| 00:00.09 | JordiGH | Oh, hey. Experts exchange expose answers to the Googlebot. |
| 00:00.17 | JordiGH | notes that for future reference. |
| 00:00.29 | llimeht | JordiGH: oh, sorry. Other way around. /msg dpkg iceweasel user-agent |
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| 00:00.53 | karsten | Younix: Sure. |
| 00:01.07 | llimeht | JordiGH: if you're looking at EE, then (a) you have other problems anyway (b) just scroll down |
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| 00:02.08 | JordiGH | I'd like peoples to fix their damn websites too. |
| 00:02.30 | JordiGH | smacks the peoples of the internets. |
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| 00:05.08 | JordiGH | llimeht: No, I'm not looking at Experts Exchange. I just think it's a dirty tactic to expose their answers to Googlebot but not their users. I wonder if that's a violation of the TOS of Google? |
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| 00:06.26 | llimeht | JordiGH: many publishers do that (think publishers of scientific journals). And for the site that's being scraped by googlebot, there are no terms of service. You're free to serve whatever content you want to whomever you want. it's your content, after all. |
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| 00:07.33 | JordiGH | llimeht: Google reserves the right to blacklist your website if you fool the googlebot. They say so in their FAQ. |
| 00:07.48 | llimeht | That's their loss though... |
| 00:07.55 | JordiGH | But then again, maybe I don't want to patch this security hole. I'd rather exploit it. |
| 00:08.01 | JordiGH | >:-) |
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| 00:09.49 | JordiGH | Hey, console jukebox? |
| 00:09.56 | JordiGH | I need something to play my oggs. |
| 00:10.07 | abrotman | hey, /msg dpkg search |
| 00:10.30 | revlo | hi, is there a nicer tool to update init scripts then update-rc.d? eg one that looks in the requeired-start and required-stop lines of the (lsb) init scripts and computes the order for me according to that info? |
| 00:10.49 | abrotman | rcconf is another |
| 00:10.52 | JordiGH | abrotman: Search for what? |
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| 00:11.12 | gravity | How do I ran search? |
| 00:11.18 | JordiGH | abrotman: Searching for "console jukebox" comes up blank. |
| 00:12.00 | abrotman | you're doing it wrong |
| 00:12.05 | simonrvn | try text music |
| 00:12.18 | simonrvn | or console music |
| 00:12.53 | JordiGH | Hm, xmms? |
| 00:13.00 | llimeht | dpkg: tell JordiGH about xmms |
| 00:13.12 | simonrvn | xmms2 has a console client |
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| 00:13.23 | JordiGH | llimeht: I meant 2, of course. |
| 00:13.46 | liable | cplay ftw |
| 00:14.38 | gravity | There's a zillion console-based music players. |
| 00:15.00 | JordiGH | Any of those with a curses interface? :-) |
| 00:15.14 | liable | cplay |
| 00:15.25 | llimeht | aplay! |
| 00:15.50 | revlo | mp3blaster is with curses (was with curses?) |
| 00:16.11 | gravity | JordiGH: Dude... |
| 00:16.52 | JordiGH | Aw, cplay doesn't do utf-8 cyrillic. :-( |
| 00:17.06 | JordiGH | My Russian collection... incomprehensible. |
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| 00:18.54 | llimeht | It's more likely that either your terminal (emulator) or font are not set up for utf-8. |
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| 00:19.46 | JordiGH | llimeht: No, I can read the text fine in bash. |
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| 00:20.02 | JordiGH | llimeht: Aw, the French music is messed up too. |
| 00:20.11 | JordiGH | but at least it's readabale. |
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| 00:24.17 | starfruit | is there a page like this for amd processors? http://processorfinder.intel.com/List.aspx?ParentRadio=All&ProcFam=483&SearchKey= |
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| 00:27.07 | simonrvn | starfruit: tried their (amd.com) site? |
| 00:27.28 | basix | hello all! can someone please point me to a tool that'll process my apache access logs and produce some interesting results? I'm particularly interested in looking at the queries that are landing people on my pages. |
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| 00:27.51 | simonrvn | !tell basix -about search |
| 00:28.05 | adama | basix: grep :) |
| 00:28.23 | llimeht | sed! |
| 00:28.37 | adama | cut! |
| 00:28.40 | abrotman | starfruit: ask ##hardware |
| 00:28.41 | liable | basix: awstats |
| 00:28.42 | basix | simonrvn: i know about apt. i'm trying to draw on knowledge of the brilliant people here! :| |
| 00:28.52 | basix | adama: ^^ :) |
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| 00:29.36 | starfruit | ok, i will try #harddware |
| 00:29.36 | basix | liable: awstats doesn't give everything...i'm looking specifically for entire queries and awstats separates the keywords, doesn't give the whole queries |
| 00:29.47 | simonrvn | basix: actually read what the bot told you. try that. |
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| 00:30.08 | abrotman | debtags search works-with::logfile |
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| 00:31.14 | basix | simonrvn: apt-cache search apache | grep logs gives me only a couple of packages... |
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| 00:31.23 | karsten | Yay. nvidia drivers. m-a kicks ass. |
| 00:31.33 | ceil420 | do i just have to put all four of these files on a flash drive and boot with said drive to start a nice netinst of sexeh Sid? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 00:31.55 | basix | ceil420: try unetbootin |
| 00:32.04 | abrotman | ceil420: try it and see ... |
| 00:32.18 | ceil420 | basix, try what? |
| 00:32.32 | adama | unetbootin is awesome |
| 00:32.34 | ceil420 | abrotman, i'm asking because i did try with all but the md5sums and it told me to install an OS first :x |
| 00:32.35 | basix | ceil420: unetbootin :/ its a program. just ******* google it |
| 00:32.37 | basix | :P |
| 00:32.38 | liable | ceil420: read the installation manual for booting from usb |
| 00:32.52 | basix | ceil420: why do you want to use sid anyway? |
| 00:32.54 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 00:32.55 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 00:33.17 | ceil420 | basix, cos it doesn't freeze packages for 18 months |
| 00:33.38 | basix | ceil420: use Ubuntu then... |
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| 00:33.41 | abrotman | that's a really dumb reason |
| 00:33.48 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 00:33.48 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 00:33.48 | basix | i agree |
| 00:34.27 | ceil420 | it's a totally awesome reason |
| 00:34.29 | basix | ceil420: if you want the latest, bleeding edge softwares then you're better off using Ubuntu... |
| 00:34.32 | ceil420 | also, i'm testing |
| 00:34.41 | basix | cool :P |
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| 00:34.48 | abrotman | right .. so figure out your own usb installer .. you should be capable |
| 00:34.49 | ceil420 | basix, freezes for 6mos and every time (3) i've tried to dist-upgrade it's broken |
| 00:35.00 | gravity | I think it's a fine reason |
| 00:35.06 | basix | ceil420: Ubuntu? |
| 00:35.13 | abrotman | gravity: not really .. since sid also freezes before release |
| 00:35.27 | abrotman | effectively anyways |
| 00:35.27 | gravity | abrotman: Sure, but that's how often? |
| 00:35.36 | ceil420 | basix, yesh |
| 00:35.39 | abrotman | gravity: every 18 months according to him |
| 00:35.47 | gravity | Close enough |
| 00:36.03 | ceil420 | abrotman, what was the time from Etch going stable to Lenny going stable? |
| 00:36.07 | gravity | Anyway, I like sid because it's fun. You get to see things changing all the time. It's a fine reason to run it. |
| 00:36.11 | abrotman | so every 15 months .. unstable grinds to a halt for three months .. |
| 00:36.19 | abrotman | !release history |
| 00:36.19 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
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| 00:36.53 | ceil420 | sorry, 22 months |
| 00:36.57 | gravity | Just don't run it without realizing that there will be breakages and that it's your responsibility to deal with it |
| 00:37.02 | abrotman | gravity: but you're capable of fixing debian issues .. |
| 00:37.04 | gravity | You pay for the fun |
| 00:37.10 | dvs | sarge was the worst! |
| 00:37.10 | gravity | abrotman: I wasn't always |
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| 00:37.26 | abrotman | gravity: yeah .. and you didn't always run unstable |
| 00:37.42 | gravity | abrotman: I ran unstable for a much longer time than I was able to do much. You get by. |
| 00:37.49 | ceil420 | i've been running Sid since november with no major headaches |
| 00:37.59 | abrotman | see .. that's like .. five whole months! |
| 00:38.07 | abrotman | you know .. since it was basically frozen for four of those |
| 00:38.09 | gravity | Of course, when things did break I enjoyed learning why |
| 00:38.12 | llimeht | gravity: remember that you have clue... |
| 00:38.12 | ceil420 | yeah, it's awesome |
| 00:38.21 | llimeht | !sidsmite ceil420 |
| 00:38.21 | dpkg | smacks ceil420 with a crippling libstdc++5 bug |
| 00:38.25 | ceil420 | falls over |
| 00:38.27 | dvs | runs testing because he's lazy |
| 00:38.29 | gravity | llimeht: Well, I didn't always. I was a n00b just like everyone else for along while. |
| 00:38.51 | llimeht | (and if you don't know what a crippling libstd++5 bug means then says it all) |
| 00:38.58 | abrotman | llimeht: gravity was once five years old too! :) |
| 00:39.03 | gravity | heh |
| 00:39.06 | ajavid | lol |
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| 00:39.48 | JordiGH | So this website for a test for a job application threatens me that the test might not work with Firefox, but only when I tell it I'm running iceweasel. If I tell it I'm running Firefox, the threat goes away. |
| 00:40.05 | JordiGH | Should I risk it? It's a timed test, for a job. |
| 00:40.10 | ajavid | its fine |
| 00:40.13 | abrotman | it's your job .. why are you asking us |
| 00:40.23 | Mousey | goes the 4chan rout |
| 00:40.29 | Mousey | do it!!! |
| 00:40.30 | JordiGH | Because it's fun to mock stupid website makers. |
| 00:40.31 | ajavid | about:config look for string 'useragent' or 'user-agent' or 'agent' |
| 00:40.33 | ajavid | whatever |
| 00:40.36 | ajavid | change iceweasel to firefox |
| 00:40.38 | ajavid | be done with it |
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| 00:40.44 | oh_noes | is it posisble to install a package of a specific version? apt-get install app_name 3.1.2? |
| 00:40.45 | abrotman | JordiGH: can we mock you for asking stupid questions? |
| 00:40.57 | abrotman | oh_noes: yes .. aptitude install foo=1.2.3 |
| 00:41.12 | dvs | no, app_name=3.1.2 ;-) |
| 00:41.15 | Hydroxide | oh_noes: is the version you want in one of the repositories that apt is currently looking at? |
| 00:41.17 | basix | ceil420: okay...do it at your risk. I recently switched one of my machines from Sid to Ubuntu 8.10. The overall result is very positive. Nothings wrong with Sid, its just too hardcore and meant for developers / testers. So if you're okay with struggling to get your bluetooth functioning or such crap I'd recommend going with Sid :) |
| 00:41.22 | llimeht | oh_noes: it is. man aptitude. But apt still has to be able to find that version and it may or may not work once installed |
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| 00:41.48 | ceil420 | basix, i don't even have a bluetooth.. what is it, dongle? card? |
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| 00:42.09 | gravity | o_O |
| 00:42.12 | JordiGH | ceil420: A networking protocol. |
| 00:42.14 | Hydroxide | oh_noes: if yes, then abrotman / dvs have the right solution. if not, you can probably grab it from http://snapshot.debian.net/ and install it with dpkg -i, but first verify with dpkg --info <the deb file> that the dependencies are satisfied |
| 00:42.35 | ceil420 | anyway, i only care about the available software, and xchat, firefox, pan, gimp, gkrellm, enlightenment, xfce4-terminal, screen... etc all work fine |
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| 00:42.40 | ceil420 | JordiGH, i mean the PC interface |
| 00:42.41 | basix | ceil420: its a card... |
| 00:42.45 | abrotman | gravity: see .. shouldn't be running unstable .. |
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| 00:42.50 | Hydroxide | oh_noes: and remember that Debian probably won't support anything you get from http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 00:43.02 | gravity | abrotman: Meh, you gain clue by triumphing over adversity |
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| 00:43.12 | abrotman | gravity: or reading? |
| 00:43.23 | `Abo | does anyone knows where is the file with active counters for iptables on debian? |
| 00:43.32 | gravity | As long as ceil420 knows that when things break, and they can definitely break *HARD*, it's up to him to deal with it, it's ok |
| 00:43.35 | gravity | abrotman: that too |
| 00:43.44 | ajavid | 8 years on a sid machine |
| 00:43.57 | ajavid | hardly any problems that I couldn't deal with |
| 00:43.58 | ceil420 | gravity, there's a reason all my personal data and media are on separate drives :p |
| 00:44.01 | dkr | `Abo: you mean like a count of the number of packets that have matched each rule? e.g. iptables -vnL ? |
| 00:44.08 | ajavid | you can't learn unless you use |
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| 00:44.11 | gravity | ceil420: There you go. Well done. Have fun. |
| 00:44.12 | ceil420 | i can just ghost / and start over if i have to |
| 00:44.16 | ceil420 | cheers :) |
| 00:44.17 | streuner_ | ajavid: well well |
| 00:44.28 | ajavid | streuner_, hi hi |
| 00:44.33 | ajavid | with a tail streuner |
| 00:44.46 | ceil420 | and abrotman it's not like i'm in here with issues every day; i go weeks without speaking a word in this channel |
| 00:44.52 | basix | ajavid: i'm on sid for the past 2 years. its been a rocky ride for sure. i wouldn't recommend sid unless he/she is a hardcore dev and has time to fix stuff :P |
| 00:44.54 | `Abo | dkr, a file containing iptables rules I mean |
| 00:44.58 | gravity | would rather have people having fun with Debian than fretting over exactly which branch they should use |
| 00:44.59 | abrotman | ceil420: i'll remember that .. |
| 00:45.12 | ceil420 | just so happens i've owned a flash drive for all of 2hrs, nevermind having much experience installing an OS with it, especially on a laptop |
| 00:45.14 | ajavid | I started with stable |
| 00:45.16 | streuner_ | ajavid: D |
| 00:45.24 | dkr | `Abo: I just make my own /etc/init.d/firewall script :) |
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| 00:45.29 | ajavid | like everyone, and then just... now my whole ssytem is a garbage put together |
| 00:45.39 | streuner_ | ajavid: Did you remember the libc6 problems some years ago in sid? |
| 00:45.40 | ajavid | experimental, source buils, stable, testing, gah |
| 00:45.48 | `Abo | dkr, do you know some sites with basic iptables rules? good one which can protect a machine? |
| 00:45.56 | dvs | streuner_: I was just thinking about that. |
| 00:46.01 | ajavid | streuner_, yeh, I took are not to update much during that time |
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| 00:46.14 | ajavid | there was soem pam issues a year or two before that too |
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| 00:46.15 | ajavid | no biggie |
| 00:46.18 | oh_noes | Hydroxide: thanks, I run my own in house repo for a custom application so I wasnt sure if it was possible. Im coming from allowing QA to install an older version for testing |
| 00:46.19 | dkr | `Abo: you might want to check out shorewall |
| 00:46.28 | `Abo | dkr, whats that? |
| 00:46.37 | dkr | !shorewall |
| 00:46.37 | dpkg | The Shoreline Firewall, more commonly known as "Shorewall", is a Netfilter (iptables) based firewall that can be used on a dedicated firewall system, a multi-function gateway/router/server or on a standalone GNU/Linux system. See http://www.shorewall.net/, #shorewall @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:46.45 | streuner_ | ajavid: sure, but not for new users... |
| 00:46.49 | ajavid | of course not |
| 00:46.55 | ajavid | totally agree |
| 00:47.00 | streuner_ | so dont tell us here about sid... |
| 00:47.01 | basix | the straw that broke the camels back was that I was fed up with the stupid gnome breakages on sid. For some reason sid thought it was funny to uninstall gnome while autoremoving some packages :P i reinstalled gnome from experimental and i was in hell then :D |
| 00:48.00 | ajavid | streuner_, I can if I want to. |
| 00:48.00 | dkr | `Abo: and it's a debian package, too, of course |
| 00:48.00 | streuner_ | you already did :-) |
| 00:48.01 | ajavid | heh shaddup |
| 00:48.01 | ajavid | :) |
| 00:48.30 | ajavid | I'm gonna go to subway and get a footlong and some cookies bye |
| 00:48.39 | abrotman | gravity: fun usually means figuring it out on your own .. |
| 00:48.55 | llimeht | s/on your own// |
| 00:49.03 | gravity | abrotman: True also. |
| 00:49.14 | gravity | Hopefully he realizes that also |
| 00:49.24 | abrotman | llimeht: it's fine to ask for help ? |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | erm .. fun |
| 00:49.48 | ceil420 | subway ftw |
| 00:49.49 | llimeht | abrotman: I was meaning in the "at all" sense. |
| 00:50.13 | Ace2017_- | realisticly speaking, how hard is it to switch filesystems? |
| 00:50.19 | Ace2017_- | jfs > xfs? |
| 00:50.25 | streuner_ | hard |
| 00:50.32 | streuner_ | backup, restore ;-) |
| 00:50.35 | llimeht | !permasunday |
| 00:50.36 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 00:50.36 | Ace2017_- | wants to avoid a reinstall |
| 00:50.38 | ceil420 | Ace2017_-, wanna reinstall everything? :p |
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| 00:50.54 | Ace2017_- | the config and package setup is perfect, as close to perfect as can be |
| 00:51.23 | streuner_ | Why do you want switch to xfs? |
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| 00:51.29 | streuner_ | its a nightmare |
| 00:51.34 | basix | Ace2017_-: depends on which partition you want to switch... |
| 00:51.41 | `Abo | dkr, so I only need to configure shorewall.conf from /etc/shorewall and start shorewall? thats it? |
| 00:51.43 | llimeht | streuner_: Perhaps he's got a good UPS and wants to try it out |
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| 00:52.00 | ceil420 | heh |
| 00:52.07 | Ace2017_- | basix: the root partition |
| 00:52.08 | ceil420 | you can use reiserfs |
| 00:52.13 | ceil420 | i hear it's ki...nevermind |
| 00:52.20 | llimeht | dpkg: tell Ace2017_- about aptitude clone |
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| 00:52.21 | dvs | heh |
| 00:52.26 | basix | Ace2017_-: you'll have to format and reinstall :) |
| 00:52.28 | dkr | `Abo: probably. I don't use it myself. read /usr/share/shorewall/README and the like, :) |
| 00:53.01 | dkr | `Abo: actually, aptitude install shorewall-doc |
| 00:53.03 | streuner_ | dpkg, start a FS war |
| 00:53.04 | dpkg | UDF uses too much overhead! |
| 00:53.25 | `Abo | file does not exist dkr |
| 00:53.29 | dkr | a universal document format would be interesting |
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| 00:53.41 | pl4yer0ne | at least it doesnt kill its family dpkg! |
| 00:53.51 | Ace2017_- | ok i guess i'll stick with jfs until it crashes, i've had dataloss on it when the system locked up, but i thought all journaling filesystems did that, but then i read xfs wouldn't so i hate jfs now |
| 00:53.57 | ceil420 | lol |
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| 00:54.10 | ceil420 | ext3 4 lyf |
| 00:54.13 | adama | `Abo: you will probably have to do /etc/init.d/shorewall start |
| 00:54.33 | adama | `Abo: also, use update-rc.d to make it start on boot if you want |
| 00:54.58 | `Abo | The firewall won't be started/stopped unless it is configured |
| 00:55.12 | adama | so do that? |
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| 00:56.15 | ma3x | hi. why after establishing an ipsec tunnel, i don't get the remote ip but still have the same old ip? i'm already on a different subnet from the remote ipsec router |
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| 01:04.04 | mimiloon | hi everybody, i have a question regarding VirtualBox and that is: I have a virtual hard-drive (100 gb and the space isn't allocated, currently, it takes up 7gigs) and when i try to copy it into a different physical drive (50gigs total size), i get an error message saying file Error "File too big" while copying ", but i have more than 10 gigs of free space in the other partition. Can anyone please help me resolve this issue |
| 01:04.51 | pl4yer0ne | mimiloon, sounds like the virtual hardrive has alocated all the space |
| 01:05.10 | pl4yer0ne | have you checked the reported file sizes? |
| 01:05.51 | mischief6 | i just installed lenny + xfce, but for some reason X wasn't installed even though i explicitly selected it. i tried installing X but i can't get it functional. can anyone help me? |
| 01:05.51 | mimiloon | pl4yer0ne: it's about 7 gigs |
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| 01:07.18 | pl4yer0ne | what file system are you trying to copy it to? can it support 2GB+ files? |
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| 01:07.36 | llimeht | sparse file support is needed too |
| 01:08.06 | mimiloon | pl4yer0ne: it's fat32 |
| 01:08.15 | pl4yer0ne | bingo theres your problem |
| 01:08.23 | mischief6 | fat32 doesn't support large files :x |
| 01:08.50 | pl4yer0ne | hence most of the virtual machine softwares have a split files into 2gb chunks option |
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| 01:09.48 | mimiloon | pl4yer0ne and mischief6: thanks for the into |
| 01:10.02 | pl4yer0ne | no worries |
| 01:10.06 | squisher | hey guys, does anyone know why there seem to be no new packages entering sid for the list couple of days? |
| 01:10.47 | squisher | s/list/last/ |
| 01:10.48 | JordiGH | squisher: ftpmasters are having a picnic? |
| 01:10.59 | dondelelcaro | squisher: new versions of packages should have just entered sid about 12 hours ago |
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| 01:12.09 | eitan | Hello all... I need to know how to configure debian to use the specific drivers for my intel i865 graphics chipset |
| 01:12.19 | eitan | Can anyone help with that? |
| 01:12.29 | squisher | hmm, did the output of the update change? Do we still get these diff's? |
| 01:13.07 | abrotman | eitan: it's probably already using them |
| 01:13.17 | eitan | abrotman: it's not |
| 01:13.23 | abrotman | eitan: etch or lenny ? |
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| 01:13.26 | eitan | lenny |
| 01:13.43 | abrotman | eitan: look at your X logs .. it's likely using the intel driver already |
| 01:14.02 | eitan | abrotman: where can I find the logs? |
| 01:14.09 | abrotman | /var/log/ |
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| 01:16.08 | eitan | abrotman: ok.. I guess it's using them, but the display is very sluggish ... any tips on speeding up the slow redraws and slow reactions? |
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| 01:18.06 | neosmatrix | thank god, thank you all, THANKs debootstrap. I hadn't to install new :D |
| 01:18.18 | abrotman | make sure you're using enough video ram .. not sure if XAA works on i8xx |
| 01:18.36 | eitan | abrotman: the display basically can't keep up with my mouse... is there something in the configuration that could be making it slow? |
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| 01:19.33 | abrotman | eitan: i have something similar .. works fine here |
| 01:19.39 | abrotman | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
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| 01:20.05 | eitan | abrotman: how did you get it to report that to you? |
| 01:20.13 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:20.42 | eitan | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 01:21.32 | eitan | abrotman: well... my gnome stuff is very sluggish... so is iceweasel... as I move over buttons, they can't highlight themselves as fast as I move the mouse |
| 01:21.42 | eitan | abrotman: it's like I'm using a 286 |
| 01:21.52 | abrotman | with how much RAM ? |
| 01:22.01 | eitan | abrotman: 4 gigs |
| 01:22.44 | abrotman | eitan: so it's a pretty new machine ? |
| 01:22.44 | eitan | abrotman: I know it's not my computer because I have a dual boot with windows and windows is instant redraws... no delays |
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| 01:23.12 | eitan | abrotman: new enough... p4 2ghz 4gig ram |
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| 01:23.35 | eitan | abrotman: I had the same problem with etch, but never got around to fixing it |
| 01:24.01 | abrotman | eitan: how much video ram? (not sure if that would impact it) |
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| 01:25.10 | eitan | abrotman: well the i865 chipset uses system ram, as far as I know |
| 01:26.01 | abrotman | yes, it should |
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| 01:30.23 | streuner_ | eitan: you told us you are using that driver with etch too, so it was the whole time so slow? |
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| 01:30.38 | eitan | abrotman: I mean it's so achingly slow... when I drag a window around, I get the effect of multiple images of the same window and they slowly get erased one by one after a few seconds |
| 01:31.43 | eitan | streuner_: yes... no one could figure out what was wrong. I'm telling you, the system is VERY fast in windows, which is upsetting because I'm trying to avoid using windows. |
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| 01:32.04 | abrotman | eitan: did you try any of the options in the intel man page? |
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| 01:33.54 | eitan | abrotman: I don't know how to do the xorg configuration for intel, let alone set options. I'm not a linux wiz. |
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| 01:34.16 | eitan | Actually I was hoping this problem would be fixed in lenny... no such luck. |
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| 01:34.35 | abrotman | eitan: look through the log for something that says it might not be working correctly |
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| 01:37.31 | eitan | abrotman: I wouldn't know what to look for. I put it in pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/1364837 |
| 01:37.52 | eitan | abrotman: can you look it over ? |
| 01:38.34 | abrotman | eitan: what's in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
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| 01:40.49 | eitan | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1364841 |
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| 01:41.20 | abrotman | eitan: try mving your xorg.conf to xorg.conf.SLOW .. and restart X .. see if it works better |
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| 01:43.35 | eitan | abrotman: how do I restart x? |
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| 01:43.58 | abrotman | if you don't know, restart the box |
| 01:44.09 | spook- | startx ? |
| 01:44.29 | abrotman | i assume he used some sort of DM |
| 01:44.44 | spook- | ah |
| 01:45.22 | eitan | abrotman... ok .. I'll restart the box and see you guys in a bit |
| 01:45.41 | timob | network question: if i have a route to localhost useing lo interface and i connect to my webserver listening on localhost... why does it show the client coming from the ethernet card ip address? |
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| 01:47.18 | dbbolton | my old desktop won't boot or display the bios when i turn it on. instead the pc speaker beeps repeatedly. what should i check? |
| 01:47.29 | squisher | dbbolton, graphics card |
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| 01:47.58 | peterrooney | timob: probably because all outgoing traffic is routed through that interface. |
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| 01:48.25 | jeeves | what would the command be to sync the local drive with a remote servers? I have a bunch of MP3s on the server, and my local copy needs to be updated. |
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| 01:48.41 | squisher | jeeves, look at rsync |
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| 01:48.50 | peterrooney | dbbolton: put some memory in the machine. |
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| 01:49.04 | peterrooney | just missed ! |
| 01:49.07 | timob | peterrooney: i have a route that says anything going to localhost use loop back interface. |
| 01:49.18 | jeeves | squisher, would be be rsync user@<remote_box> <local directory> ? |
| 01:49.43 | squisher | jeeves, probably, but if I was you I'd briefly look at the man page or the --help output :) |
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| 01:50.41 | peterrooney | timob: dunno. does the order of routes matter? |
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| 01:52.13 | timob | peterrooney: could do ... i think default is checked last |
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| 01:52.55 | daedhel | hi! small question. what is the equivalent to "alt + F2" in command line in gnome? |
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| 01:54.04 | squisher | daedhel, press ALT-F2 and look at the output of 'ps x' in a terminal |
| 01:54.29 | daedhel | squisher, won't work, i'm usign compiz |
| 01:55.00 | squisher | and I'm not using gnome, so I can't tell you either :) |
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| 01:55.35 | daedhel | thanks anyway! |
| 01:55.53 | eitan | abrotman: it's still the same |
| 01:56.30 | abrotman | eitan: i thought you had a fast machine? |
| 01:57.17 | eitan | abrotman: I do... the windowing and display is slow in linux... (oh do you mean the restart...) |
| 01:57.53 | eitan | abrotman: just when I was about to restart my girlfriend called and asked for traffic information since she's coming home from work and obama is in town causing traffic |
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| 01:58.16 | eitan | eitan: my system takes 45 seconds to boot into debian lenny |
| 01:58.22 | abrotman | eitan: california sucks! |
| 01:58.55 | abrotman | eitan: which WM do you use? |
| 01:58.57 | eitan | abrotman: I agree... except for the natural landscapes... yes it sucks. |
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| 01:59.08 | eitan | gnome? |
| 01:59.25 | eitan | abrotman: do you mean gnome? |
| 01:59.28 | abrotman | close enough |
| 01:59.43 | abrotman | eitan: there are some driver options that might help .. |
| 01:59.57 | squisher | maybe compositing is on? |
| 02:00.13 | eitan | abrotman: I hope so... if I can get this to work at a normal speed it'll finally be usable. |
| 02:00.32 | abrotman | have you tried another mouse or keyboard? |
| 02:00.35 | eitan | abrotman: I can't wait. |
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| 02:01.01 | eitan | abrotman: huh? what difference would that make? There's nothing particularly out of the ordinary about my mouse or keyboard. |
| 02:01.36 | eitan | eitan: I have a pc-ally usb mouse and and ibm 104 key keyboard (black ps2 type) |
| 02:01.48 | eitan | abrotman: I have a pc-ally usb mouse and and ibm 104 key keyboard (black ps2 type) |
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| 02:02.33 | streuner_ | eitan: which town is that, btw? :-) |
| 02:02.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:02.42 | abrotman | streuner_: it was just on tv .. |
| 02:02.55 | eitan | streuner_: lost angeles :) |
| 02:02.59 | streuner_ | and that causes traffic? |
| 02:03.14 | streuner_ | hm |
| 02:03.41 | eitan | streuner_: I guess there's a whole lot of people who took to the streets to see him |
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| 02:05.15 | brad_ | if I grab a package out of testing and drop in lenny what bad things will happen ? |
| 02:05.29 | abrotman | the sun will fall |
| 02:05.34 | streuner_ | do you know bobbitt? |
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| 02:05.50 | abrotman | brad_: in general .. you'll make your system pretty unhappy .. which package do you want? |
| 02:05.51 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 02:05.51 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 02:05.57 | brad_ | abrotman: the epa is not going to like this |
| 02:06.03 | brad_ | kvm |
| 02:06.05 | abrotman | brad_: depends where it falls ? |
| 02:06.24 | brad_ | abrotman: I'm not really sure it matters. |
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| 02:07.13 | ma3x | when you establish a vpn ipsec tunnel connection, aren't you supposed to get the remote ip , when you go to whatismyip.com?? or do you need additional proxy for that? |
| 02:07.22 | mogunus | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 02:07.23 | eitan | abrotman: I should wait for you to get those modifications, right? |
| 02:07.50 | abrotman | me who what? |
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| 02:08.15 | brad_ | on a debian system, i hate to make stuff and install it, I prefer to use th package manager |
| 02:08.47 | abrotman | judd: versions kvm |
| 02:08.48 | judd | abrotman: kvm -- etch-backports: 28-4~bpo.1 lenny: 72+dfsg-4 sid: 72+dfsg-4 squeeze: 72+dfsg-4 experimental: 84+dfsg-2 |
| 02:08.58 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 02:09.23 | eitan | abrotman: oh... you said that there were driver modifications that might help... I thought you were getting those for me... I certainly don't know what they are. |
| 02:09.25 | abrotman | brad_: it would seem that lenny and squeeze have the same kvm ? |
| 02:09.31 | brad_ | yea, I was actully lookin and experimental, but I know that would end time |
| 02:09.33 | abrotman | eitan: man intel .. i don't know them either |
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| 02:10.08 | eitan | abrotman: how do I make use of the settings in the man intel page? |
| 02:10.33 | eitan | abrotman: what configuration program lets me configure the intel driver? |
| 02:11.07 | ajavid | Does Propel really have any advantages? I really can’t think of any. It’s annoying to set up and poorly documented. Other than that, it is not very far from Doctrine feature-wise. |
| 02:11.10 | stew | eitan: editor /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:11.12 | ajavid | So don't use it |
| 02:11.16 | ajavid | whoops |
| 02:12.20 | brad_ | well the guys in kvm say i need to upgrade, but I really hate to build modules and install them. because later i can't remove them |
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| 02:13.20 | streuner_ | well, you need to run unstable in order to use packages out of experimental... |
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| 02:13.39 | streuner_ | just try to backport that package |
| 02:13.45 | brad_ | yea, but unstable does not seem very stable, just something about the name |
| 02:13.59 | streuner_ | !backports |
| 02:13.59 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 02:14.26 | brad_ | I thought I had enable backports, i guess not |
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| 02:14.34 | streuner_ | no |
| 02:14.36 | phantomcircuit | http://rafb.net/p/i5oMxR56.html |
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| 02:14.46 | phantomcircuit | im having a problem with the UltraBay on my T61 |
| 02:14.52 | streuner_ | brad_: look at <simple sid backports> |
| 02:14.53 | phantomcircuit | it's an ACPI error |
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| 02:15.20 | streuner_ | brad_: and change sources to (deb-scr) to experimental |
| 02:15.34 | streuner_ | s/deb-scr/deb-src/ |
| 02:16.04 | eitan | abrotman: what was that command to get the name of the graphics driver in use? |
| 02:16.10 | streuner_ | brad_: but ONLY for sources, NOT for "normal" packages... |
| 02:16.17 | abrotman | eitan: you look in the log usually |
| 02:16.27 | brad_ | I was going to add a backport line to apt |
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| 02:16.49 | streuner_ | !+tell brad_ -about simple sid backports |
| 02:16.49 | dpkg | told brad_ about simple sid backports. |
| 02:16.59 | eitan | abrotman: there was one command you used with grep that retrieved the driver name only |
| 02:17.11 | abrotman | no .. that told you the device .. not the driver |
| 02:17.27 | eitan | abrotman: ok... fine... device... what was that command? |
| 02:17.30 | brad_ | that answers my next few questions |
| 02:17.36 | abrotman | eitan: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 02:20.14 | brad_ | i do love the debian package manager |
| 02:20.24 | brad_ | so I'm about to create my own backport ? |
| 02:20.42 | ma3x | how do you connect to site.com on port 10000 udp? |
| 02:20.45 | ma3x | can telnet do that? |
| 02:21.01 | brad_ | telnet is only tcp |
| 02:21.33 | brad_ | netcat says it can do it |
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| 02:25.33 | mischief6 | i just installed lenny + xfce, but for some reason X wasn't installed even though i explicitly selected it. can anyone tell me why, or how i can fix it? |
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| 02:26.18 | ajavid | mischief6, aptitude install xorg |
| 02:26.21 | qiyong | anyone familar with isc dhcpd? how do I get the IP and MAC other than reading the lease file? is there some api? |
| 02:26.58 | squisher | qiyong, I think there's an dbus interface for it |
| 02:27.10 | mischief6 | ajavid, that doesn't work, i've tried that :( |
| 02:27.34 | _Hicham_ | mischief6 : do u have a working internet connection? |
| 02:27.56 | mischief6 | yes. :) |
| 02:28.07 | ajavid | !doesn't work |
| 02:28.08 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 02:28.38 | mischief6 | ajavid, when i aptitude install xorg, and when i try to 'startx', i get a black screen. |
| 02:28.55 | phantomcircuit | im having a problem with the UltraBay on my T61 it's an ACPI error |
| 02:28.57 | phantomcircuit | http://rafb.net/p/i5oMxR56.html |
| 02:29.00 | squisher | mischief6, use startxfce4 for xfce |
| 02:29.25 | _Hicham_ | mischief : it's not X then |
| 02:29.34 | ajavid | squisher, doesn't matter |
| 02:29.40 | ajavid | X will gray pattern not black |
| 02:29.41 | _Hicham_ | mischief : it is ur video driver |
| 02:29.49 | ajavid | stop guessing blindly! |
| 02:29.50 | ajavid | ffs |
| 02:30.08 | ajavid | mischief6, lets see yoru xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:30.10 | _Hicham_ | mischief : what video card do u have? |
| 02:30.11 | brad_ | I've added deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 02:30.22 | mischief6 | it's a nvidia geforce 7600 |
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| 02:31.08 | Debian|AMD | anyone around |
| 02:31.16 | brad_ | I'm here |
| 02:31.18 | ajavid | no |
| 02:31.20 | ninjaslim | the font size for KDE 4.2 is ridiculously small, it's set to 9 but it doesn't seem anything like 9 |
| 02:31.21 | brad_ | but that does not help much |
| 02:31.24 | _Hicham_ | mischief : sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 02:31.31 | Debian|AMD | no one uses kde |
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| 02:31.36 | ajavid | I use kde |
| 02:31.39 | simonrvn | i'm asquare |
| 02:31.47 | ajavid | you are a square |
| 02:31.48 | ajavid | ? |
| 02:31.49 | Debian|AMD | rolls his eyes |
| 02:31.50 | ajavid | wtf |
| 02:31.55 | Debian|AMD | anyway |
| 02:31.58 | ajavid | oh |
| 02:31.59 | ajavid | hahaha |
| 02:32.03 | ajavid | around/asquare |
| 02:32.04 | brad_ | I'm getting round |
| 02:32.12 | ajavid | gawd /me smacks simonrvn :) |
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| 02:32.21 | simonrvn | heh heh heh |
| 02:32.33 | mischief6 | squisher, i don't seem to have startxfce4 |
| 02:32.43 | simonrvn | Debian|AMD: no no uses kde, even people that do |
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| 02:32.51 | simonrvn | no one* |
| 02:32.58 | ajavid | there was a factoid |
| 02:32.59 | _Hicham_ | mischief6 : sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 02:33.00 | Debian|AMD | no one with any self respect admits to using kde |
| 02:33.00 | ajavid | !anyone |
| 02:33.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search> |
| 02:33.04 | ajavid | !noone |
| 02:33.04 | dpkg | me thinks 'Noone' is a character (Buddy Noone) in a bad Clint Eastwood movie (Bloodline or someshit) .. it's not a word! .. so stop using it as such please! Also; ***noone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean I do. |
| 02:33.06 | squisher | mischief6, hmm, maybe debian integrated that somehow. Listen to ajavid's advice |
| 02:33.09 | brad_ | i don't use kde 4.2 all the time |
| 02:33.09 | ajavid | fuck it |
| 02:33.12 | amikrop | Hello, what is the name of a good DJ program (like Virtual DJ)? |
| 02:33.14 | ajavid | I ude kde 3.5.x |
| 02:33.16 | amikrop | It has a name like djdjdj |
| 02:33.20 | amikrop | or sounddjdj |
| 02:33.23 | _Hicham_ | mischief6 : try that |
| 02:33.25 | amikrop | it repeats a word |
| 02:33.27 | stew | amikrop: mixxx? |
| 02:33.30 | Debian|AMD | I'm having issues installing atm |
| 02:33.32 | ajavid | amikrop, uhm apt-cache search dj ? |
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| 02:33.35 | ajavid | heh |
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| 02:33.57 | amikrop | stew: yes, thanks |
| 02:34.04 | simonrvn | Debian|AMD: just say that, instead of all the meta-questions and stuff |
| 02:34.08 | brad_ | they, this wants to install a lot of stuff to build this package, is that ok ? |
| 02:34.14 | mischief6 | _Hicham_, okay |
| 02:34.16 | simonrvn | say it* |
| 02:34.18 | ajavid | brad_, what? |
| 02:34.25 | abrotman | brad_: depends how badly you want to build it |
| 02:34.25 | Debian|AMD | what the fuck is a meta-question |
| 02:34.28 | Debian|AMD | stop making up words |
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| 02:34.35 | ajavid | meta question is a question about a question |
| 02:34.37 | ajavid | like you were asking |
| 02:34.43 | simonrvn | i didn't make that up |
| 02:34.44 | abrotman | oh that's right .. the guy that gave don a cluebat ... |
| 02:34.46 | ajavid | stop arguing stupid thigns and get on with debian support |
| 02:34.52 | brad_ | http://pastebin.com/m7dcea58f |
| 02:34.54 | simonrvn | ajavid: yup |
| 02:34.54 | here4thegear | so, I've got debian server set up. I have a wildcard DNS *.mysite.com I have folders set up /var/www/dev, /var/www/beta, /var/www/www I want to make it so that dev.site.com and beta.site.com go to their respective places. Should I be setting up separate vhosts for each? |
| 02:35.00 | simonrvn | abrotman: ^^^ |
| 02:35.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:35.05 | simonrvn | ajavid: bad tab |
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| 02:35.08 | ajavid | word |
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| 02:35.24 | Debian|AMD | the testing netinst won't recognize my dhcp |
| 02:35.29 | abrotman | here4thegear: you certainly could |
| 02:35.31 | Debian|AMD | abrotman, fix it |
| 02:35.34 | ajavid | lol |
| 02:35.37 | abrotman | Debian|AMD: fix it yourself |
| 02:35.46 | simonrvn | *blink* excuse me? |
| 02:35.46 | Debian|AMD | i asked you first |
| 02:35.47 | brad_ | off topic, what's a question about a meta-question called ? |
| 02:35.52 | Debian|AMD | back back no trade backs |
| 02:35.54 | abrotman | Debian|AMD: that wasn't even a question ... |
| 02:36.00 | Debian|AMD | hold your tongue |
| 02:36.01 | simonrvn | Debian|AMD: the door's --> that way |
| 02:36.08 | abrotman | no wonder no one wants to help you |
| 02:36.13 | ajavid | alright |
| 02:36.17 | ajavid | stop |
| 02:36.18 | simonrvn | mouthy little fucker |
| 02:36.24 | here4thegear | abrotman: thanks, what would be some other options to achieving the same effect that I should read up on to figure out which suites my needs best? |
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| 02:36.37 | brad_ | i can feel the love |
| 02:36.48 | ajavid | Debian|AMD, go take a few deep breaths, then come back. obviously you're frustrated over your problem and its not helping |
| 02:36.50 | abrotman | here4thegear: that's probably the easiest for you .. |
| 02:36.51 | mischief6 | ajavid, how would i get my logs and conf to pastebin xD |
| 02:36.52 | simonrvn | brad_: it's usually better than this |
| 02:36.54 | ajavid | Debian|AMD, first calm down and then come back |
| 02:37.18 | ajavid | mischief6, you're on console? go to install lynx or something, elinks/links2 and paste.debian.net upload the log file that way |
| 02:37.30 | ajavid | mischief6, or there is pastebinpipe.pl I think |
| 02:37.35 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 02:37.41 | mischief6 | ajavid, yes i am on console. my problem is with X :P |
| 02:37.44 | abrotman | hrm .. nope |
| 02:37.49 | Debian|AMD | :( |
| 02:37.56 | OldMonk | mischief6: use lynx |
| 02:38.02 | Debian|AMD | ok I got a weird question |
| 02:38.06 | here4thegear | abrotman: ok, than you. the vhost will allow me to ensure that I can control document root as well, which (I think) I need anyway |
| 02:38.11 | Debian|AMD | I've only ever used reiser3.6 |
| 02:38.26 | Debian|AMD | what do you recommend for a personnal machine |
| 02:38.33 | Debian|AMD | reiser, ext3, xfs, or jfs |
| 02:38.34 | ajavid | ext3 |
| 02:38.38 | ajavid | all the way |
| 02:38.38 | Debian|AMD | why? |
| 02:38.40 | linux_stu | ext4 is out |
| 02:38.43 | mischief6 | have to get lynx -.- |
| 02:38.43 | ajavid | why not |
| 02:38.45 | simonrvn | unplug it |
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| 02:38.47 | stew | definately not reiser |
| 02:38.47 | linux_stu | not for debian, nm |
| 02:38.48 | brad_ | streuner_: will this work with expermental as well ? |
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| 02:38.50 | ajavid | stop fucking with things you don't need to fuck with |
| 02:38.51 | Debian|AMD | debian doesn't support ext4 |
| 02:38.54 | Debian|AMD | unless you do dfs |
| 02:38.58 | ajavid | just go with native linux FS |
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| 02:39.07 | Debian|AMD | I wouldn't call it native |
| 02:39.11 | stew | Debian|AMD: what do you mean debian doesn't support ext4? |
| 02:39.12 | ajavid | ext3 or 4 either is fine, even 2 is fine if you don't want journaling but who doesn't |
| 02:39.13 | abrotman | ext4dev is in lenny |
| 02:39.15 | brad_ | STOP THE PRESSES. I've learned something. |
| 02:39.15 | Debian|AMD | xfs has been around for a long long time |
| 02:39.22 | Debian|AMD | stew you can't initially install with it |
| 02:39.27 | ajavid | !fscomparison |
| 02:39.33 | ajavid | !fs comparison |
| 02:39.33 | abrotman | brad_: oh jeez .. don't tell your neighbors |
| 02:39.33 | dpkg | i guess filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 02:39.37 | ajavid | Debian|AMD, read this |
| 02:39.41 | mischief6 | uh, ajavid how do i insert the log into lynx? :s |
| 02:39.42 | simonrvn | Debian|AMD: ext2/3 even longer... your point? |
| 02:39.42 | stew | Debian|AMD: ok? |
| 02:39.43 | Debian|AMD | stew, it reverts it back to ext3 |
| 02:39.47 | stew | ok |
| 02:39.51 | brad_ | abrotman: they would not believe me |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:40.03 | stew | Debian|AMD: when in doubt, use ext3, its the most widely used and the most widely tested |
| 02:40.04 | ajavid | mischief6, you go to lynx, then type 'g' for goto url, then type in paste.debian.net |
| 02:40.11 | Debian|AMD | you can't do a base install in ext4 though |
| 02:40.16 | abrotman | simonrvn: actually .. xfs has been around longer than ext3 .. and maybe even ext2 |
| 02:40.18 | ajavid | mischief6, in paste.debian.net there is a place where you can select the file and upload it |
| 02:40.22 | mischief6 | oh, okay |
| 02:40.22 | abrotman | simonrvn: though not on linux .. |
| 02:40.29 | Debian|AMD | but studies show that it doesn't run as fast as the others |
| 02:40.31 | here4thegear | and I am assuming as well that the place to set up the virtual hosts is to do it at /etc/apache2/sites-available/default AND that I don't need to replace the default entry, but that I can start a new one after the </VirtualHost> tag... correct? |
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| 02:40.40 | OldMonk | abrotman: only on irix, though... linux xfs is much newer |
| 02:40.42 | Debian|AMD | so I worry about its speed relative to say..........ntfs |
| 02:40.43 | simonrvn | abrotman: not in linux. that was my point. |
| 02:40.45 | abrotman | OldMonk: i said that |
| 02:40.48 | Debian|AMD | and feeling insulted |
| 02:41.01 | stew | Debian|AMD: speed at doing what? |
| 02:41.05 | mischief6 | ajavid, i do not see any place to upload a file |
| 02:41.05 | OldMonk | abrotman: sorry, didn't notice... it's too early yet |
| 02:41.08 | Debian|AMD | processing my everyday work |
| 02:41.12 | stew | Debian|AMD: which is what? |
| 02:41.14 | ajavid | sigh |
| 02:41.17 | abrotman | here4thegear: you can make new 'hosts' in that directory .. and then use a2ensite to enable them |
| 02:41.25 | simonrvn | gets out the popcorn |
| 02:41.29 | ajavid | mischief6, trust me its there |
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| 02:41.42 | mischief6 | ajavid, not in lynx. i see it in firefox though :( |
| 02:41.44 | here4thegear | abrotman: cool thanks... I'm actually getting a feel for this stuff... |
| 02:41.48 | Debian|AMD | well, often world of warcraft, irc, several messenging utilities, mail, and web browsing, with coding on the side |
| 02:41.56 | simonrvn | here4thegear: \o/ |
| 02:41.56 | brad_ | dude, source is cool, they should write everything in source ? |
| 02:42.05 | brad_ | s/?/! |
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| 02:42.11 | abrotman | brad_: no way .. blobs for all! |
| 02:42.14 | Debian|AMD | brad_, you should totally code in assembly, it makes you cool |
| 02:42.20 | simonrvn | ... |
| 02:42.29 | stew | Debian|AMD: then use ext3, or maybe jfs. xfs is possibly faster with lots of large files |
| 02:42.34 | ajavid | mischief6, aint that something |
| 02:42.39 | ajavid | i never used it |
| 02:42.43 | Debian|AMD | WoW is pretty damn large lol |
| 02:42.51 | Debian|AMD | it's almost 9gb |
| 02:42.55 | mischief6 | ajavid, quite peculiar. i'll try elinks or something |
| 02:43.03 | brad_ | shakes cowering in the corner .... never again ... noo ... |
| 02:43.08 | ajavid | mischief6, use pastebinit' |
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| 02:43.10 | Debian|AMD | ok stew, I got another question about FS |
