| 00:00.09 | Skapare | "mail address" |
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| 00:00.15 | Skapare | "When a log is rotated out of existence, it is mailed to address. If no mail should be generated by a particular log, |
| 00:00.15 | Skapare | the nomail directive may be used." |
| 00:00.17 | Skapare | that's all it says for it |
| 00:00.33 | valdyn | Skapare: --mail |
| 00:00.36 | Skapare | there is a directive to run a script ... I guess I will have to use that |
| 00:00.40 | valdyn | Skapare: not "mail" |
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| 00:01.05 | gryfie | funyun, ne Moment |
| 00:01.12 | badiane | ehlo! everyone |
| 00:01.19 | Skapare | no documentation at all for "--mail" ... why not just use "postrotate" ? |
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| 00:01.33 | funyun | gryfie: ?? |
| 00:01.37 | gryfie | I have to search on my laptop the name of the application |
| 00:01.56 | epifanio | ok done .. i manually set the host to 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:02.02 | valdyn | Skapare: seems trickier to get right |
| 00:02.10 | gryfie | it was for debian etch |
| 00:02.51 | valdyn | Skapare: while --mail just needs to pipe stdin to logfile.$(date) for instance |
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| 00:03.06 | epifanio | in the partitioning tool .. i select : 1 partition -> logic ; mount point -> root |
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| 00:03.31 | epifanio | then the 4gb free space i select : swap area |
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| 00:03.54 | epifanio | ... in the option i can see : avviable flag :-/ what it is ? |
| 00:04.21 | badiane | I have a question regarding kernel patches. The kernel version in question is 2.6.26. I'm trying to get a xen-vserver kernel. I noticed that they are mutually exclusive. Is there a way to get both of them in the same kernel? |
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| 00:04.32 | gryfie | funyun, It's called mandvd, but don't know,if it was from backports or mulltimedia |
| 00:04.39 | epifanio | i'm installing debian on a external drive (i'll mount it on a laptop that has a broken cd-room) |
| 00:04.41 | gryfie | or such an apt.source |
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| 00:06.35 | funyun | gryfie: okay, thanks |
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| 00:08.57 | enouf | Skapare: it seems your issue with logrotate (besides whatever rsync d/l many times issue is) can be easily resolved using find -mtime{-ctime,-atime}, rather than searching files by name - why is it so important the "names" don't change? |
| 00:09.56 | Skapare | enouf: if the name changes, rsync downloads it again ... as the name rotates through the "count" cycles each day, the daily rsync run downloads it yet again for each |
| 00:11.02 | Skapare | enouf: the trouble isn't with finding the files ... the trouble is rsync redundantly downloads them for as many times as I want to keep copies on the server |
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| 00:11.53 | Skapare | enouf: that and the archive rsync downloads to will still only have the last 10 ... I can increase count to fix that, but I don't want more than 10 on the server itself |
| 00:12.08 | kaiten4 | i'm having trouble instlalling grub in my chroot debootstrapped environment |
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| 00:13.01 | Skapare | enouf: if instead of syslog -> syslog.0 it did syslog -> syslog.20090325 then each file would only be downloaded twice, and kept on the archive forever ... much better than what happens now |
| 00:13.01 | kaiten4 | it says it cannot find /dev/hda, (inside chroot) even though I have the host system mounting proc on it's proc |
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| 00:18.20 | arcaos_ | where is the correct place to put modprobe apm for when the machine is starting up? |
| 00:19.07 | amphi | arcaos_: you can just add apm to /etc/modules |
| 00:20.00 | arcaos_ | amphi: thx |
| 00:20.38 | badiane | kaiten4: you need to have the /dev/ mounted with bind |
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| 00:20.53 | badiane | mount -o bind /dev <chroot>/dev/ |
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| 00:21.21 | kaiten4 | badiane: thank you |
| 00:21.25 | badiane | np |
| 00:22.07 | arcaos_ | just another question... do all the scripts that are in /etc/init.d/ start up on their own or do they need assistance... I`m worried about a particular one laptop_mode |
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| 00:32.23 | Skapare | enouf: it looks like, given that there is more than one thing doing logging as well, I'm just going to have to run a script from cron to forcibly rename log files out of the rotation |
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| 00:35.59 | Sertse | hi |
| 00:36.08 | Sertse | where can I go see what modules are being loaded etc? |
| 00:36.08 | Skapare | hi |
| 00:36.57 | Skapare | Sertse: in the kernel? or apache? or what? |
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| 00:37.09 | Sertse | kernel |
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| 00:37.36 | Sertse | I know modprobe loads it, rmmod disable it etc... |
| 00:37.46 | Skapare | cat /proc/modules |
| 00:37.56 | epifanio | hi .. the installation go ahead .. but unlucky it stop at the step : configure package manager :-( i tried to select all the italy " ftp repository" but it give me : mirror not valid :-( |
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| 00:39.07 | kaiten4 | I'm sorry someone gave me a bind command for /dev/ in chroot, I was wondering if I could get that agian |
| 00:39.18 | epifanio | hi .. the installation go ahead .. but unlucku it stop at the step : configure package manager :-( i tried to select all the italy " ftp repository" but it give me : archive mirror not valid |
| 00:39.29 | badiane | mount -o bind /dev <chroot>/dev |
| 00:39.36 | epifanio | hoops .. i posted twice the same line sorry :-/ |
| 00:40.14 | kaiten4 | badiane: thank you again |
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| 00:40.25 | badiane | kaiten4: np |
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| 00:40.37 | epifanio | any clue ? there is an option that offer a manul setting .. have you any suggestion ? |
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| 00:40.53 | epifanio | i'm on a netinstall unstable 64bit |
| 00:41.48 | Adrian` | i'm trying to remove transmission-gtk but it wants to remove gnome too, is this going to screw up gnome ? |
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| 00:43.43 | badiane | Sertse: lsmod will also show it to you. |
| 00:43.56 | Skapare | Adrian: if gnome is removed, then it's a philosophical argument whether that constitutes being "screwed up" |
| 00:44.10 | Adrian` | well |
| 00:44.18 | Skapare | Adrian: but I'd say: yeah |
| 00:44.25 | Adrian` | i want to keep gnome and remove transmission |
| 00:45.00 | Skapare | Adrian: there must be a dependency involved |
| 00:45.35 | Adrian` | gnome is dependent on a torrent client? |
| 00:45.38 | Skapare | Adrian: yes, indeed, there is |
| 00:45.50 | Adrian` | so how do i take care of it? |
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| 00:46.30 | Skapare | leave transmission-gtk installed |
| 00:46.55 | Adrian` | why would i want to leave it installed if i don;t use it? |
| 00:47.14 | Adrian` | because i can't remove it easily :P |
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| 00:47.35 | Skapare | because some part of it is used by some part of gtk |
| 00:48.08 | Skapare | so it would not necessarily be correct to say you don't use it if you are using gnome |
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| 00:48.31 | sloin | hey, I've got 2 slow internet connection (wire,wifi) so I bridged both interfaces to a bridge with dhcp-leased-IP address...it works, but the wired interface must be in promiscuous mode which is not good |
| 00:48.49 | Rienzilla | euhm |
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| 00:49.01 | sloin | any idea how to do it differently ? |
| 00:49.01 | Rienzilla | that alone will not accomplish load balancing |
| 00:49.16 | Skapare | Adrian: grab this 5.3MB file: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 |
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| 00:49.32 | centHOGG | hi, can't seem to get my system sounds working, but audio works fine.. thx for help :) |
| 00:49.44 | sloin | Rienzilla, if you make a smart iptable rules, it works fine |
| 00:49.48 | Rienzilla | what's on the other end of the wire and wifi connection? |
| 00:49.52 | Skapare | Adrian: uncompress it, and in an editor, look for transmission-gtk in dependency lists |
| 00:49.53 | jetscreamer | gnome, kde, other... |
| 00:49.57 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 00:49.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:49.58 | badiane | Adrian: you may try to trick it by removing it as a dependency in /var/lib/dpkg/{status,available}. Backup these files first. There's another way to go about it involving package diversion or something like that |
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| 00:50.29 | sloin | Rienzilla, there is a gateway with nat and dhcp server...and 100 other hosts on that subnet |
| 00:50.37 | Rienzilla | ow ok, so you control the other end |
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| 00:50.43 | sloin | no |
| 00:50.51 | Adrian` | Skapare, i'm not sure what in gnome uses a torrent client other than being a meta tag maybe |
| 00:50.54 | sloin | I'm on student residence |
| 00:51.00 | gpm | hi. i want to get the fonts on the bottom of debian.org (the international ones) to display the actual characters and not these boxes with weird strings in them. what packages do i need to install? |
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| 00:51.08 | sloin | my host is one of those 100 |
| 00:51.23 | Rienzilla | well, what you can do is route one type of traffic over the one link, and other type of traffic over the other |
| 00:51.57 | Rienzilla | you don't even need a bridge to do that I think |
| 00:52.37 | sloin | yes, but the problem is, that the interfaces are 0.0.0.0 promisc. and the card is reading each packet |
| 00:52.41 | Rienzilla | just some policy routing... and concerning the promiscuous mode; I don't think an interface can be enslaved to a bridge without promiscuous mode on |
| 00:52.48 | Rienzilla | yes, that's inherent to a bridge |
| 00:52.56 | centHOGG | hi, can't seem to get my system sounds working, but audio works fine.. thx for help :) |
| 00:53.03 | Rienzilla | since the interfaces have to decided whether or not a packet must be bridged |
| 00:53.21 | Skapare | Adrian: seems gnome depends on a few strange things |
| 00:53.44 | sloin | Rienzilla, I need that bridge, I have some virtual machines on it |
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| 00:53.59 | Rienzilla | well then you'll need the interface to be in promiscuous mode |
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| 00:54.20 | Rienzilla | for if it's not, it would not bridge packets destined for your virtual machine, rendering htem connectionless |
| 00:56.04 | sloin | Rienzilla, but as far as the wifi, it doesn't matter because it doesn't support promiscuous mode as a default unless you patch the driver somehow |
| 00:56.04 | sloin | is it correct ? |
| 00:56.05 | Rienzilla | I don't know about wifi |
| 00:56.05 | CcSsNET | just get an orinico wifi card |
| 00:56.05 | Rienzilla | I'm old school copper :) |
| 00:56.05 | CcSsNET | for promiscuous |
| 00:56.05 | sloin | wifi adapters automatically drops packets not addressed to a mac address of my host |
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| 00:56.21 | sloin | of the nic of the wifi adapter |
| 00:56.32 | Rienzilla | then it will also drop packets destined for machines on other ports of the bridge |
| 00:56.37 | epifanio | so there isn't a way to know a working ftp repository for the netinstall cd ? |
| 00:56.38 | Skapare | Adrian: there appears to be some integrated ability for Gnome to be set to monitor torrents directly for certain files ... and make it has to use some lib from transmission-gtk to do that |
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| 00:56.58 | Skapare | ... and maybe ... |
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| 00:57.09 | Skapare | is just guessing |
| 00:57.10 | lvlefisto | i have just installed debian and when i try to install a new packages it keeps saying "Some Packages could not be authenticated" |
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| 00:57.23 | lvlefisto | do i have the wrong sources.list? |
| 00:57.54 | Rienzilla | no you're missing some pgp keys I think |
| 00:58.09 | lvlefisto | also when i apt-get update it throws some 404 errors |
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| 00:58.50 | Rienzilla | the latter is probably an error in your sources.list |
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| 00:59.15 | Skapare | Adrian: how were you trying to remove it? |
| 00:59.27 | sloin | Rienzilla, I could try 1.1.1.1 for the wired interface and add SNAT and DNAT into ip tables |
| 00:59.31 | lvlefisto | ok, is there an official list of sources which i can get? i installed debian without a GUI |
| 01:00.04 | sloin | Rienzilla, no, it's nonsense |
| 01:00.09 | lvlefisto | i must say also that i am running debian amd64 |
| 01:00.11 | Rienzilla | sloin: I don't know what you mean, and to be honest I don't know exactly what your goal is |
| 01:00.19 | Rienzilla | why do you not want the interface promisc? |
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| 01:00.53 | sloin | my goal is "the promiscuous mode on the wired NIC is overkill" |
| 01:01.04 | Rienzilla | sloin: it is not. |
| 01:01.08 | Rienzilla | it is necessary |
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| 01:01.47 | Rienzilla | if you don't want it, you'll have to make up some evil voodo magic tricks with proxyarp, OR have the router on the other end explicitly route a block of IP's to your host (which is probably not going to happen) |
| 01:01.49 | sloin | but it is reading extreme amount of traffic |
| 01:01.59 | Rienzilla | yes, it needs to |
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| 01:02.29 | badiane | I would like to get a kernel with vserver and xen together. Does anyone know if this is still possible? It used to be in 2.6.18. I'm trying this with 2.6.26. |
| 01:02.50 | badiane | the patches seem to be mutually exclusive. |
| 01:02.52 | Rienzilla | but a semiu decent nic and PC can handle promisc mode on a busy network without any problem |
| 01:02.58 | gpm | hi. i want to get the fonts on the bottom of debian.org (the international ones) to display the actual characters and not these boxes with weird strings in them. what packages do i need to install? |
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| 01:04.17 | centHOGG | hi, can't seem to get my system sounds working, but audio works fine.. thx for help :) |
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| 01:04.55 | dsl_ | hey all .. im trying to get all the help i can |
| 01:05.21 | dsl_ | i accidently did an rm command and i deleted a file and i need it back .. am i screwed or is there hope ? |
| 01:05.27 | hoodlum | screwed |
| 01:05.33 | dsl_ | the file was on a vfat file system |
| 01:05.34 | Rienzilla | 99% of the time you're screwed |
| 01:05.45 | Rienzilla | mmm |
| 01:05.51 | Rienzilla | dos used to have some undelete stuff |
| 01:06.24 | dsl_ | yea .. im on a live cd right now .. im wondering if i unmount it and reboot will it still be in memory or something ? |
| 01:06.24 | badiane | dsl_: rm --> the big void |
| 01:06.27 | Rienzilla | http://www.mail-archive.com/opensuse@opensuse.org/msg48526.html |
| 01:06.37 | dsl_ | badiane: what do you mean ? |
| 01:06.54 | Rienzilla | he means that in almost all cases your file is gone |
| 01:07.44 | Rienzilla | but on a fat fs you might get lucky, but don;t get your hopes up |
| 01:08.30 | badiane | dsl_: when you rm there is no recycle bin. |
| 01:08.44 | dsl_ | i kow |
| 01:08.45 | dsl_ | ugh |
| 01:08.49 | badiane | dsl_: but the file should still be there |
| 01:08.50 | dsl_ | know* |
| 01:09.00 | dsl_ | it isn't i looked |
| 01:09.16 | Rienzilla | dsl_: dis you try dosfsck -u like in that link I posted? |
| 01:09.30 | dsl_ | i need to reboot to windows |
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| 01:09.40 | Rienzilla | umm |
| 01:09.48 | dsl_ | funny thing is the stuff im trying to recover is on a windows 9x machine that only boots to safe mode |
| 01:09.49 | dsl_ | lol |
| 01:09.51 | Rienzilla | you deleted it while in windows? |
| 01:09.55 | dsl_ | no |
| 01:10.01 | dsl_ | im on a linux live cd |
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| 01:10.06 | dsl_ | i mounted it and rmed it |
| 01:10.07 | badiane | dsl_: it is. It's just unlinked from it's allocation table. there is an application which will search the drive like when doing bare metal recovery |
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| 01:10.25 | Rienzilla | indeed |
| 01:10.33 | Rienzilla | and in the meantime you have to hop eit's not being overwritten :) |
| 01:10.40 | dsl_ | shouldn't |
| 01:10.44 | dsl_ | its a My Documents folder |
| 01:10.51 | Rienzilla | that's highly filesystem dependant :) |
| 01:10.53 | dsl_ | wanna see the command that killed me ? i thought it was safe |
| 01:11.12 | Rienzilla | I'd like a laugh :) |
| 01:11.16 | dsl_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.18 | badiane | as long as he hasn't (he and the system) has performed any writes |
| 01:11.25 | badiane | to the mounted partition he should be safe |
| 01:11.28 | Rienzilla | haha yeah :) |
| 01:11.31 | dsl_ | so |
| 01:11.37 | badiane | now if you reboot vaya con dios |
| 01:11.38 | dsl_ | i thought that would rm everything in docs |
| 01:11.40 | Rienzilla | I once rm'ed my entire homedir by trying to delete *~ |
| 01:11.51 | dsl_ | how did you recover ? |
| 01:12.02 | Rienzilla | but on dutch macvhines the ~ doesnt appear until you press space |
| 01:12.06 | Rienzilla | I restored a backup :) |
| 01:12.09 | dsl_ | haha |
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| 01:13.43 | badiane | dsl_: what kind of file was it that you removed |
| 01:13.55 | dsl_ | *.docs and *.wps |
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| 01:14.00 | dsl_ | haha @ wps |
| 01:14.37 | badiane | take a look at this. I don't know if it will work. I haven't tried it. apt-cache show testdisk | more |
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| 01:15.27 | badiane | dsl_: apt-cache show scalpel | more |
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| 01:15.34 | ukatan | hi, I was wondering how I could copy a set of files and only copy when the destination file doesn't exist. |
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| 01:15.47 | badiane | dsl_: that last one looks interesting |
| 01:15.53 | ukatan | cp -u doesn't work because the destination filesystem is FAT32 and causes all files to be copied |
| 01:16.21 | badiane | ukatan: use rsync |
| 01:16.26 | ukatan | and thunar apparently has no "skip all" option so I either get to press alt-s 10-20 thousand times or click the button |
| 01:16.34 | ukatan | wow how did I not figure that one out :( |
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| 01:17.19 | badiane | ukatan: since you're using gui you may want to look at grsync |
| 01:18.13 | badiane | ukatan: a friend of mine who's a programmer told me that it was quite easy to extend thunar and have it do what you want. I have never tried it. |
| 01:19.20 | badiane | dsl_: I would suggest that you do not reboot and if you are using a livecd with unionfs, download scalpel and see if you can recover your file. |
| 01:19.34 | dsl_ | can't |
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| 01:19.44 | dsl_ | the only linux distro i could use was damn small linux |
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| 01:19.48 | dsl_ | sorry that im asking in debian |
| 01:19.53 | dsl_ | DSL channel is dead |
| 01:20.37 | badiane | dsl_: so the package is not in there I take it? |
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| 01:20.59 | badiane | dsl_: next time use grml as a recovery livecd. It's quite good |
| 01:21.21 | dsl_ | ok |
| 01:21.36 | badiane | dsl_: actually if you umount the partition and reboot with grml you shouldn't have a problem |
| 01:22.30 | badiane | dsl_: since linux will not write to the vfat partition. Don't reboot in windows. Get grml and see if you can use scalpel. |
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| 01:23.15 | dsl_ | ok |
| 01:23.17 | dsl_ | let me go download |
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| 01:24.34 | dsl_ | so is scalpel good ? |
| 01:25.10 | badiane | dsl_: I have never used it. But it seems by its description to fit the bill. It's a forensic tool. |
| 01:26.19 | sepult | kanotix is good |
| 01:26.47 | sepult | as a recovery cd with unionfs and squashfs support |
| 01:27.23 | r0nin | hey ive got an old compaq that when I boot up cd1 to install the keyboard doesen't work, how should I get around this? |
| 01:27.26 | badiane | sepult: that would do. He needs to be able to install scalpel and have it search the partition or the drive. |
| 01:28.20 | dsl_ | so this is why i have been ircing for years .. irc rocks i don't care how old i get :P calling tech support sucks |
| 01:28.22 | dsl_ | thanks |
| 01:28.25 | sepult | badiane: i just debootstrapped debian from kanotix cd onto my harddrive |
| 01:28.41 | sepult | badiane: after running fix-unionfs |
| 01:29.16 | sepult | easy as pie |
| 01:29.58 | badiane | sepult: I usually install from grml and debootstrap. |
| 01:30.25 | dsl_ | badiane: thanks for that help .. yea i just googled it and it seems nice |
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| 01:30.54 | sepult | badiane: it's actually the only cd i have, since my dvd-writer went crazy, and those dvd-media i have can't be blanked |
| 01:31.17 | sepult | i'm glad that i have it |
| 01:31.35 | sepult | badiane: it's torhammer version |
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| 01:33.05 | badiane | sepult: so it boots directly into a gui? |
| 01:33.26 | sepult | badiane: yes |
| 01:33.47 | sepult | badiane: it's already set up with kde and amarok kvirc etc... |
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| 01:33.56 | ukatan | thank you badiane rsync worked wonders |
| 01:34.05 | badiane | sepult: eewww. I haven't used kde since 2000 |
| 01:34.16 | badiane | ukatan: my pleasure |
| 01:34.53 | sepult | badiane: what do you use then ? |
| 01:34.55 | sepult | gnome ? |
| 01:35.03 | badiane | sepult: I've been using xfce as my env of choice. when I build systems I use the command line. and screen |
| 01:35.31 | sepult | yes, xfce is more leightweight than gnome i think |
| 01:35.51 | jetscreamer | does apt-get install package- remove it? the trailing - |
| 01:36.05 | badiane | sepult: noooo. I use some components from gnome but xfce4 is my env. Yes it is. |
| 01:36.54 | badiane | sepult: I see that it does't use a lot of mem |
| 01:37.46 | sepult | badiane: the only time i boot into xfce is with a gentoo usb image copied from an iso-image, the problem is there is no network driver or it's buggy, so i can't use that |
| 01:38.17 | sepult | badiane: i tried several things actually |
| 01:38.23 | badiane | sepult: no network drivers?? |
| 01:38.31 | sepult | badiane: no network drivers |
| 01:38.52 | badiane | sepult: no modules directory for that kernel? |
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| 01:39.14 | sepult | badiane: it's an early 2008 version |
| 01:39.59 | badiane | sepult: ok |
| 01:40.04 | infomomo | hi, should i am deploying network, should i put my openradius server on the same server as my Apache/FTP ??? |
| 01:40.05 | gpm | hi. i want to get the fonts on the bottom of debian.org (the international ones) to display the actual characters and not these boxes with weird strings in them. what packages do i need to install? |
| 01:40.21 | dsl_ | badiane: grml is based on debian right ? |
| 01:40.30 | infomomo | or should i put the FreeRADIUS with my OpenVPN server ? |
| 01:40.32 | badiane | dsl_: yes it is |
| 01:40.35 | dsl_ | oo |
| 01:40.38 | dsl_ | so i get apt-get ? |
| 01:40.39 | sepult | it would be a dream if i could make a ramdisk like that one on kanotix cd |
| 01:40.53 | sepult | with all those cheats |
| 01:40.57 | sepult | heh |
| 01:41.03 | badiane | dsl_: no you go to the site and you download it. It's a livecd that has tons of tools |
| 01:41.29 | dsl_ | yea |
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| 01:42.02 | dsl_ | im downloading it right now .. so what im going to do is burn it to cd .. unmount this vfat and reboot and boot into grml before windows comes up right ? |
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| 01:43.34 | daedhel | I have made a bug report on the 21st of march, and there is still no answer to it. I am starting to wonder if I have done something wrong in the report for wich it is being ignored... Is the report ok? : http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12916 |
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| 01:43.52 | daedhel | the bug report is about the kernel |
| 01:44.08 | badiane | dsl_: you have to boot into grml. Once there do an apt-cache search for scalpel or search for data recovery |
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| 01:46.49 | sjokkis | god damn it why can't you people get flash right? |
| 01:46.55 | sjokkis | is it that hard to install a plugin? |
| 01:47.24 | sjokkis | aptitude install iceweasel flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:47.32 | sjokkis | why can't that just work? |
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| 01:48.14 | badiane | sjokkis: because the file puts the symlink in the wrong directory I think |
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| 01:48.32 | sjokkis | badiane: so what you're telling me is that the maintainer of the flashplugin-nonfree package is a retard? |
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| 01:49.01 | sjokkis | it doesn't make me feel better, but at least i know why. thank you |
| 01:49.09 | Gigantic | !backports |
| 01:49.09 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 01:49.19 | Gigantic | that site is down |
| 01:49.19 | badiane | sjokkis: don't know him but I do bitch |
| 01:49.25 | Gigantic | has been for a while |
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| 01:49.36 | sjokkis | badiane: yeah i bitch too |
| 01:49.52 | Gigantic | who's bitching? |
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| 01:49.59 | badiane | sjokkis: look into the iceweasel directory in /usr/lib/iceweasel |
| 01:49.59 | sjokkis | me and badiane i guess |
| 01:50.12 | sjokkis | yea? |
| 01:50.29 | SirTophat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:51.17 | Gigantic | >.> |
| 01:51.39 | badiane | sjokkis: create a symlink to /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugin/ |
| 01:51.46 | SirTophat | I have to reformat with rm -rf / |
| 01:51.50 | SirTophat | fu missingno Ò Ò̵ÌÌÌ ÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌ ÍÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌ¿Ì¿Ì¿ÌÌÌÌÍ¡Ò Ò̵ÌÌÌ ÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌ ÍÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌ¿Ì¿Ì¿ÌÌÌÌÍ¡Ò Ò̵ÌÌÌ ÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌ ÍÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌ¿Ì¿Ì¿ÌÌÌÌÍ¡Ò Ò̵ÌÌÌ ÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌ ÍÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌ¿Ì¿Ì¿ÌÌÌÌÍ¡Ò Ò̵ÌÌÌ ÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌ ÍÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌ |
| 01:52.27 | stew | SirTophat: what are you talking about? |
| 01:52.41 | SirTophat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.44 | SirTophat | jk |
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| 01:58.14 | sjokkis | badiane: it's recognized (shows up in about:plugins), but it doesn't seem to work |
| 01:58.20 | sjokkis | youtube says it's missing or too old |
| 01:58.36 | sjokkis | no. it says javascript turned off or flash plugin too old |
| 01:58.47 | sjokkis | javascript is on, flash is version 10.0 r22 |
| 01:58.51 | karsten | wonders what characters SirTophat is tossing out. |
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| 01:59.34 | Gigantic | points karsten to google UTF play |
| 01:59.38 | badiane | sjokkis: it's not recognized hmm? |
| 01:59.43 | sjokkis | some pretty awesome skull characters that's what |
| 01:59.53 | sjokkis | i'm gonna map those badboys to a key on my home row |
| 02:00.00 | sjokkis | i wonder which character gets the axe... |
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| 02:00.32 | sjokkis | L gets the axe. it's a pansy character anyway. skulls are way more hardcore than L |
| 02:00.37 | badiane | I'm running 10 too |
| 02:00.41 | karsten | Gigantic: Not grokking it |
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| 02:01.02 | sjokkis | badiane: this worked fine before i switched from a self compiled version of firefox to this stupid iceweasel thing |
| 02:01.06 | sjokkis | guess i shouldn't have done that |
| 02:01.16 | karsten | Gigantic: More clue? |
| 02:01.33 | badiane | sjokkis: hold on, let me take a look at someting |
| 02:01.56 | sjokkis | sure thing |
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| 02:04.06 | arcaos_ | hello |
| 02:04.20 | SirTophat | the answer is in the clouds of good |
| 02:04.30 | arcaos_ | do all the files in /etc/modprobe.d get run on startup? |
| 02:04.31 | SirTophat | search wisely, and you will find the answer to the golden key |
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| 02:05.04 | badiane | sjokkis: the plugin should be in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so, there should be a link to it in /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so, |
| 02:05.28 | sjokkis | badiane: there is |
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| 02:05.39 | badiane | sjokkis: so you can link to it directly or via the alternative |
