any link? |
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| 20:15.47 | luke1704 | Does anybody know how to extend authentication time using Debian? I have a lot of break-in attempts to my computer all the time... |
| 20:15.47 | donspaulding | margiolas: no need to repeat yourself every 30 seconds |
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| 20:15.52 | gschwepp | ask google :D |
| 20:15.56 | gschwepp | hes a nice guy |
| 20:16.00 | gschwepp | just knows much |
| 20:16.12 | coz_ | luka, http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 20:16.13 | ehazlett | does debian 5.0 support the latest apple xserve? are there any hardware issues? |
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| 20:17.36 | luke1704 | coz_, ? |
| 20:18.14 | Bryanstein | luke1704, how would that fix your problem? |
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| 20:19.03 | luke1704 | it would take longer for them to apply their scripts on my ssh port |
| 20:19.24 | luke1704 | maybe I increase time to 5 hours |
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| 20:19.29 | Bryanstein | no luke that is not true lol |
| 20:19.37 | Bryanstein | install "denyhosts" and be happy |
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| 20:19.54 | Bryanstein | that will put the offenders in the /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 20:20.12 | luke1704 | ah, nice to hear |
| 20:20.13 | _cpo_ | hi, im using debian-arm and wanted to know if thers a crosstoolchain availible for x86 to build for debian-arm? |
| 20:20.18 | luke1704 | thank you! |
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| 20:21.32 | luke1704 | apt-get install denyhost? |
| 20:21.38 | Bryanstein | denyhosts |
| 20:21.55 | luke1704 | ok, thanks again |
| 20:22.03 | Sazpaimon_ | if the root harddrive fails to mount, how do I get the sytem to reboot into the failsafe entry in grub |
| 20:22.14 | Sazpaimon_ | it'd need to be done automatically, since i only have root access |
| 20:22.33 | Sazpaimon_ | erm |
| 20:22.33 | Sazpaimon_ | it'd need to be done automatically, since i only have remote access |
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| 20:24.03 | cayres | anyone here familiar with logcheck's ignore regex? I see in /etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server there is ^\w{3} [ :0-9]{11} [._[:alnum:]-]+ syslogd [.0-9]{5}#[0-9]+: restart \(remote reception\)\.$ but im still recieving email every hour with Mar 14 06:25:25 hostX syslogd 1.4.1#17ubuntu7: restart. |
| 20:24.03 | cayres | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:24.38 | Neaai | Hi all. I just stumled on this: http://www.programmerfish.com/roffice-2007-in-linux The article is for Ubuntu, but how difficult can it be to have such instructions for Debian lenny? I'm sure a lot of people will be interested in that. |
| 20:25.10 | Neaai | s/stumled/stumbled |
| 20:25.12 | cayres | erm.. sorry should probably ask in ubuntu for this particular machine |
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| 20:25.58 | Bryanstein | Neaai, I'd just run openoffice personally but by the looks of it..it should work exactly the same for Debian and Ubuntu |
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| 20:26.43 | Bryanstein | Neaai, no wait...let me see something |
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| 20:26.53 | Neaai | Bryanstein: I know what you mean and I feel the same. But I can witness the rash reality of people whining "I'm used to Excel and Word", to the point I'd stalk them to death.. :/ |
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| 20:29.30 | negge | how come there's no "ntpd" package in the Debian repositories? How am I supposed to install the NTP server that keeps the time correct? |
| 20:29.31 | Bryanstein | Neaai, that part where it grabs the sources.list from wine...it would need to be a Debian repo instead...which they might have...you could use the Ubuntu stuff but you might have to do some extra things to make it work |
| 20:30.07 | valdyn | Neaai: the first 2 green lines are different, thats all |
| 20:30.22 | Bryanstein | its ntp |
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| 20:30.37 | Bryanstein | but realize negge that won't install ntdate |
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| 20:30.48 | valdyn | judd: versions wine |
| 20:30.49 | judd | valdyn: wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1 etch-backports: 1.0-rc1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.0.1-1 sid: 1.0.1-1 squeeze: 1.0.1-1 experimental: 1.1.15-1 |
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| 20:32.07 | l403 | hi. what is used to connect to cameras over usb? when I connect it a message pops up if I want to get picturers fom camera but thhen nnothing happens |
| 20:32.09 | Neaai | Bryanstein: Valdyn: I understand. I can see to run some tests, but frankly I don't feel able enough to sort any technicalities that might arise. I'm much of a user and almost none at all a developer. But in these coming days I'll find some time to test anything I will be able to. |
| 20:32.27 | l403 | I donn teven know what its trying to launch |
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| 20:32.39 | valdyn | Neaai: i very much doubt youd want to do production work in office in wine |
| 20:32.51 | valdyn | Neaai: its not likely that it would run nicely |
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| 20:32.57 | Bryanstein | valdyn, is right |
| 20:32.58 | valdyn | Neaai: for all i know about wine |
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| 20:33.30 | valdyn | Neaai: so use openoffice or if you insist on using ms office, especially as a non-technical person you want to run windows |
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| 20:34.14 | Bryanstein | if your system has enough ram, just install windows in a virtual machine like qemu or virtualbox |
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| 20:35.04 | Bryanstein | negge, you found it right? |
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| 20:35.51 | Neaai | valdyn: I get your point. But I'd give it a try anyhow. I'm not in a hurry. The idea is that I want to do this thing on an 'application server' where users connect via ltsp. Having a small icon on the desktop that says "Excel" is just... good. :D |
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| 20:36.36 | valdyn | Neaai: that kind of implies that you have competent support on site |
| 20:37.01 | Neaai | valdyn: what do you mean ? |
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| 20:37.36 | valdyn | Neaai: an app server failing is costs as much as all peoples single computers working with it failing |
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| 20:39.28 | Neaai | valdyn: that's true. But I'm testing this application server for 2 weeks so far with 3 test-pilot clients, with debian software only of course, and it works just right and good. The only thing is I have to endure the 'normal people' when they cry "This is different than Excel!" |
| 20:39.52 | valdyn | Neaai: anyhow, follow that ubuntu howto using the experimental debian wine package or any older package from snapshot.debian.net |
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| 20:40.25 | valdyn | Neaai: thats what the first 2 lines do, rest stays the same |
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| 20:42.07 | Neaai | valdyn: I will do that. But I for one am interested on this thing to work. I could even give Ubuntu itself a try, but I'm more a debianite so I have an inclination for it to work well in Debian too. :) |
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| 20:42.27 | valdyn | Neaai: and since s.d.n seems to not cover experimental packages, the only version *in* debian somewhere seems to be the current experimental |
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| 20:43.18 | Neaai | valdyn: ok. Thanks for the hints. |
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| 20:44.00 | valdyn | Neaai: wine is very fragile, where 1.1.9 worked any later version might be broken again |
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| 20:44.07 | alenoosh | hi all , is there anyway to run memtest86+ in lenny , besides setting up bootloader ? |
| 20:44.43 | valdyn | alenoosh: you cant run it in debian |
| 20:45.39 | Neaai | valdyn: I have seen articles where wine can be configured to use a windows installation in another partition. Could that help? I'm quite new into these things so I don't really know myself. |
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| 20:46.05 | valdyn | Neaai: no, not really |
| 20:46.06 | kenny__ | Does Debian5.0 have a firewall by default? I have just installed the standard debian-500-i386-netinst.iso. An apache on port 80 running in this installation is accessible from outside, but another server running on port 8000 is not accessible. Why? |
| 20:46.09 | alenoosh | valdyn, so the only way is to set up the bootloader ? |
| 20:46.25 | valdyn | Neaai: its useful in special cases, its not generally useful, more likely harmful |
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| 20:46.36 | Neaai | valdyn: noted. |
| 20:46.36 | valdyn | alenoosh: yes, or a boot disk |
| 20:47.45 | kroddnoMobil | kenny__: that does not automatically meen problems with a firewall |
| 20:47.45 | kroddnoMobil | debian is know for security, so maybe your service on port 8000 is only available on localhost and not from the outside |
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| 20:47.45 | kenny__ | kroddnoMobil: What else can I test? I was used to ubuntu until now, and both ports worked out of the box in ubuntu. |
| 20:47.56 | valdyn | Neaai: the actual mechanism in place that i refer to this is changing single dll files between wine-provided and windows-native, that is not generally useful, using an existing windows installation would be blind and crazy |
| 20:48.05 | dondelelcaro | kenny__: depends on what is running on 8000. Some things listen on localhost only by default. |
