| 00:00.09 | Wyzard | Running your own nameserver just to avoid troubleshooting a DHCP problem is overkill anyway |
| 00:00.19 | cwheeler | true |
| 00:00.42 | cwheeler | my other nameservers work dispite my neglect |
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| 00:01.13 | Wyzard | Are they resolving everything on their own? Or are they forwarding to other nameservers? |
| 00:01.43 | Wyzard | and are they being used to resolve names on the Internet, as opposed to names in your own zone that you define? |
| 00:02.00 | cwheeler | they resolve everythng on thier own and do both |
| 00:02.21 | cwheeler | apt-get is not connecting to the ftp site |
| 00:02.21 | adama1 | !fixresolvconf |
| 00:02.22 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use resolvconf and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>. |
| 00:03.09 | Wyzard | adama1: hard-coding nameservers into dhclient.conf isn't really a great solution |
| 00:03.28 | ranix | we had this problem yesterday |
| 00:03.40 | Wyzard | resolvconf is a good idea (I use it on all my systems) but you still want it to be configured dynamically based on the DHCP lease, not hard-coded |
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| 00:04.15 | cwheeler | dhcp updates resolv.conf I believe from looking at another machine |
| 00:04.18 | adama1 | I was thinking of the thing where you tell dhcpcd not to overwrite resolv.conf, thinking maybe he had done that |
| 00:04.38 | cwheeler | i haven't modified dhcpclient.conf |
| 00:04.42 | Wyzard | dhclient updates resolv.conf based on information it gets in the DHCP lease |
| 00:04.53 | adama1 | if so configured |
| 00:05.01 | Wyzard | which it is by default |
| 00:05.05 | adama1 | yes |
| 00:05.05 | cwheeler | that would appear to be the default |
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| 00:05.22 | cwheeler | i have another linux system running in a vm on my macbook and that's what it does |
| 00:05.32 | Wyzard | cwheeler: so either your ISP is not putting DNS server information into the DHCP lease, or your dhclient is configured to not put it in resolv.conf |
| 00:05.53 | cwheeler | how is it supposed to work without dns info? |
| 00:05.59 | ranix | what is "it" |
| 00:06.14 | cwheeler | dhcp and resolv.conf |
| 00:06.18 | Wyzard | If the DHCP lease doesn't provide DNS server addresses then I guess dhclient won't touch resolv.conf |
| 00:06.25 | ranix | you put a static dns server |
| 00:06.39 | ranix | i.e. append 68.9.16.30 |
| 00:06.57 | ranix | which happens to be a decent east coast domain name server |
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| 00:07.06 | Wyzard | but that shouldn't be necessary -- a consumer ISP like Comcast should be putting DNS server addresses into their DHCP leases |
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| 00:07.22 | jetscreamer | they do iirc |
| 00:07.23 | ranix | comcast are a bunch of lazy fucks |
| 00:07.25 | cwheeler | I assumed the did |
| 00:07.25 | jetscreamer | ditched comcast though |
| 00:07.34 | ranix | I wouldn't be surprised if they had a few bad dhcp servers |
| 00:07.43 | Wyzard | cwheeler: so the question you need to answer is: *does* your DHCP lease provide DNS servers? |
| 00:07.45 | cwheeler | i've noticed that but my brother got it |
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| 00:08.08 | cwheeler | yes but first i need to install dhcpdump |
| 00:08.22 | cwheeler | comcast can't even run secure mail servers |
| 00:08.27 | ranix | neither can Cox |
| 00:08.43 | ranix | I called them up last week |
| 00:08.56 | ranix | asked if they support email on any port other than 25, if they support TLS or SSL |
| 00:08.59 | ranix | they said "no" |
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| 00:09.02 | ranix | I said "are you sure?" |
| 00:09.04 | ranix | and they got mad |
| 00:09.05 | cwheeler | can apt-get download .debs? |
| 00:09.13 | ranix | "I have been here for six years and I can assure you..." |
| 00:09.18 | ranix | fuckers |
| 00:09.27 | cwheeler | how can you run email on a different port? |
| 00:09.29 | jetscreamer | -d |
| 00:09.33 | jetscreamer | apt-get -d |
| 00:09.34 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 00:09.40 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 00:09.54 | ranix | cwheeler: you can accept tcp connections for email on any port you want |
| 00:10.05 | jetscreamer | they wind up in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:10.08 | ranix | better question is how can you NOT run email on a different port |
| 00:10.19 | cwheeler | but how does the other end know to use a non-standard port? |
| 00:10.27 | ranix | because they're your customers |
| 00:10.32 | pipeline | cwheeler: they don't, you're fucked. |
| 00:10.35 | ranix | and you provide them ssl or tls |
| 00:10.40 | pipeline | cwheeler: there are commercial services that will do that for you |
| 00:10.42 | ranix | and instructions to use this port |
| 00:10.51 | Wyzard | Running email on an alternate port is just security through obscurity; I don't see much point in that |
| 00:10.51 | pipeline | cwheeler: of course, not being able to RECEIVE mail on a residential internet connection is only half the problem |
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| 00:10.58 | Wyzard | but they definitely ought to support TLS |
| 00:11.01 | jetscreamer | will rent you a mail server cheap |
| 00:11.01 | pipeline | cwheeler: most people will just not accept, or ignore, mail from residential ip blocks |
| 00:11.15 | pipeline | cwheeler: unless you have a "commercial" contract with the cable company, sending mail from your home server is a lost fucking cause |
| 00:11.22 | jetscreamer | i'l even throw in a dns server :) |
| 00:11.24 | cwheeler | my mail server on speakeasy dsl works fine |
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| 00:11.39 | pipeline | cwheeler: you would never find out if it didn't, your shit would just be silently shitcanned :D |
| 00:11.43 | ranix | Wyzard: it's not a security measure, it's to allow your customer to whom YOU ARE SELLING EMAIL SERVICE, to send email to cox via an internet connection that is NOT cox |
| 00:11.45 | cwheeler | it just won't accept connections from comcast servers on the black hole list |
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| 00:11.54 | pipeline | cwheeler: also, speakeasy is small enough that it's very possible they're not on the residential ip block list |
| 00:12.06 | cwheeler | they aren't it works fine |
| 00:12.09 | ranix | Wyzard: think for a moment what will happen if you fire up your cellular modem and try to send an email to your cox smtp server on port 25 |
| 00:12.19 | ranix | Wyzard: from a Verizon account |
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| 00:12.47 | ranix | whoops port 25? no. Blocked. can't spam from here |
| 00:12.48 | Wyzard | ranix: you authenticate to the SMTP server and it accepts your mail |
| 00:12.50 | Wyzard | is how it should work |
| 00:13.13 | ranix | Wyzard: no, because all cellular providers hard block outgoing 25 access to anything but their own mailservers to prevent spam |
| 00:13.20 | cwheeler | can you authenticate without using pop or imap first? |
| 00:13.28 | ranix | Wyzard: as does cox and comcast and Verizon land lines |
| 00:13.32 | Wyzard | OK, I see what you mean |
| 00:13.44 | Wyzard | SMTP uses a different port for SSL, doesn't it? |
| 00:13.55 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 00:13.57 | Wyzard | or is that just IMAP that I'm thinking of? |
| 00:14.00 | jetscreamer | i forget the number though |
| 00:14.02 | Wyzard | so do I |
| 00:14.06 | ranix | yeah and that would solve the problem completely but they just don't feel like supporting SSL SMTP |
| 00:14.10 | cwheeler | imap uses a diff port |
| 00:14.15 | Wyzard | It's fine to block 25 as long as the SSL one isn't blocked |
| 00:14.23 | Wyzard | I was thinking you meant completely nonstandard port numbers |
| 00:14.26 | Wyzard | That shouldn't be necessary |
| 00:14.26 | jetscreamer | yeah 8001? or is that the irc one |
| 00:14.34 | ranix | nah I just meant anything besides 25 |
| 00:14.36 | ranix | anything, literally |
| 00:14.38 | pipeline | Wyzard: yes and no |
| 00:14.40 | jetscreamer | i use it in my mail client... can't rem what it is though |
| 00:14.44 | ranix | except maybe 1337 |
| 00:14.46 | pipeline | Wyzard: both IMAP and SMTP support in-band encryption |
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| 00:14.49 | ranix | that would probably not work |
| 00:14.51 | jetscreamer | ther's a default |
| 00:14.54 | jetscreamer | there's |
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| 00:14.57 | pipeline | worr: but they also have "standard" ports for out-of-band encryption |
| 00:15.05 | pipeline | Wyzard: but they also have "standard" ports for out-of-band encryption |
| 00:15.15 | jetscreamer | s/default/standard\ port/ then |
| 00:15.34 | jetscreamer | goes away to think/concentrate |
| 00:15.35 | ranix | anyway the original rant was that Comcast has quirky DNS and DHCP servers |
| 00:15.36 | cwheeler | what's in-band vs out-of-band encryption? |
| 00:16.06 | ranix | so it wouldn't be unheard of to find one that issues bad DNS lists |
| 00:16.47 | cwheeler | apt-get seems to be having trouble connecting to ftp sites through comcast |
| 00:16.54 | Wyzard | cwheeler: out-of-band means that the encryption is set up before the protocol begins -- just by connecting to the "SSL port" you've told the server that you intend to use encryption |
| 00:16.55 | cwheeler | i'm starting to hate them already |
| 00:17.16 | Wyzard | cwheeler: in-band means that you use a command within the protocol (such as STARTTLS) to initiate the crypto |
| 00:17.23 | cwheeler | Wyzard and ssh tunnel? |
| 00:17.34 | ranix | ssh is out of band |
| 00:17.46 | Wyzard | That's out-of-band from the perspective of whatever you tunnel through it |
| 00:18.04 | cwheeler | thanks I had to know |
| 00:18.16 | ranix | it's not a horribly useful distinction |
| 00:18.20 | Wyzard | cwheeler: Switch to Verizon FiOS if you have the option |
| 00:18.27 | ranix | god don't do that |
| 00:18.36 | cwheeler | well my brother got this pos so i can blame it on him |
| 00:18.53 | n3kl | Anyone have any idea why I would be able to resove a hostname with ping but not with ssh? |
| 00:18.53 | ranix | actually it probably doesn't matter what you do |
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| 00:19.01 | Wyzard | ranix: I get more than twice the bandwidth for less money per month than I got from Comcast |
| 00:19.22 | ranix | you have basically four options; Comcast, Cox, Roadrunner, or Ma Bell in the USA |
| 00:19.31 | n3kl | charter |
| 00:19.38 | ranix | oh right there is charter |
| 00:19.42 | ranix | so 5 |
| 00:19.47 | n3kl | 10M for 25 bucks |
| 00:19.56 | ranix | up? |
| 00:20.00 | n3kl | 1 |
| 00:20.01 | streuner | poor US |
| 00:20.04 | cwheeler | speakeasy is in urban areas, they work properly |
| 00:20.06 | ranix | 10/1 is pitiful |
| 00:20.14 | n3kl | thats cable for ya |
| 00:20.29 | cwheeler | comcast was just installed today and i hate the mofos already |
| 00:20.33 | ranix | and I would love to find an area that has service from three of the providers |
| 00:20.36 | streuner | isnt comcast AOHELL? |
| 00:20.46 | ranix | time warner |
| 00:20.53 | streuner | and thats? ;-) |
| 00:21.07 | cwheeler | apt-get is having problems connecting |
| 00:21.20 | ranix | they are to AOL as Comedy Central is to mTV |
| 00:21.22 | cwheeler | this is why i quit setting up net sites for people |
| 00:21.24 | Wyzard | cwheeler: Most people use HTTP sources with apt, not FTP |
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| 00:21.44 | cwheeler | oh it's using http |
| 00:21.45 | Wyzard | cwheeler: FTP should work unless you're behind a NAT router though |
| 00:21.58 | ranix | comcast throttles ftp though |
| 00:22.06 | cwheeler | ftp works just fine with a linux nat router |
| 00:22.09 | ranix | though I think they call it "packet shaping" |
| 00:22.30 | streuner | sure, some "useful" feature... ;-) |
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| 00:22.34 | cwheeler | is hoping for a total cleansing from the big solar flare atm |
| 00:22.49 | ranix | telecom needs to be nationalized in the USA |
| 00:22.50 | Wyzard | cwheeler: Only if you have the FTP conntrack kernel module loaded |
| 00:22.55 | ranix | so do utilities |
| 00:23.06 | cwheeler | apt-get is using http |
| 00:23.17 | cwheeler | yeah right that's a myth that the gov will save us |
| 00:23.23 | cwheeler | they'd fuck it up even more |
| 00:23.48 | ranix | you have more say in who the president of the USA is than you do in who the CEO of your electric company is |
| 00:24.21 | cwheeler | at least the ceo of my elec company is trying to make a profit which requires serving customers |
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| 00:24.41 | ranix | if you think serving customers is how they make their profit you are deluded |
| 00:24.41 | cwheeler | the president of the usa has some other agenda and a problem with abuse of power |
| 00:24.51 | ranix | how many electric companies operate in your area? |
| 00:24.55 | ranix | there's only ONE in my STATE |
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| 00:25.07 | ranix | what am I going to do, threaten to switch to solar? |
| 00:25.19 | cwheeler | we have a utilities commision in this state |
| 00:25.30 | cwheeler | any problem they get it fixed, usually the next day |
| 00:25.35 | ranix | maybe I can get a generator and run it on my methane emissions after I eat a plate of buffalo chicken |
| 00:25.57 | streuner | !moo |
| 00:25.58 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 00:26.15 | ranix | anyway my rant is over |
| 00:26.20 | ranix | sorry about the !ot |
| 00:26.20 | cwheeler | friend of mine had trouble with his dsl for a year, i told him to call the utilities commision not tell me about it |
| 00:26.29 | cwheeler | he finally called and it was fixed the next day |
| 00:26.44 | cwheeler | I call the utility once then file a complaint |
| 00:26.51 | cwheeler | my stuff works perfectly |
| 00:26.59 | cwheeler | except this comcast shit |
| 00:27.33 | ranix | I had 10/1 speed internet 6 years ago |
| 00:27.33 | ranix | six |
| 00:27.48 | ranix | now I have 10/3 |
| 00:27.51 | streuner | ranix: what does this "ri.ri" stand for? |
| 00:27.54 | ranix | rhode island |
| 00:28.07 | ranix | no improvement in quality of service in 6 years |
| 00:28.08 | streuner | isnt that near NY? |
| 00:28.10 | ranix | yep |
| 00:28.20 | ranix | that's not "working perfectly" |
| 00:28.24 | ranix | that's pathetic |
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| 00:29.06 | ranix | my phone still costs $25 a month |
| 00:29.10 | ranix | and internet still $50 |
| 00:29.14 | ranix | that's not "working perfectly" |
| 00:29.19 | cwheeler | most states don't have a powerful utilities commision |
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| 00:29.21 | cwheeler | :( |
| 00:29.21 | ranix | telephones are 150 year-old technology |
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| 00:29.31 | ranix | it should have been commoditized 75 years ago |
| 00:29.38 | ranix | that's not "working perfectly" |
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| 00:29.48 | cwheeler | does comcast connectivity with parts of the net fail? |
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| 00:30.14 | ranix | occasionally you'll get outages or routing problems anywhere |
| 00:30.19 | ranix | that's not really avoidable |
| 00:30.38 | cwheeler | true but apt-get update won't work |
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| 00:30.49 | cwheeler | can't install dhcpdump |
| 00:30.51 | ranix | what server are you using? |
| 00:30.54 | ranix | you east coast? |
| 00:30.55 | Wyzard | cwheeler: I haven't used Comcast in about a year, but I don't recall having any noteworthy connectivity problems back when I did |
| 00:31.00 | Wyzard | other than the bittorrent throttling |
| 00:31.04 | cwheeler | no washington state |
| 00:31.10 | cwheeler | porn? |
| 00:31.26 | cwheeler | i throttle my own torrents to maintain a low profile |
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| 00:32.08 | ranix | try using the berkeley apt repo |
