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| 00:00.51 | zophy | how do the iceweasel versions correlate to the firefox versions ? |
| 00:01.35 | Ace2017_- | *i think* its something like firefox version = iceweasel version + debian patches |
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| 00:01.59 | unop | debian version = firefox version + debian patches :) |
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| 00:02.12 | up365 | Wel I have Iceweasel 3.0.6 on stable |
| 00:02.18 | Ace2017_- | oops |
| 00:02.19 | Tuxguy | hmm.. anyone remember a guy w/ the nick of like xorand? or something like that |
| 00:02.24 | Tuxguy | or xorxorand? |
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| 00:03.49 | pattern | can anyone recommend a good app that can be used to edit ogg videos ? |
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| 00:04.05 | quentusrex | Help. I can't get nfs to auto mount on boot... |
| 00:04.21 | quentusrex | as root: 'mount -a' mounts it |
| 00:04.24 | quentusrex | but it won't auto mount... |
| 00:04.28 | Tuxguy | xororand, ah, there you are... still around? |
| 00:04.43 | abrotman | Tuxguy: why can't you ask the rest of us? |
| 00:04.49 | nsadmin | maybe networking is not available when you mount |
| 00:05.24 | Tuxguy | abrotman, because it doesnt really concern you.. and its not a question, was going to tell him something i found out from a previous night |
| 00:05.33 | abrotman | Tuxguy: then msg him |
| 00:05.45 | abrotman | or /msg memoserv help |
| 00:05.49 | Tuxguy | thanks |
| 00:06.15 | jk- | hmm, anyone using nss-ldap in squeeze ? |
| 00:06.27 | keith4__ | jk-, lots of people |
| 00:06.32 | keith4__ | have |
| 00:06.56 | keith4__ | quentusrex, anything in dmesg? |
| 00:07.06 | jk- | let me reprhase that :) |
| 00:07.09 | jk- | hmm, anyone here using nss-ldap in squeeze ? |
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| 00:07.39 | quentusrex | keith4__: nothing in dmesg about nfs |
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| 00:11.36 | Ace2017_- | if your root filesystem gets mounted readonly do you reboot or do you press the reset button? |
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| 00:13.46 | abrotman | reboot ... |
| 00:14.14 | Ace2017_- | why reboot when the root filesystem is readonly? nothing can be saved or edited... |
| 00:14.40 | jk- | or just mount it read-write ? |
| 00:14.51 | Ace2017_- | jk-: how? |
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| 00:14.59 | jk- | mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 00:15.16 | Ace2017_- | can i fsck without rebooting? |
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| 00:15.36 | gnewb | Hello, this is fun |
| 00:15.46 | jk- | you could fsck it while it's mounted read-only |
| 00:15.47 | Ace2017_- | gnewb: what is? |
| 00:16.04 | Ace2017_- | jk-: wait, doesn't readonly mounting mean it cannot be written to? |
| 00:16.11 | abrotman | Ace2017_-: are all your filesystems readonly? |
| 00:16.17 | Ace2017_- | no just root |
| 00:16.29 | jk- | Ace2017_-: yes, but fsck doesn't access it through the filesystem |
| 00:16.37 | Ace2017_- | oh i get it, thats why i shouldn't reset |
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| 00:16.48 | Ace2017_- | jk-: now that i didn't know |
| 00:16.56 | gnewb | Ace2017: Just loaded PCBSD, giving it a spin, kinda fun |
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| 00:17.27 | Ace2017_- | i always thought the entire device was forced readonly |
| 00:17.39 | jk- | the mount is read-only |
| 00:17.55 | jk- | but the underlying device you can access however you like |
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| 00:18.27 | gnewb | I will try to find where these users meet, y'all have fun. |
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| 00:18.41 | castingcrowns | Anyone know how to get linux onto a usb drive to be able to boot from it, without a cdrom? |
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| 00:19.07 | Ace2017_- | castingcrowns: can your motherboard boot from usb? |
| 00:19.08 | keith4__ | castingcrowns, first google hit: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| 00:19.10 | macman | hia .. i just booted into the live cd of debian .. is there a way to start x or not ? |
| 00:19.32 | macman | or does the live cd even come with X ? |
| 00:19.37 | castingcrowns | Ace2017_-: yes it can boot from usb, just need to get a linux onto it to boot from it. |
| 00:19.48 | abrotman | macman: i would imagine it does .. |
| 00:20.03 | keith4__ | castingcrowns, actually, you might find more useful information here: http://wiki.debian.org/USB |
| 00:20.06 | macman | how would i start it from the command line .. startx and XFree86 didn't work |
| 00:20.10 | macman | also init 5 didn't work |
| 00:20.49 | lokus | macman: i would think it should have started automatically -- check /var/log for X server logs and see if there are errors |
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| 00:21.09 | AussieGuy | using iptables how would you ban all but one IP/domain name from a port? |
| 00:21.29 | macman | lokus, what am i looking for in the logs ? |
| 00:21.41 | keith4__ | AussieGuy, ask #iptables? |
| 00:22.06 | jk- | AussieGuy: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport <port> --src <IP> -j ACCEPT |
| 00:22.13 | jk- | AussieGuy: and DROP al others |
| 00:22.32 | AussieGuy | put the first one you said before the second one right? |
| 00:22.40 | AussieGuy | in the chain |
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| 00:22.44 | keith4__ | !doesn't work |
| 00:22.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 00:22.55 | macman | abrotman, and lokus init 5 should work right ? |
| 00:22.58 | castingcrowns | keith4__: So it seems to get it to work I would need to actually install the distro onto the usbdrive as if I were installing it onto a normal HD. |
| 00:23.01 | jk- | AussieGuy: yeah. |
| 00:23.07 | abrotman | macman: init levels 2-5 in debian are the same |
| 00:23.22 | macman | ok |
| 00:23.26 | jk- | (leave out the --src, and -j DROP) |
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| 00:23.38 | keith4__ | castingcrowns, "need"? no |
| 00:23.43 | macman | how about booting into single user .. and trying it .. would that work ? |
| 00:23.43 | keith4__ | that is certainly one option, though |
| 00:23.51 | keith4__ | macman, not a chance |
| 00:23.55 | macman | ok |
| 00:23.55 | lokus | macman: by checking for logs, for one if they dont exist there probably is no X server, if they do exist and you look at them and it gives you an error itll tell you why theres no x |
| 00:24.02 | lokus | put it together |
| 00:24.10 | macman | ok brb |
| 00:26.36 | pasky | hi, anyone knows whether it's possible to install on nfsroot? |
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| 00:27.17 | castingcrowns | keith4__: Im sorry, but do you know of a link to a how-to or something, because these links all seem to talk about what I want to do, but only give links that then point to other links, but give no usefull info on how to actually do this. |
| 00:29.18 | keith4__ | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/446 |
| 00:29.53 | keith4__ | bit out-dated, but the concept should be the same |
| 00:30.17 | keith4__ | e.g., that's for 3.1, and we're on 5.0 now |
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| 00:31.10 | castingcrowns | keith4__: Not sure it should matter. I just need to get linux booted from a usb drive because I want to clone the HD in a laptop I just bought///before I wipe it and install Linux. :(). |
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| 00:31.34 | keith4__ | and it doesn't have a CD drive? |
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| 00:31.43 | castingcrowns | correct, no cd drive |
| 00:31.44 | keith4__ | you can always netboot, too. but that might be trickier |
| 00:32.03 | castingcrowns | keith4__: well it does have a netboot option |
| 00:32.37 | castingcrowns | keith4__: I think it might be better to go the usb route since I would then also have it there should I ever need it in a hurry |
| 00:33.03 | bpun | i have a laptop that i ssh to (use multi distros on it).. I use the same static ip#.. i rebooted my machine into debian and i'm getting mitm messages and cant connect (i made ~/.ssh/config with StrictHostKeyChecking no and no luck) |
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| 00:36.32 | keith4__ | bpun, duh. unless you copy your ssh keys to all the different distros... it's going to look suspicious when the same IP has different keys |
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| 00:36.50 | _Hicham_ | why won't debian get back firefox? |
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| 00:37.32 | bpun | keith4, I dont care that's why I pointed out that variable ^^ |
| 00:37.54 | NiLon | _Hicham_ "Mozilla doesn't want Debian to use the Firefox name in its distribution so Debian is changing the name." |
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| 00:38.39 | Raven | what's the difference between ubuntu's and debian's kernel, and which is better for purely speed-based reasons? |
| 00:39.22 | ajavid | Raven, we don't know, we didin't take debian and make ubuntu |
| 00:39.36 | ajavid | Raven, ask ubuntu, they took debian and changed it, so they should know the changes they made |
| 00:39.43 | Raven | im aware, but i figured some if not many would know of some differences |
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| 00:39.49 | castingcrowns | keith4__: One more small favor, the link given for the iso is no longer available. Do you know which I should download? |
| 00:39.52 | ajavid | its offtopic here anyway |
| 00:40.02 | Raven | well it is related to debian's kernel :P |
| 00:40.03 | Raven | but ok |
| 00:40.05 | _Hicham_ | NiLon : it is not that they want to |
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| 00:40.11 | castingcrowns | keith4__: I am looking here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 00:40.19 | _Hicham_ | NiLon : did u read the bug page in 2006? |
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| 00:40.36 | indro | hi all |
| 00:40.40 | indro | in which package is alsaconf? |
| 00:41.23 | indro | on debian... |
| 00:41.25 | castingcrowns | keith4__: I think I found it. |
| 00:41.45 | Ace2017_- | indro: alsa-utils |
| 00:42.12 | indro | hm looked at it but its not there... |
| 00:42.34 | indro | and sudo alsaconf says command not found |
| 00:42.38 | indro | with alsa-utils installed |
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| 00:43.44 | indro | is there another way to restart sound device? |
| 00:44.17 | Ace2017_- | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.39 | indro | hmm, still no sound.. |
| 00:45.40 | keith4__ | indro, it's definitely in alsa-utils |
| 00:45.54 | keith4__ | NiLon, there's a wikipedia article about it |
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| 00:46.13 | Ace2017_- | keith4__: i also don't have it |
| 00:46.23 | Ace2017_- | it should be /sbin/alsaconf right? |
| 00:46.46 | indro | keith4__: http://rafb.net/p/sD8pax63.html |
| 00:47.21 | NiLon | keith4__ nice, sending carebear to you, just wait a moment |
| 00:48.18 | indro | dpkg -L alsa-utils | grep alsaconf |
| 00:48.19 | dpkg | No packages found matching alsa-utils | grep alsaconf |
| 00:48.20 | indro | doesnt return anything |
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| 00:49.28 | abrotman | thought alsaconf was deprecated .. but yes, it is in alsa-utils |
| 00:49.41 | keith4__ | indro, then you don't have alsa-utils installed |
| 00:49.55 | keith4__ | Ace2017_-, no: dpkg -L alsa-utils | grep conf: /usr/sbin/alsaconf |
| 00:50.12 | macman | guys i really didn't see anything in /var/log |
| 00:50.28 | keith4__ | macman, what *exactly* happens when you run "startx"? |
| 00:50.38 | indro | keith4__: it seems that new version of alsa-utils doesnt ship alsaconf anymore |
| 00:50.51 | indro | installed the alsa-utils from debian testing and there it is... |
| 00:51.03 | macman | keith4, nothing |
| 00:51.07 | indro | in debian unstable it is gone.. |
| 00:51.17 | macman | command not found as a normal user .. as root um.. nothing |
| 00:51.17 | keith4__ | why are you running unstable? |
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| 00:51.35 | indro | because of rolling release and newest software. ;) |
| 00:52.07 | keith4__ | macman, what's in /etc/X11? |
| 00:52.20 | keith4__ | indro, you're a fool |
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| 00:56.30 | indro | keith4__: why? |
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| 00:56.57 | keith4__ | !unstable |
| 00:56.57 | dpkg | i heard unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq><apt-listbugs><apt-listchanges>. |
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| 00:59.39 | indro | keith4__: didnt have any problems yet. |
| 00:59.46 | keith4__ | you will |
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| 01:00.21 | indro | sometimes a package is not installable but this is very rare. |
| 01:00.33 | indro | keith4__: i use debian unstable since years.. |
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| 01:01.44 | indro | if something is really broken there is warning/fix on sidux.com. |
| 01:01.57 | abrotman | indro: this channel does not support sidux |
| 01:02.41 | jelly-home | indro: do their fixes flow back to the distro, or are they only applicable to sidux itself? |
| 01:03.16 | indro | they flow back and are applicable on debian unstable. |
| 01:03.33 | indro | sidux is debian unstable with own scripts/kernel. |
| 01:03.47 | indro | abrotman: yeah i saw that on !unstable |
| 01:05.28 | abrotman | sidux is NOT debian, and is not supported here |
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| 01:06.45 | chuck | How do I fix all of these locale errors that I'm getting? |
| 01:06.51 | chuck | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 01:07.06 | keith4__ | maybe dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:07.09 | dondelelcaro | chuck: dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build your locale |
| 01:07.46 | khaije1 | clarify for me? locale is lang, time settings right? is it more than that? |
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| 01:08.12 | dondelelcaro | khaije1: and anything else that has to do with your specific locale, like how things are sorted, etc. |
| 01:08.13 | keith4__ | no. it's not even that |
| 01:08.17 | chuck | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:08.27 | keith4__ | oh, time settings like time format. yes |
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| 01:15.26 | khaije1 | dondelelcaro: ok, so it's kind of a hodge-podge category, no? |
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| 01:17.13 | castingcrowns | Not sure that link worked, I put the stuff on it likt it said, but when I booted to the usb, it just started the debian installer. |
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| 01:27.32 | castingcrowns | Is there not a working "live cd" setup out there that you can just drop onto a usb drive and get it to boot from that instead of a cd? |
| 01:29.11 | dondelelcaro | castingcrowns: there's no reason why there wouldn't be |
| 01:29.32 | dondelelcaro | you wouldn't just drop it onto a usb drive, but you could rather easily configure it |
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| 01:29.56 | izua | hey. |
| 01:29.57 | dondelelcaro | castingcrowns: see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| 01:30.16 | izua | i got a crapbox which i plan to use for experimentation/webserver/routing/etc |
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| 01:30.39 | izua | p2 @ 400MHz, 128 mb sdram, quite some antiquity :) |
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| 01:30.57 | izua | it only has ISA support, so I can't add it a network card (don't have any) |
| 01:30.59 | nsadmin | ram is a bit low these days... |
| 01:31.02 | castingcrowns | dondelelcaro: I looked at this and dont understand it at all. Does this require a currently running debian system/ |
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| 01:31.13 | dondelelcaro | castingcrowns: it requires a running linux system, yes. |
| 01:31.19 | izua | so.. i hooked up its hdd (a glorious 1.6GB) to my box |
| 01:31.34 | dondelelcaro | (or something that can do the the equivalent of dd, like winrawrite or something similar) |
| 01:31.36 | izua | is there any chance I can 'install' a kernel + some stuff to it? |
| 01:31.47 | dondelelcaro | izua: you can install Debian on it, no problem |
| 01:31.49 | izua | no working cdrom, either |
| 01:31.50 | castingcrowns | dondelelcaro: Well my distro is suse, but debian was always more helpfull, wioll this tech work with a suse system? |
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| 01:32.02 | izua | can i do it from my actual system? |
| 01:32.05 | at0m | izua, you might want to look at dedicated distributions for that |
| 01:32.14 | izua | or should i run the netinstall cd from my box |
| 01:32.15 | dondelelcaro | izua: shove the drive into a working machine, and install |
| 01:32.17 | izua | and then swithc hdds |
| 01:32.22 | izua | it's on my main machine right now |
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| 01:32.48 | dondelelcaro | izua: yeah, that's the easy way. I'd also try to find an ISA card... kind of odd for a P2 not to have at least one PCI slot |
| 01:32.56 | izua | i don't know.. for now, all i want is ssh, apache and mysql |
| 01:32.58 | nsadmin | can there be a direct maybe point to point link over a usb wire? |
| 01:33.11 | izua | i'll get one tommorow.. 4:33 right now :) |
| 01:33.16 | dondelelcaro | izua: well, kind of pointless to have any of those without a network card? |
| 01:33.32 | at0m | izua, how about usb? v1? |
| 01:33.35 | izua | yeah, for now. but i want to see it running, at the very least |
| 01:33.52 | dondelelcaro | izua: anyway, you can easily install onto a drive and shove it into the machine |
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| 01:34.07 | izua | heh, it has two x v1 usb, but my pendrives are at my gf.. |
| 01:34.14 | izua | ah |
| 01:34.16 | flourish | hello, a question about thunderbird. Can i read the local maildir emails use thunderbird or other apps with GUI? |
| 01:34.16 | izua | so its fine then |
| 01:34.30 | dondelelcaro | izua: yerp. It probably won't evne boot off of usb drives, so those are kind of useless |
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| 01:34.36 | izua | about special distros.. what would you recommend? |
| 01:34.52 | izua | dondelelcaro: forgot about booting over usb.. yeah, good point. |
| 01:34.52 | dondelelcaro | izua: I'd just use Debian, actually. I've got quite a few machines with similar specifications running Debian. |
| 01:34.54 | at0m | izua, i had an old laptop w/o network, bought a usb2lan adapter for it |
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| 01:35.02 | izua | heh |
| 01:35.08 | izua | i've got a bunch of other awesome laptops too |
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| 01:35.21 | dondelelcaro | izua: you're well beyond the minimum specs, so it shouldn't be a problem |
| 01:36.01 | izua | 400mhz, 128 mb is over the min specs? |
| 01:36.01 | dondelelcaro | sure |
| 01:36.05 | izua | heh |
| 01:36.18 | izua | the laptops i'm tlaking about are 20mhz, 4mb ram, 8mb hdd.. |
| 01:36.21 | naiv | Q: linuxdoc/debiandoc/Docbook ? |
| 01:36.26 | izua | monochrome display :) |
| 01:36.31 | dondelelcaro | the minimum spec is pretty much only memory, and that's just because of the package graph. So long as you're north of 40M, you've no problem. |
| 01:36.31 | izua | but i have no hopes for those |
| 01:37.01 | dondelelcaro | izua: you probably could get emdebian or similar running on them... but that's kind of a waste of time |
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| 01:37.16 | izua | yeah, prolly the regular debian is fine |
| 01:37.19 | izua | so.. ok |
| 01:37.24 | dondelelcaro | (linksys routers have more computer power than such a laptop) |
| 01:37.29 | izua | just switching hdds around shouldn't be much pain |
| 01:37.32 | izua | that's what i wanted to know |
| 01:37.37 | izua | with XP it's usually a huge pita |
| 01:37.46 | izua | is a new Debian user |
| 01:37.59 | izua | thanks! |
| 01:38.03 | izua | hope it works, hehe |
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| 01:39.20 | dondelelcaro | izua: about the only thing that'll be different is that you'll want to clear out /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-*.rules |
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| 01:44.32 | Crazy_Hopper | hello, guys. i need some help with http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521515 it's tagged wontfix by Bastian Blank. he talked about some 'documented way' of using 2.6.29 kbuild system for building third-party modules. so, could anybody please point me to that way? i didn't find anything myself. |
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| 01:45.59 | pablo | hi, why do i need to be root to use xsane? is there a way to avoid it? |
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| 01:46.28 | abrotman | pablo: what are the permissions on the scanner device ? |
| 01:48.01 | n3kl | Is there a way to supress prompting when installing a package, like when dpkg asks you to enter database information or passwords? |
| 01:48.39 | pablo | abrotman: how do i check? |
| 01:49.00 | abrotman | ls -l <whateverdeviceitis> |
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| 01:53.47 | Crazy_Hopper | pablo: for example, udev creates a device /dev/usb/lp with ownership of root:lp, 660, for my usb MFU. i just added myself into lp group and use it from my regular account |
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| 01:55.16 | pousson | i am trying to rescue my system. in the step of 'Partitioning Disk', if i only change a partition from "do not use" to "use as ext 2 filetype', and write the info to the partition, nothing else in the partition table will change, right? |
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| 01:56.41 | pablo | Crazy_Hopper: ok thanks |
| 01:56.48 | Crazy_Hopper | pousson: you don't change anything in the table by only changing the intended use of partition... if i understand you correctly |
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| 01:57.04 | draeath | Can anyone give me a lead on this: |
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| 01:57.35 | draeath | Is there some reason my drives will be lettered /dev/hda,hdc,hdd -- but then at random they are instead /dev/hde,hdg,hdh |
| 01:57.38 | Crazy_Hopper | is there anybody willing to help me with 2.6.29 kbuild system? |
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| 01:57.59 | draeath | I have to use UUIDs and /dev/disk/by-path to get a reliable block node |
| 01:58.07 | trentster | hey all, I have a ton of squid access log files that i need to run through a script "lightparser.pl" the files are numbered like access.log.40.gz , access.log.41.gz could someone help me with a correct command to run to parse then one after the other without typing each one at the command line? |
| 01:58.43 | Crazy_Hopper | trentster: man bash, man seq |
| 01:59.10 | draeath | The physical layout: MB has multiple SATA ports, and one IDE channel. One SATA drive on SATA-0, two CDROMS on the IDE> |
| 01:59.20 | draeath | SATA is using AHCI |
| 01:59.26 | pousson | Crazy_Hopper: sure about this, the FAT will be left untouched? |
| 01:59.55 | Crazy_Hopper | pousson: again, if i understood your question correctly. |
| 02:00.23 | pousson | Crazy_Hopper: in which way have i not made myself clear? |
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| 02:01.12 | Crazy_Hopper | pousson: the partition marked as don't use, which fs is on it now? |
| 02:01.31 | riot | how can i make gtk apps look _exactly_ like qt-apps? They already have the same style but not the colors i set up using qt4-config :( |
| 02:01.52 | pousson | Crazy_Hopper: it is not mounted on any fs. |
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| 02:02.31 | Crazy_Hopper | riot: try looking into gtk-qt-engine. |
| 02:02.58 | Orchid1 | can i install debian directly to a usb drive, i am not talking about copying a live bootable image of linux onto a usb pendrive. by the way its a 4gb drive. |
| 02:03.13 | Crazy_Hopper | pousson: i'm not asking whether it's mounted. i'm asking about the filesystem type. |
| 02:03.25 | abrotman | Orchid1: /msg dpkg usb install .. i think it's the last link |
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| 02:03.54 | AussieGuy | is it save to upgrade etch straight over to lenny? |
| 02:03.58 | pousson | Crazy_Hopper: since it is not being used, it has no fs type. |
| 02:04.00 | AussieGuy | apt-get upgrade |
| 02:04.05 | AussieGuy | *safe |
| 02:04.08 | Orchid1 | whats the link? |
| 02:04.11 | cesar_CR | trentster, for i in $( ls ); do lightparser.pl $i; done |
| 02:04.17 | riot | Crazy_Hopper: i tried that, but i'm not using kde. And as i mentioned: the gtk-style already looks almost like qt, except for the colors :/ |
| 02:04.18 | Crazy_Hopper | pousson: that partition isn't formatted at all? |
| 02:04.24 | riot | its all ugly-gray |
| 02:04.27 | abrotman | !tell AussieGuy about etch->lenny |
| 02:04.31 | abrotman | !tell Orchid1 about usb install |
| 02:04.43 | pousson | Crazy_Hopper: it is formatted as ext2 type. |
| 02:04.49 | Crazy_Hopper | riot: sorry, can't help then |
| 02:05.07 | pousson | Crazy_Hopper: and with data too, which I want to leave intact. |
| 02:05.09 | Crazy_Hopper | pousson: ok, then you should be in a clear |
| 02:05.35 | pousson | Crazy_Hopper: thks. |
| 02:05.42 | Crazy_Hopper | but as always, no guarantees |
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| 02:07.08 | pousson | Crazy_Hopper: hey, we are dealing with binary, its either true or false, yes or no, high or low, 1 or 0. So, either it is 100% safe or it is not. |
| 02:08.12 | Crazy_Hopper | pousson: i have to be intimately familiar with your history of hd use and its partitioning to be able to say for sure |
| 02:08.29 | Crazy_Hopper | i said what i could from the input you gave |
| 02:09.22 | Crazy_Hopper | weird guy |
| 02:09.47 | Crazy_Hopper | and again... |
| 02:09.54 | Crazy_Hopper | is there anybody willing to help me with 2.6.29 kbuild system? |
| 02:10.11 | trentster | cesar_CR, thanks |
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| 02:11.38 | JordiGH | aptitude wants to remove gnome when going from etch to lenny... apt-get wants to remove all of aptitude's automatically installed packages when doing the same. Is Marillat to blame? |
| 02:11.51 | cesar_CR | trentster, np |
| 02:12.22 | JordiGH | tries removing Marillat... |
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| 02:14.07 | khaije1 | Crazy_Hopper: what is kbuild? i only became aware of it as a result of it not being available for 2.6.28 |
| 02:14.41 | Crazy_Hopper | now it's 2.6.29 and it's there |
| 02:15.13 | Crazy_Hopper | i'm trying to find out how should third-patry modules be built now |
| 02:15.30 | Crazy_Hopper | now that linux-headers layout has changed |
| 02:17.42 | Orchid1 | whats wrong with dpkg: he says he will help and then insults me... |
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| 02:18.00 | simonrvn | it's a bot... jeez |
| 02:18.11 | JordiGH | !insult me |
| 02:18.12 | dpkg | You are nothing but a squishy enema-bucketful of knotty-pated pus |
| 02:18.19 | JordiGH | Ooh, that hurts. |
| 02:18.22 | JordiGH | !inuslt Orchid1 |
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| 02:18.26 | JordiGH | !insult Orchid1 |
| 02:18.27 | dpkg | Orchid1 is nothing but a fen-sucked gob of plume-plucked rat retch |
| 02:18.39 | Orchid1 | i new to linux, if anyone is not interested in helping me,ok. but to call me a moron is stupid. c'mon guys. |
| 02:18.44 | jelly-home | JordiGH: your spelling is already insulting! |
| 02:18.58 | simonrvn | Orchid1: it's. a. bot. |
| 02:19.23 | castingcrowns | dondelelcaro: Thanks, that usb thing worked great |
| 02:19.26 | jelly-home | and plume-plucked rat retch != moron |
| 02:19.31 | JordiGH | Orchid1: Hey, grow a spine and/or sense of humour. :-) It's a silly bot with randomised insults. Anyways, I don't think I was around for when you asked your question; what was it? |
| 02:19.32 | C4away | Random answer[144]: If you need help, please dial the operator. (from DJpyro) |
| 02:19.41 | simonrvn | jelly-home: yours too, your spelling was ok |
| 02:19.46 | Orchid1 | i'm not feeling well, its 7 in the morning here and i just got up. but if u guys instead of helping out , get together and insult me...then why this channel. |
| 02:19.56 | simonrvn | i certainly wasn't |
| 02:20.02 | castingcrowns | I have a question about "dd"...can I use it to create clone of a harddrive? |
| 02:20.11 | simonrvn | yes |
| 02:20.12 | abrotman | castingcrowns: yes |
| 02:20.17 | JordiGH | Orchid1: Uhm, unfortunately, we can't help with therapy, only with Debian. What's the Debian problem? |
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| 02:20.38 | castingcrowns | abrotman: How can I do that in a way that I can restore it like new down the road...partitions and everything. |
| 02:20.51 | simonrvn | very carefully |
| 02:21.00 | castingcrowns | lol |
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| 02:21.28 | Orchid1 | well i was asking about installing it to a usb drive and then dpkg started to insul me and say stupp.he started to piss me off. |
| 02:21.35 | castingcrowns | well is it basically, if=/dev/hdx of=location_of_img ? |
| 02:21.39 | sanmarcos | does debian patch ssh to need g-w on home dirs to use ssh key auth? |
| 02:21.46 | abrotman | JordiGH: that's why you don't use the bot to insult people when they don't understand it's a bot |
| 02:21.57 | simonrvn | Orchid1: 1) it's an "it", i.e., bot. 2) let it go. |
| 02:22.01 | abrotman | Orchid1: did you msg the bot about the usb install and look at the last URL ? |
| 02:22.09 | JordiGH | abrotman: I used the bot to insult myself first... Oh well. |
| 02:22.24 | simonrvn | castingcrowns: more or less, yes. |
| 02:22.37 | abrotman | JordiGH: it doesn't mean he understands ... obviously he didn't |
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| 02:22.43 | Orchid1 | hey he pm'ed me so i asked another question. |
| 02:23.07 | abrotman | Orchid1: dpkg is a bot, he told you about something i made him tell you .. he doesn't know the answer to everything |
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| 02:23.23 | klaz168 | Orchid1, chill.. dpkg is just a robot lol |
| 02:23.32 | Orchid1 | anyway, guys i got the link , but i need to ask u guys this, .. |
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| 02:23.52 | castingcrowns | simonrvn: Well I guess. if the drive had 2 partitions. and I use dd as i said, I can then reverese it and put the image back onto the drive and I should be fine right? Would I have problems booting then or what not? |
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| 02:24.21 | Orchid1 | when doing the installto a usb drive will the setup make changes to my hard disk, like install a boot loader to it? |
| 02:24.50 | Ace2017_- | how do you know where the files in lost+found came from? |
| 02:24.56 | Ace2017_- | are they all gzipped? |
| 02:25.05 | castingcrowns | I am in the debian live cd, how can I become root? what is the default password? |
| 02:25.07 | Crazy_Hopper | Orchid1: you are being asked about whether to install a boot loader anywhere |
| 02:25.37 | AussieGuy | is safe-upgrade enough? |
| 02:25.40 | abrotman | Ace2017_-: those are files from your filesystem .. apparently something bad happeend |
| 02:25.44 | AussieGuy | if I want most things |
| 02:25.46 | abrotman | !tell AussieGuy about etch->lenny |
| 02:25.49 | simonrvn | castingcrowns: well, you should take care that it'll be an exact image, so you'll need to either dd it back to a same sized drive, or mount it some way and cp stuff off the image... you might have to re-run grub-install - maybe, that part i'm not too clear on (i doubt you would need to, but it wouldn't hurt). |
| 02:25.50 | Ace2017_- | most of it is just gzip compressed data, from Unix, max compression |
| 02:25.56 | abrotman | !tell AussieGuy about lenny release notes |
| 02:26.07 | Crazy_Hopper | Orchid1: oh, are you talking about debian-installer, or is it something else completely? |
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| 02:27.18 | castingcrowns | simonrvn: Well its a laptop with windows on it, and I want to clone the drive and put it away for safe keeping so I can dump it and place linux on it. and should I need to, reload the origianl stuff back on later |
| 02:27.47 | Orchid1 | the thing is that i did not do a install yet, but have fedora live on my usb. it prevents me from making some changes. so i was wondering if i could install and not just copy a live image to a usb drive. and if a install linux on a usb pendrive , will the setup try to make changes to my hard disk , as i dont want it to. |
| 02:28.04 | Crazy_Hopper | castingcrowns: i'd recommend dd'ing the whole drive then |
| 02:28.29 | castingcrowns | yeah, thats what I was going to do...but Im not sure about special paramenters or anything. |
| 02:28.47 | castingcrowns | do I just need the if= and of= and thats it? |
| 02:29.03 | Crazy_Hopper | and bs for performance reasons |
| 02:29.15 | Crazy_Hopper | other than that, i guess it should be fine |
| 02:29.16 | castingcrowns | Ahh, and what might I place in the bs? |
| 02:29.29 | simonrvn | what s/he said |
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| 02:29.50 | Crazy_Hopper | Orchid1: sorry, can't really help. |
| 02:30.24 | Crazy_Hopper | castingcrowns: for my setups 4M usually works best |
| 02:30.38 | Crazy_Hopper | castingcrowns: ymmv |
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| 02:31.43 | castingcrowns | Crazy_Hopper: is there a way to tell what to use for my setup? |
| 02:32.25 | simonrvn | man dd; check your disk cache size |
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| 02:32.36 | Crazy_Hopper | what is your of? |
| 02:32.43 | Crazy_Hopper | is it on network?> |
| 02:33.00 | castingcrowns | Crazy_Hopper: no its another usb drive connected to the computer. |
| 02:33.09 | simonrvn | usb2? |
| 02:33.19 | Crazy_Hopper | 2M tops i'd say |
| 02:33.28 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 02:34.23 | castingcrowns | this is a bit of a side question, but I came across a site that talked about bs being the cylinder size...is this apropriate? |
| 02:35.09 | Crazy_Hopper | nope, that's a chunk size being read/wrote at the single cycle |
| 02:35.22 | Crazy_Hopper | man dd for details |
| 02:35.36 | simonrvn | man dd: |
| 02:35.37 | simonrvn | bs=BYTES force ibs=BYTES and obs=BYTES |
| 02:36.13 | simonrvn | ibs=BYTES read BYTES bytes at a time ;; obs=BYTES write BYTES bytes at a time |
| 02:36.27 | Crazy_Hopper | castingcrowns: ah, you mean they advise you to put the cylinder size into bs? |
| 02:36.44 | castingcrowns | Crazy_Hopper: yeah, I think thats what they were talking about. |
| 02:37.14 | simonrvn | bbialw |
| 02:37.35 | Crazy_Hopper | nah, forget it, just dd it :-) |
| 02:38.17 | Crazy_Hopper | wait a sec |
| 02:38.39 | Crazy_Hopper | is it a file on the of or the device? |
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| 02:39.25 | castingcrowns | Crazy_Hopper: this is a quote from the site I seen it at...I was wrong about the sector..this is what they said: Block size 32768 equal to 64 sectors times 512 bytes per sector so that the entire track is copied at a time. |
| 02:39.49 | castingcrowns | do they know what they are talking about? |
| 02:39.55 | castingcrowns | because I dont, lol |
| 02:40.01 | Crazy_Hopper | me neither |
| 02:40.08 | castingcrowns | but I want to make sure I get a good copy. hahaha |
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| 02:40.48 | Crazy_Hopper | but... is the source drive absolutely the same as the dest drive? |
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| 02:41.40 | castingcrowns | Crazy_Hopper: No, I was going to create an image with dd so I can just dd it back on later. clone the laptop drive...store it....reload in future should I need to... |
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| 02:42.25 | Crazy_Hopper | then the image should be stored as a file. |
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| 02:42.49 | Crazy_Hopper | don't try something like dd of=/dev/xxx |
| 02:42.51 | castingcrowns | Crazy_Hopper: Oh, yeah, the image will be stored as a file. I missunderstood you earlier. |
| 02:43.00 | Crazy_Hopper | ok |
| 02:43.05 | castingcrowns | but, lol |
| 02:43.23 | castingcrowns | Is there a way to place it onto a bigger drive and boot to it and see if the clone worked? |
| 02:44.22 | Crazy_Hopper | yes, it should work. but i guess you might have problems dd'ing it back from that drive. |
| 02:44.35 | castingcrowns | could I do "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb" sdb being bigger than sda...and see if it boots? Or is there more to it than that? |
| 02:44.36 | sanmarcos | does debian patch ssh to need g-w on home dirs to use ssh key auth? |
| 02:44.38 | Crazy_Hopper | that's why i recommend keeping a file |
| 02:45.18 | castingcrowns | Crazy_Hopper: Oh, no I intend on keeping the actual back up as a file, but I wanted to load it onto a nother drive and see if the back up was indeed a good backup. |
| 02:45.40 | Crazy_Hopper | castingcrowns: that should work given a proper fstab later |
| 02:46.46 | castingcrowns | cool. im going to give it a try. |
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| 02:47.21 | draeath | I think there's a bug in the debian kernel, probably it's in the linux vanilla. Although this is less a bug then features bleeding into each other. |
| 02:47.39 | draeath | The IDE driver is needed to use my cdroms, but when it loads it takes over my SATA drive. |
| 02:47.58 | draeath | How would i verify this, and is this something that is even 'fixable'? |
| 02:48.04 | Crazy_Hopper | draeath: take a look into your bios setup |
| 02:48.15 | draeath | I don't suppose it's possible to make a driver 'defer' till others are done loading? |
| 02:48.37 | Crazy_Hopper | make sure sata is ahci or something, but not ide |
| 02:48.40 | draeath | Crazy_Hopper: set to AHCI mode, Sata-IDE combined mode. Anything else, and it works in IDE emulation mode and slows down a touch, or I lose access to my IDE channel |
| 02:48.57 | draeath | other options are disabled, legacy IDE, native IDE |
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| 02:49.26 | Crazy_Hopper | don't know then. might be some peculiarity of your MB then |
| 02:49.27 | draeath | hah I think the best/easiest option.... |
| 02:49.33 | draeath | trash the IDE cdroms and go buy something modern |
| 02:49.54 | draeath | Crazy_Hopper: probably is the MB |
| 02:50.06 | Crazy_Hopper | if you boot ok w/o the cdrom, then yes |
| 02:50.10 | draeath | Crazy_Hopper: this thing has two sets of SATA/IDE chipsets, of different vendor. One for internal, other for external |
| 02:50.24 | Crazy_Hopper | %-) |
| 02:50.32 | draeath | Crazy_Hopper: this thing boots anything. Heck, a USB SD-Card reader boots :D |
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| 02:50.52 | draeath | Yea, eSata with IDE emulation. Now that makes sense. |
| 02:50.54 | Crazy_Hopper | no, that's not what i meant |
| 02:51.25 | draeath | What do you mean? |
| 02:51.39 | Crazy_Hopper | does the kernel boot sata modules for you hds when you disconnect the ide cdrom? |
| 02:51.55 | Crazy_Hopper | *for your |
| 02:52.02 | draeath | That I don't know, but the controller is still present to be detected |
| 02:52.16 | Crazy_Hopper | oh, of course |
| 02:52.22 | Crazy_Hopper | q withdrawn :-) |
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| 02:52.44 | Crazy_Hopper | try disab;ing it in bios |
| 02:52.46 | draeath | heh |
| 02:52.50 | draeath | That I might do |
| 02:53.15 | draeath | not tonight though. I'm done fiddling |
| 02:53.21 | draeath | took too long to figure out why i could only boot half the time |