| 20:48.46 | kroddnoMobil | kenny__: try netstat -ln |grep 8000 |
| 20:48.47 | Neaai | valdyn: I see. Good to know these things now. |
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| 20:48.56 | kenny__ | it's the development webserver of django (python web application framework). |
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| 20:49.25 | alenoosh | valdyn, and how can I make a boot cd , do I need to download the iso ? |
| 20:49.31 | kroddnoMobil | if there's a line 0.0.0.0:8000 there, then it may be your firewall, if its only 127.0.0.1:8000 - then you will never be able to connect from the outside |
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| 20:49.45 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/30905/ -- what do i need to put inot my asoundrc to play on HDMI? |
| 20:49.49 | valdyn | alenoosh: a bootable cd embeds a bootable floppy image |
| 20:50.08 | valdyn | alenoosh: genisoimage or genisofs can do this, see docs |
| 20:50.17 | RichiH | valdyn: seems asoundrc is the way to go these days |
| 20:50.22 | RichiH | icyc |
| 20:50.23 | valdyn | alenoosh: ... they can embed a floppy image |
| 20:50.38 | Neaai | I'm off now. Take care all and thanks for the help and hints valdyn. |
| 20:50.46 | valdyn | alenoosh: the actual floppy image might be in the debian memtest86 package or on the memtest86 website |
| 20:51.00 | valdyn | alenoosh: id think they might even have a read cd image |
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| 20:51.33 | kenny__ | kroddnoMobil: it says "tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN" |
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| 20:51.57 | valdyn | alenoosh: memtest86.com |
| 20:52.29 | kenny__ | kroddnoMobil: what does it mean that I have both 127.0... and 0.0...? |
| 20:52.33 | valdyn | kenny__: thats localhost accessible only |
| 20:52.41 | zzattack | Is it normal for my /proc to take up 9gb? |
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| 20:52.47 | valdyn | zzattack: yes |
| 20:52.55 | valdyn | zzattack: and even more if you have more ram |
| 20:53.09 | valdyn | !proc |
| 20:53.09 | dpkg | [proc] on Unix-like computer systems, procfs is short for process filesystem: a pseudo-filesystem which is used to access kernel information about processes. Because /proc is not a real file system, it does not consume any storage space, and it consumes only a limited amount of memory. The filesystem is often mounted at /proc. It is supported under Solaris, BSD and Linux, and the latter also extends it to non-process-related data. |
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| 20:53.23 | kenny__ | valdyn: is it a system configuration or does the server limit itself to localhost? |
| 20:53.36 | DeSian | how can change the owner and group from directory to all users? |
| 20:53.38 | valdyn | kenny__: server limits itself |
| 20:53.52 | valdyn | DeSian: there can be only one owner and one group |
| 20:54.05 | valdyn | !wikifaq DeSian Permissions |
| 20:54.05 | dpkg | DeSian: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 20:54.29 | kenny__ | valdyn: strange, because with ubuntu I can access the same server,same configuration, from outside. |
| 20:54.40 | valdyn | kenny__: no, its configured differently |
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| 20:55.16 | DeSian | valdyn: i set the owner, but another gust receive 403 page, change chmod solved my problem? |
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| 20:55.39 | brad_ | hey, lenny I can't apt the kernel sources ? |
| 20:55.46 | kenny__ | valdyn: different in what sense? I install the same django source once on ubuntu, once on debian. Why is the coniguration different? |
| 20:55.57 | merlincorey | brad_: apt-get source ? |
| 20:56.11 | jetpda | linux-source |
| 20:56.20 | merlincorey | brad_: oh but there is a package for it for building with kpkg |
| 20:56.21 | valdyn | kenny__: i have no idea what this thing is |
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| 20:56.53 | stew | brad_: the package should be linux-source-2.6.26 |
| 20:56.54 | valdyn | kenny__: where some program is listening for connections is entirely up to that program |
| 20:57.05 | brad_ | thanks |
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| 20:59.39 | DeSian | valdyn: solved thank was chmod 750 i change it to 755 :) |
| 20:59.50 | kenny__ | valdyn: still don't understand why the behaviour depends on the distribution, but at least I found it mentioned here http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/7601 and in several other places. Thanks! |
| 20:59.56 | rbfg | does debian log in regular or combined format by default? |
| 21:00.01 | rbfg | apache2 |
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| 21:00.26 | kroddnoMobil | kenny__: sorry, was away |
| 21:00.29 | ninjaslim | anyway to install kde 4.2.0 on Debian Lenny |
| 21:00.36 | valdyn | kenny__: this could be related to some python default |
| 21:00.36 | ninjaslim | i really don't want to run sid |
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| 21:01.54 | kroddnoMobil | kenny__: normally, you can configure what a programm binds |
| 21:02.08 | kroddnoMobil | maybe under /etc/default there's a config file for that |
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| 21:03.45 | a133x | having a problem installing a pacakge I generate with checkinstall, the error is "trying to overwrite `/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml', which is also in package pidgin", and Idea what I might do to prevent the pakacge from trying to overwite that dir? |
| 21:04.17 | jetpda | purge pigin |
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| 21:05.08 | a133x | but i need pidgin :P, at least will it work if i reinstall it after? |
| 21:05.21 | DeSian | srry, what is the default chmod from html/? |
| 21:05.37 | DeSian | the owner and group set correct.' |
| 21:05.39 | keith4 | how do I make it so that new users get bash as their default shell, not 'sh'? |
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| 21:05.45 | jetpda | same problem |
| 21:06.11 | Kuifje111 | just set the shell to bash |
| 21:06.11 | jetpda | !force |
| 21:06.12 | dpkg | i guess force is a widely known, and not so well documented *cough* redhat /feature/. It's suppose to break.... right? |
| 21:06.49 | humbolt1 | do you guys know, does partimage also back up the boot record of the partition? I don't mean the MBR but the one in the partition backed up. |
| 21:06.53 | jetpda | man dpkg --force-help |
| 21:07.07 | a133x | thanks jetpda |
| 21:07.15 | valdyn | humbolt1: your partitions have boot records? |
| 21:07.23 | keith4 | Kuifje111: not what I asked, but thanks |
| 21:07.43 | humbolt1 | valdyn: the winxp partition has one, I suppose. |
| 21:08.01 | jetpda | a133x be careful |
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| 21:08.22 | Kuifje111 | you're welcome keith4, i am that i am not able to give you a proper answer |
| 21:08.25 | jetpda | ask in here before you try it |
| 21:08.34 | Kuifje111 | i am sorry* |
| 21:08.35 | valdyn | humbolt1: i dont think so. partimage should get the whole partition, that includes the boot sector |
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| 21:08.41 | jetpda | ask if command ok |
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| 21:09.06 | valdyn | humbolt1: i believe that XP uses unmovable files for their boot manager, just like linux |
| 21:09.14 | jetpda | is usually more verbose |
| 21:09.59 | a133x | ok jetpda , im checking it out right now |
| 21:10.01 | rbfg | does debian log in regular or combined format by default?in apache |
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| 21:12.51 | rbfg | anyone? |
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| 21:13.13 | zibri | rbfg: combined |
| 21:13.22 | a133x | ok, so i think im interested in "dpkg --force-overwrite -i gnome-do_0.8.1-1_i386.deb", hope it wont brake the system, is gconf really important? |
| 21:13.25 | zibri | i think |
| 21:13.43 | cemunal | hi hi hi |
| 21:13.45 | cemunal | can we play drm protected files under linux? |
| 21:14.00 | dondelelcaro | rbfg: see /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 21:14.08 | humbolt1 | valdyn: Thing is, I copied the XP partition, setup grub chainloader but it did not boot. However, I did not have the BOOT flag set then. |
| 21:14.11 | dondelelcaro | cemunal: depends. Generally not, though. |
| 21:14.40 | acu | hey guys - what is the way that non-debian members can give feed-back on bugs and other stuffs - plenty of the Desktop applications do not work - it is obvious that there are not enough people to test it - but maybe there is a way to reduce the available applications - but those who are in to work out of the box - simplest thing possible is to run - you put a dvd and it cannot read it - you need to go as a root or superuser to see it - you try to copy it and it |
| 21:14.40 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:15.07 | dondelelcaro | acu: so visit bugs.debian.org, figure out where the bugs are and file them |
| 21:16.07 | goauld | who gets mail when a program need to send mail (logs / fails / system crashes) ? |
| 21:16.22 | dondelelcaro | goauld: depends on your setup |
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| 21:16.43 | goauld | i configured exim default, i never got email neither root or anyone else |
| 21:17.20 | goauld | the /var/mail is empty |
| 21:17.41 | goauld | this is wierd, id like to have some mail from the system telling me everything is ok, no instrusions detected ... |
| 21:17.51 | merlincorey | lol |
| 21:18.00 | valdyn | acu: what you are talking about is intended |
| 21:18.16 | acu | valdyn: what is intended ? |
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| 21:18.21 | merlincorey | goauld: you should get mails if something is horribly wrong, in fact, cron should eventually start mailing you |
| 21:18.38 | valdyn | acu: users cannot read dvd by default, that is intended |
