| 00:00.18 | Pnux | ajavid: it isnt hard, but its simpler, some times |
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| 00:00.53 | ajavid | I dunno its a pet peeve of mine whenever I see the word synaptic I get like *sigh* |
| 00:00.57 | ajavid | there goes another one |
| 00:01.03 | abrotman | kind of like enter key abuse ... |
| 00:01.17 | Pnux | i mean, its easier to use synaptic. and as far as i know (not much by the way), synaptic as a more advanced search |
| 00:01.42 | pickcoder | Alam_Lenny: builtin defines?? |
| 00:02.03 | Pnux | agrees with abrotman |
| 00:02.08 | ajavid | Pnux, well you're a Pnux so your opinion doesn't count ;) |
| 00:02.21 | theholyduck | ajavid, aptsh <3<3<3 |
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| 00:03.16 | Alam_Lenny | I know GCC defines __GNUC__, I want to know what Debian's gcc-4.3 also defines |
| 00:05.34 | simonrvn | Alam_Lenny: try checking out the stuff in /usr/lib/gcc maybe |
| 00:06.26 | Alam_Lenny | .. |
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| 00:06.59 | pickcoder | Alam_Lenny: install libc6-dev and look in /usr/include/ |
| 00:07.39 | Alam_Lenny | found it: touch foobar.c; gcc -dM -E foobar.c |
| 00:07.40 | simonrvn | Alam_Lenny: here, have a cookie |
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| 00:10.38 | BCM43 | ekiga says that my acer aspire one web cam does not have compatible drivers for the video format. Cheese works find. Could somebody help me fix this? |
| 00:11.22 | theholyduck | BCM43, #kukilinux specializes in the aspire and hacks and what not for it |
| 00:11.34 | BCM43 | thanks |
| 00:11.35 | theholyduck | they should probaly know how to make it work |
| 00:12.09 | BCM43 | not many people there |
| 00:12.12 | abrotman | how does that help him fix debian ? |
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| 00:14.15 | memo2009 | hi |
| 00:14.26 | BCM43 | hi |
| 00:14.31 | theholyduck | abrotman, even if its a shitty ubuntu derative its basicly a bunch of dorks who all use aspire ones |
| 00:14.39 | theholyduck | they probaly know the kinks of the system |
| 00:14.54 | abrotman | BCM43: is it USB or PCI ? |
| 00:15.04 | BCM43 | pci |
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| 00:15.48 | BCM43 | how do i switch from v4l1 to v4l2? |
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| 00:17.20 | pickcoder | v4l2 is already installed |
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| 00:17.36 | BCM43 | pickcoder: how do i tell it to use it? |
| 00:18.13 | pickcoder | is it a uvc camera? |
| 00:18.20 | BCM43 | pickcoder: yes |
| 00:18.23 | pickcoder | good luck |
| 00:18.33 | BCM43 | ?? |
| 00:18.56 | pickcoder | I have a Logitech pro5000 that took me several weeks to get a snapshot from |
| 00:19.03 | BCM43 | oh boy |
| 00:19.07 | pickcoder | there are no decent uvc tools |
| 00:19.12 | pickcoder | uvcvirew is ok |
| 00:19.17 | BCM43 | pickcoder: cheese works fine |
| 00:19.23 | BCM43 | just not ekiga |
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| 00:19.43 | pickcoder | I know.. and it won't unless you can tell it to use a stream |
| 00:20.03 | pickcoder | hold on.. let me look at my motion setup |
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| 00:20.46 | cjae | ok I am running kubuntu 8.10 with kde 4.2 but so much stuff does not work as expected I found http://www.ppcnux.com/?q=kde42-on-debian-gnu-lenny does it matter which cd I download to do this? |
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| 00:21.50 | pickcoder | I think I used uvc_streamer |
| 00:21.52 | BCM43 | cjae: what do you mean which cd? |
| 00:21.57 | abrotman | cjae: not really |
| 00:22.04 | simonrvn | cjae: http://www.debian.org/CD/ and fetch the kde one. lenny won't have 4.x just 3.5.9/10 |
| 00:22.09 | abrotman | BCM43: what's the PCI id ? |
| 00:22.18 | pickcoder | that will let you create a tcp stream which other tools can connect to |
| 00:22.39 | pickcoder | the only problem I found is that the ?snapshot function will work with my cam, but not ?stream |
| 00:22.50 | BCM43 | ok |
| 00:22.50 | BCM43 | thanks |
| 00:22.50 | cjae | simonrvn: this is the dvd I have already http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/iso-dvd/debian-500-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 00:22.54 | pickcoder | I.E. http://localhost?snapshot |
| 00:23.30 | pickcoder | IIRC you can set the fps for the streaming on the service |
| 00:23.31 | BCM43 | what packedge is it in? |
| 00:23.33 | pickcoder | as well as the size |
| 00:23.36 | pickcoder | it's not a package.. |
| 00:23.56 | pickcoder | Debian has hardly any uvc tools |
| 00:24.09 | pickcoder | despite the fact that most of the recent cameras are all uvc |
| 00:24.09 | abrotman | BCM43: what's the PCI id ? |
| 00:24.11 | BCM43 | pickcoder: how do install it |
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| 00:24.18 | Pinchiukas | Can somebody recommend a decent console bittorrent client? I've tried rTorrent and didn't really like it. |
| 00:24.46 | cjae | simonrvn: will that one work because I see debian has a separate kde release, so it would be in my best interest to download that one instead |
| 00:24.46 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: nothing is remotely as good |
| 00:24.56 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: but transmission has a console client |
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| 00:25.17 | Pinchiukas | This sucks :(. |
| 00:25.19 | pickcoder | BCM43: can you paste the PCI ID for abrotman |
| 00:25.30 | BCM43 | pickcoder: ok |
| 00:25.31 | pickcoder | fwiw: http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Uvc |
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| 00:25.37 | pickcoder | zoneminder is neat |
| 00:25.40 | Pinchiukas | rTorrent is not that good when compared to uTorrent. |
| 00:25.41 | abrotman | pickcoder: no no .. i'll just keep asking :) |
| 00:25.44 | simonrvn | cjae: dvd 1 has a lot of stuff on it |
| 00:25.46 | pickcoder | just can't get zones to work |
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| 00:26.01 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: what is it doing wrong? |
| 00:26.02 | pickcoder | abrotman: sorry.. I know how much you like to ask for the same info over and over |
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| 00:26.07 | abrotman | pickcoder: no no .. i'll just keep asking :) |
| 00:26.10 | abrotman | BCM43: what's the PCI id ? |
| 00:26.11 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: or do you just not like the UI? |
| 00:26.13 | abrotman | hides |
| 00:26.16 | cusco | the ncurses one is the best one imho |
| 00:26.20 | BCM43 | abrotman: i forgot how to figure that out |
| 00:26.23 | abrotman | lspci -nn |
| 00:26.28 | pickcoder | lsusb |
| 00:26.31 | pickcoder | oh |
| 00:26.33 | pickcoder | it's not usb |
| 00:26.35 | abrotman | he said it was pci |
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| 00:27.17 | cjae | simonrvn: I downloaded awhile ago via bittorrent and by getting the dvd I was hoping to relieve the debian servers instead of getting everything from them, I see what has happened to the ubuntu servers :( |
| 00:27.22 | Pinchiukas | valdyn: I didn't like that it created sparse files for all the files I chose not to download. Samba sees them as full files and it's impossible to see which file is complete and which is not. |
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| 00:27.56 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: why would you look directly at the files to see if they are complete or not? |
| 00:28.08 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: thats in any case the hard way |
| 00:28.20 | BCM43 | abrotman: I don't see it listed: http://pastebin.com/m4a12ad17 |
| 00:28.25 | Pinchiukas | What's the hard way? Browsing my files via samba? |
| 00:28.32 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: yea |
| 00:28.37 | abrotman | BCM43: you told me it was pci |
| 00:28.43 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: how can you tell if its at 99% or 100%? |
| 00:28.46 | Pinchiukas | valdyn: tell me an easier way. |
| 00:28.51 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: or if it cant be transferred at all |
| 00:28.53 | BCM43 | abrotman: i thought it was. nothing shows up on lsub |
| 00:28.55 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: looking at rtorrent |
| 00:28.56 | Pinchiukas | valdyn: no way via samba, only opening it. |
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| 00:29.04 | BCM43 | abrotman: *lsusb |
| 00:29.05 | themill | there's an atheros chip there (or do I need to read more scrollback) |
| 00:29.15 | cjae | simonrvn: do you think I would be in my best interest to just get the cd bittorrent with kde 3.5 (lenny) and follow that page I linked |
| 00:29.24 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: samba is the *wrong* way to check if a download is complete |
| 00:29.36 | Pinchiukas | valdyn: well having to login to the shell and navigate my 100+ torrents, then the 1000 files in a torrent is sure harder than browsing via samba. |
| 00:29.50 | abrotman | BCM43: lsusb -v .. nothing ? |
| 00:29.58 | Pinchiukas | I'm not using samba to *check*, I'm downloading the files to my laptop via samba. |
| 00:30.01 | simonrvn | cjae: i don't know what that page you linked says |
| 00:30.36 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: you *just* said that you cant check with samba |
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| 00:30.57 | BCM43 | abrotman: whoops, there it is under lsusb Bus 001 Device 010: ID 064e:d101 Suyin Corp. |
| 00:31.20 | Pinchiukas | valdyn: well I don't remember what files I downloaded in all of the torrents and I see all torrent files, not downloaded ones. |
| 00:31.32 | newbieer | i want a way to specify which dhcp server to ask for lease |
| 00:31.44 | Pinchiukas | So I have to either login via ssh, or download the files and try opening them. |
| 00:31.47 | pickcoder | it's uvc1.0 |
| 00:31.51 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 00:32.17 | cjae | simonrvn: It tells you to put in the kde 4.2.1 deb repos, purge the current desktop and update apt and install kde 4.3 |
| 00:32.21 | cjae | 4.2 |
| 00:32.21 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: and logging in via ssh is hard? I dont really understand the problem |
| 00:32.55 | Pinchiukas | valdyn: I share to more people than myself. I won't give them my account password to log int o. |
| 00:33.01 | Pinchiukas | *log in to. |
| 00:33.09 | BCM43 | pickcoder: kukilinux told me to switch to v4l2 from v4l1 |
| 00:33.10 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: but you will give them samba access? |
| 00:33.15 | Pinchiukas | valdyn: yes. |
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| 00:33.30 | Pinchiukas | And most of the people don't even know what ssh id. |
| 00:33.31 | Pinchiukas | *is |
| 00:33.32 | pickcoder | BCM43: it probably won't help but you can try |
| 00:33.39 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: so you really want something like a web ui for rtorrent |
| 00:33.43 | abrotman | supposedly it's uvcvideo ? |
| 00:33.48 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: because not using sparse files is totally stupid |
| 00:33.49 | BCM43 | pickcoder: how do that? |
| 00:33.50 | pickcoder | the problem is uvc is not well supported in Linux |
| 00:34.00 | pickcoder | BCM43: there should be an option in video device setup |
| 00:34.02 | Pinchiukas | valdyn: no, I want the client not to create files which are not going to be downloaded. |
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| 00:34.12 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: ah |
| 00:34.13 | Pinchiukas | valdyn: and why is it stupid? |
| 00:34.15 | BCM43 | pickcoder: how do i get to that? |
| 00:34.19 | pickcoder | I don't remembt |
| 00:34.29 | pickcoder | let me see if it's still installed |
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| 00:36.45 | pickcoder | preferences, devices, video device |
| 00:37.00 | pickcoder | video plug-in should have an option for V4L@ |
| 00:37.05 | pickcoder | V4L2 |
| 00:37.20 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: because not using sparse files youd have to create huge files from the start. That takes a stupid amount of time and resources. |
| 00:37.25 | pickcoder | my camera won't work due to video format setting problems |
| 00:37.46 | BCM43 | pickcoder: i don't see devices |
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| 00:38.08 | Pinchiukas | valdyn: and using sparse files creates stupidly fragmented files, so 1:1. |
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| 00:38.17 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: nope |
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| 00:38.43 | [Snipe] | can someone tell me how I can get the uptime of a process? |
| 00:38.56 | Pinchiukas | valdyn: nope what? |
| 00:39.07 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: it does not fragment that bad |
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| 00:39.38 | Pinchiukas | valdyn: but it does fragment. |
| 00:39.48 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: thats not a problem |
| 00:39.57 | pickcoder | BCM43: edit, preferences, there should be a drop-down called "devices" |
| 00:39.58 | abrotman | why do people keep changing nicks .. |
| 00:40.21 | Pinchiukas | valdyn: and why not? |
| 00:40.29 | BCM43 | pickcoder: oh, in ekiga |
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| 00:41.15 | BCM43 | pickcoder: k, works now, thanks |
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| 00:43.28 | BCM43 | abrotman: thank you, too |
| 00:43.47 | abrotman | did i help ? |
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| 00:45.37 | BCM43 | abrotman: you tried |
| 00:45.45 | abrotman | i failed! |
| 00:45.49 | abrotman | runs to the corner and cries |
| 00:45.52 | BCM43 | lols |
| 00:45.56 | BCM43 | **lol |
| 00:46.07 | BCM43 | is happy you helped any way |
| 00:46.20 | pickcoder | one more day till vacation.. I'm ready to get on the plane |
| 00:46.37 | pickcoder | s/vacation/conference |
| 00:46.58 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:47.00 | simNIX | technical conference ? |
| 00:47.10 | pickcoder | sorta |
| 00:47.13 | lostson | does abrotman need a towel ? |
| 00:47.26 | abrotman | needs food |
| 00:47.40 | pickcoder | pick conference held by International Spectrum |
| 00:47.58 | abrotman | !pal pickcoder |
| 00:47.58 | dpkg | points at pickcoder and laughs hysterically |
| 00:48.04 | pickcoder | a week in CO away from the office |
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| 00:48.17 | abrotman | wonders if his coworker is going |
| 00:48.36 | pickcoder | abrotman: I take it you don't want a "I went to Spectrum" button? |
| 00:48.59 | abrotman | pickcoder: i wouldn't qualify |
| 00:49.56 | pickcoder | heh.. I found stuff from Comdex 1999 in a conference bag in the closet |
| 00:49.56 | pickcoder | I still remember the banner Sun put up advertising OO |
| 00:49.56 | pickcoder | (on one of the buildings adjacent to the Sands convention center) |
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| 00:50.15 | pickcoder | abrotman: someone at your office is going? |
| 00:50.34 | abrotman | pickcoder: i work with a guy who does pick |
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| 00:50.52 | jpinx | abrotman: are you sending the peruvian? |
| 00:50.58 | pickcoder | I think I remember you mentioning that before |
| 00:50.58 | abrotman | no |
| 00:51.24 | Mac121 | anyone know if its possible to disable that black line in gnome when u minimise/maximse? |
| 00:52.43 | pickcoder | abrotman: if he posts to comp.databases.pick then it's possible I've read stuff from him |
| 00:53.02 | pickcoder | is still working on getting OpenQM packaged and ready for adoption |
| 00:53.47 | abrotman | Mac121: black line ? |
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| 00:54.43 | Mac121 | the animation without compiz |
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| 00:56.00 | omg_onoez | i wonder is it possible to mount my crypted /home partition on boot, using key file, thatis located on SD-card |
| 00:56.02 | omg_onoez | ? |
| 00:56.13 | omg_onoez | what should i google to \= |
| 00:56.22 | omg_onoez | thx and sry for my english |
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| 00:56.34 | KavanS | omg_onoez: yep, it's possible |
| 00:56.41 | KavanS | omg_onoez: google some more... |
| 00:56.56 | omg_onoez | any keyword tips? |
| 00:56.59 | omg_onoez | )) |
| 00:57.12 | KavanS | omg_onoez: debian howto home directory encrypted |
| 00:57.18 | omg_onoez | kthx |
| 00:57.18 | omg_onoez | :D |
| 00:57.20 | KavanS | as a start :) |
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| 01:00.30 | magikid | hello all |
| 01:00.35 | ZigBee | does "preinst" control file get run also after an upgrade ? |
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| 01:02.21 | ZigBee | anybody? |
| 01:03.03 | pickcoder | I'm pretty sure it does |
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| 01:04.56 | pickcoder | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html |
| 01:05.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | !why is pidgin not in testing |
| 01:05.23 | dpkg | pidgin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pidgin |
| 01:05.38 | ZigBee | thanks |
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| 01:12.12 | ZigBee | isn't sha256 a hash function ? |
| 01:13.28 | unop | ZigBee, the SHA part stands for Secure Hash Algorithm .. so yea. |
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| 01:13.55 | ZigBee | so how is that related to storing informaton ? |
| 01:16.30 | omg_onoez | ops, sry, aes-256 |
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| 01:23.47 | _Hicham_1 | no one is in here? |
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| 01:25.36 | ZigBee | i accidently made a file called -- and i can't rm it in console, any ideas ? |
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| 01:26.53 | abrotman | ZigBee: rm -- -- |
| 01:26.58 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 01:27.13 | ZigBee | thanks :) |
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| 01:28.15 | marcin | hey, does anybody know of any Java Programming channels? |
| 01:28.24 | ZigBee | #java ? |
| 01:28.37 | marcin | yea, i dont think i can get into that one for whatever reason |
| 01:28.49 | ZigBee | maybe cause you didn't register your nick with nickserv? |
| 01:28.59 | marcin | how do i do that> |
| 01:28.59 | marcin | ? |
| 01:29.09 | ZigBee | /msg nickserv register <password> i think |
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| 01:29.25 | marcin | oh, thank you so much |
| 01:29.48 | ZigBee | np |
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| 01:33.50 | CoolCold | night :) |
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| 01:35.10 | LinuxMafia | hi |
| 01:35.28 | LinuxMafia | how can i get rar for free |
| 01:35.42 | LinuxMafia | what i have to install |
| 01:35.42 | _Hicham_1 | sudo apt-get install rar |
| 01:36.03 | _Hicham_1 | and |
| 01:36.09 | _Hicham_1 | sudo apt-get install unrar |
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| 01:37.19 | LinuxMafia | it dodsent have it |
| 01:37.29 | xoz | include non-free in your sources.list |
| 01:37.30 | avu | it's in non-free |
| 01:38.02 | LinuxMafia | xoz, how can i do that |
| 01:38.03 | xoz | free in non-free. what an irony |
| 01:38.17 | xoz | LinuxMafia: add it /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:38.38 | nareshov | !non-free |
| 01:38.38 | dpkg | from memory, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 01:38.54 | xoz | deb://.... main contribs non-free |
| 01:38.58 | abrotman | _Hicham_1: not everyone uses sudo |
| 01:39.05 | abrotman | xoz: contrib ? |
| 01:39.15 | xoz | ah,,, |
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| 01:39.37 | LinuxMafia | xoz echo "non-free">>/ect/apt/sources.list? |
| 01:39.43 | nareshov | lol no |
| 01:39.44 | xoz | LinuxMafia: edit it |
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| 01:39.54 | nareshov | dpkg: tell LinuxMafia about non-free sources |
| 01:39.59 | xoz | LinuxMafia: you cannot add...like that |
| 01:40.03 | LinuxMafia | xoz, thanks |
| 01:40.11 | abrotman | LinuxMafia: which version of debian is this? |
| 01:40.27 | LinuxMafia | abrotman, new one |
| 01:40.32 | abrotman | which is ? |
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| 01:41.01 | peterius | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.09 | peterius | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.13 | abrotman | peterius: cmd1 ; cmd2 |
| 01:41.15 | _Hicham_1 | abrotman : what are sudo alternatives? |
| 01:41.21 | nareshov | peterius: cmd1 && cmd2 |
| 01:41.22 | abrotman | _Hicham_1: why do you need one? |
| 01:41.40 | LinuxMafia | oh i can not |
| 01:41.50 | xoz | peterius: or pipe? cmd1 | cmd 2 |
| 01:41.51 | LinuxMafia | see |
| 01:41.56 | _Hicham_1 | abrotman : because u told me that not everyone uses sudo |
| 01:42.03 | LinuxMafia | it prints now funny letter |
| 01:42.11 | abrotman | LinuxMafia: uname -a .. says what ? |
| 01:42.17 | abrotman | _Hicham_1: right .. and? |
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| 01:42.37 | _Hicham_1 | abrotman : I didnt understand what u mean |
| 01:42.47 | nareshov | _Hicham_1: that's because debian doesn't come with a configured sudo? |
| 01:42.52 | peterius | abrotman, nareshov, xoz, actually someone else on another channel filled me in on what I was looking for: while kill -0 $PID; do sleep 5; done && command |
| 01:43.00 | nareshov | o |
| 01:43.13 | abrotman | peterius: uhm .. overkill for what you asked .. but okay |
| 01:43.21 | peterius | is there something else abrotman? |
| 01:43.24 | xoz | peterius: that's endless loop |
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| 01:43.36 | LinuxMafia | wiat i come from debian |
| 01:43.49 | xoz | peterius: ah. not loop |
| 01:43.50 | _Hicham_1 | nareshov : not lenny anyways |
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| 01:44.20 | _Hicham_1 | nareshov : u are given the option to add default user to sudoers |
| 01:44.25 | abrotman | !tell _Hicham_1 about u |
| 01:44.26 | nareshov | oic |
| 01:44.28 | nareshov | didn't notice |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | _Hicham_1: that doesn't mean he did that .. |
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| 01:45.11 | _Hicham_1 | so there is two options : either use "su" or "sudo" |
| 01:45.22 | _Hicham_1 | depending on what he choose during install |
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| 01:46.22 | dustpylex2 | You know how Iceweasel in Debian comes with that flash blocker add on already installed but it's not in iceweasel's addon list? How do I get rid of that? |
| 01:47.01 | nareshov | dustpylex2: that's not a flashblocker addon, it's just swfdec refusing to autoplay flash content and giving you the opportunity to manually start it by clicking on it |
| 01:47.11 | nareshov | of course, it won't work on all flash content |
| 01:47.33 | _Hicham_1 | better install proprietary flash |
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| 01:47.47 | nareshov | ^ if you want a smooth flash experience |
| 01:47.55 | dustpylex2 | nareshov, ah i see |
| 01:47.56 | _Hicham_1 | dustyplex2 : use debian-multimedia.org |
| 01:48.00 | DogBoy | better use windows you mean |
| 01:48.11 | nareshov | d: |
| 01:48.29 | _Hicham_1 | DogBoy : Linux on Windows is far worse |
| 01:48.35 | _Hicham_1 | in terms of security |
| 01:48.39 | DogBoy | never had a smooth flash experience on linux |
| 01:48.55 | _Hicham_1 | DogBoy : do u have a strong machine? |
| 01:48.57 | nareshov | DogBoy: me neither, i use windows too.. |
| 01:49.05 | DogBoy | heh |
| 01:49.09 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 01:49.23 | _Hicham_1 | abrotman : do u use Windows too? |
| 01:49.32 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:49.33 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 01:49.43 | nareshov | o |
| 01:50.03 | abrotman | !tell _Hicham_1 about u |
| 01:50.25 | _Hicham_1 | nareshov : where do u use debian, at home? |
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| 01:50.44 | nareshov | _Hicham_1: on the (web)servers |
| 01:51.25 | _Hicham_1 | so u dont use on desktops at all? |
| 01:51.37 | nareshov | occasionally |
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| 01:52.06 | nareshov | )was a heavy desktop user of debian in the past (for a couple of years)) |
| 01:52.11 | nareshov | ot |
| 01:52.13 | nareshov | sorry |
| 01:52.14 | Polarina | How do I turn of the annoying PC bell? |
| 01:52.33 | abrotman | !bell |
| 01:52.34 | dpkg | "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module |
| 01:52.35 | Tramp | !bell |
| 01:52.38 | Tramp | uhps. |
| 01:53.07 | Polarina | abrotman: Thanks. |
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| 01:54.37 | dustpylex2 | is there a way to just enable autoplay in swf-dec? |
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| 01:55.19 | Polarina | dustpylex2: You can also just double-click the arrow. |
| 01:55.45 | nareshov | dustpylex2: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=498306 |
| 01:55.56 | dustpylex2 | Polarina, what's double-click do? |
| 01:56.15 | Polarina | dustpylex2: It makes it play. |
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| 01:56.26 | dustpylex2 | o.O and that's different from single click how.... |
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| 01:58.52 | amitz | what's the equivalent of fedora's init 3 && init 5 in it's relation to gdm ? I have a bug in gdm identical to fedora. The fedora people solve it with doing init 3 && init 5. Debian lenny. |
| 01:59.18 | abrotman | in debian runlevels 2-5 are the same |
| 01:59.22 | amitz | /etc/init.d/gdm restart or /etc/init.d/gdm force-reload doesn't work |
| 01:59.45 | amitz | I mean, doesn't work in solving this bug. |
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| 02:00.22 | abrotman | bug? |
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| 02:00.53 | amitz | basically, given certain condition I can't replicate yet, |
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| 02:01.49 | amitz | if I vnc to a server whose gdm is set to be startable from remote, sometime the gdm won't start when I vnc to it. |
| 02:01.50 | tehboriz | how the hell do i install debian from a livecd? for some reason i can't find any guides on how to do it, only with scripts and custom configuations. |
| 02:02.04 | amitz | If it won't start once, it won't start forever unless I restart the whole server. |
| 02:02.08 | tehboriz | i got debian livecd right now booted downstairs |
| 02:02.47 | abrotman | !tell tehboriz about livecd |
| 02:02.52 | abrotman | see if the website has some docs .. |
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| 02:03.34 | tehboriz | shouldnt it be so damn easy like with a shortcut (ubuntu user) |
| 02:03.47 | adb | tehboriz: install debian from a livecd is not yet possible |
| 02:03.52 | betrayed | tehboriz: doesn't it have an option to install when it boots before it goes into live cd mode? |
| 02:04.03 | ghosTM55 | hi all , everytime i exit eclipse in lenny , an error log will be found in my home dir , anyone met the same problem before ? |
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| 02:04.11 | tehboriz | i don't see that option, i looked around in all the menus |
| 02:04.24 | betrayed | tehboriz: or just download a net install cd |
| 02:04.25 | abrotman | adb: supposedly it is |
| 02:04.35 | tehboriz | how the hell do i run a server iwth a cd rom going BZZZZZZZMMMMMMM 24/7 |
| 02:05.30 | mischief6 | !eeepc |
| 02:05.30 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860>. #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:05.36 | CoolCold | hmm..are there any way to display all lenny related bugs on debianorg/bugs? |
| 02:06.05 | amitz | i want to restart the /etc/init.d/dbus , will that break any existing ssh session? |
| 02:06.11 | amitz | debian lenny |
| 02:06.30 | CoolCold | amitz: not sure, but it shouldn't |
| 02:06.42 | CoolCold | even restarting sshd don't break current ssh session |
| 02:06.56 | CoolCold | goos question is why.. |
| 02:07.02 | CoolCold | *good |
| 02:07.33 | abrotman | CoolCold: that would be a humongous list |
| 02:07.43 | tehboriz | mischief, loosk like they reccomend either imaging it with eeepc hardware preconfigured, or installing using USB drive |
| 02:07.46 | tehboriz | which I do not have. |
| 02:08.07 | tehboriz | why wasn't this a primary part of the o/s? |
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| 02:09.20 | Gun_Smoke | I had to manually install firmware-iwlwifi with dpkg -i .. Now looking in aptitude it's marked as locally created. How can I get aptitude to track that package as if I'd installed it with aptitude? |
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| 02:09.28 | LinuxMafia | is there any way to see screen shots of all games available? |
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| 02:09.46 | CoolCold | abrotman: that's ok...i wanna watch it from day to day, and make decision when move from etch > lenny |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | day today? |
| 02:10.14 | abrotman | erm .. to day |
| 02:10.15 | Gun_Smoke | LinuxMafia, the Wiki had some.. |
| 02:10.21 | abrotman | it's not going to change until the next point release |
| 02:10.25 | tehboriz | betrayed, are you saying i downloaded 600mb of debian for no reason because all it is, is a demo? (livecd) |
| 02:10.42 | abrotman | tehboriz: use the netinst like most sane people |
| 02:11.06 | LinuxMafia | Gun_Smoke, link? |
| 02:11.16 | tehboriz | god dammit i wasted my last cd... |
| 02:11.46 | abrotman | tehboriz: did you even read the livecd docs ? |
| 02:12.16 | abrotman | http://live.debian.net/manual/html/ |
| 02:12.19 | tehboriz | abrotman, perhaps |
| 02:12.22 | abrotman | the ones i pointed you to five minutes .. |
| 02:12.22 | amitz | CoolCold, ic, I'll think about it, thx |
| 02:12.27 | CoolCold | abrotman: well, since etch has 7 release updates, i guess lenny will has some |
| 02:12.41 | abrotman | CoolCold: yes, but it's not like it's fluid |
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| 02:16.58 | CoolCold | abrotman: didn't get your frase...what is 'fluid'? |
| 02:17.04 | abrotman | phrase |
| 02:17.23 | CoolCold | yeah, phrase |
| 02:17.36 | CoolCold | sorry for my bad english |
| 02:17.37 | abrotman | packages don't just flow in |
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| 02:21.25 | CoolCold | abrotman: looks like i completely misunderstand you...do you mean packages are frosen ? |
| 02:21.35 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 02:21.35 | dpkg | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 02:21.46 | abrotman | lenny is stable |
| 02:21.52 | abrotman | or rather .. has been released as stable |
| 02:22.31 | CoolCold | so, it's frozen |
| 02:22.39 | simNIX | no realesed |
| 02:22.59 | liable | !typosmite simNIX |
| 02:22.59 | dpkg | makes simNIX raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
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| 02:23.57 | CoolCold | abrotman: sooo....know issues for etch -> lenny migration won't be fixed? |
| 02:24.10 | abrotman | they might be .. but likely in a point release |
| 02:24.29 | CoolCold | war and peace...$me had read it..it was school program ;) |
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| 02:28.13 | gaintsura | I'm trying to get one of my users to be able to login without a password, just the key via ssh. I accomplished it previously between my system and one of my servers, but its not doing it from one server to the other. Any ideas? I'm following http://linuxproblem.org/art_9.html for my guide, also the same guide I used previously |
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| 02:29.05 | xoz | gaintsura: use ssh-agent... you should enable ssh-agent forwarding |
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| 02:29.34 | CoolCold | abrotman: so, point release is, for example, 4.0r2, 4.0r3 or 3.0,3.1,4.0 ? |
| 02:29.43 | abrotman | yes, but now it will be 5.0.1 |
| 02:30.02 | limaunion | gaintsura, man ssh-agent ? |
| 02:30.04 | xoz | that is a better naming of point releases |
| 02:30.06 | gaintsura | thanks |
| 02:30.23 | CoolCold | okay...let's wait for it, like first sp for xp,vista and such |
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| 02:31.43 | simNIX | bad comparison ... |
| 02:31.59 | gaintsura | O.o thats not quite what I'm looking for.. |
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| 02:32.03 | simNIX | ... those wil be realesed even with known bugs .. |
| 02:32.24 | gaintsura | I'm more looking for the reason that the guide I followed worked on one server but not another with the exact same setup |
| 02:32.26 | abrotman | like debian .. |
| 02:33.04 | xoz | gaintsura: did you ssh-copy-id from machin1 to machin2? |
| 02:33.34 | CoolCold | abrotman: thanks for your time |
| 02:33.52 | gaintsura | no... I did as it said, a@A:$ cat .ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh b@B 'cat >> .ssh/authorized_keys' |
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| 02:34.48 | limaunion | does anyone know if there's a website to check which packages were migrated today from experimental to testing ? |
| 02:35.09 | xoz | gaintsura: try ssh-copy-id... then check. if it does not work, did you do ssh-add first? |
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| 02:35.40 | xoz | gaintsura: try ssh-add, assuming ssh-agent is running. |
| 02:36.00 | Wyzard | limaunion: You mean from unstable to testing |
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| 02:36.07 | CoolCold | gaintsura: mb this will help http://wiki.openvz.org/Ssh_keys |
| 02:36.12 | Wyzard | limaunion: Packages don't move automatically from experimental |
| 02:36.23 | CoolCold | i'me using that script from time to time |
| 02:37.03 | xoz | gaintsura: check if ssh-agent is running. if not, you will have to type your passphrase. |
| 02:37.05 | limaunion | Wyzard, ok, and from unstable to testing ? |
| 02:37.16 | xoz | gaintsura: everytime you ssh to remote machines. |
| 02:37.39 | Wyzard | limaunion: I believe such a thing exists, but I don't know the address unfortunately |
| 02:38.00 | limaunion | Wyzard, np |
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| 02:38.55 | abrotman | !inout |
| 02:38.55 | dpkg | To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://release.debian.org/migration/accepted.html To see why a package is not in testing "/msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing" or go to http://release.debian.org/migration/ For packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 02:38.59 | abrotman | limaunion: ^^ |
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| 02:40.24 | limaunion | cool, thanks! |
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| 02:41.43 | abrotman | limaunion: and for reference, things don't migrate from experimental |
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| 02:42.06 | abrotman | gives simonrvn a cookie |
| 02:42.20 | simonrvn | \o/ |
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| 02:42.45 | xoz | grabs the cookie |
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| 02:43.04 | simonrvn | already ate it "want some?" |
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| 02:43.15 | amitz | CoolCold, fyi, /etc/init.d/dbus restart doesn't break existing ssh |
| 02:43.24 | simonrvn | goes digging in his pocket and pulls out.... a choco chip cookie! |
| 02:43.49 | simonrvn | gives it to xoz |
| 02:43.59 | simonrvn | it's fresh :) |
| 02:44.00 | xoz | eewww |
| 02:44.10 | xoz | it is hot |
| 02:44.14 | simonrvn | out of the oven |
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| 02:44.40 | xoz | undergone incubation :) |
| 02:44.46 | simonrvn | haha |
| 02:45.03 | gaintsura | xoz: never had that problem before, and even starting ssh-agent didn't fix it, still have to input my user password |
| 02:45.28 | simonrvn | authorized_keys has you key in it? |
| 02:45.31 | simonrvn | your |
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| 02:45.43 | xoz | gaintsura: ssh-agent xterm.... in that xterm, ssh-add, then ssh remote |
| 02:45.44 | simNIX | gaintsura, doesn't the auth log on box you login to give hints ? |
| 02:46.04 | xoz | gaintsura: i think you are not communicating to your ssh-agent for the key management |
| 02:47.41 | gaintsura | xoz: I've got the EXACT same setup, less httpd/mysql/php on both systems, one worked when I went through that guide, this one is not. ssh-agent has never been running before and I've never run it before. |
| 02:48.00 | xoz | gaintsura: ok, if you will listen. ill shut-up |
| 02:48.08 | xoz | if you not |
| 02:48.32 | xoz | gaintsura: follow your theory because im explaining it to you |
| 02:48.47 | xoz | gaintsura: probably you made your passphrase *null* |
| 02:48.55 | xoz | so it did not ask for the passphrase |
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| 02:49.49 | xoz | less/httpd/etc has nothing to do with ssh |
| 02:50.57 | gaintsura | its not asking for the rsa key passphrase, its asking for my user password, and in order to sshfs a system, there can't be any interference between the user and the system, thus the following of the guide, what I'm not understanding, is why I need to do all of that with ssh-agent? I've never had a problem doing it previously, and I know those don't have to deal with ssh, I was explaining the systems as a whole. |
| 02:52.24 | xoz | gaintsura: /etc/X11/Xsession.options starts the ssh-agent... when you ssh to remote, it is running in the background... once you authenticate, it adds your passphrase and next time you do ssh remote, it uses that passphrase. |
| 02:52.38 | xoz | gaintsura: you have to understand the mechanics instead of guessing |
| 02:53.25 | xoz | gaintsura: man ssh-agen, or read /usr/share/doc/ssh/ |
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| 02:53.45 | xoz | gaintsura: there is a faq.html there |
| 02:53.55 | gaintsura | hold... X? I'm not running any X except on my base system (here)completely lost now. |
| 02:54.08 | xoz | gaintsura: try to understand instead of complaining i copied everyting |
| 02:54.33 | abrotman | wonders where xoz copied "everyting" from ... |
| 02:54.37 | xoz | gaintsura: if you are not running X, you still need ssh-agent to manage your keys. |
| 02:55.18 | xoz | gaintsura: read ssh instead of just saying i have similar config. understand the process of ssh. |
| 02:55.44 | xoz | gaintsura: try ssh -vvv remote... and use sshd -D for ssh server |
| 02:56.25 | gaintsura | ah, wait.. I think I missed a config option.. |
| 02:56.31 | xoz | there... |
| 02:56.40 | xoz | ssh forwarding maybe |
| 02:56.49 | xoz | no |
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| 02:59.06 | xoz | what i meant about xsession.options is that xsession starts ssh-agent (by enabling the option) and all the clients become the child of ssh-agent |
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| 03:01.27 | xoz | specifically, ssh-agent looks like this run by xsession... /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /home/user/.xsession |
| 03:02.13 | xoz | which means that all xclients in .xsession are under ssh-agent... even the dbus-lunch events are managed by ssh-agent for security. |
| 03:02.37 | simonrvn | mm, dbus for lunch, sounds good |
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| 03:02.52 | xoz | haha |
| 03:04.24 | zen-xstat | hello, i'm using Debian Lenny, i've installed GNUsound and my system uses ALSA, but i have problems using gnusound, it can't find the playback device |
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| 03:05.34 | zen-xstat | I've tried setting to ALSA the audio drivers but it can't open "default" device |
| 03:05.56 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me what ldm_validate_partition_table(): Disk read failed. means? i get it shortly after trying to boot |
| 03:06.07 | gaintsura | does ssh-keygen need to be run for each user connecting? I'm assuming not.. |
| 03:06.17 | xoz | zen-xstat: did you add yourself to audio group? |
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| 03:07.42 | zen-xstat | xoz: yes, i can play audio in many other programs... don't know why it's not working, i've tried audacity too, and it played a mp3 file but also made my GUI unresponsive |
| 03:08.24 | xoz | !alsa-checklist |
| 03:08.24 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 03:08.46 | simonrvn | zen-xstat: try loading the oss emulation alsa drivers, maye gnusound doesn't support native alsa |
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| 03:09.42 | simonrvn | gaintsura: only for a key do you do that.... |
| 03:09.50 | Younix | cause im just a teenage dirtbag |
| 03:10.07 | zen-xstat | ok, xoz, simonrvn thanks a lot for this advice, i'll try them |
| 03:10.14 | xoz | gaintsura: ssh-agent is only one. it manages keys of all ysers although you can also run several ssh-agent |
| 03:10.26 | xoz | gaintsura: try also apt-get install keychain |
| 03:10.59 | simonrvn | there's only one ssh-agent per user, optimally. |
| 03:11.01 | xoz | gaintsura: it may help you interact with ssh-agent and ssh authentication |
| 03:11.29 | gaintsura | thakn |
| 03:11.34 | gaintsura | thanks* |
| 03:15.00 | simonrvn | hmm, dirtbag, potting soil for the catgrass would be good. |
| 03:15.07 | scientes | whats the debian live root pasword? |