| 02:53.29 | Crazy_Hopper | :-) |
| 02:53.36 | draeath | (random, disk would be /dev/hda or /dev/hde, one of those would break grub and /etc/fstab) |
| 02:54.05 | draeath | My workaround: use UUID for everything possible, cdroms are (thankfully) accesable though /dev/disk/by-path (which uses PCI addresses... which never change) |
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| 02:56.26 | dondelelcaro | if you're using udev, cdroms shouldn't change either. |
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| 03:03.15 | Crazy_Hopper | darn, i hate being stuck at 2.6.26 because of the build failure of nvidia modules.. |
| 03:03.58 | theholyduck | Crazy_Hopper, debian bug? nvidia bug? or just 2.6.28? |
| 03:04.22 | Crazy_Hopper | nvidia-kernel-source package bug |
| 03:04.40 | theholyduck | Crazy_Hopper, just get the latest beta one from nvidia then? |
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| 03:04.45 | theholyduck | who needs the debian package anyway |
| 03:05.17 | Crazy_Hopper | it won't build with current linux-headers layout of 2.6.29 packages |
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| 03:05.49 | Crazy_Hopper | all packages have to use kbuild noww |
| 03:06.00 | Jonanin | Hello, how can i make it so a script of mine can be run by any user, but it runs as root? |
| 03:06.20 | Crazy_Hopper | chown root script |
| 03:06.31 | Crazy_Hopper | chmod 4755 script |
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| 03:06.39 | fish | hello! |
| 03:06.47 | Jonanin | thank you |
| 03:06.48 | draeath | dondelelcaro: the drives did change. from /dev/hd(c,d) to /dev/hd(g,h) depending (as the first drive, the hard drive, would be either hda or hde) |
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| 03:08.50 | newfish | I try to install a package with dkpg, but I cannot install it at all |
| 03:09.06 | Crazy_Hopper | newfish: dependency problem? |
| 03:09.08 | newfish | and I cannot run apt-get anymore |
| 03:09.21 | newfish | the information is E: The package apturl needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 03:09.33 | Crazy_Hopper | try running apt-get -f install |
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| 03:10.03 | newfish | Crazy_Hopper, I tried that, but it didnt work |
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| 03:10.31 | newfish | I tried to install the deb package with dpkg |
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| 03:10.58 | newfish | the package isn't in repository |
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| 03:11.21 | Crazy_Hopper | why did dpkg fail to install? |
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| 03:11.34 | kenkend | what makes up a debian base system? it is saved by rsync or other backup utilities? |
| 03:11.41 | newfish | Crazy_Hopper, seems there are some python issues |
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| 03:14.31 | newfish | Crazy_Hopper, can you help me on this http://pastebin.ca/1376461? |
| 03:14.56 | newfish | Crazy_Hopper, thanks, since I cannot use apt-get, that is terrible |
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| 03:16.05 | castingcrowns | Does debian come with a stable kde4 yet? |
| 03:16.22 | newfish | I use gnome :] |
| 03:16.28 | Crazy_Hopper | newfish: i'd say you should purge that apturl and forget about it |
| 03:16.34 | Crazy_Hopper | what is it for at all? |
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| 03:16.46 | newfish | Crazy_Hopper, how to purge that? |
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| 03:16.54 | Crazy_Hopper | dpkg -P apturl |
| 03:16.54 | dpkg | Crazy_Hopper: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 03:17.25 | newfish | Crazy_Hopper, I tried that, but it didnt work |
| 03:17.29 | Crazy_Hopper | dpkg, noone asked you, a piece of code |
| 03:17.29 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Crazy_Hopper |
| 03:17.41 | Crazy_Hopper | newfish: why? |
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| 03:17.45 | kenkend | what makes up a debian base system? it is saved by rsync or other backup utilities? any answer for this? |
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| 03:17.57 | newfish | fish@Debian:~/Desktop$ sudo dpkg -P apturl |
| 03:17.57 | newfish | dpkg: error processing apturl (--purge): |
| 03:17.57 | newfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.57 | newfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.58 | newfish | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 03:17.58 | dpkg | newfish: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 03:18.24 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 03:18.36 | simonrvn | !lart newfish |
| 03:18.36 | dpkg | hauls newfish up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 03:18.40 | newfish | oh, my god |
| 03:18.56 | simonrvn | don't paste here, 'k |
| 03:18.59 | kenkend | newfish has become dead fish. |
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| 03:19.38 | Crazy_Hopper | newfish: dpkg -P --force-remove-reinstreq apturl |
| 03:19.42 | dacs | when i click on a mailto like, it will open evolution , how can i make the default to open with icedove |
| 03:19.50 | zeta | any QM guys here? |
| 03:19.51 | zeta | oops sorry |
| 03:19.54 | newfish | Crazy_Hopper, I tried that too |
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| 03:20.21 | Crazy_Hopper | then i'm lost, ask the gurus |
| 03:21.06 | kenkend | gurus, hands up, who are you? |
| 03:21.09 | newfish | Crazy_Hopper, where I can find them? |
| 03:21.25 | kenkend | in india, i suppose. |
| 03:21.27 | newfish | http://pastebin.ca/1376464 |
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| 03:21.57 | newfish | I googled the internet, but didnt find a solution |
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| 03:22.11 | newfish | means I cant use apt anymore? |
| 03:22.26 | stew | newfish: you should go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 03:22.35 | pl4yer0ne | newfish, use aptitude, its better at fixing broken packages |
| 03:22.41 | newfish | stew, I am using debian |
| 03:22.51 | newfish | pl4yer0ne, aptitude, but how? |
| 03:22.54 | stew | newfish: what version of apturl is installed? |
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| 03:23.07 | stew | newfish: where did you install apturl from? |
| 03:23.10 | kenkend | stew: if you don't know the answer, just admit it. don't ask him to go away. |
| 03:23.19 | newfish | apturl_0.1~tuxsoftware__all.deb |
| 03:23.25 | pl4yer0ne | newfish, it can remove and install in one go so it can sometimes fix what apt-get cant |
| 03:23.54 | newfish | stew, tuxsoftware.com maybe |
| 03:25.02 | newfish | do you have a repository for apturl? |
| 03:25.03 | stew | newfish: show us the ouptut of apt-cache policy apturl ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 03:25.26 | newfish | stew, I downloaded a deb package |
| 03:25.44 | stew | newfish: ok |
| 03:26.30 | newfish | stew, the output is http://pastebin.ca/1376469 |
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| 03:27.46 | stew | newfish: and what happens if you try to install the .deb with "dpkg -i /path/to/.deb"? |
| 03:28.32 | Kevin`_ | does debian have available an amd64 pvops-xen kernel? |
| 03:28.34 | newfish | stew, http://pastebin.ca/1376472 |
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| 03:29.14 | stew | newfish: right |
| 03:29.33 | stew | newfish: you should probably file a bug with whoever maintains this software |
| 03:29.53 | newfish | stew, is there anything I can do now? |
| 03:30.07 | newfish | use dkpg or sth else? |
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| 03:30.36 | newfish | stew, can I manually fix it, other than wait for a patch? |
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| 03:31.09 | Crazy_Hopper | the question is how to get rid of that package from the system |
| 03:31.21 | newfish | yes! |
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| 03:32.20 | Crazy_Hopper | newfish: does dpkg -P --force-all apturl work? |
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| 03:32.30 | stew | no |
| 03:32.40 | stew | you shouldn't use --force-anything |
| 03:32.42 | newfish | no... |
| 03:32.56 | newfish | it doesnt work |
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| 03:33.14 | stew | newfish: get the source of the package, edit the control file to include the missing XS-Python-Version / XB-Python-Versions headers, rebuild it and install the fixed package |
| 03:33.14 | Crazy_Hopper | stew: i thought of it as a last resort |
| 03:33.31 | stew | Crazy_Hopper: please don't |
| 03:33.36 | newfish | stew, that's a little difficult |
| 03:33.46 | newfish | this software is designed for ubuntu, so ... |
| 03:33.47 | stew | newfish: yes |
| 03:34.01 | stew | newfish: yes, and aparantly poorly maintained |
| 03:34.11 | newfish | that's bad.. |
| 03:34.19 | stew | newfish: actually that's not even going to work since you have to do something about the prerm script which is not broen |
| 03:34.43 | stew | newfish: yeah, this is why we'd recommend no using random third party debs designed for other distributions |
| 03:35.06 | newfish | stew, can I do sth else without touching the source code? |
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| 03:35.17 | stew | newfish: you'll have to edit the prerm script by hand to at least get it to uninstall, then figure out what it left behind in the python-centrol directories and clean that up manually |
| 03:35.28 | newfish | stew, I know that now |
| 03:36.35 | newfish | stew, could you give me some info on prerm script? |
| 03:36.50 | stew | newfish: the prerm is /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.prerm ; after uninstalling, check that /usr/lib/pycentral and /var/lib/pycentral and /usr/share/pycentral* don't have leftover traces |
| 03:36.58 | stew | newfish: what do you want to know about it? |
| 03:37.14 | newfish | stew, the info to remove this apturl is enough |
| 03:38.15 | stew | newfish: what else do you need to know other than what I've told you? |
| 03:38.45 | newfish | stew, I will try, thank you! |
| 03:39.09 | Crazy_Hopper | newfish: why did you try to install 0.1 version from some tuxsoftware instead of taking the latest from ubuntu? |
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| 03:39.34 | Crazy_Hopper | which is definitely more reliable |
| 03:39.53 | newfish | Crazy_Hopper, I dont think a ubuntu deb works for debian |
| 03:39.55 | Kevin`_ | anyone? |
| 03:40.13 | Crazy_Hopper | may be |
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| 03:45.24 | stew | no, one should not install debs for ubuntu on debian |
| 03:46.14 | newfish | steve, can i erase the prerm file? |
| 03:46.32 | newfish | i mean make the file empty |
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| 03:47.11 | joey_ | hey |
| 03:47.13 | stew | newfish: you can, but the package will leave stuff behind |
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| 03:47.28 | joey_ | gnome themes |
| 03:47.36 | newfish | stew, sure... but is it dangerous? |
| 03:48.08 | stew | newfish: i don't know anything about this prerm |
| 03:48.20 | stew | newfish: you can look at it and see what it is supposed to be doing |
| 03:48.59 | newfish | stew, ok, thank you |
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| 03:53.57 | newfish | stew, thank you, i removed the package, and i can use apt-get now, thank you so much! |
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| 03:57.15 | joey_ | gnome themes how do i get more themes |
| 03:57.29 | joey_ | like the mac os theme |
| 03:57.36 | newfish | one theme is enough ... |
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| 03:59.39 | zekAtreides | is there a way to know what the /dev ..... of my rs232 serial port is? |
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| 04:00.36 | kriebz | zekAtreides: on-board regular old PC serial port? |
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| 04:00.49 | dacs | zekAtreides: i know there is 'lsusb' & 'lspci' i don't know if there is for serial! |
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| 04:01.16 | kriebz | it's /dev/ttyS0 |
| 04:01.19 | kriebz | etc |
| 04:01.28 | zekAtreides | kriebz: yeah its on a laptop |
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| 04:03.15 | dacs | when i click on a mailto like, it will open evolution , how can i make the default to open with icedove? |
| 04:04.26 | beardy | Change your browser's settings. |
| 04:04.47 | kriebz | nah, there's a better way |
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| 04:05.45 | kriebz | dacs: read the man page for update-alternatives |
| 04:06.03 | kriebz | there might also be something in System->Preferences |
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| 04:07.33 | timido | hey i have a question how come i'm getting this error try to used the nvidia drivers. WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc, it will be ignored in a future release. |
| 04:07.42 | timido | FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.27.7/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such |
| 04:07.42 | timido | device |
| 04:07.59 | kriebz | it's a new thing in modprobe |
| 04:08.07 | kriebz | not sure what the party line is on that |
| 04:08.46 | timido | hmmm well i already try to installed the nvidia. driver and it worked. the installation was complete. but now i cannot load the driver. |
| 04:08.47 | kriebz | you can probably shut it up by moving nvidia-kernel-nkc to nvidia-kerne-nkc.conf |
| 04:08.52 | timido | since i'm getting that error |
| 04:08.58 | kriebz | oh |
| 04:08.59 | kriebz | huh |
| 04:09.15 | kriebz | what happens when you run `modprobe nvidia`? |
| 04:09.19 | timido | kriebz: can you tell me where can the file nvidia-kernel-nkc be at? |
| 04:09.36 | kriebz | timido: the path is in the error message ;-) |
| 04:09.38 | timido | kriebz: can you join #flood for a sec please |
| 04:09.44 | kriebz | oy |
| 04:10.27 | timido | kriebz: in that directory i see the nvidia.ko |
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| 04:10.55 | kriebz | no, I meant in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 04:17.54 | Milito | it sucks NERDS! |
| 04:18.23 | kriebz | whatever "it" is, I'll be sure to keep it away from my nerds. |
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| 04:23.21 | beardy | Let the nerds have their say first. |
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| 04:29.22 | mns | Anyone in here use lighttpd + fastcgi + php ? I've followed the configuration documentations that I've found on the net via google, but when I go to access my PHP script, the browser wants to download it. If I use PHP + CGI + lighttpd it works just fine ? Am I missing something or doing something wrong ? |
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| 04:30.14 | kriebz | have you tried looking for a fastcgi channel? |
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| 04:32.05 | mns | isn't fastcgi part of lighty ? |
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| 04:32.18 | kriebz | not sure |
| 04:32.23 | kriebz | still not debain specific |
| 04:32.40 | kriebz | (not chasing you, just thinking of things that would be more help) |
| 04:33.22 | mns | I tried asking in the lighttpd channel, didn't get a response, thought I would try here since I am running it on Debian/squeeze :) |
| 04:34.10 | kriebz | lighty is on my list of stuff to do... havn't gotten there yet |
| 04:34.43 | mns | kriebz: its nice. I like it. easy enough to config too, except this fastcgi thing .. lol |
| 04:34.54 | kriebz | yeah |
| 04:35.02 | kriebz | the more I use Apache, the less I like it |
| 04:35.27 | kriebz | it's OK. Very versatile |
| 04:35.48 | kriebz | but the config syntax makes me throw up a little in my mouth |
| 04:36.01 | mns | kriebz, only problem is that most everything comes with instructions on how to make the application work with apache and not much with lighty. |
| 04:36.37 | DogBoy | try finding support for fnord |
| 04:38.15 | mns | I take it that it is a web server ? :) |
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| 04:39.57 | DogBoy | the one I use mns |
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| 04:41.07 | mns | DogBoy: you use anything like Drupal with it as well ? |
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| 04:47.21 | rgr | Can anyone explain what might have happened here? My debian server shut off in the middle of an aptitude update. Power issue. When I rebooted it could not find root sat in initramfs ash shell. I edited the grub line by hand at reboot and sure enough grub was pointing to hda4 for root. hda4 went about 3 weeks ago when I replaced IDE drives with SATA. The system somehow rewrote the grub menu.lst. I suspect when it last installed a kernel |
| 04:47.21 | rgr | update. I did not reboot since its a mail server (and I forgot). I think the power problem forced the reboot and the grub menu which was updated by the last kernel updated somehow thought everything was on hda4. Why was that? What did I forget t change? hda4 is not even in the machine anymore and the menu.lst file corerctly edited to point to sda1 (new sata drive). Anyone? |
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| 04:48.01 | Ash-Fox | rgr, does grub support the filesystem you're using or is it using block data information to preload the kernel into memory? |
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| 04:49.11 | Ash-Fox | knows grub supports ext2, ext3 - beyond that, no idea if any are natively supported by grub and such require the block loading trick. |
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| 04:50.07 | Ash-Fox | In the latter scenario, your kernel was probably upgraded and grub setup wasn't updated for the new kernel. |
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| 04:55.10 | valdyn | rgr: you probably edited autogenerated entires directly in menu.lst |
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| 04:55.36 | rgr | valdyn: I assumed so, but what didnt I change to tell the system sda1 was boss? |
| 04:55.53 | rgr | I changed device.map to sa hdo sda |
| 04:55.59 | rgr | s/sa/say |
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| 04:56.09 | valdyn | rgr: look for the line with "grep kopt /boot/grub/menu.lst/ |
| 04:56.10 | ZykoticK9 | Is there any way to move updates/programs from one system to another? I'd like to update and install apps on one computer and copy them to a system which doesn't have internet. I tried copying the contents for /var/cache/apt but this doesn't bring the apt database with it, so the system without network doesn't see anything as being installable? I also tried using a "for file in *.deb; do dpkg -i $file; done" which was funny as it tried to inst |
| 04:56.10 | ZykoticK9 | all everything alphabetically of course which stopped quickly as dependencies weren't met. |
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| 04:56.26 | rgr | valdyn: kopt? |
| 04:56.47 | valdyn | rgr: thats what i wrote |
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| 04:57.04 | rgr | I was asking "why kopt" is all. |
| 04:57.13 | valdyn | rgr: read it |
| 04:57.26 | valdyn | rgr: its documented in menu.lst |
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| 04:59.43 | rgr | was commented out so should not have affected it. |
| 04:59.53 | valdyn | rgr: but it does |
| 05:00.11 | rgr | wow? even when commented out it overrides the usage of device.map? |
| 05:00.30 | valdyn | rgr: update-grub processes the comments |
| 05:00.42 | rgr | valdyn: thanks for the info. never ever knew that. |
| 05:00.43 | valdyn | rgr: no, commenting it out makes it what it is |
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| 05:01.30 | valdyn | rgr: it doesnt override devices.map really |
| 05:02.02 | valdyn | rgr: devices.map is used for the disk in "grub-install /dev/whatever" |
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| 05:02.10 | rgr | valdyn: when I moved my system fro man IDE to a SATA drive I didnt find any reference to kopt in the howtos I referenced. |
| 05:02.16 | valdyn | rgr: stuff in menu.lst has nothing to do with that |
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| 05:02.54 | rgr | valdyn: ok, just seems kind of counter intuitive. But I can live with that. I got it working and replaced the kopt line so at least I know where to start if it happens again. Thanks. |
| 05:03.08 | valdyn | rgr: because its debian magic, its only documented in howtos specifically for debian |
| 05:03.19 | rgr | Hmmm :-; |
| 05:03.28 | valdyn | rgr: you're not the first one not reading those comments |
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| 05:28.09 | Stanlin | Help!! |
| 05:28.17 | Stanlin | what is the package name for hibernation? |
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| 05:30.41 | mosno | firehol's manpage talks about /etc/init.d/iptables, but i can't find this file, even with apt-file... what gives/ |
| 05:30.43 | mosno | ? |
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| 05:31.41 | smacnay | anyone here tried picasa for linux... and have any recommendations? |
| 05:32.10 | mosno | (aah, it was removed in Sarge) |
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| 05:40.25 | norkand | i have two hds, one an ide and the other a sata. the ide holds the current system in hda2while the sata is for backup in sda3. now i am trying to rescue my hda2 with a netinst cd. i can mount hda2 but not the sda3. the error msg is that "special device /dev/sda3 does not exist". how to overcome this? |
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| 05:43.37 | norkand | where is everyone? asleep? |
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| 05:49.12 | norkand | debian should be renamed as deadbian. |
| 05:50.27 | dondelelcaro | norkand: it's probably not /dev/sda3. See what device it actually is. |
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| 05:51.42 | norkand | dondelelcaro: thks but i don't understand you. how to 'see what device it actually is"? |
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| 05:57.34 | dondelelcaro | norkand: check dmesg |
| 05:58.16 | dondelelcaro | norkand: just because it was /dev/sda, it may not be /dev/sda any longer |
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| 06:01.30 | norkand | dondelelcaro: i see, thks. |
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| 06:08.57 | dondelelcaro | qiyong: depends on the machine, but generally, installing lm-sensors and running sensors after configuring your sensors (run sensors-detect) will tell you |
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| 06:13.48 | devhell_ | is it safe to remove madwifi-source and madwifi-tools after an update to linux-image-2.6.29 (support is now in the kernel if I'm correct)? |
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| 06:13.59 | liable | yes |
| 06:14.08 | devhell_ | thank you liable |
| 06:14.12 | liable | yw |
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| 06:18.41 | anoHito | how do i check Fully Qualified Domain Name in debian ? |
| 06:18.50 | dondelelcaro | anoHito: hostname --fqdn |
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| 06:31.29 | mynewlow | hi |
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| 06:32.04 | ememtoitptnbr | hello |
| 06:32.06 | ememtoitptnbr | are there linux kernel forks? |
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| 06:32.52 | khaije1 | ememtoitptnbr: do you mean fork() or a kernel tree branch? |
| 06:33.08 | ememtoitptnbr | the latter |
| 06:33.16 | ememtoitptnbr | like a completely separate direction |
| 06:33.24 | ememtoitptnbr | somebody goes 'this kernel is bulky, let's make it more like BSD' or something |
| 06:34.01 | khaije1 | well there aer branches, but they are still linux, there are also completely different kernels (though perhaps not as mature) |
| 06:34.05 | project2501a | heavens forbit if someone says that in the kernel mailing list! |
| 06:34.27 | ememtoitptnbr | i want to start patching my kernel to death |
| 06:34.29 | ememtoitptnbr | where do i begin |
| 06:34.51 | project2501a | read o'reily's kernel book. |
| 06:35.04 | ememtoitptnbr | what's the animal on the cover |
| 06:35.08 | khaije1 | basically the kernel is flexible enough to not need a complete branch to do most things |
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| 06:35.37 | ememtoitptnbr | i suppose that's why stuff like hal is in daemonspace huh |
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| 06:36.04 | khaije1 | uh... |
| 06:36.10 | ememtoitptnbr | umm |
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| 06:37.45 | khaije1 | well i don't know if there is a yes or no answer to that question |
| 06:38.00 | ememtoitptnbr | it wasn't really a question |
| 06:38.02 | ememtoitptnbr | more like a musing |
| 06:38.30 | ethanol | Well that was rude. |
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| 06:38.33 | khaije1 | but it's easy to config a kernel to all kinds of custom niches, bug small etc |
| 06:38.37 | ccpl | Hi all |
| 06:38.50 | ethanol | I got a notice from Anikkka when I joined #debian |
| 06:38.51 | ethanol | ): |
| 06:38.55 | ethanol | -Anikkka- hable y conozca a gente con foto en el chat de memolas * es |
| 06:39.00 | ethanol | Anyone here speak Spanish? |
| 06:39.04 | ememtoitptnbr | yeah |
| 06:39.05 | ememtoitptnbr | let's see... |
| 06:39.20 | ccpl | i got a problem with synaptic |
| 06:39.37 | ememtoitptnbr | i just don't remember what 'conozca' and 'memolas' mean |
| 06:39.52 | ccpl | whenever i open it ,i get a message saying coul not read package lists |
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| 06:40.03 | ememtoitptnbr | it speaks |
| 06:40.05 | ethanol | chat and talk with guys with pictures on the chat memolas? |
| 06:40.08 | ememtoitptnbr | and it knows people with photo in chat |
| 06:40.09 | ememtoitptnbr | memolas... |
| 06:40.11 | ethanol | or chat and connect |
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| 06:40.24 | ethanol | gente, ah yea, people |
| 06:40.45 | ethanol | !ops |
| 06:40.46 | dpkg | it has been said that ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 06:41.01 | ethanol | dpkg: ops spambot Anikkka |
| 06:41.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ethanol complains about: spambot Anikkka |
| 06:41.21 | ememtoitptnbr | goddammit it where is lore'z NOT an op |
| 06:41.56 | ccpl | where are the package lists stored |
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| 06:42.05 | ccpl | maybe i could delete them |
| 06:42.20 | ethanol | Why ccpl ? |
| 06:42.34 | ememtoitptnbr | dpkg: ops annoying ability for people to get people banned based on typing dpkg: ops 'i dislike person x' |
| 06:42.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ememtoitptnbr complains about: annoying ability for people to get people banned based on typing dpkg: ops 'i dislike person x' |
| 06:42.40 | ememtoitptnbr | nothing personal to you ethanol |
| 06:42.46 | ememtoitptnbr | but i hate those things |
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| 06:43.08 | ethanol | shrugs |
| 06:43.17 | liable | thats why the ops dont just come in guns blazing.. |
| 06:43.31 | ememtoitptnbr | do they not? |
| 06:43.36 | ccpl | ethanol:because synaptic says could not read package lists |
| 06:43.42 | linkslice | I'm trying to install debian over a serial console but the curses installer is all garbled...anyone know of any flags I can use to set this? |
| 06:44.42 | ccpl | ethanol:will deleting them help? |
| 06:44.53 | ccpl | so that i can re-download them? |
| 06:45.10 | ememtoitptnbr | ¿yo piensa a veces en cómo el koala me seducirá maravillosamente con el icepick, qué pregunta usted pidió eso perteneció a la gravedad pero no hizo pertenece a la luz? |
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| 06:47.00 | noob | My terminal cannot connect to the internet |
| 06:47.19 | ememtoitptnbr | how'd you get here then |
| 06:47.27 | noob | i had to manually set the proxy settings for XChat and iceweasel |
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| 06:47.40 | ememtoitptnbr | set env http_proxy |
| 06:47.50 | ememtoitptnbr | or uh |
| 06:48.02 | ememtoitptnbr | what? |
| 06:48.07 | ememtoitptnbr | do you need a proxy? |
| 06:48.12 | noob | yes |
| 06:48.20 | noob | i am connected to a network |
| 06:48.36 | ememtoitptnbr | that is often the case |
| 06:48.57 | noob | port 6584 |
| 06:49.08 | noob | how can i set it for a console? |
| 06:49.13 | ememtoitptnbr | ??? |
| 06:49.18 | ememtoitptnbr | what are you trying to do exactly |
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| 06:49.32 | noob | trying to run aptitude or apt-get |
| 06:49.54 | ememtoitptnbr | is your proxy supplied by your ISP |
| 06:50.14 | noob | no |
| 06:50.24 | ememtoitptnbr | then what's the problem |
| 06:50.27 | ememtoitptnbr | ¿yo piensa a veces en cómo el koala me seducirá maravillosamente con la daga, qué pregunta usted pidió eso perteneció a la gravedad pero no hizo pertenece a la luz? |
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| 06:50.31 | ememtoitptnbr | can't you just connect directly |
| 06:50.36 | noob | no |
| 06:50.38 | ememtoitptnbr | pastebin ifconfig -a |
| 06:51.03 | noob | im in an internal network |
| 06:51.15 | ememtoitptnbr | and the router is the proxy? or what |
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| 06:52.31 | noob | http://pastebin.com/m155878df |
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| 06:53.10 | noob | i have a broadband connection with ccproxy |
| 06:54.49 | noob | ememtoitptnbr:what do you make of that? |
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| 06:55.23 | ememtoitptnbr | makes it |
| 06:55.34 | ememtoitptnbr | looks like you're behind a router |
| 06:55.36 | ememtoitptnbr | ;) |
| 06:55.40 | ememtoitptnbr | open 192.168.1.1 in firefox |
| 06:56.18 | ememtoitptnbr | or whatever browser |
| 06:56.19 | ememtoitptnbr | assuming that's its address |
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| 06:56.19 | devhell_ | 192.168.0.1 |
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| 06:56.24 | noob | devhell_:right |
| 06:56.25 | ememtoitptnbr | that is slightly more likely yes ;) |
| 06:56.33 | noob | opened |
| 06:56.40 | ememtoitptnbr | now fiddle ;) |
| 06:56.41 | noob | its a blank page |
| 06:56.46 | ememtoitptnbr | that is bad |
| 06:56.55 | noob | wait |
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| 06:57.18 | noob | cant i set the network settings for the terminal separately |
| 06:57.29 | noob | like in xchat and firefox? |
| 06:57.29 | ememtoitptnbr | why would you do that |
| 06:57.31 | linkslice | noob: what's netstat -nr say? maybe you just need default gateway? |
| 06:57.55 | ememtoitptnbr | thank god we have DHCP nowadays |
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| 06:58.16 | noob | destination is 192.168.0.0 |
| 06:58.32 | noob | gateway is 192.168.0.1 |
| 06:58.45 | ememtoitptnbr | that sounds fine |
| 06:58.47 | noob | genmask is 255.255.255.0 |
| 06:58.51 | ememtoitptnbr | what did you configure xchat with |
| 06:58.52 | ememtoitptnbr | as a proxy |
| 06:58.54 | linkslice | that's all fine |
| 06:59.20 | noob | Settings>Preferences |
| 06:59.31 | ememtoitptnbr | winces |
| 06:59.39 | linkslice | i think he means what did you use as the proxy? |
| 06:59.51 | linkslice | 192.168.0.1:port? or ... ? |
| 06:59.59 | devhell_ | noob: the ip adress perhaps of the proxy.. |
| 07:00.06 | ememtoitptnbr | coughs up a lung |
| 07:00.10 | linkslice | if it wasn't for you're nick I'd call you a newb right now ;) |
| 07:00.10 | noob | 192.168.0.1 |
| 07:00.17 | noob | i am |
| 07:00.26 | noob | port 6584 |
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| 07:00.32 | noob | type http |
| 07:00.37 | linkslice | I think NAT is broken on the router |
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| 07:00.49 | linkslice | my best guess anyway |
| 07:01.02 | linkslice | you don't get anything when trying to access 192.168.0.1 in a browser? |
| 07:01.10 | noob | blank page |
| 07:01.15 | linkslice | what kind of router is it? |
| 07:01.28 | nsadmin | it's not 1.1? |
| 07:01.41 | noob | how do i know? |
| 07:01.47 | ememtoitptnbr | this is exhausting |
| 07:01.51 | ememtoitptnbr | i'm going to go cry myself to sleep |
| 07:02.16 | noob | but why only the terminal?? |
| 07:02.18 | linkslice | nsadmin: no, he has a pastebin above |
| 07:02.45 | nsadmin | hmm... what is the router? a debian with ipmasq installed? |
| 07:02.59 | noob | whats set env http_proxy? |
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| 07:03.16 | nsadmin | setenv is csh |
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| 07:03.44 | nsadmin | for "set a variable that spawned processes will inherit" |
| 07:03.51 | linkslice | noob: is the router one provided by your ISP? |
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| 07:04.09 | noob | ok |
| 07:04.11 | noob | yes |
| 07:04.32 | linkslice | Does it have a brand name on it? |
| 07:04.38 | ememtoitptnbr | turn the router upside down |
| 07:04.41 | ememtoitptnbr | and cover it with daisies |
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| 07:04.54 | ememtoitptnbr | sacrifice a pigeon to a god of your choosing |
| 07:05.04 | linkslice | draw a face on it but use X's for the eyes |
| 07:05.05 | noob | ememtoitptnbr:im not joking |
| 07:05.12 | ememtoitptnbr | neither am i... |
| 07:05.24 | noob | my router is alive |
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| 07:05.42 | nsadmin | uhoh, better kill it |
| 07:05.43 | noob | there are other PCs using windows |
| 07:05.46 | linkslice | I think the ISP has NAT turned off but the DHCP server hands a proxy address, that's why terminal can't ping but browser works....or something |
| 07:05.56 | linkslice | best guess |
| 07:06.22 | noob | linkslice:i had to set the browser proxy settings myself |
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| 07:06.34 | nsadmin | ok, go to one of those window machines and run winipcfg |
| 07:06.36 | linkslice | how'sd you know what port to use? |
| 07:06.52 | linkslice | ISP documentation? |
| 07:06.53 | nsadmin | and see if the address starts with 192.168 |
| 07:07.04 | noob | nsadmin:yes it does |
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| 07:07.16 | noob | 192.168.0.1 is the gateway |
| 07:07.17 | nsadmin | so it is natting |
| 07:07.23 | ememtoitptnbr | does winipcfg still even work |
| 07:07.31 | ememtoitptnbr | just do cmd ifconfig /all |
| 07:07.35 | linkslice | nsadmin: not necessarily, just having that IP doesn't mean NAT is on |
| 07:07.37 | devhell_ | not in >XP afk |
| 07:07.55 | devhell_ | afik |
| 07:08.04 | nsadmin | having that IP and able to get out on the net without a proxy does |
| 07:08.09 | linkslice | I can go turn nat off on my firewall and turn a proxy on, point my browsers at it and it would work as he describes |
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| 07:08.18 | achilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.23 | jetscreamer | well the default 'i didn't get an ip' is weird, 169.xxx iirc, in win |
| 07:08.30 | jetscreamer | so you can tell |
| 07:08.44 | noob | what do i do now?? |
| 07:08.58 | jetscreamer | man arp? |
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| 07:09.01 | kriebz | get a new ISP |
| 07:09.12 | nsadmin | it occurs to me I don't know what the original problem is |
| 07:09.18 | linkslice | noob: it sounds like it's working as ISP wants it too, what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 07:09.31 | linkslice | nsadmin: me too :-) |
| 07:09.32 | ememtoitptnbr | turn your computer upside down |
| 07:09.40 | ememtoitptnbr | aim a hose at it |
| 07:09.45 | linkslice | put daisies on it? |
| 07:09.47 | jetscreamer | oh try the 'clone mac address' option in your router, if you have it |
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| 07:09.51 | linkslice | ah you mixed it up on me |
| 07:09.55 | ememtoitptnbr | lol |
| 07:10.09 | nsadmin | daisy hoser |
| 07:10.12 | noob | The problem:TERMINAL cant connect to internet |
| 07:10.22 | kriebz | that makes no sense |
| 07:10.24 | linkslice | noob: what aspect of terminal? |
| 07:10.25 | noob | like wget w3m lynx aptitude ... |
| 07:10.27 | jetscreamer | some isp's latch onto the first mac they see |
| 07:10.44 | jetscreamer | 'comcast time warner' |
| 07:11.09 | noob | linkslice:got it? |
| 07:11.10 | kriebz | noob: take that windows box and use it research your model of modem and/or router, and your ISPs common practices |
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| 07:11.33 | kriebz | then decide weather or not you want to try to crack your router (if it's even locked) |
| 07:11.47 | noob | actually i dont need my terminal |
| 07:11.55 | kriebz | blasphemy! |
| 07:12.12 | noob | but now my package lists are corrupted so i need to run aptitude update |
| 07:12.24 | linkslice | export http_proxy=http://username:password@proxyserver.net:port/ |
| 07:12.30 | linkslice | export ftp_proxy=http://username:password@proxyserver.netport/ |
| 07:12.43 | linkslice | try that |
| 07:12.51 | noob | linkslice:i dont need any username and password |
| 07:12.58 | linkslice | well take that part out then |
| 07:13.14 | noob | what? |
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| 07:13.29 | noob | export http_proxy=? |
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| 07:14.27 | jetscreamer | !greet dondelelcaro |
| 07:14.28 | kriebz | dude, google |
| 07:14.28 | dpkg | Wassup, dondelelcaro |
| 07:14.30 | kriebz | please |
| 07:14.30 | linkslice | export http_proxy=http://192.168.0.1:6584/ |
| 07:14.31 | kriebz | http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/02/how-to-use-apt-get-behind-proxy-server-ubuntudebian.html |
| 07:14.41 | dondelelcaro | ememtoitptnbr: all the ops things does is tell operators to check out what's happening |
| 07:14.45 | linkslice | export ftp_proxy=http://192.168.0.1:6584/ |
| 07:14.50 | ememtoitptnbr | yes |
| 07:14.51 | ememtoitptnbr | i know |
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| 07:14.57 | DoubleRx2 | My wifi connection doesn't come up again if my router reboots - is there some way to reinitialize when that happens? |
| 07:14.58 | ememtoitptnbr | sometimes they don't... |
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| 07:15.12 | linkslice | kriebz: I don't want to explain google |
| 07:15.13 | ememtoitptnbr | sometimes they just ban without looking |
| 07:15.19 | kriebz | lol |
| 07:15.20 | dondelelcaro | ememtoitptnbr: well, it almost never happens here, and in the cases when it does, it's trivial to fix. |
| 07:15.22 | noob | linkslice:ill run that in terminal? |
| 07:15.31 | linkslice | yes |
| 07:15.35 | ememtoitptnbr | even if they do look |
| 07:15.35 | noob | linkslice:what will that do? |
| 07:15.40 | ememtoitptnbr | i still have a problem with that |
| 07:15.42 | dondelelcaro | (and frankly, people who abuse it are likely to be silenced anyway) |
| 07:15.50 | linkslice | it will cause me to sign off and go have a smoke |
| 07:15.51 | jetscreamer | should be self explanatory |
| 07:15.53 | linkslice | kthnxbye |
| 07:15.57 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; you'll have to live with your problem, then |
| 07:16.01 | ememtoitptnbr | linkslice you're my new pal |
| 07:16.04 | jetscreamer | exports to the environment |
| 07:16.10 | ememtoitptnbr | let's go get shakes and make out |
| 07:16.18 | jetscreamer | do a 'set' in terminal |
| 07:16.25 | noob | set what? |
| 07:16.31 | jetscreamer | just set |
| 07:16.43 | dondelelcaro | DoubleRx2: iwconfig wlan0 ap any; or similar will do it |
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| 07:16.46 | jetscreamer | nice long list |
| 07:16.47 | noob | its WORKING! |
| 07:16.53 | noob | thanks a lot linkslice |
| 07:17.02 | dondelelcaro | DoubleRx2: it's a bug in the wireless drivers that it doesn't re-negotiate in such cases, but... |
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| 07:17.13 | noob | now i wont have to use synaptic |
| 07:17.24 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 07:17.30 | jetscreamer | (dson't use it) |
