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| 00:01.08 | Akuw | mount 192.168.1.100:/home /media/server |
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| 00:01.39 | Akuw | responjse: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on 192.168.1.100:/home |
| 00:01.53 | MarGarina | -t nfs -o vers=3? |
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| 00:02.22 | brokenmodule | i wanna append .jpg to all files in a directory, can i do that with just one command? |
| 00:02.27 | MarGarina | akuw: Anyway, you have multiple problems then :) |
| 00:02.37 | themill | brokenmodule: take a look at "rename" |
| 00:02.56 | brokenmodule | thanks.. i didn't know about that.. i used to use mv |
| 00:03.06 | MarGarina | brokenmodule: or use a fun shell loop: for i in *; do mv $i $i.jpg; done |
| 00:03.33 | themill | with some quotes around the $i of course |
| 00:04.01 | MarGarina | ah. yeah. quotes. |
| 00:04.24 | adb | hate "quotes" |
| 00:04.34 | MarGarina | 'quotes' suck |
| 00:04.48 | MarGarina | forgot the verb. well. |
| 00:04.52 | themill | !qotd0 |
| 00:04.52 | dpkg | somebody said qotd78 was <BiZARRE> why cant I type my password when I try to login? <Phated> BiZARRE: Your password isn't echoed to the console. <BiZARRE> what? <BiZARRE> well, how do I type in the password? <Seb> BiZARRE: you hit the keys one by one <BiZARRE> nothing happens when I hit the keys <paulswm> UNtil you hit 'enter' <BiZARRE> the only key working is enter <BiZARRE> ok |
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| 00:05.15 | mimiloon | hi everybody, i'm new to linux and i started having problems after i installed drivers to make my wifi card work. i can't run any vm machines in virtualbox and i get this error: p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } |
| 00:05.15 | mimiloon | The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Re-setup the kernel module by executing |
| 00:05.15 | mimiloon | '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' |
| 00:05.15 | mimiloon | as root. Users of Ubuntu or Fedora should install the DKMS package at first. This package keeps track of Linux kernel changes and recompiles the vboxdrv kernel module if necessary. |
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| 00:07.34 | themill | dpkg: tell mimiloon about paste |
| 00:07.55 | mimiloon | #flood |
| 00:07.59 | mimiloon | my bad |
| 00:09.43 | adb | mimiloon: cat /etc/group |grep vboxusers |
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| 00:13.55 | mimiloon | adb: i get this error message in the log after i ran the setup: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. |
| 00:13.59 | MarGarina | jpinx: okay, so why is aptitude better? |
| 00:14.26 | jpinx | Has anyone got experience of voice input/command? I'm looking for a package to allow me voice control. |
| 00:14.30 | mimiloon | adb: I used the command you've given me and still the same |
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| 00:14.49 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 00:14.49 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 00:15.11 | adb | mimiloon: what was the output ? |
| 00:15.24 | MarGarina | apt-get autoremove is a new feature that also handles unneeded deps |
| 00:15.38 | MarGarina | and saying "more advanced resolution" is a bit blurry |
| 00:15.51 | MarGarina | better searching? okay. I'll give it a try |
| 00:15.54 | MarGarina | 10x :) |
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| 00:16.11 | mimiloon | adb: vboxusers:x:117:mimi |
| 00:16.19 | adb | ok |
| 00:16.55 | adb | and , uname -r |
| 00:17.35 | jpinx | voice command/input/control anyone? ^^ |
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| 00:18.05 | adb | google ? |
| 00:18.06 | zinx | jpinx: apt-cache search voice command ? apt-cache search voice control ? |
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| 00:18.25 | klaz168 | jpablo_, irc cmd ? |
| 00:18.50 | zinx | jpinx: there may or may not be any :/ |
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| 00:19.08 | klaz168 | i mean jpinx lol |
| 00:19.18 | jpinx | zinx: yea - done all that |
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| 00:19.35 | zinx | jpinx: looks like sphinx is the only one in Debian |
| 00:19.37 | mimiloon | adb; 2.6.28-1-686 |
| 00:19.47 | zinx | jpinx: and that's not pre-packaged to do precisely what you want |
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| 00:20.09 | jpinx | zinx: yea - looks that way - and not very good write-ups :( |
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| 00:20.27 | zinx | jpinx: sadly, speech recognition is still mostly commercial |
| 00:20.29 | adb | jpinx: telepathy-mission-control - Central control for Telepathy connection managers |
| 00:20.32 | adb | ? |
| 00:20.34 | zinx | jpinx: also, none of it is terribly good ;) |
| 00:20.50 | MarGarina | jpinx: try to search for solutions for Linux blind users, maybe you'll get it from there. |
| 00:20.55 | jpinx | zinx dragon is said to be fairly useable |
| 00:20.58 | jair | can I use the tool like this "tune2fs -j /dev/sdb1" if sdb1 is unmounted and does have an ext2 filesystem on it? |
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| 00:21.17 | MarGarina | Or maybe that's more text-to-speech thing. |
| 00:21.25 | shadowkllr | i can't seem to properly set a static IP address on this computer, i've edited /etc/network/interfaces, and when i set it to static with all the declarations of ip address, gateway, etc, and restart the service, it doesn't change the ip address, but it still connects me to the net, but if i restart the computer totally, it changes the ip address, but does not properly connect me , i'll pastebin my config file in a sec |
| 00:21.37 | shadowkllr | http://pastebin.com/m63d3eb3e is my config file |
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| 00:21.53 | zinx | jpinx: where fairly useable is "it's almost as accurate as a piss-drunk human with earplugs in their ear and a frequency deficiency that only lets them hear tones that are exactly 1000Hz" |
| 00:22.04 | MarGarina | lol |
| 00:22.32 | jpinx | zinx: sounds like a typical user ;) |
| 00:22.45 | adb | shadowkllr: wasn't that discussed last night ? |
| 00:22.50 | MarGarina | shadowkllr: maybe dhclient inteferes? (just a guess, maybe it's the wrong direction) |
| 00:22.54 | themill | MarGarina: "better resolution" isn't a blurry thing at all. The aptitude resolver is far more sophisticated and can also be used interactively to guide it towards the desired resolution. |
| 00:23.17 | pgs | shadowkllr, what do you mean by "does not properly connect me"? |
| 00:23.18 | shadowkllr | adb, it was, but there was still no resolution |
| 00:23.31 | jair | when I run that tool I get an error |
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| 00:24.05 | jpablo_ | klaz168: irc ??? |
| 00:24.11 | jair | tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb3 |
| 00:24.30 | MarGarina | jair: fsck? |
| 00:24.36 | jair | am I missing something obvious here? |
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| 00:24.52 | shadowkllr | pgs, u know the computer network icon on the top right toolbar, kindal ike the task bar? |
| 00:24.56 | jair | MarGarina: nope in reality this is just a regular disks |
| 00:25.03 | adb | shadowkllr: i was telling you to use fixed-address in dhcp |
| 00:25.04 | shadowkllr | the network icon has a big "x" on it |
| 00:25.14 | MarGarina | themill: I like the non-interactive tools, and I wouldn't be surprised if apt-get got better with time also (it's not an abandoned project) |
| 00:25.21 | shadowkllr | adb, i don't follow, what is that? |
| 00:25.22 | jair | MarGarina: I know that there is not problem with the disk or sectors or blocks |
| 00:25.29 | MarGarina | themill: But, I've hardly used aptitude so I can't really argue. |
| 00:25.36 | jpinx | stops shouting at his computer |
| 00:25.52 | jair | MarGarina: and the partition is not mounted |
| 00:26.15 | Akuw | the same problem |
| 00:26.17 | MarGarina | jair: no idea then |
| 00:26.17 | themill | MarGarina: trying to recover from broken deps is much much easier with the interactive resolver. BTW the interactive resolver is not the same as the curses user interface -- the interactive resolver is usable from the command line too. |
| 00:26.20 | Akuw | and i read all help |
| 00:26.20 | shadowkllr | i can't touch the router or it's settings, it's not mine, |
| 00:26.53 | MarGarina | akuw: you tried the "-t nfs -o vers=3" that I wrote before? |
| 00:27.00 | shadowkllr | i had it working when i was running kubuntu, but debian is not letting me setup like i had it before |
| 00:27.13 | MarGarina | akuw: and, "exportfs" now shows some details at the server? |
| 00:27.14 | themill | shadowkllr: the network manager icon will have an X in it because you have chosen not to use network manager and have instead configured your network using /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 00:27.18 | Akuw | where i have to use that? |
| 00:27.42 | MarGarina | akuw: In the mount command, wherever. |
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| 00:28.01 | pgs | shadowkllr, can you ping your gateway ok from a command line? how about 206.204.18.22? |
| 00:28.01 | shadowkllr | themill, it works after I comment out all the lines and change static to dhcp, so that's not entirely true |
| 00:28.20 | shadowkllr | pgs, i'm on the computer we are speaking of right now, it's not the router, i can assure you that |
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| 00:29.00 | Akuw | ok, is the same |
| 00:29.07 | themill | shadowkllr: no, that's entirely true... if you comment all the lines out then you're no longer configuring a static IP in /etc/network/interfaces and so network manager will touch the interface. Check the documentation in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ |
| 00:29.25 | jair | tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb3 <= this is the error I am getting. But I appreciate your second response since you are not sure of how to use the command "tune2fs" :D thank you |
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| 00:29.51 | pgs | shadowkllr, yeah, I'm thinking it might be dns resolving might not be working when you're no longer getting dns server adddresses via dhcp |
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| 00:30.11 | MarGarina | akuw: you have nfs-common pkg installed? /etc/init.d/nfs-common status? |
| 00:30.22 | MarGarina | akuw: on client and server |
| 00:30.24 | jair | think that admitting the you don't have experience or that you have never use it, or just dont say anything is better than tell someone to do something that make crate damage or make the status worst on a linux newbie :-) |
| 00:30.29 | mimiloon | can anybody help me please? i started having problems with VirtualBox after installed the drivers for my wifi card following the the instructions from this website http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k and it got my wifi card working but i can't run my virtualbox properly after i restarted the computer |
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| 00:30.46 | Akuw | yep |
| 00:31.01 | mimiloon | i'm currently using lenny |
| 00:31.22 | MarGarina | akuw: try to mount it from the server (locally) |
| 00:31.30 | shadowkllr | i don't understand tho, it worked flawlessly in kubuntu using their gui,...and never had a single issue, didn't have to touch the router, and now that i'm using debian it's like i looked at linux wrong or gave it a dirty look... |
| 00:32.08 | Akuw | man |
| 00:32.36 | Akuw | in one computer missing nfs-common |
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| 00:32.41 | Akuw | in server it was |
| 00:32.47 | Akuw | but no in slave |
| 00:32.54 | adb | shadowkllr: have restart the router since installed debian ? |
| 00:33.00 | MarGarina | not slave, but client :) |
| 00:33.03 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.06 | MarGarina | okay, good. |
| 00:33.12 | Akuw | thanks man |
| 00:33.24 | MarGarina | no worries ;) |
| 00:33.33 | Akuw | where are you from? |
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| 00:33.35 | shadowkllr | not to my knowledge no |
| 00:33.45 | adb | so do it |
| 00:33.55 | MarGarina | Akuw: Israel, in the far desert |
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| 00:35.16 | shadowkllr | all i want to have is this computer have a static ip address on the router, i don't understand why it's that difficult...everything gets assigned 10.0.1.xxx, we have about 10 computers in the house, i want this one to be .149 as not to ever conflict with other computers on our network... |
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| 00:35.27 | adb | it may keep some infos from old system om that machine, i assumed you reinstalled debian on old ubuntu or so |
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| 00:35.51 | shadowkllr | no |
| 00:35.54 | shadowkllr | i formatted everything |
| 00:36.09 | shadowkllr | started fresh |
| 00:36.29 | shadowkllr | that is after backing up my sql databases and such to my external |
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| 00:36.59 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.15 | Akuw | MarGarina: i would like to use gpg to my mails in evolution |
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| 00:37.19 | Akuw | how can i do that? |
| 00:37.40 | MarGarina | shadowkllr: Ah, the problem is the dhcp remembering your old address? |
| 00:37.59 | shadowkllr | ....should i try something else, like 152 or something? |
| 00:38.03 | pgs | shadowkllr, does /etc/resolv.conf contain the same info when it's working and not working? |
| 00:38.08 | shadowkllr | yes |
| 00:38.15 | shadowkllr | i haven't touched resolv.conf |
| 00:38.16 | MarGarina | shadowkllr: Oh, that's probably because of dhclient |
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| 00:38.27 | MarGarina | shadowkllr: it keeps your old files. |
| 00:38.33 | shadowkllr | the router? |
| 00:38.34 | MarGarina | shadowkllr: /var/lib/dhclient or something |
| 00:38.47 | shadowkllr | what are you talking about mar? |
| 00:39.09 | MarGarina | shadowkllr: It's dual. Both *client* keeps your last dhcp info and both the server (router, in your case) can keep your old info |
| 00:39.27 | shadowkllr | yeah, but i propose to you this |
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| 00:39.36 | shadowkllr | if i turn off this computer, then turn on my laptop instead |
| 00:39.40 | shadowkllr | and then turn on this computer |
| 00:39.44 | shadowkllr | they get assigned diff ips |
| 00:39.49 | adb | no , restart the router |
| 00:40.19 | themill | that's a pretty braindead router |
| 00:40.28 | MarGarina | hehe |
| 00:40.34 | shadowkllr | i don't have access to it |
| 00:40.43 | MarGarina | shadowkllr: okay, my point might be irrelevant if that's the case |
| 00:40.46 | Akuw | to export a folder but with a recursive permission i have to use ??? |
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| 00:41.24 | MarGarina | akuw: about the gpg question, no idea. |
| 00:41.27 | shadowkllr | i'm thinking i may just have something mixed up |
| 00:41.34 | shadowkllr | with the network/gateway entries |
| 00:43.30 | shadowkllr | gateway is the actual router's address, correct? and network is.....what the hell is network even then? |
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| 00:44.57 | mimiloon | can anybody help me please? i'm unable to start virtualbox after i installed drivers for my wifi card following the instructions from this link: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 00:46.26 | adb | mimiloon: anyways all that is a non sense for me |
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| 00:48.03 | nayx | mimiloon: you switched to 2.6.28 so you need the matching kernel headers in place and /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup to rebuild the vbox modules |
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| 00:49.12 | shadowkllr | hmm |
| 00:49.16 | shadowkllr | anyone there? |
| 00:49.21 | path_ | is it possible to know when was installed some package ? |
| 00:49.28 | mimiloon | nayx: i'm not sure have can do the first part |
| 00:49.35 | shadowkllr | .....really |
| 00:49.37 | shadowkllr | wtf |
| 00:49.42 | shadowkllr | it's working now |
| 00:49.50 | shadowkllr | right as i start buring the kubuntu cd |
| 00:49.51 | nayx | path_: depends on the package manager, see /var/log/aptitude /var/log/apt/ |
| 00:49.52 | shadowkllr | !!!! |
| 00:49.53 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 00:50.02 | shadowkllr | so it was working this entire time...dammnit |
| 00:50.15 | path_ | thx nayx forgot the /var/log |
| 00:50.25 | shadowkllr | i was thrown off by the x on the networking on the taskbar |
| 00:50.29 | shadowkllr | !!! |
| 00:50.29 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 00:52.05 | adb | troll |
| 00:52.16 | digitaloktay | !ping |
| 00:52.16 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:52.53 | nayx | mimiloon: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` linux-kbuild-`uname -r` |
| 00:53.19 | mimiloon | nayx: i'm new to linux and i don't know how to change the kernel headers |
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| 00:53.34 | shadowkllr_ | thar we go!~ |
| 00:53.43 | shadowkllr_ | .149 is now mine~ |
| 00:53.53 | mimiloon | nayx: thanks, i'll give it a try |
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| 00:59.29 | thp | i can't get my canon digital camera to mount properly, it says could not claim usb device |
| 00:59.33 | mimiloon | nayx: it gives me an error message after i ran that command: E: Couldn't find package linux-kbuild-2.6.28-1-686 |
| 00:59.51 | thp | when I google I find a lot on editing an /etc/udev/rules.d/45-libgphoto2.rules file that doesn't exist for me, but I have apt-get installed gphoto2 |
| 00:59.55 | nayx | mimiloon: use apt-cache search linux-kbuild |
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| 01:01.30 | mimiloon | nayx: i got this message after that command: linux-kbuild-2.6.26 - Kbuild infrastructure for Linux 2.6.26 |
| 01:01.55 | nayx | thp: /etc/udev/rules.d/025_libgphoto2.rules maybe? |
| 01:02.26 | nayx | mimiloon: thats the wrong one |
| 01:02.30 | nayx | you need 2.6.28! |
| 01:02.58 | adb | linux-kbuild-2.6.28-1-686 its not yet released |
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| 01:03.12 | mimiloon | nayx: how can i reinstall the old one back |
| 01:04.00 | thp | nayx: there are no files with the word photo in them in that directory |
| 01:04.20 | thp | i have libgphoto2-2 installed, and the dev package |
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| 01:05.56 | nayx | mimiloon: you installed a new kernel to make use of your atheros wifi card and vbox has stopped for you. you lack of kbuild currently and cant get the vboxdrv compiled atm. your new to linux and should stop at this point! why dont you boot 2.6.26 (which you hopefully kept installed) to use vbox and 2.6.28 to use your wifi until the kbuild will be available. another option would be to get the complete kernel sources for 2.6.28 form kernel.org and complile you |
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| 01:07.07 | brian17 | hello, when debian loads up the music is very skippy. The same deal when I play youtube videos. I am using debian 64 bit. Any suggestions? |
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| 01:07.39 | nayx | thp: do you also have libgphoto2-port0? |
| 01:08.02 | thp | yes |
| 01:08.04 | nayx | the udev rules file tells me "Created from this library: libgphoto2_port 0.8.0 gcc, ltdl, USB, serial without locking" |
| 01:08.08 | thp | i got it to work with gtkam gui |
| 01:08.15 | thp | konqueror failboats hard, but gtkam did it right |
| 01:09.41 | brian17 | how do i change my sound settings to 16 bit? |
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| 01:10.12 | mimiloon | nayx: thanks for your help, i'm planning on reinstalling the debian OS and don't worry about the wifi driver for now |
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| 01:10.55 | nayx | mimiloon: theres no need to reinstall the whole OS |
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| 01:11.28 | salah_ | Hi. I have a USB HSDPA modem and it works just fine, but network manager don't recognize it and then Firefox gives me "Offline Mode" error. Any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 01:12.35 | mimiloon | nayx: ok, i'll try the second option and download the kernel |
| 01:12.41 | brian17 | how do i change my sound to be 16 bit? |
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| 01:20.04 | arriesp | hi |
| 01:21.07 | mimiloon | nayx: how can i make my VirtualBox work with the kernel that caused the problem |
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| 01:22.27 | krfkeith | I need a little help |
| 01:22.43 | krfkeith | I need to set up wifi, but all I have is the command line |
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| 01:23.09 | nayx | mimiloon: dont get it? |
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| 01:24.21 | _genuser_ | Hello People. |
| 01:25.45 | _genuser_ | I would like to install debian to maintain Raid1 disks. OS will not be on the Raid. Just separate data disks. Is that doable and is debian a suitable distro for that purpose. |
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| 01:26.32 | _genuser_ | I don't mind reading docs on how to install or configure the system. I thought to ask before starting.... |
| 01:27.04 | pl4yer0ne | _genuser_, yes that would work ok |
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| 01:27.32 | benley | _genuser_: that's no problem at all. |
| 01:27.59 | mimiloon | nayx: i've changed my mind of downloading the latest kernel from the website because i'm new; i want to use the 2.6.26 but when i try to run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup, i get this error: /msg dpkg paste |
| 01:28.22 | mimiloon | *Makefile:143: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop. |
| 01:28.39 | benley | heh |
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| 01:29.14 | nayx | mimiloon: did virtualbox work at all before you installed the new kernel? |
| 01:29.46 | mimiloon | nayx: yes |
| 01:29.53 | abrotman | mimiloon: there are vbox packages in debian laready |
| 01:30.17 | _genuser_ | So that's good to hear. and I can do simple ext3 raid. Reinstalling the OS on a new machine and plugging in old raid1 drives should be pretty seamless, right? |
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| 01:30.43 | mimiloon | i've downloaded the non-free version of virtualbox because of the usb support |
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| 01:30.55 | nayx | mimiloon: so you dont need to run the setup allover again. all you have to do is to boot the 2.6.26 kernel |
| 01:31.28 | coniptor | Anyone familiar with any other programs like fail2ban or portsentry? |
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| 01:32.25 | mimiloon | nayx: but i don't know how to boot the kernel, i'm using the machine with the problem to type this message |
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| 01:33.16 | mimiloon | nayx: how can i do that? |
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| 01:33.23 | mimiloon | *booting it |
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| 01:33.59 | _genuser_ | pl4yer0ne, benley: thanks. I suppose reading the docs is the next thing to be done. :) |
| 01:34.01 | nayx | mimiloon: select it in your bootloader lmfao! i finally have enough of Youri |
| 01:34.13 | nayx | you* |
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| 01:35.24 | mimiloon | nayx: sorry about that :(, i'm new |
| 01:35.28 | shadowkllr | when i installed debian, i checked the icon for webserver.....but i'm not sure that mysql was installed, how do i check for this in lenny? |
| 01:36.50 | nayx | shadowkllr: dpkg -l|grep mysql |
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| 01:38.45 | h3xis | i just updated to mpd .14.1 and restarted. it says it's unable to bind to port 6600 because it's in use and it isn't. is anyone else having this problem? |
| 01:40.06 | nayx | h3xis: did you check netstat -tupnl if theres something listening on 6600 ? |
| 01:40.19 | h3xis | nayx, i did |
| 01:41.52 | nayx | h3xis: and what did you see :) something there? or not? |
| 01:42.05 | h3xis | nayx, nothing listed for 6600 |
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| 01:42.52 | nayx | h3xis: runnning 14.2 here and its all fine |
| 01:43.31 | h3xis | nayx, i switched over to sid and upgraded to 14.2 and the post install script gave me the same error |
| 01:44.28 | nayx | h3xis: anything for ps aux|grep mpd |
| 01:44.47 | h3xis | nayx, nope |
| 01:44.58 | nayx | thats strange |
| 01:45.13 | nayx | and lsof -i |
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| 01:45.44 | h3xis | nayx, nope |
| 01:46.06 | nayx | well yeah you might try to reboot then |
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| 01:48.36 | h3xis | nayx, it says there's an error on line 39. i checked that and it's the "bind_to_address" line, which i have for localhost |
| 01:48.37 | shadowkllr | that's it, debian is going bye bye.... |
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| 02:10.14 | R_Dragon | anyone else having problems updating their system? |
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| 02:11.48 | R_Dragon | http://pastebin.com/mb918b0c |
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| 02:12.51 | pgs | Dragon, have you run out of disk space? |
| 02:13.19 | R_Dragon | 160G left |
| 02:13.33 | R_Dragon | wait... |
| 02:13.40 | abrotman | R_Dragon: /tmp/ full ? |
| 02:14.14 | R_Dragon | looks like /root is full |
| 02:14.23 | abrotman | that'll do it |
| 02:14.38 | R_Dragon | home is in a different partition |
| 02:15.17 | R_Dragon | crap... does this mean I'll have to repartition my harddrive |
| 02:15.30 | abrotman | or clean some stuff out of / |
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| 02:16.30 | gewt | can you run an application with a time other than system time? |
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| 02:20.23 | Zyferus | epoch time? |
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| 02:22.20 | pgs | gewt, set the TZ environment variable to the timezone you want |
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| 02:29.13 | gewt | i have an ircd i'm tyrign to link to a network, but the other servers host has a clock that's ahead by a day |
| 02:29.22 | gewt | or a few hurs anyway |
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| 02:31.16 | pgs | gewt, you'd think they'd all be using GMT |
| 02:32.05 | gewt | the clock is plain off. |
| 02:32.56 | gewt | gmt+0 GMT-) or GMT0? |
| 02:33.15 | pgs | what do you get from 'date -u'? should be something like Mon Mar 23 02:32:44 UTC 2009 |
| 02:33.32 | gewt | [gewt@zc00gii-SV inspircd]$ date -u |
| 02:33.33 | gewt | Mon Mar 23 13:00:29 UTC 2009 |
| 02:33.45 | gewt | b4@sapphire:~/inspircd-dev$ date -u |
| 02:33.45 | gewt | Mon Mar 23 02:33:38 UTC 2009 |
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| 02:34.20 | pgs | that first one is way off |
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| 02:35.19 | gewt | what timezone is 11 hours behind? |
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| 02:35.45 | SvenDowideit_ | mmm, +10 is sydney, so the opposite side of the world? |
| 02:36.19 | gewt | YEAH |
| 02:36.33 | SvenDowideit_ | grin |
| 02:36.42 | gewt | but it has to be set behind 11 hours from normal utc |
| 02:36.48 | gewt | as that clock is 11 hours ahead. |
| 02:37.43 | coniptor | Is there a apt repository with pre-compiled packages for gcc compiled for cross-compiling? |
| 02:37.55 | SvenDowideit_ | did you look at apt-get .org? |
| 02:38.04 | abrotman | those packages are NOT for debian |
| 02:38.04 | SvenDowideit_ | http://apt-get.org |
| 02:38.06 | gewt | Apia, Upolu, Samoa: UTC-11; 01:00 |
| 02:38.13 | abrotman | i'm not sure why people think ubuntu packages will work on debian |
| 02:38.23 | gewt | what country is that in? |
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| 02:38.31 | abrotman | gewt: samoa ... |
| 02:38.31 | pgs | Samoa |
| 02:38.34 | SvenDowideit_ | apt-get.org last i looked predated ubuntu by many many years |
| 02:38.53 | abrotman | oh wait .. sorry .. wrong site |
| 02:38.53 | gewt | oh |
| 02:38.54 | abrotman | ignore me! |
| 02:39.05 | SvenDowideit_ | abrotman, aw :) |
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| 02:39.09 | phix | hey |
| 02:39.12 | abrotman | i was thinking of the getdeb or wahtever it us |
| 02:39.13 | abrotman | is |
| 02:39.24 | coniptor | I need to recompile my kernel to include grsecurity. The only kernel I can use in lenny is the amd64 kernel. As I understand it I need a cross-compiling compiler to do this correct? |
| 02:39.38 | jpinx | cuts and frames that statement from abrotman |
| 02:39.44 | phix | anything special I need to do to copy cyrus / libdb files from a 32bit lenny version to a 64bi? |
| 02:39.47 | phix | bit |
| 02:39.57 | SvenDowideit_ | i recon my q is harder :) - can anyone point me at a sub-distro / cfg that would get me a modern debian server with apache and perl in sub 100Meg disk space? |
| 02:40.25 | phix | SvenDowideit_: mine is easier :) so it should be answered before yours :P |
| 02:40.27 | abrotman | given that a debian packaged kernel is like 30MB ? |
| 02:40.41 | gewt | the applicaion ignores the timezone setting |
| 02:41.09 | SvenDowideit_ | abrotman, y, dpressing |
| 02:41.12 | phix | SvenDowideit_: any CPU contraints as well? you could run it on a compressed filesystem |
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| 02:41.22 | phix | SvenDowideit_: or RAM? |
| 02:41.23 | SvenDowideit_ | mmm, cpu, i guess not |
| 02:41.35 | SvenDowideit_ | its more to make the vm download small |
| 02:41.40 | abrotman | SvenDowideit_: why only 100MB ? |
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| 02:41.48 | SvenDowideit_ | so 100M decompressed was a simple number |
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| 02:42.01 | SvenDowideit_ | i used to run linux dev box on a 486 with 100M disk :) |
| 02:42.05 | phix | SvenDowideit_: hmmmm |
| 02:42.05 | gewt | is TZ="/usr/share/zoneinfo/Pacific/Samoa" ./inspircd start |
| 02:42.08 | abrotman | so why did you use a number ? |
| 02:42.13 | abrotman | what are you actually trying to do ? |
| 02:42.15 | gewt | the proper way to start inspircd with that timezone? |
| 02:42.23 | phix | SvenDowideit_: I used to use a computer with 640Kb of RAM ought to be enough :) |
| 02:42.29 | SvenDowideit_ | hehe |
| 02:42.34 | phix | with = when |
| 02:42.34 | SvenDowideit_ | mine had 4Meg ram |
| 02:42.36 | SvenDowideit_ | in 1996 |
| 02:42.44 | phix | SvenDowideit_: :) |
| 02:42.48 | SvenDowideit_ | 100meg disk, 4meg ram, 486slc25 |
| 02:42.50 | phix | oh back in the day |
| 02:42.51 | SvenDowideit_ | nice thinkpad |
| 02:42.51 | pgs | gewt, TZ='Pacific/Samoa' ./inspircd start |