| 00:32.17 | Wyzard | I have about 90GB of CD images for free operating systems (including lenny) that I used to seed all the time |
| 00:32.17 | cwheeler | what's that? |
| 00:32.24 | ranix | sources.list? |
| 00:32.37 | cwheeler | berkeley apt repo? |
| 00:33.08 | streuner | link for berkeley's apt mirror? |
| 00:33.19 | streuner | put that into your sources.list |
| 00:33.33 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 00:33.57 | streuner | !mirrors |
| 00:33.57 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 00:34.09 | ranix | http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/ |
| 00:35.17 | n3kl | So if I do --get-selections > file, to restore that installed packages would I just --set-selections < file? |
| 00:35.20 | ranix | I use either plain old debian.org or mit.edu |
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| 00:35.33 | streuner | !debian clone |
| 00:35.34 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup> |
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| 00:35.56 | streuner | mit is MIT :-) |
| 00:36.10 | n3kl | streuner: thanks, dselect-upgrade is the key there |
| 00:36.20 | streuner | but berkeley seems to be a secondary mirror |
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| 00:36.41 | ranix | it's enough for him to get one package that didn't get changed in a long time |
| 00:36.55 | streuner | sure, pdo should be enough |
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| 00:40.40 | elik | The more I read about NFS, the more it seems I should stay away from it... but he only other thing I can tink about is SAMBA, which does seem much better.... |
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| 00:41.28 | dkr | sshfs? :) |
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| 00:42.25 | elik | dkr, is that the way to go nowadays??? |
| 00:43.17 | dkr | depends on what problem you are trying to solve. I use both nfs and samba actually |
| 00:43.23 | cwheeler | comcast appears to have blocked ping too |
| 00:43.40 | elik | dkr, trying to make my mp3 collection available to other computers |
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| 00:44.16 | streuner | locally? and only unix? just use NFS |
| 00:44.20 | dkr | well, if the other computers are *nix then nfs, if they are windows use samba, if apple then netatalk, etc. :) |
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| 00:45.15 | elik | As a matter of fact, all 3 of those will be accessing, eventually |
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| 00:45.31 | elik | I guess I can just set them up on that dir in the mean time... |
| 00:45.35 | dkr | there is no rule against using more than one to share the same files |
| 00:45.44 | elik | dkr, a'ight |
| 00:46.03 | streuner | april joke? :-) |
| 00:46.05 | elik | dkr, so I guess if it was something like you home dir, you'd use sshfs to secure infos |
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| 00:46.14 | streuner | from cafuego, as usual :-) |
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| 00:46.28 | elik | streuner, what's that? |
| 00:46.31 | dkr | elik: yeah, stuff you want to be sure is private |
| 00:46.38 | cafuego | shaddap, fascist. |
| 00:46.45 | streuner | haha |
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| 00:53.41 | jetscreamer | nfs is great on a local network w/o internet |
| 00:54.03 | streuner | elik: April Fools' Day |
| 00:54.28 | jetscreamer | between trusted machines |
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| 00:58.57 | elik | streuner, what where when? |
| 00:58.59 | jetscreamer | ok so why is iceweasel in sid all of a sudden unable to find my local homepage, when it has had no trouble before? |
| 00:59.01 | elik | jetscreamer, that's the case |
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| 01:00.07 | jetscreamer | this is when it loads/starts up... clicking the home button works |
| 01:00.33 | jetscreamer | and pasting the file:///location works too |
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| 01:01.29 | jetscreamer | aha it's truncating /home |
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| 01:01.52 | jetscreamer | Iceweasel can't find the file at /debstart/lindex.html |
| 01:02.09 | streuner | * cafuego hat die Verbindung getrennt ("K-lined") |
| 01:02.09 | streuner | <streuner> april joke? :-) |
| 01:02.16 | Joelito | hi all |
| 01:02.23 | jetscreamer | this is in the addressbar though at the same time ... file://home/debstart/lindex.html |
| 01:02.34 | streuner | elik: ^^^^ |
| 01:02.39 | Joelito | a good app to make animated GIFs from some jpg or png imgs |
| 01:02.41 | Joelito | ? |
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| 01:02.52 | jetscreamer | gimp can do it |
| 01:02.54 | streuner | gimp? |
| 01:03.00 | jetscreamer | no idea what's best though |
| 01:03.08 | dkr | yeah, gimp has some nifty tools for it, can even optimize the size |
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| 01:03.29 | Joelito | really? :| |
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| 01:03.58 | jetscreamer | actually, no clicking the home button does not work |
| 01:04.17 | jetscreamer | it's set properly in the preferences, though |
| 01:04.27 | Gr33n3gg | Installing Lenny right now as a dual boot system, should I go with GRUB or NTLDR? |
| 01:05.08 | elik | streuner, sorry, I had no idea what k-lined meant... now I know |
| 01:05.21 | Joelito | Gr33n3gg: if there's a windows version preinstalled |
| 01:05.28 | Joelito | you get grub |
| 01:05.37 | streuner | elik: it means that you banned of the whole server... |
| 01:05.46 | Gr33n3gg | Joelito: Alright, thanks. |
| 01:05.52 | elik | streuner, yup, just picked it up :) |
| 01:06.32 | jetscreamer | k i had it 'use current page' and it works now |
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| 01:31.13 | limaunion | hi, am i the only one having problems with the current version of vlc (0.9.8a-3) from the testing branch ? i keep getting segmentation faults. |
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| 01:48.07 | octoserver | is lenny out yet? |
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| 01:48.31 | octoserver | or, i guess I dont care since I am using testing repos anyway? |
| 01:48.50 | m0se5 | octoserver: yes |
| 01:49.37 | octoserver | why on the website in the download area I dont really see anything saying "lenny" ? |
| 01:49.46 | pickcoder | octoserver: you should be using a named repos unless you want a constantly moving target |
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| 01:51.07 | octoserver | ive been using teating for the last year or so lol |
| 01:51.24 | octoserver | testing* |
| 01:51.31 | pickcoder | octoserver: and that's fine it don't care about pulling in bugs |
| 01:51.43 | pickcoder | s/fine it/fine if you |
| 01:52.15 | octoserver | yea, i dont mind, debian testing is more stable than most of the other distros anyway lol |
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| 01:54.13 | Joelito | Hi all :) |
| 01:54.33 | Joelito | I'm using debian with fluxbox...how do I use compiz as default window manager? |
| 01:54.43 | Joelito | is there a tutorial about it :) |
| 01:54.48 | octoserver | crap, im not using testing for anything other than multimedia |
| 01:55.12 | spook00 | compiz + fluxbox? |
| 01:55.13 | octoserver | i was using lenny, is there a new name for "lenny", now that lenny is released? |
| 01:55.16 | spook00 | that'd be weird |
| 01:55.40 | octoserver | i mean a new name for my reepos |
| 01:55.46 | pickcoder | octoserver: squeeze is the next release |
| 01:56.05 | Joelito | spook00: I'm trying to use compiz instead. |
| 01:56.11 | dkr | !compiz |
| 01:56.11 | octoserver | ahhhh :) squeeze it is then, i can just change them all over right? |
| 01:56.11 | dpkg | it has been said that compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/, #compiz @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:56.41 | pickcoder | I have no idea. I've not even looked at the repos for testing since Lenny released |
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| 01:57.13 | nsadmin | what do you run now |
| 01:57.55 | twinkie_addict | to the guy asking about vlc segfaulting i just installed it and it works fine for me |
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| 01:59.34 | cooky | Hi |
| 01:59.39 | twinkie_addict | hi |
| 01:59.41 | cooky | I hope, I will get help |
| 01:59.50 | cooky | I'm really confised at the moment |
| 02:00.05 | twinkie_addict | whats the issue |
| 02:00.06 | octoserver | where did dpkg go ? |
| 02:00.14 | cooky | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.24 | octoserver | oh its still there |
| 02:00.46 | cooky | I entered the user in visudo and normally the nagios should be alliowed to execute |
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| 02:01.01 | cooky | nagios pluto22=(root) NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/postfix |
| 02:01.09 | twinkie_addict | lol octoserver i was going to say i thought that was a standard debian thing and should be there lol |
| 02:01.20 | cooky | Is my command, but this does'nt work, ... anybody an idea? |
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| 02:01.30 | octoserver | i meant the bot lol |
| 02:01.35 | octoserver | who is debhelper? |
| 02:01.38 | twinkie_addict | oh |
| 02:01.40 | twinkie_addict | :) |
| 02:01.43 | octoserver | lol |
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| 02:03.30 | cooky | no idea? |
| 02:03.45 | octoserver | is there a list of repos for debian, i asked dpkg but i must have asked wrong sorry |
| 02:04.09 | pickcoder | cooky: um you don't need (root) |
| 02:04.16 | dkr | cooky: perhaps you should better define what "doesn't work" means. error message? |
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| 02:04.31 | pickcoder | nagios pluto22 = NOPASSWD: /path/to/bin |
| 02:04.50 | dkr | !tell octoserver about mirrors |
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| 02:05.29 | octoserver | thanks |
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| 02:11.03 | octoserver | i just changed them all to update so i dont care what the next one is called lol |
| 02:11.13 | octoserver | ops, i mean changed them to testing |
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| 02:11.25 | octoserver | time for bed, brain is failing |
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| 02:12.55 | octoserver | dude, dpkg is funny bot. someone took a while to fill it with good answers to a lot of stupid questions hah |
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| 02:13.37 | cooky9587 | sed: cannot read /var/spool/postfix/pid/master.pid : no permission |
| 02:14.06 | cooky9587 | I think, I need root to execute the init.d scripts postfix and dovecot |
| 02:14.52 | elik | If I didn't change my repository, what can cause errors of keys when installing packages? |
| 02:15.15 | elik | Other than an attack |
| 02:15.47 | nsadmin | you didn't get the key from the key server and feed it to apt-key |
| 02:16.05 | cooky9587 | elik: You don't execute apt-get update? |
| 02:16.08 | elik | nsadmin, well, that is normally done at install time, no? |
| 02:16.22 | nsadmin | not sure |
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| 02:16.45 | elik | nsadmin, and can later be "solved" by aptitude install debian-keyring |
| 02:17.25 | elik | cooky9587, you... were... right... :P |
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| 02:17.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | cooky9587, yes, you need root to start services |
| 02:17.54 | elik | cooky9587, so, basically, repo synced between now and my last update? so signatures didn't match??? |
| 02:18.55 | cooky9587 | Kamping_Kaiser: I know, that I need root, I entered the user and the commands in sudoers, but I cannot execute with user (nagios) |
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| 02:19.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | cooky9587, thats not enough info to debug with :) |
| 02:19.39 | cooky9587 | Kamping_Kaiser:Can it be, that sudoers is not for system user? I don't think, that the user needs a console |
| 02:19.51 | cooky9587 | Kamping_Kaiser: sed: cannot read /var/spool/postfix/pid/master.pid : no permission |
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| 02:20.23 | cooky9587 | Kamping_Kaiser: nagios *servername*=(root) NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/postfix |
| 02:20.57 | cooky9587 | Kamping_Kaiser: debian testing |
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| 02:22.21 | cooky9587 | I really googled around and don't want to say, that I'm a beginner, the command should work, but does not |
| 02:22.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | cooky9587, tried using `sudo -u <username to move to> <command>'? |
| 02:22.53 | cooky9587 | Yes, the error message as above |
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| 02:23.32 | cooky9587 | Kamping_Kaiser: sudo -u nagios /etc/init.d/postfix restart |
| 02:23.45 | godlygeek | hm. is bugs.debian.org down? |
| 02:23.58 | cooky9587 | Kamping_Kaiser: sed: cannot read /var/spool/postfix/pid/master.pid: no permission |
| 02:24.16 | cooky9587 | Kamping_Kaiser: really really strange |
| 02:24.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | godlygeek, i cant reach it. |
| 02:24.36 | elik | godlygeek, can't get to it either... |
| 02:24.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | cooky9587, i'm about to head off, so i cant help you with it sorry :( |
| 02:24.57 | cooky9587 | Kamping_Kaiser: thaks |
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| 02:25.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | cooky9587, good luck |
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| 02:25.17 | cooky9587 | Anybody else who has a solution for the sudo problem? |
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| 02:25.45 | godlygeek | cooky9587: ls -l /var/spool/postfix/pid/master.pid |
| 02:26.12 | cooky9587 | -rw------- 1 root root 17 14. Mär 15:11 /var/spool/postfix/pid/master.pid |
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| 02:27.08 | cooky9587 | But with the sudo entry, I execute the command /etc/init.d/postfix as root .... and as root myself, the command runs well |
| 02:27.13 | ghang | hi, how to reconfigure the apt-get source from lenny DVD2-5 ? |
| 02:27.31 | konr | Guys, there are two sound cards in my computer. How can I disable one from detection? |
| 02:27.33 | godlygeek | cooky9587: sudo kill `cat /var/spool/postfix/pid/master.pid`; sudo rm /var/spool/postfix/pid/master.pid; sudo -u nagios /etc/init.d/postfix restart |
| 02:27.40 | cooky9587 | ghang: What do you mean by reconfigure? |
| 02:28.46 | adb | cooky: look at date of this pid : Mär 15:11 ... |
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| 02:29.19 | ghang | cooky9587 : i have install lenny amd64 with DVD1 without checking all cdrom/dvd options , and that make my /etc/apt/source.list only have lenny DVD1, and i don't know how to add DVD2-5 into apt-get list , i just add address (cdrom) but fail to refresh. |
| 02:29.35 | cooky9587 | regular file »etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt« cannot be created: No permission |
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| 02:30.36 | cooky9587 | ghanh: I think, that the DVD1 know itself of DVD2, doesn't the apt-command or whatelöse knows all packages? |
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| 02:31.17 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.40 | cooky9587 | adb: what do you mena by look at date? |
| 02:31.41 | godlygeek | cooky9587: chown that file from root to nagios, then try the /etc/init.d command again |
| 02:31.55 | cooky9587 | But why??? |
| 02:32.01 | ghang | cooky9587: for example i want to install some files from other DVD but it say there is no source on list |
| 02:32.07 | godlygeek | cooky9587: because you ran it as root at some point. |
| 02:32.15 | ghang | adb: thanks , i will try and see , come back soon everyone |
| 02:32.20 | godlygeek | cooky9587: and that made root-owned files that 'nagios' can't overwrite. |
| 02:32.33 | cooky9587 | There is look rotate and manny more programs which executes a /etc/init.d/postfix reload |