| 07:17.33 | jetscreamer | don't |
| 07:17.33 | kriebz | lol |
| 07:17.39 | Just4Now | can i get a copy of a working debian 5 or better pci.ids file from someone please? |
| 07:17.54 | liable | !pciids |
| 07:17.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pciids is run update-pciids or see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device" |
| 07:17.55 | jetscreamer | update-pciid? |
| 07:17.56 | dondelelcaro | Just4Now: just run update-pciids |
| 07:17.59 | jetscreamer | s |
| 07:18.17 | Just4Now | i'm on windows and need to take it to a machine that has no working ethernet :( |
| 07:18.24 | Just4Now | via usb drive |
| 07:18.31 | jetscreamer | use the link |
| 07:18.32 | DoubleRx2 | dondelelcaro: ok, I'll try that. Quite annoying |
| 07:18.37 | jetscreamer | luke |
| 07:18.47 | digx | hey guys, I'm trying to figure out how to avoid having a package install certain extra packages -- basically I don't want to have to install mysql/python/perl just for apache when I know it's not necessary. can someone guide me? |
| 07:18.55 | dondelelcaro | Just4Now: http://pciids.sourceforge.net/v2.2/pci.ids |
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| 07:19.09 | jetscreamer | that's trivial in dselect btw |
| 07:19.14 | noob | hey |
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| 07:19.22 | noob | i have a problem in aptitude |
| 07:19.30 | kriebz | you don't say |
| 07:19.30 | dondelelcaro | digx: apache doesn't depend on mysql, python, or perl |
| 07:19.32 | Just4Now | whoa, you rock dondelelcaro |
| 07:19.35 | jetscreamer | i have a problem 'with' aptitude |
| 07:19.38 | noob | export http_proxy=http://192.168.0.1:6584/ |
| 07:19.42 | noob | sorry |
| 07:19.47 | noob | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.53 | digx | dondelelcaro: I know, but it wants to install it in extra packages, so how do I get it to not install those? |
| 07:20.19 | jetscreamer | --without-suggests --without-recommends |
| 07:20.21 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 07:20.25 | jetscreamer | man aptitude |
| 07:20.33 | dondelelcaro | digx: man aptitude; and see the options that jetscreamer mentioned. |
| 07:20.35 | digx | ah nice, thanks |
| 07:20.52 | digx | bah, man aptitude > the apt docs |
| 07:20.52 | noob | ill pastebin aptitude update? |
| 07:21.06 | jetscreamer | once i did both with --with, when aptitude first came into debian |
| 07:21.13 | jetscreamer | both were options |
| 07:21.20 | jetscreamer | afaik now one is gone |
| 07:21.29 | jetscreamer | it wasn't a good idea |
| 07:21.42 | jetscreamer | (for me to do, taking it out was) |
| 07:21.44 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: they're still both options, but you have to use the -o method to get them |
| 07:21.47 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 07:21.56 | jetscreamer | i seriously use dselect |
| 07:22.01 | jetscreamer | works fine for me |
| 07:22.06 | ajavid | yo |
| 07:22.10 | jetscreamer | hey dude |
| 07:22.34 | dondelelcaro | prefers aptitude, if for no other reason than the search interface |
| 07:22.43 | noob | right |
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| 07:22.56 | noob | but now its giving me problems |
| 07:23.03 | jetscreamer | dselect just searches in the package name i believe |
| 07:23.09 | ajavid | aptitude is a step up |
| 07:23.16 | jetscreamer | not the tags or descriptions |
| 07:23.29 | kriebz | I can't stand fullscreen package managers |
| 07:23.38 | noob | like synaptic? |
| 07:23.48 | ajavid | like aptitude he means |
| 07:23.53 | kriebz | like aptitude if you just type it bare |
| 07:23.57 | kriebz | or dselect |
| 07:23.59 | jetscreamer | i see all the new packages as they become available on my machine, not much to search |
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| 07:24.00 | ajavid | aptitude is a fullscreen one, at least in cli |
| 07:24.11 | dondelelcaro | aptitude doesn't have to be a fullscreen one, not that it really matters. |
| 07:24.19 | noob | aptitude update outputs this: http://pastebin.com/m8216885 |
| 07:24.22 | kriebz | yeah, it emulates apt-get |
| 07:24.44 | noob | some problem with package lists |
| 07:24.48 | dondelelcaro | noob: if you're getting bad header line, something is wrong with the proxy |
| 07:25.04 | noob | why? |
| 07:25.09 | kriebz | huh |
| 07:25.19 | noob | see this:http://pastebin.com/m8216885 |
| 07:25.21 | kriebz | is lynx or w3m installed? |
| 07:25.22 | subsume | Doesn't anyone want to talk to me? |
| 07:25.36 | noob | subsume:about what? |
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| 07:25.40 | kriebz | subsume: do you have a question? |
| 07:25.41 | dondelelcaro | noob: because it's munging things form the package lists, presumably. |
| 07:25.49 | jetscreamer | don't you need more in your sources? |
| 07:25.54 | subsume | Maybe I have answers to questions your heart wants to ask, but can't. |
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| 07:26.08 | kriebz | is that a bot? |
| 07:26.26 | jetscreamer | or where is your sources.list |
| 07:26.32 | noob | /etc/apt |
| 07:26.37 | subsume | *something unspontaneous and bot-like here* |
| 07:26.42 | subsume | anywho, keep on debianing. |
| 07:26.48 | noob | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 07:27.01 | jetscreamer | pasted |
| 07:27.07 | noob | jetscreamer:?? |
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| 07:27.20 | noob | ill pastebin sources.list? |
| 07:27.22 | jetscreamer | paste your sources.list? |
| 07:27.26 | noob | ok |
| 07:27.34 | jetscreamer | !comfort subsume |
| 07:27.34 | dpkg | There, there, subsume. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:27.40 | subsume | Excellent. |
| 07:27.46 | subsume | I have achieved The Result |
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| 07:29.15 | kriebz | noob: when you first used your browser in windows, did you have to type anything in? |
| 07:29.35 | kriebz | it looks like apt might be hitting a captive portal page instead of what it wants |
| 07:29.45 | noob | jetscreamer:http://paste2.org/p/174170 |
| 07:29.49 | linkslice | ok back that was a good smoke and I deserved it |
| 07:29.55 | jetscreamer | http://paste2.org/p/174170 |
| 07:29.57 | TiMiDo | how do i changed my time on my computer? |
| 07:29.57 | noob | welcome back |
| 07:30.01 | TiMiDo | rdate? |
| 07:30.18 | linkslice | noob: you get all sorted out? |
| 07:30.25 | noob | yup |
| 07:30.30 | noob | export worked |
| 07:30.44 | linkslice | ememtoitptnbr: so about that milkshake and makeout....;-) |
| 07:30.47 | kriebz | TiMiDo: man date |
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| 07:30.50 | ajavid | jetscreamer, http://ajavid.pastebin.com/d4d08bd90 ;) I haven't slept in almost 3 days... |
| 07:30.57 | kriebz | TiMiDo: also, install ntp |
| 07:31.10 | ajavid | jetscreamer, ZF is all I do now heh. |
| 07:31.22 | noob | linkslice:but now i have a problem with aptitude |
| 07:31.32 | TiMiDo | kriebz, done now how do i changed the time? |
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| 07:31.43 | kriebz | do what it says |
| 07:31.52 | linkslice | TiMiDo: man date, you set the time with date |
| 07:31.52 | jetscreamer | noob: looks good, i dunno, iirc there's a --clear-available option, or you could try ftp.us.debian.org instead.. |
| 07:31.57 | ajavid | jetscreamer, I have a little war going on between netbeans, eclipse/pdt and zend studio |
| 07:32.11 | kriebz | first, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata to make sure youre in the right time zone |
| 07:32.20 | ajavid | though only two are available in debian, both java based |
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| 07:32.24 | noob | jetscreamer:actually japanese mirrors are fast |
| 07:32.27 | ajavid | why is everything fucking java based |
| 07:32.28 | noob | for me |
| 07:32.30 | ajavid | wtf :/ |
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| 07:32.37 | ajavid | ahhhh boy whatever |
| 07:32.39 | noob | i stay in india thats why |
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| 07:32.49 | jetscreamer | i tried the sun thing once |
| 07:32.58 | ajavid | noob, south or north? |
| 07:33.04 | jetscreamer | not netbeans but some other name |
| 07:33.13 | kriebz | TiMiDo: then use google to look up how to actually set the date with the date command |
| 07:33.18 | noob | ajavid:why? |
| 07:33.23 | ajavid | noob, why not? |
| 07:33.23 | jetscreamer | it beat the shit outta me |
| 07:33.27 | kriebz | TiMiDo: then install ntp |
| 07:33.27 | kriebz | TiMiDo: so it stays that way |
| 07:33.28 | noob | ajavid:i stay in WB |
| 07:33.33 | linkslice | java sucks, I wish it would be deprecated |
| 07:33.36 | ajavid | warner bros? |
| 07:33.37 | linkslice | from the internet |
| 07:33.42 | ajavid | wtf is a wb |
| 07:33.47 | noob | ajavid:West Bengal |
| 07:33.51 | ajavid | oh |
| 07:34.04 | jetscreamer | noob: i wasn't thinking about fast, i was thinking about a different url in the sources to see if it errors also |
| 07:34.06 | ajavid | ok so you speak banga? |
| 07:34.08 | ajavid | Banlga? |
| 07:34.12 | ajavid | or Hindi? |
| 07:34.15 | linkslice | ajavid: was about to ask how the animaniacs are |
| 07:34.18 | linkslice | ;) |
| 07:34.18 | noob | hindi |
| 07:34.24 | ajavid | cool |
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| 07:34.39 | noob | jetscreamer:ok ill try |
| 07:34.40 | ajavid | oops s/Bangla* |
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| 07:34.48 | jetscreamer | nn |
| 07:34.55 | ajavid | dunno why my finger has a habit of hitting the lg instead of gl |
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| 07:35.20 | ajavid | noob, jetscreamer ki itni gaand na le yaar, bohot boorha insaan hai |
| 07:35.22 | ajavid | ;) |
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| 07:35.35 | noob | jetscreamer:http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian? |
| 07:35.51 | jetscreamer | yeah that's one |
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| 07:35.58 | noob | ajavid:kitna age hai? |
| 07:36.01 | noob | k |
| 07:36.06 | jetscreamer | i usually ftp:// though |
| 07:36.09 | ajavid | das hazar saaal |
| 07:36.10 | ajavid | ! |
| 07:36.15 | ajavid | lol |
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| 07:36.37 | tuv | looks for #debian.en |
| 07:37.01 | ajavid | #debian-in or #debian-ur |
| 07:37.06 | noob | jetscreamer:i cant use ftp |
| 07:37.12 | ajavid | word |
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| 07:37.31 | jetscreamer | http://ftp is usual... iirc http://http:// works too |
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| 07:38.21 | noob | jetscreamer:http://ftp.us.debian.org will work? |
| 07:38.25 | ajavid | jetscreamer, I have 13 stale domains setup on hfds.com and it won't allow me to remove them, it doesn't work when I try to remove. Can you help sometime? |
| 07:38.28 | ajavid | whenever |
| 07:38.53 | ajavid | noob, yes |
| 07:39.06 | noob | k |
| 07:40.33 | noob | same problem |
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| 07:40.37 | noob | ill pastebin |
| 07:40.43 | jetscreamer | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 07:41.16 | noob | http://paste2.org/p/174178 |
| 07:41.24 | jetscreamer | or http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ should work too .... maybe your proxy is freaking out because it says ftp ... beyond me |
| 07:41.38 | noob | read this:http://paste2.org/p/174178 |
| 07:42.16 | linkslice | maybe you don't need a proxy for ftp sessions. perhaps the router uses a transparent proxy? try export ftp_proxy='' |
| 07:42.51 | jetscreamer | ajavid: which ones do you want to keep |
| 07:43.31 | noob | same problem with http |
| 07:43.50 | ajavid | jetscreamer, none |
| 07:44.00 | ajavid | wipe em all |
| 07:44.08 | ajavid | like a baby poop thingy |
| 07:44.13 | ajavid | whatever |
| 07:44.51 | noob | apt-get is giving lesser errors |
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| 07:45.05 | noob | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz2 Bad header line |
| 07:45.28 | noob | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/non-free/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz2 Bad header line |
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| 07:45.51 | linkslice | noob: try lynx http://security.debian.org/ |
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| 07:46.03 | linkslice | and see if you get a page |
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| 07:46.44 | noob | i dont have lynx |
| 07:46.51 | noob | ill try w3m? |
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| 07:47.28 | noob | w3m works |
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| 07:48.36 | noob | linkslice:w3m worked |
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| 07:51.17 | linkslice | noob, ok that was to verify that the proxy works, now try w3m http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/non-free/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz2 |
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| 07:54.18 | jetscreamer | ajavid: you're a frosted flake :) |
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| 07:54.45 | noob | linkslice:not found |
| 07:54.52 | jetscreamer | frosted frosted frosted |
| 07:55.29 | linkslice | noob: then you need a new mirror |
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| 07:55.40 | noob | linkslice:should i remove security.debian.org from sources.list and try? |
| 07:55.46 | linkslice | the proxy is working but you are getting a 404 not found from the server |
| 07:55.48 | linkslice | sure |
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| 07:56.49 | noob | linkslice:you were right |
| 07:57.00 | noob | i removed security and it works now |
| 07:57.14 | noob | but then how will i get security updates now? |
| 07:57.15 | linkslice | :-D |
| 07:57.20 | Just4Now | anybody know where to get version 0.62 of forcedeth.ko? |
| 07:57.25 | linkslice | find a mirror that works |
| 07:57.26 | Just4Now | all by itself? |
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| 07:57.53 | noob | linkslice:there are unofficial mirrors for security>? |
| 07:58.03 | jetscreamer | and ajavid... because i had to do all this, you're going to have to pay three times as much this month |
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| 07:58.54 | jetscreamer | open up the .run probably |
| 07:59.03 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/ |
| 07:59.07 | norkand | what is the command to configure a base system? |
| 07:59.18 | jetscreamer | tasksel i think |
| 07:59.19 | Just4Now | jetscreamer, is that the forcedeth? |
| 07:59.36 | ajavid | lol |
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| 07:59.53 | jetscreamer | Just4Now: somewhere there you can probably find it.. all i know |
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| 07:59.57 | linkslice | no you will want to find an offical updates mirror on the site, or maybe the one you are looking for is missing some files right now, not really sure, but look on the debian page to find the mirrors list |
| 08:00.03 | Just4Now | ok, that's not it but thank you |
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| 08:03.12 | norkand | base-config does not work, what is the command to config the base system? |
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| 08:05.30 | jetscreamer | man tasksel |
| 08:05.38 | jetscreamer | !base-config |
| 08:05.39 | dpkg | it has been said that base-config is something to run to configure your base install and is obsolete in etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/12/msg00259.html for status and see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html#id302610 for manual setup instructions |
| 08:05.50 | jetscreamer | !tasksel |
| 08:05.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (eg. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
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| 08:06.05 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 08:06.06 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
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| 08:08.37 | jelly-home | that... is a bit old a solution |
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| 08:09.02 | jetscreamer | works very well though |
| 08:09.42 | Just4Now | would anyone here be willing to send me a copy of forcedeth.ko? |
| 08:09.44 | anoHito | can we access as root from different area using different IP at the same time on one same machine ? |
| 08:09.48 | anoHito | via ssh |
| 08:10.21 | jetscreamer | that's not how it works Just4Now , afaik |
| 08:10.30 | jetscreamer | needs to be compiled for your kernel |
| 08:10.46 | jetscreamer | !forcedeth |
| 08:10.47 | dpkg | forcedeth is, like, the open-source nvidia ethernet driver, for nforce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 kernels or higher, or ask me about <forcedeth mac> |
| 08:11.06 | jetscreamer | you should have it |
| 08:11.09 | tdn | I regularly take backup from one Debian server to another. I use rsync for the backup. Each time rsync runs, I get errors like this: rsync: readlink "/somepath/path/.INBOX.programming.fpc-core/cur/1238325702.P21246Q0M900039.mail:2," failed: Permission denied (13), however I have checked the permissions and they're no different than a lot of files that *are* copied without error. Also the permission error does not make sense because the backup job is run |
| 08:11.48 | tdn | It needs to be said that the paths that gives the permission errors change on each run. |
| 08:12.19 | tdn | Could this have anything to do with the fact that I am using NFS? |
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| 08:13.23 | tdn | Note that I do not use SELinux. |
| 08:13.39 | C4away | who does? |
| 08:13.47 | C4away | I surely don't |
| 08:14.04 | C4away | the only people who use selinux are those who haven't yet disabled it |
| 08:14.30 | tdn | C4away, do you use rsync? Do know how to debug the above error? |
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| 08:14.57 | C4away | not really, just wanted to make a jab at selinux |
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| 08:15.31 | C4away | might be in use |
| 08:15.36 | C4away | locked for writing |
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| 08:17.59 | jetscreamer | ajavid: all go bye-bye |
| 08:18.15 | ajavid | word |
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| 08:29.59 | Shadur | Man. Nagios has some serious power under the hood. |
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| 08:36.47 | temoto | What's analog of "scp -r dir remote:remdir" for ftp? |
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| 08:40.35 | norkand | i am trying to rescue my 'testing' system which is in /dev/hda2. i have a backup in /dev/sda3. problem is, the sda3 cannot be mounted. err msg : special device /dev/sda3 cannot be used. dmesg has a line that goes: sda2<sda5>sda3, sda4. what is it all about? |
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| 08:42.13 | norkand | i am doing the rescue with a netinst cd. |
| 08:46.01 | omry|work | is it possible to reboot through the grub boot menu? |
| 08:46.45 | omry|work | never mind, got it |
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| 08:52.35 | brokenfix | my soudn is not working |
| 08:52.39 | brokenfix | sound* |
| 08:53.05 | brokenfix | i updated lenny yesterday.. it hasn't been working since then |
| 08:53.26 | brokenfix | i installed squeeze now.. clean install |
| 08:53.29 | brokenfix | still.. nothing |
| 08:54.13 | brokenfix | "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory" |
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| 08:54.42 | brokenfix | alsaconf says it didn't find any supported pnp or pci card |
| 08:55.12 | brokenfix | it was working fine yesterday |
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| 08:59.09 | Ohan | hello guys |
| 08:59.27 | Ohan | i'm looking for some help on configuring/troubleshooting tftpd-hpa |
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| 08:59.55 | Ohan | it seems to be working (when i connect locally), but i can't seem to have it be used by anoter server for PXE booting (with bootps) |
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| 09:00.26 | buffoon_work_ | Ohan, did you setup a dhcp server with the next server option? |
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| 09:00.34 | Ohan | i have a message "ARP TIMEOUT" and then a "can't establish connection" when the server tries to do something with the tftp |
| 09:00.38 | Ohan | buffoon_work_, nope, bootp |
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| 09:01.18 | buffoon_work_ | so the client gets an IP Address and loads the menu when trying to boot from network? |
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| 09:01.23 | Ohan | it says : "TFTP cannot open connection" |
| 09:01.28 | ac3 | Hi |
| 09:02.05 | Ohan | buffoon_work_, it doesn't load anything, i think it can't even retrieve the file from the tftp |
| 09:02.06 | buffoon_work_ | are the TFTP Paths right? |
| 09:02.13 | Ohan | but i'm not even sure it's trying on the correct ip |
| 09:02.26 | Ohan | buffoon_work_, they should... if i try to connect locally, it does work perfectly well |
| 09:02.43 | tdn | C4away, well... I have just checked the particular files from one of the transfers is definetely *not* written to. It is some old mails in a maildir. But this is on a maildir that is only an archive and is not used at the time of the transfer. |
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| 09:03.17 | Ohan | buffoon_work_, i think it should get pxelinux.0, right? |
| 09:03.34 | Ohan | and if i do a "get pxelinux.0" on my tftp server, locally, it works ok |
| 09:03.42 | Ohan | so i guess the paths are ok |
| 09:04.01 | Ohan | i do have strange "PXE-E11: ARP timeout" errors on the server though |
| 09:04.07 | Ohan | (on the server trying to boot from pxe) |
| 09:06.37 | ac3 | I updated my scsi controller from BusLogic to LSI Logic in VMware, and now i´m not able to boot anymore. Error message: volumegroup debian not found. I booted with a livecd and updated the initrd but no luck |
| 09:06.40 | ac3 | any ideas? |
| 09:08.59 | Ohan | buffoon_work_, according to google, it might be some switch/hub that could block ARP requests... |
| 09:09.06 | Ohan | in which case, i'm f*cked |
| 09:09.17 | buffoon_work_ | that's possible yes... |
| 09:09.27 | Ohan | i can't even find a way to check if there's requests to my tftp server |
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| 09:09.35 | Ohan | the tftp server doesn't seem to log anything |
| 09:09.47 | Ohan | or i don't know where's the log file, (and google doesn't either;) |
| 09:09.51 | buffoon_work_ | maybe you can raise up the log level... |
| 09:10.02 | buffoon_work_ | you can try syslog... |
| 09:10.10 | Ohan | nothing in syslog |
| 09:10.31 | Ohan | there's a -v option, i'll try that |
| 09:11.07 | buffoon_work_ | well, i don't know... i never had to debug a tftp server... it always worked for me... |
| 09:11.48 | Ohan | yay, with -vvvv i do have requests logged in syslog ;) |
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| 09:12.16 | buffoon_work_ | =) |
| 09:12.59 | Ohan | good call |
| 09:13.16 | Ohan | ok, now i'm sure that there's no request coming to my tftp server from the server using pxe... |
| 09:13.18 | Ohan | bad bad bad |
| 09:16.33 | buffoon_work_ | but you get an IP Address and the client is trying to fetch something? |
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| 09:17.13 | buffoon_work_ | if yes it sounds really like a problem on the switches... |
| 09:18.37 | buntfalke | Isnt 'transcode' in debian?! |
| 09:18.56 | Ohan | buffoon_work_, it does get an ip address, and the "dhcp ip" (which i guess is the "tftp ip") is indeed the correct one |
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| 09:19.33 | buffoon_work_ | buntfalke, no, it's in debian-multimedia |
| 09:20.22 | buntfalke | i see. same for mpegtools then i guess. thanks |
| 09:20.52 | buntfalke | Though isnt it possible to simply disable the unwanted codecs at compile time in this case? |
| 09:21.57 | buffoon_work_ | should be yes... they did it on mplayer |
| 09:22.16 | buffoon_work_ | but i don't know why they didn't it on transcode... |
| 09:22.27 | buffoon_work_ | I'm no DD |
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| 09:32.02 | anoHito | i met a very stange problem |
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| 09:41.39 | flourish | hello. question about environment. how can i find the file/place to set the value of envs as much as possible? |
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| 09:54.54 | ma3x | is 30 0 7 * * for 00:30 every 7th day of the month? |
| 09:55.26 | technoid_ | I believe so |
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| 09:55.58 | ma3x | but doesn't the last asteriks (every day of week) confuse the whole thing? |
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| 09:56.34 | inad922 | hello |
| 09:56.41 | technoid_ | not in my head, but I can see what you mean |
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| 09:57.11 | inad922 | Could someone paste me a shell command with which I can compare 2 directory trees? |
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| 09:57.36 | inad922 | like with diff on individual files? |
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| 09:58.57 | nkuttler | inad922: diff |
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| 09:59.04 | jelly | inad922: diff -r ? |
| 09:59.22 | XB23 | guys will this run every 10 mins |
| 09:59.23 | XB23 | */10 * * * * wget -r -N --no-host-directories --user=user --password=pass ftp://82.47.88.88/ -P/home/xb23/webs |
| 09:59.31 | jelly | inad922: diff -Nru old new > my.patch |
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| 09:59.57 | inad922 | err thanks jelly |
| 10:00.04 | inad922 | guess I should have read the man page |
| 10:00.14 | jelly | !rtfmsmite inad922 |
| 10:00.21 | jelly | dpkg: hey |
| 10:00.22 | dpkg | what's up |
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| 10:03.58 | MrWax | if i want to cat all files in a dir that contain arch, but they can be called like blablaarch 00arch etc |
| 10:04.01 | MrWax | how do i do this? |
| 10:04.08 | MrWax | that containt the filename with arch |
| 10:04.35 | technoid_ | cat *arch |
| 10:04.36 | Eulex | cat *arch* |
| 10:04.46 | Eulex | look up globbing. |
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| 10:08.00 | slacker_nl | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs05.html.en < this page mentions partman, but in which package can i find it? apt-file only mentions a installer (running etch btw) |
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| 10:10.03 | XB23 | guys can wget mirror a local directory exactly to a ftp directory? |
| 10:10.07 | XB23 | so if a file exists locally and is removed from the ftp wget will remove it from the local directory? |
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| 10:16.03 | slacker_nl | XB23: with ftp no |
| 10:16.37 | XB23 | ah ok |
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| 10:21.38 | jerry_ | How do I get the amount of network transfer using netstat? According to some examples I found, the output like http://rafb.net/p/eoPqhs69.html is supposed to show the number of bytes directly. However, my output is http://rafb.net/p/P3n5XA88.html. Why is it different? And how do I get the bytes transferred from the latter output? |
| 10:22.46 | CuteAlien | hi. I'm trying to add a local printer in Lenny/KDE and always get an Authorization Dialog at the end which does fail for all accounts (including root). Anyone knows the problem and has a solution for me? |
| 10:23.41 | CuteAlien | A way to get my printer running without kde-dialogs would also be fine - all I wanna do is print... |
| 10:24.57 | CuteAlien | aww... just now found out I can enable it afterwards despite the errors. ok, not nice, but works. |
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| 10:32.00 | Xeross | i've just installed pear and some pear packages on my debian the files are there and the include path points to that dir, but when trying to include it can't find the files |
| 10:32.11 | Xeross | Failed opening required 'MDB2.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in |
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| 10:36.43 | nayx | Xeross: installed the "php-mdb2" package? |
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| 10:36.56 | nayx | is MDB2.php in /usr/share/php ? |
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| 10:37.54 | Xeross | ye it is, but i've found it i need to set safe mode include dir |
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| 10:43.29 | Xeross | can't find another file that also exists now |
| 10:43.35 | Xeross | Error: unable to find package 'MDB2_Driver_mysql' file 'MDB2/Driver/mysql.php' |
| 10:43.42 | Xeross | while it's installed |
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| 10:44.32 | Xeross | php-mdb2 doesn't exist |
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| 10:44.54 | Xeross | if your talking about aptitude |
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| 10:50.47 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 10:50.52 | kroddn | which architecture do i have to download for core i7 machines, if i want to have 64 bit? |
| 10:51.03 | gypsymauro | how can I redirect all connection on port 1234 to port 4321 of the same host? |
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| 10:51.29 | gypsymauro | I'm in the lan so isn't a firewall rule |
| 10:51.30 | jorgenpt | Hi. :-) |
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| 10:51.52 | jorgenpt | If I have dhcpd3 installed, but I want to disable the service "for now", how do I proceed? update-rc.d? |
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| 10:52.06 | hashier | hej |
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| 10:56.48 | hashier | I've found typo in a manpage. What to do now? Open a bug report? |
| 10:57.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeah. |
| 10:57.51 | stuarticus | Hi, having problems with intermittent crashes on my box. Struggling to diagnose. Box went completely down over the weekend, not responding to http, vnc, ssh or telnet. The last aapache logs show hits from w00t.w00t.sans (a known vulnerability scanner). Any advice on where to look for problem? |
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| 11:01.56 | Danielss89 | Hi, i'm SSH'ing to my server running debian, and i have nano open, but i cant seem to figure out how to copy and paste text in the document |
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| 11:02.55 | AcTiVaTe | Select it with left mouse button and paste with middle ie mousewheel? Or otherwise left + right mouse button |
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| 11:04.33 | Danielss89 | thx AcTiVaTe |
| 11:04.50 | AcTiVaTe | Your welcome :D |
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| 11:12.18 | lng | hi! how to find out why /etc/init.d/myscript doesn't start on boot? ps it could be run manually and it works |
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| 11:12.34 | lng | how display init.d apps? |
| 11:13.06 | nkuttler | lng: rcconf is nice, or man update-rc.d |
| 11:13.55 | lng | nkuttler: i used update-rc.d to add it to 15 run level |
| 11:14.06 | stuarticus | How do I access /var/mail/user files? |
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| 11:15.16 | anoHito | hi nkuttler ,may i pm you ? |
| 11:15.40 | nkuttler | lng: ? |
| 11:15.55 | lng | nkuttler: my script is there |
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| 11:16.00 | lng | hm... |
| 11:16.02 | nkuttler | anoHito: um, ask your question here first |
| 11:16.07 | lng | it depends on java |
| 11:16.26 | anoHito | nkuttler, okay, would you ping www.my-ehome.net what IP you got ? 122 one or 60 one ? |
| 11:16.50 | nkuttler | anoHito: 122.225.102.208 |
| 11:16.52 | anoHito | my multiple ip server,i am testing the auto dns resolv function |
| 11:16.53 | lng | probably, it could'n work b/c it has no java at this point of boot sequence |
| 11:17.10 | anoHito | oh ,hmm that is not that i want,anyway, thanks nkuttler |
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| 11:23.27 | careta | can anyone tell me the difference between /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog |
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| 11:32.02 | iceberg | hello |
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| 11:36.29 | _daniel_ | how can I find the glibc version currently installed on my system? |
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| 11:40.59 | SPF | _daniel_: apt-cache showpkg libc6 |
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| 11:43.29 | sarmisak | hi all |
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| 11:44.16 | sarmisak | I have a debian server, it leases DHCP addresses but I would like to disconnect unknown clients, how can I set it up, does anyone have an idea? |
| 11:45.06 | petemc | sarmisak: you can easily give dhcp3 a list of mac addresses |
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| 11:45.45 | sarmisak | petemc: yes I did, but it does not disconnect if I set my IP manually in the same subset as the DHCP server leases. |
| 11:45.48 | icedtea | is there a way to monitor which files on my system get written too? |
| 11:45.59 | petemc | sarmisak: oh, thats beyond the scope of dhcp |
| 11:46.15 | icedtea | I want the hard drive too sleep and cache and files written too in ram |
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| 11:46.28 | sarmisak | petemc: ok, can you recommend something about it? |
| 11:46.42 | petemc | iptables i guess, its not something ive done |
| 11:47.16 | sarmisak | hmm, I would have to write a rule for every MAC address at hand, I'll google a little more I think |
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| 11:49.26 | iceberg | i have problem, i had php5 packages from debian distrubution, i removed them and add new repositories, and i am trying to install new packages, but i have errors like this http://pastebin.com/m630a6f71 , can i force replace old libraries with new ones ? |
| 11:49.41 | iceberg | new packages from new repositories |
| 11:49.48 | LightKnight | Hi there. Anybody who had problems with the speaker (beep) with the latest alsa-lib (libasound2?) in squeeze? |
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| 11:53.16 | ArcticPenguin | Debian is cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches |
| 11:53.52 | ArcticPenguin | Debian is cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches |
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| 11:54.42 | ArcticPenguin | i said |
| 11:54.42 | ArcticPenguin | Debian is cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches |
| 11:54.50 | g00se | Please remind me of the command to reveal current bash function defs |
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| 11:55.37 | g00se | Troll gone then |
| 11:56.01 | jelly | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 11:56.02 | judd | jelly: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.17-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.7-1 squeeze: 3.0.7-1 |
| 11:56.12 | jelly | wheresmy3.0.8!!!1!11 |
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| 11:58.50 | LightKnight | is there IW 3.0.8 around? |
| 11:59.24 | LightKnight | Partial correction: the problem lies not within the speaker, but within the (u)xterm/bash audio bell. |
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| 12:01.41 | izua | hey. |
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| 12:02.00 | izua | i have installed debian on a 400MHz/128MB box |
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| 12:02.28 | izua | out of the 1.6GB hdd, it still has 700M free |
| 12:02.45 | izua | any chances i can install X and a light window manager? |
| 12:02.54 | izua | and still have some space left, of course :) |
| 12:03.34 | nayx | izua: http://www.superant.com/smalllinux/tinyX01.html would be a nice idea in your case |
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| 12:04.51 | maligor | there's xserver-xfbdev in debian |
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| 12:05.15 | maligor | oh wait. is that experimental only |
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| 12:05.42 | maligor | I guess it is |
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| 12:07.16 | maligor | kdrive builds would be pretty small but I dunno if there's debs of it |
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| 12:08.49 | izua | right.. |
| 12:08.59 | izua | ain't a biggie for now |
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| 12:09.24 | izua | next thing - I plan to use this box as a server.. well.. not a big one, but still |
| 12:09.24 | klbate | Hello, I'm reading http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto - it says "Notice that the packages do not have to be in the same directory as the index files, because the index files contain paths to the individual packages". |
| 12:09.41 | mikeyjk | hey guize ;P, does anyone know that link for hosting webcode online/the channel for c programming help |
| 12:09.56 | klbate | Does that mean that it could contain paths to packages outside of the repository as well? So you could set up "virtual" repositories with references to packages on other servers? |
| 12:09.58 | izua | how can i login into this box from my main box? |
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| 12:10.31 | izua | i installed ssh on it.. and if i do "ssh localhost" it asks me for my password and the session continues |
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| 12:10.50 | izua | could that be done outside the box? like sshing into it from my network? |
| 12:10.51 | klbate | Because that is what I want to do - I have the packages uploaded to the Savannah download server and I want to set up a Debian repository on the website, referencing those packages. |
| 12:10.54 | izua | or would i need some other stuff installed? |
| 12:10.58 | nayx | izua: ssh user@hostname |
| 12:11.01 | klbate | Or could that be done using HTTP-redirects instead? |
| 12:11.33 | izua | right |
| 12:11.46 | izua | how can I keep or restore my interactive programs using ssh? |
| 12:11.57 | nayx | izua: if you dont have dns setup, either add your hosts to /etc/hosts or ssh user@ip |
| 12:11.57 | AcTiVaTe | izua: screen |
| 12:12.00 | izua | say, for example, i'll launch irssi via ssh on this other box |
| 12:12.11 | izua | screen? i'm sorry, i'm new to Debian |
| 12:12.13 | nayx | izua: open irssi in a "screen" package is called screen |
| 12:12.14 | izua | let me check that |
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| 12:12.24 | AcTiVaTe | screen is awesome |
| 12:12.25 | izua | does it work without X? |
| 12:12.29 | nayx | yes sure |
| 12:12.35 | izua | good :) |
| 12:12.48 | klbate_ | Sorry, I got disconnected. Did anyone reply? |
| 12:12.50 | mikeyjk | whats the c programming channel :S |
| 12:12.50 | maligor | or dtach |
| 12:12.50 | LightKnight | Found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520405 -- let's see... |
| 12:12.58 | mikeyjk | I need that online code paste thingy |
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| 12:13.06 | klbate_ | mikeyjk: ##C? |
| 12:13.11 | mikeyjk | ;D |
| 12:13.12 | mikeyjk | <3 |
| 12:13.13 | izua | pastebin |
| 12:13.17 | LightKnight | dpkg: paste? |
| 12:13.18 | mikeyjk | ahh |
| 12:13.18 | maligor | dtach is sort of a minimal version of screen that only does the feature you want |
| 12:13.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 12:13.20 | mikeyjk | double <3<3 |
| 12:13.26 | mikeyjk | cheers man |
| 12:13.33 | izua | so.. dtach or screen? |
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| 12:14.29 | klbate_ | Does anyone have any ideas about my "virtual repository" question? |
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| 12:19.42 | maligor | izua, 1.6GB for a base install sounds a bit large tho |
