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| 00:15.17 | gooliat | girl you hit me with the bomb... then you said so long |
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| 00:21.15 | orioni_ | any good irc channel about networking ? |
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| 00:21.31 | nsadmin | #networking? |
| 00:21.36 | nsadmin | :) |
| 00:21.37 | Tramp | orioni_: maybe ##networking |
| 00:21.41 | joe-mac | hi i am having a problem preseeding the sun java files to accept the license automatically, anybody care to help? |
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| 00:21.50 | joe-mac | i have the preseed files and look like they should work, but theyd on';t |
| 00:21.51 | orioni_ | i tried network :) |
| 00:22.12 | nsadmin | but you didn't tried #networking ? |
| 00:22.37 | nsadmin | you should tried it! |
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| 00:23.41 | Tramp | nsadmin: would he have been redirected automatically? |
| 00:23.47 | orioni_ | no answer, are they guru ? :) |
| 00:24.07 | orioni_ | anyway , my isp is routing me a /28 subnet . i want to know any good way to route that to my clients |
| 00:24.12 | Tramp | orioni_: you waited a full 43 seconds for an answer? |
| 00:24.24 | orioni_ | yep :P |
| 00:24.41 | orioni_ | it was a full |
| 00:25.04 | Tramp | orioni_: by ##networking standards, that's about 2 orders of magnitude too impatient |
| 00:25.34 | orioni_ | uuu |
| 00:25.38 | orioni_ | didnt know |
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| 00:26.05 | jelly-home | didn't wait to find out! |
| 00:26.21 | orioni_ | im still loged there |
| 00:26.33 | Tramp | orioni_: and for routing you will need a machine that routes. Is he really routing the /28 or is it a directly connected net (i.e. the ISPs router uses an IP out of this range)? |
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| 00:27.00 | orioni_ | routing |
| 00:27.04 | deonild | Hi, I want to install debian and KDE4. Would stable or testing be the better branch to use? |
| 00:27.22 | orioni_ | if u want you can have a look at my setup here |
| 00:27.24 | orioni_ | http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6677/networkc.png |
| 00:27.42 | deonild | could stable be less stable considering i'll be using stuff from other branches? |
| 00:27.48 | orioni_ | one isp is routing and the other no |
| 00:28.01 | orioni_ | for the not-routing isp i have 1:1 nat |
| 00:28.04 | Tramp | orioni_: wow. Even a diagram. People in ##networking will /really/ appreciate that :) |
| 00:28.14 | orioni_ | :) |
| 00:28.19 | orioni_ | with comments too |
| 00:28.25 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 00:28.42 | jelly-home | picutres good. |
| 00:29.14 | orioni_ | anyway,for the isp that is routing to me ... i cant find a way (nobbie) to route them to my clients using less public ip |
| 00:29.35 | orioni_ | is there a way that i can do "routing public ip over private ip) |
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| 00:29.56 | orioni_ | cause of the 10.0.0.0 network i have |
| 00:29.57 | orioni_ | ? |
| 00:29.59 | mythomaniac | can anyone help with get my wireless network card working; i'm using 64 bit stock kernel from squeeze and using the ath5k divers that comes with the kernel |
| 00:30.15 | jelly-home | wonders how is routing a debian specific issue |
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| 00:31.25 | deonild | Hi, I want to install debian and KDE4. Would stable or testing be the better branch to use? Could testing be more stable considering I'll be using environment from experimental? |
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| 00:31.38 | orioni_ | any advice ? |
| 00:31.58 | Xenguy | deonild: stable was just issued Feb 14, so it is very fresh |
| 00:32.09 | deonild | Xenguy: thx |
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| 00:33.33 | adb | !tell deonild about kde4 |
| 00:34.14 | icebrain | adb: deonild has left the building, er, channel |
| 00:34.52 | adb | ok |
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| 00:36.49 | adb | icebrain: "that's about 2 orders of magnitude too impatient" said Tramp |
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| 00:43.31 | higuitas | anyone know how to solve this: i have libgd2-noxpm installed and i need to install libgd2-xpm (and so, replace the other one) |
| 00:43.45 | higuitas | but i need to do it from a script |
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| 01:02.03 | Vasistha | my brother's lenny box won't boot! Using LILO it gets through the "Loading Linux..........." step, then "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(254,0)". Perhaps this is because we updated the kernel and didn't update lilo? |
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| 01:03.26 | stew | Vasistha: is there an initrd? |
| 01:03.37 | higuitas | Vasistha: i would say the kernel is OK, the problems seems in the root FS or the lack of support for the controler |
| 01:03.49 | Vasistha | stew: I can't recall. how do I find out? |
| 01:04.16 | stew | Vasistha: where did the kernel come from? was it a debian kernel? did you build it? |
| 01:04.33 | Vasistha | higuitas: well, it's an IBM Thinkpad T42p, I would expect the controller would be well supported, but who knows? |
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| 01:04.58 | Vasistha | stew: stock debian kernel. I believe I had just updated it before this problem appeared. |
| 01:05.50 | stew | Vasistha: if its a stock kernel, then you have an initrd. whether or not lilo knows about it is another story |
| 01:06.29 | streuner | Vasistha: does lilo know about initrd? |
| 01:06.37 | higuitas | Vasistha: you didnt compile the kernel? try to boot using the older kernel |
| 01:07.40 | Vasistha | stew: ah, I guess that is comforting :) My first inclination was to just boot a rescue cd and install grub, however then I realized that there was no partition on there that I know how to mount... there's an ibm rescue partition, a compaq diagnostics partition (?) and a Linux LVM -- no boot partition :( |
| 01:07.56 | mythomaniac | can anyone help with get my wireless network card working; i'm using 64 bit stock kernel from squeeze and using the ath5k divers that comes with the kernel, also i'm using wicd to scan for wireless connections, but it tells me no wireless connections found, even though i know its there |
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| 01:08.01 | Vasistha | streuner: I don't know ... how would I find out? |
| 01:08.26 | Vasistha | higuitas: hmm, I don't know how lilo works but I will give it a shot. rebooting his box now... |
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| 01:09.29 | nsadmin | mostly lilo installs with a sector list of the things it pages in before starting the kernel (which includes the kernel itself and optionally the corresponding initrd if configured to do so |
| 01:09.33 | nsadmin | ) |
| 01:09.37 | Vasistha | mythomaniac: wicd hasn't been working for me lately, I gave up on it. |
| 01:10.06 | streuner | there are 2 other options |
| 01:10.23 | streuner | network-manager or interfaces |
| 01:10.28 | Vasistha | higuitas: I'm not sure how to boot any older kernel .. hmm, maybe LinuxOLD - I'll try that! |
| 01:10.48 | nsadmin | does network-manager write interfaces lately? |
| 01:10.54 | streuner | no |
| 01:10.55 | higuitas | yep, that it |
| 01:11.13 | nsadmin | is that a good thing? |
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| 01:13.17 | Vasistha | higuitas: looks like it is booting! I am inclined to get a /boot partition on here so I can ditch lilo for grub. Does that sound wise? |
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| 01:13.51 | route_ | lilo > grub IMO |
| 01:14.15 | simonrvn | grub's fine |
| 01:14.30 | streuner | lilo too, if you know how to edit... |
| 01:14.44 | streuner | lilo.conf |
| 01:15.04 | nsadmin | route_ you haven't tried booting something that you hadn't set up previously... grub has a shell that lets you do that |
| 01:16.36 | streuner | simonrvn: shouldnt be had to just edit lilo.conf, i dunno grub at all... |
| 01:16.52 | streuner | simonrvn: s/had/hard/ |
| 01:17.18 | simonrvn | niether of them are hard ;) |
| 01:17.23 | simonrvn | nei* |
| 01:17.35 | streuner | grub runs on all of my boxes, btw... |
| 01:17.56 | mythomaniac | what is the command line to scan for wireless nodes? |
| 01:18.18 | streuner | iwlist scan? |
| 01:18.28 | sshc | iwconfig ? |
| 01:19.48 | mythomaniac | yeah streuner that is it |
| 01:20.05 | mythomaniac | and it states wlan0 no scan results |
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| 01:21.12 | Vasistha | hum, I see that /initrd.img.old -> /boot/initrd.img-2.6.25-2-686 which is probably kind of old (no big surprises there, my bro doesn't update much) ... so happily, LinuxOLD is still working nicely, but how do I make the new kernel boot with LILO? |
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| 01:23.03 | streuner | forget initrd.img.old, edit /etc/lilo.conf and add two lines 1) for kernel /boot/newKernel.img and 2) for initrd (/boot/newintird.img) |
| 01:23.20 | streuner | dont use symlink in / |
| 01:23.41 | streuner | after that check out and veriy with "lilo -v" |
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| 01:23.52 | streuner | verify* |
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| 01:25.08 | Vasistha | streuner: thanks! will do |
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| 01:27.48 | ward- | i removed mysql but it seemed to keep my configs |
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| 01:28.15 | ward- | so i thought i would fix it by uninstalling and deleting whatever remained... |
| 01:28.44 | ward- | in /etc/mysql and /var/mysql |
| 01:28.51 | ward- | so now i get total crap |
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| 01:29.16 | ward- | the mysql installation process seems to need files and configs before it creates them.... |
| 01:29.27 | ward- | this makes me thing apt still thinks i have a ton of files... |
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| 01:29.42 | ward- | so how can i tell apt ALL of mysql is gone? |
| 01:29.43 | javi0 | saludos |
| 01:29.51 | ward- | this is more persistent then spyware |
| 01:29.51 | javi0 | alguno que me pueda ayudar con qmail? |
| 01:29.56 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:29.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:30.16 | abrotman | ward-: did you purge all the mysql packages? |
| 01:30.20 | javi0 | im help with qmail |
| 01:30.22 | ward- | abrotman, yes |
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| 01:31.10 | ward- | abrotman, when isntalling again it states it cannot find /etc/mysql/my.cnf and some other crap |
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| 01:33.06 | abrotman | ward-: then you did it wrong |
| 01:33.24 | ward- | qh ok |
| 01:33.29 | ward- | so i need to reinqtall debian i guess? |
| 01:33.30 | ward- | lol |
| 01:33.34 | ward- | fantastic... |
| 01:33.59 | ward- | abrotman, so there is no way of getting the crappy spyware of my system when i remove something, even with purge? |
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| 01:34.28 | abrotman | ward-: you did it *wrong* |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | as in .. *you* messed up |
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| 01:34.55 | ward- | suuuure |
| 01:35.06 | ward- | i removed the packets with --purge |
| 01:35.07 | ranix | lol ward- how did you manage to install spyware in Debian |
| 01:35.09 | stew | ward-: what spyware are you talking about? |
| 01:35.17 | abrotman | mysql is spyware apparently |
| 01:35.21 | ward- | ranix, read it all or dont read it at all please |
| 01:35.37 | ward- | well never mind |
| 01:35.42 | ward- | time for a reinstall i guess |
| 01:35.44 | ranix | ward-: sorry I didn't scroll up to catch the entirety of your inanity |
| 01:35.44 | stew | ward-: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 01:35.49 | stew | ward-: why would you reinstall? |
| 01:36.10 | ward- | because this is unfixable offcourse |
| 01:36.15 | stew | ward-: what is? |
| 01:36.22 | ward- | messed up apt |
| 01:36.34 | stew | ward-: what makes you think that apt is messed up? |
| 01:36.39 | ranix | this car needs a coolant flush and a new air filter, fuck it, I'm getting a new one |
| 01:36.48 | ward- | it doesnt know what files i got and what files i dont got |
| 01:37.02 | stew | ward-: what makes you think that? |
| 01:37.12 | ward- | ranix, well suggestions are welcome offcourse |
| 01:37.21 | ward- | steve, the problem i explained above |
| 01:37.22 | ssamoon | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.24 | ssamoon | opps |
| 01:37.34 | ssamoon | fail |
| 01:37.34 | stew | ward-: yes, i see it, but you comments now are not making sens |
| 01:37.36 | stew | sense |
| 01:37.37 | ward- | steve, sorry wrong highlight |
| 01:37.55 | ward- | stew, ok then educate me |
| 01:37.55 | stew | ward-: it seems you need to reinstall all of the mysql related packages with confmiss |
| 01:38.03 | stew | ward-: because you removed a conffile that you need restored |
| 01:38.05 | ward- | stew, ok never head of it |
| 01:38.11 | stew | ward-: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 01:38.12 | ward- | i did not get a /msg btw |
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| 01:38.23 | ward- | got it |
| 01:38.39 | stew | ward-: type "/msg dpkg confmiss" into your irc client and the bot named "dpkg" will send you a message back |
| 01:39.00 | stew | ward-: what makes you think you have spyware installed? |
| 01:39.13 | ward- | yeah i know i didnt realise i thought it was an attempt to make the bot /msg me |
| 01:39.21 | ward- | stew, that was a joke |
| 01:39.22 | ward- | lol |
| 01:39.32 | ward- | because i could not get rid of it i called it apyware |
| 01:39.53 | stew | couldn't get rid of what? |
| 01:40.20 | ward- | mysql |
| 01:40.24 | ward- | in its totallity |
| 01:40.37 | ward- | pfff |
| 01:40.49 | stew | ward-: what command did you use to try to get rid of all of mysql? |
| 01:40.51 | ranix | !spyware |
| 01:41.00 | ward- | it was a damn JOKE |
| 01:41.23 | ward- | stew, removed all mysql packages with --purge |
| 01:41.29 | ranix | ooooh right. A joke. My bad. Irony is wasted on the stupid and all |
| 01:41.36 | ward- | stew, afterwards removed manually what remained |
| 01:41.40 | stew | ward-: what command did you use to remove all mysql packages with --purge? |
| 01:41.57 | ward- | apt-get remove |
| 01:42.15 | ranix | is --purge not the default |
| 01:42.15 | stew | ward-: that should have exited with an error, since "apt-get remove" needs at least a package name |
| 01:42.26 | stew | --purge is not the default |
| 01:42.27 | ward- | i allways use apt i dont even remember hoz to reinstall something with dpkg |
| 01:42.39 | ward- | stew, the ' packages i found |
| 01:42.40 | ward- | grrr |
| 01:42.44 | ward- | 4 |
| 01:42.46 | stew | ward-: what command did you run? |
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| 01:43.00 | ward- | never mind |
| 01:43.04 | quentusrex | Is it possible to intercept the input from a usb device? |
| 01:43.08 | ranix | ward-: history | grep mysql |
| 01:43.15 | ward- | never mind |
| 01:43.24 | ward- | thanx for the help |
| 01:43.32 | quentusrex | I've located my device: /dev/input/event6 |
| 01:43.33 | ranix | you're welcome man |
| 01:43.37 | ranix | you can get me any time |
| 01:43.42 | ranix | 8am to 4:30 pm EDT |
| 01:43.45 | stew | ward-: my guess would be that you only purged some of the packages. i'd guess that you didn't purge the mysql-common package, or somehting similar |
| 01:43.47 | ranix | monday through friday |
| 01:43.51 | quentusrex | and I see the device in /prov/bus/input/devices |
| 01:43.53 | ward- | im gonna try for a bit |
| 01:43.56 | streuner | ranix: haha |
| 01:44.03 | ward- | should it not zork ill ask again |
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| 01:44.24 | ward- | stew, i summed them up in one line with --puge bhind |
| 01:44.32 | ward- | --purge behind |
| 01:44.36 | ward- | jesus |
| 01:44.40 | ward- | --puRRRRRRRge |
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| 01:44.47 | ranix | meow |
| 01:44.55 | streuner | dude, we wasted lots of time with you |
| 01:45.09 | ssamoon | module-assistant a-i ndiswrapper: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.29-1-common/arch/x86/Makefile_32.cpu: No such file or directory. :( have headers installed by apt from sid |
| 01:45.15 | stew | ward-: what do you mean by "summed them up"? |
| 01:45.24 | ward- | streuner, i did not even see you reply to me... |
| 01:45.24 | ranix | it's never a waste of time to play |
| 01:45.41 | heroxbd | Hi. Can I watch video with mplayer inside vnc? I execed mplayer with the default config, and it gives"FATAL: Cann't Init Display driver" |
| 01:45.58 | ward- | stew, package1 package2 |
| 01:45.59 | ward- | jesus |
| 01:46.06 | ward- | too many questions lol |
| 01:46.11 | ranix | heroxbd: yex, you can, but 10/100 ethernet is not fast enough for decent frame rates in decent resolution |
| 01:46.12 | stew | sorry to bother you |
| 01:46.20 | ranix | heroxbd: I have not tried gigabit |
| 01:46.31 | ward- | stew, lol i dont mean it like that its just that i knoz i did it right |
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| 01:46.53 | heroxbd | ranix: How can I downsample the frame rates in mplayer in order to play it? |
| 01:46.58 | ward- | stew, qnyway im off trying the suggestion i got, should it not work ill qsk qgqin, if its works ill let you guys know |
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| 01:47.09 | stew | ward-: no, the suggestion i gave you won't work |
| 01:47.13 | stew | ward-: if you did it right the first time |
| 01:47.16 | ranix | heroxbd: it sounds like that's not the problem you're having right now, your problem is different |
| 01:47.16 | ward- | sorry btw i just switched back to qwerty |
| 01:47.34 | ward- | stew, then ill reinstall |
| 01:47.34 | ranix | heroxbd: my suggestion was simply that it's likely not worth the effort |
| 01:47.46 | stew | ward-: i don't see why you would |
| 01:47.49 | ranix | unless you're watching like a traffic speedcam or closed circuit |
| 01:47.57 | stew | ward-: but I was going to try to verify that you did it right |
| 01:47.58 | ranix | in which case it's a waste of bandwidth |
| 01:48.03 | Vasistha | streuner: alright, great! It's working happily with no symlink. (sorry to take so long, phone call.) How can I ensure that this won't come up again? |
| 01:48.35 | ward- | stew, lol because i would be half done reinstalling by now |
| 01:48.37 | stew | ward-: if all you are missing is a my.conf, there are lots of ways to get one back |
| 01:48.39 | heroxbd | ranix: ?_? Because my pc is too slow to play the video. I tried the server. What about RTP or something like that? |
| 01:48.39 | Vadim | i've got two NIC and four monitors working great with Vista; i'd like to switch over to Debian but don't know if it's possible for Debian to handle four monitors; any clue? |
| 01:48.44 | streuner | Vasistha: dont turn the PC off ;-) |
| 01:48.46 | ward- | stew, no i miss way more then a conf |
| 01:48.49 | ranix | heroxbd: your problem is probably that mplayer doesn't know which X display to use |
| 01:48.52 | stew | ward-: what else do you miss? |
| 01:49.11 | ssamoon | {everyone - me}.hasFile(/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`/arch/x86/Makefile_32.cpu)? |
| 01:49.20 | higuitas | anyone know how to solve this: i have libgd2-noxpm installed and i need to install libgd2-xpm (and so, replace the other one) |
| 01:49.20 | ward- | stew, i removed all in /etc/mysql and /var/log/mysql |
| 01:49.25 | ranix | heroxbd: when I say the frame rates are bad, I mean <10 fps with massive vsync issues at 320x240 resolution |
| 01:49.26 | higuitas | but i need to do it from a script |
| 01:49.30 | higuitas | and offline (ie: dpkg -i libgd2-xpm) ... how to solve the conflit from a script? |
| 01:49.32 | Vasistha | streuner: hah! |
| 01:49.36 | streuner | Vasistha: ;-) |
| 01:49.44 | heroxbd | ranix: Ok. I'd surrender. |
| 01:49.44 | abrotman | higuitas: what is the text of the 'conflict' ? |
| 01:49.50 | stew | ward-: what does "dpkg -l mysql-common | tail -1`" return? |
| 01:49.52 | stew | err |
| 01:49.55 | stew | ward-: what does "dpkg -l mysql-common | tail -1" return? |
| 01:49.59 | Vasistha | I'm inclined to believe it should be relatively easy to shrink my LVM partition and create a boot partition so I can use grub ... is this likely to simplify things in the long run? |
| 01:50.09 | ranix | heroxbd: of course gigabit would give you roughly 8 times that |
| 01:50.13 | ranix | and 80fps is pretty sweet |
| 01:50.17 | ward- | stew, looks like the same line? |
| 01:50.23 | ranix | still a waste of bandwidth |
| 01:50.23 | stew | its not |
| 01:50.27 | ward- | stew, qh nvm i saw it |
| 01:50.27 | Vasistha | ward-: one had an erroneous ` |
| 01:50.28 | Vadim | is debian capable to handle 4 monitors? |
| 01:50.43 | heroxbd | ranix: I'd rather watch the video using aa/caca output :P |
| 01:50.54 | quentusrex | Vadim: I'm currently running 6 monitor setup... |
| 01:51.00 | abrotman | Vadim: is Xorg capable? |
| 01:51.01 | quentusrex | two tall by 3 wide... |
| 01:51.09 | ranix | heroxbd: I once got VLC to re-encode and stream a 720p video on the fly from a 2.4ghz p4 to a 1.2ghz Celeron |
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| 01:51.24 | ranix | heroxbd: no way would that work for a 1080 or higher |
| 01:51.31 | Vadim | quentusrex, that's great news! can give me any link so it would work for me? |
| 01:51.39 | ward- | pfff tired of this |
| 01:51.43 | ward- | reinstall it is |
| 01:51.45 | heroxbd | ranix: Cool. I'd give vlc a try :) |
| 01:51.48 | ward- | fixing it takes way longer |
| 01:51.51 | quentusrex | Vadim: nvidia cards, and ubuntu.com |
| 01:51.52 | ranix | heroxbd: cool gl |
| 01:51.57 | ward- | and no way i will succeed anyway |
| 01:52.03 | stew | ward-: it wouldn't if you just followed our directions |
| 01:52.07 | ranix | heroxbd: it has a nifty web based thing I toyed with for awhile |
| 01:52.22 | ranix | heroxbd: gave it up eventually but I used it for a few weeks to watch tv during lunch breaks |
| 01:52.38 | Vadim | quentusrex, I've got nVidia but have no clue how to get it working |
| 01:52.39 | higuitas | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d8e98db3 |
| 01:52.50 | ward- | stew, sorry im just going to reinstall and stop wasting time on it |
| 01:52.55 | quentusrex | Vadim: then check out ubuntu 8.10 |
| 01:52.56 | stew | ward-: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall mysql-common |
| 01:52.56 | Vadim | I've tried a few times to no avail |
| 01:53.02 | quentusrex | it's based on debian... |
| 01:53.04 | Vasistha | quentusrex: pardon me for asking, but how is that useful? Maybe it's obvious to you, but ... I just don't know how I would use more than one |
| 01:53.11 | stew | ward-: that would restore the missing conffiles that you deleted |
| 01:53.12 | ward- | stew, thqnw for the help anyway; if i had more time i would finish it |
| 01:53.23 | Vadim | quenturex, but thanks for the good news |
| 01:53.26 | stew | ward-: when you purged packages, you didn't purge mysql-common, which is why stuff was left in /etc/mysql |
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| 01:53.39 | ward- | stew, thqts strange |
| 01:53.57 | ward- | stew, ill definitely check better next time though lol |
| 01:54.01 | stew | ward-: if you check /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-common.conffiles you'll see that this is the file owning your my.cnf whic his missing |
| 01:54.07 | quentusrex | Vasistha: it is only useful when I use 1-2 webpages for reference, 1-2 consoles with source code for references, so those are in 2-4 monitors. |
| 01:54.20 | abrotman | higuita: dpkg -i foo ; aptitude -f install |
| 01:54.25 | quentusrex | and I have irc and IM in another monitor, and my active programming in another monitor. |
| 01:54.37 | ranix | Vadim: it's worth taking a shot at, I would keep the Vista install and use a second hard disk or something to screw with Debian until I got it working and evaluate |
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| 01:54.59 | higuita | abrotman: that will not requite network? if yes, its perfect |
| 01:55.01 | ranix | Vadim: personally I find >2 monitors to be worthless, unless you have more than one computer to use on them |
| 01:55.03 | quentusrex | Vasistha: plus, I do stock trading, and it is much better to be able to see many graphs at the same time.... |
| 01:55.06 | mischief6 | can someone tell me why when i use -L [bind_address:]port:host:hostport of ssh, and i say 0.0.0.0 or * for bind addr, it binds to loopback? |
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| 01:55.19 | Vasistha | quentusrex: okay, that sounds like it is the real impetus :) |
| 01:55.21 | abrotman | higuita: try it? |
| 01:55.32 | ranix | Vasistha: try three monitors, two computers |
| 01:55.38 | ranix | Vasistha: can't beat it with a stick |
| 01:55.39 | Vadim | ranix, definitely I'll give it a shot |
| 01:55.49 | quentusrex | Vasistha: if I could afford larger monitors, I would use less. I do it for screen real estate... |
| 01:55.58 | Vasistha | ranix: I dunno ... I think working outside on the beach on a laptop beats just about anything ;) |
| 01:56.11 | ssamoon | ls |
| 01:56.18 | Vadim | ranix, i've got 4 and can't work with less than that |
| 01:56.22 | ranix | quentusrex: count the energy draw and do some math to see if you would save over the long term to get newer monitors |
| 01:56.46 | quentusrex | ranix: I'm using LCD monitors... |
| 01:56.55 | Vasistha | quentusrex: if you live in a big city you should check craigslist.org. I picked up a 21" for a friend for $50 |
| 01:56.57 | ward- | stew, solved it was indeed mysql-common |
| 01:57.03 | Vasistha | not lcd, though |
| 01:57.15 | quentusrex | Vasistha: I am using 6 22" LCD's... |
| 01:57.15 | ranix | quentusrex: oh I had the image of a cellar-dwellar code-samurai rocking a cube of CRTs |
| 01:57.16 | quentusrex | :) |
| 01:57.35 | Vasistha | okay, larger than 22" is not something I was considering |
| 01:57.37 | higuita | abrotman: right now, in the test machine i have network, but the command seens to not use it... thanks! :) |
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| 01:57.57 | ssamoon | is ia64 the right deb version for a macbook pro (core 2 duo) |
| 01:58.00 | kanzure | Is there a way for me to tell apt to not update debconf? It thinks it wants to install a new version. I don't want it to. |
| 01:58.05 | ward- | stew, so next time what i do is check the filelist from the package, and see what package has files in those dirs to see what package is causing it |
| 01:58.05 | Vasistha | ssamoon: no |
| 01:58.08 | ranix | ia64 is itanium |
| 01:58.10 | Vasistha | ssamoon: probably amd64 |
| 01:58.10 | stew | ssamoon: no, amd64 or i386 |
| 01:58.21 | ward- | stew, jsut to show i learned fro, it :p |
| 01:58.24 | ssamoon | i386 is being retarded.. i'll try amd, thakns |
| 01:58.34 | higuita | now another issue i have is that i need to install moodle without any question being asked... any "-bypass-questions" option for dpkg? |
| 01:58.40 | stew | ward-: and next time, please asnwer our questions, which would have helped us help you quicker |
| 01:58.52 | ranix | stew: what do you do for a living? |
| 01:59.13 | Vasistha | is it possible to shrink my root LVM partition while it's mounted as root? |
| 01:59.14 | stew | ranix: i'm a freenlance computer programmer and sysadmin |
| 01:59.16 | Vadim | thanks for the info, i'm off |
| 01:59.34 | stew | ranix: mostly i'm the it department for my wife :) |
| 01:59.35 | ward- | stew, i did i was just having the feeling it was not gonna work |
| 01:59.48 | ranix | stew: you have too much patience, you far too routinely help people who don't even want to be helped |
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| 02:00.10 | ward- | stew, i was kindof in a hurry to ix it up :) (btw you know a lot about mysql?) |
| 02:00.18 | ranix | stew: careful you don't let your emotions overtake you and fall to the Dark Side |
| 02:00.24 | stew | ward-: well you woulnd't tell me what command you used to purge (which i would have been looking for mysql-common in since I knew that was the right package), and you didn't answer my question about "what does dpkg -l mysql-comon" |
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| 02:01.14 | quentusrex | So, is anyone in here familiar with event handlers? I have a usb device(a barcode scanner) that plugs into usb and has the keyboard handler bound to it. So when you scan a barcode it 'types' the barcode out into the keyboard output. How do I catch the input into a script? or replace the handler? |
| 02:01.16 | stew | ranix: if i didn't have patience, i would have said FU to this place a few yaers ago :) |
| 02:01.28 | ward- | stew, yes because i was tired of it, wanted to reinstall because that seemed the only solution to be really certain of having a working mysql again |
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| 02:01.56 | quentusrex | cat /proc/bus/input/devices gives me this data: H: Handlers=kbd event6 |
| 02:02.08 | quentusrex | so how do I intercept the kbd event6 events? |
| 02:02.12 | quentusrex | or replace the handler for that? |
| 02:02.18 | ranix | !seen mwilson |
| 02:02.18 | dpkg | ranix: i haven't seen 'mwilson' |
| 02:02.23 | ward- | stew, qnyway thanx for the help |
| 02:02.40 | node__ | hi, I tried to install ConText and it stucked while installing. Now I can't install or remove anything with apt-get nor aptitude, it tells me to try "dpkg --configure -a" which stucks at the same place the ConText installation failed |
| 02:02.40 | stew | !be mwilson barbie |
| 02:02.40 | dpkg | What in the world does that have to do with barbie? Other than nothing, of course. |
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| 02:03.00 | ranix | I think that's irc.debian.org |
| 02:03.16 | abrotman | he's still around .. just not here |
| 02:03.19 | ranix | still not clear on why we forked |
| 02:03.28 | ranix | !irc.debian.org |
| 02:03.28 | dpkg | hmm... oftc move is irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006 [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 02:03.29 | Vasistha | quentusrex: what programming language are you using? |
| 02:03.36 | abrotman | !tell ranix about oftc move |
| 02:03.42 | quentusrex | Vasistha: I'm trying to use perl, but I'll settle with C |
| 02:04.00 | stew | ranix: you can ask a question in #macosx and still feel mwilson if you happen to ask at the right time |
| 02:04.19 | ward- | !tell ward about oftc move |
| 02:04.21 | Vasistha | quentusrex: well, you should probably visit #perl or ##c ;) |
| 02:04.23 | ranix | stew: mwilson helped me with my "no pointers found" problem in Potato in 1998 |
| 02:04.32 | quentusrex | Vasistha: I'm asking in there as well |
| 02:04.32 | ranix | I have fond memories |
| 02:04.33 | abrotman | stew: in #bash also IIRC |
| 02:04.37 | abrotman | !tell ward- about selftell |
| 02:05.13 | ward- | lol i know i was lazy abrotman figured it wouldnt mather for once |
| 02:05.32 | mischief6 | can someone tell me why when i use -L [bind_address:]port:host:hostport of ssh, and i say 0.0.0.0 or * for bind addr, it binds to loopback? |
| 02:05.33 | abrotman | nice lame attempt .. but it was actually more keystrokes |
| 02:05.53 | ward- | abrotman, it was a copy-paste, lamer |
| 02:05.59 | ward- | scroll up |
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| 02:06.31 | higuita | mischief6 yes |
| 02:06.37 | node__ | help, I tried to install ConText and it stucked while installing. Now I can't install or remove anything with apt-get nor aptitude, it tells me to try "dpkg --configure -a" which stucks at the same place the ConText installation failed (the last line is "zlibg-dev", probably the package it's trying to install, and it stays endlessly to this line doing nothing). Debian Lenny 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 02:07.12 | mischief6 | higuita, i ask 'why' it binds to loop back :\ |
| 02:07.15 | mischief6 | it shouldn't |
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| 02:08.14 | node__ | http://pastebin.com/d75aeb393 is what I get when I do: sudo dpkg --configure -a |
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| 02:09.56 | ssamoon | I ctrl-alt-f1'd away from XFCE and when i ctrl-alt-f2 X doesn't come up again, just the log for xfce4... any way to bring that back up? |
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| 02:10.19 | node__ | ctrl-alt-f7? |
| 02:10.44 | ssamoon | node__: ah beautiful thanks |
| 02:11.16 | node__ | ssamoon: glad I helped ;) |
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| 02:14.02 | higuita | mischief6: ohh. sorry... i assume that the bind_address exists, correct? try checking also the ssh_config for some extra option |
| 02:14.24 | mischief6 | higuita, i am binding to 0.0.0.0. i should hope it 'exists'. |
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| 02:14.45 | mischief6 | greetings Younix. |
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| 02:18.31 | ssamoon | q |
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| 02:20.35 | node__ | If anyone is interrested I solved my problem of endless "dpkg --configure -a" by doing rm* inside /var/lib/dpkg/updates which is a temp directory. |
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| 02:21.19 | jedimindtricks | http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/ |
| 02:21.31 | jedimindtricks | oh man. which of those will i be needing ? |
| 02:22.00 | jedimindtricks | hmm nevermind. |
| 02:22.07 | jedimindtricks | dont waste your time clicking |
| 02:22.19 | node__ | too late -_-' ;) |
| 02:22.22 | jedimindtricks | i shall have to try this by way of vm/pxe |
| 02:22.33 | jedimindtricks | oy oy oy |
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| 02:23.20 | JanuxNET | hi, is there a channel to talk about emdebian here? |
| 02:23.49 | ranix | JanuxNET: it doesn't seem off-topic to me |
| 02:24.14 | ranix | JanuxNET: but I do not know of a specific channel |
| 02:24.24 | abrotman | not here |
| 02:24.26 | abrotman | !emdebian |
| 02:24.26 | dpkg | emdebian is, like, a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distribution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:24.28 | jedimindtricks | i cant beleive i didnt think of this before1! hehe. |
| 02:24.33 | JanuxNET | tnx ranix |
| 02:24.53 | JanuxNET | tnx |
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| 02:25.48 | streuner_ | hm |
| 02:25.49 | JanuxNET | so the channel is in oftc irc.. good point. |
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| 02:26.58 | twinkie_addict | hi im on debian 5.0 ,and every thing is all good but onething i cant get apt the to get firefox or opera yet it can get it to work for every thing else |
| 02:27.21 | lostson | thats because firefox is iceweasel |
| 02:27.23 | streuner_ | !firefox |
| 02:27.23 | dpkg | firefox is probably replaced by iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel>, <why iceweasel>. |
| 02:27.27 | abrotman | twinkie_addict: get iceweasel |
| 02:27.38 | gravity | You probably already have it |
| 02:27.47 | twinkie_addict | ah that i didnt think about thanks |
| 02:28.15 | JanuxNET | think that for opera you need to download it from its website |
| 02:28.16 | ranix | it annoyed me the other day when firefox crashed and I tried to killall iceweasel and it didn't work |
| 02:28.25 | ranix | so I tried killall iceweasel-bin and that didn't work either |
| 02:28.31 | twinkie_addict | no i dont already have did a bare bones install and added every thing else |
| 02:28.36 | ranix | JanuxNET: I think there's a binary for opera in non-free? |
| 02:28.52 | ranix | I don't think I manually installed it |
| 02:28.59 | JanuxNET | hmm.. maybe :) |
| 02:29.09 | ranix | opera might have their own apt repository instead |
| 02:29.23 | abrotman | !tell twinkie_addict about opera apt |
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| 02:29.48 | twinkie_addict | say cant find pkg iceweazel |
| 02:29.59 | abrotman | S |
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| 02:30.54 | twinkie_addict | lol my bad that worked |
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| 02:32.40 | martianlobster | I am trying to set up an ssh tunnel from my laptop to my debian server. This is the first time I have set up an ssh tunnel. I am trying this command: ssh -R 127.0.0.1:3305:acumen.dyndns.biz:3306 orats@acumen.dyndns.biz . I am trying to map port 3305 on local host to 3306 on my server. So far it isn't working. Can anyone see what I am doing wrong? |
| 02:32.56 | twinkie_addict | is synaptic avalible in apt ? |
| 02:33.10 | ranix | twinkie_addict: apt-cache search synaptic |
| 02:33.48 | ranix | apt-cache is the 2nd best thing about debian |
| 02:33.55 | twinkie_addict | so thats how you search lol im not used to apt as you may guess im i an old slackware guy |
| 02:33.55 | ranix | next to apt-get of course |
| 02:34.03 | ranix | twinkie_addict: apt-get moo |
| 02:34.21 | ranix | !moo |
| 02:34.21 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 02:34.43 | tonsofpcs | anyone know of a software vision mixer / production switcher? |
| 02:35.00 | Linuturk | martianlobster: -L does that |
| 02:35.10 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: vision mixer? |
| 02:35.16 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: production switcher |
| 02:35.22 | tonsofpcs | brit term |
| 02:35.25 | abrotman | for video ? |
| 02:35.27 | tonsofpcs | yea |
| 02:36.19 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: http://dvswitch.alioth.debian.org/wiki/ .. like that ? |
| 02:36.21 | martianlobster | Linuturk, thanks |
| 02:36.52 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: maybe... but would like support for v4l/wdm devices [dependent on os] and for data streams [either file or network] |
| 02:37.00 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: i have a tv |