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| 02:05.49 | sjokkis | and i also linked to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so from /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
| 02:06.50 | OUTsider | the issue I have looks a bit like #521092, but still is different |
| 02:06.58 | badiane | arcaos_: do a man -k modprobe and take a look at modprobe.conf |
| 02:07.05 | sjokkis | badiane: same plugin works fine in opera |
| 02:07.14 | OUTsider | pure-ftpd: Depends: pure-ftpd-common (= 1.0.21-11.4) but 1.0.21-12 is to be installed |
| 02:07.19 | badiane | sjokkis: it should work |
| 02:07.22 | sjokkis | badiane: so i guess it's an iceweasel issue |
| 02:07.37 | badiane | sjokkis: that's all I had to do when I installed iceweasel |
| 02:07.45 | sjokkis | yeah, it should be working |
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| 02:08.06 | sjokkis | shows up in about:plugins and everything |
| 02:08.30 | badiane | sjokkis: are you running 64bits or not |
| 02:08.34 | sjokkis | not |
| 02:08.34 | arcaos_ | badiane: ok |
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| 02:08.50 | badiane | sjokkis: hmm strange. |
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| 02:10.05 | sjokkis | fuck. in opera, this new flash plugin uses 40% of my cpu |
| 02:10.10 | badiane | sjokkis: just for the hell of it, drop the symlink in the /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ directory. Juts to see. |
| 02:10.43 | centHOGG | sjokkis: what is your rig specs |
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| 02:11.23 | sjokkis | acer travelmate something, intel celeron 1.5ghz, 1 gig ram |
| 02:11.44 | OUTsider | *waits* |
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| 02:12.46 | centHOGG | sjokkis: better than me, but I have never used opera |
| 02:12.50 | centHOGG | :) |
| 02:13.06 | sjokkis | opera is a resource hog, but 50% load running some webtv stuff is crazy |
| 02:13.06 | badiane | sjokkis: xulrunner-stub is using half to more than my cpu. |
| 02:13.13 | sjokkis | dude |
| 02:13.27 | sjokkis | truth be told my eee is a smoother ride than this laptop |
| 02:13.28 | badiane | sjokkis: I'm on a T40 with 1.5GB |
| 02:13.32 | sjokkis | it's an old piece of junk |
| 02:13.43 | OUTsider | pure-ftpd: Depends: pure-ftpd-common (= 1.0.21-11.4) but 1.0.21-12 is to be installed (the issue I have looks a bit like #521092, but still is different) <- just highlight me if you got an answer |
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| 02:14.16 | badiane | sjokkis: badiane 20 0 436m 251m 31m R 58.3 16.6 170:11.93 xulrunner-stub |
| 02:14.24 | centHOGG | <Athlon 1200mhz w/SDRAM 885mb (debian can't seem to read up to the full 1024mb) |
| 02:14.48 | sjokkis | i only keep it out of spite, since norwegian law gives me a five year right to complain and get it repaired |
| 02:14.58 | badiane | centHOGG: probably share video mem. |
| 02:15.34 | centHOGG | badiane: it's funny, this is a dual boot rig and w98se can read the full 1024, but in here it only goes to 885 |
| 02:15.56 | centHOGG | two of the SDRAM are those high density types, so maybe that has something to do with it\ |
| 02:15.57 | badiane | sjokkis: I don't use eee I have a nc10. |
| 02:16.08 | sjokkis | i've heard about it. is it sweet? |
| 02:16.19 | badiane | centHOGG: probably |
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| 02:17.15 | OUTsider | am I ignored or do you simply have no answer ? |
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| 02:17.24 | centHOGG | what waz it? |
| 02:17.31 | clearscreen | is it possible to share alsa across different xservers? |
| 02:17.52 | centHOGG | clearscreen: i dunno but pulseaudio has that setup right? |
| 02:18.18 | OUTsider | seems so,since everyone who joins and asks afterwards does get answered immediately |
| 02:18.20 | Gigantic | karsten: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/02/utf8_lets_you_tweet_funny_character.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 |
| 02:18.21 | badiane | sjokkis: nice keyboard which was important to me and running atheros wifi which allows me to have multiple virtual ap. wireless card is strong. I have 2G or RAM and a 500GB drive. issues with alsa and fn keys. Other than that I'm getting up to 6hours on battery in low light display. Oh yeah issues with backlight (linked to fn keys) |
| 02:18.22 | OUTsider | nice to know |
| 02:18.40 | abrotman | OUTsider: apt-cache policy pure-ftpd-common pure-ftpd |
| 02:18.46 | clearscreen | I uninstalled pulseaudio, couldnt get it reinstalled properly :P |
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| 02:18.49 | sjokkis | 6 hours is nice. i think 500gb disk is useless for a laptop tho |
| 02:18.59 | sjokkis | i've never needed more than 40gb for any purpose really |
| 02:19.06 | kaiten4 | hello. I just installed desktop environement from tasksel, and I have huge text, what is the deal, I have had this problem since 1999 with linux, please tell why this happens. http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f17/DarkMoonDawn/?action=view¤t=bigtext.png |
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| 02:19.12 | sjokkis | but then i store things at home, so maybe i'm different than most people |
| 02:19.14 | badiane | OUTsider: I have no answer. |
| 02:19.25 | OUTsider | abrotman: http://outsider.pastebin.com/d4647cb4a |
| 02:19.33 | centHOGG | clearscreen: yeah I set this system up today and can't get system sounds ( but audio works fine) so to fix that I usually install pulseaudio... but that didn't work either |
| 02:19.38 | abrotman | wow .. he has his own pastebin! |
| 02:19.50 | sjokkis | yeah what the hell |
| 02:19.56 | abrotman | OUTsider: you're using unstable .. that kind of thing happens .. wait a day or so, try again |
| 02:20.03 | OUTsider | abrotman: easier for me to keep records of pastes... and it's simply prefixing stuff |
| 02:20.09 | badiane | OUTsider: may I recommend vsftpd if that would fit your needs. very secure and can be used with ldap if that's needed and some other functions. That's what I've used a bit. |
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| 02:21.02 | abrotman | OUTsider: and yes, badiane is right .. vsftpd or proftpd are usually better choices |
| 02:21.33 | OUTsider | abrotman: I used proftpd for quite a while and discovered pure-ftpd is *WAY* faster |
| 02:21.38 | badiane | sjokkis: 500GB for ebooks, music, some films, to run vservers for testing while on the road; temporary backup while working on other machines; images. |
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| 02:21.48 | rien | hmm.. Hey everyone. I just upgraded one of my systems to lenny from etch. The machine uses ldap for pam and nss. After the upgrade, mortal users can no longer look up anything (prompt is 'I have no name@host:$', and getent passwd yeilds only entries from /etc/passwd). However when I become root, getent passwd yields all entries from the ldap |
| 02:22.01 | sjokkis | badiane: i can't imagine needing 500gb while i'm a week or two away from home |
| 02:22.03 | abrotman | OUTsider: up to you .. i'd choose one of the other two |
| 02:22.06 | rien | any ideas what's wrong here? |
| 02:22.07 | sjokkis | which is the most i ever am, really |
| 02:22.09 | abrotman | OUTsider: vsftpd most likely |
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| 02:22.16 | OUTsider | switches to vsftpd then |
| 02:22.29 | sjokkis | badiane: but hey, jiggabytes are cheap |
| 02:22.31 | sjokkis | knock yourself out |
| 02:22.32 | abrotman | OUTsider: anyways .. check your mirror in a bit .. incoming is empty now |
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| 02:23.07 | badiane | sjokkis: I voided my warranty by doing that. |
| 02:23.24 | rien | (authentication against ldap does work, btw) |
| 02:23.37 | karsten | badiane: That's usually the start to a good bar story |
| 02:23.42 | sjokkis | badiane: oh. that i wouldn't have bothered with |
| 02:23.44 | sjokkis | but if you need it |
| 02:23.52 | badiane | karsten: yes it will probably be :-) |
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| 02:24.05 | badiane | sjokkis: that's why I did it. |
| 02:24.21 | badiane | rien: is nscd running? |
| 02:24.21 | sjokkis | i think i'll get an SSD for my eee when they get cheap |
| 02:24.28 | rien | badiane: no |
| 02:24.35 | sjokkis | the ones that come with SSD already have a really shitty SSD so it's a no go |
| 02:24.36 | rien | I don't think nscd is installed |
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| 02:24.45 | sjokkis | i'm not gonna get an SSD that's slower than PATA. screw that |
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| 02:25.04 | kaiten4 | someone please give me a reason why my text is so large. http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f17/DarkMoonDawn/?action=view¤t=bigtext.png |
| 02:25.44 | rien | running nscd does fix it, but why... |
| 02:25.49 | abrotman | kaiten4: looks fine .. |
| 02:25.52 | karsten | kaiten4: Which text? |
| 02:25.55 | rien | I have been running this system without nscd for 2 years |
| 02:26.01 | karsten | kaiten4: You're in the KDE or gnome text config dialog, right? |
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| 02:27.17 | kaiten4 | karsten: yes. The text is too big for the resolution |
| 02:27.25 | badiane | kaiten4: I don't use gnome but is there a config for interface fonts |
| 02:27.31 | karsten | kaiten4: *which* text? |
| 02:27.40 | kaiten4 | karsten: application text |
| 02:27.45 | karsten | kaiten4: You're in the font config dialog. Select a smaller font. |
| 02:27.48 | karsten | kaiten4: What application? |
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| 02:28.02 | karsten | kaiten4: Sorry for being dense here, but I'm not seeing it and you're being more than vague. |
| 02:28.06 | badiane | karsten: calculator |
| 02:28.07 | kaiten4 | karsten: see it's already set to 10, but it is not a 10 |
| 02:28.13 | stew | kaiten4: what does "xdpyinfo | grep resolution" return? |
| 02:28.25 | kaiten4 | resolution: 131x132 dots per inch |
| 02:28.41 | stew | kaiten4: what size monitor and what resolution are you running? |
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| 02:28.57 | kaiten4 | 15" 1600x1200 |
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| 02:29.14 | karsten | kaiten4: *shrug* Pick something smaller then. You can set your screen DPI and all that fun stuff, I think through xrandr these days. |
| 02:29.36 | stew | well his dpi does seem reasonable |
| 02:29.50 | kaiten4 | usually when I've had this problem, gnome-settings-daemon would set the text right, but it doesn't start |
| 02:30.17 | karsten | kaiten4: There are still about three different ways to set font size: gnome, KDE, and X. I think gtk / gtk2 sitll has its own setting as well ~/.gtkrc, ~/.gtkrc-2.0). |
| 02:30.21 | karsten | usually sets fonts to about 8 |
| 02:30.35 | karsten | ... for apps, titles, icons, etc. Applications usually rate 10-12. |
| 02:30.40 | OUTsider | giving it a shot |
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| 02:30.56 | badiane | rien: what does your /etc/hosts file say and do a cat /etc/hostname |
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| 02:31.52 | kaiten4 | seriously guys it's too big for my resolution it should be tiny http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f17/DarkMoonDawn/?action=view¤t=Screenshot.png |
| 02:32.07 | badiane | rien: if your hostname file is empty put a hostname in it and run hostname -F /etc/hostname; log out and log back in |
| 02:32.14 | OUTsider | abrotman: for some reason vsftpd refuses to start, no errors at all |
| 02:32.14 | rien | k |
| 02:32.15 | rien | hold on |
| 02:32.23 | stew | dpkg: (((1200 / 132.0)**2) + ((1600/132)**2)) ** .5 |
| 02:32.23 | dpkg | 15.151515151515 |
| 02:32.32 | abrotman | OUTsider: i could tell you about unstable again ? |
| 02:32.32 | stew | yeah, i'd say that's close to 15 |
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| 02:33.12 | Viper550 | Is jpeg2000 non-free? |
| 02:33.12 | rien | hosts looks normal |
| 02:33.12 | OUTsider | abrotman: it doesn't even show that it's attempting to start, meaning the init.d script isn't even working right |
| 02:33.12 | rien | and so doest hostname |
| 02:33.13 | karsten | Viper550: jpeg2000 is WTF exactly? |
| 02:33.27 | Viper550 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_2000 |
| 02:33.35 | rien | localhost line, and the <ip> <fqdn> <hostname> line |
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| 02:34.49 | karsten | Viper550: NFC |
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| 02:35.05 | Viper550 | non-free content or no fscking clue? |
| 02:35.25 | karsten | Viper550: I'd suggest you look for jpeg2000 codecs and/or discussion about patents and licensing terms, particularly from FSF or linux.org |
| 02:35.32 | karsten | Viper550: Latter |
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| 02:40.26 | badiane | rien: what does id <username> show you |
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| 02:42.16 | badiane | OUTsider: do a netstat -tna | more and see if the port is being used |
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| 02:42.49 | badiane | OUTsider: check also /etc/default for vsftpd file. |
| 02:43.20 | OUTsider | badiane: turns out if you enable listen_ipv6 it won't work |
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| 02:43.29 | badiane | rien: was that all that was in your hosts file? |
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| 02:44.09 | badiane | OUTsider: ok. |
| 02:44.40 | abrotman | OUTsider: i think that ipv6 is blacklisted now |
| 02:45.29 | OUTsider | looks like it |
| 02:45.36 | OUTsider | at least I got a running ftp server now |
| 02:45.55 | OUTsider | yes, I *could* use scp instead, but that doesn't really work at the moment |
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| 02:46.18 | OUTsider | still dubbing if it's something with the hosting or the scp part |
| 02:46.28 | wulloce | I downloaded a Businesscard image and burn it to a CD-RW. When I try to use it for installation, it in the step 'Detect and Mount CD-ROM'. Where is the problem ? |
| 02:46.39 | OUTsider | as soon as like 300k get's scp'd the connection breaks |
| 02:46.42 | badiane | OUTsider: take a look at http://www.vsftpdrocks.org/ |
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| 02:52.12 | wulloce | I downloaded a Businesscard image and burn it to a CD-RW. When I try to use it for installation, it failed in the step 'Detect and Mount CD-ROM'. Where is the problem ? |
| 02:52.30 | abrotman | hardware too new perhaps ? |
| 02:52.48 | pablo | hi, is there a way to avoid a dependency? i mean forcing to not install it |
| 02:53.01 | wulloce | it is an old piece of hw. |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | pablo: you dont' want to do that |
| 02:53.30 | abrotman | wulloce: how old? does the CD drive have any other modes in the bios ? |
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| 02:53.53 | OUTsider | badiane: fixed it, you need to enable either listen OR listen_ipv6, not both :P |
| 02:53.55 | pablo | abrotman: is there a way? |
| 02:54.08 | badiane | OUTsider: nice. |
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| 02:56.56 | wulloce | abrotman: about 3 years old. I have used it to install my 'testing' system before. recently, after installing Vista, i tried to re-install grub with a binary-1 cd which I created about 3 years ago. I got " Kernel too old" error. so I burn a Businesscard cd to try the installation. Now I got this 'cannot detect and mount cd-rom' problem. |
| 02:58.08 | abrotman | wulloce: netinst of which? etch orlenny? |
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| 03:00.44 | wulloce | abrotman: lenny. |
| 03:01.32 | wulloce | abrotman: i use bussinesscard because in it smaller. shouldn't matter whether it is bussinesscard or netinst, right? |
| 03:01.42 | OUTsider | c ya |
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| 03:01.50 | abrotman | wulloce: nope .. technically shouldn't |
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| 03:20.59 | kurtisnelson | anyone? |
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| 03:39.31 | stew | deatos: wrong chanel... |
| 03:40.17 | dionysian | or not. |
| 03:40.22 | dionysian | you never know |
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| 03:54.10 | Subdolus | I'm trying to install Debian on my EEE from the small .img file |
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| 03:55.10 | Subdolus | am I doing something wrong, or can you only use ascii passphrases? |
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| 03:57.37 | bmoll8 | my server began having problems recently. When I power it up, everything is fine for about 3 seconds, then it abruptly shuts down again. Thinking this would be a psu issue, I purchased a new one; however, the problem persists. I cannot keep the computer running long enough to diagnose the issue from the bios. Is this a motherboard issue? |
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| 04:01.00 | nixfreak | where can I download glibc 2.4 for debian etch |
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| 04:02.07 | stew | nixfreak: you don't. you can upgrade to lenny which has 2.7 |
| 04:02.28 | Rusty1 | bmoll8: possibly a cpu overheat, try removing /cleaning/reapply thermal paste/ reseating and cleaning heatsink and checking cpu cooling fan operation |
| 04:02.32 | nixfreak | how painfull is it upgrading from etch to lenny |
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| 04:03.24 | Xunie | nixfreak, Would you rather be reinstalling and reconfiguring your system from scratch? |
| 04:04.03 | stew | nixfreak: its generally not painful, especially if you follow the recommended procedure (/msg dpkg etch->lenny) |
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| 04:05.24 | Xunie | stew, : |
| 04:05.32 | Xunie | !tell stew etch->lenny |
| 04:05.33 | nixfreak | oh I was going to apt-get update && upgrade |
| 04:05.36 | Xunie | !tell Xunie etch->lenny |
| 04:05.48 | Xunie | !tell etch->lenny stew |
| 04:05.51 | stew | nixfreak: that would not be recommended |
| 04:05.57 | stew | Xunie: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:06.18 | Xunie | trying to message you... Clearly doesn't work :/ |
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| 04:06.25 | stew | Xunie: why? |
| 04:06.32 | Xunie | Because |
| 04:06.36 | stew | Xunie: i'm quite familiar with the processof upgrading from etch to lenny |
| 04:06.40 | Xunie | I dunno, I just wanted... |
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| 04:07.12 | gaintsura | how can I use two drives in the same mountpoint, not to mirror the data, but to provide overflow from one to the other? |
| 04:07.46 | stew | gaintsura: have a look at lvm |
| 04:08.03 | nixfreak | whats the recommended way ? |
| 04:08.15 | stew | nixfreak: see chapter 4 of the release notes |
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| 04:08.35 | bmoll8 | Rusty1: cpu is clean |
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| 04:08.39 | stew | nixfreak: but the abriviated version is switch your seources to leny, then aptitude install aptitude ; aptitude safe-upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade |
| 04:08.43 | bmoll8 | cpu cooling operation is fine; fan works |
| 04:08.59 | nixfreak | all right thanks |
| 04:09.09 | gaintsura | stew: ? |
| 04:09.10 | stew | nixfreak: but i'd recommend looking at chapter 4 of the release notes |
| 04:09.18 | stew | gaintsura: yes? |
| 04:09.50 | gaintsura | with lvm? how can I do this with lvm? |
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| 04:10.44 | stew | gaintsura: pvcreate a volumne on both drives, create a volume group from the two using vgcreate, then allocate a logical volume on that volume group with lvcreate, then make a filesystem on that logical volume, which will appear in /dev/mapper |
| 04:11.13 | gaintsura | are all of those tools provided in the base system? |
| 04:11.20 | gaintsura | or do I need to apt-get? |
| 04:11.39 | stew | gaintsura: in the lvm2 package |
| 04:11.47 | Rusty1 | bmoll8: next would be to check memory by removing simms one at a time and see if it gets any farther |
| 04:11.59 | bmoll8 | Rusty1: just unplugged cpu and hard drives; same problem |
| 04:12.10 | bmoll8 | Rusty1: strong suspicion that the motherboard is borked; next I will remove the memory |
| 04:12.23 | bmoll8 | Rusty1: the mobo is 4+ years old; still, shouldn't it have lasted longer than this? |
| 04:12.38 | bmoll8 | I have heard of people running servers with the same equipment for more than 5 years or so |
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| 04:14.01 | bmoll8 | Rusty1: everything is unplugged except the motherboard; same problem as before |
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| 04:15.26 | gaintsura | thanks stew, *readin man pages* |
| 04:17.51 | gaintsura | stew: just to clarify (so I know I'm doing this right): pvcreate /dev/hdc /dev/hde would use both drives for lvm ? |
| 04:18.32 | Rusty1 | bmoll8: it does look like a mobo fault, only way to check would be to plug in second mobo with same psu |
| 04:20.13 | macman | can i talk about grml in here ? |
| 04:20.15 | Rusty1 | bmoll8: although i might try another ac cable just for the hell of it |
| 04:20.53 | bmoll8 | Rusty1: the cable is new as well :) |
| 04:21.08 | bmoll8 | when I plug in only the cpu and the os hard drive, I get one long beep when I restart |
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| 04:22.05 | thp | dmesg sees my digital camera but gtkam will say cannot intialize camera when I hit apply after it detects it |
| 04:22.17 | bmoll8 | Rusty1: http://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm |
| 04:22.22 | bmoll8 | Rusty1: one long beep indicates a short |
| 04:22.23 | thp | I tried setting a+w permissions to the usb device themselves |
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| 04:23.10 | Rusty1 | bmoll8: just check all your mobo connections is all i can recomend at this point |
| 04:24.00 | thp | can i run gtkam at root? it says no protocol when i try :( |
| 04:26.01 | Rusty1 | bmoll8: make sure nothing, even a dist bunny beneath the mobo in the case/rack |
| 04:26.16 | Rusty1 | *dust bunny |
| 04:26.42 | dionysian | i'm having trouble getting my usb headset to work. i've tried asoundconf set-default-card Headset |
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| 04:30.26 | bmoll8 | Rusty1: have already cleaned everything :) |
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| 04:42.30 | macman | anyone know a live cd that has scalpel ? grml isn't working |
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| 04:48.48 | gaintsura | if a drive is going to be used for/with LVM should it be a logical partition? or does it matter? |
| 04:49.55 | badiane | gaintsura: you said a drive to be used and then you mention a partition |
| 04:50.22 | gaintsura | right... because you have to at least create a single partition... |
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| 04:51.03 | badiane | gaintsura: yes. you would pvcreate the partition and then you would do the vgcreat and then you would do the lvcreate |
| 04:51.19 | macman | anyone know a live cd that has scalpel ? grml isn't working |
| 04:51.22 | badiane | gaintsura: what I mean is that you can either use the whole drive or a partition |
| 04:53.51 | badiane | macman: weren't you able to do a apt-get -f install scalpel |
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| 04:56.43 | dionysian | wow debian version of unrar is the slowest i've ever seen\ |
| 04:56.43 | badiane | dionysian: have you tried p7zip-rar |
| 04:56.48 | dionysian | no |
| 04:57.01 | dionysian | that doesn't explain why *this* is so slow |
| 04:57.05 | badiane | dionysian: I use 7z e <soft>.rar |
| 04:57.12 | badiane | true |
| 04:57.14 | dionysian | it's not like this on any other distro |
| 04:57.36 | badiane | hmmm |
| 04:57.38 | jetscreamer | one question might be 'which' unrar are you using |
| 04:58.15 | jetscreamer | the non-free in debian sources or the one from debian-multimedia ... least they used to be different |
| 04:58.36 | dionysian | i'd assume the non-free |
| 04:58.56 | jetscreamer | since you don't have debian-multimedia in sources eh |
| 04:59.38 | dionysian | right |
| 05:00.10 | dionysian | unrar 3.80 |
| 05:00.16 | jetscreamer | there used to be only rar in main and unrar in non-free.. iirc.. plus the marillat (nee debian-multimedia) |
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| 05:00.28 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 05:00.29 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 05:00.36 | dionysian | copyright alexander roshal |
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| 05:01.18 | jetscreamer | if you like non-free you should love debian-multimedia |
| 05:01.37 | dionysian | yeah, i've used that in the past, i think |
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| 05:01.58 | jetscreamer | he always has a later version of audio visual stuff |
| 05:02.08 | jetscreamer | also |
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| 05:05.14 | gaintsura | if I do vgcreate storage /dev/hde /dev/hdb can I later add /dev/hda4 to this group after data has been added on the lvm? |
| 05:05.59 | gaintsura | I'll shut up and read more of the man pages now |
| 05:07.44 | Tramp | gaintsura: yes. You can add PVs to a VG and then extend existing LVs of this VG |
| 05:08.00 | macman | guys .. does debian have a live cd ? |
| 05:08.15 | jetscreamer | !live cd |
| 05:08.15 | dpkg | An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own LiveCD (http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 05:08.28 | jetscreamer | !debian live |
| 05:08.28 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). |
| 05:09.47 | gaintsura | Tramp: =) I saw that, pvcreate /dev/hda4; vgextend storage /dev/hda4; lvextend storage /dev/hda4; right? |
| 05:10.20 | macman | guys .. i just want a live cd that i can install a piece of software to and get files back .. can you guys recommend something from the debian live cd list ? |
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| 05:10.39 | Tramp | gaintsura: something like that. I don't do it every day, so I would have to check the manpages as well. Better you do it. But it looks right |
| 05:11.05 | Tramp | gaintsura: the lvextend is probably wrong |
| 05:11.25 | macman | debian-live-500-i386-standard.iso < -- this is only 150 mb .. will this let me do an apt-get ? |
| 05:12.25 | macman | it does |
| 05:12.26 | macman | w00t |
| 05:12.45 | gaintsura | Tramp: would you mind doing 'man lvextend' and explain to me this: " With the + sign the value is added to the actual size of the logical volume and without it, the value is taken as an absolute one." means? |
| 05:13.30 | Tramp | gaintsura: if you already have 100 and want to add another 50, you use either "+50" or "150" |
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| 05:13.41 | gaintsura | O.o |
| 05:14.03 | gaintsura | if I don't specify it, it will just use the whole specified device path? |
| 05:14.32 | gpm | hi. i want to get the fonts on the bottom of debian.org (the international ones) to display the actual characters and not these boxes with weird strings in them. what packages do i need to install? |
| 05:15.18 | Tramp | gaintsura: hmm, apparently. I actually never extended a LV by giving the name of a PV to add. I always use extents or sizes. |
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| 05:15.58 | gaintsura | could you explain a bit? thanks for the help |
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| 05:16.45 | Tramp | gaintsura: after adding the PV I use "vgdisplay" to check the VG. It also shows allocated/free extents and size. Then I extend the LV with the values I want |
| 05:16.55 | gaintsura | ahh |
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| 05:20.20 | gaintsura | I'm assuming that /dev/mapper is the default location for lvm's but they can be specified to go elsewhere? |
| 05:22.26 | Tramp | gaintsura: no. It's /dev/mapper or (simultanously) /dev/<vg_name>/<lv_name>/. |
| 05:23.25 | gaintsura | oh |
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| 05:34.00 | bullgard4 | The File Hierarch Standard (FHS) says that /dev stores "Essential devices". What are 'essential' devices, and what are in contrast 'unessential' devices? |
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| 05:41.23 | Tramp | bullgard4: where do you read that? Where I checked it simply says "The /dev directory is the location of special or device files." |
| 05:42.06 | bullgard4 | Tramp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 05:42.31 | stew | bullgard4: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#DEVDEVICEFILES is the actual standard |
| 05:42.42 | Tramp | bullgard4: why don't you check the standard at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#DEVDEVICEFILES |
| 05:43.09 | bullgard4 | stew, Tramp: Thank you for commenting. |
| 05:43.38 | khaije1 | is there a way to assign apps to a particular net device? |
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| 05:46.18 | gpm | hi. i want to get the fonts on the bottom of debian.org (the international ones) to display the actual characters and not these boxes with weird strings in them. what packages do i need to install? |
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| 05:46.34 | jetscreamer | fonts |
| 05:46.46 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search font|less |
| 05:46.57 | jetscreamer | !fonts |
| 05:46.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis Ask me about <install font>. |
| 05:46.57 | gpm | ugh |
| 05:47.40 | jetscreamer | what a guy |
| 05:47.56 | jetscreamer | i wanted to do the same thing for the same reason ... not the same page though |
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| 05:53.23 | caimlas | does anyone happen to know if the default php-mysql package settings configures mysqli for use? I ask, because it was working yesterday w/ a drupal install, and isn't today. db itself checks out as accessible w/ the account used within drupal via the `mysql` command. |
