| 00:00.08 | adama1 | !screen |
| 00:00.08 | dpkg | from memory, screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or "aptitude install screen" |
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| 00:00.29 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 00:00.39 | adama1 | Fox_1_: ask your question |
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| 00:00.51 | Fox_1_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.55 | Akiyuki | What is the current stable kernel these days? 2.6.28? |
| 00:01.00 | zzattack2 | 29 even |
| 00:01.01 | Akiyuki | !kernel |
| 00:01.03 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.29, snapshot: 2.6.29-git1, 2.4: 2.4.37, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1 |
| 00:01.09 | Fox_1_ | that is not a question, little work |
| 00:01.17 | zzattack2 | adama1: can it be even simpler? I don't have to reconnect at a later time either. |
| 00:01.20 | valdyn | Akiyuki: .26 |
| 00:01.35 | Akiyuki | Cool, I have a crappy Intel 5100 , which is only supported in .27 + |
| 00:01.38 | Akiyuki | SHIT |
| 00:01.46 | Akiyuki | Laptop battery just died |
| 00:02.08 | adama1 | zzattack2: ok, then you can run it, then hit ctrl-Z to detach, then type bg to background the process, then disown, then disconnect, and it should keep running |
| 00:03.16 | Fox_1_ | people I have a picture and I need that someone do one little change, can anyone help me, the change is really simple. |
| 00:03.26 | foetus | 29? stable? a little bit too early, i think.. |
| 00:03.49 | adama1 | 29 was released by Linus like 3 days ago... I would hesitate to call it "stable" ... |
| 00:04.03 | Akiyuki | lol |
| 00:04.25 | Akiyuki | How does Linus have so much time to do these projects? Kernel....GIT..Transmeta..etc? |
| 00:04.40 | adama1 | !coffee |
| 00:04.40 | dpkg | hmm... coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage, smells better than it tastes |
| 00:04.47 | valdyn | Akiyuki: thats his dayjob |
| 00:05.11 | Akiyuki | valdyn, I thought he was working for Transmeta? Or, he was the last time I talked to him. |
| 00:05.25 | valdyn | Akiyuki: he was employed by transmeta |
| 00:05.38 | frostschutz | Akiyuki: he does it for a living I guess and he actually delegates a lot of work. Didn't he spend like 2 weeks on git before having others take over the user friendly bits? ;) |
| 00:05.43 | valdyn | Akiyuki: that does not imply that he actually did work for transmeta |
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| 00:06.06 | Akiyuki | valdyn, oh ok. I used to work at Google, and he came there and gave us a lecture on why SVN sucked and GIT was so great. |
| 00:06.27 | nsadmin | did you believe him? |
| 00:06.30 | valdyn | Akiyuki: neat, ive watched that one |
| 00:07.10 | Akiyuki | nsadmin, never had used GIT, so I couldnt really make a informed opinion... |
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| 00:07.36 | nsadmin | just going by what he said tho? |
| 00:07.37 | frostschutz | I like git, works better than mercurial for me |
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| 00:08.02 | Akiyuki | nsadmin, not really, I like SVN.. I didn't even want to be there, but it got me out of work for a little bit. |
| 00:08.18 | nsadmin | was that in Oregon? |
| 00:08.46 | ma3x | why 'xmodmap .xmodmap' expires after a while? |
| 00:08.48 | nsadmin | I happen to know some folks who bought out a lot of land that google is either renting or has purchased from them |
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| 00:09.26 | Akiyuki | nsadmin, They bought a lot of land here also (North Carolina) |
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| 00:10.31 | Akiyuki | nsadmin, They were actually at one time (not sure if they are still investigating that) looking to have a data facility here. |
| 00:11.27 | aixenv | i musta been typoing weird |
| 00:11.29 | aixenv | lol |
| 00:12.34 | Akiyuki | Anyone here using the iwlagn driver on the Intel 5100 AGN? I've got it running under backtrack, and fedora 10... |
| 00:12.45 | xororand | ma3x: maybe your desktop environment resets your keyboard layout |
| 00:12.55 | xororand | Akiyuki: i'm using it |
| 00:13.08 | xororand | Akiyuki: the firmware is buggy and most active attacks don't work |
| 00:13.20 | xororand | at least the official one from intellinuxwireless.org is |
| 00:13.31 | Akiyuki | xororand, Reading the debian wiki now. I didnt know that the firmware is non-free... |
| 00:13.49 | Akiyuki | xororand, I do a lot of pen testing, sucky wifi device :/ |
| 00:14.06 | xororand | yeah, unfortunately it is, and it resets itself when you try to do actual active attacks, even though the aireplay-ng injection _test_ works |
| 00:14.47 | xororand | Akiyuki: i'm going to get an Alfa AWUS036S for that. 500mW tx power, allegedly full injection support in linux |
| 00:15.28 | xororand | sorry, AWUS036H |
| 00:15.39 | Akiyuki | xororand, I didnt have those issues under backtrack 4.... infact I was able to sniff out several WPA handshakes and run dictionary attacks... and a few WEP |
| 00:16.04 | xororand | Akiyuki: monitor mode works just fine, but active attacks don't - at least not for me, tried with kernels 2.6.28 to 2.6.29 |
| 00:16.13 | foetus | is it ok, use "-Wno-sign-compare -Wno-deprecated" in CXXFLAGS or could it cause problems.. |
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| 00:17.08 | xororand | Akiyuki: were you able to generate IVs, for example with fake authentication? |
| 00:17.21 | Akiyuki | xororand, under back track, did not try under fedora |
| 00:17.22 | Akiyuki | xororand, i am in windows right now, installing debian over pxe... but as soon as it is finished, i am going to update the 2.6.26 kernel, and then |
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| 00:17.36 | Akiyuki | then upgrade the kernel to 2.6.27 or newer so that my card is supported :/ |
| 00:17.57 | xororand | Akiyuki: yes, the stock debian kernels don't have iwlagn support yet |
| 00:18.16 | Akiyuki | xororand, I wonder if it can be related to the version of the aircrack-ng suite? |
| 00:18.17 | DeathWolf | mmm, I just noticed my syslog seems to not be updated anymore, how can I restart the syslog service/check what is going on? |
| 00:18.21 | xororand | it's interesting that it worked with backtrack though. maybe they have a workaround for the firmware bug? |
| 00:18.27 | xororand | Akiyuki: could be |
| 00:18.34 | xororand | Akiyuki: i used the one from debian unstable |
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| 00:18.54 | DeathWolf | there's nothing in my syslog for a while... |
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| 00:18.59 | Akiyuki | xororand, unfortunately Backtrack 3 will is 2.6.26 .. so you will need backtrack 4, which is no longer a cd image... its a dvd image, vm.. or usb only |
| 00:19.21 | Akiyuki | xororand, oh ok.. i figured as much looking at the install ..ive never used debian before.. got like 30 minutes left on this install, so been reading the heck out of some docs ;) |
| 00:19.23 | scoaz | what should i install first, xdm or fluxbox ? I installed fluxbox and then xdm last time, and i had strang issues at logout |
| 00:19.26 | jetscreamer | is it some kind of new kernel thing or are the headers for 2.6.29 just fuxored all to hell |
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| 00:20.31 | xororand | jetscreamer: 2.6.29 is fuxored in general. it has nasty bugs in the networking code, apparently introduced between 2.6.29-rc8 and 2.6.29. more than one guys on the LKML reported systems with dying networking after minutes to hours of runtime |
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| 00:21.05 | xororand | Akiyuki: you could install the backtrack iso on an usb stick |
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| 00:22.12 | chasing`Sol | i burned the latest image of lenny to a dvd, rebooted and started installing, at the hardware detection step, the cd-rom isn't detected, any tips? |
| 00:22.47 | Akiyuki | xororand, i said that method , i think... ^ |
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| 00:23.19 | chasing`Sol | its a dvd with controller set to uhci |
| 00:23.25 | foetus | try the expert installer or use one of the new netisos |
| 00:23.30 | xororand | Akiyuki: ah yes, sorry, didn't read it properly :) |
| 00:23.43 | Akiyuki | xororand, i feel like, you brushed me off :P |
| 00:23.45 | foetus | not the dvd-installer. |
| 00:24.06 | chasing`Sol | foetus, tried the expert installer, still not detected |
| 00:24.08 | chasing`Sol | umm |
| 00:24.09 | dondelelcaro | chasing`Sol: that usually means that it doesn't have the right driver for your dvd or similar |
| 00:24.18 | dondelelcaro | chasing`Sol: see if dmesg shows anything useful |
| 00:24.42 | Akiyuki | xororand, how do kernel updates work on debian? I have used RPM systems primarily in the past. I would update using the package only. Looks like debian is compiling the kernel? |
| 00:24.48 | chasing`Sol | i will try one of the new netisos though |
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| 00:25.35 | xororand | Akiyuki: debian has a variety of kernels in its repositories. you don't have to deal with compiling unless you want to. to build your own kernel packages, aptitude install kernel-package and read man make-kpkg |
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| 00:26.00 | dondelelcaro | chasing`Sol: you might also want to try changing the bios setting |
| 00:26.18 | Akiyuki | xororand, thanks, i am reading the docs now, but... unfortunately i am doing a net install and its eating up my entire bandwidth |
| 00:26.18 | xororand | Akiyuki: usually, you just have to run "make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image" in your kernel's source directory and make-kpkg will spit out a ready-to-use .deb package :) |
| 00:26.51 | revertTS | dondelelcaro: ferm is exactly what I wanted; thanks again |
| 00:26.52 | chasing`Sol | dondelelcaro, if i changed the controller to legacy it works, but extremely slow |
| 00:27.18 | Akiyuki | xororand, Retrieving file 553 of 810 :P |
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| 00:28.05 | Akiyuki | xororand, how does debian fair, mixing source and binaries? |
| 00:28.19 | dondelelcaro | chasing`Sol: hrm... you may want to see if there's a bios upgrade; UHCI should work though... |
| 00:28.42 | lanceallott | Akiyuki: do google search for "Creating custom kernels with |
| 00:28.43 | dondelelcaro | Akiyuki: generally you're better off using Debian's own packages. You can certainly make it work with mixing, but it requires more effort, and you have to knwo what you're doing. |
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| 00:29.08 | dondelelcaro | (kernels are probably the least intrusive thing, but in general, you should just be lazy and use Debian's kernels) |
| 00:29.10 | Akiyuki | dondelelcaro, absolutely. Ive bricked many systems (many years ago) mixing rpm and source ;) |
| 00:29.28 | chasing`Sol | a question: the netinst will require to load the cd-rom's contect on the hard drive, rite? |
| 00:29.48 | dondelelcaro | chasing`Sol: you'll partition the hard drive, and install packages to it, yes. |
| 00:29.58 | Akiyuki | RPM looks for "foo.so4" in /bar .... source looks for it in /foo ... next thing you know, you are compiling the foo.so4 lib yourself... lol having duplicates, .. ends up a mess |
| 00:30.01 | dondelelcaro | (that's the point of any of the install media) |
| 00:30.17 | chasing`Sol | so "still" that won't help |
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| 00:31.18 | lanceallott | Akiyuki: do google search for "Creating custom kernels with Debian's kernel-package system" by Kevin McKinley |
| 00:31.25 | chasing`Sol | what i need is a very small installer which loads everything from online, like freebsd bootonly |
| 00:31.50 | Akiyuki | lanceallott, thank you :) |
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| 00:32.01 | Akiyuki | chasing`Sol, can you PXE boot? |
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| 00:32.20 | chasing`Sol | nope |
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| 00:36.48 | Akiyuki | woot.. 90% done installing |
| 00:37.00 | Akiyuki | chasing`Sol, can you install from usb? |
| 00:37.31 | foetus | the debian netinstaller installs a small basic system only, after customizing the basic system you can do mirroring. its not the worst solution - you have a small system on harddisk, you can administrate the basic functions, and then going online.. |
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| 00:38.11 | chasing`Sol | Akiyuki, thats what i will be trying in 5 minutes |
| 00:38.30 | Akiyuki | chasing`Sol, you're welcome :) |
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| 00:41.02 | chasing`Sol | bbl (with good news i hope) =) |
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| 00:41.05 | chasing`Sol | bai |
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| 00:41.47 | asdf | anyone running lenny on an x61? is your hibernate/suspend working? |
| 00:42.12 | Akiyuki | x61 think pad? |
| 00:42.47 | asdf | yeah |
| 00:43.05 | Akiyuki | I'm not, but I like the think pad series |
| 00:43.26 | asdf | Akiyuki: do you like it enough to help me figure out why my suspend broke? :) |
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| 00:43.30 | nsadmin | what should be installed on a sid/squeeze system to add sound drivers? or are they already installed? |
| 00:43.31 | phobos_anomaly | asdf: I'm not running it on an x61, but I had to disable hibernate/suspend and every other power option on my desktop because it would go to sleep and wouldn't wake up |
| 00:43.49 | Akiyuki | phobos_anomaly, same here... |
| 00:44.05 | asdf | phobos_anomaly: weird, my power related stuff here broke, it's just not working. brightness, etc. |
| 00:44.07 | Akiyuki | asdf, Unfortunately, I do not have the means to test or help diagnose, but, I would just disable the ability as well. |
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| 00:44.55 | foetus | a question - i'm trying to install fam from the dsc source-package, and nothing goes on, error message: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/tarball.mk not found or something like that..what does it mean? |
| 00:44.59 | Akiyuki | woot, debian is finished.. says i should remote my boot method... |
| 00:45.08 | Akiyuki | cuts all the network cables leading to the pxe server |
| 00:45.10 | phobos_anomaly | asdf: the powermanagement in squeeze is marginally better if you feel like updating and trying that |
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| 00:45.27 | asdf | phobos_anomaly: hmm, i may look into that |
| 00:45.48 | nsadmin | judd, versions alsa-driver-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 00:45.49 | judd | nsadmin: alsa-driver-2.6.26-1-686 -- |
| 00:45.58 | nsadmin | judd, versions alsa-drivers-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 00:45.58 | judd | nsadmin: alsa-drivers-2.6.26-1-686 -- |
| 00:46.04 | Akiyuki | What is the life span of each version of distro? I previously used Fedora, but I had to wipe and start clean every year. |
| 00:46.20 | phobos_anomaly | asdf: I know this... updating to squeeze was the smallest distro upgrade I've ever done... took all of 50 megs at first |
| 00:47.03 | lanceallott | if you are installing a fresh Lenny using netiso, it will prompt you several times if you want to enable acpi... just say no!! |
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| 00:49.38 | foetus | ok i have found it -- i need CDBS. |
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| 00:50.50 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.29 | Akiyuki | adb, I never said that.. |
| 00:51.45 | Akiyuki | xororand, still around? |
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| 00:54.05 | scoaz | i'm gonna install an X server and fluxbox, i would like if there is a good method to do it. To avoid mistakes :p |
| 00:54.37 | scoaz | +to know |
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| 00:55.36 | Akiyuki | Hmm, when I attempt to update from 2.6.26-1, it says there are no newer kernel images. Should I compile from source? |
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| 00:56.23 | xororand | Akiyuki: yes |
| 00:56.38 | Akiyuki | xororand, yes you are here, or yes i should compile from source? |
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| 00:56.53 | xororand | Akiyuki: both |
| 00:57.02 | xororand | Akiyuki: 'do google search for "Creating custom kernels with Debian's kernel-package system" by Kevin McKinley' |
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| 00:57.13 | xororand | and i don't recommend to use 2.6.29 atm |
| 00:57.17 | xororand | networking bug |
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| 00:57.23 | Akiyuki | no, gonna go w/ 2.6.28 |
| 00:57.31 | Akiyuki | Yeah, we dont need any more networking bugs using the 5100 :) |
| 00:57.41 | lanceallott | Akiyuki: it means no newer kernel sources are in you repository...go to kernel.org to get lastest |
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| 01:05.06 | xxtjaxx | Hey guys somebody intrested in sharing ideas and codesnippets? |
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| 01:06.00 | scoaz | hu, can't remember where is packaged startx ? |
| 01:06.02 | scoaz | xutils ? |
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| 01:06.17 | scoaz | do i need to reboot first ? |
| 01:06.20 | scoaz | :s |
| 01:07.28 | morteng | simula is part of gnu compiler collection I can't find it in the debian repository. |
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| 01:08.34 | tuantub | scoaz: startx is packaged in xinit :) |
| 01:08.58 | scoaz | thanks tuantub :p |
| 01:09.18 | tuantub | scoaz: ;) |
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| 01:09.56 | xxtjaxx | Hey guys would u like to share snippets at a google repo? |
| 01:10.39 | amphi | scoaz: apt-file search startx |
| 01:10.57 | gigabites2 | apt-cache? |
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| 01:12.15 | scoaz | hum yeah apt-cache |
| 01:12.31 | scoaz | i only use aptitude |
| 01:12.35 | gigabites2 | Yeah, figured. aptitude search would work too |
| 01:12.46 | gigabites2 | .. yeah. |
| 01:12.46 | scoaz | didn't knew that apt-cache was different. |
| 01:12.51 | scoaz | nono |
| 01:13.02 | scoaz | aptitude search does not :D |
| 01:13.08 | gigabites2 | sure it does |
| 01:13.08 | sylar | anyone understands dig? |
| 01:13.16 | sylar | the ttl value? |
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| 01:13.33 | dondelelcaro | sylar: time to live in seconds. What about it? |
| 01:13.36 | scoaz | try it gigabites2 :) |
| 01:13.46 | scoaz | don't work for me |
| 01:13.54 | gigabites2 | Oh, I did.. Only difference is that it formats it differently. |
| 01:13.55 | sylar | because I was on the phone with my isp, and he gave me some command for nslookup that showed a lot more values similar to ttl |
| 01:14.04 | scoaz | k :s |
| 01:14.07 | xxtjaxx | if ur intrested in sharing snippets http://code.google.com/p/snipporama/ |
| 01:14.11 | gigabites2 | Strange. |
| 01:14.12 | dondelelcaro | sylar: just run dig foohostname; and it'll tell you the ttl |
| 01:14.19 | scoaz | dunno why it don't work for me so. |
| 01:14.33 | dondelelcaro | sylar: the number after the name and before IN is the TTL |
| 01:15.29 | sylar | dondelelcaro, yes, but the nslookup commad gave also refresh retry and expire and ttl |
| 01:15.42 | tom760` | I'm hoping someone can help me figure this out real quick, I only have a few minutes before the office closes. I had debian running fine. Installed CentOS to a diff partition on same drive. It overwrote my MBR with its own Grub config. I added the exact lines from the Debian grub config, but it wont boot. It just says: Error 2: Bad file or directory tree. |
| 01:16.00 | sylar | and I scratched my head thinking ... hmmm never seen those before |
| 01:16.36 | dondelelcaro | sylar: uh... those numbers aren't terribly meaningful, and just from the SOA. |
| 01:16.56 | sylar | hu? |
| 01:17.05 | sylar | what do you mean? |
| 01:17.59 | dondelelcaro | sylar: they influence how the nameserver and slaves handle transfers |
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| 01:18.14 | dondelelcaro | sylar: they don't really do much for individual records. If you want to see them, run dig -t ANY foohostname; |
| 01:18.19 | gigabites2 | tom760: Did your hard drive arrangement change? Has the location for the debian partition changed? |
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| 01:19.50 | sylar | dondelelcaro, dig -t ANY foohostname; gave me the nameserver where I am registered |
| 01:20.23 | lanceallott | tom760`: take a look at the tool called 'gpart' it could help |
| 01:20.28 | dondelelcaro | sylar: and gave you the SOA for that zone, which is what has the information on the retry time, etc. |
| 01:20.32 | tom760` | gigabites2: nope, it's in the same spot. all that changed was the addition of a new partition past the end of the debian one and the new MBR. |
| 01:20.55 | tom760` | lanceallott: ok, i'll install and run it real quick. |
| 01:21.18 | lanceallott | tom760`: are you a subscribe to linux journal |
| 01:21.22 | tom760` | would it matter that the debian partition is extfs3? maybe grub from CentOS doesn't support that? |
| 01:21.34 | sylar | doctormo, I don't see anythning like the refresh retry and expire there |
| 01:21.48 | sylar | sorry doctormo meant dondelelcaro |
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| 01:22.46 | dondelelcaro | sylar: it's the numbers following the SOA |
| 01:22.53 | jimi | I have apparently working sound drivers detected. HDA Intel, but no sound when i play apps. Volume is up, nothing is muted. |
| 01:23.00 | dondelelcaro | sylar: they're pretty much useless, but you can see them. |
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| 01:23.25 | gigabites2 | tom760: something like that. I'd suspect grub version incompatibilities based on a couple of bug reports; try reinstalling grub? |
| 01:23.46 | sylar | dondelelcaro, I can't see the keyword soa |
| 01:23.47 | illikawn | Anybody here use s3switch for TVout on s3 graphics cards? |
| 01:23.50 | dondelelcaro | sylar: debian.org.3600INSOAsamosa.debian.org. hostmaster.debian.org. 2009032701 10800 3600 604800 3600 |
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| 01:23.57 | dondelelcaro | sylar: dig -t SOA foohostname; then. |
| 01:24.08 | dondelelcaro | (not every DNS server will respond to an ANY request with SOA) |
| 01:24.49 | sylar | ah |
| 01:24.53 | sylar | ok, got it |
| 01:24.55 | jimi | Also, I have ran alsaconf and everything seems to be working, but none of my apps produce sounds. |
| 01:25.07 | sylar | what does it mean? |
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| 01:25.18 | gigabites2 | jimi: is the mixer muted? |
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| 01:25.34 | jimi | gigabites2, no |
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| 01:25.56 | gigabites2 | jimi: never hurts to ask. :) |
| 01:26.01 | xxtjaxx | http://code.google.com/p/snipporama/ |
| 01:26.02 | jimi | gigabites2, looking at alsamixer right now.. hehe |
| 01:26.22 | dondelelcaro | sylar: see the DNS documentation. Unless you're running DNS servers, you pretty much don't care about it. |
| 01:26.31 | sylar | these numbers? one of my ISP's dns took one number off the soa and put it as TTL |
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| 01:26.59 | sylar | and now I have there 7 days tll for a stale IP |
| 01:27.35 | dondelelcaro | sylar: the last number is the min ttl. |
| 01:27.57 | dondelelcaro | sylar: then you should have your ISP fix your TTL so its set to something shorter. |
| 01:28.07 | dondelelcaro | (or you should fix your TTL) |
| 01:28.10 | jimi | gigabites2, tried catting /dev/urandom to /dev/audio ... nothing |
| 01:28.11 | sylar | it took the expire and put it as my ttl |
| 01:28.53 | gigabites2 | jimi: hardware issue? |
| 01:28.55 | sylar | does that make sense? is it their fault or mine? |
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| 01:29.03 | dondelelcaro | sylar: then your SOA is probably wrong |
| 01:29.14 | jimi | gigabites2, worked under fedora... works under live cds...... also /dev/audio doesnt exist? |
| 01:29.23 | tanjir | question! how do i setup my network manually? :- |
| 01:29.25 | tanjir | :-| |
| 01:29.50 | dondelelcaro | tanjir: edit /etc/network/interfaces or use ip from iproute |
| 01:29.52 | tanjir | i am in debian kde and i can't configure my statip ip |
| 01:29.56 | sylar | dondelelcaro, my soa : MySIte 3600 IN SOA ns1.sitelutions.com. myemail. 66 28000 7200 604800 1 |
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| 01:31.09 | gigabites2 | jimi: Does /dev/dsp exist? |
| 01:31.38 | jimi | gigabites2, http://pastie.org/429559 |
| 01:31.40 | jimi | gigabites2, checking |
| 01:31.59 | jimi | gigabites2, no, just dvd* |
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| 01:33.59 | jimi | gigabites2, modprobe snd-pcm-oss created /dev/dsp |
| 01:33.59 | gigabites2 | jimi: strange. looks like audio modules weren't loaded but the pci was detected? |
| 01:33.59 | gigabites2 | Oh |
| 01:34.03 | jimi | gigabites2, also, created /dev/snd |
| 01:34.29 | gigabites2 | jimi: hmm.. but oss. is alsa loaded? |
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| 01:35.01 | jimi | gigabites2,how can i tell? lsmod? |
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| 01:36.24 | gigabites2 | jimi: intel card, correct? |
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| 01:36.35 | jimi | gigabites2, correct |
| 01:36.59 | gigabites2 | jimi: ALSA modules list http://alsa.opensrc.org/ALSA_modules |
| 01:37.18 | gigabites2 | jimi: try grepping for your module? |
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| 01:37.37 | jimi | gigabites2, dmesg? or lspci? |
| 01:37.49 | teratoma | aurel42: are you still there. i fell asleep. anyway , 'yes', to all of your your questions. the file for enabling the php5 mod is there. i didnt change anything in httpd.conf . i have done this sort of thing before ! i can't figure out why php scripts are not being processed. |
| 01:38.11 | jimi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:42.41 | gigabites2 | jimi: all of this is loaded? http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Quick_Install#4._Loading_the_ALSA_modules |
| 01:43.28 | gigabites2 | jimi: also, lsmod for seeing is loaded |
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| 01:43.34 | gigabites2 | jimi: also, lsmod for seeing if** loaded |
| 01:43.41 | jimi | i just checked, they are |
| 01:44.31 | gigabites2 | jimi: any programs running that could hog it? flash does that sometimes (maybe?) |
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| 01:44.50 | jimi | gigabites2, not yet.... fresh install, just finished about 20 minutes ago |
| 01:46.15 | gigabites2 | jimi: strange. I don't know. |
| 01:47.14 | jimi | gigabites2, yeah..sux... alsamixer can see the devices, and even control the volume... and even if i press the volume buttons on the keyboard..they respond |
| 01:47.24 | gigabites2 | jimi: I have a very similar card & no trouble. Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) |
| 01:47.32 | gigabites2 | jimi: but no output? |
| 01:47.38 | jimi | gigabites2, correct :( |
| 01:47.51 | gigabites2 | jimi: what are the permissions of /dev/audio, etc.? |
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| 01:48.31 | jimi | crw-rw---- for /dev/dsp ... /dev/audio doesnt exist |
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| 01:48.48 | illikawn | did you try alsaconf? |
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| 01:49.21 | jimi | illikawn, yes, it is recommending the hda-intel drivers |
| 01:49.36 | illikawn | were there more than one hda-intel? |
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| 01:49.50 | jimi | illikawn, no, it only gave option for the one |
| 01:49.52 | SaneSmith | How can I access a network share in debian? |
| 01:50.09 | SaneSmith | I have a Dlink NAS that is serving via samba |
| 01:50.15 | illikawn | mine shows 2 ATI-HD audio one works the other doesn't |
| 01:50.19 | jimi | illikawn, hda-intel or legacy probe legasy isa |
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| 01:50.36 | gigabites2 | SaneSmith: apt-get install samba ? |
| 01:50.59 | SaneSmith | to connect? |
| 01:51.01 | SaneSmith | I tried |
| 01:51.41 | jimi | ah.. amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
| 01:51.45 | jimi | after running alsaconf |
| 01:52.06 | illikawn | are you running stable and maybe that kernel doesnt support that card? |
| 01:52.32 | illikawn | pulseaudio really screws up sound too |
| 01:52.36 | adb | jimi: cat /etc/group |grep audio |
| 01:52.39 | gigabites2 | SaneSmith: can't you mount them with fuse? |
| 01:52.48 | illikawn | and /dev/dsp doesnt work for me either |
| 01:52.54 | SaneSmith | gigabites2: on ubuntu, I was able to mount it via smb |
| 01:53.00 | jimi | adb, audio:x:29:jimi |
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| 01:53.06 | adb | ok |
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| 01:53.15 | Frawg | hrmm |
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| 01:53.21 | illikawn | jimi did you do a desktop install or only core? |
| 01:53.27 | Frawg | anyone had issues with bind every now and then not resolving |
| 01:53.41 | Frawg | and you have to start it running in the foreground with debugging on? |
| 01:54.03 | SaneSmith | smbclient://192.168.0.197/Volume_1 |
| 01:54.08 | illikawn | and if you have ANY creative products installed your asking for hell with audio |
| 01:54.12 | jimi | illikawn, core, but then it asked if i wanted to install additional packages, i chose the Desktop utilities, and i think the www option |
| 01:54.15 | SaneSmith | gives me no such file or directory |
| 01:54.18 | jimi | illikawn, no creative |
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| 01:54.50 | illikawn | youre running lenny? |
| 01:54.56 | adb | jimi: sound applet is on top panel ? |
| 01:54.58 | illikawn | how old is the motherboard? |
| 01:55.17 | SaneSmith | anyone? |
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| 01:55.19 | jimi | adb, no alsaconf killed it |
| 01:55.40 | illikawn | dont reload it till it says have lots of fun |
| 01:55.41 | adb | jimi: readd him |
| 01:56.05 | jimi | adb, restart the gnome panel? |
| 01:56.12 | adb | no |
| 01:56.15 | gigabites2 | SaneSmith: You can ping 192.168.0.197? |
| 01:56.24 | illikawn | can you hit "M" in alsamixer to unmute PCM? |
| 01:56.24 | gigabites2 | SaneSmith: (hopefully) |
| 01:56.39 | adb | no right click on top panel and ADD to |
| 01:56.40 | nbk | Hi. Has anybody had any luck getting alps touchpad working properly with netinstall? (64bit) |
| 01:57.02 | SaneSmith | gigabites2: Of course, three other machines access it no problem |
| 01:57.09 | illikawn | should be 00 not MM |
| 01:57.16 | jimi | adb, added it back |
| 01:57.30 | jimi | 00 muted |
| 01:57.33 | gigabites2 | SaneSmith: any sort of firewall running that might block it? |
| 01:57.41 | illikawn | 00 is loud |
| 01:57.49 | adb | right click on sound applet |
| 01:57.54 | SaneSmith | gigabites2: none |
| 01:57.55 | jimi | not here... it took the bar and went all the way empty |
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| 01:58.04 | jimi | adb, ok |
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| 01:58.19 | adb | said it is Muted ? |
| 01:58.23 | sonnie | hi there. can "hdparm" test correctly SCSI disk? |
| 01:58.24 | jimi | no |
| 01:58.42 | sonnie | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.47 | Frawg | how do i see the maximum number of file descriptors |
| 01:58.48 | adb | ok , try logout /login than |
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| 01:59.03 | jcranmer | quick apt question: |
| 01:59.06 | jimi | adb, ok |
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| 01:59.15 | gigabites2 | SaneSmith: Does the share show up when you use smbclient -L? |
| 01:59.17 | illikawn | system -> preferences -> sound test the autodetected sound devices |
| 01:59.19 | jimi | brb |
| 01:59.22 | jcranmer | how do I get apt to stop trying to update my locally-built packages? |
| 01:59.38 | jcranmer | it keeps wanting to update, e.g., wmbattery from 2.39 to 2.39 |
| 02:00.04 | illikawn | you score points for letting aptitude win |
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| 02:00.18 | Cleapatra_ | bubilibu^^ |
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| 02:00.54 | jimi | illikawn, no luck.. no sound |
| 02:00.57 | illikawn | it feels so strange the only code I done on FOSS is a one liner printf |
| 02:01.06 | jimi | illikawn, gonna check my bios to se if it some how disabled |
| 02:01.23 | SaneSmith | any idea why smbmount is giving me command not found? |
| 02:01.45 | jimi | brb.. login ou and back in |
| 02:01.47 | illikawn | jimi well using X to track down bugs and stuff... X isnt very good at that |
| 02:01.49 | sonnie | sanesmith: install smbfs |
| 02:02.16 | SaneSmith | sonnie: thanks |
| 02:02.41 | SaneSmith | bingo! |
| 02:02.45 | SaneSmith | got it to mount now |
| 02:02.46 | SaneSmith | thanks all |
| 02:03.34 | Cleapatra_ | fick dich |
| 02:03.48 | Cleapatra_ | muhahahahahaha |
| 02:03.53 | illikawn | could have tried modprobe snd_hda_intel, but alsaconf should have done that |
| 02:04.27 | gigabites2 | jcranmer: You need to set values in /etc/apt/preferences ... http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 02:04.54 | illikawn | anyone use s3switch to control the TVout on a savage card? |
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| 02:12.56 | jcranmer | hmm |
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| 02:14.02 | jcranmer | ah, I suppose I need a Release file with some stuff in it? |
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| 02:18.12 | sepult | how can i find out which program is setting some environment variable ? |
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| 02:18.59 | jimi | Audio still not working |
| 02:19.58 | nbk | oh wow im impressed with myself, i managed to fix a problem after 2 hours of google |
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| 02:28.07 | doctormo | sylar: heh |
| 02:28.40 | doctormo | sylar: I was watching Monsters vs Aliens in 3D when you made that mistake. hope you got what ever it was fixed. |
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| 02:37.40 | jcranmer | so apt preferences doesn't seem to be working for me |
| 02:37.48 | jcranmer | root@quetzalcoatl lists # cat _root_debs_Release |
| 02:37.48 | jcranmer | Component: custom |
| 02:38.13 | jcranmer | my preferences has a "Pin: release c=custom" line in it |
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| 02:38.25 | jcranmer | but it doesn't seem to be picked up by apt-cache policy |
| 02:38.32 | jcranmer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.04 | gigabites2 | jcranmer: Sorry, did you run apt-get update? |
| 02:40.16 | jcranmer | yes |
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| 02:40.39 | jcranmer | there's a _root_debs_Release in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 02:40.43 | zeta | ! LaTeX Error: File `m.sty' not found. |
| 02:40.47 | zeta | for mdwlist |
| 02:41.12 | gigabites2 | jcranmer: if you're not opposed to using aptitude, there's you can simply go "aptitude hold <packagename>" |
| 02:41.34 | gigabites2 | then** |
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| 02:48.20 | KavanS | what's a good util to test the connection between two etch boxes? |
| 02:48.33 | KavanS | i.e. tell me megabits per second between to ip's for speed testing |
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| 02:50.52 | adb | move some big file betweens like debian-cd-1.iso |
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| 02:58.42 | gps23 | KavanS, you can use ping with -s switch to specify packet size, then ping will show you the time taken to transfer that number of bytes |
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| 02:58.58 | scoaz | i'm back x) |
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| 03:00.10 | KavanS | iperf is good |
| 03:00.13 | KavanS | running this sucker now |
| 03:00.22 | KavanS | trying to tweak some performance out of these gigabit cards |
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| 03:07.19 | sepult | oh oh |
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| 03:08.15 | sepult | i wonder why i wouldn't be able to click on a url in konsole |
| 03:08.26 | sepult | but it works with gnome-terminal |
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| 03:08.37 | module000 | sepult: you realize the two are not feature-identical |
| 03:09.00 | jetscreamer | lies, kde is exactly like gnome... |
| 03:09.08 | jetscreamer | identical code |
| 03:09.09 | sepult | module000: i do, but it was in kde4 that konsole would have the same feature |
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| 03:09.28 | sepult | module000: i'm not sure though if konsole was just using the feature of gnome-terminal or so |
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| 03:10.14 | sepult | module000: the very layout of it reminded me of gnome-terminal at the very beginning i must admit |
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| 03:10.33 | sepult | - first layout |
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| 03:10.42 | sepult | lol |
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| 03:10.58 | riot | hi |
| 03:12.00 | jetscreamer | don't you believe me? |
| 03:12.51 | riot | how do i install xen in unstable? |
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| 03:13.15 | lmaolol | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hog9qGjT0Pw !!!!!!!! |
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| 03:13.48 | jetscreamer | !xen |
| 03:13.48 | dpkg | from memory, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 03:14.00 | riot | jetscreamer: yah, i know dpkg |
| 03:14.11 | jetscreamer | #debian-xen |
| 03:14.29 | jetscreamer | is no help |
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| 03:28.06 | jair | guys if I am using blackbox and x server is running obviously, but is there a program I can install (lightweight) to lock the access to my linux system? |
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| 03:35.07 | beardy | jair: vlock for the virtual consoles, xlock for x |
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| 03:35.20 | beardy | jair: ^a x to lock screen(1) |
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| 03:36.05 | beardy | jair: xscreensaver can be configured to use xlock. |
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| 03:36.32 | jair | beardy: hmm I see do you use blackbox? |
| 03:36.38 | beardy | jair: No. |
| 03:36.49 | jair | hmm |
| 03:37.06 | jair | I guess if I install xlock will do the work... |
| 03:37.22 | beardy | jair: I have tried it of course. But it's quite irrelevant. Yes it will. |
| 03:37.25 | jair | but I wanted to check if there was a package for blackbox that will do that |
| 03:37.33 | jair | ok |
| 03:37.47 | jair | let me check how much it will try to install |
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| 03:38.24 | beardy | jair: Search for all blackbox packages and check. But I doubt that, since it's meant to be minimal, but who knows. |
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| 03:38.59 | syntac | does ubuntu use the same packages as debian or do they have their own packages that wouldn't work on debian? |
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| 03:39.04 | jair | beardy: there is a xautolock program but not xlock :P |
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| 03:39.31 | beardy | jair: I noticed that. I think xlock(1) is in xscreensaver then. |
| 03:39.34 | at0m|c | syntac: most often they're different |
| 03:39.35 | jair | syntac: I will not try to install deb packages from ubuntu on debian. :) |
| 03:39.38 | beardy | Haven't used it since Woody. |
| 03:39.50 | beardy | !find bin/xlock stable |
| 03:39.50 | syntac | just curious |
| 03:40.03 | jair | beardy: I will try that autolock one |
| 03:40.10 | jair | I really do not need an screensaver |
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| 03:40.26 | zeta | which package do I have to aptget to get everything here: http://modular.fas.harvard.edu/docs/debian-packages/texmf/latex/mdwtools/?C=S;O=D |
| 03:40.30 | beardy | jair: Ok. Well, xscreensaver, the base package is only to blank and lock I think. But do that. |
| 03:41.07 | at0m|c | syntac: there's _some_ that work for both, like maybe googleearth/skype/.., some script installers etc. |
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| 03:42.00 | _Pete_ | syntac: you (also) from ubuntu ? |
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| 03:42.49 | syntac | i'm using ubuntu right now but i'm going to install debian (on my main system i've used gentoo and arch). i'm just fiddling around with other distros |
| 03:43.01 | _Pete_ | right |
| 03:43.09 | jair | beardy: I did the man page on the xautolock and it is telling me that the default to lock the screen is 10min |
| 03:43.13 | _Pete_ | I installed debian 2 days ago |
| 03:43.21 | _Pete_ | after many years of ubuntu |
| 03:43.29 | syntac | i'm kinda sicka of the rolling updates and stuff and constantly updating which is what makes debian look pretty appealing |
| 03:43.30 | jair | beardy: I wonder where is the config file so I can change the interval and test |
| 03:43.31 | _Pete_ | hoping this will be better |
| 03:43.41 | beardy | jair: The manual should say. |
| 03:43.51 | beardy | jair: /etc/<packagename/ |
| 03:44.13 | zeta | _Pete_, there's always gentoo =D |
| 03:44.15 | syntac | _Pete_: what made you leave ubuntu? |
| 03:44.22 | jair | beardy: checking |
| 03:44.27 | beardy | Irrelevant. Welcome to the real thing. |
| 03:44.30 | _Pete_ | for me most annying things with ubuntu was it used to just hangup |
| 03:44.34 | syntac | gentoo just makes you wait longer to realize mistakes :p |
| 03:44.41 | _Pete_ | usually >months uptime |
| 03:45.21 | _Pete_ | or some other wierdeness like it did just sometime reset/boot without warning |
| 03:45.38 | jair | xenon:~# xautolock -locknow |
| 03:45.39 | jair | Couldn't connect to |
| 03:46.00 | jair | I guess I will need to install xscreensaver which comes with xlock... |
| 03:46.09 | gigabites2 | xautolock |
| 03:46.12 | gigabites2 | Try that |
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| 03:46.47 | _Pete_ | zeta: yeah, have been thinking of that but wondering is that really worth of it at all |
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| 03:47.29 | zeta | _Pete_, if your processor is slow, i wouldn't recommend it |
| 03:47.47 | zeta | but it's ideal for developers because we can use a lot of the sse4.1 ssse3 and other esoteric optimizations |
| 03:47.51 | _Pete_ | zeta: why, I mean for slow cpu? |
| 03:48.03 | zeta | because you have to compile everything from source |
| 03:48.21 | zeta | compiling KDE using -j4 on a 2.5ghz dualcore takes about 8 hours |
| 03:48.21 | _Pete_ | with slow cpu ? |
| 03:48.37 | jair | gigabites2: ok |
| 03:49.05 | jair | gigabites2: that is exactly what I did previously I pasted that on the channel |
| 03:49.07 | _Pete_ | zeta: I only have this http://quadcore.homeunix.net/phpsysinfo/ |
| 03:49.35 | jair | gigabites2: it looks like it is trying to connect to a locker which can be another software |
| 03:49.48 | zeta | _Pete_, you have a quadcore rofl |
| 03:49.51 | zeta | you can probably use -j9 |
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| 03:50.02 | zeta | maybe even -j10 |
| 03:50.09 | zeta | yeah you would compile shit in a cinch |
| 03:50.28 | _Pete_ | but I still dont like gentoo :) |
| 03:50.43 | zeta | too bad =P |
| 03:50.48 | zeta | wasting your 64bits |
| 03:50.49 | zeta | as well |
| 03:50.55 | zeta | you can compile apeshit fast |
| 03:50.59 | zeta | with a 64bit quadcore |
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| 03:51.29 | _Pete_ | well maybe |
| 03:51.37 | _Pete_ | but I am still unsure is it worth it |
| 03:51.51 | morteng | I did try to compile SIMULA and got this error http://lordbyte7.pastebin.com/f78cff0b3 |
| 03:52.34 | zeta | _Pete_, well you can always give it a try |
| 03:52.39 | zeta | I've played around with about 30 distros |
| 03:52.43 | zeta | debian and gentoo are probably the best |
| 03:52.50 | zeta | debian for stable work related stuff |
| 03:52.53 | zeta | gentoo for pure l33t h4x0ring |
| 03:52.54 | at0m|c | what i dont like about ubuntu, running it on laptop for more recent audio apps, is how it uses a dozen daemons eating cycles and ram instead of the plain old /etc/network/interfaces etc |
| 03:52.56 | arvind_khadri | would it be ok if i use this page to compile the kernel http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311158 |
| 03:53.01 | _Pete_ | zeta: I see |
| 03:53.04 | zeta | arvind_khadri, it's an ubuntu page lol |
| 03:53.10 | _Pete_ | I think I am just too lazy |
| 03:53.20 | linkslice | gentoo sucks |
| 03:53.30 | linkslice | except the livecd |