| 12:19.48 | odinsbane | I'm thinking about switching to debian from ubuntu, is there a server version of debian? |
| 12:20.02 | izua | no 1.6GB is my disk size :) |
| 12:20.02 | maligor | odinsbane, yes, debian |
| 12:20.16 | maligor | izua, oh, heh |
| 12:20.22 | XB23 | debian is a server distro |
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| 12:20.28 | XB23 | if you want gui you need gnome |
| 12:20.31 | izua | 437 is used now.. i added some other stuff.. lynx, irssi, ssh, i'm playing with scren right now |
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| 12:20.50 | maligor | izua, I guess you know about aptitude clean also? |
| 12:20.57 | izua | just did it ;) |
| 12:21.15 | izua | aptitude is quite slow on a 400MHz cpu |
| 12:21.20 | izua | while browsing the whole package list.. |
| 12:21.30 | odinsbane | how about updating packages, if I compile a more recent version that the repositories is there a way to configure that. |
| 12:21.33 | maligor | it's blazing fast on my 500mhz arm9 |
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| 12:21.41 | tarzeau | is someone good with flower recognition? |
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| 12:22.10 | AcTiVaTe | can recognize marijuana a mile away :P |
| 12:22.13 | maligor | the 500mhz arm 9 has a bit more diskspace than 1.6GB tho :P |
| 12:22.26 | izua | heh |
| 12:22.30 | izua | ARMs kick ass |
| 12:22.48 | izua | as soon as I'm done with the current mcus i'm working with (8 bit AVRs) |
| 12:22.55 | izua | i'm gonna do myself a favour and learn ARM stuff |
| 12:23.04 | maligor | oh, this is just a Marvell Orion NAS |
| 12:24.00 | Zyferus | aptitude is quick on my 300MHZ PII |
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| 12:24.21 | maligor | probably depends on what sources you use, sid might be a bit slow due to the list sizes |
| 12:24.25 | tal | Hi people |
| 12:24.29 | tal | Hi people!! |
| 12:24.33 | izua | it's not slow as incredibly slow |
| 12:24.44 | izua | but it just halts a bit when i'm scrolling through the packages |
| 12:24.48 | izua | tal: 111!!! one eleven |
| 12:24.53 | Zyferus | http://home.zyferus.com/sysinfo |
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| 12:25.17 | fiendishfish | Hi, Iam a bit confused is there currently a testing distro? or not until the new one is out/ |
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| 12:25.57 | maligor | fiendishfish, what new one? |
| 12:26.02 | fiendishfish | Is there no testing distro until squeeze is out? |
| 12:26.12 | maligor | squeeze is testing |
| 12:26.24 | fiendishfish | Has it been released? |
| 12:26.28 | maligor | no |
| 12:26.31 | maligor | stable is 'released' |
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| 12:26.39 | fiendishfish | Oh, but I can still use squeeze. |
| 12:26.43 | maligor | squeeze is testing until it's released and marked as 'stable' |
| 12:27.02 | fiendishfish | So, is it easy to convert to testing from oldstable |
| 12:27.37 | ac3 | How can i rescan the scsi bus so linux sees added disks? I want to add disks (vmware) to linux online, just like in windows |
| 12:27.59 | milligan_ | I'd like to let users stream their webcam through my website.. anyone know of a component/server I could use for this purpose? Preferably something I could integrate into either jsp or php. |
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| 12:28.28 | Tchaka | if I upgrade Lenny to Squeeze but then if I have an unstable system. Is it possible to downgrade easily? |
| 12:28.47 | fiendishfish | Do I have to upgrade to stable before I can upgrade to testing? |
| 12:29.28 | jelly | Tchaka: no, in general it's not possible |
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| 12:30.04 | ShredZ_ | Any command-line program to send mail through an smtp server ? I'm using exim4 but it sends as <user>@<hostname> and the recipients want to have it @<their domain>.de (the sending server is in their network). |
| 12:30.05 | fiendishfish | msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 12:30.10 | Tchaka | jelly, shit so I have to reinstall my lenny completly :/ |
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| 12:31.02 | jelly | Tchaka: yes, or restore from backups. |
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| 12:35.44 | JediMaster- | hey guys, is it possible to have both a dhcp AND static ip on the same physical ethernet device (e.g. eth0 dhcp and eth0:1 as static) and on different subnets? |
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| 12:36.39 | Floops | JediMaster-, i know u can have eth0 and eth0:1 |
| 12:36.56 | Floops | not sure if u can make them different(static / dhcp) |
| 12:37.16 | nkuttler | well you can certainly give them different ips. dhcp, never tried, don't see why not |
| 12:37.28 | JediMaster- | I have two routers on the same physical cable, yes I know, it's a silly setup |
| 12:37.47 | JediMaster- | I've turned off dhcp on one and on on the other |
| 12:37.52 | fiendishfish | I was using Lenny when it was testing, but now when I cat /proc/version it still says 4.1*** |
| 12:37.59 | fiendishfish | and that is etch afaik |
| 12:38.55 | JediMaster- | and one assigns the external IP by dhcp to the machine that connects, the other has to be done manually on an internal subnet, if I set eth0 as dhcp it works fine, eth0:1 however doesn't work as static and I can't ping the router |
| 12:39.15 | JediMaster- | if I do it the other way around, the eth0 as static internal ip, I can ping it, but eth0:1 won't start as dhcp |
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| 12:41.14 | nkuttler | JediMaster-: won't start? no lease or what? |
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| 12:42.04 | fiendishfish | (Debian 2.6.26-13) |
| 12:42.11 | fiendishfish | How can I be using version 2.6? |
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| 12:42.16 | fiendishfish | Oh, that's not the distro version? |
| 12:42.22 | JediMaster- | nkuttler: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
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| 12:42.53 | JediMaster- | nkuttler: Bind socket to interface: No such device ....Failed to bring up eth3:1 |
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| 12:43.55 | nkuttler | JediMaster-: are you running the dhcpd? |
| 12:44.09 | JediMaster- | nkuttler: on the router yes |
| 12:44.14 | JediMaster- | if I swap them around it works |
| 12:44.18 | nkuttler | JediMaster-: um, so just give yourself a static ip? |
| 12:44.32 | JediMaster- | nkuttler: can't |
| 12:44.41 | JediMaster- | nkuttler: it assigns the external IP of the router |
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| 12:44.58 | sarmisak | JediMaster-: on virtual interfaces I don't think that you can assign one IP by DHCP and another one static |
| 12:44.59 | JediMaster- | I don't want to have to delve into the config every time the router changes it's ip |
| 12:45.30 | JediMaster- | sarmisak: really? that's something I'd expect to hear from windows, no linux lol |
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| 12:49.31 | debian_noob | Hi |
| 12:49.47 | debian_noob | I am having a strange problem with my debian box |
| 12:49.50 | debian_noob | i cant boot |
| 12:50.10 | debian_noob | after grub loads there is some error |
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| 12:50.45 | sarmisak | debian_noob: ok, what's the error? |
| 12:51.03 | debian_noob | some DRDY error |
| 12:51.28 | izua | have you added a new hdd? |
| 12:51.33 | debian_noob | no |
| 12:51.48 | debian_noob | I/O error on /dev/sda8 |
| 12:51.51 | izua | i got the same thing last night |
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| 12:52.07 | izua | i added an IDE hdd to recover some data off it, turns out it changed the whole order of my drives |
| 12:52.22 | debian_noob | now i can only see a prompt with initramfs written |
| 12:53.01 | rvsjoen | izua: unless you actually moved something to make room for the new drive, the ordering wouldn't change, at least not if this is ide |
| 12:53.09 | debian_noob | i cant even use sh |
| 12:53.28 | debian_noob | it says cant access tty job control turned off |
| 12:53.55 | debian_noob | i didnt change any of my hardware |
| 12:54.02 | sarmisak | probably your drive is gone for good. have you tried booting with a live cd and checked your drive? |
| 12:54.07 | debian_noob | last i ran aptitude build-dep |
| 12:54.24 | debian_noob | sarmisak:windows works |
| 12:54.28 | izua | rvsjoen: well, i didn't move anything.. |
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| 12:55.20 | izua | but i assume my bios messed things up - when adding the IDE hdd, the sata ones moved one letter ahead |
| 12:55.39 | izua | oh yeah.. the IDE one apparead as /dev/sda, instead of hda.. |
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| 12:57.11 | debian_noob | theres no problem with my hardware |
| 12:57.27 | abrotman | debian_noob: check your syslog for errors |
| 12:57.39 | debian_noob | how? |
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| 12:57.58 | abrotman | you can't cat /var/log/syslog ? |
| 12:58.04 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind .. |
| 12:58.05 | debian_noob | let me see |
| 12:58.15 | abrotman | it sounds to me like the drive is toast |
| 12:58.16 | Robbie__ | or do dmesg |
| 12:59.09 | debian_noob | abrotman:windows works fine |
| 12:59.24 | abrotman | yes, windows cares about your data ... |
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| 13:00.22 | debian_noob | i cant even access the drive |
| 13:00.28 | debian_noob | I/O error |
| 13:00.32 | Crazy_Hopper | abrotman: that phrase sounds like a farce.. ;-) |
| 13:00.42 | Witch-King | does anyone know how i can make mouse movement smoother in VMWare with a debian guest..? |
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| 13:01.20 | Crazy_Hopper | Witch-King: make sure vmware tools are installed and running |
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| 13:01.50 | Witch-King | Crazy_Hopper, it is, i just installed it, however it had to compile the modules and it couldn't compile 'vsock'. |
| 13:02.14 | Witch-King | mouse transfer from host to guest works, but mouse movement is quite latent |
| 13:02.14 | debian_noob | theres a line which says target filesystem /sbin/init |
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| 13:02.51 | Crazy_Hopper | is that in guest X windows? |
| 13:03.26 | abrotman | Crazy_Hopper: it was a joke |
| 13:04.32 | ranix | !xwindows |
| 13:04.32 | dpkg | X Windows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, the X Window System, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
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| 13:04.59 | ranix | I should have read that whole question |
| 13:05.04 | ranix | before !xwindowsing |
| 13:05.24 | ranix | did not occur to me that you were talking about multiple X windows |
| 13:05.44 | Crazy_Hopper | actually you got it right... |
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| 13:07.20 | Witch-King | Crazy_Hopper, any idea about the mouse movement in my debian guest? :( it's lenny, amd64. |
| 13:07.36 | Crazy_Hopper | is that in guest X11 or in console? |
| 13:07.58 | Witch-King | X11. how would i have a mouse otherwise :\ |
| 13:08.06 | Crazy_Hopper | gpm? |
| 13:08.19 | Crazy_Hopper | never mind |
| 13:08.29 | Witch-King | lol, well i am not using gpm |
| 13:08.48 | Crazy_Hopper | as far as i remember, vmware provides a mouse driver for X too. |
| 13:08.58 | Crazy_Hopper | check to be sure |
| 13:09.13 | Witch-King | it does. works fine with a windows guest >.> |
| 13:09.39 | Crazy_Hopper | we aren't talking about ms windows, are we? |
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| 13:10.45 | Crazy_Hopper | xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse is the package name |
| 13:11.00 | Crazy_Hopper | make sure it is installed in the guest and used for your X |
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| 13:13.43 | debian_noob_ | do i have to format and reinstall? |
| 13:14.48 | debian_noob_ | ? |
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| 13:16.25 | debian_noob_ | even when i try to mount the root drive , i get the drdy error |
| 13:17.00 | Crazy_Hopper | drdy==dirty? |
| 13:17.12 | debian_noob_ | no |
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| 13:17.19 | debian_noob_ | DRDY ERR |
| 13:17.27 | mizan | hi |
| 13:17.40 | debian_noob_ | !greet mizan |
| 13:17.41 | dpkg | Hello, mizan |
| 13:17.41 | Crazy_Hopper | haven't seen anything like that error before.... |
| 13:17.48 | debian_noob_ | I/O error |
| 13:18.01 | Crazy_Hopper | drive ready? |
| 13:18.01 | kladizkov | i got a strange issue...my iceweasel doesn't display images properly :( |
| 13:18.04 | mizan | were r u |
| 13:18.27 | amphi | debian_noob_: on modern drives, I/O errors are a pretty bad sign - you should perhaps run smartctl on the drive |
| 13:18.31 | Witch-King | Crazy_Hopper, how can i tell if the VM is using that driver for the mouse? |
| 13:18.42 | mizan | dpkg were r u |
| 13:18.42 | dpkg | mizan: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 13:19.05 | Crazy_Hopper | Witch-King: read the X log |
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| 13:19.23 | debian_noob_ | amphi:i cant even boot |
| 13:19.24 | Crazy_Hopper | /var/log/Xorg.{DISPLAY}.log |
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| 13:19.53 | debian_noob_ | amphi:the root drive has this problem |
| 13:19.55 | amphi | debian_noob_: boot of a cd and run the smartctl long test, I would |
| 13:20.02 | amphi | *boot off |
| 13:20.22 | amphi | debian_noob_: the sysresccd.org is quite good for such things |
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| 13:20.49 | debian_noob_ | ok |
| 13:20.52 | amphi | debian_noob_: the drive may have run out of realloc blocks, in which case it's pretty much dead |
| 13:21.11 | debian_noob_ | amphi:the drive or the partition? |
| 13:21.24 | amphi | the machine |
| 13:21.29 | debian_noob_ | no |
| 13:21.35 | debian_noob_ | windows works fine |
| 13:21.45 | Crazy_Hopper | Witch-King: man vmmouse after installing xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse |
| 13:21.49 | amphi | that doesn't mean anything |
| 13:21.51 | Witch-King | Crazy_Hopper, in the conf it has the vmware driver configured for the mouse, so it appears to be working. maybe it is still slow because i am remote desktop'd to the host. :( |
| 13:21.57 | debian_noob_ | amphi:why? |
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| 13:22.19 | amphi | debian_noob_: it may not be the problem I suspect - run the smartctl test would make it clear |
| 13:22.25 | kladizkov | i got a strange issue...my iceweasel doesn't display images properly :( |
| 13:23.07 | Crazy_Hopper | Witch-King: you shouldn't see the difference between the host and the guest. no matter how you see the host itself |
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| 13:24.18 | debian_noob_ | kladizkov:goto #firefox |
| 13:24.19 | caraconan | Hi. I don't find the package (at least compiling is --enable-pcntl) to bring pcntl_fork() php5 function. Some idea? |
| 13:25.23 | debian_noob_ | amphi:any livecd will have smartctl? |
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| 13:25.59 | amphi | debian_noob_: no idea - the sysresccd.org iso does, to my knowledge |
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| 13:26.26 | debian_noob_ | oh |
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| 13:28.01 | debian_noob_ | amphi:what does iy do? |
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| 13:28.34 | amphi | runs the long self diagnostic test |
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| 13:29.19 | DrJaph | A esli ja po-russki zagovoru? |
| 13:29.22 | Crazy_Hopper | amphi: don't forget to perform the routine liver check ;-) |
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| 13:29.38 | Nibbler | hey guys iam installing debian off the removeable stick and i got the problem does it wants the cd-rom , i say than load none and it asks me for the path.. now i dont have fdisk -l on the boot netinst cd . is there a way how i can find out where the debian installation is / |
| 13:29.43 | Crazy_Hopper | DrJaph: malo komu ponravitsya |
| 13:29.48 | jelly | !ru |
| 13:29.49 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 13:31.12 | debian_noob_ | amphi:will it be able to repair the disk or recover the data? |
| 13:31.28 | DrJaph | sorry |
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| 13:32.33 | amphi | debian_noob_: that's not what it does - it runs the disk's onboard diagnostics |
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| 13:32.57 | debian_noob_ | amphi:so theres no way i can repair it? |
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| 13:33.41 | ma3x | is there a way to dpkg -l all packages in one line separated by interval? |
| 13:33.59 | Witch-King | Crazy_Hopper, hmm. there is a noticeable difference, still. unfortunately i didn't gather much from man vmmouse |
| 13:34.36 | Crazy_Hopper | Witch-King: did you verify that exactly vmmouse driver is used by X? |
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| 13:34.51 | amphi | debian_noob_: I have no idea |
| 13:34.51 | ranix | ma3x: quick answer; yes |
| 13:34.59 | ma3x | ranix: how |
| 13:35.01 | ranix | ma3x: I would do it with awk |
| 13:35.09 | ranix | ma3x: but I'd have to check syntax |
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| 13:35.25 | ranix | ma3x: others might do it with grep/sed or something |
| 13:35.53 | Nibbler | has nobody an idea here how to solve this /? |
| 13:36.15 | Witch-King | Crazy_Hopper, in the log it says "(==) |-->Input Device "<default pointer>" ", but in the conf the identifier is something else. |
| 13:36.21 | Witch-King | so maybe it is not being loaded? |
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| 13:37.11 | debian_noob_ | amphi:i dont have the sysresccd iso so can i run the fsck command now? |
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| 13:37.27 | m33 | %) |
| 13:37.40 | Crazy_Hopper | Witch-King: grep -i vmmouse /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
| 13:37.47 | ranix | the Debian website needs more specific instructions for new users on how to install from a USB device, specifically about which install image to use. Too many people in the past few weeks have come here asking "installing debian off the removeable stick and i got the problem does it wants the cd-rom" and similar |
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| 13:38.18 | Witch-King | Crazy_Hopper, nil. :\ |
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| 13:38.46 | Crazy_Hopper | Witch-King: restart X and grep again |
| 13:38.47 | Nibbler | ranix: so do you have a guide so i dont have to make you nervous ? |
| 13:39.09 | Witch-King | Crazy_Hopper, do i need to use some part of vmware tools to configure it? and, i have already restarted X since i installed the driver. |
| 13:39.21 | ranix | Nibbler: not your fault. Try giving it the path /dev/sd[a-z][0-9] |
| 13:39.38 | ranix | where those two ranges correspond to the device of your usb drive |
| 13:39.52 | jafn | hi all I have a corn job |
| 13:40.06 | Nibbler | i saw does i got available /dev/sda 1,2,5 and /dev/sdb ,1 |
| 13:40.09 | Crazy_Hopper | Witch-King: i guess installing the driver, modifying the xorg.conf, and restarting X should suffice... |
| 13:40.11 | jafn | that is /usr/bin/mplayer -nosound video.mpeg |
| 13:40.15 | ranix | Nibbler: depending on at which point in the install you are, you may be able to tell it "none" and continue with just apt |
| 13:40.23 | ranix | Nibbler: getting packages from the internet |
| 13:40.33 | ranix | Nibbler: do you know which install step you are at? |
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| 13:40.38 | jafn | when the crontab issue the command it shows the video but when the video ends my machine shutdown |
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| 13:40.42 | Tellob | hi |
| 13:40.43 | jafn | any thoughts? |
| 13:40.44 | Tellob | i need help |
| 13:40.49 | ranix | !ask |
| 13:40.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:40.52 | Tellob | how can i know the usernames added |
| 13:40.53 | Tellob | in my box |
| 13:41.19 | Tellob | i added some idents from my box with adduser cmd |
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| 13:41.24 | Tellob | now i wanna know all the names that i've added |
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| 13:41.39 | ranix | Tellob: sudo cat /etc/shadow |
| 13:41.48 | ranix | quick and dirty |
| 13:41.57 | Nibbler | ranix: iam at step 3 , detecting the cd rom drive, i already tried to initialize the network but that wants the cd too ! |
| 13:42.02 | Witch-King | Crazy_Hopper, i restarted X and re-grep'd. still nothing.\ |
| 13:42.26 | ranix | nibbler: try telling it /dev/sdb1 |
| 13:42.27 | Tellob | it says command not found |
| 13:42.33 | ranix | Tellob: apt-get install sudo |
| 13:42.33 | Nibbler | k |
| 13:42.39 | ranix | Tellob: or do it as the superuser |
| 13:42.42 | Crazy_Hopper | Witch-King: weird... |
| 13:42.47 | Tellob | ranix i am root |
| 13:42.53 | ranix | Tellob: then cat /etc/shadow |
| 13:43.10 | Crazy_Hopper | Witch-King: could you paste the X log somewhere? |
| 13:44.04 | Crazy_Hopper | Witch-King: and current xorg.conf too |
| 13:44.41 | stew | Tellob: "getent password" would lis all the accounts on the box. the newly added ones would be towards the bottom |
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| 13:45.10 | Witch-King | Crazy_Hopper, sure. just a moment. |
| 13:45.39 | Nibbler | ranix: i tried that it doesnt seem to work, additional i went into the shell and made an ls on all the dev/devices which are there and it doesnt list anything within them. |
| 13:45.46 | ranix | stew: getend passwd |
| 13:45.47 | hark | *passwd |
| 13:45.48 | ranix | ehr |
| 13:45.49 | ranix | ent |
| 13:46.04 | stew | err, yeah, Tellob that should be "getent passwd" |
| 13:47.04 | Witch-King | Crazy_Hopper, log - http://paste.debian.net/31932/ |
| 13:47.05 | ranix | Nibbler: can you check "ls /dev/ | grep sd" |
| 13:47.29 | Tellob | gret thanks |
| 13:47.31 | Tellob | ranix u rok |
| 13:47.32 | Tellob | rock |
| 13:47.41 | Nibbler | sda ,sda1 ,sda2,sda5 , sdb,sdb1 |
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| 13:47.59 | MoL0ToV^ | ragazzi, spesso quando salvo file da ntfs a ext3 alcuni file, per esempio gli accentati, me li perdo, perchè contengono caratteri tipo èàòù ecc... |
| 13:48.00 | ranix | it would be very strange for your usb device to be sda |
| 13:48.08 | MoL0ToV^ | come si fa a evitare? |
| 13:48.11 | Witch-King | Crazy_Hopper, conf - http://paste.debian.net/31933/ |
| 13:48.11 | ranix | Nibbler: try giving it /dev/sdb rather than sdb1? |
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| 13:48.15 | xyzzymaz1 | greetings to all .. |
| 13:48.19 | Nibbler | k |
| 13:48.23 | ranix | Nibbler: if that doesn't work I will have to defer you to a more knowledgeable person |
| 13:48.40 | Nibbler | didnt work , but thanks for your efforts ! |
| 13:48.40 | ranix | Nibbler: you may have put the wrong image on your usb drive |
| 13:48.44 | stew | !it |
| 13:48.46 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:48.46 | ranix | :( |
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| 13:49.44 | xyzzymaz1 | Trying to create new part, using parted .. always get "Error: Can't have overlappting partitions" Is this broken? I usually use cfdisk, but trying parted |
| 13:49.44 | hark | Nibbler: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 13:49.59 | osfd | Hi, how am i supposed to access compiz configuration "panel" in a debian lenny with kde ( I install the kconfig backend)...please |
| 13:50.18 | amphi | osfd: ccsm I guess |
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| 13:51.13 | osfd | amphi: yeah...just got it...! |
| 13:51.46 | osfd | amphi: the rendering result is not that great... :'( |
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| 13:52.52 | Crazy_Hopper | Witch-King: it seems to me that you are missing the ServerLayout section which would specify the particular mouse inputdevice section. |
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| 13:54.47 | Witch-King | Crazy_Hopper, even before i installed the VMWare driver, it did not have that section. is it necessary? and how where can i find info on configuring that section to work with the driver |
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| 13:55.09 | Crazy_Hopper | Witch-King: sec |
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| 13:57.20 | Crazy_Hopper | Witch-King: add Option "CorePointer" into mouse section and restart X |
| 13:57.32 | Witch-King | Okay. |
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| 13:58.33 | amphi | osfd: dunno - I haven't played with compiz for some time |
| 13:59.03 | osfd | amphi: me neither -- but I wanted a fancy desktop... |
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| 13:59.44 | amphi | osfd: xmonad is much fancier IMHO, albeit more discreetly ;) |
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| 14:00.56 | Witch-King | Crazy_Hopper, "(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//vmmouse_drv.so " ! |
| 14:01.06 | Witch-King | we have success :) mouse is much quicker and smoother |
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| 14:01.23 | careta | can someone tell me the diff between /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog ? |
| 14:02.08 | stew | careta: /etc/syslog.conf can |
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| 14:02.26 | Crazy_Hopper | careta: or /etc/rsyslog.conf... |
| 14:03.39 | careta | just asking because for example, opensuse doesn't make this distinction |
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| 14:04.45 | careta | syslog doesn't exist |
| 14:04.51 | careta | everything is logged to messages |
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| 14:05.32 | Crazy_Hopper | you can configure it per your taste |
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| 14:05.47 | careta | thanks. i'll read the man page |
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| 14:06.30 | careta | when i connect to a new wireless network, i get the following message: dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.host_name |
| 14:06.47 | careta | supposedly its because of network manager |
| 14:06.54 | careta | something is not configured right |
| 14:06.58 | Crazy_Hopper | definitely |
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| 14:07.29 | careta | i think this is equivalent to a message i got in opensuse when i joined a new network. it was network manager mumbo jumbo |
| 14:08.32 | Crazy_Hopper | i never got the thing of using any managers for iface configs.... it all could be scripted |
| 14:09.55 | petemc | you cant see the advantage in having a list of wireless networks that you can click to choose which one to connect to? |
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| 14:10.52 | Crazy_Hopper | nah, forget it, i don't want the flame to start. |
| 14:11.13 | jpowermacg4 | is away: sleep |
| 14:12.47 | Nibbler | is there a way to tell my cd-rom detection setup manually how to mount it . i mounted my pen drive on /cdrom but it doesnt like this solution somehoiw |
| 14:13.59 | module000 | Nibbler: /etc/fstab |
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| 14:14.28 | Nibbler | module000: this will not work if i'am currently in the installer ? |
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| 14:15.05 | careta | Crazy_Hopper, for noobs the GUI is much better |
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| 14:16.16 | petemc | or anyone who appreciates the convenience |
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| 14:18.25 | doppelganger | hi, xorg.conf is set to load the "nvidia" module, but the file created by X -configure loads the "nv" module. why? |
| 14:18.26 | jetscreamer | just shell out and mount it somewhere... /mnt works |
| 14:19.00 | jetscreamer | because is unaware of nvidia |
| 14:19.10 | jetscreamer | because xorg |
| 14:19.52 | doppelganger | so, when i run x normally (via gdm), which is the driver being loaded? nvidia or nv? |
| 14:19.55 | jetscreamer | mount -t auto /dev/whatever /mnt |
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| 14:20.31 | jetscreamer | less /var/log/xorg.0.log to find out |
| 14:20.39 | jetscreamer | you could grep it too |
| 14:20.48 | jetscreamer | nvidia probably btw |
| 14:20.49 | bullgard4 | Synaptic: "libsage2 -- Supports OpenGL in SDL applications; This is an OpenGL extension library written to make use of SDL's mechanism for enabling OpenGL's extensions.This package contains the runtime files needed to use applications depending on SAGE." There are > 30 acronyms 'SAGE'. What does the acronym 'SAGE' stand for here? |
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| 14:21.22 | riot | uh, i have 3 unstable intel 686-boxes here, whats the best way to mirror the repository so i don't have to suck every update 3 times? |
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| 14:21.29 | jetscreamer | !sage |
| 14:21.58 | jetscreamer | riot one way is just to cp /var/cache/apt/archives/* from the one box you already updated |
| 14:22.17 | jetscreamer | !mirror |
| 14:22.17 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 14:22.21 | jetscreamer | duh |
| 14:22.25 | jetscreamer | !repository |
| 14:22.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html Ask me about <list repositories>. |
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| 14:23.02 | riot | jetscreamer: hmm, problem is,they all slightly differ in their package selection :/ so i'd probably need most of the mirror, but e.g. only 686 arch etc. |
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| 14:23.22 | jetscreamer | you culd make a repo |
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| 14:24.00 | riot | and there are dozens of repo-cloning utils, but which is the best suited for my demands.. |
| 14:24.10 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 14:24.26 | Nibbler | if i simply mount my usb pen drive somewhere and tell the debian installer does the disc is there it gives me an error .. does its wrong because in the background it tried to mount it as a cdrom drive @the path which i give |
| 14:25.03 | riot | jetscreamer: hmm, i think i just found some good documentation |
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| 14:25.11 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 14:25.47 | jetscreamer | i have to find a phoneboot now, so i can turn back into meek mild-mannered jetpda :/ |
| 14:25.53 | jetscreamer | phonebooth |
| 14:26.55 | Crazy_Hopper | riot: or to use an apt proxy |
| 14:27.07 | doppelganger | x is showing me the nvidia logo, but i suspect it is loading the vga module. is it possible? |
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| 14:27.17 | h1d | hi. is it possible to have web application such as phpbb to be installed for multiple instances, that is, with separate database and cache folders from a single package? |
| 14:27.30 | jetscreamer | doppelganger: glxinfo |grep -i vendor |
| 14:27.49 | jetscreamer | yes you have to reinstall the nvidia every xorg or kernel upgrade |
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| 14:28.47 | Crazy_Hopper | jetscreamer: if nvidia is installed from the package, you don't have to worry about X upgrade, the files are diverted |
| 14:29.01 | jetscreamer | doppelganger: glxinfo |grep -i vendor should return all three or so saying nvidia |
| 14:29.10 | jetscreamer | ah i forgot about that |
| 14:29.20 | doppelganger | jetscreamer: i can't run that now |
| 14:29.26 | doppelganger | i'm accessing the machine via ssh |
| 14:29.36 | jetscreamer | grep the log |
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| 14:30.05 | jetscreamer | grep or less /var/log/xorg.0.log |
| 14:30.08 | doppelganger | jetscreamer: grep it for what? |
| 14:30.32 | jetscreamer | module would return a lot, but i think that will |
| 14:30.35 | jetscreamer | or just read it |
| 14:30.37 | jetscreamer | less |
| 14:30.38 | ogy | hi i would like to disable /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as they are a part of a raid arrey, how can i make the system ignore them. |
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| 14:30.55 | wonderland | what u think about that idea ??? http://forum.kde.org/back-side-of-apps-in-jack-style-t-39396.html |
| 14:31.19 | wonderland | if someone like ... we can discuss i'm would like to develop it |
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| 14:33.53 | doppelganger | jetscreamer: (II) Setting vga for screen 0. does this mean that it is using the vga module? |
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| 14:35.02 | Crazy_Hopper | doppelganger: no |
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| 14:35.35 | Crazy_Hopper | doppelganger: grep -c nvidia /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:35.59 | doppelganger | Crazy_Hopper: the output is 3 |
| 14:36.01 | riot | apt-proxy works :) |
| 14:36.03 | Crazy_Hopper | doppelganger: even grep -ic nvidia /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:36.08 | riot | Crazy_Hopper: thanks :) |
| 14:36.11 | Crazy_Hopper | np |
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| 14:36.27 | doppelganger | Crazy_Hopper: 43 |
| 14:36.48 | Crazy_Hopper | heh, you've got three less of me :-) |
| 14:37.15 | doppelganger | it seems that it is loading it. i just want to solve the problem of slow scrolling in the browsers. |
| 14:37.32 | Crazy_Hopper | jesus... |
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| 14:37.57 | Crazy_Hopper | try disabling smooth scrolling first |
| 14:38.06 | doppelganger | whats that |
| 14:38.14 | doppelganger | ah |
| 14:38.43 | doppelganger | the problem is that it isn't smooth |
| 14:39.19 | Crazy_Hopper | the problem is that it isn't nvidia driver problem |
| 14:39.32 | doppelganger | lol |
| 14:39.39 | doppelganger | what's the problem again? |
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| 14:40.12 | doppelganger | surfing the web is not a pleasant experience in linux |
| 14:40.17 | |unjustice| | I just installed a new hard drive, how do I check that it is working via terminal? |
| 14:40.30 | Crazy_Hopper | you made two people thinking about how to verify X video driver setup |
| 14:40.31 | doppelganger | |unjustice|: fdisk -l |
| 14:40.32 | Witch-King | |unjustice|, fdisk -l |
| 14:40.37 | ranix | doppelganger: I don't have a problem with it |
| 14:40.38 | |unjustice| | ty |
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| 14:41.10 | doppelganger | Crazy_Hopper: someone told me it might be the driver. and it made sense. |
| 14:41.18 | doppelganger | i don't what else it can be |
| 14:41.22 | doppelganger | *don't know |
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| 14:42.35 | Crazy_Hopper | is every scrolling in every program slow or just in some of them? |
| 14:42.38 | ranix | doppelganger: to answer your earlier question, it is probably not possible to be not using nvidia drivers yet still seeing the nvidia logo when X starts |
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| 14:42.50 | doppelganger | thanks ranix |
| 14:42.55 | ranix | doppelganger: are you able to watch FMV? |
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| 14:43.05 | ranix | doppelganger: mplayer, vlc, etc? |
| 14:43.16 | ranix | doppelganger: how about moving windows around the screen? |
| 14:43.24 | doppelganger | Crazy_Hopper: the scroll is slow on browsers, especially when rendering flash |
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| 14:43.32 | doppelganger | ranix: yes, videos work. |
| 14:43.43 | ranix | doppelganger: what kind of CPU are you rocking |
| 14:43.50 | doppelganger | it's a dual core |
| 14:43.58 | ranix | try harder |
| 14:43.58 | doppelganger | intel whatever |
| 14:44.02 | doppelganger | wait |
| 14:44.07 | Crazy_Hopper | is off for a nap |
| 14:44.08 | |unjustice| | does fdisk -l work if the disk has not been formatted yet? I am just trying to see if the comp recognizes it |
| 14:44.22 | Crazy_Hopper | |unjustice|: it should |
| 14:44.25 | |unjustice| | huh |
| 14:44.26 | Wesley_ | how do you set the speed of your network card to a fixed value of 100? |
| 14:44.29 | |unjustice| | not so much |
| 14:44.29 | ranix | doppelganger: cat /proc/cpuinfo and see if something is wrong |
| 14:44.31 | doppelganger | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5450 @ 1.66GHz |
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| 14:45.01 | ranix | doppelganger: what browser do you use |
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| 14:45.22 | doppelganger | ranix: i tried some. opera, firefox, galeon |
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| 14:45.41 | ranix | doppelganger: try firefox again, go to edit->preferences->advanced->general turn off smooth scrolling |
| 14:45.47 | ranix | doppelganger: and let me know if that helps |
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| 14:46.21 | doppelganger | can't try it. i'm at work. |
| 14:46.27 | ranix | doppelganger: also I would block flash with an extension; many many flash advertisements are poorly coded |
| 14:46.39 | ranix | and they are CPU monster hogs |
| 14:46.41 | doppelganger | i can't watch more than one video at a time in youtube |
| 14:46.49 | castingcrowns | Hi, I asked a question yesturday about "dd" cloning a harddrive, but this way took forever. Is there a way i can just grab the hidden stuff you cant see in normally, and then just 'cp" everyting else? |
| 14:47.02 | ranix | doppelganger: what video card do you have again? |
| 14:47.06 | |unjustice| | der...I forgot sudo, looks like the hd is here |
| 14:47.09 | |unjustice| | thanks again bbl |
| 14:47.12 | doppelganger | geforce 8400 gt |
| 14:47.17 | doppelganger | ranix |
| 14:47.37 | ranix | your video card might just have incredibly shitty drivers |
| 14:47.44 | Crazy_Hopper | castingcrowns: you'd better don't do that ;-) |
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| 14:48.34 | doppelganger | ranix: can't it be the flash plugin? i'm using adobe's |
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| 14:48.51 | castingcrowns | Crazy_Hopper: hey again. So is there a faster way? it took me 6 hiours last night to clone a 160 drive :) |
| 14:48.55 | ranix | doppelganger: maybe. I hate flash and proprietary drivers |
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| 14:49.04 | ranix | doppelganger: cause me headaches |
| 14:49.22 | Crazy_Hopper | castingcrowns: onto usb2 flash? that's ok |
| 14:49.23 | enouf | gives me hives |
| 14:49.38 | ranix | it all works fine down here with an ATI 9600 and a P4 2.4 though |
| 14:49.45 | ranix | flash is a little... unstable |
| 14:49.49 | enouf | castingcrowns: try it with bs=4M |
| 14:49.56 | ranix | no major complaints besides that though |
| 14:50.09 | ranix | I will have daily browser crashes if Pandora radio is open all day |
| 14:50.11 | ranix | guaranteed |
| 14:50.17 | castingcrowns | Crazy_Hopper: yeah I thought so, my only problem is this is a fresh XP install on this drive and so i know its only taking up about 5 gigs maybe on the drive...so why would I need to copy all 160 of free space. |
| 14:50.21 | ranix | so you can rest assured there are problems with Flash |
| 14:50.26 | doppelganger | ranix: thank you. i'll install the Flashblock addon and stop seeing more than one video at a time. |
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| 14:50.40 | ranix | doppelganger: let me know how you make out, I lurk here |
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| 14:51.31 | Crazy_Hopper | castingcrowns: this could be achieved with some sophisticated fs snapshotting software, which dd isn;t |
| 14:52.02 | ranix | castingcrowns: dump/restore should be able to help |
| 14:52.07 | enouf | castingcrowns: if you didn't use bs= last time, it defaluts to 512B, so now - run some tests and compare - do it with/without bs=4M - Both times, open another shell and find the PID of the running dd process, send "kill -SIGUSR1 <PID-of-dd-process>" then jump back to look at results in dd terminal window |