| 05:53.48 | gaintsura | mounting an lvm.... mount /dev/mapper/storage-lvol0 /media/disk1 what file type? |
| 05:53.48 | caimlas | just curious why it might not be able to connect when it was able to do so yesterday. :-/ |
| 05:54.34 | gaintsura | caimlas: no I don't think so |
| 05:54.44 | caimlas | gaintsura, you don't think it's configured by default? |
| 05:54.55 | caimlas | gaintsura, well jeebus. wonder why it was working and isn't now, then. |
| 05:55.11 | gaintsura | sure you were using mysqli and not mysql? =) |
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| 05:57.35 | gaintsura | why does the LV size report as [8.00 MB] inherit? I wanted it to use the fullest extent of the volume group |
| 05:57.51 | caimlas | gaintsura, I'm not sure one way the other. I am, however, certain that I did not change anything - so if it's working, it should stay working, in theory. :-/ |
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| 06:04.11 | Agiofws | i have a problem with imagemagickS VERSION (6.2.4) on dreamhost.com on its version does not support some options can anyone help me with this issue ? can i download a newrer version of A convert binary ? on dreamhosts shell will that work ? does dreamhosts shell allow me to compile ? |
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| 06:05.29 | Glairen | jkl; |
| 06:05.30 | Glairen | p;'[ |
| 06:05.39 | Glairen | vbhnjh,.p |
| 06:05.41 | Glairen | o;l/[ |
| 06:05.41 | simonrvn | /kick Glairen |
| 06:05.42 | Glairen | lklo' |
| 06:05.43 | Glairen | ] |
| 06:05.54 | Glairen | sry. |
| 06:05.55 | gaintsura | caimlas: did anything update? |
| 06:06.12 | Glairen | crazy person all over my keyboard |
| 06:07.14 | gaintsura | the crazy person is probably you |
| 06:08.28 | simonrvn | gaintsura: mind reader |
| 06:08.32 | caimlas | gaintsura, um, I could look into it, but I didn't install/update anything additional, and haven't set up cron to do automatic updates. |
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| 06:11.01 | funyun | hi. can someone help me author a dvd with dvdauthor? i want to add chapters to a movie and make it playable in a standalone dvd player. |
| 06:12.17 | gaintsura | simonrvn: I'm also psycho |
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| 06:12.38 | gaintsura | caimlas: thats about the only thing I could think of, otherwise go through your configurations and ask ##php |
| 06:13.18 | simonrvn | gaintsura: hehe |
| 06:13.27 | simonrvn | i'm just crazy ;p |
| 06:14.50 | caimlas | gaintsura, hmm thanks. :-/ digging through that muck now. |
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| 06:19.39 | funyun | hi. can someone help me author a dvd with dvdauthor? i want to add chapters to a movie and make it playable in a standalone dvd player. |
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| 06:20.21 | gaintsura | simonrvn: they say theres a fine line between genius and insanity.. I frequently cross the line both ways |
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| 06:21.45 | caimlas | gaintsura, who said it had to be a mutual exclusion? |
| 06:21.59 | gaintsura | ?? |
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| 06:22.21 | Pulpie | is lenny stable now or is it still testing? |
| 06:23.17 | caimlas | gaintsura, you can be crazy and insane, if you'd like. no reason to switch modes. :) |
| 06:23.37 | caimlas | puff, been stable for a while. |
| 06:23.41 | cahoot | Pulpie: try /topic |
| 06:23.47 | gaintsura | crazy and insane, yes, but they are closely related |
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| 06:25.09 | Pulpie | cahoot: still doesn't say anything |
| 06:26.03 | Pulpie | cahoot: in fact it doesn't have any mention of any branch. and barely mentions lenny. |
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| 06:28.46 | gaintsura | anyone have any ideas on how to remove a directory loop? I had a symbolic link on a web app that went to ../shared which, in itself was in ./shared, when rm, cp and mv'ing files it creates /shared/shared/shared/shared/shared/ x20+ |
| 06:30.35 | Pulpie | change them into hardlinks? |
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| 06:30.51 | anoHito | hi guys, |
| 06:31.12 | anoHito | i need help on set up multiple IP on one NIC on debian |
| 06:31.28 | anoHito | i use eth0 at default |
| 06:31.38 | funyun | hi. can someone help me author a dvd with dvdauthor? i want to add chapters to a movie and make it playable in a standalone dvd player. |
| 06:31.45 | Pulpie | gaintsura: also have you just tried rming the symlink? |
| 06:31.52 | anoHito | so in my matter to add another IP on the same NIC, the google says i do not need to add gateway ? |
| 06:31.56 | cahoot | Pulpie: like this? lenny (debian 5.0.0) released!: /msg dpkg lenny |
| 06:32.00 | gaintsura | yes, does the same thing |
| 06:32.08 | anoHito | some posts says i need to set route thing ,i am so confused. |
| 06:32.31 | anoHito | anyone would be kind to help me with this ? |
| 06:32.37 | Pulpie | cahoot: still doesn't say if its testing or stable, it doesn't even define what release means |
| 06:32.39 | gaintsura | anoHito: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:32.53 | anoHito | gaintsura, hello,there |
| 06:33.06 | cahoot | Pulpie: not even the msg from dpkg? |
| 06:33.08 | Pulpie | cahoot: in freebsd "released" means that you can test it out |
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| 06:33.51 | Pulpie | cahoot: why would i msg a bot when all i did was ask a simple question and would like a quick reply like given anywhere on the internet, life or anywhere in between |
| 06:34.01 | ajavid | HELLOI |
| 06:34.04 | ajavid | HELLO |
| 06:34.05 | cahoot | Pulpie: right |
| 06:34.06 | ajavid | fuck |
| 06:34.08 | ajavid | sorry, hi |
| 06:34.10 | anoHito | gaintsura, hi, i need to band another IP on the same NIC |
| 06:34.12 | ajavid | damn keyboard |
| 06:34.26 | ajavid | whats goin on people |
| 06:34.30 | anoHito | gaintsura, my defalut one is being used is eth0 |
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| 06:37.10 | gaintsura | anoHito: so you need 2 ips on the same nic? |
| 06:37.17 | gaintsura | or you're trying to overwrite your current one? |
| 06:37.55 | karsten | anoHito: ifconfig eto0:1 some-i |
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| 06:38.12 | karsten | anoHito: aka i aliasing. |
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| 06:38.37 | anoHito | gaintsura, add another IP on the SAME NIC with the current working IP altogether |
| 06:38.46 | funyun | hi. linux noob here. can someone help me author a dvd with dvdauthor? i want to add chapters to a movie and make it playable in a standalone dvd player. |
| 06:38.48 | gaintsura | ah, see what karsten said |
| 06:38.59 | anoHito | karsten, not eth0:0 ? |
| 06:39.06 | karsten | hrm dead letter following o |
| 06:39.14 | Tramp | anoHito: ip addr add <IP> dev eth0 <--- with iproute2. Virtual interfaces are deprecated |
| 06:39.19 | karsten | anoHito: hatever. |
| 06:39.43 | anoHito | Tramp, cant i just edit /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 06:39.45 | karsten | anoHito: morethan one way to skin a cat. |
| 06:39.48 | anoHito | there i add them ? |
| 06:39.56 | gaintsura | funyun: 1) sorry, hate to say it, but I don't know anything 2) should only repeat every half hour or so =) have you tried asking in ##linux yet? maybe they can help or direct you to a better resource |
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| 06:40.23 | Tramp | anoHito: with interfaces you would either (1) need a virtual interface or (2) add an "up" or "post-up" line for the existing interface with the ip addr .... command I gave you |
| 06:40.25 | caimlas | gaintsura, are you running an apache2 server w/ php installed/configured, by chance? |
| 06:40.39 | gaintsura | yes |
| 06:40.41 | caimlas | gaintsura, I've got no "Configure Command" in my phpinfo () :-/ |
| 06:40.42 | funyun | giantsura: will try, thank you |
| 06:40.43 | gaintsura | and mysql =) |
| 06:40.51 | gaintsura | configure command? |
| 06:40.53 | caimlas | gaintsura, lenny? |
| 06:40.55 | gaintsura | no |
| 06:40.58 | gaintsura | etch |
| 06:41.08 | caimlas | gaintsura, should be roughly the same, I'd hope. :-/ |
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| 06:41.14 | gaintsura | more than likely. |
| 06:41.23 | caimlas | gaintsura, phpinfo() should look somewhat like this, right? http://hodgens.net/phpinfo.php |
| 06:41.28 | gaintsura | need a comparison phpinfo(); ? |
| 06:41.31 | caimlas | gaintsura, sure. |
| 06:41.48 | gaintsura | http://67.166.55.10/admin/info.php |
| 06:42.20 | anoHito | Tramp, yeah,i would do with the mothon of 'virtual interface' |
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| 06:42.59 | anoHito | Tramp, but for example, i add eth0:1 as the virtual interface, do i need to add gateway for it ? i googled,some people say No to this |
| 06:43.36 | caimlas | gaintsura, hmm. I've got to configure php in apache, too, don't I? |
| 06:43.41 | Tramp | anoHito: an "interface" has no gateway. Your typical setup has one default-gateway. |
| 06:43.48 | stew | anoHito: no, you can only have 1 default gateway per routing table |
| 06:44.34 | anoHito | Tramp, and stew ,thanks |
| 06:44.38 | anoHito | but its very strange |
| 06:44.45 | anoHito | i am currently talking to the datacentre too. |
| 06:44.48 | Tramp | anoHito: also note, that "gateway" and "default gateway" are not the same. You typically have one gateway defined, which is you default-gateway |
| 06:44.57 | caimlas | gaintsura, nm that. obviously php is working... |
| 06:45.04 | anoHito | they told me, No need to set up gateway on the NIC ,they do it on their side already. |
| 06:45.08 | anoHito | i can not understand it. |
| 06:45.26 | gaintsura | check the mysql and mysqli sections |
| 06:45.38 | caimlas | gaintsura, however, there are only 3 string instances of 'mysql' and they're all in the 'additional ini files parsed' section - ie, there are no mysql or mysqli sections. :-/ |
| 06:46.20 | anoHito | Tramp, the default gateway is a MUST to configure ? |
| 06:46.25 | stew | anoHito: your default gateway will already know how to route traffic to and from your new subnet on the virtual interface, so there is no need to use some other gateway |
| 06:46.38 | anoHito | means, there MUST be one or it is not a proper settings for the network ? |
| 06:46.46 | Tramp | anoHito: yes. You need a default-GW. |
| 06:46.58 | stew | anoHito: if you want to talk to the internet, you must have a default gateway. you probably already have one on eth0 |
| 06:47.01 | gaintsura | this would be better suited for ##php or #mysql caimlas I can help a bit more there when I get back |
| 06:47.10 | anoHito | well, can we guess out the value of that GW ,or it must be defined by the provider ? |
| 06:47.25 | caimlas | gaintsura, all righty. |
| 06:47.32 | anoHito | stew, yeah,i have one on eth0 already. |
| 06:47.38 | Tramp | anoHito: no. You can't guess. It's given. |
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| 06:47.51 | stew | its given and you can probably guess :) |
| 06:48.04 | stew | anoHito: it sounds like that's the only one you need |
| 06:48.05 | anoHito | oh |
| 06:48.34 | anoHito | but the datacentre says they use 2 different gateway for those 2 ips which are binded on the same NIC |
| 06:49.31 | anoHito | let me call them to make sure.brb. |
| 06:49.59 | stew | anoHito: do you need to be able to talk to the internet via either gateway? or is the gateway just a gateway to some other specific subnet? |
| 06:51.00 | anoHito | stew, it is hard to explain |
| 06:51.20 | stew | anoHito: try us |
| 06:52.04 | stew | anoHito: if you have a different gateway for the secondary ip, what is it a gateway TO? |
| 06:52.06 | anoHito | stew, the datacentre introduce 2 different ISPs in the same datacentre |
| 06:52.26 | simonrvn | anoHito: that's not unusual |
| 06:52.37 | stew | anoHito: you need multiple routing tables then, /msg dpkg split access |
| 06:52.44 | anoHito | they use DNS technology to determine the visitors' IP ,and give them the proper accessing pipe to get the fastest speeds. |
| 06:53.31 | anoHito | stew, hmm |
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| 06:53.35 | stew | anoHito: you DO need multiple default gateways then, and its not as simple as listing them in /etc/network/interfaces, see /msg dpkg split access |
| 06:53.45 | simonrvn | so they favour one or the other depending on location, do what stew said. |
| 06:53.59 | anoHito | simonrvn, i think so. |
| 06:54.46 | anoHito | they introduce 2 different ISPs like a and b, which are totally differnet ISPS,due to comerical purposes, either one access to anothe will be meeting a big delay |
| 06:55.14 | anoHito | the datacentre introduce both of them,wanting the end-user to have the best speeds,that it is. |
| 06:55.29 | anoHito | they told me they have already set them all up on their core router |
| 06:55.55 | anoHito | before we send our server to them,we only need to band 2 ips on the same NIC |
| 06:56.39 | simonrvn | we get it, go do it ;) |
| 06:56.46 | anoHito | then, resolve our DNS to them by adding a new cname that they've made it their side, dell all A record. |
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| 06:57.31 | nsadmin | are the two providers coming to you on the same wire? |
| 06:57.33 | anoHito | after that, when we access to the domain name on web, it will automatically determine the visitor's ip of which ISP they belong to,then give them the proper accessing pipe. |
| 06:57.38 | error404notfound | has anyone here compiled swfdec-mozilla? |
| 06:57.52 | nsadmin | error404notfound: yes. |
| 06:57.55 | nsadmin | you have. |
| 06:58.02 | error404notfound | me? |
| 06:58.03 | dominikh_ | :) |
| 06:58.08 | anoHito | nsadmin, wire ? |
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| 06:58.22 | nsadmin | so it's wireless? |
| 06:58.32 | anoHito | no,it is wire,actually |
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| 06:58.46 | nsadmin | so the question stands |
| 06:58.48 | error404notfound | I have a question, what should I give as plugins-home-dir to configure of swfdec? I can file ~/.mozilla/plugins or ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins or anything like that... |
| 06:59.19 | stew | error404notfound: why are you compiling it? |
| 06:59.24 | anoHito | nsadmin, it is like,banding mutipile internet pipe from different ISPs by using BGP4 technology,they use the troditinaly one, just provide 2 different IP adresses. |
| 06:59.26 | nsadmin | error404notfound: find out what they mean by that variable |
| 06:59.40 | error404notfound | stew: what else option do I have? |
| 06:59.54 | nsadmin | so the two IPs come in on the same wire? |
| 06:59.57 | error404notfound | nsadmin: its where mozilla/comptible browser's plugins are stored.. |
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| 07:00.03 | stew | error404notfound: aptitude install swfdec-mozilla |
| 07:00.25 | error404notfound | stew: its available in lenny? :P |
| 07:00.29 | simonrvn | error404notfound: usual place is ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 07:00.36 | stew | judd: versions swfdec-mozilla |
| 07:00.37 | error404notfound | I trief gnash, but videos aren't being played in firefox.. |
| 07:00.37 | judd | stew: swfdec-mozilla -- lenny: 0.6.0-5 sid: 0.8.2-1 squeeze: 0.8.2-1 |
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| 07:00.44 | stew | error404notfound: yes ^^ |
| 07:00.46 | nsadmin | error404notfound: you mean you didn't find out before you asked? |
| 07:00.51 | simonrvn | pats judd |
| 07:01.06 | error404notfound | nope... |
| 07:01.08 | error404notfound | :D |
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| 07:01.08 | nsadmin | judd, version pats |
| 07:01.09 | judd | nsadmin: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 07:01.13 | error404notfound | forgot about search D: |
| 07:01.22 | simonrvn | plural |
| 07:01.33 | nsadmin | judd, plural pats |
| 07:01.33 | judd | nsadmin: Error: "plural" is not a valid command. |
| 07:01.41 | simonrvn | no... |
| 07:01.49 | simonrvn | *headdesk* |
| 07:01.54 | nsadmin | no?? |
| 07:02.03 | simonrvn | LOL |
| 07:02.04 | stew | judd: danke |
| 07:02.04 | judd | stew: ne dankinde |
| 07:02.18 | stew | that was the command he was looking for |
| 07:02.23 | nsadmin | gives simonrvn an excedresk |
| 07:02.37 | simonrvn | thanks ;) |
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| 07:03.52 | simonrvn | error404notfound: it's ok you forgot, it happens, but it's usually good to do that because then you're more prepared to deal with your problem, and maybe even not have to come here to ask for help. |
| 07:03.59 | error404notfound | if I install swfdec-mozilla or mozilla-plugin-gnash, it should appear in about:plugins of iceweasel, right? |
| 07:04.02 | simonrvn | that i mean search |
| 07:04.11 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 07:04.21 | nsadmin | I like to tell people to keep everything they find out about something in a file |
| 07:04.24 | error404notfound | simonrvn: actually I am having a bad day, usually I am not this bad... |
| 07:04.35 | nsadmin | then if they do have to ask, they can then pastebin it |
| 07:05.33 | anoHito | stew, may i ask ? |
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| 07:05.34 | error404notfound | nothing appears in about:plugins of iceweasel. I am running lenny on arm in qemu in plain X and iceweasel. |
| 07:06.27 | anoHito | stew, you said i need mutiple route in my debian ,i am not really sure,but if it was,what it would be on a windows box ? i do not see there is route setting availble on windows matchine,i mean, sorry, mentioning windows...anyway that i can copy with it. |
| 07:06.36 | nsadmin | you're asking to ask :) why are you asking to ask? is it ok to ask to ask to ask? why or why not? |
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| 07:06.57 | stew | anoHito: i really don't know much about windows |
| 07:07.21 | flourish | hi, quick question. I found when invoke ping with -a switch, no sounds heard? why? |
| 07:07.58 | nsadmin | anoHito: seriously... multiple routes is doable but getting it right requires more than just the standard networking that for example is established upon a debian install |
| 07:08.04 | stew | but it robably involves right clicing on my neighboorhood places and going to properties, using some wizard, then wishing you didn't use the wizard, then turning of zonealarm |
| 07:08.23 | nsadmin | flourish: earwax!! |
| 07:08.31 | anoHito | nsadmin, gees. |
| 07:08.55 | error404notfound | installed swfdec-mozilla, still can play flash videos |
| 07:09.03 | nsadmin | you just need a bit more information to get it right |
| 07:09.20 | nsadmin | which I don't have... |
| 07:09.21 | simonrvn | nsadmin: that's a good idea |
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| 07:09.34 | firefoxusr | hi how does i firefox on debian? |
| 07:09.40 | nsadmin | simonrvn: the file thing? or the plural command? :) |
| 07:10.04 | nsadmin | firefoxusr: firefox ius called iceweasel |
| 07:10.10 | nsadmin | in debian that is |
| 07:10.12 | ajavid | hey |
| 07:10.17 | nsadmin | hay |
| 07:10.20 | ajavid | whats up |
| 07:10.30 | firefoxusr | oh ok |
| 07:10.30 | nsadmin | sky |
| 07:10.34 | firefoxusr | y it called iceweasel? |
| 07:10.38 | firefoxusr | wasnt firefox a gay enough name |
| 07:10.43 | ajavid | firefoxusr, /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 07:10.44 | nsadmin | legal problems |
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| 07:11.29 | nsadmin | firefoxusr: funny... firefox is part of your nick... |
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| 07:11.48 | simonrvn | nsadmin: hehe, the file thing |
| 07:12.22 | nsadmin | oh yeah, that idea is another form of having a website |
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| 07:13.03 | nsadmin | I guess you could do the same thing on a wiki |
| 07:13.09 | firefoxusr | exit |
| 07:13.39 | nsadmin | then you can just post a link and you don't need to pastebin |
| 07:13.59 | nsadmin | doesn't seem scalable to me |
| 07:14.15 | nsadmin | the file thing is scalable moreorless |
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| 07:15.28 | simonrvn | nsadmin: i use tomboy for stuff like that. i figure a local intranet wiki or note taker like that is good for interlinking ideas, brainstorms, flash thoughts |
| 07:15.45 | nsadmin | but the problem with having a file somewhere... is then you'd have to make sure they understood directory trees and pathnames |
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| 07:16.12 | nsadmin | at one time just joining here, you'd know they knew |
| 07:16.45 | nsadmin | is tomboy a java servlet? |
| 07:17.19 | simonrvn | no, a mono app, gnome based, but you can use it without gnome |
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| 07:20.05 | nsadmin | speaking of gnome... I'm looking for a recent version of gtk+ ported so it works directly to macosx display... found one but it was last updated 3 or 4 years ago |
| 07:20.59 | icenine | directly? what's wrong with OS X's X11 compatibility |
| 07:21.31 | nsadmin | a lot to download and install for plain mac user who doesn't generally deal with open stuff |
| 07:21.51 | nkuttler | their wm sucks |
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| 07:22.09 | icenine | harddrives are big and the amount of time it would take you to install the x11 compat package would be much less than the time it would take you to find your magic bullet |
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| 07:22.20 | nsadmin | perhaps... but that[s not my issue :) I just want to make solfege easy to install on a mac |
| 07:22.30 | nkuttler | nsadmin: #macosx ? |
| 07:22.30 | icenine | port it |
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| 07:22.41 | nsadmin | is there one? |
| 07:22.46 | nkuttler | sure |
| 07:22.55 | icenine | in soviet russia, mac installs you |
| 07:23.34 | nkuttler | nsadmin: although i'm not sure the people there would know about porting... try #fink or #darwinports maybe |
| 07:23.44 | nkuttler | er, macports these days |
| 07:23.53 | icenine | get a linux box |
| 07:23.54 | icenine | ;D |
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| 07:25.23 | nsadmin | dang, they're not talking right now on there |
| 07:25.50 | nkuttler | nsadmin: patience... |
| 07:28.34 | anoHito | stew, :( |
| 07:28.51 | anoHito | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:32.15 | anoHito | hmm |
| 07:32.20 | anoHito | i am not sure if can do it myself |
| 07:32.42 | anoHito | but the datacentre told me to just send the server to them,their technical guys will set them up for me |
| 07:33.07 | anoHito | that means, i need to give them the root access :( |
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| 07:33.27 | anoHito | what would you do if it was you ? |
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| 07:37.25 | error404notfound | I have a backup cron. Its output is so large that it can't be emailed in one go, about 290K. I have "/usr/bin/rdiff-backup -v5 --print-statistics backup@fileserver::/var/exports/ /var/backups/fs/ 2>&1> /root/backuplog" and I get "/bin/sh: Syntax error: redirection unexpected" in emails. |
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| 07:44.50 | marupa | Hi all, kinda dumb question...is there a way to, on installation, set up a software raid and then install? |
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| 07:48.04 | marupa | Anyone? |
| 07:48.37 | comradekingu | marupa: Try setting it up in BIOS. |
| 07:48.59 | marupa | Tried it, debian didn't see it for some reason, only the drives it consisted of. |
| 07:48.59 | nkuttler | marupa: /msg dpkg ig |
| 07:49.35 | marupa | nkuttler, eh? |
| 07:49.42 | nkuttler | !tell marupa about ig |
| 07:50.01 | marupa | ah. Yay for confusing backlogs in xchat. |
| 07:50.01 | comradekingu | marupa: CTRL+M during boot |
| 07:50.12 | comradekingu | Have to go now |
| 07:50.12 | marupa | was looking at week-old logs. |
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| 07:54.56 | zhangweiwu | Hello. I have to use ssh -L for some reason and want to use it as a system service, e.g. start it from inetd? |
| 07:55.33 | zhangweiwu | or are there special software that was designed for this purpose? (ssh login to another host & bridge when heard a connection) |
| 07:55.58 | nsadmin | there are people in #macports! |
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| 07:56.20 | anoHito | hi nsadmin |
| 07:56.24 | anoHito | can i ask you ? |
| 07:56.24 | nkuttler | nsadmin: it's probably the better place to ask anyway... after you have installed it |
| 07:56.52 | anoHito | nsadmin, is it possible in a datacentre there people dont have a clue to set up 2 gateay ,2 ip on the same NIC ? |
| 07:57.05 | anoHito | on debian ! |
| 07:57.26 | nsadmin | anoHito what's the interface name? |
| 07:57.42 | nsadmin | so you're saying it -is- coming in on the same wire |
| 07:57.48 | anoHito | nsadmin, i got the IP address, netmask ,gateway ,dns |
| 07:57.59 | anoHito | i just called them,but i am not sure if i should do it myself,or let them do it |
| 07:58.02 | anoHito | eth0 |
| 07:58.09 | nsadmin | aptitude install resolvconf |
| 07:58.25 | anoHito | what is that |
| 07:58.47 | nsadmin | it lets you put dns server info in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:59.53 | zhangweiwu | I got an answer myself: autossh (http://www.harding.motd.ca/autossh/) |
| 08:00.01 | anoHito | nsadmin, does that have anything to do with setting up 2 different gateway with 2 different ip on the same NIC ? |
| 08:00.15 | stew | anoHito: no, it doesn't |
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| 08:00.48 | anoHito | stew, i hope you are the admin in the datacentre,then i wouldn't worry about sending my server to them to configure them up. |
| 08:00.50 | anoHito | :D |
| 08:01.24 | stew | anoHito: let me give you my address, and you can send the server to me |
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| 08:01.38 | anoHito | i am very doubt that they can set it up for debian hmm although in the call that guy told me it wouldnt be problem that they have met many different OSs, unix linux and blah |
| 08:01.40 | nsadmin | I'll give you his address! |
| 08:02.04 | anoHito | stew, haha |
| 08:02.09 | nsadmin | then you can send the server to me ^W him! |
| 08:02.57 | nsadmin | nkuttler: yes, in fact they have a port of solfege |
| 08:03.13 | nkuttler | nsadmin: :) |
| 08:03.20 | nsadmin | which is my end result need |
| 08:03.34 | anoHito | stew, but afterall,it would be a big shame that the engineers are not capable of doing it for me in a datacentre :( |
| 08:03.59 | simonrvn | they'd be out of a job if they couldn't |
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| 08:04.13 | anoHito | oh |
| 08:04.14 | nsadmin | well they will probably want you to pay an hourly rate for them to do that |
| 08:04.22 | stew | you'd be suprised at some of the incompetent people I talk to at datacenters |
| 08:04.25 | simonrvn | is ever the pragmatic idealist |
| 08:04.58 | simonrvn | stew: i wrote that, but i was thinking "yeh well you never know" |
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| 08:05.25 | stew | i had one the other day telling me that it would not be uncommon for a single badblocks process to cause a load of > 50, since you can have a load higher than the number of running processes |
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| 08:06.00 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 08:06.11 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 08:06.13 | stew | well |
| 08:06.48 | simonrvn | sure it could cause a load avg like that, but you have deeper issues then ;) |
| 08:06.57 | stew | his explanation was that he thought that a drive failed and the raid controller it was attached to was buggy, so the raid controller didn't know that the raid array was degraded and that's why the one process was causing a really high load |
| 08:07.50 | stew | simonrvn: his deeper issue was that he was running badblock on the same drive as the partition that an apache server of several very busy sites was serving from |
| 08:08.29 | simonrvn | o.m.f.g. |
| 08:08.33 | ajavid | lol |
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| 08:09.07 | stew | he swears he turned off apache and backblocks was the only thing running, but the access logs tell a different story |
| 08:09.16 | huwenfeng | i wonder, does aptitude and apt-get the same thing? |
| 08:09.17 | stew | badblocks* |
| 08:09.21 | ajavid | huwenfeng, no |
| 08:09.28 | ajavid | huwenfeng, well yes but aptitude does much more |
| 08:09.29 | simonrvn | not at all |
| 08:09.50 | ajavid | huwenfeng, /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 08:09.59 | stew | missing a verb |
| 08:10.01 | simonrvn | apt-get is proof of concept, and aptitude is a tool :P |
| 08:10.12 | anoHito | hi stew ,i plan to just send my server to the datacentre, test if they can set it all up for my server,if they can, the chinese network engineer is not that bad :D |
| 08:10.12 | ajavid | heh |
| 08:10.16 | ajavid | simonrvn, nicely put |
| 08:10.28 | ajavid | simonrvn, missing a verb? |
| 08:10.31 | ajavid | I mean stew |
| 08:11.16 | huwenfeng | oh, good, |
| 08:12.46 | Piet | Hi. I've got a dedicated server setup with 1 xen Dom0 and 1 DomU. Networking is setup and basically everything works, but I have ~25% packet loss on inbound connections, and those go away when i have outbound connections at the same time. |
| 08:12.52 | Piet | could someone help me diagnose this? |
| 08:13.04 | Piet | i guess i should pastebin my network config? |
| 08:13.57 | Piet | my isp suggests i should check whether the server acepts incoming arp requests. I don't know why that matters nor how to check and which setting would be correct. |
| 08:14.06 | Piet | i have enabled arp proxying on the dom0, as found in a xen how-to |
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| 08:19.58 | CosmicB | I'm sitting in norway working on a server in Thailand. It's so freakin' slow I can't believe it. Is anybody here f.exampe sitting in Thailand or nearby and experiencing the same thing over to Europe ? |