| 03:53.31 | stew | i wonder if i've ever done any l33t h4x0ring |
| 03:53.32 | _Pete_ | like want that evertying at least in home works |
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| 03:53.48 | arvind_khadri | zeta, yeah i know :) i am not finding pages for compiling kernel on lenny, do you have it |
| 03:53.58 | _Pete_ | at work its different, usually nothing owrks = being maemo developer |
| 03:54.55 | zeta | stewie i wonder too |
| 03:55.02 | arvind_khadri | !compile > me |
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| 03:55.48 | zeta | and more importantly, where the fradge to find mdwtools for latex in debian |
| 03:56.07 | zeta | arvind_khadri, i dunno, i compile kernels only in gentoo =P |
| 03:56.16 | zeta | arvind_khadri, i typically just do it manualyl |
| 03:56.30 | zeta | ie. going to /usr/src/linux and use make menuconfig; make modules_install |
| 03:56.37 | zeta | then copying over the bzImage to my /boot |
| 03:56.46 | zeta | but that's apparently not the "debian" way of doing things |
| 03:56.50 | stew | (one should not use /usr/src/linux though) |
| 03:57.05 | at0m|c | zeta: do you even use debian? |
| 03:57.11 | arvind_khadri | zeta, these pages to follow the same method, and use make kpkg |
| 03:57.13 | stew | the "debian" way being /msg dpkg kp |
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| 03:58.47 | arvind_khadri | stew, do you have any pointers for compiling the kernel on lenny ? |
| 03:59.19 | beardy | He just told you, unless things have been totally broken. |
| 03:59.41 | zeta | at0m|c, I'm on debian right now? |
| 04:00.09 | beardy | stew: He means watching compiling output. d00d |
| 04:00.32 | at0m|c | zeta: you don't make it sound like free choice eh |
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| 04:00.57 | stew | arvind_khadri: i'd try to figure out how to convince you that you don't actually need to compile a kernel |
| 04:01.02 | at0m|c | s/like/as if it were your |
| 04:01.12 | illikawn | i'm having a bad time using s3switch for TVout on my thinkpad T23 I cant get anything on my TV or it even to switch to "say" active output as TV. Fn-Function keys dont work |
| 04:01.13 | stew | arvind_khadri: why do you want to compile a kenrel in the first place? |
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| 04:01.51 | arvind_khadri | stew, as i want to check out the latest kernel, and my cam, doesnt work with the present one, it works with 2.6.27 |
| 04:01.53 | _Pete_ | why is always everyone questioning that? |
| 04:02.03 | _Pete_ | what's so wrong in compiling kernel |
| 04:02.26 | _Pete_ | if you ask from me, everyone should do that |
| 04:02.28 | illikawn | it compiles as a dpkg so its part of debian |
| 04:02.37 | _Pete_ | and undrestand all choices |
| 04:02.49 | at0m|c | _Pete_: cos debian packagers can do it much better |
| 04:03.01 | at0m|c | _Pete_: ..they think |
| 04:03.03 | _Pete_ | at0m|c: fro you ? |
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| 04:03.06 | _Pete_ | for |
| 04:03.16 | illikawn | older .config files dont work on newer kernels tho |
| 04:03.24 | Golden|Wolf | hey my sound seems to be working until i plugin my headphones, then it slowly decreases until i cant hear it anymore |
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| 04:03.46 | at0m|c | _Pete_: i've tried looking for support on compiling my own too, which i did, but not with help from #debian eh :/ |
| 04:04.03 | illikawn | www.debianuniverse.com |
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| 04:04.09 | _Pete_ | at0m|c: I know the feeling |
| 04:04.29 | illikawn | read online to compile your kernel the debian way eZ |
| 04:04.31 | stew | _Pete_: its been like 8 years since i've configued a kernel, i don't know why i would bother |
| 04:04.41 | _Pete_ | it's bit like in B5 shadows vs vorlons |
| 04:04.52 | _Pete_ | those have own ways of doing things |
| 04:04.59 | at0m|c | yea |
| 04:05.02 | _Pete_ | everything else is forbidden :) |
| 04:05.04 | stew | _Pete_: if you hang around here for long enough and help lots of people that have problems caused by their custom kernel, you'd start to wish that other people didn't bother |
| 04:05.15 | arvind_khadri | at0m|c, any pointers? |
| 04:05.21 | Golden|Wolf | any idea? |
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| 04:06.03 | illikawn | build a make allnoconfig than make menuconfig and start from a blank sheet |
| 04:06.17 | _Pete_ | stew: so you mean asking help with custom kernel from #debian is just wrong place? |
| 04:06.32 | at0m|c | arvind_khadri: i had a link that had it all nicely laid out, but it's been a couple of months.. will check |
| 04:06.34 | stew | _Pete_: that's not what I meant, no |
| 04:06.43 | _Pete_ | what then? |
| 04:06.50 | illikawn | dont use the desktop latencies even though ID softwares suggests it for the game |
| 04:07.02 | at0m|c | _Pete_: no, but compiling from source complicates support a lot |
| 04:07.15 | illikawn | they suck |
| 04:07.15 | arvind_khadri | _Pete_, he meant that custom kernel problems are too tricky to solve |
| 04:07.30 | stew | _Pete_: i mean that when someone whom i don't know at all asks me for pointers for compiling a kenrel, my first pointer is going to be "questiion whether or not you need to be compiling a kernel" |
| 04:07.36 | illikawn | RT will corrupt fglrx |
| 04:07.48 | _Pete_ | stew: ok, I see |
| 04:08.05 | stew | since hardly anyone compiling a kernel has a good reason to |
| 04:08.26 | arvind_khadri | hopes his reason was good enough |
| 04:08.27 | illikawn | i could see it done on testing but not stable |
| 04:08.44 | _Pete_ | stew: I think that's stupid to say |
| 04:08.54 | stew | _Pete_: why? |
| 04:09.06 | illikawn | always try freebsd before you take linux seriously |
| 04:09.15 | _Pete_ | because linux is ultimatelly build from sources |
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| 04:09.22 | _Pete_ | why try to hide that? |
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| 04:09.52 | stew | _Pete_: i don't know any reason to hide that |
| 04:10.26 | illikawn | arvind_khadri cant you build a driver? |
| 04:10.36 | at0m|c | arvind_khadri, IIRC, these got me going: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/202 |
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| 04:11.20 | arvind_khadri | illikawn, hey thanks for the idea, but the drivers were merged in 2.6.27, so any way i can extract them and patch? |
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| 04:11.43 | arvind_khadri | at0m|c, thanks a lot :) i would look into it :) |
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| 04:12.00 | gps23 | i changed the debian repo in the sources.lst using netselct-apt, now when i am installing a new package using aptitude it complains that "Untrusted versions of the package will be installed". how can i correct this prob? |
| 04:12.17 | at0m|c | arvind_khadri: both look pretty old, but i hope you'll get the idea on how to build your own kernel .deb |
| 04:12.17 | _Pete_ | stew: it is the drive to push linux to masses |
| 04:12.41 | illikawn | im from freebsd, id be lookin in /sys/src/ and go against freebsd handbook and build just one module... you can probably do that with debian just make sure module-assistant sees it |
| 04:13.05 | illikawn | so it shows up as locally built package or obsolete |
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| 04:14.05 | illikawn | or run testing |
| 04:14.32 | sshc | how do I change the font size in tty's? |
| 04:14.53 | beardy | sshc: By setting another font. |
| 04:14.58 | beardy | !consolechars |
| 04:15.36 | sshc | how do I set another font, beardy? |
| 04:15.52 | illikawn | release notes for testing are 404 |
| 04:16.06 | beardy | sshc: That's what I'm working on remembering. |
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| 04:19.09 | beardy | sshc: It is consolechars(8). |
| 04:19.20 | beardy | sshc: Though this depends on what you really mean. |
| 04:19.41 | beardy | sshc: You can either use another videomode, or framebuffer if you use that. Or, change the font used. |
| 04:20.57 | beardy | sshc: Though I don't know where consolechars has gone hiding. |
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| 04:21.39 | dclarke | sorry fro the dumb question, but I just installed debian and there is no ability to ssh into the workstation. Do I need to run aptitude install ssh or something like that ? |
| 04:21.52 | beardy | sshc: consolechars is in the package console-tools |
| 04:21.52 | H2S04 | dclarke, yes. |
| 04:21.54 | H2S04 | :P |
| 04:22.13 | beardy | dclarke: openssh-server yes. Use aptitude. |
| 04:22.23 | dclarke | so .. is there a way to search for a software package ? to get the name right ? |
| 04:22.33 | beardy | !search |
| 04:22.33 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt, or <bot help> |
| 04:22.37 | beardy | Indeed there is. |
| 04:22.39 | sshc | bearby: the manpage doesn't include font *sizes* |
| 04:22.51 | beardy | sshc: No. You can only switch fonts. |
| 04:22.58 | dclarke | apt-cache search foobar .. |
| 04:22.59 | dclarke | okay |
| 04:23.00 | beardy | sshc: There are fonts in larger sizes. |
| 04:23.04 | dclarke | let me try that with sshd |
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| 04:23.22 | H2S04 | facepalms |
| 04:23.37 | dclarke | okay, besides the java stuff I see openssh-server - secure shell server, an rshd replacement |
| 04:23.43 | sshc | what's a good small font, beardy? |
| 04:23.49 | H2S04 | facepalms |
| 04:23.53 | beardy | sshc: Oh, you want smaller? |
| 04:24.03 | sshc | how do I see which I am using? |
| 04:24.05 | illikawn | drdos 8x14 |
| 04:24.06 | H2S04 | dclarke, [22:22:16] <beardy> dclarke: openssh-server yes. Use aptitude. |
| 04:24.06 | mordy_ | when using dpkg-buildpackage, where do i specify options for ./configure? |
| 04:24.07 | sshc | yes |
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| 04:24.18 | beardy | sshc: I think you really want to use framebuffer, and a higher resolution. |
| 04:24.47 | beardy | !vesafb |
| 04:24.47 | dpkg | i heard vesafb is crap, if you compile all the lowlevel text drivers as modules, which happens automagically if you have another fb driver selected as a module. |
| 04:25.08 | sshc | how do I tell if I'm using frambuffer? |
| 04:25.24 | sshc | I'm using GRUB |
| 04:25.27 | illikawn | vga=# is in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:25.38 | illikawn | after kernel options like silent |
| 04:25.53 | dclarke | I have some notes from a few years ago, do I still need to install build-essentials to get gcc and binutils etc ? |
| 04:25.54 | beardy | !fbcon resolution |
| 04:25.54 | dpkg | fbcon resolution is probably run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 04:25.59 | illikawn | 794 is 16bit color 1280x1024 |
| 04:26.30 | beardy | dclarke: No, but it will install what is essential to building. |
| 04:26.56 | dclarke | no gcc ? or binutils ? |
| 04:27.09 | beardy | Is it you or me? |
| 04:27.19 | dclarke | I can probably bootstrap gcc, but it takes a long time |
| 04:27.47 | beardy | dclarke: build-essential installs gcc and necessary things for building instead of installing a ton of packages manually. Use it. |
| 04:27.54 | sshc | beardy, I am using a 1024x768 moniter. If I set vga to that will the font be smaller? |
| 04:28.27 | beardy | sshc: Yes. But you set a hex value to vga= |
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| 04:29.28 | illikawn | sshc than you can use links2 -g or mplayer in console to browse and watch movies :) |
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| 04:29.37 | sshc | the font I'm currently using doesn't seem too coarse, beardy, so doesn't that mean that it is already using 1024x768? |
| 04:29.53 | beardy | sshc: Try vga=0x318 |
| 04:30.06 | dclarke | oh, last question and then I'll stop bugging people, is there an easy way to shut off all the grapics? I don't want anything but a terminal console. I have notes here from 2006 or so that say to do #update-rc.d -f ?dm remove and then #update-rc.d ?dm stop 99 1 2 3 4 5 6 |
| 04:30.13 | dclarke | am I in the ballpark still ? |
| 04:30.23 | beardy | sshc: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
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| 04:30.49 | sshc | illikawn: wow, really? just by using a different resolution? |
| 04:30.53 | illikawn | dclarke if you are running 5.0 install xorg-core and "xorg" packages, than you can install only twm or not even |
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| 04:31.18 | beardy | dclarke: Uninstalling X and any X display manager would be easier if you don't want it. Or just not installing them in the first place. |
| 04:31.22 | illikawn | sshc ya nobody does it anymore because theres no flash\java and stuff |
| 04:31.25 | dclarke | well, this can run in just a console mode can't it ? |
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| 04:31.51 | dclarke | Linux ganymede 2.6.26-1-486 #1 Sat Jan 10 17:46:23 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux <-- this is what I have |
| 04:31.59 | beardy | sshc: The size of the font, number of rows and columns, depends on the framebuffer resolution, yes. |
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| 04:32.24 | beardy | prefers VGA 80x25. |
| 04:32.27 | zeta | arvind_khadri, I"m totally for the idea of compiling your own kernel |
| 04:32.31 | dclarke | I'll stop bugging people, thanks for the heads up on sshd and build-essentials |
| 04:32.33 | zeta | you'll learn alot more about linux in general |
| 04:32.39 | arvind_k | illikawn, i found the *.c file, if i patch it with my kernel, would the hardware work? |
| 04:32.56 | zeta | arvind_k, you have to try and find yourself =P |
| 04:33.03 | sshc | beardy: will only adding vga make me able to see images in links2? |
| 04:33.10 | beardy | sshc: No. |
| 04:33.19 | arvind_k | zeta, any pointers for building the patches ? :) |
| 04:33.43 | beardy | sshc: Never mind what I liked.. the kernel boot option vga tells the kernel which console video mode you will use. |
| 04:33.50 | zeta | arvind_k, keep a back up kernel lol |
| 04:33.54 | sshc | beardy: what do I need to do to be able to so? |
| 04:34.14 | beardy | sshc: I already told you. |
| 04:34.19 | beardy | sshc: Try vga=0x318 |
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| 04:34.48 | beardy | sshc: That is framebuffer, 1024x768 16M colours. |
| 04:34.48 | sshc | I mean, beardy, to be able to see images in links2? |
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| 04:34.54 | arvind_k | zeta, oooh, how do i do it ?? |
| 04:35.05 | beardy | sshc: Using framebuffer, you will be able to do that, yes. |
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| 04:35.55 | zeta | arvind_k, just make a copy of it in /boot lol |
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| 04:36.16 | zeta | and make sure when you edit your grub.conf your old kernel is still there |
| 04:36.48 | arvind_k | zeta, copy of what :S |
| 04:36.54 | sshc | ok, beardy. so, to clarify, simply adding vga=0x318 will use framebuffer and I will thus be able to see images in links2? |
| 04:37.03 | beardy | sshc: Yes. |
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| 04:37.15 | zeta | arvind_k, your kernel |
| 04:37.22 | arvind_k | zeta, sorry am pretty new to it... |
| 04:37.25 | illikawn | arvind_k mkdir /usr/src/modules/webcam cp webcam.c /usr/src/modules/webcam |
| 04:37.26 | zeta | no worries |
| 04:37.44 | linkslice | anyone know of pre-made debian images somewhere I can just dd to a flash card to throw in a soekris? |
| 04:37.49 | illikawn | apt-get install module-assistant |
| 04:38.11 | zeta | arvind_k, actually in gentoo there is no grub.conf, it's just menu.lst |
| 04:38.12 | sshc | beardy: ok, thanks. But, shouldn't framebuffer support 32 bit? |
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| 04:38.15 | illikawn | than run "m-a" select prepare, than pick webcam in the list to build and install it though m-a |
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| 04:38.23 | illikawn | u can try ;) |
| 04:38.25 | arvind_k | zeta, here too :P |
| 04:38.45 | arvind_k | illikawn, and about backing up the kernel ?? |
| 04:38.49 | zeta | man debian makes this whole kernel compiling thing way too hard lol |
| 04:38.57 | zeta | their menu.lst is so damn complicated |
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| 04:39.05 | illikawn | it will just install webcam.o to /lib/modules u can delete it after |
| 04:39.20 | arvind_k | illikawn, oh ok so need of backing up? |
| 04:39.43 | illikawn | your not touching vmlinuz, youre making a driver |
| 04:40.08 | arvind_k | i always had a question, whats vmlinuz? |
| 04:40.19 | illikawn | if it doesnt build you need the new kernel. see www.debianuniverse.com to build a dpkg installable kernel |
| 04:40.20 | arvind_k | and ya whats selinux? |
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| 04:40.53 | illikawn | a pile of shit |
| 04:41.49 | mordy_ | builds his kernels with make deb-pkg |
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| 04:42.36 | mordy_ | although i don't thiink the kernel source you'd get from apt would include that option in the makefile |
| 04:42.38 | arvind_k | illikawn, i cant create /usr/src/modules/webcam :D |
| 04:43.08 | arvind_k | mordy_, any idea how do i patch the driver? |
| 04:43.21 | mordy_ | hmm... wasn't following the thread |
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| 04:43.42 | mordy_ | but what driver and what patch are we talking about here? |
| 04:43.46 | illikawn | arvind_k are you some type of superuser? |
| 04:43.46 | sshc | beardy, in menu.lst, the commented line with `# kopt` includes other option's like `root=/dev/aoeu ro etc`. When I add kopt on the next line, do I need to include that extra stuff or Only vga=0x318? |
| 04:44.21 | mordy_ | sshc: the 'comment' is not really a comment |
| 04:44.30 | arvind_k | mordy_, i have a webcam, which has got its drivers integrated in 2.6.27, am on lenny , so wanted the driver to be patched onto the kernel, hoping this technique would work |
| 04:44.32 | beardy | sshc: 16 million is 24 bit, isn't it? |
| 04:44.43 | mordy_ | if you realize, in menu.lst there are # and ## lines. the # are parsed as configuration options |
| 04:44.48 | beardy | sshc: Don' |
| 04:45.11 | beardy | sshc: Don't youch anything else than the "vga=" |
| 04:45.12 | arvind_k | illikawn, yes i can be, but doest make sense as /usr/src/modules doesnt exist |
| 04:45.55 | sshc | beardy, ok, so only append vga in kopt? |
| 04:45.57 | illikawn | arvind_k install module-assistant, if it doesnt create modules make that too |
| 04:46.03 | mordy_ | arvind_k: hmm....depends what the patch does, really |
| 04:46.16 | illikawn | your not patching anything, youre making a driver |
| 04:46.18 | beardy | sshc: Yes. Append vga=0x318 |
| 04:46.29 | mordy_ | sometimes you'll need to run it against the source tree |
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| 04:46.35 | beardy | sshc: If you don't already have a vga option to edit. |
| 04:46.38 | mordy_ | should say in its readme |
| 04:46.44 | arvind_k | illikawn, aah |
| 04:47.14 | arvind_k | illikawn, so shall i run the module-assistant now? |
| 04:47.42 | mordy_ | i'm trying to build vim-tiny with dpkg-buildpackage; i can't figure out where to tell it that i *only* want vim-tiny. just running dpkg-buildpackage tries to compile all the packages |
| 04:47.53 | illikawn | arvind_k did you copy the /usr/src/linux/...drivernamefolder to /usr/src/modules/samedriverfoldername? |
| 04:48.35 | arvind_k | illikawn, not yet, as i cant create /usr/src/modules/samedriverfoldername |
| 04:48.36 | ajavid | what is going on in the world of mordy |
| 04:48.37 | ajavid | ? |
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| 04:48.56 | sshc | beardy: the only other spot vga is: |
| 04:48.59 | sshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.59 | sshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.00 | illikawn | try cp -a folder /usr/src/modules |
| 04:49.24 | mordy_ | lol long story |
| 04:49.36 | sshc | beardy: should I pastebinit? |
| 04:49.40 | arvind_k | illikawn, just a sec |
| 04:50.10 | beardy | sshc: Hmm, ok.. Yes please. Someone else may save me from looking stupid too then. |
| 04:50.12 | neoice | so the debian sid version of mpd doesnt support mp3 streaming. and the config file says the default is "enable" so I must be missing a library. I think it wants ffmpeg but I have that already. |
| 04:50.34 | arvind_k | illikawn, the file is under gspca , so i copy that directory to /usr/src/modules? |
| 04:50.49 | illikawn | ya |
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| 04:51.51 | illikawn | and youre hoping it looks at the kernel headers for the same functions |
| 04:52.40 | arvind_k | illikawn, hmm, i copied it |
| 04:52.45 | illikawn | run m-a |
| 04:52.52 | illikawn | prepare |
| 04:53.04 | beardy | sshc: Sounds like default options. I don't know what 791 is. |
| 04:53.13 | arvind_k | illikawn, done |
| 04:53.16 | illikawn | build |
| 04:53.41 | arvind_k | arvind_k, there is no option like that :( |
| 04:53.43 | sshc | beardy, huh? I don't add it after kopt? |
| 04:54.04 | illikawn | steal sid's kernel then |
| 04:54.14 | beardy | sshc: That's a commented out line.. |
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| 04:54.39 | arvind_k | illikawn, no actually am getting a ncurses interface here |
| 04:54.50 | beardy | sshc: Add it on the kernel's that you boot, line with boot options. |
| 04:55.14 | illikawn | arvind_k try select |
| 04:55.31 | sshc | beardy: Which line is that? |
| 04:55.59 | beardy | sshc: It's a good question. ;) |
| 04:56.22 | arvind_k | illikawn, which option under that? |
| 04:56.27 | beardy | sshc: # defoptions= |
| 04:56.31 | beardy | sshc: on that line. |
| 04:56.34 | illikawn | select from list |
| 04:56.49 | illikawn | select the modules source package to work on |
| 04:56.54 | arvind_k | illikawn, ya which one, i dont see gspca over there |
| 04:57.00 | illikawn | dammit |
| 04:57.46 | beardy | sshc: Or what you said yes.. the "# kopt" line actually.. sorry for the confusion. |
| 04:58.33 | beardy | sshc: Append it to the "# kopt" line to have it used for all kernels. Do it, and run update-grub. |
| 04:58.43 | sshc | beardy, ok, and just to make sure I don't blow my boot process, can you review my new menu.lst before I reboot? |
| 04:58.56 | beardy | sshc: Sure. Pastebin it. |
| 04:59.00 | sshc | wait, what is update-grub? |
| 04:59.16 | illikawn | well you moved one folder and it doesnt work how about that. take sid's kernel add deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free and apt-get the new kernel |
| 04:59.22 | beardy | sshc: To update grub, to use your new menu.lst, you have to run 'update-grub'. |
| 04:59.23 | sshc | beardy: http://pastebin.com/f3b62a8dd |
| 04:59.59 | illikawn | im trying to find out why m-a doesnt show it |
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| 05:00.31 | sshc | beardy, if I don't grub, then won't read the new menu.lst even on reboot? |
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| 05:01.25 | illikawn | arvind_k can you try update and look again? |
| 05:01.28 | beardy | sshc: No. |
| 05:03.23 | beardy | sshc: If you don't update, you meant, right? |
| 05:03.28 | illikawn | arvind_k the man says dont lol |
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| 05:04.27 | beardy | sshc: It looks good. So please run 'update-grub', it will output the results. If everything is fine you can reboot and test it. |
| 05:04.39 | illikawn | I remember the heartache on redhat 5.2 trying to get my lucent linmodem working and i put up with a boot (FATAL) for as long as I could remember to run my little 14.4 modem through aligator clips damnit. Why? does this man page say dont try to take sources and build with m-a?? |
| 05:05.32 | illikawn | like on bsd, a driver is a driver, on redhat a driver is a driver |
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| 05:07.05 | illikawn | it says dont take from kernel source AND dont take from the internet |
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| 05:09.30 | oxnard_montalvo | I got an attempt to ssh into my machine from someplace known where that should not have happened according to rhost. If I let them know is that sensible or is rhost= in auth.log somehow spoofable? Thanks. |
| 05:09.54 | dbbolton | i installed a base debian system, then installed xfce manually. x works, but i can't view or load images of any kind. what should i check? |
| 05:10.31 | oxnard_montalvo | do you have an image viewer installed? |
| 05:10.32 | arvind_khadri | illikawn,i installed gspca-source, |
| 05:10.46 | arvind_khadri | illikawn, now shall we try with module assistant?? |
| 05:11.08 | arvind_khadri | illikawn, or rather i should reboot and see if it works? |
| 05:11.23 | dbbolton | oxnard_montalvo yes |
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| 05:11.38 | dbbolton | oxnard_montalvo i mean even application icons wont show up |
| 05:12.03 | arvind_khadri | dbbolton, how did you install xfce? |
| 05:12.12 | illikawn | arvind_k it wont work unless modprobe.conf has the module listed and its installed in /lib/modules |
| 05:12.25 | dbbolton | arvind_khadri aptitude install xfce4 |
| 05:12.30 | dbbolton | afteri set up X |
| 05:12.45 | beardy | sshc: How's it going? |
| 05:13.11 | illikawn | i should change my nick to iknowhoweverydistrobreaks |
| 05:13.49 | arvind_khadri | dbbolton, only xfce4 ? |
| 05:13.50 | arvind_khadri | illikawn, ok so what do i do now? |
| 05:14.06 | arvind_khadri | illikawn, ?? |
| 05:14.12 | dbbolton | arvind_khadri no, many programs |
| 05:14.17 | illikawn | arvind_khadri when you said you installed you meant copy or m-a built it? |
| 05:14.38 | arvind_khadri | illikawn, apt-get install :D , |
| 05:15.34 | illikawn | arvind_khadri try m-a again |
| 05:15.53 | illikawn | and you might want to clean up that one folder mess in /usr/src/modules we made :) |
| 05:16.38 | dbbolton | i can see images on webpages in aceweasel |
| 05:19.03 | illikawn | arvind_khadri did you just notice this source right away? |
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| 05:21.28 | illikawn | pwnt? |
| 05:21.40 | illikawn | is it yours truly? |
| 05:21.44 | oxnard_montalvo | so what I'd really like to know is how to read my debian /var/log/auth.log, I'm out of ideas after an hour of manpages and websearchers. Any clues please? |
| 05:22.13 | sshc | beardy, I love this perfect font! |
| 05:22.43 | illikawn | so voodoo knows youve tried svgalib program? |
| 05:22.54 | sshc | but, beardy, I cannot view images in links2 |
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| 05:24.36 | illikawn | sshc you have to install links2 and run it with the -g switch |
| 05:24.49 | megatog615 | hmm |
| 05:25.03 | megatog615 | i cant get 2.6.28 or 2.6.29 to boot on my x86 laptop |
| 05:25.09 | illikawn | also /dev/tty0 and /dev/input/mice need to be added to video group |
| 05:25.24 | megatog615 | they get stuck at PREFETCH window: 0xblahblah |
| 05:25.44 | megatog615 | a bug for this is seemingly impossible to googlew |
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| 05:27.50 | sshc | illikawn, how do I add /dev/tty0 and /dev/input/mice to the video group |
| 05:28.31 | illikawn | as superuser chown root:video /dev/tty0 and chown root:video /dev/input/mice than your good to go till you reboot |
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| 05:34.47 | illikawn | an entry for your device into the /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions file |
| 05:35.10 | beardy | sshc: 'links2 -g' ? |
| 05:35.19 | sshc | what do I need to do with /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions? |
| 05:35.30 | illikawn | that makes it permanent |
| 05:36.00 | sshc | what do I do with it? |
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| 05:36.12 | oxnard_montalvo | ok so as near as I can tell if I've got a reputable ip address trying to login as root on my box either someone at the reputable company is bad or they've been compromised. Either way I should tell the reputable organisation of the attempt. Anyone want to disagree? Or even acknowledge the question with an "I don't know" or even "**** off to $chan for this kind of question"? |
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| 05:36.57 | sshc | illikawn |
| 05:37.31 | oxnard_montalvo | it makes sense to me that the ip address in auth.log will be 100% accurate. |
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| 05:38.18 | oxnard_montalvo | and thus ibm's watson research lab has a problem and it would be courtesey to tell them. |
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| 05:38.56 | illikawn | friggin /etc/udev on heres so confusin |
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| 05:39.01 | arvind_k | illikawn, apt-get install :D , |
| 05:39.21 | arvind_k | illikawn, i apt-get installed gpsca-source |
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| 05:39.38 | illikawn | arvind_k you just found this out? |
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| 05:39.55 | illikawn | my webcam is all red so I dont use it |
| 05:40.20 | arvind_k | illikawn, aah no , i was disconnected, now how do we use m-a to make the new driver into use |
| 05:40.36 | illikawn | arvind_k m-a is about as simple as it gets.... |
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| 05:40.56 | illikawn | prepare, select, build |
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| 05:41.46 | giasa | ciao |
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| 05:45.33 | illikawn | arvind_k what kind of webcam is that? |
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| 05:51.13 | illikawn | #ifndef _STDIO_H |
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| 05:51.48 | sshc | beardy: is it possible to run an openGL game in a tty without X? |
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| 05:52.02 | arvind__ | illikawn, wat do you mean by what kind of webacm |
| 05:52.08 | illikawn | what brand? |
| 05:52.51 | illikawn | there was a lil computer store had those good logitech cams in ziploc baggies for cheap, i never bought one |
| 05:53.27 | arvind__ | illikawn, intex, its a local one here |
| 05:54.32 | illikawn | features.h is beautiful |
| 05:55.04 | arvind__ | illikawn, i did m-a stuff now? |
| 05:55.30 | arvind__ | illikawn, but it didnt ask me to select the package i want |
| 05:55.32 | illikawn | arvind__ it should have installed, try modprobe (whatever the name was in the select) |
| 05:56.02 | illikawn | wth, select and nothings their? |
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| 05:56.54 | arvind__ | illikawn, no , i thought that it will ask me for the path where i had stored the new driver |
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| 05:57.34 | illikawn | no it should list everything installed from the distribution |
| 05:57.44 | sshc | illikawn, can openGL games be run without X? |
| 05:57.49 | illikawn | no |
| 05:58.02 | illikawn | you need mesa Xfree3 or DRI Xfree4 |
| 05:58.23 | illikawn | or Xorg (DRI) |
| 05:59.03 | arvind_khadri | illikawn, ya that it did |
| 05:59.07 | arvind_khadri | so now restart? |
| 05:59.14 | TapouT | how do I trigger dpkg to tell me how to take an experimental package and build it on lenny? bpp? something like that |
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| 06:02.14 | arvind_khadri | illikawn, now restart?? |
| 06:04.07 | illikawn | arvind_khadri no just modprobe |
| 06:04.18 | arvind_khadri | illikawn, ya did that |
| 06:04.34 | arvind_khadri | illikawn, the cam is not being recognized :( |
| 06:04.48 | illikawn | dmesg |
| 06:04.52 | illikawn | whats at the end? |
| 06:05.26 | illikawn | freebsd has better output |
| 06:05.55 | illikawn | anyone know howto change debug or something on dmesg? |
| 06:06.12 | arvind_khadri | [11208.735165] usbcore: registered new interface driver gspca [11208.735172] gspca: gspca driver 01.00.20 registered illikawn |
| 06:06.50 | illikawn | arvind_khadri umm unplug the webcam and get usb to redetect it |
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| 06:07.09 | illikawn | and dmesg again |
| 06:07.32 | illikawn | if you crash loooool |
| 06:07.42 | TapouT | !backport |
| 06:07.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 06:07.55 | TapouT | !simple sid backport |
| 06:07.55 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 06:09.08 | arvind_khadri | illikawn, http://paste.debian.net/31748/ |
| 06:09.20 | ikankecil | xserver on lenny crash, often :( |
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| 06:10.17 | illikawn | arvind_khadri :s doesnt work? |
| 06:10.56 | arvind_khadri | illikawn, no cheese doesnt recognize it |
| 06:11.05 | illikawn | dats fuct |
| 06:12.23 | illikawn | you might find like hardware revisions or something dont match for that driver |
| 06:12.53 | illikawn | im useless |
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| 06:13.07 | arvind_khadri | illikawn, i will have to compile the kernel, i feel that the module assistant dint make the new driver |
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| 06:13.26 | illikawn | you can lsmod |grep <module> |
| 06:13.28 | arvind_khadri | illikawn, thanks for all your support... :) thanks a million buddy |
| 06:13.57 | arvind_khadri | illikawn, i did that, the fact is that kernel doesnt have drivers, so even if there are modules it wont really work |
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| 06:26.28 | roccity_ | hey im try to install debian on a g3 imac it keeps failing at installing kernel |
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| 06:26.48 | roccity_ | Im using the powerpc iso |
| 06:26.54 | roccity_ | any ideas? |
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| 06:27.30 | roccity_ | Ive used 2 disks with 2 different mirrors and using the netinstall iso |
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| 06:42.34 | cydork | !debianppc |
| 06:42.34 | dpkg | i guess debianppc is /join #debianppc PowerPC port: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc. FAQs: Debian CDs are not and cannot be bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Info on proper partitioning can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt, the <yaboot> HOWTO can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/yaboot-howto.html |
| 06:42.53 | cydork | roccity_: i think you will get better help on #debianppc |
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| 06:46.58 | gps23 | hi |
| 06:47.03 | bRUTEfORCE | g/hi |
| 06:47.05 | bittin | hi |
| 06:47.07 | bRUTEfORCE | hi |
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| 06:48.54 | liable | eh |
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| 06:49.32 | gps23 | !tell bRUTEfORCE -about ubuntu |
| 06:49.47 | bittin | !tell bittin -about ubuntu |
| 06:50.13 | bittin | !tell bittin -about based on debian |
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| 06:50.43 | cydork | !tell bittin -about selftell |
| 06:50.50 | gps23 | how to add key for a mirror i have added to source.list? |
| 06:51.13 | bittin | cydork: ah ok |
| 06:51.39 | cydork | gps23: which mirror? |
| 06:51.59 | gps23 | i used netselect-apt to chose best mirror for me it was some .jp mirror |
| 06:52.25 | cydork | gps23: that should already there in the keyring.. |
| 06:52.27 | gps23 | i am now using it as my primary mirror but i am getting warning regarding untrusted packaged |
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| 06:52.57 | gps23 | cydork, , thats why i am confused, i tried to search for the key in the server itself but i am unable to find it |
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| 06:54.22 | Viking667 | hey there all. I'm trying to find out how much space a not-installed package would take up once installed. How would I do so? I'm not seeing any size information in "apt-cache showpkg ..." |
| 06:55.09 | gps23 | Viking667, use aptitude show, it shows uncompressed size |
| 06:55.26 | Viking667 | uh. aptitude isn't installed here. |
| 06:55.39 | Viking667 | ... neither's dselect, thank god. |
| 06:56.12 | gps23 | Viking667, aptitude is recommended packaged manager these days |
| 06:56.23 | gps23 | s/packaged/package/ |
| 06:56.38 | Viking667 | mmmm. |
| 06:56.46 | cydork | gps23: try /msg dpkg apt-key missingkey |
| 06:56.53 | gps23 | cydork, thanks |
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| 06:57.01 | Viking667 | I've used Synaptic and that other GUI apt app. |
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| 06:57.11 | bittin | Adept(?) |
| 06:57.14 | Viking667 | yeha. |
| 06:57.17 | Viking667 | err, yeah. |
| 06:57.26 | Viking667 | Still not sure which out of those I prefer. |
| 06:57.43 | bittin | i don't like any gui package manager at all ;> |
| 06:57.52 | bittin | apt-get in a terminal <3 |
| 06:57.58 | gps23 | Viking667, me too wasn't sure, i wandered around for sometime, then i read in debian reference manual that aptitude is recommended over apt-get |
| 06:58.06 | Viking667 | apt is (sorta) easy to use, but there's no doubt for me that GUI apps allow you to select multiple packages in one hit |
| 06:58.18 | gps23 | bittin, aptitude can be used using command line as well |
| 06:58.32 | Viking667 | nods. It's a TUI... |
| 06:58.36 | bittin | why not use sudo apt-get install package package2 package4 |
| 06:58.37 | Viking667 | so it doesn't need X running. |
| 06:58.37 | bittin | etc |
| 06:58.43 | gps23 | Viking667, bittin i never open gui interface, always use aptitude from command line |
| 06:58.45 | Viking667 | bittin: I do. |
| 06:58.52 | bittin | i never use apitude |
| 06:59.01 | bittin | it can be good but i never tested it so i can't say :p |
| 06:59.19 | gps23 | bittin, for aptitude its "aptitude install foo" or "aptitude show bar" |
| 06:59.25 | gps23 | aptitude search foo |
| 06:59.25 | Viking667 | I've had many a reason to like the GUI apps, though if I'm gunning for just one or two packages, apt is simplest. |
| 06:59.35 | gps23 | brb |
| 06:59.53 | Viking667 | for installing multiple packages, I find a GUI/TUI helps - lots. |
| 07:00.03 | Viking667 | ... can't STAND dselect though. |
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| 07:00.21 | bittin | i like gui package managers tough if i should give the computer to my mother / grandparents or someone thats not that good with *nix |
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| 07:03.14 | Viking667 | bittin: mmm. |
| 07:03.17 | Viking667 | 's good for that. |
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| 07:06.22 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:06.22 | dpkg | <Shadowwulf> note to self - note to learn the difference between 8 megs and 8 gig <Shadowwulf> i musta somehow thought i could install debian on 8 meg |
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| 07:06.41 | gps23 | cydork, how do i know the name of the missingkey? |
| 07:06.59 | liable | the person who made the repo should tell you |
| 07:07.46 | gps23 | liable, hmmm, i feel i should stick with original repo of debian.org |
| 07:07.55 | liable | probably a good idea |
| 07:08.25 | TiMiDo | lol |
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| 07:34.08 | Sebboh | Hi. I've added an extra repository to my apt sources.list, but I'm not seeing the package I want. Can I get a list of all packages provided by a certain repository? |
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| 07:53.51 | matmo | hi all. Need some quick advice re packaging. Is it possible to have a deb-of-debs to do off-line installation? I tried by using "dpkg -i <whatever>" in the post-install script but got "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process". |
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| 07:54.40 | jaybinks | hey.... ive got a box that seems to be rebooting its self for an unknown reason |
| 07:54.45 | jaybinks | how can I check why it rebooted ? |
| 07:55.03 | jaybinks | /var/log/messages just has ...... syslogd 1.4.1#18: restart. |
| 07:55.18 | matmo | jaybinks: had that problem a while back, it was a faulty IDE cable |
| 07:55.28 | jaybinks | mmm ok |
| 07:55.34 | jaybinks | pitty this ones a HP Blade server :P |
| 07:55.50 | jaybinks | with a high end SCSI Raid controller... and mirrors disks |
| 07:55.57 | jintxo | matmo, I am very clueless, but one pacackage installing another should be handled by dependencies between the packages, no? |
| 07:56.04 | jaybinks | but yea.... Im not ruling out a hardware prob... just like to try and see why though |
| 07:56.20 | jaybinks | jintxo : correct |
| 07:56.29 | matmo | jintxo: if on-line but my install has to done off-line |
| 07:57.00 | jintxo | matmo, but if the debs are already in the apt package cache, that shouldn't be a problem. |
| 07:57.01 | matmo | jaybinks: if it's hw then you might not get a log entry |
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| 07:57.40 | matmo | jintxo: how would they if not already installed? I'm pretty new to packaging |
| 07:58.09 | jaybinks | matmo : if its software.... where should I look ? |
| 07:59.33 | matmo | jaybinks: do you have an identical box to compare with? |
| 07:59.39 | jaybinks | yea.. |
| 08:00.21 | jintxo | matmo, I am clueless about packaging, but logic tells me that installation of your package should be a 2 step process. like the first step is to install dependencies, and then the second is to actually install your package. Maybe 2 different packages, one for each task or something like that. I don't really understand wh a package would be forced to be installed "offline" though, maybe that assumption is incorrect? |
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| 08:01.08 | matmo | look for what's different, maybe versions of hw drivers but first if poss I would swap PSU, cables, ie, anything obvious to try to rule out hw |
| 08:02.08 | jaybinks | yea.... not so easy to swap them but yea.. |
| 08:02.13 | jintxo | jaybinks, most mystical reboots that I have seen in the past come from overheating. can you monitor temps on that machine? |
| 08:02.18 | jaybinks | Im thinking I might just pop the disks into an identical box... |
| 08:02.29 | jaybinks | mmm I probably can monitor it |
| 08:02.37 | jaybinks | but its 1 blade... out of a rack full |
| 08:02.44 | jaybinks | in a datacenter, with proper cooling etc |
| 08:03.03 | jintxo | faulty fan? it's worth looking at some sensor information |
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| 08:03.13 | jintxo | at least to get that out of the way |
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| 08:03.15 | jaybinks | yea good call.. |
| 08:03.28 | jaybinks | yea.... iLo hasnt flagged any probs like that though |
| 08:03.38 | matmo | jintxo: there are a dozen or so dependencies so I'm trying to create a pkg that installs them. Off-line because no internet access at the site where they would be installed |
| 08:04.22 | jintxo | matmo, so here's what you need... carry the .debs that you need with you and copy them manually to the apt cache before installing your package |
| 08:05.37 | matmo | jintxo: ok, so I would do that copying in the pre-install script and just set dependencies as usual? |
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| 08:06.43 | jintxo | matmo, no that woldn't be a good generic solution. copy them manually with "cp" (not in any preinstall script) to the cache directory and in the package just set the dependencies "as usual" |
| 08:07.37 | jaybinks | matmo : so... just to be sure... there is no log .. or info I can use to find the reason for the last reboot |
| 08:07.40 | matmo | but then I may as well do tgz with an install script? This is supposed to be an easy process for whoever is doing the install |
| 08:07.55 | jaybinks | .... I assume segfaults etc... are just displayed on screen, not logged.. ? |
| 08:08.15 | jintxo | matmo, you can do what you aid as well, as a "one off" solution it would work OK. It just wouldn't be "future proof" |
| 08:08.16 | matmo | jaybinks: I would expect one if the machine reboot due to a hw fault |
| 08:08.20 | SappR | is it possible to create SSTP VPN on linux ? or a HTTPS VPN ? |
| 08:08.46 | jaybinks | ok... i guess im going to have to trawl the ilo logs :( |
| 08:09.04 | jintxo | jaybinks, lm-sensors maybe? |
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| 08:15.58 | matmo | jintxo: hmmm, thinking about it, that wouldn't work because the target pkgs would not have been extracted before the pre-inst script runs? |
| 08:16.02 | jintxo | matmo, if future proofing is not a concern, you can be "crude" with your scripts. if you are concerned about future est installs and not just a one off thing, the cleanest solution would be to provide a "distribution CD" of your software, that contains any debs that may be needed, including your own and adding that CD to the apt repositories and the using apt to install your package. Its a lot more work, though; it kind of depends on |
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| 08:16.26 | matmo | future no concern once installed |
| 08:17.01 | matmo | and no drives, just SD slots |