| 02:42.55 | abrotman | SvenDowideit_: what are you actually trying to do ? |
| 02:43.05 | SvenDowideit_ | and i'm thinking thats about all i really need for theis mini project too |
| 02:43.17 | SvenDowideit_ | make a small low req's demo vm |
| 02:43.33 | SvenDowideit_ | and guess who as a pile of 128M usb sticks lying around :) |
| 02:43.34 | phix | look into DSL perhaps? |
| 02:43.35 | abrotman | you could probably easily get it in about 300MB |
| 02:43.44 | SvenDowideit_ | y, 300 we have |
| 02:43.46 | phix | Damn Small Linux |
| 02:43.58 | SvenDowideit_ | i tried DSL, but the Perl is crippled |
| 02:43.58 | gewt | it ignored the timezone. |
| 02:44.14 | SvenDowideit_ | for rather good space related reasons :) |
| 02:44.24 | phix | SvenDowideit_: I see, you can't uninstall it and compile perl from source or something? |
| 02:45.10 | pgs | gewt, then you either need to set your own system clock to match theirs, or consider running it in a virtual machine with the clock matching theirs |
| 02:45.44 | pgs | gewt, or get them to fix their clocks |
| 02:45.47 | SvenDowideit_ | phix probly :) |
| 02:45.55 | SvenDowideit_ | and it might be the thing i go back to |
| 02:46.16 | SvenDowideit_ | though i emailed the guy that does it and didn't receive a reply, os i wonder |
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| 02:49.25 | revertTS | is there an easy way to list out all the packages that are set as manually installed? |
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| 02:50.15 | abrotman | revertTS: aptitude search "~m" .. maybe .. check the aptitude docs for the shortcuts |
| 02:50.21 | abrotman | maybe it's ~M |
| 02:51.44 | coniptor | abrotman: I need to compile my own kernel and would like to use make-kpkg to do it But I have a Intel EM64T system. Do I need a cross-compiler to do this and if so is there a "Debian" repository with one pre-compiled I can use? |
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| 02:55.15 | revertTS | abrotman: thanks, that worked |
| 02:55.22 | revertTS | is there any similar functionality in apt-cache? |
| 02:55.29 | nxmehta | can someone tell me what hash function is used to encrypt the /etc/passwd file when shadowing is enabled? |
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| 02:59.04 | theacolyte | Quick question, what user does lighttpd run under by default after an apt install? |
| 03:00.11 | theacolyte | or, is there a way to tell? sort of a neophyte here |
| 03:00.14 | abrotman | check the init script, perhaps |
| 03:00.22 | abrotman | or start it .. and check with ps aux ? |
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| 03:01.03 | theacolyte | I would, but it won't start |
| 03:01.14 | theacolyte | Permission denied /var/log/lighttpd/domain.com/access.log |
| 03:01.27 | theacolyte | I suppose I could set the directory to 777 |
| 03:01.33 | theacolyte | but that seems extreme |
| 03:02.22 | theacolyte | ahhh |
| 03:02.24 | theacolyte | nm, I figured it out |
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| 03:10.05 | Strogg | Hrmmm... I've built an apt repo and added it to my sources.list.. when I do an apt-policy, I see the version in my repo, and the version in the real one.. but when I try to install it, it says I alreayd have the newest version (the original one) |
| 03:10.10 | Strogg | anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 03:10.50 | pl4yer0ne | maybe you need to do apt-get -t <your repo> <file> |
| 03:11.02 | pl4yer0ne | depending on how you have set it up |
| 03:11.41 | Strogg | ohh hrmmm I had setup apt-pinning a while ago.. hrmmm I forgot about that |
| 03:12.34 | Strogg | pl4yer0ne: yeah.. you're right.. I forgot all about that |
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| 03:12.47 | H4ck3r | How to change my shadow file encryption mode to MD5 |
| 03:12.58 | H4ck3r | ? |
| 03:13.05 | H4ck3r | Does anyone have idea on this :) |
| 03:13.23 | pl4yer0ne | no worries Strogg |
| 03:13.40 | Strogg | now I just gonna figure out what my repo name is.. I don't remmeber picking one. hehe |
| 03:14.37 | Strogg | ahhh.. it's the dist name |
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| 03:20.45 | Strogg | Hah! got it. :) |
| 03:20.49 | Strogg | pl4yer0ne: thanks again |
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| 03:22.11 | FSWolf | hi quick stupid question |
| 03:22.18 | FSWolf | how do i remove a file by command line agian |
| 03:22.19 | FSWolf | XD |
| 03:22.28 | pl4yer0ne | No hassle Strogg |
| 03:23.10 | pl4yer0ne | FSWolf, apt-get remove <package> |
| 03:23.15 | FSWolf | not a file sorry |
| 03:23.23 | FSWolf | a folder |
| 03:23.27 | pl4yer0ne | oh woops |
| 03:23.28 | FSWolf | rm is for files |
| 03:23.34 | pl4yer0ne | rm -rf <folder> |
| 03:23.37 | FSWolf | apt-get is for packages a |
| 03:23.39 | FSWolf | ah thanks |
| 03:23.40 | FSWolf | :))) |
| 03:23.42 | simonrvn | !folder |
| 03:23.42 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 03:24.17 | pgs | H4ck3r, I'd try dpkg-reconfigure passwd |
| 03:24.36 | H4ck3r | dpkg-reconfigure passwd |
| 03:24.41 | H4ck3r | :) |
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| 03:24.48 | H4ck3r | change to md5 |
| 03:24.50 | H4ck3r | ? |
| 03:24.53 | H4ck3r | instead of SHA2 |
| 03:24.55 | H4ck3r | ? |
| 03:25.04 | H4ck3r | can I do that |
| 03:25.35 | epsilon | md5 is broken |
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| 03:26.02 | dondelelcaro | for certain values of broken |
| 03:26.15 | dondelelcaro | so far the one way property of it hasn't been |
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| 03:30.54 | mydrmeix | I installed xserver-xorg-core like I did in etch back then but I dont have startx command? |
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| 03:31.18 | simonrvn | because it's not in there, install xorg. |
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| 03:32.18 | mydrmeix | ah they are seperated a bit since last release |
| 03:32.47 | mydrmeix | dont mean to be a noob after running linux for 10 years |
| 03:34.09 | adb | apt-file search startx |
| 03:34.19 | mydrmeix | ive left redhat for sure because fedora's RHGB crashes on everything I own.. and I just discovered xorg-dev to compile X programs |
| 03:34.40 | pl4yer0ne | adb, thats only going to work if its already installed. |
| 03:35.23 | simonrvn | pl4yer0ne: er, no, it will work regardless. |
| 03:35.31 | adb | !tell mydrmeix about search |
| 03:35.57 | adb | apt-file must be installed first |
| 03:36.20 | pl4yer0ne | hmmm ok i thought it only listed files that were installed in the current set. my bad. |
| 03:36.31 | mydrmeix | ive been suggested that a few times already I better write it down |
| 03:36.58 | simonrvn | pl4yer0ne: dpkg -S / dlocate work like you said. |
| 03:38.52 | pl4yer0ne | yeah cool. i guess i just never needed to search that way before. |
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| 03:43.22 | maxagaz | I have a Dell computer, when i reboot, the system hangs up with the message "Restarting system.", what can i do ? |
| 03:43.49 | pl4yer0ne | dont reboot? |
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| 03:47.13 | mydrmeix | sorry |
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| 03:49.12 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 03:49.50 | man_in_shack | is there a list of valid variables for the Version: field in control files somewhere? |
| 03:50.10 | man_in_shack | s/Version/Depends/g |
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| 03:50.33 | simonrvn | valid package names |
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| 03:51.25 | man_in_shack | well, i found it. man deb-substvars |
| 03:51.38 | simonrvn | that works ;) |
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| 03:53.47 | needkernel | Is it safe to install Sid's 2.6.28 kernel in Lenny or should I upgrade to Squeeze first? |
| 03:58.13 | pl4yer0ne | needkernel, neither of those are "safe" |
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| 03:58.18 | amikrop | Hello. How long will it take to compress 9GB of .avi files? |
| 03:58.47 | man_in_shack | ok, who stole my crystal ball? i need to gaze into it then throw it at amikrop |
| 03:59.44 | simonrvn | amikrop: a long time, n ow get going. |
| 03:59.57 | Gun_Smoke | amikrop, it's compressed.. |
| 04:00.05 | amikrop | Gun_Smoke: ok |
| 04:00.08 | needkernel | pl4yer0ne: true, true. Any idea with which version Sid's kernel is most compatible? |
| 04:00.11 | simonrvn | exactly why it's futile. |
| 04:00.21 | man_in_shack | tell you what, why not compress your time? |
| 04:00.31 | amikrop | simonrvn: being a little polite wouldn't hur |
| 04:00.31 | amikrop | t |
| 04:00.34 | man_in_shack | lzma /dev/rtc, something like that :) |
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| 04:01.00 | simonrvn | amikrop: what is what i said was "impolite"? |
| 04:01.04 | amikrop | man_in_shack: does politeness cost? |
| 04:01.05 | Gun_Smoke | amikrop, same with most media type files.. ie mp3... no need.. |
| 04:01.08 | simonrvn | s/is/in/ |
| 04:01.12 | amikrop | Gun_Smoke: ok |
| 04:01.18 | man_in_shack | amikrop, it costs the price of a crystal ball |
| 04:01.21 | pl4yer0ne | needkernel, its going to be more compatible with squeeze, but more x not very = not very |
| 04:01.55 | amikrop | man_in_shack: wow, really? then you can't afford one |
| 04:02.03 | Gun_Smoke | amikrop, I think I picked up like 700M when I tared up a 45GB music dir a long time ago. |
| 04:02.11 | man_in_shack | amikrop, the correct answer to your question is: depends what codec the avi is encoded in, what you're encoding to, the speed of your cpu, RAM and harddrive, which way the wind is blowing in omsk ... |
| 04:02.13 | Gun_Smoke | not worth the time. |
| 04:02.28 | amikrop | Gun_Smoke: ok |
| 04:02.33 | amikrop | Gun_Smoke: thanks |
| 04:02.40 | Gun_Smoke | amikrop, no problem. |
| 04:02.42 | amikrop | man_in_shack: that could alos be the first answer ;) |
| 04:02.46 | amikrop | * also |
| 04:02.53 | man_in_shack | amikrop, but it's not an answer |
| 04:02.59 | man_in_shack | hence the crystal ball |
| 04:03.03 | amikrop | man_in_shack: you called it one |
| 04:03.14 | simonrvn | senses silver platter syndrome ... |
| 04:03.18 | man_in_shack | oh, there's my crystal ball |
| 04:03.25 | man_in_shack | throws his crystal ball at amikrop's head |
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| 04:03.43 | amikrop | laughs, as man_in_shack is really funny |
| 04:04.04 | man_in_shack | i like the idea of "lzma /dev/rtc" to "compress time" |
| 04:04.37 | man_in_shack | now we just need to find a way to access unallocated diskspace as a file, then we can lzma that and "compress space" too |
| 04:04.59 | simonrvn | lzma /dev/zero |
| 04:05.06 | man_in_shack | good idea |
| 04:05.39 | man_in_shack | "lzma /dev/zero /dev/rtc" == "compress space time" :) |
| 04:05.49 | man_in_shack | and voila, we have our own little wormhole |
| 04:05.59 | needkernel | pl4yer0ne: this is just a test box anyway ... I might as well upgrade the entire thing to sid instead of playing around with pinning different packages. |
| 04:06.39 | amikrop | man_in_shack: I knew something when I called you "funny" ;) |
| 04:06.57 | pl4yer0ne | yeah needkernel for sure |
| 04:07.16 | mydrmeix | im loading twm with .xinitrc, but if I add xsetroot -bg black to the xinitrc twm doesnt load and xserver quits |
| 04:07.28 | amikrop | man_in_shack: okm that was good, but for geeks :-) |
| 04:07.29 | amikrop | :P |
| 04:07.32 | amikrop | * ok, |
| 04:07.45 | simonrvn | man_in_shack: stepping stone idea: accomplish something in R (real numbers) large enough, then step that up to start accessing i (imaginaries) |
| 04:08.12 | man_in_shack | amikrop, this IS #debian |
| 04:08.12 | simonrvn | trying to do the impossible is not going to work in one shot. |
| 04:08.33 | amikrop | man_in_shack: sure, I forgot ;-) |
| 04:08.35 | man_in_shack | simonrvn, i don't see why not! |
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| 04:09.19 | simonrvn | man_in_shack: not in a physical sense. |
| 04:09.35 | man_in_shack | well, what fun is that? :) |
| 04:10.22 | simonrvn | is being more than half-serious ;) |
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| 04:11.27 | mydrmeix | finally xinitrc works |
| 04:11.35 | Gun_Smoke | amikrop, on a side note, compressing anything would be a tough guess for anyone else but you to assume.. If you were to have an old P3 or something.. might take you just as long to compress 10M as I can 10G.. ymmv |
| 04:13.37 | amikrop | Gun_Smoke: yes, sure |
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| 04:21.05 | mydrmeix | can I play audio cd's without the cable? |
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| 04:21.32 | ectospasm | mydrmeix: you can, but you'll have to rip it first. |
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| 04:22.22 | mydrmeix | okay |
| 04:22.41 | pstickne | Is there some good reason there is no apparently obvious way to access the Java Console from Firefox (Iceweasel) 3.x? |
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| 04:23.00 | pstickne | (Or, more to the point, how do I fix this?) |
| 04:23.33 | ectospasm | mydrmeix: I had the same problem with this old SB Live!... No header for the CDROM Audio cable on it... |
| 04:23.55 | ectospasm | I mean, I guess I could have wired one up, but I was far too lazy for that... |
| 04:24.19 | pl4yer0ne | the cd audio should work fine without the analogue cable |
| 04:24.52 | ectospasm | pl4yer0ne: are you sure? That never worked for me on a host of OSes... |
| 04:25.15 | pl4yer0ne | yeah it should do it digitially |
| 04:25.31 | pl4yer0ne | I dont have anything handy to test though. |
| 04:25.42 | ectospasm | doesn't work here, I had to rip the CD first. |
| 04:26.30 | pl4yer0ne | yeah thats weird, if you can rip the cd you should be able to listen to it digitally |
| 04:27.23 | mydrmeix | mplayer i hear sound cdtool\workbone I do not, but mplayer skips |
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| 04:53.33 | phantomcircuit | $ sshfs -o compression=yes phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org:/home/phantomcircuit/private/ /home/patrick/Desktop/private |
| 04:53.34 | phantomcircuit | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 04:53.55 | phantomcircuit | shouldn't a normal user be able to mount something in their home directory using FUSE? |
| 04:55.30 | hark | yes |
| 04:56.17 | phantomcircuit | so do i have to add myself to the fuse group? |
| 04:56.55 | phantomcircuit | oh so i do |
| 04:57.04 | hark | yes, you should be in the fuse group. |
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| 04:58.49 | zophy | i'm in the fuse group |
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| 05:00.03 | mooglenorph | Hello. I am thinking of moving to debian, and I would like to run a stable system but I use a few packages that I like to keep very up-to-date (SBCL, emacs, mnemosyne). Can I keep most of the system in "stable" and update only those packages to the "unstable" versions? |
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| 05:00.49 | theholyduck | mooglenorph, almost bound to break :P |
| 05:01.15 | theholyduck | mooglenorph, if you got the skill and arent afraid for a bit of breaking. try sid :P |
| 05:01.19 | theholyduck | or squeeze |
| 05:02.12 | phantomcircuit | patrick@patrick-laptop:~$ cat /etc/group|grep fuse |
| 05:02.12 | phantomcircuit | fuse:x:119:patrick |
| 05:02.12 | phantomcircuit | patrick@patrick-laptop:~$ sshfs phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org:/home/phantomcircuit/private/centsports /home/patrick/Desktop/centsports |
| 05:02.12 | phantomcircuit | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
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| 05:03.16 | phantomcircuit | http://paste.debian.net/31235/plain/31235 |
| 05:03.29 | phantomcircuit | adding myself to the fuse group did not fix the problem |
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| 05:06.32 | mooglenorph | Ugh. I probably am afraid of breaking. I have been using slackware for a long time. How frequent are problems, really? In testing or unstable? |
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| 05:25.00 | theholyduck | mooglenorph, in testing. not really |
| 05:25.06 | theholyduck | in unstable. if you're unlucky |
| 05:25.12 | theholyduck | once a month |
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| 05:32.21 | ice799 | Hi guys -- if I create a symlink in /etc/init.d to a script in my homedir, and then I tell update-rc.d file defaults will that execute when the runlevels change in the system? |
| 05:32.28 | ice799 | I noticed that cronjobs won't run if they are symlinks |
| 05:32.36 | ice799 | and I'm wondering if the same restriction exists for init scripts. |
| 05:33.32 | dondelelcaro | ice799: that's a bad idea |
| 05:33.40 | dondelelcaro | ice799: put the script in /etc/init.d |
| 05:33.58 | dondelelcaro | ice799: the reason why is because /home isn't necessarily mounted when /etc/init.d is |
| 05:34.24 | ice799 | I don't think that should be a problem, they are on the same filesystem for me. |
| 05:35.06 | ice799 | I don't have many interesting mount points. |
| 05:35.32 | ice799 | dondelelcaro: I'd prefer to not have to put my script in /etc/init.d for various reasons, but I wasn't sure if it will work if I don't. |
| 05:35.37 | dondelelcaro | that's fine, but it's still a bad idea. |
| 05:38.08 | dondelelcaro | but in any event, it won't matter if it's a symlink |
| 05:38.30 | ice799 | OK, thanks. |
| 05:38.58 | ice799 | It seems odd though that such a restriction exists for cronjobs but not init scripts, though. |
| 05:39.01 | mooglenorph | theholyduck: that's not bad at all. I could deal with a bug once a month or so. How bad do these issues tend to be? |
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| 05:39.28 | theholyduck | mooglenorph, a bit of googling. maybe getting a older version of a broken package from testing |
| 05:39.42 | theholyduck | the thing about sid is even if it generally doeesnt break |
| 05:39.45 | theholyduck | it CAN break |
| 05:39.53 | theholyduck | HORRIBLY |
| 05:40.03 | theholyduck | thus dont go crying it it happens |
| 05:40.11 | mooglenorph | Ah, so I can generally use an OLDER package without issues? |
| 05:40.28 | pl4yer0ne | mooglenorph, no-one said without issues. |
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| 05:41.06 | mooglenorph | pl4yer0ne: Heh. Point taken. |
| 05:42.01 | pl4yer0ne | running sid is like living in the ghetto. most days its ok. but sometimes theres a drive by and you get shot in your arse. |
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| 05:48.18 | theholyduck | pl4yer0ne, i enjoy running sid though |
| 05:48.53 | pl4yer0ne | you learn debian in a way stable dudes never do. |
| 05:49.07 | bpun | anyone here ever hear of sysv-rc-conf package? i'm wondering if there's a "setup" command that can menu sysv-rc-conf |
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| 06:05.50 | superjet_busy | bpun: add it by hand just like rxvt-unicode similiar shell command under /usr/share/menu |
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| 06:06.58 | stdisease | The fonts jre is displaying are too big, any clues? |
| 06:07.08 | bpun | superjet_busy, ah.. that's sounds neat.. but this is more of a developer/user request.. u see fedora has a "setup" tool.. wondering why debian cant.. |
| 06:07.27 | bpun | (ncurses graphics-- not necessarily X) |
| 06:07.37 | bpun | (thanks for the feedback) |
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| 06:08.19 | stdisease | sun-java6, anyone? |
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| 06:09.51 | stdisease | I look into /etc/java-6-sun/fontconfig.properties but there isn't any line for font size or dpi :s |
| 06:10.48 | superjet_busy | bpun: maybe most debian guys don't like gui and just prefer cli way |
| 06:11.55 | bpun | superjet_busy, it is cli.. ncurses is non-X |
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| 06:12.05 | simonrvn | bpun: because debian isn't fedora, that's why it "cant" |
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| 06:12.35 | bpun | simonrvn, well if the debiann guys made sysv-rc-conf.. it should be easy to make a ncurses menu to things like ethtool, etc... |
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| 06:13.18 | pl4yer0ne | yeah but debian guys dont like menus they like well documented config files. |
| 06:13.34 | simonrvn | bpun: dpkg -L sysv-rc-conf | grep menu before you continue your rant. |
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| 06:14.41 | simonrvn | pl4yer0ne: i'm not appreciating your gross over-simplification and over-generalization of debian users |
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| 06:14.44 | bpun | simonrvn, lol |
| 06:15.05 | simonrvn | bpun: did you run that command yet? |
| 06:15.08 | bpun | simonrvn, it's not a rant.. |
| 06:15.19 | bpun | simonrvn, why should i? |
| 06:15.19 | simonrvn | bpun: did you run that command yet? |
| 06:15.28 | bpun | simonrvn, i already know my system.. |
| 06:15.34 | bpun | it's a feature thing.. |
| 06:15.42 | bpun | i dont mind not having it.. but its a facelift.. |
| 06:15.44 | bpun | capish? |
| 06:15.52 | simonrvn | because it will tell you if it has a file that's included in the menu system or not. otherwise my convo with you stops here. |
| 06:15.54 | bpun | i just think it may be a good thing.. |
| 06:16.04 | bpun | menu system? |
| 06:16.06 | bpun | lol |
| 06:16.09 | simonrvn | if it isn't file a bug, and be happy. |
| 06:16.16 | bpun | nonono.. forrget everything about this.. |
| 06:16.54 | bpun | some folks tried to make a yast for debian.. but stopped the project short.. i have no problem with console commands.. |
| 06:16.55 | R_Dragon | I get "Package `sysv-rc-conf' is not installed." |
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| 06:17.22 | bpun | R_Dragon, sysv-rc-conf is not installed by default even on lenny i believe.. |
| 06:17.24 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 06:17.24 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 06:17.31 | simonrvn | it isn't |
| 06:17.35 | bpun | i did a minimal netinst .. heck X is not installed here.. |
| 06:18.21 | simonrvn | a "base" install does not include such extraneous things |
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| 06:20.24 | bpun | X sucks nways.. |
| 06:20.27 | pl4yer0ne | I would say because debian people dont need guis and the like to config their systems - but simonrvn would disapprove so i wont. |
| 06:20.39 | pl4yer0ne | =D |
| 06:20.42 | R_Dragon | bpun: i installed it and ran the command... |
| 06:21.31 | bpun | R_Dragon, u have sysvconfig on ur system? |
| 06:21.42 | R_Dragon | yep now I do. |
| 06:21.45 | bpun | R_Dragon, I use the service command from the sysv-rc-conf package.. |
| 06:22.01 | R_Dragon | well maybe... hang on. |
| 06:22.03 | bpun | R_Dragon, use those two commands.. they're much better than update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d... |
| 06:22.16 | R_Dragon | ah. ok. thanks |
| 06:23.13 | bpun | or could it be that "sysv-rc-conf --list" is the good task at hand.. |
| 06:23.20 | bpun | i think that should be one package.. |
| 06:23.48 | simonrvn | pl4yer0ne: disapprove? no, i just don't like over-generalizations, it's unfair to people. |
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| 06:25.28 | Mousey | people in general? |
| 06:25.33 | Mousey | ducks |
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| 06:26.15 | pl4yer0ne | haha nice one Mousey |
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| 06:27.00 | ravenbird | Leaving. (courtesy of simonrvn). |
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| 06:28.01 | R_Dragon | <abrotman> isn't here, but I want to thank him for helping me earlier. |
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| 06:29.17 | pl4yer0ne | i'll let him know if i see him R_Dragon |
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| 06:29.32 | R_Dragon | Thanks pl4er0ne |
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| 06:30.07 | R_Dragon | see ya'll later. |
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| 06:35.18 | bpun | abrotman is sometimes bottish |
| 06:35.20 | bpun | lol |
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| 06:36.08 | liable | !abrotmoo |
| 06:36.08 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
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| 06:36.31 | elik | !moo |
| 06:36.31 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 06:43.07 | Mousey | hawt |
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| 06:45.00 | wm4 | how can I make xterm/bash to show the current directory in the X window title? |
| 06:45.20 | wm4 | it used to do so, but at "some point" it stopped doing that, and it only shows "xterm" now |
| 06:46.14 | bpun | wm4, xterm -t ? |
| 06:46.53 | bpun | wm4, (actually it's -T ) |
| 06:46.56 | wm4 | bpun: what? xterm -t starts xterm with a weird font... |
| 06:47.13 | bpun | wm4, -T capital actually |
| 06:47.17 | wm4 | bpun: with -T I get "xterm: bad command line option "-T"" |
| 06:47.24 | bpun | wm4, man xterm |
| 06:47.49 | bpun | !xterm |
| 06:47.50 | dpkg | [xterm] the X terminal emulator and that's all it does: It emulates a terminal under X. Once you get used to the shell, you will start to feel somewhat limited in your actions when you only have a mouse to click at things. That's why so many Unix users don't like Windows (well, that and the "big evil corporation" thing...). I bet that in six months from now, "GUI" will mean "four xterms and a background picture" to you. see xterm-debian |
| 06:48.27 | wm4 | "This option specifies the title for xterm's windows." |
| 06:48.33 | bpun | ~!tell wm4 about xterm-debian |
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| 06:48.37 | kantor | hi |
| 06:48.38 | kantor | I added local: to X0.hosts but as I see it has no effect, is there other xhost config file ? |
| 06:49.06 | wm4 | bpun: well that's not what I want... it should display bash's current directory as title |
| 06:49.23 | bpun | wm4, -e |
| 06:49.51 | bpun | wm4, probably somewhere.. why are titles so impoartnt? |
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| 06:50.20 | wm4 | bpun: if you have more than 10 xterms on your screen, it gets confusing |
| 06:50.32 | bpun | wm4, lol.. use colors.. |
| 06:50.33 | wm4 | bpun: a good window title helps to find stuff |
| 06:50.50 | bpun | wm4, i'll see |
| 06:50.56 | wm4 | bpun: and actually, it'd be better if the window title would also show the program currently executed by bash |
| 06:51.03 | Zyferus | lol, i use 1 xtern, with screen :P |
| 06:51.15 | wm4 | bpun: but all I found about this are not-working hacks |
| 06:51.24 | bpun | wm4, very interesting.. it must be ur shitt window manager |
| 06:51.29 | bpun | wm4, it works with metacity |
| 06:51.40 | wm4 | bpun: icewm |
| 06:52.34 | wm4 | oh no, I used "xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults" and now, my terminal windows have white background |
| 06:52.44 | bpun | wm4, dunno.. blame it on icewem.. |
| 06:53.08 | bpun | wm4, or use um.. the awesome window manager (apt-get install awesome) |
| 06:53.19 | bpun | wm4, or go plain text.. |
| 06:53.24 | bpun | wm4, the hell with x |
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| 06:54.35 | wm4 | awesome sounds good, but it's probably also a nightmare to configure it so that it works like icewm |
| 06:55.05 | streuner_ | try fluxbox |
| 06:55.16 | Zyferus | i winder which wm is easiest to tunnel to another box |
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| 07:01.01 | unfair` | hello, i have a question: what do i have to do to make accented french letters show up correctly (in gnome and kde) |
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| 07:03.48 | wm4 | god, I really hate configuring X related stuff... it's all so confusing and every desktop environment does its own stuff |
| 07:04.04 | wm4 | am I the only one who gets frustrated over this? |
| 07:05.15 | SvenDowideit | nope :) some of us use the same computer for 10 years |
| 07:05.22 | SvenDowideit | it all looks the same |
| 07:05.24 | theholyduck | wm4, meh slim, xorg and flux ;p |
| 07:05.28 | theholyduck | i got all my configs backed up |
| 07:05.37 | unfair` | so does anyone have any idea how to do that? |
| 07:05.40 | theholyduck | takes me about 10 seconds to setup :D |
| 07:05.48 | SvenDowideit | pick a versioing system |
| 07:05.55 | SvenDowideit | check you r cfg's into it |
| 07:06.00 | SvenDowideit | and use, them :) |
| 07:06.12 | wm4 | right now I'm trying to find out how to start a new X server exactly the way gdm does (because I don't want to terminate my current session) |
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| 07:18.01 | wm4 | how can I start a new instance of gdm? that is, so that it doesn't use display :0, but create :1 |
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| 07:21.46 | jerryeguru | dpkg dmesg |
| 07:21.46 | dpkg | from memory, dmesg is print or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents. |
| 07:21.55 | wm4 | ah, gdmflexiserver smowhow magically allows it |
| 07:23.07 | wm4 | and for some unknown reason, xterm now displays bash's current working dir as window title, exactly what I want |
| 07:23.24 | wm4 | it's now if magic, unexpected behaviour, and heisenbugs work in favour of you |
| 07:23.49 | wm4 | s/now/nice/ |
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| 07:32.00 | deadcat | i am trying to get my bluetooth keyboard to connect, i can hcitool scan and it shows, but when i try to connect it just fails. |
| 07:32.58 | liable | i have had that problem. connecting the other way around fixed it, but i guess that a bit hard with a keyboard ;) |
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| 07:33.35 | deadcat | liable: if it can see the keyboard, that means it not hardware issue right? |
| 07:34.16 | wm4 | is there any terminal editor / shell combination, that allows me to do line editing like in GTK? (with selection, clipboard, and all that) |
| 07:34.24 | liable | deadcat: if it can see it, yeah, you just need to massage your hcitool commands to make it happy |
| 07:35.10 | liable | i vaguely recall something going missing recently in the bluetooth toolset making this harder |
| 07:35.26 | deadcat | liable: oh crap. |
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| 07:35.58 | eaxxae | is there an easy way to make /usr bigger.. my home has 60GB but /usr is only 4gb |
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| 07:36.14 | sep | eaxxae, do you use lvm ? |
| 07:36.15 | deadcat | eaxxae: lvm |
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| 07:36.38 | deadcat | liable: man its driving me crazy. |
| 07:37.57 | sep | eaxxae, if you do not use lvm, the quickest it probably to google for gparted, and download the bootable iso from their homepage. and resize with that ( --! HAVE BACKUPS !-- ) |
| 07:38.01 | eaxxae | deadcat: let me rephrase.. easy/idiot proof |