| 02:37.03 | abrotman | :) |
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| 02:37.42 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: I have three production switchers. software would be nice, want to make a webcast that uses computer video as well, easier to do that in software than by wasting hardware ports |
| 02:37.45 | twinkie_addict | this is the first linux ive run that dosent drop my wireless conection and gods ive tryed aloot not tomention it apears my video card seems suported :) got hate my intel card |
| 02:37.57 | abrotman | hugs his intel card |
| 02:38.19 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: cinerella maybe? .. videos are things i don't muck with |
| 02:38.25 | lostson | i prefer my nvidia cards personally |
| 02:38.36 | abrotman | and you eat ludefisk!@ |
| 02:38.45 | twinkie_addict | it might not be so bad since it seems its well suported it apears i finaly get all my resolutions |
| 02:39.06 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: nope |
| 02:39.17 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: you've sapped me |
| 02:39.20 | twinkie_addict | i love nvidia |
| 02:39.30 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: it's not too hard to sap a sap ;) |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | watch it limey! |
| 02:39.43 | twinkie_addict | but my lappy has a intel 945GM in it |
| 02:39.56 | tonsofpcs | :) |
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| 02:44.10 | twinkie_addict | how do i add the comunity repo ? |
| 02:44.30 | twinkie_addict | ah heck there is the wick never mind |
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| 02:45.04 | abrotman | the what ? |
| 02:45.46 | ranix | wiki |
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| 02:46.01 | ranix | twinkie_addict: please don't call it a lappy |
| 02:46.13 | ranix | twinkie_addict: for me? Please? |
| 02:46.16 | abrotman | or else ranix will get lippy |
| 02:46.23 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: the wick! |
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| 02:46.30 | tonsofpcs | it's what you light to burn down the candle |
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| 02:48.58 | simonrvn | lippy sappy lappy |
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| 02:49.57 | twinkie_addict | lol ment wiki |
| 02:50.07 | matty_b | is there any way to list packages that have been installed/removed since my original OS install? |
| 02:50.20 | matty_b | something like 'dpkg -l', but only for changed packages |
| 02:50.40 | simonrvn | s/ment/mint/ |
| 02:50.47 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 02:50.47 | poallock | While installing base-system, i get msg "Unable to install busybox". What is busybox? What is the likely reason for failing to install it? |
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| 02:51.49 | abrotman | !busybox |
| 02:51.49 | dpkg | BusyBox combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilities into a single small executable. It provides minimalist replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU coreutils, util-linux, etc. |
| 02:53.04 | poallock | abrotman: thks. why did it fail to install then? |
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| 02:53.27 | abrotman | poallock: i'd need more info |
| 02:53.41 | poallock | abrotman: like? |
| 02:54.06 | abrotman | errorss? |
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| 02:55.26 | nsadmin | my pressssious errrorssss |
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| 02:56.02 | GinoLInux | stupid nswrapperplugin source code |
| 02:56.04 | GinoLInux | compile |
| 02:56.06 | GinoLInux | !!!! |
| 02:56.06 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 02:56.18 | GinoLInux | ..... |
| 02:56.26 | simonrvn | !pal GinoLInux |
| 02:56.26 | dpkg | points at GinoLInux and laughs hysterically |
| 02:56.38 | stew | GinoLInux: what are you using nswrapperplugin for? |
| 02:57.08 | GinoLInux | I have a AMD64 install and I'm trying to use the flash plugin |
| 02:57.14 | GinoLInux | so I can actually use youtube |
| 02:57.30 | stew | GinoLInux: install flashplugin-nonfree from the contrib section of backports.org (/mgs dpkg bpo) |
| 02:57.31 | miksuh | there is 64bit flash now, it's just prerelease though |
| 02:57.39 | stew | GinoLInux: (which doesn't need nspluginrwrapper) |
| 02:57.48 | GinoLInux | it doesn't work too well for me |
| 02:57.54 | nsadmin | poallock: like... what version of debian... what version of the thing you're asking about... what are you expecting... what actually happens, including the exact text of any error message you're getting... a complete history of the problem, with as much detail as you can get; better to maintain this in a text file you can either pastebin or otherwise transfer to potential helpers |
| 02:58.00 | GinoLInux | or wait |
| 02:58.02 | GinoLInux | no |
| 02:58.08 | GinoLInux | I'm on testing |
| 02:58.19 | stew | GinoLInux: then install flashplugin-nonfree from unstable |
| 02:58.31 | GinoLInux | hold on |
| 02:58.38 | GinoLInux | let me check backports |
| 02:58.47 | stew | GinoLInux: no, there are no backports for squeeze |
| 02:59.11 | nsadmin | no matter how hard you squeeze! |
| 03:00.27 | GinoLInux | I will make it work |
| 03:00.37 | ranix | !squeeze |
| 03:00.38 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
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| 03:00.50 | ranix | nsadmin: how hard is Squeeze? |
| 03:00.52 | ranix | ?? |
| 03:01.12 | nsadmin | ask her! |
| 03:01.50 | poallock | abrotman, nsadmin : sorry, i was surfing the web for answer. It seems it is a bug which should have been fixed. I was using netinst to install the base system. The netinst was downloaded only a few days ago, should be current enough. |
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| 03:03.51 | nsadmin | poallock: oh, ok :) it's good that you're trying to locate info... if you're maintaining the text file I suggested earlier, you might include each search hit you look closer at, together with your comments as to how it would be helpful to the next guy |
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| 03:09.21 | twinkie_addict | wow flash crashes iceweasle as soon as it hits a site with flash |
| 03:09.49 | lostson | odd it doesnt here |
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| 03:10.58 | ranix | twinkie_addict: flash sucks |
| 03:11.23 | GinoLInux | I hate flash |
| 03:11.26 | ssamoon | hello all.. i have a deb install CD but my machine keeps going straight to grub. various reasons i can't change the bios. how do i issue command to grub to tell it to run the installer CD? |
| 03:11.27 | GinoLInux | but everyone uses it |
| 03:11.28 | Caelum | for some reason my pulseaudio dies soon after gnome starts |
| 03:11.36 | poallock | honestly, the quality of debianers here are getting worse. most questions asked are not answered. instead you have egoistic kid like 'stew' going around ever ready to use his little authority to kickban chatters. |
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| 03:12.06 | ssamoon | so just be a part of the solution, no? |
| 03:12.10 | Caelum | poallock: stew has been here for like 10 years or more |
| 03:12.16 | Caelum | iirc |
| 03:12.20 | ranix | poallock: stew can be a little overbearing at times but once you get to know him he's a good guy |
| 03:12.30 | twinkie_addict | i doing manual install of flash i put libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins and it crashes evertime i hite the sites with flash |
| 03:12.34 | ranix | poallock: I'm sorry if my trolling has bothered you today, I have been depressed |
| 03:12.47 | twinkie_addict | i agaree flash sucks but i like hulu and youtube lol |
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| 03:12.56 | Caelum | twinkie_addict: why don't you just installl flashplugin-nonfree ? |
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| 03:14.01 | jedimindtricks | why would debian netinstall requrie a cd-rom drive to continue with the installation of the lunix system? |
| 03:14.30 | ssamoon | ... its the base system on a CD? |
| 03:14.37 | jedimindtricks | but i run it on a usb stick |
| 03:14.52 | ssamoon | i have a stick formatted with it on it too... |
| 03:14.59 | ssamoon | but it doesn't boot that either, just straight to grub |
| 03:15.08 | ssamoon | so i could try the stick |
| 03:15.14 | ssamoon | just figured the cd would be more reliable... |
| 03:15.35 | Caelum | ssamoon: there's a way to add a grub entry to boot from cd I think |
| 03:15.41 | jedimindtricks | i dont have a cd at all |
| 03:15.43 | twinkie_addict | becouse apt says flashplugin-nonfree requires libcurl13 but its not going to be installed tryed getting libcurl13 by its self says pkg not found |
| 03:15.51 | jedimindtricks | this stick is my only chance of installing a linux system |
| 03:16.06 | Caelum | jedimindtricks: when does it tell you this? |
| 03:16.08 | nsadmin | twinkie_addict: and you're running lenny? |
| 03:16.11 | ssamoon | Caelum: i've been trying to find that but everything I find tells me how to boot GRUB from a cd... not boot a CD from grub :( |
| 03:16.12 | twinkie_addict | yes |
| 03:16.36 | jedimindtricks | caelum i used unetbootin to fry the kernel and intird to the stick drive |
| 03:16.37 | nsadmin | so do you have non-free and contrib in your sources.list? |
| 03:16.43 | jedimindtricks | nothign else |
| 03:16.55 | twinkie_addict | not yet |
| 03:16.57 | Caelum | ssamoon: have you tried a googlle search for "bboot cd from grub" ? |
| 03:17.06 | twinkie_addict | i need to add them |
| 03:17.07 | nsadmin | that's why you can't find it |
| 03:17.13 | Just4Now | >need suggestions for other commands to shutdown or reboot a system. Hopefully lower level commands to tell the PDM to restart hard. The standard commands make the new mac mini hang on a black screen after it says "reloading now" |
| 03:17.19 | ssamoon | Caelum: yeah, on that now... all stuff just suggesting BIOS changes |
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| 03:17.41 | nsadmin | Just4Now: man shutdown |
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| 03:17.54 | Caelum | jedimindtricks: when does it tell you to use a cd? |
| 03:17.57 | ssamoon | Just4Now: I have the same issues... |
| 03:18.04 | ssamoon | Just4Now: on a macbook pro |
| 03:18.17 | jedimindtricks | caelum i forgot |
| 03:18.22 | Just4Now | gotta be able to re-engineer the mac reboot process... |
| 03:18.36 | ranix | Just4Now: I have used "halt" or "reboot" for 11 years now and see no reason to change |
| 03:18.36 | nsadmin | Just4Now: if you want to do something special upon shutdown, you can do that as part of the /etc/init.d mechanism |
| 03:18.38 | ssamoon | Just4Now: I just do shutdown instead and then press the power btn again |
| 03:18.56 | twinkie_addict | how do i unistall something useing dpkg -i ? |
| 03:18.59 | Just4Now | ssamoon, gotta do it remotely. |
| 03:19.11 | ranix | Just4Now: /etc/rc0.d are shutdown scripts also |
| 03:19.15 | Caelum | twinkie_addict: aptitude remove <package> |
| 03:19.15 | ranix | iirc |
| 03:19.20 | ssamoon | Just4Now: Ah, too bad,, |
| 03:19.47 | nsadmin | ranix: yes, which can be (and are usually under debian) maintained using update-rc.d |
| 03:19.55 | Just4Now | nsadmin, good call. i'll try /etc/rc0.d actually. i just need to figure out what to do to get the mac hardware to reboot. i duno if it's an ACPI difference, or the open firmware has a special signal it wants |
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| 03:21.04 | jedimindtricks | caelum it did tell me it couldnt find my hardware |
| 03:21.31 | elik | Say I have a network with a couple of computers, and I want ppl to access machines using the machine names, and machines can be changing IP address.. how can I do that? |
| 03:21.35 | Caelum | jedimindtricks: did you use the dev netinst or the lenny one? |
| 03:21.59 | jedimindtricks | i think dev |
| 03:22.02 | Caelum | elik: you have to link the dhcp server to bind |
| 03:23.05 | nsadmin | elik: if machines can be changing IPs, that's not going to be easy |
| 03:23.36 | Caelum | elik: there are some guides on the web on how to do that |
| 03:23.38 | elik | Caelum, any way to do that if I use a home router as my DHCP server? or I would have to put my DHCP server on a machine? |
| 03:23.53 | ranix | elik: you need dns for that |
| 03:24.12 | elik | nsadmin, if they don't change, I guess it's just a matter of configure /etc/hosts? |
| 03:24.14 | ranix | elik: some routers provide DNS that resolves hostnames the router's DHCP server became aware of |
| 03:24.17 | nsadmin | elik: would be better if you used a linux machine as the router |
| 03:24.18 | Caelum | elik: you'll have to make your own router |
| 03:24.33 | ranix | elik: and it is possible to create this behaviour, albeit somewhat difficult |
| 03:24.37 | jedimindtricks | i dont know what it means caelum but when i boot from the stick there is a unetbootin bootlader or something |
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| 03:25.08 | nsadmin | elik: I'd make a name server that is "authoritative" over an internal domain of names that are assigned to specific machines |
| 03:25.25 | jedimindtricks | caelum there is a DEtecting 'Hardware3 procrss |
| 03:25.36 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: it's just a normal dns server, and have your internal machines use it to resolve all hostnames. |
| 03:25.45 | jedimindtricks | "No common cdrom was deteced" and sch |
| 03:25.50 | dondelelcaro | (you can easily do it using bind or similar) |
| 03:25.54 | nsadmin | dondelelcaro: yes, precisely |
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| 03:26.58 | Caelum | jedimindtricks: did you follow the install manual? |
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| 03:27.57 | jedimindtricks | caelum god no. let me try that huh |
| 03:28.06 | nsadmin | in fact, that name server and the dhcp could be running on a machine other than the little router and you can keep that thing as the router |
| 03:28.21 | nsadmin | just turn its dhcp off |
| 03:28.22 | elik | nsadmin, Caelum, ranix, yeah, that's what I'll do with my machine that has 2 ethernet card and a wifi card when I can set it up properly, but atm, I'm a client on the router's wifi and I can't access the device... So I guess, considering I set up static IPs for a few machines, I'll just use /etc/hosts |
| 03:29.04 | Caelum | elik: what router? can it run openwrt or dd-wrt or some such? |
| 03:29.42 | elik | Caelum, DI-624.... in my dreams, it would run it :( |
| 03:29.50 | Caelum | elik: you might be able to do static leases with the router's dhcp server |
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| 03:29.59 | elik | Caelum, I have that set up atm |
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| 03:30.46 | Caelum | then just set up a bind with a zone for your home lan somewhere, and point your machines to it |
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| 03:31.21 | Wyzard | elik: Install avahi and libnss-mdns on your Linux machines (if they aren't installed already), and install Apple Bonjour on any Windows machines, and you can resolve machines in DNS as "(hostname).local" |
| 03:31.28 | nsadmin | and tell the dhcp server to give that IP as the name server |
| 03:32.00 | Wyzard | elik: no special DNS setup needed; it's basically peer-to-peer DNS |
| 03:32.12 | elik | Wyzard, NetBIOS like |
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| 03:32.35 | Wyzard | elik: \\hostname.local |
| 03:32.59 | Caelum | on windows \\hostname\ should work even without dns or any special setup |
| 03:33.12 | nsadmin | or hostname.mylocalLANname.local |
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| 03:33.32 | Wyzard | nsadmin: Where is "mylocalLANname" defined? |
| 03:34.02 | ranix | elik: check /etc/resolv.conf on your machines |
| 03:34.04 | nsadmin | the name server would be auth over mylocalLANname.local |
| 03:34.23 | Wyzard | I'm talking about MDNS, which involves no server |
| 03:34.25 | ranix | elik: see if your primary nameserver can be the router itself |
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| 03:34.42 | ranix | elik: if your router provides dns, it probably maps hostnames of dhcp clients for you |
| 03:34.47 | ranix | i.e., nameserver 192.168.2.1 |
| 03:34.53 | ranix | which is alwo my gateway |
| 03:35.09 | elik | ranix, well, I do have 192.168.0.1 ans nameserver |
| 03:35.14 | nsadmin | or it forwards requests |
| 03:35.15 | Wyzard | ranix: Unfortunately, Debian's default dhclient configuration does not *send* the hostname as part of a DHCP request, so the server can't map it |
| 03:35.19 | ranix | this successfully DOES provide DNS map for my random-ass windows hostname |
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| 03:35.54 | Rusty1 | http://thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/doc.html elix perhaps? |
| 03:36.07 | ranix | Wyzard: I'll be damned |
| 03:36.09 | ranix | you are right |
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| 03:36.28 | Caelum | Wyzard: is that a good thing or a bad thing? |
| 03:36.28 | ranix | Wyzard: how the hell does my Windows computer know where the heck \\hostname is |
| 03:36.37 | Caelum | ranix: you're running samba |
| 03:36.51 | Wyzard | ranix: Windows has its own name-resolution protocol that it uses aside from DNS |
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| 03:36.59 | ranix | aah, that makes sense |
| 03:37.24 | Wyzard | ranix: involving broadcast UDP packets and all the machines on the LAN periodically holding an "election" to decide which one is the "browse master" who gets to hold the list of everyone else's name in case anyone asks for it |
| 03:37.41 | Wyzard | ranix: and then if the browse master happens to be shut down, name resolution doesn't work for awhile until another election happens and a new browse master is chosen |
| 03:37.44 | Wyzard | It's a stupid protocol |
| 03:37.50 | ranix | Wyzard: that probably explains some bizarre network behaviour at work |
| 03:37.54 | elik | Wyzard, it generates a lot of crap on a network |
| 03:38.03 | Wyzard | yep |
| 03:38.07 | elik | Wyzard, netbios that is |
| 03:38.15 | Caelum | ranix: at work you're probably using a domain server |
| 03:38.38 | Wyzard | Anyway, MDNS basically "just works" with no configuration |
| 03:38.43 | superjet_busy | seamonkey2 will show download dialog when visting foo.com/~user/wordpress, however epiphany works without problem, what's the reason? |
| 03:38.53 | ranix | Caelum: dunno, I set up a specific dhcp client some time ago |
| 03:39.05 | ranix | dhcp server rather |
| 03:39.14 | Wyzard | The .local zone magically contains every host on the LAN that has MDNS support, with no need for any sort of server |
| 03:39.28 | Caelum | superjet_busy: the Content-Type is not text/html, check with wget -S |
| 03:40.36 | ranix | Wyzard: cannot elik uncomment the first line of /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (send host-name "foo") to resolve the dhcp/dns problem? |
| 03:40.40 | superjet_busy | Caelum: it's should be php |
| 03:40.53 | ranix | I think he can |
| 03:41.05 | Caelum | superjet_busy: everything sends a content type, it doesn't matter what it's running |
| 03:41.07 | Wyzard | ranix: yes, though I've never liked the idea of having to hard-code the hostname in dhclient.conf |
| 03:41.26 | superjet_busy | Caelum: ok, just check it, thanks! |
| 03:41.28 | ranix | Wyzard: it does seem a bit backwards |
| 03:41.41 | Wyzard | ranix: Other distros use a patch for dhclient that lets it use the system's current hostname rather than requiring a literal string in the file... I'm not sure why Debian hasn't adopted that |
| 03:42.20 | Caelum | Wyzard: does it have to be fully qualified? |
| 03:42.29 | elik | Wyzard, Caelum, nsadmin, ranix, Rusty1, thank you very much for your advices, I think I have something to chew on for a while |
| 03:42.42 | Wyzard | Caelum: what, MDNS .local names? |
| 03:42.50 | Wyzard | Caelum: (hostname).local *is* fully-qualified |
| 03:42.53 | Caelum | Wyzard: the hostname in dhclient.conf |
| 03:42.56 | Wyzard | oh |
| 03:43.11 | Wyzard | No, I'm pretty sure it doesn't |
| 03:43.17 | Caelum | cool, thank you |
| 03:43.26 | nsadmin | well no, it's not fully qualified |
| 03:43.27 | Wyzard | but it's really up to the DHCP server |
| 03:43.54 | Wyzard | Some servers will just take whatever name you send and put it into the local DNS zone |
| 03:44.02 | nsadmin | (hostname).local is not fully qualified, but (hostname).local. IS fully qualified |
| 03:44.05 | Wyzard | Some servers will refuse to give you a lease at all unless you send the correct name |
| 03:44.47 | Wyzard | nsadmin: strictly true, but I've never seen anything other than BIND zone files that actually cares about that trailing dot |
| 03:45.47 | nsadmin | if you dont' have that . at the end you're subject to crap like some other name server defining (hostname).local.microsoft.com.sucks.donkey.dicks.are.stretched.to.the.limit.org |
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| 03:46.32 | elik | nsadmin, ah, DNS lookup pollution |
| 03:46.41 | nsadmin | right |
| 03:46.43 | kevin7kal | I have a set of flac audio files that I would like to burn to an audio cd. I only want to create the iso right now. is there a gui app that will help me out in doing this? |
| 03:46.48 | kevin7kal | preferably gnome |
| 03:47.03 | superjet_busy | Caelum: wget and w3m also works, so it must be some bugs in seamonkey2 |
| 03:47.08 | nsadmin | it's not too often you'd get bitten by that but it's not unpossible |
| 03:47.20 | kevin7kal | Brasero seems to want an actual cd burner |
| 03:47.21 | elik | kevin7kal, I don't know for gnome, but I know k3b is pretty good.. not sure for the flacs though |
| 03:47.24 | lokus | kevin7kal: k3b i think will work |
| 03:47.33 | lokus | kevin7kal: works fine in gnome |
| 03:47.34 | Wyzard | nsadmin: A sane resolver configuration gives MDNS priority over static DNS for the .local zone |
| 03:47.54 | kevin7kal | ahh: lokus and elik Yes - k3b, forgot about that one |
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| 03:48.06 | kevin7kal | thanks! |
| 03:48.07 | nsadmin | mmmmmmmmmmmmmm PINEAPPLE! |
| 03:48.08 | Wyzard | kevin7kal: An .iso file is an image of a data track -- it's not applicable to an audio CD |
| 03:48.11 | elik | lokus, any KDE app that doesn't work fine in gnome, once you have all th libraries? |
| 03:48.32 | lokus | elik: that didn't make much sense |
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| 03:49.14 | elik | lokus, reading it again and again, I can't seem to find what is wrong with it |
| 03:49.23 | nsadmin | well more correctly a .iso file can be burned to a data track (but wouldn't make sense as an audio track) |
| 03:49.35 | elik | lokus, anyway, KDE app all work fine in gnome, but it just needs to load kde libs |
| 03:49.43 | ranix | elik: gnome and kde are pretty much ignored by me. Try it and if it works and you like it give it a shot |
| 03:50.00 | nsadmin | a .iso file can also exist without ever having been written to any CD |
| 03:50.03 | lokus | elik: oh. yeah i tlel him it works |
| 03:50.03 | ranix | s/elik/lokus? |
| 03:50.15 | ranix | I don't even know anymore |
| 03:50.19 | kevin7kal | hmmm - maybe then I need a flac to wav converter |
| 03:50.30 | lokus | ranix: lol, kevin you mean |
| 03:51.23 | kevin7kal | I know that an iso can exist without having been written to any cd. |
| 03:51.34 | ranix | !iso |
| 03:51.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iso is a cd-image. CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, debian-cd.com, http://www.linuxiso.org, something I do with needle and thread, ask me about <netinst>, a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, jigdo, ask me about <jigdo>, did I mention <jigdo>?, see <create cd image>, a partially-correct way of referring ISO 9660, or ask me about <check iso image> |
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| 03:52.02 | kevin7kal | ranix: please |
| 03:52.27 | ranix | a .iso is probably a raw dump of an iso 9660 "filesystem" |
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| 03:54.11 | ranix | If I remember correctly, audio CDs are several tracks on a loop just the same as files exist on a CD, and the audio "tracks" are represented as .cda files |
| 03:55.35 | kevin7kal | here is the specific problem - flac audio files that I would like to burn to an audio cd. usually this is easy, but I have not a cd burner accessable to the linux system where my flac files live. the cd burner is on my mac system. so, I thought that I might be able to create an iso file on the linux system, move it to by mac and when I burned that iso, it would result in a playable cd. |
| 03:55.45 | kevin7kal | given the write program |
| 03:56.00 | stew | ranix: there is no filesystem on a audio cd, there is an index, and a stream of audio samples |
| 03:56.29 | Wyzard | ranix: .cda files are imaginary files in a virtual filesystem made up by Windows |
| 03:56.58 | ranix | stew, Wyzard: I have been lied to! |
| 03:57.08 | ranix | I have been betrayed! |
| 03:57.16 | ranix | by Windows, no less. I didn't see that coming |
| 03:57.19 | ranix | shifty eyes |
| 03:57.28 | nsadmin | for the love of betray-jay! |
| 03:57.30 | Wyzard | ranix: An audio CD is a continuous stream of raw PCM samples, with subchannel data that provides the track number and timecode (mm:ss) of each sector so that the player knows where it is while it plays |
| 03:58.18 | Wyzard | ranix: and the TOC at the beginning is just a lookup table that maps track numbers to timecode values so that the CD player knows approximately where to seek to when you select a track |
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| 03:58.50 | kevin7kal | so, is it possible for an audio CD to be represented as in iso 9660 file? |
| 03:58.53 | ranix | it seems to me as it would be possible to do a dd if=/dev/cdrom of=filename.raw and then the opposite where of=/dev/cdrw |
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| 03:59.24 | GinoLInux | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=filename.iso |
| 03:59.32 | Wyzard | kevin7kal: No, ISO9660 is a filesystem -- a specific data structure format |
| 03:59.35 | ranix | well it wouldn't really be an iso at that point |
| 03:59.42 | ranix | it would be raw data |
| 03:59.55 | Wyzard | kevin7kal: You can read the contents of an audio track to a file, and you can give the file a name that ends in ".iso", but it wouldn't actually be an ISO9660 filesystem image |
| 04:00.05 | Wyzard | It'd be like renaming a .wav file to .jpg -- doesn't make it a picture |
| 04:00.06 | GinoLInux | dd if=filename.iso of=/dev/cdrw |
| 04:00.17 | ranix | GinoLInux: .iso is misleading |
| 04:00.23 | ranix | .img if you must |
| 04:00.33 | GinoLInux | from what I've read, it's a valid iso image |
| 04:00.38 | GinoLInux | to do that |
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| 04:00.56 | ranix | if you have an iso to start with |
| 04:00.59 | GinoLInux | then again the source is www.commandlinefu.com |
| 04:01.14 | Wyzard | GinoLInux: For a data CD (that is, containing one track, which is a data track), what you'd get from "dd if=/dev/cdrom" is indeed an ISO9660 file |
| 04:01.18 | ranix | we just got told by Wyzard that an audio cd does NOT have an iso filesystem |
| 04:01.24 | ranix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_(audio_CD_standard) |
| 04:01.29 | ranix | seems to be Redbook Audio |
| 04:01.52 | Wyzard | Audio tracks actually use a different sector format than data tracks |
| 04:02.04 | ranix | more like a vinyl record than an iso |
| 04:02.15 | GinoLInux | .... ohhhhh so it wouldn't work on an audio cd |
| 04:02.20 | GinoLInux | but it works on a data cd or dvd |
| 04:02.26 | ranix | yeah I am also surprised |
| 04:02.40 | Wyzard | An audio sector is 2352 bytes of audio data, which is 1/72 of a second worth of audio samples (at 44.1kHz 16-bit stereo) |
| 04:02.52 | twinkie_addict | i like burncd for isos |
| 04:03.00 | Wyzard | A data sector is 2048 bytes of user data and 304 bytes of additional error-correction codes that aren't present in audio sectors |
| 04:03.24 | Wyzard | GinoLInux: exactly |
| 04:03.44 | Wyzard | and yeah, it really is more like a vinyl record than an iso |
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| 04:03.52 | GinoLInux | I wish I'd have known that when my rentals were due and I hadn't watched them yet |
| 04:04.04 | GinoLInux | stupid hollywood video |
| 04:04.11 | Wyzard | CD audio was created back when consumer digital electronics were pretty primitive, and it's very simplistic |
| 04:04.17 | kevin7kal | so - my shortest path would be to convert my flacs to wavs, move them to my other system and use the audio cd creation tool on that system? |
| 04:04.39 | Wyzard | kevin7kal: probably |
| 04:04.39 | ranix | so kevin7kal the consensus seems to be dd the raw beans off that CD and move the file to your mac and dd them right back |
| 04:04.50 | Wyzard | Well, you can't dd from an audio CD |
| 04:04.55 | ranix | why not |
| 04:05.00 | Wyzard | At least, I don't think so |
| 04:05.05 | ranix | bits are bits amirite? |
| 04:05.27 | Wyzard | On the disc, sure, but there are different commands that have to be issued to the drive to read audio vs. data |
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| 04:05.56 | ranix | are CDs themselves nonstandard? |
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| 04:06.17 | ranix | if CD A and CD B are identical, a DD from 1 to another will be an identical 1:1 copy |
| 04:06.23 | ranix | s/DD/dd |
| 04:06.23 | kevin7kal | I don't have the original cd. I backed it up using flac format in case it was damaged, which it was. |
| 04:06.26 | Wyzard | To read a data track you can specify a sector number; audio tracks have no sector numbers, and you have to specify timecode instead |
| 04:06.43 | Wyzard | and timecode doesn't even uniquely identify a single sector IIRC |
| 04:06.49 | balaa | hello, i updated something about libc6 and now i get segfault everything |
| 04:06.52 | balaa | help |
| 04:07.28 | balaa | ive booted via rescue mode but chrooting segfaults aswell |
| 04:07.31 | ranix | Wyzard: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/dev/cdrom2 will copy a CD, I am certain of this |
| 04:07.36 | ranix | regardless of contents |
| 04:08.09 | ranix | although copy protection bs with dead sectors might not travel |
| 04:08.11 | Wyzard | ranix: Have you actually tried that on an audio CD? |
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| 04:08.27 | ranix | Wyzard: I will do it at work tomorrow and tell you how it goes |
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| 04:08.39 | ranix | Wyzard: if it does not, I will endeavour to find out why |
| 04:08.54 | Wyzard | I just did, and got "input/output error" with no data read |
| 04:09.21 | twinkie_addict | im comminit lenny is a very nice :)g to love apt and i must adm |
| 04:09.33 | Wyzard | The block-device interface presented by /dev/cdrom uses the commands for reading data, and the drive doesn't accept those commands for audio tracks |
| 04:09.54 | Wyzard | You have to use a tool such as cdda2wav or cdparanoia to send audio-reading commands |
| 04:10.08 | twinkie_addict | damn that was saposed to read im comming to love apt and lenny is verry nice |
| 04:10.12 | ranix | I don't have physical access to a machine with a cd drive right now |
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| 04:10.18 | Elite | How do I figure out if there is an imap server running on my server? |
| 04:10.36 | twinkie_addict | i forget sometimes that i have to put a little pressure on the keys lol |
| 04:10.37 | balaa | how do i replace how do i re |
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| 04:10.57 | Wyzard | Elite: scan it with nmap to see if the port is open, and/or look up what the IMAP port is and telnet to it and see if you get a response |
| 04:11.15 | balaa | how do i repare libc6 from the rescue ode |
| 04:11.15 | Elite | Wyzard, huh? |
| 04:11.40 | Elite | imap runs on port 143 does it not? |
| 04:12.05 | Wyzard | sounds right but I'm not sure offhand |
| 04:12.12 | kevin7kal | Elite: how about "netstat -ln | grep 143" ? |
| 04:12.33 | ranix | ooh Wyzard I'm beginning to understand |
| 04:12.46 | ranix | the data is contained in sectors specifically, and the CD has no concept of blocks |
| 04:12.50 | ranix | so obviously dd will fail |
| 04:13.00 | Wyzard | yes |
| 04:13.39 | Wyzard | A "data CD" has a single track consisting of 2048-byte sectors, which conveniently looks like a block device, so the kernel's CD-ROM driver can provide a block-device interface |
| 04:13.53 | Elite | kevin7kal, what should it say? |
| 04:14.13 | Wyzard | but an "audio CD" can have up to 99 tracks of 2352-byte sectors that aren't even uniquely addressable, so the /dev/cdrom abstraction doesn't fit |
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| 04:14.40 | ranix | I'm being told by Google that "cdrdao" can read raw bits and bats from optical drives, ignoring data tracks, preserving whitespace, etc. |
| 04:15.03 | kevin7kal | some times experimentation is more efficient than discussion |
| 04:15.19 | ranix | and for any CD would make a full image of the CD (which may be an iso9660 but will probably be wasteful with unusable junk at the end) |
| 04:16.00 | Wyzard | For a data CD it'd be an iso9660 file if you use the normal reading mode... for a mixed CD (data track plus audio tracks) it'd be the iso9660 file followed by raw PCM audio data, concatenated together |
| 04:16.18 | ranix | got it now |
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| 04:16.52 | Wyzard | You can also tell it to bypass the drive's error correction and read raw sectors, including ECC and subchannel data |
| 04:17.37 | Wyzard | That used to be sufficient to defeat copy-protection schemes, but those have become more advanced now that most drives are capable of raw reading and burning |
| 04:17.47 | Wyzard | CD copy protection is an interesting arms race to watch :-) |
| 04:18.45 | Wyzard | kevin7kal: btw, the FLAC file is capable of storing an embedded cuesheet, describing the track boundaries on an audio CD |
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| 04:19.09 | Wyzard | so rather than making a separate FLAC file for each track, you can make a single file for the entire disc, with the track information (including pregaps and such) embedded in it |
| 04:19.54 | Wyzard | It's fairly straightforward to convert one of those into a format that cdrdao can burn |
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| 04:20.11 | Wyzard | backs up all his CDs that way |
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| 04:24.31 | Elite | kevin7kal, what should it say? |
| 04:26.30 | kevin7kal | Elite: an indication that a service is listening on port 143. I'm assuming you are running that command on the server that you expect imap to be listeneing |
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| 04:28.53 | Elite | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:143 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
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| 04:37.09 | fatrix | hi, i setup a mysql cluster in my personal lab, I need a load balancer for my two mysql servers. Can you propose an open source load balancer with failure detection? |
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| 04:37.56 | thirdwheel | fatrix, nginx is a pretty good load balancer, not sure if that extends to SQL servers though |
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| 04:40.47 | thirdwheel | hey all, got debian etch, now I've got an ADMTek NC100 network card with a DEC 21x4x compatible chipset... i've upgraded to kernel 2.6.24, tried to load the dec2104x module, but I can't for the life of me get it to recognise the network card |
| 04:41.02 | Wyzard | Elite: looks like there's something listening on the IMAP port |
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| 04:42.15 | thirdwheel | the same card works in ubuntu without a problem, I just don't have a full live CD |
| 04:42.22 | fatrix | thirdweel: i'll check, thanks. |
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| 04:46.19 | thirdwheel | i also tried lenny, it wouldn't detect the card during install :/ |
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| 04:54.36 | ssamoon | ahh... no X is just so... liberating. wish i could fit more chars on the screen sometimes though.. |
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| 04:59.01 | ssamoon | i don't have a driver installed for my wireless card yet (macbook pro). is there a way for me to still access what info my system has on this component? |
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| 05:00.52 | CcSsNET | type in lspci |
| 05:01.04 | CcSsNET | and lsmod |
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| 05:01.47 | ssamoon | CcSsNET: thanks |
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| 05:03.10 | enouf | ranix: try commands such like cdda2wav -v63 -N -d0 dev=/dev/cdrom for some info about any audio cd - i recall kde presenting me with many formats avail from an audiocd i've inserted (flac, ogg, mp3, etc) .. and with quesstimations about how big the files would be once ripped - likely some plugin pkg |
| 05:04.46 | enouf | ranix: also note - ever wonder why audiocd data is usually distributed as bin/cue format? :-) |
| 05:05.17 | enouf | that would be that 'raw' thing you guys were mentioning |
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| 05:06.38 | enouf | like -raw96 options etc for cdrdao/cdda2wav - the cdrkit docs actually have some useful (old) docs about all this - might need svn versions |
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| 05:09.31 | oh_noes | I have a directory I cant delete because it has 3 'links' (ls -l, 2nd column) |
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| 05:09.39 | oh_noes | How can I see what's pointing to it? |
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| 05:11.27 | enouf | oh_noes: some bind mounts? |
