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| 00:00.28 | CoolCold | wonders about skip-bdb |
| 00:00.38 | stew | IDKFA: you question isn't specific enough. debian is working for a lot of people |
| 00:00.43 | CoolCold | daniel2: what did u do with it? |
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| 00:00.55 | daniel2 | CoolCold, Removed "skip-bdb" |
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| 00:01.07 | CoolCold | and what, it started? |
| 00:01.10 | daniel2 | Cause that option isnt valid anymore, they removed it in 5.1.12 |
| 00:01.11 | daniel2 | yes |
| 00:01.14 | daniel2 | Its working fine now. |
| 00:01.17 | CoolCold | erm |
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| 00:01.36 | CoolCold | dotdeb has this in default config or you have upgrade from previouse version? |
| 00:01.58 | IDKFA | tell me debians works or wot. yes or no |
| 00:01.59 | IDKFA | fast |
| 00:02.03 | CoolCold | (in this case dpkg should shout on you about config changed) |
| 00:02.17 | ajavid | IDKFA, what do you want to hear? |
| 00:02.18 | daniel2 | IDKFA, It works. |
| 00:02.32 | daniel2 | CoolCold, upgraded. |
| 00:02.34 | rerushg | it works...yes |
| 00:02.36 | ajavid | IDKFA, do you want debian to work, or do you not want debian to work? |
| 00:02.42 | ajavid | IDKFA, it can do both. |
| 00:02.42 | stew | IDKFA: ask a more specific question |
| 00:03.22 | IDKFA | well, |
| 00:03.26 | IDKFA | i want it to work. |
| 00:03.34 | IDKFA | stew: well it dosent boot on my PC |
| 00:03.35 | daniel2 | It works as long as you set it up right. |
| 00:03.37 | IDKFA | thats the issue |
| 00:03.47 | daniel2 | IDKFA, what kind of hardware? |
| 00:03.56 | IDKFA | gateway computer. brand new. |
| 00:03.56 | CoolCold | summons IDDQD |
| 00:03.59 | stew | IDKFA: you are trying to boot an install cd that you downloaded? or what? |
| 00:03.59 | IDKFA | 4 GB ram |
| 00:04.07 | IDKFA | 130 GB hard drive |
| 00:04.11 | ajavid | did you get the correct arch? |
| 00:04.15 | IDKFA | ATI radeon graphixx, very fast |
| 00:04.23 | IDKFA | 15.4 inch monitor |
| 00:04.28 | IDKFA | USB, etc. etc. |
| 00:04.29 | pl4yer0ne | IDSPISPOPD ftw |
| 00:04.30 | daniel2 | idimmu, Almost sounds like my pc.. |
| 00:04.33 | IDKFA | also, TV tuner card |
| 00:04.46 | stew | IDKFA: which cd did you download? |
| 00:04.50 | ajavid | how did you obtain debian? |
| 00:04.50 | IDKFA | its latest computer. but it still dosent work |
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| 00:04.52 | daniel2 | Except I turned off my ATI onboard graphics, and installed |
| 00:04.54 | daniel2 | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400 GS @ ATI Technologies Inc RS690 Host Bridge] |
| 00:04.55 | daniel2 | that |
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| 00:05.08 | IDKFA | stew: i dont download i dont do that. i bought it legally from amazon |
| 00:05.15 | daniel2 | lmao! |
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| 00:05.21 | IDKFA | for $39.99 plus $3.00 ground |
| 00:05.23 | daniel2 | IDKFA, Debian is free software. |
| 00:05.24 | stew | IDKFA: how are you trying to boot debian. from a cd? |
| 00:05.34 | daniel2 | You are legally able to download it from debian.org |
| 00:05.45 | IDKFA | stew: yes |
| 00:05.55 | stew | IDKFA: show me the url from where you got the cd |
| 00:05.59 | IDKFA | ok |
| 00:06.05 | IDKFA | i told you its from amazon wait |
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| 00:07.22 | IDKFA | it's gone from amazon now buts is similr to this one: http://www.amazon.com/Progeny-Debian-Linux-No-Support/dp/B000068GG9/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1238458007&sr=1-1 |
| 00:07.41 | IDKFA | no support = no guide. dosent mean pir8ed or anything |
| 00:07.58 | daniel2 | You got ripped off :\ |
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| 00:08.25 | daniel2 | Enhanced Debian 2.2? |
| 00:08.27 | IDKFA | it's genuine debian, not some cheap CD-R. i dont think i got ripped of |
| 00:08.36 | CheeToS | odd, I am trying to edit /etc/init.d/sysklogd so SYSLOGD is set at the beginning. It echoes fine if I add an echo to the script right after setting the variable, but if I try & echo it where SYSLOGD is used (in the start/restart/etc cases), it is seemingly blank |
| 00:08.37 | stew | IDKFA: that's not debian. its a very old unsupported debian derivative |
| 00:08.37 | IDKFA | the cds have genuine labels |
| 00:08.42 | daniel2 | IDKFA, You dont understand, Debian is free software. |
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| 00:08.53 | stew | IDKFA: if you want debian, go to http://debian.org and click on getting debian |
| 00:08.56 | IDKFA | so the cds are not free but the program on the CD is? |
| 00:09.01 | stew | IDKFA: or go to http://get.debian.net |
| 00:09.01 | daniel2 | IDKFA, YES |
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| 00:09.07 | IDKFA | weird.. |
| 00:09.10 | daniel2 | You just paid 40 bucks for a CD with free software. |
| 00:09.12 | ajavid | you got fragged! |
| 00:09.30 | zeta_ | SI |
| 00:09.31 | IDKFA | ahaha ajavid speaks my language. fragged i like that. i like DOOM |
| 00:09.33 | amphi | ajavid: not really; I've bought debian cds before |
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| 00:09.36 | ajavid | return the product if you can |
| 00:09.46 | ajavid | amphi, but he didn't buy debian |
| 00:09.49 | stew | what he bought, however isn't debian |
| 00:09.56 | IDKFA | uh, yes i DID BUY debian |
| 00:09.59 | stew | (not as far as this channel is concerned) |
| 00:10.02 | IDKFA | except it dosent work |
| 00:10.02 | klaz168 | is it a cd set? |
| 00:10.09 | ajavid | IDKFA, you thought you bought debian, but you were fragged! |
| 00:10.13 | amphi | stew: ah; cheated indeed, in that case ;) |
| 00:10.23 | daniel2 | I like how it says No Support, but the box cover says "backed by service and support" |
| 00:10.25 | stew | IDKFA: you didn't, sorry, you bought 6 year old debian derrivative, not debian |
| 00:10.39 | IDKFA | so it wont work |
| 00:10.41 | IDKFA | or wot |
| 00:10.42 | ajavid | no |
| 00:10.43 | stew | IDKFA: if you want debian, go to http://debian.org and click 'getting debian' or http://get.debian.org |
| 00:10.47 | IDKFA | theres no number to call |
| 00:10.50 | stew | IDKFA: we don't know and don't care |
| 00:10.55 | Chousuke | IDKFA: Debian is Free software, so selling it is allowed. But most often people just download CD images from the Debian site :) |
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| 00:11.06 | ajavid | IDKFA, sorry it sounds a bit cold, we're sorry for you, but thats it |
| 00:11.25 | ajavid | IDKFA, this time you got burned. Next time you'll know better |
| 00:11.33 | zeta_ | IDKFA, how much did you pay for it... |
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| 00:11.43 | ajavid | IDKFA, moving on... do what stew said and obtain a copy of debian for free |
| 00:11.52 | stew | zeta_: ask him in /msg please |
| 00:12.03 | daniel2 | stew, get.debian.org doesnt work btw |
| 00:12.13 | stew | sorry that should be get.debian.net |
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| 00:12.31 | zeta_ | stew, I'm interested, why should I have to pm him? |
| 00:12.34 | daniel2 | stew, that just takes you to the home page :P |
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| 00:12.43 | stew | zeta_: becuase its off-topic in thich channel |
| 00:12.56 | zeta_ | why is it off topic? |
| 00:13.07 | ajavid | zeta_, just msg him |
| 00:13.09 | stew | zeta_: becuase we only support debian here, not debian derivatives |
| 00:13.10 | ajavid | whats the big deal? |
| 00:13.25 | stew | daniel2: http://get.debian.net should automatically detect the correct arch based on the browser you are using and offer you an iso for lenny |
| 00:13.37 | zeta_ | oh i thought he got debian from debian.org where like you ask debian to ship you your CDs |
| 00:13.45 | daniel2 | stew, not for me lol. |
| 00:13.51 | dondelelcaro | Debian doesn't ship cds. |
| 00:13.56 | ajavid | debian doesn't have enough money like canonical |
| 00:13.58 | IDKFA | ok i am back |
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| 00:14.14 | ajavid | we're poor people |
| 00:14.16 | ajavid | heh |
| 00:14.20 | IDKFA | ok so where i get working debian. i dont want to download |
| 00:14.30 | zeta_ | http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ <---? |
| 00:14.41 | zeta_ | ok debian has VENDORS to ship CDs |
| 00:15.01 | IDKFA | why is this so complicated?!! |
| 00:15.04 | stew | IDKFA: why don't you want to download? |
| 00:15.05 | arcaos_ | hello folks |
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| 00:15.19 | zeta_ | stew, some people are still on 56k |
| 00:15.24 | IDKFA | stew: because of 1. virus 2. i dont have premium rapidshare and i also dont want to pirate. |
| 00:15.26 | zeta_ | and it's a perfectly legit to need to buy CDs |
| 00:15.29 | zeta_ | ok nm |
| 00:15.30 | IDKFA | my internet is not very fast |
| 00:15.34 | zeta_ | he's just an idiot |
| 00:15.36 | CcSsNET | hey stew, ive got a question about kernel pid management, or do u not tinker with such things? |
| 00:15.37 | CheeToS | thinks IDKFA may be a troll |
| 00:15.44 | ajavid | zeta_, don't namecall dawg! |
| 00:15.47 | IDKFA | smooched CheeToS |
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| 00:15.58 | amphi | zeta_: right - I was on dialup when I bought mine - nothing like 56KB/s, by the way ;) |
| 00:16.00 | IDKFA | <3 CheeToS <3 lol gay guyz |
| 00:16.11 | zeta_ | so how do we ban people again? |
| 00:16.14 | CheeToS | well that answers that question :v |
| 00:16.25 | ajavid | amphi, you sick twisted fucking sado masochist! |
| 00:16.28 | IDKFA | So basically, like, debian people are easy to troll. easier than even ubuntu fagz |
| 00:16.33 | ajavid | amphi, how about we move into the 21st century ;) |
| 00:16.40 | IDKFA | the easiest to troll are gent00 retardz |
| 00:16.47 | ajavid | amphi, you know what was real fun, 2400 baud |
| 00:16.49 | ajavid | :) |
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| 00:17.11 | arcaos_ | if I would like to compile things is there a standard way in which to install all the "development" packages automatically? |
| 00:17.27 | zeta_ | 2400 baud? |
| 00:17.32 | ajavid | arcaos_, yes easy use apt-get build-dep pkgname |
| 00:17.32 | zeta_ | how many bits per minute was that |
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| 00:17.47 | ajavid | arcaos_, it will install all the devs/libs etc. that you need inorder to build a certain package or compoile tht software |
| 00:17.48 | amphi | ajavid: I was in .np |
| 00:17.57 | romulo | hi, is intel Core Duo processors ia64? I have a merom processor (wich has EM64T extension) |
| 00:18.04 | abrotman | no |
| 00:18.08 | amphi | romulo: no - amd64 |
| 00:18.20 | romulo | hmm |
| 00:18.31 | romulo | cool =D thanks amphi |
| 00:18.34 | arcaos_ | ajavid: what happens when you want to compile things that come in their own .tgz files ? |
| 00:18.41 | CcSsNET | hmm anyone here familiar with the linux kernel and how u can alter pid management |
| 00:18.42 | abrotman | arcaos_: such as what ? |
| 00:18.46 | amphi | romulo: you can tell whether your cpu is 64bit by checking for 'lm' in the flags in /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 00:19.14 | romulo | amphi, it is, i already confirmed |
| 00:19.14 | arcaos_ | abro: drivers for a very old paralel port scanner |
| 00:19.22 | romulo | i just didnt expected it to be "amd64" compatible |
| 00:19.23 | romulo | =p |
| 00:19.36 | amphi | romulo: ia64 is for itanium |
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| 00:19.49 | ajavid | arcaos_, more than likey if should ble packaged for debian, if it is, and you wish to build from upstream soruce, simply use apt-get build-dep on the software's name, (usually by searching for it via apt-cache search to get its name) and if its in debian, using build-dep will take care of the build dependencies. If its not in debian however, you will have to manually install the -dev and the lib packages you need in order to build it |
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| 00:20.28 | ajavid | arcaos_, upstream package's DOC or README should contain the stuff it depends on |
| 00:20.38 | romulo | amphi, i see, thanks |
| 00:20.46 | romulo | amphi, im finally getting rid of this ubuntu xD |
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| 00:20.56 | amphi | !rejoice |
| 00:20.57 | dpkg | ...and the peasants rejoiced. |
| 00:21.02 | zeta_ | !rejoice |
| 00:21.07 | ajavid | seriously |
| 00:21.09 | zeta_ | wow it's abuse proof |
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| 00:21.20 | ajavid | !abuse zeta_ |
| 00:21.20 | dpkg | zeta_: You vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert! |
| 00:21.23 | arcaos_ | ajavid: it`s a packet sane needs to use this particular scanner... certainly not a very common one |
| 00:21.31 | zeta_ | !abuse ajavid |
| 00:21.31 | dpkg | smacks ajavid across the face. "Take that, you bastard!" |
| 00:21.36 | abrotman | lay off the bot |
| 00:21.38 | ajavid | arcaos_, come again? |
| 00:21.41 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 00:22.53 | arcaos_ | ajavid: sane, the aplication for scanning doesn`t recognize my scanner and from what I`ve read I need something liek a special driver for it and this comes in a .tar.bz2 package in source form |
| 00:23.15 | arcaos_ | with a standard ./configure |
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| 00:26.19 | ajavid | uhuh |
| 00:26.24 | ajavid | and? |
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| 00:27.16 | ajavid | arcaos_, which scanner do you have exactly? |
| 00:27.39 | ajavid | brb |
| 00:27.45 | arcaos_ | ajavid: when I ask it to compile it is missing all the compilers and other stuff needed |
| 00:28.08 | arcaos_ | ajavid: Canon FB330P |
| 00:28.14 | daniel2 | oh wow, the bot is abusive. How kinky. |
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| 00:34.11 | pgehle | moinsen |
| 00:34.29 | pgehle | wie kann ich das gerade bügeln: "libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.7-18) but 2.9-4 is to be installed |
| 00:34.29 | pgehle | " |
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| 00:35.17 | pgehle | how to fix that problem "libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.7-18) but 2.9-4 is to be installed" |
| 00:36.00 | stew | pgehle: you partially upgraded to unstable, but your sources are still pointing at stable? |
| 00:36.10 | pgehle | nope |
| 00:36.19 | pgehle | all on the same |
| 00:36.26 | dergringo | Hi. I'd like to create an offsite backup from a folder that's a rdiff-backup already. A (rdiff-backup)-> B -> (???) -> C. What should I use to do the step from B to C? |
| 00:36.34 | stew | pgehle: your sources are pointing at unstable? |
| 00:36.43 | pgehle | on lenny |
| 00:37.03 | stew | pgehle: well you upgraded the most core library on your system to unstable |
| 00:37.09 | pgehle | but I got one volatile source, may it comes from them? |
| 00:37.27 | stew | judd: versions libc6 |
| 00:38.14 | judd | stew: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-4 sid: 2.9-6 |
| 00:38.14 | pgehle | can i downgrade it? |
| 00:38.14 | stew | pgehle: no, you installed libc6 from either testing or unstable |
| 00:38.14 | stew | pgehle: not easily. but you can try /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 00:38.23 | stew | pgehle: its generatlly a tedious process, downgrading isn't supported, we'd generally recommend you reinstall and don't try to mix stable with testing/unstable |
| 00:38.42 | stew | pgehle: in the future when you need packages newer than stable use a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 00:39.35 | pgehle | i changed my sources to lenny and maked an dist-upgrade |
| 00:40.05 | teclo- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:40.55 | stew | pgehle: you must have changed your sources to squeeze aka testing or sid aka unstable at some point |
| 00:42.01 | efaistos | hmmm does someone use debian on first generation macbook ? |
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| 00:44.39 | teclo- | see that kernel ? |
| 00:45.04 | teclo- | release on Friday the 13th, that's unsafe |
| 00:45.10 | teclo- | it's taking a risk |
| 00:45.28 | teclo- | and now that very kernel is rolled into servers |
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| 00:48.28 | mcgrof | when might debian "squeeze" be released? |
| 00:48.33 | mcgrof | one year maybe? Two? |
| 00:48.43 | stew | mcgrof: there is no way to know |
| 00:49.07 | module000 | when it's finished =) |
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| 00:50.08 | diabu | hi |
| 00:50.21 | mcgrof | stew: hm, alright, thanks |
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| 00:54.28 | klein | Hi all, how much space a debian package mirror needs? (stable contrib main non-free) |
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| 00:56.23 | module000 | klein: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ |
| 00:56.30 | pl4yer0ne | a sh_tload? |
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| 00:57.09 | jamey-uk | http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 00:57.16 | pl4yer0ne | yep i was right |
| 00:58.13 | jamey-uk | indeed, but if you have a server with decent SaS set of disks, it should be fine |
| 00:59.06 | pl4yer0ne | oh of course its not an impossible amount... i mean even with the lowliest raid which you would want to use for sure you would have loads of space. |
| 00:59.25 | pl4yer0ne | but it is still a whole lot of data |
| 00:59.42 | klein | ok thanks.... |
| 01:00.15 | klein | i will only make i386 mirror (rsync using some "--exclude" and "--filter") |
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| 01:00.36 | pl4yer0ne | thats whole lot less then =) |
| 01:00.41 | stew | klein: you can use apt-mirror and tell it exactly what you want |
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| 01:00.56 | klein | steve, not debian on the server.... |
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| 01:01.04 | klein | but, anyway, thanks for all.... |
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| 01:03.21 | Faithful | thermoman, I think you would have to create bridged devices and allocate different ip addresses to them |
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| 01:04.01 | icenine | anyone else have the ghetto fabulous creative sb live card here? |
| 01:04.34 | icenine | I've got alsa... working? but I can't get playback/capture or capture working in audacity.. I'm going to try recompiling.. or loading a different module.. I think I have the wrong one |
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| 01:05.21 | Thunder | Which version is it ? |
| 01:05.34 | icenine | How do I get the version? You mean the card or the module |
| 01:05.59 | icenine | This has worked in the past ;/ |
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| 01:10.11 | Faithful | thermoman, http://www.primianotucci.com/default.php?view=57 |
| 01:10.13 | icenine | meh |
| 01:10.27 | icenine | unloading the autoloaded modules, and reloading them manually fixed the problem |
| 01:10.37 | icenine | there must be some conflicting autoloaded module that is messing it up |
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| 01:11.46 | Thunder | hmmm wouldn't be nice to try to read man file for it :) |
| 01:12.03 | Thunder | something like : man alsa ;) |
| 01:12.40 | Thunder | so maybe apply a -v as argument pr something like that :) in shell of course :0 |
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| 01:12.47 | Thunder | ups :) |
| 01:13.21 | icenine | there is no alsa man page on my boc |
| 01:13.23 | icenine | box* |
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| 01:13.59 | icenine | and I don't think it's an alsa configuration problem, it's a kernel module problem related to the specific combination of drivers that debian autoloaded |
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| 01:14.16 | icenine | in the past it's always worked.. there's something going on with the autoloading that is picking a module that fubars the whole config |
| 01:14.16 | Thunder | uh and then there are a doc folder in /usr/share/doc :) |
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| 01:14.32 | Thunder | Is it your PC are some hmmm mainframe ;) |
| 01:14.45 | icenine | no, it's my pc sadly |
| 01:14.51 | icenine | would you believe i have that shitty of a card |
| 01:14.52 | icenine | har |
| 01:15.46 | Thunder | hmmm I don't watch from the begining |
| 01:15.51 | Thunder | So what card is it ? |
| 01:16.07 | icenine | creative sb live |
| 01:16.15 | CaT[t3] | xinming_: then go package them or cpan them into /usr/local |
| 01:16.28 | CaT[t3] | oops |
| 01:18.32 | Thunder | are you have complete source ? |
| 01:18.51 | Thunder | I mean all debian bins or source ? |
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| 01:19.49 | icenine | i used binary |
| 01:19.51 | icenine | it's working now |
| 01:19.57 | icenine | i just need to blacklist the offending module |
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| 01:31.33 | Gnurdux | so an issue that ive had before, and just struck agian |
| 01:31.36 | Gnurdux | i use intel driver |
| 01:31.40 | Gnurdux | sometimes, X crashes |
| 01:31.53 | Gnurdux | and refuses to start until a reboot (soft or hard) |
| 01:32.02 | Gnurdux | unloading the i915 kernel module doesnt help |
| 01:32.10 | Gnurdux | i just discovered that switching to vesa driver does |
| 01:32.12 | Gnurdux | but it doesnt fix it |
| 01:32.21 | Gnurdux | server still wont start with intel driver |
| 01:32.32 | Gnurdux | is there any way to fix this without a reboot? |
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| 01:36.18 | daniel2 | Gnurdux, What kinda of card specifically. |
| 01:36.31 | Gnurdux | its an i865 i htink |
| 01:36.36 | Gnurdux | "Extreme Graphics 2" |
| 01:36.37 | daniel2 | dang |
| 01:36.39 | daniel2 | Thats old. |
| 01:36.57 | Gnurdux | from googling, it looks to be the same as this issue http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/b15b3299e8bbfe66 |
| 01:36.58 | linkd | all you guys have the same link nights for all conversation over the last 26 minutes. how embarassing for you. |
| 01:37.05 | Gnurdux | its 4 years old, daniel2 |
| 01:37.05 | daniel2 | Gnurdux, Just recommendation, you know you can buy a decent nvidia geforce for like 50-70 bucks, right? |
| 01:37.07 | linkd | *same nick lengths |
| 01:37.13 | Gnurdux | this compy has no AGP or PCI-E slots, daniel2 |
| 01:37.13 | linkd | stupid tired brain. |
| 01:37.23 | daniel2 | Gnurdux, |
| 01:37.26 | daniel2 | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400 GS @ ATI Technologies Inc RS690 Host Bridge] |
| 01:37.29 | daniel2 | PCI card. |
| 01:37.29 | Gnurdux | and its not gonna last long anyway |
| 01:37.36 | daniel2 | cost me 70 bucks. |
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| 01:37.40 | daniel2 | its cheaper on new egg. |
| 01:37.46 | Gnurdux | but id throw it out in a few months |
| 01:37.48 | daniel2 | Gnurdux, I never had good luck with intel built in. |
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| 01:37.55 | macman_ | hi |
| 01:37.56 | Gnurdux | better just to wait for a new comp |
| 01:38.00 | abrotman | my intel works fine, wouldn't give nvidia money .. ever |
| 01:38.03 | daniel2 | Gnurdux, Ill buy it off ya, need a replace my router :P |
| 01:38.04 | macman_ | is there a way to find all distro derived from debian ? |
| 01:38.11 | abrotman | Gnurdux: what's the error in the X log ? |
| 01:38.15 | abrotman | !children |
| 01:38.16 | dpkg | children are concerned the situation is tolerable from this point of |
| 01:38.18 | abrotman | bah |
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| 01:38.23 | macman_ | nvm found it |
| 01:38.25 | charitwo | o.O |
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| 01:38.52 | Gnurdux | http://pastebin.ca/1377504 look near the bottom |
| 01:38.54 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros .. which i'm sure is incomplete |
| 01:39.19 | Gnurdux | once that happens once, you need to reboot or it will happen from then on when you try to start the server |
| 01:39.26 | Gnurdux | it first crashes when the server is running |
| 01:39.30 | Gnurdux | this happens very rarely |
| 01:39.39 | abrotman | Gnurdux: that bug is in the BTS i'm fairly certain |
| 01:39.50 | Gnurdux | it has been the reason for the majority of my reboots |
| 01:40.04 | Gnurdux | k |
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| 01:40.20 | daniel2 | Gnurdux, Its worth a shot, but ive heard using a higher intel driver for like a new card sometimes works, friend had the same problem. |
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| 01:40.26 | daniel2 | shrugs |
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| 01:40.36 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 01:40.37 | abrotman | Gnurdux: holy crap .. why is your kernel ancient ? |
| 01:40.44 | Gnurdux | oh, i havent updated for ages |
| 01:40.53 | Gnurdux | the kernel at least |
| 01:40.54 | daniel2 | That might be a problem too. |
| 01:40.58 | Gnurdux | probably is |
| 01:41.02 | abrotman | Gnurdux: and your xorg is out of date too |
| 01:41.07 | Gnurdux | i probably ought to update to a reasonable kernel |
| 01:41.21 | abrotman | Gnurdux: which version of debian is this? some half assed etch system ? |
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| 01:41.23 | Gnurdux | i havent done an apt-get dist-upgrade (or any upgrade at all) for a few months |
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| 01:41.42 | Gnurdux | nah, its probably from right before the lenny freeze |
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| 01:41.51 | Gnurdux | but with an old kernel |
| 01:42.00 | Gnurdux | i might even have a new kernel installed, just havent booted to it |
| 01:42.03 | Thunder | hehe uh tio interupt :D |
| 01:42.04 | Thunder | hehe why you dont use apt-get :) it is really convinient tool for such stuff :) |
| 01:42.19 | abrotman | Gnurdux: why not actually use an etch kernel? |
| 01:42.36 | abrotman | or go to lenny ? |
| 01:42.37 | Gnurdux | i really ought to reboot soon, but it would be interesting if i could resolve this when i know it is happening |
| 01:42.41 | Thunder | Or compile your own :) |
| 01:42.44 | Gnurdux | i am at lenny |
| 01:42.47 | abrotman | no you're not |
| 01:42.50 | Gnurdux | in most of my packages, yes |
| 01:42.53 | abrotman | you're not using a lenny kernel or a lenny xorg |
| 01:43.02 | Gnurdux | im surprised about the xorg |
| 01:43.07 | Thunder | Yeap without kern :p |
| 01:43.07 | Gnurdux | im definitely using a post-etch xorg |
| 01:43.19 | abrotman | that might be .. but it's a really out of date xorg compared to lenny |
| 01:43.22 | Gnurdux | but im on gnome 2.22 for instance |
| 01:43.25 | Thunder | hmmm are you mixing a stable and unstable ? |
| 01:43.37 | Thunder | why you use gnome at all ? |
| 01:43.38 | Gnurdux | mixing an old testing and old unstable, Thunder |
| 01:43.50 | Thunder | After all there are so many interesting desktops :0 |
| 01:43.57 | Thunder | as maybe XFCE :0 |
| 01:43.57 | abrotman | Thunder: are you going to be helpful at all? |
| 01:44.01 | Gnurdux | from ~5 months ago, maybe? |
| 01:44.12 | Thunder | or plain "new" KDE 5 |
| 01:44.13 | Gnurdux | i should update everything and reboot |
| 01:44.15 | Thunder | :D |
| 01:44.50 | Thunder | try to mix a new testing and new unstable :D maybe that solve it :D |
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| 01:45.04 | abrotman | must be sunday there .. |
| 01:45.29 | abrotman | Gnurdux: you realize that the bug you've been experiencing for months may have been fixed months ago ? |
| 01:45.37 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 01:45.43 | Gnurdux | lemme find it in BTS, if it is there |
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| 01:46.32 | Gnurdux | wow, its been submitted multiple times |
| 01:46.37 | Thunder | yeap you have a package that searching a bugzilla tracker before every install and upgrade ... |
| 01:46.39 | Thunder | :) |
| 01:46.45 | Thunder | Why don't use it :) |
| 01:46.53 | Thunder | If you are all time online :) |
| 01:46.54 | Outh9x | I am upgrading to a new version of Perl (I have 5.8.8 installed by default). ./Configure is complaing that "Uh-oh, the C compiler 'cc' doesn't seem to be working." and "You need to find a working C compiler." apt-get install gcc is probably what I need, don't you think? Is there a better package than this? |
| 01:47.39 | stew | Outh9x: what version of debian are you running? what version of perl do you need? |
| 01:47.50 | Thunder | hehe |
| 01:48.05 | stew | Outh9x: you really need to be careful with perl as it is very much core to debian |
| 01:48.05 | Thunder | How you think to have normal system without gccc ? |
| 01:48.09 | Thunder | gcc ? |
| 01:48.15 | Thunder | weird/ |
| 01:48.23 | stew | Thunder: debian doesn't install gcc by default |
| 01:48.30 | Thunder | of course latest version of gnu compiler always ... |
| 01:48.42 | stew | what? |
| 01:48.48 | Thunder | yes but you need it for most things ... |
| 01:48.53 | stew | no |
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| 01:49.07 | Thunder | at least I use it for develop purpose so I have it installed :) |
| 01:49.28 | Outh9x | whereis gcc gives me gcc: /usr/lib/gcc so I don't think it's installs it by default. |
| 01:49.36 | Thunder | Why you have something against GNU tools ? |
| 01:49.46 | stew | Outh9x: what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:50.58 | Outh9x | Debian Etch, you want something more specific than that, right? Sorry, just getting use to using Debian again. |
| 01:51.14 | stew | Outh9x: what version of perl do you need? |
| 01:51.33 | Outh9x | I want 5.10 |
| 01:51.34 | stew | Outh9x: we'd recommend you upgrade to the current version of debian stable (codenamed lenny) whould would get you perl 5.10 in the process |
| 01:51.51 | Outh9x | can i do this from the command line? |
| 01:51.59 | stew | Outh9x: yes, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 01:52.07 | Outh9x | upgrade to lenny? |
| 01:52.09 | Outh9x | oh |
| 01:52.10 | Outh9x | k |
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| 01:52.41 | stew | Outh9x: we're really recommend against trying to upgrade the perl version by installing a new version on top of 5.8 |
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| 01:54.15 | Outh9x | stew: i agree, not wise...i am going to try upgrading now...do i need to be root? i am sure i do, right? |
| 01:54.31 | Outh9x | silly question...i am sure.. |
| 01:54.31 | stew | Outh9x: to upgrade to lenny? yes |
| 01:54.34 | Outh9x | k |
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| 01:56.13 | Outh9x | stew: One other question, should I get exit out of all of my other apps before I do this? Or does that really matter? I've got Internet Radio going and stuff like that... |
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| 01:56.37 | stew | Outh9x: it shouldn't matter |
| 01:56.49 | Outh9x | stew: thanks. |
| 01:58.53 | Thunder | if it not using perl of course :0 |
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| 01:59.10 | stew | Thunder: why would that matter? |
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| 02:00.16 | Thunder | Shouldn't :) but anyway it would be ok to stop before upgrade ... |
| 02:00.27 | stew | Thunder: shouldn't what? |
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| 02:06.26 | Tully- | penis |
| 02:07.01 | Thunder | Maybe different behavior after upgrade maybe it should upgrade other packages that deppend on it .. it is more a apstract retorical question ... i don't meen that it need just it is a good practice |
| 02:07.29 | Thunder | after all if it had than that way at first place wouldn't have such problem probably |
| 02:07.33 | Thunder | Isn't it ? |
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| 02:13.45 | Outh9x | stew: sorry...never tried this before...I issue 'dpkg etch->lenny' and get this: http://sial.org/pbot/35773 |
| 02:14.34 | stew | Outh9x: no "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" was a commadn to type into irc to get info about upgading from etch to lenny: |
| 02:14.39 | stew | dpkg: tell Outh9x about etch->lenny |
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| 02:17.56 | Outh9x | haha, ok, that would of been too easy...i should of know that. i'll start reading the docs now. |
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| 02:23.25 | r0nin | anyone here installed debian over the network? I cant seem to get it working |
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| 02:27.39 | Stanlin | help! when i try to mount a sshfs i get this error: bzr push sftp://bill@dev.microsoft.com/windows.source.code/ /microsoft |
| 02:27.59 | Stanlin | erro sorry wrong error |
| 02:28.34 | Stanlin | help! when i try to mount a sshfs i get this error: mount: only root can mount sshfs#bill@dev.microsoft.com:/windows.source.code/ on /windows.sources/ |
| 02:29.08 | supertanker_ | Stanlin, maybe it's not in your /etc/fstab file. |
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| 02:29.36 | Stanlin | supertanker_: it is there |
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| 02:29.42 | supertanker_ | Er |
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| 02:29.47 | supertanker_ | Have you per chance tried mounting it as root. |
| 02:29.57 | Stanlin | supertanker_: when i mount as root, works fine, but with normal users not |
| 02:30.12 | Stanlin | supertanker_: thats the problem, i cant give root password to the users... |
| 02:30.15 | supertanker_ | Is the option "users" in the /etc/fstab file? |
| 02:30.20 | supertanker_ | (Under the Options field) |
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| 02:30.59 | Stanlin | supertanker_: sshfs#bill@dev.microsoft.com:/windows.source.code/ /windows.sources fuse,allow_other,noauto,uid=0,gid=0 defaults 0 0 |
| 02:31.20 | supertanker_ | Try putting 'user' in between 'noauto' and 'allow_other' |
| 02:31.23 | supertanker_ | With commas of course |
| 02:32.10 | supertanker_ | just has it auto-mount at boot so he's not sure if that works or not, but it should in theory. |
| 02:32.20 | supertanker_ | In theory, all the users would have to do would be to type mount mountpoint/ |
| 02:32.29 | supertanker_ | I have my floppy/CDRoms set up that way. |
| 02:33.26 | Stanlin | supertanker_: same error :( |
| 02:33.31 | supertanker_ | Huh |
| 02:33.40 | supertanker_ | What's the fstab look like now? |
| 02:33.46 | supertanker_ | Also, I've never delt with sshfs, only nfs |
| 02:33.58 | Stanlin | supertanker_: sshfs#bill@dev.microsoft.com:/windows.source.code/ /windows.sources fuse,allow_other,user,noauto,uid=0,gid=0 defaults 0 0 |
| 02:34.08 | supertanker_ | Hmm :/ |
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| 02:35.11 | supertanker_ | What if you take out the uid/gid? |
| 02:35.17 | supertanker_ | (I have no idea what it does, so try it at your own risk) |
| 02:35.19 | Stanlin | ok sec |
| 02:35.31 | supertanker_ | You could also try 'users' plural to allow *every* user to mount and unmount it |
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| 02:36.45 | Stanlin | supertanker_: same error |
| 02:36.55 | supertanker_ | With both methods? |
| 02:37.02 | supertanker_ | (removing uid/gid and adding users plural) |
| 02:37.17 | supertanker_ | I really don't know how sshfs works, so that's about as much as I can think of :< |
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| 02:37.46 | Stanlin | thanks supertanker_ |
| 02:37.48 | Stanlin | HELP!! |
| 02:37.53 | stew | Stanlin: what command are you running? |
| 02:38.22 | Stanlin | stew: ive added this line to /etc/fstab sshfs#bill@dev.microsoft.com:/windows.source.code/ /windows.sources fuse,allow_other,user,noauto,uid=0,gid=0 defaults 0 0 |
| 02:38.45 | Stanlin | stew: now i type mount /windows.sources , and doesnt work, ask for root |
| 02:38.56 | Stanlin | asks* |
| 02:40.10 | stew | Stanlin: there are too many columns there |
| 02:40.14 | stew | err |
| 02:40.18 | stew | they are in the wrong order |
| 02:40.21 | stew | Stanlin: man fstab |
| 02:40.31 | stew | Stanlin: or you should be able to use sshfs (man sshfs) |
| 02:41.53 | Stanlin | stew i can mount it with sshfs |
| 02:42.03 | Stanlin | stew but cant make it work through fstab |
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| 02:42.33 | stew | Stanlin: you have the columns in the wrong order, and you don't want "defaults" as you are clearly specifying non default options. see "man fstab" for the correct order of the columns |
| 02:42.48 | stew | Stanlin: you seem to have an extra "defaults" and no fstype |
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| 02:45.46 | Stanlin | stew thansk worked now, in the proper order |
| 02:45.59 | Stanlin | stew now im getting this error, when trying to create an directory |
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| 02:46.16 | Stanlin | stew: mkdir: cannot create directory `test.txt': Permission denied |
| 02:46.28 | nsadmin | pwd |
| 02:46.49 | nsadmin | and then df . |
| 02:46.58 | stew | Stanlin: becuase uid=0,gid=0 makes everything appear to be owned by root, you might want to change that to your user's uid/gid and/or use a umask |
| 02:47.18 | Stanlin | stew: oh okis, one sec |
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| 02:49.32 | norkand | My system can't boot anymore. It loops around with "Out of memory" msg and throws out a lot of info about memory. What could be wrong? Syslog is not of much help. |
| 02:49.54 | nsadmin | memory |
| 02:50.26 | Stanlin | stew: it should be a local user, or the user on the remote server? |
| 02:50.49 | norkand | nsadmin: memory is not the problem. i run a dual-os, Vista boots up fine. |
| 02:50.52 | nsadmin | while it's a bit doubtful that your actual memory is damaged, it's probably the first thing to rule out. boot and run memtest86 for a few mins |
| 02:51.06 | stew | Stanlin: however you want the files to appear to be owned by on the local machine |
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| 02:51.54 | nsadmin | norkand then you'll have to remember the last thing you did to change the system... upgrade a sid recently? |
| 02:52.38 | Stanlin | stew: mounts fine and all files looks owned when i use a local user, but still having permission issues |
| 02:54.15 | faffi | what would be the easiest way to map startx to actually do startx;vlock? |
| 02:54.31 | norkand | nsadmin: i am running 'testing' the last thing i did was that i accidentally install base-system from a 'stable' netinst when i was trying to re-install grub. |
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| 02:54.37 | faffi | i dont use a login manager, so if you kill my xsession even with a passworded screensave with ctrl alt backspace, it drops you to a terminal |
| 02:55.24 | norkand | nsadmin: i think that is the source of the problem. |
| 02:56.05 | norkand | nsadmin: i have a backup hd. can i use it to re-install the 'testing' base-system? |
| 02:56.14 | nsadmin | I tend to agree |
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| 02:57.11 | Stanlin | stew my mistake |
| 02:57.49 | supertanker_ | Just out of curiosity, is there a way to use packages from the testing repos if you're using Lenny Stable? |
| 02:58.02 | supertanker_ | is thinking about using Debian for his desktop as well as his server. |
| 02:58.16 | nsadmin | boils some water, puts in beef bulion, carrots, celery, beef chunks, potatos and my mistake |
| 02:59.51 | norkand | nsadmin: that's a neat way to stew a mistake. |
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| 03:00.13 | Thunder | ask nsadmin hmmm is it delicious ? If you want a little cokies lolc buahahahaha |
| 03:00.35 | Thunder | Maybe on some desert :0 |
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| 03:01.29 | supertanker_ | oh duh |
| 03:01.34 | supertanker_ | Just replace "lenny" with testing/unstable? |
| 03:01.38 | supertanker_ | (in apt sources.list) |
| 03:01.39 | supertanker_ | ? |
| 03:02.21 | nsadmin | supertanker_ well you could do approximately that, but if you want to control things when the next release happens use squeeze |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | supertanker_: no |
| 03:02.39 | supertanker_ | nsadmin, ah, okay. |
| 03:02.43 | supertanker_ | abrotman, oh, okay. |
| 03:02.45 | supertanker_ | ... |
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| 03:03.06 | supertanker_ | What is Debian's approximate release cycle? |
| 03:03.09 | norkand | Thunder: desert or dessert? |
| 03:03.28 | Thunder | One other what so ever :) |
| 03:03.41 | abrotman | supertanker_: when it's ready |
| 03:03.41 | supertanker_ | I'm debating if I want to move from Ubuntu to Debian or not, since I'm tired of annoying newbie-oriented-ness that I have to disable. |
| 03:03.42 | Thunder | msple wtf ? |
| 03:03.46 | supertanker_ | abrotman, oh, okay, that works. |
| 03:03.51 | Thunder | Move :) |
