| 00:00.23 | karsten | What's the Debian Oracle client front-end? |
| 00:00.27 | karsten | sqlplus equivalent |
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| 00:01.02 | karsten | I thought there was a gql or something like that. |
| 00:01.42 | karsten | readline supported. |
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| 00:06.01 | g00se | Something very weird going on here. All my window text (apart from this console) is full of squares, not letters |
| 00:07.03 | karsten | g00se: characterset / unicode issues |
| 00:07.21 | karsten | g00se: What application are you using and on what platform? |
| 00:07.44 | g00se | It's happening with all of them on Etch Xfce |
| 00:08.06 | g00se | I can only see what i'm typing in a console |
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| 00:08.47 | abrotman | TCW: why not use the ones in sid ? |
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| 00:09.53 | karsten | g00se: What's output of 'locale' ? |
| 00:10.11 | karsten | g00se: ... and what locale(s) do you have installed? Might also be missing fonts. |
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| 00:11.47 | g00se | karsten: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 00:12.44 | g00se | karsten: Yes. Maybe my fonts are hosed suddenly |
| 00:13.07 | TCW | abrotman, pardon? Context? |
| 00:14.37 | abrotman | TCW: the .29 kernel |
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| 00:15.03 | g00se | karsten: A couple of minutes ago i found my fs mounted read-only |
| 00:15.33 | cire | i want to do "for i in 1 2 3; do echo $i; done", but without writing "1 2 3". I know there is a program which makes out of "foo 5"-> "1 2 3 4 5", but I forgot it's name. |
| 00:15.48 | cire | can you help me out? |
| 00:16.05 | g00se | datcire: seq |
| 00:16.11 | g00se | cire: seq |
| 00:16.17 | cire | thank you |
| 00:16.30 | TCW | abrotman, I don't see a 2.6.29 in sid, nor any intel e100 firmware... am I missing something? |
| 00:17.09 | abrotman | http://incoming.debian.org/ |
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| 00:17.36 | TCW | abrotman, incoming != sid :) |
| 00:17.36 | Tramp | cire: {1..3} |
| 00:17.50 | abrotman | TCW: oh it'll be there tomorrow :) |
| 00:18.07 | TCW | abrotman, but I wasn't aware that kernel 2.6.29 did hit incoming already |
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| 00:18.12 | cire | Tramp: cool, didn't know that |
| 00:18.23 | abrotman | TCW: it has! |
| 00:18.29 | Tramp | cire: for details: man bash, Brace Expansion |
| 00:18.47 | TCW | abrotman, \o/ praise the lord! ;) |
| 00:18.58 | cire | thanks, I'll have a look. Also thanks g00se, your solution also works fine. |
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| 00:19.12 | TCW | abrotman, but I don't see the intel firmware there either? |
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| 00:19.42 | abrotman | i didn't make it! |
| 00:19.51 | TCW | abrotman, did I blame you? :) |
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| 00:20.14 | abrotman | TCW: check changelog? possibly removed? |
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| 00:21.36 | TCW | abrotman, generally I am a bit confused right now regarding this firmware issue. I am fine with the reasons why the firmwares are stripped of the drivers and moved to non-free, but apparently just for some hardware. I had the impression intel network chips are very very widely used and don't understand why bnx2 firmware is there, but intel not |
| 00:22.11 | TCW | err... intel wireless firmwares are there too, but not fir wired network chips |
| 00:22.22 | foetus | lzma -- back to lzma_4.43-14, i deleted this grap from the website..it works well. |
| 00:22.42 | foetus | uups |
| 00:22.52 | TCW | abrotman, sure they are removed... I think as of 2.6.26 or something |
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| 00:23.34 | g00se | Getting 'debconf: DbDriver "templatedb": could not write /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat-new: Read-only file system' |
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| 00:24.14 | MatBoy | is there a good tool to restart services when they "die" ? |
| 00:25.32 | foetus | ETC/INIT.D :) |
| 00:25.57 | pl4yer0ne | MatBoy, Mon is pretty good for that |
| 00:25.58 | Tramp | MatBoy: monit (maybe) |
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| 00:26.22 | MatBoy | pl4yer0ne: Tramp ok, let me look into that... I kewn about another one... have to check what it was |
| 00:26.26 | foetus | or a simple bashscript, reading out the running procs with ps.. |
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| 00:27.08 | MatBoy | ah, sim ! |
| 00:27.18 | TCW | abrotman, and btw.... I may be blind but... I just see 2.6.29 for ppc and s390 in incoming, not for i386 :-P |
| 00:27.20 | MatBoy | foetus: that is also an idea... using a cron ? |
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| 00:27.35 | abrotman | TCW: so get the source and build it .. jeez |
| 00:27.42 | pl4yer0ne | MatBoy, its ctually monit that I use too, just checked |
| 00:27.50 | MatBoy | pl4yer0ne: thanks ! |
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| 00:27.56 | foetus | MatBoy: no, never. use it manually. |
| 00:28.02 | TCW | abrotman, you may miss my point there but... it's ok :) |
| 00:28.10 | abrotman | TCW: you don't know how to build one ? |
| 00:28.22 | TCW | abrotman, I do, but I simply don't want to |
| 00:28.29 | abrotman | TCW: oh ok .. |
| 00:28.37 | abrotman | TCW: i thought you just wanted a convenient .29 |
| 00:28.48 | MatBoy | foetus: mhh... manually ? but I don't want to login everytime ;) |
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| 00:29.05 | MatBoy | pl4yer0ne: LOL their website talks about screenshoots :P |
| 00:29.08 | karsten | abrotman: Is g00se happy? I got busy. |
| 00:29.15 | abrotman | nfc |
| 00:29.26 | TCW | I am tired of building kernels... I did that formerly, back in the old days... since I did forget why I did it then, I just don't do it anymore :) |
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| 00:29.47 | jelly-hme | WUZ MY KERNEL BITCHEEZ |
| 00:29.48 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:30.56 | TCW | abrotman, no no... basically I don't want a 2.6.29 kernel at all! Maybe a bit hard to explain but... basically this firmware issue did puzzle me and that was the reason why I started digging and asking here |
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| 00:31.00 | pl4yer0ne | MatBoy, yeah because it gives you a HTTP page that you can check status on (but i never use it and had forgotten till just now) |
| 00:31.11 | abrotman | TCW: oh .. you just want a working NIC |
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| 00:31.45 | TCW | abrotman, it's a laptop, wireless, rt2x00, so basically I don't even give a damn about the built-in e100 :) |
| 00:31.59 | abrotman | doesn't get it |
| 00:32.22 | TCW | abrotman, *lol* |
| 00:32.30 | TCW | abrotman, sorry if it confuses you :) |
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| 00:33.05 | abrotman | TCW: you're complaining about lack of firmware .. but don't actually care about the device |
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| 00:33.24 | TCW | abrotman, no, I am NOT complaining, I just try to understand the issue :) |
| 00:33.41 | abrotman | TCW: ask the debian-kernel list |
| 00:34.04 | MatBoy | pl4yer0ne: if you didn't had me :P |
| 00:34.21 | TCW | abrotman, the moment I feel like I have enough info to do so and still have some questions left, I will most certainly do, yes sir! :) |
| 00:34.23 | pl4yer0ne | haha thanks mate |
| 00:34.50 | MrWax | i've just did :u in vim |
| 00:34.51 | MrWax | any way i can undo that? |
| 00:34.51 | MatBoy | pl4yer0ne: would be nice to have this page on a master host for multiple noded |
| 00:34.54 | MatBoy | *nodes |
| 00:35.01 | MatBoy | much better than nagios or zabbix :D |
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| 00:35.55 | pl4yer0ne | You probably could hack it together but i like the simplicity |
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| 00:36.35 | MatBoy | pl4yer0ne: yep.. true... that is good indeed... but master shouldn't be that hard |
| 00:37.20 | pl4yer0ne | yeah not hard but then you would be doing stuff over the network and that gets a bit complicated and there are other things for monitoring over the network |
| 00:37.43 | MatBoy | pl4yer0ne: mysql based logging can help |
| 00:37.50 | MatBoy | pl4yer0ne: what do you like for monitoring ? |
| 00:38.02 | pl4yer0ne | i use munin |
| 00:38.13 | pl4yer0ne | you can make that sucka do anything pretty much |
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| 00:38.58 | MatBoy | ah |
| 00:39.18 | TCW | good night / day folks |
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| 00:40.53 | MatBoy | pl4yer0ne: http://simon.trypill.org/?class=projects&method=view_id&id=remote_monit |
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| 00:41.56 | pl4yer0ne | seems to be just a page scrape to get the screens in one location |
| 00:42.04 | pl4yer0ne | but thats a good start |
| 00:42.14 | MatBoy | indeed |
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| 00:43.52 | MatBoy | I hope they once make nagios better :) |
| 00:44.00 | MatBoy | pain in the ars app |
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| 00:46.24 | MatBoy | pl4yer0ne: you only need to get rid of smarty in that frontend ;) |
| 00:47.46 | MatBoy | ok, sleep well |
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| 00:48.36 | dropper | what's the best way to fetch a package such as lame version 3.97 ? |
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| 00:48.52 | dropper | the version in deb-multimedia is 3.98 and it has a known bug |
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| 00:49.02 | dondelelcaro | dropper: find a mirror that has it, add it to your sources.list, and aptitude install lame=3.97 or whatever. |
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| 00:49.48 | dropper | sorry to ask this, but what is the best method for locating a mirror? (sorry) |
| 00:50.04 | abrotman | debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 00:50.20 | abrotman | dropper: oh .. that's for dmm though |
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| 00:52.05 | dropper | lame.sourceforge only has 3.98 as far as i can tell |
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| 00:54.37 | dropper | actually I found 3.97 on sourceforge, so it seems like I am going to be building lame from source, unless I can find a debian mirror that has it already compiled...? |
| 00:55.16 | dondelelcaro | or you could actually fix the bug |
| 00:56.38 | dropper | awesome idea dondelelcaro just cancelled all my appointments for this weekend ;-) |
| 00:57.05 | dondelelcaro | cool |
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| 00:59.00 | Stanlin | hello |
| 00:59.07 | Stanlin | what is the name for git client package? |
| 00:59.24 | stew | Stanlin: git-core |
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| 01:00.09 | abrotman | didn't he ask the same question yesterday ? |
| 01:00.31 | pl4yer0ne | yeah thats what i thought |
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| 01:00.37 | abrotman | yes, he did |
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| 01:00.53 | Stanlin | abrotman: no, i asked, the name of bzr client |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | no .. you asked for the package for git |
| 01:01.22 | Stanlin | oh... then was the server |
| 01:01.33 | abrotman | <Stanlin> What is the package for Git ? |
| 01:01.35 | abrotman | that's all you asked |
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| 01:01.50 | Stanlin | is there any client for git? |
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| 01:04.31 | ajavid | what is a good programmers fixed width font that looks like the one in textmate but has a bold stylle too |
| 01:04.37 | ajavid | or is that too much to ask? |
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| 01:05.37 | dkr | what is a textmate? :) |
| 01:05.40 | jamon | ajavid: monospace12, i'm telling you it's all you need |
| 01:05.47 | jamon | er, monospace, 2pt |
| 01:05.51 | jamon | 12 pt, fail.. |
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| 01:06.18 | gmap | what user is chown 999:999 referring t? |
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| 01:06.30 | dkr | I like monospace and lucidatypewriter |
| 01:06.42 | dkr | gmap: grep 999 /etc/passwd |
| 01:06.43 | forest | wow, found lame 3.97 not in an etch mirror, not in a sarge mirror, but in a woody mirror! |
| 01:06.45 | forest | pool/main/l/lame/lame_3.96.99+3.97beta2+debian-1duo+woody1_i386.deb |
| 01:06.56 | jamon | forest: that's lame ;) |
| 01:07.05 | forest | <groan> |
| 01:07.44 | levabalkin | hello debian, I have a new_hardware (sis190, ath9k) system and I can't find an installer with 2.6.29 kernel, where should I head for documentation about installing debian with a newer kernel ? |
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| 01:08.10 | gmap | dkr 999 doesnt show anything but 1000 does |
| 01:08.16 | jamon | levabalkin: lenny ships with, and will stick with 2.6.26 |
| 01:09.15 | abrotman | levabalkin: it probably won't exist (unofficially) for a week or so |
| 01:09.17 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 01:09.17 | dpkg | methinks kmuto is For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 01:09.37 | OpenTokix | levabalkin: Do you have hardware that depends on a kernel released today? |
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| 01:10.13 | levabalkin | yes, I use sis190 and ath9k from git |
| 01:10.29 | forest | I am not sure how exactly to curl this package. the path is supposed to be pool/main/l/lame/lame_3.96.99+3.97beta2+debian-1duo+woody1_i386.deb |
| 01:10.34 | forest | which I found on http://mirror.its.ac.id/pub/debian-unofficial/dists/woody/main/binary-i386/Packages |
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| 01:10.54 | forest | but I am unsure where exactly that means I need to curl the package from |
| 01:10.56 | levabalkin | I just tried kmuto.jp (boot.img) but no sis190 or ath9k support, is there a debian way to customize the installer to suit my hardware ? |
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| 01:12.18 | forest | ah found it.... very strange path |
| 01:13.46 | foetus | Softa: i kick you in the ass.. |
| 01:13.51 | foetus | sorry. |
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| 01:15.33 | abrotman | forest: what exactly do you plan to do with that package? |
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| 01:16.04 | jamon | levabalkin: try http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB edit the squashfs file to use your custom kernel/initrd |
| 01:16.18 | forest | abrotman- I am installing the 3.97 versions of lame, libmp3lame-dev & libmp3lame0 as there is apparently a bug in 3.98 |
| 01:16.46 | forest | specifically related to this error: lame |
| 01:16.49 | forest | oops |
| 01:16.55 | forest | [libmp3lame @ 0x1d5f670]lame: output buffer too small (buffer index: 9195, free bytes: 597) |
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| 01:17.27 | forest | this is for Lenny running on AMD model name: Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 265 |
| 01:18.00 | abrotman | i doubt that package will install .. |
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| 01:19.48 | forest | well crap then |
| 01:19.52 | forest | thanks for the warning |
| 01:20.12 | forest | in that case however, I am not sure how to get around the output buffer bug |
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| 01:20.27 | forest | when using ffmpeg to encode mp3 |
| 01:20.56 | forest | abrotman: I doubt I will try to install those 3 packages based on your recommendation/prediction |
| 01:21.31 | abrotman | forest: how bad can this bug be? |
| 01:22.10 | forest | I don't know offhand, it's kicking out any mp3 encodes, but towards the end as they are almost finished |
| 01:22.26 | forest | I am not familiar enough with how ffmpeg handles bufferes when encoding |
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| 01:23.05 | abrotman | did you try another encoder ? |
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| 01:23.22 | forest | ogg is working perfectly ;-) |
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| 01:24.23 | timdau | is the following safe on a r/w mounted partition? reiserfsck --fix-fixable /dev/sda1 |
| 01:24.54 | forest | although when I just tried to ffmpeg an ogg file into an mp3 it complained ogg: Unknown format |
| 01:24.58 | abrotman | forest: that wasn't the question |
| 01:25.02 | forest | even though it is encoding into ogg perfectly |
| 01:25.08 | timdau | I have a rackspace server that rackspace elected to use reiserfs but didn't install the tools to fsck it |
| 01:25.16 | forest | another encoder? |
| 01:25.20 | timdau | So it hasn't been fscked in 4 years |
| 01:25.30 | timdau | And its giving weird permission denied errors |
| 01:25.36 | abrotman | forest: eh .. sorry, didn't phrase that right .. another front end to lame |
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| 01:26.04 | forest | oh, no i have only been working with ffmpeg |
| 01:26.26 | forest | any recommendations? |
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| 01:26.55 | forest | soundconverter, for example... |
| 01:26.57 | forest | ? |
| 01:28.26 | forest | apt install soundconverter wants to install a LOT of new packages.... lol |
| 01:28.29 | apt | ACTION runs yum -y localinstall soundconverter wants to install a LOT of new packages.... lol-4.2-1.noarch.rpm |
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| 01:32.28 | superdump | forest: ping? |
| 01:33.15 | forest | pong |
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| 01:35.08 | bob489 | i remember reading a while back that there was a fluxbox rewrite (i guess a fork) that was called something else... is anyone familiar with it? |
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| 01:38.36 | abrotman | bob489: not blackbox or openbox ? |
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| 01:42.12 | moes | When I install Lenny I set a root password. This password works when I open package that require root. But when I try to edit a file using Konsole it says "sorry try again" The file is sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 01:42.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | mosno, sudo != su |
| 01:42.42 | dkr | moes: you use *your* password for sudo |
| 01:42.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | er, * moes |
| 01:42.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | mosno, (sorry) |
| 01:43.06 | moes | dkr...I tried that same error |
| 01:43.22 | dkr | moes: maybe you didn't configure sudo, then? |
| 01:43.29 | bob489 | abrotman ... maybe blackbox |
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| 01:43.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | dkr++ |
| 01:43.44 | abrotman | bob489: hate to break it to you .. fluxbox is a fork of blackbox .. |
| 01:43.56 | abrotman | blackbox has been around since the late 90s if not earlier |
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| 01:44.36 | dkr | yeah, fluxbox added the ability to put arbitrary windows into tab groups |
| 01:44.54 | moes | dkr..You are right I have no configured sudo There is a page somewhere that has tons of info can you give me that |
| 01:44.55 | abrotman | among other things |
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| 01:45.09 | dkr | moes: man sudoers |
| 01:45.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | moes, man sudoers, and man visudo |
| 01:45.48 | bob489 | then blackbox is not is... i read prob about a year ago that there is a faster rewrite of fluxbox |
| 01:45.55 | keta | main "geekish" feature of fluxbox is that it worked with directfb |
| 01:46.13 | keta | which means one was able to run it without X at all |
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| 01:46.25 | keta | even if it was just a proof of concept |
| 01:46.25 | moes | drk..The page I am speaking of has info about lenny system configurations etc |
| 01:46.36 | abrotman | bob489: blackbox would likely be faster than fluxbox |
| 01:46.56 | lostson | about the same really |
| 01:47.13 | lostson | they startup almost the same and depending on what you are starting they are pretty equal |
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| 01:48.50 | superjet_busy | blackbox already dead... |
| 01:49.14 | bob489 | i think i might stick w/ fluxbox |
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| 01:49.43 | abrotman | superjet_busy: hardly |
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| 01:50.29 | lostson | actually if you read the dev mailing list for blackbox they are pretty busy |
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| 01:51.02 | superjet_busy | most just live for bblean maybe |
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| 01:51.59 | bob489 | blackbox's latest release was in 05 according to wikipedia... fluxbox end of 08 |
| 01:52.01 | arcaos | hello folks |
| 01:53.03 | abrotman | bob489: that's the latest stable release .. |
| 01:53.27 | arcaos | I`ve ran into trouble, the power management doesn`t recognize I`m running on batteries, just finished doing a netinstall and it`s my first time on debian |
| 01:53.51 | abrotman | arcaos: how old is your laptop ? |
| 01:54.31 | arcaos | I guess it would be called quite old now... a IBM ThinkPad 240 |
| 01:55.11 | abrotman | arcaos: so it has apm or acpi ? |
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| 01:56.14 | arcaos | abrotman: don`t know... what I can see is that acpid is running but don`t know hardware wise.... in dmesg it tells me things like the celeron chip has 8 levels of throttling |
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| 01:56.34 | abrotman | arcaos: so like a PIII ? |
| 01:57.15 | arcaos | abrotman: Celeron.... do you think I should head back to apm? |
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| 01:57.55 | bob489 | i think i tried to install openbox and it never worked in lenny... |
| 01:58.10 | abrotman | arcaos: make sure the power management is on in the bios |
| 01:58.37 | arcaos | abrot: good idea... didn`t check |
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| 01:59.41 | superjet_busy | anyone compile qtiplot-svn, I'm always get error since it changed it qwt-svn "src/analysis/Filter.cpp:252: error: 'class QwtPlotCurve' has no member named 'x'"? and i've installed qwt-svn |
| 01:59.57 | superjet_busy | s/it/into |
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| 02:02.28 | blizzkid | Where do I find the php error log in Debian? |
| 02:03.21 | abrotman | apache errorlog ? |
| 02:04.19 | blizzkid | abrotman: that's not showing me what I need to see, I get an error on readdir(), but want to see which dir it tries to open |
| 02:04.43 | abrotman | uhm .. you set the PHP error level in the script, and it should show it on the page |
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| 02:05.11 | blizzkid | abrotman: could you give me a (link to) a code example? |
| 02:06.03 | JBstrikesagain | is there a way with dpkg-query or something similar to find out what source a deb came from? I tried dpkg-query -W -f='${Package} ${Version}\t${Source}\n' mplayer but nothing came back for Source |
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| 02:06.17 | JBstrikesagain | also tried origin |
| 02:06.56 | beardy | Try another package, that is in the official repository instead. |
| 02:07.34 | JBstrikesagain | beardy, i tried dpkg, same result |
| 02:07.39 | hark_ | JBstrikesagain: apt-cache policy mplayer |
| 02:07.57 | JBstrikesagain | hark_, that seems to be what i want. thanks! |
| 02:08.24 | abrotman | blizzkid: try ##php |
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| 02:10.27 | R_Dragon | I've installed libdvdcss and I still can't get a movie to play. any suggestions? I've tried vlc and totem. I'm using debian lenny and libdvdcss2_1.2.9-0.0_amd64 |
| 02:12.57 | arcaos | abrotman: is it very complicated to recompile the kernel in debian ( I mean very touchy and that you breakk many thigns) or should I just try apm first? |
| 02:13.34 | abrotman | arcaos: what is the model in `cat /proc/cpuinfo` .. or the bogomips ? |
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| 02:14.59 | arcaos | abrotman: model_name : Celeron ( Mendocino) |
| 02:15.20 | arcaos | among several other things |
| 02:15.35 | abrotman | arcaos: it's also possible the machine just has a screwed up apci |
| 02:15.35 | abrotman | acpi |
| 02:15.36 | abrotman | !thinkpad |
| 02:15.37 | dpkg | i guess thinkpad is one of the best laptops you can buy, the problems only occur with very old versions, or http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. http://thinkwiki.org/, http://forum.thinkpads.com/ Some models may restrict Mini PCI card usage, see http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/thinkpad/wireless.html See also <mwavem>. ##ibmthinkpad @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:15.41 | abrotman | jebus .. |
| 02:15.48 | abrotman | check the thinkwiki.org |
| 02:16.24 | arcaos | abrotman: great, many thx |
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| 02:18.02 | R_Dragon | no takers? |
| 02:18.10 | abrotman | arcaos: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:240 .. see the link about "How to make APM work" |
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| 02:19.23 | moocow | heh |
| 02:19.40 | moocow | i have an old debian box with bash 2.x on it and would like to upgrade bash to 3.2.x |
| 02:19.48 | moocow | can that be done? |
| 02:20.03 | abrotman | so upgrade the debian box |
| 02:20.08 | moocow | just upgrade bash on the machine nothing else |
| 02:20.14 | abrotman | why? |
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| 02:20.44 | moocow | too much can go wrong, sarge -> now. |
| 02:22.12 | abrotman | uhm .. it's better than clinging to an old unsupported version of debian |
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| 02:22.46 | moocow | true. i just need this database to run until i can migrate the data to a clean install. would be nice to have a slightly newer bash |
| 02:23.03 | abrotman | then decide .. |
| 02:23.19 | moocow | well i did, i'd like to just upgrade bash :) |
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| 02:26.16 | funyun | noob here, i'm following a tutorial that tells me to type "apt-get build-dep x264" but i get "E: Unable to find a source package for x264". can anyone help me out? |
| 02:26.53 | abrotman | do you have source package sources? |
| 02:27.41 | ajavid | I took Monospace 12 point in kate |
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| 02:29.24 | funyun | abrotman: me? if so no |
| 02:29.42 | abrotman | you might need that |
| 02:29.55 | funyun | how can i get it? |
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| 02:30.36 | abrotman | !sources.lsit |
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| 02:30.43 | abrotman | !tell funyun about sources.list |
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| 02:34.58 | funyun | abrotman: i'm still very confused. i know where to put the source. but where do i find it? |
| 02:35.46 | abrotman | did you man 5 sources.list ? |
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| 02:36.19 | funyun | no |
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| 02:36.37 | rob | how can i get wine to integrate with the gnome menu like in ubuntu |
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| 02:37.18 | abrotman | it does here |
| 02:38.03 | Iain_8 | Does anyone know why all the icons in iceweasel would show up broken? |
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| 02:39.17 | bob489 | does anyone use fluxbox... i'm looking for a desktop icon manager and a task bar... any suggestions? |
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| 02:40.09 | Iain_8 | starting iceweasel from a terminal shows a bunch of warnings - Error loading theme icon 'gtk-refresh' for stock: Unrecognized image file format... |
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| 02:43.59 | EarLy | abrotman: still no clue what i'm doing.. |
| 02:44.09 | abrotman | eh? |
| 02:44.21 | abrotman | oh . nick change |
| 02:44.26 | abrotman | EarLy: you need a deb-src line |
| 02:44.29 | EarLy | got booted, sorry |
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| 02:44.34 | spazamazaz | hi guys, i'm having problems with getting my internal comp connecting to the internet via my gateway. I've got "iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o ppp0 -j ACCEPT" and "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE" in my script, but not sure what else i need |
| 02:44.41 | spazamazaz | do i need another forwarding line somehwere? |
| 02:45.09 | EarLy | abrotman: any idea where i can find it? |
| 02:45.29 | abrotman | same place as your other sources .. just deb-src instead of de |
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| 02:45.33 | abrotman | instead of deb |
| 02:46.06 | eurythmia | if I'm running kde on lenny, what would be some good binaries to prelink for speed improvements? |
| 02:46.28 | eurythmia | I've already done kwin and kdm ... seems to help a bit. |
| 02:47.17 | jetscreamer | why kdm |
| 02:47.40 | EarLy | abrotman: these are my current sources. do i need to change one? http://pastebin.ca/1371228 |
| 02:48.10 | abrotman | !deb-src |
| 02:48.10 | dpkg | somebody said deb-src was 'deb-src http://http.<CC>.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed. |
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| 02:48.37 | abrotman | EarLy: and your sources should all point at 'lenny' .. change everywhere it says 'stable' to 'lenny' |
| 02:48.53 | sdk__ | Ok, here's a quick question. Is all of enlightenment and Gnome/Compiz moving toward the OpenDesktop format? I'm (slowly) implementing GNU/Linux where I work and am looking for a unified interface structure. If OpenDesktop is becoming a de facto standard, I can begin perhaps writing scripts for deployment testing in teh lab. |
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| 02:52.49 | EarLy | abrotman: so my sources list should look like this? http://pastebin.ca/1371233 |
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| 02:54.17 | abrotman | EarLy: and your sources should all point at 'lenny' .. change everywhere it says 'stable' to 'lenny' |
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| 02:54.44 | abrotman | almost there |
| 02:55.01 | abrotman | EarLy: you can actually remove the last line |
| 02:55.31 | abrotman | EarLy: where did you get these instructions that say to isntall the source for x264 ? |
| 02:56.02 | arcaos | need some help with another one please. Each time I use synaptic package manager my grub menu.lst changes back to a incorrect boot from /dev/hdc1 instead of /dev/hda1 any ideas where I have to do the correction? |
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| 02:58.03 | EarLy | abrotman: i changed it to http://pastebin.ca/1371238 and i still get "E: Unable to find a source package for x264" |
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| 02:58.25 | abrotman | EarLy: where did you get these instructions that say to isntall the source for x264 ? |
| 02:58.53 | stew | EarLy: x264 isn't in debian |
| 02:59.00 | EarLy | abrotman: from an encoding forum |
| 02:59.32 | abrotman | EarLy: were your instructions for Debian or some other debian-based distro ? |
| 02:59.55 | EarLy | abrotman: for Debian/Ubuntu |
| 03:00.03 | abrotman | they're not for debian |
| 03:00.18 | abrotman | !tell EarLy about dmm |
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| 03:03.40 | EarLy | abrotman: still the same error |
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| 03:04.44 | keta | arcaos: menu.lst contains commented defaults read through it and you'll realize what to change, you should find /dev/hdc1 across commented lines, change it to the desired default. |
| 03:05.41 | arcaos | keta: you mean that I should change the commented defaults and that will make it permanent? |
| 03:06.22 | EarLy | abrotman: i did "echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update" |
| 03:06.27 | pl4yer0ne | no arcaos READ the file carefully and it will tell you where to put the options you want. |
| 03:06.33 | keta | arcaos: yes, the commented defaults (as commented text says clearly if you read comments in menu.lst as I said) are your grub defaults |
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| 03:07.22 | arcaos | keta: thx.... sorry one tends not to read comments much.. my fault |
| 03:07.43 | pl4yer0ne | I think calling them commented defaults is wrong, they are options read by update-grub |
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| 03:08.17 | pl4yer0ne | but thats just me being picky i guess |
| 03:08.42 | arcaos | pl4yer0ne: evidently this is what my mind tricked me into thinking |
| 03:08.52 | keta | pl4yer0ne: I agree with you, but sometimes we have to adapt language to be understandable by not-skilled debian users |
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| 03:09.43 | Gigantic | !die |
| 03:09.44 | dpkg | I'll murder you gigantic! Skin you alive and toss you in the great salt lake! |
| 03:09.57 | jpinx | Anyone know how I can connect to more than one gmailfs at the same time? |
| 03:10.10 | pl4yer0ne | Hence my understanding its just me nit-picking |
| 03:10.32 | keta | pl4yer0ne: if arcaos knew that the postinst (maybe?) kernel deb calls update-grub to do the work, he maybe wouldn't have needed our help |
| 03:10.34 | Gigantic | can somebody tell me how to add a directory to the PATH ? globally, I know how to do it for my user |
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| 03:10.40 | EarLy | noob here, i'm following a tutorial that tells me to do "apt-get build-dep x264". when i do, i get "Unable to find a source package for x264". can anyone help me out? |
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| 03:11.10 | pl4yer0ne | keta, I concede I concede! |
| 03:11.33 | keta | did I casted my if-clause correcly? <- improving english |
| 03:11.35 | Gigantic | EarLy: you ned the dev package |
| 03:11.39 | Gigantic | not the binary |
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| 03:12.08 | Gigantic | lej: ibgrafx11-1-dev instead of ibgrafx11-1 |
| 03:12.10 | EarLy | Gigantic: how do i get that? |
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| 03:12.29 | pl4yer0ne | keta, yeah that was fine )and proved your point well). |
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| 03:12.36 | jaggz | is there an X command which lists all the window titles of running programs? |
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| 03:13.02 | OldMonk | jaggz: xlsclients |
| 03:13.11 | Gigantic | if it is not in the sourceslist, the provider of the package might have a source package to download instead |
| 03:13.20 | Gigantic | EarLy: ^ |
| 03:14.26 | keta | pl4yer0ne: cool i finally got it! good arguments need to be supported by good semantics |
| 03:14.32 | jaggz | hmm.. that doesn't list them all even with -a.. weird what it lists.. firefox, pidgin, and kicker |
| 03:14.41 | jpinx | EarLy: I don't see x264 in debian. What's the output of cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 03:15.14 | EarLy | jpinx: 5.0 |
| 03:15.40 | jpinx | that's stable, you might have to go to look in Squeeze or even Sid |
| 03:15.53 | jpinx | EarLy: ^^ |
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| 03:16.24 | Gigantic | jpinx: ewww |
| 03:16.35 | Gigantic | EarLy: watch out not to mix distros |
| 03:16.57 | jpinx | EarLy: yea - what he said |
| 03:17.28 | EarLy | so there's no simple way to get x264? |
| 03:17.44 | jpinx | EarLy: did you look in backports? |
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| 03:18.08 | jpinx | EarLy: did you search debian.org's package lists? |
| 03:18.22 | jpinx | EarLy: we are not here to do your legwork ;) |
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| 03:19.13 | eonblue | I have an issue where whenever hald is running my keyboard layout is totally jacked up |
| 03:19.18 | eonblue | but when i kill hald it works |
| 03:19.23 | eonblue | and the mouse stops |
| 03:19.31 | eonblue | how can i fix this mess |
| 03:19.34 | pl4yer0ne | EarLy, I use debian-multimedia for that sort of thing. has current(ish) releases for ffmpeg and the like |
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| 03:21.12 | EarLy | pl4yer0ne: i added "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" to source list but i still get the same error |
| 03:21.38 | stew | EarLy: if you are trying to run "apt-get source" you need a deb-src line, not a deb line |
| 03:22.38 | pl4yer0ne | and with the multi-media repo's you shouldnt need to build the source (probably) |
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| 03:24.43 | Rusty1 | EarLy: and of course, apt-get or aptitude update after the edit |
| 03:25.17 | Gigantic | >.< remind me how to add a directory to global path pls |
| 03:25.45 | OldMonk | Gigantic: PATH=${PATH}:/new/directory |
| 03:26.06 | Gigantic | OldMonk: that would reset upon restart |
| 03:26.35 | OldMonk | Gigantic: put it in /etc/profile then |
| 03:27.00 | OldMonk | or ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile |
| 03:27.22 | Gigantic | the least is not global |
| 03:27.34 | Gigantic | but yes pofile will do ty |
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| 03:28.32 | OldMonk | tries to parse those two sentences and fails miserably |
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| 03:28.57 | Gigantic | *OldMonk segfaults |
| 03:28.58 | OldMonk | Gigantic: try speaking in perl now, php isn't working ;) |
| 03:29.05 | Gigantic | :o |
| 03:29.22 | OldMonk | wait, "php isn't working" is an oxymoron anyway ;) |
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| 03:29.31 | Gigantic | ^ |
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| 03:30.45 | Gigantic | saying that the ~/.bashrc and ~/.bashrc_profile would not be set to blobal $PATH |
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| 03:31.22 | Gigantic | but that /etc/profile is my solution although... there was another way to do it but... that will do it |
| 03:31.46 | EarLy | worked! thanks to those who helped. |
| 03:32.03 | OldMonk | i'm honoured you accepted my solution over the multifarious options available to you |
| 03:32.07 | Gigantic | damn, humanish is a very unefficint language look at how many lettersI had to use |
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| 03:43.48 | OldMonk | wtf? a maintainer is telling me my bug is because of my debconf configuration and i shouldn't use that configuration? |
| 03:44.54 | keta | OldMonk: is he Md? |
| 03:45.14 | OldMonk | er, who's Md? |
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| 03:45.29 | jk- | hey all |
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| 03:45.53 | jk- | anyone familiar with debian's libc build process? |
| 03:46.00 | keta | OldMonk: developer's username |
| 03:46.11 | OldMonk | keta: nope, his initials are SL |
| 03:46.14 | keta | OldMonk: anyway which bug report? |
| 03:46.42 | OldMonk | keta: either 521038 or 519927 (if it's been reassigned) |
| 03:47.12 | OldMonk | btw, is there some way to print the current debconf configuration? |
| 03:47.33 | OldMonk | apart from running dpkg-reconfigure debconf, i.e.? |
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| 03:52.05 | keta | OldMonk: he's right, if one uses dialog and not readline default debconf behaviour you see a clearer pam update menu, anyway mr monk, did actually linux exist before 1991 when it was initially coded at torvald's home? |
| 03:52.24 | OldMonk | keta: did i say i'd used linux before 1991? |
| 03:52.28 | keta | OldMonk: uh nevermind, i read linux, not unix |
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| 03:53.06 | OldMonk | keta: and it doesn't matter, if it happens with even one configuration it's a bug |
| 03:53.06 | plb_ | how can I generate a new xorg.conf? |
| 03:53.09 | plb_ | default one |
| 03:53.55 | plb_ | nm |
| 03:53.58 | OldMonk | plb_: X -configure |
| 03:54.04 | keta | OldMonk: I'm on my last hour of 24/7 night turn, in a sane delire of coffe and shilajit gold, mind is floating by |
| 03:54.10 | plb_ | thanks |
| 03:54.23 | OldMonk | keta: use hash: it makes an anchor |
| 03:55.25 | keta | OldMonk: ahaha indeed, I wisdh I were in Pulga doing remote work, but I'm unfortunately in florence italy |
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| 03:56.32 | OldMonk | actually that was supposed to be an insanely clever geek-type pun ;) |
| 03:56.35 | CaT[t3] | can anyone give me hints as to why, when I 'su - user' I get logged in and then automatically logged out of said users shell? I've checked the various startup scripts (/etc/profile, /etc/bash.bashrc, .bashrc, .bash_profile) and there's nothing special there. |
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| 03:56.57 | keta | OldMonk: anyway the minimal install (ie just debootstrap's one) is not a "default" install |
| 03:57.12 | CaT[t3] | of course if I strace su it works just fine (sigh) |
| 03:57.17 | OldMonk | keta: er, this wasn't a minimal install |
| 03:57.39 | keta | OldMonk: do you use debfoster? |
| 03:57.47 | OldMonk | CaT[t3]: what happens if you login as that user on the console? |
| 03:57.56 | OldMonk | keta: i doubt it, since i don't know what it is |
| 03:58.39 | keta | OldMonk: tools to delete many "unused packages" |
| 03:58.56 | CaT[t3] | oldmonk: said user has no password (so I can't). I can log in ok outside of screen, though. (ie if I su - within a shell session within screen I get bombed out; outside, it works) |
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| 03:59.03 | OldMonk | keta: well, aptitude handles most of that stuff for me |
| 03:59.20 | OldMonk | CaT[t3]: try it in a screen -l |
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| 03:59.38 | CaT[t3] | oldmonk: same. |
| 03:59.38 | OldMonk | seems like a utmp problem |
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| 04:00.44 | CaT[t3] | oldmonk: the permissions on /var/log/wtmp are right: 36 -rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 35328 2009-03-24 16:27 /var/log/wtmp |
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| 04:01.13 | OldMonk | how about /var/run/utmp ? |
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| 04:01.20 | OldMonk | just fishing in the dark here... |
| 04:01.31 | CaT[t3] | oldmonk: 8 -rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 6144 2009-03-25 14:59 /var/run/utmp |
| 04:01.46 | bopr | E: Can't mmap an empty file |
| 04:01.46 | bopr | E: _cache->open() failed, please report. |
| 04:01.50 | bopr | what does this mean & |
| 04:01.54 | CaT[t3] | oldmonk: this is driving me insane :) |
| 04:02.00 | bopr | im trying to install filezilla |
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| 04:03.56 | OldMonk | CaT[t3]: only happens in screen, huh? and works if you strace it in a screen too? |
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| 04:05.58 | CaT[t3] | oldmonk: yes. it's freaky. if I do su - user -c /bin/bash it works, though |
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| 04:08.14 | R_Dragon | i have installed in the gstreamer stuff, libdvdcss, everything i could google to make this machine play a movie. Instructions seem simple enough. doesn't work. |
| 04:08.30 | OldMonk | CaT[t3]: sorry, can't give any more assistance remotely |
| 04:08.31 | CaT[t3] | oldmonk: su - gurus -c /bin/bash does not work actually (I was testing outside of screen before). su - gurus -c /bin/sh does, though. |
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| 04:09.27 | OldMonk | CaT[t3]: oh... put "set -x" on the top of ~gurus/.bashrc and ~gurus/.bash_profile and ~gurus/.profile (if it exists) and try it |
| 04:09.52 | cromag | what is an SSH "subsystem" ? |
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| 04:10.52 | CaT[t3] | oldmonk: it just exits without running said command from a script |
| 04:12.10 | CaT[t3] | this is nuts. |
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| 04:13.29 | Linuturk | I'm trying to pair a bluetooth mouse to my laptop. What's the best way to do this? |
| 04:13.40 | OldMonk | CaT[t3]: what does su - gurus -c 'bash -l' do? |
| 04:13.42 | EarLy | i'm trying to mount an image file using "mount -o loop imagefile.img mountdirectory" and i'm getting "mount: unknown filesystem type 'udf'". can anyone help me out with this? |
| 04:14.08 | OldMonk | EarLy: (as root) modprobe udf |
| 04:14.28 | OldMonk | shouldn't that be autoloaded though? |
| 04:14.48 | CaT[t3] | oldmonk: you know... I /really/ don't like the fact that a reboot fixed it (I got exasperated and tried it anyway) |
| 04:14.50 | EarLy | OldMonk: FATAL: Module udf not found. |
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| 04:15.05 | OldMonk | CaT[t3]: you winduhs user, you! ;) |
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| 04:15.28 | CaT[t3] | oldmonk: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 04:15.47 | CaT[t3] | oldmonk: still... that was supremely freaky |