| 14:52.46 | castingcrowns | enouf: I used a bs= param last time. took 6 hours |
| 14:52.56 | enouf | castingcrowns: what value? |
| 14:52.59 | ranix | the "dump" program is a very simple filesystem-aware archival utility |
| 14:53.15 | ranix | I advocate its use for copying and backing-up filesystems |
| 14:53.30 | enouf | bs=512 is the same as no bs= param |
| 14:53.31 | castingcrowns | enouf: 32256 |
| 14:53.48 | enouf | not good -use 4M, and test |
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| 14:54.34 | ranix | enouf: sorry for my ignorance, but where does one pull blocksize from |
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| 14:54.49 | ranix | enouf: is 4m simply the block size of a hard disk? |
| 14:54.50 | enouf | here the difference is from 4M/sec -> 20M/sec cp speed on my old system |
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| 14:55.06 | enouf | ranix: not sure what you mean? |
| 14:55.18 | ranix | enouf: what is the significance of block size other than speed? |
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| 14:55.20 | enouf | ranix: all HDDs use 512byte sectors |
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| 14:55.52 | enouf | ranix: nothing - other than perhaps the way the kernel works with 4K pages and such |
| 14:56.03 | ranix | enouf: ah ok. Thanks |
| 14:56.15 | ranix | it does not change the output file |
| 14:56.23 | enouf | right |
| 14:56.26 | ranix | got it |
| 14:56.27 | enouf | however ... |
| 14:56.43 | ranix | I have only run into bs issues when dding from a hard disk to a tape drive |
| 14:56.48 | ranix | my DLT drive needs bs=10k |
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| 14:56.52 | ranix | unsure why that is |
| 14:57.12 | enouf | if the partition start/end isn't exactly a mutiple of 4M ... well conv= or something might help - or some partitioning/fsck or something |
| 14:57.32 | stuarticus | Got a bit closer to the cause of my outage, I am on a windows network, lots of entries for dhclient DHCPREQUEST. All going to WINS server rather than DHCP server. Then eth0 goes down, anyone dealt with anything similar? |
| 14:57.40 | enouf | yeah, tape drives are odd.. to say the least |
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| 14:59.44 | castingcrowns | enouf: same results. Im doing around 23M/s. I am cloning to a file thougn this time. last night I was cloning to another drive to test of it worked and it was going a 7M/s |
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| 15:00.26 | enouf | how is 23M/sec == 7M/sec ?? |
| 15:00.38 | enouf | s/is/does |
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| 15:00.55 | bullgard4 | Synaptic: "libsage2 -- Supports OpenGL in SDL applications; This is an OpenGL extension library written to make use of SDL's mechanism for enabling OpenGL's extensions.This package contains the runtime files needed to use applications depending on SAGE." There are > 30 acronyms 'SAGE'. What does the acronym 'SAGE' stand for here? |
| 15:01.11 | enouf | or does "same results" mean something other than i think? |
| 15:01.23 | ranix | bullgard4: the opposite of age |
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| 15:01.49 | enouf | ranix: wtf? |
| 15:02.11 | phanter | hi there, is there a separate channel for debian-xen related questions? |
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| 15:02.23 | castingcrowns | enouf: I used a bs=32256 last night while cloning a drive onto another drive...this was going at a rate of 7M/s...this morning I was doing the same thing but transfering the HD to an image file for storgare...this was going at a rate of 23M/s...I then tried your sugested bs=4M, and this aslo was transfering at 23M/s...so it seem clomning from a drive to a drive was making it go very slow. |
| 15:03.02 | enouf | castingcrowns: well .. sure - depending on drives, the busses and interfaces and controllers involved, etc |
| 15:03.09 | anoHito | very strange, i have a eth0:0 ,but now i do ifconfig -a, its gone |
| 15:03.13 | anoHito | it was there though |
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| 15:04.32 | castingcrowns | enouf: So I guess my question is, could i just dd the boot sector and what ever else I may need...then just "cp" the actual files, and then store this, and later if need be, restore these back to the drive? |
| 15:04.33 | enouf | castingcrowns: i know i've tested using a few various bs= params other than 4M .. (always a multiple of 4k though) .. here wait - let me test again - and i am talking about drive<->drive |
| 15:04.42 | clearscreen | XB23: not true |
| 15:04.53 | phanter | I have the famous "clocksource/0: Time went backwards" error. How can I reach my domu by console now? |
| 15:05.16 | enouf | castingcrowns: you can setup the new drive with partitions and mkfs then do whatever you like with cp, tar, rsync, etc |
| 15:06.00 | enouf | castingcrowns: and the drives i'm testing on are all older IDE - udma2 speed tops |
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| 15:06.46 | castingcrowns | enouf: I am just trying to get away from a long process, if cp will copy what i want and not free space. I alnoy wish to have a exact image of this drive before i wipe it, but what I really want is just to be able to place the stuff back onto it and have it boot. which ever way i can do this will be fine I would prefur a fastes way though. |
| 15:07.04 | castingcrowns | enouf: im going from internal laptop to external usb. |
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| 15:09.39 | ranix | bullgard4: Email: sage AT simongoodall.co.uk |
| 15:09.52 | ranix | bullgard4: this might be the only way to find out |
| 15:09.57 | ranix | I googled kind of hard |
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| 15:10.13 | ranix | and downloaded the source - the acronym is not described in the readme or todo or license |
| 15:10.40 | phanter | I have the famous "clocksource/0: Time went backwards" error. How can I reach my domu by console now? |
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| 15:11.41 | giaco | hello |
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| 15:12.20 | giaco | how would you perform an installation of an ftp server on a very old server that cannot afford a complete update? (that would create a lot of problems) |
| 15:12.46 | stew | giaco: aptitude install vsftpd? |
| 15:12.57 | ranix | giaco: what version of Debian is it running? |
| 15:12.59 | stew | giaco: why can you not afford an update? |
| 15:13.39 | giaco | stew, it could break the mysql, php or bind server, that would be a disaster |
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| 15:13.48 | enouf | i don't get it - i'm getting ~6-7MB/sec now when trying both bs=32256 and bs=4M |
| 15:14.04 | castingcrowns | lol |
| 15:14.08 | stew | giaco: so you are going to run old versions of those knowing that they have security holes? |
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| 15:14.26 | ranix | stew: holes might not be relevent depending on the environment |
| 15:14.27 | giaco | stew, it's boss decision, not mine |
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| 15:14.33 | giaco | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:14.48 | castingcrowns | enouf: well this is what I was getting when going from one drive to another, but 23M/s when going from drive to file on another drive. |
| 15:14.50 | stew | giaco: yes, you'd have to install a sarge version of vsftpd, not a lenny version |
| 15:14.59 | enouf | castingcrowns: usb 2.0 speeds, no matter what, will top out at ~30M/sec |
| 15:15.21 | stew | giaco: well make sure that your boss understands that the software you are running has well known security vulnerabilities that nobody is fixing |
| 15:15.47 | ranix | giaco: what version of Debian is it running? |
| 15:15.50 | stew | sarge |
| 15:15.54 | enouf | my tests are from internal PATA IDE <-> internal PATA IDE .. same controller - different bus |
| 15:16.05 | ranix | oh, sorry must have missed that |
| 15:16.13 | ranix | just install proftpd or something |
| 15:16.16 | stew | ranix: "but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is to be installed" |
| 15:16.17 | ranix | what's the big deal |
| 15:16.18 | giaco | ranix, don't know, the kernel is 2.4.18 |
| 15:16.37 | stew | ranix: the big deal is that his sources.list is pointing to lenny even though he is running sarge |
| 15:16.39 | castingcrowns | enouf: for speed, could i dd the boot sector, and the just cp the files? Make a note of partition sizes for later, and when I need to load it back, just set it up, cp the files back, and then dd the boot sector back on? am I making sence? |
| 15:16.49 | ranix | giaco: fix your sources.list |
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| 15:18.12 | ranix | if you're running servers at work you should consider investing somebody's time in learning to maintain those servers |
| 15:18.24 | enouf | castingcrowns: sfdisk -d is what you want to easily regenerate the same partition layout of old disk to new disk |
| 15:18.24 | ranix | especially if the server going down would be a "disaster" |
| 15:18.33 | ranix | that's mind-boggling |
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| 15:19.17 | vyrus001 | anybody know why the latest version of cisco vpn freezes on kernel 29 ? |
| 15:19.35 | giaco | ranix, I would admin this server, if the boss would consider spending some working time on this. sadly it's not my decision, it seems he prefers disaster recovery than continuous patching |
| 15:19.44 | ranix | although, I guess it's better for me if you carry on the way you are, barreling towards certain doom, and call guys like me up for a hefty fee to salvage what's left of the smouldering reckage |
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| 15:20.35 | anoHito | my eth0:0,this alias is gone |
| 15:20.39 | giaco | haha, ranix, I guess so |
| 15:20.41 | ranix | giaco: the critical flaw is that if you back up exploited vulnerabilities you will get fucked |
| 15:20.49 | anoHito | but it exists in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:20.51 | anoHito | how strange |
| 15:21.01 | anoHito | ifconfig -a ,no such alias |
| 15:21.38 | stew | giaco: i guess you should actually probably look to see which of the ftpd's in debian have NOT had a security update in the last 3 years before picking one |
| 15:21.50 | castingcrowns | enouf: well I was going to drastically change the partition setup of this drive, so i would not have the old layout anymore. Imbacking this drive up so i can remove XP and put linux on it. |
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| 15:22.34 | ranix | I think I still have a sarge install cd around here from 2004 |
| 15:22.38 | enouf | castingcrowns: use dd to cp the 1st 63 sectors (bs=512), look at it with a hex editor - then do the 1st 64 and you should see the 64th 512sector contains your 1st partition's boot sector |
| 15:23.19 | ranix | 2004 was a good year for cheese, but I don't think that holds for operating systems |
| 15:23.28 | enouf | fine - then setup the other new disk as you like and use any of the various FS layer copying tools we mentioned castingcrowns |
| 15:23.49 | keri | hi, i got a problem to get into samba shares to my other linux box, winxp clients can read and write it normal, but with debian (like from konqueror) i always get "filexxx does not exist!" when i try to get a file. any idea about this? |
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| 15:24.53 | giaco | lol ranix |
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| 15:25.22 | giaco | actually, I'm trying to find out a back compatible sources.list for sarge |
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| 15:25.37 | giaco | if the repository is still up |
| 15:25.40 | ranix | should be a repo somewhere |
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| 15:26.24 | stew | giaco: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian sarge main |
| 15:26.29 | enouf | ahh crap - my swap is being used ... so that might somehow impact these dd tests i'm running atm - although bs=2048 and doing dd from CD/DVD drive is half the speed |
| 15:26.41 | stew | giaco: and get rid of any other sources you might have been referring to |
| 15:27.05 | giaco | stew, sure |
| 15:27.17 | enouf | i got 2 stupid bloated browsers open/loaded with opened tabs as well as my main one .. that's why swap is being hit |
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| 15:27.37 | ranix | all browsers are getting bloated these days |
| 15:27.50 | enouf | not links2 :-) |
| 15:27.55 | ranix | haha nope not links2 |
| 15:28.04 | ranix | opera runs reasonably well on a 300mhz Geode still |
| 15:28.08 | ranix | firefox... doesn't |
| 15:28.12 | enouf | i think it's actually ripping out javashit support entirely soon :-) |
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| 15:28.33 | ranix | javascript has improved with age |
| 15:28.43 | ranix | somewhat |
| 15:28.44 | enouf | it's gotten much much worse |
| 15:28.56 | ranix | it can do some useful things these days |
| 15:29.00 | enouf | and it's so varied, nobody even knows what it is anymore |
| 15:29.25 | giaco | ranix, on install proftpd: locales: Depends: glibc-2.7-1 but it is not installable |
| 15:29.33 | stew | giaco: you don't want to install proftpd |
| 15:29.38 | stew | giaco: pick a different one |
| 15:29.52 | giaco | any suggestion? |
| 15:29.53 | stew | giaco: and show us your sources.list. you are still seemingly pointing at lenny instead of sarge |
| 15:29.54 | ranix | giaco: take stew's ftp server choice over mine |
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| 15:30.33 | giaco | stew, I've just cleaned the sources.list, inserted the one suggested by you, and than update |
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| 15:30.57 | giaco | probably there are some packaged from lenny mixed by another stupid admin -_- |
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| 15:31.09 | stew | giaco: show us the output of "apt-cache pollicy libc6 vsftpd" |
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| 15:31.11 | ranix | giaco: if this server was set up when Sarge was in testing rather than stable you are probably boned |
| 15:31.37 | stew | giaco: you don't want proftpd because the sarge version still has http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1689 and http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1727 |
| 15:31.54 | giaco | http://pastie.caboo.se/431492 |
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| 15:32.22 | stew | it is indeed a not up to date sarge |
| 15:32.29 | stew | giaco: what about "apt-cache policy proftpd" |
| 15:32.30 | ranix | ouch |
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| 15:33.25 | giaco | ranix, I'd like to give you a clear answer, but I'm discovering this system right now |
| 15:33.39 | ranix | giaco: your pastebin gave the answer clear as a bell |
| 15:33.58 | enouf | !ding |
| 15:33.58 | dpkg | ding is, like, a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/ |
| 15:34.04 | enouf | bah |
| 15:34.10 | ranix | giaco: I strongly suggest following stew's original suggestion, back up your system, and upgrade to Lenny |
| 15:34.13 | giaco | http://pastie.caboo.se/431495 |
| 15:34.29 | ranix | !sarge->lenny |
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| 15:34.43 | ranix | no thoughts on the matter apparently |
| 15:34.47 | stew | giaco: then i don't know how you are getting the error you say you are getting |
| 15:34.54 | enouf | ranix: you forgot Etch :-P |
| 15:34.57 | stew | giaco: but I'd recommend at least upgrading to the current sarge before doing anything |
| 15:35.07 | ranix | enouf: I've only skipped a version once |
| 15:35.08 | keri | hi, i got a problem to get into samba shares to my other linux box, winxp clients can read and write it normal, but with debian (like from konqueror) i always get "filexxx does not exist!" when i try to get a file. any idea about this? |
| 15:35.23 | ranix | enouf: worked well enough, but I don't know what to recommend |
| 15:35.29 | enouf | so a) as stew just mentioned ... then |
| 15:35.47 | giaco | even apt-get upgrade is complaining: locales: Depends: glibc-2.7-1 but it is not installable |
| 15:35.54 | ranix | sarge rc -> sarge -> etch -> lenny? |
| 15:36.00 | enouf | sarge->etch->lenny ... in one shape or another |
| 15:36.00 | ranix | that will be a day of fun |
| 15:36.36 | ranix | giaco: in this case I think you will need a dist-upgrade |
| 15:36.51 | ranix | giaco: but if someone installed some Lenny packages you might be in pain |
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| 15:36.51 | stew | giaco: show us the output of apt-cache policy locales |
| 15:36.54 | enouf | wonders what giaco 's hardware is ... or maybe i shouldn't ask :-P |
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| 15:37.48 | giaco | stew, the more we dip into, the more I understand why the boss didn't upgrade ... he's ashamed |
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| 15:39.32 | giaco | Anyway, I thank you for your support. I'll report the situation to the boss and than come back: I cannot upgrade anything or it would be my fault -__- |
| 15:39.51 | enouf | make Backups! ;-) |
| 15:40.23 | stew | giaco: you might consider setting up a box to replace this one, and migrate services to it |
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| 15:41.00 | ranix | giaco: I would do as stew, except clone this machine to another and try upgrading it first |
| 15:41.07 | ranix | the clone, that is |
| 15:41.20 | giaco | stew, I would do like this or similar wonderful stuff if I'd be home |
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| 15:41.43 | ranix | just list the options |
| 15:41.50 | ranix | and say yo what do we do |
| 15:42.22 | ranix | tell him ranix will help you out for $75/h |
| 15:42.31 | ranix | ;) |
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| 15:45.28 | kronos | does lenny support out of the box wireless now? |
| 15:45.38 | giaco | ranix, I would be paid at least 1/4 of that much |
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| 15:45.45 | lazer | hello. i use a proxy internet connection on port 8080 but my package manager tries to use port 80 and e.g. wget too. can anybody help me to change the settings to port 8080? thanks for help |
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| 15:46.11 | ranix | giaco: my hourly pay is about 1/4 that too |
| 15:46.23 | ranix | giaco: you ramp the cost on consulting by about a factor of 4 |
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| 15:46.38 | jelly | Guest83054: most drivers require an additional installation of firmware |
| 15:47.12 | ranix | giaco: it's good business sense to make it less economical to dump IT departments and keep consultants for everything |
| 15:47.27 | jelly | lazer: wget will work if you export http_proxy=http://yourproxyaddress:8080/ |
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| 15:48.25 | giaco | ranix, I know, but I won't work here forever ... so, it's not a long term work |
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| 15:49.28 | foetus | good afternoon (ME) |
| 15:49.37 | jelly | lazer: for apt, add Acquire::http::Proxy "http://yourproxyaddress:8080/"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 15:50.37 | lazer | jelly: thx i try |
| 15:51.48 | kibibyte | ppl |
| 15:52.00 | foetus | is it wise to put in a few commands into rc.local, some cleaning operations for example; or is there a better way to do such things? |
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| 15:53.48 | oroep | hello |
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| 15:54.45 | oroep | I'm running on a Lenny, and I need nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx drivers for my nvidia TNT2, but they look not to be available on Lenny's repos... how should I install it? |
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| 15:55.06 | kibibyte | <kibibyte> is it possible to boot virtual machine from cd? |
| 15:55.06 | kibibyte | <kibibyte> live cd |
| 15:55.06 | kibibyte | <kibibyte> or virtual box |
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| 15:56.46 | adb | yes , use the .iso image |
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| 15:57.19 | cusco | hello! |
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| 15:57.47 | enouf | oroep: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 15:58.00 | enouf | oroep: i've used them on my tnt2pro |
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| 15:58.36 | foetus | whats with my rc.local question.. |
| 15:58.45 | oroep | enouf: thanks, i'll check it |
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| 15:59.09 | lazer | jelly: heres my paste http://paste.debian.net/31939/ but it doesn`t work |
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| 15:59.20 | kibibyte | adb but i want only vm ware |
| 15:59.22 | kibibyte | player |
| 15:59.25 | enouf | foetus: cleaning? as in soap and water? windex? laundry? :-P |
| 16:00.02 | jelly | lazer: that seems syntactically correct. |
| 16:00.02 | enouf | kibibyte: pretty sure QEMU can/deos |
| 16:00.06 | enouf | does* |
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| 16:00.31 | kibibyte | :d |
| 16:00.34 | kibibyte | whats that |
| 16:00.42 | enouf | !qemu |
| 16:00.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qemu is a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://www.nongnu.org/qemu/ The KQEMU accelerator is now released under GPL (previously proprietary). http://wiki.debian.org/QEMU |
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| 16:00.54 | foetus | enouf: :) hello -- no, it is only a basic example to use it..i like to put in some action like cleaning logs etc.. |
| 16:01.13 | enouf | foetus: ahh |
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| 16:01.25 | kibibyte | enouf, but its just processor emulator |
| 16:01.26 | jelly | kibibyte: yes, vbox can be booted off a livecd. |
| 16:01.37 | oroep | enouf: sorry, I didn't get it... what drivers are you using? -71xx ? |
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| 16:01.50 | kibibyte | jelly, yeah but vbox must be installed on some OS live cd isnt it |
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| 16:01.59 | jelly | kibibyte: why? |
| 16:02.07 | enouf | oroep: i don't use them anymore - i did it as a test to try and gain some better 2D support :-P |
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| 16:02.16 | jelly | kibibyte: what are you really trying to do? |
| 16:02.18 | oroep | hum |
| 16:02.19 | enouf | oroep: IIRC, yes the 71xx legacy ones though |
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| 16:03.03 | oroep | enouf, yup, 71xx should be the ones to support TNT2, but it looks like they aren't on lenny repos... |
| 16:03.09 | enouf | kibibyte: find grml.org/faq and find it's cheatcodes sheet - look at options for booting various things |
| 16:03.12 | kibibyte | jelly, i want livecd with vbox and then run image of my system from this vbox |
| 16:03.23 | foetus | but the wrong place to do such thing there, maybe.. |
| 16:03.33 | kibibyte | enouf, ok |
| 16:03.34 | enouf | oroep: do you follow what the wiki said about non-free? |
| 16:03.58 | jelly | kibibyte: oh. That should be possible. |
| 16:04.12 | oroep | yes, I am reading it |
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| 16:04.28 | oroep | Lenny and Squeeze contain the newest legacy series, 173.14. This means that Etch lacks support for new card, while Lenny and Squeeze lack support for the newest and oldest cards. |
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| 16:04.56 | oroep | I guess TNT2 is one of the oldest cards it's talking about" |
| 16:04.57 | guk | I got a good one here ... a HDD of mine (was sdb) decides to die on me ... so I unmount /dev/sda1 and rmmod sata-via then unplug the drive for the night ... this morning ... I plug it in and great it works but does not assign sdb1 it assigns sdc1 to it ... of course mounting bitches about duplicate uuid |
| 16:05.13 | jelly | guk: reboot? |
| 16:05.19 | guk | xfs tells me that I HAVE to mount it before I can do anything to it I can't cause of the duplicate uuid |
| 16:05.23 | guk | reboot is the windows way out |
| 16:05.36 | guk | Filesystem "sdb1": xfs_log_force: error 5 returned. |
| 16:05.42 | guk | I have to some how get it to stop this ... |
| 16:05.45 | jelly | guk: is it a production server? |
| 16:05.57 | guk | production in my home |
| 16:05.59 | guk | :) |
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| 16:06.08 | jelly | so reboot. |
| 16:06.10 | guk | I know I could reboot ... but I would rather learn how to do it without rebooting |
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| 16:06.28 | blubberdiblub | guk: you can force xfs to ignore duplicate uuids, if you are sure you're doing the right thing |
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| 16:06.44 | jelly | guk: you'll have to learn about the proper way to hotplug block devices, then |
| 16:06.45 | guk | yeah ... sdb is NOT plugged in |
| 16:06.50 | guk | oh the drive died |
| 16:06.50 | guk | :) |
| 16:06.51 | guk | hehe |
| 16:06.52 | enouf | oroep: backport it from sid/unstable http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx |
| 16:06.52 | hark | oroep: you could install it from sid |
| 16:06.59 | guk | of course I would normally unmount and whatnot |
| 16:07.09 | guk | but you know ... it kinda just stoppped operation |
| 16:07.39 | jelly | guk: that kinda deserves a reboot to clean up the kernel state. |
| 16:07.41 | oroep | ok, I'll try... |
| 16:07.44 | oroep | thanks guys |
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| 16:08.26 | guk | yeah ... but rebooting is the girls way out ... and this drive does this almost monthly ... I don't store anything super important on it but it always comes back |
| 16:08.27 | hark | oroep: no need to backport, just get the driver and kernel module source from sid and use m-a to build it |
| 16:08.30 | guk | I want the rebootless way to handle it |
| 16:08.40 | enouf | oroep: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 16:08.50 | enouf | oh |
| 16:08.51 | oroep | ok, thanks :) |
| 16:09.04 | enouf | oroep: well - i was running sid when i did mine - so :-P |
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| 16:09.54 | kamp2tux | How can I create alias for a DNS (FQDN) name in a client computer ? example, pop.gmail.com alias name is pop.mydomain.com - so that i can configure email client settings to use the alias pop.mydomain.com |
| 16:10.03 | guk | ok ... well by mounting the drive with the uuid option forced ... im now able to mount it and xfs check it :D |
| 16:10.07 | guk | good enough thanks guys |
| 16:10.09 | jelly | guk: investigate whether your driver and hardware support hotplug, install scsiadd and play with disconnecting, rescanning and reconnecting devices properly |
| 16:10.30 | guk | oh no it's the drive |
| 16:10.35 | guk | ive tried it on 3x different chipsets |
| 16:10.42 | guk | via / promise / intel |
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| 16:11.00 | guk | no idea what it does ... but it just dies randomly you unplug it and plug it back in ... it works completely fine for another month |
| 16:11.12 | guk | I got it free ... it's a nice dump site for my sateliite ts's and whatnot |
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| 16:11.15 | jelly | shrugs |
| 16:11.20 | guk | also shrugs |
| 16:11.26 | guk | i'll replace it eventually haha |
| 16:11.39 | jelly | we seem to be in agreement then. |
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| 16:12.20 | guk | i got it going good enough |
| 16:12.27 | guk | i'll see what I can do about these kernel messages |
| 16:13.22 | enouf | hark: i could never get it straight whether i needed "nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-71xx" or "nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source" or both .. do you know offhand? |
| 16:13.55 | enouf | hark: the former is listed in p.d.o/source/sid/... the latter is not |
| 16:14.24 | enouf | hark: but they both show info from apt-get showsrc output :-P |
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| 16:14.37 | stew | enouf: you need to get a board with intel graphics insteead |
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| 16:14.44 | enouf | haha .. |
| 16:14.46 | enouf | never! |
| 16:14.51 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 16:15.28 | RichiH | heh, there is a jelly-bean in #ubuntu |
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| 16:15.38 | ajavid | hey whats up |
| 16:15.40 | enouf | stew: i even have a VIA (*cough*) unichrome integrated thing here ... lmao |
| 16:15.40 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> lenny (debian 5.0.0) released!: /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r7 released /msg dpkg etch | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | channel logs: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian/ |
| 16:16.09 | stew | diff: remove dead link to the non-existant FAQ, /msg dpkg paste->/msg dpkg pastebin, add notice about channel logs |
| 16:16.16 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 16:16.21 | guk | Filesystem "sdb1": xfs_log_force: error 5 returned. |
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| 16:16.26 | guk | I keep getting this |
| 16:16.29 | guk | I wonder how I get it to stop |
| 16:16.49 | jelly | "reboot" |
| 16:17.03 | blubberdiblub | guk: you removed sdb without properly unregistering it, right? |
| 16:17.08 | guk | no it died |
| 16:17.13 | guk | but yeah that's what happened |
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| 16:17.19 | jelly | and with a live fs mounted off it |
| 16:17.21 | guk | there has to be another way then rebooting ... |
| 16:17.35 | guk | oh of course it failed ... I was watching a movie off smb on it when it happened |
| 16:17.40 | jelly | guk: there is not. |
| 16:17.48 | guk | that's no fun |
| 16:18.15 | guk | I guess I could |
| 16:18.17 | guk | *sigh* |
| 16:18.27 | guk | I hate rebooting ... |
| 16:18.43 | jelly | hate faulty hardware more! |
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| 16:19.44 | enouf | guk: IIRC, the scsitools pkg has something called rescan-scsi-bus.sh or similar |
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| 16:20.23 | lazer | jelly: how can i accept the changes i made in /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 16:20.30 | enouf | guk: basically echo '- - -' /sys/class/scsi_host/HOSTID/something... |
| 16:20.44 | enouf | er with a '>' in there :-) |
| 16:20.55 | guk | hey |
| 16:21.04 | jelly | lazer: that's it, once you save the file they're active |
| 16:21.08 | guk | enouf: hmm ... did that ... it rescanned my bus showd my SCSI and my SATA drive |
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| 16:21.23 | enouf | cat /proc/scsi/scsi to get host/bus/lun numbers IIRC |
| 16:21.57 | enouf | (not sure how deprecated that location is or not) |
| 16:22.00 | jelly | enouf, guk: scsiadd script is a wrapper to not have to do that manually |
| 16:22.42 | enouf | jelly: know which pkgname offhand? i ask because is thought that's basically what the .sh script does that i mentioned |
| 16:23.06 | enouf | s/because is/because i/ |
| 16:23.08 | jelly | enouf: "scsiadd" |
| 16:23.12 | enouf | heh |
| 16:23.21 | enouf | judd: versions scsiadd |
| 16:23.21 | judd | enouf: scsiadd -- etch: 1.95-7.1 lenny: 1.96-1 sid: 1.96-1 squeeze: 1.96-1 |
| 16:23.23 | jelly | -.- |
| 16:23.46 | enouf | cool beans |
| 16:23.58 | lbt_ | anyone know how to stop NetworkManager from stealing eth0 out from my br0 ? |
| 16:24.08 | enouf | hah |
| 16:24.22 | enouf | uninstall it? |
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| 16:24.48 | enouf | or just stop it from ever starting/running ? |
| 16:24.50 | lbt_ | well, that would do it |
| 16:24.54 | jelly | lbt_: a dummy manual entry in /etc/network/interfaces should do the trick |
| 16:25.47 | enouf | jelly: i thought network-mangler doesn't parse that file at all - or - at the least, it stores it's own setttings elsewhere |
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| 16:26.00 | lbt_ | jelly OK, I'll try that... ta. |
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| 16:26.19 | lbt_ | enouf: it's certainly not 'cli friendly' |
| 16:26.26 | enouf | heh |
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| 16:26.50 | stew | lbt_: see /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian about when n-m decides to manage an interface based on what is in the interfaces file |
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| 16:27.20 | hark | the latest one does |
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| 16:27.22 | lbt_ | stew ah, here was me reading the manpage ;) |
| 16:27.49 | enouf | stew: thanks stew - now i just either a) have to install that pkg just to read the doc or b) find it online somewhere |
| 16:28.04 | lbt_ | "Devices listed in /etc/network/interfaces _will_ be managed by NetworkManager" |
| 16:28.18 | klikklak | hi all, how do I remove data from a previous bluetooth pairing? .. I've forgotten the pin and can't pair anymore. might be something else though |
| 16:28.26 | lbt_ | unless.... NM specific in /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf |
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| 16:28.32 | enouf | lbt_: the abc's are man pages, /usr/share/doc/*, wiki/google = then d is irc :-) |
| 16:28.33 | lbt_ | ffr |
| 16:28.41 | jelly | ffs! |
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| 16:28.57 | lbt_ | no, ffs came f then ffr |
| 16:29.15 | enouf | well - that clears up my thoughts |
| 16:29.28 | lbt | ah, you did reinstall it then...? |
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| 16:29.40 | lbt | is confused |
| 16:29.48 | lbt | but not as confused as nfs... |
| 16:29.58 | hark | enouf: afaik, the graphics-drivers package is the source package |
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| 16:30.33 | enouf | <enouf> jelly: i thought network-mangler doesn't parse that file at all - or - <hark> the latest one does <lbt_> "Devices listed in /etc/network/interfaces will be managed by NetworkManager" <-- clear as a bell now lbt ;-) |
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| 16:30.56 | enouf | hark: for even the other nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source as well? |
| 16:31.19 | hark | enouf: yes, moment |
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| 16:31.21 | enouf | hark: yes |
| 16:31.27 | Bryan99 | how can i grep all lines in a file that have 999 as character 18,19,20 ? |
| 16:32.04 | enouf | hark: correct - i see nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source, listed under Binary: output of apt-cache showsrc graphics-driver-... |
| 16:32.06 | NoReGreT | where can I find a list of good repos ? |
| 16:32.07 | jelly | Bryan99: grep '^.............................999' ... make sure there are exactly 17 dots :-) |
| 16:32.19 | hark | enouf: see the list here: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-71xx |
| 16:32.38 | enouf | why do they name the pkgname -source, but it's a binary? |
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| 16:33.07 | Bryan99 | thank you jelly |
| 16:33.07 | jelly | !spank enou |
| 16:33.08 | dpkg | bends enou over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 16:33.18 | blubberdiblub | Bryan99, or: grep -E '^.{17,17}999' |
| 16:33.29 | hark | enouf: that's what you use m-a to build the kernel module |
| 16:33.33 | RichiH | ~factinfo strike |
| 16:33.34 | apt | RichiH: there's no such factoid as strike |
| 16:33.42 | RichiH | ~factinfo *strike* |
| 16:33.42 | apt | there's no such factoid as *strike*, RichiH |
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| 16:33.53 | RichiH | seems i lost the bloot-fu |
| 16:34.01 | enouf | crap hark - look ar this ! apt-cache showsrc nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source ALSO lists "nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source" as one it's Binary: !!! |
| 16:34.08 | zek | why would the command "make" not be found on my debian 5.00 install? |
| 16:34.18 | enouf | one of it's |
| 16:34.23 | nsadmin | you have boot flu? |
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| 16:34.44 | hark | zek: it's not installed? |
| 16:34.45 | enouf | hark: i concur m-a is the next best thing to sliced bread ;0 |
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| 16:35.06 | zek | hark: i installed gcc, what am i missing? |
| 16:35.22 | nsadmin | the rest of the build system? |
| 16:35.24 | adb | !be |
| 16:35.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, be is Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS. |
| 16:35.29 | adb | !b-e |
| 16:35.29 | dpkg | i heard build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 16:35.35 | hark | !b-e zek |
| 16:35.36 | dpkg | zek: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 16:35.40 | wsxws | hi all. are there some common settings to be changed if cgi-script, which work perfect under etch fail under lenny ? |
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| 16:37.14 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 16:37.15 | zek | sorry it was a stupid question i thought that gcc would take care of it |
| 16:37.17 | enouf | hark: when you said the latest NetworkManager does, are you referring to sid (and possible testing) versions? |
| 16:37.20 | nsadmin | the bot flashed you |
| 16:37.39 | hark | enouf: version 0.7 |
| 16:37.47 | enouf | hark: ok, thanks |
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| 16:37.58 | enouf | judd: versions NetworkManager |
| 16:37.59 | judd | enouf: NetworkManager -- |
| 16:38.03 | enouf | judd: versions Network-Manager |
| 16:38.03 | judd | enouf: Network-Manager -- |
| 16:38.14 | enouf | judd: versions Network-ManGLER :-P |
| 16:38.14 | judd | enouf: Network-ManGLER -- |
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| 16:38.30 | enouf | gives up and takes a nap |
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| 16:38.45 | hark | judd: versions network-manager |
| 16:38.46 | judd | hark: network-manager -- etch: 0.6.4-6 lenny: 0.6.6-3 squeeze: 0.6.6-3 sid: 0.7.0.99-1 |
| 16:38.48 | smagggyyyy | hello folks is it possible to run openldap supporting version 2 and 3 at the same time ? |
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| 16:39.06 | hark | enouf: sid one |
| 16:39.23 | enouf | aye, thanks |
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| 16:41.00 | NoReGreT | where can I find a list of good repos for debian 5? |
| 16:41.15 | stew | NoReGreT: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 16:41.23 | wsxws | are there known problems with cgi-scripts running on lenny, or are there some known difference between the default config which could cause problem while executing cgi-script which runn perfect under etch ? |
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| 16:42.15 | nsadmin | wsxws: for known problems, /msg dpkg bts |
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| 16:44.04 | Mood | Is it possible that my linux box changes/corrupts mp3 files when I download using Nicotine+? |
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| 16:45.25 | wsxws | cool, thats like: if you are looking for a certain psalm go and read the bible |
| 16:46.14 | wsxws | and particular i wasn thinking of a bug, i was just thinking of a maybe slightly different defaul-config |
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| 16:51.14 | klikklak | here we go, I wasn't part of group netdev. this fixed my bluetooth problem of no services showing |
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| 16:51.50 | kriebz | Mood: it seems unlikely the OS is to blame for broken downlaods on peer-to-peer |
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| 16:53.57 | Mood | i suspect it's either nicotine+ that's corrupting the mp3 somehow, or something wrong with the file system between my linux and my download share drive |