| 03:04.02 | Thunder | Ubuntu is a very bad fancy os |
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| 03:04.31 | Thunder | That really break some basic advantages that Linux and *nix os's have over others |
| 03:04.54 | MaartenX | I just installed Debian on my laptop, after trying Ubuntu and Mandriva, I think I like it better. |
| 03:05.02 | Thunder | It is to sloppy it also use commerc soft which is against GNU policy ... |
| 03:05.19 | jetscreamer | they seem to rush it now, imo... not sure about lenny though |
| 03:05.24 | xoz | Thunder: just talk about debian here please. |
| 03:05.36 | Thunder | @<MaartenX> Of course if you want to play whit it :) |
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| 03:05.43 | supertanker_ | I think I'm liking Debian more than I like Ubuntu |
| 03:05.52 | supertanker_ | Ubuntu keeps switching stuff up on me each time I upgrade |
| 03:05.56 | xoz | Thunder: ignore me. |
| 03:05.59 | supertanker_ | I was all pissed when they ditched systemv |
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| 03:06.13 | Thunder | Install tweak ... install other combination of software find what you need and what fit your taste:) |
| 03:06.32 | xoz | supertanker_: debian is the topic here. if you have complaints about ubuntu, talk to their irc. |
| 03:06.32 | Thunder | 22000+ packages :) |
| 03:06.37 | nsadmin | supertanker_ debian testing or unstable will do that too |
| 03:06.46 | supertanker_ | xoz, I already have. I'm thinking aloud here. |
| 03:07.04 | supertanker_ | Whatever I do, though, Debian is definitely staying on my server. |
| 03:07.16 | supertanker_ | If only because I don't want to spend another four days tweaking a chroot env. |
| 03:07.23 | norkand | can i re-install the base system of my current 'system from my backup hd? |
| 03:07.23 | supertanker_ | really liked the straightforward Debian installer. |
| 03:07.26 | xoz | supertanker_: bashing ubuntu here is pointless... that is why we are in debian because we want to use debian. |
| 03:07.34 | supertanker_ | xoz, I'm not bashing, I'm deciding. |
| 03:07.35 | MaartenX | Thunder: I am not a linux expert by any means, but it runs very well on my (older!) laptop..... I still favor my Vista x64 on my desktop in the other room, but I think this laptop will definitely continue to run Debian. It's fast! |
| 03:07.45 | Thunder | @xoz i'm not tryin to flame ... |
| 03:07.50 | Thunder | just makin point |
| 03:07.52 | Thunder | :) |
| 03:07.58 | Thunder | hope understand that |
| 03:08.06 | supertanker_ | I think I'll take that 200GB hard drive and put Debian on it, see how I like it. |
| 03:08.15 | xoz | Thunder: yep. |
| 03:08.37 | norkand | xoz: there is nothing wrong in saying debian is better than another OS. |
| 03:08.40 | supertanker_ | Uh...where *is* that 200gb hard drive? >_> |
| 03:08.48 | supertanker_ | Also, I came in here to ask something else, but I just forgot |
| 03:08.53 | supertanker_ | Give me a minute, it'll come back to me. |
| 03:08.55 | Stanlin | stew thank you bro, its fixed |
| 03:09.03 | Thunder | Why not try maybe also new FreeBSD :) improvments are :) at least interesting |
| 03:09.23 | supertanker_ | Thunder, because I can't get anything but dialup up here. >_> |
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| 03:09.38 | xoz | norkand: debian is better. that's why we are here because we believe so. but it is unfair to say negative against another distro because they are not represented here. |
| 03:09.45 | Thunder | Uh so you cant download it ? |
| 03:09.47 | r0nin | FreeBSD BLAHHHH |
| 03:09.51 | supertanker_ | So naturally an OS switch is rather big for me, because it means I'll be spending at least a day or four downloading, even with the first four Debian CDs |
| 03:10.00 | Thunder | Then order for cheep :) |
| 03:10.03 | supertanker_ | Not to mention figuring out how to use the repos...again... |
| 03:10.10 | supertanker_ | loves apt |
| 03:10.26 | norkand | xoz: doesn't matter. others distros users do the same. |
| 03:10.26 | stew | Stanlin: great |
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| 03:10.56 | MaartenX | supertanker: use the torrents. I had my DVD in about an hour and a half..... but then, I have a 15 Mbit/s line here, and it downloaded at full speed. |
| 03:10.58 | Thunder | Are you tried Slackware ? |
| 03:11.01 | xoz | norkand: let us not state the obvious... and be on topic. |
| 03:11.06 | stew | Thunder: please keep it on-topic |
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| 03:11.26 | Thunder | if you like it configurated :) and with KDE |
| 03:11.38 | norkand | xoz: saying that debian is better than other OS is definitely 'on topic' in #debian. |
| 03:11.47 | supertanker_ | Oh, yes, to break this up |
| 03:11.48 | stew | norkand: you are wrong |
| 03:11.49 | MaartenX | I think I favor Gnome, it seems to respond better/faster. |
| 03:11.50 | supertanker_ | Here's what I came in to ask |
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| 03:11.59 | supertanker_ | What's the actual package name of the mysql client? >_> |
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| 03:12.02 | norkand | stew: no, you are wrong. |
| 03:12.08 | stew | norkand: trust me. I'm not |
| 03:12.10 | supertanker_ | I thought I installed it but it doesn't seem so. |
| 03:12.13 | Thunder | Uh I still need to install on home cpu a lenny |
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| 03:12.31 | norkand | stew: when i say you are, then you are. |
| 03:12.31 | supertanker_ | ...oh you're kididng me |
| 03:12.32 | supertanker_ | Mysql-client |
| 03:12.33 | supertanker_ | facedesks |
| 03:12.36 | stew | norkand: please just stick to debian related topics. if you want to compare various linux OSs do it in ##linux |
| 03:13.00 | supertanker_ | Which is probably on the 3rd or 4rth cd, the ones I haven't burned yet |
| 03:13.04 | supertanker_ | goes to burn those CDs |
| 03:13.05 | Thunder | I still play with etch on one version I even still have solid secured sarge :) but having to many bugs so I need to up it :| |
| 03:13.06 | norkand | stew: saying that debian is better than other OS is definitely 'on topic' in #debian. |
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| 03:13.14 | supertanker_ | Uh |
| 03:13.18 | supertanker_ | I can't find my Debian CDs |
| 03:13.28 | supertanker_ | Oh. |
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| 03:13.45 | Thunder | (05:12:52am) <norkand> stew: no, you are wrong. |
| 03:13.45 | Thunder | (05:12:59am) <stew> norkand: trust me. I'm not |
| 03:13.56 | stew | please drop it and move on |
| 03:13.59 | Thunder | canon fight :) |
| 03:14.15 | supertanker_ | I really don't mean to be rude, or anything, especially since i'm new here and am unknown, but that argumenti s probably the biggest turn-off to Debian I've seen yet. |
| 03:14.20 | Arrowmaster | gets some popcorn |
| 03:14.26 | supertanker_ | Err |
| 03:14.28 | norkand | stew: don't pm me, i prefer to say in the open, whatever i choose to say. |
| 03:14.31 | supertanker_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:14.43 | xoz | ploink |
| 03:14.44 | Arrowmaster | who else saw that coming |
| 03:14.48 | stew | norkand: take a 10 minute break, and pleaes stick to the topic in the future |
| 03:14.53 | supertanker_ | I didn't, but that was very smooth. |
| 03:15.04 | supertanker_ | Okay, now maybe I can get mysql-client working :P |
| 03:15.10 | supertanker_ | goes to burn the other two CDs |
| 03:15.51 | n0mad | Swap_on_video_ram im interested |
| 03:15.56 | Arrowmaster | my client puts anybody that matches *!*@freenode/staff/* in a different color so it was obvious that was coming |
| 03:16.08 | stew | please move on... |
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| 03:16.17 | MaartenX | supertanker_: no dvd burner? |
| 03:16.34 | supertanker_ | MaartenX, I didn't download the DVD images, and my server doesn't have a DVD drive :< |
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| 03:16.46 | maxagaz | what configuration file is affected by gnome-keybinding-properties ? |
| 03:17.04 | supertanker_ | But I might fetch a dvd image for my desktop next time I have access to high speed internets. |
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| 03:17.51 | supertanker_ | I only managed to get Disk 1-4 :S |
| 03:17.58 | supertanker_ | There's what, 29 CD images? |
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| 03:20.53 | Arrowmaster | the cds are setup so the most common packages are on the first cds and the least commonly used on the last, you probably dont need all 29 |
| 03:20.59 | el_b | Can debian 64bits run all 32bit programs in Wine, such as videogames? |
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| 03:21.39 | stew | el_b: the wine packages in amd64 is the same 32bit wine that is in the i386 version of debian, and should behave the same |
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| 03:24.35 | supertanker_ | almost faints with relief |
| 03:24.39 | bigman | hi |
| 03:24.41 | supertanker_ | The mysql-client package is on the fourth CD |
| 03:24.46 | supertanker_ | The last one I managed to download. |
| 03:24.53 | supertanker_ | celebrates a bit with Arrowmaster |
| 03:24.56 | aranyik | how can I troubleshoot my settings if I did everything as "How-To: Set up a LAN gateway with DHCP, Dynamic DNS and iptables on Debian Etch" said. and I still cannot ping the NIC that connects to internet ??? |
| 03:25.40 | bigman | how to install my Sound Blaster Live card in debian 24bits |
| 03:25.44 | Thunder | <maxagaz> what configuration file is affected by gnome-keybinding-properties ? |
| 03:26.06 | Thunder | @ <maxagaz> why not use a gnome configurator ? |
| 03:26.18 | bigman | and try alsaconf |
| 03:26.23 | Thunder | It should have it there ... |
| 03:26.37 | bigman | but alsamixer comes integrated |
| 03:26.40 | maxagaz | Thunder, i need to copy the config files to a few distant computers |
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| 03:27.32 | Thunder | I'm writing thi now from windoz so blah I can't remember it and can't tweak it unless I would now open some virtual debian mashine :) what I do when stay to long on windoza ;) |
| 03:27.51 | nsgn | goodevening. somehow my googling fails me for the best method to mount a samba/cifs share from a windows server read/write. the share is username/password authenticated |
| 03:28.00 | nsgn | new debian user here |
| 03:28.21 | bigman | can someone help me |
| 03:28.41 | mosno | nsgn: `man mount' |
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| 03:29.10 | Dewi | nsgn: it is read-write by default, but you may have to map the ownership to something that is meaningful on your system |
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| 03:29.38 | Dewi | nsgn: otherwise users other than root may not have permission to write |
| 03:29.41 | nsgn | monchi: i've done such. i understand the concept of mount, i just cant seem to tie it to usage for cifs. i've not had to do it from linux before |
| 03:29.56 | nsgn | Dewi: ok. well the issue is less r/w and more i cant get an actual mount to take place |
| 03:30.09 | nsgn | it just throws the initial man page at me as if i've screwed up syntax |
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| 03:31.34 | Dewi | nsgn: I use this - sudo mount -o username=cifsuser,uid=localuser,gid=localuser,filemode=0664,dirmode=0775,iocharset=utf8 //server/share /mnt/mountpoint |
| 03:31.37 | supertanker_ | I find myself really liking debian now |
| 03:31.45 | supertanker_ | plans to download a DVD first chance he gets and roll with it |
| 03:31.49 | nsgn | Dewi: thanks. i'll adapt and try it right now |
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| 03:32.20 | Dewi | nsgn: uid,gid,filemode,dirmode are masks for making the ownership and perms map relatively sanely |
| 03:32.37 | aranyik | could someone help with with dhcp3 and bind9 ? |
| 03:32.42 | Dewi | nsgn: iocharset confirms that my linux machine has a utf8 locale so unicode names will work |
| 03:32.56 | Dewi | (don't use it if you're not on a unicode locale) |
| 03:33.15 | Thunder | @supertanker_ maybe it is easier to order for cheap or to take from some friend that already download it :) |
| 03:33.30 | Thunder | Uh |
| 03:33.34 | supertanker_ | Thunder, nah, I get access to highspeed every few days. |
| 03:33.38 | Thunder | But XDMA advancing :) |
| 03:33.54 | Thunder | so youll get better net :) |
| 03:34.33 | nsgn | Dewi: how is the performance using cifs under debian? this will be fairly high load |
| 03:34.52 | nsgn | Dewi: with expected long uptime and robust error handling |
| 03:35.19 | stew | nsgn: i don't find that I get robust error handling under cifs |
| 03:35.21 | nsgn | Dewi: i know the server can take it. it has been, just never from linux's cifs implementation |
| 03:35.38 | aranyik | like i said, its a DNS server configuration problem |
| 03:35.46 | stew | nsgn: on the production machine where i have to transact with windows i do every transaction twice and compare md5sums, and get mismatches from time to time |
| 03:35.52 | Dewi | nsgn: I dunno. I find it behaves more consistently than windows CIFS, but it's not perfect |
| 03:36.00 | nsgn | stew: thats gross :( |
| 03:36.16 | stew | nsgn: i'm talking about using cifs to read/write to and from a windows macihne |
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| 03:36.30 | nsgn | stew: thats what i'm doing |
| 03:36.37 | Dewi | stew: every few months root gets an email about cifs segfaulting (debian etch) |
| 03:37.01 | stew | Dewi: yes, i've seen stuff like that too |
| 03:37.10 | nsgn | stew: though the actual loss of a bit or two every once in a while isnt the big deal in my situation. i more need solid uptime under heavy read/write activity to many small files |
| 03:37.38 | nsgn | i'm just needing to ensure the whole mount doesnt go down |
| 03:37.42 | stew | nsgn: no i don't find loss of a bit or two, i find large truncation |
| 03:37.55 | stew | nsgn: and yes, i lose the whole mount from time to time |
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| 03:38.03 | nsgn | stew: crapola. how often? |
| 03:38.11 | stew | once a month? i dunno |
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| 03:39.01 | stew | luckly i only have one or two more things left that need to be done on windows on that project, the other hundred things have all moved to linux or wine |
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| 03:41.01 | FireflyST | hello all |
| 03:41.22 | FireflyST | How does one go about putting packages on a USB key to install? |
| 03:41.43 | FireflyST | I just put minimal debian on a laptop with no network card |
| 03:42.38 | nsgn | stew: i got it mounted, but mounted it somewhere stupid? unmount? |
| 03:42.54 | pl4yer0ne | FireflyST, find them on http://debian.org/distrib/packages and then just copy to the usb key. |
| 03:43.17 | stew | FireflyST: you might look at the apt-zip package |
| 03:43.18 | stew | nsgn: sure? |
| 03:43.22 | FireflyST | don't I jhave to format the key first or will it mount fat32? |
| 03:43.32 | FireflyST | err automount and install from fat32? |
| 03:43.46 | nsgn | stew: stuck it smack in /mnt by not paying attention |
| 03:44.09 | nsgn | and i fail at google tonight to figure how to unmount the sucker |
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| 03:44.35 | supertanker_ | nsgn, umount? |
| 03:44.39 | pl4yer0ne | fat32 is ok |
| 03:44.39 | supertanker_ | Note, not unmount |
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| 03:44.50 | nsgn | supertanker_: ah, foiled. thanks |
| 03:44.53 | supertanker_ | np |
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| 03:48.13 | nsgn | supertanker_, stew: thanks. mounting and unmounting nice and clean. reading and writing fine in tests |
| 03:48.35 | sshc | how do I set up alsa to output audio to my new headset? |
| 03:48.44 | nsgn | while you're on a roll, though i could probably successfully google at least this one, any advice for getting it to mount up at startup? |
| 03:48.54 | nsgn | a file to just drop that line in, perhaps? |
| 03:48.59 | supertanker_ | nsgn, /etc/fstab |
| 03:49.02 | stew | nsgn: man fstab |
| 03:49.07 | supertanker_ | man fstab |
| 03:49.10 | supertanker_ | Er, yeah, like he said. |
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| 03:49.20 | nsgn | does |
| 03:49.24 | supertanker_ | By the way, does anyone recall off the top of their head what package fancontrol/pwmconfig is in? |
| 03:49.29 | supertanker_ | googles |
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| 03:56.00 | amitz | in debian lenny, why does rails installed by apt go undetected by gem list --local? |
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| 04:02.18 | icez | Trying to set up xrandr (on a laptop, with ati) to expand the screen to an external monitor. However, if I have my regular xorg.conf, the xrandr command doesn't see two+ outputs. If I remove the xorg.conf file and restart it shows the two outputs, but X acts freaky on the integrated monitor...is there a way to have it scan everything and save an xorg.conf file with the two outputs detected? |
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| 04:06.31 | Akufen | after changing the sudoers file, do I need to restart anything to have it take effect? |
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| 04:08.22 | chuck | how do I fix annoying perl locale errors/notices? |
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| 04:10.10 | amitz | icez: if I remember it rights, it depends on your driver's support |
| 04:11.22 | stew | chuck: aptitude install locales |
| 04:12.18 | chuck | thanks, stew |
| 04:12.38 | icez | amitz, according the debian wiki it does, it's just that my xorg.conf only knows about the integrated monitor |
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| 04:16.07 | supertanker_ | Anyone here good at setting up chroot jails? |
| 04:16.12 | supertanker_ | I have one set up and working nicely |
| 04:16.23 | supertanker_ | But I'd prefer not to have a /proc in it for some reaosn (but SSH doesn't like that) |
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| 04:22.34 | Xenguy | Q. why does sound work fine in one user account, but not in another? This is driving me crazy... |
| 04:22.43 | Xenguy | both accounts are a member of the audio group... |
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| 04:23.10 | Xenguy | I have checked to make sure the 2 accounts are members of the same groups... |
| 04:23.28 | Xenguy | And yet with one account sound works fine, but another it just will not :-( |
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| 04:29.51 | xororand | Xenguy: just in case, have you added one of the users to the audio group and then tried it without logging out and logging in again? |
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| 04:30.18 | xororand | group membership changes only become effective when you log in with the user, Xenguy |
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| 04:32.26 | noppe | how can i get rid off pulseaudio without also removing half of the system because it somehow depends on libpulse0? or at least completely disable pulseaudio and stay happy with just alsa? |
| 04:32.30 | supertanker_ | Where does Debian store its locales? |
| 04:33.02 | supertanker_ | Perl is having toruble finding them in my chroot |
| 04:33.06 | supertanker_ | I want to copy them to my chroot dir |
| 04:33.18 | sshc | Xenguy: I fixed a sound issue by removing my .asoundrc (you still might need yours, though, so mv it instead or completely rm'ing it) |
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| 04:41.56 | supertanker_ | Eh, just out of curiosity |
| 04:42.08 | supertanker_ | How are mysql-server and mysql-client on disk four but subversion is on disk one? |
| 04:42.28 | supertanker_ | Oh, hah, nevermind. |
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| 04:42.33 | supertanker_ | It was ca_certificates that was on disk one |
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| 04:43.10 | xbj_A21m | hi |
| 04:43.40 | xbj_A21m | I see that a lot of pulseaudio stuff is included with an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:44.05 | xbj_A21m | is pulseaudio finally usable or should I expect problems? |
| 04:44.32 | noppe | xbj_A21m: for me it isn't. |
| 04:44.43 | xbj_A21m | isn't usable? |
| 04:44.45 | supertanker_ | xbj_A21m, sorry, we're closed at the moment, come back in thirty minutes. |
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| 04:45.29 | supertanker_ | I mean, hi. :P |
| 04:45.35 | xbj_A21m | lol |
| 04:45.37 | supertanker_ | In all seriousness, xbj_A21m pulseaudio is generally well behaved for me. |
| 04:45.52 | supertanker_ | Although it has crashed a few times and I had to start it manually with pulseaudio &, but it's not major. |
| 04:46.23 | xbj_A21m | well I have a picky laptop and I have to install alsa from source |
| 04:46.31 | supertanker_ | shrugs. |
| 04:46.53 | xbj_A21m | I'm willing to risk it I've just always heard bad things about pulse |
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| 04:48.30 | supertanker_ | xbj_A21m, it does have issues, yes, but I personally think they're a bit blown out of proportion |
| 04:49.23 | noppe | supertanker_: blown out of proportion? in what way? |
| 04:49.26 | pl4yer0ne | i have had no issues at all with pulse |
| 04:49.30 | pl4yer0ne | its awesome |
| 04:49.51 | supertanker_ | noppe, it works fine for me; I think it's just something that people like to jump on the hate bandwagon because they don't want to take the time to figure it out. |
| 04:49.52 | pl4yer0ne | way way more stable than esd or any other replacement |
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| 04:51.47 | noppe | supertanker_: uh, i have no sound on my headset, i have shitty latency on amarok when it's the output plugin instead of alsa. |
| 04:52.15 | xbj_A21m | I only recently finally figured out JACK |
| 04:53.10 | supertanker_ | noppe, I didn't say it worked for everyone. |
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| 04:54.15 | xbj_A21m | oh another thing.. during boot I'm seeing a long list of warnings about configure files now have to end with .config |
| 04:54.21 | noppe | supertanker_: no, just that issues are blown out of proportion because it works fine for you and people love the bandwagon.. |
| 04:55.00 | supertanker_ | Yep. |
| 04:55.07 | supertanker_ | The few people that can't get it to work hate it. |
| 04:55.08 | amphi | xbj_A21m: jack is pleasant |
| 04:55.13 | supertanker_ | I've tried it on several computers and several OSes |
| 04:55.17 | supertanker_ | shrugs |
| 04:55.24 | supertanker_ | Whatever works. |
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| 04:56.37 | amitz | how to make ruby's gems installed via apt-get becomes detected by rubygem? |
| 04:56.44 | amitz | debian lenny |
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| 05:08.13 | DogBoy | amitz, good question |
| 05:08.20 | DogBoy | I was pondering that myself last night |
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| 05:09.19 | amitz | DogBoy: latest talks in #ruby say that I should install ruby from source, |
| 05:09.46 | amitz | or use apt-get but only sticks to existing gems in debian repository, |
| 05:09.47 | DogBoy | yea but that's not recommended from a debian perspective |
| 05:10.07 | DogBoy | I don't know the answer but wish I did |
| 05:10.47 | amitz | DogBoy: they mention that ruby1.9 won't have that problem anymore due to the new non-dependency with irb, etc. |
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| 05:11.16 | amitz | ruby 1.9 is available from backport (i think) but it's not recommended yet from ruby-er perspective. |
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| 05:16.28 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 05:16.28 | dpkg | <www> when i apt-get upgrade, my system wants to update a lot of packages <www> how to avoid that ? |
| 05:17.09 | supertanker_ | .... |
| 05:17.19 | supertanker_ | Please tell me that's a funny quote. |
| 05:17.24 | supertanker_ | Oh, it is. Good :P |
| 05:17.30 | icenine | sounds like he wanted apt-get update . heh |
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| 05:22.48 | jmardonesk | hi all, anyone know what is kdmflush? |
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| 05:23.15 | supertanker_ | jmardonesk, it's the new KDE toilet-flushing applet. |
| 05:23.20 | xbj_A21m | lol |
| 05:23.23 | supertanker_ | You need an IntelliToliet though |
| 05:23.27 | xbj_A21m | well you're almost right |
| 05:23.37 | supertanker_ | :P\ |
| 05:23.46 | xbj_A21m | it's the K destop manager toilet flushing applet |
| 05:23.46 | somnambulant | anyone have experience with prgmr.com's VPS hosting? |
| 05:23.47 | xbj_A21m | ;P |
| 05:23.49 | jmardonesk | and for what is? |
| 05:24.10 | somnambulant | woops is there a debian-offtopic? sorry |
| 05:24.40 | supertanker_ | xbj_A21m, hahaha |
| 05:24.49 | supertanker_ | somnambulant, you could make one if htere isn't. :P |
| 05:25.08 | somnambulant | looks like there is :) |
| 05:25.30 | jmardonesk | ;-) |
| 05:26.50 | adama1 | I have a problem with gnome-terminal... I go to Edit - Current Profile and I get an error box: The file "/usr/share/gnome-terminal/glade/gnome-terminal.glade2" is missing. This indicates that the application is installed incorrectly. ...what can I do? |
| 05:26.50 | streuner__ | jmardonesk: try "apt-cache search kdm |
| 05:27.05 | adama1 | I'm running squeeze.... reinstalling does not help |
| 05:27.12 | adama1 | although! that file gnome-terminal.glade2 does appear in my locate db.. must have been a recent update |
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| 05:28.26 | streuner | amset:/# apt-file search gnome-terminal.glade2 |
| 05:28.27 | streuner | gnome-terminal-data: /usr/share/gnome-terminal/glade/gnome-terminal.glade2 |
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| 05:31.30 | adama1 | aptitude reinstall gnome-terminal-data ...did not create that file |
| 05:31.48 | adama1 | the glade dir is missing |
| 05:32.01 | streuner | what does "dpkg -l gnome-terminal-data" say? |
| 05:33.02 | adama1 | version is 2.24.3-3 .. what info are you looking for? |
| 05:33.16 | adama1 | it says Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 05:33.50 | adama1 | what does that stuff mean? looks not-good |
| 05:34.12 | streuner | nm |
| 05:34.22 | streuner | i got the same |
| 05:34.51 | streuner | amset:/# ls -l /usr/share/gnome-terminal/glade/gnome-terminal.glade2 - ls: Zugriff auf /usr/share/gnome-terminal/glade/gnome-terminal.glade2 nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 05:34.57 | roe | anyone able to shed a bit more light on this problem: http://www.nabble.com/Can't-print-print-in-gnome-2.22-after-upgrading-etch->>-lenny-to22496586.html#a22496586 |
| 05:35.15 | dominikh_ | hmm, what is easier way to make statisticpage from a big pile of apache2's logfiles. I have access.log and many access.log.*.gz's |
| 05:35.25 | streuner | ii gnome-terminal 2.24.3-3 Data files for the GNOME terminal emulator |
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| 05:36.05 | xbj_A21m | adama1, this doesn't address your poblem but I would suggest trying rxvt-unicode for a terminal |
| 05:36.17 | adama1 | streuner: can you use "edit - Current Profile" ? |
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| 05:37.04 | adama1 | xbj_A21m: why? |
| 05:37.09 | streuner | yep |
| 05:37.28 | xbj_A21m | adama1 as far as I can tell it's faster/lighter/more featured |
| 05:37.49 | adama1 | huh... maybe it's cause I just upgraded and I need to re-start the gnome terminal process.. it's still running the older version |
| 05:37.57 | adama1 | aha,yes |
| 05:38.06 | adama1 | the about box says version 2.22.3 |
| 05:38.14 | adama1 | doh |
| 05:39.04 | xbj_A21m | adama1 here's my urxvt with transparency and screen |
| 05:39.07 | xbj_A21m | http://electronicplaygirl.com/Linux/screenshots/colorprompts_screen.png |
| 05:39.34 | adama1 | excellent, all good now |
| 05:39.37 | adama1 | false alarm |
| 05:44.58 | somnambulant | xbj_A21m: you like e107? |
| 05:45.58 | xbj_A21m | oh |
| 05:46.02 | xbj_A21m | yeah pretty much |
| 05:46.46 | xbj_A21m | it's control panel seems not so well laid out |
| 05:46.46 | xbj_A21m | but my site is simple |
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| 05:47.27 | somnambulant | yeah looks like you are essentially using it as a blog |
| 05:47.43 | xbj_A21m | yeah |
| 05:48.06 | xbj_A21m | e107 was easy to setup though |
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| 05:48.21 | xbj_A21m | I can't really compare it to any other CMS because I haven't used any |
| 05:48.31 | xbj_A21m | but it was a lot eaier than setting up XMB forums |
| 05:48.39 | xbj_A21m | easier |
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| 05:49.08 | xbj_A21m | I just haven't done much with it |
| 05:49.23 | nite613 | I'm running pppd in a hub and spoke VPN environment and I am having a problem with long-standing connections losing their proxy-arp entries. Anyone know under what circumstances these entries would disappear? |
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| 05:50.57 | nite613 | I've found several threads about a bug where pppd fails to remove a proxy arp entry in an older version, but this is the opposite. The link is up, but the server is no longer doing proxy-arp for the client IP |
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| 05:51.40 | ghang | hi , i would like to know , how can i mount my ISO file or *folder to become a CDROM Drive |
| 05:52.00 | nite613 | mount -o loop ./file.iso /mnt |
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| 05:52.29 | xbj_A21m | yeah ghang you may want to create a mountpoint for it first though |
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| 05:52.36 | tekron | Hey ppl. |
| 05:52.38 | xbj_A21m | mkdir /mnt/iso |
| 05:52.39 | tekron | Quick question: |
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| 05:53.02 | tekron | How do you get the list of installed packages on one Debian machine, and use the same list to install the same package loadout on another machine? |
| 05:53.03 | ghang | i have a mount point but how to make it become a drive but not a folder ? |
| 05:53.22 | amitz | DogBoy: I have confirmed that installing ruby1.9 and rubygem1.9 from debian repository, and let rubygems1.9 manage gems, works. |
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| 05:56.02 | nite613 | tekron: dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections |
| 05:57.07 | mizan | hi |
| 05:58.03 | spersaud | hello mizan welcome how may we help you today ? |
| 05:58.10 | spersaud | :p |
| 05:58.18 | xbj_A21m | ghang I think you have to set iso9660 |
| 05:58.20 | xbj_A21m | like |
| 05:58.27 | ghang | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.30 | xbj_A21m | mount -t iso9660 -o loop image.iso /media/ISO |
| 05:58.34 | xbj_A21m | yeah |
| 05:58.51 | ghang | but i would like to mount as a drive but not a folder so my apt-get can detect it |
| 05:58.58 | mizan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:59.19 | mizan | were r u sp |
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| 05:59.39 | dominikh_ | how you can make many text file into one text file? |
| 05:59.43 | roe | anyone have a clue why I can't print from gtk apps to a remote cups server but I can from qt apps? |
| 05:59.43 | spersaud | mizan: nyc |
| 06:00.28 | mizan | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.35 | xoz | ghang: deb file:/// |
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| 06:00.49 | spersaud | mizan: why do you need my name ? |
| 06:00.49 | ghang | xoz: ? |
| 06:00.52 | xbj_A21m | ghang yes, edit your sources.list |
| 06:00.59 | ghang | o |
| 06:01.02 | ghang | let me try |
| 06:01.06 | xoz | ghang: man sources.list |
| 06:01.18 | spersaud | dominikh_: cat file1 file2 file3 > outfile |
| 06:01.21 | mizan | nic name is heart |
| 06:01.24 | dominikh_ | spersaud: thanks |
| 06:02.03 | xoz | dominikh_: or paste if you want to join in columns |
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| 06:02.11 | ghang | # deb /mnt/iso1/ lenny contrib main |
| 06:02.12 | ghang | deb file:///mnt/iso1/ lenny main contrib |
| 06:02.12 | ghang | deb file:///mnt/iso2/ lenny main contrib |
| 06:02.12 | ghang | deb file:///mnt/iso3/ lenny main contrib |
| 06:02.12 | ghang | deb file:///mnt/iso4/ lenny main contrib |
| 06:02.12 | ghang | deb file:///mnt/iso5/ lenny main contrib |
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| 06:02.41 | mizan | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.59 | ghang | deb file:///mnt/iso1/ lenny main contrib (how about like that for apt-get source list from iso ) |
| 06:03.19 | xoz | ghang: as long as it is accessible as a file. |
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| 06:03.54 | xoz | ghang: deb file:/mnt/iso1 .... |
| 06:04.43 | xoz | ghang: no / after iso1 i think. |
| 06:05.16 | xbj_A21m | ghang I suppose you could even put that iso in your fstab for future usage |
| 06:05.26 | xbj_A21m | but maybe I'm wrong |
| 06:05.31 | ghang | erm ... not all success , 70 % show Ign file: lenny/contrib Packages |
| 06:05.45 | ghang | directly put iso without mount ? |
| 06:05.52 | xoz | ghang: remove the slash after iso1 |
| 06:06.04 | ghang | yep , already remove but the same |
| 06:06.19 | xoz | ghang: deb file:/mnt/iso1 lenny main contrib? |
| 06:06.20 | ghang | deb file:/mnt/iso1 lenny main contrib (this is now) |
| 06:06.28 | ghang | yeah |
| 06:06.47 | xoz | ghang: you may need deb file:/mnt/iso1/debian lenny .... |
| 06:06.57 | xoz | ghang: check the directory structure |
| 06:07.13 | ghang | i need to go to the folder with all deb package ? |
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| 06:07.45 | ghang | cost i am using DVD to instal amd64 version, is very hard to use apt with 5 DVD changing non stop |
| 06:08.01 | ghang | thats why i am trying to mount ISO as a CD-drive to do it |
| 06:08.32 | ghang | so i should copy and paste all the deb package in one folder and then edit the source.list ? |
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| 06:10.01 | xbj_A21m | no ghang I think he means you need to find out the correct path used in the iso |
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| 06:11.22 | ghang | i will try it :D thanks everyone !!!!!! |
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| 06:12.24 | xoz | ghang: try adding debian after iso1 |
| 06:12.39 | xoz | ghang: like deb file:/mnt/iso1/debian lenny ... |
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| 06:13.55 | ghang | it was still happen the Ign file |
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| 06:14.13 | ghang | well i will try to copy all the deb out then apt- file to the deb folder |
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| 06:17.28 | owen1 | i get "550 failed to open file" when trying to get a file from with vsftpd. any clues? |
| 06:17.50 | nite613 | permissions? |
| 06:18.11 | nite613 | Check what vsftpd is running as with ps au |
| 06:18.51 | icenine | what does everyone here use for remote torrent downloads? rtorrent + screen? |
| 06:18.54 | owen1 | i run the sudo /etc/init.d/vsftpd start inside a folder with 777- |
| 06:19.07 | icenine | I don't want anything too elaborate.. I'm thinking rtorrent would be nice and simple |
| 06:19.20 | icenine | owen1: hes talking about the perms on the file you're trying to retrieve |
| 06:19.27 | icenine | ls -l /thatfile |
| 06:20.16 | icenine | it doesn't matter if you use sudo to start vsftpd, it can easily change users to any user on the system, probably ftp or vsftpd, if you're having a permissions issue. |
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| 06:21.33 | xoz | icenine: transmission |
| 06:22.02 | owen1 | nite613: i changed the file to 777, but get the same error. |
| 06:22.03 | icenine | xoz: thanks, checkin it |
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| 06:22.44 | icenine | heh, it's very mac. |
| 06:22.49 | icenine | i need soemthing without a gui ;d |
| 06:23.05 | xoz | icenine: transmission-cli |
| 06:23.08 | icenine | sweet |
| 06:23.09 | xbj_A21m | transmission-cli |
| 06:23.09 | xbj_A21m | :p |
| 06:23.12 | icenine | i'll definitely bust it out |
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| 06:23.23 | owen1 | icenine: should i try running it without sudo? |
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| 06:23.55 | icenine | owen1: no, you should change the permissions of the file you are trying to retrieve on the remote machine. there are likely no problems with your vsftpd. check the logs in var log for errors though. |
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| 06:24.12 | icenine | /var/log * |
| 06:24.29 | owen1 | icenine: [ftp] FAIL DOWNLOAD: Client "192.168.1.3", "/test.png", 0.00Kbyte/sec |
| 06:25.01 | icenine | tats the file you get the 550 on? |
| 06:25.16 | icenine | ls -l /test.png on the remote machine, what are the permissions |
| 06:25.23 | owen1 | icenine: yes. and i chmod 777 |
| 06:25.31 | icenine | oh |
| 06:25.36 | icenine | ls -l it anywasy |
| 06:25.42 | icenine | paste the line |
| 06:26.19 | icenine | also ps auxw | grep vsftpd and tell me which user vsftpd is running as |
| 06:26.27 | owen1 | icenine: -rwxrwxrwx 1 oren oren 240467 2009-03-28 23:39 test.png |
| 06:26.54 | icenine | what user is vsftpd running as, and what directory is the file in, and what are the permissions on that directory |
| 06:26.56 | owen1 | icenine: root 29134 0.0 0.0 3772 964 ? S 23:05 0:00 /usr/sbin/vsftpd |
| 06:27.00 | icenine | ok |
| 06:27.30 | owen1 | icenine: i put the file in the folder ~/ftp_upload and gave it 777 |
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| 06:28.29 | daNoob | Can anyone help me with the next problem? |
| 06:28.30 | daNoob | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 06:28.39 | icenine | if the process is root, i don't know what to say. it's probably an issue with the vsftpd config |
| 06:28.57 | icenine | um, perhaps it has to do with which user you are retreiving it as |
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| 06:29.05 | icenine | are you logging into the ftp as anonymous, root, or what |
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| 06:29.13 | owen1 | icenine: anonymous |
| 06:29.27 | icenine | ~ is ~owen1, am i right? |
| 06:29.57 | owen1 | icenine: not sure i understand this question. |
| 06:30.18 | icenine | the server is not your user, it's root and then it switches to different users based on which user requests a file |
| 06:30.19 | owen1 | icenine: i try to connect from a laptop on the same network. |
| 06:30.28 | icenine | that's irrelevant |
| 06:30.30 | icenine | heh |
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| 06:30.47 | icenine | when you say ~ it changes when you change users |
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| 06:31.05 | daNoob | How do I run 'dpkg --configure -a'? |
| 06:31.11 | icenine | to solve your problem you need to know which user the server triest to access a file as when you log in as anonymous |
| 06:31.21 | icenine | so open the configs and try to figure that out |
| 06:31.40 | icenine | then change the permissions on ~owen1/vsftpd_folder/ appropriately |
| 06:31.40 | owen1 | icenine: i control both the server and the client, btw. |
| 06:31.44 | icenine | that's fine |
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| 06:32.23 | icenine | ftp servers are a bitch |
| 06:32.27 | icenine | but if you must |
| 06:32.49 | tekron | nite613: thanks for the response |
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| 06:33.14 | icenine | ls -ld ~/vsftpd_folder |
| 06:33.19 | icenine | what are the permissions on that folder |
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| 06:33.40 | cydork | daNoob: type that as root |
| 06:33.49 | owen1 | icenine: drwxrwxrwx 2 oren oren 4096 2009-03-30 23:07 ftp_uploads/ |
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| 06:34.36 | daNoob | hmm... : -bash: root: command not found |
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| 06:35.43 | daNoob | fixed it... reloged in as root thanks |
| 06:35.49 | icenine | that's not good |
| 06:36.06 | icenine | you might be able to set the verbosity of the logs higher in the config file |
| 06:36.07 | icenine | try that |
| 06:36.10 | icenine | you can get more info |
| 06:37.01 | owen1 | icenine: awesome. i'll look for it in the vsftpd man file. |
| 06:37.42 | icenine | if you're setting up a personal ftp, i might recommend using ssh instead ;) |
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| 06:39.25 | owen1 | icenine: i want to allow many clients machine to upload files to my server. |
| 06:39.45 | owen1 | icenine: isn't it a classic usecase for ftp? |
| 06:40.01 | icenine | yeah, but ftp servers are difficult to configure securely |
| 06:40.26 | icenine | and don't even think about using anonymous upload ;d |