| 04:16.24 | OldMonk | EarLy: which distribution and kernel? |
| 04:16.45 | EarLy | OldMonk: lenny. how do i check? |
| 04:16.45 | OldMonk | CaT[t3]: agreed... unless you happen to have a worm/virus somewhere. and rkhunter run wouldn't harm |
| 04:16.59 | OldMonk | EarLy: uname -r |
| 04:17.12 | CaT[t3] | oldmonk: fresh install. |
| 04:17.17 | EarLy | OldMonk: 2.6.27.9 |
| 04:17.30 | CaT[t3] | oldmonk: pc has not been off an internal network either (so its inaccessible from the innanets) |
| 04:17.31 | enouf | ooops |
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| 04:18.27 | OldMonk | CaT[t3]: no clue then... worrying, as you said |
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| 04:19.07 | OldMonk | EarLy: did you compile your own kernel by any chance? |
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| 04:19.46 | EarLy | OldMonk: sorry, i don't even know what kernel means. so i doubt it. but i can't be sure.. |
| 04:19.47 | OldMonk | because 2.6.27.9 doesn't look like a debian kernel name (unless they changed the naming scheme while i wasn't looking) |
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| 04:20.16 | error404notfoun1 | how can I do a debian minimal install? I am on the screen where it asks me to install stuff like LAMP, Print, Samba Server, Standard, etc... |
| 04:20.43 | OldMonk | error404notfoun1: don't install anything? that'll give you a pretty minimal setup |
| 04:20.57 | error404notfoun1 | OldMonk: not even standard system? |
| 04:20.59 | bopr | http://pastebin.com/m4d5d8193 how do i enable root user? |
| 04:21.03 | OldMonk | EarLy: can you try this command: find /lib/modules | fgrep udf |
| 04:21.13 | enouf | EarLy: cat /proc/version |
| 04:21.38 | OldMonk | enouf: oh |
| 04:21.43 | enouf | (it's not a debian kernel) |
| 04:22.19 | EarLy | Linux version 2.6.27.9 (root) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed Dec 17 21:12:12 CET 2008 |
| 04:22.31 | OldMonk | error404notfoun1: it'll install a running, usable system. standard depends on your definition |
| 04:23.13 | error404notfoun1 | OldMonk: nope, it depends on debian defnition, as it is shown in tasks to be installed. If I uncheck that, will I have a running system? |
| 04:23.29 | OldMonk | error404notfoun1: yes you will |
| 04:23.40 | OldMonk | oh wait, holdon |
| 04:23.51 | error404notfoun1 | hmm, OldMonk, thanks, will try it, gotta leave for office.. |
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| 04:24.48 | OldMonk | error404notfoun1: i believe you need a standard system anyway, but i could be wrong |
| 04:25.03 | enouf | error404notfoun1: yes, you will only have the pkgs of Priority Important and Required installed then |
| 04:25.14 | OldMonk | *phew* |
| 04:25.20 | error404notfoun1 | :D |
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| 04:26.31 | enouf | OldMonk: you don't, but it can be quite foolish to not allow also pkgs of Priority Standard to be installed = pain ensues for most |
| 04:27.17 | OldMonk | enouf: i can imagine... haven't installed without that option turned on ever |
| 04:27.36 | error404notfoun1 | enouf: yes, but I need a super-small version of debian :D |
| 04:27.45 | error404notfoun1 | will compile everything myself... |
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| 04:28.03 | enouf | OldMonk: to see what you'd miss run ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | sort -n | less |
| 04:28.18 | enouf | !gentoosmite error404notfoun1 |
| 04:28.19 | dpkg | spends 8 days recompiling error404notfoun1, and when it's all done, error404notfoun1 runs no faster than previously |
| 04:28.36 | error404notfoun1 | :D |
| 04:28.44 | error404notfoun1 | still :P |
| 04:29.22 | OldMonk | enouf: looks like a usable system all right, though i agree it'd be a PITA to get it to do anything useful |
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| 04:30.54 | enouf | *nods* |
| 04:32.23 | EarLy | enouf, OldMonk: Linux version 2.6.27.9 (root) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed Dec 17 21:12:12 CET 2008 |
| 04:33.15 | enouf | EarLy: install a debian kernel |
| 04:33.36 | OldMonk | where did he get that kernel from anyway? |
| 04:33.43 | enouf | no clue |
| 04:33.53 | enouf | sidux? |
| 04:34.06 | OldMonk | oh, a derivative? |
| 04:34.45 | EarLy | so just "aptitude install kernal" or ..? |
| 04:35.06 | enouf | usually the case .. especially for those whom reply "i don't think i compiled my own kernel" :-P |
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| 04:37.11 | EarLy | enouf: i get Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "kernal" |
| 04:37.28 | OldMonk | enouf: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 works for me |
| 04:37.33 | OldMonk | er, EarLy: |
| 04:37.44 | jk- | EarLy: kernEl |
| 04:37.45 | enouf | !based on debian |
| 04:37.45 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 04:40.00 | EarLy | OldMonk: done, still i get "mount: unknown filesystem type 'udf'" |
| 04:40.24 | OldMonk | EarLy: er, you need to reboot into the new kernel first :) |
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| 04:41.15 | OldMonk | EarLy: but before that, ensure you have the udf module now: |
| 04:41.25 | OldMonk | EarLy: find /lib/modules|fgrep udf |
| 04:42.51 | EarLy | /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/fs/udf |
| 04:42.51 | EarLy | /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/fs/udf/udf.ko |
| 04:43.04 | EarLy | still, it's not working |
| 04:43.47 | OldMonk | EarLy: did you reboot into the new kernel? |
| 04:44.20 | EarLy | OldMonk: i rebooted. is there a certain way to reboot 'into' the new kernel? |
| 04:44.35 | OldMonk | EarLy: grub/lilo should give you the option |
| 04:45.14 | EarLy | OldMonk: ??? |
| 04:45.34 | OldMonk | EarLy: the boot loader should give you the new kernel as an option now |
| 04:45.52 | OldMonk | it'll looks something like: Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 04:46.38 | EarLy | sorry again for my ignorance but i have no clue what you're talking about |
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| 04:46.59 | OldMonk | EarLy: do you get a list of available kernels when you boot the machine? |
| 04:47.00 | EarLy | am i supposed to type reboot grub? |
| 04:47.20 | EarLy | no |
| 04:47.33 | OldMonk | EarLy: no, just reboot the computer. you did do that, didn't you? |
| 04:47.52 | EarLy | yes |
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| 04:48.25 | OldMonk | EarLy: after the power-on-self-test you whould see a linux boot prompt or a linux boot menu |
| 04:49.11 | EarLy | i'm doing all of this through ssh. do i need to actually be in front of the computer to see this? |
| 04:49.41 | OldMonk | EarLy: er, yes |
| 04:50.09 | OldMonk | EarLy: can you paste the output of /boot/grub/menu.lst somewhere? |
| 04:50.17 | OldMonk | or whatever it's called in grub2... anyone? |
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| 04:50.51 | EarLy | OldMonk: No such file or directory |
| 04:51.05 | enouf | heh |
| 04:51.50 | OldMonk | hmm, i dont think i have a box with grub2 where i can find the filename |
| 04:52.29 | EarLy | so there's no other way to mount an image? |
| 04:52.33 | OldMonk | EarLy: try: /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 04:52.50 | EarLy | OldMonk: No such file or directory |
| 04:52.58 | OldMonk | omg, you're a lilo user! |
| 04:53.08 | jk- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.23 | OldMonk | jk-: that's what i tried first :) |
| 04:54.26 | jk- | ah :) |
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| 04:54.27 | OldMonk | i accidentally the whole boot loader! |
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| 04:54.48 | OldMonk | brb |
| 04:54.49 | jk- | you also the verb! |
| 04:54.57 | enouf | you're missing a verb |
| 04:55.00 | orbii | hello debian community! |
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| 04:55.59 | EarLy | so you cannot mount on lenny? i was able to do it on etch. is etch better than lenny? |
| 04:56.09 | pl4yer0ne | as long as you don't accidentally your pants then all is well |
| 04:56.50 | orbii | any mac users here? |
| 04:56.52 | enouf | you;re not running Lenny, nor Etch |
| 04:57.03 | EarLy | <-- mac user |
| 04:57.34 | EarLy | enouf: what am i running? |
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| 04:57.49 | orbii | awesome! i just went out and bought me a new macbook pro, now i'm planning to use the old one to learn debian on |
| 04:57.51 | enouf | how should i know? |
| 04:58.03 | bonez46 | how does one image a file from a drive that's starting to howl....? I want to image the file over to another drive.. if possible.. |
| 04:58.25 | orbii | EarLy: any suggestion as to where i should start? ... there's so many package to download is like overwhelming |
| 04:58.27 | bonez46 | er.. image the drive contents.. not a file.. |
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| 04:58.42 | bonez46 | not just a file |
| 04:58.45 | bonez46 | all the files |
| 04:58.50 | jk- | bonez46: you can just rsync the drive to a new one |
| 04:59.13 | bonez46 | rsync, eh? |
| 04:59.21 | jk- | just copies files. |
| 04:59.28 | enouf | bonez46: maybe you want partimage, but there are various other ways - one was just mentioned |
| 04:59.35 | EarLy | orbii: no clue. i know absolutely nothing about debian. i'm not even sure if it's debian i am running.. |
| 04:59.42 | daniel2 | How do you download the sources to build a custom kernel in debian? |
| 04:59.49 | bonez46 | ok, the drive in question is a windoxw xp drive.. can I rsync it and have it be bootable and runnable on the new drive? |
| 05:00.09 | bonez46 | partimage.. I'll look into that |
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| 05:01.57 | orbii | EarLy: on mac os x u mean? i'm mostly sure its running bsd, but details i'm not sure |
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| 05:02.33 | EarLy | anyone familiar with mounting image files? when i try to mount i get "mount: unknown filesystem type 'udf'". can anyone help? |
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| 05:04.27 | EarLy | orbii: couldn't tell ya |
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| 05:09.15 | nkuttler | EarLy: iirc you need to mount loop images |
| 05:09.15 | nkuttler | daniel2: apt-cache search linux-source, or kernel.org and /msg dpkg kp |
| 05:09.47 | johnrw | Are there any old Debian repositories ? |
| 05:10.09 | OldMonk | EarLy: i suggest you first find ouy whether your system is debian or not |
| 05:10.12 | EarLy | nkuttler: the command i try is "mount -o loop imagefile.img imagedirectory" |
| 05:10.15 | nkuttler | johnrw: /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 05:10.17 | OldMonk | er, find out... |
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| 05:10.32 | OldMonk | EarLy: paste the contents of /etc/motd somewhere |
| 05:10.35 | nkuttler | EarLy: man mount, and #youros |
| 05:11.17 | EarLy | OldMonk: nothing there |
| 05:11.32 | OldMonk | geez! |
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| 05:12.12 | nkuttler | EarLy: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 05:12.54 | EarLy | nkuttler: http://pastebin.ca/1371332 |
| 05:13.10 | valdyn | EarLy: you are runing a custom kernel and forgot udf support? |
| 05:13.47 | EarLy | valdyn: not sure.. |
| 05:14.08 | nkuttler | EarLy: well, you'd certainly remember if you had built your own kernel |
| 05:14.47 | EarLy | nkuttler: OldMonk gave it to me |
| 05:14.48 | johnrw | nkuttler: ok... thanks. |
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| 05:15.59 | EarLy | so there's no way at all to simply mount this image file? |
| 05:16.09 | OldMonk | looks at chut |
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| 05:16.26 | chut | heya OldMonk :) |
| 05:16.49 | OldMonk | chut: you from india/pakistan? |
| 05:16.55 | chut | nope |
| 05:17.06 | valdyn | EarLy: i shouldnt have made this a question |
| 05:17.23 | chut | OldMonk, is it because of my nick? |
| 05:17.30 | OldMonk | chut: yup |
| 05:17.34 | chut | oh :) |
| 05:17.38 | valdyn | EarLy: you or whoever set up that system made it use a custom kernel with no udf support -> you cant mount udf filesystem |
| 05:17.38 | chut | what is it mean? |
| 05:17.40 | chut | lol |
| 05:17.49 | OldMonk | chut: in hindi/urdu it means "cunt" |
| 05:17.54 | chut | it means a little in my language |
| 05:17.56 | chut | lol |
| 05:17.59 | chut | wow |
| 05:18.07 | chut | i gotta change my nick lol |
| 05:18.09 | EarLy | valdyn: so there's no way around that? |
| 05:19.56 | valdyn | EarLy: except installing a kernel that supports udf? no |
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| 05:21.03 | EarLy | valdyn: OldMonk just had me do that.. |
| 05:21.52 | valdyn | EarLy: he made you install a debian kernel as i can see |
| 05:22.00 | OldMonk | valdyn: he can'[t boot off the new kernel since he doesn't have physical access, and lots of other issues |
| 05:22.30 | valdyn | OldMonk: I see |
| 05:22.48 | OldMonk | well, he doesn't even know which distribution it is :) |
| 05:23.12 | valdyn | should talk to the admin then |
| 05:23.20 | EarLy | well, is there any other way i can get what's inside the image file out? |
| 05:23.50 | OldMonk | i think he's the admin :) |
| 05:23.50 | EarLy | i am the admin btw.. |
| 05:23.50 | valdyn | not the admin of the physical box |
| 05:23.53 | enouf | there is no spoon |
| 05:25.18 | simonrvn | there is no fork either. there's a big hunting knife, a sharpening stone, and a bow and arrows. |
| 05:25.40 | simonrvn | :P |
| 05:25.51 | enouf | ;-) |
| 05:26.10 | OldMonk | ...and a WHOLE BOTTLE LOL! |
| 05:26.23 | OldMonk | ducks and runs |
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| 05:28.15 | EarLy | someone must know a way to get the files out. linux cannot be this lame..? |
| 05:28.42 | OldMonk | EarLy: that's not fair |
| 05:29.00 | Braden` | OldMonk: He is baiting you. |
| 05:29.21 | OldMonk | i'm easily baited |
| 05:29.24 | EarLy | right now i'm thinking Windows Mobile >>> Linux |
| 05:29.33 | enouf | OldMonk: has been already trolled .. unfortunately ... sigh |
| 05:30.18 | Braden` | EarLy: Time to go back under your bridge. |
| 05:30.32 | OldMonk | offers a billy-g0at |
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| 05:30.43 | EarLy | Braden`: ?? |
| 05:32.21 | Braden` | OldMonk: Glad somebody got the reference. Most of those stories are too old for the current generation. |
| 05:32.55 | OldMonk | Braden`: just keep those dentures away from mine... i don't want to put in the wrong set ;) |
| 05:33.19 | EarLy | anyone familiar with mounting image files? when i try to mount i get "mount: unknown filesystem type 'udf'". can anyone help? |
| 05:33.20 | Braden` | :P |
| 05:33.43 | daniel2 | dang |
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| 05:33.55 | daniel2 | when compiling a kernel, its got everything selected |
| 05:35.02 | EarLy | daniel2: is there any way other than mounting to extract the contained files inside the image? |
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| 05:37.13 | enouf | EarLy: go over to ##linux and ask, and be sure to mention you're running some "unknown derivative of something based on debian" and that you have "no idea which bootloader" you're using |
| 05:37.49 | EarLy | enouf: okay, thanks |
| 05:38.24 | OldMonk | ...or come to ##linux-india -- i'm an op there and can kick you to assuage my hurt feelings ;) |
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| 05:40.11 | EarLy | OldMonk: as soon as my problem is solved i will join your channel and allow you to avenge your feelings |
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| 05:40.19 | OldMonk | heh |
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| 05:42.04 | johnrw | hey, I messaged dpkg about build-dep and it gave me some info... but then I looked on this lenny official box... and the only thing there is build-rdep |
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| 05:42.20 | johnrw | was it renamed? |
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| 05:46.04 | theholyduck | johnrw, apt-get build-dep ? |
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| 05:52.08 | dummies_freelanc | hi. |
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| 05:53.36 | dummies_freelanc | i install stable debian in laptop presario cq50 and finish and reboot gime the error Err2Err3 how resolv this problem |
| 05:53.44 | dummies_freelanc | ? |
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| 05:54.24 | nkuttler | dummies_freelanc: did you already google it? |
| 05:54.46 | enouf | looks BIOS or bootloader or ROMpaq related |
| 05:56.01 | dummies_freelanc | yes but .. |
| 05:56.26 | dummies_freelanc | no found nothing in google |
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| 05:59.24 | slackd00d | is there anyway to partition my disks with the weekly-builds dvd of squeeze with ext4? |
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| 06:00.50 | slackd00d | i mean install dvd |
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| 06:08.58 | dummies_freelanc | look this message in google. |
| 06:09.00 | dummies_freelanc | . Whenever I try to boot, it gives me, "Operating system not found" or "Chain Booting Error" or "Err2err3" what is wrong? |
| 06:09.00 | dummies_freelanc | A. This just means that Darwin Bootloader EFI did not install correctly. Go back and install it and try again. |
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| 06:15.17 | nkuttler | q |
| 06:18.17 | enouf | dummies_freelanc: well, from what i recall that i know about compaq, is that it's possible there's some sort of "Restore" or "Diagnostic" partition that might be in the way (cuasing issues) perhaps along with your BIOS settings or if it's an old model, maybe even IML |
| 06:18.45 | enouf | s/cuasing/causing |
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| 06:37.14 | hja | after installing Windows, i try to use a binary-1 cd which i generated in 2006. when i run chroot, it says: FATAL. Kernel too old. do i have to gen a new binary-1 cd to fix the problem? |
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| 06:38.31 | hja | everyone asleep? |
| 06:39.09 | enouf | yes and yes |
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| 06:39.37 | enouf | any recent livecd would do as well |
| 06:39.39 | hja | enouf: can you be more explicit? |
| 06:40.06 | hja | enouf: is this the only way? |
| 06:40.12 | enouf | "FATAL. Kernel too old." is pretty explicit ;-) |
| 06:40.35 | enouf | [02:37:09] <enouf> any recent livecd would do as well |
| 06:41.38 | hja | enouf: where to read up on generating a livecd? |
| 06:42.06 | avu | hja, what's wrong with just downloading a ready made one? |
| 06:42.34 | hja | avu: nothing wrong, except that i don't know what its all about. |
| 06:42.51 | avu | hja, search for 'debian live' |
| 06:43.02 | enouf | then maybe you should stick with just using windows |
| 06:43.12 | hja | avu: so, i will download a livecd and burn it to my cd-rw? is that all? |
| 06:43.27 | avu | that's all. |
| 06:43.29 | enouf | hja: what is your end goal? |
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| 06:44.40 | hja | enouf: i have been using 'testing' for years now. i recently install a Vista to have a dual-OS system. I did this stuff before. The problem is that this time round, i cannot use my binary-1 cd to re-install grub. |
| 06:44.52 | tansell | when packaging a program, where in rules do you put the running of the unittests? |
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| 06:46.24 | enouf | hja: ok, so reinstall grub; all that was mentioned (via myself and avu) applies |
| 06:47.11 | hja | enouf: previously, after installing a Windows, i would use the binary-1 cd to re-install grub so that during boot, I will get to select which OS i want. this time round, there is this complain that the kernel is too old. |
| 06:47.29 | enouf | hja: er .. except, i take back the windows comment ... still, you should know what a livecd is...and it's uses and such |
| 06:47.45 | Jester-laptop | if i upgraded my kernel without running lilo how should i go about fixing this |
| 06:47.54 | enouf | i understand hja |
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| 06:48.35 | hja | enouf, avu. thks,. will go read up on debian live and gen cd. |
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| 06:52.10 | hja | enouf: i can't gen a livecd from Windows which is my working platform now since I can't boot into my debian. |
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| 06:52.59 | iateadonut | hi. is there a way to intercept msn messages and check them for keywords? |
| 06:53.46 | simonrvn | iateadonut: you probably want to talk to microsoft and the various spy agencies around the around ;p |
| 06:54.40 | enouf | hja: sure you can .. and see if your 2006 cd has a 'rescue' mode boot (press F1-F10 keys) .. you don't need to chroot to install grub |
| 06:56.02 | hja | enouf: sounds good. what is it has a rescue mode, how to install grub then? some command as with chroot? |
| 06:56.13 | hja | same |
| 06:56.34 | enouf | !rescue mode |
| 06:56.34 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Etch users: Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 06:56.58 | hja | enouf: thks. |
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| 07:02.16 | hja | ok, going to reboot. bye. |
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| 07:16.46 | limekmag | Hey, I'm trying to figure out why GRUB and Linux are enumerating my 4 SATA drives (same controller) in different orders. |
| 07:17.20 | limekmag | (hd0) => sdc, (hd1) => sdd, (hd2) => sda, (hd3) => sdb |
| 07:17.23 | limekmag | any guesses? |
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| 07:19.07 | Ian00 | how can i make apt-get to stop asking me whether I want to continue and use X disk space? |
| 07:19.08 | dondelelcaro | limekmag: doesn't really make a difference, so long as grub's enumeration is stable |
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| 07:19.35 | Ian00 | ah got it. -q 2 |
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| 07:21.09 | limekmag | dondelelcaro: I guess more importantly, I'd like to ask how I can get SATA1 to map to sda |
| 07:21.20 | limekmag | SATA1 maps to (hd0) |
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| 07:21.27 | limekmag | SATA2 to (hd1) and so on |
| 07:21.43 | limekmag | so GRUB's mapping seems pretty strait forward |
| 07:21.54 | limekmag | Linux's mapping perplexes me |
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| 07:42.25 | Trewas | limekmag: there is no constant mapping anymore in linux, so the device names may even change around, for example if I have a usb-disk plugged in when booting the onboard SATA devices are shifted from sda->sdb and so on |
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| 07:43.47 | Trewas | but some udev magic can make them stay always the same... I wouldn't bother though |
| 07:44.21 | limekmag | trevas: so then how to set up software RAID if the device names may change between boots? |
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| 07:46.11 | jetscreamer | it screws up when you add in another controller, also |
| 07:46.21 | jetscreamer | i'll have to test lenny stable |
| 07:46.43 | jetscreamer | and it's all udev |
| 07:46.53 | jetscreamer | no udev, no problem |
| 07:47.02 | jetscreamer | no initrd, no problem either |
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| 07:47.25 | jetscreamer | you need to change some proggies to ones that don't use udev |
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| 07:47.58 | jetscreamer | .... use or depend on... the gnome thing.. /me tries to remember the names |
| 07:48.27 | jetscreamer | fam vs... the kde-ish one... fam needs udev iirc |
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| 07:49.42 | Trewas | limekmag: I think the partitions belonging to raid have some kind of signatures, so udev recognizes them no matter which devices they are |
| 07:49.49 | jetscreamer | starts with an L? |
| 07:50.01 | jetscreamer | you can do it by UUID |
| 07:50.20 | limekmag | ahh |
| 07:50.23 | jetscreamer | that in fstab and menu (not sure about the raid though) works |
| 07:50.46 | limekmag | (Just got a pair of 1 TB drives today... trying to set up software RAID) |
| 07:50.49 | jetscreamer | manu.lst |
| 07:50.55 | jetscreamer | menu.lst |
| 07:51.04 | limekmag | yea, I use UUIDs in fstab |
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| 07:52.08 | jetscreamer | nuking udev would probably function |
| 07:52.09 | Trewas | jetscreamer: avoiding udev is a losing battle, sadly... |
| 07:52.14 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 07:52.21 | jetscreamer | 'depends on' |
| 07:52.36 | jetscreamer | i've managed in the past.. i gave up |
| 07:52.48 | jetscreamer | (i tried) |
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| 07:52.54 | limekmag | why is udev so bad? |
| 07:53.13 | jetscreamer | add in another ide/sata controller in a pci slot and find out :) |
| 07:53.19 | jetscreamer | with hd attached |
| 07:53.37 | jetscreamer | not sure how it is on those mb's with sata & ide either |
| 07:53.47 | jetscreamer | (with hd attatched to both) |
| 07:54.12 | jetscreamer | iirc i tried that once.. bork |
| 07:54.15 | jetscreamer | i forget though |
| 07:54.36 | limekmag | hmm... swap and cdrom are on IDE |
| 07:55.04 | jetscreamer | and i was iirc'ing.. :) maybe cdrom on one doesn't do it... not sure at all |
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| 07:55.33 | jetscreamer | cafuego the luv committee |
| 07:55.43 | Trewas | limekmag: udev is not that bad, computers just have become much less static (hotpluggable whatever) so the old linux model with static dev which made many things very easy does not work anymore |
| 07:55.48 | cafuego | the committee of luuurve |
| 07:56.12 | jetscreamer | seems to work just fine on normal everyday computers |
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| 07:56.19 | jetscreamer | i get all the bugs |
| 07:56.24 | jetscreamer | that others don't |
| 07:57.06 | jetscreamer | !udev |
| 07:57.06 | dpkg | udev is, like, at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules>, or <udev details> |
| 07:58.12 | jetscreamer | ah.. now i'm not suggesting you remove udev |
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| 07:58.28 | jetscreamer | i'm telling the possibility |
| 07:58.32 | jetscreamer | !remove udev |
| 07:58.33 | dpkg | if you are trying to remove udev and you package system wants to remove kernels that you don't want removed, you must install yaird to replace initramfs-tools as your initrd generator, "apt-get install udev- yaird" will switch yaird in for initramfs-tools, then "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" should build a new initrd for your running kerel with yaird. |
| 07:58.54 | limekmag | what was that? ... $%@ NO CARRIER ... |
| 07:58.56 | jetscreamer | uuid should work somehow |
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| 08:00.11 | simonrvn | !remove udev =~ s/you pac/your pac/ |
| 08:00.18 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 08:00.35 | jetscreamer | running kerel |
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| 08:01.00 | simonrvn | !remove udev =~ s/kenel/kernel/ |
| 08:01.00 | dpkg | simonrvn: that doesn't contain 'kenel' |
| 08:01.07 | simonrvn | !remove udev =~ s/kerel/kernel/ |
| 08:01.08 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 08:01.13 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:01.18 | simonrvn | and hi |
| 08:01.20 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 08:01.30 | jetscreamer | my analidity has been satisfied :) |
| 08:01.48 | jetscreamer | hey |
| 08:01.50 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:02.01 | simonrvn | back on a normal box, eh? |
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| 08:02.43 | jetscreamer | !remove udev =~ s/generator,/generator./ |
| 08:02.44 | dpkg | OK, jetscreamer |
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| 08:03.18 | limekmag | Wow... that's pretty cool that you can regex-replace the dpkg-bot's answers |
| 08:03.19 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 08:03.35 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice pda |
| 08:03.35 | dpkg | places pda at the center of the pentacle and calls on the ancient one "Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah-nagl fhtaga" |
| 08:03.49 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:04.23 | limekmag | !who wrote you? |
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| 08:04.44 | jetscreamer | !owner |
| 08:04.44 | dpkg | dondelelcaro owns me |
| 08:04.47 | limekmag | Ahh... dpkg listens not to me |
| 08:05.01 | jetscreamer | ignores things that don't compute more like it |
| 08:05.03 | limekmag | !owner |
| 08:05.03 | dpkg | dondelelcaro owns me |
| 08:05.06 | limekmag | ahh |
| 08:05.08 | simonrvn | just gotta know the wrong factoids |
| 08:05.12 | simonrvn | right* |
| 08:05.20 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg help |
| 08:06.07 | jetscreamer | !what are you |
| 08:06.07 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 08:06.11 | limekmag | that would involve going in and decrypting the password file with my irc passwords |
| 08:06.13 | jetscreamer | !blootbot |
| 08:06.13 | dpkg | blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot, by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Blootbot debs are now in debian. You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl. The latest svn has pgsql support. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. Ask me about infobot. |
| 08:06.19 | jetscreamer | was a bloot |
| 08:06.49 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 08:06.58 | jetscreamer | pw file? |
| 08:07.02 | simonrvn | bloot got merged back into info |
| 08:07.15 | limekmag | I can't private message dpkg b/c I'm not logged in |
| 08:07.18 | simonrvn | oh, it says that, heh. |
| 08:07.29 | jetscreamer | it does? didnt' know that |
| 08:07.40 | jetscreamer | !tell limekmag -about help |
| 08:07.50 | jetscreamer | work? |
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| 08:13.09 | zophy | no |
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| 08:17.18 | havocologe | hm how should a proper dig hostname mx look like ? |
| 08:17.45 | havocologe | i have problems with exim4 sending to local mailboxes and the log makes me think it is a dns problem. |
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| 08:18.26 | jetscreamer | does that mean 'what does a proper mx record look like' ? or is that different |
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| 08:18.50 | jetscreamer | as returned by dig |
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| 08:19.34 | havocologe | that should mean: "all relevant MX records point to non-existent hosts" is given by exim and dig returns something that looks proper to me :) |
| 08:19.50 | havocologe | dig havoc-the-chaos.info mx does not look wiered in my eyes. |
| 08:20.28 | jetscreamer | ok that makes more sense |
| 08:20.37 | limekmag | Hmm... it looks like my initrd has a script that calls resume |
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| 08:21.00 | limekmag | r2disk stuff |
| 08:21.05 | limekmag | err |
| 08:21.08 | limekmag | s2disk |
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| 08:22.25 | jetscreamer | i know nothing about exim, but is it configured properly to listen for remote? iirc the default is local only.. |
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| 08:23.03 | limekmag | If I comment out all of the lines in uswsusp.conf, and regenerate initrd, will that stop the resuming? |
| 08:23.13 | jetscreamer | have you dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? |
| 08:23.21 | jetscreamer | no idea if that helps anything |
| 08:23.45 | ronr | hi, I try to run iceweasel over X forwarding (ssh -X <hostname> iceweasel &) but it keeps freezing up on me, it just goes in the state CTRL+Z would put it in, I also tried nohup iceweasel & and it still freezes |
| 08:23.57 | havocologe | jetscreamer: done that already. |
| 08:24.07 | jetscreamer | can you ping the fqdn of your mailserver as in mail.yourdomain.org ? |
| 08:24.14 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
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| 08:25.25 | havocologe | fqdn ? |
| 08:25.33 | jetscreamer | fully qualified.. |
| 08:25.36 | jetscreamer | !fqdn |
| 08:25.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 08:26.17 | jetscreamer | definitely not on the pda eh :) |
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| 08:27.18 | jetscreamer | isn't there a rule/law that mailservers have to have an fqdn? |
| 08:27.38 | wedge | they need an MX pointing to their fqdn |
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| 08:28.03 | Somni | hah, 'law'; ain't no law on the internet, son! |
| 08:28.22 | simonrvn | havocologe: seems ok to me... just nmapped it and pinged it (the MX)... as for the MX name, it's ok, though usually people id it as such. |
| 08:28.23 | jetscreamer | yeah i thought of that |
| 08:28.37 | ronr | hmm, actually logging in with ssh -X and then starting with nohup seems to work |
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| 08:29.03 | caraconan | Hi. Can I say that if I find this chain 'width: 64 bits' under '*-cpu:0' on a 'lshw' output I've got a 64 bits CPU? |
| 08:29.07 | jetscreamer | ok so it's an exim problem (seems to me at least) |
| 08:29.27 | havocologe | simonrvn: what you mean by "though usually people id it as such"? |
| 08:29.35 | caraconan | I've got an Intel Centrino processor, and I'm wondering to install a debian amd64 kernel |
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| 08:29.43 | jetscreamer | as in mail.whatever.com , i guess |
| 08:29.51 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 08:30.00 | simonrvn | like smtp.domain.tld or mail.xxxx.yyy |
| 08:30.03 | jetscreamer | checks it out |
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| 08:30.43 | simonrvn | havocologe: easier to move it, or point it somewhere else, also helps in identifying the purpose of the host. |
| 08:30.52 | havocologe | ah ok got it. |
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| 08:31.14 | simonrvn | the RFCs cover that i think |
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| 08:31.57 | Somni | caraconan: I don't see how an AMD kernel could be at all valid for an Intel processor |
| 08:32.54 | caraconan | <Somni> it is, i've tested it before |
| 08:33.16 | caraconan | amd64 it's the name, but describes 64 bits architecture |
| 08:33.22 | Somni | whether it works is not really the point; the selection is for optimizations |
| 08:33.26 | koolini | is "apt-get autoclean" safe ? |
| 08:33.38 | Somni | koolini: safe for what? |
| 08:33.53 | caraconan | [Solved] My Intel Centrino is NOT 64 bits capable |
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| 08:35.43 | koolini | Somni: safe to run on my pc . is there a chance Debian will become unstable after running it? |
| 08:36.13 | Somni | no; man apt-get explains what it does, it simply deletes cached packages, it does nothing to installed packages |
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| 08:37.17 | jetscreamer | 14 88.198.40.103 164ms 163ms 163ms TTL: 51 (static.88-198-40-103.clients.your-server.de ok) that's where i end up |
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| 08:38.42 | koolini | Somni: ok, thank you! |
| 08:38.56 | jetscreamer | debian will melt your box |
| 08:39.09 | jetscreamer | and make your ac not work |
| 08:39.12 | jetscreamer | a/c |
| 08:39.24 | jetscreamer | and run up your cable bill |
| 08:40.20 | jetscreamer | but it makes a nice cup of tea |
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| 08:41.12 | jester45 | jetscreamer: and how would you go about proving this? |
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| 08:43.36 | jetscreamer | about the tea? |
| 08:43.49 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 08:44.56 | jetscreamer | i remember on a web host's forum the boxes didn't resolve to the client's domains but the host's fqdn... host fixed it iirc. no idea if related. |
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| 08:57.35 | jetscreamer | i will not say 'coffee tea or me' because i'm not an airline stewardess ... http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Coffee.html#toc1 |
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| 09:00.56 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 09:01.47 | rexwin | Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 09:01.53 | rexwin | Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 09:02.11 | jetscreamer | as root eh |
| 09:02.20 | rexwin | i killed all apt process and still getting the message |
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| 09:02.32 | assasusonic | hi everyone |
| 09:02.40 | rexwin | yep, am logged in as root |
| 09:02.46 | jetscreamer | !greet assasukasse |
| 09:02.46 | dpkg | Tag, assasukasse |
| 09:03.47 | rexwin | nm , i got it working |
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| 09:04.26 | havocologe | hm.. is anything wrong with my db.localdomain file ? http://pastebin.com/d48df1932 |
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| 09:04.28 | assasusonic | i have a small problem with lenny, i use on my laptop, yesterday the laptop went low battery and turned off |
| 09:04.38 | assasusonic | i tried to boot again this morning but i get kernel panick |
| 09:04.59 | assasusonic | i used a livecd and backupped / and /home |
| 09:05.21 | Geek`N`Proud | assasusonic: fsck / |
| 09:05.23 | assasusonic | then i used gparted to clean the disk and copied back everything using cp -prv |
| 09:05.31 | assasusonic | Geek`N`Proud, no errors found |
| 09:05.38 | Geek`N`Proud | hmmm weird |
| 09:05.42 | jetscreamer | cp -a |
| 09:05.52 | assasusonic | however when i boot i get a kernel panic, couldnt mount root fs |
| 09:06.39 | jetscreamer | wipe the disk, reinstall, restore /home |
| 09:06.42 | jester45 | check grub's config to make sure your trying to load the kernel from the correct drive |
| 09:06.54 | assasusonic | jetscreamer, menu.lst is correct |
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| 09:07.16 | assasusonic | before i had a resume=uuid smth, but i wiped since i don't use resume anymore.. |
| 09:07.18 | jetscreamer | jester45: ^^ |
| 09:07.34 | assasusonic | i checked fstab and menu.lst, both are correct |
| 09:07.51 | assasusonic | is very very strange what happens...i wonder if i should chroot and reinstall kernel |
| 09:08.05 | assasusonic | is it possible that the kernel got b0rked? |
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| 09:08.31 | assasusonic | just to make sure i am also running badblocks |
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| 09:09.16 | assasusonic | jetscreamer, i would avoid to reinstall since i have alot of custom config |
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| 09:10.00 | Geek`N`Proud | assasusonic: backup /etc then =] |
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| 09:10.18 | assasusonic | agggh i hate JFS, this is the 3rd time it gives problems |
| 09:10.29 | Geek`N`Proud | JFS has been buggy for me too |
| 09:10.37 | Geek`N`Proud | my advice is avoid extattrs with it |
| 09:10.45 | assasusonic | Geek`N`Proud, this time i am using reiserfs |
| 09:10.49 | Geek`N`Proud | they cause kernel oopses during mass relabels and stuff |
| 09:10.56 | Geek`N`Proud | nooooooooooooo |
| 09:10.59 | assasusonic | not good? |
| 09:11.04 | Geek`N`Proud | reiserfs has unfixed bugs |
| 09:11.05 | assasusonic | i always used and it worked great |
| 09:11.09 | assasusonic | ah |
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| 09:11.12 | assasusonic | ext3 then :D |
| 09:11.43 | Geek`N`Proud | yeah ext3.. just don't be tempted by ext4 (it nuked two torrent downloads with pdflush going mad and bringing my box to a standstill) |
| 09:12.01 | Geek`N`Proud | XFS hasn't yet caused me any major issues (touchwood) |
| 09:12.06 | assasusonic | Geek`N`Proud, i already tried reiser4 |
| 09:12.11 | assasusonic | and i baked my disk :D |
| 09:12.30 | assasusonic | XFS was working fine, but doesn't support grub |
| 09:12.37 | Geek`N`Proud | sure it does |
| 09:12.48 | Geek`N`Proud | i've been using it for months with GRUB without issues |
| 09:12.55 | Geek`N`Proud | i've had crashes and everything |
| 09:13.10 | Geek`N`Proud | by the same token, JFS isn't supported either or ext4 |
| 09:13.34 | assasusonic | is a new thing then since last time when i installed /boot needed to be in another FS than XFS |
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| 09:13.57 | Geek`N`Proud | assasusonic: that was probably back when /boot had to be ext2 still >.> |
| 09:14.14 | jetscreamer | jfs has never messed me over |
| 09:14.25 | assasusonic | jetscreamer, me 3 times |
| 09:14.34 | assasusonic | xfs messed me too once but i recovered most |
| 09:14.38 | Geek`N`Proud | jetscreamer: nor me in any major way.. but extattrs have been buggy with kernel oopses |
| 09:14.40 | assasusonic | ext3 has never ever messed :D |
| 09:14.56 | jetscreamer | try ext4 |
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| 09:15.04 | Geek`N`Proud | assasusonic: check your hardware.. do a full extended SMART test on your disk |
| 09:15.28 | jetscreamer | hey does lenny support ext4 installs? |
| 09:15.34 | Geek`N`Proud | jetscreamer: noooooo.. I mounted an ext3 partition as ext4 and every time I used KTorrent pdflush would go mad after an hour and my downloads would be nuked |
| 09:15.39 | jetscreamer | iirc the beta had it? |
| 09:15.48 | Geek`N`Proud | jetscreamer: nopes not to my knowledge |
| 09:16.03 | Geek`N`Proud | as ext4dev wasn't in the kernel as ext4 till 2.6.27.x IIRC |
| 09:16.12 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 09:16.40 | Geek`N`Proud | I hope Linux ports UFS2 some day |
| 09:16.54 | jetscreamer | never heard of it |
| 09:17.03 | streuner__ | !ext4 |
| 09:17.03 | dpkg | well, ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. |
| 09:17.26 | Geek`N`Proud | UFS2 from FreeBSD is a lot better than all of our current filesystems excluding maybe btrfs |
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| 09:19.02 | Geek`N`Proud | it has the tail packing that reiserfs has, a nice equivalent to journalling called soft updates, extents like ext4, XFS, JFS and very large disk support, well tested etc. |
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| 09:19.26 | zcat[1] | !info ltsp-server-standalone |
| 09:19.33 | Geek`N`Proud | !ufs2 |
| 09:19.38 | Geek`N`Proud | !ufs |
| 09:19.38 | dpkg | ufs is, like, the amazing fs that the enlightened ones use, the file system with stable code, softupdates and other such magic that makes fsck at boot a thing of the past, and ext2fs wince, or all that is a bunch of crap. All the BSDs can be crashed using softupdates, or crashing is only currently... |
| 09:19.50 | zcat[1] | ummm |
| 09:19.52 | Geek`N`Proud | >.> |
| 09:19.58 | dpkg | ltsp-server-standalone: (complete LTSP server environment), section misc, is extra. Version: 5.1.64-1 (sid), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
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| 09:20.07 | assasusonic | well i will reboot now, check the kernel panic message and see if i can find more info,... |
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| 09:20.20 | zcat[1] | ahhh.. how does debian repos work.. main, extra? |
| 09:20.22 | Geek`N`Proud | nice factoid xD |
| 09:20.25 | nsadmin | if you want to see bot output yourself just msg the bot |
| 09:20.32 | jetscreamer | !non-free |
| 09:20.32 | dpkg | non-free is probably a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 09:20.33 | Geek`N`Proud | zcat[1]: main contrib and non-free |
| 09:20.36 | assasusonic | ah no yet, i need to finish badblocks 1st |
| 09:20.40 | jetscreamer | and contrib |
| 09:20.56 | zcat[1] | so where is ltsp-server-standalone then? |
| 09:21.03 | nsadmin | zcat[1] it's partially explained in man 5 sources.list |
| 09:21.16 | jetscreamer | are you using sid? |
| 09:21.22 | zcat[1] | do not have debian installed here.. |
| 09:21.29 | zcat[1] | trying to answer someone else's q |
| 09:21.46 | nsadmin | you could search http://packages.debian.org |
| 09:22.10 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search ltsp-server-standalone |
| 09:22.11 | nsadmin | or browse the package sections there too |
| 09:22.30 | jetscreamer | or apt-cache search ltsp-server or ltsp- |
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| 09:22.58 | jetscreamer | extra is just a subsection of main |
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| 09:24.14 | zcat[1] | so if they have main in their apt sources, they should find the package? apparently they can't apt-get it. |
| 09:24.55 | nsadmin | what is their /etc/debian_version |
| 09:25.15 | zcat[1] | no idea ;) |
| 09:25.22 | nsadmin | ok, likewise |
| 09:25.24 | zcat[1] | will let them figure it out |