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| 05:11.53 | enouf | and use ls -ld on a dir/ |
| 05:13.16 | enouf | if you want to know more about symlinks, you could use readlink -f /path/to/dir to see where the links point to eventually |
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| 05:14.25 | Ian00 | for ssh server, should i use ssh or ssh-server package? |
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| 05:14.55 | thirdwheel | ssh gives you client programs as well |
| 05:15.10 | Ian00 | or openssh-server |
| 05:15.15 | Ian00 | ok, ill go with that i guess |
| 05:15.35 | enouf | oh_noes: for ex; ls -ld /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build if you have headers installed should look like this; /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 05:15.59 | enouf | remember though - leave off the last / in the path /build/ |
| 05:16.02 | Ian00 | i already have openssh-client |
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| 05:16.28 | thirdwheel | thats fine, it'll install the rest of it as well |
| 05:16.50 | thirdwheel | it wont install what you already have unless it needs upgrading |
| 05:16.56 | ssamoon | is breaking down and installing XFCE... bah |
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| 05:23.41 | djrdeb | omg debian is amazing. I got into linux just a few months ago, was distro-hopping the whole time, had briefly tried debian... Now I'm trying it again and doing no DE install, using fluxbox and apt-get at command line... I have run into ZERO errors.... cant believe it >D |
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| 05:24.40 | djrdeb | menu;s set up automaticlly, and actually working |
| 05:25.32 | djrdeb | guess that's a "Duh!" to all u :) |
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| 05:28.13 | bwwww | hi. I just upgraded to lenny but it appears an app i use dosn't work with the 2.6..26 kernel. Is there anyway to downgrade to 2.6.24 (or earlier)? |
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| 05:28.36 | bwwww | some easy way that does not require me compiling a kernel ... :) |
| 05:29.00 | zinx | o_O |
| 05:29.01 | zinx | what app? |
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| 05:29.33 | bwwww | mythtv |
| 05:29.56 | zinx | i am pretty sure mythtv works with 2.6.26 |
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| 05:30.20 | bwwww | It can if myth is patched but I don't know where to get that |
| 05:30.30 | bwwww | https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/259321 |
| 05:30.31 | uman | hi, what is the process for using a printer connected to a Windows machine on my home network, from Linux? |
| 05:30.43 | bwwww | the easiest way would be to downgrade the kernel |
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| 05:31.03 | uman | bwwww: were you talking to me? |
| 05:31.18 | bwwww | uman, no zinx |
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| 05:31.49 | zinx | bwwww: funny, it works here not patched :x |
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| 05:32.02 | zinx | bwwww: or at least only with debian's patches (or debian-multimedia, i'm not clear on that :P ) |
| 05:32.10 | bwwww | zinx, are you using bttv? |
| 05:32.16 | bwwww | (analog bttv) |
| 05:32.32 | zinx | bwwww: no; em288x |
| 05:32.40 | zinx | or 28xx, whatever it is |
| 05:33.03 | bwwww | thats the problem :( myth does not know how to deal with the change in the driver |
| 05:33.41 | bwwww | can the old linux-kernel be pinholed from etch? |
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| 05:34.32 | bwwww | or apt pinning or whatever it is called |
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| 05:35.25 | pl4yer0ne | bwwww, I would think not as its in a different release |
| 05:36.07 | pl4yer0ne | bad things can happen if you cross populate your system with different releases |
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| 05:37.46 | bwwww | member:pl4yer0ne: thats what i am worried about |
| 05:38.04 | bwwww | i will just have to compile |
| 05:38.34 | pl4yer0ne | probably easier to just try using the other kernel first |
| 05:38.54 | pl4yer0ne | more importantly why would you want to use it? |
| 05:39.21 | bwwww | which kernel should I try using? |
| 05:39.32 | pl4yer0ne | first why? |
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| 05:41.28 | bwwww | the 2.6.24 kernel does not seem to have this problem |
| 05:42.31 | pl4yer0ne | oh ok. |
| 05:42.49 | pl4yer0ne | (had to scroll up and look I wasnt here before) |
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| 05:44.24 | pl4yer0ne | is there a bug for it in debian? |
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| 05:50.44 | enouf | bwwww: have you tried with the etch-backports .26 or the etchnhalf .24 ? |
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| 05:51.27 | bwwww | pl4yerOne: i don't know if where the fault lies. xawtv works fine so I think it is probably a myth problem |
| 05:51.38 | bwwww | enouf: I have not tried that kernel |
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| 05:51.41 | enouf | uman: something cups related i'd imagine - maybe IPP as well |
| 05:51.53 | bwwww | i am busy compiling 2.6.24 |
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| 05:52.05 | Wyzard | bwwww: The bug page you posted earlier said that it was fixed by an update to the mythtv package |
| 05:52.40 | enouf | judd versions mythtv |
| 05:52.41 | judd | enouf: mythtv -- etch-multimedia: 0.21-0.11etch1 lenny-multimedia: 0.21.svn20080706-0.0 sid-multimedia: 0.21.svn20090322-0.0 |
| 05:53.37 | bwwww | Wyzard: yes, I noticed that. I figure it is going to be easier for me to recompile the kernel, than myth and all its deps |
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| 05:54.37 | bwwww | enouf: I could upgrade to side |
| 05:54.40 | bwwww | sid |
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| 05:56.04 | enouf | or .. you could do a simple sid backport yourself |
| 05:56.24 | bwwww | apt pin it in? |
| 05:56.31 | enouf | !ssb |
| 05:56.31 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 05:58.53 | bwwww | thanks |
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| 06:03.39 | xbj_A21m | hello |
| 06:04.07 | twinkie_addict | hi |
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| 06:10.56 | xbj_A21m | I'm having a problem with my sound breaking, after closing finch |
| 06:11.07 | xbj_A21m | possibly during running finch |
| 06:11.33 | xbj_A21m | but I get this error at close: http://nopaste.com/p/ajcpM7H1t |
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| 06:23.40 | Petrol | Btw: I got ipv6 on the box : PPP |
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| 06:46.54 | jetscreamer | /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26.1 does not exist. Cannot update. <<-- wtf? no duh, uninstalled months ago |
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| 06:47.42 | enouf | why are you trying to update a non-existant initrd jetscreamer ? |
| 06:48.16 | nardul | Does anyone have any experience with netatalk, and problems with files just being locked? |
| 06:48.24 | enouf | jetscreamer: check /etc/kernel-img.conf, it's manpage, and your symlinks in / |
| 06:48.37 | jetscreamer | i'm not 'dpkg' is |
| 06:48.43 | jetscreamer | !blame the bot |
| 06:48.43 | dpkg | blames Bryanstein and the bot for all the evil in the world |
| 06:49.49 | xbj_A21m | hi enouf |
| 06:50.00 | jetscreamer | no vmlinuz, no grub entry, and kernel-img.conf is the same as it has been since i last edited it >6 months ago |
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| 06:50.09 | enouf | nardul: maybe an hfs+ issue? (file locking) |
| 06:50.12 | jetscreamer | more like 1.5 yrs probably |
| 06:50.42 | jetscreamer | and i always --purge |
| 06:50.43 | enouf | xbj_A21m: hi - and no, i don't know what finch is |
| 06:51.01 | jetscreamer | maybe /lib/modules or so |
| 06:51.12 | enouf | jetscreamer: you have no kernel? |
| 06:51.22 | jetscreamer | not 'that' kernel |
| 06:51.30 | jetscreamer | just stock debian ones atm |
| 06:51.36 | jetscreamer | that kernel was a custom |
| 06:51.51 | xbj_A21m | finch is the commandline interface to the same stuff as Pidgin |
| 06:52.00 | jetscreamer | no i cleaned out the kruft in /lib/modules too |
| 06:52.02 | xbj_A21m | I'm in it right now |
| 06:52.03 | enouf | maybe run apt-get autoclean or something |
| 06:52.12 | nardul | enouf, I have no idea :) I do linux, not apple. I'm trying to look into it. |
| 06:52.22 | project2501b | new kernel out: 2.6.30: has USB 3.0 support, stable rdbfs |
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| 06:52.34 | enouf | that's not how you --purge remove a .deb |
| 06:52.52 | nardul | project2501b, And AP mode for IWL3945 /begs |
| 06:52.54 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 06:53.04 | enouf | project2501b: usb3 sucks chilled monkey gonads |
| 06:53.13 | jetscreamer | you are saying autoclean is different from --purge since it removes related packages |
| 06:53.25 | jetscreamer | aka orphaned |
| 06:53.35 | enouf | jetscreamer: no, i'm saying there is no cruft in /lib/modules |
| 06:53.43 | jetscreamer | there 'was' |
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| 06:53.51 | enouf | there isn't |
| 06:54.03 | jetscreamer | true.. but there was.. :) |
| 06:54.07 | jetscreamer | (nvidia) |
| 06:54.09 | enouf | not when you use dpkg to install / remove a deb |
| 06:54.26 | enouf | a correctly built linux-image-version |
| 06:54.36 | jetscreamer | but the .run installs to /lib/modules/whatever and the directories are not removed when --purging (non-empty) |
| 06:54.51 | enouf | wtf is a .run? |
| 06:54.53 | jetscreamer | installs some stuff to, rather |
| 06:54.59 | jetscreamer | the nvidia binary installer |
| 06:55.01 | xbj_A21m | haha |
| 06:55.04 | jetscreamer | the non debian one |
| 06:55.09 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
| 06:55.09 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 06:55.19 | enouf | !nvidia.run |
| 06:55.19 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). More specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel-related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. See also <why nvidia-installer sucks>. |
| 06:55.22 | jetscreamer | nvidia-installer there we go |
| 06:55.28 | enouf | ;-) |
| 06:55.42 | enouf | !factinfo nvidia.run |
| 06:55.42 | dpkg | nvidia.run -- created by themill <~stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk> at Tue Sep 9 14:46:05 2008 (203 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by enouf, 23s ago. |
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| 06:55.50 | jetscreamer | but anyway... update-initramfs must have a record somewhere |
| 06:55.56 | enouf | bah - thought it was you jet |
| 06:56.12 | jetscreamer | Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ... /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26.1 does not exist. Cannot update. |
| 06:56.19 | enouf | it's a shell script - read itr |
| 06:56.42 | enouf | mkinitramfs-kpkg invokes it - or is deprecated |
| 06:56.50 | jetscreamer | !factinfo nvrun |
| 06:56.50 | dpkg | nvrun -- last modified at Fri Mar 7 18:36:14 2008 by jetscreamer!n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer; it has been requested 14 times, last by jetscreamer at Sat Sep 20 00:11:41 2008. |
| 06:56.55 | enouf | ahh! |
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| 06:59.47 | jetscreamer | executes this overclock the nvidia card script and goes off to kill ppl (online) |
| 06:59.54 | jetscreamer | s/this/his/ |
| 07:00.05 | ssamoon | if im upgrading from lenny to sid, do i need to add any other repos other than the main one? lenny came with volatile & security repos |
| 07:00.23 | PeterM | ssamoon: Be careful with KDE! |
| 07:00.45 | ssamoon | PeterM: thanks.. hopefully XFCE will be ok :) |
| 07:00.45 | jetscreamer | no.. me i leave the testing/security and the testing main repos in under the sid ones... seems to work for me |
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| 07:01.05 | jetscreamer | but all you need is sid main |
| 07:01.06 | PeterM | ssamoon: Ok! Cuz kde4 is comming to unstable-tree this week. |
| 07:01.22 | jetscreamer | kde4 has had pieces in for a while eh? |
| 07:01.47 | PeterM | jetscreamer: Sorry. Yes. I mean 4.2. |
| 07:01.48 | enouf | all over the place .. yeah |
| 07:01.50 | ssamoon | should i use dist-upgrade when i upgrade? |
| 07:01.51 | jetscreamer | doesn't keep up.. ah |
| 07:01.54 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 07:01.59 | ssamoon | thanks |
| 07:02.12 | jetscreamer | don't forget aptitude update first eh :) |
| 07:02.33 | ssamoon | no flippin wicd in the lenny repo... |
| 07:02.34 | PeterM | So what is aptitude? Just a frontend? |
| 07:02.38 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:02.42 | jetscreamer | so is apt-get iirc |
| 07:02.48 | devhell_ | is the /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.29-1-common/arch/x86/Makefile_32.cpu problem already fixed in the linux-headers-2.6.29-1-686 package? |
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| 07:03.22 | jetscreamer | devhell_: was > just Makefile_32.cpu ... that dude fuxored it up royallyt |
| 07:03.23 | ssamoon | devhell_: i was having that problem earlier... i ended up reinstalling with amd64 :( |
| 07:03.28 | jetscreamer | no idea if it's fixed though |
| 07:03.48 | devhell_ | oh.. but thanks for the info.. ;) |
| 07:03.54 | ssamoon | devhell_: so i dont think so. i had the same problem with 2.6.29 and 2.6.26 |
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| 07:04.15 | devhell_ | so a self-compiled kernel would do the job? |
| 07:04.54 | PeterM | devhell_: I think so. |
| 07:05.15 | ssamoon | beyond me.. but i am pretty sure i was hosed without those header files. it worked like a week ago |
| 07:05.31 | bwwww | thanks for your help (those guys who were helping me an hour ago) |
| 07:05.46 | devhell_ | k.. thanks.. |
| 07:06.08 | ssamoon | praying i will finally get to unplug this network cable from my laptop in the next few mins.. |
| 07:06.36 | ssamoon | and also get more than 2 hours of battery life |
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| 07:09.26 | devhell_ | on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521712 bastian blank states that kernel-package use is deprecated.. what does he mean exactly? |
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| 07:10.54 | enouf | what is he referring to? |
| 07:11.39 | enouf | kernel-package is where make-kpkg comes from ... is he referring to recent specific builds? |
| 07:11.43 | ssamoon | hm.. he doesn't mean kernel-source? because i think thats old |
| 07:12.11 | devhell_ | oops... sorry guys.. maximilian attems stated that.. |
| 07:12.57 | devhell_ | he is reffering to the "howto" that Encolpe Degoute made.. |
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| 07:13.08 | ssamoon | loves curses |
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| 07:13.39 | stew | well maximilian attems is indeed a debian kernel-team member |
| 07:13.43 | devhell_ | in the same bugreport... hence on the same page.. |
| 07:14.13 | devhell_ | stew: yes.. but what does he mean exactly.. |
| 07:14.16 | stew | first i've herad of k-p being deprecated. except when the k-p author was deprecating it before he started overhaulint it |
| 07:14.35 | enouf | "linux-headers-2.6.29-1-686: Makefile_32.cpu file missing from header files for x86 architecture" sounds .29 specific |
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| 07:14.43 | stew | devhell_: that aparantly the kernel team discourages you from using it |
| 07:15.00 | devhell_ | and what should I use instead? |
| 07:15.06 | enouf | .26 |
| 07:15.16 | devhell_ | hrm.. ok.. |
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| 07:18.30 | devhell_ | oh.. and Lennart Sorensen further down on that page says that symlinks from the past release are no longer needed anymore due to the new magic Makefile stuff.. can anyone explain the meaning of that or is it something that one needs not to know if youre not a kernel-developer.. |
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| 07:24.21 | ssamoon | this is retarded but... ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ... i have that file in /usr/lib, how do i make sure my binaries are seaching for shared libs properly? |
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| 07:25.38 | enouf | i would think he's referring to the fact that using make-kpkg to build kernel_headers is not correct because one needs to build linux-kbuiild-version in order to then build the headers from (kust a wild guess for now) - maybe it's just the "new magic Makefile stuff" that's the issue ... or is some new multiarch support going on i'm unaware of since it seems it's only an issue for 32bit crap on amd64 |
| 07:25.52 | enouf | s/kust/just |
| 07:26.25 | devhell_ | enouf: ok.. thank you.. ;) |
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| 07:27.03 | enouf | devhell_: the workaround posted seems easy enough to do (copy the missing file over) |
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| 07:28.34 | devhell_ | enouf: ok.. I will give it a shot should my self compiled kernel fail.. |
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| 07:32.48 | devhell_ | ah.. and another thing.. i have a logitech quickcam 9000 here, and it gets set as default alsa device over my internal soundcard.. how can I change that behavior so that my internal soundcard stays the default.. |
| 07:33.06 | enouf | alsaconf ? |
| 07:33.37 | enouf | although .. i hear that's missing now too .. in sid? |
| 07:33.45 | devhell_ | ... damn... I guess I should get some sleep.. thanks enouf .. ;) |
| 07:33.53 | devhell_ | well.. squeeze/sid |
| 07:34.18 | enouf | wonderful |
| 07:34.24 | devhell_ | ? |
| 07:34.41 | enouf | go to bed already ;-) |
| 07:34.51 | devhell_ | ok.. :-D |
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| 07:36.07 | enouf | devhell_: at worst - create a ~/.asoundrc file or something - see http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc |
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| 07:40.23 | code64 | hi |
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| 07:46.14 | devhell_ | enouf: will do.. thanks alot.. bedtime now.. ;) |
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| 07:48.19 | {g} | Hey People! How can I see if a lines in a textfile end with LF or "CR LF"? |
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| 07:48.22 | {g} | Should I use some hex editor or something? |
| 07:48.29 | enouf | cat -A |
| 07:48.35 | FalscherHase | hi. my computer just died an out of memory death. does "init invoked oom-killer" mean that the kernel tried to kill init? |
| 07:48.52 | enouf | {g}: and man ascii |
| 07:49.22 | JyZyXEL | i have both linux-image-2.6-k7 and linux-image-2.6-686 installed but i can only see -686 in grub :( |
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| 07:49.27 | enouf | no, almost the exact opposite/inverse FalscherHase |
| 07:49.31 | JyZyXEL | i wanna use k7 |
| 07:49.51 | enouf | !k7 dropped |
| 07:49.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 Use the -686 kernel images instead. |
| 07:49.54 | {g} | enouf: cat -A shows $ at the end of each line |
| 07:50.01 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 07:50.03 | enouf | yep |
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| 07:50.28 | enouf | and if there were \n or \r or both you'd also see those |
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| 07:50.35 | FalscherHase | enouf: ok, that's good. i see no line "Killed process X", so do you think it didn't succeed in killing any process? |
| 07:50.39 | enouf | bah |
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| 07:51.53 | Blackhold | hello, I've got an script, if I execute it manually (./script.sh) it works, but if I use this same script with crontab it don't |
| 07:52.05 | Blackhold | what could happen? |
| 07:52.07 | enouf | {g}: what is it? 020? look at the file with a hexeditor (or grep for it, or...) - that's what i used to do - or run it through 'tr' or something |
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| 07:52.43 | enouf | ok 0A and 0D - find those |
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| 07:53.02 | FalscherHase | Blackhold: different environment variables? PATH may be different |
| 07:53.03 | enouf | no 0D, you're golden |
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| 07:53.27 | enouf | otherwise tofrodos, and even nano can convert/save in UNIX or DOS format |
| 07:54.07 | Blackhold | FalscherHase: http://rafb.net/p/uDlDp560.html |
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| 07:54.37 | cydork | !tell {g} -about dos2unix |
| 07:54.38 | Blackhold | crontab takes paths correctly |
| 07:54.46 | Blackhold | 'cause it saves the info |
| 07:54.58 | enouf | FalscherHase: "<FalscherHase> hi. my computer just died an out of memory death" <--sounds to me like everything died, including any/all X stuff |
| 07:55.06 | Blackhold | it works but it don't work rightly on writing to tape |
| 07:55.41 | prince_jammys | Hi. I'm running squeeze and trying to install non-free drivers for an old nvidia card (riva tnt2). The debian wiki says I need the 71xx version from etch (not in testing repositories). what's the right way to go about installing it? |
| 07:56.00 | enouf | FalscherHase: cat /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_* says? (use a pastebin) |
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| 07:56.38 | FalscherHase | enouf: 0\n50 |
| 07:56.41 | Blackhold | and the strangest thing is when compressing files sizes aren't correct... |
| 07:56.48 | xbj_A21m | nice screen-name prince_jammys |
| 07:56.54 | prince_jammys | heh |
| 07:57.06 | Blackhold | www folder compressed only weights 20 bytes |
| 07:57.26 | Blackhold | if I execute script it weights more |
| 07:57.37 | enouf | FalscherHase: ok, now explain exactly what happened and what your statement means - you mean the system automatically warm-rebooted itself? |
| 07:57.46 | JyZyXEL | !folder |
| 07:57.46 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 07:57.53 | prince_jammys | (i'm pretty new to debian, so i don't know if the right way is to somehow edit my sources.list, or to get package and install with dpkg, or...) |
| 07:58.21 | prince_jammys | .. or just to use nv :) |
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| 07:58.28 | enouf | prince_jammys: grab the source from sid |
| 07:58.50 | enouf | prince_jammys: and use module-assistant as the wiki states |
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| 07:59.49 | prince_jammys | enouf: ok. |
| 08:00.10 | FalscherHase | enouf: ok: i had a graphical java process with huge memory leak. no swap configured. X effectively halted, but the harddisk was very active. no keyboard input worked so i had to hard-reset it. |
| 08:00.30 | FalscherHase | enouf: i was curious afterwards why it wouldn't kill some processes, getting to the java monster eventually. |
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| 08:00.50 | prince_jammys | enouf: when you say "grab it from sid" .. am i downloading the package myself, or using apt? |
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| 08:01.15 | FalscherHase | enouf: in /var/log/messages i see several instances of "X invoked oom-killer", the first X being init, but no line like "Killed process Y" |
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| 08:05.38 | enouf | prince_jammys: go d/l it yourself .. it's just less complicated that way - grab both "nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-71xx" and "nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx" |
| 08:06.30 | prince_jammys | ok |
| 08:06.35 | FalscherHase | Blackhold: different access rights maybe? can't access /var/www from the cron user? |
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| 08:06.42 | enouf | prince_jammys: also - if something goes wrong, then also grab "nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source" but not sure if it's needed - see some of those are source pkgs, some are binary |
| 08:07.02 | Blackhold | FalscherHase: I'm running script as root |
| 08:07.21 | Blackhold | 30 9 * * 1-5 root /root/backup.sh |
| 08:07.22 | JyZyXEL | i don't think nvidia provides sources for their drivers? |
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| 08:08.14 | FalscherHase | Blackhold: ok, then i'm out of standard suggestions, sorry |
| 08:08.23 | Blackhold | :( |
| 08:08.25 | prince_jammys | enouf: thanks. these are packages i will then install with dpkg, correct? |
| 08:08.40 | enouf | FalscherHase: maybe you need to ulimit that java shit or something - but i use 2 in those files i mentioned to disable OOM, and i notice many things (GUI related) won;t even work without a swap |
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| 08:08.53 | enouf | even when there's plenty of RAM available |
| 08:08.55 | Blackhold | FalscherHase: does variables change on execute script via crontab? |
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| 08:09.20 | enouf | prince_jammys: the binary .debs, yes |
| 08:09.39 | FalscherHase | enouf: ok, thanks a lot for your suggestions |
| 08:09.42 | prince_jammys | enouf: thanks again. i'll give that a try |
| 08:10.16 | enouf | prince_jammys: this is a source pkg http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-71xx |
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| 08:10.45 | jetscreamer | so don't ask why i prefer nvidia-installer :) |
| 08:11.03 | Blackhold | FalscherHase: root != crontab root ? |
| 08:11.05 | enouf | prince_jammys: notice how it's not a .deb ;-) |
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| 08:11.32 | prince_jammys | :) |
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| 08:11.39 | enouf | FalscherHase: read man proc and find the relevant info in there |
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| 08:13.27 | Blackhold | FalscherHase: is possible to execute a program on cron without being in background? |
| 08:13.44 | Blackhold | I need this script been executed on foreground |
| 08:14.10 | Blackhold | maybe the problem is that tar isn't working alright in background... |
| 08:15.00 | FalscherHase | Blackhold: well, environment variables like SHELL or PATH will be different. root in crontab really means the system root user |
| 08:15.44 | FalscherHase | Blackhold: you could start the complete cron in foreground (option -f) but i'm not sure if the scripts will be run in foreground then, too |
| 08:16.01 | FalscherHase | Blackhold: but it should not make a difference to tar, i think |
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| 08:16.29 | Blackhold | FalscherHase: the same script, executed manually works, using crontab no, and the problem is on tar |
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| 08:17.20 | Blackhold | FalscherHase: script spends about 3 hours |
| 08:18.01 | Blackhold | FalscherHase: next step I'm gonna try to run the script manually but in the background, what's happening |
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| 08:18.36 | Blackhold | FalscherHase: there's some time limit on execute programs on background? |
| 08:18.45 | Blackhold | or in crontab? |
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| 08:20.03 | FalscherHase | Blackhold: no time limit |
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| 08:20.34 | Blackhold | is strange, 'cause script in crontab go to end of file, 'cause I have a line that checks what is in the tape and the contingut.txt appears with +3hours but empty |
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| 08:21.21 | FalscherHase | Blackhold: does your script work with #!/bin/sh instead of bash? if not you could try putting SHELL=/bin/bash in the crontab (just guessing) |
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| 08:22.27 | Blackhold | FalscherHase: exactly where? |
| 08:22.31 | Blackhold | from crontab? |
| 08:22.55 | code64 | i am excited i am about to install debian on my phone :) |
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| 08:23.19 | FalscherHase | Blackhold: at the top before the actual entries |
| 08:23.34 | Blackhold | in crontab file |
| 08:23.37 | Blackhold | not in script file |
| 08:23.44 | Blackhold | ok |
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| 08:24.18 | Blackhold | FalscherHase: in the top of the file or in the top of my command? |
| 08:25.42 | FalscherHase | Blackhold: what you could try: in /etc/crontab: one line SHELL=/bin/bash the next line your existing entry |
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| 08:26.24 | Blackhold | ok |
| 08:26.28 | Blackhold | gonna try |
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| 08:26.30 | Blackhold | thnks :) |
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| 08:33.09 | enouf | FalscherHase: there are also values in /proc/<PID>/{oom_adj,oom_score} that i suppose can be adjusted - here a ~$ cat /proc/1/oom_* yields 0 and 443, but ~$ cat /proc/2/oom_* is 0 and 0 |
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| 08:38.06 | djr | where does the package go after I do "fakeroot make-jpkg xxxxx.bin"? it's not in the directory I was working in, verbose shows it used a temp dir but deleted |
| 08:38.51 | djr | trying to install jre btw, if anyone has an easier way that some probably old guide I found |
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| 08:40.36 | enouf | heh /proc/2/ doesn't exist AFAICT - but this is what i mean; |
| 08:40.42 | enouf | root 1 0.0 0.1 2140 560 ? Ss Jan21 2:06 init [2] |
| 08:40.43 | enouf | root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan21 0:00 [kthreadd] |
| 08:40.50 | kfiggle | hello guys - i have a question bout the debian mysql - how can i get it threaded ? |
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| 08:41.07 | kfiggle | i always get only one thread in processlist |
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| 08:41.54 | kfiggle | altready tuned thread_concurency et al, but i want to have better performance with multiple cores - and atm only one thread ist running on one core ? |
| 08:42.01 | kfiggle | any suggestions ? |
| 08:42.32 | kfiggle | are there any additional packages necessary ? |
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| 08:44.26 | focus | hello |
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| 08:45.00 | djr | i dono if sun's jre is open-source or not, probably not since Debian doesn't support it. Is there any almost fully compatible alternative that's good to use? |
| 08:45.25 | enouf | !sun java |
| 08:45.32 | enouf | !java |
| 08:45.32 | dpkg | i heard java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java |
| 08:45.42 | enouf | !non-free |
| 08:45.42 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 08:46.10 | focus | how do u set something to be a command in terminal |
| 08:46.20 | djr | !install java |
| 08:46.20 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java-6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>. |
| 08:46.53 | streuner_ | djr: please message the bot (/msg dpkg <facotid>) |
| 08:47.01 | enouf | !tell djr -about msg the bot |
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| 08:47.35 | enouf | focus: alias |
| 08:47.47 | djr | ah thx :) |
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| 08:49.11 | streuner_ | kfiggle: Channel Nutzer Thema |
| 08:49.11 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.17 | focus | enouf: thank you thats so much simplar then the way i found |
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| 08:49.34 | jetscreamer | !lart streuner_ |
| 08:49.34 | dpkg | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down streuner_'s throat until streuner_ puts on 150lbs |
| 08:49.37 | lvh_ | I never quite understood that. How can it be non-free if it's GPLed? |
| 08:49.44 | S3v3N | I would like to run page with mysql and php. I have to inject file.sql, what do I need to run that? I have apache2 and php5 already, what else do I need? Thanks in advance. |
| 08:49.45 | code64 | I HAVE DONE IT!!!! |
| 08:49.53 | code64 | i have successfully installed debian on my g1 |
| 08:50.03 | lvh_ | Were they particularly anal about some bit of docs or something? |
| 08:50.03 | streuner_ | lvh: DFSG isnt GPL |
| 08:50.10 | focus | another question does any one use pro55cess on linux ? |
| 08:50.34 | lvh_ | streuner_: No, but I don't see how GPLed code can be DFSG-unsafe |
| 08:50.39 | streuner_ | looks at jetscreamer |
| 08:50.58 | jetscreamer | [03.49.12] <streuner_> kfiggle: Channel Nutzer Thema |
| 08:50.58 | jetscreamer | [03.49.12] <streuner_> #mysql 443 #mysql 5.1 GA is out! | Wiki/FAQ/Guidelines: http://hashmysql.org/ | Sense of humor mandatory | We help you find the correct solution, not spoonfeed | Current Channel Flunky: AqD | We don't support phpMyAdmin -> #phpmyadmin |
| 08:51.03 | streuner_ | lvh_: which package do you talk about? |
| 08:51.18 | lvh_ | streuner_: I would expect GPL/LGPL/BSD/MIT/Python/Apache/Perl(Artistic) licenses to be permissive enough to be DFSG safe |
| 08:51.21 | S3v3N | On my debian I would like to run page with is based on mysql and php. I have to inject file.sql, what do I need to run that? I have apache2 and php5 already, what else do I need? Thanks in advance. |
| 08:51.23 | lvh_ | streuner_: Sun Java. |
| 08:51.31 | lvh_ | streuner_: the JRE/JDK |
| 08:51.31 | S3v3N | which* |
| 08:51.36 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: well, answer kfiggle's question then :-) |
| 08:52.15 | streuner_ | lvh_: i think java is in Debian |
| 08:52.20 | jetscreamer | /join #mysql would have worked |
| 08:52.41 | streuner_ | lvh_: its still non-free :-) - /msg dpkg non-free and read it carefully :-) |
| 08:53.36 | S3v3N | On my debian I would like to run page which is based on mysql and php. I have to inject file.sql, what do I need to run that? I have apache2 and php5 already, what else do I need? Thanks in advance. |
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| 08:54.07 | OpenTokix | mysql-server? |
| 08:54.32 | S3v3N | only this? |
| 08:54.40 | D4T | is it a possible/bad idea to create a raid1 of 3 disks? |
| 08:54.41 | lvh | streuner_: I did, and I know it is, I've installed it. I don't understand how it can be both non-free (DFSG-uncompliant) and GPL'ed. Perhaps there are parts that depend on something which is far from GPL/GFDL? But then I would expect those to be pushed into contrib |
| 08:54.52 | joltcan | D4T: if one fails, all fail |
| 08:55.01 | D4T | joltcan: hmmm... why? |
| 08:55.09 | joltcan | D4T: oh, I'm stupid |
| 08:55.18 | streuner_ | nah, its DFSG compatible, otherwise it isnt in the official mirrors :-) |
| 08:55.25 | joltcan | D4T: I was thinking of raid0. have only made raid1 in paris |
| 08:55.28 | joltcan | pairs |
| 08:55.30 | streuner_ | but its still non-free... |
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| 08:55.47 | caraconan | Hi. There is a way to list the projects hosted by one repository? |
| 08:55.56 | caraconan | (of subversion) |
| 08:55.59 | D4T | joltcan: ok, i just wanted to use 3 drives for extra redundancy |
| 08:56.34 | lvh | streuner_: Please read what I said. I understand that it's in non-free. I don't understand *why*. If it really was entirely GPL'ed, shouldn't that be plenty to get DFSG-approved? |
| 08:56.55 | joltcan | D4T: I'm not sure that would work. Create a raid1 on two of them and then backup to the other or something like that |
| 08:57.11 | lvh | Seeing as any other GPL/LGPL/MIT/BSD/Apache/Perl/Python-licensed software gets in. |
| 08:57.19 | D4T | joltcan: I don't see any reason why it wouldn't, why do you think it will be a problem? |
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| 08:58.04 | joltcan | D4T: I've just never heard of anyone doing a raid1 with three drives, but it might work just fine |
| 08:58.21 | D4T | joltcan: ok, will consult Mr Google for now ;) thanks for your help :) |
| 08:59.07 | joltcan | D4T: I'm googling as we speak. Cant even find if mdadm supports it :) |
| 08:59.17 | D4T | joltcan: me either! lol |
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| 09:00.15 | OpenTokix | D4T: Make a raid1 of two disks, then keep the third as a hot-spare |
| 09:00.21 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 09:00.26 | D4T | OpenTokix: good plan |
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| 09:00.35 | OpenTokix | D4T: yes, just do it(tm) |
| 09:00.36 | D4T | OpenTokix: just reading about performance probs with 3 disks |
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| 09:01.10 | D4T | OpenTokix: :P |
| 09:01.10 | OpenTokix | D4T: Everytime when you read about filesystems and raid, you will find a g'damn article about performance problems in some setup, with some blah blah |
| 09:01.20 | rzzii | lol |
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| 09:01.29 | D4T | OpenTokix: lol |
| 09:01.35 | xingu | joltcan: it's reasonably common design in the oltp space |
| 09:01.48 | OpenTokix | oltp? |
| 09:01.49 | joltcan | xingu: Ok, just never seen it myself |
| 09:02.20 | joltcan | online transaction processing says wikipedia |
| 09:02.25 | xingu | joltcan: split off the third mirror so that a backup can run without clobbering the volume |
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| 09:03.09 | kurz | hi |
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| 09:03.36 | ringo999 | does anybody know if ekiga supports multiuser video conferencing? |
| 09:03.41 | kurz | does anybody know, how to forbid apt to use the proxy settings configured in the environment variable http_proxy? |
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| 09:04.10 | xingu | also, with a competant lvm, the more mirrors you get, the wider the stride that lvm layer will use when fetching == increased linear read perf |
| 09:05.33 | xingu | or if you make the other tradeoff, you can distribute hence reduce seek activity (which helps for random-read workload) |
| 09:05.59 | xingu | "it's all about the iops" |
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| 09:06.44 | caraconan | <kurz> http://pastebin.com/m557a468b |