| 02:32.51 | cooky9587 | But why do I include the command in sudoers? |
| 02:32.52 | ghang | acb: thanks ! it looks work!! |
| 02:33.01 | ghang | cooky9587: thanks too |
| 02:33.06 | adb | np |
| 02:33.23 | cooky9587 | Including it should make the command run as root, and root can execute .... |
| 02:33.27 | godlygeek | cooky9587: so that you can run it without needing a password. |
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| 02:33.58 | godlygeek | no... you said nagios can run it without needing a password, not that root can. |
| 02:35.13 | cooky9587 | I said, nagios can run it as root without needing a password?! |
| 02:35.36 | godlygeek | no. you said any user can run it as nagios without needing a password |
| 02:36.18 | cooky9587 | nagios *server*=(root) NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/postfix |
| 02:36.35 | cooky9587 | But hte (root) means as user root, I think, if I look into man |
| 02:37.03 | cooky9587 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.03 | cooky9587 | Then user dgb is now allowed to run /bin/ls as operator, but /bin/kill and /usr/bin/lprm as root. |
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| 02:37.11 | cooky9587 | This is from the original manual ... |
| 02:37.22 | martinmdp | hi All |
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| 02:38.19 | godlygeek | cooky9587: oh, you're right, i misread. |
| 02:38.28 | cooky9587 | godlygeek: thanks |
| 02:38.39 | cooky9587 | godlygeek: Any idea? |
| 02:39.00 | cooky9587 | godlygeek: should I reinstall package? But I don't think, this wil change |
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| 02:39.05 | martinmdp | sorry for the question, but im trying since a mont to do apt-get upgrade and always obtain 0 packages, 0 updates ... is it ok?? |
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| 02:39.14 | cooky9587 | I have the problem on 3 servers |
| 02:39.15 | gparent | do apt-get update first |
| 02:39.17 | godlygeek | but then, don't you need sudo -u nagios "sudo /etc/init.d/postfix restart" or some such? |
| 02:39.19 | luckylucy | how can i go about diagnosing rsyslog. i lost my samba logging? |
| 02:39.42 | cooky9587 | martinmdp: Please paste one line of your /etc/apt/sources.conf |
| 02:40.15 | pickcoder | cooky9587: postfix uses chroots on Debian so I'm not sure if sudo is going to work |
| 02:40.23 | pickcoder | the start tag creates a chroot |
| 02:40.30 | pickcoder | then it runs start-stop-daemon |
| 02:41.01 | martinmdp | cooky9587: sources.list ? |
| 02:41.14 | cooky9587 | martinmdp: yes |
| 02:41.17 | godlygeek | pickcoder: why would that stop sudo from working? all sudo will affect is the user running it... |
| 02:41.30 | pickcoder | the sudoer is for the init script |
| 02:41.33 | pickcoder | not all of the stuff it calls |
| 02:41.39 | cooky9587 | OK, I think, now you understand my problem ;-) |
| 02:41.40 | adb | martinmdp: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:41.56 | pickcoder | if it was a binary then things would be different |
| 02:42.01 | godlygeek | pickcoder: if it calls a program that isn't setuid, it will get the uid of the user who ran the init script... right? |
| 02:42.07 | pickcoder | sure |
| 02:42.13 | pickcoder | so I guess it's working right now? |
| 02:42.29 | cooky9587 | No, it i not working |
| 02:42.34 | pickcoder | can you chroot to /var/spool/postfix as nagios? |
| 02:42.54 | martinmdp | cooky9587: sources.list: deb http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 02:43.08 | godlygeek | cooky9587: did you try sudo -u nagios "sudo /etc/init.d/postfix restart" |
| 02:45.21 | cooky9587 | godlygeek: yes, I tried, but this is a wrong syntax, I know, before trying, but traying also failed |
| 02:45.34 | pickcoder | I would recommend a cron job that checks for nagios services restart requests ever 60 seconds. Then have nagios call a script that creates a restart request for postfix. |
| 02:45.50 | pickcoder | that way you're not passing control to the nagios user directly |
| 02:45.56 | godlygeek | cooky9587: i don't understand what you mean... that's valid syntax. |
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| 02:47.04 | cooky9587 | martinmdp: oldstable, or etch - the released Debian 4.0r7. |
| 02:47.17 | cooky9587 | martinmdp: sorry, wrong line |
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| 02:48.05 | cooky9587 | martinmdp: I work on testing, but I think, this is not normal |
| 02:48.22 | cooky9587 | apt-get update; apt-get upgrade brings 0 packages? |
| 02:48.45 | karikari | hi, anyone here who has set up sbnc in lenny? seem to have trouble logging in as the first user (and not finding out how to get that password prompt again)? |
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| 02:49.01 | cooky9587 | godlygeek: I don't think, because adding the init to the sudoers let the script execute as root |
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| 02:49.18 | cooky9587 | godlygeek: Why to change to root as root !? |
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| 02:52.03 | cooky9587 | pickcoder: So you think, I shall create some file, if there is a restart request and then search with cron for the file |
| 02:52.16 | godlygeek | cooky9587: i *think* that "sudo -u nagios /etc/init.d/postfix restart" checks if $USER is allowed to run the script as nagios without a password - and he isn't. then, the script runs as nagios. |
| 02:52.25 | cooky9587 | pickcoder: yes, this is a way and a solution, nbut not a nice one |
| 02:52.52 | Chicago | Is the Java Cryptography Extension a package in Debian? I am a novice with Debian, and don't know the proper way to install the Sun Unlimited Strength Jurisdiction Policy Files. |
| 02:53.26 | godlygeek | cooky9587: and i think that su'ing to nagios first, and then running "sudo /etc/init.d/postfix restart" checks if nagios is allowed to run the script as root without a password, and he is, so the script runs as root. |
| 02:54.21 | cooky9587 | godlygeek: But the command always fails |
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| 03:00.19 | cooky | godlygeek: You are right |
| 03:00.33 | cooky | But the "" were too much |
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| 03:00.58 | cooky | godlygeek: I will never say anything else than you are right ;-) |
| 03:01.15 | cooky | godlygeek: Thanks a lot, you solved my sleep in future ... |
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| 03:14.56 | MikeSmith | help.. "Package apache-common is not available" |
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| 03:16.34 | joaop | hi, im looking for a simple network manager (wireless too) to use in gnome, somebody told me that ubuntu have some installed by default installation, somebody can help me ? |
| 03:16.53 | tonsofpcs | network-manager is the ubuntu one, not sure if deb has it |
| 03:17.09 | karikari | propably looking for NetworkManager |
| 03:17.14 | tonsofpcs | well, network-manager-gnome to be specific |
| 03:17.16 | karikari | shipped with debian default |
| 03:17.29 | karikari | tonsofpcs, that is the front end |
| 03:17.31 | tonsofpcs | karikari: yup, that's the 'ubuntu' one |
| 03:18.01 | tonsofpcs | karikari: that's the package that will set it up and install all the depends and make life easier for joaop :) |
| 03:18.15 | karikari | okok |
| 03:18.23 | karikari | it came with my default gnome installation |
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| 03:18.41 | tonsofpcs | I actually dislike it since it fights for control, but for simple networking it's fine |
| 03:18.46 | tonsofpcs | I used it for a year or so |
| 03:19.00 | karikari | yeah, /etc/network/interfaces here : ) |
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| 03:19.58 | miksuh | tonsofpcs: network-manager has nothing to do with ubuntu, and yep Debian has it |
| 03:20.05 | miksuh | Etch already did have it |
| 03:20.09 | miksuh | and lenny too. |
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| 03:20.54 | joaop | i installed network-manager-gnome, the program im looking for is 'network-config' or 'network-admin' ? no one of these looks like what i mean |
| 03:22.21 | tonsofpcs | miksuh: really? because i see it in my ubuntu repos. (-5 troll to you, good night :) ) |
| 03:22.22 | karikari | in gnome there is propably an icon up in the right corner that should handle most configuration |
| 03:22.39 | karikari | tonsofpcs, wikipedia networkmanager, originally a redhad project |
| 03:22.55 | miksuh | teni meant that it is not ubunu specific, every damn distro uses it |
| 03:23.14 | miksuh | I meant that it is not ubuntu specific, every damn distro uses it |
| 03:23.15 | joaop | on connection properties 'configure' is disable, wierd |
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| 03:23.26 | wamty | an apt-get install php5 is installing version 5.2.0-8 in production, but 5.2.6 locally. How can I force production to install 5.2.6? |
| 03:23.26 | twinkie_addict | hes right it VERY standard |
| 03:23.28 | joaop | im looking for this program.. https://wiki.thayer.dartmouth.edu/download/attachments/10256864/F8_NMAppletSelectWirelessNet.png |
| 03:24.05 | miksuh | tonsofpcs: and it was not developed for the ubuntu only |
| 03:24.53 | joaop | hm got it, nm-applet |
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| 03:31.19 | hark | wamty: is your production etch or lenny? |
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| 03:38.56 | jester__ | is there a way to fine out how cheese is getting images from my webcam? cheese works fine but vlc cant even connect |
| 03:39.37 | gh0st3r | ive got a new debian vps, and im wondering if there is any benefit in installing the apps from source instead of from the apt-get repo? |
| 03:40.50 | jester__ | gh0st3r, you can customize them but unless you really need to compile yourself binary apt is pretty much the only thing you need |
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| 03:41.06 | gh0st3r | jester__, i only have 512mb of ram on this server... |
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| 03:41.32 | gh0st3r | jester__, except for apt-get install apache2.... and apt-get'ing all of the packages, any major performance mods i should make to support the 512mb ram? |
| 03:41.35 | jester__ | or making your own packages but once again compile once into a binary.deb and its much easier |
| 03:42.15 | jester__ | dont use apache unless you need it :) same thing with a database |
| 03:42.27 | nkuttler | gh0st3r: or use something like thttpd |
| 03:42.33 | gh0st3r | whys that? |
| 03:42.51 | nsadmin | 512 mb? :) |
| 03:42.52 | jester__ | apache uses a lot more ram than other httpd s |
| 03:43.27 | nsadmin | doesn"t it depend on how it's configured? |
| 03:43.36 | gh0st3r | i see |
| 03:43.42 | jester__ | lighttpd is a good easy to configure alternative, some people say it has memory leaks but i havnt noticed any |
| 03:43.48 | gh0st3r | whats the recommendation then? |
| 03:43.54 | gh0st3r | lighttpd |
| 03:44.30 | jester__ | i say lighttpd but you should test it out yourself, of course if you dont want to use it dont |
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| 03:45.33 | gh0st3r | is it hard to set up like virtual hosts with lighttpd? |
| 03:45.38 | simonrvn | lighty r0x |
| 03:45.54 | simonrvn | gh0st3r: nope |
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| 03:46.05 | simonrvn | less typing for one thing ;) |
| 03:46.09 | gh0st3r | simonrvn, awesome... |
| 03:46.20 | simonrvn | --> #lighttpd |
| 03:46.43 | jester__ | yea the config file is easy under 100 lines while apaches is like 1500 or something |
| 03:47.02 | simonrvn | ran apache for years |
| 03:47.55 | simonrvn | i ran apache on less than 512 MB... |
| 03:48.24 | gh0st3r | simonrvn, which do you reckon is better? |
| 03:49.00 | jester__ | so have i but to save more for other services lighttpd might be better. |
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| 03:49.57 | jester__ | if your so worried about what is better gh0st3r try a few diffrent ones out, go on their websites and see what features they have and what ever ones support all your needs try them and what ever one you like better use it |
| 03:50.11 | jester__ | 512 isnt all that low depending on what your trying to run |
| 03:50.44 | TheMadRussian | Im wanting to do a preseeding install, so should I get the generated preseed.cfg from a fresh debian install? |
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| 03:51.46 | jester__ | dpkg tell TheMadRussian about preseed |
| 03:52.23 | simonrvn | gh0st3r: depends on your needs. if you need full webdav (or svn anon. via http) you'll need to stick with apache, otherwise it's up to you. i build my own lighty debs from svn trunk/1.4.x |
| 03:52.48 | simonrvn | jester__: 512 is better than 320 ;) |
| 03:53.00 | gh0st3r | simonrvn, im looking at just hosting basic websites and such... |
| 03:53.06 | gh0st3r | bit of php functionality but nothing full apce |
| 03:53.08 | gh0st3r | pace* |
| 03:53.23 | gh0st3r | drupal, wordpress and such |
| 03:53.40 | simonrvn | lighty does php and such via fast cgi |
| 03:53.56 | gh0st3r | aweosme |
| 03:53.57 | jester__ | lighttpd works fine for that and is pretty quick with php |
| 03:54.01 | gh0st3r | im happy with that :) |
| 03:54.08 | simonrvn | (or plain cgi, but fcgi is nicer for that) |
| 03:54.08 | gh0st3r | i guess its lighttpd |
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| 03:54.33 | jester__ | now we wait for a long time apache user to come in and say apache can be better if you configure it perfectly |
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| 03:55.19 | jester__ | and im not dissing apache, it has its purpose but i just dont need it and havnt for a long time |
| 03:55.27 | simonrvn | gh0st3r: (from top) 20 0 66248 5764 59m 0.0 1.8 4:52.82 www-data S XXXXX XXXXX /usr/sbin/lighttpd -f /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf |
| 03:56.48 | simonrvn | i have mod_memcache built, which bloats it intentionally (caches files in memory, which speeds it up even more) |
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| 03:56.48 | jester__ | w00t thats a good netsplit |
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| 03:58.20 | jester__ | 300 people? |
| 03:58.31 | gh0st3r | jester__, i dont care enough to config it properly |
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| 03:58.56 | simonrvn | i had a good conf going with apache, but the fact that lighty splits out the php to fcgi lets the php crap run in a threaded server.... |
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| 03:59.03 | simonrvn | imo, it saves resources |
| 03:59.53 | simonrvn | there's a couple things i'd do differently, but for the most part i find lighty easier to get going quickly. |
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| 04:03.00 | simonrvn | !wb netsplitters |
| 04:03.01 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! netsplitters has returned! |
| 04:03.18 | simonrvn | heh, "has" |
| 04:04.05 | aragorn29 | anyone know of a good book of ldap on debian? |
| 04:04.15 | aragorn29 | or tutorial for noobs =) |
| 04:04.55 | karikari | hah, ldap is my everyday nightmare |
| 04:05.10 | simonrvn | http://www.openldap.org/ ;) |
| 04:05.24 | simonrvn | they have a faq, docs, etc. good stuff |
| 04:05.54 | aragorn29 | ok ty =) |
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| 04:09.59 | aragorn29 | i dont understand =( |
| 04:10.19 | kriebz | LDAP? no one understands LDAP |
| 04:10.28 | aragorn29 | isnt there something more ... easy explained? |
| 04:10.32 | aragorn29 | hahaha |
| 04:10.34 | kriebz | no |
| 04:10.37 | kriebz | it's quite complicated |
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| 04:10.40 | aragorn29 | =( |
| 04:10.57 | kriebz | rummages |
| 04:12.11 | kriebz | aragorn29: what are you trying to do with it? |
| 04:12.55 | aragorn29 | just learn it |
| 04:13.08 | kriebz | oh... |
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| 04:13.59 | kriebz | well, the OpenLDAP server package is called slapd |
| 04:14.09 | kriebz | the installation asks you some questions |
| 04:14.13 | kriebz | then starts your server |
| 04:14.19 | kriebz | then you add whatever you want |
| 04:14.22 | kriebz | it's freeform |