| 21:18.40 | merlincorey | goauld: but you won't get periodic "Everything checked out OK!" emails unless you have a program checking and sending these mails |
| 21:19.06 | valdyn | acu: reading or writing to dvd or cd requires membership in the cdrom group, working as intended |
| 21:19.39 | Bwen | my apt-get says it cannot resolve the domain names in my sources.list but on the command line I can ping them and nslookup and everything is fine... Any ideas? |
| 21:19.42 | valdyn | acu: and before you come about the other stuff, its the same or similar for audio, scanners, configuring printers etc pp |
| 21:19.50 | goauld | system had disk crashed due to bad sectors and i got no mail |
| 21:20.22 | Blaize | Hm. Having a problem installing mod_security get this error: "configure: *** libxml2 library not found". But if I check for libxml2 it is installed. Any ideas? |
| 21:20.37 | goauld | cann you tell me a program who is able to mail me periodically? |
| 21:21.04 | goauld | something whos task is checking the system |
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| 21:21.11 | merlincorey | !any ideas |
| 21:21.11 | RichiH | is there any (sane) way to tell apt-get or aptitude to ignore one missing dependency and just install what i tell it to install? |
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| 21:21.11 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little thermal paste, and a dozen rabid bunnies. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 21:21.15 | goauld | and mail me everything is fine |
| 21:21.16 | acu | valdyn: and that is intended ? It makes no sense at all to have a user be added to all groups for the most basic things in a desktop - that includes CD drives and scanners - but maybe you can tell me where is the logic |
| 21:21.25 | cemunal | can we play drm protected file with wmp10 under wine on linux? :) |
| 21:21.28 | deadlyninja | is it possible to debootstrap to a different architecture? |
| 21:21.30 | gravity | Blaize: install libxml2-dev (or libxml-dev, not sure) |
| 21:21.36 | valdyn | acu: a user in debian is not necessarily a desktop user |
| 21:22.00 | goauld | deadlyninja: yes, but only the first stage |
| 21:22.03 | valdyn | acu: its a multi-user networked system, you dont want anyone with remote accessing messing with local hardware |
| 21:22.26 | deadlyninja | goauld, do you know a good link? google is doing nothing for me |
| 21:22.28 | goauld | or if you have kvm u can do it to the end |
| 21:22.33 | Blaize | Ah, ty gravity |
| 21:22.34 | goauld | ok wait a sec |
| 21:22.56 | gravity | Blaize: Yeah, it's libxml2-dev |
| 21:23.22 | goauld | deadlyninja: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiHowto |
| 21:23.29 | valdyn | acu: debian defaults to secure, not to "desktop usage". its in wide use as a server too |
| 21:23.32 | Blaize | Yep, all working now, ty again :) |
| 21:23.45 | goauld | i did that to instaall debian ARM in my laptop, then moved it to my linkstation |
| 21:24.52 | goauld | deadlyninja: the trick is "debootstrap --verbose --arch armel (etc.)" |
| 21:25.03 | goauld | or --arch anything |
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| 21:25.39 | goauld | thats stage1, you can even install it to a loop back device ( a file) install debian inside a file |
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| 21:26.02 | brad1 | h |
| 21:26.03 | deadlyninja | goauld, my phone is capable of booting a linux kernel and im trying to install to a SD card |
| 21:26.06 | lepine_w | why would an interface alias return all ports closed (nmap) eventhough netstat -nlp says otherwise? |
| 21:26.11 | goauld | your G1 ? |
| 21:26.26 | goauld | is your phone a G1 ? |
| 21:26.32 | deadlyninja | goauld, no its a SX66 blue angel (htc windows) |
| 21:26.47 | goauld | oh, you know xda-forums ? |
| 21:26.49 | deadlyninja | gouald, i actually already got it to boot android but eh |
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| 21:27.06 | acu | valdyn: I think during installation should be a small printed warning about it - however I just checked - the user I looged in is allowed to read CDs - however I cannot - I have to go as a root - not to say that there is something wrong with k3b - is just damaging the disks... in other words - it does not work :) |
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| 21:27.25 | deadlyninja | goauld, ive seen it yes |
| 21:27.33 | cemunal | drm player for linux. Do not be doing? |
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| 21:28.00 | goauld | you seen the procedure to install debian in a HTC G1 ? |
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| 21:28.39 | goauld | its the same procedure, it uses debootstrap and a loopback file located in sdcard |
| 21:28.45 | valdyn | acu: the first user created via d-i is obviously a desktop user and added to some groups by default |
| 21:29.09 | valdyn | acu: i dont know your k3b thing, feel free to report a bug... |
| 21:29.20 | acu | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:29.31 | merlincorey | acu: adduser blah group |
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| 21:29.36 | merlincorey | acu: shorthand to add a user to a group |
| 21:29.38 | merlincorey | both must exist |
| 21:30.10 | merlincorey | acu: after being added you may have to log out and log back in to refresh groups |
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| 21:30.36 | deadlyninja | goauld, alright ill try it |
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| 21:30.44 | Juanjo-sfe | hi |
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| 21:30.52 | Juanjo-sfe | I experienced a problem in my hd |
| 21:30.59 | Juanjo-sfe | and now try to recover information |
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| 21:31.13 | Juanjo-sfe | I followed a deebianadmin article about dd_rhelp |
| 21:31.18 | rbfg | if i install libapache-modphp5 do i have to a2enmod php5 afterwards? |
| 21:31.28 | Juanjo-sfe | I could generate a .img from my /dev/sda3 |
| 21:31.30 | acu | what is the group for CD (to read and write cds?) |
| 21:31.32 | rbfg | or does it get autoloaded? |
| 21:31.36 | Juanjo-sfe | but I cant fsck it |
| 21:31.41 | valdyn | acu: cdrom |
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| 21:31.49 | Juanjo-sfe | fsck -y backup.img is correct? |
| 21:32.10 | valdyn | acu: adduser acu cdrom; adduser acu audio; adduser acu plugdev; adduser acu powerdev |
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| 21:32.14 | acu | because the user I am logged in was the default user during installation - but cannot access |
| 21:32.32 | valdyn | acu: and floppy and just maybe netdev |
| 21:33.15 | goauld | deadlyninja: http://www.saurik.com/id/10 |
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| 21:33.41 | lepine_w | where would the best place to put an iptables script? |
| 21:33.50 | goauld | deadlyninja: its the procedure to download official debian and debootstrap it etc.., it also have a premade image |
| 21:34.06 | lepine_w | etc/network/if-up.d ? |
| 21:34.18 | deadlyninja | goauld, looks good im gonna try it |
| 21:34.24 | goauld | it worked for me |
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| 21:34.31 | goauld | for my G1 |
| 21:34.38 | goauld | good luck |
| 21:34.39 | valdyn | lepine_w: only if you add the flush thing in if-down.d too |
| 21:34.52 | valdyn | lepine_w: or you might fill up rules for no use |
| 21:34.56 | lepine_w | good point |
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| 21:35.06 | nick4 | after installing VirtualBox, there is no /etc/init.d/vboxdrv. I get a notice to start this script but it is just not there. Have I forgoten to install a package? |
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| 21:35.14 | lepine_w | could somewhere else be a better option? |
| 21:35.26 | valdyn | lepine_w: if-up.d needs a more complex script, including checks for interfaces |
| 21:35.48 | valdyn | lepine_w: or you would add the same rules again whenever one of your at least 2 interfaces is brought up |
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| 21:35.51 | lepine_w | reading a sample script |
| 21:36.03 | rbfg | if i install libapache-modphp5 do i have to a2enmod php5 afterwards? |
| 21:36.04 | rbfg | or does it get autoloaded? |
| 21:36.11 | valdyn | lepine_w: /etc/rc.local is not that bad |
| 21:36.17 | lepine_w | oh ... aliases ... that might cause problems indeed |
| 21:36.55 | valdyn | lepine_w: you could flush and add rules in the same scriptm, then if-up.d is a little less tricky |
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| 21:37.14 | lepine_w | but then again, i can probably know which alias is going up ... and only apply the rules for that one ... but that seems quite complicated for not much of problem |
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| 21:37.29 | lepine_w | certainly true |
| 21:38.33 | Juanjo-sfe | any help? |
| 21:38.34 | Juanjo-sfe | :( |
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| 21:41.49 | D4T | hi all, can someone help me with some modprobe issues? I finally got Lenny installed on a Intel Apple Xserve but it seems to be having some very minor issues. |
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| 21:43.58 | D4T | my dmesg log is here: https://pastee.org/mujrw can anyone help? I'm not really sure where to start :( |
| 21:45.10 | kenny__ | kroddnoMobil, valdyn: sorry, I was distracted. I think I'll figure out now what to do against the server/port issues. |
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| 21:49.00 | D4T | no one? |
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| 21:56.51 | Bryanstein | D4T, does yoru ipmi interface work fine? |
| 21:57.47 | D4T | It does, but probably not in Debian. How can I check? (sorry if this is n00bish) |
| 21:58.15 | Bryanstein | lol...do you know what ipmi is? |
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| 21:58.40 | D4T | yeah, Apple call it LOM and it works fine :D |
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| 21:59.50 | Juanjo-sfe | I generate a image with dd_rescue, now I want to fsck it |