| 08:18.27 | matmo | jintxo: nm, I might just go with a install script and if needed a desktop icon to launch the script. Thanks for the suggests though. |
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| 08:21.03 | matmo | gtg, see ya |
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| 08:21.16 | jintxo | yup |
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| 08:35.19 | rhineheart_m | hello.. is there a way to determine the motherboard information without opening the cpu? |
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| 08:37.53 | jintxo | rhineheart_m, are you looking for info on a specific peice of HW on your board? if so, lspci should help with that. if you want motherboad make and model, usually the BIOS messages when you boot is the first place I would look. depends on the BIOS though |
| 08:38.14 | simonrvn | dmidecode ... ? |
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| 08:40.31 | jintxo | whoah, dmidecode sure shows a lot of info :-) had never run it before. excellent |
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| 08:41.06 | rhineheart_m | jintxo, what I want is only the model and make.. but the problem is..I'm in the remote side...accessing the headless server.. I'll give dmidecode a try |
| 08:41.21 | jintxo | do |
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| 08:45.19 | vi390 | If I want to run a deployment server at port 80, how can I do that. It blocks ports below 1000 IIRC, want to overwrite that rule, but how ? |
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| 08:52.26 | rhineheart_m | jintxo, you're great! I got it! |
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| 08:53.30 | jintxo | rhineheart_m, uh, simonrvn, you mean :-) thanks though lol |
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| 08:54.18 | rhineheart_m | and poderosa helped me too.. |
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| 09:00.02 | cryingtux | hello |
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| 09:00.50 | cryingtux | i want to install debian unstable/sid....are there debian unstable installers iso files present for download? |
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| 09:02.22 | valdyn | cryingtux: install stable then upgrade |
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| 09:03.50 | valdyn | vi390: what blocks those ports? |
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| 09:05.31 | cryingtux_ | !debian unstable |
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| 09:06.12 | valdyn | cryingtux: theres no benefit in using an often broken installer |
| 09:07.24 | cryingtux_ | valdyn: i just wanted to expereince the sid branch |
| 09:07.35 | valdyn | 10:02 < valdyn> cryingtux: install stable then upgrade |
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| 09:07.50 | cryingtux_ | so i was looking for how to get a debian with sid branch |
| 09:08.46 | cryingtux_ | valdyn: you mean lenny net install with sid/unstable repos enabled? |
| 09:09.27 | valdyn | cryingtux_: yes |
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| 09:09.57 | maligor | the sid experience might be interesting right now |
| 09:09.59 | cryingtux_ | thanks, thats what i was looking for....found a link here too http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html#3 |
| 09:10.13 | maligor | there's more than usual breakitude going on |
| 09:10.31 | maligor | or atlest more annoying they are to me :P |
| 09:10.33 | valdyn | cryingtux_: that site is excellent, even if its blunt |
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| 09:10.47 | Crazy_Hopper | hi there. got one question regarding linux-header package. 2.6.26 used to have a horde of symlinks in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686/include/linux/, which is not the case anymore for 2.6.29 variant. Which consequently makes building third-party very inconvenient. is it something I should report about, or am I missing something? |
| 09:11.14 | cryingtux_ | valdyn: looks helpful |
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| 09:13.26 | cryingtux_ | would sid expereince be more interesting or testing branch? |
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| 09:13.55 | gomoran | anacron not working if system is always hibernated (syspend-to-disk). |
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| 09:16.40 | DomiX | hi, is there a way to know which package have been installed from debian-multimediaa repository? |
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| 09:18.24 | hark | DomiX: try aptitude search '~i~Ounoff' |
| 09:18.55 | hark | DomiX: or /msg dpkg which repo |
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| 09:19.36 | zepard | hi all |
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| 09:20.01 | zepard | what happend to git package on sid? |
| 09:20.37 | hark | zepard: what do you mean? |
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| 09:21.13 | hark | zepard: the package name is git-core |
| 09:21.26 | zepard | hark: name was changed ok |
| 09:21.37 | hark | it wasn't changed |
| 09:22.15 | zepard | hark: I don't understand then the prensece of the "git" named package |
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| 09:22.32 | Crazy_Hopper | erm... no hints on my question? |
| 09:22.38 | hark | !info git stable |
| 09:23.06 | dpkg | git: (GNU Interactive Tools, a file browser/viewer and process viewer/killer), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.3.20-10 (etch), Packaged size: 261 kB, Installed size: 939 kB |
| 09:23.24 | hark | zepard: ^ is now gnuit... |
| 09:23.33 | DomiX | hark: thanks, I don't have anymore package from debian-multimedia but vlc still don't display video Debian Bug report logs - #483000 |
| 09:24.03 | hark | DomiX: remove the cache |
| 09:24.16 | valdyn | zepard: the git package is not the git version control system |
| 09:24.23 | DomiX | already done, rm -frv ~/.vlc |
| 09:24.29 | zepard | hark ha ok, that's why sid installs gnuit when triyng to install git (with no pront though) |
| 09:24.47 | zepard | prompt^ |
| 09:25.31 | zepard | valdyn: apt-cache show git --> nothing too |
| 09:25.43 | hark | zepard: there's no git package in sid as of now |
| 09:26.24 | Crazy_Hopper | apt-cache showpkg git |
| 09:26.27 | valdyn | !versions git |
| 09:26.31 | simonrvn | judd: versions git-core |
| 09:26.32 | judd | simonrvn: git-core -- etch: 1:1.4.4.4-4 etch-security: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch1 etch-backports: 1:1.5.6.5-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:1.5.6.5-3 squeeze: 1:1.6.2-1 sid: 1:1.6.2.1-1 |
| 09:26.45 | valdyn | judd: versions git |
| 09:26.46 | judd | valdyn: git -- etch: 4.3.20-10 lenny: 4.9.4-1 sid: 4.9.4-1 |
| 09:26.49 | hark | i guess it'll be in soon, and git-core would be a transitional package for the next release |
| 09:26.50 | simonrvn | git is some other thing... |
| 09:26.56 | simonrvn | it's gnu it |
| 09:27.02 | simonrvn | you want git-core |
| 09:27.11 | hark | !info git |
| 09:27.18 | valdyn | judd is a little behind |
| 09:27.18 | judd | valdyn: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
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| 09:28.58 | hark | DomiX: what type of video file does it not play? |
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| 09:30.04 | DomiX | hark: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 576 x 240, 25.00 fps, video: XviD the audio works |
| 09:30.31 | zepard | hark: I would 've seen a warning and promt for transitionnal packages, in personal usage |
| 09:30.43 | zepard | anyway |
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| 09:31.05 | hark | DomiX: try -> apt-get install --reinstall libavcodec51=0.svn20080206-17 libavformat52=0.svn20080206-17 libavutil49=0.svn20080206-17 libpostproc51=0.svn20080206-17 libswscale0=0.svn20080206-17 |
| 09:31.08 | zepard | git-core here I go |
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| 09:32.57 | DomiX | hark: thnaks it works! |
| 09:33.22 | hark | np |
| 09:33.31 | rhineheart_m | realtek audio driver please for debian |
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| 09:34.26 | valdyn | !help rhineheart_m |
| 09:35.02 | hark | DomiX: but you have to remove the debian-multimedia repo from your sources.list now |
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| 09:36.20 | rhineheart_m | valdyn, my motherboard is K8M80 and it's realtek.. I want to use it in my debian machine.. any idea/ |
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| 09:39.01 | DomiX | hark: yep |
| 09:39.20 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: it should be working, did you try? |
| 09:39.28 | hark | cool |
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| 09:40.45 | rhineheart_m | it's not working.. how would I know it's working? it's headless.. and it's a server.. I've installed vmwareserver2 there.. I just want to install realtek audio in the guest os.. but it says can't find audio hardware in the host OS.. |
| 09:41.51 | SappR | did you install vmware tools ? |
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| 09:42.16 | rhineheart_m | Saar, yeah I installed it |
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| 09:42.24 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 09:42.24 | dpkg | somebody said driver locator was To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 09:42.32 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: ^^ |
| 09:42.43 | hark | rhineheart_m: what does lspci -nn say about it? |
| 09:43.08 | hark | Crazy_Hopper: what error do you get? |
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| 09:51.34 | vi390 | valdyn: @blocks those Ports (context: running services at lower ports) => I dont know. If I start the service at 8080 there is no problem. Starting the service with port 80 its not starting at all. IIRC i have read somewhere, that its not allowed to start services under a normal user which uses ports below 1000 or so |
| 09:51.50 | valdyn | vi390: indeed |
| 09:52.10 | jerryeguru | what does it mean for Debian Volatile being official? |
| 09:52.24 | valdyn | vi390: so you need to acquire that port as root |
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| 09:52.40 | valdyn | vi390: man programs are able to drop permissions after they have that port |
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| 09:52.52 | valdyn | vi390: or maybe inetd can do that for you |
| 09:53.52 | valdyn | vi390: making privileged ports available to normal users is possible, but its a bad idea |
| 09:54.06 | dirkson | Hello all. Does debian have urxvt ? |
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| 09:55.11 | valdyn | dirkson: yes |
| 09:55.21 | SparFux | Is there a way to list all identical files in two different debian packages? |
| 09:55.44 | dirkson | valdyn: Alright. Next logical question, which package is it in? : ) |
| 09:56.19 | vi390 | valdyn: ok, thx |
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| 09:56.51 | valdyn | judd: versions urxvt |
| 09:56.52 | judd | valdyn: urxvt -- |
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| 09:57.43 | valdyn | dirkson: apt-file search bin/urxvt |
| 09:57.50 | valdyn | !tell dirkson -about search |
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| 09:58.32 | valdyn | dirkson: its there more than once |
| 09:58.42 | dirkson | valdyn: Awesome |
| 09:58.56 | valdyn | dirkson: 3 times |
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| 09:59.10 | valdyn | SparFux: sure |
| 09:59.16 | SparFux | Or better: list all files in a package which are already installed in the system. |
| 09:59.21 | valdyn | SparFux: whats the point? what are you trying to do? |
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| 10:00.46 | SparFux | valdyn: I have installed the nouveau driver and it has some identical files in four packages. I have installed divertions for them, but everytime I try to reinstall every package lists one more identical file and gives up installation with an error. So instead of go on trying installation and adding the one file for a package every install try I would like to simply get a list of identical files. |
| 10:01.13 | valdyn | SparFux: that nouveau package must be doing something evil |
| 10:01.28 | valdyn | SparFux: it should not overwrite a file if it contains *only* the nouveau driver |
| 10:01.54 | SparFux | valdyn: it is! It's doing a quick and dirty installation of the drivers. It was created with "checkinstall" which is evil I guess. But it is less evil than "make install". |
| 10:02.10 | valdyn | SparFux: i guess its probably not just the drivers in there then |
| 10:02.21 | SparFux | It's the dev files, too. |
| 10:02.45 | SparFux | Plus it overwrite the drm libs, it should be an alternative, not a diversion. But this is quick and dirty.. |
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| 10:06.53 | valdyn | SparFux: ok anyway: mkdir /tmp/nouveau; dpkg -x /path/to/nouveau.deb; find | while read i; do ls /$i 2>/dev/null;done |
| 10:07.09 | valdyn | SparFux: ok, god, theres one mistake in there |
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| 10:07.34 | SparFux | it's ok, I get the idea. So by extracting and not by help of dpkg or something. |
| 10:07.35 | valdyn | SparFux: ok anyway: mkdir /tmp/nouveau; dpkg -x /path/to/nouveau.deb; cd /tmp/nouveau ; find | while read i; do ls /$i 2>/dev/null;done |
| 10:08.01 | valdyn | SparFux: i guess dpkg can list files too, that wouldnt change the script that much |
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| 10:09.23 | valdyn | SparFux: dpkg --contents |
| 10:09.39 | SparFux | ok, thx. |
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| 10:10.53 | valdyn | http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/DebianInstall |
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| 10:11.29 | SparFux | valdyn: find -type f |
| 10:11.51 | echo6 | any one done a eee install using lvm with crypted root and swap? |
| 10:11.59 | valdyn | SparFux: yea |
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| 10:15.33 | nsadmin | echo6: probably |
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| 10:16.41 | echo6 | nsadmin: the options are there in the installer, presumably easy for 1 disk system |
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| 10:17.05 | echo6 | but as eee has 2 disks 4gb and 16gb it's not so easy :) |
| 10:18.26 | nsadmin | why is more than one disk any harder? |
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| 10:20.06 | nsadmin | -none- of the machines and systems I have built have just one partition, for example... |
| 10:20.24 | Koo | what is the newest and coolest debian out there? |
| 10:20.31 | nsadmin | especially /home /usr /var and /tmp |
| 10:20.54 | arvind_khadri | Koo, lenny |
| 10:20.57 | nsadmin | Koo: they will tell you at google.com |
| 10:21.12 | echo6 | its getting the installer to understand I want /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb1 combined in a volume group |
| 10:21.54 | nsadmin | you'll need a small partition not in lvm |
| 10:22.02 | Koo | i finally got fed up with all the sophisticated distros |
| 10:22.02 | echo6 | yes for /boot |
| 10:22.20 | Koo | just need a stable easy great looking fast installing |
| 10:22.22 | Koo | deb |
| 10:22.23 | Koo | :DF |
| 10:22.45 | nsadmin | Koo: when you find it let someone know! |
| 10:22.55 | echo6 | /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 should be combined lvm with encrypted swap and root containers |
| 10:22.59 | Koo | well wasn`t deb the stable one nsadmin ? |
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| 10:23.23 | nsadmin | debian tends to be very stable |
| 10:23.42 | nsadmin | when you use the stable version |
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| 10:24.22 | nsadmin | echo6: so do you have the pvs created? |
| 10:24.41 | echo6 | nsadmin: not yet, I'm going to try and manually do it via shell |
| 10:24.42 | Koo | nsadmin is lenny stable already? |
| 10:24.54 | nsadmin | Koo: www.debian.org |
| 10:25.01 | Koo | orgh ok |
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| 10:26.38 | nsadmin | I'll just note that I'm not a fan of multidisk VGs unless it's on a real, hardware raid array |
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| 10:27.25 | echo6 | nsadmin: I agree, but I need it on this EEE |
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| 10:29.38 | echo6 | ive created the pv, should I manually create a vg using /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb1? |
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| 10:29.50 | nsadmin | one pv? |
| 10:30.01 | echo6 | pv using /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb1 |
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| 10:30.24 | nsadmin | so that' |
| 10:30.29 | nsadmin | s the confusion |
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| 10:30.47 | nsadmin | you will need a pv on sda2 and a pv on sdb1 |
| 10:30.55 | nsadmin | then you make a vg |
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| 10:31.02 | nsadmin | and include both pvs |
| 10:31.12 | echo6 | ok, i did pvcreate /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb1 |
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| 10:31.33 | echo6 | vgcreate vg1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb1, is that correct? |
| 10:31.55 | nsadmin | so I'll have to check the man page to see. |
| 10:32.24 | echo6 | I'm hoping that when I go back to the installer it will correctly setup the encrypted swap and root volumes! |
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| 10:32.44 | Koo | i need something like debian-amd64-500-netinst.iso right? |
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| 10:33.24 | nsadmin | looks that way |
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| 10:33.36 | Koo | i have core2duo |
| 10:33.52 | echo6 | hmm, no unfortunately the insaller then doesnt give me the options to using cryptsetup, guess I have to do that manually in the shell :( |
| 10:33.56 | nsadmin | that would give you amd64 userland |
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| 10:34.16 | Koo | userland ? |
| 10:34.19 | Koo | what's that |
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| 10:34.32 | nsadmin | wikipedia.com |
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| 10:35.41 | Koo | i don`t dig it man |
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| 10:37.38 | x1250 | anyone having problems with fglrx in sid? there is no /dev/dri now, and I see there was an update of udev. Any clues? |
| 10:37.42 | streuner_ | !listvals userland |
| 10:37.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'userland' by value (6): longest url ;; pipfs ;; frontier ;; kbsd ;; debian gnu/kfreebsd ;; ddt-client. |
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| 10:40.57 | Dubphil | Hello, just bought an ASUS lcd screen with an embeded cam, I can make working the cam with the uvcvideo driver already compiled on the lenny 2.6.26 kernel, I can see the images with the luvcview but cheese doesn't seem to capture anything, I have nothing in /dev/video0, any idea ? |
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| 10:41.48 | Dubphil | I don't now which /dev/? to look |
| 10:41.58 | Dubphil | sorry knwo |
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| 10:42.54 | Metro_joe | just a short question(for now) can i safely mount 2 read-only drives to the same folder? |
| 10:43.03 | x1250 | hark, eh? 2.6.26-1-686 new? |
| 10:43.23 | Dubphil | Metro_joe: of course not |
| 10:43.38 | Metro_joe | k, thought not, but was hoping i could >.< |
| 10:44.16 | hark | x1250: 2.6.29 is in sid |
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| 10:45.16 | SN^Vampire | hi.. |
| 10:45.29 | SN^Vampire | wich version of qt4 in debian lenny by default ? |
| 10:45.31 | x1250 | hark, I don't have that version installed |
| 10:45.45 | x1250 | I see it on the repos though |
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| 10:48.56 | agua | someone with a macbook? |
| 10:49.00 | agua | thanks |
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| 10:49.34 | hark | x1250: ok, then that's not the problem. might be libdrm2 related |
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| 10:51.23 | x1250 | uhm, could be, I had an update for libdrm2 2.3.1-2 -> 2.4.5-2 |
| 10:51.49 | x1250 | I guess I will install the old version. Is there any archive where I could download the old version? |
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| 10:52.03 | hark | x1250: anyway, you're running sid. you should know to check the bts |
| 10:53.07 | x1250 | well... yea |
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| 10:54.56 | SparFux | Well, it's easier to do it the right way. I get multiple files identical in other packages which aren't detected by dpkg -x and find | ls /$i because they are links, I guess: libdrm.so libdrm.so.1 and so on. |
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| 10:56.35 | hareldvd | I understand I can - apt-get install vmware-player -. Do I need to update /etc/apt/sources.list ?? |
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| 10:58.15 | luke1704 | Hello all! Short question: Which diff/merge tool can you recommend using Lenny? |
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| 10:58.52 | SN^Vampire | wich version of qt4 in debian lenny by default ? |
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| 11:01.59 | luke1704 | SN^Vampire, 4.5.0-2 |
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| 11:03.52 | hark | stable has 4.3 |
| 11:04.35 | hark | wait |
| 11:04.56 | SN^Vampire | luka, thx |
| 11:05.12 | hark | judd: versions libqt4-core |
| 11:05.13 | judd | hark: libqt4-core -- etch: 4.2.1-2+etch1 etch-security: 4.2.1-2+etch1 lenny: 4.4.3-1 sid: 4.4.3-2 squeeze: 4.4.3-2 experimental: 4.5.0-2 |
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| 11:05.45 | hark | not 4.3 then |
| 11:06.28 | luke1704 | oh, didn't know thta I already use experimental |
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| 11:06.38 | SN^Vampire | m.. |
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| 11:13.30 | ham5 | when I do anything in the system>admin menu it promps me for my root pass, I save it for the session, but how can I get it to time out after 15 minutes or when the screen saver comes on or something?? |
| 11:13.38 | ham5 | is that a gnome config or what? |
| 11:14.07 | sharkk | hi, to who do i should ask to make a deb pkg for a software that don't has a deb pkg? thanks. |
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| 11:14.24 | liable | !nmg |
| 11:14.24 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>. |
| 11:14.29 | liable | sharkk: ^^ |
| 11:14.38 | sharkk | to teh software manager or to someone of debian? |
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| 11:16.44 | abrotman | !rfp |
| 11:16.44 | dpkg | from memory, rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
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| 11:25.58 | wm4 | is there a good xmms replacement, that uses a standard GUI? I tried to use audacious, but it mixes GTK with its own buttugly... theme or something |
| 11:26.14 | arvind_k | hark, you there? |
| 11:26.55 | abrotman | wm4: audacious is fine for me .. but i'm a pretty basic user |
| 11:27.08 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i've installed squeeze in my laptop. I want to play online video which requires WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER plugin, how can i playy it ???? |
| 11:27.11 | liable | simple even |
| 11:27.30 | wm4 | abrotman: me too, I'd be happy if audiacious weren't so black... I guess I'll look for better themes |
| 11:27.44 | abrotman | wm4: oh .. get a new theme for it |
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| 11:28.15 | wm4 | I wonder why media players always need their own GUI... |
| 11:28.19 | spacepluk | wm4: I'm using totem right now, and rhythmbox is also nice though not that simple |
| 11:28.23 | wm4 | just makes more work for everyone |
| 11:28.41 | wm4 | spacepluk: I'll try these |
| 11:29.10 | spacepluk | wm4: rhythmbox is more like iTunes |
| 11:29.30 | wm4 | I don't know iTunes |
| 11:29.44 | wm4 | as long as it isn't like Amarok... |
| 11:30.37 | spacepluk | wm4: Actually it is, but I find it to be more usable |
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| 11:30.50 | wm4 | funfun, some of these just installed avahi-daemon |
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| 11:31.53 | eNaz | How do you add some IP-adresses to your server? Running debian. |
| 11:32.15 | AcTiVaTe | wm4: Go for mpd and mpc and/or gmpc if you want to be able to choose between gui or not |
| 11:32.52 | wm4 | AcTiVaTe: the problem is not with having a GUI... it's rather skins and non-standard GUIs I have problems with |
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| 11:33.44 | AcTiVaTe | wm4: Ow, loads around that don't use them. Listen, Exaile, Rhythmbox |
| 11:34.53 | wm4 | rhythmbox is as confusing as amarok and exaile |
| 11:34.56 | spacepluk | wm4: I think that if you don't want all the management thing you'll do better with totem |
| 11:34.56 | Silver | Good morning everyone |
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| 11:35.31 | spacepluk | wm4: It's supposed to be a movie player, but has a simple playlist and works fine |
| 11:35.58 | AcTiVaTe | gmplayer works similarly for that matter. Same with vlc |
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| 11:36.17 | eNaz | How do you add some IP-adresses to your server? Running debian.- |
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| 11:37.23 | Silver | im trying to change the size of console frambuffer at boot. I use grub2 and most of the information I have found seems to be outdated. All I want to do is make the linux console font smaller at boot time. Any suggestions? |
| 11:37.24 | raphi | spacepluk: I always use the smplayer. I think it's better looking than the gmplayer.. |
| 11:37.32 | abrotman | eNaz: man 5 interfaces |
| 11:37.34 | Silver | framebuffer* |
| 11:37.46 | eNaz | abrotman: What? |
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| 11:38.02 | abrotman | what? |
| 11:38.13 | wm4 | for videos, I use plain mplayer |
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| 11:39.05 | neoice | hm... so I managed to eat my GPT table... anyone have thoughts on how to recover it? I wrote the start/end down earlier. |
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| 11:39.21 | neoice | should really not mess with triple booting |
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| 11:39.59 | jmd | wm4, I use streamtuner |
| 11:40.35 | liable | neoice: gpart |
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| 11:41.10 | wm4 | maybe I should just write something custom using pygtk, it's not like I have lots of feature requirements |
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| 11:42.11 | abrotman | wm4: you could also look at xmms2 and its front ends |
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| 11:42.44 | wm4 | abrotman: isn't that a client-server thing that uses some database for media files? |
| 11:42.51 | scoaz | hi |
| 11:43.28 | abrotman | wm4: you seemed more concerned with the frontend .. it has numerous |
| 11:44.19 | wm4 | so why is it called xmms2 at all? it's completely different from xmms |
| 11:44.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:46.09 | scoaz | i have the known sound problem with HDA intel card. I upgraded to squeeze, nothing changed. Anyone managed to get sound here ? Every how-to i found on the web doesn't work. I'm on a 2.6.26-1-686. |
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| 11:46.47 | wm4 | and audacious is hardly an improvement of xmms... why did they have to remove xmms from debian? |
| 11:47.07 | abrotman | wm4: dead upstream and using gtk1 |
| 11:47.30 | abrotman | !xmms |
| 11:47.30 | dpkg | xmms is, like, the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms/news/20080302T105714Z.html) For alternatives, look at <xmms2>, <rhythmbox>, <amarok>, exaile, songbird, quod libet ... see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html for removal reasons |
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| 11:48.03 | wm4 | this makes me grumpy |
| 11:48.45 | abrotman | wm4: you could port xmms1 to gtk2 ? |
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| 11:50.31 | wm4 | quodlibet crashes on start... |
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| 11:55.21 | wm4 | it seems music players are either too shitty or too overengineered |
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| 11:56.16 | abrotman | thinks audacious is fine ... |
| 11:56.41 | wm4 | abrotman: I gave up after I couldn't resize its playlist window |
| 11:56.51 | abrotman | i can |
| 11:57.42 | abrotman | that's why it has the little lines in the lower right corner |
| 11:58.16 | wm4 | upon further investigation, it works if you disable window manager decorations |
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| 11:59.04 | wm4 | with decorations, you can't resize it neither with the "normal" way, nor by using the window manager |
| 11:59.12 | abrotman | eh .. hadn't noticed |
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| 12:00.57 | abrotman | wm4: TBH .. my grive with audacious/xmms is that audacious is noticeably slower |
| 12:01.13 | wm4 | abrotman: how is it slower? decoding? the GUI? |
| 12:01.19 | abrotman | wm4: just starting :) |
| 12:01.34 | wm4 | I don't usually start my music player |
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| 12:02.08 | wm4 | anyway, my main problem is that most players are infected by that "media library" crap idea |
| 12:02.34 | spacepluk | wm4: I still recommend totem :P |
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| 12:04.23 | wm4 | spacepluk: one thing that bothers me is that video window (it even stays if you disable audio "visualization") |
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| 12:04.54 | wm4 | spacepluk: another thing, you don't seem to be able to search the playlist (like with "j" in audiacious/xmms) |
| 12:06.00 | abrotman | thinks wm4 should write a music player called .. xmms |
| 12:06.12 | wm4 | what |
| 12:06.43 | abrotman | it was a joke |
| 12:07.03 | wm4 | hm, I could wine winamp.exe |
| 12:07.10 | abrotman | you could |
| 12:07.13 | spacepluk | wm4: That's right, I guess there's no perfect player :P |
| 12:07.31 | agua | 3? |
| 12:07.37 | agua | what is the prblem with rhythmbox? |
| 12:07.40 | agua | is a good player |
| 12:07.43 | agua | indeed xmms too |
| 12:07.47 | abrotman | your enter key is broken |
| 12:07.51 | pipcookie | <---uses rhythmbox |
| 12:08.15 | Jemt | Hi. Can someone tell me how to get the serial number from the line below using 'udevinfo' without all kinds of meta data? I need the program to output exactly the serial number, nothing else |
| 12:08.15 | Jemt | KERNEL=="sd*", BUS=="usb", SYSFS{serial}=="000AEB90B3495B8805163011", SYMLINK+="linos%n" |
| 12:08.22 | Jemt | linos=linux |
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| 12:10.02 | spacepluk | Jemt: man awk :) |
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| 12:10.47 | Jemt | spacepluk: Okay. I thought that udevinfo was capable of doing it by itself. Thanks :) |
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| 12:12.28 | wm4 | I'm using much too many bitrotting applications... like xmms, icewm, xterm, kde3, mplayer... |
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| 12:12.55 | spacepluk | Jemt: Maybe it is. |
| 12:12.56 | abrotman | uses xterm |
| 12:12.58 | mikeyjk | I just use utorrent :S |
| 12:13.55 | wm4 | and why does rhythmbox make advertising for commerical music stores? |
| 12:14.00 | Maxdamantus | is trying to install libpam (for /usr/lib/libpam*, /usr/include/security/*, etc).. When I apt-get install libpam0g-dev, I get: E: Couldn't find package libpam0g-0.79-5 |
| 12:14.14 | Maxdamantus | Err.. |
| 12:14.18 | Maxdamantus | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.25 | Maxdamantus | (Not the first one I said) |
| 12:14.59 | Maxdamantus | is not familiar with apt.. All I know is install and moo. |
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| 12:15.25 | spacepluk | Has somebody tried kde4.2 on testing/sid ? |
| 12:15.40 | wm4 | also, rhythmbox seems to anylyze all files when you load a playlist, which is not good |
| 12:17.13 | mikeyjk | no one is responding on C## :( |
| 12:18.00 | wm4 | mikeyjk: well, they're elitist pricks |
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| 12:19.18 | pipcookie | Okay, so here's the story. I finally got my mp3 player to mount after a lot of tears and frustration, but now my poor n00b self is screwed because I can't put music on, or take music off of it. I checked the permissions via the gui because I'm not too familiar with basic commands yet, and owner is listed as root. So I googled and found chown, but it doesn't seem to be working. I know I'm doing something wrong, I just don't know what, and I can' |
| 12:19.19 | pipcookie | t understand half the answers google gives me. I'm really sorry for wasting your time and stuff, but could someone maybe help me? |
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| 12:20.11 | nayx | pipcookie: most likely your mp3player uses vfat as filesystem |
| 12:20.20 | pipcookie | what does that mean> |
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| 12:20.25 | nayx | google about fstab and howto add an entry to allow your user to mount it |
| 12:20.29 | mikeyjk | lol wm4 |
| 12:20.30 | valdyn | wm4: that is plugins that you can switch off |
| 12:20.36 | mikeyjk | I need help with mah c though :( |
| 12:20.39 | nayx | pipcookie: you cant chown on vfat |
| 12:20.40 | wm4 | pipcookie: unmount the filesystem, chown the mount point to your user, remount |
| 12:20.42 | pipcookie | oooh, fstab i just learned. |
| 12:20.45 | abrotman | mikeyjk: go to ##c and wait |
| 12:21.00 | mikeyjk | I currently am, abrotman |
| 12:21.15 | pipcookie | okay |
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| 12:22.07 | Maxdamantus | Easy. -o uid=$(id -u),gid=$(id -g) |
| 12:22.22 | mib_uaixlx | which nick in this channel is a debian helper bot? |
| 12:22.24 | Michele | hi do u know if it's possibile to merge two partions (/ and /home) together into one? |
| 12:22.32 | Michele | *partition |
| 12:22.45 | pipcookie | hmm, I get "chown: changing ownership of `/home/pip/mp3': Operation not permitted" |
| 12:22.45 | Maxdamantus | So is anyone able to solve my problem? |
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| 12:23.17 | Maxdamantus | has only really ever properly used Gentoo. : |
| 12:23.30 | wm4 | pipcookie: as root (but then again, I'm not sure if my advice actually works) |
| 12:23.31 | spacepluk | pipcookie: you may need to run chown as root |
| 12:23.40 | pipcookie | i *am* running it as root I think |
| 12:23.49 | abrotman | Maxdamantus: paste your sources.list at paste.debian.net |
| 12:23.50 | Michele | pipcookie, whoami |
| 12:24.01 | Maxdamantus | Operation not permitted != Permission denied |
| 12:24.22 | Maxdamantus | pipcookie, what sort of filesystem is /home/pip? |
| 12:24.26 | pipcookie | ext3 |
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| 12:24.50 | Maxdamantus | df -hT /home/pip |
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| 12:24.52 | wm4 | Michele: you could try unionfs, or something similar |
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| 12:25.22 | pipcookie | but see, i had this crash a while back, and since then it's been kind of weird. at one point I had a hidden 2000 gig partition on a 250 gb harddrive |
| 12:25.27 | mib_uaixlx | I need a bot that can answer some questions. can you help me? |
| 12:25.31 | pipcookie | i think i installed kind of stupid. |
| 12:25.37 | abrotman | mib_uaixlx: just ask your real question |
| 12:25.49 | Maxdamantus | abrotman, where's sources.list? |
| 12:26.16 | abrotman | /etc/apt/ |
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| 12:26.47 | mib_uaixlx | some months ago I found a bot here that could help me . can you reintroduce it? |
| 12:26.47 | felipe | mikeyjk: you didn't ask anything on ##c, did you? I can't see it. |
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| 12:27.23 | abrotman | mib_uaixlx: with what problem? |
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| 12:27.29 | Maxdamantus | Bleh, pastebin.com's spam filter blocks it. |
| 12:27.37 | abrotman | Maxdamantus: paste.debian.net |
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| 12:27.47 | Maxdamantus | http://pastie.org/429785 too late |
| 12:27.56 | felipe | wm4: some of them anyway. :P |
| 12:28.03 | mib_uaixlx | abrotman , i want to play with it . can you introduce it? |
| 12:28.12 | wm4 | felipe: what? |
| 12:28.24 | abrotman | mib_uaixlx: it'snot for playing |
| 12:28.25 | felipe | wm4: elitist pricks :) |
| 12:28.42 | lesouvage | Just did a net install for a new basic system. The source code of the kernel aren't installed yet while I need them. How do I install the source code of the kernel? |
| 12:28.48 | abrotman | Maxdamantus: did you do `aptitude update` before trying to install ? |
| 12:28.55 | abrotman | !tell Maxdamantus about etch->lenny |
| 12:29.00 | Maxdamantus | Nope. I guess I'll do that. |
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| 12:29.04 | wm4 | felipe: ah... I think they're overplaying it a bit sometimes |
| 12:29.07 | abrotman | lesouvage: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 12:29.10 | Maxdamantus | Wait, what does that do? Install everything that can be updated? |
| 12:29.32 | felipe | wm4: I agree, and it's a shame |
| 12:29.32 | abrotman | Maxdamantus: lenny was released about 5-6 weeks ago .. etch is now oldstable |
| 12:29.51 | abrotman | Maxdamantus: if you do an aptitude upgrade, it refreshes the database of available packages |
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| 12:29.58 | abrotman | based on your sources.list |
| 12:29.58 | Maxdamantus | Meh, well I won't do that. It's actually a friend's setup, and he's not on right now. |
| 12:30.02 | lesouvage | abrotman: this are the packages I have to install using apt-get? |
| 12:30.06 | Maxdamantus | Oh. |
| 12:30.08 | spacepluk | I'm trying to install kde4 from experimental on squeeze/sid but dependencies "are not going to be installed". Should I install them manually? |
| 12:30.13 | Maxdamantus | So won't change the whole system? |
| 12:30.22 | abrotman | lesouvage: if you want to, they're availabile |
| 12:30.41 | abrotman | Maxdamantus: the "etch->lenny" would update the whole system .. just aptitude update should not |
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| 12:30.50 | abrotman | spacepluk: #debian-kde |
| 12:31.08 | Maxdamantus | Mk. |
| 12:31.11 | spacepluk | abrotman: thanks, I was not aware of that channel |
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| 12:31.25 | Maxdamantus | Although I do still have that pam problem. |
| 12:31.28 | raphi | how can I increase the writebuffer of a usb-device? Can I do it through the FS, the controller, the IO-scheduler, etc? |
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| 12:31.42 | valdyn | raphi: not at all |
| 12:31.53 | abrotman | Maxdamantus: but based on your error .. someone was referencing lenny, and then tried to change back to etch |
| 12:32.09 | valdyn | raphi: what do you think that would accomplish? |
| 12:32.12 | vanksi | i it possible to use default locales for different users? |
| 12:32.16 | kronic | I've got an issue where tmp fills up over time, iceweasel is the main indicator with orbit producing an error each time I start iceweasel |
| 12:32.23 | Maxdamantus | Hmm.. Dunno. |
| 12:32.39 | abrotman | Maxdamantus: paste the command you're using and all the output in a pastebin .. and also `apt-cache policy libpam0g` |
| 12:32.52 | Maxdamantus | is just trying to install ss5, and it *requires* pam for some very odd reason (not planning on using it and can't find a disable switch) |
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| 12:34.33 | raphi | valdyn: Isn't there any cache in the RAM that I can modify? |
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| 12:34.37 | Maxdamantus | http://paste.debian.net/31761/ |
| 12:34.50 | raphi | valdyn: I want to decrease the number of write-accesses to a flash-device.. |
| 12:35.17 | valdyn | raphi: usign ext3? |
| 12:35.21 | raphi | ext2 |
| 12:35.53 | abrotman | Maxdamantus: apt-cache policy && apt-cache policy libpam0g-dev |
| 12:36.08 | abrotman | Maxdamantus: though it looks like the box is halfway to 'lenny' |
| 12:36.09 | valdyn | raphi: you cant minimize then, its already minimum |
| 12:36.33 | raphi | valdyn: ok, thanks! |
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| 12:36.52 | wm4 | raphi: if you don't already, use noatime |
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| 12:37.11 | raphi | wm4: I'm also using that one :-D |
| 12:37.35 | Maxdamantus | http://paste.debian.net/31762/ |
| 12:37.48 | valdyn | oh yea, noatime.. |
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| 12:39.44 | raphi | I've also put some temporary dirs to a ramdisk.. But I have some stuff that writes to the disk very often, and it needs to be persistent... I'll try with some bootscripts to make another ramdisk at bootup and put it back to disk on a shutdown... |
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| 12:40.18 | valdyn | raphi: btw, caching does not reduce writes |
| 12:40.42 | abrotman | Maxdamantus: somehow, you got a package from lenny onto etch .. you can try to downgrade it(not supported really) or upgrade the whole box to lenny |
| 12:40.59 | raphi | valdyn: even not if I write 4 times to a file and then flush? |
| 12:41.03 | Maxdamantus | Meh, I'll try finding another socks server. |
| 12:41.07 | abrotman | Maxdamantus: you could use aptitude interactively to try to downgrade it, but apt* doesn't really support that |
| 12:41.30 | abrotman | Maxdamantus: this box is going to have issues installing software .. mixing versions of debian isn't a good plan for stability |
| 12:41.31 | Maxdamantus | Dunno wth it wants pam unoptionally.. It should only really need it if you want it. |
| 12:41.58 | Maxdamantus | Yeah, I'll talk to the guy when he's on. |
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| 12:44.48 | blindy | how can i rename all files containing "_[xxxxxxxx]"? x being alphanumerical. |
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| 12:45.34 | wm4 | blindy: there's the rename utility, which uses perl rexeps |
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| 12:50.40 | zer0c00l | when i tried to start hal in debian it says "please start dbus" and i tried to start dbus it asys "Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing" |
| 12:50.45 | Nibbler | hello guys , whats the best method to "Synchronize" 2 discs.. all the time ? |
| 12:50.49 | zer0c00l | how can i enable these services |
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| 12:52.32 | abrotman | Nibbler: what do you mean all the time? |
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| 12:53.04 | bullgard4 | !seen enouf |
| 12:53.04 | dpkg | enouf is currently on #debian, last said: 'well .. that certainly didn't work ... sigh'. |
| 12:53.43 | wm4 | is there a good backup resolution for debian? something that takes a list of file (patterns) to backup and packs and copies them somewhere? |
| 12:53.49 | Nibbler | the thing is , we have some project now.. we have 1 TB harddrivers 2x, and we have it on one disc currently... but we wanna "synchronize it to disc 2," as long as we keep working and than one day when we finish it we wanna give each disc to another person.. |
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| 12:54.13 | wm4 | Nibbler: rsync |
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| 12:54.33 | Nibbler | i thougt about that but i also thougt it was supposed to serve network-syncs.. |
| 12:54.51 | wm4 | it can do that locally too... or you simply use cp |
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| 12:55.04 | Nibbler | kk i c :-) thanks.. |
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| 12:55.27 | wm4 | or use svn if the files are small |
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| 12:56.15 | Nibbler | we have also linux.iso files on it.. |
| 12:56.28 | Nibbler | so the max size is 4 gb |
| 12:56.30 | wm4 | oh... then not |
| 12:56.40 | zer0c00l | why the dbus service is keep failing :( |
| 12:57.01 | wm4 | zer0c00l: why do you want to start it manually? |
| 12:57.23 | zer0c00l | wm4: i tried to start it at the boot time |
| 12:57.34 | zer0c00l | it fails at the boot up |
| 12:58.14 | zer0c00l | dbus,avahi,hal mostly all services failed to start :( |
| 12:58.26 | enouf | bullgard4: that comment from me you saw from triggering the !seen action is referring to a crontab that never ran ... |
| 12:58.32 | enouf | heh |