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| 06:41.30 | owen1 | icenine: is it possible to write a client app (no UI) that upload a file with ssh to my server? |
| 06:42.00 | owen1 | icenine: from multiple clients without asking the user for user/pass? |
| 06:42.28 | Blime | owen1: are they just random clients? or machines you control? |
| 06:42.46 | owen1 | Blime: random |
| 06:42.49 | SPF | I would use an expect script if possible |
| 06:44.20 | Blime | owen1: i was going to recommend a pre-shared ssh key setup, and script the 'scp' or 'sftp' commands |
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| 06:45.06 | owen1 | Blime: can i use this pre-shared key on any client machine with no user intervention? |
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| 06:46.05 | Blime | owen1: lol, if you detail them on how to setup pre-shared ssh keys |
| 06:46.41 | owen1 | Blime: i can't automate the creation of pre-shared keys as part of my app/script? |
| 06:46.55 | Blime | owne1: i guess you could |
| 06:47.12 | owen1 | Blime: sorry if it's stupid question. i don't know what pre-shared keys really means... |
| 06:47.23 | Blime | owen1: are they being given usernames and passwords? or is this supposed to be anonymous? |
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| 06:48.30 | Blime | owen1: client creates a key, sends it to server, server allows password-less authentication because that client's key somehow made its way onto the server. it's a good concept for scripting |
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| 06:49.27 | owen1 | Blime: cool. i don't think i need user/pass for clients. all i need is a way to identify which file was sent from which client. |
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| 06:51.07 | owen1 | Blime: i thought ftp would be easier.. |
| 06:51.16 | Blime | owen1: it might be |
| 06:52.05 | roe | I am trying to install libgtk2.0-0 from sqeeze on a lenny system. I do apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0 and it shows me the version currently installed is 2.12.11-4 and the version in squeeze is 2.14.7-5 0 however apt-get -t squeeze install libgtk2.0-0 returns " libgtk2.0-0 is already the newest version" |
| 06:52.37 | klaz168 | /dev/tcp is disabled in debian? |
| 06:52.59 | owen1 | Blime: and every windows/linux machine have ftp client built in, that i can use from a batch file. |
| 06:53.05 | digitaloktay | hi peope |
| 06:53.09 | digitaloktay | people :) |
| 06:53.20 | owen1 | Blime: which might not be true for ssh on windows. |
| 06:53.20 | digitaloktay | is ftp.us.debian.org down? |
| 06:54.02 | Blime | owen1: yeah. well i don't know much about ftp server apps, so i'm out |
| 06:54.20 | owen1 | Blime: thanks for the help! |
| 06:54.33 | klaz168 | digitalmortician, no its not |
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| 06:56.20 | klaz168 | is bash compiled under debian with --disable-net-redirections? can someone confirm? |
| 06:56.24 | digitaloktay | OK http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/non-free Packages/DiffIndex |
| 06:56.25 | digitaloktay | 73% [Waiting.....] |
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| 06:59.00 | Metatron | is there a way to modify the menu when you right click an item in the tray? i want to add a "kill 9" next to close |
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| 06:59.43 | Blime | Metatron: are you using gnome or kde? |
| 07:00.02 | Metatron | gnome |
| 07:00.24 | Blime | try System > Preferences > Main menu |
| 07:00.31 | Metatron | k |
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| 07:01.49 | Metatron | dont have that option, have menu's and toolbars, nothing obvious there |
| 07:02.03 | Outh9X | I just upgraded to Lenny from Etch and it will not let me into Gnome |
| 07:02.14 | Outh9X | says go to www.x.org? |
| 07:02.33 | Blime | Metatron: i dunno man |
| 07:02.37 | Metatron | thats bad, im upgrading to lenny as we speak |
| 07:02.41 | Outh9X | I am working from a "virtual terminal" right now? Really weird. |
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| 07:03.03 | pl4yer0ne | Metatron, where do you want this kill to be? |
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| 07:03.35 | pl4yer0ne | Outh9X, do you use nvidia or ati drivers from their website? |
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| 07:03.48 | Metatron | when you right click an item in the...im calling it a task bar, where windows go when you min them |
| 07:04.16 | pl4yer0ne | so when you click a programs icon thingy in the bar at the bottom |
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| 07:05.04 | Metatron | yes, there is a close option there, but a hung app wont respond to it |
| 07:05.49 | pl4yer0ne | i dont know for sure but give me a moment |
| 07:05.57 | Metatron | maybe its called a title bar |
| 07:06.17 | owen1 | icenine: any idea why i get connection refused when trying to connect with my external ip, but i manage to connect using 192.168.1.2 (internal ip)? |
| 07:06.21 | JJoliver | Hi everyone, quick question, I'm doing my first debian install ever, and I clicked no when it asked to use mirrors (my internet connection is 2KB/s via satellite, I'm working for an NGO in the bush of Uganda) so why is it that under the install it's saying Select and install software, retrieving file 1 of 2 (12d10h51m15s)? that presumably is it trying to download something? |
| 07:06.35 | Outh9X | I think it might have something to do with the ati. I am cluess how to get the info or the drivers though...this is going to be "fun" haha |
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| 07:07.35 | JJoliver | The problem is that I don't have the power to run the computer non stop while it d'l's a big file, we rely on Solar energy and when it gets dark that means no power. |
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| 07:09.11 | JJoliver | If I just unplug the network cable, that would presumably stop the download, but will that halt the install? |
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| 07:09.21 | Thunder | ) <JJoliver> The problem is that I don't have the power to run the computer non stop while it d'l's a big file, we rely on Solar energy and when it gets dark that means no power. |
| 07:09.27 | Thunder | hehe blackout |
| 07:09.32 | pl4yer0ne | Metatron, I -think- you may be able to do what you want through gconf editing. But its not for the weak willed |
| 07:09.42 | JJoliver | Thunder: Literally |
| 07:09.43 | Metatron | ok ill try that |
| 07:09.45 | Thunder | is there a Megatron ? |
| 07:09.49 | Thunder | around |
| 07:09.55 | Thunder | !seen megatron |
| 07:09.56 | dpkg | Thunder: i haven't seen 'megatron' |
| 07:10.02 | Thunder | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.06 | JJoliver | Thunder: do you know what it is trying to download? |
| 07:10.10 | Metatron | and JJoliver i think if you uplug the cable it should recover |
| 07:10.24 | JJoliver | Metatron: thanks |
| 07:10.48 | Metatron | but later you will have to add those sources back for updates and such |
| 07:11.01 | Outh9X | How do I switch virtual terminals? You know, like workspaces in Gnome? |
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| 07:11.12 | Thunder | !seen e I just jump in conversation didn't read it yet ... just some hmmm funny line throw :) hope you understand if you don't i don't care ;) lolc |
| 07:11.13 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'e i just jump in conversation didn't read it yet ... just some hmmm funny line throw :) hope you understand if you don't i don't care ;) lolc', Thunder |
| 07:11.16 | JJoliver | Metatron: any updates I'll do I'll have to download with a download manager and burn to CD . . . |
| 07:11.23 | Thunder | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.31 | Thunder | !seen galvatron |
| 07:11.31 | dpkg | Thunder: i haven't seen 'galvatron' |
| 07:11.43 | simonrvn | JJoliver: it'd be a big bunch of small files, not so much a big file (though there are going to be some, like the linux-image and linux-headers .debs) |
| 07:11.45 | Metatron | Outh9X, you mean desktops or terminals, desktops you click the area at the bottom right, comes with 4 desktops default |
| 07:11.51 | Thunder | hehe |
| 07:11.51 | Metatron | JJoliver, thatll work |
| 07:11.53 | simonrvn | Thunder: quit it |
| 07:12.04 | Prpl | Anyone know of any good books from the eighteenth century (1700's)? |
| 07:12.10 | Metatron | JJoliver, just read on how to make your sources.list point to folders |
| 07:12.13 | JJoliver | Metatron: Thanks. |
| 07:12.34 | JJoliver | Metatron: I'll get a friend to tell me how to do that. |
| 07:13.06 | Metatron | be careful if it gets half way thru the headers or a kernal image, it can make it not boot |
| 07:13.12 | JJoliver | Metatron: I'm a nurse that has no real IT experience, and I'm now in charge of the 100+ computers this Hospital has . . . |
| 07:13.13 | pl4yer0ne | later guys |
| 07:13.15 | Outh9X | Oh no, I don't even have a desktop (like Gnome) after my Lenny upgrade. I am working form the terminal...it's really weird...I am using Links2 text browser to "surf the internet". |
| 07:13.24 | Galvatron | hehe how are you metatron :) |
| 07:13.27 | Outh9X | hehe |
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| 07:13.35 | Galvatron | Decepticons ;) |
| 07:13.55 | Metatron | lemme think i used to know how to switch tty terminals with keyboard |
| 07:13.56 | Outh9X | I just need to get back to a terminal and still stay in irssi. |
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| 07:14.56 | Metatron | try ctrl alt f1 (f1 - f6) |
| 07:15.11 | elik | Outh9X, screen |
| 07:15.18 | Metatron | Galvatron, tired, waiting on a lenny upgrade |
| 07:15.22 | Outh9X | I thought it was Alt-F1 -> Alt-F7 or something |
| 07:15.23 | Outh9X | k |
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| 07:15.34 | Outh9X | ls |
| 07:15.39 | Outh9X | sorry |
| 07:15.54 | Outh9X | screen |
| 07:15.58 | maxxer | hi. where can i get 4.0r7 dvds? with jigdo maybe? |
| 07:16.45 | Metatron | yeah install screen |
| 07:17.50 | simonrvn | alt-FXX if it's just console... you need ctrl only when you're switching to/from an xserver... |
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| 07:20.45 | Outh9X | alt-F1 -> alt F12 is not working...I'll keep trying...I can access my of my apps, it's just a "virtual terminal" I think they call it... |
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| 07:31.04 | Decepticon | Galvatron :) |
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| 07:32.10 | Outh9x | Ok, issued startx command and got 2 Error Messages: |
| 07:32.16 | Outh9x | 1) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist 0) |
| 07:32.19 | thermoman | Faithful: thanks very much, this is really what i was looking for |
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| 07:32.21 | Outh9x | 2) No Drivers Available |
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| 07:32.47 | Outh9x | later on down the page it states: Fatal Server error: no screens found. |
| 07:34.34 | JJoliver | Does CD1 of the debian install come with a GUI? |
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| 07:35.12 | Outh9x | yeah, I think it at least comes with twm. |
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| 07:35.27 | Outh9x | not sure about gnome |
| 07:35.44 | ShredZ | How do I let the clock adjust to daylight savings automatically without ntp ? |
| 07:36.09 | JJoliver | Outh9x: how do I load them from the text only login |
| 07:36.09 | JJoliver | ? |
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| 07:37.03 | Outh9x | hehe, i'm text only now...have you installed the base install yet? |
| 07:37.24 | Outh9x | JJoliver: from CD1? |
| 07:37.33 | JJoliver | Yeah I think so, this is my first install. But yeah |
| 07:37.37 | JJoliver | from CD1 |
| 07:38.15 | Outh9x | JJoliver: login and issue "startx" without the qoutes and see what happens |
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| 07:40.51 | Galvatron | recommending "Kevin mitnick - The Art of Deception " |
| 07:41.01 | Galvatron | for all decepticons :))) |
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| 07:41.21 | Decepticon | :) |
| 07:41.21 | Galvatron | and other cons |
| 07:41.28 | Galvatron | or pros maybe:) |
| 07:41.36 | Galvatron | hehe :) |
| 07:42.20 | Galvatron | give a beer to <Decepticon> to refresh a gears and engines |
| 07:42.23 | Galvatron | :) |
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| 07:53.51 | JJoliver | anyone know how to set up twm? |
| 07:53.56 | sobersabre | hi. |
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| 07:54.22 | sobersabre | I've asked earlier, and fell asleep. what's the functional difference between aptitude dist-upgrade vs. apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 07:54.23 | JJoliver | hi sobersabre |
| 07:54.37 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: different problem resolver, and a few other minor things |
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| 07:55.04 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro: I am noticing that via aptitude I have always more packages "removed" each dist-upgrade. |
| 07:55.14 | sobersabre | is it a diff approach ? |
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| 07:55.21 | sobersabre | what's the idea ? |
| 07:55.45 | Zvpun | How can I see the boot messages? Once X starts up I dont know how to read them anymore. |
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| 07:55.56 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: that's often because they've been marked as automatically installed, so aptitude notices if nothing depends on them, and removes them |
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| 07:56.42 | sobersabre | the q. is if, say nobody except me uses zip, why won't aptitude decide nobody depends on it ? |
| 07:56.46 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 07:57.07 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: if it's marked as manually installed, aptitude wont remove it |
| 07:57.08 | sobersabre | my usual response to "these packages will be removed" is "WTF?!" |
| 07:57.18 | ethanol | Mornin' all |
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| 07:57.31 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro: ok, but you've answered my Q's thanks a lot! |
| 07:57.33 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: in general, if theres a package that it's going to remove and you want it to be installed, mark it as manually installed |
| 07:57.49 | sobersabre | int /etc/apt/preferences ? |
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| 07:57.52 | sobersabre | or where ? |
| 07:57.54 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: in some other cases, though, the only way to actually upgrade packages is to remove some, and in unstable, it's not always the case. |
| 07:58.04 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: aptitude unmarkauto foopkg; man aptitude; for details |
| 07:58.09 | sobersabre | ok |
| 07:58.11 | sobersabre | nice. |
| 07:58.15 | sobersabre | wrote it down. |
| 07:59.20 | JJoliver | Okay, I've installed from CD1 of the debian installs, and I can't load up a GUI. Any suggestions? |
| 08:00.02 | JJoliver | when I try twm i get "twm: unable to opne display " " " |
| 08:00.30 | dondelelcaro | JJoliver: does X start at all? |
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| 08:00.47 | JJoliver | dondelelcaro: when you say X is X a gui?! |
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| 08:01.00 | JJoliver | dondelelcaro: this is my first time with Linux |
| 08:01.05 | dondelelcaro | JJoliver: X is the X server. It's what you'd have twm or similar display in |
| 08:01.30 | JJoliver | I have logged in and am at # if that helps |
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| 08:01.49 | dondelelcaro | JJoliver: ok; if it's your first time, I suggest that you install gnome and xorg; (if you know that you want twm, you can just install xorg) |
| 08:02.17 | JJoliver | sure, don't suppose they are on CD1? |
| 08:02.24 | dondelelcaro | JJoliver: yes, they're all on the first CD |
| 08:02.34 | JJoliver | So how do i install them from CD1? |
| 08:02.48 | dondelelcaro | JJoliver: just run aptitude install gnome xorg; it'll prompt you to insert the CD. |
| 08:02.59 | dondelelcaro | (if the cd isn't already in the drive, of course) |
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| 08:05.59 | Xilent | +6- |
| 08:06.06 | JJoliver | Okay I'm back at # |
| 08:06.18 | JJoliver | how do get it to load gnome? |
| 08:06.19 | Seb | are XV extensions supposed to be present with the open-source nv driver ? xvinfo doesn't seem to find any |
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| 08:07.26 | i5513 | hi people, I have a 'aptitude' question |
| 08:07.52 | ploceidae | we'll be happy to help |
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| 08:08.22 | nsadmin | when you ask it... |
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| 08:08.59 | ploceidae | give him a few minutes, man. he might be on a virtual keyboard for all we know! |
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| 08:09.47 | JJoliver | dondelelcaro: I'm back at # and don't know how to start gnome |
| 08:10.01 | nsadmin | you can look at this as my own personal weakness... but I can't really hang |
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| 08:10.34 | ploceidae | nsadmin, i understand. |
| 08:10.52 | dondelelcaro | JJoliver: ok, log in as a normal user (not root; the user you created when you installed debian) and run startx |
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| 08:11.48 | dominiks | morning.. is there any DD from Slovakia please? |
| 08:11.51 | JJoliver | Is there a way to get a list of the usernames? |
| 08:12.14 | JJoliver | and it's come up with a rather retro fuzzy screen, I think it's not working properly. |
| 08:12.14 | JJoliver | :) |
| 08:12.24 | ploceidae | less /etc/passwd |
| 08:12.26 | _Pete_ | JJoliver: usernames are stored in /etc/passwd |
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| 08:12.59 | dondelelcaro | getent passwd|awk -F: '{print $1}' |
| 08:13.08 | streuner | dominiks: db.debian.org and choose slovakia? |
| 08:13.25 | dondelelcaro | dominiks: are you trying to get your key signed? |
| 08:13.29 | dominiks | streuner: thanks for tip.. |
| 08:13.56 | dominiks | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 08:14.05 | dondelelcaro | dominiks: https://nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php |
| 08:14.56 | dominiks | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 08:14.58 | i5513 | The aptitude question is: |
| 08:15.01 | i5513 | aptitude search '?and(?version(2\.24),?name(^gnome$),?archive("unstable"))' |
| 08:15.14 | JJoliver | dondelelcaro: Okay have the right details, have typed startx from user not root and still get a psychodelic background of colourful fuzz. |
| 08:15.16 | i5513 | p gnome - The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components |
| 08:16.00 | dondelelcaro | JJoliver: is it just grey? does the mouse move? |
| 08:16.20 | dondelelcaro | i5513: what about it? |
| 08:16.26 | nsadmin | and your question about that is? |
| 08:16.27 | JJoliver | dondelelcaro: I also get a grey box where if I left click a menu pops up and disappears as soon as I let go of the button, the mouse does move. |
| 08:16.38 | i5513 | when gnome 2.24 is in experimental, is it a bug in aptitude code , or I'm losing any search concept at ? |
| 08:17.10 | dondelelcaro | i5513: it doesn't return anything here |
| 08:17.26 | Zvpun | How can I see the boot messages? Once X starts up I dont know how to read them anymore. |
| 08:17.45 | nsadmin | i5513 perhaps you have experimental sources? |
| 08:18.08 | JJoliver | Okay dondelelcaro now there is a TWM Icon Manager . . . but nothing in it, a small green box full of nothing . . . |
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| 08:18.32 | dondelelcaro | JJoliver: ok, you're running twm, which probably isn't what you want |
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| 08:19.36 | ploceidae | startx /usr/bin/gnome-session |
| 08:20.40 | nsadmin | dondelelcaro do you have experimental sources? |
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| 08:20.53 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: yes |
| 08:21.08 | nsadmin | hmm, interesting... what's the tail of the line? |
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| 08:21.25 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: tail of which line? |
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| 08:21.41 | nsadmin | the experimental source line, after the word experimental |
| 08:21.52 | dondelelcaro | uh... obviously it has main in it |
| 08:21.59 | nsadmin | sure |
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| 08:22.04 | nsadmin | anything else? |
| 08:22.09 | dondelelcaro | why are you asking me? |
| 08:22.18 | i5513 | then is it normal ? |
| 08:22.29 | nsadmin | to make comparisons between your result and his |
| 08:22.46 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: that wouldn't affect it; the only thing that maters is the apt-cache policy output |
| 08:22.49 | Seb | is there a better channel to ask about the open-source nv xorg driver and XV extensions ? :) |
| 08:22.49 | i5513 | I thought aptitude should return nothing because of '?archive("unstable") |
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| 08:23.22 | nsadmin | i5513: if you have a source line referring to experimental, could you show it please? |
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| 08:24.04 | dondelelcaro | the output of apt-cache policy gnome; is all that needs to be seen |
| 08:24.09 | nsadmin | i5513: my current hypothesis is that while the maint put this version in experimental, he may have marked it as unstable |
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| 08:26.28 | JyZyXEL | hmm this feels like a good day for some Etch to Lenny upgrading |
| 08:26.49 | Adrian` | i dunno yesturday worked well for me |
| 08:27.12 | i5513 | nsadmin: my sources.list include: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free |
| 08:27.14 | JyZyXEL | but if you read the release notes they pretty much predict that the day you do Etch to Lenny is gonna be a bad day |
| 08:27.41 | i5513 | aptitude search then in changelog ? |
| 08:27.54 | Adrian` | JyZyXEL, fresh installs ;) |
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| 08:29.09 | JyZyXEL | Adrian noooo |
| 08:29.12 | nsadmin | dondelelcaro as you can see, he has non-free and contrib in his sources... do you also have both on your experimental line? |
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| 08:30.12 | nsadmin | if the answer is no, that would account for the difference in output |
| 08:30.28 | dondelelcaro | uh, no, it wouldn't |
| 08:30.41 | dondelelcaro | gnome is in main, after all |
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| 08:31.12 | nsadmin | then why do you suppose there is a difference? |
| 08:31.20 | i5513 | Could be, I'm using aptitude 0.5 from experimental ? |
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| 08:31.37 | nsadmin | oh, never mind :P |
| 08:31.47 | i5513 | could be aptitude is broken in that sense ? |
| 08:31.54 | i5513 | should I report a bug ? |
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| 08:32.12 | nsadmin | coudl be -anything- |
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| 08:32.34 | i5513 | ok, I'll report, and wait to Daniel answer |
| 08:32.34 | nsadmin | are you running anything else from experimental? |
| 08:33.23 | nsadmin | the thing is the packages in experimental can be very broken |
| 08:33.36 | i5513 | aptitude search '?and(?installed,?archive(experimental))' | wc -l ==> 256 |
| 08:33.44 | i5513 | but, like aptitude could be broken .... |
| 08:33.51 | i5513 | I can't be sure |
| 08:33.51 | nsadmin | and if you do report, I would hope you first dig to find why there is the difference |
| 08:34.51 | i5513 | this is because I'm here, I don't known if the answer is misterpelling (sorry for this bad english word) |
| 08:34.53 | nsadmin | the thing is that (at this point) your system, having packages from experimental, might be broken for other reasons |
| 08:35.22 | i5513 | I think only oowriter and aptitude are from experimental |
| 08:36.17 | i5513 | how can I list experimental packages in my system without using aptitude ? |
| 08:36.28 | i5513 | apt-cache show has the answer ? |
| 08:36.57 | nsadmin | small grammar issue,... correct possibilities are: "I'm here because of this" or "this is why I am here" |
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| 08:38.18 | JyZyXEL | any tool that can convert .wav to .mp3? |
| 08:39.05 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: lame will |
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| 08:39.05 | JyZyXEL | no such package |
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| 08:39.37 | Zvpun | How can I see the boot messages? Once X starts up I dont know how to read them anymore. |
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| 08:43.57 | JyZyXEL | what package contains the /bin/lame ? |
| 08:44.18 | ploceidae | Zvpun didn't exhibit very much patience |
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| 08:45.09 | simonrvn | JyZyXEL: /usr/bin |
| 08:45.16 | JyZyXEL | yeayea |
| 08:45.27 | JyZyXEL | i don't know how to search contents of packages |
| 08:45.39 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg search |
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| 08:46.35 | simonrvn | that'll tell you about apt-file, PDO, etc. ;) |
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| 08:47.33 | nsadmin | i5513: maybe dpkg |
| 08:47.50 | nsadmin | t |
| 08:47.51 | JyZyXEL | is mp3 nonfree? |
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| 08:48.07 | XB23 | in permission structure |
| 08:48.08 | JyZyXEL | that would kinda explain why there is no mp3 encoder in apt |
| 08:48.08 | nsadmin | t |
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| 08:49.59 | simonrvn | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 08:52.16 | XB23 | in permissions drw-rw-rw- does the d mean directory |
| 08:52.38 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 08:53.39 | simonrvn | you should have execute flags on it if you want to be able to ls in it, and likely remove the 'other' write permission... |
| 08:54.10 | t1x | hi. i had installed easy-debian on nokia n810 (maemo.org) how to add apps to debian? |
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| 08:55.18 | rage | Hello, I've been given a Debian server in Germany to look after. However the language on the system is German, is there a way to switch the language to English? e.g apt-get --version returns "pt 0.5.28.6 für linux i386 kompiliert am Mar 22 2005 07:17:03" |
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| 08:56.09 | Suzu | hi |
| 08:56.14 | simonrvn | rage: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 08:57.25 | rage | Phew, excellent simonrvn :-) Many thanks |
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| 08:59.21 | simonrvn | rage: you can do LC_ALL=C some-command in the mean time |
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| 09:00.44 | bolt | will doing "dpkg --get-selections > foo" on machine a, and then "dpkg --set-selections < foo" on machine b cause packages that previously existed _only_ on machine b to be uninstalled when I run "apt-get dselect-upgrade"? if not, how can I get them to be? I want to completely mirror the install I have on a, without retaining any extra packages on b. |
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| 09:01.23 | streuner | good luck |
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| 09:03.36 | ayers | I'm trying to find link on www.debian.org listing all the supported/official source.list "components" for stable/lenny (i.e. I'm looking for a reference to volatile packages). |
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| 09:04.12 | buffoon_work_ | ayers, http://www.debian.org/volatile/ for debian-volatile |
| 09:04.18 | JyZyXEL | aptitude -y -s -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade |
| 09:04.19 | Gruelius | hi all im having major performance issues with samba and ive been lead to believe its because samba isnt compiled with the libcap libary http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2009-March/146821.html |
| 09:04.30 | Gruelius | how do i recompile a package with debian? |
| 09:04.34 | JyZyXEL | aptitude starts resolving depencies like crazy |
| 09:04.58 | JyZyXEL | The following packages are BROKEN: |
| 09:04.58 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.24 | JyZyXEL | maybe i should uninstall those |
| 09:05.24 | i5513 | Gruelius, see in dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:06.04 | JyZyXEL | fuck this shit ill just run the upgrade and see what happends |
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| 09:07.04 | simonrvn | JyZyXEL: you can always remove those, then install them, or try to see what's going on in the ui |
| 09:07.08 | ShredZ | Where do I tell the system that the hardware clock is running utc instead of localtime ? |
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| 09:07.30 | jelly | ShredZ: /msg dpkg utc |
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| 09:08.08 | ayers | buffoon_work_: Thanks! but is there some page that lists the available components/URI (which I would hope links to this page)? |
| 09:08.08 | mcbane | Hi |
| 09:08.29 | mcbane | is there a way to copy a file from an nfs share without mounting the share via shellscript? |
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| 09:09.09 | buffoon_work_ | ayers, I don't know about a page like that... and i'm not sure if volatile is officially supported? |
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| 09:09.45 | jelly | mcbane: that makes no sense... to be able to access a file, it needs to be visible in the filesystem namespace (that is, its fs needs to be mounted) |
| 09:10.07 | JyZyXEL | man i have a feeling im gonna regret that i woke up today |
| 09:10.16 | bolt | streuner: hm? not doable without scripting it myself, or were you replying to something else? |
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| 09:10.59 | i5513 | I'm going to report the bug about aptitude ( in dpkg-query I can't see archive query) |
| 09:11.18 | simonrvn | JyZyXEL: heh, i sometimes feel that way too |
| 09:11.28 | JyZyXEL | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? |
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| 09:12.10 | JyZyXEL | here we go |
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| 09:12.45 | ayers | buffoon_work_: thanks... and it seems strange that including it allows me to update pidgeon ... I was expecting new clamav packages... |
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| 09:13.50 | epifanio | hi all, on debian sid i'can't install gnome deskto environment it tell me : the package is broken ... any clue on how to fix it ? |
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| 09:15.05 | simonrvn | epifanio: install the individual packages, gnome and many other things are in transition now due to the release of lenny. |
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| 09:16.07 | JyZyXEL | what does it even mean when package is broken |
| 09:16.25 | petemc_ | broken generally means not working as it should |
| 09:16.36 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 09:17.16 | simonrvn | broken means that it's not configured properly... there's degrees of borkedness too... |
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| 09:18.16 | simonrvn | hersoy: problems? |
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| 09:18.58 | epifanio | simonrvn: i need synaptic ... for now i'm able to use xfce4 .. so now i can have a desktop :-/ |
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| 09:19.14 | simonrvn | use aptitude |
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| 09:19.43 | simonrvn | better app IMO |
| 09:20.10 | epifanio | yes it works! |
| 09:20.12 | epifanio | thanks!!! |
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| 09:20.37 | simonrvn | synaptic has improved a lot from when it first came out, but i personally like aptitude better. |
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| 09:21.29 | epifanio | oh yes i like commandline too .. but sometimes i don't know the exact name of a package .. or i forghet if a package is installed or no |
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| 09:21.39 | epifanio | so synaptic comes useffol ! |
| 09:22.01 | simonrvn | the nui / cli can tell you that pretty quickly |
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| 09:22.15 | epifanio | yes that's true ;-) |
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| 09:22.44 | devhell_ | is the /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.29-1-common/arch/x86/Makefile_32.cpu problem already fixed in the linux-headers-2.6.29-1-686 package? |
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| 09:23.43 | JyZyXEL | lol perl is going absolutely crazy cause LANGUAGE and LC_ALL are unset |
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| 09:27.38 | simonrvn | JyZyXEL: don't worry, re-do your locales when you're done |
| 09:27.56 | JyZyXEL | how do you do that? |
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| 09:28.36 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 09:29.25 | JyZyXEL | there used to be a file in /etc/ where you would write all the locale information |
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| 09:31.23 | simonrvn | it does that for you |
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| 09:32.41 | JyZyXEL | 549 packages upgraded, 254 newly installed, 0 to remove and 51 not upgraded. |
| 09:32.50 | JyZyXEL | ill go ahead and do this! |
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| 09:33.58 | JyZyXEL | if this works my gateway is going to lenny too |
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| 09:34.16 | ^shark_ | i am told there is a bug in lenny for the snort software, snort seems to take almost all the remaining CPU memory |
| 09:34.52 | simonrvn | cpu memory? |
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| 09:38.18 | simonrvn | ^shark_: checked the bts yet? |
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| 09:42.00 | ^shark_ | simonrvn: no and do not know what you mean by bts |
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| 09:42.22 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 09:42.23 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges>. |
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| 09:42.31 | the_sniff | what could cause a unixsocket to refuse a connection? |
| 09:42.48 | ^shark_ | simonrvn: oh okay, no i have nt checked yet., let me do, thanks |
| 09:42.53 | zophy | are there any coupons that i can use to get a free debian distro ? |
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| 09:43.40 | simonrvn | zophy: excuse me? |
| 09:43.48 | jelly | simonrvn: yhbt! |
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| 09:44.03 | simonrvn | zophy: here's a coupon, http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 09:44.08 | simonrvn | jelly: no kidding |
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| 09:44.15 | simonrvn | itb ;) |
| 09:44.54 | zophy | simonrvn, i'm really looking for the free sort of coupon that i can sell |
| 09:45.59 | simonrvn | please stop smoking whatever it is you're smoking, you're not sharing :P |
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| 09:47.05 | markvandenborre | I'm looking into automated installer systems |
| 09:47.08 | markvandenborre | for Debian |
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| 09:47.12 | the_sniff | !unixsocket |
| 09:47.14 | markvandenborre | I know of FAI |
| 09:47.16 | the_sniff | ?unix socket |
| 09:47.24 | markvandenborre | but I suppose there are others, right |
| 09:47.29 | markvandenborre | any suggestions? |
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| 09:47.40 | zophy | what was the name of the robot in the jetson cartoon show ? |
| 09:47.57 | Boohbah | rosie |
| 09:48.04 | zophy | yeah, thanks |
| 09:48.48 | zophy | uses the rosie installer cuz it just feels so good |
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| 09:49.33 | jelly | zophy: if you don't have a debian support question, please go to #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:51.14 | zophy | ok, debian sure, ok, how do the iceweasel releases corresponde to the firefox releases ? anyone know ? |
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| 09:51.26 | the_sniff | anyone? |
| 09:51.38 | the_sniff | i can't connect to a unix socket file with socat, getting refused |
| 09:52.00 | Boohbah | the_sniff: permissions |
| 09:52.06 | the_sniff | its 777 |
| 09:52.21 | zophy | the_sniff, would tcp wrapper be involved ? |
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| 09:52.37 | zophy | hosts allow, deny etc ? |
| 09:52.38 | the_sniff | whats tcp wrapper? |
| 09:52.44 | the_sniff | no its local |
| 09:52.53 | zophy | k... |
| 09:53.30 | the_sniff | AF_UNIX = 1 right? |
| 09:53.31 | jelly | zophy: a real problem; not an invented one. |
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| 09:54.38 | jelly | the_sniff: is there another process listening on that socket, or has it died? |
| 09:55.02 | simonrvn | the_sniff: the other end isn't listening |
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| 09:55.43 | zophy | what's the lsof command he needs to run ? |
| 09:55.49 | simonrvn | wtf would tcpwrappers have to do with unix sockets? |
| 09:55.51 | zophy | or just netstat ? |
| 09:56.18 | zophy | ok, i'm scrapping this out of ancient memory |
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| 09:56.46 | the_sniff | jelly how would a check if something is listening? netstat doesnt show any unix sockets, the process is listening |
| 09:56.55 | the_sniff | simonrvn i thought so, but its running :s |
| 09:58.32 | the_sniff | lol i think i got it |
| 09:59.47 | simonrvn | yeh, but is it the right socket? |
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| 10:00.00 | the_sniff | yeah |
| 10:00.07 | jelly | the_sniff: man netstat; netstat -lxp seems to do it here |
| 10:00.09 | simonrvn | ok, so let us know so we don't get held in suspense here |
| 10:00.32 | the_sniff | that's odd, check this out http://rafb.net/p/51TCVY86.html |
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| 10:01.11 | the_sniff | wtf why is it in / :s |
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| 10:02.53 | simonrvn | it doesn't like you? :P |
| 10:04.23 | the_sniff | lol i found the problem |
| 10:04.39 | the_sniff | apperantly the guy who copied the cgi stuff didn't do the same for db/perms, and it crashes |
| 10:04.44 | zophy | be sure to check permissions like that one smart guy said |
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| 10:05.14 | zophy | eh |
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| 10:05.59 | the_sniff | zophy: db access on the unix sock? lol |
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| 10:06.55 | zophy | perms often unexpectatedly bite my tender places |
| 10:06.59 | lac | what is the name of the debian package for openoffice impress? |
| 10:07.19 | the_sniff | zophy: lol i know what you're sayign |
| 10:07.22 | simonrvn | !tell lac -about search |
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| 10:09.09 | the_sniff | thanks guys |
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| 10:16.52 | lac | A debian search of impress does not yield the name of the openoffice impress. Does anybody know what it is called, and why /msg dpkg find impress doesn't find it? |
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| 10:19.05 | dondelelcaro | lac: it's openoffice.org-impress |
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| 10:19.27 | lac | dondelelcaro: thank you! |
| 10:19.45 | dondelelcaro | (which you get anyway if you've installed openoffice.org) |
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| 10:21.21 | lac | dondelelcaro: only a subset of everything seems to be installed here, and I suddenly acquired the need to read a ppt presentation |
| 10:21.35 | lac | dondelelcaro: so thank you. |
| 10:21.45 | simonrvn | \o/ |
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| 10:24.51 | niklas__ | Hey - if one deletes the private/public ssh keys in /etc/ssh/, how can i regenerate them? |
| 10:25.13 | dondelelcaro | niklas__: with ssh-keygen |
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| 10:25.47 | niklas__ | dondelelcaro: but i need some parameters etc, both for dsa and rsa :/ |
| 10:27.10 | niklas__ | i found the original gen_keys() function a few minutes ago but got disconnected, and now i can't find it again lol |
| 10:27.10 | zophy | i have never accidentally shot myself in the head with a harpoon |