| 09:06.51 | caraconan | It's a workaround |
| 09:07.03 | caraconan | Use it and empty environment variables |
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| 09:07.41 | caraconan | Can someone help me with subversion? I don't find the way to list the projects hosted by one of my old repositories |
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| 09:08.32 | aryah | novembre, kako mislis blokiramo? ne mogu otvorit drugu bitku il? |
| 09:08.40 | aryah | sry, wrong channel :) |
| 09:08.48 | kurz | I think you missunderstood me. I need the http_proxy vaiable. but in my sources.list an internal apt-cacher server is configured |
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| 09:10.30 | kurz | I allready tried "Acquire::http::proxy "";"but that doesn't work |
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| 09:11.12 | jetscreamer | omg a font i don't have |
| 09:11.34 | jetscreamer | åé¥å»å¯ <-- anybody know what font this is? |
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| 09:12.04 | jetscreamer | oh wait nm |
| 09:12.07 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 09:12.19 | jetscreamer | i have a start button |
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| 09:12.37 | caraconan | <kurz> Do you want to access to a debian repository in a machine that is inside a proxy? |
| 09:12.48 | caraconan | For instance: aptitude update |
| 09:12.51 | caraconan | Is that? |
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| 09:13.46 | jelly | jetscreamer: you are excused. |
| 09:14.08 | blindy | is it possible to copy files and if the dest dir doesnt exist, create it? |
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| 09:14.51 | jelly | blindy: sure, in two commands! |
| 09:14.53 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: well, i cannot even see those... |
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| 09:15.06 | kurz | yes, I need the proxy settings e.g. for updates of clamav, but not for aptitude update because in my sources.list, there's an internal server where no proxied connection works |
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| 09:15.45 | caraconan | [Solved] svn co file:///path/to/repository. It will download the whole repository. Then you can see the different projects inside it |
| 09:16.17 | jelly | blindy: [ ! -e "$destination_dir" ] && mkdir "$destination_dir" && cp ... "$destination_dir" |
| 09:16.24 | jelly | wait, that's three commands. |
| 09:16.30 | JyZyXEL | looks like my upgrade went well |
| 09:16.44 | jelly | blindy: make that [ ! -e "$destination_dir" ] && mkdir "$destination_dir"; cp ... "$destination_dir" |
| 09:16.58 | blindy | jelly so theres no easy way? |
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| 09:17.39 | blindy | like cp -createifnotexit foo bar |
| 09:17.40 | JyZyXEL | only thing that broke is samba |
| 09:17.55 | jelly | blindy: is foo a directory? |
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| 09:18.21 | blindy | actually im doing cp foo/* bar |
| 09:18.40 | blindy | but its annoying to have to mkdir before hand |
| 09:18.42 | caraconan | <kurz> If you want to performe every action relatted with aptitude (update, safe-upgrade, list, install...) my solution will work |
| 09:18.46 | jelly | blindy: I don't really see what's hard in checking first. |
| 09:18.59 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: nm, it was set to "IRC Latin"... |
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| 09:19.08 | streuner_ | jetscramer: in my irc-client... |
| 09:19.11 | streuner_ | brb |
| 09:19.23 | blindy | jelly, i might just alias cp as that command you provided, is there any downsides to doing so? |
| 09:19.28 | jelly | blindy: it's consistent with the unix philosophy of having lots of small tools that each do one thing (but do it well) |
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| 09:19.44 | kurz | carcaonan: even if my aptitude mirror is in local net, where no proxy has to be used? |
| 09:20.29 | jelly | blindy: well, "cp" will not acting like everywhere else |
| 09:20.39 | jelly | act* |
| 09:20.42 | caraconan | I'm always refering to access to an external mirror |
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| 09:21.13 | caraconan | I don't understand why do you want to access to an internal mirror through proxy |
| 09:21.31 | code64 | this is so awesome! |
| 09:21.39 | kurz | not throug proxy! |
| 09:21.40 | code64 | i am running apt-get update right now....FROM MY PHONE! |
| 09:22.13 | jelly | freakin iphone owners everywhere |
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| 09:22.46 | code64 | no |
| 09:22.47 | code64 | g1 |
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| 09:22.51 | code64 | iphone sucks |
| 09:22.53 | kurz | I want to fetch the package list without proxy! the proxy is only needed for other connections like update of my clamav signatures |
| 09:23.03 | jetscreamer | is getting a windows based phone, which will hopefully be better than the palm os... supplied by employer. |
| 09:23.10 | marius | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.25 | caraconan | <kurz> I'm not sure to have understood you, but my solution: do I need proxy settings? mv /etc/apt/apt.conf.unset /etc/apt/apt.conf. I need to disable it? Undo the changes |
| 09:23.26 | code64 | the g1 has the android OS open source (linux) |
| 09:23.30 | jelly | kurz: man apt.conf |
| 09:23.33 | code64 | and on top of that you can install debian on it |
| 09:23.36 | code64 | which i just did :) |
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| 09:23.43 | kurz | perhaps I should upgrade my english knowledge ;-) |
| 09:23.44 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 09:23.57 | wedge | too bad the android is FUGLY |
| 09:23.59 | jelly | kurz: you can tell apt not to use a proxy for a particular mirror |
| 09:24.00 | jetscreamer | that g1 |
| 09:24.32 | code64 | i don't think it's all that bad, and who cares if it's "fugly" if i can run real linux apps on my phone |
| 09:24.44 | code64 | if i wanted to, i could develop applications for my phone...ON MY PHONE |
| 09:25.42 | jelly | the enthusiasm is appreciated, but non-support issues are to go to #debian-offtopic |
| 09:26.17 | kurz | caraconan: I neet proxy settings, but not for apt |
| 09:26.20 | jelly | a channel in need of more people, if I may add |
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| 09:26.48 | icenine | code64: openmokooo |
| 09:26.49 | focus | can some one help me out |
| 09:26.58 | jetscreamer | how long does a kernel compile take, code64 :) |
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| 09:27.09 | code64 | dunno haven't tried :-P |
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| 09:27.16 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 09:27.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 09:27.19 | focus | i down loaded dr que for linux |
| 09:27.34 | focus | and i just switched from windows |
| 09:27.42 | focus | i have no idea what to do with it to make it work |
| 09:28.09 | jelly | focus: which version of debian are you using? What is "dr que" and where have you downloaded it from? |
| 09:28.10 | jetscreamer | no idea what that is.. if it's not in sources, we probably can't help |
| 09:28.10 | focus | i kno i have to build it ::shrug:: i dont kno how to go about that |
| 09:28.18 | caraconan | <kurz> Then with my present knowledgement I can't help you. Sorry |
| 09:28.24 | focus | i have the newest version |
| 09:28.28 | focus | dr que is a render farm |
| 09:28.40 | kurz | jelly: I hope i find the solution in the manpage. The Problem is that "The http_proxy environment variable will override all settings". Didn't recognize that there's a possibility to make some exceptions |
| 09:28.41 | jetscreamer | what does it do? there's probably ... ah |
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| 09:28.44 | focus | and its from dr queue |
| 09:28.56 | focus | i spelled it wrong |
| 09:29.07 | jelly | kurz: oh, that's a bit of an issue, right. |
| 09:29.22 | jelly | kurz: unset it when running apt :-| |
| 09:29.28 | jetscreamer | so you need to learn how to compile stuff |
| 09:29.38 | focus | yes thats the question |
| 09:29.51 | kurz | caraconan: no problem. although thanks for your effort! |
| 09:29.57 | focus | where can i get learn to compile |
| 09:30.06 | kurz | jelly: not the sollution |
| 09:30.15 | kurz | I prefer ;-) |
| 09:30.22 | caraconan | focus your new to debian? |
| 09:30.28 | focus | yes and to linux |
| 09:30.36 | caraconan | don't compile! |
| 09:30.43 | caraconan | don't follow my past errors! |
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| 09:30.48 | caraconan | aptitude install my_package |
| 09:30.51 | enouf | kurz: have one shell set with the variable and another without? |
| 09:31.02 | jelly | kurz: is "patch apt to use the env.variable at lowest priority instead of the highest" a better one? |
| 09:31.05 | caraconan | For the 99% of needs it's enough |
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| 09:31.39 | kurz | mh, annother possibility would be to force freshclam to use the proxy and deaktivate http_proxy env variable |
| 09:32.04 | kurz | enouf: bad for automating ;-) |
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| 09:32.44 | jelly | kurz: an automated script can very easily have "unset http_proxy" before running apt. |
| 09:33.05 | kurz | jelly: could possibly be the sollution |
| 09:33.39 | kurz | i meant the "patch apt" sollution |
| 09:33.40 | jelly | kurz: I'd file a wishlist bug to change that behaviour, though. |
| 09:33.54 | enouf | or have it run export http_proxy= |
| 09:34.03 | jelly | IMHO, it's not logical |
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| 09:34.50 | jelly | enouf: same thing, just uglier |
| 09:34.55 | kurz | jelly: I'll do that. I think I'm not the only one with this combination... |
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| 09:35.18 | enouf | kurz: did you originally mention apt-cacher? if so does apt-cacher-ng have what you want? |
| 09:35.23 | jelly | kurz: even if they agree, you won't get that fix until next debian release |
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| 09:35.44 | jelly | kurz: so, 2011 or so |
| 09:36.06 | enouf | backport it! |
| 09:36.23 | kurz | I know that a fix would not be integrated immediatly |
| 09:36.37 | kurz | :q |
| 09:36.57 | kurz | ups, wrong window, no vi commands allowed here ;-) |
| 09:38.48 | kurz | enouf: i mentioned apt-cacher, thats right. don't know wheather apt-cacher-ng has what I want or not... |
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| 09:39.37 | Macjust | Hello every body i have delete my /dev/null how can i create a new ? |
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| 09:40.21 | JyZyXEL | man i think apt didn't bother to upgrade /etc/init.d/samba |
| 09:40.32 | JyZyXEL | it fails to bring up samba server without any errors |
| 09:42.31 | kurz | what I did now is to deaktivate the http_proxy env, and activate proxy connection in freshclam.conf |
| 09:42.41 | JyZyXEL | maybe apt-get purge samba? |
| 09:42.44 | JyZyXEL | and then reinstall it |
| 09:43.02 | kurz | also not the ideal sollution, but it works as a start... |
| 09:43.14 | kurz | thanks for your support! |
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| 09:43.34 | kurz | and sorry if my english is not understandable |
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| 09:46.56 | JyZyXEL | ill do sudo apt-get purge samba samba-common |
| 09:47.23 | JyZyXEL | will it get rid of all the samba shit so i can do a clean samba install? |
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| 09:47.48 | petemc | JyZyXEL: when an init script doesnt work, its generally easy to debug why |
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| 09:48.06 | JyZyXEL | petemc not when there is no error output at all anywhere |
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| 09:48.28 | JyZyXEL | i bet its still the etch init file |
| 09:48.47 | petemc | JyZyXEL: yes, you add -x to the bang line, or run the commands manually yourself |
| 09:49.15 | petemc | id have though someone as smart as you would know that.. |
| 09:49.30 | JyZyXEL | bang line? |
| 09:49.39 | petemc | you bet |
| 09:50.17 | JyZyXEL | ill just md5 compare with a working lenny samba init file |
| 09:50.20 | prince_jammys | enouf: thanks. success. |
| 09:50.38 | JyZyXEL | well looks like its intact |
| 09:51.20 | JyZyXEL | ok so this is what the /etc/init.d/samba restart should look like |
| 09:51.21 | JyZyXEL | Stopping Samba daemons: nmbd smbd. |
| 09:51.21 | JyZyXEL | Starting Samba daemons: nmbd smbd. |
| 09:52.04 | JyZyXEL | well mine only says: Stopping Samba daemons: nmbd.\nStarting Samba daemons: nmbd. |
| 09:52.16 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't even try to start smbd for some reason |
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| 09:52.52 | OpenTokix | JyZyXEL: what does your logs say? |
| 09:53.08 | JyZyXEL | OpenTokix you mean /var/log/samba/log.smbd? |
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| 09:53.21 | JyZyXEL | nothing gets printed in there |
| 09:53.22 | petemc | JyZyXEL: you appear to have missed the gist of what i told you |
| 09:53.39 | JyZyXEL | yes indeed i have |
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| 09:55.02 | JyZyXEL | so i don't know what the heck is wrong |
| 09:55.08 | odinsbane | morning, does it really take 31 cds to intall lenny? |
| 09:55.26 | caraconan | <odinsbane> no |
| 09:55.37 | petemc | odinsbane: no, just one, or you you can use other media, like a usb key |
| 09:55.38 | JyZyXEL | odinsbane go read the debian.org release notes |
| 09:55.43 | petemc | odinsbane: check the install guide |
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| 09:56.20 | JyZyXEL | maybe my /etc/samba/smb.conf is fucked |
| 09:56.31 | JyZyXEL | can i somehow replace it with the original? |
| 09:57.19 | petemc | JyZyXEL: at the top of /etc/init.d/samba is a line #!/bin/sh , add -x to that |
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| 09:58.28 | JyZyXEL | holy shit what did that do D: |
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| 10:00.47 | JyZyXEL | where can i get the default smb.conf? |
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| 10:01.03 | _kettle_ | I just started using debian 5 on a new system, but what's the Correct Way(tm) to get a serial console? |
| 10:01.06 | JyZyXEL | can i somehow get it from the samba package? |
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| 10:02.06 | HurricaneHarry | JyZyXEL: i think there comes some example files with samba. |
| 10:02.29 | JyZyXEL | well their not in /usr/share/doc/samba |
| 10:03.19 | HurricaneHarry | they should be. |
| 10:03.25 | HurricaneHarry | /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/examples/smb.conf.default.gz |
| 10:03.37 | JyZyXEL | see they weren't :) |
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| 10:04.13 | HurricaneHarry | Jy: did you find them now ? |
| 10:04.19 | JyZyXEL | yea |
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| 10:04.48 | HurricaneHarry | Jy: Ok. |
| 10:05.11 | Joelio_ | Hi all, I'm having a show-stopping issue when trying to install amd64 lenny onto encrypted loopback RAID5. The base system seems to install, but it scans the updates repository, finds 2 new packages.. and fails to install. Anyone else seen this? |
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| 10:05.42 | HurricaneHarry | Jy: my way of finding those: locate samba | grep smb.conf |
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| 10:06.20 | JyZyXEL | ok i think it started to work now |
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| 10:07.07 | perfector | daloradius anyone?? |
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| 10:09.19 | icebrain | hi, i'm sure this is fairly simple, but now my network setup (using wpa-supplicant) is a part of the boot process, and it delays the startup of the rest of the process. How can I "fork" it to the background? |
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| 10:11.42 | _kettle_ | icebrain: probably not in a straight forward way, because a lot of the boot setup can be dependent on network access, which is probably why the network setup happens at the stage it does |
| 10:11.50 | siyb | hm what happend to the alsaconf script, is there a replacement i should know about? |
| 10:12.10 | _kettle_ | icebrain: perhaps you should manually enable your wireless network after boot instead, or something? |
| 10:12.48 | JyZyXEL | ls |
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| 10:13.24 | icebrain | _kettle_: yeah, but I'm sure there's a way to do it automatically.. |
| 10:13.42 | JyZyXEL | man there must be a quick way to refer to the old name when giving arguments for commands like rm, cp, mv |
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| 10:14.17 | jelly | JyZyXEL: put it in a variable and munge it? |
| 10:14.21 | JyZyXEL | i hate writing stuff like: mv foobar.conf foobar.cong.bak |
| 10:14.33 | jelly | JyZyXEL: use your tab key! |
| 10:14.41 | SQlvpapir | haha ;D |
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| 10:14.49 | _kettle_ | icebrain: it's possible, of course, but you probably want to solve it in a way that won't break next time you get an update of a particular package |
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| 10:15.11 | jelly | JyZyXEL: mv foo<TAB as needed>{,.bak} |
| 10:15.43 | _kettle_ | icebrain: don't auto-enable the interface, but add "ifup wlan0 &" to /etc/rc.local? |
| 10:16.00 | jelly | JyZyXEL: do an echo foobar.conf{,.bak} to see what { ... , ... } does |
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| 10:16.21 | icebrain | _kettle_: that's what I was thinking, but it seems hackish :| well, it'll have to do... |
| 10:16.23 | JyZyXEL | o.O |
| 10:16.34 | _kettle_ | icebrain: I agree, hackish |
| 10:18.13 | icebrain | _kettle_: it seems ifplugd supports Wifi, I thought it only supported cable setups, maybe I'll give it a try |
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| 10:18.55 | niklaslandsberg | Q: I have this odd error when trying to install Debian. Whether I use a cd or cd as media, the installation fails to find a cdrom. There is also some trouble installing windows. However, FreeBSD will install perfecty. Any clues? |
| 10:19.06 | niklaslandsberg | cd or usb |
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| 10:19.20 | Peanut | Err.. ist there a way to downgrade a Lenny back to Etch? |
| 10:19.51 | jelly | Peanut: not really, the easiest thing to do is restore the whole machine from your backup |
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| 10:20.09 | nsadmin | niklaslandsberg: specify "this odd error" precisely |
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| 10:20.42 | mib_9a2gdm65 | hi |
| 10:20.45 | beer | is there aby news about when kde 4.2 will land in sid/testing ? |
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| 10:20.50 | Peanut | For some reason this machine got it into its head that it wanted to become a Lenny and now it's sorta halfway. Ah well, clean re-install then.. but what do I do to make sure a machine stays at Etch (for driver reasons)? |
| 10:20.57 | niklaslandsberg | nsadmin: After the language selection, the installer fails to find a cdrom to install from. This is the case when installing from an usb as well as a cdrom. |
| 10:21.14 | niklaslandsberg | nsadmin: I thought this was strange because I have no trouble booting from the cd or the usb. |
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| 10:21.32 | nsadmin | so it's definitely the installer |
| 10:21.35 | jelly | Peanut: use "etch" in /etc/apt/sources.list instead of "stable" |
| 10:21.37 | niklaslandsberg | nsadmin: aye |
| 10:21.38 | _mat__ | hi, Yesterday I updated my debian testing and between the updates went kwin 3.5.10 that does not work. how can I put the previous version? |
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| 10:21.55 | _mat__ | this is the bug http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2009/03/msg00139.html |
| 10:22.01 | Peanut | jelly: I have.. now :-( But I also had puppet 'pinned' to testing, can I pin to etch/lenny instead? |
| 10:22.04 | nsadmin | probably you have hardware in need of driver support |
| 10:22.05 | jelly | Peanut: but if it's drivers only, you might just run lenny with the old kernel |
| 10:22.15 | nsadmin | well that's my first guess anyway |
| 10:22.49 | niklaslandsberg | nsadmin: Even stranger, I have been able to install from said cd or usb previously. Perhaps broken hardware? |
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| 10:22.55 | Peanut | jelly: hmm, good point, not sure I want to go there just yet, we're waiting for the hardware manufacturer to come up with drivers for Lenny |
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| 10:23.42 | focus | hey i loaded a package and cant find it any where on my computer :( |
| 10:23.48 | Peanut | It's bloody impressive to see apt-get upgrade a machine to a new OS release.. but it's not what I want! :-) |
| 10:23.55 | snomobeil | hi. I just got asked by my boss if Debian amd64 will have programs use 16 GB of RAM on a machine (that will be ordered if yes). |
| 10:23.59 | _mat__ | hei? |
| 10:24.00 | nsadmin | niklaslandsberg: bios problem maybe? also, if you think hardware could be the problem, you might want to run memtest86 for a few mins to rule out processor, mem, cards incl video |
| 10:25.13 | hit | help me! |
| 10:25.17 | nsadmin | snomobeil: I think yes |
| 10:25.22 | niklaslandsberg | nsadmin: It might be bios. I did a rollback to hardware settings, in case that would do anything. Awww well |
| 10:25.24 | nsadmin | hit hit |
| 10:25.27 | nsadmin | OOPS! |
| 10:25.30 | nsadmin | sorry :) |
| 10:25.42 | niklaslandsberg | what are you hitting? :) |
| 10:25.43 | _mat__ | :( |
| 10:25.43 | snomobeil | nsadmin: how certain are you? |
| 10:25.46 | beer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:26.05 | hit | i changed my shell from bash to sh |
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| 10:27.10 | nsadmin | snomobeil hmm. maybe you have to compile support for the large ram |
| 10:27.31 | nsadmin | hit: and you want to go back? |
| 10:27.32 | snomobeil | I mean, being the admin guy myself, I certainly *know* that the kernel will be able to recognize up to at least 64 GByte of RAM in 64 bit mode, but the question that bugs me is whether the userland on Debian amd64 will be able to use it at all (I could rephrase that to "how many 32 bit compatibility is incorporated into the userland") |
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| 10:27.46 | hit | but then i cant login as root |
| 10:27.52 | pirata_rx | hi someone have rently some issues with the internet connection and debian? |
| 10:28.17 | snomobeil | s/many/much/ |
| 10:28.28 | nsadmin | snomobeil: I'm pretty certain that if you have amd64 kernel and userland it will use the ram |
| 10:28.35 | _Brandon_ | anyone knows if it's possible to redirect stderr to both stdout and a separate file? |
| 10:28.45 | petemc | _Brandon_: use tee |
| 10:28.59 | hit | nsadmin,it print 'sh not exist' |
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| 10:29.02 | nsadmin | hit: try sudo chsh |
| 10:29.19 | snomobeil | nsadmin: yes, that is what I thought, too... |
| 10:29.25 | hit | really? |
| 10:29.35 | nsadmin | did you say /bin/sh? |
| 10:29.39 | nsadmin | or just sh? |
| 10:29.41 | hit | yes |
| 10:29.47 | snomobeil | nsadmin: anyhow... I *think* it depends on whether there are 32-bit-programs in the default install |
| 10:30.09 | nsadmin | snomobeil: there should not be... they require special libs |
| 10:30.11 | hit | sh |
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| 10:30.19 | code64 | how do you uninstall a program from the command line ? |
| 10:30.37 | nsadmin | a program or a package? |
| 10:30.40 | code64 | program |
| 10:30.44 | code64 | irssi to be exact |
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| 10:30.51 | hit | yes,i type chsh |
| 10:30.54 | nsadmin | how did you install it? |
| 10:30.58 | hit | then i type sh |
| 10:30.59 | code64 | apt-get install irssi |
| 10:31.10 | snomobeil | nsadmin: yes. |
| 10:31.11 | hit | does it matter |
| 10:31.15 | nsadmin | ok, so the package it's in is also named irssi |
| 10:31.23 | code64 | you need to update your config file i think tho too hit |
| 10:31.24 | nsadmin | dpkg -r irssi |
| 10:31.24 | dpkg | removes irssi along with a pound of flesh from nsadmin's body, then staples nsadmin back up with a staple gun. |
| 10:31.26 | snomobeil | nsadmin: proprietary stuff is the only thing I can think of. |
| 10:31.32 | code64 | thanks nsadmin |
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| 10:32.25 | hit | nsadmin,you mean i shoule type /bin/sh instead of sh |
| 10:32.29 | nsadmin | staples dpkg's staples with a staple uzi that shoots staples! |
| 10:32.41 | nsadmin | hit: yes |
| 10:33.02 | hit | thank you ,nsadmin |
| 10:33.09 | nsadmin | has to be the full path to the shell... additionally, it has to appear in /etc/shells |
| 10:33.13 | hit | i will try |
| 10:33.25 | hit | quit |
| 10:33.46 | nsadmin | he hit it and quit! |
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| 10:34.17 | Joelio_ | trundles off to install ubuntu 8.04 64bit as he can't get a resolution to the installer issue |
| 10:34.21 | snomobeil | thanks nsadmin |
| 10:34.24 | snomobeil | time for coffee. |
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| 10:37.40 | smartd | hi |
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| 10:38.32 | HurricaneHarry | smartd: hi |
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| 10:38.57 | smartd | have a debian server and notebook conneeted to a cisco router (pppoA). i can ping the internet from them all. But cant browse some sites like yahoo, hotmail from the server |
| 10:39.17 | smartd | I cant browse any sites from the notebook |
| 10:39.17 | focus | any one here using a wacom bamboo pad ? |
| 10:39.26 | code64 | well it is april fools maybe someone shut the servers down lol |
| 10:39.39 | snomobeil | focus: I tried the bamboo last year |
| 10:39.52 | focus | can some one help me get it working |
| 10:40.03 | smartd | well code64 not possible |
| 10:40.05 | snomobeil | focus: but I warn you, I returned it to the store right after because it drove me nuts |
| 10:40.08 | nsadmin | smartd why not? |
| 10:40.08 | HurricaneHarry | smartd: nameservices ? |
| 10:40.17 | focus | what was wrong? |
| 10:40.39 | snomobeil | focus: something about it wouldn't work right -- I think it was the calibration that steadily lost focus |
| 10:40.50 | smartd | its nota dns problem since using dig gives me the ip addresses of any site |
| 10:40.51 | focus | snomobeil: hmmm |
| 10:41.03 | snomobeil | focus: my wife used it, she probably knows what it was. |
| 10:41.14 | snomobeil | focus: but she is not here right now |
| 10:41.15 | focus | snomobeil: i cant get the tool set to work |
| 10:41.21 | focus | snomobeil: yay |
| 10:41.33 | focus | maybe if i kick it |
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| 10:41.47 | nsadmin | smartd: you say "some sites", can you give examples of sites that work? |
| 10:42.02 | smartd | google for example |
| 10:42.02 | focus | snomobeil: Have you ever loaded a package and not been able to find it |
| 10:42.14 | nsadmin | so google works by name? |
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| 10:42.27 | snomobeil | focus: I didn't use debian for it. I used the linuxwacom things from their sf project page |
| 10:42.29 | smartd | the only 2 sites that dont work on the server presently are yahoo and hotmail |
| 10:42.37 | hit | nsadmin,i forgot one thing |
| 10:42.44 | snomobeil | focus: other distribution with Xorg 1.4 I think |
| 10:42.55 | focus | snomobeil: i found a package to calibrate it but i cant find the program |
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| 10:42.59 | hit | i was not in sudoers |
| 10:43.07 | nsadmin | smartd: what happens when you use dig or nslookup on one of the nonworking sites? |
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| 10:43.22 | HurricaneHarry | smartd: what is wrong with them ? |
| 10:43.28 | snomobeil | focus: can't help you there, I just remembered we returned it to the store because I got a fit from trying to make it work |
| 10:43.36 | smartd | i still get their ip addresses |
| 10:43.36 | hit | It need to be root |
| 10:43.42 | smartd | thats the weird thing |
| 10:43.51 | hit | and i cant login in as root |
| 10:44.07 | focus | snomobeil: i asumed it would be which bums me out |
| 10:44.14 | smartd | but when i browse on the server it doesnt go through |
| 10:44.30 | nsadmin | try ssh root@localhost -c '/bin/bash' |
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| 10:44.50 | focus | snomobeil: i do a ton of graphics work and want to switch over from adobe and i think gimp and inkscape are better but the tablet thing might ruin my whole linux thing |
| 10:45.20 | HurricaneHarry_ | smart: wich browser ? |
| 10:45.21 | snomobeil | focus: yeah, I know the feeling -- my wife has since gotten around to use an Aiptek 6000U |
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| 10:45.28 | smartd | lynx |
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| 10:46.10 | snomobeil | focus: it works, but also loses focus sometimes and has to be calibrated. She says that one must "know what not to do" in order to use it for work... |
| 10:46.12 | nsadmin | smartd: what happens when you telnet yahoo.com 80 |
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| 10:46.50 | focus | any one using a wacom tablet? |
| 10:46.53 | nsadmin | smartd: also, do you get any error indication? anything that would suggest why? |
| 10:47.17 | smartd | well guess if i did i wouldnt ask here nsadmin |
| 10:47.25 | smartd | i have tried quite alot of stuff |
| 10:48.03 | smartd | thought it has to do with the cisco router i am using but i have done all the debugging to eliminate that |
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| 10:48.14 | HurricaneHarry_ | smartd: lynx cant do hotmail, no javascript. |
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| 10:48.21 | nsadmin | smartd: and the telnet? what happens? |
| 10:48.46 | hit | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.46 | smartd | Hurricane: but can do yahoo |
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| 10:48.57 | hit | refused! |
| 10:49.10 | SteveHH | hello @ all |
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| 10:49.25 | nsadmin | hit: so you're not runnign sshd |
| 10:49.44 | hit | let me check |
| 10:49.44 | xingu | smartd: what happens if you dig for aaaa record rather than a |
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| 10:50.56 | hit | then how can i start it |
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| 10:51.13 | nsadmin | it's likely not installed |
| 10:51.15 | D4T | does anyone look after a plesk server here? |
| 10:51.17 | smartd | hit: U might be running sshd but have you checked tcpwrappers......... |
| 10:51.40 | hit | no |
| 10:51.55 | hit | i think it has been install |
| 10:52.00 | nsadmin | if he hasn't changed those they won't be set very likely |
| 10:52.10 | nsadmin | see if there's a /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 10:52.17 | Macjust | i have a Attempt to access block outside partition error :'( with many number how can i repare this ? |
| 10:52.55 | nsadmin | Macjust: you hAve a backup? |
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| 10:54.44 | Macjust | no |
| 10:54.46 | Macjust | :'( |
| 10:55.29 | nsadmin | I guess you could try fsck on that partition |
| 10:55.59 | Macjust | /: clean, 39722/2562240 files, 668816/5120710 blocks |
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| 10:56.29 | nsadmin | is it read-only right now? |
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| 10:56.49 | Macjust | how do i to known |
| 10:56.50 | Macjust | ? |
| 10:56.58 | nsadmin | mount |
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| 10:57.02 | Macjust | i can mount |
| 10:57.06 | Macjust | and write in |
| 10:57.15 | nsadmin | no, just mount |
| 10:57.15 | Macjust | i am is rescue mod |
| 10:57.22 | nsadmin | then read the output |
| 10:57.38 | nsadmin | oh, you are? |
| 10:57.40 | Macjust | no listed |
| 10:57.49 | Macjust | i am ? |
| 10:58.04 | nsadmin | in rescue mode. |
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| 10:58.05 | Macjust | proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 10:58.05 | Macjust | none on /dev/.static/dev type tmpfs (rw) |
| 10:58.05 | Macjust | tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10240k,mode=755) |
| 10:58.05 | Macjust | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 10:58.05 | Macjust | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
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| 10:58.13 | Macjust | yes |
| 10:58.17 | Macjust | i am in the rescue |
| 10:58.32 | Macjust | i can mount my hda to modify a file |
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| 10:58.59 | xingu | wonders what sort of a frankengnome he'd end up with if he let sid's proposed upgrades go through |
| 10:59.34 | nsadmin | ok, you could try fsck -f it |
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| 11:00.32 | Macjust | /: 39722/2562240 files (0.4% non-contiguous), 668816/5120710 blocks |
| 11:00.39 | Macjust | (with 5 pass) |
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| 11:04.51 | nsadmin | the thing is... the drive could be failing with an error similar to that |
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| 11:04.51 | nsadmin | so you want to copy the data off of it asap |
| 11:04.51 | Macjust | i can't... |
| 11:04.51 | Macjust | i use xen |
| 11:04.52 | Macjust | i work in a virtual drive |
| 11:04.52 | _mat__ | hi, Yesterday I updated my debian testing and between the updates went kwin 3.5.10 that does not work. how can I put the previous version? this is the bug http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2009/03/msg00139.html |
| 11:04.52 | nsadmin | is this a remote? |
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| 11:04.52 | FalscherHase | _mat__: oooh i have the same problem and didn't know it was in kwin. thanks for pointing me to it :) |
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| 11:04.52 | Macjust | remote ? |
| 11:04.52 | _mat__ | FalscherHase, which version you have to kwin? |
| 11:04.52 | nsadmin | is the machine that is running your virtual server within reach? or is it 5000 miles away? |
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| 11:04.52 | Macjust | 50000 |
| 11:04.52 | Macjust | :p |
| 11:05.02 | Macjust | in a datacenter |
| 11:05.04 | nsadmin | so it's far away |
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| 11:05.15 | nsadmin | you need to call them |
| 11:05.20 | Macjust | i can't acces to it |
| 11:05.24 | nsadmin | you need to get it backed up |
| 11:05.39 | hit | yes,there is no sshd process |
| 11:05.42 | FalscherHase | _mat__: i recently updated to 3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 |
| 11:05.46 | nsadmin | you need to call them |
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| 11:06.22 | _mat__ | FalscherHase, me too, but does not work :( |
| 11:06.32 | nsadmin | hit: and no /usr/sbin/sshd too? if it |
| 11:06.38 | FalscherHase | _mat__: 3.5.9 is in stable, it should be possible to install it from there |
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| 11:06.42 | nsadmin | is not there, it's not installed |
| 11:06.53 | _mat__ | FalscherHase, i use testing |
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| 11:07.29 | _mat__ | FalscherHase, I tried to put 3.5.9 but there are problems with kdebase |
| 11:07.30 | hit | /usr/sbin/sshd |
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| 11:07.52 | hit | yes |
| 11:07.54 | hit | no |
| 11:08.30 | nsadmin | which? :) |
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| 11:08.44 | hit | it not installed |
| 11:08.44 | _mat__ | FalscherHase, ? |
| 11:08.52 | hit | but cant install it |
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| 11:09.06 | hit | need root |
| 11:09.09 | et | /nick SantaMaria |
| 11:09.35 | nsadmin | then you'll have to rescue it, edit the passwd file and change the last field to /bin/bash |
| 11:09.39 | FalscherHase | _mat__: i see... i'm currently trying to downgrade kwin |
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| 11:09.56 | hurricaneharry | thinks hit needs to correct his issue by booting from a cd. |
| 11:10.12 | hit | try |
| 11:10.12 | _mat__ | ok, I hope you succeed. Then explain to me: P |
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| 11:10.45 | hit | failed! |
| 11:10.49 | hit | need root |
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| 11:12.10 | FalscherHase | _mat__: i had to remove kde-core and kdebase because of the dependencies you mentioned, but it seems they are only metapackages and can be removed without problems |
| 11:12.24 | CuteAlien | Hm, seems I messed up my system somewhat. I removed user hplip because it seemed strange to have that without having an hp printer. Now dpkg complains "unknown user `hplip' in statoverride file". Should I add the user again? Or is there some way to remove it from dpkg? I tried dpkg-statoverride - but it only has "add" for users and "remove" only seems to work for files. |
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| 11:12.35 | daredake | can anyone suggest any good wifi card, runing good and easily on debian? |
| 11:12.55 | maligor | atheros units are pretty decent |
| 11:12.58 | _mat__ | FalscherHase, now work? |
| 11:13.08 | nsadmin | perhaps a usb dongle |
| 11:13.29 | maligor | usb dongles tend to have abysmal radio's |
| 11:13.34 | maligor | or antennas rather |
| 11:13.36 | _mat__ | FalscherHase, CTRL + ALT + BACKSPACE to restart kde |
| 11:14.08 | maligor | daredake, what form? mini-pci(e)? pci(e)? |
| 11:14.20 | daredake | maligor, pci |