| 04:14.51 | kriebz | and then sacrifice goats and doves so that other apps actually talk to it in a meaningful way |
| 04:14.56 | aragorn29 | what i dont get is the dc, c, ou, o ... |
| 04:15.02 | aragorn29 | i dont get it =( |
| 04:15.11 | kriebz | it's really dumb, imo |
| 04:15.19 | aragorn29 | lol |
| 04:15.21 | kriebz | rumages again |
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| 04:16.22 | melik | does debian 5 support ext4? |
| 04:16.33 | kriebz | aragorn29: have you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Directory_Access_Protocol |
| 04:17.37 | kriebz | melik: it appears that out of the box, no it does not |
| 04:18.03 | melik | dang my home partition is ext4 :( |
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| 04:18.43 | aragorn29 | ya, may be i should start using it instead of reading =) |
| 04:19.01 | kriebz | melik: then you're playing around with new stuff were you shouldn't |
| 04:19.13 | kriebz | aragorn29: this might be almost up-to-date http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/585 |
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| 04:19.30 | thimothy8 | Hey guys, anyone can go here http://www.johnsrevenge.com/?id=2d34e5e07110724e906a5366a78ca33d this is not virus or anything =) kind of interesting. ;) |
| 04:19.48 | aragorn29 | cool ty kriebz |
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| 04:21.36 | kriebz | hahha |
| 04:21.40 | kriebz | spammer got kicked |
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| 04:48.25 | \3TATUK | Does anyone know how to use firestarter to share the internet connection to TWO separate output NICs (three nics total) |
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| 04:51.15 | illikawn | can someone help me get my mic boost working? I dont see an option and I get no sound. :( |
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| 04:51.37 | illikawn | its a VIA HD soundcard on the 780V AMD |
| 04:51.49 | twinkie_addict | hi i have a intel 945GM and trying to get dri to work i ran Xorg -configure cp it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf then uncoment option "DRI" and set it to "True" but is still dont get full corect redering in some 3d games and i dont seen to have glgears or glxinfo installed and cant get apt to get them to see if direct rending is active |
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| 04:54.23 | brand0con | anyone used Envy to get nvidia drivers on debian? |
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| 04:55.59 | \3TATUK | twinkie_addict: su -c "aptitude install mesa-utils" |
| 04:56.02 | \3TATUK | (for glxgears) |
| 04:56.15 | twinkie_addict | ok |
| 04:56.22 | \3TATUK | brand0con: You shouldn't need them with Lenny.. just use nvidia-glx |
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| 04:57.05 | brand0con | i only ask because im trying to run cs:s via wine and its saying ill need drivers |
| 04:57.08 | brand0con | might not be the case |
| 04:57.42 | \3TATUK | well it does use opengl so you will need to have that working |
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| 04:58.52 | twinkie_addict | ok cool glxgears works |
| 04:59.02 | brand0con | thanks for the advice, i may or may not return |
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| 05:00.53 | ryanCH | does lenny, start desktop effects automatically .. or do you have to install them manually? |
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| 05:02.41 | twinkie_addict | and glxinfo says direct rendering yes :) thanks |
| 05:03.06 | illikawn | its not that I was looking for problems with my soundcard |
| 05:03.21 | illikawn | lots of soundcards dont have boost for mix |
| 05:03.22 | illikawn | mic |
| 05:03.53 | illikawn | and i was gonna have sum phun with ekiga tonite |
| 05:04.31 | illikawn | or even skype |
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| 05:08.06 | illikawn | what a friggin burn |
| 05:08.35 | mrkris | what nameserver do you all use? I haven't used mara in years, and have pretty much used bind9 |
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| 05:13.07 | bpun | i followed usrsharedoc's for setting compiz on.. i get this error (last line of file) /usr/bin/compiz: line 393: 6082 Segmentation fault ${COMPIZ_BIN_PATH}${COMPIZ_NAME} $COMPIZ_OPTIONS "$@" $COMPIZ_PLUGINS |
| 05:14.20 | gh0st3r | if i have a backup secondary mx record that points to a linux server hosting a postfix mail server, and then my primary mx record points to an exchange server, whats the easiest way, when the exchange server goes down and the emails are collected via the postfix server, to collect the mail from the postfix server when the exhcange server comes back up? |
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| 05:17.25 | nsadmin | gh0st3r: I'm guessing here, but would it be easier to not run exchange? |
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| 05:20.00 | gh0st3r | nsadmin, i wish...! |
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| 05:20.18 | gh0st3r | nsadmin, we are meant to be a windows shop and its lucky i got a linux box through with the 4 other windows techs working here |
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| 05:21.17 | kriebz | heh, putting Postfix b/t Exchange and the real world is a good idea |
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| 05:21.29 | kriebz | exchange is good groupware, but a terrible mx |
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| 05:53.11 | parsonsd | ah! ah! why is bind still saying that an old IP is there even when i have changed the serial and reloaded ! |
| 05:55.26 | sep | parsonsd, you obviously did something wrong then :) |
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| 05:55.49 | parsonsd | sep :^( |
| 05:55.57 | sep | and make sure you are not tricked by local cache |
| 05:56.02 | bpun | parsonsd, maybe its because u're not using 2 bind servers |
| 05:56.06 | aryah | mornin ppl |
| 05:56.43 | bpun | am i supposed to use the ati proprietary to have compiz work correctly? |
| 05:56.54 | bpun | compiz fails with the --replace parameter |
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| 05:57.14 | parsonsd | nslookup with server set to mineown |
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| 05:57.24 | bpun | parsonsd, u should be using dig |
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| 05:57.27 | parsonsd | but i just found where named is writing its logs |
| 05:57.35 | parsonsd | there may be light yet .. |
| 05:57.36 | parsonsd | dig? |
| 05:57.42 | parsonsd | i've heard of this... |
| 05:57.50 | bpun | parsonsd, dpkg -L <package> |grep bin |
| 05:58.30 | bpun | parsonsd, how many named servers are u working with? |
| 05:58.31 | ryan-c | how do you tell gcc to compile for i386 on a 686? |
| 05:58.52 | aryah | has anyone here tried putting a video playback on their background? mplayer --rootwin does put the playback on the root window, as google searches have indicated it should, but it draws over my windows nevertheless? |
| 05:59.52 | bpun | parsonsd, just 1 ? |
| 06:00.07 | parsonsd | bpun yeah, just the 1. it's an inside server |
| 06:00.23 | parsonsd | bpun, just for my 4 or 5 boxes |
| 06:00.25 | bpun | parsonsd, then u should google unix bookshelf |
| 06:00.42 | bpun | parsonsd, serial# is not used for what u want it to do |
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| 06:01.45 | parsonsd | bpun OK. the debian doc hasn't been too helpful (and /usr/share/doc/bind9/... oi!) and my orielly proudly announces it covers bind v8. |
| 06:01.57 | bpun | parsonsd, there's also a bind-doc package.. |
| 06:01.59 | parsonsd | bpun , serial# ? |
| 06:02.28 | bpun | parsonsd, "ah! ah! why is bind still saying that an old IP is there even when i have changed the serial and reloaded" |
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| 06:02.34 | bpun | parsonsd, what do u mean ^^ ? |
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| 06:03.56 | anddam | hello, can you point me to documentation about system logging facility? |
| 06:03.58 | parsonsd | bpun - maybe i mis read, thought that serial ensures that bind will actually reload its zone files. (and so old references go away).. since nslookup is checking the server, i need not worry about the TTL |
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| 06:04.32 | anddam | I'm interested in (finally) understand where is logged what, and how to handle dmesg that became quite messy since I started ipmasq |
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| 06:05.01 | bpun | parsonsd, that's guess work.. |
| 06:05.25 | bpun | parsonsd, u probably dont need any zone files.. |
| 06:05.53 | bpun | parsonsd, since ur setup is simple |
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| 06:07.26 | parsonsd | bpun - i'm sure its guess work. mostly i've been following the examples in the oreilly book |
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| 06:09.14 | bpun | parsonsd, u can pastebin ur config i can take a look at it |
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| 06:09.48 | bpun | parsonsd, cat <nameofconf>|xclip (middlemouse button pastes) |
| 06:10.27 | parsonsd | which? forward or reverse? |
| 06:10.35 | bpun | parsonsd, ? |
| 06:10.44 | parsonsd | oh - conf file... nevermind |
| 06:10.46 | bpun | parsonsd, u dont need forward or reverse if ur using just 1 dns server |
| 06:11.09 | bpun | parsonsd, ur dns server is the master dns server.. |
| 06:12.49 | bpun | parsonsd, u can also use webmin .. but u'd have to start from scratch as webmin's bind module sometimes can't pick up empty spaces if u typed them..(and it'd ignore the rest of the line) |
| 06:13.18 | bpun | parsonsd, but webmin is not in the debian branch since nobody is really mainting the webmin project |
| 06:14.34 | parsonsd | bpun : http://pastebin.ca/1379696 |
| 06:14.55 | parsonsd | bpun : that's /etc/bind/named.conf.local |
| 06:15.39 | bpun | parsonsd, what about the main? |
| 06:15.42 | parsonsd | no thanks on webmin - trying to figure out getting rid of it at work.. sometimes the helpers are really more trouble than their worth |
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| 06:16.27 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 06:16.40 | HardDisk_WP | how do I configure Grub to boot from CD |
| 06:16.56 | HardDisk_WP | and can I play grub on a system without a Linux installation? |
| 06:17.01 | bpun | parsonsd, i already see what ur doing is mistaken in that file.. where's the main conf? |
| 06:17.43 | parsonsd | http://pastebin.ca/1379701 |
| 06:18.07 | parsonsd | hrm? separating out forward and reverse? |
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| 06:19.20 | bpun | parsonsd, include "/etc/bind/named.conf.options << this file ? |
| 06:19.36 | bpun | parsonsd, pastebinit does it one shot |
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| 06:20.40 | parsonsd | http://pastebin.ca/1379703 |
| 06:21.23 | bpun | parsonsd, so let met guess nothing works.. |
| 06:21.59 | bpun | parsonsd, and i mean from the nonlocal machines |
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| 06:23.08 | parsonsd | bpun : you mean, outside the network? i imagine not - 192.168/16 doesn't route in public IPspace |
| 06:23.41 | bpun | parsonsd, i'm talking about ur lan goofy |
| 06:23.58 | parsonsd | from machines other than the NS, nah, it works with FQDN; can't get it to see just the machine by name, tho |
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| 06:24.30 | dimir | OMGONOZ! |
| 06:24.37 | bpun | parsonsd, is this supposed to be a private server or u working with an isp? |
| 06:25.14 | omg_onoez | (: |
| 06:25.38 | bpun | parsonsd, why are u saying fqdn? are u supposed to transfer this to another master dns server or not? |
| 06:25.45 | parsonsd | private server which is not on-all-the-time, so the other machines have some rather strange routing to account for having another gateway. |
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| 06:26.25 | parsonsd | no - i'm running it as though someday (ah, someday, someday) i could make it public. so mugwump.example.com resolves, but mugwump does not |
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| 06:28.32 | bpun | parsond, is this supposed to be ur isp's dns? |
| 06:28.36 | bpun | parsond, 68.87.73.242 |
| 06:28.51 | bpun | parsonsd, i'm not able to query it from here |
| 06:29.20 | parsonsd | yah, 68.87.73.242 is my ISPs dns |
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| 06:29.42 | bpun | parsonsd, is ipv4 being listened on as well? |
| 06:30.06 | parsonsd | bpun, ip4 listened on.... as in,am i running ip6 in my local network? |
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| 06:30.36 | DanDare | where´s the right place on debian to define network alias? Like 12.0.0.1 www.mysite.com ? |
| 06:30.37 | juho3 | so anyone got any idea how i can switch from 100dpi fonts to 75 in lenny |
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| 06:30.56 | bpun | DanDare, probably /etc/hosts |
| 06:30.58 | juho3 | /etc/hosts |
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| 06:31.07 | heroxbd | Hi. I am doing video editing with kino. When I import a mpg file (made by SONY DCR-SR65E), kino uses mencoder to convert it into dv format. I think it is very inefficient: I only want to add title frames to the mpg file. Do I have some alternatives? |
| 06:31.11 | maxagaz | what command can i use to disable the screensaver on a remote mache (Gnome) ? |
| 06:31.13 | bpun | juho3, in appearance click item from menu |
| 06:31.17 | HardDisk_WP | how do I install grub onto a disk which does not have linux on it? |
| 06:31.23 | DanDare | juho3, i dont have this directory |
| 06:31.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | HardDisk_WP, use the rescue mode on the install cd? |
| 06:31.54 | DanDare | ahh ok its a file, sorry. Thanks |
| 06:32.08 | bpun | parsonsd, arent u missing an include statement for that *.local network statement file ? |
| 06:32.14 | aryah | if its not too impolite to bump a q, anyone tried putting video playback as their walpaper? I ran into some problems with it .. |
| 06:32.35 | bpun | parsonsd, the way bind works is with two types of files: "network statement file" and "record files" |
| 06:32.41 | DanDare | once updated /etc/hosts how to apply the changes ? |
| 06:32.49 | bpun | parsonsd, record files should be under /var/named/ << i think |
| 06:33.12 | bpun | parsonsd, but make an include for that .*local conf file from the main config file.. |
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| 06:33.31 | parsonsd | bpun -- oops! there's more to that conf file than i copied. pardon..... http://pastebin.ca/1379708 |
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| 06:35.13 | parsonsd | bpun - the default ones are in /etc/bind/, so i put my custom ones in there too; but you're right, most places put them in /var/named or somesuch; obsd does. |
| 06:35.35 | bpun | parsonsd, cat /etc/resolv.conf | xclip (paste that file too) |
| 06:35.38 | juho3 | DanDare, it's not font size i want to change but font resolution |
| 06:35.57 | juho3 | fonts are huge and blocky in for example fluxbox |
| 06:36.01 | bpun | parsonsd, it should have 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:36.13 | bpun | parsonsd, and no other |
| 06:37.29 | bpun | parsonsd, if ur doing zone transfer there must be a special directory to store the zone record files (i dont know if its /var/named/*?/*? for debian) |
| 06:39.02 | parsonsd | bpun - ugh. resolv.conf.. http://pastebin.ca/1379710 - /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/init.d/network seem to automagically overwrite whatever i put in there. it makes sene for end clients, but it's been a regular pain in the neck for me |
| 06:39.25 | bpun | parsonsd, u should be using a static ip of course |
| 06:40.04 | bpun | parsonsd, nameserver 68.87.73.242 << u already have this in the forwarders section |
| 06:40.39 | bpun | parsonsd, 192.168.8.1 << and is this the same as the current machine? (didnt change via dhcp by chance?) |
| 06:40.52 | bpun | parsonsd, i dont see any interfaces file |
| 06:41.04 | parsonsd | bpun - one side is static; the other is dhcp since that's the gateway out |
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| 06:41.16 | parsonsd | bpun - dhclient prepends statement |