| 03:15.18 | scientes | ahh sudo works ok |
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| 03:33.42 | thp | hi, I have an nforce4 board with ck804 onboard sound. I can get output via its internal D/A 's analog output, but nothing via spdif. Messing with every slider in gamix and alsamixer does nothing. Is there usomething I could be missing? |
| 03:35.10 | pickcoder | thp: what about mute settings? |
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| 03:40.32 | thp | pickcoder: nothing is muted |
| 03:40.39 | kunal | hey i just installed the 1st disk of stable 5.0 . when i reach console and type in startx. i get this very funny looking operating system |
| 03:40.47 | thp | I didn't rule it out, I just checked every setting |
| 03:40.48 | kunal | like a blank system. theres no icon nth. just a brown page |
| 03:41.05 | thp | kunal: did you install anthingt but X? |
| 03:41.12 | thp | like gnome, xfce, kde, etc |
| 03:41.22 | thp | X by itself is boring |
| 03:41.38 | kunal | i think i did. or maybe that might be in disc 2? |
| 03:42.03 | thp | apt-get install gnome |
| 03:42.08 | thp | startx and see if it's still boring |
| 03:42.17 | kunal | ok. |
| 03:43.35 | scientes | where is the source for the debian install manual? |
| 03:43.53 | kunal | why scientes? |
| 03:44.04 | scientes | cause i need to make a patch to fix a bug |
| 03:44.19 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me what might cause this error on boot? http://imagebin.ca/view/Mz2WM114.html |
| 03:44.42 | scientes | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en it says to use 1tzconfig1 which is deprecated |
| 03:44.49 | thp | still no dice on sound. hmm |
| 03:44.50 | scientes | *`tzconfig` |
| 03:45.31 | kunal | scientes: oh ok. |
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| 03:45.59 | mimiloon | hi everybody, i have a question regarding VirtualBox and that is: i add a usb in the vm and after i remove it, how do i see it in lenny? |
| 03:46.13 | pickcoder | mischief6: bad partition table? |
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| 03:46.27 | pickcoder | what is hda? |
| 03:46.35 | mimiloon | *mounting it |
| 03:46.49 | mischief6 | pickcoder, it's an IDE drive that i installed debian to |
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| 03:47.58 | pickcoder | does it continue booting? |
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| 03:48.08 | mischief6 | pickcoder, no |
| 03:48.14 | mischief6 | it waits then drops to busybox |
| 03:48.30 | pickcoder | boot a live CD and run fdisk on it to see if something is screwy with partitions past hda1 |
| 03:49.13 | mischief6 | it's just hda1 and then swap in a logical.. :s |
| 03:49.44 | pickcoder | why is swap in a logical if you only have 2 partitions? |
| 03:50.00 | pickcoder | did you leave free space open? |
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| 03:50.23 | mischief6 | pickcoder, that is the way the debian installed did it, and always does it from my experience |
| 03:50.40 | pickcoder | hm |
| 03:51.07 | pickcoder | well your partition is funky or your BIOS has changed drive specs in the background |
| 03:51.17 | pickcoder | or the drive is losing its marbles |
| 03:51.40 | mischief6 | that may be the case |
| 03:51.42 | mischief6 | it is somewhat old |
| 03:51.51 | mischief6 | is there some sort of utility i can check the integrity with? |
| 03:52.00 | pickcoder | boot a live CD and run fdisk on it to see if something is screwy with partitions past hda1 |
| 03:52.11 | pickcoder | if it looks OK run fsck on it |
| 03:52.25 | mischief6 | ehh..i am not much familiar with fdisk, i am a gparted victim :( how do i do that? |
| 03:52.36 | pickcoder | $fdisk -l |
| 03:52.55 | mischief6 | seems to be okay |
| 03:53.13 | mischief6 | it shows the extended and swap |
| 03:53.19 | mimiloon | hi everybody, i have a question regarding VirtualBox and that is: i add a usb in the vm and after using it and i remove it, how do i see it in debian so i can mount it again? |
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| 03:54.03 | pickcoder | fsck -t <fstype> /dev/hda2 or whatever the swap is |
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| 03:54.20 | pickcoder | if it's ext3 then you can run e2fsck /dev/hda2 |
| 03:54.24 | pickcoder | ~or ext2 |
| 03:54.25 | apt | it has been said that ext2 is the filesystem needed to symlink items to the sd card (the command is mkfs.ext2) |
| 03:55.15 | pickcoder | gee that's a nice and totally irelevent tidbit |
| 03:55.15 | mischief6 | pickcoder, when i do that it says no such file or directory |
| 03:55.27 | mischief6 | but it is busybox fsck, is that relevant? |
| 03:55.36 | pickcoder | boot a live CD and run fdisk on it to see if something is screwy with partitions past hda1 |
| 03:55.48 | mischief6 | i am in a livecd.. |
| 03:56.01 | pickcoder | busybox is not a live CD |
| 03:56.08 | pickcoder | unless that's your "live CD"? |
| 03:56.16 | mischief6 | i am using tinycore :s |
| 03:56.35 | pickcoder | well it's hard to run applications that don't exist.. |
| 03:56.46 | pickcoder | I normally keep Knoppix around for this kind of stuff |
| 03:57.28 | mischief6 | i have knoppix..but i need to adjourn for a moment |
| 03:57.40 | kunal | hey. anyone here uses a internet that prompts you put in the password and username on a web interface? |
| 03:58.20 | pickcoder | kunal: that made no sense |
| 03:58.24 | simNIX | mimiloon, whils unpluged change focus from virtual box to main desktop and reconect |
| 03:58.40 | _Maru_ | how do I get chinese to display and input in chinese? |
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| 03:58.47 | kunal | sorry. |
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| 03:59.13 | kunal | pickcoder: i meant anyones internet connection requires username and password to be added on a webpage before connecting. |
| 03:59.26 | pickcoder | kunal: the Internet is not the WWW |
| 03:59.31 | pickcoder | what are you talking about? |
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| 04:00.00 | pickcoder | kunal: oh.. you mean like in hotels? |
| 04:00.07 | pickcoder | you have to log in to get access? |
| 04:00.07 | kunal | pickcoder: for me to connect to the internet. i need to open up mozilla. a login page comes up. add my password and username |
| 04:00.09 | kunal | yes. like in hotels. |
| 04:00.12 | kunal | yes access page. |
| 04:00.16 | pickcoder | that's DNS hackery |
| 04:00.36 | simNIX | just tunnel through special dns - ) |
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| 04:00.48 | kunal | pickcoder: i am not doing the hackery stuff. i want to install my debian. |
| 04:00.59 | simNIX | then input your login |
| 04:01.15 | simNIX | and you meen crackery stuf ;) |
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| 04:01.29 | kunal | simNIX: will console ask me for urser name and password? |
| 04:01.48 | joecool | backports down right now? |
| 04:01.48 | pickcoder | is confused |
| 04:01.48 | kunal | or do i have to configure that manually |
| 04:01.59 | stew | !confuse pickcoder |
| 04:02.00 | dpkg | No, where are our gerbil today, pickcoder? pants of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra herring |
| 04:02.06 | simNIX | likely not - but conecting wont work without a login on that website I asume |
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| 04:02.28 | kunal | simNIX: yes. so i need to get a login. |
| 04:02.31 | pickcoder | s/herring/whiting |
| 04:02.42 | pickcoder | cuts down a mighty tree with the herring |
| 04:02.56 | simNIX | or have a box on Inet on which you have special dns to try bypas it - yup |
| 04:03.25 | kunal | ok. |
| 04:03.40 | pickcoder | I plugged in my ISP's DNS services in one hotel and got around it |
| 04:03.59 | simNIX | sometimes only dns port works |
| 04:04.02 | pickcoder | they also had Netgear routers sitting around on the floors so I guess it was a temp setup |
| 04:04.05 | simNIX | then you need to tunnel |
| 04:04.15 | simNIX | but trying a opendns ip isnt a bad idea |
| 04:04.28 | kunal | i am a noob in all this |
| 04:04.55 | simNIX | kunal, google opendns; there you find 2 ips - set those as dns and see if it helps |
| 04:05.00 | simNIX | if not you need login |
| 04:05.08 | pickcoder | stew: I should have an OpenQM package for you soon.. :) |
| 04:05.22 | kunal | simNIX: thanx |
| 04:05.25 | simNIX | yw |
| 04:05.39 | simNIX | hope you like your Linux |
| 04:06.47 | kunal | simNIX: me? |
| 04:06.54 | gparent | Was the latest kernel upgrade on Debian required to fix a security issue? |
| 04:06.57 | gparent | I can't find an advisory |
| 04:07.33 | gparent | Nevermind, found it. |
| 04:07.50 | simNIX | yup I understood you tried to download it to try ? |
| 04:08.01 | pickcoder | guess it's time for me to upgrade all of my Etch servers |
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| 04:08.46 | kunal | simNIX: yes i did. i wanted to make something of my own. |
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| 04:08.59 | kunal | simNIX:at least an attempt to understand linux. |
| 04:10.13 | simNIX | dont get overwelmd by the steap learning curve and flood of info |
| 04:10.13 | kunal | 208.67.219.60 - this open dns? |
| 04:10.24 | kunal | there is huge learning curve!!! |
| 04:10.33 | pickcoder | kunal: plan on being a noob for the rest of your life |
| 04:10.35 | kunal | all the commands you have to learn. its not easy. |
| 04:10.40 | pickcoder | stuff changes as quickly as you learn it |
| 04:10.57 | simNIX | its quite doable |
| 04:11.01 | kunal | but again. if something goes wrong i'll know about it. |
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| 04:11.11 | kunal | unlike in linux. |
| 04:11.13 | kunal | i mean windowns |
| 04:11.15 | kunal | windows |
| 04:11.31 | pickcoder | then you have kids and your memory starts failing like sectors in a 12 year old hard drive |
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| 04:12.10 | simNIX | kids from my sis I made quite confartable with Linux - oldest is 10 |
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| 04:12.19 | simNIX | no steap learning curve there |
| 04:12.28 | simNIX | its just what your used to I think |
| 04:12.46 | simNIX | if your used to somenoe desiting what you can do and you click it |
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| 04:13.08 | simNIX | or you have many tools for certain tast that you can link up to do more then the sum |
| 04:13.14 | thp | are creative soundcards annoying to get to work? |
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| 04:13.25 | thp | this ck804 is never going to let me use its spdif out |
| 04:13.28 | thp | it laughs at me :( |
| 04:13.32 | simNIX | thp; never had problem with them |
| 04:13.49 | simNIX | spdif im noob on |
| 04:14.40 | kunal | true simNIX. |
| 04:14.43 | thp | all of my music is on an mdadm raid array with ext3 and that's part of an lvm so i can't even go easy way out and use windows |
| 04:15.06 | pickcoder | thp: it's probably a missing feature |
| 04:15.16 | thp | but where? |
| 04:15.21 | pickcoder | in the driver |
| 04:15.33 | pickcoder | Google it? |
| 04:15.39 | thp | i've tried playing out of 0,0, 0,1, 0,2 |
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| 04:15.47 | pickcoder | I have a machine with spdif and it seems to be fine |
| 04:15.50 | thp | all of which are supposedly digital audio playback |
| 04:15.57 | pickcoder | so it's probably the specific chip model |
| 04:16.06 | pickcoder | can you lspci -v and provide the vendor:device id? |
| 04:16.43 | thp | it shows up in lspci but not lspci -v |
| 04:17.03 | pickcoder | what's the vendor:device pci id? |
| 04:17.57 | thp | 00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2) |
| 04:18.16 | thp | there it is |
| 04:18.18 | thp | it was hiding |
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| 04:19.17 | simNIX | kunal, if you get a Linux desktop up to your liking I can recomend add virtualbox or vmware - it can simulate a pc in it you can any os - for instance a install of the same Linux you choose - then make restorepoint (snapshot) and do what ever you want trying stuf - if it did what you wanted you repeat it on main box if it messed it up just go back to restorepoint and retry |
| 04:19.38 | simNIX | *can any os=can run any os |
| 04:19.39 | kunal | simNIX: i have heard about it. |
| 04:19.49 | simNIX | its great - realy |
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| 04:19.58 | pickcoder | thp: can you find that device under lspci -n to get the 4digit vendor and device number? |
| 04:20.01 | simNIX | see a Linux you like |
| 04:20.04 | kunal | it can run windows on it. but can it configure the internet connection for the windows? |
| 04:20.09 | simNIX | just install in a virtual machine |
| 04:20.12 | kunal | thats in the vmWARE? |
| 04:20.16 | simNIX | and it wont touch main system |
| 04:20.16 | kunal | VMware? |
| 04:20.30 | thp | pickcoder: how do i know which one is the soundcard? |
| 04:20.31 | simNIX | virtualbox or vmware - simular products |
| 04:20.41 | thp | I have a bunch of numbers |
| 04:20.51 | pickcoder | thp: look at the PCI device address in the first col |
| 04:21.00 | pickcoder | 00:04.0 |
| 04:21.10 | thp | 00:04.0 0401: 10de:0059 (rev a2) |
| 04:21.11 | kunal | simNIX: which is the folder for resolvconf? |
| 04:21.21 | kunal | i kind of forgot. need to chnage the dns. |
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| 04:21.25 | thp | i couldn't see that my crt overscans terribly |
| 04:21.28 | simNIX | thats where all config files live |
| 04:21.35 | kunal | trying the open dns. |
| 04:21.36 | simNIX | and /usr/local/etc sometimes |
| 04:22.45 | simNIX | kunal, try man hier -> http://linux.die.net/man/7/hier |
| 04:23.06 | kunal | simNIX: is it in english or german? |
| 04:23.14 | simNIX | you are germain ? |
| 04:23.24 | kunal | no. but i have studied german literature. |
| 04:24.32 | simNIX | english - googling a german one for ya turn up not much at 1st glance |
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| 04:24.46 | kunal | simNIX: are you german? |
| 04:24.55 | adbix | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:24.58 | simNIX | no a neigbour |
| 04:25.05 | simNIX | im Dutch |
| 04:25.07 | kunal | adbix: thanks |
| 04:25.11 | adbix | np |
| 04:25.18 | kunal | simNIX: dutch. nice |
| 04:25.43 | kunal | i have had come colleagues from utrect |
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| 04:26.07 | simNIX | aha |
| 04:26.14 | simNIX | that midle of this country |
| 04:26.17 | simNIX | im at top |
| 04:26.27 | kunal | simNIX:must be cold there |
| 04:26.39 | simNIX | getting better but yp |
| 04:26.49 | simNIX | nigh just above zero |
| 04:26.55 | simNIX | day around 10 C |
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| 04:27.04 | kunal | sucks. i wont be able to live there. |
| 04:27.06 | thp | i'm going to try compiling a new kernel, maybe that will make spdifs work |
| 04:27.21 | pickcoder | thp: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/DigitalOut |
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| 04:28.20 | simNIX | kunal, justs let more computers run and global warming wil make it tropical here - ) |
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| 04:29.15 | thp | pickcoder: I went through that top to bottom a half hour ago :( |
| 04:29.22 | kunal | simNIX: haha. ahhh. not so good for me then. |
| 04:29.28 | thp | aplay -L sees no spdif |
| 04:30.06 | thp | iec958 never shows up as a device with aplay -L. I see digital output with cat /proc/asound/devices but none of them actually work when i tell mplayer to putput sound through them specifically |
| 04:30.19 | dsdeiz | hi i'm currently installing debian, and it's asking me to choose from "desktop environemt", "laptop", "web server", etc.. where can i find that in the documentation? |
| 04:30.38 | simNIX | thats not my intention :) |
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| 04:31.05 | mischief6 | pickcoder, i am in the gparted livecd now :P so what do i need to check with fsck? |
| 04:33.46 | pickcoder | check your paritions |
| 04:33.52 | pickcoder | hda1, etc |
| 04:36.31 | mischief6 | it says the superblock cannot be read :S |
| 04:37.53 | thp | yes, SPDIF! |
| 04:37.54 | thp | unf |
| 04:38.37 | thp | now if only I could get it to work with stuff but player :( |
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| 04:39.10 | thp | I have it set to alsa driver, mixer is driver default, and mixer channel pcm instead of default |
| 04:39.22 | thp | why would it play out of 0,2 in gui but not command line, that's beyond me |
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| 04:43.34 | kunal | ok. i just inserted disc2 of debian 5.0 into my system and i am in console. how do i make it install? |
| 04:43.51 | kunal | without going on internet to fetch packages |
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| 04:46.42 | hark | make what install? |
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| 04:51.52 | simonrvn | kunal: why? is your 'net connection slow? |
| 04:53.05 | NTU | hi guys |
| 04:53.12 | simonrvn | kunal: apt-cdrom --help |
| 04:54.24 | NTU | is there a person i can talk to directly who has experience with /usr/lib and /usr/lib/dri and understands where debian looks for mesa? |
| 04:54.54 | simonrvn | here |
| 04:55.03 | NTU | because i'm a mesa developer, specifically working on r3xx GPUs with gallium |
| 04:55.26 | CcSsNET | sounds fun |
| 04:55.37 | SunnyDP | yup :P |
| 04:56.12 | CcSsNET | ntu do the following |
| 04:56.24 | NTU | I compiled mesa and libdrm, and a kernel from source using GCC 4.4 that I compiled from source, and for some reason whenever I run glxinfo, it always says 7.0.1 |
| 04:56.30 | CcSsNET | updatedb && locate mesa |
| 04:56.58 | stew | NTU: you might want #debian-x on irc.debian.org |
| 04:56.58 | NTU | updatedb: command not found |
| 04:57.08 | CcSsNET | ntu as a developer u might like a sourcedistro better |
| 04:57.19 | CcSsNET | uhm apt-cache search updatedb |
| 04:57.31 | CcSsNET | forget the package its contained in |
| 04:57.33 | NTU | well i'm actually trying to beta test a specific driver for debian sid. |
| 04:57.45 | CcSsNET | ahh |
| 04:57.47 | CcSsNET | nice |
| 04:58.06 | NTU | so i HAVE to use debian sid. P.S. this worked fine on Ubuntu 8.04, 8.10, and 9.04 |
| 04:58.25 | CcSsNET | ubuntu is only debian remastered :P |
| 04:58.34 | NTU | i've compiled mesa and libdrm and several distros including arch linux and gentoo, worked fine. |
| 04:58.36 | CcSsNET | basically difrent set of hands working on the same project |
| 04:58.42 | NTU | right |
| 04:58.43 | CcSsNET | wasted effort in my eyes |
| 04:58.47 | NTU | hahaha |
| 04:58.57 | CcSsNET | work on 1 lol |
| 04:59.13 | CcSsNET | but yea thats libre for u |
| 04:59.40 | NTU | debian is muchmore suited for devel purposes than ubuntu |
| 04:59.48 | CcSsNET | yea definatly |
| 04:59.59 | CcSsNET | ive noted if u keep up with nightly builds |
| 05:00.01 | NTU | not as clunky |
| 05:00.11 | CcSsNET | u get to see some crazy changes to the installer |
| 05:00.12 | CcSsNET | hehe |
| 05:00.20 | NTU | hahaa |
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| 05:00.49 | NTU | updatedb is the right command? |
| 05:00.59 | CcSsNET | well it may need to be installed |
| 05:01.04 | NTU | ah |
| 05:01.04 | CcSsNET | i forget debians package for it |
| 05:01.12 | CcSsNET | but it databases ur fs |
| 05:01.19 | CcSsNET | and u can search it with locate |
| 05:01.27 | NTU | or synaptic |
| 05:01.41 | CcSsNET | na thats a package manager front end |
| 05:01.50 | CcSsNET | i mean simply a tool for searching |
| 05:02.05 | CcSsNET | brb ill google it |
| 05:02.07 | stew | NTU: can you be more specific about what you are trying to figure out? |
| 05:02.30 | NTU | where debian looks for the mesa software |
| 05:02.39 | NTU | let me tell you what i did |
| 05:03.11 | NTU | http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Building#head-b2717b670860060b6e52500c5a04c65fae2545f6 |
| 05:03.12 | CcSsNET | apt-get install nss-updatedb |
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| 05:03.14 | simonrvn | NTU: sid and squeeze have that stuff split out to different packages now, so get a choice of *locate package (locate, slocate, mlocate, etc.) and have an updatedb command, so pick one and be happy. |
| 05:03.16 | CcSsNET | might work |
| 05:03.41 | simonrvn | s/and have/they have each/ |
| 05:04.04 | CcSsNET | hmm in that case just try apt-get install locate |
| 05:04.06 | CcSsNET | :P |
| 05:04.10 | NTU | i run sudo cp mesa/lib/*/usr/lib/dri/ && sudo cp /mesa/lib/* /usr/lib and still nothing |
| 05:04.25 | NTU | that works on pretty much all distros |
| 05:04.35 | CcSsNET | it sounds like it should |
| 05:04.40 | CcSsNET | maybe they moved the libs |
| 05:04.46 | CcSsNET | check /usr/share/lib |
| 05:04.49 | NTU | im almost certain they did |
| 05:04.52 | NTU | oh! |
| 05:04.52 | CcSsNET | or various places |
| 05:04.59 | NTU | ah thanks |
| 05:05.03 | CcSsNET | np |
| 05:05.36 | CcSsNET | theres always the env command |
| 05:05.38 | stew | NTU: sudo cp mesa/lib/*/usr/lib/dri/ looks appears to be missing a destination |
| 05:05.41 | simonrvn | ldconfig too? |
| 05:05.43 | CcSsNET | to see ur variables as well |
| 05:06.00 | stew | CcSsNET: /usr/share/lib ? |
| 05:06.01 | NTU | i mean sudo cp mesa/lib/* /usr/lib/dri/ |
| 05:06.02 | CcSsNET | he missed a space stew |
| 05:06.08 | NTU | only in irc |
| 05:06.39 | stew | NTU: /usr/lib/dri is where debian would install librares (look at the libgl1-mesa-dri package) |
| 05:06.48 | stew | CcSsNET: yes, that's what I was trying to point out |
| 05:07.06 | NTU | i coped EVERYTHING into /usr/lib/dri, still no dice |
| 05:07.22 | NTU | all the libs and binaries that i compiled |
| 05:07.32 | CcSsNET | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.34 | stew | NTU: be more specific than "no dice" |
| 05:07.41 | stew | CcSsNET: what about /var/lib ? |
| 05:07.55 | NTU | glxinfo still said 7.0.1 or 7.0.3 |
| 05:07.58 | CcSsNET | just thinking of places that contain the word lib :P |
| 05:08.03 | stew | CcSsNET: why? |
| 05:08.04 | NTU | hahaha |
| 05:08.25 | CcSsNET | to make u ask obviosly duh |
| 05:08.31 | NTU | 7.5 is what im writing code for though and thats what i compiled |
| 05:08.34 | stew | CcSsNET: please don't |
| 05:08.39 | NTU | not 7.0.X |
| 05:08.45 | CcSsNET | then ignore me stew :P |
| 05:08.54 | kunal | hey. i have inserted disc 2 of debian 5.0 . i want to install the entire content. |
| 05:08.55 | kunal | how to? |
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| 05:09.05 | stew | CcSsNET: i can't. please don't guess |
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| 05:09.22 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 05:09.24 | kunal | without it connecting to the internet. |
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| 05:09.50 | NTU | ill try /usr/share/lib and /var/lib. |
| 05:09.58 | stew | NTU: no |
| 05:10.01 | NTU | and /usr/local/lib |
| 05:10.03 | stew | NTU: don't listen to CcSsNET |
| 05:10.16 | NTU | hah. why? |
| 05:10.17 | CcSsNET | lol gee thx |
| 05:10.22 | NTU | hahaha |
| 05:10.25 | stew | NTU: becuase he has no idea what he is talking about |
| 05:10.26 | CcSsNET | at least i had logic |
| 05:10.36 | stew | NTU: /var/lib is not for shared libraries, its for variable state data |
| 05:10.44 | NTU | ah |
| 05:10.54 | CcSsNET | give us a reason to ignore tose places then we will know why not to listen to me |
| 05:10.59 | stew | NTU: /usr/share is for arch independent files. /usr/share/lib/ doesn't exist |
| 05:11.06 | CcSsNET | ahhh |
| 05:11.11 | CcSsNET | c that wasnt so hard |
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| 05:11.17 | CcSsNET | do thatfrom now on stew |
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| 05:11.21 | CcSsNET | explain |
| 05:11.23 | CcSsNET | :P |
| 05:11.27 | stew | CcSsNET: please keep quiet |
| 05:11.30 | NTU | i see you know what you are talking about |
| 05:11.32 | CcSsNET | hehehe |
| 05:12.17 | NTU | i'm more of an LFS guy so... i don't know all this deb stuff |
| 05:12.30 | kunal | anyone here free? |
| 05:12.39 | stew | that isn't deb specific stuff, its from the filesystem heirarchy standard |
| 05:12.41 | CcSsNET | i used to use debian, but ive moved onto sourcemage |
| 05:12.50 | lclark | How would I determine which package contains a particular file (/sbin/ip, for instance. And I mean before install, not dpkg -S). |
| 05:13.19 | stew | lclark: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 05:13.27 | stew | NTU: which driver are you using? |
| 05:13.51 | NTU | writing for or trying to get working? |
| 05:13.59 | stew | NTU: either |
| 05:14.31 | NTU | R3XX gallium for development, R3XX for usage |
| 05:14.45 | NTU | R350 specifically. 9800 PRO AGP 8X |
| 05:15.43 | NTU | i installed locate or whatever. |
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| 05:16.02 | callen | babies. |
| 05:16.05 | stew | NTU: which xorg driver are you using? |
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| 05:16.30 | NTU | i know i probably sound like a leecher right now but i will stay in here all day tomorrow trying to help |
| 05:16.44 | NTU | stew: xserver-radeon |
| 05:17.16 | stew | NTU: is the libgl1-mesa-dri package installed? |
| 05:17.21 | NTU | something like xorg-xsever-xf86-radeon-video-input whatever |
| 05:17.23 | NTU | yes |
| 05:17.25 | kunal | NTU. you oculd starti wth me. |
| 05:17.39 | kunal | could start with me. |
| 05:17.39 | stew | NTU: "dpkg -L libgl1-mesa-dri" would tell you where it installed the shared libraries |
| 05:17.56 | NTU | oo! yummy! thx |
| 05:18.31 | callen | babies. |
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| 05:18.57 | NTU | stew: same place where i installed it via git |
| 05:19.24 | NTU | well except /usr/share/doc |
| 05:19.40 | NTU | i didn't install the docs but that doesn't effect anything |
| 05:19.52 | NTU | still same bins and libs |
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| 05:21.39 | NTU | callen: babies |
| 05:21.51 | callen | NTU: lots of babies. |
| 05:22.02 | NTU | lol wtf? |
| 05:22.40 | lclark | stew: got it, thanks! |
| 05:23.12 | callen | NTU: no, not wtf, babies. |
| 05:23.29 | stew | callen: do you have a debian related question? |
| 05:23.38 | NTU | hahah exactly |
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| 05:24.25 | callen | stew: if I say no, will you hate babies? |
| 05:24.45 | stew | callen: if you don't have anything on-topic, please keep quiet |
| 05:24.57 | NTU | hahaha good call stew |
| 05:25.00 | callen | stew: >:< babies are always on-topic. |
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| 05:25.42 | NTU | you banned him? |
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| 05:26.13 | lclark | NTU: seemed like a good call to me. |
| 05:26.31 | NTU | stew: you /ignore me? |
| 05:26.39 | stew | NTU: about what? |
| 05:26.47 | NTU | oh nvm |
| 05:27.13 | stew | NTU: i'm sorry i don't really know more about your problem |
| 05:27.55 | NTU | i'll try running sudo apt-get autoclean and clean and all that to remove all the debs |
| 05:28.09 | stew | NTU: that won't help |
| 05:28.23 | NTU | because locate threw a bunch of new files @ me i've never seen |
| 05:28.54 | stew | NTU: ok, like what? and what does that have to do with autocleanand clean? |
| 05:29.07 | stew | NTU: note that there is no point of running autoclean if you are going to run clean |
| 05:29.26 | NTU | ah |
| 05:30.01 | Linkas | hi I have problem with xfce which i installed two days ago-xfce doesn't show bars |
| 05:30.12 | stew | and all those commands are doing are removing .deb files form /var/cache/apt/archives, which is a good idea to do once in a while, but would have nothing to do with the problem you are trying to solve |
| 05:30.21 | Linkas | i haven't compiz |
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| 05:30.41 | NTU | Linkas: got a question for you. you ever install xfce 4.6 stable on debian via graphical installer? |
| 05:31.06 | NTU | i'm thinking about doing that |
| 05:31.20 | NTU | xfce 4.4.2 to 4.6 stable |
| 05:31.26 | Linkas | NTU: no it was command in terminal |
| 05:32.34 | Linkas | and i have 4.4.2 version |
| 05:33.13 | NTU | ugh! now direct rendering is screwed up. no more HD porn anytime soon now. :( |
| 05:33.45 | richtroye | There used to be a tool i liked, called, I think, khexedit. Does anybody know of it? |
| 05:33.52 | kunal | NTU! this was all for HD porn? |
| 05:33.59 | NTU | no |
| 05:34.03 | kunal | ;) |
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| 05:34.13 | NTU | software dev purposes |
| 05:34.17 | kunal | what happen to your grpahics card? |
| 05:34.18 | kunal | oh ok. |
| 05:34.34 | NTU | richtroye: yes. the KDE hex editor |
| 05:34.41 | kunal | does Debian support HD or blueray? |
| 05:34.50 | richtroye | ntu do you know what package the binary comes in? |
| 05:34.54 | NTU | no i mean HD over the net |
| 05:35.05 | kunal | ok |
| 05:35.16 | NTU | lol blu-ray porn. lol!!! i doubt that even exists |
| 05:35.27 | kunal | hahaha. no no i think its out. |
| 05:35.38 | kunal | or maybe it was some scam |
| 05:35.58 | jiva | Howdy.... I'm trying to upgrade my server (an old server running sarge) to etch... it tells me I need to upgrade my kernel. with this command: " apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6" Which I have translated to: "apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6.18-6-486" When I do that though, I get: " binutils: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch8 is installed" Is it safe to use the -f option to fix this? |
| 05:36.00 | NTU | how do i get debian using my graphics card rather than using mesa at all? |
| 05:36.07 | NTU | via fglrx |
| 05:36.33 | kunal | diable mesa |
| 05:36.36 | kunal | disable mesa. |
| 05:36.41 | NTU | how? |
| 05:36.48 | NTU | i'd love to |
| 05:37.01 | NTU | stew: how to turn off mesa? |
| 05:37.37 | kunal | NTU: if you had ubuntu. it would have been a few clicks away as its on a GUI |
| 05:37.42 | jiva | anyone? |
| 05:37.51 | kunal | here you'd have to learn the commands |
| 05:38.08 | kunal | i am sure you can. but you need the right person. |
| 05:38.12 | NTU | most of my development was mostly always done on ubuntu |
| 05:38.22 | kunal | why debian then? |
| 05:38.23 | NTU | now i crossed over |
| 05:38.32 | kunal | me too. i was ubuntu based |
| 05:38.37 | NTU | because ubuntu is for n00bz |
| 05:38.49 | kunal | well yeah. i guess we are noobz here. |
| 05:38.56 | NTU | no |
| 05:39.01 | kunal | then? |
| 05:39.06 | NTU | just ubuntu |
| 05:39.30 | kunal | ok. well NTU. just wait around. wait for the upperhench men to answer. |
| 05:39.37 | kunal | they'd know. |
| 05:39.46 | NTU | O RLY? |
| 05:40.03 | kunal | why? what were you thinking of doing? |
| 05:40.21 | NTU | why what? |
| 05:40.50 | NTU | look. i hate my desktop looking like flesh. thats why |
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| 05:41.10 | NTU | ubuntu is mainly for blacks |
| 05:41.26 | NTU | no i dont hate blacks |
| 05:41.34 | kunal | you sick guy. |
| 05:41.50 | kunal | that ws racist NTU. |
| 05:42.01 | richtroye | no guess, ntu, as to where nhexedit resides? |
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| 05:42.19 | NTU | no i mean ubuntu looks like whites and blacks |
| 05:42.26 | NTU | and mexicans |
| 05:42.29 | richtroye | ubuntu has nice art |
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| 05:42.37 | NTU | no it doesn't |
| 05:42.45 | richtroye | art blows the most |
| 05:42.46 | kunal | gee..NTU. should keep that white black thing low. |
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| 05:43.23 | NTU | no i love blacks and whites |
| 05:43.27 | kunal | we might all have different complexions, white, black, yellow, brown, pink. but at the end we are black deep down inside. |
| 05:43.35 | NTU | i love all races |
| 05:43.51 | kunal | well good |
| 05:43.55 | NTU | its just i dont like a desktop that looks like races |
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| 05:44.28 | NTU | not just because its mainly a blackish skin color |
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| 05:45.27 | cgibin | hello all, pbuilder is already the newest version .. typing pbuilder build doesnt seem to work |
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| 05:45.36 | richtroye | Hahahaha khexedit is now okteta! How obvious is that! <smacks head> |
| 05:45.46 | NTU | sry rich* |
| 05:45.50 | richtroye | :-) |
| 05:45.57 | NTU | im busy |
| 05:46.05 | richtroye | ntu what color palette do you like? |
| 05:46.15 | kunal | its ok. NTU. i am not very strict on racist issue. i understand we all have slips |
| 05:46.15 | NTU | blue |
| 05:46.24 | richtroye | blue is pretty |
| 05:46.34 | NTU | blue isn't the color of people |
| 05:46.53 | NTU | no such thing has blue people |
| 05:46.53 | kunal | it is |
| 05:47.04 | kunal | if you see a black man in the sun |
| 05:47.08 | kunal | u'd say he is blue |
| 05:47.10 | NTU | hahaa!!! |
| 05:47.14 | cgibin | lol |
| 05:47.17 | NTU | now thats racist |
| 05:47.49 | kunal | i didnt say that in any offensive manner. i was clarifying misunderstandings |
| 05:48.18 | cgibin | saying something reasonably true i cannot say his wrong |
| 05:48.33 | kunal | thank you cgibin |
| 05:48.42 | NTU | i see black people all the time in the sun. never look blue |
| 05:48.59 | kunal | serious? |
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| 05:49.06 | NTU | good lord are we off topic or what |
| 05:49.13 | kunal | i seen white people turning blue in the sun too. |
| 05:49.17 | NTU | im goin 2 bed |
| 05:49.23 | kunal | ok. yes off topic now. |
| 05:49.24 | kunal | sorry |
| 05:49.25 | kunal | good night. |
| 05:49.27 | cgibin | your eyes can decisives you, don't trust them |
| 05:49.43 | kunal | yes. well that has to do with the physical nature and quantum mechanics |
| 05:49.48 | NTU | good night people of all colors, races, and ethnic beliefs! |
| 05:49.50 | kunal | which is getting very off topic. |
| 05:50.01 | jiva | Howdy.... I'm trying to upgrade my server (an old server running sarge) to etch... it tells me I need to upgrade my kernel. with this command: " apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6" Which I have translated to: "apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6.18-6-486" When I do that though, I get: " binutils: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch8 is installed" Is it safe to use the -f option to fix this? |
| 05:50.03 | kunal | good night NTU |
| 05:50.03 | cgibin | nite red |
| 05:50.07 | kunal | hahaa |
| 05:50.09 | thp | I use an HDTV as a monitor, in windows I was able to set a custom resolution with this card that compensated for overscan without borking aspect ratio, can I still do that |
| 05:50.13 | kunal | yes. good night red. |
| 05:50.23 | cgibin | ;) |
| 05:50.30 | kunal | cgibin: good one. |
| 05:50.42 | cgibin | which one lol |
| 05:51.19 | kunal | good night red. is he really a red? |
| 05:51.23 | cgibin | i have very bad feeling about this ssl |
| 05:51.34 | kunal | is he from south? |
| 05:52.00 | cgibin | south africa yes indeed he is |
| 05:52.14 | kunal | ah. an afrikan!!! |
| 05:52.22 | kunal | now that explains it all |
| 05:52.26 | kunal | ok ok ok! . yes blacks |
| 05:52.37 | kunal | now its a differnt context. |
| 05:53.11 | kunal | if you read a book by JM Coatzee you'd understand why NTU doesnt like black |
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| 05:53.22 | NTU | hey! |
| 05:53.30 | NTU | i love blacks like i said |
| 05:53.39 | kunal | i have many afrikan frinds |
| 05:53.41 | kunal | they dont like them |
| 05:53.51 | kunal | and so doesnt JM Coatzee |
| 05:53.57 | NTU | i used to have a black girlfriend that i went down on |
| 05:54.10 | cgibin | where ever the land is big or huge that part is noticeable fact is people know that part due to its bigness, |
| 05:54.20 | NTU | bout 3 years ago when i was 16 |
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| 05:54.31 | kunal | ok. and. do you feel SA has become safer over the years? |
| 05:54.46 | kunal | with growin populations of africans? |
| 05:55.11 | cgibin | not quite sure if thats what i was trying to apply |
| 05:55.22 | NTU | you go to SA and have sex, you get HIV |
| 05:55.30 | NTU | its not safe kunal |
| 05:55.45 | kunal | yes. |
| 05:55.47 | kunal | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._M._Coetzee |
| 05:55.51 | kunal | must read his book |
| 05:56.18 | NTU | looks white |
| 05:56.25 | NTU | he black 4 real? |
| 05:56.41 | cgibin | NTU: sounds blue to me |
| 05:56.56 | kunal | personality wise yes he is blue. |
| 05:57.03 | cgibin | where did you dig up that old tar |
| 05:57.15 | kunal | cgibin: i studied a little bit of literature |
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| 05:57.30 | richtroye | ntu did you have a black girlfriend because she was black and you could brag that you had a black girlfriend, or did you have her as a girlfriend because you liked her? |
| 05:57.36 | cgibin | thats quite amazing how is that working out for you? |
| 05:57.52 | NTU | rich*: second one |
| 05:57.57 | kunal | oh sweet. he is acomputer programmer also. |
| 05:58.07 | NTU | who? |
| 05:58.14 | kunal | In the early 1960s, Coetzee relocated to London, where he worked for a time at IBM as a computer programmer; and in 1963 he was awarded a Master of Arts degree from UCT for a dissertation on the novels of Ford Madox Ford; his experiences in England were later recounted in Youth (2002), his second volume of fictionalized memoirs. |
| 05:58.20 | richtroye | kunal do you get into these postmodern New Yorker writers like, david foster wallace, and especially that george saunders? |
| 05:58.24 | cgibin | what type of programmer |
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| 05:58.51 | kunal | richtroye: nope. i only read it cus i took lit. |
| 05:58.53 | kunal | why do you? |
| 05:58.59 | NTU | lol !ot |
| 05:59.08 | NTU | !offtopic |
| 05:59.08 | richtroye | In the late 1960s I was a computer programmer, for IBM's mainframe operating systems |
| 05:59.09 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 05:59.14 | richtroye | this was before firefox |
| 05:59.42 | kunal | richtroye. nice. |
| 06:00.04 | richtroye | I still do the same kind of system programming I did then, but it pays better |
| 06:00.13 | richtroye | And it is far more unixy |
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| 06:00.48 | kunal | richtroye: still same company? |
| 06:02.36 | cgibin | who is this what's your operating number? |
| 06:03.18 | cgibin | please do confirm with a confirmation |
| 06:03.19 | richtroye | kunal, no, IBM first, then Amdahl, now a spinoff of Amdahl |
| 06:03.51 | NTU | is having a 43 character password with lowercase uppercase numbers and special characters too much for a PC within a highly secured LAN protected with a selinux and iptables firewall and a personal firewall with selinux mls just over the top? |
| 06:03.59 | kunal | oh intresting. |
| 06:04.06 | kunal | be back later. going to bank. |
| 06:04.10 | NTU | 2 firewalls |
| 06:04.25 | thp | is there a way to change my resolution from the command line on the fly while X is running? |
| 06:04.31 | richtroye | selinux is an abomination, never did work |
| 06:04.58 | thp | all the stuff i find with google is related to outdated xf86config |
| 06:05.01 | NTU | what about 43 char password? |
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| 06:05.33 | richtroye | ntu do you ask if a 43-char passwd will make a PC throw up? Why should it? |
| 06:05.48 | NTU | lol |
| 06:05.59 | roy_hobbs | I'm having troubling using LDAP as a userdb with dovecot. Has anyone done this before? |
| 06:06.16 | NTU | firestarter, iptables and selinux mls. thought it was absurd |
| 06:06.28 | cgibin | what a incredible smell you have discovered |
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| 06:07.06 | cgibin | that iptables is a joke man, i remove that crap, install pf |
| 06:07.28 | balarka | hello |
| 06:07.39 | cgibin | who is this? |
| 06:07.45 | balarka | does anyone have idea about the package libgtk2.0-dev on debian |
| 06:07.49 | balarka | system |
| 06:07.53 | balarka | this is balarka |
| 06:07.58 | balarka | hi cgibin! |
| 06:08.02 | cgibin | right right, i see |
| 06:08.18 | balarka | i am new to open source |
| 06:08.20 | NTU | im going to remove /usr/share/doc right now |
| 06:08.25 | cgibin | what we talking about i386 |
| 06:08.36 | balarka | and would like to start to contribute to a project named: java-gnome |
| 06:08.43 | NTU | all docs. BOOM! |
| 06:08.45 | balarka | and it needs the above package to compile |
| 06:08.56 | balarka | and i am not able to install it using sudo apt-get |
| 06:09.00 | richtroye | balarka do you know the overall structure of the project java-gnome? |
| 06:09.01 | balarka | any advice |
| 06:09.11 | balarka | i am sorry.. i dont know |
| 06:09.15 | balarka | i just got it from bzr branch |
| 06:09.16 | stew | balarka: why aren't you able to install it? |
| 06:09.29 | cgibin | hello stew |
| 06:09.29 | NTU | will removing docs break my system alone? |
| 06:09.46 | cgibin | no |
| 06:09.53 | cgibin | its not part of the share lib |
| 06:10.19 | balarka | actually it says my system already has libgtk2.0-dev |
| 06:10.29 | stew | balarka: ok, so what is the problem? |
| 06:10.29 | balarka | but ./configure of java-gnome |
| 06:10.36 | balarka | doesnot recognize |
| 06:10.37 | balarka | that |
| 06:10.50 | richtroye | ntu sure it will break your system, for some definition of "break" |
| 06:10.52 | balarka | Requested 'gtk+-2.0 >= 2.14' but version of GTK+ is 2.12.9 |