| 21:59.54 | Juanjo-sfe | how can I do ir? |
| 22:00.03 | dondelelcaro | Juanjo-sfe: fsck /path/to/image |
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| 22:00.16 | D4T | Bryanstein: from a hardware perspective anyhow |
| 22:00.16 | Juanjo-sfe | fsck backup.img returns 0 but dont to anything dondelelcaro |
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| 22:00.42 | Juanjo-sfe | it just says fsck 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008) |
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| 22:01.43 | dondelelcaro | Juanjo-sfe: that's because it thinks it's clean; if you want to force it to fsck, fsck -f foo.img; assuming it's a filesystem whose fsck supports -f |
| 22:01.53 | dondelelcaro | (well, probably because it thinks it is clean) |
| 22:01.54 | Bryanstein | D4T, what were you doing when you got those messages? |
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| 22:02.11 | D4T | Bryanstein: Booting :) then maybe every few minutes after |
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| 22:02.24 | Juanjo-sfe | dondelelcaro, -f works the same way |
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| 22:02.33 | dondelelcaro | Juanjo-sfe: what filesystem is this? |
| 22:02.34 | acu | are there people assigned for the desktop kde in debian ? nothing basic works properly - frustrating as hell - not to be able to see a bloody file - is simply pathetic |
| 22:02.43 | Juanjo-sfe | dondelelcaro, ext2 |
| 22:02.46 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a debootstrap that works in cygwin? |
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| 22:03.01 | D4T | Bryanstein: I haven't installed any IPMI drivers or software, you think thats where I should start? |
| 22:03.14 | acu | anytime I put a CD in the drive I have to go as root to browse the content of it |
| 22:03.31 | dondelelcaro | Juanjo-sfe: and e2fsck -v -f foo.img; does what? |
| 22:03.38 | acu | that is the best security - that even you cannot get into your home :) |
| 22:03.40 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: presumably |
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| 22:03.58 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: but it's kind of pointless, because Debian itself won't work. |
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| 22:04.03 | Juanjo-sfe | e2fsck: Superbloque es inválido, intentando los bloques de respaldo... |
| 22:04.03 | Juanjo-sfe | e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block mientras se intentaba abrir back3.img |
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| 22:04.34 | Juanjo-sfe | actually i am not sure dondelelcaro , coudl be a netfs or a fat32 as well |
| 22:04.43 | dondelelcaro | Juanjo-sfe: yeah, so the problem is that the superblock is invalid. If you're certain that it's a ext2 filesystem, you can try to use a backup superblock using the output of mkfs.ext3 -n or similar, but... |
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| 22:04.51 | dondelelcaro | Juanjo-sfe: if it's ntfs or fat32, then all bets are off. |
| 22:05.01 | lymeca | Installing Lenny via debootstrap using the xen-create-image installs a system that cannot boot consistently. |
| 22:05.03 | GhostlyDeath | dondelelcaro: I plan that Cygwin will host a NFS Server and Debian (from a VM) will use it as the root device |
| 22:05.08 | dondelelcaro | doesn't know whether the fsck programs in vfatutils et al. actually will do anything useful |
| 22:05.19 | lymeca | I tried chrooting the LV and isntalling udev, but that didn't work either. |
| 22:05.43 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: the VM should be able to boot the debian installer. Debootstrap is really only known to work from a linux system. |
| 22:05.57 | zzattack | apt-get insists on removing pure-ftpd when I try to install proftpd, although I'd like to run both alongside eachother. can I tell dpkg to just do as i say? |
| 22:06.06 | Bryanstein | D4T, does it have scsi issues? |
| 22:06.17 | GhostlyDeath | dondelelcaro: It does boot the installer, however I want the share the space on the host computer |
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| 22:06.32 | D4T | Bryanstein: Nope, doesn't even have SCSI |
| 22:06.45 | D4T | Bryanstein: Just SATA |
| 22:07.10 | GhostlyDeath | not create fixed size partitions and such |
| 22:07.21 | Bryanstein | well if I were you I'd lsmod and then rmmod/modprobe to see which module is causing this |
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| 22:08.40 | D4T | Bryanstein: Sorry, can you explain in more detail for me? lsmod just returns normal/ |
| 22:09.43 | debian|amd | I have returned with a new issue |
| 22:10.15 | debian|amd | I don't know if anyone was around earlier when I came in asking for help with the partitioning due to errors with trying to resize ntfs but I finally got that to work |
| 22:11.10 | Bryanstein | no what I was saying was lsmod then look at your modules...then try reloading a few and see if you get the same errors...I think its from your drives though |
| 22:11.47 | debian|amd | the new issue is that when doing my debian testing netinst I went to do expert install, as always, and my dhcp has always worked just fine, but this time during the network config part of the install it went throught the process of asking if I wanted to do DHCP and I said yes and it went and got the IP and then a second or two after completion and saying it was successful it came up on the next screen in red and said that that part of the install had fa |
| 22:11.50 | foetus | good evening. someone experiences with tar.lzma? i made a simple shellwrapper script, so i can use tar through lzma as compressor. i have applied tar.lzma to one testarchive, but the resulting build have another behavior than the .bz2 build. i'm a little bit unsure, if i apply lzma on my archives.. |
| 22:11.51 | debian|amd | I tried to redo it and it didn't take |
| 22:12.02 | D4T | Bryanstein: Ok will do, thanks for your help. What makes you think its the drives btw? |
| 22:12.06 | Bryanstein | D4T, sata uses scsi |
| 22:12.29 | D4T | Bryanstein: Sorry, SATA uses SCSI calls? :O |
| 22:12.38 | debian|amd | I tried getting out of expert install and trying other ones since I'd never used anything but expert install since I first started with debian, but to no avail |
| 22:12.46 | debian|amd | what do you think the issue could be? |
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| 22:13.18 | debian|amd | I used the latest netinst build of testing to do it, if you think there's a chance that that could be of any consequence |
| 22:13.27 | Bryanstein | I had a RAID setup and I saw there in the logs a few times...SATA uses the kernel scsi layer |
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| 22:14.09 | D4T | Bryanstein: Ok will have a play, ty very much for your help :) |
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| 22:14.24 | xxiao | is core 2 duo from intel 64-bit? |
| 22:14.42 | xxiao | need to choose between 64-bit or 32-bit debian |
| 22:14.46 | lepine_w | xxiao: mine is atleast |
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| 22:15.04 | Bryanstein | D4T, which xserve you got? |
| 22:15.28 | xxiao | lepine_w: the /proc/cpuinfo says physical addr is 36-bit, guess that's intel's 64-bit then |
| 22:15.32 | avu | xxiao, the core 2 CPUs are 64bit, yes. You can run both i386 and amd64 Debian on them |
| 22:16.00 | D4T | Bryanstein: I got lots :P |
| 22:16.20 | D4T | Bryanstein: This one is a Quad core Xeon I'm using for some dev work |
| 22:16.21 | digitaloktay | hi people |
| 22:17.04 | debian|amd | did anyone read what I wrote? |
| 22:17.14 | digitaloktay | it is normaly that pidgin crashes, when i logged in icq und 2 msn logins, version 2.5.5-1 0, using unstable... |
| 22:17.54 | dkr | an unstable app in unstable!? |
| 22:18.09 | debian|amd | the hell you say |
| 22:18.11 | D4T | Bryanstein: Sorry, battery on my laptop is running low, will have a play with your suggestion. Thanks a lot for your help :) very much appreciated :) |
| 22:18.23 | avu | digitaloktay, have you checked the BTS? |
| 22:18.27 | debian|amd | Bryanstein: can you help me with my question? |
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| 22:18.53 | ZigBee | hi, i have a package in a repository that always wants to update itself, altough i have the latest version, what can be the problem in the repository info ? |
| 22:19.00 | xxiao | avu: thanks. it's just the cpuinfo showed 36-bit for core 2 duo 6400 |
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| 22:19.10 | xxiao | anyway i will install amd64 |
| 22:19.30 | stew | ZigBee: show us the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" for the package in question ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:20.02 | debian|amd | stew: what say you of my issue with the debian netinst? |
| 22:20.11 | digitaloktay | avu, mom i am searchin |
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| 22:20.46 | ZigBee | stew: ok, pasting, btw, this is my own respository, i just dont know whats the problem |
| 22:21.02 | stew | debian|amd: i'd check the md5sum of the cd to make sure it was not corrupted |
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| 22:21.12 | ZigBee | http://pastebin.ca/1364706 stew <-- |
| 22:21.23 | valdyn | xxiao: those 36 bit mean you cant use more than 64G ram |
| 22:21.32 | debian|amd | the cd passed the integrity check |
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| 22:22.14 | digitaloktay | avu, i dont find version 2.5.5-1 0 |
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| 22:23.02 | ZigBee | stew: anything wrong ? |
| 22:23.06 | avu | digitaloktay, huh? |
| 22:23.12 | avu | digitaloktay, bugs.debian.org/pidgin |
| 22:23.16 | stew | ZigBee: i don't see anything. show us the command that is telling you it wants to be upgraded |
| 22:23.23 | stew | http://mysite.com/Packages is 404 |
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| 22:23.49 | ZigBee | apt-get update |