| 10:27.16 | zophy | fact |
| 10:28.08 | dondelelcaro | niklas__: you can use whatever parameters you want; it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst, though |
| 10:28.33 | dondelelcaro | (the only thing is that it shouldn't have a passphrase) |
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| 10:28.55 | devhell_ | is the /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.29-1-common/arch/x86/Makefile_32.cpu problem already fixed in the linux-headers-2.6.29-1-686 package? |
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| 10:29.55 | niklas__ | ah great, thanks dondelelcaro |
| 10:30.20 | mm666 | ma niggas |
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| 10:33.04 | Ohan | hi there people |
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| 10:38.05 | Ohan | is there a way to "fully automate" a debian install? my question is about the pxe boot: the very first time, how can you specify that you want a server to boot on pxe? |
| 10:38.13 | Ohan | (appart from being on the server, and going in the bios) ? |
| 10:38.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | unless i'm missing something, isnt that a 'rtfm' issue? |
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| 10:40.06 | iateadonut | why does mandriva suck so much. |
| 10:40.13 | iateadonut | i can never find the packages i need. |
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| 10:40.45 | Ohan | Kamping_Kaiser, i don't think so |
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| 11:01.20 | Gruelius | i restarted the server and its fscking my 1.5tv volume but the screen appears to have frozen, i can input characters with the keyboard and get to new lines e.t.c. but the fsck progress looks to be frozen, cant really hear the hdd's working |
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| 11:01.24 | Gruelius | tb* |
| 11:01.41 | Gruelius | is there a way to se if its locked up? |
| 11:01.41 | petemc | fsck can take a while |
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| 11:02.10 | ArtVandalae | Hi all, how can I find out if the current package is in main/contrib/non-free: http://packages.debian.org/sid/openjdk-6-jdk ? |
| 11:02.19 | Boohbah | Gruelius: does top show any disk activity? |
| 11:02.28 | Gruelius | system hasnt logged in yet |
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| 11:02.37 | Gruelius | i restarted it and its still booting up, |
| 11:03.29 | petemc | ArtVandalae: if you have a debian box, apt-cache show openjdk-6-jdk , look at the filename |
| 11:05.01 | Gruelius | petemc: i understand that, but is there any reason why it would have stopped outputting that its running? |
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| 11:07.07 | petemc | Gruelius: can you interrupt it? |
| 11:07.15 | Gruelius | petemc: would i want to? |
| 11:07.26 | Gruelius | like does interrupting fsck wipe my data |
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| 11:07.27 | Gruelius | lol |
| 11:07.43 | petemc | no, but obviously if there is a problem with the fs it wont be fixed |
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| 11:08.01 | Gruelius | its a huge ass voluume so i migjht just leave it |
| 11:08.16 | Gruelius | this summarises whats happening i guess " |
| 11:08.17 | Gruelius | However, for some of the larger partitions, no progress bar, or any indication of progress or activity is displayed. The system just sits there, for a long times, sometimes 15 minutes or more. It is frustrating not even knowing how long this will take or if any progress is even happening." |
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| 11:16.52 | aurel42 | I think cryptsetup needs to depend on udev. |
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| 11:22.41 | Xenguy | xororand: thanks, that is not the issue, as this user has logged in and out, and rebooted even, many times |
| 11:24.04 | Xenguy | sshc: tx, I'll have a look for that. It's extremely weird that there is sound with one user, but not the other. |
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| 11:29.03 | Vonoff | hi |
| 11:29.15 | fireba11 | hi. someone mind explaining why a raid set up in the installer needs syncing once the install is finished? :-) |
| 11:29.20 | Vonoff | anyone know why majordomo isn't included in debian? |
| 11:30.10 | Xenguy | Vonoff: not sure what the license is, but everyone seems to use mailman nowadays |
| 11:30.31 | RichiH | and for a good reason, alsy |
| 11:30.33 | RichiH | also |
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| 11:32.14 | Vonoff | hmm, i just checked on my gentoo system, they don't provide an ebuild either |
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| 11:40.30 | klbate | Hello, I have upgraded a bunch of packages (I'm running Testing and haven't upgraded in a while) and now I can't connect to encrypted wireless networks anymore using nm-applet. |
| 11:40.51 | lo127 | How do I format a connected SD flash card to jffs2? |
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| 11:41.11 | klbate | I get to the password prompt, enter the WPA key, but then nm-applet says "Disconnected" and I see lines like these in /var/log/messages: |
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| 11:41.25 | klbate | Mar 31 13:39:27 innsmouth dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.domain_search |
| 11:41.34 | klbate | ...for a lot of different sub-paths. |
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| 11:42.00 | Boohbah | klbate: tried dhclient instead? |
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| 11:42.19 | xinming | Anyone here knows what are the differences between .Xdefaults and .Xresources in $HOME? |
| 11:42.21 | nayx | hello all, i'm having issues with a sata usb enclosure. it gets detected and mounted without any problem, i can use the disk (write/read) without any problems. but as soon as i try to umount the disk the umount command hangs and does not return. following output appears in syslog: http://pastebin.ca/1377819 |
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| 11:42.31 | nayx | so the drive gets a reset before the fs gets umounted? |
| 11:42.35 | klbate | Boohbah: How do I tell nm-applet to use that? |
| 11:42.42 | Joelio | hi all, I've just installed lenny onto an encrypted loopback, but during post-install boot, I'm getting cryptsetup errors, saing /dev/sdb2 can't be found.. presumably the devices have switched around between the installation kernel and the booting kernel. Any quick way to fix this? Rather than boot into a rescue cd etc..? |
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| 11:44.45 | thermoman | Faithful: hi. thanks for the link, but this doesn't work with recent kernels anymore. tap1-N have all the same MAC |
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| 11:45.42 | Xenguy | sshc: Thanks man, that did it! I would never have found that '.asoundrc' file problem without your help -- thanks again! :-) |
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| 11:46.49 | Tenkawa | there a way to downgrade from current unstable to lenny from a dpkg standpoint |
| 11:46.52 | Tenkawa | ? |
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| 11:47.45 | wedge | Tenkawa: change to lenny in apt sources? |
| 11:47.59 | wedge | but you might get issues if you have config files that are fcked up from unstable |
| 11:48.04 | klbate | Is anyone else having wireless WPA problems with current Testing? |
| 11:48.30 | Tenkawa | tried that.. upgrade/dist-upgrade didnt try to change any packages newer or older so I wasnt sure if I missed something else |
| 11:48.51 | Tenkawa | wedge: yeah... not too worried about the configs.. pretty small system.. |
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| 11:49.01 | Tenkawa | just curious if it can be done mostly |
| 11:50.01 | wedge | Tenkawa: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html |
| 11:50.15 | wedge | some people discussing their findings of downgare |
| 11:50.34 | Tenkawa | thanks |
| 11:51.15 | Tenkawa | ok.. looks like I was pretty close to lenny already afterall |
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| 11:54.09 | stew | Tenkawa: in general it can be done, but expect things to break while doing it |
| 11:54.35 | stew | Tenkawa: we'd, in general, recommend a reinstall instead |
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| 11:55.01 | wedge | stew: where is the fun in that? :) |
| 11:55.49 | wedge | I've done a downgrade on a system that was pre-woody, then upgraded to stable, downgraded to stable and then etch and then lenny =) 3year uptime. I dread for the time I have to reboot. |
| 11:56.30 | jelly | pre-woody with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 11:56.32 | Tenkawa | stew: yeah.. I'm shutting down this install in a few anyway.. just thought I'd try it |
| 11:56.35 | Tenkawa | heh |
| 11:56.51 | wedge | jelly: nah, live migrated |
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| 11:57.21 | jelly | wedge: what does that mean, in this context? |
| 11:57.26 | stew | wedge: what do you mean by "live migrated"? |
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| 11:58.29 | Tenkawa | thanks again |
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| 11:59.47 | deever | is there a command (for the cmdline) for printing the notebook's battery power level? |
| 12:00.09 | NoReGreT | I got gcc 4.3 installed, but the nvidia drivers are complaining about 4.1, so is it ok to continue ? |
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| 12:01.01 | valdyn | NoReGreT: yes |
| 12:01.18 | _Pete_ | deever: see /proc/acpi/battery |
| 12:01.25 | NoReGreT | good |
| 12:02.00 | valdyn | NoReGreT: nvidia is just cautious, but there has not been a C abi change that would really require what its complaining about |
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| 12:02.33 | NoReGreT | I see |
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| 12:04.38 | valdyn | Joelio: you can still boot with this error |
| 12:04.54 | Faithful | thermoman, but yes it must work somehow because this is how Vbox does it |
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| 12:09.49 | deever | _Pete_: thank you! :) |
| 12:10.17 | bluethundr | I could use some practical advice on partitioning. |
| 12:10.25 | bluethundr | I have been a Solaris admin for about 13 years |
| 12:10.45 | bluethundr | and unfortunately the corporate policy towards partitioning was rather lazy and dumb |
| 12:10.51 | fireba11 | can someone explain why a raid set up with the installer does a resync immediately? shouldn't it be sync from the start? |
| 12:10.57 | bluethundr | to only create one partition and shove everything in there |
| 12:10.59 | thermoman | Faithful: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1924990&group_id=196196&atid=956487 |
| 12:11.37 | bluethundr | I've been googling and am having trouble finding a page that will describe various partitioning strategies and that would maybe give the thinking behind each |
| 12:11.45 | stew | bluethundr: that's what we'd generally recommend unless you have a reason to partition further. (there are many reasons to partition, but if you don't have one, then obviously, there is no reason to partition) |
| 12:12.20 | bluethundr | stew: thanks! what I've been asked to do is to build an apache tomcat server and also a mysql server |
| 12:12.34 | bluethundr | so you don't see any real need to partition beyond the basic? |
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| 12:14.31 | stew | bluethundr: like I said, there are plenty of reasons to partition, perhaps it simplifies your backup strategy, perhaps you need different volumes mounted from different places or with different options, but if you don't have a good reason, don't bother |
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| 12:14.56 | bluethundr | understood. thank you. |
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| 12:15.57 | valdyn | bluethundr: and if this is a more complex setup yourd probably use lvm anyway and be able to change things freely later |
| 12:15.59 | stew | bluethundr: well another common reason is that you need a separate /boot partition becuase you want / on raid or lvm or something similar that requires an initrd |
| 12:16.40 | valdyn | fireba11: how can it be sync from the start? |
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| 12:17.11 | bluethundr | well, we are deciding on strategies for the database server. we may need to install an hba and san or we may need to cluster |
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| 12:17.24 | bluethundr | our approach hasn't been set in stone at this time |
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| 12:17.35 | stew | i do agree that lvm is the way to go |
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| 12:17.43 | stew | valdyn: by specifying --assume-clean :) |
| 12:17.47 | bluethundr | apache won't have any exotic needs, I'm fairly certain |
| 12:17.54 | valdyn | bluethundr: lvm can do live migration of storage, thats no issue.. |
| 12:18.07 | fireba11 | valdyn: because it's empty? |
| 12:18.14 | bluethundr | ah! very good to know. I haven't had a reason to play with LVM until now.... |
| 12:18.18 | valdyn | stew: now that would probably be fun on a new raid |
| 12:18.29 | valdyn | fireba11: no, its not empty |
| 12:18.52 | valdyn | fireba11: blocks have content on them, from factory or from wherever else the disk comes from |
| 12:19.07 | bluethundr | these people that hired me basically want to stream video to a client base... and create financial transactions for each viewing.. I can't say more without violating an NDA |
| 12:19.12 | fireba11 | valdyn: so mdadm even syncs the "empty" space? |
| 12:19.21 | valdyn | fireba11: it has to |
| 12:19.28 | valdyn | fireba11: mdadm does not know about filesystems |
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| 12:20.01 | valdyn | fireba11: thats how any classical raid1 works |
| 12:20.09 | Joelio | hi all, I've just installed lenny onto an encrypted loopback, but during post-install boot, I'm getting cryptsetup errors, saing /dev/sdb2 can't be found.. presumably the devices have switched around between the installation kernel and the booting kernel. Any quick way to fix this? |
| 12:20.16 | bluethundr | I'm not sure if they already have an app in mind to stream the video... but if you guys had any recommendations I'd be all ears |
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| 12:20.53 | fireba11 | valdyn : it might now about partitons and recognize spaces without partitions .. but that explains the initial sync of course. point is it never asks what to take a s source for the sync so if it was not empty you got no idea wwhat way it syncs. if you re-add a volume later it's another story of course+ |
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| 12:21.01 | ukwiz | I have a system running debian, uname -a gives Linux slug2 2.6.25-2-ixp4xx #2 Thu Jul 17 15:33:24 BST 2008 armv5tel. can I run aptitude dist-upgrade to get to lenny? |
| 12:21.13 | valdyn | fireba11: it doesnt even know about partitions |
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| 12:21.42 | jonkri | how can i have a safe proftpd login on my system that can't login using ssh or in any other way access the system in a non-ftp way? |
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| 12:22.06 | valdyn | fireba11: oh, it knows where the filesytem wrote stuff to |
| 12:22.25 | valdyn | fireba11: you can just assume that that is a random disk |
| 12:22.36 | valdyn | fireba11: and it will read from that one and write to the other when syncing |
| 12:23.06 | valdyn | fireba11: unsynced raid = writes go only to one disk, no matter if thats filesystem writes or whatever |
| 12:23.15 | jonkri | CApueRa is spamming me |
| 12:23.23 | res22 | CApueRa just sent me a link to porn |
| 12:23.45 | bvs | not fair |
| 12:23.52 | bvs | link me aswell |
| 12:23.59 | valdyn | fireba11: but if nothing yet wrote anything, the it can sync randomly, main thing is to make both disks contents identical |
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| 12:24.14 | izua | i'm compiling something and I got System Monitor running |
| 12:24.20 | izua | my CPU is a dual-core intel |
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| 12:24.21 | stew | jonkri: gone, thanks |
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| 12:24.50 | izua | why do the CPU graphs are summing up to 0? (the one is the difference of the other) ? |
| 12:24.56 | izua | is this the way the kernel manages processes? |
| 12:25.06 | izua | cause it's pretty amazing |
| 12:25.24 | valdyn | izua: maybe you mean that they sum up to 100% |
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| 12:25.38 | izua | on windows it was always random.. one cpu got a part of a CPUhog processes, then after some time, the other cpu got that process |
| 12:25.45 | izua | uuh, no |
| 12:25.52 | izua | there's an imaginary line at 50% |
| 12:26.00 | izua | or it fluctuates, depending on the load |
| 12:26.08 | izua | but one is always the 'negative' of the other, in regard to that line |
| 12:26.20 | izua | which doesn't sum up to 100% always |
| 12:26.26 | valdyn | izua: 50+50 make 100, not zero |
| 12:26.48 | izua | i know that, |
| 12:27.02 | izua | but if cpu usage isn't 1 |
| 12:27.14 | izua | they are still negating each other |
| 12:27.21 | izua | as a graph of load, so to say :) |
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| 12:27.51 | replicant | hi people, i wonder if someone can recommend me a CMS like Plone. I like the workflow stuff but hate Zope... any help? |
| 12:28.01 | izua | anyway |
| 12:28.05 | izua | i'm compiling gtkRadiant |
| 12:28.09 | izua | it asks me for an install dir |
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| 12:28.15 | izua | where should one install apps? |
| 12:28.20 | izua | i've only used apt till now |
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| 12:28.43 | valdyn | izua: if one negates the other |
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| 12:28.48 | valdyn | izua: then the sum is 100% |
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| 12:29.04 | izua | if the load is 1 i think |
| 12:29.10 | et | izua: you should install using apt ;) |
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| 12:29.21 | izua | there isn't a package for gtkRadiant |
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| 12:29.34 | valdyn | load has nothing to do with this, dont call cpu usage load either |
| 12:29.38 | izua | it's only available as source code |
| 12:30.09 | et | well, nothing prevents you from creating one |
| 12:30.35 | izua | i want gtkRadiant, i don't want to learn to create packages dude :) |
| 12:30.45 | izua | i'm having enough trouble understanding this linux thing already :P |
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| 12:31.09 | izua | anyway, where should I install it? |
| 12:31.15 | valdyn | izua: its very simple to explain |
| 12:31.19 | izua | xampp said i should extract it to /opt |
| 12:31.34 | izua | is that a good directory? |
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| 12:31.45 | et | what's wrong with your homedir? |
| 12:31.51 | valdyn | izua: that behaviour you are seeing means that its a single process loading only one core at a time |
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| 12:32.07 | izua | valdyn: yes, the compiler |
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| 12:32.30 | dmarkey | are there any xen 3.3.1 backports available? |
| 12:32.35 | valdyn | izua: and its not exactly 100% nor is it exactly negating |
| 12:32.44 | izua | but is it really happening that way? the load being distributed 'nicely' between cores? |
| 12:32.55 | valdyn | izua: ( both of which are just different metaphors for the same thing ) |
| 12:33.08 | valdyn | izua: its new processes all the time |
| 12:33.16 | izua | if i compiled something huge on windows, it was mostly spikes and 100% usage |
| 12:33.20 | valdyn | izua: its not like processes get moved around |
| 12:33.34 | izua | if course they don't |
| 12:33.49 | valdyn | izua: windows might actually not spawn multiple processes for compiling |
| 12:33.50 | izua | et: ok, i'll install it in my homedir then |
| 12:34.16 | izua | valdyn: well, i was using mingw, which should be a rought equivalent of gcc |
| 12:34.23 | valdyn | izua: yea |
| 12:34.30 | et | (in some subdir, of course) |
| 12:34.38 | izua | et: heh, of course |
| 12:34.41 | valdyn | izua: do you even get seperate graphs in windows for each core? |
| 12:34.53 | abrecus | Hey everyone. I am trying to setup a Debian 5 machine and whenever I try to install the openssh-server package it is putting x11 as a dependency. Anyone know why X is now a dep of openssh-server in Lenny? |
| 12:34.57 | izua | valdyn: nah, they are in the same graph |
| 12:35.09 | valdyn | izua: so its the same in windows as in linux |
| 12:35.15 | valdyn | izua: just different graphing |
| 12:35.28 | izua | actually, windows makes two different graphs for cores, in the cad menu |
| 12:35.35 | valdyn | izua: ah ok |
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| 12:35.38 | ranix | abrecus: that sounds like a clear package management mistake |
| 12:35.44 | izua | doesn't really matter though.. it's just a graph |
| 12:35.45 | ranix | abrecus: can you file a bug report against that package? |
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| 12:36.01 | izua | (i think..:P) |
| 12:36.05 | valdyn | izua: ok, so the windows scheduler does it that way, appearantly |
| 12:36.06 | jafn | hi all |
| 12:36.18 | jafn | i have a cron that execvutes this command each 5 minutes as user jafn |
| 12:36.28 | jafn | /usr/bin/mplayer -nosound /home/jafn/Desktop/test.wmv > :0 |
| 12:36.29 | stew | abrecus: to support ssh -X |
| 12:36.29 | abrecus | ranix: I can. I wasn't sure if it was a bug or if it was something I was missing. Thanks |
| 12:36.34 | jafn | then i get this error |
| 12:36.36 | stew | abrecus: its not a bug |
| 12:36.40 | jafn | http://pastebin.com/m1c1a1c5d |
| 12:36.45 | jafn | what does it means |
| 12:36.58 | ranix | stew: there's no way openssh is meant to *require* x |
| 12:37.14 | valdyn | jafn: what the hell is > :0 supposed to do? |
| 12:37.15 | ranix | stew: ssh -X is not critical functionality of ssh |
| 12:37.27 | jafn | is the X |
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| 12:37.36 | valdyn | jafn: or is that a face? |
| 12:37.44 | jafn | ok i changed so i eliminate the :0 |
| 12:37.47 | valdyn | jafn: what? seriously? |
| 12:37.48 | stew | ranix: i believe it is a Recommends: not a Depends: |
| 12:37.50 | jafn | and i got ve this |
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| 12:38.01 | abrecus | stew: I am with ranix here. There is no need for X |
| 12:38.03 | ranix | stew: well that's completely different |
| 12:38.10 | ranix | abrecus: is it a dependency or a recommendation? |
| 12:38.11 | valdyn | jafn: so it cant open the X display |
| 12:38.23 | valdyn | jafn: thats very good, root shouldnt get access to your display |
| 12:38.24 | abrecus | ranix: it is a dependency |
| 12:38.25 | jafn | http://pastebin.com/m6e39ea86 |
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| 12:39.21 | ranix | abrecus: are you installing with aptitude or apt-get? |
| 12:39.21 | valdyn | jafn: thats the same error |
| 12:39.21 | jafn | i am running on the crontab of user jafn (not root) |
| 12:39.21 | abrecus | ranix: apt-get |
| 12:39.21 | ranix | abrecus: that would be a bug |
| 12:39.21 | jafn | not quite the same |
| 12:39.22 | valdyn | jafn: why the hell are you using cron for this? |
| 12:39.38 | jafn | i just need to play avideo each 5 minutes |
| 12:39.44 | abrecus | Thanks ranix and stew |
| 12:40.00 | ranix | abrecus: I'm looking into the package on packages.debian.org |
| 12:40.02 | jafn | when i put the same command on root corntab the video is show but my machine crash after the video ends |
| 12:40.03 | ranix | this is squeeze? |
| 12:40.10 | stew | ranix: why is it a bug? |
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| 12:40.27 | themill | abrecus, ranix: aptitude why openssh-server x11-common |
| 12:40.29 | Gruelius | hi, how would i determine if a local device (integrated nic) is on a pci bus or a pci-e bus |
| 12:40.36 | valdyn | jafn: while true; do mplayer someshit &; sleep 300;done |
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| 12:40.59 | valdyn | jafn: or even better would be to find out how long that move takes and skip the & thing |
| 12:41.03 | C4colo | I have a quick, probably stupid question, but it hasn't been answered in the documentation I've been reading |
| 12:41.27 | C4colo | I built a system with /var/log under / ... now I want to move /var/log to another drive |
| 12:41.33 | valdyn | jafn: or play nonstop: while true; do mplayer someshit ; done |
| 12:41.45 | Gruelius | c4colo make the new partition |
| 12:41.46 | C4colo | I updated fstab to point /dev/sda2 to /var/log |
| 12:41.47 | Gruelius | copy data over |
| 12:41.47 | ranix | abrecus: looking at http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/openssh-server I see xauth as a recommends, not a depends |
| 12:41.49 | Gruelius | change fstab |
| 12:42.02 | C4colo | will that break anything if the "real" var/log file is already there and has files in it? |
| 12:42.14 | ranix | so it looks in order to me... |
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| 12:42.45 | pozic | Even though I have rebooted, the clock applet still shows the wrong time (an hour off (DST)). How can I get it to show the right time? |
| 12:42.51 | C4colo | so it will just ignore /'s /var/log and all the data therein? and use my mount point without error then? |
| 12:42.57 | Ohan | where should i put my preseed.cfg file when using "boot.img" (for sparc) ? |
| 12:43.00 | pozic | !dst |
| 12:43.00 | dpkg | from memory, dst is Daylight Savings Time. Clocks "spring forward" 1 hour in spring(March/April) and "fall back" in the fall(October/November). DST was extended for 2007 by several countries, most prominently the USA and Canada. |
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| 12:43.06 | jafn | why this does not function with corn? |
| 12:43.08 | Ohan | it says in the root folder of the initrd, but there's none for sparc :/ |
| 12:43.19 | valdyn | pozic: fix your timezone |
| 12:43.34 | pozic | valdyn: my time zone is set correctly. |
| 12:43.37 | themill | pozic: what timezone are you? |
| 12:43.40 | valdyn | pozic: it isnt |
| 12:43.44 | abrecus | ranix: I see that too. However when i do apt-get install openssh-server, it tries to install libx11-6, x11-common, and a lot more |
| 12:43.50 | valdyn | pozic: obviously it isnt, or it would cover dst |
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| 12:44.10 | C4colo | it seems too easy... you really can just specify a new mount point and the old one is ignored? |
| 12:44.20 | themill | dpkg: tell abrecus about apt recommends |
| 12:44.21 | stew | abrecus: yes, becuase Recommends are installed by default, as you should expect (by the very definition of Recommends:) |
| 12:44.24 | ranix | abrecus: apt-get install openssh-server --without-recommends |
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| 12:44.55 | ranix | abrecus: and everything is in order |
| 12:45.03 | pozic | valdyn: ok, you are right. Thanks! |
| 12:45.12 | valdyn | pozic: utc = gmt, but gmt is not the time in england if they have dst there |
| 12:45.14 | themill | ranix: you might want to check that option in man apt-get. |
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| 12:45.31 | pozic | valdyn: or maybe you are not. |
| 12:45.35 | C4colo | thanks |
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| 12:45.42 | abrecus | ranix: stew thanks again. This is not how etch behaved :-) |
| 12:45.52 | valdyn | pozic: maybe im wrong about gmt not having dst |
| 12:46.01 | pozic | valdyn: since after dpkg-reconfigure tzdata with the right time zone it is still an hour off. |
| 12:46.08 | valdyn | pozic: this was merely meant as a silly example |
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| 12:46.28 | valdyn | pozic: theres more than 1 factor |
| 12:46.38 | valdyn | pozic: assuming your computer clock is set to local time |
| 12:46.44 | themill | valdyn: you're right; GMT is not the localtime in UK at present. (summer time) |
| 12:46.45 | ranix | I am confusing apt and aptitude switches again I think |
| 12:46.51 | pozic | valdyn: I didn't start Windows in ages. |
| 12:46.51 | themill | ranix: yeah |
| 12:47.01 | valdyn | pozic: then your "correct" timezone does not know that dst switch was forgotten |
| 12:47.09 | Ohan | where should i put my preseed.cfg file when using "boot.img" (for sparc) ? it says in the root folder of the initrd, but there's none for sparc :/ |
| 12:47.27 | ranix | abrecus: I believe the proper switch is --no-install-recommends |
| 12:47.42 | valdyn | pozic: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
| 12:47.42 | pozic | valdyn: which means that I should do, what? |
| 12:47.51 | demantik | hi, yesterday i installed the latest debian, just the base/standard packages plus icecast and darkice. They appear to be working fine, but i cant open the stream even across my lan. (connection refused) i've allowed the other pc in hosts.allow. anything else that could be blocking me ? |
| 12:48.01 | pozic | valdyn: UTC=no |
| 12:48.09 | valdyn | pozic: ok, what i thought |
| 12:48.14 | ranix | but I don't see it at all in man apt-get |
| 12:48.16 | abrecus | ranix: It is. I just looked it up when themill mentioned it. That worked great |
| 12:48.30 | valdyn | pozic: now assuming you have the correct timezone, it still cannot guess that the DST switch was forgotten |
| 12:48.30 | petemc | demantik: you doing any firewalling? |
| 12:48.39 | valdyn | pozic: that means, just set the clock once |
| 12:49.02 | valdyn | pozic: alternatively you can set UTC to yes, if you dont use windows anymore |
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| 12:49.44 | kryl | does anyone can help me to use root-lvm + initng ? |
| 12:49.50 | valdyn | pozic: and fix the clock too |
| 12:49.57 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 12:49.57 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 12:50.23 | pozic | valdyn: I am not interested in the time in Windows, but I would like to use some Windows applications every month or so (like printing). |
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| 12:50.43 | valdyn | pozic: so leave rcS as it is, and just set the time once |
| 12:50.49 | demantik | petemc: nope. |
| 12:51.08 | valdyn | pozic: and make windows *not* apply dst |
| 12:51.14 | petemc | demantik: you can use telnet or nc to try and connect to the remote ports |
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| 12:51.25 | demantik | petemc: hmm alright. |
| 12:51.31 | valdyn | pozic: since if both oses change time for dst, time will break again |
| 12:53.14 | pozic | valdyn: the man page for date --set says that I need a STRING, but this STRING is not documented in the man page. Can't I just use the clock applet to set the time? |
| 12:53.26 | valdyn | pozic: you can |
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| 12:54.54 | pozic | valdyn: ok, that was easy. Now, I just hope it keeps working after a reboot. |
| 12:55.20 | valdyn | pozic: gnomes time-admin can do what ntp does too |
| 12:55.38 | valdyn | pozic: that is keeping time synced against internet time servers |
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| 12:56.25 | valdyn | pozic: doing something like that is probably a good idea anyway because computer clocks tend to have a big drift |
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| 12:59.08 | Anne | How can I users in Samba? |
| 12:59.52 | pozic | valdyn: I already had ntp installed, but even then DST was not applied. |
| 12:59.54 | stew | Anne: you are missing a verb in that sentence. |
| 13:00.27 | pozic | valdyn: if it would just synchronize with a server which is in the same time zone, there wouldn't be a need for any DST logic on the client side. |
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| 13:01.34 | Anne | stew: Wht do you mean 'verb'? |
| 13:01.35 | Thunder | Anne: you are missing a verb in that sentence. yeap ? |
| 13:01.40 | Thunder | what with users |
| 13:01.47 | Thunder | !ping |
| 13:01.47 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:02.09 | stew | Anne: your sentence didn't make sense |
| 13:02.16 | ranix | 08:59 < Anne> How can I users in Samba? |
| 13:02.21 | Thunder | !pingme |
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| 13:02.28 | valdyn | pozic: umm, the servers cant guess your timezone |
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| 13:02.52 | Anne | * How can I "Add" user in Samba |
| 13:02.56 | valdyn | pozic: err, and they dont broadcast your time zone |
| 13:03.00 | ranix | smbpasswd -a |
| 13:03.03 | stew | Anne: man smbpasswd |
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| 13:03.24 | Anne | does that add a User, or only a passwd? |
| 13:03.32 | ranix | Anne: I am not a man page |
| 13:03.41 | valdyn | pozic: they all just do utc |
| 13:03.42 | Anne | or does that add/change passwd for the current user? |
| 13:03.46 | ranix | growls and barks. |
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| 13:04.48 | themill | Anne: I'd offer to pre-chew the man page for you, but it gets messy when I start drooling over my food and some of the others here object to that. |
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| 13:05.23 | izua | moar questions :) |
| 13:05.29 | ranix | themill: http://www.chirpvolleyball.com/BabyBirdsScreaming.jpg |
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| 13:05.33 | izua | i've been clicking aroudn in konqeuror, but I can't figure out this one |
| 13:05.35 | Anne | srry, I like the short way in stead of reading the compleate man ;) |
| 13:05.47 | izua | i want default 'detailed list view' on all folders |
| 13:05.49 | izua | is it possible? |
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| 13:06.20 | izua | and i need to add another column, extension. File Type doesn't do me any justice |
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| 13:06.55 | themill | izua: Settings -> Save View Profile is what you are looking for, I think. |
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| 13:08.53 | izua | cool |
| 13:09.04 | izua | konqeror is awesome |
| 13:09.11 | izua | well.. actually everything is awesome |
| 13:09.32 | izua | it's like they really know what people need :/ unlike winblowz |
| 13:09.49 | izua | too bad i'm not good enough to fully use it :P |
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| 13:16.13 | Ohan | where should i put my preseed.cfg file when using "boot.img" (for sparc) ? it says in the root folder of the initrd, but there's none for sparc :/ |
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| 13:20.33 | izua | i have noauto,nouser,umask=000\t0\t0 |
| 13:20.39 | izua | \t is tab |
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| 13:21.29 | Anne | I try to find out what users and groups there are on my texed base debian, but 'man user(s) / groups' doesn't help me out. Is there a way witch users and groups there are? |
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| 13:21.44 | ghang | thanks , so is /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 vfat noauto,nouser,umask=000 0 0 right ? |
| 13:21.57 | ghang | what about ntfs-3g ? is it the same too ? |
| 13:22.03 | raoba | is there a easy way to see what apps are going to be started next time i reboot? (/etc/init.d/) |
| 13:22.45 | craigevil | Anne: groups will show what groups the current user is in |
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| 13:23.12 | Anne | craigevil: Yes it does, But I want to know what other groups there are |
| 13:23.15 | izua | i have fuse.ntfs |
| 13:23.51 | izua | not sure about ntfs-3g |
| 13:24.35 | ghang | thanks anyway :D |
| 13:24.50 | izua | oh btw.. anyone knows |
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| 13:25.04 | izua | is ntfs-3g superior to linux-ntfs.org (fuse-ntfs) ? |
| 13:25.30 | izua | or should I just format my data hdd (750GB) as ext2/3 and try to access that from windows? :) |
| 13:25.47 | superjet_busy | ntfs |
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| 13:26.09 | raoba | anyone? |
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| 13:26.37 | superjet_busy | !tell raoba -about ask |
| 13:26.48 | Anne | izua: you can format it ext2/3 and use samba to solve the reste |
| 13:27.04 | ranix | superjet_busy: he did ask |
| 13:27.08 | ranix | 09:22 < raoba> is there a easy way to see what apps are going to be started next time i reboot? (/etc/init.d/) |
| 13:27.33 | izua | isn't samba for networking? |
| 13:27.40 | superjet_busy | raoba: rcconf or sysv-rc-conf |
| 13:27.55 | enouf | raoba: /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 13:28.02 | ranix | raoba: check /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 13:28.10 | Anne | yes, for windows connecting to linux |
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| 13:28.18 | izua | but I have windows, too, on this box |
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| 13:28.32 | raoba | thanks :) |
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| 13:28.36 | ranix | anytime |
| 13:28.38 | izua | the point here was accessing the same partition with the windows/debian installed on that box |
| 13:28.39 | SgtPepper | Hi everyone, I'm trying to debug a weird issue |
| 13:28.42 | izua | not externally.. hmm |
| 13:28.42 | Anne | if you have a dualboot you'd better format it NTFS |
| 13:28.51 | izua | it is NTFS already, hehe |
| 13:29.00 | Anne | you can install a windows program to read/write ext2/3 |
| 13:29.09 | izua | just wondering if i'm better off having it as ext3 |
| 13:29.17 | izua | and accessing that from windows |
| 13:29.30 | izua | are they good? or they'll ocasionally destroy everything? :P |
| 13:29.33 | Anne | ext3 uses about 10% of space for admin things |
| 13:29.46 | Anne | I learned that the hard way |
| 13:29.53 | valdyn | 10%? |
| 13:29.56 | valdyn | thats not true |
| 13:30.04 | Anne | I thought it was 10% not sure tho |
| 13:30.16 | valdyn | 5% by default and that is configurable |
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| 13:30.29 | Anne | how is it configurable? |
| 13:30.31 | craigevil | you can tune that to a lot less using tunefs |
| 13:30.57 | valdyn | tune2fs -m5 /dev/sda1 |
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| 13:31.12 | enouf | or you'd have to just see rcS.d/ + any SNNscriptnames in rc2.d/ |
| 13:31.12 | SgtPepper | might be h/w or os related, can't say |
| 13:31.12 | enouf | (as default) |
| 13:31.12 | SgtPepper | but the thing is, i've a usb audio dongle |
| 13:31.13 | SgtPepper | that suddenly stops being recongnized by the os when I start playing something via alsa |
| 13:31.13 | enouf | you mean dmesg says "i can't recognize you anymore with that mask on" ? |
| 13:31.13 | mythomaniac | anyone know if madwifi dives can be built on 64 bit arch? |
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| 13:31.29 | valdyn | mythomaniac: sure |
| 13:31.53 | Anne | valdyn: is it also configurable after I formatted it to ext2/3 |
| 13:32.00 | valdyn | Anne: yes |
| 13:32.02 | mythomaniac | valdyn, know a walkthough site? |
| 13:32.08 | Anne | valdyn: how? |
| 13:32.17 | valdyn | mythomaniac: same as your 32-bit site |
| 13:32.31 | valdyn | Anne: just like i said |
| 13:32.36 | mythomaniac | valdyn, k, thanks man |
| 13:32.42 | Anne | tune2fs -m5 /dev/sda1 ? |
| 13:33.01 | valdyn | 5 is the percentage, sda1 is a partition |
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| 13:33.29 | valdyn | man tune2fs |
| 13:33.32 | Anne | so if I enter tune2fs -m1 /dev/sda4 then it is 1% of partition 4 |
| 13:33.37 | Anne | ok |
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| 13:34.15 | Anne | valdyn: 1 more q. How can I see a list of partition? |
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| 13:34.57 | enouf | fdisk -l ; cat /proc/partitions |
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| 13:38.06 | mythomaniac | valdyn, will module-assistant be able to build the madwifi divers for 64 bit arch without usr intervention? |
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| 13:39.01 | mythomaniac | valdyn, meaning there are no switches to be set? |
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| 13:39.50 | craigevil | anyone know if mozilla-mplayer is being replaced with gecko-mediaplayer |
| 13:40.10 | mythomaniac | oh man it builds for the kernel source, which is 64 bit, so it should be able to do it? |
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| 13:42.14 | Anne | is there a way to show ALL groups? |
| 13:42.39 | jelly | Anne: all unix groups? |
| 13:42.41 | pozic | valdyn: no, but the servers could broadcast which timezone they are sending out and then I could just select the right one. I know it doesn't work like that, but it would make sure that an end-user never have to care about this. |