| 02:43.14 | ajavid | mischief6, aptitude install pastebinit |
| 02:43.22 | Debian|AMD | I want to use dmcrypt to make the root partition encrypted |
| 02:43.22 | abrotman | mischief6: it is there in lynx |
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| 02:43.39 | Debian|AMD | but during the install it seems to be against making the root encrypted with dmcrypt |
| 02:43.44 | abrotman | mischief6: you don't need another browser |
| 02:43.52 | Debian|AMD | it seems to want to allow you to make another volume encrypted but not root |
| 02:44.13 | luckylucy | Hey, where can i specify a primary dns suffix to be handed out, (debian shorewall and dnsmasq running on the debian router box) |
| 02:44.17 | Debian|AMD | I have 3 partitions for linux atm because I got lazy, /boot, swap, and / |
| 02:44.21 | mischief6 | abrotman, it is not there in lynx. |
| 02:44.34 | ajavid | mischief6, fuck it just use pastebinit |
| 02:44.37 | abrotman | mischief6: yes, it is .. i just checked .. |
| 02:44.44 | mischief6 | ajavid, http://pastebin.com/f4c161cfc |
| 02:44.45 | brad_ | hahah, I have the new kvm from source, I r rocks |
| 02:44.50 | brad_ | loves debian |
| 02:44.52 | mischief6 | abrotman, i can take a picture if you like? |
| 02:45.00 | abrotman | mischief6: you could .. but you'd still be wrong |
| 02:45.02 | OldMonk | Debian|AMD: use reiserfs for swap, fat-16 for boot and ntfs for root |
| 02:45.17 | mischief6 | abrotman, my eyes do not deceive me. it is not there. |
| 02:45.18 | abrotman | mischief6: i just looked .. i've used it before .. it's always in the same place |
| 02:45.31 | ajavid | I see it |
| 02:45.32 | abrotman | or has been since i noticed you could upload files anyways |
| 02:45.38 | ninjaslim | the font size for KDE 4.2 is ridiculously small, it's set to 9 but it doesn't seem anything like 9 |
| 02:45.38 | Debian|AMD | OldMonk, how dare you suggest ntfs to me |
| 02:45.56 | OldMonk | Debian|AMD: like this: use ntfs for root |
| 02:46.00 | pl4yer0ne | ninjaslim, 9 is pretty small |
| 02:46.01 | stew | ninjaslim: what dpi does "xdpyinfo | grep resolution" say you are running? |
| 02:46.03 | simonrvn | Debian|AMD: it's called a joke, lighten up |
| 02:46.11 | Debian|AMD | and why would you even think of using fat16 for boot |
| 02:46.23 | abrotman | Debian|AMD: do you actually need help, or are you just here to cause problems? |
| 02:46.23 | Debian|AMD | that's so drab |
| 02:46.28 | pl4yer0ne | especially if your using a fixed width font |
| 02:46.30 | OldMonk | Debian|AMD: i was contributing to the general meaningfulness of the conversation |
| 02:46.33 | brad_ | I created my own back port |
| 02:46.34 | Debian|AMD | problems cause me |
| 02:46.38 | simonrvn | he's here to troll |
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| 02:47.06 | ajavid | hah |
| 02:47.08 | Debian|AMD | actually, I do genuinely need insight on FS choice and getting this damned DHCP to work here |
| 02:47.10 | simonrvn | this is why i got the popcorn^Wchips |
| 02:47.10 | ajavid | I see why he can't see it |
| 02:47.16 | brad_ | me ? troll, I'm just excited over learning something |
| 02:47.20 | abrotman | not you |
| 02:47.24 | ajavid | mischief6, its the last line next to the send button in lynx in paste.debian.net |
| 02:47.34 | brad_ | ah |
| 02:47.34 | Debian|AMD | for some god forsaken reason DHCP does not want to work with this one CD |
| 02:47.37 | ajavid | mischief6, the way its rendered is it looks like its part of the textbox up above |
| 02:47.45 | ajavid | mischief6, but its a diff feild used for uploading files |
| 02:47.45 | mischief6 | ajavid, no it isn't i swear it. |
| 02:47.49 | ajavid | mischief6, trust me, it is. |
| 02:47.52 | abrotman | mischief6: you're doing it wrong |
| 02:48.01 | Debian|AMD | if you see me come back and I'm in irssi then you know that I was successful |
| 02:48.05 | Debian|AMD | if not....then I hate you all |
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| 02:48.09 | Debian|AMD | except stew |
| 02:48.09 | ajavid | mischief6, seriously |
| 02:48.11 | Debian|AMD | he's hot |
| 02:48.16 | mischief6 | oh, i see now ajavid :\ |
| 02:48.16 | abrotman | Debian|AMD: please go away |
| 02:48.20 | mischief6 | that is most confusing |
| 02:48.28 | OldMonk | got his sense organs cybernetically enhanced and can now smell a troll in heat more than 1500 metres off |
| 02:48.29 | simonrvn | oh daer me, i'll be hated. what will i do? |
| 02:48.32 | abrotman | mischief6: forms in lynx are in general confusing |
| 02:48.34 | simonrvn | dear* |
| 02:48.37 | ajavid | mischief6, seriously goddamit |
| 02:48.39 | ajavid | :) |
| 02:48.43 | mischief6 | lol, ajavid |
| 02:48.43 | Debian|AMD | the word is meters |
| 02:48.49 | OldMonk | Debian|AMD: oh shut up |
| 02:48.50 | Debian|AMD | here in America we speak American |
| 02:48.53 | stew | can we please drop the off-topic chatter? |
| 02:48.54 | simonrvn | metres |
| 02:48.55 | mischief6 | have you noticed anything wrong with my X log, ajavid? |
| 02:48.56 | ajavid | mischief6, just do what I said, go to the LAST line, type in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and hit enter |
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| 02:49.02 | ajavid | mischief6, yoru file will be uploaded, I promise. |
| 02:49.06 | simonrvn | stew: gladly |
| 02:49.08 | mischief6 | ajavid, i did upload it already |
| 02:49.10 | abrotman | if he hits the send button :) |
| 02:49.16 | mischief6 | oh |
| 02:49.21 | mischief6 | xorg.conf, not the log, sec |
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| 02:49.26 | ajavid | er.. |
| 02:49.26 | ajavid | sorry |
| 02:49.29 | ajavid | both |
| 02:49.31 | simonrvn | adds a *plonk* with glee |
| 02:49.32 | abrotman | mischief6: etch or lenny ? |
| 02:49.37 | ajavid | and log too grr. |
| 02:49.52 | ajavid | mischief6, /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 02:50.08 | ajavid | I think he said it was lenny new install |
| 02:50.24 | Debian|AMD | you never did answer my question though |
| 02:50.25 | mischief6 | abrotman, lenny lxde |
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| 02:50.33 | ajavid | and xorg didn't install correctly and aptitude xorg (doesn't work) dunno wtf doesn't work I think thats him |
| 02:50.35 | abrotman | but his xorg.conf is full of junk .. including a PCIBusID |
| 02:50.35 | Debian|AMD | how would I dm-crypt a root partition at install? |
| 02:50.56 | abrotman | mischief6: how did you generate that xorg.conf ? |
| 02:50.57 | mischief6 | ajavid, http://pastebin.com/f4c161cfc is the log, http://paste.debian.net/30956 is xorg.conf |
| 02:51.17 | mischief6 | abrotman, i never showed my .conf before now |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | oh .. must have been someone else's :) |
| 02:51.44 | OldMonk | breathes a sigh of relief |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | feels like he just saw that xorg.conf somewhere else |
| 02:52.05 | abrotman | oh .. eitan |
| 02:53.06 | ajavid | abrotman, i think it was mine |
| 02:53.16 | ajavid | abrotman, you mean the one with ati radeon mobility xorg.conf |
| 02:53.49 | abrotman | compare mischief6's to eitan's |
| 02:54.09 | ajavid | mischief6, so what exactly was the problem, I forgot |
| 02:54.40 | mischief6 | ajavid, when i start X, i get a black screen, and X was not installed by default for some reason |
| 02:55.25 | ajavid | mischief6, and if you do manually aptitude isntall xorg what happens? |
| 02:55.34 | ajavid | install any missing packages or not? or all latest? |
| 02:55.59 | mischief6 | it um |
| 02:55.59 | ajavid | mischief6, so far I see vesa, which is your video card? how did you install video drivers or have you yet done so? |
| 02:56.04 | mischief6 | hold on lemme find the apt log |
| 02:56.12 | ajavid | mischief6, lspci|grep -i vga |
| 02:56.28 | mischief6 | it's an nvidia geforce 7600 |
| 02:56.40 | ajavid | what is your monitor native res? |
| 02:56.50 | mischief6 | 1280x1024 |
| 02:56.59 | ajavid | ok |
| 02:57.16 | ajavid | vesa should work then at least |
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| 02:57.26 | jetscreamer | nv |
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| 02:57.34 | ajavid | mischief6, try nv :) |
| 02:57.37 | ajavid | jetscreamer, thank you |
| 02:57.39 | mischief6 | ajavid, when i use startx, i get a black screen, but my monitor says 'out of range'. is that any clue? |
| 02:57.42 | jetscreamer | or does it not support the 7600's |
| 02:57.43 | ajavid | I had forgotten about that |
| 02:57.47 | ajavid | mischief6, yes! |
| 02:57.50 | ajavid | yes |
| 02:57.52 | _Hicham_ | mischief : did u install nv? |
| 02:57.53 | jetscreamer | hwinfo --monitor |
| 02:57.54 | ajavid | it is a clue |
| 02:58.03 | jetscreamer | configure the monitor in xorg.conf |
| 02:58.06 | abrotman | did he install xorg ? |
| 02:58.07 | jetscreamer | the v&h rates |
| 02:58.13 | mischief6 | yes xorg is installed. |
| 02:58.32 | _Hicham_ | mischief6 : did u install nvidia-glx? |
| 02:58.34 | ajavid | use cvt and generate a modeline for your desired res, put into xorg.conf and also use driver nv for now |
| 02:58.43 | ajavid | _Hicham_, he is not using nvidia drivers |
| 02:58.45 | mischief6 | _Hicham_, that package does not exist. |
| 02:58.46 | ajavid | doesnt' amtter |
| 02:58.51 | ajavid | and its in non-free anyway |
| 02:59.00 | jetscreamer | !non-free |
| 02:59.00 | dpkg | somebody said non-free was a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 02:59.23 | _Hicham_ | mischief:have u just installed lenny? |
| 02:59.42 | ajavid | monitor out of range man.. not a big deal |
| 02:59.43 | mischief6 | _Hicham_, yes. |
| 02:59.50 | ajavid | just force a res |
| 03:00.01 | jetscreamer | my suggestion is more elegant |
| 03:00.07 | _Hicham_ | u have to add the repos then |
| 03:00.08 | jetscreamer | but whichever |
| 03:00.17 | _Hicham_ | do u know how to work with vim? |
| 03:00.19 | ajavid | for nvidia binary driver install sure |
| 03:00.23 | mischief6 | ajavid, do i just tack what cvt spits out on to xorg.conf? |
| 03:00.24 | ajavid | _Hicham_, #vim |
| 03:00.33 | jetscreamer | didn't say nvidia |
| 03:00.35 | ajavid | mischief6, `in the proper section yes |
| 03:00.36 | abrotman | !vi tutorial |
| 03:00.36 | dpkg | i guess vi tutorial is at: <http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/religion/vi-tutorial.html or http://bignosebird.com/docs/vi.shtml or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
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| 03:00.43 | jetscreamer | nano -w |
| 03:00.47 | mischief6 | ajavid, and which section would that be in :) |
| 03:00.47 | jetscreamer | no tut needed |
| 03:00.58 | ajavid | mischief6, google sample xorg.conf modeline |
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| 03:01.38 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf should show up i think |
| 03:01.43 | _Hicham_ | mischief6: sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:01.45 | magyar | hi, have issues with iceweasel crashing regularly lenny kde. Now I can't start it anymore. |
| 03:01.46 | jetscreamer | jus tthe monitor section is all you need |
| 03:01.52 | _Hicham_ | and gives us the output |
| 03:02.04 | ajavid | magyar, yes, highly unstable for me too, I stick to ff |
| 03:02.24 | magyar | ajavid: is there a deb for ff? |
| 03:02.25 | mischief6 | _Hicham_, it is the default :) |
| 03:02.28 | ajavid | magyar, nah |
| 03:02.41 | craigevil | iceweasel is no more unstable than firefox |
| 03:02.42 | _Hicham_ | mischief6 : just give me the output |
| 03:02.53 | jetscreamer | pork&beans make me fart really really bad |
| 03:02.57 | pl4yer0ne | FF crashing is almost always due to crappy plugins |
| 03:02.58 | ajavid | magyar, just get it, unpack to /opt, create a shortcut to it in your path |
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| 03:03.31 | ajavid | magyar, as for debian plugin packags, they will not take effect, so you can easily links the lib files to ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 03:03.39 | pl4yer0ne | first move/rename your firefox/iceweasel settings folder and try again |
| 03:03.43 | ajavid | cuz only firefox will pick up stuf finstalled via debs |
| 03:03.45 | magyar | craigevil: pl4yer0ne, i have no plugins beside flash and ad blocks |
| 03:03.46 | ajavid | er. IW |
| 03:03.54 | ajavid | firerfox will not as its not tuned to debian |
| 03:03.58 | abrotman | jeez .. only flash .. that's not unstable at all ... |
| 03:04.08 | magyar | ajavid: thanks will try |
| 03:04.08 | ajavid | what? |
| 03:04.21 | ajavid | abrotman, me? |
| 03:04.23 | pl4yer0ne | haha flash crashes my IW all the time |
| 03:04.30 | ajavid | nm |
| 03:04.57 | abrotman | not likely |
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| 03:05.13 | mohadib | howdy, i dont see dvdrip in my apt repo |
| 03:05.15 | ajavid | magyar, after you install say something like flashplayer-mozilla or something else like vlc-mozilla or some such |
| 03:05.17 | pl4yer0ne | actually flash video stuff normally |
| 03:05.17 | mohadib | did it change name? |
| 03:05.23 | _Hicham_ | ajavid : the opensource nv driver does not support all chips |
| 03:05.34 | _Hicham_ | mischief's chip must be recent |
| 03:05.39 | ajavid | magyar, do dpkg -L pkgname, find the actual libs of the package, and ln -s to ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 03:05.47 | ajavid | or manually install the plugins yourself to work with FF |
| 03:05.55 | ajavid | if you have IW, debian packages will work no problem |
| 03:06.00 | magyar | abrotman: i you mozflash plugin not the non-free. I mind you the moz sucks ass, half of the flash on site, like linuxforum is not playing at all |
| 03:06.10 | ajavid | its a bit of a pain, but you can have FF and less carshing |
| 03:06.34 | ajavid | I use multimedia stuff from DMM, never crashes for me realy |
| 03:06.38 | abrotman | magyar: why do you think it matters? flash on linux is utter crap |
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| 03:06.52 | ajavid | there is flashplayer-nonfree in debian, or flashplayer-mozilla by marillat, and i think his stuff is better |
| 03:07.00 | ajavid | and no, im not on crack, so fuck off |
| 03:07.01 | ajavid | :) |
| 03:07.47 | ajavid | 7600 is NOT recent |
| 03:07.51 | craigevil | ajavid: i ran both firefox and iceweasel from the time debian switch to the day firefox 3.0 was released never noticed any difference |
| 03:07.59 | ajavid | _Hicham_, i think he said 7600 and not 9600 |
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| 03:08.12 | ajavid | I have a 7600GS from long ago, works fine in nv |
| 03:08.22 | craigevil | now i just use iceweasel it does not crash any more or less than firefox, saying it does is just BS |
| 03:08.34 | ajavid | craigevil, no it isn't. |
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| 03:08.43 | magyar | abrotman: the strangest thing, the ff2.0 in old testing, used to work like a dream. now with IW 3.0 can have more then 6-7 tabs. boom crash |
| 03:08.44 | ajavid | if it works for you, fantastic, have at it |
| 03:08.54 | stew | iceweasel never crashes for me |
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| 03:09.01 | magyar | crashes so hard that I can't even restart it |
| 03:09.02 | ajavid | its not IW its the codebase FF |
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| 03:09.23 | ajavid | but yeah in IW we did stuff and in my personal experience, it is untable more so than FF |
| 03:09.32 | abrotman | injects stew's browser with adobe awfulness |
| 03:09.39 | ajavid | literally IW for me on sid crashes more often than FF |
| 03:09.50 | ajavid | I know I use my pc 24/7 -a few hours of sleep and poop |
| 03:09.52 | craigevil | i typically have anywhere fropm 5-20 tabs open usually with at least chatzilla dn a flash tab or two , i can't remember the last time IW crashed |
| 03:10.06 | stew | abrotman: even with the non-free plugin, which i'm ashamed to have used. firefox doesn't crash for weeks at a time |
| 03:10.21 | ajavid | stew, you mean FF or IW |
| 03:10.30 | stew | iceweasel |
| 03:10.32 | ajavid | you said ff but you were speak of iw |
| 03:10.34 | ajavid | yeh, word |
| 03:10.36 | _Hicham_ | ajavid : iceweasel on lenny is rock stable |
| 03:10.44 | abrotman | stew: i know .. i agree .. it does crash epiphany a good bit, but that's a well-known/unfixed issue .. but i haven't had IW crash .. since i can't remember when |
| 03:10.48 | magyar | _Hicham_: my ass |
| 03:11.00 | mischief6 | ajavid, i made a modeline with cvt but i am still getting a black screen and out of range. |
| 03:11.16 | ajavid | mischief6, you specified a res in the screen section? |
| 03:11.17 | stew | when people have iceweasel crash often, its usually some poorly written extension |
| 03:11.30 | mischief6 | ajavid, monitor section..that's where an example had it. |
| 03:11.32 | ajavid | mischief6, you gotta specify only one resolution in there |
| 03:11.49 | ajavid | only one, the one you want |
| 03:11.51 | abrotman | if he's using lenny, he shouldn't have to specify any |
| 03:11.57 | _Hicham_ | if u use the extensions from stable's main repo, it wont crash |
| 03:12.04 | ajavid | abrotman, yes but with default setup he gets out of range |
| 03:12.15 | mischief6 | abrotman, for some reason X wasn't even installed :( |
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| 03:12.17 | magyar | stew: ol, buddy, I had icewasel purged, deleted all related folders than reinstall and still crashes on regular new sites like /. |
| 03:12.18 | ajavid | so i figured we can specify one and go from there |
| 03:12.25 | abrotman | mischief6: it would help if you did that |
| 03:12.32 | mischief6 | abrotman, i did install X. |
| 03:12.35 | ajavid | mischief6, I told you already aptitude install xorg is all you need |
| 03:12.38 | ajavid | to fully install it |
| 03:12.40 | mischief6 | my point was, it wasn't installed by default when i felt it should be |
| 03:12.45 | mischief6 | ajavid, i did that |
| 03:12.48 | ajavid | ok |
| 03:12.55 | _Hicham_ | magyar : give me a link to test |
| 03:12.59 | ajavid | but it shouldn't be, this isn't fucking ubuntuardu ;) |
| 03:13.17 | ajavid | when you pick debian, you get choice, decisions aren't really made for you THAT much |
| 03:13.31 | magyar | who knows, maybe the ati fglrx module is throwing fits for IW |
| 03:13.41 | ajavid | magyar, well I .... |
| 03:13.45 | ajavid | you know |
| 03:14.04 | magyar | _Hicham_: it doesn matter what link, it could be gnu.org. it just stops working |
| 03:14.16 | ajavid | now that I think about it, ever since I stopped using fglrx in favor of radeon system crashes less often |
| 03:14.20 | ajavid | including IW |
| 03:14.26 | mischief6 | ajavid, so the modeline needs to be in Scree, not Monitor? |
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| 03:14.34 | _Hicham_ | magyar : u tried safe mofe? |
| 03:14.36 | ajavid | no that needs to be in monitor |
| 03:14.42 | ajavid | mischief6, the resolution in screen section |
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| 03:15.10 | _Hicham_ | mischief6: use just a single screen resolution in the screen section |
| 03:15.13 | ajavid | mischief6, in section screen, make a new one called SubSection "Display |
| 03:15.27 | ajavid | mischief6, serously go look at sample xorg.conf |
| 03:15.40 | magyar | ajavid: anywho, I'll try a few things, but it's aroyal pita when this happens |
| 03:15.53 | ajavid | yup |
| 03:16.20 | ajavid | _Hicham_, thats what I advised ;) he is trying to do that |
| 03:16.22 | _Hicham_ | ajavid : is there a way to smooth screen fonts? |
| 03:16.34 | ajavid | afaik, via fontconfig-config auto hinting always |
| 03:16.39 | magyar | ajavid: thanks for the info, i'll look you up if I can't get ff to play nice ;) |
| 03:16.42 | ajavid | use always |
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| 03:17.03 | ajavid | _Hicham_, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 03:17.12 | _Hicham_ | i tried that |
| 03:17.20 | ajavid | _Hicham_, also you can control antialising from gnome/xfce/kde/ and various WM's that support it |
| 03:17.24 | ajavid | like fluxbox i know, blackbox |
| 03:17.35 | _Hicham_ | i created the so famous .fonts.conf on my home directory |
| 03:17.45 | _Hicham_ | but the results were somehow not that amazing |
| 03:17.52 | ajavid | I'm not a fonts guru |
| 03:18.02 | ajavid | I have only enough knowledge to get my shit done |
| 03:18.03 | ajavid | :) |
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| 03:18.19 | _Hicham_ | ajavid : me too |
| 03:18.23 | mischief6 | ajavid, okay, it works now |
| 03:18.31 | ajavid | mischief6, you get into X? |
| 03:18.34 | mischief6 | but why wasn't X and lxde installed? |
| 03:18.35 | mischief6 | yes ajavid |
| 03:18.38 | ajavid | yay! |
| 03:18.40 | _Hicham_ | I was just wondering how fedora guys manage to get it good looking |
| 03:18.42 | mischief6 | yay indeed |
| 03:18.47 | ajavid | now backup this xorg.conf and email it o tyourself |
| 03:18.51 | mischief6 | :| |
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| 03:19.04 | mischief6 | ajavid, why wasn't X and lxde installed? |
| 03:19.12 | ajavid | I dunno dude |
| 03:19.24 | mischief6 | it has been installed every other time i have used the lenny lxde+xfce disk |
| 03:19.25 | ajavid | cuz you didn't install em? |
| 03:19.26 | ajavid | heh |
| 03:19.35 | ajavid | yeh i don't use install cds i have no idea |
| 03:19.44 | ajavid | i haven't used a debian cd in years |
| 03:19.49 | mischief6 | what do you use, install space ships? |
| 03:19.54 | ajavid | no |
| 03:19.57 | ajavid | netboot kernel/initrd |
| 03:20.04 | ajavid | or pxe |
| 03:20.09 | mischief6 | i see. |
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| 03:20.42 | magyar | i just tried ~/iceweasel --sefe-mode and disabled all settings "Segmentation fault" |
| 03:20.46 | craigevil | xorg/lxde should have been installed if you used the lxde/xfce cd i just installed it the other day in virtualbox |
| 03:21.02 | mischief6 | craigevil, i know. but it wasn't. the question is, why? |
| 03:21.59 | _Hicham_ | magyar : install the debugging symbols |
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| 03:24.13 | magyar | _Hicham_: iw debugging tools? |
| 03:24.14 | ajavid | mischief6, sometimes spirits from the nether-realms possess our gidgits and gadgets in turn making them behave strangely |
| 03:24.24 | mischief6 | ajavid, :\ |
| 03:24.27 | magyar | what uup with iceape? |
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| 03:25.12 | ajavid | abominable snow man |
| 03:25.14 | streuner__ | fine, why? |
| 03:25.17 | _Hicham_ | magyar : sudo apt-get install iceweasel-dbg |
| 03:25.43 | _Hicham_ | it will give more info when u run it from terminal |
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| 03:26.57 | magyar | wow, xulrunner, thats a big beast |
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| 03:27.17 | streuner__ | openoffice is bigger |
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| 03:27.35 | magyar | true |
| 03:27.45 | ajavid | MS office is the biggest! |
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| 03:27.48 | _Hicham_ | magyar : if u want to know what is causing u trouble |
| 03:27.53 | magyar | also it's note a browser |
| 03:27.58 | magyar | not |
| 03:28.15 | ajavid | I think FF turned into what it started out NOT to become |
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| 03:28.23 | ajavid | even FF has become bloated |
| 03:28.33 | _Hicham_ | FF is not bloated |
| 03:28.40 | _Hicham_ | its design is like |
| 03:28.43 | mumia-w-19 | I'm trying to build a binary package from the upstream source, but when I run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" I get this error message: "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: control file must have at least one binary package part" |
| 03:28.49 | magyar | _Hicham_: nada "Segmentation Fault" |
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| 03:28.50 | _Hicham_ | it is the underlying code |
| 03:28.53 | ajavid | _Hicham_, yes, but to add the functionality you need |
| 03:29.01 | mumia-w-19 | What can I do to fix that? |
| 03:29.04 | ajavid | _Hicham_, you have to use 3rd party extentions with errors, memory leaks, bugs |
| 03:29.09 | ajavid | I mean its not a good model imo |
| 03:29.16 | ajavid | then what do I know, Im just a developer. |
| 03:29.34 | _Hicham_ | magyar : did u install iceweasel-dbg? |
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| 03:29.43 | subsume | Why do I get "waiting for interface eth0:0 before doing NFS mounts (warning)" when doing an ifup? |
| 03:30.02 | subsume | ifup eth0:1 that is |
| 03:30.08 | _Hicham_ | ajavid : FF is the only real browser in linux |
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| 03:30.13 | magyar | i know for sure, that if I choose "New session" instead of "Restore previous" it'll start fine |
| 03:30.21 | magyar | _Hicham_: jeap |
| 03:30.24 | magyar | yeap |
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| 03:30.41 | _Hicham_ | magyar : then disable the session restore feature |
| 03:30.51 | _Hicham_ | magyar : or that u need it? |
| 03:30.55 | ajavid | what |
| 03:31.18 | _Hicham_ | ajavid : no browser on linux can compare with FF |
| 03:31.21 | mumia-w-19 | Can anyone help me build a binary debian package? |
| 03:31.36 | magyar | sure need it, I have always a few tabs going. After a crush it's convenient to get all tabs back |
| 03:31.48 | luckylucy | what files need to contain the primary dns suffix for a server that is the dhcp and dns server (resolve.conf? /etc/hosts?) |
| 03:32.23 | ajavid | _Hicham_, yeh yeh :) shaddup |
| 03:32.35 | simonrvn | resolv.conf configures your resolver |
| 03:32.56 | magyar | iceape was more stable, but with my luck, it got removed |
| 03:32.57 | luckylucy | simonrvn, me? |
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| 03:33.22 | ajavid | mumia-w-19, did you follow directions and prehapre with dh_make and when you did did you specify the kind of apcakge you wanted |
| 03:33.24 | magyar | iceape=mozilla browser, the original |
| 03:33.25 | ajavid | ? |
| 03:33.28 | ajavid | single bianry |
| 03:33.31 | simonrvn | hosts file confiures resolving ips and hostnames/domainnames for that machine |
| 03:33.33 | ajavid | more than likely |
| 03:34.08 | ajavid | mumia-w-19, check your debian/control file |
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| 03:34.27 | simonrvn | luckylucy: /etc/hosts was the precursor to dns, and still useful for site/lan/node ip address resolution |
| 03:34.28 | ajavid | mumia-w-19, /msg dpkg nmg |
| 03:34.28 | mumia-w-19 | Oh, I was reading the policy document. I didn't see dh_make in there. |
| 03:34.36 | mumia-w-19 | Okay... |
| 03:34.37 | ajavid | mumia-w-19, /msg dpkg mg |
| 03:34.47 | ajavid | or aptitude install maint-guide |
| 03:35.00 | luckylucy | simonrvn: it also contains the aliases for the other static hosts right? that is how this one is set up. i need my xp client to get it's primary dns from my server, i have searched and searched, but cannot find anyone with an example of this. |
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| 03:36.08 | natalia | hi! |
| 03:36.17 | ajavid | hole que pasta! |
| 03:36.25 | ajavid | with chunky meat sauce |
| 03:36.26 | natalia | oi! |
| 03:36.40 | natalia | alguem que fala portugues?! |
| 03:36.43 | luckylucy | in resolv.conf the server has the domain, and 4 nameservers, two local (two subnets) and two external (prim and sec). what should i add? syntax? |
| 03:36.47 | ajavid | natalia, english only |
| 03:36.50 | ajavid | !br |
| 03:36.50 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:37.01 | ajavid | natalia, ^^ |
| 03:37.09 | natalia | thanks! |
| 03:37.14 | ajavid | de nada! |
| 03:37.44 | _Hicham_ | I dont know why some people still want to use the official mozilla build |
| 03:37.48 | luckylucy | domain suffix = mydomain.com in resolv.conf??? |
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| 03:38.29 | _Hicham_ | ajavid : what is ur preferred browser? |
| 03:38.34 | luckylucy | ooh, maybe domain-suffix = mydomain.com... can anyone confirm? |
| 03:38.57 | simNIX | luckylucy, to give another box its dns settings you need a dhcp server, not /etc/resolv.conf (which only sets what dns local box should use) |
| 03:39.01 | magyar | sweet, links2 << the browser of champions |
| 03:39.46 | ajavid | _Hicham_, Chrome. |
| 03:39.53 | luckylucy | simNIX: i have dnsmasq, although the manual i very difficult, i think i need to add --domain-suffix mydomain.com somewhere..? |
| 03:39.53 | simonrvn | simNIX: yeh, thanks for covering that, i neglected to say that |
| 03:39.54 | ajavid | I'm kidding of course |
| 03:39.54 | DogBoy | _Hicham_, you might want to ask "some people" |
| 03:40.00 | ajavid | _Hicham_, FF3 |
| 03:40.04 | magyar | you mean Chromium |
| 03:40.17 | _Hicham_ | ajavid : chrome do not exist on Linux |
| 03:40.21 | simNIX | luckylucy, i use isc-dhcpd so I dont know how to setup dnsmasq - sorry ... |
| 03:40.21 | ajavid | i was kidding, but no, I don't like chrome or webkit |
| 03:40.27 | ajavid | _Hicham_, I'm not on linux |
| 03:40.30 | _Hicham_ | DogBoy : do u prefer the mozilla build? |
| 03:40.32 | ajavid | I haven't been on linux in weeks :) |
| 03:40.50 | _Hicham_ | ajavid : why is that? |
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| 03:40.55 | _Hicham_ | ajavid : for work? |
| 03:40.56 | ajavid | on top of that, my machines got stolen last week |
| 03:40.59 | ajavid | _Hicham_, nope |
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| 03:41.02 | DogBoy | which some people are you talking about _Hicham_ |
| 03:41.02 | simNIX | bummer |
| 03:41.03 | ajavid | just wanted to use xp for a while |
| 03:41.06 | ajavid | got sick of debian |
| 03:41.14 | ajavid | no big deal |
| 03:41.33 | _Hicham_ | DogBoy : I read some posts on the nets prompting people to do so |
| 03:41.47 | _Hicham_ | DogBoy : those are the people I was talking about |
| 03:41.57 | ajavid | well I have 1 debian lenny machine my irc and webserver runs on |
| 03:41.59 | ajavid | this one |
| 03:42.07 | DogBoy | _Hicham_, you can find anything on the net |
| 03:42.26 | ajavid | Linux laptop 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:42.30 | magyar | fudge, "Start new session" crushes two in safe-mode |
| 03:42.43 | ajavid | Linux laptop 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux of debian Lenny 5.0 |
| 03:42.49 | ajavid | downgraded from SID |
| 03:42.50 | ajavid | lol |
| 03:42.54 | magyar | Segmentation fault << not much info |
| 03:43.09 | _Hicham_ | magyar : u may need to use gdb |
| 03:43.18 | _Hicham_ | ajavid : is possible to downgrade? |
| 03:43.24 | ajavid | if you know wtf to do sure |
| 03:43.33 | ajavid | for normal people impossilble, not recommended |
| 03:43.52 | ajavid | definlitely NOT supported |
| 03:44.13 | pl4yer0ne | sid is basically unsupported anyway |
| 03:44.23 | ajavid | no it isn't |
| 03:44.36 | ajavid | its supported by developers for developers |
| 03:44.37 | pl4yer0ne | no it isnt as in yes it is? |
| 03:44.38 | simonrvn | not supported in here |
| 03:44.55 | ajavid | its supported in here too simonrvn but only if a worthy question is asked |
| 03:45.02 | pl4yer0ne | yeah dude what do you think i mean by "basically unsupported" |
| 03:45.14 | ajavid | obviously if some dev asks a sid qeustion its gonna be a good one, not like hey how do i get latest xy |
| 03:45.21 | ajavid | yeh i mean you;re right |
| 03:45.27 | ajavid | but whatver fuck it |
| 03:45.28 | _Hicham_ | magyar : gdb /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin |
| 03:45.48 | simonrvn | ajavid: not specific to sid, no. if people are running it, then they should wtf they're doing wrt, package mgt., and such things. |
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| 03:45.58 | mumia-w-19 | Thanks for the tips everyone. |
| 03:45.59 | ajavid | simonrvn, oh of coruse |
| 03:46.09 | ajavid | mumia-w-19, great guide, read maint-guide |
| 03:46.10 | simonrvn | ajavid: that's true |
| 03:46.14 | ajavid | mumia-w-19, get you through anything |
| 03:46.15 | pl4yer0ne | we alias sid "not-for-noobs" |
| 03:46.19 | mumia-w-19 | Yes, I'm reading it now :-) |
| 03:46.25 | pl4yer0ne | *we should |
| 03:46.41 | _Hicham_ | sid : "Still In Development" |
| 03:46.44 | _Hicham_ | :D |
| 03:46.57 | ajavid | Darth Sid |
| 03:46.58 | ajavid | hehe |
| 03:47.08 | ajavid | welcome to the darkside of debian!! |
| 03:47.15 | streuner__ | !blairsmite ajavid |
| 03:47.15 | dpkg | spins ajavid at 3000000000 rpm, while telling him that Wales could attack within 30 minutes repeatedly. |
| 03:47.15 | ajavid | ahhh boy I crack myself up |
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| 03:47.27 | ajavid | heh |
| 03:47.45 | humbolt | the command "let", which package is it part of? |
| 03:47.47 | simonrvn | !sid |
| 03:47.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 03:47.56 | ajavid | humbolt, apt-file :) |
| 03:47.59 | simonrvn | _Hicham_: ^^^ |
| 03:48.02 | luckylucy | anyone know how to add a primary dns suffix to dnsmasq to be handed out to windows clients? |
| 03:48.11 | ajavid | humbolt, install apt-file, apt-file update, apt-file search let |
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| 03:48.29 | humbolt | ajavid: alright |
| 03:48.30 | ajavid | humbolt, or just use pacakges.debian.org > search contents of packages |
| 03:49.02 | ajavid | !let |
| 03:49.02 | dpkg | let is probably a miss type of leet |
| 03:49.03 | magyar | _Hicham_: no cammand gdb or dbg |
| 03:49.17 | ajavid | never heard of let whats is it |
| 03:49.21 | ajavid | what* |
| 03:49.27 | humbolt | let NB=$NB+1 |
| 03:49.35 | humbolt | part of a script |
| 03:49.41 | humbolt | http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Advanced_Networking_Linux |
| 03:49.45 | stew | humbolt: what language are you talking about? |
| 03:49.51 | ajavid | is that a bash directive? |
| 03:49.52 | humbolt | sh |
| 03:50.01 | ajavid | should be in man bash? |
| 03:50.02 | ajavid | maybe |
| 03:50.05 | _Hicham_ | magyar : sudo apt-get install gdb |
| 03:50.15 | xoz | humbolt: help let |
| 03:50.35 | ajavid | xoz, word |
| 03:50.48 | stew | magyar: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
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| 03:50.58 | xoz | humbolt: at bash prompt, type help let to get info about let |
| 03:51.13 | humbolt | xoz: /etc/init.d/virtualbox-network: 20: let: not found |
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| 03:51.31 | magyar | stew: if I only had a browser |
| 03:51.35 | simonrvn | let me get some help about let |
| 03:51.46 | simonrvn | magyar: aptitude install w3m |
| 03:51.49 | xoz | humbolt: it should be a bash command |
| 03:51.50 | humbolt | xoz: think I know what it is doing, but it is not doing it. |
| 03:52.06 | ajavid | and on a seperate note: w3m works as a wonderful pager too! |
| 03:52.08 | ajavid | try it |
| 03:52.10 | xoz | humbolt: if you type let command in bash, it works? |
| 03:52.11 | stew | humbolt: #!/bin/sh should be changed to #!/bin/bash at the top of the script |
| 03:52.14 | _Hicham_ | magyar : sudo apt-get epiphany-browser |
| 03:52.24 | ajavid | links2 -g ftw |
| 03:52.30 | _Hicham_ | magyar : sudo apt-get install epiphany-browser |
| 03:52.34 | humbolt | stew: just figured that out also, tnx though |
| 03:52.38 | ajavid | I heard midori is very lightweight and nice |
| 03:52.42 | xoz | humbolt: or link sh to bash |
| 03:52.43 | ajavid | webkit based |
| 03:52.47 | stew | humbolt: but, in reality, you should be looking at the docs in /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.debian and doing this the debian way instead |
| 03:52.59 | xoz | humbolt: are you using debian in virtual box? |
| 03:53.23 | _Hicham_ | ajavid : I dont recommend Midori |
| 03:53.33 | _Hicham_ | ajavid : It is very unstable |
| 03:53.46 | ajavid | dude I'm unstable! |
| 03:53.46 | _Hicham_ | ajavid : it crashes a lot |
| 03:53.57 | ajavid | >:> |
| 03:53.57 | _Hicham_ | ajavid : I know |
| 03:53.59 | ajavid | hehehe |
| 03:54.00 | _Hicham_ | :D |
| 03:54.30 | humbolt | xoz: no, I am using winxp in the vbox |
| 03:54.49 | ajavid | heh, I run debian sid in a vbox |
| 03:54.59 | ajavid | just so i can mount my ext3 volumes and share em via samba |
| 03:55.05 | humbolt | stew: setting up the bridge in network/interfaces you mean? |
| 03:55.07 | ajavid | I don't trust ext3ifs or some such |
| 03:55.12 | stew | humbolt: yes |
| 03:55.29 | humbolt | stew: I'd prefer that also |
| 03:55.44 | humbolt | tomorrow |
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| 03:55.56 | huwenfeng | ajavid: how do you run sid? is there a netintaller iso that made up of unstable software? |
| 03:56.00 | _Hicham_ | Alert : the URL is invalid and cannot be loaded |
| 03:56.10 | _Hicham_ | what is that message about |
| 03:56.19 | ajavid | nh |
| 03:56.23 | ajavid | netboot |
| 03:56.29 | _Hicham_ | huwenfeng : dist-upgrade |
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| 03:56.31 | huwenfeng | ajavid: or, you just download the official release, then edit the /etc/apt/sourcese.list to make you system sid!? |
| 03:56.33 | ajavid | install sid directly, debconf_priority low |
| 03:57.01 | simonrvn | from a stable cd |
| 03:57.04 | huwenfeng | ajavid: you just install sid directly? from what ? net? |
| 03:57.09 | simonrvn | from a stable cd |
| 03:57.15 | simonrvn | boot options |
| 03:57.22 | huwenfeng | Oh, i will try later! |
| 03:57.24 | simonrvn | "expert mode" |
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| 03:58.02 | huwenfeng | simonrvn: so, there's no testing version cd, or unstable version cd, is that right? |
| 03:58.22 | ajavid | huwenfeng, yes |
| 03:58.29 | huwenfeng | simonrvn: oh one version, the stable version, is recorded in CDs, |
| 03:58.32 | huwenfeng | oh, good! |
| 03:58.33 | stew | huwenfeng: no, that's wrong |
| 03:58.51 | magyar | #0 0xb7f896e1 in _dl_debug_state () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 03:58.51 | ajavid | but I'm not peddling sid |
| 03:59.00 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.01 | ajavid | so don't misunderstand me, I just use what works best for me |
| 03:59.06 | simonrvn | huwenfeng: no |
| 03:59.09 | magyar | #2 0x00000000 in ?? () |
| 03:59.14 | magyar | thats all i get |
| 03:59.15 | huwenfeng | stew: what? simonrvn: what? |
| 03:59.16 | ajavid | and yes, there are sid isos as well as testing isos |
| 03:59.26 | ajavid | I found that out recently |
| 03:59.32 | stew | huwenfeng: there are testing and sid isos |
| 03:59.38 | huwenfeng | oh, there is those isos! |
| 03:59.39 | simonrvn | sid isos are useless as soon as they're built :P j/k |
| 03:59.48 | ajavid | simonrvn, a few hours later sure ;) |
| 04:00.15 | huwenfeng | so , are they isos that i can use to install the system? or just isos containing packages? |
| 04:00.22 | ajavid | system |
| 04:00.32 | ajavid | but if you have to ask, you really shouldn't ;) |
| 04:00.35 | humbolt | stew: can I setup tun interface in "interfaces" as well? |
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| 04:00.42 | simonrvn | huwenfeng: testing/sid isos are meant for testing the installer, booting, and installing related things (and i'm leaving stuff out here) |
| 04:01.04 | stew | humbolt: i'm not sure. probably |
| 04:01.06 | huwenfeng | oh , you mean debian , in fact ,provide three version of the whole system! right?! |
| 04:01.13 | ajavid | 4 |
| 04:01.16 | ajavid | well 2 |
| 04:01.19 | ajavid | well 4 |
| 04:01.22 | huwenfeng | but just release the stable ! |
| 04:01.26 | huwenfeng | 4? |
| 04:01.30 | ajavid | and testing is also considered a release |
| 04:01.36 | simonrvn | huwenfeng: for different purposes... they have different versions, for various reasons. |
| 04:01.36 | huwenfeng | stable, testing, unstable? then what? |
| 04:01.38 | ajavid | experimental I dunno if you can include as the 4th |
| 04:01.41 | stew | huwenfeng: oldstable |
| 04:01.46 | ajavid | oh 5 then |
| 04:01.53 | ajavid | oldstable, stable, testing, unstalbe, experimental |
| 04:01.55 | stew | no, experimental isn't a release |
| 04:02.02 | ajavid | oh ok thats what I was wondering |
| 04:02.04 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 04:02.07 | ajavid | so you can't include exp in there |
| 04:02.11 | phantomcircuit | hmmm |
| 04:02.13 | huwenfeng | oldstable , now mean sarge, woody?, right! |
| 04:02.21 | stew | huwenfeng: oldstable is etch |
| 04:02.21 | ajavid | huwenfeng, no, immediete old stable |
| 04:02.29 | huwenfeng | etch |
| 04:02.30 | ajavid | huwenfeng, rest are archived |
| 04:02.36 | huwenfeng | oh, good, |
| 04:02.37 | simonrvn | huwenfeng: no, that's like ancient history :P |
| 04:02.40 | stew | huwenfeng: etch is supported as oldstable until february 2010 |
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| 04:03.05 | huwenfeng | good, i will try sid later, |
| 04:03.14 | stew | huwenfeng: you don't want sid |
| 04:03.19 | ajavid | !sid faq |
| 04:03.20 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror), it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/lenny... |
| 04:03.30 | simonrvn | seriously, don't get sid |
| 04:03.37 | ajavid | !dnuts |
| 04:03.37 | dpkg | well, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 04:03.38 | ajavid | :) |
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| 04:03.49 | luckylucy | ok, enough of this dnsmasq, anyone have any alternate suggestions, i have heard isc-dhcpd so far....would like to get opinions. |
| 04:04.15 | huwenfeng | no, i won't ungrade my system to sid, i just want to install sid in a VM! |
| 04:04.23 | stew | huwenfeng: why do you want sid? |
| 04:04.26 | Mousey | luckylucy: i'm a fan of dhcp3 |
| 04:04.29 | Mousey | (which is isc) |
| 04:04.33 | CentHOGG | dd-wrt |
| 04:04.34 | huwenfeng | just for fun |
| 04:04.35 | ajavid | huwenfeng, thats fine the if you want to play around learn whatever |
| 04:04.56 | huwenfeng | yes, VM is safe to do anything. |
| 04:05.20 | luckylucy | mousey: do you append primary dns suffixes (suffi?) |
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| 04:06.00 | Mousey | not really. actually my clients all report their shortnames, then they get added to DNS that way.. oh.. i do push search domain |
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| 04:07.39 | luckylucy | mousey, maybe that would work... i am having problems as i have to use fqdn across routers, and is causing issues with sharing and easy of connection (mobile users) |
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| 04:08.36 | Mousey | well i donno how useful ddns would be across routers.. my assumption kinda is, if you got an IP from my dhcp server, you're on a particular subnet |
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| 04:09.28 | Mousey | i guess, you could associate names to particular subdomains that way |
| 04:09.42 | Mousey | sounds complicated, i'd imagine there'd be an easier way |
| 04:09.48 | Mousey | s/easier/simpler/ |
| 04:10.35 | luckylucy | right, but the router is just an add-on to a sub-net for wireless. i can resolve across subnets if not on the other side of this wireless router. i need to push a suffix to the xp clients that get on the network, the how is the hard part |
| 04:11.09 | luckylucy | the linux workstations and servers are all good! it's the windows |
| 04:13.12 | Atlas | shrugs |
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| 04:21.29 | luckylucy | server1. (notice the dot) pings, but not server1 (no dot) any ideas? |
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| 04:25.38 | simonrvn | checked your hosts file? |
| 04:25.59 | subsume | I really wish Debian would update some of its packages. |
| 04:26.11 | subsume | python-mysqldb depends on 2.4 =( |
| 04:26.28 | mseidl | does anybody have debian working a promise sx4300 raid card? |
| 04:26.56 | simonrvn | subsume: maybe you should update? sid is still in transition, and so is squeeze. |
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| 04:27.15 | subsume | update to what? |
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| 04:27.50 | subsume | simonrvn: ^ |
| 04:27.50 | ma3x | does NAT/SUA mean it supports masquerading/snat or not? |
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| 04:32.10 | simonrvn | subsume: dunno, just spouting off stuff... what's up exactly, or you just letting steam off? |
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| 04:33.14 | simonrvn | letting off steam* |
| 04:33.47 | subsume | simonrvn: Everything is great about 5.0 except 1 package I need |
| 04:33.54 | subsume | and it hasn't been updated to Py 2.5 |
| 04:34.02 | subsume | however, the project homepage says they support 2.5 |
| 04:34.56 | subsume | Maybe I'm wrong? |
| 04:34.57 | subsume | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/python-mysqldb-dbg |
| 04:35.00 | simonrvn | backport *ducks* |
| 04:35.36 | simonrvn | dep: python (<< 2.6) |
| 04:35.36 | subsume | that's not backport.... |
| 04:35.44 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.54 | simonrvn | should support 2.5 |
| 04:36.14 | subsume | oh |
| 04:36.16 | subsume | should I get http://packages.debian.org/lenny/python-mysqldb-dbg ? |
| 04:36.56 | subsume | simonrvn: I thought so too... but I think its attached itself to 2.4 (it forced install of 2.4 for some weird reason) |
| 04:36.59 | simonrvn | i got the regular one, at http://packages.debian.org/lenny/python-mysqldb |
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| 04:37.28 | subsume | right.... its not in my 2.5 site packages |
| 04:37.29 | simonrvn | mm, probably a build dep or some weird thing they do with python now |
| 04:37.47 | simonrvn | that pycentral stuff |
| 04:37.55 | subsume | *confuzed* |
| 04:38.12 | simonrvn | i'm confused about it too :). |
| 04:38.27 | subsume | haha. |
| 04:38.37 | subsume | no chance you can help me workaround i guess |
| 04:38.56 | simonrvn | according to ^^^, it should support 2.5... you probably just need to include it in the 2.5 site/dist-packages stuff |
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| 04:39.25 | subsume | hmmm |
| 04:39.35 | subsume | i don't know where it put itself. |
| 04:40.11 | simonrvn | judging from what happened in ubuntu and sid, the python 2.6 stuff is rather different in some ways that 2.5 and 2.4 don't support, and i didn't see too much different between 2.5 and 2.4 on the surface. but i'm no fricking expert. |
| 04:40.37 | pl4yer0ne | 2.6 is not back compat |
| 04:40.44 | subsume | i've got 2.5 |
| 04:40.48 | subsume | and am fine with that. |
| 04:41.41 | simonrvn | pl4yer0ne: i figured |
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| 04:42.44 | pl4yer0ne | oh no sorry its actually 3.x thats not back compat |
| 04:42.50 | pl4yer0ne | i thought it was 2.6 |
| 04:42.56 | subsume | heh |
| 04:43.08 | simonrvn | ok |
| 04:43.34 | pl4yer0ne | thats werid though because i could have sworn it was 2.6 |
| 04:44.01 | pl4yer0ne | but yeah 2.6 broke things =D |
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| 04:44.27 | subsume | hmpf |
| 04:44.30 | subsume | ok, so my problem is actually this |
| 04:44.33 | maxagaz | what does 155 means in the line "eth1:155 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1e:c9:ff:5e:e8" given by ifconfig ? |
| 04:44.34 | subsume | mod-wsgi is using 2.4 I suspect |
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| 04:46.45 | demaut | Does anyone know if there is a debian package of mutt compiled with --enable-smtp? |
| 04:47.10 | simonrvn | maxagaz: #155 is number of aliases assigned to eth1 ? |
| 04:48.07 | simonrvn | demaut: apt-get source mutt and look at the mutt*/debian/rules file |
| 04:48.07 | maxagaz | simonrvn, i don't know |
| 04:48.07 | Sazpaimon_ | i just used wine to run an app i could normally just compile on linux |
| 04:48.08 | Sazpaimon_ | please yell at me and tell me how lazy i am |
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| 04:48.32 | simonrvn | Sazpaimon_: you |
| 04:48.58 | simonrvn | Sazpaimon_: have |
| 04:49.07 | simonrvn | Sazpaimon_: a _ on your nick |
| 04:49.12 | Sazpaimon_ | !!! |
| 04:49.12 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 04:49.20 | Sazpaimon_ | egads! |
| 04:49.31 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 04:49.34 | Sazpaimon | i believe i have fixed this terrible error |
| 04:49.36 | demaut | Thanks simonrvn: that's a bit above my head. |
| 04:49.37 | Sazpaimon | so yeah |
| 04:49.49 | Sazpaimon | ezstream wasnt broadcasting id3 tags all of a sudden |
| 04:49.52 | demaut | Thanks for answering though. |
| 04:50.01 | simonrvn | Sazpaimon: question is, why? |
| 04:50.19 | Sazpaimon | and i didnt feel like, figuring out why, so i ran the win32 version in ezstream in lieu of that until i have time to look into it |
| 04:50.35 | enouf | win32? ewwww |
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| 04:51.36 | Sazpaimon | i know its a kludge, but it works fine in wine |
| 04:51.40 | Prathibha | I am not able to find gnome-cups-manager package in debian5(lenny)?? Is it replaced with any other name? |
| 04:53.38 | Sazpaimon | nobody wants to yell at my laziness? |
| 04:53.43 | Sazpaimon | i thought this was #debian |
| 04:53.47 | Sazpaimon | :( |
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| 04:54.31 | kdas | quick question how do i setup a X server? or what is the best setup for a remote desktop over local lan ? |
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| 04:55.49 | simonrvn | Prathibha: gnome-print-manager perhaps (guessing)? |
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| 04:56.31 | simonrvn | kdas: install it, or install x-based apps remotely and run from ssh (/msg dpkg sshx) |
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| 04:57.37 | Prathibha | simonrvn, its system-config-printer...than u for help |
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| 04:58.27 | kdas | simonrvn, do you have a link to setup x-server to serve remote sessions over Lan? |
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| 05:01.36 | simonrvn | Prathibha: ok |
| 05:02.10 | simonrvn | kdas: not off hand, but it's easy... a web search might turn up something |
| 05:03.04 | kdas | simonrvn, what keywords i tried an only come up with setting up X-org but not for serving |
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| 05:06.00 | simonrvn | try apt-cache search rdesktop |
| 05:07.01 | kdas | simonrvn, that brings up vnc and stuff like that which don't allow multible clients to connect to one server with their own X sessions |
| 05:07.49 | mumia-w-19 | Hello. It's me again. I'm still trying to build a binary Debian package from the source, but I don't want to use dh_make because it seems to complicate things. |