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| 06:10.58 | balarka | it says the above thing |
| 06:11.22 | stew | judd: versions libgtk2.0-dev |
| 06:11.22 | judd | stew: libgtk2.0-dev -- etch: 2.8.20-7 lenny: 2.12.11-4 sid: 2.14.7-4+b1 squeeze: 2.14.7-4+b1 experimental: 2.16.0-1 |
| 06:11.26 | NTU | what about /var? |
| 06:11.38 | stew | NTU: why are you wanting to remove stuff? |
| 06:11.46 | stew | NTU: yes, removing /var would break your system |
| 06:11.55 | richtroye | ntu removing /var will break your system far worse than removing /usr/share/doc |
| 06:11.55 | stew | balarka: what version of debian are you running? |
| 06:12.10 | balarka | stew: i am on ubuntu 8 |
| 06:12.12 | Adrian` | so |
| 06:12.17 | stew | balarka: then please ask in #ubuntu |
| 06:12.39 | balarka | oh |
| 06:12.42 | Adrian` | recommendations on file managers? |
| 06:12.55 | balarka | sorry.. but is debian not same as ubuntu? |
| 06:12.55 | richtroye | ntu One of the lessons a newbie learns is to use the proper tools. In this case, learn that you should remove packages, not packages' contents. |
| 06:12.59 | balarka | or related to ubuntu? |
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| 06:13.12 | Adrian` | it's a ubuntu bad |
| 06:13.15 | stew | balarka: yes, debian is not the same as ubuntu. and ubuntu is off-topic here |
| 06:13.28 | balarka | oh |
| 06:13.33 | balarka | sure.. thanks for the info |
| 06:13.38 | balarka | i will try in ubuntu then |
| 06:13.38 | richtroye | balarka ubuntu uses debian packaging tools, but for ubuntu help you should use #ubuntu channel |
| 06:13.40 | NTU | so is talking about blacks |
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| 06:14.05 | balarka | richtroye, you mean ubuntu on Freenode sever? |
| 06:14.09 | balarka | itself? |
| 06:14.14 | balarka | #ubuntu |
| 06:14.16 | richtroye | balarka That's my guess, yes |
| 06:14.21 | balarka | sure.. |
| 06:14.23 | balarka | i will try |
| 06:14.25 | balarka | there |
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| 06:23.49 | bobby1234 | I am getting a latest kernel update from 2.6.26-1 to 2.6.26-1lenny2, what is this? |
| 06:24.29 | stew | bobby1234: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00059.html |
| 06:24.40 | bobby1234 | stew, thanks.. |
| 06:26.28 | simonrvn | it's called a security update ;) |
| 06:27.27 | bobby1234 | what is the version of kde we get in lenny? |
| 06:28.13 | simonrvn | 3.5 |
| 06:28.19 | bobby1234 | no 4.2? |
| 06:28.20 | bobby1234 | :( |
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| 06:35.13 | mimiloon | hi everybody, i have a question regarding VirtualBox and that is: i add a usb in the vm and after using it and i remove it, how do i see it in debian so i can mount it again? i don't see it in media or on the desktop |
| 06:35.22 | Piet | hi. |
| 06:35.26 | Piet | i'm trying to understand whether or not this bug is fixed in xen-tools-common 3.2.0-2: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=437127 |
| 06:36.16 | Piet | the bug is not shown as unfixed on the bug overview for this package but... |
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| 06:37.31 | simonrvn | mimiloon: um, insert it again...? |
| 06:37.35 | Piet | oh actually it is listed, nevermind |
| 06:37.37 | simonrvn | what else |
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| 06:38.52 | mimiloon | simonrvn: yes i can do that (and i do that already) but is there a way to get around this |
| 06:38.55 | mimiloon | ? |
| 06:39.19 | simonrvn | get around what? |
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| 06:40.11 | mimiloon | simonrvn: without taking out the usb and replugging it in? |
| 06:40.42 | simonrvn | i doubt that. |
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| 06:42.05 | Piet | ideally the host system should reclaim it once the guest sstem unmounted it |
| 06:42.26 | Piet | dunno why that's not implemented, though. |
| 06:42.49 | mimiloon | simonrvn: thanks for your help |
| 06:43.10 | simonrvn | mimiloon: have fun |
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| 06:44.49 | mimiloon | piet: you have the same problem with that? this issue is weird |
| 06:45.34 | Piet | it's common behaviour |
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| 06:46.32 | mimiloon | piet: thanks for the info |
| 06:47.15 | Piet | my pleasure |
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| 06:54.27 | simonrvn | mimiloon: is that "loon" part in your nick a last name for you? 'cause i've known some people with that last name... just reminds me of them. |
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| 06:58.43 | KC | is adobe ever going to de-beta 64 bit flash? |
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| 06:58.50 | KC | its no less screwed up than the 32... |
| 06:58.59 | KC | no more rather |
| 06:59.27 | cast | who cares? it'll still be shitware :) |
| 07:00.17 | pragma_ | rare shit |
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| 07:01.47 | orveldv | hi, my Lenny doesn't mount NFS shares at boot but it mounts them ok afterwards (with "mount -a"), as far as I can tell this is about the initscripts, any hints? |
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| 07:07.35 | bobby1234 | orveldv, you have those shares in fstab? |
| 07:07.56 | orveldv | bobby1234, yes, and that's why "mount -a" works |
| 07:08.46 | gps23 | orveldv, did you checked your dmesg for hint of any error in loading ntfs modules? |
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| 07:09.01 | gps23 | s/ntfs/nfs/ |
| 07:09.12 | simonrvn | nfs, not ntfs |
| 07:09.15 | simonrvn | :) |
| 07:09.24 | gps23 | yeah, i corrected it later :) |
| 07:09.29 | orveldv | gps23, ok, checking now |
| 07:10.53 | orveldv | no errors :-\ |
| 07:11.37 | orveldv | maybe Lenny tries to mount the shares before starting nfs-common and portmap |
| 07:11.45 | orveldv | I don't know |
| 07:12.12 | gps23 | orveldv, on my system net is started after fstab entries are mounted |
| 07:13.03 | gps23 | orveldv, this might be the reason in ur case too, check dmesg output for what comes first mount fstab or putting eth0 (or whatever) up first |
| 07:14.00 | orveldv | I guess I should put "mount -a" in /etc/rc.local but this looks like such an ugly hack |
| 07:14.02 | gps23 | orveldv, if this is the case then u just have to change the number of initsrcipt to start it after putting internet up |
| 07:14.33 | gps23 | orveldv, changing startup number of init scripts is much easier and better and thats what the numbers are for |
| 07:15.09 | orveldv | gps23, yes you're right - I'm having a look |
| 07:15.19 | orveldv | gps23, thanks |
| 07:15.26 | gps23 | orveldv, np :) |
| 07:18.39 | gps23 | orveldv, you might have to check the script numbers in /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc<your-runlevel>.d, also there is a script in my /etc/rc2.d called S20nfs-common, make sure it runs at right time |
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| 07:30.26 | orveldv | gps23, ok, thanks |
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| 07:31.33 | leoventura | some advantage in leaving /boot separate? |
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| 07:34.05 | firewallnoob | I thought you guys would like to know: I used to be a Debian user, but recently I discovered Ubuntu. It's awesome! |
| 07:34.38 | liable | great, do you have a debian question? |
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| 07:35.36 | firewallnoob | liable: are you asking me? |
| 07:35.45 | liable | yes |
| 07:36.27 | firewallnoob | liable: sure, I have some Debian questions too |
| 07:36.40 | Grandia | hi... I'm downloading debian via jigdo & it has spit out a statement which I'm not sure is an error or not: 0 [main] sh 3212 open_stackdumpfile: Dumping stack trace to sh.exe.stackdump |
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| 07:39.20 | waheed | hi guys |
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| 07:40.21 | waheed | i have a demon that i need to execute on system boot, how can i do this? I am using debian lenny |
| 07:40.51 | waheed | ??? |
| 07:40.55 | liable | waheed: does it not have an init script? |
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| 07:41.13 | cast | waheed: you're not going to have even a mock trial? D: |
| 07:41.23 | waheed | no, i just have an executable |
| 07:41.52 | waheed | i am newbie in linux :( |
| 07:41.57 | kunal | hey. i just managed to install the 1st disc of debian 5.0. i want to install the 2nd disc. i am in console. any idea how to? |
| 07:42.21 | cast | kunal: you don't install discs, you install programs you want |
| 07:42.32 | kunal | oh ok |
| 07:42.45 | liable | kunal: during installation, if the installer requires the second disk, it should ask, but usually the first disk is enough to do a basic install |
| 07:43.01 | kunal | liable: the 1st disk contains gnome? |
| 07:43.07 | liable | yep |
| 07:43.12 | kunal | hmm strange |
| 07:44.00 | gps23 | kunal, gnome is default in debian |
| 07:44.10 | kunal | i only got x enviornment |
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| 07:44.53 | kunal | what to type in console to start the system? |
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| 07:44.56 | gps23 | kunal its base system, you can install gnome now |
| 07:44.57 | kunal | startx? |
| 07:45.13 | gps23 | kunal, most probably X isn't installed on ur system yet |
| 07:45.17 | liable | did you choose dekstop environment during installation? |
| 07:45.21 | kunal | nope |
| 07:45.23 | simonrvn | kunal: the system is already started... |
| 07:45.39 | liable | kunal: thats why you dont have gnome then.. |
| 07:45.43 | simonrvn | x is just eye candy on top ;) |
| 07:45.56 | kunal | ok.then i dont have x as well if its an eye candy |
| 07:46.09 | kunal | i have a screen with an X cursor |
| 07:46.17 | kunal | a brown screen |
| 07:46.23 | simonrvn | that is x. you don't have gnome |
| 07:46.31 | gps23 | kunal, you can install gnome by doing 'aptitude install gnome' as root |
| 07:46.31 | kunal | ok |
| 07:46.34 | kunal | ok |
| 07:46.43 | liable | not sure how you get x without gnome from the installer though |
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| 07:47.16 | simonrvn | tbh, i don't either, unless you skip 'desktop' task, then install xorg |
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| 07:47.42 | gps23 | desktop tasksel installs gnome, so its either x and gnome or none |
| 07:48.00 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 07:48.05 | kunal | intresting. |
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| 07:48.28 | kunal | must have been in some strange place. |
| 07:48.33 | gps23 | kunal, do '/msg dpkg install gnome' here |
| 07:48.36 | kunal | i am new to linux so i often get lost. |
| 07:48.40 | kunal | ok |
| 07:48.42 | gps23 | i dont know how to redirect directly |
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| 07:49.08 | simonrvn | "!tell foonick about barfactoid" |
| 07:49.15 | gps23 | thanks |
| 07:49.23 | simonrvn | or -about |
| 07:49.27 | gps23 | !tell kunal about gnome install |
| 07:49.44 | gps23 | !tell kunal about install gnome |
| 07:50.01 | simonrvn | -about just cuts out the verbose on your end |
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| 07:50.26 | simonrvn | then the bot /msgs you "told foonick about barfactoid" |
| 07:50.31 | gps23 | simonrvn, yes, dpkg comfirmed back to me, its good coz i am sure that it worked |
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| 07:51.03 | simonrvn | handy that way |
| 07:52.08 | kunal | we are all using 4.0 |
| 07:52.12 | kunal | please dont tell me. |
| 07:52.17 | kunal | let me search it myself. |
| 07:52.22 | kunal | sorry 5.0 right? |
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| 07:53.27 | liable | yes, 5.0 lenny |
| 07:53.35 | kunal | argh. why is it connecting to security.debian.org |
| 07:53.44 | liable | you want that |
| 07:53.55 | kunal | no. i dont. my other ethernet connection is not working |
| 07:54.02 | kunal | so it shouldnt. |
| 07:54.13 | gps23 | kunal, didn't you read the instructions while doing installation? |
| 07:54.28 | kunal | * whistles. |
| 07:54.43 | kunal | i think not. |
| 07:55.17 | gps23 | kunal, it explains need for security and volatile repos during install installation step and asks if to include these |
| 07:55.35 | gps23 | kunal, but may be it only asks in expert mode |
| 07:55.56 | kunal | i think thats only in expoert mode. |
| 07:56.15 | kunal | anyways its failing all the connections as my ethernet isnt workin |
| 07:56.21 | kunal | unplugged it. |
| 07:56.27 | gps23 | kunal, thats why you didn't know abt them, installation put these lines sneakingly in ur source.lst |
| 07:56.36 | simonrvn | why isn't it? |
| 07:56.53 | kunal | i am in india. my ISP is a theft. |
| 07:56.59 | gps23 | theft? |
| 07:57.08 | liable | thief |
| 07:57.10 | kunal | or more accurately a scammer |
| 07:57.25 | kunal | makes me pay alot and give mes crap connection. |
| 07:57.25 | gps23 | kunal, which is ur ISP? |
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| 07:57.36 | kunal | i have Tataindicom |
| 07:57.40 | kunal | and Reliance. |
| 07:58.00 | gps23 | kunal, good luck :) |
| 07:58.13 | kunal | both require me to access a web dialer. as in I have to use firefox |
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| 07:58.30 | kunal | to use the intnert. i have to put in username and password :s |
| 07:58.42 | kunal | gps23:who is your ISP? |
| 07:58.51 | gps23 | kunal, bsnl |
| 07:58.58 | kunal | gps23: you also india? |
| 07:59.00 | kunal | where? |
| 07:59.13 | gps23 | kunal, yup, right now in #debian :) |
| 07:59.24 | simonrvn | omg, web dialer? shit... that's almost as bad as dialup. |
| 07:59.26 | kunal | as in where about in india? |
| 07:59.40 | kunal | simonrvn: yes. trust me its such a headache. |
| 07:59.58 | kunal | simonrvn: does Debian have any solutions for web dialer connections? |
| 08:00.11 | cast | wvdial works nicely, if you mean dialup |
| 08:00.19 | kunal | not dialup |
| 08:00.26 | gps23 | and due this my other friend had to download full cd instead of netinst coz he can't run internet without opening firefox first |
| 08:00.26 | cast | oh...my bad :\ |
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| 08:01.05 | kunal | gps23: thats me also |
| 08:01.17 | simonrvn | kunal: the pppoe stuff in debian supports several kinds of pppoX, if that's what you need. |
| 08:01.18 | kunal | really sucks. |
| 08:01.29 | gps23 | kunal, i got that already when you said you need webdialer |
| 08:01.33 | kunal | na. its not a pppoe connection. |
| 08:01.47 | simonrvn | isdn? |
| 08:02.00 | kunal | they call it broadband here. |
| 08:02.08 | kunal | gps23: where are you from in india? |
| 08:02.11 | simonrvn | ok... |
| 08:02.33 | gps23 | kunal, off-topic :) |
| 08:02.34 | simonrvn | i have broadband too... |
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| 08:03.35 | kunal | gps23. a little bit is fine. stew isnt here |
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| 08:04.09 | simonrvn | and it's quiet |
| 08:04.14 | kunal | yes. |
| 08:04.19 | gps23 | kunal, alright, Punjab |
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| 08:04.29 | simonrvn | it's ok if it's not busy, and people aren't asking questions |
| 08:04.32 | kunal | gps23. nice. |
| 08:05.15 | kunal | is there a way to disable it from connecting to the internet? |
| 08:05.21 | kunal | to disable the installer? |
| 08:06.01 | simonrvn | comment out your 'net lines... but i wouldn't, you need those security updates. |
| 08:06.05 | cast | would i be able to run d-i from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/debian-live-500-i386-standard.img? head someone mentioning before they came with the d-i, |
| 08:06.17 | simonrvn | there's a new kernel for one thing. |
| 08:06.36 | simonrvn | cast: usb stick install? |
| 08:06.43 | cast | yes. |
| 08:06.49 | cast | [asus eee] |
| 08:06.51 | simonrvn | sure |
| 08:06.55 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 08:06.55 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r7) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual. <installer firmware> |
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| 08:07.00 | kunal | simonrvn: could i get the ubdates later? |
| 08:07.16 | kunal | could i run with the installation now. update it later? |
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| 08:07.28 | simonrvn | yes, of course, but i'd fetch them soon. |
| 08:07.36 | simonrvn | afk |
| 08:07.47 | kunal | after getting an iceweasel and running my web dialer on it. |
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| 08:08.28 | kunal | acutally got it |
| 08:08.30 | kunal | i got a trick :) |
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| 08:16.53 | spersaud | hey folks |
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| 08:21.23 | cire | Are compiz-fusion-plugins-main and -extra additional plzugins to compiz-plugins? |
| 08:21.39 | cire | (Do I have to install all packages to get all the plugins) |
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| 08:32.37 | Strog_ | i have a problem in upgrading an elder distribution via cdrom |
| 08:32.41 | Strog_ | can someone help |
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| 08:33.46 | Strog_ | i tried the following apt-cdrom -d /media/cdrom add it failed at finding the Packages file |
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| 08:36.46 | Sherpya | hi, I've two box upgraded to lenny but one of them ignores Packages.gz and instead looks for Packages, security reporsitory does not have such file |
| 08:36.56 | Sherpya | there is no special conf enabled |
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| 08:42.25 | Sherpya | anyone |
| 08:42.26 | Sherpya | ? |
| 08:42.37 | cast | nfi bro. |
| 08:42.41 | [M4rk0] | hello |
| 08:42.46 | [M4rk0] | i need to recover |
| 08:42.50 | [M4rk0] | root password |
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| 08:42.56 | [M4rk0] | i have grub loader |
| 08:43.01 | [M4rk0] | please help |
| 08:43.06 | [M4rk0] | some web methods |
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| 08:43.22 | cast | [M4rk0]: you probably can't. |
| 08:43.25 | [M4rk0] | doesn't help |
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| 08:43.39 | Sherpya | [M4rk0]: add init=/bin/bash |
| 08:43.44 | Sherpya | to cmdline kernel |
| 08:43.52 | Sherpya | mount -n -o remount,rw / |
| 08:43.53 | Sherpya | passwd |
| 08:44.01 | Sherpya | umount -n -o remount,ro / |
| 08:44.05 | Sherpya | reset |
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| 08:47.27 | [M4rk0] | now works with init thanx :D |
| 08:48.52 | simonrvn | Sherpya: it should have that file |
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| 08:50.21 | xingu | heh, debian isn't writing logout entries for its "reboot" lines into wtmp |
| 08:50.21 | Sherpya | simplechat: two server from the same repo, one searches for .gz and the other one for Packages |
| 08:50.21 | xingu | check the "log out" time in last -10 reboot to see what I mean. |
| 08:50.31 | Sherpya | simonrvn: http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 08:50.35 | Sherpya | missing |
| 08:54.39 | [M4rk0] | Sherpya, thank You |
| 08:55.07 | Sherpya | np |
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| 08:56.27 | Sherpya | ok problem solved |
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| 08:58.29 | simonrvn | xingu: worky here |
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| 09:04.25 | shafu | anyone knows a iptables module to filter an ip for a certain period of time? |
| 09:04.52 | xingu | shafu: recent |
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| 09:05.56 | xingu | (I assume you mean "interval" rather than "period") |
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| 09:07.53 | shafu | xingu: no, I want period.. smth like hours/days.. |
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| 09:08.36 | xingu | shafu: "time", then. |
| 09:08.38 | shafu | with ip_recent you have smth like : number of connections / seconds interval then drop for that period of seconds interval |
| 09:08.52 | shafu | time what? :) |
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| 09:09.04 | xingu | shafu: time match target |
| 09:09.30 | shafu | xingu: can you give me an example? |
| 09:09.42 | xingu | shafu: it's in the manpage; what are you trying to do? |
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| 09:12.15 | shafu | xingu: i want to filter an ip address that floods me for a period of x hours/days. |
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| 09:13.32 | zophy | hi guys, how's yer hammers hangon' ? |
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| 09:14.18 | [M4rk0] | Hey |
| 09:14.21 | [M4rk0] | again ;) |
| 09:14.29 | [M4rk0] | How can I read last logins on ssh? |
| 09:14.54 | shafu | [M4rk0]: last and lastb commands |
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| 09:15.07 | xingu | shafu: that's what recent match is for (matching for some interval); so you need one rule that matches a recent flow and drops; and then just add another rule which matches the specific flow and marks it as recent (--set) |
| 09:15.27 | shafu | [M4rk0]: grep Accepted /var/log/auth.log |
| 09:16.00 | xingu | shafu: you'd use recent's --seconds match to timebound the first rule. |
| 09:16.37 | xingu | shafu: if necessary use a named bin (recent's --name flag) on both rules. |
| 09:17.57 | shafu | xingu: I understand what you say but I can`t find any info of how to filter for a longer period of time |
| 09:18.37 | xingu | shafu: --seconds $((days * 86400)) |
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| 09:28.07 | [M4rk0] | shafu, thanx |
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| 09:42.08 | shafu | xingu: --seconds i believe it refers to the interval |
| 09:43.10 | shafu | for example : iptables -A ssh_check -m recent --update --seconds 10 --hitcount 21 --name ssh -j DROP will drop all connections that have more than 20 connections in 10 seconds |
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| 09:43.37 | Danielss89 | is it possible to wget the content of a whole folder instead of just one file? |
| 09:44.29 | shafu | Danielss89: check -m from manual |
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| 09:47.50 | Danielss89 | thanks shad0w |
| 09:47.52 | Danielss89 | shafu* |
| 09:48.14 | DCobb | ran latest update on debian sarge, and after reboot lost my eth0, ifconfig -a doesnt find it, lspci sees Intel Corporation 825412GI/PI gigabit ethernet controller revision 5. How do I solve? |
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| 09:49.42 | DCobb | when i /etc/init/d/networking restart it gives SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
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| 09:50.05 | DCobb | googled that, but got solutions related to VMWare, which I'm not running. tried the solutions, but no joy |
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| 09:56.29 | zmotok | hello everyone, is there a way to make the kernel boot.. slower? output its bootup lines so that the user can actually read'em in case the kernel panics and nothing gets logged to syslog? |
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| 10:02.39 | xingu | shafu: you can do whatever you want with it; the ingredients as I have said are to use --set to place a nominated flow into a possibly named bucket; and then to use a second rule to match and drop flows from that bucket up to a certain age (this is where seconds comes in) |
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| 10:04.35 | xingu | shafu: what you're describing is an application of recent but it is not all applications of recent; recent itself is quite a simple animal - it's just a mechanism for marking a flow (a more flexible established match, at the cost of more processing) |
| 10:05.01 | ac999 | hello |
| 10:05.24 | ac999 | I need some help |
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| 10:05.40 | DevilChaos | hello |
| 10:06.17 | xingu | shafu: there's another more interesting application of recent and that is to use it as a hold-down timer when remote systems have fallen off the end of your rulebase and are well beyond any rational use-case |
| 10:06.25 | ac999 | can someone help me> |
| 10:06.42 | DCobb | dug a little deeper, lspci -v tells me when it gets to my onboard nic: |
| 10:06.52 | nkuttler | !tell ac999 about ask |
| 10:06.56 | DCobb | Subsystem: Dell Unknown device 016c |
| 10:07.08 | DevilChaos | trying to boot an installation from a sata drive i have just bought also have ide drives 3 of plus my sata and i want to boot my system from the sata if possible does anyone know how to set this up correctly? |
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| 10:07.16 | DCobb | it was very well known until tonites apt-get update |
| 10:07.28 | xingu | shafu: ... a use-case which is doubly interesting when you combine it with honeypot style sense data which is then laterally distributed across an entire AS |
| 10:07.35 | DCobb | apt-get rollback gives me |
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| 10:07.50 | DCobb | sorry, that's too useful, please struggle pointlessly for hours and retry |
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| 10:09.53 | cast | DCobb: one can rollback the system if one can take snapshots |
| 10:09.58 | DCobb | i beleive the driver is e1000 |
| 10:10.53 | xingu | DCobb: try your luck with e1000e |
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| 10:12.03 | DCobb | no network access.. |
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| 10:12.43 | xingu | DCobb: can you paste the relevant line from lspci -n ? |
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| 10:13.51 | DCobb | hmm not sure which is relevant, ifi should see 016c it's not there |
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| 10:14.11 | DCobb | lspci -n lists internal device identifiers? |
| 10:14.24 | xingu | DCobb: that's the one |
| 10:14.39 | xingu | DCobb: match from text to numeric view by device id (left hand column) |
| 10:15.02 | hark | lspci -nv or lspci -n |grep 0200 |
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| 10:15.19 | DevilChaos | does someone here have experience with sata installs? |
| 10:15.21 | xingu | (more correctly, bus topology, but whatever) |
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| 10:15.43 | xingu | DevilChaos: should just work in anything from etch onward |
| 10:16.14 | DevilChaos | yeah but cant get past boot process needs set properly |
| 10:16.16 | Sulfrum | hello! |
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| 10:16.33 | DevilChaos | in the bios and im not sure what i need to set to make it work? |
| 10:16.46 | DCobb | hark: where 0200 is the device id at issie, in this case 016c? |
| 10:17.10 | DevilChaos | what about if i disable all ide drives and just leave the sata for thetime being? |
| 10:17.54 | xingu | DevilChaos: that's going to be peculiar to your own bios/ motherboard/ chipset. |
| 10:17.54 | DevilChaos | its booting the thing thats pannoying me doh |
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| 10:18.32 | DevilChaos | ok so my next question is does anyone here use msi neo2 mobo |
| 10:18.38 | DCobb | ahh lspci -nn shows both |
| 10:18.57 | DevilChaos | slightly off topic i know |
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| 10:19.01 | hark | DCobb: it's 8086:016c ? |
| 10:19.13 | xingu | DevilChaos: generally speaking I've found it the path of least resistance to put all three stages of boot loader on the first (in the int 0x13 sense) hdd |
| 10:19.32 | DCobb | 8086:1076 (rev 05) |
| 10:19.44 | DevilChaos | ok ill give it a shot |
| 10:19.46 | xingu | DCobb: gracias. |
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| 10:20.00 | Sulfrum | Can anyone tell me where find info about start my lenny with text autentication and start gdm only after it? |
| 10:20.06 | DCobb | figuring out the contect of teh number was tough |
| 10:20.18 | xingu | DCobb: ok that's definitely still e1000 |
| 10:20.21 | hark | judd: pciid 8086:1076 |
| 10:20.23 | judd | hark: [8086:1076] is '82541GI Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi?check=1&lspci=8086:1076 |
| 10:20.34 | cast | Sulfrum: i'd stop gdm/kdm from starting on boot |
| 10:21.33 | xingu | DCobb: if you just modprobe e1000, does the etherdevice (ethX) get created and is the driver sane from an ethtool (particularly - -i) standpoint? |
| 10:21.36 | MrElendig | Sulfrum: that isn't really logical, since gdm will ask you again to log in |
| 10:21.57 | MrElendig | Sulfrum: if you log in to console, then you should just use startx instead of running gdm |
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| 10:22.09 | DCobb | AHAH |
| 10:22.12 | MrElendig | (not to mention, that gdm should/must be executed as root) |
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| 10:22.14 | DCobb | modprobe e1000 |
| 10:22.16 | DCobb | plus |
| 10:22.18 | DCobb | ifconfig -a |
| 10:22.23 | DCobb | now i have a network card |
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| 10:22.36 | DCobb | i did both of those between reboots |
| 10:22.42 | DCobb | not together |
| 10:22.54 | DCobb | <-- always going to be a noob |
| 10:22.59 | DCobb | Thank you gentlemen |
| 10:23.18 | DCobb | (assumes the best from here) |
| 10:23.19 | Sulfrum | my problem is that I need to start a compile dlocally window manager but with gdm it want start ( my .xinitrc is ignored) |
| 10:23.32 | xingu | DCobb: ok you probably also need to run update-pciids |
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| 10:23.54 | xingu | DCobb: in theory the module should be auto-probed during boot (by kernel hotplug after bus ennumeration) |
| 10:24.13 | xingu | DCobb: given that this hasn't happened for you something is wrong somewhere; suggest you update-pciids and see if it's that simple. |
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| 10:25.17 | DCobb | fyi first modprobe e1000, then ifconfig -a, then /etc/init.d/networking restart, takes nearly 20 seconds, now I have an IP |
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| 10:26.33 | DCobb | ok i ran that update-pciids |
| 10:26.47 | DCobb | with my snazzy new internet access |
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| 10:28.13 | scientes | umm xscreensaver lock is broken |
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| 10:28.23 | scientes | i enter the correct password and it says it failed |
| 10:28.34 | DCobb | xingu: so that will persist thru reboot |
| 10:28.37 | DCobb | ? |
| 10:28.37 | scientes | and i even changeed the password via tty and it doesnt work |
| 10:28.56 | xingu | DCobb: no promises... it's time to re-test. |
| 10:29.04 | DCobb | <shudder> |
| 10:29.20 | DCobb | reboot |
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| 10:29.29 | DCobb | the system is going down for reboot NOW |
| 10:29.31 | xingu | DCobb: if not work around for now with an addition to /etc/modules; but you'll need to plow into udev to work out why that bit is broken |
| 10:30.09 | DCobb | anyone maintain dell 1850/2850 or similar in debian? |
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| 10:30.46 | DCobb | it runs great, but the update tools for firmware, etc are window-y |
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| 10:31.03 | DCobb | i hope it's not something there |
| 10:33.07 | valdyn | Supaplex: pick the right X session in gdm, i dont know the exact name, and use ~/.xsession, not ~/.xinitrc |
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| 10:33.16 | valdyn | gah |
| 10:33.18 | valdyn | wtf |
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| 10:35.06 | shyam_k | in a standard autoconf generated source tarball, where can i look for the version of that software? |
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| 10:36.36 | DCobb | xingu: failed on reboot, but those 3 steps restored it. I caught a flash during boot of something about udev requiring a kernel, didnt lile the version, that text is in dmesg? |
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| 10:40.12 | xingu | DCobb: or /var/log/kern.log |
| 10:41.00 | xingu | DCobb: nb modprobe e1000; ifup eth0 (or whatever) is probably the least-impact fix. |
| 10:41.17 | xingu | DCobb: and as I said a workaround for now is to place "e1000" into /etc/modules |
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| 10:42.37 | xingu | DCobb: my apologies but walking you through the next steps is a little deeper than I can get into here and now - the problem in a nut-shell is that the kernel's bus walk is either not triggering hotplug for your device, or, that hotplug is happening and is not matching the right driver |
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| 10:43.24 | xingu | DCobb: some of this magic is based on matching the vendor:device id against the maps in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.*map |
| 10:43.57 | xingu | DCobb: (they're text files, and the device id is part of the long hex string in there) |
| 10:44.37 | SparFux | How can I get rid of this error message from aptitude? "locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory" |
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| 10:45.02 | valdyn | SparFux: run the program with strace |
| 10:45.06 | valdyn | SparFux: run the program with strace -eopen |
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| 10:45.17 | DCobb | xingu: sweetness |
| 10:45.24 | MrElendig | SparFux: fix your locale |
| 10:45.31 | DCobb | whats nb |
| 10:45.39 | valdyn | SparFux: i think last time you posted this i asked 2 questions that you didnt answer |
| 10:45.41 | DCobb | nb=add to boot? |
| 10:45.44 | MrElendig | SparFux: $EDITOR /etc/locale.gen && locale-gen |
| 10:45.45 | SparFux | MrElendig: I have locales installed and compiled. |
| 10:45.48 | MrElendig | SparFux: or similar |
| 10:45.56 | DCobb | I have to study this stuff now |
| 10:46.01 | SparFux | MrElendig: I have done that already. Still the error is there. |
| 10:46.17 | MrElendig | SparFux: pastebin the output of `locale` and `locale -a` |
| 10:46.18 | xingu | DCobb: nb - note well, latin. |
| 10:46.23 | valdyn | SparFux: first one was "echo LC_MESSAGES" |
| 10:46.28 | valdyn | SparFux: 2nd one i dont remember |
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| 10:46.42 | DCobb | ah, oic |
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| 10:47.31 | SparFux | http://pastebin.com/d52ba3d8d |
| 10:47.44 | SparFux | valdyn: let me check my log. |
| 10:48.03 | SparFux | # echo $LC_MESSAGES gives empty line. |
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| 10:48.45 | MrElendig | SparFux: set your locale to something other than C |
| 10:49.03 | SparFux | Isn't C just default locale? |
| 10:49.08 | valdyn | SparFux: ok i need the strace then |
| 10:49.25 | MrElendig | set it to en_GB.utf8 instead :) |
| 10:49.39 | valdyn | thats a hack, he has a broken installation somewhere |
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| 10:50.19 | MrElendig | see if it works with `LC_ALL="en_GB.utf8" whatever_you_want_to_run |
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| 10:51.01 | SparFux | If I set LC_MESSAGES manually and the call locale, the output gives "C" for every other LC_*, but only C without "" for LC_MESSAGES !! |
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| 10:52.24 | SparFux | valdyn: http://paste.nerv.fi/75798999.txt |
| 10:52.26 | valdyn | SparFux: thats ok, doesnt matter |
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| 10:53.15 | valdyn | SparFux: use strace -f -eopen aptitude instead |
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| 10:54.22 | SparFux | valdyn: http://paste.nerv.fi/93022570.txt |
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| 10:55.37 | paolo | ciao |
| 10:56.00 | scientes | why does apt-get upgrade have trouble with sqeeze |
| 10:56.05 | scientes | through apt-cacher-ng |
| 10:56.19 | scientes | it doesnt but the extention .bz2 or .gz and gets a 403 |
| 10:57.03 | SparFux | In /usr/lib/local I only have a file locale-archive. |
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| 10:57.28 | NetHunter | How can I refer to other computers in my network by name? |
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| 10:57.47 | valdyn | SparFux: are you on plain lenny? |
| 10:57.51 | paolo | !list |
| 10:57.51 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to paolo |
| 10:57.59 | SparFux | valdyn: I think this is testing. |
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| 10:58.41 | NetHunter | Like if one machine's hostname is machine1, and another machine's hostname is machine2, I want to be able to "ping machine2" from machine1 |
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| 10:59.18 | SparFux | I can set LC_* in /etc/profile and get rid of the errors. |
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| 10:59.37 | SparFux | But if I don't set them there, it should simply use default locale, doesn't it? |
| 10:59.38 | valdyn | SparFux: damn they changed the locale archive so i cant yet read it |
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| 10:59.44 | valdyn | SparFux: its a single file archive now |
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| 11:00.06 | SparFux | valdyn: Yes, I think so. That's why there aren't the single files anymore. |
| 11:00.09 | valdyn | SparFux: i can see that its trying to use en though, not C |
| 11:00.15 | SparFux | valdyn: But even with locales-all installed I get these errors. |
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| 11:00.48 | valdyn | SparFux: whats the version of your aptitude? |
| 11:00.51 | SparFux | valdyN: strange, when I set LC_MESSAGES to C I get rid of the error. |
| 11:01.06 | SparFux | valdyn: aptitude 0.4.11.11 compiled at Nov 20 2008 05:11:32 |
| 11:01.08 | mig__ | NetHunter: add them to /etc/hosts |
| 11:01.22 | NetHunter | mig__: No other way? |
| 11:01.22 | valdyn | SparFux: so you have a non-printable character in LC_MESSAGES possible? |
| 11:01.34 | NetHunter | mig__: I got DHCP here, so the IP aren't that static |
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| 11:01.48 | SparFux | valdyN: even if I unset LC_MESSAGES I get the error. |
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| 11:02.39 | SparFux | valdyN: anyway, the error does no harm at all, I guess. |
| 11:02.58 | mig__ | NetHunter: That is a problem. No name server in your network? |
| 11:03.57 | valdyn | SparFux: i think you might have a conflict and could be confusing the locale system |
| 11:04.15 | valdyn | SparFux: but i have no deep understand of how it does this so this is just a guess |
| 11:04.38 | valdyn | SparFux: strictly speaking you cannot mix utf-8 with non-uf8 locales,that would produce garbled output |
| 11:04.46 | NetHunter | mig__: I guess what I'm actually asking is what's the Linux-equivalent of WINS? |
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| 11:05.31 | valdyn | SparFux: its ending up at trying to use LC_MESSAGES=en |
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| 11:05.47 | xingu | NetHunter: avahi/mdns |
| 11:06.07 | NetHunter | xingu: cool, any tutorials at hand on how to setup/configure that? |
| 11:07.24 | mig__ | NetHunter: I would say you need "bind". See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIND |
| 11:07.50 | morphir_ | what fonts do you guys prefer in terminal? |
| 11:07.59 | valdyn | SparFux: but en never exists |
| 11:08.08 | NetHunter | mig__: I actually think that mdns is exactly what I've been looking for. |
| 11:08.32 | xingu | NetHunter: avahi-publish(1) and friends |
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| 11:10.53 | mig__ | NetHunter: I haven't experience with that but it looks perfect for your requirements. |
| 11:11.11 | NetHunter | mig__: Yeah, thanks a lot. |
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| 11:11.44 | mig__ | NetHunter: you're welcome! |
| 11:12.15 | SparFux | valdyn: ok, I have to get back to this later on. Thanks for the help so far. I have to get off keyboard now. I will try some other stuff tomorrow evening and perhaps I can find the problem some day. |
| 11:13.31 | NetHunter | How do I change my hostname? |
| 11:13.40 | NetHunter | Just edit /etc/hostname and restart networking? |
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| 11:15.38 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 11:15.38 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname', or see /etc/mailname |
| 11:16.55 | halacyforn | hello, i have a big problem, i instal 20 minutes ago a new stable debian and i dont have a graphical mode i have geoforce 9500GT 1 GB |
| 11:17.21 | valdyn | halacyforn: aptitude install xorg gdm gnome |
| 11:18.39 | halacyforn | i have all instaled |
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| 11:19.17 | halacyforn | all pckages with list |
| 11:19.18 | bzyk | and what is done when you type "startx" ? |
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| 11:19.59 | halacyforn | thy wrote th x serwer cannot be configured |
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| 11:20.15 | halacyforn | my english is bad |
| 11:20.31 | halacyforn | now i am on windows |
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| 11:20.57 | neosix | Hello! |
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| 11:21.29 | bzyk | ok. try to type; nvidia-xconfig |
| 11:21.33 | halacyforn | hmm maybe you know where is a x srewer configuration i remrber only that /etc/X11/ |