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| 12:58.57 | mne | Hi. Yesterday I accidentally deleted the MBR of my harddisk so that the partition table was gone. I used gpart to find the lost partitions and used that information to recreate my partition table. Unfortunately, for the most important reiserfs partition, the start of the partition seems to be correct but the end is not. reiserfsck tells me that according to the superblock the partition should be bigger. Do you guys know how I can somehow use the reiserfs supe |
| 12:58.57 | mne | rblock information to determine the correct end of the partition ? |
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| 12:59.34 | enouf | zer0c00l: either your missing many things or you instlalled incorrectly or .. you're not running debian |
| 12:59.53 | zer0c00l | enouf: should i reinstall it? |
| 13:00.23 | zer0c00l | enouf: any way to recover ? |
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| 13:01.03 | zer0c00l | enouf: its keep saying "Fake start-stop-daemon called,doing nothing" |
| 13:01.10 | wm4 | zer0c00l: nobody knows what's wrong with your system, so nobody can answer that, I guess |
| 13:01.21 | zer0c00l | yes |
| 13:01.35 | mne | is there a way to print out all the information in the reiserfs superblock ? |
| 13:01.39 | zer0c00l | what i did it just reinstalled the grub |
| 13:03.41 | enouf | zer0c00l: too few specifics given for me to assess properly - that sounds like either a /etc/init.d/scriptname is failing or similar - is that a XEN domX, or VMware or something? |
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| 13:03.48 | clancy | hi |
| 13:03.56 | clancy | 2 questions about debian: |
| 13:04.33 | zer0c00l | enouf: /etc/init.d/scriptname is failing |
| 13:04.39 | clancy | i read debian is really conservativ, which is good, but is pidgin for example updated when there where protocol updates done by msn or icq? |
| 13:04.40 | zer0c00l | no Xen or vmware |
| 13:04.52 | abrotman | judd: versions pidgin |
| 13:04.52 | judd | abrotman: pidgin -- lenny: 2.4.3-4 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 sid: 2.5.5-1 squeeze: 2.5.5-1 |
| 13:05.19 | valdyn | clancy: appearantly via lenny-volatile |
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| 13:05.41 | enouf | zer0c00l: which one? which Debian release? which kernel? did it ever work correctly? (please answer _all_) |
| 13:06.09 | valdyn | clancy: but that still follows debians policy, so the version string is 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 while the protocol should be from a 2.5.x branch |
| 13:06.13 | dimsuz | hello guys! any hints why I might have no sound output? all configured, nothing muted, program plays, but no sound from speakers... |
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| 13:06.38 | enouf | mne: reiserfsprogs/tools has tools that should be able to help |
| 13:06.50 | dimsuz | how to diagnose this? /var/log/messages contains no "grep audio" or "grep alsa" output |
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| 13:06.55 | clancy | valdyn, so important stuff like this or new openoffice filters which can import new ms office files for example are updatet? |
| 13:07.25 | zer0c00l | kernel 2.6.26-1-686, debian 5.0 lenny, yes it worked before i reinstalled grub, i installed "chkconfig" package and using service command to start services |
| 13:07.35 | wm4 | dimsuz: reconfirm with alsamixer, check if you plugged in the sound cable correctly |
| 13:07.36 | valdyn | clancy: debian just guarantees to follow its policy, everything else is icing on the cake, no guarantees for all i know |
| 13:07.36 | enouf | dimsuz: remove grep from the search string |
| 13:07.41 | enouf | dimsuz: and use -i |
| 13:07.53 | dimsuz | wm4: did that. all seems to be okay |
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| 13:08.05 | valdyn | clancy: in a year its possible that backporting pidgin gets to hard |
| 13:08.18 | dimsuz | enouf: i put it wrongly. what i meant is that i grepped messages for those strings |
| 13:08.27 | enouf | dimsuz: i also note; i've never found any useful "audio" or soundcard info in dmesg/etc |
| 13:08.32 | valdyn | clancy: iceweasel 3 for instance we never backported to etch because that involves to much |
| 13:08.47 | wm4 | clancy: I gave up on debian stable or testing, I'm using unstable, and stuff alternates between working fine and being broken |
| 13:08.50 | valdyn | clancy: iceweasel 3 for instance *was* never backported to etch because that involves to much |
| 13:09.01 | valdyn | clancy: not "we", im not a debian developer |
| 13:09.06 | mariuspanajr | Hi all. Could someone point me in the right direction with the following. I migrated to an lvm2 luks encryption scheme and during boot the system fails to mount root (something about cannot find vg00) .. I have booted into a livecd rescue but am unable to mount the encrypted / partition as I get this error (Command failed: No key available with this passphrase.) Any ideas? |
| 13:10.04 | valdyn | clancy: in most cases theres reasonable ways to get "bleeding edge" of what you really need for debian/stable |
| 13:10.33 | clancy | i see iceweasel is 3.0.6, the newest firefox is 3.0.8 |
| 13:10.44 | valdyn | clancy: i was talking about etch, not lenny |
| 13:10.54 | valdyn | !versions iceweasel lenny |
| 13:10.57 | valdyn | judd: versions iceweasel lenny |
| 13:10.59 | judd | valdyn: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.17-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.7-1 squeeze: 3.0.7-1 |
| 13:11.34 | clancy | so there won't be iceweasel updates in lenny/stable |
| 13:11.45 | abrotman | clancy: for security there will be |
| 13:11.47 | valdyn | clancy: who said there wont be? |
| 13:11.48 | neoice | anyone knows what it means if grub starts loading stage2 and then just hard resets? |
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| 13:12.27 | valdyn | clancy: debians policy allows integrating security fixes into something like: 3.0.6-1etch0 |
| 13:12.39 | valdyn | clancy: which could in theory equal upstream 3.0.8 |
| 13:12.44 | clancy | i asked because iceweasel is still 3.0.6 |
| 13:12.49 | clancy | ah ok |
| 13:13.07 | abrotman | and IIRC .. FF hasn't released .8 yet |
| 13:13.28 | enouf | neoice: bad/old/weak PSU? |
| 13:13.29 | valdyn | clancy: i dont know the changes between 3.0.6 upstream and 3.0.6-1 in debian and 3.0.8 upstream |
| 13:13.44 | clancy | on a ubuntu machine a have 3.0.8, from the official security updates |
| 13:14.19 | abrotman | thought his win32 box at work just got a .8 beta yesterday .. oh well |
| 13:14.20 | enouf | neoice: although the POST should catch it, the HDDs won't draw much power till needed .. but something else could be wrong |
| 13:14.33 | maligor | clancy, might be pre-release |
| 13:14.34 | valdyn | clancy: ubuntu has a different policy |
| 13:14.47 | neoice | enouf: it was working previously and it's almost certainly a software issue. I had some "problems" with GPT |
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| 13:14.57 | enouf | oh dear |
| 13:15.02 | maligor | yes, ubuntu is under mozilla's iron heel :P |
| 13:15.07 | clancy | http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/firefox/ |
| 13:15.12 | valdyn | clancy: theres no point in talking about minor version number differences, because they tell you nothing about the factual difference |
| 13:15.26 | enouf | tried grub2 = grub-efi/whatever the GPT pkg is? |
| 13:15.47 | clancy | valdyn, ok, but does debian update its iceweasel when i new firefox comes out? |
| 13:16.02 | valdyn | clancy: yes/no |
| 13:16.11 | enouf | clancy: firepoop itself isn't even worth discussing :-P |
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| 13:16.23 | valdyn | clancy: not in lenny/stable, yes in backports.org or lenny-volatile |
| 13:17.01 | valdyn | clancy: debian guarantees stability, it does not guarantee up to date |
| 13:17.02 | enouf | valdyn: is lenny-volatile still same as etch in the sense it's meant for clamav and such? |
| 13:17.22 | valdyn | enouf: i just saw pidgin in there too |
| 13:17.28 | enouf | debian doesn't guarantee anything - AFAIK |
| 13:17.36 | enouf | ok |
| 13:17.36 | clancy | valdyn, everybody says they also care for security |
| 13:17.37 | valdyn | enouf: yea, true |
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| 13:17.54 | valdyn | i mean to the extent an entity such as debian can guartantee anything |
| 13:17.59 | mib_iofk5v | hello, can someone paste a working sources.list for debian lenny? |
| 13:18.06 | valdyn | youre not paying and theres no insureance, sure |
| 13:18.11 | stew | dpkg: tell mib_iofk5v about sources.lis |
| 13:18.15 | abrotman | mib_iofk5v: what's wrong with yours ? |
| 13:18.20 | stew | dpkg: tell mib_iofk5v about sources.list |
| 13:18.31 | stew | damn, my t key is going now too |
| 13:18.47 | mib_iofk5v | abrotman: when i installed an iso ( a friend gave me caliming it to be lenny ) the default sources.list had volatile in it.. is that normal ? |
| 13:18.49 | valdyn | clancy: "care for" isnt the same as what i mean with "guarantee" |
| 13:18.56 | enouf | clancy: and debian can find/attack/fix bugs much faster than mozillapoop - not that it will in all situations, but to have to wait for an update from upstream is nonsense - might as well trust in Redmond too |
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| 13:19.15 | abrotman | mib_iofk5v: supposedly, though i don't think i've personally seen it |
| 13:19.24 | wm4 | enouf: lol did the debian security team get better? |
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| 13:19.37 | mib_iofk5v | abrotman: i disabled it, and added lenny repos then |
| 13:19.55 | enouf | wm4: no idea, but the code it available to be altered as/when needed |
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| 13:20.26 | wm4 | enouf: last when I checked the security team didn't have a good reputation |
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| 13:21.07 | enouf | it seems people just want to argue today ... so far as i've been present .. anyways - not for me atm |
| 13:21.21 | abrotman | then don't participate |
| 13:21.31 | stew | enouf: no they don't |
| 13:21.35 | enouf | wm4: fine - harbor your opinions, hold them dear |
| 13:21.39 | wm4 | enouf: it's not about arguing, it's about whether you should rely on them |
| 13:21.48 | wm4 | s/should/can/ |
| 13:21.49 | enouf | stew: they? |
| 13:22.00 | enouf | abrotman: hush hon |
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| 13:22.52 | enouf | wm4: rely? .. hrm ... i don't think i rely on much in life - i certainly never rely on software .. and certainly not most people |
| 13:23.01 | stew | wm4: for things like iceweasel/firefox in stable, your options can often be the debien security team or remove it completely |
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| 13:23.37 | stew | wm4: since, for instance, this whole iceweasel thing started when mozilla told us we weren' allowed to provide security updates for old versions |
| 13:24.34 | wm4 | well, it's not like Mozilla's policy would make sense, but ok |
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| 13:25.33 | Trewas | that's not really what mozilla told debian |
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| 13:26.00 | valdyn | Trewas: no? |
| 13:26.16 | stew | Trewas: it is |
| 13:26.38 | Trewas | no, but if debian had agreed to mozilla's rules it could have been the end result |
| 13:26.56 | enouf | DFSG won't allow that, afaik |
| 13:26.58 | Trewas | so not completely untrue :) |
| 13:27.39 | stew | Trewas: how would debian have agreed to the rules? by moving firefox to non-free then giving up on stable releases? |
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| 13:28.15 | Trewas | stew: by using the stupid icon with their non-free license? sure that's not DFSG-free but that's only one icon |
| 13:28.28 | stew | Trewas: yeah, well debian without the dfsg is no longer debian |
| 13:28.39 | abrotman | Trewas: there were two parts to the rename .. the artwork and the security updates |
| 13:28.43 | stew | and debian without the concept of a stable release is also not debian |
| 13:29.01 | valdyn | non-free needs to be supportable too by the security team |
| 13:29.14 | Trewas | abrotman: other distributions seem to be doing fine with mozilla's security update etc rules |
| 13:29.32 | valdyn | Trewas: those rules dont apply to other distributions |
| 13:29.40 | abrotman | Trewas: AFAIK .. most just update to the most recent version instead of backporting |
| 13:29.42 | enouf | and your honda might run better than his toyota - so what? |
| 13:29.55 | Trewas | valdyn: what rules? DFSG? |
| 13:30.04 | stew | Trewas: yeah, becuase mozilla hasn't told ubuntu to stop distributing firefox, who knows why, but they seem to be singling out debian |
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| 13:30.14 | Trewas | stew: bullshit |
| 13:30.19 | valdyn | Trewas: no, mozilla coming and complaining and demanding |
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| 13:30.49 | stew | Trewas: ok, then why hasn't mozilla asked ubuntu to stop? |
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| 13:31.23 | Trewas | sheesh, all they wanted that if you use firefox name, you also use their icons and only provide firefox with patches they allow |
| 13:31.52 | valdyn | Trewas: "all" |
| 13:31.52 | stew | Trewas: right, so move firefox to non-free and leave it be vulnerable to security problems that come up |
| 13:32.07 | enouf | ask the kernel devs to adopt the same compliance .. they'll laugh you out of the house |
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| 13:32.42 | Trewas | stew: has there been even one instance when debian had patched some firefox security problem vefore there was official new release? |
| 13:32.54 | valdyn | Trewas: lots |
| 13:33.21 | valdyn | Trewas: every fix that debian applied to iceweasel 2.x after mozilla terminated supporting it |
| 13:33.23 | stew | Trewas: plenty of times that debian has patched security problems in OLD versions of firefox that mozilla no longer supports |
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| 13:33.28 | hareldvd | where can I get vmware-player deb package file from?? |
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| 13:33.36 | Trewas | stew: well that's true :) |
| 13:33.53 | enouf | !+tell hareldvd -about vmware |
| 13:33.54 | dpkg | told hareldvd about vmware. |
| 13:34.40 | stew | Trewas: they want us to push new versions into stable. which, for etch, would have also meant upgrading all of gtk |
| 13:34.40 | enouf | !+tell hareldvd -about search |
| 13:34.40 | dpkg | told hareldvd about search. |
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| 13:34.50 | Trewas | stew: they would have probably agreed that debian patches ancient verions, if debian hand't stopped discussions because of the firefox icon |
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| 13:34.57 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 13:35.18 | stew | Trewas: no. it came up, they specifically said no |
| 13:35.27 | man_in_shack | i want to add a dns server to resolv.conf after dhclient sets it up with values from the dhcp server |
| 13:35.32 | man_in_shack | is there an easy way to do this?' |
| 13:35.33 | mythomaniac | there is a strange thing that has been happing to my system ever since i started using lenny, though now i am using squeeze, and that is every time i reboot i get a kernel panic - often i get strings of them, reboot - kernel crash, reboot kernel crash ect. for up to like 8 times in a row - anyone know how i can elevate this problem? |
| 13:35.43 | enouf | 'ancient' is a slight on the "stable" release? |
| 13:35.50 | kunal | could i run xp with being online on VM ware? |
| 13:35.52 | valdyn | mythomaniac: is resolvconf installed? |
| 13:36.03 | mythomaniac | valdyn, let me look |
| 13:36.06 | man_in_shack | enouf, it's a valid label for oldstable at least ;) |
| 13:36.13 | man_in_shack | valid label for woody or sarge |
| 13:36.22 | enouf | man_in_shack: hence the name; OLDstable :-P |
| 13:36.28 | man_in_shack | :) |
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| 13:36.45 | asg | man_in_shack: check the dhclient.conf manpage, you should be able to add or override dns servers and other options. |
| 13:36.51 | cydork | !tell man_in_shack -about |
| 13:36.57 | valdyn | mythomaniac: you can also check the first line in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 13:37.28 | cydork | !tell man_in_shack -about Applications |
| 13:37.28 | cydork | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.28 | cydork | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.28 | cydork | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:37.28 | mythomaniac | valdyn, no resolvconf is not installed |
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| 13:37.42 | man_in_shack | lol |
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| 13:38.03 | valdyn | mythomaniac: install it |
| 13:38.07 | cydork | sorry for that.. |
| 13:38.09 | mythomaniac | valdyn, i'll install it and restart |
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| 13:38.40 | cydork | stupid middle click.. |
| 13:38.42 | valdyn | mythomaniac: and edit files in /etc/resolvconf/resolvconf.conf.d to your liking |
| 13:38.50 | valdyn | mythomaniac: why restart? |
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| 13:39.02 | mythomaniac | valdyn, to test it ;) |
| 13:39.09 | Trewas | enouf: hehe, well debian release might not be ancient but some programs advance so fast that their version in debian stable becomes quite ancient |
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| 13:39.29 | cydork | mythomaniac: or you can check /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 13:39.31 | valdyn | mythomaniac: ifdown <iface> && ifup <iface> would suffice |
| 13:39.47 | valdyn | !fixresolvconf |
| 13:39.48 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use resolvconf and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>. |
| 13:40.33 | man_in_shack | ah valdyn, that helps me :) |
| 13:40.38 | mythomaniac | valdyn, there is nothing in /etc/resolvconf/resolvconf.conf.d ? |
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| 13:41.17 | valdyn | mythomaniac: so you removed that? |
| 13:41.18 | dirkson | Hello all. What's the package for flash? |
| 13:41.29 | valdyn | mythomaniac: base and head are in there, from the package resolvconf |
| 13:41.48 | mythomaniac | valdyn, no i didn't remove anything |
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| 13:42.04 | valdyn | mythomaniac: maybe the admin did then? |
| 13:42.20 | mythomaniac | valdyn, i'm admin ;) |
| 13:42.25 | valdyn | mythomaniac: dpkg -L resolvconf | grep resolv.conf.d |
| 13:42.40 | man_in_shack | awesome |
| 13:43.00 | mythomaniac | valdyn, ah yeah head and base are there |
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| 13:43.19 | man_in_shack | valdyn, thanks to that dpkg snippet, i've got my additional dns resolvers configued :) |
| 13:43.23 | man_in_shack | waddles off |
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| 13:43.40 | valdyn | manu_hack: welcome |
| 13:43.47 | valdyn | gah |
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| 13:45.37 | enouf | Trewas: those 'some programs' may also depend on other software being their latest versions as well .. that's where the real issues come in (negating all the dfsg stuffs) |
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| 13:46.05 | dirkson | .... Am I correct in stating that debian removed FLASH from the repositories? |
| 13:46.15 | valdyn | dirkson: no |
| 13:46.23 | valdyn | dirkson: its still on sid |
| 13:46.28 | mythomaniac | valdyn, thanks man |
| 13:46.32 | valdyn | dirkson: you can use that one |
| 13:46.40 | dirkson | valdyn: ... Well, that doesn't really do me much good, does it? I'm on squeeze. |
| 13:47.09 | stew | dirkson: debian has 2 free flash implementations, those are there. debian was never distributing the non-free flash. there is a non-free flash installer, but not in testing/stable, since it becomes obsolete too fast |
| 13:47.16 | enouf | cydork: you flooded so as to get kicked? lmao ... tsk tsk .. (i've actually done that inadvertantlt on very rare occassions though :-P) |
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| 13:47.20 | valdyn | !pdo |
| 13:47.20 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 13:47.32 | valdyn | dirkson: visit ^^^ , get the deb file, dpkg -i it |
| 13:47.40 | dirkson | valdyn: Alrighty. |
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| 13:48.39 | mythomaniac | dirkson, if you really want to use flash, d/l from adobe extract the lib*.so file and put it in ~/.mozilla/plugins - that is assuming your using mozilla based browser |
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| 13:49.17 | abrotman | wonders why if volatile seems to be enabled by default, they didn't drop flash in there |
| 13:49.26 | Trewas | enouf: sure... btw for the overall discussion I commented because the point so far seemed to be that mozilla is the bad guy, they singled out debian and prevented debian from using firefox name, which is utterly bullshit |
| 13:49.29 | valdyn | flash is unsupportable |
| 13:49.34 | valdyn | i think that was the reason |
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| 13:50.03 | valdyn | or one of the reasons |
| 13:50.06 | enouf | Trewas: yeah ..living/doing/acting according to rules/laws sometimes sucks ass eh? |
| 13:50.17 | enouf | ;-0 |
| 13:50.23 | Trewas | enouf: yeah, life sucks :) |
| 13:50.25 | mythomaniac | lol enouf |
| 13:50.30 | valdyn | Trewas: what does morality have to do with any of this? |
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| 13:50.54 | jafn | hi all |
| 13:50.59 | enouf | law/rules != morals (IMHO) |
| 13:51.02 | valdyn | just rms would invoke that.. |
| 13:51.09 | enouf | heh |
| 13:51.15 | datag | i need to contact the package-maintainers (pkg-games), is there another channel for this? |
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| 13:51.25 | dirkson | There's theory, and there's practice. In theory, adobe won't provide anything buy a binary blob, so we should shun them as a horrible security risk. In practice, if you want to be able to use the internet, you need a recent version of flash. For most people pragmatism>idealism. |
| 13:51.27 | Trewas | valdyn: what morality? just pointing out that mozilla is not theonly one to blame |
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| 13:51.38 | enouf | although many laws are passed designed to enforce certain moral standards .. ugh |
| 13:51.38 | jafn | why my debian server shutdown when it runs the root cron /usr/bin/mplayer -nosound /home/jafn/desktop/tes.wmv |
| 13:51.41 | timbba | Does anyone know how to get iwl3945 working on Lenny? |
| 13:51.45 | valdyn | Trewas: this isnt about blame at all |
| 13:51.59 | liable | timbba: did you install firmware? |
| 13:51.59 | valdyn | Trewas: its only about imposing restricutions that debian cannot follow |
| 13:51.59 | jafn | when the video ends the server shutdown any ideas?? |
| 13:52.03 | abrotman | !tell timbba about iwlwifi |
| 13:52.03 | mythomaniac | i always felt that the idea behind debian was about a moral philosophy, and the moral execution of that philosophy as the foundation of creating a gnu/linux valdyn? |
| 13:52.05 | timbba | yes i did |
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| 13:52.15 | Trewas | valdyn: which debian could have followed, if they wanted |
| 13:52.17 | timbba | yes i did install firmware |
| 13:52.19 | Silver | i would like to install grub2 from svn... should I remove grub-pc deb pkg first or update the package entirely? |
| 13:52.23 | enouf | jafn: wow - odd - all that happens here is my crontab doesn't work ... |
| 13:52.26 | valdyn | mythomaniac: im not debian, the dfsg is not a moral code, its a law |
| 13:52.32 | stew | Trewas: no, debian couldn't follow |
| 13:52.42 | jafn | how come? |
| 13:52.47 | Trewas | valdyn: it's not like they wanted debian to sacrifice their firstborn son or something which comes to morality |
| 13:52.49 | valdyn | mythomaniac: law can be motivated by law, but law is not moral at all |
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| 13:52.55 | liable | timbba: did you install the deb package, or the firmware from intel site? |
| 13:52.57 | valdyn | mythomaniac: law can be motivated by morality, but law is not moral at all |
| 13:53.06 | mythomaniac | valdyn, good point |
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| 13:53.13 | enouf | timbba: seen http://wiki.debian.org/ipw3945 ? |
| 13:53.31 | valdyn | Trewas: no, they demanded debian to change constitution for a single of 25k packages |
| 13:53.38 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 13:53.38 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 13:53.39 | timbba | I installed firmware from non-free |
| 13:53.41 | Trewas | valdyn: dfsg is debian free software guidelines, it's a guideline |
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| 13:53.57 | Trewas | valdyn: not a law |
| 13:54.01 | stew | Trewas: and note, at the time that they asked debian to stop, ubuntu was taking the debian diff, and changing an aditional 40 or so files, but for some reason, they don't ask ubuntu to stop changing firefox, which does make it seem like debian was being singled out |
| 13:54.06 | stew | Trewas: its a law in debian |
| 13:54.08 | abrotman | Trewas: and then where does it end? we just abandon the entire DFSG because people whine ? |
| 13:54.10 | valdyn | Trewas: its a law *for* debian, its binding, its not a guideline |
| 13:54.13 | HSNews | People, how to Install Debian 5.0 to USB flash? |
| 13:54.13 | timbba | My problem on iwl3945 is "mismatch in privacy configuration and mixed-cell disabled - abort association" |
| 13:54.14 | enouf | timbba: and/or http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 13:54.30 | timbba | ho help from wiki |
| 13:54.35 | valdyn | Trewas: so violations are rc bugs. |
| 13:54.49 | abrotman | timbba: did you look in dmesg for error messages? |
| 13:54.56 | Trewas | stew: because ubuntu was, and is, willing to work with mozilla |
| 13:54.58 | wm4 | my kernel outputs this, is it a problem when I live in Europe?: cfg80211: Calling CRDA for country: US |
| 13:55.03 | stew | Trewas: how do you know this? |
| 13:55.06 | HSNews | People, how to Install Debian 5.0 to USB flash? |
| 13:55.10 | enouf | timbba: sorrry, i suck at WiFi related issues - though that almost sounds WEP or wpasupplicant related? |
| 13:55.13 | mythomaniac | Trewas, ubuntu - blah |
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| 13:55.32 | timbba | yeah.. the error is that "mismatch...." |
| 13:55.38 | enouf | timbba: /msg dpkg wpasupplicant ? |
| 13:55.41 | _thebig3 | !ciao |
| 13:55.41 | dpkg | somebody said ciao was both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter. |
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| 13:55.51 | enouf | !aloha |
| 13:56.11 | enouf | HSNews: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 13:56.11 | valdyn | Trewas: the difference is that ubuntu works like a commercial entity where demand drives the distro, debian does not work like that. |
| 13:56.17 | Trewas | stew: I have been following from the sidelines and I know there is constant discussions going between canonical and mozilla |
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| 13:56.27 | HSNews | enouf: thanks! |
| 13:56.34 | timbba | so should I try to use ipw3945... is that iwl3945 broken? |
| 13:56.49 | enouf | timbba: which debian release? |
| 13:56.53 | timbba | lenny |
| 13:57.10 | stew | anyway, the idea that debian should remove firefox from debian just to be able to use the firefox trademark is definately not doing good service to our users |
| 13:57.14 | _thebig3 | !ciao |
| 13:57.14 | dpkg | methinks ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter. |
| 13:57.21 | enouf | timbba: from the 1st URL wiki "Note: Since 2.6.24, the new module iwl3945 supersedes ipw3945. This module was merged from the iwlwifi project and does not require a binary regulatory daemon. * ipw3945 is not supported in Debian Lenny and Unstable (see switching to iwlwifi)." |
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| 13:59.16 | Silver | instead of using the name iceweasle why not just use FFox and some better logos. /end of story |
| 13:59.25 | HSNews | enouf: dpkg: need an action option |
| 13:59.36 | HSNews | something wrong |
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| 13:59.52 | valdyn | Silver: firefox is trademarked too |
| 14:00.01 | Silver | FFox |
| 14:00.08 | valdyn | Silver: oh |
| 14:00.13 | valdyn | Silver: i wonder if that would work |
| 14:00.16 | Silver | ;) |
| 14:00.32 | valdyn | Silver: probably not |
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| 14:00.52 | valdyn | Silver: i know that abbibbas does not work legally |
| 14:00.52 | xingu | valdyn: failfox would come under fair use (parody) provisions |
| 14:00.53 | wm4 | I don't care about names or logos |
| 14:01.03 | wm4 | who would? |
| 14:01.03 | valdyn | xingu: hehe, probably |
| 14:01.27 | enouf | prefers firepoop over failfox |
| 14:01.29 | wm4 | also, Iceweasel is already a good parody on Firefox |
| 14:01.39 | Silver | im not exactly sure. its not really an abreviation but more like an acronym |
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| 14:02.03 | Silver | valdyn: worth looking into i think |
| 14:02.09 | Trewas | enouf: you seem to have some fixation on poop, maybe you should have your head checked ;) |
| 14:02.44 | enouf | Trewas: nah - ... it's just the way life is - a lot of crap .. all over the place |
| 14:02.56 | Trewas | heh |
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| 14:04.07 | enouf | Trewas: as my one offtopic comment for now - google the venus project (just as one alternative way of thinking for cukture/society) |
| 14:04.15 | enouf | culture* |
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| 14:06.40 | abrotman | one? |
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| 14:07.18 | Trewas | that seems seems somehow bioshock inspired |
| 14:07.42 | Trewas | or vise versa |
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| 14:09.54 | enouf | Trewas: 'bio'-anything involves waste (turds) :-P |
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| 14:10.20 | planet8 | What are the default file permissions on www on a fresh debian installation? |
| 14:10.49 | enouf | www-data? |
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| 14:11.28 | planet8 | I mean on the directory /var/www |
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| 14:11.33 | planet8 | 755? |
| 14:11.50 | enouf | mine's old - wait for someone else to answer |
| 14:12.25 | mike_hurley | is there a way to have apt-get upgrade to a certain date and not the absolute latest? Or tell it to update its package lists to a certain date and then upgrade? |
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| 14:12.40 | enouf | as soon as .28 and all surrounding amenities enter unstable i'm going for the 1000+ pkg upgrade |
| 14:12.57 | abrotman | !magic 8-ball |
| 14:12.58 | dpkg | outlook good |
| 14:13.25 | enouf | mike_hurley: date? or versions of pkgs? |
| 14:13.26 | abrotman | planet8: that seems reasonable |
| 14:13.43 | planet8 | abrotman, root.root as I remember right? not www-data |
| 14:13.55 | abrotman | no .. should be www-data |
| 14:14.03 | mike_hurley | i want to upgrade to a known good date of packages, whatever versions those are |
| 14:14.11 | abrotman | planet8: oh .. you're right .. sorry |
| 14:14.11 | planet8 | abrotman, thanks |
| 14:14.24 | planet8 | abrotman, I thought so.. np thanks! |
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| 14:14.37 | enouf | ~$ ls -ld /var/www/ |
| 14:14.38 | enouf | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2008-08-28 17:26 /var/www/ |
| 14:14.46 | enouf | see? told you mine was old :-p |
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| 14:14.55 | planet8 | perfect, thanks! |
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| 14:15.06 | mike_hurley | enouf: i want to upgrade to a known good date of packages, whatever versions those are |
| 14:15.23 | abrotman | mike_hurley: what's wrong with lenny ? |
| 14:15.26 | enouf | mike_hurley: you seem like you want to have mirror snapshots |
| 14:15.53 | enouf | mike_hurley: "known good date" does not compute with me |
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| 14:16.24 | mike_hurley | so this is something i'm trying to do on ubuntu, but i'm trying to ask around in places debian/ubuntu related since i'm using apt-get |
| 14:16.34 | enouf | ... |
| 14:16.47 | mike_hurley | i'm curious if the feature exists is all |
| 14:17.32 | enouf | no idea - i would create/service my own local mirror for what i think you want ... |
| 14:17.42 | abrotman | mike_hurley: then ask #ubuntu |
| 14:18.04 | mike_hurley | i am, but it's not an ubuntu-only question, it's an apt-get question |
| 14:18.10 | abrotman | yes, it is |
| 14:18.12 | mike_hurley | thanks for the help |
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| 14:18.15 | abrotman | this is not a general apt channel |
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| 14:18.34 | enouf | one easy way might be to take the snapshots and burn them to DVD, use apt-cdrom or apt-zip or whatever |
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| 14:20.08 | timbba | Ok, still problems on iwl3945.. maybe it's somehow broken on Lenny.. I can associate to non-encrypted AP, but association fails on WPA2. Error in dmesg is "mismatch in privacy configuration and mixed-cell disabled - abort association" |
| 14:20.42 | jamon | timbba: fine with my ap, check your wpa2 settings on the ap itself |
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| 14:21.22 | timbba | iwl3945 is broken, settings are ok on AP because I can associate on several other computers |
| 14:22.20 | jamon | well don't be so sure, works for me with wpa2personal/tkip+aes |
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| 14:22.32 | zinx | timbba: what program are you using to connect? |
| 14:22.47 | timbba | i'm using wicd.. is that one then broken? |
| 14:22.55 | zinx | probably not |
| 14:23.05 | zinx | you need to configure it though |
| 14:23.05 | abrotman | timbba: did you find any errors in dmesg? what's the error when you try to connecT? |
| 14:23.32 | timbba | I said the error already.. couple of lines upper "mismatch..." |
| 14:23.32 | zinx | abrotman: he gave it ;) "mismatch in privacy configuration and mixed-cell disabled - abort association" |
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| 14:23.59 | abrotman | sounds like a misconfiguratoin ? |
| 14:24.02 | zinx | timbba: there's a little arrow next to the ESSID, which will give some config options |
| 14:24.33 | zinx | make sure it matches your AP's configuration |
| 14:24.59 | timbba | I have checked several times that they are correct.. |
| 14:25.23 | jamon | i would also check in #wicd channel on whatever irc channel they use, since it isn't part of debian |
| 14:25.41 | abrotman | jamon: it's in sid/squeeze |
| 14:25.53 | jamon | really? that surprises me, but cool |
| 14:25.55 | zinx | timbba: are you using IEEE 802.1x? |
| 14:25.59 | abrotman | judd: versions wicd |
| 14:26.07 | judd | abrotman: wicd -- sid: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.9-1 sid: 1.5.9-5 squeeze: 1.5.9-5 |
| 14:26.16 | zinx | jamon: it is part of Debian now, just not in Lenny :P |
| 14:26.19 | abrotman | luckily it's in sid three times ... |
| 14:26.21 | jamon | interesting |
| 14:26.41 | timbba | what do you mean by ieee 802.1x? |
| 14:26.43 | abrotman | stew: /msg judd versions wicd .. why three for sid ? |
| 14:26.50 | zinx | jamon: and the problem is more likely to be with wpa_supplicant or the drivers |
| 14:26.59 | abrotman | including two wrong ones ? |
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| 14:27.25 | jamon | zinx: in squeeze/sid, right, fine in lenny though |
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| 14:27.33 | enouf | dpkg: fix judd |
| 14:27.33 | dpkg | takes judd to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 14:27.39 | enouf | hides |
| 14:27.41 | zinx | timbba: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.1X |
| 14:27.44 | timbba | I have just installed wicd from the apt.wicd.net lenny repository and using default kernel drivers... works on non-encrypted, not on WPA2 |
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| 14:28.19 | maligor | missing wpa_supplicant maybe? |
| 14:28.49 | timbba | no, it is the latest one |
| 14:28.59 | zinx | is 2.6.26 available for Lenny? |
| 14:29.10 | timbba | yes, it is 2.6.26 |
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| 14:29.15 | zinx | timbba: what -is- the WPA2 config on your AP? |
| 14:29.33 | abrotman | does it work if you turn off WPA on the AP ? |
| 14:29.36 | timbba | WPA2-AES passphase |
| 14:29.39 | abrotman | zinx: yes |
| 14:30.24 | timbba | I'm using neighbour's non-encrypted at the moment :)... So I guess mine will work too |
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| 14:30.49 | Rusty1_ | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6-486 << zinx |
| 14:31.05 | timbba | I have another computer which has also Lenny, but zd1211 and it works with WPA2 |
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| 14:31.11 | zinx | timbba: no TTLS/PAP/PEAP/LEAP/etc, right? |
| 14:31.23 | timbba | no |
| 14:31.33 | scrash09 | on openSUSE, mkinitrd uses defaults set in '/etc/sysconfig/bootloader' to generate grub/menu.lst entries. |
| 14:31.33 | scrash09 | does mkinitrd on debian do the same? if yes, what's the default file name/location? |
| 14:31.42 | timbba | I mean right... no TTLS, ... :) |
| 14:31.45 | zinx | timbba: i have a computer using iwl4965 that works with sid (same drivers/etc, i think) :x |
| 14:32.22 | zinx | timbba: what firmware are you using? |
| 14:32.42 | timbba | I'm pretty sure that the problem is on iwl3945, because other computers work and also those one's that have Lenny too |
| 14:32.56 | enouf | scrash09: update-grub .. installing a new (or sometimes when reinstalling an older one) would run mkinitramfs-kpkg - but man update-initramfs |
| 14:33.04 | CoolCold | !volatile |
| 14:33.04 | dpkg | somebody said volatile was a project that aims at keeping the <stable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://volatile.debian.org/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 14:33.08 | timbba | I installed firmware from non-free... was it firmware-iwlwifi or something like that |
| 14:33.22 | zinx | timbba: what version is it? |
| 14:33.33 | enouf | scrash09: wait - "defaultname/location"? of what? |
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| 14:33.48 | CoolCold | ser: see this? |
| 14:33.52 | timbba | 0.14 |
| 14:33.52 | zinx | timbba: hum, looks like Debian's packages are out of date anyway |
| 14:33.56 | zinx | timbba: can you try http://intellinuxwireless.org/iwlwifi/downloads/iwlwifi-3945-ucode-15.28.2.8.tgz ? |
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| 14:34.19 | zinx | (latest official firmware) |
| 14:34.20 | scrash09 | enouf: i'm trying to find -- and avoid -- what overwrites my changes to grub entries after a repo kernel update ... |
| 14:34.22 | timbba | aargh... I really don't want to compile by myself :) |
| 14:34.24 | enouf | scrash09: which grub version? grub2? |
| 14:34.27 | zinx | timbba: you don't have to compile anything |
| 14:34.39 | timbba | oh, really |
| 14:34.48 | enouf | scrash09: in debian see /etc/kernel-img.conf and it's man page |
| 14:34.51 | scrash09 | enouf: whatever's in lenny/sid (yes, i'm a debian noob) ... |
| 14:34.59 | scrash09 | checking ... |
| 14:35.01 | timbba | how does that work then? just copy some files to somewhere? |
| 14:35.09 | zinx | timbba: just remove firmware-iwlwifi then put the iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode from there in /lib/firmware/ |
| 14:35.12 | enouf | tell it to NOT run update-grub .. etc |
| 14:35.26 | zinx | timbba: there's no source for the firmware anyway ;) |
| 14:35.47 | timbba | ok, I'll try that then... I'll get back to you soon |
| 14:36.06 | timbba | I thought that you were talking about drivers, |
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| 14:36.41 | zinx | timbba: it -might- take http://intellinuxwireless.org/iwlwifi/downloads/iwlwifi-3945-ucode-15.28.1.8.tgz instead |
| 14:36.47 | zinx | timbba: not really sure |
| 14:37.16 | zinx | timbba: you can put the iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode from that and the iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode from the other both in /lib/firmware and it won't hurt anything, the drivers will choose the right one |
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| 14:38.18 | timbba | Ok, I'll try.. see you soon |
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| 14:38.30 | valdyn | subopt: ENVVAR=value xterm |
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| 14:38.52 | subopt | valdyn: thx. |
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| 14:42.21 | subopt | valdyn: Actually, i'm trying to set $PS1, so i guess i need to pass the var to the bash shell that the xterm's going to run. How do i do that? |
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| 14:42.43 | module000 | subopt: put it in your local rc or profile |
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| 14:42.56 | icebrain | hi, is there any way to know when bluez is going to be updated to 4.XX? 'cause I can't connect to any phone using my dongle but I've read that the current release corrects it. |
| 14:43.00 | batcoder-7 | how do i add my windows partition to my grub easily? |
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| 14:43.24 | abrotman | batcoder-7: this should be all over google |
| 14:43.29 | timbba | Oh my god.. |
| 14:43.41 | abrotman | timbba: the internet sucks ? |
| 14:43.41 | timbba | Stupid user mistake :) |
| 14:43.59 | batcoder-7 | yea i know |
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| 14:44.11 | timbba | no... internet works :).. no luck with newer firmwares, but.. |
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| 14:44.38 | Lisa____ | Hey there, I'm trying to use the programmiCam2 and it doesn't work. I tried to install it with configure and make and it didn't seem to have any error.. but now when I try to open it, it says it can't open the config file icam2rc.. I don't know why, or how to fix it.. or how to get to know why it's not working. Any chance someone can help? |
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| 14:45.01 | timbba | I had ipw as a driver on wicd and that wasn't working on WPA2 but non-encrypted worked.. I changed to wext and WPA2 works... sorry, my mistake :) |
| 14:45.18 | valdyn | subopt: edit ~/.bashrc |
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| 14:45.37 | jamon | happens timbba, glad it works now :) |
| 14:46.33 | zinx | timbba: :x |
| 14:46.34 | timbba | I'm so ashamed :) |
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| 14:47.03 | jamon | i blame it on wicd and their docs |
| 14:47.05 | timbba | thanks for the help, I appreciate it |
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| 14:47.49 | timbba | I have to go now... million thanks and bye bye :) |
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| 14:48.07 | phillipp | hi all |
| 14:48.11 | wm4 | what for does one need something like wicd? I run my wlan without |
| 14:48.32 | phillipp | i have a routing question concerning freebsd. anyone with good routing experiences here? |
| 14:48.59 | zinx | wm4: some people like to be lazy instead of configuring their wireless manually every time they move their laptop |
| 14:49.19 | wm4 | zinx: oh, Laptops... makes sense |
| 14:49.26 | abrotman | phillipp: this is #debian .. did you try asking #freebsd ? |
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| 14:49.39 | phillipp | cant seem to join freebsd |
| 14:49.45 | Lisa____ | <msg> |
| 14:49.56 | abrotman | phillipp: but #debian has nothing to do with freebsd |
| 14:50.04 | abrotman | Lisa____: uname -a ? |
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| 14:50.18 | abrotman | phillipp: try ##freebsd |
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| 14:51.14 | phillipp | still need to be identified, what ever that means :-( |
| 14:51.19 | Lisa____ | Linux lisbox 2.6.24-23-generic #1 SMP Mon Jan 26 00:13:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:51.34 | abrotman | Lisa____: please go to #ubuntu for help with Ubuntu |
| 14:51.41 | abrotman | phillipp: /msg nickserv help |
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| 14:52.29 | abrotman | johnrw: you came back! |
| 14:53.02 | Lisa____ | aw sorry... thanks anyway and goodbye |
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| 14:53.48 | batcoder-7 | for grub is hd0,0 the first partition ? |
| 14:53.58 | batcoder-7 | and hd0,1 being the second aprtition ? |
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| 14:54.54 | johnrw | abrotman: yup... had to reboot... mplayer trashed the video |
| 14:55.10 | abrotman | ouch |
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| 14:55.35 | senn | hello |