| 05:07.55 | mumia-w-19 | When I run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b" I get the error "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: control file must have at least one binary package part". Does anyone know what this error message means? |
| 05:08.24 | simonrvn | you're looking for something specific, look for that in your web search, looking for "configure xorg" isn't specific enough. |
| 05:08.41 | simonrvn | mumia-w-19: exactly what it says |
| 05:08.43 | pl4yer0ne | mumia-w-19, it means that you dont have the required debian stuff to make a package |
| 05:08.46 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 05:08.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
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| 05:09.17 | mumia-w-19 | Thank you. |
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| 05:10.01 | simonrvn | those docs should help a lot |
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| 05:12.14 | pl4yer0ne | or at least show that making packages isnt a 2 minute thing |
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| 05:15.17 | hit | HI |
| 05:18.02 | phantomcircuit | [ 0.244015] Marking TSC unstable due to check_tsc_sync_source failed |
| 05:18.02 | phantomcircuit | [ 0.361611] PCI: Failed to allocate mem resource #6:20000@f0000000 for 0000:01:00.0 |
| 05:18.13 | phantomcircuit | are either of those lines from my dmesg likely to be a problem? |
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| 05:24.07 | luckylucy | why would some computers require a dot after the hostname to ping? |
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| 05:26.06 | Mousey | unhappily configured dnses |
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| 05:28.08 | simonrvn | pl4yer0ne: for sure |
| 05:28.34 | simonrvn | phantomcircuit: no, unless they're all you see :P |
| 05:29.54 | hit | Hi every! |
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| 05:30.21 | simonrvn | hands hit an 'one' |
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| 05:31.47 | merlincorey | W 16 |
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| 05:33.14 | sebbs | anybody who can recomend me a good game to install? |
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| 05:33.46 | sebbs | most games dont really seem to work very well due to textinput not working fullscreen etc |
| 05:33.46 | Supaplex | !! pick me pick me !! |
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| 05:33.56 | merlincorey | sebbs: apt-cache search games |
| 05:34.04 | sebbs | merlincorey: i did that |
| 05:34.05 | merlincorey | sebbs: your keyboard doesn't work in fullscreen? |
| 05:34.11 | Supaplex | !supaplex |
| 05:34.12 | dpkg | you are, like, a classic game from the m$dos days featuring 111 levels of insanity. Now it's freeware, and has somewhere around 11 level seperate sets of (111) levels. a super hero one man support team, or see http://www.elmerproductions.com/sp/dlinst.html |
| 05:34.28 | merlincorey | wow Supaplex that's amazing! |
| 05:34.30 | sebbs | does it work well with just touchscreen? |
| 05:34.43 | sebbs | ill check that out Supaplex |
| 05:34.57 | Adrian` | return to castle wolfenstein |
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| 05:35.20 | Supaplex | snipes of the maze |
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| 05:36.55 | sebbs | haha |
| 05:37.01 | sebbs | im in the wrong #debian |
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| 05:37.25 | merlincorey | sebbs: really? how so> |
| 05:38.01 | sebbs | i was supposed to be in #openmoko-debian |
| 05:38.11 | merlincorey | sebbs: ah that would certainly make a difference |
| 05:38.14 | sebbs | hence my touchscreen comment |
| 05:38.41 | sebbs | fullscreen/sdl does not give focus to the onscreen keyboard |
| 05:38.57 | hit | I am glad to see so many people use debian |
| 05:39.10 | sebbs | :) |
| 05:39.46 | hit | Are you a student? |
| 05:39.50 | pl4yer0ne | I dont use debian Im just here to pick up chicks |
| 05:39.55 | sebbs | me? |
| 05:39.57 | simonrvn | hit: there are many many more |
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| 05:40.03 | merlincorey | ^5 pl4yer0ne |
| 05:40.05 | merlincorey | damn straight |
| 05:40.10 | merlincorey | simonrvn looks awesome in heels |
| 05:40.13 | merlincorey | ducks |
| 05:40.14 | hit | haha |
| 05:40.20 | pl4yer0ne | haha eewwwwwww |
| 05:40.23 | merlincorey | :P |
| 05:40.41 | hit | :-) |
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| 05:41.47 | hit | I have download a kernel 2.28,but filed to cmplier it |
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| 05:42.02 | pl4yer0ne | pffft the chicks wont be impressed by that hit |
| 05:42.09 | simonrvn | o_O. i've never worn any in my life, besides, my feet wouldn't fit |
| 05:42.47 | simonrvn | (not that i'm against crossdressers, heh) |
| 05:42.57 | pl4yer0ne | how would you know your feet wouldnt fit if you had never tried any on? |
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| 05:43.20 | hit | haha |
| 05:43.24 | simonrvn | if you saw my feet, you'd know too |
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| 05:43.50 | Adrian` | you tried |
| 05:44.12 | Adrian` | I have a size 16 US MENS |
| 05:44.22 | pl4yer0ne | fuck thats pretty big |
| 05:44.23 | Adrian` | but i still went looking for heels |
| 05:44.29 | merlincorey | LOL |
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| 05:44.35 | Adrian` | lol |
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| 05:45.25 | paulfitzpatrick | I have a number of ips sharing the same network interface. When I ssh tunnel into the machine I always get the last ip in the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:45.32 | paulfitzpatrick | is that working as intended? |
| 05:46.35 | pgs | paulfitzpatrick, is sshd configured to listen on all IPs, or just the last one? |
| 05:46.53 | paulfitzpatrick | oh that's probably the issues then, thanks :) |
| 05:48.02 | paulfitzpatrick | erm what do I need to alter in the sshd_config? |
| 05:49.06 | paulfitzpatrick | currently I have: AllowTcpForwarding yes, GatewayPorts yes, TCPKeepAlive yes |
| 05:49.15 | pgs | the ListenAddress parameter? |
| 05:50.25 | simonrvn | Adrian`: hehe |
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| 05:51.28 | simonrvn | Adrian`: me it's not length - pretty average for my heritage, at size 10 - but width. we have very wide feet, and hard to find shoes of any sort that fit right. |
| 05:52.48 | Adrian` | I'm fairly Hungarian |
| 05:52.56 | kingsley | Why would a live CD successfully access a DNS server, but fail to ping anything? |
| 05:54.25 | sepult | kingsley: resolver issue |
| 05:55.43 | sepult | kingsley: do you use dhcp ? |
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| 05:57.10 | kingsley | sepult: Yes, I use dhcp. |
| 05:57.16 | kingsley | needs to go soon. |
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| 05:58.33 | sepult | kingsley: did you add your dns servers name into /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 05:58.46 | sepult | kingsley: address i mean |
| 05:59.28 | sepult | nameserver <dns-server-adress> >> /etc/resolv.conf and try again |
| 05:59.51 | sepult | but maybe you have to restart networking, or resolver |
| 05:59.55 | sepult | or your hole system |
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| 06:01.03 | kingsley | sepult: I should probably explain that the live CD is run under qemu, and the host computer uses dnsmasq. And yes, dns server addresses are in /etc/resolv.conf. |
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| 06:01.34 | simonrvn | Adrian`: ah cool, i'm Mi'kmaq |
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| 06:02.45 | kingsley | sepult: One clue may be that the host computer uses private net 192.168.0, whereas the live CD uses the private net 10.0.2 |
| 06:02.46 | Adrian` | i need to dump my home drive so i can put debian on this machine |
| 06:03.08 | pl4yer0ne | I know some Hungarian, but apparently its pretty much the worst thing you can say... so I wont write it. |
| 06:03.32 | Sashi | anyone here have experience with wine and utorrent? |
| 06:03.43 | simonrvn | if you know how to say hello and thank you then i'd say you knew some :P |
| 06:03.50 | kingsley | sepult: It seems odd to me that the live CD is able to access DNS when it's on a different private net. |
| 06:04.27 | sepult | kingsley: check /etc/networks /etc/hosts your hostname and /etc/network/interfaces add a mapping scheme from the cd's private net to your host computers private net |
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| 06:05.06 | sepult | kingsley: are you behind a router ? |
| 06:05.06 | dirkson | Hey all. Synaptic's search isn't really working anymore. It doesn't return hardly any results for anything, I'm sort of confused. I can INSTALL anything I like just like normal. |
| 06:05.32 | karsten | Sashi: I generally recommend a good red, though some would say a muscat complements utorrent well. |
| 06:05.42 | kingsley | sepult: My understanding is that I am not behind a router. |
| 06:05.44 | Sashi | :P |
| 06:06.13 | karsten | Sashi: What's the wine question. Not to utorrent, I usually use btdownloadcurses m'self for BT. |
| 06:06.37 | karsten | kingsley: In Soviet Russia, the router is behind YOU! |
| 06:06.40 | Sashi | welll i want to know how the performance is like under wine with utorrent karsten |
| 06:06.58 | sepult | kingsley: but you have to do something like routing...host<->guest |
| 06:07.04 | karsten | Sashi: Um. That doesn't make sense. Performance of what? |
| 06:07.12 | Sashi | the app and its torrents |
| 06:07.14 | Adrian` | karsten, in soviet russia computer hacks you |
| 06:07.18 | sepult | kingsley: either mapping or routing |
| 06:07.28 | karsten | kingsley: mtr (matt's traceroute) should show what's between you and the net. |
| 06:07.31 | sepult | kingsley: i'm not sure if mapping alone will suffice |
| 06:07.58 | Adrian` | torrents do more then just get your pr0n, torrenting though wine is straight bad |
| 06:08.05 | Sashi | at any rate |
| 06:08.11 | karsten | Adrian`: In soviet russian, soviet russia jokes tell YOU. |
| 06:08.23 | maxagaz | does someone know about using preseed to make a PXE install ? |
| 06:08.32 | Sashi | are there any torrent clients for linux that allows mulit instances? |
| 06:08.36 | Sashi | with a webgui |
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| 06:08.44 | Sashi | cuz rtorrent allows that BUT the webgui doesnt |
| 06:08.52 | karsten | Sashi: Why are you using a (presumably) Windows-based torrent app? You've got plenty to choose from in Debian/ |
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| 06:09.09 | merlincorey | Sashi: torrentflux |
| 06:09.11 | Sashi | im using rtorrent but it doesnt suit my needs, i cant seem to get multiinstances running |
| 06:09.22 | Sashi | and no thanks lol tf is not my thing |
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| 06:09.32 | simonrvn | Sashi: that ^^, or transmission |
| 06:09.40 | karsten | !tell sashi about search |
| 06:10.20 | karsten | Sashi: I get about 29 results w/ aptitude search torrent, of which about ten are libs. |
| 06:10.46 | karsten | Sashi: torrentflux is a web-based client. |
| 06:10.53 | Sashi | yea i know but its bulky |
| 06:10.56 | karsten | Sashi: Haven't used either. |
| 06:10.59 | Sashi | i like rtorrent |
| 06:11.18 | karsten | Sashi: That's all I know. |
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| 06:11.49 | merlincorey | yeah I don't really go for webbased anything if I can help it, but i just happened to know it was a web based client |
| 06:11.53 | merlincorey | I don't know how many there are |
| 06:11.59 | merlincorey | make your own and open source it! |
| 06:12.06 | pl4yer0ne | Sashi, why do you want myulitple isntances of a torrent client? |
| 06:12.17 | Sashi | i have my reasons |
| 06:12.21 | pl4yer0ne | woo spelling FTW! |
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| 06:12.30 | pl4yer0ne | are they shit reasons? |
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| 06:14.05 | pl4yer0ne | silence is a yes =) |
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| 06:14.55 | merlincorey | pl4yer0ne wins! |
| 06:15.03 | merlincorey | Sashi: would you like to play again? |
| 06:15.08 | Sashi | lol |
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| 06:19.06 | pl4yer0ne | and I dont see why your cant run two instances of rtorrent |
| 06:19.37 | pl4yer0ne | because i just tried it. |
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| 06:20.51 | pl4yer0ne | like obviously you need to change the ports etc and use a different session dir |
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| 06:21.35 | Adrian` | why rtorrent over the others? i ask because i'm looking for a new client to use |
| 06:21.56 | pl4yer0ne | rtorrent has lots of features and runs from the console |
| 06:21.59 | r2r4 | is capabilities built-in in debian kernel ? |
| 06:22.17 | pl4yer0ne | its like azureus for the console i find |
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| 06:23.28 | Sashi | pl4yer0ne |
| 06:23.30 | Sashi | no |
| 06:23.33 | mumia-w-19 | How do I report spam /msg's ? |
| 06:23.37 | Sashi | you can run two instances |
| 06:23.41 | Sashi | but for GUI you cant |
| 06:23.53 | simonrvn | mumia-w-19: from in here? |
| 06:23.56 | pl4yer0ne | gui? |
| 06:23.58 | mumia-w-19 | Yes |
| 06:24.11 | simonrvn | lemme guess {R}uDe{G}iRL ? |
| 06:24.13 | mumia-w-19 | I just got a /msg from {R}uDe{G}iRL |
| 06:24.18 | mumia-w-19 | yup |
| 06:24.24 | simonrvn | !ops {R}uDe{G}iRL spam bot |
| 06:24.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: {R}uDe{G}iRL spam bot |
| 06:24.30 | archie | elow |
| 06:24.31 | simonrvn | that's how |
| 06:24.39 | mumia-w-19 | :-? |
| 06:24.52 | mumia-w-19 | I don't understand. |
| 06:24.55 | simonrvn | don't bother doing it, i did it |
| 06:24.56 | archie | elow |
| 06:25.01 | mumia-w-19 | Okay, thanks. |
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| 06:25.07 | Adrian` | i think i'll try rtorrent |
| 06:25.16 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 06:25.32 | Adrian` | then i can ssh for remote management |
| 06:25.49 | pl4yer0ne | Adrian, run it in a screen session |
| 06:25.56 | pl4yer0ne | so you can detach etc |
| 06:26.32 | Adrian` | will do ;) |
| 06:27.01 | Adrian` | now i can torrent the new summer collection of high heels |
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| 06:33.41 | gauge | oi, good morning/eveing all |
| 06:33.55 | Pythack | Hello |
| 06:35.01 | gauge | When I do a debian install, and I select Gnome as a WM, I should be greeted with Gnome when the install is finished and I restart my system, ..right? |
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| 06:35.42 | karsten | gauge: yes |
| 06:36.21 | gauge | hmm.. weird. That's what I thought.. I'm reinstallign right now because that didn't happen when I tried this earier today. |
| 06:37.07 | gauge | Do I need an inane number of CD's ? I got no prompt saying that gnome was not on CD1. |
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| 06:38.23 | karsten | gauge: No, jost the first CD. you should get a netinstall disk if possible. |
| 06:38.52 | karsten | gauge: What do you see when you boot? Does 'dpkg -l gdm' show th epackage as installed? |
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| 06:42.44 | gauge | didn't get a chnace to do that, as I'm reinstalling it right now |
| 06:42.59 | gauge | long story -can't do a netinstall. |
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| 06:44.03 | gauge | its a PII, w/ floppy bay. pcmcia slot for (non-bootable) CD-ROM drive OR pcmcia ethernet card. |
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| 06:45.56 | karsten | gauge: rube-goldberg install!! |
| 06:46.04 | gauge | too true. |
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| 06:46.34 | gauge | I even tried hot swapping the netinstall cd and the network card. ....didnt go too well. |
| 06:46.41 | karsten | gauge: OK. You can still get a minimal system on and then do the rest of the package installation afterward. That may leave you with console-only initially. It's really not a big deal, so long as you're comfortable with shell. |
| 06:47.03 | karsten | gauge: Sometimes the easiest thing is to swap out the HD into another machine for the instlal. |
| 06:47.03 | gauge | ..tell me more sir Karsten. |
| 06:47.17 | karsten | gauge: I'd love to but it's past my bedtime. |
| 06:47.27 | gauge | ...I can do that, install on another machine?? |
| 06:47.29 | karsten | gauge: You know your way around shell? |
| 06:47.34 | gauge | yeah' |
| 06:47.34 | karsten | gauge: yeah. |
| 06:47.46 | gauge | cool. Never knew that. |
| 06:47.56 | gauge | what command do I run in console? |
| 06:48.16 | karsten | gauge: OK. My first approach would be to do the install on the target host, just shell + network support. Once done, reboot, run aptitude, and install the rest of the stuff you want. |
| 06:48.24 | karsten | gauge: 'aptitude' as root. |
| 06:48.25 | gauge | nice. |
| 06:48.29 | gauge | wicked nice. |
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| 06:48.57 | karsten | That's your basic package management tool. There's more info in the installation manual and the apt howto / guide. Sec. |
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| 06:50.00 | karsten | apt howto: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
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| 06:50.12 | karsten | debian reference: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/index.en.html |
| 06:50.26 | karsten | And here. Between the lot you should be fine. |
| 06:51.00 | karsten | gauge: Just FYI, I wrote the first draft of the chroot install docs, which more or less follows this strategy. Get a minimal system installed, do the rest of the installation after booting the system. |
| 06:51.12 | karsten | gauge: Now an appendix in the debian installation manual. |
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| 06:52.51 | karsten | gauge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
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| 06:53.26 | r2r4 | it's really a nightmare going though the kernels of kinds of distro |
| 06:54.18 | gauge | nice. |
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| 06:54.45 | gauge | is there anyway to do a netinstall off of a floppy by chance? |
| 06:54.52 | karsten | gauge: I wouldn't say "nice". I'd say "grungy but useful" |
| 06:55.12 | gauge | well I'm a grungy guy, so it works. Hell, I'd learn a lot doing it that way too. |
| 06:55.14 | karsten | gauge: If you can boot a floppy capable of running debootstrap, yes. |
| 06:55.29 | gauge | awsome. you're a wealth on info. |
| 06:55.33 | gauge | *of info |
| 06:55.35 | karsten | gauge: I've done it with tomsrtbt in the past, but its support of modern HW is pretty iffy. PII should work. |
| 06:55.45 | karsten | gauge: http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
| 06:55.58 | gauge | I have that actuly, never used it though. funny. |
| 06:56.09 | karsten | has used it. And abused it. |
| 06:56.23 | simNIX | gauge, of a few floppys |
| 06:56.56 | doleyb | simNIX: what's a floppy |
| 06:57.19 | karsten | doleyb: it's what we had before there was IntarTube pr0n. |
| 06:57.30 | gauge | ...for real, simNIX? |
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| 06:58.18 | simNIX | an ancient diskette |
| 06:58.42 | simNIX | gauge debain setpu can be started from a few diskettes - yes |
| 06:58.42 | pl4yer0ne | someone said pr0n? |
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| 06:59.34 | gauge | where would I find those diskettes? |
| 06:59.43 | karsten | gauge: Which? |
| 07:00.03 | adb | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 07:00.31 | gauge | ones for an old-school-floppy-netinstall |
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| 07:00.49 | doleyb | karsten: funny story, I actually have about 20 kg of floppies, which all contain Microsoft Internet Explorer 1.0, published in 1997 |
| 07:01.02 | gauge | ahahaha |
| 07:01.15 | karsten | gauge: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
| 07:01.25 | simNIX | :) |
| 07:01.28 | karsten | doleyb: And what's the funny story? |
| 07:01.34 | gauge | wicked. |
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| 07:02.14 | karsten | wonders if gauge is in massachusetts by any chance... |
| 07:02.37 | doleyb | karsten: the idea that a person would intentionally seek copies of MS IE if it hadn't been preinstalled is hilarious. |
| 07:02.43 | gauge | ....you didn't guesse that from my IP I take it? |
| 07:02.46 | karsten | ... and is waiting for "wicked bad" |
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| 07:02.59 | doleyb | awesome |
| 07:03.02 | karsten | doleyb: Yankin yer chain. |
| 07:03.03 | gauge | I try to avoid using "wicked pissah". |
| 07:03.16 | karsten | gauge: "wicked" tipped me off. IP confirmed. |
| 07:03.28 | gauge | "no doubt" |
| 07:03.30 | karsten | heh. |
| 07:06.55 | karsten | OK, g'night all. |
| 07:06.59 | gauge | 'night |
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| 07:08.27 | MJS | hehe goodnight - it |
| 07:08.37 | MJS | 's morning here ^^ |
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| 07:18.34 | simNIX | did anyone here had succes in getting miro 2 compiled on Lenny ? -> i get compile rorro. Im looking at version 2 becouse on one shiped through Lenny if I search on youtube I find it, but if I click to download it says not found - if i copy the link to firefox it does work ... |
| 07:18.44 | simNIX | rorro-error |
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| 07:19.20 | slimjim | anyone familar with Xawtv in here |
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| 07:20.27 | slimjim | i am using dreamlinux 3.5 ati all in wonder agp got picture but no sound i may have found a way to fix it but i can not seem to fig out how to (MAKEDEV) work |
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| 07:21.30 | eanda | any audacious fans out here? |
| 07:21.49 | MJS | here |
| 07:22.00 | eanda | hey. MJS |
| 07:22.11 | slimjim | can anyone here help me fig out how to makedev |
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| 07:23.03 | eanda | MJS: I need some help. Audacious installed as part of fvwm-crystal, so I want to use it however I can't get it to play an audio cd |
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| 07:23.24 | intx | is there anyway to get smartmontools to ignore old_age on my hard drive? it keeps 'failing smart' because of it. |
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| 07:24.16 | MJS | eanda - i don't know wether it is able to play Audio CDs |
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| 07:24.26 | reilz | hey all |
| 07:24.30 | MJS | hi reilz |
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| 07:24.53 | eanda | MJS: What is it good for then? only playing ripped files? |
| 07:25.05 | khaije1_ | gfs or ocfs ? |
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| 07:26.36 | reilz | hey mjs hows it going? |
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| 07:27.17 | dacs | howdy folks :) |
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| 07:27.40 | MJS | eanda: yes for MP3s and OGG Vorbis |
| 07:28.38 | reilz | hey dacs |
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| 07:29.06 | dacs | nm, another day in paradise |
| 07:29.09 | dacs | :) |
| 07:29.13 | dacs | you? |
| 07:29.54 | khaije1 | also is it possible to set an iscsi initiator as a raid device? |
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| 07:35.12 | bony | has any one worked with fax in here? |
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| 07:44.44 | mavhc | fax? that 1900s tech only used by luddites who think it's someone "secure" |
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| 07:49.48 | Mousey | 1900s tech! |
| 07:49.51 | Mousey | i'm so using that |
| 07:50.08 | liable | still has its uses. dont answer the question if you're just going to offer useless comments |
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| 07:51.39 | Mousey | it wasn't useless! i learned a new term! |
| 07:51.44 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 07:51.48 | Adrian` | fax's are those things you use to print long cat out at other people's expense right? |
| 07:52.01 | Mousey | long cat is long |
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| 08:14.03 | dacs | who is good with gimp |
| 08:14.59 | Adrian` | i'm decent |
| 08:15.13 | Adrian` | that makes me a maybe for helping you |
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| 08:15.48 | luckylucy | who is good with dnsmasq? |
| 08:16.31 | dacs | Adrian`: i am an expert in PS, but now i made the switch to linux, i feel like i know nothing |
| 08:16.45 | dacs | luckylucy: a Router ! :P |
| 08:16.52 | luckylucy | i have a question about a couple of lines in the manual... |
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| 08:17.15 | luckylucy | dacs: heh, not my router... |
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| 08:21.45 | segfault- | hi guys |
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| 08:28.13 | ronr | is kde4 in experimental currently broken? (looks like I'm missing libortp7 for amd64) |
| 08:28.32 | streuner__ | ask #debian-kde |
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| 08:32.21 | ronr | streuner: I will |
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| 08:33.22 | segfault- | anyone know about imap ? |
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| 08:33.39 | merlincorey | segfault-: someone does, surely |
| 08:33.40 | fairway | hi |
| 08:33.43 | segfault- | i got troubles installing an imap server.. |
| 08:33.44 | merlincorey | segfault-: just go ahead and ask your question |
| 08:33.51 | fairway | how do I decrease the writeback interval in ext3 |
| 08:33.57 | fairway | to m? |
| 08:33.59 | fairway | oops |
| 08:34.05 | fairway | to make it more crash-proof? |
| 08:34.07 | segfault- | well, i got uw-imapd and it doesn't recognise / allow me to identify trough php |
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| 08:34.18 | segfault- | (php5-imap is loaded of course) |
| 08:34.49 | segfault- | and i don't know where to get / how to get logs of any kind |
| 08:34.52 | segfault- | (to get clues) |
| 08:35.01 | merlincorey | segfault-: nothing in /var/log ? |
| 08:35.08 | segfault- | merlincorey, sec |
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| 08:35.24 | gauge | oi, back again. The install worked Better this time. |
| 08:35.26 | merlincorey | moin simonrvn |
| 08:35.36 | simonrvn | hi |
| 08:35.39 | merlincorey | gauge: congratulations |
| 08:35.48 | gauge | I have gnome. looks pritty. but the login manager doesn't want to let me in. |
| 08:36.09 | ronr | another question, I need to choose some virtuazation software, I want to run apache (with php) in a virtual machine and run FF / iceweasel in two different vms (one dev, one usage), in the future I'll probably need a third vm for IE testing, I'd prefer if the 'browser-vms' would be seamless, any suggestions what to use? |
| 08:36.11 | gauge | not the user account Icreated during install, or acsept the root password |
| 08:36.12 | OpenTokix | My gnomes is clogging the tubes of the internets. |
| 08:36.20 | ronr | or a pointer to a good site with comparisions between options? |
| 08:36.27 | segfault- | merlincorey, nothing relevant :/ |
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| 08:36.50 | merlincorey | ronr: you can use virtualbox or I hear you can get VMWare for just personal use, no idea if that limits the number of VMs though |
| 08:37.23 | segfault- | merlincorey, checking auth logs .. |
| 08:37.30 | ronr | merlincorey: I've been vmplayer for a bit before but there's no seamless mode, checking virtualbox.... |
| 08:37.52 | merlincorey | segfault-: yeah it could be hiding in a few different usual suspects; I don't have any experience with IMAP, unfortunately |
| 08:38.23 | segfault- | merlincorey, seems wer're going investigating .. |
| 08:38.33 | merlincorey | so I don't know what might be useful in your case, however often dmesg, syslog, or so could be helpful |
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| 08:38.45 | merlincorey | segfault-: now might be a good time to get familiar with grep if you aren't already (man grep, info grep) |
| 08:38.57 | merlincorey | segfault-: you can try grepping the whole /var/log for IMAP |
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| 08:40.04 | JyZyXEL | god damn it is pain to make a bootable USB stick |
| 08:40.17 | JyZyXEL | i've been trying for 2 days and it just doesn't work |
| 08:40.23 | merlincorey | JyZyXEL: really? I just had to dd to it and then I could put other ISOs on if I wanted... |
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| 08:40.35 | merlincorey | JyZyXEL: it could be that your motherboard doesn't support booting from USB? |
| 08:40.43 | JyZyXEL | merlincorey i tried with 4 computers |
| 08:40.53 | Adrian` | JyZyXEL, it's easy in ubuntu, but that's ubuntu saddly |
| 08:40.56 | merlincorey | how old are they? recent firmware? |
| 08:41.15 | JyZyXEL | merlincorey like <2005 |
| 08:41.23 | JyZyXEL | wait is it < or > |
| 08:41.24 | JyZyXEL | i don't know |
| 08:41.35 | segfault- | merlincorey, i got too many messages using grep |
| 08:41.47 | merlincorey | segfault-: that's a good thing! |
| 08:42.01 | JyZyXEL | all the tutorials i saw use like million tools |
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| 08:42.06 | segfault- | merlincorey, not really :/ |
| 08:42.10 | segfault- | too much info |
| 08:42.10 | merlincorey | segfault-: now you can use grep to filter out useless messages! |
| 08:43.25 | merlincorey | segfault-: it's easy; so say you did something like this: grep -nHR IMAP /var/log; just pipe it through grep with -v (inverse) to exclude messages you don't care about by regular expression |
| 08:43.56 | merlincorey | segfault-: so if there are a lot of messages with a certain unique phrase like "IMAP OK" you can do this: grep -nHR IMAP /var/log | grep -v "IMAP OK" |
| 08:44.09 | segfault- | k |
| 08:44.20 | Adrian` | there's a program called usb-creator that might work for you |
| 08:44.23 | merlincorey | segfault-: probably more than you wanted to learn for simple imap problem but I am grepping my logs and I have nothing :P |
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| 08:44.59 | merlincorey | !tell JyZyXEL about usb install |
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| 08:46.09 | ubd | hello how do i ssh to another machine, which program shall i install? |
| 08:46.51 | segfault- | openssh-client |
| 08:47.04 | bman | openssh-client on the client side and openssh-server on the server side |
| 08:47.11 | ubd | ok cool |
| 08:47.23 | ubd | putty ýs the wýndows equývalent of ýt rýght |
| 08:47.32 | bman | now send me and segfault joints |
| 08:47.36 | bman | putty will do ssh now |
| 08:48.24 | bman | yes |
| 08:48.24 | ubd | ok thank you |
| 08:48.24 | bman | ko |
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| 08:48.35 | bolt | is there any such thing as a simple linux-compatible usb-device that will connect and disconnect wires? i want my reliable debian box to be wired to the reset button of my unreliable windows box |
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| 08:49.59 | doleyb | bolt: Well... some people have built those things by putting a USB-Parrellel adapter in, and then drive a relay off the parr pins |
| 08:50.25 | bman | pretty cool project actually |
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| 08:51.02 | bolt | doleyb: hm... not a bad idea, that |
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| 08:53.41 | bman | doleyb, found it |
| 08:53.42 | bman | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2006/06/usb_switch.html |
| 08:53.53 | bman | bolt: ^^ |
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| 08:56.00 | bolt | cool |
| 08:56.22 | bolt | i need it to be programmable, though. like, when the windoze box stops responding to ping, i reset it |
| 08:56.31 | bolt | i'll try and adapt this to my needs |
| 08:56.34 | bolt | thanks, guys |
| 08:58.03 | bman | take any usb that powers a LED, take the led out, replace it with wires going to your power switch, write a script to ping, if no ping reCV then modprobe the device (maybe rmmod toof first) |
| 08:58.38 | doleyb | bolt: this project was made for your need, except that it relies on a real parallel http://www.dehnes.com/pp_powerSwitch/ |
| 08:58.46 | bman | pimp |
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| 08:59.22 | gauge | that was hell. |
| 09:00.13 | gauge | had to ctrl+alt+f1, login as root. del my user account, make a new one, change the passwd. then add that user to the login manager. |
| 09:00.26 | gauge | uncool. wicked uncool. |
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| 09:00.50 | gauge | oooo... pretty... I have a desktop now... |
| 09:01.07 | Adrian` | cool |
| 09:01.28 | gauge | nice. Debian 5 on a CF-27. Never thought I'd see the day. |
| 09:01.54 | gauge | I'm ginvign myself a highfive right now. |
| 09:02.03 | Adrian` | i can't wait for squeeze! |
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| 09:02.24 | ubd2 | how do i change the dhcp conf - gateway netmask etc? |
| 09:03.05 | ubd2 | i uninstalled gdm to disable xstart, but it did nt wok. should i uninstall openbox? |
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| 09:09.44 | ubd2 | how do i change the network settings uh |
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| 09:10.22 | caoanroad4800 | hello guys. i've got a problem after upgrading to unstable. My logitech ex100 refuses to work after upgrading. and cat /proc/bus/input/devices does not show any output about "Logitech". so i can not modify my xorg.conf accordingly ..... |
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| 09:11.21 | fairway | what about the idea to set the commit interval to 1 s in ext3? |
| 09:11.26 | fairway | will it slow down performance? |
| 09:12.15 | adb | ubd2: edit /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 09:12.59 | Piet | hi |
| 09:13.09 | Piet | i'm having trouble installing grub2 |
| 09:13.34 | caoanroad4800 | anybody can help ? please |
| 09:13.37 | merlincorey | caoanroad4800: generally moving to unstable is not considered "upgrading" |
| 09:13.51 | sylarovich | anyone know if it is possible to get static IP not from my ISP, and same about ipv6? |
| 09:14.25 | Piet | i have a somewhat complex block device layering: |
| 09:14.25 | merlincorey | sylarovich: yes it is possible, call them up |
| 09:14.26 | Piet | two disks, sda + sdb, forming md0 |
| 09:14.43 | Piet | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.50 | sylarovich | merlincorey, call who? |
| 09:15.21 | merlincorey | sylarovich: oh sorry I misread that; your ISP probably will not route someone else's IP |
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| 09:16.01 | merlincorey | sylarovich: you might have better luck with the IPV6 though |
| 09:16.11 | Piet | on md0p2 there is a a dm-crypt luks crypto layer, then lvm with a single pv, single vg, and four lvs forming /, /usr, /var and swap |
| 09:16.23 | sylarovich | merlincorey, I wonder how it goes with ipv6 |
| 09:17.29 | Piet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:18.17 | Piet | mdadm.conf is default |
| 09:18.40 | Piet | now when i run grub-install '(hd0)' I get this: |
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| 09:19.04 | Piet | grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for `md0p2cryptvg0-lv_slash' |
| 09:19.04 | Piet | Auto-detection of a filesystem module failed. |
| 09:19.12 | caoanroad4800 | merlincorey: thanks. and what should i do, to make my debian recongnize logitech usb receiver ? |
| 09:19.29 | Piet | md0p2cryptvg0-lv_slash is the lv containing the root file system |
| 09:19.34 | dacs | Adrian`: check pm please |
| 09:19.57 | Piet | what am i doing wrong herE? |
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| 09:23.49 | Adrian` | !tell dacs about msg |
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| 09:24.24 | D4T | where does lenny loads it kernel modules from? just checked /etc/modules and theres two lines :O |
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| 09:25.54 | segfault- | D4T, look in /lib |
| 09:26.30 | D4T | segfault-: I take it the modules loaded at boot time just sit in a folder then? rather then being specified in a config file? |
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| 09:27.02 | segfault- | D4T, config is somewhere, unsure where |
| 09:27.09 | D4T | ok |
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| 09:27.19 | rexwin | i am following a doc to install snort which has a dependency snort-pgsql.but when trying to install the dependencies it ask to remove the main package.how do you install dependency without removing the main package. |
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| 09:27.52 | rexwin | http://pastie.org/420745 |
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| 09:28.42 | simNIX | sunbird combined with thunderbird makes somehow I cant create notes or apointments on Lenny |
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| 09:29.09 | simNIX | stand alone sunbird works - anyone have same problem or can sugest a solution ? |
| 09:29.20 | segfault- | rexwin, so what ? |
| 09:29.40 | segfault- | rexwin, snort-pgsql seems to not be a dependancy on debian |
| 09:30.26 | rexwin | according to doc both main package and dependency are required for proper operation of snort. |
| 09:30.35 | fairway | what is the difference between ext3 writeback and ext3 ordered? |
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| 09:30.45 | rexwin | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/318 |
| 09:31.41 | segfault- | do a show |
| 09:31.49 | segfault- | aptitude show <pkgname> |
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| 09:31.57 | segfault- | and read the info |
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| 09:32.03 | segfault- | you'll know what and what not |
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| 09:36.48 | Piet | i'll try again: could someone guide me through grub2 installation quickly? |
| 09:36.57 | Piet | grub legacy will be fine, too |
| 09:37.05 | Piet | i'm on lenny |
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| 09:39.17 | ubd2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.29 | ubd2 | Piet http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/141.html |
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| 09:41.59 | Piet | ubd2: thanks, i know the basic installation, but i have a more complex setup here |
| 09:42.30 | ubd2 | iam a noob so i cant help further :D sry |
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| 09:48.00 | Piet | np |
| 09:48.02 | Piet | :) |
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| 09:49.15 | jelly | fairway: man mount shows some basic information |
| 09:49.24 | simonrvn | Piet: grub-install first |
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| 09:50.07 | simonrvn | AFK |
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| 09:52.53 | Piet | simonrvn: grub-install is what does not work |
| 09:53.34 | fairway | thanks jelly |
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| 09:54.10 | Piet | <Piet> now when i run grub-install '(hd0)' I get this: |
| 09:54.10 | Piet | <Piet> grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for `md0p2cryptvg0-lv_slash' |
| 09:54.12 | Piet | <Piet> Auto-detection of a filesystem module failed. |
| 09:54.16 | Piet | i guess my mistake was to have md0p1 and md0p2 instead of md0 and md1 |
| 09:54.18 | Piet | and i need to restart from scratch |
| 09:55.27 | segfault- | Piet, if you say so |
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| 09:55.53 | Piet | segfault-: would you say something different? |
| 09:56.26 | segfault- | i'd say you could (i'm not a grub expert, more likely on lilo :P) that you could check entries in menu.lst |
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| 10:00.37 | Piet | menu.lst is grub legacy, it's grub.cfg now |
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| 10:00.42 | Piet | but yes, i'm on that |
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| 10:02.12 | hit | I am newer to Linux,so just listen :-( |
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| 10:07.28 | MoL0ToV^ | hi to all! in a samba PDC school environment, i have 2 printers installed in the system. the driver of the printer is bad, how i can force a printer shared to use a specific windows driver? |
| 10:07.34 | MoL0ToV^ | the os is debian 5.0 stable |
| 10:07.44 | MoL0ToV^ | suggestions? |
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| 10:14.35 | hit | I really want to help,but i have no ideas |
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| 10:17.43 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 10:18.02 | man_in_shack | is it possible to build a kernel package for an i386 system on an amd64 system? |
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| 10:19.02 | cast | man_in_shack: i believe so, cross-compile |
| 10:19.16 | man_in_shack | are there instructions? :) |
| 10:19.30 | man_in_shack | wait, i think i got it |
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| 10:35.44 | Ulysse_ | Hi everyone ^^ |
| 10:36.04 | hit | ^ ^ |
| 10:36.04 | Ulysse_ | needs some feedback upon Msi WInd 100U netbook |
| 10:36.20 | Ulysse_ | anyone weeling to help? ;-) |
| 10:36.50 | nareshov | !eeepc |
| 10:36.51 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860>. #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 10:36.56 | nareshov | try that irc channel too ^ |
| 10:37.20 | Ulysse_ | good idea nareshov !! |
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| 10:37.25 | Ulysse_ | <-- Dumb ;-) |
| 10:37.31 | Ulysse_ | i'll check there ;-) |
| 10:37.33 | Ulysse_ | thx! |
| 10:38.22 | nareshov | !wind |
| 10:38.22 | dpkg | from memory, wind is like the stuff that blows through the mind of high-level managers |
| 10:38.26 | nareshov | heh |
| 10:38.32 | Ulysse_ | !wind |
| 10:38.32 | dpkg | it has been said that wind is like the stuff that blows through the mind of high-level managers |
| 10:38.43 | nareshov | !netbook |
| 10:38.44 | dpkg | Netbooks are small energy efficient laptops, some of which are sold with linux preinstalled. Sites dedicated to linux on laptops can be of help (ask me about <laptops>). See also <eeepc>, <acerone>. |
| 10:38.47 | Ulysse_ | arf! great def bot ;-) |
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| 10:39.08 | PiousMinion | Anyone know of a list of 3rd party/unsupported debian repos? |
| 10:39.16 | nareshov | !3rdparty |
| 10:39.16 | Ulysse_ | anyway thx for the tips nareshov ;-) |
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| 10:39.24 | nareshov | yw |
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| 10:39.56 | omry_|work | any idea why on some of my machines the bash package is missing /etc/bash_completion? |
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| 10:39.58 | Mal3ko | is it possible to install debian w/o gui and all that..this is for server use |
| 10:40.17 | PiousMinion | nareshov: evidently dpkg doesn't recognize "3rdparty". :( |
| 10:40.17 | KineticBug | Yes |
| 10:40.38 | KineticBug | Mal3ko, I'd suggest netinstall, allows you to easily select which components you want at install |
| 10:40.46 | PiousMinion | omry_|work: try installing "bash-completion" |
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| 10:41.49 | omry_|work | PiousMinion, bingo. that's odd. dpkg -S /etc/bash_completion shown me that it's in the bash package (on the machines where I had it) |
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| 10:41.49 | ShredZ | When I print a 7x7" pdf to an A4 printer, cups shows the job as processing and as completed, but the printer doesn't move. On some printers this does work fine. What's the catch ? |
| 10:42.01 | Ulysse_ | damend the seems all dead there! |
| 10:42.05 | liable | Mal3ko: of course |
| 10:42.05 | Ulysse_ | no one reacts! |
| 10:42.14 | Ulysse_ | hum! |
| 10:42.41 | Ulysse_ | by the way ... which channel do i have to get in touch with to get ssl connection? |
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| 10:43.27 | shyam_k` | where to set the wpa key for the wireless connection? |
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| 10:43.47 | shyam_k` | like the one i see on network-admin seems to be for WEP.. |
| 10:44.21 | shyam_k` | and in the router config, i have disbaled wep but have a wpa-pre shared key |
| 10:44.52 | Ulysse_ | give some specs shy! |
| 10:44.56 | Ulysse_ | which routeur? |
| 10:45.10 | Ulysse_ | wich OSES ARE YOU USING? |
| 10:45.19 | Ulysse_ | SORRY NO MMEANS TO SHOUT §§ |
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| 10:45.25 | Ulysse_ | damned keyboard |
| 10:45.30 | PiousMinion | shyam_k`: do you have "wpa-supplicant" installed? |
| 10:45.49 | xoz | shyam_k`: man wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 10:45.56 | diclev | Hello people. I have one problem: since today's turning on my comp there is all the sound as a "crack" from PC speaker, that is my driver redirects all sounds to PC speaker but not to line out (?).I've tried change in settings device out to "Intel ICH5", but there is sound only in totem and test, no in other apps. And more there is option "pcsp (Alsa mixer)". What must I to do to resolve this problem? Sound card C-Media, Gnome, Lenny Stable |
| 10:46.00 | shyam_k` | yeah just did mann thanks.. |
| 10:46.04 | internat1 | quick bash question for anyone who can help.. i have a script that returns a crap load of lines, whats the easiest way just to return the first line? |
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| 10:46.23 | shyam_k` | but the thing is that even if i set the router to open network, iwlist scan says no scan results. |
| 10:46.30 | shyam_k` | does that indicate to a router problem? |
| 10:46.54 | Mal3ko | KineticBug: which option at startup? im in the netinstall now |
| 10:46.58 | Ulysse_ | do you have a visible SSID? |
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| 10:47.02 | Chousuke | internat1: head -n 1 |
| 10:47.14 | KineticBug | Just run the installer, it gives you the option to not install gnome GUI at one of the screens |
| 10:47.24 | shyam_k` | Ulysse_: iwlist scan now shows nothing. but it was working yesturday |
| 10:47.28 | internat1 | ta. i knew it was going to be simple, i just couldnt remember what |
| 10:48.06 | shyam_k` | i have this doubt, whatever be the system network-admin config, or wpa password, iwlist scan should give the ssid anyway right? |
| 10:48.41 | Ulysse_ | well i depends on the configuration of the rouetuer! |
| 10:48.51 | Ulysse_ | wghat I would do to isolate the problme! |
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| 10:49.04 | PiousMinion | shyam_k`: I think you are right. Do you not have another wireless client/pc to test? |
| 10:49.04 | Ulysse_ | I would try first to set a simple wep key (just for test) |
| 10:49.26 | Ulysse_ | we need to isolate the differents factors that can cause the problem ^^ |
| 10:49.48 | shyam_k` | Ulysse_: am testing with complete open(may be for the moment i support free wifi campaing..atleast untill neighbour buys a wifi card:) ) |
| 10:52.30 | Ulysse_ | ha ah ^^ ok! |
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| 10:52.30 | Ulysse_ | so it rather a config for your computer. |
| 10:52.30 | Ulysse_ | wich OS are you running? |
| 10:52.30 | Ulysse_ | wich version? |
| 10:52.30 | shyam_k` | gnewsense;-) |
| 10:52.30 | shyam_k` | (ubuntu 8.04) modelled (Don't kill me!) |
| 10:52.30 | nareshov | .kill shyam_k` |
| 10:52.30 | nareshov | !gnewsense |
| 10:52.30 | shyam_k` | wants gnewsense to be modelled on debian.. |
| 10:52.31 | Ulysse_ | okay shy I retreive some intel about this OS! |
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| 10:52.32 | shyam_k` | Ulysse_: so now again wifi configured to open, i'll come in a moment after a router restart. |
| 10:53.08 | man_in_shack | ok, no, i don't have my cross-compiling-to-ix86 set up :( |
| 10:53.48 | Ulysse_ | okay shy .. we are standind by and waiting for your return !! |
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| 10:56.40 | bullgard4 | The driver sr_mod is installed (as a module). Why is there no driver cdrom.o? (see http://tldp.org/HOWTO/SCSI-2.4-HOWTO/sr.html) |
| 10:56.51 | Ulysse_ | re-shy ;-) |
| 10:56.56 | shyam_k` | now after reboot too the router configure interface says the network is configured to open.. so it seems ok there but still iwlist scan gives me no scan result.. |
| 10:57.07 | Ulysse_ | can you give me wich version of gnewsense you are running! |
| 10:57.14 | shyam_k` | deltah |
| 10:57.24 | Ulysse_ | 2.6.28-1 |
| 10:57.26 | Ulysse_ | ? |
| 10:57.39 | shyam_k` | ah its aligunduz.org/gnewsense kernel;-) |
| 10:57.52 | shyam_k` | linuxlibre 2.6.28 yep |
| 10:57.57 | Ulysse_ | a ok! |
| 10:58.01 | Ulysse_ | i'll tell you why! |
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| 10:58.24 | Ulysse_ | i have recentlmy recompile all the stuff because the same probleme happen to me! |
| 10:58.25 | diclev | Hello people 2nd time. I have one problem: since today's turning on my comp there is all the sound as a "crack" from PC speaker, that is my driver redirects all sounds to PC speaker but not to line out (?).I've tried change in settings device out to "Intel ICH5", but there is sound only in totem and test, no in other apps. And more there is option "pcsp (Alsa mixer)". What must I to do to resolve this problem? Sound card C-Media, Gnome, Lenny Stable |
| 10:58.26 | shyam_k` | ath5k is the driver.. |
| 10:58.32 | solars | hey, does anyone know something about bugs in unstable regarding bluetooth connections? I'm getting a filedescriptor invalid problem when trying to use gammu |
| 10:58.34 | shyam_k` | oh ic.. |
| 10:58.41 | Ulysse_ | I was cutt off the wifi AND the rj45 network! |
| 10:59.00 | Ulysse_ | since I loaded the very last version of the kernel ! |
| 10:59.06 | Ulysse_ | the problem fix itself! |
| 10:59.21 | shyam_k` | ic.. mine is atheros ar242x card which seems to be liberated just a while ago, and this linuxlibre kernel does include these liberated ath5k drivers.. |
| 10:59.32 | Ulysse_ | aaaaaaa |
| 10:59.44 | Ulysse_ | i have heard about this !!!!! |
| 10:59.54 | shyam_k` | i was waiting forthis!!:) |
| 11:00.28 | man_in_shack | are there instructions anywhere for building i386 kernel packages on amd64 host? |
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| 11:00.48 | Ulysse_ | i think i saw a link on the net fixing the probleme! |