| 09:27.07 | nsadmin | also they could do any of: search packages.debian.org, use apt-cache subcommands, read other reference covering what they want to do, once exausted all those, they could post to debian-user@lists.debian.org or come here |
| 09:28.00 | nsadmin | in that approximate order to maximize use of what's already been written |
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| 09:30.24 | M_23_LTU | If you are pretty nasty gril, lets chat |
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| 09:32.15 | assasusonic | bah badblocks says im fine..i can't figure out why the hell i get a kernel panic when booting then.. |
| 09:32.33 | assasusonic | rebooting |
| 09:37.35 | nsadmin | isn't badblocks a destructive test? |
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| 09:39.23 | bman | is on newer drives |
| 09:39.26 | bman | nsadmin, |
| 09:39.45 | bman | especially on flash drives or those hybrids |
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| 09:40.06 | nsadmin | so by running badblocks, it writes to the drive... but not what it reads? so it fu*ks up the partition? |
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| 09:41.03 | bman | no, the reason its destructive to the flash/hybrids is because they are only designed for so many read/writes |
| 09:41.04 | nsadmin | {admin} :P |
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| 09:41.18 | bman | badblocks check reads and writes a shit load |
| 09:41.22 | nsadmin | oh, so they're throwaway storage |
| 09:41.32 | bman | no nessesarily |
| 09:41.42 | bman | just meant to be read more than writed |
| 09:41.57 | bman | dont want to do a defrag on them either for the same reason |
| 09:42.11 | nsadmin | right |
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| 09:42.25 | assasusonic | well, no way.. |
| 09:42.31 | assasusonic | i don't know why it doesn't boot |
| 09:42.38 | assasusonic | but i copied down the messages.. |
| 09:42.40 | nsadmin | assasusonic: could it be... |
| 09:42.52 | nsadmin | some drivers are missing? |
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| 09:43.38 | assasusonic | nsadmin, i checked reiserprogs are installed |
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| 09:43.56 | assasusonic | i get this error: List of all partitions: |
| 09:43.57 | nsadmin | you're runnign which debian? |
| 09:44.04 | assasusonic | no FS could mount root, tried: |
| 09:44.08 | Penix | wenas |
| 09:44.27 | assasusonic | kernel panic not syncing VFS unable to mount root FS on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 09:44.34 | nsadmin | Penix: in this case "unaffiliated" means no gf? :) |
| 09:44.50 | nsadmin | assasusonic: what kind of filesystem? |
| 09:44.57 | assasusonic | reiserfs |
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| 09:45.20 | nsadmin | ok, which debian? what's your /etc/debian_version? |
| 09:45.57 | assasusonic | nsadmin, lenny |
| 09:46.05 | gypsymauro | hello, I've a wired connection that loss some pings , it's a right thing to change MTU to make it more stable? |
| 09:46.08 | nsadmin | ok, so it says 5.0? |
| 09:46.52 | assasusonic | nsadmin, i didn't check but is an install of lenny i made myself 2 months ago |
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| 09:47.14 | nsadmin | assasusonic: also what does your uname -r say? |
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| 09:47.37 | nsadmin | oh, 2 months ago? could that be before lenny release? |
| 09:47.38 | enouf | gypsymauro: how about changing the cable |
| 09:47.46 | DASPRiD | hi, when trying to create a .deb package from ffmpeg with libamr, i get the following error: "dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/local/lib/libamrnb.so.3" any idea what that means / how to fix it? |
| 09:48.08 | enouf | gypsymauro: for a new(er) one - also does ifconfig -a show tx/rx errors? |
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| 09:48.21 | assasusonic | 2.6.26 |
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| 09:48.34 | assasusonic | nsadmin, im reinstalling-sure kernel, just to make sure... |
| 09:48.42 | nsadmin | DASPRiD: that dpkg-shlibdeps found libs there's no package for |
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| 09:49.03 | DASPRiD | nsadmin, oh, yeah, i installed libamr manually because it's nonfree |
| 09:49.08 | assasusonic | nsadmin, yes i upgraded till now |
| 09:49.11 | DASPRiD | nsadmin, so i cant create package for it? |
| 09:49.36 | nsadmin | you'd have to create the package for the lib |
| 09:49.43 | nsadmin | then you could probably do it |
| 09:49.53 | DASPRiD | nsadmin, i see, lemme test that, thanks |
| 09:50.00 | enouf | you want man dh_make or one of those |
| 09:50.23 | nsadmin | ls /usr/sbin/dh_* |
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| 09:50.44 | nsadmin | and look at all those manpages too, would make a good project |
| 09:50.52 | enouf | yep ;-) |
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| 09:51.00 | nsadmin | wait, that's not where they are |
| 09:51.02 | DASPRiD | nsadmin, hm, but how to create a package from downloaded source? |
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| 09:51.25 | enouf | man dh_[tab][tab] works for me :-p |
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| 09:51.35 | nsadmin | DASPRiD: that is a big question... one that's answered bigly in the packaging manual |
| 09:52.00 | DASPRiD | nsadmin, oh, sorry, didnt think of googling :) |
| 09:52.03 | enouf | !packaging basics |
| 09:52.04 | assasusonic | nsadmin, i reinstalled kernel, should i try smth else? |
| 09:52.12 | enouf | !package basics |
| 09:52.12 | dpkg | methinks package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 09:52.31 | nsadmin | assasusonic: and tried rebooting? |
| 09:52.40 | assasusonic | nsadmin, not yet i try now :D |
| 09:52.46 | assasusonic | i reinstalled reiserfsprogs |
| 09:52.48 | assasusonic | and kernel image |
| 09:52.50 | assasusonic | let's see |
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| 09:52.57 | assasusonic | brb |
| 09:52.58 | nsadmin | did you build that kerne. |
| 09:52.59 | nsadmin | ? |
| 09:53.27 | atomikuWork | I would like to `find` all "logs" folder within a "public" folder. So I'm kinda wanting to do something like `find . -type d -name public/logs/`. How can I do this? |
| 09:53.35 | nsadmin | maybe should ask why reiser and is his wife safe :) |
| 09:54.10 | gypsymauro | enouf: I'll try tanx |
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| 09:54.29 | enouf | find /public/logs -name "*logs*" -type d |
| 09:54.39 | atomikuWork | hmmm kinda |
| 09:54.47 | atomikuWork | I'm in a /srv/ folder. there is: /srv/website.com/public/logs/ |
| 09:54.58 | atomikuWork | also /srv/anotherwebsite.com/public/logs/ |
| 09:55.04 | atomikuWork | So... hmm? |
| 09:55.07 | enouf | atomikuWork: /msg dokg using find |
| 09:55.14 | enouf | atomikuWork: /msg dpkg using find |
| 09:55.17 | atomikuWork | I had a look at the documentation |
| 09:55.33 | nsadmin | enouf: wouldn't that succeed for every success of find /public/logs? |
| 09:55.34 | atomikuWork | Didn't help too much |
| 09:55.55 | nsadmin | stevie ray vaughn?? |
| 09:56.09 | enouf | find ./anotherwebsite.com/public/logs/ ./website.com/public/logs/ -name "*logs*" -type d |
| 09:56.19 | enouf | it's ugly, but works |
| 09:56.21 | atomikuWork | But I don't know what the anotherwebsite.com/ dirs are going to be :( |
| 09:56.30 | atomikuWork | find ./*/public/logs/ maybe |
| 09:56.35 | enouf | find ./anotherwebsite.com/ ./website.com/public/logs/ -name "*logs*" -type d |
| 09:57.01 | nsadmin | it would run faster if the -type d were before the -name |
| 09:57.06 | enouf | you SURELY did NOT read the documentation .. nor have you tried |
| 09:57.12 | atomikuWork | I've been trying, yes |
| 09:57.17 | enouf | find is recursive via default |
| 09:57.22 | nsadmin | or would that defeat the purpose? |
| 09:57.47 | nsadmin | he hasn't yet understood it, at minimum |
| 09:57.56 | enouf | nsadmin: why does it run faster then if -type f is last? |
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| 09:58.20 | nsadmin | I thought you said -type d |
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| 09:58.38 | nsadmin | you did said -type d! |
| 09:58.40 | enouf | oh i see .. i guess so then yeah |
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| 09:58.50 | assasusonic | nsadmin, no way |
| 09:58.54 | assasusonic | still the same error |
| 09:58.55 | atomikuWork | find ./*/public/ -name "logs" -type d -depth 1 |
| 09:58.59 | atomikuWork | That would do the job nicely |
| 09:59.03 | atomikuWork | BUT, it complains when I put in -depth 1 |
| 09:59.08 | atomikuWork | find: paths must precede expression |
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| 09:59.38 | nsadmin | assasusonic: did you build that kernel? |
| 09:59.40 | enouf | supposedly when -type f is used it's best to put last, but prior to any -print or -exec things obviously |
| 09:59.49 | assasusonic | nsadmin, no |
| 09:59.49 | atomikuWork | -maxdepth 1. |
| 09:59.51 | atomikuWork | There, it works. |
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| 10:00.04 | nsadmin | hmm... |
| 10:00.05 | atomikuWork | `find ./*/public/ -maxdepth 1 -name "logs" -type d` |
| 10:00.11 | atomikuWork | Thanks for the help guys :) |
| 10:00.15 | nsadmin | could you... |
| 10:00.17 | assasusonic | nsadmin, not that i remember |
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| 10:00.21 | assasusonic | but it could be :D |
| 10:00.30 | atomikuWork | Now all I need to do is pass it to rm -rf, and i've got myself a log cleaner bash script, mwuaha. |
| 10:00.32 | assasusonic | now u make me doubt |
| 10:00.37 | nsadmin | what's the uname -r? |
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| 10:01.34 | nsadmin | assasusonic: how did you reinstall the kernel before? |
| 10:01.51 | assasusonic | reinstall-sure linux-imag |
| 10:02.12 | nsadmin | is that the full command? |
| 10:02.15 | DASPRiD | nsadmin, found it, "checkinstall" did the trick to create the package easily |
| 10:02.22 | assasusonic | no is not |
| 10:02.24 | enouf | ugh |
| 10:02.30 | assasusonic | i reinstalled the linux-image package |
| 10:02.40 | enouf | !checkinstall |
| 10:02.40 | dpkg | somebody said checkinstall was a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because of bug #281823 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 Ask me about <stow>. |
| 10:02.42 | nsadmin | assasusonic: using apt-get? |
| 10:02.43 | assasusonic | nsadmin, i have smth strange |
| 10:02.48 | assasusonic | yes |
| 10:02.51 | assasusonic | and aptitude |
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| 10:03.21 | tuxinator | hi all |
| 10:03.33 | tuxinator | how to find out how oom-killer got invoked and why? |
| 10:03.49 | tuxinator | we run a etch and a half kernel here, is there a known bug¨$ |
| 10:03.51 | tuxinator | ? |
| 10:04.01 | nsadmin | ok... so if all that's true, then you're getting linux-image packages from one of the repos your sources.list point at |
| 10:04.06 | DASPRiD | enouf, uhm, so? it worked nicely here (its in the ubuntu sources), but are theree alternatives? |
| 10:04.34 | enouf | tuxinator: man proc - check your /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_* values |
| 10:04.35 | assasusonic | ok the problem is this nsadmin, it worked fine till it went off no battery, from then, it didn't boot with this strange message |
| 10:04.49 | assasusonic | this "unknown-block(0,0)" |
| 10:04.59 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 10:05.09 | nsadmin | could it be your partition was somehow damaged? |
| 10:05.32 | assasusonic | nsadmin, but i backupped everything, wiped, and made a new partition |
| 10:05.51 | atomikuWork | How can I find out how big a folder is? |
| 10:05.51 | enouf | DASPRiD: /msg dpkg nmg (and ask over there in that channel mentioned) |
| 10:05.53 | nsadmin | ok |
| 10:06.06 | DASPRiD | enouf, thx |
| 10:06.08 | assasusonic | nsadmin, i switched from jfs to reiserfs |
| 10:06.10 | nsadmin | why reiser btw? and have you hugged your wife today? :) |
| 10:06.17 | enouf | atomikuWork: man du |
| 10:06.21 | assasusonic | nsadmin, no wife so far :D |
| 10:06.32 | nsadmin | so you say :) |
| 10:06.33 | atomikuWork | enouf: thanks |
| 10:06.34 | lvh | assasusonic: as long as that doesn't change into "no wife anymore", you'll be fine |
| 10:06.49 | enouf | atomikuWork: man df while you're there :-) |
| 10:06.50 | nsadmin | anyway no more reiser jokes... |
| 10:06.54 | tuxinator | emouf: ok, thanks alot |
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| 10:07.04 | assasusonic | lvh, well, broken up after 10 years |
| 10:07.06 | |tictac| | hi |
| 10:07.08 | assasusonic | is like losing a wife :D |
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| 10:07.27 | tuxinator | enouf: cat /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_* |
| 10:07.28 | tuxinator | 0 |
| 10:07.30 | tuxinator | 50 |
| 10:07.31 | assasusonic | nsadmin, ok u got me, i wipe again and go on ext3 |
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| 10:07.39 | enouf | tuxinator: i set my values using sysctl |
| 10:07.50 | nsadmin | which reiser version? |
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| 10:08.03 | DASPRiD | enouf, well so checkinstall is just not good for distribution, but works fine for maintaining packages from source on your own pc, no? |
| 10:08.07 | nsadmin | if it's 3, there are serious corruption possibilities |
| 10:08.07 | enouf | tuxinator: IIRC, those were ~60 and 0 as default |
| 10:08.21 | assasusonic | nsadmin, 3 |
| 10:08.23 | tuxinator | enouf: what to do with that values? |
| 10:08.28 | enouf | tuxinator: mine is now 80 and 2 .. but read what 2 does |
| 10:08.33 | nsadmin | hmm, recommend you get away from that |
| 10:08.34 | assasusonic | nsadmin, i poop it and put ext3 |
| 10:08.41 | tuxinator | ok |
| 10:08.56 | tuxinator | enouf: ok, how to see what invoked the oom-killer? |
| 10:09.11 | nsadmin | ext3 is sorta clunky but it generally works |
| 10:09.20 | enouf | tuxinator: the kernel invokes it, you basically ran out of memory ... |
| 10:09.28 | enouf | perhaps you have an app that leaks? |
| 10:09.34 | nsadmin | Torvalds is definitely not liking ext* anymore... |
| 10:10.06 | enouf | i use reiserfs 3.6 |
| 10:10.30 | tuxinator | enouf: how to see what run me out of memory? monitor it before? |
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| 10:10.42 | nsadmin | assasusonic: it's -possible- that some kernels built for debian repos don't have reiser support (but that's a guess) |
| 10:10.44 | enouf | tuxinator: yes |
| 10:10.59 | assasusonic | ok how do i copy everything from the backup, cp -prv or cp -av |
| 10:11.29 | nsadmin | how did you make the backup? |
| 10:12.02 | assasusonic | cp -prv |
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| 10:12.19 | assasusonic | nsadmin, cp -prv |
| 10:12.28 | nsadmin | maybe use prv too |
| 10:12.33 | assasusonic | oki |
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| 10:12.42 | tuxinator | enouf: ok and on what should we look specialy for monitoring why we run in to this |
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| 10:13.30 | enouf | tuxinator: using free and top/htop are self explanatory basically - and do you have a swap? |
| 10:13.35 | nsadmin | but!! I'm not that familiar with using cp to make or restore backups... I like ( ... tar c... ) | ( ... tar x... ) |
| 10:13.52 | tuxinator | enouf: yes we have large swap |
| 10:14.02 | enouf | tuxinator: is it being used? |
| 10:14.04 | tuxinator | enouf: could it come from gfs / ocfs module? |
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| 10:14.11 | tuxinator | enouf: yes |
| 10:14.15 | nsadmin | it's never -ever- failed me |
| 10:14.16 | Sparky_ | DCC SEND "0101010101010101" 0 0 0 |
| 10:14.20 | enouf | i don't know offhand |
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| 10:14.29 | enouf | !spank Sparky_ |
| 10:14.30 | dpkg | bends Sparky_ over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 10:14.41 | |tictac| | in my debian new server external ssh connection are refused, any idea? |
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| 10:14.52 | |tictac| | where to check? |
| 10:14.54 | Sparky_ | DCC SEND "0101010101010101" 0 0 0 |
| 10:14.54 | enouf | !ops Sparky_ is a ass |
| 10:14.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: enouf complains about: Sparky_ is a ass |
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| 10:15.22 | enouf | thank you |
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| 10:15.36 | nsadmin | that guy needed to be glined |
| 10:15.47 | nsadmin | multiple offences |
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| 10:18.55 | enouf | tuxinator: IIRC, the 2 value in /overcommit_memory will atleast stop oomkiller from being invoked, however, you may then end up with a real cludgy/slow/stuck system at some point (the point when whatever is causing massive RAM usage and swap is used, or starts to leak like a seive) |
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| 10:20.04 | enouf | tuxinator: better /msg dpkg sysrq (and practice using it prior) ;-) |
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| 10:20.53 | tuxinator | enouf: thanks very very much |
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| 10:21.08 | enouf | np ;-) |
| 10:22.38 | enouf | tuxinator: btw is that a debian kernel? what's uname -r say? and if custom, who built it? |
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| 10:25.15 | tuxinator | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 10:25.39 | encompass | I have a Broadcom bcm5906 Rev 2 wireless card. at least according to the lspci. Is it possible to get this working in Debian? I can't seem to find any docs on it. |
| 10:26.07 | avu | !tell encompass about which driver |
| 10:26.14 | avu | encompass, that site can tell you |
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| 10:26.51 | wal3 | whats better for backup: rdiff-backup or tar with incrementals? |
| 10:27.20 | nsadmin | what's "better" mean? |
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| 10:28.11 | encompass | avu: I will use it... dang... is that new? I have never seen that before! |
| 10:28.18 | avu | nope |
| 10:28.24 | petemc | wal3: i use dirvish which is similar to rdiff-backup, it works well for me, you set it and forget it |
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| 10:29.31 | wal3 | let me google for that |
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| 10:32.28 | petemc | wal3: theres also backuppc, dirvish works great but its not being actively developed i believe |
| 10:33.37 | sep | wal3, listen to petemc backuppc is great, and have active development |
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| 10:37.59 | encompass | thanks guys |
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| 10:41.28 | Buck | heys |
| 10:41.35 | Buck | how can I find out which package has a certain command? |
| 10:41.40 | Buck | I'm looking for the package that contains rz |
| 10:41.49 | assasusonic | nsadmin, no way, it doesn't boot with ext3 as well. i suppose is so borked i need to reinstall |
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| 10:42.30 | Zharf | Buck, apt-file maybe |
| 10:42.53 | rbo | hi! i've just created according the guide (http://www.linuxconfig.org/Howto_CREATE_BUNDLE_UPLOAD_and_ACCESS_custom_Debian_AMI_using_ubuntu) new Debian copy to run it as Amazon EC2 machine. Unfortunately, there's no /dev/sd* devices. How can i add them? |
| 10:44.10 | Boohbah | rbo: why? |
| 10:44.26 | rbo | Boohbah: i need to ad virtual block device |
| 10:44.30 | rbo | add* |
| 10:45.03 | nsadmin | assasusonic: try update-grub |
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| 10:45.43 | tuxinator | enouf: i have some more questions later, are you online in 30minutes or so? |
| 10:46.10 | assasusonic | nsadmin, i used the grub menu, i gave root (0,1) |
| 10:46.15 | assasusonic | setup (hd0) |
| 10:46.22 | assasusonic | do i also need to give update grub? |
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| 10:47.10 | nsadmin | are you getting the correct kernel when you boot? |
| 10:48.05 | assasusonic | nsadmin, only one kernel installed, i removed the other |
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| 10:48.37 | nsadmin | oh ok, look in /boot to make sure only one kernel and its associated initrd |
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| 10:49.24 | nsadmin | also make sure that grub does load the initrd |
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| 10:49.59 | assasusonic | nsadmin, u right, not only one.. |
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| 10:50.31 | assasusonic | btw nsadmin should i give update-grub from chroot? |
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| 10:51.44 | wulloce | i downloaded a businesscard image as a .iso, extracted the files with winzip and burn them to a cd-rw but the resultant cd is not bootable. have i missed something? |
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| 10:54.42 | TheSpark | DCC SEND "0101010101010101" 0 0 0 |
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| 10:55.18 | nsadmin | !ops TheSpark same as Sparky_ |
| 10:55.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nsadmin complains about: TheSpark same as Sparky_ |
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| 10:58.00 | Buck | is it possible to unpack a .mdf file in bash? |
| 10:58.02 | enouf | tuxinator: i always here .. many times available, sometimes not |
| 10:58.11 | enouf | s/i/i'm |
| 10:58.13 | nsadmin | what's .mdf? |
| 10:58.31 | enouf | Medium Density Firbreboard |
| 10:58.58 | enouf | oh that Mpoop dmf format? ...er .. |
| 10:58.59 | Buck | mdf is a cdrom iso format |
| 10:59.09 | enouf | no it's not |
| 10:59.11 | Buck | or cdrom format like iso |
| 10:59.14 | Buck | or a wrapper |
| 10:59.15 | Buck | or whatever |
| 10:59.59 | enouf | .mdf (alcohol 120%) to iso: install mdf2iso and execu |
| 11:00.01 | wulloce | i downloaded a businesscard image as a .iso, extracted the files with winzip and burn them to a cd-rw but the resultant cd is not bootable. have i missed something? |
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| 11:00.30 | enouf | and execute: # mdf2iso image.mdf |
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| 11:00.50 | Buck | enouf: can I then unpack the resulting iso? |
| 11:01.14 | nsadmin | wulloce: don't extract, just write the image raw onto the media |
| 11:01.14 | Buck | this is on a vps that can't mount isos |
| 11:01.14 | nsadmin | the image does the booty call |
| 11:01.24 | enouf | it'll be an ISO9660 and you can do whatever you want with it .. mount it, whatever |
| 11:01.40 | Buck | I can't mount it, I need to unpack it somehow |
| 11:01.54 | wulloce | nsadmin: i did that initially, it is written as one .iso file, also not bootable. |
| 11:01.56 | enouf | there is no pack |
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| 11:02.04 | Buck | you know what I mean |
| 11:02.30 | nsadmin | wulloce so you didn't write it -raw- onto the media, you put the iso inside an iso and burned that |
| 11:02.40 | enouf | why can't a vps mount ISOs? |
| 11:02.42 | nsadmin | well the program you used did |
| 11:02.51 | Buck | enouf: because the host did a poor job of configuring it |
| 11:03.01 | Buck | XEN vps can do it fine |
| 11:03.03 | enouf | it's not Debian then eh? |
| 11:03.05 | wulloce | nsadmin: how to write it raw? |
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| 11:03.07 | Buck | it is debian |
| 11:03.21 | maniac_macpain1 | hey |
| 11:03.26 | enouf | it's not a Debian kernel .. because that's all you need |
| 11:03.30 | nsadmin | wulloce depends what program you use to do it |
| 11:03.41 | Buck | I don't have access to /dev/loop |
| 11:03.44 | Boohbah | Buck: perhaps you can mount the iso on your local machine then make a tarball and upload that |
| 11:03.45 | Buck | I have a debian kernel |
| 11:03.54 | Buck | yeah Boohbah, that was my backup plan |
| 11:03.59 | wulloce | nsadmin: i did it with the 'burn' in Vista. |
| 11:04.03 | Buck | but I have a slow connection and 600 MB takes a while :( |
| 11:04.17 | maniac_macpain1 | i want to start a existing raid0. what must i do? |
| 11:04.26 | nsadmin | maybe burn can do it, you have to play with it or read its manual |
| 11:04.31 | Buck | I guess I'll have to do it then anyway |
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| 11:04.49 | ktwilight_ | hm, java browser plugin is buggy? |
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| 11:05.29 | wulloce | nsadmin: will look into that. thks. gotta go. bye. |
| 11:05.34 | Coweater | wulloce: grab isorecorder, it'll let you burn images from vista http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm |
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| 11:07.14 | rbo | resolved |
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| 11:19.17 | fliegenderfrosch | I have to replace a harddisk in a raid1 (total 2 hds). Can I use a different model with a slightly larger capacity? |
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| 11:22.18 | liable | larger capacity is ok, you have to make the partition the correct size though iirc |
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| 11:26.52 | plsd | Anyone here good with .pdf files? I downloaded pdftk and figured out how to dump the metadata, anyone know how to remove metadata? Is there any more info besides what pdftk dumps that I should know about? And what are the hashes in PdfID0 and PdfID1 for? |
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| 11:37.03 | tuxinator | enouf: any suggestions how to ommit such memory usage in future? |
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| 11:38.49 | Boohbah | plsd: http://www.pdf-tools.com/asp/pdf-specifications.asp |
| 11:38.53 | enouf | tuxinator: do you mean for all apps and users? |
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| 11:39.27 | tuxinator | enouf: hmm, yes or atleast for script-kiddies? perhaps limits.con? |
| 11:39.35 | tuxinator | enouf: i mean limits.conf |
| 11:39.45 | rbo | hi! i can see nor JRE nor JDK. why? i need Sun-Java |
| 11:40.06 | enouf | tuxinator: man bash, see ulimit, look at perhaps using Xen or some other VM - if 64bit you might want to try coarse memory management using something like numa=fake kernel param |
| 11:40.18 | plsd | Boohbah, Thanks, I'm downloading it. Do you know if it's 'harmful' to remove metadata? I mean, can't it affect the document? (I'm talking about infokey and infovalue, not bookmarks) I'm guessing it can't? |
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| 11:40.53 | Boohbah | plsd: i don't know |
| 11:41.28 | rbo | maybe i need to setup Debian repositories? |
| 11:41.30 | enouf | !java |
| 11:41.30 | dpkg | somebody said java was a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java |
| 11:41.40 | plsd | Boohbah, ok. I checked the document you sent and it doesn't mention PdfID. |
| 11:42.11 | rbo | enouf: there are JDK and JRE in Ubuntu and Gentoo |
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| 11:42.29 | pappanz | hello. could you give me an advice? I only have tried debian stable and testing. Is unstable "usable"? Would you reccommend using it? |
| 11:42.41 | enouf | why? nobody cares about java |
| 11:42.52 | tuxinator | enouf: we have that problem again |
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| 11:43.18 | tuxinator | enouf: we have that problem again |
| 11:43.19 | rbo | enouf: in repo |
| 11:43.26 | enouf | tuxinator: after last time, was the machine rebooted? |
| 11:43.33 | tuxinator | enouf: sorry for double posting |
| 11:43.37 | tuxinator | enouf: no |
| 11:43.46 | tuxinator | enouf: do we have to? |
| 11:43.55 | enouf | tuxinator: well what's eating up all your RAM? |
| 11:43.58 | rbo | !install java |
| 11:43.58 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java-6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>. |
| 11:44.02 | tuxinator | enouf: cat overcommit_memory |
| 11:44.04 | tuxinator | 2 |
| 11:44.05 | enouf | not necessarily tuxinator |
| 11:45.15 | enouf | tuxinator: i'm not sure, but i'd think you;d need to atleast sync the filesystems, swapoff (which will require free RAM), then swapon for that to take full affect |
| 11:45.16 | tuxinator | enouf: see http://pastebin.com/m1323343c |
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| 11:46.48 | enouf | tuxinator: in /etc/sysctl.conf i have; http://pastebin.ca/raw/1371545 |
| 11:47.42 | enouf | tuxinator: so that it's applied upon every boot - you could've set that using sysctl -w (man sysctl) |
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| 11:48.52 | tuxinator | enouf: please see here: it seems to be lowmem going up and down and up and down like the song :D http://pastebin.com/m2ae39e76 |
| 11:49.17 | huwenfeng | oh , good, i wonder, did lenny adopt the upstart startup system? |
| 11:49.35 | petemc | upstart |
| 11:49.39 | petemc | negative |
| 11:49.50 | petemc | !upstart |
| 11:49.50 | dpkg | from memory, upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running. check http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ for more details. upstart is packaged in <experimental>. |
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| 11:50.53 | huwenfeng | oh, in experimental, so debian is still using the old but robust sysv-init method? |
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| 11:51.58 | avu | and it's not about to change, even if upstart migrates to sid |
| 11:52.16 | avu | there already are alternative init implementations even in stable |
| 11:52.23 | avu | they're just not used by default |
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| 11:53.04 | starbuck33 | hi, i have a problem with ctorrent and nohup, the nohup.out gets very big within shortest time. there are millions of "Input error: Bad file descriptor" in it. somehow nohup doesnt seem to work properly |
| 11:53.28 | starbuck33 | any suggestions? |
| 11:54.00 | tuxinator | enouf: how to see what uses lowmemory? |
| 11:54.05 | avu | starbuck33, you could try starting ctorrent with </dev/null |
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| 11:55.12 | avu | starbuck33, or use screen(1) instead of nohup |
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| 11:56.02 | enouf | tuxinator: odd, looks pretty ok to me - you're only using 66M of swap, and yet you have over 2GB or RAM available (so swapoff/swapon shouldn't be a problem at all) .. pastebin output of "free -m" and "ps -F -u clemens" but it looks like you have smbd issues? |
| 11:56.44 | starbuck33 | avu, is it normal that - nohup "command" & - doesn't go back to normal command line, it somehow hangs after telling me that it ignores input |
| 11:57.07 | enouf | tuxinator: run iotop as well - i don't like seeing CPU0 at 80%idle and CPU1 at 82%waiting |
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| 11:57.23 | tuxinator | enouf: see http://pastebin.com/d7a07e70d |
| 11:57.29 | avu | starbuck33, just press enter. |
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| 11:57.41 | avu | starbuck33, but, really, nohup is seldom what you really want |
| 11:57.51 | Meta | maligor: I SEE YOU LINTUNEN. <3 |
| 11:57.53 | avu | starbuck33, screen(1) ist much more comfortable |
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| 11:58.31 | maligor | Meta, err? what? |
| 11:58.44 | Meta | Oh. |
| 11:58.46 | Meta | <_< |
| 11:58.54 | Meta | Elisa is a place in Finland? |
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| 11:58.56 | starbuck33 | avu, ok, i'll have a look on it. but i need it to work with ssh and it needs to go on after i close the connection... is screen able to do that? |
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| 11:59.10 | avu | starbuck33, that's what screen does, yes |
| 11:59.18 | maligor | elisa is a telephone operator :P |
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| 11:59.33 | starbuck33 | avu, thx a lot... i see what i can do now |
| 11:59.41 | Meta | maligor: Ahhh... I thought it was a custom thing my friend has. >_> |
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| 12:00.19 | clusty | hey. is there some way to see which process is hogging all the I/O bandwidth? (something like a per process iostat) |
| 12:00.27 | Meta | top |
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| 12:00.29 | tuxinator | enouf: ps -F -u clemens gives nothing |
| 12:00.33 | enouf | tuxinator: can you tell me why you're running an etch-backports .26 kernel? still on Etch? |
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| 12:01.23 | enouf | tuxinator: ouch .. mine does - clemens is a valid user, yes? |
| 12:01.28 | tuxinator | enouf: because we did wanna give gfs a try |
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| 12:01.54 | dimsuz | hi guys! Whenever I do a remote login in an additional XServer on F8 console and switch to it, the one that sits on F7 is simply terminated in about 5 min. what causes this? |
| 12:01.57 | tuxinator | enouf and gfs packages from stable where very very very broken and kernel had no support for gfs2 |
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| 12:02.12 | tuxinator | enouf: so you would recommend using other kernel? |
| 12:02.22 | enouf | ahh .. rigjt gfs - but are you on Lenny now? - and have you seen the /Documentation/filesystems/gfs* docs? |
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| 12:03.21 | tuxinator | enouf: yes, it does exist |
| 12:03.24 | enouf | tuxinator: which Stable - Lenny is now the Stable release - and has been for ~2months now |
| 12:03.35 | enouf | er.. less, but still |
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| 12:05.15 | enouf | tuxinator: i would up the _ratio value much higher - like to 80, or so, to test, ..but somehow i have a feeling your issue lies elsewhere - check logs in /var/log/ |
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| 12:05.46 | tuxinator | enouf: old stable |
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| 12:06.03 | enouf | tuxinator: ok - so, time to upgrade? ;-) |
| 12:07.08 | enouf | tuxinator: whom compiled that kernel? or... did the etch-backports .26 version come with support for gfs(2)? already? |
| 12:08.17 | enouf | tuxinator: i have atleast these in my lenny era .26 CONFIG_GFS2_FS=m CONFIG_GFS2_FS_LOCKING_NOLOCK=m CONFIG_GFS2_FS_LOCKING_DLM=m |
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| 12:10.33 | enouf | dimsuz: i think if you use gdm, there's a SESSIONTIME= value or something you can set? run gdmsetup, and see /usr/share/gdm/* |
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| 12:10.51 | dimsuz | enouf: kdm here. |
| 12:11.04 | dimsuz | i'll check its config, thanks! |
| 12:11.09 | enouf | then look into /etc/kde3/kdm/X* |
| 12:11.23 | dimsuz | i also think maybe it's x crash? or is it a normal behavior |
| 12:11.30 | dimsuz | is looking |
| 12:11.43 | enouf | dimsuz: check ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/* |
| 12:12.25 | tuxinator | enouf: we will go to a stable kernel now, i think a colleague compiled it, no more sure |
| 12:12.36 | tuxinator | enouf: rebooting now |
| 12:12.56 | johndoe | im unable to run kate & amarok (KDE apps) under GNOME desktop environment. any ideas as to why? (i was able to when i was running etch, now im running lenny) |
| 12:14.09 | enouf | johndoe: you need some qt libs? what's the error? |
| 12:14.29 | johndoe | enouf: i dont get any, it just fails to start |
| 12:14.42 | enouf | johndoe: run it in an xterm |
| 12:14.50 | johndoe | enouf: how do i do that? |
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| 12:15.12 | enouf | open a terminal - maybe xterm, or gnome-terminal or whatever |
| 12:15.17 | johndoe | aha lol |
| 12:15.20 | johndoe | terminal |
| 12:15.28 | enouf | and type; kate |
| 12:15.32 | enouf | or amarok |
| 12:15.38 | johndoe | i did that, theres no output |
| 12:15.44 | johndoe | 5 minutes ago |
| 12:16.08 | johndoe | i think i ran it yesterday and forgot about it, then after 20 minutes it showed up and then dissapeared |
| 12:16.26 | enouf | johndoe: dpkg -l | egrep 'amarok|kate' | grep ^.i |
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| 12:17.16 | johndoe | enouf: those are installed amarok amarok-common amarok-engine-xine amarok-konqsidebar kate |
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| 12:17.32 | enouf | johndoe: how were they installed? |
| 12:17.57 | johndoe | enouf: aptitude install kate amarok |
| 12:19.19 | enouf | hrm .. try "aptitude install -f" .. ask "aptitude why amarok" see if there are missing dependencies? i really don't know - do "which kate" in a terminal , then use full path to try and launch |
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| 12:20.50 | johndoe | enouf: i also installed a base KDE environment later on |
| 12:20.55 | johndoe | it aint working either |
| 12:21.06 | enouf | johndoe: if it comes to it, try something like "strace -etrace=open,close,connect -o katestrace.txt kate" then pastebin the output |
| 12:21.10 | johndoe | (at the login screen i change the session to KDM) |
| 12:21.14 | johndoe | ok |
| 12:21.32 | enouf | johndoe: which Debian release? which kernel? |
| 12:21.39 | enouf | oh |
| 12:21.57 | enouf | johndoe: did you upgrade to Lenny or a new install? |
| 12:22.20 | johndoe | fresh |
| 12:22.29 | johndoe | but i did change from i386 to amd64 |
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| 12:22.34 | enouf | johndoe: also try 'su -' enter root's passwd and try in the terminal |
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| 12:23.27 | enouf | johndoe: maybe /msg dpkg gnome (will provide some (better) answers) |
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| 12:23.42 | johndoe | ok |
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| 12:24.30 | khaije | is 32bit support baked in to 64bit lenny or do i need to add libs? |
| 12:24.51 | johndoe | add libs |
| 12:24.57 | khaije | linux32? |
| 12:25.06 | enouf | only if 32bit versions of apps are avail |
| 12:25.10 | khaije | i didn't see it, u know which? |
| 12:25.16 | johndoe | aptitude install ia32-libs |
| 12:25.22 | khaije | it's for wine also |
| 12:25.43 | khaije | ah! thx johndoe i guess that should have been obvious :) |
| 12:25.48 | johndoe | :) |
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| 12:26.26 | enouf | johndoe: you installed as you mentioned, so kate and amarok are the 64bit versions on your box; run "file `which kate`" |
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| 12:27.25 | johndoe | ELF 64-bit LSB executable |
| 12:27.54 | johndoe | enouf: i pasted the strace http://rafb.net/p/6W930j64.html |
| 12:28.52 | khaije | any insight into this particular wine error: "n1x0r@ganymede:~/bin/toyshelf/guildwars$ wine NCLauncher.exe - install the Windows version of Mono to run .NET executables" |
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| 12:29.05 | johndoe | hmm it cant find /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts |
| 12:29.25 | johndoe | khaije: maybe youre missing some libraries |
| 12:29.36 | johndoe | khaije: try to paste that error into google |
| 12:30.08 | khaije | okeedoke |
| 12:30.42 | johndoe | maybe the package is broken |
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| 12:31.08 | johndoe | enouf: just moment ago kate started and died after a second |
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| 12:32.13 | enouf | johndoe: i'm at a loss - no idea (a few wild guesses maybe, but... ) |
| 12:32.36 | johndoe | enouf: ok thanks anyway. i think its missing some files |
| 12:32.46 | johndoe | the strace is giving good info, ill try to fix it |
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| 12:34.03 | enouf | johndoe: well, you mentioned something about kdm, and kde-base? did you install kdelibs? also; dpkg-reconfigure kdm ; dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config ; update-alternatives --config x-[tab][tab] and run some of those |
| 12:34.30 | johndoe | ok |
| 12:35.26 | khaije | heeelllllooooooooo!!! |
| 12:35.43 | khaije | wine NCLauncher.exe - install the Windows version of Mono to run .NET executables |
| 12:36.00 | johndoe | lol |
| 12:36.08 | khaije | i added the libmono-winform* , but still the same problems, any help |
| 12:36.24 | khaije | tosses a high five to johndoe |
| 12:36.51 | johndoe | khaije: maybe you need .NET installed |
| 12:36.51 | khaije | oh shooooot |
| 12:37.06 | khaije | i thought i was in #wine |
| 12:37.20 | khaije | this new irc client throws me off :) |
| 12:37.29 | johndoe | bah |
| 12:37.35 | enouf | it's #winehq |
| 12:37.41 | enouf | IINM |
| 12:37.42 | johndoe | wtf i cant join wine |
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| 12:37.52 | johndoe | though so :P |
| 12:38.16 | johndoe | khaije: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-users/2006-February/020542.html |
| 12:38.20 | khaije | enouf: i joined, just used to 'switch to newly opened chan' behaviour, lostirc doesn't do that |
| 12:38.29 | khaije | ook johndoe |
| 12:39.29 | khaije | ya, this worked before reinstall but i don't really know why |
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| 12:39.57 | khaije | no biggie, i just don't want any mono unless completely necessary |
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| 12:41.05 | khaije | ya lostirc shows the new chan topic in the current chan also.... confusing imho |
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| 12:48.57 | NiLon | what I should be looking for when my connection to internet will be lost for several hours because of ISP, box won't reconnect automatically after that |
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| 12:49.43 | enouf | johndoe: yeah, here /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts is populated with various dirs/ and fonts .. many times those can be bogus messages from strace - IOW, so long as it eventually finds what it needs .. |
| 12:49.57 | enouf | johndoe: notice 275-280 and missing LOCALE support or whatever |
| 12:50.11 | enouf | no idea what any TLS has to dowith anything there, and nss and such ... |
| 12:50.35 | johndoe | me neither |
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| 12:50.53 | enouf | johndoe: when you were on etch, did you backup your /home and are now using the same /home partition? |
| 12:51.02 | johndoe | yea |
| 12:51.09 | johndoe | leftover configs :/ |
| 12:51.15 | enouf | johndoe: er, you were on 32bit then, yes? |
| 12:51.18 | johndoe | yes |
| 12:51.22 | enouf | ... |
| 12:51.33 | johndoe | but then again, it doesnt work as root neither |
| 12:51.42 | johndoe | and i didnt save root's home |
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| 12:52.20 | johndoe | when running it as root i get this error "Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed" |
| 12:52.23 | enouf | NiLon: complain to your ISP - power cycle your router? |
| 12:52.39 | NiLon | enouf windows works fine |
| 12:52.57 | enouf | NiLon: what type of conn? pppoe? |
| 12:53.31 | NiLon | adsl and box will get ip from dhcp |
| 12:53.39 | enouf | johndoe: sounds like a networking/auth issue, whether it's the DM or whatever |
| 12:53.53 | NiLon | dhcp is working fine and ip should remain same as it was before connection loss |
| 12:55.19 | enouf | NiLon: have you tried "/etc/init.d/networking restart" when it happens? look at dmesg | tail output |
| 12:55.19 | NiLon | and I don't think it's about ttl there because it will hang several days |
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| 12:55.20 | NiLon | I can't do that because I don't have connection to box :D |
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| 12:55.24 | NiLon | only way to wake up that is reboot when that happens |
| 12:55.46 | enouf | NiLon: i really don't know - if nobody can help - try ##networking and ##linux and #debian over on irc.debian.org/irc.oftc.net |
| 12:56.08 | enouf | what? |
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| 12:57.05 | abrotman | NiLon: is it plugged directly to your computer ? |
| 12:57.07 | NiLon | I was thinking to write crontab script that pings random hosts and if can't make connection in hour it will reboot interface but I was thinking if theres any better way to archive same |
| 12:57.16 | enouf | (oh, clarifying - only #debian on irc,debian,org - the 1st 2 channels i mentioned are here on freenode.net) |
| 12:57.39 | NiLon | abrotman um I'm speaking about debian box, not adsl box |
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| 12:57.49 | abrotman | NiLon: and that's what i'm asking |
| 12:57.52 | enouf | um what? |
| 12:58.03 | abrotman | NiLon: is your debian box plugged to a router or a modem? |
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| 12:58.54 | NiLon | abrotman it's modem and there's switch between |
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| 12:59.31 | NiLon | but afaik connection to switch is coming fine |
| 12:59.40 | NiLon | and any other computer won't have such problems so |
| 13:00.14 | sleeping`dragon | how can I change screen ressolution running plain X |
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| 13:00.47 | abrotman | NiLon: router or switch? |
| 13:00.51 | n0nsense | hi |
| 13:01.02 | abrotman | sleeping`dragon: xrandr |