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| 11:21.52 | bzyk | or manually; nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and configure 'nv' as a card driver |
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| 11:22.42 | halacyforn | hmmm |
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| 11:23.14 | halacyforn | when i use a dir in /etc/X11 i dont see file xorg.conf |
| 11:23.58 | bzyk | and what say; dpkg -l | grep xorg |
| 11:23.59 | bzyk | ? |
| 11:24.18 | halacyforn | yyy |
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| 11:24.46 | bzyk | this will tell you about xorg packages |
| 11:24.55 | bzyk | type; dpkg -l | grep xorg |
| 11:25.05 | bzyk | is there any packages? |
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| 11:25.12 | halacyforn | now i wri dont kknow |
| 11:25.18 | halacyforn | now i am on windows |
| 11:25.36 | halacyforn | for a moment i go to debian and test all |
| 11:25.52 | bzyk | and try type; locate xorg.conf |
| 11:26.40 | halacyforn | what command is configure xorg server i remeber linux have thata command |
| 11:27.28 | pappanz | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 11:28.04 | halacyforn | instal nvidia driver is apt-get nvidia ? |
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| 11:34.36 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 11:37.38 | dury | I got lenny installed...but I switch on the pc the screen resolution changes.... and by the way how do I install Xgl package |
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| 11:41.20 | dury | I got lenny installed...but when I switch on the pc the screen resolution changes.... and by the way how do I install Xgl package |
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| 11:45.10 | Hypergraphe | Hi Squeeze netinst doesn't seems to detect my Hard drive |
| 11:45.25 | Hypergraphe | do you think it's a bug ? |
| 11:45.35 | Hypergraphe | or a misconfiguration of me |
| 11:48.01 | Trewas | dury: xgl is afaik pretty much dead in favor of aiglx (which is included in xorg) |
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| 11:49.18 | dmarkey | can anyone give me any pointer with setting up dovecot deliver with exim on debian |
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| 11:50.06 | halacyforn | shit |
| 11:50.20 | halacyforn | fucking debian cannot configure |
| 11:50.38 | maligor | configure what? |
| 11:50.39 | halacyforn | function locate have big errors |
| 11:50.52 | halacyforn | i dont have xorg.conf file |
| 11:51.13 | halacyforn | apotituDe install xoirg gdm gnome dont work |
| 11:51.56 | maligor | squeeze or sid? |
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| 11:52.11 | halacyforn | when io write T( yes) they write error and i must only click n |
| 11:52.18 | halacyforn | LEnny stable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:52.40 | halacyforn | i dont have a graphical mode!!!!!! |
| 11:52.46 | maligor | write error? |
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| 11:52.53 | maligor | that sounds serious |
| 11:53.04 | halacyforn | yes |
| 11:53.23 | halacyforn | i have a tested debian lennny no provblems stable super porblems |
| 11:53.28 | dury | Trewas: I want to install compiz inthis box that's why |
| 11:53.31 | halacyforn | what is that |
| 11:53.53 | halacyforn | i have a polish debian |
| 11:54.23 | halacyforn | my graphic kard is 9500 GT |
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| 11:54.31 | maligor | well, it's a kernel driver issue or hardware issue if you're getting write errors |
| 11:54.36 | halacyforn | phenom X4 9850 |
| 11:54.51 | halacyforn | 2,5 GHz |
| 11:54.57 | halacyforn | 32 bit wersion debian |
| 11:54.58 | maligor | what chipset? |
| 11:55.04 | Trewas | dury: compiz doesn't require xgl |
| 11:55.09 | halacyforn | Asus |
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| 11:56.13 | maligor | halacyforn, have you run memtest on the system? |
| 11:56.15 | halacyforn | Asus M3N-H HDMI GF8300 s.AM2+ |
| 11:56.22 | halacyforn | no |
| 11:56.24 | maligor | memory issues cause all sorts of weird issues and it's easy to test |
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| 11:58.44 | maligor | the new nvidia stuff should have ahci working fine tho |
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| 12:00.01 | Anchakor | hi, I just did update, and during fonconfig update I got loads of errors like "ata3: ..." "DRDQ ERR" or somthing like that. I rebooted system and disk is awfully slow working nonstop... is the disk passing away? what are the best tools to find out? (waird that this is half year old thinkpad) |
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| 12:03.20 | halacyforn_ | hmmm interwals in network yy internet connection can make errors in instled debian ? |
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| 12:04.50 | xand | halacyforn_: sorry, no idea what you mean |
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| 12:09.56 | genia4 | Hi, how would I set up postfix to forward received mail elsewhere? |
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| 12:20.53 | bullgard4 | smb.conf: "Domains: Is this machine able to authenticate users? Both Primary Domain Controller (PDC) and Backup Domain Controller (BDC) must have this setting enabled. If you are the BDC, you must change the 'domain master' setting to 'no': ; domain logons = yes." How can I decide if this machine is able to authenticate users? |
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| 12:25.43 | superjet_busy | is fontconfig just use the first match or take all into count then to decide? |
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| 12:28.59 | fmr | hey, an idea, I've many of DRDY ERR, BMDMA stat 0x24, UNC.. error when I'm booting today... |
| 12:29.19 | fmr | hard drive dead ? |
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| 12:30.08 | liable | looks a bit that way |
| 12:30.26 | BlackDex | Hello there. |
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| 12:30.45 | BlackDex | Im am trying to setup bind9, but it isn't going well |
| 12:31.08 | BlackDex | i created the zones and the zone files |
| 12:31.43 | BlackDex | checked them with named-checkzone |
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| 12:32.00 | BlackDex | but it is not working |
| 12:32.29 | BlackDex | also, if i do an "sudo /etc/init.d/bind restart" it takes very long for bind to stop |
| 12:32.38 | abrotman | which OS ? |
| 12:32.51 | BlackDex | debian lenny |
| 12:33.09 | abrotman | how long is "very long" ? |
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| 12:33.37 | BlackDex | havent timed it, but like little bit less then 1 full minute |
| 12:35.11 | abrotman | but bind works just fine ? |
| 12:35.54 | BlackDex | well if i try dig mydomain.lan it can't resolve it |
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| 12:36.27 | abrotman | does the machine show bind running ? |
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| 12:37.07 | BlackDex | if i do bind9 status it says it is running |
| 12:37.16 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 12:38.19 | BlackDex | also, netstat shows that there is an service running on port 53 (tcp and udp) |
| 12:38.38 | dury | is it possible to install properly nvidia geforce 8 8800 in lenny and then run rightly compiz |
| 12:40.27 | bullgard4 | smb.conf: "Domains: Is this machine able to authenticate users? Both Primary Domain Controller (PDC) and Backup Domain Controller (BDC) must have this setting enabled. If you are the BDC, you must change the 'domain master' setting to 'no': ; domain logons = yes." How can I decide if this machine is able to authenticate users? |
| 12:41.38 | abrotman | BlackDex: did you check the bind logs for errors ? |
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| 12:43.23 | BlackDex | abrotman: If you mean syslog and dmseg, yes.. i see non |
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| 12:44.00 | abrotman | are you trying to query from a different machine or the same machine ? |
| 12:44.15 | BlackDex | the same machine |
| 12:44.46 | abrotman | no firewall ? |
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| 12:45.17 | BlackDex | ports for 53 are fully open |
| 12:45.31 | izua | hi. |
| 12:45.49 | izua | i installed debian 5 recently, X can't run. it gave me an alomst empty xorg.conf |
| 12:46.05 | izua | someone in #xorg told me before he saw this issue before with radeon drivers |
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| 12:46.35 | izua | check http://pastebin.com/f2266bc76 for Xorg.0.log |
| 12:46.57 | izua | i'm currently in a terminal and running irssi.. i'm quite a linux noob |
| 12:46.57 | abrotman | the empty xorg.conf is usually okay |
| 12:47.13 | abrotman | izua: how did you install xorg ? |
| 12:47.16 | izua | so i've been told |
| 12:47.49 | abrotman | did you change your xorg.conf ? |
| 12:47.52 | izua | i didn't install anything by myself. got the debian 5 netinstall cd, ran graphic installer, checked 'desktop' 'webserver' 'database' |
| 12:48.00 | izua | and i left the last option which said something about a graphic environment |
| 12:48.10 | izua | i left it checked, of course. no i haven't changed xorg.conf |
| 12:48.28 | izua | i tried X -configure, then i ran X -config (file given by previous command) and it spewed some errors |
| 12:48.37 | abrotman | if you lspci | grep VGA ... what video card do you have ? it seems your card might be too new for the xorg in lenny |
| 12:49.08 | izua | ati X1300 |
| 12:49.09 | izua | lemme do that |
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| 12:49.30 | izua | ok.. silly question, how do I quick-pate in irssi the output of a command? |
| 12:49.30 | abrotman | well .. RV535 is in the long .. maybe it's a new PCI ID it doesn't recognize |
| 12:49.34 | izua | there's no mouse around. |
| 12:50.33 | abrotman | izua: in your irc client .. type `/exec -o lspci -nn | grep VGA` |
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| 12:50.33 | izua | 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV515 PRO [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series] [1002:7142] |
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| 12:50.34 | abrotman | judd: pciid 1002:7142 |
| 12:50.34 | judd | abrotman: [1002:7142] is 'RV515 PRO [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi?check=1&lspci=1002:7142 |
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| 12:51.31 | izua | well? |
| 12:51.57 | abrotman | must be a pretty new machine |
| 12:52.29 | theholyduck | the x cards are old |
| 12:52.31 | theholyduck | not new :P |
| 12:52.43 | theholyduck | all the NEW ati cards are named hd whatever |
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| 12:52.45 | izua | not really |
| 12:52.49 | izua | 3 years old |
| 12:52.54 | theholyduck | izua, thats old :P |
| 12:53.06 | izua | ati x1300 wasn't a new card when i bought it anyway |
| 12:53.16 | abrotman | well .. maybe that's the problem .. seems to be trying to use the radeonhd driver |
| 12:53.18 | izua | well.. anyway. how do I get X running? |
| 12:53.29 | theholyduck | abrotman, lalz. |
| 12:53.30 | abrotman | (--) Chipset RV515 found |
| 12:53.36 | theholyduck | most new ati cards.. |
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| 12:53.45 | theholyduck | have the problem of xorg chosing some NON radeonhd driver |
| 12:53.52 | theholyduck | and not displaying anything |
| 12:53.53 | abrotman | !radeonhd |
| 12:53.53 | dpkg | hmm... radeonhd is the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in Lenny. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>. #radeonhd @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:54.03 | abrotman | oh .. guess it is right |
| 12:54.20 | theholyduck | abrotman, just because it CAN work. doesnt mean it WILL :P |
| 12:54.23 | abrotman | it's saying it can't see your monitor ? |
| 12:54.50 | abrotman | izua: can you paste your xorg.conf |
| 12:54.59 | izua | one minute |
| 12:55.04 | abrotman | uh .. not here .. use links and paste.debian.net |
| 12:55.20 | izua | abrotman: : yeah that's what it says. failed to detect a connected monitor |
| 12:55.26 | izua | yeah yeah, i know at least that :) |
| 12:55.35 | abrotman | ok |
| 12:56.12 | izua | http://pastebin.com/f678635ca |
| 12:56.42 | abrotman | did oyu try `X -configure` ? |
| 12:56.49 | izua | yes |
| 12:57.04 | izua | when i ran the xorg.conf generated by that tool, it gives me the monitor bitching |
| 12:57.09 | izua | it gave* |
| 12:57.15 | abrotman | because you chose a bad resolution ? |
| 12:57.26 | mzz | perhaps try adding Driver "radeon" to Section "Device" |
| 12:57.28 | izua | i didn't choose anything |
| 12:57.29 | abrotman | did you try using the VESA driver ? |
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| 12:57.51 | mzz | (notice there's no explicitly picked driver in that generated xorg.conf, so you'll get the same autodetected choice of radeonhd you get with no xorg.conf at all) |
| 12:58.07 | izua | be gentle here, i barely know to switch terminals :P |
| 12:58.20 | izua | so.. Section "Device", i have to type -> Driver "radeon" ? |
| 12:58.22 | mzz | I do not know if the right fix here is to use a different version of radeonhd somehow or to use a different driver |
| 12:58.31 | izua | hmm |
| 12:58.31 | mzz | yes, try that |
| 12:58.51 | abrotman | mzz: that's okay .. X should be able to pick the driver |
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| 12:59.24 | mzz | it does, but its choice isn't working |
| 12:59.47 | abrotman | because it can't find a monitor .. |
| 13:00.04 | izua | well, it flickers like hell and there's the black-pixel white-pixel matrix |
| 13:00.14 | izua | but in its special way, it got out of the terminal. |
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| 13:00.17 | mzz | yes, which is a driver bug. I don't know what the right way to get around that driver bug is: different version of this driver or a different driver. |
| 13:00.20 | izua | does the itworks dance |
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| 13:00.46 | izua | yep.. still nothing loaded |
| 13:00.53 | izua | just an X cursor and the black/white matrix |
| 13:01.04 | mzz | (I mean obviously there actually is a monitor, because irssi is displayed on it :) |
| 13:01.20 | mzz | that sounds like you're running just Xorg, not an actual session. |
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| 13:04.27 | izua | oh. |
| 13:04.39 | izua | right. how do I run something? |
| 13:04.42 | mzz | startx? |
| 13:05.18 | izua | heh |
| 13:05.20 | izua | yeah :) |
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| 13:06.10 | izua | thanks a lot! |
| 13:06.28 | izua | if i could scroll up, i'd mention everybody, but I don't know how to scroll up in irssi, lol. |
| 13:06.35 | izua | i got.. gnome |
| 13:06.52 | mzz | pgup |
| 13:07.13 | izua | oh.. |
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| 13:07.24 | izua | i was trying shift+pgup as in raw terminals |
| 13:09.30 | fmr | re |
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| 13:12.22 | izua | hmm |
| 13:12.47 | izua | how do i configure kde as my default X thing? |
| 13:12.56 | izua | i heard a few dudes talk about fluxbox too |
| 13:13.17 | valdyn | izua: how are you starting X? |
| 13:13.21 | izua | startx |
| 13:13.30 | valdyn | izua: editor ~/.xsession |
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| 13:14.17 | izua | excuse me, what's ~ ? |
| 13:14.24 | valdyn | !~ |
| 13:14.24 | dpkg | ~ is, like, a reference to your home directory, or an apt-enhanced IRC shortcut (w00t!), or ask me about '+' |
| 13:14.33 | bullgard4 | How can I increase the logging level in smb.conf? |
| 13:14.36 | izua | ah |
| 13:15.16 | izua | i did /home/izua/.xsession and it's still blank. |
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| 13:15.33 | izua | oh.. wait.. am i supposed to use ~? |
| 13:15.51 | izua | still a blank file, though |
| 13:15.55 | valdyn | izua: only if you want to minimize keyboard work |
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| 13:16.23 | izua | got it. well ~/.xsession is blank. or so said vim. |
| 13:16.25 | valdyn | izua: ok, quit your editor, just do "echo exec startkde > ~/.xsession" |
| 13:17.03 | izua | nothing |
| 13:17.06 | izua | prompt came back |
| 13:17.12 | valdyn | izua: startx |
| 13:17.25 | izua | failed |
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| 13:17.34 | valdyn | izua: so kde is not installed? |
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| 13:18.03 | valdyn | izua: whats the output of "which startkde" |
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| 13:19.34 | tarfawt | fellaz |
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| 13:20.01 | izua | it's pretty big.. somethign about "calling driver entry point failed, reverting to software rendering" |
| 13:20.07 | izua | i assume that's the error |
| 13:20.24 | valdyn | izua: that is certainly not the output of "which startkde" |
| 13:20.25 | izua | right before it, unknown chip 0x7142, can't guess. |
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| 13:21.07 | mzz | izua: "startx >/tmp/logfile 2>&1", "pastebinit /tmp/logfile" could help |
| 13:21.07 | izua | well, that's the only output i see |
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| 13:21.27 | valdyn | izua: please run the damn command "which startkde" and tell the output |
| 13:21.29 | mzz | izua: "which startkde" should've said "/usr/bin/startkde" or "startkde not found" |
| 13:21.32 | valdyn | izua: there NEVER is no output |
| 13:21.37 | tarfawt | whats better, hydra or medusa |
| 13:21.46 | izua | there is no output valdyn |
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| 13:22.04 | valdyn | izua: so you really mean that the prompt is printed again |
| 13:22.11 | valdyn | izua: and nothing beyond that |
| 13:22.17 | izua | yes. |
| 13:22.28 | izua | /bin/sh: /pastebinit: No such file or directory |
| 13:22.29 | valdyn | izua: so kde is not installed. |
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| 13:22.37 | valdyn | izua: you want to install it? |
| 13:22.41 | mzz | izua: "pastebinit", not "/pastebinit" |
| 13:22.49 | izua | http://pastebin.com/f4149b2ac |
| 13:22.52 | izua | sorry.. |
| 13:22.56 | valdyn | mzz: we dont need to debug his X yet |
| 13:23.03 | izua | apt-get install kde? |
| 13:23.18 | mzz | yeah, you're probably right |
| 13:23.29 | valdyn | izua: yes |
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| 13:24.08 | izua | i assume the server won't like me anymore if i do /exec -o apt-get install kde? ^^ |
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| 13:24.23 | valdyn | izua: dont dare |
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| 13:24.25 | izua | ok.. working |
| 13:24.29 | izua | haha. |
| 13:25.08 | valdyn | someone learning fast here.. |
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| 13:26.09 | xand | izua: that wouldn't work, because root is banned from here :p |
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| 13:26.21 | xand | it would only output two lines! |
| 13:26.39 | valdyn | root cant really be banned |
| 13:26.45 | valdyn | username root can |
| 13:26.50 | xand | well true |
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| 13:27.31 | valdyn | fortunately people being stupid enough to irc as root are probably not intelligent enough to change their irc username |
| 13:27.34 | infinity0 | is there a way to use the cut command to use [space]* as a delimiter? |
| 13:27.53 | izua | i did a some minutes ago. |
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| 13:27.58 | izua | i did irc as root* |
| 13:28.16 | izua | what's so bad about ircing as root? |
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| 13:28.36 | xand | !root |
| 13:28.36 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 13:28.45 | valdyn | izua: thats a long answer |
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| 13:29.26 | valdyn | izua: if you are someone that needs ~/ more than / then theres no particilarily big danger in ircing as root |
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| 13:29.40 | valdyn | izua: but it would still be a bad habbit |
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| 13:30.44 | mzz | well, as far as destroying valuable data goes that's true, but if whatever attacks you gets root privs it can install hard to detect rootkit-like things |
| 13:31.03 | mzz | so even if you don't particularly care about losing data other than ~ it's still not a good idea |
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| 13:31.47 | valdyn | izua: the least you do by ircing as root is risky to be a hazzle for others |
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| 13:31.54 | valdyn | izua: the least you do by ircing as root is risking to be a hazzle for others |
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| 13:35.10 | izua | i gotta go. bbl. |
| 13:35.19 | izua | kde is installed.. gonna try to run it a bit later |
| 13:35.21 | izua | thanks a lot! |
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| 13:43.40 | johnrw | Midnight Commander seems to have a double cmd prompt |
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| 13:45.10 | johnrw | like this 0;johnrw@gw614ge: ~johnrw@gw614ge:~$ |
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| 13:49.51 | RiotingPacifist2 | i took an lvm snapshot of a partition now i how do i restore it to the snapshot state? sorry if its really simple but all backupguides are about using snapshots to create backups not using them AS backups |
| 13:49.52 | B_O_B | hi am new to Linux can anyone tell if debian is a good os to start with? |
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| 13:50.50 | gps23 | B_O_B, imho, yes |
| 13:50.58 | maligor | B_O_B, depends on how much you want to spend time learning |
| 13:51.01 | jpinx | B_O_B: yes |
| 13:51.11 | Chousuke | B_O_B: I'd say it requires a bit more... effort than some other distros, but if you're not discouraged by the prospect of having to spend time learning things, then it's just fine. |
| 13:51.16 | maligor | debian isn't as automated as some desktop oriented distros |
| 13:51.19 | jpinx | B_O_B: I started with debian and never looked back |
| 13:52.02 | B_O_B | ok thanks |
| 13:52.09 | gps23 | B_O_B, the best thing is that it has so much documentation, in case you need it |
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| 13:52.19 | jjoseph | B_O_B, It's what I stared with. Lots of good info on how to do most everything out there for it too. It won't disappear anytime soon either. |
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| 13:52.36 | gps23 | B_O_B, and once you get a hang of it you will be comfortable with other Debian based distros |
| 13:52.44 | B_O_B | ok |
| 13:53.27 | gps23 | B_O_B, not to mention the excellent IRC channel :p |
| 13:53.50 | B_O_B | yep |
| 13:53.58 | maligor | yes, I'm sure someone here even has an Authentic Unix Beard! |
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| 13:54.27 | B_O_B | Debian looks nice I mean the GUI |
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| 13:54.58 | jpinx | B_O_B: you will be well-supported |
| 13:55.02 | maligor | all linux distroes look pretty much the same, heh |
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| 13:55.06 | Chousuke | I guess. though what it looks like is rather irrelevant. |
| 13:55.22 | jpinx | maligor: not at all - Debian is in a class of it's own |
| 13:55.56 | maligor | you mean Debian GNOME looks better than Fedora GNOME? |
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| 13:56.09 | maligor | or possibly Ubuntu GNOME, or SUSE GNOME |
| 13:56.11 | gps23 | B_O_B, GUI is irrelevant, one can make Gentoo to look the same as Debian, what matters is the tools provided |
| 13:56.26 | jpinx | maligor: we are talking about debian - not the desktop |
| 13:56.41 | B_O_B | where is every one from I am in the UK |
| 13:56.42 | maligor | jpinx, well, he said GUI |
| 13:57.04 | jpinx | B_O_B: don't be distracted by the GUI - you can have almost any gui you want and make it look like what you want |
| 13:57.07 | maligor | debian's primary advantage is the community |
| 13:57.54 | RiotingPacifist2 | and the repos are pretty powerful too |
| 13:57.56 | B_O_B | ok |
| 13:58.20 | jpinx | B_O_B: and the stability and ease of installing packages ;) |
| 13:58.26 | gps23 | B_O_B, to summarize, Debian got the right mix of community, stability, documentation and others (which i can't remember now) :) |
| 13:58.49 | B_O_B | ok |
| 13:59.19 | jpinx | B_O_B: just install it - you can always change later if you don't like it |
| 13:59.32 | avu | observe: Debian's marketing departement in action :) |
| 13:59.48 | B_O_B | what's a good size HDD to use with Debian? |
| 14:00.14 | gps23 | avu, whats the point of marketing Debian in its _own_ channel? :) |
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| 14:00.40 | avu | gps23, well, you're doing it right now, don't ask me.. :) |
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| 14:00.56 | maligor | Our two weapons are community and stability.... and documentation!.... Our three weapons are community, stability and documentation.... |
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| 14:01.15 | B_O_B | ok |
| 14:01.19 | avu | and sharks with lasers of course |
| 14:01.26 | gps23 | avu, oh yes, so i gave my services to debian in some way |
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| 14:02.21 | B_O_B | are you all using Debian right now ? |
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| 14:02.35 | sepult | i am |
| 14:02.38 | sepult | don't know others |
| 14:02.44 | B_O_B | ok |
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| 14:04.41 | jpinx | B_O_B: this channel only works with debian users |
| 14:05.26 | maligor | Yes, there's ruthless people enforcing ontopicness |
| 14:06.47 | jjoseph | B_O_B, As for HD size, you can use very little if you need to. Anyone know what a base workstation install takes up? |
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| 14:07.33 | gps23 | he is going to learn debian so he will most prob be installing GNOME/KDE |
| 14:07.50 | johnrw | Midnight Commander seems to have a double prompt in the subshell... it quickly becomes unusable at modest length paths... |
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| 14:11.33 | myeggo | i have downloaded a dictionaru package |
| 14:11.39 | myeggo | where is it saved? i dont find |
| 14:11.48 | myeggo | was dict-freedict-en-spa |
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| 14:12.42 | B_O_B | hi all |
| 14:12.42 | dob1 | hi, there is some other graphical tool better than kdiskfree to see how the space are arranged in the various directories ? something with graph to see where are big files, etc |
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| 14:13.35 | pseubodot | looks for abrotman |
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| 14:14.58 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws/flex# apt-get install eclipse sun-java5-bin |
| 14:14.58 | Agiofws | Reading package lists... Done |
| 14:15.11 | Agiofws | 8 upgraded, 50 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1036 not upgraded. |
| 14:15.11 | Agiofws | 1 not fully installed or removed. |
| 14:15.11 | Agiofws | Need to get 212MB of archives. |
| 14:15.11 | Agiofws | After this operation, 393MB of additional disk space will be used. |
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| 14:15.46 | bluprofondo | ciao a tutti, sono alla ricerca di utenti appassionati di informatica, internet, programmazione che desiderino scrivere articoli per un blog |
| 14:15.48 | Agiofws | fuk dat |
| 14:15.56 | nkuttler | !it |
| 14:15.57 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:18.00 | mettwuerstl | hi |
| 14:18.18 | jester45 | hi |
| 14:18.19 | mettwuerstl | is there a program that can extract several pages from pdf/dvi/ps? |
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| 14:19.04 | jjoseph | dob1, kdirstat is great. |
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| 14:19.22 | nkuttler | mettwuerstl: pdftotext |
| 14:19.38 | esaym | Hello folks. Today when I turned my computer on, as I watched the text scrolling by as linux booted I noticed the ext3 journal needed to be recovered. It paused for a bit and then continued on, starting up fine. However I have now noticed that 20gb worth of virtualbox images are missing. Here is the startup fsck log /var/log/fsck/checkfs: http://pastie.org/422813 |
| 14:19.45 | esaym | It just list one inode. Could that be the folder that all my virtualbox images were in? Anyway to recover it? |
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| 14:21.33 | mettwuerstl | nkuttler: but this will give a textfile? |
| 14:23.03 | nkuttler | mettwuerstl: oh, you want it as pdf... no idea then |
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| 14:24.56 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/42200 |
| 14:24.57 | burak | !pthread |
| 14:24.57 | dpkg | pthreads are the POSIX implemention of threads. A multithreaded program has several lines of execution sharing the same address space. To learn about how to use pthreads, see http://mas.cs.umass.edu/~wagner/threads_html/tutorial.html, or install glibc-doc then check out /usr/share/doc/glibc-doc/html/chapters_34.html, which is an overview of pthreads |
| 14:25.45 | burak | broken link |
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| 14:27.33 | liamjfoy | hi |
| 14:27.44 | johnrw | Could this be causing it? echo $PS1; \[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ |
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| 14:28.00 | liamjfoy | I've just installed debian and when i boot it for the first time my monitor just shows 'Out of range' |
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| 14:29.06 | liamjfoy | its a nvidia card - let me find the exact card hang on |
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| 14:29.42 | johnrw | liamjfoy: it's your monitor telling you the resolution is too high |
| 14:29.56 | liamjfoy | how do I change it when I can't boot the os? |
| 14:30.38 | johnrw | you'll have to go to ctl-alt-f1 in the text mode |
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| 14:30.40 | Agiofws | can someone do |
| 14:30.50 | Agiofws | can someone do echo $PYTHONPATH on hos debian system please ? |
| 14:31.08 | sladi | liamjfoy: try man xorg.conf and add options horizsync and vertsync |
| 14:31.11 | Agiofws | can someone do echo $PYTHONPATH on his debian system please ? |
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| 14:31.46 | johnrw | Agiofws: I get nothing back |
| 14:31.48 | ssx3max | Agiofws: no result :x |
| 14:31.52 | ssx3max | ssx3max@NuX:~$ echo $PYTHONPATH |
| 14:31.52 | Agiofws | ok |
| 14:31.54 | ssx3max | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.03 | liamjfoy | johnrw: do I do this at boot? or... |
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| 14:32.38 | johnrw | liamjfoy: you can do so now |
| 14:32.54 | johnrw | hold ctl and alt and press f1 |
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| 14:33.30 | johnrw | you'll need to do ctl-alt-f7 to go back to graphics mode. |
| 14:34.00 | sladi | liamjfoy: debian starts six consoles at start and tries to start a gui at position seven IIRC. so when you see out of sync there are six othere consoles available |
| 14:34.44 | liamjfoy | ah cool - I see it. let me try |
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| 14:35.14 | johnrw | liamjfoy: you'll need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 14:35.57 | johnrw | but maybe pastebin that file and put the link here... |
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| 14:39.04 | johnrw | another thing you can try is... go back to the out of range screen...(ctl-alt-f7 to get back in graphics mode) and then try ctl-alt-numerickeypad-minus |
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| 14:40.52 | liamjfoy | johnrw: ah I see something now, but its huge... I think I need to find my monitor settings |
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| 14:41.22 | sladi | http://pastebin.com/d593e15cf This is my xorg.conf for the nvidia binary driver. |
| 14:41.39 | AriMartti | evening |
| 14:42.03 | AriMartti | any idea about most-vim-likecli web-browser? |
| 14:42.06 | liamjfoy | sladi: could I ssh that over and change the horiz etc to my specs do you think? |
| 14:42.15 | AriMartti | i!m now using w3m |
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| 14:42.24 | liamjfoy | the card is very new - alienware system. I think its 9600 GT |
| 14:42.30 | liamjfoy | cant be 100% sure |
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| 14:43.36 | sladi | liamjfoy: well I never SSHed :) but you should try those two lines. |
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| 14:45.11 | AriMartti | -communicator typos |
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| 14:46.05 | johnrw | liamjfoy: you can hit ctl-alt-f7 a few times... it will cycle through the resolutions layed out in xorg.conf |
| 14:46.13 | AriMartti | i'm usually surf the Web by phone trough SSH and screen windows |
| 14:46.36 | liamjfoy | johnrw: my xorg.conf is very bare and contains no other resolutions. |
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| 14:46.46 | liamjfoy | can I make debian generate a basic one |
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| 14:48.09 | AriMartti | and I think that almost every web pages with readable content are text-based |
| 14:48.56 | AriMartti | that's why i'n finding more vim-like cli web browser |
| 14:49.01 | AriMartti | as w3m is |
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| 14:50.30 | johnrw | liamjfoy: are you planning on installing the proprietary nvidia drivers? |
| 14:51.09 | liamjfoy | yes - I just want a usable deskop :) nothing fancy and have a res. of 1440x900 |
| 14:51.34 | liamjfoy | cant find any xorg.conf for my monitor |
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| 14:51.39 | liamjfoy | (on google) |
| 14:51.57 | abrotman | waves at pseubodot |
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| 14:52.01 | dob1 | there is some graphic tool with a gui that can use to monitor space on the directories other than du ? |
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| 14:52.14 | AriMartti | liamjfoy: r u sure u need any xorg.conf on lenny? |
| 14:52.20 | johnrw | here mine generated by the nvidia driver http://rafb.net/p/SZFuiS36.html |
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| 14:53.21 | johnrw | but i am just showing you that once you install their driver it will offer to setup x for you... |
| 14:53.26 | liamjfoy | AriMartti: I have no idea im new to debian. |
| 14:54.16 | liamjfoy | johnrw: cant debian help me generate a xorg.conf so I can attempt to install the drivers etc |
| 14:54.48 | AriMartti | liamjfoy: maybe you should mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_bu |
| 14:54.52 | AriMartti | by root |
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| 14:55.00 | AriMartti | and then reboot |
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| 14:55.43 | johnrw | # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using |
| 14:55.45 | johnrw | # values from the debconf database. |
| 14:55.57 | AriMartti | there should be xorg which is new enough for that |
| 14:56.23 | AriMartti | only let xorg autodetect devices |
| 14:56.31 | liamjfoy | AriMartti: didnt work. |
| 14:56.38 | liamjfoy | moved the file with no luck. |
| 14:56.41 | gps23 | how does Lenny run X without proper xorg.conf? |
| 14:56.55 | AriMartti | xorg autodetect |
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| 14:57.06 | AriMartti | how about xrandr? |
| 14:57.20 | johnrw | http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us |
| 14:57.46 | AriMartti | liamjfoy: do you have gui now? |
| 14:58.03 | liamjfoy | AriMartti: no |
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| 14:58.35 | johnrw | yes... he does, but it is in 640x480 res... |
| 14:58.38 | liamjfoy | tried running dexconf - nothing. sigh. |
| 14:58.56 | liamjfoy | johnrw: I dont. the mouse pointe is about 1/8 of the screen |
| 14:58.58 | AriMartti | what the xrandr says? |
| 14:59.08 | liamjfoy | just a mouse pointer and piece of the wallpaper - nightmare |
| 14:59.15 | Akuw | i need a tool to encrypt some files, but i want the tool encrypt the file without let the original unencrypted |
| 14:59.21 | johnrw | liamjfoy: ah... okay |
| 14:59.23 | liamjfoy | AriMartti: if I run it from console? |
| 14:59.31 | AriMartti | yes |
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| 14:59.43 | liamjfoy | Cant open display |
| 14:59.55 | AriMartti | it should be a tool, which setup your graphical interface for X |
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| 15:00.12 | sladi | liamjfoy: have you tried a modeline for your res? I needed one for 1440x900 IIRC. try gtf 1440 900 60 |
| 15:00.23 | AriMartti | liamjfoy: tried any live-cd? |
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| 15:01.08 | AriMartti | ever? |
| 15:01.15 | sladi | liamjfoy: your card is new, what driver are you using now? maybe nv won't work and you need nvidia binary |
| 15:01.36 | liamjfoy | mmm, I can move around the desktop now but its _huge_ |
| 15:01.47 | liamjfoy | I can scroll around the screen with the mouse. |
| 15:02.12 | johnrw | yes it's uncomfortable... but you can at least open a browser and get to nvidia's site... |
| 15:02.16 | AriMartti | maybe the propietary driver may be best for you |
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| 15:02.35 | johnrw | again... http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us |
| 15:03.22 | AriMartti | i think that the first choice should be repository's driver |
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| 15:03.37 | johnrw | somehow... I would think a brand new alienware unit... would display a default brand new install... |
| 15:03.52 | AriMartti | because there could be different version of gcc as kernel itself has compiled |
| 15:04.02 | liamjfoy | time2001 |
| 15:04.26 | liamjfoy | stupid nameserv |
| 15:05.00 | liamjfoy | let me boot into windows and find the exact card |
| 15:05.12 | AriMartti | that may be best for nvidia users because it is tested driver |
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| 15:05.45 | AriMartti | and beouse lenny is stable release, that repository's driver should be stable too |
| 15:06.06 | AriMartti | aptitude install lspci |
| 15:06.15 | AriMartti | aptitude install lspci lshw |
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| 15:06.29 | tarfart | hi |
| 15:06.40 | tarfart | is there a .deb file for xhydra ? |
| 15:06.50 | tarfart | it's not in the repos |
| 15:07.03 | AriMartti | and then lspci -v |nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 15:07.28 | AriMartti | and lshw | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 15:07.49 | AriMartti | liamjfoy: ^ |
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| 15:09.05 | AriMartti | but now: back to Real Life ---> o/ |
| 15:09.12 | AriMartti | have a funny weekwnd |
| 15:09.35 | bullgard4 | I added in /etc/samba/smb.conf a line: "log level = 3". But why does the command "~$ smbclient \\\\MD97600\\freigegebenMD -U <password> -W MSHOME" issued on computer T42 in the same LAN still not reflect in /var/log/samba/log.t42? |
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| 15:12.27 | Akuw | i need a tool to encrypt some files, but i want the tool encrypt the file without let the original unencrypted |
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| 15:13.35 | izua | hey again. |
| 15:13.40 | Akuw | what is better to encrypt? |
| 15:13.49 | Akuw | blowfish or twofish ? |
| 15:14.07 | izua | when my box started, it ran directly into X, i chose session type kde, and it automagically started.. no more issues, heh. |
| 15:15.38 | jjoseph | Akuw, you want the tool to encrypt the file without leaving an original copy unencrypted? |
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| 15:17.14 | esaym | any easy ways to undelete a large file i deleted in ext3? |
| 15:17.15 | Akuw | yes |
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| 15:21.48 | johnrw | esaym: did you check lost+found as root? |
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| 15:23.04 | johnrw | esaym: this doesn't look good... Clearing orphaned inode 39846035 |
| 15:24.29 | valdyn | whats lost+found have to do with deleted files? |
| 15:24.44 | johnrw | valdyn: scroll up |
| 15:25.31 | valdyn | oo, restore from backup |
| 15:25.50 | adbix | 0 |
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| 15:29.33 | RiotingPacifist2 | i messed up my executables using prelink, but i have a backup snapshot of usr, if i run "rsync -aviH usrb/ usr/" will that restore most of my executables to a usable state? |
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| 15:32.31 | mstrl | hello, how do i change daemons runned in runlevels (ie rc-update on gentoo) ? |
| 15:33.08 | johnrw | update-rc.d |
| 15:33.34 | johnrw | man update-rc.d |
| 15:33.39 | mstrl | thank you |
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| 15:33.51 | johnrw | np |
| 15:34.39 | paxcoder | help? apt-get returns "xserver-xorg-video-radeon is already the newest version.", but i doubt this is true, because: http://pastebin.com/m43c6442b |
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| 15:35.50 | paxcoder | any helpz? |
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| 15:36.09 | superdump | what is the recommended way to install debian unstable? start from stable and upgrade through testing and then unstable? |