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| 08:23.54 | CosmicB | I'm thinking mabye I could route my traffic via some router giving me a better connection .. (?) |
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| 08:25.19 | pranith | hello, im using lenny. there is a package called gvfs in the repos. is it the same gvfs for file transfers? how do i activate it? |
| 08:25.22 | pranith | !gvfs |
| 08:26.09 | inckie | Where can i get a debian image with 2.4 kernel? |
| 08:26.26 | avu | inckie, linux 2.4 is not supported by debian anymore |
| 08:26.39 | inckie | avu but i need it |
| 08:27.01 | avu | "tough luck" :( |
| 08:27.25 | inckie | there must be someone who still got a mirror with 2.4 :( |
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| 08:29.05 | Piet | CosmicB: it's unlikely that you can influence how your traffic is routed, unless you control the routers |
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| 08:29.19 | nkuttler | pranith: apt-cache show package, apt-get install foo, /usr/share/doc/foo |
| 08:29.52 | Piet | CosmicB: you can, however, proxy your connection through a server which is located between those servers, hoping you may get a different, and possibly better, route |
| 08:30.03 | omry | got a dependency error when trying to install sun-java6-jre on lenny: http://pastebin.ca/1372722 any idea? |
| 08:30.21 | CosmicB | Piet : yes |
| 08:30.26 | Piet | CosmicB: but usually if the connection is bad that's because of one of the end points, and you won't be able to fix that this way. |
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| 08:31.02 | Piet | CosmicB: in any case, make sure you do some tracerouting in both directions to determine where the bottleneck really sits. |
| 08:31.19 | CosmicB | Piet : yes, good call |
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| 08:35.20 | nkuttler | omry: did you try what the error suggests? |
| 08:35.35 | omry | nkuttler, I did now and it fixed it. why did it happen? |
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| 08:36.49 | nkuttler | omry: incomplete dist-upgrade? who knows.. |
| 08:37.05 | omry | it's a freshly installed system |
| 08:37.15 | omry | never had a single dist upgrade. |
| 08:37.28 | omry | I am asking because I am going to install 4 more of those |
| 08:37.49 | nkuttler | omry: well, now that you fixed it it's kind of hard to analyze the error |
| 08:37.52 | nsadmin | OK, good enough... thanks |
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| 08:41.17 | vinc456 | what is wrong with the following?: od -An -N88 -i /dev/urandom | sort -n |
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| 08:41.54 | vinc456 | i would like to keep the cpu busy and sort some random numbers |
| 08:42.04 | omry | nkuttler, okay.. if it happens again in the next one I`ll ask you again |
| 08:42.08 | omry | thanks |
| 08:42.51 | vinc456 | also is there a better channel where i can ask this sort of thing? |
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| 08:44.21 | cast | vinc456: why do you want to keep the cpu busy *and* sort some random numbers? |
| 08:45.11 | karsten | vinc456: kernel compiles should keep the kernel busy. |
| 08:45.45 | Piet | cpuburn, too |
| 08:46.02 | karsten | vinc456: There's also the cerberus test suite or something similar from VA Linux originally which ran a bunch of HW-specific tests, incluing a cpu burn IIRC. Or there's a standalone cpuburn utlity. |
| 08:46.07 | karsten | Piet: Right. |
| 08:46.13 | cast | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null will max out a cpu finely enough, reading and sorting 88 bytes probably not |
| 08:46.42 | vinc456 | i want to examine what is going on with top while sorting, and also show an example of a disk-based sort |
| 08:47.24 | vinc456 | once you started sorting enough numbers sort will start creating sorted files on disk |
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| 08:48.39 | enouf | heh, run 'updatedb' too .. |
| 08:48.47 | stopfocus | hello |
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| 08:50.18 | stopfocus | can some one here answer a question about ram? |
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| 08:52.43 | cast | depends. |
| 08:53.07 | Piet | stopfocus: yes, i'm sure someone can. but you should better ask it and find out. |
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| 08:53.22 | stopfocus | this is true |
| 08:53.37 | stopfocus | how do you determine how much you can use? |
| 08:53.49 | cast | free -m perhaps |
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| 08:54.42 | stopfocus | Ill phrase that question better, How can you tell what the max amount of ram you can install on your somputer |
| 08:54.46 | stopfocus | computer* |
| 08:54.54 | cast | read the motherboard manual |
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| 08:57.01 | stopfocus | ok so the limiting factor is the type of motherboard? |
| 08:57.27 | vinc456 | actually i'm less interested in keeping the cpu busy than showing an example of showing an example of how the computer can sort more data than it has memory. in this case "sort -n /dev/urandom &" works fine but is there any way to convert the intermediate files into integers? |
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| 08:57.51 | vinc456 | if you run the command, wait for a moment and type "ls", many sortxxxx files will be generated |
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| 08:58.24 | Piet | stopfocus: the limiting factor is the number of memory banks, the bios, the bridges' bandwidth, and more, so basically yes, the motherboards. |
| 08:58.37 | vinc456 | most of the files look like garbage but it would nice to have some human-readable output |
| 08:58.52 | Piet | oh, power supply is a limiting factor, too |
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| 09:01.54 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
| 09:02.49 | enouf | stopfocus: not necessarily - but dmidecode can help as well as mobo manual, etc |
| 09:03.04 | AlexC_ | is there any easier (read, shorter) way of configuring many IP addresses in /etc/network/interfaces? We have quite a big subnet range that an interface will have, going to be a pita to add them in 1 by one. Is there no way I can just give it something like w.x.y.z/26 ? |
| 09:03.06 | Trewas | vinc456: does that command actually finish? sorting infinite amount of data should take a while |
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| 09:03.38 | vinc456 | Trewas: probably not |
| 09:05.51 | enouf | stopfocus: IOW, there's a limit to amount of RAM that can be used per process, this is more/most noticeable on 32bit x86 (according to kernel config - and then there are also workarounds (PAE)) - the kernel also has limitations, as well as your 40bit CPU (yes, the ones that claim they are 64bit) |
| 09:06.26 | Trewas | vinc456: but in general it would be easy to make an algorithm which can sort more data than there is memory, for example sort small amount of data at a time, store sorted results to files, and finally combine the data in sorted files |
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| 09:07.42 | enouf | AlexC_: one possible way is a bash script using the seq command as well |
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| 09:09.59 | vinc456 | Trewas: yep, i'm presenting an example of virtual memory to the class and i thought this might be a good demonstration. normally i don't think this is a very good idea |
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| 09:10.54 | enouf | heh, echo 100 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 09:10.56 | huwenfeng | hi, i want to retrieve exactly one package: postfix, how can i do that without downloading other dependency packages? |
| 09:11.09 | huwenfeng | aptitude install --download-only postfix |
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| 09:11.27 | huwenfeng | this command just download all the dependencies of postfix! |
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| 09:11.43 | nicon- | Hello. |
| 09:11.52 | nicon- | Is there any cd to install debian with kde-4.2? |
| 09:11.54 | enouf | you can use -R for not grabbing Recommends, otherwise use wget and pdo |
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| 09:12.24 | nicon- | (i mean installation cd) |
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| 09:13.59 | nsadmin | nicon-: versions of things are generally tied to the version of debian you have... other than that, later versions might be in backports. |
| 09:14.25 | nsadmin | the netinstall cds don't have any graphics stuff at all |
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| 09:14.43 | nsadmin | so you can pick what you want from the net after that |
| 09:14.44 | nicon- | so... If I want kde4.2 I need just install fresh system and then install for this kde4.2? ;] |
| 09:14.54 | nicon- | nsadmin: yeah, I know. |
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| 09:15.20 | nicon- | But I want to i choose kde-4.2 in time of installing. |
| 09:15.41 | nsadmin | assuming 4.2 is available (that is, built for, packaged and made available) |
| 09:15.42 | enouf | go ask #debian-kde |
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| 09:16.28 | nicon- | kk, thanks :) |
| 09:16.32 | enouf | 4.2 surely isn't anywhere less than sid - maybe even exp ... have fun |
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| 09:16.41 | nicon- | it's in exp. |
| 09:17.17 | nsadmin | which have a small chance of working with whatever you have... |
| 09:17.30 | nsadmin | you might have to build the packages for what you're running |
| 09:17.52 | nicon- | nsadmin: I worked with kde-4.1 for 2mo, and with kde-4.2 for 1mo, and it worked fine. |
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| 09:18.02 | nicon- | but then kde team has crashed everything ;] |
| 09:18.24 | nsadmin | not sure I understand... |
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| 09:19.35 | nicon- | Never mind :) |
| 09:19.42 | nicon- | g2g, bye all :) thanks for help. |
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| 09:22.06 | ghoster | my debian 5 installation seems to keep losing the ability to write in Capitals :p after about 30 mins, it just stops being able to write stuff in capitals... then i have to reboot and the ability comes back.... ideas? |
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| 09:22.36 | enouf | your caps lock is on a timer? |
| 09:23.33 | enouf | your SHIFT keys stop working? |
| 09:24.02 | enouf | is this in X or Console? and which bloated DE? |
| 09:24.23 | enouf | and stop rebooting! |
| 09:24.31 | rzzii | lol |
| 09:24.50 | ghoster | enouf, third time now, my SHIFT key and CAPLOCKS both just dont function |
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| 09:25.54 | herakles | Hi, I'm trying to customize logwatch for sending emails to a remote email account. I've changed "MailTo" variable under /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/ and nothing changed, I've copied logwatch.conf to /etc/logwatch/conf/ and changed variable there. But no luck. It still sends mails to local account. Is there anything else can i do? |
| 09:26.06 | enouf | ghoster: when that occurs, try run 'setxkbmap cc' (where cc is country code - so 'us' for USA) if you mean in X, which you haven't answered |
| 09:26.42 | ghoster | enouf, Ok... |
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| 09:27.19 | enouf | ghoster: also - when it works run xmodmap -pk > keys-working ; then when it breaks run xmodmap -pk > keys-broken - then diff the files |
| 09:27.44 | ghoster | enouf, hmmm ok |
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| 09:28.00 | enouf | ghoster: also - if anything restart your X / DE session ... stop rebooting |
| 09:28.44 | enouf | ghoster: pastebin contents of cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 09:28.55 | nsadmin | for a person to stop rebooting, he has to trust the stability of the underpinning |
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| 09:29.27 | enouf | ghoster: also when it occurs use CTRL+ALT+F1 log in and try |
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| 09:30.00 | enouf | (that'd be Console) ghoster - hit ALT-F7 to return to X |
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| 09:30.52 | enouf | ghoster: is that a USB keyboard? does any other keys stop functioning? |
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| 09:31.41 | nsadmin | ghoster: a story: one summer I was managing a lab where the server was up for like 3 months, during which time it was doing dns, ftp, ssh, multiple x client sessions, more... as I said, just a story, about how linux could be used |
| 09:31.44 | ghoster | enouf, whoa... information.... |
| 09:32.07 | ghoster | enouf, ummm ill pastebin the xorg conf and its a USB wireless kb... |
| 09:32.31 | _Pete_ | Hello All! If I want debian5.0 with KDE 3.x, what's the recommended way to install? |
| 09:32.56 | rzzii | ghoster: does your keyboard have bateries? |
| 09:32.59 | enouf | ghoster: wireless USB as in Bluetooth? i don't play much with gadgets |
| 09:33.13 | ghoster | rzzii, yes... replaced |
| 09:33.17 | rzzii | k |
| 09:33.20 | ghoster | enouf, RF i would say |
| 09:33.35 | ghoster | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.13 | enouf | Infrared? or ... i'd think there's a specific protocol - specific RF range it's allowed to use |
| 09:34.57 | ghoster | enouf, no idea |
| 09:35.03 | enouf | ghoster: into a Laptop? .. do you have other keyboards you can try? |
| 09:35.28 | enouf | ghoster: well dmesg will mention BT things if they're loaded |
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| 09:36.37 | enouf | ghoster: also man xev - and check also in Console as i asked |
| 09:36.49 | enouf | and man showkey |
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| 09:38.33 | tetonca | hah |
| 09:38.49 | tetonca | good calls, all. |
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| 09:41.09 | dirkson | Hey all. Anyone know a good, dark background gtk/gtk2 theme I can install? |
| 09:41.18 | enouf | herakles: does dpkg-reconfigure logwatch call up the debconf for it? |
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| 09:42.07 | enouf | dirkson: go to the hardware store, buy a can of black spray paint? :-P |
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| 09:42.48 | dirkson | enouf: Don't think that'd have quite the right effect. |
| 09:42.50 | enouf | dirkson: make it Flat or Matte .. not Semi-Gloss though .. O_o |
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| 09:46.12 | dirkson | enouf: It's a lot easier to read bright text on a black background, for me. I've already changed my terminals and my non-gtk programs. I just can't figure out the right package to provide me with a black-background gtk theme in debian. I found a couple online, but they don't have any install instructions. |
| 09:48.19 | herakles | enouf, No. But the problem was in cron file: "/usr/sbin/logwatch --mailto root" |
| 09:48.51 | herakles | I don't know why "--mailto" added there. Because it overrides the conffiles. |
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| 09:49.31 | simonrvn | dirkson: i find so too |
| 09:49.57 | simonrvn | dirkson: you won't find any in debian, gnome-look.org does |
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| 09:50.37 | dirkson | simonrvn: Yeah, but if I download them from elsewhere, how do I install the silly things? |
| 09:52.48 | Acer__ | http://www.go2linux.org/gnome-theme-customize |
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| 09:53.35 | Acer__ | maybe i use kde |
| 09:53.50 | Acer__ | and google :) |
| 09:55.06 | Acer__ | http://www.go2linux.org/gnome-theme-customize dirkson |
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| 09:57.36 | dirkson | Acer__: I'm not installing gnome just to change themes. I wonder what program they're using, perhaps I can get it separately |
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| 09:58.14 | omid8bimo | activating SELinux.. god helps!!! |
| 09:58.22 | enouf | herakles: check the pkg's .postinst script .. also check your /etc/syslog.conf setting |
| 09:58.41 | enouf | herakles: take a peek into /etc/default/* as well |
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| 09:58.58 | vinc456 | hmm ok i was just playing around with my window manager and i actually changed it to twm, which i don't know how to use, is there a command i can run to switch back? |
| 09:59.05 | Acer__ | dirkson: have you read the link? Once you have downloaded the file, you need to go to menu: |
| 09:59.08 | Acer__ | Desktop -> Preferences -> Theme |
| 09:59.10 | Acer__ | for Debian, and I think |
| 09:59.15 | enouf | dirkson: no idea - try irc.gnome.org? |
| 09:59.17 | Acer__ | Desktop -> Preferences -> Appearance for Distros with newer Gnome version |
| 09:59.40 | zeeble | heya.. any of you guys know of a netinstall image that works with dell 1525 series laptops? |
| 09:59.43 | dirkson | Acer__: Did you read my reply? I'm not installing gnome just to change my themes. Putting it on and back off my system is way, way too much work for something so simple. |
| 09:59.44 | enouf | ph |
| 09:59.49 | enouf | er oh |
| 10:00.12 | zeeble | i got an image.. but it doesnt seem to recognize my hard disk.. even after putting in diff sata drivers |
| 10:00.12 | herakles | enouf, I've solved my problem by changing cron file to mail my remote account. I just don't know why debian choosed static "MailTo" parameter. |
| 10:00.13 | Acer__ | oh you have no gnome installed ... dirkson now i get it |
| 10:00.20 | enouf | theme == simple ? bwahahaha |
| 10:00.24 | dirkson | Acer__: Yes! Aye. |
| 10:00.31 | dirkson | enouf: Apparently not. O.O |
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| 10:00.44 | zeeble | theme? gnome? |
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| 10:01.17 | dirkson | zeeble: GTK. Which I'm beginning to suspect is, in fact, gnome-related. |
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| 10:01.31 | zeeble | dirkson: heh. lots of dependencies, yeh |
| 10:02.11 | enouf | zeeble: whhich netinstall? |
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| 10:02.46 | zeeble | enouf: well, any netinstall image will do, as long as it can see my hdd. so i can do a base install, and then move over to stable/testing or any tree later |
| 10:02.58 | enouf | image? you have burned ISO to cd? |
| 10:03.43 | zeeble | enouf: yes. i burnt the one i downloaded.. the latest testing netinstall iso. and booted. i went through that part of install that configures the network.. when it comes to the partitioner, it barfs |
| 10:03.49 | enouf | zeeble: which exact netinstall image do you have/use?? |
| 10:03.53 | zeeble | wait |
| 10:04.14 | enouf | pk |
| 10:04.21 | enouf | er ok |
| 10:04.24 | zeeble | :p |
| 10:04.57 | zeeble | enouf: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ the 180mb netinstall image |
| 10:05.19 | zeeble | debian-500-i386 netinst.iso |
| 10:05.24 | enouf | herakles: because your MTA and syslog.conf are setup that way? |
| 10:06.01 | enouf | zeeble: so - describe this barfing .. in exact terms - i'll be back soon |
| 10:06.43 | zeeble | geez.. you want me to take a dump into a file, or what? the netinstall doesnt recognize my sata laptop controller perhaps. and says no disk available for partitioning |
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| 10:12.22 | inckie | zeeble try change sata mode in your bios |
| 10:12.37 | zeeble | inckie: from what to what? |
| 10:12.50 | zeeble | and .. i dont want my windows install to get affected.. |
| 10:13.11 | inckie | zeeble normally it only has 2 modes |
| 10:13.22 | inckie | trial and error |
| 10:13.23 | zeeble | k. will check that out |
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| 10:13.27 | zeeble | :) ok |
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| 10:20.53 | Xenguy | Hi - gpg Q. I have a file that was encrypted with a 2nd key I use at work. Now the work instance of gpg is not working, so I'm at home and want to specify that gpg use the work key to decrypt the file. Does anyone know the proper invocation on the command-line? (I can't seem to find the way to do this) |
| 10:21.06 | Adrian` | how do i install gnome themes? |
| 10:24.01 | Zyferus | Friggen Debian made a mess out of apache, now i can;t get Virtual Name-servers to work |
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| 10:25.00 | cast | Xenguy: it'll automagically select the right key, if you have it in your keyring |
| 10:25.23 | midkniht | anyone ever use skype? |
| 10:25.29 | up365 | Adrian, System-Preferences-Appearance from the drop down menu |
| 10:25.32 | Xenguy | cast: so just import the secring.gpg file to my keyring? |
| 10:25.33 | enouf | zeeble: could pass the installer "libata.atapi_enabled=1" at boot prompt - prepend it with your installation mode - or "installgui generic.all_generic_ide=1" |
| 10:25.47 | midkniht | wondering if you can use other clients in linux to connect to skype people |
| 10:25.53 | zeeble | let me try that, enouf |
| 10:25.55 | enouf | zeeble: nobody cares about windows ... |
| 10:25.59 | Xenguy | midkniht: try ekiga (uses SIP protocol) instead, as skype is proprietary |
| 10:26.14 | zeeble | enouf: i am sure that is what you think. but please do not say "nobody" |
| 10:26.16 | midkniht | ahh thats exactly what i was wondering Xenguy |
| 10:26.32 | Adrian` | up365, but it's daything they are not theme packages |
| 10:26.32 | midkniht | i didnt want to install skype |
| 10:26.35 | enouf | point |
| 10:26.43 | Xenguy | midkniht: tho I actually don't know if it interoperates with skype |
| 10:26.53 | Xenguy | sorry |
| 10:26.55 | midkniht | cant talk to skype users without thier client at all? |
| 10:27.09 | midkniht | thats what im trying to figure out |
| 10:27.20 | midkniht | go to skype channel and they just say install their client |
| 10:27.23 | up365 | Adrian, wtf is daything? |
| 10:27.24 | midkniht | im like umm no |
| 10:27.29 | enouf | zeeble: also /msg dpkg laptop - follow URLS, find make/model and Debian installations |
| 10:27.30 | Xenguy | midkniht: that's what you need to find out (I missed that part of your question at first) |
| 10:28.02 | zeeble | enouf: i have earlier installed ubuntu/fedora in this and it works fine. its just that the netinstall isnt working |
| 10:28.09 | midkniht | figured if #deb didnt know, i didnt trust the others |
| 10:28.10 | midkniht | heh |
| 10:28.21 | enouf | zeeble: is that a very recent model Dell? |
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| 10:28.55 | zeeble | enouf: well, not very recent. inspiron 1525. close to a year old i think |
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| 10:30.24 | enouf | zeeble: IINM, the installer might be missing a few select sata_ modules, i forget exactly which one, and there was a pata_marvell and ahci issue not too long ago - since resolved prior to lenny release though |
| 10:30.26 | replman | Hi! I need libgfortran1, but only libgfortran2 and 3 are available. I also tried to use a symbolic link from .2 to .1, but then i get an error: undefined symbol: _gfortran_copy_string |
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| 10:30.56 | zeeble | enouf: might be.. but when i try to insmod frm the list of modules.. even the one i know applies to my laptop, it stalls |
| 10:31.11 | enouf | zeeble: which sata controller does your HDD use? and if AHCI mode is avail in BIOS, i would try that |
| 10:31.35 | zeeble | enouf: maybe i'll try putting the latest sata driver from dell on a usb and try modprobing |
| 10:31.43 | enouf | zeeble: insmod ? grub? use modprobe -- which module? |
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| 10:33.59 | enouf | zeeble: the module needs it's depends loaded as well - man depmod - modinfo <sata_still_unknown> |
| 10:34.06 | icefusion11 | yo |
| 10:34.13 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.37 | zeeble | yeah.. doing that |
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| 10:35.06 | enouf | spooky ... phantom controller |
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| 10:37.45 | zeeble | ubuntu shows it as SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA AHCI Controller (rev 02) |
| 10:37.48 | zeeble | in lspci |
| 10:38.16 | enouf | so modprobe ahci which depends on libata |
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| 10:39.55 | enouf | is there also some Marvell controller onboard for CD/DVD maybe? (see my ahci + pata_marvell comment) -- possible conflict? there's a bug on BTS about it all |
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| 10:41.08 | enouf | zeeble: which kernel version is the ubuntu ? |
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| 10:57.54 | izua | is there a terminal DC++ client for linux? |
| 10:57.56 | izua | I can't find one |
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| 11:01.52 | jelly | izua: apt-cache search 'direct connect' ? |
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| 11:03.45 | AnyFile | I need plib version >= 1.8.5 but in lenny I have version 1.8.4. Can I find a newer version in backport? Or what can I else do? |
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| 11:04.37 | jelly | AnyFile: why do you need it? |
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| 11:05.06 | jelly | judd: versions libplib1 |
| 11:05.07 | judd | jelly: libplib1 -- experimental: 1.8.5-2 |
| 11:05.24 | AnyFile | to compile a program |
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| 11:05.45 | AnyFile | But how can I install a package from experimental in lenny? |
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| 11:05.55 | jelly | AnyFile: backport it, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 11:06.10 | Rishab | hellow all |
| 11:06.20 | jelly | AnyFile: instead of a sid deb-src line, use a dec-src line for experimental |
| 11:06.47 | AnyFile | Thanks jelly |
| 11:06.48 | Rishab | can any one tell me how could I run oracle10g in my debian OS |
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| 11:07.36 | Rishab | jelly |
| 11:07.42 | jelly | Rishab: yes? |
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| 11:08.18 | Rishab | can you tell me how could I get the oracle for debian jelly |
| 11:08.26 | jelly | Rishab: I can't. |
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| 11:10.27 | Rishab | Then how is it possible to run oracle database in debiam |
| 11:10.32 | Rishab | Then how is it possible to run oracle database in debian OS |
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| 11:11.32 | nsadmin | install oracle first |
| 11:12.37 | Rishab | nsadminthats what I require for debian I have for RPM (i guess ) |
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| 11:16.37 | jelly | Rishab: have you tried googling or metalink? Is Debian even a supported OS? |
| 11:18.05 | Rishab | jellyyeah I did that already but the procedure they mentioned were not working in my case. |
| 11:19.23 | jelly | this channel likely won't be much help, as there's no support for third party packages here. In any case, when asking for tech. assistance, it's better to provide complete information. |
| 11:19.41 | jelly | !tell Rishab about smart questions |
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| 11:24.47 | |viracocha| | hi all |
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| 11:25.12 | |viracocha| | i want to advise that today |
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| 11:26.12 | |viracocha| | i'm having some problem with update of package openoffice |
| 11:26.20 | |viracocha| | 6 package corrupt openoffice |
| 11:26.25 | |viracocha| | this in lenny |
| 11:26.41 | abrotman | |viracocha|: paste the output in a pastebin |
| 11:26.48 | |viracocha| | ok |
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| 11:27.21 | orioni | hi there , i have 2 isp and i want to loadsharing between them. is this doable ? can you provide a link/tutorial ? |
| 11:27.28 | gunkamanti | hi, how can i find out what OS a machine on a certain IP is running? i'm not sure it's my own debian machine... |
| 11:27.42 | orioni | gunkamanti: nmap |
| 11:28.01 | gunkamanti | orioni: thx! |
| 11:28.29 | abrotman | !bonding |
| 11:28.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bonding is making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source, or the documentation in the ifenslave package See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/350 for some general info (beware, it's older, note the Date) |
| 11:28.36 | abrotman | oh .. not that huh ?> |
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| 11:29.09 | |viracocha| | uhm sorry but i use synpatic for update |
| 11:29.09 | abrotman | thinks keta_ has been bouncy lately |
| 11:29.15 | |viracocha| | o don't use apt o dpkg |
| 11:29.18 | abrotman | |viracocha|: and? it has no output windows ? |
| 11:29.44 | |viracocha| | wait a sec |
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| 11:30.52 | |viracocha| | http://www.mibbit.com/pb/5R7aiY |
| 11:31.12 | |viracocha| | apt-get upgrade (i'm italian) |
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| 11:32.40 | |viracocha| | btw for the moment i 'dont use synpatic |
| 11:33.33 | |viracocha| | i have a custom package for libsmbclient that i don't want to overwrite beacause the base have a bug resolved on upper version |
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| 11:33.59 | |viracocha| | i apply the patch to resolv the problem and i want to maintain my version |
| 11:34.06 | orioni | can s.o help me with loadsharing and failover between 2 isp-s ? |
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| 11:34.40 | Rusty1 | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-http-https-reverse-proxy-load-balancer/ idont think thats what your after orioni bit have a look |
| 11:34.40 | |viracocha| | btw i only advide that today with synaptic package manager |
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| 11:34.58 | |viracocha| | i found a bug with 6 package |
| 11:34.58 | orioni | nope , no reverse proxy , thanx :) |
| 11:35.39 | |viracocha| | that corrupt the same openoffice |
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| 11:37.29 | Rusty1 | orioni: what are you using for a router? |
| 11:37.50 | AnyFile | gunkamanti: you can try with nmap |