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| 13:01.24 | n0nsense | how can I start keychain directly when I start my X-session etc? |
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| 13:01.40 | NiLon | abrotman switch |
| 13:01.57 | abrotman | so your debian computer is responsible for dialing your DSL pppoe connection ? |
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| 13:02.23 | NiLon | it won't use pppoe |
| 13:02.23 | enouf | n0nsense: do you mean perhaps gnome-keyring ? |
| 13:02.44 | abrotman | NiLon: it just uses straight dhcp ? |
| 13:02.49 | NiLon | yes |
| 13:02.57 | n0nsense | enouf: no, keychain |
| 13:03.11 | abrotman | NiLon: does the route info change when the connection goes down ? |
| 13:03.25 | NiLon | no |
| 13:03.38 | NiLon | or what info you mean basically, not sure |
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| 13:03.48 | abrotman | so your IP, route, networks never change? |
| 13:03.50 | n0nsense | enouf: I'm not using gnome... |
| 13:03.59 | NiLon | ip's will be given based to macs |
| 13:04.00 | sarmisak | NiLon: how many ethernets do you have? |
| 13:04.09 | enouf | n0nsense: no idea - sorry |
| 13:04.16 | NiLon | sarmisak just one |
| 13:04.29 | sarmisak | NiLon: ok, what's the switch for then? |
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| 13:05.26 | NiLon | sarmisak um not sure what you trying to ask, are you asking how many network interfaces I have in debian or what? |
| 13:05.29 | n0nsense | enouf: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/keychain/ |
| 13:05.45 | n0nsense | there is a debian package |
| 13:05.46 | sleeping`dragon | I have iceweasel running on lenny. have also installed mozilla-plugin-gnash after installing gnash but I still can play videos on youtube.. |
| 13:06.02 | abrotman | NiLon: he's asking if the Debian box is responsible for using the modem directly, why do you have a switch in between the debian and modem ? |
| 13:06.09 | sarmisak | NiLon: I'm asking this; why is there a switch between your pc and modem? |
| 13:06.10 | NiLon | sarmisak there's 8 computers in lan but in that debian box have just one interface |
| 13:06.17 | abrotman | so it's a router ... |
| 13:06.22 | johndoe | enouf: lol i managed to start kate |
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| 13:06.28 | sarmisak | NiLon: ok, you want the debian box to act as a router, am I right* |
| 13:06.34 | NiLon | abrotman there's basically both |
| 13:06.35 | abrotman | NiLon: what is the model number on the 'switch' ? |
| 13:06.41 | NiLon | router -> modem -> switch -> box |
| 13:06.44 | abrotman | there's not basically anythign .. it is or it isn't |
| 13:07.03 | n0nsense | enouf: ah, okay, a friend has it in his ~/.zprofile... |
| 13:07.14 | sarmisak | shouldn't it be modem -> router -> switch -> box |
| 13:07.29 | abrotman | that'd be the smart way |
| 13:07.46 | NiLon | abrotman tekComm-808AX |
| 13:08.34 | sarmisak | what's the router model? |
| 13:08.42 | NiLon | sarmisak I can't do nothing about it |
| 13:08.44 | NiLon | sarmisak no idea |
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| 13:08.58 | NiLon | not in my hands that one |
| 13:09.39 | enouf | NiLon: you originally started with "<NiLon> what I should be looking for when my connection to internet will be lost for several hours because of ISP" <-- now, why are you blaming the ISP? are they catching you doing something you shouldn't be? abusing the TOS agreement perhaps? |
| 13:09.47 | NiLon | are you really thinking that it could be hardware problem over somekind setup thingy? |
| 13:09.57 | abrotman | thinks the networking setup doesn't make sense |
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| 13:10.39 | sarmisak | ok, first of all if you want the debian box to dial the pppoe you SHOULD put in another ethernet on the debian box and connect the modem DIRECTLY to that ethernet |
| 13:10.55 | NiLon | enouf I'm blaming ISP because it was their fault, they were doing somekind maintenance and because of that connection was off several hours |
| 13:11.11 | johndoe | NiLon: ask for refund for the downtime |
| 13:11.15 | sarmisak | your debian box probably will not be able to see the ADSL concentrator data over the switch |
| 13:11.17 | NiLon | and when connection was back online, I was unable to reach my debian box |
| 13:11.18 | enouf | i thought he mentioned or eluded that all other boxes on LAN have inet access |
| 13:11.36 | NiLon | johndoe I don't have reason to do that and it's not the case here now |
| 13:11.52 | enouf | johndoe: what was the issue with kate not launching? |
| 13:11.54 | abrotman | johndoe: not all ToS have that option |
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| 13:12.10 | NiLon | sarmisak but how can windows in same condition work fine after that connection loss? |
| 13:12.20 | NiLon | without restarting anything and so on |
| 13:12.23 | RichiH | what is the name of a single number in an ip address? i.e. with 1.2.3.4, what is the the name of '4'? |
| 13:12.26 | NiLon | it's same network setup for it |
| 13:12.39 | enouf | octet? |
| 13:13.00 | RichiH | enouf: is that a guess or an answer? |
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| 13:13.06 | enouf | both :-P |
| 13:13.16 | sarmisak | NiLon: it's really, strange. have you tried /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 13:13.19 | RichiH | i usually call it the last byte, but that name is kinda bulky |
| 13:13.34 | NiLon | hmm there's DEMAND setup in pppoe.conf, something same for dhcp? |
| 13:13.48 | NiLon | because I think debian box won't try to make any connection outside itself |
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| 13:14.24 | sarmisak | NiLon: no, no. let's get this straight, if you are obtaining IP's by DHCP -as for other windows boxes- you have got nothing to do with PPPoE |
| 13:14.29 | NiLon | sarmisak yes that will work but I can't do it right now |
| 13:14.55 | NiLon | sarmisak ip from dhcp and nothing to do with pppoe |
| 13:15.07 | johndoe | enouf: something to do with this "kbuildsycoca running..." |
| 13:15.10 | NiLon | if there's pppoe, then I don't know about it |
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| 13:15.21 | NiLon | I don't need to give passwords and stuff to make connection tho |
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| 13:15.32 | enouf | johndoe: ahh KSysCokeHead .... did you kill that crackwhore? |
| 13:15.37 | sarmisak | NiLon: there's no pppoe believe me ;) |
| 13:15.50 | johndoe | lol |
| 13:15.56 | johndoe | enouf: nope :P |
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| 13:16.25 | sarmisak | NiLon: it's just simple dhcp, somehow your debian box is stuck about its network settings, you might want to check physically about what's going on in this situation |
| 13:17.00 | johndoe | enouf: it worked after i did "xhost +" as normal user |
| 13:17.13 | NiLon | sarmisak it's hard to make case where that happens, because unpluggin cable won't just do same trick |
| 13:17.13 | johndoe | but only as root |
| 13:17.32 | NiLon | basically I need to wait next isp maintenance to do that :D |
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| 13:17.41 | NiLon | and it can be in next year or so |
| 13:17.43 | enouf | open("/var/tmp/kdecache-ivan/ksycoca", O_RDONLY) = 10 |
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| 13:18.25 | sarmisak | NiLon: great. can you ping or do anything else? |
| 13:18.32 | enouf | johndoe: erm .. that shouldn't be necessary .. and can be quite silly and dangerous - /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 13:18.37 | sleeping`dragon | has anyone been successful in playing video in iceweasel on lenny running on arm? |
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| 13:18.57 | johndoe | sleeping`dragon: as in flash video? |
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| 13:19.19 | sleeping`dragon | johndoyes, like youtuve |
| 13:19.24 | NiLon | sarmisak few years ago I tried to figure out reason and it basically just didn't get connection anywhere and restarting interface did bring it back to alive |
| 13:19.47 | NiLon | now I'm starting to get pissed that I need reboot box everytime that happens |
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| 13:20.05 | Rienzilla | Hello |
| 13:20.07 | K_Sakura | Have you tried Iceape? |
| 13:20.19 | Rienzilla | Is it possible to add extra network configuration in the debian net installer? I need a pointopoint entry |
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| 13:20.38 | johndoe | sleeping`dragon: i dont think theres a plugin from Adobe/Macromedia |
| 13:20.39 | sarmisak | NiLon: maybe its the same situation right now. for remote setups I usually dont depend on dhcp and always use static IPs. |
| 13:20.59 | johndoe | sleeping`dragon: try with gnash or swfdec |
| 13:20.59 | sleeping`dragon | johndoe: what about gnash? gnash for arm is in lenny repositories.. |
| 13:21.20 | NiLon | sarmisak ye could make another interface for local only |
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| 13:22.05 | johndoe | enouf: i tried to run it again as root and its not working :/ i bet its got something to do with kbuildsycoca |
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| 13:22.59 | Macjust | Hello, When i try to install my grub with apt get i don't found /boot/grub/ , How can i obtain the directory ? |
| 13:23.23 | stew | Macjust: see /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
| 13:23.37 | johndoe | Macjust: you have to do grub-install |
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| 13:24.00 | Macjust | stew the file not exist |
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| 13:24.10 | stew | Macjust: see /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
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| 13:24.29 | Macjust | ok thanks johndoe |
| 13:24.36 | johndoe | !tell Macjust about grub |
| 13:24.45 | johndoe | Macjust: dont use grub-install before you read the docs |
| 13:25.16 | johndoe | you could screw your partitions |
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| 13:25.36 | Xunie | meh, Whats the package for the tool 'file'?... |
| 13:25.48 | Xunie | I used debootstrap ... |
| 13:26.43 | Macjust | johndoe I have install five times debian so 1 more or not...:) |
| 13:26.47 | Macjust | (today) |
| 13:26.54 | johndoe | haha |
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| 13:27.09 | johndoe | i think i did that too the first time ;) it takes time to get it right |
| 13:27.12 | stew | Macjust: why aren' you letting the installerinstallgrub for you? |
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| 13:27.26 | stew | 'installer install grub for you' |
| 13:27.44 | XB23 | anyone know of any packages that can help me acheive this problem, i have a local directory on my deb etch box that i want to connect to ftp and mirror everything from the ftp to its own local directory on a local cron job |
| 13:27.51 | XB23 | maybe every 2 hours |
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| 13:28.05 | catap | MaQuiche: rsync system it's for coward? |
| 13:28.05 | Xunie | XB23, Rsync and sftp... |
| 13:28.10 | Arrowmaster | scp |
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| 13:28.14 | Macjust | stew how to do ? |
| 13:28.20 | Macjust | oh oj |
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| 13:28.22 | Macjust | ok* |
| 13:28.26 | Macjust | i understand |
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| 13:28.36 | Macjust | this is not a debian -debian- |
| 13:28.38 | XB23 | Xunie i cant use that as its only a ftpd im connecting to as the ftp server is on windows |
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| 13:28.46 | XB23 | so it wont support sftp |
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| 13:28.55 | stew | Macjust: i mean, there is no reason to go back and reinstall now, but the installer should have offered to install grub for you |
| 13:29.01 | Macjust | This is a debian of OVH > www.ovh.fr in a datacenter |
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| 13:29.04 | abrotman | Macjust: if it's not debian, what is it ? |
| 13:29.25 | Macjust | without depmod |
| 13:29.34 | Macjust | so i must make the kernel |
| 13:29.43 | Macjust | actually this is lilo at the start |
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| 13:29.58 | XB23 | any other solutions? |
| 13:29.59 | Macjust | and ovh say to me i must install grub to change |
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| 13:30.07 | Xunie | XB23, Microfail winfail.... Anyways... what about something like sshfs for ftp... you mount... you download... and then unmount... |
| 13:30.23 | Xunie | Failsoft winfail * |
| 13:30.24 | XB23 | that works |
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| 13:30.43 | Arrowmaster | theres rsync for windows |
| 13:31.03 | Xunie | Arrowmaster, But he doesn't have access to that failsoft winfail system.. |
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| 13:34.54 | johndoe | Xunie: apt-file search /usr/bin/file |
| 13:35.03 | johndoe | Xunie: file: /usr/bin/file |
| 13:35.11 | Xunie | johndoe, meh... I have it... |
| 13:35.26 | Xunie | package name 'file'... *awkward silence* |
| 13:35.44 | Xunie | Anywhoo, I still can't insert those modules for my wireless driver... |
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| 13:37.12 | johndoe | <Xunie> meh, Whats the package for the tool 'file'?... |
| 13:37.17 | johndoe | so you found it |
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| 13:37.52 | Mark21 | hello, what is the best/easiest option to remove duplicate lines in a file? |
| 13:38.21 | abrotman | uniq |
| 13:38.42 | stew | Mark21: sort -u |
| 13:39.05 | Xunie | johndoe, Yup... |
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| 13:39.31 | stew | Mark21: depends on what exactly a duplicate line is, i guess |
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| 13:41.31 | Xunie | I can't insert my driver modules... http://pastebin.ca/raw/1371640 ... Can anyone help me?.. |
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| 13:41.58 | BleSS | hi! is there any widget library lighter than QT or GTK? |
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| 13:42.03 | Xunie | uname 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:42.10 | stew | !insmod |
| 13:42.10 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 13:42.18 | Xunie | LOL |
| 13:42.42 | Xunie | !modprobe |
| 13:42.42 | dpkg | Add module to kernel: "modprobe foo"; Remove module from kernel: "modprobe -r foo". See also: <modules>, <modconf>, "man modprobe", "man modprobe.conf", /etc/modprobe.d/* , <blacklist> |
| 13:42.46 | Mark21 | stew: if 2 lines have the same content i call it a duplicate line (other lines may be between 2 duplicate lines) |
| 13:42.47 | Xunie | meh.. I'll try.. |
| 13:43.07 | stew | Mark21: then you want sort -u |
| 13:43.55 | abrotman | BleSS: sure |
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| 13:45.20 | sepult | i did a fsck on my mounted root fs now i cant't boot anymore, some inodes were invalidated i think, cause the /etc direcotry is gone |
| 13:45.30 | sepult | gah |
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| 13:45.50 | Xunie | sepult, Never EVER fsck a mounted fs... |
| 13:46.03 | sepult | Xunie: yeah i'm sorry for that |
| 13:46.30 | sepult | i'm trying it with another superblock now |
| 13:46.37 | sepult | oh weee |
| 13:46.53 | sepult | i hope i can manage to get it back |
| 13:47.06 | Xunie | Thats what she said... |
| 13:47.35 | sepult | she ? |
| 13:47.38 | sepult | who she ? |
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| 13:47.46 | LinuxMichi | Hello *. I yesterday have tried to register with NickServ and I get not verification E-Mail |
| 13:47.59 | LinuxMichi | Whenever I do something I get: "Please check your email for instructions to complete your registration." |
| 13:48.05 | Xunie | LinuxMichi, You should be able to send another email |
| 13:48.06 | LinuxMichi | Can someone help me? |
| 13:48.08 | abrotman | LinuxMichi: check #freenode for help |
| 13:48.10 | LinuxMichi | Thanks |
| 13:48.12 | Xunie | sepult, You don't get the joke do you? |
| 13:48.15 | LinuxMichi | How? |
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| 13:48.24 | LinuxMichi | I have checked the whole commands |
| 13:48.25 | sepult | Xunie: not really, sorry |
| 13:48.27 | abrotman | LinuxMichi: /join #freenode .. ask there |
| 13:48.28 | Xunie | LinuxMichi, /msg NickServ HELP |
| 13:48.42 | LinuxMichi | done already |
| 13:48.44 | Xunie | sepult, I shouldn't have helped him, Sorry :( |
| 13:48.52 | LinuxMichi | I need a re-submited mail |
| 13:49.23 | abrotman | LinuxMichi: /join #freenode .. ask there |
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| 13:49.50 | Rothgar` | How can I enable RTC in the lenny kernel? |
| 13:50.13 | Rothgar` | I tried to grep for rtc in the config file but couldn't see anything |
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| 13:50.30 | Xunie | Rothgar`, "grep -i rtc"?... |
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| 13:50.57 | sepult | i actually did recover some files with photorec, but it's useless for me, cause i have to get the directory structure as well, not only the files |
| 13:51.30 | sepult | it would be tedious to search for all files i had in /etc, and first i would have to know them each |
| 13:51.36 | Macjust | I have a file to set in my grub have you an example of menu.lst ? |
| 13:51.51 | stew | Mark21: /usr/share/doc/grub/eamples |
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| 13:52.13 | abrotman | Rothgar`: i believe recompile |
| 13:52.16 | Macjust | no me i am macjust :p |
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| 13:53.03 | person | Hello |
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| 13:53.58 | Xunie | Hello certain person... |
| 13:54.22 | person | Are Lenny backports backports of lenny packages to etch or of squeeze packages to lenny? |
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| 13:55.12 | et | person: the latter |
| 13:55.13 | stew | person: squeeze to lenny. etch-backports is lenny to etch |
| 13:55.13 | Xunie | Macjust, Its simple "kernel /kernel" and "initrd /initrd" and "quiet" and "title blablabla" and thats about it.. |
| 13:55.26 | et | stew: actually, squeeze to etch now |
| 13:55.34 | _Clecio_[OFF] | • Está away • Dormindo...²²² • Desde: 11:02:22 • Cebolinha v9.0 • |
| 13:55.36 | stew | et: i don't think so |
| 13:55.42 | person | Thanks |
| 13:55.43 | stew | _Clecio_[OFF]: please turn that off in here |
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| 13:55.55 | et | stew: then read the backports-users mailing list ;) |
| 13:56.17 | Xunie | -_Clecio_[OFF]- VERSION mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey ... THAT GUY NEEDS TO BE KILLED... |
| 13:56.27 | abrotman | thanks for repeating that |
| 13:56.27 | stew | Xunie: please done |
| 13:56.32 | stew | dont* |
| 13:56.37 | et | there was some discussion of "new packages for oldstable+bpo" vs "upgrade path from oldstable+bpo to stable" |
| 13:56.48 | et | (because the current policy is the former) |
| 13:56.50 | stew | i would think that upgrade path would win |
| 13:57.18 | et | well, that's in discussion for lenny-backports |
| 13:57.30 | et | but for etch, it's "new packages" |
| 13:57.40 | stew | ugh |
| 13:58.01 | et | (and upgrade path from oldstable+bpo to stable+bpo) |
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| 13:58.30 | stew | et: which lis? |
| 13:58.39 | stew | ugh, my keybaord is starting to suck |
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| 13:59.04 | et | stew: backports-users@lists.backports.org |
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| 13:59.13 | et | Subject: Why are backports of Squeeze packages in etch-backports? |
| 13:59.15 | Xunie | stew, I need a new one also, I smashed mine over 9000 times... I glued it, The spacebar is getting grumpy and its dirty as hell... |
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| 14:00.51 | sepult | next time i'll buy a keyboard, i'll by a preservative for it too |
| 14:00.56 | sepult | lol |
| 14:01.20 | sepult | what's it called actually ? |
| 14:01.38 | sepult | it's a pvc sheet i think |
| 14:01.46 | K_Sakura | I usually just buy three or four identical keyboards. |
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| 14:01.51 | stew | et: ok, which seems to be a scurity upgrade, not new packages in general |
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| 14:02.29 | et | stew: http://lists.backports.org/lurker-bpo/message/20090220.215045.8a623425.en.html |
| 14:02.32 | omid8bimo | hey guys. i have a HP TX1000 laptop with S-video output port and nvidia driver. how can i kinda transfer my screen to display that i connect to svideo port? |
| 14:02.51 | et | stew: But remember that contributors are now allowed to add packages to etch-bpo |
| 14:02.51 | et | which have a higher version than in lenny (because they are allowed to |
| 14:02.51 | et | add versions from squeeze). So it is possible that there is no clean upgrade |
| 14:02.55 | et | oh |
| 14:02.57 | et | sorry |
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| 14:03.08 | et | that was meant to go onto one line ... |
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| 14:04.06 | stew | ugh |
| 14:04.19 | sepult | why are some indodes multiply claimed ? |
| 14:04.27 | sepult | is that normal for an ext3 fs ? |
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| 14:04.49 | sepult | or is it a sign for the corruptness of it ? |
| 14:05.26 | Mark21 | thanks for the help |
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| 14:05.30 | stew | sepult: hardlinks? what do you mean by claimed? |
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| 14:06.07 | patintin | hello all.. |
| 14:06.28 | patintin | how can i setup apache2 with ssl on debian lenny i386? |
| 14:06.31 | sepult | stew: i don't now if hardlinks or softlinks, ok softlinks would be ok, i'm doing ext3 recovery and it tells me that |
| 14:07.01 | stew | patintin: aptitude install apache2 ; a2enmod ssl |
| 14:07.53 | stew | patintin: then you'd have to configure your certs somewhere in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
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| 14:09.52 | sepult | stew: do you now of any good configurable, automated backup program ? |
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| 14:10.11 | stew | sepult: i use backuppc and dirvish |
| 14:10.11 | patintin | stew: ok, thanks.. |
| 14:10.17 | sepult | next time i'll just make regular backups |
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| 14:10.36 | sepult | stew: ok thanks for the hint |
| 14:11.08 | stew | backuppc is fancier and slower |
| 14:12.42 | sepult | stew: how much time does it take for one complete backup ? |
| 14:13.05 | sepult | stew: does it strictly depend on the size of my partition ? |
| 14:13.27 | stew | sepult: it depends on he size and the speed of the network |
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| 14:13.39 | stew | sepult: so somewhere from a few minuts to a few weeks |
| 14:14.04 | sepult | stew: it's just for a local backup |
| 14:14.18 | sepult | stew: so it will be fast i assume |
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| 14:15.29 | stew | i wouldn't assume that |
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| 14:16.25 | omid8bimo | hey guys. i have a HP TX1000 laptop with S-video output port and nvidia driver. how can i kinda transfer my screen to display that i connect to svideo port? |
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| 14:17.57 | robin_z | grr .. so I modified the nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces ... I changed them in resolve.conf .. and somhow they keep getting put back to the old (wrong) values in resolve.conf .. |
| 14:18.29 | stew | robin_z: how did you put them into /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:18.39 | robin_z | with vim |
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| 14:18.55 | stew | robin_z: what does one look like |
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| 14:20.49 | robin_z | dns-nameservers 212.139.132.5 212.139.132.21 |
| 14:21.11 | stew | robin_z: is resolvconf installed? |
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| 14:22.34 | robin_z | nope |
| 14:22.51 | robin_z | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.51 | dpkg | robin_z: wish i knew |
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| 14:23.01 | stew | robin_z: you should install it then. it is the thing that looks for dns-nameservers |
| 14:23.23 | robin_z | well, where is it getting the old settign from? |
| 14:23.28 | robin_z | 192.168.1.138 |
| 14:23.45 | robin_z | how does that keep getting written back into resolv.conf |
| 14:24.06 | stew | robin_z: i'd guess dhcp |
| 14:24.21 | stew | robin_z: if you are using dhcp, nameservers are one of the things that is usually configured |
| 14:24.35 | robin_z | not using dhcp |
| 14:24.42 | robin_z | both interfaces are static |
| 14:25.11 | stew | robin_z: is network manager running? |
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| 14:25.15 | robin_z | was dhcp, edited /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:25.17 | stew | err network-manager... |
| 14:25.42 | bullgard4 | AlsaMixer shows on most Computers a Volume bar 'PCM'. What volume does this control? What is meant here by 'PCM'? |
| 14:25.45 | robin_z | errr |
| 14:26.00 | robin_z | ps -ef | grep network says not |
| 14:27.28 | stew | bullgard4: 'pulse code modulation' its stuff that your computer generates, as opposed to audio comong from a cd, or a line in jack or microphone or such |
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| 14:27.59 | hark | robin_z: capital N there for network-manager ^ |
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| 14:28.26 | robin_z | i expect theres a dpkg-reconfigure $someting is needed |
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| 14:28.41 | robin_z | hark, ps -ef | grep Network says not also |
| 14:29.01 | ultra | hi could someone please tell me the differance between shell types: /bin/bash, /usr/bin/tcsh, /usr/bin/ksh, /usr/bin/zsh |
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| 14:29.11 | robin_z | sigh ... |
| 14:29.19 | ultra | those are my options for accounts for my webhost that uses debian x86-x64 |
| 14:29.22 | Rothgar` | Xunie: What do you mean grep -i rtc? I used grep /boot/config* | grep rtc |
| 14:29.27 | ultra | and i was only familiar with bash.. |
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| 14:29.43 | Rothgar` | abrotman: I need to know how I can enable rtc before I recompile? |
| 14:29.55 | robin_z | perhaps I just set a crontab to overwrite resolve.conf with the right settings every 5 minutes until whatever is "helping out" goes away |
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| 14:31.13 | bullgard4 | stew: Please tell me an illustrative example of sound stuff that my computer generates itself as opposed to processing an external sound signal. |
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| 14:31.50 | person | Hmm, what do I do if a package is not up-to-date enough in either lenny or sid? |
| 14:31.51 | stew | bullgard4: playing an mp3, your computer decodes the mp3 into pcm, then feeds the pcm into the sound card |
| 14:32.04 | ultra | thank you for helping me with my question, I will check back once the current questions are resolved, but id really apprecaite it if someone could just give me a short answer nothing to in depth, thanks. |
| 14:32.08 | robin_z | chmods it 444 to see if that stops it |
| 14:32.18 | stew | bullgard4: for a wave file that is the right freqency/bitrate, it just reads the pcm right into the sound card |
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| 14:32.41 | stew | err s/wave/wav/ |
| 14:32.59 | sepult | why is ppmtofb depending on python < 2.5 ? |
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| 14:33.32 | sepult | if i were to install it i would have to deinstall half of my system |
| 14:33.35 | plb_ | X is giving me issues..it was just working then I rebooted and when I startx it dies and says 0:/usr/bin/X11/X something about sighandler and 1:/lib/libc.so.6(0x7somelongnumber) xinit says no such process errno 3 |
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| 14:34.21 | bullgard4 | stew: Thank you for explaining. |
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| 14:34.36 | person | Would it be sane for me to grab the newer version from the Ubuntu repo and set a pin-priority of 500 on it? |
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| 14:34.40 | hark | sepult: check bts |
| 14:34.57 | stew | judd: depends ppmtofb |
| 14:34.58 | judd | stew: ppmtofb -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libnetpbm9, libpopt0 (>= 1.10) |
| 14:35.03 | gravity | person: It might be smarter to build it yourself |
| 14:35.23 | gravity | person: You can build the source package from Ubuntu if you want. That might be a better idea. |
| 14:35.28 | stew | person: checked backports? |
| 14:35.31 | person | gravity, hmm, I don't know how to do that yet |
| 14:35.33 | person | stew, yeah |
| 14:35.34 | patintin | gtg |
| 14:35.34 | stew | oh, or sid, nm |
| 14:35.38 | patintin | thanks stew |
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| 14:35.48 | person | it's not up-to-date enough in sid or squeeze |
| 14:35.50 | plb_ | Xorg.log says something about drmOpenDevice: Open failed |
| 14:35.54 | plb_ | anyone have an idea? |
| 14:36.07 | stew | sepult: can you show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:36.10 | person | It's just vym but it keeps on corrupting my lovely study notes... |
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| 14:36.22 | stew | sepult: it doesn't look to me like ppmtofb depends on old python |
| 14:36.30 | gravity | plb_: Your kernel module for your video card isn't correctly loaded or something similar. What video driver are you using? |
| 14:36.41 | plb_ | hm ya I just noticed...strange |
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| 14:36.56 | plb_ | I'm using a custom 2.6.29 with propietary ati driver |
| 14:37.22 | person | What problems could using the ubuntu package with pin-priority 500 cause? |
| 14:37.43 | hark | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/385209 |
| 14:38.08 | gravity | Proprietary drivers are outside my realm |
| 14:38.38 | dondelelcaro | person: it'll upgrade if the ubuntu version is newer, and may cause other kinds of breakage |
| 14:38.51 | sepult | stew: i tryed it when my system wasn't borked, with apt-get and with aptitude too, to see if the results were the same, they were the same, i think that it may be due to corruption of my filesystem layout or incorrect pinning, or something else, it was a mixed system of lenny,experimental,squeeze and sid, whith lenny as default system, kde4 from experimental |
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| 14:39.38 | stew | sepult: see what hark said. it looks like the package is known to be buggy and is going to be removed |
| 14:39.45 | stew | heh, RoQA; RC-buggy, low popcorn |
| 14:39.54 | person | dondelelcaro: Would these kinds of breakage only be in the package itself, or in other parts of the system? |
| 14:39.54 | stew | i think she meant popcon :) |
| 14:39.55 | sepult | stew: oh ok missed it |
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| 14:40.24 | person | Is it possible to make apt ignore dependencies of a particular package? |
| 14:41.31 | stew | person: only temporarily, why do you want to? |
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| 14:42.00 | zxcvbs | hi, im trying (by low space issues) to join the tar -cvvf and split command in one line through pipe. is there any way? |
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| 14:42.39 | person | stew, to use an ubuntu package without it trying to upgrade my system for me :P |
| 14:43.09 | stew | person: why not backport it? |
| 14:43.10 | person | mind you, i guess it wouldn't do that in a really evil way unless i had the ubuntu repo enabled |
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| 14:43.23 | jelly | person: are you positive it would actually work and match the libraries and library symbols from debian? |
| 14:43.28 | person | stew, i'm not exactly an expert and i don't have much time |
| 14:43.40 | person | no jelly :( |
| 14:43.42 | Piet | i'm trying to understand why roundcube is not in lenny |
| 14:43.54 | Piet | would anyone know? |
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| 14:44.02 | jelly | person: you're better off trying to backport it, then |
| 14:44.07 | person | thanks |
| 14:44.16 | Piet | i found this but it does not help me understanding why: http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/roundcube/news/20090210T163918Z.html |
| 14:44.31 | stew | person: "/msg dpkg ssb" but use a ubuntu deb-src instead of a sid deb-src |
| 14:44.40 | bullgard4 | pogay: Ich habe inzwischen herausgefunden, daß dieser Regler (so sagt ein Autor) die Lautstärke von wave-Dateien steuert. Ein zweiter sagt, er steuert "jede Software, die Klang erzeugt". Ein dritter sagt, er regelt die Lautstärke beim Abspielen von MP3-Dateien. |
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| 14:44.58 | bullgard4 | pardon |
| 14:45.11 | stew | Piet: RoM means "request of maintainer" so the reason is "becuase the maintainer asked me to" |
| 14:45.16 | person | cheers stew |
| 14:45.17 | jelly | Piet: probably declared too hard to be supported during the lifecycle of lenny |
| 14:46.15 | Piet | i see, thanks stew and jelly. |
| 14:46.37 | StarkD | the APT plugin for gnome panel, does that use apt-get or aptitude when you use it to update the system? |
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| 14:47.23 | Xunie | Rothgar`, "-i" means case insensitive |
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| 14:48.25 | jkl | #java |
| 14:49.18 | Piet | now, if i wanted to searc further for the reasons the maintainer may have had, where should i start to look for it? |
| 14:49.33 | zxcvbs | done sftw # tar czv /home | split -b 681574400 - /mnt/copia-tar.gz |
| 14:49.37 | Piet | the bts? |
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| 14:52.00 | DarkUranium | hey |
| 14:52.06 | DarkUranium | I can't get Debian to boot |
| 14:52.08 | DarkUranium | worked fine yesterday |
| 14:52.26 | DarkUranium | I keep getting this error every few secs: |
| 14:52.48 | DarkUranium | ata4.00: status: { DRDY ERR } |
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| 14:53.02 | DarkUranium | ata4.00: error: { ICRC ABRT } |
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| 14:53.39 | DarkUranium | STST failed (errno=-16) |
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| 14:53.57 | hark | DarkUranium: looks like drive failure |
| 14:54.07 | DarkUranium | exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 Serr 0x400000 action 0x6 |
| 14:54.07 | jelly | DarkUranium: did you touch the hardware in the meantime? |
| 14:54.15 | DarkUranium | hark, jelly: nope |
| 14:54.22 | DarkUranium | I did run Win in the meantime though |
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| 14:54.36 | jelly | DarkUranium: does a livecd with a different kernel version work better? |
| 14:54.39 | DarkUranium | and I have a prog which allows me to access Linux drives there |
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| 14:55.09 | DarkUranium | well, I don't know the kernel versions of all my livecd's, but I can try one... hang on |
| 14:55.16 | jelly | DarkUranium: that's likely not revelant, the error is SATA controller driver related, not filesystem related |
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| 14:55.38 | jelly | DarkUranium: which version of debian? |
| 14:55.40 | DarkUranium | well, I don't know the kernel versions of all my livecd's, but I can try one... hang on |
| 14:55.46 | DarkUranium | oops, hit up by accident |
| 14:55.52 | DarkUranium | jelly: yes, seems so... |
| 14:55.53 | DarkUranium | 5.0 |
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| 14:57.43 | DarkUranium | well, i tried mandriva 09 CD |
| 14:58.00 | DarkUranium | it didn't boot (it never could. ever.) but no errors on bootup though |
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| 15:00.43 | vimes656 | when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg the configuration wizard exists after the keyboard setup and when I look into the xorg.conf there are many settings missing, what can I do? |
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| 15:01.19 | vimes656 | is there any alternative xorg configuration tool commonly used in Debian? |
| 15:01.33 | stew | vimes656: "X -configure" |
| 15:01.42 | stew | vimes656: but they aren't missing |
| 15:02.02 | stew | vimes656: well maybe they are missing, but it is on purpose. the settings are determined automatically at runtime now |
| 15:02.24 | vimes656 | stew, let me try then |
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| 15:05.24 | deego | I upgraded to lenny recently. Though my debconf option is set to low, it did not pause to ask me much anything.. I remember it used to be thousands of questions for me.. .with etch.. did I do something wrong? |
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| 15:05.38 | enouf | vimes656: man xorg.conf and manually add as needed |
| 15:05.48 | patrikf | deego: it won't ask you things you answered before. |
| 15:05.49 | deego | Also, within lenny, I just applied the kernel patch, it did not tell me: "You need to reboot soon" |
| 15:06.00 | vimes656 | stew: I solved with X-configure |
| 15:06.03 | ultra | wow so no one knows the differences in the shells |
| 15:06.04 | _Clecio_ | • voltou do away • Às 12:12:51 - Ficou Away Por 1hr 10mins 29secs • Cebolinha v9.0 • |
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| 15:06.11 | vimes656 | stew, thanks a lot!!! |
| 15:06.23 | ultra | oh well |
| 15:06.26 | ultra | thanks guys |
| 15:06.26 | patrikf | _Clecio_: please turn off that away script. |
| 15:06.28 | DarkUranium | jelly: ideas? |
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| 15:06.31 | deego | patrikf: It used to have this dialog: Package maintainer has a new file, but you have modified your own files. I was surprised to not see a single such message.. has something changed? |
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| 15:07.04 | Ace2017_- | how do i fix this: checking host system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu': machine `x86_64-unknown' not recognized |
| 15:07.16 | deego | [I am using apt-get rather than aptitude] |
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| 15:07.31 | jelly | DarkUranium: find one that boots, preferably not with a 2.6.26 kernel, see if the same error appears in dmesg |
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| 15:08.02 | robin_z | grrrr ... someting is STILL overwriting resolv.conf even though I set it to chmod 444 ... |
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| 15:08.11 | robin_z | poxy thing |
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| 15:09.06 | deego | robin_z: I think I had to purge resolvconf for that |
| 15:09.18 | DarkUranium | argh... I had a TON of Linux CDs but they all dissapeared now that I need one >_< |
| 15:09.25 | robin_z | i dont have resolvconf installed AFAIK |
| 15:09.35 | deego | .. or had to configure it |
| 15:09.59 | deego | robin_z: oh, do you ask for a dynamic eth0? in that case, "of course" it overwrites resolv.conf |
| 15:10.17 | robin_z | nope, both interfaces now static |
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| 15:10.47 | clecio | [patrikf]: lp |
| 15:11.15 | patrikf | clecio: lp? |
| 15:11.19 | DarkUranium | afk, lunch |
| 15:11.50 | DarkUranium | booting up an old one thgough |
| 15:11.51 | DarkUranium | FC6 |
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| 15:12.29 | robin_z | ahhm killalldhclient3 might help |
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| 15:13.39 | enouf | robin_z: tried /msg dpkg fixresolvconf ? |
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| 15:13.52 | clecio | opl |
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| 15:14.23 | person | Okay, I'm confused now |
| 15:14.55 | vedant | hi, when will linux 2.6.26 be updated to newer versions in testing? it's been ages since new versions have been released. |
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| 15:15.42 | enouf | maybe you'd like to join the debian kernel mailing list and find out |
| 15:15.53 | person | When I try to isntall vym with "aptitude -t sid install vym" , I get vym-1.10-2. And yet here is verion 1.12.2-1! http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/vym |
| 15:16.30 | enouf | person: your sources.list includes an unstable/sid entry? |
| 15:16.31 | jelly | vedant: /msg dpkg why is linux-image-2.6.29-1-686 not in testing |
| 15:16.42 | robin_z | enouf, apt-get remove dhcp3-client worked even better :) |
| 15:16.49 | person | enouf, yesh |
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| 15:17.01 | person | I can't find the -t option in man aptitude though :) |
| 15:17.06 | enouf | person: what does your preferences and pinning look like? also pastebin 'apt-cache policy vym' |
| 15:17.27 | enouf | person: oh .. er .dunno about aptitude |
| 15:17.45 | person | enouf, I havn't done any pinning yet |
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| 15:17.48 | enouf | i would've thought you'd show an error in that case |
| 15:18.08 | jelly | is there a package that comes with CA ssl key used for https://buildd.debian.org? Konqueror (3.5) complains. |
| 15:18.22 | person | http://pastebin.com/d61c22bfb |
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| 15:19.21 | vedant | does anybody here have any idea by when can one expect linux-image >= 2.6.28 to be in testing? |
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| 15:19.43 | enouf | jelly: maybe try debian-devel over on oftc.net? |
| 15:19.51 | bzed | vedant: in 10 days or more |
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| 15:20.45 | enouf | robin_z: heh |
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| 15:21.18 | vedant | bzed: ok, thanks. weird, having to wait so much. anyway, that's how it is. |
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| 15:21.23 | enouf | person: and what happens when you apt-get -t unstable install vym |
| 15:21.42 | person | same thing, old version |
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| 15:22.22 | enouf | person: you either a) need to read man apt_preferences ; and /msg dpkg pinning and/or b) update as well (this one i'm a bit leary of though) |
| 15:22.27 | hark | person: do you have a sid repository in your sources.list? |
| 15:22.37 | enouf | hark: he does, so he says |
| 15:22.42 | person | alright thanks enouf |
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| 15:22.46 | person | yes hark |
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| 15:23.09 | hark | oh, just noticed his pinning... |
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| 15:23.23 | enouf | hark: no pinning, just policy |
| 15:23.30 | person | deb ftp://http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 15:23.30 | person | deb ftp://http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 15:23.49 | enouf | judd versions vym |
| 15:23.50 | judd | enouf: vym -- etch: 1.8.1-1 lenny: 1.10.0-2 sid: 1.12.2-1 squeeze: 1.12.2-1 |
| 15:24.11 | enouf | "" I get vym-1.10-2. And yet here is verion 1.12.2-1!" |
| 15:24.30 | hark | person: pastebin apt-cache policy |
| 15:24.57 | enouf | person: no pkgname with that "apt-cache policy" |
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| 15:26.34 | jetscreamer | did you try apt-get instead of aptitude with the -t just to check? |
| 15:26.45 | enouf | person: if you're running Lenny, and you just added BOTH squeeze and sid, i suggest you remove the squeeze line, and alter the sid one to "deb-src ... " so you can then do proper backports as needed - or .. keep on this pinning/policy/target route |
| 15:27.08 | enouf | jetscreamer: yes, he did - same |
| 15:27.14 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 15:27.23 | enouf | no worries - i asked prior |
| 15:27.29 | person | enouf, I think I'll do pinning |
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| 15:27.44 | jetscreamer | just go sid! :) |
| 15:27.47 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 15:28.25 | person | But gah, I've even set the pin-priority to 500 for version 1.10.0-2 in apt_preferences now and it still doesn't work :-( |
| 15:28.28 | jetscreamer | no backport for it i guess |
| 15:28.35 | midkniht | anyone know why gvfs would make my drive spin faster at times? |
| 15:28.44 | midkniht | how can i monitor rpms of the drive? |
| 15:28.46 | hark | person: you've already pinned if you use APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 15:28.52 | midkniht | wtf is going on this is irritating |
| 15:29.02 | person | hark, oh |
| 15:29.15 | hark | person: use backports or /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 15:29.38 | hark | person: that's where the 990 comes from |