| 11:14.24 | FalscherHase | _mat__: i can't restart my current kde sessions. but i have switched user to a second account. kde came up and there were no xinerama problems. so i guess that worked |
| 11:15.03 | hit | Is there any other way to login as root? |
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| 11:15.14 | FalscherHase | _mat__: after downgrading you may want to echo kwin hold | dpkg --set-selections so kwin won't be automatically upgraded again |
| 11:15.53 | hit | I got go to have classes! |
| 11:15.59 | maligor | daredake, pci-e 1x not good? |
| 11:16.04 | hit | it is going to be late |
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| 11:16.10 | hit | ;-) |
| 11:16.13 | nsadmin | try su -c /bin/bash |
| 11:16.14 | daredake | maligor, videocard will collide |
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| 11:16.17 | hit | any way |
| 11:16.30 | hit | thank you,nsadmin |
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| 11:16.45 | _mat__ | uhm.... FalscherHase broaden the windows on one screen? |
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| 11:17.27 | brokenfix | i'm trying to leave fpt.debian.org blabla /sid in the sources.list.. but i don't want apt-get to get packages from there unless i tell him to with apt-get -t sid |
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| 11:18.04 | brokenfix | there's no preferences or apt.conf file on /etc/apt... only apt.conf.d/70debconf |
| 11:18.08 | FalscherHase | _mat__: yes, i've tried maximizing and it stayed on one screen as expected |
| 11:18.42 | _mat__ | I explain the procedure you followed? |
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| 11:19.02 | maligor | daredake, http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Compatibility has a list of atheros devices atleast |
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| 11:19.14 | daredake | maligor, thanks |
| 11:19.27 | maligor | you could get almost any device aside from Marvell tho |
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| 11:19.58 | maligor | but dunno about specific status of drivers like b43 in debian |
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| 11:21.47 | maligor | daredake, note that some manufacturers switch chipsets between revisions |
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| 11:28.32 | RichiH | a directory is drwxrwsr-x, once i mount the NFS share over it, it's drwxr-xr-x -- how can i set the setgid bit when mounting? |
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| 11:30.02 | cr3rzemjest | what are the contents of debian dvd 2,3,4,5? |
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| 11:31.04 | et | cr3rzemjest: debian packages ... you only need the dvds if your computer doesn't have an internet connection |
| 11:31.14 | cr3rzemjest | ok |
| 11:31.33 | maligor | it contains the debian repositories |
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| 11:33.27 | odinsbane | wow, sudo doesn't come stock. |
| 11:35.45 | OpenTokix | odinsbane: so? |
| 11:36.03 | OpenTokix | nor does less, sshd or bzip2 |
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| 11:41.49 | [pablo] | !tell |
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| 11:47.28 | aliumalik | anyone manage to get kde 4 running out of experimental? |
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| 11:48.33 | beer | yes I have |
| 11:49.06 | aliumalik | beer: does your kdm start? mine complains about a greeter plugin |
| 11:49.27 | beer | mine works wihtout problem |
| 11:49.43 | mafm | aliumalik: consolekit? |
| 11:49.48 | beer | installed it around 2 hours ago in virtual box |
| 11:49.50 | aliumalik | beer, I installed xserver-xorg and kdebase |
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| 11:50.30 | beer | I installed installed xorg and kde4-minimal from experimental |
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| 11:51.00 | beer | I think there is some extra package with kde4-minimal compared to kdebase |
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| 11:52.37 | beer | kde greeter plugin is that the theme for kde?? |
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| 11:54.23 | mafm | AFAIK it's a module presenting user list to the user, to help logging it |
| 11:54.36 | mafm | I had problems a while ago because consolekit was missing |
| 11:54.49 | k-man | i am trying to install the nvidia drivers the debian way, but when i get to modprobe nvidia, i get FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686-bigmem/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device any idea how to track down whats going wrong? |
| 11:54.57 | mafm | preventing some of those modules to work fine |
| 11:55.34 | aliumalik | beer, thanks that worked |
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| 11:56.21 | beer | aliumalik: np |
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| 11:58.12 | beer | aliumalik: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html <- for other nice kde4 packagef |
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| 11:58.48 | beer | I am using kdeplasma-addons, kdenetwork, kdegraphics and kdeartwork aswell |
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| 12:02.43 | Peanut | Can anyone please help me with making sure a Debian Etch machine -stays- debian etch? Now it says 252 packages were 'held back' when I want to do an apt-get ugprade. |
| 12:03.32 | liable | Peanut: for etch you need to have oldstable in your sources.list |
| 12:03.45 | luckylucy | my hosts file says i have a badly formed line. |
| 12:03.49 | Peanut | Oh, I can't just have 'etch' in my sources.list? |
| 12:03.56 | luckylucy | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 12:04.43 | liable | Peanut: etch should not give you any upgrades, but i'm not sure if it would let you install new programs |
| 12:04.49 | liable | !oldstable |
| 12:04.49 | dpkg | [oldstable] the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Etch (4.0) is now oldstable. Ask me about <oldstable security> and consider upgrading your boxes from oldstable to stable (ask me about <oldstable->stable>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 12:06.00 | Peanut | I would really like to not have to change all my machines sources.list from 'stable' to 'oldstable' by simply referring to the release by codename ('etch'), is that possible? |
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| 12:07.07 | beer | yes it is possible |
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| 12:07.33 | liable | hmm, are you sure? |
| 12:07.58 | Peanut | Currently I have 'APT::Default-Release "etch";' in my /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/release, and I have pinned everything to oldstable apart from puppet and puppetmaster (as pinning to codenames didn't seem to work) |
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| 12:09.05 | Peanut | My sources.list contains both entries for 'etch' and for 'lenny' (to get at the 'puppet' packages) |
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| 12:09.25 | liable | why aren't you upgrading to lenny? |
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| 12:09.49 | Peanut | liable: because we depend on some rather specific hardware for radio-astronomy, that does not yet have drivers for Lenny (is being worked on) |
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| 12:12.03 | Peanut | Anyway.. how would you set up a system to refer only to 'etch', but make it still able to find the 'lenny' packages for puppet, without trying to pull in all of lenny? |
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| 12:12.15 | zzz | i need to know if mono can run on debian lenny ? |
| 12:12.35 | zzz | bcz i need to serve aspx.net pages on apache |
| 12:13.20 | AcTiVaTe | zzz: apt-cache search mod_mono ? |
| 12:13.29 | zzz | ok |
| 12:13.48 | zzz | activate: 10x |
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| 12:16.06 | k-man | is there some way i can tell what cpu i have from the command line? |
| 12:16.50 | petemc | k-man: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:17.43 | k-man | which kernel image would work best with AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2600+ ? |
| 12:17.46 | k-man | thanks petemc |
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| 12:18.03 | OpenTokix | k-man: stock |
| 12:18.15 | k-man | OpenTokix: which one is stock? |
| 12:18.25 | GeekZen | k-man, # dmidecode, all information your cpu |
| 12:18.33 | OpenTokix | k-man: if you have less then 4G of ram, I would go with the 686 one |
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| 12:19.19 | Peanut | Ah.. I need to change the priority number in /etc/apt.d/preferences perhaps? |
| 12:19.45 | niklaslandsberg | Q: If I manually mount an usb drive during the Debian install. How can I make the installer aware of the drivers? |
| 12:19.54 | Peanut | That did the trick, it seems *phew* |
| 12:20.02 | k-man | OpenTokix: ok, thanks |
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| 12:20.42 | liable | niklaslandsberg: what driver and how is it packaged? |
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| 12:22.35 | niklaslandsberg | liable: Well basically the installation fails right after the language selection due to the install cannot mount the usb. To remedy this I jumped onto the console and manually mounted the usb drive into /media, but the installer is trying to mount the usb itself, which ofcourse fails, instead of using the already mounted drive |
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| 12:23.06 | niklaslandsberg | liable: so somehow I want the installer to use the mounted drive |
| 12:23.11 | mbroeker | i have a strange problem with Iceweasel-3.0.7-1 and egroupware: i cannot login using iceweasel ( Session cannot be verified...) but konqueror and still Internet Explorer via wine let me login w/o problems. |
| 12:24.02 | mbroeker | Can you confirm that Iceweasel-3.0.7-1 on squeeze cannot login into egroupware 1.6? aka my problem(misconfiguration) or a debian/iceweasel specific problem? |
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| 12:24.43 | liable | niklaslandsberg: it fails to mount the usb stick the actuall installer is on? |
| 12:25.07 | niklaslandsberg | pretty much yes |
| 12:26.00 | liable | niklaslandsberg: you have an iso on it? |
| 12:27.05 | niklaslandsberg | liable: I used unetbootin to place a netinstall |
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| 12:30.32 | liable | niklaslandsberg: i dont think you can do that with a netinst, but i dont know unetbootin |
| 12:30.34 | `Abo | hi, I am trying to: apt-get install bind9 bind9-doc dnsutils and I get: chgrp: cannot access `/etc/bind/named.conf*': No such file or directory during install |
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| 12:32.24 | `Abo | any idea? |
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| 12:39.14 | simonrvn | `Abo: the error is clear, it's not finding the file(s) |
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| 12:39.25 | `Abo | well shouldn't it create that file aswell? |
| 12:39.25 | `Abo | or? |
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| 12:39.45 | liable | did you delete it previously? |
| 12:40.48 | simonrvn | `Abo: it should already be there... if not ask the dpkg bot about confmiss (/msg dpkg confmiss) |
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| 12:40.48 | odinsbane | So I'm trying to get wireless card to work via cdrom and I'm getting killd by the package trail, is there a way I can get all of the packages I need withough internet access, or using internet access on another computer? |
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| 12:42.02 | liable | odinsbane: which wireless card? |
| 12:42.11 | odinsbane | atheros |
| 12:42.31 | odinsbane | I am trying to use the mad-wifi drivers as I have done for ubuntu releases. |
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| 12:43.05 | sveajobb | I'm going mental over here.. I've been looking for ages but cannot find what package contains glib.h |
| 12:43.06 | sveajobb | any clues ? |
| 12:43.11 | liable | ath5k is in 2.6.26 and anything not supported in that kernel is supported in the sid 2.6.29 which would be easier to install |
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| 12:43.48 | liable | sveajobb: /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:44.31 | odinsbane | sveajobb the .h files are usually in a -dev file |
| 12:44.35 | odinsbane | er package |
| 12:45.38 | sveajobb | liable, I've been searching like a maniac and also installed libglib2.0-dev and libglib1.2-dev |
| 12:46.12 | liable | !+find glib.h |
| 12:46.14 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 12:46.33 | CuteAlien | seems to be in libglib2.0-dev |
| 12:46.59 | odinsbane | liable I'm using 2.6.26, so any suggestions how I should go about finding my card? |
| 12:47.23 | sveajobb | CuteAlien, hmm. weird thanks well then I guess the compiler doesn't have the right includedir |
| 12:47.25 | liable | odinsbane: which chipset is it? |
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| 12:47.35 | CuteAlien | sveajobb, try: dpkg -S glib.h |
| 12:47.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'glib.h' (6 of 29): (/usr/include/oop-glib.h) in libdevel/liboop-dev ;; (/usr/include/jpeglib.h) in libdevel/libjpeg62-dev ;; (/usr/include/tnt/langlib.h) in libdevel/libtntnet-dev ;; (/usr/include/taglib/taglib.h) in libdevel/libtag1-dev ;; (/usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h) in libdevel/libglib2.0-dev ;; (/usr/include/postgresql/ecpglib.h) in libdevel/libecpg-dev. |
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| 12:48.59 | liable | odinsbane: anyway, this deb should sort you out, as long as you have a 686 kernel .. http://eeepc.debian.net/debian/pool/non-free/m/madwifi-eeepc-modules-2.6-686/madwifi-eeepc-modules-2.6-686_2.6.26-1_i386.deb |
| 12:49.07 | odinsbane | liable its there |
| 12:49.30 | odinsbane | liable: I was checking the eth0/ath0 names and it turned out to be named wlan0 |
| 12:49.51 | liable | right, thats ath5k naming convention |
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| 12:50.32 | ranix | ath5kand ath9k have free drivers now |
| 12:50.35 | ranix | !madwifi |
| 12:50.36 | dpkg | [madwifi] the old <non-free> driver for non-USB wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset. To install on Lenny or Etch, ask about <madwifi-install>. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath_pci , http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Support , #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian to resolve bug #519446; Squeeze users, ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k>. |
| 12:50.38 | odinsbane | how about wpa_supplicant, is there an alternative to that? |
| 12:50.53 | sveajobb | CuteAlien, Ahh thanks for that tip |
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| 12:51.46 | liable | odinsbane: you need wpasupplicant, but theres a few graphical tools now for wireless config. ie, network-manager, wicd, wifi-radar |
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| 12:57.29 | niklaslandsberg | the trouble was the media |
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| 12:58.15 | `Abo | ok I'm done with bind, I installed it but I get: ;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 127.0.0.1, trying next server |
| 12:58.21 | `Abo | when I try: nslookup 10.0.0.1 |
| 12:58.58 | `Abo | 1.0.0.10.in-addr.arpa.db is well configured as I got it from another machine and it works fine there |
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| 13:00.22 | macman_ | hey all .. i need to compress 177gigs to about 154gigs .. is this possible ? |
| 13:00.32 | niklaslandsberg | macman_: depends on the data |
| 13:00.47 | niklaslandsberg | macman_: some data is easier to compress, lots of patterns etc |
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| 13:01.18 | macman_ | niklaslandsberg, just regual pictures etc .. |
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| 13:03.37 | odinsbane | Awesome, the lights don't flash the way they used to but I am online. |
| 13:04.50 | odinsbane | macman_: are the pictures already compressed? I don't think you get much more compression, but if they are bmps then they compress pretty well. |
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| 13:05.36 | macman_ | ok |
| 13:05.40 | niklaslandsberg | I agree, but he said etc, so hopefully its not 177gb jpegs :) |
| 13:05.48 | vaq | macman_ or you could resize them |
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| 13:07.59 | alice|wl | hello, I have a problem with cron. It doesnt execute anything. I can see it in ps but none of my scripts in /etc/cron.daily or called in /etc/cron.d/* get executed |
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| 13:09.01 | alice|wl | debian is lenny/sid, says /etc/debian_version |
| 13:09.03 | abrotman | alice|wl: what are the script names? |
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| 13:09.13 | mkuhlm | Just installed Debian 5 and am wandering how I can enable the "Lock Screen" feature that has been under System > Lock Screen in gnome on other distros i've seen |
| 13:09.28 | alice|wl | abrotman: eg webalizer |
| 13:09.41 | abrotman | alice|wl: i meant the actual script name .. |
| 13:10.01 | PiousMinion1 | I have a laptop with no option for a cdrom or floppy and will not boot from usb. What are my options for installing debian on it? |
| 13:10.02 | abrotman | alice|wl: there are a few characters that will cause a script to not work |
| 13:10.14 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 13:10.15 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 13:10.35 | alice|wl | abrotman: or /etc/cron.hourly/cron-test |
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| 13:10.47 | alice|wl | which should log to syslog |
| 13:11.09 | abrotman | alice|wl: put a simple script in there like `#!/bin/sh\ntouch /tmp/foo` .. see if the file gets created next hour |
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| 13:11.39 | alice|wl | abrotman: yes tried that |
| 13:11.43 | abrotman | nada? |
| 13:11.48 | alice|wl | nada |
| 13:11.58 | abrotman | alice|wl: do you have cron/anacron installed ? |
| 13:12.04 | alice|wl | cron is installed |
| 13:12.20 | alice|wl | wasnt by default ... I used apt-get |
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| 13:13.00 | alice|wl | and its running: root 29104 0.0 0.3 2008 836 ? Ss 13:09 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron |
| 13:13.12 | abrotman | not even your logs are being rotated ? |
| 13:13.26 | alice|wl | no logrotat, no cron-apt |
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| 13:15.08 | alice|wl | is that related to the crontab command? I never used it and it says no crontab for root |
| 13:15.34 | abrotman | using crontab -e ? |
| 13:15.38 | alice|wl | crontab -l |
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| 13:15.49 | alice|wl | crontab -e opens editor on a pretty empty file |
| 13:16.21 | abrotman | which it sohuld for root usually |
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| 13:18.53 | abrotman | alice|wl: if you 'grep -i cron /var/log/syslg` .. anythign come back ? |
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| 13:19.48 | abrotman | alice|wl: or grep -i cron /var/log/auth.log |
| 13:19.54 | alice|wl | only cron-apt entries ... I execute that manualy from time to time |
| 13:20.09 | alice|wl | ah |
| 13:20.19 | alice|wl | quite some errors |
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| 13:20.45 | alice|wl | with pam |
| 13:21.01 | alice|wl | Apr 1 13:20:01 hqv2 CRON[29993]: pam_unix(cron:account): account root has expired (account expired) |
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| 13:21.34 | abrotman | that's a bit odd |
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| 13:22.04 | alice|wl | might be something ldap related ... I tried to install a ldap server but gave up ... long time ago. could match from point in time |
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| 13:22.42 | alice|wl | http://pastebin.com/m1a373c8a |
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| 13:22.59 | abrotman | looks like a samba error |
| 13:23.15 | alice|wl | what does it have todo with cron |
| 13:23.31 | pozic | What package do I need to install to get the GL library? I have an nvidia card, in case it matters. /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL |
| 13:23.40 | abrotman | it's trying to become the root user, which is somehow tied into some samba auth, which seems to be failing/missing |
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| 13:24.17 | abrotman | pozic: libgl1-mesa-dev IIRC |
| 13:25.47 | pozic | abrotman: I already have that one installed. Thanks, anyway. |
| 13:26.05 | abrotman | pozic: are you trying to compile something or run something? |
| 13:26.23 | pozic | abrotman: compile, yes |
| 13:26.35 | abrotman | libglu1-mesa-dev perhaps ? |
| 13:26.50 | abrotman | if you ahve an nvidia card, it may make it messy, i don't have one to verify |
| 13:27.14 | ranix | abrotman: I have a machine of each type and I don't recall a difference |
| 13:27.20 | ranix | abrotman: the dev libraries for gl are the same |
| 13:27.27 | pozic | abrotman: I also have that one. |
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| 13:27.41 | abrotman | i thought so too .. he's probably better off lookiung at the configure script to see exactly what it's looking for |
| 13:27.44 | ranix | pozic: whereis libGL |
| 13:28.01 | pozic | ranix: libGL: |
| 13:28.31 | ranix | pozic: lsls /usr/lib/ | grep GL |
| 13:28.40 | ranix | that should be too long to paste |
| 13:29.25 | pozic | ranix: libGL.so.180.11 and libGL.so.1 (and useless other stuff) |
| 13:29.36 | pozic | ranix: would a symbolic link do the trick? |
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| 13:30.00 | abrotman | your configure is looking for headers to compile |
| 13:30.40 | ranix | abrotman: are you sure the linker needs header files..? |
| 13:30.45 | ranix | I thought that was compiler |
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| 13:31.26 | abrotman | oh whoops .. misread :) |
| 13:31.31 | ranix | ;) |
| 13:31.53 | n3kl | Hi. I have a strange problem on my system. I can ping and resolve hostnames, but I am unable to ssh to thoes hostnames because of name resolution failure. I think it might be permissions somewhere or something that I have changed on accident but I don't know where. I have looked at hosts resolv.conf nsswitch. Any ideas what could cause this? |
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| 13:32.24 | ranix | abrotman: make a simlink "/usr/lib/libGL.so" that refers to /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 13:32.27 | ranix | ehr |
| 13:32.32 | ranix | s/abrotman/pozic/ |
| 13:32.33 | pozic | ranix, abrotman: I solved it by installing the dev files for the nvidia package. |
| 13:32.41 | abrotman | blames nvidia |
| 13:32.43 | ranix | ah that'll do |
| 13:32.46 | ranix | blasted nvidia |
| 13:32.53 | abrotman | see! |
| 13:33.07 | pozic | IMHO, the mesa package should have been detected otherwise. |
| 13:33.22 | abrotman | pozic: it wouldn't work with your nvidia drivers i don't think |
| 13:33.32 | pozic | abrotman: yes, it would use software rendering. |
| 13:33.37 | abrotman | eww |
| 13:33.46 | pozic | abrotman: but still it would "work". |
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| 13:33.57 | ranix | libGL.so is just a simlink after all, pozic |
| 13:34.04 | macman_ | can somone give me an example of using lzma to compress a folder ? |
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| 13:34.58 | ranix | maybe the mesa simlink was removed to prevent accidental software rendering |
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| 13:38.30 | tsolox | why is debian so unfreindly to install? i always have difficulty doing startx... |
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| 13:38.54 | abrotman | tsolox: how do you install Xorg ? |
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| 13:39.29 | abrotman | okay then .. don't wait for help |
| 13:41.22 | ranix | abrotman: it's unfriendly! |
| 13:41.34 | abrotman | yeah .. i got that part |
| 13:41.38 | ranix | it didn't take my hand and walk by my side through the valley of the shadow of death |
| 13:41.53 | kamp2tux | some iso file can b just double-click and i can see all the files/folders in the iso file, but some iso generated is from ISO-13346 "UDF" format CD-ROM, how can i read content for this type of iso file ? please advise. TQ |
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| 13:44.59 | focus | does any one here have a proper xorg.conf file with a bamboo pad properly setup on it |
| 13:45.33 | ranix | kamp2tux: mount -t udf |
| 13:46.18 | ranix | it would be nice if man mount had an occurrence of "13346" in it, that would have made that a lot easier to find >:( |
| 13:46.47 | ranix | considering 9660 is all over it |
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| 13:48.21 | odinsbane | I've found the package I want but I know it is in a repository...I don't knwo which one though. |
| 13:48.34 | odinsbane | er I would like to add the repo to my sources. |
| 13:48.41 | hit | after i change my shell from bash to sh,i cant login as root,who can help me? |
| 13:48.45 | odinsbane | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libapache2-mod-wsgi |
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| 13:50.02 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 13:50.04 | bbelt16ag | i am having problems with my suspend and hibernate in lenny 5.0 |
| 13:50.06 | bbelt16ag | any help out there? |
| 13:50.31 | bbelt16ag | i had a perfectly working script in ubuntu now it just tries to suspend and then comes back to on, in like 3 seconds.. |
| 13:50.39 | bbelt16ag | pastebining my script |
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| 13:51.43 | bbelt16ag | http://pastebin.ca/1378917 |
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| 13:51.56 | bbelt16ag | any ideas? |
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| 13:54.33 | ranix | !tell bbelt16ag -about ubuntu |
| 13:55.00 | ranix | oh, whoops |
| 13:55.05 | ranix | jumped the gun |
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| 13:55.41 | _kettle_ | PiousMinion: Put the HD in another computer, instsall Debian, and move the HD back |
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| 13:57.19 | macman_ | whats the best compression method bzip2 tar zip 7z lzma ? |
| 13:57.45 | _kettle_ | macman_: what's your definition of "best"? Smaller? Faster? Available on other systems? |
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| 13:58.27 | bbelt16ag | unhuh it seemd to worked when i over wrote the configs will check out in a sec anybody ever heard of a dailer virus that uses the lan? my roomamte's pc is dialing w/o a phone line i get all the sounds likes it connecting any ideas?? |
| 13:58.33 | bbelt16ag | i am thinking a virus |
| 13:58.53 | macman_ | best compression _kettle_ what will compress larger files the best |
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| 14:00.21 | _kettle_ | macman_: depends on the file, but bzip2 is pretty good |
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| 14:01.04 | wintix | is it possible to load the nvidia _and_ the nvidia-legacy module? |
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| 14:01.39 | _kettle_ | macman_: compare size of kernel source tree here: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
| 14:02.09 | _kettle_ | macman_: example: .gz is 69M, .bz2 is 54M |
| 14:02.32 | wintix | i have a relatively new and a relatively old nvidia card in my box and would like to set up triple head - however the normal nvidia-kernel- thingie only detects the pci express card and the nvidia-legacy module only detects the legacy card.. |
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| 14:02.49 | wintix | any ideas or hints? |
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| 14:04.24 | alice|wl | abrotman: ah, this is an ubuntu and the root account is disabled and expired. the smb errors are probably not directly related. I ll trie usermod |
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| 14:04.29 | stew | devhell_: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
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| 14:05.17 | alice|wl | usermod -e 2019-01-01 root did fix it |
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| 14:06.46 | abrotman | alice|wl: please go to #ubuntu for support |
| 14:08.47 | alice|wl | abrotman: I am, they didnt help also but its solved. just wanted to post how I solved it |
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| 14:09.37 | wamty | im using debian 5, i need to know which parameter a module is loaded with as default |
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| 14:10.56 | wamty | anyone? |
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| 14:11.08 | stew | wamty: look for the module name in /etc/modprobe.d/ if you don't find it there, it is not loaded with any parameters |
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| 14:13.11 | wamty | stew: its a module already loaded, so i kind of need to get default parameters, so see if i should change them |
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| 14:13.58 | stew | wamty: try /sbin/modinfo modulename |
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| 14:14.00 | wamty | maybe dmesg to see what, if anything, the module did when loaded ? |
| 14:14.04 | wamty | what do you suggest? |
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| 14:16.45 | wamty | stew: if /etc/modprobe* doesnt show specific options set for the modules in questoin, its a pretty safe bet the defaults are being used ? |
| 14:16.55 | stew | wamty: yes |
| 14:17.04 | stew | wamty: you can also check somwhwere in /sys |
| 14:17.30 | stew | wamty: /sys/module/modulename/paramaters |
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| 14:18.11 | stew | dpkg: no kernel compile is <reply> To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage ; it used to be recommended to use <make-kpkg> but this is deprecated with newer kernels. (see <kp> <kp mantra>) |
| 14:18.11 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 14:19.31 | wamty | stew: let me check |
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| 14:20.02 | wamty | stew: there is nothing called parameters there |
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| 14:21.52 | wamty | stew: there is nothing called parameters there |
| 14:22.15 | stew | wamty: ok |
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| 14:23.23 | wamty | is it normal stew? |
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| 14:23.28 | wamty | or where should I look please sir |
| 14:23.39 | wamty | there's nothing called 'parameters' in /sys |
| 14:23.47 | abrotman | wamty: /sys/module/<modulename>/parameters/ ... if it had any used |
| 14:24.09 | stew | wamty: i dont' know |
| 14:24.15 | stew | wamty: you know as much as I do now |
| 14:24.22 | wamty | <stew> wamty: /sys/module/modulename/paramaters |
| 14:24.23 | abrotman | not every module has that directory under it |
| 14:24.27 | wamty | abrotman: yes that's what stew said |
| 14:24.44 | stew | wamty: when I look there some modules have a parameters directory |
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| 14:28.17 | wamty | ay suggestions? :( |
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| 14:29.04 | abrotman | wamty: i just said, not all modules have that directory... it won't exist if no parameters were used or no parameters are available .. AFAIK anyways |
| 14:29.15 | abrotman | wamty: which module is this? |
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| 14:33.12 | wamty | abrotman: forcedeth |
| 14:33.19 | wamty | nvidia network driver |
| 14:33.59 | abrotman | wamty: and /sys/module/forcedeth/parameters/ doesn't exits ? |
| 14:34.09 | abrotman | exist |
| 14:35.12 | wamty | ls /sys/module/forcedeth/ |
| 14:35.18 | wamty | drivers holders initstate notes refcnt sections |
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| 14:37.27 | wamty | so? |
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| 14:38.55 | Lectus | Hey guys! If I have all Debian DVDs does it mean I can install any package from the official repos without the need of internet connection? |
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| 14:39.54 | wamty | abrotman ? |
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| 14:40.53 | MattJ | Is there a way to install .deb files and dependencies in a shell? |
| 14:41.05 | macman_ | http://pastebin.com/m4b4c92e2 < -- these are the compression methods i tried but they are all the same |
| 14:41.08 | stew | Lectus: yes, that's the idea behind them |
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| 14:41.57 | wamty | stew, abrotman: thats what I get |
| 14:42.00 | wamty | ls /sys/module/forcedeth/ |
| 14:42.02 | wamty | drivers holders initstate notes refcnt sections |
| 14:42.09 | stew | wamty: ok |
| 14:42.23 | macman_ | grml = directory .. everything else is the compression i tried to use |
| 14:42.42 | stew | wamty: if you don't find what you are looking for there, and not in "/sbin/modinfo forcedeth" then you'll have to look at the source, i guess |
| 14:43.02 | OpenTokix | macman_: Are you bored? |
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| 14:43.26 | Theoden | When I boot up lenny - beagle just runs continuously - using up most of my memory and slowing system response to a crawl. Anyone else have this problem? |
| 14:43.27 | OpenTokix | macman_: Why did you try gzip twice? |
| 14:43.34 | aryah | hi! any ideas what this error means? |
| 14:43.36 | aryah | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/_root_packages_Packages |
| 14:43.36 | aryah | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 14:44.22 | aryah | also says |
| 14:44.23 | aryah | E: Problem parsing dependency Depends |
| 14:44.23 | aryah | E: Error occurred while processing rxvt-unicode (NewVersion1) |
| 14:44.26 | macman_ | grml = an iso |
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| 14:45.04 | aryah | thats a package in my local repository, a patched rxvt-unicode so it works better with hinted layout of xmonad.. |
| 14:45.25 | aryah | build with checkinstall |
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| 14:45.50 | _Brandon_ | hi, if I try to launch gnome-keyring-daemon it gives me this error(I'm not running gnome) ** Message: couldn't set environment variable in session: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files |
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| 14:46.16 | wamty | hey whats the command to "index" ther bin-path after apt-get install so that I can run the app without logging off ? thanks |
| 14:47.20 | wamty | so? |
| 14:47.25 | dusted | so what? |
| 14:47.32 | wamty | whats the command to "index" ther bin-path after apt-get install so that I can run the app without logging off ? thanks |
| 14:47.33 | Theoden | ANyone?? |
| 14:47.36 | _Brandon_ | wamty: you don't need to run anything |
| 14:47.39 | dusted | PATH= if the app you installed is in a path that's not in $PATH |
| 14:47.44 | dusted | assuming that's what you ment |
| 14:47.48 | dusted | *meant |
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| 14:49.08 | Theoden | When I boot up lenny - beagle just runs continuously - using up most of my memory and slowing system response to a crawl. Anyone else have this problem? |
| 14:49.34 | Theoden | ANyway to stop this behavior? |
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| 14:49.48 | zsasz | hey guys i was wondering is there is a command line torrent client for debian? |
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| 14:50.03 | dusted | zsasz, how many searches did you try with apt-cache search?? |
| 14:50.03 | hark | wamty: hash -r |
| 14:50.04 | spook00 | zsasz: rtorrent |
| 14:50.11 | hark | zsasz: rtorrent |
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| 14:50.35 | zsasz | well i dont use debian.. my brother wanted to know so i jus took a chance to ask here |
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| 14:50.54 | zsasz | will try that then thanx |
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| 14:52.47 | Theoden | :-/ |
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| 14:56.10 | amine | Hello |
| 14:56.16 | Theoden | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.20 | Theoden | When I boot up lenny - beagle just runs continuously - using up most of my memory and slowing system response to a crawl. Anyone else have this problem? |
| 14:56.21 | Theoden | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:56.43 | maligor | don't use beagle |
| 14:56.51 | MattJ | :) |
| 14:56.51 | amine | How to set an interface connected to two vlans on a trunk port? |
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| 14:57.24 | maligor | Theoden, haven't really seen a effect quite that bad tho |
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| 14:57.45 | maligor | usually it just causes slight performance issue due to the io it does (or did last time when I tried it) |
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| 14:59.10 | MattJ | Is there a way to install .deb files and dependencies in a shell? |
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| 14:59.33 | maligor | Theoden, if you need desktop indexing you could try trackerd |
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| 14:59.54 | maligor | MattJ, heh, what sort of a question is that? :P |
| 14:59.55 | Theoden | maligor: Well lenny installed it by default - and if I try to remove beagle - it wants to remove half my system! |
| 14:59.55 | MattJ | I usually use dpkg -i file.deb && apt-get -f install, but in this case it simply removes the package I just installed, instead of grabbing the dependencies |
| 15:00.39 | Theoden | maligor: I don't need it - but how do I get rid of it |
| 15:00.41 | Theoden | ? |
| 15:00.46 | maligor | Theoden, you can disable it in Sessions in preferences |