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| 16:55.21 | kriebz | well, try copying a good MP3 from somewhere to whereever you're storing your downloads |
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| 16:57.20 | DevilChaos | hi how might i access my sata drive i have just bought bios finds it so its just a matter of mountint issue i think? |
| 16:58.00 | plediii | does anyone have experience installing intel fortran on intel xeon x86_64 with debian 5? It complains it can't find the 32-bit compatibility libraries libstdc++, libstdc++5, glibc and libgcc even though I'm pretty sure they're installed |
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| 16:59.13 | adama1 | DevilChaos: you probably have to create a partition and make a filesystem if it's brand new |
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| 17:00.41 | DevilChaos | adam1: parted should sort that out then lost my train of thought from the wknd before after i installed as i had that in mind but wasnt sure |
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| 17:00.48 | DevilChaos | thanks al give it a shot |
| 17:00.49 | valdyn | plediii: so youre just pretty sure = you dont know |
| 17:00.57 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 17:00.57 | valdyn | plediii: go verify |
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| 17:01.03 | plediii | valdyn: up to the ambiguity of the library names yes |
| 17:01.07 | adama1 | DevilChaos: try fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 17:01.09 | plediii | which library is libgcc? |
| 17:01.14 | adama1 | if sdb is the new drive, foloow? |
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| 17:01.28 | DevilChaos | yup yup cheers |
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| 17:02.11 | plediii | if the script wasn't closed I could look in and see what it thought it was |
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| 17:02.38 | plediii | premptively i've installed the libgcc1 and lib32gcc1 packages |
| 17:02.52 | valdyn | plediii: libc6-dev-i386 for glibc, rest is probably not available in debian |
| 17:03.02 | LemensTS | find pages/large/ -iname "*.jpg" | xargs -l -i convert -resize 800x600 {} small/{} i want to save them into small/ but when i run it, it tries to convert small/pages/large/*.jpg |
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| 17:03.35 | valdyn | plediii: well, the libgcc certainly is, but libstdc++ is not |
| 17:03.40 | adama1 | DevilChaos: make sure /dev/sdb1 exists and is set to ext3 (if that's what you want) and mkfs /dev/sdb1, man mkfs first |
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| 17:04.14 | kizzo | Debian's a good operating system. |
| 17:04.15 | plediii | valdyn: Is this new in debian? I've seen reports that it could be installed in debian4 |
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| 17:04.38 | kizzo | I recently spent my spring break installing it on my laptop and server. |
| 17:04.47 | kizzo | [ replacing Gentoo ] |
| 17:04.51 | kizzo | It's working great. |
| 17:04.55 | valdyn | plediii: sure, libstdc++6 is current i think |
| 17:04.58 | kizzo | Just wanted to say that. |
| 17:05.05 | kizzo | haha : ) |
| 17:05.23 | plediii | there is a libstdc++5 package |
| 17:05.30 | valdyn | plediii: i cant see the -dev packages for either though |
| 17:06.44 | valdyn | plediii: thats a 64-bit package |
| 17:06.51 | kizzo | I'll likely be using it for a while. |
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| 17:07.54 | plediii | i should have realized that |
| 17:07.55 | enouf | wow this sucker is as frozen as a dead fish - i never knew one could bring the internet to a grinding halt just by using midori or konqueror |
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| 17:08.20 | adama1 | Debian is the best Linux. I've tried many others but always come back, for years |
| 17:08.20 | plediii | thanks valdyn |
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| 17:08.42 | valdyn | plediii: debian seems to be shipping version 5 only for legacy apps as runtime support, i see no -dev, not native 64-bit nor 32-bit |
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| 17:09.04 | kizzo | adama1: mmm. |
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| 17:09.38 | Dillizar | if i install e17 will i still have support from #debian |
| 17:09.58 | enouf | well .. |
| 17:09.59 | adama1 | not if e17 is not debian |
| 17:10.14 | plediii | valdyn: it wasn't clear to me that it would need the development packages, I don't think it's compiling the compiler |
| 17:10.15 | valdyn | judd: versions e17 |
| 17:10.16 | judd | valdyn: e17 -- experimental: 0.16.999.050+svn20090203-1 |
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| 17:10.21 | enouf | adama1: actually if it came from experimental ... |
| 17:10.30 | enouf | bingo |
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| 17:10.36 | plediii | i think it's doing cross compiling |
| 17:10.36 | Dillizar | well debian 5 with e? |
| 17:10.42 | valdyn | plediii: possibly, i never saw the actual error message |
| 17:10.47 | enouf | Dillizar: you'll likley get as much help as you deserve :-P |
| 17:10.54 | Dillizar | lol |
| 17:10.54 | plediii | valdyn: I wish they were more descriptive than what I told the channel |
| 17:10.55 | Dillizar | :D |
| 17:11.01 | Dillizar | !elive |
| 17:11.02 | dpkg | elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive (FN, irc.freenode.net). |
| 17:11.14 | valdyn | plediii: if you do an "ldd binary" you get to see linkage |
| 17:11.27 | valdyn | plediii: like "ldd /usr/bin/gcc" |
| 17:11.41 | valdyn | plediii: if thats where that file is missing then you just need a binary |
| 17:11.43 | adama1 | !e17 |
| 17:11.44 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17, or http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=998439&cid=25407381 |
| 17:12.12 | plediii | ok, i just need to unrpm these packages and check that out |
| 17:12.22 | plediii | thank you again :) |
| 17:12.31 | enouf | unrpm? oh dear |
| 17:12.32 | Dillizar | hey guys one more thing witch cd to down load for debian i have tried cd1 but doesnt work i cant use sudo :( witch version to download |
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| 17:12.50 | enouf | !lenny netinstall |
| 17:12.50 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 17:12.52 | valdyn | Dillizar: you never instaled sudo |
| 17:12.57 | adama1 | !sudosmite Dillizar |
| 17:12.58 | dpkg | takes a lump of 2x4 to Dillizar and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!" |
| 17:13.03 | valdyn | Dillizar: that behavious wont change by using a different CD |
| 17:13.06 | enouf | oh - i misunderstood |
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| 17:13.18 | adama1 | we use us here, not sudo |
| 17:13.19 | enouf | !sudoers |
| 17:13.19 | dpkg | somebody said sudoers was You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for sudo by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). see also <visudo> For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo' |
| 17:13.24 | valdyn | ubuntu really manages to make people look stupid ;) |
| 17:13.25 | adama1 | s/us/su/ |
| 17:13.26 | Dillizar | lol |
| 17:13.31 | Dillizar | dudes |
| 17:13.32 | Dillizar | ok |
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| 17:13.41 | Dillizar | then how to start the internet pppoe |
| 17:14.00 | enouf | !beroot |
| 17:14.05 | enouf | if needed |
| 17:14.13 | valdyn | Dillizar: the first step is reading the documentation |
| 17:14.15 | enouf | wait - ,,, |
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| 17:14.48 | enouf | don't be root for that ... a proper setup shouldn't need root to run it - but to install things, yes |
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| 17:15.04 | Dillizar | wait there isnt sudo in debian?? |
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| 17:15.12 | stew | Dillizar: there is |
| 17:15.13 | enouf | and configure, edit/modify settings add username to proper groups etc |
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| 17:15.45 | valdyn | !installit |
| 17:15.45 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 17:15.55 | Dillizar | ok so how do i start the conncetion pppoe |
| 17:16.38 | Shockcore | why would i get this error: "mount : operation not supported" when trying to mount /dev/md0 /root/test . I get this since i install the newest kernel, so i am asking myself if i forgot something? md0 is reiserfs and i compiled all reiserfs stuff into the kernel. |
| 17:16.53 | Dillizar | damn debian the more i want to install it more problems i have :@ |
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| 17:17.01 | enouf | as valdyn mentioned ... also man ppp[tab][tab] and have some fun :-) If i have to tell you about /usr/share/doc/* then i just might have to tell yoiu to /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 17:18.17 | enouf | Shockcore: bad mount option listed for it in /etc/fstab? |
| 17:18.35 | Shockcore | it's not listed in fstab |
| 17:18.39 | enouf | or maybe even /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf is whack? |
| 17:18.44 | enouf | why not? |
| 17:18.49 | Shockcore | cuz i mount it manually |
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| 17:18.57 | enouf | are you root? |
| 17:19.03 | enouf | mount is suid root |
| 17:19.12 | Shockcore | and mdadm.conf cant be wack? because old kernel it works fine |
| 17:19.19 | Shockcore | yes i am root lol |
| 17:19.25 | enouf | who owns the mount point? |
| 17:19.29 | Shockcore | root |
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| 17:19.46 | Shockcore | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 9, 0 2009-03-30 19:13 /dev/md0 |
| 17:19.52 | enouf | dude - dunno - old kernel == with reiserfs as =m ? |
| 17:19.59 | valdyn | Shockcore: is md0 in /proc/mdstat ? |
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| 17:20.45 | enouf | i've added myself as user to the disk group once, but since am not anymore - it's not smart to do :-P |
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| 17:21.13 | Shockcore | valdyn: lets see |
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| 17:22.41 | Shockcore | valdyn yes |
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| 17:22.49 | Shockcore | md0 : active raid0 sdb1[0] sdd1[2] sdc1[1] |
| 17:22.49 | Shockcore | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:23.38 | valdyn | Shockcore: what does "mount -t reiserfs /dev/md0 /root/test give? |
| 17:24.41 | Shockcore | umm |
| 17:24.44 | Shockcore | i see errors in var log |
| 17:24.58 | Shockcore | http://pastebin.com/d6655bf41 |
| 17:25.07 | valdyn | i bet you miss a system c all |
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| 17:25.16 | enouf | well - fwiw, i have 2x reiserfs 3.6 partitions here - and here's one of my fstab entries (mount output) /dev/hdc5 on /mnt/p5 type reiserfs (rw,notail,data=journal) |
| 17:25.32 | valdyn | Shockcore: so you forgot to compile in acl support? |
| 17:25.37 | enouf | is that reiser4? |
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| 17:25.46 | enouf | ugh |
| 17:25.50 | valdyn | Shockcore: on top of that the fs is broken |
| 17:25.56 | Shockcore | acl? |
| 17:25.57 | valdyn | its reiser3 |
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| 17:26.07 | valdyn | err |
| 17:26.08 | enouf | !acl |
| 17:26.08 | dpkg | i heard acl is Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 17:26.15 | valdyn | or vice versa |
| 17:26.35 | valdyn | and debugging is enabled why? |
| 17:26.54 | valdyn | either way the fs is broken |
| 17:27.07 | valdyn | because of attempt to access beyond end of device |
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| 17:27.14 | Shockcore | why would it be broken in linux 2.6.29 and not in 2.6.26 |
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| 17:27.53 | Shockcore | ReiserFS POSIX Access Control Lists this i need to compile? |
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| 17:28.38 | valdyn | Shockcore: maybe |
| 17:28.46 | Shockcore | its already enabled :( |
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| 17:29.02 | izua | hey. hi. |
| 17:29.12 | izua | i get various messages before dmesg starts logging |
| 17:29.20 | valdyn | Shockcore: then it needs to be disable,d at least to shut up that error |
| 17:29.23 | izua | thermal something not found, could not install cpu.. |
| 17:29.34 | nsadmin | reiser? back up a lot. have a -plan-. know how to restore. |
| 17:29.46 | izua | the thing is, the installer cd decided to use the 686 kernel, while the box it's running on is merely a P2 @ 400 MHz |
| 17:29.47 | valdyn | reiserfs isnt that bad |
| 17:29.48 | valdyn | geez |
| 17:29.54 | izua | is this bad? |
| 17:30.07 | jelly | izua: a P2 _is_ a 686, that's ok. |
| 17:30.15 | nsadmin | except for the complete filesystem losses? or was that fixed? |
| 17:30.17 | Shockcore | so is there something better then reiserfs? |
| 17:30.18 | izua | i thought 686 were multicore stuff |
| 17:30.25 | Shockcore | for a raid0 array |
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| 17:30.28 | izua | well.. multicore 8086 archs |
| 17:30.35 | izua | fine, then |
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| 17:30.43 | izua | ok, next thing. this box doesn't have X or anything related to it |
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| 17:30.47 | jelly | Shockcore: what are you using the raid0 for? |
| 17:30.54 | izua | how can i install utf-8? |
| 17:30.57 | valdyn | nsadmin: it has an ordered data mode just like ext3 |
| 17:31.02 | izua | i can see â in the terminal |
| 17:31.22 | izua | but the other diacritics for my langauge (þºãî) end up as extended ascii chars |
| 17:31.36 | izua | although the keymap is set to .ro |
| 17:31.43 | izua | same thing happens in lynx |
| 17:31.49 | izua | anything that uses UTF-8 isn't rendered right |
| 17:31.50 | Shockcore | jelly for a file server |
| 17:32.33 | valdyn | Shockcore: this fs is broken or 2.6.29 broke reiserfs in your setup |
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| 17:32.50 | Shockcore | i see |
| 17:33.07 | Shockcore | but it cant be broken? if i boot back in 2.6.26 it will work fine hehe |
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| 17:33.21 | valdyn | Shockcore: try |
| 17:33.33 | nsadmin | then why not use 2.6.26? |
| 17:33.40 | valdyn | Shockcore: and search for "attempt to access beyond end of device" |
| 17:33.41 | jelly | Shockcore: anything is better than reiserfs v3 at this point in time; ext3 and xfs should work |
| 17:33.43 | Shockcore | umm, i think i had selinux enabled in .26 and i removed it from .29 |
| 17:34.02 | Shockcore | ok |
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| 17:34.13 | valdyn | Shockcore: reiserfs has no reason why you want to use it except that it saves space on small files |
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| 17:34.23 | valdyn | Shockcore: its not faster, its not more secure than the others |
| 17:34.31 | Shockcore | so i should use ext3 |
| 17:34.42 | Shockcore | can i convert reiserfs to ext3 ? |
| 17:34.51 | Shockcore | witout loosing data |
| 17:34.52 | jelly | valdyn: well it is faster for some uses. ext3 is notoriously slow when deleting files |
| 17:35.02 | izua | is it even possible to have utf8 with no X? |
| 17:35.03 | jelly | Shockcore: no, backup/reformat/restore |
| 17:35.08 | nsadmin | you probably have to copy or tar/restore |
| 17:35.13 | Shockcore | ok |
| 17:35.38 | valdyn | jelly: then he can use xfs |
| 17:35.44 | Shockcore | you guys would use xfs or etx3 for fileserver? or maybe i saw etx4.... |
| 17:35.51 | valdyn | jelly: but youre right sure. |
| 17:36.03 | valdyn | Shockcore: xfs is excellent all in all |
| 17:36.09 | Shockcore | oki |
| 17:36.11 | valdyn | Shockcore: ext3 is extremely reliable all in all |
| 17:36.14 | jelly | Shockcore: and ext3 is the safest bet |
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| 17:36.37 | Shockcore | i guess etx4 is too new to be used at big servers |
| 17:36.38 | valdyn | Shockcore: certainly neither of both are the fastest, but that shouldnt be relevant to you imo |
| 17:36.41 | sepult | i thought ext2 was safer |
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| 17:36.49 | nsadmin | you might need a UPS on machines using xfs |
| 17:36.58 | valdyn | sepult: what? |
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| 17:37.16 | jelly | nsadmin: "fixed in 2007" |
| 17:37.22 | sepult | valdyn: without the journaling, isn't it gonna be safer ? |
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| 17:37.37 | valdyn | Shockcore: every fs needs an UPS to be secure against data loss on power outage |
| 17:37.48 | valdyn | sepult: no |
| 17:37.54 | Shockcore | heh |
| 17:37.58 | sepult | valdyn: ok |
| 17:38.18 | sepult | valdyn: what does the journaling do actually ? |
| 17:38.31 | valdyn | sepult: guarantees the the filesystem works |
| 17:38.36 | valdyn | sepult: guarantees that the filesystem works |
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| 17:38.52 | aurel42 | I'm working alternately on two desktop machines. I'd like to minimize closing and restarting applications (for some if not all applications). Anybody got a working solution for this situation? Kinda like a "screen for X/Gnome applications"? |
| 17:38.55 | jelly | saves from fsck time, usually |
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| 17:38.56 | valdyn | sepult: it does not however guarantee your data, but not having a journal does not do that either |
| 17:38.57 | sepult | valdyn: so it should be put outside to another partition then ? |
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| 17:39.02 | sepult | valdyn: external journal ? |
| 17:39.10 | valdyn | sepult: no, why? |
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| 17:39.26 | sepult | valdyn: i don't know i ask |
| 17:39.35 | valdyn | sepult: you can do that for some speed improvement |
| 17:39.41 | sepult | valdyn: oh ok |
| 17:39.44 | ranix | aurel42: nxclient can do that via session restoration |
| 17:39.57 | ranix | aurel42: whether that's acceptable or not depends on what you're doing |
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| 17:40.05 | ranix | aurel42: plain old xdmcp might be able to do the same thing |
| 17:40.46 | aurel42 | ranix: nxclient isn't open source, is it? |
| 17:40.49 | valdyn | sepult: disks can do very odd things when power supply is flaky, so all of this can break, theoretically |
| 17:40.55 | ranix | aurel42: mostly no |
| 17:41.10 | ranix | it's only free as in beer |
| 17:41.17 | aurel42 | ranix: for religious reasons, I need a free solution... free as in speech. |
| 17:41.39 | ranix | aurel42: I respect your deific leanings, but prefer to distance myself from organized religion |
| 17:41.41 | zepp^ | is it possible to use a intel 5100 wifiadapter in lenny, without upgrading the kernel beyond 2.6.27? |
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| 17:41.48 | aurel42 | ranix: :) |
| 17:42.02 | valdyn | aurel42: you cannot migrate applications between X servers |
| 17:42.20 | valdyn | aurel42: which leaves only solutions such as vnc, nx - both doing the same in that regard |
| 17:43.32 | valdyn | aurel42: one thing you can do if you have those 2 machines networked is make *one* Xserver span 2 computers |
| 17:44.10 | valdyn | or thats probably one X DISPLAY |
| 17:44.11 | aurel42 | valdyn: I was more hoping for something like "Xpra", but perhaps with more Gnome integration. |
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| 17:45.06 | aurel42 | I guess I'll have to give Xpra another try and forget about clipboard/theme integration for the moment. |
| 17:45.27 | valdyn | aurel42: thats a like 1 vnc per app |
| 17:45.39 | aurel42 | valdyn: yeah, that's closer to my usage |
| 17:45.51 | valdyn | aurel42: i dont know about a gnome ui for that |
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| 17:46.01 | aurel42 | valdyn: I need it mainly for Pidgin and Evolution. |
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| 17:46.33 | valdyn | aurel42: sounds like you need an exchange server |
| 17:46.41 | aurel42 | valdyn: ;) |
| 17:47.37 | valdyn | aurel42: this is done with an imap server or a groupware server or just an imap server |
| 17:47.41 | valdyn | aurel42: ( usually ) |
| 17:48.05 | valdyn | aurel42: now i said imap twice, i meant exchange |
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| 17:48.33 | plediii | this is probably a stupid question, but can I install etch debs on lenny? |
| 17:48.58 | aurel42 | valdyn: since I use several IMAP and POP accounts and a local message archive, that's actually not what I want, but I appreciate the advice. |
| 17:48.58 | valdyn | plediii: some |
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| 17:49.30 | valdyn | aurel42: i merge all my mail into one imap server and acess that from everywhere |
| 17:49.49 | valdyn | aurel42: but for instant messaging i dont think theres a solution like that at all |
| 17:49.52 | plediii | for instance lib32stdc++5 ( assuming its in there) |
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| 17:50.08 | valdyn | plediii: try it, you will see if it fails |
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| 17:50.50 | valdyn | plediii: thats not really dangerous at all, replacing lenny packages or using the --force is |
| 17:50.56 | aurel42 | valdyn: I need to keep my mail sources separated (private / workplace a / workplace b) |
| 17:51.01 | plediii | ok |
| 17:51.12 | plediii | this is a fresh install, so i'm not too worried about breaking things |
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| 17:52.31 | zepp^ | question about Lenny; is there a way to use the Intel 5100 wireless card without upgrading the kernel? |
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| 17:54.44 | aixenv | if you had to use a command line tool to test the speed a webpage loads, what would you use curl -O or something else? |
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| 17:56.06 | izua | hi. |
| 17:56.13 | izua | how do i get unicode characters showing up in the console? |
| 17:56.51 | aurel42 | aixenv: if that's not good enough, have a look at "ab" (in package apache2-utils) |
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| 17:57.48 | aurel42 | izua: set default locale to something ending in .UTF8? (dpkg-reconfigure locales) |
| 17:58.04 | aixenv | aurel42: what im trying to do is figure out how to test loading a page w/o loading flash or images |
| 17:58.10 | aixenv | im not sure how to exclude |
| 17:58.44 | aurel42 | aixenv: If you use curl or wget, they will only get the page itself, no pics, flash etc. |
| 17:58.58 | aurel42 | aixenv: ...unless you tell them to work recursively. |
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| 17:59.17 | aixenv | ah ok ty aurel42 |
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| 18:00.15 | aurel42 | aixenv: and to time any shell command, just put "time " in front of it, as in "time wget ..." |
| 18:00.28 | aixenv | gotcha |
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| 18:00.51 | ranix | I'm doing some quick and dirty documentation for some brain-dead topics, not worth spending too much time on. What's the best WYSIWIG HTML editor for Debian? |
| 18:01.01 | ranix | (don't say vim) |
| 18:01.04 | aurel42 | emacs |
| 18:01.09 | ranix | acks |
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| 18:01.55 | ranix | apt-cache search wysiwyg |
| 18:01.57 | aurel42 | ranix: (don't say emacs) aurel42: vim |
| 18:02.01 | izua | aurel42: nope, not working. |
| 18:02.01 | ranix | gives a long list, any help would be good |
| 18:02.10 | izua | i installed ro iso utf8 |
| 18:02.31 | izua | diacritics, either typed - or displayed from other programs still end up bad |
| 18:02.58 | aurel42 | izua: is this a local shell, ie. are you sitting in front of the machine in question? |
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| 18:03.00 | cuba | hey, the directive in dhcpd.conf for adding specific IP to hw address.... host myHost { harware 34:43 fixed address 92.33.33.33 } does the myHost mean MY HOST, or the host name of the host I'm giving an address to |
| 18:03.28 | kriebz | cuba: it's just a nickname |
| 18:03.43 | valdyn | cuba: what makes sense for you? |
| 18:03.51 | izua | aurel42: yes. |
| 18:04.07 | cuba | kriebz, so If I want to add 10 of fixed IPs to hosts, I will have ten of those directive host Name { } |
| 18:04.08 | aurel42 | izua: did you relogin after changing locales? |
| 18:04.11 | valdyn | i wouldnt wanna see 1000 myhost entries in my dhcpd.conf |
| 18:04.16 | adama1 | ranix: try quanta |
| 18:04.17 | izua | yes. |
| 18:04.22 | izua | btw - there is no X running |
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| 18:04.31 | ranix | adama1: thanks bud |
| 18:04.56 | cuba | valdyn, and how would you do that ? |
| 18:05.18 | adama1 | ranix: I only recommend it because I have it and it is what is says it is, appears very full-featured. I've never used it though. I use vi :D |
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| 18:05.32 | NoReGreT | I created a bridge, how can I add it in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 18:05.43 | aurel42 | izua: I have never tested UTF8 on the console, I can imagine that it only supports the ISO charsets. |
| 18:06.04 | izua | i can't really afford X here. 400mhz, 1.6GB overall space :) |
| 18:06.18 | izua | does this look like a t to you: þ ? |
| 18:06.19 | ranix | adama1: yeah I have never had to do something mindless with html before, and it seems vi is not gonna cut it |
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| 18:06.37 | aurel42 | izua: it looks like you're sticking your tongue out at me. |
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| 18:06.48 | valdyn | cuba: how would I do what? |
| 18:06.50 | izua | on my terminal it looks like a b with a downstroke |
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| 18:06.58 | aurel42 | izua: same here :D |
| 18:06.59 | izua | it should be a t with a cedilla |
| 18:07.01 | adama1 | ranix: You can also use OOo writer and save as html, it creates quite good and concise html, MUCH better than Werd |
| 18:07.11 | aixenv | 400mhz? |
| 18:07.13 | clive | what's happened to "madwifi" in "testing"? |
| 18:07.17 | aixenv | are you serious? |
| 18:07.17 | ranix | adama1: quanta looks superior to OOo |
| 18:07.22 | cuba | if you have a 512 hosts, there would be 512 host name {} directives |
| 18:07.22 | adama1 | ok |
| 18:07.22 | izua | that's a tz diacritic mark, in my langauge |
| 18:07.29 | izua | aixenv: ya, i got it for free. |
| 18:07.33 | valdyn | cuba: sure |
| 18:07.34 | hark | clive: removed |
| 18:07.36 | aixenv | id throw it back in the dumpster |
| 18:07.53 | aixenv | do you have a pdp7 also? |
| 18:08.02 | aixenv | that's a pos omg that's old |
| 18:08.07 | izua | well, it was a beerstand before :P |
| 18:08.11 | izua | and we got a new one. |
| 18:08.12 | aixenv | better use |
| 18:08.15 | cuba | valdyn, ok, thanks |
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| 18:08.21 | aixenv | put it back to being a beerstand lol |
| 18:08.23 | clive | hark: :( temporarily or do I need to find a different solution? |
| 18:08.27 | aurel42 | izua: I'll /msg you |
| 18:08.37 | izua | I can't. there's a table there, that works for a beerstand |
| 18:08.39 | izua | aurel42: sure |
| 18:09.23 | adama1 | izua: make a bong out of it |
| 18:10.05 | clive | i'm a bit confused with upgrades now, is testing newer than lenny or somewhere between etch and lenny? |
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| 18:10.09 | lolufail | hi! |
| 18:10.13 | izua | how can you make a bong out of a box? |
| 18:10.25 | izua | plus, i already have a perefectly good bong ;) |
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| 18:10.42 | valdyn | cuba: im surprised the name is mandatory, but appearantly it is |
| 18:10.44 | hark | clive: http://bugs.debian.org/519446 |
| 18:10.54 | clive | hark: thank you!! |
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| 18:11.41 | hark | clive: i guess they should have waited for the newer kernel to enter testing before removing it |
| 18:11.52 | adama1 | izua: a friend made a functioning bong out of a box, the bowl was in the cd-rom drive, the box ran ubuntu, you'd 'eject' to fire it up, hoses just came out the rear pci holes |
| 18:11.55 | creator-cdsc | how do i mount the external hard drive? it is not auto-mounting |
| 18:12.07 | cuba | valdyn, me to, because it is hard-coded and maintain such an amount of host must be nice |
| 18:12.11 | WormFood | ugh!!! my network card isn't supported in debian :( but I can get source code drivers for it....can anyone point me to a good tutorial on how to do this for debian? |
| 18:12.13 | lolufail | I hope someone has experience with 7zip, please help me if you do, I've spent hours :(. I want to include something inside an excluded folder (exclude /var/*, but include /var/www), but cannot get it to work. The only thing I ever accomplished was getting the /var/www directory as /www, together with /etc and the rest, which is NOT what I want obviously. halp! |
| 18:12.18 | WormFood | adama1, pictures? |
| 18:12.47 | hark | clive: you can install it from lenny if you need madwifi |
| 18:13.23 | WormFood | lolufail, don't use 7shit |
| 18:13.24 | hark | WormFood: what network card? |
| 18:13.31 | WormFood | intel |
| 18:13.42 | WormFood | forget the model |
| 18:13.59 | teddy__ | whats wrong with 7Zip..its fine.... |
| 18:14.02 | hark | what does lspci -nn say? |
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| 18:14.25 | lolufail | WormFood: I want to crypt and split archives, and don't want to have to use the tar | gpg | split pipe the other way around to extract the files, for I want to be able to extract them on windows, if I have to. therefore 7zip is the best solution? |
| 18:14.29 | valdyn | cuba: you can use dns |
| 18:14.42 | WormFood | what is wrong with it? is not a standard app for compressing...rar, zip, bzip2, gzip are standard apps for compression |
| 18:14.51 | clive | hark: yea! :/ |
| 18:14.52 | WormFood | rar |
| 18:15.04 | NoReGreT | I created a bridge, how can I add it in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 18:15.07 | WormFood | what is wrong with using rar? |
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| 18:15.16 | lolufail | WormFood: it's not free |
| 18:15.18 | clive | hark: thanks though, at least I know what's up now and I can wait a bit |
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| 18:15.33 | lolufail | WormFood: it's not opensource, and you only get a trial license if I'm not mistaken |
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| 18:15.39 | arejay | Processing triggers for python-support ... |
| 18:15.40 | arejay | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:15.40 | arejay | gconf2 |
| 18:15.40 | arejay | swfdec-gnome |
| 18:15.40 | arejay | gnome-mag |
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| 18:15.50 | WormFood | is 7zip open source? |
| 18:15.58 | valdyn | WormFood: its in debian |
| 18:16.05 | WormFood | hark, it is a 82567V network "card" |
| 18:16.24 | WormFood | there is an unrar program with debian too |
| 18:16.44 | arejay | anyone know whats going on, i cant install any packages, i keep getting the error that a bunch of packages arent configured, i ran dpkg --configure -a |
| 18:16.54 | valdyn | WormFood: which is also free |
| 18:17.13 | WormFood | just because a program is in debian, does not mean it is the original program (it could have been a rewritten open source version) |
| 18:17.32 | WormFood | now I haven't looked into 7zip |
| 18:17.45 | adama1 | WormFood: no pictures :( |
| 18:17.50 | WormFood | I mean, not much...i looked at it briefly |
| 18:18.03 | WormFood | adama1, I think you're high, and just dreamed that |
| 18:18.08 | WormFood | :P |
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| 18:18.59 | WormFood | for example, if i just told people about this picture http://wormfood.net/pictures/fire_sign.jpg and didn't have a picture to back me up, people wouldn't believe me |
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| 18:21.11 | castingcrowns | what would be the best was to compress a cloned harddrive with allot of free space? is it bzip2? |
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| 18:21.50 | joltcan | castingcrowns: Defentely |
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| 18:21.56 | joltcan | But correctly spelled |
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| 18:22.02 | valdyn | castingcrowns: dump it first or create a huge file filled with zeroes |
| 18:22.04 | hetOrakel | hi all, i know i'am not exactly at the right place, but since this weekend (start daylight saving) the times of the gmail mails are displayed 1 hour off. At windows (also firefox 3.0.8) the times are shown correct. I checked all the places where i can set timezone info. Anyone an idea? |
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| 18:22.20 | valdyn | castingcrowns: where that huge file occupies the "free" space |
| 18:22.25 | castingcrowns | joltcan: lol. well I tried it, but I need it to compress it and place it in a different directory. how can I do this? |
| 18:22.30 | arejay | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libgnome2-common: |
| 18:22.30 | arejay | libgnome2-common depends on gconf2 (>= 2.12.1-1); however: |
| 18:22.30 | arejay | Package gconf2 is not configured yet. |
| 18:22.30 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, arejay |
| 18:22.41 | arejay | i ran dpkg --configure -a, still does nto fix it |
| 18:22.45 | arejay | any ideas? |
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| 18:22.46 | joltcan | castingcrowns: but it might not be worth it, I would go with gz just because of speed |
| 18:23.11 | castingcrowns | gz would still compress free space but be faster? |
| 18:23.29 | valdyn | hetOrakel: you some mta fucked up daylight savings? nothing you can do about that |
| 18:23.33 | joltcan | castingcrowns: Yeah, the compression algorithm is a bit fast, but depending on your hardware it might not bee any difference anyway |
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| 18:24.08 | cuba | valdyn, my problem is, that I'm giving an IP by dhcpd to 5 hosts, and only ubuntu-server doesn't react on dhcpd responses after dhclient requests....the packets are there, but the ubuntu server's dhclient ignores them |
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| 18:24.23 | castingcrowns | joltcan: well say I went with bzip2, how can I get it to compress a file, but place the compressed file in a diferent location? |
| 18:24.37 | cuba | valdyn, really don't know what to do |
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| 18:24.55 | hark | WormFood: wanted the vendor:device code actually.. |
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| 18:25.35 | WormFood | ooohhh...hold on a sec |
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| 18:26.10 | WormFood | what lspci option gives me that? |
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| 18:26.25 | hark | WormFood: lspci -nn |grep 0200 |
| 18:26.38 | hetOrakel | valdyn: i don't exactly understand what your saying, my english isn't that good, could you explain what you mean? |
| 18:26.39 | hark | WormFood: lspci -n |grep 0200 |
| 18:26.41 | WormFood | 8086:10ce |
| 18:26.51 | joltcan | castingcrowns: bzip2 file.bz2 /the/original/file |
| 18:26.57 | WormFood | why grep 0200? |
| 18:27.06 | WormFood | oh... I see now |
| 18:27.07 | hark | WormFood: that's e1000e |
| 18:27.12 | WormFood | yes |
| 18:27.15 | hark | judd pciid 8086:10ce |
| 18:27.16 | judd | hark: [8086:10ce] is '82567V-2 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000e' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi?check=1&lspci=8086:10ce |
| 18:27.40 | WormFood | I want to install sid |
| 18:27.49 | WormFood | and I have a testing install cd |
| 18:27.50 | joltcan | castingcrowns: now I'm lying, bzip2 /the/original/file |
| 18:27.51 | abrotman | please don't |
| 18:28.03 | WormFood | which does not have that driver on the installer cd |
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| 18:29.45 | hark | use the lenny installer then |
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| 18:30.10 | kantor | hi |
| 18:30.29 | WormFood | will it let me change the source, to install sid instead of lenny? |
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| 18:31.13 | aurel42 | WormFood: why not install lenny, then upgrade to sid? |
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| 18:31.27 | abrotman | why not just stay on lenny |
| 18:31.41 | creator-cdsc | lenny is good enough |
| 18:31.42 | WormFood | because I want to install directly to sid |
| 18:31.53 | abrotman | if you need to ask how to get sid installed, you shouldn't be using sid .. |
| 18:32.00 | WormFood | I know I can upgrade, I just don't want to? |
| 18:32.11 | abrotman | good plan |
| 18:32.26 | adama1 | you may be able to edit your sources.list during the install. good luck |
| 18:32.36 | WormFood | I'm not asking how to install sid, I'm asking about the network drivers |
| 18:32.53 | kantor | how can I create a LAN if I have 2 computers and a RJ45 wire ?, I connected the two PC's Ethernet cards with that RJ45 wire but I cant receive any data |
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| 18:33.14 | abrotman | kantor: do you have a crossover cable? a switch ? |
| 18:33.40 | WormFood | kantor, you need ' crossover cable' |
| 18:33.45 | WormFood | or a hub/switch |
| 18:34.12 | NoReGreT | http://pastebin.com/m368da466, what could this mean ? |
| 18:34.17 | abrotman | or a switch that does the mdi/mdx autosensing |
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| 18:34.30 | izua | err.. with a single wire? XD |
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| 18:34.46 | WormFood | kantor, the ethernet connector uses 2 pairs of wires, one pair for transmit, and one pair for receive....you want the transmit out of one computer, going into the receive of the other computer |
| 18:34.49 | abrotman | no, that requires a crossover cable (though i thought some NICs now did the autosensing) |
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| 18:35.18 | adama1 | newer nics will auto-crossover |
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| 18:35.45 | adama1 | just need to set up IPs properly, having no DHCP server or any routes |
| 18:36.26 | kantor | abrotman, WormFood no I have a RJ45 cable, so I need a special crossover cable ? |
| 18:36.56 | abrotman | RJ45 is not a 'cable' |
| 18:37.06 | kantor | wire |
| 18:37.06 | WormFood | strictly speaking, what you have is not RJ45 |
| 18:37.33 | WormFood | but, yes, you need a 'special' crossover cable (not really special, just different) |
| 18:37.57 | abrotman | kantor: RJ45 is a plug/socket type .. |
| 18:38.10 | WormFood | and RJ45 is not used on computers |
| 18:38.17 | WormFood | at least, not for ethernet |
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| 18:38.24 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 18:38.35 | WormFood | no it is not |
| 18:38.35 | adama1 | you want "cat5" |
| 18:38.40 | adama1 | or cat6 |
| 18:38.45 | WormFood | go read what an RJ45 connector is |
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| 18:39.08 | abrotman | WormFood: it's the plug/socket combo .. most commonly used with ethernet cables |
| 18:39.16 | WormFood | people who call ethernet connectors RJ45 are ignorant |
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| 18:39.22 | kantor | Worf_, |
| 18:39.24 | kantor | sorry |
| 18:39.30 | WormFood | RJ45 is a telcom connector |
| 18:39.37 | abrotman | holy jeez .. |
| 18:39.47 | kantor | WormFood, and how do I know that the wire is crossover ? |
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| 18:40.00 | abrotman | kantor: google "crossover cable" but likely it's not a crossover cable |
| 18:40.04 | Witch-King | can someone tell me how to remotely login to X? |
| 18:40.08 | WormFood | and it has a key on it....a true RJ45 connector would not plug into most ethernet cards (however, i have seen a few cards that would accept them) |