| 11:00.56 | shyam_k` | http://aligunduz.org/gNewSense/ thats the stuff am having.. |
| 11:00.59 | shyam_k` | ic.. |
| 11:01.11 | D4T | Am i right in assuming that a CONFIG_SOUND=m means to build as a kernel module? |
| 11:01.26 | Ulysse_ | mine was rather a personal webpages where a french guy found a turnaround the probleme! |
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| 11:01.43 | Ulysse_ | gimmee 5 minutes to search it! |
| 11:01.51 | shyam_k` | oh ic.. so it could stil be the driver problem?! ok /me too searches. |
| 11:01.52 | adb | D4T: sure |
| 11:02.00 | Internat | bash question take two.. If i have a directory "/home/user/dir spaces/folder/random" and i have the "random" and the "/home/user/dir spaces/" part.. whats the best way to return the "folder" part? |
| 11:02.19 | cncfanatics | Hello everyone, I'm having problems to get multiple audio streams to play at once, can only ever hear one of them :( |
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| 11:03.42 | cncfanatics | anyone knows what the usual causes for that are ? |
| 11:03.42 | jrm` | installing a home web server box, should I preferably stay with etch or move to lenny ? |
| 11:03.51 | themill | Internat: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/string-manipulation.html but it might just be easier to use sed for that. |
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| 11:05.29 | adb | jrm`: lenny is last stable |
| 11:05.36 | man_in_shack | ah, i found some instructions/mailing-list log that seems to do it |
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| 11:06.01 | jrm` | thanks adb |
| 11:06.31 | adb | np |
| 11:06.38 | dacs | Is there is gimpshop pkg for lenny |
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| 11:07.37 | liable | !info gimpshop lenny |
| 11:08.25 | liable | 20:08 <dpkg> Package 'gimpshop' does not exist. |
| 11:10.43 | dacs | liable: what shall i do |
| 11:11.19 | liable | use the ordinary interface for gimp? |
| 11:12.06 | simonrvn | dacs: gimpshop is a build on your own/install theirs deal. and non-free. |
| 11:12.13 | dacs | not able to coop |
| 11:12.44 | simonrvn | "cope" maybe? learn it, or use something else. simple. |
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| 11:15.46 | Ulysse_ | by @ll! |
| 11:15.46 | Ulysse_ | bye @ll |
| 11:16.01 | Ulysse_ | i'll kick arouhd some others times ;-) |
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| 11:18.27 | D4T | which arch should I be using for quad core xeon? ia64? |
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| 11:20.08 | Adrian` | !tell D4T ia64 |
| 11:20.18 | D4T | cool ty |
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| 11:21.12 | Adrian` | heh dunno what i was thinking |
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| 11:22.42 | Adrian` | but yeah ia64 |
| 11:22.42 | iamjay | hey hmmm. there's no backport for awesome available right? |
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| 11:23.43 | khussein78 | hi |
| 11:24.10 | ma3x | which debian version should i download for HP ML310 G1? i386? |
| 11:24.28 | khussein78 | i want to use grep command with -f option but it did not work |
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| 11:25.14 | khussein78 | i used grep -f file1 file2 where file1 contain patterns each word per line |
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| 11:28.50 | stoffell_w | ma3x, yes |
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| 11:29.13 | jelly | D4T: amd64 or i386 |
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| 11:29.41 | D4T | huh? why did someone else recommend ia64? Now im confused :P |
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| 11:29.49 | jelly | Adrian`: /msg dpkg ia64 |
| 11:29.57 | jelly | D4T: they told you wrong. |
| 11:30.09 | D4T | lol ok |
| 11:30.16 | stoffell_w | D4T, and jelly is correct |
| 11:30.33 | D4T | so its the amd64 package even though its a quad core intel xeon? I think I can see a wikipedia session coming on! |
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| 11:30.40 | jelly | D4T: yes. |
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| 11:30.46 | themill | they *didn't* recommend ia64... the ia64 factoid says "if it's xeon then it's NOT ia64" |
| 11:30.47 | D4T | k ty very much |
| 11:30.56 | themill | dpkg: tell D4T about why amd64 |
| 11:31.02 | jelly | D4T: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 11:31.49 | D4T | cool, most helpful :) |
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| 11:32.46 | segfault- | i'm bored |
| 11:32.55 | nareshov | !bored |
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| 11:33.50 | themill | sends segfault- SIGSEGV to perk him up a bit |
| 11:34.23 | nareshov | !botsnack |
| 11:34.23 | dpkg | aw, gee, nareshov |
| 11:34.34 | segfault- | !lol nareshov |
| 11:34.46 | segfault- | !tell nareshov about lol |
| 11:35.34 | segfault- | dpkg doesn't like you :P |
| 11:35.34 | dpkg | segfault-: i haven't a clue |
| 11:35.42 | segfault- | dpkg o_0 |
| 11:35.43 | dpkg | segfault-: i don't know |
| 11:35.47 | segfault- | dpkg :D |
| 11:35.47 | dpkg | d is, like, a systems programming language. Its focus is on combining the power and high performance of C and C++ with the programmer productivity of modern languages like Ruby and Python. Special attention is given to the needs of quality assurance, documentation, management, portability and reliability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_%28programming_language%29, or uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 11:35.52 | segfault- | rofl |
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| 11:35.56 | rofl | yes? |
| 11:36.05 | segfault- | HAHAHHAAHHAHA |
| 11:36.13 | segfault- | is dying laughing to death * |
| 11:36.33 | themill | sends segfault- to play with the bot in a /msg |
| 11:36.59 | segfault- | themill, that wasn't intentional first :D |
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| 11:37.02 | man_in_shack | YAY |
| 11:37.04 | StarkD | nothing happens when I plug-in a projector and restart X. Do I have to modify xorg.conf? |
| 11:37.05 | man_in_shack | damn |
| 11:37.08 | man_in_shack | spoke too soon |
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| 11:39.54 | omid8bimo | hey guys, i'm still getting error while trying to install AdobeAIR.bin on my 64bit lenny! error is this "Error loading the runtime (libnss3.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64)" |
| 11:40.02 | omid8bimo | any luck? |
| 11:41.09 | segfault- | omid8bimo, http://www.google.fr/search?q=libnss3.so%3A+wrong+ELF+class%3A+ELFCLASS64&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:fr:official&client=firefox-a |
| 11:41.18 | jelly | omid8bimo: did you ask Adobe whether they supported that software on 32bit debian? |
| 11:41.54 | segfault- | 4 messages - Dernier message : 17 sep 2008 |
| 11:41.54 | segfault- | Error loading the runtime (libnss3.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64) ... there is no 32bits version of libnss3.so in Debian amd64: ... |
| 11:42.09 | segfault- | you need to register in their forums i guess |
| 11:42.20 | segfault- | (to access that thread) |
| 11:42.55 | omid8bimo | jelly: hey dude, yeah, there is no real 64bit support and it will install on some 64 distros like my old ubuntu 8.10 |
| 11:43.07 | man_in_shack | i think i finally got this cross-compiling crap working |
| 11:43.13 | jelly | segfault-: it's just some dumb javascript; elinks shows the page (well, I tried the page cache) fine |
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| 11:43.37 | segfault- | k |
| 11:43.44 | omid8bimo | segfault-: thanks dude. i'm checking the result |
| 11:43.56 | jelly | omid8bimo: and did you look in Debian for 32bit libnss3.so, with apt-file like you were told yesterday? |
| 11:44.03 | segfault- | omid8bimo, have you heard of boolean operators before ? |
| 11:44.14 | Kuifje111 | hello all. |
| 11:44.24 | segfault- | you know, "AND OR ELSE IF LIKE" and so on |
| 11:44.28 | Kuifje111 | i am searching for a bandwidth monitor, which would you recommend? |
| 11:44.36 | segfault- | Kuifje111, cacti |
| 11:44.45 | Kuifje111 | oh and, it has to be command line |
| 11:44.56 | omid8bimo | jelly: yeah but it will confilict with current 64bit libness3 |
| 11:45.03 | Kuifje111 | or at least X less |
| 11:45.05 | omid8bimo | segfault-: no dude. what's that? |
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| 11:45.21 | omid8bimo | segfault-: oh |
| 11:45.23 | omid8bimo | segfault-: yeah yeah |
| 11:45.29 | jelly | omid8bimo: then you're doing it wrong |
| 11:45.33 | segfault- | omid8bimo, use them on google. |
| 11:45.38 | omid8bimo | segfault-: you meant search booleans |
| 11:45.39 | Kuifje111 | segfault-, looks nice, thanks for the tip |
| 11:45.45 | jelly | omid8bimo: use a chroot. |
| 11:46.31 | segfault- | omid8bimo, i meant boolean operators |
| 11:47.04 | omid8bimo | segfault-: yeah got it |
| 11:47.10 | omid8bimo | jelly: let me try again |
| 11:47.13 | segfault- | omid8bimo, but in your case |
| 11:47.21 | segfault- | i just did a copy paste |
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| 11:47.27 | segfault- | "libnss3.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" |
| 11:47.30 | segfault- | in google |
| 11:47.33 | segfault- | and then BLAM |
| 11:47.38 | segfault- | first link, first page. |
| 11:48.21 | jelly | judd: versions ia32-libs-libnss3 --arch amd64 |
| 11:48.21 | judd | jelly: ia32-libs-libnss3 -- lenny-multimedia: 3.12.0-0.1 sid-multimedia: 3.12.0-0.1 |
| 11:48.29 | omid8bimo | segfault-: i can't get the first link open |
| 11:48.35 | jelly | omid8bimo: I bet installing that one would help. |
| 11:48.43 | omid8bimo | segfault-: needs permission |
| 11:48.51 | jelly | !tell omid8bimo -about dmm |
| 11:48.58 | omid8bimo | jelly: cool.. let me do that |
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| 11:49.25 | jelly | your google-fu is weak; that was 2 minutes of browsing |
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| 11:50.32 | jpinx | I am using lxde on lenny and I can't find the file where programmes are listed to start automatically on login/startx They aren't in ~/.local Anyone know where? |
| 11:51.27 | omid8bimo | jelly: there is no such package! |
| 11:51.57 | man_in_shack | ok, no, not working |
| 11:52.01 | man_in_shack | grumbles |
| 11:53.14 | man_in_shack | last resort before i just quit and compile on the damned laptop again |
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| 11:54.25 | omid8bimo | donwloading from this link http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/package/ia32-libs-libnss3.php |
| 11:55.09 | jpinx | found it in ~/.config/autostart |
| 11:55.31 | yure | Hi! We are using a proprietary software on debian requiring libstdc++.so.6.0.10. I linked libstdc++.so.6 to libstdc++.so.6.0.10, but it causes occasional segfaults. Can I simply copy the correct version from somewhere else and use it here? What would be the proper way to get this version to work? Thanks! |
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| 11:58.28 | themill | yure, libstdc++.so.6.0.10 is in the libstdc++6 package in lenny. |
| 11:58.37 | voraistos | Hey, I just installed lenny... things look awesome, until I apt-get eclipse |
| 11:58.54 | themill | voraistos: eclipse in debian is a mess at the moment. |
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| 11:59.01 | voraistos | I see that |
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| 11:59.12 | voraistos | it shouldn't have been released then |
| 11:59.27 | themill | voraistos: it works fine, as long as you want the old version. |
| 11:59.49 | voraistos | hmm lenny is supposed to be stable |
| 12:00.09 | themill | it is... and eclipse works fine as long as you want the old version... |
| 12:00.15 | man_in_shack | "supposed to be"? |
| 12:00.22 | voraistos | well yeah |
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| 12:00.43 | man_in_shack | voraistos, make sure your sources.list is correct |
| 12:00.46 | voraistos | i mean i install eclipse, try to run it and bham, big error message, Jvm crashes |
| 12:01.04 | voraistos | haven't touched the repos yet |
| 12:01.24 | man_in_shack | which jvm is it using? |
| 12:01.39 | voraistos | default one. |
| 12:01.44 | voraistos | gcj |
| 12:02.03 | voraistos | that's a very very very fresh install |
| 12:02.04 | man_in_shack | i'd suggest trying sun jvm or openjdk |
| 12:02.12 | man_in_shack | voraistos, it's a very very very fresh stable |
| 12:02.17 | voraistos | lol |
| 12:02.18 | themill | voraistos: eclipse tends to be happier with the sun jdk or open jdk, although I know many people get it to work quite happily with gcjj too. |
| 12:02.18 | man_in_shack | unstable is much fresher |
| 12:02.46 | man_in_shack | i had LOTS and LOTS of trouble with gcj + eclipse long before lenny was released |
| 12:02.58 | man_in_shack | so i switched to jvm |
| 12:03.02 | man_in_shack | *sun jvm |
| 12:03.11 | themill | dpkg: tell voraistos about install java |
| 12:03.14 | voraistos | it'd be nice to modify the packages then |
| 12:03.24 | voraistos | make sure it requires the sun java |
| 12:03.31 | man_in_shack | voraistos, no |
| 12:03.45 | voraistos | well, the default stuff plain doesn't work |
| 12:03.46 | man_in_shack | voraistos, it requires some jvm. gcj tends to get installed by default to handle it |
| 12:03.50 | man_in_shack | this is the correct way to do it |
| 12:03.52 | solars | hi, I always have to do a hidd --connect first to use my phone with gammu, shouldn't this be done automatically by default? |
| 12:03.57 | man_in_shack | because in theory, it should work with gcj |
| 12:04.09 | voraistos | it should, but it doesn't ;) |
| 12:04.16 | voraistos | that's my point :D |
| 12:04.16 | themill | voraistos: it doesn't *require* sun java and if it depended on sun java then it couldn't be in debian main either. There are many people who use eclipse with gcj without issues. I have no idea why you are having troubles. |
| 12:04.17 | man_in_shack | now my java is handled by openjdk and i don't use eclipse any more. couldn't be happier ;) |
| 12:04.43 | voraistos | I have no idea why i have troubles either... |
| 12:04.53 | voraistos | I install debian. |
| 12:04.58 | man_in_shack | unfortunately, i didn't have the time to look into why gcj wouldn't work for me. i just switched to openjdk |
| 12:05.07 | man_in_shack | or sun jvm, whichever was easier at the time |
| 12:05.09 | voraistos | first thing I do is apt-get install eclipse |
| 12:05.20 | man_in_shack | voraistos, second thing you do is apt-get install sun-java-jdk |
| 12:05.31 | man_in_shack | or openjdk whatever |
| 12:05.38 | voraistos | humm yes but it shouldn't be like that ;) |
| 12:06.02 | man_in_shack | voraistos, i don't see why not. package manager says "you need a jvm" so it selects one for you |
| 12:06.10 | themill | voraistos: please don't whinge to us. I can't be bothered listening to it. Please file bugs and help work out why you're having trouble. |
| 12:06.14 | man_in_shack | complain to gcj devs if it doesn't work for you |
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| 12:06.34 | voraistos | yes, but since eclipse doesn't work with any jvm, package manager should know "not any jvm" |
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| 12:06.48 | man_in_shack | when i was trying to get eclipse + gcj working nice, gcj only supported java 1.4 stuff, and uni required 1.5 stuff |
| 12:07.02 | themill | voraistos: it does usually work with any jvm. . There are many people who use eclipse with gcj without issues. I have no idea why you are having troubles. |
| 12:07.10 | man_in_shack | voraistos, package manager doesn't know "it won't work with gcj on this exact configuration" |
| 12:07.24 | m_dige | Hi guys. having problems with sun-java6 in firefox since sun-java 6 update 12. Anyone else experiencing problems? |
| 12:07.46 | m_dige | firefox stalls complete when a website uses java. |
| 12:07.51 | voraistos | I don't really care about java, I use eclipse for php... I just thought it's weird, I install debian, install a package, try to launch it, and I get an error message with a white cross in a red circle like on windows..... |
| 12:08.00 | man_in_shack | ok, wtf |
| 12:08.07 | man_in_shack | just use anjuta or something |
| 12:08.43 | voraistos | I use some zend stuff to go with eclipse :) |
| 12:09.21 | themill | voraistos: yeah, we've caught up with the "it didn't work for me" bit. Now are you interested in fixing it or would you rather go and rant in #flood? |
| 12:09.53 | voraistos | I don't know how to fix it;) all I'm saying is that "default" doesn't work. |
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| 12:10.08 | voraistos | installing another jvm isn't a real fix |
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| 12:10.30 | themill | gives up |
| 12:10.33 | d3v1ous_ | ] |
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| 12:11.47 | man_in_shack | voraistos, yes it is |
| 12:12.15 | man_in_shack | "hmm, it doesn't work in one jvm, but others are provided ... i'll use another jvm" |
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| 12:12.39 | man_in_shack | voraistos, and you should NOT be using a java-based IDE solely for php coding |
| 12:12.45 | man_in_shack | that's completely counter-productive |
| 12:13.38 | voraistos | erm... I know what I'm doing, thanks. I'll just install the zend packages, no hustle there. |
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| 12:14.23 | man_in_shack | is there openjdk in lenny at all? |
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| 12:21.43 | m_dige | is openjdk better than sun's. I thought openjdk was just an open source edition of sun's jdk. But I might be wrong |
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| 12:25.00 | mns | m_dige: OpenJDK is the open source version of Sun's JDK. Sun now takes the OpenJDK source, does some branding and adds some other stuff that they were not able to open source earlier, and releases it as Sun JDK. |
| 12:26.15 | mns | Anyone know of any open source tools for monitoring SAN storage devices like EMC Clariion, etc ? |
| 12:26.50 | m_dige | mns: thanks for clarifying:) |
| 12:27.14 | mns | m_dige: no problems. Its the same they do with OpenOffice and StarOffice :) |
| 12:27.38 | m_dige | mns: okay:-) |
| 12:28.22 | segfault- | mns, don't buy closed source storage. |
| 12:28.25 | segfault- | :D |
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| 12:29.23 | mns | segfault-: :) What open source storage is there ? |
| 12:29.39 | segfault- | mns, llinux+samba ? :D |
| 12:29.46 | segfault- | -l |
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| 12:31.34 | mns | :) would work for me, but I believe the people I interviewed with wanted more of an "enterprise solution" ... |
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| 12:32.37 | cast | then contact an enterprise solution provider! |
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| 12:33.16 | jelly | segfault-: what open source, commercially supported SAN solution is there? |
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| 12:38.48 | zhangweiwu | Hello. My ISP randomly redirect user to their advertisement page (DNS hijiack). I just composed a long article and hit "submit", and gets redirected to advertisement, submitted message is gone. how can I recover it? |
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| 12:39.24 | liable | change isp |
| 12:39.38 | zhangweiwu | Hit "back" would get an empty form from Firefox becuase javascript empty the from onload |
| 12:39.44 | swordz | Hi, I'm currently trying to install debian from a usb stick. I get to the installer fine |
| 12:39.46 | liable | zhangweiwu: what does this have to do with debian? |
| 12:39.58 | zhangweiwu | liable: change ISP? speak this to a Chinese. they laugh at you. it's national monoplay business here. |
| 12:40.12 | swordz | However, it then asks for a cd-drive (which is missing), I assume to find the iso image |
| 12:40.27 | OpenTokix | zhangweiwu: opendns? |
| 12:40.31 | segfault- | jelly; let's say your diplomas ? :D |
| 12:40.32 | kc | hi, I am having a problem with my debian installation (suspend to ram does not work). I found the problem being relevant to a recent servicing of my laptop where they updated my BIOS. The new BIOS seems to take over AHCI and does not let the kernel do that. Can I somehow work around this issue with debian? |
| 12:40.39 | zhangweiwu | zhangweiwu: well, because I am using debian. I guess should ask firefox. but just typed #debain 'cos the people here are helpful. If you don't like I jump to firefox. |
| 12:40.39 | swordz | It asks me to select the appropriate module eventually, but how do I know which is my usb drive? |
| 12:41.07 | zhangweiwu | OpenTokix: good idea, but how can I recover the article I just wrote?.. em. |
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| 12:41.26 | OpenTokix | zhangweiwu: I think your article is long gone, but for future reference, write it in texteditor and paste into form. |
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| 12:41.30 | gentlyninja | zhangweiwu, if it is not cached/logged it's gone |
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| 12:41.52 | zhangweiwu | gentlyninja: if I dump '/dev/mem' & grep? |
| 12:42.25 | segfault- | jelly (and out of joke, many exist, use google.) |
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| 12:43.05 | man_in_shack | grumbles |
| 12:43.09 | OpenTokix | zhangweiwu: I would dig around my firefox cache |
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| 12:43.46 | jelly | segfault-: I just wanted to counter the dumb <segfault-> mns, don't buy closed source storage. |
| 12:44.24 | segfault- | jelly, it's not dumb, if a company knows who they hire, they should be expecting someone who can do what he claim. |
| 12:44.38 | segfault- | else it's a screwed up company. |
| 12:44.56 | jelly | segfault-: it's dumb if there is no such thing |
| 12:45.08 | jelly | er, no alternative* |
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| 12:45.39 | segfault- | jelly, afaik, samba is on the market for quite a long time |
| 12:45.53 | segfault- | and pretty much easy to master |
| 12:46.12 | jelly | segfault-: samba is NAS, and the user has SAN |
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| 12:46.25 | jelly | different markets, different goals |
| 12:46.41 | man_in_shack | i can't get my i383 kernel package compiled on amd64 |
| 12:46.50 | abrotman | yay i383! |
| 12:46.54 | segfault- | most crap sell as san are samba box on proprietary firmwares |
| 12:47.02 | jelly | segfault-: for decent SAN storage, you basically have 3-5 vendors and they're all proprietary |
| 12:47.16 | stew | segfault-: what is an exmaple of a SAN which is a samba box? |
| 12:47.19 | abrotman | segfault-: you mean NAS, not SAN |
| 12:47.25 | abrotman | huge difference |
| 12:47.30 | man_in_shack | i386, whatever |
| 12:47.36 | segfault- | abrotman, no. |
| 12:47.37 | stew | man_in_shack: are you using a chroot? |
| 12:47.45 | man_in_shack | stew, i'm trying to avoid it |
| 12:47.45 | abrotman | segfault-: yes, you do |
| 12:48.48 | man_in_shack | the problem is when it builds kernel-headers, it uses HOSTCC for the scripts |
| 12:48.48 | segfault- | i mean resellers sell you crap as SAN abusing the term, get it ? |
| 12:48.48 | man_in_shack | the scripts then get built as x86_64, and installed in to kernel-headers |
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| 12:48.48 | man_in_shack | i can't make it use gcc -m32 for this |
| 12:48.48 | stew | segfault-: can you give us an example? |
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| 12:49.11 | segfault- | stew, buffalo. |
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| 12:50.38 | stew | segfault-: http://www.buffalotech.com ? |
| 12:50.47 | jelly | mns: but anyway, asking the vendor for management tools is the correct way to go; if open source tools exist, they'll either be reverse engineered or based on vendors open API (or both) |
| 12:50.48 | abrotman | you mean .. the company that sells NAS boxes ? |
| 12:51.10 | segfault- | stew, yep. |
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| 12:51.36 | abrotman | segfault-: what do you think a SAN is? |
| 12:51.43 | stew | segfault-: i'm having trouble finding anything labelled as SAN on their site |
| 12:51.46 | stew | segfault-: just NAS |
| 12:52.17 | netcrash | Hi need help on a snmp problem, does anyone know where I can direct ? |
| 12:52.21 | stew | segfault-: i find one document that labells SAN as being an alternative to NAS |
| 12:52.22 | segfault- | Storage Area Networker, such as ibm products for example (legato networker etc) |
| 12:53.10 | abrotman | segfault-: so where does buffalo sell a SAN? |
| 12:53.18 | segfault- | stew, this particular company have the habit of confusing people, in my previous job, the IT guy who didn't know the difference got it sell to him as a SAN where it was a NAS |
| 12:53.22 | abrotman | netcrash: just ask your real questoin |
| 12:53.43 | abrotman | thinks segfault- just proved himself wrong ... |
| 12:53.57 | segfault- | thinks he doesn't give a fuck :D |
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| 12:54.12 | netcrash | I'm querying a snmp server for that that should be return from a script and I get these answer "UCD-SNMP-MIB::ucdavis.56.1.1 = INTEGER: 1 |
| 12:54.12 | netcrash | UCD-SNMP-MIB::ucdavis.56.1.1 = INTEGER: 1 |
| 12:54.12 | netcrash | Error: OID not increasing: UCD-SNMP-MIB::ucdavis.56.1.1 >= UCD-SNMP-MIB::ucdavis.56.1.1" any tips ? |
| 12:54.34 | netcrash | http://pastebin.com/m6c72b84a |
| 12:55.07 | netcrash | that's the code , and I'm using in snmpd.conf the string "pass .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.56 /usr/local/bin/pop3Login" |
| 12:55.24 | segfault- | netcrash, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/snmpwalk-error-oid-not-increasing-159725/ |
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| 12:57.17 | netcrash | well, I don't understand why but it keeps on looping the value 1 |
| 12:57.43 | m_dige | I just installed openjdk to circumvent problem with sun-java6. The openjdk seems to work correctly but my web bank now displays java not installed.... |
| 12:57.54 | segfault- | netcrash, try chaning the value |
| 12:58.00 | segfault- | +g |
| 12:58.13 | abrotman | m_dige: you'll need some sort of browser plugin |
| 12:58.13 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 12:58.23 | abrotman | m_dige: which version of debian? |
| 12:58.38 | man_in_shack | if i can get make-kpkg to run "make ARCH=i386 HOSTCC='gcc -m32'", that will fix it |
| 12:59.01 | netcrash | segfault-: it allways returns the first value that is printed on query |
| 12:59.07 | netcrash | I'm doing something wrong |
| 12:59.23 | segfault- | netcrash, prolly, unsure what, i'm onto a busybox issue there :P |
| 12:59.26 | m_dige | abrotman: I installed the gcjicedtea plugin |
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| 12:59.39 | abrotman | m_dige: does "about:plugins" show it? |
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| 12:59.50 | m_dige | abrotman: Yes it does |
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| 13:00.38 | abrotman | m_dige: it's entirely possible your banking site is looking for a specific string from java |
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| 13:01.23 | m_dige | abrotman: Yeah I figured so. Typical.... and sun-jre simply stalls my browser. |
| 13:01.47 | m_dige | abrotman: this is not exactly a win-win situation |
| 13:02.07 | Adrian` | is there a way to estimate the time a file transfer will take with rsync? |
| 13:02.11 | piper69 | i have a usb stick "iocell" when i plug it in M$ it get assigned a CD-drive letter, then a drive letter! however i don't like thier menu and i would like to erase it and instead of 2 partition to just be one |
| 13:02.18 | m_dige | abrotman: Guess I'll just have to wait for sun to fix the jre |
| 13:02.32 | piper69 | but i am not able to do it in windows... can i do it in lenny |
| 13:02.53 | piper69 | the E:\ is CDFS |
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| 13:05.35 | jpinx | m_dige: I have had similar problems with banks and solved it with the standard sun jre and a uaer_agent change |
| 13:05.54 | jpinx | m_dige: banks throw wrong error messages all the time |
| 13:05.57 | abrotman | m_dige: how did you install it ? |
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| 13:06.22 | abrotman | Adrian`: thought the man page mentioned that ... |
| 13:06.50 | m_dige | abrotman: I have manually installed firefox from source. Sun-java6-jre has just been installed using aptitude |
| 13:07.07 | Adrian` | abrotman, it's a big man page, i'm looking htough it now |
| 13:07.37 | abrotman | m_dige: have you tried iceweasel? |
| 13:07.49 | m_dige | Then i manually create a symlink in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ to the libjava.so under /usr/lib/jvm/sun-java6/...... and so forth |
| 13:07.51 | abrotman | Adrian`: --progress it would seem |
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| 13:08.00 | hark | m_dige: you need the plugin |
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| 13:08.25 | m_dige | hark: Also tryed with the plugin - no luck |
| 13:08.35 | Adrian` | thank you |
| 13:08.54 | m_dige | abrotman: I have not tried iceweasel for this issue no. But used to run iceweasel in the past |
| 13:09.10 | hark | m_dige: how about a link to the login? |
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| 13:09.35 | m_dige | hark: http://www.shb.dk/webbank/ |
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| 13:10.14 | abrotman | wouldn't recognize an error on that page even if it threw one |
| 13:10.25 | jpinx | neither |
| 13:10.37 | jpinx | but it loaded without errors |
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| 13:12.26 | Adrian` | usb is just so slow =( |
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| 13:13.20 | segfault- | adrian' can't agree more |
| 13:13.35 | segfault- | i've started copying a 20gig backup on an external drive.. |
| 13:13.41 | segfault- | it's still on progress .. |
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| 13:14.05 | Adrian` | I'm copying my video folder to back up it's more like 172gigs |
| 13:14.29 | Adrian` | going at about an average of 4.5MB/s |
| 13:14.44 | abrotman | Adrian`: might help if both the hub and the device were usb2 |
| 13:14.49 | jelly | segfault-: if you had a SAN it would be already finished! |
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| 13:14.52 | jelly | hides |
| 13:14.53 | Adrian` | they are |
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| 13:15.08 | segfault- | jelly if i had a gigabirt controller :) |
| 13:15.15 | abrotman | oh right, it's been so long .. usb1 was 1.2Mb right ? |
| 13:15.21 | segfault- | -r |
| 13:15.27 | Adrian` | something like that |
| 13:15.28 | YAA1 | What UNIT is the "TIME" field in the "top" tool ? to be more specific... I found a process that shows a time of 24:07 - what does that mean ? 24h 7sec of cpu time used or maybe 24.7 secs cpu time used? I was not able to find this information in any man page of it. Anybody can point me to a doc/man page or have a reliable explaination ? |
| 13:15.29 | d-b | 1.1 ? |
| 13:15.42 | abrotman | d-b: bad enough to suck :) |
| 13:15.44 | d-b | 11mb |
| 13:15.47 | d-b | no... |
| 13:15.49 | jelly | segfault-: FC cards start at 4Gbps these days |
| 13:15.55 | Adrian` | I've got over 12MBs before, i dunno what the bottle neck is |
| 13:16.10 | segfault- | jelly i'm not the chief of the service where i work, tell him that :) |
| 13:16.31 | m_dige | well in my browser the plugin gets loaded etc but the page displays: "Din browser understøtter ikke Java." which is danish for your browser does not support java |
| 13:16.33 | piper69 | can someone please help me formating this USB stick |
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| 13:16.41 | piper69 | its not letting me do it at all |
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| 13:16.56 | netcrash | leaving , after better reading the man found the problem |
| 13:16.58 | ethanol | usb > you |
| 13:16.59 | Adrian` | what are you trying to format it to? |
| 13:16.59 | d-b | umount , fdisk ? |
| 13:17.13 | abrotman | piper69: how is it partitioned? and what commands are youusing? |
| 13:17.28 | segfault- | piper69, cfdisk/fdisk, remove partition, write changes |
| 13:18.40 | piper69 | abrotman: i bought it new from fyrs , it is 8GB, when i plug it in windows , i will see partition E: and G:. the E: is like a cdrom and i can't erase it or format it |
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| 13:19.04 | YAA1 | Is there a Way to find out the AGE (or Date of Birth) of a process on Linux ???? |
| 13:19.07 | abrotman | piper69: if you do an `fdisk -l /dev/<device>` .. what does it show .. use a pastebin |
| 13:19.39 | piper69 | abrotman: give me a 1 min please |
| 13:20.06 | segfault- | YAA1, ps uxw |
| 13:20.17 | segfault- | YAA1, look at START column |
| 13:20.34 | segfault- | example : |
| 13:20.35 | segfault- | USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND |
| 13:20.35 | segfault- | root 1 0.0 0.1 1844 624 ? Ss 09:17 0:01 init [2] |
| 13:20.35 | segfault- | root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 09:17 0:00 [kthreadd] |
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| 13:20.41 | nareshov | lol |
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| 13:20.44 | Adrian` | oh noes |
| 13:20.58 | piper69 | oh dude you are gonna get it from abrotman |
| 13:21.09 | nareshov | me? |
| 13:21.11 | abrotman | segfault-: read the damn topic |
| 13:21.15 | nareshov | o |
| 13:21.23 | abrotman | YAA1: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 13:21.24 | piper69 | ^^ @ segfault- |
| 13:21.32 | nareshov | segfault-: ^ |
| 13:21.34 | segfault- | abrotman, see what i got in the middle of my hands ? |
| 13:21.35 | YAA1 | segfault-: Thanks! |
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| 13:21.42 | abrotman | segfault-: your brains? |
| 13:21.50 | YAA1 | abrotman: debian 4.0 stable and deb 5.0 stable |
| 13:22.01 | piper69 | lol at abrotman |
| 13:22.25 | segfault- | abrotman, no, just a keyboard |
| 13:22.28 | segfault- | :D |
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| 13:22.51 | segfault- | and anyway if you're unhappy, just go get a life. |
| 13:23.11 | abrotman | kids ... |
| 13:23.42 | segfault- | yeah for sure kid, i'm probably older than you.. |
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| 13:23.49 | YAA1 | segfault-: another question: that time in your example 09:17 - is that 9mins 17sec or 9.17secs of CPU time used ? |
| 13:24.07 | segfault- | YAA1, nah it's hh:mm |
| 13:24.07 | ShredZ | How do I do an apt-get -b source cups on etch when requiring cups from lenny ? (Test at end of compile fails) |
| 13:24.11 | valdyn | YAA1: 9:17 am |
| 13:24.37 | segfault- | YAA1, cpu is the third column |
| 13:24.40 | valdyn | ShredZ: dont even try |
| 13:24.47 | abrotman | ShredZ: why would you do that? |
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| 13:24.51 | valdyn | ShredZ: why the hell would you need lenny cups? |
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| 13:25.39 | YAA1 | segfault-: you sure hh:mm ??!? you know about a man page or any document that would confirm this ? I would need to "proof" that to someone |
| 13:25.45 | saivin | hi, i'm trying to install adobe flashplugin on lenny using tar.gz file. |
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| 13:25.59 | saivin | its asking for installation path. what should it be? |
| 13:26.01 | segfault- | YAA1, i'm pretty sure since i'm the sysadmin that booted that computer back at that time. |
| 13:26.04 | ShredZ | valdyn, because I require some obscure printer driver |
| 13:26.10 | valdyn | YAA1: why dont you read the top manpage |
| 13:26.16 | saivin | i tried /usr/lib/mozilla, /usr/lib/iceweasel... |
| 13:26.22 | ShredZ | valdyn, better to just use the newer ppd file on the etch cups then ? |
| 13:26.24 | saivin | doesn't work... |
| 13:26.24 | valdyn | ShredZ: that does not imply that you need lenny cups |
| 13:26.29 | valdyn | ShredZ: yes |
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| 13:26.35 | segfault- | YAA1, also, 9 years of linux experience told me i'm not wrong on this one :D (i am maybe sometimes on other subjects) |
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| 13:27.20 | segfault- | the server booted precisely 05h09 ago |
| 13:27.23 | YAA1 | valdyn: I didn't found anything in man top talking about "time units". just that it shows "time". but nothing about if this means hours or minutes or secs |
| 13:27.44 | segfault- | YAA1, time is the execution time of the current process |
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| 13:27.45 | YAA1 | segfault-: so thanks |
| 13:27.46 | adb | saivin: restart iceweasel ? |
| 13:27.55 | segfault- | YAA1, and is not related to START |
| 13:27.58 | saivin | ya.. |
| 13:28.10 | segfault- | (why do you think the god damn column is named start else ?) |
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| 13:29.16 | shafu | How can I see what package contains this command : fuser? |
| 13:29.17 | anders_l | im serching for a update tool that i can run in console. like update-manager any hints? |
| 13:29.23 | YAA1 | segfault-: exactly. the one question was about STARTING DATE, my other question was about how many cpu time a process has "eaten" since start. and therefor I need to know of what unit this "time value" is .. if hh:mm or mm:ss or whatever.. (cpu time, not date of birth) |
| 13:29.25 | d-b | segfault-: is related to end tho |
| 13:29.27 | saivin | adb: followed what the installer told exactly. but its asking for installation directory. don't know what it should be |
| 13:29.33 | valdyn | anders_l: aptitude |
| 13:29.50 | anders_l | valdyn: can i see the cahnges and security fixes ? |
| 13:29.54 | anders_l | changes |
| 13:29.59 | abrotman | apt-listchanges |
| 13:30.09 | valdyn | anders_l: if you install apt-listchanges, yes |
| 13:30.09 | abrotman | shafu: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 13:30.17 | anders_l | valdyn: thanks |
| 13:30.24 | anders_l | ill test it.. |
| 13:30.33 | adb | saivin: /usr/lib/iceweasel its ok |
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| 13:30.52 | hark | m_dige: sorry was away, it works with the icedtea6-plugin here |
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| 13:31.25 | saivin | "Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla):" this is what it says |
| 13:31.37 | saivin | adb: ya i tried /usr/lib/iceweasel/ |
| 13:31.38 | valdyn | YAA1: run glxgears and watch it in top |
| 13:31.43 | gromgull | Is libasound2-plugins broken in unstable? For anyone else? |
| 13:31.46 | saivin | it does not work :( |
| 13:31.46 | abrotman | shafu: psmisc in this case .. `apt-file search bin/fuser` |
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| 13:32.02 | abrotman | gromgull: checked the BTS ? |
| 13:32.11 | adb | saivin: ls /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
| 13:32.15 | m_dige | hark: with the link I provided you? Is does not say: "Din browser understøtter ikke Java. Klik her for hjælp." |
| 13:32.24 | adb | does what ? |
| 13:32.24 | m_dige | Is = It |
| 13:32.29 | abrotman | Din browser?! |
| 13:32.39 | gromgull | abrotman - sorry BTS? I am ignorant :( |
| 13:32.44 | hark | m_dige: i chose english in the menu :) |
| 13:32.50 | abrotman | gromgull: probably shouldn't be running unstable then ... |
| 13:32.54 | abrotman | !tell gromgull about bts |
| 13:33.00 | m_dige | hark: okay:) |
| 13:33.23 | gromgull | ah sorry - bug tracking system :) |
| 13:33.35 | saivin | adb: there is no 'plugins' directory under /usr/lib/iceweasel |
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| 13:33.48 | saivin | shall i create it and try again? |
| 13:33.50 | adb | mkdir |
| 13:33.57 | valdyn | saivin: NO |
| 13:34.04 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.31 | saivin | what the way? |
| 13:34.39 | man_in_shack | FINALLY |
| 13:34.56 | valdyn | saivin: ~/.firefox/plugins is a good place |
| 13:35.12 | man_in_shack | i got a build script that wraps make-kpkg and builds correct architecture for kernel-headers |
| 13:35.43 | m_dige | hark: This is what about:plugins show up: http://rafb.net/p/WD1AO662.html |
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| 13:36.10 | liable | m_dige: to get around the missing kbuild ? |
| 13:36.15 | liable | man_in_shack: ^^ |
| 13:36.21 | m_dige | hark: funny that is seems to be working fine in your browser |
| 13:36.35 | YAA1 | valdyn: and what is that gonna proof ?? |
| 13:36.38 | saivin | valdyn: ok. so adb is technically right but you are saying nay for the same reason as not letting iceweasel auto-update? is it that way? |
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| 13:37.12 | hark | what's the reason for the delay in getting kbuild in sid anyway? |
| 13:37.45 | abrotman | hark: lemmings |
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| 13:37.56 | valdyn | saivin: im saying nay for the reason that you are not supposed to touch places that belong to the package management |
| 13:38.00 | piper69 | abrotman: 'fdisk -l /dev/<device>' i don't know which on |
| 13:38.12 | abrotman | piper69: how do you know which one to format then ? |
| 13:38.19 | liable | hark: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2009/02/msg00567.html |
| 13:38.22 | Adrian` | the 8gig one? |
| 13:38.30 | valdyn | YAA1: the time units |
| 13:38.32 | man_in_shack | liable, no :P |
| 13:38.34 | Adrian` | dmesg |
| 13:38.43 | valdyn | YAA1: you dont even need a stop watch |
| 13:38.45 | man_in_shack | liable, i just have performance issues with the stock debian packages |
| 13:38.46 | SerajewelKS | guess whose network is now blocking IRC. oh, yeah. |
| 13:38.53 | m_dige | piper69: dmesg usually writes out drive ID when inserting an USB Stick |
| 13:38.55 | man_in_shack | *kernel packages |
| 13:38.59 | piper69 | abrotman: i never tried it in linux, i was doing it in windows |
| 13:39.07 | stew | hark: it was in NEW about a month ago but rejected becuase it was not properly licensed, I don't know why kernel team hasn't uploaded a new one, it only needed a one line fix |
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| 13:39.19 | Adrian` | man_in_shack, I agree with you |
| 13:39.24 | stew | hark: chech http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel |
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| 13:39.30 | man_in_shack | it's interesting |
| 13:39.40 | Adrian` | I'm going to be building my own kernel tonight after i install testing |
| 13:39.44 | man_in_shack | cos the system i set up for mum doesn't seem to have performance problems |
| 13:39.50 | man_in_shack | but my own systems all do |
| 13:39.52 | hark | m_dige: here's mine: http://rafb.net/p/paFBmV98.html |
| 13:40.06 | valdyn | man_in_shack: what kind of performance problems? |
| 13:40.10 | man_in_shack | except possibly laptop-as-a-server |
| 13:40.18 | man_in_shack | valdyn, a LOT slower than i think it should be |
| 13:40.27 | valdyn | man_in_shack: WHAT is slower? |
| 13:40.32 | man_in_shack | everything :P |
| 13:40.34 | man_in_shack | it's been a while |
| 13:40.38 | valdyn | man_in_shack: you dont seriously think that this is due to debian kernels |
| 13:40.42 | valdyn | man_in_shack: got to be joking |
| 13:40.45 | piper69 | abrotman: sda and sda1 |
| 13:40.45 | man_in_shack | also i had a lot driver crashes on the laptop with stock debian kernels |
| 13:40.51 | saivin | valdyn: i don't have .firefox. have .mozilla. created plugins underit and tried that path. no luck |
| 13:40.51 | hark | liable: stew: ah thanks for the info |
| 13:40.52 | man_in_shack | didn't have it with self-compiled ones |
| 13:41.03 | man_in_shack | valdyn, i don't remember specifics |
| 13:41.18 | man_in_shack | possibly harddisk access, even when correct libata driver was loaded |
| 13:41.24 | m_dige | hark: They seem very similar |
| 13:41.27 | liable | hark: and just for giggles .. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517260 |
| 13:41.30 | valdyn | saivin: i dont think iceweasel, which is actually firefox looks in .mozilla |
| 13:41.36 | valdyn | saivin: you can create .firefox/plugins |
| 13:41.40 | liable | its almost like a MD report |
| 13:41.40 | man_in_shack | at one point it seemed like generic ide was being used instead of the specific driver no matter how hard i tried to override it |
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| 13:42.04 | jelly | valdyn: (iceweasel & ~/.mozilla) it does if it exists |
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| 13:42.18 | hark | saivin: try ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins |
| 13:42.20 | man_in_shack | christ, all that work and it's not building the package right |
| 13:42.24 | man_in_shack | i can fix this!@ |
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| 13:42.40 | segfault- | man_in_shack, can i has cheeseburger ? |
| 13:42.53 | hark | saivin: you can also get it from backports or dmm |
| 13:42.56 | segfault- | (syntax & grammar..) |
| 13:42.56 | man_in_shack | segfault-, i know a good burger place, yes |
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| 13:43.05 | abrotman | piper69: so fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 13:43.29 | Adrian` | man_in_shack, is it open 24h? |
| 13:43.34 | jelly | liable: you got something against md??!?! |
| 13:43.59 | man_in_shack | Adrian`, unfortunately not |
| 13:44.01 | liable | jelly: no. i love his bug reports, i have the 2.6.12 one bookmarked! |
| 13:44.16 | piper69 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/30990/ |
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| 13:44.20 | saivin | oops... none of the above paths working... :( |
| 13:44.22 | jelly | liable: url, I'm missing that one! |
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| 13:44.40 | abrotman | piper69: says there's only one partition |
| 13:44.55 | liable | jelly: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317332 |
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| 13:45.40 | hark | saivin: wait, it's ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 13:45.51 | piper69 | abrotman: how do i format it |
| 13:46.25 | saivin | i have tried that too... |
| 13:46.29 | segfault- | piper69, mkfs |
| 13:46.34 | shafu | How can I see what package contains this command : fuser? (sry didnt catch the responses) |
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| 13:46.58 | abrotman | piper69: format it to which filesystem ? |
| 13:47.06 | segfault- | shafu, apt-file |
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| 13:47.21 | piper69 | abrotman: but even, in lenny it shows for emblems |
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| 13:47.28 | solars | hey, is there a bluetooth passkey tool for the console? |
| 13:47.33 | man_in_shack | ok, i think that's done it |
| 13:47.38 | piper69 | abrotman: one is Castella and the other is AutoRun |
| 13:47.50 | abrotman | shafu: i told oyu 10 minutes ago and even gave you the answer |
| 13:48.01 | piper69 | the autorun mount point is /media/Autorun |
| 13:48.14 | piper69 | ^ that is the one i want to wipe |
| 13:48.14 | segfault- | abrotman, he said he didn't catche the answer in his statement.. |
| 13:48.36 | segfault- | piper69, what is unclear ? |
| 13:48.53 | segfault- | piper69, if you want an ext3 filesystem, choose mkfs.ext3 |
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| 13:49.04 | segfault- | piper69, xfs, mkfs.xfs and so on |
| 13:49.12 | segfault- | read the mans for advanced options ;) |
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| 13:49.34 | piper69 | abrotman: can you please help me to format it to fat32 |
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| 13:49.42 | abrotman | piper69: do you see an Autorun on /dev/sda1 ? |
| 13:49.56 | man_in_shack | sigh |
| 13:50.00 | man_in_shack | this had better fix it |
| 13:50.16 | abrotman | or what? |
| 13:50.20 | hark | m_dige: you have the icedtea-gcjwebplugin. try with the icedtea6-plugin instead |
| 13:50.24 | man_in_shack | or i'm going to kill something |
| 13:50.42 | abrotman | has an idea ... |
| 13:51.09 | liable | i bet it involves sheep |
| 13:51.27 | abrotman | bet you it doesn't |
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| 13:51.39 | piper69 | abrotman: how do i check it from the CLI please |
| 13:52.02 | piper69 | cat /etc/fstab |
| 13:52.04 | piper69 | ? |
| 13:52.05 | segfault- | piper69, for fat32 i think you should boot back into windows .. |
| 13:52.05 | jair | has anyone here succeed configuring the 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) in debian etch? |
| 13:52.05 | man_in_shack | i bet it involves sheep on a rotisserie |
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| 13:52.31 | abrotman | segfault-: just be quiet |
| 13:52.36 | jair | I have etch with 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 backports kernel |
| 13:52.39 | segfault- | man_in_shack, what are you trying to fix ? |
| 13:52.50 | man_in_shack | lamb kabab |
| 13:53.00 | liable | jair: why havent you upgraded to lenny? the kernel driver in 26 is much better than what you would be using |
| 13:53.05 | jair | I am checking online and before start the adventure I wanted to see if anyone already did this? |
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| 13:53.15 | segfault- | abrotman, while i respect you for having different opinions than me, (we had this chat before remember ?) don't tell me what i can or can't do |
| 13:53.17 | abrotman | piper69: mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /media/ .. then cd /media/ and look .. you probably want to do this as root |
| 13:53.17 | jair | liable: I know |
| 13:53.22 | hark | jair: with etchnhalf, yes |
| 13:53.28 | abrotman | segfault-: you're not helping anyone .. |
| 13:53.30 | segfault- | abrotman, unless you know a fair way to format properly into fat32 :) |
| 13:53.41 | jair | liable: I will try to make it work with the kernel I have and etch if not I will upgrade |
| 13:53.51 | segfault- | (and vfat is not a proper way) |
| 13:54.00 | abrotman | segfault-: man mkfs.vfat .. try reading the man page |
| 13:54.02 | jair | hark: hmm I have a newer kernel thoguh, so i will try and see |
| 13:54.02 | liable | jair: if you have th 26 backport kernel, that should be ok |
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| 13:54.11 | stew | segfault-: what is wrong with mkfs.vfat? |
| 13:54.11 | jair | liable: right |
| 13:54.19 | jair | liable: so we will see |