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| 07:38.59 | sardior | hey i resemble that remark |
| 07:39.19 | liable | deadcat: i had the same problem, but luckliy it was connecting to my phone, so i just made my phone connect to my debian box. dunno how you can work around it though :( |
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| 07:40.30 | kingsley | Is there a command line tool that can accept a list of numbers, and return their a.) average and b.) standard deviation? If so, what is it? |
| 07:42.20 | sep | a google search turned up http://panoskrt.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/shell-script-for-standard-deviation-arithmetic-mean-and-median/ if that does not fit, you can script your own ? |
| 07:42.40 | wm4 | eaxxae: the idiot-proof way is just to reinstall the OS into the partition where your usr is (but be sure the installer doesn't reformat/clear that partition) |
| 07:43.12 | jerryeguru | how can i find a system device name for attached hp dat tape device, this is what i seeing but can not see the device name >> http://pastebin.com/d12c11ebf |
| 07:43.24 | eaxxae | I have an external 320gb drive.. I'm just going to move my home dirs and reinstall I think |
| 07:43.27 | wm4 | eaxxae: with the exception of the bootloader, copying all your files into the partition is enough |
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| 07:44.17 | kingsley | sep: I may owe you an apology for being too terse. I should have mentioned that I'm hoping to find a command line tool that's compiled and faster than a script. |
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| 08:21.21 | ronr | I'm running iceweasel through X forwarding, works fine for a while but then the shell tells me it stopped and using bg (or fg for that matter) to get it running doesn't help, just gets back into Stopped immediately |
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| 08:27.52 | Dewi | ronr: try nohup iceweasel & |
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| 08:28.14 | Dewi | ronr: that will background and shield it from most signals relating to the terminal |
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| 08:28.34 | Dewi | ronr: which should mean only signals from X, or that you send yourself, will affect it |
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| 08:30.57 | ronr | Dewi: I'm gonna give that a try now |
| 08:32.49 | Dewi | ronr: I dunno why it would have been stopping, but it would normally be caused by receiving a stop signal, or it's trying to read/write I/O pipes that have become blocked or invalid (like the stdout on a terminal that's been closed for example) |
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| 08:35.30 | ronr | Dewi: seems to be working with nohup so far, hopefully it'll stay that way, thx |
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| 08:38.01 | Pulpie | when ever I try to run a dvd I cant mount my dvd player |
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| 08:50.05 | Farhadix | hi guys, I need enfuse package, what package I must install? enblend package does not contain enfuse |
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| 09:00.58 | tecneeq_ | gents, it seems linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 was updated, but i can't see why, the changelog and patchlog are missing: http://packages.debian.org/de/lenny/linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 09:01.15 | tecneeq_ | is there any way i can find out if i have to reboot? |
| 09:01.25 | tecneeq_ | could be a security problem after all |
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| 09:02.19 | Pulpie | .. |
| 09:02.38 | Pulpie | tecneeq_: you always have to reboot to load a new kernel |
| 09:02.54 | tecneeq_ | yes, but i would rather not if there is only a fix in USB |
| 09:03.13 | tecneeq_ | or in ISDN or something else i don't even use |
| 09:03.18 | Pulpie | lets put it this way, any anything broken? |
| 09:03.47 | tecneeq_ | Pulpie: i don't know, is there a security problem? i can't find the changelog, that's why i ask |
| 09:04.08 | Pulpie | are you not on the debian-security mailing list? |
| 09:04.31 | tecneeq_ | no sire, i am not, but now that you say it it seems as if i should :) |
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| 09:05.35 | Pulpie | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.26.1 |
| 09:05.50 | tecneeq_ | even better: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-13/changelog.html |
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| 09:07.26 | Pulpie | so the changelog isn't missing |
| 09:07.36 | Pulpie | you just didn't look hard enough |
| 09:07.52 | tecneeq_ | it's not linked correctly from the package page |
| 09:08.12 | Pulpie | hmm odd |
| 09:08.41 | tecneeq_ | broken: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-13lenny2/changelog |
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| 09:08.51 | tecneeq_ | good: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-13/changelog |
| 09:09.02 | tecneeq_ | no, not even that |
| 09:09.07 | tecneeq_ | good: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-13/changelog.html |
| 09:10.33 | Pulpie | ok, give me a gun |
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| 09:11.02 | tecneeq_ | whoa? no need to be hasty, it's just a minor problem ;) |
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| 09:12.17 | Pulpie | lol |
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| 09:14.36 | tecneeq_ | anyways, thanks for the input, i'll subscribe to debian-security |
| 09:15.36 | Pulpie | np |
| 09:15.37 | gevaerts | I want to make sure that software raid (md-style) is not setup in the initramfs. Any hints on how to achieve this in a clean way? |
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| 09:17.05 | shafu | Where does put iptables rules? |
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| 09:20.22 | nMaddy | Can anyone help me with my bash-sript? |
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| 09:21.22 | gevaerts | ok, found it. INITRDSTART in /etc/default/mdadm. Sorry for asking stupid questions... |
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| 09:21.44 | tecneeq_ | nMaddy: i guess, search for a paste service, or if it is just a few lines, paste it into a query with me |
| 09:22.30 | tecneeq_ | shafu: i'm guessing here, but i would think /etc/network/ would be a good place to place iftables instructions |
| 09:22.40 | foetus | hi there - i need slang-dev for midnight commander in oldstable, what is the recommended version, slang2-dev or slang1-dev ? |
| 09:23.07 | tecneeq_ | shafu: afaik the rules you inserted into the kernel are lost after reboot and have to be set again |
| 09:23.59 | tecneeq_ | foetus: i dunno, but i guess "ldd mc" could help identify the used libs |
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| 09:24.47 | tecneeq_ | foetus: in my case libslang 2, but it's lenny |
| 09:25.08 | foetus | tecneeq_: for 4.6.2, right? |
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| 09:25.13 | shafu | tecneeq_: actually i`m asking because there are some rules set and after reboot they are there..i`m trying to figure out that.. |
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| 09:25.55 | shafu | tecneeq_: i dont have anything in /etc/network related to iptables |
| 09:26.16 | tecneeq_ | foetus: yes, 4.6.2-pre1 is the version i have |
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| 09:27.05 | foetus | tecneeq_: as i saw on my system, i have compiled mc without slang :), so i have no requirements.. |
| 09:27.25 | tecneeq_ | shafu: i see. anyways, that's where i would have put my rules. you could try to "grep -R WORD /etc/*" where WORD is some part of the rulesets |
| 09:27.36 | tecneeq_ | shafu: or even iptables :) |
| 09:27.48 | shafu | tecneeq_: done that :) |
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| 09:27.52 | foetus | tecneeq_: i don't wonna make an mistake on it, not sure if mc really need slang2 or not.. |
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| 09:28.26 | foetus | tecneeq_: but thanks. lets try it. |
| 09:28.27 | tecneeq_ | foetus: it does need slang here: |
| 09:28.27 | tecneeq_ | karsten@tecneeq:~$ ldd /usr/bin/mc | grep slang libslang.so.2 => /lib/libslang.so.2 (0xb7de0000) |
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| 09:28.58 | foetus | tecneeq_: ah, is it 4.6.2? |
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| 09:29.17 | tecneeq_ | foetus: yes, 4.6.2-pre1 according to F1 |
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| 09:29.37 | foetus | tecneeq_: many thanks, nice help :) |
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| 09:29.56 | foetus | tecneeq_: so lets do it.. |
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| 09:30.52 | shafu | tecneeq_: nothing related to rules in /etc :( |
| 09:30.52 | batteronizer | pygtk |
| 09:30.55 | Suzu | hello |
| 09:31.52 | Farhadix | where I can find libxmi for lenny |
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| 09:35.01 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 09:37.05 | Azrael_- | i need a tool to log the traffic divided into external and internal traffic (based on the subnet). it should be similar to vnstat or sth like this |
| 09:37.15 | Azrael_- | can you give me a hint? |
| 09:37.44 | Farhadix | I need enfuse, too |
| 09:38.09 | Farhadix | lenny repositories haven't these packages |
| 09:38.14 | tecneeq_ | Farhadix: doesn't seem to be there, i guess you have to build your oww |
| 09:38.23 | eanda | Hi all- quick question on install...minimum debian. What is the difference between selecting Standard System and not selecting it? ie what signifigant progs won't be installed if standard system is not selected |
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| 09:41.09 | Farhadix | tecneeq_, i wanna compile enfuse, but it needs libxmi, and in configuring libxmi for compiling it returns error about libtool : http://www.nopaste.com/p/aqJLtVvf |
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| 09:45.22 | Maulkin | eanda: hang on. |
| 09:45.43 | eanda | Maulkin: ok waiting |
| 09:46.00 | tecneeq_ | Farhadix: do you have the kernel headers installed? i believe they help |
| 09:46.15 | enouf | ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | sort -n | less |
| 09:46.33 | tecneeq_ | Farhadix: also you can specify the build type yourself: ./configure --enable-64bit --build BUILD_TYPE |
| 09:46.49 | oznt | can someone help resolve this passwd: User not known to the underlying authentication module on ldap server ? |
| 09:47.07 | enouf | eanda: you could try what i just posted ... |
| 09:47.22 | Maulkin | eanda: http://ftp-master.debian.org/~neilm/standard_packages.txt |
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| 09:47.42 | Farhadix | yes it is installed, tecneeq_ |
| 09:48.21 | tecneeq_ | Farhadix: well, then try the other way, however, i'm not sure what BUILD_TYPE needs to be |
| 09:48.55 | Maulkin | Though that's for all archs and also includes DI stuff |
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| 09:49.18 | tecneeq_ | Farhadix: x86_64-debian-linux-gnu or something i guess |
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| 09:49.40 | tecneeq_ | Farhadix: i'm way over my head, i like to not build stuff that's not available as a package :) |
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| 09:50.58 | eanda | Maulkin: So what that is saying is those are the packages that the Standard System installs? |
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| 09:54.35 | Maulkin | eanda: I'm saying that those are the packages in priority standard. Which ones are installed depends on your architecture |
| 09:55.06 | oznt | How come I can id ldap user but can't change its password ? anyone got an idea |
| 09:55.19 | eanda | Maulkin: ok thanks for the info. I'll read a little and then move on |
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| 09:58.47 | dionysian | i'm coming from a slackware system where i configured my wireless card at startup with dhcpcd.. i could add the commands i use manually to rc.local, but is there another more elegant or debian-ish way to do it? |
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| 09:59.08 | foetus | tecneeq_: now it works -- with libslang2-dev..thanks again :) |
| 09:59.18 | enouf | !dhclient |
| 09:59.19 | dpkg | from memory, dhclient is if it doesn't work you usually forgot to enable some kernel options. dhclient writes to your logfiles what you have to activate. check syslog and messages after running dhclient, or the kernel options you need are config_filter and config_packet |
| 09:59.26 | simonrvn | dionysian: debian has rc.local now, just chmod +x it |
| 09:59.28 | tecneeq_ | foetus: my please, consider the bill i send you |
| 09:59.58 | foetus | tecneeq_: nice. |
| 10:00.08 | tecneeq_ | foetus: s/please/pleasure i guess ;) |
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| 10:01.33 | tecneeq_ | dionysian: i guess /etc/dhcp3/ could be abused for stuff you want to have done |
| 10:01.33 | foetus | tecneeq_: nice line: -O2 -O2 -O2.. :) |
| 10:01.45 | tecneeq_ | ;) |
| 10:01.48 | foetus | tecneeq_: but it works. |
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| 10:05.22 | dionysian | what's a good non-gnome/kde pdf/ps/dvi reader? |
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| 10:08.02 | khaije | dionysian: is that 'non' commutative? |
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| 10:08.44 | khaije | yr bools are in a bunch |
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| 10:11.46 | dionysian | commutative? |
| 10:12.12 | Aldus | hello. I need to find all files inside a folder (and its subfolders) which have a string in content. How to do it? I need some command like: search -R "mystring" /var/www/... |
| 10:12.41 | petemc | grep -R foo * |
| 10:12.43 | simonrvn | Aldus: grep... |
| 10:12.56 | dionysian | not kde and not gnome |
| 10:12.58 | Aldus | thanks. |
| 10:13.06 | Aldus | what is the * for? Folder? |
| 10:13.34 | petemc | Aldus: you can just give it a path instead |
| 10:14.01 | petemc | but if you're in the dir you want to search, * works |
| 10:14.16 | ronr | I'm trying to use tightvncserver, but it keep complaining about not being able to add screens due to missing fontpaths, where do I configure that? (and what value should I give it) |
| 10:14.40 | khaije | dionysian: there are several other guitool kits... are you excluding gtk+ from your search? |
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| 10:15.06 | dionysian | no, i just don't want to pull half of gnome |
| 10:15.18 | khaije | if you have a particular reason for avoiding toolkits you should probably first define which toolkits are acceptable |
| 10:15.33 | dionysian | nevermind |
| 10:17.04 | khaije | ah i see, there is evince among others |
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| 10:17.33 | khaije | hmm nm |
| 10:17.52 | Danielss89 | wget -m http://somedomain.tld/some_folder/ <-- this should get all files in the folder.. is that correct? |
| 10:18.15 | tecneeq_ | Danielss89: add -np or it will go even to http://somedomain.tld/ |
| 10:18.48 | tecneeq_ | Danielss89: also, the folder needs a index.[php|html] or something like a directory listing |
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| 10:18.54 | khaije | dionysian: epdfview is an example of what you're looking for |
| 10:19.01 | dionysian | evince is a gnome app |
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| 10:20.07 | tecneeq_ | dionysian: i guess you ruled out acrobat reader and ghostscript? |
| 10:20.07 | Aldus | thanks |
| 10:20.14 | Azrael_- | i need to generate 1tb download-traffic on my server. how can i do this within a reasonable time and speed? |
| 10:20.44 | zophy | dionysian, xpdf |
| 10:21.22 | zophy | dionysian, xpdf is good for pdf's |
| 10:21.44 | dionysian | i installed epdfview, and it looks like it will work well |
| 10:21.49 | dionysian | thanks |
| 10:21.57 | tecneeq_ | Azrael_-: for i in $(seq 100) ; do wget -O- http://domain/10megs.zip >/dev/null ; done |
| 10:22.21 | dionysian | i'm using fluxbox, and i don't see the need to install ~100MB for a pdf viewer :) |
| 10:22.21 | liable | evince is actually pretty good |
| 10:22.29 | dionysian | i like evince. |
| 10:22.40 | khaije | yw dionysian , what desktop are you using? |
| 10:22.43 | dionysian | but to install evince, i have to install half of gnome |
| 10:22.49 | dionysian | khaije: fluxbox |
| 10:23.00 | Azrael_- | tecneeq_: you also know a site with such a speedfile that won't be mad about 1tb traffic? :) |
| 10:23.03 | tecneeq_ | dionysian: well, i guess you have to sacrifice space if you want to view PDF, DVI and PS |
| 10:23.12 | liable | so use xpdf then |
| 10:23.36 | dionysian | tecneeq_: did it with <3MB after installation |
| 10:23.48 | liable | btw, the gnome libs required by evince is nowhere near half of gnome.. |
| 10:24.41 | tecneeq_ | Azrael_-: hmm, there are plenty servers out there that would allow you to download a GB of traffic. but i leave it to you to find them. in fact, i believe the question wasn't really thought through ;) |
| 10:25.00 | tecneeq_ | liable: xpdf can display DVI? |
| 10:25.19 | tecneeq_ | dionysian: so, what did you use? |
| 10:25.34 | Azrael_- | tecneeq_: my datacenter claims not being able to log the traffic for each server. normally they throttle you after 1tb so now i want to exceed the limit and see what they do... |
| 10:26.21 | tecneeq_ | Azrael_-: well, download a debian DVD or something, there are plenty of mirrors out there |
| 10:26.45 | tecneeq_ | Azrael_-: or to saturate the link, download a file about 100 megs from 10 mirrors at the same time |
| 10:27.26 | dionysian | i used epdfview |
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| 10:32.00 | Azrael_- | k |
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| 10:41.27 | hatseflats | mornin' everyone |
| 10:41.41 | Hoxzer | Hello. |
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| 10:43.05 | hatseflats | I'm trying to get my remote VPS UTF-8 capable, specifically, I need support for japanese script. I've generated the neccesary UTF-8 locales, and adjusted the configuration of the apps I need to use, same as my local box. |
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| 10:43.25 | dionysian | does gmailfs work well? |
| 10:44.01 | OpenTokix | hatseflats: what about your terminal? |
| 10:44.06 | hatseflats | but when I ssh to the box, and try to enter some characters on the bare terminal, I get nothing but a quick redraw of the screen and 0 entered chars (no questionmarks instead of kanji either) |
| 10:44.15 | enouf | Azrael_-: tecneeq_ a much better idea, rather than to suck up debian mirror bandwidth, which is paid for through the mirror providers, is ti hit every conceivable 'proprietary' mirror for garbage like windows SP2 and crap - AOL music or someshit |
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| 10:44.43 | hatseflats | OpenTokix: gnome-terminal, and that works fine when I use it locally. |
| 10:44.51 | OpenTokix | hatseflats: try xterm |
| 10:44.54 | CoolCold | i was talking to someone except enouf on friday evening about booting 2.6.28 and rootdelay...so i've opened box and got mobo model name, here is it http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/xeon1333/5000p/x7db3.cfm |
| 10:45.07 | OpenTokix | hatseflats: I have had ALOT of problem with utf-8 on remote machiens with gnome-terminal sometimes |
| 10:45.12 | OpenTokix | hatseflats: just try it =) |
| 10:45.28 | OpenTokix | hatseflats: and also the .bashrc what termina it reports you have |
| 10:45.34 | hatseflats | OpenTokix: SCIM input method doesn't work for xterm :/ |
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| 10:45.58 | OpenTokix | oki |
| 10:46.02 | OpenTokix | have to leave, bbl |
| 10:46.11 | enouf | CoolCold: thanks (i'm not sure what to do with that info ..but i know you posted it now, b/c you said you would) |
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| 10:46.56 | Asad2005 | can some one please help me on a raidz mounted on /mynass and NFS server? /mynass does not support NFS export |
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| 10:47.33 | enouf | too bad there's a 'n' in /mynass :-P |
| 10:47.42 | hatseflats | *rimshot* |
| 10:47.49 | hatseflats | no pun intended? :p |
| 10:47.59 | CoolCold | enouf: :) |
| 10:48.05 | CoolCold | and dmidecode lies.. |
| 10:48.28 | CoolCold | dmidecode says it is X7DB8 |
| 10:48.30 | Asad2005 | enouf, whats bad about it ? |
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| 10:48.50 | zzz | hi |
| 10:49.07 | zzz | i have this problem with dovecot server: Error: Can't use mail executable /usr/lib/dovecot/pop3: No such file or directory |
| 10:49.07 | zzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.08 | enouf | CoolCold: i mean, perhaps file an installation report (use reportbug{-ng}) .. atleast let the team know the specifics, and how you compiled, created/modified initrd, and hardware specificsetc etc |
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| 10:49.43 | zzz | i'm trying to configure dovecot on debian lenny |
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| 10:50.19 | CoolCold | enouf: nothing special...the only parametr rootdelay=10 helps. it was not easy to determine problem, but solution is quite simple |
| 10:50.27 | enouf | CoolCold: dmidecode is reading BIOS SMBios info - so, either a) the BIOS provider sucks ass, or b) the Mobo vendor hasn't relayed specific info to BIOS provider |
| 10:51.10 | CoolCold | so, i have nothing to share with :( |
| 10:51.26 | enouf | CoolCold: have you ran the other various commandss? biosdecode? vbedecode (one is IBM specific IIRC) |
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| 10:51.41 | enouf | CoolCold: how about lshal | grep smbios |
| 10:52.04 | ronr | I got a nfs mount that seems to mount without problems, however when I try to access it it says input / output error, where can I find additional error messages that can make things a bit more clear? |
| 10:52.10 | enouf | CoolCold: the point is; why is rootdelay= needed |
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| 10:52.43 | enouf | CoolCold: usually, that might occur for externally attached disks (USB, eSATA, NAS perhaps) |
| 10:52.43 | CoolCold | enouf: hmm..didn't i provided debian bug link? wait a sec |
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| 10:53.19 | CoolCold | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-kernel@lists.debian.org/msg28369.html |
| 10:53.55 | CoolCold | enouf: i think driver does some long initialization.. |
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| 10:54.31 | enouf | CoolCold: well, maybe add to it perhaps .. that's from 2007, so definitely not .28 related |
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| 10:55.04 | enouf | you would find the original on BTS though |
| 10:55.18 | CoolCold | enouf: mm..i think this is common problem for all long-init devices/drivers |
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| 10:55.49 | enouf | CoolCold: you're speculating, and so am i - point is; let the devs know about it please |
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| 10:59.04 | Agiofws | hey how do you take some input from KB and store to a variable in bash ? |
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| 11:00.29 | enouf | CoolCold: iirc, i've seen inside some fairly recent debian initrds, and i recall seeing 'sleep N if usb|firewire blah' ... type things to allow for specific instances/initializations of certain type/classes of disk/controllers to wait before trying to mount / FS, etc etc .. so more consideration is perhaps needed - again, please add, or file a newe installation report - thank you |
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| 11:01.02 | jelly | Agiofws: "read variablename" |
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| 11:01.51 | Agiofws | thanks jelly |
| 11:02.12 | CcSsNET | anyone know off hand the mouse config location? or a util |
| 11:02.21 | CcSsNET | im not using gdm |
| 11:02.27 | CcSsNET | i mean gpm |
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| 11:04.30 | enouf | CcSsNET: xorg.conf? |
| 11:04.48 | CcSsNET | hmm |
| 11:04.54 | CcSsNET | its in that? |
| 11:04.57 | CcSsNET | -.- |
| 11:05.05 | enouf | CcSsNET: man xorg.conf :-P |
| 11:05.14 | CcSsNET | kk |
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| 11:06.10 | tarik_ | CcSsNET : /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 11:06.11 | dionysian | is there any way to turn off beeping in the console? |
| 11:06.22 | enouf | !bell |
| 11:06.22 | dpkg | "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module |
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| 11:07.15 | jpinx | can I write a script to be executed when the WM starts which will start certain applications with certain delays (to allow my connection to be established)? |
| 11:07.15 | superdump | hello there |
| 11:07.31 | superdump | i'm trying to install gnome-core in debian unstable in a vm |
| 11:07.43 | superdump | but there are dependency issues |
| 11:07.44 | superdump | http://www.swains.plus.com/superdump/images/screen-capture-23.png |
| 11:07.47 | superdump | is this known? |
| 11:07.59 | enouf | jpinx: are you using gnome at all? |
| 11:08.11 | enouf | jpinx: kde? |
| 11:08.18 | dionysian | thanks :) |
| 11:09.28 | CoolCold | enouf: may i pm you? |
| 11:10.03 | enouf | no .. best to comm within channel - |
| 11:10.04 | jpinx | enouf: lxde - there is an autostart dir which I use to start applications, but I need them to come up in a specific sequence with certain delays |
| 11:10.30 | enouf | jpinx: man sleep - man <your-lxde-docs> etc |
| 11:10.44 | jpinx | enouf: done all that - thanks |
| 11:11.50 | CcSsNET | echo 'begin' && sleep 300 && echo 'slept' |
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| 11:13.26 | jpinx | <application1> && sleep 30 && <application2> && sleep 10 && <application3>... etc ? |
| 11:13.36 | stuarticus | I have a backup job setup with crontab, it doesn't seem to be working, is there a logfile somewhere? Google says /var/log/cron.log but no joy there |
| 11:13.43 | CcSsNET | yea basically |
| 11:13.50 | CcSsNET | but here is the big thing |
| 11:14.06 | CcSsNET | & means do next && means only do next if prior command didnt fail |
| 11:14.14 | jpinx | CcSsNET: how to test without rebooting? |
| 11:14.32 | enouf | jpinx: see if lxde parses/sources any ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession files - are you using a DM, or just startx? |
| 11:14.33 | CcSsNET | u tell me its ur script :P |
| 11:14.48 | jpinx | CcSsNET: that's cool - if one fails I don't want the rest |
| 11:14.56 | enouf | maybe there's a ~/.lxde/config |
| 11:15.51 | CcSsNET | but for sleep u want sleep # && so it only runs next command once sleep finishs |
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| 11:16.09 | CcSsNET | but between next command set use a & |
| 11:16.13 | jpinx | enouf there is a ~/.config/autostart which contains the scripts to start the applications and I already use that, I just wanted one that will star them in sequence and with delays |
| 11:16.36 | CcSsNET | joinx when are these to start? |
| 11:17.00 | jpinx | CcSsNET: got that thanks |
| 11:17.00 | CcSsNET | pc boot? |
| 11:17.00 | CcSsNET | user login? |
| 11:17.06 | jpinx | CcSsNET: this is for starting applications when the WM starts after boot |
| 11:17.17 | CcSsNET | which wm? |
| 11:17.17 | jpinx | yes after user login |
| 11:17.33 | CoolCold | enouf: looking into http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=433905 i can see it's still opened, do you think my report will help someone? |
| 11:17.35 | jpinx | openbox with lxde desktop |
| 11:17.48 | CcSsNET | hmmm very specific |
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| 11:17.58 | CcSsNET | not sure :( |
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| 11:18.27 | enouf | CoolCold: yes - but have you also tried stock Debian kernel? (linux-image-2.6.28-x) |
| 11:18.37 | jpinx | CcSsNET: like this maybe " wicd & sleep 30 && iceweasel " |
| 11:19.03 | CcSsNET | yea ^ |
| 11:19.19 | jpinx | CcSsNET: to give wicd a chance to establish the connection |
| 11:19.26 | CcSsNET | this method is kinda bla |
| 11:19.32 | CcSsNET | it wont give u window placement |
| 11:19.34 | CcSsNET | ect ect |
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| 11:19.51 | CcSsNET | u wil want to deeply research the wm config for better results |
| 11:19.54 | jpinx | CcSsNET: heh - ok - I'm very amateur |
| 11:20.00 | RichiH | is anyone running looking glass for their ISP? if yes, are there any implementations which one should use? |
| 11:20.08 | CoolCold | enouf: no |
| 11:20.09 | CoolCold | debian:~# apt-cache search linux-image|grep 28 |
| 11:20.09 | CoolCold | linux-image-2.6.28.8-hope - Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.28.8-hope |
| 11:20.20 | CoolCold | that 'hope' kernel is my own |
| 11:20.23 | jpinx | CcSsNET: thanks for the pointers though |
| 11:20.28 | CcSsNET | np |
| 11:20.31 | CoolCold | i can see .26 only in backports |
| 11:20.40 | CcSsNET | im use fluxbox far less work |
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| 11:20.44 | CcSsNET | easy configs |
| 11:20.50 | CoolCold | (i'm on oldstable aka etch) |
| 11:20.57 | enouf | CoolCold: so go grab the .28 from p.d.o and dpkg -i it |
| 11:21.03 | enouf | eww |
| 11:21.07 | jpinx | CcSsNET: I'm using lenny in a eeepc |
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| 11:21.12 | CcSsNET | nice |
| 11:21.16 | zzzz | in order to run pop3 using dovecot what package do i need to install |
| 11:21.18 | zzzz | ? |
| 11:21.28 | CcSsNET | i want either an eeepc or an openpandora |
| 11:21.32 | CcSsNET | not sure yet |
| 11:21.54 | CcSsNET | ill probably get pandora cuz its smaller |
| 11:21.56 | jpinx | CcSsNET: fast boot, but I want it to do the whole thing and have the toast buttered when I look back ;) |
| 11:22.11 | zzzz | bcz only the imap protocol is working with the dovecot-common installed |
| 11:22.22 | ShredZ | Can I set a default zoom level for firefox 3 through the preferences or the user.js (the kind where graphics scale too) ? |
| 11:22.44 | jpinx | CcSsNET: I'd go smaller, but my hands are too big for the keyboard - I'll go tiny when voice control has come of age and I don't need a keyboard |
| 11:22.52 | petemc | zzzz: dovecot-pop3d , as surprising as it sounds |
| 11:22.56 | CcSsNET | hehe |
| 11:23.23 | CcSsNET | yea that part worries me too about the pandora its thumb typing |
| 11:23.34 | zzzz | petemc: ok. do i find the package in the stable tree? |
| 11:23.50 | petemc | yes |
| 11:24.11 | jpinx | CcSsNET: yea - at least with my eeepc I can use all fingers, and debian runs sweetly |
| 11:24.13 | petemc | you would have to type less characters to check that yourself than ask... |
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| 11:27.20 | zzzz | petemc: what repositories should i add or activate in order to install dovecot-pop3d (debian lenny) |
| 11:27.46 | petemc | its in main |