| 22:23.52 | debian|amd | stew: do you think that I should tryt to download another daily build? |
| 22:23.57 | ZigBee | stew: it's a private repository... |
| 22:24.01 | ZigBee | for testing porpuses |
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| 22:24.33 | ZigBee | i'm looking for what can be the reason for APT to think it's not the latest version while it is |
| 22:24.48 | ZigBee | it even shows me, installed version 0.1-1, and it wants to still install 0.1-1 |
| 22:24.55 | ZigBee | (while it's installed and working) |
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| 22:25.16 | debian|amd | man it's gonna be a long night because once I get the base system installed with testing or stable, I'm going to change the apt sources to sid and apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade and it's probably going to take all night to catch up to date lol |
| 22:25.38 | ZigBee | stew ? |
| 22:25.57 | stew | ZigBee: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:26.09 | stew | debian|amd: i wouldn't if it is passing the integrity test |
| 22:26.13 | stew | debian|amd: what version of the installer is this? |
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| 22:26.22 | ZigBee | apt-get upgrade tells me The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 22:26.26 | ZigBee | and my package name... |
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| 22:27.16 | debian|amd | stew: yesterday's daily build of testing netinst |
| 22:28.24 | phantomcircuit | to take a lenny install to a squeeze install what does that take? |
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| 22:29.01 | stew | debian|amd: i'd recommend trying a stable installer if anything |
| 22:29.18 | debian|amd | :( I hate stable, it's older than my grandma |
| 22:29.20 | ZigBee | 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 22:30.51 | phantomcircuit | actually better question |
| 22:31.02 | ZigBee | stew: any ideas ? |
| 22:31.23 | phantomcircuit | just how unstable is sid? |
| 22:31.34 | phantomcircuit | like am i likely to have total crashes |
| 22:31.38 | debian|amd | it's quite stable actually for the most part |
| 22:31.51 | debian|amd | compared to windows, not very likely at all |
| 22:31.57 | phantomcircuit | alright then new question |
| 22:32.03 | debian|amd | I've used unstable for 4 years |
| 22:32.10 | phantomcircuit | how can I upgrade from lenny to sid ? |
| 22:32.14 | debian|amd | just having a couple issues installing it on a new box atm |
| 22:32.24 | zzattack | phantomcircuit: replace everything from lenny/stable to sid/unstable |
| 22:32.28 | zzattack | whichever you prefer |
| 22:32.33 | debian|amd | change your apt sources list repositiories from testing to unstable |
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| 22:32.41 | zzattack | and run apt-get dist-upgrade. but you'll probably regret it |
| 22:32.46 | pickcoder | phantomcircuit: are you willing to fix your own crashes, post bug reports, and submit bugfixes? |
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| 22:33.00 | debian|amd | then type "apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade" |
| 22:33.08 | debian|amd | sid ftw |
| 22:33.11 | stew | ZigBee: show me the command you are running and the actual output. also the output of "dpkg -l packagename" for the package giving you problems ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 22:33.35 | stew | debian|amd: please do not recommend unstable to people that don't know what they are doing |
| 22:34.02 | debian|amd | stew: why? it's perfectly stable, it gives you an appreciation for a good project and provides a learning experience |
| 22:34.12 | stew | debian|amd: its not perfectly stable |
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| 22:34.23 | pl4yer0ne | yeah bullshit is sid stable |
| 22:34.26 | phantomcircuit | pickcoder, for the most part yes, i was asking how stable it is because theres a difference from minor bugs and total system crashes |
| 22:34.30 | debian|amd | I started with woody for a week or two before I upgraded to sid |
| 22:34.34 | stew | debian|amd: and someone that doesn't know how to upgrade to it won't know how to fix problems when they come up |
| 22:34.34 | debian|amd | never went back |
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| 22:34.49 | ninjaslim | do you need to pinning for when you move to unstable |
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| 22:35.26 | pickcoder | phantomcircuit: well I've not run it, but from the discussion in here it's not odd for package depenencies to be totally mucked up for a period of time |
| 22:35.30 | sharp15 | is there a way to have apt tell me what packages are dependent on a given package? |
| 22:35.43 | stew | sharp15: apt-cache rdepends packagename |
| 22:35.52 | stew | sharp15: or aptitude search '~Rpackagename' |
| 22:36.00 | izzyb | yeah, sid isn't recommended unless you really know what you are doing |
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| 22:36.31 | izzyb | I was helping someone the other day who discovered a broken package dependencies that pretty much left him sol |
| 22:36.33 | stew | and as stable as unstable might be for someone today, that can all change tomorrow. and is guaranteed to get worse soon as we start to go through a large number of the planned transitions |
| 22:36.53 | phantomcircuit | pickcoder, eh that is trivial figuring out the proper dependencies isn't hard at all |
| 22:36.59 | debian|amd | sid is cool if you want to be able to have the ability to dist-upgrade daily |
| 22:37.00 | debian|amd | that takes balls |
| 22:37.06 | izzyb | phantomcircuit, what is it you want to run that you are thinking about sid for? |
| 22:37.07 | phantomcircuit | really i just hate the way nautilus works in this version >.> |
| 22:37.09 | pickcoder | phantomcircuit: no but you can't just stick source on your box and fix it? |
| 22:37.19 | debian|amd | make sure you keep up to date on your kernel if you do that LOL |
| 22:37.33 | sharp15 | better idea is there a way to have apt auto clean the /boot mess its been leaving behind? or am i supposed to handle that by hand? |
| 22:37.38 | pickcoder | you can test out transitional upgrades and help fix stuff that will break at some point |
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| 22:38.12 | pickcoder | or sit there an wait until it gets sorted out |
| 22:38.17 | pickcoder | s/an/and |
| 22:38.29 | debian|amd | do not use an old kernel with sid, it will break, trust me I know from experience lol, having to go in and chroot and rebuild a new kernel, really annoying |
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| 22:38.36 | izzyb | sharp15, are you talking about multiple kernel options in the grub menu? |
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| 22:39.36 | izzyb | debian|amd, I think the point to remember about sid is that anything can happen without notice and broken systems are common |
| 22:39.49 | sharp15 | izzyb: i'm talking about the 5 extra kernel/vmlinuz/System.Map/initrd files from kernels i've upgraded past. |
| 22:39.50 | izzyb | not just kernel issues |
| 22:40.08 | sylarovich | hi |
| 22:40.08 | phantomcircuit | pickcoder, so what version would you suggest i use? |
| 22:40.21 | izzyb | check out the sharp15 you running grub? |
| 22:40.31 | sylarovich | I chmoded -R an got all directories changed too which was not what intended |
| 22:40.33 | sylarovich | :/ |
| 22:40.36 | ZigBee | skew: should apt-cache policy show me two enteries like in the pastebin ? |
| 22:40.41 | debian|amd | izzyb: that's half the fun in teaching you how to fix your own shit and help other people out, seeing how it breaks and understanding what went wrong |
| 22:40.43 | pickcoder | phantomcircuit: which ever one you feel comfortable running |
| 22:40.44 | sharp15 | izzyb: huh? |
| 22:40.59 | debian|amd | learning how to manually use dpkg with things |
| 22:41.02 | sylarovich | anyone knows how to chmod -R without taking the x off the dirs? |
| 22:41.04 | izzyb | is your boot loader grub? |
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| 22:41.22 | swordz | Hi, I'm trying to install debian from a usb thumbdrive. I currently only have a windows pc. How can I get the .iso image on in a way that my computer will boot from it? |
| 22:41.24 | ZigBee | skew: apt-cache showpkg shows me the package twice, why can that be ? |
| 22:41.27 | sharp15 | izzyb: yes. but that has very little to do with what i'm asking about (i think.) |
| 22:41.33 | pickcoder | Lenny was just recently released so I think it's pointless to go with Squeeze unless you want to truely help with testing |
| 22:41.35 | debian|amd | building things from source and building your own deb packages lol |
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| 22:41.59 | izzyb | sharp15, check in your menu.list for the option "howmany=" |
| 22:42.07 | debian|amd | real men use sid and dist-upgrade daily |
| 22:42.19 | izzyb | that controls how many kernels debian will leave behind when it does upgrades |
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| 22:42.39 | pickcoder | phantomcircuit: if nautilus is the only issue then consider a sid backport |
| 22:43.01 | izzyb | sharp15, if you set it to 2, it will only keep 2 versions |
| 22:43.30 | sharp15 | izzyb: the option is currently unset (will change.) question is does a kernel upgrade have to occur before the cleanup occurs? |
| 22:43.49 | zzattack | swordz: from windows you can use a nice utility called unetbootin |
| 22:43.52 | ZigBee | what does status "deinstall" mean in /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
| 22:43.58 | izzyb | sharp15, no, its a hidden option used by the debian scripts. it isn't a grub option I don't think |
| 22:44.14 | izzyb | sharp15, leave it commented out, but change it from all to how ever many you want to keep around |
| 22:44.29 | stew | ZigBee: that you requested that the package be removed |
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| 22:44.49 | ZigBee | stew: but it's not yet removed ? |
| 22:45.05 | sharp15 | izzyb: ok. |