| 15:36.15 | superdump | or is there a more direct way? |
| 15:36.17 | paxcoder | what's more: pinning with -t experimental returns the same. |
| 15:36.44 | valdyn | paxcoder: apt-cache policy <packagename> lists all available versions |
| 15:37.22 | valdyn | superdump: yes, except that theres no need to go thru testing |
| 15:37.32 | paxcoder | valdyn: it says there's 1:6.11 in experimental :-/ |
| 15:38.00 | superdump | and are the testing and unstable repositories supersets of stable and testing respectively? |
| 15:38.26 | superdump | i.e. are all packages that are available in stable also available in testing and all those available in unstable? |
| 15:38.28 | valdyn | paxcoder: paste the policy output |
| 15:38.33 | superdump | (assuming dependencies can be met) |
| 15:38.42 | valdyn | superdump: no |
| 15:38.49 | superdump | ok |
| 15:39.08 | paxcoder | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m3160e0fd |
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| 15:39.41 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.47 | valdyn | you put that -2 there with pinning |
| 15:40.10 | paxcoder | valdyn: sorry? |
| 15:40.17 | paxcoder | yes, i did. |
| 15:40.30 | valdyn | paxcoder: i dont know the precise meaning, im sure its causing your issue though |
| 15:40.40 | abrotman | waves at pseubodot again .. |
| 15:40.43 | valdyn | paxcoder: so read the manpage about what which number range affects |
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| 15:41.02 | paxcoder | i did when i did that (-_- ) |
| 15:41.09 | paxcoder | ok, i will again... |
| 15:41.29 | valdyn | paxcoder: you will need to raise it anyway |
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| 15:42.28 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 15:43.51 | paxcoder | valdyn: it's supposed to prevent fallback to experimental without explicit "apt-get -t". that is what i want. |
| 15:43.57 | Azrael_- | i just converted from suse to debian and missing some packages. i use etch and wanted to install lame. whare can i get the packe for it? |
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| 15:44.16 | paxcoder | (otherwise it goes to experimental if there's no testing) |
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| 15:45.22 | paxcoder | Azrael_-: We mostly use a simple command apt-get install <package_name>, otherwise you get a nice gui with Synaptic. But you should've gotten testing, or at least lenny. |
| 15:45.27 | ajavid | good morning |
| 15:45.29 | nayx | Azrael_-: http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 15:46.34 | Daemon_Byte | just a quick question since I've forgotten. What do you put at the top of a file in cron.daily to change the default email address? |
| 15:46.41 | paxcoder | Azrael_-: the above link is for non-free things you might be missing. The rest of the packages can be found on debian.org aswell. However, if you download from there, insted of via apt-get or synaptic, you need to work out dependencies on your own. |
| 15:46.52 | Azrael_- | paxcoder: i'm no total debian-noob so far, played around a little bit but this time it shall be a productive server and here i only have a confixx+debian-image as preinstall |
| 15:46.57 | nayx | Daemon_Byte: MAILTO='' |
| 15:47.00 | ajavid | what is the list of the modes called when you pass them via kernel boot like vga=791 is the only one i know that i used to use but now i need one smaller and i can't find this list on google |
| 15:47.10 | ajavid | something bugger |
| 15:47.10 | Azrael_- | paxcoder: thx |
| 15:47.12 | ajavid | buffer |
| 15:47.13 | Daemon_Byte | course :D thanks nayx :) |
| 15:47.18 | ajavid | anyone |
| 15:47.31 | paxcoder | valdyn: help i |
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| 15:48.53 | nayx | ajavid: which vesa modes you can use depends on your vga card, i always use "hwinfo --framebuffer" to list valid modes, you will have to install that |
| 15:49.02 | ajavid | ah |
| 15:49.03 | Azrael_- | how can i add debian-multimedia.org to the sources.list? |
| 15:49.04 | ajavid | framebuffer |
| 15:49.06 | ajavid | thanks |
| 15:49.20 | ajavid | that the word I was forgetting |
| 15:49.39 | nayx | Azrael_-: instructions on the project page (scroll down) just add the lines listed there |
| 15:50.03 | emma | I've been reading about aptitude and wanted to try something out. I was going to try to simulate (with -s) and see a visual preview with (--visual-preview). But in case it did not work I went with something I would not mind having installed, so I did this: sudo aptitude -s --visual-preview install sbcl |
| 15:50.18 | emma | I expected that would give me the visual preview but not really install it, because of the -s command. |
| 15:50.19 | Azrael_- | ah, thx |
| 15:50.26 | emma | But it looks like it did install it. |
| 15:50.32 | emma | Is that a bug or am I not understanding something? |
| 15:51.10 | abrotman | emma: on debian or ubuntu ? |
| 15:51.22 | emma | abrotman: On Ubuntu but what difference does that make? |
| 15:51.32 | emma | the aptitude package is from Debian. |
| 15:51.34 | abrotman | emma: they patch their aptitude |
| 15:51.40 | emma | I see. |
| 15:51.52 | abrotman | that's why it has the -ubuntu# appended |
| 15:52.01 | stew | emma: please go to the #ubuntu channel for help with ubuntu |
| 15:52.12 | emma | abrotman: in your opinion should: sudo aptitude -s --visual-preview install sbcl |
| 15:52.21 | Zharf | how do I install wine without wine-print <.< |
| 15:52.29 | emma | do a simulation of the install in a visual mode but not install the package sbcl ? |
| 15:52.38 | stew | emma: please ask in #ubuntu |
| 15:52.48 | emma | stew: you are jumping to conclusions. |
| 15:53.09 | emma | I'm trying to understand what the correct behavior of aptitude is. #debian is a good place for that. |
| 15:53.11 | abrotman | that's you're using ubuntu? and ubuntu support belongs in #ubuntu ? |
| 15:53.23 | emma | Read the post I just said before you said that. |
| 15:53.26 | stew | emma: sorry. we can't help you here |
| 15:53.35 | emma | If it does the exact same thing on a debian machien then I hardly think its a bug. |
| 15:53.44 | abrotman | emma: we have no idea what patches ubuntu has applied to aptitude, some of which may affect what you're seeing |
| 15:53.49 | emma | How am I supposed to know if it's a bug if I don't know the correct behavior of that command? |
| 15:54.06 | stew | emma: you aren't i guess |
| 15:54.08 | SQlvpapir | emma: file a bug on ubuntus bugtracker |
| 15:54.09 | stew | emma: but this isn't the place |
| 15:54.20 | emma | stew: You make zero sense. |
| 15:54.30 | SQlvpapir | emma: he makes plenty of sense |
| 15:54.44 | emma | Listen to me carefully please --- I am not claiming there is a bug. And this has nothing to do with Ubuntu. This has to do with aptitude. |
| 15:54.47 | Chousuke | emma: you're on Ubuntu and as such the #debian channel can't help you :/ |
| 15:54.49 | ajavid | is this a ubuntu bug wanting to be reported to debian? |
| 15:55.02 | Chousuke | emma: or rather, won't :P |
| 15:55.07 | emma | ajavid: No. You can't read. |
| 15:55.10 | stew | emma: ok, well, this isn't an aptitude channel, its a channel specific to debian, not general to the tools used by both |
| 15:55.16 | stew | emma: please stop, and take this elsewhere |
| 15:55.23 | ajavid | which kinda means if I have a problem with McDonald's, I can go to Burger King to complain... |
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| 15:55.34 | emma | No it doesn't mean anything like that. |
| 15:55.36 | stew | emma: i'm sorry you don't like this channel's policies, but we're not going to change them on your behalf |
| 15:55.36 | SQlvpapir | because they use the same straws |
| 15:55.38 | MarcWeber | !tell MarcWeber about source |
| 15:55.50 | abrotman | !tell MarcWeber about selftell |
| 15:55.53 | ajavid | emma, try ##linux |
| 15:56.11 | emma | I want to know how *should* aptitude behave if you type: sudo aptitude -s --visual-preview install sbcl |
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| 15:56.23 | emma | if it *should* behave the way it has behaved for me then that's not a bug. |
| 15:56.26 | stew | emma: you are off-topic here. please stop |
| 15:56.43 | SQlvpapir | emma: did you read the manual? |
| 15:56.54 | abrotman | SQlvpapir: please go to #ubuntu to support emma |
| 15:56.57 | SQlvpapir | do so and if still confused go the the aptitude mailing list if there is one |
| 15:57.08 | emma | SQlvpapir: I read the entire F ing manual. |
| 15:57.26 | Chousuke | emma: how does it behave? |
| 15:57.37 | ajavid | MarcWeber, /msg dpkg dpkg.web.search |
| 15:57.45 | ajavid | good stuff |
| 15:58.01 | Chousuke | emma: answer that, then, ask yourself if that makes sense. if not, file a bug. |
| 15:58.06 | stew | Chousuke: SQlvpapir: emma: please move this discussion to #ubuntu |
| 15:58.23 | Chousuke | stew: there's nothing ubuntu-specific about that question. |
| 15:58.24 | emma | Chousuke: When I do the above command line entry, it took me into aptitude's visual mode, as I expected, but it actually installed the package sbcl (which I was not expecting given the -s (simulate) command). But maybe for all I know, you can't use -s in conjunction with some other commands. |
| 15:58.28 | Chousuke | not even aptitude-specific. / |
| 15:58.40 | MarcWeber | ajavid Thanks, I got it :) abrotman already told me to do so. |
| 15:58.48 | Chousuke | emma: then the manual should be clarified at least. |
| 15:58.51 | ajavid | MarcWeber, about the web interface? |
| 15:58.55 | stew | Chousuke: its certainly not debian specific |
| 15:59.19 | Geek`N`Proud | emma: sounds like a bug to me =] |
| 15:59.22 | Geek`N`Proud | " -s Simulate actions, but do not actually perform them." |
| 15:59.23 | ajavid | Chousuke, how do you know after ubuntu patching the aptitude, something stupid in behaviour didn't start to happen? |
| 15:59.28 | emma | stew: If one cannot talk about any commands that one uses while using debian, then nothing will be Debian specific. |
| 15:59.29 | ajavid | this is not debian related |
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| 15:59.45 | MarcWeber | ajavid no, thx. only about using msg |
| 15:59.54 | ajavid | you're not d iscussing about supporting a debian system or package |
| 15:59.57 | ajavid | please stop. |
| 15:59.59 | Geek`N`Proud | that was mean guys |
| 16:00.39 | abrotman | Geek`N`Proud: that's the channel policy |
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| 16:00.45 | Chousuke | meh |
| 16:01.11 | Chousuke | too bad I don't have access to a Debian system right now. I'd confirm that behaviour there and make it a Debian issue. |
| 16:01.15 | Geek`N`Proud | I tell you what |
| 16:01.18 | Geek`N`Proud | I'll try that command |
| 16:01.27 | Daemon_Byte | does anyone know if the debian mysql package has ssl support or will I have to compile it myself? |
| 16:01.31 | Geek`N`Proud | if it does the same as she is getting then unban her, okay? |
| 16:01.44 | stew | Chousuke: Geek`N`Proud: if you want to help ubuntu users please do it in #ubuntu |
| 16:01.46 | stew | now please drop it |
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| 16:02.19 | ajavid | thats a good question |
| 16:02.33 | abrotman | Daemon_Byte: what do the dependencies look like? |
| 16:02.33 | stew | Daemon_Byte: "apt-cache show mysql-server-5.0" and see if it declares a dependency on openssl or libtls |
| 16:02.35 | ajavid | and I have no idea, but I wonder if you can find out from |
| 16:02.46 | Daemon_Byte | thanks I'll try that |
| 16:03.10 | stew | Daemon_Byte: and check libmysqlclient15off (which is library clients use to connect to the server) |
| 16:03.25 | ajavid | actually I was going to suggest something else that made sense to me |
| 16:03.32 | ajavid | ok nm then |
| 16:04.06 | Daemon_Byte | meh looks like not. Thanks |
| 16:04.11 | ajavid | what about postgresql? does it support it? |
| 16:04.38 | Geek`N`Proud | stew: it does what she claimed on Debian |
| 16:04.40 | abrotman | you can answer it the same way |
| 16:04.41 | ajavid | you could go with pqsql if you don't need to be mysql specific, if you use say ORM on top of a db al |
| 16:04.50 | Geek`N`Proud | stew: so there's nothing to drop.. there is a bug in aptitude |
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| 16:05.00 | stew | Geek`N`Proud: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
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| 16:05.11 | ajavid | abrotman, I thought you'd know, I remember you going on about pgsql once so I thought you'd know probably off the top of your head |
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| 16:05.36 | octoserver | is there a VOIP software and hardware combo that works in Linux? |
| 16:05.38 | ajavid | Daemon_Byte, what you are trying to do? coding something? which lagn? |
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| 16:05.41 | gravity | Geek`N`Proud: So file a bug if you think it's a bug. |
| 16:05.42 | maligor | is start-stop-daemon broken in sid/i386 or what? |
| 16:05.55 | maligor | bit of a pita :P |
| 16:06.36 | Daemon_Byte | ajavid: I've setup a master to master mysql replication and I want to ssl it. |
| 16:06.41 | ajavid | I see |
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| 16:06.56 | ajavid | can you not tunnel msyql traffic via ssh? |
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| 16:07.02 | maligor | I hope I won't regret this, maybe experimental isn't broken, heh |
| 16:07.06 | ajavid | or something |
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| 16:07.30 | Daemon_Byte | most likely but I'm not that up on linux. |
| 16:07.36 | maligor | or maybe it's something else |
| 16:07.59 | johnrw | stew: he said it happens on Debian too! |
| 16:08.12 | ajavid | what happened on debian too? |
| 16:08.21 | maligor | trying to start any daemon is giving me: /sbin/start-stop-daemon: Unable to chdir() to '/' (No such file or directory) |
| 16:08.34 | johnrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.38 | stew | johnrw: drop it |
| 16:08.48 | johnrw | <stew> Geek`N`Proud: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 16:08.54 | stew | johnrw: drop it |
| 16:09.36 | ajavid | stew, I really think if someone using debian tried this and got this behaviour and wishes to discuss it, it should not be a problem or off topic |
| 16:09.47 | ajavid | this is no longer an ubuntu domain, and now enters debian itself |
| 16:09.58 | nkuttler | ajavid: so go to the bts |
| 16:09.59 | ajavid | either tell him how to file a bug or something |
| 16:10.04 | gravity | I already did that |
| 16:10.09 | ajavid | oh ok word |
| 16:10.10 | gravity | So the answer is given |
| 16:10.17 | ajavid | I probably missed that |
| 16:10.17 | gravity | We're not here to fix bugs. |
| 16:10.24 | stew | we are not going to discuss bans in the channel |
| 16:10.30 | MarcWeber | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.35 | abrotman | without the space |
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| 16:11.48 | Known_problems | is away: Away |
| 16:11.59 | abrotman | !tell Known_problems about away |
| 16:12.08 | johnrw | surprise... surprise... this channel needs some lessons in community... I am out of #debian... so go ahead and ban me... I'll consider it an honor... |
| 16:12.23 | jelly-home | if only my Known_problems went away! |
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| 16:12.29 | ajavid | see thats that bullshit... |
| 16:12.46 | ajavid | ahhh boy |
| 16:13.10 | maligor | or is it libc6 that's borked |
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| 16:14.11 | valdyn | emma: --visual-preview must be overriding -s |
| 16:14.24 | bullgard4 | I added in /etc/samba/smb.conf a line: "log level = 3". But why does the command "~$ smbclient \\\\MD97600\\freigegebenMD -U <password> -W MSHOME" issued on computer T42 in the same LAN still not reflect in /var/log/samba/log.t42? |
| 16:14.27 | ajavid | valdyn, where have you been? |
| 16:14.38 | ajavid | valdyn, and stop it |
| 16:14.40 | valdyn | ajavid: hmm, scrollback i guess |
| 16:14.51 | valdyn | ajavid: why stop it? |
| 16:14.55 | ajavid | address the debian user with that, not the ubuntu user |
| 16:15.12 | gravity | ugh |
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| 16:15.19 | valdyn | im talking to debian users |
| 16:15.21 | gravity | This has gotten beyond retarded. There's a fucking bug. |
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| 16:15.24 | ajavid | lol |
| 16:15.34 | gravity | Either fix it or shut up |
| 16:15.44 | ajavid | I'm just an innocent by stander |
| 16:15.46 | abrotman | shuts up |
| 16:15.48 | valdyn | gravity: what is the fix? |
| 16:15.48 | ajavid | I'm just standing by |
| 16:15.52 | nkuttler | !bts |
| 16:15.52 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 16:15.54 | gravity | valdyn: Write it |
| 16:16.00 | valdyn | gravity: i mean, what should aptitude do to be fixed? |
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| 16:16.10 | valdyn | gravity: warn that -s and GUI dont comply |
| 16:16.13 | valdyn | gravity: warn that -s and GUI dont comply? |
| 16:16.13 | ajavid | valdyn, you wanna take up this bug? |
| 16:16.30 | mizan | hi |
| 16:16.30 | gravity | valdyn: Why don't you report this ever-so-critical bug and ask the maintainer? |
| 16:16.35 | valdyn | i can file a proper bug report once i know if this is a bug and how |
| 16:16.39 | Geek`N`Proud | stew: will a default exim4 install will submit an email correctly when using reportbug? |
| 16:16.55 | mizan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.58 | stew | Geek`N`Proud: depends on how you configured it |
| 16:17.10 | abrotman | Geek`N`Proud: you can setup reportbug to use a different smtp host IIRC |
| 16:17.18 | gravity | valdyn: Here's a free clue: spend your time on more valuable things. If you don't even understand the nature of the bug, then pick one out of the BTS and fix that instead |
| 16:17.30 | mizan | were r u |
| 16:17.33 | ajavid | uhm.. default is going through debian smtp server, though in the config file you can specify which one to use |
| 16:17.45 | ajavid | the debian servers are built in the spython script's code |
| 16:17.45 | gravity | Geek`N`Proud: I think reportbug has its own smtp server so you don't need to have one configured properly on your system |
| 16:17.55 | ajavid | location I mean |
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| 16:18.20 | Geek`N`Proud | ah right =] |
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| 16:19.22 | ajavid | mizan, /msg dpkg seen somebody |
| 16:19.25 | Chousuke | valdyn: if something overrides -s, it might be useful to at least print a warning so the user is not surprised when packages actually do get installed. |
| 16:19.25 | ajavid | :D |
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| 16:19.37 | valdyn | Chousuke: I agree |
| 16:19.50 | ajavid | Chousuke, that would require a patch to the package, why don't you make and submit one. |
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| 16:20.04 | zophy | is there a program like gweather that doesn't require gnome ? |
| 16:20.25 | ajavid | gnome programs don't require gnome even, you can run them anyhow |
| 16:20.26 | valdyn | seriously, why waste time making a patch before its clear that the patch might be accepted |
| 16:20.32 | gravity | zophy: apt-cache search weather lists a ton |
| 16:20.34 | ajavid | zophy, I use kweather aplet |
| 16:20.59 | gravity | wmfrog worked for me a long while back, if you want a wm dockapplet |
| 16:21.01 | ajavid | buncha diff wm and de's have thier own weather applet modules |
| 16:21.12 | zophy | gweather is a panel applet actually\ |
| 16:21.53 | ajavid | today is saturday but it doesn't feel like it |
| 16:21.55 | gravity | gkrellm has gkrellweather, and there's gdesklets |
| 16:22.11 | zophy | i want something simple that doesn't load a ton of libs |
| 16:22.17 | ajavid | heh i wonder if you can wine weatherbug |
| 16:22.19 | ajavid | lol |
| 16:22.24 | Geek`N`Proud | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1367250 <- just incase you're interested |
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| 16:23.03 | riotingpacifist2 | is there an easy way to reinstall all my binaries |
| 16:23.04 | maligor | oh, lsb-base was broken |
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| 16:23.25 | maligor | I guess it's the price you pay for using sid |
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| 16:24.00 | ajavid | riotingpacifist2, uhm... maybe you can use dpkg to get the list of the *lib* packages and then issue install --reinstall on em? |
| 16:24.10 | ajavid | riotingpacifist2, what did you do? |
| 16:24.29 | valdyn | Geek`N`Proud: i do get a preview |
| 16:24.35 | mizan | hi |
| 16:24.42 | ajavid | yo |
| 16:24.50 | abrotman | riotingpacifist2: which version of debian ? |
| 16:24.55 | mizan | were r u |
| 16:25.01 | ajavid | why do you care? |
| 16:25.07 | valdyn | Geek`N`Proud: looks like ubuntus aptitude might act differently? |
| 16:25.15 | Geek`N`Proud | valdyn: no idea there, i'm on Lenny |
| 16:25.20 | ajavid | mizan, talk about debian not where im from |
| 16:25.22 | ajavid | :) |
| 16:25.23 | valdyn | Geek`N`Proud: me too |
| 16:25.24 | riotingpacifist2 | i ran prelink -a m without enough space free |
| 16:25.55 | Geek`N`Proud | valdyn: Lenny seems to go and actually install a package when I try it.. since apt-get remove shows a package is installed |
| 16:25.56 | mizan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.04 | abrotman | mizan: try #debian-offtopic |
| 16:26.09 | valdyn | Geek`N`Proud: on lenny i get a preview |
| 16:26.14 | Geek`N`Proud | hmmm weird |
| 16:26.33 | ajavid | riotingpacifist2, i have no idea what is prelink |
| 16:26.39 | Geek`N`Proud | lemme try again |
| 16:26.48 | riotingpacifist2 | abrotman: im on lenny-amd64, atm i only have a ubuntu32 livecd to work from though |
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| 16:27.00 | abrotman | !tell riotingpacifist2 about reinstall |
| 16:27.09 | abrotman | though .. that assumees you can boot your debian system i suppose |
| 16:27.18 | abrotman | !tell ajavid about prelink |
| 16:27.26 | ajavid | word |
| 16:27.35 | Geek`N`Proud | valdyn: i'm on lenny and I get an actual install after pressing g |
| 16:27.41 | valdyn | Geek`N`Proud: http://pastebin.ca/1367260 |
| 16:27.42 | ajavid | oh thats cool |
| 16:27.45 | valdyn | Geek`N`Proud: true |
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| 16:27.58 | riotingpacifist2 | i can boot im not sure if i can get network access though |
| 16:28.20 | Geek`N`Proud | valdyn: it's meant to simulate when you press g and not actually do it based on what -s is claimed to do |
| 16:28.34 | valdyn | Geek`N`Proud: yea, probably |
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| 16:28.43 | valdyn | Geek`N`Proud: i dont think -s affects GUI stuff at all |
| 16:28.48 | hark | valdyn: the man page distinguishes b/w command line and visual mode for -s |
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| 16:29.44 | AriMartti | has anyone thinked about mu case? |
| 16:30.01 | AriMartti | which of cli web browsers is most vim-like? |
| 16:30.08 | AriMartti | by UI |
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| 16:30.50 | ajavid | lynx? |
| 16:30.55 | valdyn | hark: so working as intended |
| 16:31.14 | valdyn | hark: or working as not completely documented or intended |
| 16:31.14 | ajavid | AriMartti, I guess lynx cuz it has just one line at bottom for commands, and rest of the top buffer area is the window |
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| 16:31.37 | AriMartti | ok, i'll try |
| 16:31.39 | gaintsura | question: I'm setting up ssh on a server, and since I have two servers total that get external access so I turned the second server's listening port to 220, when I setup the first server, I set it up so that some users didn't have to enter their user password, I'm trying to do it again from server1 to server2 so that the ssh @ server 2 doesn't ask for a users password. I've been following this: http://linuxproblem.org/art_9.html f |
| 16:31.39 | gaintsura | or both of them, but this time its not working, worked on the first server though |
| 16:31.40 | ajavid | AriMartti, or links too I think. elinks/links2 have a menubar on top |
| 16:31.53 | AriMartti | does it handle utf-8? |
| 16:32.01 | ajavid | they all handle utf8 afaik |
| 16:32.09 | AriMartti | k |
| 16:32.28 | gps23 | AriMartti, browser.vim is a vim plugin to launch vim as a web browser, you can't get closer to vim than this one |
| 16:32.33 | hark | valdyn: though it should ask you to be root when you hit g. doesn't seem to |
| 16:32.41 | ajavid | gps23, hm.. say what |
| 16:32.45 | gps23 | AriMartti, http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1053 |
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| 16:32.52 | ajavid | fucking a man |
| 16:33.11 | ajavid | nice |
| 16:33.27 | AriMartti | gps23: wow, i'll try it |
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| 16:33.50 | Geek`N`Proud | hark: it should act as if you're not root when you do --simulate in GUI mode surely? |
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| 16:34.08 | pertain | gaintsura: make sure the .ssh directory and the keys have proper permissions (chmod og-rwx). ``ssh -vvv'' also might give you a clue why it fails (a lot of output!) |
| 16:34.30 | gaintsura | thanks pertain |
| 16:34.53 | hark | Geek`N`Proud: try it. + any package |
| 16:35.21 | Geek`N`Proud | hark: I did and it installed it for real when I pressed g |
| 16:35.36 | Geek`N`Proud | which felt a little insane :( |
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| 16:40.06 | drwn | hello everybody |
| 16:40.21 | drwn | someone can help me with a cdrom problem ? |
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| 16:42.29 | gps23 | !tell drwn about ask |
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| 16:43.21 | drwn | I have a problem with cdrom |
| 16:43.32 | drwn | don't appear |
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| 16:43.42 | Zap-W | hi |
| 16:44.13 | drwn | hi man |
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| 16:47.38 | drwn | please help me with cdrom problem |
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| 16:48.12 | gusto | does anyone here have a via-rhine chipset NIC |
| 16:48.13 | gusto | ? |
| 16:48.13 | gps23 | drwn, please describe your problem |
| 16:48.25 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 16:48.43 | drwn | well.. I install a new cdrom but don't appear |
| 16:48.45 | Azrael_- | does vim of debian have no support for syntax highlighting? |
| 16:48.58 | drwn | I did a dmesg | grep CDROM |
| 16:49.05 | gps23 | Azrael_-, you need vim-scripts package |
| 16:49.08 | drwn | but I don't see |
| 16:49.31 | gaintsura | damn, he left... http://pastie.org/422886 SSH Connection diferences, I need to make server1 to server2 act the same as localhost to server1 |
| 16:50.34 | Azrael_- | k |
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| 16:50.34 | mettwuerstl | hi all |
| 16:50.34 | gps23 | Azrael_-, then you also need to invoke syntax highlighting using :syntax on |
| 16:50.34 | mettwuerstl | does anybody know how to reconfigure the keybindings for xpdf? i'd llike to adapt the emacs keybindings |
| 16:50.34 | haxi | hello, I just bought a new mic, but I can't get it working, whatever input source in alsamixer, I have nothing.. any idea? |
| 16:50.54 | maligor | haxi, integrated sound? |
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| 16:51.04 | haxi | maligor: ? |
| 16:51.09 | Azrael_- | gps23: thx, i know, i'll just search where to set it as default |
| 16:51.17 | maligor | haxi, is the sound device integrated to the mb |
| 16:51.20 | hark | Azrael_-: vim-tiny does not. install vim. you don't need to install vim-scripts |
| 16:51.36 | haxi | maligor: well, yes It's a laptop. |
| 16:51.48 | gps23 | Azrael_-, set it in ~/.vimrc |
| 16:51.56 | haxi | and btw, front mic doesn't works also (well I never got it working) |
| 16:52.12 | gps23 | drwn, you added a new CDROM drive? |
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| 16:53.16 | haxi | maligor: any idea ? :/ |
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| 16:53.59 | Azrael_- | perfekt, works |
| 16:54.07 | maligor | haxi, assuming you're sure it's not a mixer issue (like capture volumes?), it's probably a pin mis-configuration in the integrated chip |
| 16:54.11 | drwn | nop |
| 16:54.25 | maligor | haxi, a case of: intel hda designers should be shot |
| 16:54.27 | pertain | drwn: try ``dmesg | grep -i d-rom'' |
| 16:54.42 | drwn | How i can do it ? |
| 16:54.55 | haxi | maligor: well, everything in alsamixer is ON and 100% |
| 16:54.57 | bman | baconator! |
| 16:55.01 | DanDare | Hello. What happens if i install a DEB package and then after i do install from source for the same software? |
| 16:55.08 | DanDare | This will cause a great mess ? |
| 16:55.28 | haxi | DanDare: better to remove package install before installing from source |
| 16:55.29 | gps23 | drwn, what you mean by adding a cdrom? |
| 16:55.45 | maligor | haxi, mm.. we could move to #alsa, less chatter :P |
| 16:55.47 | haxi | versions ain't the same that can fucks things |
| 16:56.17 | DanDare | haxi, yeah i know its much better. But what if someone forgot that have installed from source and do the DEB install ? |
| 16:56.36 | DanDare | i mean, system dont have any check control for such a aituation ? |
| 16:56.40 | abrotman | DanDare: usually the source would install to /usr/local/ |
| 16:56.42 | DanDare | *situation |
| 16:57.35 | drwn | I install a new cdrom.. but don't load driver |
| 16:58.09 | abrotman | DanDare: you also might want to look at debsums |
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| 16:58.20 | gps23 | drwn, did you run grep over dmesg as pertain said? |
| 16:58.25 | DanDare | ok. So if i install from source and install using apt. After that i do 'make uninstall' and then try to remove the package using apt there´s chances it will broke the package as apt goes nto error ? |
| 16:58.34 | DanDare | ok abrotman, thanks |
| 17:00.06 | drwn | don't appear nothing |
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| 17:00.17 | drwn | I did dmesg | grep CDROM |
| 17:00.21 | drwn | but don't appear |
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| 17:00.41 | gps23 | drwn, do "dmesg | grep -i cdrom" |
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| 17:00.54 | natsukao | hello |
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| 17:01.19 | nataku | hello, I was wondering if the madwifi-source package was removed from the repos or something |
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| 17:01.28 | natsukao | i would like to know where i can download debian |
| 17:01.29 | pertain | it's most likely a dvd combo. Henc d-rom as in (c|dv)d-rom. |
| 17:01.35 | paxcoder | valdyn: in desparation, i tried to pin it with priority >0, and after update, apt-get install -t unstable still gives me the msg that i have the newest version (it's not). |
| 17:01.36 | gps23 | drwn, you are right, nothing comes on my system too |
| 17:01.39 | pertain | *hence |
| 17:01.40 | drwn | I did ti |
| 17:01.45 | drwn | I did it |
| 17:01.55 | natsukao | i /msg nickserv identify Pavlz delbene |
| 17:02.13 | paxcoder | ouch |
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| 17:03.12 | abrotman | !tell natsukao about netinst |
| 17:03.16 | abrotman | natsukao: and change your password |
| 17:03.26 | natsukao | i don't need the minimal |
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| 17:03.44 | hark | nataku: which debian version? |
| 17:03.48 | paxcoder | natsukao: you have bunch of links on debian.org, what's wrong with them? |
| 17:03.49 | nataku | testing |
| 17:03.58 | natsukao | 650 mb |
| 17:04.00 | themill | iyhtays |
| 17:04.07 | nataku | it just seems that I can't find it with apt-cache on my laptop or my desktop |
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| 17:04.14 | nataku | and m-a fails to install it |
| 17:04.19 | gps23 | drwn, is your problem is that when you put in a cd, it doesn't automount. am i right? |
| 17:04.19 | hark | nataku: yes, it's been removed |
| 17:04.24 | pascalll | Hi all, I would like to add a source to have nonfree package like the nvidia proprietary driver but I dont know how to do it. Can you help me please |
| 17:04.29 | nataku | that's hopefully a good sign though, right |
| 17:04.38 | nataku | as in, its functionality has been replicated by in-kernel drivers |
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| 17:04.40 | hark | nataku: what's your kernel version? |
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| 17:04.50 | drwn | no |
| 17:04.54 | nataku | 2.6.26-1 |
| 17:04.57 | gps23 | drwn, then? |
| 17:05.06 | drwn | the problem is that don't detected in the system |
| 17:05.39 | gps23 | drwn, how you know it doesn't get detected? did bios shows it? |
| 17:05.41 | drwn | neither dev |
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| 17:05.45 | hark | nataku: it's automated so it got removed.. they should have waited for .28 to hit testing |
| 17:05.55 | drwn | of course in the bios appear |
| 17:05.55 | nataku | so... |
| 17:06.04 | nataku | basically I have to build it from source until .28 appears |
| 17:06.06 | hark | nataku: see http://bugs.debian.org/519446 |
| 17:06.19 | drwn | if a run with a live-cd this work |
| 17:07.03 | nataku | that does neatly answer my question, although I'm now left with a quandry |
| 17:07.03 | drwn | is like missing a module o something |
| 17:07.04 | gps23 | drwn, then at what point it doesn't work? when you put it a cd while running debian? |
| 17:07.18 | nataku | how long do you think it'll be till .28 hits testing? |
| 17:07.39 | drwn | when I running my debian don't appear |
| 17:07.49 | paxcoder | abrotman: can you please help me with this (http://pastebin.com/d6a866b12) pinning? i tried apt-get -t experimental libgl1-mesa-glx, but it didn't work. |
| 17:08.02 | drwn | is mean the device work but don't detect in the system |
| 17:08.12 | gps23 | drwn, i think your problem is just that cd doesn't get automounted |
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| 17:08.30 | drwn | when I installed my system I used an external cdrom usb |
| 17:08.40 | themill | nataku: either take the newer kernel from sid or the older madwifi package from lenny |
| 17:08.40 | hark | nataku: will be a while, i think |
| 17:08.58 | nataku | :/ |
| 17:08.58 | drwn | but I should see with a dmesg |
| 17:09.09 | nataku | themill, that won't really work unless the one in lenny is super-new |
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| 17:09.22 | gps23 | drwn, it doesn't show up on my system too |
| 17:09.22 | nataku | I'm trying to use relatively new hardware that isn't supported very well by the in-kernel ath5k |
| 17:09.35 | abrotman | paxcoder: is there an error? |
| 17:09.39 | nataku | perhaps the sid kernel.. |
| 17:09.40 | gps23 | drwn, when i do "dmesg|grep -i cdrom" it returns nothing |
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| 17:09.53 | nataku | is there a semi-easy way to install 2.6.28? |
| 17:09.55 | hark | nataku: lenny's one should be fine |
| 17:10.03 | paxcoder | abrotman: it tells me that it is the newest package (said so) |
| 17:10.08 | mettwuerstl | How can I bound keys to others for some application? |
| 17:10.09 | pertain | grep CDROM just does not match. it's cd-rom or dvd-rom on most systems |
| 17:10.12 | nataku | honestly I'd rather be done with madwifi if possible :P |
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| 17:10.28 | abrotman | paxcoder: do you have a prefernces file for pinning ? |
| 17:10.29 | paxcoder | abrotman: dpkg -s proves otherwise |
| 17:10.38 | pertain | grep -i d-rom will most likely match |
| 17:10.42 | gps23 | drwn, pertain is right, its cd-rom |
| 17:10.46 | hark | nataku: which wireless chipset? you can try out ath5k with .26 as well... |
| 17:10.50 | paxcoder | abrotman: yes, you can see the settings from the printout, but i can post the thing itself if you want |
| 17:11.05 | nataku | hark, I have and it doesn't work, drops connections under heavy traffic, etc |
| 17:11.15 | mettwuerstl | For example, I want C-n to be interpreted as arrow-down in xpdf - how can I configure this? |
| 17:11.24 | abrotman | paxcoder: just paste `apt-cache policy` |
| 17:11.37 | paxcoder | abrotman: that's what i pasted? |
| 17:11.51 | nataku | basically I'm fine with installing the sid 2.6.28 since that's what I did the last time this type of shenanigans happened |
| 17:12.00 | nataku | what's the least breaky-things way of doing that |
| 17:12.05 | hark | nataku: what themill said then |
| 17:12.18 | nataku | just get the package from the sid repos and install it? |
| 17:12.26 | abrotman | paxcoder: not quite ... |
| 17:12.31 | abrotman | paxcoder: the 1001 on testing might be doing it |
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| 17:12.39 | paxcoder | abrotman: ok, here: http://pastebin.com/d594d00f1 |
| 17:12.45 | DarkUranium | hey |
| 17:13.01 | DarkUranium | I am trying to install Debian on my PC and I get this error: |
| 17:13.02 | DarkUranium | The ext3 filesystem creation in partition #1 of SCSI4 (0,0,0) (sdb) failed. |
| 17:13.20 | abrotman | paxcoder: you might want to read the man apt_preferences .. it describes what those numbers mean |
| 17:13.37 | themill | paxcoder: man apt_preferences and check the meaning of the different values. It's not just a rank order, the range of the number is also important. |
| 17:13.46 | DarkUranium | any idea what kight be causing it [the error] and how do I make it [the installation] work |
| 17:13.56 | paxcoder | abrotman: i have read it before, and someone suggested i read it again, so i read http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, |
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| 17:14.07 | paxcoder | themill: i know |
| 17:14.22 | themill | paxcoder: right... so you now know the answer to your problem. |
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| 17:14.58 | paxcoder | themill: no, i don't. all i see is testing first, fallback to experimental, unstable only with -t switch |
| 17:15.10 | maligor | heh, cool, new gnome foot menu icon... with a debian swirl |
| 17:16.13 | paxcoder | themill: actually, first i put -1 to unstable and -2 to experimental, but someone said i put it positive, so i put it one, which is fallback afaik. |
| 17:16.46 | paxcoder | maligor: really? sometimes i doubt i have squeeze :-( |
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| 17:17.34 | maligor | well, I'm on sid |
| 17:17.37 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, can anyone tell me where a list of current dhcp leases can be found on a 'server' running dnsmasq |
| 17:17.42 | nataku | ok! I got everything figured out now |
| 17:17.48 | nataku | thanks for explaining the madwifi situation |
| 17:17.55 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: /var/run/ ISTR |
| 17:18.10 | gps23 | drwn, your grepped d-rom from dmseg? |
| 17:18.21 | paxcoder | maligor: i don't understand. |
| 17:18.33 | hark | paxcoder: you should read man apt_preferences |
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| 17:18.41 | paxcoder | maligor: oh you mean you ARE on sid. sry |
| 17:19.04 | paxcoder | hark: i have and i am, so... |
| 17:19.10 | drwn | yes I did it |
| 17:19.22 | gps23 | drwn, no ouput? |
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| 17:19.46 | drwn | no |
| 17:20.05 | ComradeHaz | abrotman: I fear I may have to contest that |
| 17:20.23 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: dhcpd or dhcp client ? |
| 17:20.27 | ComradeHaz | I can;t find anything in that directory that looks like it's going to help |
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| 17:20.32 | gps23 | drwn, did you compiled your kernel or is it default from Debian? |
| 17:20.42 | ComradeHaz | so I'm looking for the list of leases it's currently given out |
| 17:20.43 | drwn | default |
| 17:20.57 | ComradeHaz | ie a number of IP's and mac addresses |
| 17:21.04 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: check the conf file .. it shouhld tell you where .. or `find /var/ -name *leases*` |
| 17:21.15 | drwn | if a update my kernel.. do you think that work ? |
| 17:21.44 | gps23 | drwn, in this case (default kernel) problem shouldn't come because that kernel has support for many hardwares, also you have said that you are able to boot live-cd from it |
| 17:22.04 | paxcoder | themill: does priority<1 mean don't install unless -t switch or don't install EVER? |
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| 17:22.14 | paxcoder | (ie. disallow) |
| 17:22.39 | ComradeHaz | Thanks abrotman, the find was teh best idea: /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases |
| 17:22.49 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: That was easy! |
| 17:22.55 | ComradeHaz | aye |
| 17:23.01 | drwn | I going to install a new kernel |
| 17:23.02 | ComradeHaz | I can never remember the bloody find command :D |
| 17:23.02 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: maybe the client are under /var/run/ .. or maybe i'm crazy |
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| 17:23.12 | gps23 | drwn, do "lsmod | grep cdrom" see if something is returned |
| 17:23.15 | paxcoder | abrotman: does priority<1 mean don't install unless -t switch or don't install EVER? |
| 17:23.23 | drwn | I have a 2.6.18 |
| 17:23.46 | abrotman | paxcoder: < 0 means it can't be installed |