| 13:42.45 | ranix | yes, but I cannot remember the command so I cat /etc/shadow |
| 13:42.53 | Anne | jelly: all groups on my machine |
| 13:42.57 | jelly | Anne: getent group |
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| 13:43.03 | ranix | jelly: that's it |
| 13:43.07 | mizan | hi |
| 13:43.34 | ranix | !hi |
| 13:43.34 | dpkg | hello, ranix |
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| 13:43.47 | mythomaniac | no madwifi sources for squeeze though ;( |
| 13:43.55 | Anne | so... I have a group named 'nogroup' ;) |
| 13:44.21 | ranix | Anne: quick give it rwx permissions on everything |
| 13:44.37 | Anne | :P |
| 13:44.46 | Anne | I'm dumb, not stupid ;) |
| 13:44.47 | mizan | ranix were u |
| 13:44.49 | adb | mythomaniac: its depends on kernel |
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| 13:45.01 | ranix | mizan: yes, I was |
| 13:45.06 | mizan | hi Anne |
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| 13:45.24 | Anne | isn't there a NumLk strike combination to reset your machine |
| 13:45.28 | Anne | mizan: HI? |
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| 13:45.55 | mizan | were r Anne |
| 13:46.04 | Anne | :S |
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| 13:46.27 | mizan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.33 | Strogg | anyone know of a good guide to get two screens working in debian lenny? |
| 13:46.35 | Anne | ah.... thnx |
| 13:46.36 | ranix | lol |
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| 13:46.51 | ranix | puts on his robe and wizard hat. |
| 13:46.55 | jelly | mizan: please use #debian-offtopic for social chitchat |
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| 13:47.12 | mizan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.30 | izua | rofl @ bloodninja |
| 13:47.39 | Anne | uh uh |
| 13:47.46 | Anne | 'not a russin |
| 13:48.12 | craigevil | Anne: magic keys? The most useful combination is the <ALT>+<SysRq or Prnt Scrn> + R-E-I-S-U-B |
| 13:48.18 | mizan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.24 | ranix | Strogg: it is somewhat difficult to configure Nvidia or ATI drivers in any Linux and there is no wonderful guide that I know of |
| 13:48.28 | izua | craigevil: what does that do? |
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| 13:48.47 | stew | mizan: do you have a debian related question? |
| 13:48.56 | Anne | check you private chat |
| 13:49.03 | craigevil | izua: safely reboots when your system freezes |
| 13:49.06 | stew | mizan: if you are just here for socializing, try #debian-offtopic or #defocus instead |
| 13:49.18 | ranix | Strogg: it has always taken me approximately three hours to get the right magical combination of bullshit to configure X with either ATI or Nvidia regardless of how much my experience level has improved |
| 13:49.25 | izua | ah, nice |
| 13:49.29 | izua | the raising skinny elephants thing |
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| 13:49.34 | ranix | Strogg: it is mindless, obnoxious, all the documentation is wrong or poor, etc. |
| 13:49.34 | izua | my system wouldn't shutdown last night :/ |
| 13:49.34 | Anne | craigevil: savely? it's just like pressing the resetbutton you mean |
| 13:49.46 | Strogg | I see |
| 13:49.52 | izua | hey strogg |
| 13:49.53 | ranix | Strogg: but it is not impossible and you will eventually succeed |
| 13:49.59 | Strogg | izua: ahoy |
| 13:50.01 | izua | i kept sending shutdown -h now and it froze |
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| 13:50.48 | mythomaniac | adb, it seems its not in any arch for squeeze: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=madwifi-source |
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| 13:53.18 | jelly | mythomaniac, adb: or, not in debian at all. http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/madwifi.html |
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| 13:53.56 | mythomaniac | jelly, it should be in for lenny though - used to be? |
| 13:54.08 | ranix | !madwifi |
| 13:54.08 | dpkg | [madwifi] the old <non-free> driver for non-USB wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset. To install on Lenny or Etch, ask about <madwifi-install>. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath_pci , http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Support , #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian to resolve bug #519446; Squeeze users, ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k>. |
| 13:54.26 | jelly | judd: versions madwifi-source |
| 13:54.26 | judd | jelly: madwifi-source -- etch/non-free: 1:0.9.2+r1842.20061207-2etch2 lenny/non-free: 1:0.9.4+r3772.20080716-1 sid/non-free: 1:0.9.4+r3772.20080716-1 |
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| 13:55.18 | jelly | mythomaniac: apparently present in lenny. that sid version is contrary to the qa page; I'm not sure why |
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| 13:56.31 | craigevil | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=madwifi&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search doesnt show any madwifi packages in sid |
| 13:56.33 | ranix | madwifi is dead, has unfixable bugs, and ath[5|9]k are free driver replacements |
| 13:57.52 | mythomaniac | ranix, any replacements for it? |
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| 13:58.11 | ranix | mythomaniac: please try to keep up |
| 13:58.18 | mythomaniac | lol |
| 13:58.47 | mythomaniac | ranix, yeah i see what you said... at first didn't click |
| 13:58.54 | ranix | ;) |
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| 14:01.36 | mizan | hi |
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| 14:03.58 | mythomaniac | ranix, this seems to be the way then: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 14:04.26 | VampirePenguin | does anyone know how i can get back into my /home directories... originally xauth locked with a timeout on ~/.Xauthority... i have removed X but it still will not chdir to my ~ it gives me a permission denied... i can reach the directories wth root, and ssh logs in to upper level directory but wont go into /home |
| 14:04.42 | Strogg | Bleh.. close.. but I gotta give up for now. have work to do |
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| 14:04.56 | joltcan | VampirePenguin: Do a ls -la on your /home/directory and look at the permission? |
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| 14:06.01 | mythomaniac | ranix, thanks man |
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| 14:07.57 | Forai | question, How do I find my debian version? |
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| 14:09.06 | SgtPepper | anyone experiencing issues with usbaudio? |
| 14:09.07 | VampirePenguin | joltcan, for some reason something changed my files to 1000:username... i changed to username:username and now works.... thanks |
| 14:09.07 | VampirePenguin | :) |
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| 14:11.15 | smacnay | What is the best way to submit a bug? I see that GnuCash keeps crashing here. |
| 14:12.25 | adb | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 14:12.57 | joltcan | VampirePenguin: Sounds wierd, but you're welcome! |
| 14:13.15 | smacnay | thanks |
| 14:13.38 | Forai | Guys? is there a way I can test to see my debian version? |
| 14:13.45 | VampirePenguin | one last question that I cant seem to get an answer on because i really cant find any documentation and vinagre doesnt have a settings/preferences box to use... it defaults to 5900 and i want to use port 22.. if i put the ip in with :22 then it tries to open 5922 |
| 14:13.57 | VampirePenguin | joltcan, ya is totally weird i dont know how that happened |
| 14:14.05 | VampirePenguin | but i knew it was the uid # |
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| 14:16.25 | mibb__ | hey, does anyone know how to map the search button of a mx revolution to middle click? somehow I cannot simply map a keycode to Pointer_Button2 with xmodmap :/ |
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| 14:16.55 | designs703 | Hi everyone. My office has the CVS port blocked, and I'm too lazy to get a special exception (esp. since I'm using it to contribute to stuff not concerned with my day job). Anybody here know how I could use my Debian server with SSH as a proxy? |
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| 14:17.14 | jelly | VampirePenguin: It's possible you used :22 in a context that meant "vnc server :22", which usually listens on tcp/5922 |
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| 14:18.41 | joltcan | designs703: ssh server -L1234:localhost:1234 where 1234 is the cvs ports. then you should point your cvs to localhost instead of the real server |
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| 14:19.16 | VampirePenguin | jelly, im clueless i cant figure otu the syntax and there is no documentation .. the owners page is written in portuguese or somthing |
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| 14:21.59 | mizan | hi |
| 14:22.12 | jelly | VampirePenguin: oh. I'd use an app that was better documented, then. |
| 14:22.28 | Selveste1 | !dpkg resolv |
| 14:23.12 | ranix | VampirePenguin: there are quite a few vnc clients out there |
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| 14:23.18 | VampirePenguin | jelly, im trying to figure out an app that will run in xfce or lxde that i can do remote desktop views.... maybe im not totally understanding theconcept |
| 14:23.40 | VampirePenguin | i want to do these views in ssh |
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| 14:23.53 | ranix | VampirePenguin: do a little googling on "vnc" and "xdmcp" |
| 14:23.55 | adb | !tell Selveste1 about resolv.conf |
| 14:24.14 | ranix | VampirePenguin: if you want a more thorough understanding of it |
| 14:24.19 | VampirePenguin | ty ranix |
| 14:24.41 | VampirePenguin | that is what i need i think and why i may be somewhat lost |
| 14:24.48 | mizan | anybody here uzbekistan |
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| 14:24.56 | ranix | !uzbekistan |
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| 14:25.03 | ranix | mizan: no idea |
| 14:25.05 | Selveste1 | adb - thanx :P it was fixresolvconf I was looking for :) |
| 14:25.06 | mizan | ya |
| 14:25.14 | jelly | VampirePenguin: remote desktop as in, a client for windows Remote Desktop? |
| 14:26.03 | mizan | ran were r u |
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| 14:26.11 | VampirePenguin | ya the program that comes with xfce is vinagre |
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| 14:27.22 | jelly | VampirePenguin: that sounds like a VNC client. grdesktop works for RDP for me. |
| 14:27.56 | designs703 | joltcan: cool, thanks. I'll give that a try |
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| 14:30.31 | OpenTokix | http://pastebin.com/dd0654cf <-- this went well =) |
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| 14:30.36 | debianos | hi guys |
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| 14:30.55 | debianos | when i try to start aptitude, i get aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:30.59 | debianos | although this file exists |
| 14:31.29 | debianos | i have amd64 server |
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| 14:33.06 | debianos | anyone home? |
| 14:33.07 | osfd | might not be the right place but what emule client do you use...Amule is way less good than emule... |
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| 14:34.04 | ranix | I thought ed2k was obsolete |
| 14:34.35 | ranix | I haven't used hub-based peer networking for over 5 years |
| 14:34.44 | osfd | ranix: well, this is not my point...I'd like an ed2k client as good as emule |
| 14:35.09 | osfd | ranix: there are still some website using it |
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| 14:35.47 | ranix | osfd: weird. I don't have a suggestion, but I advise you to consider potential security issues with that method of file sharing |
| 14:36.47 | osfd | ranix: you are an infiltrated cop ? |
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| 14:37.18 | osfd | ranix: just kidding |
| 14:37.27 | clive | omg |
| 14:37.33 | sepult | moin |
| 14:37.47 | ranix | osfd: a constable on patrol who has been invaded, an occupied officer, in a word - posessed |
| 14:37.52 | clive | iceape is gone too :( that's the second missing-from-testing app that's messing my mojo :( |
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| 14:39.07 | osfd | still, I need a good ed2k client |
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| 14:39.54 | gusto | hey |
| 14:39.57 | gusto | cool |
| 14:40.10 | gusto | someone needs a ed2k client - thats amule |
| 14:40.44 | osfd | gusto: amule is no good |
| 14:40.48 | gusto | i looked at some websites I have not visited for a long time - like kazaa and napster |
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| 14:40.58 | gusto | and I came to ed2k website |
| 14:41.06 | SPF | oh, napster, in the old days :) |
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| 14:41.17 | SPF | I use mldonkey myself |
| 14:41.20 | gusto | someone has written there, that ed2k net is dead |
| 14:41.33 | gusto | why is amule no good? |
| 14:41.50 | gusto | I think on debian, it doesnt work properly |
| 14:42.01 | gusto | you habe to compile it |
| 14:42.04 | osfd | gusto: for some reason it has some troubles finding files, sources... |
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| 14:42.11 | gusto | OK |
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| 14:43.11 | gusto | I have used amule on my netbsd computer/router and afterwards I couldnt connect to it, so I had to reset the machine, because amule exceeded the allowed connections for the kernel |
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| 14:43.25 | SPF | well, the ed2k servers might be decreasing, but kad is still alive |
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| 14:43.44 | gusto | so I lerned something about the mlclusters or however its name is |
| 14:44.07 | gusto | why are they dereasing? |
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| 14:44.25 | SPF | because more people are using bittorrent |
| 14:44.26 | debianos | could someone assist me on this please? |
| 14:44.28 | debianos | when i try to start aptitude, i get aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:44.29 | gusto | i remember this swiss server which was big, what was its name? |
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| 14:44.40 | SPF | and because in some countries ed2k servers became illegal |
| 14:44.43 | gusto | razorback? |
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| 14:45.00 | gusto | how can a ed2k server be illegal? |
| 14:45.18 | SPF | ask the judge :) |
| 14:45.21 | ranix | gusto: illegal and prohibited by law are different |
| 14:45.25 | ranix | somehow |
| 14:45.33 | gusto | OK, how? |
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| 14:45.39 | kamp2tux | in terminal i switch user to root, and i run nautilus and accidentally deleted a directory, and i wish to restore from trash, but i could not the trash for the root user ? please advise |
| 14:46.03 | ranix | gusto: enabling piracy |
| 14:46.25 | gusto | ranix: OK, and why that? |
| 14:46.46 | gusto | ranix: I can store anything there, not only copyrighted material |
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| 14:47.14 | ranix | gusto: might not make sense to you and me, but to Joe Dirt the court justice in Tennessee the situation is different |
| 14:47.38 | ranix | gusto: also, who even knows what the UK government is thinking anymore, they're fucking Orwellian |
| 14:48.32 | gusto | ranix: who cares abou US and UK? |
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| 14:48.53 | ranix | gusto: peer-to-peer file sharing |
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| 14:49.15 | gusto | ??? |
| 14:49.19 | ranix | gusto: if there's questionable legality in large distribution hubs, your network will suffer |
| 14:50.39 | gusto | I absolutely dont understand now |
| 14:50.45 | ranix | sigh |
| 14:51.24 | ranix | you probably think the files you get off edonkey come out of a hole in the ground |
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| 14:51.43 | abrotman | wonders how this is a debian problem .. |
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| 14:51.48 | ranix | if you cannot understand why losing the entire population of the US and UK as peers would hurt the availability of files on your network |
| 14:51.53 | ranix | I will stop being off-topic now |
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| 14:52.46 | gusto | ranix: I understand now |
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| 15:07.28 | [pablo] | I have a lot of trouble trying to set up my alps touchpad |
| 15:07.28 | [pablo] | main problem being debian not showing it in /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 15:07.28 | [pablo] | so X doesn't find it |
| 15:07.28 | [pablo] | xorg.conf: paste.debian.net/31968 and X log: paste.debian.net/31965 |
| 15:07.28 | [pablo] | if you see anything I don't :) |
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| 15:08.29 | [pablo] | I have a lot of trouble trying to set up my alps touchpad |
| 15:08.29 | [pablo] | main problem being debian not showing it in /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 15:08.29 | [pablo] | so X doesn't find it |
| 15:08.41 | [pablo] | xorg.conf: paste.debian.net/31968 and X log: paste.debian.net/31965 |
| 15:08.56 | [pablo] | synaptics module gets loaded |
| 15:08.56 | [pablo] | but then it says it doesn't find the touchpad |
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| 15:09.03 | [pablo] | so it gets unloaded |
| 15:09.12 | [pablo] | do you guys have any idea on how to get this to work? |
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| 15:11.30 | abrotman | [pablo]: it doesn't work at all? how did you install X ? |
| 15:12.03 | abrotman | it seems to be finding a pointing device of some sort |
| 15:12.33 | [pablo] | X got installed as part of a fresh install of debian |
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| 15:13.11 | [pablo] | the touchpad works bc X loads some generic module to take care of it... but the vertical and horizontal scrolling won't work |
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| 15:14.17 | abrotman | oh .. that |
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| 15:15.51 | jelly | [pablo]: find /dev/input -ls ? |
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| 15:17.02 | abrotman | !tell [pablo] about laptop |
| 15:17.18 | [pablo] | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/32047/ |
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| 15:18.06 | [pablo] | abrotman: this problem has bothered me for 2 days.. searched the web and those sites, this is my last resource :) |
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| 15:20.23 | jelly | [pablo]: huh. I have Device "/dev/psaux" for my touchpad, and yet, Xorg says, among other things, ... (--) Synaptics Touchpad auto-dev sets device to /dev/input/event7 |
| 15:20.34 | jelly | [pablo]: and it overrides the device with the correct one |
| 15:20.51 | abrotman | he might need to put psmouse in /etc/modules |
| 15:21.06 | jelly | abrotman: but psmouse ends up not being used at all! |
| 15:21.26 | jelly | perhaps it _is_ needed for detection, who knows |
| 15:21.44 | [pablo] | rebooting X again, modified xorg.conf |
| 15:21.48 | [pablo] | ill be right back |
| 15:22.35 | jelly | oh, and these suspicious lines in /etc/modules: |
| 15:22.37 | jelly | # synaptics driver for xorg apparently needs this |
| 15:22.37 | jelly | evdev |
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| 15:23.39 | jelly | but [pablo] has /dev/input/event* so evdev is there |
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| 15:24.47 | jelly | [pablo]: you do have evdev kernel module loaded, right? |
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| 15:25.21 | [pablo] | jelly: yes |
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| 15:25.59 | jelly | [pablo]: dmesg|grep -i synapt ? |
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| 15:26.15 | [pablo] | no output for that |
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| 15:27.42 | jelly | [pablo]: hum. This laptop has some output. |
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| 15:29.13 | jelly | [pablo]: is psmouse loaded? |
| 15:29.27 | WorldBFree | does gparted have the ability to format an ntfs partition? |
| 15:29.44 | [pablo] | jelly: yes |
| 15:29.45 | adb | gsynaptics is installed ? |
| 15:30.01 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.05 | [pablo] | mio:~# dpkg -l | grep synaptics |
| 15:30.05 | [pablo] | rc gsynaptics 0.9.15-1 configuration tool for Synaptics touchpad dr |
| 15:30.05 | [pablo] | ii xfree86-driver-synaptics 0.14.7~git20070706-3 dummy package to upgrade to X.Org new modula |
| 15:30.05 | [pablo] | ii xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 0.14.7~git20070706-3 Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org/XFree86 |
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| 15:30.09 | jelly | [pablo]: care to pastebin your dmesg (or /var/log/kern.log)? |
| 15:30.31 | jelly | and not leave the channel when you're addressed! |
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| 15:30.51 | jelly | [pablo]: care to pastebin your dmesg (or /var/log/kern.log)? |
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| 15:30.53 | [pablo] | gah. sorry |
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| 15:31.42 | [pablo] | ok, second |
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| 15:32.05 | phantomcircuit | is there a package for python 2.6 on debian lenny? |
| 15:32.30 | [pablo] | jelly: dmesg output: http://paste.debian.net/32048/ |
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| 15:32.53 | jelly | [pablo]: do you have some pointing device other than the touchpad? Which laptop brand, model? |
| 15:33.19 | [pablo] | jelly: kern.log, http://paste.debian.net/32049/ |
| 15:33.23 | jelly | a toshiba. |
| 15:33.26 | [pablo] | yes |
| 15:33.32 | [pablo] | toshiba satellite pro M10 |
| 15:33.49 | [pablo] | phone, 1 second |
| 15:33.54 | haoole | hi all |
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| 15:34.06 | haoole | im trying to create a custom debian cd that installs postgresql |
| 15:34.17 | haoole | at first sight looks like a pretty simple thing to do ... but, postgresql wont install since it has no permission to write to /dev/null!! |
| 15:34.28 | jelly | meh, [ 9.971950] input: PS/2 Generic Mouse as /class/input/input6 |
| 15:34.41 | haoole | looks like - as read on some foruns - its a bug of the lenny udev package, and its already corrected in the 140 (sid) |
| 15:34.44 | D4T | anyone have any recommendations for filesystem benchmark tools? |
| 15:35.00 | haoole | but i cant find any docs on how to create a "mixed" release only replacing the broken udev and its deps with simple-cdd |
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| 15:35.18 | jelly | silently thanks unknown IBM/Lenovo engineers for using decent hardware and bios. |
| 15:35.40 | janik | Hello |
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| 15:37.25 | jelly | judd: didn't you have a kernel config greppy thing? |
| 15:37.25 | judd | jelly: Error: "didn't" is not a valid command. |
| 15:37.30 | freedmit | hi everyone |
| 15:37.31 | janik | I was wondering if anyone could help be to fix a problem with an external USB drive behind VIA chipset PCI controller that works ok at first but then inexplicitly slows down to crawl. |
| 15:37.59 | jelly | [pablo]: just for fun, what does "grep CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2_SYNAPTICS /boot/config-$(uname -r)" say? |
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| 15:38.30 | [pablo] | mio:~# grep CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2_SYNAPTICS /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 15:38.30 | [pablo] | CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2_SYNAPTICS=y |
| 15:38.30 | [pablo] | mio:~# |
| 15:38.39 | [pablo] | still semiafk in phone |
| 15:38.40 | WorldBFree | what file system would debian suggest to use as a media partition to use for both vista and deb? |
| 15:38.59 | WorldBFree | fat32 is not an option due to the file size limits |
| 15:39.07 | [pablo] | ok back, sorry |
| 15:39.23 | [pablo] | what do you mean with /class/input/input6 :/ |
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| 15:40.18 | JPT | is it possible for the superuser to get all the keyboard input? |
| 15:40.41 | tuv | nfts-3g |
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| 15:41.10 | WorldBFree | so i should go with ntfs and just download the 3g driver? |
| 15:41.29 | JPT | or is there a little tool that tells me what key is currently pressed ? |
| 15:41.37 | WorldBFree | i didnt know if there was a better way to read ext2 tool in windows |
| 15:41.45 | tuv | WorldBFree: it seems more stable than windows ext2 drivers |
| 15:42.13 | Joelio | Anybody having issues installing lenny amd64 onto encrypted lvm.. the installer is failing, looks like it's tring to get a newer kernel and falling over |
| 15:42.16 | arvind_khadri | JPT, xev |
| 15:42.24 | Joelio | tried the latest ISO too.. |
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| 15:42.26 | WorldBFree | great, thanks |
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| 15:42.59 | tuv | Joelio: don't rely on it for critical data though until you have tested it long enough |
| 15:43.13 | tuv | oops |
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| 15:43.18 | tuv | WorldBFree: ^^^ |
| 15:43.21 | hyksos | hi, i got a nvidia card and want to enable dvi, but when i switch my monitor to dvi-input it shows a black screen, how do i activate/enable dvi-output ? |
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| 15:44.27 | bstock | hyksos: do you have both vga and dvi plugged in or something? should just have to plug in dvi cable and maybe restart the machine |
| 15:44.48 | [pablo] | rebooting X again |
| 15:45.08 | hyksos | bstock: i got both plugged in, isnt there anything without restarting? |
| 15:45.10 | WorldBFree | tuv, and it can create a ntfs partition just as good as the native windows? |
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| 15:45.26 | bstock | you have both plugged into the same monitor? |
| 15:45.35 | hyksos | bstock: yes |
| 15:46.00 | JPT | arvind_khadri: keyboard events are just "Key* events ? |
| 15:46.20 | bstock | hmm i dunno, the card may not see that there's an active monitor on the dvi connection and therefore not activate it |
| 15:46.42 | arvind_khadri | JPT, thats what you wanted to capture right? |
| 15:46.44 | bstock | easiest is to just shut down, only plug in dvi, and start up |
| 15:46.54 | hyksos | bstock: does X configure the dvi out automatically? no xorg.conf entry needed |
| 15:47.14 | JPT | arvind_khadri: yep... i just need to know where to look for the key on my keyboard that's triggered by some water... |
| 15:47.20 | bstock | depends on version of X, but normally don't have to do anything special for dvi |
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| 15:47.41 | hyksos | bstock: ok ,i try a reboot with dvi-only |
| 15:47.50 | arvind_khadri | JPT, water ? |
| 15:48.00 | JPT | i just cleaned my keyboard.. |
| 15:48.07 | JPT | it's nearly 100% dry |
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| 15:48.32 | JPT | but the reciever is still telling me that there is some key pressed...i just cannot figure out, which one |
| 15:48.43 | rgr | how is gpg-agent starting by default on my debian system? I am not running gnome or kde. |
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| 15:49.12 | rhineheart_m | hello.. any idea about promox |
| 15:49.49 | jelly | rgr: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent |
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| 15:51.06 | zxxd | where is the config what's the equivalent of the group wheel in debian ? adm or staff?] |
| 15:51.26 | rhineheart_m | anybody here uses proxmox virtu? |
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| 15:52.01 | jelly | zxxd: there is no equivalent. What do you want to do? |
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| 15:52.24 | [pablo] | jelly: it looks like the problem is linux not finding the touchpad in its /dev |
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| 15:52.34 | rgr | jelly: why would seahorse-preferences tell me no agent is running then on the pgp-passphrases tab? |
| 15:52.37 | stoove | hello, i am going to clone one of my debian installs. i know about dpkg --get/set-selections and i wondered if there is a similiar mechanism to find configuration files (mostly those in /etc/) for packages that have been altered by me. |
| 15:52.42 | rgr | (it is running btw) |
| 15:52.44 | JPT | hmm..looks like i just got the key working again... thanks ;) |
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| 15:53.45 | jelly | rgr: does GPG_AGENT_INFO env.variable exist? |
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| 15:54.02 | abrotman | !wheel |
| 15:54.02 | dpkg | well, wheel is n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. Irrelevant in Debian default configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password. See man pam_wheel for details. |
| 15:54.02 | zxxd | jelly: auth sufficient pam_wheel.so trust |
| 15:54.21 | rysiek | guys, anybody knows where can I set default mount options for hal+ntfs-3g combo? |
| 15:54.35 | cr3 | anyone happen to know of a way to store package versions in a database so that they can be sortable in a way compatible with dpkg --compare-versions? |
| 15:54.43 | rgr | jelly:according to set yes - "GPG_AGENT_INFO=/tmp/gpg-9wUxcR/S.gpg-agent:9272:1" |
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| 15:55.19 | hyksos | bstock: works, thanks |
| 15:55.21 | jelly | zxxd: huh. My bad! |
| 15:55.39 | rysiek | i.e. so that ntfs-3g-mounted volumes get locale=pl_PL.utf8 set by default |
| 15:55.39 | criticalsection | hi; is there a way to display the return/exit code of an application i want to run? |
| 15:56.04 | bstock | np |
| 15:56.06 | nkuttler | criticalsection: in bash echo $? |
| 15:56.38 | criticalsection | nkuttler: thank you! |
| 15:57.19 | jelly | rgr: no idea, but I'm getting a "** (seahorse-preferences:22692): WARNING **: Invalid or no GPG agent is running. Disabling cache preferences." despite the agent working otherwise. |
| 15:57.52 | stoove | dpkg and friends are aware of changes to config files and prompt if they overwrite a file that has been customized. what i want is a list of those files so that i dont have to back up all files in etc |
| 15:57.53 | dpkg | okay, stoove |
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| 15:58.39 | janik | I was wondering if anyone could help be to fix a problem with an external USB drive behind VIA chipset PCI controller that works ok at first but then inexplicitly slows down to crawl. Apparently this is a problem related to the network and/or Samba settings because locally the drive works at full speed. |
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| 16:00.13 | rgr | jelly: a quick google shows its a bit of a mess in user land. Thanks for the help though. |
| 16:00.40 | jelly | rgr: strace looks like a bit of a protocol/version mismatch |
| 16:00.41 | roe | I am trying to install libgtk2.0-0 from sqeeze on a lenny system. I do apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0 and it shows me the version currently installed is 2.12.11-4 and the version in squeeze is 2.14.7-5 0 however apt-get -t squeeze install libgtk2.0-0 returns " libgtk2.0-0 is already the newest version" |
| 16:00.44 | aixenv | anyone got a working lenny jboss startupscript? |
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| 16:00.50 | aixenv | all the ones ive found have issues |
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| 16:01.01 | jelly | read(17, "OK Pleased to meet you\n"..., 1024) = 23 |
| 16:01.01 | jelly | write(17, "AGENT_ID\n"..., 9) = 9 |
| 16:01.01 | jelly | read(17, "ERR 67109139 Unknown IPC command "..., 1024) = 45 |
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| 16:01.15 | jelly | roe: so yeah. |
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| 16:01.21 | jelly | roe: file a bug! :-) |
| 16:01.29 | hyksos | i downloaded terminator trailer 1080p, but when i watch it, it has black stripes at the top and bottom, also when i setup 1920x1080 screen-size? what do i wrong? |
| 16:01.54 | roe | jelly, it is rare I experience a problem that isn't user error. |
| 16:02.02 | roe | but I will |
| 16:02.06 | jelly | judd: versions gnupg-agent |
| 16:02.06 | judd | jelly: gnupg-agent -- etch: 2.0.0-5.2 lenny: 2.0.9-3.1 sid: 2.0.11-1 squeeze: 2.0.11-1 |
| 16:02.14 | dotCOMmie | anyone use bluetooth and 2.6.29 kernel? |
| 16:02.32 | jelly | roe: which version is your gnupg-agent package, btw? |
| 16:03.34 | jelly | roe: Mine gnupg-agent and seahorse are both at versions from stable, but I'm running testing, just not upgraded recently. |
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| 16:05.27 | roe | dpkg -l |grep gnupg-agent returns nothing |
| 16:05.27 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep gnupg-agent returns nothing |
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| 16:06.45 | roe | seahorse version 2.22.3-2 |
| 16:07.38 | hark | roe: does using aptitude work? |
| 16:07.57 | roe | yes |
| 16:08.38 | roe | what is the option for apt equivalent to -l of dpkg |
| 16:09.24 | stoove | does someone know how to find out if a file that a package installed is altered? |
| 16:09.54 | stew | roe: there isn't an exact equivalent, what exactly are you tyring to find out? |
| 16:10.08 | stew | stoove: have a look at debsums |
| 16:10.13 | roe | I am trying to answer jelly 's question |
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| 16:10.24 | roe | "roe: which version is your gnupg-agent package, btw?" |
| 16:10.28 | rgr | jelly: I fixed it. found the fix in ubunut forums. Delete that xsession 90 file. |
| 16:10.34 | stoove | ok thanks |
| 16:10.35 | hark | roe: he meant rgr |
| 16:10.52 | jelly | roe: oops! |
| 16:10.55 | roe | huh |
| 16:11.01 | rgr | lol! hosed system :-; |
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| 16:11.14 | rgr | restarted X and works fine now. |
| 16:11.17 | Joelio | Anybody having issues installing lenny amd64 onto encrypted lvm.. the installer is failing, looks like it's tring to get a newer kernel and falling over.. there's a definite issue. I'm using the uk.debian.org master mirror. |
| 16:11.23 | jelly | is confused by all the three letter people |
| 16:11.30 | Joelio | I may well try an offline CD install |
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| 16:11.56 | rgr | Wasn't Jelly the bodyguard in "analyse this"? |
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| 16:12.16 | rgr | jelly: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse/+bug/217270 |
| 16:12.27 | rgr | "works for me" .... :-) |
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| 16:13.22 | valdyn | hyksos: popably nothing |
| 16:13.23 | jelly | rgr: you could just purge gnupg-agent package |
| 16:14.08 | valdyn | hyksos: why do you even think that those black stripes are sign of something being wrong? |
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| 16:15.50 | rgr | worrying is that now there isnt an agent running though. Huh? |
| 16:16.48 | SgtPepper | anyone with lirc experience out there? |
| 16:16.50 | rgr | so what does seahorse use for cahcing? |
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| 16:17.48 | D4T | when a md device rebuilds does it keep the swap partition? mine didnt seem to :( |
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| 16:18.07 | jelly | rgr: looks like a) seahorse-agent is supposed to provide matching functionality, b) it's slightly incompatible with gpg-agent, c) the issue is present in debian too, and d) ubuntu people forgot to push the bug report back |
| 16:18.08 | icebrain | SgtPepper: tried #lirc? |
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| 16:19.08 | jelly | rgr: I'm looking at packages.debian.org/seahorse, and it looks the package (or the upsteam) is of rather low quality |
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| 16:19.19 | jelly | rgr: er, bugs.debian.org/seahorse |
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| 16:20.14 | valdyn | rgr: seahorse-agent |
| 16:21.17 | D4T | anyone? |
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| 16:23.34 | valdyn | D4T: what is "a device rebuilds" |
| 16:23.35 | rgr | jelly: as I said - a mess :-( The same mess as two years ago near enough when I first tried gpg-agent etc. I just started a bit of encryption from emacs and noticed some issues and now my head is spinning again with all the permutations and combinations of non compatible security aids .... |
| 16:23.39 | phantomcircuit | so im an idiot and i accidentally deleted part of a library that i need |
| 16:23.44 | phantomcircuit | how can i reinstall it? |
| 16:23.45 | valdyn | D4T: ugh, i misread |
| 16:23.49 | hyksos | valdyn: because fullhd is 1920x1080, when i setup my screensize to 1920x1080 then the full screen should be filled, or something is wrong, or? |
| 16:24.01 | valdyn | D4T: you mean resync? |
| 16:24.16 | jelly | rgr: if you don't need seahorse, perhaps it would be best to just purge it |
| 16:24.26 | jelly | rgr: gpg-agent looks more reliable |
| 16:24.28 | D4T | valdyn: I guess so, my Mac background makes me say rebuild :D |
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| 16:24.44 | rgr | seahorse is the "released" manager though I thought? |
| 16:24.50 | aixenv | anyone got a working jboss initscript with etch or lenny? i cant find any that work |
| 16:24.54 | rgr | nice UI for managing keys and syncing etc. |
| 16:24.56 | valdyn | hyksos: computer screens are typically 16:10 while the movie format at full hd and the suitable TV screens are 16:9 |
| 16:25.01 | jelly | rgr: released by what, for what? |
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| 16:25.21 | rgr | jelly: "recommended" or "base" key manager I meant. |
| 16:25.23 | valdyn | hyksos: on top of that the original version i even wider than that |
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| 16:25.42 | D4T | valdyn: before rebuilding I had 2 partitions on each disk, 1 for swap, 1 for raid. After replacing a disk and re-syncing the re-sync'd disk appears to have an invalid partition map but appears to functioning correctly according to mdadm |
| 16:25.46 | hyksos | valdyn: thats right, hmm |
| 16:25.47 | valdyn | hyksos: which means even a 16:9 original version on a real tv might get black stripes |
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| 16:26.06 | valdyn | hyksos: ^^ depeneds on that the vendor wanted |
| 16:26.25 | jelly | rgr: eh. I use gpg --edit-keys when I need to |
| 16:26.39 | valdyn | D4T: sounds like both disks had issues |
| 16:26.46 | valdyn | D4T: or you exchanged the wrong disk |
| 16:27.09 | D4T | valdyn: its raid5 of 3 disks, and it was deffo the correct disk (one had no activity). |
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| 16:27.30 | valdyn | D4T: raid5 can easily corrupt |
| 16:27.43 | hyksos | valdyn: but i can see sometimes, that the picture "hangs" for milliseconds, or it looks like if you can see how the picture is drawn, what could cause this? something must be too slow or? |
| 16:27.45 | D4T | valdyn: oh good lol |
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| 16:28.12 | valdyn | D4T: its not always visible for md that one disk is breaking |
| 16:28.29 | D4T | valdyn: I'm booted from it if that makes a difference? |
| 16:28.34 | valdyn | D4T: which in turn can get the wrong data stripped, or the wrong parity written |
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| 16:28.58 | valdyn | D4T: not really |
| 16:29.13 | D4T | valdyn: should I try another re-sync? |
| 16:29.28 | D4T | valdyn: the original disks are still showing fine |
| 16:29.42 | jelly | D4T: what sort of raid are you using? md raid? |
| 16:29.47 | valdyn | maybe its more likely that you made a mistake than that the broken disk corrupted the whole raid |
| 16:29.49 | D4T | jelly: yeah md |
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| 16:30.00 | valdyn | D4T: both is possible, no way i can know that |
| 16:30.26 | jelly | D4T: can you show us your /proc/mdstat and the command + output that shows an "invalid partition map"? |
| 16:30.27 | asher | hi, I'm using sid and getting this error after restarting Apache 2: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authnz_ldap.so: undefined symbol: ldap_err2string |
| 16:30.32 | D4T | valdyn: how do you mean "I made a mistake" ? As in removed the wrong drive? |