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| 15:01.04 | Theoden | But I have to leave it in anyway, eh? |
| 15:01.05 | maligor | didn't know it was installed by default |
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| 15:01.14 | maligor | no, you can remove it too |
| 15:01.26 | Theoden | What the hell were the devs tinking with all those damned dependencies. |
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| 15:01.56 | Theoden | If I try to remove beagle - it wants to remove half my system! |
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| 15:02.20 | maligor | gnome-desktop-environment doesn't seem to have beagle deps |
| 15:02.28 | maligor | not on sid anyway |
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| 15:02.54 | Eulex | Theoden, can you show us the output? |
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| 15:02.59 | Theoden | maligor: It wants to remove 50 pkgs here. |
| 15:03.08 | Theoden | Eulex: Of what? |
| 15:03.13 | maligor | Theoden, check apt-cache rdepends beagle |
| 15:03.14 | Eulex | of the command you're running |
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| 15:03.37 | |bbinotto| | hi, how can stop clamscan and clamd immediatly? |
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| 15:04.05 | dusted | kill them |
| 15:04.25 | |bbinotto| | dusted: clamscan pops up with a new PID then |
| 15:04.34 | maligor | stop the services? |
| 15:06.20 | Theoden | maligor / Eulex: http://pastebin.com/m73cfc002 |
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| 15:07.04 | maligor | Theoden, oh, that's just Mono |
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| 15:07.11 | maligor | Theoden, it's removing unused libraries |
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| 15:07.47 | maligor | that's not half your system :P |
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| 15:07.59 | Theoden | maligor: Sure looks it. :) |
| 15:08.14 | Theoden | maligor: So that means nothing else uses mono here? |
| 15:08.38 | maligor | yep |
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| 15:08.52 | maligor | probably the two other big desktop apps using mono are f-spot and banshee |
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| 15:09.13 | Boter | hey |
| 15:09.19 | Boter | i have problem with grub |
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| 15:09.27 | Boter | i recently updated on 2.6, added to menu.lst but when i boot, there is no 2.6, only old 2.4 kernel |
| 15:09.38 | Theoden | maligor: SO I can safely dump the lot? (I hate mono anyway). |
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| 15:09.55 | maligor | Theoden, yep, but there's nothing much wrong with mono ;P |
| 15:10.13 | Theoden | maligor: Well - that's another (political) issue. :) |
| 15:10.16 | maligor | banshee is the best media player around |
| 15:10.25 | Theoden | maligor: I prefer exaile |
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| 15:10.48 | Theoden | maligor: Thx. :) |
| 15:10.49 | maligor | similar concept I guess |
| 15:11.01 | maligor | except it uses python which is even slower than mono :) |
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| 15:12.55 | MattJ | wonders why APT/dpkg are so crippled in this area :/ |
| 15:13.32 | petemc | MattJ: what area? |
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| 15:13.36 | hark | MattJ: in what area? |
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| 15:13.52 | MattJ | petemc: Installing a deb file, and also installing the dependencies |
| 15:13.57 | petemc | MattJ: you need to use aptitude -f install |
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| 15:14.05 | MattJ | It removes the package I just installed :/ |
| 15:14.24 | petemc | MattJ: have you written a packaging system to isnt crippled? |
| 15:14.29 | petemc | s/to/that/ |
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| 15:14.55 | MattJ | petemc: Well I wrote one that at least handled this :) |
| 15:15.02 | hark | MattJ: probably because it wasn't able to satisfy the dependencies |
| 15:15.09 | stepomaticc | hi, how can i see with what options a kernel module as been loaded |
| 15:15.14 | MattJ | Then I wish it would say why |
| 15:15.27 | hark | MattJ: there's also gdebi |
| 15:15.31 | petemc | MattJ: are you using aptitude or apt-get ? |
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| 15:15.40 | MattJ | petemc: Both give the same behaviour |
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| 15:15.58 | MattJ | hark: Yes, that's *perfect*, when you have a GUI |
| 15:16.06 | Kretuli | hey, can someone tell me how to change directory? |
| 15:16.19 | dusted | Kretuli, cd |
| 15:16.19 | MattJ | Kretuli: cd directory ? |
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| 15:16.23 | Kretuli | thats it:D |
| 15:16.25 | Kretuli | cheers:D |
| 15:16.51 | hark | MattJ: it has a cli version too |
| 15:17.16 | MattJ | Hmm |
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| 15:17.26 | petemc | MattJ: aptitude should be able to handle it, where did you get the deb you're installing? |
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| 15:17.59 | MattJ | petemc: It's my own, freshly built |
| 15:18.08 | petemc | most likely thats the problem then |
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| 15:18.18 | petemc | perhaps you should make less crippled packages |
| 15:18.28 | babybluesman | Hi everyone. I'm looking for a laptop. PC, Lightweight, Non-Glossy between 500-1000 bones. Similar maybe to a Think Pad. Any suggestions? |
| 15:18.36 | MattJ | petemc: Heh, thanks for the constructive input :) |
| 15:18.42 | petemc | no bother :) |
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| 15:19.25 | enouf | prince_jammys: cool beans |
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| 15:20.46 | ranix | !beans |
| 15:20.46 | dpkg | i guess beans is Beans! Beans! They're good for your heart! The more you eat em, the more you ... uh ... never mind |
| 15:20.59 | prince_jammys | enouf: took a long ass time - part of it me figuring stuff out, the other having to do with some bugs |
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| 15:21.40 | prince_jammys | enouf: i feel heroic. went from an etch netinstall cd to a squeeze with all my apps configured. woot |
| 15:21.51 | prince_jammys | it only took about 10 hours :) |
| 15:22.34 | prince_jammys | thanks for the help |
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| 15:24.00 | enouf | np |
| 15:25.30 | Kretuli | why do I get "unkown id" when i try to run the eggdrop configure file with "./configure"? |
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| 15:32.50 | Kretuli | why do I get "unkown id" when i try to run the eggdrop configure file with "./configure"? |
| 15:32.54 | macman_ | i took a 71m file and did .bz2 71msorry to be annoying .. i have a 177gig folder .. if i rar it and split the rar files and then bzip2 it or lzma it will it compress further ? |
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| 15:34.13 | ranix | macman_: generally that's not worth doing, and can even make your file bigger |
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| 15:34.45 | gangsterlicious | i do not get why "mdadm --create /dev/md3 --level=5 --raid-devices=4 /dev/hdb3 /dev/hdc3 /dev/hdg3 /dev/hde3" kept putting the last drive into spare mode? |
| 15:34.55 | gangsterlicious | hence, i cannot use the array |
| 15:35.03 | gangsterlicious | i dont see this with other distros? |
| 15:35.41 | gangsterlicious | please help |
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| 15:37.36 | Kretuli | why do I get "unkown id" when i try to run the eggdrop configure file with "./configure"? |
| 15:37.37 | enouf | gangsterlicious: just a guess - last disk needs it's superblock zeroed? (careful! -- read /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* - see /etc/default/mdadm) |
| 15:38.08 | gangsterlicious | ah, let me try that. thanks |
| 15:38.19 | enouf | Kretuli: you're asking a bit too often and not offering any further info == 2 strikes |
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| 15:40.18 | Kretuli | can someone tell me what unkown id means and what i can do to overcome the problem and run my configure file? |
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| 15:40.58 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps i need to shut down my headless server. er suspend or hibernate would do well i think. since this server only gets used by me. i would like it to suspend after a period of time after i go to bed. any ideas on a app that could do this |
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| 15:41.29 | gangsterlicious | enouf: it didn't work. but when i removed the hot-spare and re-added back into array it works. it's rebuilding now. thanks |
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| 15:41.49 | gangsterlicious | [>....................] recovery = 0.2% (823880/284101376) finish=193.3min speed=24412K/sec :) |
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| 15:42.08 | miniBill | I can't apt-get flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 15:42.51 | ranix | gangsterlicious: mdadm has done some weird things with me in Testing |
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| 15:43.19 | ranix | gangsterlicious: reporting any trouble is worth the time, it's a rather complex utility |
| 15:43.30 | miniBill | Impossibile trovare una versione candidata di flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:43.35 | gangsterlicious | ranix: right, i agree |
| 15:43.36 | miniBill | that's error message |
| 15:43.47 | ranix | filing a bug report against the Debian package should be enough to get it looked at |
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| 15:44.12 | ranix | I don't know enough about drive additions to say much though |
| 15:44.22 | miniBill | anyone? |
| 15:44.30 | miniBill | it should be pretty trivial :| |
| 15:44.37 | stew | miniBill: what version of debian are your running? |
| 15:44.42 | Roconda | hi, when adding a new user I get error code 10. The groupfile could not be opened either. Have never touched the adduser.conf. pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/1375899 Permissions are right too. |
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| 15:44.45 | miniBill | stew: lenny |
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| 15:45.06 | JoshH | holy crap, jessica biel snapped nude at the beach! http://www.picturestash.com/images/zdn1knpic27h6hyjyr7.jpg |
| 15:45.06 | stew | miniBill: yes, it was removed from lenny a long time ago, you can get it from the contrib section of backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 15:45.09 | ranix | Roconda: is anything amiss with /etc/skel ? |
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| 15:46.19 | enouf | gangsterlicious: i agree with ranix - if you can please check if there's a bug report about it already, and if not, file one - thank you |
| 15:46.27 | Roconda | ranix: bash_logout, bashrc and profile are in it |
| 15:46.28 | rackerhacker | strange LVM issue when making a snapshot: http://pastie.org/433899 |
| 15:46.32 | rackerhacker | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 15:47.00 | Tonny_Nerd | Hi, people |
| 15:47.20 | Tonny_Nerd | i need help with a configuration problem |
| 15:47.24 | ranix | Roconda: nothing wrong there. Permissions look like rw-r--r--? |
| 15:47.40 | ranix | not that that would cause problems even if they were mangled |
| 15:47.40 | Roconda | ranix: yes, all of them |
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| 15:47.54 | ranix | Roconda: is your /home/ partition full by any chance? |
| 15:47.58 | enouf | gangsterlicious: but you did --remove --re-add(?) after zeroing it's superblock? so you don't know if that (remove/re-add) by itself would've worked? i understand though |
| 15:48.21 | Roconda | ranix: 22G available |
| 15:48.38 | ranix | Roconda: yeah the 'simple stupid' approach doesn't seem to be able to assist you |
| 15:48.43 | enouf | gangsterlicious: remember, prior to --remove, you should use --failed to mark the drive as failed prior - IIRC |
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| 15:49.11 | gangsterlicious | those partitions are new. so i zero out them all. |
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| 15:49.26 | Roconda | ranix: haha, indeed. Havn't thought about the skel |
| 15:49.30 | gangsterlicious | it was already set to fail by default |
| 15:49.33 | humbolt | when using xm shell, how do I exit this xen shell again? |
| 15:49.35 | gangsterlicious | so i just --remove it |
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| 15:49.58 | enouf | huh? |
| 15:50.00 | ranix | Roconda: I got similar files once when a guy for some reason put a 10g iso in /etc/skel |
| 15:50.05 | ranix | similar problem |
| 15:50.06 | ranix | s |
| 15:50.16 | enouf | how could it be a hot spare when marked as --failed ? |
| 15:50.29 | Tonny_Nerd | i have a pendrive, and when it is pluged, debian mount it with noexec option. How i can change this behavior? I using debian 4 (yes it is old version, but i don't have internet) e kde. |
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| 15:50.37 | Tonny_Nerd | Someone can help me? |
| 15:50.40 | Roconda | ranix: lol |
| 15:50.58 | gangsterlicious | ranix: oh, i'm sorry. you are right. it was an active spare |
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| 15:51.04 | xingu | ranix: that is pretty funny. |
| 15:51.08 | enouf | Tonny_Nerd: what FSType? check your /etc/fstab entries for it, under mount options, if one exists |
| 15:51.12 | anoHito | i have a question please |
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| 15:51.30 | anoHito | Debian gnu/linux ,or, Debian gnu linux, which one is correct in english ? |
| 15:51.34 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: the pendrive is in FAT32 |
| 15:51.35 | ranix | xingu: yeah april fool's right |
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| 15:51.37 | ranix | lol |
| 15:51.41 | ranix | that would be a decent one |
| 15:51.51 | anoHito | how come there is a '/' mark even in the official site |
| 15:51.53 | anoHito | :( |
| 15:52.08 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: and fstab is not the question, 'cause it is mount automatically |
| 15:52.24 | enouf | Tonny_Nerd: automounts how? |
| 15:52.28 | enouf | gnome? |
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| 15:52.42 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: no, KDE |
| 15:52.43 | enouf | and yes, fstab can also play the role |
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| 15:52.49 | Roconda | ranix: it's an annoying problem .. not that it's a production server .. but still |
| 15:52.51 | Tonny_Nerd | and no automount too |
| 15:53.05 | anoHito | :( |
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| 15:53.27 | leeguy92 | why is miniBill banned? |
| 15:53.31 | leeguy92 | he asked me to ask you |
| 15:53.40 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: yes, i know this, but with fstab, the pendrive do not will mount automatically |
| 15:53.56 | enouf | Tonny_Nerd: cat /proc/filesystems ; cat /etc/fstab ; blkid ; ls -l /dev/disk/by-* <--pastebin |
| 15:54.01 | idimmu | im using reprepro to maintain a deb repository, and i added a package to it, but it's indexed in Packages.new but not Packages, and is uninstallable, does anyone know what the point of Packages.new is and how I can resolve that? is it a case of using the cp command? ;) |
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| 15:54.26 | gangsterlicious | that's weird. so i have a scsi jbod with 4 73gbs.... created another array md3 and encountered the same thing. sets last drive to spare and couldn't start the array for build |
| 15:54.27 | enouf | !automount |
| 15:54.28 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount>, or <halevt> |
| 15:54.33 | enouf | !kde automount |
| 15:54.33 | dpkg | To automatically mount optical disks and USB keys under KDE, install kdebase-kio-plugins and add the needed users to the plugdev group. You will have to log out and back in before it works. |
| 15:54.35 | gangsterlicious | remove the spare and added back works |
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| 15:54.54 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: unfortunately, i am not in my PC now |
| 15:54.55 | enouf | Tonny_Nerd: is your user in the plugdev group? |
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| 15:55.28 | enouf | Tonny_Nerd: listen - for vfat/fat32, i make my username the owner of the /mnt/point |
| 15:55.28 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: yes |
| 15:56.06 | enouf | i don't use hotplug usb key thing though - these are internal IDE partitions |
| 15:56.38 | ranix | I use XFCE for usb hotplug |
| 15:56.40 | ranix | kind of |
| 15:56.50 | ranix | it's kind of... unreliable |
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| 15:57.17 | ranix | like it may only actually MOUNT the drive when the icon on the desktop is clicked |
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| 15:57.25 | ranix | so I occasionally just manually mount |
| 15:57.30 | enouf | Tonny_Nerd: here's my fstab entry; /dev/hdc1 /mnt/p1 vfat rw,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
| 15:58.11 | enouf | Tonny_Nerd: man mount, see {u,f,d}mask options, and other options listed |
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| 15:58.54 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: with internal partitions i don't have any problem. But, the pendrive, that is mounted automatically by KDE, is mounted with the noexec option, and i want change this |
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| 15:59.01 | enouf | Tonny_Nerd: otherwise - play in k control center for correct automount params - i never let anything automount |
| 15:59.12 | Tonny_Nerd | when i plug my pendrive, a line in mtab is created |
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| 15:59.49 | mizan | hi cali |
| 15:59.51 | enouf | it's udev/hal/dbus/dcop related |
| 16:00.07 | enouf | have fun ;-) |
| 16:00.16 | ajavid | enouf, I'm going to louisiana for good in less than a week |
| 16:00.17 | ajavid | !!! |
| 16:00.18 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 16:00.21 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: its is a address or a list off things? |
| 16:00.22 | ajavid | dpkg, stfu |
| 16:00.22 | dpkg | it has been said that stfu is Shut The Fuck Up |
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| 16:00.53 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: i tried chenge a .rules file in a diretory in /etc |
| 16:00.59 | Tonny_Nerd | but it don't work |
| 16:01.00 | enouf | make sure /dev/disk/by-* doesn't contain broken symlinks pointing to wrong /dev/* with perhaps wrong UUIDs or LABELs even |
| 16:01.15 | enouf | chack also - and maybe move /etc/blkid.tab out of the way |
| 16:01.40 | enouf | ajavid: ok bye |
| 16:01.42 | enouf | :-P |
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| 16:02.28 | Tonny_Nerd | i will check this, but if it were happening the pendrive not work, right? and its work, but with the noexec option |
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| 16:03.00 | enouf | Tonny_Nerd: stop - don't mess with .rules unless you know what you're doing - it needs to be done correctly ;-) |
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| 16:03.56 | enouf | and i told you - if a fstab entry exists, look there for wrong mount options - and check owner of /mnt/point |
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| 16:04.04 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: i just changed the permissions of usb disks to 0777 |
| 16:04.11 | enouf | no |
| 16:04.21 | enouf | and i asked you to pastebin info |
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| 16:04.50 | enouf | chmod 0777 is for dirs! and vfat has no concept of unix perms |
| 16:04.54 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: unfortunately, i am not in my PC now |
| 16:05.05 | enouf | well - get there - then ask |
| 16:05.17 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: i do not run a chmod, i changed it in a .rules file |
| 16:05.24 | enouf | ... |
| 16:05.30 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: right |
| 16:05.30 | enouf | Tonny_Nerd: i give up man ... |
| 16:05.32 | simonrvn | why do people think making it write and exec everybody in the universe it going to help? |
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| 16:06.19 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: i willtry your sugestions, and and try to throw some light on this |
| 16:06.25 | enouf | simonrvn: the NSA and Redmond has trained them to think that way ;-) |
| 16:06.27 | Tonny_Nerd | thanks |
| 16:06.33 | Tonny_Nerd | bye |
| 16:06.39 | enouf | ok |
| 16:06.40 | simonrvn | mostly the latter |
| 16:06.46 | enouf | indeed |
| 16:06.52 | simonrvn | good luck, and good reading |
| 16:07.35 | enouf | Tonny_Nerd: remember, i said chown, not chmod |
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| 16:08.04 | enouf | Tonny_Nerd: that's where the uid=xxxx,gid=xxxx come into play in my fstab line |
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| 16:08.13 | WormFood | why does the lenny installer identify my network card, when I install in graphical mode, but does not identify it, and ask for drivers on external media, when installing in expert text mode (I didn't try other combinations) |
| 16:08.52 | RichiH | WormFood: i'd say the expert mode is at fault |
| 16:09.00 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: i don't have a problem with permissions. well, in the truth i have, but is just execution permission |
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| 16:09.03 | stew | WormFood: there shouldn't be any difference, if there is, file a bug |
| 16:09.04 | enouf | WormFood: odd .. or .. you didn't select correct module to load? |
| 16:09.04 | RichiH | as i know that the gfx and the normal text one are the same |
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| 16:09.22 | WormFood | I didn't get to select any modules to load |
| 16:09.33 | Tonny_Nerd | when i rua a mount without arguments, it show that the pendrive is mounted with noexec option |
| 16:09.34 | enouf | Tonny_Nerd: stop! with "permissions"! forget about permissions and vfat please! |
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| 16:09.37 | Tonny_Nerd | *run |
| 16:09.42 | WormFood | I would have to play around with it a bit, before I file a bug...maybe it was just a glitch |
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| 16:09.47 | stew | WormFood: i mean there shouldn't be any difference between graphical and text mode, there will of course be major differences between expert and not |
| 16:09.49 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: right |
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| 16:10.11 | WormFood | yeah...well, I didn't expect the expert mode to not find it, and the normal mode to find it |
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| 16:10.13 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: but what i changed, so? |
| 16:10.36 | enouf | Tonny_Nerd: i can't help further without that info i asked for |
| 16:10.46 | WormFood | I just hope I don't have any problems booting, because I don't want to repartition everything |
| 16:10.52 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: alright, i understand |
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| 16:11.00 | WormFood | is there any tool, that will swap the partition order, without manually doing it? |
| 16:11.09 | enouf | what? |
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| 16:11.27 | Tonny_Nerd | enouf: what what? |
| 16:11.52 | WormFood | my partitions are not in disk order...they are in this order 1,2,3,4(ext),6,5, and I want them to be 1,2,3,4,5,6 |
| 16:11.54 | jidar | when trying to build a package from source it wanted pkg-config, so I installed it and now it claims not to be able to find openssl. Any ideas on how to resolve this? |
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| 16:12.05 | jidar | (openssl is installed) |
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| 16:12.15 | petemc | jidar: when building stuff, you generally need package-dev |
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| 16:12.29 | Tonny_Nerd | well, time to lunch |
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| 16:12.41 | jidar | petemc: openssl doesn't have a -dev package? |
| 16:12.45 | petemc | libssl-dev |
| 16:12.46 | enouf | WormFood: expert mode always asks many more questions (much more user interaction, debconf is set to a much -phigh , or is it -plow, whichever asks more!) ;-) |
| 16:12.58 | Helion | Hi there, i want to install wifi support on my debian system, any advices or suggestions where should i look first? |
| 16:13.07 | jidar | ah, look at you. Let me try that petemc |
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| 16:13.24 | WormFood | I know expert mode asks more questions....that is why I wanted it...I want more control over what is going on....but I didn't expect it to ask me for the network drivers |
| 16:13.41 | enouf | WormFood: well now you know |
| 16:13.41 | martianlobster | what is the point of putting #!/bin/bash at the beginning of a bash script? |
| 16:13.48 | WormFood | enouf, it is a bug |
| 16:13.50 | petemc | you want your cake _and_ you want to eat it |
| 16:13.52 | enouf | martianlobster: google shebang |
| 16:13.59 | wedge | martianlobster: interpretter of the script |
| 16:14.00 | Vonoff | i wonder if there's any package for the pwc driver for lenny. i couldn't find any in aptitude and checking /boot/config* says the option for the pwc driver is not set |
| 16:14.00 | enouf | WormFood: good, squash it |
| 16:14.04 | Vonoff | am on sparc though |
| 16:14.06 | stew | martianlobster: to tell the kernel to run this script using bash if it is executed |
| 16:14.27 | Vonoff | and i'd prefer not to build my own kernel |
| 16:14.41 | enouf | martianlobster: perl and python also use similar, IINM |
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| 16:15.33 | martianlobster | but the kernel already runs script files as bash files. So is this redundant? Does the kernel guess to run with /bin/bash because I have a file suffix of .sh? |
| 16:15.36 | enouf | WormFood: as for your partitioning order question - to me, it makes no sense |
| 16:16.12 | enouf | oh .. i see, 6 / 5 swapped |
| 16:16.14 | stew | martianlobster: no, the kernel wouldn't know. and no, the file suffix is ignored, and note that /bin/bash is possibly different than /bin/sh |
| 16:16.36 | Kretuli | please can someone tell me why i get "unkown id" when i try to start the eggdrop configure file with "./configure" |
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| 16:16.41 | enouf | WormFood: wipe them both, restore the data on correct number ;-) |
| 16:16.50 | stew | martianlobster: the only way the kernel knows to run script files with bash is if you have that line at the top of the script or you explicitly do something like "bash /path/to/foo.sh" |
| 16:16.51 | martianlobster | stew: ok. So I have basically been lucky that the kernel has been running my scripts correctly without a shebang |
| 16:17.01 | stew | martianlobster: no, you haven't been lucky |
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| 16:17.14 | enouf | Kretuli: can you atleast try to post more information about it all? |
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| 16:17.31 | stew | martianlobster: if it is running your scripts with bash without you telling it to you are unlucky, but I don't believe that is actually happening |
| 16:17.53 | enouf | WormFood: messing with Ext'd + Logicals partitions is er .. messy .. :-P (to say the least) |
| 16:18.02 | WormFood | enouf, I'm NOT copying my data off this partition, just to get them in the right order, when it is easy to just edit the partition table |
| 16:18.07 | enouf | see 4 points to the beginning of 6 atm |
| 16:18.19 | enouf | which 6 points to the beginning of 5 |
| 16:18.21 | WormFood | yes, messy....which is why I asked if there is something that will do it for me |
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| 16:18.38 | enouf | no, it's not that simple! |
| 16:19.07 | enouf | you need to be concerned with the boot sectors of each partition AND perhaps even some sectors within the 1st 63 |
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| 16:19.55 | stew | martianlobster: it is important to note #!/bin/bash for scripts that use things specific to bash |
| 16:19.57 | enouf | WormFood: if you do find an easy out - please let me know - i'm willing to learn |
| 16:19.58 | WormFood | it is not a big deal to me |
| 16:20.22 | martianlobster | stew ok ty |
| 16:20.37 | WormFood | that is a good thing....I'm always willing to learn new things too |
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| 16:21.14 | WormFood | now I need to learn how to clean my laptop keyboard, as my friend spilt mountain dew in it, and now 3 of my keys are sticky :( |
| 16:21.18 | Kretuli | enouf: well i am busy configuring eggdrop on my server. I have downloaded eggdrop1.6.19 and placed it in /etc .. then i cd'd myseld to /etc/eggdrop1.6.19 and typed in "./configure" all i get is "unkown id: ./configure" |
| 16:21.48 | enouf | Kretuli: /etc/ ? |
| 16:21.51 | enouf | wtf? |
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| 16:22.09 | enouf | Kretuli: does a ./configure even exist? |
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| 16:22.37 | WormFood | I just discovered an irc bot that is written in python....haven't really looked at it in detail, but it is running on one of my channels :D |
| 16:22.55 | Kretuli | enouf: configure exists yes .. |
| 16:23.01 | enouf | Kretuli: go build it somewhere else, another non-root partition, or even somewhere in $HOME |
| 16:23.21 | Kretuli | arent all programs in etc? |
| 16:23.35 | enouf | Kretuli: thanks for answering 2 of 2 - with 1 being the most important |
| 16:23.50 | WormFood | what I'd love to see in the installer, is something that will test the mirror speeds, and download from the fastest mirror |
| 16:24.02 | WormFood | installer = debian installer |
| 16:24.11 | enouf | !apt-select |
| 16:24.18 | WormFood | in the INSTALLER? |
| 16:24.26 | enouf | or .. gah - netselect-apt, but there'sa newer one |
| 16:24.41 | WormFood | yeah, there are 2 of them, but how do you run them from the INSTALLER? |
| 16:24.44 | stew | WormFood: send a patch! |
| 16:24.49 | WormFood | hehehe |
| 16:24.50 | enouf | WormFood: install them |
| 16:25.01 | WormFood | enouf, the system isn't up and running yet |
| 16:25.08 | enouf | why not? |
| 16:25.20 | enouf | you can install from within the installer |
| 16:25.21 | WormFood | stew, I figured smarter people that me would have added that feature ;) |
| 16:25.22 | stew | WormFood: make a udeb out of one netselect-apt or apt-spy |
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| 16:25.31 | zxd | Hi |
| 16:25.31 | stew | WormFood: they haven't |
| 16:25.34 | WormFood | that=than |
| 16:25.34 | enouf | ahh .. yes, apt-spy |
| 16:25.36 | stew | WormFood: you should do it |
| 16:25.37 | zxd | need info abou upgrading etch to lenny |
| 16:25.46 | stew | zxd: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 16:25.56 | WormFood | I'd love to add it, but sadly I have too many other things sucking up my time :( |
| 16:25.58 | enouf | WormFood: then use udpkg to install it |
| 16:26.17 | WormFood | I've gotten my contributions added to other open source projects :D |
| 16:26.38 | enouf | forces WormFood to focus efforts upon Debian only ... :-P |
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| 16:27.36 | WormFood | hi synaptic |
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| 16:28.38 | macman_ | how can i mv or cp all files in one command to an external and leave out 1 folder ? |
| 16:29.13 | Kretuli | enouf: i still get unknown id eventhough I made eggdrop its own user .. so /home/eggdrop/eggdrop1.6.19 |
| 16:30.10 | WormFood | macman_, set the permissions of that "folder" (we call them 'directories' in Linux, this isn't winblows), so that it can't be copied? |
| 16:30.34 | aurel42 | macman_: or move/copy all, then move "1 folder" back or delete it from the target? ;) |
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| 16:32.03 | macman_ | so i want to a mass move of directories to an external .. during that mass i want to keep 1 folder that better wording ? |
| 16:32.18 | WormFood | you explain it well enough |
| 16:32.26 | idimmu | create a list of all the directories in to a text file |
| 16:32.32 | macman_ | ok |
| 16:32.34 | idimmu | delete the one you dont want to copy out of it |
| 16:32.38 | WormFood | cp `ls -1 | grep -v 'name to exclude'` destination |
| 16:32.43 | idimmu | or that |
| 16:32.45 | idimmu | same difference |
| 16:32.59 | idimmu | depending on how bit the list is |
| 16:33.01 | here4thegear | quick question... I want to allow users to have personal settings for bash, vim, and some other things... most items though, like .bashrc by default are in /home/username/ this causes some clutter with these items... is there a way to force that these be in a folder /home/username/setting automatically or do I have to edit the configuration of each program that I want to do this with? |
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| 16:34.16 | aurel42 | here4thegear: there's only clutter if "invisible" files (files starting with a dot) are displayed. Perhaps it's easier to disable that in the client that displays the file list? |
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| 16:34.39 | adama1 | you will have to do it per-program |
| 16:34.56 | aurel42 | here4thegear: if your users rely on documentation, it's kinda impolite to move the files around because they won't be able to find them. ;) |
| 16:35.06 | Helion | how to install deb packages? |
| 16:35.21 | adama1 | dpkg -i something.deb |
| 16:35.22 | dpkg | package something.deb is already installed |
| 16:35.28 | adama1 | not you |
| 16:35.33 | aurel42 | *snicker* |
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| 16:35.39 | here4thegear | aurel42: that is a great point |
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| 16:35.42 | Franck_ | hello :) |
| 16:35.45 | Helion | adama1 ty |
| 16:36.24 | Franck_ | is there anybody who already made an install with netboot-tftp ? if yes, i have an issue i would like to talk about please |
| 16:36.46 | Helion | what if the platform versions don't match? I use amd64 and there is no similar package for amd64 |
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| 16:36.51 | Helion | only i386 |
| 16:37.23 | adama1 | Helion: it should work anyways, unless I was misinformed yesterday |
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| 16:37.46 | Helion | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.46 | Helion | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 16:37.54 | macman_ | WormFood, |
| 16:37.56 | macman_ | macman% cp ls -l |grepp -v Room2.txt /media/External1/ |
| 16:37.56 | macman_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.51 | WormFood | no |
| 16:39.00 | WormFood | that isn't what I said |
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| 16:39.44 | WormFood | cp -a $(ls -1 | grep -v room2.txt) /media/External1/ <-- is another way to do it |
| 16:39.55 | WormFood | that is ls -one, not ls -ell |
| 16:40.12 | WormFood | using `` is the same as using $() |
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| 16:40.34 | enouf | here4thegear: if the users are not yet added, see /etc/default/useradd and maybe adduser.conf to set it up so all new users get specific options when generated |
| 16:41.44 | WormFood | try this....put "echo" before "cp" to see how the command will look...and if you're happy with it, then delete "echo" to execute it |
| 16:41.44 | macman_ | WormFood, why the $( ) ? |
| 16:41.44 | WormFood | just try it and see, or "man bash", and learn about it |
| 16:41.44 | macman_ | i know what find . -name "file" mv () |
| 16:41.44 | enouf | WormFood: funny how he mentioned to "leave out one folder" and is leaving out 1 txt file ;-) |
| 16:41.44 | WormFood | sorry, I'm a little busy |
| 16:41.54 | WormFood | enouf, maybe it is a directory, just with a common name for a txt file :P |
| 16:42.01 | enouf | haha |
| 16:42.04 | WormFood | or maybe it is a REALLY BIG text file ;) |
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| 16:42.27 | enouf | WormFood: once they get REALLY HUGE, they automatically become a Dir/ :-P |
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| 16:42.40 | WormFood | yes, I agree...rather funny....just copy it over, and delete it later.....unless he does not have space on the destination drive |
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| 16:42.58 | here4thegear | enouf: I'll do that just for the learning process, however, I've been talked out of a settings folder, (users who rely on documentation wouldn't know where to look)... |
| 16:43.01 | WormFood | macman_, $() and `` is totally unrelated to () |
| 16:43.10 | zxd | what is safe-upgrade ? |
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| 16:44.12 | twinkie_addict | my idea of a safe upgrade is a clean install but i like to make life dificult for my self :) |
| 16:44.26 | enouf | here4thegear: there's the .config and .local files within $HOME of each user, not sure if those are LSB standard or not, nor what their purpose is supposed to be :-) |
| 16:44.31 | stew | zxd: "man aptitude" should explain it, but basically its an upgrade that is guaranteed to not remove packages |
| 16:45.10 | enouf | here4thegear: er s/files/dirs |
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| 16:49.41 | jvdm | hahaha |
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| 16:49.44 | jvdm | sorry about that |
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| 16:54.10 | macman_ | WormFood, im learning still im a n00b ... i know cp -a copies directorys .. ls -la list directorys and grep greps fnames .. when you did the $(ls -la |grep -v room2.txt) what is the $( ) actually doing ? |