| 11:38.10 | orioni | i have mikrotik , linux , and a cisco 1841 . till now i havent found a way what/how to use them |
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| 11:38.51 | gunkamanti | AnyFile: thx, orioni already told me. it's a nice tool, but didn't give me any new ideas in this particular case. |
| 11:39.08 | gunkamanti | all i can say it's probably *not* my computer at the other line... :) |
| 11:39.23 | orioni | gunkamanti: nmap -vv -A -O IP-OF-PC |
| 11:39.34 | Rusty1 | orioni: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk648/tk361/technologies_configuration_example09186a00808d2b72.shtml , googled that tho was looking for something that would use twisted |
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| 11:40.09 | orioni | Rusty1: i saw that but my prob is that i have some clients with public IP-s |
| 11:40.16 | gunkamanti | it's giving me some rtt timeouts all the time. |
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| 11:40.22 | smacnay | Hi, after some updates yesterday in Debian "testing", I see a whole bunch of warning messages when booting today. Most (or all) refer to a need for ".conf" on all /etc/modprobe.d files. Is this simply a hand exercise in renaming? I also see a warning about modprobe.conf being depreceated. |
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| 11:40.56 | jmspeex | Does anyone know the status with non-free IETF drafts? The Speex RTP draft is about to go RFC and I need to know whether there's anything to do about the license |
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| 11:44.41 | gunkamanti | orioni: ok, i guess i got it now, my machine is down, the irc account is still up with an old ip, and the router inbetween reconnected to a new ip and sent it to dyndns.org... probably my roommate switched off the power or something like that ;) |
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| 11:48.40 | orioni | :) |
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| 11:49.39 | thoht | hi |
| 11:49.47 | thoht | i'm trying to build a live debian on a usb key using live-helper |
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| 11:49.52 | thoht | everything is ok, but when i boot on the key to uncrypt the fs, it doesn't want my passphrase |
| 11:49.59 | thoht | i'm sure about it, i tried simple passphrase like "trusttrusttrusttrust" |
| 11:50.14 | thoht | i'm using the option "-e aes256" (in lh_config) |
| 11:50.21 | thoht | anybody idea is welcome |
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| 11:52.12 | abrotman | it doesn't want it ? |
| 11:52.18 | abrotman | sporks amphi |
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| 11:52.58 | thoht | abrotman: nope i got the msg "There was an error decrypting the root filesystem... Retry [Y/n]" |
| 11:53.09 | thoht | and i tried tried tried but always the same msg :/ |
| 11:53.33 | thoht | and it loops on "Enter passphrase for root filesystem:" |
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| 11:54.12 | thoht | on the above error, there is this msg too: "inotcl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument" |
| 11:55.27 | zzz | hi ! i need to create 100+ users using a script that reads an text file with those users ? how do i do that ? |
| 11:55.43 | thoht | zzz: shell scripts |
| 11:55.52 | petemc | newusers |
| 11:56.06 | petemc | man newusers |
| 11:57.41 | abrotman | thoht: but it all works fine if you don't encrypt? |
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| 11:59.15 | thoht | abrotman: i'm trying it |
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| 12:02.45 | cast | wonders if someone who doesn't know how to do so should be in a position to create said 100 users |
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| 12:04.52 | cin|bleh | hi |
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| 12:09.46 | osfd | #blueray |
| 12:11.50 | izua | what are the terminal commands to convert quickly between hex, bin and dec? |
| 12:12.22 | petemc | od |
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| 12:13.00 | Adrian` | the octal has spoken |
| 12:13.05 | amphi | izua: bc is handy for that; "echo 'ibase=16; FF' | bc" for example |
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| 12:13.08 | pranith | hello, im using lenny. there is a package called gvfs in the repos. is it the same gvfs for file transfers? how do i activate it? |
| 12:14.18 | amphi | izua: or "echo 'ibase=16; obase=2; FF' | bc" - ibase & obase default to 10 |
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| 12:15.46 | izua | ibase = input obase = output? |
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| 12:16.50 | Chousuke | printf also works :) |
| 12:17.06 | izua | i dunno if printf works in bin though |
| 12:17.09 | amphi | izua: right |
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| 12:22.28 | krfkeith | I need some help, I think the permission of my flash drive are messed up |
| 12:22.36 | krfkeith | when I try to format it |
| 12:23.03 | krfkeith | it says its in Mode 40700 |
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| 12:24.15 | sepult | bash completion is again broken |
| 12:24.19 | sepult | gah |
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| 12:24.32 | sepult | apt-listbugs too |
| 12:24.52 | sepult | regexp bug |
| 12:25.10 | sepult | or it's rubys fault |
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| 12:25.56 | sepult | and i'm on lenny alone, not mixed... |
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| 12:27.40 | pranith | hello, im using lenny. there is a package called gvfs in the repos. is it the same gvfs for file transfers? how do i activate it? |
| 12:28.02 | sepult | gvfs is gnome virtual file system |
| 12:28.36 | sepult | it gets installed as a daemon usually |
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| 12:34.40 | ShredZ | How can I get by the jdk-6u12-docs.zip problem to apt-get install sun-java6-doc ? |
| 12:35.31 | sepult | ShredZ: download it from sun.java.com/j2se/download |
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| 12:35.41 | sepult | ShredZ: http:// |
| 12:35.48 | ShredZ | sepult, it doesn't exist... |
| 12:36.05 | sepult | ShredZ: sorry java.sun.com |
| 12:36.12 | sepult | ShredZ: not sun.java.com |
| 12:36.27 | ShredZ | sepult, the specified file does not exist at all anywhere |
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| 12:36.43 | sepult | ShredZ: there are actually a dozen versions of that document |
| 12:36.55 | sepult | ShredZ: you have to go to the developer version i think |
| 12:38.31 | sepult | ShredZ: there are two which u can get there one is 6u10 and the other 6u12 |
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| 12:39.00 | sepult | ShredZ: as long as the checksums are ok, you can download them as jdk-6-docs.zip |
| 12:39.16 | ShredZ | sepult, and where do you see the u12 one ? :-/ |
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| 12:39.35 | Rioting_Pacifist | i installed a new kernel, but the initrid cant find my lvm volumes (will 2.6.29 use sda for my ata drive by default like ubuntu did?) how can i be droped to a prompt when it doesnt mount /root to investigate the situation further |
| 12:39.50 | Boohbah | ShredZ: sepult: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=509636 |
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| 12:40.41 | abrotman | Rioting_Pacifist: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 12:40.42 | sepult | ShredZ: i can't provide you with the exact address of that document, as for i am now on console only, cause i didn't install any graphics software |
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| 12:41.31 | Rioting_Pacifist | abrotman: my wireless system doesn't seam to be working too well so i was advised to update my kernel |
| 12:41.37 | ShredZ | sepult, that's cause the file does not exist, but I'll do the renaming tactic |
| 12:42.19 | Rioting_Pacifist | the kernel compiled fine, i think its a simple misconfiguration in the initramfs, but without a prompt i cant find out what |
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| 12:42.24 | Boohbah | Rioting_Pacifist: if you can't mount the root filesystem then you'll have to boot with the old kernel |
| 12:42.35 | XaeroOne | hi |
| 12:42.37 | sepult | ShredZ: on account of downloading it sometime, i was actually presented once with 6u10 and once with the name 6u12, and i don't know if the sites were different or so |
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| 12:43.12 | abrotman | Rioting_Pacifist: which wifi do you have? who told oyu to upgrade? |
| 12:43.21 | sepult | ShredZ: as long as you go with the sun-download-manager you should get the checksums right |
| 12:43.35 | Rioting_Pacifist | im using the old kernel, but i want to fix the new one, i just need a prompt when it doesnt mount / or when it fails to find volume group internal |
| 12:43.47 | sepult | ShredZ: trying to download it with something else breaks the checksums i don't know why |
| 12:43.55 | sepult | ShredZ: kget for example |
| 12:43.55 | Rioting_Pacifist | abrotman: ath5k somebody in the #madwifi channel |
| 12:44.03 | abrotman | of course ... |
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| 12:44.31 | XaeroOne | i have etch install and wanted to know which is the right way to upgrade to lenny: dist-upgrade or upgrade? and which packages get upgraded when i do so? |
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| 12:45.09 | sepult | ShredZ: it's around 8MB or so, but you'll see 27MB or so when you download with something else |
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| 12:45.35 | abrotman | !tell XaeroOne about etch->lenny |
| 12:46.25 | abrotman | ShredZ: what are you looking for? |
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| 12:46.54 | ShredZ | abrotman, the jdk-6u12-docs.zip which isn't on sun's website |
| 12:46.56 | Boohbah | XaeroOne: apt-get dist-upgrade, and it will tell you which packages it is going to upgrade |
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| 12:47.07 | ShredZ | abrotman, I downloaded the u10 version and renamed it to u12 to make it install |
| 12:47.09 | abrotman | Boohbah: NO |
| 12:47.13 | abrotman | XaeroOne: ignore Boohbah |
| 12:47.15 | Boohbah | abrotman: no? |
| 12:47.18 | XaeroOne | ok |
| 12:47.25 | abrotman | !tell Boohbah about etch->lenny |
| 12:47.29 | abrotman | !tell Boohbah about lenny release notes |
| 12:47.33 | ShredZ | wonder if it's a lot different from the "real" u12 one |
| 12:47.45 | Boohbah | abrotman: i'd better do some reading then |
| 12:47.50 | abrotman | Boohbah: good plan |
| 12:48.11 | XaeroOne | so we need to install aptitude first? |
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| 12:49.49 | Rioting_Pacifist | how do i get an emergency prompt when the boot fails? |
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| 12:51.31 | sepult | Rioting_Pacifist: with busybox |
| 12:51.43 | sepult | Rioting_Pacifist: install a static version of it |
| 12:52.24 | sepult | Rioting_Pacifist: and update your initramfs |
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| 12:52.58 | Rioting_Pacifist | thx |
| 12:53.19 | pranith | sepult, how to make it default for file ops in nautilus? |
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| 12:53.25 | pranith | it -> gvfs |
| 12:53.57 | XaeroOne | I read somewhere long time agao that when you first start using aptitude and had been using apt-get previously there is something that needs to be done (don't remember what it said), anyone aware of any such thing? |
| 12:54.11 | thoht | abrotman: strange when deleting the option "-e aes256" on lh_config, when i do lh_build, it 's still requesting me a passphrase (and i did a lh_purge before) |
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| 12:55.10 | abrotman | XaeroOne: you dont' have to .. but if you want the benefits, you would mark some things as auto installed |
| 12:55.23 | sepult | pranith: you have to make symlink from nautilus or from nautilus to busybox i think |
| 12:55.34 | sepult | pranith: but don't take me serious on that |
| 12:55.43 | XaeroOne | how do I do that abrotman? |
| 12:55.57 | sepult | pranith: the exact command list you can see in the manual |
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| 12:57.11 | abrotman | XaeroOne: man aptitude .. but you really don't *have* to do it .. |
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| 12:57.11 | abrotman | it's ideal .. but not necessary |
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| 12:58.09 | anders_l | hi! i have tried apt-listchanges with apticron. I want the output of only the versions in changellog that is not installed. Is there another tool for changelogs ? can i do it in aptitude? |
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| 12:59.49 | XaeroOne | one last question, when upgrading does it give me options to select which packages I want to install? Like newer ones? |
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| 13:01.48 | Rioting_Pacifist | even with busybox-static it just stops when it doesn't find root |
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| 13:05.40 | sepult | heh i installed runit and runit-run, and am uninstalling it now, but now it's already uninstalled, but failed to give control up to the old init i think, or why should my getty's be unaccessible now, timeout in /dev/initctl ?? |
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| 13:06.24 | sepult | and i'm trapped in the middle of a big pull with aptitude, gaaaah |
| 13:06.35 | abrotman | XaeroOne: it should upgrade all your packages (or use a transition package) |
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| 13:07.17 | XaeroOne | ok thanks a lot |
| 13:09.18 | scientes | can x509 keys be used for GPG? |
| 13:09.27 | scientes | or ssh or visa-versa |
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| 13:09.35 | scientes | or are all encryption keys incompatible |
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| 13:12.56 | sepult | anyone's using something like kindle ? |
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| 13:14.09 | sepult | ebook reading tools ? |
| 13:14.12 | sepult | none ? |
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| 13:22.22 | XaeroOne | right now with my etch installation all the directories are in /, I was thinking of moving /home /var and /usr to other partitions, would moving the directories and updating fstab according work fine? anyone tried it? |
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| 13:23.06 | anders_l | XaeroOne: yes works fine |
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| 13:23.18 | XaeroOne | ok thanks |
| 13:23.32 | anders_l | depends on how u do it... |
| 13:23.34 | anders_l | :) |
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| 13:25.32 | module000 | XaeroOne: do it from a liveCD |
| 13:25.44 | DarkUranium | hi |
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| 13:27.05 | XaeroOne | I have puppy linux sitting only another partition just for these sort of things :-) |
| 13:27.17 | XaeroOne | *on |
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| 13:29.35 | tylere | I'm running into an issue when trying to do a dist-upgade: |
| 13:29.35 | tylere | Setting up dpkg (1.14.25) ... |
| 13:29.35 | tylere | touch: setting times of `/var/log/dpkg.log': Bad address |
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| 13:30.01 | tylere | this is on a virtual private server, so disk drive situation might be a bit odd (root is a reiserfs partition) |
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| 13:32.36 | thoht | when using live-helper, i got this eror while the lh_build: http://pastebin.com/mcb5e594 |
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| 13:43.27 | alpha | hello |
| 13:43.52 | alpha | can someone help me with debian /etc/rc* files? |
| 13:44.08 | alpha | I do not understand in what order do they get executed at startup. |
| 13:44.20 | alpha | and I totally do not get the /etc/rcS.d thing |
| 13:44.26 | alpha | halp? |
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| 13:44.49 | tetonca | They're named for the order. |
| 13:45.00 | tetonca | K20 execs before K30. |
| 13:45.10 | tetonca | Same with S20 and S30 |
| 13:45.41 | tetonca | K means kill S means start. |
| 13:46.14 | tetonca | They are soft links into ../init.d/ structure |
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| 13:46.52 | alpha | ok, and what about directories? which of /etc/rc* dirs get executed on the way to runlevel 2 ? |
| 13:47.10 | alpha | (who -r says runlevel is 2) |
| 13:47.16 | tetonca | I think rcS does |
| 13:47.24 | alpha | only rcS ? |
| 13:47.29 | tetonca | or rcBoot some mnemonic |
| 13:47.35 | tetonca | been a while |
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| 13:47.57 | tetonca | etc/inittab points to rcS.d or something |
| 13:48.18 | tetonca | been a while since I traced it all out |
| 13:48.37 | alpha | ok |
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| 13:48.49 | tetonca | rc0.d is halt and rc6.d is reboot |
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| 13:48.57 | alpha | so rcS.d and rc2.d get executed on normal boot? |
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| 13:49.10 | tetonca | I think so yes |
| 13:49.13 | alpha | ok |
| 13:49.23 | tetonca | rcS.d is single user mode |
| 13:49.46 | alpha | out of curiosity, what's the purpose of other rc*.d dirs ? |
| 13:49.58 | maligor | runlevels |
| 13:50.03 | tetonca | you define them according to need |
| 13:50.10 | alpha | I know that runlevel 0 is halt |
| 13:50.14 | alpha | oh I see. |
| 13:50.25 | maligor | if you look at inittab you see likes like l0:0:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 0 |
| 13:50.47 | dtcrshr | hi fellas, iv just passed by debian-edu, and its quite interesting. I work at an university, and we got 180 cpters with vista, that users use just to use an office suit, and to browse the web. We lock the access on the stations via gpolicy, but im looking forward for a nice educational distro, that suits me on this issue about the limited access of the students, does skolelinux have this focus, or i should lool for other distros? |
| 13:50.53 | maligor | the second section, after l0 means the runlevel it's executed on |
| 13:50.59 | tetonca | like rc3.d might be just like rc2.d except it omits gdm xdm or kdm |
| 13:51.05 | maligor | so that line means it executes rc0.d on run level 0 :P |
| 13:51.23 | alpha | this is kind of new to me. |
| 13:51.32 | alpha | gentoo rc-update was easier |
| 13:51.38 | alpha | is there something like it ? |
| 13:51.48 | Rioting_Pacifist | i have busybox-static installed but my initramfs doesnt fall back to an emerency prompt when it doesnt find root, what am i doing wrong? |
| 13:52.03 | tetonca | gentoo uses verbal mnemonic names for runlevels iirc |
| 13:52.11 | maligor | debian has update-rc.d |
| 13:52.27 | maligor | see man update-rc.d |
| 13:52.41 | alpha | yay |
| 13:52.44 | alpha | thanks maligor ! |
| 13:52.48 | alpha | reading |
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| 13:54.34 | abrotman | dtcrshr: are you asking about skole or debian ? |
| 13:54.46 | abrotman | alpha: also rcconf |
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| 13:56.54 | alpha | thanks abrotman, installing it |
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| 13:58.09 | dtcrshr | i was thinking about debian, but saw the skole |
| 13:58.24 | dtcrshr | im thinking about migrating the students laboratories to linux |
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| 13:58.35 | dtcrshr | they just need to use open office, and to browse |
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| 13:59.32 | dtcrshr | is there a way to manage an entire group of computers, using some kind of group policy with debian? |
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| 14:00.29 | abrotman | depends what you mean by manage .. |
| 14:00.32 | alpha | dtcrshr shell scripting is one way to do it. there are tools. |
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| 14:01.27 | dtcrshr | do u remember any tool for that? i just passed on the idea |
| 14:01.40 | Rioting_Pacifist | i have busybox-static installed but my initramfs doesnt fall back to an emerency prompt when it doesnt find root, what am i doing wrong? |
| 14:01.41 | asg | cfengine, puppet |
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| 14:02.17 | dtcrshr | im in brazil, the adms are very resistant about the linux migration, but all the servers iv managed became titular. |
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| 14:02.32 | dtcrshr | we got debian boxes with samba server, mail server, dns and dhcp |
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| 14:02.55 | abrotman | Rioting_Pacifist: you're compiling your own kernel |
| 14:02.57 | dtcrshr | the next its the webserver. but all this i have to do it and show it already working, fine as hell |
| 14:03.14 | dtcrshr | some sort of chewed up solution |
| 14:03.38 | Rioting_Pacifist | yes but the kernel works fine its the initramfs that i cant get working, surely there are tools that mean its easier than doing it all manually |
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| 14:04.15 | alpha | dtcrshr <asg> cfengine, puppet |
| 14:04.17 | abrotman | how does the kernel work fine if it can't boot ? |
| 14:04.19 | alpha | google these |
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| 14:04.37 | abrotman | they're already in debian .. aptitude show cfengine |
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| 14:05.02 | Rioting_Pacifist | abrotman: the kernel boots fine, the intiramfs isn't finding the lvm groups (lvm is running fine, but possibly not configured correctly) |
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| 14:05.16 | abrotman | so it's not fine |
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| 14:06.18 | alpha | Rioting_Pacifist try the rubber duck debugging method, might work for you. |
| 14:06.31 | Rioting_Pacifist | rubber dduck? |
| 14:07.04 | alpha | Rioting_Pacifist http://lists.ethernal.org/oldarchives/cantlug-0211/msg00174.html |
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| 14:07.26 | nfi|ermes | to see which version of debian is runnning ? |
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| 14:07.55 | zamuro | cat /etc/issue |
| 14:08.17 | tehfalcon | I want to get debian for 32 bit architecture |
| 14:08.23 | tehfalcon | can someone point me to the iso? |
| 14:08.30 | tehfalcon | I'm in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 14:08.36 | morteng | hello, debian users, I'm looking for the simula compiler. CIM I can't find it. |
| 14:08.42 | tehfalcon | and there's 32 different iso-s |
| 14:08.55 | sep | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-500-i386-CD-1.iso or netinstall |
| 14:08.58 | jetscreamer | it's the.. that |
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| 14:09.10 | alpha | tehfalcon all of them |
| 14:09.10 | Rioting_Pacifist | alpha: that works only if i know whats going on in the init scripts, but id rather use the debian ones than roll my own |
| 14:09.19 | tehfalcon | alpha: is there any difference? |
| 14:09.23 | sep | you only need all the iso's if you do not have network where you install |
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| 14:09.29 | macman | sorry got disconnected |
| 14:09.30 | sep | i only use the netinstall usualy. |
| 14:09.41 | rgsteele||work | Hm. Is there any way to tell uupdate NOT to look for a .diff.gz? |
| 14:09.44 | macman | whats a good live cd so i can recover some deleted files using scalpel ? |
| 14:09.48 | alpha | tehfalcon they are all the part of distribution. but try the netinstall if you can. |
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| 14:10.03 | tehfalcon | ok |
| 14:10.05 | tehfalcon | I'll give it a try |
| 14:10.06 | jetscreamer | !pdif |
| 14:10.10 | jetscreamer | !pdiff |
| 14:10.11 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 14:10.16 | rgsteele||work | I'm building a fresh package, and then trying to use uupdate to apply updates from a newer version. But since I'm building the first package fresh, there is no .diff.gz |
| 14:10.32 | stew | rgsteele||work: do you just want to download a new orig.tar.gz? |
| 14:10.49 | jetscreamer | if that's what you meant |
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| 14:11.13 | stew | rgsteele||work: does it have a watch file? |
| 14:11.18 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 14:11.22 | neil_d | I have a debian lenney install without any desktop, I would like to install xfce, is there single package that will install all the xfce and all dependances to get it working? |
| 14:11.25 | alpha | rcconf should be in default setup :P |
| 14:11.29 | alpha | it's GREAT. |
| 14:11.40 | jetscreamer | apt-get install lfce xorg ? |
| 14:11.40 | stew | rgsteele||work: perhaps you just want to use uscan |
| 14:11.43 | rgsteele||work | stew: The original one? Yeah |
| 14:11.43 | jetscreamer | xfce |
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| 14:12.26 | rgsteele||work | stew: Just to be clear, I built the package initially from fresh source. A new version of the source came out, so I downloaded that and I'm trying to use uupdate to apply changes from the new tarball to the source tree from which I initially built the package. |
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| 14:12.48 | rgsteele||work | But, because I initially built the package fresh, there was no .diff.gz generated. |
| 14:13.10 | rgsteele||work | So, uupdate is obviously not going to find one. I'm not sure how to get around that. |
| 14:13.33 | stew | rgsteele||work: so why not gnerate the .diff.gz before uupdate? |
| 14:14.30 | dtcrshr | thanks alpha, ill look forward |
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| 14:16.25 | rgsteele||work | stew: It's complaining it can't find a diff for the old version. I'm not sure what the diff for that version should contain. I mean, logically, it seems like there should be a diff.gz for the new version, where it differs from the old. |
| 14:18.35 | rgsteele||work | I'm not sure what the <oldversion>.diff.gz should contain - does it want the difference between the new version and the current version, in a file called <currentversion>.diff.gz? |
| 14:18.35 | rgsteele||work | stew: Ah, you know what, I just decides to use uscan |
| 14:18.35 | rgsteele||work | s/decides/decided/ |
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| 14:34.51 | Derick | hello, I've done a dist-upgrade today, and now, when starting revelation I get "ImportError: No module named _cairo debian" I've resintalled every python package, but still getting the same error. Any pointers? |
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| 14:50.56 | Piet | commander keen in : aliens ate my irc network |
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| 15:48.19 | jpinx | gaintsura: is it a remote server - local to you? |
| 15:48.27 | jpinx | *or... |
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| 15:49.02 | gaintsura | its a 'remote' server thats sitting 4 feet from me |
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| 15:49.36 | ranix | gaintsura: you're going to have to remotely reboot it |
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| 15:49.45 | ranix | use one of those fat person poking canes |
| 15:49.51 | gaintsura | shut it down the other day to put 2 drives in it, now I've gotta do it again |
| 15:50.08 | gaintsura | ranix: no... I don't mind getting up, unless I forget that my herb is in the computer too, then I have to get up again |
| 15:50.16 | ranix | my server is on top of my stereo receiver |
| 15:50.22 | ranix | so when I go to turn off the stereo |
| 15:50.28 | ranix | sometimes I brain fart and turn off the server |
| 15:51.27 | gaintsura | lol |
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| 15:55.32 | jpinx | heh |
| 15:57.10 | gaintsura | stereo is across the room, all my network stuff is in a rolling Snap-On cabinet, eventually going to move that server in there too |
| 15:57.20 | epifanio | hi all ... installing debian on an external dirive the grub installation fails to install , now following these note : http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/gnu/grub/html_chapter/grub_4.html i booted debian |
| 15:57.23 | epifanio | please can you give me advice on how to install the grub ... i'm logged-in |
| 15:57.26 | gaintsura | what is it with people and wanting to use an external drive?? dualboot, make your system happy =) |
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| 15:57.30 | ranix | dual booting is retarded man |
| 15:57.33 | epifanio | gaintsura: i've a old laptop with a broken cdroom |
| 15:57.33 | ranix | why would you want to turn your system off to use a different program |
| 15:57.34 | ranix | what is up with that |
| 15:57.36 | epifanio | the external drive is the laptop HD |
| 15:57.36 | ranix | get two computers |
| 15:57.49 | epifanio | i need to mopunt these hd in the laptop ... but without grub it don't boot |
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| 15:59.09 | epifanio | the external drive is connected to a pc-desktop that has ubuntu installed on |
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| 16:00.10 | smacnay | ranix, get virtualbox... :) |
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| 17:32.13 | ukatan | unless you compiled it yourself there's not really a way to help unless you look for the header package out on the internet somewhere and lord knows what that could lead to |
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| 17:33.47 | sebo | yahu diÄer iÅletim sistemlerini debiana nasıl baglarız bilgisi olan varmı |
| 17:34.01 | jamon | cgibin: try modifying your shell's settings |
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| 17:34.38 | py_ | ukatan: I did not compiled it myself, it once was available on the repositories. So what you just told is what I feared... |
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| 17:35.05 | ukatan | unfortunately :/ |
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| 17:35.18 | ukatan | it's note really an easy situation if you don't have the source and .config sitting around somewhere |