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| 16:30.55 | asher | it seems that Apache LDAP modules cannot load the main LDAP dlls, or perhaps they cannot resolv some symbols |
| 16:31.00 | asher | any clue on that? |
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| 16:31.25 | valdyn | D4T: no idea, its easy to miss something when i have only that few information, thats just what irc does, makes it easy to miss crucial things |
| 16:31.48 | valdyn | D4T: so help jelly out with that data please |
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| 16:32.28 | valdyn | !raid5 |
| 16:32.28 | dpkg | -- I heard raid5 is see raid or http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid -- also see http://www.acnc.com/04_01_05.html and click the various levels (0 ... 50, 0+1) on the page's RAID LEVEL: bar |
| 16:32.39 | valdyn | hmm |
| 16:32.41 | valdyn | !why not raid5 |
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| 16:33.17 | D4T | http://pastie.org/432718 |
| 16:33.25 | D4T | sorry about the colourisation |
| 16:34.12 | valdyn | D4T: oh what the fuck |
| 16:34.23 | D4T | valdyn: ROFL |
| 16:34.28 | D4T | valdyn: whats up? |
| 16:34.30 | rgr | jelly: do you use any gui front end for managing your gpg stuff? |
| 16:34.31 | valdyn | D4T: theres the "easy to miss thing" |
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| 16:34.42 | valdyn | D4T: your raid member sdc is not a partition |
| 16:34.49 | valdyn | D4T: im sure that is not inteded |
| 16:35.00 | D4T | valdyn: of its the whole disk |
| 16:35.04 | D4T | *oh |
| 16:35.15 | ranix | a whole disk shouldn't be a raid member |
| 16:35.25 | D4T | lol doh |
| 16:35.27 | ranix | that will get ugly fast |
| 16:35.34 | valdyn | ranix: why? |
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| 16:35.47 | valdyn | ranix: i mean sure not in his case, but why would that be true in general? |
| 16:35.50 | ranix | valdyn: why do we have partitions at all |
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| 16:36.16 | ranix | valdyn: why not just mkfs /dev/sda |
| 16:36.17 | valdyn | ranix: to create smaller block devices |
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| 16:36.35 | valdyn | ranix: yea, why not |
| 16:36.41 | valdyn | ranix: works fine |
| 16:36.48 | valdyn | ranix: just cant boot from it |
| 16:37.06 | jelly | rgr: nope |
| 16:37.11 | D4T | so i should remove the device from the raid, re-partition and re-add the partition back into the RAID? |
| 16:37.13 | ranix | valdyn: between some things acting screwy and some conventions not proprerly used, it's a bad idea |
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| 16:37.24 | valdyn | ranix: to be precise, i can boot from it, i just cant install a boot manager on it |
| 16:37.34 | D4T | I dont have a boot manager on it |
| 16:37.36 | D4T | BTW |
| 16:37.44 | valdyn | D4T: thats irrelevant |
| 16:38.02 | valdyn | D4T: the raid is spanning the partition table in your case |
| 16:38.05 | valdyn | D4T: *sure |
| 16:38.13 | valdyn | D4T: *sure* that partition table cant stay on it |
| 16:38.27 | D4T | valdyn: sorry? |
| 16:39.36 | valdyn | D4T: sdc is raid member -> whole sdc is involved in the raid -> partition table gets overwritten on sync |
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| 16:39.37 | jelly | D4T: so... where's the /proc/mdstat? Or is md0 the only md device? |
| 16:39.37 | D4T | jelly: md0 the only md device |
| 16:39.40 | ranix | not just the partition table |
| 16:39.42 | valdyn | D4T: so remove sdc from the raid, partition it properly, add the proper partition to the raid instead of the whole disk |
| 16:39.44 | ranix | the whole mbr |
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| 16:39.56 | D4T | ok will give it a try |
| 16:40.03 | D4T | ty all, as always :) |
| 16:40.05 | jelly | D4T: your swap isn't on a md device? |
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| 16:40.25 | ranix | jelly: swap is striped by default anyway when swap contains more than one drive |
| 16:40.31 | D4T | jelly: it wasn't, it was on each disk separately |
| 16:40.39 | ranix | no reason to md swap |
| 16:40.41 | D4T | ranix: exactly what i thought |
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| 16:40.56 | jelly | ranix: sure there is, to protect from kernel panic |
| 16:41.15 | D4T | jelly: oh i see |
| 16:41.18 | ranix | jelly: oh right. I hadn't thought of that |
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| 16:42.00 | Orveldv | hi, I use Lenny and I can't receive webcam images with kopete _from_ my contacts even though I installed libjasper-runtime ; any idea? |
| 16:42.16 | D4T | luckily this is a dev server so will just rebuild using a raided swap partition |
| 16:42.21 | elik | Installing an ubuntu .deb on debian, how likely is that to work? |
| 16:42.27 | D4T | jelly: sound ok to you? |
| 16:42.50 | jelly | D4T: does what sound ok? |
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| 16:42.54 | ranix | elik: it might, won't hurt too much to try. But, are you sure you cannot get that package backported from sid instead? |
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| 16:43.11 | D4T | jelly: I will rebuild the server using a swap partition on the md device |
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| 16:43.39 | valdyn | ranix: you mixed something up, swap on raid gives security, not raiding swap gives speed |
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| 16:43.58 | jelly | D4T: I can't comment on that before seeing your current partitions usage. |
| 16:44.05 | WorldBFree | what is a good small distro to quickly make ntfs partitions from a live cd |
| 16:44.12 | ranix | valdyn: yeah jelly pointed that out already |
| 16:44.20 | valdyn | ops, alright |
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| 16:44.30 | D4T | jelly: currently have about 1GB used of a 3TB md device :) |
| 16:44.54 | valdyn | D4T: think about using raid1, these disks are huge |
| 16:45.03 | elik | ranix, errr, mysql workbench.. if the official website doesn't have it... |
| 16:45.04 | valdyn | D4T: in production the sync will destroy your performance |
| 16:45.09 | jelly | D4T: how much swap do you need? |
| 16:45.12 | valdyn | D4T: for a *long* time |
| 16:45.29 | D4T | valdyn: I can afford the performance hit tbh |
| 16:45.35 | D4T | jelly: 8GB |
| 16:46.00 | valdyn | D4T: thats also time you go without protection |
| 16:46.05 | jelly | D4T: Huh. What's the machine's intended usage? :-) |
| 16:46.18 | D4T | jelly: web host |
| 16:46.32 | jelly | D4T: and you want 8GB of swap for... what, exactly? |
| 16:47.03 | D4T | jelly: lol, just following the guidelines of 1 to 1 on amount of RAM in server |
| 16:47.10 | ranix | elik: the more correct solution would be to build it from source |
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| 16:47.29 | jelly | D4T: how much RAM does it have? pastebin your sfdisk -d /dev/sda |
| 16:47.44 | valdyn | D4T: its probably some wasted space, you dont need 8G, but i guess you can afford that easily |
| 16:47.46 | ranix | elik: you can try using that .deb, it shouldn't do anything horrible |
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| 16:48.27 | D4T | jelly: http://pastie.org/432729 |
| 16:48.29 | valdyn | D4T: i *need* 10G though, but i solve that via temporary swap files, not partitions |
| 16:48.38 | jelly | D4T: frankly, if your system puts 8GB on swap, it'll be faster to hard reset on button than wait for it to unswap. That's how it works with my employer's web hosting machines. |
| 16:48.54 | D4T | jelly: fair point |
| 16:49.10 | elik | ranix, ok.. as for the sources, I guess I could do that if all else fail, but hum, others have failed |
| 16:49.18 | elik | ranix, and I'm not packaging export |
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| 16:50.20 | jelly | D4T: huh. What's the partition type used, GPT? That DOS part.table doesn't look right. |
| 16:50.29 | jelly | D4T: cat /proc/partitions |
| 16:50.47 | D4T | jelly: no this gets confusing.. its a Mac server so I have to have some odd partitions for it to boot |
| 16:50.57 | jelly | D4T: ah. |
| 16:51.37 | D4T | jelly: http://pastie.org/432730 |
| 16:51.55 | jelly | D4T: in any case, you want to do what valdyn said, and possibly replace the swap device with a raid1 one over two disks |
| 16:52.30 | D4T | jelly: so a system drive, and a raid1 ? I will also lose 1.4TB then |
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| 16:52.47 | rgr | jelly: wow. using gpg at command line is pretty hard core. Do you have scripts to sync keys with key servers or do you just remember their names? |
| 16:53.05 | D4T | jelly: is raid1 more reliable due to the lack of parity striping etc. ? |
| 16:53.10 | valdyn | D4T: one swap partion of 8G raided makes at most lost 24G for that |
| 16:53.12 | jelly | D4T: no... make a md1, raid1 out of your current devices used for swap |
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| 16:53.41 | cossa | hi |
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| 16:53.43 | jelly | D4T: raid1 is really just a suggestion. |
| 16:53.44 | cossa | !list |
| 16:53.44 | dpkg | cossa: VATTENE VIA |
| 16:53.48 | D4T | jelly: so i end up with a raid5 for boot and data, and a raid1 for swap? |
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| 16:54.07 | jelly | D4T: sure! :-) |
| 16:54.15 | valdyn | D4T: raid1 is more reliable because poisoning canot happen as easily and because syncing is much faster |
| 16:54.37 | D4T | i see |
| 16:54.43 | valdyn | D4T: your raid5 is small though, so the poisoning danger is also relatively small, nearly as good as raid1 |
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| 16:54.57 | jelly | D4T: I'd also use a raid1 for the system instead of raid5. |
| 16:55.15 | jelly | D4T: that's just convenience, though. |
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| 16:55.25 | valdyn | i also do find raid1 faster for real workloads |
| 16:55.33 | D4T | jelly: again because of reliability ? |
| 16:55.38 | D4T | valdyn: ok cool |
| 16:55.41 | valdyn | at least 2x raid1 > 1x raid5 if i have 4 disks |
| 16:55.49 | valdyn | D4T: but you just got 3 disks |
| 16:55.55 | D4T | valdyn: that is interesting though |
| 16:56.07 | jelly | D4T: yes. and the loss of space is negligible |
| 16:56.44 | jelly | D4T: eg. my / are usually 10-15GB, and 15GB loss on a 1.5TB drive isn't that much |
| 16:57.12 | jelly | compared to 5-8GB loss if you did a raid5 of same size |
| 16:57.39 | D4T | jelly: i see |
| 16:58.01 | D4T | jelly: basically, what we are all saying is raid5 sucks if you can avoid it? |
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| 16:58.19 | jelly | D4T: yes, use it only for data. |
| 16:58.26 | D4T | :) |
| 16:58.53 | jelly | wonders how much time it takes for a 1.5TB raid5 to resync |
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| 16:59.11 | D4T | jelly: it took 6 hours :D |
| 16:59.21 | D4T | jelly: but thats with no data |
| 16:59.28 | jelly | D4T: and you get to do it again! :-) |
| 16:59.40 | D4T | jelly: LOL oh isn't life just dandy for me :D |
| 16:59.50 | jelly | D4T: it would be the same with data (but with no load) |
| 17:00.12 | D4T | jelly: yeah sure, i mean't because of the lack of load :P |
| 17:00.23 | ghang | hi , my ntfs-3g not working probably after i install a multi packet by upgrade manager, it show a error like that : Errors were encountered while processing: dovecot-common E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 17:00.31 | jelly | 6 hourse isn't bad, I expected more |
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| 17:00.58 | D4T | jelly: yeah ntb |
| 17:01.44 | jelly | fsck time on a 3TB ext3 will be a killer though |
| 17:02.25 | D4T | jelly: is there a better FS for me? |
| 17:02.34 | D4T | jelly: im used to HFS+ lol |
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| 17:03.02 | D4T | jelly: only other FS i played with was ZFS on solaris :D |
| 17:03.18 | jelly | D4T: I haven't used the filesystems that are supposed to be better. xfs, or the newcomer ext4. |
| 17:03.50 | D4T | jelly: so what do you use? |
| 17:04.19 | jelly | D4T: ext3 (and cut my storage in small partitions, because I can. :-) |
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| 17:05.11 | jelly | D4T: note: I'm not saying xfs is bad, just that I haven't used it personally. |
| 17:05.36 | jelly | and thus, cannot comment on it |
| 17:05.41 | D4T | jelly: ok cool |
| 17:05.56 | D4T | right im off, that has been very informative all :D ty very much :) |
| 17:06.05 | diabu | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:06.11 | diabu | is back (gone 00:00:06) |
| 17:06.20 | diabu | is away: guitar |
| 17:06.23 | D4T | jelly: c ya |
| 17:06.29 | D4T | valdyn: bye :D |
| 17:06.38 | jelly | diabu: please switch that away thing off on this channel. |
| 17:06.44 | diabu | ok, sorry |
| 17:06.52 | jelly | np |
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| 17:21.02 | adama1 | !qotd0 |
| 17:21.02 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> hey isn't there some way to get a 4g file on fat32? like some different version of fat32 or something? |
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| 17:24.04 | teroknor | dpkg: the limit of fat32 is just 2gb max per file. |
| 17:24.04 | dpkg | okay, teroknor |
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| 17:25.07 | teroknor | dpkg, no.. actually it's really 4gb. i'm wrong. |
| 17:25.07 | dpkg | teroknor: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 17:25.36 | stew | dpkg: forget the limit of fat32 |
| 17:25.36 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'the limit of fat32' to forget, stew |
| 17:25.46 | stew | dpkg: forget limit of fat32 |
| 17:25.46 | dpkg | i forgot limit of fat32, stew |
| 17:26.02 | stew | teroknor: note, you were talking to a bot |
| 17:26.02 | godlygeek | heh heh |
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| 17:26.58 | adelie42 | I am using ssh and I want to forward ports, but I do not need a remote shell or anything else, just encrypted port forwarding. but I also need to give a password for the user. so far this works: ssh user@foo.com -D 10000 -f 'while true; do sheep 100s; done' . I figure there must be something less silly |
| 17:27.10 | adelie42 | any help? |
| 17:27.19 | teroknor | stew: oops.. stupid me. |
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| 17:28.44 | et | adelie42: -N |
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| 17:29.15 | valdyn | adelie42: what is that loop supposed to accomplish? |
| 17:30.27 | et | valdyn: hold the connection open so port forwarding works |
| 17:30.43 | valdyn | et: because he has a shitty firewall? |
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| 17:30.53 | valdyn | adelie42: are you trying to fix your shitty firewall with that? |
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| 17:31.23 | valdyn | et: i dont see that doing anything like it |
| 17:31.48 | et | see what? |
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| 17:31.54 | valdyn | et: that loop does nothing |
| 17:32.13 | valdyn | et: it doesnt cause network traffic, it does not keep anything open |
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| 17:32.57 | et | valdyn: it prevents ssh from exiting |
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| 17:33.22 | et | valdyn: what he wants is the -D part, and he doesn't know about -N so he asks |
| 17:33.37 | valdyn | et: i see |
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| 17:37.05 | jmpf | how can I suppress dpkg's ncurses menus? basically if I wanted to do something like 'apt-get install mysql' and then configure the stuff later; rather than configure through dpkg right then |
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| 17:38.33 | [pablo] | gah.. this touchpad problem is driving me crazy still |
| 17:38.48 | [pablo] | i tried every single advice from launchpad and different forums |
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| 17:39.14 | Kootrapali | did anybody see a grub loading 20-30 secs? |
| 17:39.22 | Kootrapali | i don't get why it's happening |
| 17:39.38 | Kootrapali | like overburn or irq conflicts or something |
| 17:40.24 | Kootrapali | then the whole system is loading slow as hell |
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| 17:41.29 | maligor | even pio mode 0 would be 3.3MB/s |
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| 17:44.16 | cYmen | I set up a debian box a long time ago. Now some sources in the /etc/apt/sources.list seem to not exist anymore. How do I start the configuration again? |
| 17:44.43 | Kootrapali | what repos do you prefer, internet ones? |
| 17:44.55 | cYmen | What else is there? |
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| 17:45.07 | Kootrapali | personally i load everything from mounted iso's |
| 17:45.23 | cYmen | ah no, I prefer online updates |
| 17:45.49 | Pnux | this might sound stupid, but i didnt find it specified. How do i add flags to the boot? Editing the grub list? |
| 17:45.53 | cYmen | I never install anything new but I need to update it sometimes. |
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| 17:46.22 | stew | cYmen: what version of debian are you running? i'm going to guess it is sarge, which is no longer updated |
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| 17:47.25 | digitaloktay | hi people |
| 17:47.30 | cYmen | stew: I think I upgraded sometime since then |
| 17:47.37 | rgr | Pnux: /boot/grub/menu.list search for flags and then run upgrade-grup |
| 17:47.45 | stew | cYmen: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:47.46 | digitaloktay | is xfce4.6 in experimental? |
| 17:47.50 | Pnux | rgr: thanks a lot |
| 17:47.52 | stew | digitaloktay: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 17:47.56 | rgr | grup==grub |
| 17:48.06 | rgr | Pnux: google first. read first. an error could be hell. |
| 17:48.20 | Pnux | already googled, couldnt find anything |
| 17:48.30 | rgr | Pnux: then google how to use google :-; |
| 17:48.31 | Pnux | and its already hell lol |
| 17:48.46 | stew | cYmen: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:49.02 | digitaloktay | stew, thx |
| 17:49.31 | rgr | Pnux: seatch for kopt. |
| 17:49.35 | stew | Pnux: when you edit /boot/grub/menu.lst ; you should be editing the "# kopt=" line or adding a new one, and note that the leading # on that line is NOT to be removed |
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| 17:49.48 | jelly | judd: versions xfce4 |
| 17:49.49 | judd | jelly: xfce4 -- etch: 4.3.99.2 etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2 lenny: 4.4.2.1 sid: 4.4.2.1 squeeze: 4.4.2.1 experimental: 4.6.0 |
| 17:50.06 | rgr | listen to stew. I got bitten by that. And its debian specific so dont follow any non debian howtos. I got bitten by that too.... |
| 17:50.27 | Pnux | stew, rgr: alrite, thanks |
| 17:50.31 | jelly | digitaloktay: last time I looked, the packages for xfce 4.6 in experimental were built for amd64 only |
| 17:50.38 | stew | Pnux: after you edit it, run "update-grub" which will propagate those options to the kernels in the "automagic" section |
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| 17:52.53 | lo127 | how do I list the latest user connections ? |
| 17:52.59 | cYmen | stew: http://paste.org/index.php?id=6255 |
| 17:53.23 | cYmen | stew: but I just tried upgrading and there currently is a problem... |
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| 17:53.45 | fire | hi |
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| 17:55.34 | fire | Have some one an idea: make a TsServer (ver2) reachable about hamachi through iptables? |
| 17:55.40 | stew | cYmen: it appears you are trying to upgrade from etch to lenny, see "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" for the recommended procedure |
| 17:56.01 | cYmen | thanks |
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| 17:58.15 | ghang | hi , i would like to know , how to set "file browser" (with panel) become the default file browser |
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| 18:00.27 | JyZyXEL | whats the difference between linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 and linux-image-2.6-openvz-686 |
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| 18:00.59 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: the openvz part and the fact that linux-image-2.6-openvz-686 is a metapackage |
| 18:01.24 | JyZyXEL | metapakcage to which kernel version? |
| 18:01.34 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: the one it points to |
| 18:01.43 | JyZyXEL | which is? |
| 18:01.43 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: latest |
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| 18:01.57 | JyZyXEL | i should install it over linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 ? |
| 18:02.08 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: the version of that package would tell you, not its name |
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| 18:02.38 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: why dont you read the package description |
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| 18:03.17 | depesz | hi. can you help me with bluetooth issue? |
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| 18:03.22 | JyZyXEL | they are the same |
| 18:03.38 | JyZyXEL | depesz probably not |
| 18:03.42 | depesz | i have started kbluetooth, and when i move my mouse, it says ""conencted to microsoft bluetooth mouse ..." |
| 18:03.47 | depesz | but the cursor doesn't move |
| 18:03.59 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: whats the same ? the package version? |
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| 18:04.11 | depesz | clearly - i did something wrong, but i don't know what. |
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| 18:04.52 | valdyn | depesz: xorg.conf needs to not set up your mouse or set it up using /dev/input/mice |
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| 18:05.16 | depesz | valdyn: let me check |
| 18:05.22 | minerale | can I see the contents of a package before I install it -- ie list the file? |
| 18:06.26 | depesz | valdyn: could you check this: http://paste.debian.net/32059/ |
| 18:06.40 | depesz | valdyn: this is xorg.conf straight from clean installation. |
| 18:07.18 | valdyn | depesz: ok, if restarting X does not fix it then i dont know |
| 18:07.37 | depesz | valdyn: ok. thanks. i'll restart in a moment. |
| 18:07.45 | fire | Have some one an idea: make a TsServer (ver2) reachable about hamachi through iptables? |
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| 18:09.28 | HSNews | People, how to set connection with router (WPA secure)? |
| 18:09.31 | HSNews | I can't understand |
| 18:09.40 | HSNews | Intel 4965 Wireless |
| 18:09.47 | peopleschump | is there a preferred way to format ntfs within deb? |
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| 18:12.48 | pihhan | HSNews: you want propably network-manager to setup wifi. you also need firmware for 4965, not sure if debian has package |
| 18:13.14 | Hydroxide | pihhan: there's firmware for it in the firmware-iwlwifi package in non-free |
| 18:13.17 | Hydroxide | HSNews: ^^^ |
| 18:13.28 | HSNews | Damn (((( |
| 18:13.51 | Hydroxide | HSNews: it works fine. I use it on my thinkpad |
| 18:14.11 | rgr | can anyone explain the link, if any , between gpg and ssh-keygen? And if no link what is the ssh key generator on the gnome seahorse interface? |
| 18:14.11 | Hydroxide | peopleschump: I think ntfsprogs has a program to do that (probably mkfs.ntfs once you install it) |
| 18:14.23 | Hydroxide | peopleschump: (could be wrong about the program name but the package is ntfsprogs) |
| 18:14.25 | HSNews | What I need to do, can u write step-by-step? simply aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi? |
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| 18:15.34 | HSNews | how turn off bluetooth in debian? |
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| 18:17.38 | khaije1 | how do i setup my laptop so that devices connected to wired eth0 can reach devices on the wlan ath0, basically i want my laptop to be a wireless bridge... |
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| 18:21.31 | jelly | khaije1: install bridgeutils and read away! (man bridge-utils-interfaces) |
| 18:21.44 | khaije1 | woohooo!!! |
| 18:21.49 | jelly | khaije1: bridge-utils, sorry |
| 18:21.56 | khaije1 | np thx |
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| 18:29.32 | zophy | khaije1, i use a simple script that calls my customized /etc/init.d/firewall script --> http://BrightVps.com/paste/600296 |
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| 18:34.29 | Ganon- | hi |
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| 18:36.36 | Agiofws | hello ppl |
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| 18:36.38 | Petrol | Hello |
| 18:36.42 | Agiofws | i have debian |
| 18:36.48 | grawity | waves at Petrol |
| 18:36.59 | Petrol | I need some help at my ipv6 on ma debian box : PP |
| 18:37.02 | adama1 | Agiofws: you're off to a good start |
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| 18:37.09 | Petrol | btw grawity called me here : P |
| 18:37.26 | Agiofws | and i have installed MING but through cvs and blender canot detect it can someone help me with this pls |
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| 18:37.33 | Agiofws | adama1, Checking for installed Python... got it! |
| 18:37.33 | Agiofws | Ming library not found - you will not be able to render animations |
| 18:37.33 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.39 | ludovico | Ciao a tutti |
| 18:37.46 | ludovico | potete darmi una mano? |
| 18:37.55 | adama1 | !it |
| 18:37.55 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:38.04 | Agiofws | and i have installed MING but through cvs and blender canot detect it can someone help me with this pls ; the error i get is Ming library not found - you will not be able to render animations |
| 18:39.00 | adama1 | Agiofws: why did you install it by CVS? it is in the repositories |
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| 18:39.13 | adama1 | aptitude install libming0 |
| 18:39.21 | Agiofws | adama1, i needed bleeding edge technology |
| 18:39.33 | adama1 | did you make install? |
| 18:39.36 | dustybin | how often and what time will this cron activate: |
| 18:39.38 | dustybin | 0 */24 * * * logcheck if [ -x /usr/sbin/logcheck ]; then nice -n10 /usr/sbin/logcheck; fi |
| 18:39.40 | valdyn | Agiofws: installing libraries is not enough if you dont run ldconfig |
| 18:39.43 | Agiofws | but i did ldconfig yes i did |
| 18:39.52 | Agiofws | let me try again |
| 18:40.03 | valdyn | Agiofws: whats wrong with the debian package? |
| 18:40.05 | adama1 | dustybin: once a day at midnight |
| 18:40.13 | dustybin | ok thanks |
| 18:40.19 | Kootrapali | italian debian |
| 18:40.23 | adama1 | but that time syntax is not very good |
| 18:40.26 | HSNews_ | People, please help me! I can't 'make' iwlwifi module :(( |
| 18:40.27 | Kootrapali | mi scuzi |
| 18:40.28 | HSNews_ | http://pastebin.com/m3a34bf82 |
| 18:40.28 | Kootrapali | heheh |
| 18:40.35 | adama1 | 0 0 * * * would make more sense dustybin |
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| 18:41.02 | Agiofws | valdyn, i need latest ming for makeswf |
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| 18:41.33 | valdyn | Agiofws: or blender really wants the python module, not just libming |
| 18:42.04 | valdyn | judd: versions libming0 |
| 18:42.05 | judd | valdyn: libming0 -- etch: 1:0.3.0-11 lenny: 1:0.3.0-14 sid: 1:0.3.0-14 squeeze: 1:0.3.0-14 |
| 18:42.14 | HSNews_ | can somebody help me? |
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| 18:42.23 | valdyn | judd: versions python-ming |
| 18:42.23 | judd | valdyn: python-ming -- etch: 1:0.3.0-11 lenny: 1:0.3.0-14 sid: 1:0.3.0-14 squeeze: 1:0.3.0-14 experimental: 1:0.4.2-4 |
| 18:42.35 | Petrol | any help on ipv6 for dynamic ip servers ?? |
| 18:42.54 | valdyn | Petrol: ask a real question |
| 18:43.24 | Petrol | It is real |
| 18:43.32 | Agiofws | valdyn, this blender plugin needs MING its a SWF renderer |
| 18:43.34 | Petrol | dynamic ip routers |
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| 18:43.36 | Petrol | i ment |
| 18:43.36 | macman | hi |
| 18:43.37 | HSNews_ | http://pastebin.com/m3a34bf82 |
| 18:43.39 | valdyn | Petrol: any help fix my car? |
| 18:43.40 | Petrol | there ya goo happy ? |
| 18:43.41 | HSNews_ | People help!!! |
| 18:43.43 | valdyn | Petrol: it not drives |
| 18:43.48 | Petrol | lol |
| 18:43.52 | Petrol | Ohh yee |
| 18:43.55 | Petrol | Sorry sec |
| 18:44.17 | macman | how much support does debian have for a laptop with a nVidia Corporation G71GL [Quadro FX 3500] ? |
| 18:44.29 | adama1 | macman: 122 |
| 18:44.32 | valdyn | Petrol: maybe you just need to install radvd |
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| 18:44.37 | macman | 122 ? |
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| 18:44.42 | adama1 | 122 supports |
| 18:44.47 | simonrvn | Agiofws: where did you get this? |
| 18:44.53 | Petrol | Well I am new at ipv6 on debian well i hav`nt ipv6.ed On servers its my first time and my ip is dynamic any ideas on how i could get ipv6 on my server with dynamic ip ? Btw Its Debian.. and i dont even know how to setup a tunnel what ever it is :// Am new : PP |
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| 18:45.11 | Petrol | radvd is already the newest version. |
| 18:45.11 | Petrol | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 56 not upgraded. |
| 18:45.11 | Petrol | Kamal:~# |
| 18:45.13 | Agiofws | get what simonrvn ? |
| 18:45.14 | Petrol | ;// |
| 18:45.18 | valdyn | Petrol: ok, dont ask us just yet, we dont provide ipv6 tunnels |
| 18:45.27 | simonrvn | whatever thing you're using |
| 18:45.28 | Petrol | Ye |
| 18:45.31 | macman | adama1, 122 im lost |
| 18:45.36 | Petrol | I know where to get ipv6 tunnels from |
| 18:45.42 | Petrol | tunnelbroker or go6 |
| 18:45.43 | grawity | Petrol: How about just using 6to4? |
| 18:45.44 | valdyn | Petrol: the probably best solution is your isp having a tunnel access point, ask your isp about that |
| 18:45.45 | Petrol | Il set that up |
| 18:45.49 | simonrvn | !ipv6 |
| 18:45.50 | dpkg | ipv6 is probably at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/, or to get rid of it, ask me about <noipv6> |
| 18:45.53 | adama1 | macman: what is the problem you are having? |
| 18:46.04 | simonrvn | meh |
| 18:46.10 | valdyn | Petrol: and the 2nd best solution is probably using a random tunnel provider, www.sixxs.net is one |
| 18:46.15 | macman | if i could get debian to install drivers for my nvidia card i would switch from ubuntu to debian |
| 18:46.22 | Petrol | k |
| 18:46.23 | Petrol | thxxxx |
| 18:46.28 | Petrol | alot! : )) |
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| 18:46.35 | valdyn | Petrol: well, your isp providing native ipv6 would be thereal number one, but i doubt they do that |
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| 18:46.52 | Agiofws | simonrvn, its a blender plugin alled pantograph it renders to swf |
| 18:47.00 | adama1 | !tell macman -about nvidia |
| 18:47.14 | adama1 | macman: debian has all kinds of nvidia support |
| 18:47.18 | Petrol | ye |
| 18:47.19 | Petrol | :/ |
| 18:47.20 | Petrol | Aol |
| 18:47.21 | valdyn | Petrol: for example, my isp operates a sixxs tunnel server |
| 18:47.23 | Petrol | wond`nt |
| 18:47.25 | Petrol | and its dynamic |
| 18:47.26 | simonrvn | Agiofws: ok thanks |
| 18:47.37 | Agiofws | my pleasure |
| 18:47.52 | valdyn | Petrol: these sytems are made for dynamic ips, its irrelevant that your ip is dynamic |
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| 18:48.02 | macman | guys i have debian live cd debian-live-500-i386-standard.iso .. when i boot in Virtualbox or just a regualr computer it brings me to the command line .. why is there no gui ? |
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| 18:48.41 | simonrvn | ah it does svg |
| 18:48.57 | sepult_ | macman: you inster your windows install cd and install it first when you boot |
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| 18:49.02 | Devrethman | does anybody here have ddclient working? |
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| 18:49.22 | macman | ? |
| 18:49.23 | valdyn | !tell Devrethman -about ask |
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| 18:49.47 | macman | know what |
| 18:49.51 | sepult_ | macman: configure your virtualbox to boot from cd, then put your cd in tha drive, then fire up virtualbox |
| 18:49.51 | macman | i have an actual debian cd |
| 18:49.53 | macman | no live |
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| 18:50.16 | Devrethman | ddclient doesn't work, does anybody here know how to make it do so? |
| 18:50.17 | sepult_ | macman: i mean a windows xp cd |
| 18:50.28 | macman | ugh .. i actually have a debian cd |
| 18:50.32 | macman | brb |
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| 18:51.16 | Devrethman | it gives no output and doesn't appear to do anything whatsoever |
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| 18:51.55 | steven_ | is regretting upgrading to mysql 5.1 on debian |
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| 18:52.48 | simonrvn | Devrethman: it has docs, they're good, read them. it also has a web site, and very popular, so $your_favourite_search_engine will have info too. |
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| 18:53.15 | Petrol | i been stuck on the ipv6 sign up |
| 18:53.15 | Petrol | lol |
| 18:53.16 | Petrol | You must enter a valid international phone number in E.164 format, thus +[country code] [local number] |
| 18:53.17 | Petrol | what the |
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| 18:53.56 | simonrvn | that's not difficult |
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| 18:54.04 | Petrol | ye it is |
| 18:54.11 | Petrol | My number is 02086130574 |
| 18:54.11 | Devrethman | simonvrn: I wouldn't be here if I could find answers in man pages/google/whatever |
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| 18:54.27 | Petrol | I put thatbut it wont work |
| 18:54.27 | Petrol | lol |
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| 18:54.57 | HSNews_ | People, how to setup WAP wifi connection? |
| 18:55.10 | HSNews_ | And where i can check, how works my wifi card? |
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| 18:56.27 | ryanCH | everytime i do, "aptitude install" something... it wants the CDROM .. how do i make it so it downloads from the internet? |
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| 18:56.37 | simonrvn | bets he could in under 5 minutes |
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| 18:57.15 | Petrol | sec |
| 18:57.23 | Petrol | ryanCH: I think i know that |
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| 18:57.34 | Petrol | Your sorces |
| 18:57.37 | adb | ryanCH: comment line "deb cdrom ..." in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:58.20 | Petrol | you want my sources list ? |
| 18:58.28 | ryanCH | sure |
| 18:58.30 | ryanCH | :) |
| 18:58.46 | peopleschump | is 22MB/s tranfer from a usb hd a good speed? |
| 18:58.51 | simonrvn | ryanCH: comment out the cdrom line, and update |
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| 18:59.33 | Petrol | Kamal:~# aptitude |
| 18:59.33 | Petrol | -bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 18:59.33 | Petrol | Kamal:~# |
| 18:59.35 | Petrol | I dont have that lol |
| 18:59.51 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 18:59.51 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 19:00.39 | Petrol | !aptitude |
| 19:00.39 | dpkg | [aptitude] now the recommended tool for managing packages on your Debian system. You can use it as a CLI replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in Lenny, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>. |
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| 19:02.13 | ryanCH | how is lenny with wifi? |
| 19:02.28 | ryanCH | i mean, is it a hassle like it was with etch? |
| 19:02.37 | cahoot | depends |
| 19:02.53 | ryanCH | they were talking like it was easier |
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| 19:04.37 | steven_ | ryanCH: that really depends i fond etch easy it just worked |
| 19:04.44 | cahoot | ryanCH: my experience is limited to iwl3945, b43 and zd1211rw - work just fine |
| 19:04.53 | steven_ | i guess it depends on hardware and how well supported it is really |
| 19:05.08 | Petrol | hm |
| 19:05.42 | steven_ | Anyone found problems upgrading to mysql 5.1 on debian specificaly with replication ? |
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| 19:06.26 | steven_ | steven_: i should mention this is mysql 5.1 from experimental |
| 19:06.37 | ryanCH | cahoot: ndiswrapper? |
| 19:06.45 | cahoot | no no |
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| 19:07.21 | Petrol | hay i loaded go6 tunnel |
| 19:07.25 | Petrol | and downloaded the software |
| 19:07.28 | Petrol | on my debian |
| 19:07.59 | Petrol | i edited gw6c.conf but how do i start the software? |
| 19:08.00 | macman | debian installer is ugly |
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| 19:08.24 | Petrol | ye |
| 19:08.57 | hark | Petrol: what software? |
| 19:09.26 | ryanCH | what desktop do you guys use? |
| 19:09.51 | Petrol | gw6c |
| 19:09.53 | steven_ | ryanCH: awesome |
| 19:09.54 | valdyn | Petrol: do you have a go6 account? did you read their docs and debians docs? |
| 19:09.57 | Petrol | from go6 |
| 19:10.01 | macman | Gnome PeterFA |
| 19:10.02 | macman | err |
| 19:10.10 | macman | Petrol, i use gnome |
| 19:10.14 | Petrol | i dont know where they are.. |
| 19:10.20 | valdyn | Petrol: /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/README* |
| 19:10.31 | valdyn | Petrol: were not going to read their website for you |
| 19:10.56 | ryanCH | ah |
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| 19:11.21 | Petrol | hmm |
| 19:11.22 | Petrol | sec |
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| 19:12.03 | Petrol | pico /usr/share/doc/gw6c/READ* |
| 19:12.05 | Petrol | did`nt help |
| 19:12.19 | macman | american idol is tonight :P |
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| 19:16.24 | Outh9x | It seems Debian Etch doesn't install the "gcc - The GNU C compiler" by default and I need it so that i can upgrade to a new version of Perl. Is apt-get install gcc the package I need or is there a better package? |
| 19:16.35 | hark | Petrol: this is not the place for help with unofficial debian packages.. but try /etc/init.d/gw6c start. |
| 19:16.42 | Danielss89 | I cant seem to figure out how to correct my hwclock. this is the time now: Tue 31 Mar 2009 07:15:31 PM UTC -0.697693 seconds <-- but im not in utc. im in GMT+1 plus its summertime here now, so it has to be 2 hours later. the time here is now 09.16 PM |
| 19:16.55 | Danielss89 | how would i correct this the right way? |
| 19:17.00 | stew | Outh9x: as I told you yesterday, you should not replace your perl version by compiling another, but by upgrading to the current debian stable |
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| 19:17.27 | jelly | Danielss89: that's the correct time. |
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| 19:18.12 | Danielss89 | jelly but i want it to show in my local time.. |
| 19:18.14 | Outh9x | stew: hey again. yeah, I did that last night but b/c of i use an older issue i X.org went crazy on me...something to do with an ati driver issue and a coupe of other errors... |
| 19:18.21 | jelly | Danielss89: 19:17 UTC == 21:17 CEST |
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| 19:18.38 | Petrol | hark |
| 19:18.39 | Petrol | Kamal:~# /etc/init.d/gw6c |
| 19:18.39 | Petrol | -bash: /etc/init.d/gw6c: No such file or directory |
| 19:18.39 | Petrol | Kamal:~# |
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| 19:18.39 | Outh9x | so i figured i'd do it the other way though i know it's not the best way. |
| 19:18.44 | stew | Outh9x: what is an example of an error you are getting? |
| 19:18.51 | HSNews_ | People, how to install nvidia geforce 6600 drivers? |
| 19:18.53 | jelly | Danielss89: oh, so you just want to change the system timezone? |
| 19:19.12 | stew | Outh9x: i'm not recommending it becuase "it's not the best way" but becuase "It will break things" |
| 19:19.21 | Outh9x | oh god, it was horrible....let me see if i can out in my notes... |
| 19:19.26 | Outh9x | brb |
| 19:19.28 | Danielss89 | jelly, yes, i guess |
| 19:19.42 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.42 | dpkg | rips the still-beating polygon_1.17-2_i386.deb from agiofws's chest, leaving agiofws in a coma. |
| 19:19.42 | Agiofws | dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in |
| 19:19.42 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.43 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 19:20.00 | jelly | Danielss89: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 19:20.07 | Agiofws | ? |