| 14:55.38 | wm4 | johnrw: mplayer did what? |
| 14:55.41 | johnrw | yeah... it wasn't pretty... |
| 14:55.44 | SQlvpapir | In testing I've had the following for a few days.. how do I find out what is holding them back? The following packages have been kept back: fglrx-driver fglrx-glx{a} fglrx-glx-ia32{a} |
| 14:55.52 | senn | i am using a macintosh with gimp |
| 14:56.02 | SQlvpapir | oh dist-upgrade ofc.. totally forgot about that |
| 14:56.06 | senn | gimp to works asks me |
| 14:56.20 | senn | X11 to works what to do ? |
| 14:56.30 | inckie | persuades johnrw to eat the cyanide sandwich |
| 14:56.34 | inckie | throws a keyboard at SQlvpapir |
| 14:56.37 | inckie | oh :D |
| 14:56.40 | SQlvpapir | hej inckie :D |
| 14:56.42 | inckie | sry johnrw |
| 14:56.53 | inckie | HAI |
| 14:57.03 | SQlvpapir | bring me ze luls |
| 14:57.08 | inckie | :P |
| 14:58.27 | abrotman | !tell SQlvpapir about held back |
| 15:00.16 | johnrw | inckie: what the hell? cyanide? |
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| 15:01.49 | HSNews | how to mount usb-flash? |
| 15:02.10 | SQlvpapir | !tell HSNews about mount |
| 15:03.24 | tux-foo | I am a gentoo user switching his server to gentoo (the time for compiling all is just tedious). In gentoo, I was used to have a live cd and then install linux by downloading a stage, extracting it, then chrooting in the new environment and downloading the linux (kernel/modules) source. This to finally compile the kernel, install some stuff (logs, xdiff, vim), configure some stuff (timezone, etc) and then reboot into the minimalistic li |
| 15:03.24 | tux-foo | nux. Is this doable with gentoo also, since it has all sort of cd images of 600meg. |
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| 15:04.00 | jamon | tux-foo: you want the netinstall image for lenny |
| 15:04.02 | tux-foo | I have a fully operational gentoo system running on the same system on a different disk. So I don't need a cd to boot. |
| 15:04.09 | tux-foo | jamon, thanx |
| 15:04.22 | tux-foo | jamon, lenny is stable or not-stable? |
| 15:04.25 | jamon | tux-foo: in that case, look into running debootstrap from your gentoo system |
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| 15:04.34 | jamon | tux-foo: lenny is stable |
| 15:04.37 | tux-foo | kk |
| 15:04.41 | maxxle | Hello! I have a problem on cross-debootstrap. The source-box is a i386 and the target is a cfdisk where i need a debian/arm on. Everything works well but i of corse can't chroot to the debootstrapped partition. |
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| 15:05.25 | JPT | mhh.. i've got a problem that i just cannot understand... |
| 15:05.27 | JPT | http://nopaste.info/27bb5f8bd1_nl.html |
| 15:05.27 | tux-foo | jamon, sure, sure, I already have grub so I can simply add an entry for debian untill it works. |
| 15:06.07 | jamon | tux-foo: yep, and i think you can emerge debootstrap |
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| 15:06.49 | batcoder-7 | if something is /dev/hda3 then it is hd0,2 in grub terms right ?? |
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| 15:07.18 | wm4 | JPT: no idea, but what does stat server_linux output? |
| 15:07.20 | SQlvpapir | yeah grub starts at 0 |
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| 15:07.43 | jamon | batcoder-7: yes, hd0 is your first disk, hd0,0 first partition of first disk |
| 15:08.01 | batcoder-7 | so hd0,2 would be first disk partition 3 right? |
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| 15:08.11 | JPT | wm4: stat says that the file seems to be a regular file... so there are no error messages given |
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| 15:08.47 | JPT | i already assumed that i am unable to execute ELF-Binarys...but the game server, i am already running is an ELF, too... |
| 15:09.09 | JPT | so i just have no idea, why this file is said to be not existing when i try to start it... |
| 15:09.21 | jamon | maxxle: you can boot with an arm livecd |
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| 15:10.36 | maxxle | jamon: umpf.... hm. Maybe you're right. I have one ide left in the arm thin client. Maybe i should try this. |
| 15:10.44 | tux-foo | jamon, what kernel will debootstrap install, and more important how? I want to compile/configure the kernel by hand... |
| 15:11.00 | rhineheart_m | hark and valdyn , are you still there? |
| 15:11.05 | jamon | tux-foo: it won't, you chroot and then use apt-get |
| 15:11.24 | tux-foo | tux-foo, ah, so it is like a stage. |
| 15:11.25 | JPT | http://nopaste.info/0678dcce90_nl.html |
| 15:11.27 | maxxle | jamon: i will give this a try. I hope this works! |
| 15:11.32 | tux-foo | Thank you. |
| 15:11.33 | jamon | good luck maxxle |
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| 15:11.55 | jamon | tux-foo: yeah, it'll be like the end of the gentoo install doc, a base system, with kernel |
| 15:11.57 | tux-foo | and the running system is needed to determine the hardware for installing binairies. |
| 15:12.02 | jamon | ~150 packages |
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| 15:12.16 | jamon | tux-foo: yeah, be sure to mount proc before chrooting |
| 15:12.25 | tux-foo | jamon, sure sure |
| 15:12.26 | tux-foo | Thanks |
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| 15:12.45 | rhineheart_m | anyway.. anybody here who wants to help me in installing audio driver in my debian machine? it' headless and I'm accessing it remotely. I have the output of lspci -n already.. |
| 15:12.53 | tux-foo | so essentially it is better then a stage |
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| 15:13.55 | ma3x | is kde4 in testing? |
| 15:14.47 | DexterF | hi |
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| 15:15.11 | tux-foo | jamon, before chrooting, wouldn;t it be nice to also mount /dev ? |
| 15:15.33 | DexterF | weird problem here. dual boot machine with win xp and debian. had to reinstall win xp, wanted to reinstall grub but in the live cd (backtrack3) I don't see the debian partitions. |
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| 15:15.35 | johndoe | during my disk partitioning i set "reserve 5% for superuser". how do i remove this? |
| 15:15.59 | DexterF | swap is there, but where / is supposed to be there's just 20GB space marked as empty according to cfdisk |
| 15:16.01 | DexterF | wtf? |
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| 15:16.44 | jamon | tux-foo: xure |
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| 15:17.51 | tux-foo | jamon, ^^ |
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| 15:17.57 | jamon | er, sure |
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| 15:22.13 | Ace2017_- | DexterF: do you have a single drive on which both OSs are installed? |
| 15:22.22 | DexterF | Ace2017_-: yes |
| 15:22.31 | Ace2017_- | and by any chance was debian the first partiton on the drive? |
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| 15:23.12 | peleg | Do you know of a method of synchronizing my contacts list on the web, allowing myself (and others) to use it from many other computers? |
| 15:23.22 | DexterF | Ace2017_-: no, sda1 is some stupid recovery partition. its a laptop that came preconfed that way |
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| 15:24.09 | DexterF | sda2=winxp system, sda3=ntfs data (win), then sda5=swap. there should be sda6 but I don't see it |
| 15:24.18 | abrotman | DexterF: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 15:26.57 | ajavid | good morning |
| 15:27.19 | ajavid | peleg, there are free service online that offer that |
| 15:27.29 | jetscreamer | waves |
| 15:27.32 | ajavid | peleg, hit google |
| 15:27.34 | ajavid | wave |
| 15:27.52 | peleg | ajavid, thanks; what exactly should I look for? |
| 15:28.05 | ajavid | I have no idea, but I'm positive I've seen a few sites like that |
| 15:28.18 | ajavid | free contact management, they ask money for more featureful sections of site |
| 15:28.24 | ajavid | but basic is free usually |
| 15:28.48 | ajavid | thats how they sell you or something |
| 15:29.07 | spacepluk | any idea to update bios without having to install windows? |
| 15:29.20 | ajavid | if you want you could google for free php contact management software script etc. and run it on your own server |
| 15:29.31 | ajavid | spacepluk, floppy with bios image on it? |
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| 15:29.48 | ajavid | spacepluk, bootable cd with bios flash utility and the bios image |
| 15:29.48 | ajavid | ? |
| 15:30.01 | spacepluk | I don't have a floppy drive |
| 15:30.02 | jetscreamer | asm! |
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| 15:31.14 | neoice | I know I've had this issue before... I have a few modules I need to unload and a few modules I need to load. I need to do something special to make this persistant. |
| 15:31.23 | spacepluk | I'm looking for a way to make a DOS bootable usb drive, just wondering If someone here has done this before |
| 15:31.29 | jetscreamer | /etc/modules neoice |
| 15:31.33 | DexterF | abrotman: 5 lines... what do you wanna know? its another box, cant really paste |
| 15:31.37 | lethias | Anyone use xen? |
| 15:31.38 | SQlvpapir | and the blacklists |
| 15:32.00 | ajavid | spacepluk, i have not done anything like that from within linux |
| 15:32.15 | jetscreamer | for some reason some upgrade decided i neededan eth2 last night |
| 15:32.18 | neoice | jetscreamer, sqlvpapir: not /etc/modules and they're already on the blacklist. there was something else I needed to do |
| 15:32.34 | jetscreamer | udev.rules got cvhanged somehow |
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| 15:33.07 | jetscreamer | and is it just me or is linux-headers-2.6.29 really fucked up |
| 15:33.19 | SQlvpapir | neoice: like modprobe -r removedmod? |
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| 15:33.30 | neoice | ah! I think its 'update-initramfs' |
| 15:33.37 | jetscreamer | -u |
| 15:33.44 | spacepluk | ajavid: thanks anyway :P |
| 15:34.16 | ajavid | spacepluk, try ##windows and ##linux too as this isn't really debian specific |
| 15:34.21 | DexterF | I have a backup of the MBR. fast way to extract the part table and apply that? |
| 15:34.24 | spacepluk | It's very annoying that HP only provides the flashing utility for windows even when they sell the machine with ubuntu |
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| 15:34.49 | jetscreamer | real men use asm |
| 15:34.54 | wm4 | spacepluk: now that's stupid |
| 15:35.05 | f | what is the progrm to add sources to apt, where you can pick from a list of sources first by conuntry, just like in the inital install |
| 15:35.27 | jetscreamer | afaik they don't provide that after, f |
| 15:35.31 | ajavid | i have a feeling something is up with apt-setup |
| 15:35.36 | ajavid | !apt-setup |
| 15:35.36 | dpkg | apt-setup was a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. apt-setup is no longer available as a .deb (usable on an installed system) in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> can be used instead. |
| 15:35.45 | ajavid | oh |
| 15:35.49 | spacepluk | wm4: I know, I don't think I'm buying from HP again |
| 15:35.56 | ajavid | well I'll be damned |
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| 15:36.34 | f | that sucks that it was discontinued |
| 15:36.42 | wm4 | spacepluk: it's not only HP... for example, my mainboard producer switched over to providing only a windows patching utility which downloads the BIOS image from the internet, and they don't even provide the BIOS images directly |
| 15:36.44 | ajavid | use apt-spy or netselect-apt |
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| 15:36.46 | ajavid | as it says |
| 15:36.51 | jetscreamer | backup your sources.list b4 using apt-spy last timei tried it it just erased mine and didn't give me one back |
| 15:37.03 | ajavid | jetscreamer, lol |
| 15:37.04 | jetscreamer | but that was a while ago |
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| 15:37.25 | spacepluk | wm4: That's another story, I have to find a way to extract the image from this .exe yet :P |
| 15:37.35 | jetscreamer | spacepluk: that's easy |
| 15:37.38 | ajavid | spacepluk, image? reshacker.exe ;) |
| 15:37.45 | jetscreamer | unshield, orange, maybe 7zip |
| 15:37.48 | ajavid | extract the resources |
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| 15:38.04 | ajavid | then again, requiring windows |
| 15:38.13 | ajavid | once gain also, not for #debian |
| 15:38.26 | f | I dont have either of those programs on my install, its a minimal server install |
| 15:38.29 | jetscreamer | !info orange |
| 15:38.33 | ajavid | f, install em |
| 15:38.35 | spacepluk | thank you very much :P |
| 15:38.50 | ajavid | !install it |
| 15:38.50 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 15:38.52 | dpkg | orange: (extracts CAB files from self-extracting installers), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 15:39.01 | f | ajavid, whats em? |
| 15:39.10 | jetscreamer | lazy them |
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| 15:40.46 | tux-foo | jamon, I needed to specyfi my arch (i.e. debootstrap --arch i386 lenny /mnt/gentoo/) otherwise it said: E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-/Packages |
| 15:41.15 | tux-foo | *specify |
| 15:41.27 | jetscreamer | ok i need a phonebooth... i have to turn back into jetpda :/ |
| 15:42.03 | jamon | tux-foo: yeah, you can even give it arm :) |
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| 15:42.26 | ajavid | gameboy advance has an arm |
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| 15:43.11 | jamon | lots of things do ajavid, android phones, someone hacked debian onto one |
| 15:43.19 | suzzi | Hi. Is there something like lartc which is not as much on the old side? |
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| 15:43.49 | tux-foo | jamon, rather not :) |
| 15:43.55 | suzzi | I fear I'm missing out on new developments of the last years in this area if I base my stuff on lartc |
| 15:43.55 | jamon | tux-foo: heh |
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| 15:44.03 | jamon | ajavid: http://www.saurik.com/id/10 |
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| 15:44.46 | tux-foo | I just stick to i686 (or amd64) |
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| 15:45.41 | careta | hello |
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| 15:47.04 | careta | I have this stupid icon on the tray saying "Your update information is outdated. This may be caused by network problems. Please update manually by clicking on this icon and then selection Check." I've done it quite a few times, it disappears, but when i hibernate and resume it comes back. i've also tried aptitude update and upgrade and same thing happens. what can i do? |
| 15:47.06 | rhineheart_m | I have already the .tar.bz2 package for my realtek audio driver.. how would I install it? |
| 15:47.38 | wm4 | careta: don't use GNOME or KDE |
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| 15:47.48 | jamon | careta: any kernel updates to the system since you last rebooted? |
| 15:48.06 | careta | no.. i'm using vanilla 2.6.28.7 |
| 15:48.21 | adb | ah ubuntu |
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| 15:48.32 | careta | no.. debian with vanilla kernel |
| 15:48.59 | planet8 | I don't get this. I am working in a dir under the group of the dir, and the sgid is set. The group has rwx on the dir, but when I create a new file in the dir, it still gets r-- what am I missing? |
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| 15:49.04 | mconstant | hi, I've got debian lenny installed on my g1 phone. it is missing /proc/net/wireless. how can I remedy this? |
| 15:50.02 | elik | I just hate those texlive updates -_-... always have to download 300megs |
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| 15:50.09 | careta | someone told me not to use the offending application.. but i want to keep it |
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| 15:50.38 | planet8 | umask is 022, but with sgid on the dir and it is set to rws for the group.. shouldn't I be able to create a file and it should inherit the rws part right? |
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| 15:51.36 | DexterF | abrotman, Ace2017_- : got it - it was on sda6. I just created a partition in that "empty" space and tadaa, mounts fine. |
| 15:51.45 | DexterF | but what made it disappear in the first place? |
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| 15:52.06 | spacepluk | jajajaj |
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| 15:52.30 | spacepluk | sorry, wrong window :P |
| 15:53.13 | DexterF | :) |
| 15:53.59 | rhineheart_m | I have already the .tar.bz2 package for my realtek audio driver.. how would I install it? |
| 15:54.20 | adb | !tgz |
| 15:54.20 | dpkg | to unarchive: tar -zxvf blah.tar.gz, to create: tar -zcvf blah.tar.gz ... |
| 15:54.30 | Ace2017_- | DexterF: don't forget to fsck |
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| 15:55.30 | DexterF | Ace2017_-: ah, thanks |
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| 15:57.03 | planet8 | On Debian does umask "override" the sgid on a directory? |
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| 15:58.43 | rhineheart_m | I got permission denied when I tried ./install |
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| 16:00.26 | kinley | hey, with which packet should i replace ssl-cert 1.0.14 in debian sarge ? :) |
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| 16:01.55 | adb | !sarge |
| 16:01.55 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for Debian version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <archive>. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ |
| 16:02.38 | kinley | wtf? ;) |
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| 16:03.12 | rhineheart_m | I got permission denied when I tried ./install What do you think is the problem? |
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| 16:03.24 | adb | as root ? |
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| 16:03.32 | rhineheart_m | yeah.. as root |
| 16:03.41 | wm4 | chmod +x install |
| 16:03.51 | goldenwolf | hey, i seemed to getting an error when doing almos tanything, libstdc++.so.6 cannot find shared object file |
| 16:03.57 | goldenwolf | any idea where i can download it? |
| 16:04.47 | adb | !tell goldenwolf about search |
| 16:04.48 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: give a concrete example of a command that fails |
| 16:05.02 | goldenwolf | ah i would if apt would work :p |
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| 16:05.02 | johndoe | why does cut count successive spaces as different fields yet it counts a whole word as just one field |
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| 16:05.47 | goldenwolf | says cannot find shared object file when i try apt :p or other commands, even kde stopped working |
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| 16:06.34 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: pastebin the output of ldd /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 16:06.37 | johndoe | how can i force cut to treat groups of whitespace as just one space |
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| 16:07.46 | goldenwolf | ah sorry dont have links installed, just says libstdc++.so.6 => not found |
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| 16:08.47 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: which debian release are you using? |
| 16:08.53 | goldenwolf | 5 |
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| 16:09.30 | goldenwolf | everything seemed to be working, until i ran this program which tried to create a symbolic link and messed it up i think :S |
| 16:09.57 | goldenwolf | maybe i can get the above lib through wget? |
| 16:09.58 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: what does "dpkg -l libstdc++6|tail -1" say? You'll likely need to reinstall it |
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| 16:10.14 | rhineheart_m | I just can't install realtek-linux-audiopack-4.06a.tar.bz2.....anybody here please help.. |
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| 16:10.33 | ray66 | I am installing Thunderbird mail client to Lenny one of the dependency is libstdc++.so.5 is this library going to conflict with libstdc++.so.6 which links to libstdc++.so.6.0.10 |
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| 16:10.54 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: it would be wise to figure out the cause of it gone missing first |
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| 16:11.07 | wm4 | ray66: probably not, and install icedove (=debian thunderbird) instead |
| 16:11.12 | goldenwolf | ah says libstdc++6 4.3.2-1.1 gnu standard lib v3 |
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| 16:11.23 | sshc | I have kbdrate -r 999999 -d 0 run in a cron job to set the key rate the fastest possible (for booting, restarting X, etc) but it isn't resetting the key rate. If I run ti manually it does, though. How do I get kbdrate to work even in a cron job? |
| 16:11.24 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: and the first two characters? |
| 16:11.29 | goldenwolf | ii |
| 16:11.31 | Pillz | Can anyone point me towards a list of known issues with installing LXDE via netinst? |
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| 16:11.41 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: ls -l /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6* ? |
| 16:12.26 | goldenwolf | /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.10 |
| 16:12.30 | ray66 | goldenwolf..Thanks for the info |
| 16:12.50 | goldenwolf | np |
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| 16:12.57 | goldenwolf | thank u :p |
| 16:13.06 | rhineheart_m | wm4, do you have an idea about my problem? :( |
| 16:13.06 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: interesting. Run ldconfig. |
| 16:13.26 | goldenwolf | says libstdc++ is empty |
| 16:13.28 | goldenwolf | not checked |
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| 16:13.35 | wm4 | rhineheart_m: why should I? |
| 16:13.55 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: what size is the file /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.10? |
| 16:13.55 | wm4 | rhineheart_m: first, you need to provide more info |
| 16:14.21 | wm4 | rhineheart_m: second, you must assume that almost noone knows about that specific thing you try to install (audiopack or what it was) |
| 16:14.42 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: did you have a power failure? Any filesystem errors in dmesg output or /var/log/kern.log? |
| 16:14.53 | goldenwolf | ah |
| 16:14.54 | goldenwolf | its empty |
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| 16:15.22 | goldenwolf | and well i had a premature shutdown |
| 16:15.26 | goldenwolf | but it was working fine after that |
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| 16:16.03 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: check your dmesg/kern.log for filesystem issues before reinstalling the package |
| 16:16.15 | goldenwolf | none |
| 16:16.17 | goldenwolf | just checked |
| 16:16.29 | rhineheart_m | ah okay.. I'll be more specific.. I'm trying to install audiopack realtek into my debian etch... this is my lspci -n result: http://rafb.net/p/BEAux092.html |
| 16:16.38 | goldenwolf | jus tsomething about atkbd.c |
| 16:16.45 | Neaai | Hi all. How can I add preffered applications in Iceweasel when in: Edit > Preferences > Applications. I see ta list but I see no means to add something new to that |
| 16:16.54 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: which fulesystem type are you using for /usr? |
| 16:17.00 | Neaai | s/ta/a |
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| 16:17.06 | goldenwolf | ext3 |
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| 16:17.44 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: oh well. see if there's a /var/cache/apt/archives/libstdc++6_*.deb present, if there is, install it with dpkg -i |
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| 16:18.13 | goldenwolf | not there |
| 16:18.18 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.21 | goldenwolf | already checked |
| 16:18.25 | rhineheart_m | and here's my lspci -nn http://rafb.net/p/Fuwnnw21.html |
| 16:18.27 | goldenwolf | already did taht adb |
| 16:18.31 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: if not, use http://packages.debian.org to download the correct deb for your release and architecture |
| 16:18.31 | goldenwolf | thats the first thing i did |
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| 16:19.12 | stittel | Hi! I am updating my server from etch to lenny at the moment. I suppose upon reboot /dev/hd* will be named /dev/sd*. Should I change the entries in /etc/fstab to /dev/disk/by-id/*? And what about LILO? lilo.conf refers to /etc/hd*, but the release notes don't say anything about changing there. |
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| 16:19.30 | stittel | I don't have physical access to that machine, so I would highly dislike it hanging on reboot. |
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| 16:19.46 | Neaai | stittel: you're replacing hard disks too ? |
| 16:19.51 | jelly-home | adb: <jelly-home> goldenwolf: what size is the file /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.10? [...] <goldenwolf> its empty |
| 16:19.57 | stittel | Neaai: No, just upgrading from Etch to Lenny. |
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| 16:20.19 | tabris | stittel: don't use by-id, use by-label or by-uuid |
| 16:20.22 | stittel | Neaai: But the lenny kernel uses libata which introduces naming changes, right? |
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| 16:20.32 | Neaai | stittel: then there will be no renaming from hd* to sd*. hd* are for ide disks. sd* for scsii and others |
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| 16:20.48 | tabris | Neaai: depends, libata makes pata devs into /dev/sdX |
| 16:21.01 | tabris | Neaai: although it might vary by distro, I know that Fedora and others had this issue. |
| 16:21.05 | demon | does 5.0 comes with ant IM |
| 16:21.08 | demon | any* |
| 16:21.08 | Neaai | tabris: stittel: I see. |
| 16:21.13 | rhineheart_m | anybody who could assist me? |
| 16:21.19 | goldenwolf | would it be in lib64gcc? |
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| 16:21.30 | wm4 | um, the ordering for sdN seems to be random, just to warn you |
| 16:21.41 | tabris | wm4: yes, hence using the by-label or by-uuid |
| 16:21.43 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: what? |
| 16:21.59 | jelly-home | goldenwolf: package name is libstdc++6 |
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| 16:22.01 | tabris | stittel: and don't forget to update your grub conf too. fstab being broken you can live with. grub... not so much. |
| 16:22.03 | wm4 | tabris: is that a bug or is a deterministic ordering just not possible? |
| 16:22.07 | DexterF | grub-install --recheck /dev/hda gives me "/dev/sda5: not found or no block dev" - what the heck? I didn't wanna check sda in the first place |
| 16:22.15 | stittel | tabris: So the partitions on my IDE disk will be /dev/sda* after reboot? And I need to edit fstab before reboot, right? What about lilo.conf? I am using LILO, not GRUB. |
| 16:22.26 | demon | does DEBIAN 5 comes with any msn IM?? |
| 16:22.33 | Neaai | stittel: and also, my 3weeks old lenny installation didn't use /dev/disk/by-id/ but the old /dev/sd* convention. |
| 16:22.40 | tabris | wm4: depends on the hardware. i've found it's mostly stable now, if you don't add discs. but if you do, then yeah, it's kinda random before/after |
| 16:22.58 | tabris | demon: a) plz don't yell b) pidgin c) kopete d) look on PDO |
| 16:22.59 | stittel | demon: Pidgin, aMSN, Kopete... |
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| 16:23.08 | wm4 | tabris: I was getting a different order on every boot... that bug took me 1 or 2 years to hunt down |
| 16:23.09 | mranostay | hello |
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| 16:23.26 | goldenwolf | oaky worked |
| 16:23.27 | mranostay | anyone here can answer a debian packaging question? |
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| 16:23.30 | goldenwolf | thanks a lot! |
| 16:23.34 | demon | tabris: i am hot screaming just DEBIAN :) |
| 16:23.47 | tabris | wm4: it has to do with init order, and that in part has to do with hardware. if you have only one controller, it'll probably be stable. if you have multiple, it might not be. |
| 16:23.49 | demon | stittel: they are in the cd i dont need to install them |
| 16:23.51 | muddd | MmmHmm. |
| 16:23.56 | wm4 | mranostay: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 16:23.58 | muddd | debian, thats hot |
| 16:24.12 | mranostay | I want to do something like Depends: telnet, python (= 2.5*) |
| 16:24.14 | tabris | demon: a) debian is not all caps b) the whole repeating and yelling, not so happy or fun. |
| 16:24.16 | mranostay | is that possible? |
| 16:24.42 | jelly-home | mranostay: oyu want 2.5 but not 2.6? |
| 16:24.42 | stittel | Neaai: Well, using /dev/disk/* only contains symlinks to /dev/sd* or /dev/hd* anyways. However. my question is still: What is the best way to edit fstab and lilo.conf to ensure the system will properly reboot? |
| 16:24.44 | demon | sorry tabris |
| 16:24.54 | tabris | mranostay: you probably want something more like #debian-devel with that q. |
| 16:25.15 | stittel | Neaai: I don't see much of a problem with fstab, since the /dev/disk/ links should work even after rebooting with the lenny kernel. I am mostly worried about my lilo.conf. |
| 16:25.17 | tabris | stittel: the idea is that the symlinks are created at boot time, and will point to the same dev every time, even if it changes sdX |
| 16:25.21 | jelly-home | mranostay: python (>= 2.5), python (<< 2.6) |
| 16:25.38 | anoHito | linux is very complicated :) |
| 16:25.53 | wm4 | anoHito: everything is complicated |
| 16:26.00 | jamon | anoHito: maybe, but at least everything is documented and open :) |
| 16:26.01 | anoHito | wm4, :) |
| 16:26.10 | stittel | tabris: Are the settings in lilo.conf only to make LILO find the right place to write when "lilo" is issued? Or will an outdated /dev/hda* entry in /etc/lilo.conf prevent the system from booting? |
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| 16:26.39 | DexterF | where can I find a netinst of etch? |
| 16:26.57 | tabris | stittel: ther are 2 answers to that. |
| 16:27.17 | tabris | stittel: a) lilo itself will be fine, b/c it relies on BIOS order b) however, your root=<foo> designation might break. |
| 16:27.26 | abrotman | DexterF: why would you want it ? |
| 16:27.29 | icebrain | Hi, I have a ext4 partition which mounted fine in 2.6.28 but now on 29 it prints "EXT4-fs: hda6: Filesystem with huge files cannot be mounted read-write without CONFIG_LBD." and doesn't mount. Well, my partition has less than 10GB, so I shouldn't need CONFIG_LBD :| |
| 16:27.34 | icebrain | what can I do? |
| 16:27.41 | mranostay | jelly-home, basically yes because we have bytecodes in the package, closed-source |
| 16:27.44 | DexterF | abrotman: does lenny regard ATA disks as sdX? |
| 16:27.53 | jelly-home | mranostay: or you could depend on python2.5 and use #!/usr/bin/python2.5 in your executables |
| 16:27.59 | abrotman | probably depends on the chipset |
| 16:28.06 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r7/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 16:28.08 | stittel | tabris: Can I change "root=" to some symlink under /dev/disk? Or would I need to enter the new /dev/sd* naming there (which I don't reliable now right now)? |
| 16:28.11 | wm4 | icebrain: sorry not to answer your question, but why do you use ext4 at all? |
| 16:28.30 | mranostay | is ext4 even stable? |
| 16:28.36 | DexterF | abrotman: need to fix an etch installation and Slax is giving me hell so I'd like to try the original install cd |
| 16:28.38 | tabris | stittel: that is the point of my whole "use disk/by-label/ |
| 16:28.39 | DexterF | which was etch |
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| 16:28.47 | Neaai | stittel: your installation is a server or a desktop ? |
| 16:28.56 | jelly-home | icebrain: but your filesystem might be created with those features. |
| 16:28.59 | DexterF | abrotman: unless you can help me with that grub error about sda5 |
| 16:28.59 | icebrain | wm4: just to mess around, it's not my main nor home partition |
| 16:29.02 | stittel | Neaai: Server. |
| 16:29.25 | icebrain | jelly-home: but my 2.6.28 was built without it and it could mount it |
| 16:29.34 | abrotman | DexterF: id' need more details |
| 16:29.37 | stittel | Neaai: Headless server in some data center far away from me. That's why I am worried about the rebooting. |
| 16:29.45 | jelly-home | icebrain: sounds like a question for ##kernel |
| 16:30.02 | stittel | tabris: So "root=/dev/disk/by-label" in lilo.conf will work? |
| 16:30.07 | jelly-home | icebrain: or #linuxfs on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:30.14 | tabris | stittel: assuming you add the appropriate label as well. |
| 16:30.23 | Neaai | stittel: hmm. Well... If it were a desktop I'd suggest to keep a liveCD handy, save your configs somewhere, upgrade and reboot, and then if edits in the filesystem are needed, those to be done with the liveCD |
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| 16:30.24 | tabris | stittel: and assuming that your label doesn't have anything funny in it. |
| 16:30.41 | Neaai | stittel: and it's good you're worried in this case |
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| 16:30.52 | DexterF | abrotman: all right: restored part table. see ethc again. fine. need to reinstall grub. followed what dpkg bot told me. grub-install /dev/hda tells me something about sda5. dont know why. |
| 16:31.16 | abrotman | did you update-grub at all ? |
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| 16:31.35 | DexterF | abrotman: yes. update-grub gave me... (sec) |
| 16:31.38 | anoHito | jamon, i'd like to read the real books, rather than reading on those e-docs |
| 16:31.39 | icebrain | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
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| 16:31.57 | DexterF | abrotman: uh..actually went fine... moment... |
| 16:32.03 | fsancho | hi all |
| 16:32.12 | stittel | tabris: Ok, the only reason for not-working I could think of, was, that the /dev/disk/ structure is not available when the kernel is looking for root. I mean, for /dev/disk stuff udev must be working already. |
| 16:32.13 | stittel | brb |
| 16:32.44 | DexterF | abrotman: yes, went fine, found this and that and diodnt complain |
| 16:33.03 | jamon | anoHito: there are lots of books in print about linux |
| 16:33.09 | Neaai | i'm off. byes all |
| 16:33.25 | tabris | stittel: yes, but there is 'early udev', and yes, I use this trick on one of my storage boxes. i have to, b/c the drive order is somewhat random on this box. |
| 16:33.28 | anoHito | jamon, I see |
| 16:33.33 | fsancho | i have nvidia-legacy-96xx drivers and i can't see opengl applications throug tv-out |
| 16:33.50 | fsancho | the screen goes black and i can only hear the sounds |
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| 16:33.54 | DexterF | abrotman: aha: here's the culprit |
| 16:34.06 | DexterF | abrotman: slax sees the disk as hda. etch saw it as sda. |
| 16:34.16 | anoHito | may i know , the capibility of programming is a MUST to learn to understand linux better ? or,especially for the admins ? |
| 16:34.18 | fsancho | i'm using 2.6.25 kernel |
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| 16:34.33 | K_Sakura | fsancho: Could it be that the TV doesn't support the resolution? |
| 16:34.46 | fsancho | K_Sakura: it worked some time ago |
| 16:34.54 | K_Sakura | anoHito: There is no special need to understand programming. |
| 16:34.56 | fsancho | but i will try anyway |
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| 16:35.12 | DexterF | anoHito: not really.... I think of myself as quite an ok sys admin and can'T code for shoot |
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| 16:35.45 | K_Sakura | Any source code I touch is usually uglier afterwards. |
| 16:37.01 | wm4 | apropos ugly, does anybody still use xzgv? |
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| 16:37.15 | anoHito | DexterF, i can't believe that. |
| 16:37.18 | DexterF | abrotman: in the menu.lst all refs are to sda. |
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| 16:37.28 | abrotman | DexterF: is this bad or good ? |
| 16:37.41 | abrotman | wonders why you wouldn't just use a debian disc ... |
| 16:37.52 | DexterF | anoHito: well that's freedom of belief, have fun |
| 16:38.04 | anoHito | haha okay. |
| 16:38.06 | DexterF | abrotman: bad :( |
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| 16:38.16 | K_Sakura | Programming knowledge is primarily useful if you want to code -- and in that regard, OS makes less of a difference than the person. I'm sure there are coders for MSOS that couldn't handle Linux at all, although I don't know any programmers who use MSOS as a development platform, and who don't use GNU/Linux. |
| 16:38.54 | wm4 | is MSOS the new name for Windows? |
| 16:39.01 | abrotman | #debian ? |
| 16:39.31 | K_Sakura | I don't call MSOS "Windows" because I don't like giving MS credit for GUIs. |
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| 16:39.38 | anoHito | K_Sakura, thanks for the info. |
| 16:39.51 | DexterF | abrotman: ill burn a lenny netinst and try that. tho I'd *really* rather use the etch netinst. |
| 16:40.37 | abrotman | i gave the URL awhile ago |
| 16:40.40 | K_Sakura | I have an AMD64 etch DVD -- somewhere around here. |
| 16:40.40 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r7/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 16:41.02 | DexterF | it's been 14 years now since Windows started gaining popularity and we still haven't come up with a humiliating yet clever nickname for it :) |
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| 16:41.31 | DexterF | abrotman: duh. thanks. I searched my ass off for that |
| 16:41.33 | wm4 | DexterF: there's "Windoze" |
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| 16:41.46 | K_Sakura | I think "MSOS" is a 'good' one. (MSOS=MicroSoft Operating System) |
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| 16:42.50 | DexterF | wm4: that's sorta... arty... and volitional |
| 16:42.59 | stittel | tabris: Thanks, I will try. |
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| 16:43.15 | DexterF | K_Sakura: 50% of ppl. you talk to wont be knowing what you are about, my estimate |
| 16:43.31 | datag | where is the right place to request a new package in debian? |
| 16:43.40 | K_Sakura | Since most stuff made by MS is broken and buggy, etc. calling something MS Operating System is calling it badly made. |
| 16:44.19 | datag | should i post a bug at bugs.debian.org? |
| 16:44.23 | K_Sakura | DexterF: Actually, I only get "what's MSOS?" about 10-15% of the time. |
| 16:44.34 | K_Sakura | Less than that, really. |
| 16:44.43 | wm4 | K_Sakura: most stuff on Linux is broken too |
| 16:44.45 | abrotman | !ot |
| 16:44.45 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 16:45.16 | Pillz | If I do a netinst of Lenny and pick general & desktop packages, what does it install? And how can I avoid it installing browsers/audio/image/office/etc applications? |
| 16:45.39 | K_Sakura | Explicitly not installing them, pretty much. |
| 16:45.53 | Pillz | It doesnt install any on it's own? |
| 16:45.57 | omid8bimo | hey guys // space shuttle landing at 10PM local time. check it out if you're a fan! |
| 16:46.00 | datag | ok, i'll file a bug |
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| 16:47.06 | K_Sakura | I'm not sure what the netinst disk installs by default, but I'd expect a browser, and something for audio if one has "desktop" selected. |
| 16:47.24 | Pillz | okay |
| 16:47.46 | Pillz | well if it installs anything I don't want I can always just remove it i suppose |
| 16:48.12 | K_Sakura | There probably is a list of what packages are installed by default for the 'general purpose' options -- I don't know where, though. |
| 16:48.19 | mischief6 | can anyone give me a link for placing the debian installer(s) on USB flash drives? |
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| 16:49.34 | Pillz | I've been looking through debian docs but no luck for a lot of stuff, so yeah. I'm just hoping it installs X correctly this time around |
| 16:50.07 | adb | http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-usb |
| 16:50.18 | sepult | mischief6: do you want to just debootstrap a lenny on usb ? |
| 16:50.28 | wm4 | Pillz: you can always install X afterwards? |
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| 16:50.58 | Golden|Wolf | hey, would i need to do anything to set my display on my tv using hdmi? or should it be auto |
| 16:51.08 | seria-ma1 | Pillz: yes, you can remove anything you don't like. for my personal workstations i always start out with a standard installation only (+laptop for laptops) and install what i need |
| 16:51.29 | Pillz | wm4: I've tried to install X manually in arch & debian and failed each time. Unforunately Debian doesn't give me a working Xorg when I let it do it itself, either. |
| 16:51.39 | mischief6 | sepult, i have a friend who is not capable of CD boot, but can boot to floppy. he can probably chain-boot to USB using something like Plop bootmanager, but i need to know how to get some form of installer on a flash drive |
| 16:51.46 | sepult | mischief6: do you want the installer put on it or the debian system ? |
| 16:51.50 | Mimmux | hi everybody, how to avoid a "gpg error: no pubkey" when installing new packages with synaptic? |
| 16:51.52 | mischief6 | or floppy disk(s) if possible |
| 16:51.56 | wm4 | Pillz: maybe you didn't install all packages you actually wanted? |
| 16:52.02 | mischief6 | sepult, the installer |
| 16:52.04 | stittel | tabris: /dev/disk/by-uuid only shows hda1, not hda2 (which is swap). /dev/disk/by-id shows both, I don't have /dev/disk/by-label. |
| 16:52.06 | sepult | oh ok the installer then |
| 16:52.11 | datag | which is the right way to do a "package request" in debian? |
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| 16:52.22 | seria-ma1 | Pillz: the xorg.conf in lenny should be the same on a broad range of machines, since lenny uses an configless x.org now |
| 16:52.36 | Pillz | wm4: for Xorg? No, I did. |
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| 16:53.31 | Thomaschaaf | I have 5 NICs in my computer but its only using one.. how can I use all of them so my pc has 5 different internal IP's? |
| 16:53.47 | Pillz | seria-ma1: Well I've never had a problem with letting installers configure X for me before, but Debians installer just gave me yellow-black-orange colors and lots of flicker. But I'm bored so once I'm done cleaning up my MS harddrive I'm going to give it another try. |
| 16:54.01 | zinx | Thomaschaaf: assign 5 different IPs to the 5 different NICs |
| 16:54.04 | sepult | mischief6: one would be this http://linux.simple.be/debian/usb |
| 16:54.20 | zinx | Thomaschaaf: you will have to tell applications which IP to use. |
| 16:55.05 | sepult | mischief6: actually put a "installing debian on usb" in google you'll get many sites |
| 16:55.11 | adb | mischief6: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-usb |
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| 16:55.29 | Thomaschaaf | http://paste.debian.net/31788/ |
| 16:55.38 | mischief6 | sepult, i don't want the system to end up on the flash drive, i just want the installer on there. and furthermore, the person who will be doing this is probably in windows. |
| 16:55.40 | sepult | mischief6: there's a bootable hd-image already |
| 16:56.17 | sepult | mischief6: ok then download the hd-image from debian's site there is a link to |
| 16:56.25 | Thomaschaaf | there is a cable inside what do I have to change? |
| 16:56.28 | abrotman | Thomaschaaf: man 5 interfaces .. set them all u |
| 16:56.29 | abrotman | up |
| 16:56.33 | Thomaschaaf | maybe just what file? |
| 16:56.34 | sepult | mischief6: and zcat it to > /dev/bla which ever is your usb device |
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| 16:56.40 | zinx | fwiw you don't even need 5 NICs to have 5 IPs :/ |
| 16:56.41 | mischief6 | sepult, the system that debian is going on has no OS to use |
| 16:56.58 | mischief6 | the target system is blank. the only useable media is floppy and possibly USB. |
| 16:57.06 | sepult | mischief6: that's the easiest of all versions of getting the installer there |
| 16:57.18 | Thomaschaaf | zinx I want to use different eth since I am running xen on it want to give every vm its own eth |
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| 16:57.44 | mischief6 | sepult, oh, hd image can be put on a flash drive to install from? |