| 18:40.18 | abrotman | thinks WormFood is lost ... |
| 18:40.42 | kriebz | Witch-King: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:40.55 | blubberdiblub | kantor, look at the connectors at both sides. if they are wired the same (look at the order of the colour-coded wires), it's not crossover. if they are wired differently, it's crossover |
| 18:41.01 | Witch-King | kriebz, be able to login to gdm remotely |
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| 18:41.10 | Witch-King | kriebz, or at least start my DE and WM remotely |
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| 18:41.20 | kriebz | WormFood: it's generally accepted to call any 8p modular jack RJ-45, even if it isn't technically acurate |
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| 18:41.35 | kriebz | Witch-King: well, there a lots of options |
| 18:41.35 | et | abrotman: actually, it's "most" instead of "some" (regarding autosensing) |
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| 18:42.06 | abrotman | et: i don't muck with having crossover cables just laying randomly about to actually have tested it much .. though having the switch do it is enough for me |
| 18:42.07 | kriebz | Witch-King: I'd probably tell GDM to auto-login and then run desktop sharing (really a VNC server) automatically |
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| 18:42.20 | WormFood | abrotman, go read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack#Registered_jack_types before you start correcting me |
| 18:42.20 | WormFood | "The true RJ45(S) is an extremely uncommon registered jack, but the name "RJ45" is also used quite commonly to refer to any 8P8C modular connector." |
| 18:42.33 | abrotman | WormFood: i can throw out wikipedia articles too ... |
| 18:42.45 | adama1 | who cares? he just needs his IP settings |
| 18:43.08 | kriebz | Witch-King: there's also xdmcp, but I don't think that's what you want |
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| 18:43.09 | kantor | it is not crossover :( |
| 18:43.18 | abrotman | WormFood: it doesn't make what you said correct |
| 18:43.40 | WormFood | just because people commonly call something some thing, does not make it right |
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| 18:43.48 | abrotman | gives up and waits for WormFood to say something inappropriate and get banned again |
| 18:43.55 | WormFood | I also said "strictly speaking", knowing most people are ignorant of the subject |
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| 18:44.20 | gynterk | ?admins |
| 18:44.33 | adama1 | kantor: it might work anyways. Like I said, some NICs will auto-crossover. |
| 18:44.52 | adama1 | if the lights go blinky-blink then you're probably good |
| 18:45.02 | et | blinks |
| 18:45.02 | WormFood | I don't get banned by saying inappropriate things, you just liked to ban people |
| 18:45.23 | WormFood | like* |
| 18:46.00 | gynterk | please ban ScHooL for advertising joiners with porn links in private, thank you |
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| 18:46.21 | kantor | adama1, so if I buy a crossover cable the provat IP's for the two machines gonna be autoconfigured ? |
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| 18:46.29 | adama1 | no |
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| 18:47.04 | adama1 | read man interface, then edit that file on poth machines so that they have different IPs in the same subnet |
| 18:47.08 | WormFood | kantor, no autoconfiguring, unless you set it up that way |
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| 18:47.30 | adama1 | then you can ping the other, hopefully , after doing "ifup eth0" or something, on both |
| 18:48.01 | kantor | so I buy a crossover cable and I add private IP's like 192.168 . . . with ifconfig eth0 192. . . . for the two machines, no ? |
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| 18:48.29 | lolufail | nobody?? |
| 18:48.31 | lolufail | :( |
| 18:48.41 | WormFood | or manually set the ip addresses with ifconfig |
| 18:48.42 | Shockcore | valdyn what do you think about using reiserfs4 ? |
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| 18:49.23 | kantor | yes |
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| 18:49.44 | kantor | WormFood, and there are ethernet cards that work without crossover cable ? |
| 18:50.00 | abrotman | kantor: yes, newer ones |
| 18:50.36 | WormFood | as someone else was saying recently, some cards will auto-sense, and adjust accordingly...I haven't personally seen these cards, but it is possible to do it |
| 18:50.51 | WormFood | just get a crossover cable, or make one...they are easy to find |
| 18:50.51 | kriebz | lolufail: what was your question? I don't see it in my buffer |
| 18:50.53 | mirak | hi |
| 18:51.10 | mirak | is there a way to use a mouse over ethernet ? |
| 18:51.38 | WormFood | I believe my dsl "modem" came with a crossover cable |
| 18:51.38 | WormFood | they are not uncommon or special...just different |
| 18:51.42 | adama1 | mirak: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:52.16 | Witch-King | can someone tell me how to remotely login to X? or start my desktop environment over ssh if i forward x..? |
| 18:52.22 | mirak | adama1: something that could be solved by just unpluging the mouse of computer A and plug it to computer B |
| 18:52.41 | mirak | usb mouse. this solution works of course ... |
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| 18:53.00 | mirak | Witch-King: look for xdmcp |
| 18:53.08 | WormFood | most commonly used to connect 2 hubs/switches together (does anyone actually use hubs anymore?) |
| 18:53.08 | mirak | Witch-King: X -query |
| 18:53.36 | kantor | abrotman, so the crossover cable makes one end of one wire for instance from the cable is RX for one PC and the other end of the same wire is TX for the other PC ? it is something like that ? |
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| 18:53.57 | kriebz | ...especially if they're Cisco, because they won't negotiate auto-mdix with their own kind |
| 18:54.27 | kriebz | mirak: just buy another mouse |
| 18:54.35 | _kettle_ | How can I tell the installer to create a GPT partition table instead of an msdos partition table? |
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| 18:55.21 | Witch-King | mirak, i do not see -query in the man page? |
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| 18:55.51 | elirips | Hello. Can someone recomend me a programm to draw 'trees' with, available in Debian? |
| 18:55.54 | mirak | Witch-King: it is there, however it's not secure |
| 18:55.59 | WormFood | kantor, yes, that is how a crossover cable works, and why it is called a "crossover", because if you look at a diagram of it, the cables are crossed |
| 18:56.06 | mirak | Witch-King: unless you tunnel it I guess. |
| 18:56.11 | Witch-King | mirak, even over ssh..? |
| 18:56.14 | Witch-King | oh |
| 18:56.23 | Witch-King | mirak, how can i start my DE if i forward X |
| 18:56.33 | Witch-King | with ssh |
| 18:56.45 | mirak | Witch-King: over ssh it's ok, though I are not going to use that on something else than a LAN |
| 18:56.50 | kriebz | Witch-King: I think you're thiking too windows-y |
| 18:56.51 | stew | Witch-King: which desktop environment? |
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| 18:57.13 | mirak | Witch-King: check KNX if you want to use remote desktop with X and ssh |
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| 18:57.46 | kantor | WormFood, but the ethernet card is full duplex, right ? I mean it can send and receive on the same time, not just receive for one PC and the other PC only to send . . . |
| 18:57.54 | mirak | Witch-King: you don't forward with ssh -X . You do a tunnel on the right ports. and google XDMCP |
| 18:58.07 | WormFood | yes, if you use a crossover cable, it is full duplex |
| 18:58.10 | kriebz | kantor: don't worry about the details of Ethernet when you have a bigger problem |
| 18:58.14 | mirak | Witch-King: sorry, I let you alone with google ^^ |
| 18:58.26 | stew | mirak: what do you mean "you don't forward with ssh -X" ? |
| 18:58.28 | creator-cdsc | !help |
| 18:58.29 | cads | hello. I'd like to upgrade my nm-applet to 0.7, but the website just has the plain sourcecode. Can I build that into a deb package so things remain managed? |
| 18:58.36 | WormFood | also, usually, if you use a switch, it is also usually full duplex |
| 18:58.54 | stew | creator-cdsc: what exactly do you need help with? |
| 18:58.58 | Witch-King | stew, i am using xfce4 |
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| 18:59.04 | kriebz | cads: you might have to go into testing or unstable for that |
| 18:59.21 | Witch-King | mirak, why can't i forward X with ssh? |
| 18:59.28 | cads | I'm in testing but the version here is 0.6.6, and I'm having trouble with it at times |
| 18:59.39 | kriebz | Witch-King: do you want access your desktop when you're in another room? or do you just want to start an X app from another computer? |
| 18:59.45 | cads | looking to see if I can find an upstream build already in deb |
| 18:59.45 | stew | Witch-King: try running "startxfce" |
| 18:59.55 | stew | Witch-King: err "startxfce4" |
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| 19:00.25 | Witch-King | stew, i am not able to do it right now. but it would be simply forwarding X with SSH and then using startxfce4? |
| 19:00.36 | stew | Witch-King: yes |
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| 19:00.48 | mirak | Witch-King: because the desktop items of your remote computer will conflicts with the local ones |
| 19:01.06 | stew | Witch-King: though, you'd best not already be running xfce on your local desktop, i'd think |
| 19:01.09 | kriebz | Witch-King: that will get you xfce4 pannels, etc. running on your main computer but appearing on the one you're sitting at |
| 19:01.28 | mirak | Witch-King: you can do ssh -X bla@ip start-gnome and see by yourself |
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| 19:01.37 | kriebz | it might be better to run XFCE on the computer you're sitting at and just run apps on your main computer |
| 19:01.40 | Witch-King | kriebz, i believe i have done it before, but i have forgotten really |
| 19:01.57 | mirak | Witch-King: look for xdmcp and zephyr and xnest and knx |
| 19:02.01 | WormFood | your window manager you want to run on your local computer |
| 19:02.14 | kriebz | ok, it's hard to tell what exactly you want, and you have a lot of options ;-) |
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| 19:02.58 | kantor | WormFood, so for a switch you do not need a crossover cable because the PC ethernet RX and TX pins are differently placed on a switch ? |
| 19:02.58 | creator-cdsc | i installed debian lenny, there is no wi-fi driver |
| 19:03.35 | WormFood | kantor, a switch is designed to connect to other devices |
| 19:03.36 | Witch-King | um, stew , mirak is this an xfce specific problem? |
| 19:03.40 | _kettle_ | any suggestions on how to create a GPT partition table instead of an msdos partition table? |
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| 19:04.07 | WormFood | so their tx/rx pins are backwards, compared to a network card in a desktop computer...also, most switches can auto-sense, and swap the tx/rx pins |
| 19:04.19 | kriebz | someone answer _kettle_'s question. I'm curious |
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| 19:04.39 | kriebz | _kettle_: maybe check the debian-installer web page? it's pretty complete |
| 19:04.45 | abrotman | nomintes kriebz to answer it |
| 19:04.47 | WormFood | _kettle_, do you have a motherboard (bios) that supports GPT? |
| 19:04.53 | kriebz | I don't know |
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| 19:04.57 | kriebz | ...the answer |
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| 19:05.10 | mirak | Witch-King: NO |
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| 19:05.58 | kantor | WormFood, but I could cut this wire and using a diagram of a crossover RJ45 I could connect the wires differently to make a crossover, no ? |
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| 19:06.02 | _kettle_ | WormFood: good question. why does the bios care what partition table I have? isn't that grub's area? |
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| 19:06.27 | WormFood | it is the bios that cares |
| 19:06.36 | WormFood | how does the bios know what partition to boot from? |
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| 19:06.50 | Witch-King | the mbr :\ |
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| 19:07.25 | creator-cdsc | how do i install the wi-fi driver for lenny? |
| 19:07.38 | WormFood | kantor, you can't cut the wires of your cable, and just swap them around, and tape them together...the ethernet cable is a "balanced pair", and needs to stay as such...you can cut one of the ends off the cable, and crimp on a new end, wired the right way |
| 19:08.04 | dondelelcaro | well, you can actually... |
| 19:08.16 | dondelelcaro | but don't expect it to perform particularly well |
| 19:08.20 | WormFood | I don't know about the MBR in GPT, but I do know the bios cares which partition is bootable |
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| 19:08.32 | stew | WormFood: the mbr is before the partition table on the disk |
| 19:08.47 | WormFood | it is possible, but if you do that, then you no longer have a cat5 cable |
| 19:08.52 | stew | WormFood: the mbr is the forst 440 or so bytes of the disk |
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| 19:09.05 | creator-cdsc | please help me, i need to install the wi-fi driver on lenny, i am not able to find anything on google also |
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| 19:09.23 | dondelelcaro | creator-cdsc: for which wireless card? most of them are already present. |
| 19:09.45 | WormFood | you can only untwist the cat 5 cable so much, before it can no longer be called "cat 5" |
| 19:10.04 | jelly-home | WormFood: AFAIUI the bios doesn't know which partition to boot from. It boots MBR. A MS-DOS compatible MBR code then chainloads the boot code from the partition marked as bootable. |
| 19:10.10 | WormFood | don't expect a cat 1 cable to work :P |
| 19:10.24 | dondelelcaro | WormFood: it could still meet the specs; depends how it's done. And in reality, it often doesn't make much difference |
| 19:10.40 | kantor | WormFood, thanks a lof for your help ! |
| 19:10.43 | kantor | *lot |
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| 19:11.21 | WormFood | you are right jelly-home |
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| 19:11.33 | dondelelcaro | (the real reason to have twisted pairs is to avoid crosstalk, but if the cable is exploded, you won't get crosstalk either.) |
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| 19:11.40 | WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table |
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| 19:27.43 | _kettle_ | aargh: By default Redhat Enterprise Linux / CentOS comes with GPT kernel support. However, if you are using Debian or Ubuntu Linux, you need to recompile the kernel. Set CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION to y to compile this feature. |
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| 19:28.45 | _kettle_ | From: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/fdisk-unable-to-create-partition-greater-2tb.html |
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| 19:28.46 | WormFood | I guess you could write a MBR to recognize GPT, but that defeats part of the reason of using the GPT....I guess that switches over use of the partition table to the bios more than the MBR |
| 19:28.46 | _kettle_ | aargh: By default Redhat Enterprise Linux / CentOS comes with GPT kernel support. However, if you are using Debian or Ubuntu Linux, you need to recompile the kernel. Set CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION to y to compile this feature. |
| 19:28.46 | _kettle_ | From: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/fdisk-unable-to-create-partition-greater-2tb.html |
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| 19:28.47 | Schuenemann | hey, which program can I use besides sound juicer to rip an audio CD? Sound juicer is making confusion between tracks because this CD has a data track |
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| 19:28.47 | Schuenemann | or maybe there's a way to fix that in sound juicer |
| 19:28.47 | WormFood | "An EFI boot manager is also used to select and load the operating system, removing the need for a dedicated boot loader mechanism (the OS boot loader is an EFI application)." |
| 19:28.48 | WormFood | so there you go _kettle_ |
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| 19:28.49 | _kettle_ | WormFood: "In this tutorial, I will provide instructions for booting to a flat 2TB or larger RAID array under Linux using the GRUB boot loader." From http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-boot-2tb-larger-raidarray-harddisk.html |
| 19:28.50 | _kettle_ | so grub should take care of it |
| 19:28.51 | jelly-home | _kettle_: grep EFI_P /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686 ... CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y |
| 19:28.51 | jelly-home | it's there |
| 19:28.51 | _kettle_ | this is all a little surprising, though. I thought multi-TB filesystems under Linux were commonplace, but this all seems a bit... hackish. |
| 19:28.51 | _kettle_ | jelly-home: ah, great. old article, probably |
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| 19:28.52 | jelly-home | people usually don't _boot_ off 2+TB block devices |
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| 19:28.53 | WormFood | _kettle_, is that your goal, and the reason you were asking about GPT? |
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| 19:28.54 | _kettle_ | WormFood: I gues so. I have a server with plenty of space, do I need another drive to boot from? |
| 19:28.54 | _kettle_ | a single drive that can crash and take down my server, when everything else is hotswappable? |
| 19:28.54 | WormFood | http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/GPT_FAQ.mspx (I hate to reference microsoft...) "5. Is EFI required for a GPT disk? --- No. GPT disks are self-identifying. All the information needed to interpret the partitioning scheme of a GPT disk is completely contained in structures in specified locations on the physical media." |
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| 19:28.55 | WormFood | _kettle_, what I've done in the past, is make the boot partition a mirror, and the data a raid |
| 19:28.55 | WormFood | or, OS partition and data, a raid |
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| 19:28.55 | _kettle_ | WormFood: so I need 2 more disks, not just one? ;) I'm running out of space here...:p |
| 19:28.55 | _kettle_ | or lose several TB to a boot partition |
| 19:28.55 | _kettle_ | (several was stretching it, but more than 1 anyway) |
| 19:28.55 | juho3 | my umlauts come out as ä for some reason |
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| 19:28.56 | WormFood | I don't know how you are configuring things, but what I did in the past, is make a boot partition (mirror), then the os partitions (raid) |
| 19:28.56 | juho3 | when i type them on eterm |
| 19:28.56 | WormFood | why several tb for the boot partition? |
| 19:28.56 | WormFood | make the boot partition 100 meg (which is extremely large for a boot partition) |
| 19:28.56 | revertTS | has Squeeze stabilized somewhat since Lenny got marked stable? |
| 19:28.56 | WormFood | and "leftover" space, can be configured as swap |
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| 19:30.31 | WormFood | _kettle_, read that microslop article, as they have more info about GPT and EFI |
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| 19:30.57 | WormFood | of course, ignore the winblows specific parts, and focus on the generic technical aspects of the page |
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| 19:32.04 | WormFood | fuck! it is after 3:30 am here....I need to go to bed....good luck with it _kettle_, and if you can figure out how to boot from a GPT partitioned harddrive, without EFI, please send me a /msg, as I'm rather curious about it |
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| 19:33.22 | _kettle_ | WormFood: ah. I'm using an Areca RAID controller, and set up the RAID there. maybe that was wrong, and I should export the disks RAW and set up a software RAID instead |
| 19:34.12 | WormFood | the raid controller should do everything transparently....if it is a true raid, and not some shit software raid |
| 19:34.12 | _kettle_ | so Linux/bios/etc can just see one volume of 10.5TB. If want to boot from a smaller block device, I need to take one or more drives out of the existing RAID |
| 19:34.28 | WormFood | if your OS requires special software to use the raid, then it is a software raid most likely |
| 19:34.29 | kriebz | _kettle_: either way should work, but software raid is certainly more flexible |
| 19:34.47 | WormFood | but software raid is slower too |
| 19:34.57 | _kettle_ | but hmmmm perhaps I can create a smaller volume first and then a large volume later, both RAID5 spread across all disks |
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| 19:35.00 | kriebz | I thin Areca only makes real raid cards |
| 19:35.09 | WormFood | hardware raid should simply present the computer one logical drive |
| 19:35.24 | _kettle_ | WormFood: yep, that's what I have |
| 19:35.30 | WormFood | ok |
| 19:35.33 | WormFood | good luck with it |
| 19:35.34 | _kettle_ | one logical drive, 10.5TB |
| 19:35.43 | _kettle_ | and that's where the trouble begins ;) |
| 19:36.08 | WormFood | I'm going to bed now....please drop me a line when you get it figured out, as I'm really curious about the solution (using GPT) |
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| 19:37.06 | _kettle_ | WormFood: I'll let you know |
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| 19:38.40 | WormFood | thanks |
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| 19:45.10 | Ace2027_- | bye all |
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| 19:47.14 | RayTracer | _kettle_, what's the issue? you can't partition it? |
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| 19:48.29 | _kettle_ | RayTracer: I can, but with msdos partition table, there is a limit to partition size |
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| 19:48.57 | jamesstanley | Does anybody have any explanation as to why all my files are in the kmem group? |
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| 19:49.12 | jamesstanley | I'm not sure when this first happened, but they always used to be in the james group |
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| 19:49.21 | dkr | jamesstanley: history|grep kmem |
| 19:49.22 | _kettle_ | RayTracer: so I need to change partition table type (on the volume that contains the boot partition), but that isn't plain sailing after installation |
| 19:49.33 | RayTracer | _kettle_, I see |
| 19:49.36 | jamesstanley | dkr: 1085 find / -group kmem |
| 19:49.45 | jamesstanley | I tried to find which files it was, that's the only mention of it |
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| 19:50.08 | jamesstanley | also an op in the channel might like to know that Anikkka is pm-spamming in spanish |
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| 19:50.21 | dkr | jamesstanley: well, you'd need root privs to change *all* files. check root hist? |
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| 19:50.32 | jamesstanley | it's only files owned by the james user |
| 19:50.48 | jamesstanley | by all 'my' files, i meant those owned by my user |
| 19:51.00 | jamesstanley | ah |
| 19:51.06 | jamesstanley | apparently i put myself in the kmem group |
| 19:51.20 | jamesstanley | I'm not sure I recall doing so |
| 19:51.34 | jamesstanley | ah yes i remember now |
| 19:51.44 | dkr | jamesstanley: hrm, but adding yourself to a group doesn't change existing files |
| 19:51.50 | jamesstanley | OK, I did it myself. That's a relief. I was worried I had been rooted :P |
| 19:51.55 | jamesstanley | dkr: it may not have been all of them |
| 19:51.58 | dkr | jamesstanley: ah. ok |
| 19:52.01 | jamesstanley | but it was certainly all of the files i was looking at |
| 19:52.09 | jamesstanley | i did it to allow myself write access to the parallel port |
| 19:52.15 | jamesstanley | and accidentally made it my primary group |
| 19:52.21 | dkr | jamesstanley: well, yeah, that you did it yourself was my suspicion at first, hence suggesting looking at your command history. :) |
| 19:52.29 | jamesstanley | thanks for your help |
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| 19:54.22 | Agiofws | does anyone know how make bash count with the digits infront ? something like 0001 0002 etc ? |
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| 19:55.24 | dkr | Agiofws: seq -w 1 ..10 |
| 19:55.57 | dkr | for i in `seq -w 1 10` I mean. no .., too used to perl. :) |
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| 19:56.49 | lolufail | I hope someone has experience with 7zip, please help me if you do, I've spent hours :(. I want to include something inside an excluded folder (exclude /var/*, but include /var/www), but cannot get it to work. The only thing I ever accomplished was getting the /var/www directory as /www, together with /etc and the rest, which is NOT what I want obviously. halp! |
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| 19:57.15 | dkr | isn't that a windows program? |
| 19:57.24 | peleous | hey guys, im ssh'd into my server and i want to iptables port 8080 to 127.0.0.1 only, can someone help me do this without me locking myself out with a rule? |
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| 19:57.34 | Agiofws | dkr, what if i want to generate something like 001 ? |
| 19:57.39 | zinx | dkr: it's in Debian |
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| 19:57.58 | jpinx | My connection is a bit flaky. Iceweasel's add-on for last.fm sometimes fails to get the next track and I have to restart it, but then the sound doesn't work. Any pointers on trouble-shooting this please? |
| 19:58.03 | dkr | zinx: I learn something every day. :) |
| 19:58.10 | peleous | So basically, leave everything else as if, but just block 8080 to localhost |
| 19:58.26 | valdyn | jpinx: dont use broken plugins |
| 19:58.36 | _kettle_ | Agiofws: seq 1 10 | while read l; do printf "%03i\n" $l; done |
| 19:58.51 | dkr | Agiofws: look slik e-w adds enough 0 to pad to biggets number in the range. so seq -w 1 10 starst with 01, bu seq -w 1 100 starts with 001 |
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| 19:59.20 | valdyn | jpinx: jpinx restarting the browser might not actually kill the broken plugin that blocks the sound |
| 19:59.28 | juho3 | ok, i got my umlauts working by doing export LANG=fi_FI@euro |
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| 19:59.31 | juho3 | how do i set it as default? |
| 19:59.32 | dkr | Agiofws: sorry for the atrocious typing |
| 19:59.45 | Agiofws | dkr, does not matter so thank you |
| 20:00.04 | lolufail | cmon, someone has got to use 7zip :( |
| 20:00.08 | dkr | !locale |
| 20:00.09 | dpkg | well, locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
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| 20:00.18 | valdyn | lolufail: why dont you use tar like everyone else? |
| 20:00.18 | jpinx | valdyn: point taken - to restart I have to kill the existing process by hand |
| 20:00.28 | valdyn | jpinx: probably |
| 20:00.33 | valdyn | jpinx: are you on amd64 btw? |
| 20:00.38 | lolufail | valdyn: bc I have to crypt and split it |
| 20:00.43 | valdyn | jpinx: i know this happens with nspluginwrapper |
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| 20:00.50 | dondelelcaro | lolufail: so? you can do that with tar, trivially |
| 20:00.58 | jpinx | valdyn: no PIII 500MHz i686 |
| 20:01.05 | lolufail | and then I wont be able to read it with windows |
| 20:01.14 | dondelelcaro | you can still do all of that with windows |
| 20:01.20 | lolufail | and 3 programs, if 7zip already supports that :( |
| 20:01.32 | lolufail | and 7z has the highest compression ratio |
| 20:01.36 | valdyn | lolufail: i guess cat *.tar | tar xj is to hard |
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| 20:01.45 | lolufail | 7z > rar > bz2 > gz |
| 20:01.54 | valdyn | damn those pipes |
| 20:01.58 | dondelelcaro | it's not like tar, concatenate, and whatever compression you want don't exist on windows |
| 20:02.08 | tarzeau | lolufail: no no gz is > bz2 |
| 20:02.17 | lolufail | comression ratio. |
| 20:02.19 | tarzeau | bz2 is slow very slow |
| 20:02.27 | dkr | eh? I thought bzip2 had one of the best compression rates when you use the advanced options |
| 20:02.28 | lolufail | so turn everything around for filesize :P |
| 20:02.47 | lolufail | 7z has lowest filesize afaik |
| 20:02.54 | tarzeau | lolufail: yes 7z/lzma is great |
| 20:02.55 | dondelelcaro | depends on what you're compressing |
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| 20:03.02 | tarzeau | ah of course |
| 20:03.11 | lolufail | jesus, why do I always have to explain my reasons??? can't you just help me with 7z? |
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| 20:03.41 | valdyn | lolufail: sorry, im lazy to read the p7zip docs for you |
| 20:03.56 | dkr | lolufail: because we odn't sue it, so were trynig to help you solve the problem with tools we are more familiar with. I've only used 7zip on windows once in a blue moon |
| 20:03.57 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.00 | lolufail | I mean, I thought it through, but everytime someone does something non-standard or non-debian-people-approved, you guys tend to argue about his intentions, not about his problems! wtf. |
| 20:04.17 | valdyn | lolufail: you can stop that |
| 20:04.20 | tarzeau | lolufail: why not just use tar+lzma ? |
| 20:04.25 | dondelelcaro | lolufail: we're always interested in solving the actual problem, not the problem that people think they have |
| 20:04.26 | valdyn | hah |
| 20:04.40 | dondelelcaro | lolufail: there's a reason why we use tar+some other compression algorithm, after all |
| 20:04.59 | lolufail | 7z would be simpler than cat * | gpg -d | tar -x... |
| 20:05.14 | tarzeau | lolufail: no tar+lzma really is simpler and the unix way |
| 20:05.21 | valdyn | except that id have to read the 7z docs =/ |
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| 20:05.34 | tarzeau | than one app trying to do archiving, compressing and encrypting |
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| 20:05.37 | a-s | is there any French here? |
| 20:05.39 | lolufail | with 7z. I could extract single files. |
| 20:05.41 | tarzeau | !fr |
| 20:05.41 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:05.43 | lolufail | I couldnt do that with the chain |
| 20:05.50 | tarzeau | lolufail: sure you could |
| 20:05.56 | tarzeau | lolufail: just not very efficient maybe |
| 20:05.56 | dondelelcaro | lolufail: but it wouldn't be simpler than tar ---lzma xf foo.tar.lzma foo; |
| 20:05.57 | lolufail | hmm |
| 20:05.59 | juho3 | ok so i changed default locale to fi_FI@euro |
| 20:06.05 | valdyn | lolufail: have you tried to reorder the include / exclude patterns? |
| 20:06.13 | lolufail | dondelelcaro: as I said, I ahve to gpg it |
| 20:06.27 | dondelelcaro | lolufail: so then gpg the compressed archive |
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| 20:06.32 | juho3 | but when i start up a terminal $LANG is set to en_US.UTF-8 |
| 20:06.36 | lolufail | valdyn: I tried every permutation I could think of ;) |
| 20:06.43 | juho3 | i want it to be fi_FI@euro as default |
| 20:06.45 | glenrock | is sid comparable to fedora in terms of stability, or is it more like an alpha? |
| 20:06.50 | stew | heh, "your way isn't is simple as mine (which i've been working on for hours without figuring out) |
| 20:06.57 | tarzeau | !sid |
| 20:06.57 | dpkg | i heard sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
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| 20:07.05 | lolufail | dondelelcaro: how exactly can I open it in windows to extract a single file, then -.- |
| 20:07.06 | ranix | stew: zing |
| 20:07.08 | tarzeau | glenrock: the sid faq is really good |
| 20:07.10 | dondelelcaro | glenrock: depends on what you're doing; comparing sid to other distributions is kind of pointless |
| 20:07.28 | dondelelcaro | lolufail: you un-encrypt it, then use 7zip to extract it. It supports tar, after all... |
| 20:07.45 | glenrock | dondelelcaro: ya, i debated whether or not to ask the question ;) |
| 20:07.48 | glenrock | thanks tarzeau |
| 20:07.51 | lolufail | that was the point. on the fly, not decrypting beforehand. |
| 20:07.51 | valdyn | glenrock: sid is not "maintained" |
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| 20:08.01 | valdyn | glenrock: thats why its not like any distro |
| 20:08.08 | valdyn | glenrock: sid is always moving |
| 20:08.12 | glenrock | the whole concept is confusing to me |
| 20:08.13 | glenrock | lol |
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| 20:08.29 | ranix | glenrock: you can have an entire system on sid, but it's not generally recommended |
| 20:08.43 | valdyn | glenrock: while fedora probably gets bug fixes and support |
| 20:08.43 | glenrock | i see, so you can pick and choose packages to install from the sid repos |
| 20:08.49 | ranix | glenrock: the average advanced user will not need the bleeding edge of software evangelism |
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| 20:08.56 | dondelelcaro | glenrock: you could, but generally you'd just track sid. |
| 20:09.00 | ranix | glenrock: on every single piece of software he uses |
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| 20:09.08 | dondelelcaro | glenrock: most people who are just getting started are better off using stable or testing |
| 20:09.29 | ranix | stable is pretty good right now, I will upgrade to testing if I need something in testing, for example |
| 20:09.31 | revertTS | testing combined with sid is also a good idea |
| 20:09.32 | dondelelcaro | (though you shouldn't use testing in an environment where security is important, after all) |
| 20:09.48 | dondelelcaro | revertTS: generally not, actually |
| 20:09.53 | glenrock | for example, i installed testing and found that the version of networkmanager was older than the version i like to use. i could pull just networkmanager (and dependencies) from the sid repos? |
| 20:10.17 | valdyn | glenrock: you could, but that is creating a totally unsupportable mix of packages |
| 20:10.19 | dondelelcaro | glenrock: or you could wait for it to propogate |
| 20:10.24 | glenrock | i see |
| 20:10.25 | revertTS | dondelelcaro: it is when you need to pull in security updates |
| 20:10.26 | valdyn | glenrock: which means you get to fix things for yourself completely |
| 20:11.02 | valdyn | glenrock: its not particularily buggy though, just not supportable |
| 20:11.38 | valdyn | glenrock: = we cant reproduce without cloning your unique mix |
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| 20:13.03 | ranix | glenrock: usally if you need the bleeding edge you run Testing, and only run unstable of packages you are intimate with. Like, I would use some unstable libraries like cairo and pango |
| 20:13.04 | glenrock | valdyn: i see. in debian world, does sid take the place of alpha releases? |
| 20:13.16 | glenrock | ranix: that makes sense, thanks |
| 20:13.16 | valdyn | glenrock: no, thats testing |
| 20:13.22 | glenrock | ahh, ok |
| 20:13.42 | valdyn | glenrock: alpha = software where features are not complete |
| 20:13.45 | glenrock | i think i'll stop asking more questions until i read the faq now ;) |
| 20:13.47 | valdyn | glenrock: thats very very vague |
| 20:14.19 | valdyn | glenrock: alpha software usually crashes , debian doesnt, ever ;) |
| 20:14.32 | ranix | well, sid could feasably crash |
| 20:14.39 | ranix | not frequently |
| 20:15.29 | ranix | more likely it would have some sort of critical error, like that intel e1000 bug that drops all ongoing network connections when switching to gigabit mode |
| 20:15.33 | dondelelcaro | the problems with sid usually are more nuanced than crashing, like delting everything on your system |
| 20:15.42 | valdyn | hehe |
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| 20:16.02 | stew | and sid changes every 6 hours, so if its fine now, it might not be later today |
| 20:17.51 | ma3x | stew: do you use sid? |
| 20:18.28 | ranix | I doubt it |
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| 20:18.58 | stew | ma3x: yes on one machine, but i generally only update on friday so if something breaks I should be able to work on monday |
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| 20:23.38 | superjoe | hey how come iceweasel is still iceweasel and not icecat |
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| 20:24.29 | abrotman | superjoe: they're not the same project |
| 20:24.48 | superjoe | wikipedia is lying to me? :-( |
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| 20:25.58 | superjoe | ah, debian versus gnu |
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| 20:26.15 | superjoe | why aren't the united? |
| 20:26.17 | superjoe | *they |
| 20:28.43 | Schuenemann | sorry for the noob question, but how can I redirect output to a file? This did not work: WINEPREFIX=~/.wine-silent wine A10SIM.EXE > ~/Desktop/saida |
| 20:28.58 | Schuenemann | it outputted to stdout and created an empty file |
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| 20:29.47 | valdyn | Schuenemann: it worked, but did not redirect stderr |
| 20:30.18 | Schuenemann | hmmm... what is the syntax for stderr? |
| 20:30.27 | valdyn | Schuenemann: command 2>&1 > file |
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| 20:30.48 | valdyn | Schuenemann: stderr is 2, stdout is 1 |
| 20:30.49 | dondelelcaro | command > file 2>&1 |
| 20:30.53 | Tramp | &> |
| 20:30.54 | ravenbird | well, > is redirection of stdout to a file. |
| 20:30.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i wonder. why does unstable suggest to remove important packages when i try safe-upgrade |
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| 20:31.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cant update like this |
| 20:31.02 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :( |
| 20:31.09 | dondelelcaro | sh4d3sl4y3r_: because it's unstable |
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| 20:31.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmmm |
| 20:31.30 | Schuenemann | uh... you all suggested different ways |
| 20:31.39 | Tramp | Schuenemann: man bash, Redirection. &> redirects both |
| 20:31.44 | dondelelcaro | there are a few ways of doing it |
| 20:31.47 | valdyn | Schuenemann: not really |
| 20:31.48 | stew | safe-upgrade wouldn't remove packages unless they were being automatically removed |
| 20:31.57 | Tramp | Schuenemann: what valdyn said was wrong order. |
| 20:32.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | no. its not removing. but just suggesting |
| 20:32.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i have around 374 MB of pending updates. but if i do. it wil remove important packages |
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| 20:33.17 | Schuenemann | Tramp, how does it know if it's an error? The return from program's main() ? |
| 20:33.21 | Tramp | Schuenemann: and "> file 2>&1" is the "long form" of "&>file" which works in e.g sh too. But in bash you can use >& |
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| 20:33.44 | _kettle_ | In case anyone is curious: I used the Ubuntu installer and played around with LVM volumes, that created a GPT partition table for me. Perhaps the Debian install CD does the same. Anyway, I later reinstalled Debian, using guided partitioning, and it kept the GPT partition table. Now I have an XFS partition with 9.5TB free space :) |
| 20:34.05 | Schuenemann | Tramp, you're redirecting twice? from stderr to stdout and then to file? |