| 19:20.15 | Agiofws | whats the packages name ? |
| 19:20.34 | jelly | Agiofws: "polygon" |
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| 19:24.50 | dominiks | hey guys.. there is broken link at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny ... faq: 5.0.0 press release is pointing to 4.0 |
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| 19:25.08 | Outh9x | stew: Tons of warnings, but the 2 (or 3?) Errors -> EE 1) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0) 2) No Driver Available. Also, "Fatal Server error: no screens found." at the ver end of the messages. Essentially, I couldn't "startx" at all. I was working from a virtual terminal and it was just too weird for me. I didn't have the skills to figure it all out in other words. :) |
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| 19:25.37 | stew | Outh9x: aptitude install xorg ; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; and try again |
| 19:26.40 | barbaros | hi all. I've got messages from updater: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/updates/contrib/source/Sources: 404 Not Found what is wrong with apt? |
| 19:26.46 | stew | Outh9x: did you actually follow the instructions in chapter 4 of the release notes? |
| 19:26.56 | PeterM | barbaros: run apt-get update |
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| 19:27.13 | barbaros | ok |
| 19:27.25 | stew | dominiks: 'updates' shouldn't be in there |
| 19:27.32 | stew | dominiks: can you show us your sources.list ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:27.52 | Agiofws | how the do install compile this on debian ? |
| 19:27.54 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/extracted/Polygon-1.17$ls | paste |
| 19:27.54 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/jtyuDe76.html |
| 19:28.00 | Agiofws | do i * |
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| 19:28.25 | Agiofws | how the do i install and compile this on debian ? Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/jtyuDe76.html |
| 19:29.02 | dominiks | stew: I'm sorry.. I think i don't understand what do you mean :( |
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| 19:29.09 | stew | Agiofws: you wouldn't compile it, it will be compiled when you run it. setup.py is probably distutils, try "python setup.py --help" |
| 19:29.31 | stew | dominiks: the url in your sources.list is incorrect. there is no 'updates' in the http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny directory |
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| 19:29.39 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/YkOS7z42.html |
| 19:29.50 | PeterM | barbaros: Did it work? |
| 19:29.53 | barbaros | stew, my apt sources http://pastebin.com/d4c9555f6 |
| 19:30.14 | stew | dominiks: ooops, i meant that for barbaros, ignore me |
| 19:30.15 | barbaros | PeterM, nope |
| 19:30.27 | dominiks | stew: np lol :) |
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| 19:30.48 | PeterM | barbaros: looks. ok. |
| 19:31.09 | stew | barbaros: the deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ url should be changed to match the security.debian.org url from the line above it |
| 19:31.42 | PeterM | barbaros: Ahh⦠Line 10. |
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| 19:32.56 | PeterM | barbaros: Don't add lenny |
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| 19:33.24 | barbaros | where? |
| 19:33.30 | PeterM | barbaros: Don't add âlenny/updatesâ to non âsecurity-Serversâ⦠|
| 19:34.01 | abrotman | wtf language was that |
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| 19:34.54 | PeterM | abrotman: ? |
| 19:35.05 | PeterM | barbaros: http://pastebin.com/m6be0f930 |
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| 19:37.02 | barbaros | PeterM, thanks. it worked. apt-get update worked OK. |
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| 19:42.12 | larcen_ | hi all |
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| 19:45.23 | dergringo | Today I installed postfix postfix-mysql postfixadmin on Lenny. Since then rdiff-backup crashes: http://pastebin.com/d66529b6e |
| 19:45.26 | dergringo | any input? |
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| 19:49.18 | amgarchIn9 | hi, is there some analogue of "rpm -V" verify mode? And "rpm -aV" ? |
| 19:49.57 | dondelelcaro | amgarchIn9: debsums or similar |
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| 19:54.20 | dustybin | when i try and start SSH on my Debian XEN VPS, it says 'PRNG not seeded' ? |
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| 19:54.43 | PeterM | dustybin: Sounds like bittorrent. |
| 19:54.48 | dustybin | ? |
| 19:55.01 | PeterM | dustybin: âseedâ â Scnr. |
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| 19:55.08 | dustybin | nothing to do with torrent |
| 19:55.09 | amgarchIn9 | time debsums -al | wc -l gives 42 packages missing MD5, but completes in 0.4 secs!!! |
| 19:55.10 | dustybin | its a ssh problem |
| 19:55.16 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: it usually means that there isn't any entropy in the prng |
| 19:55.19 | ThoMe | can anybody help me with ip and iptables? |
| 19:55.20 | badiane | Hi guys! Have any of you guys had issues with xulrunner-stub consuming a lot of CPU and memory, especially running flash stuff? |
| 19:55.27 | PeterM | ThoMe: don't ask to ask |
| 19:55.31 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: what does that mean? o_0 |
| 19:55.40 | ThoMe | i would like when incoming package on port 710 then route back over a other gateway, not over default |
| 19:55.43 | ThoMe | is it posible? |
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| 19:56.01 | ThoMe | ip route add 192.168.1.37 dev eth1 table test |
| 19:56.01 | ThoMe | ip route add default dev eth1 via 192.168.1.37 src 192.168.1.37 table test |
| 19:56.01 | ThoMe | iptables -t mangle -I PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp -m multiport --dports 710 -j MARK 0x10 |
| 19:56.04 | ThoMe | is it wrong? |
| 19:56.07 | brokenfix | i want xterm to open always with the "large" font.. instead of having to do "^rightclick > large"... but i can't find it in the man. help?! |
| 19:56.09 | PeterM | ThoMe: mom |
| 19:56.14 | ThoMe | PeterM: jep. |
| 19:56.25 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: it usually means that you either need to wait for there to be entropy, or you need to make sure that /etc/init.d/urandom actually runs like it should |
| 19:56.26 | ThoMe | PeterM: danke. |
| 19:56.47 | macman | guys how do i change my defualt bash shell to zsh |
| 19:57.23 | stew | macman: chsh -s /usr/bin/zsh |
| 19:57.25 | dondelelcaro | brokenfix: set it in your .Xresources; man xterm for details |
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| 19:57.33 | PeterM | ThoMe: Macht Dein Klient geoip? |
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| 19:57.55 | ThoMe | PeterM: emm? wo? wieso? glaub nicht |
| 19:57.57 | brokenfix | dondelelcaro: scrap always.. what's the command to open it with "large"? |
| 19:58.11 | PeterM | ThoMe: Well⦠You have just mangled you package now, but it is not jet thrown into the right routing table. |
| 19:58.27 | PeterM | ThoMe: Weil Du mit Deutsch richtig lagst⦠|
| 19:58.33 | dondelelcaro | brokenfix: man xterm and read about -fn and friends |
| 19:58.50 | ThoMe | PeterM: nur ne vermutung. :-) |
| 19:59.03 | ThoMe | PeterM: was müsst ich denn an meinen zeilen da oben noch ändern? |
| 19:59.04 | dondelelcaro | ThoMe, PeterM: use #debian-de if you want to speak in german... |
| 19:59.28 | ThoMe | (ist da wer neidisch dass er kein deutsch kann? - ok ok er hat ja recht) |
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| 19:59.53 | macman | no good stew |
| 19:59.54 | PeterM | dondelelcaro: Sorry. We kept the real deb-talk in english |
| 20:00.15 | stew | macman: what do you mean? |
| 20:00.23 | macman | one sec |
| 20:00.26 | dondelelcaro | macman: uh... that's what changes it. getent passwd yourusername; and you'll see it changed. |
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| 20:01.22 | macman | i did that command then i did an echo $SHELL it still says /bin/bash |
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| 20:01.45 | dondelelcaro | macman: it'll say bash until you log out and log back in |
| 20:01.53 | dondelelcaro | (or start a new login shell) |
| 20:02.00 | macman | new terminal didn't work |
| 20:02.19 | brokenfix | he said login shell.. not terminal =P |
| 20:02.28 | dondelelcaro | the key phrase there is "login shell" |
| 20:02.45 | dondelelcaro | (loging out and logging back in is the easy way to do that) |
| 20:03.02 | macman | brb |
| 20:03.25 | dustybin | Creating SSH2 RSA key; this may take some time ...PRNG is not seeded |
| 20:04.07 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: yeah, that generally means that /etc/init.d/urandom didn't run or /var/lib/urandom/random-seed isn't there, or doesn't have anything useful in it |
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| 20:04.23 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: i think i need to install |
| 20:04.24 | dustybin | apt-get install udev |
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| 20:05.20 | bsdnux | i'm trying to implement a backup solution using rsync and hardlinks to a encrypted filesystem-in-a-file on a remote server running debian. this works well on linux clients, but cp doesn't seem to support the -al flags on mac os x and i don't know of any way to mount a loopback device on windows. my workaround is to mount the encrypted fs on the server just before backing up and let the... |
| 20:05.22 | bsdnux | ...server create the hardlinks et al. but that renders the encryption pretty much useless. my other idea is to mount a truecrypt image over samba or sshfs and rsync to that, but i'd still have the cp -al issue. any other ideas or hints are welcome... |
| 20:05.29 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: that worked :D |
| 20:06.02 | fluff | hi all - is there a syntax for apt-get to only download a package, even if the package already is installed? |
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| 20:06.37 | dustybin | what kind of stuff would you test / do if you got a VPS? |
| 20:06.42 | dustybin | are there any things i should check? |
| 20:06.58 | dustybin | 2.6.18-92.1.22.el5xen #1 SMP Tue Dec 16 12:26:32 EST 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:07.12 | Tramp | bsdnux: you have checked backuppc? |
| 20:07.17 | agua | hi, someone using a macbook under debian? thanks |
| 20:07.37 | simonrvn | agua: just ask the question... |
| 20:07.58 | agua | simonrvn: my isight is not working |
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| 20:08.04 | agua | and it seems to be no way to make it working |
| 20:08.23 | simonrvn | nothing to do with debian |
| 20:08.29 | cusco | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.30 | agua | simonrvn: why? |
| 20:08.35 | simonrvn | go ask in ##macosx |
| 20:08.36 | agua | ah, i know, is a linux issue |
| 20:08.40 | agua | simonrvn: but i am using debian |
| 20:08.42 | cusco | isight worked flawlessly after propper drivers were isntalled |
| 20:08.45 | cusco | its all on teh wiki |
| 20:08.46 | agua | it works in macosx ;) |
| 20:08.54 | cusco | !wiki |
| 20:08.55 | agua | and in previous kernel versions in linux debian |
| 20:09.11 | agua | cusco: mee too, but now is not working |
| 20:09.17 | simonrvn | news to me... |
| 20:09.18 | agua | the driver is in kernel tree since 2.6.26 |
| 20:09.37 | agua | and the firmware loads.. i dont know how to search for the bug |
| 20:09.53 | simonrvn | !tell agua -about bts |
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| 20:10.00 | sara2 | ciao |
| 20:10.17 | bsdnux | Tramp, yes i've looked at backuppc, but from what i read it uses smb to extract client data and i don't want to have the server access the clients, but vice versa (that's why i also don't want to use bacula and amanda) |
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| 20:11.13 | Tramp | bsdnux: ah, ok. Then nvm. From your initiad description I thought, backuppc would be "close to what you try to do" and maybe missed it. |
| 20:11.35 | bsdnux | Tramp, yes i guess so... everything's just close to what i want.. lol |
| 20:11.44 | fluff | says nevermind, he found /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 20:11.48 | bsdnux | that's why i always end up trying to build my own solution |
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| 20:12.46 | jelly | but the data ends up on the server anyway |
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| 20:14.00 | bsdnux | jelly, yes, but... i don't think it's a good idea to open smb access to windows clients from the outside. |
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| 20:14.29 | bsdnux | just doesn't feel right. |
| 20:15.10 | jelly | don't amanda and bacula have their own client end? |
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| 20:15.57 | jelly | last time I used amanda (admittedly, in 2001) it needed 1, maybe 2 ports open |
| 20:16.28 | dustybin | my VPS has this debian mirror by default |
| 20:16.29 | dustybin | http://mirrors.reflected.net/ |
| 20:16.34 | dustybin | does that look legit? |
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| 20:16.45 | bsdnux | and NAT wasn't an issue? |
| 20:16.59 | jelly | I don't use NAT. |
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| 20:17.20 | jelly | (not for backup anyway) |
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| 20:18.38 | jelly | and there's nf-nat-amanda in the kernel for some reason |
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| 20:19.48 | robd | Hi guys |
| 20:19.53 | robd | I had a kernel panic issue |
| 20:19.53 | bsdnux | maybe i just don't understand the whole amanda/bacula concept... i really like how rsync and hardlinks work on linux and *bsd. |
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| 20:20.11 | bsdnux | probably i should use different methods for different OSes |
| 20:20.18 | foetus | hi folks |
| 20:20.18 | robd | It looks like it's a problem with the swiotlb and perhaps too many SCSI commands are being stacked. |
| 20:20.19 | khaije1 | hey jelly, can u tell me why adding my wlan device to a br0 causes it to stop working? |
| 20:20.31 | jelly | khaije1: I can't! |
| 20:20.33 | robd | I've got a screenshot if there are any kernel experts who could gleam a better idea by looking at the back trace |
| 20:20.35 | khaije1 | heheh |
| 20:20.55 | Tramp | bsdnux: but you could use rsync for the windows-boxen (in a cygwin env) instead of samba (with backuppc) |
| 20:20.57 | khaije1 | the only thing i could figure is a routing priority thing, but idk it's a little over my head |
| 20:21.21 | robd | Would anyone here be of help debugging a kernel crash from Etch on a 64-bit x86 system? |
| 20:21.25 | khaije1 | not priority, order |
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| 20:22.01 | jelly | khaije1: I haven't tried to bridge wlan and eth myself, but my 2.4.17-based router seems to do it without many problems |
| 20:22.22 | bsdnux | Tramp, that's interesting. But another thing i'm missing in the backupPC description is encryption... |
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| 20:23.15 | Tramp | bsdnux: right. You'd have to work around this with some engineering. That's why I said backuppc may be close. |
| 20:23.21 | dustybin | I live in London / UK and the time on my home server says this |
| 20:23.32 | dustybin | private:~# date |
| 20:23.32 | dustybin | Tue Mar 31 21:22:55 BST 2009 |
| 20:23.33 | Tramp | bsdnux: but that sounds more like 20% missing instead of 90% |
| 20:23.36 | dustybin | which is correct |
| 20:23.43 | dustybin | on my VPS it says this |
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| 20:23.52 | dustybin | Tue Mar 31 20:25:27 UTC 2009 |
| 20:24.00 | dustybin | 'UTC' and its a hour behind |
| 20:24.10 | dustybin | how would one change it to match my home server? |
| 20:24.10 | ajavid | !utc |
| 20:24.10 | dpkg | somebody said utc was Coordinated Universal Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart |
| 20:24.24 | ajavid | shouldn't that but CUT |
| 20:24.26 | ajavid | instead of UTC |
| 20:24.29 | ajavid | ... |
| 20:24.33 | dustybin | ? |
| 20:24.34 | ajavid | s/but/be |
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| 20:24.48 | bsdnux | i guess i'll experiment a little. thanks for the input anyway. |
| 20:24.57 | ajavid | thats just retarded |
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| 20:25.12 | ajavid | ahhwell |
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| 20:25.20 | Tramp | bsdnux: like: (1) open encrypted data-store (2) start backuppc daemon (3) force backups (4) stop backuppc daemon (5) close encrypted data store |
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| 20:25.30 | TheSarge | Can I talk now? |
| 20:25.38 | elik | no |
| 20:25.42 | dustybin | nkjab:~# /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart |
| 20:25.42 | dustybin | Saving the system clock. |
| 20:25.42 | dustybin | Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. |
| 20:25.42 | bsdnux | Tramp, yes, but the first point is my problem |
| 20:25.55 | elik | TheSarge, we don't see what you type |
| 20:25.55 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.57 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.58 | TheSarge | How can I disable the root account after using sudo passwd to enable it? |
| 20:26.01 | Tramp | bsdnux: huh? how that? |
| 20:26.03 | bsdnux | because the data-store should be mounted on the client to be secure |
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| 20:26.37 | Tramp | bsdnux: you hava an insecure server and secure clients? |
| 20:26.39 | bsdnux | not on the server... because if some 1337-hax0r goes root, he'd just have to wait for the mount |
| 20:26.53 | bsdnux | no i have not, i'm just paranoid |
| 20:27.26 | stew | bsdnux: if hacker gets root on your box containing all of your backups, you've already lost |
| 20:27.34 | Tramp | bsdnux: sorry, but that concept sounds broken. You want a secure server - especially backup server. You want a centralized backup to easily make archives etc. |
| 20:27.36 | TheSarge | Can anyone help me please? |
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| 20:27.48 | bsdnux | stew, not if they're encrypted client-side |
| 20:27.49 | jester__ | ajavid, its UTC because of a compromise between french and English TUC (temps universel coordonné) CUT (coordinated universal time) |
| 20:27.49 | stew | TheSarge: man usermod |
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| 20:28.09 | stew | bsdnux: oh, ok |
| 20:28.19 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 20:28.30 | ajavid | so in french is it TUC, then also it is CUT and also it is UTC |
| 20:28.32 | ajavid | heh, wow |
| 20:28.36 | dustybin | i have found a something useful |
| 20:28.36 | confrey | I'm using xfce on a eeepc 1000H with debian 5.0, I can't see amsn's systray icon, I see its empty place, but icon isn't painted |
| 20:28.37 | dustybin | /usr/bin/tzselect |
| 20:28.52 | Tramp | bsdnux: but you could even transfer the completed backup to the client and then delete it on the server. Although this really sounds weird to me. |
| 20:28.55 | bsdnux | i have a concept that should work (except the hardlinks): that's mounting a samba share on the client, mounting a truecrypt image from that share and rsync to that. |
| 20:29.00 | ajavid | confrey, what happens on click/right click, does it do anything> |
| 20:29.10 | ajavid | confrey, just not drawing the icon, but else is ok? |
| 20:29.14 | bsdnux | Tramp, yes that would work, but i want to save disk space and bandwidth |
| 20:29.15 | foetus | I have written my own debian shutdown script yesterday, invoked by init, script itself lays in /etc, is non-executable, called rc.shutdown. Why is such functionality not part of the debian distro.. |
| 20:29.18 | ajavid | confrey, have you checked amsn on BTS ? |
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| 20:29.34 | ajavid | !tell confrey -about bts |
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| 20:30.04 | ajavid | foetus, what do you mean? why not |
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| 20:30.21 | bsdnux | ah.. and about my paranoia.. i'm talking offsite backups. ie from a company LAN to a remote dedicated server in a datacenter. |
| 20:30.22 | stew | foetus: what is the functionality exactly? |
| 20:30.40 | martianlobster | How can I tell which processes are zombie processes? |
| 20:30.46 | ajavid | basic is there unless you have something specific. May we see ytour script? |
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| 20:30.50 | ajavid | foetus, ^ |
| 20:31.00 | jester__ | they are marked with a Z in top martianlobster |
| 20:31.07 | martianlobster | jester__: thanks |
| 20:31.08 | TheSarge | so this is pretty much a RTFM "support channel" ? |
| 20:31.14 | TheSarge | Why do people even come here? |
| 20:31.31 | ajavid | martianlobster, ps ax | grep Z |
| 20:31.35 | jester__ | TheSarge, no its not ^^ that wasnt RTFM |
| 20:31.57 | confrey | ajavid, all work ok, only icon is not painted, but it have its place |
| 20:32.04 | ajavid | TheSarge, be patient |
| 20:32.15 | TheSarge | Yes it was he said man usrmod |
| 20:32.22 | ajavid | TheSarge, to disable the root account after you have setup sudo? uhmm. no idea |
| 20:32.34 | TheSarge | I didnt setup sudo |
| 20:32.37 | ajavid | TheSarge, afaik, on default if you select sudo, root doesn't ahve a password set |
| 20:32.45 | confrey | ajavid, but it don''t happen everytime, ofetn, but not everytime |
| 20:32.52 | TheSarge | I know like I said I set it with sudo passwd |
| 20:32.54 | ajavid | so what you may need to do is take out the root password |
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| 20:33.03 | ajavid | brb |
| 20:33.03 | jester__ | TheSarge, remove root's password? but that might be a bad idea |
| 20:33.08 | TheSarge | so just sudo passswd w/ no password? |
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| 20:33.39 | stew | TheSarge: the usermod command is a command that lets you change things in /etc/passwd. One of the things it could do for you is lock an account |
| 20:33.42 | jester__ | no that would want to you make a password... or set it to no passwd |
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| 20:34.07 | foetus | stew: it is a simple stop script, based on parts of reboot and rc.local. The init script is called rc.shutdown (the conterpart of rc.local), and the script itself is side by side to rc.local in /etc, but with an difference -- it is non-executable. The init-script invokes rc.shutdown at reboot or halt with two chmods. you can put in the same like in rc.local. |
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| 20:34.15 | TheSarge | omg, before I had to type sudo before anything root, so I disabled that by enabling the root account 'sudo passwd' but now I want it back how it was before... |
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| 20:34.35 | stew | TheSarge: so lock the root account |
| 20:34.45 | TheSarge | How? |
| 20:34.50 | jester__ | ... |
| 20:34.51 | stew | TheSarge: you can use usermod to lock an acount |
| 20:35.09 | TheSarge | omg nevermind ill go ask in ubuntu or something. |
| 20:35.12 | denis_ | hi, we have a procces that we can't kill with kill -9, and reboot is impossible. Is it a way to *really* force a reboot ? |
| 20:35.16 | stew | TheSarge: are you using ubuntu? |
| 20:35.24 | TheSarge | Nope |
| 20:35.31 | stew | TheSarge: then don't ask in #ubuntu |
| 20:35.42 | TheSarge | But they seem to know more about debian based distros nowadays then anyone else obviously |
| 20:35.44 | stew | TheSarge: what's wrong with using usermod to do it? |
| 20:35.53 | stew | TheSarge: you could also do it with vipw |
| 20:36.04 | TheSarge | How? What command do I type? |
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| 20:36.12 | nsadmin | TheSarge: note that rc.local is initially empty in debian... so there aren't pieces of it |
| 20:36.30 | cusco | denis_: you can force it |
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| 20:36.48 | stew | TheSarge: you'd use vipw to edit etc/shadow and change their password to an invalid one, "man vipw ; man 5 shadow" |
| 20:36.49 | HSNews_ | People, how to install NVIDIA Graphics drivers in Lenny? I've got error about kernel.. |
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| 20:37.11 | cusco | !tell denis_ about !sysrq |
| 20:37.22 | cusco | !tell denis_ about sysrq |
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| 20:37.36 | TheSarge | rtfm rtfm just like always |
| 20:37.54 | nsadmin | otherwise it would be someone reading to you... |
| 20:38.04 | TheSarge | Can you possibly just tell me what I need to put into the terminal to make it how it was before, I mean it took one command to enable it.... |
| 20:38.05 | ajavid | back |
| 20:38.07 | stew | TheSarge: yeah. the usermod manpage is pretty straightforward. is there some part of it you don't understand? |
| 20:38.29 | nsadmin | how did you make it the way it is now? |
| 20:38.33 | foetus | i use it for a simple logrotate at the moment -- works like a charme. |
| 20:38.33 | elik | TheSarge, you're some sort of troll aren't you? |
| 20:38.37 | TheSarge | sudo passwd |
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| 20:39.41 | ajavid | TheSarge, you need to read in order to learn. If you are looking for ready-made answers to your problems without yourself doing any work, then thats definitely not here |
| 20:39.41 | ajavid | elik, sotp |
| 20:39.42 | ajavid | TheSarge, we help you help yourself, we dont' spoondfeed |
| 20:39.42 | TheSarge | No I am not a troll I just want this fixed and I hate people who are just like RTFM, thats not what support channels are for |
| 20:39.42 | elik | ajavid, he, stop what, I wrote a single line |
| 20:39.42 | ajavid | TheSarge, open terminla, type man usermod |
| 20:39.42 | TheSarge | omg nevermind the debian people told me howto do it |
| 20:39.42 | ajavid | elik, there is no need to say things that may aggrivate the other person and/or cause the channel temperature to rise |
| 20:39.42 | TheSarge | I mean Ubuntu |
| 20:39.42 | elik | TheSarge, ubuntu you mean |
| 20:40.02 | foetus | hot here :) |
| 20:40.03 | nsadmin | TheSarge: you got someone to read to you... |
| 20:40.10 | TheSarge | Maybe thats why your userbase in the last 4 years has gone down 500%? Support? Maybe you should look into that, thanks alot. |
| 20:40.11 | ajavid | nsadmin, seriously. |
| 20:40.13 | ajavid | stop |
| 20:40.18 | elik | ajavid, are you saying the temperature was not already hot |
| 20:40.22 | TheSarge | No it was something completely different. |
| 20:40.36 | elik | ajavid, instead of stopping every one to gang on him, why not just kick the troll? |
| 20:40.38 | denis_ | cusco thanks ! |
| 20:40.40 | ajavid | TheSarge, your problem is solved. Anything elser you need help with? |
| 20:40.47 | elik | ajavid, I mean.. I understand, but at some point.. |
| 20:40.48 | TheSarge | shh |
| 20:41.02 | ajavid | shh or ssh ;) |
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| 20:41.22 | PeterM | ajavid: :-) |
| 20:41.29 | elik | ajavid, oh man :P |
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| 20:42.22 | nsadmin | I'm just trying to impress on the guy that in this world reading is necessary, otherwise he should pay someone to support him, presumably by reading/translating the manual to him, among other things |
| 20:42.24 | dustybin | i found the solution |
| 20:42.27 | dustybin | memorize this guys |
| 20:42.34 | dustybin | if your timezone / time is out |
| 20:42.36 | dustybin | do this |
| 20:42.37 | dustybin | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 20:42.41 | ajavid | nsadmin, no need to be sarcastic. Try to be productive instead. People respond to positivity more than negativity. |
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| 20:42.54 | ajavid | dustybin, you kjonw there is a handly little factoid for it ;) |
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| 20:43.04 | dustybin | :( |
| 20:43.15 | ajavid | !timezone |
| 20:43.15 | dpkg | hmm... timezone is "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, or or tzselect after etch |
| 20:43.16 | C4colo | The time here is: 14:43:19 -0700 (2:43:19 pm) |
| 20:43.17 | ajavid | :) |
| 20:43.23 | PeterM | nsadmin: What a good service. Lets make a manual-reader for, lets say, team-speak or what its called⦠|
| 20:43.39 | stew | lets please just move on... |
| 20:43.40 | abrotman | C4colo: please turn that off |
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| 20:44.26 | cusco | np denis_ |
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| 20:44.35 | ajavid | dustybin, /msg dpkg dpkg.web.search /msg dpkg dpkgbot (to learn how to effectively browse factoids for FAQ) |
| 20:45.00 | ajavid | dustybin, I browse factoids in my spare time sometiems for fun |
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| 20:45.32 | ajavid | dustybin, I mean, only about stuff I need to look up, see what debian factoids contain for a certain keyword, usually you find answers there but if you don't, then obviously ask here |
| 20:46.01 | HSNews_ | how to Install Lenny header files? |
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| 20:46.17 | ajavid | HSNews_, kernel headers? |
| 20:46.21 | HSNews_ | yes |
| 20:46.37 | ajavid | did you search for it in apt-cache ? |
| 20:46.41 | HSNews_ | NVIDIA setup tells me kernel not found( |
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| 20:47.18 | ajavid | package is usually linux-kernel-headers, but if you want to isntall nvidia, then /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 20:47.20 | nsadmin | HSNews_: oh? how did you get the kernel you're running now? |
| 20:47.26 | ajavid | HSNews_, that has instructions on how to setup nvidia on debian |
| 20:47.50 | HSNews_ | thanks, I'll try with bot |
| 20:47.52 | HSNews_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.01 | ajavid | HSNews_, use the debian way to install nvidia drivers |
| 20:48.06 | ajavid | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:48.06 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 20:48.23 | dustybin | if you want to do a apache2 redirect, do you need to use mod_rewrite ? |
| 20:48.29 | ajavid | dustybin, yes |
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| 20:48.33 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 20:48.33 | Sertse | hi |
| 20:48.44 | Sertse | anyone else having prob with debian multimedia? |
| 20:48.51 | ajavid | with the repository? |
| 20:49.01 | dustybin | ajavid: and the rewrite should be done in the .htaccess file? |
| 20:49.02 | ajavid | not I |
| 20:49.06 | Sertse | sid, or maybe that why... being sid. :) |
| 20:49.08 | ajavid | dustybin, correct |
| 20:49.11 | dustybin | ace |
| 20:49.29 | ajavid | dustybin, only if your virtual host or apache config settings contain allow override set |
| 20:49.47 | dustybin | ajavid: its a VPS |
| 20:49.49 | dustybin | i can do anything |
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| 20:49.58 | ajavid | but you still have to setup a vhost |
| 20:49.59 | ajavid | :) |
| 20:50.06 | dustybin | ajavid: aye ok |
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| 20:50.44 | ajavid | AllowOverride All directive is what you requrie |
| 20:50.59 | ajavid | dustybin, #apache would be more helpful |
| 20:51.04 | dustybin | ajavid: ok thanks :D |
| 20:51.09 | dustybin | is a re-direct 401 ? |
| 20:51.19 | ajavid | I forget |
| 20:51.30 | stew | dustybin: no, you don't need mod_rewrite to do a redirect, and no, you shouldn't do it in .htaccess unless you cannot edit the apache config |
| 20:51.32 | HSNews_ | help me, how to define VERSION of drivers, for my card: GeForce 8600M |
| 20:51.38 | HSNews_ | I can't understand( |
| 20:51.43 | stew | dustybin: a redirect is a 301 or a 302 |
| 20:51.44 | dustybin | stew: ohhhh |
| 20:51.55 | ajavid | dustybin, 301 or 302, moved temp, or moved perm |
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| 20:51.59 | ajavid | redirect |
| 20:52.07 | dustybin | i want a perm |
| 20:52.11 | dustybin | basically |
| 20:52.15 | dustybin | mydomain.net |
| 20:52.23 | dustybin | >>> redirect to >>>> www.mydomain.net |
| 20:52.24 | ajavid | stew, I have an own server, I don't bother apache much, just .htaccess |
| 20:52.54 | ajavid | even though you don't have to, its better to specify in .htaccess and keep default settings in apache and let the user override his settings |
| 20:52.57 | ajavid | imo anyway |
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| 20:53.16 | ajavid | unless there is something wrong witht his approach that I do no tknow about |
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| 20:53.25 | stew | dustybin: you need mod_alias, not mod_redirect |
| 20:53.37 | stew | err "not mod_rewrite" |
| 20:53.55 | dustybin | ohhhhhhh |
| 20:53.56 | ajavid | dustybin, you wanted to redirect...ahh |
| 20:53.59 | ajavid | never fucking mind |
| 20:54.05 | dustybin | language timothy |
| 20:54.17 | ajavid | I accidentally read you wanted to do rewrite not redirect |
| 20:54.20 | ajavid | sorry my bad |
| 20:54.34 | ajavid | you don't need mod_rewrite |
| 20:54.41 | stew | ajavid: *shrug* http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/htaccess.html : "In general, you should never use .htaccess files unless you don't have access to the main server configuration file" |
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| 20:54.50 | ajavid | stew, I See |
| 20:54.54 | ajavid | let me read |
| 20:55.09 | stew | ajavid: please don't use the enter key in place of punctuation |
| 20:55.15 | ajavid | sorry |
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| 20:57.30 | ajavid | stew, but to my credit, ya'll haven't had to tell me that in a while now :) |
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| 20:57.42 | stew | ajavid: have I told you that before? |
| 20:57.50 | ajavid | what?> |
| 20:58.16 | stew | sorry, i don't remember |
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| 20:58.34 | ajavid | I said ya'll... |
| 20:58.50 | abrotman | tells dpkg to tell stew about repeat ... |
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| 20:59.17 | ajavid | and yes, you've told me this once or twice before, but like I said, not in a while, since last in #debian-ops we spoke, so to my credit then. |
| 20:59.20 | ajavid | anyway... |
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| 21:00.07 | stew | oh, fucking hell, i just realized who ajavid is, which explains a lot |
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| 21:00.39 | ajavid | I can't believe you didn't know it was me. |
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| 21:00.56 | brokenfix | oh.. get a room you both |
| 21:01.01 | brokenfix | =P |
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| 21:04.24 | asterisc | hi guys, I managed to install debian from netinst, I installed xorg then kde, but when I'm about to startX, the KDE startup is stucked at the second step: initialization system services |
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| 21:05.35 | foetus | btw, is it a security risc (or whatever) to use sysklogd as the system logger? I've seen many websites with bad meanings about this program..on my machine he is working very nice..they say, syslog-ng is the better alternative, but why? |
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| 21:06.04 | Forai | hey guys, I have a lamp server I'm talking from now but debian is telling me that there's no network connection... |
| 21:06.32 | Forai | specifically, the network manager applet tells me "Network interface not found" |
| 21:06.45 | spook00 | Yeah, that thing isn't so bright. |
| 21:07.08 | maligor | network manager only knows about the interfaces it's allowed to use |
| 21:07.17 | maligor | ie, ones not configured in interfaces |
| 21:07.18 | Forai | how can I tell it "always use eth0"? |
| 21:07.24 | Forai | oh? |
| 21:08.00 | Forai | so the administration > network settings breaks the network manager applet? |
| 21:08.03 | maligor | network manager is totally pointless for a server |
| 21:08.10 | Forai | ok, thanks |
| 21:08.12 | Forai | I was so confused >< |
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| 21:08.51 | foetus | configure it manually. leave this applet alone :) |
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| 21:09.07 | maligor | it's mostly of interest to laptops |
| 21:09.14 | macman | hey all .. how can i make a image from a folder on the hd ? |
| 21:09.18 | maligor | since it allows handy wifi setup & roaming |
| 21:09.21 | Forai | also, mysql had some issues on another install where BAAAAAASICALLY it yelled that the init daemon couldn't find the mysqld.sock? |
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| 21:10.30 | Forai | literally, it was yelling "/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock not found, blah blah blah, cannot start" |
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| 21:12.19 | Forai | ok then, well, one last question and then that's it |
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| 21:12.45 | Forai | Computer yells at me "THIS IS A PHP FILE! I'M NOT OPENING THIS" pretty much |
| 21:13.18 | Forai | how can I tell it to be more promiscuous about the files it opens |
| 21:13.25 | brokenfix | yell back |
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| 21:13.39 | Forai | I don' thave a mic on my server sadly, so I doubt that would work |
| 21:13.44 | Forai | however I will give it a try later |
| 21:13.52 | dustybin | isnt it about time this silly line is removed |
| 21:13.55 | dustybin | Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default Full Name []: Room Number []: Work Phone []: Home Phone []: Other []: |
| 21:14.02 | nsgn | how long shoudl creating an ext2 filesystem on a blank disk take on debian? i'm on some nice hardware and wasnt expecting it to take 10+ minutes so far. its only a 100gb disk |
| 21:14.08 | klync | dustybin: heh |
| 21:14.08 | dustybin | who the hell uses that? |
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| 21:14.16 | dustybin | Room Number ? |
| 21:14.29 | klync | dustybin: i used to keep the phone # in records for my ftp server |
| 21:14.31 | Forai | wait till it yells back "I DO NOT ACCEPT NULL" |
| 21:14.34 | dustybin | heh ok |
| 21:14.52 | raz0 | nsgn, I know the installer takes a really long time since it does a real format instead of one of those 'quick formats'. |
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| 21:15.06 | nsgn | raz0: i'm not in the installer. this is a second disk i'm adding for storage |
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| 21:15.28 | raz0 | nsgn, Guess it's doing the same thing then. :) |
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| 21:15.53 | foetus | you mean the official installer from the DVD.. |
| 21:16.07 | raz0 | yes |
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| 21:16.13 | raz0 | well, I used the CD |
| 21:16.16 | raz0 | but same thing |
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| 21:16.21 | nsgn | raz0: whats odd is that i'm on VMware, so i can see some stats more easily, and the disk i'm trying to format hasnt been touched for about 10 minutes. no disk activity, and the cpu is pegged at 100% |
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| 21:16.30 | macman | anyone .. i want to make an iso out of a directory ? |
| 21:16.33 | foetus | i use netiso, i still have no problems. |
| 21:16.39 | macman | i know how to make a tar and tar.gz file i just want to make an iso |
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| 21:16.44 | raz0 | nsgn, that sounds weird |
| 21:16.47 | octo_ | im running miro over ssh, and the miro window and video are playing locally, but the audio was not sent through the ssh. It is playing on the remotes sound card ? |
| 21:16.50 | amphi_ | macman: mkisofs |
| 21:16.51 | octo_ | i that normal ? |
| 21:17.03 | nsgn | raz0: yup. what i'm thinking. i didnt do anything odd when setting it up though. just defaults. just wanted it mountable |
| 21:17.20 | nsgn | raz0: had no issue formatting the OS disk, which is 8gb, when installing |
| 21:17.34 | raz0 | *shrugs* |
| 21:17.37 | raz0 | I don't know then. |
| 21:17.46 | ajavid | amphi_, may I have the moron quote # |
| 21:17.46 | ajavid | ? |
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| 21:18.09 | ajavid | what was it, 24? |
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| 21:18.42 | ajavid | dustybin, hehehe room number |
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| 21:18.57 | nsgn | raz0: ahha, wow. right when i was about to hit cancel it finishes. go figure |
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| 21:19.06 | raz0 | hehe |
| 21:19.07 | raz0 | nice |