| 13:54.25 | man_in_shack | i've had issues with mkfs.vfat in the past |
| 13:54.30 | jair | hark: thank you anyway |
| 13:54.31 | man_in_shack | last time i used it it worked fine though |
| 13:54.31 | hark | jair: /msg dpkg iwlwifi etch |
| 13:54.42 | segfault- | stew, it simply doesn't implement fat32 properly afair |
| 13:54.42 | jair | hark: thank you |
| 13:54.51 | segfault- | (had problems recently with it) |
| 13:54.56 | stew | segfault-: are there bugs filed? |
| 13:55.01 | abrotman | must have used it on a SAN ... |
| 13:55.07 | hark | jair: and also /msg dpkg 4965 |
| 13:55.11 | liable | hark: that would likely downgrade what he has |
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| 13:55.20 | piper69 | abrotman: i see it |
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| 13:55.38 | segfault- | stew, nope, have to confirm them first |
| 13:55.40 | jair | hark: ok thank you |
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| 13:55.53 | hark | liable: iwlwifi is not the one? |
| 13:55.54 | piper69 | abrotman: AutoRun , CASTELLA, cdrom, cdrom0 |
| 13:56.10 | segfault- | abrotman, and fyi, the mkfs.vfat only mention fat32 when speaking about the numbers of reserved sectors.. |
| 13:56.13 | stew | segfault-: can you give me an example of what might go wrong? |
| 13:56.29 | liable | hark: it is, but if that factoid says to compile module source available in etch, it would be older than his 26 bpo kernel module |
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| 13:56.42 | abrotman | piper69: mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 .. does that throw an error ? (it will erase the contents) |
| 13:56.47 | foetus | uups |
| 13:56.49 | segfault- | stew, i don't know what went wrong, i had the filesystem stuck in a check loop at boot after creation for no visible reason (empty partition) |
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| 13:57.19 | jair | hark: "/dpkg 4965 does not work but the other one does. |
| 13:57.26 | foetus | (have made few tests before,sorry) |
| 13:57.31 | jair | hark: Thank you I will read about it |
| 13:58.06 | segfault- | stew, hence my recommandation of booting back on win32 |
| 13:58.23 | valdyn | theres millions of devices shipping using linux vfat |
| 13:58.24 | hark | liable: hmm, no m-a bits in the factoid |
| 13:58.32 | valdyn | i wonder how such a bug could possibly have hidden |
| 13:58.37 | man_in_shack | YES |
| 13:58.40 | man_in_shack | FIXED |
| 13:58.41 | piper69 | abrotman: mkfs.vfat :command not found |
| 13:58.43 | man_in_shack | ALL FIXED |
| 13:58.44 | stew | segfault-: i'm suprised that nobody has reported such a serious bug if it really exists |
| 13:58.50 | stew | piper69: in the dosfstools package |
| 13:58.50 | abrotman | piper69: it has to be installed |
| 13:58.58 | hark | liable: basically, it's get the updated kernel, firmware and modprobe |
| 13:58.59 | man_in_shack | NOW I MUST KILL SOMETHING IN CELEBRATION and turn off my capslock |
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| 13:59.19 | segfault- | valdyn, dunno, but yet i tried to format it back, low level format (new drive, wasn't used) and badblocked it i had no reports |
| 13:59.25 | enouf | mkdosfs -F 32 |
| 13:59.40 | man_in_shack | god-fucking-christ-dammit |
| 13:59.43 | man_in_shack | not fixed :( |
| 13:59.46 | liable | hark: right, i should have checked the factoid. in which case, he already has 26 so its kinda pointless :) |
| 13:59.48 | stew | segfault-: low level format? seriously? |
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| 14:00.02 | segfault- | stew, yep, seagates tools allow it |
| 14:00.14 | enouf | segfault-: no they don't |
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| 14:00.44 | stew | segfault-: what kind of hardware do you own that needs a low level format? i didn't think anything had been manufactured that needs a low level format since the 80s |
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| 14:00.48 | segfault- | http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=65a8783c970ce010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD&locale=en-GB |
| 14:00.53 | man_in_shack | stupid 64bit dependencies on 32bit packages |
| 14:00.57 | segfault- | just shut up sometimes. |
| 14:01.00 | man_in_shack | solution: use a fucking chroot >:( |
| 14:01.07 | enouf | segfault-: there is no such thing as low-level formatting ever since ZBR |
| 14:01.17 | segfault- | not everyone runs their hard drives in sata you know |
| 14:01.42 | stew | low level format was something obsoleted by ide |
| 14:01.47 | enouf | hears the bozo box grumbling for a new entry ;-) |
| 14:01.48 | stew | it was something you did with mfm/fll |
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| 14:01.54 | hark | liable: oh, missed the part of his having the .26 kernel :) |
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| 14:01.58 | abrotman | enouf: careful .. he'll start insulting you! |
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| 14:02.20 | enouf | heh |
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| 14:02.46 | stew | ahh, he posted a link confirming it |
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| 14:02.59 | m_dige | hark: Tryed it - but it still display that my browser does not support java. |
| 14:03.06 | enouf | it? |
| 14:03.19 | praecox | hello, I'm not sure where to ask - I've got problem with running PHP on FastCGI on Debian. |
| 14:03.46 | abrotman | stew: needing it, and providing it ... |
| 14:03.51 | abrotman | two different things |
| 14:03.59 | stew | abrotman: ? |
| 14:04.01 | praecox | FastCGI works, PHP5 also but whenever I try to enable suexec as the wrapper - I got: server cgi-bin/php5-fcgi (pid 24400) terminated by calling exit with status '116' |
| 14:04.14 | segfault- | stew, hence why you should sometimes shut up (not being unpolite, stating the obvious). |
| 14:04.15 | segfault- | :D |
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| 14:04.20 | stew | segfault-: what? |
| 14:04.23 | piper69 | abrotman: i will have to do it from home then |
| 14:04.30 | segfault- | (you including channel/ego-geeks) |
| 14:04.31 | stew | segfault-: you posted a link confirming that what you did wasn't a low level format |
| 14:05.10 | segfault- | stew, oh excuse me, when i used the low level format option on my boot floppy i must have been mistaken by another options ? lol. |
| 14:05.21 | hark | m_dige: this is the one i tested with: File name: IcedTeaPlugin.so The IcedTea Java Web Browser Plugin 1.5pre (6b14-1.5~pre1-4) executes Java applets. |
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| 14:05.30 | smeea | hello guys, how can i build debian package from haskell sources and .cabal? |
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| 14:05.46 | abrotman | yay! |
| 14:06.01 | abrotman | piper69: eh? why? |
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| 14:06.38 | m_dige | hark: 6b14-1.5~pre1-4 is also the version i used:s |
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| 14:10.11 | jetscreamer | debug g=c800:5 is low level format for men with dos |
| 14:10.32 | m_dige | hark: I think that something else is broken in my system. I cannot even see this plugin: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml |
| 14:10.46 | jetscreamer | wtf is this low level format floppy... dd it? |
| 14:11.05 | jetscreamer | floppies are raw anyway aren't they |
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| 14:12.13 | hark | m_dige: what's the output of "readlink -f /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so" |
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| 14:13.18 | ringo999_ | is there a video conf app for linux that allows multiuser video chat (like iChat on macosx)? |
| 14:13.19 | m_dige | hark: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/IcedTeaPlugin.so |
| 14:13.33 | LZNPDE | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/tcl8.4_8.4.12-1.1_i386.deb (--unpack): unable to install updated status of `tcl8.4': No such file or directory <- anyone know where i should begin with this? get it everytime i use apt-get |
| 14:13.33 | dpkg | lznpde: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 14:13.54 | jetscreamer | pigin/gaim maybe |
| 14:14.02 | m_dige | hark: But I use a manually installed firefox located in /usr/local/firefox/ |
| 14:14.10 | jelly | LZNPDE: pastebin the output of ls -la /var/lib/dpkg, please |
| 14:14.17 | JyZyXEL | !tuz |
| 14:14.30 | JyZyXEL | i heard that tux has be replaced with tuz |
| 14:14.47 | spacepluk | ringo999_: I think empathy does that |
| 14:15.04 | piper69 | abrotman: because , i can't connect my laptop to work LAN and my EVDO is not working, i have to pay! little complications but i should be home in an hour or two |
| 14:15.15 | abrotman | piper69: ah ok |
| 14:15.22 | piper69 | abrotman: thanks mate |
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| 14:15.44 | LZNPDE | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/30991/ |
| 14:15.59 | piper69 | later |
| 14:16.02 | piper69 | everyone |
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| 14:16.22 | hark | m_dige: that could be it .. but it does show up in about:plugins for you |
| 14:17.11 | m_dige | hark: yes it does. I have added a symlink in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ to IcedTea.so |
| 14:17.12 | enouf | update-java-alternatives ? |
| 14:17.39 | jetscreamer | is that a real command, enouf ? |
| 14:17.51 | jetscreamer | never seen it |
| 14:18.24 | enouf | jetscreamer: i think so - i can't confirm personally, javashit will never get near my boxen |
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| 14:19.07 | m_dige | enouf: update-java-alternatives -l displays: java-6-openjdk 1061 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk |
| 14:19.11 | spacepluk | enouf: I use that java shit at work every day, and update-java-alternatives is an actual command :P |
| 14:19.25 | enouf | there ya go ;-) |
| 14:19.26 | jetscreamer | huh |
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| 14:20.09 | jetscreamer | well time for work :/ ... i can use the pda for irc :/ |
| 14:20.12 | m_dige | enouf: that was for spacepluk right? |
| 14:20.21 | jelly | LZNPDE: hm. Also, "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg tcl8.4 |tail -3", and if you have strace installed, run "strace -ff -o/tmp/strace.log dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/tcl8.4_8.4.12-1.1_i386.deb", and pastebin the /tmp/strace.log* files? |
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| 14:21.19 | enouf | m_dige: well .. i asked you to try the command so hopefully others might obtain other useful info .. however, yes, the 'there ya go' was mainly for jetscreamer |
| 14:21.53 | jetscreamer | doesn't do the java thing |
| 14:21.58 | enouf | m_dige: since i can't help othewrwise personally since i never used java |
| 14:22.48 | spacepluk | m_dige: I think you need to install sun-java6-plugin, and after that check with update-java-alternatives if its being used |
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| 14:23.29 | LZNPDE | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/30993/ |
| 14:23.35 | LZNPDE | strace coming up ;o |
| 14:23.40 | LZNPDE | thx 4 looking btw |
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| 14:23.44 | LZNPDE | i'm stupmed :z |
| 14:23.50 | LZNPDE | stumped* |
| 14:25.01 | solars | doesn't deb unstable need the passkey line in hcid.conf? |
| 14:25.14 | jetscreamer | huh? |
| 14:25.19 | jair | alright. I have debian etch running the backport kernel and it looks like the newest intel wireless chip is configured I can run the commands to scan and configure networks. Now is there anything on network-manager that I can not do through the gui? |
| 14:25.28 | jair | I mean through the CLI |
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| 14:26.55 | jair | If i need to configure a network using something different than regular wap or wep |
| 14:27.05 | jair | I have at my company something called LEAP |
| 14:27.10 | jetscreamer | --ins tall ? |
| 14:27.29 | jetscreamer | pkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/tcl8.4_8.4.12-1.1_i386.deb (--ins tall) |
| 14:27.37 | jetscreamer | line break? |
| 14:27.38 | jair | everybody that use linux in the company sugest to install the "network-manager" package... |
| 14:28.01 | jair | but I really want to keep my machine as clean as possible |
| 14:28.10 | petemc | is network-manager dirty? |
| 14:28.16 | LZNPDE | jelly: http://78.86.113.223/download/strace.tar.gz |
| 14:28.18 | jetscreamer | filthy |
| 14:28.22 | jetscreamer | it never took a bath |
| 14:28.25 | jair | petemc: well it is not fat free for sure |
| 14:28.39 | LZNPDE | rename("/var/lib/dpkg/available-new", "/var/lib/dpkg/available") = 0; --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 14:28.40 | petemc | it works well |
| 14:28.42 | LZNPDE | hmm wassat ;o |
| 14:28.49 | petemc | jair: is your machine ancient? |
| 14:28.50 | jair | I use normally wireless-tools to configure wifi networks |
| 14:28.58 | jair | petemc: not really |
| 14:29.19 | liable | petemc: probably not if it has a 4965 card |
| 14:29.38 | petemc | i would agree with your coworkers then |
| 14:29.41 | jair | petemc: but you understand what I mean. and it also sounds like I will need to install kde or gnome libraries :( |
| 14:29.45 | jair | liable: thank you |
| 14:29.52 | jair | hmmm |
| 14:30.02 | jair | petemc: so you use something like LEAP |
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| 14:30.24 | liable | jair: you can configure it with a wpsupplicant conf file. see the docs in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples |
| 14:30.35 | petemc | jair: what? |
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| 14:30.42 | jair | liable: thank you very much |
| 14:30.43 | liable | jair: they are quite good with examples for most configurations |
| 14:30.55 | petemc | no, i dnt use leap, whatever it is |
| 14:31.00 | enouf | !wpa |
| 14:31.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
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| 14:31.24 | jair | enouf: Thank you |
| 14:31.35 | jair | liable: I will go check for the wpsupplicant :) |
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| 14:32.17 | xx | hello is known the bug in testing that nobody link open from nobody programms also if iceweasel is already default browser? |
| 14:35.26 | stew | frk: i couldn't undertsand your question. can you try to rephrase it? i don't know what "nobody link open from nobody programms" might mean |
| 14:37.07 | frk | emsene-xchat and all programm after upgrade lenny-testing not open URL |
| 14:37.14 | enouf | nobody == unknown/random? |
| 14:37.14 | jelly | LZNPDE: ignoring the segfault for a moment, this is weird: open("/var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 4 [...] rename("/var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i", "/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0000") = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 14:37.28 | hark | frk: where is iceweasel set as the default browser? |
| 14:37.38 | jelly | LZNPDE: as if something deletes files beneath dpkg's feet |
| 14:37.57 | frk | yes but not problem of browser default |
| 14:38.02 | LZNPDE | jelly: which line is that on? |
| 14:38.08 | LZNPDE | i have a tmp.i in my updates dir |
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| 14:38.25 | jelly | 315:open("/var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 4 |
| 14:38.25 | jelly | 2297:rename("/var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i", "/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0000") = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
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| 14:38.42 | enouf | frk: he asked you "where" , not yes/no |
| 14:38.54 | LZNPDE | jelly: i will just run strace again.. to double check something. |
| 14:38.59 | jelly | LZNPDE: grep -n 'tmp\.i' strace.log |
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| 14:39.22 | jelly | LZNPDE: I'd check dmesg/kern.log for any general instability or kernel issues first. |
| 14:39.31 | anders_l | is there a packet managmentserver like landscape in ubuntu ? |
| 14:39.45 | jelly | LZNPDE: you wouldn't be using anything like selinux or rsbac? |
| 14:39.53 | hark | frk: gnome? |
| 14:39.57 | frk | yes gnome |
| 14:40.21 | LZNPDE | jelly: selinux i have seen floating about before, but i'm not exactly sure what it is |
| 14:40.23 | m_dige | update-java-alternatives --plugins -l shows: java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun |
| 14:40.35 | m_dige | anyone knows whether that is correct? |
| 14:40.51 | LZNPDE | jelly: i think its just the /selinux dir i have seen, but this is empty |
| 14:41.03 | LZNPDE | sorry i am relatively amateur with debian/linux :x |
| 14:41.10 | jetscreamer | security enabled |
| 14:41.15 | jetscreamer | se |
| 14:41.18 | LZNPDE | ahh oki |
| 14:41.18 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 14:41.30 | jelly | LZNPDE: well; is there anything weird in /var/log/kern.log or output of dmesg? pastebin the last 100-ish lines of any of those (should be pretty much the same) |
| 14:41.44 | hark | frk: yes, i think. see http://bugs.debian.org/519263 |
| 14:42.50 | jetscreamer | what happens if you dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/tcl8.4_8.4.12-1.1_i386.deb same? or you did already? |
| 14:43.22 | LZNPDE | http://www.shinobicorp.com/kern.log |
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| 14:43.30 | frk | hark: is a bug? |
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| 14:44.19 | LZNPDE | jetscreamer: same problem as using apt-get with dpkg -i, i tried this and all the variations of force etc |
| 14:45.32 | LZNPDE | it's driving me crazy :) |
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| 14:46.03 | jetscreamer | ok so what happens if you --purge it then install it |
| 14:46.13 | jetscreamer | is a thought |
| 14:46.14 | jetscreamer | gtg |
| 14:46.16 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 14:46.23 | LZNPDE | see ya :) doesn't work btw :p |
| 14:46.38 | LZNPDE | segmentation fault as per usual |
| 14:46.41 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 14:46.50 | jetscreamer | what about an older version |
| 14:46.53 | m_dige | hark: Finally. Got it to work using sun-java6-jre |
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| 14:47.18 | kamp2tux | can u please assist me what wrong with my command -- if i wish to refer the remote PC by IP address rather than NetBIOS name. see http://fpaste.org/paste/6481 |
| 14:47.23 | m_dige | hark: Apparently is linked to the wrong .so file. Sun decided to change the name somehow.... |
| 14:47.34 | LZNPDE | anything i try to install via apt-get is stopped in it's tracks by theh tcl8.4 |
| 14:47.37 | LZNPDE | :/ |
| 14:47.41 | uriahheep | ello |
| 14:47.56 | uriahheep | has anyone installed the nouveau drivers succesfully here? |
| 14:48.10 | hark | frk: yes that is a bug |
| 14:48.35 | hark | m_dige: which .so file? |
| 14:48.41 | uriahheep | unfortunately the install docs on their site are outdated for debian, i'm just wondering how i can get module-assistant to install the drm drivers... |
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| 14:49.11 | hark | uriahheep: apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 14:49.31 | uriahheep | W: Unable to locate package xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 14:49.49 | uriahheep | what repo do i need to add? i'm running unstable |
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| 14:49.58 | enouf | exp |
| 14:50.15 | hark | uriahheep: it's in experimental |
| 14:50.27 | uriahheep | hmm, i see |
| 14:50.40 | uriahheep | so, i just add experimental beside unstable, right? |
| 14:50.44 | khaije1 | don't dkms and m-a do the same thing? |
| 14:51.09 | m_dige | hark: libnpjp2.so - it used to be called libjavaplugin_oji.so or something like that |
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| 14:52.44 | jelly | LZNPDE: nothing immediately weird in kern.log |
| 14:52.55 | LZNPDE | yeah seems as normal |
| 14:53.10 | jelly | too bad, I hoped for it :-) |
| 14:53.24 | LZNPDE | i thought initially it might be ram problems, but i ran a memory test etc |
| 14:53.26 | LZNPDE | all came back fine |
| 14:53.38 | jair | liable: so after I installed wpasupplicant, I now instead of configure the network using iwconfig wlan0 blah blah? I will configure a file on the wpasupplicant.conf and run it using "/etc/init.d/wpasupplicant start-restart-stop"? |
| 14:53.41 | jelly | LZNPDE: oh |
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| 14:54.24 | LZNPDE | sighs |
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| 14:54.33 | jelly | LZNPDE: lsattr /var/lib/dpkg/updates/* |
| 14:54.34 | uriahheep | thanks for the help, everyone |
| 14:55.01 | LZNPDE | ------------------ /var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i |
| 14:55.14 | jelly | LZNPDE: can you rm it? |
| 14:55.32 | LZNPDE | yup |
| 14:55.39 | jelly | LZNPDE: run dpkg -i again? |
| 14:56.08 | LZNPDE | with tcl8.4 ? |
| 14:56.11 | jelly | right |
| 14:56.21 | LZNPDE | hmm |
| 14:56.32 | LZNPDE | cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
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| 14:56.48 | idimmu | :o |
| 14:57.17 | jelly | LZNPDE: and a leftover /var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i again? |
| 14:58.03 | LZNPDE | /var/lib/dpkg/updates/ is empty |
| 14:58.08 | LZNPDE | no tmp.i this time ;o |
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| 14:59.52 | LZNPDE | tmp.i gets created with apt-get install -f tcl8.4 but not with dpkg -i tcl8.4 |
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| 15:00.58 | xoz | jair: try wpa_supplicant -c wpa.conf -i wlan0 |
| 15:01.12 | jelly | LZNPDE: does "debsums dpkg |grep -v OK" create any output? |
| 15:01.25 | xoz | jair: debian has no start-stop for wpa_supplicant |
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| 15:01.59 | LZNPDE | debsums: command not found :/ |
| 15:02.54 | jelly | oh well. |
| 15:02.59 | xoz | apt-get install debsums |
| 15:03.02 | LZNPDE | reinstall time :) |
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| 15:03.29 | jelly | LZNPDE: did you do a reboot since this started manifesting? |
| 15:03.35 | LZNPDE | yeah several times :x |
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| 15:04.10 | jelly | LZNPDE: k, so it might not be hardware |
| 15:04.15 | enouf | how about a fsck? |
| 15:04.33 | LZNPDE | well everything on the system worked perfectly fine until yesterday after i rebooted |
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| 15:04.53 | LZNPDE | i only noticed there was a prob because i couldn't svnadmin create /Test |
| 15:04.54 | fairway | hi |
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| 15:05.12 | LZNPDE | so i started trying to find the problem until i arrived at nothing with apt-get was working properly either |
| 15:05.22 | fairway | what means if I mount a HD with noatime ? will the files wont get a modfication date`? |
| 15:05.31 | LZNPDE | so its' possible if i fix this tcl apt-get thing, everything else might still be screwed.. i don't know |
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| 15:07.09 | jelly | LZNPDE: can you also pastebin /var/log/dpkg.log (last 100-200 lines)? |
| 15:07.27 | jelly | or the whole thing, doesn't matter |
| 15:07.36 | fairway | what means if I mount a HD with noatime ? will the files get no modfication date? |
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| 15:08.17 | LZNPDE | sure 2 secs |
| 15:08.20 | xoz | fairway: no inode access time update... |
| 15:08.35 | fairway | xoz: thanks! |
| 15:08.52 | xoz | fairway: good for laptops |
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| 15:09.45 | LZNPDE | http://www.shinobicorp.com/dpkg.log |
| 15:10.27 | LZNPDE | half-installed o_O |
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| 15:12.18 | lymeca | Is there a way I can force my normal users to be not allowed to edit their ~/.bash_history files? |
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| 15:13.00 | xoz | LZNPDE: /var/log/aptitude and /var/log/apt/term.log |
| 15:13.31 | jelly | LZNPDE: dunno, I'd move away that archive and try "apt-get -f install" again. |
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| 15:14.01 | jelly | LZNPDE: (by archive I mean /var/cache/apt/archive/tcl8.4_*deb) |
| 15:14.12 | LZNPDE | ahh yeah, i already did that too :) |
| 15:14.17 | jelly | LZNPDE: and that's "apt-get -f install", with no other options |
| 15:14.26 | LZNPDE | erm /var/log/aptitude is empty |
| 15:14.33 | LZNPDE | oh i didn't do with no other options |
| 15:14.35 | LZNPDE | lets see |
| 15:14.37 | xoz | LZNPDE: that is strange |
| 15:14.43 | jelly | LZNPDE: probably because you didn't use aptitude. |
| 15:14.51 | xoz | LZNPDE: check apt |
| 15:15.02 | xoz | /var/log/apt/term.log |
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| 15:15.34 | LZNPDE | nope |
| 15:15.48 | LZNPDE | no /var/log/apt/ |
| 15:15.53 | LZNPDE | or term.log |
| 15:15.54 | jelly | xoz: we've already figured out dpkg -i (or --unpack) is failing for some reason, strace of dpkg -i at http://78.86.113.223/download/strace.tar.gz |
| 15:16.09 | xoz | ok |
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| 15:16.33 | mrglinux | i got 550 /htdocs/sites: No such file or directory but this directory exists and i can go to it with shell |
| 15:16.45 | xoz | LZNPDE: disk space is enough? |
| 15:16.56 | LZNPDE | diskspace is plenth |
| 15:16.58 | LZNPDE | plenty* |
| 15:17.09 | JordiGH | So I am admonishing a website for which I had to spoof Iceweasel as Firefox. |
| 15:17.27 | LZNPDE | jelly: apt-get -f install redownloads tcl8.4 from ftp.uk.debian.org, then same problem |
| 15:17.32 | jelly | JordiGH: serves you right for using an obscure browser! |
| 15:17.39 | JordiGH | Much to my surprise, they responded. And they are arguing, "customised browsers are not supported." |
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| 15:17.54 | xoz | LZNPDE: have you tried another package? |
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| 15:18.03 | xoz | LZNPDE: like install --reinstall? |
| 15:18.13 | JordiGH | Now, my argument is that they should b4 checking for Gecko. Am I correct that the javascripting is also done in Gecko? |
| 15:18.25 | LZNPDE | everything gets stuck on the tcl8.4 problem |
| 15:18.41 | LZNPDE | remove/purge/reinstall |
| 15:18.44 | LZNPDE | etc. |
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| 15:20.14 | cantoma | hey guys, my vim by default starts with syntax off and I would like to change it to syntax on. I realize i don't have any .vim? file in my home directory to edit this preferences. Should I create a file and add this???!! |
| 15:20.23 | xoz | LZNPDE: let us fool the system... goto /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 15:20.40 | xoz | LZNPDE: open status file and mark tcl as installed |
| 15:20.46 | xoz | LZNPDE: backup status first. |
| 15:21.00 | LZNPDE | hm which is the status file? |
| 15:21.07 | xoz | name is status |
| 15:21.15 | JordiGH | Because if I'm gonna get into one of these, I'd rather be right: http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/piccies/Internet-argument.jpg |
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| 15:21.30 | LZNPDE | my satus is in /var/lib/dpkg this is correct? |
| 15:21.34 | LZNPDE | status* |
| 15:21.41 | xoz | LZNPDE: or the easier way is goto /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 15:21.43 | xoz | LZNPDE: yeah |
| 15:22.14 | LZNPDE | Status: install reinstreq half-installed |
| 15:22.15 | xoz | LZNPDE: and comment all the scripts related to tcl. postrm prein etc. |
| 15:22.21 | LZNPDE | i will change this to install ok installed ? |
| 15:22.32 | LZNPDE | oh oki |
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| 15:22.45 | xoz | LZNPDE: you can cp the status file of another package successfully installed |
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| 15:23.14 | xoz | LZNPDE: but better we just comment all the scripts so that it will run successfully when you install |
| 15:23.28 | xoz | LZNPDE: basically, no script will run and apt-get install will assume no error |
| 15:23.34 | cantoma | sorry guys i could find .vimrc and by edit it i could set my preference. cheers |
| 15:23.47 | hark | or use force-remove-reinstreq |
| 15:23.51 | jelly | xoz: did you read the strace? dpkg breaks before touching any of the scripts |
| 15:24.01 | xoz | jelly: not yet... ah |
| 15:24.18 | jelly | xoz: well, it bails right after trying to access conffiles |
| 15:24.21 | LZNPDE | well |
| 15:24.38 | LZNPDE | fyi, i changed status to install ok installed |
| 15:24.46 | jelly | LZNPDE: that's not a smart idea. |
| 15:24.56 | jelly | seeing as the package isn't really installed |
| 15:25.03 | LZNPDE | and tried apt-get install squid3, which came up with the same problem as tcl |
| 15:25.15 | LZNPDE | yeah i'll put it back now |
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| 15:25.31 | LZNPDE | damn i wonder what changed to make this happen |
| 15:25.33 | xoz | LZNPDE: ok. so basically it is not the packaging or the package. |
| 15:25.43 | xoz | LZNPDE: it seems memory |
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| 15:26.03 | LZNPDE | checked that already :x |
| 15:26.09 | xoz | LZNPDE: if other packages behave similarly, this is i think more of a hardware. |
| 15:26.17 | xoz | any other error aside from dpkg? |
| 15:26.22 | LZNPDE | nope |
| 15:26.30 | LZNPDE | everything else seems fine |
| 15:26.53 | xoz | LZNPDE: check latest package you install. ls -ltr /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
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| 15:27.20 | xoz | LZNPDE: anything anomalous there? |
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| 15:27.49 | enouf | it's an enigma :-p |
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| 15:28.02 | m3ltdown | how can i figure out with what configure-flags mysqld was compiled with in the debian-package..? |
| 15:28.09 | dacs | abrotman: am home :) |
| 15:28.32 | dacs | i just love Debian!!! why i don't know |
| 15:28.51 | LZNPDE | all seems as normal |
| 15:28.52 | foetus | anyone experiences with tar.lzma? i have made an shellwrapper, so that i can compress it with tar through lzma. But i made no good experiences with tar.lzma as an source-packer. |
| 15:29.01 | OpenTokix | I love debian because it does not suck a metric crap tonne of ass when you use it for a prolonged time. |
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| 15:29.56 | foetus | i prefer tar through 7z, works much more better. |
| 15:29.58 | cast | foetus: tar has an --lzma option |
| 15:30.12 | rootmos | anyone has a suggestion for stress testing program that will run a couple of days? |
| 15:30.23 | cast | 7z is unsuitable for general purpose use, as it doesn't preserve permissions or ownership |
| 15:30.27 | cast | rootmos: gcc |
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| 15:30.50 | dacs | where does #debian archive logs |
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| 15:31.11 | dacs | i could swear i stumbled once at a url that got shit from 2003 |
| 15:31.16 | xoz | LZNPDE: your system is pure lenny? no mixture of different debian versions? |
| 15:31.16 | foetus | cast: not mine. you have an newer tar :)..i use it with --use-compress-program =`which lzma` |
| 15:31.39 | cast | foetus: hmm, i'm using debian stable |
| 15:31.51 | jelly | xoz: it's etch |
| 15:32.19 | jelly | xoz: http://paste.debian.net/30993/ http://www.shinobicorp.com/kern.log http://www.shinobicorp.com/dpkg.log |
| 15:32.25 | LZNPDE | its' etch |
| 15:32.29 | LZNPDE | sorry i was fiddling |
| 15:32.39 | foetus | cast: oldstable. but the workaround must be the same in this case, i think. |
| 15:33.05 | D4T | is it possible to disable the IPMI support in Lenny? |
| 15:33.31 | D4T | I actually don't need to use IPMI and it seems it maybe causing my system to hang on boot |
| 15:33.49 | foetus | D4T: only through kernel, i think. |
| 15:34.18 | D4T | foetus: well, im trying to build another kernel now but can't find it in the menuconfig tool :/ |
| 15:34.32 | OpenTokix | D4T: ipmi? |
| 15:34.34 | ShredZ | When printing a 4x4" pdf on an A4 printer cups sees to be ok, but nothing prints. When looking at the log files it says something like unable to read client data err=-2 |
| 15:34.38 | dacs | jelly: not working |
| 15:34.41 | OpenTokix | D4T: hanging server? Dont you mean acpi? |
| 15:34.42 | xoz | jelly: tnx |
| 15:34.47 | foetus | D4T: IPMI? must be there. |
| 15:34.58 | D4T | foetus: will keep looking |
| 15:35.22 | foetus | D4T: i know it for sure. |
| 15:35.34 | foetus | D4T: which kernel? |
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| 15:36.34 | D4T | foetus: found it :D under serial :P |
| 15:36.38 | D4T | foetus: ty |
| 15:36.42 | foetus | D4T: :) |
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| 15:37.00 | LZNPDE | oh well i'm prolly gonna reinstall damnit |
| 15:37.04 | LZNPDE | thx for the help everyone |
| 15:37.12 | LZNPDE | good time to upgrade to lenny i suppose :D |
| 15:37.44 | xoz | LZNPDE: it is a nasty bug |
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| 15:38.11 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:39.21 | Understanding | hello everybody |
| 15:39.35 | Understanding | is lenny already stable |
| 15:39.37 | Understanding | ? |
| 15:39.42 | spook- | yep |
| 15:39.53 | Understanding | nice. |
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| 15:41.13 | foetus | i will put lzma into testing. i prefer 7z. its useless. better use good old tar.bz2, i think. |
| 15:41.31 | dacs | !fsdostool |
| 15:41.53 | beardy | !dosfstools |
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| 15:42.06 | vizzy | hi, where is libmotif3 for etch? |
| 15:42.12 | JordiGH | Am I doing it right? Except for the lack of linebreaks: http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/reply |
| 15:42.16 | beardy | That's the package name if you were looking for that anyway. |
| 15:42.20 | foetus | if you pack an archive with it, you can go into the kitchen for a while and drink some coffee.. |
| 15:42.41 | foetus | :) |
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| 15:43.11 | jelly | LZNPDE: I'd install debsums (download the package, and unpack it over the system tree with something like dpkg --extract foo.deb /) and run "debsums dpkg" |
| 15:43.21 | dacs | beardy: thanks mate |
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| 15:43.40 | dacs | !seen abrotman |
| 15:43.40 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian-ops (2h 32m 26s) #debian (2h 32m 26s). Has said a total of 55 messages. Is idling for 1h 28m 25s, last said: 'piper69: ah ok'. |
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| 15:44.33 | jelly | LZNPDE: my guess would be that either a dpkg related binary is slightly broken and making weird bugs (that segfault points to it), or the filesystem with /var/lib/dpkg is broken |
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| 15:45.51 | duke_leto | Hi. I seem to have problems getting some dead key combinations running here… in fact, not even the compose table from en_US.UTF-8 seems to be used… any ideas anyone? Any help appreciated :-) |
| 15:46.04 | marmar | maybe someone can help me to configure wlan0 iwl4965? i have tryed google, but i didin;t managed |
| 15:46.20 | LZNPDE | trying to install debsums |
| 15:46.35 | adb | !4965 |
| 15:46.35 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch> <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 15:47.29 | JordiGH | what the fact... |
| 15:47.34 | JordiGH | er, the fuck |
| 15:47.37 | LZNPDE | ok i ran ./debums dpkg and it just showed a massive list ;o |
| 15:47.50 | LZNPDE | all of them OK |
| 15:47.53 | JordiGH | I have to disable tapping on this touchpad. Makes me paste stupid shit. |
| 15:48.03 | LZNPDE | debsums even, damn my hands are cold :p |
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| 15:49.09 | xoz | LZNPDE: you have to look into hardware also. have you checked your fs? |
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| 15:49.25 | LZNPDE | what would be the best way i can check my hardware? |
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| 15:49.38 | LZNPDE | sorry i'm so noob :\ |
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| 15:52.00 | vizzy | i added unstable repo, the only way to get the libmotif3 libs which are important for me. now i want to install but apt-get wants to remove kernelheaders for that, and 'update' packages. but i dont want that, i just want libmotif3 to run my apps again! how to do that? how do i tell apt-get to just install libmotif3 and leave the rest of my system untouched? |
| 15:52.46 | JordiGH | Ah, figured out how to make vim add linebreaks. So, am I doing it right? http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/reply |
| 15:53.12 | xoz | LZNPDE: apt-cache search memtest for memory |
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| 15:53.39 | dacs | folks if i want to view a chat from last night , how can i do this please? |
| 15:54.04 | petemc | unless you have it logged, you cant |
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| 15:54.29 | D4T | anyone got any suggestions for good CPU and I/O benchmarking tools? Looking to compare two systems :) |
| 15:55.10 | dacs | petemc: i am able to get something back in '07, from the internet and not something from last night |
| 15:55.14 | xoz | apt-cache search performance benchmark |
| 15:55.30 | petemc | dacs: its not logged officially |
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| 15:55.35 | Understanding | vizzy check it out http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libmotif3&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 15:55.40 | dacs | aha |
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| 15:56.27 | dacs | well i guess i will wait for abrotman to come back, he was helping me to format one of those stupid usb stick |
| 15:56.42 | dacs | and i needed to download dosfstool |
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| 15:57.12 | vizzy | Understanding, thx, i had this link before, but ... maybe my browser is broken, but when i click on the link, i dont get to a site where i can get the deb package. |
| 15:57.24 | Understanding | vizzy if are you searching for a lenny pack... that lib could be found at http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/libmotif3/download |
| 15:57.41 | petemc | dacs: i have scrollback going back around 23 hours |
| 15:57.46 | Understanding | then you can add the repo line... |
| 15:57.50 | vizzy | Understanding, yes, but i need it for etch |
| 15:57.57 | Understanding | ah...ok |
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| 15:58.48 | xoz | dacs: what is special with your usb? |
| 15:59.00 | marmar | hrrr :/ 4: wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN qlen 1000 |
| 15:59.00 | marmar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:59.43 | vizzy | ah, restarting the browser did it :)) |
| 15:59.48 | dacs | xoz: when i plug it in , i see AutoRun and CASTELLA, and i am not able to format it |
| 16:00.16 | xoz | dacs: but can you umount? |
| 16:00.27 | dacs | xoz: thats when i use Micro$ucks Windows |
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| 16:00.58 | xoz | dacs: can you umount it? and use cfdisk to partition it? |
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| 16:01.29 | dacs | xoz: just 'umount -t /dev/sda1' |
| 16:01.59 | vizzy | oh! i didnt realize that leny is stable now |
| 16:02.04 | vizzy | how long is that? |
| 16:02.04 | Understanding | 4 |
| 16:02.18 | dacs | vizzy: 7 hrs |
| 16:02.25 | dacs | lol |
| 16:02.28 | vizzy | aaaah! that explains |
| 16:02.29 | Understanding | hahah vizzy see? |
| 16:02.33 | xoz | dacs: parted /dev/sda |
| 16:02.55 | vizzy | ok, so the magic thing i want to do now is apt-get dist-upgrade ? correct? |
| 16:03.24 | vizzy | ok :D wow! i will do that in the eening |
| 16:03.27 | dacs | xoz: command not found |
| 16:03.29 | Understanding | yeap |
| 16:03.31 | vizzy | really? just 7h? |
| 16:03.55 | dacs | vizzy: nah man , i was just messin' with you |
| 16:04.05 | xoz | dacs: apt-get install parted |
| 16:04.10 | vizzy | :( |
| 16:04.33 | dacs | xoz: can i just right click on it in gnome and umount it |
| 16:04.42 | abrotman | dacs: eh ? |
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| 16:04.53 | xoz | dacs: yes umount it first because we will format it. |
| 16:05.09 | xoz | abrotman is here, he can takeover :) |
| 16:05.23 | abrotman | runs away |
| 16:05.52 | Understanding | The latest stable release of Debian is 5.0. The last update to this release was made on February 14th, 2009. Read more about available versions of Debian. |
| 16:06.04 | dacs | graps abrotman .... |
| 16:06.10 | abrotman | greps ? |
| 16:06.21 | p0g0 | grabs |
| 16:06.28 | xoz | grasp |
| 16:06.29 | dacs | s/graps/grabs/ |
| 16:07.05 | dacs | abrotman: i installed dosfstool |
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| 16:08.21 | dacs | abrotman: and since i changed computers , i lost the last command...was is mkfs.vfat /dev/sda |
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| 16:08.58 | p0g0 | dacs: you need a partition, like /dev/sda1 |
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| 16:09.58 | abrotman | dacs: /dev/sda1 |
| 16:10.00 | adb | dacs: usb stick is usually formated as fat16 >> you probably won't have to repartition or reformat the stick http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html#4.3.2.1 |
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| 16:10.45 | dacs | abrotman: i still get "bash: mkfs.vfat: command not found" as root |
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| 16:10.59 | abrotman | !find mkfs.vfat lenny |
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| 16:12.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mkfs.vfat' (1): (/sbin/mkfs.vfat) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
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| 16:14.49 | SyL | I forgot to change stable to etch and need to revert some packages from lenny to etch, most importantly createrepo. Is this possible? |
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| 16:15.43 | abrotman | SyL: not really |
| 16:16.14 | SyL | abrotman: I need python 2.4, is there a way to just install that then? |
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| 16:16.26 | abrotman | judd: versions python2.4 |
| 16:16.27 | judd | abrotman: python2.4 -- etch: 2.4.4-3+etch1 etch-security: 2.4.4-3+etch2 lenny: 2.4.6-1 sid: 2.4.6-2 squeeze: 2.4.6-2 |
| 16:16.28 | jelly | SyL: if you read /var/lib/dpkg.log, you'll see which packages have been upgraded |
| 16:16.34 | abrotman | lenny already has python2.4 |
| 16:17.11 | dacs | abrotman: am lost ! :( |
| 16:17.17 | abrotman | why? |
| 16:17.23 | SyL | abrotman: "createrepo: Depends: python (>= 2.3) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 16:17.42 | dacs | abrotman: still can't get mkfs.vfat to work |
| 16:18.11 | dacs | abrotman: 'find / -name 'mkfs.vfat' return nothing |
| 16:19.01 | jelly | dacs: and dosfstools package is installed? |
| 16:19.27 | dacs | jelly: yes |
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| 16:19.44 | jelly | dacs: dpkg -L dosfstools|grep mkfs |
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| 16:25.31 | dacs | jelly: it says its not installed |
| 16:25.33 | ik | When I've got a source package that a number of different packages are built from (say, subversion), and I run dpkg-buildpackage <...>, it builds everything, whereas I only really want to build a few (eg, libapache2-svn and whatever it depends on, like libsvn) |
| 16:25.42 | dacs | jelly: but i did! |
| 16:25.44 | ik | Building the java bindings and whatnot takes forever and doesn't interest me. |
| 16:25.46 | ik | How do I do that? |
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| 16:25.56 | dacs | jelly: and i know lenny doesn't lie |
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| 16:26.10 | jelly | dacs: dpkg doesn't lie either |
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| 16:26.37 | dacs | jelly:' apt-get intall dosfstools' |
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| 16:26.57 | jelly | dacs: and what did the (complete) output of that command look like? |
| 16:27.04 | JordiGH | Why am I the only one who seems to hate tapping on a touchpad? Am I just stupid, or do people that like tapping on touchpads set it up in a non-annoying way that makes accidental tapping difficult? |
| 16:27.06 | slackbr | Iam using debian eatch, I still get security updates ? Why lenny realease are only 2 days after the realease of eatch ? |
| 16:27.16 | ik | JordiGH: you get used to it |
| 16:27.24 | ik | I used to hate it too |
| 16:27.36 | ik | But you learn what your touchpad does and doesn't respond to, I guess. |
| 16:27.49 | jpinx | JordiGH: join the club - I went back to a little mouse ;) |
| 16:27.51 | et | slackbr: oldstable gets security updates for a year |
| 16:28.23 | cast | i'd rather a small trackball but haven't seen any that do that :( |
| 16:28.27 | jelly | JordiGH: I like my trackpoint and keep the touchpad disabled. YMMV. |
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| 16:28.38 | dacs | http://paste.debian.net/31006/ |
| 16:28.41 | JordiGH | What's a track point? |
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| 16:28.59 | jelly | JordiGH: nipple. clit mouse. |
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| 16:29.11 | JordiGH | Oh, the clit. |
| 16:29.19 | JordiGH | I didn't realise it had an official name. |
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| 16:29.46 | JordiGH | Only stinkpads have clits, eh? I wonder why it didn't catch on. |
| 16:29.54 | dacs | jelly: do they make those now...nipple mices?! |
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| 16:30.07 | jelly | dacs: looks like it's installed now. |
| 16:30.21 | slackbr | et, :) tks. And you know why 4 days after eatch release they release lenny ? debian follow a scheduler release ? |
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| 16:30.40 | ninjaslim | i have two sound devices, an ATI HDMI and SND_HDA, the correct device is SND_HDA but even setting it as default doesns't help |
| 16:30.46 | ninjaslim | i don't get any sound |
| 16:30.53 | et | slackbr: it's "etch", and it's not 4 days, it's more like 2 years. |
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| 16:31.38 | dacs | jelly: not working |
| 16:31.47 | abrotman | JordiGH: actually .. as usual you're wrong .. other companies had them also |
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| 16:31.53 | abrotman | some still have them |
| 16:31.56 | daniel2 | Anyone able to get a lexmark printer running of Lenny? |
| 16:32.29 | aRahim | daniel2: yes mine works Lexmark X1185 |
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| 16:32.33 | jelly | dacs: pastebin the output of "dpkg -s dosfstools" and your /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 16:32.39 | daniel2 | aRahim, I have an X2600. |
| 16:32.46 | JordiGH | The Wikipedia article is clearly written by a fan of clit mice. |
| 16:32.49 | daniel2 | The download links on the lexmark website are broken. |
| 16:33.03 | abrotman | JordiGH: please use the proper name |
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| 16:33.10 | jelly | JordiGH: it's clearly superior technology. |
| 16:33.13 | slackbr | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r7 was released February 10th, 2009 (etch) Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.0 was released February 14th, 2009 (lenny ) humm some one misstype the realease date on debain site |
| 16:33.15 | aRahim | daniel2: let me look |
| 16:33.29 | slackbr | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r7 was released February 10th, 2009 (etch) Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.0 was released February 14th, 2009 (lenny ) humm some one misstype the realease date on debain site et |
| 16:33.33 | JordiGH | abrotman: Clitorides? |
| 16:33.35 | m3ltdown | what does the CFLAG -fPIC mean..? |
| 16:33.41 | abrotman | JordiGH: one more chance to stop ... |
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| 16:33.54 | jelly | slackbr: 7th update for etch was release on Feb 10th |
| 16:33.56 | JordiGH | m3ltdown: position independent code. Something you may want for libraries. |
| 16:34.03 | m3ltdown | thank you |
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| 16:34.49 | slackbr | jelly, ah now I got it |
| 16:34.50 | slackbr | :D |
| 16:34.52 | slackbr | tks |
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| 16:36.23 | dacs | jelly: do you want to whole /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
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| 16:36.49 | jelly | dacs: if the pastebin accepts it, why not |
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| 16:37.11 | aRahim | which Lexmark model? |
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| 16:38.16 | ninjaslim | i don't get any sound |
| 16:38.21 | dacs | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/31007/ |
| 16:38.21 | ninjaslim | i have two sound devices, an ATI HDMI and SND_HDA, the correct device is SND_HDA but even setting it as default doesns't help |
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| 16:38.27 | daniel2 | aRahim, X2600 |
| 16:38.31 | aRahim | tell me which lexmark model it was? x2600? |
| 16:38.33 | yitz_ | I got a user who failed authenticating too many times and now my sshd refuses to let him log in. How do I fix this? |
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| 16:39.07 | aRahim | daniel2: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-X2600_Series |
| 16:39.18 | daniel2 | I was just looking at that website :) |
| 16:39.20 | petemc | yitz_: are you running denyhosts or something like that? |
| 16:39.23 | jelly | dacs: ok, so it _is_ installed now, according to dpkg. |
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| 16:39.48 | daniel2 | aRahim, sadly the Debian Linux 5 driver link is broken on their website. |
| 16:39.58 | RichiH | hmm, does openssh server support two AuthorizedKeysFile files for one user? |
| 16:40.10 | fedya | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 4D270D06F42584E6 W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems <-- what's this about and how do you fix it? |
| 16:40.12 | yitz_ | petemc: No, I don't think so |
| 16:40.13 | OpenTokix | RichiH: you can add as many keys as you like into AuthKeys-file |