| 17:23.48 | gps23 | drwn, 2.6.18? which linux are you using? |
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| 17:24.04 | drwn | yes.. I see the cdrom module |
| 17:24.06 | themill | paxcoder: you probably want numbers between 500 and 989 for all repos and then just put them in priority order by number. Putting the ones you really don't want between 0 and 100 can be handy too. |
| 17:24.12 | abrotman | notes there's no definition if priority = 0 |
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| 17:24.37 | abrotman | themill: go file a bug on the preferences man page :) |
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| 17:25.02 | themill | abrotman: not defining 0 is the least of its problems.... |
| 17:25.10 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:25.17 | gps23 | drwn, if i be at your place i would have updated to a latest linux (hence new version of kernel) |
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| 17:26.15 | paxcoder | themill: i thought <0 means only -t would trigger it. was that my problem? |
| 17:26.21 | paxcoder | i don't understand.... |
| 17:26.32 | simonrvn | themill: that's the clearest explanation i've seen... the manual is rather um, opaque. |
| 17:26.40 | gps23 | drwn, you can try updating to new kernel and compiling it yourself making sure that you add relevent modules. but i am not expert so... |
| 17:26.42 | themill | paxcoder: reread "prevents the version from being installed" a few times. |
| 17:27.07 | paxcoder | themill: nevermind. it was 1 in output, and -t experimental didn't work still |
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| 17:27.28 | themill | paxcoder: I'm no expert in pinning... "/msg dpkg pinning" and experiment with it yourself. |
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| 17:28.51 | paxcoder | so you tell me rtfm, implying i should know, and you don't. you, themill even said i should know what my problem is after reading. |
| 17:28.55 | pseubodot | abrotman: ping |
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| 17:29.04 | abrotman | pseubodot: HI |
| 17:29.09 | mizan | hi |
| 17:29.11 | pseubodot | abrotman: HELLO HOW ARE YOU |
| 17:29.33 | abrotman | yay! |
| 17:30.06 | drwn | of course.. but I think not necesary |
| 17:30.13 | themill | paxcoder: -1 is very explicitly defined. As are values > 1000. Both of which you have used incorrectly. I can tell you that from reading the man page... |
| 17:30.20 | drwn | because is a great machine |
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| 17:30.50 | berat | hey |
| 17:30.51 | paxcoder | *shrugs* |
| 17:30.53 | DarkUranium | anyone? please, I really want to get this installed |
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| 17:30.59 | berat | rar is a non-free package |
| 17:31.06 | drwn | this have a good resources |
| 17:31.26 | berat | are there full open source package that has ability of rar (non-free) |
| 17:31.38 | gravity | There should be a free unrar |
| 17:31.47 | gravity | Although it doesn't support everything that the non-free one does |
| 17:31.49 | berat | what is package name |
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| 17:32.11 | gravity | berat: unrar-free |
| 17:32.23 | gravity | berat: apt-cache search is your friend |
| 17:32.43 | berat | yeah i see ın the google |
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| 17:33.12 | paxcoder | themill: i have set testing to 999 and experimental to 1, and it still doesnt work >:-( |
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| 17:34.04 | simonrvn | berat: apt-cache search unrar free 4 hits -> unrar-free - Unarchiver for .rar files # is one of them. best for you to learn the tools |
| 17:34.07 | paxcoder | *shakes head* great... |
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| 17:34.58 | paxcoder | simonrvn: that won't unpack all rar files (experience: it won't unpack any of the interwebz stuff) |
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| 17:35.06 | jdahm | Hi, I instaled debian in a virtualbox VM, is there a package with guest-os tools for debian? |
| 17:35.26 | DarkUranium | paxcoder: can 7zip not open rar? |
| 17:35.51 | maligor | p7zip-rar - non-free rar module for p7zip |
| 17:35.53 | paxcoder | DarkUranium: I don't know. Windows version can for sure. |
| 17:35.57 | simonrvn | paxcoder: read what he asked for |
| 17:36.41 | paxcoder | smonrvn: the answer should be "no" then. |
| 17:37.12 | CcSsNET | openpandora.org |
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| 17:37.27 | simonrvn | apt-cache show unrar would show that.... |
| 17:38.48 | paxcoder | simonrvn: no? |
| 17:39.02 | abrotman | CcSsNET: please don't spam here |
| 17:39.44 | paxcoder | simonrvn: oh, SHOW. that would. but you said search |
| 17:39.49 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.14 | DarkUranium | anyone? |
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| 17:40.19 | DarkUranium | help with installing Debian? |
| 17:40.55 | simonrvn | paxcoder: besides, you missed the point of my syayement. i was trying to show him/her how to use apt-cache. |
| 17:41.11 | simonrvn | DarkUranium: state your problem already. |
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| 17:41.18 | DarkUranium | simonrvn: I did |
| 17:41.36 | DarkUranium | <DarkUranium> hey |
| 17:41.36 | DarkUranium | <DarkUranium> I am trying to install Debian on my PC and I get this error: |
| 17:41.36 | DarkUranium | <DarkUranium> The ext3 filesystem creation in partition #1 of SCSI4 (0,0,0) (sdb) failed. |
| 17:41.39 | simonrvn | i don't see it |
| 17:41.42 | abrotman | gravity: while you're around .. I was poking around earlier, but couldn't find it, where does xorg look to evaluate which drivers are used for which cards? |
| 17:41.54 | paxcoder | DarkUranium: did you try ext2? |
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| 17:42.26 | DarkUranium | nope, but I would really prefer to use EXT3 if at all possible |
| 17:42.32 | gravity | abrotman: In Debian we have a custom hack where each driver ships a text file that lists all the PCI ID's it's supposed to support. The server reads the files until it finds the matching PCI ID, then loads that driver. |
| 17:42.42 | gravity | abrotman: That hack is going away though, since upstream didn't want it |
| 17:42.46 | DarkUranium | I get this error at 33% (after freezing there for a few minutes) |
| 17:42.53 | simonrvn | did you try restarting the install? which installer are you using? |
| 17:43.02 | abrotman | gravity: in /usr/share/ ? |
| 17:43.04 | DarkUranium | I did try restarting |
| 17:43.04 | gravity | abrotman: The server upstream just has a built-in switch statement that chooses a driver depending on vendor ID for the PCI ID |
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| 17:43.14 | DarkUranium | it's the text-based install |
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| 17:43.22 | DarkUranium | should I try graphical? |
| 17:43.22 | nital | how do I make "aptitude search" to search given string in package *descriptions*, not names? |
| 17:43.26 | gravity | abrotman: /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci |
| 17:43.27 | abrotman | gravity: or is it compiled into the driver? |
| 17:43.33 | DarkUranium | nital: apt-cache search |
| 17:43.35 | abrotman | gravity: oh .. never would have guessed that :) |
| 17:43.39 | simonrvn | DarkUranium: no, which version, sorry. |
| 17:43.47 | DarkUranium | how do I find out? |
| 17:43.50 | abrotman | nital: aptitude search "~dfoo" IIRC |
| 17:43.51 | gravity | abrotman: The driver also has it compiled in. The text file is generated by grepping (or awking actually) the driver source at build-time |
| 17:43.58 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 17:44.00 | abrotman | gravity: thanks |
| 17:44.06 | simonrvn | did you get lenny's, squeeze's ? |
| 17:44.08 | gravity | abrotman: If the driver doesn't support the card at all it won't try and do anything with it even if you tell it to |
| 17:44.21 | abrotman | oh ... cute |
| 17:44.32 | DarkUranium | simonrvn: oh yeah, my HD is SATA and the arc is AMD64, if it helps |
| 17:45.06 | DarkUranium | simonrvn: how do I find out the version |
| 17:45.22 | gravity | abrotman: Not really. If the driver can't drive the card, it shouldn't try. It prevents bigger problems. |
| 17:45.27 | simonrvn | which one did you download? |
| 17:45.32 | abrotman | gravity: i agree |
| 17:45.40 | nital | abrotman: doesn't seem to work |
| 17:45.49 | gravity | So yeah, that's how it works in a nutshell |
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| 17:46.49 | DarkUranium | simonrvn: it's whatever version comes with the latest 5.0 net install (amd64) |
| 17:46.57 | abrotman | nital: check the aptitude manual .. |
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| 17:47.00 | nital | DarkUranium: thanks, it worked great |
| 17:47.04 | simonrvn | so lenny's |
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| 17:47.16 | DarkUranium | nital: you're welcome |
| 17:47.34 | abrotman | nital: whoops .. |
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| 17:48.08 | abrotman | nital: there is a way with aptitude .. moment |
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| 17:50.09 | johndoe | how do i prevent dhclient from running at boot time |
| 17:50.44 | petemc | johndoe: make sure the interface isnt set to auto in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:51.10 | abrotman | nital: yes, ~d should do it |
| 17:51.15 | Ace2017_- | How do i setup grub for vesa 1400x1050, 32bit? i usualy use vga=990 and it says the code is an error and asks me to pick, that is when i pick 1400x1050 32bit |
| 17:51.19 | simonrvn | DarkUranium: how are you setting up the partition, using the "auto" partitioning, or the manual? |
| 17:51.28 | DarkUranium | auto |
| 17:51.45 | DarkUranium | which gives around 310GB to EXT3 / and 6.2GB to swap |
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| 17:52.12 | Ace2017_- | DarkUranium: how much ram do you have? |
| 17:52.22 | johndoe | 6.2GB swap XD |
| 17:52.27 | simonrvn | trying rebooting and running the manual, see what happens. |
| 17:52.35 | DarkUranium | 2 gigs, so I wonder why it wants 6.2GB swap |
| 17:52.38 | DarkUranium | but I left it as it was |
| 17:52.49 | johndoe | DarkUranium: 2GB is enough |
| 17:52.52 | Ace2017_- | thought the big swap could be for suspend to disk |
| 17:52.55 | zinx | i wouldn't put more than 2GB of swap :/ |
| 17:53.19 | zinx | Ace2017_-: you only need as much ram as you have for that, generally... actually, usually less since it's compressed |
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| 17:53.44 | DarkUranium | same error again |
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| 17:53.51 | DarkUranium | failed to create a file system |
| 17:53.52 | Ace2017_- | 1.5x ram is what i've always used |
| 17:53.59 | Ace2017_- | DarkUranium: maually partition it |
| 17:54.04 | DarkUranium | tried continue this time |
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| 17:54.12 | DarkUranium | Ace, can I later upgrade EXT2 to EXT3? |
| 17:54.12 | abrotman | nital: and on my system it does just that |
| 17:54.18 | johndoe | DarkUranium: yes |
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| 17:54.23 | simonrvn | greeq: what does the altd5 screen say happene? |
| 17:54.25 | Ace2017_- | DarkUranium: don't use ext3, use xfs |
| 17:54.30 | simonrvn | DarkUranium: yup |
| 17:54.39 | DarkUranium | Ace, what are the advantages of XFS over EXT3? |
| 17:54.44 | Ace2017_- | only downside is xfs can't be shrunk |
| 17:54.52 | simonrvn | don't use xfs |
| 17:54.55 | DarkUranium | or disadvantages, for that matter |
| 17:54.57 | Ace2017_- | its faster, especially when running fsck |
| 17:55.03 | johndoe | !xfs |
| 17:55.03 | dpkg | The filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance (metadata-only) journalling and large disk support, see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ Zeroed files on power failures is fixed since like 2.6.17, see eg. http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/ Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>. |
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| 17:55.27 | ma3x | where do i find this device input: Integrated Camera as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.7/usb2/2-6/2-6:1.0/input/input6 |
| 17:55.33 | DarkUranium | what do I do if it can't make EXT2 either? |
| 17:55.49 | Ace2017_- | DarkUranium: manually parititoning doesn't work? |
| 17:55.57 | DarkUranium | about to find out |
| 17:56.05 | DarkUranium | it's just that I have to restart the PC after each failure |
| 17:56.11 | DarkUranium | because the installer goes crazy otherwise |
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| 17:56.37 | nital | abrotman: oh, I see! I thought you meant "~foo" and you mistyped this 'd' ;) |
| 17:56.39 | simonrvn | DarkUranium: try creating an xfs one, to see... something tells me it was either a bad burn, or somehow there's some odd hardware incompat. |
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| 17:56.52 | abrotman | nital: uh .. nope |
| 17:56.57 | simonrvn | DarkUranium: are you doing it step by step? |
| 17:56.59 | DarkUranium | lemme try EXT2 first |
| 17:57.02 | DarkUranium | define step by step |
| 17:57.02 | nital | abrotman: since it's next to 'f'... yeah, it works as well :) |
| 17:57.02 | Ace2017_- | DarkUranium: if you use XFS leave a /boot of about 1GB at the start of the drive |
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| 17:57.36 | abrotman | nital: if you install aptitude-doc-en (some translations availble) .. there is a section about the shortcuts you can use when searching |
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| 17:57.59 | abrotman | nital: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
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| 17:59.27 | simonrvn | DarkUranium: i.e. per the install guide, and the steps on-screen |
| 17:59.33 | paxcoder | Can someone please tell me why apt-get gives this: http://pastebin.com/m101e289? I tried these preferences: http://pastebin.com/d344a6103 and http://pastebin.com/mc3fbd1f |
| 17:59.58 | Baneo | Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6, when trying to apt-get install proftpd |
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| 18:00.15 | Baneo | I can't seem to find an answer to solve this, any help? thanks |
| 18:00.24 | DarkUranium | simonrvn: I've installed many distros in the past, but never had this problem |
| 18:00.33 | DarkUranium | I'm just going though the steps in the text installer |
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| 18:00.40 | DarkUranium | trying EXT2 now |
| 18:00.53 | simonrvn | DarkUranium: it's the first i've heard of, to be frank... |
| 18:01.12 | paxcoder | this should be the first link: http://pastebin.com/d7a5acbdb |
| 18:01.22 | simonrvn | thinks DarkUranium should maybe file a bug |
| 18:01.28 | DarkUranium | is it normal for the partitioning part to be stuck on 0%? |
| 18:01.48 | DarkUranium | (it's a big partition, 316GB) |
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| 18:02.36 | Ace2017_- | DarkUranium: maybe the hard drive could be set to ide instead of ahci in bios? |
| 18:02.45 | DarkUranium | IDE? |
| 18:02.48 | DarkUranium | this is a SATA HD |
| 18:03.04 | paxcoder | useless. |
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| 18:03.31 | Ace2017_- | my sata drives have problems unless i use it, i think it only disables NCQ |
| 18:03.42 | Ace2017_- | but ncq is bad on this sata drive with my mobo so its all good |
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| 18:04.07 | DarkUranium | hm, it seemed to go to 33% while I was not looking |
| 18:04.09 | DarkUranium | well |
| 18:04.11 | DarkUranium | same error as before |
| 18:04.16 | KC | paxcoder : I can't say for sure, but when I was installing experimental packages into testing, i had to give unstable a higher pin priority than that |
| 18:04.19 | DarkUranium | only now it says ext2 instead of ext3 |
| 18:04.51 | paxcoder | KC but if i do that, and do dist-upgrade, i'm off to experimental |
| 18:05.05 | Ace2017_- | paxcoder: you can follow the guide on installing kde4 packages, it has something on pinning |
| 18:05.06 | KC | or upgrade at all yeah |
| 18:05.19 | paxcoder | KC ... |
| 18:05.24 | paxcoder | Ace2017_-: link? |
| 18:05.32 | Akuw | i have problems to access to this page http://www.globalsolutions.com.ve/manager |
| 18:05.49 | paxcoder | Ace2017_-: no, i think i did pinning right this time. just doesn't work somehow. I'm missing something. |
| 18:05.50 | Ace2017_- | Akuw: This Connection is Untrusted |
| 18:05.58 | Akuw | security certify no valid |
| 18:06.13 | Akuw | but with another browser i can |
| 18:06.20 | Ace2017_- | paxcoder: well i had to pin it, aptitude update, then aptitude install package -t experimental -R |
| 18:06.43 | paxcoder | Ace2017_-: did that. (with apt-get) |
| 18:07.00 | Ace2017_- | paxcoder: pinning is at the very end: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html |
| 18:08.25 | paxcoder | Ace2017_-: unfortunately doesn't help (for the prob), but thanks anyway. |
| 18:08.37 | Piet | DarkUranium: it can indeed help to install with pata compatibility mode in bios instead of ahci. once the installation is complete and you updated to the latest kernel, you can then try switching back |
| 18:08.37 | Akuw | <Ace2017_: but with another browser i can access |
| 18:08.56 | Ace2017_- | Akuw: other browser is insecure? |
| 18:08.57 | Piet | that can also be a bios bug though |
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| 18:09.24 | Akuw | Epiphany |
| 18:09.53 | Piet | DarkUranium: the debian installer also writes a log files somewhere, you could inspect that by starting a shell from the menu or through ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 18:09.59 | DarkUranium | Piet: can't seem to find it |
| 18:10.23 | Ace2017_- | DarkUranium: what bios is it? laptop? |
| 18:10.33 | DarkUranium | no |
| 18:10.44 | DarkUranium | AwardBIOS |
| 18:10.51 | Piet | DarkUranium: it's not neccessarily there, depends on the bios. |
| 18:11.09 | DarkUranium | the utility is called Phoenix |
| 18:11.19 | DarkUranium | "Phoenix - AwardBIOS CMOS Setup Utility" |
| 18:11.39 | Piet | is it a new computer? |
| 18:11.47 | DarkUranium | no |
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| 18:12.09 | DarkUranium | never had these problems before |
| 18:12.14 | Piet | >1 year old? |
| 18:12.20 | DarkUranium | yap |
| 18:12.40 | DarkUranium | I had Fedora installed, and ran live Ubuntu/Mandriva/... just fine |
| 18:12.50 | Ace2017_- | well your looking for the screen which has IDE RAID and AHCI listed |
| 18:12.51 | Piet | what is the file you downloaded for the installation? |
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| 18:13.06 | Ace2017_- | its under sata mode or raid something |
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| 18:13.31 | DarkUranium | Piet: AMD64 net install |
| 18:13.40 | Piet | well if it worked with mandriva, then it must be old and should work with lenny |
| 18:13.45 | DarkUranium | it is not undeer RAID |
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| 18:14.04 | Piet | and your cpu supports amd64? |
| 18:14.14 | DarkUranium | it is an AMD 64 :) |
| 18:14.15 | Ace2017_- | DarkUranium: usually next to the place where you set raid, you can set the sata mode as IDE AHCI or RAID |
| 18:14.22 | DarkUranium | AMD Athlon X2 4000+ |
| 18:14.49 | DarkUranium | Ace2017_-: IDE Function Setup? |
| 18:14.53 | DarkUranium | all options are on in there |
| 18:14.54 | Piet | convinced |
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| 18:15.17 | dury | hi there :) |
| 18:15.20 | DarkUranium | hi |
| 18:15.30 | Ace2017_- | brb |
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| 18:15.59 | dury | how do I quit from X? |
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| 18:16.12 | DarkUranium | init 3, I believe |
| 18:16.27 | DarkUranium | no wait, Fedora has 3 |
| 18:16.30 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:16.34 | DarkUranium | but I know that Fedora is different there |
| 18:16.58 | lvh | stop using initlevels |
| 18:17.03 | DarkUranium | Piet: I don't know how could I get this working... My CD drive is SATA too, perhaps that's bothering it? |
| 18:17.11 | abrotman | DarkUranium: that doesn't apply to debian |
| 18:17.14 | lvh | DarkUranium: are you sure you want to turn X off, or do you just not want to use it for a bit |
| 18:17.16 | abrotman | dury: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 18:17.23 | abrotman | dury: or /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 18:17.24 | lvh | errr |
| 18:17.37 | lvh | dury: What abrotman said. The first one "hides" X -- it's still running. |
| 18:17.46 | lvh | The second one actually stops X. Usuaully the first one is what you want. |
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| 18:18.00 | dury | and go back |
| 18:18.07 | lvh | dury: ctrl+alt+f7 |
| 18:18.18 | lvh | on most configurations |
| 18:18.44 | lvh | dury: alt+f7 works too, but I remember ctrl+alt, because it works for both going away from X and going to X |
| 18:18.54 | lvh | dury:alt+f7 usually only works from console to X |
| 18:19.13 | DarkUranium | Ace2017_-, Piet: I'm out of ideas... |
| 18:19.32 | Piet | DarkUranium: i don't think so. is that the graphical installer? how did you setup partitions? |
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| 18:20.42 | lvh | Ace2017_-: I haven't quite followed your problem, but if you have an onboard "raid" controller, it's most likely crappy software raid. |
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| 18:20.55 | DarkUranium | Piet: text installer |
| 18:20.57 | lvh | Ace2017_-: The software raid in the linux kernel is almost always much, much better |
| 18:21.06 | Piet | DarkUranium: also, did you do a cold reboot before installing? |
| 18:21.25 | DarkUranium | Piet: I've put 316.1GB for /, EXT3 or EXT2 (tried both), 4GB for swap |
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| 18:21.39 | lvh | Ace2017_-: Unless you have either a very expensive server motherboard or an expansion card (typically made from 3ware/areca or other expensive brands) |
| 18:21.40 | DarkUranium | what is a cold reboot.. you mean, turn off the PC for a few secs in between? |
| 18:21.54 | lvh | Ace2017_-: Those are *real* raid controllers. If you have one of those, you should use it. |
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| 18:22.01 | Piet | DarkUranium: yes, or press the reset button |
| 18:22.14 | dury | lvh: the first one |
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| 18:22.20 | simonrvn | that's a warm reboot |
| 18:22.25 | DarkUranium | Piet: I pressed the reset button a number of times as the installer got completely broken after the error |
| 18:22.30 | Piet | DarkUranium: i suggest you do that and try again with guided partitoning, just to see if that would work |
| 18:22.36 | dury | bbl |
| 18:22.42 | DarkUranium | Piet: It didn't accept ctrl+c either |
| 18:22.42 | lvh | dury: Are you talking about Ace2017_- ? |
| 18:22.44 | lvh | too late. |
| 18:22.49 | DarkUranium | Piet: I tried guided first |
| 18:23.11 | DarkUranium | Piet: So, to sum up: guided, manual partitioning won't work |
| 18:23.16 | DarkUranium | ext2, ext3 won't work |
| 18:23.31 | DarkUranium | I tried all combinations (except guided ext2, as guided suggests ext3 by default) |
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| 18:23.52 | Piet | weird. i guess it's difficult to diagnose it further without logs atz this pointt |
| 18:23.58 | lvh | DarkUranium: Right. Sorry if I missed it, but I came from s2ram -- whats' the exact problem? |
| 18:24.16 | lvh | DarkUranium: Does it actually write the partition table? Does it actually format the partitions? |
| 18:24.19 | DarkUranium | lvh: can't install debian... lemme fetch the error |
| 18:24.37 | DarkUranium | <DarkUranium> <DarkUranium> hey |
| 18:24.38 | DarkUranium | <DarkUranium> <DarkUranium> I am trying to install Debian on my PC and I get this error: |
| 18:24.38 | DarkUranium | <DarkUranium> <DarkUranium> The ext3 filesystem creation in partition #1 of SCSI4 (0,0,0) (sdb) failed. |
| 18:24.53 | lvh | DarkUranium: Is this the same box as you're using IRC on? |
| 18:24.56 | DarkUranium | lvh: as you can see above, I tried different combinations |
| 18:24.57 | DarkUranium | nope |
| 18:25.00 | DarkUranium | this is a netbook |
| 18:25.06 | DarkUranium | that is a stationary PC |
| 18:25.15 | lvh | DarkUranium: Tried CTRL+ALT+F4? I think that gets you a log. Might get you more information. |
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| 18:25.28 | DarkUranium | will try |
| 18:25.30 | lvh | Also, I think C-A-F2 is a console, you can always try dmesg there. |
| 18:25.34 | lvh | What netbook is this? |
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| 18:25.56 | DarkUranium | the one I'm on? |
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| 18:25.59 | DarkUranium | MSI Wind U100 |
| 18:26.04 | lvh | I think there's a special debian channel for that btw |
| 18:26.05 | lvh | Ah, no. |
| 18:26.08 | DarkUranium | but the problem isn't in the netbook :P |
| 18:26.09 | lvh | There's one for EEE's. |
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| 18:26.20 | simonrvn | lvh: that's a good point, does his thing even make the partitions, since it would need to to make the fses |
| 18:26.23 | DarkUranium | I'm installing on my main PC |
| 18:26.47 | lvh | DarkUranium: Ah, I see. You're typing on a netbook. |
| 18:26.55 | DarkUranium | yes |
| 18:27.02 | DarkUranium | one thing, perhaps it'll help |
| 18:27.09 | simonrvn | lvh: #debian-boot on oftc |
| 18:27.12 | lvh | simonrvn: I'm guessing he does, since mkfs has no idea what "/dev/sda5" means before he wrote his table |
| 18:27.17 | DarkUranium | if I hit back after the error, it takes WAAAAY longer for the partition manager to reinitialize |
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| 18:27.30 | lvh | DarkUranium: Weird. What state is the box in now? |
| 18:27.40 | DarkUranium | in terms of 3-15 minutes (as opposed to a few secs) |
| 18:27.44 | DarkUranium | define state |
| 18:27.47 | simonrvn | whoah |
| 18:27.56 | lvh | Holy s*. |
| 18:28.06 | paxcoder | officially kicks pinning in the FACE |
| 18:28.13 | lvh | DarkUranium: Reboot using the CD, don't go as far as the partition manager. |
| 18:28.20 | lvh | DarkUranium: What kind of disks are in it? |
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| 18:28.26 | simonrvn | paxcoder: oh, that explains you being snarky :P |
| 18:28.28 | DarkUranium | 2 SATA |
| 18:28.44 | DarkUranium | one has Win XP, the other (on SATA 2) has nothing anymore :P |
| 18:28.57 | lvh | DarkUranium: Which one are you installing on? |
| 18:28.58 | lvh | DarkUranium: I see. |
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| 18:29.04 | DarkUranium | SATA 2 |
| 18:29.11 | simonrvn | tried manually creating the partitions? |
| 18:29.12 | lvh | DarkUranium: And these are configured how? On the same controller? |
| 18:29.13 | DarkUranium | okay, i'm in the boot menu |
| 18:29.23 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me what that lxde plugin is for handling network connections that they have in knoppix? |
| 18:29.25 | lvh | DarkUranium: expert |
| 18:29.28 | DarkUranium | the Grub one (I believe it's Grub) |
| 18:29.43 | DarkUranium | lvh: Yes, they are on the same controller |
| 18:29.48 | DarkUranium | or wait -- lemme check |
| 18:29.50 | lvh | DarkUranium: What controller is this? |
| 18:29.59 | DarkUranium | nForce 4 |
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| 18:30.21 | Piet | runs |
| 18:30.21 | DarkUranium | brb, need to find a flashlight |
| 18:30.22 | maligor | the nvidia secret chipset huh |
| 18:30.37 | lvh | Right, that's not AHCI. I suppose you've checked in the BIOS what the settings are for the SATA controller? |
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| 18:30.42 | simonrvn | maligor: eh? |
| 18:30.54 | DarkUranium | lvh, I have... can't recall, but they were all on |
| 18:30.55 | lvh | Specifically, *NOT* software raid and *NOT* legacy mode |
| 18:30.58 | maligor | yeah, that's nvidia proprietary sata controller |
| 18:31.01 | lvh | DarkUranium: All on is a bad thing |
| 18:31.05 | DarkUranium | well, for controllers in general |
| 18:31.09 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 18:31.12 | maligor | simonrvn, took ages to get proper support for that chipset's sata controller |
| 18:31.12 | lvh | simonrvn: nForce 3 and 4 are notoriously black magic |
| 18:31.21 | DarkUranium | I don't think it had anything specifically for that one |
| 18:31.26 | maligor | simonrvn, nvidia was like dragging their feet screaming |
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| 18:31.31 | DarkUranium | I believe it only had on/off |
| 18:31.34 | simonrvn | read: buggy |
| 18:31.41 | lvh | DarkUranium: What, compatibility mode? |
| 18:31.55 | maligor | lvh, it still has issues? |
| 18:31.56 | DarkUranium | lvh: no, enable/disable controllers |
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| 18:32.11 | lvh | maligor: not sure, I threw that nforce junk out ages ago and bought real hardware |
| 18:32.16 | lvh | DarkUranium: Ah. |
| 18:32.26 | Ace2017_- | DarkUranium: what motherbaord is it? |
| 18:32.36 | lvh | DarkUranium: I'm trying to make sure that thing doesn't try to be smarter than it is (specifically, behave as a RAID controlleR) |
| 18:32.43 | DarkUranium | and yes, they are on the same controllers |
| 18:32.47 | DarkUranium | controller* |
| 18:32.51 | DarkUranium | no, RAID is all off |
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| 18:32.59 | DarkUranium | besides, I had fedora on just recently |
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| 18:33.23 | DarkUranium | until the infamous F10 bug destroyed the installation (the bug ruins the filesystem, in my case beyond repair) |
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| 18:33.39 | lvh | DarkUranium: try pulling out your Windows disk, reboot, run "expert" on the debian boot cd, dont go into the partition manager |
| 18:33.56 | Ace2017_- | DarkUranium: what mobo? |
| 18:33.57 | DarkUranium | what do you mean by "run expert" |
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| 18:34.16 | lvh | DarkUranium: but do go up to the partition manager (I want the module autodetection to be done) |
| 18:34.27 | DarkUranium | Ace: ASUS M2N4-SLI |
| 18:34.32 | lvh | DarkUranium: On the boot prompt, just type "expert" (no quotes) followed by enter |
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| 18:35.29 | DarkUranium | lvh, how do I enter the prompt from the boot menu? |
| 18:35.38 | _AleX_ | hi all, bluetooth don't work on my laptop since lenny dist upgrade |
| 18:36.09 | ma3x | how do you exclude something, let's say you want to exclude the word 'apache' from ps aux. how you do that? |
| 18:36.15 | lvh | DarkUranium: Aren't you booting from installation media? |
| 18:36.22 | lvh | DarkUranium: I'm assuming you're trying to install debian. |
| 18:36.22 | DarkUranium | lvh, I am |
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| 18:36.29 | DarkUranium | lvh: the net install CD |
| 18:36.33 | DarkUranium | I get a boot menu |
| 18:36.40 | ma3x | to just show apache it's ps aux | grep apache, but is there opposite optoin to that? like not to show apache in the results? |
| 18:36.43 | DarkUranium | Install/Graphical install/Adv options/Help |
| 18:37.15 | DarkUranium | okay, help seems to have a prompt |
| 18:37.18 | DarkUranium | I typed in expet |
| 18:37.24 | DarkUranium | and I get a different menu than before |
| 18:37.28 | lvh | DarkUranium: Oh, right, the new installer. |
| 18:37.28 | DarkUranium | now, I can choose the step |
| 18:37.38 | _AleX_ | i don't understand, the internal bluetooth don't work, and a external bluetooth adapter don't work on the laptop, but works on other another computer with same lenny upgrade ... I have remove (with purge) all bluetooth packages, re-install it, nothing change ..any idea ? |
| 18:37.40 | lvh | DarkUranium: bleh, just pick the normal install then, I'll use the console |
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| 18:38.03 | DarkUranium | well |
| 18:38.11 | DarkUranium | I somehow managed to get the console opened earlier |
| 18:38.20 | lvh | _AleX_: I find it strange that something doesn't work and you would expect a simple purge/reinstall to fix things. |
| 18:38.22 | DarkUranium | must have hit a key by accident |
| 18:38.28 | _AleX_ | and the bluetooth work before the upgrade on sarge |
| 18:39.12 | DarkUranium | GOT IT |
| 18:39.20 | DarkUranium | lvh: had to hit escape to get the console :) |
| 18:39.25 | _AleX_ | lvh: I've made many tests with hcid.conf and rfcomm.conf, and want reinstall the original package file. can you help me with my problem ? |
| 18:39.27 | DarkUranium | lvh: I'm at the prompt now |
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| 18:39.44 | SerajewelKS | i seem to be having trouble daemonizing a process. i close all stdio handles, fork and exit from the parent, and setsid() from the child. but still the child dies after i e.g. close the shell, or if i exec() the daemon from php. |
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| 18:40.08 | _AleX_ | lvh: and on the previous system (sarge) bluetooth works natively without modifing conf files |
| 18:40.20 | xand | wonders if lenny's stable kernel has issue with intel 3945 wireless cards |
| 18:40.35 | lvh | _AleX_: Unfortunately, you told it to purge. |
| 18:40.37 | xand | (when switched off and on again it doesn't work) |
| 18:40.41 | lvh | _AleX_: Purge removes configuration files. |
| 18:40.50 | _AleX_ | lvh: i know that |
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| 18:41.31 | lvh | DarkUranium: Just do the install up to the partition manager |
| 18:41.34 | lvh | DarkUranium: but not the partman itself |
| 18:42.07 | DarkUranium | which means to the point of choosing a method? |
| 18:42.26 | lvh | DarkUranium: Yep, if you mean Guided/Manual partitioning |
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| 18:42.49 | lvh | _AleX_: First things first. Do you see anything interesting in the kernel messages or even better: syslog, about bluetooth |
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| 18:43.17 | DarkUranium | lvh: okay, I'm there |
| 18:43.30 | _AleX_ | lvh, no error in syslog about bluetooth or hcid |
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| 18:44.08 | lvh | _AleX_: *anything*? error is a relative term. |
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| 18:45.06 | lvh | DarkUranium: c+a+f2 |
| 18:45.11 | lvh | DarkUranium: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 18:45.45 | lvh | DarkUranium: See any partitions? |
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| 18:46.37 | DarkUranium | sdb* |
| 18:46.46 | DarkUranium | that's the disk I'm installing to |
| 18:47.01 | DarkUranium | I do |
| 18:47.13 | DarkUranium | there are partitions, yes |
| 18:47.22 | lvh | not anymore |
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| 18:47.27 | DarkUranium | two of them, one Linux and one swap |
| 18:47.28 | DarkUranium | ? |
| 18:47.30 | lvh | I told you to take off the winxp disk |
| 18:47.50 | DarkUranium | oh yeah, sorry |
| 18:47.52 | lvh | it shouldn't be named sdb anymore, unless the nforce controller is even more arcane than I thought |
| 18:48.07 | lvh | DarkUranium: Sorry as in "I didn't do that" or sorry as in "it really is sda" |
| 18:48.10 | DarkUranium | but wouldn't that create problems once I plugged it back in? |
| 18:48.39 | DarkUranium | sorry as in "I didn't do that" (it slip out of my mind because there was so much to do in order to try and fix it >_<) |
| 18:48.52 | lvh | DarkUranium: Unless you make your Linux disk your primary. |
| 18:48.55 | lvh | would that be a problem? |
| 18:49.01 | lvh | Just put grub on it, and use it to boot winxp |
| 18:49.28 | lvh | Don't make the partition on your WinXP disk primary active, and your bios should be smart enough not to boot from it. |
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| 18:49.52 | lvh | Unless that thing already has grub from your fedora installation, but you can fix that too. |
| 18:50.02 | lvh | (if it has grub, where is the grub installation?) |
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| 18:51.32 | DarkUranium | the grub installation is on the HD I'm formatting |
| 18:51.36 | DarkUranium | so that's not a problem |
| 18:51.48 | lvh | DarkUranium: Try to keep notes of what I'm doing so you can tell other people what I've done, since I've got a poker night in a good half hour, and I'm not sure how loong this will take. |
| 18:51.56 | lvh | DarkUranium: Great. |
| 18:52.11 | lvh | DarkUranium: So, take the winxp disk out and this time, go into the partitioner |
| 18:52.17 | lvh | See how long it takes. |
| 18:52.51 | lvh | I'm not really amazed when you tell me your nforce chipset does wierd shit. Like I said, I had one. Emphasis on the past tense. |
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| 18:53.47 | DarkUranium | well, this is the last ASUS mobo I've ever bought anyways |
| 18:54.02 | Ace2017_- | asus motherboards are good |
| 18:54.08 | DarkUranium | the ASUS cooling fan was not compatiable with their own motherboard, despite the fact that both were AM2 |
| 18:54.21 | DarkUranium | AND I have constant problems with USB input devices |
| 18:54.44 | DarkUranium | the cooling fan was falsely advertised |
| 18:54.45 | Ace2017_- | ok maybe the newer ones |
| 18:54.55 | maligor | low profile cooler?-) |
| 18:54.57 | DarkUranium | (and it cost me 50) |
| 18:55.28 | lvh | wow, that's terrible |
| 18:55.33 | DarkUranium | it said AM2-ready on the box, but I later found out that I needed to buy some adapter for it to fit on top of AM-2 |
| 18:55.42 | lvh | I buy supermicro or tyan. |
| 18:55.43 | maligor | I have one lowprofile zalman cooler that blocks two ram slots off the mb it's on :P |
| 18:55.54 | DarkUranium | yeah, I use Zalman now, too |
| 18:56.23 | DarkUranium | lvh, okay, I find the partitions on sda |
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| 18:56.39 | lvh | call me a jerk, but I get paid too much to have headdaches over trivial (ie: can be fixed by throwing money at the problem) shit like cheap motherboards with crappy chipsets. |
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| 18:57.16 | lvh | DarkUranium: Right. Two partitions? |
| 18:57.33 | lvh | DarkUranium: sda1 is 0x83, sda2 is 0x82? |
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| 18:58.11 | DarkUranium | yes |
| 18:58.25 | lvh | DarkUranium: wonderful. c+a+f1, go to partition manager |
| 18:58.33 | DarkUranium | I'm there |
| 18:58.36 | DarkUranium | manual or guided? |
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| 18:58.47 | IgorR^ | hi |
| 18:58.57 | DarkUranium | hi IgorR^ |
| 18:59.10 | Ace2017_- | manual? you don't want 6GB swap do you? |
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| 18:59.47 | DarkUranium | nope |
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| 19:00.42 | lvh | Ace2017_-: No idea what guided does |
| 19:00.44 | DarkUranium | done, should I continue? |
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| 19:00.51 | lvh | DarkUranium: was it quick? |
| 19:00.54 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me what that lxde plugin is for handling network connections that they have in knoppix? |
| 19:00.58 | lvh | DarkUranium: I'm trying to figure out why it takes that long. |
| 19:01.02 | DarkUranium | haven't hit continue yet :P |
| 19:01.03 | DarkUranium | let's see |
| 19:01.09 | lvh | DarkUranium: go for it. |
| 19:01.14 | DarkUranium | hang on, lemme get a clock |
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| 19:01.30 | Ace2017_- | doesn't ext3 usually take ages? xfs is faster ;) but you need a separate /boot |
| 19:01.52 | Ace2017_- | oh you can see the status in Ctrl+Alt+F2 right? |
| 19:01.52 | lvh | I don't measure FS quality in terms of how long mkfs takes |
| 19:01.59 | Ace2017_- | of the parition table creation |
| 19:02.00 | lvh | F4, I believe. |
| 19:02.06 | lvh | F2 is console. |
| 19:02.23 | lvh | Ace2017_-: I like XFS, but I like it for different reasons than "mkfs is fast" |
| 19:02.24 | DarkUranium | lvh: what's the usual time for 320GB? |
| 19:02.32 | lvh | DarkUranium: What filesystem? ext3? |
| 19:02.34 | DarkUranium | 316.1 of that is EXT3, the rest is swap |
| 19:02.42 | lvh | can take a while, yeah. Nothing absurd, though. |
| 19:02.45 | Ace2017_- | DarkUranium: go to ctrl+alt+f2 or f4 |
| 19:02.57 | DarkUranium | mke2fs running |
| 19:03.08 | lvh | You can remount that as ext4 I think |
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| 19:03.20 | lvh | DarkUranium: CM-F4, uname -r |
| 19:03.21 | Ace2017_- | you don't want ext4 yet |
| 19:03.26 | lvh | Ace2017_-: Why? |
| 19:03.36 | DarkUranium | ext4? thought that was beta or even alpha |
| 19:03.41 | lvh | Em, no. |
| 19:03.43 | DarkUranium | OMGYAY |
| 19:03.45 | Ace2017_- | because it takes a while to write changes to disk |
| 19:03.46 | DarkUranium | worked =D |
| 19:03.52 | lvh | Ace2017_-: Er? |
| 19:04.04 | lvh | Ace2017_-: If by that you mean "existing data isn't written as extents" then ydes |
| 19:04.09 | simonrvn | DarkUranium: \o/ |
| 19:04.11 | DarkUranium | lvh: it's, to quote "Installing the base system" |
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| 19:04.26 | lvh | Ace2017_-: I'm not sure how that translates to "it tkaes a while to write changes to disk" |