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| 11:28.45 | zzzz | ok. cz i run apt-get install dovecot-pop3 and return error |
| 11:28.53 | petemc | d |
| 11:29.04 | petemc | !tell zzzz about grounding |
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| 11:31.22 | zzzz | petemc: 10x 4 ur help |
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| 11:42.09 | ghoster | hello? |
| 11:42.16 | ghoster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:47.09 | foetus | a question - is there a reason, that support for smbfs is disabled in mc? is there a known bug or something else? |
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| 11:48.37 | foetus | i have it still enabled in rocks, cause i need it normally.. |
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| 11:49.53 | foetus | with samba it rocks :), running fast.. |
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| 11:50.31 | foetus | whatever. |
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| 11:54.54 | StarkD | anyone know of a graphical hierarchical todo manager? something like a graphical version of devtodo? |
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| 12:01.55 | gps23 | someone please tell me why: code=1; if [ "code" -eq 1 ] returns true in korn shell |
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| 12:03.52 | p0g0 | gps23: $code |
| 12:04.51 | p0g0 | eh korn...dunno |
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| 12:09.41 | gps23 | p0g0, yup, its korn, bash is not giving same behavior |
| 12:10.42 | abrotman | gps23: there is a #ksh |
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| 12:11.16 | ma3x | where is the nagios web root directory in debian? |
| 12:11.33 | abrotman | did you check the nagios conf file ? |
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| 12:12.27 | gps23 | abrotman, thanks |
| 12:12.49 | CoolCold | ma3x: u mean cgi or what? |
| 12:12.57 | abrotman | hasn't use ksh much since Uni |
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| 12:18.43 | ma3x | CoolCold: i want to change site.com/nagios3 to only site.com where do i edit that? |
| 12:18.53 | CoolCold | mm |
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| 12:19.24 | CoolCold | ma3x: somewhere in /etc/apache2/conf.d/nagios3.conf |
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| 12:21.34 | zzzz | how can i stop some services (e.g.portmap) and prevent them to restart after reboot ? |
| 12:21.57 | ma3x | CoolCold: should i edit ScriptAlias or Alias? or DirectoryMatch |
| 12:22.07 | liable | !services |
| 12:22.07 | dpkg | i guess services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, sysvconfig, <sysv-rc-conf>, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
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| 12:26.38 | j4k | hi |
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| 12:26.54 | j4k | could somebody tell me how to tell apt to exclude X dependencies? |
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| 12:27.46 | j4k | basically: I'd like to install finch without pidgin but it wants to install a whole bunch of X libs, how do I tell it not to? |
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| 12:37.38 | jpinx | j4k: it appears to depend on pidgin-data not pidgin itself |
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| 12:39.31 | foetus | how can i solve this "-O2 -O2 -O2" phenom by compiling applied dsc-packages ? |
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| 12:40.28 | sepult | foetus: you don't have to |
| 12:40.50 | foetus | sepult: but there are double variables.. |
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| 12:41.01 | sepult | foetus: the last one will succeed |
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| 12:41.39 | sepult | foetus: if it were -O2 -03 -Os for example |
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| 12:41.48 | foetus | sepult: ah, ok.. but how can i solve this ? |
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| 12:43.02 | sepult | foetus: i think you have to configure your dpkg-buildpackage or whatever to just use those arguments you specify and none else |
| 12:43.22 | foetus | sepult: is there a double call in rules or something ? i have set CFLAGS="-O2" in environment, maybe he wants this "-g -wall".. |
| 12:43.48 | sepult | foetus: it could be that the package maintainers put their own stuff in there |
| 12:43.51 | foetus | and sets O2 for -g and O2 for wall.. |
| 12:44.12 | foetus | sepult: hm. ok. |
| 12:44.16 | sepult | foetus: you can however play with make and make options i think |
| 12:44.31 | sepult | environment overrides, no builtin rules etc... |
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| 12:45.22 | foetus | sepult: i must take a look into rules, maybe it is solved then.. |
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| 12:49.55 | SixThreeOh | Which package provides dig? |
| 12:50.08 | petemc | dnsutils |
| 12:50.14 | petemc | !tell SixThreeOh on about search |
| 12:50.26 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.39 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:54.20 | _Hicham_2 | I am trying to compile firefox |
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| 12:54.35 | IvanSB | hi I just stumbled in a dmraid bug after last update... any suggestion about how to recover? |
| 12:54.40 | _Hicham_2 | there it seems that there is a problem with the development files of hunspell |
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| 12:56.20 | abrotman | _Hicham_2: why? just use iceweasel |
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| 12:56.54 | _Hicham_2 | abrotman : but iceweasel isn't pgo optimized |
| 12:57.05 | _Hicham_2 | i m trying to build a pgo optimized firefox |
| 12:57.06 | abrotman | planet.gnome.org ? |
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| 12:57.36 | _Hicham_2 | planet.gnome.org? |
| 12:58.12 | scientes | what do you mean by pgo _Hicham_2, explain yourself |
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| 12:59.17 | _Hicham_2 | pgo stands for profile guided optimization |
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| 12:59.45 | _Hicham_2 | it is a relatively new techniques in compilation optimization |
| 13:00.02 | _Hicham_2 | but for me it seems that i can't link with the system hunspell |
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| 13:13.44 | Mac101 | hi i did ifconfig and it echod cmd not found o.O |
| 13:14.04 | petemc | /sbin/ifconfig , only root has sbin in their path |
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| 13:19.08 | oznt | does anyone know how to stop a service from loading at boot ? I can't log into my system, and I need to stop nslcd from loading at boot. I can access the system from livecd |
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| 13:20.40 | petemc | oznt: remove the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ directories |
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| 13:21.14 | oznt | petemc, thanks, so from the live cd, I need to remove the symlink to nslcd |
| 13:21.16 | oznt | ? |
| 13:21.19 | petemc | yz |
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| 13:29.32 | foetus | use rcconf or sysv-rc-conf..maybe its the better choice :) |
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| 13:30.02 | sirlog | Hi @ all. I fighting with my mailserver for month. I'm using debian etch and postfix trieing to relay to my provider. Perhaps it's a debian problem? See my logging @ http://paste.debian.net/31256. Please help me or tell me where I can get help ;-) |
| 13:30.35 | total | Hello, my server disk full, how to know what use it most? |
| 13:30.37 | foetus | or change the leading "S" into "K" |
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| 13:31.04 | foetus | better than remove.. |
| 13:31.06 | enouf | total: use find to find largest files |
| 13:31.27 | tecneeq_ | shouldn't this only print out the first line? |
| 13:31.28 | tecneeq_ | echo -e "FOO;DUPE;BAR\nBAZ;DUPE;EQUUX" | sort -u -k 2 -t ";" |
| 13:32.02 | uwjweq | Is it possible to hybernate some processes when I need the power for something else. I would not mind at all if they cease to work for that time e.g. apache2d or tomcat |
| 13:33.19 | tecneeq_ | -t ";" would be field separator, -k 2 would be consider the second field as sorting criteria, and -u is print out unly if the match is unique |
| 13:33.34 | total | enouf: how to write condition for it? |
| 13:33.49 | tecneeq_ | uwjweq: check out batch, you just give it your job and it is done if the load is less than XY |
| 13:33.56 | enouf | tecneeq_: does it happen if you preface with LC_ALL=C ? |
| 13:34.09 | enouf | total: /msg dpkg using find |
| 13:34.35 | tecneeq_ | enouf: nope |
| 13:35.06 | tecneeq_ | enouf: sort seems to be considering the whole line, but it should be consider only the second field |
| 13:36.30 | uwjweq | tecneeq_: Batch is not what I want I think. I want to close/hybernate some deamons and background processes to have the power for another task |
| 13:36.49 | tecneeq_ | uwjweq: that's exactly what is was invented for |
| 13:36.55 | oznt | petemc, thanks a lot in worked. But now I have a weired problem: I can't log as root, I can only log as regular user and switch to root via sudo su (regular su doesnot work) any idea ? |
| 13:36.57 | tecneeq_ | uwjweq: is it still in debian? |
| 13:37.17 | uwjweq | tecneeq_: Can not find it in package manager |
| 13:37.47 | tecneeq_ | uwjweq: well, i'm the old fart than suggesting tools that aren't even exist anymore in UNIX |
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| 13:38.34 | uwjweq | So I have to do this manually? |
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| 13:39.24 | tecneeq_ | well, it should be easy to send a signal to a certain pid if the load exceeds some number |
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| 13:40.51 | uwjweq | tecneeq_: Well then there is some misunderstanding, cause this is not what I want to do. |
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| 13:41.35 | p0g0 | uwjweq: cpulimit might help |
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| 13:43.01 | uwjweq | p0g0 close. I am sorry that I am unable to phrase the case in a clearer way. |
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| 13:44.05 | tecneeq_ | uwjweq: something like that? |
| 13:44.06 | tecneeq_ | while : ; do if [ $load -gt 2 ] ; then sendsignal PAUSE demon ; else ; sendsignal CONTINUE demon ; fi ; sleep 5 ; done |
| 13:44.14 | tecneeq_ | pseudo code, don't run it ;) |
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| 13:46.02 | tecneeq_ | uwjweq: use kill to send the signals and pgrep to get the PID of a demon |
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| 13:46.38 | tecneeq_ | the load should be obtainable somewhere in /proc with nearly no cost |
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| 13:47.28 | flourish | hi, howto know the terminal name i currently used in debian lenny |
| 13:47.35 | uwjweq | tecneeq_ :-) Thats about it. But even simpler for what I need. I only need the deamons to die and resurrect later when I am done with my task. I know how to do that in bash and was just wondering if there was a ready to go solution which does not need me to create code on my own. |
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| 13:48.04 | flourish | some one may use urxvt, or gnome-terminal or something else .. |
| 13:48.21 | tecneeq_ | echo $TERM |
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| 13:49.00 | flourish | tecneeq_: xterm? not gnome-terminal? |
| 13:49.14 | flourish | tecneeq_: so what's the different between these two |
| 13:49.20 | tecneeq_ | flourish: it means your terminal behaves like xterm, all you need to know i guess |
| 13:49.35 | tecneeq_ | flourish: my konsole (kde) says xterm too |
| 13:49.43 | uwjweq | flourish You decide export TERM |
| 13:50.54 | flourish | thanks |
| 13:52.16 | fire | hi |
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| 13:52.37 | flourish | anyone use vimperator for firefox here? |
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| 13:53.34 | flourish | i want to know the name of my terminal just for a small tip of vimperator^_^ |
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| 13:54.10 | fire | does someone know a good tar tutorial, cause the manual isn't realy usefull, if you want to backup your whole system |
| 13:54.11 | flourish | :set editor=urxvt\ -e\ vim urxvt is the name of the terminal |
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| 13:56.02 | uwjweq | fire: you might not only want to tar / but use one of the many backup tools that ship with Debian GNU/Linux. |
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| 13:56.51 | tecneeq_ | uwjweq: i haven't seen one as flexible as tar in a script |
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| 13:58.33 | tecneeq_ | fire: this is how i do it: http://uberhost.dyndns.org/scripte/tecback |
| 13:59.22 | uwjweq | fire: Don´t execute binaries from untrustet sources. |
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| 13:59.43 | tecneeq_ | fire: don't believ untrusted people in chatrooms about executing scripts |
| 13:59.50 | tecneeq_ | uwjweq: ;) |
| 13:59.53 | fire | :D |
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| 14:01.09 | fire | tecneeq_: thx for the skript, it is using zip right? |
| 14:01.21 | tecneeq_ | fire: it can also use tar |
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| 14:01.47 | tecneeq_ | fire: but you would have to change it, sorry, this one is zip only |
| 14:01.56 | tecneeq_ | i have a tar version around i think |
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| 14:03.12 | tecneeq_ | fire: there you go, it's just a tad older: http://uberhost.dyndns.org/scripte/tecback_tar |
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| 14:03.27 | fire | tecneeq_: if you are german you can talk to me like that |
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| 14:06.22 | foetus | my server resembles to an build station now.. |
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| 14:06.58 | somedude | how can i get audacity to allow me to export my work |
| 14:07.06 | H2S04 | file > export |
| 14:07.08 | H2S04 | :P |
| 14:07.10 | tecneeq_ | ;) |
| 14:07.33 | Azrael_- | if i repeat a command in bash it is also multiple times in the history. can i set it to have it only once in the history of my bash? (press up and have the command only once) |
| 14:08.01 | bzed | Azrael_-: man bash |
| 14:08.04 | bzed | Azrael_-: search for HISTCONTROL |
| 14:08.11 | Azrael_- | k |
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| 14:09.59 | Azrael_- | bzed: where do i have to set histcontrol? |
| 14:10.30 | Azrael_- | tried to add "export HISTCONTROL=ignoredups" to /etc/bash.bashrc without any effect |
| 14:11.27 | Azrael_- | if i set it for the user it works but how can i do it systemwide? |
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| 14:13.25 | tdn | Is it possible to lock xen domU's in a way such that they cannot be started on another dom0? Or are there some other locking mechanism to prevent a domU to be started two places at once? |
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| 14:20.17 | acu | If I connect through ssh to other computer, I cannot start any GUI application in that computer, why? What do I need to change so I can login as ssh and start x11vnc |
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| 14:22.32 | sep | are there any way to disable the horrible overkill "self signed certificate" warning in browsers ? |
| 14:22.33 | jetscreamer | tdn: i don't know, but would it be in skel? |
| 14:22.45 | jetscreamer | err... Azrael_- not tdm |
| 14:23.12 | jetscreamer | you mean the extra overkill in iceweasel i bet |
| 14:23.23 | sep | indeed |
| 14:23.25 | Azrael_- | it is in skel but dunno where to set it systemwide |
| 14:23.27 | jetscreamer | should be, ff doesn't do it |
| 14:23.43 | jetscreamer | Azrael_-: i mean when the users get created they get that default |
| 14:24.22 | jetscreamer | and precreated ones wouldn't have it so their prefs would override |
| 14:24.22 | sep | seriously ? iceweasel should not change other things then the name i belived ? your not comparing different versions ? |
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| 14:24.49 | jetscreamer | sep: i may be but all i know is ff vs iceweasel the latest versions of each |
| 14:24.56 | tdn | jetscreamer, maybe. |
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| 14:26.10 | bzed | Azrael_-: ~/.bashrc |
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| 14:28.50 | jetscreamer | yes overrode by that |
| 14:29.15 | sep | http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel mentions it |
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| 14:30.04 | jetscreamer | must be popular thing to turn off |
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| 14:30.45 | sep | probably |
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| 14:31.38 | sep | and jsut to pull more money into the protection racket that is the ssl authentiction schemes |
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| 14:36.27 | oznt | general q: ldap-server and ldap-client on the same machine is this possible at all in debian ? |
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| 14:38.20 | apostle | Does anyone recommend open source uml tools for a C Project? |
| 14:38.20 | ilaiho | hi! |
| 14:38.30 | ilaiho | why deluge is removed from squeeze? |
| 14:39.37 | oznt | ilaiho, have you tried installing the packages from the deluge-project website. their are usually very good. and updated frequently |
| 14:40.56 | ilaiho | oznt: i am not going to install it to a squeeze box. i just wonder why it has been removed |
| 14:41.44 | valdyn | judd: versions deluge-torrent |
| 14:41.45 | judd | valdyn: deluge-torrent -- etch-backports: 0.5.0-2~bpo.1 lenny: 0.5.9.3-1 experimental: 1.1.2.dfsg-1 sid: 1.1.5+dfsg-1 |
| 14:41.54 | valdyn | !why is deluge-torrent not in testing |
| 14:41.55 | dpkg | deluge-torrent is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=deluge-torrent |
| 14:42.37 | ilaiho | thanks! |
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| 14:43.18 | ilaiho | compiling problems, I guess? |
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| 14:43.56 | amgarching | Hi, is there a way to check a file for stale locks in an NFS mounted home partition? |
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| 14:46.16 | adb | oznt: tried in #ldap ? |
| 14:46.58 | jetscreamer | so it's just not in testing |
| 14:46.59 | oznt | adb, not yet. I will but I think the problems I am having just unique to debian... |
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| 14:47.03 | jetscreamer | that is kinda common |
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| 14:49.23 | abrotman | apostle: not sure how much UML dia can do |
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| 14:51.14 | apostle | abrotman, has anyone used autodia..... |
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| 14:52.56 | abrotman | apostle: try asking anyone .. my nick is abrotman |
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| 14:53.51 | apostle | has anyone used autodia? |
| 14:54.06 | D4T | hi all, is it possible to build a custom etch installer with the latest kernel? |
| 14:54.31 | OpenTokix | backports? etchandahalf? roll your own kernel? |
| 14:54.44 | OpenTokix | D4T: do you mean latest in debian stable , ie 2.6.26, or latest from kernel-devs? |
| 14:55.02 | D4T | OpenTokix: from kernel-devs |
| 14:55.15 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 14:55.26 | OpenTokix | D4T: I would roll my own using compile-kernel the debian way |
| 14:55.32 | OpenTokix | D4T: it is pretty simple and straight forward |
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| 14:56.02 | OpenTokix | D4T: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
| 14:56.22 | D4T | OpenTokix: Well, I have a .deb I created with my new kernel but unsure / struggling to adopt that into CD |
| 14:56.36 | OpenTokix | oh, the actual cd |
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| 14:56.43 | OpenTokix | hmm =) |
| 14:56.46 | halflife08 | hello folks, i started a download using iceweasel, but later cancelled it, the cancel didn't suceed. the pause/cancel buttons are unclickable. so i am stuck with this process where everytime i launch the browser, the down resumes. is there an easy way to fix this? i don't wanna mess with downloads.sqlite file yet |
| 14:57.01 | D4T | OpenTokix: yeah, found a link but really struggling to understand it tbh bit out of my league :( |
| 14:57.12 | OpenTokix | D4T: Can't you use etchandhalf? |
| 14:57.18 | OpenTokix | D4T: why are you installing etch anyway? |
| 14:57.20 | D4T | OpenTokix: whats that? |
| 14:57.37 | D4T | OpenTokix: I have some software that only runs on Etch |
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| 14:57.40 | OpenTokix | D4T: its a etch installer with newer kernel (2.6.24) |
| 14:57.49 | D4T | OpenTokix: Sounds good! |
| 14:57.53 | OpenTokix | D4T: that seems to suck |
| 14:58.03 | OpenTokix | D4T: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
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| 14:58.40 | D4T | OpenTokix: Will give it a go :D |
| 14:58.44 | D4T | crosses fingers |
| 14:58.48 | D4T | ty v.much :D |
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| 14:58.55 | OpenTokix | D4T: its nice, I have used it a couple of times on very new hw |
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| 14:59.27 | D4T | OpenTokix: cool, hoping it works... no reason why it shouldnt. Does it have EFI support? |
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| 14:59.38 | D4T | OpenTokix: don't worry, i will look :D |
| 14:59.39 | OpenTokix | D4T: I have no idea |
| 14:59.49 | OpenTokix | D4T: I will go with "maybe" |
| 15:00.09 | OpenTokix | D4T: what is EFI? |
| 15:00.37 | negge | I'm currently testing a gigabit switch I borrowed from work and using iperf I'm getting about 940 Mbit/s transfer speed, although when trying to copy a 5 GB file from a network share I'm only getting about 11 MB/s (using Samba/CIFS). What can I do to improve this? Would NFS help out? |
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| 15:01.14 | verblendet | hi, i have a problem upgrading etch to lenny, following the instructions on different blogs etc., this is what i have done and the output http://pastebin.com/m1b7166da |
| 15:01.19 | D4T | OpenTokix: Erm, Extensible Firmware Interface - replacement for BIOS basically. |
| 15:01.26 | verblendet | how to fix that? do i need to reboot? i guess no |
| 15:02.21 | petemc | verblendet: there are release notes that should cover almost all problems, /msg dpkg lenny release notes |
| 15:02.54 | verblendet | let me try |
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| 15:03.35 | verblendet | ouch |
| 15:03.38 | OpenTokix | D4T: I am reading a fun post from Linus about EFI from 2006 =) |
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| 15:03.51 | D4T | OpenTokix: :) |
| 15:03.55 | johndoe | OpenTokix: give link :) |
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| 15:05.07 | OpenTokix | http://kerneltrap.org/node/6884 |
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| 15:05.18 | OpenTokix | Quote: EFI is this other Intel brain-damage (the first one being ACPI). |
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| 15:05.57 | verblendet | i can see a note about E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room but not fr memory corruption in aptitude |
| 15:07.07 | OpenTokix | D4T: so basically you have a mac that you want to run debian on and it uses efi in bootcamp? |
| 15:07.28 | D4T | OpenTokix: better, Apple Xserve which has no support for "legacy OS's" ;) |
| 15:07.38 | valdyn | !dynamic mmap |
| 15:07.38 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 15:07.49 | OpenTokix | D4T: why? |
| 15:08.04 | D4T | OpenTokix: why what? |
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| 15:08.08 | petemc | i know a chap who did some work on making linux function on those devices |
| 15:08.20 | OpenTokix | D4T: nevermind, im just to lazy to do hazzle like that =) - sorry |
| 15:08.31 | valdyn | verblendet: and /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 15:09.05 | D4T | OpenTokix: Its ok, to try and answer the question... I work for a Apple reseller and we host about 70 Xserves, we now have a requirement to run some linux software and want to continue using Apple hardware :D |
| 15:09.32 | OpenTokix | D4T: is it a high-load thing in linux? or like "some server" |
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| 15:09.47 | verblendet | valdyn, i did all these steps, now aptitude exits with a terrible memory corruption |
| 15:09.57 | OpenTokix | D4T: I think apple xserves is shit |
| 15:09.59 | OpenTokix | btw. |
| 15:10.02 | OpenTokix | have had a few |
| 15:10.03 | OpenTokix | hate them |
| 15:10.05 | valdyn | verblendet: wich memory corruption? |
| 15:10.20 | verblendet | valdyn, yes http://pastebin.com/m1b7166da |
| 15:10.34 | OpenTokix | D4T: anyway, I would just run vmware on os x and run my debian inside of that |
| 15:10.47 | OpenTokix | D4T: should be enough for most, unless it is like mental ray render-node or something. |
| 15:11.08 | verblendet | valdyn, it also crashes when no parameter is given |
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| 15:11.50 | valdyn | verblendet: paste outputs of apt-cache policy libc6 and apt-cache policy aptitude |
| 15:11.55 | D4T | OpenTokix: well, the app will be doing lots of small I/O therefore I was worried about disk performance |
| 15:12.10 | D4T | OpenTokix: Given VMware uses big files for its virtual disk |
| 15:12.14 | OpenTokix | D4T: valid, but I would still give it a try |
| 15:12.41 | OpenTokix | D4T: but you can always mount that part of the filesystem as iscsi, san or nfs? |
| 15:12.42 | valdyn | !etch->lenny |
| 15:12.46 | valdyn | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 15:12.47 | D4T | OpenTokix: Well, it would be hard to simulate load until its in a production environment... didnt really wanna take the risk :D |
| 15:12.54 | OpenTokix | D4T: and not do that io-stuff inside the vdk? |
| 15:13.14 | verblendet | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/m5853163 |
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| 15:13.20 | OpenTokix | D4T: Im just pitching an idea here =), to avoid the EFI-troubles |
| 15:13.42 | valdyn | judd: versions libc6 |
| 15:13.43 | judd | valdyn: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-4 sid: 2.9-6 |
| 15:13.52 | abrotman | D4T: why can't you just install linux on the xserve again ? |
| 15:14.03 | valdyn | verblendet: apt-get works? |
| 15:14.20 | verblendet | valdyn, yes |
| 15:14.27 | verblendet | at least it gives me the help output |
| 15:14.30 | amine | Hello simple question: I am still using Ecth on my servers,, (but it is regularly updated) , a small audit considered this as a vulnerability and stated that software must be updated.... is it true? |
| 15:14.54 | valdyn | verblendet: you can use that to complete the upgrade |
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| 15:15.13 | verblendet | valdyn, with dist-upgrade? ok, i'll do so now :) thx |
| 15:15.16 | abrotman | amine: audit by who? and using what methods? |
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| 15:15.20 | petemc | amine: etch still gets security updates, so its possible its not true |
| 15:15.21 | valdyn | verblendet: then if that is completed and aptitude is still broken there might be a point in debugging this |
| 15:15.27 | abrotman | amine: ask them for specific examples |
| 15:15.45 | verblendet | valdyn, ok, i'll be back after upgrade, i'll shut down my x etc now, thx |
| 15:16.12 | amine | I just verified my software is up to date, and I know etch still gets updates, I am sure they just checked or compared with their version of ssh for example |
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| 15:16.57 | abrotman | amine: we've had people claim the same that don't understand how the DSA stuff works |
| 15:16.57 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 15:16.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/, or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 15:17.09 | amine | thanks guys :) |
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| 15:17.21 | D4T | OpenTokix: I would do, but I fear my NFS server / network isn't fast enough! |
| 15:17.31 | OpenTokix | D4T: ok |
| 15:17.43 | D4T | abrotman: Firmware on the Xserve predominantly |
| 15:17.47 | OpenTokix | D4T: fair enough - no idea about the volume in question |
| 15:18.02 | abrotman | D4T: so what about it ? |
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| 15:18.28 | D4T | abrotman: Doesn't allow booting of any other OS except OS X (sucks huh?) :D |
| 15:18.30 | amgarching | anybody knows what are the files named like .nfs2042139100000028 good for? |
| 15:18.42 | Heavy-D | Hey guys, anybody know of a free tool I can use to scan my Deb servers for vulnerabilities and open ports across the network? |
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| 15:19.06 | nETspideR | hello |
| 15:20.30 | abrotman | D4T: http://lart.ca/DebianOnXServeHOWTO.html |
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| 15:21.06 | D4T | abrotman: thats PPC ;) |
| 15:21.13 | D4T | abrotman: i.e. old Xserves |
| 15:21.20 | abrotman | who the hell would pay apple for an x86 xserve ? |
| 15:21.37 | D4T | abrotman: your mum |
| 15:21.38 | bman | douchebags |
| 15:21.41 | bman | either way |
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| 15:22.17 | D4T | abrotman: The hardware is better built IMHO then most for similar money, plus I work for a Mac reseller so don't have a choice! :D |
| 15:22.23 | OpenTokix | abrotman: one could assume they have servers around, since he said they have 70+ apple xserves |
| 15:22.26 | apostle | does anyone know of a channel for c developers? |
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| 15:22.46 | abrotman | D4T: uhm .. it's the same hardware in other x86 systems |
| 15:22.52 | abrotman | apostle: ##c |
| 15:23.08 | Kk2 | hello, i have an intel quad core, with 4gb of memory, what 'build' i download? ia64? |
| 15:23.12 | abrotman | amd64 |
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| 15:23.29 | OpenTokix | Every day =) |
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| 15:24.17 | Kk2 | amd64? |
| 15:24.19 | Kk2 | really? |
| 15:24.22 | Kk2 | amd64?? |
| 15:24.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:24.39 | Kk2 | ok |
| 15:24.41 | Kk2 | will download ;) |
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| 15:29.43 | Mikey | Hey Guys |
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| 15:31.26 | Mikey | When I see a flash video, iceweasel crashes |
| 15:31.45 | Mikey | I use Debian etch, and I have installed flash player 9 |
| 15:31.57 | Mikey | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.12 | Mikey | I dont find anything the /var/log/messages |