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| 22:45.06 | stew | ZigBee: has nothing to do with its actual status |
| 22:45.17 | stew | sharp15: no, running "update-grub" would make it happen (which is the script usually run when kernels are installed/removed) |
| 22:45.18 | izzyb | sharp15, read the bit at the beginning of the section: BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
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| 22:45.20 | ZigBee | stew: when i remove a package, should it still have an entry in /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
| 22:45.35 | stew | sharp15: but this has nothing to do with your question about cleaning /boot. this will not remove kernel packages. |
| 22:45.41 | stew | ZigBee: yes |
| 22:45.45 | ZigBee | arg |
| 22:45.52 | phantomcircuit | pickcoder, a whaty what? |
| 22:46.01 | ZigBee | when i do apt-get showpkg and apt-get policy i see as if there are 2 versions of the pacakage, but they are both the same version |
| 22:46.05 | izzyb | stew, doesn't it? |
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| 22:46.11 | ZigBee | i mean apt-cache not apt-get |
| 22:46.16 | stew | izzyb: no |
| 22:46.19 | ZigBee | i think that may be the reason that apt-get gets confused |
| 22:46.19 | pickcoder | !tell phantomcircuit about simple sid backport |
| 22:46.19 | swordz | zzattack it's not entirely clear - this will allow me to install on a seperate computer, not on the thumbdrive? |
| 22:46.33 | ZigBee | is there any reason for a package to apear twice in apt-get showpkg ? |
| 22:46.36 | stew | izzyb: not afaik. are you saying that the update-grub will actually remove debian packages? |
| 22:47.03 | stew | ZigBee: is there some reason you can't show us? |
| 22:47.13 | izzyb | no, the automagic kernel update process checks these values I thought. |
| 22:47.14 | sharp15 | izzyb: thanks. |
| 22:47.22 | izzyb | checks on a system I've changed... |
| 22:47.22 | stew | izzyb: yes, that's what I thought too |
| 22:47.23 | zzattack | swordz: if you feed it the iso file you downloaded and tell it to put it on the usb drive, you'll be ablt to boot from the usb stick as if it were a regular installation cd |
| 22:47.25 | ZigBee | stew: sec |
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| 22:47.41 | swordz | zzattack awesome, thanks |
| 22:47.53 | lvdz | good evening |
| 22:47.56 | zzattack | swordz: it's like burning the .iso to the usb stick :) |
| 22:47.56 | phantomcircuit | pickcoder, so one doesnt exist? http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=lenny-backports&keywords=nautilus |
| 22:48.09 | swordz | That's what I want! |
| 22:48.33 | stew | swordz: "/msg dpkg usb-install" for the instructions for setiting up a usb thumbdrive installer |
| 22:48.44 | pickcoder | phantomcircuit: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php |
| 22:48.55 | stew | swordz: its not as easy as he is making it out to be |
| 22:49.24 | swordz | stew? |
| 22:49.28 | swordz | explain? |
| 22:49.32 | DeSian | how can listing group of directory? |
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| 22:49.54 | zzattack | stew: I think that dpkg entry is about booting from usb stick |
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| 22:49.57 | zzattack | not installign from usb |
| 22:50.08 | ZigBee | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1364724 |
| 22:50.08 | stew | swordz: if you type "/msg dpkg usb-install" into irc, the dpkg bot will give you a link to instructions about how to setup a usb thumbdrive for use as an installer |
| 22:50.15 | phantomcircuit | pickcoder, the search thing on that site just redirects to the page i linked it looks liek a backport doesnt exist for it yet |
| 22:50.15 | stew | !usb-install |
| 22:50.15 | dpkg | usb-install is probably Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 22:50.23 | ZigBee | stew: wht in "showpkg" i see 2 Versions: ? |
| 22:50.24 | stew | zzattack: ^^ |
| 22:50.24 | swordz | Already done it, 30 secs ago |
| 22:50.29 | ZigBee | i think thats related to the problem ? |
| 22:50.32 | pickcoder | phantomcircuit: correct. there's info on the backports on the home page |
| 22:50.47 | zzattack | stew: what do you mean? |
| 22:51.00 | swordz | that line does look as though it's booting from, not installing from |
| 22:51.03 | stew | zzattack: read what dpkg just said in the channel |
| 22:51.10 | stew | swordz: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 22:51.21 | DeSian | i try to set new group of directory, said "invalid group2 how can check another group too? |
| 22:51.23 | swordz | again, just started reading |
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| 22:52.10 | ZigBee | any insight ? |
| 22:52.11 | swordz | For that link, I fail on the preparing the stick option |
| 22:52.30 | zzattack | stew: that document seems to be a bit old. About a week ago I installed ubuntu from usb using unetbootin and I'm pretty sure I installed debian like that about a month or two ago. I'm not sure though. |
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| 22:53.02 | egoleo | hey guys i got ma lenny installed some few days |
| 22:53.28 | egoleo | and the colors of folders and excutable files are all grey or white |
| 22:53.39 | egoleo | does anyone knows how i can make the console colored? |
| 22:53.44 | stew | zzattack: if you want a more up to date document, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en which is the current install guide, released last month |
| 22:53.50 | stew | zzattack: the procedure is identical though |
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| 22:54.03 | gmap | how do you start apace2? |
| 22:54.26 | rgr | gmap: it should start automatically if you installed it from the repositories |
| 22:54.27 | gmap | apache* |
| 22:54.32 | gmap | yea i know |
| 22:54.34 | stew | ZigBee: what is the Status line for that file from /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 22:54.34 | gmap | but it isnt |
| 22:54.40 | gmap | i do a netstat -a and cant see it |
| 22:54.44 | rgr | else "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 -restart" |
| 22:54.50 | stew | ZigBee: i don't know why it is confused. apt-cache policy says it is installed and dpkg -l says it isn't |
| 22:54.58 | rgr | minus the minus that is |
| 22:55.10 | stew | ZigBee: if grep-dctrl is installed, "grep-status packagename" would get you the entry from the status file easily |
| 22:55.25 | ZigBee | stew: ignore my stupidity, the dpkg -l was while i uninstalled it, it was "ii" when it was installed |
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| 22:56.10 | ZigBee | stew: why does it show up twice as "Versions" in apt-cache showpkg ? |
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| 22:58.01 | stew | ZigBee: one for the version installed and one for the version available from your sources. are you sure there isn't something like an unprintable character in the version string or something similar? |
| 22:58.17 | ZigBee | nop, it's 0.0-1 |
| 22:58.26 | ZigBee | if it has a windows newline, can that bork it up ? |
| 22:58.30 | stew | yes |
| 22:58.33 | ZigBee | ARG |
| 22:58.34 | ZigBee | sec |
| 22:58.38 | ZigBee | how do i make sure it doesnt in unix ? |
| 22:58.47 | stew | hexdump? |
| 22:58.51 | ZigBee | sec |
| 22:58.54 | stew | its 0.0-1? |
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| 22:59.12 | ZigBee | it's 0.0-1 but there might be a windows newline in the end |
| 22:59.24 | ZigBee | sorry, it's something like 0.0-1 |
| 22:59.29 | stew | ... |
| 22:59.31 | ZigBee | it's 0.1-1 as you can see |
| 22:59.33 | ZigBee | :| |
| 22:59.35 | phantomcircuit | i just ran apt-get update and im getting 404's http://rafb.net/p/gSYFLb71.html |
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| 22:59.42 | stew | so are you editing these pastes before you show them to us? |
| 22:59.42 | ZigBee | anyhow, i think that newline might be the problem, need to check, sec |
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| 22:59.44 | llimeht | !ops Seymen is on-join spamming |
| 22:59.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: llimeht complains about: Seymen is on-join spamming |
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| 22:59.50 | charitwo | stew: SeYmen is on-join spamming |
| 22:59.55 | ZigBee | stew: becuse it's something private.. |
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| 23:00.22 | charitwo | thanks tomaw |
| 23:00.24 | stew | llimeht: charitwo thanks |
| 23:00.28 | llimeht | thanks guys |
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| 23:00.46 | spacepluk | egoleo: mine are colored |
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| 23:00.59 | egoleo | so how do i fix mine plse |
| 23:01.08 | spacepluk | egoleo: sorry I had the windows scrolled up :P |
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| 23:01.29 | egoleo | what? |
| 23:01.57 | izzyb | sharp15, stew, I'm not sure if changing the grub menu.lst option does an auto cleanup. I tried setting it to 2 on 5 systems, but non of them needed a kernel update so I wont know until the next kernel release I guess |
| 23:02.11 | RoenieSrvr | how large is the bootsector of a partition? 512 bytes just like the MBR of a drive? |
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| 23:02.47 | spacepluk | egoleo: forget that, I just read the question about console colors and didn't notice it was ages ago :P |
| 23:03.05 | izzyb | assumed changing that value would also cleanup unneeded kernels, but as it turns out, I've been leaving the default setting of keeping all kernels |
| 23:03.11 | phantomcircuit | the security updates for lenny don't appear to ya know... exist |
| 23:03.21 | egoleo | ok |
| 23:03.31 | oh_noes | Anyone have apt-mirror running nightly, *and* downloading new files and purging old files? Looking at my cron.d entry it created, and the log file, it's only downloading the new headers. it doesnt cleanup, nor download any new content. |
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| 23:03.39 | ZigBee | ARGH |