| 16:54.49 | WormFood | ugh! That isn't what I said to do |
| 16:54.58 | macman_ | well its working WormFood |
| 16:54.59 | WormFood | it is ls -1....ls - one, not l |
| 16:55.18 | enouf | !neo |
| 16:55.19 | dpkg | well, neo is tha masta of murda so whatch ya back |
| 16:55.21 | WormFood | -1 gives you just the file names, no extra info |
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| 16:55.35 | WormFood | the $() replaces that command on the command line |
| 16:55.36 | macman_ | <WormFood> cp -a $(ls -1 | grep -v room2.txt) /media/External1/ <-- is another way to do it |
| 16:55.36 | macman_ | its going |
| 16:55.44 | WormFood | yes |
| 16:56.01 | macman_ | yea i didn't need the $( ) |
| 16:56.08 | WormFood | put "echo" in front of cp ("echo cp"), and you'll see what it does |
| 16:56.14 | WormFood | yes, you need the $() |
| 16:56.18 | enouf | macman_: join #bash and show them your ls usage, teehee |
| 16:56.30 | WormFood | you can also replace $( ) with ``...same thing |
| 16:56.33 | macman_ | enouf, using zsh |
| 16:56.43 | enouf | ugh |
| 16:56.59 | enouf | then /join #zsh and tell them - teehee |
| 16:57.26 | pertain | hm. I wonder if greycat is in zsh? ;) |
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| 16:58.01 | enouf | bets 1000grand he's not |
| 16:58.20 | pertain | the ls story is no fun if he's not reading. |
| 16:58.22 | macman_ | enouf, i just changed my shell to sh |
| 16:58.24 | macman_ | :P |
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| 16:58.32 | enouf | why not use a Macintosh while you're at it .. maybe even OSX .. |
| 16:58.33 | nkuttler | he's in debian-bots though |
| 16:58.47 | enouf | and many times in -offtopic |
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| 17:03.29 | WormFood | funny you mention osx...I'm installing that crap right now on a friend's computer |
| 17:04.38 | Vonoff | which package contains the make-kpkg prog? |
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| 17:04.52 | abrotman | kernel-package |
| 17:04.57 | abrotman | !tell Vonoff about search |
| 17:05.02 | stew | Vonoff: kernel-package, but note that make-kpkg is now deprecated, /msg dpkg kernel compile |
| 17:05.37 | stew | upstream kernels now know how to "make deb-pkg" |
| 17:06.20 | abrotman | does that only work on debian systems? |
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| 17:06.56 | abrotman | or does it just make a package without depends? |
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| 17:08.07 | stew | abrotman: i'm not sure |
| 17:08.18 | ghang | hi , i would like to know , where is pidgin plugin folder path |
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| 17:09.31 | little_unix | Hello All, i need work my usb ethernet adapter (rj45) |
| 17:09.40 | little_unix | it's work on gnu/linux debian? |
| 17:10.06 | little_unix | hotplug will be detecting it? |
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| 17:10.34 | little_unix | and install device in mode to config ---> ifconfig eth0... for example? |
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| 17:11.21 | Geek`N`Proud | little_unix, does your ethernet adapter work on any other GNU/Linux distribution? |
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| 17:11.51 | little_unix | [Geek`N`Proud]: i don't know :[ |
| 17:11.55 | little_unix | =[ |
| 17:12.00 | Geek`N`Proud | little_unix, what model is it? |
| 17:12.06 | little_unix | my first installation |
| 17:12.10 | little_unix | generical |
| 17:12.11 | little_unix | but |
| 17:12.13 | little_unix | in windows |
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| 17:12.29 | little_unix | hir have got a SIS900 chip |
| 17:12.36 | little_unix | (after installed) |
| 17:12.40 | Geek`N`Proud | little_unix, so it's unbranded? |
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| 17:13.56 | Geek`N`Proud | little_unix, the best way to find out is to use a livecd like knoppix and run lsusb |
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| 17:14.09 | Geek`N`Proud | then from that get the model that Linux detects it as and google around |
| 17:14.23 | little_unix | [Geek`N`Proud]: hummm |
| 17:14.25 | Geek`N`Proud | even unsupported devices will show on lsusb with a model/description |
| 17:14.25 | little_unix | nono |
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| 17:14.39 | little_unix | [Fadoksi]: ok |
| 17:14.41 | little_unix | ok |
| 17:14.44 | enouf | you want lsusb -v - and the VendorID/DeviceID combo |
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| 17:14.54 | RichiH | !be a uuid barbie |
| 17:14.55 | dpkg | Aww, uuid is HARD! Let's go shopping, richih |
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| 17:15.13 | little_unix | but any intarfaces work this mode? |
| 17:15.23 | little_unix | plug -> hotplug detect -> ifconfig...? |
| 17:15.46 | little_unix | or i need going up module? |
| 17:16.01 | little_unix | for example: modprobe sis900 |
| 17:16.15 | enouf | lsmod |
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| 17:18.50 | Geek`N`Proud | little_unix, many "just work" but some need manually loaded firmware |
| 17:18.56 | Geek`N`Proud | like Speedtouch USB modems for example |
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| 17:19.08 | little_unix | hummm |
| 17:19.24 | little_unix | yeah, but i need device usb with rj45 |
| 17:19.39 | little_unix | mini ethernet 10/100 mb |
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| 17:20.45 | Geek`N`Proud | yeah, the 1st USB modem I had was for ADSL and had an RJ-45 slot |
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| 17:22.59 | little_unix | yeah, my desktop have 1 ethernet device busy (local area) |
| 17:23.01 | little_unix | but |
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| 17:23.10 | little_unix | i have other rj45 iface |
| 17:23.29 | little_unix | my friendy choose usb mini ethernet 10/100 |
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| 17:23.54 | little_unix | i know that the debian system use hotplug system |
| 17:24.04 | little_unix | for check devices usb |
| 17:24.07 | little_unix | but |
| 17:24.18 | enouf | !enter |
| 17:24.18 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 17:25.01 | little_unix | i don't know if i plugged iface the hotplug system will go up device |
| 17:25.16 | little_unix | for use this i can use: ifconfig ethX ... |
| 17:25.22 | little_unix | understand? |
| 17:26.00 | Geek`N`Proud | yes I know what you mean |
| 17:26.06 | Geek`N`Proud | and it doesn't work quite that way for a USB modem |
| 17:26.44 | Geek`N`Proud | that's why you should use lsusb and google the output relating to the modem |
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| 17:26.52 | little_unix | yes |
| 17:27.01 | little_unix | but for network local area use |
| 17:27.04 | little_unix | this work fine? |
| 17:27.21 | little_unix | traffic a good informations? |
| 17:27.21 | Geek`N`Proud | yes for a router or LAN |
| 17:27.29 | little_unix | latency... ? |
| 17:27.33 | little_unix | is good? |
| 17:27.42 | Geek`N`Proud | what do you mean by latency? |
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| 17:28.00 | Geek`N`Proud | all modern networked OSes have a robust network stack with low latency levels |
| 17:28.15 | little_unix | nice, nice :D |
| 17:28.22 | little_unix | thanks man! |
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| 17:30.59 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 17:31.05 | iturk | hey guys, I accidentally unselect all the packages using dselect to be uninstall. Is there a way of reversing it? Besides is telling me that "You are about to do something potentially harmful" |
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| 17:32.38 | RedLizard | For some reason, libglib1.2ldbl conflicts with libglib1.2, which makes upgrading from etch to lenny impossible. Any ideas why, and how to solve this? |
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| 17:36.02 | rizzo_ | anyone know the reason why when i ping my servers ip address it times out, do i need to enable something for it to resond to pings |
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| 17:38.45 | adama1 | rizzo_: yes, presumably. There are a lot of ways to do it though |
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| 17:40.07 | adama1 | rizzo_: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all 0 or 1? |
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| 17:41.29 | rizzo_ | 0 |
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| 17:42.32 | rizzo_ | adama1: if the computer is behind a router, what happens then because i understand ping doesn't use a specific port |
| 17:44.41 | adama1 | rizzo_: then you could only ping the router, of course. yes ping is ICMP which as opposed to TCP and UDP does not use ports. |
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| 17:46.28 | rizzo_ | adama1: so in this case the server has nothing to do with the ping response, its the router? |
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| 17:52.15 | adama1 | rizzo_: correct. You can probably configure your router to respond to pings if you want. |
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| 17:52.56 | adama1 | wait, I am assuming you are on the WAN side of the router, and the server is on the LAN. correct? |
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| 17:57.00 | Speereet | Hello. I'm a migrating Gentoo user, and I'd like to know where does one allow empty password logins (in Debian, which I suppose it's equivalent for all PAM enabled distributions). |
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| 17:57.55 | stew | Speereet: in /etc/pam.d/common-password |
| 17:58.18 | Speereet | stew: Just checked it, and couldn't find relevant entry. |
| 17:58.39 | stew | Speereet: did you read the comments? |
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| 17:59.00 | Speereet | nullok! Thanks, stew. |
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| 17:59.25 | stew | you're welcome |
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| 18:00.01 | [cipher] | any idea about knoqueror in lenny, i can't see my files on it |
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| 18:00.06 | Speereet | stew: Actually, the comments don't mention it. But there's the manpage⦠:-D |
| 18:00.25 | stew | Speereet: oh, they do here |
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| 18:01.45 | Speereet | Now, more issues: currently, Pidgin is crashing when I log in XMPP (using sid, obviously). In Gentoo, I'd mask the package and downgrade. How do I fix it in Debian? |
| 18:03.02 | Speereet | Also, the eix feature in Gentoo is awesome â it has a database for package categories, names, descriptions, etc. I don't find apt-cache as powerful. Is there an equivalent to eix in Debian? |
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| 18:05.58 | Speereet | And, finally: I find it quite worry-some to build a package from source. Currently, I do apt-get build-deps PACKAGE, apt-get source PACKAGE, and then I manually fix debian/rules to include --configure options. When I finally start building with dpkg-buildpackage -B, I start my quest for resolving dependencies. The faults in my approach are quite obvious, but I can't figure a better strategy in Debian. What do you recommend me to DO/READ? |
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| 18:15.41 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: just downgrade the package to a previous version |
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| 18:15.54 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: as far as tags go, you can search using debtags or aptitude |
| 18:16.11 | Speereet | dondelelcaro: I don't know how one downgrades a package in debian. |
| 18:16.33 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: aptitude install foopkg=fooversion; after adding a source (like snapshot.debian.net) which has the older version |
| 18:16.57 | Speereet | Ah, that's the way you do it⦠|
| 18:17.01 | Speereet | Thanks, dondelelcaro. |
| 18:17.30 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: as far as building packages goes, in general, you shouldn't need to build them (and if you do, it usually means you should be filing wishlist bugs to fix the compilation options, ideally with patches) |
| 18:18.29 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: that said, the way I deal with such things is to get the source using dget or similar, then modify the rules, and add build dependencies if necessary to control, then use pdebuild (part of pbuilder; you'll probably want cowdancer as well) to actually build the package |
| 18:18.36 | Speereet | dondelelcaro: I use YAP and I need with with readline interface, plus an interface to MySQL. What other options do I have besides building the package? |
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| 18:19.21 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: the prolog compiler? |
| 18:19.25 | Speereet | Yes. |
| 18:19.35 | Speereet | Interpreter. |
| 18:19.40 | RedLizard | if I have a package A and a package B that conflicts with A, can I make a virtual package that provides A (for those packages erroneously depending on A) while not conflicting with B? |
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| 18:20.39 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: in the case of yap, you'll have to build it and change the build dependencies, but I'd also file a wishlist bug asking for readline support and mysql support |
| 18:21.02 | dondelelcaro | (there's certainly no reason not to link against libreadline, and I suppose there's no much overhead in having mysql support) |
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| 18:23.05 | Speereet | Well, that was just an example, dondelelcaro. In my particular case, I'll build some packages for efficiency, therefore I'll change CFLAGS and ./configure options a lot. In Gentoo, /etc/make.conf. In Debian, I exported a CFLAGS variable. What is the standard method in Debian? |
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| 18:23.32 | chronic | when im searching for a package with aptitude, what command do i need to return version together with name? |
| 18:23.41 | LjL | chronic: depends on your version. what does "lsb_release -a" say? |
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| 18:24.04 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: you're actually going to find that mucking with CFLAGS isn't going to alter your efficiency much |
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| 18:24.30 | stew | LjL: can I /msg MetaBot a/s/l? |
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| 18:24.47 | LjL | stew: feel free :P |
| 18:24.58 | stew | chronic: what comand are you running now? |
| 18:24.58 | chronic | it sais debian |
| 18:25.08 | LjL | chronic: the full output please |
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| 18:25.15 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: unless you do comprehensive benchmarks on whatever you're doing comparing the performance of different compiler flags, it's most likely worthless to even bother with them |
| 18:25.57 | Speereet | dondelelcaro: for a few packages that I use a lot it does: gcc, xorg-server, python, cython⦠I can gain up to several hours when doing heavy load tasks â such as determinizing NFAs⦠|
| 18:26.17 | chronic | stew, aptitude search packagename |
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| 18:26.42 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: and if there are cases where it makes a significant difference where we don't already have sub-arch packages, filing bugs with the statistics with suggestions to alter the default compilation flags is what you should be doing |
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| 18:26.58 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: unless you're doing calculations that run for weeks, you're almost certainly not going to gain hours |
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| 18:27.13 | Speereet | dondelelcaro: Oh, of course, you're right â I don't pretend to spend weeks compiling my system from scratch in order to get a 0.00001% performance gain. |
| 18:27.17 | dondelelcaro | (and I wouldn't be at all surprised if you find that your compilation flags make things run *slower*) |
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| 18:28.14 | stew | chronic what version of aptitude does "dpkg -l aptitude" report? |
| 18:28.14 | Speereet | dondelelcaro: NFA to DFA is NP-complete for space and time. |
| 18:28.45 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: so? |
| 18:28.48 | RedLizard | if I have a package A and a package B that conflicts with A, can I make a virtual package that provides A (for those packages erroneously depending on A) while not conflicting with B? |
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| 18:29.06 | Speereet | I have cases that last months, is what I mean, dondelelcaro. |
| 18:29.37 | chronic | stew, whats the difference |
| 18:29.41 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: that's fine, but you'd still want to run a relatively serious set of benchmarks to actually find out if your changes will make a difference |
| 18:30.06 | dondelelcaro | (and there's certainly no reason to recompile xorg-server and gcc, for example.) |
| 18:30.10 | stew | chronic: becuase i suspect you are running ubuntu, in which case you should be asking in #ubuntu instead |
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| 18:30.56 | chronic | stew, well, you are wrong, sorry |
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| 18:32.14 | Speereet | For GCC, compiling some large packages can be faster up to minutes if I set the arch to mprescott (compiling GCC) and pipe it all (using GCC). I did the benchmark. |
| 18:32.15 | phobik | impales himself on simple-cdd dependency hell |
| 18:33.23 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: with what stdev and number of replicates? |
| 18:33.41 | Speereet | Anyway, that's not the point. The point is that I want a way to compile packages for debian that is easy. I'm going to check dget, pbuilder, and cowdancer as you suggested. |
| 18:33.54 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: but in any event, you can recompile them all with the same procedure; you can even have a chroot which has gcc set to use a specific set of options |
| 18:34.22 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: but long experience tells me that unless you do benchmarks with accurate statistics, you're likely just wasting time |
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| 18:34.57 | dondelelcaro | chronic: man aptitude and read about -F |
| 18:35.08 | Speereet | dondelelcaro: That's why I'm moving do Debian. I didn't before because Gentoo portage is quite friendly. |
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| 18:35.18 | Speereet | And addictive⦠|
| 18:35.34 | chronic | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 18:37.27 | Speereet | dondelelcaro: By the way, you're also right when you mention serious statistics⦠I may say that I did a "time make" a couple of times⦠Eh, eh, eh. :_D |
| 18:37.36 | Zloe | how i can deny to upgrade package in apt-get |
| 18:38.02 | stew | Zloe: /msg dpkg hold ; /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 18:40.47 | dondelelcaro | Speereet: yeah, but unless you calculate a standard deviation and run a test, it's kind of worthless |
| 18:40.50 | Zloe | stew: do not understand |
| 18:41.09 | dondelelcaro | pretty much ignores benchmarks which don't list standard deviation |
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| 18:41.30 | stew | Zloe: there is a bot here named "dpkg" if you type "/msg dpkg hold" or "/msg dpkg pinning" into your irc client, you should get information about two different ways of preventing an upgrade to a package |
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| 18:43.00 | Speereet | dondelelcaro: Well, consider that I'm talking out of experience, and I don't pretend to make a point on it. I don't trust statistics that aren't an attachment to a well written report/paper on some matter, with every concept unambiguously defined. :-p |
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| 19:04.39 | slimjimflim | and i just installed php5-mysql |
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| 19:09.09 | iturk | hey guys, I am following this to apply a patch "http://wiki.nuigroup.com/Installing_Multitouch_and_fixing_OpenCV_on_Debian_Lenny" but I am getting a syntax error from "dpkg-buildpackage libhighgui1" can someone have a look? |
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| 19:12.35 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps question is there a way to shut down my server if its not getting requests for single cast packets? |
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| 19:15.19 | pertain | bbelt16ag: maybe with iptables? |
| 19:15.54 | bbelt16ag | ok... |
| 19:16.41 | Tramp | even if I read "single cast" as unicast I don't understand the Q. |
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| 19:17.47 | pertain | I assume single cast request is icmp echo request |
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| 19:18.23 | Tramp | pertain: I actually googled but found "single cast" only in reference to knitting. |
| 19:19.16 | pertain | knitted products are sort of a network :) |
| 19:19.36 | Tramp | absolutely |
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| 19:28.31 | macman_ | err .. i want to rm -r all directories on a external and only leave 1 |
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| 19:28.50 | macman_ | does rm have an exclude feature |
| 19:29.16 | macman_ | -i ? |
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| 19:29.39 | a-l-e | hello, i'd like to play a .ogg video on debian 4.0... vlc doesn't give an error, but the image is black |
| 19:29.40 | SEcki | -i asks you for each file *i*nteractive |
| 19:29.45 | macman_ | yea |
| 19:29.46 | macman_ | so how is this |
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| 19:29.53 | maginot | how to force removing just a package and keep his dependencies even if it will get broken? |
| 19:29.55 | macman_ | rm -r pi * |
| 19:29.56 | macman_ | err |
| 19:29.59 | macman_ | rm -r -i * |
| 19:30.12 | stew | maginot: why do you want to? and how are you going to fix the dependencies later? |
| 19:30.12 | SEcki | macman_: make the list epxlicit, ie name all directories except the one you want to delete, mabye with the help of find |
| 19:30.13 | macman_ | let me test |
| 19:30.39 | maginot | stew, Im making some tests, Is there a way ? |
| 19:30.42 | stew | macman_: i'd recommend using find to find the files you want to remove and piping the output to xargs rm |
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| 19:30.53 | macman_ | ok |
| 19:30.56 | stew | maginot: it depends on what you want to do |
| 19:30.59 | a-l-e | the timer counts the minutes but i don't see any picture... |
| 19:31.06 | macman_ | stew, .. they are directories |
| 19:31.09 | stew | maginot: when are you going to fix the dependencies? |
| 19:31.27 | a-l-e | i'm willing to use other software... |
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| 19:31.34 | maginot | stew, well, this doesnt matter is just for debuging and tests.... |
| 19:31.38 | stew | macman_: sure, then | xargs rm -r just be careful you get it correct before actually running the rm |
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| 19:31.54 | macman_ | stew, im going to create 5 directores on my desktop and rm them |
| 19:31.56 | Tramp | macman_: shopt -s extglob; echo !(thisdir) (where "thisdir" is the name of the dir you want to exclude) |
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| 19:32.13 | maginot | if something get broken Im up to reinstall everything, but I need to remove tftpd-hpa without removing other packages linked to it |
| 19:32.14 | stew | maginot: i'm just trying to figure out what exactly you are trying to do so I can give you a correct answer |
| 19:32.33 | maginot | stew, ^ |
| 19:33.17 | stew | maginot: and then later you are going to reinstall it? or later you are going to replace it with something else that provides it? or you are going to reinstall it the next time you run apt-get/aptitude/dpkg? or what |
| 19:33.41 | stew | maginot: do you want to say "and ignore these dependencies forever" or "and ignore these dependencies for just this transaction" |
| 19:34.09 | maginot | stew, just for this specific package would be enought |
| 19:34.34 | macman_ | Tramp, i have no shopt |
| 19:35.44 | stew | macman_: what shell are you using? |
| 19:35.59 | macman_ | zsh |
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| 19:36.10 | macman_ | i can use bash |
| 19:36.26 | macman_ | yea shopt is on bash |
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| 19:36.38 | maginot | stew, editing /var/lib/dpkg/status would do ? |
| 19:36.43 | stew | macman_: he was asusming you use bash, zsh has similar things available though |
| 19:36.45 | stew | macman_: don't do that |
| 19:36.51 | stew | macman_: not you |
| 19:36.55 | stew | maginot: don't edit /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 19:36.56 | macman_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:37.06 | macman_ | ok |
| 19:37.08 | stew | macman_: ignore that, i meant to say "don't do that" to maginot |
| 19:37.55 | smarf | guys, have you upgraded flashplugin to 10? I have 9. According to the wiki, Lenny supports flash 10. |
| 19:38.02 | macman_ | macman@macman:~/Desktop$ rm -ri * |
| 19:38.02 | macman_ | rm: remove directory `123'? |
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| 19:38.04 | macman_ | :P |
| 19:38.07 | macman_ | how is that ? |
| 19:38.29 | stew | smarf: not oficially, but I believe there is an installer on backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 19:38.31 | macman_ | works for me |
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| 19:39.19 | smarf | stew, yeh, I have backports in my repo list. :/ Whatever, I'll wait. I have big problems with flash, so I hope the next versions to be an improvement. |
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| 19:39.36 | stew | smarf: and what is the problem? the version there is too old? |
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| 19:40.13 | smarf | no, it's the latest official. I get high values of cpu percentage (about 40-50%) with only one youtube window open. |
| 19:40.31 | stew | smarf: what do you mean by "the latest official"? |
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| 19:41.01 | smarf | I mean the version. It's the latest that exists in the repositories. |
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| 19:41.38 | stew | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 19:41.39 | judd | stew: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.5 |
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| 19:41.54 | stew | smarf: you have 1:2.5~bpo50+1 already? |
| 19:41.59 | maginot | okay, anyone knows how to remove a package and only that package without his dependencies? |
| 19:42.03 | smarf | let me check, stew |
| 19:42.10 | stew | maginot: yes, i do |
| 19:42.19 | stew | maginot: --force-depends |
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| 19:42.41 | stew | maginot: though i suspect it won't do what you want to do |
| 19:42.47 | martyn-job | Hi |
| 19:43.49 | maginot | stew, dpkg --force-depends -r <package> ? |
| 19:44.28 | shafu | Is it possible to move a debian instalation from a IDE hdd to a sata one? |
| 19:44.31 | stew | maginot: see "dpkg --force-help" note the "it may damage your system warnings" and note that I don't know if it will achieve what you want, since i still don't know what you want exactly |
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| 19:44.52 | maginot | okay, just for tests anyway thanks stew |
| 19:45.00 | HSNews | people, how to set priority for Auto-Connection to ESSID in wcid? |
| 19:45.17 | HSNews | If ESSID 1 is down, connect to ESSID 2. |
| 19:45.22 | HSNews | that's I mean |
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| 19:45.47 | shafu | Is it possible to move a debian instalation from a IDE hdd to a sata one? Anyone can help me with this? |
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| 19:46.31 | Tramp | macman_: yes, sorry. I was afk. I assumed you use bash, as stew pointed out. But I see you fixed your problem. |
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| 19:47.51 | aryah | hi! anyone here tried to put video or screensaver to desktop background? as I understood it its supposed to be as easy as mplayer -rootwin. But while it seems this does put the playback to the desktop, any other window I have above it is covered by this playback. I have transparency via xcompmgr. and xmonad as window manager |
| 19:48.37 | macman_ | how would i pipe indivdual files to xorg .. i want directories |
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| 19:49.23 | macman_ | how is this |
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| 19:49.59 | abrotman | wonders if macman_ is still asking ubuntu questions in #debian .. |
| 19:50.16 | macman_ | why ? that is a linux question forget ubuntu |
| 19:50.27 | macman_ | i couldn't do it on my deiban live cd eaither |
| 19:50.54 | macman_ | yes im using ubuntu and debian live cd .. im using the live cd to trasnfer stuff |
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| 19:51.28 | bstock | wtf you mean 'pipe files to xorg' |
| 19:51.41 | macman_ | xarg bstock my bad |
| 19:51.59 | macman_ | if i piped files to xorg i wouldn't be here heh ? |
| 19:52.09 | frostschutz | find -0 | xargs -0 |
| 19:52.16 | frostschutz | find -print0 actually |
| 19:52.23 | abrotman | frostschutz: xorg .. not xargs |
| 19:52.32 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
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| 19:53.35 | macman_ | frostschutz, that finds all files .. how about directores |
| 19:53.43 | pertain | find -type d -print0 |
| 19:53.44 | frostschutz | find -type d |
| 19:53.48 | abrotman | man find ? |
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| 19:53.57 | C2H5OH | is there any known issue with font antialiasing in latex-beamer? |
| 19:54.35 | frostschutz | C2H5OH: font rendering (and thus aa) is usually done by the application that displays the document to you, not by latex |
| 19:55.47 | C2H5OH | frostschutz: but with the same application, I render two versions of the same LaTeX source (one generated two months ago, and one today) and I see font aliasing only in one of them |
| 19:55.55 | frostschutz | C2H5OH: but if you're looking for an issue with your latex document, check that you're not using a pixelish bitmap font? |
| 19:56.12 | bstock | anyone know a good way to do like a mv but exclude only one file |
| 19:56.28 | frostschutz | bstock: mv ...; mv movedfile originalfile; ;) |
| 19:56.33 | bstock | like mv (everything except dir) dir |
| 19:56.33 | C2H5OH | frostschutz: it only seems to happen with latex-beamer |
| 19:57.44 | bstock | yeah usually i do something like 'mkdir ../dir; mv * ../dir; mv ../dir .' |
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| 19:57.53 | frostschutz | bstock: mv does not know an exclude option I believe, so you either have to use something that has an exclude (such as find) and pass the positive matches on to mv (see xargs example we just had it), or just dont pass the file to mv in the first place |
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| 19:57.55 | bstock | but didn't know if there was easier to way to select everything except one file |
| 19:58.23 | Tramp | bstock: shopt -s extglob, then use !(file) as glob (if you have bash that is ...) |
| 19:59.03 | frostschutz | oh right, extended bash globbing... I never use this, as the deeper you dig into bash only features the harder it is using other shells ;) |
| 19:59.04 | bbelt16ag | ji |
| 19:59.06 | bbelt16ag | jkjkjj] |
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| 19:59.51 | bstock | hmm never heard of glob stuff |
| 19:59.55 | johndoe | i had kate & amarok running nicely on AMD64. then i rebooted into my old i386 kernel (they worked there) and now they arent working on AMD64!? (im using gnome btw) |
| 20:00.22 | bstock | then reboot into amd64 ;) |
| 20:00.48 | C2H5OH | frostschutz: well, so it seems it's a problem with texlive fonts |
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| 20:00.50 | bstock | or install i386 versions to alt dirs |
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| 20:02.31 | johndoe | bstock: they arent working on the amd64 version :/ |
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| 20:04.15 | Supertanker | Do I need to set my / or my /boot partition bootable in setup? |
| 20:05.23 | bstock | not if the bootloader is installed on the mbr |
| 20:05.37 | frostschutz | Supertanker: depends... where do you intend to install grub? |
| 20:05.45 | johndoe | kbuildsycrackhead |
| 20:05.45 | Supertanker | frostschutz, MBR. |
| 20:05.52 | frostschutz | Supertanker: in mbr you may not need the bootable at all |
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| 20:05.57 | Supertanker | Ah, okay |
| 20:05.58 | Supertanker | Thanks |
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| 20:06.41 | SA007 | does anyone have a explantion for stalling transfer between usb stick and harddisk? |
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| 20:07.09 | frostschutz | bad usb? |
| 20:07.20 | SA007 | frostschutz: multiple pc's have the same issue |
| 20:07.32 | Supertanker | Bad USB stick? |
| 20:07.50 | SA007 | it trasfers ~130MB, than stalls for about 30 seconds and agina ~130MB and so forth |
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| 20:08.33 | frostschutz | if youre writing on the stick, then maybe it's just slow (and you see it stalling while it flushes the write cache on the usb stick) |
| 20:08.36 | SA007 | bad usb is a possibility but its a bit too consistent for that |
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| 20:08.45 | Bsims{fs} | I need help knowing if my psu is within spec http://paste.ubuntu.com/142300/ |
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| 20:09.16 | Gun_Smoke | SA007, Mine does that every now and then, but I've noticed that it only seems to happen via the gui.. |
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| 20:09.36 | frostschutz | Bsims{fs}: could be worse, and sensors aren't that accurate anyhow. do you have any psu related issues? |
| 20:09.40 | SA007 | Bsims{fs}: It looks nice within spec, but those onboard sensors can have quote a deviation from the real values |
| 20:10.03 | SA007 | Bsims{fs}: only reliable way is using a multimeter |
| 20:10.06 | Bsims{fs} | frostschutz: random shut downs last few days, yesterday was OK |
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| 20:10.22 | SA007 | Gun_Smoke: It is with symantac ghost running in dosemu |
| 20:10.33 | frostschutz | Bsims{fs}: if you suspect psu, only reliable way is: try another psu. ;) |
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| 20:11.09 | Bsims{fs} | frostschutz: LOL I am a cheap bas*ard and was hoping to avoid it |
| 20:11.22 | frostschutz | Bsims{fs}: then start suspecting something else |
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| 20:11.38 | smarf | stew, I wasn't in, did you read my question? |
| 20:11.49 | Gun_Smoke | SA007, no idea for you.. I just use one for knoppix, and the other for a "pocket" lol.. same with both drives, and both are different brands, well appear to be at least.. Both probably made in Taiwan. |
| 20:12.56 | stew | smarf: i didn't see any questions from you i haven't answered. i asked questions of you that you didn't answer |
| 20:12.59 | SA007 | Gun_Smoke: i have a suspection about buffers acting up, but what buffersize is more that 100meg's? |
| 20:13.10 | stew | smarf: what version of flashplugin-nonfree do you have installed? |
| 20:13.17 | smarf | stew, sorry for the delay, adobe's site says : You have version 9,0,159,0 installed. 10 is the latest :/. How can I find the version of flashplugin-nonfree I have installed? |
| 20:13.24 | Gun_Smoke | SA007, over my head from there.. |
| 20:14.06 | Bsims{fs} | frostschutz: well its not overheating according to the bios screen and volts are in spec I suppose I'll bite the bullet and get a new earthwats powersupply |
| 20:14.30 | stew | smarf: "apt-cache policy packagename" under Installed: |
| 20:14.40 | SA007 | Gun_Smoke: no prob, it works and its not really slow, but its just weird that the transfer goes from 12MB/s to 0 to 12 to 0 to 12 every half minute or so |
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| 20:15.24 | Gun_Smoke | SA007, yeah strange.. at 12/s is that usb 1.0? |
| 20:15.40 | SA007 | no, usb2, but not a fast usb drive |
| 20:15.47 | smarf | stew, it says: 1:1.4~bpo40+1! But it doesn't upgrade :/ |
| 20:16.20 | stew | smarf: show us the full output ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:16.32 | smarf | k |
| 20:16.46 | SA007 | Gun_Smoke: usb1 is just 1,5meg/s |
| 20:16.53 | smarf | stew, http://rafb.net/p/z5Thy030.html |
| 20:16.55 | Spec | SA007: have you tried mounting the usb stick with -o sync ? |
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| 20:17.01 | Lint01 | how much debian will take as default Gnome desktop install? |
| 20:17.15 | meneame | hi |
| 20:17.17 | SA007 | Spec: not yet, but might be a good idea indeed |
| 20:17.18 | ranix | Lint01: twelve ounces |
| 20:17.30 | Gun_Smoke | Lint01, I think around 2G ranix lol.. |
| 20:17.30 | Spec | SA007: if it is a cache problem, then that'll make it go away...might be slower average though. not sure |
| 20:17.36 | SA007 | Spec: can only try tomorrow anyways |
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| 20:17.47 | stew | smarf: right, so "aptitude install -t lenny-backports flashplugin-nonfree" would upgrade it |
| 20:17.57 | stew | smarf: you might want to review the instructions page at backports.org |