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| 16:57.51 | abrotman | zinx: see ... makes perfect sense .. |
| 16:58.00 | Mimmux | excuse me, is there anybody who could kindly help me with how to avoid a "gpg error: no pubkey" when installing new packages with synaptic? |
| 16:58.04 | zinx | abrotman: of course it does >_< |
| 16:58.09 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:58.11 | sepult | mischief6: yes exactly |
| 16:58.23 | abrotman | Mimmux: is debian-archive-keyring installed ? |
| 16:58.32 | mischief6 | sepult, i will look into the HD image then. thank you. |
| 16:58.38 | Thomaschaaf | so how do I asign an ip to the others ifconfig eth0 up doesn't really do much for me |
| 16:58.41 | sepult | mischief6: it's just you have to be sure your usb is bootable with your bios |
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| 16:58.48 | abrotman | Thomaschaaf: man 5 interfaces .. set them all up |
| 16:59.04 | mischief6 | sepult, i cannot chain boot to it? |
| 16:59.11 | Mimmux | abrotman, thnax, I don't know if it is, but I think not |
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| 16:59.50 | Mimmux | I never did select it manually as a package, I mean |
| 16:59.59 | sepult | mischief6: you can, if you tell grub how your usb device is addressed, for me it's simply (hd2,0) for example |
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| 17:00.24 | en3rgy | cheers all.. |
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| 17:00.35 | Mimmux | Is that a separate package which needs to be installed to provide a public key? |
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| 17:01.03 | en3rgy | i have a problem during the initialisation of the etqw game..resulted with sound and white screen.. |
| 17:01.13 | mischief6 | sepult, i cannot seem to find the HD image. looking around debian.org, i only see cd images, like netinst, business card, etc |
| 17:01.13 | en3rgy | in the log i get this> Mar 28 17:45:59 En3rgY kernel: [ 2267.269034] etqw.x86[5060]: segfault at 44 ip f7e2d4c0 sp ffc2008c error 4 in libpthread-2.7.so[f7e26000+13000] |
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| 17:01.24 | en3rgy | can anyone help? |
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| 17:01.39 | en3rgy | the SDL and nvidia libs and drivers are ok |
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| 17:01.50 | sepult | mischief6: wait i'll give you the url |
| 17:02.14 | mischief6 | okay thanks |
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| 17:03.46 | HSNews | People help! |
| 17:04.00 | HSNews | I try to install Debian onto USB FLash |
| 17:04.12 | HSNews | and I installed GRUB onto hd0 (((( |
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| 17:04.25 | HSNews | how to recover GRUB |
| 17:04.27 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 17:04.27 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 17:04.35 | HSNews | NO! |
| 17:04.48 | HSNews | I can't run my PC, because GRUB error 21 |
| 17:04.59 | HSNews | How to fix that? |
| 17:05.09 | sepult | mischief6: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 17:05.19 | nsadmin | HSNews: what's grub error 21? |
| 17:05.34 | sepult | mischief6: it's in hd-media there |
| 17:06.00 | HSNews | GRUB Error 21 |
| 17:06.05 | HSNews | on PC startup |
| 17:06.13 | HSNews | ANd I can't get my WIndowx XP |
| 17:06.14 | HSNews | ((( |
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| 17:06.49 | mischief6 | sepult, there are three files there. what must be done with them? :x |
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| 17:07.18 | abrotman | !tell HSNews about enter |
| 17:07.24 | sepult | mischief6: you just need one of them wich is the boot image indicated |
| 17:07.24 | nsadmin | HSNews: so what does "grub error 21" mean? what is it trying to say specifically? you will have to find out |
| 17:07.48 | sepult | mischief6: all else is already contained in the boot image |
| 17:08.06 | HSNews | fckn sht, how to recover previous OS?? how to recover GRUB (( |
| 17:08.10 | sepult | mischief6: you can even download all and compare if you want to |
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| 17:08.19 | Golden|Wolf | does debian has x11-proto? |
| 17:08.20 | mischief6 | sepult, so, download boot.img.gz then write it to a block device? |
| 17:08.21 | Ace2017_- | Hi all |
| 17:08.29 | Ace2017_- | how do i run something on xorg's startup? |
| 17:08.40 | Ace2017_- | before the xserver is started i want a custom command to be run |
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| 17:08.46 | sepult | mischief6: exactly, but with zcat > /dev/bla |
| 17:08.46 | Mimmux | abrotman: did you previously mean a new package I'd need to install to get that key? |
| 17:08.59 | abrotman | Mimmux: which key is it? |
| 17:09.06 | sepult | mischief6: usb should not be mounted!!! |
| 17:09.07 | abrotman | Mimmux: put the error and your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 17:09.13 | Ace2017_- | hang on, i'll see what happens now, brb |
| 17:09.22 | mischief6 | sepult, that can't happen. the person doing this isn't using linux. |
| 17:09.42 | mischief6 | they can't just zcat it. could it be possible to extract the image and then use UnetBootin? |
| 17:10.16 | Mimmux | I mean the famous "gpg error: no public key available" when trying to download new packages under Lenny (using synaptic, but doesn't matter) |
| 17:10.34 | abrotman | i know what it is .. |
| 17:10.45 | sepult | mischief6: you need a netinst-image too i think, get the 160MB or 149MB netinst image too and put it after zcatting and mount your usb onto the usb |
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| 17:10.50 | rerushg | Golden|Wolf: libx11-protocol-perl |
| 17:10.53 | Mimmux | I am working on another machine at now, just working with info by heart |
| 17:11.12 | DexterF | abrotman: "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" - I'm so fucking pissed right now. booted lenny netinst into rescue mode |
| 17:11.27 | sepult | sepult: the installer searches automatically for an image in it's environment when it boots |
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| 17:11.33 | mischief6 | sepult, :|..what? |
| 17:12.07 | sepult | sepult: you can boot but you can't go into the internet without the netinst-image |
| 17:12.38 | mischief6 | mmm...why can't getting the installer on a USB drive be as easy as it is to write a CD.. |
| 17:13.05 | sepult | mischief6: actually it's easier than a cd write |
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| 17:13.19 | mischief6 | sepult, obviously not. |
| 17:13.32 | Golden|Wolf | thanks, how about xf86driproto? |
| 17:13.34 | Golden|Wolf | cant find it on the site |
| 17:13.34 | mischief6 | would it be possible to write the debian CD image to a USB drive with unetbootin? |
| 17:13.58 | sepult | mischief6: you aren't accustomed to the procedure and so frightened a little bit that's all |
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| 17:14.37 | sepult | mischief6: when you realize it takes just minuts for it all, you'll see the benefit |
| 17:14.45 | Mimmux | abrotman: sources are security dot debian dot org lenny updates and ftp dot it dot debian dot org, both giving same error no_pubkey |
| 17:15.09 | abrotman | Mimmux: you should just have to install the debian-archive-keyring .. and then run aptitude update |
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| 17:15.12 | Mimmux | So I can install every updates and packages but not verify them |
| 17:15.23 | sepult | sepult: not like dealing with maybe broken cd-writers, or software that can handle them |
| 17:15.25 | Mimmux | oh ok thanx |
| 17:16.12 | mischief6 | sepult, even after all you have explained though, i still do not know how to get the installer on a flash drive |
| 17:16.22 | mischief6 | and if i do not know, i cannot explain it to this other person. |
| 17:16.32 | adb | !tell mischief6 about debian.exe |
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| 17:16.43 | sepult | mischief6: wait, are you on debian now ? |
| 17:16.49 | mischief6 | sepult, no. |
| 17:16.54 | sepult | mischief6: or on windows ? |
| 17:17.01 | mischief6 | well, i have a debian system online |
| 17:17.06 | mischief6 | but that is besides the matter |
| 17:17.17 | cantoma | hey guys .. my desktop is having problems trying to run compiz (I am using lenny) when I ask him to switch between metacity to compiz all the windows are aligned to the left of the screen and the hotkeys that should change the screen don't work. Any idea? |
| 17:17.19 | nsadmin | so what are you on? |
| 17:17.20 | nsadmin | :) |
| 17:17.24 | rerushg | Golden|Wolf: I see nothing by that exact name. Suggest you search Deb package site for "xf86" |
| 17:17.33 | mischief6 | nsadmin, i am using windows 7, if you must know. |
| 17:18.03 | sepult | mischief6: you know that zcat is just available with debian ? |
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| 17:18.24 | mischief6 | sepult, yes. but the person who is going to be doing this doesn't have debian or zcat. :) |
| 17:18.57 | Mimmux | other question now, this I think could interest many: is it possible to install the /boot section of a Debian system on a separate, small partition on the first e.g. 100 MB of the hd0 disk, and then install Grub on it to load both Debian and WinXP residing on other two big partitions? |
| 17:19.04 | sepult | mischief6: ok then he neads a livecd of any kind of a linux system |
| 17:19.23 | sepult | mischief6: he boot's into it and does the same from there |
| 17:19.28 | DexterF | I have a broken grub but an otherwise ok root system. how can I boot it? |
| 17:19.29 | jelly-home | Mimmux: it is possible. |
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| 17:20.08 | sepult | mischief6: livecd's are even available within computer-magazines |
| 17:20.16 | cantoma | DexterF: LiveCD then do grub-install |
| 17:20.22 | Mimmux | jelly-home: and could that avoid some older bioses not booting partitions beyond bios' limits problem? |
| 17:20.30 | DexterF | cantoma: failed. error 1. |
| 17:20.35 | mischief6 | sepult, so he must download the hd-image boot.img.gz, zcat it to a flash drive, then get the netinst image and write the contents of that? |
| 17:20.51 | jelly-home | Mimmux: it could. Do you have a 486 or a P1 machine around? |
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| 17:21.18 | jelly-home | Mimmux: because that's the old you're talking about |
| 17:21.24 | Mimmux | yes, various of them from P1 to P3 with bioses from 1997 to 2001 |
| 17:21.27 | sepult | mischief6: yes get the netinst image, then mount the usb somewhere, then copy the netinst image onto that, then he's done and can boot with the usb-stick |
| 17:21.31 | cantoma | DexterF: can you give more details |
| 17:21.54 | mischief6 | sepult, but he needs to zcat the hd-install as well, right? |
| 17:22.08 | cantoma | OFFTOPIC :: Hey this is just something I start to realize ... can someone explain me why when 2 researchers after getting married start to write papers together even if they come from different backgrounds?! |
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| 17:22.17 | DexterF | cantoma: I pointed the lenny netinst cd at /dev/sda6 and told it to start a shell there |
| 17:22.20 | Mimmux | the problem is starting to become present since I upgraded hdd's with bigger ones |
| 17:22.33 | sepult | mischief6: yes the zcat is for the boot image, it formats basically your usb-stick, and put's the files needed for booting that stick |
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| 17:22.51 | DexterF | cantoma: on issuing grub-install --recheck /dev/sda I get "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" |
| 17:23.03 | DexterF | cantoma: I have no idea what this means |
| 17:23.04 | jelly-home | cantoma: it's nice to give attribution, even when some of the ideas come from the spouse. |
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| 17:23.48 | cantoma | jelly-home: otherwise the husband will be in trouble |
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| 17:23.57 | Mimmux | talking about 100-250 GB hdd's, bioses generally stop being able to boot above the first giga |
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| 17:24.15 | mischief6 | sepult, alright, i am going to try to compile this into a single message, and send it to my friend :) |
| 17:24.15 | jelly-home | cantoma: I ddn't specify any genders. |
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| 17:24.40 | Mimmux | jelly-home: it's a matter of brain-sex between the two :-) |
| 17:24.42 | cantoma | jelly-home: it can work in both directions |
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| 17:25.22 | sepult | mischief6: it maybe that at first attempt, after booting the stick with the installer, it can't detect the netinst image you put there, but that's because it will at first not search the whole disk for netinst-images, then it will ask you if you want to search the whole disk or will tell you it couldn't find a suitable image, you just repeat that step and then it finds the image |
| 17:25.35 | cantoma | DexterF: did you check what it could mean the "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" .. or is something not reported by google?! |
| 17:25.52 | DexterF | cantoma: nothing helpful so far |
| 17:25.53 | Mimmux | jelly-home: remember the Barbapapa stuff with cartoons, a French and an American got married and painted cartoons together happily |
| 17:26.12 | sepult | mischief6: so don't be afraid fo trying something a second time |
| 17:26.25 | jelly-home | Mimmux: I haven't mixed newer disks with older motherboards, so I can't tell about any weird issues coming from that. |
| 17:26.29 | DexterF | cantoma: most stuff i cant do because I need to run "grub" from console but the rescue syystem wont fscking let me |
| 17:26.35 | DexterF | it says "no bterm" or so |
| 17:26.49 | sepult | mischief6: ok bye then |
| 17:27.00 | sepult | mischief6: hope he can deal with it |
| 17:27.21 | mischief6 | sepult, me too. |
| 17:27.32 | cantoma | DexterF: so it could be that your grub files are corropted. You need to reinstall it. Means delete the actual one and install a fresh one |
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| 17:28.02 | Mimmux | ok, but remaining in general terms, the problem is interesting since the same procedure could be the right way to manage many multiboot problems of mixed MS and Linx systems |
| 17:28.17 | DexterF | cantoma: that's my assumption, too |
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| 17:28.39 | DexterF | but reinstalling grub from a rescue systme, y'know... |
| 17:28.48 | jelly-home | Mimmux: not really, newer systems can boot from anywhere on the disk. |
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| 17:29.35 | cantoma | DexterF: you may need to download the packages manually if your live cd has no internet access |
| 17:29.47 | jelly-home | Mimmux: (where boot ~ read grub stage2, and kernel/initrd) |
| 17:30.07 | Mimmux | oh ok, but what if I had an existing old system of mine and wanted to move my /boot to a separate directory, what would be the right way to do it exactly? |
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| 17:31.32 | Mimmux | jelly-home: yes, booting stops on stage 1 at now, but I can access the Debian partition by a boot CD (sysrescCD) |
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| 17:33.42 | Silver | im in the same boat as Mimmux except my error reads: error: the symbol 'grub_get_time_ms' not found |
| 17:34.02 | Silver | how do I reinstall grub using the install cd? |
| 17:34.42 | DexterF | cantoma: ill reinstall. takes less time. |
| 17:34.42 | DexterF | fsck it |
| 17:34.42 | Mimmux | silver: welcome onboard |
| 17:34.42 | Silver | lol |
| 17:34.42 | Silver | thanks |
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| 17:34.52 | jelly-home | Silver: you also have a 199x machine? |
| 17:35.35 | Silver | oh ok well i can see his boat from mine then |
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| 17:35.59 | Mimmux | I am getting in trouble reinstalling Grub since it's very simple from any good boot cd, but mine is mapping my hdd as sda while the installed system calls it hd0 of course, so grub.install doesn't work |
| 17:36.25 | Mimmux | I am afraid we're about to sink |
| 17:36.30 | jelly-home | Mimmux: that's normal and not the reason for a install-grub failure |
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| 17:37.41 | jelly-home | Mimmux: grub nomenclature is always hd0, hd1... regardless of the storage cotroller used (pata, sata, scsi, sas) |
| 17:37.48 | Mimmux | jelly-home: in fact I was suspecting bios-failure instead, since on another machine the same command worked perfectly |
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| 17:38.12 | Mimmux | oh ok, I see |
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| 17:38.18 | Stephan_ | Hi. When I first boot my system the wireless driver is "activated but not in use". How can I enable the driver and put it in use on the system startup? |
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| 17:38.49 | jelly-home | Mimmux: you could try showing the command you ran and the complete output. |
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| 17:39.55 | Mimmux | jelly-home: anyway, could you please explain me step by step how to move my /boot section of my Deb Lenny from partition 1 to partition 0? Are 100MB enough for it? |
| 17:40.32 | Mimmux | the command was something like grub-install -forcelba hd0 |
| 17:40.51 | jamon | Mimmux: any reason you can't just set xda2 bootable? |
| 17:41.30 | Mimmux | jamon: good question, I'll show you immediately |
| 17:41.31 | jelly-home | Mimmux: it probably is. Pastebin the current output of "cat /proc/partitions", "mount" and "sfdisk -d /dev/sda" (or hda, whatever your boot disk is) |
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| 17:41.56 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 17:41.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 17:42.14 | Dillizar | hmm |
| 17:42.25 | Mimmux | jelly-home: it's too bad I am at work now and this is not my Deb sys, it's a MS one :-(( |
| 17:42.36 | Dillizar | how can i connect to adsl sudo pppoeconf doesnt work |
| 17:42.50 | Mimmux | please don't get angry with me :-( |
| 17:43.22 | Mimmux | I am trying to get as much preliminary info as I can and then try |
| 17:43.26 | Silver | is it even possible to use the debian installer t reinstall grub? |
| 17:43.58 | Mimmux | Silver: yes, form the console you can launch after hardware detection |
| 17:44.16 | jelly-home | Mimmux: oh. Call back when you get access to the system in question, then. |
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| 17:45.13 | Mimmux | jelly-home: please help me with explaining how to move my /boot to the smaller partition and install Grub on it to boot the bigger partition with the rest of the Deb system on it |
| 17:45.33 | Mimmux | it would be very useful to me to try with that step |
| 17:45.36 | Dillizar | !dsl |
| 17:45.36 | dpkg | from memory, dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux @ irc.freenode.net (ask me about <based on debian>) |
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| 17:46.05 | Dillizar | how can i connect to adsl ??? |
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| 17:47.02 | Dillizar | ok its a simple wuestion how to connect to internet |
| 17:47.20 | HSNews | I Install Debian onto USB-Flash, but GRUB install to Hard Drive ((( how to install grub on USBflash? |
| 17:47.32 | HSNews | or I need to reinstall Debian? :((( |
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| 17:48.45 | Dillizar | !internet |
| 17:48.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, internet is An internet is any set of interconnected networks. The Internet is the largest internet in the world. It is an extensive worldwide computer network made up of thousands of other, smaller business, academic, and government networks. http://www.advogato.org/proj/internet/, or known as cyberspace. It is where I live dpkg |
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| 17:49.22 | abrotman | !tell Dillizar about msg the bot |
| 17:49.29 | jelly-home | Mimmux: in general, you'd resize/move the first partition a bit to make space for /boot, create a small first partition, mkfs, mount it, copy the data from current /boot and add it to /etc/fstab, remount in /boot, then reinstall your boot manager |
| 17:49.31 | Mimmux | jamon: the way I worked was this: I installed Debian on a Win Xp disk and configured grub to load ntfs partition by choice. It worked fine. Cloning to a bigger disk, the ability to boot to ntfs disappeared but I was stil able to boot Debian ext3l |
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| 17:49.46 | Dillizar | abrotman: can you tell me how to conncet to internet PLS |
| 17:49.58 | abrotman | plug in the cable .. voila |
| 17:50.03 | Stephan_ | ok |
| 17:50.04 | Dillizar | abrotman: adsl |
| 17:50.08 | Stephan_ | back to windows you guys are useless with help |
| 17:50.11 | abrotman | Dillizar: use pppoeconf ? |
| 17:50.17 | Dillizar | deosnt work |
| 17:50.28 | abrotman | then give us more details .. |
| 17:50.28 | Dillizar | i am not a sudo smt user |
| 17:50.36 | abrotman | Dillizar: which version of linux ? |
| 17:50.39 | Dillizar | 5 |
| 17:50.42 | Mimmux | jamon: then I needed to invert Debian and WinXP partitions, puttin Win on the first one, to make Win bootable again |
| 17:50.48 | Dillizar | debian 5 abrotman |
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| 17:51.05 | abrotman | Dillizar: do you have a router? or just connect right to the modem? |
| 17:51.37 | jamon | Mimmux: i see, and you've tried a grub entry for windows right? |
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| 17:51.44 | Dillizar | Dillizar: no just modem i try sudo ppoeconf i put the pass but i have "you are not a sudo user or smt like that |
| 17:51.58 | abrotman | i don't have DSL .. |
| 17:52.06 | Mimmux | jamon: and so I lost the ability to boot Debian, of course: selecting that partition makes the "grub" word to appear on the screen and then everything stops. That's the reason |
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| 17:52.44 | jamon | ah gotcha Mimmux |
| 17:52.58 | Mimmux | jelly-home: thanx, I have already resized the partitions and created the first small one, I need to follow next steps now |
| 17:53.25 | gps23 | hi, my audacious isn't showing up, getting messages of the sort - (audacious:11387): GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixbuf_get_colorspace: assertion `GDK_IS_PIXBUF (pixbuf)' failed |
| 17:53.29 | Sebby_BNC | hi is there anny aplication or script wich can decript a UNIX cripted text ? |
| 17:53.31 | Mimmux | jamon, I tried even GAG bootloader in the final phase of my desperation |
| 17:53.40 | gps23 | someone please tell me how to correct this thing |
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| 17:54.15 | gps23 | something similar is happening to rx-filer, icons are shown as red with error - (rox:11376): WARNING **: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/share/rox/images/rox-xattr.png |
| 17:54.20 | sepult | Sebby_BNC: dos2unix ? unix2dos ? |
| 17:54.26 | gps23 | rox-filer i mean |
| 17:54.31 | sepult | Sebby_BNC: to get rid of the \r\n ?? |
| 17:54.44 | jamon | Mimmux: there's an mbr tool in debian, likely gparted/clonedisk livecds would have it |
| 17:54.54 | Mimmux | jamon: I think it's exactly a matter of BIOS limit |
| 17:55.20 | jamon | hence swapping partitions, got it |
| 17:55.35 | Sebby_BNC | is a password generated using the OS .. don`t know exactly how for an ircd |
| 17:56.05 | Sebby_BNC | i think like passwords from shadow |
| 17:56.07 | Mimmux | jamon: now my MBR works fine, it's just Grub stage 2 on the Deb partition which doesn't start when called by GAG |
| 17:56.23 | Mimmux | (or by a Grub line in MBR) |
| 17:57.06 | sepult | Sebby_BNC: heh, i'm sure there's a way, but it maybe very inefficient <-> takes big time maybe |
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| 17:57.21 | Mimmux | but someone told me that a way to solve the problem was to boot the /boot section from an initial partition with Grub |
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| 17:58.14 | Mimmux | and then have Grub engine able to boot any partition even beyond bios' limits |
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| 17:58.34 | jelly-home | Mimmux: you'd use a livecd to create a filesystem for /boot (eg. mke2fs /dev/sda1), mount your root partition somewhere, mount the new /boot somewhere, copy the contents of /your/root/boot/* to /your/new/boot, add a line for /boot in /your/root/etc/fstab, and reinstall grub |
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| 18:00.09 | Mimmux | jelly-home: very good, this is what sounds right |
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| 18:00.55 | jelly-home | Mimmux: in grub, you'd then use (hd0,0) (your /boot filesystem) as its root partition. |
| 18:01.09 | Mimmux | I am copying all our conversation on my USB stick to try it later at home |
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| 18:03.06 | Mimmux | Do you think I should continue to use Grub 0.97? |
| 18:03.39 | HSNews | People, how to install GRUB onto USB-Flash, for booting from Flash drive? |
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| 18:04.20 | jelly-home | Mimmux: I see no reason no change the boot manager. |
| 18:04.29 | jelly-home | to* change it |
| 18:04.57 | jelly-home | HSNews: what have you tried so far? |
| 18:05.11 | Mimmux | jelly-home: I meant trying with grub-2, they are talking about it in the last times |
| 18:05.29 | jelly-home | Mimmux: "I see no reason to change the boot manager." |
| 18:05.30 | Mimmux | I havent't tried it yet |
| 18:05.42 | Mimmux | oh ok :-) |
| 18:07.10 | jelly-home | Mimmux: there are probably a lot of places that tell you the procedure for moving to separate /boot; a cursory google search reveals eg. http://tekguru.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/howto-moving-boot-to-its-own-partition/ |
| 18:07.42 | Mimmux | jelly-home: great! I'll have a look at it also |
| 18:07.44 | jelly-home | Mimmux: http://www.google.com/search?q=separate+%2Fboot+debian+howto+OR+tutorial |
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| 18:08.28 | Mimmux | but you know, it's always something warmer to listen to the LIVE suggestions in the chat... ;-) |
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| 18:09.03 | jelly-home | Mimmux: it's also insulting to the helpers not to do own homework first! :-> |
| 18:09.07 | Mimmux | I'll try with it after supper tonight, and then I'll make you know someway |
| 18:10.01 | Mimmux | :-( yes but... I'm an absolute beginner, and italian too... (two negative factors, ehehehe!) |
| 18:10.11 | jelly-home | !it |
| 18:10.11 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:11.03 | Mimmux | nooooo dpkg bot, thanx but I'd invite you to try it if you really needed help... Try it and beware of it! |
| 18:12.26 | Mimmux | I see the difference between debian-it topics and debian ones: it's identical to the difference between Italy and the rest of the world... While we play, the rest work! |
| 18:13.03 | Mimmux | So thank you people, your hard work in helping me in extremely appreciated |
| 18:13.09 | Mimmux | *is |
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| 18:14.58 | Mimmux | See you next time, now I'm going to do my homework. And laughing at the past, I didn't know anything else from MS till six months ago! I am making progresses |
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| 18:15.01 | Mimmux | bye bye |
| 18:15.37 | jelly-home | cheers |
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| 18:18.18 | obso1337 | i've got this ancient genuine 386 machine here that i'm on now, using debian 1.3.1... i am having a bit of an issue though. the main purpose of this computer is to run an IRCd. |
| 18:18.37 | obso1337 | i've been using the "ircd" package and it works fine, but the 9 char nick limit is unacceptable |
| 18:18.46 | obso1337 | so i edited the source to allow up to 33 |
| 18:19.14 | obso1337 | but the problem is i can't compile it. i have gcc installed, but when compiling it does a GCC test first to make sure it can build executables |
| 18:19.18 | obso1337 | and it fails |
| 18:19.21 | obso1337 | any ideas? |
| 18:19.40 | pickcoder | obso1337: not without the errors |
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| 18:20.16 | obso1337 | all it tells me is "testing if gcc can make execsa.... no" then quits |
| 18:20.22 | obso1337 | is there an option i can use to get more details? |
| 18:20.28 | jelly-home | obso1337: sure, we have lots of ideas, but the one that comes to mind is "upgrade" :-> |
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| 18:20.47 | obso1337 | haha yeah i know it's junk these days |
| 18:21.02 | obso1337 | you dont need much power to run an ircd though |
| 18:21.06 | obso1337 | at least not a small scale one |
| 18:21.22 | jelly-home | no, but Debian bo is a wee bit old. |
| 18:21.43 | obso1337 | it only has 4 MB of RAM i can't get any newer version of deb on here lol |
| 18:21.59 | obso1337 | i gotta say, it runs surpisingly fast somehow. |
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| 18:23.02 | abrotman | that's not true |
| 18:23.11 | hark | !cannot create executables |
| 18:23.11 | dpkg | i heard cannot create executables is The error "C compiler cannot create executables" means you need to install build-essential. If you're using the AMD64 port, you may also need to install ia32-libs, ia32-libs-dev, libc6-dev and libc6-dev-i386 .. also check that your versions of gcc, g++, and libc6 are the latest. |
| 18:23.33 | obso1337 | great info there... i'll try that! |
| 18:23.38 | jelly-home | obso1337: just for kicks, what does dpkg -l libc5 libc6 |tail -2 say? |
| 18:24.03 | russian_ulysses | Hello, people ;) My sound suddenly stop working :) MPlayer says that /dev/dsp is busy, but sudo lsof /dev/dsp doesn't show any owning processes. Why is it? |
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| 18:24.06 | obso1337 | abrotman: i know newer ones say 4 MB is okay, but when i tried deb 2.0 i can't even get to the login before it runs out of memory |
| 18:24.15 | obso1337 | ok jelly-home i'll try it now |
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| 18:25.13 | riot | how do i tell make-kpkg to use make with -j5? |
| 18:25.15 | jelly-home | obso1337: you might want to try some specialized distro for embedded machines, that uses uClibc instead of glibc |
| 18:25.50 | abrotman | riot: man kernel-pkg |
| 18:25.52 | abrotman | erm |
| 18:25.54 | abrotman | riot: man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 18:26.04 | jelly-home | riot: man make-kpkg will tell you, search for CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
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| 18:26.24 | riot | aah, thanksalot :) |
| 18:26.34 | riot | shall read manpages before asking... |
| 18:26.40 | russian_ulysses | Or how can I fix it and restore my sound-card capabilities? |
| 18:26.56 | obso1337 | it's working now jelly-home... give it a min while this beast of a CPU crunches those numbers :P |
| 18:27.00 | riot | i read the help at least, but it didn't mention that *g* |
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| 18:27.10 | maxagaz | sans and serif are special fonts or are they generic names to which point to some fonts ? |
| 18:27.12 | obso1337 | in the mnean time i'm gonna go get a cup of coffee |
| 18:27.16 | jelly-home | obso1337: it's not the cpu, it's the disk swapping. |
| 18:27.44 | jelly-home | obso1337: do yourself a favor and find a 486 on some junkyard! |
| 18:27.46 | jetscreamer | generic iirc |
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| 18:29.28 | obso1337 | yeah the swapping does kill. this entire machine basically is run on the swap partition... the actual RAM has about enough room for the kernel and maybe a daemon or two |
| 18:29.35 | obso1337 | ok here we go |
| 18:30.06 | obso1337 | libc5 5.4.33-6 The Linux C library version blah blah blah |
| 18:30.08 | obso1337 | then |
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| 18:30.23 | obso1337 | un libc6 <none> (no description available) |
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| 18:30.57 | obso1337 | i guess i should install libc6 and build-essential? |
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| 18:32.07 | azeem_ | obso1337: if you don'Ã't have libc6 it ain't Debian |
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| 18:32.55 | azeem | obso1337: oh, Debian 1.3.1, tough look |
| 18:33.22 | obso1337 | azeem_: i didn't let it anything install other than the raw base set of software because of the CPU and RAM so maybe that's why it's not there |
| 18:33.38 | obso1337 | somewhere, patrick stewart just facepalmed. |
| 18:33.43 | azeem | obso1337: it's not there because 1.3.1 is pre-historic |
| 18:33.59 | azeem | obso1337: and not supported since 10 years ago |
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| 18:34.19 | obso1337 | that may have something to do with it, but the source i'm compiling was downloaded from the 1.3.1 source repository so there shouldn't be any issues. |
| 18:34.40 | obso1337 | anyway this computer isn't going to be some beastly server... it's just going to host an IRC server for 10-20 people |
| 18:34.43 | obso1337 | it's enough |
| 18:35.01 | azeem | apparently not |
| 18:35.06 | azeem | or you wouldn't have to recompile |
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| 18:35.29 | obso1337 | i dont HAVE to recompile, i just edited the source to allow 33 chars in a nick instead of 9 which is awful |
| 18:35.33 | azeem | obso1337: I guess with 1.3.1, you will have to figure out which packages you need manually |
| 18:35.38 | obso1337 | the pre-built .deb works |
| 18:35.52 | azeem | obso1337: and htne? How do you deploy it without a recompile? |
| 18:36.01 | jelly-home | obso1337: we didn't have 33 characters in nicks in 1995! |
| 18:36.08 | jelly-home | We had 9 and we liked it! |
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| 18:36.13 | obso1337 | lol |
| 18:36.27 | jelly-home | hell, EFNet still has that limit. |
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| 18:37.09 | obso1337 | this box also runs apache 1.1 -- not using it to make a web server, but i tried it out of curiosity to see how it runs on a syustem like this |
| 18:37.24 | obso1337 | it's absolutely instant request responses somehow |
| 18:37.35 | obso1337 | php would be another issue entirely -.- |
| 18:37.44 | jelly-home | obso1337: I suggest using a virtual machine to rebuild software for that OS. |
| 18:37.50 | obso1337 | i did jelly |
| 18:37.53 | obso1337 | :P |
| 18:38.04 | jelly-home | give it more than 4MB, too. |
| 18:38.07 | obso1337 | i built it, moved the exec over and it wouldnt run |
| 18:38.55 | jelly-home | obso1337: "wouldnt run" is a bit nondescriptive |
| 18:39.28 | obso1337 | well it acts like it runs, but then i try to connect and can't. i do ps -aux and there's no sign of the process being alive |
| 18:39.55 | jelly-home | sounds like it's going to be fun debugging 12yr old software! |
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| 18:40.28 | jelly-home | obso1337: I guess you could try getting a newer ircd source to build on it |
| 18:41.11 | obso1337 | yep... if i can't get it working by tomorrow, it's time for a console-install of lenny on a pentium 1 ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
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| 18:41.49 | d0uglas | hi |
| 18:41.50 | jelly-home | it's your time to waste. |
| 18:41.52 | azeem | or get a linksys router on ebay and use that or something |
| 18:42.00 | d0uglas | my server's clock is about .16 seconds slow a minute, four minutes a day. Do I need to change that little battery, is Linux possibly acting up or should i just make an ntpdate script that runs ever few minutes? |
| 18:42.24 | obso1337 | i have nothing better to do today, and would kind of funny to be able to say i'm using a 386 for a server. and i'm bored. so why not? |
| 18:42.39 | jelly-home | d0uglas: install ntp |
| 18:42.54 | azeem | obso1337: ok, but please try not to waste people's time in here too mcuh |
| 18:42.55 | azeem | much* |
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| 18:43.16 | d0uglas | well i've got it and i fire up ntpdate now and then .. if i manned ntp would i find something about hwo to set it to do it on its own regularly? |
| 18:43.18 | obso1337 | jeez sorry azeem... i thought this place was to get help. |
| 18:43.33 | azeem | obso1337: it's to get help for the supported Debian versions |
| 18:43.35 | d0uglas | oh wait no i don't have it |
| 18:43.36 | azeem | i.e. stable and testing |
| 18:43.43 | obso1337 | didn't see that written anywhere but ok |
| 18:43.53 | obso1337 | anyway, i'm out |
| 18:43.55 | obso1337 | .. thanks jelly-home |
| 18:43.56 | jelly-home | d0uglas: "i've got it"... so, "ntp" package is installer? |
| 18:43.58 | azeem | well |
| 18:44.01 | jelly-home | installed*? |
| 18:44.15 | jelly-home | oh right |
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| 18:44.52 | d0uglas | it hadn't been but it is now and it's running. not quite sure what it's doing exactly but it's running and i assume the case is closed |
| 18:44.58 | d0uglas | so thank you kindly |
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| 18:45.27 | d0uglas | just out of curiosity, does this sound like a hardware thing? low on juice in that battery? i mean, four minutes a day ... |
| 18:45.34 | d0uglas | but glad apt-get came to the rescue |
| 18:45.52 | Dreamlinux | hi folks :) |
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| 18:47.55 | Schuenemann | hi |
| 18:48.13 | Chris7mas | HAI ROMANIA!!! |
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| 18:55.36 | enouf | blow me |
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| 18:56.23 | enouf | (uncalled for i know, but apropos) sorry ... |
| 18:57.16 | azeem | enouf: what? |
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| 18:57.49 | enouf | please ignore me - i apologized .. |
| 18:57.52 | Schuenemann | how can I create a keybind so ctrl alt esc calls xkill? |
| 18:58.05 | azeem | enouf: I wonder why you think it was apropos, rather |
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| 18:58.49 | enouf | azeem: no special reason .. just this whole "HI! i'm here! ..." thing gets to me sometimes i guess |
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| 18:59.14 | azeem | oh my |
| 18:59.39 | enouf | well - i've been out all day - i come here to try and help .. and it's slow :-( |
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| 18:59.56 | ajavid | enouf, be cool |
| 19:00.19 | enouf | ajavid: you! .. you go to your channel! .. then we'll talk there you _______ :-p |
| 19:00.25 | broadcomFAIL | hi! what's the best way to install a broadcom chipset now? with the fwcutter? |
| 19:00.36 | ajavid | broadcomFAIL, /msg dpkg b43 |
| 19:00.38 | enouf | broadcomFAIL: which one? |
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| 19:01.04 | enouf | broadcomFAIL: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 19:01.13 | ajavid | old, legacy |
| 19:01.19 | ajavid | b43 is for new stuff |
| 19:01.31 | ajavid | bcm43 is for old stuff, fairly old |
| 19:01.34 | broadcomFAIL | ajavid: it's a dell mini 12. go test with the b43 fwcutter |
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| 19:01.42 | jakuub | hi |
| 19:01.43 | ajavid | use b43 |
| 19:01.55 | jakuub | i have problem in KDE with keyboard layout, im clicking but keyboard doesn`t change |
| 19:01.57 | broadcomFAIL | I don't have it at aptitude search, Do I must add any source? |
| 19:02.00 | jakuub | anyone know where is problem ? |
| 19:02.02 | simonrvn | isn't the bcm43xx driver being phased out in fasvour of b43 anyway? |
| 19:02.02 | enouf | ajavid: bothered to look at the URL info? |
| 19:02.10 | simonrvn | favour* |
| 19:02.58 | simonrvn | jakuub: you're "clicking"? clicking what? |
| 19:02.58 | enouf | jakuub: clicking what? and why? |
| 19:03.02 | ajavid | enouf, not really, don't care. |
| 19:03.23 | enouf | ajavid: then .. don't be so quick to ... nm ... |
| 19:03.29 | ajavid | enouf, you need to chill |
| 19:03.36 | ajavid | so take a chill pill |
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| 19:03.41 | enouf | i'm going to have dpkg smack you in a minute |
| 19:03.45 | ajavid | before I go midevil on your hiney! |
| 19:03.57 | enouf | oh my .. what spelling .. :-P |
| 19:04.02 | ajavid | go away :) |
| 19:04.22 | enouf | go to your channel! (to continue your nonsense) |
| 19:04.35 | jakuub | i`m clicking down to the panel where is keyboard layout tool |
| 19:04.39 | ajavid | sorry i spend my time in the zend framework these days ;) |
| 19:04.45 | jakuub | it worked but i upgraded system and it`s in SHIT |
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| 19:08.33 | Chris7mas | nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
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| 19:10.21 | wpgmb | I want to run a stable 64bit desktop on a decently beefy system. My main packages are Gimp and Office, both of which I usually want the latest version. Is there a big difference in stability running Lenny with some Squeeze packages vs pure Squeeze? |
| 19:10.24 | enouf | jakuub: what's a panel? |
| 19:10.38 | cantido | wpgmb: you'll get library issues |
| 19:10.45 | jakuub | left down :D |
| 19:10.50 | jakuub | ehm right down |
| 19:11.07 | jakuub | i have there keyboard layout tool |
| 19:11.11 | wpgmb | cantido: running mixed versions, you mean? |
| 19:11.16 | jakuub | but i can`t change layout i click, icon change but layout not |
| 19:11.23 | enouf | wpgmb: generally, if you run Stable you'd backport from unstable if possible |
| 19:11.36 | cantido | wpgmb: stuff in testing/unstable will be built against those library versions.. |
| 19:11.59 | enouf | jakuub: seems like some DE issue - KDE or GNOME or XFCE -- try setxkbmap |
| 19:12.08 | jakuub | KDE |
| 19:12.19 | enouf | jakuub: ok - kcontrol then |
| 19:12.27 | enouf | go in there and sort it |
| 19:12.31 | jakuub | i |
| 19:12.33 | jakuub | have it here |
| 19:12.37 | jakuub | i have all settings right |
| 19:12.41 | wpgmb | Allright. Then my next question: is Squeeze "stable" enough to run on a not-so critical system? |
| 19:12.55 | jakuub | but some bug or wtf |
| 19:12.55 | cantido | wpgmb: what do you mean by "stable" |
| 19:12.59 | enouf | jakuub: maybe this time you logged in as a default or your non-regular user? |
| 19:13.06 | jakuub | it worked |
| 19:13.16 | jakuub | before i upgraded system |
| 19:13.26 | cantido | wpgmb: your idea of "stable" is probably not Debian's "stable" |
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| 19:13.27 | enouf | jakuub: which kde? 3.5.x? or 4.x? |
| 19:13.29 | jakuub | 3.5.x |
| 19:13.32 | wpgmb | "stable" = Lenny, I know. What I mean to say is, is Squeeze (testing, right?) reliable enough? |
| 19:13.54 | enouf | jakuub: well you said you upgraded recently? from what to what? |
| 19:13.56 | cantido | wpgmb: debian stable == packages don't change, != does not crash |
| 19:14.08 | wpgmb | cantido: I understand. It's "just" my home system ;) |
| 19:14.13 | jakuub | enouf: dont know apt-get upgrade; -) |
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| 19:14.38 | enouf | wpgmb: just after release of a new Stable release, testing and unstable can be quite volatile |
| 19:14.45 | cantido | wpgmb: reliability is going to be made up of many factors. if you have broken hardware it'd only be stable turned off for example |
| 19:15.10 | jakuub | i used google |
| 19:15.20 | jakuub | there are alot of situations same as mine |
| 19:15.23 | enouf | jakuub: that commad will pay attention to what you have in sources.list - so that's the important bit |
| 19:15.26 | jakuub | but no solve |
| 19:15.28 | wpgmb | cantido: so - I don't really have a choice if I want to run ie. Gimp 2.6.x and Openoffice 3.x.... |
| 19:15.35 | jakuub | enouf: i know |
| 19:15.56 | enouf | jakuub: is a proprietary video binary blob involved at all? |
| 19:15.57 | icebrain | wm4: I didn't had any problems with Sid |
| 19:16.03 | cantido | wpgmb: you can run testing/unstable if you are able to resolve the issues that'll happen by doing so.. or use backports |
| 19:16.06 | jakuub | yes i have prop. video binary |
| 19:16.06 | jakuub | ;-) |
| 19:16.07 | icebrain | wm4: been using since last year |
| 19:16.13 | jakuub | nvidia |
| 19:16.14 | enouf | how about a VM? or even Screen? does it only happen in X? |
| 19:16.21 | enouf | grah.. |
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| 19:16.52 | wpgmb | I guess what I'm looking for is the usual impossibility: latest packages with the most stability :P |
| 19:16.58 | enouf | the space shuttle has landed safely - whoopie - there goes another few hundred billion for no reason |