| 06:41.50 | bpun | parsonsd, then tell dhclient not to overwrite the resolv.conf file.. |
| 06:42.10 | bpun | parsonsd, that's what must be overwriting it |
| 06:42.13 | parsonsd | http://pastebin.ca/1379713 |
| 06:42.22 | parsonsd | you can? |
| 06:42.23 | parsonsd | nice |
| 06:42.34 | parsonsd | eh, that last is /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 06:44.22 | bpun | parsonsd, u can have 1 line in resolv conf, nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:44.30 | HardDisk_WP | Kamping_Kaiser, where can I obtain the install cd? |
| 06:44.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | HardDisk_WP, cdimage.debian.org ? |
| 06:45.07 | bpun | parsonsd, of course this is for clients... |
| 06:45.07 | HardDisk_WP | ah you mean debian install cd =) |
| 06:45.11 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 06:45.12 | anddam | what tool can I read disc drive temperature with? |
| 06:45.13 | HardDisk_WP | afk |
| 06:45.15 | bpun | parsonsd, but running on the local machine |
| 06:45.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | np. gl |
| 06:45.27 | bpun | anddam, probably iostat |
| 06:45.28 | anddam | ah hddtemp |
| 06:45.43 | anddam | bpun: apt-cache just told me |
| 06:45.46 | anddam | thanks anyway |
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| 06:45.48 | parsonsd | oh, anybody have any grand ideas on how to both turn off root logons with ssh AND have a way to rsync useful config files to them? :/ |
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| 06:46.00 | anddam | bpun: I'll have a look at iostat too |
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| 06:46.55 | juho3 | whee upgrading to squeeze :P |
| 06:46.57 | ghfu | parsonsd, have you looked into unison and csync2 ? |
| 06:47.05 | mhall | how do i figure out the PID of the process listed for a certain TTY device in the output of w or who? |
| 06:47.16 | mhall | i cant figure out how to accomplish this |
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| 06:48.05 | parsonsd | bpun - something to play with - been concenred that having it automatically specify a sometimes non-existant nameserver would routinely wait til the NS times out |
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| 06:48.12 | parsonsd | til moving onto the next NS |
| 06:48.37 | parsonsd | ghfu, no but thank you; i'll look into them |
| 06:48.40 | bpun | parsonsd, um.. doesnt dhclient have a conf file? |
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| 06:49.34 | bpun | parsonsd, u dont want to fix dns? it's basically two steps.. |
| 06:49.38 | parsonsd | bpun - oh, wait. when that machine serving names goes down the other machines will lose that as a nameserver in their reslving list too, won't they. |
| 06:49.39 | bpun | parsond, ok then :) |
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| 06:49.51 | mhall | nevermind, finally figured it out |
| 06:49.59 | ghfu | mhall, ps o/p? |
| 06:50.09 | parsonsd | bpun - wait wait! :) |
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| 06:50.47 | bpun | parsonsd, ur not running a dhcp server are u? |
| 06:51.09 | parsonsd | bpun - yep, that machine serves IP and Names. |
| 06:51.34 | bpun | parsonsd, i dont understand ur question |
| 06:51.47 | bpun | parsonsd, dhcp requests are broadcasts on the network.. |
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| 06:52.05 | bpun | parsonsd, so as long as u have the server machine or backup server on the same network.. dhcp should still work |
| 06:52.09 | mull | hey I got multiple servers using debian, one of them is already configured as mailserver for the domain (using postfix), what is the exim4 config I need on the other ones to forward mails of services like cron etc. to the postfix server? |
| 06:52.28 | bpun | parsonsd, did u fix dns yet? |
| 06:52.50 | bpun | parsonsd, disable dhclient's request for dns nameservers for the dns server machine.. |
| 06:52.54 | parsonsd | bpun - yeah, the machine which serves dns serves IP for a few clients.... and no. what did i miss? |
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| 06:53.14 | parsonsd | oh |
| 06:53.20 | bpun | parsonsd, if ur isp ever changes dns ip# entries.. u just have to change the forwarders that's all |
| 06:54.03 | bpun | parsonsd, and ur dhcp server should be sending nameserver 192.168.8.1 for its dhcp lan clients |
| 06:55.32 | bpun | parsonsd, it's probably possible for dh-client to redirect it's dns names got from ur isp.. and have a script run to see if there were changes.. to have the forward ip#'s updated automatically.. |
| 06:56.00 | bpun | parsonsd, (i mean instead of dhclient writing to /etc/resolv.conf... to write it to another file) |
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| 06:57.54 | bpun | parsonsd, /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 06:58.20 | parsonsd | bpun - so it doesnt havea "request domain-name-servers" line in it? |
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| 06:58.30 | parsonsd | hm |
| 06:58.30 | bpun | parsonsd, hold on i'll get a sample |
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| 07:00.08 | bpun | parsonsd, an easy fix would be to use this :) prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:00.20 | bpun | parsonsd, man dhclient.conf .. |
| 07:00.43 | bahram | hi all, my partition table has been remove but i can view partition table & file list in TestDisc None partitioned Media mode, but can write partition table or get backup, |
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| 07:00.52 | parsonsd | bpun - ok. rather than the 192.168.8.1 verison |
| 07:00.54 | bpun | parsonsd, but who cares about that.. u can ask dig to use localhost |
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| 07:01.33 | bahram | sorry, i can't write partition table or get backup |
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| 07:02.04 | bpun | parsonsd, dig @localhost bugjar.org ? |
| 07:02.11 | \3TATUK | How do I blacklist a module (sky2 for nic) from autoloading? ('blacklist sky2' in /etc/modeprobe.d/blacklist doesn't work..says it's only for aliases) |
| 07:02.55 | bpun | parsonsd, does it work? |
| 07:03.08 | bpun | parsonsd, i mean the dig command |
| 07:03.17 | parsonsd | bpun - yep. certainly does |
| 07:03.36 | bpun | parsonsd, so u got 192.168.8.1 for digging ur hostname? |
| 07:03.48 | bpun | parsonsd, can u xclip it and pastebin it? |
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| 07:04.44 | bpun | parsonsd, so it was working the whole time.. but u didnt use @localhost with dig haha |
| 07:05.00 | parsonsd | http://pastebin.ca/1379724 |
| 07:05.07 | bpun | parsonsd, but use the prepend feature.. it'll help |
| 07:05.56 | bpun | parsonsd, dig @192.168.8.1 <hostname> ? |
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| 07:06.29 | parsonsd | bpun - by indiviudual hostname, no - it starts looking for .900INSOAa.root-servers.net. nstld.verisi |
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| 07:06.51 | parsonsd | bpun - ther's more, but it lists the date & time out and such |
| 07:07.00 | bpun | parsonsd, dig the same hostname --> b*.org something |
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| 07:07.22 | bpun | parsonsd, dig @192.168.8.1 bugjar.org |
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| 07:07.48 | parsonsd | bpun - i still come up with 2 IPs, one is old and since removed from the zone file and the current one |
| 07:08.10 | parsonsd | bpun - the old one hasn't been legit in some time |
| 07:08.11 | bpun | parsonsd, relating to what command? |
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| 07:08.52 | bpun | parsonsd, netstat -plutn |grep 53 |
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| 07:09.24 | parsonsd | http://pastebin.ca/1379729 |
| 07:10.25 | bpun | parsonsd, and what about the other command |
| 07:10.30 | bpun | parsonsd, @192.168.8.1 ? |
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| 07:11.03 | bpun | parsonsd, i didnt ask to check anything but bugjar.org |
| 07:11.32 | bpun | parsonsd, sorry if it sounded confusing when i said hostname.. |
| 07:11.33 | parsonsd | http://pastebin.ca/1379732 |
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| 07:11.51 | bpun | parsonsd, ur running two nameservers |
| 07:11.52 | parsonsd | that's netstat |
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| 07:12.27 | bahram | Hi, My partition table has been removed, i can view list file & partition table with testdisk None partitioned media Mode, but i can't write partition table or get backup files, can help me? |
| 07:12.30 | lo127 | When using dhclient, how can I clear the old lease recorded ? |
| 07:12.40 | lo127 | Its trying to reuse my old ip |
| 07:12.56 | bpun | parsonsd, i mean bind is listening on more than it has to |
| 07:12.57 | parsonsd | damn - so it's trying to answer on both in and out. |
| 07:13.04 | parsonsd | damn |
| 07:13.22 | bpun | parsonsd, use a network statement for ipv4 -> listen-on { 0.0.0.0; }; << i think |
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| 07:13.40 | bpun | parsonsd, or is that intentional? |
| 07:13.44 | parsonsd | in named.conf ? |
| 07:13.50 | bpun | parsonsd, y |
| 07:14.08 | bpun | parsonsd, how about stopping named and run that netstat command |
| 07:14.16 | parsonsd | bpun - no, outside is not really outside,but on the side of the gateway. don't care about that |
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| 07:15.45 | parsonsd | bpun - bind -u was still there ... required killing |
| 07:16.01 | bpun | parsonsd, http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/networking_2ndEd/dns/index/index.htm |
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| 07:16.40 | bpun | parsonsd, try checking the process list, be sure bind is all gone.. then start then stop.. then see if bind is not there again.. be sure it aint buggy |
| 07:17.24 | parsonsd | ps -ef is a favorite club |
| 07:17.26 | parsonsd | :) |
| 07:17.27 | bpun | parsonsd, that index makes it easy to reference network statements |
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| 07:18.55 | zzzz | hi guys |
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| 07:19.19 | zzzz | i'm trying to install on debian lenny mod_mono |
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| 07:19.36 | zzzz | but i can't find this mod for lennt |
| 07:19.43 | bpun | zzzz, what mod ? |
| 07:19.52 | zzzz | mod_mono |
| 07:19.59 | zzzz | for apache2 |
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| 07:20.13 | bpun | zzzz, mono-apache-server - ASP.NET backend for mod_mono Apache module |
| 07:20.13 | bpun | mono-apache-server2 - ASP.NET backend for mod_mono2 Apache module |
| 07:20.29 | bpun | zzzz, maybe ur missing non-free and contrib in ur sources.list |
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| 07:21.23 | bpun | zzzz, does it apt-get install work? |
| 07:21.49 | bpun | zzzz, apt-cache search showed it here |
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| 07:22.25 | bpun | zzzz, there's another one too called libapache2-mod-mono |
| 07:22.37 | zzzz | bpun: apt it's updating the repos |
| 07:23.06 | bpun | zzzz, i guess one or two are dependencies |
| 07:23.38 | bpun | zzzz, type after, apt-cache show libapache2-mod-mono |
| 07:23.49 | bpun | zzzz, if it fails then include something in sources.list |
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| 07:25.30 | zzzz | !pastebin |
| 07:25.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 07:25.50 | bpun | zzzz, pastebin.ca works god too |
| 07:25.56 | bpun | i mean good |
| 07:25.57 | bpun | :) |
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| 07:26.10 | zzzz | bpun: http://paste.debian.net/32210/ |
| 07:26.12 | bpun | !xclip |
| 07:26.12 | dpkg | i guess xclip is a command line utility that is designed to run on any system with an X11 implementation. It provides an interface to X selections ("the clipboard") from the command line. aptitude install xclip |
| 07:27.09 | bpun | zzzz, y that's the same version listed here |
| 07:27.50 | parsonsd | bpun - thanks. that got rid of the spurious error. still no joy getting it to resolv by hostname, but so far so good and now the hour is late |
| 07:28.13 | parsonsd | damn think listening on both ports. makes sense, but ugh |
| 07:28.25 | bpun | parsonsd, i didnt say to do x.<x>.org |
| 07:28.28 | bpun | parsonsd, :) |
| 07:28.33 | bpun | parsonsd, why u trippin ? |
| 07:28.36 | bpun | lol |
| 07:28.58 | parsonsd | bpun - late hour, methinks. that and its been bothering me for sometime. |
| 07:29.02 | bpun | parsonsd, is 0.0.0.0 the ip being listened on? |
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| 07:30.00 | bpun | parsonsd, ok.. well u know u can rely on that doc i posted.. it helps |
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| 07:31.12 | bpun | parsonsd, i thought u said u wanted to shift the machine so that's why i was saying to use 0.0.0.0. .. |
| 07:31.56 | parsonsd | bpun - i had it to the single address that should be listening rahter than 0.0.0.0.. |
| 07:32.02 | parsonsd | reset it to 0.0.0.0 and nothing |
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| 07:32.16 | bpun | parsonsd, also i realized on this other distro.. it wouldnt resolve properly if i didn use that setting.. |
| 07:32.31 | bpun | parsonsd, what does netstat show? |
| 07:32.47 | parsonsd | a lot of zeros |
| 07:33.22 | bpun | parsonsd, ur domain's name is known to work with localhost.. but u never told me if it can work with the network's ip#.. |
| 07:33.23 | parsonsd | instead of interface names |
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| 07:35.02 | bpun | parsonsd, dig @192.168.8.1 bugjar.org |
| 07:35.12 | parsonsd | bpun actually, it worked FQDN with netowrk IP; not with hostname. with options 0.0.0.0, it didn't resovle anything |
| 07:35.58 | bpun | parsonsd, i didnt see ur zone file.. u never posted it :).. doesnt matter if u wanna quit.. |
| 07:36.12 | parsonsd | heh. no servers reached |
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| 07:36.26 | parsonsd | i think if i don't i'm gona type giberish real soon |
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| 07:37.17 | bpun | parsonsd, u should be able to dig from the other lan machines then.. |
| 07:37.25 | bpun | parsonsd, ur nameserver should be usable then.. |
| 07:37.46 | bpun | parsonsd, but i'm not sure what u mean by fqdn.. if i dont see any output |
| 07:37.56 | bpun | parsonsd, how were u typing the fqdn ? |
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| 07:39.26 | zzzz | bpun: 10x. it worked |
| 07:39.36 | parsonsd | i'm getting a touch frustrated tho that /etc/init.d/bind stop doesn't work tho. |
| 07:39.48 | parsonsd | gotta kill it by pid |
| 07:39.51 | bpun | zzzz, is it an open standard that asp language ? |
| 07:40.10 | bpun | parsonsd, that's what i said to check a long time ago.. |
| 07:40.19 | parsonsd | dig @192.168.8.1 mugwump gives me no servers could be reached |
| 07:40.23 | parsonsd | bpun ? |
| 07:40.25 | bpun | parsonsd, did u mess around with the server scripts? |
| 07:40.45 | bpun | parsonsd, if u dont do what i tell u i wont help u anymore |
| 07:40.52 | bpun | parsonsd, fix the stop server issue |
| 07:41.00 | bpun | parsonsd, then try to get nameserver to work |
| 07:41.18 | parsonsd | bpun - don't see anything in that script that looks like something i wrot |
| 07:41.34 | bpun | parsonsd, did u edit ur bind daemon script? |
| 07:42.10 | zzzz | dont know |
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| 07:42.31 | parsonsd | bpun - don't think so. that's not one i remember messing with... |
| 07:43.33 | bpun | parsonsd, u cant fix something if another part is broken.. |
| 07:43.43 | bpun | parsonsd, u should find out why |
| 07:44.04 | parsonsd | bpun - makes sense. i'll have to look at it |
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| 07:44.09 | bpun | sounds like a circular troubleshoot but i hope u get the point |
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| 07:44.42 | parsonsd | no no, indicates omething more fundamental is wrong |
| 07:45.09 | bpun | parsonsd, i have an idea.. just purge named and evertthing under /var/named if there's one.. then reinstall named... |
| 07:45.20 | bpun | or bind wghatever its called |