| 15:32.27 | bman | run browser from the command line |
| 15:32.34 | bman | then when it crashes scroll back |
| 15:32.39 | bman | or output it to a log |
| 15:32.50 | bman | iceweasel > browser.log |
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| 15:34.29 | Mikey | bman: shall I pastebin the error |
| 15:34.30 | Mikey | ? |
| 15:35.05 | bman | can |
| 15:35.12 | bman | may or may not be able to help |
| 15:35.31 | Mikey | bman: http://www.pastebin.ca/1369186 |
| 15:35.40 | Gun_Smoke | wondering about crons behavior. say I have cron run a script twice a day, 6 hrs apart well say a backup across the network, if the 1 script is still running when the second instance should start, how does cron handle it? Does it wait in a queue or skipped all together? |
| 15:36.09 | caraconan | Hi. I'm planning to have two servers: one for applications and the other one for store data. I have mounted via sshfs the data_server partitions but I notice I wil be in troubles with permissions, because if I do a 'ls -la' with the root user, I see ??? in permisions. The other option is nfs, but I readed it's deprecated. Another solution? |
| 15:36.18 | bman | it runs simultaneously i bet |
| 15:36.29 | petemc | Gun_Smoke: it will attempt to start the second instance, it has no smarts |
| 15:36.43 | Gun_Smoke | ah.. stupid cron.. D) |
| 15:36.59 | bman | there is a way to do it though |
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| 15:37.18 | bman | have it run a script which locks a .lock file if running |
| 15:37.23 | bman | if running then fail |
| 15:37.24 | caraconan | <Gun_Smoke> you should create a backup.pid file, and inside the script, put a if condition to do not start until the other instance has finished |
| 15:37.32 | bman | heh |
| 15:37.35 | caraconan | :) |
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| 15:37.44 | bman | tips hat |
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| 15:38.11 | Gun_Smoke | right.. I thought of that.. I was just curious how cron might handle it itself.. |
| 15:38.52 | Gun_Smoke | on daily backup is more than enough for my purposes. but good knowledge anyhow.. |
| 15:38.54 | bman | there are other cron replacements that might help you better as well |
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| 15:39.25 | bman | waiting on that pastebin mikey |
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| 15:39.55 | kunal | hey. does debian support blackberry? |
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| 15:40.14 | jpinx | I'm suffering slow scrolling in iceweasel and I've seen quite a few others comment. There's nothing in the debian wiki to fix this. Anyone got any pointers? |
| 15:40.40 | bman | mikey> run ipcs |
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| 15:41.02 | bman | wait |
| 15:41.03 | bman | no |
| 15:41.05 | bman | screw that |
| 15:41.19 | bman | its a problem displaying due to a error in X |
| 15:41.25 | Gun_Smoke | jpinx, flash related by chance? |
| 15:41.40 | jpinx | Gun_Smoke: no - it's on allwebpages |
| 15:41.44 | kunal | hey |
| 15:41.49 | kunal | do i need to idenitfy myself? |
| 15:41.50 | caraconan | [Solved] I have to add the 'allow_other' flag, well, first of all edit /etc/fuse.conf |
| 15:41.54 | bman | Mikey, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:42.03 | Gun_Smoke | jpinx, so you have smooth scrolling enabled? |
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| 15:42.28 | jpinx | Gun_Smoke: I've tried both with no apparent difference |
| 15:42.35 | Mikey | bman: anything specfic I can grep ? |
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| 15:42.57 | bman | (EE) |
| 15:43.11 | Gun_Smoke | jpinx, and have you had a look at top to see if perhaps iw is hanging up at all? |
| 15:43.41 | jpinx | Gun_Smoke: it's not hanging - it's just scrolling slowly and jerkily |
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| 15:44.04 | Mikey | bman: there is only 1 related to AIGLX |
| 15:44.29 | jpinx | Gun_Smoke: especially if I use the mouse-wheel |
| 15:44.50 | bman | thats probably it Mikey |
| 15:44.53 | bman | google it |
| 15:45.00 | Mikey | bman: will this be solved if I use flash player 7 |
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| 15:45.09 | bman | a non broken X would have no (EE) in the log |
| 15:45.15 | Mikey | anyone has a link to download flash player 7 |
| 15:45.29 | bman | nope |
| 15:45.38 | Mikey | bman: maybe I will disable comosite manager in xorg.conf |
| 15:45.43 | Gun_Smoke | jpinx, right, but I was wondering if it was at it's limits.. perhaps you could backup you bookmarks>organize>export rm ~/.mozilla and aptitude reinstall iceweasel might get you somewhere quickly.. |
| 15:45.43 | Mikey | composite* |
| 15:45.45 | bman | go to adobe.com and download it |
| 15:45.55 | jpinx | Gun_Smoke: it will PgUp or PgDn happily, but scrolling is painful |
| 15:45.59 | bman | no luck on google of the error? |
| 15:46.01 | Mikey | bman: it only links to 10 |
| 15:46.07 | Mikey | not older versions |
| 15:46.53 | Gun_Smoke | jpinx, I also suggest foxmarks to keep those bookmarks around for you.. |
| 15:47.22 | jpinx | Gun_Smoke: ok - I'll do a backup/purge/reinstall and see what happens, but it might be my old hardware |
| 15:47.34 | jpinx | looks for foxmarks |
| 15:47.47 | Mikey | bman: I have removed load "glx" from Xorg.conf |
| 15:47.51 | Mikey | that should be it |
| 15:48.07 | Mikey | Let me restart X and try once more |
| 15:48.09 | Mikey | brb |
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| 15:48.36 | Gun_Smoke | jpinx, theres a good reason to upgrade.. lol.. my scrolling isn't fast enough.. lol.. |
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| 15:49.13 | kunal | anyone good with using finch? |
| 15:49.27 | kunal | how do u move from account list to buddly ist? |
| 15:49.36 | Gun_Smoke | been a while since I've been around real old hardware.. I have a very old laptop sitting around doing nothing.. something like 16M mem 500MB hdd. |
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| 15:49.52 | bman | install linux! |
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| 15:50.22 | Gun_Smoke | bman, I know right.. I don't have any 3.5 floppies.. |
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| 15:50.37 | bman | usb? |
| 15:50.39 | Gun_Smoke | actually I don't have anything to write 3.5 floppies.. |
| 15:50.55 | Gun_Smoke | Nope. and won't boot from CD.. I think it's the first laptop built.. lol |
| 15:50.57 | bman | pcmcia usb |
| 15:51.03 | bman | buy it |
| 15:51.07 | kunal | anyone here using finch? |
| 15:51.11 | Gun_Smoke | blh.. not worth the money |
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| 15:51.24 | bman | cat5? netboot |
| 15:51.32 | Gun_Smoke | nope.. modem |
| 15:51.41 | bman | pcmcia network card |
| 15:51.52 | Gun_Smoke | nope, pcmcia modem. |
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| 15:52.08 | bman | can get one for like less than 5$ on ebay |
| 15:52.33 | Gun_Smoke | I'd rather have another 2G flash drive running knoppix or something.. |
| 15:52.46 | bman | do it |
| 15:53.36 | Gun_Smoke | one's enough.. I also have the business card gNewSense on the way.. |
| 15:54.01 | kunal | hello. anyone here? |
| 15:54.21 | Gun_Smoke | Although I must say knoppix on flash is kick ass.. I have no idea why I never looked into that before.. |
| 15:54.44 | Gun_Smoke | I gave debian a go, but I couldn't achieve what I was after.. |
| 15:55.20 | Gun_Smoke | kunal, lots of people are here... 975 to be exact.. and no one at the moment seem to know a thing about finch.. |
| 15:55.44 | kunal | ok gun_smoke thanks for responding. |
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| 15:58.15 | Gun_Smoke | kunal, i have no idea what it is.. look through this.. http://tinyurl.com/ccmn4t |
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| 16:01.24 | SerajewelKS | Gun_Smoke: try #pidgin? |
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| 16:01.51 | Gun_Smoke | SerajewelKS, I don't like birds. |
| 16:02.05 | SerajewelKS | Gun_Smoke: well if you want finch help and nobody is here... |
| 16:02.14 | jpinx | kunal: did you install it without dependencies? |
| 16:02.31 | SerajewelKS | ah, kunal was the one asking about finch |
| 16:02.36 | Gun_Smoke | SerajewelKS, read your scroll back.. I don't need it or even know what it is.. |
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| 16:04.29 | Pinchiukas | Ok so if I use the rndis_wlan driver, I can't set up wpa2 because the device only works in ad-hoc mode? |
| 16:05.12 | ajavid | hey guys |
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| 16:05.39 | ajavid | I am looking for a pastebin server software in debian, I don't know of any and searching isn't being too helpful |
| 16:05.42 | ajavid | any ideas? |
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| 16:05.47 | ajavid | what does paste.debian.net use? |
| 16:05.54 | ajavid | is this available?pacakged? |
| 16:06.32 | jpinx | ajavid: write your own |
| 16:06.38 | ajavid | are you crazy |
| 16:06.43 | ajavid | I don't have to to spend on that |
| 16:06.50 | ajavid | and no don't answer that |
| 16:06.53 | ajavid | you're not crazy |
| 16:07.03 | jpinx | ajavid: it is a simple php page |
| 16:07.24 | ajavid | no I want an actual one |
| 16:07.26 | ajavid | a good one |
| 16:07.30 | jpinx | even I could do that if I could be bothered |
| 16:07.31 | ajavid | not a crappy one, I only make crap app |
| 16:07.34 | abrotman | ajavid: looks like pastezone ? |
| 16:07.40 | abrotman | maybe .. or ask the admin |
| 16:07.45 | ajavid | ok |
| 16:07.51 | ajavid | let me see |
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| 16:08.14 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure formorer is on oftc |
| 16:08.34 | icebrain | ajavid: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?help=1 has the source (GPL) |
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| 16:08.50 | ajavid | thanks |
| 16:08.56 | ajavid | duh, I shoulda thought of that |
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| 16:10.29 | caraconan | There are some way to mount the sshfs partitions at boot time? In my case the server first mount disks and after up network |
| 16:11.00 | jpinx | caraconan: an entry in /etc/fstab will do that |
| 16:11.14 | Pinchiukas | I use the rndis_wlan driver, I can't set up wpa2 because the device only works in ad-hoc mode? |
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| 16:11.18 | caraconan | No, in the log writes something like 'connection reset by peer' |
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| 16:11.53 | jpinx | caraconan: your connection is not coming up first? |
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| 16:12.19 | caraconan | No: first mount partitions, then up network |
| 16:13.34 | jpinx | caraconan: you could write a short script to be executed at userlogin time |
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| 16:14.11 | caraconan | Yes, I'm wondering about, and for this reason I asked here |
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| 16:14.18 | caraconan | Thanks <jpinx> |
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| 16:14.41 | jpinx | caraconan: look in the config of the desktop or window manager you are using |
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| 16:15.17 | caraconan | Ok |
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| 16:18.09 | R_Dragon | I tanked a previous installation of debian by doing something stupid. I just need that drive mounted. sounds simple... not. I keep getting unknown filesystem error "lvm2pv unknown" |
| 16:18.35 | petemc | R_Dragon: were you using lvm before? |
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| 16:18.40 | R_Dragon | yes |
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| 16:18.47 | petemc | you should probably mention that |
| 16:18.53 | petemc | run vgs |
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| 16:21.04 | R_Dragon | what does that do? |
| 16:21.14 | petemc | does it find anything? |
| 16:21.24 | R_Dragon | crystalpalace 1 6 0 wz--n- 297.85G 0 |
| 16:21.35 | petemc | vgchange -ay |
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| 16:22.35 | R_Dragon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:22.46 | petemc | lvs |
| 16:23.00 | petemc | you should now be able to mount the stuff in /dev/mapper/ |
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| 16:23.39 | uriahheep | hmm, how can i upgrade xorg to 7.4? |
| 16:24.05 | uriahheep | i tried apt-get -t experimental install xorg, but that only updated one single package :S |
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| 16:35.12 | jelly | uriahheep: what I usually do, is explicitely install xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-video-{intel,radeon} (depending on the machine), and libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 16:35.13 | vaq | In what package do I find the bt (backtrace cmd) |
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| 16:35.22 | vaq | dpkg: apt-file |
| 16:35.22 | dpkg | [apt-file] a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
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| 16:40.39 | stillstupidone | what device do i mount? |
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| 16:42.26 | phantomcircuit | http://paste.debian.net/31235/plain/31235 |
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| 16:42.30 | phantomcircuit | adding myself to the fuse group did not fix the problem |
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| 16:45.16 | stillstupidone | figured it out... |
| 16:45.18 | stillstupidone | thanks |
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| 16:47.17 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 16:48.08 | oznt | someone has idea why ldap users can't write on shared mount ? |
| 16:49.03 | sylar | what do I do if I have duplicate lvm2 names? |
| 16:49.19 | sylar | I made a backup and I want to get something from it |
| 16:49.28 | sylar | but it is the same name as my system |
| 16:53.17 | pipegeek | sylar: one thing you can do is rename your existing vg |
| 16:53.22 | pipegeek | man vgrename |
| 16:54.19 | mikeyjk | I can't remember my debian user/pass. I just finished installing debian on mah ps3 then :S |
| 16:54.43 | sylar | pipegeek, can I rename the backup that isnt mounted? |
| 16:55.06 | stew | mikeyjk: /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 16:55.10 | pipegeek | mikeyjk: if you didn't password-protect grub, you can do something silly like booting with init=/bin/bash |
| 16:55.12 | pipegeek | instant root |
| 16:55.29 | pipegeek | set a new pass, reboot |
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| 16:56.03 | mikeyjk | pipegek, I set one during the install process |
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| 16:56.11 | CharminTheMoose | question: I have a mic, and for some reason there is a lot of white noise in the recordings. I.E they're unusable, what settings can I change to remove white noise? |
| 16:56.33 | mikeyjk | Audio recording software? Tweak input settings? |
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| 16:57.08 | mikeyjk | oh stew, what is /msg dpkg ifrp? |
| 16:57.20 | mikeyjk | I missed it the text in mirc is inundating :| |
| 16:57.34 | pipegeek | mikeyjk: hmm. Well, then boot with a livecd and mount the hdd |
| 16:57.41 | stew | mikeyjk: a command to type into irc to request the bot named "dpkg" to give you information about "i forgot roots password" |
| 16:57.47 | pipegeek | mikeyjk: you can always get in, unless the drive's encrypted ;) |
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| 16:58.08 | pipegeek | mikeyjk: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt; chroot /mnt; passwd root |
| 16:58.14 | pipegeek | (as root) |
| 16:58.21 | pipegeek | then reboot |
| 16:58.32 | mikeyjk | will that work under ps3? |
| 16:58.33 | halflife08 | hello any know a good document on the current linux kernel i/o subsystem? not looking for code explanation, for design, overview and tuning |
| 16:58.38 | mikeyjk | Massive linux noob :S |
| 16:58.44 | pipegeek | mikeyjk: should. and np :) |
| 16:58.48 | mikeyjk | : D |
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| 16:59.03 | mikeyjk | hey halflife, I found a really cool image of linux recently which may be helpful |
| 16:59.05 | mikeyjk | hold on a tick |
| 16:59.48 | mikeyjk | http://www.makelinux.net/kernel_map_intro |
| 16:59.50 | mikeyjk | not sure if it is exactly |
| 16:59.52 | mikeyjk | what you mean |
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| 17:00.00 | mikeyjk | but I saved the image incase I ever want to learn moar :3 |
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| 17:00.36 | dury | I'm trying to install NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.29-pkg#.run in debian lenny 32bits for nvidia geforce 8 8800 card.... I've got an error that says: "The CC version check failed. The compiler used to compile the kernel (gcc 4.1) doesn't exactly match the cuurent compiler (gcc 4.3). The Linux 2.6 kernel module loader rejects kernel modules built with a version of gcc that doesn't exactly match... |
| 17:00.36 | pipegeek | oh, and mikeyjk, he was telling you to type '/msg dpkg ifrp' into your irc window. dpkg is a bot. It'll respond with a message describing one way to reset your root passwd. |
| 17:00.37 | dury | ...that of the compiler used to build the running kernel |
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| 17:00.47 | halflife08 | mikeyjk: thanks for the link, i have seen image before, i am looking for writeups or rather what algo's are being used etc, |
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| 17:01.32 | mikeyjk | Ah ok |
| 17:01.33 | CharminTheMoose | anyone? |
| 17:01.59 | uwjweq | dury: You should if it is possible in any way use module-assistant or a pre compiled kernel module. |
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| 17:02.50 | uwjweq | CharminTheMoose: Buy a mic > 5 €. |
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| 17:03.16 | CharminTheMoose | uwjweq, heh, it is. |
| 17:03.31 | CharminTheMoose | but, the mike works fine in windows though.. |
| 17:03.43 | CharminTheMoose | so why am I getting epic amounts of white noise under debian? |
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| 17:04.09 | moulik | i am getting a Cannot find plugin: /home/students/moulik/.local//lib/scribus/plugins//libnewfromtemplateplugin.so.0.0.0: undefined symbol: _ZN8ScPlugin19newPrefsPanelWidgetEP7QWidgetRP10PrefsPanelR7QStringR7QPixmap |
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| 17:04.17 | uwjweq | CharminTheMoose What sound server are you using? |
| 17:04.19 | Mindi | Hi |
| 17:04.31 | moulik | the same pixmap error occurs for all other scribus plugins... any ideas why?? |
| 17:04.41 | CharminTheMoose | uwjweq, alsa |
| 17:04.44 | maligor | CharminTheMoose, it's the Debian Enhanced Value System for Audio Protection |
| 17:04.59 | CharminTheMoose | maligor, haha |
| 17:05.11 | maligor | you should check your mixer settings, some settings cause white noise |
| 17:05.28 | maligor | also most consumer cards don't have that great inputs |
| 17:05.30 | Mindi | Wath's your name? |
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| 17:05.37 | CharminTheMoose | maligor, yeah, I've been fiddling around them.. to no avail |
| 17:06.22 | dury | uwjweq: could you drive me... if you are not busy... I would really appreciate that |
| 17:06.33 | uwjweq | CharminTheMoose maybe you have a TV running without antenae somewhere, they produce such white noise then. |
| 17:06.48 | dury | uwjweq: what should I do next |
| 17:07.14 | uwjweq | There are some very compleate tutorials I try to find you one. |
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| 17:08.34 | uwjweq | dury: I think that should do the trick http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Usemodule-assistant |
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| 17:09.24 | uwjweq | dury: Although the first time is always scary and painfull. It got quite easy though today. |
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| 17:11.40 | phantomcircuit | adding myself to the fuse group did not fix the problem |
| 17:11.41 | phantomcircuit | http://paste.debian.net/31235/plain/31235 |
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| 17:12.41 | enouf | dury: your .run is old, the 1st lenny releases (or just prior to release) did still use the 4.1.x prerelease gcc compiler - that version was soon changed to 4.3.x either just prior to release or, just after |
| 17:13.10 | johndoe | someone mentioned a script used for pasting to sites like pastebin, how can i install it |
| 17:13.22 | CharminTheMoose | uwjweq, but why would that cause white noise under linux, but not windows? |
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| 17:14.10 | uwjweq | CharminTheMoose: I am sure it is a Direct X10 Mic. |
| 17:14.37 | CharminTheMoose | uwjweq, *riiiight* |
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| 17:15.00 | dury | :/home/jcblack# apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common |
| 17:15.02 | dury | Reading package lists... Done |
| 17:15.03 | dury | Building dependency tree |
| 17:15.05 | dury | Reading state information... Done |
| 17:15.06 | dury | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common |
| 17:15.15 | uwjweq | CharminTheMoose: Have you tried Dosemu and Reactos yet? |
| 17:15.23 | enouf | dury: usually ( btw - cat /proc/version) shows gcc version used for kernel) - but theworkaround is to install gcc 4.1.x, and use "export CC=gcc-4.1.x ; sh ./nVidia..run" or whatever |
| 17:15.25 | CharminTheMoose | uwjweq, nope. |
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| 17:15.48 | uwjweq | dury: Maybe you lack some entries in the sources.list |
| 17:15.55 | stew | johndoe /msg dpkg pastebinpipe |
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| 17:16.06 | johndoe | stew: thank you sir |
| 17:16.19 | enouf | dury: but i also like uwjweq believe in the debian m-a approach and recommend you follow that up |
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| 17:18.18 | erlingre | At work I have a Windows PC that is able to boot from USB. Does anyone know if Debian can be installed on an USB memory-stick? like for instance a 16GB stick. |
| 17:18.44 | dury | uwjweq: which entries in the sources.list |
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| 17:24.10 | wald0` | why packages like pidgin or shc are not in lenny ? |
| 17:24.27 | cahoot | erlingre: as described here? http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Install_Debian_on_USB |
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| 17:28.52 | Flimzy | Somebody said my name. |
| 17:29.02 | shijitht1 | no |
| 17:29.05 | cahoot | erlingre: or here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| 17:29.39 | Flimzy | flimzy.com's instructions only work for etch. I've had several requests to update it to work with Lenny. Not sure if/when that'll happen, though. |
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| 17:31.20 | cahoot | the second url should do then |
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| 17:38.01 | kunal | hey. how to connect to a wireless net work |
| 17:38.11 | kunal | when i do iwconfig i get my essid name correct |
| 17:38.16 | kunal | but when i ping i get nothing. |
| 17:38.29 | phantomcircuit | did you try dhclient? |
| 17:38.43 | jair_ | hello guys if I have my nick on another computer and want to use it on this local machine how can I kick myself out so i can use my nick? |
| 17:38.59 | kunal | i tried dhclient -i |
| 17:39.04 | kunal | but didnt work. |
| 17:39.29 | stew | jair_: /msg nickserv help ghost |
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| 17:40.12 | kunal | phantomcircuit: is it dhclient -i wlan0? |
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| 17:40.34 | jair_ | stew: thanks |
| 17:40.57 | jair_ | stew: I just found that here too => http://www.newnet.net/newnewnet/nickserv.php |
| 17:41.02 | jair_ | stew: thank you |
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| 17:41.55 | xGeek | kunal: dhclient interface |
| 17:42.01 | xGeek | I dont even see a -i option. |
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| 17:42.25 | xGeek | kunal: I noramlly just run dhclient alone. It does all interfaces. |
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| 17:43.23 | kunal | ok |
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| 17:43.36 | kunal | XGeek: thanks |
| 17:43.44 | jair | good I am back now :) |
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| 17:44.48 | jair | If I am installing X on my lenny laptop should I use the package xorg or xserver-xorg? |
| 17:45.01 | jair | I think that all i need here is xorg and xorg-dev |
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| 17:45.43 | jair | but there is a package called xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-dev |
| 17:45.51 | kunal | xGeek. yeah |
| 17:45.52 | kunal | same for me |
| 17:45.53 | kunal | it worked |
| 17:45.54 | kunal | thanks |
| 17:46.16 | stew | kunal: man 7 wireless ; man 5 interfaces |
| 17:46.43 | jair | so in debian lenny which one should I install to have the best results? xorg or xserver-xorg? |
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| 17:46.51 | valdyn | jair: xorg |
| 17:46.52 | stew | jair: 'xorg' should be all you need to run X. it would install xserver-xorg along with the other packages you need to run x, such as fonts and keyboard/mouse/video drivers |
| 17:47.08 | jair | great thank you very much guys |
| 17:48.14 | jair | it is going, I am planning on using the window manager lxde instead of xfce or gnome kde |
| 17:48.26 | jair | what do you guys think about that new window manager? |
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| 17:48.57 | valdyn | jair: none of these things are window managers |
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| 17:49.15 | valdyn | !window manager |
| 17:49.16 | dpkg | it has been said that window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. To list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. To set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
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| 17:50.15 | jair | right right, desktop environment :( |
| 17:50.19 | jair | sorry valdyn |
| 17:50.32 | wald0` | why packages like pidgin or shc are not in lenny ? |
| 17:50.43 | valdyn | wald0`: pidgin is in lenny |
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| 17:52.23 | holycow | hey guys. i can ping proper domain names but i cannot get apt to resolve things like security.debian.org and http.us.debian.org |
| 17:52.37 | holycow | any thoughts on why apt may not be able to resolv domains? |
| 17:53.03 | abrotman | do host/nslookup/dig all work ? |
| 17:53.07 | jair | valdyn: that sound to be one of the lightest desktop environments for linux outthere... |
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| 17:54.06 | holycow | this is a super minimal install, i don't have those binaries on there to check ... time to download. right. |
| 17:54.15 | jair | valdyn: I will be using the lxde then :) |
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| 17:55.40 | holycow | thx, botched resolv.conf |
| 17:55.46 | holycow | appreciate the brainstorm |
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| 17:59.52 | megatog615 | why does nvidia-glx remove /usr/lib/libGL.so on bootup? |
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| 18:00.14 | ToreadorVampire | Damn, someone told me some time ago that I could clone debian machines using: |
| 18:00.27 | megatog615 | this breaks all gl apps that need -lGL when compiling them |
| 18:00.28 | ToreadorVampire | dpkg --get-selections > packages.txt |
| 18:00.28 | dpkg | ToreadorVampire: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 18:00.43 | ToreadorVampire | Then: |
| 18:00.55 | ToreadorVampire | dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt |
| 18:00.55 | dpkg | ToreadorVampire: I give up, what is it? |
| 18:01.17 | ToreadorVampire | And then there was *another step* to do after --set-selections, but I forget what it was :s |
| 18:01.21 | megatog615 | you can clone debian machines with dd if=/dev/hda# of=outputfile |
| 18:01.25 | megatog615 | simple as that... |
| 18:01.38 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: you keep triggering dpkg the bot here ... listen, do /msg aptitude clone , and /msg dpkg selections |
| 18:01.38 | ToreadorVampire | megatog615> Oh, erm, no - not quite what I meant |
| 18:02.36 | ToreadorVampire | Ah, ty - that was it |
| 18:02.37 | ToreadorVampire | apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 18:03.44 | ToreadorVampire | I knew I was missing the step that actually commits/installs the new selections, but couldn't remember what it was |
| 18:04.02 | enouf | oops; naturally " do /msg aptitude clone" should've been do /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 18:04.34 | abrotman | !tell ToreadorVampire about debian clone |
| 18:04.35 | PeterFA | enouf, oh great, now I have this dude named aptitude harrassing me and calling me names. |
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| 18:04.45 | ToreadorVampire | nm, it's installing all of those packages now |
| 18:04.51 | enouf | also ToreadorVampire you can do "/msg dpkg listvals selections" or "/msg dpkg listkeys clone" to home in on the factoid in private |
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| 18:05.15 | ToreadorVampire | abrotman> Yeah, thanks - had already gotten all of that |
| 18:05.21 | abrotman | okay |
| 18:05.52 | ToreadorVampire | enouf> Huh? Erm ... nm - "it's working now" and I have everything installing that I wanted - so I know everything I need to know :) |
| 18:05.55 | enouf | PeterFA: but atleast aptitude loves you :-P |
| 18:06.05 | PeterFA | enouf, that is true. |
| 18:06.13 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: for future reference .. but ok |
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| 18:06.46 | ToreadorVampire | enouf> All I really needed was a reminder of the command "apt-get dselect-upgrade" |
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| 18:07.07 | PeterFA | ToreadorVampire, I love you. |
| 18:07.20 | ToreadorVampire | ? |
| 18:07.26 | PeterFA | ToreadorVampire, I love you. |
| 18:07.30 | ToreadorVampire | orly |
| 18:07.33 | PeterFA | rly |
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| 18:07.49 | ToreadorVampire | The kind of love between a man and a woman, or the kind of love between a man and a fine Cuban cigar? |
| 18:07.53 | ToreadorVampire | </drhibbert> |
| 18:07.59 | PeterFA | ToreadorVampire, Cuban cigar. |
| 18:08.04 | PeterFA | I'm not like enouf. |
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| 18:08.11 | ToreadorVampire | Oh good |
| 18:08.14 | enouf | PeterFA: quit it please |
| 18:08.19 | PeterFA | enouf, I'm sorry. |
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| 18:16.01 | phreck | Good morning |