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| 19:16.58 | icebrain | wpgmb: I didn't had any problems with Sid, been running since March '08 |
| 19:17.29 | wpgmb |  icebrain: whooo - risky stuff, no? |
| 19:17.47 | cantido | wpgmb: but what do you mean by stability |
| 19:18.08 | icebrain | wpgmb: well, I do daily "important stuff" backups and weekly "all system" backups, but didn't had to use them so far |
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| 19:18.24 | enouf | icebrain: when did you last upgrade? and did you try ~ the time lenny was released? |
| 19:18.29 | wpgmb | cantido: stable enough for day to day tasks. I don't mind an occasional fix, but severely broken packages would tick me off |
| 19:18.32 | boch | anyone build a gcc based cross compiler on debian ?? |
| 19:18.40 | cantido | wpgmb: so use testing then |
| 19:19.02 | enouf | right now, testing will be almost in the same boat .. |
| 19:19.07 | wpgmb | thanks all... I'm going to change my laptop to testing, and If I like it, the desktop follows suit |
| 19:19.07 | apt | wpgmb: no problem |
| 19:19.14 | cantido | enouf: two week safety buffer though |
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| 19:19.27 | wpgmb | thanks, and see ya! |
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| 19:19.35 | icebrain | enouf: I've been upgrading daily, if the updates appear.... |
| 19:19.49 | enouf | apt: why were you triggered? |
| 19:19.50 | apt | why not? |
| 19:20.16 | enouf | icebrain: ok - you're on top of things then .. that works |
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| 19:20.25 | Schuenemann | how can I create a keybind so ctrl alt esc calls xkill? |
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| 19:20.43 | Iradieh | How do I add a user and lock him inside /home/user ? and only access is with SFTP ? |
| 19:20.45 | enouf | icebrain: and most imporatantly - you're ready/able to deal with brokeness |
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| 19:21.17 | enouf | Iradieh: use xen or similar |
| 19:21.30 | Iradieh | enouf: how? |
| 19:21.34 | icebrain | enouf: sure, rsync'ing has saved me before :P |
| 19:21.51 | enouf | icebrain: heh - backups do help ;-) |
| 19:22.17 | jakuub | anyoe know solve? |
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| 19:23.09 | enouf | jakuub: not offhand, not enough info for me - try ##linux maybe |
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| 19:26.03 | kunal | hi. i am trying to install debian . i get an error sayin no root file ssytem is defind. please correct this from the partioning menu. |
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| 19:27.16 | kunal | i gave the use as ext3 file ssy. mountpoint houe . mout otion is noatime label is linux. reserbed block is 5% . typical usage is standard and bootable flag is on. |
| 19:27.48 | phobos_anomaly | kunal: the root partitions should be defined as / not . |
| 19:28.34 | jakuub | enouf: normally, keyboard layout switching doesnt working |
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| 19:29.36 | mrbnet | Could anyone explain how the /ro and /rw file mounts work for in voyage linux? |
| 19:29.36 | kunal | phobos_anomaly:thnx |
| 19:30.34 | simonrvn | mrbnet: why would we in #debian know that? |
| 19:30.40 | phobos_anomaly | kunal: np |
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| 19:32.19 | mrbnet | simonrvn: I though since it was based on debian for embedded systems. Someone here might have worked with it. Finding a lack of other support available. |
| 19:33.33 | simonrvn | tried #voyage, or #emdebian on oftc? |
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| 19:35.12 | maxagaz | how to list all available languages, to change the value of the variable LANG ? |
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| 19:35.59 | mrbnet | simonrvn: thx |
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| 19:36.42 | CapaH | Question, I am trying to create an ad-hoc network. My wifi interface is ath0 - I typed: sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc essid supertest channel 6 <-- What I am getting back is: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) Any ideas? |
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| 19:39.23 | jakuub | http://sidux.com/PNphpBB2-printview-t-14734-start-0.html |
| 19:39.24 | icebrain | have you disabled the interface first (ifdown wlan0) ? |
| 19:39.24 | jakuub | mmmm |
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| 19:39.29 | jakuub | same problem as here: http://sidux.com/PNphpBB2-printview-t-14734-start-0.html |
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| 19:41.32 | icebrain | maxagaz: locale -a |
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| 19:42.27 | maxagaz | icebrain, thanks :) |
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| 19:51.54 | metalfan_ | hi |
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| 20:02.34 | russian_ulysses | Can anyone suggest some fast way to restore characters in filenames downloaded with wget with no --restrict-filenames. For example, some cyrillic symbols in such filenames will be changed to something like ?%80. Or, may be you can tell what stands for ? in such filename. Currently script I wrote for this task chokes on these ? symbols. |
| 20:02.55 | Sebby_BNC | how can i decript a password wich is cripted on a Debian and looks like this $1$rVO1nMST$XkWmTVwVD53ex5J.y5NjT0 |
| 20:03.17 | Maulkin | You don't |
| 20:03.30 | Sebby_BNC | hmm? |
| 20:03.34 | Bullsway | probably a 1way encryption or salted... |
| 20:03.53 | openpercept | its a one-way encryption |
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| 20:04.09 | Bullsway | then ur best shot is looking it up in a database:) |
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| 20:04.31 | Sebby_BNC | what db |
| 20:04.47 | sepult | encrypt your salad with a little bit more salt... |
| 20:04.49 | sepult | lol |
| 20:04.52 | Bullsway | ^_^ |
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| 20:05.12 | Bullsway | if its md5 |
| 20:05.15 | Bullsway | wich i guess it is... |
| 20:05.17 | Maulkin | See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_hash_function |
| 20:05.19 | patrikf | both, actually. MD5, salted with rVO1nMST |
| 20:05.40 | lordnazgul | anyone know of a script or package that manages minicom rc files. I'm looking for some console based menu that will scan a dir for all of the minirc files, and present me with a menu that will let me select and start minicom with the specified connection. |
| 20:05.49 | careta | I have this stupid icon on the tray saying "Your update information is outdated. This may be caused by network problems. Please update manually by clicking on this icon and then selection Check." I've done it quite a few times, it disappears, but when i hibernate and resume it comes back. i've also tried aptitude update and upgrade and same thing happens. what can i do? |
| 20:06.21 | Bullsway | Sebby_BNC: milw0rm has a large md5 hash database try ur luck there.. |
| 20:06.38 | renga | hi, I am trying to set a mirror with ftpsync and I get "@ERROR: Unknown module 'ftp' " some can help me? |
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| 20:06.49 | patrikf | careta: what application is displaying that icon? |
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| 20:07.21 | careta | the update manager in gnome, deb lenny |
| 20:07.42 | patrikf | careta: there is no "update manager" |
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| 20:08.14 | careta | update-notifier |
| 20:08.53 | parsonsd | careta : i have one in lenny's default gnome called nm-applet |
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| 20:09.33 | patrikf | parsonsd: huh? that's network-manager. nothing to do with software updates. |
| 20:09.34 | careta | thats network manager |
| 20:10.10 | Schuenemann | how can I make debian's nautilus look like ubuntu's? I want that directory tree in the left side |
| 20:10.16 | parsonsd | patrikf - oop, sorry -- yes, i 've seen the icon - looks like a little flower or something |
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| 20:10.28 | patrikf | careta: well... I don't know that application; if you wanted to disable it entirely, you can probably do so in the gnome session settings |
| 20:10.47 | patrikf | Schuenemann: view -> side bar? |
| 20:10.56 | parsonsd | i'd like iceweasel to see gnash... |
| 20:11.32 | Schuenemann | patrikf, there isn't that option |
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| 20:11.59 | patrikf | Schuenemann: F9? |
| 20:12.09 | Schuenemann | patrikf, does nothing |
| 20:12.20 | parsonsd | i keep restarting iw, and i still get the default swfdec. t hier prolly related apps so it own't make any diff, but now that it's installed, i'd *wish* that iw would recognize it as a plugin |
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| 20:13.06 | Schuenemann | patrikf, does it work for you? |
| 20:13.09 | patrikf | Schuenemann: ah. go to preferences, second tab, select "use browser windows" (or something like that, I'm translating back from german) |
| 20:14.04 | Schuenemann | patrikf, under behaviour? |
| 20:14.09 | patrikf | yeah |
| 20:14.14 | parsonsd | where does the gnash plugin get dropped |
| 20:14.15 | parsonsd | ? |
| 20:14.53 | Schuenemann | patrikf, thanks! The text is horrible (perhaps bad translation) |
| 20:14.53 | patrikf | parsonsd: dpkg -L mozilla-plugin-gnash |
| 20:15.01 | Schuenemann | I would never check that lol |
| 20:15.21 | patrikf | yeah... it's quite well-hidden |
| 20:15.34 | parsonsd | patrikf - thanks, i wouldn't have thought to have looked at /usr/share/mozilla-* |
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| 20:19.37 | project2501a | hi. where is the icedove init dir ? |
| 20:19.41 | project2501a | rc dir, even |
| 20:19.47 | project2501a | can't find it in my home folder |
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| 20:21.12 | patrikf | project2501a: .mozilla/ probably (might as well be called thunderbird) |
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| 20:21.23 | project2501a | patrikf: thanks mate |
| 20:21.56 | project2501a | fuck it, i'll just copy the entire mozilla directory from the computer at work |
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| 20:24.47 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 20:25.12 | Thomaschaaf | hey guys I added auto eth1 iface eth1 inet dhcp to my /etc/network/interfaces but after a reboot only eth0 is up |
| 20:25.15 | rindolf | I'm using Debian Lenny inside a VM. I uninstalled some packages and dpkg-query -W still shows them. How can I prevent that fact? |
| 20:25.26 | cantido | Thomaschaaf: did you add auto eth1? |
| 20:25.36 | Schuenemann | how can I change substitle size in mplayer? I tried setting subfont-text-scale in ~/.mplayer/config but it has no effect |
| 20:25.39 | Thomaschaaf | yes |
| 20:26.02 | project2501a | Thomaschaaf: do you have an eth1? |
| 20:26.12 | wm4 | Schuenemann: did you use subfont-text-scale? |
| 20:26.28 | Schuenemann | wm4, yes, the size remains the same |
| 20:26.35 | Thomaschaaf | project2501a: this is what it looks like: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2009-03-28_2126.png |
| 20:26.51 | wm4 | Schuenemann: is fontconfig enabled? what about ass? |
| 20:27.20 | project2501a | ass is good |
| 20:27.33 | Schuenemann | wm4, oh wait. It works, but only if I start via cli |
| 20:27.48 | Schuenemann | doesn't work with mplayer frontend |
| 20:27.57 | wm4 | Schuenemann: what frontend? |
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| 20:28.22 | Bryan92 | How can I delete each line in a file that starts with 7? |
| 20:28.26 | Bryan92 | can anyone explain me this how to do this in bash |
| 20:28.37 | Schuenemann | wm4, gmplayer |
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| 20:28.58 | wm4 | Schuenemann: that frontend is deprecated and not maintained anymore (AFAIK), don't use it |
| 20:29.12 | Schuenemann | wm4, why is it the default of apt, then? |
| 20:29.37 | wm4 | Schuenemann: "default"? I don't understand |
| 20:29.55 | Schuenemann | wm4, apt-get install mplayer brought me gmplayer |
| 20:30.23 | Thomaschaaf | and after a /etc/init.d/networking restart eth1 is up an running again.. |
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| 20:30.38 | Thomaschaaf | do I have to add the others somewhere? |
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| 20:30.53 | patrikf | Schuenemann: that sounds weird. |
| 20:31.05 | patrikf | mplayer doesn't recommend gmplayer, so it should just get you the CLI |
| 20:31.27 | patrikf | oh, wait, ignore what I said |
| 20:31.33 | patrikf | is using the debian-multimedia package |
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| 20:31.40 | Schuenemann | me too |
| 20:31.47 | parodyoflanguage | Hello, does anyone know anything about pairing bluetooth with your cell phone? |
| 20:31.47 | wm4 | Schuenemann: anyway, a better frontend would be smplayer |
| 20:31.53 | rindolf | I'm using Debian Lenny inside a VM. I uninstalled some packages and dpkg-query -W still shows them. How can I prevent that fact? |
| 20:31.56 | chattr | Bryan92, ' grep -v ^7 ' ? |
| 20:32.14 | Schuenemann | wm4, I will install it |
| 20:32.33 | chattr | Bryan92, then redirect output to a new file |
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| 20:32.36 | Schuenemann | is it worth using apt-build for that? |
| 20:32.50 | Frictor | How do I get wpa_supplicant without a network connection? (If it's on one of the install CDs, the disk number will be good enough, and I'm forced to the CD version) |
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| 20:33.16 | patrikf | rindolf: it will also list packages that were deinstalled, but not purged |
| 20:33.22 | patrikf | rindolf: i.e. the config files were left intact |
| 20:33.37 | rindolf | patrikf: OK - so how do I purge them. |
| 20:33.39 | rindolf | ? |
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| 20:33.49 | patrikf | rindolf: what do you want to achieve? |
| 20:34.06 | rindolf | patrikf: I don't want to see these packages in dpkg-query -W |
| 20:34.11 | rindolf | patrikf: I'm not interested in them. |
| 20:34.46 | patrikf | rindolf: maybe use "aptitude search '~i'" instead |
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| 20:36.57 | kunal | whats a good IRC app for debian? |
| 20:37.11 | Thomaschaaf | no suggestions? |
| 20:37.20 | kunal | i have a debain system infront of me |
| 20:37.27 | Schuenemann | kunal, for gnome? |
| 20:37.30 | kunal | yes |
| 20:37.33 | abrotman | kunal: irssi or xchat |
| 20:37.39 | kunal | ok thanks :) |
| 20:37.39 | Schuenemann | I think xchat is the most used |
| 20:37.44 | kunal | xchat then. |
| 20:37.44 | Schuenemann | although I don't like it much |
| 20:37.48 | kunal | why? |
| 20:38.00 | abrotman | just try it |
| 20:38.15 | Schuenemann | I think I got too used to kde's konversation. But try it anyway |
| 20:38.20 | Schuenemann | I'm using xchat now |
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| 20:38.57 | kunal | cant find xchat |
| 20:39.16 | Frictor | I like how you can log into a channel on xchat, and have the previous day's convo right there in front of you. |
| 20:39.21 | subsume | Can someone suggest a torrent client which scans a directory automatically for new torrents? |
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| 20:39.38 | wm4 | Schuenemann: and why aren't you using konversation anymore, if you liked that better? |
| 20:39.50 | hark | subsume: rtorrent |
| 20:39.51 | abrotman | subsume: there are quite a few .. pretty sure transmission does that |
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| 20:40.03 | subsume | rtorrent. thanks. I used it before, I dug it. |
| 20:40.11 | Schuenemann | kunal, apt-get install xchat |
| 20:40.20 | subsume | I'm looking to set friends up with drop-boxes for torrents. =) |
| 20:40.30 | Kissaki | am I blind or is there nothing on the documentation about folder structures? /etc/init.d is the start/stop scripts, right? And a link to them should be placed int rcX.d for auto-startup. But what folder is for what? |
| 20:40.31 | subsume | I'm hoping it can all be configured from a conf file |
| 20:40.39 | Schuenemann | wm4, does it work ok with gnome? I didn't like the way GTK applications looked and behaved in KDE |
| 20:40.43 | abrotman | !tell kunal about why aptitude |
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| 20:41.38 | myki | Hello. I have question concerning flock() scheme in linux. Is putting LOCK_EX on file the only way in linux kernel to lock file? Is it ok to write in manual "on this file (...) set the LOCK_EX lock using fcntl routines"? |
| 20:41.38 | wm4 | Schuenemann: why shouldn't it work... of course, it will look different |
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| 20:42.10 | rindolf | patrikf: thanks. |
| 20:42.18 | Schuenemann | wm4, they looked ugly and ran slowly |
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| 20:43.10 | wm4 | Schuenemann: you're saying GTK apps were running slow under KDE, but run normally in Gnome? |
| 20:43.20 | wm4 | myki: you might want to ask ##c |
| 20:43.23 | Kissaki | am I blind or is there nothing on the documentation about folder structures? /etc/init.d is the start/stop scripts, right? And a link to them should be placed int rcX.d for auto-startup. But what folder is for what? |
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| 20:44.00 | hark | Kissaki: /msg dpkg init.d |
| 20:44.03 | Schuenemann | wm4, yes. To my perception, their GUI was slower. Firefox and thunderbird, for example, were horrible to use |
| 20:44.41 | cantido | Kissaki: rc? are different run levles |
| 20:44.48 | Kissaki | hark: thanks |
| 20:46.33 | kunal | i can connect to internet fine. but i cant find the packages tho. |
| 20:46.33 | Goleo[66] | hi i want to recover deleted file and did this with sclapel and do this so what should i do to use recovered file? |
| 20:46.35 | kunal | any idea why? |
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| 20:47.03 | Schuenemann | kunal, post your sources.list |
| 20:47.04 | cantido | kunal: your sources are broken, could be a lot of things. |
| 20:47.04 | hark | kunal: check your sources.list |
| 20:47.35 | kunal | ok |
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| 20:48.38 | subsume | If I want rtorrent to start automatically using some conf file, should I just write a script that runs it on start up? |
| 20:48.46 | kunal | i think its the sources. i'll just keep 1 source |
| 20:48.48 | kunal | the popular one. |
| 20:48.59 | cantido | subsume: create an init script for it |
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| 20:49.17 | subsume | cantido: ok. lots of docs for that online. thanks buddy. |
| 20:49.41 | cantido | subsume: theres a skeleton script in /etc/init.d/ that'll show you how to do it |
| 20:50.31 | subsume | hot |
| 20:50.32 | subsume | red hot. |
| 20:50.33 | Schuenemann | wm4, hey, where in smplayer is the substitle size? The one in preferences > subtitles > font doesn't make a difference |
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| 20:50.51 | Goleo[66] | hi i want to recover deleted file and did this with sclapel and do this so what should i do to use recovered file? |
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| 20:51.17 | dinodi_ | hi |
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| 20:51.38 | cantido | Goleo[66]: deleted as in rm? |
| 20:51.52 | cantido | Goleo[66]: if so, you might not be able to recover it, depends on the fs |
| 20:52.00 | Goleo[66] | cantido, ext3 |
| 20:52.07 | abrotman | gone |
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| 20:52.09 | rtra | hi. I'm considering trying debian for the firs time, but first I need to know how difficult it will be to install okular in a stable release. Gentoo is giving me lots of headhaches with it. thanks. |
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| 20:52.22 | cantido | Goleo[66]: there's you answer |
| 20:52.48 | sts | hello folks! how can i resolve an "Size mismatch" error when installing a package? |
| 20:53.26 | sts | i'm building my own package, and i changed some stuff. so i suppose this is still cached with apt on my test machine |
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| 20:58.08 | Schuenemann | abrotman, can't RIP recover that? |
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| 20:58.43 | abrotman | !undelete |
| 20:58.43 | dpkg | Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" from menu. For ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and ask about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
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| 20:59.39 | cantido | I think the general idea is that if you want to keep the file, don't delete it. |
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| 21:01.36 | kunal | hey i got error using xchat - xchat:3383: gtk-WARNING**: cannot open display: |
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| 21:01.58 | cantido | kunal: you read the error before you pasted it here didn't you? |
| 21:02.23 | kunal | not sure. |
| 21:02.28 | kunal | maybe i should read it |
| 21:02.28 | cantido | kunal: funnily enough errors aren't written in some sort of code that only people here can read. |
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| 21:02.57 | kunal | cantido: sorry '___' |
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| 21:03.29 | kunal | ah ok |
| 21:03.29 | cantido | kunal: it says it cant open the display .. pretty simple really |
| 21:03.30 | kunal | got it . |
| 21:03.40 | kunal | sorry cantido. |
| 21:03.57 | kunal | i was thinking that it was going to be like finch. |
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| 21:04.48 | Goleo[66] | cantido, i have recovery file but i don't know what should i do! |
| 21:05.21 | Goleo[66] | cantido, in this file has like this : |
| 21:05.24 | Goleo[66] | File StartChopLengthExtracted From |
| 21:05.24 | Goleo[66] | 00000000.avi 7744122408YES 50000000hda3 |
| 21:05.35 | cantido | Yeah, that makes loads of sense to me |
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| 21:07.02 | kunal | cantido: chill man. |
| 21:07.03 | kunal | please. |
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| 21:07.16 | kunal | come on. i take you for a beer. |
| 21:07.20 | cantido | is perfectly chilled |
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| 21:07.25 | clancy | hi |
| 21:07.26 | kunal | you need a beer. |
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| 21:07.47 | clancy | i use now debian lenny and i wanted to know how campatible i'll be in the future with openoffice formats |
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| 21:08.07 | cantido | kunal: um, I have beer |
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| 21:08.25 | simonrvn | clancy: why would the distro version matter with that? |
| 21:08.25 | kunal | hi |
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| 21:08.30 | simonrvn | "compatible" |
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| 21:08.37 | Planet8 | clancy, compatible? |
| 21:08.43 | clancy | yes |
| 21:09.01 | cantido | clancy: that'd be up the oo devs.. I don't think they'll break backwards compatiability too soon though |
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| 21:09.11 | clancy | software is developed.....lenny is freezed |
| 21:09.21 | clancy | ok |
| 21:09.24 | simonrvn | clancy: lenny is *released*. |
| 21:09.37 | clancy | and what about MS office formats? |
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| 21:09.48 | cantido | clancy: that's up to MS |
| 21:09.48 | simonrvn | ...what about them.... |
| 21:09.57 | Planet8 | clancy, I fail to see why that has got anything to do with debian. don |
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| 21:10.17 | cantido | clancy: no one can tell them not to change their formats so that it doesn't upset you. |
| 21:10.25 | Planet8 | dont you mean whether oo will be backward compatible with older formats |
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| 21:11.16 | clancy | yeah, i want to know if i will be able to open openoffice files done with newer openoffice versions or with ms office |
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| 21:11.29 | Goleo[66] | hoe recover deleted filed in lenny? |
| 21:11.57 | Planet8 | clancy, and you thought this was the right channel? :) |
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| 21:12.17 | Planet8 | clancy, ask the people at openoffice |
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| 21:12.21 | cantido | clancy: newer versions of OO should be ok because the OO devs won't go and change their formats without thinking about it. If MS decide to change their formats thats up to them. |
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| 21:12.39 | clancy | ok |
| 21:12.42 | clancy | thank you |
| 21:12.57 | cantido | clancy: if you want to be sure save all your stuff as plain ascii or something |
| 21:13.04 | simonrvn | or rtf |
| 21:13.12 | foetus | evening. i kicked out "sweet girl" |
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| 21:13.23 | simonrvn | people always forget about that... |
| 21:13.34 | cantido | clancy: also, you realise new word docs won't open in old version of word.. oo is in the same boat. |
| 21:14.22 | cantido | simonrvn: he could also use a pen and paper. |
| 21:14.59 | simonrvn | cantido++ |
| 21:15.34 | Goleo[66] | what should i do after use sclaptel in lenny to run recovered files? |
| 21:15.43 | Planet8 | Im all for txt |
| 21:16.43 | foetus | a question - what is the option '--with-pic' for at configure? |
| 21:17.16 | simonrvn | it builds with the -fPIC and -DPIC options |
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| 21:17.23 | sepult | position independent code |
| 21:17.30 | cantido | OT: but I was recently writing some holiday booking thing.. and the client wanted a million different things in there, like the ability to book holidays in the past from their blackberry while on the moon covered in glue. I suggested they had people write down their holidays and someone checks that piece of paper. It was a breakthrough |
| 21:17.57 | rtra | hi. I'm considering trying debian for the firs time, but first I need to know how difficult it will be to install okular in lenny. thanks. |
| 21:18.54 | Planet8 | rtra, apt-get install okular - thats it |
| 21:18.56 | cantido | rtra: if its in lenny, I can't remember, it'll be 1 apt-cache search okular, 2 aptitude install <the right package>, 3 ???, 4 profit |
| 21:19.06 | foetus | simonrvn: ah, and what is the good for the resulting app? |
| 21:19.24 | cantido | foetus: I think it means it can be relocated.. |
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| 21:19.36 | sepult | foetus: only if it's gonna be relocatable |
| 21:19.49 | sepult | relocatable |
| 21:19.51 | MrWax | is it possible to do calculations in command line in bash? |
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| 21:19.57 | sepult | nope relocateable |
| 21:19.59 | cantido | sepult: all applications would want that I think.. |
| 21:20.03 | asg|nb | rtra: since it's currently only available in experimental, I'd suggest looking elsewhere. You might check backports.org also before deciding. |
| 21:20.04 | cantido | MrWax: bc |
| 21:20.13 | asg|nb | MrWax: echo $(( 3 + 4)) |
| 21:20.24 | Planet8 | okular is in lenny testing |
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| 21:20.39 | asg|nb | judd: versions okular |
| 21:20.39 | judd | asg|nb: okular -- lenny: 0.7-2 experimental: 4:4.2.1-1 |
| 21:20.45 | foetus | sepult: so i think, its better choice to leave configure decide.. |
| 21:20.46 | sepult | cantido: i don't think so |
| 21:20.50 | asg|nb | Planet8: lenny is now stable, by the way |
| 21:20.59 | sepult | foetus: yes |
| 21:21.02 | Planet8 | sorry, yes I mean stable |
| 21:21.03 | MrWax | how can I get to know information about a package? |
| 21:21.06 | MrWax | for example; bc |
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| 21:21.14 | asg|nb | MrWax: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 21:21.19 | foetus | sepult: thanks. |
| 21:21.20 | subsume | I am getting "/etc/init.d/rtorrent: line 23: syntax error near unexpected token `;;'" trying to adapt this script. http://dpaste.com/20492/ help? |
| 21:21.23 | rtra | thanks asg|nb |
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| 21:21.40 | cantido | sepult: I'm not sure how this all works in linux.. relocateable to me would mean that jumps etc aren't to absolute addresses |
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| 21:22.08 | asg|nb | rtra: though as cantido indicated, and I missed, it is currently available at version 0.7-2 in the stable version of debian |
| 21:22.18 | MrWax | ok thanks |
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| 21:22.32 | foetus | btw, its fam (horrible) |
| 21:22.32 | rtra | great, thanks all |
| 21:22.45 | sepult | cantido: i don't exactly know what drawbacks you have to await of it |
| 21:23.08 | jetscreamer | gamin provides fam and doesn't depend on udev |
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| 21:24.00 | v4nelle | any last help ,why http://127.0.0.1 goes to /var/www/xaxaxa and http://127.0.0.1/xaxaxa or /xaxaxa2 doesn't exist? |
| 21:24.01 | sepult | cantido: you would have to deal with offsets, explicitly specifying where it begins and ends or so, or even your processor could make good guess |
| 21:24.04 | foetus | take care with gamin. |
| 21:24.22 | sepult | cantido: maybe storing them in a special register |
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| 21:24.32 | jetscreamer | it's not messed me over yet |
| 21:24.41 | foetus | but fam is the horrible way..:) |
| 21:24.59 | jetscreamer | gamin much less bloated imo |
| 21:25.00 | sepult | cantido: but it's for sure that it will complicate some things |
| 21:25.16 | cantido | wonders if any of the FAM things use inotify yet.. |
| 21:25.28 | jetscreamer | hey so is it just me or are the kernel headers borked for 2.6.29 |
| 21:25.39 | cantido | sepult: I'm pretty glad I don't have to get involved with that sort of stuff to be honest |
| 21:25.41 | sepult | jetscreamer: not only you |
| 21:25.44 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 21:25.54 | jetscreamer | i've been asking for two days :) |
| 21:26.02 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: that's not just opinion, it's fact |
| 21:26.28 | jetscreamer | same guy who does linux-kbuild ? |
| 21:26.29 | sepult | cantido: it is first i think implementation dependent (ie. software(gcc) and hardware (processor)) |
| 21:26.39 | simonrvn | gamin uses only a subset of fam's stuff |
| 21:26.54 | sepult | cantido: then there are those alignment requirements |
| 21:27.01 | foetus | no, fam isn't bloated. there is some technology inside. |
| 21:27.02 | sepult | cantido: etc. etc.... |
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| 21:27.26 | foetus | but its difficult to handle. |
| 21:28.46 | jetscreamer | ah i was going to see how 5.0 does with multiple ide controllers |
| 21:28.52 | cantido | sepult: thankfully its all for someone else to worry about :) |
| 21:28.52 | jetscreamer | forgot |
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| 21:29.05 | foetus | i have tested and compiled gamin last year again and again, and was not amused.. :) |
| 21:29.31 | jetscreamer | i have removed and purged udev again and again.. i was not amused either |
| 21:29.34 | sepult | cantido: they even change things with every processor generation, i'm just scratching the surface reading about it |
| 21:29.41 | jetscreamer | thank god for gamin/yaird |
| 21:29.45 | sepult | cantido: jep sound complicated really |
| 21:29.48 | jetscreamer | !worship gamin |
| 21:29.48 | dpkg | genuflects before gamin. "I'm not worthy!" |
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| 21:31.05 | cantido | sepult: I keep meaning to read up on how stuff works on modern systems, modern == something with a mmu, but always other things to do. ;) |
| 21:31.14 | simonrvn | foetus: ^^^ {Sweet}_{GirL} |
| 21:31.35 | simonrvn | foetus: next time do "!ops {Sweet}_{GirL} on-join spam" or something like that. |
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| 21:31.46 | foetus | yes, it rocks :) |
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| 21:33.05 | sepult | cantido: there's one good article here: memory management algorithms and management in c and c++ |
| 21:33.22 | sepult | and implementation not management |
| 21:33.25 | sepult | sorry |
| 21:33.50 | cantido | sepult: if theres a book about it give me the isbn, I dont read x hundred page docs on screen |
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| 21:34.51 | sepult | cantido: ISBN:1556223471 |
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| 21:35.29 | cantido | 33 quid .. going to have to put that down as a work expense |
| 21:35.58 | simonrvn | quid? how does that equate to a pound? |
| 21:36.09 | cantido | quid == pound |
| 21:36.11 | sepult | cantido: how much is that in euros ? |
| 21:36.18 | sepult | oh |
| 21:36.22 | cantido | 1 euro is about a pound now |
| 21:36.23 | sepult | so around 90 then |
| 21:36.26 | sepult | oh |
| 21:36.32 | sepult | i though a 1:3 ratio |
| 21:36.34 | sepult | ok |
| 21:36.40 | simonrvn | ah thanks |
| 21:36.41 | cantido | exchange rate has gone to shit |
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| 21:36.57 | cantido | thinks himself lucky he doesnt work in gibraltar anymore |
| 21:37.01 | simonrvn | wow, that's a 60$ book |
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| 21:38.03 | simonrvn | is forced to deal with foreign currency |
| 21:38.04 | cantido | simonrvn: getting work to pay 60$ is better than having no eyes left after reading a pdf |
| 21:38.07 | sepult | cantido: one alternative would be to download the amd or intel specs thereof, but it's highly complicated material which is dense and not for the normal reader i think |
| 21:38.16 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 21:38.47 | foetus | so lets tryout fam..must logout :) |
| 21:38.48 | sepult | cantido: that's why i asked such a thing lika kindle |
| 21:38.53 | cantido | sepult: its good have someone outside intel or amds opinion on it too, even if its not a good opinion |
| 21:38.55 | simonrvn | reading on dead tree is more pleasant, even if it is dead trees :(. |
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| 21:39.16 | cantido | simonrvn: you can grow new tree, you cant replace the shit used to make lcds |
| 21:39.21 | sepult | cantido: they produce it, so who should now it better... |
| 21:39.24 | sepult | yes |
| 21:39.59 | rtra | are lcds really worse for your eyes than dead trees? I read a lot on my lcd :( |
| 21:40.02 | sepult | cantido: it's good to get that presented in a easier digestable form |
| 21:40.08 | cantido | sepult: some of the best books I have read have been written by authors with really messed up opinions ;) |
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| 21:40.50 | Section58 | hi |
| 21:40.53 | cantido | rtra: well, I think it's easier to read paper. It's also nice to not have windows and other stuff around demanding your attention while you're reading |
| 21:41.21 | sepult | cantido: that's the other side with books, you can have them while you on closet :=) |
| 21:41.25 | sepult | lol |
| 21:41.36 | simonrvn | if it was dead hemp i think i would a lot less issues with it ;). |
| 21:41.42 | cantido | sepult: you can do that with a laptop, its not good for the baby makers though |
| 21:41.48 | simonrvn | would have* |
| 21:42.01 | Section58 | i run x from startx in screen, i am currently downloading a game and my screen saver came on. so synergys fails. does anyone know how i can make it think i moved the mouse, so it opens up again (or i have to stop startx and lose my download) |
| 21:42.08 | simonrvn | all that extra heat, indeed. plus em fields. |
| 21:42.29 | cantido | simonrvn: kill xscreensaver |
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| 21:42.33 | cantido | simonrvn: oops |
| 21:42.39 | Section58 | win |
| 21:42.42 | cantido | Section58: kill xscreenserver |
| 21:42.43 | Section58 | thank you |
| 21:42.57 | Section58 | never thought of it like that |
| 21:43.06 | cantido | Section58: thats what I do when kde starts the screensave and kills the keyboard.. meaning you can't unlock the screen |
| 21:43.09 | sepult | cantido: it really gets confusing with vtable data structures with the 32bit address space in 3 pieces a 10 10 and 12 bits |
| 21:43.25 | cantido | Section58: its just an application running on top of everything else. not all that clever ;) |
| 21:43.30 | sepult | and gdtr and ldtr etc... |
| 21:43.32 | simonrvn | er, killall; kill wants a PID |
| 21:43.50 | Section58 | i would grab the pid anyway |
| 21:43.51 | Section58 | :) |
| 21:43.51 | cantido | simonrvn: I didn't mean that as a command line |
| 21:43.57 | sepult | i really wonder how the kernel guys manage them |
| 21:44.08 | cantido | sepult: is it x86 sort of stuff or across the board? |
| 21:44.24 | sepult | cantido: i think x86 |
| 21:44.43 | sepult | cantido: 32bit systems |
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| 21:46.04 | simonrvn | cantido: heh, i think that way ;) |
| 21:46.16 | cantido | sepult: too much stuff to learn, not enough time |
| 21:46.33 | sepult | cantido: yesah, same problem here |
| 21:46.40 | sepult | cantido: i try though |
| 21:46.48 | cantido | simonrvn: you mean you some how have machine vision + bash inside your head? |
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| 21:47.46 | simonrvn | cantido: what? |
| 21:47.57 | cantido | is pretty glad agile languages have come about |
| 21:48.22 | cantido | simonrvn: you see with eyes, translate into string and then parse with bash.. |
| 21:48.32 | simonrvn | no no, just wen i see something like that, i read it as a CL line |
| 21:48.37 | simonrvn | when* |
| 21:49.22 | cantido | I did used to wrap command lines with "$xxxxx" or something like that.. but then you get people pasting the $ and everything |
| 21:49.37 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 21:50.54 | cantido | is there some recognised standard for presenting command lines in text? |
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| 21:52.35 | patrikf | cantido: yeah, "$ ls" is quite standard I think |
| 21:52.45 | simonrvn | not really, thugh i see stuff like you showed, or "command --args" , or `command --args' or such. i think as long as it's clear, it doesn't matter. |
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| 21:53.46 | graphics | hi! anybody knows if a intel 500 graphic adapter is supported by debian? |
| 21:53.58 | simonrvn | s/debian/kernel/ |
| 21:54.14 | cantido | with `command --args` it'd work even if they paste verbatim |
| 21:54.26 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 21:54.39 | cantido | if it does VESA :) |
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| 21:55.09 | graphics | ok.. by linux kernel ;) sorry. VESA does it, but I don't have the correct resolution and can't change it because it is a 1280x800 |
| 21:55.25 | cantido | graphics: for the kernel framebuffer? |
| 21:55.45 | graphics | cantido: for the xorg server |
| 21:56.01 | cantido | graphics: what release? |
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| 21:56.29 | graphics | X 1.4.2, debian testing |
| 21:56.30 | cantido | graphics: Release of debian I mean. |
| 21:56.48 | cantido | graphics: should be using modesetting then, and the modes will come from the monitor connected |
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| 21:58.17 | graphics | it's a laptop, so the monitor connected is the laptop screen: 12'1 -> 1280x800 |
| 21:58.22 | cantido | Installing debian to compact flash was a bad idea it seems... dma timeout, fs corruption, gah |
| 21:59.09 | simonrvn | the fs corruption would keep me away from that. |
| 21:59.15 | cantido | graphics: mmm I have the same, macbook screen is 1280x800, and it just works. Can you check your xorg log to see what modes it picked up? or xrandr |
| 21:59.33 | simonrvn | SS drives are probably not much better... |
| 21:59.47 | valdyn | graphics: vesa does not know that mode, i believe |
| 21:59.48 | cantido | simonrvn: I think the corruption comes from the card dying during dma transfers :/ |
| 21:59.53 | graphics | I think that the mode that X picked up is the vesa |
| 21:59.58 | simonrvn | oh ouch |
| 22:00.08 | cantido | graphics: you are using the intel driver aren't you? |
| 22:00.08 | valdyn | graphics: are you using the vesa driver though? |
| 22:00.10 | graphics | cantido: can u paste ur xorg.conf file please? |
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| 22:00.22 | Ace2017_- | Hi all |
| 22:00.37 | valdyn | graphics: intel 500 driver is probably not in debian, its a piece of shit |
| 22:00.43 | cantido | graphics: mine has bits in for my dual head stuffage so its not going to be much use to you |
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| 22:00.48 | graphics | but what driver? the xserverx-xorg-video-intel? I didn't try to install it because the description doesn't talk about intel500 |
| 22:01.02 | cantido | valdyn: where to vesa modes come from? video bios? |
| 22:01.09 | cantido | valdyn: s/to/do |
| 22:01.12 | Pillz | Guys are there any known issues with installing LXDE via netinst? |
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| 22:01.22 | valdyn | cantido: yea, but its not using vesa modes unless its using the vesa driver |
| 22:01.31 | Pillz | Cause twice now I've tried, and twice now X has failed utterly to work *at all* |
| 22:01.41 | cantido | simonrvn: so a real SSD isn't any better than CF + adaptor? |
| 22:02.00 | valdyn | cantido: real ssd are built *very* differently |
| 22:02.11 | Ace2017_- | thats wrong, a real ssd is much better than a CF+adapter |
| 22:02.24 | cantido | valdyn: still, if it goes nuts all the time its no better to me :/ |
| 22:02.27 | valdyn | cantido: different than cf and ssd exist in various very different incarnations |
| 22:02.36 | Ace2017_- | also usually adapters suck |
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| 22:03.15 | cantido | Ace2017_-: I found the SSD some atom laptop slower than this CF+adaptor combo. and that SSD was meant to be a good one |
| 22:03.34 | cantido | Ace2017_-: granted, it didn't corrupt the fs all the time and just randomly disconnect itself |
| 22:03.36 | valdyn | graphics: search for pulsbo |
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| 22:03.43 | graphics | valdyn: ok, thanks |
| 22:03.50 | valdyn | graphics: or poulsbo |
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| 22:03.59 | valdyn | graphics: it has nothing in common with "normal" intel chips |
| 22:04.02 | Ace2017_- | cantido: maybe the broken adapter gave the illusion of speed while it destroyed the data |
| 22:04.10 | valdyn | graphics: its based on powervr |
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| 22:04.31 | cantido | Ace2017_-: I'm not sure its the adaptors fault to be honest. I have a feeling this card might be a fake one |
| 22:04.50 | cantido | Ace2017_-: the fact that its vendor stuff is all wrong is a bit of a hint. :/ |
| 22:05.19 | graphics | valdyn: ok ;( I've had a lot of problems with the wifi, so now, I must work with the graphics |
| 22:05.38 | cantido | It worked as a drive in an amiga for ages though. All sorts of problem running Debian off of it. sigh |
| 22:05.48 | project2501a | why doesn't the official debian package for mplayer include mencoder? |
| 22:05.54 | Ace2017_- | cantido: also this would be best in ##hardware rather than debian |
| 22:06.02 | cantido | project2501a: patent issues maybe |
| 22:06.12 | cantido | Ace2017_-: I know I know |
| 22:06.14 | icebrain | but mencoder is in main, afaik |
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| 22:06.29 | project2501a | icebrain: nope. apt-cache search mencoder |
| 22:06.39 | simonrvn | it's *not* in debian, so i don't see why it would be "official". |
| 22:07.13 | Ace2017_- | isn't it in debian multimedia? |
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| 22:07.26 | project2501a | it's in debian-multimedia. but that's not the official repo |
| 22:07.38 | miksuh | mencoder is in the debian-multimedia.org |
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| 22:08.58 | cantido | ffmpeg isnt in debian either is it? |
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| 22:09.23 | Pillz | Can anyone point me towards a list of known issues with Debian 5.0? |
| 22:09.33 | valdyn | !bts |
| 22:09.33 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 22:11.08 | zsfrack | hello |
| 22:12.06 | miksuh | cantido: it is |
| 22:12.49 | cantido | miksuh: really? with bits turned off? |
| 22:13.06 | miksuh | what bits? |
| 22:13.23 | zsfrack | i have a strange problem with debian/control on lenny |
| 22:13.25 | cantido | patented codecs etc |
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| 22:13.50 | miksuh | yes |
| 22:13.59 | miksuh | and full ggmpeg is in the debian_multimedia.org |
| 22:14.05 | PeterFA | Will KDE4 be included in Squeeze? |