| 16:40.16 | aRahim | daniel2: i always go to that site for printer problem before going elsewhere :D |
| 16:40.18 | OpenTokix | RichiH: one per line |
| 16:40.22 | yitz_ | PAM? |
| 16:40.25 | dacs | jelly: '/sbin/mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 16:40.28 | RichiH | OpenTokix: i know, but that is not what i asked ;) |
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| 16:40.31 | petemc | yitz_: i dont believe thats default behaviour, check /etc/hosts.deny |
| 16:40.31 | daniel2 | aRahim, Still cant find the correct driver package |
| 16:40.32 | dacs | this worked |
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| 16:40.51 | OpenTokix | RichiH: I can see a single reason to have more then one file |
| 16:41.07 | jelly | dacs: oh, your root $PATH might be incomplete |
| 16:41.08 | stew | RichiH: i've seen machines that seem to have both authorized_keys and authorized_keys2 |
| 16:41.15 | dacs | jelly: it tool less that fraction of a sec to format 8GB, that doesn't right |
| 16:41.18 | RichiH | one is being autogenerated and the other is a local addition i need for a specific purpose? |
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| 16:41.19 | RichiH | ;) |
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| 16:41.39 | stew | use monkeysphere |
| 16:41.49 | yitz_ | petemc: Nope. |
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| 16:41.56 | stew | or see what it does to stick a hook in |
| 16:42.01 | jelly | dacs: for vfat? It's probably ok. This filesystem is dumb and all of its metadata is in first few MB. |
| 16:42.15 | petemc | yitz_: what does it say in the logs when he trys to log in? |
| 16:42.26 | OpenTokix | auth... and auth...2 is fore ssh-version, both is checked, so I guess you could use authrized_keys2 for the additional key |
| 16:42.27 | jelly | dacs: run "sync" if it's an external drive |
| 16:42.31 | mrwick | ` |
| 16:42.32 | yitz_ | Received disconnect from 127.0.0.1: 2: Too many authentication failures for jhl |
| 16:42.39 | yitz_ | Ooh. logs... brb |
| 16:42.41 | dacs | jelly: it is a USB stick |
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| 16:43.26 | RichiH | stew: hmm, hackish, but doable |
| 16:43.47 | jelly | RichiH: I'd use a single default file, though |
| 16:43.47 | jlt | Hello, I am trying to use kdm (from experimental) as my login manager but I do not have the full kde installed. It seems like kdm needs some file not included in the package. It says: GreeterPlugin classic does not exist |
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| 16:43.59 | jlt | Has someone else seen this and know a fix? |
| 16:44.19 | RichiH | jelly: in this one case, i can't |
| 16:44.29 | foetus | sounds like qt.. |
| 16:44.45 | RichiH | the target machine is amongst a hundred others which gets keys pushed by a script |
| 16:44.57 | RichiH | but it needs to be accessed from another machine, as well |
| 16:45.09 | jelly | RichiH: can't fix the tools not to overwrite the file? |
| 16:45.12 | fedya | how do i upgrade to the latest release? |
| 16:45.19 | jelly | RichiH: but replace their own old key? |
| 16:45.22 | RichiH | and i don't want to add the main rdns server to the stepping stone list just so i can auto-reload on rdns2 |
| 16:45.34 | aRahim | daniel2: try this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6900231 |
| 16:45.35 | OpenTokix | RichiH: I would just copy the secret key from a approved machine into theother machine |
| 16:45.37 | RichiH | jelly: 80/20 |
| 16:45.44 | aRahim | daniel2: might work in Debian |
| 16:46.19 | jelly | RichiH: as long as you're aware this will only work for two keys, and when a third one is added you'll need to do it the proper way |
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| 16:46.41 | dacs | jelly: abrotman that didn't help, as soon as i plug it in i loads that stupid menu |
| 16:46.41 | daniel2 | aRahim, hah, its failing cause its reading the system as amd64...I have 32bit libs installed though. |
| 16:46.43 | RichiH | jelly: yah, that is not a problem |
| 16:46.50 | RichiH | i'll do what stew suggested |
| 16:47.02 | stew | oh, monkeysphere doesn't add a authorized_keys, it replaces yours |
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| 16:48.57 | ninjaslim | i have two sound devices, an ATI HDMI and SND_HDA, the correct device is SND_HDA but even setting it as default doesns't help |
| 16:48.57 | ninjaslim | i don't get any sound |
| 16:48.57 | adama | !tell ninjaslim -about sound |
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| 16:49.06 | adama | ask dpkg about those things |
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| 16:49.41 | ninjaslim | adama: i've search all of those things |
| 16:50.07 | dacs | folks did anyone got rid of the stupid menu that comes on when you plug in a USB |
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| 16:50.22 | dominikh_ | !tell -about chroot |
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| 16:51.15 | adama | tell who? |
| 16:51.28 | Tenshi | hi |
| 16:51.28 | cahoot | ninjaslim: used asoundconf to define 'default'? |
| 16:51.30 | adama | dacs: what menu? |
| 16:51.56 | Azhrarn | argh, trying to upgrade my kernel (2.6.11), but new kernels need new libc6, but new libc6 needs the newer kernels. And lenny isn't playing nice about giving me a kernel that will work as a stopgap :( |
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| 16:52.44 | dacs | adama: when you buy a new USB stick, U3 is the menu , but this one is called iocell by castala |
| 16:52.48 | ni| | anyone good with packaging? |
| 16:53.13 | ni| | i need some help producing a binary packages |
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| 16:54.39 | adama | dacs: no idea |
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| 16:55.41 | adama | Azhrarn: upgrade the kernel and libc6 at the same time? |
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| 16:56.10 | Azhrarn | I tried, libc6 will fail out if you're not already on a compatible kernel |
| 16:56.18 | stabuck33 | hi, i got an 1 TB SATA harddisk, but debian thinks its an IDE. is this normal, can i do something about it? |
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| 16:56.37 | Azhrarn | it gives a warning about grabbing a kernel from lenny, rebooting, and trying again |
| 16:57.03 | adama | stabuck33: there may be a setting in your bios about that |
| 16:57.39 | D4T | is it still recommended to have a swap partition when running a software raid5? If so, what kinda swap vs total volume size ratio? |
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| 16:58.02 | OpenTokix | D4T: you put your swap outside the raid |
| 16:58.13 | OpenTokix | D4T: put one swap partition on each drive, kernel will do the round robin on the drives |
| 16:58.20 | stabuck33 | adama: but all the other hd's are recognized as SATA... :( |
| 16:58.24 | jelly | D4T: you mean, swap vs. total RAM size ratio? |
| 16:58.34 | D4T | OpenTokix: ok |
| 16:58.39 | D4T | jelly: if thats how it works? :D |
| 16:58.45 | Adrian` | 2 gigs :O |
| 16:58.55 | adama | D4T: do you mean swap, or spare raid drive? |
| 16:58.59 | D4T | swap |
| 16:59.13 | jelly | OpenTokix: when one drive fails that system will panic |
| 16:59.13 | adama | ok |
| 16:59.14 | markw_ | is beating on his raid subsys. |
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| 16:59.27 | D4T | say I had 4GB of RAM, how much swap? |
| 16:59.37 | markw_ | my raid 1 rebuild gets to like 15% and starts over. :( |
| 16:59.40 | Adrian` | what areyou using it for? |
| 16:59.46 | joltcan | D4T: I go with equal to, or double |
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| 16:59.56 | jelly | D4T: I'd put in the same, not more |
| 17:00.11 | D4T | jelly: ok cool |
| 17:00.21 | markw_ | I mdadm marked the spare as faulty, removed it, then re-added it, now I've hit 20% rebuild, fingers crossed. |
| 17:00.27 | D4T | ty all |
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| 17:01.01 | dacs | abrotman: jelly : so just forget it |
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| 17:01.55 | jelly | can't remember what he was supposed to forget |
| 17:02.15 | zxd__ | your program is hacked |
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| 17:03.02 | jlt | Is there a way to search the experimental packages for files |
| 17:03.04 | jlt | ? |
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| 17:05.37 | ninjaslim | cahoot: yes i have |
| 17:05.43 | ninjaslim | cahoot: it doesn't work though |
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| 17:06.09 | cahoot | ninjaslim: in that case I'd try blacklist the module the ati hdmi uses |
| 17:06.26 | stabuck33 | lspci: 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [IDE mode] |
| 17:06.31 | stabuck33 | sorry |
| 17:06.36 | cahoot | ninjaslim: or give the hda-intel option 0 |
| 17:06.51 | ninjaslim | cahoot: i see aright |
| 17:06.51 | cahoot | ninjaslim: err index 0 |
| 17:06.51 | Azhrarn | can anyone point me in the direction of a 686 .18 kernel? This libc6 issue is being unusually ornery about not letting me work around it :/ |
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| 17:08.31 | solars | hey, I've disconnected my mouse and now the device is /dev/input/event5 instead of /dev/input/event0 in xorg.conf, does anyone know how to fix this on the fly? |
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| 17:10.33 | matt7676 | hello, is it possible to resize a filesystem without unmounting it first? |
| 17:10.39 | maligor | solars, lenny? |
| 17:10.47 | cahoot | ninjaslim: also remove the ~/.asoundrc* asoundconf created |
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| 17:10.54 | solars | aeh, unstable :) |
| 17:11.00 | maligor | solars, the lazy solution is to switch to using input hotplug |
| 17:11.19 | maligor | the persistent rules are in /etc/udev/rules.d tho |
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| 17:11.28 | solars | I thought I'd use an udev rule for it, but I want to get my mouse back to do it :) haha |
| 17:11.44 | maligor | 60-persistent-input.rules |
| 17:11.56 | solars | alright I'll do it that way, thank you |
| 17:11.59 | maligor | I've used input hotplug myself for a while now |
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| 17:12.09 | solars | maligor, I'm not familar with that.. |
| 17:12.25 | maligor | just don't configure it in xorg.conf :P |
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| 17:12.32 | maligor | it'll automatically connect input devices |
| 17:12.45 | grub | ops, DangerousGirl[ic is an on-join spam bot |
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| 17:12.49 | solars | maligor, oh, so it's an option? and what is the drawback? |
| 17:13.03 | solars | or why not to use it |
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| 17:13.13 | maligor | well.. one drawback might be that if you want to change keyboard layout, atm you have to modify the hal rules |
| 17:13.23 | maligor | it doesn't read system settings for it anywhere and it defaults to US |
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| 17:13.50 | hallowname | grub: thats the first time ive ever seen an on-join spam bot... purify freenode! :P |
| 17:14.12 | grub | heh |
| 17:14.17 | solars | maligor, ah I understand |
| 17:14.21 | maligor | /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-x11-input.fdi |
| 17:14.28 | maligor | that file defines input hotplug policy |
| 17:14.47 | solars | maligor, and how does the udev persistant rule work? I mean, I thought I'd just add my own rulefile |
| 17:14.49 | LZNPDE | whats the best way to scan hard drives for problems |
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| 17:15.39 | maligor | solars, hmm.. actually I'm not sure, I've only modified network persistent rules |
| 17:15.58 | solars | ah okay |
| 17:16.04 | solars | well I'll ask google about it :) |
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| 17:16.30 | maligor | not going to join the hotplug parade, eh :P |
| 17:16.52 | solars | maligor, I'm familar with udev, so that would be easier for me I guess :P lazy way out ... heh |
| 17:16.52 | jpinx | LZNPDE: fsck ? |
| 17:16.57 | ajavid | good morning |
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| 17:17.54 | maligor | solars, well, the hotplug will pretty much work if you remove input stuff from xorg.conf, you can set the keyboard language in the 10-x11-input.fdi |
| 17:18.20 | shafu | any tool similar to chkconfig debian? |
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| 17:18.48 | solars | maligor, maligor hm I have no such file |
| 17:18.58 | stew | solars: /msg dpkg red hat tools |
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| 17:19.20 | maligor | cp /usr/share/doc/hal/examples/10-x11-input.fdi /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-x11-input.fdi |
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| 17:19.35 | maligor | I configured it so long ago didn't realize it wasn't default :P |
| 17:19.36 | ajavid | oh yeah, its afternoon |
| 17:19.45 | solars | maligor, ah, thanks :) |
| 17:20.21 | shafu | msg dpkg red hat tools |
| 17:20.25 | solars | maligor, ok, still no such file there haha :) |
| 17:20.27 | jpinx | ajavid: morning here |
| 17:20.34 | ajavid | !dpkg.web.search |
| 17:20.34 | dpkg | from memory, dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 17:20.36 | maligor | solars, you don't have hal installed? |
| 17:20.45 | ajavid | pretty useful, thanks to stew |
| 17:20.46 | solars | maligor, probably, but one sec |
| 17:20.54 | ajavid | I have it open in a tab at all times |
| 17:21.05 | ajavid | much faster than IRC, though I wonder |
| 17:21.14 | solars | maligor, I'm reading that it's also possible to use Name of the appropriate device, and it is persistent (in xorg.conf I guess) |
| 17:21.17 | ajavid | stew, how often do you sync vireo.org with dpkg's db? |
| 17:21.29 | solars | maligor, output of 'devices' |
| 17:21.31 | stew | nightly |
| 17:21.34 | ajavid | cool |
| 17:21.41 | maligor | solars, yeah, I know |
| 17:22.03 | maligor | solars, but it means you have to change it if you change keyboards |
| 17:22.04 | solars | maligor, so does that work too? |
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| 17:22.15 | stew | well morningly utc |
| 17:22.19 | solars | maligor, ah, so it's a hardcoded device id |
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| 17:22.24 | ajavid | once a day |
| 17:22.27 | n0nsense | hi there |
| 17:22.31 | ajavid | hola |
| 17:22.40 | n0nsense | is there any way to autogenerate xorg.conf? |
| 17:22.43 | ajavid | yes |
| 17:22.46 | n0nsense | great |
| 17:22.48 | n0nsense | :) |
| 17:22.49 | ajavid | n0nsense, /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 17:22.53 | maligor | solars, well, iirc there's a bunch of ways to address devices, but none of them are generic |
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| 17:23.06 | solars | maligor, hm yeah, of course |
| 17:23.11 | ajavid | n0nsense, there is also an X -configure |
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| 17:23.19 | ajavid | n0nsense, what exactly is the problem you're facing? |
| 17:23.19 | maligor | solars, like you can refer to it by connected bus, device or the name of the device |
| 17:23.43 | maligor | the hotplug stuff work on hal's generic matching stuff |
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| 17:23.50 | n0nsense | ajavid: I just have an old graphics-card with vga-output on my debian-box |
| 17:23.51 | maligor | plug in any keyboard or mouse and it'll connect it to X |
| 17:24.01 | ajavid | n0nsense, lenny? |
| 17:24.06 | n0nsense | ajavid: lenny. |
| 17:24.20 | ajavid | n0nsense, just regen a clean xorg.conf with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:24.28 | ajavid | n0nsense, you should have a work X automagically |
| 17:24.31 | ajavid | working* |
| 17:24.42 | ajavid | n0nsense, which card is it? |
| 17:24.48 | n0nsense | ati rage something |
| 17:24.56 | ajavid | yeh, you're fine |
| 17:25.21 | maligor | for a limited value of 'fine' :P |
| 17:25.23 | n0nsense | ajavid: |
| 17:25.26 | ajavid | yessir |
| 17:25.28 | n0nsense | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro Ultra TF |
| 17:25.32 | n0nsense | grml |
| 17:25.33 | n0nsense | sorry |
| 17:25.38 | n0nsense | ssh lag |
| 17:25.45 | ajavid | vesa will work just as well as 'radeon' |
| 17:25.55 | maligor | rage uses radeon? |
| 17:25.59 | ajavid | doesn't it? |
| 17:26.04 | ajavid | no |
| 17:26.15 | ajavid | no hang on thats the 128k something weirdo name driver |
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| 17:26.38 | ajavid | r128 |
| 17:26.51 | n0nsense | ajavid: the problem I have is following: I like 1280x1024 as resolution, not the awful 1024x786 crap |
| 17:27.03 | ajavid | n0nsense, are you in X atm? |
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| 17:27.19 | n0nsense | ajavid: my sister is, I'm sitting at another computer |
| 17:27.33 | n0nsense | if I use 1280x1024 as resolution, my monitor tells me |
| 17:27.42 | ajavid | on the sis's computer, run xrandr -q, look at listed supported modes |
| 17:27.47 | dec3pti0n | is it bad to have the kernel.shmmax to something like half available memory ? I know some linux server distros has that as unlimited |
| 17:28.13 | dec3pti0n | right now it's set to only 2gb and the box has 32GB of ram |
| 17:28.13 | ajavid | n0nsense, out of range? |
| 17:28.47 | solars | maligor, sorry, phone, yeah right |
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| 17:29.50 | n0nsense | ajavid: |
| 17:29.50 | n0nsense | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768 |
| 17:29.52 | n0nsense | weird |
| 17:30.07 | ajavid | n0nsense, ok, lets do something |
| 17:30.13 | ajavid | n0nsense, do you konw how to edit xorg.conf? |
| 17:30.18 | n0nsense | yep |
| 17:30.36 | ajavid | n0nsense, 1) use cvt (man cvt) generate a modeline for your desired resolution put it in Monitor section in xorg.conf |
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| 17:30.53 | maligor | you might want to make sure it's using the r128 driver too |
| 17:31.02 | ajavid | n0nsense, 2) create subsection display in section screen, and put in just 1 res you desire |
| 17:31.06 | maligor | vesa on older cards might have limits |
| 17:31.14 | ajavid | n0nsense, 3) in the device section, specify driver "r128" |
| 17:31.27 | n0nsense | okay... let's give it a try |
| 17:31.29 | ajavid | n0nsense, save, restart X, shoudl do the trick |
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| 17:32.01 | n0nsense | ajavid: |
| 17:32.02 | n0nsense | erwin:~# cvt 1280 1024 60 |
| 17:32.04 | n0nsense | like this? |
| 17:32.23 | ajavid | i can't quite recall |
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| 17:32.51 | ajavid | yeh thats it |
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| 17:33.28 | n0nsense | ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS |
| 17:33.33 | ajavid | :) |
| 17:33.34 | n0nsense | grml |
| 17:33.39 | ajavid | 01:29 Ignorance List: |
| 17:33.39 | ajavid | 01:29 1 *: CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS |
| 17:33.47 | ajavid | try this to remain sane |
| 17:33.55 | n0nsense | :-) |
| 17:34.07 | n0nsense | well... |
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| 17:34.20 | n0nsense | JOINS PARTS QUITS is quite enough, I think |
| 17:34.24 | ajavid | heh |
| 17:34.32 | ajavid | I dont' care who joins or sets modes or kicks or bans or changes nicks |
| 17:34.39 | ajavid | if i can't nick complete, I don't worry about it |
| 17:34.43 | n0nsense | :-) |
| 17:34.46 | ajavid | and I only see people chatting |
| 17:34.51 | ajavid | no garbage messages in my chats |
| 17:34.57 | n0nsense | true |
| 17:34.59 | ajavid | I can't fucking stand garbage text |
| 17:35.06 | n0nsense | neither |
| 17:35.14 | ajavid | anyway, go fix your X |
| 17:35.17 | ajavid | :) |
| 17:35.17 | n0nsense | yep |
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| 17:36.22 | ix | huh, I should've done that ignore thing years ago |
| 17:36.29 | ajavid | hmm |
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| 17:36.54 | ajavid | "we have just folded space from IX. Many machines on IX... new machines..." |
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| 17:37.20 | n0nsense | hm... |
| 17:37.28 | ajavid | ix, it is very useful |
| 17:37.38 | n0nsense | tries to restart X |
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| 17:38.46 | launch12345 | Hi all, I have an out of range problem for the screen on xorg, ive pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf but i only see Configured Display but i dont see the horizontal and vertical things.. where is the file with that? or how to reconfigure xorg? i have lenny |
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| 17:39.15 | n0nsense | uhm... |
| 17:39.17 | n0nsense | weird |
| 17:39.19 | ajavid | ahh boy |
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| 17:39.21 | ajavid | n0nsense, what? |
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| 17:39.38 | n0nsense | it shows me 1152x864 |
| 17:39.41 | ajavid | launch12345, this is the correct file |
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| 17:39.50 | ajavid | n0nsense, is that the max you can do ? |
| 17:39.57 | n0nsense | ajavid: dunno |
| 17:40.05 | launch12345 | ajavid i dont see the horizontal and vertical |
| 17:40.07 | ajavid | google your monitor specs |
| 17:40.09 | n0nsense | 1280 worked fine in past |
| 17:40.12 | ajavid | launch12345, you have to put those in |
| 17:40.34 | DavidProck1981 | how can i use debian 5 live cd to mount a reiserfs partition /dev/hda2 /path |
| 17:40.34 | ajavid | launch12345, but actually hang on, which card? |
| 17:40.40 | n0nsense | ajavid: my monitor supports 1280x1024 |
| 17:40.43 | n0nsense | thats no problem |
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| 17:40.57 | ajavid | n0nsense, hmm weird, consult /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:41.13 | launch12345 | ajavid is there a dpkg-reconfigure for xorg or something |
| 17:41.16 | n0nsense | damn dumb ssh latency >.< |
| 17:41.17 | ajavid | !drxx |
| 17:41.17 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 17:41.25 | launch12345 | thanks ajavid! |
| 17:41.26 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know ? |
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| 17:41.43 | ajavid | DavidProck1981, hmm |
| 17:41.49 | DavidProck1981 | how can i use debian 5 live cd to mount a reiserfs partition /dev/hda2 /path |
| 17:41.49 | ajavid | I have NEVER used the debian live cd |
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| 17:42.07 | ajavid | but I am guessing that reiserfs kernel module is loaded by stock kernel |
| 17:42.18 | n0nsense | well... I have an idea where it might come from |
| 17:42.19 | DavidProck1981 | its saying permision denied |
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| 17:42.31 | ajavid | and if so, then simply mount -t reiserfs /stuff/to/mount /mount/point/here |
| 17:42.35 | n0nsense | I configured the hsync/vsync by hand |
| 17:42.41 | n0nsense | maybe thats the problem |
| 17:43.01 | ajavid | n0nsense, my instructions were for a cleanly system generated xorg.conf by lenny |
| 17:43.04 | ajavid | without any user modifcations |
| 17:43.08 | n0nsense | okay |
| 17:43.12 | n0nsense | I regenerate one |
| 17:43.30 | n0nsense | ajavid: sorry |
| 17:43.33 | ajavid | DavidProck1981, what command are yo uusing, and what is your error message |
| 17:43.35 | ajavid | n0nsense, np mate |
| 17:43.58 | ajavid | n0nsense, just keep the file as is and remove the pieces you don't need, or regen it again, clean, and just do what I said, in 3 steps |
| 17:44.03 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
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| 17:44.48 | DavidProck1981 | was fogering the -t |
| 17:45.03 | ajavid | DavidProck1981, skim over 'man mount' |
| 17:45.17 | DavidProck1981 | lol @ my typo |
| 17:45.35 | ajavid | btw |
| 17:45.39 | ajavid | I was born in 1981 |
| 17:45.46 | DavidProck1981 | hehe |
| 17:45.48 | ajavid | had my birthday last week on the 12th ;) |
| 17:45.57 | DavidProck1981 | jan 15 |
| 17:46.03 | Akufen | me too actually |
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| 17:46.20 | ajavid | actually there is a #debian-chat if you'd like to join and chit chat there |
| 17:46.30 | ajavid | try to keep #debian for support only |
| 17:46.35 | DavidProck1981 | who me? |
| 17:46.38 | ajavid | anyone |
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| 17:46.59 | n0nsense | oh my god |
| 17:47.05 | ajavid | n0nsense, it works? |
| 17:47.08 | ajavid | or more problems? |
| 17:47.15 | matt7676 | is it possible to resize a filesystem over ssh? |
| 17:47.15 | ajavid | crosses his fingers |
| 17:47.24 | n0nsense | ajavid: the file is very small |
| 17:47.29 | ajavid | matt7676, if you unmount it first |
| 17:47.36 | n0nsense | it does not contain much informations :/ |
| 17:47.37 | ajavid | n0nsense, lenny xorg does stuff automatically |
| 17:47.47 | n0nsense | ah, okay |
| 17:47.53 | ajavid | n0nsense, in fact, rumor has it that in the next debian release there wont' even be an xorg.conf |
| 17:48.00 | ajavid | won't that be something |
| 17:48.11 | n0nsense | sounds nice... :) |
| 17:48.12 | ajavid | though people can still use one if they desire |
| 17:48.12 | matt7676 | ajavid: but is it absolutely necessery to unmount it first? ssh would not work if i unmount it first, would it? |
| 17:48.26 | ajavid | matt7676, you can't fuck with a FS if its still mounted |
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| 17:48.43 | ajavid | to scan it, resize it, format it whatever, you have to make sure the FS is not mounted or in use |
| 17:48.46 | matt7676 | ajavid: ok, thank you |
| 17:48.49 | n0nsense | I think you already can entirely replace it with evdev... isn't it? |
| 17:48.49 | ajavid | linux will give a warning |
| 17:49.24 | ajavid | n0nsense, dunno that much details |
| 17:49.28 | ajavid | n0nsense, im still a noob |
| 17:49.32 | rarar_ | ajavid: what's the whole thing with that rumor? |
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| 17:49.58 | ajavid | rarar_, I heard it from the prev xorg maintainer or maybe he is still current, I dunno |
| 17:50.03 | ajavid | rarar_, gravity told me |
| 17:50.20 | ajavid | day before yesterday I think |
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| 17:50.32 | ajavid | I could grep logs but im lazy |
| 17:50.35 | n0nsense | ajavid: I just heard something like that from some archlinux wiki article or similar |
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| 17:50.47 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.56 | ajavid | its with the new xorg, its much better now |
| 17:51.00 | ajavid | requiring hardly any config |
| 17:51.05 | gravity | It's true |
| 17:51.14 | gravity | Although we're not there yet, even in experimental |
| 17:51.22 | ajavid | it will be a while |
| 17:51.28 | gravity | Well, not so long. |
| 17:51.32 | b1f30_w0rk | all: installed empathy, which came with a bunch of other dependencies. purged empathy, want to get rid of dependencies too. aptitude ___ ? |
| 17:51.39 | ajavid | gravity, to clarify, you are currently working on Xorg? |
| 17:51.41 | ajavid | in debian? |
| 17:51.53 | ajavid | or you were working on it before and not anymore? |
| 17:51.53 | gravity | ajavid: I was. I'm not really right now, although I am following it. |
| 17:51.53 | rarar_ | ajavid: well if the vendors wouldn't break my xorg config from time to time it wouldn't be that much of a problem |
| 17:51.58 | ajavid | ahh ok |
| 17:52.05 | gravity | ajavid: You can whois me and look in the changelogs for my name |
| 17:52.16 | gravity | But it's been a while since I did anything substantial |
| 17:52.17 | ajavid | i see |
| 17:52.41 | gravity | rarar_: That's really more upstream than vendors |
| 17:53.11 | ajavid | b1f30_w0rk, come again? |
| 17:53.19 | ajavid | !empathy |
| 17:53.29 | hark | b1f30_w0rk: did you install it via aptitude? |
| 17:53.37 | b1f30_w0rk | ajavid: i did: aptitude install empathy |
| 17:53.51 | b1f30_w0rk | pulled down empathy, and a whole buch of deps. want to get rid of deps as well as empathy. |
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| 17:54.01 | ajavid | dpkg empathy is Empathy consists of a rich set of reusable instant messaging widgets, and a GNOME client using those widgets @ http://live.gnome.org/Empathy |
| 17:54.01 | dpkg | ajavid: I think you lost me on that one |
| 17:54.12 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 17:54.24 | ajavid | b1f30_w0rk, aptitude keeps alog of all that was done |
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| 17:54.41 | ajavid | b1f30_w0rk, also, it should automatically handle removing deps and recommends and etc. |
| 17:54.50 | ajavid | b1f30_w0rk, what exactly is th eproblem you are having? |
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| 17:55.47 | n0nsense | ajavid: error |
| 17:55.49 | b1f30_w0rk | ajavid: i did: aptitude --purge remove empathy, but it only got rid of empathy, not all the other deps |
| 17:56.22 | b1f30_w0rk | ajavid: i'm trying to keep my box slim and lean - no extra cruft |
| 17:56.28 | ajavid | b1f30_w0rk, hm. apt-cache depends empathy and then just aptitude remove (copy and paste the list there) |
| 17:56.28 | n0nsense | ajavid: http://sprunge.us/XGfU |
| 17:56.34 | ajavid | I can't think right now *sigh* |
| 17:57.06 | ajavid | can't find driver ? is that what that is? r128 |
| 17:57.16 | ajavid | n0nsense, change r128 to vesa for a sec try again |
| 17:57.20 | hark | b1f30_w0rk: it's just aptitude purge empathy, that's for apt-get |
| 17:57.22 | n0nsense | okay |
| 17:57.32 | ajavid | hark, ? |
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| 17:57.43 | ajavid | oh his aptitude command |
| 17:57.48 | ajavid | i see it |
| 17:58.16 | n0nsense | ajavid: the monitor is still unhappy |
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| 17:59.32 | n0nsense | the OSD says it's getting 1280x1024@43 Hz but I should use 1280x1024@60 Hz |
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| 18:00.24 | oz123 | hi everyone, can someone help me resolve a non booting machine with ldap installed ? I've seen many bug reports related to ldap+udev, and I'm stuck with this... |
| 18:00.27 | ajavid | hm |
| 18:00.31 | ajavid | n0nsense, xrandr |
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| 18:01.01 | ajavid | n0nsense, what does that report? does it also say 43hz |
| 18:01.12 | oz123 | Basically I followed this guide http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/585, but yesterday my machine started behaving wierd |
| 18:01.25 | n0nsense | ajavid: I could install xserver-xorg-video-r128 |
| 18:01.30 | n0nsense | maybe that would help? |
| 18:01.40 | ajavid | yeh |
| 18:01.50 | ajavid | I would have figured it should install automatically with xorg |
| 18:01.55 | n0nsense | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.10 | ajavid | afaik all the *xorg-video* packages(drivers) are isntall with xorg |
| 18:02.25 | n0nsense | hm... |
| 18:02.26 | n0nsense | well |
| 18:02.26 | ajavid | if its not installed then install it |
| 18:02.33 | n0nsense | I'll install it by hand |
| 18:02.37 | ajavid | but see |
| 18:02.47 | ajavid | if it couldn't find the driver, it would have said so |
| 18:02.58 | n0nsense | uhm |
| 18:03.03 | n0nsense | weird |
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| 18:03.06 | n0nsense | it is installed |
| 18:03.08 | ajavid | something like fatal server error can't find module not loaded some crap i dunno |
| 18:03.09 | n0nsense | according to apt |
| 18:03.17 | ajavid | yeh i figured it would be, comes with xorg |
| 18:03.20 | n0nsense | hm... |
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| 18:07.59 | n0nsense | ajavid: |
| 18:08.01 | n0nsense | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 1280 x 1024 |
| 18:08.18 | n0nsense | at least it tells me 1280x1024 as maximum now :D |
| 18:08.26 | ajavid | heh |
| 18:08.28 | ajavid | good stuff |
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| 18:08.57 | andrewax | Hi! Free Saudations! |
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| 18:09.41 | andrewax | some1 here has experience with LDAP? |
| 18:09.46 | andrewax | or OpenLDAP? |
| 18:10.05 | anon_ | yeah |
| 18:10.40 | andrewax | hi] |
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| 18:10.51 | n0nsense | ajavid: the other shit still doesn't work :( |
| 18:11.11 | ajavid | I give up! |
| 18:11.19 | ajavid | i had 2 hours of sleep last night |
| 18:11.29 | ajavid | been up since 7 |
| 18:11.33 | ajavid | im pooped out |
| 18:11.57 | n0nsense | okay :) |
| 18:12.01 | amimusa | hello, i am trying to set up dovecot. if i use the hostname of my ISP (pakox.xen.prgmr.com) it works fine, but when i want to set the domain tatokao.com i get a delivery error |
| 18:12.11 | amimusa | pop.tatokao.com.86400INA64.62.205.227 |
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| 18:12.33 | corpix | hi |
| 18:12.40 | amimusa | pakox.xen.prgmr.com.3600INA64.62.205.227 |
| 18:13.01 | amimusa | please, anybody knows if i am skipping some thing ? thanks in advance for your time |
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| 18:13.54 | corpix | i am using netboot on my server and apt-mirror locally because i install several boxes and want so save bandwidth, the question ist, where i can set a default mirror in the initrd.gz (from netboot.tar.gz), I can't find the mirros there, which will generate the sources.list during the installation i guess. |
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| 18:14.11 | jak3 | hi |
| 18:14.24 | jak3 | im doing an transfet ftp via cmd , but not showing in the log 150 opening ascii mode data connecction for file.txt what can be the issue :/ ? :/ :/ :/ |
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| 18:18.09 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 18:19.23 | n0nsense | fuck xorg >.< |
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| 18:19.53 | dury | I wanna download the lenny iso image 32bit for my core 2 duo... install via internet |
| 18:20.08 | andrewax | and... |
| 18:20.23 | ajavid | n0nsense, don't lose hope |
| 18:20.32 | dury | can someone drive me to the url to download it |
| 18:20.43 | ajavid | !d-i dury |
| 18:20.44 | dpkg | dury, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/. |
| 18:21.06 | ajavid | dury, get the netinst iso |
| 18:21.16 | ajavid | !tell dury -about ig |
| 18:21.44 | corpix | ah ok, i need preseed |
| 18:21.50 | corpix | nm, helped myself |
| 18:22.16 | gravity | n0nsense: Can you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin or something similar so we can see it? |
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| 18:22.32 | dury | ajavid: but for core 2 duo |
| 18:22.47 | ajavid | yeh, i38 |
| 18:22.52 | ajavid | yeh, i386 is fine for you |
| 18:22.55 | starbuck33 | has somebody experiences with both ftp server, protpd and vsftpd? how big is the speed difference between those two?? |
| 18:23.03 | starbuck33 | proftpd |
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| 18:23.13 | ajavid | I prefer vs |
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| 18:23.36 | ajavid | I use vs only, never used pro so I can't compare, but I read the features of vs, and it suited me |
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| 18:23.53 | ajavid | starbuck33, its known as very secure/speedy ftpd |
| 18:24.08 | stew | starbuck33: i can't imagine that there is a noticable speed difference |
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| 18:24.15 | stew | ftp is slow no matter what you are doing |
| 18:24.23 | sylar | hi |
| 18:24.25 | starbuck33 | ajavid: yes, i heared of that, but also u cant have symbolic links in ur directory |
| 18:24.26 | sylar | is there a gui for encryption? |
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| 18:24.38 | sylar | for gpg |
| 18:24.42 | ajavid | in vsftpd? sure you can, I think |
| 18:24.44 | sylar | or some pk? |
| 18:24.50 | starbuck33 | stew: what is faster then? i think its the fastest way to share files in a LAN or Intranet |
| 18:25.10 | stew | starbuck33: cifs,nfs,http |
| 18:25.12 | ajavid | starbuck33, nfs? |
| 18:25.34 | andrewax | nfs = network filesystem |
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| 18:25.45 | ajavid | I wasn't asking :) |
| 18:25.56 | stew | starbuck33: ftp is a protocol the predates the internet. it was designed in the 70s, its past its prime |
| 18:25.58 | starbuck33 | hehe :) |
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| 18:26.05 | spacepluk | sylar: nautilus right click |
| 18:26.14 | spacepluk | sylar: and seahorse to manage your keys |
| 18:26.23 | gravity | sylar: seahorse |
| 18:26.35 | gravity | damn, too slow |
| 18:26.45 | spacepluk | gravity: :D |
| 18:27.07 | starbuck33 | ajavid: nfs - it is it the fastest between linux and windows as well? |
| 18:27.33 | ajavid | no, you'd be hard pressed to find a windows free nfs client |
| 18:27.39 | ajavid | starbuck33, with windows in the mix, cifs |
| 18:27.40 | n0nsense | gravity: wait... |
| 18:27.53 | ajavid | starbuck33, smb etc. |
| 18:28.17 | whitehat | hello group. simple question. but I'm not a debian user. where I can find out the current version release of debian on a running install |
| 18:28.20 | stew | microsift ships a gratis nfs client |
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| 18:28.24 | starbuck33 | but thats the importatn thing to me... im looking for the fastest way to share files between all kinds of os (linux, windows, macos) |
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| 18:28.28 | ajavid | hmm, didn't know that |
| 18:28.41 | ajavid | is that with thier unix srvices for some crapola |
| 18:28.43 | ajavid | that thing? |
| 18:28.54 | gravity | whitehat: There's not a trivial answer to that, but the simplest answer is "cat /etc/debian-version" |
| 18:28.56 | stew | whitehat: try "lsb_release -a" or else check /etc/debian_version |
| 18:29.06 | spacepluk | starbuck33: ftp? :P |
| 18:29.08 | gravity | whitehat: A better, though still unsatisfying, answer is to look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:29.18 | n0nsense | spacepluk: sshfs :P |
| 18:29.19 | starbuck33 | spacepluk: LOL |
| 18:29.27 | n0nsense | likes sshfs |
| 18:29.28 | gravity | hadn't heard of lsb_release. Neath |
| 18:29.30 | spacepluk | lol |
| 18:29.31 | whitehat | gravity: ah! I was looking for something like that and I was in etc but didn't see it! thank you |
| 18:29.31 | gravity | neat even |
| 18:29.32 | ajavid | you know whats slow as balls? fuseftpfs |
| 18:29.33 | ajavid | :/ |
| 18:29.49 | spacepluk | n0nsense: he said the fastest :D |
| 18:29.52 | whitehat | stew: that's on that one also. didn't know about that one |
| 18:30.02 | gravity | stew++ |
| 18:30.03 | n0nsense | spacepluk: socat :D |
| 18:30.12 | spacepluk | lol |
| 18:30.14 | stew | gravity: its the one that would also should work on things like redhat, but *might* not be present on <= etch |
| 18:30.30 | stew | 'would also should'. nice, stew |
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| 18:30.40 | ajavid | lol |
| 18:30.41 | starbuck33 | so, should i have a look on nfs or stay with ftp? |
| 18:30.50 | ajavid | look at cifs if you have windows in the mix |
| 18:30.55 | ajavid | no windows, try nfs |
| 18:30.57 | gravity | :-) |
| 18:31.00 | stew | starbuck33: if you need to interoperate with windows, cifs (aka samba) is probably the way to go |
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| 18:31.37 | whitehat | stew: lsb_release works on deb and f10. :-) |
| 18:31.38 | ajavid | n0nsense, still waiting for the log file buddy |
| 18:31.38 | starbuck33 | stew: samba is easy for the windows user, but its lame afaik |
| 18:31.43 | HellMind | Anyone is using a ufw with a ftp server? |
| 18:31.45 | ajavid | starbuck33, lame? |
| 18:32.01 | ajavid | !nickometer starbuck33 |
| 18:32.03 | dpkg | 'starbuck33' is 37.000% lame, ajavid |
| 18:32.06 | ajavid | hm. |
| 18:32.30 | n0nsense | ajavid: http://sprunge.us/DaGY |
| 18:32.35 | n0nsense | gravity: same :) |
| 18:32.35 | ajavid | gravity, ^^ |
| 18:32.37 | stew | starbuck33: ftp is more lame |
| 18:32.39 | starbuck33 | ajavid: samba not as fast as ftp |
| 18:32.41 | stew | !ftpmustdie |
| 18:32.42 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 18:32.45 | amimusa | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.54 | stew | starbuck33: how did you measure that? |
| 18:32.57 | amimusa | http://rafb.net/p/F0FGSj55.html |
| 18:33.01 | amimusa | thanks in advance |
| 18:33.12 | gravity | looking |
| 18:33.29 | starbuck33 | stew: be feeling it?! ;) dunno, it was saved like this in my head |
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| 18:33.35 | ajavid | lol |
| 18:34.09 | ajavid | starbuck33, you know 1 square foot of aluminum foil in your kitchen, put it on your the back of pc, over your network cable |
| 18:34.17 | ajavid | starbuck33, ftp will go 5 times faster |
| 18:34.23 | gravity | n0nsense: What happens when you use the r128 driver? |
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| 18:34.40 | dkr | amimusa: that is an smtp error, you need to add the host to your smtp server configuration, not dovecot |
| 18:34.55 | starbuck33 | i'd erally like to see a benchmark which shows the speed of all thes things, ftp, smaba, nfs, httpd etc |
| 18:35.32 | stew | amimusa: whatever smtp server you have listening to port 25 says "550 relay not permitted" for "tatokao.com" |
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| 18:36.04 | starbuck33 | ajavid, thx for the hint, i really going to try it... maybe i can drill some holes into the cable to, so its cooled by air ;) |
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| 18:36.27 | ajavid | lol |
| 18:36.31 | ajavid | :) |
| 18:36.49 | dkr | starbuck33: that would make it very secure, too. air-gap firewall! |
| 18:36.53 | jintxo | su |
| 18:36.55 | amimusa | the smtp is gmal from my gmail account, i am trying pop3 server ... sorry if i have any confussion |
| 18:37.06 | ajavid | amimusa, dude imap! |
| 18:37.14 | ajavid | amimusa, fuck pop on gmail man, use impa |
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| 18:37.21 | eitan | Hello all. I'm having trouble getting debian to write to a NTFS drive. Can anyone help with this? |
| 18:37.30 | ajavid | eitan, how did you mount it? |
| 18:37.36 | ajavid | eitan, ntfs-3g I assume? |
| 18:37.38 | dkr | !tell eitan about ntfs-3g |
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| 18:37.41 | eitan | fstab... yes. |
| 18:37.48 | eitan | ajavid: yes... |
| 18:37.48 | starbuck33 | dkr: hehehe, true. we could also build in a little slope.. |
| 18:37.50 | ajavid | eitan, ntfs or ntfs-3g, which driver? |
| 18:37.56 | eitan | ajavid ntfs-3g |
| 18:38.01 | amimusa | btw, smtp server i set is smtp.tatokao.com that is |
| 18:38.02 | amimusa | smtp.tatokao.com.86400INA64.62.205.227 |
| 18:38.03 | ajavid | eitan, do what the bot told you in pmsg |
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| 18:38.20 | n0nsense | gravity: let me try again... some minutes ago it didnt work |
| 18:38.22 | spacepluk | starbuck33: do you really need the fastest protocol? |
| 18:38.29 | amimusa | i would like to make work pop3, after that i will try imap, thanks |
| 18:38.37 | ajavid | well if you're not on gb eth it probably doesn't matter whats the fastest |
| 18:38.44 | amimusa | i use gmail account to test my own pop and smtp server |
| 18:38.51 | ajavid | amimusa, ohhh |
| 18:38.57 | ajavid | ok then |
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| 18:39.03 | starbuck33 | spacepluk, yes, to share a lot of files at a LAN-party |
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| 18:39.25 | amimusa | the problem is with the domain, if i set the account with pakox.xen.prgmr,com that is the hostname of the server box, the tet mail is elivered |
| 18:39.28 | Sashi | anyone here have experience with torrentflux? |
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| 18:40.06 | starbuck33 | ajavid, i'm on gigabit, and why not get the most out of what's there |
| 18:40.14 | ajavid | word |
| 18:40.28 | ajavid | starbuck33, you've been advised. |
| 18:40.34 | n0nsense | WTH |
| 18:40.35 | ajavid | moving right along |
| 18:40.40 | n0nsense | *reboot* |
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| 18:40.52 | mib_jbrkzj | hi |
| 18:41.01 | gravity | reboot? |
| 18:41.19 | mib_jbrkzj | i've a problem with mysql, can you help me |
| 18:41.29 | n0nsense | reboot. nothing happens if I move the mouse or type stuff at the keyboard |
| 18:41.32 | spacepluk | mib_jbrkzj: maybe |
| 18:41.35 | n0nsense | ctrl-alt-f1 also doesn't work |
| 18:41.39 | mib_jbrkzj | ok thanks |
| 18:41.50 | gravity | n0nsense: What does that mean? Can you see the graphical login prompt? |
| 18:41.51 | mib_jbrkzj | i did a make of mysql source |
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| 18:41.53 | mib_jbrkzj | 5.1.32 |
| 18:41.57 | starbuck33 | all i wanted to know was what ist the fastest protocol to share files at a lan between all kinds of OS's... an i know as much as before... |
| 18:41.57 | mib_jbrkzj | make install |
| 18:42.03 | mib_jbrkzj | mysql in installed |
| 18:42.06 | n0nsense | gravity: no |
| 18:42.10 | n0nsense | I killed it :D |
| 18:42.13 | eitan | ajavid: it works... thanks. |
| 18:42.15 | gravity | n0nsense: What? |
| 18:42.18 | mib_jbrkzj | but the script mysql_install_db doesn't run |
| 18:42.20 | gravity | n0nsense: You're not being clean. |
| 18:42.21 | gravity | clear |
| 18:42.24 | n0nsense | I killed slim and X due to restart X |
| 18:42.28 | gparent | starbuck33: Bit torrent? |
| 18:42.34 | mib_jbrkzj | i've an error when i start it : 090319 15:44:06 [ERROR] /usr/local/mysql/libexec/mysqld: unknown option '--skip-federated' |
| 18:42.45 | gravity | n0nsense: I don't understand. |
| 18:42.52 | spacepluk | starbuck33: I haven't tried bittorrent on a LAN maybe it works :P |
| 18:42.53 | gparent | Then you have not only the server sharing, but all the other people who downloaded |
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| 18:43.09 | SPF | starbuck33: ftp gets about 40% out of gigabit. You could try loading data into memory to speed things up |
| 18:43.11 | gravity | n0nsense: You restarted your machine (which you didn't have to do btw) to test r128. Then what happened exactly? What do you see? |
| 18:43.15 | Amarande | so, what's the next version of Debian's name? :) |
| 18:43.18 | Mac247 | hi say i want to do a server install wat iso should i grab? |
| 18:43.18 | n0nsense | er |
| 18:43.25 | gravity | Amarande: Squeeze |
| 18:43.32 | ajavid | try magic sysrq |
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| 18:43.35 | n0nsense | gravity: I shut down X and slim to restart them |
| 18:43.41 | gravity | n0nsense: What is slim? |
| 18:43.43 | negge | I just got a new computer and I have a GeForce 9400GT card and a PAL TV hooked up to it with an s-video cable. Now, my problem is, how the hell do I disable overscan? I'm loosing atleast 20px on all sides because of this and there's no option for it in nvidia-settings. I tried Googling for more info about it and people are saying that the overscan option has been removed! |
| 18:43.47 | gparent | Mac247: A CD |
| 18:43.48 | negge | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.59 | n0nsense | gravity: the best graphical login manager in my point of view :D |
| 18:44.00 | mib_jbrkzj | when i try to start mysql : Starting MySQL.Manager of pid-file quit without updating file. failed! |
| 18:44.01 | ajavid | if you're stuck, learn about magic sysrq, stock kernel is built with that support I think |
| 18:44.07 | ajavid | !magic sysrq |
| 18:44.09 | gparent | Mac247: Whichever you need. It's the same iso for servers. |
| 18:44.12 | ajavid | !sysrq |
| 18:44.12 | dpkg | i guess sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt |
| 18:44.15 | Mac247 | ok thx |
| 18:44.20 | kull44 | hey guys im confused here (bash script) val1=baseball val2=hockey if [ $val1 \> $val2 ] then echo "$val1 is greater than $val2" wlaw wxho "$val1 is less than $val2" fi end of my script, and the result is: baseball is less than hockey????? how is that possible? shouldnt it be baseball is GREATER than hockey??? a > b = a is greater than b |
| 18:44.21 | starbuck33 | SPF: thx |
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| 18:44.22 | gravity | n0nsense: Does it bring you to a terminal login prompt then when X fails to start properly? |
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| 18:44.44 | spacepluk | mib_jbrkzj: sorry, I can't help... |
| 18:45.13 | Amarande | also, how are ATI cards doing in X on Debian these days? |
| 18:45.20 | ajavid | depends |
| 18:45.28 | SPF | starbuck33: it also depends on the hard drives you are using. But if you store the files in memory it will be much faster |
| 18:45.40 | ajavid | < r5xx is fantastic with 3d support natively in open drivers |
| 18:45.46 | OpenTokix | jelly: I don't think so -but I will try it |
| 18:46.10 | ajavid | r5xx is only doing 2d in debian, with 7.4xorg/experimental xorg atm, you can get 3d |
| 18:46.11 | mib_jbrkzj | yeah i think |
| 18:46.16 | n0nsense | gravity: just forget it |
| 18:46.21 | n0nsense | gravity: the point is |
| 18:46.22 | mib_jbrkzj | is there a mysql irc channel ? |
| 18:46.25 | n0nsense | X doesn't start |
| 18:46.26 | ajavid | r6xx/7xx do not have free 3d support yet anywhere afaik |
| 18:46.33 | amimusa | why could gmail relay to my server ? |
| 18:46.34 | ajavid | and r8x too |
| 18:46.38 | ajavid | r6/7/8 require fglrx |
| 18:46.44 | gravity | n0nsense: Ok. Great. Can you put the /var/log/Xorg.0.log from trying r128 up as well? |
| 18:46.47 | amimusa | do i need to set up something more ? |
| 18:46.54 | n0nsense | gravity: I can |
| 18:46.55 | ajavid | mib_jbrkzj, try it |
| 18:46.56 | amimusa | exim4 configuration matbe ? |
| 18:47.03 | amimusa | add the domain ?¿ |
| 18:47.06 | Amarande | yeah, I'm mostly wondering if fglrx still has those beautiful lock-hard on switch user and logout bugs |
| 18:47.07 | ajavid | #sql, #mysql |
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| 18:47.16 | ajavid | Amarande, #ati |
| 18:47.18 | starbuck33 | SPF: yes, ur right, im going to check difference between samba and ftp |
| 18:47.28 | ajavid | I don't use non-free I dunno |
| 18:47.47 | Amarande | the -free- drivers appeared to work just fine, except that I literally got zero FPS in 3D games. :) |
| 18:47.51 | amimusa | what do u use for not supported hw ajavid ? |
| 18:47.58 | ajavid | Amarande, which card? |
| 18:48.03 | Amarande | HD 3870 |
| 18:48.19 | ajavid | no free 3d for you. |