| 17:35.20 | valdyn | py_: you can always generate a configured kernel tree, that includes headers, provided you know which source and which config |
| 17:35.31 | ukatan | why is it you can't upgrade? |
| 17:35.40 | ukatan | more out of curiousity than anything else |
| 17:35.41 | valdyn | py_: config is probably at /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:35.42 | Spec | In crontab, is there a way to do an action "the first monday of the month (4 am)"? Would that be: 0 4 1-7 * 1 |
| 17:35.53 | cgibin | jamon, huh? what you mean? |
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| 17:36.13 | jamon | cgibin: you want pretty colours (or all green) in your terminal right? |
| 17:36.15 | py_ | ukatan: as I said previoulsy in this case it can't be done. We have about 200 identicals systems, with this particular kernel, dispatched around the country, only with some EDGE connectivity. No way to upgrade the kernel without getting them all back here... |
| 17:36.23 | Spec | wiki for crontab implies it's either/or for matching 3rd and 5th fields :( |
| 17:36.25 | dury | my current resolution is 1280X800. I can set it up to 1280X1024, but I reboot the systm it goes back to 1280X800.. what's wrong? Mine it's a geforce 8 8800 |
| 17:36.27 | cgibin | lol no jamon |
| 17:36.37 | py_ | valdyn: yes I do have the config |
| 17:36.43 | ukatan | ah. I should have known it was something like that. |
| 17:36.46 | jamon | ok be more specific cgibin |
| 17:36.55 | edju | trying to set up printing from a macbook to a debian server, with ipp://192etc:631/printers/tp0. doesn't work. any hints as to the proper syntax for ipp appreciated. sorry for the OT. |
| 17:36.57 | cgibin | do you know what i m even asking? |
| 17:37.05 | orioni | best DE for an old laptop ? |
| 17:37.06 | py_ | ukatan: shitty setup... but I have to support that crap :-( |
| 17:37.13 | valdyn | orioni: vi |
| 17:37.18 | orioni | xfce or fluxbox ? |
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| 17:37.22 | valdyn | orioni: oops, i read ide |
| 17:37.27 | valdyn | orioni: what is old? |
| 17:37.29 | orioni | :) |
| 17:37.30 | ukatan | py_, not your fault |
| 17:37.34 | orioni | the laptop |
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| 17:37.46 | valdyn | fluxbox is not a DE |
| 17:37.48 | py_ | ukatan: definitely... |
| 17:37.52 | orioni | 333 mhz cpu with a 64 mb ram |
| 17:37.55 | ukatan | orioni, XFCE if it's from this century |
| 17:37.56 | ukatan | whoooo |
| 17:37.59 | ukatan | LXDE |
| 17:38.00 | valdyn | orioni: im i supposed to guess which hardware it has? |
| 17:38.11 | orioni | x86 |
| 17:38.18 | valdyn | orioni: fluxbox |
| 17:38.21 | orioni | its not tha old :) |
| 17:38.27 | orioni | its a sony vaio |
| 17:38.34 | ukatan | valdyn, you'd be surprised what LXDE will run on! |
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| 17:38.43 | ukatan | and he did ask for a DE :) |
| 17:38.45 | cgibin | their is no way making the crt green? don't have interest buying one |
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| 17:39.16 | valdyn | ukatan: appearantly fluxbox is one that suffices for him or he would not have mentioned that |
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| 17:39.22 | ukatan | that is true! |
| 17:39.25 | jamon | cgibin: set your $PS1 to make everything green |
| 17:39.44 | valdyn | ukatan: im not sure what id do with a nicely running lxde that has no apps i actually need, except the terminal |
| 17:39.45 | orioni | at least i`ll have a de |
| 17:39.54 | dury | hey guys...! what could be the problem? |
| 17:39.55 | cgibin | dammit jamon, thats not what it is |
| 17:39.56 | ukatan | valdyn, well it depends on what apps you need |
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| 17:40.06 | cgibin | nothing to do with a shell prompt |
| 17:40.18 | py_ | valdyn: uname-r reports 2.6.21-2-486, how can I figure out which kernel.org source was used to build that? There are 2.6.21[.(1..7)] available... |
| 17:40.22 | ukatan | if you need apps that won't run on a 333mhz it doesn't matter what the DE/WM is |
| 17:40.36 | valdyn | py_: thats not enough to know |
| 17:40.39 | orioni | lxde or xfce ? |
| 17:40.42 | giggsey | where are the bind files normally stored? |
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| 17:40.48 | valdyn | py_: but the header, source and all that are probably at sdn |
| 17:40.50 | valdyn | !sdn |
| 17:40.50 | dpkg | from memory, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 17:41.00 | ukatan | orioni, do you want a window manager, which just draws windows, or a desktop environment, which is a whole suite of software |
| 17:41.04 | jamon | py_: http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/build/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 17:41.05 | orioni | giggsey : locate named.conf |
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| 17:41.16 | orioni | DE |
| 17:41.19 | ukatan | LXDE |
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| 17:41.29 | giggsey | orioni, I need the actual zone files, but thanks :) |
| 17:41.36 | valdyn | orioni: which applications do you need to run? |
| 17:41.40 | Hewitt | Hey, i need libgtk 2.14.1 but cant find that version in the repos? |
| 17:41.43 | orioni | will LXDE :) perform better than xfce ? |
| 17:41.46 | py_ | jamon, valdyn: I tried that: I get a 404 when I try to apt-get update after adding the repositories. It seems to be quite empty, avane trying to browse by hand |
| 17:41.49 | Hewitt | i want the murrine svn engine |
| 17:41.55 | ukatan | orioni, it is definitely lighter |
| 17:41.59 | orioni | if you have the named.conf than you can easly find the zones files |
| 17:42.00 | valdyn | Hewitt: why dont you install the murrine debian package then? |
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| 17:42.12 | Hewitt | valdyn: its not the newest version |
| 17:42.19 | valdyn | Hewitt: oh noes |
| 17:42.27 | valdyn | Hewitt: and that is a problem why? |
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| 17:42.50 | Hewitt | i cant use the gtk themes i want without the murrine 0.90.2 |
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| 17:42.55 | valdyn | !versions gtk2-engines-murrine |
| 17:43.05 | valdyn | judd: versions gtk2-engines-murrine |
| 17:43.05 | judd | valdyn: gtk2-engines-murrine -- lenny: 0.53.1-1 squeeze: 0.53.1-1 sid: 0.90.2-1 |
| 17:43.36 | py_ | jamon: anyway, nothing related to 2.6.21 there :-( |
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| 17:43.42 | valdyn | !tell Hewitt about ssd |
| 17:43.47 | jamon | py_: damn |
| 17:43.48 | valdyn | !tell Hewitt about ssb |
| 17:43.55 | valdyn | Hewitt: ignore the first one |
| 17:43.58 | stew | judd: build-dep gtk2-engines-murrine --release sid |
| 17:43.58 | judd | stew: gtk2-engines-murrine -- BuildDepends: debhelper (>= 7.0.50), libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.10.1) |
| 17:44.00 | Hewitt | valdyn: ok |
| 17:44.01 | cgibin | has anyone made theirs green? |
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| 17:44.05 | lupine_85 | finds it odd that linux-headers-2.6.29-1-amd64 depends on a non-existent package |
| 17:44.08 | lupine_85 | (same for .28) |
| 17:44.10 | lupine_85 | namely, linux-kbuild-... |
| 17:44.11 | Mark21 | hello, how can i shutdown iptables? |
| 17:44.17 | stew | lupine_85: no, its not odd |
| 17:44.29 | lupine_85 | Mark21, unload the kernel module, and/or iptables -F |
| 17:44.35 | orioni | Mark21: iptabled -F |
| 17:44.37 | orioni | Mark21: iptabled -X |
| 17:44.44 | jamon | py_: so i'm thinking you have a .config for your current kernel, grab source from kernel.org to at least get a base |
| 17:44.48 | valdyn | Mark21: what is the real thing you want to do? |
| 17:45.01 | lupine_85 | stew, makes it kind of painful to get various modules installed :D |
| 17:45.03 | jamon | py_: might be enough to get the module built if the debian version wasn't patched much |
| 17:45.05 | valdyn | Mark21: iptables if "off" by default. |
| 17:45.08 | stew | lupine_85: yes |
| 17:45.09 | orioni | mark21: iptalbed = iptables :) |
| 17:45.12 | lupine_85 | the .26 kernel doesn't support my rfkill switch, y'see |
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| 17:45.41 | py_ | jamon: yes that's what I intended to try, but as there are 8 different releases for 2.6.21 there... No idea what debian used to build their 2.6.21-2 |
| 17:45.50 | valdyn | py_: have you looked at sdn? |
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| 17:46.35 | py_ | valdyn: sure I did, not found anything about that version of the kernel. |
| 17:46.41 | stew | lupine_85: you can build your own: /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:47.04 | valdyn | py_: you should switch to a kernel that is supported by debian either way |
| 17:47.10 | nsadmin | was .21 ever in a released version of debian? |
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| 17:47.21 | stew | nsadmin: no |
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| 17:47.42 | stew | someone should donate the 10tb array debian wants so we can make sdn official :) |
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| 17:48.03 | ukatan | stew, sdn? |
| 17:48.07 | stew | ukatan: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:48.07 | valdyn | py_: look again, i found it at once |
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| 17:48.28 | lupine_85 | stew, I just want the given .29 kernel to work, not build my own :) |
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| 17:48.32 | jamon | py_: this might be a start: http://debian.sipo.nl/pool/etch-custom/linux-2.6/ |
| 17:48.34 | valdyn | 2.6.21-6 though, i dont know if that matches yours |
| 17:48.40 | stew | lupine_85: then wait |
| 17:48.42 | jamon | not idea about that repository though |
| 17:48.54 | py_ | valdyn: 2.6.21-2-486 is mine precisely |
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| 17:49.17 | jamon | one i found there is 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 17:49.19 | valdyn | py_: thats there too |
| 17:49.30 | sebo | burda yardım etcek kimse yokmu yahu |
| 17:49.45 | lupine_85 | I'm just not entirely sure why it's not in the repositories. is making them a long, slow, complicated process? |
| 17:49.54 | stew | lupine_85: it hasn't been uploaded yet |
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| 17:50.00 | lupine_85 | (more so than is usual for kernel development, I mean ;) ) |
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| 17:50.15 | stew | lupine_85: the 2.6.28 version was uploaded and rejected becuase it wasn't properly licensed |
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| 17:50.34 | py_ | valdyn: do you have a link or something like that? Can't figuring out how to find it on sdn (and feeling quite stupid btw :-s) |
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| 17:50.39 | stew | they didn't bother fixing it, i presume becuase they decided to work on 2.6.29 first |
| 17:50.46 | stew | ^first^instead |
| 17:50.59 | lupine_85 | mm, I grabbed that one in desperation out of a debian mirror's pool from an opensuse livecd |
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| 17:52.31 | stew | lupine_85: ahh, looks like the 2.6.29 kbuild was uploaded a few hours ago |
| 17:52.42 | lupine_85 | ooh |
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| 17:52.54 | sebo | offffffffffff |
| 17:52.57 | lupine_85 | updates |
| 17:53.00 | py_ | valdyn: what did you input in the search field to find what I'm looking for? I definitely don't get it :-s |
| 17:53.04 | lupine_85 | this wifi is pretty poor... |
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| 17:54.02 | stew | lupine_85: no, you won't see it yet, it needs NEW processing, since it is a new package |
| 17:54.22 | sebo | #debiantr |
| 17:54.28 | lupine_85 | oh... that kind of uploaded |
| 17:54.32 | lupine_85 | fair enough |
| 17:54.37 | gaintsura | is there a way to NOT have to fsck -pf after copying any directory that has a symbolic link as ./shared/ has /shared/shared/ as a symbolic link to ../shared, I know its bad juju but it has to stay there |
| 17:54.41 | stew | lupine_85: yeah http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/linux-kbuild-2.6_2.6.29-1.html |
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| 17:54.53 | gaintsura | like a tag in cp/scp |
| 17:55.04 | lupine_85 | it wouldn't be so important but nv gets the resolution of this screen wrong |
| 17:55.08 | lupine_85 | it's a new laptop :) |
| 17:55.15 | dury | hey guys...! |
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| 17:55.38 | dury | can someone drive me please |
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| 17:56.27 | cgibin | their is no way making the crt green? don't have interest buying one |
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| 17:56.54 | stew | lupine_85: it does look like they fixed the problem that caused the last one to be rejected at least |
| 17:56.56 | py_ | valdyn: ok, found it, by manually crafting an url (http://snapshot.debian.net/package/linux-headers-2.6.21-2-486). No way to get the result I got that way using the search fields. Is that a feature?? |
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| 17:58.22 | lupine_85 | stew, mm, normally I'm not such a fan of the bleeding edge :D |
| 17:58.32 | lupine_85 | ah well |
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| 18:00.24 | Ace2017_- | Hi all |
| 18:00.32 | Ace2017_- | how can i get the options debian used to compile stuff? |
| 18:00.37 | jpinx | I need my laptop to appear as my spare, unused UK-based IP no matter where it is in the world. Is that possible? |
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| 18:01.10 | orioni | jpinx: yes |
| 18:01.12 | Ace2017_- | jpinx: yes |
| 18:01.15 | dury | that's with lenny |
| 18:01.23 | lupine_85 | jpinx, tunnel it |
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| 18:01.36 | lupine_85 | (would be my first suggestion) |
| 18:01.39 | sepult | Ace2017_-: not with getopt() that's for sure |
| 18:01.43 | orioni | or request a block of ip routed to you |
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| 18:02.02 | lupine_85 | orioni, and update bgp every time? ;) |
| 18:02.07 | Ace2017_- | sepult: sarcasm? or did you try that? |
| 18:02.10 | jpinx | Ace2017_-: how? |
| 18:02.10 | orioni | :) |
| 18:02.38 | Ace2017_- | jpinx: you should listen to lupine_85 |
| 18:02.40 | hardbop200 | hi - I cannot figure this out for the life of me: what does it mean when a symlink has an @ sign after it? |
| 18:02.42 | py_ | ukatan, stew, valdyn, jamon: thanks for your help. I should be on my way now. |
| 18:02.54 | lupine_85 | IPv6 roaming might be feasible, but not IPv4 for a /32, I think |
| 18:03.15 | sepult | Ace2017_-: it's in /etc/apt/apt-build.conf as far as i know |
| 18:03.20 | stew | py_: good luck, have we mentioned that you should upgrade to a supported kernel? :P |
| 18:03.36 | osfd | Hi, I installed vlc from the repo in debian lenny and I can't get any image when I play a video. Is there anything I should install ? |
| 18:03.37 | lupine_85 | jpinx, I would set up a tun/tap interface from your laptop to the termination point of your public IP |
| 18:03.40 | jpinx | reads up on tunneling |
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| 18:03.44 | py_ | stew: sure ;-) |
| 18:03.47 | lupine_85 | then I would start reading |
| 18:03.52 | lupine_85 | yeah :D |
| 18:03.54 | Akuw | hi |
| 18:03.55 | lupine_85 | not sure how to do it, just know it's possible |
| 18:04.08 | Akuw | i have 3 viruses in my samba resource in debian |
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| 18:05.06 | Akuw | how can i delete de virus? |
| 18:05.21 | lupine_85 | rm "just works" |
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| 18:05.58 | Ace2017_- | sepult: i'm trying to find the --enable-?? and --disable-?? options used to compile xorg |
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| 18:06.32 | orioni | Akuw: maybe you can install an antivirus for linux |
| 18:06.46 | orioni | on that i liked is symantec for linux |
| 18:06.54 | sepult | Ace2017_-: they are ./configure options |
| 18:07.05 | Ace2017_- | yes |
| 18:07.07 | lupine_85 | well, there's clamav |
| 18:07.13 | dury | my current resolution is 1280X800. I can set it up to 1280X1024, but I reboot the systm it goes back to 1280X800.. what's wrong? Mine it's a geforce 8 8800 |
| 18:07.16 | lupine_85 | and I think there are a few "desktop" solutions too |
| 18:07.27 | Ace2017_- | doesn't debian have build logs? |
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| 18:07.43 | orioni | lupine_85: does clamav have definitions for windows viruses ?! |
| 18:07.49 | lupine_85 | yep |
| 18:07.51 | Akuw | but if i stop Samba service, delete virus and clean computers this will solve the problem? |
| 18:07.53 | lupine_85 | it's primarily an email scanner |
| 18:07.58 | Ace2017_- | dury: what is your LCDs native resolution? |
| 18:08.03 | sepult | Ace2017_-: why don't you get the source via apt-source and then ./configure and debuild that stuff ? |
| 18:08.03 | lupine_85 | designed to protect all email users, including windows ones |
| 18:08.15 | Ace2017_- | sepult: i need an older version |
| 18:08.22 | lupine_85 | Akuw, depends on the virus really |
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| 18:08.36 | Ace2017_- | sepult: i got it and compiled but i don't have libextmod.so in my build |
| 18:08.39 | Akuw | humm |
| 18:08.42 | lupine_85 | some of them do some funky stuff |
| 18:08.50 | lupine_85 | worth a try, certainly |
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| 18:09.13 | sepult | Ace2017_-: you have to install the library or some module ? |
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| 18:09.17 | orioni | aptitude install aptitude .....Score is - 283 Accept this solution Y/n/q ? |
| 18:09.20 | orioni | what do i do ? |
| 18:09.54 | sepult | Ace2017_-: i think xorg-dev would provide it, but i'm not sure |
| 18:10.00 | Ace2017_- | sepult: i'm installing xorg to /opt it worked but its missing stuff, like libextmod.so and the keyboard doesn't work in it yet, but fglrx does |
| 18:10.27 | sepult | Ace2017_-: you can search for which dev package is providing it |
| 18:11.14 | Ace2017_- | sepult: yea the problem is that it comes from xserver-xorg-core so its a configure option |
| 18:11.25 | dury | Ace2017: in lenny... to 1280X1024, but when I reboot the box it goes back to 1280X800 |
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| 18:12.08 | keith4 | what determines which editor "crontab -e" uses? |
| 18:12.22 | sepult | Ace2017_-: what's the matter with installing xserver-xorg-core or installing the source of it with the right version (that which you desire ?) |
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| 18:12.51 | Ace2017_- | i'm installing the source of the version i want but its not giving me extmod |
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| 18:13.55 | jamon | keith4: think that's /etc/alternatives/editor |
| 18:14.07 | jamon | keith4: run update-alternatives --config editor to see what you can choose |
| 18:14.30 | sepult | Ace2017_-: source's have dependencies too, which are pointed to by the binary installers, i think you have to get the xserver-xorg-core and configure it (and all along that dependency path as well i think) |
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| 18:15.06 | keith4 | jamon: yay! thanks |
| 18:15.08 | Ace2017_- | as far as i can tell all the deps have been satisfied xorg builds |
| 18:15.36 | Ace2017_- | everything all the way back to zlib expat and gperf |
| 18:15.51 | sepult | Ace2017_-: now that's odd then |
| 18:15.52 | jamon | keith4: lots of things are set with that too, take a look through /etc/alternatives |
| 18:15.59 | Ace2017_- | libpng libsvg libjpeg the whole lot, mesa and more |
| 18:16.45 | sepult | i have to reboot |
| 18:16.48 | sepult | brb |
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| 18:17.16 | sebo | help me turkısh |
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| 18:17.50 | zamuro | !turkish |
| 18:17.50 | dpkg | methinks turkish is #turklug, or trke yardm iin #debian.tr |
| 18:18.18 | dury | Ace2017_: in lenny... to 1280X1024, but when I reboot the box it goes back to 1280X800 |
| 18:19.06 | jamon | dury: if you're using the nvidia blob, there's a tool to configure your xserver with it |
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| 18:19.51 | Ace2017_- | dury: do you have resolutions in your xorg.conf? |
| 18:20.26 | dury | jamon: could you drive me to setup it |
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| 18:21.14 | dury | how do I edit xorg.conf |
| 18:21.25 | Ace2017_- | sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:21.29 | et | sudo init 0 |
| 18:22.00 | dury | this is not ubuntu it's lenny |
| 18:22.01 | jamon | dury: use nvidia-settings (apt-get) it will generate an xorg.conf for you |
| 18:22.10 | Ace2017_- | et: -_- |
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| 18:23.18 | dury | could it be as well gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:23.28 | abrotman | holy jeez |
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| 18:23.52 | Ace2017_- | dury: no, use nano, gedit shouldn't be run as root |
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| 18:23.57 | gravity | Not a good idea to become dependant on gedit when editing xorg.conf :-) |
| 18:24.02 | Ace2017_- | well it should be avoided |
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| 18:24.14 | module000 | vim for the win |
| 18:24.17 | abrotman | Ace2017_-: not a good idea to stick sudo in front of every command just because you don't know any better ... |
| 18:24.56 | Ace2017_- | abrotman: sudo is more convenient than su |
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| 18:25.09 | abrotman | because you don't know any better .. like i said |
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| 18:25.31 | RoenieSrvr | sudo is a p.o.s. imo |
| 18:25.52 | dury | "apt-get install nvidia-settings could it work? |
| 18:25.54 | RoenieSrvr | a good reason not to use ubuntu, it was the first thing i nuked when i did |
| 18:26.22 | Ace2017_- | whats wrong with sudo? |
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| 18:26.43 | module000 | it can build bad habits..but used responsibly nothing is wrong with it |
| 18:26.45 | RoenieSrvr | it just annoys the heck out of me |
| 18:26.49 | abrotman | exactly ... |
| 18:27.11 | Ace2017_- | what bad habits? |
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| 18:27.14 | RoenieSrvr | i'm used to using "su" and then <pwd>, followed by "exit" when done |
| 18:27.16 | abrotman | Ace2017_-: what does your sudoers file look like ? |
| 18:27.27 | RoenieSrvr | Ace2017_-, bad habit of always typing it |
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| 18:27.44 | Ace2017_- | just has the weel group added |
| 18:28.20 | RoenieSrvr | iirc there is also a "timer" on sudo, so it gives you root priviliges for a little while |
| 18:28.21 | mfilipe_ | what is the quiet-quick-start in start-stop-daemin? |
| 18:28.22 | abrotman | way to be vague |
| 18:28.32 | RoenieSrvr | i always end up trying something after said little while |
| 18:28.49 | Ace2017_- | abrotman: well i didn't set the no password all if thats what you mean |
| 18:29.00 | gravity | likes sudo |
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| 18:29.12 | RichiH | is there a way to make tar print on STDERR once it's finished with its STDIN? |
| 18:29.34 | RichiH | or to actually close the file descriptor so anything that listens to it knows that it's done |
| 18:29.34 | abrotman | Ace2017_-: no, not what i meant |
| 18:29.43 | RoenieSrvr | when you type a cmd that you aren't sure you need root privs for, or forget you need them |
| 18:29.59 | RoenieSrvr | you get "access denied" or similar |
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| 18:30.25 | RoenieSrvr | then have to issue the command again with "sudo" before it |
| 18:30.36 | RoenieSrvr | that's what makes it a pain, you have to repeat yourself |
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| 18:30.50 | RoenieSrvr | i can't stand it |
| 18:30.50 | spook00 | sudo !! is a pain? |
| 18:31.00 | jamon | spook00: lol, beat me to !! |
| 18:31.05 | jpinx | sudo is great - rtfm |
| 18:31.14 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: security doesnt come for free |
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| 18:31.19 | spook00 | or you know |
| 18:31.29 | spook00 | type up, home, "sudo " |
| 18:31.43 | RoenieSrvr | fuck sudo, just don't log in as root when you don't have to. problem solved. |
| 18:31.44 | gravity | It's not like sudo prevents you from using su. |
| 18:31.56 | gravity | shakes his head in bewilderment |
| 18:32.11 | valdyn | i tend to type sudo even as root |
| 18:32.14 | abrotman | gravity: no, but it doesn't make people realize the implications of what they're doing .. they just go .. "hey i probably need sudo for this" .. |
| 18:32.14 | valdyn | habbit |
| 18:32.20 | RoenieSrvr | gravity, the ubuntu distro i tried (granted it was quite a while ago), had the root login disabled per default |
| 18:32.36 | gravity | RoenieSrvr: This isn't ubuntu and that's not sudo's fault. |
| 18:32.37 | spook00 | "sudo -i" |
| 18:32.37 | jpinx | wtf is the issue? su works and sudo is another way of doing stuff as root |
| 18:32.46 | maligor | RoenieSrvr, still does |
| 18:32.57 | gravity | abrotman: su'ing to root won't make that any better. It then just becomes "oh, I'll su to root" |
| 18:33.17 | orioni | had s.o tried video on multicast address rtp ? |
| 18:33.20 | Zambezi | I need some assistance to configure dual monitor in Ratpoison. Lenny without Gnome/KDE/Xfce. My xorg.conf seems to lack some settings. "Configured Video Device" seems abit unspecified. |
| 18:33.23 | jpinx | su-ing to root is dangerous for n00bs |
| 18:33.26 | valdyn | abrotman: and they'll "sudo gimp" |
| 18:33.28 | abrotman | gravity: does it cache your password? at least i know enough to exit the root shell when i'm done with it .. |
| 18:33.32 | gravity | jpinx: But necessary |
| 18:33.32 | valdyn | abrotman: true indeed |
| 18:34.02 | orioni | sth with vlc ? |
| 18:34.02 | gravity | abrotman: It does cache access somehow, I'm not sure if it does that by storing your password or something more funky |
| 18:34.12 | RoenieSrvr | jpinx, and sudo isn't? |
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| 18:34.29 | gravity | abrotman: But you have to remember to exit your shell. Not everyone remembers to do so. I've forgotten about su'ed shells lying around plenty while doing deep work. |
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| 18:34.40 | gravity | Being able to sudo and install packages while testing them during development saves me from that. |
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| 18:35.00 | jpinx | each to their own - I'm used to using a highly configured sudo |
| 18:35.21 | abrotman | gravity: yes, you have to remember .. it doesn't remember for you .. |
| 18:35.32 | gravity | abrotman: Why is this bad? |
| 18:35.47 | abrotman | gravity: as opposed to sudo, that unless oyu tell it otherwise caches your password for what .. 15 minutes IIRC ? |
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| 18:35.52 | blackflag | Hello all:) Im having problems with using nfs4 with lenny (client) and ubuntu server 8.10. I can see the mounts on lenny but when Im trying to use fstab with mounts I dont have luck. Im not able to share the mounts with fstab: 10.100.100.10:/srv/nfs4/musik /home/stefan/testmount nfs4 _netdev,auto 0 0 What is wrong? Can someone help? |
| 18:36.08 | gravity | abrotman: I think it's 10, but yes. Again, why is this bad? |
| 18:36.21 | jpinx | you set sudo to cache the pwd for as long as you want - default is 3 mins iirc |
| 18:36.35 | gravity | heh, now I'm curious |
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| 18:37.00 | gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.00 | gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.00 | gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.01 | gravity | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:37.09 | jpinx | I config to not ask me for the pwd for certain commands |
| 18:37.10 | gravity | Heh, that was so worth it :-) |
| 18:37.18 | gravity | I haven't been booted in a *long* time |
| 18:37.34 | abrotman | see .. two people that use sudo .. and either know how long it caches it for .. |
| 18:37.39 | nsadmin | looks like dpkg doesn't discriminate toward irc ops :)i |
| 18:37.43 | blackflag | mounting 10.100.100.10:/srv/nfs4/musik failed, reason given by server: |
| 18:37.44 | blackflag | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.56 | gravity | abrotman: And how does this matter? |
| 18:38.02 | blackflag | but I can see the share with showmount |
| 18:38.05 | jpinx | abrotman: my sudoers file was edited along time ago |
| 18:38.28 | gravity | abrotman: You still haven't explained it. You're simply begging the question that having to remember to log out is better. |
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| 18:40.03 | abrotman | better than having a shell laying around that you can't even tell if you have different permissions? |
| 18:40.34 | Ace2017_- | sepult: i have extmod now, i enabled something that was previously disabled |
| 18:40.34 | gravity | You don't have those permissions without explicitly using sudo anyway. |
| 18:40.46 | Ace2017_- | or i ran find on the correct directory this time |
| 18:40.49 | sepult | Ace2017_-: load extmod ? |
| 18:40.55 | sepult | in xorg.conf ? |
| 18:41.02 | Ace2017_- | sepult: nope, not yet, still have to recompile xgl |
| 18:41.12 | valdyn | isnt xgl obsolete? |
| 18:41.17 | gravity | ... xgl? |
| 18:41.20 | RoenieSrvr | the timeout always occurs when you're right in the middle of something |
| 18:41.21 | sepult | glx |
| 18:41.24 | Ace2017_- | obsolete but amazing |
| 18:41.40 | RoenieSrvr | makes you type sudo and the pwd again at awkward moments |
| 18:41.40 | valdyn | the thing that aiglx does better |
| 18:41.41 | sepult | Ace2017_-: is it a free version utilizing 3d ? |
| 18:41.41 | gravity | Ace2017_-: And pointless. Why not run the normal ddx? |
| 18:41.48 | abrotman | gravity: and that most people misconfigure it .. |