| 15:29.54 | jetscreamer | i was wondering about simple sid backports... neat new acronym |
| 15:30.12 | person | hark, i thought that if you set the pin as 500, it would upgrade with distributions other than that given in Default Release |
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| 15:30.27 | person | 500 - Any version higher than 0.4.99 of sylpheed which is available from any release will take preference over version 0.4.99, but 0.4.99 will still be preferred to a lower version. |
| 15:30.36 | person | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version |
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| 15:31.14 | hark | person: yes, where is that pastebin? |
| 15:31.24 | person | http://pastebin.com/d61c22bfb |
| 15:32.22 | person | Do I use apt-get -t testing or apt-get -t squeeze? |
| 15:32.39 | jetscreamer | either is supposed to function |
| 15:32.41 | jetscreamer | afaik |
| 15:32.54 | jetscreamer | or maybe it must match your sources |
| 15:33.05 | hark | person: only shows lenny there, show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 15:33.55 | person | http://pastebin.com/d10c82211 |
| 15:34.08 | SPF | I want to find a file in a directory containing 2 specific strings. How can I do that. Current command I use: find /data/project -name tools.cfg -exec grep -H "string1" \{} \; |
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| 15:34.51 | vasiliska | hi, i can't find how to make ssh client strict. i want it to exit connection if public key does not match. (i mean connecting with .ssh/authorized_keys) |
| 15:35.07 | vasiliska | if it does not match - ssh asks for password |
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| 15:35.53 | hark | person: you don't have any sid repositories in your sources.list or you haven't run an update yet |
| 15:36.11 | person | I have done both |
| 15:36.19 | person | They don't have to be deb-src ones, do they? |
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| 15:36.38 | DarkUranium | jelly: back |
| 15:36.48 | DarkUranium | it seems that the FC6 kernel might be TOO old :P |
| 15:36.51 | enouf | person: just to clarify " I've even set the pin-priority to 500 for version 1.10.0-2 in apt_preferences" should say /etc/apt/apt.conf or /apt.conf.d/* |
| 15:36.56 | DarkUranium | not suprising tho |
| 15:37.09 | jelly | DarkUranium: it's quite possible that lenny's kernel is a bit too old, too |
| 15:37.10 | enouf | person: the man page name is just weird :-P |
| 15:37.12 | hark | person: deb-src only if you are building from source |
| 15:37.38 | jelly | DarkUranium: esp. if it's a newish machine (less than two years, say) |
| 15:38.06 | enouf | DarkUranium: has there been a power outage, or bad shutdown? possible your BIOS got thrown back into setup defaults? not using AHCI ,ode or similar? |
| 15:38.18 | enouf | s/,ode/mode/ |
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| 15:38.22 | person | hark, well in that case, it would seem the APT HOWTO is wrong... 'Using this resource is simple. You just need to edit the file /etc/apt/preferences.' |
| 15:38.51 | jetscreamer | excerpt: If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 15:39.03 | enouf | person: sorry - my mistake - the man page is correct |
| 15:39.09 | DarkUranium | jelly: it used to run fine before shutdown & power on, and it is roughly two years |
| 15:39.16 | DarkUranium | s/years/& old/ |
| 15:39.23 | person | k |
| 15:40.00 | hark | person: are you trying to backport or just install the package from sid? |
| 15:40.06 | DarkUranium | enouf: I've disabled AHCI, IIRC |
| 15:40.07 | jelly | DarkUranium: hum. Did you have a kernel upgrade in the meantime and not rebooted into it since the upgrade? |
| 15:40.17 | person | hark, I'm just trying to install a package from sid |
| 15:40.19 | jetscreamer | as seen in /msg dpkg apt-pinning |
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| 15:40.34 | enouf | DarkUranium: i only ask becasue you mentioned Debian was running fine on it yesterday? |
| 15:41.00 | DarkUranium | enouf: I doubt it, as Windows ran fine earlier today |
| 15:41.01 | hark | person: then change deb-src to deb and run an aptitude update |
| 15:41.09 | DarkUranium | enouf: I wanted to relog into Debian |
| 15:41.14 | enouf | DarkUranium: when did debian run fine last? |
| 15:41.30 | DarkUranium | today morning (left it running overnight for download) |
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| 15:41.42 | DarkUranium | turned it off (gracefully) today |
| 15:41.52 | DarkUranium | BTW, Fedora 7 live DVD starts fine |
| 15:42.01 | person | hark, which deb-src? I don't have a sequeeze deb-src inmy sources.list |
| 15:42.03 | DarkUranium | lemme try mounting the HD |
| 15:42.11 | person | deb ftp://http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 15:42.23 | enouf | person: remove that, IF you're running lenny |
| 15:42.48 | enouf | person: are you running Lenny or Squeeze? |
| 15:42.52 | person | Lenny |
| 15:42.58 | hark | person: paste your sources.list |
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| 15:42.59 | enouf | ok, so comment that line out |
| 15:43.01 | jetscreamer | that's a weird source |
| 15:43.07 | person | I added it because the APT-HOWTO said to, but ok |
| 15:43.17 | person | Holy crap |
| 15:43.23 | person | You're right jetscreamer |
| 15:43.51 | DarkUranium | enouf: interesting. |
| 15:43.55 | person | Sorry everyone |
| 15:44.15 | enouf | person: for ssb (simple sid backports) you want to bypass Squeeze altogther, and grab deb-src from sid - or .. oh crap, you decided to go with pinning? Sorry - ignore me then - too many chefs |
| 15:44.16 | DarkUranium | enouf: trying to mount a partition in sdb (the Linux drive) made the PC reboot |
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| 15:44.36 | person | alright well thanks enouf |
| 15:44.47 | enouf | DarkUranium: nice one, sounds like Windows and your BIOS are in cahoots together to sabotage you :-P |
| 15:44.48 | person | looks like i had a screwed up sources.list, do I'm sorry for that >< |
| 15:44.50 | DarkUranium | jelly, enouf |
| 15:44.58 | DarkUranium | enouf: Bastards |
| 15:45.00 | hark | person: be careful when installing packages from sid |
| 15:45.09 | DarkUranium | enouf: >_< |
| 15:45.10 | person | I've solved it, it was just a bad URL :( |
| 15:45.12 | person | Soz |
| 15:45.20 | jetscreamer | well paste your finished sources.list after you edit it and have them check it out for you just to be sure |
| 15:45.22 | jetscreamer | oh |
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| 15:45.40 | jetscreamer | nm then |
| 15:45.41 | DarkUranium | enouf: perhaps the cable came disconnected, I'll have a look |
| 15:45.48 | lunaphyte_ | how can i see the creation time of a file, rather than the last modified time? |
| 15:46.12 | enouf | DarkUranium: you mean it's possible Microsoft Bob came over for a visit? :-P |
| 15:46.23 | hark | DarkUranium: yes, can be due to the cable as well |
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| 15:46.34 | enouf | lunaphyte_: no creation times in *nix |
| 15:46.46 | lunaphyte_ | really? |
| 15:46.49 | DarkUranium | enouf: Could it be a FS problem? |
| 15:46.52 | hark | DarkUranium: http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Libata_error_messages |
| 15:46.53 | enouf | lunaphyte_: there's atime, mtime, ctime |
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| 15:47.19 | enouf | DarkUranium: perhaps - though, well the error, as jelly noted looks hardware related |
| 15:47.28 | lunaphyte_ | enouf: thanks for the clues. |
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| 15:47.35 | enouf | lunaphyte_: 'stat filename' |
| 15:47.37 | hark | DarkUranium: if you can get a livecd running, run a long smartctl test |
| 15:47.57 | DarkUranium | hark: I can, yes |
| 15:48.07 | DarkUranium | enouf: Well, I have this app to access Linux drives from win |
| 15:48.16 | DarkUranium | enouf: But I didn't remove the app before formatting the Linux drive... |
| 15:48.19 | enouf | lunaphyte_: more about that http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/ctime_atime_mtime.html |
| 15:48.26 | lunaphyte_ | yeah, reading now. |
| 15:48.33 | DarkUranium | enouf: might be that windows... oh wait |
| 15:48.40 | DarkUranium | enouf: okay, it just ran :P |
| 15:48.52 | enouf | DarkUranium: which "app"? ext2fsdriver thingy? |
| 15:48.54 | DarkUranium | enouf: seems it was the cables after all |
| 15:48.56 | DarkUranium | enouf: and yes |
| 15:49.02 | enouf | ... |
| 15:49.05 | DarkUranium | okay, now to the 2nd problem :P |
| 15:49.16 | DarkUranium | (yeah, I can't believe it myself that I forgot to check that) |
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| 15:49.29 | lunaphyte_ | i don't think i quite understand the difference between ctime and mtime. |
| 15:49.33 | enouf | DarkUranium: well, they don't usually just become unplugged :-P |
| 15:49.56 | DarkUranium | enouf: I didn't throw it off the balcony or anything if that's what you're implying ;) |
| 15:50.02 | enouf | DarkUranium: oh .. YOU unplugged it when installing windows? sheeesh! |
| 15:50.14 | DarkUranium | no |
| 15:50.17 | enouf | oh |
| 15:50.27 | DarkUranium | windows has been there for a while now :P |
| 15:50.45 | DarkUranium | i unplugged the win disk when installing deb |
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| 15:51.16 | DarkUranium | (installer wouldn't work otherwise... can't say I blame it for that... protest :P) |
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| 15:51.44 | enouf | smacks head |
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| 15:53.31 | DarkUranium | enouf: oh yeah, the canle seems to have been only partially unplugged |
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| 15:54.36 | DarkUranium | brb, booting xChat on Deb |
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| 15:55.27 | aRahim | i have a Lexmark X1185 MFD and its scanner doesnt work with xsane |
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| 15:56.11 | DarkUranium | thanks for your help, jelly and enouf |
| 15:56.28 | aRahim | xsane v 0.996-1 |
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| 15:56.39 | aRahim | it fails to recognise my printer |
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| 15:58.04 | SQlvpapir | I have a networked combined scanner/printer. printing works like a charm using cups, but it seems xsane does not support networked printers. Any hints? |
| 15:58.11 | enouf | lunaphyte_: the ctime changes also whenever the mtime does, but not vice-versa (look at the conditions in the URL i posted) |
| 15:58.17 | DarkUranium | hm, may I ask when is Python 2.6 going to be added? |
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| 15:58.44 | aRahim | the prnter works with cups but the scanner gives me a "No Scanner found" error |
| 15:58.56 | lunaphyte_ | enouf: got it, thanks. |
| 15:59.00 | brianfi | I've to a question regarding package "conflits" on a debian-based distro (vyatta community router)... I'd like to install postifx on the vyatta system (vyatta fully supports debian package sources) but when I try to install postfix (apt-get) it wants to un-install ssmtp. vyatta depends on the "at" command, which in turn depends on the ssmtp as it's MTA... As a result, the system wants to un-install all of the associated vyatta packages... any suggestions? |
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| 15:59.27 | enouf | lunaphyte_: yeah, a chown, chmod would update the ctime, but not the mtime |
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| 16:00.09 | lunaphyte_ | yeah. i say some better terms than change and modified could have been employed :) |
| 16:00.12 | lunaphyte_ | *i'd say |
| 16:00.21 | petemc | brianfi: apt-get install postfix -ssmtp |
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| 16:00.45 | enouf | lunaphyte_: well, chmod and chown both involve "change" :-P |
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| 16:01.24 | lunaphyte_ | heh. yeah, once you get it, it's fine. |
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| 16:02.26 | enouf | brianfi: debian doesn't like to have 2 default MTAs installed side-by-side :-P |
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| 16:03.28 | enouf | er rather - 'MTA capable' i guess (even if one also requires a smarthost or something to operate properly) ... |
| 16:03.36 | brianfi | enouf, I figured that... the problem is the at dependency. I tried the apt-get install postifx -ssmtp and it *looked* like it removed all the vyatta packages. I'm rebooting the vm to see what it actually did :) |
| 16:03.59 | enouf | brianfi: i wonder where exim4 is O_o |
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| 16:05.15 | bolt | how can I list currently held packages? |
| 16:05.22 | enouf | !hold |
| 16:05.22 | dpkg | hold is, like, a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 16:05.49 | hark | bolt: aptitude search '~ahold' |
| 16:05.50 | enouf | dpkg -l | grep ^.h ? er... |
| 16:05.50 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep ^.h ? er... |
| 16:05.56 | enouf | heh.. |
| 16:06.12 | brianfi | enouf, looks like the install postfix - ssmtp might have worked... I've messed with the test system enough that I can't be sure. I'll re-install the VM from scratch and try it again. |
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| 16:06.47 | enouf | brianfi: petemc knows Mail system stuffs, so listen to him .. i'm not a mail guy |
| 16:07.11 | brianfi | Running the thing in a VM is always an option, but it seems like a waste of 300MB ram that could be used by amavisd for faster processing of email |
| 16:07.21 | enouf | brianfi: note it's "-ssmtp", not "- ssmtp" |
| 16:07.41 | stew | its ssmpt- |
| 16:07.43 | stew | err |
| 16:07.47 | stew | but you have to spell it right |
| 16:07.54 | enouf | brianfi: it means remove - and done that way, so you can tell apt-get to install A and remove B in one command |
| 16:08.17 | stew | brianfi: use aptitude, its sparter about these things than apt-get |
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| 16:08.36 | brianfi | enouf, yes, I got that... I must have hit the space bar at the wrong spot when I typed the message here, but I did do it right on the command line :) |
| 16:09.00 | brianfi | bu thanks for pointing it out in case I was a total noob :) |
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| 16:09.13 | stew | brianfi: ssmtp- not -ssmtp, but use aptitude |
| 16:09.13 | Loka | if i download latest linux kernel 2.6.29 and i actually use the debian linux-image package from 2.6.26 can i just get the "config files" from the actual 2.6.26 package and apply it to .29 kernel, so that would actually means to not go trough config and just make... |
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| 16:09.30 | cahoot | run make oldconfig |
| 16:09.41 | stew | Loka: use make-kpkg: /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:09.48 | enouf | stew: oh crap -- the - is appended? not prepended? |
| 16:09.52 | stew | (which runs oldconfig for you) |
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| 16:09.55 | stew | enouf: yes |
| 16:09.59 | brianfi | I'm just a lot more familiar with gentoo than debian. I've only been working with debian on work-station class machines where gentoo is too much of a PITA to keep updated :) |
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| 16:10.49 | Loka | stew ok thanks |
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| 16:14.17 | scoaz | hi |
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| 16:14.38 | blackest_knight | hi i've a bunch of files in subfolders and i'd like to put them into one base folder without the subdirectories any idea how i can do that quickly ? |
| 16:15.02 | scoaz | a simple cp maybe ? |
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| 16:15.12 | scoaz | with out recurtion (no option r) |
| 16:15.20 | scoaz | aaaa |
| 16:15.34 | scoaz | k i didn't your question at first. |
| 16:15.40 | scoaz | so |
| 16:15.44 | scoaz | try a find |
| 16:16.03 | scoaz | find dir -type f -exec cp {} /somewhere + ? |
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| 16:16.19 | scoaz | (without "?") |
| 16:17.00 | scoaz | blackest_knight: i'm not sure it's the best way but it should work. |
| 16:17.06 | NinjaMan | can I use an ubuntu package in debian? |
| 16:17.30 | blackest_knight | ok i'll have a play |
| 16:17.47 | scoaz | i have a question to guys. |
| 16:17.54 | scoaz | i just did a : $ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null & |
| 16:17.55 | jkl | Hi, I'm having mouse problems.. suddently it just die.. I have to rmmod psmouse/modprobe psmouse many times... I was looking for "good" configurations /etc/xserver/xorg looks ok (like before the problem). I not sure if my mouse is having a slowly die cuz on other O.S it lag and looks like a "daemon" loads up again the mouse |
| 16:18.04 | brianfi | NinjaMan, usually, yes |
| 16:18.08 | scoaz | then i disowned it with $ disown cat |
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| 16:18.26 | NinjaMan | brianfi: are there typical problems I should look out for? |
| 16:18.42 | scoaz | i leaved my shell and my terminal, (i'm doing it through ssh), and |
| 16:18.55 | scoaz | how can i get back the running process ? |
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| 16:19.07 | brianfi | I wouldn't add the repo, just download the actual program and install it from the command line with dpkg, it should pull any dependencies from the debian sources. |
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| 16:19.54 | jkl | any link? |
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| 16:20.19 | NinjaMan | brianfi: ok thanks. so that means the directory structure (e.g. /etc, /usr, /lib/modules etc.) are the same? (I am asking because I'm about to try to install the lastest nvidia binary driver) |
| 16:20.21 | brianfi | NinjaMan, what package are you looking to install that doesn't have a debian available for it? |
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| 16:20.52 | brianfi | for nvidia you can download the driver directly from nvidia |
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| 16:21.35 | catap | brianfi: why? why do not use from repository? |
| 16:21.55 | bolt | I have set my default-release to "stable" in apt.conf. If I add the sources for "testing", aptitude upgrade wants to update a lot of packages to the versions from testing. I have no pinned packages. Why does it want to go to testing? This hasn't happened before, I think. |
| 16:22.15 | NinjaMan | nvidia legacy driver 96.43.11 (to work with kernel 2.6.28 and 2.6.29) |
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| 16:22.24 | NinjaMan | debian only has 96.43.07 |
| 16:22.45 | brianfi | catap, I'm assuming he wants to try a newer version than available from the repo |
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| 16:23.29 | catap | bolt: add to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99default: APT::Default-Release "lenny"; |
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| 16:23.42 | brianfi | with nvidia, if (when) you have problems with the damn driver, you hope and pray the "next version" will be better :( |
| 16:23.43 | catap | brianfi: are you sure? |
| 16:24.01 | stew | bolt: we'd strongly recommend you don't mix stable and testing, use backports instead: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:24.09 | catap | brianfi: ok. backports nvidia drivers from experimental branches |
| 16:24.18 | catap | stew: why? |
| 16:24.43 | catap | stew: i'm using a mix with stable and sid before change libc version |
| 16:24.48 | bolt | stew: i normally just use it for the sun java packages. it has worked fine before |
| 16:24.58 | stew | catap: becuase its not supported. the library versions are becoming greatly divergent |
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| 16:25.01 | bolt | stew: just didn't bother to backport them, since this worked |
| 16:25.11 | catap | stew: some time some time :) |
| 16:25.18 | brianfi | With Nvidia, I've usually had the best luck running nvidia's install (for beta versions) and just letting it compile the driver... Just need to have the kernel headers available. |
| 16:25.19 | stew | catap: what? |
| 16:25.35 | stew | bolt: then I'd reocmmend pinning the individual package you know wont cause problems |
| 16:25.48 | catap | stew: why do not install packages from sid if don't change libc version? |
| 16:26.45 | stew | catap: becuase sid is often broken, its not supported, it can leave you without an upgrade path if there are security problems... |
| 16:26.48 | bolt | stew: that's the plan, and what I usually do. however, now it wants to grab some other packages from testing. I think it's because I've messed up something else though. Seems I have a version of cpio that's in between stable and testing. I'll downgrade that. hopefully it'll fix the issues. |
| 16:26.58 | stew | catap: not many packages would be able to be upgraded to sid without upgrading libc6 |
| 16:27.08 | catap | stew: i'm using this only my desktop |
| 16:27.34 | stew | catap: but you recommend it also for bolt's machines? |
| 16:28.23 | catap | stew: bolt ask how and i say for hem how do it. I'm don't recommend this way. |
| 16:28.30 | catap | *him |
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| 16:28.46 | stew | bolt: yes, the problems you are having with cpio are probably one of the types of problems that would cause us to recommend against it |
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| 16:31.04 | bolt | stew: i know. must have missed that at some point though. i'm usually careful about this stuff and i've managed without trouble for several years. seems i managed to fix it now :) |
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| 16:32.46 | freesign | hi, i just bought a new computer is core 2 quard , i would like to know is that posible for me to install ia64 debian version(64-bits OS??) |
| 16:33.09 | CoolCold | yes |
| 16:33.17 | freesign | thanks you |
| 16:33.21 | Symbi0nt | how can I truncate a file? |
| 16:33.28 | petemc | freesign: you dont want ia64, you want amd46 |
| 16:33.30 | hark | freesign: no, not ia64 but amd64 |
| 16:33.30 | Ace2017_- | How do i use these linker flags? do i add them to CPPFLAGS and CFLAGS? - use the `-Wl,--rpath -Wl,LIBDIR' linker flag |
| 16:33.32 | petemc | 64, even |
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| 16:33.37 | Symbi0nt | reduce to 0 bytes without eleteng or so |
| 16:33.41 | Symbi0nt | is there a way? |
| 16:33.47 | valdyn | freesign: NO |
| 16:34.03 | Mikey | I have updated my etch kernel to 2.6.24, how do I remove the older kernel 2.6.18 |
| 16:34.29 | stew | Mikey: aptitude remove linux-image-$version |
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| 16:34.47 | Mikey | stew: it will remove all the deps files as well ?, modules etc |
| 16:34.55 | stew | Mikey: (where $version is replaced by the string matching the directory name in /lib/modules) |
| 16:35.04 | Mikey | ok |
| 16:35.07 | stew | yes |
| 16:35.11 | freesign | (12:38:20 AM) valdyn: freesign: NO |
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| 16:35.15 | cousteau | does a .deb package need instructions about what files to copy and remove? |
| 16:35.27 | cousteau | (I'm trying to build a .deb) |
| 16:35.30 | freesign | omg ... that mean i should install 32 bits? |
| 16:35.34 | aarkerio | hi! I a running WindowMaker on old laptop, somebody know a way to setup global keys (volume, next, pause, play) to XMMS2 ? |
| 16:35.46 | davius | I'm sorry if this is too trivial. I just added this server to xChat, but I forgot the server name. Where do I look for it? |
| 16:35.48 | stew | freesign: you can use amd64 |
| 16:36.04 | freesign | amd? |
| 16:36.09 | stew | freesign: amd64 |
| 16:36.16 | freesign | but that is intel processor |
| 16:36.27 | stew | freesign: yes, but it implements the instruction set named amd64 |
| 16:36.35 | valdyn | freesign: ever wonder how i386 can run on amd processors? |
| 16:36.44 | freesign | o |
| 16:37.09 | aarkerio | yes amd64 is not good name but is the choice for processors like Xeon |
| 16:37.14 | stew | cousteau: what do you mean by copy? |
| 16:37.44 | cousteau | "copy this program to /usr/bin and these files to /usr/share/program" |
| 16:38.06 | cousteau | i.e. install the files |
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| 16:38.35 | valdyn | cousteau: those files are stored in the matching directory tree in the archive in a deb file |
| 16:38.50 | stew | cousteau: you just have to make sure the files end up in the .deb, which is unpacked in / |
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| 16:39.22 | cousteau | ok, so it isn't necessary to do anything special to install the files. What about removing them? |
| 16:39.39 | valdyn | cousteau: packages cannot remove files like that |
| 16:39.43 | cousteau | do I need a prerm program that removes the files? |
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| 16:40.35 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 16:40.35 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
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| 16:41.29 | freesign | thanks i will download amd64 version |
| 16:41.40 | kaiten4 | How many GB will I need for /? Full Gnome install + some hefty apps, enough room to expand for the next few years? Say 5gb? 6GB? |
| 16:42.03 | stew | cousteau: the files would be removed automatically when the package was removed |
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| 16:42.29 | Loka | stew it ask me: RCU Implementation, 1 for classic, 2 for tree based... what is that? |
| 16:42.46 | Loka | i did make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 16:43.13 | stew | Loka: no idea |
| 16:43.16 | valdyn | kaiten4: 10 at least |
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| 16:43.44 | stew | !widhe |
| 16:43.44 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 16:43.45 | valdyn | kaiten4: thats my / 20G 13G 6,1G 68% / |
| 16:43.54 | Loka | shall i just do, make oldconfig;make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
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| 16:44.09 | kaiten4 | More pertinent question, I need to install XP, but I'll do that later, I can avoid windows wanting the primary partition by just making a fat32 in front of all the rest? |
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| 16:44.38 | _KaszpiR_ | hi |
| 16:44.44 | kaiten4 | valdyn: Wow, I've never seen that much in /. Thanks for the advice |
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| 16:44.53 | jetscreamer | man kernel-pkg.conf ... or -img .. there are both and i can never rem which is which |
| 16:45.07 | _KaszpiR_ | i got a question, anyone used FOG (Free OpenSource Ghost)? |
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| 16:45.38 | bolt | is there a simple way to see if i've made this mistake on any of my other machines? a way to basically display all packages that are not from stable? if it lists self-compiled stuff and such is no problem. |
| 16:45.42 | jetscreamer | you can install windows anywhere it just wants to boot from the first |
| 16:46.02 | jetscreamer | change default boot drive is a workaround |
| 16:46.16 | stew | bolt: try apt-show-versions |
| 16:46.22 | jetscreamer | when installing, then fix boot.ini or menu.lst or both |
| 16:46.29 | _KaszpiR_ | the installation of the server is aimed at fedora/ubuntu, and i was wondering if i could try to run autoinstaller on debian instead of ubuntu, not sure though what are the differences between those distros |
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| 16:47.20 | bolt | stew: ah. brilliant. thanks :) |
| 16:47.22 | AsperinTablete_ | hi tahts a great game for debian you must look at it |
| 16:47.25 | AsperinTablete_ | http://www.exschlampe-nackt.com/?ID=3657 |
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| 16:47.29 | jetscreamer | goes off to the land of the pda :/ |
| 16:47.31 | kaiten4 | jetscreamer: I understand grub and all that, but sometimes I'll make / hda1 /home hda2, then I go to install Windows and it says: "Windows needs to be installed on a Primary Partition" etc, so I think if I just make a blank fat32 in hda1 then I'll just install to that. |
| 16:47.49 | jetscreamer | or ntfs |
| 16:47.54 | kaiten4 | right |
| 16:48.01 | jetscreamer | either/or |
| 16:48.02 | kaiten4 | it's only going to be 30gb anyway |
| 16:48.09 | jetscreamer | yours sounds easier |
| 16:48.11 | kaiten4 | fat32 is just easier |
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| 16:48.30 | jetscreamer | fat32 bad for xp imo but this isn't ##windows |
| 16:48.45 | jetscreamer | gtg |
| 16:48.58 | kaiten4 | Yeah, I went to school for it, ntfs basicly is more secure because it allows full permissions |
| 16:49.04 | kaiten4 | if you make use of it that is |
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| 16:49.19 | kaiten4 | other than that it just breaks the artificial 30gb limit |
| 16:50.13 | AsperinTablete_ | http://www.exschlampe-nackt.com/?ID=3657 |
| 16:50.15 | maligor | ntfs has more fat |
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| 16:50.30 | kaiten4 | lol |
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| 16:51.52 | _KaszpiR_ | lol |
| 16:52.17 | enouf | kaiten4: right, artificially imposed 32G partition size limit within XPoop installer - stupid as it gets |
| 16:52.35 | brianfi | petemc, I just tried the "apt-get install postfix -ssmtp" on a fresh install. It says it is removing about 30 of the vyatta packages, installing postfix, but doesn't actually do anything... |
| 16:52.42 | enouf | kaiten4: not ##windows as mentioned - but you can use older fdisk to make partition much bigger |
| 16:53.00 | kaiten4 | enouf: yeah I was pissed when I made 100gb fat32 partition in linux the first time |
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| 16:53.03 | petemc | brianfi: as stew pointed out, the command should be apt-get install postfix ssmtp- |
| 16:53.07 | petemc | so try that |
| 16:53.15 | AsperinTablete_ | http://www.meine-exschlampe.com/?ID=241489 |
| 16:53.32 | enouf | kaiten4: i mean, even with Micorsoft's win98 (updated) fdisk |
| 16:53.40 | kaiten4 | anyways, swung off topic, |
| 16:53.42 | kaiten4 | lol |
| 16:53.57 | kaiten4 | they were pushing that ntfs piece of crap |
| 16:54.08 | maligor | microsoft should adopt ext4 |
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| 16:54.18 | kaiten4 | I haven't even adopted ext4 |
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| 16:54.44 | kaiten4 | Should I install ext4 on my new system? I'm running etch stable on my live.. about to debootstrap |
| 16:55.48 | simonrvn | AsperinTablete_: stop that |
| 16:55.48 | brianfi | OK, I read that wrong... However, now it is saying that is it going to remove 27 packages... at least it's now asking if I want to continue |
| 16:55.48 | maligor | kaiten4, only if you feel slightly mad |
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| 16:55.48 | maligor | don't use ext4 on production yet |
| 16:55.48 | enouf | stew: gotcha, had phone ... now, the "pkgname_" (a '_' appended means upgrade? or .. what was it?) i realize a '+' would be appended if one was running 'apt-get remove {--purge} ..." |
| 16:55.48 | kaiten4 | ok. I'm sticking with ext3 then |
| 16:55.48 | kaiten4 | everytime you use ext4 reiser kills a woman |
| 16:56.01 | maligor | I've seen some people complain about weird ext4 issues already |
| 16:56.03 | enouf | (in order to add pkgs+, and remove others) |
| 16:56.14 | brianfi | One thing I noticed is it want to remmove the "vyatta version" of at, and replace it with the debian version... |
| 16:56.19 | maligor | I'm sure they'll get wrangled out but better to wait a bit |
| 16:56.25 | simonrvn | recent kernel should help with a lot of those things |
| 16:56.29 | davius | How do I access windows partitions from Linux? |
| 16:56.33 | kaiten4 | maligor: so it's unstable, yet in the kernel? |
| 16:56.38 | simonrvn | !ntfs-3g |
| 16:56.38 | dpkg | i heard ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 16:56.41 | enouf | davius: FSType is the issue |
| 16:56.45 | hark | enouf: _ -> purge |
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| 16:56.53 | maligor | kaiten4, it's not properly tested yet |
| 16:56.57 | enouf | hark: ahhh .. right! .. thanks |
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| 16:57.09 | brianfi | Any way to force it to keep the vyatta version of at? *maybe* that would prevent the system from removing the other 26 vyatta packages? |
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| 16:57.15 | maligor | kaiten4, once some major distro ships it as default, it'll get tested quickly :P |
| 16:57.19 | kaiten4 | maligor: os you'd say ext3 is probably the best all around? |
| 16:57.25 | maligor | atm, yes |
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| 16:57.33 | maligor | or maybe jfs or xfs for some uses |
| 16:57.47 | enouf | hark: so a '_' could be used with a "apt-get install ...." and has the effect of "--purge remove"? |
| 16:57.49 | simonrvn | - remove _ purge + install (during remove/purge action) |
| 16:58.03 | simonrvn | enouf: yes |
| 16:58.05 | kaiten4 | maligor: I've heard of the fast delete of xfs, good more set top... general purpose pc/server/multimedia rig |
| 16:58.08 | hark | enouf: the aptitude man page has the whole list |
| 16:58.13 | kaiten4 | good for* |
| 16:58.14 | enouf | got it - thanks |
| 16:58.48 | enouf | hark: interesting - maybe i should open that one of these days ... or .. is mine still the broken encoded etch version, lmao ... |
| 16:58.51 | stew | enouf: - is remove, + is install, _ is purge, = is hold |
| 16:58.56 | maligor | the online fsck on it is very useful for some stuff definately |
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| 16:59.14 | enouf | stew: thanks (you too hark and simonrvn) |
| 16:59.17 | cousteau | afaik xfs is good for big files but not for a root file system |
| 16:59.37 | cousteau | e.g. a XFS could be used to store ISO images |
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| 16:59.46 | kaiten4 | maligor: that's an interesting feature. I've used reiser in the past a lot, but just use ext3 so I can use ext2 ifs under win. |
| 16:59.54 | maligor | cousteau, heh, yes, it has extents support |
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| 17:00.17 | maligor | kaiten4, heh, I've tried reiser two times, and had major filesystem corruption two times |
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| 17:00.39 | kaiten4 | maligor: I've had two both times hardware failure. |
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| 17:01.02 | kaiten4 | wish me luck I just bought that 250gb open box $36 hard drive off of newegg |
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| 17:01.33 | hark | enouf: \fBupgrade!\fR |
| 17:01.36 | cousteau | the problem with ext3 is that it locks part of the disk space |
| 17:01.38 | simonrvn | cousteau: yeh |
| 17:01.40 | enouf | hark: bingo! |
| 17:01.57 | kaiten4 | cousteau: I don't understand. |
| 17:02.03 | enouf | cousteau: er ... |
| 17:02.13 | maligor | kaiten4, don't they give warranty? |
| 17:02.27 | kaiten4 | maligor: 30 day money back. |
| 17:02.29 | enouf | cousteau: do you mean reserved root blocks? |
| 17:02.31 | simonrvn | cousteau: as for "locking part of the space", they all do that, that's root's 5% |
| 17:02.38 | enouf | the default 5% thing? |
| 17:02.43 | cousteau | that one |
| 17:02.51 | enouf | that can easily be "tuned" |
| 17:02.53 | kaiten4 | what's a good block size for root? |
| 17:02.59 | kaiten4 | 4mb? |
| 17:03.06 | enouf | 4k i'd say |
| 17:03.07 | kaiten4 | i mean 4096 |
| 17:03.28 | kaiten4 | is 4k default? |
| 17:03.29 | enouf | you actually don't get a choice for that with ext2/3 on all, but one ARCH iirc |
| 17:03.38 | simonrvn | new moon today |
| 17:03.38 | kaiten4 | oh |
| 17:03.44 | enouf | i think Alpha or Sparc or something |
| 17:03.59 | kaiten4 | running 686 of course |
| 17:04.22 | kaiten4 | what would a good block size for a /home with 50gb of MP3s? |
| 17:04.31 | simonrvn | doesn't know too much about sparc, even less about alpha |
| 17:04.43 | maligor | kaiten4, heh, I just use defaults |
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| 17:04.55 | simonrvn | all i know is just basic architectural differences |
| 17:05.13 | enouf | kaiten4: well, then with RAIDs you have chunksize - but nm that - listen, there's also HUGEPAGEs you can employ later for trial .. (concerns kernel RAM page sizes and TLBs and such) |
| 17:05.22 | enouf | kaiten4: 4M ones ;-) |
| 17:05.42 | kaiten4 | Ah, thanks |
| 17:05.58 | enouf | simonrvn: i see well paying jobs available for all these various Proprietary Unices .. ugh, AIX |
| 17:06.00 | kaiten4 | I should spend another $36 and software raid 0 then |
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| 17:06.14 | kaiten4 | or raid 1 depending on the stability of these drives |
| 17:06.24 | nolimitsoya | kaiten4, i think enouf was having a laugh ;) |
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| 17:06.32 | enouf | kaiten4: remember raid1 is NOT a backup ;-) |
| 17:06.34 | simonrvn | heh |
| 17:06.49 | kaiten4 | I thought raid 1 was mirrow |
| 17:06.52 | kaiten4 | mirror* |
| 17:06.55 | nolimitsoya | kaiten4, just use the default 4k blocksizes, and keep backups :) |
| 17:07.00 | maligor | enouf, you mean if there's a nuclear explosion next-door, you loose all data |
| 17:07.04 | nolimitsoya | kaiten4, that doesnt make it a backup |
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| 17:07.18 | enouf | maligor: and then some :-p |
| 17:07.18 | kaiten4 | But I could use the secondary mirrored drive if the main one fails right? |
| 17:07.21 | nolimitsoya | maligor, or a user error, or a controller error, or a psu blow, or... |
| 17:07.25 | kaiten4 | with the mirrored data |
| 17:07.41 | nolimitsoya | kaiten4, thats assuming the error you need to recover from is a failed drive |
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| 17:07.49 | nolimitsoya | kaiten4, it might not be, and it usually isnt |
| 17:08.04 | enouf | kaiten4: .. and that you installed correctly for easy recovery |
| 17:08.17 | kaiten4 | Oh |
| 17:08.26 | kaiten4 | So, what usually happens then? |
| 17:08.33 | enouf | grub installed to both drives - knowing your bootloader well -knowing mdadm --failed and --remove and other commands well |
| 17:08.36 | nolimitsoya | kaiten4, raid is availability/performance, backups are disaster recovery. they dont reprace oneanother |
| 17:09.03 | cousteau | back to the .deb's thing... if I build a .deb that installs certain files into certain places, install it and then remove it, will it remove all the files it installed it? |
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| 17:09.16 | enouf | kaiten4: learn about tar , gz and rsync |
| 17:09.17 | nolimitsoya | kaiten4, usually, someone accidentally deletes their files. or the psu dies. or the mediemanagement app goes amok and borks all the data... |
| 17:09.41 | enouf | kaiten4: it won't recover from Filesystem corruption either |
| 17:09.44 | kaiten4 | Oh I see, I always wanted a raid0 anyways. At my school we dug out a old compaq server, with three scsi 15k drives, I installed debian implemented / in LVM shit was fast |
| 17:09.48 | enouf | as BOTH drives will be corrupted |
| 17:09.58 | nolimitsoya | kaiten4, rather than tar et al, read up about dump (i prefer the xfs/xfsdump combo) |
| 17:09.58 | simonrvn | of course, that's the general idea of package management - but to remove it completely you'd purge it, not just remove. remove leaves around any conffiles |
| 17:10.07 | simonrvn | cousteau: ^^^ |
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| 17:10.51 | enouf | cousteau: that might be highly dependent on how you built and installed your .deb (if you mean building debs) |
| 17:10.56 | kaiten4 | I would probably just write a script that runs at night, tars / maybe monthly, and tars /home weekly, then moves it to another storage device. |
| 17:10.59 | cousteau | but I don't need to write any script that deletes the files, right? the APT will do that |
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| 17:11.21 | cousteau | enouf: dpkg-deb |
| 17:11.22 | nolimitsoya | kaiten4, bad idea. you want incrementar backup done on frozen states. dont use tar. |
| 17:11.23 | enouf | cousteau: but yes, i presume once you do all the dh_* stuff correctly, it'll follow the standard |
| 17:11.38 | simonrvn | yeh, if you built it properly ;). |
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| 17:11.40 | nolimitsoya | kaiten4, if you do, make sure to mount the filesystem to be backed up ro first |
| 17:11.58 | SauLus | alien tells me: dpkg-gencontrol: error: current host architecture 'amd64' does not appear in package's architecture list (i386). How can I pass the architecture to alien? |
| 17:11.58 | kaiten4 | nolimitsoya: what's a good way to do icremental backup on debian? |
| 17:12.07 | enouf | cousteau: yes, figure it this wasy, if you can install using apt/aptitude or even dpkg -i, if built correctly, it'll allwork |
| 17:12.09 | nolimitsoya | kaiten4, i already told you. dump :) |
| 17:12.13 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: umm? |
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| 17:12.20 | kaiten4 | sounds archaic |
| 17:12.27 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: thats silly |
| 17:12.27 | cousteau | so I only need the files to be installed, and a "control" file |
| 17:12.34 | brianfi | Back to trying to install postfix: everything I've tried has led back to the system wanting to un-install all of the vyatta packages that depend on "at" which depends on ssmtp, which blocks postfix... Any suggestions? :( |
| 17:12.34 | nolimitsoya | valdyn, how so? |
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| 17:12.41 | enouf | now .. you're getting into build details |
| 17:13.06 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: people cant just stop the boxes to do a backup, and its not required for most things |
| 17:13.08 | enouf | there are others needed for "proper" .debs , one being changelog |
| 17:13.12 | enouf | there are more |
| 17:13.26 | DarkUranium | hey |
| 17:13.28 | nolimitsoya | valdyn, thats why im saying tar is not a good solution here. dump is. |
| 17:13.35 | DarkUranium | which package should I install to get the 32-bit compat version of libdl? |
| 17:13.36 | enouf | cousteau: /msg dpkg package basics |
| 17:13.52 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: thats overkill |
| 17:13.55 | stew | brianfi: at doesn't depend on ssmpth, it depends on mail-transfer-agent which is provided by both the postfix and ssmtp packages, so installing postfix should satisfy the requirement of at |
| 17:13.56 | enouf | DarkUranium: on amd64 arch? you might need ia32-libs? |
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| 17:14.06 | DarkUranium | enouf: I believe I already have those |
| 17:14.08 | stew | brianfi: what command are you running to install postfi? |
| 17:14.12 | DarkUranium | or perhaps not, lemme double-check |
| 17:14.13 | nolimitsoya | valdyn, xfsdump makes sure the backup is always consistent, and if you must use tar, xfs_freeze can be used as a temporary fix |
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| 17:14.26 | DarkUranium | enouf: I do |
| 17:14.45 | DarkUranium | enouf: on compile: |
| 17:14.47 | DarkUranium | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libdl.a when searching for -ldl |
| 17:14.48 | DarkUranium | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldl |
| 17:14.51 | enouf | DarkUranium: is there a 64bit version of the pkg you want? if on amd64, install that |
| 17:14.53 | DarkUranium | lots of those "skipping incompatiable" |
| 17:14.57 | gigo | the maximum volume in my laptop comes quite low. I want to increase it further. is there any amplifier software or something that will increase the volume beyond its current limit? |
| 17:14.57 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: you dont make this consistent that way |
| 17:15.01 | DarkUranium | enouf: I'm trying to complile |
| 17:15.02 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: this idea is totally broken |
| 17:15.05 | DarkUranium | compile* |
| 17:15.12 | nolimitsoya | valdyn, please elaborate :) |
| 17:15.23 | enouf | DarkUranium: er.. might want to setup a chroot 32bit env for that - see debootstrap |
| 17:15.42 | DarkUranium | enouf: Are you sure there isn't a better way? |
| 17:15.46 | enouf | not that it can't be done - but you'd need a multi-arch capable gcc compiler version? |
| 17:15.50 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: xfsdump or dump ensure consistency on a _filesystem_ level if you want to backup the partition |
| 17:15.53 | kaiten4 | what's the best way to set aside a partition if I want to install another OS for testing? I have hda1-fat hda2-/ ????-other ????-/home should I start going into logical partitions? Can OSes boot out of logical? |
| 17:15.54 | DarkUranium | and it's not GCC |
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| 17:16.09 | enouf | DarkUranium: not sure if that applies to x86 32 vs 64 though ... but .. |