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| 18:16.53 | phreck | Im having wireless issues (suprise suprise) Wonderign if anyone could throw me a bone and help me get this BCM4312 Working? |
| 18:18.16 | enouf | surprise? heh - see http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 18:18.49 | phreck | sweet, thanks for the pointer |
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| 18:21.05 | abrotman | phreck: lenny ? /msg dpkg b43 |
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| 18:25.06 | EvilDin | how can i create zip file with password protection in one line, so that won't have to type password ? |
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| 18:33.06 | minerale | apologies for the stupid question: my sources.list says: stable main non-free contrib; and I inadvertanly upgraded some packages by installing curl, can I just apt-get upgrade the system? or should I use dist upgrade? (not sure what the difference is) |
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| 18:33.57 | stew | minerale: you mean that you were running etch? and are now partially upgraded to lenny? |
| 18:34.25 | minerale | yep, inadvertently upgraded libc, stew |
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| 18:34.36 | infinity1 | when a dns server is down, is there a way to have dns on the client permanently fail to the secondary dns server? |
| 18:34.37 | stew | minerale: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 18:34.57 | stew | infinity1: i don't think so |
| 18:34.57 | infinity1 | i notice that when a dns server that is configured on the client is down, then all dns resolution is consistently slow |
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| 18:35.36 | jpinx | infinity1: try a different 2nd DNS server - maybe the one you're using is just slow |
| 18:36.16 | arcnewuss | my wireless works fine with nm-applet, but i cant get it to work manually with either ifupdown or dhclient |
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| 18:36.42 | infinity1 | jpinx: with a good working client, i used iptables to drop all traffic to the primary dns server. after that, anything DNS related is very slow |
| 18:37.02 | arcnewuss | i used the wireless tools for years but my new installation cant get an ip address |
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| 18:37.21 | lepine_w | which directories do you deem with backing up? |
| 18:37.31 | lepine_w | *deem worth |
| 18:37.57 | foetus | kunal: it is not recommended to use pidgin with finch, finch is currently under development, if you know, what you do (i think so)..so why not, but finch is currently not stable |
| 18:38.02 | jpinx | lepine_w: "deem to be worth...." |
| 18:38.03 | lepine_w | doign an rsync / /dest ... ignoring /dest of course ... but proc, dev ... tempted to ignore /var/log |
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| 18:38.15 | kunal | foetus. thanks. |
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| 18:38.40 | lepine_w | jpinx: thanks |
| 18:38.48 | stew | lepine_w: /msg dpkg thinkgs to backup |
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| 18:39.29 | foetus | but i don't wonna catch the development :) |
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| 18:39.57 | kunal | foetus: i think i'll make a pidgin installation too |
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| 18:40.20 | jpinx | kunal: do aptitude show finch |
| 18:40.22 | abrotman | lepine_w: it's ulimately up to you |
| 18:40.24 | kunal | foetus: how would you say i should install my graphic card? |
| 18:40.32 | kunal | ok. jpinx |
| 18:40.37 | abrotman | lepine_w: /tmp/ /proc/ /dev/ /sys/ could easily be ignored |
| 18:40.53 | lepine_w | adding sys and tmp |
| 18:40.59 | minerale | stew: I installed some packages using etch-backports, how can I find the packages (to remove them after dist ugprade) |
| 18:41.04 | foetus | pidgin and especially finch are very good and interesting apps at the moment, i use pidgin for myself in an desktop environment. |
| 18:41.08 | valdyn | lepine_w: mind the x switch |
| 18:41.13 | kunal | yeah its new. |
| 18:41.23 | stew | minerale: why do you want to remove them instead of just upgrading them to their lenny versions? |
| 18:41.31 | lepine_w | valdyn: as in not use the x switch? |
| 18:41.38 | kunal | brb. |
| 18:41.45 | valdyn | lepine_w: use it |
| 18:41.51 | lepine_w | ah, yeah, already was :) |
| 18:42.08 | valdyn | lepine_w: dont have to "add" sys proc or dev then |
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| 18:43.20 | lepine_w | oh ... i was using --exclude |
| 18:43.32 | lepine_w | thought that what -x meant |
| 18:43.44 | lepine_w | then indeed, good advice |
| 18:43.48 | foetus | kunal: if you need an new console app, try the new centerim, i use centerim at this moment in an console environment, and it is very good to configure, you are very fast by creating new accounts, and everything is working well.. |
| 18:43.52 | valdyn | lepine_w: no, -x means exclude other filesystems |
| 18:43.53 | wald0` | valdyn: ok sorry, what about shc ? and how i can know the cause of that a package is not in lenny ? |
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| 18:44.05 | valdyn | !judd: versions shc |
| 18:44.13 | valdyn | judd: versions shc |
| 18:44.13 | judd | valdyn: shc -- etch: 3.8.6-2 |
| 18:44.35 | valdyn | wald0`: what is shc ? its nowhere in debian. |
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| 18:44.59 | valdyn | wald0`: its in none of the actual releases then |
| 18:45.12 | valdyn | wald0`: but judd knows about etch too, so its not in etch either |
| 18:45.20 | themill | judd: info shc --release etch |
| 18:45.21 | judd | themill: shc (utils): is optional; Version: 3.8.6-2; Size: 19.3k; Installed: 92k -- Shell script compiler |
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| 18:45.30 | valdyn | wald0`: err, oops, its only in etch |
| 18:45.30 | dmarkey | can anyone give me the quota warning syntax dovecot in debian? |
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| 18:46.21 | valdyn | wald0`: last update was 2006, so its probably useless anyway |
| 18:46.27 | themill | !dbugs 508109 |
| 18:46.29 | stew | its useful but a gaping security hole |
| 18:46.30 | dpkg | DONE:#508109:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: shc -- RoM (); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:42:02 UTC [] |
| 18:47.20 | foetus | most people are using irssi, maybe..but i would give centerim a chance..:) |
| 18:47.32 | valdyn | stew: useful for what? obfuscation? |
| 18:47.58 | foetus | thats all :):) |
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| 18:48.09 | stew | valdyn: yeah, i guess |
| 18:48.13 | valdyn | stew: hmm, obvously, thats what the manpage sais |
| 18:48.29 | valdyn | "shc's main purpose is to protect your shell scripts from modification or inspection." |
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| 18:49.06 | arcnewuss | thanks |
| 18:49.18 | valdyn | thats ridiculous |
| 18:49.26 | stew | so yeah, i guess its useless |
| 18:49.32 | stew | as it doesn't really do that even |
| 18:49.33 | valdyn | as far as i can see it doesnt even obfuscate |
| 18:49.46 | valdyn | strace would deobfuscate it easily |
| 18:50.22 | valdyn | id have to try, but to me it looks like a tool converting bash scripts into a collection of system("blah"); C code |
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| 18:54.05 | wald0` | valdyn: no, it does a kind of conversion of the readable code to a unreadable one in a c file and then compile it (like HEX code), totally unreadable by "strings" and other things similar things but pretty hackeable aparently |
| 18:54.18 | wald0` | crackeable* |
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| 18:54.50 | valdyn | wald0`: its very easy to decrypt |
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| 18:56.37 | wald0` | so pretty useless then |
| 18:56.44 | valdyn | wald0`: very |
| 18:56.45 | foetus | valdyn: shc, the shellscript c-compiler? it is only an binary loader for the shellscript inside, i have tested shc with my selfwritten cooler control script, it is not recommended for daemon scripts.. |
| 18:56.47 | valdyn | wald0`: its stupid |
| 18:57.22 | wald0` | foetus: what you mean by daemon ? |
| 18:57.23 | valdyn | wald0`: you could make complex shell scripts hard to read if he obfuscates function names etc |
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| 18:57.46 | valdyn | wald0`: but not comparable to how hard disassembled C is |
| 18:57.57 | wald0` | valdyn: yes, but is more work than this automated tool |
| 18:58.01 | foetus | valdyn: as an background app (or script) |
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| 18:58.20 | beto | Hello. I want to build a Debian based VNC thin client network. I would like the clients to boot vie PXE to a environment where a VNC client can be executed and each client should have its own desktop (session) in the server. Can anyone give me some hints? Thanks. |
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| 18:59.09 | valdyn | foetus: its just an obfuscation tool, pointless to use it for cooler control |
| 18:59.27 | foetus | valdyn: it is difficult to control over the processmanagement, some tools see it as real binary, and some as an shellscript..not recommended, imho |
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| 19:00.21 | FOREvERz | hello all, who can say, how to configure locals?? |
| 19:00.41 | valdyn | !locales |
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| 19:00.41 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 19:00.56 | FOREvERz | valdyn: thank you ;) |
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| 19:01.12 | bloody | hi |
| 19:02.04 | FOREvERz | which local in default in debian?? |
| 19:02.32 | abrotman | the one you choose during install |
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| 19:03.09 | FOREvERz | abrotman: but if i forgot??? |
| 19:03.14 | phreck_ | still having wireless issues, ran fw-cutter, had it extract firmware |
| 19:03.16 | phreck_ | what now? |
| 19:03.21 | valdyn | foetus: i see |
| 19:03.30 | abrotman | FOREvERz: does it matter then? |
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| 19:03.48 | abrotman | FOREvERz: cat /etc/environment |
| 19:04.02 | martian67 | !backports |
| 19:04.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 19:04.43 | foetus | valdyn: real dangerous app :) |
| 19:04.45 | FOREvERz | how can i change languane? if i press alt+shift - notging... |
| 19:04.52 | FOREvERz | nothing* |
| 19:04.53 | martian67 | !simple sid backport |
| 19:04.53 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 19:04.56 | abrotman | FOREvERz: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. then logout/login |
| 19:05.05 | abrotman | !tell martian67 about msg the bot |
| 19:05.06 | martian67 | !backports openvpn |
| 19:05.19 | FOREvERz | abrotman: then alt+shift will change language?? |
| 19:05.29 | abrotman | you mean for special characters? |
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| 19:06.24 | FOREvERz | yes.. |
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| 19:07.38 | kunal | hey |
| 19:07.44 | kunal | how to restart system? kill all? |
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| 19:08.09 | klync | kunal: hey! try `shutdown -r now` |
| 19:08.15 | klync | kunal: or `reboot` |
| 19:08.25 | kunal | woops. sorry |
| 19:08.25 | kunal | thanks |
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| 19:13.52 | neosmatrix | hi, someone here has the webcam Logitech Communicate STX (046d:08d7) working? |
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| 19:15.30 | Pille456 | Hey, got the following error msg: error while loading shared libraries: libcupsimage.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. The problem is, there actually is a file "libcupsimage.so.2" in /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 - Any ideas? |
| 19:16.44 | abrotman | Pille456: and which program is giving that error ? |
| 19:17.24 | klaz168 | does anyone recommend a cheap + reliable linux web hosting provider? |
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| 19:18.21 | Pille456 | i try to print with a lexmark printer and cups. cups says "/usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertoz600 failed", therefore i started rastertoz600 manually, which gives me that error |
| 19:20.29 | infinity1 | stew: any ideas to solve my dns primary dns server failure issue? |
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| 19:20.48 | infinity1 | i looked at nscd, but it doesn't seem to cache dns |
| 19:21.48 | stew | infinity1: remove the bad DNS server from /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:22.13 | infinity1 | stew: i'm trying to find a solution for when the primary dns server fails |
| 19:22.17 | kunal | hey. how to copy paste entire text on terminal? |
| 19:22.33 | phreck | ctrl+shift V |
| 19:22.48 | infinity1 | stew: i don't understand nscd. it seems some things use it and some do not. |
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| 19:23.43 | stew | infinity1: i don't know anything about ncsd |
| 19:24.04 | MetalWolf | heyas. are the etch repositries no longer available? |
| 19:24.49 | wrench- | when it comes to working in chroots, is it necessary to mount /dev inside a chroot? |
| 19:25.10 | Pille456 | Hey, got the following error msg while trying to print via cups: error while loading shared libraries: libcupsimage.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. The problem is, there actually is a file "libcupsimage.so.2" in /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 - Any ideas? |
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| 19:29.50 | jelly-home | Pille456: please don't repeat often. is /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertoz600 a script? Pastebin the output of "file /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertoz600" and "ldd -v /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertoz600" |
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| 19:32.51 | Pille456 | jelly-home: hm, it is a program (i guess from lexmark) here a few lines http://pastebin.com/m7449d051 |
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| 19:34.07 | nayx | Pille456: apt-get install libcupsimage2 |
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| 19:34.52 | Pille456 | nayx: already done, is the newest version |
| 19:34.54 | nayx | Pille456: sorry i see you have it |
| 19:35.07 | nayx | Pille456: run ldconfig and try again? |
| 19:35.30 | Pille456 | nayx: jep |
| 19:35.40 | Pille456 | navx: done too :D |
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| 19:36.43 | Brian17 | hello |
| 19:36.49 | Brian17 | i am running LENNY 64 bit |
| 19:36.55 | Brian17 | unfortunately my sound is laggy |
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| 19:37.09 | Brian17 | i have realtek alc662 audio, does anyone have any suggestions |
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| 19:37.51 | Danielss89 | wget -m http://somedomain.tld/some_folder/ <-- this should get all files in the folder.. is that correct? |
| 19:38.07 | cahoot | Brian17: no intervening layer like artsd, esd, pulseaudio? |
| 19:38.14 | simonrvn | man wget |
| 19:38.24 | Brian17 | calhoot: how do i find out? |
| 19:38.38 | Brian17 | i might have artswrapper |
| 19:38.44 | foetus | back again..thunder and lightning other the rooftops at the moment..a short power breakdown |
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| 19:39.00 | cahoot | Brian17: try fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 19:39.03 | Brian17 | i couldn't change my sound settings in kde controls because "artswrapper was missing or disabled" |
| 19:39.15 | nayx | Pille456: tried to run that rastertoz600 thing with strace and to figure out where it tries to look for that libcupsimage2.so.2? |
| 19:39.17 | Danielss89 | simonrvn i've read that.. this was the closest thing i could find to what i wanted.. it says recursively, so does that mean it goes in all subfolders to? |
| 19:39.39 | Brian17 | ok im rebooting into debian |
| 19:40.02 | obcecado | wget -r --no-parent http://somedomain.tld/some_folder/ ? |
| 19:40.04 | simonrvn | too; it'll fetch everything, it's mirror mode... |
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| 19:41.30 | Danielss89 | obcecado i will try that |
| 19:41.55 | Pille456 | nayx: have never heard of strace,just installed it. how does it work? just "strace ./rastertoz600" ? |
| 19:42.15 | nayx | yes theres some option to log the output to a file |
| 19:42.18 | nayx | see strace -h |
| 19:42.28 | MetalWolf | are the Etch repositry's still available? As I no longer seem to be able to download any software to my Etch system using apt |
| 19:42.29 | Pille456 | yeha okay |
| 19:42.40 | johndoe | Brian17: have you tried alsa? |
| 19:42.48 | Brian17 | I tried alsaconf |
| 19:42.52 | Brian17 | and it didn't help |
| 19:43.06 | Brian17 | i have an ati card with hdmi |
| 19:43.12 | Brian17 | maybe that audio is conflicting |
| 19:43.15 | Brian17 | but i doubt that |
| 19:43.43 | johndoe | how do i list installed packages? |
| 19:44.19 | Pille456 | hmm, looks quite strange, it says (and that quite often) "open("/usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu/sse2/cmov/libcupsimage.so.2", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)" |
| 19:44.20 | Pille456 | i guess i should create a symlink there shouldnt i?^^ |
| 19:44.20 | Pille456 | but the path seems really strange to me |
| 19:44.37 | nayx | ENOENT == non existant |
| 19:44.51 | nayx | create that path and symlink libcupsimage.so.2 there |
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| 19:44.57 | gewt | ?! |
| 19:45.02 | Pille456 | yeha i'll try |
| 19:45.04 | abrotman | Pille456: and which program is giving that error ? |
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| 19:46.35 | Pille456 | abrotman: i try to print via cups and lexmark, which causes me an error in /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertoz600. with strace i got that output |
| 19:46.35 | chattr | johndoe, ' dpkg --get-selections ' |
| 19:47.00 | johndoe | isnt there something like dpkg '~i' |
| 19:47.18 | nayx | dpkg -l |
| 19:47.18 | dpkg | i don't know, nayx |
| 19:47.41 | nayx | or if you only want installed packages dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
| 19:47.46 | johndoe | hahaha |
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| 19:47.49 | coniptor | I had openldap working with tls in etch which was compiled against openssl. Now openldap in lenny is compiled against gnutls and it no longer works. Has anyone here successfully setup openldap to use tls/starttls with gnutls as the backend library? |
| 19:48.05 | _Tavo_ | Hello, I have Debian Lenny and the process ntop is running and using around 2 or 3% of cpu and 120 MB of memory. Why is it there? Is it normal? |
| 19:48.25 | simonrvn | coniptor: it's just a minor adjustment to slapd.conf, no biggie... the README should cover that. |
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| 19:49.12 | abrotman | !installed |
| 19:49.13 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 19:49.59 | coniptor | simonrvn: grepped recursively for gnutls and openssl in /usr/share/doc/slapd with no results. Will look further though. |
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| 19:50.24 | brian17 | ok here is the output of my fuser command |
| 19:50.26 | brian17 | http://paste.debian.net/31297/ |
| 19:50.41 | brian17 | cahoot: I ran your command ^ |
| 19:50.55 | hell10 | it has been so many years . . .I downloaded the lenny netinst (140 MB) iso and extracted it, set lilo to run it, but HOW do I configure it to find the cdrom on a hard drive partition rather than a device? |
| 19:51.01 | cahoot | Brian17: so artsd is there artsd |
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| 19:51.19 | cahoot | Brian17: *might* be the problem |
| 19:51.19 | brian17 | is something wrong with that? |
| 19:51.20 | kunal | hey. is cat a short cut for copying? |
| 19:51.32 | johndoe | cat = concatenate |
| 19:51.34 | Pille456 | hmm, that looks bad: now it finds the library but it seems to be the wron one: "./rastertoz600: error while loading shared libraries: libcupsimage.so.2: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" |
| 19:51.35 | brian17 | any further suggestions? |
| 19:51.38 | johndoe | cp = copy |
| 19:51.45 | kunal | thanks |
| 19:51.46 | MetalWolf | anyone have any idea what would cause when you try to download anything from apt you get "is not available, but is referred to by another package.", I have tried pointing at the US instead of the UK repo's but no joy |
| 19:51.47 | cahoot | Brian17: disable it and see |
| 19:52.00 | brian17 | how do i disable it? |
| 19:52.24 | cahoot | Brian17: somewhere in control center - sound-soundserver or such |
| 19:52.39 | simonrvn | coniptor: hm, it just had to do with the certificate stuff |
| 19:52.47 | brian17 | i am using kde |
| 19:53.03 | nayx | Pille456: :/ the lexmark stuff might be 32bit only and your running 64bit? |
| 19:53.06 | hell10 | or could I reinstall sarge?? |
| 19:53.11 | cahoot | Brian17: one added benefit is you get rid of 'system noice' |
| 19:53.15 | kunal | hey. how come cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesnt work? |
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| 19:53.40 | coniptor | simonrvn: Do you know the specific file? There is not a README in /usr/share/doc/slapd. There is a README.DB_CONFIG.gz and a README.Debian.gz |
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| 19:53.43 | Pille456 | nayx: thats true, but never had any problems on fedora and ubuntu 64bit.. strange |
| 19:53.55 | coniptor | simonrvn: Anyway I'll check the changelog and the other files until I find something. |
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| 19:55.27 | brian17 | hmm |
| 19:55.33 | brian17 | i cant find an option to do that |
| 19:55.42 | nayx | Pille456: bad luck hey! i guess you will have to hack something up like running the whole cups server in a 32bit chroot then |
| 19:55.53 | abrotman | Pille456: did you install the ia32-libs package ? |
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| 19:56.39 | Pille456 | abrotman: yes done |
| 19:56.39 | Pille456 | nayx: hm sounds bad... never did that, damn it! |
| 19:57.02 | x1250 | Hi guys, is there anyway to recreate the Wine menu items in the gnome menu? |
| 19:57.19 | x1250 | I erased them heh. |
| 19:57.20 | rgr | Anyone know about planned fixes for the lethal memory leak with lenny WINE and ie4linux? if you leave any ie open for more than a few minutes you cant not close it and it eats up all your memory and swap. Have to kill -9 it. Debian Stable (lenny). |
| 19:57.24 | abrotman | x1250: update-menus |
| 19:58.10 | brian17 | darn it |
| 19:58.18 | brian17 | audio just doesn't want to work properly |
| 19:58.26 | simonrvn | coniptor: the .Debian one. what do you mean "specific file"? i mentioned that already ;). |
| 19:58.42 | brian17 | is there manual way to disable artsd |
| 19:58.57 | simonrvn | coniptor: you'll probably also have to edit /etc/ldap/ldap.conf. |
| 19:58.59 | johndoe | brian17: do a "lspci | grep -i audio" |
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| 19:59.13 | simonrvn | dpkg -P artsd :P |
| 19:59.13 | dpkg | simonrvn: are you using Windows? |
| 19:59.20 | simonrvn | dpkg: no |
| 19:59.20 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 19:59.22 | johndoe | haha |
| 19:59.29 | johndoe | owned |
| 19:59.35 | x1250 | abrotman, thanks but it didn't work, even tried killall gnome-panel afterwards. Well, I'll try reinstalling wine. |
| 19:59.46 | abrotman | x1250: you may have to logout/login |
| 19:59.46 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 19:59.50 | abrotman | unless they changed it all |
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| 20:00.06 | x1250 | alright thanks, I'll try that. |
| 20:00.13 | brian17 | http://paste.debian.net/31299/ |
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| 20:00.16 | coniptor | simonrvn: I checked the /usr/share/slapd directory and there was not a file there named specifically README. That is what I mean. But you then specified the Debian one so I know which specific one. Thank you for the info. checking it now. =) |
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| 20:00.31 | brian17 | johndoe: pasted |
| 20:00.35 | cahoot | brian17: tried google? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/disable-artsd-29505/ |
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| 20:00.57 | simonrvn | coniptor: ah ok, i thought you were referring to "which config file" |
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| 20:01.19 | coniptor | simonrnv: nope, but ty. Reading README.Debian.gz now. =) |
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| 20:01.31 | celthunder | hello, I am trying to install debian using debootstrap and im getting ./debootstrap: line 319: /mnt: No such file or directory i had to modify that line and add `s around the cd part or it gave an error on that and then i also changed the default directory because its not in /usr/share/debootstrap. |
| 20:01.50 | Assurbanipal | hi guys.... i am an ubuntu user for a while now and thinking to move to debian,in order to have a "cleaner" first installation. I am not an experienced user of linux, do you think that moving to debian is good for someone like me? |
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| 20:02.25 | celthunder | assurbanipal ubuntu is the same as debian for the most part with just newer software. Should be ok if you could figure stuff out in ubuntu |
| 20:02.51 | jpinx | celthunder: ubuntu is NOT debian |
| 20:03.07 | jpinx | Assurbanipal: try in #ubuntu |
| 20:03.12 | Assurbanipal | celthunder: so ubuntu is more updated than ubuntu? |
| 20:03.44 | renton_ | yes it is. |
| 20:04.16 | brian17 | cahoot: the mentioned file doesn't exist |
| 20:04.18 | celthunder | jpinx obviously or they wouldnt be listed under 2 different things but as far as im concerned they are very close. I doubt if hes asking that question hes using something that works in one and not the other. |
| 20:04.23 | brian17 | that post is 6 years old |
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| 20:04.41 | jpinx | celthunder: Assurbanipal ubuntu is ubuntu - this channel supports only debian |
| 20:05.02 | jpinx | !ot |
| 20:05.02 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 20:05.25 | gravity | jpinx: Did you even read his question? |
| 20:05.30 | johndoe | brian17: check this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/problem-with-82801g-intel-ch7-audio-alsa-619261/ |
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| 20:05.34 | erikh | hello all |
| 20:05.39 | gravity | jpinx: He's asking about moving to Debian. Don't be an ass. |
| 20:05.45 | erikh | I'm wondering, how do I add a static route to the if-up system? |
| 20:06.08 | brian17 | well |
| 20:06.10 | erikh | I'd rather stick within the system but I could add a rc.x file |
| 20:06.18 | brian17 | i guess im going to install kubuntu and see if sound works then |
| 20:06.19 | erikh | if it doesn't support it |
| 20:06.21 | gravity | Assurbanipal: Debian is very similar to Ubuntu. It doesn't update its stable version as frequently, although there are more constantly updated branches like testing and unstable that update frequently, but are for development. |
| 20:06.21 | brian17 | bye guys |
| 20:06.25 | dondelelcaro | Assurbanipal: up to you; it certainly is more customizable from the get go. Most things won't be different, but there hasn't been as much effort spent in making the initial install "complete" |
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| 20:07.14 | gravity | Assurbanipal: Two things Debian doesn't help you with as much as Ubuntu are getting non-Free drivers for your hardware and getting non-free codecs for multimedia, although both aren't particularly hard in Debian (just not quite as easy as Ubuntu) |
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| 20:07.52 | renton_ | trying to install fglrx i caused some errors on my pc.. and now my old radeon+drm drivers don't work perfectly.. is there some way to auto-reconfigure everything automatically as happened during the debian installation? thanks |
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| 20:08.41 | jetscreamer | use the fglrx installer, put --uninstall after it |
| 20:08.53 | jetscreamer | works for nvidia |
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| 20:09.05 | jetscreamer | your xorg.conf should be backed up |
| 20:09.07 | jetscreamer | in /etc/X11 |
| 20:09.10 | renton_ | i already manually did some dpgk -r ... dpgk --purge and son |
| 20:09.31 | jetscreamer | did you use the debian fglrx? then nm |
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| 20:10.04 | jetscreamer | your xorg.conf should be backed up in /etc/X11 .. just restoring it 'should' work |
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| 20:10.37 | jetscreamer | dpkg --purge includes -r |
| 20:10.37 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up includes -r all over jetscreamer and lichene... |
| 20:11.01 | simonrvn | ugh, hehe |
| 20:11.09 | simonrvn | :( |
| 20:11.22 | renton_ | i currently have two problems: 1) radeon and drm modules don't load automaticcaly as before.. i have to do some modprobe to be able to start gdm 2) now running glxinfo | grep direct, it says it's "off".. before was "on" |
| 20:11.51 | jetscreamer | maybe you need to load the dri modules, but i use nvidia |
| 20:11.54 | gravity | lols |
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| 20:11.59 | renton_ | about problem 1 i think i should set /etc/modules correctly.. about problem 2 i have no idea |
| 20:12.08 | rgr | jpinx: why do you think he is better asking in #Ubunut about the risks in moving to #debian. Try to read the question before reaching for the flame thrower please. |
| 20:12.10 | nayx | renton_: reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 20:12.32 | coniptor | simonrvn: I read it top to bottom and the only mention I see of TLS is regarding openldap being patched to link against GnuTLS instead of OpenSSL for license reasons. No mention of modifying slapd.conf regarding this change. The only outside reference is a bug 465197 regarding subjectAltName. Which I just opened. So not sure what your referenceing. Can you tell me the line number of the comment your referring to? |
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| 20:12.54 | renton_ | nayx: i try.. probably i already tried to do that.. but i'm not so sure |
| 20:12.59 | renton_ | nayx: tnx |
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| 20:13.48 | simonrvn | renton_: yes to "set /etc/modules correctly" |
| 20:13.55 | jpinx | rgr - yea yea - I jumped in from a conversation on another # - my apologies |
| 20:14.06 | jpinx | gravity ^^ |
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| 20:14.15 | renton_ | is this ok? # apt-get --reinstall install libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 20:14.16 | gravity | nods |