| 07:45.56 | parsonsd | that gonna eat my zone files |
| 07:45.57 | parsonsd | ? |
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| 07:46.04 | parsonsd | i'l wanna make a copy if it will |
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| 07:47.36 | aryah | sta nismo imali 8 saveznika? |
| 07:47.40 | aryah | sry |
| 07:48.13 | bpun | parsonsd, btw what tool did u use to edit the zone files? |
| 07:48.24 | parsonsd | vi |
| 07:48.33 | parsonsd | bpun - vi/vim |
| 07:49.07 | Boohbah | it's very easy to make a syntax error in a zone file, but bind does some syntax checking when you start it |
| 07:49.41 | parsonsd | boohbah - i just found about checkzone- scripts today |
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| 07:50.04 | ghang | hi , how to mount ISO image to /dev/cdrom0 |
| 07:50.19 | bpun | ghang, to burn or mount an image? |
| 07:50.28 | ghang | mount to device |
| 07:50.35 | bpun | ghang, u dont use mountpoints on anything under /dev |
| 07:50.37 | ghang | for apt-cdrom reading |
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| 07:51.08 | ghang | bpun , any suggestiong for apt-cdrom my lenny DVD iso? (5 piece of DVD here) |
| 07:51.11 | bpun | ghang, u mount the device to a mountpoint(mountpoint is a node name like -> /mnt/myMountname) |
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| 07:51.16 | rto | Hi, anyone else having trouble downloading from sourceforge? |
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| 07:51.24 | bpun | ghang, y |
| 07:51.31 | bpun | ghang, make a local repo |
| 07:51.33 | ghang | then? how to let apt read the mnt ? |
| 07:51.44 | ghang | local repo? |
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| 07:51.56 | bpun | ghang, u should be able to google it and find a trick on how to use all the deb packages on the harddrive.. |
| 07:51.58 | parsonsd | ..but i had a spurious entry on a nonexistant IP and network. .which i corrected and only just now (with bpun's help) found that the nameserver hadnt let of the entry. |
| 07:52.05 | parsonsd | man apt-cdrom |
| 07:52.10 | parsonsd | oops |
| 07:52.11 | bpun | ghang, then have that repo service other debian machines on the lan |
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| 07:52.41 | ghang | let me try it , thanks |
| 07:52.42 | parsonsd | ghang -why not apt-cdrom -d=/mnt or someting? |
| 07:52.51 | bpun | ghang, there must be guides online... |
| 07:52.53 | ghang | i try but fail |
| 07:53.09 | parsonsd | ghang - is the cdrom mounted to /mnt? |
| 07:53.40 | parsonsd | ghang , i think the automounter will try to place it in /media/cdrom |
| 07:54.10 | bpun | parsonsd, i think he was asking as to how to avoid using his dvds |
| 07:54.59 | parsonsd | ah. ooh. mount /mnt ~/cdrom.iso && apt-cdrom -d=/mnt ? |
| 07:55.09 | bpun | or apt-cdrom seems more like it |
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| 07:55.49 | parsonsd | i missed something in the man pages.. just update apt/sources.list and let it find the mount point |
| 07:55.51 | ghang | # mount /cdrom0 debian-500-amd64-DVD-2.iso ------ mount: special device /cdrom0 does not exist mount /media/cdrom0 debian-500-amd64-DVD-2.iso ------ mount: /media/cdrom0 is not a block device |
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| 07:56.29 | bpun | ghang, use losetup |
| 07:56.42 | bpun | ghang, then use add-cdrom <options> /dev/loop? |
| 07:56.56 | bpun | (can be /dev/loop0 for eg) |
| 07:58.00 | bpun | ghang, u can have all dvd images to separate loop# devices and then use apt-cdrom against them.. |
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| 07:58.08 | ghang | the full command is : losetup XXX.iso? i try with -f and -d is fail |
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| 07:58.21 | bpun | oops |
| 07:58.24 | bpun | ghang, nmind |
| 07:58.31 | bpun | ghang, i was just looking at the apt-cdrom command |
| 07:58.42 | ghang | o! |
| 07:58.43 | bpun | ghang, u can use -d like parsonsd said.. |
| 07:58.49 | bpun | ghang, many ways of doing it i guess |
| 07:59.10 | aryah | mornin ppl |
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| 07:59.15 | parsonsd | hrm. his last comment about mounting seems to make me thnk hes coming into issues mounting the iso to /media/cdrom0 |
| 07:59.35 | bpun | or maybe i'm wrong again |
| 07:59.36 | bpun | hahaha |
| 07:59.50 | bpun | u can use losetup .. i think u might be able to get to work with it.. |
| 07:59.56 | aryah | argh, i apologise again , irrsi split screen takes some getting used to apparently :( |
| 08:00.19 | bpun | ghang, add the loopback device entry in fstab... |
| 08:00.36 | bpun | ghang, i dunno if there's a command line override.. but the manpage says it looks in fstab |
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| 08:01.25 | parsonsd | ghang - double check your mount command -- methinks you have the arguments reversed |
| 08:01.27 | ghang | erm ...fstab is something i scare to touch. |
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| 08:02.01 | bpun | ghang, u can probably use symlinks.. to make it easier so that if u change images... u'd umount the loopback device.. re-symlink ... this might sound confusing.. |
| 08:02.06 | ghang | let me try |
| 08:02.52 | bpun | ghang, where are the images stored? |
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| 08:03.18 | ghang | the image store in /mnt/sda7/debian/***.iso |
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| 08:03.41 | bpun | ghang, are u upgrading etch? |
| 08:03.58 | ghang | yeah , and installing too |
| 08:04.35 | bpun | ghang, i think u might be able to use losetup with symlink (a symlink to the image) so that u dont have to keep editing fstab... |
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| 08:04.58 | bpun | ghang, and instead just change the symlink |
| 08:05.31 | bpun | ghang, actually its not fstab u have to change.. but the losetup command |
| 08:05.34 | bpun | yikes.. |
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| 08:06.03 | bpun | ghang, is there enough space to transfer the iso files to "/" ? |
| 08:06.11 | ghang | yes |
| 08:06.20 | bpun | ghang, or to the (not /) but to the main filesystem |
| 08:06.30 | JJoliver | Hi guys. I'm working somewhere where the internet is so poor. I have d'l debian CD1 and the xfce+lxde cd1 and would now like to install open office from the xfce cd, how do I do that? |
| 08:06.30 | bpun | ghang, so make a /depot folder and work it from there.. |
| 08:06.36 | ghang | yes .. i have enough spaces for that |
| 08:07.08 | parsonsd | fah! after purge, reinstall bind9 ... bind9rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953 |
| 08:07.19 | parsonsd | nevermind. sleep before work |
| 08:07.21 | parsonsd | this tomororw |
| 08:07.28 | total | MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! - where find what is wrong? |
| 08:08.01 | ghang | bpun, i am transfering |
| 08:08.18 | bpun | JJoliver, apt-cdrom -a i think, then apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 08:08.32 | bpun | parsonsd, bye.. good luck with that dns stuff :) |
| 08:08.36 | JJoliver | bpun: thanks |
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| 08:08.52 | parsonsd | bpun thanks anyway. amybe tomorrwo |
| 08:09.22 | bpun | parsonsd, #953.. is not #53 ! :) |
| 08:09.24 | bpun | lol |
| 08:09.37 | bpun | parsonsd, u cant leave this diagnosis.. u will fix it right now! |
| 08:09.48 | bpun | yikes |
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| 08:10.10 | bpun | bind9rndc.. thought u were doing that dig command.. rndc needs to be configured before usage btw |
| 08:10.21 | parsonsd | ufkc. wots it doing there? |
| 08:10.52 | bpun | parsonsd, it's a control channel.. for the server.. u have to configure the server to allow the control channel if u want to use rndc.. |
| 08:11.01 | bpun | parsonsd, u dont need it.. |
| 08:11.24 | parsonsd | a control channel..... it's russian to me even when i am awake |
| 08:11.38 | bpun | parsonsd, it's all in the bind book i posted.. just review some of the chapters.. they explain it much better than me |
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| 08:11.51 | parsonsd | k. wil do thnx |
| 08:11.57 | bpun | parsonsd, u can think of ftp... ftp uses 2 ports.. |
| 08:12.07 | bpun | parsonsd, but its a crude analogy.. |
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| 08:12.12 | parsonsd | bpun - yeh... one to talk and one to listen |
| 08:12.22 | bpun | parsonsd, no, 1 is the control channel |
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| 08:12.28 | bpun | parsonsd, the other is the data channel |
| 08:12.34 | parsonsd | ah |
| 08:13.02 | bpun | parsonsd, that's why it's easier to setup ssh thru a firewall.. |
| 08:13.07 | bpun | parsonsd, ssh only uses 1 port.. |
| 08:13.20 | parsonsd | ssh i know and love |
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| 08:13.45 | JJoliver | bpun it says that it could not find package openoffice.org |
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| 08:13.59 | ghang | bpun , i have cp the iso to /depot what should i do next |
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| 08:14.25 | bpun | JJoliver, run apt-get update |
| 08:14.31 | ghang | jjoliver , then maybe your cd didnt have open office package |
| 08:14.33 | bpun | JJoliver, then try it again |
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| 08:15.40 | bpun | ghang, edit fstab and add '/dev/loop0 /mnt/lennyimg udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0" |
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| 08:15.51 | bpun | ghang, mkdir /mnt/lennyimg |
| 08:16.21 | ghang | bpun i didnt have file is /dev is it ok to edit fstab ? or i need to add a file before i edit fstab? |
| 08:16.38 | bpun | ghang, cd /depot ; ln -s <imagename> currentlennyimg |
| 08:16.48 | bpun | ghang, ? |
| 08:17.01 | bpun | ghang, add what file? |
| 08:17.10 | bpun | ghang, dont worry.. i said u mkdir it.. |
| 08:17.14 | ghang | in /dev/ add /dev/loop0 |
| 08:17.26 | ghang | should i need to add this before edit fstab |
| 08:17.27 | bpun | ghang, copy n paste that line |
| 08:17.45 | bpun | ghang, "/dev/loop0 /mnt/lennyimg udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0" << last line for /etc/fstab |
| 08:17.56 | ghang | oo , i make mistake ,there is |
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| 08:18.41 | bpun | ghang, rm /dev/fstab |
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| 08:19.53 | ghang | there is no /dev/fstab |
| 08:19.56 | ghang | done |
| 08:20.02 | bpun | ghang, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^66 |
| 08:20.08 | ghang | done editing fstab |
| 08:20.08 | bpun | ghang, its not /dev/fstab! |
| 08:20.15 | ghang | lol |
| 08:20.16 | bpun | ghang, read ^^ |
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| 08:20.51 | bpun | ghang, u never edit anything in dev ever!! |
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| 08:21.17 | bpun | ghang, u only ever edit in /etc or /home/username or /root |
| 08:21.25 | JJoliver | bpun: thanks, I'll assume then that open office is not on the XFCE install disk like I was told it was . . . |
| 08:21.28 | ghang | ok |
| 08:21.43 | JJoliver | bpun: where can I get the package of open office (not the install from the website?) |
| 08:21.48 | ghang | cd /depot ; ln -s <imagename> currentlennyimg --- wht is currentlennyimg mean ? /mnt/lenny? |
| 08:21.57 | bpun | JJoliver, u can type find /mnt/media (after mounting cdrom) -type f "*office*" |
| 08:22.07 | bpun | JJoliver, then u can be sure if it is.. |
| 08:22.30 | bpun | JJoliver, -type f -name "*office*" actually |
| 08:23.08 | bpun | ghang, u can replace currentlennyimg to <somethingelse> but tell me what that somethingelse is.. |
| 08:23.30 | bpun | ghang, ln -s <imagename> <mylennysymlink> |
| 08:23.47 | ghang | erm , now i am trying to mount /depot/***.iso to /mnt/lenny |
| 08:24.04 | bpun | ghang, u can tell its a symlink... by typing "file <symlinkname-uchose>" |
| 08:24.14 | bpun | ghang, what's the name of ur symlink? |
| 08:24.26 | ghang | ln -s debian-500-amd64-DVD-1.iso debian1 |
| 08:24.45 | JJoliver | bpun: f command not found |
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| 08:24.58 | bpun | ghang, (doesnt matter file can be installed with apt-get) |
| 08:25.09 | bpun | ghang, it just says if it's a symlink or not.. |
| 08:25.14 | bpun | so.. |
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| 08:25.47 | bpun | ghang, losetup /dev/loop0 /depot/<symlinkname> |
| 08:25.48 | ghang | yep , i set the symlink to debian1, debian2,debian3,debian4,debian5 for 5 DvD |
| 08:25.58 | bpun | ghang, holdon |
| 08:26.23 | bpun | ghang, lol |
| 08:26.36 | bpun | ghang, ur doing things i told u not to bother with.. like what u just did.. |
| 08:26.39 | bpun | but nways.. |
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| 08:27.27 | optical | Hello all, I was trying to apt-get a few packages and somehow something is severely wrong now.. even the most simplest of packages I try to install is trying to add/remove all kinds of crazy system utilities, and I keep getting a warning every single time. Can someone see this: http://pastebin.com/d43e6d674 |
| 08:28.02 | optical | how the hell did this happen |
| 08:28.03 | bpun | after losetup ... try "apt-cdrom -a -d=/dev/loop0 /mnt/lennyimg" << i think ... |
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| 08:28.57 | bpun | if not then probbably /"apt-cdrom -a -d=/dev/loop0 /mnt/lennyimg add" |
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| 08:29.48 | total | where is mysql error log on debian? |
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| 08:31.24 | bpun | optical, try runing apt-get update and apt-get -f install, then try apt-get install links2 |
| 08:31.30 | retro_neo | I did a dist-upgrade on a sarge, and I get the error binutils: requires: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 is installed / libc6-dev: requires: libc6 (= 2.7-18) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 is installed / locales: requires: glibc-2.7-1 / Try to use option -f. |
| 08:31.33 | bpun | ghang, did it work? |
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| 08:31.53 | optical | bpun: I will try that, thank you very much |
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| 08:32.29 | ghang | i am not sure , i am still trying , now i can find my loop0 is working in filesystem , but i am still try to let apt found it and detect it , i just edit /etc/apt/source.list and now i trying to detecting loop0 with apt-cdrom add |
| 08:32.52 | bpun | ghang, pastebin it |
| 08:33.02 | retro_neo | and doing -f dist-upgrade returns this : http://pastebin.ca/1379784 |
| 08:33.03 | bpun | pastebin ur fstab |
| 08:33.13 | bpun | ghang, |
| 08:33.13 | retro_neo | but I'm not sure what to do... |
| 08:33.23 | optical | bpun: hmm, didnt work :( still giving me the same output. apt-get -f install just said 0 to install and didnt do anything |
| 08:33.37 | ghang | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.25 | bpun | ghang, pastebin ur fstab |
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| 08:35.00 | ghang | # /etc/fstab: static file system information. |
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| 08:35.01 | ghang | # |
| 08:35.01 | ghang | # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> |
| 08:35.01 | ghang | proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 08:35.01 | ghang | /dev/sdc1 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 08:35.01 | ghang | /dev/sdc5 none swap sw 0 0 |
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| 08:35.01 | bpun | optical, dunno.. |
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| 08:35.06 | conky_v2 | http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/16642 <<---- mini itx on crack! |
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| 08:35.18 | conky_v2 | anyone see a prob with deb on something like that - multimedia focus? |
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| 08:35.33 | conky_v2 | [this actually has lga775 socket on the form factor hehe] |
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| 08:35.42 | ghang | pastebin |
| 08:35.44 | bpun | ghang, use the psatebin site.. |
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| 08:35.46 | ghang | #flush |