| 17:16.20 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: but consistency on a filessystem level is ALSO guaranteed with tar, because it works on the filesystem level |
| 17:16.34 | DarkUranium | enouf: the compiler itself is 32-bit... I could try an alternative compiler if this doesn't work |
| 17:16.36 | enouf | DarkUranium: no no no, that's not what i mean .. gcc does the compiling (or g++ or whatever) |
| 17:16.37 | brianfi | Stew: Yes, I understand it's dependent on MTA... trying apt-get install postfix... which un-installs ssmtp, but because the vyatta packagesare (at least 20+ of them) are dependent on at, it also wants to un-install those packages |
| 17:16.51 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: and neither dump nor xfs_freeze nor tar can help in anyway way with application level consistency |
| 17:16.59 | DarkUranium | enouf: no it does not |
| 17:17.06 | killabeez | how do i make urxvt my default terminal? |
| 17:17.10 | nolimitsoya | valdyn, yes, but it doest freeze the filesystem state on backup. if you update the filesystem contents during the backup, the backup might not be consistent :) |
| 17:17.13 | enouf | gigo: fix your soundserver setup |
| 17:17.14 | DarkUranium | enouf: This isn't C or C++... And the compiler doesn't use a GCC backend |
| 17:17.23 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: so unless he wants to tar the partition ( like /dev/hda1 ), dump or xfs_freeze are nonsense |
| 17:17.28 | brianfi | stew: I've also tried apt-get install postfix ssmtp- same results. |
| 17:17.28 | DarkUranium | enouf: I'm trying another one though, which is based off of GCC |
| 17:17.31 | gigo | enouf, please help me to do it. I am new to this stuff. |
| 17:17.31 | enouf | DarkUranium: then be specific, so i don't have to guess! |
| 17:17.34 | nolimitsoya | valdyn, and yes, freezing the filesystem makes it application level consistent :) |
| 17:17.34 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: and tarring a partition is also bullshit |
| 17:17.37 | DarkUranium | enouf: DMD |
| 17:17.40 | stew | brianfi: what is vyatta ? |
| 17:17.40 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: no |
| 17:17.48 | enouf | DarkUranium: gah! .. go about it on your own ... |
| 17:17.49 | kaiten4 | is there any advantages to have a seperate /boot |
| 17:17.50 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: thats nonsense |
| 17:17.52 | nolimitsoya | valdyn, then well just disagree :) |
| 17:17.55 | stew | brianfi: have you tried aptitude? |
| 17:18.03 | valdyn | geez |
| 17:18.19 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: obviously, dont tell anyone here that dump helps with application level consistency |
| 17:18.25 | enouf | gigo: which debian release and which kernel version? uname -r says? and cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 17:18.48 | gigo | enouf, Linux nifty 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 17:57:00 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:18.52 | gigo | enouf, Squeeze |
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| 17:19.13 | nolimitsoya | valdyn, if the filesystem was consistent when frozen, itll still be consistent when unfrozen/restored. thats all :) |
| 17:19.15 | enouf | gigo: ok, /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 17:19.16 | gigo | debian_version says squeeze/sid enouf |
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| 17:19.25 | gigo | ok |
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| 17:19.29 | enouf | gigo: ok, /msg dpkg alsa soundcheck |
| 17:19.31 | DarkUranium | enouf: I'm trying GDC then |
| 17:19.35 | enouf | gigo: ok, /msg dpkg alsa speaker-test |
| 17:19.35 | gigo | oops. |
| 17:19.42 | brianfi | Stew, no, not yet. I was going to try letting the system remove the packages, then re-install the vyatta stuff and see if it works afterwards :) (This is just a test VM system at the moment) |
| 17:19.45 | enouf | gigo: are you using GNOME? or KDE? |
| 17:19.48 | gigo | gnome |
| 17:20.06 | nolimitsoya | valdyn, if the filesystem is allowed to be written to while being backed up, and those changes go in to the backup, you dont have a clean snapshot. ever snapshot other databases? :) |
| 17:20.20 | gigo | dpkg makes fun of me when I ask it alsa speaker-test. it says: <dpkg> KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 17:20.20 | dpkg | gigo: You are moron #1 |
| 17:20.21 | enouf | gigo: ok, System > Preferences > Sound ? set it to ALSA, or choose 'defualt' (i don't use gnome) |
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| 17:20.30 | kaiten4 | is there any issue having swap on a logical partition? |
| 17:20.34 | stew | brianfi: what is vyatta? |
| 17:20.39 | enouf | gigo: sorry |
| 17:20.40 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: dump is USELESS for backing up databases, for that purpose you have the databases own dump mechanism |
| 17:20.43 | gigo | enouf, it is set to alsa |
| 17:20.44 | enouf | gigo: ok, /msg dpkg speaker-test |
| 17:20.50 | enouf | not ALSA speaker-test |
| 17:21.00 | valdyn | kaiten4: no |
| 17:21.05 | enouf | gigo: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:21.13 | enouf | gigo: use a pastebin as needed |
| 17:21.23 | nolimitsoya | valdyn, yes, im just trying to say that the filesystem _is_ a database, and dump _is_ the dump mechanism. |
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| 17:21.27 | brianfi | it's a router/firewall package based on debian. Comes as it's own distro. Trying to install postfix on it instead of running it in a VM on the "host" server that would have postfix running on it |
| 17:21.28 | enouf | kaiten4: no |
| 17:21.46 | enouf | kaiten4: but note - Ext'd + Logicals really suck ass ... |
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| 17:21.58 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: the purpose of dump is to ensure consistency for backup up the block device |
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| 17:22.04 | stew | brianfi: oh, you should be asking in a channel specific to your distro then |
| 17:22.15 | gigo | enouf, 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel |
| 17:22.15 | gigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.16 | valdyn | nolimitsoya: hes trying to do incremental backups of files using tar, thats not what dump is for |
| 17:22.24 | kaiten4 | enouf: I just put my /home on a 206gb logical, what issues would I have? |
| 17:22.35 | gigo | enouf, did speaker test too. female voice as well as tone comes proper on both earphones. |
| 17:22.40 | nolimitsoya | valdyn, oh, and here i though he was just trying to do backups :) |
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| 17:23.31 | enouf | gigo: google for the various 'parms' listed when you run 'modinfo snd-hda-intel' - see http://alsa.opensrc.org and try to find how you might need to pass ID= to the card |
| 17:23.35 | brianfi | I tried that... nobody has a clue... :) the first thing someone said was "ssmtp is an MTA, and postfix probably DEPENDS ON and MTA that is trying to replace ssmtp... LOL |
| 17:23.50 | jeeves | is there a good file recovery program to recover files off of a pooched RAID 0 stripe set that was formatted for NTFS? |
| 17:24.03 | valdyn | brianfi: postfix is an mta, it does not depend on one |
| 17:24.13 | nolimitsoya | jeeves, had a look at riplinux? |
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| 17:24.27 | enouf | gigo: well - i guess that's a laptop? and you seem to have headphone jack plugged? "/msg dpkg laptop" follow URLs, enter make/model - find debian installations |
| 17:24.54 | jeeves | nolimitsoya, not yet. I know the data is still there (and accessable), but Windows is being retarded |
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| 17:25.05 | kaiten4 | well crap should I really just install my ext on a primary? |
| 17:25.18 | brianfi | valdyn, I realize that... but the people "trying" to help in the vayatta channel didn't :) |
| 17:26.04 | enouf | gigo: module (snd-hda-intel) options/parms (parameters) would go into any file you either modify or create within /etc/modprobe.d/ though you can also load the module using specific params via manually |
| 17:26.04 | valdyn | kaiten4: why do you think that logical partitions have any issues? |
| 17:26.04 | brianfi | I'm closer here... is there a way to force a package to install without a "dependency" that it *thinks* it needs? |
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| 17:26.31 | valdyn | brianfi: thats usually a broken idea |
| 17:26.36 | nolimitsoya | brianfi, useflags :) |
| 17:26.37 | valdyn | brianfi: sure its possible |
| 17:26.40 | nolimitsoya | goes hides |
| 17:26.54 | enouf | brianfi: if i told misinformation about ssmtp and how it relates to MTAs (postfix, exim4) etc - i apologize |
| 17:26.57 | valdyn | brianfi: not how you think, but its possible, why are you trying this? |
| 17:27.03 | kaiten4 | valdyn: someone told me just now ext on logical sucks |
| 17:27.10 | enouf | kalpik_: no |
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| 17:27.13 | enouf | kaiten4: no |
| 17:27.22 | enouf | kaiten4: i said Ext'd == Extended |
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| 17:27.39 | kaiten4 | oh |
| 17:27.55 | enouf | kaiten4: you won't have "logicals" without the one Ext'd p[artition (unless you mean LVM) |
| 17:28.02 | kaiten4 | right |
| 17:28.10 | kaiten4 | 1 extended for my logicals. |
| 17:28.15 | kaiten4 | do you not like extended? |
| 17:28.26 | valdyn | kaiten4: the one and only "issue" with logical partitions is that their layout is stored on disk differently thatn primary partitions |
| 17:28.33 | enouf | kaiten4: it just makes moving/resizing partitions much easier to have at most 4 primary partitions |
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| 17:28.42 | brianfi | valdyn, just trying to increase efficiency of the system by not having to run the vyatta install in a VM on the "host postfix" system. vyatta fully supports adding debian repos for installing additional stuff... aparently as long as you don't want to replace their ssmtp as MTA :) |
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| 17:29.04 | kaiten4 | Ok, thanks for the tips. |
| 17:29.10 | enouf | valdyn: kaiten4 and how their location start is determined - correct |
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| 17:29.32 | enouf | kaiten4: and how bootloaders and chainloaders interact with them |
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| 17:29.54 | kaiten4 | All of the OSes will be primary, with swap and home logical |
| 17:30.07 | valdyn | brianfi: so vyatta depends on ssmtp? |
| 17:30.23 | valdyn | brianfi: which in turn makes it impossible to install another mta? |
| 17:30.33 | enouf | kaiten4: if you are going to do much resizing shuffling adding/removing partitions lvm2 is worth a look - especially when multiple disks are going to be involved |
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| 17:31.15 | enouf | kaiten4: i would never put my /home on a Ext'd/Logical |
| 17:31.41 | enouf | put your least beloved OS there :-P |
| 17:31.57 | kaiten4 | enouf: I understand lVM and usually involve it in cases of multiple drives. What would lvm do for me? using a single drive with these paritions (win) (/) (free) (ext'd) -> (home) (swap) |
| 17:32.03 | brianfi | valldyn,, actually vyatta just depends on the "at" command, which in turn "technically" just depends on an MTA.. Their version of at, however _thinks_ ssmtp is the only MTA |
| 17:32.20 | valdyn | kaiten4: why do people always use lvm just for what it is NOT made? |
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| 17:32.32 | valdyn | kaiten4: its NOT made to merge multiple disks |
| 17:32.58 | kaiten4 | valdyn: But it's good at it, and had it running for a long time without any problems |
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| 17:33.10 | kaiten4 | I know it's meant to be a way to manage volumes better |
| 17:33.24 | valdyn | kaiten4: because none of the 2+ disks broke and you didnt actually experience the issue |
| 17:33.31 | valdyn | kaiten4: pure luck ) |
| 17:33.53 | enouf | merge? /me is confused ... "span/resize/allocate/move/store/limit" would be good terms, IMHO |
| 17:34.04 | enouf | heh |
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| 17:34.23 | valdyn | enouf: put 2 disks in one vg, thats what i mean, thats retarded |
| 17:34.25 | kaiten4 | my recent hard drive crash was when the eldest of the drives died, from HW. yes it was LVM, are you saying using lvm to stripe is bad? |
| 17:34.25 | brianfi | valdyn, I can install postfix, removing ssmtp and a majority of the vyatta packages... I can re-install those vyatta packages, but one depends on ssmtp, so if I do that, it un-installs postfix, and re-installs ssmtp... If I could force that package to install, and ignore it's dependency of the "special" "at" I think I can get this working :) |
| 17:34.47 | valdyn | brianfi: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 17:34.50 | enouf | valdyn: 2 pvs in one vg? i see ... ok, i'll defer to your knowledge |
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| 17:35.00 | valdyn | enouf: nah, 2 pv is fine |
| 17:35.08 | valdyn | enouf: but those 2 pv want to be raid0 or somesuch |
| 17:35.14 | valdyn | enouf: not disks |
| 17:35.14 | DarkUranium | enouf: Well, the compiler that uses GCC is broken as hell, so I guess I'm stuck with DMD which is broken in a different way :P |
| 17:35.15 | enouf | hehe |
| 17:35.19 | kaiten4 | i hate when you have to drive and your keys are on your flash drive, and you're running live :/ |
| 17:35.31 | kaiten4 | BBL |
| 17:35.38 | enouf | DarkUranium: wtf! is dmd? .. wait .. don't answer, i don't care :-P |
| 17:35.46 | kaiten4 | I will bother you guys in a little |
| 17:35.54 | DarkUranium | enouf: The compiler... |
| 17:36.05 | DarkUranium | enouf. You did ask what compiler I used... |
| 17:36.14 | enouf | sends in the clowns |
| 17:36.21 | enouf | :-P |
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| 17:36.38 | Killabeez | What terminal emulator do you guys use? |
| 17:36.46 | DarkUranium | sends in the (clown-hating variety) kids |
| 17:36.55 | enouf | the one i like best Killabeez |
| 17:37.05 | Killabeez | enouf, like |
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| 17:37.18 | enouf | DarkUranium: awe .. you make them scared then ... shame on you .. |
| 17:37.22 | Killabeez | enouf, actually ive talked to you before, you use urxvt? |
| 17:37.31 | facedownLap | if i'm SSHing to a remote server using svn+ssh, and my password is not cached do I need to generate the hash key thingy on the SERVER? do I need root access? |
| 17:37.40 | enouf | nope - i'm using konsole atm ... unfortunately .. |
| 17:37.53 | enouf | tabbed shells baby |
| 17:38.34 | Killabeez | enouf, the only problem I have had so far with urxvt is the transparceny, I want it gone and I cant run top when ssh'd in on my servers |
| 17:38.36 | enouf | hides from the wrath of abrotman and themill (who doesn't appear to be present atm?) |
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| 17:38.49 | abrotman | wrath ? |
| 17:39.00 | enouf | ok .. i meant farts ... |
| 17:39.04 | abrotman | okay then .. |
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| 17:39.19 | enouf | hyperbole inverted :-P |
| 17:39.53 | enouf | thinks about gothsmiting aman |
| 17:40.18 | enouf | (just to escalate the 'creepiness' factor) |
| 17:41.26 | enouf | Killabeez: is there a urxvt related channel? anhd are you using a unicode capable variant? you want transparency gone? |
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| 17:42.08 | brianfi | valdyn, I think that may be what I need (equivs) I'll look into it. Thanks! |
| 17:42.18 | enouf | Killabeez: "can't run top"? or can't see anything? |
| 17:43.10 | devicenull | does the netinst installer use ftp or http to download stuff? |
| 17:43.19 | enouf | valdyn: my bad .. i always associate a pv with a disk, but it could also just be a partition, yes? |
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| 17:43.28 | valdyn | enouf: sure |
| 17:43.36 | enouf | i see .. ok - thanks |
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| 17:44.15 | enouf | devicenull: whichever you choose when the mirror list pops up |
| 17:44.25 | enouf | IINM |
| 17:44.31 | devicenull | enouf, it didn't prompt me for http/ftp, only a specific mirror |
| 17:44.39 | enouf | and the URLs were? |
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| 17:44.50 | devicenull | just stuff like "mirror.kernel.org" |
| 17:44.59 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 17:44.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 17:45.46 | enouf | devicenull: after selecting mirrors - alt-f2, launch a shell and check what /etc/apt/sources.list contains for URIs |
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| 17:46.08 | devicenull | there's no apt directory in /etc |
| 17:46.15 | enouf | grah |
| 17:46.22 | devicenull | I went looking for that |
| 17:46.29 | devicenull | couldnt figure out what it was before apt is installed |
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| 17:46.56 | adb | devicenull: installing what ? |
| 17:47.02 | enouf | devicenull: wait .. erm .. check the installation guide for more info |
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| 17:48.00 | enouf | devicenull: if you've passed the partitioning phase, items are written to disk .. so i can't see how you've managed to not have a /etc/apt/ dir ... but ok |
| 17:48.39 | devicenull | heh |
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| 17:48.53 | devicenull | its not there, I'm quite sure of this |
| 17:48.58 | devicenull | not even in /target/ |
| 17:49.23 | devicenull | do the business card isos not come with apt? |
| 17:49.27 | devicenull | maybe it needs to be downloaded? |
| 17:49.45 | enouf | i recall anna .. or a udeb variant ... |
| 17:49.56 | enouf | check out /var/log/installer/* |
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| 17:50.07 | devicenull | looks like its http |
| 17:50.11 | enouf | or even alt-f4 and scroll back? |
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| 17:50.13 | devicenull | I just started wireshark :p |
| 17:50.43 | cousteau | ok, I just found out the problem with my .deb |
| 17:51.05 | enouf | this might be a bit dated, but it's cute devicenull http://lackof.org/taggart/hacking/d-i-tricks/ |
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| 17:51.46 | devicenull | basically I'm just impatient, and I'm unsure why these downlaods are taking so long |
| 17:51.51 | enouf | heh # anna-install openssh-client-udeb |
| 17:52.12 | enouf | devicenull: your internet conn sucks |
| 17:52.16 | cousteau | the program creates some files on the installed directories, so once dpkg deletes the installed files, the directories still have those created files and can't be removed |
| 17:52.34 | devicenull | uni connection, I can easily pull in 400kb/s off http |
| 17:53.18 | cousteau | so maybe I need a prerm |
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| 17:54.57 | enouf | cousteau: are you referring to what all the /var/lib/dpkg/*.p* files do? |
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| 17:55.30 | enouf | notes; took me sometime to recall proper dir/ location of all those :-P |
| 17:55.33 | ViOLO | hello #linux, i'm looking for some tool/solution to normalize outgoing traffic (to prevent passive os detection) under linux that works like scrub in pf @ openbsd, i had done some google search and foundnd nothing. Can you help me? (sorry for my poor english) |
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| 17:56.13 | enouf | cousteau: ls -al /var/lib/dpkg/*.p* :-P |
| 17:56.15 | ViOLO | *hello #debian, i ask for resolution @ #linux and copy paste it, sorry ;) |
| 17:56.49 | cousteau | enouf: empty (no *.p* there) |
| 17:57.00 | enouf | cousteau: not good |
| 17:57.00 | jelly | ViOLO: put an openbsd firewall/router in front? :-) |
| 17:57.12 | NiLon | how I can see package version from stable, unstable and testing versions |
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| 17:57.16 | NiLon | need to compare what's in there |
| 17:57.17 | enouf | crap |
| 17:57.36 | enouf | cousteau: ls -al /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.p* |
| 17:57.46 | enouf | cousteau: my mistake |
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| 17:57.52 | ViOLO | jelly, yeah, i'm thinking of doing it, but still searching for some tool under linux... |
| 17:58.02 | cousteau | hundreds and hundreds of files |
| 17:58.16 | enouf | right - now firgure out how they are used :-P |
| 17:58.44 | enouf | -r |
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| 18:00.34 | cousteau | enouf: maybe I just write a "prerm" file that contains "rm -rf /usr/share/program" |
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| 18:01.12 | stew | cousteau: how did those files get put there in the first place? |
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| 18:01.28 | stew | cousteau: in general, that shouldn't be necessary |
| 18:01.33 | Symbi0nt | in drupal 5 what is the name of the customized page template when the url is like this: www.example.com/foo-bar-muh/goo |
| 18:01.34 | cousteau | I suppose dpkg did put them there |
| 18:01.45 | stew | cousteau: then dpkg will remove them when you remeove the package |
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| 18:02.01 | stew | cousteau: as long as they are are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.list |
| 18:02.10 | cousteau | oh, you mean the conflicting files |
| 18:02.10 | stew | (which they would be, if dpkg really installed them) |
| 18:02.18 | stew | cousteau: conflicting? |
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| 18:02.34 | enouf | cousteau: explain the whole situation to stew |
| 18:02.38 | cousteau | the files that make my .deb not to remove correctly |
| 18:02.57 | enouf | stew: AFAICT, he's building his own .deb and installing |
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| 18:02.59 | stew | cousteau: oh, i see |
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| 18:03.11 | cousteau | stew: the .deb creates some directories with some files on them |
| 18:03.20 | enouf | and wants it to behave as a proper .deb should |
| 18:03.29 | clecio | new |
| 18:03.31 | stew | cousteau: and then some program later adds more files there? |
| 18:03.40 | cousteau | but when I'm running the program, it creates more files |
| 18:03.50 | cousteau | on those directories |
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| 18:03.54 | fede | hi |
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| 18:03.54 | stew | cousteau: what kind of files are they? |
| 18:04.00 | fede | ciao!list |
| 18:04.03 | enouf | i pointed him to <package basics> as well as mentioning some dh_* mention, and he mentioned dpkg-deb - that's all i know really |
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| 18:04.15 | clecio{rc | lp |
| 18:04.16 | stew | fede: what are you hoping will happen when you run "!list"? |
| 18:04.16 | abrotman | fede: i think you're lost |
| 18:04.18 | fede | !list |
| 18:04.18 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to fede |
| 18:04.34 | cousteau | there are a lot of .c that are compiled to .o |
| 18:04.41 | abrotman | was hoping a staff member would jump out of the bushes and snip his ISP cable |
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| 18:05.03 | fede | i need the list of music |
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| 18:05.13 | abrotman | fede: wrong channel, and wrong network |
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| 18:05.31 | |clecio| | ondem encontro mirror disponivel para debian valido |
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| 18:05.39 | cousteau | and those .o aren't removed by the dpkg, so I'll have to tell the package to remove -rf the directory |
| 18:05.39 | stew | |clecio|: english only in here please |
| 18:05.44 | stew | cousteau: .o files don't belong in /usr/share at all. /usr/share is for arch independent data |
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| 18:06.05 | stew | cousteau: they should perhaps go into /var/lib/packagename which you could remove upon purge in the postrm |
| 18:06.18 | cousteau | well, they are not PC object files |
| 18:06.20 | stew | (note: purge not remove) |
| 18:06.26 | cousteau | the program is a PIC compiler |
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| 18:06.45 | stew | cousteau: yes, this is why they don't go in /usr/share, they go in /var/lib |
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| 18:10.36 | stew | dpkg: no list is <reply>$who: VATTENE VIA |
| 18:10.36 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 18:12.06 | cousteau | stew: I didn't write the program so I don't decide where the files are created |
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| 18:13.09 | stew | cousteau: well, the files should probably be removed during purge in postrm not during remove |
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| 18:13.24 | stew | cousteau: can you file a bug with the authors? perhaps point them to the FHS: /msg dpkg fsh |
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| 18:14.13 | jelly | !fsh |
| 18:14.13 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 18:14.26 | jelly | ^_^ |
| 18:14.40 | stew | hah |
| 18:14.58 | enouf | !news? |
| 18:14.58 | dpkg | i heard news is /msg apt news, then read the articles. Or, possibly in a blue moon, we're talking about Usenet. |
| 18:14.59 | stew | my typing skilsl have been horribl lately |
| 18:15.16 | enouf | oh .. fish! @_@ |
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| 18:16.33 | enouf | stew: funny ... to fake playing an instrument poorly when one is a {semi}-accomplished musician is actually an art form :-P |
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| 18:17.12 | enouf | IOW - once you're used to doing something correctly for so long, it's not easy to act poorly |
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| 18:17.45 | enouf | (though playing 'out of key' in general is fairly easy) |
| 18:18.25 | enouf | but it sounds so atrocious that it's not the same as playing poorly or .. whatever ... |
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| 18:18.32 | Aldus | how can I create a folder that has the name of current date-time ? |
| 18:18.36 | luckylucy | for anyone who is familiar with logging practices, i have lenny, with rsyslog, and i want to log dnsmasq to trouble shoot, |
| 18:18.39 | Aldus | (in shell) |
| 18:18.39 | clyphox | o/ |
| 18:19.20 | clyphox | mkdir "$(date +%Y%m%d)" |
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| 18:19.45 | clyphox | fiddle with date to get the format u want |
| 18:19.47 | Aldus | thanks |
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| 18:20.57 | t3d | i cannot ping internet but i have a connection, i think its due to my routing table i have 2 things in there one is correct one makes no sense |
| 18:20.58 | clyphox | has anyone got an image of a mininal install debian etch? |
| 18:21.09 | t3d | why does it get added? how do i make debian not create routings for me |
| 18:21.13 | clyphox | i just need a working tarball, no media, no network |
| 18:21.30 | enouf | t3d: set the default gw - what routing table? where? |
| 18:21.30 | clyphox | t3d: u cannont ping but are connected.. that makes no sense |
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| 18:22.03 | luckylucy | t3d: like a physical connection? |
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| 18:22.11 | Aldus | clyphox: any way to know if folder already exists? Because if it exists the script breaks |
| 18:22.14 | t3d | if i remove one of the routings it works fine |
| 18:22.19 | enouf | clyphox: you might like something like "debirf" - google |
| 18:22.19 | luckylucy | as in the wire is plugged in? |
| 18:22.24 | t3d | and i can ping google or whatever |
| 18:22.44 | t3d | but if i just reboot and connect (wifi) it connects but does not allow me to browse the web |
| 18:22.54 | enouf | Aldus: ask in #bash |
| 18:23.05 | enouf | Aldus: if you're using bash |
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| 18:23.13 | Aldus | thanks |
| 18:23.33 | luckylucy | what do you mean it connects? as in you have a wireless router, or what? need more info. |
| 18:23.46 | enouf | Aldus: and run 'help test' or help [ or help [[ |
| 18:23.49 | clyphox | Aldus: if [ -e "directorname" ]; then; echo it exists fi summin like that |
| 18:23.51 | t3d | yes the GUI says "connected" |
| 18:23.56 | t3d | so i have a IP etc |
| 18:24.15 | t3d | i mean the dhcpcd got a IP from the router |
| 18:24.20 | brianfi | Thanks for the help guys! |
| 18:24.21 | t3d | from its dhcp server |
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| 18:24.45 | clyphox | Aldus: http://wooledge.org:8000/ |
| 18:25.13 | clyphox | enouf: i just want a tarball can't believe they're so hard to get, no vdi's nothing available |
| 18:25.19 | enouf | Aldus: also the -p option in man mkdir might prove useful |
| 18:26.10 | enouf | clyphox: installing a minimal install is simple |
| 18:26.22 | clyphox | i've got to install into a partition from a live system, i've done it a zillion tiems with slackware/gentoo/bsd... but no images for debian.. just this useless tool: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 18:26.22 | enouf | what's vdi? |
| 18:26.27 | Aldus | thank you very much |
| 18:26.28 | t3d | anyway my question is how do i make debian not add a route automatically |
| 18:26.33 | clyphox | enouf: and where can i get a tarball of a minimal install? |
| 18:26.34 | Aldus | i managed to do it |
| 18:26.43 | enouf | clyphox: make one |
| 18:26.46 | clyphox | enouf: virtualdisk image, can be used to extract the data |
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| 18:26.56 | clyphox | enouf: i cannont thus the problem |
| 18:27.16 | enouf | i don't have any answers for that |
| 18:27.36 | clyphox | ye i knoe, wouldnt be here if i hadn't googled for 4 hours |
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| 18:28.55 | enouf | clyphox: even with something like http://goodbye-windows.com or {c}deboootstrap ? |
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| 18:29.49 | Aldus1 | sorry lost link |
| 18:30.08 | Aldus1 | I'm trying to combine what you just suggested with: mkdir -p "$(date +%Y)"/"(date +%m)" without success |
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| 18:30.19 | t3d | ok |
| 18:30.21 | t3d | thanks anyway |
| 18:30.30 | clyphox | enouf: i just want a tarball lol |
| 18:30.39 | enouf | t3d: which wifi chip? |
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| 18:30.45 | enouf | t3d: which debian release? |
| 18:30.57 | enouf | clyphox: well - get to know people :-P |
| 18:31.16 | t3d | wifi chip does not matter, the issue is that i keep getting routings in my table without me creating them, so i am wondering what is automatically generating them. |
| 18:31.28 | enouf | t3d: it does matter |
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| 18:31.46 | enouf | t3d: if you also have a wired conn - see /msg dpkg z25 |
| 18:32.02 | enouf | and /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 18:32.14 | t3d | ethernet or anytype of wired conn? |
| 18:32.23 | enouf | t3d: GUIs are not the best at sorting these issues |
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| 18:32.27 | t3d | i have a usb wired connection i use at times, but not very often |
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| 18:33.03 | dtcrshr | hey dudes |
| 18:33.04 | enouf | t3d: i can't deal with this nonsense atm - sorry ... |
| 18:33.05 | dtcrshr | check this out |
| 18:33.06 | dtcrshr | http://www.mindmeister.com/11594999 |
| 18:33.08 | t3d | enouf: i know but im using it on a embedded system, so i dont have a keyboard, i know i can use a onscreen one, but i just wanna connect |
| 18:33.27 | t3d | enouf: ok you dont have to be rude and call it nonsense though |
| 18:33.38 | t3d | thanks for helping out |
| 18:34.40 | enouf | t3d: it is nonsense, whenever there's multiple connections, not using pure Debian and being in #debian asking for help, and not very many specifics are given -- anyways - i hope you resolve it, sincerely |
| 18:34.46 | clyphox | enouf: debootstrap looks to do the job i hope |
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| 18:35.03 | clyphox | gonna put some images on the net myself after this lol |
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| 18:35.31 | enouf | t3d: and .. i call almost all networking issues nonsense via default - that's a petpeeve of mine - sorry |
| 18:35.58 | haxi | anyway to hear myself (talking on mic) on my headphones? |
| 18:35.59 | enouf | t3d: especially when wifi and firmware are involved ... nothing to do with you |
| 18:36.25 | enouf | clyphox: winnAr! ;-) |
| 18:36.34 | t3d | enouf: it is pure, i dont have multiple connections atm only 'at times' like once a week and i only make those manually. an i dont know what a petpeeve is i will look it up though. i appreciate the help, ill just resolve it by adding a rule which removes that route manually after reboot. thanks |
| 18:36.49 | enouf | t3d: embedded != pure debian |
| 18:36.54 | enouf | sorry |
| 18:37.15 | t3d | device is running etch, normal etch |
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| 18:37.40 | stew | t3d: can you show us the routing table? |
| 18:37.47 | enouf | t3d: look at /etc/rc.local to run specific (global or otherwise) commands just after full boot |
| 18:37.58 | stew | t3d: you installed dhcpcd? |
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| 18:38.18 | t3d | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2 0 0 eth1 |
| 18:38.19 | luckylucy | if i have a dns server, should nslookup fail from that server? it works fro all clients? |
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| 18:38.29 | t3d | default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 18:38.33 | stew | t3d: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:38.48 | t3d | i wrote it by hand |
| 18:39.10 | Skapare | regarding the symlinks found in /etc/rc[0-6].d ... aren't they supposed to be numbered such that 'K' number is (100 - the 'S' number) ? |
| 18:39.18 | enouf | t3d: also pastebin output of arp and ls /sys/class/net |
| 18:39.43 | enouf | Skapare: no |
| 18:39.53 | stew | t3d: thats the entire routing table? and what's the entry that you think shouldn't be there? |
| 18:39.57 | enouf | !tell Skapare -about rcconf |
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| 18:40.14 | Skapare | enouf: the /etc/rc[0-6].d/README files say so ... the point is SOME packages do it ... and SOME do not |
| 18:40.17 | t3d | arp: 192.168.1.1 (incomplete) eth1 |
| 18:40.21 | enouf | Skapare: basically SNN and KNN |
| 18:40.26 | enouf | where NN is the number |
| 18:40.43 | stew | t3d: what command gave you that output? |
| 18:40.44 | Skapare | enouf: if NN is 20 for S, what should NN be for K ? |
| 18:40.45 | enouf | Skapare: what? no it does not |
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| 18:40.52 | t3d | stack: arp |
| 18:40.59 | t3d | sorry stack i meant stew |
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| 18:41.15 | t3d | ls /sys/class/net/ outputs: eth1 lo usb0 |
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| 18:41.48 | stew | t3d: and you got these routes from dhcpcd? |
| 18:41.48 | enouf | Skapare: it depends - AFAICT there is no exact number to give it, however, man update-rc.d mentions 'defaults' as using S20 when adding under certain circumstances |
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| 18:42.23 | enouf | Skapare: it might also depend on which rc?.d/ you mean |
| 18:42.46 | t3d | stew: i dont know this, my initial question was, something like 'how do automatic route get created' |
| 18:42.57 | Skapare | enouf: the traditional way to number script links according to SYSV is what is described in the /etc/rc[0-6].d/README when Debian is installed |
| 18:42.57 | enouf | Skapare: don't forget about /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 18:43.03 | stew | t3d: can you show us your /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 18:43.19 | enouf | your [0-6] excludes rcS.d/ |
| 18:43.21 | stew | t3d: ( use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin ) |
| 18:43.29 | t3d | stew: thats hard, would have to copy it by hand since idont have terminal access atm |
| 18:43.51 | stew | t3d: how did you get the routing table? |
| 18:44.06 | t3d | i wrote it off by hand |
| 18:44.09 | nsadmin | t3d: btw, I liked how you edited the one line with the ls and its output to show us on one line |
| 18:44.11 | stew | t3d: from memory? |
| 18:44.13 | enouf | Skapare: it's not that simple - the rc{0,6,S}.d/ are different |
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| 18:44.30 | t3d | nsadmin: sarcasm? |
| 18:44.53 | simonrvn | nsadmin: um, what? |
| 18:44.57 | nsadmin | nono, I did like it (so you said ls something output so me th ing) |
| 18:45.02 | simonrvn | ls /sys/class/net |
| 18:45.02 | simonrvn | eth0 eth1 ifb0 ifb1 ipddp0 lo ppp0 sit0 teql0 |
| 18:45.13 | enouf | Skapare: find debconf2007/8 and a talk about "insserv" or a sysv discusssion - maight have been FOSDEM i saw it on |
| 18:45.35 | simonrvn | no hacking required ;) |
| 18:45.39 | t3d | nsadmin: :) ok |
| 18:45.42 | stew | t3d: well if you can't tell us what is in /etc/network/interfaces, we can't tell you how your routes are being created |
| 18:45.43 | Skapare | enouf: I'm not asking about rcS.d ... I'm asking about the numbering relationships within ... OK include S ... /etc/rc[0-6S].d ... still same question ... does Debian use the original SYSV numbering scheme as stated in the /etc/rc[0-6S].d/README files, or does it use the inverse SYSV scheme as created by SCO ? |
| 18:45.51 | nsadmin | simonrvn: he actually bothered to edit it so that the command and its output was on one irc line |
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| 18:46.02 | cousteau | nice! the package works now |
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| 18:46.09 | enouf | Skapare: IIRC, the discussion was presented via the debian sysv init maintainer |
| 18:46.14 | cousteau | at least it works on a LiveCD |
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| 18:46.25 | simonrvn | oh, that's just judicious use of pasting :) |
| 18:46.34 | enouf | Skapare: i cannot answer that |
| 18:46.37 | nsadmin | it's been more than a decade since I saw that last |
| 18:46.46 | Skapare | enouf: so it's a mixed up system with some packages working one way, and other packages another way? |
| 18:46.51 | t3d | stew: hmm, so they get created in /etc/network/interfaces? so if i clear that (and only use the guitool) then i should only have the one routing in the table? |
| 18:46.59 | enouf | Skapare: might want to ask on a debian-devel or related mailing list |
| 18:47.08 | simonrvn | route |
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| 18:47.20 | enouf | Skapare: i don't know for sure, either way |
| 18:47.26 | stew | t3d: i don't know, what's in there now? |
| 18:47.37 | Skapare | enouf: if you are a package maintainer for a package that needs to insert rc scripts, and needs to make some S and some K by default, which numbering scheme would you use (the package does appear to specify the initial numbers) |
| 18:47.41 | stew | t3d: do you thik you shouldn't have both of the routes you typed? |
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| 18:48.07 | enouf | Skapare: pkg maintainers use update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d |
| 18:48.08 | t3d | stew: stuff for the usb0 connection. its down unless i plug it in, so i assumed it would not create routings unless i connect it to the usb cable |
| 18:48.13 | nsadmin | Skapare: look at update-rc.d |
| 18:48.34 | stew | t3d: there wan't anything in your routing table for the usb0 connection |
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| 18:48.52 | stew | t3d: or are you saying that there should have been? |
| 18:48.52 | Skapare | looks FOR update-rc.d |
| 18:49.12 | nsadmin | there are already 1319 pythons?! |
| 18:49.13 | enouf | Skapare: it's explained better in the video i told you to search for |
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| 18:49.49 | Droggelbecher | hi |
| 18:49.53 | Droggelbecher | im new here |
| 18:49.54 | t3d | stew: im saying that one of the routes in the table are causing the trafic go somewhere else (perhaps the usb0) and should really be going to 192.168.1.1 (my gateway) so that i can get/send packets from/to the "internet" |
| 18:50.07 | enouf | and even a pkg such as bootchart{d} might help you as well as insserv |
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| 18:50.18 | stew | t3d: show us your /etc/network/interfaces and the output of "route -n" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 18:50.47 | nsadmin | t3d: can you ssh into the machine? |
| 18:50.50 | clyphox | ok so how can i get a complete list of installed packages? (CLI) |
| 18:50.52 | kaiten4 | how would i debootstrap squeeze? |
| 18:50.53 | martianlobster | could someone remind me, what is the name of that program, which I can use to cut a huge file, into much smaller pieces? |
| 18:51.03 | t3d | nsadmin: not atm due to the routing tables :/ |
| 18:51.04 | Droggelbecher | hey guys |
| 18:51.05 | enouf | split |
| 18:51.06 | nsadmin | cut! |
| 18:51.08 | clyphox | martianlobster: split |
| 18:51.09 | sebo | s.a |
| 18:51.15 | nsadmin | oh, split :) |
| 18:51.18 | martianlobster | thanks guys |
| 18:51.22 | Skapare | enouf: any documents available instead of videos? searches can't search inside videos very well |
| 18:51.24 | cousteau | hoz? |
| 18:51.24 | nsadmin | cut is something else |
| 18:51.26 | stew | clyphox: aptitude search -F%p '~i' |
| 18:51.28 | simonrvn | clyphox: dpkg -l | grep '^.i' |
| 18:51.32 | cousteau | (hacha open zource) |
| 18:51.38 | clyphox | ty |
| 18:51.58 | simonrvn | stew: mr fancy aptitude user ;) |
| 18:52.00 | cousteau | very helpful when you need to open hacha'ed files |
| 18:52.09 | Skapare | enouf: sounds like something that should have its own page on debian.org |
| 18:52.11 | enouf | Skapare: videos are made as a form of comm .. if you cannot see/watch/listen, then perhaps another medium might be avail |
| 18:52.14 | Droggelbecher | can anyone help me with my debian problems please |
| 18:52.25 | nsadmin | Skapare: there's the packaging manual and all its friends at www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 18:52.32 | stew | Droggelbecher: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 18:52.43 | Droggelbecher | here is the forums link : http://tinyurl.com/d5t7lb |
| 18:52.49 | Skapare | enouf: I can view if I can download the video ... but I cannot do an in-context search |
| 18:53.19 | enouf | Skapare: 30min - 1 hour vids are in context - all of it |
| 18:53.31 | clyphox | aptitude is cli now? lol |
| 18:53.34 | clyphox | i didn't know |
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| 18:53.37 | simonrvn | Preview of TinyURL.com/d5t7lb http://gnarfburg.myminicity.com/ |
| 18:53.38 | enouf | Skapare: shall i try and find the exact one? |
| 18:53.44 | Skapare | enouf: what do you mean? there's a document transcript of the video? |
| 18:53.49 | simonrvn | stew: ^^ |
| 18:53.52 | nsadmin | Droggelbecher: that doesn't seem to resolve to a forum posting |
| 18:53.54 | enouf | Skapare: you seem semi-arrogant - not worth my time though |
| 18:54.26 | Skapare | enouf: you don't need to do the search ... I just need to know what keywords ARE searchable for it ... the CONTENTS of video isn't easy to search |
| 18:54.28 | simonrvn | won't render in a text browser with no JS |
| 18:54.39 | enouf | Skapare: forget it - use Windows |
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| 18:54.43 | enouf | i'm done |
| 18:54.44 | clyphox | simonrvn: lol |
| 18:55.03 | simonrvn | clyphox: that's how i check potential spam sites |
| 18:55.21 | clyphox | w3m script? |
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| 18:55.31 | simonrvn | just plain w3m :) |
| 18:55.32 | Skapare | enouf: I'm not arrogant ... but I don't understand what you mean by searching for a video in context ... searches are by things like words ... google has NOT transcribed very many videos very well |
| 18:55.49 | Skapare | enouf: well thank you for trying ... apparently you didn't understand |
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| 18:56.21 | nsadmin | Skapare: maybe you can't search IN a video... but you can usually search FOR a video |
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| 18:57.15 | simonrvn | clyphox: you can also use something like links2 and choose which JS scripts to run |
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| 18:57.33 | Skapare | nsadmin: sure, if some OTHER text ELSEWHERE is searchable ... but then, that's not the video ... a title, maybe ... but what is the title? I don't know |
| 18:57.41 | simonrvn | or ff with noscript, turn off cookies, etc. |