| 20:14.25 | jpinx | Assurbanipal: ^^ |
| 20:14.25 | cuba | hi, I'm doing some networking on my host, group VMs together and provide them with services (BIND,DHCP,HTTPD) ...do you think that this is a good topology? " eth0+wlan0 - bridge - taps - VMs " where on the bridge there will be the services ?? |
| 20:14.26 | rgr | doesnt worry me, but there are a lot of trigger happy flamers around :-; |
| 20:14.45 | jetscreamer | don't need --install |
| 20:14.57 | renton_ | they are already installed |
| 20:14.59 | jetscreamer | unless they aren't installed |
| 20:15.07 | jpinx | rgr - point taken |
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| 20:15.23 | Assurbanipal | jpinx: yes? |
| 20:15.57 | jpinx | apologies for jumping in there |
| 20:16.20 | jpinx | celthunder: ^^ |
| 20:16.39 | renton_ | i executed those command, but it didn't add those modules automatically at the end of /etc/modules |
| 20:17.03 | simonrvn | renton_: it wouldn't either. |
| 20:17.12 | celthunder | jpinx: np lol ive done that too |
| 20:17.14 | simonrvn | editor /etc/modules |
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| 20:18.41 | dury | hi there |
| 20:18.47 | dury | :) |
| 20:19.02 | dury | need to instal xgl package |
| 20:19.24 | gravity | urgh |
| 20:19.35 | gravity | dury: I doubt that. Why do you think you need xgl? |
| 20:19.36 | renton_ | sorry for the newbie question,but only having those lines in /etc/modules allow "radeon" and "drm" to be loaded? on the "clean" debian installation I had at the beginning, do you believe I had those two lines? or maybe that modules were loaded because some other configuration elsewhere? |
| 20:20.08 | dury | gravity: for compiz |
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| 20:20.22 | gravity | dury: compiz will work fine with just plain Xorg |
| 20:20.28 | wonderwal | when using ext3 and not calling fsck if it hasnt been called in many days, i.e. having last number in fstab as 0, is this bad? |
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| 20:22.06 | dury | gravity: could you drive me to launch compiz |
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| 20:22.12 | gravity | um? |
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| 20:23.04 | dury | busy ..... then later |
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| 20:24.54 | dury | gravity: busy?... then later |
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| 20:25.26 | simonrvn | renton_: /etc/modules just tell the module-init-tools init script to load those into kernel memory ('install' them) |
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| 20:25.41 | gravity | dury: There's instructions in the compiz package for launching it. Go to /usr/share/doc/compiz |
| 20:26.05 | gravity | dury: I haven't looked at compiz in a long time though, but whatever docs you're looking at with Xgl in them, you need to look at more up to date o nes |
| 20:26.49 | simonrvn | no kidding. heh |
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| 20:28.57 | renton_ | simonrvn: thanks, i leave irc, and i give some try.. |
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| 20:35.27 | infotek411 | having trouble installing debian 5.0 on an asus M3A78-CM, switched SATA to AHCI. looking for the list of kernels and conktrollers supported. |
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| 20:36.10 | OpenTokix | infotek411: raid? |
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| 20:36.54 | infotek411 | non RAID was suppoed to have a 3ware card but i' |
| 20:37.26 | OpenTokix | infotek411: Try to write complete sentances, please. |
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| 20:37.59 | lrt | hi.how can control,what upgrade of testing and which software has been released yesterday,today,etc... |
| 20:38.32 | infotek411 | m just trying to get a deb system on the single drive for now. |
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| 20:39.39 | infotek411 | so can anyone suggest where to find the kernels listed on the netinst debian 5.0 CD? |
| 20:40.12 | vizzy | valdyn, i dist-upgraded now, but aptitude is still weird! |
| 20:41.17 | vizzy | http://pastebin.com/m361f08aa |
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| 20:41.24 | vizzy | hwo to fix aptitude? |
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| 20:41.59 | aiuw | Is there a way to suspend/hibernate debian via the command line for x hours? |
| 20:42.07 | abrotman | infotek411: 2.6.26 |
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| 20:42.30 | infotek411 | it appears there is only one kernel and an 11MB initial ramdisk! |
| 20:42.40 | abrotman | infotek411: and what? |
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| 20:43.00 | lrt | hi.how can control,what upgrade of testing and which software has been released yesterday,today,etc... |
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| 20:43.31 | infotek411 | am I to assume that my choices are the std modules for 2.6.26 (initrd modules) |
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| 20:45.53 | arcnewuss | how can i auto start program at logon with my window manager |
| 20:46.22 | vizzy | how can i tell apt-get install to force a reinstall of my screwed up aptitude after a debian etch to lenny dist-upgrade? http://pastebin.com/m361f08aa |
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| 20:46.56 | vizzy | is there a force option to apt-get? |
| 20:47.03 | vizzy | force-reinstall? |
| 20:47.06 | fastidio | -f |
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| 20:47.26 | fastidio | i think |
| 20:47.26 | vizzy | fastidio, aptitude is already the newest version. |
| 20:47.30 | merlincorey | !tell arcnewuss about xsession |
| 20:47.43 | merlincorey | !tell arcnewuss about .xinitrc |
| 20:47.44 | vizzy | thats the problem, -f resolves some dependencies |
| 20:48.00 | vizzy | aptitude is broken, but it has force feature... argh |
| 20:48.18 | t_corr | what would be the best way for me to get python 2.6 on lenny? |
| 20:48.26 | arcnewuss | can i start app like firefox, xterm, wicd with .xinitrc |
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| 20:49.49 | minerale | stew: are packages 'tied' to a specific repo? so If I installed them from the backports repo, will they automatically update themselves on the lenny repo? |
| 20:49.51 | arcnewuss | i would do this by creating a file say: /usr/share/xsessions/dwm.desktop and put my apps in there?? |
| 20:50.20 | lepine_w | does anyone use rsync + subversion for backups of a whole system? Has anyone here tried and care to share? |
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| 20:50.50 | merlincorey | lepine_w: what are you versioning in subversion? I just use rsync + tar, myself |
| 20:50.53 | vizzy | lepine_w, rsync is enough :) |
| 20:51.01 | khaije1 | so my laptop's debian_version went from lenny to squeeze/sid over the past week... I'd always had the stable/testing/unstable repos pinned equally, but this only just happend... so what i'm wondering is what does a debian install base it's version number on? |
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| 20:51.16 | arcnewuss | i use dwm, would that work with something like while loop and exec dwm | firefox... |
| 20:51.34 | lepine_w | merlincorey/vizzy: well everything on the system ... so that includes configs, binaries, home directories ... |
| 20:51.44 | merlincorey | lepine_w: yeah we're talking about the same |
| 20:51.52 | lepine_w | i just like the idea of versionning for backups |
| 20:52.59 | jpinx | khaije1: did you have "lenny" in your sources.list - or "stable" |
| 20:52.59 | merlincorey | lepine_w: what are you *versioning* in SVN via *diff*? |
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| 20:52.59 | lepine_w | nothing via diff directly ... |
| 20:52.59 | vizzy | seems my aptitude is fucked up, i did apt-get install --reinstall aptitude and it reinstalls, but it again has a weird output |
| 20:52.59 | merlincorey | lepine_w: then what do you need svn for? |
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| 20:52.59 | lepine_w | the diff is done via rsync to a ghost copy of the system .. which is under svn ... then just commit |
| 20:52.59 | lepine_w | merlincorey: the for versionning, eg, history |
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| 20:53.32 | vizzy | what does the {u} mean here? is this ok, or is it screwed? gcc-3.4-base{u} |
| 20:53.45 | vizzy | it didnt show that before |
| 20:54.15 | khaije1 | jpinx: it was installed as lenny but i changed them all the distro-state names when i added testing and unstable |
| 20:54.40 | khaije1 | *...changed them all _to_ distro-state names... |
| 20:54.46 | jpinx | khaije1: that's probably where the mistake came from |
| 20:55.17 | jpinx | khaije1: better to name them rather than have distro-states |
| 20:56.07 | arcnewuss | ~/.dmrc maybe??? |
| 20:56.09 | jemark | when are the fonts patch that ubuntu has going to be emplemented in debian as well? |
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| 20:56.27 | abrotman | jemark: ask the maintainer of that package |
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| 20:57.19 | minerale | aptitude dist-upgrade is asking me if I want to import the new /ssh/moduli config from the maintainer, what are the rammifications of changing the config? |
| 20:57.25 | jemark | abrotman: sorry |
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| 20:57.57 | vizzy | minerale, you can watch the differences |
| 20:58.08 | abrotman | sorry ? |
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| 20:58.35 | minerale | vizzy: i'm not sure why I would need a new set of prime numbers... or why they are there at all |
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| 20:59.15 | ozdeb | oznt, |
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| 20:59.55 | jemark | abrotman: i'm just wondering if im the only one who doesn't like the subpixel rendering in debian... |
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| 21:00.09 | vizzy | subwhat? |
| 21:00.16 | abrotman | jemark: IIRC it is there |
| 21:00.22 | domas | hi! I selected 'SQL server' in tasksel and it installed PG and not MySQL, why so? |
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| 21:00.47 | jemark | abrotman: where is it? |
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| 21:01.42 | vizzy | domas, because someone decided that sql server means mysql, ... why ever |
| 21:01.42 | abrotman | i don't use it .. thought it was there |
| 21:01.56 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian+subpixel+hinting&btnG=Google+Search&aq=0&oq=debian+subpixel |
| 21:02.02 | jemark | abrotman: i have "grey scale" with "medium" in fonts at the moment which is the default setting. |
| 21:02.11 | domas | vizzy: I wonder, is this distribution endorsement of particular opensource database software? |
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| 21:03.05 | kjdro | hi there.. can someon help me configure vsftpd pls ??? i cant get it to give write permission to local user |
| 21:03.22 | jemark | abrotman: yes, i searched google for it as well... but didn't find patched files. |
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| 21:05.21 | abrotman | jemark: which version of debian are you using ? |
| 21:05.40 | jemark | lenny |
| 21:05.53 | vizzy | domas, huhg? i personally don't like mysql and prefer postgres in every way! it has features mysql didnt have for years.... i can't say why some poeple mean that sql server means mysql, imho it means postgres at least and mysql is just a fall back for generic users... hehe, a bit arrogant, ... |
| 21:05.59 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure that lenny has that ability |
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| 21:06.25 | abrotman | !antialias |
| 21:06.25 | dpkg | well, antialias is turned on and off for fonts by the "subpixel" setting in "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" |
| 21:06.29 | abrotman | that ? |
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| 21:07.50 | domas | vizzy: well, probably you didn't work too much with high performance databases to have such opinion :) |
| 21:08.48 | jemark | dpkg: well, the "subpixel" setting in "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" doesn't make the fonts look better in debian for me... |
| 21:08.48 | dpkg | You are moron #2, jemark |
| 21:08.49 | dondelelcaro | domas: uh... quite a few of us have, actually. There's a reason why postgresql is the default. |
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| 21:09.06 | dondelelcaro | domas: that said, you can trivially install mysql instead if that's what you want |
| 21:09.12 | vizzy | domas, well, i managed a live store for prepaid phone cards, which was simply impossible with mysql those days.... i'm sure postgres was higly performing here, mysql didn't |
| 21:09.15 | abrotman | jemark: dpkg is a bot |
| 21:09.27 | domas | vizzy: 'those days' means when? |
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| 21:09.32 | jemark | abrotman: ok, i see |
| 21:09.43 | vizzy | domas, 3 or 4 years ago |
| 21:09.50 | domas | vizzy: what did you miss? |
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| 21:10.08 | vizzy | and i remember projects 10 years ago we had the same stuff, lock tables, live transactions.... |
| 21:10.12 | domas | dondelelcaro: well, I get it, just strange to see 'apt-get install database-server' aliased that way |
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| 21:10.27 | dondelelcaro | domas: uh... that's not what is aliased that way |
| 21:10.27 | domas | vizzy: you missed innodb, maybe? :) |
| 21:10.41 | Old_Fogie | what command do you run in a source tree that you built a kernel in to call make-kpkg create new debs? I forgot to build the initrd deb, and only had kenel_image and kernel_headers, and would like to get all 3 debs built over (but dont need to rebuild the kernel) |
| 21:10.50 | spamuel | hiya; I'm wondering what the best way is to preserve a certain user:group permission on a directory I'm putting in a package? |
| 21:10.52 | dondelelcaro | domas: its a task, and the default is postgresql. |
| 21:10.57 | vizzy | domas, constraints, views, stored procedures.... well. mysql now has all that... or tries |
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| 21:11.25 | dondelelcaro | spamuel: generally you shouldn't need to; what directory is this? |
| 21:11.34 | vizzy | so, now i have lenny... hmmm, can i safely upgrade to kde4 now? |
| 21:11.37 | jemark | abrotman: http://bekirserifoglu.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/subpixel-font-rendering-in-linux/ |
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| 21:11.43 | domas | dondelelcaro: right :) |
| 21:11.49 | abrotman | did he use mysql and high performance databases in the same sentence? |
| 21:11.59 | domas | abrotman: I did |
| 21:12.15 | jemark | abrotman: i have no idea which files would fix the "ugly fonts" |
| 21:12.27 | abrotman | domas: please try pgsql :) |
| 21:12.34 | dondelelcaro | domas: so claiming that it would work for apt-get install database-server; is kind of wrong |
| 21:12.36 | domas | abrotman: I have tried it, why? |
| 21:12.43 | domas | dondelelcaro: sorry :) but yeah, task |
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| 21:13.10 | abrotman | jemark: i just glanced .. but it really seems to imply that the dpkg-reconfigure is enough |
| 21:13.15 | abrotman | jemark: using gnome/kde ? |
| 21:13.24 | spamuel | dondelelcaro: I'm making an internal special lighttpd package and want to ensure a particular directory is owned by a certain user:group |
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| 21:13.40 | domas | abrotman: PG doesn't have visibility information in indexes, doesn't do online data grouping (clustering), and doesn't have PK information in secondary keys :) |
| 21:13.41 | abrotman | domas: you can `tasksel install foo` if you like |
| 21:13.51 | dondelelcaro | spamuel: which directory? also, I'd strongly suggest avoiding making a special internal package if possible |
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| 21:14.18 | abrotman | domas: it does do clustering .. just IIRC, not as part of the proper tar.gz from postgressql.org |
| 21:14.31 | spamuel | dondelelcaro: I'm aware of this but lighttpd is too volatile for our business to depend on someone else's packages |
| 21:14.38 | domas | abrotman: "clustering" in local data storage, not in multiple-machine-computing |
| 21:14.42 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 21:15.04 | domas | abrotman: with large databases you lose any caching efficiency due to low data locality, etc |
| 21:15.16 | abrotman | and i thought you could have the pk info in secondary .. but whatever |
| 21:15.22 | dondelelcaro | spamuel: well, the entire point of using a distribution is to have someone to depend on. You're depending on all of the other packages. |
| 21:15.33 | dondelelcaro | spamuel: furthermore, you can easily vet every single change that has been made. |
| 21:15.37 | domas | there're few big shops (alexa50 material) that have migrated from PG to my |
| 21:15.40 | domas | and are not looking back |
| 21:15.51 | abrotman | domas: just wait, they will! |
| 21:16.04 | dondelelcaro | spamuel: regardless, the exact directory that you're trying to chown will tell me precisely what you're doing |
| 21:16.13 | dondelelcaro | spamuel: and moreover, how you need to do it |
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| 21:16.46 | domas | abrotman: the only thing what can help PG in short run is SSDs :) |
| 21:16.56 | abrotman | domas: anyways .. tasksel database-server task installs pgsql .. you can use tasksel from the CLI to install tasks .. but i'm guessing you don't want pgsql |
| 21:17.30 | domas | hehe, my question is purely political |
| 21:17.40 | domas | I very well know both PG and MySQL merits |
| 21:17.47 | khaije1 | jpinx: it's not a mistake really, i expected it to happen over time i'm just surprised it doesn't include stable in the description anymore, so i got curious as to what threshold or 'switch' had changed in particular |
| 21:17.51 | enouf | tasksel --task-packages database-server lists pkgs |
| 21:17.51 | domas | can at any point in time engineer benchmarks that will have either as winners |
| 21:17.54 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; postgresql is what Debian itself uses internally for databases, so it's why it's the default |
| 21:18.00 | abrotman | domas: You can only ask that if you also ask why the 'default' smtp is exim :) |
| 21:18.00 | abrotman | alreadyk nows that one |
| 21:18.12 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it doesn't have anythign to do with the dual licensing ? |
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| 21:18.28 | domas | abrotman: this is interesting though, I accidently installed mail server task, then I uninstalled, and debian then replaced exim with postfix |
| 21:18.30 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, there's that too... but since they're both in main, it doesn't make much difference |
| 21:18.38 | domas | abrotman: which was much better decision :) |
| 21:18.53 | khaije1 | jpinx: i'd been using the distro states since install +15mins (about a month ago) |
| 21:19.08 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: unless you're using mysql for some proprietary thing while using it on debian ? |
| 21:19.12 | jpinx | khaije1: if you were expecting it, why are you surprised?;) |
| 21:19.15 | domas | enouf: yeah, I reviewed spec files too :) |
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| 21:20.05 | khaije1 | jpinx: well i expected it to read stable/testing/unstable instead of squeeze/sid , it's not really a problem just a curiousity |
| 21:20.13 | domas | abrotman: anyway, I find that in Linux/OS engineer communities PG is more popular than... say... in high performance database communities :) |
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| 21:20.25 | enouf | domas: apt-listchanges is a nice pkg to review changelogs as installing/upgrading (just a side note) |
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| 21:20.51 | grendal_prime | hey guys you know that fancy little repository picker that runs on system creation? is there a way to envoke it again? |
| 21:20.51 | domas | enouf: not installed, it seems |
| 21:20.52 | enouf | like what? oracle? |
| 21:20.55 | enouf | runs |
| 21:20.57 | domas | btw, command-not-found is awesome :) |
| 21:20.58 | khaije1 | enouf: is there a way to organize installed packages by repo sources? |
| 21:21.10 | jpinx | khaije1: I've helped a few people who were caught out with distro-states instead of names;) |
| 21:21.20 | enouf | khaije1: like which repo/mirror each pkg came from? |
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| 21:21.30 | domas | enouf: hehe. well, facebook is mysql shop, so is google ads backend, so are quite a few other big places |
| 21:21.40 | enouf | khaije1: or as in main / contrib / non-free ? |
| 21:21.41 | khaije1 | enouf: ya somethinkg like the dpkg -l equivalent (jw) |
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| 21:21.55 | domas | why does debian lack command-not-found? |
| 21:22.08 | OpenTokix | domas: huh? |
| 21:22.26 | OpenTokix | domas: I think you have to elaborate on this. |
| 21:22.32 | simonrvn | domas: lack? would it need it? |
| 21:22.34 | enouf | khaije1: hrm .. i think abrotman knows a script that does something like that - dannf? |
| 21:22.35 | khaije1 | jpinx: i realize there are stability drawbacks but this is my testing machine so i intentionally trying non-prod/non-server stuff :) |
| 21:22.39 | domas | simonrvn: I find it incredibly useful :) |
| 21:22.43 | simonrvn | why would* |
| 21:22.47 | domas | OpenTokix: you know command-not-found? |
| 21:22.49 | whye | new to debian, just installed lenny. What is the command to add sshd to boot? |
| 21:22.50 | klync | domas: /bin/false? |
| 21:22.59 | OpenTokix | domas: yes, what is it? |
| 21:23.18 | domas | it is "the program you tried to run is not installed yet, it is in package X, run apt-get install X" |
| 21:23.23 | enouf | abrotman: sort pkgs installed via which mirror they came from? i just forget the factoid trigger |
| 21:23.29 | simonrvn | domas: debian != ubuntu |
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| 21:23.34 | jpinx | khaije1: cool for you, but a bit of a headache for less-experienced guys who get caught have dist-upgraded |
| 21:23.39 | domas | simonrvn: I know, so? :) |
| 21:23.40 | Old_Fogie | whye, apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 21:23.55 | jpinx | s/half/have |
| 21:23.59 | simonrvn | domas: you're treating debian like it's ubuntu |
| 21:24.01 | whye | Old_Fogie: that adds it to boot automatically? |
| 21:24.01 | domas | simonrvn: does that mean "debian is for very clever people, and ubuntu is african word that stands for someone who cannot configure debian"? |
| 21:24.01 | OpenTokix | domas: ok, how do you install it? apt-get install newbie ? |
| 21:24.03 | dondelelcaro | domas: uh... we have command-not-found? |
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| 21:24.05 | Old_Fogie | So does anyone know how to get make-kpkg to simple repack the 3 debs |
| 21:24.08 | Old_Fogie | whye, yes |
| 21:24.10 | verblendet | tried to configure vmware modules: you wanted to use gcc version 4.3.2 while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.1.3, why is that mixed? isnt it dangerous to compile modules with another version? |
| 21:24.15 | whye | Old_Fogie: ty sir |
| 21:24.19 | Old_Fogie | whye, it has to be installed first |
| 21:24.25 | dondelelcaro | (and we also have auto-apt) |
| 21:24.27 | Old_Fogie | whye, that's why I mentioned the install part :) |
| 21:24.30 | domas | dondelelcaro: debian does not, ubuntu does |
| 21:24.36 | whye | Old_Fogie: its installed.. |
| 21:24.37 | dondelelcaro | !+info command-not-found |
| 21:24.39 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 21:24.53 | khaije1 | jpinx: lolz, changes have consequences in life not only in debian ;-) |
| 21:25.00 | dondelelcaro | domas: try again |
| 21:25.05 | domas | OpenTokix: haha, it can be 'newbie', it can be whatever. it is quite useful even for someone who has been running linux since early '9x'ies |
| 21:25.10 | jpinx | khaije1: too true ;) |
| 21:25.12 | dpkg | command-not-found: (Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2.26-1 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 21:25.12 | klync | khaije1: zing! nice one |
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| 21:25.19 | dbbolton | which architecture is a k6 processor? |
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| 21:25.27 | johndoe | why do i get choppy info from aptitude, like this: p ggz-kde-games - GGZ Gaming Zone: game clients collection f |
| 21:25.31 | enouf | judd: versions command-not-found |
| 21:25.32 | judd | enouf: command-not-found -- sid: 0.2.26-1 squeeze: 0.2.26-1 |
| 21:25.40 | Old_Fogie | whye, oh? do you have this "/etc/rc2.d/S16ssh" ? |
| 21:25.45 | foetus | is it a mistake to apply "--disable-threads" at the ./configure line? |
| 21:25.51 | domas | ghm |
| 21:26.06 | enouf | dbbolton: k6-? |
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| 21:26.37 | enouf | dbbolton: the -2 and -3 are -586 IIRC, which wouid mean a -486 kernel |
| 21:26.49 | dbbolton | enouf i mean which verison of debian can i install on it |
| 21:26.52 | jelly-home | dbbolton: i386 |
| 21:27.04 | enouf | dbbolton: the installer will use a -486 likely |
| 21:27.10 | whye | Old_Fogie: yea I have that file. |
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| 21:27.13 | enouf | right i386 arch |
| 21:27.22 | dbbolton | ok, thanks. that's what i thought but i wasn't sure |
| 21:27.29 | Old_Fogie | whye, and is the networking working on that pc? |
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| 21:27.31 | domas | ghm, so command-not-found existed in sid and was pulled out afterwards? |
| 21:27.31 | cognitiaclaeves | I tried to install python2.5-setuptools and it switched the target to python-setuptools and added python 2.4, as it was a dependency of python-setuptools, which I didn't want to install to begin with. What is going on with this? |
| 21:27.36 | domas | interesting! :) |
| 21:28.19 | domas | anyway, it is very useful, for "newbies" as you call it |
| 21:28.27 | creator-cdsc | i am currently using fluxbox, i used the file manager nautilus and now, i can't switch back to the default, how do i do so? |
| 21:28.29 | domas | saves one 'apt-cache search' ;-) |
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| 21:28.35 | domas | or few other steps |
| 21:28.36 | whye | yes, I haven't reboot the box to test but I wasn't sure if debian has its own little tool to add to default run levels like gentoo or something |
| 21:28.46 | dondelelcaro | domas: uh... no, it's been in sid for quite some time, and is in squeeze. It's not in lenny |
| 21:28.59 | verblendet | anyone got vmware compiled wth debian? i did export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 but its still not compiling, using latest kernel headers, ... |
| 21:29.05 | verblendet | lenny |
| 21:29.11 | jemark | abrotman: i will do a reboot to see if the fonts look better now ;) see you later, i will let you know |
| 21:29.14 | simonrvn | judd: versions command-not-found |
| 21:29.15 | judd | simonrvn: command-not-found -- sid: 0.2.26-1 squeeze: 0.2.26-1 |
| 21:29.17 | enouf | khaije1: i know how to tell like which came from dmm, and even how to list all installed sorted by size .. any of that useful? |
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| 21:29.41 | simonrvn | domas: ^^^ |
| 21:29.42 | dondelelcaro | domas: see http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/command-not-found.html if you're still lost |
| 21:29.57 | Old_Fogie | whye, there's two apps to tweakify run levels, but by default, debian installs openssh to autostart on boot. debian default run level is 2. you just confirmed in that /etc/rc2.d that you had that file so it's there. you can simple (if you want) as root, start it now (if it's not) with /etc/init.d/ssh start. |
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| 21:30.22 | domas | right |
| 21:30.26 | Old_Fogie | whye, verify it's running with "ps ax |grep ssh" |
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| 21:30.46 | whye | Old_Fogie: alright thanks again :) |
| 21:30.50 | Old_Fogie | yw |
| 21:31.06 | enouf | khaije1: for ex; if you use aptitude a lot; ~$ aptitude search ~Ounofficial~i (would list all installed from dmm) - if you use apt; ~$ grep-status -F Maintainer 'marillat@debian.org' -a -F Status -sPackage 'install ok installed' would do nicely (install grep-dctrl dctrl-tools) |
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| 21:31.59 | enouf | khaije1: if you wanted to list those from contrib only; ~$ aptitude search '~scontrib~i' (if you use aptitude) |
| 21:32.17 | khaije1 | enouf: hmm, ok |
| 21:32.41 | enouf | khaije1: for size; ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less |
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| 21:33.02 | foetus | whats wrong with "--disable-threads" on the configure line? |
| 21:33.15 | simonrvn | foetus: context? |
| 21:33.15 | enouf | khaije1: there's a script though floating around that should do what you want exactly (IIUC) .. one sec |
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| 21:33.17 | grendal_prime | sorry i walked away from my desk ...did anyone have an answer on the repsitory configureing tool? |
| 21:33.28 | domas | foetus: of which package? |
| 21:33.28 | grendal_prime | That fancy little repository picker that runs on system creation? is there a way to envoke it again? |
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| 21:33.40 | enouf | khaije1: watch |
| 21:33.46 | enouf | !list repositories |
| 21:33.46 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
| 21:33.50 | foetus | simonrvn: no, i mean the option itself |
| 21:34.04 | simonrvn | foetus: only if it's supported.... |
| 21:34.17 | enouf | abrotman: nm, found it - thanks |
| 21:34.21 | domas | foetus: you have to add it, to make it work, usually |
| 21:34.36 | creator-cdsc | i am using fluxbox, i fired up the file manager nautilus. now the toolbar at the bottom has disappeared, how i do i get it back, and how do i revert back to default in fluxbox? |
| 21:34.41 | domas | foetus: it makes sense only for programs that can be both single-threaded and multithreaded |
| 21:34.50 | foetus | simonrvn: i'm not sure, it is an unstable app, and i like to "unsharp" its behavior.. |
| 21:35.09 | domas | foetus: so you think disabling threads will help you? :) |
| 21:35.14 | cognitiaclaeves | Anyone here use python 2.5? I tried installing python2.5-setuptools and it substituted my desired package for a python 2.4 related package, and basically broke. |
| 21:35.30 | domas | foetus: remembers when 15 years ago I was solving compile errors by commenting out the code :) |