| 08:35.49 | bpun | ghang, dont paste in here |
| 08:35.53 | bpun | ghang, pastebin.ca |
| 08:35.53 | ghang | lol |
| 08:36.00 | conky_v2 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500022&Tpk=GF9300-D-E |
| 08:36.11 | conky_v2 | !paste |
| 08:36.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 08:36.21 | ghang | http://pastebin.ca/1379787 |
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| 08:36.43 | conky_v2 | ghang: whats the prob btw |
| 08:37.20 | conky_v2 | not ntfs surely? |
| 08:37.26 | ghang | conky_v2 i am trying to make loop0-5 mount the lenny 5 pcs DVD and now i am trying to let apt-cdrom detect it |
| 08:37.41 | conky_v2 | oic |
| 08:37.51 | bpun | ghang, now show me the add-cdrom command |
| 08:38.14 | conky_v2 | mount -o loop /path/to/some/iso /path/to/dvd |
| 08:38.18 | conky_v2 | iirc |
| 08:38.19 | bpun | ghang, didnt need 5 entries in fstab.. but nways.. |
| 08:38.28 | conky_v2 | you only need one cdrom at a time |
| 08:38.32 | bpun | ghang, forget him.. lets finish this |
| 08:38.45 | ghang | http://pastebin.ca/1379788 |
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| 08:39.09 | conky_v2 | ya w/e enjoi farking off yer boxen ^^ |
| 08:39.09 | bpun | ghang, i already gave the command for apt-cdrom.. see above |
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| 08:39.25 | bpun | if not then probbably /"apt-cdrom -a -d=/dev/loop0 /mnt/lennyimg add" |
| 08:39.34 | ghang | http://pastebin.ca/1379790 this is my /etc/apt/source.list now |
| 08:39.49 | ghang | please have a look , bpun, i not sure am i right to edit like that |
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| 08:40.14 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 08:40.16 | bpun | ghang, btw u can add non-free to sources.list (after main contrib) |
| 08:40.41 | sobersabre | I have debian file server, and debian client. the files are served over NFS v3 |
| 08:41.09 | sobersabre | I have some strange problem, I seem to miss its causes. |
| 08:41.14 | sobersabre | the server is on 1G network. |
| 08:41.17 | simonrvn | !non-free |
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| 08:41.18 | dpkg | i guess non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 08:41.23 | sobersabre | the client is on 100M |
| 08:41.29 | simonrvn | ^^ ghang |
| 08:41.32 | sobersabre | both are linked in duplex mode. |
| 08:41.34 | bpun | ghang, but after the install add it.. the default installer probaly wont place non-free |
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| 08:41.50 | ghang | http://pastebin.ca/1379791 i think i success |
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| 08:42.03 | sobersabre | both server and clients have "optimized" system buffers - increased rmem and wmem buffers, and other size related tweaks. |
| 08:42.05 | ghang | bpun :D |
| 08:42.10 | bpun | ghang, comment out out all the cdrom lines u aded.. let apt-cdrom do the job |
| 08:43.00 | D4T | hi all, I seem to have a situation with a raid degrading after a reboot and from what I can see its because the kernel doesn't wait long enough for the drive to come online. Any got any tips on how I get wrong it? |
| 08:43.00 | D4T | *round |
| 08:43.00 | sobersabre | what happens is that if I am transferring files of ~ less than 1GB (I think I can minimize the "problematic" size a bit more) |
| 08:43.00 | sobersabre | then the client gets stuck. |
| 08:43.00 | foetus | morning - how can i install only dependencies of an package, and further, tell apt, package 'foo' is already been installed to prevent package 'foo' from installing ? |
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| 08:43.18 | sobersabre | and if I am passing a file (the largest I did so far about 256 MB) - it passes fine with reasonable speeds for 100Mb/s |
| 08:43.21 | bpun | ghang, after u did this for ur cd's do #apt-get update |
| 08:43.39 | sobersabre | I can see retransmissions on the client. |
| 08:43.46 | sobersabre | the server doesn't feel a thing. |
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| 08:43.51 | xbj_A21m | any ideas why alsa force-reload isn't working anymore? |
| 08:44.09 | sobersabre | what I suspect is that the switch between client and the server is faking something. |
| 08:44.24 | sobersabre | I played with MTU, with txqueuelen, etc. |
| 08:44.24 | bpun | ghang, u might have to edit apt.conf setting to look at one of the loop back devices.. that's why u should just use 1 |
| 08:44.29 | sobersabre | it simply doesn't help. |
| 08:44.39 | sobersabre | And I am not the net-admin. |
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| 08:44.48 | sobersabre | so I can't manage the switch. |
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| 08:45.01 | ghang | http://pastebin.ca/1379792 cant detect the loop |
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| 08:46.07 | sobersabre | What I'd like is directions of how to present this problem as transparently as possible to the netadmin, so he doesn't get spooked, because he's not very deep into networking. |
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| 08:46.20 | sobersabre | or maybe find another problem in my setup. |
| 08:46.45 | bpun | ghang, did u uncomment all the lines u manually added which u werent supposed to (in sources.list) ? |
| 08:46.56 | bpun | ghang, ur working against everything i'm saying.. |
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| 08:48.09 | retro_neo | when I do 'apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6' it tells me I have to chose among these : http://pastebin.ca/1379795 how do I know which one is correct ? |
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| 08:49.25 | bpun | retro_neo, type uname -a |
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| 08:50.05 | bpun | sobersabre, maybe ur not supposed to be saturing the network with 100megabyte files.. the netadmin might hate you :) |
| 08:50.15 | retro_neo | bpun: thanks! |
| 08:50.26 | bpun | retro_neo, what does it say? |
| 08:50.32 | retro_neo | Linux dhcp 2.4.27-3-386 #1 Mon May 29 23:50:41 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:50.57 | bpun | retro_neo, what machine do u have.. a pentium 4 ? |
| 08:51.14 | retro_neo | bpun: most likely |
| 08:51.24 | bpun | retro_neo, dmesg |grep -i penti |
| 08:51.49 | bpun | retro_neo, dmesg |grep -i intel |
| 08:52.02 | bpun | retro_neo, look for the cpu0 line |
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| 08:52.50 | ghang | bpun , can you give me the command again about apt-cdrom |
| 08:53.06 | ghang | when i been kick out just now i loss the conversation |
| 08:53.08 | retro_neo | bpun: agpgart: Detected Intel i845 chipset |
| 08:53.21 | bpun | retro_neo, dmesg |grep -i cpu |
| 08:53.36 | bpun | retro_neo, i think its a p4... |
| 08:53.39 | foetus | i have seen something in the apt howto meanwhile, but some feedback would be nice.. |
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| 08:53.45 | hargut | hello |
| 08:53.58 | bpun | retro_neo, i believe its the linux-image-2.6.26-1-486 2.6.26-13lenny2 |
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| 08:54.08 | bpun | retro_neo, nope |
| 08:54.11 | bpun | retro_neo, sorry |
| 08:54.14 | bpun | retro_neo, not that one |
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| 08:54.20 | shambat | running a syslog-ng server, which has stopped working for some reason, when I go to delete the logfile, it tells me: rm: cannot remove `local0': Read-only file system .... are the files mounted as a filesystem? |
| 08:54.23 | bpun | retro_neo, this one -> linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 2.6.26-13lenny2 |
| 08:54.28 | bpun | retro_neo, with 686 in it |
| 08:54.40 | retro_neo | bpun: yeah thats what I thought, thanks |
| 08:55.53 | retro_neo | so if i'm not mistaken its upgrading from sarge directly to lenny |
| 08:56.13 | bpun | retro_neo, u cant.. u have to reboot the into the new kernel first.. |
| 08:56.32 | bpun | retro_neo, sarge is old.. |
| 08:56.37 | bpun | i mean.. |
| 08:56.39 | hle_o | hi! I have a question regarding processes. I'm trying to get ps to list all processes that started at boot time |
| 08:56.42 | bpun | not |
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| 08:56.57 | hle_o | can it be so simple to just grep after "sbin"? |
| 08:57.02 | bpun | retro_neo, i mean i havent try upgrading a distro for a long while.. but people have been very succesful |
| 08:57.08 | hargut | i've a little problem with the canon capt-printer driver. they provide sources with common debian/* structure. building that driver contains two different source packages. the one package called "-common" provides some libraries which the other called "-capt" needs. until now, no big deal. but after compiling these two packages, and trying a binary from the "-capt" package, it fails because it says: "error while loading shared libra |
| 08:57.08 | hargut | ry X" where X is provided by the "-common" driver package. |
| 08:57.09 | bpun | lol |
| 08:57.39 | hargut | the file itself is available under /usr/libs/, but it seems that the binary is missing some information where to find it. |
| 08:57.40 | bpun | hle_o, pstree |
| 08:57.54 | bpun | hle_o, ps ef |
| 08:58.06 | hargut | is there a solution to modify the debian/rules debian/? to load this library on runtime correctly? |
| 08:58.09 | bpun | hle_o, or ps aux can help |
| 08:58.19 | hle_o | bpun, I've run ps aux|grep sbin |
| 08:58.24 | hle_o | that's all? |
| 08:58.55 | bpun | hle_o, u can modify services with sysvconfig and service command (apt-get install sysvconfig sysv-rc-conf) |
| 08:59.12 | bpun | hle_o, that's what i'm using to modify services instead of invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d |
| 08:59.43 | hle_o | I see :) but other than I'm on the right track? |
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| 09:00.05 | bpun | hargut, i dont even think that directory exists |
| 09:00.30 | bpun | hargut, some 3rd party soft... what is it? |
| 09:00.33 | hargut | ldd on the mentioned binary says: "libcaepcm.so.1 => not found" but ls -l /usr/bin/libcaepcm.so.1 says, that this is a symlink to /usr/bin/libcaepcm.so.1.0 |
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| 09:00.53 | hargut | bpun: it's a canon printer driver for canon laser printers, called canon-capt |
| 09:01.20 | bpun | hargut, ? |
| 09:01.35 | bpun | hargut, file /usr/bin/libcaepcm.so.1.0 |
| 09:01.43 | bpun | hargut, does that file exist? |
| 09:02.00 | hargut | /usr/lib/libcaepcm.so.1.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
| 09:02.08 | hle_o | bpun, thanks for your help! |
| 09:02.17 | hle_o | pbun, much apreciated :) |
| 09:02.36 | bpun | hle_o, why are u making symlinks under /usr/bin ? |
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| 09:04.18 | hardnrg | any tips on how to view the qmail queue size via ssh ? |
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| 09:04.43 | hargut | http://paste.debian.net/32215/ for more details on ldd, file and the binary |
| 09:04.47 | bpun | hardnrg, try apropos qmail |
| 09:04.53 | hardnrg | ta |
| 09:05.02 | bpun | hardnrg, probably there's a qmailqueue command |
| 09:05.23 | hargut | has anyone an idea why this binary fails? compile time failure? |
| 09:05.41 | bpun | hargut, u ran haha.. u're gonna get tolled |
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| 09:06.36 | bpun | hargut, try this |
| 09:06.43 | hargut | bpun: what!? did i make an newbie mistake? |
| 09:07.12 | bpun | hargut, cd /usr/bin ; ln -s /usr/bin/libcaepcm.so.1.0 libcaepcm.so.1 |
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| 09:07.27 | ghang | bpun thak you very much !!! |
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| 09:08.14 | bpun | did u move it |
| 09:08.15 | bpun | ? |
| 09:08.27 | bpun | then use ln -s /usr/lib/libcaepcm.so.1.0 libcaepcm.so.1 |
| 09:08.32 | bpun | stop moving it! lol |
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| 09:08.55 | hargut | bpun: ln: creating symbolic link `libcaepcm.so.1': File exists |
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| 09:09.19 | Tarik | hi all |
| 09:09.22 | bpun | hargut, file usr/bin/libcaepcm.so.1 |
| 09:10.05 | bpun | hargut, file /usr/bin/libcaepcm.so.1 |
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| 09:10.43 | bpun | hargut, uname -a |
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| 09:11.40 | hargut | bpun: okay, that makes much more sense. |
| 09:11.56 | bpun | hargut, what is "that"? i'm not god here |
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| 09:12.11 | bpun | hargut, i wont help u if u cant provide output |
| 09:12.20 | hargut | but WTF are they compiling in their f***ing packages the libs for 32bit's and the bin's for 64bit. |
| 09:12.38 | hargut | bpun: http://paste.debian.net/32217/ |
| 09:12.42 | bpun | hargut, if that's ur opinion.. 32 can work on 64 |
| 09:12.43 | heroxbd | I have newly added a partition on a disk of a server, but it does not show up in /dev/. However in my PC adding partition results in immediately showing up of it. Both of the machine are running Debian Sid. Am I missing some package on the server? I tried "/etc/init.d/udev restart", no luck. I don't want to reboot the server. |
| 09:12.57 | bpun | hargut, bye |
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| 09:13.12 | hargut | bpun: hmm binary is also for 32bit |
| 09:13.28 | jeeger | Hey. I have a little problem with an nfs share: All the files in that share are chmodded 777, and I can do whatever I want on the client (write to files, read files etc.). However, as another user (except root), I can't write to files. The file system is exported with (rw,no_root_squash,no_wdelay,sync,no_subtree_check). |
| 09:13.29 | hargut | bpun: thanks! :) |
| 09:13.29 | bpun | hargut, ok.. if its just less then 3 lines u can paste it here.. |
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| 09:13.42 | hargut | benchvice:/usr/lib# file /usr/bin/captdrv |
| 09:13.42 | hargut | /usr/bin/captdrv: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, stripped |
| 09:13.46 | bpun | hargut, load the 32bit helper module |
| 09:14.07 | hargut | bpun: never heard of a 32bit helper module. - what is that? |
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| 09:15.17 | bpun | hargut, lsmod to pastebin |
| 09:15.24 | bpun | !xclip |
| 09:15.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, xclip is a command line utility that is designed to run on any system with an X11 implementation. It provides an interface to X selections ("the clipboard") from the command line. aptitude install xclip |
| 09:16.30 | bpun | i'm trying to find the name.. |
| 09:16.30 | hargut | bpun: http://paste.debian.net/32218/ |
| 09:16.53 | PeterM | Why is everybody using aptitute? Is it oldfashioned to use apt-get? What are the benefits of aptitude? |
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| 09:17.04 | bpun | hargut, ia32-libs is own ur system? (modprobe ia32-libs) |
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| 09:17.42 | bpun | PeterFA, apt-get is fine |
| 09:17.54 | bpun | PeterFA, dpkg is a bot.. not a real person |
| 09:17.59 | bpun | !dpkg bot |
| 09:18.00 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 09:18.12 | bpun | :) |
| 09:18.16 | hargut | bpun: ia32-libs is on my system but there's no module called ia32-libs |
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| 09:18.50 | PeterM | bpun: I see! :-) And what about aptitude? Is it a frontend to apt? Or to dpkg like apt-get is? |
| 09:18.54 | avu | !tell PeterM about why aptitude |
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| 09:19.12 | bpun | PeterFA, nope.. apt and aptitude are separeate.. u have to type aptitude update |
| 09:19.14 | bpun | !aptitude |
| 09:19.15 | dpkg | [aptitude] now the recommended tool for managing packages on your Debian system. You can use it as a CLI replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in Lenny, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>. |
| 09:19.44 | bpun | ^^ not very accurate what dpkg said.. but anyways... |
| 09:20.00 | bpun | aptitude u can make list selections ... apt-get u cant.. to my knowledge |
| 09:20.21 | xbj_A21m | the command alsa force-reload seems to be gone and replaced with alsasound restart?? |
| 09:20.24 | bpun | hargut, try locate ia32 |