| 19:04.26 | DarkUranium | do I get a choice of KDE/Gnome at this stage? |
| 19:04.30 | valdyn | Ace2017_-: just like xfs that you just recommended |
| 19:04.30 | simonrvn | DarkUranium, lvh: what did you guys do? |
| 19:04.32 | lvh | DarkUranium: Later. |
| 19:04.47 | lvh | simonrvn: Took out the WinXP disk. |
| 19:04.51 | lvh | simonrvn: I don't trust it. |
| 19:04.59 | V13 | Hello. Can anyone help with lintian overrides? I asked #debian-devel but got no answer. |
| 19:05.00 | DarkUranium | yeah, XP is evil |
| 19:05.07 | simonrvn | nice. i had to do that with mine. |
| 19:05.24 | lvh | DarkUranium: Well, maybe. I choose not to be hostile towards XP, I just actively ignore it |
| 19:05.26 | simonrvn | V13: wrong network for that channel |
| 19:05.31 | simonrvn | V13: oftc |
| 19:05.37 | V13 | oftc == ? |
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| 19:05.44 | DarkUranium | lvh: so you are actively passive? ;) |
| 19:06.19 | Ace2017_- | offtopic? |
| 19:06.20 | V13 | simonrvn: You mean I should try irc.oftc.net? |
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| 19:06.59 | Ace2017_- | what does oftc stand for? it sure isn't irc.debian.org |
| 19:07.02 | lvh | DarkUranium: Something like that. |
| 19:07.12 | lvh | Ace2017_-: oftc is a network |
| 19:07.16 | simonrvn | V13: yes... |
| 19:07.18 | DarkUranium | lvh: I don't have XP itself, but the corporation behind it |
| 19:07.21 | V13 | irc.oftc.net is an alias for irc.geo.oftc.net., irc.debian.org is an alias for irc.geo.oftc.net. |
| 19:07.23 | V13 | thnx |
| 19:07.30 | Piet | Open and Free Technology Community |
| 19:07.33 | simonrvn | Ace2017_-: irc.debian.org is a CNAME RR for irc.oftc.net |
| 19:07.34 | lvh | Ace2017_-: So anyway, what did you have against ext4 anyway? |
| 19:07.38 | lvh | err, that was two anyways |
| 19:07.45 | DarkUranium | s/itself/& much/ |
| 19:07.53 | Ace2017_- | lvh: i don't know its just creapy |
| 19:08.02 | DarkUranium | what does ext4 add again |
| 19:08.14 | DarkUranium | in terms of features and/or stability |
| 19:08.23 | Ace2017_- | now bigger partitions are possible in ext4 |
| 19:08.39 | lvh | Ace2017_-: I don't see what's wrong with it. |
| 19:08.42 | Piet | online fsck |
| 19:08.46 | Piet | i think |
| 19:08.46 | DarkUranium | (which is sort of a feature anyways, and I'm not saying ext3 is unstable, I meant if the power runs out in middle of a write or something) |
| 19:09.02 | lvh | DarkUranium: There is no easy answer when it comes to arcane things like filesystems. |
| 19:09.23 | DarkUranium | lvh: Yes there is - EXT ;) |
| 19:09.24 | lvh | DarkUranium: ext4 is better in all measurable ways other than maturity |
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| 19:09.39 | DarkUranium | lvh: is it stable enough to be relied upon? |
| 19:09.42 | lvh | DarkUranium: I mean easy answers when it comes to technology improvements. |
| 19:09.44 | lvh | DarkUranium: Yes. |
| 19:09.48 | DarkUranium | good |
| 19:09.54 | hotgirlcandy9023 | hi my name is candy i luv me sum candy so get me sum candy and flirt with me :) |
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| 19:10.09 | lvh | as in, I'd use it in production for new boxes. |
| 19:10.12 | abrotman | hotgirlcandy9023: this is not a social channel |
| 19:10.16 | lvh | paging docter abrotman |
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| 19:10.23 | icebrain | does someone know a good display manager besides gdm or kde? I'm using xdm, but I'd like to explore alternatives |
| 19:10.29 | lvh | Ah, doctor abrotman was already here. |
| 19:10.30 | DarkUranium | hotgirlcandy9023: this is not a social server |
| 19:10.33 | abrotman | cycles a2 |
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| 19:11.11 | lvh | icebrain: wdm. |
| 19:11.12 | ubd | is there a good torrent client for headless server |
| 19:11.44 | lvh | ubd: bittorrent comes with console tools |
| 19:11.55 | lvh | ubd: bittorrent - Original BitTorent client - console tools |
| 19:12.00 | icebrain | lvh: is it light? |
| 19:12.08 | lvh | icebrain: wdm? Yes. |
| 19:12.17 | icebrain | lvh: ok, I'll try it, thanks |
| 19:12.21 | lvh | icebrain: I use it. It's like XDM, but with buttons. |
| 19:12.31 | lvh | icebrain: It looks a bit like windowmaker. |
| 19:12.47 | icebrain | lvh: I've never used windowmaker :| |
| 19:12.47 | DarkUranium | I gtg guys |
| 19:12.53 | DarkUranium | thanks a _LOT_ for your help |
| 19:12.54 | lvh | DarkUranium: enjoy your shiny new box |
| 19:12.56 | Ace2017_- | rtorrent? |
| 19:12.58 | lvh | DarkUranium: you're welcome |
| 19:13.03 | DarkUranium | lvh: I'm sure I will :) |
| 19:13.04 | DarkUranium | later |
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| 19:13.13 | lvh | I used rtorrent, but then bt came with its own non-crap tools |
| 19:13.20 | Piet | yup rtorrent |
| 19:13.22 | lvh | rtorrent is very usable though |
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| 19:13.27 | lvh | tip: screen. |
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| 19:13.48 | al1c3 | hello guys ..any suggestions on php web hosting panels (freeware) |
| 19:13.49 | icebrain | one more vote for rtorrent |
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| 19:14.22 | lvh | I have rtorrent and irssi in a screen on a box somewhere |
| 19:14.27 | ubd | how am i going to add files to rtorrent ? via ssh, can i manage to dl from private trackers? |
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| 19:14.50 | icebrain | ubd: you can configure rtorrent to "pick" all torrents you put in a folder |
| 19:15.00 | lvh | ubd: how you access the server is completely irrelevant to your ability to have your server work with private trackers |
| 19:15.02 | Ace2017_- | oh torrentflux |
| 19:15.13 | ubd | allright thanks!!! |
| 19:15.18 | lvh | ubd: Like I said, put it in a screen session |
| 19:15.27 | Ace2017_- | ubd: torrentflux has the ability to upload torrents to it via the browser |
| 19:15.38 | lvh | Seriously, learn to use screen and be happy :-p |
| 19:15.39 | ubd | i didnt like torrentflux |
| 19:15.48 | DarkUranium | al1c3: I've done an extensive search into that in the past |
| 19:15.50 | ubd | ok ill go for rtorrent and screen |
| 19:15.58 | lvh | ubd: smart man |
| 19:16.03 | DarkUranium | al1c3: I believe that either webmin or web-cp looked nice, can't recall which |
| 19:16.17 | lvh | DarkUranium: webmin looking nice? |
| 19:16.22 | lvh | DarkUranium: i very much doubt that :-p |
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| 19:16.33 | icebrain | ubd: after configured, you don't even need to look at rtorrent, just upload the torrents and download the finished files :P |
| 19:16.36 | DarkUranium | lvh: the free ones pretty much suck, unfortunately |
| 19:16.39 | icebrain | ops, too late |
| 19:16.45 | lvh | then again, I don't know, I haven't used it in a while |
| 19:16.49 | DarkUranium | al1c3: if you find any, please let me know :) |
| 19:17.07 | al1c3 | DarlUranium: Cheers for that ok dok |
| 19:17.11 | DarkUranium | just send me a privmsg or something (it will get lost in here) |
| 19:17.11 | lvh | I don't use a web interface to any of my boxen except zabbix |
| 19:17.24 | DarkUranium | al1c3: there was also Sys-cp, I believe |
| 19:17.28 | lvh | but zabbix is way too huge for small networks |
| 19:17.34 | al1c3 | web-cp was lasat updated at 2005 |
| 19:17.36 | al1c3 | :S |
| 19:17.38 | DarkUranium | al1c3: And a zPanel (or xPanel, not sure) |
| 19:18.00 | DarkUranium | anyways, I really have to go |
| 19:18.01 | DarkUranium | later |
| 19:18.04 | lvh | DarkUranium: bye |
| 19:18.12 | al1c3 | thanks DarkUranium |
| 19:18.20 | DarkUranium | np :) |
| 19:18.20 | lvh | Zabbix is cool, but only if you're working with 20+ boxen. |
| 19:18.33 | DarkUranium | gotta try that out |
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| 19:18.49 | nakk | hi |
| 19:18.58 | nakk | im looking for the dir containing a dictionary text file |
| 19:19.15 | lvh | nakk: Which dictionary? aspell? |
| 19:19.23 | nakk | english |
| 19:19.25 | lvh | nakk: Is the file in a debian package? Do you know the name of the file or the package? |
| 19:19.46 | lvh | nakk: That's the language. I asked which dictionary ;-) |
| 19:19.55 | nakk | American |
| 19:20.16 | nakk | webster ? |
| 19:20.21 | nakk | just a list of english words i need |
| 19:20.31 | lvh | nakk: Ah, you don't have it yet. |
| 19:20.36 | lvh | nakk: There's aspell and ispell |
| 19:20.43 | nakk | hmm i'll apt-cache search that |
| 19:21.01 | lvh | sudo apt-get install aspell-en |
| 19:21.06 | lvh | err, aptitude install |
| 19:21.31 | nakk | i already have aspell |
| 19:21.35 | nakk | so which dir is it? |
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| 19:22.03 | lvh | nakk: man dpkg, look for the -L flag. |
| 19:22.21 | lvh | nakk: The package lives in /var/cache/apt/archives. |
| 19:23.56 | nakk | got it thanx |
| 19:24.05 | nakk | didnt know i had to dpkg -i that too |
| 19:24.05 | lvh | you're welcome |
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| 19:24.14 | lvh | you shouldn't have to dpkg -i |
| 19:24.15 | lvh | ever |
| 19:24.22 | lvh | -L, sure -- but install? Why? |
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| 19:25.01 | nakk | wait where is it. |
| 19:25.09 | nakk | just -L it? |
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| 19:25.25 | lvh | nakk: I don't know where you got the idea that you needed to -i |
| 19:25.36 | lvh | nakk: you want -L, which lists files in a package |
| 19:25.41 | nakk | becuase there's no /usr/share/dict/words |
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| 19:26.43 | lvh | nakk: Where di you get the idea that was the file you wanted? |
| 19:26.59 | nakk | jesus chrst what do i have to type to make it work. |
| 19:27.09 | lvh | It is, but I want to know where you got that. |
| 19:27.49 | lvh | You could've just asked nicely instead of swearing :-) |
| 19:28.00 | lvh | That file comes from wamerican. |
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| 19:28.05 | stew | nakk: if you want /usr/share/dict/words, install a package like wamerican or wbritish |
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| 19:28.20 | lvh | And afaik /usr/share/dict/words has nothing to do with aspell. |
| 19:28.37 | stew | nakk: if you are trying ot figure out what what files aspell-en provides, run "dpkg -L aspell-en" |
| 19:29.17 | lvh | glvh@marvin:~$ dpkg -L aspell-en | grep dict | grep usr | wc -l |
| 19:29.22 | lvh | Without the g ;-) |
| 19:29.32 | lvh | Anyway, poker night! Gn everyone. |
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| 19:29.45 | simonrvn | abrotman: that's was a ttnet.net.tr one |
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| 19:29.55 | nakk | that line returns 0 |
| 19:29.56 | abrotman | that's was indeed |
| 19:30.01 | nakk | this is taking way too long just to get a dictionary |
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| 19:30.19 | stew | nakk: you want a dictionary or a wordlist |
| 19:30.24 | nakk | wordlist |
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| 19:30.45 | stew | nakk: install wamerican and it will be in /usr/share/dict/words |
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| 19:31.32 | nakk | ok |
| 19:31.42 | stew | nakk: (or wbritish if you prefer british english) |
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| 19:32.23 | B_O_B | hi all |
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| 19:33.53 | Mac247 | hello anyone know hot to change the gnome menu bar icon from the foot to a debian swirl? |
| 19:33.55 | Mac247 | in lenny |
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| 19:34.35 | nareshov | you could probably change that by changing the theme icons |
| 19:36.10 | zinx | yeah, that's a theme thing |
| 19:37.19 | zinx | gnome-logo-icon-transparent.* |
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| 19:37.58 | zinx | in /usr/share/icons/**/ |
| 19:38.18 | zinx | or /usr/share/pixmaps/ |
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| 19:39.12 | Carry | t61p users in #debian? |
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| 19:43.36 | Mac247 | wil look into that thx |
| 19:44.47 | B_O_B | does anyone have a url how to install Debian |
| 19:44.58 | asg_ | B_O_B: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 19:56.08 | nital | B_O_B: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+install+debian |
| 19:56.53 | B_O_B | thank you |
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| 19:57.45 | gmap | what is /var/lock for? |
| 19:58.00 | asg_ | nital: why send him to some random hit on google when the install guide is the first step? |
| 19:58.04 | asg_ | !ig |
| 19:58.04 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r7) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual. <installer firmware> |
| 19:58.39 | asg_ | gmap: generic directory for daemons and other programs to store lockfiles |
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| 20:01.29 | nital | asg_: since the lmgtfy link serves double purpose: informational (the install guide you meant is the first hit) and educational (how to get information if noone answers you on IRC) |
| 20:01.32 | rue_house | who the #$%%^ is reponcable for dropping freaking support for apache pre 2!!?! |
| 20:01.33 | rue_house | ARG |
| 20:02.24 | rue_house | freaking put a webserver back togethor again |
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| 20:03.46 | rue_house | why isn't pre2 apache available anymore!? |
| 20:03.49 | rue_house | grrrr |
| 20:04.05 | Piet | hehe |
| 20:04.26 | Piet | since you missed to pay the support fee |
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| 20:04.55 | rue_house | its really frustrating to need to do one simple thing and have to completely rebuild hte server |
| 20:04.57 | rue_house | REALLY |
| 20:04.59 | simonrvn | rue_house: pre2? |
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| 20:05.22 | simonrvn | doesn't use apache2 anymore... |
| 20:05.26 | rue_house | as in ___NOT___ apache2 |
| 20:05.57 | simonrvn | take a deep breath, and re-state that, that made no sense |
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| 20:06.02 | rue_house | damnit I have to reconfigure the entire damned thing |
| 20:06.16 | rue_house | there is apache 2 and pre 2 |
| 20:06.18 | rue_house | aka 1.4 |
| 20:06.27 | rue_house | I DO NOT WANT apache2 |
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| 20:06.36 | simonrvn | oh, i thought you meant some rc or something |
| 20:06.45 | rue_house | BUT ALL the modules aren't available for non apache2 |
| 20:07.00 | simonrvn | has wiped apache1 out of his mind |
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| 20:07.18 | rue_house | damnit I need to turn on all the home dirs |
| 20:07.39 | rue_house | can never find the freaking settings in this FRUSTRATING version of apache |
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| 20:08.06 | fgsfds | hello, can someone help me with my RTL8187 wireless card? it works in knoppix, but not debian. lshw shows the device as 'Unclaimed' even though i've loaded the right module. |
| 20:08.16 | xingu | and this, dear reader, is why we test changes in a lab. |
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| 20:08.36 | simonrvn | !xingu++ |
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| 20:09.16 | simonrvn | is sendfilev() anywhere in gnu/linux, or is that a freebsd thing only? |
| 20:09.21 | rue_house | its not a testing issue, its a "support for apache 1.4 just dropped on the debian radar" problem |
| 20:09.39 | rue_house | apache 1.4 is availabele but non e of the modules flike php and perl are available |
| 20:09.44 | simonrvn | it's been going away for a while dude.... |
| 20:10.08 | rue_house | I HATE apache2 |
| 20:10.18 | fgsfds | rue_house: why? |
| 20:10.40 | rue_house | cause its all chopped up compared to apache |
| 20:10.51 | xingu | simonrvn: see splice(2)/tee(2) |
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| 20:11.02 | simonrvn | xingu: 'k thanks |
| 20:11.13 | fgsfds | rue_house: i don't think that..then again i've never used apache ^^ |
| 20:11.38 | fgsfds | so can anyone help me with my wireless problem? |
| 20:12.30 | Piet | fgsfds: linux version? |
| 20:12.42 | fgsfds | Piet: debian lenny |
| 20:13.11 | Piet | note how i didn't "which debian release are you running" |
| 20:13.17 | Piet | *ask |
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| 20:13.52 | Piet | do you have the default linux image? |
| 20:13.52 | fgsfds | what do you mean by 'linux version' then? kernel? |
| 20:13.57 | fgsfds | yes, Piet |
| 20:14.10 | simonrvn | duh, what else is linux but a kernel? |
| 20:14.19 | Piet | fgsfds: what does dmesg say after you loaded the module or inserted the card (if it is removable)? |
| 20:14.20 | fgsfds | Piet: actually i take that back, i have the debian-eeepc version |
| 20:14.30 | rue_house | well I have to say the way that package end was halndled for apache was REALLY BAD |
| 20:14.40 | fgsfds | Piet: i'll paste it. just a moment. |
| 20:14.51 | rue_house | just grrr |
| 20:16.00 | excid3 | anyone here a mentor for Google Summer of Code? |
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| 20:16.21 | fgsfds | Piet: http://paste.debian.net/31141/ |
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| 20:18.58 | Piet | fgsfds: dpkg-query -W -f '${Status} ${Package} ${Version}\n' linux-image\*|grep '^install ok install'| cut -d' ' -f 4- |
| 20:19.01 | simonrvn | excid3: /server irc.oftc.net /join #debian-mentors |
| 20:19.03 | Pedobearishere | O HAY GUISE SORRY IM LATE |
| 20:19.07 | Pedobearishere | DID SOMEONE SAY QUERY? |
| 20:19.09 | Pedobearishere | O_O |
| 20:19.19 | simonrvn | !ops Pedobearishere |
| 20:19.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Pedobearishere |
| 20:19.19 | Piet | fgsfds: pastebin that, too, if it's more than 2 lines |
| 20:19.33 | fgsfds | Piet: uh okay |
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| 20:19.42 | simonrvn | thanks |
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| 20:21.10 | Piet | fgsfds: and this: uname -a |
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| 20:21.42 | fgsfds2 | Piet: linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.26+17 linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 2.6.26-13lenny2 |
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| 20:22.45 | killabeez_ | hey is there any music production software for linux? |
| 20:22.53 | zleap | should be |
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| 20:23.00 | patrikf | killabeez_: depends, what do you want to do? |
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| 20:23.20 | killabeez_ | partikf studio software, something that could compare to protools |
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| 20:23.37 | killabeez_ | partikf, record tracks, vocals, edit bpm's, ect. |
| 20:23.58 | excid3 | thanks simonrvn |
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| 20:24.30 | simNIX | killabeez_, maybe audacity or Linux media studio can - im not sure since I dont make music |
| 20:25.09 | Piet | fgsfds2: and uname -a ? |
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| 20:25.33 | fgsfds2 | Piet: "Linux minas-morgul 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 18:08:45 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux" |
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| 20:29.54 | Piet | fgsfds2: 2.6.27 has full support for this chipset by what i read, so either upgrade to that or compile the drivers from either rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net or http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/ and blacklist the rtl8187 module |
| 20:30.11 | Piet | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=23084 |
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| 20:31.57 | fgsfds2 | Piet: "Linux minas-morgul 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 18:08:45 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux"/ |
| 20:32.00 | fgsfds2 | er |
| 20:32.06 | fgsfds2 | sorry about that |
| 20:32.15 | fgsfds2 | Piet: would i be able to get a newer kernel from debian repos? |
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| 20:33.28 | phreck | that is the new kern |
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| 20:33.52 | fgsfds2 | phreck: 2.6.26? |
| 20:33.59 | phreck | well, the lenny kernel. |
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| 20:39.10 | Piet | fgsfds2: just development versions, but prepacked, yes |
| 20:39.37 | Piet | sorry, i'm falling asleep, am awake for 24 hours now |
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| 20:40.41 | elik | Piet, c'mon, I know you can do better |
| 20:40.47 | DarkUranium | back |
| 20:40.51 | fgsfds2 | Piet: understood, happens to the best of us :) |
| 20:41.01 | fgsfds2 | Piet: what repo could i get the prepackaged kernel from? |
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| 20:41.14 | Piet | elik: i could, but you can't afford those drugs |
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| 20:42.11 | Piet | fgsfds2: i forgor. it's the repository for debian kernel package development +testing. i'm sure seomeon knows here |
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| 20:42.44 | Piet | byr |
| 20:42.53 | DarkUranium | time to boot into Debian =) |
| 20:42.56 | Piet | bye rather, and good luck |
| 20:42.58 | elik | Piet, gn |
| 20:43.08 | DarkUranium | i wonder if it works out of the box even if I replug the other HD |
| 20:43.15 | DarkUranium | most likely not, but worth a try =) |
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| 20:43.58 | elik | DarkUranium, if you have a stock kernel, it shouldn't be too bad |
| 20:44.13 | elik | it's not windows we're talking about |
| 20:44.25 | DarkUranium | hm |
| 20:44.34 | DarkUranium | how long does it usually load... something |
| 20:44.37 | elik | and if the new box has decently compatible stuff, of course |
| 20:44.47 | DarkUranium | right after saying "Loading, please wait..." |
| 20:44.56 | DarkUranium | It's stuck there |
| 20:45.07 | elik | hum |
| 20:45.22 | DarkUranium | I'll try "noapic" |
| 20:45.25 | DarkUranium | that worked last tiem |
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| 20:45.34 | DarkUranium | with Fedora |
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| 20:45.41 | Mac247 | anyone know of a gnome icon theme that includes the debain swirl for the gnome menu bars? |
| 20:45.42 | elik | you might want to make sure the device is ok |
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| 20:45.48 | DarkUranium | which one |
| 20:45.49 | YoBoY | hi |
| 20:45.58 | elik | hello YoBoY |
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| 20:46.25 | elik | DarkUranium, well, there is a boot device for a grub entry |
| 20:46.37 | elik | if you shuffled your hds around, those might have changed |
| 20:47.14 | YoBoY | sorry to disturb, but i'm trying to report a bug and i has a mail in return who said i miss something, i'm on the right chan to ask a little help to fill this bug report ? |
| 20:47.42 | elik | YoBoY, if it's about debian, yes |
| 20:47.49 | DarkUranium | elik, how can I swap the drives back at boot-time... map (hd0) (hd1) and map (hd1) (hd0) ? |
| 20:48.08 | YoBoY | well it's about bash-completion who is a debian package :) |
| 20:48.21 | crn | what is the debian way to execute "modprobe vboxdrv" at boot? |
| 20:48.39 | valdyn | crn: echo vboxdrv >> /etc/modules |
| 20:48.56 | crn | valdyn, thanks |
| 20:49.11 | elik | DarkUranium, you wouldn't need to do that |
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| 20:49.38 | elik | DarkUranium, the root line might need to change |
| 20:50.41 | elik | DarkUranium, and you can edit it at boot time |
| 20:50.41 | DarkUranium | I know |
| 20:50.41 | DarkUranium | that's how I'm disabling APIC |
| 20:50.41 | elik | DarkUranium, right |
| 20:50.41 | DarkUranium | you know what |
| 20:50.41 | DarkUranium | I'll just boot with the other drive unplugged first |
| 20:50.57 | YoBoY | so? i paste the response if someone have the time to point me where is my mistake |
| 20:51.25 | elik | YoBoY, yup |
| 20:51.29 | elik | that's the IRC way |
| 20:51.44 | YoBoY | http://rafb.net/p/hi7hjA51.html |
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| 20:52.02 | DarkUranium | yay |
| 20:52.05 | DarkUranium | I'm in Deb :) |
| 20:52.38 | ubd | hello - i am getting "ACPI: EC: non-query interrupt received, switching to interrupt mode" constantly. this is a toshiba laptop with debian base. |
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| 20:54.51 | valdyn | ubd: why is that a problem? |
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| 20:55.05 | ubd | i cant use aptitude etc, it fills the screen |
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| 20:55.53 | elik | YoBoY, hum, I'd say you better try to find bash-completion page nd post it there |
| 20:55.55 | ubd | should i remove acpid? |
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| 20:56.21 | elik | YoBoY, cause it's not a bash-completion debian related issue, but really bash-completion |
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| 20:56.39 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:56.59 | elik | DarkUranium, coool |
| 20:57.02 | YoBoY | elik: sorry but i don't understand |
| 20:57.24 | elik | YoBoY, ce n'est pas un problème relié à Debian, aussi bien le rapporter sur la page de Bash-Completion en soi |
| 20:57.29 | nkuttler | YoBoY: #ubuntu |
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| 20:58.13 | Azrael_- | i try to install ioncube into php but every time i try (either the x86 or the x86-64-version ) i get the following error: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory my system is edge |
| 20:58.18 | Azrael_- | -edge +etch |
| 20:58.23 | DarkUranium | elik: okay, I changed device.map to reflect the new changes |
| 20:58.38 | DarkUranium | Debian boots up fine =) |
| 20:58.45 | nkuttler | Azrael_-: well, ask the ioncube people |
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| 20:59.16 | DarkUranium | elik: You see, the linux HD is hd1 once I plug in the windows HD |
| 20:59.19 | elik | DarkUranium, great |
| 20:59.26 | elik | DarkUranium, right |
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| 20:59.35 | sailor_moon | hi :o |
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| 21:00.16 | YoBoY | elik: tanks :p but the last maintainers are more debian ones... so i think i can report on debian for this litle bug, no? |
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| 21:00.55 | nkuttler | YoBoY: no. ubuntu could have patched it. use their bts. and go to #ubuntu |
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| 21:01.19 | valdyn | YoBoY: sure |
| 21:01.22 | Mac247 | anyone know of a gnome icon theme that includes the debain swirl for the gnome menu bars? |
| 21:01.40 | sailor_moon | what are you talking about? :o |
| 21:02.18 | nkuttler | !tell sailor_moon about debian |
| 21:02.21 | YoBoY | nkuttler: i'm already on ubuntu, this bug is already reported on launchpad, i'm only trying to report this bug to the right place, no more |
| 21:02.21 | valdyn | YoBoY: add a patch too |
| 21:02.29 | enouf | ubd: see "Can an embedded controller (EC) report both wake and non-wake events?" http://www.acpi.info/acpi_faq.htm to perhaps start hunting down your issue - there might be a specific acpi* related kernel boot param you can use |
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| 21:02.38 | sailor_moon | i know what debian is :| |
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| 21:03.13 | valdyn | YoBoY: i think severity should be wishlist, but uh, normal is ok |
| 21:03.15 | nkuttler | YoBoY: if you can't verify it is debian, don't report it in debian. ubuntu fixes should find their way into debian packages... |
| 21:03.16 | NTU | hi all |
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| 21:03.45 | ubd | enouf is not this happening because of acpid? |
| 21:03.49 | YoBoY | nkuttler: i have verified, it's on debian also |
| 21:04.00 | sailor_moon | :o |
| 21:04.07 | NTU | YoBoY: whats the issue? |
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| 21:04.23 | YoBoY | NTU: http://rafb.net/p/hi7hjA51.html |
| 21:04.36 | DarkUranium | well I'll be installing and using xChat from my main PC now |
| 21:04.36 | DarkUranium | bye |
| 21:04.57 | NTU | when do you get that problem Yo? |
| 21:04.59 | YoBoY | i only asked why my mail haven't be accepted, i don't see my mistake :) |
| 21:05.01 | valdyn | YoBoY: can you not use the reportbug tool? |
| 21:05.26 | valdyn | YoBoY: because Your message didn't have a Package: line at the start (in the |
| 21:05.37 | enouf | ubd: i can tell you it's ACPI related :-P |
| 21:05.45 | YoBoY | valdyn: i have used it, but my smtp is misconfigured so i registered the file generated and copy past the content to my mail |
| 21:05.50 | valdyn | YoBoY: so please use the reportbug tool |
| 21:05.52 | NTU | ubd: whats the issue? |
| 21:05.54 | Azrael_- | ok, solved it, was a classic pebkac-one |
| 21:06.17 | valdyn | YoBoY: reportbug can use any smtp you want too |
| 21:06.35 | NTU | oh. does anybody know how to set up dual LCD monitors as big desktop with no closed source drivers with debian? |
| 21:06.55 | enouf | man i love these kind of error pages ; http://www.acpi.info/qafig11a.gif |
| 21:07.28 | NTU | hahahaha |
| 21:08.12 | NTU | how do you update ACPI? |
| 21:08.32 | NTU | mine is from 2001. I'd like the 2009 version |
| 21:08.39 | valdyn | NTU: ACPI is a standard, its not something you can update |
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| 21:08.50 | YoBoY | ok, no more time to report this, tanks for your help anyway :) |
| 21:08.52 | valdyn | NTU: so what is this really about? |
| 21:09.05 | valdyn | NTU: your firmware? |
| 21:09.11 | Gun_Smoke | Is there a way to test your connection speeds from the command line similar to speakeasy.net/speedtest ? |
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| 21:09.25 | YoBoY | bye |
| 21:09.26 | NTU | valdyn, nevermind then. ACPI 4.0. I jumped to the conclusion and just guessed I had version 2.0 |
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| 21:10.47 | NTU | can i not get ACPI 4.0? |
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| 21:11.48 | valdyn | 22:08 < valdyn> NTU: ACPI is a standard, its not something you can update |
| 21:12.05 | NTU | so why have ACPI version X.X? |
| 21:12.17 | NTU | if you can't update it, no point of giving it a version |
| 21:12.45 | elik | NTU, maybe some program need to know what do depending on the version you have |
| 21:12.52 | elik | like, I don't know, ACPID |
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| 21:12.55 | valdyn | NTU: firmware supporting ACPI X.X or acpi firmware version x.x, hwo the hell would i know.. |
| 21:13.18 | NTU | why is everybody yelling at me? |
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| 21:13.43 | valdyn | NTU: i think because we have no idea what you want |
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| 21:13.50 | kunal | hello guys. |
| 21:14.16 | NTU | valdyn: hows this for what i want. where does debian look for the mesa binaries and libraries? |
| 21:14.28 | kunal | i just managed to get my 1st CD installed in my system. is it possible to download the entire gnome via console without using any CD? |
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| 21:14.36 | kunal | hi NTU |
| 21:14.47 | NTU | kunal: oh hey buddy |
| 21:14.48 | elik | NTU, I didn't see any yelling |
| 21:14.55 | valdyn | NTU: binareis in $PATH, libraries in directories listed at /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 21:15.18 | valdyn | NTU: where i am guessing that with binary you mean executables |
| 21:15.27 | NTU | I followed this guide: http://guide.opendns.com/track/click.php?q=dri+building&curl=http%3A%2F%2Fdri.freedesktop.org%2Fwiki%2FBuilding&search_grp=MAINRESULTS&search_pos=0 |
| 21:15.28 | killabeez_ | why is there no FF3 package for debian |
| 21:15.31 | killabeez_ | wtf is iceweasel |
| 21:15.35 | NTU | HAHAHAHAH!!! |
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| 21:15.46 | NTU | iceweasel is debian version of FF3 |
| 21:15.54 | elik | killabeez_, a naming issue |
| 21:15.57 | killabeez_ | k |
| 21:16.03 | killabeez_ | i assume ff3 addons werk fine? |
| 21:16.06 | NTU | i hate iceweasel |
| 21:16.07 | valdyn | NTU: to achieve what? |
| 21:16.11 | NTU | mesa 7.5 |
| 21:16.15 | valdyn | killabeez_: yea, its the same software |
| 21:16.18 | NTU | im a mese developer |
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| 21:16.22 | NTU | *mesa |
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| 21:16.44 | valdyn | NTU: youre in the wrong channel then |
| 21:16.51 | NTU | no its debian |
| 21:17.03 | elik | NTU, your attitude would be why ppl yell at you |
| 21:17.06 | NTU | im in the right place. debian moved the folders or something |
| 21:17.14 | valdyn | NTU: debian cant support upstream git or cvs or whatever |
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| 21:17.33 | NTU | i compiled gcc 4.4 from svn and it worked just fine |
| 21:17.37 | valdyn | NTU: i cant believe you want to be a mesa developer |
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| 21:17.44 | NTU | no i already am |
| 21:17.44 | gravity | NTU: Are you? What part of mesa do you work on? |
| 21:17.52 | NTU | r300 |
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| 21:18.10 | killabeez_ | valdyn, u can recommend a good dock? |
| 21:18.12 | gravity | NTU: Can you unfuck the build system for us plz? |
| 21:18.13 | valdyn | lies |
| 21:18.19 | gravity | bats his eyelashes |
| 21:18.21 | NTU | gravity: wtf!?! |
| 21:18.41 | gravity | NTU: Sorry, I just hate the mesa build system |
| 21:18.45 | NTU | mesa builds just fine in ubuntu, fedora, and opensuse just fine |
| 21:18.45 | gravity | I know I'm not the only one |
| 21:18.48 | gravity | Anyway, it's not my problem |
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| 21:18.53 | gravity | Not anymore |
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| 21:19.01 | NTU | yes it is your problem |
| 21:19.04 | NTU | im not your slave |
| 21:19.07 | NTU | so screw you |
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| 21:19.49 | elik | I love this way of doing :) |
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| 21:19.53 | kunal | hey guys i need a little help. |
| 21:19.59 | kunal | elik or someone |
| 21:20.04 | gravity | I maintained mesa for Debian for far too long to take that shit. |
| 21:20.09 | valdyn | killabeez_: no |
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| 21:20.18 | kunal | anyone here that can help? |
| 21:20.43 | elik | gravity, no, it's fine, it's just funny to see someone fucking with someone else, just to figure out they were admins... too late |
| 21:20.58 | tisker | Hello, people. Question: How to make highlighting keywords in vim for LaTeX documents? |
| 21:20.59 | elik | kunal, the rule here is post your question, someone will answer |
| 21:21.11 | elik | tisker, #vim |
| 21:21.38 | tisker | elik: it's not understandable |
| 21:21.41 | elik | tisker, but basically, syntax on |
| 21:21.42 | kunal | elik: how do i install gnome from console without using any CD rom? |
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| 21:22.01 | elik | tisker, join #vim, it's a vim related question |
| 21:22.03 | kunal | is it possible to get the entire installation for gnome. |
| 21:22.10 | tisker | elik: OK, sorry |
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| 21:22.14 | kunal | without a CD if i am in console? |
| 21:22.15 | danr_1 | hi |
| 21:22.17 | elik | kunal, aptitude install gnome should do it, no? |
| 21:22.21 | johndoe | kunal: yes, but you need an internet connectino |
| 21:22.27 | gravity | There's a vim-latexsuite package that might have helped tisker out |
| 21:22.28 | kunal | yes i do have internet connection |
| 21:22.30 | elik | kunal, yes, netinstall is how I go, all the time |
| 21:22.32 | kunal | but i cant run the disks. |
| 21:22.39 | danr_1 | is there anyone on today, who has experience with cryptsetup and gpg encrypted keyfiles? |
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| 21:22.44 | johndoe | kunal: setup the repositories and do aptitude install gnome |
| 21:22.49 | elik | kunal, if you have your sources set up properly.. you can install from internet |
| 21:22.54 | gravity | uses emacs for LaTeX work these days anyway, because AucTeX is so very awesome |
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| 21:23.32 | kunal | johndoe: ok |
| 21:24.03 | kunal | johndoe: its saying media change |
| 21:24.15 | kunal | do i really need to change media? |
| 21:24.29 | kunal | as in load a new disc? |
| 21:24.39 | johndoe | kunal: edit your /etc/sources.list |
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| 21:24.51 | kunal | ok |
| 21:25.05 | johndoe | kunal: * /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:26.22 | kunal | johndoe: i got into the sources. do i remove the CDs? |
| 21:26.29 | johndoe | kunal: yes |
| 21:26.46 | kunal | johndoe: so erase all the cdroms? |
| 21:26.48 | johndoe | kunal: and add something like "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free" |
| 21:26.49 | johndoe | yes |
| 21:27.03 | kunal | johndoe:thanks |
| 21:27.35 | johndoe | kunal: then do "aptitude update" before installing anything with aptitude |
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| 21:28.27 | sailor_moon | :o |
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| 21:31.00 | mischief6 | can someone tell me what repo i can use for a 2.6.27+ kernel? |
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| 21:33.15 | sailor_moon | :o |
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| 21:35.25 | sailor_moon | do you love me? :o |
| 21:35.35 | johndoe | !tell mischief6 about sources |
| 21:36.30 | xand | any ideas on what causes this with a sungem network card? when it happens, the machine stops and goes to the "ok" prompt (and resumes working by typing restart there) (it's a Sun machine) [619742.661690] eth0: RX MAC fifo overflow smac[03810400]. |
| 21:36.37 | xand | running lenny (stable) |
| 21:36.39 | kunal | johndoe: i would like to know something about my system. |
| 21:36.50 | johndoe | ? |
| 21:36.51 | kunal | how do i know if i can connect. i am trying to ping |
| 21:37.05 | kunal | it gives me unkown host. |
| 21:37.10 | johndoe | try to ping your router |
| 21:37.17 | kunal | alrite |
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| 21:37.43 | kunal | yikes. network n reachable |
| 21:37.46 | mischief6 | johndoe, i know about the sources file. i am trying to find a debian repo with a 2.6.27+ kernel. |
| 21:37.48 | kunal | unreachable |
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| 21:37.55 | nayx | kunal: route |
| 21:37.56 | themill | judd kernels |
| 21:37.57 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-2~snapshot.12850); sid: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-1); squeeze: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); lenny: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 21:37.58 | kunal | i think my eht0 |
| 21:38.05 | kunal | eth0 |
| 21:38.11 | johndoe | mischief6: im sorry, but your question was rather cnofusing |
| 21:38.12 | kunal | blank |
| 21:38.21 | kunal | route - i got blank |
| 21:38.35 | kunal | i did configure my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:38.39 | mischief6 | johndoe, my kernel is the default lenny kernel- i need a newer one for some hardware that is supported in 2.6.27. |
| 21:38.40 | nayx | route add default gw <routers ip> |
| 21:38.57 | johndoe | mischief6: get sources from kernel.org and compile your own :O |
| 21:39.05 | kunal | ok |
| 21:39.20 | themill | mischief6: look at judd's last line |
| 21:39.22 | simNIX | kunal, did you ifup or restart network after modifing settings for it ? |
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| 21:39.41 | kunal | simNIX: yes i did. |
| 21:39.56 | simNIX | does ifconfig show your desired settings ? |
| 21:40.03 | johndoe | kunal: do ifconfig eth0 |
| 21:40.10 | johndoe | and check if theres and ip address assigned |
| 21:40.15 | mischief6 | themill, and how can i get the trunk kernel? and how likely is it to work with my current system.. :) |
| 21:40.28 | themill | mischief6: 2.6.28 is in sid. |
| 21:40.28 | mischief6 | er, not trunk, but sid |
| 21:40.34 | kunal | simNIX: ifconfig doesnt show nathing about my dhcp connection |
| 21:40.43 | nicklas_ | hello, when is next debian planned for release? when i look for downloading, i find like 30 cds, 5dvds or netinst.... which one should i choose and whay are there so many, isnt it enough with one? |
| 21:40.45 | mischief6 | themill, how can i get it? i tried setting my sources.list to sid. |
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| 21:41.01 | themill | mischief6: you don't want to do that... |
| 21:41.02 | simNIX | kunal does it show active ? - if not cable could be loose |
| 21:41.26 | mischief6 | themill, then how can i get a newer prepackaged kernel? |
| 21:41.27 | nicklas_ | and if i choose to install stable, can i activate unstable repos to get latest software? |
| 21:41.28 | kunal | ah yikes |
| 21:41.30 | kunal | sorry!!!1 |
| 21:41.42 | kunal | no wonder. |
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| 21:42.00 | nicklas_ | nobody knows? |
| 21:42.49 | hentaixp | what command can you use to look at the loaded video driver? |
| 21:42.54 | simNIX | nicklas_, when put on the spot no |