| 18:57.41 | Skapare | enouf: in the mean time, when you see people giving video presentations on some subject, tell them to also write a paper in an open format |
| 18:57.44 | launchh | Hi all, I remove xorg and xserver-xorg on my computer, is there a metapackage to remove everything that came when you choose GUI during the installer |
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| 18:58.28 | Spec | Is there any downsides to using apt-mirror to mirror a repository instead of ftpsync? |
| 18:58.34 | enouf | Skapare: debconf200? is a very nice thing to have available - maybe you'd like to transcribe for us? |
| 18:58.35 | launchh | I mean during the installation you can choose what your pc will be, a server, etc... what is the name of the package downloaded when we choose GUI |
| 18:59.04 | enouf | Skapare: maybe it's been done - i never bothered to look |
| 18:59.08 | simonrvn | launchh: meta packages only install things, they don't remove the thing they install, though they makr them as auto-installed IIRC, with apt-get / aptitude. oh, that's tasksel |
| 18:59.14 | clyphox | enouf: u know i think i know why tarballs are so sparse |
| 18:59.16 | Skapare | enouf: no thanks ... I have no interest in transcribing a video |
| 18:59.18 | simonrvn | things* |
| 18:59.28 | clyphox | enouf: that debootstrap is pretty cool |
| 18:59.31 | ilaiho | launchh: do you want to use graphical installer? |
| 18:59.38 | enouf | clyphox: yes .. it is ;-) |
| 18:59.39 | ilaiho | launchh: or install a debian system with gui? |
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| 18:59.51 | Skapare | enouf: so I should google for "debian init scripts have inconsistent numbering" ? |
| 19:00.00 | launchh | simonrvn so i can remove with tasksel? |
| 19:00.14 | enouf | Skapare: i gave you exacting search terms you could use to quickly find it ... |
| 19:00.17 | launchh | ilaiho i choose the second option you said but now i want to remove it |
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| 19:00.43 | ilaiho | launchh: tasksel remove desktop |
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| 19:00.48 | ilaiho | if you have gnome |
| 19:00.49 | enouf | Skapare: btw - what is SCO? |
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| 19:01.26 | Ace2017_- | hi all |
| 19:01.26 | Skapare | enouf: some evil corporation that (used to?) make a Unix clone OS |
| 19:01.38 | Ace2017_- | trying to compile stuff but it won't find includes in /opt/ |
| 19:01.47 | Skapare | enouf: I've had occaision to work on some of their systems ... what a mess they were |
| 19:01.53 | enouf | ok, so why would you mention it earlier? Skapare ? |
| 19:02.03 | ilaiho | enouf: SCO is an almost-defunct Unix company which has sued some Linux-releated companies |
| 19:02.10 | enouf | i see - like windows - you're all lost |
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| 19:02.18 | Skapare | enouf: because SCO completely reversed the SYSV standard |
| 19:02.26 | module000 | Ace2017_-: tell gcc to include /opt/ as well |
| 19:02.27 | enouf | ilaiho: hush hon ;-) |
| 19:02.29 | Ace2017_- | when i specify CC="-I/opt -L/opt" so my includes and lib are found but then it stops working: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 19:02.34 | ukatan | hey, I'm having a problem with iproute. I have a router and several client machines connected to it. the clients can see the router but cannot ping each other |
| 19:02.38 | ukatan | what might be causing this? |
| 19:02.40 | module000 | Ace2017_-: or explicitly #include them if you are writing the code yoruself |
| 19:02.43 | Skapare | enouf: and a few others, like HP, tried to adopt that |
| 19:02.51 | Ace2017_- | module000: did i do it the correct way? |
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| 19:03.38 | tarzeau | hello |
| 19:03.46 | module000 | Ace2017_-: yes, you included /opt correctly, but that error implies you can't "gcc mycode -o myexecutable" |
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| 19:05.00 | Ace2017_- | module000: but it works if i leave CC="" out and it says checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out and continues the configure |
| 19:05.29 | enouf | Skapare: "the world is backwards" ever hear that? |
| 19:05.45 | Skapare | enouf: in many contexts, yes I have |
| 19:05.45 | luckylucy | anyone in here running a firewall / dhcp / dns server? |
| 19:05.48 | module000 | Ace2017_-: hrm, sec looking at man pages...making sure -L is for libs and not linker |
| 19:05.49 | enouf | tarzeau: yo yo ma! :-) |
| 19:05.56 | Ace2017_- | module000: it shows checking for gcc... gcc rather than checking for gcc... gcc -L... -I... |
| 19:05.59 | enouf | tarzeau: got a links2 handy? |
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| 19:06.10 | tarzeau | enouf: no, i'm on mac os x. i wish i had a nethack handy |
| 19:06.13 | enouf | Skapare: same here mi amigo |
| 19:06.21 | enouf | tarzeau: grah |
| 19:06.24 | tarzeau | enouf: but the morons distribute it as a .sit bullshit file |
| 19:06.33 | enouf | o m g ! |
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| 19:06.42 | enouf | stuffit! |
| 19:07.00 | tarzeau | uses telnet nethack.alt.org now |
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| 19:07.28 | Skapare | enouf: I was trying to figure out which scheme Debian _really_ uses ... given that there is inconsistency between scripts, and the README files describe a scheme many packages do not adhere to ... maybe it is the case that the README files are no longer up to date and are in error about Debian having adopted a more complex scheme |
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| 19:08.09 | Skapare | enouf: I was looking for something official on debian.org ... cannot find anything but the original README files |
| 19:08.13 | module000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.14 | module000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.14 | module000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.14 | module000 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:08.21 | enouf | Skapare: i mentioned it's a "complicated" issue .. for whatever reasons |
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| 19:08.49 | enouf | Skapare: i also hope this will be clarified too - it causes ME frustration as well |
| 19:08.54 | Skapare | enouf: and the only official "document" is a presentation recorded into a video |
| 19:08.57 | enouf | i'm sure as it does many others |
| 19:09.03 | enouf | no |
| 19:09.04 | enouf | ! |
| 19:09.11 | enouf | that's NOT what i said! |
| 19:09.16 | module000 | Ace2017_-: http://tinyurl.com/cq4u3b shows your scenario, they pass the paths slightly differently, maybe something in it you will find useful |
| 19:09.26 | stew | Skapare: what exactly are you trying to figure out? |
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| 19:09.43 | Skapare | enouf: no ... you didn't say "only" ... I concluded that ... maybe its just correct that is the only thing you are aware of specifically |
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| 19:09.56 | enouf | i said it's best explained (in terms i could understand) from seeing the Maintainer talk about the ups/downs/issues ! |
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| 19:11.05 | Skapare | stew: I am trying to figure out whether Debian numbers 'K' init script links in REVERSE (e.g. 100-NN) if their 'S' init script link equivalents ... or just numbers them the same ... it APPEARS individual packages make their own choices, or something |
| 19:11.15 | Skapare | s/if/of/ |
| 19:11.33 | stew | Skapare: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-sysvinit ; use the default, or ask the sysvinit maintainer |
| 19:12.01 | Skapare | stew: if you have S30foo -> ../init.d/foo ... should the K equivalent be K30foo or K70foo ? |
| 19:12.23 | enouf | Skapare: anopther thing i could mention is to look at how rcconf , and sysv-rc-init actually go about doing their "thing" but you seem to ignore all suggestions i make |
| 19:12.38 | launchh | ilaiho thanks a lot |
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| 19:12.59 | ilaiho | launchh: no problem |
| 19:13.01 | stew | Skapare: there isn't a simple rule |
| 19:13.20 | enouf | Skapare: typically IIRC, yes, the opposite subtracted from 100 shou;ld be used inversely |
| 19:14.01 | enouf | Skapare: however - the rc0,6,S scripts also have KNN scripts which never run at all .,.. |
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| 19:14.50 | Skapare | enouf: so you are saying what is actually in the /etc/rc*.d/README files ... right? |
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| 19:15.39 | stew | Skapare: what do you mean by "K equivalent"? |
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| 19:16.09 | enouf | Skapare: not to mention ; if one does "runlevel" after a normal boot into GUI, one sees 'N 2', but then "telinit 1 && telinit 2" and one then sees "S 2" as output from runlevel - HOWEVER the rcS.d scripts were never re-run |
| 19:16.49 | enouf | Skapare: it's just not that "s i m p l e" AFAICT |
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| 19:17.21 | Skapare | stew: in an rc[0-6S].d directory, a symlink is named like SNNfoo or KNNfoo ... S if the service is to run, K if not ... (sorry if I am saying what you already know) ... by "K equivalent" I am referring to replacing an S-link with a K-link for a given service |
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| 19:17.36 | Ace2017_- | module000: i was using CC="-Wall -I/usr/include -L/usr/lib" i needed CC="gcc -Wall -I/usr/include -L/usr/lib" it was all about the gcc |
| 19:17.59 | jelly-hme | Skapare: do you need the service not to run at all, by default? |
| 19:18.00 | module000 | Ace2017_-: I'm sorry, I assumed you were gcc'ing |
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| 19:18.27 | Skapare | enouf: I'm actually not addressing the rcS.d scripts right now ... which is why I originally omitted them when I asked earlier (when you pointed out the omission) |
| 19:18.33 | jelly-hme | Skapare: K* is not for "not run", it's for explicitely stopping the service |
| 19:18.55 | stew | Skapare: so you installed a package that created a /etc/rc2.d/SNN symlink, and you want to now disable it? |
| 19:18.58 | Ace2017_- | not your fault i should have realised earlier when i wondered about CC=gcc-4.1 for installing nvidia drivers |
| 19:19.03 | Skapare | jelly-hme: action for effect ... so? |
| 19:19.07 | enouf | Skapare: BUT you mention 0-6 and you cannot do so without mentioning/including the S dir/ IMHO |
| 19:19.13 | Skapare | stew: no |
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| 19:19.18 | DanDare | Please, im listening to people doing hard criticism about Debian´s apache installation. I want to know from soneone else more experienced if i can follow those to setup apache on Debian: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DebianDeb0rkification . Im using Etch |
| 19:19.21 | enouf | Skapare: the 0 and 6 are special too |
| 19:19.25 | stew | Skapare: why are you renaming an S link to K then? |
| 19:19.42 | jelly-hme | Skapare: so, do you habitually switch between different runlevels? |
| 19:20.06 | Skapare | stew: I installed many packages and found some did it one way and some did it another way ... and I am wanting to know why ... to figure out if some special scripts I want to put in (not part of packages) need to be one way or the other way |
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| 19:20.15 | DanDare | It says among other things "There's one marvelous attribute of Debian's configuration: the introduction of a default virtual host, and scripts to automate the addition/removal of sites." |
| 19:20.33 | stew | Skapare: use the defaults, i mean "update-rc.d name defaults" |
| 19:20.40 | kaiten4 | how do I install squeeze with debootstrap from an etch host? |
| 19:20.54 | enouf | Skapare: i've been trying to tell you how 0,6,S IF any should be associated with each other - perhaps 1-5 then also - but you can't lump 0 and 6 into 1-5 without mentioning S IMHO |
| 19:20.57 | Skapare | enouf: and on my non-Debian machines, run level 7 is also special ... and I may even add it to Debian some day |
| 19:20.58 | DanDare | "This configuration is overly verbose, complex, and unnecessary. Instead of pointing out every configuration error in it, I will rewrite it from scratch: In apache2.conf change:" Should i follow ? |
| 19:21.03 | stew | Skapare: the reson to stray from the defaults is when you have dependencies on other init scripts |
| 19:21.09 | enouf | Skapare: my amp goes to ELEVEN! |
| 19:21.33 | Skapare | enouf: ooh ... OK ... that could be interesting |
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| 19:21.36 | enouf | knows that's a winner ;-) |
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| 19:22.21 | kaiten4 | should i use cdeboostrap over debootstrap |
| 19:22.42 | stew | kaiten4: it shouldn't make a big difference in most cases |
| 19:22.48 | kaiten4 | having a hard time installing from host system to virgin filesystem |
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| 19:23.18 | stew | kaiten4: what is wrong? |
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| 19:23.37 | kaiten4 | debian:/home/user# debootstrap squeeze /mnt/root/ |
| 19:23.37 | kaiten4 | E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/squeeze |
| 19:23.46 | Skapare | stew: will update-rc.d understand a script I manually add to the system ... that isn't part of a package? |
| 19:24.00 | stew | kaiten4: what version of debootstrap? |
| 19:24.01 | enouf | Squarism: see |
| 19:24.06 | module000 | Squarism: to act as a proxy? or utilize one? |
| 19:24.07 | stew | Skapare: update-rc.d doesn't know anything about packages |
| 19:24.12 | enouf | Skapare: see /etc/init.d/skeleton ? |
| 19:24.22 | enouf | seen* |
| 19:24.29 | Squarism | modulo: Act as a proxy server |
| 19:24.39 | Skapare | enouf: I'll look after I finish "man update-rc.d" |
| 19:24.45 | kaiten4 | -v isn't working. it's whatever latest from etch |
| 19:25.03 | module000 | Squarism: besides using SSH forwarding? |
| 19:25.07 | stew | kaiten4: the one from etch wouldn't know about squeeze since sqeueze didn't exist when etch was frozen |
| 19:26.01 | Squarism | modulo: Im not to deep into the details but I want socks4 or 5 i assume.. the most secure preferably... |
| 19:26.02 | stew | kaiten4: i'd recommend grabbin gwhatever is the latest from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap |
| 19:26.10 | jelly-hme | DanDare: those changes are mostly sane; I personally prefer keeping separate logs for each vhost |
| 19:26.23 | kaiten4 | How do I get a script for it? (should this be an issue? I mean if I specify testing it should just install it, regardless of testings new name) |
| 19:26.32 | kaiten4 | Ok. |
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| 19:26.51 | module000 | Squarism: use SSH and PuTTY on your client. PuTTY will create a SSH-encrypted tunnel useable by any application that supports SOCKS |
| 19:27.03 | DanDare | ok jelly-hme, aplying those changes i am still able to have a default scheme like http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/207 ? |
| 19:27.14 | enouf | module000: SOCKS4 or SOCKS5? |
| 19:27.33 | Squarism | modulo: oh okey |
| 19:27.35 | Skapare | enouf: BTW, I really do seriously appreciate the help. Sorry if I come across as arrogant. I don't have much experience with Debian, which "hurts" because I have a LOT with other systems like Slackware, Solaris, OpenBSD, and a lot of embedded systems, including an init system I wrote entirely from scratch (not of either BSD or SYSV style) |
| 19:27.51 | kaiten4 | Thanks, it worked. |
| 19:28.06 | module000 | enouf: i'm not sure which version |
| 19:28.08 | Squarism | ill try it.. already have pageant and stuff set up |
| 19:28.14 | Skapare | enouf: I'm trying to come up to speed with Debian WITH in-depth knowledge, under a hard deadline of Sunday |
| 19:28.30 | enouf | Skapare: i can tell you are frustrated - and you touched upon anissue that debian is currectly struggling with, IMHO, and tried my best to try and help is all .. no worries |
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| 19:28.59 | jelly-hme | DanDare: yes, afaict. That's what "while preserving the various automations they provide." means |
| 19:29.00 | kaiten4 | Is Debian doing a regular release cycle? Just a rumor? |
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| 19:29.16 | Skapare | enouf: and I bet there are some proposing a purely dependency based (like make) init system as a replacement |
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| 19:29.36 | enouf | Skapare: i like nothing but "hard and fast" rules just as much as you might - it just isn't that simple .. unfortunately - i mean look at the firmware issues and such .. ugh |
| 19:29.46 | DanDare | jelly-hme, ok sorry. and thanks |
| 19:30.27 | enouf | Skapare: note; apt-cache show file-rc ;-) |
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| 19:30.48 | jelly-hme | DanDare: that's just my reading of the setup the page proposes; I haven't actually tried it. |
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| 19:31.05 | Skapare | enouf: yeah, I do like to at least be able to "see" exactly what will happen ... boot time is a critical component for how little it gets used ... especially when the servers are 2000 km away and the hardware admin is hard to reach |
| 19:31.10 | enouf | s14ck: and debian has had a /etc/rc.local/ and /etc/init.d/S99rc.local for sometime now ;-) |
| 19:31.12 | DanDare | ok jelly-hme |
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| 19:33.03 | abrotman | kaiten4: that's a dirty rumor! |
| 19:33.03 | Skapare | enouf: interesting package ... maybe some day (I'm going to learn more Debian, including packaging, eventually) I can try the scheme I invented |
| 19:33.26 | enouf | Skapare: that file i mentioned should tell you much about what's expected from an init.d/ compliant script |
| 19:33.37 | enouf | Skapare: sure |
| 19:33.51 | module000 | Skapare: for init.d compliant scripts...copying an existing one works well also ;] |
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| 19:34.16 | Skapare | enouf: roughly described, my scheme has ONE directory of scripts, and the scripts are named NNN.XXXXX.name ... where NNN is the order, and XXXXX lists run level digits (limited to 0-9 ... sorry for no run level 10 or 11) |
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| 19:34.28 | Ace2017_- | is this just a waning or is it telling me to do it now before i compile other things that may depend on this? http://pastebin.com/d747a0728 |
| 19:34.28 | enouf | Skapare: it's funny how a pkg like "rcconf" keeps a similar type db when one makes changes (in /var/ somewhere) |
| 19:34.47 | Skapare | enouf: no links ... separate file for each service ... manipulated by renaming ... disabling can also be done by chmod |
| 19:35.12 | enouf | Skapare: i don't even know how the sysv init system parses these files |
| 19:35.16 | kaiten4 | is it safe to install the whole desktop from chroot, or should I just boot into the new system? |
| 19:35.21 | Skapare | enouf: but my scheme only provides for runing the shutdowns in reverse of NNN |
| 19:35.40 | module000 | Ace2017_-: it's telling you to do it now unless you want the compiling to fail =) |
| 19:35.43 | enouf | Skapare: which should make sense .. however .. ;-) |
| 19:35.47 | dsl_ | hi all .. whats a good way to find all files on a external hd with *.doc and move them to another external .. i have tried find /mnt/windows/ -name "*.doc" -exec cp "{}" /mnt/external \; no luck |
| 19:35.51 | enouf | if it were that simple ... or is it? |
| 19:36.15 | module000 | dsl_: are you doing it on a windows machine? |
| 19:36.20 | Ace2017_- | module000: but does it mean its not setup aready? because i think i did everything in the list but it still shows up |
| 19:36.21 | Skapare | enouf: it has worked fine for me (I run about 6 machines with that scheme) for the past 8 years |
| 19:36.42 | enouf | Skapare: do you take into account ACPI events, suspend, cpufreqd, i mean .. really .. i could list a million ....... |
| 19:36.44 | dsl_ | module000: im on al live cd and i have windows mounted |
| 19:37.11 | module000 | Ace2017_-: when you 'echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH' or LD_RUN_PATH does the path show up? |
| 19:37.12 | Skapare | enouf: but I don't have a whole lot of packages on those machines (none are Debian) ... I've yet to run into a case where "pure reverse for shutdown" fails ... but I cannot say there isn't one |
| 19:37.15 | enouf | Skapare: the variants, and kernel options and modules loaded, etc ... it's too many |
| 19:37.21 | Ace2017_- | module000: i did everything apart from add `-Wl,--rpath -Wl,LIBDIR' not sure why it has a , in there |
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| 19:37.49 | dsl_ | /dev/hda1 on /mnt/windows9x type vfat (rw) |
| 19:37.49 | dsl_ | /dev/sdb2 on /mnt/external type vfat (rw) |
| 19:38.11 | Skapare | enouf: no I don't take into account all those events ... and that could limit the usefulness of my scheme |
| 19:38.13 | enouf | Skapare: and can you confine the systems to within a certain amount of "years" of build/component manu dates? |
| 19:38.37 | Ace2017_- | module000: i use LD_LIBRARY_PATH LDFLAGS CFLAGS CPPFLAGS PKG_CONFIG_PATH PATH and XDG_DATA_DIRS before ./configure |
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| 19:38.44 | module000 | dsl_: I would use a bashier solution...like 'for strfile in $('find whatever...'); do cp $strfile new_path; done' |
| 19:38.44 | enouf | how about just Manu - or just BIOS vendor? |
| 19:39.05 | Skapare | enouf: I don't know that my scheme is a general solution ... probably isn't ... but it would be an interesting study case, I think |
| 19:39.06 | dsl_ | module000: can i get an example ? |
| 19:39.06 | module000 | Ace2017_-: sounds like you are ready to go then, and that was just a notice to remind you to add them to the path the first time? |
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| 19:39.16 | module000 | dsl_: yes, sec |
| 19:39.19 | enouf | Skapare: Debian looks to be all encompassing and all ARCh supporting as best it can AFAICT |
| 19:39.28 | enouf | not many other distros do that |
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| 19:39.50 | enouf | !ports |
| 19:39.50 | dpkg | hmm... ports is http://www.debian.org/ports/ or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc |
| 19:39.51 | Skapare | enouf: yes ... and so at the least, the default scheme in Debian needs to work for all those |
| 19:40.06 | enouf | now you're getting it .. |
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| 19:40.29 | Ace2017_- | module000: great, thanks |
| 19:40.57 | module000 | dsl_: rough example..should work: ' for i in $(find /mnt/windows9x -name "*.doc"); do cp "$i" /mnt/external; done ' |
| 19:41.10 | Skapare | enouf: but I would not want to rule out special case schemes for ... special case uses |
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| 19:41.58 | enouf | Skapare: i know - however - distros like ubuntu even offer RT kernels and such - maybe downstream from debian is more for you |
| 19:41.58 | Skapare | enouf: I made my scheme originally, based on Slackware, for a project that involved installing Slackware over a Redhat system ... to be done entirely via SSH connections with no physical access to the box |
| 19:42.25 | Skapare | enouf: the goal was to unfailingly bring the system up no matter what |
| 19:42.41 | enouf | Skapare: i'm interested - and it's commendable, just nnot here, not now for me |
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| 19:43.05 | Skapare | enouf: a lofty goal ... obviously some failures can prevent it ... but at least I was going for making sure all my install efforts would not kill it |
| 19:43.34 | dsl_ | module000: im doing this from the command line |
| 19:43.35 | enouf | indeed |
| 19:43.36 | Skapare | enouf: the project worked ... Slackware+myinits came up |
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| 19:43.57 | module000 | dsl_: yes, that's to be run on the command line...did it work properly? |
| 19:44.59 | enouf | Skapare: just note; i appeciate sincerity above all else , and talent and humility is a big plus when combined ;-) |
| 19:45.08 | Ace2017_- | module000: so when it says to add:-Wl,--rpath -Wl,LIBDIR i have to add -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/opt or exactly -Wl,--rpath -Wl,LIBDIR its strange since its the first time i've seen a "," in the flags |
| 19:45.18 | module000 | dsl_: if you add this, it will echo the files as it copies them also : ' for i in $(find /mnt/windows9x -name "*.doc"); do echo "copying $i..."; cp "$i" /mnt/external; done ' |
| 19:45.22 | Skapare | enouf: thanks for the help ... I've got enough new stuff to read for a little while, now |
| 19:45.25 | enouf | appreciate* even |
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| 19:45.59 | module000 | Ace2017_-: I'm not sure, I don't remember ever passing "," myself |
| 19:46.36 | module000 | Ace2017_-: I believe it's using "," to delimit the options you shoul dpass, not to imply actually using the "," in the option |
| 19:46.38 | enouf | Skapare: if i wasn't busy arguing my points with you, i could've already handed you the url to the video i referred to :-P |
| 19:46.44 | Skapare | enouf: I'm going to just focus on making the scripts I want to add in work with update-rc.d for now and see what happens |
| 19:46.49 | dsl_ | module000: i copied and pasted it to the command line and nothing |
| 19:46.50 | dsl_ | im a n00b |
| 19:46.56 | enouf | good option/choice |
| 19:47.07 | enouf | since update-rc.d is the maintainer staple |
| 19:47.15 | module000 | dsl_: did the 2nd one work better? the 2nd script i did does the same as teh first, except it actually tells you which file it's on, so you know it's doing something |
| 19:47.27 | enouf | Skapare: maybe /msg dpkg nmg |
| 19:47.30 | dsl_ | thats a script |
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| 19:47.40 | Skapare | enouf: hopefully it will know, or there will be a way I can tell it, how things need to be |
| 19:47.42 | module000 | dsl_: yes, BASH. it will run right at the command line |
| 19:47.43 | dsl_ | do you want me to save it and then run it like a sh command ? |
| 19:47.52 | module000 | dsl_: no, just type it all on one line and press enter |
| 19:48.09 | stew | Skapare: does your init script depend on other init scripts? |
| 19:48.29 | dsl_ | root@box:~# for i in $(find /mnt/windows9x -name "*.doc"); do echo "copying $i..."; cp "$i" /mnt/external; |
| 19:48.30 | dsl_ | > |
| 19:48.30 | Skapare | enouf: unfortunately ... when I put irssi on here to replace the ages old ircii I was using, I somehow broke the ability to receive private messgaes |
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| 19:48.50 | enouf | Skapare: i never sent a pm ... |
| 19:48.56 | dsl_ | ha i need the done |
| 19:49.01 | Skapare | stew: it shouldn't, but would work better if DNS is already up |
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| 19:49.12 | Skapare | stew: DNS resolver that is |
| 19:49.19 | enouf | Skapare: stew knows his stuff - consider diverting the convo with him |
| 19:49.21 | stew | Skapare: do you declare the proper LSB headres? |
| 19:49.23 | dsl_ | module000: since that is not a easy command to do how can i do reaserach on that string you gave me ? |
| 19:49.26 | Killabeez | anyone got java working on debian 64? |
| 19:49.42 | Skapare | enouf: the suggested "/msg dpkg nmg" sounds like I'd get a p/m answer, though |
| 19:49.48 | enouf | Skapare: "in channel" is always better IMHO |
| 19:49.48 | module000 | dsl_: a BASH tutorial will show you. i'll break it down somewhat for you |
| 19:49.58 | enouf | that way everyone sees/learns/reads |
| 19:49.59 | stew | Skapare: networking should be working after rcS, so if that is your only real dependency, use the defaults as it says in the policy manual |
| 19:50.02 | Ace2017_- | module000: found out what it does, very interesting, finally found why stuff i compile fail without LD_LIBRARY_PATH set at runtime: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2005-12/msg00017.html |
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| 19:50.10 | enouf | Skapare: oh - sorry |
| 19:50.17 | stew | Skapare: does stopping your script make other init scripts break? |
| 19:50.22 | enouf | !nmg |
| 19:50.22 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>. |
| 19:50.22 | module000 | dsl_: the "for i in $(find statement)"...tells it to look at the result of the "find" command 1 line at a time. those lines happen to be file matches...then it takes that line and says "cp $that_line /new/location" |
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| 19:50.28 | Skapare | stew: I follow the pattern of existing scripts ... so if they have them, I would |
| 19:51.07 | dsl_ | so i need to study bash scripting ? |
| 19:51.34 | stew | Skapare: they all *should* have them by now since it was a lenny release goal |
| 19:51.40 | module000 | dsl_: a little bit wouldn't help..but the one i made for you should do what you wanted, copy every "*.doc" match to /mnt/external |
| 19:51.49 | stew | Skapare: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 19:51.59 | module000 | dsl_: BASH is a very simple but useful language, it's comparable to QBASIC somewhat in it's syntax |
| 19:51.59 | Skapare | stew: shouldn't ... they are just for multiple instances of things like ssh, lighthttpd, and some monitoring programs of my own (only need to be shut down to unmap executable to allow umount of fs) |
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| 19:52.40 | stew | Skapare: if you don't depend on other init scripts in your runlevel, and others don't depend on you, use the defaults |
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| 19:53.41 | Skapare | stew: for the multiple ssh and lighthttpd, I was going to copy their numbers ... (this is where I started to see inconsistency) ... for my own programs, I hadn't figured it out, yet |
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| 19:54.12 | dsl_ | module000: i don't think anything is moving |
| 19:54.38 | module000 | dsl_: it's not showing anything to the screen, and you are using the *2nd* script i pasted? |
| 19:54.42 | Skapare | stew: I probably should start my monitor after lighthttpd is running, else I could see faux messages if web starts up slower |
| 19:54.52 | module000 | dsl_: the first one won't say anythignj on the screen, the 2nd one was fixed to show the files as it found them |
| 19:55.56 | dsl_ | for i in $(find /mnt/windows9x -name "*.doc"); do echo "copying $i..."; cp "$i" /mnt/external; done ' |
| 19:55.59 | dsl_ | that one ? |
| 19:56.02 | Skapare | stew: I do need to run the starts after the net is configed ... that's fairly obvious ... but this is starting web servers selected on the basis of what IPs the system is configured for |
| 19:56.12 | module000 | dsl_: yes |
| 19:56.35 | stew | Skapare: you can assume that the network is running before you enter your runlevel, its started during rcS |
| 19:56.37 | module000 | dsl_: take the ' off the end |
| 19:56.54 | foetus | good evening..sorry for yesterdays night, somebody tried to infiltrate my messenger program, so i was real enraged. |
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| 19:57.11 | foetus | shit happens :) |
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| 19:57.29 | Skapare | stew: the script will do "ip addr show" and parse out the addresses, pick the web configs to be run, and run only those for the IPs hosted ... not run others |
| 19:57.52 | narsil | how can i change the clock frequency at video card intel int. gma x3100 |
| 19:58.00 | narsil | on fedora 10 |
| 19:58.09 | Skapare | what is fedora? |
| 19:58.22 | narsil | ha ha ha |
| 19:58.30 | Skapare | is that some new package? |
| 19:58.46 | stew | narsil: wrong channel |
| 19:58.52 | narsil | no a system from redhat |
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| 19:59.00 | Skapare | W: Unable to locate package fedora |
| 19:59.23 | Skapare | oh well, I didn't really want to install it, anyway |
| 19:59.25 | narsil | i had try on all chanels but no felp |
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| 19:59.41 | stew | narsil: yes, this is the wrong channel for help with fedora, try #fedora |
| 19:59.42 | module000 | dsl_: did it work for you after you removed the ' from the end? |
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| 19:59.57 | Skapare | would guess #fedora ... try every hour or so ... someone might wake up some day |
| 20:00.13 | dsl_ | no |
| 20:00.16 | dsl_ | its still thinking |
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| 20:01.32 | foetus | fedora is redhats answer to opensource :) |
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| 20:01.41 | stew | fedora is offtopic |
| 20:01.43 | enouf | who cares |
| 20:02.10 | dsl_ | cplx: cannot create regular file `/mnt/external/script.doc': Read-only file system |
| 20:02.11 | dsl_ | copying /mnt/windows9x/windows/ShellNew/winword.doc... |
| 20:02.19 | Skapare | actually, debian ... or even gentoo ... would be a better answer to redhat |
| 20:02.24 | foetus | yes, lets mark it as offtopic. |
| 20:02.34 | enouf | !ot |
| 20:02.34 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 20:02.41 | Skapare | head out to do some reading |
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| 20:02.59 | Skapare | waves and says "thanks!" |
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| 20:03.45 | module000 | dsl_: you don't have write-access to your external hard-drive...is it NTFS? |
| 20:03.56 | module000 | dsl_: and are you doing it as root? |
| 20:04.34 | dsl_ | yes as root |
| 20:04.37 | ranix | module000: I have write access to your mom |
| 20:04.40 | dsl_ | my external is vfat |
| 20:04.41 | module000 | ranix: who doesn't |
| 20:04.51 | ranix | drumrolls. |
| 20:04.53 | s14ck | enouf, XD |
| 20:05.00 | dsl_ | /dev/sdb2 on /mnt/external type vfat (rw) |
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| 20:05.37 | module000 | dsl_: hrm... if it's mounted read-write it should write...the script is working though! =) |
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| 20:05.56 | dsl_ | drwxr--r-- 2 root root 16384 Mar 25 12:19 external |
| 20:06.17 | module000 | dsl_: try "touch /mnt/external/tmp_file" |
| 20:06.29 | module000 | dsl_: and pastebin the results of just typing "mount" |
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| 20:09.03 | dsl_ | ok |
| 20:09.19 | hi7de | hello , anyone can help me about pptpd? I got error 619 when I want to connect to server. |
| 20:09.26 | dsl_ | root@box:/mnt/external# touch blah.txt |
| 20:09.26 | dsl_ | touch: blah.txt: Read-only file system |
| 20:09.27 | dsl_ | ftw |
| 20:09.51 | dsl_ | how is it read only when mount says its RW |
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| 20:10.54 | dsl_ | let me mount and remount |
| 20:10.55 | module000 | dsl_: umount, and mount it again with rw options? |
| 20:11.00 | module000 | dsl_: just as i typed it, heh |
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| 20:11.19 | plb_ | hm how can I determine if my wireless is supported under 2.6.26? It works with 2.6.28 but with default lenny ifconfig doesn't show it |
| 20:11.26 | stew | dsl_: can you show us the output of "mount" ? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 20:11.51 | stew | if you just want to remount a filesystem as readwrite, there is no reason to umount it first, you can remount without umounting |
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| 20:14.44 | hi7de | I install pptpd on lenny and config it and when I want to connect to it , I got error 619 ! any help please? |
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| 20:17.42 | smacnay | What is the preferred (maybe only package) to deal with winmail.dat files? |
| 20:18.26 | abrotman | in IW? or just anywhere? |
| 20:18.29 | abrotman | !tnef |
| 20:18.30 | dpkg | tnef is probably Transport Neutral Encapsulation Format, a proprietary e-mail attachment format. Decoders/extractors available for Debian in the tnef, ytnef and ktnef packages. |
| 20:18.59 | smacnay | abrotman, thank you, sir |
| 20:19.08 | sepski | i would say coreutils but that would be evil |
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| 20:23.06 | smacnay | Does the default Gnome install utilize a ~/.mailcap file? |
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| 20:25.18 | spacepluk | hi, someone has an up to date testing? I've to work with the laptop this week and I'm a bit afraid of the gnome updates :P |
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| 20:27.07 | valdyn | smacnay: for what? |
| 20:27.14 | valdyn | smacnay: i know evolution does |
| 20:27.41 | smacnay | valdyn, for things like tnef - I see that my home dir does not seem to have a ~/.mailcap file at all. |
| 20:28.27 | Killabeez | what is a non gui email client? |
| 20:28.42 | valdyn | smacnay: its not there unless you make it |
| 20:28.53 | valdyn | smacnay: see /etc/mailcap |
| 20:28.55 | spacepluk | Killabeez: mutt? |
| 20:29.17 | smacnay | valdyn, I never got around to it so I now know why it isn't there. Thanks. |
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| 20:29.46 | smacnay | valdyn, I was under the incorrect assumption that it was created automagically on an install |
| 20:29.52 | Suzula1 | Hello, I'm installed Debian Lenny (5.0) and I got this error when gnome is starting "Internal error: failed to initialize HAL", I'was searching in google about this error and I dont found a solution for my problem, somebody know how I solve this issue? |
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| 20:30.45 | Suzula1 | in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 20:30.47 | Suzula1 | S12dbus |
| 20:30.49 | valdyn | smacnay: automatic creation of anything in ~/ on is either user creation or app startup |
| 20:30.57 | Suzula1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.00 | smacnay | valdyn, thanks |
| 20:31.07 | Suzula1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.10 | Suzula1 | ops |
| 20:31.12 | valdyn | smacnay: just installing cant legally do it |
| 20:31.14 | Suzula1 | S30gdm |
| 20:31.48 | amoe | Hello, freshly set up Lenny system here. I want to get mail from cron. At the moment as far as I can see cron output is just disappearing. What's the minimal/standard thing to do to get mail delivered to local users? |
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| 20:32.04 | valdyn | amoe: it goes to root by default |
| 20:32.12 | shaft0 | Where is the default location for TCL in lenny? |
| 20:32.15 | valdyn | amoe: if root isnt getting it either you probably have a broken mta |
| 20:32.17 | shaft0 | (when it's installed) |
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| 20:32.48 | amoe | valdyn: As far as I know I don't have an MTA yet. Do I need to install one? What's the most popular one? |
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| 20:33.02 | valdyn | amoe: you have a broken debian install if you dont have an mta |
| 20:33.14 | valdyn | amoe: cron cant be installed without an mta |
| 20:33.22 | amoe | valdyn: Which MTA comes with debian? |
| 20:33.33 | valdyn | amoe: exim4 should be installed and is the default |
| 20:33.56 | valdyn | amoe: pretty sure that being default also makes it the most popular one, see /msg dpkg popcon |
| 20:34.00 | Suzula1 | I got this error when I install some package: http://pastebin.com/m4bd67a7b |
| 20:34.19 | Melior | Hi. I had some troubles with cron yesterday. Editet it, but didn't work.. as user admin i type crontab -e and added: "30 6 * * * find /home/admin/temp -mtime +10 -type d -exec rm -rf {} \;" but it ain't running |
| 20:34.45 | valdyn | Melior: how do you know its not running? |
| 20:34.48 | amoe | valdyn: I did a standard Lenny install, and I have cron but neither Debian nor postfix... |
| 20:35.07 | amoe | sorry, exim4 not debian ;) |
| 20:35.08 | valdyn | amoe: you mean exim4 |
| 20:35.16 | valdyn | amoe: how do you know you dont have exim4? |
| 20:35.25 | amoe | aptitude show exim4 says not installed |
| 20:35.26 | Melior | valdyn > It don't delete old files. And have another job running and isn't executed. |
| 20:35.57 | valdyn | amoe: the exim4 package is a "metapackage to ease Exim MTA (v4) installation" |
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| 20:36.03 | valdyn | amoe: dpkg -l | grep exim4 |
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| 20:36.49 | valdyn | Melior: did you verify that your user did not get mails from cron ? |
| 20:36.55 | Suzula1 | I got this when I type "dpkg-reconfigure hal" |
| 20:36.58 | Suzula1 | debian:/etc/rc2.d# dpkg-reconfigure hal |
| 20:36.58 | Suzula1 | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: hal is broken or not fully installed |
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| 20:37.13 | Melior | valdyn> Get mails? |
| 20:37.24 | HardDisk_WP | hey... how do I add *only* http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/ to my debian apt path? |
| 20:37.25 | luckylucy | ok, i have dnsmasq logging, but it is only loging to and from the printer and to external sites (google.com) from interanl ip's (192.168.2.xxx) depending on the computer used. should those ip's be resolving in the logging? |
| 20:37.29 | valdyn | Melior: jsut what i said |
| 20:37.41 | HardDisk_WP | no, i'm not insane, i simply want a prepackaged 2.6.27 kernel for debian =) |
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| 20:37.51 | Melior | valdyn > i don't receive any mails? |
| 20:38.00 | valdyn | Melior: so your system is broken? |
| 20:38.10 | valdyn | !why an mta |
| 20:38.10 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of mysql). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. Ask me about <nullmailer>. |
| 20:38.42 | valdyn | Melior: log in as your user that has that crontab and see what you get when running the command "mail" |
| 20:39.07 | Melior | valdyn: mail -sh: mail: command not found |
| 20:39.08 | stew | HardDisk_WP: you can't add just that url to apt |
| 20:39.19 | stew | HardDisk_WP: why do you want a 2.6.27 kernel? |
| 20:39.36 | HardDisk_WP | stew, aircrack patch requires this one... |
| 20:39.37 | stew | HardDisk_WP: note that ubuntu doesn't provide prepackaged kernels for debian |
| 20:39.40 | valdyn | Melior: mutt installed? |
| 20:40.08 | HardDisk_WP | stew, i know, but some of the ubuntu packages can be reused - why not also the kernel images?^^ |
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| 20:40.28 | HardDisk_WP | besides that, it's a snapshotted VMWare vm, so nothing can go badly wrong =) |
| 20:40.31 | stew | HardDisk_WP: the ubuntu packages shouldn't be reused |
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| 20:40.38 | Melior | valdyn > No |
| 20:40.39 | valdyn | Melior: "cat /var/spool/mail/admin" does it too |
| 20:40.55 | HardDisk_WP | I know, but I dont really have the time now to manually compile a whole kernel.... |
| 20:40.58 | Melior | valdyn > cat /var/spool/mail/admin cat: /var/spool/mail/admin: No such file or directory |
| 20:41.20 | valdyn | Melior: use "valdyn:" your arrow breaks my and probably everyone else'S auto highlighting |
| 20:41.30 | stew | HardDisk_WP: if you aren't going to build a kernel, what good is a patch going to be? |
| 20:41.45 | stew | actually, nm, i don't care, i don't want to help with aircrack |
| 20:41.48 | Melior | valdyn: cat /var/spool/mail/admin cat: /var/spool/mail/admin: No such file or directory |
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| 20:41.54 | HardDisk_WP | the driver wont build on .26, that is the problem |
| 20:41.56 | valdyn | Melior: are you running debian? |
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| 20:42.01 | amoe | valdyn: sorry for the delay. "dpkg -l | grep exim4" prints nothing, yet I have cron installed.... |
| 20:42.11 | valdyn | amoe: are you running debian? |
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| 20:42.24 | amoe | yeah |
| 20:42.26 | Melior | valdyn: Debian lenny |
| 20:42.31 | amoe | valdyn: lenny |
| 20:42.33 | valdyn | amoe: uname -r |
| 20:42.46 | stew | amoe: what does this return: aptitude search '~Pmail-transport-agent~i' |
| 20:42.54 | amoe | valdyn: 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 20:43.08 | valdyn | amoe: i see that cron now only recommends an mta |
| 20:43.13 | valdyn | amoe: you should install one |
| 20:43.16 | amoe | stew: prints nothing |
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| 20:43.19 | valdyn | Melior: and you should install one too |
| 20:43.32 | amoe | valdyn: OK, I will install exim if it was default |
| 20:43.39 | valdyn | thats fucked up in my opinion |
| 20:43.41 | Melior | valdyn: mine is: 2.6.24.5. And what should i install? |
| 20:43.57 | amoe | valdyn: cheers :) |
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| 20:44.15 | valdyn | now one can argue that cron technically does not depend on an mta, but its rather hard to use if it cannot report on jobs |
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| 20:44.59 | valdyn | Melior: aptitude install exim4 exim4-daemon-light exim4-config |