| 18:48.19 | gravity | Most hardware should be supported on ATI these days, although not sure about in stable |
| 18:48.31 | SPF | starbuck33: if you have 7200 rpm hdd's. samba is 24% and ftp 40% out of gigabit :) But you could test it again |
| 18:48.39 | ajavid | gravity, I just listed the supported ones in stable with free 3d |
| 18:48.51 | gravity | ah |
| 18:48.54 | amimusa | i'd like to get a usb modem, but any of current comercialized support GNU/Linux, this is disgusting, i just complaint to them, but not change my system |
| 18:48.55 | ajavid | gravity, >= r5xx chipset ati requires 7.4 |
| 18:48.58 | ajavid | for 3d |
| 18:49.02 | Amarande | that's probably the one most irritating thing about linux |
| 18:49.14 | Amarande | one is consistently punished for having up to date or nearly up to date hardware |
| 18:49.21 | n0nsense | gravity: |
| 18:49.23 | n0nsense | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.28 | starbuck33 | SPF: thank you very much, so i don't need to waste time with that :) |
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| 18:50.34 | SPF | starbuck33: it could differ on other systems though. So feel free to test it out |
| 18:50.39 | mib_jbrkzj | #mysql doesn't start |
| 18:50.41 | gravity | cute |
| 18:50.46 | mib_jbrkzj | i try #sql |
| 18:50.52 | gravity | n0nsense: Try to not use fbdev |
| 18:50.52 | ajavid | doesn't start? |
| 18:50.57 | ajavid | mib_jbrkzj, /join #mysql |
| 18:50.59 | sylar | seahorse and gpg take forever to generate me a keypair |
| 18:50.59 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.59 | ajavid | im there |
| 18:51.02 | n0nsense | gravity: ah, right |
| 18:51.16 | gravity | n0nsense: Although the best thing to do would be to mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.broken and see how that goes |
| 18:51.18 | ajavid | mib_jbrkzj, im in #mysql right now |
| 18:51.36 | mib_jbrkzj | yeah it don't start |
| 18:51.41 | ajavid | what? |
| 18:51.47 | mib_jbrkzj | i'm with mibbit |
| 18:51.47 | ajavid | I don't understand what that means |
| 18:51.52 | ajavid | whats a mibbit? |
| 18:51.55 | ajavid | irc client? |
| 18:51.59 | mib_jbrkzj | yes |
| 18:52.02 | ajavid | figure out yoru irc client then |
| 18:52.02 | mib_jbrkzj | web irc client |
| 18:52.10 | ajavid | oh, you're probably banned in there |
| 18:52.26 | ajavid | a lot of channels ban web based irc proxies |
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| 18:52.30 | mib_jbrkzj | :s |
| 18:52.37 | ajavid | unlucky. |
| 18:52.41 | n0nsense | gravity: thanks, seems to work |
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| 18:52.50 | gravity | n0nsense: Great. Glad to hear it. |
| 18:52.56 | mib_jbrkzj | i've to install xchat :D |
| 18:53.03 | gravity | fbdev. The bane of otherwise functional X servers. |
| 18:53.14 | n0nsense | :) |
| 18:53.22 | ajavid | irssi |
| 18:53.42 | ajavid | gravity, n0nsense, what did y'all do? |
| 18:54.06 | gravity | ajavid: Looked at his logfile with r128. Saw the mmio error. Saw that he was using fbdev. Told him to not use fbdev. Win. |
| 18:54.14 | ajavid | lol |
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| 18:54.19 | ajavid | word |
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| 18:54.25 | gravity | I don't know why people try to debug the X server without looking at the logfile. |
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| 18:54.34 | gravity | Doing otherwise is a waste of time |
| 18:54.40 | Amarande | !pkginfo xorg |
| 18:54.43 | Amarande | (what's the right command?) |
| 18:54.45 | ajavid | virtual pacakge |
| 18:54.47 | gparent | dkpg |
| 18:54.48 | gparent | ? |
| 18:54.52 | gravity | It's not virtual at all |
| 18:54.55 | gravity | It's a metapackage |
| 18:54.58 | ajavid | oh yeah |
| 18:54.59 | ajavid | my bad |
| 18:55.02 | ajavid | thats what I meant |
| 18:55.26 | ajavid | Amarande, apt-cache show xorg |
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| 18:55.58 | simonrvn | s/he meant: |
| 18:56.02 | simonrvn | !info xorg |
| 18:56.07 | dpkg | xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.3+18 (sid), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 18:56.09 | ajavid | oh for the bot |
| 18:56.23 | ajavid | Amarande, /msg dpkg info blah |
| 18:56.24 | ajavid | :) |
| 18:56.30 | simonrvn | duh, Amarande put ! in front ;) |
| 18:56.35 | n0nsense | gravity: 1400x1050 60.0* |
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| 18:56.40 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.41 | n0nsense | that's really weird now |
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| 18:56.47 | ajavid | oh yeah |
| 18:56.54 | ajavid | stew, what all can judd do? |
| 18:56.59 | ajavid | stew, where can I find out |
| 18:57.05 | themill | dpkg: tell ajavid about judd |
| 18:57.11 | ajavid | word |
| 18:57.23 | gravity | n0nsense: That's what you wanted though, right? |
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| 18:57.39 | ajavid | whats the j stand for" |
| 18:57.47 | ajavid | j ultimate debian database |
| 18:57.56 | stew | it doesn't |
| 18:57.58 | ajavid | oh |
| 18:58.08 | themill | java! |
| 18:58.10 | amimusa | if i send a mail from the box with mutt, works fine. now i also fixed to received mails with my mail client (evolution), the problem is still i can't send mails using my server, i get |
| 18:58.10 | n0nsense | gravity: no, I wanted 1280x1024. 1400x1050 looks er.... shitty :) |
| 18:58.11 | themill | hides |
| 18:58.11 | amimusa | 2009-03-19 19:53:33 H=56.red-81-36-246.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([192.168.1.34]) [81.36.246.56] F=<manou@tatokao.com> rejected RCPT <amimusa@gmail.com>: relay not permitted |
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| 18:58.22 | n0nsense | it looks awful on my screen |
| 18:58.24 | Amarande | Dang, no 7.4 xorg yet in Debian at all, then. |
| 18:58.32 | Amarande | I'm assuming that fglrx won't run properly without 7.4, too? |
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| 18:58.39 | stew | judd: versions xorg |
| 18:58.39 | ajavid | Amarande, yes it is, but NOT FOR jo0! |
| 18:58.40 | judd | stew: xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19 lenny: 1:7.3+18 sid: 1:7.3+18 squeeze: 1:7.3+18 experimental: 1:7.4~5 |
| 18:58.47 | amimusa | what i need to fix to allow send mails using my server with a mail client as evolution, please ? thanks in advance |
| 18:58.55 | Amarande | wait, there's something even more experimental than sid :) |
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| 18:59.03 | gravity | n0nsense: The server will pick the highest res by default because that's what most people want. Use xrandr to set the resolution you'd like |
| 18:59.11 | ajavid | Amarande, yeh, direct source from svn/git/cvs |
| 18:59.11 | ajavid | :) |
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| 18:59.13 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: it's experimental, but it's not something you actually run. |
| 18:59.14 | Amarande | I thought that was what sid was for :D |
| 18:59.14 | n0nsense | gravity: okay |
| 18:59.25 | amimusa | anybody understand my problem ? |
| 18:59.31 | gravity | n0nsense: The debian wiki has a HowToXrandr page that'll tell you a lot more |
| 18:59.34 | ajavid | thats even more advancerder than experimental |
| 18:59.50 | gravity | n0nsense: The wiki page has info on setting the resolution in your xorg.conf |
| 19:00.01 | gravity | So you don't have to use xrandr every time you log in |
| 19:00.22 | ajavid | culinary hypersensitivity... |
| 19:00.25 | ajavid | jeez |
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| 19:00.38 | ajavid | *afk* |
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| 19:00.58 | Amarande | is considering whether Debian might be a good idea at this point, or whether I really should wait for radeonhd support to catch up |
| 19:01.01 | n0nsense | gravity: thanks <3 |
| 19:01.22 | gravity | n0nsense: No problem. Enjoy your system. |
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| 19:01.49 | gravity | Amarande: Debian will probably be sticking with radeon by default instead of radeonhd, just so you know |
| 19:01.59 | gravity | Although it'll undoubtedly keep offering radeonhd |
| 19:02.02 | ajavid | radeonhd merger into radeon |
| 19:02.06 | n0nsense | gravity: I will :) |
| 19:02.10 | ajavid | I believe |
| 19:02.18 | ajavid | is what I heard fromt he radeonhd devs |
| 19:02.24 | n0nsense | I already upgraded RAM |
| 19:02.26 | ajavid | try #radeonhd :) |
| 19:02.31 | Amarande | I mean, with an HD 3870, is Debian really a good choice, or is it better to wait another couple years or so for ATI driver support to catch up :) |
| 19:02.44 | ajavid | Amarande, fglrx. |
| 19:02.51 | gravity | Interesting. I haven't been following radeonhd |
| 19:03.02 | n0nsense | so even xfce runs acceptable on my 500 MHz PIII :-D |
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| 19:03.16 | gravity | ponders internal xorg politics and goes back to waiting for his computer to run out of memory |
| 19:03.17 | belo | hello! |
| 19:03.30 | ajavid | hola |
| 19:03.42 | jair | xoz: hey I am sorry I was away from the channel. Thank you for the tip on the wpa_supplicant |
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| 19:04.19 | jair | xoz: so I can run that command against the configuration file (depending of the type of AC available) |
| 19:04.24 | n0nsense | gravity: one last thing... do you know something about the xfce-resolution dialog? |
| 19:04.34 | ajavid | n0nsense, it takes from xorg.conf |
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| 19:04.45 | whitehat | I'm back again. easiest way to do an "upgrade" from 4.0->5.0 from command line. thank you. |
| 19:04.48 | gravity | n0nsense: Nope, nothing |
| 19:04.54 | ajavid | afaik, if you have only one res specified there, it will show only one choice |
| 19:04.54 | n0nsense | I set up 1280x1024 with it and I wonder now if this is saved so I don't need to change something |
| 19:04.59 | gravity | n0nsense: I've never used xfce in my life |
| 19:05.01 | n0nsense | but I don't think sp |
| 19:05.09 | ajavid | gravity, what are you tender with? |
| 19:05.11 | ajavid | box wm? |
| 19:05.14 | ajavid | cli? |
| 19:05.16 | gravity | ajavid: Gnome |
| 19:05.21 | ajavid | argh! |
| 19:05.30 | gravity | Just plain old metacity works fine for me. My needs are few. |
| 19:05.40 | n0nsense | I like xfce best of the desktop environments |
| 19:05.46 | n0nsense | since it is actually tiny |
| 19:05.50 | ajavid | ever tried tritium |
| 19:05.58 | gravity | Plus it means that people other than me can use my computer when they need to, which I like. |
| 19:06.01 | n0nsense | but for myself, I need tiling |
| 19:06.05 | ajavid | its meeeneemaaal |
| 19:06.23 | n0nsense | I'm normally using dwm, wmii and stumpwm |
| 19:06.26 | gravity | I don't need much. devilspie and a little bit of gconf-editor make it fine for me. |
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| 19:06.40 | ajavid | is partial to KDE3.5.x |
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| 19:06.53 | simonrvn | i'm running sawfish svn in gnome. pretty nice. either that or openbox |
| 19:07.03 | ajavid | open box, that reminds me |
| 19:07.06 | ajavid | !seen Azar |
| 19:07.07 | dpkg | azar <i=macondo@h-66-166-120-11.lsanca54.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 67d 15h 18m 11s ago, saying: 'hehe, I wish'. |
| 19:07.09 | gravity | simonrvn: Is sawfish sstill being actively developed? |
| 19:07.10 | jeeves | what would the syntax be to rsync only the differences between 2 directories? I'm trying to update my portable MP3 drive. |
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| 19:07.13 | ajavid | whooey |
| 19:07.39 | CPUdestroyer | ajavid, what did you mean what to use as a virtual machine application |
| 19:07.50 | simonrvn | gravity: very much so, they released a new version just about a few weeks ago, sawfish.wikia.com |
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| 19:08.05 | gravity | simonrvn: Neat. One day I should try it again, now that I know at least a tiny bit of lisp |
| 19:08.06 | ajavid | CPUdestroyer, I meant that #debian-chat is not a place for support, and that I do not use virtualbox-ose and I am unable to help you |
| 19:08.14 | ajavid | CPUdestroyer, please ask your question here in full detail |
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| 19:09.02 | ajavid | CPUdestroyer, I personally use VMWARE workstation |
| 19:09.12 | ajavid | if that is what you wanted to know... |
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| 19:09.49 | CPUdestroyer | thanks for the answer, ajavid |
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| 19:10.35 | ajavid | CPUdestroyer, the reason I use vmware is becuase I need VM to have access to physical disks and not just virtual disks |
| 19:10.51 | n0nsense | gravity: what should I search for in wiki? |
| 19:10.52 | ajavid | CPUdestroyer, vbox-ose doesn't support that, so I chose to buy vmware instead of buying virtualbox |
| 19:11.08 | gravity | n0nsense: You can just google "debian wiki Xrandr" |
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| 19:11.36 | n0nsense | gravity: http://sprunge.us/JEES |
| 19:11.40 | n0nsense | that's my xorg.conf |
| 19:11.45 | simonrvn | buying vbox? what? why didn't you just get sun's .debs ? |
| 19:11.54 | ajavid | ? |
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| 19:12.06 | ajavid | I like vmware better |
| 19:12.06 | gravity | ok... |
| 19:12.29 | grdnerd | I had a drive fail out of a raid1 mirror, mdstat shows it correctly as offline, but the swap partition of the drive still shows up in /proc/swaps, tried swapoff /dev/sdg2 and got "swapoff: /dev/sdg2: No such device or address" |
| 19:12.32 | simonrvn | # VirtualBox non-free (closed source) |
| 19:12.34 | simonrvn | deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian lenny non-free |
| 19:12.35 | n0nsense | gravity: as you can read in the modes-part just |
| 19:12.36 | n0nsense | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.40 | n0nsense | is enabled |
| 19:13.03 | n0nsense | so I wondered why it takes this other resolution which is just looking awful at my monitor... |
| 19:13.06 | yziquel_ | hi. i have a mini-dinstall repository set up. using dput to upload a package works fine. but how do you remove a specific package? |
| 19:13.07 | simonrvn | n0nsense: "1280x1024" |
| 19:13.11 | ajavid | simonrvn, hmm |
| 19:13.17 | ajavid | didn't know that |
| 19:13.20 | ajavid | thanks |
| 19:13.29 | simonrvn | ajavid: they have others, check their site |
| 19:13.33 | n0nsense | simonrvn: I defined 1280x1024_75.0 in a mode-line |
| 19:13.43 | simonrvn | ah ok, np then |
| 19:13.44 | n0nsense | Modeline "1280x1024_75.00" 138.75 1280 1368 1504 1728 1024 1027 1034 1072 -hsync +vsync |
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| 19:14.58 | n0nsense | simonrvn: afaik, you need to give the name of the mode-line defined to the mode-block |
| 19:15.13 | ajavid | ok |
| 19:15.19 | simonrvn | yes, if you want to use it |
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| 19:15.56 | n0nsense | hm... |
| 19:16.11 | n0nsense | I could try "1280x1024 as a test... |
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| 19:16.52 | Amarande | simonrvn: you mean Sun's .deb's are actually made for, oh, DEBian? |
| 19:17.04 | ajavid | you konw |
| 19:17.06 | Amarande | most vendor devs I've seen floating around the web seem to be for Ubuntu instead *sigh* |
| 19:17.08 | ajavid | anyone can make debian pckages... |
| 19:17.19 | ajavid | oh in that sense, yes fucking ubuntu... |
| 19:17.21 | ajavid | ick. |
| 19:17.27 | Amarande | ajavid: yeah, but most folks who distribute in .deb target ubuntu instead of debian :( |
| 19:17.35 | simonrvn | Amarande: yeh ;) |
| 19:17.39 | Amarande | and yes, my sentiments exactly, wrt ubuntu |
| 19:17.51 | simonrvn | 'cause you know, it says "lenny" there ;) |
| 19:17.53 | Amarande | "Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'unusable OS.'" |
| 19:17.54 | spacepluk | I've just switched from ubuntu :P |
| 19:18.47 | yziquel_ | hi. anyone knows where i can find documentation on how to remove a package from a mini-dinstall repository? |
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| 19:18.58 | gravity | was very happy to see Amazon's MP3 downloader app packaged for Debian |
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| 19:19.49 | dkr | why would you need an app to download a file? |
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| 19:23.28 | n0nsense | Amarande: lol |
| 19:23.28 | badcfe | hello, is there any textual nntp reader? i just want to brows news from a nntp server. |
| 19:23.28 | dondelelcaro | badcfe: lots of them. see trn et al. |
| 19:23.29 | n0nsense | badcfe: slrn |
| 19:23.29 | yziquel_ | slrn? |
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| 19:23.35 | badcfe | so there are some nntp servers still right. well i founf a few and they work well but doesnt allow posting |
| 19:23.52 | badcfe | ill check out slrn then. so inn is a server? |
| 19:24.04 | dkr | badcfe: nntp was around before guis existed. :) |
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| 19:25.05 | badcfe | dkr: ofcourse. i just think its nice that the Net is not just about web sites and consuming info |
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| 19:25.32 | badcfe | dkr: cool if nntp is still in large use. |
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| 19:26.11 | tristanc | hello. since i upgraded to lenny, i can't get oo.o to start up. i haven't found anything particularly useful online. can anyone point me in a direction? |
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| 19:27.10 | Amarande | badcfe: sure it is, if you're interested in warez or porn |
| 19:27.17 | dkr | tristanc: what is the error? |
| 19:27.32 | sylar | is there a way to get random that doesn't rely on keyboard/mouse ? |
| 19:27.39 | Amarande | (and technically, most of the porn available via nntp isn't just porn, it's warezed porn ... heh) |
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| 19:27.56 | badcfe | Amarande: so most news are binary today huh? |
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| 19:28.02 | dkr | badcfe: nntp gateways are nifty, too. e.g. I check out linux-kernel and several other important high volume lists via gmane.org |
| 19:28.12 | badcfe | Amarande: but i think its used for good old news as well. |
| 19:28.30 | tristanc | well, the splash screen quits when the progress bar gets about half way across. i've done a strace but i don't know what i'm looking for there. |
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| 19:32.34 | badcfe | dkr: wow, thats very very nice. so there are no public new groups here .. just local gmane.* |
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| 19:33.58 | phantomcircuit | to go from lenny to sid all I have to do is change sources.list apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:34.03 | phantomcircuit | apt-get upgrade |
| 19:34.04 | phantomcircuit | right? |
| 19:35.04 | dkr | !tell phantomcircuit about sid faq |
| 19:35.49 | dkr | badcfe: yeah, it's neat. saves me the trouble of handling a few dozen mailing list subscriptions. :) |
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| 19:44.21 | sylar | anyone knows of a source for random numbers except mouse/keyboard or hardware rng (which I don't have) ? |
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| 19:45.04 | phantomcircuit | sylar, for what? |
| 19:45.27 | phantomcircuit | in general the answer is any input device |
| 19:45.53 | sylar | phantomcircuit, I just run headless |
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| 19:46.10 | dondelelcaro | sylar: depends how much random stuff you need |
| 19:46.45 | et | sylar: network also gets used, i think. |
| 19:46.57 | dondelelcaro | sylar: interrupt timings are generally the method used, but if you aren't generating enough of them, you probably won't have enough entropy. There are dongles and various methods of generating more, but if you're using not doing cryptography, you usually don't care |
| 19:47.00 | sylar | I just try to create a key and it hangs |
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| 19:47.16 | dondelelcaro | sylar: wait for it to complete |
| 19:47.18 | n0nsense | sylar: you could ping it? |
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| 19:47.52 | sylar | n0nsense, I can ping it |
| 19:47.53 | dondelelcaro | it's not unusual for key generation to depelete a machine's entropy... and you usually should be generating the key on the machine that you've actually got a head on |
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| 19:48.43 | Garfeild | hi all |
| 19:48.46 | stdisease | How can I find out which package his a file that I'm looking for? |
| 19:48.49 | stdisease | Garfeild, hi |
| 19:49.01 | stdisease | *has a file |
| 19:49.15 | dondelelcaro | !tell stdisease -about find |
| 19:49.17 | Garfeild | can somebody give me link to good HOWTO about openvpn server on Debian 4? |
| 19:49.19 | n0nsense | sylar: you could give random input by it through ssh? |
| 19:49.33 | dondelelcaro | !tell stdisease -about search |
| 19:49.50 | dondelelcaro | stdisease: sorry, the second one is the right one; see packages.debian.org, apt-file, or dpkg -S |
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| 19:50.10 | stdisease | dondelelcaro, oh, thank you |
| 19:50.20 | sylar | n0nsense, I am connected via ssh, but it hangs |
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| 19:53.00 | n0nsense | hmm... |
| 19:53.15 | Garfeild | hm.... |
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| 19:53.50 | chomwitt_ | hi. in lenny debian seahorse depends on libgnome-keyring0 package and not on gnome-keyring(which includes a gnome-keyring-daemon). Does this mean that seahorse implements itw own ssh key agent and i could remove gnome-keyring? |
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| 19:55.09 | dondelelcaro | chomwitt_: not as far as I know. It probably should recommend or suggest gnome-keyring |
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| 19:56.42 | dondelelcaro | (though I've never used seahorse or gnome-keyring, so I could be wrong) |
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| 19:57.41 | ubd | hello, i finally setup a debian box, but i think it uses a bit too much resources, Mem: 507076k total, 500764k used, 6312k free, 5716k buffers, how can i find out which programs use most? |
| 19:58.15 | simNIX | top can be sorted on cpu or meme usage |
| 19:58.27 | ubd | how do i sort for mem? |
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| 19:59.33 | chomwitt_ | dondelelcaro: ok. seem little fuzzu to me what excaclty seahorse does, but probably it's using gnome-keyring-daemon. And if the first line here http://live.gnome.org/Seahorse/SSHAgent is correct thats correct although doesnt explain the package dependencies i mentioned. |
| 19:59.34 | simNIX | h = help |
| 19:59.41 | simNIX | and with o you can set order |
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| 19:59.55 | jpinx | ubd: that's not unusual mem usage |
| 19:59.57 | stdisease | Wow, the contents file for apt-file is big. How is it compressed, lzma? |
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| 20:00.49 | simonrvn | gzip usually |
| 20:00.59 | ubd | jpinx but dont have x runnin |
| 20:01.04 | simonrvn | there's some mirrors that use both bz2 and gz |
| 20:01.22 | simonrvn | ubd: you want the other #debian |
| 20:01.22 | dondelelcaro | chomwitt_: it depends on it because it links with it |
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| 20:01.29 | tsb | Let's say you have screen running, and 2 sessions in it. How can I execute a program and redirect output to the other session? |
| 20:01.46 | ubd | simonrvn what does that mean |
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| 20:01.59 | jpinx | ubd: so? |
| 20:02.08 | dondelelcaro | tsb: output to a fifo or file in one session and read from the fifo or file in the other session. |
| 20:02.19 | ubd | http://pastebin.com/m2d472629 here is my mem usage can you tell me if its ok or not |
| 20:03.08 | jpinx | ubd: what's your problem? |
| 20:03.20 | ubd | omfg |
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| 20:03.59 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:04.02 | stdisease | A lot of bandwidth could have been saved if lzma was used instead |
| 20:04.22 | dondelelcaro | but energy wasted as heat... |
| 20:04.46 | dkr | debian causes global warming! |
| 20:06.02 | Lns | debian is a terrorist organization! |
| 20:06.04 | simonrvn | stdisease: why? it's not like it gets fetched every day. even if it did, compared to Packages*, it's a small chunk of the b/w ... |
| 20:06.34 | dondelelcaro | there's also already diffs for Contents, so that basically chops the bandwidth down |
| 20:06.39 | n0nsense | Garfeild: Garfaild? |
| 20:06.51 | stdisease | Well even the packages could benefit from lzma |
| 20:07.08 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 20:07.19 | simonrvn | stdisease: pdiffs |
| 20:07.38 | dondelelcaro | stdisease: they're also in pdiffs, so not so much. There are also bz2 compressed packages files |
| 20:08.12 | simonrvn | not hard to do, use that tiffany script + reprepro ;p |
| 20:08.31 | stdisease | simonrvn, dondelelcaro, how can I know which one am I using? Or does it depend on the mirror |
| 20:08.51 | simonrvn | depends on the mirror. libapt tries them all |
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| 20:09.08 | stdisease | Oh |
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| 20:09.27 | simonrvn | if it finds the most efficient one first it'll use it |
| 20:09.31 | dondelelcaro | for quite a few of us too, it takes way longer to decompress lzma than it does to just send the gz |
| 20:09.41 | simonrvn | otherwise it degrades smoothly |
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| 20:09.47 | simonrvn | indeed |
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| 20:10.02 | stdisease | I'm a poor guy and my bandwidth sucks |
| 20:10.15 | simonrvn | stdisease: they've thought this through, i have no doubt about it ;). |
| 20:10.16 | dondelelcaro | it's the advantage of being on academic networks |
| 20:10.52 | simonrvn | we're poor too, but bandwidth is one of the few things we splurge on |
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| 20:11.25 | simonrvn | dialup sucks hard ;) |
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| 20:11.34 | stdisease | hehe |
| 20:12.33 | simonrvn | and it's set at the max setting the gz, iirc, and it's just text, so it compresses nicely |
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| 20:13.27 | adama | anyone care to guess the bandwith ratio of using ssh -X vs. RDP or VNC ? |
| 20:14.00 | maligor | 21.893 |
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| 20:14.45 | stdisease | simonrvn, what does it contain anyway? just a listing of files in all packages? |
| 20:18.03 | abrotman | someone did a thing on planet recently about this i thought |
| 20:18.11 | simonrvn | sorta, get see one |
| 20:18.17 | simonrvn | go see* |
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| 20:18.32 | MrWGW | how do I setup a Debian box to act as a default router? |
| 20:18.45 | MrWGW | as opposed to doing dynamic routing with quagga or somesuch |
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| 20:19.09 | abrotman | you want to use a router, or be a router? |
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| 20:19.41 | MrWGW | be a router |
| 20:19.44 | MrWGW | a default gateway |
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| 20:21.03 | stdisease | MrWGW, tried using iptables? That's how my 'default' router works |
| 20:21.22 | MrWGW | well I would think (hope) you wouldn't use that for routing per se |
| 20:21.35 | MrWGW | I was under the impression it was primarily for firewalls |
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| 20:22.20 | stdisease | well in my case it's enough, I masquerade and do NAT with it |
| 20:22.37 | stdisease | and I have only 1 external IP |
| 20:22.37 | tsb | dondelelcaro: fifo is brillinat, thanks! I have been using linux for years and never heard about mkfifo.. |
| 20:23.03 | MrWGW | I don't want to do NAT or masquerading at all |
| 20:23.14 | adama | fifos are neat but you don't need them too often :P |
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| 20:24.04 | lymeca | Installing a lenny amd64 virtual machine via debootstrap leads to an OS that cannot boot fully. I thought initially it might be because udev wasn't installed, but that wasn't it. I tried chrooting it and installing udev but it did not work. |
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| 20:24.35 | LamerC | Hello. I have several pdf files that I scanned long time ago, but it is very big (images). Is there a way to use an OCR program to convert it from image-based PDF to text-based PDF? |
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| 20:25.17 | MrWGW | basically I just want to enable forwarding in the kernel, there need to be two static routes, a default route from a network on eth1 to a router connected to another network on eth0 |
| 20:25.23 | MrWGW | and of course a static route in the opposite direction |
| 20:25.25 | dondelelcaro | LamerC: generally what you do is you OCR it to overlay text of the images |
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| 20:25.40 | dondelelcaro | LamerC: you can also reduce the resolution of the file if you scanned it at an excessive resolution |
| 20:25.42 | GDG | are these entries still valid for source.list file? |
| 20:25.44 | GDG | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:25.44 | GDG | deb ftp://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian stable main |
| 20:25.47 | GDG | ??? |
| 20:26.29 | dondelelcaro | GDG: no |
| 20:26.32 | simonrvn | GDG: you have a conflict there, sarge is not even oldstable anymore. change it to stable. |
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| 20:27.39 | BurdWork | I'm looking at a piece of software..they have it listed as GPL, LGPL, MPL yet still require a commercial license... is this even legal? |
| 20:27.41 | LamerC | Okay. Sounds like reducing resolution would easier but affect quality possible. I'm checking out this tessa-ocr package, can it be used to do the OCR, or would I need to export each page, OCR it, then import each page and use something like pdfedit to chop out everything but the signatures and seals |
| 20:28.02 | tsb | adama: I am using them to redifect output from one screen to the other. Only way I know how, well or a regular file but that is messy.. |
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| 20:29.00 | paxcoder | BurdWork: You'd have to post it somewhere for us to examine it. |
| 20:29.12 | paxcoder | (paste or image) |
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| 20:29.33 | valdyn | lymeca: it just has no kernel and no bootloader |
| 20:29.36 | paxcoder | BurdWork: sounds illegal tho. |
| 20:29.40 | BurdWork | http://www.fckeditor.net/license .. sorry for being off topic but this is the only place I know of where I migth get a real answer |
| 20:29.57 | lymeca | valdyn: The kernel is on the host machine. It should not need a boot loader. |
| 20:30.03 | lymeca | It boots partially |
| 20:30.12 | valdyn | lymeca: what kind of vm is this? |
| 20:30.18 | lymeca | Xen domainU |
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| 20:30.49 | abrotman | BurdWork: that seems to imply if you want to integrate their editor into your closed-source app |
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| 20:31.40 | valdyn | BurdWork: if you produce gpl code, you can sell it under whatever license |
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| 20:31.58 | valdyn | BurdWork: you just cannot take someone elses gpl work and sell it under whatever license |
| 20:32.08 | paxcoder | BurdWork: that's multiple licensing. It's permitted. They probably do it so anyone who wants to make proprietary software using their code should buy it from them. And they're still contributing the community. |
| 20:32.29 | BurdWork | well here's the thing.. I just want to implement it into our own personal corporate website.. we dont sell what we make, we host our own sites |
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| 20:32.48 | valdyn | BurdWork: so follow the gpl and you can use gpl code, period |
| 20:33.00 | paxcoder | BurdWork: Wait, scratch that. LGPL makes that possible even without buying. Use it as LGPL, no sweat |
| 20:33.18 | simonrvn | BurdWork: that should be ok. plenty of foss based sites and projects use fckeditor... mediawiki, wordpress, concrete5, etc. |
| 20:33.19 | paxcoder | Dunno what's the commercial license then. |
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| 20:34.08 | BurdWork | so as long as we don't offer it in soem commercial application we sell.. I shoudl probably be good?.. that is so convoluted the way they did that |
| 20:34.09 | valdyn | its called "Closed Distribution License", and thats what it does, allows closed distribution for a fee |
| 20:34.16 | valdyn | BurdWork: no, wrong |
| 20:34.39 | valdyn | BurdWork: you can sell this freely, you just have to abide by the gpl / lgpl / mpl |
| 20:34.40 | paxcoder | paxcoder: they basically give you as much options as they can. |
| 20:34.54 | paxcoder | lol BurdWork |
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| 20:36.12 | valdyn | BurdWork: gpl does not restrict selling something at all anyway |
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| 20:36.42 | khussein78 | i have my password encrypted, i need a brute force program to crack my password, can u help me |
| 20:36.44 | BurdWork | I'm still not clear.. let me make this clear what I plan on using it for... it is on our own website we own, we do not sell the code or sytem we use it in, we make no money from the site other than the grants we get to fund our dev (not for profit org).. no way will the source to our site be available to anyone |
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| 20:37.11 | valdyn | BurdWork: if you do not distribute the app, then you do not need to distribute the code |
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| 20:37.54 | abrotman | BurdWork: they're not the only ones that do that |
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| 20:38.27 | valdyn | netfilter do this |
| 20:38.29 | valdyn | mplayer do this |
| 20:38.40 | paxcoder | valdyn: what? |
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| 20:38.57 | BurdWork | i think helix does this as well |
| 20:39.00 | valdyn | paxcoder: selling the gpl code under a different license for $ |
| 20:39.16 | paxcoder | BurdWork: wth? you can't do that. |
| 20:39.27 | paxcoder | *valdyn |
| 20:39.28 | BurdWork | do what |
| 20:39.34 | paxcoder | sell it under different license |
| 20:39.36 | abrotman | paxcoder: yes, you can |
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| 20:39.53 | paxcoder | abrotman: under different license. |
| 20:39.53 | BurdWork | tel them that paxcoder... |
| 20:39.53 | valdyn | paxcoder: sure i can sell my OWN gpl code udner whatever license i please |
| 20:40.04 | valdyn | paxcoder: i cannot sell someone ELSES gpl code under whatever license i please |
| 20:40.09 | valdyn | paxcoder: see the difference? |
| 20:40.12 | BurdWork | I do |
| 20:40.13 | paxcoder | valdyn: well if you exclude third party GPL code from it, yes |
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| 20:40.21 | valdyn | paxcoder: yes, sure |
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| 20:40.41 | paxcoder | valdyn: and it's not seeling GPL if it's another license |
| 20:40.42 | valdyn | oh, openoffice do this ( sun ) |
| 20:40.58 | Cripps | I was playing around in kcontrol's "Regional and Accessibility" so that i could switch between qwerty and dvorak keyboard layouts, and now my keyboard is mapped to the greek alphabet .... I tried running: "setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout us" to no avail. Can I get some help getting my keyboard back to "normal?" |
| 20:41.07 | paxcoder | valdyn: they can't use community contributions then, and it's not GPL (Star office) |
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| 20:41.21 | valdyn | paxcoder: there you are mistaken |
| 20:41.36 | paxcoder | valdyn: about what? |
| 20:41.41 | valdyn | paxcoder: when you contribute code to a project like sun, then you hand over ownership to sun, or your code stays out |
| 20:41.50 | valdyn | paxcoder: when you contribute code to a project like sun, then you hand over ownership to sun's openoffice, or your code stays out |
| 20:41.58 | valdyn | oh wtf |
| 20:42.02 | BurdWork | hehe |
| 20:42.04 | paxcoder | valdyn: you can RELICENSE only the code that you OWN (have a COPYRIGHT on), or is PUBLIC DOMAIN. |
| 20:42.07 | simonrvn | weee |
| 20:42.21 | valdyn | paxcoder: dont tell me, i know |
| 20:42.24 | simonrvn | eh, here we go with the PD |
| 20:42.32 | BurdWork | hey didnt plan on starting a war here or anything I just know there are folks here I would trust their opinions |
| 20:42.36 | valdyn | paxcoder: im only trying to explain BurdWork that he has no issues |
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| 20:43.04 | paxcoder | valdyn: oh, sun owns it? |
| 20:43.07 | paxcoder | sorry, missed it. |
| 20:43.09 | valdyn | paxcoder: yes |
| 20:43.14 | paxcoder | sry |
| 20:43.43 | valdyn | paxcoder: they will not take someone else's code if he wants to keep ownership |
| 20:43.57 | BurdWork | okay well i reeally appreciate everyone's ambition to help me out a bit |
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| 20:44.00 | paxcoder | valdyn: So basically them mentioning names is curtsy? |
| 20:44.28 | simonrvn | BurdWork: what war? it's a discussion ;) |
| 20:44.33 | valdyn | paxcoder: what has that to do with anything? |
| 20:44.49 | valdyn | paxcoder: i mean, they can mention or not mention contributors in either case |
| 20:44.49 | paxcoder | valdyn: i'm just thinking aloud. didn't know that. |
| 20:44.54 | uMish | backports is disabled by default ? |
| 20:44.54 | paxcoder | yes |
| 20:45.05 | paxcoder | *to valdyn |
| 20:45.07 | BurdWork | been at this new job about 7 months.. gotta tell ya it took me abotu three months to convince them to move from fedora to debian and they haven't looked back.. maybe in the future I can convince them to donate to the debian project.. I'm still working em in ;) |
| 20:45.47 | paxcoder | BrudWork: btw. GNU products tend to be most complete in the world of free software, so maybe check out: http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ |
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| 20:47.31 | paxcoder | valdyn: sry i got aggrivated. didn't know where you were going, and the first time you told me i missed it. no hard feelings? |
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| 20:49.52 | iamjay | hello, anyone around who can tell me what I have to add to my sources.list in order to be able to apt-get awesome? |
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| 20:50.28 | stew | iamjay: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:50.53 | iamjay | stew, lenny |
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| 20:51.16 | iamjay | I just debootstrapt here and chrooted into in order to get awesome + all dependencies |
| 20:51.41 | iamjay | but know I dont know which line to add to my sources.list |
| 20:51.47 | Devil_Kin | hey folks, any idea when linux-headers-2.6.28 is going to be created? I'd like the more recent kernel, but unfortunately i can't compile madwifi against it without the headers |
| 20:51.48 | abrotman | judd: versions awesome |
| 20:51.49 | judd | abrotman: awesome -- etch-backports: 2.3.3-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.3.3-1 squeeze: 3.2~rc4-1 sid: 3.2-1 |
| 20:52.00 | abrotman | iamjay: do you have any http sources? |
| 20:52.46 | uMish | I have etch-backports in sources.list and I did apt-get update; why apt-cache search does not show packages from nackports ? |
| 20:52.47 | iamjay | abrotman, huh?? what do you mean :d |
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| 20:53.25 | iamjay | abrotman, I'd like to have a 3+ version... hm |
| 20:53.26 | abrotman | iamjay: if you look in your sources.list .. do you have any http sources? |
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| 20:53.39 | abrotman | well, lenny only has 2.3.x |
| 20:53.44 | lymeca | Here is a startup log of my new Debian Lenny virtual machine in Xen: http://pastebin.ca/1365566 |
| 20:54.04 | lymeca | It freezes after supposedly starting crond and I think debootstrap didn't install all software necessary |
| 20:54.05 | iamjay | abrotman, yeah.. http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
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| 20:54.12 | lymeca | But I'm not sure which packages I am missing... |
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| 20:54.58 | valdyn | lymeca: tried ctrl-c at the freeze point? |
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| 20:55.22 | lymeca | valdyn: Nothing |
| 20:55.33 | lymeca | I'm on the console right now at this frozen boot up |
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| 20:55.46 | stew | iamjay: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 20:56.48 | iamjay | stew, hmmm...yeah I know.. -_- |
| 20:57.09 | iamjay | but there's a way to get awesome installed by adding something to the sources.list aint there? |
| 20:57.18 | ninjaslim | i'm encountering an issue with sound where the snd-hda-intel module has been blacklisted and only the snd-intel8x0 loads, KDE 4.2.1 startup sound i can hear it, but no other sound appears |
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| 20:57.31 | iamjay | deb-src ... < i just dont know where to find that one ;( |
| 20:57.36 | GDG | simonrvn, what you mean? |
| 20:57.39 | GDG | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:57.43 | GDG | deb ftp://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian stable main |
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| 20:58.08 | simonrvn | iamjay: dupe the deb one and change it to deb-src ... |
| 20:58.09 | GDG | how can I change it? |
| 20:58.19 | simonrvn | GDG: with an editor |
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| 20:58.37 | GDG | no, I mean which is the correct entry? |
| 20:58.51 | simonrvn | s/sarge/stable/ |
| 20:59.04 | paxcoder | *work |
| 20:59.06 | iamjay | simonrvn, then the unstable ones will become installed? |
| 20:59.12 | stew | GDG: none of those are still valid. sarge support ended a long time ago |
| 20:59.19 | paxcoder | darnit what was his name... |
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| 20:59.34 | simonrvn | stew: yes |
| 21:00.00 | stew | GDG: sarge packages are available now from archive.debian.org ; but you should be upgrading to etch, then to lenny. /msg dpkg sarge->etch ; /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 21:00.18 | stew | GDG: you should NOT be replacing sarge with stable there |
| 21:00.19 | GDG | I cannot upgrade |
| 21:00.24 | stew | GDG: why not? |
| 21:00.26 | ninjaslim | i'm encountering an issue with sound where the snd-hda-intel module has been blacklisted and only the snd-intel8x0 loads, KDE 4.2.1 startup sound i can hear it, but no other sound appears |
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| 21:00.40 | simonrvn | good point stew |
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| 21:00.50 | simonrvn | my bad |
| 21:00.55 | GDG | stew, does not exist a old repository? |
| 21:01.18 | stew | GDG: there are unsupported sarge repositories on archive.debian.org |
| 21:01.27 | GDG | ok |
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| 21:01.33 | paxcoder | BurdWork: just wanted to tell you: ocrad works with ppm's, and there's a tool pdftoppm preinstalled you can use. |
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| 21:01.53 | stew | GDG: why can't you upgrade? |
| 21:02.13 | GDG | it is a linux on qemu / arm |
| 21:02.33 | stew | ok? |
| 21:02.46 | simonrvn | ok... and? |
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| 21:03.37 | GDG | and I can't my colleagues ask me to not do it |
| 21:03.52 | stew | the current release of debian (2 releases newer than sarge) still supports arm, but the next one wont |
| 21:04.11 | simonrvn | stew: really? damn |
| 21:04.17 | stew | simonrvn: armel yes, arm no |
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| 21:04.43 | stew | so it still supports the arm processor, but the "arm" debian port is discontinued for squeeze |
| 21:04.49 | GDG | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:04.50 | simonrvn | i suppose there's more armel stuff around arm? or some other reason? |
| 21:05.01 | stew | simonrvn: nobody was doing the work to keep it going |
| 21:05.02 | GDG | which is the corresponding on archive? |
| 21:05.09 | pipeline | simonrvn: abi changes |
| 21:05.10 | stew | GDG: none, there is no security support |
| 21:05.11 | pipeline | it's not the endianess |
| 21:05.13 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 21:05.14 | pipeline | it's that armel is a different ABI |
| 21:05.16 | GDG | ok |
| 21:05.20 | pipeline | toolchain is better or something |
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| 21:05.29 | stew | GDG: (and there are known security problems that nobody is fixing) |
| 21:05.38 | simonrvn | pipeline: the abi is better |
| 21:05.46 | GDG | but this is an embedded system |
| 21:05.50 | GDG | in qemu |
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| 21:06.00 | GDG | I do not need security updates |
| 21:06.08 | GDG | I need only some packages |
| 21:06.15 | GDG | to continue developing |
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| 21:07.50 | jordi | Tool to convert Western European to UTF-8? |
| 21:07.58 | valdyn | !recode |
| 21:07.59 | stew | alpha and hppa ports have a good chance of going away before squeeze as well |
| 21:08.06 | valdyn | jordi: recode |
| 21:08.12 | stew | jordi: iconv? |
| 21:08.13 | jor | jordi: iconv |
| 21:08.25 | abrotman | stew: that will be a sad day .. moreso for alpha |
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| 21:08.38 | abrotman | i offered to send vorlon an alpha box .. wasn't interseted |
| 21:08.42 | stew | abrotman: then jump onto the porter team! |
| 21:08.46 | pipeline | alpha and hppa are both dead architectures |
| 21:08.53 | jordi | stew, jor: Isn't that a library? |
| 21:08.53 | stew | its not a shortage of boxes, its a shortage of porters |
| 21:08.59 | pipeline | they'll be netbsd-only types before you know it |
| 21:09.02 | abrotman | pipeline: dead like x86 a few years ago ? :) |
| 21:09.03 | stew | jordi: its a command line utility |
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| 21:09.16 | daedhel | hi guys |
| 21:09.22 | pipeline | abrotman: no, really dead - I can still buy brand new x86 chips :D |
| 21:09.25 | jordi | daedhel: oh hai |
| 21:09.58 | abrotman | pipeline: 32bit? |
| 21:10.02 | daedhel | jordi, ho hai, I haz a question |
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| 21:10.11 | simonrvn | GDG: so do what stew said, or put up with it. |
| 21:10.22 | pipeline | abrotman: yes |
| 21:10.37 | abrotman | thought everything was 64bit now |
| 21:10.42 | pipeline | abrotman: almost all intel atom chips are 32 bit |
| 21:10.50 | abrotman | i thought they were 64bit now |
| 21:10.52 | pipeline | abrotman: there are still a ton of embedded x86 cpus available in 32 bit |
| 21:10.53 | daedhel | here's my question: what is the command associated to the ALT + F4 key binding in lxde? |
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| 21:11.51 | daedhel | abrotman, I have a 64 bit pocessor, but I can't find a reason to use 64bit softs |
| 21:12.24 | OpenTokix | daedhel: only intresting if you run ram intensive apps, |
| 21:12.43 | daedhel | OpenTokix, wich is not really frequent |
| 21:12.45 | pipeline | daedhel: a 64 bit kernel makes more efficient use of memory; userpsace apps, it usually doesn't matter |
| 21:12.50 | OpenTokix | daedhel: then don |
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| 21:13.02 | pipeline | daedhel: on e.g. solaris, the kernel is always 64 bit, but the applications are almost exclusively 32 bit |
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| 21:13.12 | OpenTokix | daedhel: Then don't bother with 64 bit, to avoid problems with flash and other firefox plugins for instance. |
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| 21:13.37 | daedhel | OpenTokix, yeah, I cant find any advantages, but theres plenty of disadvantages |
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| 21:13.52 | JordiGH | why is "aptitude show foo" so much slower than "apt-cache show foo"? :-( |
| 21:13.54 | rue_mohr | W: Failed to fetch http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian/dists/stable/non-free/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2 Could not resolve 'apt' <<<<<<??????????? |
| 21:13.55 | pipeline | abrotman: besides... 64 bit intel chips will probably keep 8/16/32 modes forever |
| 21:14.02 | rue_mohr | anyone have a hint? |
| 21:14.15 | pipeline | abrotman: and the toolchains for at least the 32 bit mode will need to stay up to date... |
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| 21:14.24 | JordiGH | rue_mohr: Probably your sources.list is fail. |
| 21:14.27 | daedhel | pipeline, why do they do that, is there a "feelable" gain to 64bit kernel? |
| 21:14.29 | OpenTokix | rue_mohr: you wrote apt twice? |
| 21:14.40 | rue_mohr | no ts exactly the same as another list I have |
| 21:14.48 | OpenTokix | rue_mohr: paste your commandline? |
| 21:14.49 | rue_mohr | I copied it over, its the same |
| 21:14.51 | jetpda | just don't expect me to type |
| 21:14.53 | rue_mohr | apt-get update |
| 21:14.57 | pipeline | daedhel: sure - if you have 4G of RAM, you will get to use all of it without PAE :P |
| 21:14.59 | abrotman | i meant true 32bit ... |
| 21:15.00 | JordiGH | rue_mohr: Paste your sources.list |
| 21:15.03 | rue_mohr | ok |
| 21:15.11 | simonrvn | jetpda: lemme guess, on your pda? ;) |
| 21:15.15 | pipeline | abrotman: well, yes, 32-bit-only chips are still widely available |
| 21:15.25 | abrotman | pipeline: for desktop/server also ? |
| 21:15.38 | rue_mohr | http://bin.cakephp.org/view/483990741 |
| 21:15.49 | jetpda | good guess simonrvn |
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| 21:15.50 | pipeline | abrotman: not really... embedded, laptops, that sort of thing. What kind of desktop or server would have less than 4G of RAM ? Also, PAE is terrible. |