| 20:18.02 | SA007 | Spec: i'd rather have a slow contant rate that an fast wildly fluctuating rate |
| 20:18.18 | Spec | SA007: hehe |
| 20:18.26 | stew | Lint01: of disk space? I believe it is a little more than 1G |
| 20:18.33 | smarf | stew, I have backports in my repo list. /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree, shouldn't do it? |
| 20:18.55 | SA007 | Spec: its is really hard to guess remaining time if the transfer isn't constant |
| 20:19.03 | meneame | i usually used windows for connect to other devices using serial cable with a usb converter. I used putty connecting it to COM7. So... now i want to do the same with debian, but i dont know, when I plug the cable "New usb ttyUSB01 serial converter found" appear on demesg. How can i do telnet to it? |
| 20:19.28 | SA007 | meneame: you don't telnet tot a comport |
| 20:19.31 | stew | smarf: i don't know what that would do. I believe the command I gave you would get you a newer version of flash. |
| 20:20.08 | Spec | meneame: what type of connection are you trying to do? are you looing for a hyperterminal-like program? |
| 20:20.09 | SA007 | meneame: just use a terminal program (like putty) and select /dev/ttyUSB0 where you would select COM7 onder windows |
| 20:20.14 | smarf | stew, yes it did, thanks a lot. I'm new to Debian, and I'm trying to understand how it works :/ |
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| 20:20.22 | Spec | meneame: minicom is good. |
| 20:20.44 | ranix | I used minicom |
| 20:20.48 | ranix | it is indeed good |
| 20:20.54 | ranix | kermit in windows |
| 20:20.58 | ranix | minicom in linux |
| 20:21.00 | SA007 | meneame: minicom is indeed very nice, but commandline-ish, if you know putty it might be a better idea to use that |
| 20:21.20 | haxi | there is no kdecore on squeeze? |
| 20:21.38 | meneame | Spec i´m doing telnet for get a linux terminal of a embebed device only accesible with this wire |
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| 20:22.11 | SA007 | meneame: ok that just use the exact same as in windows |
| 20:22.13 | BehiiMehii | How do I install the latest nVidia driver? |
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| 20:22.34 | stew | judd: versions kde-core |
| 20:22.35 | judd | stew: kde-core -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48 squeeze: 5:48 |
| 20:22.47 | stew | haxi: ^^ version 48 is in squeeze |
| 20:22.52 | SA007 | BehiiMehii: latest stable should just be in apt |
| 20:23.08 | haxi | stew: well, it is kde*-*core |
| 20:23.17 | stew | haxi: i don't know what that means |
| 20:23.17 | haxi | looks like I need "kdecore" |
| 20:23.28 | bolt | is there a way to relocate the .Xauthority file without changing the value of the $HOME variable? my home directory is on a sshfs filesystem, and whatever locking/hardlinking xorg is doing to .Xauthority doesn't work all that well |
| 20:23.32 | stew | haxi: i don't know that there has ever been such a package in debian |
| 20:23.42 | BehiiMehii | SA007, I'm a bit "noob," how do I get there? |
| 20:23.47 | SA007 | bolt: symlink? |
| 20:23.50 | haxi | http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/index.html |
| 20:23.53 | meneame | thanks guys minicom is perfect |
| 20:24.01 | ranix | judd: versions kdecore |
| 20:24.01 | judd | ranix: kdecore -- |
| 20:24.20 | ranix | haxi: how did you determine that you need a package named "kdecore" |
| 20:24.24 | SA007 | BehiiMehii: run apt-get or aptitude or something |
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| 20:24.46 | stew | haxi: you want kdelibs5-dev |
| 20:24.50 | bolt | SA007: tried, still get lots of errors about being unable to lock it. need to actually get xorg to save it somewhere else, like I can with the .ICEauthority by setting ICEAUTHORITY=/somewhereicanwrite |
| 20:24.52 | haxi | ranix: |
| 20:24.52 | haxi | Checking for C++ library kdecore... no |
| 20:24.52 | haxi | Error: KDE 4.x headers and/or libraries are missing. |
| 20:25.00 | stew | haxi: what are you tyring to compile? |
| 20:25.08 | SA007 | BehiiMehii: and search for nvidia, you're bound to find it, dont have a debian-based install nearby so can't get you an exact package name srry |
| 20:25.30 | haxi | stew: https://tools.assembla.com/svn/nixcoders/kth/trunk/ |
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| 20:25.43 | haxi | ;P |
| 20:25.44 | BehiiMehii | SA007, where/how do I search for it? |
| 20:25.55 | stew | haxi: kdelibs5-dev is the "KDE 4.x headers and/or libraries" |
| 20:26.17 | smarf | stew, the upgrade didn't help to decrease the values of cpu percentage :/ |
| 20:26.18 | SA007 | type "man apt-get" in a console and read that |
| 20:26.35 | stew | smarf: no, i believe what you are seeing is normal |
| 20:26.47 | smarf | stew, 41% ? :/ |
| 20:26.58 | haxi | steve: aptitude tells me that if I install it, it will remove kde-devel kdebase-dev kdesdk kdeutils-dev kspy libkonq4-dev, not sure it's a good idea |
| 20:27.06 | stew | SA007: that wouldn't really help him search for packages |
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| 20:27.15 | haxi | stew*. |
| 20:27.20 | stew | haxi: then don't do it |
| 20:27.24 | ranix | haxi: looks like you found something ugly |
| 20:27.30 | SA007 | bolt: if your entire homedir is somewhere else what's wrong with changing $HOME? |
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| 20:27.41 | stew | haxi: debian hasn't transitionted to kde4 in testing yet |
| 20:27.48 | haxi | probably :/ |
| 20:27.58 | SA007 | stew: mm, good point, i'm confused with gentoo's emerge |
| 20:28.14 | haxi | stew: well, it seems that somes packages (like kde package) are 4.x |
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| 20:28.41 | bolt | SA007: my homedir is at $HOME, but it's a sshfs mount, which works with normal file locking, but I think xorg is doing some hard linking on the .Xauthority file. at least that's what's supposedly happening to the .ICEauthority file, which is why having that on a sshfs filesystem is fubar |
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| 20:28.50 | stew | haxi: are you intending to beta-test the debian kde4 packages, and switch everything from kde3.5 to kde4? |
| 20:29.01 | stew | haxi: or do you just want to compile this? |
| 20:29.06 | SA007 | BehiiMehii: you have to search for it with apt-cache search <package name> |
| 20:29.15 | haxi | stew: dunno, I want to compile my program |
| 20:29.22 | stew | haxi: do it in a chroot then |
| 20:29.25 | haxi | (well it's not mine ;] ) |
| 20:29.32 | BehiiMehii | Ah all right, thank you |
| 20:29.32 | haxi | ehrm, chroot? |
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| 20:30.05 | stew | haxi: /msg dpkg chroot |
| 20:30.19 | SA007 | bolt: ok, is it important to have the .Xautority on a share? |
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| 20:30.39 | stew | haxi: actually its not like you have to change everything to kde4, the packages it wanted to remove are just development packages |
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| 20:30.57 | stew | haxi: so i don't see why you don't just install kdelibs5-dev unless you are also compiling packages for kde3 |
| 20:31.04 | bolt | SA007: not at all. what's important is not having it in my home directory, since my home directory is on sshfs. so i need it not to spawn in $HOME |
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| 20:31.19 | haxi | stew: "bloody hell" to do that. |
| 20:31.22 | SA007 | bolt: ah, now i get it |
| 20:31.30 | aryah | is there a way to find some really old debian distribution, i havent tried it, but supposedly some loki installers dont work well with contemporary libraries etc? something older than etch? |
| 20:31.42 | stew | haxi: what? |
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| 20:32.00 | haxi | stew: this is pain ! |
| 20:32.16 | SA007 | bolt: can't you change a boot script to pass a different $HOME to X |
| 20:32.19 | stew | haxi: why? |
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| 20:32.41 | haxi | stew: clearly, I don't understand what I have to do. |
| 20:32.44 | stew | aryah: http://archive.debian.org ; note that they are no longer supported, and are known to have lots of secuirty problems that nobody is fixing |
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| 20:32.48 | SA007 | bolt: or does that mess up other programs to? |
| 20:32.51 | stew | haxi: aptitude install kdelibs5-dev |
| 20:33.03 | haxi | this will fuck up everything, no? |
| 20:33.05 | haxi | ^^ |
| 20:33.15 | haxi | well at least some kde |
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| 20:33.22 | stew | haxi: what would it fuckup? |
| 20:33.28 | haxi | aptitude score is -1203 |
| 20:33.32 | haxi | :/ |
| 20:33.45 | aryah | kk, thx, I think I can use them in a chroot only , ill google it up.. |
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| 20:33.58 | stew | haxi: that score is only meaningful when compared to other solutions to the same dependency problems |
| 20:34.01 | bolt | SA007: severely :) |
| 20:34.29 | stew | haxi: what do you think would be wrong with removing those packages? |
| 20:34.30 | SA007 | bolt: not really a suprise, and probably every x program looks for ~/.Xautority |
| 20:35.08 | haxi | stew: aptitude wants to delete all these: http://rafb.net/p/7X7JRr45.html |
| 20:35.09 | SA007 | bolt: maybe it is possible to do a really ugly hack and use 2 usernames and run the windows manager under a different username from x? |
| 20:35.28 | bolt | SA007: yes, I'd need a supported way of redirecting it. i pondered actually changing the source to put it somewhere else, but as you said, most programs are probably looking for it there |
| 20:35.36 | haxi | stew: It looks like I'll fuck up something, no? P |
| 20:35.48 | stew | haxi: no |
| 20:36.02 | bolt | SA007: hm... that may be possible. i'll try and experiment with that |
| 20:36.02 | stew | haxi: not to me. aptitude is cleaning up some things that are no longer needed |
| 20:36.05 | SA007 | bolt: it is possible to run programs in an x of another user, that could be a way |
| 20:36.15 | haxi | mhh lets try then.. |
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| 20:38.12 | minerale | I'd like to see who logged in the system and when, last only gives me part of the ip, how can I get the whole ? |
| 20:38.20 | haxi | stew: I'd say "holyshit" |
| 20:38.29 | haxi | stew: thanks a lot, :) |
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| 20:39.01 | stew | minerale: /var/log/auth.log? |
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| 20:42.37 | sephii | Hello everybody. I'm looking for a way to force the DPI setting in X. I tried using the "DisplaySize" setting but it didn't change anything. Any idea on how to do that ? Thanks !! |
| 20:42.52 | stew | sephii: you can set it at runtime with xrandr |
| 20:43.03 | stew | (maybe) |
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| 20:44.11 | Tramp | sephii: http://scanline.ca/dpi/ <--- maybe one of the ways there work for you |
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| 20:44.44 | plasmac0il | There's some option (in xorg.conf) that allows xorg to accept the DPI settings specified and not use it's own |
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| 20:45.27 | sephii | stew: Tramp: Thanks I'll try these solutions |
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| 20:47.00 | Tramp | sephii: btw, I put it in /etc/X11/Xresources/x11-common (just had to search ...) |
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| 20:47.26 | Tramp | sephii: (the Xft.dpi: 96.0 is what I put there) |
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| 20:51.02 | ingo86 | hi, i have a problem sending email to some email address |
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| 20:52.04 | ingo86 | i use sendmail and i'm sending from php, inside drupal. The mail.log file reports: DSN : Data format error |
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| 20:52.26 | ssamoon | anyone using deb on a new-ish thinkpad? thinking about selling my mac to get a thinkpad loaded with deb... any issues? |
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| 20:53.43 | sephii | Tramp: It worked perfectly !! You just saved my life thank you |
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| 20:58.11 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 20:58.12 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <netbook>, <laptop mode> <suspend troubleshooting>. |
| 20:58.19 | abrotman | ssamoon: thinkwiki.org |
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| 21:04.24 | jvm_ | hi. someone here who can suggest parameters for the indent tool? |
| 21:04.30 | jvm_ | something in accordance to java coding standards would be nice. |
| 21:04.40 | enouf | KonqOut3.5.9 == 1.4kb/sec on a 15/2Mbit line ... lmao |
| 21:04.45 | abrotman | tabs to spaces! |
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| 21:05.59 | enouf | and i love seeing the "progress bar" go in reverse .. and constantly need 3x or 4x to completely load all images/page |
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| 21:07.29 | enouf | wow .. now a click just hangs .. not even progress .. stinkin babboons - who let them into our ape branch? |
| 21:07.58 | Tramp | sephii: yw. |
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| 21:09.18 | enouf | someone make me the coder/maintainer of some sort of combo browser that employs links2 + dillo and can stab anyone through the screen whom doesn't comply |
| 21:09.44 | abrotman | uh .. that doesn't make sense? |
| 21:10.13 | enouf | s/and/and where i have the ability to/ |
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| 21:10.48 | enouf | -can |
| 21:10.56 | k-man | using m-a auto-install, how can i install the 180 nvidia drivers? |
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| 21:11.13 | enouf | see /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 21:12.51 | k-man | enouf: yeah, i have looked there but theres nothing on selecting a different version of the driver that i can se |
| 21:13.21 | enouf | k-man: i'm not in the mood to hold hands, sorry |
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| 21:15.31 | dreamy | i cant find wicd when typing apt .. search |
| 21:16.07 | enouf | !info wicd lenny |
| 21:16.08 | adb | dreamy: in sid ? |
| 21:16.25 | dreamy | ive followed the instrucions to add the wicd line to the sources lsit |
| 21:16.27 | dreamy | list |
| 21:16.31 | adb | !info wicd sid |
| 21:16.38 | dreamy | adama1, how an i check if its sid ? |
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| 21:17.02 | dpkg | wicd: (wired and wireless network manager), section net, is optional. Version: 1.5.9-5 (sid), Packaged size: 249 kB, Installed size: 1852 kB |
| 21:17.02 | worr | packages.debian.org/sid/wicd |
| 21:17.08 | Pulpie | I have the banshee music player, when trying to "seek" to a new place in music it traps my mouse in this seeker bar. I cant unclick the seeker bar, thus leaving me unable to continue playing the music, i have reinstalled banshee with no help that way, other then that im out of ideas/ |
| 21:17.12 | dreamy | its a debian version i got .. the latest i think |
| 21:17.26 | abrotman | Pulpie: which version of linux? |
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| 21:17.55 | dreamy | worr, can just download the deb package? it will be fine ? |
| 21:17.55 | Pulpie | abrotman: lenny 5.0 Kernel: 2.6.26-1 |
| 21:18.14 | dreamy | strange .. ? .. it doesnt shows in apt |
| 21:18.25 | Pulpie | abrotman: oh wait actually i believe im in testing, my mistake. |
| 21:18.38 | abrotman | Pulpie: did you check the BTS? |
| 21:18.55 | Pulpie | what is BTS |
| 21:19.02 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/banshee |
| 21:19.03 | enouf | [17:17:44] [dpkg] Package 'wicd' does not exist. |
| 21:19.31 | enouf | judd: versions wicd |
| 21:19.31 | judd | enouf: wicd -- sid: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.9-1 lenny-backports: 1.5.9-5~bpo50+1 sid: 1.5.9-5 squeeze: 1.5.9-5 |
| 21:19.32 | dreamy | how can i find out if my debian is sid ? whats sid ? |
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| 21:19.51 | enouf | !+info wicd lenny-backports |
| 21:19.52 | dpkg | Package 'wicd lenny-backports' does not exist. |
| 21:20.01 | abrotman | judd: versions wicd |
| 21:20.02 | judd | abrotman: wicd -- sid: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.9-1 lenny-backports: 1.5.9-5~bpo50+1 sid: 1.5.9-5 squeeze: 1.5.9-5 |
| 21:20.02 | cromag | judd: versions irssi |
| 21:20.03 | judd | cromag: irssi -- etch: 0.8.10-2 etch-backports: 0.8.12-5~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.8.12-6 sid: 0.8.13~rc1-1 squeeze: 0.8.13~rc1-1 |
| 21:20.05 | enouf | wonderful |
| 21:20.06 | abrotman | good enough ? |
| 21:20.08 | ssamoon | abrotman: thanks |
| 21:20.19 | enouf | thanks for the echo |
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| 21:20.41 | enouf | !+info wicd --release lenny-backports |
| 21:20.43 | dpkg | Package 'wicd --release lenny-backports' does not exist. |
| 21:20.58 | Pulpie | abrotman: i just checked, no bugs like mine there, I believe I got this bug when lenny released |
| 21:21.05 | abrotman | enouf: your bot-fu is getting worse |
| 21:21.15 | enouf | and dpkg is sucking some ass |
| 21:21.28 | enouf | i want to know which SECTION! |
| 21:21.30 | abrotman | or maybe don hasn't pointed dpkg at the lenny-backports yet |
| 21:21.43 | abrotman | judd: info wicd --release lenny-backports |
| 21:21.44 | judd | abrotman: wicd (net): is optional; Version: 1.5.9-5~bpo50+1; Size: 246.9k; Installed: 1852k -- wired and wireless network manager |
| 21:21.50 | abrotman | optional! |
| 21:21.58 | enouf | main / contrib / non-free |
| 21:22.06 | enouf | optional isn't an option! |
| 21:22.09 | abrotman | i don't think things in contrib/non-free can be optional? |
| 21:22.14 | abrotman | not really sure .. never looked |
| 21:22.20 | abrotman | i'm sure it's in main though |
| 21:22.26 | abrotman | !info wicd sid |
| 21:22.31 | dpkg | wicd: (wired and wireless network manager), section net, is optional. Version: 1.5.9-5 (sid), Packaged size: 249 kB, Installed size: 1852 kB |
| 21:22.37 | enouf | main |
| 21:22.42 | dreamy | i found out why.. its because i dint do reload |
| 21:22.44 | abrotman | yeah .. it would say non-free there instead i think |
| 21:22.48 | enouf | optional is main |
| 21:23.28 | Pulpie | anyone any ideas? |
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| 21:24.41 | abrotman | Pulpie: run it from an xterm, see if you get more bugs |
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| 21:26.32 | Pulpie | abrotman: no errors, just warnings... let me pastebinit |
| 21:26.40 | foetus | hi. |
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| 21:27.02 | Pulpie | http://pastebin.ca/1379320 |
| 21:27.11 | firefox | well I exhausted my google skills... lenny+kde+ntfs-3g when I try to mount the ntfs partition from the desktop, it says permission denied.. (the kio media mount) |
| 21:27.17 | ssamoon | ugh... thinkwiki.org has me scared. why cant i get a laptopt that can run linux reliably??? |
| 21:27.40 | firefox | other laptop with same config does it flawless. |
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| 21:29.18 | firefox | oh, and I can do it from console just fine. |
| 21:29.25 | firefox | with root that is |
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| 21:32.12 | foetus | Is it normal, that sysklogd is logging messages to an non-login terminal? I have temporary disabled the "log emerg" section in /etc/syslog.conf. |
| 21:32.45 | valdyn | foetus: normal yes, im not sure if its the default |
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| 21:34.24 | foetus | messages like mount events and eth0 or eth1 status messages..even if i would leave the default settings. |
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| 21:34.51 | abrotman | Pulpie: are you sure your mono is up to date ? |
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| 21:35.19 | enouf | mononucleosis? |
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| 21:35.31 | abrotman | Pulpie: make sure your whole system is up to date .. banshee uses mono1 ... probably sohuldn't be getting verison match issues |
| 21:35.33 | foetus | no good for security reasons, imho. |
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| 21:35.44 | abrotman | Pulpie: also, maybe move your .banshee (or whatever it is) |
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| 21:37.11 | Pulpie | abrotman: my system is 100% up to date, i dont have a .banshee |
| 21:37.25 | valdyn | foetus: its commented out by default :"# *.=notice;*.=warn /dev/tty8" |
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| 21:37.40 | abrotman | it seems very unhappy about something |
| 21:37.44 | foetus | these messages are also appearing over ssh logins from a client machine (like windows too). |
| 21:37.48 | enouf | firefox: welcome to the linux scourge == udev/dbus/hal/dcop/automount/ Mpoop homogenizations and Bloated DEs |
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| 21:38.04 | valdyn | foetus: you probably broke your syslog which in turn enables default console spam logging |
| 21:39.11 | enouf | which can then be suppressed by uncommenting the line in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 21:39.44 | enouf | or /etc/default/sysklogd (?) |
| 21:40.15 | enouf | (for remote logging issues) |
| 21:40.17 | foetus | valdyn: i missed the mouse pointer, sorry..;) -- yes, the console logging is enabled on /dev/tty12. |
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| 21:40.47 | enouf | unless that also went away like a houdini act! p00f, like alsaconf has |
| 21:40.58 | somnambulant | anything in this iptables that would explain my VPS ssh connection being reset after a few minutes of idleness? http://debian.pastebin.com/m289eb6d |
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| 21:41.31 | abrotman | somnambulant: probably a router in between |
| 21:41.40 | foetus | valdyn: but i left the default settings. |
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| 21:42.45 | somnambulant | abrotman: so nothing i can do?; being caused by my VPS host's settings? |
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| 21:43.42 | halflife08 | somnambulant: you can set Keepalive setting in your ssh client and give that a shot |
| 21:43.47 | enouf | is a wanted man .. yes i am .. |
| 21:43.58 | foetus | valdyn: i have disabled the "*.emerg *" section, its a little bit suspicious to me.. |
| 21:44.06 | somnambulant | halflife08: ahhh ok cool i'll try that |
| 21:44.22 | foetus | valdyn: maybe it helps.. |
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| 21:44.59 | EtherNet | hello everybody |
| 21:45.10 | EtherNet | any way/repository for lenny to get GNOME 2.26 running? |
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| 21:48.10 | foetus | we will see..i hope it does'nt appear again. |
| 21:48.14 | streuner | judd, versions gnome-session |
| 21:48.15 | judd | streuner: gnome-session -- etch: 2.14.3-5 lenny: 2.22.3-2 squeeze: 2.22.3-2 sid: 2.22.3-3 |
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| 21:50.18 | JoeLow | hey, im in an hotel, want to watch bbc iplayer, but i need to be coming form UK IP, this ISP is swiss, can i trivally pipe |
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| 21:50.30 | JoeLow | wrong room ^ |
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| 21:52.43 | somnambulant | halflife08: this appears to be my problem: http://www.rootbsd.net/blog/freebsd-jails/ssh-session-timeout/ -- but would I also need to do the keepalive on the client end if I add those 2 lines to my sshd_config on the vps? |
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| 21:53.44 | streuner | EtherNet: Do you know what lenny is at all? |
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| 22:04.51 | halflife08 | somnambulant: having it on the client side, would prevent you from getting disconnected by routers in between and would work with other servers that have the same config |
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| 22:07.33 | halflife08 | somnambulant: it is my personal opinion, that it is the clients responsiblity to keep up the connection, than have the server waste resources in trying to keep up the connection, others can correct me if it is a wrong approach |
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| 22:24.52 | dmlb2000 | Anyway to tell apt to copy files from file:// repositories instead of symlinking them? |
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| 22:26.52 | batcoder-7 | what do you like better vlc or mplayer? |
| 22:27.17 | dmlb2000 | batcoder-7: depends on which works with the dvd I'm playing... |
| 22:27.40 | batcoder-7 | vlc is giving me issues |
| 22:30.27 | foetus | mplayer is the fastest and is good to compile. i watch dvds on an PIII500 without any problem. |
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| 22:31.01 | dmlb2000 | usually I use mplayer but I have seen some dvd's that won't play with it and will with vlc |
| 22:31.04 | dmlb2000 | kinda odd |
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| 22:31.23 | foetus | good luck. |
| 22:31.33 | foetus | :) |
| 22:31.47 | Pulpie | dmlb2000: its not odd |
| 22:32.09 | Pulpie | dmlb2000: its the DRM |
| 22:32.16 | dmlb2000 | Pulpie: well I thought both were compiled against the same libdvd* packages |
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| 22:32.27 | dmlb2000 | well the ones you get from debian-multimedia.org |
| 22:32.45 | Pulpie | oh will with vlc |
| 22:33.02 | Pulpie | hmm no i dont think its the same. |
| 22:33.22 | Pulpie | different libs |
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| 22:35.43 | dmlb2000 | Anyway to tell apt to copy files from file:// repositories instead of symlinking them? |
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| 22:36.27 | Pulpie | ... i've never seen apt symlink anything |
| 22:36.48 | dmlb2000 | yeah if you apt-get source <package> from a file:// repository it seems to symlink stuff |
| 22:37.06 | Pulpie | oh i see |
| 22:37.31 | Pulpie | you want to make hardlinks instead of softlinks |
| 22:37.44 | dmlb2000 | and when you dpkg-buildpackage after that it tends to write over the symlinked files... which is bad if its shared on nfs |
| 22:38.30 | dmlb2000 | might have to figure out a better way to share the repo maybe... just use apache or something |
| 22:38.57 | Pulpie | try it with -d |
| 22:39.05 | Pulpie | ... |
| 22:39.22 | Pulpie | theres svn, rsync, git, etc... not just repos |
| 22:39.28 | Pulpie | of course not to forget csup |
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| 22:44.11 | juho3 | heya, how do i get 75dpi fonts on Lenny? |
| 22:44.23 | juho3 | atm text seems huge and bulky |
| 22:44.33 | juho3 | so i'm guessing it's 100dpi |
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| 22:47.27 | twinkie_addict | what wm are you using xfce seems good wth its fonts here |
| 22:47.45 | juho3 | doesn't matter what i'm using really |
| 22:48.17 | juho3 | it's crap with all :P |
| 22:48.49 | Pulpie | according to the new xkcd someone is having sex with in a 250 meter radious... |
| 22:48.49 | twinkie_addict | lol |
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| 22:51.11 | Pulpie | btw im bored. |
| 22:51.36 | juho3 | ssii |
| 22:51.49 | Pulpie | huh? |
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| 22:54.29 | HeXiLeD | as i am following this : http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/public_html.html i can seem to set it with debian. has debian changed anything in the package? |
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| 22:55.25 | HeXiLeD | ups |
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| 22:56.50 | kod | can somebody help me? i have debian installed in virtualbox and i am trying to change the resolution, but xrandr won't work at all. all it gives me is "Size X not found in availible modes" |
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| 23:00.55 | karsten | Is it possible to install i386 arch packages on an amd64 system? Third-party debs, in this case, Oracle: http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/xe/htdocs/102xelinsoft.html |
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| 23:05.50 | jetscreamer | karsten: they say you can run 32bit apps in a 64bit env somehow, but i don't know how to do it |
| 23:05.53 | jetscreamer | so yes |
| 23:06.10 | jetscreamer | is still stuck on 32bit |
| 23:06.43 | jetscreamer | i've built & given away like 3 64bit boxes to my family, but my box still sucks :/ |
| 23:06.57 | jetscreamer | it's ok.. just comparatively |
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| 23:13.34 | martian67 | jetscreamer, you are aware you can run i386 debian on a 64bit processor right? |
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| 23:15.53 | dkr | my gui is a bit sluggish(e.g. delay drawing windows when switching workspace) with a fresh debian stable install. using onboard intel 845g video. xorg.log says "AIGLX error: drmMap of framebuffer failed (Invalid argument)(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering" looks like this is the cause of the sluggishness - any ideas for a workaround? |
| 23:15.56 | jetscreamer | yes, but i don't think that's what he asked.. i could be wrong |
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| 23:16.16 | dkr | found a bug posted against libgl1-mesa-glx saying the same thing but no resolution |
| 23:16.18 | jetscreamer | fix it |
| 23:16.31 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 23:16.55 | karsten | jetscreamer: :-( |
| 23:18.30 | jetscreamer | something about a 32bit subsystem |
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| 23:19.14 | karsten | jetscreamer: Yeah. |
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| 23:20.58 | jetscreamer | dkr: but it says framebuffer... would you need a kernel module loaded? i have no idea though |
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| 23:21.32 | jetscreamer | !845g |
| 23:21.37 | jetscreamer | darn |
| 23:21.38 | dkr | oh, I just remembered that xorg debconf option about using kernel framebuffer. guess I could try it |
| 23:21.50 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 23:21.54 | karsten | jetscreamer: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_10g.html |
| 23:22.09 | jetscreamer | know how to revert any changes you make before you change them dkr |
| 23:22.20 | gparent | This might seem crazy, but is there a guide to removing gnome? I want to be sure to get all of the packages related to the GUI that I'm not using |
| 23:22.27 | gparent | I installed it just in case I needed it, and turns out I don't. |
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| 23:22.35 | jetscreamer | the bot had a factoid about it once long ago |
| 23:22.49 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge gnome* wil do a lot |
| 23:22.59 | jetscreamer | there are always leftovers though |
| 23:23.10 | gparent | Still has one. I'll try it. |
| 23:23.11 | gparent | Thanks. |
| 23:23.20 | jetscreamer | programs that don't start with gnome would be missed |
| 23:23.28 | jetscreamer | apt-get autoclean |
| 23:23.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | autoremove |
| 23:23.39 | jetscreamer | first |
| 23:23.45 | jetscreamer | is that one too? |
| 23:23.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | +debfoster+deborphan :) |
| 23:23.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | *apt-get autoremove ? |
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| 23:24.12 | jetscreamer | never heard of autoremove.. that's what autoclean does, iirc |
| 23:24.22 | jetscreamer | maybe there's one now and nobody told me |
| 23:24.25 | jetscreamer | !autoclean |
| 23:24.32 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 23:24.33 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 23:24.36 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 23:24.49 | Mousey | seconds autoremove |
| 23:25.34 | jetscreamer | just uses dselect, select the gnome header, and mass 'marks for purging' all that is in the gnome category |
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| 23:26.12 | jetscreamer | dpkg remove gnome |
| 23:26.12 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly). |
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| 23:26.28 | jetscreamer | there ya go.. some |
| 23:26.49 | gparent | I'll start with gnome*, the command from the factoid selected nothing for some reason. |
| 23:27.40 | jetscreamer | dselect makes it easy |
| 23:27.42 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 23:27.50 | jetscreamer | 3 ppl still use it i think |
| 23:27.53 | gparent | apt-get will get mad if I interrupt him. |
| 23:27.54 | jetscreamer | or 2 |
| 23:27.57 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 23:28.04 | jetscreamer | never interrupt dpkg/apt |
| 23:28.20 | jetscreamer | or they will make you dpkg -a --configure |
| 23:28.25 | gparent | Yep. |
| 23:28.26 | gparent | Did that. |
| 23:28.29 | LamerC | Hello. I'm using Debian5 with Gnome. I've looking for a front-end for cdrkit but one that is very powerful (support graft points, bootable disks) |
| 23:28.30 | gparent | Worked fine thanksfully. |
| 23:29.42 | jetscreamer | deborphan et al are good too |
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| 23:31.44 | gparent | I'll run that once I'm done spring cleaning :) |
| 23:34.42 | jetscreamer | no idea, /msg dpkg search might help |
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| 23:37.25 | Brack10 | hey I'm trying to install sun-java5-jre on Etch and it says this: Package sun-java5-jre has no installation candidate |
| 23:37.28 | Brack10 | anyone know what to do? |
| 23:38.15 | jetscreamer | etch? |
| 23:38.22 | Brack10 | yeah |
| 23:38.22 | jetscreamer | why stil etch |
| 23:38.29 | Brack10 | I'm oldschool |
| 23:38.39 | Brack10 | haven't upgraded yet |
| 23:38.46 | jetscreamer | but what about java6, is it available?.. and in etch it would be in non-free i think |
| 23:38.55 | karsten | Is it ppossible to find a debootstrap target install for sarge still? That would be oldoldstable |
| 23:38.56 | jetscreamer | pdo |
| 23:38.58 | Brack10 | oh ok |
| 23:39.01 | karsten | E: Failed getting release file http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/Release |
| 23:39.10 | karsten | Attempting: $ sudo debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /d32bit http://http.us.debian.org/debian |
| 23:39.13 | Brack10 | whats the sources.list line or nonree? |
| 23:39.27 | Brack10 | nonfree* |
| 23:39.29 | jetscreamer | just add contrib non-free , after the word main |
| 23:39.38 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 23:39.39 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [etch|lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 23:40.00 | Brack10 | !non-free |
| 23:40.00 | dpkg | methinks non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 23:40.02 | jetscreamer | !find sun-java-5 etch |
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| 23:40.14 | zeta | LOL, has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? |
| 23:40.21 | jetscreamer | oh and you can check pdo too |
| 23:40.24 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 23:40.25 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 23:40.56 | jetscreamer | !lart zeta |
| 23:40.57 | dpkg | does a little 'renice 20 -u zeta' |
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| 23:43.51 | jetscreamer | yeah non-free http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=sun-java&searchon=names&suite=oldstable§ion=all |
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| 23:44.46 | jetscreamer | do aptitude update after you edit your sources.. and ALWAYS make a backup before editing anything |
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| 23:45.39 | jetscreamer | i comment the original line and copy/paste a new line |
| 23:45.48 | jetscreamer | and make backups of the files |
| 23:46.06 | jetscreamer | and then there's my .iso partition images :) |
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| 23:46.48 | jetscreamer | i found a sarge installer the other day when cleaning out a box |
| 23:46.55 | jetscreamer | and a woody too iirc |
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| 23:48.20 | cwheeler | I'm trying to get debian to connect to comcast, dhcp gives the interface an address but it doesn't get nameserver info for resolv.conf |
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| 23:49.58 | Wyzard | cwheeler: You may find the "dhcpdump" program useful, to find out whether the DHCP response actually contains nameserver info |
| 23:50.24 | cwheeler | thanks Wyzard |
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| 23:51.32 | cwheeler | what package is that in Wyzard ? |
| 23:51.48 | Wyzard | That's the name of the package |
| 23:51.56 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 23:51.56 | Wyzard | You'll need tcpdump too |
| 23:52.37 | cwheeler | apt-get is installing that |
| 23:53.17 | cwheeler | thanks |
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| 23:56.08 | cwheeler | well it appears i can just run my own nameserver |
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| 23:57.23 | Wyzard | You can, but it still needs to know about some upstream nameservers to forward requests to |
| 23:57.36 | cwheeler | that's what I thought |
| 23:57.48 | cwheeler | but it seems to be working |
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| 23:58.20 | Wyzard | Well, actually, no, you don't; you could run one that actually resolves everything on its own |
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| 23:58.30 | Wyzard | but to do that you have to make sure to keep your root hints file up to date |
| 23:58.49 | cwheeler | hmmm I haven't done that recently |
| 23:58.50 | Wyzard | and you don't get the benefit of any caching that the ISP's nameservers may do |
| 23:58.57 | cwheeler | i have anohter net |
| 23:59.07 | cwheeler | i'm setting up a new one |
| 23:59.17 | cwheeler | how do I update my root hints? |
| 23:59.23 | Wyzard | dunno offhand |