| 23:03.40 | RoenieSrvr | if i zero the bootsector of the linux partition, then do grub-install to make it write to the MBR of the drive, will it boot? |
| 23:03.42 | ZigBee | no cigar |
| 23:04.06 | zu22 | i want to install java SDK in lenny, how can i do this? i don't see it in apt |
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| 23:04.22 | llimeht | dpkg: tell zu22 about install java |
| 23:04.32 | zu22 | i do see an openjdk but not sure if that works |
| 23:04.38 | zu22 | llimeht: thanks |
| 23:04.57 | izzyb | oh_noes, I seem to recall you have to run a cleanup script. do you know about apt-proxy? I found it more useful for my needs then mirroring the whole archive |
| 23:04.58 | llimeht | zu22: sun-java6-jdk is available from non-free. |
| 23:04.58 | ZigBee | stew: any more ideas ? |
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| 23:05.14 | zu22 | llimeht: cool |
| 23:05.31 | spacepluk | zu22: If you want to run eclipse you better install sun's |
| 23:05.42 | zu22 | spacepluk: ok yeah i want eclipse |
| 23:05.51 | zu22 | i heard ibm may buy sun :) |
| 23:06.09 | oh_noes | izzyb: I need to mirror for my 30+ Servers. There is a seperate cleanup script I know, when I run it manually it all runs fine, downloads contents and gives me the cleanup script to run. However, the nightly cron job (/etc/cron.d/apt-mirror) doesn't seem to download content. Just headers. |
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| 23:07.04 | izzyb | oh_noes, not sure. I only ran it for a short time then discovered apt-proxy. It does basicly the same thing as apt-mirror but only downloads the packages that you actually request |
| 23:07.05 | fas3r | i have problem with library path, i have add line in /etc/ld.so.conf but i don't remember the commmand to update it .. :s |
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| 23:07.14 | spacepluk | zu22: you need "nonfree" in your sources |
| 23:07.30 | spacepluk | and then you'll see the sun-java* packages |
| 23:07.35 | izzyb | oh_noes, so if one server requests a package, then it will be cached locally for when the rest of them do the same request |
| 23:07.35 | ZigBee | stew: why does " apt-get install" always show: a0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 23:07.36 | zu22 | spacepluk: ok, great, thx |
| 23:07.37 | ZigBee | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.00 | zu22 | that would be great if ibm buys sun |
| 23:08.01 | stew | eclipse has worked with free java implementations for years |
| 23:08.04 | izzyb | oh_noes, cuts down a lot of unneeded bandwidth wast since you only download the stuff you actually use |
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| 23:08.08 | zu22 | stew: ah |
| 23:08.20 | phantomcircuit | squeeze is the testing branch right? it is more stable than sid? |
| 23:08.22 | stew | (otherwise it woudlnt' be in debian) |
| 23:08.32 | zu22 | lenny is now stable branch |
| 23:08.33 | oh_noes | izzyb: yeah I know what the proxy does .. i need mirror though so I have zero delay internal installs |
| 23:08.36 | ZigBee | stew ? |
| 23:08.37 | zu22 | squeeze is testing |
| 23:08.45 | stew | phantomcircuit: it breaks less often, when it does, it stays broken longer. it currently gets no security support |
| 23:08.45 | phantomcircuit | zu22, yes im aware |
| 23:08.48 | zu22 | sid is unstable |
| 23:08.50 | llimeht | phantomcircuit: just after a stable release, nothing much is really stable. If you want stable, use lenny. If you have to ask, use lenny. |
| 23:08.51 | spacepluk | stew: I works, but the last time I tried it was a little bit unstable with the free implementation |
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| 23:09.04 | Mousey | use unstable/testing/stable all at the same time for best results |
| 23:09.07 | stew | ZigBee: that line seems pretty self explanitory, is there some part you don't understand? |
| 23:09.14 | Mousey | everybody will be afraid to support it |
| 23:09.19 | Mousey | but i find it's the best course of action |
| 23:09.19 | zu22 | stew: i thought testing always had security support eh? |
| 23:09.34 | ZigBee | stew: the part where it always tells me to update this package :( |
| 23:09.41 | stew | zu22: no, certainly not. sometimes the testing security team tries. sometimes the try and fail, right now they don't even try |
| 23:09.42 | ZigBee | this is ultra-annoying |
| 23:09.42 | llimeht | Mousey: No, that's the fastest way to a mess. |
| 23:09.48 | izzyb | oh_noes, <nod> |
| 23:09.56 | Mousey | stable and testing have security support, unstable doesn't have security support because it usually has the security update before testing and stable's security branches do |
| 23:10.01 | swordz | Right, I was about to download my iso, I've got Intel Pentium 4 so chose AMD64 architecture, so went to http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 23:10.04 | Mousey | llimeht: you say that, i've run debian that way since potato |
| 23:10.06 | zu22 | stew: interesting so only stable is getting security ok |
| 23:10.11 | swordz | Which of the 31 iso images do I want?! |
| 23:10.14 | llimeht | Mousey: testing does not have full security support. |
| 23:10.25 | Mousey | oh. oh well, unstable does =) |
| 23:10.28 | Mousey | and that's new |
| 23:10.28 | Mousey | cuz |
| 23:10.40 | Mousey | there used to be security.debian.org/testing |
| 23:10.41 | llimeht | Mousey: no, now you're just talking bollox |
| 23:10.41 | stew | zu22: oldstable also gets security, sid generally gets updated at the same time as stable/oldstable |
| 23:10.50 | zu22 | stew: nod |
| 23:10.51 | Mousey | and afaict there still is |
| 23:10.55 | stew | zu22: but if you need guaranteed security support, then yes, stable or oldstable |
| 23:11.03 | zu22 | stew: gotcha |
| 23:11.05 | Mousey | llimeht: whatever |
| 23:11.06 | maligor | swordz, I think you just need the first cd |
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| 23:11.14 | zu22 | i am running a server so i'll stick with stable |
| 23:11.18 | llimeht | dpkg: tell Mousey about testing security |
| 23:11.35 | maligor | swordz, or you can also use netinst images that download most packages over the net |
| 23:11.45 | Mousey | well thats new then |
| 23:11.47 | Mousey | still |
| 23:11.49 | Mousey | unstable ftw |
| 23:11.55 | stew | Mousey: which part is new? |
| 23:11.56 | swordz | that's not possible, a whole raft of reasons why not! |
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| 23:12.16 | Mousey | dpkg: tell stew about testing security |
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| 23:12.20 | ZigBee | stew: i'll make a test case |
| 23:12.26 | stew | Mousey: i'm well aware of the status of testing seuciryt |
| 23:12.30 | dkr | swordz: the system you are going to install it on is on a raft? :) |
| 23:12.35 | Mousey | its new to me, is what i was saying |
| 23:12.50 | swordz | My network is secured via mac addresses |
| 23:12.57 | swordz | we're only allowed 1 mac address |
| 23:13.04 | swordz | This comp has my mac address |
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| 23:13.15 | swordz | I'm moving my server home when it's set up |
| 23:13.31 | llimeht | Mousey: then you should be subscribed to d-d-a. Especially if you want to run sid. |
| 23:13.52 | dkr | swordz: put a second nic in your comp and NAT the net connection for the server, :) |
| 23:13.55 | Mousey | i don't want to run JUST sid, i want all three so i don't wind up with conflicts |
| 23:14.05 | abrotman | FLW! |
| 23:14.26 | llimeht | s/don't/do/ |
| 23:14.31 | stew | sid is not the place to go to avoid conflicts |
| 23:14.51 | swordz | dkr, I'd rather the other way round, the serverwill be on permamently, this won't, but I also don't have another nic |
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| 23:15.09 | swordz | tbh, there's SO many problems with doing this now! |
| 23:15.16 | dkr | swordz: no worries, just giving ideas |
| 23:15.28 | swordz | dkr, please do |
| 23:15.36 | zu22 | swords: google 'debian dmz iptables' |
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| 23:16.14 | swordz | I only have 1 port per computer |
| 23:16.21 | swordz | but thanks zu22 |
| 23:16.28 | ceil420 | wtf is 'squeeze' in Toy Story? |
| 23:16.42 | stew | ceil420: the three eyed green sqeezy aliens |
| 23:16.43 | rhalff | it get a parse error in /var/lib/dpkg/available , can I just delete that file and do an apt-get update ? |
| 23:16.52 | ceil420 | ohhh forgot about them |
| 23:17.04 | pl4yer0ne | !squeeze |
| 23:17.04 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
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| 23:17.13 | tetraedr | hi |
| 23:17.29 | ZigBee | stew: i have other stuff in my dpkg/status file but on apt-get showpkg it still shows only 1 time in versions... |
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| 23:18.15 | tetraedr | I've got some wierd problem with loopback interface: I can't connect to anything on 127.0.0.1 :( how do I at least diagnose whats going on? |
| 23:18.26 | jetx | typing on a pda blows |
| 23:18.29 | ZigBee | skew: i think it's rleated to teh problem |
| 23:18.41 | jetx | can you tell i'm not on a pda anymore |
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| 23:19.20 | ZigBee | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa |
| 23:19.22 | ZigBee | annoying |
| 23:19.54 | ZigBee | anybody else got any idea why apt-get always wants to update this package even though it's the latest ver ? |
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| 23:20.56 | spacepluk | update-manager prints this log: current dist not found in meta-release file |
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| 23:22.38 | spacepluk | I'm using testing/unstable is that normal? |
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| 23:23.18 | jetx | are you specifying sid, unstable, testing, or.. hey wtf is the new code name |
| 23:23.23 | jetx | in sources |
| 23:23.43 | pl4yer0ne | !squeeze |
| 23:23.44 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 23:23.50 | spacepluk | no, I've just testing and unstable |