| 21:43.01 | themill | mischief6: /msg dpkg testing/unstable mix (assuming you are using squeeze atm) |
| 21:43.15 | mischief6 | themill, i am on lenny stable.. :| |
| 21:43.43 | simNIX | what was command to try get dhcp cient on an interface to get fresh data from dhcp ? |
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| 21:44.06 | simNIX | for kunal maybe that comand could be needed but I forgot it since I dont dhcp |
| 21:44.06 | mischief6 | simNIX, pump? |
| 21:44.11 | themill | mischief6: the kernel *probably* can be dropped straight in from sid. It's usually possible. |
| 21:44.11 | johndoe | lol beats me, i configure my net manually because dhcp is confusing |
| 21:44.15 | simNIX | no something renew |
| 21:44.17 | nayx | dhclient <iface> |
| 21:44.17 | simNIX | orso |
| 21:44.21 | simNIX | ok |
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| 21:44.40 | simNIX | kunal, try dhcpclient eth0 |
| 21:44.45 | simNIX | then ifconfig eth0 |
| 21:44.58 | simNIX | to see if it shows/picked up ip setings |
| 21:45.06 | johndoe | isnt it dhclient? |
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| 21:45.15 | kunal | simNIX: already on |
| 21:45.22 | kunal | right now its fetching data from the internet. |
| 21:45.24 | jemark | mischief6: you can use kernelcheck, too... |
| 21:45.26 | kunal | finally managed it :) |
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| 21:45.45 | nicklas_ | but how did you guys install debian? |
| 21:45.48 | kunal | what a reielf. |
| 21:45.52 | johndoe | nicklas_: well lenny made into stable (5.0) just weeks ago. it wont come out for atleast another year |
| 21:45.57 | mischief6 | nicklas_, a cd :) |
| 21:46.02 | jemark | nicklas_: netinstall |
| 21:46.09 | johndoe | nicklas_: you only need the first CD |
| 21:46.17 | johndoe | or even better netinst |
| 21:46.19 | kunal | nicklas: 1st CD then configure ur internet . |
| 21:46.25 | kunal | and download gnome. |
| 21:46.26 | nicklas_ | netinst is best? |
| 21:46.32 | simNIX | I pxe boot netinstall and then autoinstall usng preseed (settings) file |
| 21:46.33 | kunal | if your internet is good. |
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| 21:46.41 | johndoe | or whats that other way, when you install a new system from an already running one? |
| 21:46.42 | mischief6 | nicklas_, why not just use a full CD |
| 21:46.51 | nicklas_ | yeah, ia have 100 mbit connection |
| 21:47.00 | johndoe | LOL |
| 21:47.02 | kunal | seriously nicklas? |
| 21:47.03 | mischief6 | nicklas_, do you live in a datacenter? |
| 21:47.05 | kunal | 100 mbit? |
| 21:47.07 | kunal | wow. |
| 21:47.17 | kunal | thats fast. |
| 21:47.20 | nicklas_ | i live in sweden :-P |
| 21:47.28 | mischief6 | in a datacenter in sweden? |
| 21:47.31 | johndoe | optic cables :> |
| 21:47.31 | simNIX | fastest we can get in 128Mb down and 12Mb up |
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| 21:47.37 | ces200 | hi, how can i add protocol ed2k:// ? |
| 21:47.51 | nicklas_ | here its 100 mbit down and up |
| 21:48.12 | simNIX | in big citys here fibre is an option; 60 euro for 50Mb down +up or (dont know price) 100/100Mb |
| 21:48.18 | nicklas_ | but basically, with netinstall, i get what i want and all is latest right? |
| 21:48.23 | simNIX | right |
| 21:48.33 | kunal | simNIX: my system connected but coudlnt find gnome |
| 21:48.37 | kunal | the package gnome wasnt found |
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| 21:48.42 | kunal | couldnt |
| 21:48.49 | simNIX | try apt-get update |
| 21:48.55 | johndoe | nicklas_: you may want to use testing, since you said you need bleeding edge |
| 21:48.56 | simNIX | the apt-get install gnome-esktop |
| 21:49.03 | simNIX | *gnome-desktop |
| 21:49.03 | nicklas_ | then netinst is the best? |
| 21:49.06 | kunal | ok |
| 21:49.09 | jemark | simNIX: i use aptitude... |
| 21:49.10 | johndoe | yes |
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| 21:49.27 | themill | nicklas_: if you grab the "stable" installer then you'll need to upgrade to testing. Once you've installed, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 21:49.29 | mischief6 | nicklas_, the regular cd can use online updates as well |
| 21:49.29 | nicklas_ | johndoe: i can always activate testing repos in stable install? |
| 21:49.38 | johndoe | i guess, not sure |
| 21:49.38 | simNIX | IMHO it is jemark (if good Inet connection) least load on debian servers best result (most recent) for you |
| 21:49.48 | johndoe | but then your system becomes testing effectively |
| 21:49.49 | hentaixp | anyone tell me whats up with #debian-sparc? |
| 21:49.52 | johndoe | so whats the point |
| 21:49.53 | nicklas_ | but if i donwload the dvd then? |
| 21:49.54 | Samuel-NotAFK | I have an error with all my GTK programs: http://pastebin.com/m1f948776 |
| 21:50.15 | kunal | nope. that doenst exist as well |
| 21:50.24 | simNIX | synaptic you meen jemark ? |
| 21:50.24 | mischief6 | jemark, where can i find kernelcheck? it looks like it might do |
| 21:50.48 | nicklas_ | ok, right now its for me, sabayon or debian |
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| 21:51.09 | jemark | mischief6: i will google for you |
| 21:51.18 | kunal | simNIX: is there really a gnome installation online? |
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| 21:51.31 | kunal | because i cant seem to be able to get it |
| 21:51.33 | mischief6 | jemark, i googled it and tried finding it as a package as well, but i found little |
| 21:51.39 | simNIX | full gnome desktop - yup |
| 21:51.42 | ajavid | kunal bhai |
| 21:51.53 | jemark | mischief6: http://kcheck.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:52.07 | kunal | ajavid bhai! help karo idhar! |
| 21:52.08 | simNIX | kunal, just open a root terminial |
| 21:52.28 | jemark | mischief6: download it here: http://kcheck.sourceforge.net/download.html |
| 21:52.28 | simNIX | and type apt-get update && apt-get install gnome-desktop |
| 21:52.35 | kunal | ok. |
| 21:52.35 | johndoe | jemark: aptitude moo, aptitude -v moo, aptitude -vv moo.... :) |
| 21:53.01 | n3kl_ | Hey |
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| 21:53.06 | kunal | ok connected to server. |
| 21:53.09 | jemark | johndoe: i know that, you can do the same with apt-get... |
| 21:53.13 | kunal | now ti says couldint find package gnome-desktop |
| 21:53.16 | n3kl_ | Anyone know if its possible to reduce the number of disks in an md array? |
| 21:53.19 | kunal | it says |
| 21:53.25 | jemark | johndoe: mooooooooo |
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| 21:53.39 | kunal | maybe my sources folder has some mistakes |
| 21:53.42 | simNIX | kunal, pastebin you /etc/apt/sorces.list |
| 21:53.48 | kunal | yes. i thought so. |
| 21:53.51 | simNIX | *sources.list |
| 21:54.05 | ces200 | hi, how can i add protocol ed2k:// ? i use lenny, gnome desktop |
| 21:54.12 | killabeez_ | I want to change the 'theme' for my desktop, I am running gnome -- what section should i look in on gnome-look.org |
| 21:54.13 | killabeez_ | ? |
| 21:54.22 | themill | simNIX, kunal: There isn't a "gnome-desktop" package. |
| 21:54.34 | kunal | then what is there? |
| 21:54.40 | themill | dpkg: tell kunal about install gnome |
| 21:54.59 | kunal | ok |
| 21:55.00 | kunal | thanks. |
| 21:55.17 | simNIX | themil; its my preseeds installing automaticly .Lenny gnome desktop - odd its not in repositories once installed |
| 21:55.22 | jemark | themill: it is just "gnome" or "gnome-core" for minimal install, like i always do |
| 21:55.43 | simNIX | dpkg: tell simNIX about install gnome |
| 21:56.06 | simNIX | aha |
| 21:56.10 | natsukao | i am mounting GNU/linux Deb-Ian on the desktop |
| 21:56.17 | simNIX | so I get even more if I select gnome |
| 21:56.27 | natsukao | i would to create an user profile |
| 21:56.51 | themill | simNIX: a task is not a package. |
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| 21:56.54 | kunal | even if i do apt-get install gnome i only get a msg saying coudlnt find the package gnome. |
| 21:57.04 | natsukao | a profile with the same privileges of root |
| 21:57.11 | pablo | hi, how can i know which bootloader does debian uses for mips architecture? |
| 21:57.25 | themill | kunal: right... so you do need to pastebin your sources.list then. |
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| 21:57.41 | kunal | ok themill. |
| 21:57.58 | natsukao | anyone can help me ? |
| 21:58.02 | simNIX | themill, I wasnt aware synaptic and such made that distinktion; diferent put; I would asume the task could also be done from synaptic orso |
| 21:58.40 | themill | simNIX: not that I know of. Tasks can be installed using tasksel or using the aptitude command line (and presumably also the UI) |
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| 21:59.25 | themill | simNIX: using aptitude requires that you know a bit more about its search syntax though. /msg dpkg aptitude search |
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| 21:59.57 | themill | simNIX: but as far as I am concerned, tasksel can die a horrible death. I'm not a fan. |
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| 22:00.10 | simNIX | ok tnx for info |
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| 22:00.13 | stuckey | Hi. I've got a buch of files that start with numbers, in different directories, and I want to put a zero before all of those which begin with sigle digits. Does anyone know of a good way to do this? |
| 22:00.18 | simNIX | I just apt-get |
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| 22:00.46 | themill | stuckey: look at the "rename" utility. You need to know some perl though. |
| 22:00.48 | kunal | simNIX: it tells me that i tripped the spam filters :S |
| 22:01.00 | stuckey | themill: I read the man page, but it doesn't help much, as I know no perl. |
| 22:01.01 | themill | kunal: use rafb.net/paste |
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| 22:01.06 | natsukao | can anyone help me ? i would create a profile of user |
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| 22:01.35 | simNIX | natsukao, asking a clear question is half the solution ... |
| 22:01.45 | pablo | hi, how can i know which bootloader does debian uses for mips architecture? |
| 22:01.59 | kunal | http://rafb.net/p/NZW1QT75.html |
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| 22:02.02 | kunal | there. |
| 22:02.07 | asg_ | pablo: check the install guide at www.debian.org or /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:02.21 | themill | pablo: do the release notes or install guide not specify that? |
| 22:02.34 | natsukao | there are two profiles to create: one of root the other: user |
| 22:02.45 | natsukao | how to create a new user ? |
| 22:02.56 | adb | adduser |
| 22:03.13 | natsukao | for example |
| 22:03.14 | kunal | any problem in my sources? |
| 22:03.17 | jemark | kunal: try to type aptitude... it opens a package manager... check how many available (not installed) packages are shown there... mostlikely ur source.list file is not correct |
| 22:03.27 | pablo | themill: i will see |
| 22:03.28 | themill | kunal: you have no main mirror in your sources.list. Try uncommenting line 3 (the .de. mirror) |
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| 22:03.57 | themill | kunal: While you're editing your sources.list, also change "stable" to "lenny". |
| 22:04.01 | simNIX | and after that do |
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| 22:04.05 | simNIX | apt-get update |
| 22:04.11 | themill | dpkg: tell simNIX about why aptitude |
| 22:04.11 | kunal | what do you mean by uncommenting ? |
| 22:04.17 | themill | kunal: delete the # at the start |
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| 22:04.25 | adb | add a # before a line |
| 22:04.29 | kunal | oh ok |
| 22:04.40 | adb | err |
| 22:04.49 | themill | stands adb on his head for a while |
| 22:04.58 | jemark | themill: is changing stable to lenny important? lenny is stable at the moment... |
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| 22:05.14 | simNIX | no lenny is released |
| 22:05.22 | asg_ | jemark: it is important when squeeze releases |
| 22:05.26 | themill | jemark: at the moment... but not in a couple of year's time. It's just a preventative measure. /msg dpkg stable sources.list |
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| 22:06.05 | mischief6 | jemark, it would appear kernelcheck uses python2.4, and i have2.5 :\ very lame. |
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| 22:06.32 | themill | mischief6: you can install python2.4 under lenny too... aptitude install python2.4 |
| 22:06.45 | jemark | themill: squeeze won't be release for a long time... and if you do aptitude update and then aptitude safe-upgrade and then aptitude full-upgrade, nothing can go wrong... |
| 22:06.53 | mischief6 | themill, i did, but kernelcheck was using 2.5, and it segfaulted |
| 22:07.07 | themill | jemark: yeah, right.... you believe that if it makes you happy. |
| 22:07.23 | jemark | themill: squeeze is testing... |
| 22:07.32 | themill | mischief6: you may have to adapt the script to have "#!/usr/bin/python2.4" as the first line |
| 22:07.36 | Samuel-NotAFK | I have an error with all my GTK programs: http://pastebin.com/m1f948776 |
| 22:07.55 | themill | jemark: yes... and if you leave "stable" in your sources.list, you will end up with a broken box when squeeze releases unless you are careful about it. |
| 22:07.56 | kunal | ok. so now apt-get update ? |
| 22:08.00 | themill | kunal: yes |
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| 22:08.20 | ajavid | kunal, aur suna pa ji |
| 22:08.22 | kunal | themill: near ending it failed to fetch some files |
| 22:08.29 | ajavid | what are you doing |
| 22:08.39 | kunal | some index failed to dowlnoad, they habe been ingored or old ones used instead. |
| 22:08.47 | kunal | ajavid- trying to install gnome. |
| 22:08.48 | themill | kunal: can you pastebin the sources.list again and also pastebin the entire output of "aptitude update" |
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| 22:09.08 | jemark | themill: imho it's fine to use "stable" but use it everywhere and don't mix lenny and stable... ;) |
| 22:09.31 | themill | jemark: as I said, you can believe that if you want, but please don't recommend it to other people. |
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| 22:09.58 | mischief6 | themill, bah, still segfaulted. :( |
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| 22:10.22 | themill | mischief6: python stuff shouldn't really segfault... Anyway, why not use kernel-package instead? |
| 22:10.31 | ajavid | kunal, ew |
| 22:10.36 | ajavid | gnome sucky sucky |
| 22:10.50 | johndoe | aptitude's safe-upgrade is retarded. it tries to install a new trunk kernel altho the current one is newer than it :/ |
| 22:10.54 | kunal | http://rafb.net/p/culaST23.html ----> |
| 22:10.59 | kunal | thats how my source looks like |
| 22:11.03 | ajavid | johndoe, its not retarded. |
| 22:11.06 | kunal | ajavid: what do you use? kde? |
| 22:11.07 | mischief6 | themill, i was looking for a prepackaged kernel, or a simple way to get a newer one |
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| 22:11.47 | themill | jemark: upgrades between releases are no longer trivial. Each one tends to get more complicated and not following the upgrade steps is a great way of ending up with a broken box. having "stable" in your sources.list is a great way of having that sort of accident |
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| 22:11.58 | ajavid | I use windows xp |
| 22:12.05 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps how would i write a one liner so that my >> to /var/log/logfile.log allows me to write to the file when i need root priviilages? i am using a sudo atm. dont know what the syntax would be to make the sudo include the >> |
| 22:12.10 | ajavid | hehe nah, I use kde |
| 22:12.31 | mischief6 | bbelt16ag, a shellscript? :) |
| 22:12.42 | bbelt16ag | i dont need a shell script. |
| 22:12.42 | simNIX | bbelt16ag, mybe putting it in '' helps |
| 22:12.44 | ajavid | kunal, i have problems with gtk2 not so much as gnome |
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| 22:12.51 | simNIX | (the full comand line0 |
| 22:12.52 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 22:12.56 | ajavid | kunal, then again, I got beef with gnome and its design too |
| 22:12.58 | themill | bbelt16ag: perhaps you want the "logger" command. Either that or look at the examples in man sudo |
| 22:13.06 | ssx3max | _JusSx_: stop venir tu me HL avec ton pseudo :<* |
| 22:13.09 | ajavid | kunal, kde 3.5.x is by far the best desktop I've EVER used |
| 22:13.18 | kunal | ajavid: kde is too fancy |
| 22:13.22 | mischief6 | ajavid, ever tried lxde? :) |
| 22:13.29 | jemark | themill: cool.. there is nothing wrong with recommending using stable... you can always see what you will update anyways and you would always need to type "y"... ;) |
| 22:13.37 | kunal | http://rafb.net/p/culaST23.html ----> can you guys look and see if my source is ok? |
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| 22:14.01 | ajavid | lxde |
| 22:14.05 | johndoe | kunal: start using your own fin brain. try harder ffs |
| 22:14.05 | ajavid | never heard of it |
| 22:14.06 | kunal | its nearly 4 in the morning here. |
| 22:14.10 | Rudzik | Hello |
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| 22:14.23 | mischief6 | ajavid, you should try it. it is great. |
| 22:14.24 | ajavid | yeh another two hours and im gonna call pakistan |
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| 22:14.31 | ajavid | mischief6, im not even on linux |
| 22:14.38 | ajavid | havn't used linux in over 2 months |
| 22:14.45 | kunal | ajavid: call who? |
| 22:14.46 | mischief6 | regardless, you should try it. |
| 22:14.50 | kunal | ajavid: you havnet used linux? |
| 22:14.53 | ajavid | nope |
| 22:14.54 | jemark | kunal: it is not ok |
| 22:14.56 | bbelt16ag | ok why did that work... |
| 22:15.04 | kunal | jenmark: whats wrong with it? |
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| 22:15.16 | themill | jemark: that's like saying that there's nothing wrong with sticking alias rm="rm -rf /" in your root profile, you just need to remember to use \rm whenever you use it. You're creating a timebomb. Given the average amount of clue exhibited by people on #debian, I don't like the idea of leaving timebombs like that around. |
| 22:15.20 | jemark | kunal: change lenny to stable or stable to lenny... everything needs to be the same... |
| 22:15.36 | kunal | ok |
| 22:15.37 | ajavid | if you have stable, you'll have stable |
| 22:15.39 | themill | kunal: change stable to lenny. Other than that it's OK. |
| 22:15.42 | ajavid | doesn't matter chich release moves into stable |
| 22:15.58 | kunal | all is lenny |
| 22:15.59 | kunal | already |
| 22:16.07 | kunal | themill: its all lenny and still |
| 22:16.11 | ajavid | if you specify name, you'll only always have that specific release, regardless of its its testing or stable or old stable |
| 22:16.22 | ajavid | I suggest using names instead of release states |
| 22:16.23 | themill | kunal: you were going to pastebin the output of "aptitude update" too. |
| 22:16.33 | kunal | ok will do that |
| 22:16.57 | johndoe | i suggest that kunal goes to sleep. considering the progress he made in the last 30 minutes |
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| 22:17.33 | themill | fair call.... and finding a closer mirror could be a pleasant activity for tomorrow, too |
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| 22:17.53 | ajavid | apt-spy |
| 22:18.15 | mischief6 | apt-spy ftw, using it right now :) |
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| 22:20.48 | foetus | ever tried 7z as tar-compressor? kernel unpacking 10 sec..wow. |
| 22:20.59 | johndoe | lool |
| 22:21.03 | killabeez_ | anyone know how to remove urxvt? |
| 22:21.07 | mischief6 | foetus, your processor might have something to do with that :P |
| 22:21.08 | Linuturk | gnome based cd burner in lenny? |
| 22:21.16 | Linuturk | or, what's the best one? |
| 22:21.20 | Linuturk | k3b? |
| 22:21.20 | johndoe | k3b? |
| 22:21.31 | johndoe | haha |
| 22:21.43 | kunal | http://rafb.net/p/JURxNI54.html |
| 22:21.51 | Linuturk | lots of QT dependencies though :( |
| 22:21.54 | kunal | there thats my aptitude update results |
| 22:21.54 | johndoe | yea, id recommend k3b. it served me well |
| 22:22.16 | kunal | johndoe- i know i should sleep |
| 22:22.19 | kunal | i am making very slow progress |
| 22:22.44 | johndoe | well then.. off you go. *shoo* *shoo* |
| 22:22.51 | jemark | kunal: u've made typos |
| 22:22.53 | adb | Linuturk, apt-cache search burner |
| 22:22.53 | kunal | just help me get gnome installed |
| 22:22.57 | kunal | yes i made them |
| 22:23.01 | kunal | will it make a diff? |
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| 22:23.47 | Linuturk | adb: thanks :) |
| 22:23.59 | adb | kunal, apt-get install gnome-core |
| 22:24.02 | kunal | ok |
| 22:24.03 | adb | Linuturk, np |
| 22:24.04 | foetus | mischief6: my processor? test machine: PIII500 :) |
| 22:24.12 | themill | adb: he doesn't have any working mirrors yet |
| 22:24.21 | adb | heh |
| 22:24.30 | kunal | gnome-core has no installation canidate. |
| 22:24.31 | jemark | kunal: fix your sources.list first and do aptitude update... |
| 22:24.35 | mischief6 | foetus, lol, i have a P3 600mhz sitting around :) |
| 22:24.54 | johndoe | kunal: youre a troll. go away |
| 22:25.05 | adb | sure |
| 22:25.19 | johndoe | i mean, one mistake in every single line? |
| 22:25.20 | kunal | johndoe: you think i should leave debian? |
| 22:25.24 | johndoe | hellooooooooo |
| 22:25.39 | nayx | kunal hör auf crack zu rauchen! |
| 22:25.40 | foetus | mischief6: you don't understand. not as packer, as an compressor, you need an shellwrapper.. |
| 22:25.54 | killabeez_ | anyone using urxvt? |
| 22:26.08 | kunal | nayx hör auf crack zu rauchen! means/ |
| 22:26.08 | johndoe | nayx: is that smoke more crak? |
| 22:26.14 | mischief6 | foetus, what do you mean? |
| 22:26.23 | kunal | you people are so rude. |
| 22:26.24 | johndoe | or stop |
| 22:26.24 | nayx | johndoe: nope its stop smoking crack ratehr :) |
| 22:26.26 | foetus | mischief6: you opens the tar.7z, opens the tar-container, and then..oops :) |
| 22:26.27 | nayx | rather* |
| 22:26.28 | johndoe | :) |
| 22:26.29 | stew | nayx: english only in here, please |
| 22:26.37 | nayx | stew: yeah sure im sorry |
| 22:26.43 | stew | nayx: and keep it on-topic |
| 22:26.53 | themill | kunal: it's late where you are.... how about you come back to this when you're feeling awake. |
| 22:26.57 | johndoe | stew: warn kunal for trolling and his incompetence |
| 22:26.58 | jemark | kunal: yes, they are ... pls go ontopic otherwise it's better to do it in off-topic |
| 22:27.02 | stew | johndoe: use /ignore |
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| 22:27.28 | johndoe | stew: but then i would still see peoples responses to him |
| 22:27.39 | stew | johndoe: /ignore -replies kunal |
| 22:28.05 | johndoe | thats something new :) lemme try it out.. |
| 22:28.22 | jemark | kunal: good luck, just examen your lines in sources.list and take a good breath... i am going to sleep now |
| 22:28.44 | adb | so , ? /ignore -replies johndoe |
| 22:29.02 | foetus | mischief6: lzma is absolutely grap to me. i use tar.7z as an new standard.you can never beat its performance. |
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| 22:30.27 | foetus | i have changed my tar.bz2 sources to the new standard. |
| 22:30.31 | jemark | kunal: after u've examened sources.list and you're 100% sure they are right.. like deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free then save it and type aptitude update .. and then aptitude install gnome... |
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| 22:30.59 | DarkUranium | hey, how do I stop x in Debian? |
| 22:31.21 | johndoe | DarkUranium: killall gdm |
| 22:31.25 | johndoe | if youre using gnome |
| 22:31.32 | mischief6 | foetus, you are saying that you now prefer tar.7z over anything else? |
| 22:31.33 | stew | DarkUranium: does debian start with a graphical login for you? or do you login to a text console and "startx"? |
| 22:31.37 | Lord | hi i'm trying to compile lighttpd but when i ./configure it says it needs pcre-devel but I can't find it on apt-get ... |
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| 22:32.03 | themill | Lord: "aptitude build-dep lighttpd" might help you |
| 22:32.04 | Lord | is libpcre3-dev the same thing ? |
| 22:32.08 | DarkUranium | stew: starts graphical |
| 22:32.11 | kunal | jemark: thanks. sorry everyone. call me troll if you like |
| 22:32.17 | lymeca | How do I wipe all marked changed in aptitude |
| 22:32.23 | DarkUranium | johndoe: I'm sure there's a more graceful way of doing that :P |
| 22:32.29 | DarkUranium | stew: lemme try kdm stop |
| 22:32.39 | lymeca | I marked some things that introduced dependency problems, and quitting aptitude and restarting does not help |
| 22:32.39 | johndoe | lol thats what i do every time >.< |
| 22:32.42 | DarkUranium | I'll come back if that doesn't work |
| 22:32.46 | stew | DarkUranium: logout first. then "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" |
| 22:33.15 | Lord | nice themill ;-) |
| 22:33.21 | Lord | thank you |
| 22:33.23 | themill | np |
| 22:33.25 | jemark | kunal: good luck. see ya everyone |
| 22:33.32 | jemark | see ya |
| 22:33.48 | Lord | very good command ! |
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| 22:33.54 | marctw | i want to compile a kernel |
| 22:34.02 | marctw | 2.6.19.2 is too old |
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| 22:34.24 | JPT | download the latest source from kernel.org |
| 22:34.33 | jemark | themill: i advised kunal to use "lenny" ;) see ya. going to sleep now |
| 22:34.47 | Saviq | hi guys, I have to explicitly specify localhost as one of the interfaces services bind to, is that intentional? |
| 22:34.48 | themill | jemark: sleep well :) |
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| 22:34.56 | JPT | make sure, libncurses5-dev, kernel-package and built-essential are installed |
| 22:35.35 | maligor | and use make-kpkg |
| 22:35.59 | maligor | resides in kernel-package |
| 22:36.44 | JPT | maybe you want to use auto-apt in order to get packages that are still missing somewhere :) |
| 22:37.11 | SerajewelKS | what is required to completely daemonize a process? |
| 22:37.12 | faffi | i dont use a login manager so i go straight to the terminal login, what would be a good way to mape startx to actually do "startx ; vlock" |
| 22:37.28 | SerajewelKS | i fork, exit from the parent, setsid(), and close all stdio handles in the child |
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| 22:37.52 | SerajewelKS | but when i exec the daemon from php, somehow php kills it off before the script ends |
| 22:38.33 | Mac101 | does anyone know if its safe & will work to do a "touch /forcefsck" on an encrypted root? |
| 22:38.39 | mischief6 | SerajewelKS, probably script timeout |
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| 22:39.07 | SerajewelKS | mischief6: i have that disabled, and either way that should not affect a forked process, should it? |
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| 22:39.09 | faffi | Mac101: i was under the impression it fscks after you unencrypt |
| 22:39.19 | SerajewelKS | mischief6: the php script executes a daemon that forks |
| 22:39.32 | mischief6 | SerajewelKS, not sure. it would depend on how php kills childs |
| 22:39.40 | Mac101 | ok thx |
| 22:39.51 | SerajewelKS | mischief6: wouldn't setsid() remove the forked child from the process group too? |
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| 22:40.57 | SerajewelKS | i just don't understand what mechanism php could use to kill off the forked child |
| 22:41.10 | SerajewelKS | nor how it could know it even exists |
| 22:41.29 | SerajewelKS | if i run this daemon from a shell and even exit the shell, it still lives |
| 22:41.31 | mischief6 | magic. |
| 22:41.38 | bbelt16ag | hmm i keep getting this wierd error when i try to backup my file via dar over the network. |
| 22:41.45 | foetus | evening - anyone a solution for the absolutely poor performance of zipfs using midnight commander ? |
| 22:41.53 | bbelt16ag | it keeps saying that the database file is not a diectory, |
| 22:42.27 | bbelt16ag | well it appears it thinks it is but when i do a ls -la there is no 'd' in the permissions. |
| 22:42.42 | bbelt16ag | i keep deleting the file and recreating it. same problem... |
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| 22:47.11 | bbelt16ag | hmmm its cause its a network share or something to do with the server. hmmmm |
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| 22:51.00 | rodiguim | hello all, please could anybody let me know how to exit the X |
| 22:51.30 | rodiguim | i have to install a graphic driver and the X has to be off |
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| 22:52.07 | adb | Ctr + Alt + F1/F6 |
| 22:52.27 | rodiguim | I tried already but the X still keeps on |
| 22:52.49 | rodiguim | when you do ps x the x is there a tried to force kill but doesn't work :/ |
| 22:53.08 | adb | after that try /etc/init.d/gdm/kdm stop |
| 22:53.16 | pappanz_ | I thought it was: ctrl+altr+backspace |
| 22:53.22 | pdg | rodiguim: you can kill X with CTRL+ALT+DEL, but it will be restarted whan a display manager is running. |
| 22:53.37 | pdg | upps, s/del/backspace/ |
| 22:54.07 | hentai | is there a xorg conf file and\or where is it located at? |
| 22:54.18 | rodiguim | yes theres xorg |
| 22:54.39 | hentai | yeah is there some configuration file for it rodiguim ? |
| 22:54.48 | rodiguim | yes xorg.conf |
| 22:55.06 | pappanz_ | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:55.29 | adb | rodiguim: uncomment , cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 22:57.33 | rodiguim | will try thank you |
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| 22:57.49 | adb | np |
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| 23:00.02 | magyar | hi, is hosts.deny able to take octal netmasks? |
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| 23:01.00 | stunmore | hey. quick one. anyone got kde4 running on debian? did you compile from source or what? ... kde told me to ask here, btw |
| 23:01.42 | ajavid | debian is the shit |
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| 23:01.59 | ajavid | stunmore, #debian-kde |
| 23:02.02 | themill | dpkg: tell stunmore about kde4 |
| 23:02.13 | stunmore | meh. |
| 23:02.22 | ajavid | themill, yo |
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| 23:03.18 | foetus | back again - i have real problems with the virtual zip fs on midnight commander. how can i remove this brake? slow is a nice word for it.. |
| 23:04.11 | killabeez_ | Is it possible to change the default debian fonts and windows, a new theme? |
| 23:04.25 | hentai | another question, what program is usualy used to change rez\color bite size? |
| 23:05.39 | miksuh | killabeez_: ofcourse it is |
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| 23:05.58 | miksuh | killabeez_: of you use gnome desltop then select from menu |
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| 23:06.13 | miksuh | System->preferences->appearance |
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| 23:07.48 | ajavid | themill, you are still on 3.5? |
| 23:07.51 | ajavid | themill, or 4 now? |
| 23:07.54 | Xires | lvm2 segfaulted & caused kernel oops on my VPS(which I CANNOT reboot) whilst updating to lenny and now I cannot run anything dpkg related..advice, please? |
| 23:08.38 | jpinx | Xires: depends on your host OS |
| 23:08.40 | themill | ajavid: I'm quite happy with 3.5 for the time being. Once all the apps I use are ported, then I'll think about it... Probably not until a few months before squeeze releases though... |
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| 23:09.12 | Xires | jpinx; Linux |
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| 23:09.25 | simNIX | themill, I just looked at aptitude - tnx for pointing me to it I wasnt awaere of it |
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| 23:09.44 | jpinx | Xires: what is the hosting software? xen? vmware? |
| 23:09.51 | Xires | Xen |
| 23:10.17 | jpinx | Xires: and what version linux is it running? |
| 23:10.19 | Xires | jpinx; I don't have access at all to the host OS |
| 23:10.36 | simNIX | how did you then update it ? |
| 23:10.41 | Xires | unknown..but I know it's heavily customized by 3Tera |
| 23:10.45 | jpinx | a lot od VPS suppliers run on old versions of linux for stability |
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| 23:10.54 | Xires | simNIX; ssh myserver.tld |
| 23:11.04 | simNIX | o the vm - aha |
| 23:11.07 | jpinx | and it's dodgy upgrading the guest to a higher version thatn the host |
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| 23:11.39 | Xires | jpinx; Lenny & Sid are both also hosted for other people on the same host |
| 23:11.50 | jpinx | I have Lenny running on xen on a sarge host - it's a bit wobbly |
| 23:11.55 | simNIX | schouldnt a good vm not care / influence what run on top ? |
| 23:12.19 | dondelelcaro | simNIX: the kernel influences it |
| 23:12.40 | killabeez_ | miksuh, what font are you using? |
| 23:12.56 | jpinx | if my host had told me in time - I would not have upgraded |
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| 23:13.11 | simNIX | dondelelcaro, ok with vware and virtualbox ive not noticed that yet |
| 23:13.29 | simNIX | xen ties more in then I asume |
| 23:13.29 | beardy | xen is a bit different |
| 23:13.29 | jpinx | simNIX: Xires welcome to the downside of VPS's |
| 23:13.37 | beardy | nods |
| 23:13.38 | Xires | jpinx; the 'host' is a grid of about 30 systems, maybe 60 GBs of RAM or so and several TBs of HDD space |
| 23:13.46 | Xires | that's almost all the info I know about it |
| 23:14.05 | Xires | I'm still logged in & still able to run commands..I can even run aptitude.. |
| 23:14.15 | jpinx | Xires: the HDD and RAM make no difference if the host is running an old kernel |
| 23:14.21 | Xires | but I run into errors regarding lock accesses & such |
| 23:14.23 | jpinx | which a lot of them do for stability |
| 23:14.23 | Samuel-NotAFK | Xires: But can it run Crysis? |
| 23:14.41 | Xires | Samuel-NotAFK; very likely many times over |
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| 23:14.56 | Samuel-NotAFK | Xires: But can it run Vista? |
| 23:15.02 | Xires | Samuel-NotAFK; no |
| 23:15.08 | jpinx | ignore the troll |
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| 23:15.25 | Samuel-NotAFK | Xires: Not enough RAM? |
| 23:15.41 | Xires | Samuel-NotAFK; invalid intelligence value |
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| 23:16.00 | jpinx | !ops Samuel-NotAFK trolling, been booted of debian-eeepc recently for similar |
| 23:16.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jpinx complains about: Samuel-NotAFK trolling, been booted of debian-eeepc recently for similar |
| 23:16.07 | Xires | jpinx; I just need to be able to kill vgscan & recover the ability to use dpkg |
| 23:16.38 | jpinx | Xires: i understand your pain, but you will probably have to contact you host and find out what they are running |
| 23:17.02 | DarkUranium | hm |
| 23:17.04 | Xires | :-\ |
| 23:17.25 | jpinx | as i said Xires - welcome to the dark side of VPS |
| 23:17.33 | DarkUranium | how do I change the KDE desktop settings so that I can double-click (instead of single-click) for running something? |
| 23:17.34 | Xires | jpinx; I can't just shut dpkg up and let me update? |
| 23:17.50 | Xires | well how would I do it if it was a local system? |
| 23:17.50 | jpinx | Xires: can you use aptitude? |
| 23:17.53 | Xires | yes |
| 23:17.57 | Xires | <Xires> I'm still logged in & still able to run commands..I can even run aptitude.. |
| 23:18.03 | jpinx | try with aptitude then |
| 23:18.11 | Xires | <Xires> but I run into errors regarding lock accesses & such |
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| 23:18.16 | jpinx | sorry - I missed that Xires |
| 23:18.20 | Xires | np |
| 23:18.28 | foetus | i still cannot handle zip files with mc..is there any solution? |
| 23:19.02 | killabeez_ | foetus, what are you trying to do? |
| 23:19.17 | adb | foetus: zip/ unzip are installed? |
| 23:19.29 | killabeez_ | foetus, yea you can't use unzip or zip? |
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| 23:20.57 | foetus | killabeez_: i still wanna open an zip file out of my dvd-ram, opens fast, but then on copy to harddisk it works like gum..files less then 12kb are in progress like a stage.. |
| 23:21.05 | adb | Xires: try > rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 23:22.36 | foetus | killabeez_: i don't wonna write an new program for it :), i use mc for it, and the question is, is this known and is there a solution? |
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| 23:26.26 | foetus | killabeez_: maybe not :) |
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| 23:27.23 | foetus | so i must write a new shellwrapper script or something else.. however. |
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| 23:28.58 | foetus | midnight commander is a real good application to the linux system, but what they did with the virtual zip fs, is unbelievable.. |
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| 23:29.25 | Xires | adb; sadly, didn't work..dpkg process wouldn't quit |
| 23:29.38 | adb | ah .. |
| 23:29.51 | adb | as root ? |
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| 23:30.49 | Xires | adb; during the upgrade process, vgcfgbackup(run via lvm2.postinst) segfaulted..that's what originally caused the issue |
| 23:30.54 | jpinx | Xires: ps -e and kill the relevant process - as root if needed |
| 23:31.05 | adb | well that cmd wouldn't quit dpkg , it remove only "old" apt/aptitude locks |
| 23:31.27 | Xires | "sudo killall -v -9 dpkg" didn't work |
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| 23:31.32 | Xires | process remained |
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| 23:32.45 | jpinx | xires I think you'll need to be more specific - maybe something like ps -e | grep dpkg |
| 23:32.56 | jpinx | maybe as root |
| 23:33.06 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.09 | jpinx | and find it and kill it specifically |
| 23:33.22 | Xires | there was only 1 pid |
| 23:33.30 | Xires | kill -9 `pidof dpkg` |
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| 23:34.11 | jpinx | odd - but you think dpkg is still running? |
| 23:34.21 | Xires | ps awfux shows it |
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| 23:34.33 | jpinx | or just that the lockfile still exists? |
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| 23:37.03 | Xires | jpinx; ps awfux shows dpkg running |
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| 23:45.18 | Mac101 | does anyone know howto mount a virtualbox shared folder in a debian guest? |
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| 23:45.52 | jpinx | Xires: wierder |
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| 23:46.14 | jpinx | Xires: you have to get the ps and kill it specifically |
| 23:46.28 | Andy_IGN | Hi, may i have Q about getstream or dvb streaming in general? |
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| 23:48.11 | Xires | jpinx; fixed it by causing vgscan & vgchange to segfault which released dpkg, letting me kill it, for i in /sbin/vg*; do sudo mv -vi $i $i.bak; sudo ln -vsf /bin/true $i; done and finally(when even that caused problems), rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/lvm2* |
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| 23:49.08 | jpinx | good work ;) |
| 23:49.31 | Andy_IGN | my Q is - is there any software similar to windows mediaportal, that i would be able to watch both on windows and linux machines? |
| 23:49.50 | jpinx | does the system still work ok? |
| 23:49.56 | Andy_IGN | of course i'd like linux (deb) on the server |
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| 23:50.53 | Xires | jpinx; yes, the system still works and dpkg --configure -a is continuing..but I still have a few zombie processes to deal with when it's done |
| 23:51.18 | jpinx | cool Xires - nice bit of footwork there ;) |
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| 23:51.35 | Andy_IGN | i googled for it but without any luck |
| 23:51.55 | Xires | jpinx; I still wish I knew of a better way to do it, though |
| 23:52.59 | jpinx | Andy_IGN: apt-cache search ? |
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| 23:53.39 | jpinx | Xires: I hope you never have to do it again;) |
| 23:53.51 | Xires | jpinx; me too |
| 23:54.00 | Andy_IGN | jpinx: yep, but for what exactly... if i knew the name of the package, i'd already have it. Now i'm running on 2x DVB-T & getstream, but it is quite ... |
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| 23:54.42 | Andy_IGN | lets just say clumsy... |
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| 23:55.56 | natsukao | your distribution is damaged |
| 23:56.10 | Andy_IGN | nearly no EPG (i've had to write my own .py cgi webpage for that), high bandwidth usage (6Mbit / channel) etc |
| 23:56.14 | natsukao | it has got any packages broken |
| 23:56.24 | natsukao | i can't install it |
| 23:56.34 | Xires | jpinx; :-( I forgot that I'd need the /var/lib/dpkg/info/lvm2* to properly purge the package |
| 23:56.41 | jpinx | Andy_IGN: apt-cache search streaming ? |
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