| 18:41.58 | Ace2017_- | i want xgl, nothing is as good as xgl |
| 18:41.58 | abrotman | wants to make this thing not lump .. grr |
| 18:42.16 | valdyn | Ace2017_-: in which way is it better? |
| 18:42.17 | gravity | Ace2017_-: How so? |
| 18:42.23 | Ace2017_- | sepult: i plan to run it with nvidia or fglrx |
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| 18:42.39 | abrotman | see .. sudo usage leads to xgl! |
| 18:42.44 | Ace2017_- | gravity and valdyn: kde4 and compiz are much more resposnive with xgl |
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| 18:42.54 | gravity | I thought those supported aiglx now |
| 18:43.05 | gravity | ugh |
| 18:43.15 | gravity | Well... if you want to use xgl have fun I guess. |
| 18:43.27 | Ace2017_- | aiglx is ok but not fast enough, especially the run box in kde, its amazingly fast in xgl but slow and laggy on aiglx |
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| 18:43.48 | valdyn | now i think you dont know what you are talking about |
| 18:43.58 | valdyn | because there is only a small difference if any |
| 18:44.07 | valdyn | ( performance wise ) |
| 18:44.09 | gravity | Yeah, I'm wondering how this is even possible. |
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| 18:44.23 | valdyn | and except that theres things that xgl does not do at all |
| 18:44.26 | gravity | Although somehow I doubt he knows |
| 18:44.43 | Ace2017_- | or cares |
| 18:45.22 | gravity | Well, you might want to care since it has been abandoned and the normal X server is the future. |
| 18:45.41 | gravity | And, frankly, the past. |
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| 18:45.57 | Ace2017_- | gravity: hopefully by the time it breaks aiglx would be good enough to replace it |
| 18:46.32 | gravity | Ace2017_-: It is good enough to replace it. This is the first I've heard otherwise. |
| 18:46.57 | Ace2017_- | guess people who wanted xgl had to settle for aiglx because it was "better" |
| 18:47.10 | gravity | shrugs |
| 18:47.20 | Ace2017_- | gets back to compiling |
| 18:47.26 | dury | lenny says it's nvidia-xconfig installed |
| 18:47.42 | dury | how can I edit it |
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| 18:48.40 | dury | or lanch it |
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| 18:49.42 | Szczur | hello |
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| 18:49.50 | Ace2017_- | Szczur: hi |
| 18:50.04 | Szczur | i have small problem with lenny |
| 18:50.12 | valdyn | dury: /usr/bin/nvidia-xconfig is in the package nvidia-xconfig |
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| 18:50.39 | Szczur | I have Nvidia Geforce 2 MX 440 |
| 18:51.29 | Szczur | and yesterday i was installing debian and iit worked with nvidia-glx-legacy |
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| 18:52.30 | Szczur | but that computer had broken mainboard so i installed system on other computer |
| 18:52.57 | Ace2017_- | a broken motherboard? how? |
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| 18:53.22 | frostschutz | kicked it one time too many :) |
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| 18:54.45 | dury | valdyn: how configure the nvidia geforce 8 8800 card, then? |
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| 18:55.36 | Szczur | and today i do the same thing as before |
| 18:55.59 | Szczur | but now it didn't work |
| 18:56.40 | Szczur | whem i'm using nv driver it seems to be allright |
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| 18:57.37 | Ace2017_- | Szczur: what errors did you get in xorg's log? (/var/log/Xorg.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old) |
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| 18:57.56 | Szczur | wait Ace2017_- |
| 18:58.02 | Ace2017_- | ok |
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| 19:01.10 | dury | valdyn: is it possible to lanch nvidia-xconfig to change resolution configuration |
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| 19:03.27 | Ace2017_- | dury: are you using nvidia now? |
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| 19:05.00 | Ace2017_- | dury: are you using kde? |
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| 19:06.04 | dury | gnome |
| 19:06.19 | Ace2017_- | oh |
| 19:06.31 | dury | yeah using nvidia right now |
| 19:06.34 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, Should I send you full xorg.0.log? |
| 19:06.56 | dury | geforce 8 8800 card. |
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| 19:07.30 | Schuenemann | hey, / is mounted in a partition and /home in another. How can I access /'s trash can? |
| 19:07.32 | Ace2017_- | well install x11-xserver-utils then add xrandr -s 1280x1024 to gnome's autostart |
| 19:07.37 | Ace2017_- | dury: well install x11-xserver-utils then add xrandr -s 1280x1024 to gnome's autostart |
| 19:07.44 | steven__ | hmm debian man page for iptables mentions TRACE but debian doesn't seem to ship with it ? |
| 19:08.19 | Ace2017_- | Szczur: use a pastebin like pastebin.com |
| 19:08.41 | dury | Ace2017_ : drive me to do it |
| 19:08.48 | dury | first |
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| 19:08.51 | Ace2017_- | ?? |
| 19:09.12 | Szczur | i know Ace2017_- |
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| 19:10.42 | gaintsura | how can I upgrade from etch to lenny? no format, etc? |
| 19:11.03 | Ace2017_- | !etchtolenny |
| 19:11.32 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, http://pastebin.com/m2b422fe0 |
| 19:11.34 | gaintsura | I think that failed |
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| 19:12.03 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, this is when i'm using nvidia driver |
| 19:12.10 | abrotman | !tell gaintsura about etch->lenny |
| 19:12.11 | Ace2017_- | gaintsura: well you can change etch to lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:12.27 | abrotman | Ace2017_-: that's not quite right ... |
| 19:12.50 | joltcan | gaintsura: http://tinyurl.com/czzb5m |
| 19:12.56 | gaintsura | ah, and then apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; |
| 19:13.22 | dury | Ace2017_: x11-xserver-utils is already the newest version. |
| 19:13.27 | gaintsura | joltcan: =D good one |
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| 19:13.52 | cusco | should read them upgrade note |
| 19:13.53 | cusco | s |
| 19:13.56 | dury | Ace2017_ : and now....? |
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| 19:14.10 | abrotman | gaintsura: no .. read what the bot told you |
| 19:14.22 | jair | hello everybody |
| 19:14.28 | gaintsura | abrotman: yeah I know, I am, his link was un-related |
| 19:14.30 | joltcan | gaintsura: one of the hits was http://www.go2linux.org/upgrading-debian, that seems to cover it well |
| 19:14.41 | abrotman | !tell joltcan about etch->lenny |
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| 19:15.07 | Ace2017_- | Szczur: whats wrong? it looks fine |
| 19:15.23 | joltcan | abrotman: Thanks, but I've already upgrade my 20+ servers |
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| 19:15.37 | abrotman | joltcan: then you've read the release notes? |
| 19:15.45 | Schuenemann | can anyone tell me how can I access the trash can for / ? I have to delete stuff there |
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| 19:16.08 | maligor | Schuenemann, silly question :P |
| 19:16.10 | dury | Ace2017_: xrandr -s 1280x1024 to gnome's autostart.... how is that? |
| 19:16.17 | maligor | the trash can is entirely a user-only desktop feature |
| 19:16.30 | Ace2017_- | dury: yea thats why i asked if you use kde, i don't use gnome |
| 19:16.35 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, But it isn't :/ |
| 19:16.52 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, this is log when i'm using nv driver |
| 19:16.53 | maligor | Schuenemann, you'll need escalated privileges to do that |
| 19:16.55 | Ace2017_- | Szczur: does X crash or does the monitor not come on? |
| 19:16.56 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, http://pastebin.com/m499c2713 |
| 19:16.57 | Schuenemann | maligor, if I delete something in /var/cache with nautilus it doesn't go to trash can? |
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| 19:17.20 | maligor | Schuenemann, probably it does |
| 19:17.26 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, Monitor isn't coming on |
| 19:17.33 | dury | Ace2017_ : right... sorry! |
| 19:17.35 | maligor | Schuenemann, you can just use the 'delete' key in nautilus for deleting files |
| 19:17.40 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, But i dont know why |
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| 19:17.48 | Schuenemann | maligor, but that makes them go to trash |
| 19:17.51 | Ace2017_- | Szczur: you'll have to set the modeline and resolutions |
| 19:17.54 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, yesterday it was working fine |
| 19:18.06 | Ace2017_- | Szczur: did you change your xorg.conf? |
| 19:18.15 | maligor | Schuenemann, it'll move them into the user trash or alternatively into root user Trash :P |
| 19:18.27 | maligor | Schuenemann, there's no global trash construct |
| 19:18.33 | Schuenemann | maligor, where is root user trash, then? |
| 19:19.04 | maligor | /root/.local/share/Trash |
| 19:19.06 | maligor | I imagine |
| 19:19.08 | dury | xrandr -s 1280x1024 to gnome's autostart.... how can i do that channel |
| 19:19.09 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, naaah... But i'm using nvidia-xconfig to generate xorg.conf |
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| 19:19.40 | Ace2017_- | Szczur: if the modeline is wrong the monitor will most likely just go into standby |
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| 19:20.52 | Schuenemann | maligor, just a sec |
| 19:21.09 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, but it was working fine yesterday with the same settings. |
| 19:21.11 | dury | xrandr -s 1280x1024 to gnome's autostart.... how can i do that, valdyn? |
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| 19:21.42 | maligor | Schuenemann, if you remember the filename you can just use updatedb and locate |
| 19:21.53 | Schuenemann | maligor, actually I want to remove it |
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| 19:22.10 | Ace2017_- | dury: does gnome in debain etch have System -> Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup Programs ?? |
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| 19:22.31 | Schuenemann | maligor, let me explain: I tried to compile openoffice but it fill my partition, which had over 10 GB free. I then deleted the contents of /var/cache/apt-build with nautilus, but nothing was freed. |
| 19:22.32 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, and monitor is not in standby mode because the led is neither yellow nor blinking. |
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| 19:23.19 | Ace2017_- | Szczur: what is the monitor doing? |
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| 19:23.36 | maligor | Schuenemann, compile openoffice? are you mad? :P |
| 19:23.43 | dury | Ace2017_ : yeah |
| 19:23.51 | Schuenemann | maligor, yes... I'll never do that again |
| 19:24.25 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, it's just black however led is green like in normal working state. |
| 19:24.27 | Ace2017_- | dury: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1817920&postcount=3 |
| 19:24.35 | dury | there is in lenny too Ace2017_ |
| 19:24.37 | maligor | Schuenemann, what user did you delete them with? |
| 19:24.52 | Schuenemann | maligor, root, since it was in /var |
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| 19:25.08 | Schuenemann | maligor, the trash has a lot of stuff. I'll delete all and see how much is free |
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| 19:25.54 | edju | I can't get printing to work from a mac to this debian server. I think everything's correct on the mac, but I need to edit cupsd.conf. Anyone with a pointer to a good cupsd.conf which would allow ipp printing? |
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| 19:27.17 | edju | I mean, edit cupsd.conf on this server. |
| 19:27.22 | Ace2017_- | Szczur: does by any chance sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg work? |
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| 19:27.40 | wonderwal | which package provides gcc binary? |
| 19:28.07 | Ace2017_- | wonderwal: apt-file search gcc|grep /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 19:28.12 | module000 | dunno, but build-essentials contains the run of the mill gcc/g++ and the rest of the usuals |
| 19:28.35 | Ace2017_- | module000: but apt-file will give you all the versions :D |
| 19:28.36 | dury | no idea how to do it |
| 19:28.43 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, yes, but then i'm not using nvidia driver only nv |
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| 19:29.03 | wad | I finally did it! I upgraded my server from etch to lenny! (Unfortunately, my email is now somewhat broken, and I don't know why. I use Maildir under IMAP with dovecot and imapproxy. Some users can no longer send email, it just keeps asking for their password. Anyone else notice this?) |
| 19:29.34 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, besides xorg.conf after dpkg-reconfigure is almost blank :D |
| 19:29.37 | Ace2017_- | Szczur: after running that maybe you can switch to nvidia, also has VertRefresh and HorizSync been set in xorg.conf? |
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| 19:29.56 | Ace2017_- | Szczur: yea it causes xorg to autodetect more things |
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| 19:31.31 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, i tried to add line (Driver "nvidia") but after that it "amazingly" didn't work. |
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| 19:31.38 | Ace2017_- | Szczur: based on (II) NV(0): Configured Monitor: Using hsync range of 31.47-68.68 kHz (II) NV(0): Configured Monitor: Using vrefresh range of 43.48-87.85 Hz |
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| 19:31.42 | Danker | Hi |
| 19:31.47 | bittin | Hi |
| 19:31.57 | module000 | hi |
| 19:31.58 | Danker | How do I insall kdrive in debian? |
| 19:32.16 | Danker | Is it possible through packages? |
| 19:32.27 | Schuenemann | maligor, taking ages to delete everything. That openoffice is a monster |
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| 19:33.39 | Szczur | Ace2017_-, so just tell me what lines and where i have to add it |
| 19:33.56 | module000 | Danker: apt-cache show xserver-xephyr |
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| 19:34.11 | module000 | Danker: that's a more up-to-date xserver built on kdrive |
| 19:34.28 | Danker | module000: Does it support trident driver? |
| 19:34.58 | thechef | the application "cheese" always uses /dev/video0, but i want it to use /dev/video1. How can I achieve that? |
| 19:35.05 | Danker | Maybe there is a place where I can check that all info? |
| 19:35.22 | module000 | Danker: I don't know, check the website it lists |
| 19:35.35 | module000 | Danker: apt-cache show xserver-xephyr : that will give you information on the package |
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| 19:36.01 | macman_ | guys im trying to move all docs to another destinaion .. can i just do cp "*.doc" /destinaion ? |
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| 19:36.16 | Danker | module000: Thanks |
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| 19:38.11 | orioni | how can i lower the fond size during the boot of the machine ? |
| 19:38.28 | Schuenemann | maligor, done. I have 12 GB more than before. Thanks |
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| 19:39.51 | thoht | on a live usb key created with live-helper, is there a way to unplug the key with the system still running ? (for instance copying the key on a tmpfs ?) |
| 19:40.47 | wonderwal | how do i check which version of libpng i have? |
| 19:40.56 | simonrvn | orioni: pick another font |
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| 19:43.13 | Ace2017_- | Szczur: if you se the horizsync and vertrefresh to what nv uses it might work so try it http://pastebin.com/d1d942b4 |
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| 19:44.29 | thechef | I want cheese to use my webcam and not my tv card |
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| 19:44.33 | cusco | hi! I have gnome installed! What do you advise to use as a sip softphone client? |
| 19:44.50 | offby1 | Is this a good channel for asking questions about Debianizing some software, or is there a better channel? |
| 19:45.09 | Ace2017_- | offby1: what do you mean by debianizing? |
| 19:45.20 | Ace2017_- | make some debian debs or add it to the repos? |
| 19:45.27 | asg|nb | offby1: this is fine but read the maintainer's guide first (/msg dpkg mg) |
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| 19:46.33 | Ace2017_- | bye all |
| 19:46.37 | offby1 | asg|nb: thanks. |
| 19:46.40 | Ace2017_- | i'm off in my search of xorg |
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| 19:49.25 | offby1 | OK, so I'm creating my first Debian package. When the package is installed, I want it to add a new user. I assume that I should stick a call to "adduser" in the postinst, and similarly stick a call to deluser in the postrm. Does that sound reasonable? (The Policy says that adduser is fine to put in postinst, but says nothing about deluser). |
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| 19:51.19 | module000 | offby1: I don't have the policy brought up - but I would prompt to delete a user at the least |
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| 19:51.40 | abrotman | offby1: or ask #debian-mentors on OFTC .. though ISTR the user is left there |
| 19:52.02 | offby1 | abrotman: thanks. |
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| 19:52.54 | offby1 | I should probably just find some popular package that adds a user, and see what it does. I figured I'd look at lighttpd, but to my surprise, it seems that the www-data user was present before I even installed that package. |
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| 19:55.42 | vadmeste | Hi. I just tried to upgrade my Debian, so he downloaded new packages, and when he starts to replace files, I accidentally removed some files in /var/cache/apt. So now it's like Debian consider that new packages is installed because when I try to do that "apt-get update" there are no changes in package list. Even apt-get upgrade doesn't do anything. What should I do ? |
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| 19:58.12 | doleyb | vadmeste: Does it help to apt-get check ? |
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| 19:59.03 | vadmeste | doleyb, I did a dkpg --configure -a |
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| 19:59.45 | vadmeste | doleyb, but apt-get check doesn't do anything, all is ok for him. |
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| 20:02.59 | xororand | hi. where can i find nightly iceweasel/firefox builds for debian x86_64? the current stable version is vulnerable |
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| 20:03.57 | module000 | xororand: svn |
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| 20:04.39 | jetpda | wheeeeeee |
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| 20:13.08 | Ace2017_- | custom xorg seems to work |
| 20:14.09 | gaintsura | if I'm ssh'd into a server and I log out, after ctrl+Z on a process, will it continue to run if I logout? |
| 20:14.21 | Ace2017_- | (it can't switch to tty and its using en_us keyboard layout, apart form that its fine) |
| 20:14.43 | fengor | gaintsura: as far as i remember no, use screen for leaving prcesses running |
| 20:14.58 | gaintsura | fengor: the process is already running, can screen take it? |
| 20:15.20 | fengor | gaintsura: no it has to be started from inside screen as far as i know |
| 20:15.23 | gaintsura | shite |
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| 20:16.59 | Dillizar | where can i dfind a torrent for |
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| 20:17.08 | Dillizar | debian with XFCE |
| 20:17.22 | fengor | Dillizar: debian.org |
| 20:17.37 | gaintsura | file 43 of 261 or so.... |
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| 20:18.32 | fengor | gaintsura: Entry: 5800 of 15458 |
| 20:18.35 | fengor | i feel your pain ;p |
| 20:18.54 | Dillizar | i can see ony cd from 1 to 31 |
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| 20:19.42 | kernel | hi,in what directory/file i can see error,warning,panic,of boot kernel? |
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| 20:20.01 | fengor | Dillizar: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 20:20.18 | fengor | found it in like 5seconds on debian.org ;) |
| 20:20.49 | gaintsura | kernel: dmesg | tail or dmesg, and /var/log/messages |
| 20:20.49 | Dillizar | yes |
| 20:20.55 | Dillizar | but there are 31 cd |
| 20:20.59 | gaintsura | O.o |
| 20:21.04 | gaintsura | 31CD's??? |
| 20:21.11 | Dillizar | click it |
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| 20:21.37 | Dillizar | fengor: |
| 20:21.39 | fengor | Dillizar: open your damn eyes! |
| 20:21.48 | Dillizar | the last one |
| 20:21.48 | fengor | and scroll to the bottom of the page |
| 20:22.02 | fengor | debian-500-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 20:22.06 | gaintsura | heh |
| 20:22.22 | gaintsura | wth are the 31 other cds for? |
| 20:22.24 | Dillizar | but i want only xfce |
| 20:22.30 | Dillizar | yes |
| 20:22.48 | gaintsura | Dillizar: you get hte option to install lxde or xfce |
| 20:22.55 | fengor | gaintsura: the whole debian repository on cd. in case you cant use a network connection |
| 20:23.07 | gaintsura | oh |
| 20:23.11 | gaintsura | wow |
| 20:23.13 | gaintsura | thats a lot |
| 20:24.09 | sepult | gah, i recovered this time properly |
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| 20:25.38 | jelly-home | judd: versions xfwm4 |
| 20:25.38 | judd | jelly-home: xfwm4 -- etch: 4.3.99.2-1 etch-backports: 4.4.2-1~bpo40+2 lenny: 4.4.2-5 sid: 4.4.2-5 squeeze: 4.4.2-5 |
| 20:26.04 | jelly-home | judd: versions xfwm4 --arch amd64 |
| 20:26.04 | judd | jelly-home: xfwm4 -- etch: 4.3.99.2-1 etch-backports: 4.4.2-1~bpo40+2 lenny: 4.4.2-5 sid: 4.4.2-5 squeeze: 4.4.2-5 experimental: 4.6.0-1 |
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| 20:26.12 | jelly-home | :-( |
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| 20:27.02 | gaintsura | facedownGRUMPY: still having the same problems you were earlier? |
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| 20:32.12 | facedownGRUMPY | gaintsura: havent had time to actually do this, heh. thanks for askin' tho |
| 20:32.17 | facedownGRUMPY | busy ass day |
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| 20:33.17 | Ace2017_- | is Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Sysresq+S the same as doing sync in the command line? |
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| 20:38.16 | Orbixx | How do I install the devel version of the openssl library on lenny? |
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| 20:40.13 | hark | Orbixx: libssl-dev |
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| 20:40.32 | Orbixx | thanks |
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| 20:42.45 | kernel | gaintsura but /var/log/messages not reported warnings that i have see during in the boot |
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| 20:43.10 | keith4 | is there a command to list users in a given group? |
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| 20:44.14 | gaintsura | kernel: that would be dmesg then of boot.log maybe in /var/log? |
| 20:44.33 | gaintsura | facedownGRUMPY: I hear that, my day is half as busy as it was supposed to be |
| 20:44.43 | asg|nb | keith4: grep <group> /etc/group |
| 20:44.56 | asg|nb | keith4: also, see getent |
| 20:45.02 | keith4 | ah, yes. duh |
| 20:45.03 | keith4 | thanks |
| 20:45.23 | jelly-home | asg|nb: won't show the users that have it as primary group |
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| 20:45.29 | keith4 | i was hoping for something analogous to "groups" |
| 20:45.59 | keith4 | like, 'groups keith' shows what groups keith is in. maybe 'something www-data' would show who's in www-data? |
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| 20:46.14 | asg|nb | jelly-home: no but a simple script to check getent passwd and getent group would suffice |
| 20:46.22 | asg|nb | keith4: ^^^ |
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| 20:46.29 | asg|nb | keith4: a simple script should suffice |
| 20:46.35 | keith4 | k, thanks |
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| 20:46.43 | keith4 | just wanted to make sure i wasn't reinventing the wheel |
| 20:47.02 | kernel | gaintsura: nope,nobody file in the directory /var/log report my warning during boot |
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| 20:47.39 | geaaru | hi, i use lenny version and i have installed ntfs-3g package, but when i insert usb hardisk ntfs partitions aren't mounted, are there |
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| 20:48.06 | geaaru | some configurations to fix ... for example hal policy configuration file or other? |
| 20:48.18 | asg|nb | geaaru: can you mount the partitions manually? |
| 20:49.08 | geaaru | yes, i can, but not users that doesn't work with shell |
| 20:49.29 | asg|nb | geaaru: then udev hackage is most likely what you need |
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| 20:50.31 | geaaru | ah ok, so you said that i can mount external partition through hardisk serial identification or other? |
| 20:50.46 | geaaru | where i can found same tutorial? |
| 20:51.08 | asg|nb | geaaru: something like that. Someone else can likely help you with udev, I don't have a whole lot of familiarity with it myself. |
| 20:51.35 | geaaru | k thank you very much for reply |
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| 21:00.22 | robd | Hey guys |
| 21:00.28 | robd | Are there any kernel experts here? |
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| 21:00.45 | robd | I had a kernel panic on a Etch box that ended in swiotlb_unmap_sg |
| 21:00.56 | robd | I've got a screenshot of the backtrace |
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| 21:04.32 | catap | robd: can you upload to imagehosting? |
| 21:04.45 | robd | catap: Sure thing |
| 21:05.29 | morteng | cim simula nonexistent in lenny, |
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| 21:06.35 | morteng | pleae how can I search for cim ? |
| 21:06.48 | phantomcircuit | When I open .mp4 files it opens with Totem, but I want it to open with vlc, but I cant seem to find a setting to change this |
| 21:06.50 | robd | catap: http://gallery.me.com/robpalmer3/100247 |
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| 21:09.02 | bampo | catap: hi |
| 21:09.07 | morteng | hi |
| 21:09.17 | catap | bampo: hi |
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| 21:09.45 | CoolCold | multi_io: hi |
| 21:09.49 | CoolCold | argh |
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| 21:10.01 | CoolCold | bampo: wow |
| 21:10.01 | robd | catap: Any ideas? |
| 21:10.15 | catap | robd: that the system is it? |
| 21:10.36 | robd | catap: Yep, that's the kernel panic |
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| 21:10.53 | robd | catap: I'm wondering if the swiotlb isn't big enough or something |
| 21:11.10 | catap | robd: ok. You install new system (etch) to real server -- i'm right understand? |
| 21:12.34 | robd | catap: Yep |
| 21:12.39 | robd | catap: It's a Dell 2950 |
| 21:13.29 | mukhin | how can I install nv drivers? |
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| 21:14.05 | catap | robd: you have a this error on boot from installer? |
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| 21:15.54 | robd | catap: No, the machine has been running for a few months |
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| 21:16.24 | sepult | i keep getting gateway timeouts, wth ?? |
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| 21:17.17 | catap | robd: really strange. You change system? |
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| 21:17.59 | catap | (upgrae kernel for example) |
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| 21:19.03 | robd | catap: No, nothing has changed |
| 21:19.25 | robd | catap: I was hoping we could go through the back trace and see if there are any kernel tweaks to make it more stable |
| 21:19.33 | robd | catap: There is a LOT of disk I/O on this server |
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| 21:19.57 | phantomcircuit | When I open .mp4 files it opens with Totem, but I want it to open with vlc, but I cant seem to find a setting to change this |
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| 21:20.15 | catap | robd: maybe you system have a hardware issue? |
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| 21:21.36 | robd | catap: I'm guessing you aren't a kernel expert... |
| 21:21.48 | robd | catap: There is no hardware issue that I could diagnose |
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| 21:22.04 | robd | catap: But I was worried that the TLB was being filled to the brim |
| 21:22.07 | catap | robd: on 1 a.m. i'm nobody :( |
| 21:22.37 | spook00 | Is there any hardware compatibility list for Lenny? Specifically, I'd like to see if my wireless card will cause me any problems when I upgrade. |
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| 21:23.24 | robd | catap: It's cool, no worries |
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| 21:27.59 | Ace2017_- | xgl is a lot slower than i remember it |
| 21:28.40 | Fjordside_ | hey what kernel is debian stable at? |
| 21:28.57 | Ace2017_- | Fjordside_: you can look it up at packages.debian.org |
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| 21:29.38 | akb_behnam | hey all |
| 21:29.57 | akb_behnam | I have a problem! |
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| 21:30.27 | ajavid | I have a problem with people who have problems but all they say is hi, I have a problem, instead of telling us what actual problem is. |