| 22:14.10 | PeterFA | and what comes after Squeeze? |
| 22:14.12 | miksuh | ffmpeg |
| 22:14.20 | Ace2017_- | can anyone build and submit packages to debian? |
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| 22:14.45 | cantido | Ace2017_-: no |
| 22:14.50 | Ace2017_- | oh |
| 22:14.57 | Ace2017_- | wants to submit xserver-xgl |
| 22:14.59 | Ace2017_- | LD |
| 22:15.00 | Ace2017_- | :D |
| 22:15.07 | cantido | Ace2017_-: you need to either become a DebianDeveloper or get a DD to help you out |
| 22:15.19 | PeterFA | Ace2017_-, think about it, I could trojan-horse some code and submit it. After compilation nobody would know. |
| 22:15.20 | Ace2017_- | ok |
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| 22:15.34 | Ace2017_- | PeterFA: good point |
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| 22:15.42 | Ace2017_- | Who here is a debian developer? |
| 22:15.48 | cantido | PeterFA: the DD sort of managed to do that to openssl... whoops |
| 22:15.52 | PeterFA | Ace2017_-, #debian-dev |
| 22:16.05 | Ace2017_- | ok good, now i'll get a clean compile and find someone to help |
| 22:16.08 | PeterFA | cantido, that wasn't trojan-horsing. |
| 22:16.20 | Kozuch | Looking for some folks to takl on #ict4d |
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| 22:16.24 | PeterFA | cantido, that was just a woops. |
| 22:16.40 | cantido | PeterFA: I know, what I meant is that DDs can do bad things too.. and yes it was a whoops not an intentional thing |
| 22:16.55 | PeterFA | cantido, oh, then you're correct. |
| 22:17.16 | Ace2017_- | it compied :D |
| 22:17.33 | Ace2017_- | now to compile to /usr and test with checkinstall |
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| 22:17.51 | Gast_914_ | http://unsere-nackte-pyjamaparty.net/?id=9531820 |
| 22:17.52 | cantido | Ace2017_-: you should maybe contact the Debian X people.. but I'm pretty sure if you could do it they already have |
| 22:17.53 | Gast_914_ | http://unsere-nackte-pyjamaparty.net/?id=9531820 |
| 22:17.54 | Gast_914_ | http://unsere-nackte-pyjamaparty.net/?id=9531820 |
| 22:17.56 | erlond | Any user of Network Admin here? I cannot log on to Network Admin anymore. Suspect its the config file but don't know the name for it. |
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| 22:18.57 | mib_u0bgossy | . |
| 22:19.05 | PeterFA | shouts for joy at the annoying spam. |
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| 22:20.38 | mib_fm3n6xkr | Whom do I contact for the GSOC? |
| 22:20.53 | mib_fm3n6xkr | I needed some information for the same ... |
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| 22:21.56 | mib_fm3n6xkr | Whom do I contact for the GSOC? |
| 22:22.10 | petemc | did you consider googling for gsoc ? |
| 22:22.19 | erlond | what is GSOC? |
| 22:23.00 | mib_fm3n6xkr | I did; What I wanted to know is whether I should mail my project idea to soc-coordination@lists.alioth.debian.org or is there a specific way to apply ... |
| 22:23.18 | cantido | mib_fm3n6xkr: all the info was on the devel announce list IIRC |
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| 22:24.50 | icebrain | erlond: Google Summer of Code |
| 22:25.44 | erlond | icebrain: why only Summer, how about the other seasons? |
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| 22:26.49 | icebrain | erlond: 'cause college students (to whom this program is dedicated) have more free time in the summer? |
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| 22:27.09 | cantido | icebrain: I thought it was to do with geeks not liking the sun |
| 22:28.09 | erlond | cantido: them geeks are lazy, only work for one season a year. |
| 22:28.38 | cantido | erlond: I think beatings are in order |
| 22:28.47 | erlond | Any user of Network Admin here? I cannot log on to Network Admin anymore. Suspect its the config file but don't know the name for it. |
| 22:29.00 | cantido | what is Network admin? |
| 22:29.59 | nsadmin | a person who takes care of a network |
| 22:30.18 | cantido | nsadmin: and you can log onto that person? thats cool |
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| 22:31.33 | Gryflhase | Hi,,, does debian switch automatic to summertime ? |
| 22:31.40 | cantido | Gryflhase: yes |
| 22:31.52 | Gryflhase | how do I disable this ? |
| 22:32.16 | nsadmin | pick a timezone that doesn't |
| 22:32.19 | cantido | use a timezone that doesnt have DST |
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| 22:32.54 | Gryflhase | hmhm.... ok i guess its easier to change timings for recording movies from tvcard |
| 22:32.58 | ttl- | greetings |
| 22:33.28 | nsadmin | the idea being, each user of your system can set their own timezone and therefore have their own local time |
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| 22:34.56 | Gryflhase | If I change the timezone, the times to record/stop the movie would make troubnle, if I understood this right |
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| 22:35.18 | eitan | Hello all. This is not so much a linux question, but I'm using debian lenny, and I'm having trouble with playing sound clips on allmusic.com that I didn't have before installing lenny. Can anyone help? |
| 22:35.51 | cantido | Gryflhase: surely the times to record/stop should have daylight saving accounted for? |
| 22:36.04 | nsadmin | maybe some details. what kind of files are the sound clips |
| 22:36.26 | Gryflhase | cantido, : It's just for tonight, so I change recording-times |
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| 22:37.29 | cantido | Gryflhase: um, I'm not sure.. can't you just offset the recording times? |
| 22:37.45 | eitan | nsadmin: good question. I tried to find out, but apparently allmusic.com obfuscates the file types. Check out the source in the main page: http://allmusic.com/ ... wherever there's a little speaker symbol is supposed to be clickable to listen to a clip. |
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| 22:38.36 | nsadmin | eitan: what exactly happens when you try? |
| 22:38.51 | eitan | nsadmin: basically the problem is that iceweasel, or a plugin, or?? thinks that the files are flash. But one thing's for sure... they're NOT fash. |
| 22:39.08 | eitan | nsadmin: it tries to play them as flash files... they're not flash files. |
| 22:39.34 | cantido | eitan: sure they don't use a flash media player? |
| 22:39.45 | eitan | cantido: yes... I'm sure. |
| 22:40.13 | cantido | eitan: all I can suggest is that you use firebug and check what headers etc allmusic.com is sending |
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| 22:40.32 | eitan | cantido: firebug? hmm... |
| 22:40.57 | cantido | eitan: I have a feeling that it thinks its flash because they are using some flash player thing |
| 22:41.39 | eitan | cantido: IT'S NOT FLASH. I know because I don't have flash on my windows system, and it plays fine in winamp there. |
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| 22:42.13 | nsadmin | winamp doesn't play .flvs? |
| 22:42.15 | cantido | eitan: ok, but maybe the site is doing some detection.. looking for winamp, and because it's not available sending a flash player |
| 22:42.25 | nsadmin | hmm, maybe it doesn't |
| 22:42.53 | cantido | nsadmin: it can probably play audio out of flash media files |
| 22:44.01 | simonrvn | i know mplayer can |
| 22:44.14 | simonrvn | gotta have the codecs of course, though |
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| 22:45.40 | eitan | cantido: I installed firebug, and there is no hint of any filetype in the html. |
| 22:46.21 | eitan | cantido: I already looked at the code without firebug anyway. Somehow... some setting in iceweasel or a totem plugin or something is making it think that it should use flash to play the links. |
| 22:46.31 | luckylucy | due to poor planning, i have no redundancy on my server, and want to move to a raid array. i think raid1 should be good enough, as we don't have performance issues, where can i find info on safely doing this? |
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| 22:47.28 | cantido | luckylucy: do you have physical access to the machine? |
| 22:47.55 | luckylucy | yes |
| 22:47.59 | eitan | cantido: can you go to allmusic and see what player is spawned when you click on the little speaker icons? I'm sure it's not flash. |
| 22:48.23 | cantido | luckylucy: you can just add the extra disks, create an array and copy the stuff over then |
| 22:48.48 | cantido | wonders if they have any good music |
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| 22:49.34 | luckylucy | cantido: the disk i want to make into an array contains the operating system, this would seem to cause a problem. |
| 22:50.22 | careta | does testing have security updates already? |
| 22:50.51 | cantido | luckylucy: ok, so you need to add another disk of the same size or greater, create an array with a disk missing with the new disk, copy the original files into the array, and then add the old disk into the array and let it sync |
| 22:50.57 | cantido | luckylucy: backups == good idea |
| 22:51.22 | cantido | eitan: its mp3 for me |
| 22:51.41 | eitan | nsadmin: hmmm... do you think I could completely uninstall iceweasel (including settings) and reinstall it to get rid of some bad configuration? |
| 22:52.23 | eitan | cantido: right.... but my icewasel thinks it's flash... isn't that stupid? How do I reconfigure it to get it to play it as mp3 and not flash? is it something wrong with a configuration or a plugin or ? |
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| 22:52.54 | cantido | eitan: there is lots of flash in that page.. |
| 22:53.04 | cantido | eitan: it could be that the play button is flash |
| 22:53.20 | cantido | eitan: yup, the play button is flash |
| 22:53.28 | eitan | cantido: I know there's flash in the page... but the speaker button that plays the clips is not supposed to trigger a flash player. |
| 22:53.31 | wm4 | damn I hate Flash, I hate Ajax, I ha... uh someday, I'll die from frustration |
| 22:53.34 | wm4 | is there a cure? |
| 22:53.47 | cantido | eitan: yes, but the button itself is flash |
| 22:54.06 | nayx | wm4: console based browser ftw :) |
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| 22:54.27 | wm4 | nayx: well, the very problem is that I can't use these sites anymore... |
| 22:54.28 | cantido | wm4: when browser support everything and they all to it right we won't need flash, but until then it is useful |
| 22:55.00 | wm4 | cantido: there isn't any thing that couldn't be solved without Flash |
| 22:55.00 | eitan | cantido: I don't think so. I know that on my windows system which does not have flash installed plays everything in allmusic perfectly... no flash. |
| 22:55.01 | nayx | wm4: read a book instead of using the internet all day long then :P |
| 22:55.27 | wm4 | nayx: I'm a nerd and I can't live with internet 24h/day |
| 22:55.28 | cantido | eitan: you must have something... because that button is flash |
| 22:55.36 | eitan | cantido: what if I want to uninstall and re-install iceweasel from scratch... can I do that to clear any bad settings? |
| 22:55.47 | cantido | wm4: how do you do coverflow applets, things like that |
| 22:55.54 | nayx | wm4: ive just been kidding, feeling you regarding the web-addiction |
| 22:55.55 | eitan | cantido: no I don't have something. I don't have flash in windows... and it plays fine there with winamp. |
| 22:55.59 | maddash | eitan: rm -r $HOME/.mozila |
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| 22:56.07 | cantido | eitan: you just need to remove the iceweasel directory from your $HOME |
| 22:56.08 | maddash | eitan: rm -r $HOME/.mozilla |
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| 22:56.37 | eitan | maddash: if I remove iceweasel completely with the package manager will that work too? |
| 22:56.40 | wm4 | cantido: what's coverflow? |
| 22:56.43 | cantido | eitan: in windows it might use something else to do that button, activex control or something. but here it is flash |
| 22:56.48 | maddash | eitan: no. |
| 22:57.06 | cantido | eitan: <object id="player_A" width="29" height="30" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data=" |
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| 22:57.15 | eitan | maddash: will that affect my thunderbird mail? |
| 22:57.29 | cantido | wm4: thing mac os x |
| 22:57.32 | cantido | wm4: think |
| 22:57.47 | maddash | eitan: perhaps. "ls ~/.mozilla/ |
| 22:57.48 | maddash | " |
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| 22:57.56 | eitan | cantido: what page are you looking at? I am looking at the html source for allmusic.com and that line is not there. |
| 22:57.57 | wm4 | cantido: I don't know MacOSX either, but if it's from there, it's probably spiffy but useless |
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| 22:58.28 | cantido | wm4: but if you're making sites for people like speedo, ellesse.. you need to be able to do these things ;) |
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| 22:58.39 | Loevgaard | how do I copy all .jpg files from one dir to another? |
| 22:58.49 | eitan | maddash: thunderbird and mail don't seem to be in there |
| 22:58.54 | mythomaniac | what is a good gtk+ man page viewer, one that allows search? |
| 22:59.05 | cantido | eitan: yes, it might be using something else to do that button in windows.. but it is definately flash her |
| 22:59.06 | maddash | eitan: or just "mv ~/.mozilla/firefox ~/backupfirefoxsettings" |
| 22:59.09 | cantido | eitan: here |
| 22:59.24 | wm4 | Loevgaard: maybe cp srcdir/*.jpg destdir |
| 22:59.25 | maddash | eitan: then delete it |
| 22:59.51 | eitan | cantido: like I told you... I'm in debian now and I looked at the html source for allmusic.com and there is no line like you quoted that refers to flash. |
| 23:00.18 | cantido | eitan: it's inserted via script. it won't be in the raw markup |
| 23:00.27 | eitan | cantido: ahh.... ok. |
| 23:00.43 | cantido | eitan: hate to get technical.. but they will be using swfobject to insert the flash into the page on load |
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| 23:00.51 | eitan | cantido: well for me it's not flash... but iceweasel seems to want to bring it up as flash and it didn't do that in etch... |
| 23:01.05 | rhineheart_m | I can't get the audio device to work :( |
| 23:01.20 | eitan | maddash:.... got it... thanks |
| 23:01.32 | cantido | eitan: not sure, they might decide how to work that button depending on what your browser is. |
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| 23:01.36 | Loevgaard | wm4, it says two many arguments |
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| 23:02.09 | eitan | cantido: right... and that's my point... my browser media configuration has gotten screwed up. Do you recommend a remove and reinstall for iceweasel and all it's plugins? |
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| 23:02.21 | wm4 | Loevgaard: exact error message? |
| 23:02.36 | cantido | eitan: or you could just install one of the flash plugins |
| 23:02.50 | cantido | eitan: the opensource onces will probably do for that button |
| 23:02.55 | rhineheart_m | even after spending few hours already...trying to figure out the cause.. |
| 23:03.19 | eitan | cantido.... I already have flash installed... it doesn't play it as flash... BECAUSE IT'S NOT FLASH! It's mp3... It's like it's trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. |
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| 23:03.40 | cantido | eitan: IT WILL BE GETTING THE MIME TYPE FROM THE SERVER |
| 23:03.47 | cantido | eitan: CAPS ARE RUDE IIRC |
| 23:04.04 | nayx | eitan: the mp3 is loaded by a flash player/plugin called "allmusic_player.swf" thogh |
| 23:04.18 | cantido | nayx: exactly |
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| 23:04.34 | cantido | eitan: I get the mp3 here too.. but it is loaded by the flash |
| 23:04.47 | Loevgaard | wm4, -bash: /bin/cp: Argument list too long |
| 23:04.53 | wm4 | when copying large files, I often encounter bug slow downs, and my system becomes laggy... why and how to fix that? |
| 23:05.01 | wm4 | s/bug/big/ |
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| 23:05.14 | eitan | cantido: I'm just so frustrated in trying to explain that it's been working as regular mp3 for ages after I've had flash installed for a long time too. Now in lenny it thinks it's flash... but it's still mp3... but it's trying to play it as flash. My flash works fine in other websites like youtube... but allmusic is not flash... so the files don't play at all |
| 23:05.27 | wm4 | Loevgaard: how many jpg files do you have? must be quite a lot? |
| 23:05.53 | cantido | eitan: for me, it plays in the browser |
| 23:05.55 | eitan | cantido: well that doesn't make any sense... you shouldn't need a flash player to play an mp3. Right?? |
| 23:06.09 | cantido | eitan: the flash loads and the flash loads the mp3 |
| 23:06.13 | eitan | cantido: mp3 files should never need flash to play. |
| 23:06.30 | cantido | eitan: but if it loads in an external play how can the site/browser control it? |
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| 23:06.40 | eitan | cantido: that's ridiculous. That's not how it should work. It should spawn mplayer or totem directly... not some flash player. |
| 23:06.43 | luckylucy | is there an imaging software that can image my disk while it is running (no reboot)? |
| 23:06.55 | cantido | eitan: they're loading it flash so that the buttons in the site have control over the playback |
| 23:07.01 | Loevgaard | wm4, 7362 |
| 23:07.04 | eitan | cantido: that's how it used to work for me... it used to spawn mplayer... it never involved flash before. |
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| 23:07.53 | cantido | eitan: the site might have some fallback method if flash isn't available... they might be using script to detect that, hence using swfobject to insert the flash after the page is loaded. |
| 23:07.56 | eitan | cantido... for me, I don't see any "buttons" on the site... All I see is little speaker symbols that used to spawn the mplayer mp3 player.... but now they're trying to spawn a flash player that doesn't work because the files are not flash. |
| 23:08.26 | cantido | eitan: the speaker buttons are flash |
| 23:08.43 | eitan | cantido: on my debian system flash IS available.... but since the underlying file is not flash... nothing plays. In any case, it should be spawning mplayer... and it's not doing that anymore. That's why I'm saying it's broken. |
| 23:08.59 | eitan | cantido: no the speaker buttons symbols are gifs for me. |
| 23:09.03 | cantido | eitan: actaully, the buttons aren't flash, but they are calling script to invoke the flash player they have |
| 23:09.27 | eitan | cantido: img src="/i/pages/site/icons/speaker.gif |
| 23:09.41 | cantido | eitan: yes and the ancors have script attached to them |
| 23:10.11 | cantido | eitan: the link is probably the link to the mp3, but the click is caught by script and the flash is told to play that link |
| 23:10.32 | eitan | cantido: well... to this day I've Never seen control buttons for playing things on allmusic and definitely not flash buttons... and I've had flash installed on debian for a long time now. |
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| 23:11.09 | cantido | eitan: as I said, the are gifs wrapped in a ancor... they ancors have script attached |
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| 23:11.15 | eitan | cantido: it does that on yours, but it's not doing that on mine because the annoying people at allmusic found it fit to have dynamic html. How frustrating! |
| 23:11.22 | nayx | eitan: the link for the player is some sort of script deciding how to play stuff! if you have a flash player installed it sticks to flash if you have vlc plugin it uses that. disable flash and see what happens! |
| 23:11.43 | maddash | eitan: erm, the speaker symbols get replaced with a mini swf script -- is that not supposed to happen? the music plays fine here. |
| 23:11.49 | eitan | nayx: disable flash? how? |
| 23:11.57 | cantido | eitan: this is how the intawebs works these days |
| 23:12.00 | eitan | maddash: nothing plays here anymore. |
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| 23:12.10 | nayx | eitan: remove it from .mozilla/plugins |
| 23:12.13 | nayx | in your home dir |
| 23:12.19 | eitan | cantido: sorry to be so blunt... but that way of doing things sucks. |
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| 23:12.25 | maddash | eitan: do you have flash installed? |
| 23:12.27 | jbwiv_ | so apparently apt-file doesn't work on Lenny. Is there an alternative? |
| 23:12.30 | eitan | maddash: yes. |
| 23:12.31 | nayx | eitan: make sure its not there by checking about:config |
| 23:12.35 | cantido | maddash: there seem to be two type of speaker icon, some little gifs with script and bigger flash ones |
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| 23:12.47 | nsadmin | of about:plugins |
| 23:12.49 | maddash | eitan: you can check by Tools > Add Ons > Plugins |
| 23:13.06 | cantido | eitan: really? it's actually being pretty clever and trying to see if you have flash.. |
| 23:13.07 | eitan | nayx: then my flash will be broken.. there's nothing wrong with my flash player... theres something wrong with iceweasel thinking that an mp3 link should use a flash player to play. |
| 23:13.19 | maddash | eitan: those ARE flash files, and they stream the music from the server just fine. |
| 23:13.30 | nayx | eitan: so disable in Tools > Add Ons > Plugins as maddash said |
| 23:13.38 | nayx | but try it! see what happens |
| 23:13.42 | eitan | nayx: oh... ok... hold on. |
| 23:13.51 | cantido | maddash: the little speaker icons link to the mp3 on the server, but the script hijacks the click and passes it to the flash |
| 23:14.05 | maddash | cantido: so? |
| 23:14.05 | cantido | maddash: the bigger speak icons are fully flash |
| 23:14.15 | maddash | cantido: so...? |
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| 23:14.38 | maddash | [sigh] a full 45 minutes has been wasted on this trivial topic |
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| 23:14.53 | evilGUI | Can someone tell me what these are? http://pastebin.ca/1375223 |
| 23:14.58 | cantido | maddash: so, if he doesnt have flash, the script should return the "mp3" and let the browser take over. Is seems like flash is broken on his machine more than anything |
| 23:15.00 | eitan | maddash: ok... I disabled flash and now it uses movieplayer to play the files... which now play fine. |
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| 23:15.17 | nayx | uhm at first those icons are simple links eg "http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=50:3nfpxzekldse~R" this dubious amg.dll checks your plugins if you have flash its replaced with a flash player, if not you get the mp3 or another plugin like vlc comes into play |
| 23:15.19 | jbwiv_ | anyone know of an alternative to apt-file? |
| 23:15.29 | cantido | maddash: yup, and for tiny music clips. you could download the whole album in flac in the same time |
| 23:15.50 | eitan | maddash: BUT.... I used to have flash working and enabled and played allmusic clips without it trying to spawn a flash player... but now it seems I have to disable flash everytime I want to hear mp3 clips... that's not how it should work. |
| 23:16.08 | maddash | eitan: er, i think you should fix your flash problem |
| 23:16.18 | evilGUI | I've been getting those in my lighttpd log. |
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| 23:17.06 | eitan | maddash: right.. I agree.... though... this checking it used to do used to default to my mp3 player even though I had flash installed... but now it wants to default to the flash player... it's just frustratin. |
| 23:17.19 | cantido | eitan: the funny thing is, you're looking at something as "media" as music and then saying they shouldn't be using stuff like flash. hohoho |
| 23:17.30 | eitan | I'm going to uninstall and reinstall iceweasel to fix this brokenness... |
| 23:17.37 | cantido | eitan: its not iceweasel |
| 23:18.04 | maddash | eitan: do you even have flash installed? can you check out clips from youtube? |
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| 23:18.20 | eitan | cantido: sorry about my being frustrated.... I have to step out for a while... and I just wanted to play a song before going so I could buy the cd at the store... and then this problem came up for the first time and it's taking ages.... |
| 23:18.27 | cantido | eitan: its probably their script detecting flash, sending a swf and then iceweasel is asking wtf to do with it |
| 23:18.29 | eitan | maddash: yes... I have flash installed. |
| 23:18.47 | eitan | cantido: welll I want icewasel to only use flash as a last resort... not first resort. |
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| 23:18.52 | foetus | welcome to the adobe channel.. |
| 23:19.05 | foetus | :) |
| 23:19.12 | Ace2017_- | when using wget to download packages, do you tell it to only get .tar.bz2 files? |
| 23:19.21 | eitan | cantido: I hate adobe and I hate flash... but idiots who program websites like to use it... oh so upsetting. |
| 23:19.30 | nayx | eitan: the allmusic site uses that amg.dll which decides what to do! you cant influence it to not use flash if it is present |
| 23:19.41 | maddash | eitan: then you ought to send a request to the guys at allmusic.com, because this is a server-side issue |
| 23:19.57 | cantido | eitan: people that make/sell music like stuff like flash, bad luck |
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| 23:20.07 | maddash | Ace2017_-: wtf does wget have to do with bz2? |
| 23:20.09 | eitan | nayx: welll somehow it used to work that way. I had flash installed, but allmusic chose to use MPLAYER... not flash. Now it's the other way around and I still haven't figured out why. |
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| 23:20.33 | eitan | cantido: people who sell music are usually jerks. |
| 23:20.34 | maddash | eitan: perhaps allmusic changed its code? |
| 23:20.52 | cantido | eitan: because its decided now that your browser has flash and is sending their swf not the mp3 |
| 23:21.05 | maddash | eitan: here's a hint: write a greasemonkey extension that does what you want |
| 23:21.13 | eitan | maddash: ... possible... but not likely. It's more likely that something about lenny has changed the default behavior.... maybe the new iceweasel. |
| 23:21.29 | Ace2017_- | maddash: there are bz2 and gz files, i want to save the host's bandwidth by only getting the bz2 files |
| 23:21.36 | cantido | eitan: the server tells the browser what type of content it is sending |
| 23:21.37 | nayx | eitan: no its not lennys fault. what about "server side issue" dont you get? |
| 23:21.52 | maddash | Ace2017_-: then only wget bz2 files. what's the problem? |
| 23:21.56 | nsadmin | eitan: so are you calling folks idiots because you're disappointed you were wrong about what the problem was after insisting you weren't? either way, it's kinda grating when you do that |
| 23:21.58 | eitan | thanks all... I'm going to remove... and cleanly reinstall iceweasel to try to isolate the problem. |
| 23:22.06 | nayx | eitan: rather write a mail to allmusic and ask if they changed something with their player recently |
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| 23:22.16 | Ace2017_- | maddash: i needed to know how to get just the bz2 files from a directory |
| 23:22.19 | Ace2017_- | which i found out |
| 23:22.28 | nayx | eitan: will not help rm -rf ~/.mozilla rather than reinstalling |
| 23:22.37 | maddash | Ace2017_-: then feed it all the links to the bz2 |
| 23:22.38 | maddash | files |
| 23:22.49 | maddash | Ace2017_-: man wget and search 'url list' |
| 23:23.02 | eitan | nsadmin: no... there is no technical reason to use flash to play mp3 or video type files. Flash is supposed to be to play dynamic vector graphics. Flash is just used as a packaging platform for drm purposes. That's why I say the're jerks... not because I'm having problems. |
| 23:23.13 | maddash | Ace2017_-: er, --input-file |
| 23:23.29 | cantido | eitan:the server is sending your browser flash |
| 23:23.36 | cantido | eitan: the server is sending your browser flash |
| 23:23.40 | nsadmin | eitan: the hard line would be "that's not debian's doing" |
| 23:23.46 | cantido | eitan: should I say it again? |
| 23:24.23 | cantido | eitan: also flash is used in cases like this so that the site can control the playback |
| 23:24.28 | eitan | cantido: read that.... well it didn't send my browser flash a couple of weeks ago when I was using etch... now it's sending me flash... I think that's because I switched to lenny and something about the new configuration is different... I don't think allmusic changed. |
| 23:24.50 | Ace2017_- | maddash: better way would be recursively download to a depth of 1 or 2 and only grab tar.bz2 files |
| 23:24.57 | cantido | eitan: if it opens and external player and you click another button inside the side, there is nothing the site can do to stop playback and change to the new selection |
| 23:25.03 | eitan | cantido: that's my point... the site has no good reason for wanting to seize all that control. Let them control their own computers and leave my computer to me. |
| 23:25.25 | eitan | cantido: that's fine with me. |
| 23:25.39 | eitan | Thank you all for trying... I really appreciate it. |
| 23:25.40 | cantido | eitan: but thats not the way they want to market their product |
| 23:25.40 | nsadmin | they didn't hold a gun to your head and tell you to install flash or die |
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| 23:25.50 | Pillz | What is the difference between picking a graphical installer & an expert graphical installer when doing a netinst? |
| 23:25.51 | maddash | Ace2017_-: ok genius, so how would you 'only grab tar.bz2 files'? |
| 23:25.55 | ttl- | where is xmms in lenny ? |
| 23:26.01 | ttl- | oh well |
| 23:26.05 | ttl- | lol |
| 23:26.07 | cantido | ttl-: gtk1 is gone I think |
| 23:26.12 | cantido | ttl-: so xmms1 withit |
| 23:26.13 | ttl- | xmms2 |
| 23:26.28 | Ace2017_- | wget -A .bz2 -r 1 http://..... |
| 23:26.47 | cantido | ttl-: got xmms2 here, maybe it didnt make it into lenny |
| 23:26.54 | nsadmin | eitan in any case, glad it worked out |
| 23:26.56 | eitan | cantido: that's why they're obnoxious unlikeable and annyoing people... because they use foolish and unnecessary marketing techniques and compromise the smooth operation of technology in the proceess. |
| 23:27.04 | maddash | ttl-: backports.org |
| 23:27.20 | eitan | nsadmin: it'll work out when I reinstall iceweasel... I hope.. Thanks again. |
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| 23:27.27 | eitan | bye all. |
| 23:27.29 | cantido | eitan: I think from a user interaction point of view, having it inside the browser is probably a good idea |
| 23:27.39 | project2501a | Allen Ginsberg FTW!~ |
| 23:27.40 | maddash | ttl-: oops, ignore that: |
| 23:27.43 | eitan | cantido: I'm off to the cd store... bye. |
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| 23:28.17 | cantido | would have just downloaded it and then bought it... |
| 23:28.30 | Pillz | No one can quickly explain the difference between graphical install and expert graphical install? |
| 23:28.42 | ttl- | cantido: it did but don't like xmms2 |
| 23:28.47 | nsadmin | Pillz: expert |
| 23:28.48 | cantido | Pillz: expert install probably askes more questions |
| 23:28.50 | ttl- | maddash: thanks! |
| 23:28.56 | Pillz | k |
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| 23:28.58 | cantido | ttl-: well, port xmms1 to gtk2 |
| 23:29.00 | foetus | expert works, graphical not :) |
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| 23:29.13 | Pillz | Hmm, why doesnt graphical work? |
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| 23:29.16 | AirForceTwo | Welcome Mr. President |
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| 23:29.28 | nsadmin | seriously... expert probably allows you more control |
| 23:29.36 | sepult | Pillz: more-options -> more-control -> more-confusion -> restart |
| 23:29.38 | foetus | ask the developer.. |
| 23:29.38 | flower | is there a way to safe some energy when using the pc to play music? |
| 23:29.40 | wm4 | R.I.P xmms |
| 23:29.41 | sepult | lol |
| 23:29.50 | nsadmin | ll xmms3 |
| 23:29.55 | nsadmin | err 2 |
| 23:30.02 | Pillz | Cause I've tried to install Debian LXDE via netinst twice and it gives me an unusable system. So I'm thinking maybe I'll try expert next. |
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| 23:30.12 | Akuw | hi |
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| 23:30.14 | wm4 | xmms2 sucks... client server for a mp3 player? come on. |
| 23:30.16 | cantido | nsadmin: maybe gtk3 will have less silly bugs |
| 23:30.19 | Akuw | i am using unrar-free |
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| 23:30.32 | Akuw | but when i try to unrar i got Extracting 1989 - Handle With Care/01 New Song.mp3 Failed |
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| 23:31.07 | cantido | Akuw: unrar-free doesnt work on some rar files |
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| 23:31.25 | maddash | Akuw: here's a hint: aptitude search unrar-nonfree. |
| 23:31.25 | Akuw | ho |
| 23:31.49 | maddash | Akuw: did you forget that you were downloading non-free stuff (for free)? |
| 23:32.14 | cantido | maddash: if he uses a free unrar its ok ;) |
| 23:32.29 | Pillz | If I do an automated install, does it still allow me the option to manually partition my harddrive? |
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| 23:32.42 | Pillz | and does automated work...? >> |
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| 23:33.26 | WDC | Hello |
| 23:33.37 | Akuw | aptitude search unrar-nonfree no results |
| 23:33.46 | HSNews | People, I install Debian on flash, but I didn't install graphic interface. Only console |
| 23:33.51 | HSNews | how I can install X11? |
| 23:34.12 | WDC | I am having some trouble getting my Debian box online (this is a server). When I restart, as soon as apache2 starts, I have about 15 seconds of server access. |
| 23:34.22 | maddash | rofl |
| 23:34.25 | WDC | After that all my requests time out, and my server is completely offline |
| 23:34.41 | maddash | HSNews: aptitude install xserver-xorg |
| 23:34.52 | Akuw | i have to add non free repository? |
| 23:34.55 | WDC | I have "Interrupt:18 Base address:0xe800" in my eth0 |
| 23:34.56 | project2501a | mmmmmm |
| 23:35.06 | HSNews | thank you! |
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| 23:35.48 | cantido | WDC: can you still ping it? |
| 23:35.55 | WDC | let me check |
| 23:36.15 | WDC | Yes, I am pinging the server, but it can not ping anything including the router. |
| 23:36.44 | cantido | WDC: if you can ping the server, your hardware is working. |
| 23:37.00 | WDC | For instance, I get "unknown host yahoo.com" on the server |
| 23:37.11 | WDC | 76.240.25.13 is the IP address |
| 23:37.13 | cantido | WDC: you need to fix your DNS then |
| 23:37.21 | WDC | 76.240.25.136*** |
| 23:37.26 | sepult | WDC: dns issue |
| 23:37.29 | WDC | really |
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| 23:37.49 | sepult | WDC: either dns itself or the resolver |
| 23:38.07 | WDC | That would account for not being able to go http://76.240.25.136/ and not having ANY network on it? |
| 23:38.21 | sepult | WDC: i had the same problem once |
| 23:38.29 | WDC | How did you fix it? |
| 23:38.38 | WDC | Because I can access the server for 15 seconds when starting up, then it fails |
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| 23:38.41 | cantido | WDC: you said you can ping the machine that isn't working? |
| 23:38.45 | WDC | yes |
| 23:38.51 | WDC | Please try, as I am on the same network |
| 23:38.57 | cantido | WDC: but that machine can't see anything on the internet? |
| 23:38.59 | WDC | 76.240.25.136 |
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| 23:39.13 | WDC | cantido: no, correct |
| 23:39.28 | cantido | WDC: so you have a routing and/or dns issue |
| 23:39.35 | WDC | cantido: How would I fix it? |
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| 23:39.45 | cantido | WDC: I cant ping that ip from here |
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| 23:39.54 | Dillizar | i cant use sudo pppoeconf |
| 23:39.55 | klaz168 | WDC, yeah it wont ping |
| 23:39.57 | Dillizar | i have a error |
| 23:40.00 | Dillizar | or smt like that |
| 23:40.17 | WDC | 64 bytes from 76.240.25.136: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=3.32 ms |
| 23:40.17 | WDC | 64 bytes from 76.240.25.136: icmp_seq=5 ttl=255 time=1.75 ms |
| 23:40.20 | cantido | WDC: also, maybe you have some firewall thats stopping us from pinging it |
| 23:40.24 | WDC | Hmmm |
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| 23:40.28 | sepult | WDC: had forgotten to set up the /etc/networks file with the correct subnet spec like default 0.0.0.0, localnet 169.255.0.0, dhcp 255.255.255.0 etc. then those dns addresses for which my router was configured in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:40.40 | WDC | one second |
| 23:41.28 | WDC | Try pinging again please |
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| 23:41.37 | sepult | WDC: the routing was not taking place because of that |
| 23:41.40 | WDC | I think the router was specifically blocking pinging |
| 23:41.40 | klaz168 | WDC, not its pinging |
| 23:41.43 | klaz168 | now* |
| 23:41.48 | WDC | It is? okay good |
| 23:42.02 | WDC | so let's see |
| 23:42.04 | WDC | /etc/networks |
| 23:42.05 | WDC | looks |
| 23:42.26 | WDC | Change default from 0.0.0.0 to my IP? |
| 23:42.44 | sepult | WDC: nooooo |
| 23:42.49 | valdyn | WDC: i can ping it, therefore if nothign else works its firewalled |
| 23:42.51 | sepult | WDC: let them be like they are |
| 23:42.56 | WDC | okay |
| 23:43.01 | Dillizar | i cant use sudo pppoeconf and i cant connect to internet i have debian 5! the error its smt like i am not a sudo user or smt like that make any sence? |
| 23:43.02 | WDC | So... the router is configured to DMZ it |
| 23:43.22 | WDC | Dillizar: "su", then try pppoeconf |
| 23:43.32 | wm4 | oh crap, I just realized that DST thing is today |
| 23:43.51 | sepult | WDC: you have the dns lines (nameserver bla) from your router in your resolv.conf ? |
| 23:44.10 | Dillizar | WDC: are you sure bout this :) cuz i dont want to turn my other pc in vain :D |
| 23:44.20 | WDC | Dillizar: su is just like sudo, sorta |
| 23:44.25 | WDC | sepult: I have no idea |
| 23:44.27 | Dillizar | but better |
| 23:44.31 | WDC | Dillizar: No |
| 23:44.41 | sepult | WDC: take a look at /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:44.44 | WDC | Dillizar: "su" makes you root. sudo temporarily does |
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| 23:45.01 | Dillizar | why the sudo password its not working for me for sudo pass i use my login pass |
| 23:45.08 | WDC | the domain and search is the router's |
| 23:45.17 | WDC | and nameserver is 192.18.1.254, the router's IP |
| 23:45.28 | WDC | Dillizar: you're not in the "sudoers folder" |
| 23:45.30 | sepult | WDC: nope that's the point |
| 23:45.47 | WDC | sepult: what? |
| 23:45.49 | klaz168 | Dillizar, are you in sudoers? |
| 23:45.56 | Dillizar | wdc that was my "error" i am not a sudoers user |
| 23:46.09 | Dillizar | tell me how to change that and i will get you a lager :) |
| 23:46.16 | sepult | WDC: i have a router address of 192.168.0.1 but that does not suffice as when put as nameserver 192.168.0.1 in resolv.conf |
| 23:46.29 | klaz168 | Dillizar, /etc/sudoers |
| 23:46.37 | sepult | WDC: it's the endpoint, not a dns address |
| 23:46.42 | nsadmin | you edit that file |
| 23:47.13 | WDC | Dillizar: hmmm. "adduser name_of_user admin" do that as "su" |
| 23:47.20 | WDC | sepult: I don't understand |
| 23:47.25 | WDC | Is my resolv.conf wrong? |
| 23:47.31 | wm4 | what is the advantage of sudo over using a root account? |
| 23:47.46 | WDC | wm4: It's temporary and you won't screw everything up. |
| 23:47.54 | WDC | wm4 I usually use "su", personally. |
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| 23:48.08 | cantido | WDC: you can screw stuff up with sudo if its badly configured |
| 23:48.17 | WDC | cantido: of course |
| 23:48.18 | sepult | WDC: so you have to put a sane dns address with wich your router is configured to that as a second line, add something like nameserver #.#.#.# into it with the #.#.#.# specified in your router's dns addresses |
| 23:48.20 | klaz168 | wm4, if you have more than 1 person on the same box and u dont wana give ur password out? |
| 23:48.25 | wm4 | WDC: "temporary" but you can do it at any time "screw up" but you can issue any command with sudo, nothinf to save here |
| 23:48.57 | WDC | sepult: so add another nameserver line? |
| 23:49.00 | nsadmin | lots of times the dhcp reply will have the name server address |
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| 23:49.59 | sepult | WDC: for a first attempt yes, if it's solving it then you can specify that nameserver line which is the true dns nameserver address in /etc/resolvconf/resolvconf.d/head or tail or so |
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| 23:50.32 | WDC | sepult: what is an example of what I would put there? The router's DNS servers? |
| 23:50.41 | sepult | WDC: i mean if it works then you can move it to head or tail in /etc/resolvconf/resolvconf.d |
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| 23:50.58 | WDC | ah |
| 23:51.28 | sepult | WDC: if it does not then you know that the issue is not the resolver |
| 23:52.08 | WDC | sepult: I apologize |
| 23:52.12 | WDC | What should I put? |
| 23:52.22 | WDC | You have lost me |
| 23:52.42 | WDC | This is what my router has: |
| 23:52.42 | WDC | Primary Domain Name Server:68.94.156.1 |
| 23:52.42 | WDC | Secondary Domain Name Server:68.94.157.1 |
| 23:52.55 | nsadmin | you could use those |
| 23:53.04 | WDC | nsadmin: and it would work? |
| 23:53.10 | WDC | nsadmin: should I use both? |
| 23:53.31 | dustybin | what is the name of that font tool what lets you do cool ascii fonts |
| 23:53.37 | dustybin | from the terminal |
| 23:53.38 | nsadmin | you could put dns-nameservers 68.94.156.1 68.94.157.1 in /etc/network/interfaces (which would be read by the resolvconf package) |
| 23:53.55 | WDC | "dns-nameservers 68.94.156.1 68.94.157.1" Just like that? |
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| 23:53.59 | Dillizar | WDC: adduser name_of_user admin" do that as "su"??? i dont understand |
| 23:54.15 | WDC | Dillizar: run "su" |
| 23:54.27 | sepult | WDC: wait i'll show you |
| 23:54.28 | Dillizar | su pppoeconf?? |
| 23:54.34 | nsadmin | WDC: I have mine after a "iface eth0 inet dhcp" line |
| 23:54.39 | WDC | Dillizar: run "su", then your command |
| 23:54.42 | sepult | WDC: http://paste.debian.net/3180 |
| 23:54.45 | WDC | nsadmin: kk |
| 23:55.12 | WDC | sepult: strange error |
| 23:55.15 | nsadmin | but you need resolvconf installed for that to do anything |
| 23:55.28 | WDC | "dns-nameservers 68.94.156.1 68.94.157.1" Just like that? |
| 23:55.28 | sepult | WDC: lol sorry i forgot |
| 23:55.30 | Dillizar | with that i will become sudoer user? |
| 23:55.36 | WDC | Dillizar: No, you will become root |
| 23:55.52 | Dillizar | aham and how do i become suder useer |
| 23:55.52 | nsadmin | or maybe a comma |
| 23:56.02 | WDC | Dillizar: Run "su", then my command |
| 23:56.10 | WDC | Dillizar: what's your username? |
| 23:56.23 | WDC | nsadmin: I'll put one of them for now |
| 23:56.28 | Dillizar | demon |
| 23:56.34 | sepult | WDC: put them both or just one |
| 23:56.46 | sepult | WDC: doesn't matter |
| 23:56.56 | WDC | sepult: saved. Do I have to run anything now? |
| 23:57.03 | WDC | Dillizar: so run "su" |
| 23:57.07 | WDC | Dillizar: tell me when you're done |
| 23:57.13 | sepult | WDC: yes your browser |
| 23:57.20 | WDC | sepult: hmm |
| 23:57.27 | WDC | sepult: or ping, CLI-only here |
| 23:57.31 | Dillizar | but i cant WDC if i change to debian i need to come back to kubuntu |
| 23:57.38 | sepult | WDC: ok then ping |
| 23:57.46 | WDC | sepult: unkown host |
| 23:58.07 | WDC | Dillizar: I'm sorry? |
| 23:58.08 | sepult | WDC: ok now check /etc/hosts |
| 23:58.25 | nsadmin | ping 206.190.60.37 |
| 23:58.30 | nsadmin | (that's yahoo) |
| 23:58.47 | WDC | nsadmin: network unreachable |
| 23:58.49 | WDC | sepult: I have a lot |
| 23:58.54 | WDC | 127.0.0.1 goes to localhost |
| 23:58.58 | *** join/#debian pingouin (n=pingouin@tou59-1-82-225-133-50.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 23:58.59 | nsadmin | so you're not connected to the net |
| 23:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 908] by debhelper |
| 23:59.20 | sepult | WDC: 127.0.0.1 localhost <hostname>, then newline 127.0.1.1 localhost.localdomain <hostname>, then newline 192.168.0.1 netconnect.box <hostname> in my case |
| 23:59.31 | WDC | 127.0.1.1 (notice both ones) go to 76-240-25-136.gateway.2wire.net 76-240-25-136 |
| 23:59.43 | rhineheart_m | I need debian guru here. :) who is willing to assist me in installing realtek driver in a debian box ;) |