| 23:23.54 | jetx | omg ralph |
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| 23:24.23 | jetx | no idea, i don't get that, i have both also |
| 23:24.28 | jetx | lemme check which |
| 23:24.29 | spacepluk | mm |
| 23:24.32 | spacepluk | thanks |
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| 23:25.15 | jetx | oh. no i stopped doing that. pure sid. |
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| 23:25.23 | jetx | says sid in the sources though |
| 23:25.39 | pl4yer0ne | spacepluk, can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:25.44 | asdfqwer | what should i do if debconf reports it can't intialize my frontend? |
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| 23:25.51 | spacepluk | pl4yer0ne: sure, just 1 min |
| 23:25.56 | jetx | front end for what |
| 23:26.07 | jetx | it may be apt-get install dialog |
| 23:26.10 | asdfqwer | of my x server i assume |
| 23:26.12 | jetx | no idea though |
| 23:26.14 | asdfqwer | i have dialog |
| 23:26.27 | asdfqwer | it can't intialize gnome and falls back on dialog |
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| 23:26.49 | spacepluk | http://paste.debian.net/30930/ |
| 23:26.50 | jetx | in the same 'thing'/error ? |
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| 23:27.39 | jetx | or is the dialog fallback unrelated |
| 23:27.45 | pl4yer0ne | spacepluk, in a console do an apt-get update |
| 23:27.46 | asdfqwer | unrelaetd |
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| 23:27.56 | asdfqwer | i think the issue is with either gnome or x |
| 23:28.20 | jetx | you can fix the dialog thing with update-alternatives btw or installing the gnome/x one .. no idea about the front end.. |
| 23:28.26 | spacepluk | pl4yer0ne: that works fine, I only have problems with update-manager |
| 23:28.37 | pl4yer0ne | thats wierd |
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| 23:29.01 | jetx | tries something |
| 23:29.05 | llimeht | asdfqwer: rather than have us guess, how about you pastebin the actual error and the command that generated it |
| 23:29.06 | jetx | !debconf frontend |
| 23:29.11 | jetx | darn |
| 23:29.15 | jetx | aha |
| 23:29.15 | ajavid | huh |
| 23:29.20 | jetx | hey dude |
| 23:29.22 | ajavid | yo |
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| 23:30.01 | spacepluk | pl4yer0ne: can you post your /var/etc/update-manager/meta-release ? |
| 23:30.10 | asdfqwer | jetx, well i think frontend is basically just your desktop-env, so gnome, kde, etc. |
| 23:30.13 | jetx | but it sounds more to me like a front end to debconf |
| 23:30.25 | asdfqwer | true |
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| 23:30.40 | jetx | do what he said and paste the stuff eh plz |
| 23:30.42 | zzattack | apt-get insists on removing pure-ftpd when I try to install proftpd, although I'd like to run both alongside eachother. can I tell dpkg to just do as i say? |
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| 23:31.10 | jetx | that would mess with the 'provides ftp' |
| 23:31.14 | jetx | or ftpd |
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| 23:31.21 | zzattack | ftpserver i think |
| 23:31.29 | jetx | a local copy in local or so |
| 23:31.32 | jetx | d |
| 23:31.33 | llimeht | zzattack: no, and it's not really sensible to have two ftp servers running on the same machine anyway. |
| 23:31.41 | llimeht | s/two/any/ |
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| 23:31.51 | dkr | heh |
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| 23:32.05 | zzattack | llimeht: i prefer proftpd, but it wont authenticate against md5 hashes |
| 23:32.53 | asdfqwer | llimeht, the problem is i don't really know how this occoured; everytime i attempt to run gdm it fails 6 times, and reports that my display server failed to intialize |
| 23:33.09 | zzattack | jetx: you mean building it and running make install? |
| 23:34.02 | pl4yer0ne | spacepluk, I dont have any etc in var |
| 23:34.05 | llimeht | asdfqwer: how about you start at the beginning. What version of debian? What are you doing? What's not working? |
| 23:34.12 | jetx | i mean installing to local/bin or whatever. sure, compile it if you want |
| 23:34.34 | zzattack | jetx: can I also install the debian package to local/bin? |
| 23:34.55 | jetx | zzattack: yes you can but i don't know how |
| 23:34.56 | llimeht | zzattack: I find that hard to believe |
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| 23:35.28 | jetx | they said how to in here earlier though |
| 23:35.34 | jetx | or at least how to man for it |
| 23:35.41 | zzattack | llimeht: me too at first ;( |
| 23:35.53 | jetx | ah |
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| 23:36.07 | jetx | asdfqwer: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:36.10 | jetx | iirc |
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| 23:36.29 | spacepluk | pl4yer0ne: sorry I don't know how I typed that. I mean /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release |
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| 23:36.45 | pl4yer0ne | brb real work calls |
| 23:38.21 | fas3r | i have add /usr/local/lib in ld.so.conf. i have execute ldconfig but it don't change anything someone have an idea? |
| 23:38.21 | pl4yer0ne | spacepluk, that file list all the ubuntu releases |
| 23:38.51 | pl4yer0ne | so im going to guess debian doesnt use it |
| 23:39.45 | spacepluk | weird, I don't have that file and did something like this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515965 |
| 23:39.51 | jetx | gah duh ... i do stil use sid and testing |
| 23:40.00 | jetx | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 23:40.14 | jetx | so maybe it's the .. what? squooze? |
| 23:40.39 | pl4yer0ne | !squeeze |
| 23:40.39 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 23:40.42 | pl4yer0ne | =D |
| 23:40.44 | jetx | i was close |
| 23:41.04 | jetx | i don't get that error he did so |
| 23:42.08 | sharp15 | 0 /quit |
| 23:42.10 | sharp15 | sorry. |
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| 23:42.23 | pl4yer0ne | yeah using all those different releases is asking for trouble. |
| 23:42.59 | jetx | never had any |
| 23:43.29 | pl4yer0ne | doesnt mean your not asking for it =) |
| 23:43.47 | ajavid | squooze |
| 23:43.48 | ajavid | lol |
| 23:43.54 | pl4yer0ne | and I am willing to bet you have had at least some trouble but managed to work it out. |
| 23:44.08 | jetscreamer | not with those two in sources |
| 23:44.10 | jetscreamer | not from that |
| 23:44.16 | jetscreamer | other trouble sure |
| 23:44.37 | pl4yer0ne | OR your a massive liar and are psoting this from your friends mac because your system is so horribly screwed you cant use it and you dont want to admit it to us all now. |
| 23:44.48 | pl4yer0ne | hehe |
| 23:44.50 | jetscreamer | damn you found me out! |
| 23:44.52 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 23:45.20 | jetscreamer | cept only person i know with a mac is my sister in law |
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| 23:48.02 | jetscreamer | !greet abrotman |
| 23:48.03 | dpkg | Hello, abrotman |
| 23:48.12 | jetscreamer | oh lame |
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| 23:49.39 | karsten | What are the non-debian repos which are useful w/ lenny? |
| 23:49.49 | karsten | marillat / debian-multimedia? Any others? |
| 23:50.23 | llimeht | karsten: winehq and skype if you're into that sort of thing... |
| 23:51.09 | Alam_Lenny | why look at http://www.debian-database.org/ ? |
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| 23:52.01 | karsten | llimeht: thanks. Didn't know about skype. Details> |
| 23:52.09 | karsten | s/>/?/ |
| 23:52.19 | llimeht | karsten: also bpo. (/msg dpkg skype) |
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| 23:52.51 | karsten | llimeht: bpo shouldn't be necessary. |
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| 23:53.00 | karsten | llimeht: skype still requires a skype acct, right? |
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| 23:53.31 | lepine_w | is there an app that can query an ntp server but NOT set the time? |
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| 23:53.52 | lepine_w | nm, ntpdate -d |
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| 23:55.26 | Younix | why can't i mount a mini dvd? |
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| 23:55.39 | Younix | my optical drive reads normal dvds |
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| 23:55.59 | pl4yer0ne | does it support mini dvds |
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| 23:56.10 | Younix | not sure |
| 23:56.14 | Younix | how do i found out? |
| 23:56.35 | pl4yer0ne | check the manufacturer |
| 23:56.38 | JordiGH | I need a useragent for Debian Blizzardmammal in order to make some site think I |
| 23:56.49 | JordiGH | I'm using Firefox 3 on Windows. |
| 23:57.04 | JordiGH | Anyone got the right useragent string handy? I can't find it on the Google. |
| 23:57.13 | *** join/#debian eanda (n=eanda@216.207.14.136) |
| 23:57.15 | Younix | pl4yer0ne: jesus in heaven. |
| 23:57.20 | *** join/#debian DRPP (n=flowman4@41.219.255.93) |
| 23:57.34 | JordiGH | wishes Jesus manufactured his hardware. |
| 23:58.02 | Younix | pl4yer0ne: it has the little area for smaller discs |
| 23:58.04 | Younix | in the tray |
| 23:58.06 | Younix | so..? |
| 23:58.44 | eanda | hey all i installed fvwm-crystal and that provides for audacious but I can't get audacious to load and play an audio cd. any help here |
| 23:58.46 | pl4yer0ne | I dunno dude its your drive |
| 23:58.59 | Younix | uh, well...why would that area be there if it didn't support it? |
| 23:59.02 | Younix | that'd be useless |
| 23:59.22 | llimeht | JordiGH: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.6) Gecko/2009020409 Iceweasel/3.0.6 (Debian-3.0.6-1) |
| 23:59.38 | JordiGH | llimeht: No, the Windows string... that's the one I need. |
| 23:59.38 | pl4yer0ne | well I ahve never seen a mini dvd only cds so I dunno |
| 23:59.44 | Younix | oh kill me |