| 21:30.33 | ajavid | akb_behnam, can you help me with my problem? |
| 21:30.43 | asg|nb | !smart questions |
| 21:30.43 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
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| 21:30.48 | ajavid | asg! |
| 21:30.54 | jpereira | hey all, i install the lenny from DVD. but the gnome not auto mount medis, eg: stick device. i think that the service gvfs-hal-volume-monitor is not running becouse don't have rule in dbus for starting the service. |
| 21:30.59 | jpereira | is a bug? |
| 21:31.09 | morteng | filing a bug report, assign to; what do i insert here? for FEniCS.org ? |
| 21:31.11 | r0nin | Ive got an old compaq that when I try to install debian then keyboard is undetected, what can I do? |
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| 21:32.20 | akb_behnam | I deleted /etc/apache2 directory , now I removed apache and installed it again but it does not create /etc/apache directory , I used apt , I test purge and re,pve but after install does not exist yet ! |
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| 21:34.24 | avtobiff | akb_behnam, did you remove apache2.2-common |
| 21:34.34 | avtobiff | akb_behnam, s/remove/reinstall/ |
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| 21:36.12 | Saz|Laptop | is there a way to convert a 32 bit install to 64 bit without reinstalling or just replacing the kernel |
| 21:36.20 | ajavid | avtobiff, no good |
| 21:36.34 | ajavid | akb_behnam, you need /msg dpkg cofmiss |
| 21:36.37 | ajavid | akb_behnam, you need /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 21:37.00 | ajavid | then put it on the common package |
| 21:37.08 | g3brown | having trouble with exim4 & verizon's smtp. I'm getting "No MAIL FROM command has been issued". Any exim4 guru around? |
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| 21:37.14 | ajavid | THEN it will redo your config files etc. |
| 21:37.16 | avtobiff | ajavid, ty |
| 21:37.21 | ajavid | np |
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| 21:38.18 | akb_behnam | avtobiff: apt-get remove apache2.2-common helped me , thanks |
| 21:38.25 | Ace2017_- | what can i do to fix this?? E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates (1) |
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| 21:43.50 | Saz|Laptop | is there a way to convert a 32 bit install to 64 bit without reinstalling or just replacing the kernel |
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| 21:46.59 | morteng | <r0nin> I think I have an idea, are you reading? |
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| 21:47.43 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: do you want just a 64bit kernel, or everything ? |
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| 21:47.57 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, a 64 bit install |
| 21:48.13 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: reinstall or debootstrap (which is effectively a reinstall) |
| 21:48.22 | Saz|Laptop | its a freshly imaged system with nothing i need to back up, but i only have remote access |
| 21:48.35 | Saz|Laptop | so in other words i only have one shot |
| 21:48.35 | deb386 | hi everybody... quick question, i hope... i am running debian "bo" 1.3.1 on my 386 (yes yes yes i know lol) |
| 21:48.51 | deb386 | i keep getting a lot of eth0 warning messages dumped to my stdout |
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| 21:49.07 | deb386 | any way to redirect those to a file?? |
| 21:49.11 | deb386 | it gets extremely annoying |
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| 21:49.42 | pipegeek | Is it a bad idea to have a linux software raid5 mounted rw while a spare is rebuilding? |
| 21:50.29 | deb386 | anybody know how to redirect those eth0 messages to a file instead of stdout?? |
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| 21:51.27 | morteng | something like > /tmp/error.txt maybe some >2& IIRC ? |
| 21:51.50 | deb386 | where would i put this? |
| 21:52.13 | deb386 | remember this is like kernel 2.0.29 |
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| 21:52.42 | morteng | I use to submit these logs to pastebin, but that can be fraught with pril if they have mac addresses or ip adresses. |
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| 21:53.12 | deb386 | yeah its no errors just a warning here and there |
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| 21:53.27 | deb386 | eth0 works great, just the warning get extremely annoying when i'm doing something |
| 21:53.37 | morteng | I started with debian potato, before that debian was greek to me. |
| 21:53.47 | deb386 | (i'm on the 386 now of course, works fine) |
| 21:53.48 | deb386 | ok |
| 21:53.53 | deb386 | i'll get back to google see if i can turn something up |
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| 21:54.03 | deb386 | thanks though |
| 21:54.19 | deb386 | google > rtfm |
| 21:54.23 | morteng | sure, stay tuned. |
| 21:54.39 | hark | deb386: try /msg dpkg klogd |
| 21:54.42 | Baron_Munchausen | Will the next point release have the latest kernel fixes? |
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| 21:56.58 | haxality | I'm recieving warnings on startup caused by a recent updates of module-init-tools. is there a way to suppress these warnings? |
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| 21:57.36 | K_Sakura | Fix the cause of the warnings. |
| 21:57.46 | deb386 | that helps i think hark |
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| 21:57.57 | haxality | the warnings are part of a transition from one config file naming scheme to another |
| 21:58.01 | deb386 | i was looking at klogd.conf already but wasnt sure what to add |
| 21:58.07 | haxality | I've read conflicting reports that renaming the offending files may break init |
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| 21:58.22 | abrotman | Baron_Munchausen: which kernel fixes? |
| 21:58.38 | haxality | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517954 |
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| 21:58.51 | Baron_Munchausen | The bugs listed on the site as having been discovered since the release of 5.0 |
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| 21:59.03 | haxality | so far the only dev to respond said "not fixing it" |
| 21:59.03 | MetalWolf | Hi, I have an issue with apt in etch. I can apt-get update and it pulls down updates to the repositry listings and I can search the cache, but everytime I do an apt-get install lately I get told that its not avaiable and is just referenced by another package.... any idea's what might be causing this? |
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| 21:59.28 | Baron_Munchausen | I was about to order 5.0 from LinuxCD but I see that r1 is scheduled in only a coupleof weeks. |
| 21:59.41 | hark | MetalWolf: /msg dpkg bat |
| 21:59.48 | abrotman | Baron_Munchausen: listed on which site? |
| 22:00.10 | abrotman | and i believe they will now be numbered as 5.0.1 |
| 22:00.10 | Baron_Munchausen | Uh, www.debian.org |
| 22:00.29 | abrotman | Baron_Munchausen: you mean the DSAs ? |
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| 22:00.49 | abrotman | thinks Ace2017 is annoying |
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| 22:02.01 | deb386 | ok i added -c 2 to the end of /sbin/klogd in /etc/init.d/sysklogd |
| 22:02.07 | Baron_Munchausen | Yeah, the security advisories. |
| 22:02.20 | KavanS | thinks Ace2017 needs to "save the planet" and logoff |
| 22:02.20 | deb386 | i think this should work, i also killed the klogd process and started it again with /sbin/klogd -c 2 |
| 22:02.21 | MetalWolf | hark: thanks |
| 22:02.29 | deb386 | so if it works, i'll know quickly i guess heh |
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| 22:03.15 | Baron_Munchausen | Also, does the Debian kernal come as SMP by default? (Like SUSE) or does it install a single CPU version on single core processors? I hate that SUSE only does SMP kernels. It's not 'minimal' overhead on an older machine. |
| 22:04.04 | hark | Baron_Munchausen: all except the -486 are SMP |
| 22:04.35 | Baron_Munchausen | Argh... that's annoying. Lots of single core CPU are still inuse. |
| 22:04.49 | MetalWolf | what does an apt-cache policy where the value for a repository is -1 mean? |
| 22:05.14 | hark | MetalWolf: did you do some pinning for flash maybe? |
| 22:05.44 | amphi | Baron_Munchausen: an smp-enabled kernel doesn't introduce any overhead on single-core, I don't think |
| 22:06.01 | hark | MetalWolf: -1 => won't be installed |
| 22:06.05 | MetalWolf | hark: if by flash you mean adobe... ??? its not running x |
| 22:06.06 | Ace2017_happy | abrotman: it worked, i have xgl+compiz fusion and its every bit as fast as i remember it :D |
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| 22:06.29 | Baron_Munchausen | Well, if it doesn't then I can't see why there was such a large difference between the performance of SUSE and Fedora on my machine. I used XFCE in both cases. |
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| 22:06.49 | hark | MetalWolf: just asking, as it's the most reason |
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| 22:07.11 | hark | s/reason/common reason/ |
| 22:07.29 | MetalWolf | hark: when I do apt-cache policy on my system every one is -1 except for /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 22:07.55 | hark | MetalWolf: see your /etc/apt/preferences file |
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| 22:08.12 | stubram | please give some reference for some programs in linux for controling webcam under KDe |
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| 22:08.28 | vegbox | is it possible to offer dhcp address from vmbr0? |
| 22:08.33 | MetalWolf | oook I think I see |
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| 22:09.14 | MetalWolf | thanks hark!! |
| 22:09.25 | hark | np |
| 22:09.42 | MetalWolf | wonder how it got changed to -1 in there |
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| 22:12.45 | deb386 | (Gone, Talk to you when i return: [10 mins]) [BX-MsgLog On] |
| 22:12.53 | foetus | is it wise, to disable pthreads on an risky application? |
| 22:13.57 | Baron_Munchausen | Hmm, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ?highlight=%28SMP%29 semes to imply that SMP is only installed if the installer thinks you need it. I hope that's true. |
| 22:14.41 | abrotman | Baron_Munchausen: yes, they'll be included in the images then |
| 22:15.27 | Baron_Munchausen | Is there a list of things that will be updated in the point release? Not just bug fixes, but packages. Like will it have Open Office 3? |
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| 22:17.00 | xororand | stubram: you can use webcams with vlc |
| 22:17.36 | _DEL | if i use lsmod | grep ath, wht am i looking for to find my driver? |
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| 22:19.15 | keith4__ | I have a debian box connected to my stereo with optical digital audio. When i watch DVDs, it sounds great. Surround sound is great, etc. But when I play MP3s, it sounds terrible. Is there some alsa magic than can help me? I will I always have to futz with my stereo before playing MP3s? |
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| 22:24.17 | karsten | Is there a way to run rsync bidirectionally -- syncronize new files on both local and remote side at the same time? |
| 22:24.30 | g00se | I *was* running a script in the background permanently but decided to start it by using the /etc/init.d/skeleton. That appears to expect a real daemon though as it doesn't want to run the script in the background. What do i do? |
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| 22:30.25 | _DEL | when i use lsmod | grep ath, what exactly am looking for to find my driver? i have wlan_scan_sta,ath_rate_sample,ath_pci for wlan, and ath_rate_sample,ath_pci for ath_hal |
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| 22:31.37 | g00se | keith4_: How? I would simply run by appending & |
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| 22:32.17 | deb386 | k yeah klogd - c 2 fixed the annoying eth0 warning messages. haven't gotten one since i changed it. awesome. maybe that'll help somebody else it's the same thing in the latest debians. |
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| 22:42.46 | Rioting_Pacifist | when i watch fullscreen vids (not hd) lenny seams to skip every so often, afaik the cpu isnt maxed out and it seams to happen across xine/mplayer |
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| 22:45.48 | agua | hi |
| 22:45.52 | Mac101 | hmm i moved a debian virtual mahcine to another pc added it and did the same setup (the NAT interface thing) but now it doesnt seem to show eth0 when i do ifconfig & it cant get net? |
| 22:45.57 | agua | does someone know the channel for mactel linux? |
| 22:45.57 | Mac101 | hi |
| 22:47.20 | agua | is there a macbook user under debian? |
| 22:47.21 | agua | thanks |
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| 22:48.52 | renateitor | i've this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517954 |
| 22:48.58 | renateitor | anyone else? |
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| 23:00.23 | derStuGGr | hi, I can't seem to get my system sounds working, but my audio works fine. thx in advance |
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| 23:02.46 | abrotman | derStuGGr: in gnome? |
| 23:03.20 | derStuGGr | abrotman: hi yes in gnome |
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| 23:03.28 | derStuGGr | installed esound |
| 23:03.30 | derStuGGr | but no go |
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| 23:04.08 | abrotman | derStuGGr: did you install libesd-alsa0 ? |
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| 23:04.31 | GoatHoof | pidgin won't start |
| 23:04.47 | derStuGGr | hi lemme look |
| 23:04.47 | abrotman | why not? |
| 23:04.48 | GoatHoof | ERROR: Caught a segmentation fault while loading plugin file: |
| 23:04.48 | GoatHoof | /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstffmpeg.so |
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| 23:05.00 | abrotman | !search |
| 23:05.01 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt, or <bot help> |
| 23:05.53 | GoatHoof | abrotman were you responding to me? |
| 23:05.57 | abrotman | yes |
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| 23:06.21 | CoolCold | use .. if you're already here - nice note ;) |
| 23:06.27 | GoatHoof | search for what |
| 23:06.40 | abrotman | use apt-file to search for libgstffmpeg.so |
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| 23:07.08 | GoatHoof | it should be installed(I checked with synaptic) |
| 23:07.19 | clearscreen | is it possible to share pulseaudio over multiple x-servers? sound from my 2nd x-server is only heard on my 1st. couldn't find anything in pulse config |
| 23:07.33 | abrotman | okay .. then don't check |
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| 23:08.31 | GoatHoof | I guess I can file a bug |
| 23:08.43 | keith4_ | clearscreen, why are you using pulseaudio? |
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| 23:09.49 | clearscreen | Shouldn't I? |
| 23:10.19 | clearscreen | well, is it possible to share alsa across multiple x-servers then? |
| 23:11.51 | abrotman | GoatHoof: why would you file a bug? you don't even know what's wrong |
| 23:12.03 | johndoe | does this look weird? http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_1.1238107369.png |
| 23:12.46 | GoatHoof | the ffmpeg plugin has a seg fault, abrotman |
| 23:13.16 | GoatHoof | I could file a bug report with a strace |
| 23:14.47 | _DEL | when i start to compile a new proggy, i use './configure', that goes well, but when 'make', i get the error 'make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.' am i doing something wrong? |
| 23:14.53 | dondelelcaro | GoatHoof: so long as its the version that Debian distributes, file away, preferably with a coredump |
| 23:14.55 | hark | GoatHoof: make sure you are not using dmm packages first |
| 23:15.17 | GoatHoof | dmm? |
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| 23:15.28 | marctw | my and my friend we both are running debian 5.0 oon home servers and we want to connect them to a VPN server that is also running debian |
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| 23:16.30 | asg|nb | marctw: what sort of vpn server is it running? |
| 23:16.49 | marctw | pptpd |
| 23:17.47 | hark | GoatHoof: debian-multimedia.org /msg dpkg dmm |
| 23:17.55 | marctw | ideas? |
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| 23:18.12 | GoatHoof | thanks hark |
| 23:18.19 | asg|nb | marctw: then install and configure the pptp-linux client or, if you are using gnome, try network-manager-pptp |
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| 23:19.12 | zezinx | helo guys |
| 23:19.33 | derStuGGr | abrotman: hi again, thanks I got my system sounds to work.. BUT now my audio autodetect says device used by another application & I can't play back my FLACs now in rhythmbox |
| 23:20.01 | abrotman | derStuGGr: does rhythmbox have an audio output driver option ? |
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| 23:20.17 | marctw | we dont have GUI installed on our systems |
| 23:20.20 | CoolCold | let's make graphs on questions |
| 23:20.43 | corran | A quick question, has anyone else done a i386 -> amd64 upgrade? |
| 23:20.44 | marctw | so, from what you said there is a client package for pptpd. how is it called exactly? |
| 23:20.50 | asg|nb | marctw: then install and configure the pptp-linux client and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/pptp-linux |
| 23:20.52 | marctw | asg|nb ??? |
| 23:20.57 | corran | I am ... quite tempted to try it |
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| 23:21.17 | CoolCold | like "installing nvidia" - 20%, "installing ati" - 15% |
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| 23:22.32 | Rioting_Pacifist | clearscreen im not sure what you mean if i start multiple xservers on the same computer the audio is always mixed |
| 23:22.39 | asg|nb | CoolCold: no need for graphs, we have a bot |
| 23:22.43 | derStuGGr | abrotman: hi I checked the preferences but couldn't find a way to switch |
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| 23:23.45 | abrotman | derStuGGr: i don't really use rhythmbox.. i figured it would have a setting |
| 23:23.48 | catap | i'm be back |
| 23:23.50 | catap | hello |
| 23:24.22 | bittin | hello |
| 23:24.28 | vitor | when i want to down load debian 4 i have to choose 31cds witch one to choose |
| 23:24.38 | asg|nb | vitor: /msg dpkg ig |
| 23:24.44 | Rioting_Pacifist | vitor: netinstall |
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| 23:24.49 | jetscreamer | what's nb asg |
| 23:24.52 | vitor | no |
| 23:25.02 | catap | vics: you can choose net install and make happy your life ;) |
| 23:25.13 | jetscreamer | vitor you want cd#1 to start but you want debian5 don't you |
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| 23:25.28 | vitor | yes debian 5 |
| 23:25.28 | vitor | :D |
| 23:25.49 | jetscreamer | cd#1 has the most popular/used, then 2...3... |
| 23:25.57 | derStuGGr | abrotman: when I installed the alsa0 lib, it removed another lib... is there a way to go back and see what was removed in synaptic? |
| 23:26.00 | jetscreamer | you only need 1 but can get more |
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| 23:26.10 | jetscreamer | DVD |
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| 23:26.27 | asg|nb | one doesn't even need that one, that's why we should read the install guide (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 23:26.52 | jetscreamer | you can just get cd#1, burn it, install, then use the dvd iso's to install more stuff from |
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| 23:27.06 | jetscreamer | well if your box is netless |
| 23:27.27 | marctw | asg|nb: hm i installed the package but i cant figure out how to configure it..could you help me out? |
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| 23:27.36 | Rioting_Pacifist | is the xorg/mplayer in lenny really old? it seams to perform worse than ubuntu 8.04 did (im not using flgrx just standard radeon drivers) |
| 23:27.36 | jetscreamer | or unsupported wireless (only) |
| 23:27.37 | JW | I just did a new install of Lenny and gcc doesn't seem to be integrated with "alternatives" - is that normal? |
| 23:28.02 | marctw | asg|nb ??? |
| 23:28.23 | derStuGGr | abrotman: I found it.. it was libesd0 ESD shared libraries |
| 23:28.23 | jetscreamer | Rioting_Pacifist: try the debian-marillat one, it's usually newer... but mplayer 'just works'(tm) |
| 23:28.31 | jetscreamer | !debian-marillat |
| 23:28.37 | gigantor | any iptables experts in the house? |
| 23:28.42 | deb-eater | der0b, Check your synaptic log in /var/log/apt/term.log or /var/aptitude files |
| 23:28.43 | dvs | !multimedia |
| 23:28.43 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 23:28.50 | jetscreamer | oh duh |
| 23:28.54 | jetscreamer | marillat |
| 23:29.01 | asg|nb | marctw: read the docs in /usr/share/doc/pptp-linux client |
| 23:29.51 | Rioting_Pacifist | already using that and im getting skipping :( |
| 23:29.54 | asg|nb | s/ client$// |
| 23:30.08 | derStuGGr | hi, does anybody know how to stop & restart ALSA? thx |
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| 23:30.46 | asg|nb | gigantor: you can generally find them in #iptables |
| 23:30.55 | clearscreen1 | derStuGGr: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart should do it |
| 23:31.01 | derStuGGr | thx |
| 23:31.09 | _DEL | vitor, i did a net install from a sdcard, worked very well |
| 23:31.26 | Malf | If I'm switching from one hard drive to another but everything else on the system stays the same what's my best bet for migrating everything? |
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| 23:32.11 | wonderwal | does debian offer a version of the kernel for server use? |
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| 23:32.42 | asg|nb | wonderwal: the standard debian kernel is quite suitable for such things |
| 23:32.44 | jetscreamer | wonderwal: they're all the same |
| 23:33.03 | jetscreamer | you have to compile a preemptible kernel |
| 23:33.06 | jetscreamer | table |
| 23:33.10 | vitor | wait |
| 23:33.15 | vitor | debian is gnome or kde |
| 23:33.19 | asg|nb | vitor: neither |
| 23:33.21 | jetscreamer | either |
| 23:33.25 | jetscreamer | neither |
| 23:33.25 | gigantor | asg|nb: no one's responding in there and I'm using sarge so I thought I'd try here |
| 23:33.25 | asg|nb | vitor: it is as the user wishes |
| 23:33.34 | jetscreamer | either is available |
| 23:33.40 | dkr | Malf: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html |
| 23:33.51 | asg|nb | gigantor: you can ask but since sarge is no longer supported, you mileage may vary. |
| 23:33.58 | jetscreamer | or there's more than just gnome or kde even |
| 23:33.59 | Malf | dkr: Looks perfect. Thanks a bunch |
| 23:33.59 | vitor | cuz i am downloadig cd 1 and i dont know if its gnome or kde |
| 23:34.01 | wonderwal | but surely one should have a a kernel without sound,scanner,digital camera, preemption, etc? the more you have in the kernel, the more something can go wrong ? |
| 23:34.10 | jetscreamer | vitor: has some of both |
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| 23:34.18 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 23:34.28 | jetscreamer | what's the 'what's on cd' factoid? |
| 23:34.31 | asg|nb | wonderwal: yes, the kernel has things called 'modules' that only get loaded if supported hardware exists of if you want them. |
| 23:34.56 | vitor | i dont understand:D |
| 23:35.04 | asg|nb | vitor: /msg dpkg ig |
| 23:35.09 | jetscreamer | !what's on cd |
| 23:35.12 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:35.15 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 23:35.17 | marctw | asg|nb: i cant understand the guides on /usr/share/doc/pptp-linux could you explain a bit? |
| 23:35.23 | asg|nb | !cd contents |
| 23:35.23 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 23:35.52 | asg|nb | marctw: I'm not currently on a system that has that package installed, perhaps some others here can help. |
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| 23:36.44 | vitor | how old is LENNY |
| 23:36.58 | gigantor | ok, I have 3 interfaces, eth0 is internal, and eth1 and eth2 are connections to seperate ISP's. I'm trying to figure out how to force all outgoing port 25 traffic over eth1 ONLY |
| 23:36.58 | dvs | vitor: 6 weeks? |
| 23:37.01 | vitor | :) |
| 23:37.01 | asg|nb | vitor: /msg dpkg releases |
| 23:37.03 | gigantor | any ideas? |
| 23:37.22 | bzed | gigantor: ip rule and ip route are your friends |
| 23:37.32 | gpm | hi all. i'm looking for a page that'll give me a sort of pro/con chart for using amd64, or maybe just the status of things in amd64 land these days. any clues? |
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| 23:37.55 | asg|nb | gpm: you may want to ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 23:38.34 | asg|nb | gpm: generally, everything works perfectly fine unless you need some non-free blog that has only been compiled for 32bit i386. |
| 23:38.47 | bzed | gigantor: and you'll probaly have to mark your traffic with iptables fwmark... |
| 23:38.47 | asg|nb | s/blog/blob/ |
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| 23:39.10 | bzed | gigantor: although iptables could be your friend.. if you do some NAT magic instead of routing |
| 23:39.19 | gigantor | bzed, I just can't seem to get it figured out |
| 23:39.38 | gigantor | I tried NAt but it didn't work, probably because I'm doing something wrong |
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| 23:40.00 | gigantor | well, obviously I'm doing something worng or it would work right? |
| 23:40.06 | bzed | yes :D |
| 23:40.49 | nabilelisa | hi all, i'm experimenting with recompiling my kernel (for the first time) and the tutorial i'm following says i should use 'mkinitrd' but that tool is not installed. it doesn't seem to be in the apt repository (at least i can't find it). does anyone have any tips? |
| 23:41.22 | bzed | nabilelisa: apt-get install kernel-package; then use make-kpkg --initrd --.... to build your kernel |
| 23:41.36 | bzed | nabilelisa: you'll get a .deb which will build the initrd when you install it |
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| 23:42.56 | nabilelisa | bzed: thanks for the tip - to be honest i'm a bit lost as your suggestion differs a bit from the tutorial i'm (blindly) following, but the 'apt-get install kernel-package' seems to be a good start |
| 23:43.09 | _DEL | its just one small download at first, and it dont waste precious disks |
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| 23:43.30 | _DEL | Rioting_Pacifist, if you want the newest version, download the source and compile it |
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| 23:44.46 | vitor | witch one is âstableâ release |
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| 23:44.59 | jelly-home | nabilelisa: /msg dpkg kp, /msg dpkg d-k |
| 23:45.48 | nabilelisa | jelly-home: hi, what does that mean? (sorry if it's something obvious - i'm not familiar with those commands!) |
| 23:46.01 | jelly-home | nabilelisa: as for the mkinitrd replacement itself, it's update-initramfs from initramfs-tools package |
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| 23:46.29 | nabilelisa | jelly-home: ah, has it been replaced with initramfs? cool, i have that installed |
| 23:46.31 | nabilelisa | thanks |
| 23:46.43 | jelly-home | nabilelisa: /msg ... is an irc client command, to make the dpkg bot send you some related info |
| 23:47.08 | nabilelisa | jelly-home: really? hrm... mine didn't :( |
| 23:47.25 | jelly-home | nabilelisa: possibly in a different tab/window |
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| 23:47.54 | corran | Is there a good way to find the (hopefully) forthcoming linux-kbuild-2.6.28 and headers package for sid? |
| 23:48.12 | nabilelisa | jelly-home: no, doesn't look like it - thanks for clarifying though |
| 23:48.21 | jelly-home | !kp |
| 23:48.21 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(TM): 'aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev'. Follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>. Ask me about <kernel build-deps>. |
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| 23:48.29 | jelly-home | \1d-k |
| 23:48.32 | jelly-home | !d-k |
| 23:48.32 | dpkg | Visit http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel for information on installing the kernel team's latest experimental kernels. Also visit #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org for more information on these kernels. See http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage or ask me about <kernel package>. Remember these packages are previews and work in progress. Handle with care. |
| 23:49.05 | nabilelisa | jelly-home: AHH! yes, now i see it |
| 23:49.08 | nabilelisa | wow, super cool! |
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| 23:50.45 | corran | jelly-home: I recall some way to find packages that are in the queue for the ftp, but can't recall how I found it last time |
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| 23:52.26 | corran | jelly-home: as the image hit the ftp (removing the 2.6.26 image) and so my plan of switching from normal to bigmem is foiled |
| 23:53.23 | derStuGGr | anyone know how to config pulseaudio to work? |
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| 23:56.01 | karsten | derStuGGr: Posting what you've done and error messages / descriptions of failure is more useful. |
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| 23:56.23 | Rioting_Pacifist | !kernel package |
| 23:56.24 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en, or <kernel build-deps> |
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| 23:58.41 | derStuGGr | back, oh ok |
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| 23:59.08 | derStuGGr | PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused |
| 23:59.20 | derStuGGr | just installed |