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| 21:19.43 | nsgn | raz0: i'm rather new to debian/linux. with this now formatted will it mount itself somewhere handy or must i make a mount point for it? |
| 21:20.09 | raz0 | you need to make a mount point |
| 21:20.16 | raz0 | /etc/fstab |
| 21:20.46 | nsgn | raz0: is it that way in ubuntu? |
| 21:20.50 | nsgn | for curiosity's sake |
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| 21:21.36 | spacepluk | Hi. I'm currently running testing with some packages from unstable and experimental. What happens If for example one of the packages from unstable moves to testing? |
| 21:21.59 | spacepluk | I mean one of those I have installed :P |
| 21:22.21 | azeem | spacepluk: "move" means "copied", really |
| 21:22.41 | azeem | the unstable package doesn't change until a new one gets uploaded to unstable |
| 21:22.46 | nsgn | any reason it defaults to ext2 instead of ext3? should i prefer one over the other? |
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| 21:23.44 | Forai | oh right |
| 21:23.51 | spacepluk | azeem: mmm, that was pretty obvious indeed :P thanks! |
| 21:24.03 | Forai | nevermind |
| 21:24.18 | Forai | I was going to ask "lol, debian supports pdf, does that mean adobe helped" and then I realized that it was a stupid question |
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| 21:25.30 | youmee | People, what I need to do? When I install nvidia-glx nothing happens.. glxinfo unknown command |
| 21:25.32 | youmee | :(((( |
| 21:25.50 | azeem | youmee: glxinfo is from mesa-utils |
| 21:26.12 | youmee | how to check is Nvidia-GLX installed? |
| 21:27.22 | foetus | you must activate glx in xorg.conf, maybe.. |
| 21:27.25 | youmee | wtf (( |
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| 21:27.51 | foetus | and the right module, called nvidia. |
| 21:27.56 | youmee | i haven't other commands like 'nvidia-..' |
| 21:27.59 | natanael | hello |
| 21:28.21 | youmee | damn! how to install nvidia-glx :/ |
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| 21:28.40 | foetus | not sure, was it nv or nvidia ? |
| 21:29.17 | spacepluk | youmee: I think I've seen something in the wiki |
| 21:29.43 | youmee | mmm.. what you mean NV? nVidia GeForce 8600M (notebook) |
| 21:29.57 | brokenfix | is there a way to make apt-get default to "--no-install-recommends"? and is it right to do that? |
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| 21:30.08 | apogee | hi |
| 21:30.08 | spacepluk | nv has no 3d support iirc |
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| 21:30.26 | foetus | what do i mean -- the kernel module in xorg.conf! |
| 21:30.46 | adb | brokenfix: edit /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 21:31.45 | spacepluk | youmee: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 21:32.28 | k-man | gah! why do i always have trouble upgrading the nvidia drivers? |
| 21:32.43 | k-man | bangs his head against the wall a few times |
| 21:32.43 | adama1 | cause they're non-free |
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| 21:32.52 | apogee | anyone an idea how to munt a ntfs file sys in fstab? i think i loaded the right ntfs stuff via aptitude.. still refsing. the vfat patition is mounting well. isn't the the file sys called ntfs for ntfs like i call a fat vfat? |
| 21:32.53 | k-man | adama1: yes - i know *sigh* |
| 21:33.16 | adama1 | !ntfs-3g |
| 21:33.16 | dpkg | i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 21:33.30 | apogee | my board seems to need a new charge :) |
| 21:33.35 | natanael | i have a atheros wifi card and want to use madwifi instead of ath5k, because the card doesn't work with ath5k |
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| 21:33.52 | spacepluk | k-man: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 21:34.03 | apogee | ntfs-3g? instead of ntfs? |
| 21:34.13 | natanael | but at startup the kernel loads ath5k to drive the card, how can i switch off ath5k and load madwifi instead? |
| 21:34.21 | stew | apogee: do you need to write to the ntfs filesystem? or readonly? |
| 21:34.30 | spacepluk | natanael: you need to black list the ath5k module |
| 21:34.43 | brokenfix | adb: there's only apt.conf.d/ i assume i should create a file there and put APT::Install-recommends "false";.. but what's the name? |
| 21:34.43 | apogee | read would make it as user |
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| 21:34.56 | k-man | is 64C too hot for my cpu? |
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| 21:35.17 | spacepluk | natanael: edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 21:35.25 | k-man | spacepluk: yeah, i'm following that guide but i still came unstuck |
| 21:35.41 | youmee | When I try to remove nvidia-glx, i've got error: rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/libGL.so': No such file or directory |
| 21:35.47 | youmee | what I need to do? |
| 21:35.47 | adb | brokenfix: edit /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf |
| 21:36.03 | apogee | it's hdb7 ntfs user,rw,auto by now |
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| 21:36.49 | gooliat | hi, where can i get information about the debian versions?, to see which one will suit for me, if stable or what |
| 21:37.00 | subsume | 5.0 |
| 21:37.10 | apogee | rw for convinience but doesn't work on fat either.. reading would be ok |
| 21:37.11 | cirzgamanti | hi, where should i put a command that is supposed to run when X starts up (if kde or gnome is run) ? |
| 21:37.13 | stew | gooliat: if in doubt, use stable |
| 21:37.15 | spacepluk | k-man: I don't have a nvidia, just happend to post that link on the previous line to your join :P |
| 21:37.36 | k-man | spacepluk: ok, thanks anyway |
| 21:37.52 | spacepluk | k-man: good luck |
| 21:37.53 | brokenfix | youmee: adb thanks so much |
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| 21:38.01 | brokenfix | oops.. just you adb =] |
| 21:38.02 | cirzgamanti | gooliat: if you want to have recent versions, use testing, if you need a rock solid system (server for example), use stable. |
| 21:38.02 | apogee | yes 5.0 seems great. even on legendary sys ;) |
| 21:38.19 | gooliat | stew: ok, but where can i see the information about each, and what the different tags mean (stable, release, current, unstable) |
| 21:38.22 | brokenfix | youmee: get the .run file in nvidia's website and run it |
| 21:38.32 | adb | brokenfix: you are welcome |
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| 21:38.47 | apogee | @stew any ideas |
| 21:38.59 | stew | gooliat: http://debian.org/releases/ |
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| 21:39.49 | k-man | when i try and do modprobe nvidia, i get this error: FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 21:39.50 | gooliat | steve: thanks, that was exactly what i was looking for |
| 21:39.57 | macman | guys .. is there a way to make it so when i right click in side of gnome/nautilus i get a Terminal here ? |
| 21:39.59 | apogee | i assume choosing the credit card option. just great and no glutter |
| 21:40.06 | natanael | spacepluk: ok thanks, an other thing is that modprob told me the files need .conf in a future releas |
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| 21:40.23 | natanael | should i add .conf to any of these config files? |
| 21:40.39 | youmee | how to stop X11? |
| 21:40.44 | apogee | maybe there's an unfree ntfs pack i might need? |
| 21:40.54 | youmee | /etc/init.d/gdm stop - isn't work |
| 21:41.12 | youmee | Stopping GNOME DIsplay Manager: gdm.. and it's all |
| 21:41.17 | spacepluk | natanael: I think we will get that done automatically with an update. I'd let it be |
| 21:41.25 | sepult | when i open vim on konsole to edit some files, i can't see anything, hardly i see some letters that's all, what could be the cause ? |
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| 21:41.50 | brokenfix | youmee: you shouldn't stop it if you're trying to install a driver |
| 21:41.53 | sepult | anyone's experienced that before ? |
| 21:42.00 | amphi_ | sepult: vim thinks you have a dark/light background ? |
| 21:42.28 | sepult | amphi_: i didn't set anything though |
| 21:42.43 | apogee | are you upgrading? |
| 21:43.01 | amphi_ | sepult: /nick amphi |
| 21:43.04 | amphi_ | oops |
| 21:43.14 | amphi | verdammt tail |
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| 21:43.28 | sepult | amphi: ?? |
| 21:43.45 | amphi | sepult: :set background=light doesn't help? |
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| 21:44.38 | apogee | come on nobody got a ntfs partition mounted in lenny? pass me the fstab line please |
| 21:44.42 | spacepluk | sepult: try :color slate |
| 21:45.01 | apogee | and the according packs |
| 21:45.33 | adb | !tell apogee about user accessible ntfs |
| 21:45.42 | gooliat | Ok, i think i'm going to go with squeeze. Does debian has any minimum installation cds?, since i want to customize most of the system |
| 21:45.42 | twobitsprite | sepult: maybe if you provided a screenshot |
| 21:45.47 | brokenfix | apogee: install package ntfs-3g and put this on fstab: /dev/sdblablabla /youmountpointhere ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 |
| 21:46.20 | brokenfix | gooliat: the netinstall cd is minimum |
| 21:46.27 | spacepluk | gooliat: there is the netinstall |
| 21:46.36 | spacepluk | :P |
| 21:46.58 | twobitsprite | spacepluk: learn how to touch type :P |
| 21:47.03 | gooliat | how much does it take to the netinstall cd to download the needed files usually? |
| 21:47.16 | spacepluk | It's too late :D |
| 21:47.33 | brokenfix | if you just want the minimal possible install it's probably about 100mb or even less |
| 21:47.37 | sepult | twobitsprite: can it be that the graphicsdriver is somehow intervening ? especially the framebuffer driver ? |
| 21:47.41 | sepult | hmmm |
| 21:48.00 | sepult | twobitsprite: those two commands have no effect on vim |
| 21:48.07 | twobitsprite | sepult: I doubt it |
| 21:48.09 | sepult | twobitsprite: it stays dark |
| 21:48.17 | twobitsprite | sepult: also, I didn't suggest any commands :) |
| 21:48.37 | twobitsprite | sepult: in fact, the only thing I suggested was the provide a screenshot :) |
| 21:48.37 | apogee | done |
| 21:48.41 | sepult | twobitsprite: you know what i mean, say settings then |
| 21:48.53 | brokenfix | apogee: now do this: mount -a |
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| 21:49.01 | brokenfix | it should work |
| 21:49.12 | apogee | so the fs declaration was wrong ntfs-3g stead of ntfs |
| 21:49.12 | spacepluk | sepult: Do you see something in a text console? |
| 21:49.48 | apogee | thx |
| 21:50.17 | brokenfix | wlcm brb bbq |
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| 21:50.28 | apogee | a hint for a good cups wrapper doc? want the brother mpc-235 to print |
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| 21:51.01 | brokenfix | cups and me don't get along =\ |
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| 21:51.45 | twobitsprite | apogee: IIRC, the cups web setup will let you choose a make/model and determine a wrapper for you |
| 21:52.00 | twobitsprite | just install the foomatic drivers |
| 21:52.32 | sepult | twobitsprite: ok i found it, vim is vim.gnome and vi was set to elvisnox via alternatives, now i set it to vim.gnome or vim.nox too and it displays correct |
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| 21:52.44 | sepult | heh |
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| 21:53.04 | sepult | twobitsprite: but don't ask me why elvisnox fails |
| 21:53.14 | cipherte1t | hi |
| 21:53.18 | cipherte1t | everybody |
| 21:53.31 | apogee | just great.. |
| 21:53.32 | cipherte1t | can anyone help me on rmvb codecs |
| 21:53.36 | cipherte1t | ?? |
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| 21:54.53 | sepult | twobitsprite: ok i found it, elvisnox can't find the font -*-*-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-c-*-iso10646-15 |
| 21:55.10 | sepult | twobitsprite: which is normal, cause there is none such coding |
| 21:55.19 | spacepluk | hehehe |
| 21:55.21 | sepult | twobitsprite: i just don't know where it gets it |
| 21:55.23 | apogee | what are these codecs good for? |
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| 21:56.07 | cipherte1t | apogee: we need it for watching palying video files. |
| 21:56.07 | apogee | mobile stuff like amr ? |
| 21:56.32 | apogee | a streaming thing so |
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| 21:56.55 | spacepluk | sepult: is this problem? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474202 |
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| 21:57.11 | Clooth | Can someone write me a snippet to organize all the files in the current folder into alphabetized folders? |
| 21:57.13 | Clooth | Is that hard? |
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| 21:57.26 | Clooth | Would be greatly appreciated.. |
| 21:57.49 | brokenfix | from a to z? |
| 21:57.57 | Clooth | yea |
| 21:58.18 | twobitsprite | Clooth: hint: "mkdir a; mv a* a/" |
| 21:58.26 | ajavid | Clooth, try #bash |
| 21:58.36 | brokenfix | that's what i was gonna suggest.. since i don't know bash scripting =P |
| 21:58.37 | Clooth | ohhh I forgot about the wildcard thingy, twobitsprite |
| 21:58.38 | Clooth | :D |
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| 21:59.04 | twobitsprite | Clooth: hint 2: help for |
| 21:59.07 | brokenfix | you could probably do that in 2 or 3 lines with perl or something |
| 21:59.20 | twobitsprite | brokenfix: or 2 or 3 lines of bash |
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| 21:59.46 | brokenfix | i haven't yet learned bash 'cause i'm lazy |
| 22:00.00 | Clooth | I can just do it manually I guess |
| 22:00.01 | spacepluk | twobitsprite: or 1 line of python lol |
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| 22:00.25 | twobitsprite | spacepluk: well... you could do it in one line of bash too, it would just be a fairly long line :) |
| 22:00.27 | cipherte1t | anyone know any command to shut the monitor of my laptop? |
| 22:00.41 | Clooth | hit the power button |
| 22:00.47 | twobitsprite | cipherte1t: xrandr --output LVDS --off |
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| 22:01.20 | cipherte1t | thanks twobitsprite |
| 22:01.33 | twobitsprite | wins with a wild guess |
| 22:01.53 | cipherte1t | wtf it does not work |
| 22:01.59 | Outh9x | What package gives you a C compiler? |
| 22:02.02 | spacepluk | twobitsprite: just kidding :P I guess that for that job bash suits best |
| 22:02.03 | twobitsprite | cipherte1t: damn |
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| 22:02.23 | brokenfix | Outh9x: gcc |
| 22:02.24 | stew | Outh9x: are you still insisting on replacing your perl version on etch with a newer one? |
| 22:02.24 | twobitsprite | spacepluk: its what it was made for :) |
| 22:02.35 | cipherte1t | twobitsprite: it says no protocol specified |
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| 22:02.40 | twobitsprite | Outh9x: build-essentials |
| 22:02.53 | twobitsprite | cipherte1t: ok, then I don't know... man xrandr |
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| 22:03.44 | spacepluk | cipherte1t: you may have to replace LVDS with something else, check the man pages to see the list |
| 22:03.45 | stew | Outh9x: seriously. its not a good idea |
| 22:03.49 | Outh9x | stew: yeah. :) |
| 22:03.49 | nsadmin | twobitsprite no s at end of build-essential |
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| 22:03.52 | twobitsprite | brokenfix: yeah, gcc works, but somehow I imagine he'd like an assembler, and maybe "make" too... |
| 22:04.03 | twobitsprite | nsadmin: ohh, thanks |
| 22:04.04 | stew | Outh9x: you are going to break dpkg |
| 22:04.18 | Outh9x | hmmm |
| 22:04.26 | twobitsprite | Outh9x: does backports not have ther version you want? |
| 22:04.35 | Outh9x | Perl 5.10 |
| 22:04.36 | stew | twobitsprite: he wants to upgrade perl on etch to 5.10 |
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| 22:05.00 | nsadmin | he should build it in his home dir or something |
| 22:05.00 | twobitsprite | I don't know... I'm too lazy to check backports too |
| 22:05.13 | stew | he should upgrade to lenny |
| 22:05.18 | twobitsprite | nsadmin: provided he doesn't need higher level libs, etc :) |
| 22:05.30 | ajavid | does judd know about debian backport packages? |
| 22:05.34 | abrotman | he's going to break a lot of things |
| 22:05.35 | abrotman | ajavid: yes |
| 22:05.38 | Outh9x | nsadmin: this is what I did http://sial.org/pbot/35798 |
| 22:05.46 | nsadmin | twobitsprite: usually if you build it, it figures out and uses the libs you got |
| 22:05.55 | Outh9x | but this is what I got back: http://sial.org/pbot/35800 |
| 22:05.59 | twobitsprite | nsadmin: unless it needs a newer version |
| 22:06.20 | twobitsprite | nsadmin: but I suppose something like perl wouldn't make itself require newer versions of libs very often |
| 22:06.20 | abrotman | Outh9x: do you understand you're going to *break* your system if you continue ? |
| 22:06.32 | ajavid | obviously not |
| 22:06.35 | nsadmin | twobitsprite: true,,, but that can easily be resolved by checking the deps |
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| 22:06.45 | stew | i've told him a half dozen times already |
| 22:07.08 | twobitsprite | nsadmin: right... I'm just saying if he needs newer libs, just installing to $HOME isn't that easy :) |
| 22:07.11 | stew | and no, perl is not something that shows up on backports |
| 22:07.24 | ajavid | uhm, why not just use lenny |
| 22:07.32 | abrotman | he won't tell us? |
| 22:07.40 | ajavid | ahhh boy |
| 22:07.51 | stew | he said that he got "no screens found" |
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| 22:07.58 | Outh9x | I installed Lenny last night... |
| 22:08.01 | nsadmin | I'll tell him once: if you upgrade the system-wide copy of perl, you can easily break system things in your, uhh, system |
| 22:08.04 | ajavid | so lets fix his xorg, what has this got to do with perl.. |
| 22:08.16 | Outh9x | "ati" module issue? |
| 22:08.17 | ajavid | (sorry I don't know the entire situation, just curious) |
| 22:08.24 | Outh9x | couldn't startx |
| 22:08.38 | stew | Outh9x: aptitude install xorg ; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:08.45 | ajavid | Outh9x, so thats not a big deal, did you ask here for help on how to fix your Xorg? |
| 22:08.47 | spacepluk | who needs X anyway :P |
| 22:08.50 | sepult | twobitsprite: oh wee i forgot that one in my .Xresources with a 15 ending that's why |
| 22:08.54 | nsadmin | so you have at least a coupla choices |
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| 22:09.18 | nsadmin | which will not break your packaging system |
| 22:09.44 | cipherte1t | guys i have problem installing java... |
| 22:10.00 | ajavid | cipherte1t, just ask |
| 22:10.03 | spacepluk | cipherte1t: which one? :P |
| 22:10.07 | ajavid | cut to the chase |
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| 22:10.24 | ajavid | don't tell us that you have a problem, instead, just tell us the problem :) |
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| 22:11.01 | cipherte1t | spacepluk: sun java 6u13 |
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| 22:11.29 | jedimindtricks | what file do i need to make a usb stick run netinstall? |
| 22:11.36 | stew | cipherte1t: what command did you run to install it, what error did you get? |
| 22:11.42 | cipherte1t | it's a .bin file and i tried ./java..something but no result |
| 22:11.45 | stew | jedimindtricks: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 22:11.53 | stew | cipherte1t: why not use the debian packages of sun's java? |
| 22:12.21 | cipherte1t | stew: i tried finding it but not found it... |
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| 22:12.33 | ajavid | cipherte1t, yes you have to add non-free for sun's java |
| 22:12.34 | stew | cipherte1t: its in the 'non-free' section. /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 22:12.41 | jedimindtricks | stew HEH |
| 22:12.57 | KavanS | jedimindtricks, you listen to JMT? |
| 22:13.06 | ajavid | jedimindtricks, also covered in the lenny install guide chapter 5 booting the installer I think |
| 22:13.11 | niklas__ | ah great, thanks dondelelcaros |
| 22:13.11 | stew | cipherte1t: the package name is sun-java6-jre or sun-java6-jdk (and possibly also sun-java6-plugin) |
| 22:13.19 | cipherte1t | stew: ok will try it |
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| 22:13.43 | cipherte1t | stew: can we apt it? |
| 22:13.44 | brokenfix | he probably doesn't need the jdk |
| 22:14.00 | nsadmin | unless... |
| 22:14.09 | stew | cipherte1t: yes, "aptitude install sun-java5-jre" or "aptitude install sun-java6-jdk" for instance |
| 22:14.11 | brokenfix | unless he wants to develop in java |
| 22:14.12 | nsadmin | he wants to compile java source code! |
| 22:14.32 | cipherte1t | nsadmin: sumthing along that line |
| 22:14.53 | ajavid | then he needs to get the jdk |
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| 22:15.23 | spacepluk | that's funny I would kill for *not* having to code java at work :P |
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| 22:15.42 | ajavid | if you don't like what you do, stop doing it. |
| 22:16.00 | spacepluk | I'm working on it :P |
| 22:16.04 | nsadmin | he like what he get after he do! |
| 22:16.26 | foetus | i must log out for reducing my disk space.. |
| 22:16.45 | spacepluk | nsadmin: sure I do :P |
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| 22:18.05 | ajavid | I just am in love with php, and I recently started using the Zend Framework and tried a few orm libs, it seems to be the bees knees. I wish I'd discovered ZF sooner. I don't like java, I don't care for java, don't wanna code java. |
| 22:18.08 | brokenfix | is it recommended to use apt-get --no-install-recommends by default? to save space... |
| 22:18.16 | ajavid | brokenfix, no |
| 22:18.22 | brokenfix | why? |
| 22:18.36 | ajavid | brokenfix, leave it alone, more often than not recommends are stuff you may need |
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| 22:18.41 | stew | you would be missing packages that one would expect to be installed |
| 22:18.43 | brokenfix | some things install like 100mb worth of packages i'll never need |
| 22:18.45 | ajavid | if its recommended, its for a good reason |
| 22:19.16 | azeem | or it didn't get demoted to suggests when recommends became installed by default |
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| 22:20.17 | brokenfix | if i install some simple packages like the ones you need to do "make pdfdocs" in the linux source it install a bunch of TeX stuff that i'll never use |
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| 22:20.35 | spacepluk | ajavid: I'm liking python a lot lately. I've done some stuff with php4/mysql and I was nice also :P |
| 22:20.53 | ajavid | look, if you know what you're doing, then you can do what you want. If you're asking here, obviously you don't know enough, so take our word for it |
| 22:20.59 | ajavid | spacepluk, lets go to ##programming |
| 22:21.51 | ajavid | brokenfix, I always build my system(any new debian system) from the ground up, I keep suggests and recoomends off and I know what I need and what I don't need etc. etc. |
| 22:21.57 | spacepluk | you're right. I better go to bed, there will be a lot of java waiting for me tomorrow :P |
| 22:21.59 | brokenfix | ok.. but if a package does not deppend on something, it *should* work fine still, shouldn't it? |
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| 22:22.25 | ajavid | brokenfix, as default, debian keeps suggets and recommends on for people who don't know much, because recommends are packages that are reguied for full featureful functionality, not just barebones basic functionality |
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| 22:22.34 | ajavid | recommends are good, unless you know what you're doing |
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| 22:22.49 | brokenfix | hm.. my system is "built from the ground" as well |
| 22:22.49 | Nibbler | hello guys somebody knows how i can get this design type for my debian : http://fc18.deviantart.com/fs32/i/2008/223/2/e/New_Black_Debian_by_damianfossi.png |
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| 22:23.19 | spacepluk | bye! |
| 22:23.26 | ajavid | Nibbler, I can make that in less than 10 minutes in gimp :) |
| 22:23.33 | pappanz_ | doeas anyone know why xfce4.6 packages are missing today from debian NEW? |
| 22:23.39 | Nibbler | is it built in ? |
| 22:23.42 | pappanz_ | *does |
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| 22:23.53 | Nibbler | the firefox pidgin button set on the bottom ? |
| 22:23.59 | karsten | Is there anything like network-manager for dealing with removeable storage? udev/hotplog? |
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| 22:24.00 | ajavid | Nibbler, no, this design(wallpaper) does not come with debian afaik |
| 22:24.04 | karsten | s/log/lug/ |
| 22:24.21 | ajavid | Nibbler, you can email/pm/contact the poster of this screenshot on that website and ask him to share it with you |
| 22:24.36 | Nibbler | i did :P but ididnt got a reply :-) |
| 22:25.13 | enouf | karsten: you mean like a DE? :-P |
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| 22:25.26 | brokenfix | is that launcher in the bottom a launcher or just icons? |
| 22:25.45 | Nibbler | ajavid: is this a GDM? or GTK 2.0 ? |
| 22:25.45 | karsten | enouf: ?? |
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| 22:25.55 | enouf | karsten: automount stuffs? DE == Desktop Env |
| 22:25.55 | ajavid | Nibbler, thats just a wallpaper |
| 22:26.04 | karsten | enouf: My understanding is that this is usually handled through GNOME/KDE, right? |
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| 22:26.12 | ajavid | Nibbler, as for the gtk2 engine, not a black one comes with gnome afaik |
| 22:26.13 | Nibbler | even the bottom one ? "menu line" |
| 22:26.18 | karsten | enouf: I'm revisiting my partitioning FAQ. |
| 22:26.22 | enouf | karsten: yes - the automount stuff is |
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| 22:26.29 | ajavid | Nibbler, yes that is the gtk2 engine, more than likely on www.gnome-look.org |
| 22:26.33 | ajavid | maybe |
| 22:26.35 | karsten | enouf: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 22:26.44 | Nibbler | thanks :-) |
| 22:26.51 | svip_ | How do I set the language for my machine -- globally? For some reason my machine is in German! |
| 22:27.17 | ajavid | Nibbler, if not, then its a gtk2 engine made by that guy, or maybe he is just using a black colored gtk2 engine from gnome-look, but he made the background so he posted on debianart |
| 22:27.19 | Outh9x | all: ok, i totally agree i shouldn't break my distro b/c of this, that silly....anyways, i "aptitude installed xorg" on Etch and it was okay, nothing to do there. Then issued "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and I get a screen that states: http://sial.org/pbot/35801 (which <Yes> highlighted). |
| 22:27.20 | enouf | karsten: though there's other things like usbmount which don't depend on a DE, and then you have the hotswap (for IDE drives/trays), and scsiadd / scsitools stuff for sata, etc |
| 22:27.33 | enouf | er pkgnames |
| 22:27.43 | karsten | svip_: localconfig IIRC or dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 22:28.04 | karsten | enouf: YEah, I just touch on it very briefly, mostly to complain. |
| 22:28.06 | Nibbler | thanks for helping :-) i apreciate this ! :) |
| 22:28.13 | ajavid | you're welcome |
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| 22:29.13 | svip_ | karsten: I do not have the "locale" package. |
| 22:29.51 | karsten | svip_: locales |
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| 22:30.33 | karsten | BTW, anyone who can review and ping me w/ comments on http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html I'd appreciate it. |
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| 22:30.57 | karsten | Scary: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+partitioning+faq |
| 22:32.23 | jedimindtricks | how about a pxe boot |
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| 22:32.47 | bluethundr_ | for some reason I am unable to access ftp mirrors from debian installer.. any suggestions? |
| 22:32.50 | adb | Nibbler: i can share you this ... http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_6.png |
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| 22:34.19 | Nibbler | adb: thank you :-) i look for that one i posted in particular thoug, because i want the bottom feature with clicking on the names |
| 22:35.17 | adb | oh. ok |
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| 22:39.48 | cipherte1t | hmmm |
| 22:39.51 | cipherte1t | ... |
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| 22:45.04 | rdz | how can i check, which usb version an external harddrive is using? |
| 22:45.44 | rdz | somehow i can only read and write with ~1MBps, which makes me assume, that something is odd |
| 22:46.21 | rdz | like: the disk is dying or so.. but i performed a filesystem check and there were no errors |
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| 22:46.43 | jedimindtricks | man this is too complicated |
| 22:47.02 | jedimindtricks | there is no way i can turn a netinstall cdimage into a usb stick workable imagte? |
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| 22:47.41 | brokenfix | i'm running squeeze.. is it wrong for me to install a package from the sid repos? |
| 22:47.42 | jedimindtricks | http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/ |
| 22:47.45 | jedimindtricks | or is this it? |
| 22:47.51 | raz0 | jedimindtricks, yes, it's quite easy too |
| 22:47.56 | raz0 | if you have a linux system available |
| 22:48.05 | jedimindtricks | i honestly dont know waht to do with those files |
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| 22:48.29 | raz0 | you just need to zcat that boot.img.gz to /dev/yourusbdics |
| 22:48.39 | raz0 | and then copy over the iso image afterwards |
| 22:48.50 | jedimindtricks | wow is that all? |
| 22:48.54 | raz0 | yep |
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| 22:49.15 | jedimindtricks | thanks |
| 22:49.20 | raz0 | note, the boot.img.gz file and the iso need to match |
| 22:49.24 | raz0 | for some defintion of match |
| 22:49.30 | raz0 | :p |
| 22:49.39 | raz0 | it'll complain on boot if they don't |
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| 22:50.11 | DragonCairn | IceWeasal & Firefox - can't execute both at the same time because they identify as the same process? |
| 22:50.37 | JPT | yep... |
| 22:50.39 | jedimindtricks | hm |
| 22:50.44 | rdz | DragonCairn, where did you get firefox from anyway? |
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| 22:51.39 | DragonCairn | rdz: synaptic? |
| 22:51.42 | rdz | DragonCairn, i thought, that debian delivers only iceweasel, but not firefox.. (from wha ti kow, it is the exact same browser, but only the name is different) |
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| 22:51.54 | rdz | DragonCairn, what kind of sources do you have enabled? |
| 22:52.00 | rdz | DragonCairn, are you actuqlly on ubuntu? |
| 22:52.13 | DragonCairn | rdz : No, different variant of Deb - Dream |
| 22:52.30 | rdz | DragonCairn, i see... |
| 22:52.48 | DragonCairn | rdz: But thank you for confirmation - take care |
| 22:53.01 | rdz | DragonCairn, well, i don't know theexact details, but bnoth are the exact same programs except their name |
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| 22:54.55 | icebrain | and copywrited images, iirc |
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| 22:57.45 | devicenull | is there a package for vmware-tools somewhere that comes with all the kernel modules for etch? |
| 22:57.59 | devicenull | it's getting kind of old recomipiling the kernel modules on each new vm |
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| 23:01.52 | dondelelcaro | devicenull: m-a a-b open-vm; should do it |
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| 23:02.30 | devicenull | dondelelcaro, problem with that is I still need the kernel source + build tools on every vmware image |
| 23:02.39 | devicenull | which.. seems like a waste of disc space |
| 23:02.52 | rdz | somehow the external drive seems to have switched to uhci. how can i make it to use ehci again without pulling the usb-plug? i don't have physical access.. and i am almost sure, that it was using ehci before |
| 23:03.10 | dondelelcaro | devicenull: no, you just need to build the deb package once, and then stick it on the vmware images |
| 23:03.32 | devicenull | that command will build a deb package? |
| 23:03.49 | dondelelcaro | devicenull: yes. m-a builds deb packages always, which you'd normally just install |
| 23:04.05 | dondelelcaro | devicenull: but nothing stops you from building them on some other machine and distributing them using a package repository |
| 23:04.09 | devicenull | ahhh I didn't realize that |
| 23:04.15 | devicenull | thanks, I'll look into that |
| 23:04.48 | devicenull | simiarly, how difficult would it be to create my own debian install cd containing stuff like that and answers to all the questions it asks |
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| 23:05.45 | dondelelcaro | not terribly difficult; see preseeding et al. |
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| 23:06.03 | devicenull | cool I'll look into it |
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| 23:08.04 | rdz | what makes debian suddenly think, that a device supports only uhci, but not ehci? |
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| 23:08.46 | rdz | the drive was attached all the time.. i tried reloading the 'ehci_hcd' module, but still it is only using uhci |
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| 23:17.13 | getBoa | how can i listen to radios like that http://www.2dayfm.com.au/player ? |
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| 23:17.32 | getBoa | Ive hit play but nothing happens |
| 23:17.47 | Ariel_Calzada1 | hi i want to list files and dirs created last year any idea??? |
| 23:17.55 | sepult | getBoa: realplayer |
| 23:18.26 | getBoa | sepult: is there any plugin for icewease ? |
| 23:18.38 | sepult | getBoa: maybe, i don't know |
| 23:18.47 | sepult | getBoa: err yes yes there is |
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| 23:18.56 | sepult | getBoa: i'm sure there is |
| 23:19.04 | sepult | getBoa: but don't ask me the name |
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| 23:19.13 | kanzure | Hello. I'm having some weird problem with debconf and apt today. "xargs: xargs.c:450: main: Assertion `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)' failed. |
| 23:19.57 | kanzure | Any ideas on what this is about? There seems to be some parse error in the configuration scripts that apt wants to run for debconf. I've tried debconf=1.5.26 and debconf=1.5.11etch2, but both have this problem. Also, apt-get remove debconf is a terribly bad idea. |
| 23:20.28 | sepult | kanzure: if you have bash completions running that could be an issue |
| 23:20.40 | kanzure | What do you mean? |
| 23:20.49 | kanzure | tab completion? |
| 23:20.58 | sepult | kanzure: no |
| 23:21.00 | sepult | kanzure: bugs |
| 23:21.22 | kanzure | I haven't upgraded my system any time soon. All I tried to do was install R. |
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| 23:21.52 | jedimindtricks | hm where should this boot.img go on the usb stick drive ? |
| 23:22.00 | jedimindtricks | into the [BOOT] folder, right? |
| 23:22.26 | sepult | jedimindtricks: no |
| 23:22.39 | jedimindtricks | sepult not the / ? |
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| 23:22.49 | sepult | jedimindtricks: you extract it as such to a stick |
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| 23:22.57 | kanzure | is there any particular way that I can tell apt to not care about debconf? It's already installed- and I know it is- but apt and the /var/cache/apt/ package thingy thinks it isn't. |
| 23:23.02 | jedimindtricks | because i already did that and tried it. the result |
| 23:23.07 | sepult | dd if=boot.img of=/dev/usb or some such |
| 23:23.08 | jedimindtricks | i still got "operating system not found" from the nc10 |
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| 23:24.17 | kanzure | oh crap, I ran an apt-get -t unstable |
| 23:24.27 | simonrvn | jedimindtricks: dude, your jedi mind tricks aren't helping? :P |
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| 23:24.45 | jedimindtricks | simonrvn this thing doesnt have a mind heh |
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| 23:24.53 | jedimindtricks | eyes the samsung |
| 23:25.19 | simonrvn | heh heh |
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| 23:28.39 | twobitsprite | I see dpkg has thingers for realtek 8029, 8139 and 8101e... where does 8111C fall in to all of this? |
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| 23:31.11 | yoanis | hi there |
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| 23:32.07 | yoanis | i had this server with a SATA Controller RocketRAID 2310 |
| 23:32.28 | yoanis | recently i upgraded my system to debian 5.0 |
| 23:32.59 | yoanis | but the driver provided by the vendor doesn't work with kernel 2.6.26 |
| 23:33.13 | yoanis | had anybody experienced a similar issue? |
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| 23:35.00 | cipherte1t | yoanis: for me it's working f9 |
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| 23:35.33 | yoanis | cipherte1t: which kernel version are you using? |
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| 23:36.56 | jedimindtricks | i shall have to try pxe |
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| 23:39.52 | route_ | Will the newest Debian install on a Sun UltraSparc 1? |
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| 23:41.14 | cipherte1t | yoanis: 2.6.XX |
| 23:41.27 | Outh9x | stew: what were those two commands that had to do with possibly "fixing" my Xorg problem? I should of put it in my text editor but didn't. |
| 23:41.51 | Outh9x | that last one was dkpg.... |
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| 23:43.54 | yoanis | cipherte1t: yes,but which specific? |
| 23:44.01 | yoanis | cipherte1t: yes,but which specific version |
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| 23:47.43 | ssamoon | :( why come i has no Makefile_32.cpu in my headers, and why didn't the repos have 2.6.26 headers? |
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| 23:49.32 | ssamoon | trying to get my debian on.. macbook pro not making it easy. |
| 23:50.17 | Zyferus | i am trying to install something with aptitude, and it decided it wants teh CD. Problem is i don;t have direct access to the machine anymore to put the Cd into it |
| 23:50.31 | ssamoon | Zyferus: do you have root access? |
| 23:50.36 | Zyferus | is there a way to force aptitude to get everything form the intenet w/o the Cd? |
| 23:50.38 | Zyferus | yes |
| 23:50.39 | adama1 | Zyferus: remove the cd-rom line from the sources.list |
| 23:50.49 | simonrvn | Zyferus: comment out the cd source and update |
| 23:50.49 | Zyferus | i have to remember where that list is :P |
| 23:50.50 | ssamoon | Zyferus: exactly.. /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:50.56 | Zyferus | TY |
| 23:51.06 | adama1 | and aptitude update |
| 23:51.32 | ssamoon | no one else having module-assistant problems with the new headers? |
| 23:52.06 | adb | ssamoon: which arch ? |
| 23:52.10 | ssamoon | 686 |
| 23:52.16 | ssamoon | not 64 |
| 23:52.22 | ssamoon | maybe i should get 64 bit? |
| 23:52.49 | adb | it seems so ... |
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| 23:53.36 | ssamoon | installed 32bit on this macbook pro.. just didnt see a reason to run 64 bit when i only have 4GB ram |
| 23:54.10 | ssamoon | is that a reasonable conclusion to have made? |
| 23:54.34 | amphi | ssamoon: aye |
| 23:55.06 | ssamoon | alright well... fight with my headers in a bit, thanks anyhow |
| 23:56.53 | Zyferus | I've got a process taht won;t kill |
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| 23:57.18 | Zyferus | any way to force it? |
| 23:57.28 | adb | ssamoon: why don't use ? >> linux-headers-2.6.26-1-all_2.6.26-13lenny2_i386.deb |
| 23:57.50 | ssamoon | adb: why not use wha? |
| 23:58.06 | ssamoon | Zyferus: sudo kill -9 <pid> |
| 23:58.10 | ssamoon | Zyferus: know how to get pid? |
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| 23:58.38 | Zyferus | ps -ax |
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| 23:59.17 | ssamoon | Zyferus: yep, should work. you can ps -a | grep <process name> if your list is huge and you want to cut down output... not sure if you know this already though |
| 23:59.43 | Zyferus | yea |
| 23:59.45 | adama1 | I prefer -fax |
| 23:59.48 | adama1 | ps fax |
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