| 21:35.37 | foetus | domas: i hope.. |
| 21:35.38 | domas | it worked in some cases :) |
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| 21:36.16 | domas | so I don't blame you :) |
| 21:36.34 | khaije1 | enouf: you are thorough :D |
| 21:36.50 | domas | foetus: there's one program, where disabling threading helps a lot - imagemagick ;-D |
| 21:36.51 | enouf | khaije1: ;-) |
| 21:36.53 | simonrvn | he has those memorized :P |
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| 21:37.39 | khaije1 | heheh |
| 21:37.40 | foetus | domas: makes it sense? i never had problems with imagemagick.. |
| 21:37.42 | jemark | my fonts look much better now :) |
| 21:38.03 | enouf | heh .. almost - they're all in a file, and usually in my searchable clipboard |
| 21:38.09 | foetus | lets build the app, anyway.. |
| 21:38.22 | domas | foetus: well, I did. ;-) imagemagick has nasty bugs where it deadlocks on exceptions |
| 21:38.28 | domas | even in single-threaded apps |
| 21:40.25 | foetus | so lets try the new app -- in a few seconds |
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| 21:41.37 | nick_h[litage] | i have 2 monitors hooked up to a single video card, and i've got the card's bus ID. should both "Device" sections in xorg.conf use that one bus ID? |
| 21:42.00 | foetus | so i'm back -- it works! |
| 21:42.06 | simonrvn | i would imagine they would share that yes |
| 21:42.09 | simonrvn | nick_h[litage]: |
| 21:42.17 | enouf | !dual monitors |
| 21:42.18 | dpkg | For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/setting_up_dual_monitors_system-wide_with_xrandr_on_debian_lenny/, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2. Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr> |
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| 21:42.33 | nick_h[litage] | enouf: thanks, i was looking for that factoid |
| 21:43.00 | enouf | i believe one BudID is one number higher (the external one) see lspci output |
| 21:43.02 | DoubleR | I'm installing a laptop with lenny, and the installer has stopped on "Preparing java-gvj-compat" ... what should I do? |
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| 21:43.28 | DoubleR | -gcj- |
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| 21:44.28 | lepine_w | why would rsync not delete because its not empty in the destination ... i *do* have the --force option |
| 21:44.41 | foetus | i leave this --disable-threads, and disable ncursesw instead. makes more sense. this ncursesw is the problem.. |
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| 21:45.37 | simonrvn | lepine_w: --delete or something like that; man rsync |
| 21:46.07 | lepine_w | simonrvn: i already have both --delete and --force :-/ |
| 21:46.38 | simonrvn | what's your command line? |
| 21:47.21 | lepine_w | simonrvn: rsync -x -r --exclude=/backup.svn --exclude=.svn/ --exclude=/var/cache/apt/archives/* --delete --force / /backup.svn/ |
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| 21:48.16 | frog_ | hmm, so is there any way to recover only one partition backuped with dd_rescue? (i have the whole image together and duno offsets) |
| 21:48.46 | simonrvn | lepine_w: and you're wanting to do exactly what? |
| 21:49.13 | lepine_w | keep /backup.svn in sync with / |
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| 21:50.07 | nan8 | frog_: you can use sfdisk to display the partition table => you know the offsets |
| 21:50.29 | nan8 | frog_: but I think there is a nice solution (today) |
| 21:50.38 | nan8 | frog_: ~s/nice/nicer |
| 21:50.42 | DoubleR | What should I do when the debian installer stops? |
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| 21:51.08 | dkr | commence life |
| 21:51.09 | geophoenix | try to install the basic system with no kde,gnome |
| 21:51.16 | mooglenorph | Hello. What would I use to get one config file such that, on a new install of debian, I could get anything that I used apt to install installed automatically? Can I "save" an install record? |
| 21:51.28 | geophoenix | or the bussiness card image |
| 21:51.48 | lepine_w | simonrvn: ideas? |
| 21:52.22 | dkr | !tell mooglenorph about fai |
| 21:52.31 | simonrvn | lepine_w: um, don't you think you need to preserve permission too? (-a, and other options). so what is it *not* doing, deleting old stuff no longer in your source ? |
| 21:52.56 | frog_ | nan8: thank you |
| 21:53.04 | lepine_w | indeed, don't care about perms. Yeah, it doesnt want to delete ... saying that it can't delete a non-empty directory |
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| 21:55.03 | simonrvn | lepine_w: well it should be, i don't understand why it's not. tried looking for a tutorial/doc for rsync to make backups? i know there's a couple of good ones around. |
| 21:55.37 | lepine_w | read a few things ... haven't found anything yet ... still googling though. thought i'd try here in the mean time |
| 21:55.47 | frog_ | can i anyhow mount an image? |
| 21:55.50 | jpinx | geophoenix: just do the netinstall from the businesscard.iso and don't select any of the desktop/laptop/etc/options |
| 21:56.00 | foetus | and it WAS ncursesw..:) |
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| 21:56.25 | simonrvn | lepine_w: try "rsync backup" |
| 21:56.35 | jpinx | geophoenix: you'll get a base system and you aptitude in stall what you want |
| 21:56.39 | geophoenix | jpinx: i don't asked the question i tried to answer to DoubleR |
| 21:56.42 | enouf | rdiff-backup? |
| 21:56.47 | geophoenix | *didn't |
| 21:57.01 | simonrvn | lepine_w: there's some packages in debian that use rsync to do this, like backuppc, and some others. |
| 21:57.16 | simonrvn | that's it, rdiff-backup, that be the one i was thinking. |
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| 21:57.45 | Old_Fogie | frog_, image of what? |
| 21:57.58 | nan8 | frog_: yes mount image mountpoint -o loop,offset=XXX - see also man mount |
| 21:58.08 | lepine_w | giving rdiff-backup a try |
| 21:58.10 | abrotman | !mount iso |
| 21:58.10 | dpkg | [iso mount] mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
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| 21:58.16 | simonrvn | enouf: "rsync backup" was some proposed search terms |
| 21:58.26 | enouf | sure |
| 21:58.38 | nan8 | abrotman: he has a disk image |
| 21:58.49 | abrotman | nan8: how did you learn that ? |
| 21:58.49 | geophoenix | is watching Southpark |
| 21:58.55 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:58.59 | nan8 | abrotman: he askes above how... |
| 21:59.00 | abrotman | geophoenix: #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:59.11 | geophoenix | :P |
| 21:59.28 | enouf | frog_: and man losetup |
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| 21:59.53 | lvh | hi |
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| 22:00.12 | lvh | I can't get an ipw2100 to associate or go into master mode. |
| 22:00.24 | lvh | The only scary thing I can find in syslog is: Mar 23 23:47:51 tweety kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1_rename: link is not ready |
| 22:00.30 | nan8 | wonders what the nicer solution to mount a partition in a disk image was ... |
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| 22:00.57 | simonrvn | mount it like a partition |
| 22:01.05 | enouf | you have to get the offset - parted prints out bytes |
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| 22:01.27 | simonrvn | ohnoz, that's so hard |
| 22:01.28 | enouf | kiso? |
| 22:01.35 | abrotman | really? |
| 22:01.39 | simonrvn | !be a offset getting barbie |
| 22:01.39 | dpkg | Aww, offset getting is HARD! Let's go shopping, simonrvn |
| 22:01.40 | abrotman | kde has a tool to mount isos ? |
| 22:01.42 | enouf | i forget other tools/things |
| 22:01.43 | cognitiaclaeves | how do I install python 2.5 on etch? |
| 22:01.53 | abrotman | judd: versions python2.5 |
| 22:01.53 | judd | abrotman: python2.5 -- etch: 2.5-5+etch1 etch-security: 2.5-5+etch1 lenny: 2.5.2-15 sid: 2.5.4-1 squeeze: 2.5.4-1 |
| 22:01.59 | abrotman | just install python2.5 |
| 22:02.12 | Old_Fogie | abrotman, isomaster is pretty good for iso's too |
| 22:02.20 | cognitiaclaeves | abrotman: : It doesn't seem to include distutils. |
| 22:02.35 | simonrvn | no, it doesn't. |
| 22:02.43 | enouf | abrotman: http://kiso.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:02.44 | cognitiaclaeves | is that a separate lib? |
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| 22:03.46 | adb | !tell cognitiaclaeves about search |
| 22:04.54 | cognitiaclaeves | adb: I was asking because I'm not sure what I'm searching for. |
| 22:04.58 | nick_h[litage] | when configuring xrandr, what should I specify for the --output option?: http://pastie.org/424800 |
| 22:05.11 | enouf | LVDS or VGA ? |
| 22:05.14 | lvh | Here's the output of iwconfig |
| 22:05.17 | lvh | http://rafb.net/p/OgOonl57.html |
| 22:05.22 | domas | mmm, what probe do I have to use for oprofile for it to work under virtualbox? :) |
| 22:05.48 | lvh | Scanning works, I can see anything. |
| 22:05.58 | enouf | btw - lvds == low voltage differential signaling - PCIe interface stuff basically |
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| 22:06.23 | geophoenix | lvh:man iwconfig |
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| 22:08.09 | cognitiaclaeves | simonrvn: You seem to know something about python on etch not having distutils... why not? |
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| 22:11.38 | foetus | centerim final version is nearly finished..without ncursesw . . . |
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| 22:12.55 | mooglenorph | I don't know if fai would do what I want? I want to keep track of everything I do with apt, automatically, and then be able to "replay" that when I do a fresh install. I've been reading through the docs for fai and I don't think it does this? |
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| 22:14.04 | Selveste1 | !XEN |
| 22:14.04 | dpkg | xen is probably an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
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| 22:14.27 | Acido | !info ssh |
| 22:14.31 | dpkg | ssh: (secure shell client and server (metapackage)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:5.1p1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
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| 22:14.37 | adb | mooglenorph: apt-cache search bootcd |
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| 22:16.42 | cognitiaclaeves | How can Python 2.5.4 even be installed without distutils? I don't understand... can I compile it myself? |
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| 22:17.55 | adb | judd: versions distutils |
| 22:17.55 | judd | adb: distutils -- |
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| 22:18.19 | lvh | hello |
| 22:18.20 | mooglenorph | is aptitude-create-state-bundle what I want? |
| 22:18.38 | LinuxMichi1 | Good evening |
| 22:18.39 | lvh | Could anyone point me to the usual suspects when my interfaces are renamed (eth0 -> ext0)? |
| 22:18.43 | lvh | It's not ifrename |
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| 22:20.52 | eaxxae | I'm playing with e17 and I feel like a monkey with a shiny coin |
| 22:21.02 | eaxxae | it's so pretty .. :P |
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| 22:23.22 | abrotman | !kikismite eaxxae |
| 22:23.23 | dpkg | smites eaxxae with ... oooh, shiny! |
| 22:23.32 | nan8 | can't remember/the ellegant solution to mount a partition in a image anymore |
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| 22:30.26 | enouf | nan8: http://www.pixelbeat.org/scripts/lomount.sh ? |
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| 22:32.48 | leon2k | hi! does anybody know how the task switcher (alt+tab) under debain is called and who i can change it ? |
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| 22:32.48 | nan8 | enouf: hmm no - at least not if there is no .deb ;-) - basically thats the variant everybody comes up with himself after some time |
| 22:32.52 | enouf | nan8: dd if=hda.img of=hda3.img bs=512 skip=2313360 count=17719695 <== using dd to copy off the partition only prior to mounting? |
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| 22:33.40 | nan8 | enouf: no i thought i had that experience: "ah nice always wanted that" |
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| 22:34.21 | nan8 | enouf: but could well be that i am completely wrong - and that experience was in fact the moment where mount understood the offset option |
| 22:34.55 | nan8 | enouf: it is just i can't clearly remember - and that bothers me ;-) |
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| 22:35.05 | nan8 | enouf: getting old |
| 22:35.06 | enouf | might you be thinking of a vmware related thing? vdsk? or something? |
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| 22:35.30 | enouf | nan8: trust me - i know the feeling all too well .. |
| 22:35.54 | nan8 | enouf: hmm that could be the right direction, though i didn't use vmware - but qemu and virtualbox ... searching |
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| 22:36.29 | tanjir | hello... i just installed debian 5 (with kde) and chosen Mac interface... i am now stuck... :-|.. how can i change to default kde environment? |
| 22:36.40 | simonrvn | leon2k: the WM does that... |
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| 22:37.15 | simonrvn | tanjir: run the wizard again? |
| 22:37.32 | enouf | nan8: ya know mmc devices end up being mmblk<something>p1 and such ... and many times people fail to realize that and try mounting the block device, not the partition, but dmesg helps |
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| 22:37.38 | tanjir | simonrvn: how can i get the wizard? i can't find it... :-| |
| 22:37.59 | funzl | hey guys, i'm searching for a tool like filelight but only for RAM... i tried 'top' but it seems that top doesn't show all of the used RAM... any ideas? |
| 22:38.04 | TTimo | lo .. hey I'm setting up a new system and it complains about the bnx firmware missing (not included because it's non free) .. should I just get the .deb of bnx-firmware and feed it that on the USB stick, or it's worse? |
| 22:38.14 | leon2k | ok thx |
| 22:38.19 | simonrvn | tanjir: i don't remember, but it is in the menu somewhere |
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| 22:39.22 | tanjir | simonrvn: i found it... thanks :D |
| 22:39.34 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 22:41.15 | abrotman | TTimo: doesn't it offer you the chance to load up firmware ? |
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| 22:41.36 | TTimo | it did indeed, but I dunno what I should be putting on the USB key ? |
| 22:42.07 | pl4yer0ne | hey abrotman some dude "R_Dragon" said thanks yesterday |
| 22:42.22 | pl4yer0ne | I said I would pass it on if i saw you. |
| 22:42.23 | abrotman | no way.. |
| 22:42.28 | abrotman | someone thanked me? |
| 22:42.43 | abrotman | TTimo: probably the contents of the firmware package ? |
| 22:43.01 | TTimo | I can put the .deb on there |
| 22:43.05 | TTimo | it's not a udeb though |
| 22:43.15 | TTimo | so I dunno if the installer can really do anything with it |
| 22:43.16 | abrotman | i'm not sure that will work ornot ... i'd probably stick the actual firmware on it |
| 22:43.28 | cire | My scanner has a max res of 2400x1200. Why is there a difference between x- and y-Axis resolution? |
| 22:43.32 | TTimo | k |
| 22:43.58 | mooglenorph | Hi. I don't understand a particular section of the debian docs, can someone take a look at it? http://pastebin.ca/1369691 |
| 22:44.10 | abrotman | cire: wouldn't it make more sense to ask your manufacturer ? |
| 22:44.29 | cire | abrotman: it seems this is not manufacturer specific. |
| 22:44.45 | abrotman | it's in the software? |
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| 22:45.56 | valdyn | cire: its driving one way, the slower it drives, the higher the res |
| 22:45.58 | LinuxMichi | @mooglenorph: where is the problem? |
| 22:46.06 | valdyn | cire: doesnt mean that the res actually improves quality |
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| 22:47.03 | valdyn | cire: wouldnt be a problem the up the scanned res to 4800x1200 by driving even slower |
| 22:47.10 | LinuxMichi | @cire: This has something to do with the hardware... |
| 22:47.15 | mooglenorph | LinuxMichi: I want to record my system configuration, regularly, in the most expedient way possible, so that if/when I need to install a new system, I can run a script or execute a command and get the same configuration back. |
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| 22:47.31 | cire | so the moving sensor has a resolution of 1200dpi (in width) |
| 22:47.38 | LinuxMichi | @cire: since left-right reading get always a better precission as up-down |
| 22:47.43 | cire | and the speed of the sensor has impact to the other value? |
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| 22:48.01 | zinx | cire: yes |
| 22:48.01 | valdyn | cire: these res values dont tell you much about quality |
| 22:48.07 | mooglenorph | LinuxMichi: 6.4.9 in "Reference" seems to tell me to use dselect to do this, and I'm unsure of the difference between that and using aptitude-create-state-bundle. I would prefer to use aptitude, if it has the same effect. |
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| 22:48.28 | enouf | !aptitude clone |
| 22:48.28 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserve information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall><things to backup> |
| 22:48.36 | LinuxMichi | @mooglenorph: OK, but first you have to do what is written there, and THEN, you have to tarup the whole /etc |
| 22:48.41 | cire | okay. I just wanted to know what the optimal value for scanning would be, 1200 or 2400 |
| 22:48.54 | abrotman | cire: that depends .. do you want higher quality or smaller size? |
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| 22:49.08 | valdyn | cire: or do you have unlimited time? |
| 22:49.16 | valdyn | cire: high res = slower |
| 22:50.06 | LinuxMichi | @mooglenorph: I wouldnt use dselect... better "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" |
| 22:50.09 | mooglenorph | Intetresting. I definately want to preserve aptitude's info about manual vs.automatic installs. |
| 22:50.27 | enouf | !selections |
| 22:50.27 | cire | depends. When designing sth for print I'll do at least 600dpi, so after cropping and resizing etc I still get 300dpi. 1200dpi scanning really takes long, I admit |
| 22:50.27 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup> |
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| 22:50.51 | enouf | apt-get dselect-upgrade is useful there |
| 22:50.52 | DaemonLee | Hola. |
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| 22:51.10 | mooglenorph | !reinstall |
| 22:51.11 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 22:51.34 | abrotman | or you could msg the bot ... or use tell |
| 22:51.36 | DaemonLee | Hey, wondering if anyone can help me find something that fits this criteria. |
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| 22:51.56 | DaemonLee | I'm trying to find a media player that I can control over the network, I prefer a web-frontend, if possible. |
| 22:51.59 | LinuxMichi | @mooglenorph: You can tar the whole /, burn it on a CD and use a mini-bootloader to untar it on the target system including wring LILO/GRUB |
| 22:52.02 | abrotman | DaemonLee: mpd |
| 22:52.10 | DaemonLee | mpd? |
| 22:52.17 | abrotman | stutters |
| 22:52.32 | DaemonLee | Heh. |
| 22:52.37 | DaemonLee | Thanks, abrotman. |
| 22:52.39 | DaemonLee | I just googled it. |
| 22:52.40 | DaemonLee | :D |
| 22:52.46 | CcSsNET | linuxmichi wont that cuase permission issues? :P |
| 22:53.20 | mooglenorph | The method that preservers aptidude auto vs. manual install information, does it also preserve debconf stuff? |
| 22:53.22 | CcSsNET | u will have to specify perserve |
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| 22:54.33 | LinuxMichi | @CcSsNET: I do it since over 9 years... including the current Lenny and even on a current running system it work perfectly... |
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| 22:55.07 | LinuxMichi | @CcSsNET: however, you have to exclude the contents of /proc, /sys and /tmp |
| 22:55.41 | abrotman | watches the battle ... |
| 22:55.42 | LinuxMichi | @mooglenorph: No |
| 22:56.02 | foetus | anyone knows, where i can find an replacement for uzip in mc? such a fabulous application with such an ridiculous plugin..it need hours in unzipping crossover data.. |
| 22:56.21 | mooglenorph | Okay. Ideally I want to save all debconf info, and backup /etc then? |
| 22:56.46 | LinuxMichi | ??? |
| 22:56.57 | LinuxMichi | zip is faster then the hell |
| 22:57.19 | abrotman | has clocked hell at 32.8 MPH |
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| 22:57.29 | LinuxMichi | mooglenorph: it is more then that |
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| 22:58.02 | mooglenorph | What else? |
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| 22:58.47 | LinuxMichi | mooglenorph: /var/cache/debconf |
| 22:59.03 | DaemonLee | Let me rephrase this. abrotman, I need it to play on the machine that has the music. |
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| 22:59.05 | DaemonLee | Not on my machine. |
| 22:59.15 | abrotman | DaemonLee: so install it on the machine that has the music |
| 22:59.22 | abrotman | then control it from your machine |
| 22:59.30 | DaemonLee | Okay. I was just checking. |
| 22:59.57 | mooglenorph | Oh. Good call. So debconf-get-selections wouldn't get that information? Really I should just back up all of /var? |
| 23:00.24 | abrotman | that command should get it |
| 23:00.31 | LinuxMichi | mooglenorph: no not all, but the debconf directory |
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| 23:01.21 | LinuxMichi | mooglenorph: and maybe /var/lib/ucf |
| 23:02.37 | nan8` | found the dmsetup approach somehow works - but wouldn't consider it ellegant ;-) |
| 23:03.12 | LinuxMichi | mooglenorph: However, I tar anything as I have already written and burn the TAR-Ball on CD with a minimal Linux from RAMDISK |
| 23:03.29 | DaemonLee | abrotman, I get an error, on config line 8, with a permission denied error. |
| 23:03.39 | abrotman | installing it? |
| 23:03.45 | abrotman | are you compiling it? |
| 23:03.51 | LinuxMichi | mooglenorph: If I boot the CD, I have a partitione, I can initialize the Drive, untar the archive and write LILI |
| 23:04.06 | abrotman | DaemonLee: what does `uname -a` return ? |
| 23:04.23 | DaemonLee | 2.6.27-11-generic |
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| 23:04.35 | abrotman | DaemonLee: go to #ubuntu for support please |
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| 23:04.45 | enouf | nan8`: i'm poking through the http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/device-mapper/ files, but am now tired - let me know when you finish brainfarting ;-) |
| 23:04.47 | DaemonLee | Okay. |
| 23:04.51 | DaemonLee | Thanks abrotman. |
| 23:06.27 | nan8` | enouf: basically it is: setup loop for file, setup linear map, use partprobe to get the partitions - probably the important part is just partrobe! |
| 23:07.28 | enouf | nan8`: i'm going to eat now ... but ok - i'll look at that then ... |
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| 23:07.41 | nan8` | enouf: :-) - i stop it now ;-) |
| 23:07.45 | LinuxMichi | hehe I am going to bed now |
| 23:07.52 | LinuxMichi | ir is midnight |
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| 23:11.17 | foetus | unzipping with mc is grap. i need a new written uzipfs. |
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| 23:12.10 | foetus | its unbelievable slow on mc 4.6.2.. |
| 23:12.50 | foetus | mc itself -- nice. good work. |
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| 23:13.11 | lvh | Err, did you guys see the six-odd lines I typed about my wifi card? I just rejoined. |
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| 23:14.25 | lvh_ | Bleh, unstable insternet connections ftl. |
| 23:14.30 | foetus | a milestone is the new u7z extfs-plugin, very fast.. |
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| 23:14.39 | lvh_ | Did you guys see what I said about my WiFi, or do you I have to post it again? |
| 23:14.58 | merlincorey | lvh: try a paste bin |
| 23:15.21 | Zharf | I think network-damager in sid has problems with TKIP/AES encrypted wlans |
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| 23:16.18 | lvh | Output of iwconfig: http://rafb.net/p/yL6cCv99.html |
| 23:16.41 | lvh | Problem: I can't get the card into Master mode. Or connect to any AP for that matter. I don't think the rf kill is on, since I can scan just fine. |
| 23:17.22 | lvh | Can't get it in Master means: despite issuing iwconfig in1 mode Master several times, the interface stays unassociated and in Managed. |
| 23:17.59 | lvh | (I want to configure it as an access point.) I've tried the usual suspects (bringing the interface up) |
| 23:18.15 | lvh | The module loads fine and so does the firmware, so that's not it :-/ |
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| 23:19.00 | lvh | The only thing I've found in my dmesg/syslog that's remotely interesting is this: Mar 24 00:35:37 tweety kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): in1: link is not ready |
| 23:19.14 | lvh | But I figured that's what ifconfig in1 up is supposed to take care of? |
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| 23:29.36 | enouf | lvh_: are you sure it can do master mode? |
| 23:30.07 | enouf | lvh_: are you sure specific firware isn't needed for that mode? how about a module parameter? use modinfo to inspect |
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| 23:31.06 | enouf | lvh_: if this doesn't help http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 , follow the "External links" (bottom) for your card - maybe something there |
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| 23:32.04 | enouf | lvh_: oh, forgot to ask, using a custom kernel? |
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| 23:35.06 | sylar | how come that when I 'cp -ax dir1 dir2' and then I 'du dir1 --apparent-size' and same for dir2, I get different figures for dir1 and dir2? |
| 23:35.51 | [kabotage] | i have a problem on building kde4 from svn, it says bash: ../../: is a directory |
| 23:38.22 | enouf | and i've never heard of 'master' mode, unless you mean PCI bus master device capable (DMA), i have heard of promiscuous mode though, and now, i also see rtap stuffs |
| 23:38.37 | enouf | (but i suck at wifi :-P) |
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| 23:41.25 | sylar | are internal SATA disks hot swapable? |
| 23:42.05 | deb-eater | How would i configure i iptable rule to block all trafic from doubleclick.net |
| 23:42.21 | lvh | sylar: define hot |
| 23:42.24 | lvh | sylar: usually: yes |
| 23:42.45 | sylar | lvh, if I can connect the disk while the computer is on |
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| 23:43.17 | sylar | lvh, just insert the power, and then insert the SATA cable |
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| 23:45.26 | deb-eater | sylar, Only if your sata contrller supports hot swapable drive and the drive it self is hot swapable? |
| 23:45.35 | petemc | deb-eater: iptables -A INPUT -s 1.2.3.4 -j REJECT, figuring out what 1.2.3.4 should be isnt easy |
| 23:46.34 | petemc | deb-eater: it would be easier to use something like squid than iptables |
| 23:46.47 | van__ | anybody kows which apps add Laptop category on debian installation? |
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| 23:47.19 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:50.27 | uman | why does debian ship with tiny-vim rather than vim by default |
| 23:50.29 | enouf | i guess lvh_ is unrelated to lvh |
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| 23:50.57 | enouf | sylar: start at linux-ata.org see wiki |
| 23:51.08 | Tramp | I don't see how the list generated by ''aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'" - as the "aptitude clone" factoid suggests, would clone an installation. Will this not miss automatically installed packages for which the manual package, that triggered the install, was removed? |
| 23:51.41 | enouf | uman: i'm not sure, just install vim-full or whatever it is |
| 23:52.12 | uman | enouf: I have; I was just curious |
| 23:52.23 | enouf | Tramp: i believe the !~M part == not manually installed |
| 23:52.45 | Old_Fogie | Tramp, I use dpkg to get the 'selections' , then on target machine, I clear the selections with dpkg, then set with my copied over file. then use apg-get to run the dselects. works like a charm. |
| 23:52.55 | Tramp | enouf: yes, "automatically". Thus they are /not/ in the list |
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| 23:53.18 | enouf | Tramp: i don't even use aptitude - i'll defer to others now :-P |
| 23:53.18 | Tramp | Old_Fogie: actually that's what I do as well. I'm just questioning the "aptitude clone" factoid's information |
| 23:53.34 | enouf | !factinfo aptitude clone |
| 23:53.35 | dpkg | aptitude clone -- last modified at Tue Jan 20 13:03:27 2009 by themill!n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 230 times, last by Tramp, 6m 43s ago. |
| 23:53.52 | enouf | now you know whom to bother :-P |
| 23:54.03 | Old_Fogie | Tramp, ah. I had tried aptitude clone, but found it not 100% reliable, tho it could've been my error I suppose. But I read darn near every doc I could find on it. |
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| 23:55.11 | van__ | adb i mean which apps installed with this enable.... |
| 23:55.12 | Tramp | enouf: "~M" means "automatically" (not "manually"), thus "!~M" is "not automatically ", i.e. the list does not have the automatically installed packages |
| 23:55.15 | klaz168 | im getting this error after logging in, "Network service discovery disabled: Your current network has a .local domain, which is not recommended and incompaitable with the Avahi network service discovery" |
| 23:55.43 | klaz168 | cant access ms shares anymore -.- |
| 23:55.47 | Tramp | enouf: ah, and tx for the factinfo. Will ask themill once he's in. |
| 23:55.47 | deb-eater | petemc, I have figured out the ipaddress of doubleclick .net but can't figure out the iptables sytax |
| 23:56.01 | enouf | Tramp: now you know one reason why i won't use aptitude! (M == Auto , rather than Manual? WTF!?) |
| 23:56.13 | enouf | ;-) |
| 23:56.19 | klaz168 | can someone help? |
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| 23:56.55 | Tramp | enouf: ~m was taken to mean "maintainer" - they can only be 1 char for syntactical reasons |
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| 23:57.30 | Moofius- | I have git 1.4.4.4, and would like to update it, how to do that? |
| 23:57.40 | Tramp | enouf: and aA was taken for "action" and "archive" |
| 23:57.47 | themill | huh who me what? |
| 23:57.50 | enouf | silly .. at best |
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