| 20:45.08 | valdyn | amoe: ^^^ |
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| 20:45.20 | Melior | valdyn: thx |
| 20:45.41 | Melior | valdyn: should i wait for next cron job to see if it works |
| 20:46.04 | valdyn | i dont want to walk you thru a full mail setup, just set it to do local mail only when you get prompted, thats enough for cron |
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| 20:46.26 | valdyn | beside that you probably dont need more anyway |
| 20:46.33 | module000 | lots of tutorials for mail setups with exim |
| 20:46.39 | Melior | valdyn: How do i do that? |
| 20:46.50 | valdyn | Melior: you will get prompted |
| 20:46.55 | Melior | valdyn: and is that really needed? |
| 20:47.08 | valdyn | problem with tutorials is that they mostly suck |
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| 20:47.46 | wm4 | was xmms removed from Debian? |
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| 20:48.03 | Melior | valdyn: I'm not prompthed. Just installed it and that was it |
| 20:48.08 | valdyn | wm4: yea |
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| 20:48.18 | wm4 | d'oh |
| 20:48.21 | valdyn | Melior: ok, "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
| 20:48.29 | valdyn | wm4: try audacious |
| 20:48.47 | wm4 | I'm a bit shocked they remove software that's still in use |
| 20:48.47 | Melior | valdyn: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config -sh: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 20:48.57 | valdyn | Melior: as root |
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| 20:49.23 | Pnux | does anybody know about a good video edition software in the squeeze repositories? |
| 20:49.31 | Melior | valdyn: deliver locally only, not on a netork? |
| 20:50.11 | valdyn | Melior: yea |
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| 20:50.34 | spacepluk | which mailing lists should I subscribe if I use the testing branch? |
| 20:51.01 | xand | I'm having problems deleting files from a directory that has over 1TB in... the FS is ext3 and when I delete a file (around 2GB), rm instantly returns (usually takes a few seconds on big files), and df doesn't update the disk free space... ideas? there is only one hardlink to each file |
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| 20:51.05 | pobega | spacepluk: debian-user is fine, really. It's general Debian help. |
| 20:51.07 | xand | tried a "sync" |
| 20:51.27 | Melior | valdyn: I just entered the standart configs.. Hope that is right? |
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| 20:51.43 | valdyn | Melior: sure |
| 20:51.50 | Rienzilla | Hey. Is it possible to rename a network interface without rebooting the system? |
| 20:52.11 | spacepluk | pobega: thanks |
| 20:52.41 | xand | remounts it and it updates... silly thing |
| 20:52.44 | valdyn | Melior: install mailutils or mutt too, both provide an easy way to check local mail in their default config |
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| 20:54.12 | valdyn | Melior: the perfect setup would merge your local and your whatever other mail to the same place, but thats not needed |
| 20:54.13 | Melior | valdyn: apt-get mutt? |
| 20:54.23 | Melior | valdyn: apt-get install mutt? |
| 20:54.23 | valdyn | Melior: apt-get install mutt |
| 20:55.56 | Melior | valdyn: ok.. where do i see those messages? |
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| 20:55.56 | Pnux | aptitude > apt-get |
| 20:55.56 | valdyn | Melior: just run mutt, if you see no messages theres none yet |
| 20:56.03 | valdyn | Melior: and run mutt as the user admin if you want to see admin's mail |
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| 20:57.24 | valdyn | xand: the file is in use by something else |
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| 20:57.46 | xand | valdyn: they weren't, it was just being slow |
| 20:57.54 | xand | there was loads of them which haven't been accessed in months |
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| 21:04.44 | Melior | valdyn: Thanks is working.. Got a message with permissions error |
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| 21:05.36 | valdyn | Melior: btw, learn "2>&1 > /dev/null" if you want mails only on errors |
| 21:06.08 | valdyn | Melior: rather "> /dev/null" if you want mails only on errors |
| 21:06.25 | TauPan | hiho... can anybody recommend anything for having a laptop automatically adapt to different (network and other) environments? I've used "whereami" in the past, but it's a bit too fragile and fidgety for me. |
| 21:06.26 | valdyn | Melior: first one would cancels errors too |
| 21:06.38 | stew | valdyn: would it? |
| 21:06.55 | lazer | could anyone please tell how i can play dvd-videos under lenny? i think it`s a problem with css |
| 21:06.58 | valdyn | stew: yea |
| 21:07.14 | Melior | valdyn: I got the first one working. The delting script is just run once a day. So will look tomorrow. Thanks:D |
| 21:07.17 | stew | ">/dev/null 2>&1" would, but would "2>&1 >/dev/null" put errors on stdout? |
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| 21:07.59 | valdyn | stew: youre right, i got confused |
| 21:08.09 | valdyn | stew: so my first line was the good one |
| 21:08.39 | valdyn | Melior: ^^ |
| 21:08.58 | stew | valdyn: i always have to think about it like 3 times :) |
| 21:09.11 | stew | and i have to remember "its the one that seems wrong" |
| 21:09.38 | stew | but that scheme starts to fail when you've been doing it long enough that the wrong one starts seeming wrong |
| 21:10.14 | valdyn | stew: ive always use 2>&1 > /dev/null, obviously without thinking |
| 21:10.21 | valdyn | heh |
| 21:10.27 | rraindown_ | lazer, aptitude install libdvdcss2 |
| 21:11.17 | lazer | rraindown_: thx |
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| 21:17.19 | foetus | how can i cut the first line on grep? |
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| 21:22.14 | stew | foetus: so grep is producing ouptut, you just want to get rid of the first line of output? or something more complex? |
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| 21:24.34 | TauPan | foetus: I just found it in the manual of the tail command. |
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| 21:31.07 | commander_ | does anyone know what they think of Timevault? |
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| 21:32.53 | foetus | stew: moments later - yes, i have an output of two lines and need only the second. |
| 21:33.20 | foetus | stew: the first must be cutted. |
| 21:33.39 | dkr | tail -1 |
| 21:34.02 | stew | foetus: for "only the second one" use sed -n 2p ; for "delete the first one" use sed 1d ; for "only the last one" use tail -1 |
| 21:35.28 | foetus | stew: nice, thats what i call a helping line :), thanks, sed is the right one.. |
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| 21:41.46 | kenny__ | I need help with duplicity. Don't find a better irc channel. |
| 21:41.48 | kenny__ | I have written to the same duplicity archive from two different hosts. Now, when I restore the data, on each hosts the version is restored that came from this host. I expected that the latest version would be restore, that has been written to the archive. Can I get the expected behavior, resulting in identical data restored on both hosts? |
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| 21:42.12 | v4nelle | guys any good player for 1080p video? |
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| 21:52.13 | RRockon | G'day |
| 21:52.59 | RRockon | I'm currently messing around with a homebrew FTP server on debian, and I was wondering... regarding permissions... is 1 user and 1 group really the only things you can set permission for on a single file/folder? |
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| 21:54.06 | Spec | So I can use apt-get -o Dir::Etc::SourceList /path/to/newsources.list to override the default source list? |
| 21:54.18 | Loka | is it normal when i reboot using new kernel it says Loading, please wait... for ages... |
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| 21:54.29 | Loka | since like 2 minutes now |
| 21:54.39 | mib_7ieryd | Can i have the definition of nonfree software |
| 21:54.51 | RRockon | Say I wanted to grant 3 user groups different levels of access to the same file/folder... would that be possible? |
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| 21:55.58 | stew | RRockon: you'd have to use acls |
| 21:56.17 | stew | RRockon: you can't do that with standard unix permissions |
| 21:57.06 | Spec | RRockon: http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 21:57.10 | Spec | would probably be a good place to start reading. |
| 21:57.31 | foetus | sed works. what is the expression (or sign) for tab as an delimiter for cut? |
| 21:57.48 | RRockon | Spec: Thanks a lot! I'll look into that |
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| 21:58.28 | foetus | like -d'tabwhatever'.. |
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| 22:00.44 | ZX81 | hi all - how do I find the md5sum for the unhide binary (i.e. can someone do md5sum /usr/sbin/unhide for me) - I'm on lenny |
| 22:01.11 | ZX81 | shown up in rkhunter as having been installed since my .dat file was created and I didn't install it |
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| 22:03.05 | valdyn | ZX81: use debsums? |
| 22:03.06 | Spec | foetus: \t ? |
| 22:03.37 | ZX81 | valdyn: sweet cheers |
| 22:03.39 | valdyn | ZX81: which unhide? |
| 22:03.53 | ZX81 | heh yeah |
| 22:03.56 | valdyn | ZX81: theres not just one package providing this |
| 22:04.01 | ZX81 | seems to come with rkhunter I guess |
| 22:04.12 | enouf | foetus: man cut, man awk |
| 22:04.18 | ZX81 | Unhide 20080519 |
| 22:04.57 | valdyn | ZX81: unhide is in /usr/sbin/unhide-linux26 or /usr/sbin/unhide-posix or |
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| 22:05.03 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.07 | ZX81 | wierd |
| 22:05.13 | valdyn | ZX81: all 3 from the unhide package |
| 22:05.16 | ZX81 | which unhide |
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| 22:05.33 | valdyn | ZX81: ls -l /usr/sbin/unhide, thats a symlink |
| 22:05.34 | ZX81 | \usr/sbin/unhide |
| 22:05.39 | ZX81 | heh really |
| 22:05.50 | ZX81 | right you are |
| 22:05.57 | ZX81 | and debsums says the dest is fine |
| 22:06.01 | ZX81 | thanks for the help man |
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| 22:06.20 | foetus | Spec: lets prepare it..with \t.. |
| 22:06.49 | enouf | try |
| 22:07.08 | Spec | foetus: default for cut is tab though |
| 22:07.11 | enouf | try \n (stupid ergomaniac) |
| 22:07.36 | enouf | use whatever you like - even -d" " |
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| 22:08.07 | foetus | enouf: yes. you're right.. |
| 22:08.44 | kenny__ | I need help with duplicity. Don't find a better irc channel. |
| 22:08.44 | kenny__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.56 | enouf | see what awk '{ print$2 }' does |
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| 22:09.35 | enouf | awk -F"<define field separator>" |
| 22:09.39 | Spec | yeap |
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| 22:10.21 | Spec | echo -e moo1\\tmoo2\\tmoo3|awk -F "\t" {'print $2'} |
| 22:10.37 | Spec | although by default, awk does it fine, so you don't even need the -F. |
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| 22:11.41 | Ace2017_- | anyone running unstable having issues with inkscape/synaptic/gimp i get /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: cairo_surface_has_show_text_glyphs |
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| 22:13.38 | enouf | {'print $2'} <-is nothing short of fugly mate |
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| 22:14.04 | karsten | Is Debian better than DOS? |
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| 22:14.33 | Ace2017_- | karsten: yes |
| 22:14.45 | RRockon | lol |
| 22:14.52 | karsten | is relieved.... |
| 22:15.39 | enouf | karsten: is bash better than DOSkey /insert ? |
| 22:15.55 | karsten | enouf: No! *NOTHING* is better than DOSkey! |
| 22:15.57 | DarkUranium | what kind of a question is that... is Debian better than DOS... |
| 22:16.14 | enouf | karsten: spoken like a true redneck ;-0 |
| 22:16.22 | karsten | enouf: and desqview is teh best preemptive multitasking environment evar! |
| 22:16.32 | enouf | er redMONDneck :-P |
| 22:16.39 | DarkUranium | enouf: he must have studied recneck engineering :P |
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| 22:16.43 | DarkUranium | redneck* |
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| 22:16.46 | karsten | enouf: Them's fightin' words. |
| 22:16.58 | Ace2017_- | found the cause |
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| 22:17.15 | enouf | karsten: i'm in the m00d .. how about you? wanna take this outside sweety? :-P |
| 22:17.16 | Ace2017_- | i edited ld.so.conf it loaded older stuff which segfaulted :( |
| 22:17.19 | karsten | Ace2017_-: ... but lost the way? |
| 22:17.25 | m-1 | :) |
| 22:17.28 | karsten | enouf: *biff* |
| 22:17.33 | smartycheetah | http://youfindr.com/packs?id=26&title=micropaymentshttp://BidEgg.com a new auction site |
| 22:17.37 | Ace2017_- | is karsten a bot? |
| 22:17.50 | enouf | no, i am though |
| 22:17.51 | karsten | Ace2017_-: An incredibly well engineered one. |
| 22:18.04 | m-1 | has anyone tried to load debian to boot from a USB? |
| 22:18.07 | karsten | !ops smartycheetah spam |
| 22:18.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: smartycheetah spam |
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| 22:18.14 | Loka | why does dpkg-architecture says i run i386 while uname -a says 686 ??? |
| 22:18.34 | enouf | Loka: learn your ARCHes |
| 22:18.43 | enouf | Loka: /msg dpkg ports |
| 22:18.44 | m-1 | does any one know how to bood a linux from USB? |
| 22:19.01 | karsten | m-1: Google is your friend. |
| 22:19.07 | merlincorey | m-1: Google loves you! |
| 22:19.09 | m-1 | debian 5.0 from USB |
| 22:19.10 | enouf | !be a booding barbie |
| 22:19.10 | dpkg | Aww, booding is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 22:19.34 | enouf | !usb install |
| 22:19.34 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
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| 22:19.55 | karsten | goes through the tedious task of killing off konqueror sessions until there's actually some free RAM. |
| 22:20.08 | m-1 | wow thanks |
| 22:20.20 | merlincorey | karsten: sounds worse than firefox lols |
| 22:20.22 | enouf | comforts karsten in that enviable task, that has no happy ending |
| 22:20.33 | Ace2017_- | karsten: or you can upgrade the ram |
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| 22:21.06 | enouf | merlincorey: dialup speeds ala 1992 - on 15/2mbit cbale - can't get much worse than that |
| 22:21.09 | karsten | merlincorey: The nice thing is that konqueror can actually start multiple instances, so you don't lose everything you're doing so long as you can find the one offending instance. |
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| 22:21.31 | enouf | karsten: it always crashes and burns .. eventually |
| 22:21.32 | merlincorey | karsten: that's decent |
| 22:21.33 | karsten | merlincorey: 2GB should be enough for anybody |
| 22:21.39 | karsten | Ace2017_-: ^^ Mem: 2015036 1871104 143932 0 33568 87996 |
| 22:21.41 | merlincorey | karsten: no no we all need 256K |
| 22:21.48 | m-1 | thanks |
| 22:21.51 | enouf | 512MB .. don't even attempt it |
| 22:21.55 | m-1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.56 | Ace2017_- | or switch to a browser a better browser |
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| 22:22.06 | Ace2017_- | like firefox (dare i say it opera) |
| 22:22.10 | karsten | Ace2017_-: Sure, Can you name one? |
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| 22:22.33 | karsten | Ace2017_-: Firefox is actually more bloated and in general worse, IMO. I use both though, yeah, at the same time. |
| 22:22.36 | merlincorey | Ace2017_-: none of those are implicitly better in all ways |
| 22:22.46 | enouf | i use links2 -g .. but for internet shopping and webmail crap one needs this overlyBLOATED javashit and AJAX capable crap |
| 22:22.47 | merlincorey | Ace2017_-: firefox is better at plugins and modularity, possibly |
| 22:22.52 | Ace2017_- | but it uses less ram and won't crash as much, firefox is certainly more stable |
| 22:22.58 | merlincorey | that's a better assertion than "firefox and opera are bettar!" |
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| 22:23.20 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.22 | m-1 | firfox has the best pluggins available |
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| 22:23.25 | karsten | 18604 karsten 20 0 1008m 313m 10m D 13 15.9 207:09.52 konqueror |
| 22:23.28 | enouf | webdevs SUCK ASS .. period |
| 22:23.30 | tarzeau | firfox sucks |
| 22:23.32 | karsten | So, 2 GB to browsers right there. |
| 22:23.33 | Ace2017_- | karsten: what version? |
| 22:23.41 | Loka | enouf because my actual kernel is initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686 and when i compile new one with this command it gives initrd.img-2.6.29-zap-i386: export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --initrd kernel_image modules_image |
| 22:23.44 | valdyn | lets not count virtual memory |
| 22:23.52 | karsten | Ace2017_-: KDE 3.5, mozilla 3.0.7 |
| 22:23.59 | Ace2017_- | karsten: 3+ and minefield nightlies are perfect |
| 22:24.01 | karsten | Technically this particular box is Ubuntu. |
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| 22:24.16 | karsten | Ace2017_-: FF/Iceweasel? |
| 22:24.18 | Ace2017_- | ah that explains it |
| 22:24.22 | tarzeau | karsten: i'm upgrading a machine from 8 to 16 gb this week |
| 22:24.24 | karsten | has Lenny on the new box. |
| 22:24.31 | enouf | Loka: whoa .. what? that's a make-kpkg command |
| 22:24.33 | tarzeau | karsten: and we get one with 128 gb memory next week |
| 22:24.37 | karsten | tarzeau: Feh. I've had boxen with 256GB |
| 22:24.49 | tarzeau | karsten: of course 2 gb memory is hardly not enough |
| 22:25.00 | tarzeau | karsten: i alone need 8 gb, when i do hugin stuff |
| 22:25.03 | Loka | enouf i used the kp mantra from dpkg bot :) |
| 22:25.03 | karsten | That was at $PRIOR_GIG. Not sure what the ehavies are here. |
| 22:25.11 | tarzeau | karsten: i've had boxen with 8 mb memory |
| 22:25.13 | enouf | Loka: i missed your original post .. just scrolled back now |
| 22:25.16 | karsten | s/ehav/heav/ |
| 22:25.29 | tarzeau | karsten: OPENSTEP and NeXTSTEP were great. heck i had even machines with less. Amiga |
| 22:25.39 | Loka | "is it normal when i reboot using new kernel it says Loading, please wait... for ages..." was my question |
| 22:25.44 | enouf | Loka: obviously you goofed somewheree ... i'm not about to guess where |
| 22:25.54 | Loka | i suspected the i386 |
| 22:26.00 | enouf | no |
| 22:26.00 | Ace2017_- | tarzeau: i had 8mb with win95, it was slow, but with 32mb it was better but 90mhz couldn't do much |
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| 22:26.08 | Loka | umm |
| 22:26.16 | tarzeau | Ace2017_-: that's because microsoft windows scuked |
| 22:26.18 | enouf | Loka: i386 == 32bit x86 |
| 22:26.30 | enouf | Loka: amd64 == 64bit x86 |
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| 22:26.33 | tarzeau | Ace2017_-: anyone i know, that had amiga or nextstep/openstep understands |
| 22:26.46 | tarzeau | Ace2017_-: and mac os x just sucks, compared to openstep |
| 22:26.47 | Loka | all i did was this command then dpkg -i ../imageXXX.deb then reboot |
| 22:27.00 | tarzeau | Ace2017_-: likewise with any unix with x, or windows |
| 22:27.08 | f0ner00t | Hello I just did a apt-get install asterisk I want to remove these files. I already did a apt-get remove asterisk but there is left over files. Anybody have an idea how to remove these? |
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| 22:27.23 | enouf | Loka: well ., what are your boot requirements? |
| 22:27.25 | tarzeau | f0ner00t: manually :) |
| 22:27.29 | karsten | Anyone in huntsville Tx looking for a gig? |
| 22:27.31 | tarzeau | f0ner00t: did --purge ? |
| 22:27.35 | enouf | Loka: LVM? crypt? where's /boot?? |
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| 22:27.38 | Loka | my boot requirements? |
| 22:27.38 | karsten | $40.hr. |
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| 22:27.43 | enouf | 60! |
| 22:27.46 | tarzeau | f0ner00t: then there might be leftovers of users using software, and debhelper stuff |
| 22:27.49 | Loka | boot is /boot |
| 22:27.58 | enouf | karsten: i'll drive there for that ;-) |
| 22:27.59 | tarzeau | f0ner00t: debconf, not debhelper |
| 22:28.03 | f0ner00t | tarzeau: Nope.. Nobody is using it except me. |
| 22:28.20 | tarzeau | f0ner00t: just remove the fricking files, what's your problem. the command to remove files is rm |
| 22:28.28 | enouf | haha |
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| 22:28.37 | Herumor | hi |
| 22:28.42 | f0ner00t | tarzeau: Yes I know the rm command. They are spread all over the place. |
| 22:28.54 | enouf | karsten: got anything in the NYC metro area? ;-) |
| 22:28.54 | Herumor | i have a problem with my debian :s |
| 22:29.04 | tarzeau | f0ner00t: yeah like women put clothes everywhere and you pick them up one by one |
| 22:29.08 | tarzeau | f0ner00t: just do it |
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| 22:29.41 | tarzeau | f0ner00t: be glad that you don't have a BSD. they got binaris all over, even in /etc |
| 22:29.44 | Loka | enouf: oh and before the compile i actually answered lots of question and i pressed enter on all of them |
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| 22:30.03 | f0ner00t | Ok working on it. |
| 22:30.05 | karsten | enouf: No. Thousand Oaks, and Tx. Had something in NC a ways back. |
| 22:30.18 | Herumor | i install debian lenny without interface ... changinf lenny for sid in sources.list and apt update upgrade ... when i reboot debian cant acticated the swap so ... cant boot |
| 22:30.21 | karsten | enouf: Ping me your email, you might want to talk to these folks Or not. |
| 22:30.32 | jetscreamer | heh. never even got a -kbuild for 2.6.28 and now we have 2.6.29, sans kbuild |
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| 22:30.42 | jetscreamer | typical |
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| 22:31.00 | RRockon | Hmm, I get a strange error message when trying "setfacl -m d:group:groupname:rx dirname" it tells me "setfacl: dirname: Operation not supported" |
| 22:31.03 | karsten | Closing out browser tabs. All sorts of mischeif in there. http://www.godamongdirectors.com/scripts/princess.shtml |
| 22:31.04 | jetscreamer | !kbuild |
| 22:31.06 | Herumor | activated* |
| 22:31.14 | karsten | RRockon: What filesystem? |
| 22:31.22 | RRockon | ext3 |
| 22:31.27 | karsten | RRockon: acls are FS-dependent. |
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| 22:31.58 | karsten | RRockon: ... and I don't use them, they're a PITA to administer. |
| 22:32.15 | jetscreamer | hey can you compile kernels for debian under windows? :) |
| 22:32.22 | karsten | RRockon: May require a PAM config. |
| 22:32.28 | RRockon | PAM? |
| 22:32.31 | jetscreamer | i could remote kernel building |
| 22:32.38 | Ace2017_- | my firefox so far uses very little ram (900mb vmsize and 400 vmrss) |
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| 22:32.44 | RRockon | Heh, this is my first week admining a *nix box :D |
| 22:32.53 | RRockon | Adminning* |
| 22:32.55 | karsten | RRockon: man 5 acl |
| 22:32.58 | tarzeau | RRockon: you mean linux, debian? |
| 22:33.05 | karsten | RRockon: pluggable authentication modules |
| 22:33.13 | Herumor | hmm anyone cant help me ? |
| 22:33.17 | Herumor | can* |
| 22:33.18 | RRockon | tarzeau: yup |
| 22:33.19 | tarzeau | RRockon: call it linux, there's quite some difference to unix systems |
| 22:33.22 | karsten | RRockon: OK. WTF are you using ACLs for then? |
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| 22:33.48 | RRockon | karsten: providing more then 2 identities with different access to folders on an FTP server |
| 22:33.57 | karsten | tarzeau: I'd just say generally there's a lot of differences between Unices, and Linux isn't Unix. Unix is an early, primitive precursor to Linux. |
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| 22:34.12 | jetscreamer | Herumor: debian does not require swap to boot i boot w/o it at times |
| 22:34.13 | lolufail | hi |
| 22:34.20 | karsten | RRockon: Define a group, allow access privs to group, add both users to group. |
| 22:34.24 | lolufail | kvm vs xen vs vmware server? |
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| 22:34.38 | f0ner00t | Thank you! |
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| 22:34.42 | RRockon | karsten: That only works if they both need the same permissions |
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| 22:34.48 | tarzeau | karsten: depends which version of unix you mean, there exist modern and late ones |
| 22:34.48 | lolufail | I mainly want to separate stuff, i.e. apache, jdownloader, and suchl |
| 22:34.53 | RRockon | I need 3 entities to each have different access levels |
| 22:35.01 | RRockon | and that's not counting the "other" group |
| 22:35.19 | tarzeau | karsten: basically there's just many different unices around, and all have their quirks, and one i like a lot without X is georgous |
| 22:35.50 | jetscreamer | if there's no x how is is pretty |
| 22:36.02 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: nextstep had display postscript |
| 22:36.09 | jetscreamer | gorgeous i think |
| 22:36.14 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 22:36.15 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: see the screenshots section at http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 22:36.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 22:37.03 | karsten | tarzeau: You're taking life too seriously. |
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| 22:37.57 | jetscreamer | so if that's nox X(ish) what is it |
| 22:38.07 | karsten | RRockon: Your permission options are read, write, and execute. Generally you can define owner, group, and world with appropriate perms. Otherwise, maintain a couple of copies of the stuff in question, a working location (where it's writeable) and a release location (where it's not). |
| 22:38.09 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: display postscript? |
| 22:38.17 | karsten | RRockon: ... which becomes a version control situation. Use git. |
| 22:38.27 | jetscreamer | http://io.debian.net/~tar/gnustep/next/ |
| 22:38.59 | RRockon | so I have to devide the amount of data because the file system won't do what I want it to? |
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| 22:39.12 | RRockon | I'm not on Windows, this shouldn't be an issue :P |
| 22:39.33 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: these here are the better ones: http://gnu.ethz.ch/www.levenez.com/ |
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| 22:40.00 | karsten | RRockon: How large are the files? |
| 22:40.09 | RRockon | right now it's an empty folder |
| 22:40.10 | karsten | RRockon: Not modifying your published data is a Really Good Idea. |
| 22:40.11 | jetscreamer | that's the openstep one eh.. ok so if it's not X/xorg, what is it |
| 22:40.34 | karsten | RRockon: Well, multiplie copies of an empty *directory* (not folder) are pretty cheap. One disk block. |
| 22:40.36 | tarzeau | gnustep is basically the free software implementation of it. chess.app and bean.app are currently being ported to it (from openste/mac os x(cocoa)) |
| 22:40.40 | RRockon | hehe |
| 22:40.45 | tarzeau | karsten: you think so? |
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| 22:41.11 | tarzeau | karsten: life's too short, isn't it? if you knew me, i take it much less serious than anyone else in here |
| 22:41.12 | karsten | tarzeau: I'll bet the fram on it. |
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| 22:41.24 | RRockon | the point is, I have users that have write access and those that have read access. The writers can upload (because of some arbitrary reason) and the readers can read whatever the writers upload |
| 22:41.27 | jetscreamer | i'll bet his life on it |
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| 22:41.28 | karsten | tarzeau: Oh, that... yeah. |
| 22:41.40 | RRockon | and then there's the admin (me) who has full access |
| 22:41.42 | karsten | RRockon: Is there any reason to deny work read access? |
| 22:41.52 | karsten | s/work/world/ |
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| 22:42.27 | RRockon | well I don't want any of the other users using other parts of the ftp server poking around in this folder |
| 22:44.37 | RRockon | so, on the thread of ACL, does it work with ext3? Are there any other parameters I need to take into account? |
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| 22:46.10 | enouf | google man getfacl setfacl |
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| 22:46.44 | enouf | who knows, you want disk quotas and ulimits enforced too? |
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| 22:47.16 | RRockon | hmm, good thought, hadn't considered that yet |
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| 22:48.03 | enouf | might as well look at a VM solution or even a grsecurity patch |
| 22:48.47 | RRockon | VM as in Virtual Machine? |
| 22:48.53 | enouf | yep |
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| 22:49.12 | RRockon | I'm not exactly clear on how that would help... |
| 22:49.15 | enouf | kvm is best - then maybe xen, then others, depending |
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| 22:49.52 | enouf | RRockon: control - full access control - and if it fails you just restart your snapshot |
| 22:50.24 | kingsley | How do you configure "sensible-browser" to use a certain web browser, like iceweasel for example? |
| 22:50.38 | valdyn | kingsley: update-alternatives |
| 22:50.39 | enouf | karsten: update-alternatives --config |
| 22:50.48 | enouf | er kingsley |
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| 22:51.29 | enouf | kingsley: --config x-www-browser might also help |
| 22:51.30 | PDani | hi |
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| 22:52.03 | PDani | is there any free dns service i can use instead of my service providers' dns, which is pretty unreliable |
| 22:52.55 | rraindown_ | PDani, OpenDNS |
| 22:53.30 | valdyn | !sensible-browser |
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| 22:53.37 | valdyn | !listkeys sensible-browser |
| 22:53.38 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sensible-browser' by key returned no results. |
| 22:53.56 | abrotman | sensible-browser is a gnome thing IIRC |
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| 22:54.06 | valdyn | nah |
| 22:54.30 | valdyn | its a mechanism to start X or just console browser, depending on X availability |
| 22:54.56 | RRockon | screw the owner |
| 22:54.59 | RRockon | that's my device |
| 22:55.07 | RRockon | this folder doesn't *need* an owner |
| 22:55.12 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 22:55.16 | RRockon | well... |
| 22:55.23 | RRockon | it doesn't need to be the one doing the managing |
| 22:55.33 | RRockon | not when he's got ROOT! |
| 22:55.44 | valdyn | debianutils: /usr/bin/sensible-browser |
| 22:55.49 | Skapare | anyone know of an alternate package to do syslog splitting and "rotation", that names the log files by their dates, instead of shifting them to increasing numbers? |
| 22:56.05 | ranix | because no file/folder permissions affect root |
| 22:56.07 | ranix | amirite |
| 22:56.11 | marius453 | i need install my qiuckcam logitech e 2500 can we help me |
| 22:56.16 | RRockon | youarerite |
| 22:56.18 | valdyn | ranix: no |
| 22:56.25 | RRockon | ? |
| 22:56.36 | ranix | RRockon: valdyn is correct |
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| 22:56.41 | ranix | file and folder permissions do affect root |
| 22:56.42 | valdyn | ranix: root has a way to circumvent permissions |
| 22:56.50 | valdyn | ranix: but they still apply |
| 22:56.53 | ranix | you must still set them properly |
| 22:56.58 | ranix | valdyn: yup |
| 22:57.02 | ranix | I was making a point |
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| 22:57.53 | JPT | mhh... so root is able to fix ...let's say... chmod -x chmod |
| 22:57.54 | dad | hmmm i think i need to file a bug report... |
| 22:58.03 | JPT | i just want to know :) |
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| 22:58.54 | valdyn | JPT: yea, sure root can chmod |
| 22:59.02 | valdyn | JPT: but thats not what i meant |
| 22:59.32 | JPT | i know ... but the topic is not that far away, so i just asked :) |
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| 23:01.14 | edenroz | hello |
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| 23:01.23 | valdyn | JPT: chmod 000 file; echo "that wont work" >> file; cat file | echo "that will work" > newfile; rm file; mv newfile file |
| 23:01.55 | JPT | mhh.. |
| 23:01.58 | JPT | okay :) |
| 23:02.04 | valdyn | JPT: actually i forgot read permissions in that chmod, point is he missing write |
| 23:02.13 | edenroz | hello, how can i compile Debian GNU/kFreeBSD's kernel |
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| 23:03.32 | dad | i suspect that libflash-mozplugin 0.4.13-8 is crashing iceweasel on my debian lenny-ppc box - (does that qualify it for a bug report - here's the particulars http://pastebin.mozilla.org/636461 |
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| 23:05.49 | kingsley | valdyn & enouf ; OK, thanks. |
| 23:05.49 | stew | dad: a bug report filed where? |
| 23:06.16 | stew | dad: (libflash-mozplugin didn't come from debian) |
| 23:06.46 | edenroz | ok, someon know what is debian GNU/kFreeBSD? |
| 23:06.55 | dad | really? |
| 23:06.57 | merlincorey | edenroz: sounds hawt |
| 23:07.02 | dad | hmmm |
| 23:07.04 | dad | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.13 | stew | dad: oh, wait |
| 23:07.18 | stew | dad: yes, perhaps it is |
| 23:07.26 | nkuttler | !tell edenroz about kfreebsd |
| 23:07.31 | edenroz | merlincorey, hawt? |
| 23:07.45 | merlincorey | edenroz: yeah! |
| 23:07.49 | stew | dad: i still doubt that a bug report is worth filing, its in etch only and iceweasel is being removed from etch |
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| 23:08.04 | edenroz | nkuttler, this bot dont say how to compile the bsd kernel |
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| 23:08.18 | stew | dad: are you running etch? |
| 23:08.20 | edenroz | merlincorey, sorry i tried to google but i dunno the mean of hawt |
| 23:08.22 | dad | then it was not removed when i upgraded to lenny - it's outta here! |
| 23:08.35 | enouf | heh |
| 23:08.43 | merlincorey | edenroz: it is retarded for "hot" as in "sexy" or "beautiful" |
| 23:08.51 | nkuttler | edenroz: you didn't ask for that. i'm sure the kfreebsd people have their own channel |
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| 23:09.19 | edenroz | 10 lines up: <edenroz> hello, how can i compile Debian GNU/kFreeBSD's kernel |
| 23:09.35 | dad | laughs at hisself - troubleshoot for a day and a half to find the problem in something that shouldn't be there in the first place |
| 23:09.35 | edenroz | nkuttler, ok i'll see for their channel |
| 23:10.00 | danilo22_ | but the sources should be in debian, so if someone has made them mean that there will be a way to compile it not? |
| 23:10.05 | enouf | dad: apt-listchanges reveals wonders ;-) |
| 23:11.08 | dad | enouf: yea. |
| 23:11.09 | nkuttler | edenroz: i doubt a freebsd kernel will be usable on a linux system, you probably want their installer |
| 23:11.25 | Loka | Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3220, should i use the cpu familly Core 2/newer Xeon ? |
| 23:11.29 | dad | stew, enouf - thanks ! |
| 23:11.33 | enouf | !ports |
| 23:11.33 | dpkg | ports is, like, http://www.debian.org/ports/ or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc |
| 23:11.37 | edenroz | nkuttler, no no we want to compile, you know we are masochist |
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| 23:11.58 | nkuttler | edenroz: ah, just for fun, i see :) |
| 23:12.07 | edenroz | nkuttler, yep |
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| 23:13.59 | steve | hi all |
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| 23:14.14 | steve | is it possible to find out which package a file is owned by? |
| 23:14.19 | steve | via apt |
| 23:14.22 | nkuttler | !tell steve about search |
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| 23:15.57 | steve | nkuttler: thanks |
| 23:17.24 | pingouin | sorry, it's not fully debian related, but, wich package allow me to edit pdf, and add some colors on some lines of the text ? thanks for clues |
| 23:17.50 | tarzeau | !schlager |
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| 23:23.01 | clearscreen1 | Mmmm I have a game that is running on a 3rd workspace (celetania), whenever I switch workspace and switch back to the game, after a couple of seconds sound drops and it will feel really sluggish (as if 3d acceleration is disabled all of a sudden), quickly switching and switching back fixes the problem.. only to do the same thing after a couple of seconds. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think it's the game (it works just fine fullscreen) - wha |
| 23:23.08 | clearscreen1 | dmesg doesnt show anything |
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| 23:23.57 | clearscreen1 | additional info: using nvidia drivers with an 8800GT, although I dont think it is very related (works just fine fullscreen) |
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| 23:26.02 | jetscreamer | try glxinfo | grep -i vendor make sure they all say nvidia |
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| 23:27.11 | clearscreen1 | server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 23:27.11 | clearscreen1 | client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 23:27.11 | clearscreen1 | OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
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| 23:27.47 | clearscreen1 | I doubt it's a driver issue, the game works just fine in fullscreen.. just seems like sound driver & 3d acceleration drops if I switch workspaces |
| 23:28.04 | clearscreen1 | Not even directly... like a couple of seconds after switching |
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| 23:29.01 | bobrox | hello |
| 23:29.33 | bobrox | somebody know how to make a custom kernel 2.6.26 and xen3.2 ? |
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| 23:33.19 | abrotman | bobrox: why? there are xen capable kernels in lenny already |
| 23:34.31 | bobrox | yes i now but i want to customize to have a 1000hz kernel for game server like hlds |
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| 23:38.28 | valdyn | bobrox: thats in the debian wiki |
| 23:39.31 | bobrox | i will see, thx |
| 23:40.06 | Skapare | anyone know of an alternate package to do syslog splitting and "rotation", that names the log files by their dates, instead of shifting them to increasing numbers? |
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| 23:41.46 | valdyn | Skapare: cant you use the time stamp on the file? |
| 23:43.59 | Skapare | valdyn: the problem is the backups (using rsync) is redundantly downloading each log file repeatedly, each time it rotates to the next higher number |
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| 23:44.37 | bobrox | valdyn I take a look on debian wiki but i didn't found somthing interesting |
| 23:44.52 | Skapare | valdyn: if the rotation were to rename the log file to a fixed never again changed name, then it would be only 2 times each log is downloaded, instead of 10 |
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| 23:45.19 | epifanio | hi all, i'm tring to install debian netinstall ... but the "netwok configuration" fails ... so i don't know how to go ahead, have you any suggestion ? during the first step of the installer (textual install) it detect the gigabit eth ... configure with dhcp ... ok ... the the failure message :-( |
| 23:45.23 | Skapare | valdyn: and the backup archive could even keep them all (lots more than the last 10) |
| 23:45.42 | bobrox | i try to compile a custom kernel 2.6.26 with xen 3.2 but i don't found the xen patch |
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| 23:46.25 | shze | I'm running vanilla 2.6.28.9 on debian testing (w/ kde4+xorg from exp) and my system hangs on suspend if the sd card is mounted (I'm on Thinkpad X40). How to solve that? force umount before suspend? or is this a bug? then how to debug? |
| 23:46.53 | Skapare | valdyn: naming using the timestamp is just a sure way to make unique unchanging names ... sequentially increasing numbers would suffice for my goal (because yes I can use the file timestamp) |
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| 23:47.54 | daedhel | hai |
| 23:49.03 | jpinx | epiphany is a reasonable browser |
| 23:49.16 | valdyn | Skapare: have you looked at the manpage? |
| 23:49.20 | jpinx | Ooops - sorry - wrong # |
| 23:50.08 | shze | any idea while suspend is hanging with mounted sd card? |
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| 23:50.35 | Skapare | valdyn: yes ... for logrotate ... I don't see any way to specify a naming pattern that can be formed unique |
| 23:50.54 | daedhel | i just bought an old Netfinity 5000 IBM server, and I'm trying to setup xorg on it. It uses an S3 card, and xorg detected it and made a xorg.conf when I did "xorg -configure" . But I cant get a working screen, it stays black on tty7 when I startx |
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| 23:51.09 | Skapare | valdyn: I'm wondering if some other log rotation package exists, before I go off trying to write my own |
| 23:51.14 | valdyn | Skapare: rotate 99999 |
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| 23:51.41 | valdyn | Skapare: that option will keep logfiles up to number 99999 |
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| 23:52.22 | Skapare | valdyn: I don't want to keep lots of log files ... I just don't want all the kept ones to be renamed every day (running logrotate daily) |
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| 23:52.54 | DeathWolf | mmm odd, debian's en_US.UTF-8 is behaving differently of all other linux&unix'es |
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| 23:53.44 | daedhel | anyone? I'm pretty sure it must be a trivial problem, but I'm cluless on what to do |
| 23:53.52 | Skapare | valdyn: the problem is syslog.8 gets renamed to syslog.9, then syslog.7 gets renamed to syslog.8, syslog.6 to syslog.7, and so on |
| 23:54.10 | Skapare | valdyn: it's like a big shift register kind of thing |
| 23:54.20 | clearscreen1 | daedhel: check your xorg log |
| 23:54.28 | DeathWolf | unset LANG LC_ALL LC_CTYPE;export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8; for i in `seq 1 254`; do echo -e "test\x"$(printf "%02x" $i)"abc"; done|grep "test.*abc"|wc -l |
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| 23:54.32 | DeathWolf | ^123 on debian |
| 23:54.35 | DeathWolf | *126 |
| 23:54.38 | Skapare | valdyn: what I want is something that is NOT a shift register |
| 23:54.40 | DeathWolf | 253 on all other unixes around me. |
| 23:54.55 | solitron | hello, I'm having a problem with GNOME, when I start it the Panel crashes and besides that, instead of icons I have white pages with red crosses, I tried pulling some gnome related packages, like gnome-panel-data, gnome-desktop-data and restarted GNOME but it's not working, anyone has a clue? |
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| 23:55.33 | DeathWolf | and amusingly it's 253 on debian with en_GB.UTF-8... |
| 23:55.38 | DeathWolf | meaning it's only with en_US |
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| 23:56.09 | valdyn | Skapare: use the mail directive |
| 23:56.24 | valdyn | Skapare: it cant just do mail |
| 23:56.24 | Skapare | I don't want to email them |
| 23:56.38 | valdyn | Skapare: i know you dont want to mail them |
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| 23:56.48 | valdyn | Skapare: it can do anything |
| 23:56.56 | valdyn | Skapare: and use rotate 0 or 1 |
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| 23:57.57 | Skapare | I don't understand "it can do anything" ... it takes an email address |
| 23:58.07 | valdyn | Skapare: it can do anything |
| 23:58.35 | valdyn | Skapare: mail mycustomscriptthatdoesntreallymail.sh |
| 23:58.40 | funyun | is it possible to turn an .avi movie into a dvd image with chapters on linux? |
| 23:58.48 | Skapare | where is it documented? the man page doesn't describe "mail" doing anything other than mailing the log file |
| 23:59.00 | valdyn | Skapare: it does not say that it mails |
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| 23:59.19 | valdyn | Skapare: --mail <command> |
| 23:59.47 | valdyn | Skapare: read that part carefully, crafting the script is easy |