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| 20:34.26 | claytronic | _kettle_: how's XFS working out for you? |
| 20:34.42 | Tramp | Schuenemann: http://bash-hackers.org/wiki/doku.php/syntax/redirection and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/TheBasics/InputAndOutput#Redirection ## Illustrated tutorial: http://bash-hackers.org/wiki/doku.php/howto/redirection_tutorial <--- you may want to check those. |
| 20:34.52 | Schuenemann | ok, thanks |
| 20:35.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | << loves XFS |
| 20:35.11 | _kettle_ | claytronic: well, I have a brand new partition on a brand new RAID, that's all I know so far. And xfs_growfs can grow the file system live, which I will need |
| 20:35.14 | claytronic | _kettle_: I'm debating between JFS and XFS for our next big Debian NAS box |
| 20:35.44 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i never used JFS. don't know the differences.. but XFS gave me a performance boost over ext anytime |
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| 20:36.09 | valdyn | _kettle_: you cant grow partitions live though |
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| 20:38.23 | _kettle_ | claytronic: I read a bit about jfs too, and this (slightly outdated?) article helped me decide on XFS: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
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| 20:38.44 | _kettle_ | claytronic: plus, Openfiler distro supports XFS but not JFS during install, and though I don't know why, I thought that indicates wider support for XFS |
| 20:39.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | XFS was highly used during the IRIX era |
| 20:39.39 | _kettle_ | valud: hmm, good point. Well, anyway, I'll probably need to stop something to insert the new disks and add them to the RAID |
| 20:39.56 | _kettle_ | valud??? valdyn... sorry |
| 20:40.15 | valdyn | _kettle_: you want to use lvm |
| 20:40.31 | _kettle_ | valdyn: yes, maybe... I just don't know enough about it. |
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| 20:40.37 | valdyn | _kettle_: and you can probably hotplug any disk |
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| 20:41.01 | Pnux | hey, im trying to make Debian instalable in a usb pendrive, i found a tutorial on how to do this and it says i have to download and $ zcat it in the /dev/sdx (b in my case). I did this but when i copy the .iso file, it stops and says theres not enough disk space. I checked and it has 330 Mbs free, but its actually a 4Gb pendrive |
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| 20:41.04 | claytronic | _kettle_: funny... you mention Openfiler. I've tried it twice as NAS but found debian easier. :) |
| 20:41.09 | foetus | what is the debian way to execute a shutdown script? |
| 20:41.11 | _kettle_ | valdyn: volume groups, volumes, it all gets me a little confused. apparently, partition tables and partitions is difficult enough :) |
| 20:41.17 | valdyn | _kettle_: oh you dont need to use a partition table at all |
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| 20:41.36 | _kettle_ | claytronic: i've just landed on debian myself, after screwing around with openfiler a bit :) |
| 20:41.39 | valdyn | _kettle_: i mean if your single partitions spans the whole raid, then dont use a partition, then growing should work iirc |
| 20:41.44 | sepult | Pnux: that's right, the image formats it according to it's previous environment |
| 20:41.53 | sepult | Pnux: you have to use a smaller image |
| 20:41.59 | sepult | Pnux: you have to use a smaller iso image |
| 20:42.06 | sepult | Pnux: get the netinst one |
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| 20:42.36 | Pnux | sepult: i need to install the 700Mb because it wont let me install netinst because of the network |
| 20:42.40 | _kettle_ | valdyn: with lvm, I can add more volumes (a new raid?) to a volume group(?) live, and later grow the filesystem in that VG? did that make sense? |
| 20:42.59 | Pnux | aparently it doesnt detect the connection |
| 20:43.00 | sepult | Pnux: you can do it another way though, it's on debian's site explained, use the "relaxed method" |
| 20:43.02 | valdyn | _kettle_: yea |
| 20:43.11 | _kettle_ | whoa, 266MB/sec write, that doesn't suck :) |
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| 20:43.39 | Pnux | sepult: do you happen to know where to find that page? |
| 20:43.44 | sepult | Pnux: the netinst-image should be around 150MB |
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| 20:43.47 | valdyn | _kettle_: you can do something like having a volume group with /dev/md0 and later add another raid /dev/md1 and migrate all data to md1 and remove and delete md0 |
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| 20:43.57 | claytronic | just too bad grub chokes on XFS |
| 20:44.00 | valdyn | _kettle_: everything live |
| 20:44.05 | sepult | Pnux: just where you get the usb images on debian's site |
| 20:44.16 | sepult | Pnux: it's totally explained |
| 20:44.18 | foetus | whats wrong with the debian support channel? |
| 20:44.41 | _kettle_ | valdyn: hehe, sounds nice. I want that! ;) but how solid is it? |
| 20:44.55 | claytronic | _kettle_: running JFS on by primary laptop partitions with noatime has increase IO responsiveness |
| 20:44.56 | valdyn | _kettle_: rock solid |
| 20:45.38 | valdyn | _kettle_: you already give up write barriers by using raid, so lvm removes nothing from your safety |
| 20:45.44 | Pnux | sepult: but i cant install the netinst, i gotta install the 700mb image, isnt there a way to do this? |
| 20:46.07 | sepult | Pnux: there is, i did it once |
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| 20:46.46 | sepult | Pnux: like i told you it's on www.debian.org |
| 20:46.46 | valdyn | hmm, this is weird, i dont see my ext4 dropping barriers, did something change? |
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| 20:47.09 | Pnux | sepult: i have like 8 pages of debian opened and cant find it |
| 20:47.33 | valdyn | or no write happened, nevermind |
| 20:47.41 | sepult | Pnux: exactly here http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
| 20:47.48 | valdyn | !write barriers |
| 20:48.17 | sepult | Pnux: look at that link " installation manual for your architecture" |
| 20:48.26 | _kettle_ | valdyn: write barriers? |
| 20:48.32 | sepult | Pnux: have a look there |
| 20:48.43 | Pnux | sepult: i am, already was |
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| 20:49.21 | valdyn | _kettle_: when you write to disk, theres a disk cache the makes the system believe that the data is on the disk, but it really is only on the on disk cache |
| 20:49.27 | sepult | Pnux: 4.3.2. Copying the files — the flexible way |
| 20:49.48 | valdyn | _kettle_: write barriers fixes that somehow ( im looking for a proper definition though ) |
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| 20:50.09 | bolt | if I run dpkg --get-selections on one machine and dpkg --set-selections on another, feeding it the output from the first machine, will that "mirror" the installed packages once I update and install the selections? will packages that are were previously installed but are not on the source machine be uninstalled from the target? is there a nicer way of doing this? |
| 20:50.12 | _kettle_ | ah, that stuff. yes. I can select write through rather than write back in the raid setup. Right now it's on "auto" |
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| 20:50.36 | foetus | again -- how can i execute a few bash lines in a kinda shutdown script..in a professional way |
| 20:50.37 | _kettle_ | but perhaps it still doesn't mean data is on the platter when fsync() returns |
| 20:50.51 | valdyn | _kettle_: it doesnt, unless you use write barriers |
| 20:51.07 | valdyn | _kettle_: now if you use linux software raid or lvm or dmraid, then you cannot use write barriers |
| 20:51.27 | Pnux | sepult: alrite, ill try that way, thanks a low |
| 20:51.30 | Pnux | *lot |
| 20:51.45 | sepult | Pnux: your'e welcome |
| 20:52.28 | valdyn | _kettle_: you could just switch off write cache, but I wouldnt want to take the performance hit |
| 20:53.29 | sepult | Pnux: you can zcat the boot image to a directory if you want and copy the resulting files to the formatted usb stick afterwards then copy the iso image too |
| 20:54.25 | _kettle_ | valdyn: thanks for all the info! |
| 20:54.25 | Pnux | sepult: thats a good idea, ill try that first, thanks |
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| 20:54.43 | sepult | Pnux: or just do it twice, first zcat > /dev/usb then mount it then copy the files to disk then umount it then format the disk like that page tells you then move the files on disk together with the iso image to the usb |
| 20:54.59 | sepult | onto the usb |
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| 20:56.55 | sepult | Pnux: either that or you have to know how to resize a boot image... |
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| 21:00.09 | bolt | will doing "dpkg --get-selections > foo" on machine a, and then "dpkg --set-selections < foo" on machine b cause packages that previously existed on machine b to be uninstalled when I run "apt-get dselect-upgrade"? |
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| 21:01.37 | stu8ball | Wikipedia: "Nowadays several Linux programs such as MPlayer, and libraries such as GGI, SDL, GTK+ and Qt Extended can use the framebuffer immediately, avoiding the overhead of an X server." |
| 21:01.44 | |ahmina| | Is there a way to list installed packages in order of most space taken up by package contents? |
| 21:01.52 | stu8ball | When I read that, I was reminded of the graphical Debian installer using Gtk. |
| 21:02.02 | stu8ball | Does the installer do Gtk directly to the fb ? |
| 21:02.17 | stu8ball | Because I'd like to add that to that Wikipedia paragraph as a use case. |
| 21:02.59 | FoxBlitzz | stu8ball: Really? That has always been, like, one of my biggest complaints about Linux. |
| 21:03.20 | stu8ball | What? Framebuffer or X11 ? |
| 21:03.27 | FoxBlitzz | No direct screen access |
| 21:03.32 | stu8ball | X11 I hope. As a Plan 9 user I quite hate X11 |
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| 21:03.41 | stu8ball | FoxBlitzz: oh |
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| 21:04.36 | ememtoitptnbr | what's wrong with X11 |
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| 21:04.57 | ememtoitptnbr | works fine for me |
| 21:05.00 | stu8ball | It's quite complicated ememtoitptnbr , and heavily criticised since always. |
| 21:05.07 | ememtoitptnbr | oh well |
| 21:05.11 | ememtoitptnbr | if people criticize it, it must suck |
| 21:05.14 | ememtoitptnbr | like capitalism |
| 21:05.15 | stu8ball | Yes, it works for me here too, but only because the distro packager set it up like that in advance |
| 21:05.24 | ememtoitptnbr | it's not actually complicated |
| 21:05.26 | ememtoitptnbr | did you know that? |
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| 21:05.30 | maligor | correct, capitalism does suck |
| 21:05.37 | ememtoitptnbr | capitalism is great, actually |
| 21:05.41 | stu8ball | It's extremely complicated, it's like an OS itself, on top of an OS. |
| 21:05.47 | maligor | no, capitalism is pretty abysmal |
| 21:05.50 | stu8ball | You're wrong abotu capitalism too ememtoitptnbr |
| 21:05.55 | ememtoitptnbr | ok well forget the capitalism thing for a minute |
| 21:06.02 | ememtoitptnbr | X11's complexity arises immediately out of its need |
| 21:06.05 | stu8ball | capitalism is quite painful for 99% of the people |
| 21:06.09 | ememtoitptnbr | that's why nobody has replaced it with something better |
| 21:06.10 | maligor | but shouldn't talk about that here anyway |
| 21:06.11 | stu8ball | But OK, end of discussion about capitalism :P |
| 21:06.32 | stu8ball | X11's complexity arises out of being designed in a hurry. |
| 21:06.41 | ememtoitptnbr | if you try compiz, gnome or kde and think that X11 sucks |
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| 21:06.45 | ememtoitptnbr | or you run into some obscure driver issue |
| 21:06.49 | ememtoitptnbr | well that's just not X11's problem |
| 21:06.50 | stu8ball | MIT people: "We need a transparent window system, let's make one" |
| 21:07.01 | stu8ball | Plan 9 people: "We need a transparent OS, let's make one" |
| 21:07.01 | maligor | stu8ball, as opposed to what? |
| 21:07.05 | ememtoitptnbr | try xmonad, dwm, wmii, ratpoison, fluxbox, awesome, e17 |
| 21:07.11 | stu8ball | s/transparent/network-transparent/ |
| 21:07.13 | ememtoitptnbr | those show you the beauty of X11 |
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| 21:07.27 | claytronic | no, those are the database connection values |
| 21:07.30 | stu8ball | They're nice, but they're still built on top of X11 |
| 21:07.40 | claytronic | errr. wrong irc :) |
| 21:07.41 | ememtoitptnbr | you've yet to level a specific criticism at it |
| 21:07.58 | ememtoitptnbr | it does precisely what it's intended to do - and quite well |
| 21:08.15 | ememtoitptnbr | my problems with it almost always arise out of poor driver design |
| 21:08.22 | ememtoitptnbr | or possibly missing fonts |
| 21:08.28 | stu8ball | It does do what it was intended to do, and only that. |
| 21:08.29 | ememtoitptnbr | or insanely stupid configuration |
| 21:09.14 | maligor | stu8ball, actually X was designed and intended extensible |
| 21:09.17 | ememtoitptnbr | it runs quite well on here right now - i can pipe it through SSH, i have 10 desktops, never freezes |
| 21:09.25 | ememtoitptnbr | the taskbar isn't mandatory like in windows |
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| 21:10.08 | stu8ball | It's not extendible like a network-transparent filesystem and a VFS supporting namespaces and binds/unions is extendible, maligor |
| 21:11.12 | ememtoitptnbr | what the hell does that even mean |
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| 21:11.32 | ememtoitptnbr | it's not extensible like i can draw on a city bus? |
| 21:11.58 | ememtoitptnbr | i used to hate on xorg too - back when i was 12 |
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| 21:12.23 | marctw | how do i add a user such that they will only have access to a given directory and all subdirectories & files underneath that directory? |
| 21:12.27 | ememtoitptnbr | like most near-universal *nix tools, it's there because it serves a discrete purpose and serves it well |
| 21:12.40 | valdyn | marctw: so a user that cant actually do anything? |
| 21:12.45 | stu8ball | Well, I mean that if everything in Plan 9 is a file(system), then it's automatically possible to do scalable things with them, like share them on a network, use them in a namespace, redirect their I/O, all without the programs having to include any network-aware (for example) code. |
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| 21:13.08 | ememtoitptnbr | that is a nice part of plan9 stu8ball |
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| 21:14.36 | valdyn | stu8ball: so X wouldnt have to use sockets but a file instead, what would that help? |
| 21:14.48 | marvil07 | does a vim rfc reader plugin exists? |
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| 21:14.55 | stu8ball | yeah valdyn |
| 21:14.56 | ememtoitptnbr | this conversation just exhausts me |
| 21:15.07 | marvil07 | (do not show page changes) |
| 21:15.20 | ememtoitptnbr | nowadays most conversations have that effect on me |
| 21:15.36 | stu8ball | Me too, since I only planned to ask if the graphical installer uses fbdev, but one thing leads to another |
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| 21:16.01 | maligor | stu8ball, you could just dissect the installer :P |
| 21:16.20 | stu8ball | May as well. It's hardly high-priority anyway. |
| 21:16.30 | stu8ball | Just a bit of curiousity |
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| 21:17.56 | stew | stu8ball: yes, it uses framebuffer |
| 21:18.12 | stu8ball | alright, thanks |
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| 21:18.39 | stu8ball | I may as well add that as an example on the Wikipedia page now so, since it's lacking. |
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| 21:26.38 | dreamer | hi all, I'm trying to get bind setup on a lan and trying to follow http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-bind.html however I'm unable to find the command bindconfig |
| 21:27.59 | valdyn | dreamer: This program doesn't exist in bind versions 8.2.1 and higher.# |
| 21:28.39 | dreamer | ah, ok, so this guide is depricated |
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| 21:28.53 | abrotman | antiquated :) |
| 21:28.55 | dreamer | hehe |
| 21:29.02 | dreamer | can anyone give some tips on how to run bind on a lan perhaps? |
| 21:29.03 | valdyn | dreamer: not really |
| 21:29.18 | abrotman | dreamer: the bind9-doc has the BIND ARM in it .. it has tons of docs |
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| 21:29.19 | dreamer | I also found this guide: http://www.cahilig.org/how-setup-a-lan-dns-server-using-bind9-under-debian-and-ubuntu-linux but it confuses me some |
| 21:29.23 | valdyn | dreamer: i mean, i quoted that guide, so its not outdated |
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| 21:29.39 | valdyn | dreamer: maybe you just want to use dnsmasq |
| 21:29.51 | abrotman | etch was the last one with bind8 |
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| 21:30.10 | valdyn | dreamer: you can do bind well without some knowledge on how dns really works. dnsmasq needs that much less |
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| 21:30.19 | valdyn | s/can/cannot/ |
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| 21:31.09 | dreamer | ok hehe |
| 21:31.33 | dreamer | well, I have a server on the lan and I want to be able to approach other computers on the lan with a hostname .. that's it |
| 21:31.35 | abrotman | though bind defaults to a caching dns server IIRC |
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| 21:31.50 | epifanio | hi All, i'm using unetbootin to install debian on an external drive (on my desktop i have vista and ubuntu) when the installer ask me to install the grub on the master boot record i need to install it ? |
| 21:31.52 | abrotman | dreamer: is it a windows machine? |
| 21:31.58 | dreamer | abrotman: what is? |
| 21:32.04 | abrotman | dreamer: any of them |
| 21:32.12 | valdyn | dreamer: dnsmasq will use a dns server of your choice for internet and just read /etc/hosts for your local net |
| 21:32.16 | dreamer | there are linux, osx and windows-machines on the lan |
| 21:32.28 | abrotman | dreamer: considered using netbios lookups? |
| 21:32.28 | valdyn | dreamer: and /etc/hosts is significantly easier to setup than bind |
| 21:33.18 | dreamer | abrotman: I haven't really considered doing anything .. I decided to use bind since it seems to be the 'standard' and has lots of documentation |
| 21:33.22 | dreamer | valdyn: ok |
| 21:33.48 | abrotman | dreamer: i only mentioned it because it might be construed as 'easier' |
| 21:34.13 | dreamer | ok |
| 21:34.33 | bolt | will doing "dpkg --get-selections > foo" on machine a, and then "dpkg --set-selections < foo" on machine b cause packages that previously existed on machine b to be uninstalled when I run "apt-get dselect-upgrade"? |
| 21:34.44 | valdyn | abrotman: netbios is queried by default? |
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| 21:35.02 | abrotman | valdyn: no, but it's not hard to setup |
| 21:35.07 | dreamer | valdyn: I'm not sure what DNS forwarding has to do with my goal though, I see that's what dnsmasq does |
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| 21:35.22 | valdyn | dreamer: your systems only use one dns server at a time |
| 21:35.33 | dreamer | ah, ok |
| 21:35.35 | valdyn | dreamer: so that server has to know about all hosts. local net hosts and internet |
| 21:35.38 | abrotman | valdyn: AFAIK OSX does it by default .. and debian needs the nmb package and an alteration to the nsswitch.conf |
| 21:36.06 | valdyn | dreamer: dnsmasq forwards every query about anything not in /etc/hosts |
| 21:36.15 | valdyn | dreamer: bind can forward or not, thats up to your configuration |
| 21:36.22 | dreamer | ok |
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| 21:39.28 | valdyn | samba: /usr/sbin/nmbd |
| 21:41.37 | dreamer | hmm, I just figured out that on my linux-boxes I can approach them with their configured /etc/hostname with .local added .. I didn't know that .. |
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| 21:42.19 | supertanker_ | Hi. Isi t really necessary to have a /proc in a chroot jail for SSHing users? I tried not putting one in but it didn't like it much.... |
| 21:42.23 | dreamer | I was actually 99% going to use it for the linux-machines so I'm not sure I need a full DNS solution for this then |
| 21:42.57 | abrotman | dreamer: really, the netbios thing is pretty easy |
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| 21:43.35 | dreamer | can you explain? or have a link with a guide? |
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| 21:45.30 | abrotman | dreamer: IIRC, you install the winbind package (might pull in the samba stuff, can't recall) and you alter the /etc/nsswitch.conf file to have a line like "hosts: files dns wins" |
| 21:45.57 | abrotman | i believe that's how .. don't quote me on that .. if you want to know more, i'll double check |
| 21:46.15 | dreamer | I already run a samba share on that machine |
| 21:46.47 | abrotman | it's only one linux box? |
| 21:46.57 | dreamer | on the lan? |
| 21:47.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:47.07 | dreamer | no there is at least 1 more |
| 21:47.18 | dreamer | rest is OSX and XP/Vista |
| 21:47.21 | abrotman | so .. two? :) |
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| 21:47.35 | dreamer | I don't need to approach the XP and Vista machines though |
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| 21:48.06 | dreamer | oh wait, a board member has a linux laptop as well .. and I bring mine some times .. |
| 21:48.20 | dreamer | so there are like ~5 machines on the netwerk regularly |
| 21:48.34 | abrotman | well, something to try anyways |
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| 21:48.59 | supertanker_ | Uh, stupid question |
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| 21:49.01 | supertanker_ | Where is killall? |
| 21:49.03 | dreamer | the netbios-thingy? |
| 21:49.07 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:49.19 | abrotman | supertanker_: you mean, which package or where on the filesystem? |
| 21:49.23 | dreamer | supertanker_: /usr/bin/killall |
| 21:49.35 | supertanker_ | dreamer, weird, it's not showing up on my new debian server |
| 21:49.40 | foetus | whats the name of the standard shutdown script under debian (like rc.local for the starting procedure)? |
| 21:49.40 | supertanker_ | What package provides it? |
| 21:49.48 | abrotman | !tell supertanker_ about apt-file |
| 21:49.54 | dreamer | supertanker_: do '$ which killall' |
| 21:50.13 | abrotman | it's in psmisc |
| 21:50.18 | supertanker_ | Thanks |
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| 21:50.35 | Forai | oy guys, I'm having a biig issue, Long story short I need to install a debian server... problem is the NIC card isn't supported (82566DM 2 gig) |
| 21:50.46 | abrotman | using which installer? |
| 21:51.04 | Forai | either the net-install or full install with DVD yells |
| 21:51.12 | abrotman | lenny? etch? |
| 21:51.13 | Forai | I did a full install with DVD ignoring the "network setup" step |
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| 21:51.17 | supertanker_ | Thanks loads, abrotman and dreamer |
| 21:51.23 | Forai | let's see |
| 21:51.47 | Forai | I want to say lenny, but offhand i can't say, it's on a computer away from me right now |
| 21:51.51 | dreamer | abrotman: my /etc/nsswitch.conf currently has hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
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| 21:52.30 | foetus | i need the shutdown conterpart of rc.local.. |
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| 21:53.12 | epifanio | ok works installig it in the mbr |
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| 21:54.35 | plathrop | I have a bit of a problem and I can't seem to find anything on Google... |
| 21:54.47 | plathrop | I need to install lighttpd on a server that already has apache on it. |
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| 21:55.04 | plathrop | But the package won't install because the default config of lighttpd runs on port 80 |
| 21:55.17 | plathrop | So the daemon can't start and apt-get/aptitude call that a failed install |
| 21:55.29 | plathrop | Is there a way to work around this? |
| 21:55.45 | abrotman | dreamer: uhm .. okay, you could still alter it i guess |
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| 21:56.12 | valdyn | plathrop: you could stop apache |
| 21:56.15 | adb | plathrop: stop apache /uninstall it |
| 21:56.16 | foetus | abrotman: hello, i need your help. i need the conterpart of /etc/rc.local for the shutdown procedure to put a few bash lines in. |
| 21:56.29 | plathrop | valdyn: Thanks, but I need them both |
| 21:56.30 | valdyn | plathrop: and file a bug report |
| 21:56.36 | valdyn | plathrop: so? |
| 21:56.45 | valdyn | plathrop: you only need to stop it to get the install done |
| 21:56.47 | abrotman | foetus: just make your own |
| 21:56.51 | plathrop | valdyn: Ah, I see. Stop it, install lighttpd and start it. gotcha |
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| 21:57.13 | plathrop | valdyn: Unfortunately there is already a bug report, tagged "wontfix" |
| 21:57.14 | valdyn | plathrop: well, stop lighttpd before you start apache again |
| 21:57.20 | plathrop | valdyn: right |
| 21:57.32 | plathrop | valdyn: Frustrating, but should work. Thanks a lot. |
| 21:57.43 | valdyn | plathrop: whats the point of having 2 webservers anyway? |
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| 21:57.46 | foetus | abrotman: and where ? which name and place? |
| 21:58.02 | abrotman | foetus: read /etc/init.d/skeleton .. and use update-rc.d |
| 21:58.26 | valdyn | plathrop: the other way round it works fine btw, if lighttpd is installed first |
| 21:58.44 | foetus | abrotman: ok, i will take a look. |
| 21:58.57 | dreamer | abrotman: I can't find any documentation on how to operate this winbind |
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| 21:59.11 | valdyn | winbind? |
| 21:59.19 | valdyn | !info winbind |
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| 21:59.29 | dreamer | ah, there is a man winbindd |
| 21:59.49 | dpkg | winbind: (Samba nameservice integration server), section net, is optional. Version: 2:3.3.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 3396 kB, Installed size: 9944 kB |
| 22:00.29 | valdyn | now thats one huge package just for names |
| 22:00.33 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:00.47 | dreamer | valdyn: it has to do things windoze style eh ;) |
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| 22:05.18 | ericP | i just upgraded from 2.6.26 to 2.6.29 and my box hangs at "usb ... configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice" |
| 22:05.40 | ericP | i figure, given one choice, it's not still weighing it's usb options |
| 22:06.04 | abrotman | do you have USB devices? |
| 22:06.19 | ericP | aha, apparently i don't have and disks |
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| 22:07.02 | ericP | couldn't find root device -- after long timeout (longer than mine to come and pester y'all) it dropped me into some initramfs prompt |
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| 22:07.27 | ericP | 2.6.26 still finds the boot device, so i guess something changed in device addressing |
| 22:07.46 | marvil07 | found qrfcviewer |
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| 22:09.28 | ericP | no fdisk in this little initramfs shell. any pointers for figuring out device names? (cat /proc/devices showed no block devices named sd or hd) |
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| 22:10.21 | ericP | i guess i should pester the #linux folks with these sorts of questions |
| 22:10.23 | dronar | Hi! I had some troubles installing ffmepg with mp3, and i thought I should start over. |
| 22:10.59 | dronar | However: now apt tells me i can't remove a packet since ffshow depends on it, but ffmpeg is already removed from the server |
| 22:11.07 | dronar | ffmpeg* |
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| 22:11.51 | Sepho | hi, all |
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| 22:12.07 | bolt | will doing "dpkg --get-selections > foo" on machine a, and then "dpkg --set-selections < foo" on machine b cause packages that previously existed on machine b to be uninstalled when I run "apt-get dselect-upgrade"? |
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| 22:14.03 | adb | bolt: stop it |
| 22:14.22 | bolt | adb: what? |
| 22:14.31 | Schuenemann | another noob question: how do I separate 2 variables setup? A=x B=y command ? |
| 22:14.49 | adb | paste same things |
| 22:15.20 | adb | n x times |
| 22:15.25 | unop | Schuenemann, that depends on the shell, i would think. that's ok with bash tho... |
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| 22:15.25 | bolt | adb: i think i'm doing it with a reasonable delay. i even tried to reformulate my question, but i'm not sure how to improve upon it at this point. |
| 22:16.21 | bolt | adb: i am also googling for an answer at the same time, and have been for quite some time, but the only thing i've found is more people with the same question |
| 22:16.29 | abrotman | !tell bolt about debian clone |
| 22:16.33 | abrotman | !tell bolt about aptitude clone |
| 22:16.42 | bolt | adb: since people are constantly joining and leaving here, repeating the question with a reasonable delay seems only logical |
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| 22:19.36 | Schuenemann | unop, is this correct? WINEPREFIX=~/.wine-silent wine notepad ; WINEDEBUG=+relay+seh,+tid WINEPREFIX=~/.wine-silent wine A10SIM.EXE |
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| 22:20.31 | unop | Schuenemann, looks good to me .. not sure about the wine options tho. |
| 22:20.39 | Schuenemann | k, thx |
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| 22:23.57 | godlygeek | anyone here running sid? udev seems to be acting up for me after a recent upgrade; rules using ATTR or ATTRS seem not to be behaving properly... |
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| 22:29.41 | vizzy | hi, it seems my scsi tape device is not recognized by udev. if i look at /etc/udev/persistent.rules it should be linked to /dev/tape/tape-by-id... or so, but instead nothing exists there, dev/tape is a unknown directory. last bt no tleast, if i add a symlink to /dev/tapeX in this file after the commands for sg* regarding the tapes, its symlinkes to e.g. /dev/sda3 or 4, which are partitions nobody should ever touch. so, i followed common tutor |
| 22:29.41 | vizzy | ials. Please, what is the correct place to put my rule for sg* and serahc attributes for my tape drive? if i place it in etc/udev/persistent.rules as i said its linked to vcsa[n] or /dev/sda, which is really bad |
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| 22:31.43 | vizzy | this should be the magic udev line: BUS=="scsi", KERNEL=="sg*", SYSFS{model}=="SLR60" and then SYMLINK+="tapeX" |
| 22:32.18 | vizzy | but this screws my system totally up. so WHERE to put this line? udev is really dangerous! phew |
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| 22:36.03 | nayx | adama1: lvm |
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| 22:36.51 | vizzy | im getting crazy. where the hell is a good readable understandable tutorial or doku about udev... this is a pain |
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| 22:38.53 | vizzy | thats real fun, udev doesnt take care at the rules at all, it simply does what it wants. wtf? udev really is a pain, i cant understand why we need that, ... i'm totally ficked up |
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| 22:52.49 | comsa | ? |
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| 23:00.01 | sylar | think there's always fun @#debian |
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| 23:00.53 | cafuego | NO! THERE WILL NOT! |
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| 23:08.40 | supertanker_ | Hey, is there any easy way to see what packages are on each debian CD? |
| 23:08.53 | supertanker_ | ...eh, besides just sticking it in the drive like I should be doing.... |
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| 23:09.14 | Sebboh | Hi. Working with gpg. How can I extract human readable information from a .crt file? Like, the common name and such? |
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| 23:10.07 | foetus | ok, i'm back... created my own rc.shutdown with some inspiration of /etc/init.d/reboot, made a copy of /etc/rc.local and renamed it into /etc/rc.shutdown -- |
| 23:10.27 | Sebboh | supertanker_ I suppose that if those CDs have been used on the system before, there are going to be caches of the Packages file..? So some apt-cache query should tell you, but I don't know which one? |
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| 23:10.45 | supertanker_ | Sebboh, I just realized I can put it in the drive and just look XD |
| 23:10.59 | foetus | works like a charme. |
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| 23:11.44 | foetus | should be a part of the distribution. :) |
| 23:13.15 | dmarkey | Error: invalid device model signature read , anyone getting this error with xen restore? |
| 23:13.31 | cafuego | Sebboh: gpg keys don't have such things as common names afaik - that's openssl certs. They *do* have name and email info - you can generally import them to the keyring and it'll tell you what it is. |
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| 23:15.30 | thermoman | i wanna test a http loadbalancer and instead of setting 5 physical/virtual machines up with each i physical/virtual NIC i want to do this on 1 machine with e.g. IP aliases. nothing special here but i want each alias IP to have it's own MAC address. is this possible without using virtualbox/vmware with plain linux tools? |
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| 23:17.45 | cafuego | thermoman: If you're lucky and the heardware supports it, apparently yes. |
| 23:18.01 | VulpesFoxnik | thermoman: What about Qemu? |
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| 23:18.27 | cafuego | thermoman: ifconfig eth0:0 hw ether 00:1f:2a:49:62:7f |
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| 23:18.57 | thermoman | cafuego: this changes MAC of eth0 |
| 23:19.09 | cafuego | it does? Oh well, not then ;-) |
| 23:19.19 | thermoman | VulpesFoxnik: something like this but i don't want a heavy virtual environment |
| 23:19.28 | cafuego | Maybe the dummy net driver then |
| 23:19.29 | CheeToS | this should be all I need for getting remote logging working with sysklogd, right? http://paste.debian.net/31989/ (the first line is near the top of the file) |
| 23:19.40 | thermoman | just an apache listening on many IPs with each IP having it's unique MAC |
| 23:20.21 | VulpesFoxnik | Theoden: There is Kqemu? or is that still to virtual? And doesn't Xen support guest hosts? or am I mistaken how it works? |
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| 23:27.14 | ghang | hi , i just install a debian ( i m a ubuntu noob) when i wanna use add/remove application , it didn't show the request window box to enter my root password, so i cannot install the package with root permission , what should i do ? |
| 23:27.45 | trebor_home | hi, i am trying to get my (color) printer to print in color, but i only get monochrome printing. if i set options for color printing, the printer does nothing. i tried several ppd files from the database and from the internet, but still no effect. can someone give me a hint how to analyze the problem |
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| 23:30.55 | Tramp | ghang: open a terminal, login as root, do "aptitude install <packagename>" |
| 23:32.04 | Sebboh | ok, cafuego, thank you for the info. |
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| 23:32.18 | IDKFA | hi |
| 23:33.18 | IDKFA | does debian still work? |
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| 23:35.55 | gparent | no debian doesnt work |
| 23:35.56 | gparent | sry |
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| 23:36.20 | gparent | it was almost working yesterday so they added assert(false); |
| 23:36.24 | sobersabre | hi. what's the diff between aptitude dist-upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 23:36.37 | rerushg | IDKFA: nope.... forget about it... |
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| 23:40.49 | ghang | thanks Tramp |
| 23:41.02 | Tramp | yw |
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| 23:49.43 | daniel2 | http://www.pastebin.ca/1377419 |
| 23:49.46 | daniel2 | Anyone have any ideas to that? |
| 23:50.56 | CoolCold | daniel2: vps? |
| 23:51.02 | daniel2 | yes. |
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| 23:51.15 | CoolCold | hehe, you may have mem shortage |
| 23:51.26 | abrotman | Anikkka: turn off whatever that is |
| 23:51.27 | CoolCold | looks into /var/log/daemon.log |
| 23:52.10 | stew | daniel2: did you check the bps? |
| 23:52.12 | CoolCold | daniel2: edit my.cnf, add skip-innodb |
| 23:52.21 | daniel2 | ok thank you. |
| 23:52.26 | CoolCold | and try again.. |
| 23:52.41 | stew | CoolCold: do you know this to fix the issue? is there a bug filed about it? |
| 23:53.19 | stew | daniel2: err, i of course meant bts, not bps |
| 23:53.22 | CoolCold | stew: not sure this is bug...vps users are affected |
| 23:53.44 | stew | CoolCold: if innodb stopped working, its most ceratinly a bug |
| 23:53.48 | CoolCold | daniel2: if u are on openvz vps, can u show /proc/user_beancounters somewhere? |
| 23:54.29 | daniel2 | cant |
| 23:54.42 | daniel2 | and adding that didnt fix it |
| 23:54.49 | CoolCold | yesterday one man had |
| 23:54.50 | CoolCold | 01:41:48 < CoolCold> Mar 29 21:22:21 alex55 mysqld_safe[25724]: Installation of system tables failed! |
| 23:55.05 | CoolCold | do you have the same messages in /var/log/daemon.log ? |
| 23:55.54 | trebor_home | i can not get my color printer to print in color. monochrome works, but if i switch to color there is no printing (xerox phaser 6110), i installed splix, downloaded the package from http://foo2qpdl.rkkda.com/, tried all ppds i saw, deinstalled & reinstalled cups - no succes (some weeks ago the printer printed colors under debian)... what can i do now? |
| 23:56.25 | stew | daniel2: did you check the bts? |
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| 23:56.41 | daniel2 | bts? |
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| 23:56.51 | stew | daniel2: the bug tracking system |
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| 23:57.16 | daniel2 | which one? |
| 23:57.26 | stew | daniel2: the debian bug tracking system |
| 23:57.47 | stew | daniel2: if you are running experimental packages, you should have been checking there before asking here |
| 23:57.56 | daniel2 | umm. |
| 23:58.11 | daniel2 | I didnt know it was experimental. |
| 23:58.26 | stew | judd: versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 23:58.27 | judd | stew: mysql-server-5.1 -- experimental: 5.1.32-1 |
| 23:58.44 | stew | daniel2: oh, this dind't come from debian? |
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| 23:58.52 | stew | daniel2: ask dotdeb then, file a bug with them |
| 23:59.00 | IDKFA | gimme a str8 answer plz |
| 23:59.06 | IDKFA | does debian still work or not. |
| 23:59.25 | stew | IDKFA: what do you mean? |
| 23:59.26 | daniel2 | i fixed it |
| 23:59.30 | daniel2 | an outdated config option |
| 23:59.37 | daniel2 | skip-bdb |
| 23:59.47 | IDKFA | stew: it's in english. read it |
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