| 21:16.11 | rue_mohr | I have two machines, both with same apt version both with same list, one dosn't work |
| 21:16.14 | jetpda | wonders where tabkey is |
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| 21:16.22 | daedhel | anyone uses LXDE here? |
| 21:16.31 | abrotman | pipeline: uhm .. if you're not running vista .. you may not need 4GB |
| 21:17.07 | daedhel | abrotman, I have 3gb ram, and I usualyy use 150mb of it |
| 21:17.12 | jetpda | my box won't hold 4gb |
| 21:17.17 | JordiGH | rue_mohr: Probably doesn't make a difference, but why did you remove contrib? |
| 21:17.23 | abrotman | daedhel: right |
| 21:17.28 | rue_mohr | W: Failed to fetch ht...... Could not resolve 'apt' <<< nobody has ever run intot that? |
| 21:17.32 | JordiGH | daedhel: My graphics card uses 500 megs of my 4 gigs of ram. |
| 21:17.37 | rue_mohr | prolly cause at some point it caused grief |
| 21:17.46 | JordiGH | rue_mohr: That's bizarre. |
| 21:17.51 | rue_mohr | but it works fine on another machine |
| 21:17.57 | rue_mohr | same apt ver same list |
| 21:18.09 | JordiGH | rue_mohr: apt.conf and preferences files blank? |
| 21:18.15 | simonrvn | pipeline: mine would... |
| 21:18.17 | rue_mohr | hmmm |
| 21:18.19 | daedhel | JordiGH, yeah integrated gpu need ram |
| 21:18.23 | simonrvn | dumb assumptions... |
| 21:18.34 | rue_mohr | Acquire::http::Proxy "http://apt:3142"; <-- whats that? |
| 21:18.42 | JordiGH | rue_mohr: A proxy. Get rid of it. |
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| 21:18.50 | daedhel | JordiGH, but not operating system |
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| 21:19.02 | rue_mohr | good catch |
| 21:19.05 | rue_mohr | thanks :) |
| 21:19.13 | jetpda | everybody in my fmily has a better box than me, and I gave them to them |
| 21:19.19 | simonrvn | daedhel: where do you think it gets it? |
| 21:19.30 | abrotman | JordiGH: what if he needs the proxy? |
| 21:19.36 | daedhel | simonrvn, gets what? |
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| 21:19.48 | JordiGH | abrotman: Obviously not, because the proxy isn't resolving. |
| 21:19.59 | abrotman | JordiGH: or it was misconfigured |
| 21:21.15 | rue_mohr | libapache-mod-php5: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.0-10+lenny1) but 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 is to be installed <<-- arg! since when are we splitting lenny!? |
| 21:21.56 | daedhel | here's my question: what is the command associated to the ALT + F4 key binding in lxde? |
| 21:22.10 | ajavid | hey I tried to answer you in #php |
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| 21:22.20 | rue_mohr | oh |
| 21:22.25 | ajavid | :) its alright |
| 21:22.37 | rue_mohr | I'm not having much easier time here :) |
| 21:22.52 | ajavid | it was half hour ago anyway, I forgot |
| 21:23.15 | adb | rue_mohr: and change "etch" to "stable" in line 9 -sources.list file |
| 21:23.18 | ajavid | looking for php5 for 1.3 apache? |
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| 21:23.40 | rue_mohr | OH! thanks! didn't notice that |
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| 21:23.48 | adb | np |
| 21:24.00 | JordiGH | daedhel: That would be openbox, no? |
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| 21:24.22 | Zakabog | Stupid question probably but I'm running Debian 5.0 and eth0 is showing up as eth0_rename, is there any way to fix that? |
| 21:24.37 | jetpda | yes |
| 21:24.43 | KavanS | uggh, I wish they would not change preseed VARIABLES |
| 21:24.46 | jetpda | udev rules |
| 21:24.46 | KavanS | jesus... |
| 21:24.48 | bob489 | anyone have success building python2.6 on lenny? |
| 21:24.57 | KavanS | screws up our auto-loader every time a new OS is dropped |
| 21:25.20 | rue_mohr | There is no public key available for the following key IDs I need a new keyring? |
| 21:25.39 | daedhel | JordiGH, hmm I thought those keybondingd where related to lxde-panel |
| 21:26.12 | JordiGH | daedhel: I would guess Openbox. But I'm guessing. |
| 21:26.23 | rue_mohr | !keyring |
| 21:26.23 | dpkg | well, keyring is a circular ring of metal for holding keys... in the context of debian, the public gpg keys. |
| 21:26.31 | rue_mohr | arg, smartass |
| 21:26.39 | ajavid | !factinfo keyring |
| 21:26.40 | dpkg | keyring -- created by xk <xk@lab6.com> at Fri Dec 29 16:50:19 2000 (3002 days); it has been requested 83 times, last by rue_mohr, 17s ago. |
| 21:27.15 | rue_mohr | !pulic_key |
| 21:27.22 | rue_mohr | !public_key |
| 21:27.26 | rue_mohr | !publickey |
| 21:27.32 | abrotman | rue_mohr: msg the bot |
| 21:27.39 | bob489 | lol |
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| 21:27.44 | rue_mohr | arg, do you know what package I use to get the keys I need? |
| 21:27.53 | rue_mohr | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 21:28.00 | rue_mohr | i can never remember the name of the package |
| 21:28.06 | abrotman | rue_mohr: is debian-archive-keyring installed? |
| 21:28.09 | rue_mohr | I tried installing them all once and didn't get it |
| 21:28.46 | rue_mohr | perfect |
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| 21:30.03 | rue_mohr | libapache-mod-php5: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.0-10+lenny1) but it is not going to be installed <<why not? |
| 21:30.18 | abrotman | you don't have security sources |
| 21:30.19 | rue_mohr | damn I ahve to go |
| 21:30.20 | abrotman | ? |
| 21:30.29 | rue_mohr | hmm I can check |
| 21:30.32 | aanderse | can anyone point me to where i go to find out how to get my broadcom BCM4328 wireless working? i've been having some troubles... |
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| 21:30.49 | rue_mohr | deb-src or just deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main non-free contrib |
| 21:30.51 | ajavid | !b43 |
| 21:30.51 | dpkg | it has been said that b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets (http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:31.10 | ajavid | aanderse, ^ |
| 21:31.37 | aanderse | ajavid: thanks! i'll go there and check it out |
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| 21:32.27 | ajavid | yup |
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| 21:34.45 | ninjaslim | i'm encountering an issue with sound where the snd-hda-intel module has been blacklisted and only the snd-intel8x0 loads, KDE 4.2.1 startup sound i can hear it, but no other sound appears |
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| 21:40.08 | daniel2 | Has any ever experienced Bash freezing, and using 100% cpu. |
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| 21:40.38 | revertTS | is it possible to use msmtp-mta for system mail? |
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| 21:41.14 | gravity | daniel2: bash itself? Are you running something when that happens? |
| 21:41.25 | daniel2 | gravity, It seems to happen when I try to enter .mozilla |
| 21:41.27 | daniel2 | so far. |
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| 21:41.46 | gravity | cd .mozilla -> cpu pegged? |
| 21:41.53 | daniel2 | actually. |
| 21:42.02 | daniel2 | When i try to switch directories |
| 21:42.05 | daniel2 | or list |
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| 21:43.00 | gravity | daniel2: What does ls -ld .mozilla do? |
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| 21:43.38 | Theoden | http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/madill48/MyPrecious.png?t=1237498785 |
| 21:43.53 | abrotman | why? |
| 21:44.04 | daniel2 | daniel@stage:~$ ls -ld .mozibash: completion: function `' not found |
| 21:44.04 | yggdrasil | hello folks. I have an interesting thing im trying to do. How can i monitor a serial port and make it execute a dcop command when i activate a switch connected to the serial port |
| 21:44.07 | daniel2 | That doesnt sound good. |
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| 21:44.43 | gravity | .mozibash? |
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| 21:44.55 | daniel2 | gravity, i typed .mozi |
| 21:44.58 | gravity | Maybe your tab completions are fucked. |
| 21:44.58 | daniel2 | and hit tab |
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| 21:45.06 | daniel2 | bash is seeming to fail me. |
| 21:45.07 | gravity | hugs zsh |
| 21:45.10 | ThoMe | hello |
| 21:45.12 | ThoMe | i try: find -depth 1 . -name "*/*" -exec rm \{\}\; |
| 21:45.16 | ThoMe | but find: paths must precede expression: 1 |
| 21:45.16 | ThoMe | Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-Olevel] [-D help|tree|search|stat|rates|opt|exec] [path...] [expression] |
| 21:45.19 | ThoMe | any ideas? |
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| 21:45.48 | gravity | ThoMe: Change the " to ' |
| 21:45.51 | gravity | In -name |
| 21:45.58 | foetus | evening, folks. |
| 21:46.04 | gravity | Er, actually that's probably wrong |
| 21:46.15 | ThoMe | emm |
| 21:46.15 | ThoMe | ? |
| 21:46.20 | gravity | ThoMe: Sorry. it's find . -depth 1 |
| 21:46.23 | pertain | ThoMe: find . -all -the -other -options |
| 21:46.24 | gravity | ThoMe: Then the rest is the same |
| 21:46.27 | ThoMe | hm? |
| 21:46.29 | gravity | I'm retarded |
| 21:46.30 | ThoMe | what is now correct? |
| 21:46.38 | ThoMe | find -depth 1 . -name '*/*' -exec rm \{\}\; not? |
| 21:46.48 | gravity | Path to search (period, in your case) first. Then options |
| 21:47.03 | ThoMe | gravity: do you have an example? |
| 21:47.11 | ThoMe | please |
| 21:47.19 | gravity | ThoMe: file . -depth 1 -name "*/*" -exec rm \{\}\; |
| 21:47.28 | gravity | Same thing. Swap . with -depth 1 |
| 21:47.29 | ThoMe | file: invalid option -- 'a' |
| 21:47.30 | ThoMe | hm. |
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| 21:47.45 | gravity | find, not file |
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| 21:48.06 | ThoMe | debian31m:/var/lib/courier/msgs# find . -depth 1 -name "*/*" -exec rm \{\}\; |
| 21:48.07 | ThoMe | find: paths must precede expression: 1 |
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| 21:48.43 | ThoMe | gravity: :-( |
| 21:49.05 | gravity | Now I'm confused |
| 21:49.08 | ThoMe | :-) |
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| 21:50.00 | nil_ | Hi guys! I failed with Google. If I run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" it asks me about my keyboard, but nothing more. |
| 21:50.02 | ThoMe | ideas? |
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| 21:50.43 | nil_ | It does not asks about screen resolution / monitor / mouse ... What happened? How can I set those preferences? |
| 21:50.44 | gravity | ThoMe: This feels like a bug in find to me. it only happens with depth |
| 21:51.12 | gravity | I could be wrong though. I'm not really that great at find |
| 21:51.31 | gravity | nil_: Is the X server not working right for you? |
| 21:52.38 | nil_ | gravity: It forks fine with vesa driver. I would like to change that. |
| 21:52.49 | nil_ | I would like to use different driver. |
| 21:52.53 | gravity | nil_: To what driver? |
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| 21:53.14 | systm | what would be the best way to install X11 when i have a ATI HD3200 (780M)? |
| 21:53.24 | nil_ | gravity: 1st: I think it is not important. 2nd: ati |
| 21:53.41 | gravity | nil_: It is important. Which ati driver? The open one or fglrx? |
| 21:53.55 | nil_ | gravity: I will try fglrx |
| 21:54.22 | gravity | nil_: Ok, that's different and requires a wholly different answer from the ati driver |
| 21:54.27 | gravity | Which is why it's important |
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| 21:55.00 | gravity | !tell nil_ about fglrx one-liner |
| 21:55.01 | nil_ | gravity: Okay. Let me ask a different question. How can I change the mouse settings for X? :-) |
| 21:55.22 | nil_ | gravity: I just don't have the possibility to change X settings other than keyboard's |
| 21:55.24 | gravity | nil_: What settings? |
| 21:55.32 | nil_ | gravity: any |
| 21:55.38 | nil_ | gravity: any but keyboard. |
| 21:55.40 | gravity | nil_: There's different settings |
| 21:55.44 | gravity | nil_: What do you want to change? |
| 21:55.49 | pertain | ThoMe: -depth takes no argument 1. Are You sure that's the parameter You want? |
| 21:55.54 | gravity | xset may be what you want |
| 21:56.12 | nil_ | gravity: I can change the keybooard with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and nothing more. Event if I don't need it right now it is not a good thing. |
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| 21:56.22 | gravity | nil_: Just read the xorg.conf manpage. Also you may want to read the mouse_drv manpage if you're using that and not the evdev driver |
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| 21:56.43 | gravity | nil_: xset can change some things. Others require editing xorg.conf. |
| 21:56.50 | nil_ | gravity: So you recommend _manual_ configuration instead of using dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 21:57.01 | gravity | nil_: Your attempts to dodge the question doesn't make helping you pleasant |
| 21:57.25 | gravity | nil_: It depends entirely on what you're doing |
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| 21:57.49 | nil_ | gravity: I got it. I want to go out on the window so why do I care about the handle-less door. |
| 21:57.52 | gravity | nil_: Anyway, I'm done answering your questions until you actually get more specific |
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| 21:57.58 | nil_ | gravity: I just care about it too. |
| 21:58.07 | bob489 | hi.... I've been mirroring lenny for a while... i use debmirror... now that i have this nice mirror of the stable release... i want to use it w/ netinst cds... but i get an error ... i've searched and haven't found a solution to this problem... any one have an idea? |
| 21:58.53 | systm | bob489: it would help if you have the error in the question :) |
| 21:59.04 | nil_ | gravity: I have Radeon HD 4670. Finally I want compiz |
| 21:59.19 | gravity | nil_: So install it and read the docs in the package |
| 21:59.22 | foetus | milestone - tar.7z is the new standard on my systems now |
| 21:59.46 | foetus | all tests successful. |
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| 22:00.15 | bob489 | systm: well... I am about to retry as soon as i burn another lenny netinst... if you will be around i can tell you exactly |
| 22:00.25 | bob489 | but from what i remember it said not a valid mirror |
| 22:00.27 | foetus | packing my kernels at the moment with it, working like a charme.. |
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| 22:01.19 | systm | bob489: I won't know how, never ventured that far for inst, but im sure someone can help. |
| 22:01.21 | hipz | foetus, you can use the stand-alone lzma compressor for that, don't need the 7z archiver functions, tar does that already |
| 22:01.42 | foetus | lenny-release 4.58-1.p7zip. |
| 22:01.50 | systm | What would be the best way to install xorg when i have a HD3200 (780M)? |
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| 22:02.26 | bob489 | systm: I will setup check the log files on my http server... might be requesting some file to validate the archive |
| 22:02.33 | bob489 | but thanks |
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| 22:02.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm |
| 22:03.23 | gravity | systm: Just install xorg |
| 22:03.33 | foetus | hipz: forget it, maybe i'm rude, but i never can hear this "lzma" :) |
| 22:03.34 | nil_ | gravity: LOL: I have a Section "Device" and all I have is: Identifier "Configured Video Device". I don't even know how it starts :-) |
| 22:03.49 | systm | ok, it just wants to fetch a boat load of drivers, so i was wondering what I maybe doing wrong. |
| 22:03.56 | gravity | nil_: "how it starts"? |
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| 22:04.31 | gravity | systm: It pulls them all in by default. You can remove the ones you don't need if you want, but by default we make sure everything is there so that it works for everyone. |
| 22:04.43 | foetus | hipz: as i said, i 've tested it for a few weeks. |
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| 22:04.54 | gravity | systm: apt has no knowledge of your hardware |
| 22:05.08 | systm | gravity: sorry this is a lot different for me, I've been using gentoo for 4+ yrs and unless you were explicit with what you want, you dont get it. |
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| 22:05.37 | hipz | foetus, it's the same compressor that 7z uses, just compiled as a filter |
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| 22:05.45 | systm | something that has been consistant, is not being able to compile the closed source BCM4322 driver. |
| 22:05.52 | nil_ | gravity: In hungarian this sentence had meaning :-). In english: The device section should contain more specific stuffs, shouldn't it? |
| 22:06.00 | foetus | packing links, mc, centerim and kernels with it. compiled - no problem. unpacking is very easy. |
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| 22:06.17 | gravity | nil_: No, it shouldn't. The X server is very smart. Smarter than the average user. So we let it figure things out for itself. |
| 22:06.42 | nil_ | gravity: Wow |
| 22:06.55 | nil_ | gravity: I followed README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/compiz-core |
| 22:06.58 | simonrvn | unless the defaults suck ;) |
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| 22:07.20 | nil_ | gravity: And I did not started my IRC client in screen :-D. So I am off for a while. Thanks |
| 22:07.20 | gravity | simonrvn: Yeah, but that's what xorg.conf is for :-) |
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| 22:07.34 | simonrvn | i'm just pullin' your leg |
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| 22:07.44 | foetus | hipz: no. its derived out of Pavlovs LZMA-SDK. this is not 7zip. its the LZMA SDK. these are different things. |
| 22:07.53 | gravity | simonrvn: I know :-) |
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| 22:08.21 | simonrvn | yeh, i had to set mine up a certain way otherwise the x server would eventually totally lock up the machine |
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| 22:08.53 | gravity | It happens. For the most part it's pretty good though. |
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| 22:09.02 | gravity | And it's certainly better than the old script. |
| 22:09.16 | systm | anyone here gotten the linux-sta drivers from broadcom to compile? |
| 22:09.27 | hipz | foetus, see 7-zip.org/sdk.html |
| 22:10.22 | simonrvn | gravity: sure is |
| 22:10.25 | hipz | and the frontpage, for that matter: lzma compression |
| 22:10.29 | foetus | lzma-tests were not successful. very slow, and the apps are running not well after compiling. |
| 22:10.52 | simonrvn | 7zip does not preserve unix perms/ownership |
| 22:11.03 | foetus | beleave it :) |
| 22:11.06 | hipz | putting a tar inside a 7z is redundant |
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| 22:11.16 | simonrvn | "believe" |
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| 22:12.08 | foetus | no. 7z works as an compressor. i pipe it through an shell-wrapper. works fantastic. |
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| 22:12.39 | hipz | foetus, something like tar cf - $files | lzma > archive.tar.lzma does not work? |
| 22:12.52 | foetus | simonrvn: maybe a word puzzle :) |
| 22:13.02 | simonrvn | riiight... |
| 22:13.25 | foetus | hipz: yes, as i said before :) |
| 22:13.58 | foetus | --use-compress-program=`which lzma` |
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| 22:14.23 | foetus | this one works better with old tar. |
| 22:14.42 | hipz | they'll probably integrate it into tar one day, like they did with gzip and bzip2 |
| 22:15.17 | foetus | but..now its gone. i don't need it anymore, however. |
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| 22:15.46 | nil_ | gravity: $ compiz --replace\nChecking for Xgl: not present.\nNo whitelisted driver found\naborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity |
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| 22:15.55 | foetus | hipz: yes, i fear it. |
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| 22:16.07 | systm | how would i go about setting up a login manager such as xdm(slim) to start at boot? |
| 22:16.09 | nil_ | gravity: I managed to insert the fglrx modules |
| 22:16.10 | nil_ | gravity: I managed to insert the fglrx module |
| 22:16.11 | hipz | hmm, I might actually write a patch for that |
| 22:16.31 | nil_ | gravity: I used fglrx-source |
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| 22:16.45 | nil_ | gravity: But I have that error... :-( |
| 22:17.03 | amphi | nil_: you could try not using the wrapper and see what happens |
| 22:17.27 | nil_ | amphi: WFT is wrapper? :-) Do you mean I should run compiz.real ? |
| 22:17.38 | amphi | nil_: right |
| 22:17.47 | digitaloktay | hi #ebian |
| 22:18.05 | amphi | nil_: 'LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 compiz.real --indirect-rendering --replace' or some such |
| 22:18.07 | beardy | !tell bittin about set the time |
| 22:18.26 | nil_ | amphi: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 22:18.35 | nil_ | compiz.real (core) - Fatal: glXCreateContext failed |
| 22:18.47 | nil_ | amphi: Some more errors, then: Segmentation fault |
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| 22:19.29 | nil_ | amphi: Where can I configure extensions on/off? |
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| 22:20.40 | adb | nil_: try > /j #compiz |
| 22:21.33 | nil_ | adb: :-) Thx. I did not know that there is a channel for that. |
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| 22:21.55 | Touns | hi |
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| 22:22.31 | Touns | please, how could I know the name of my USB harddrive that I have plug in /dev/....? |
| 22:22.39 | systm | would it be safe to assume that firefox isnt availible for amd64? |
| 22:22.55 | abrotman | iceweasel is |
| 22:23.12 | merlincorey | Touns: dmesg | tail ? |
| 22:23.16 | systm | abrotman: thanks |
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| 22:24.55 | Touns | merlincorey: I get some error, it's an old computer on a sarge |
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| 22:25.34 | embix | using etch: why is postgresql-8.1 still in minor 15 ? |
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| 22:26.14 | merlincorey | embix: packages are only updated in stable (and etch is OLDER than stable now) for security updates, generally |
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| 22:26.39 | merlincorey | embix: you could most likely safely upgrade to lenny but obviously try not on production first :P |
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| 22:27.14 | embix | i though etch is supported antoher 6 month after lenny == stable |
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| 22:27.27 | embix | at least for security updates |
| 22:27.44 | dkr | embix: 1 year |
| 22:27.51 | merlincorey | yes, but are you saying there is a security update that should be in that is not? |
| 22:27.58 | merlincorey | if so you should probably file a bug report |
| 22:28.03 | merlincorey | or email maintainer |
| 22:28.05 | merlincorey | or both |
| 22:28.12 | embix | thx |
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| 22:28.44 | merlincorey | embix: also maybe try the security list... though I don't think that is exactly the right place for it (not sure where at all, hopefully someone chimes in) |
| 22:29.04 | dkr | why would you think something so arbitrary anyway? someone told you 6 months or you just made it up? |
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| 22:29.48 | embix | i possibly heared it in another context |
| 22:30.13 | dkr | !tell embix about oldstable security |
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| 22:41.33 | systm | has anyone compiled the broadcom-sta driver, im having issues, its telling me to use the makefile it comes with yet, it doesnt have any targets, so it just stops |
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| 22:43.48 | osfd__ | is wengo phone totaly open source ? |
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| 22:46.51 | wwmpcdd | Right now my sources.list file lists the stable distribution. If I wanted to install some packages as stable, and others as unstable, would the smartest way to do this be to add in a line for the unstable distribution, and then manually tell apt what distribution to use (i.e, apt-get install pidgin/unstable)? |
| 22:47.50 | BurdWork | wwmpcdd: not reeally a good idea your install will almost definitely be broken, try backports maybe? |
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| 22:48.55 | wwmpcdd | BurdWork: Well, I'd like to keep most files stable, save for ones I'd like to manually install. Backports is the best bet, you say? |
| 22:49.13 | wwmpcdd | Ones I'd like to manually install from unstable, I should say. |
| 22:49.19 | Offshore | hello ppl |
| 22:49.28 | Offshore | any debian cluster admins? |
| 22:49.46 | BurdWork | wwmpcdd: here's what happens when you start installing from unstable and mixing.. you get this cascading dependencies problem where this requies that and that and that and that requires these and these and these etc etc |
| 22:50.06 | wwmpcdd | gotcha; so I should just choose one and go with it? |
| 22:50.25 | BurdWork | absolutely.. don't use testing in production envrionment tho.. you'll regret it |
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| 22:50.31 | wwmpcdd | See, I'm used to Gentoo, which always installed the bleeding edge, but my system got screwed |
| 22:50.31 | BurdWork | I mean unstable sorry |
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| 22:51.11 | wwmpcdd | The thing that stinks about that, though, is there are a lot of old packages in stable/testing |
| 22:51.28 | BurdWork | wwmpcdd: my suggestion, take with grain of salt, is if your new to debian stick to stable for a while, then move to testing.. unstable is almost always broken |
| 22:51.41 | GillaGal | What is the max amount of memory I should allow php to be using under Apache? |
| 22:51.48 | BurdWork | wwmpcdd: check out backports for bleeding edge designed for stable |
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| 22:52.34 | ajavid | GillaGal, probably ask in ##php |
| 22:52.41 | wwmpcdd | okay, thanks, I'll check backports out then. |
| 22:53.11 | GillaGal | ajavid I have... no reply. :) |
| 22:53.22 | wwmpcdd | So what do you do when debian has a really old version except in sid? Just wait? |
| 22:53.34 | BurdWork | i do yes |
| 22:53.48 | ajavid | GillaGal, probably ask in #apache |
| 22:53.54 | BurdWork | on my desktop system i run testing, on my servers I run stable |
| 22:54.07 | BurdWork | that seems to work well and yes soemtimes you play the waiting game |
| 22:54.11 | ajavid | I am so leet i run debian in my mind! |
| 22:54.20 | BurdWork | haha |
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| 22:55.09 | wwmpcdd | okay, well thanks for the info; I'll assume you've had problems with sid in the past. If that's the case I'll probably just stick with stable |
| 22:55.23 | BurdWork | I've never had a sid install that wasn't broken ;) |
| 22:55.29 | wwmpcdd | heh, okay |
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| 22:57.10 | dkr | !sid |
| 22:57.10 | dpkg | sid is probably the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
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| 22:57.50 | dkr | backronymed. :) verbing weirds language |
| 22:58.10 | BurdWork | ty dkr i knew that was there somewhere I'm just not fully familiar with dpkg commands |
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| 22:59.22 | bob489 | when you do a net install and choose to continue using ssh... what login name do you use? root doesn't seem to work |
| 22:59.50 | BurdWork | bob489: it tells you when you set it up... |
| 23:00.05 | bob489 | yikes.. |
| 23:00.15 | bob489 | i must not have read carefully |
| 23:00.21 | BurdWork | hehe.. easy to do |
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| 23:02.21 | systm | what would i need to make a kernel module other then the headers and the source? |
| 23:02.31 | BurdWork | kernel-package |
| 23:02.42 | BurdWork | build-essential even would work |
| 23:03.01 | systm | BurdWork: i hate broadcom.. :( |
| 23:03.12 | BurdWork | I think the later gets kernel-package |
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| 23:03.32 | systm | its still saying that there are no targets and no make files.. |
| 23:03.45 | BurdWork | systm: yes but look on the bright side.. your LEARNING :) |
| 23:04.14 | adb | !m-a |
| 23:04.15 | dpkg | i guess module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare" http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant |
| 23:04.17 | systm | BurdWork: how to be come extremely frustrated, yes. wish there was an ebuild, and poof done. this |
| 23:04.50 | adb | systm: ^^ |
| 23:04.53 | BurdWork | yes listen to adb m-a || module-assistant as long as your building the kernel module the debian way |
| 23:05.48 | systm | well i have to do it the way broadcom requires, its not a regular module |
| 23:06.13 | BurdWork | thats kind of what i assumed |
| 23:06.23 | BurdWork | you sure there's no debian modules available for you card? |
| 23:06.39 | systm | not unless i want the ndis i believe |
| 23:06.52 | BurdWork | wireless? |
| 23:06.56 | systm | yes |
| 23:06.57 | BurdWork | what chipset |
| 23:07.02 | systm | bcm4322 |
| 23:07.19 | adb | !43 |
| 23:07.27 | adb | !b43 |
| 23:07.27 | dpkg | somebody said b43 was the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets (http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:07.55 | BurdWork | well there you are |
| 23:08.26 | dustybin | if software crashes, does that mean its dangerous, because it can be exploited? |
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| 23:08.36 | systm | i used gentoo up til this morning when i formatted for deb, and i had to use the broadcom-sta ebuild to get it to be detected. |
| 23:08.59 | systm | the command that it wants me to use, is, make -C /lib/modules/ |
| 23:09.21 | systm | make -C /lib/modules/'uname -r'/build M='pwd' |
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| 23:09.31 | munken | Heya, I have a debian-related question I guess. There's a server running Kernel version: 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem (SMP) with 8GB, does this mean that the PAE recudes the I/O dramatically? |
| 23:09.32 | systm | yet when i do that it says i have no targets |
| 23:09.41 | munken | 8GB of ram, that is. |
| 23:09.41 | BurdWork | systm: take the advice and try #bcm-users .. what worked in gentoo does not mean that is how it is doen with debian |
| 23:09.58 | systm | BurdWork: oh i know, but i just know that i need that actual driver |
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| 23:10.32 | BurdWork | my suggestion is to try the debian package first and see what happens |
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| 23:11.37 | systm | BurdWork: will do.. off to work i go |
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| 23:11.48 | BurdWork | thats funyn I'm leaving work right now :) |
| 23:12.07 | initq | wait |
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| 23:13.06 | jpinx | why can't I dd a CD onto a 1 GB usb memory stick? it's telling me it's full after 10MBs are transferred:( sudo dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/dev/sd |
| 23:13.31 | ajavid | you can't do that to a thingy |
| 23:13.33 | ajavid | jpinx |
| 23:14.16 | asdfqwer | I'm back, something funky has happened with X; so any time gdm attempts to run it shows me gnome's loading cursor and my gdm's background-color then hangs, it repeats this process another 5 times then displays this message: The display server has been shut down about 6 times in the last 90 seconds. It is likely that something bad is going on. Waiting for 2 minutes before trying on display :0. |
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| 23:14.48 | ajavid | don't use dd, just make an iso of the cd and put on usb, like have the usb thingy mounted, and dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/media/usbmountpoint/blah.iso |
| 23:14.54 | ajavid | i dunno |
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| 23:14.56 | ajavid | whatever |
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| 23:15.21 | asdfqwer | shouldn't my display server be, :0.0 ? |
| 23:15.51 | Lns | jpinx: your dd command is off - hopefully you didn't screw your /dev/sd file =) |
| 23:16.09 | Lns | jpinx: try dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/dev/sd1/cdrom.iso |
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| 23:16.19 | Lns | ah crap |
| 23:16.20 | Lns | no |
| 23:16.28 | bbelt16ag2 | hey peeps whats a good mmorpg or rpg for linux |
| 23:16.39 | Lns | jpinx: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/mountpoint-of-usbdrive/cdrom.iso |
| 23:16.40 | bob489 | trying to install from my private mirror... getting not a valid mirror |
| 23:16.49 | ajavid | Lns, what do you think i just told him |
| 23:16.51 | bob489 | using debmirror |
| 23:16.55 | jetscreamer | yay no pda |
| 23:16.56 | bob489 | any clue? |
| 23:17.14 | Lns | ajavid: sorry didn't see your reply ;) |
| 23:17.23 | ajavid | word |
| 23:17.26 | jetscreamer | glest looks ok but no idea if anybody plays it bbelt16ag2 |
| 23:17.39 | jetscreamer | graphics are nice, models kinda small |
| 23:17.45 | ajavid | its lame |
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| 23:17.50 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:17.50 | ajavid | daimonin |
| 23:17.53 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 23:17.54 | ajavid | good stuff |
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| 23:18.01 | ajavid | and i know my rpgs |
| 23:18.04 | ajavid | :D |
| 23:18.19 | bbelt16ag2 | whats it called |
| 23:18.24 | bbelt16ag2 | ?? |
| 23:18.33 | ajavid | whats what called? |
| 23:18.37 | ajavid | lol |
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| 23:18.46 | bbelt16ag2 | glest? |
| 23:18.52 | ajavid | laughs at obvious syntactical problem with this question |
| 23:18.58 | Lns | ajavid: seems nobody can hear you .. ;) |
| 23:19.11 | ajavid | bbelt16ag2, no man daimonin |
| 23:19.15 | bbelt16ag2 | ok |
| 23:19.17 | ajavid | graphical isometric mud |
| 23:19.21 | dkr | bbelt16ag2: neverwinter nights |
| 23:19.24 | ajavid | mmorpg, tile based |
| 23:19.27 | bbelt16ag2 | ok |
| 23:19.30 | ajavid | very good and in depth |
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| 23:19.49 | ajavid | dkr, its not in debian |
| 23:19.54 | bbelt16ag2 | was thinking of install NWN |
| 23:19.57 | ajavid | and its not free |
| 23:19.57 | dkr | ajavid: he asked for linux |
| 23:20.08 | ajavid | he asked for free or pay |
| 23:20.13 | ajavid | or just anything |
| 23:20.20 | Lns | Anyone know of a way to speed up i/o performance on a usb hard drive? I'm trying to gzip something on it and it seems to lag after a few hundred MB |
| 23:20.25 | ajavid | cuz you wanna pay, go get you some Oblivion and get addicted |
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| 23:20.32 | jpinx | Lns: that dd isn't working either |
| 23:20.40 | bbelt16ag2 | ok |
| 23:20.44 | ajavid | I spend $1400 on Oblivion |
| 23:20.46 | Lns | jpinx: what does it say |
| 23:20.53 | dkr | ajavid: oblivion was the reason I dual booted my debian home machine into windows, :) |
| 23:20.55 | ajavid | game plus machine with badass gear |
| 23:21.00 | jpinx | I am trying to make a replica of a windows installer CD on a USB memory stick |
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| 23:21.14 | ajavid | jpinx, its not the same file system format |
| 23:21.17 | ajavid | can't copy it like that |
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| 23:21.27 | Lns | ajavid: why not? it's dd, it doesn't look at the fs |
| 23:21.32 | ajavid | single track cds |
| 23:21.35 | ajavid | usb isn't |
| 23:21.44 | Lns | /dev/cdrom is a block device no? |
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| 23:21.48 | ajavid | yes |
| 23:21.52 | jpinx | dd does byte by byte copies - nothing to do witht he fs |
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| 23:22.02 | Lns | i've copied plenty of CDs w/dd |
| 23:22.03 | ajavid | you don't understand |
| 23:22.08 | Lns | and DVDs |
| 23:22.32 | Lns | jpinx: s/byte/bit =) |
| 23:22.37 | jpinx | Lns: I need to make a replica of the installer to install it in a VM |
| 23:23.17 | Lns | jpinx: what did the error tell you when you tried dd? |
| 23:23.30 | jpinx | dd: opening `/dev/sdb/cdrom.iso': Not a directory |
| 23:23.36 | jpinx | Lns: ^^ |
| 23:23.39 | Lns | jpinx: heh |
| 23:23.52 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 23:23.57 | Lns | jpinx: of= needs to point to your desired filename in a mounted dir |
| 23:24.02 | Lns | not a device |
| 23:24.11 | jpinx | Lns: I have dd'd onto a device before |
| 23:24.24 | Lns | jpinx: yeah but not a file within a device =p |
| 23:24.28 | jpinx | like when I dd'd the installer for my eeepc |
| 23:24.39 | jetscreamer | the /dev/sdb and the cdrom.iso are exclusive in that... you go from sdb to the iso or vice versa |
| 23:25.05 | Lns | jpinx: if you want to create an ISO file you have to point to a dir, not a dev name |
| 23:25.05 | jetscreamer | dd if=/dev/sdb of=~/cdrom.iso |
| 23:25.07 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 23:25.16 | Lns | jpinx: ^^^ |
| 23:25.31 | jetscreamer | inputfile outputfile |
| 23:25.41 | jpinx | creates a partition and filesystem and tries again |
| 23:26.05 | Lns | i <3 dd..just mounted a filesystem image and restored a file from it today |
| 23:26.10 | jetscreamer | or, dd if=~/cdrom.iso of=/dev/... uh no you use growisofs don't you |
| 23:26.13 | Lns | ultimate backup |
| 23:26.22 | jetscreamer | for an hd part you would go to sdb |
| 23:26.29 | ajavid | jetscreamer, dude i tried to explain to him why you can dd a cd to a usb device directly |
| 23:26.34 | ajavid | but no body listens to me |
| 23:26.48 | bbelt16ag2 | sigh i am trying to find something to take the place of Everquest while i am broke and unemployed |
| 23:26.59 | ajavid | gotta put it on a fucking FS on the damn usb |
| 23:27.01 | jpinx | ajavid: sorry - I missed your comment |
| 23:27.03 | ajavid | how hard is that to understand |
| 23:27.03 | jetscreamer | i tried that, didn't work for me on this old box... it thought it was an armd:fdd |
| 23:27.12 | dkr | bbelt16ag2: nethack |
| 23:27.16 | Lns | bbelt16ag2: pot? =p |
| 23:27.26 | bbelt16ag2 | i wish i could |
| 23:27.37 | jetscreamer | glest reminds me ofET , the ambience |
| 23:27.41 | jetscreamer | nice engine imo |
| 23:27.54 | Lns | ajavid: hey now give him a break |
| 23:27.54 | bbelt16ag2 | nethack is too cli for my gaming tastes. i wanted somethng a little bit better then castle of the winds and daimonin looks like it |
| 23:28.36 | adb | jpinx: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html#4.3 |
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| 23:28.59 | ajavid | Lns, you're one to talk |
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| 23:29.32 | ajavid | you're sitting here telling me you've done the impossible many times I'm sitting here going ... ok. |
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| 23:29.45 | Lns | ajavid: lol..ok, whatever you say bro |
| 23:30.00 | jpinx | bugger - seems to have screwed the USB memory stick |
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| 23:30.35 | Lns | ajavid: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-creating-cd-rom-iso-image.html |
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| 23:30.57 | bbelt16ag2 | ok who has played castle of the winds? |
| 23:31.26 | ajavid | 07:10 < ajavid> don't use dd, just make an iso of the cd and put on usb, like have the usb thingy mounted, and dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/media/usbmountpoint/blah.iso |
| 23:31.45 | ajavid | your point is? |
| 23:32.01 | Lns | ajavid: ok...so what am i saying i did that was impossible...? |
| 23:32.21 | ajavid | nothing, you obviously didn't follow/understand what I was saying |
| 23:32.24 | ajavid | so nevermind itnow |
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| 23:32.45 | jpinx | is now confused |
| 23:32.48 | Lns | lol |
| 23:32.50 | Lns | is too |
| 23:32.56 | osfd__ | which sip service / client is good and easy to install in debian lenny ? |
| 23:33.21 | ajavid | install syslinux, put the damn iso on the usb. google 'multiboot usb linux' |
| 23:33.23 | ajavid | ffs |
| 23:33.28 | jpinx | Lns: am I doing dd without a filesystem on the target or not? |
| 23:33.31 | ajavid | :) pffft |
| 23:33.49 | Lns | jpinx: ok...are you trying to create an ISO file? |
| 23:33.53 | jpinx | ajavid: thanks but maybe you missed the origianl question |
| 23:33.57 | ajavid | no I didn't |
| 23:34.13 | ajavid | you said you wanted to create a usb boot thingy of windows or whatever |
| 23:34.30 | ajavid | you can't simply dd the cd to the usb in a non-iso format |
| 23:34.31 | Lns | ajavid: lol boot thingy |
| 23:34.38 | ajavid | which is why you get the error after inital 10mb |
| 23:34.40 | jpinx | I want a replica of the windows XP installer CD on a memory stick so that I can install XP on a VM in my eeepc which has no cd player |
| 23:34.48 | ajavid | am I getting through to you at all? |
| 23:34.50 | Lns | jpinx: OH. |
| 23:34.58 | ajavid | yes |
| 23:35.02 | Lns | hahahhaha |
| 23:35.04 | Lns | ok |
| 23:35.07 | ajavid | learn how to make a proper fucking boot thingy |
| 23:35.09 | ajavid | ffs |
| 23:35.32 | Lns | pfbt == proper fucking boot thingy |
| 23:35.39 | ajavid | you use system linux and a boot image to load the usb and that in turn loads the windows files which you extract from the iso and place on the usb in a special directory and you have to configure thingies |
| 23:35.55 | ajavid | go google the goddamn 'multiboot usb linux' |
| 23:35.58 | ajavid | or some such |
| 23:35.59 | jpinx | ajavid - I have successfully dd's an installer onto an unmounted device |
| 23:36.42 | jpinx | ajavid: I appreciate your time, but your are making no sense at all |
| 23:37.02 | ajavid | yup, I'm throwing pearls in front of swine... I beg your pardon. |
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| 23:37.18 | asdfqwer | !dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:37.18 | dpkg | dpkg-reconfigure is, like, a tool used to reconfigure packages |
| 23:37.35 | asdfqwer | oh wow. how do i show all my available frontends? |
| 23:38.14 | Lns | ajavid: i apologize, i didn't know he wanted to actually BOOT the windows install from the usb drive. weird. |
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| 23:38.27 | Brian17 | can i make a dual boot with windows xp if windows isn't installed on c drive? |
| 23:38.29 | Lns | ajavid: but i don't apologize for you being a douchebag. =p |
| 23:38.40 | ajavid | but I'm not a douche bag |
| 23:38.42 | ajavid | I ran out of patience |
| 23:38.47 | ajavid | I apologize for that. |
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| 23:38.59 | Lns | ajavid: :) |
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| 23:39.19 | jpinx | Lns: ajavid I am now unable to partition the usb memory - cfdisk reporte "can not get disk size" |
| 23:39.20 | foetus | Brian17: no. windows should already be on disk before. |
| 23:39.40 | Brian17 | windows is on a disk |
| 23:39.45 | Brian17 | just not the c drive |
| 23:39.47 | ajavid | http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=18846 |
| 23:39.51 | ajavid | jpinx, ^^ |
| 23:40.01 | foetus | Brian17: then - allright. |
| 23:40.02 | Brian17 | it installed on the F drive.... |
| 23:40.22 | lymeca | I installed Debian Lenny via debootstrap, but booting fails and freezes after starting crond: http://pastebin.ca/1365566 |
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| 23:40.29 | aanderse | hi i was in here earlier today and was pointed to bcm-users about an issue with my broadcom4328 wireless chipset but the channel topic said "No bcm4328 support so far, we are working on that. Don't ask. There is NO support!" |
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| 23:40.36 | Brian17 | where does debian install bootloader? i have multiple harddrives so this is important |
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| 23:40.48 | pl4yer0ne | Brian17, on the MBR |
| 23:40.48 | ajavid | jpinx, also check out neowin |
| 23:40.54 | ajavid | jpinx, and ##windows |
| 23:40.59 | foetus | Brian17: but win must be on a primary partition, it can only boot from that. |
| 23:41.11 | ajavid | Brian17, same place as always |
| 23:41.18 | ajavid | Brian17, /boot/ |
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| 23:41.55 | jpinx | ajavid: that is a page for windows users |
| 23:42.01 | jpinx | I am running lenny |
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| 23:42.12 | Lns | windows lenny! |
| 23:42.14 | ajavid | so you don't want to learn the procedure, you want to be spoonfed for linux? |
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| 23:42.24 | foetus | chainloader +1 and makeactive works only on bootable partitions, so win must be on a primary one |
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| 23:42.37 | ajavid | ok |
| 23:42.46 | aanderse | so does anyone know where i can get some support for debian + broadcom 4328 chipset? |
| 23:42.51 | merlincorey | W 15 |
| 23:43.16 | foetus | you cannot activate a secondary partition for win. |
| 23:43.21 | ajavid | foetus, doesn't have to be bootable does it? |
| 23:43.27 | aanderse | i heard that linux_sta chipset might be able to help me out... i compiled but didn't have any luck |
| 23:43.29 | Brian17 | does debian automatically set-up grub |
| 23:43.32 | ajavid | foetus, it merely needs to contain a pointer in the mbr of that disk to another boot loader |
| 23:43.35 | Quicken2k | will debian have anymore versions or is lenny the last? |
| 23:43.42 | Brian17 | more versions |
| 23:43.49 | ajavid | foetus, thats what chainloading does, it passes control from grub to ntlrd |
| 23:43.49 | pl4yer0ne | aanderse, If bcm-users dont support it then no-one will. |
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| 23:43.56 | jpinx | ajavid: you are really not helping here - that is no use when I am working in linux |
| 23:44.07 | ajavid | jpinx, then don't listen tom e |
| 23:44.12 | aanderse | pl4yer0ne: so are you saying my wireless card won't work? |
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| 23:44.19 | jpinx | Lns: give me a clue - or is my memstick totally screwed now? |
| 23:44.21 | Quicken2k | where can I find a repository list? |
| 23:44.47 | pl4yer0ne | aanderse, give me the exact card / chipset and i'll have a look and see what i can find |
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| 23:45.09 | aanderse | pl4yer0ne: thank you very much... 1 sec |
| 23:45.10 | Lns | jpinx: no clue. do an 'ls -l' on your usb device |
| 23:45.17 | Lns | did you overwrite the device file? |
| 23:45.25 | foetus | ajavid: yes, but win can only boot from primary, other methods are sounding futuristical to me :) |
| 23:45.41 | Brian17 | does debian detect windows partitions when it sets up grub? |
| 23:45.50 | jpinx | Lns: the usb device wnt mount and I can't make partitions on it |
| 23:45.58 | jpinx | cfdisk says it can't get the disk size |
| 23:46.10 | ajavid | foetus, but we're not talking about win, we're talking about chainloading |
| 23:46.11 | ajavid | :) |
| 23:46.14 | Lns | jpinx: what's the usb device name |
| 23:46.35 | Lns | jpinx: eg. /dev/sdc |
| 23:46.37 | aanderse | pl4yer0ne: broadcom corporation bcm4328 802.11a/b/g/n [14e4:4328] (rev 03) |
| 23:46.41 | ajavid | use dd to wipe the usb |
| 23:46.49 | jpinx | /dev/sdb |
| 23:46.58 | Lns | jpinx: ls -l /dev/sdb |
| 23:47.08 | Lns | echo the output here |
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| 23:47.19 | ajavid | no dont echo the output here |
| 23:47.23 | ajavid | use a pastebin |
| 23:47.27 | Lns | jpinx: 1 line |
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| 23:47.34 | Lns | sorry |
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| 23:48.56 | adb | !tell aanderse -about b43 |
| 23:48.57 | jpinx | http://pastebin.com/m2b1d2a5c |
| 23:49.00 | jpinx | Lns: ^^ |
| 23:49.08 | foetus | ajavid: wasting time maybe...) |
| 23:49.35 | Lns | jpinx: ls -l /dev/sdb |
| 23:50.09 | jpinx | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10383360 2009-03-19 18:45 /dev/sdb |
| 23:50.13 | aanderse | adb: #bcm-users says "No bcm4328 support so far, we are working on that. Don't ask. There is NO support!" |
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| 23:50.25 | jpinx | Lns: ^^ |
| 23:50.53 | adb | aanderse: ah, ok |
| 23:51.16 | Lns | jpinx: ;) you need to recreate your /dev/sdb file |
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| 23:51.30 | Lns | you used dd and overwrote the device file |
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| 23:52.06 | jpinx | Lns: the device is not mounted - there is no partition table or filesystem |
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| 23:52.33 | Lns | jpinx: -rw-r--r-- <---- look at that. |
| 23:52.59 | jpinx | tells me nothign |
| 23:52.59 | pl4yer0ne | aanderse, looks like people might use ndiswrapper to get it working |
| 23:53.00 | Lns | jpinx: now look at mine: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16 2009-03-19 10:21 /dev/sdb |
| 23:53.18 | pl4yer0ne | but ndiswrapper is the devil and nasty and it sucks |
| 23:53.20 | Lns | jpinx: i'll leave it up to you to tell the diff |
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| 23:53.36 | jpinx | ok thanks |
| 23:53.36 | Lns | jpinx: hint: google 'mknod' and 'block device' |
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| 23:57.55 | bob489 | has anyone used anonftpsync? |
| 23:57.57 | bob489 | http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync |
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| 23:58.14 | jpinx | Lns: total greek to me |
| 23:58.17 | pl4yer0ne | !anyone |
| 23:58.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search> |
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| 23:59.04 | Lns | jpinx: well i don't want to sound like a jerk...but what you want to do requires a lot of knowledge that you seem to be lacking. No offense at all - but you've got to study up on the tools you use to accomplish what you're asking here |
| 23:59.31 | jpinx | easier to buy a new usb memory |
| 23:59.38 | Lns | jpinx: that's not going to help |
| 23:59.44 | Lns | you need to recreate your /dev/sdb |
| 23:59.44 | jpinx | I am a user not an admin |