| 09:20.58 | bpun | hargut, dpkg -L ia32-libs|grep mod ? |
| 09:21.04 | D4T | is it safe to reboot during a software raid re-sync? |
| 09:21.04 | bpun | hargut, is that a package name? |
| 09:21.34 | hargut | ia32-libs is a package name, but doesn't contain files with mod in their path. |
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| 09:22.13 | bpun | hardnrg, can u output its list? (dpkg -L ia32-libs | xclip) (then can paste with middle mousebutton) |
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| 09:23.57 | PeterM | bpun: Oh! It's seperate… Thanks! I'll go and read the manual. :-) |
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| 09:24.41 | bpun | PeterFA, they all work agains the same /var/lib/dpkg database ... so it doesnt matter which one is used... but try to stick with one |
| 09:24.54 | hargut | bpun: http://paste.debian.net/32219/ |
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| 09:25.13 | hargut | bpun: nice tool "xclip" - thanks for that hint. :) |
| 09:25.17 | bpun | PeterFA, aptitude typed alone brings the text gui |
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| 09:25.39 | bpun | hargut, there's also pastebinit package.. |
| 09:25.43 | PeterM | bpun: I'm PeterM! :-) Thanks. :-) I'll stick with apt as long as its still working for me… |
| 09:25.45 | bpun | hargut, even faster :) |
| 09:26.09 | hargut | bpun: yes, i know that pastebin packages, but mostly when i tried them the pastebin mirrors where pretty slow. |
| 09:26.23 | hargut | i don't know if there's one available for a "fast" pastbin server. |
| 09:26.31 | hargut | pastebin.ca for example is horrible slow. |
| 09:26.35 | mycae | Hi, I'm having some problems with the "install base system" step, after downloading the EEEPC-debian image. I get an error from debootsrap "/usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/squeeze"/"no such script %s" |
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| 09:27.11 | hargut | mycae: maybe try testing as target instead of squeeze |
| 09:27.11 | icedtea | how do you get iceweasel to identify itself as firefox? |
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| 09:27.55 | xbj_A21m | icedtea I had to do that to get google gears to work |
| 09:27.57 | mycae | There is no "squeeze" option. I only selected testing |
| 09:28.03 | xbj_A21m | I forgot how though |
| 09:28.06 | bpun | hargut, what's the name of the program? |
| 09:28.18 | xbj_A21m | lemme think.. |
| 09:28.19 | PeterM | Does pastebinit run with pastebin.debian.org in lenny? |
| 09:28.22 | mycae | "Debian version to install:" "stable/testing/unstable" |
| 09:28.24 | hargut | captdrv |
| 09:28.29 | hargut | bpun: ^^ |
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| 09:28.59 | D4T | anyone? |
| 09:29.56 | hargut | icedtea: have a look at general.useragent.extra.firefox in about:config |
| 09:30.15 | xbj_A21m | beat me to it barely :p |
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| 09:31.11 | bpun | hargut, something to do with it... ask #kernel.. or try using LD_CONFIG before running the app |
| 09:31.14 | icedtea | hargut: I'm on testing and don't see that option |
| 09:31.32 | icedtea | hargut: or at least I'm not allowed to change it |
| 09:32.08 | bpun | hargut, what does /usr/share/doc/ia32-libs/README.Debian say ? |
| 09:32.11 | mycae | Hmm. Stable worked.. I guess I will have to do a post-upgrade... |
| 09:32.18 | hargut | bpun: thanks. i'll first have a look if i can compile it with -m64 |
| 09:32.26 | mycae | :( |
| 09:32.36 | hargut | bpun: sould give that readme a try. :) |
| 09:32.45 | bpun | hargut, u can paste that file if u want.. i dont have 64bit here.. |
| 09:33.22 | hargut | bpun: dpkg -X <package_name>.deb /emul/ia32-linux |
| 09:33.22 | hargut | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.31 | hargut | bpun: that's from the readme and seems to do that job. |
| 09:33.44 | hargut | looks quite as a/the solution. |
| 09:33.48 | bpun | hargut, ? |
| 09:33.57 | bpun | hargut, u downloaded the deb file ? |
| 09:34.17 | hargut | bpun: no, i compiled it myself, but from the canon sources. |
| 09:34.25 | bpun | hargut, hmm |
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| 09:35.00 | bpun | hargut, did u look at the cjet package? |
| 09:35.15 | xbj_A21m | icedtea do you see it listed when you type about:config into iceweasel? |
| 09:35.16 | hargut | bpun: the two lines above where from the readme "/usr/share/doc/ia32-libs/README.Debian", and i think that LD_LIBRARY_PATH is different for 32bit apps than for 64bit apps, and the canon libs which are 32bit are on the wrong place. |
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| 09:35.52 | bpun | hargut, what canon printer is it? i can look at the tarball |
| 09:36.03 | hargut | LBP5000 |
| 09:36.12 | hargut | bpun: http://support-sg.canon-asia.com/contents/SG/EN/0900772407.html |
| 09:36.20 | icedtea | xbj_A21m: Yeah I see it |
| 09:36.23 | hargut | bpun: http://support-sg.canon-asia.com/contents/SG/EN/0900772501.html |
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| 09:36.28 | icedtea | xbj_A21m: ty |
| 09:36.32 | hargut | bpun: the second one are just the sources. |
| 09:36.33 | xbj_A21m | icedtea right-click and do Modify |
| 09:36.54 | hargut | bpun: and debian/rules has to be slightly modified to work. |
| 09:37.02 | xbj_A21m | icedtea then set it to Firefox/3.0.6 |
| 09:37.08 | xbj_A21m | or I think 3.0.7 now |
| 09:37.12 | hargut | bpun: uncomment dh_shlibsdep (or similar) |
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| 09:37.57 | bpun | hargut, can u xclip the readme.debian file? |
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| 09:38.31 | hargut | bpun: http://paste.debian.net/32220/ |
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| 09:39.40 | icedtea | oh crap it still doesn't work :( |
| 09:40.07 | xbj_A21m | you couldn't change it? |
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| 09:40.20 | icedtea | no abc.com doesn't like the os |
| 09:40.28 | xbj_A21m | I see |
| 09:40.30 | icedtea | maybe I'll change that too :) |
| 09:40.38 | xbj_A21m | ha |
| 09:40.40 | mycae | xbj_A21m - there is a firefox plugin to fake your user-agent ID |
| 09:40.55 | bpun | hargut, the #kernel folks i'm sure know how to use the ldconfig command properly for this.. |
| 09:41.42 | icedtea | how does firefox on windows identify itself in the general.useragent.extra.firefoxComment string |
| 09:41.54 | bpun | hargut, try copying the troubling lib to /emul/ia32-linux |
| 09:42.21 | mycae | icedtea: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59 has a DB of user agent strings |
| 09:42.38 | hargut | bpun: yes, that was also my idea. |
| 09:43.25 | bpun | hargut, or maybe its /emul/ia32-linux/lib ? |
| 09:43.31 | icedtea | mycae: sweet thanks :D |
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| 09:44.15 | bpun | hargut, do u have a directory /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib ? |
| 09:44.37 | hargut | bpun: i have /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib and /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib |
| 09:44.47 | hargut | bpun: and it works now! |
| 09:44.53 | bpun | hargut, good! |
| 09:44.55 | bpun | lol |
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| 09:45.25 | hargut | bpun: copying the lib to /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/ and symlinking it there the same way like it's in /usr/lib, and everything is fine. |
| 09:45.27 | bpun | hargut, its still pretty new crap.. at the time this folk i know got 32 on 64 using ld_config variable.. |
| 09:45.28 | hargut | bpun: thanks! |
| 09:45.46 | bpun | haha |
| 09:45.48 | bpun | so simple |
| 09:46.03 | bpun | hargut, print something dam you!! |
| 09:46.09 | bpun | hargut, be sure it works!! |
| 09:46.10 | bpun | lol |
| 09:46.12 | hargut | bpun: the ia32-libs stuff is pretty simple, but sometimes annoying. ;) |
| 09:46.31 | hargut | bpun: we'll see because the driver isn't really good. it is crap stuff to be honest. |
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| 09:46.41 | hargut | hopefully i'll get cups running with it... |
| 09:47.32 | bpun | hargut, the new crapology stuff 32 on 64 the routines is probably still experimental.. it was totally new territory as of last year.. |
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| 09:47.48 | bpun | hargut, but i'm sure its stable enough by now |
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| 09:48.44 | bpun | hargut, good to know this shit.. still alot of 32 for slow poke companies to source to 64 |
| 09:48.47 | hargut | bpun: the 32/64bit stuff is not the problem, the problem is the canon driver which seems to be really crappy setup in debian/*. because when i built a new package from source, i normaly built it for the architecture it is built on, and not for "fixed" 32 bit. |
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| 09:49.41 | bpun | hargut, it's abi |
| 09:50.19 | hargut | bpun: ia32 environment is pretty simple to set up, because when you use ia32-libs-tools you can configure apt to automatically add libs to /emul/ and so you can get a full functional 32bit environment on 64bit without much work on tat. |
| 09:50.23 | bpun | hargut, similar as to what wine does.. support a binry image format |
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| 09:52.13 | hargut | bpun: no, i don't think that this has to do with abi, because the canon printer driver just adds a fifo where cups inserts the rendered ppd stuff, and the driver just converts the format to a printer understandable format. (because they need to do an extra specific printer-language than all others....) |
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| 09:52.59 | _lukas | Hi, can I talk with somebody about google summer of code? |
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| 09:53.43 | bpun | hargut, u mean its a plugin for cups? |
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| 09:54.02 | bpun | _lukas, google! |
| 09:54.10 | bpun | _lukas, what kind of question is that? |
| 09:54.13 | bpun | lol |
| 09:54.37 | JJoliver | bpun: Okay, I worked out what was wrong, the apt-cdrom add was missing |
| 09:54.41 | _lukas | bpun: it is kind of normal question |
| 09:54.46 | hargut | bpun: not really a plugin, its a demon which watches a fifo and cpus writes to that fifo. the printer demon then just looks if something new gets into that fifo and sends it converted to the usb-port of the printer. |
| 09:54.50 | petemc | _lukas: #gsoc |
| 09:55.19 | JJoliver | bpun: But now i set up auto login to gnome and the default gnome resolution is not supported by my monitor so switches off. Is there a way to change gdm not to autologin for tty1? |
| 09:55.21 | _lukas | petemc: but I need talk about project for debian |
| 09:55.38 | hargut | bpun: yes, it's a demon and not a deamon. ;) |
| 09:55.42 | bpun | JJoliver, huh? |
| 09:56.04 | JJoliver | bpun: i was trying to install open office on a fresh install of debian / gnome using gdm |
| 09:56.30 | JJoliver | but I set gdm to auto log into gnome and gnome turns my monitor off, so a bit of a problem don'tcha think? |
| 09:56.39 | bpun | JJoliver, i said apt-get ... i have no idea if its on ur cd |
| 09:56.49 | bpun | JJoliver, we already discussed this.. no? |
| 09:57.03 | bpun | JJoliver, and i have no idea if that pc has network |
| 09:57.31 | bpun | JJoliver, so did the find command show anything for openoffice? u never told me |
| 09:57.43 | JJoliver | bpun: Yeah the apt-get didn't work so was not getting the right list. . . . |
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| 09:57.56 | bpun | JJoliver, apt-get update? |
| 09:58.10 | JJoliver | bpun: no because f didn't work. I mounted the CD on my mac and found that oo was there |
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| 09:58.27 | JJoliver | bpun: OO is installed properly now . . . |
| 09:58.27 | bpun | JJoliver, does that pc have network or not? |
| 09:58.32 | bpun | JJoliver, ok |
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| 09:58.46 | bpun | JJoliver, so boot int runlevel 1 |
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| 09:58.48 | hargut | bpun: thanks for your help. :) |
| 09:58.57 | bpun | JJoliver, append "1" at the grub's kernel bootline |
| 09:59.02 | bpun | hargut, that's interesting.. |
| 09:59.07 | JJoliver | bpun: cool thanks |
| 09:59.09 | bpun | hargut, is it easy to setup? |
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| 09:59.21 | hargut | bpun: until now i wasn't able to print on page. ;) |
| 09:59.35 | bpun | JJoliver, assuming u cant reach a terminal.. |
| 09:59.40 | hargut | bpun: the setup itself following the readme is quite simple, but until now it doesn't work. |
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| 10:00.06 | bpun | hargut, "until now"? wtf? still doesnt work? hahahaha |
| 10:00.11 | hargut | bpun: first i used driver version 1.6, no result. no log, no error, nothing from that canon demon. |
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| 10:00.40 | hargut | bpun: there are options to set the loglevel for that demon, and stuff like that, but it seems that the deamon doesn't care for that. |
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| 10:01.16 | bpun | hargut, u know something with the ethernet... are u :) or :( |
| 10:01.24 | bpun | hargut, does it work or not man? |
| 10:01.25 | bpun | lol |
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| 10:02.10 | hargut | bpun: then i tried to use the never driver version 1.80, and there the demon always segfaulted, now i tried to compile 1.8 myself to avoid a segfault because of different version numbers from the libs. |
| 10:02.21 | hargut | bpun: it doesn't work right now. |
| 10:02.31 | hargut | bpun: but i hope it will in the next few minutes. |
| 10:02.35 | bpun | hargut u talk too much :) |
| 10:02.44 | hargut | maybe. |
| 10:02.46 | hargut | ;) |
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| 10:04.08 | enouf | s/talk/type/ ; s/deamon/daemon/ ; s/doesn't/didn't/ ... there |
| 10:04.28 | enouf | all better now |
| 10:04.57 | bpun | enouf, hargut has no idea what he's talking about :) lol |
| 10:05.37 | enouf | neither do i :-p |
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| 10:09.39 | JyZyXEL | $apt-cache search virtualbox |
| 10:09.40 | JyZyXEL | virtualbox-ose - Yo dawg! we heard u like crashing, so we put a virtual OS inside ur OS so you can crash while u crash |
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| 10:15.12 | H2S04 | JyZyXEL, say that again and I'm going to mindjail you. |
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| 10:25.00 | norc | Hello, with an AMD62 X2 processor, should I rather go for amd64 or stick to i386? |
| 10:25.18 | norc | For the kernel I mean |
| 10:26.30 | diabu | how many ram do you have' |
| 10:26.31 | diabu | ?* |
| 10:26.33 | killbox_ | i _think_ you can use either |
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| 10:26.55 | norc | I know that killbox, the question is just how well is the support for amd64 packages |
| 10:27.21 | norc | Because a while ago it made more sense to go straight for i386 if you wanted to run many applications, especially proprietary ones |
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| 10:28.53 | killbox_ | when i tried x64 i couldnt get everything working properly, but i am not that familiar with debian atm |
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| 10:29.27 | killbox_ | so i ended up useing the i386 version... that and the system only has 512mb of ram so i dont believe there would be much benifit |
| 10:29.27 | norc | I suppose going for i386 is the safer way then |
| 10:29.40 | norc | Well, it's not about the memory |
| 10:29.43 | hargut | norc: nearly every debian app is available for 64bit. java could need a manual installation, as until the last version there was no 64bit plugin for firefox/konqueror/whatever available. |
| 10:30.00 | hargut | norc: flash also works for a few month 64bit native. |
| 10:30.06 | norc | hargut, ah nice, that's very good to hear :) |
| 10:30.13 | norc | Lot changed apparently |
| 10:30.37 | hargut | norc: i see no real reason why to stay on 32bit, except you use many 32bit proprietary software. |
| 10:30.41 | hurricaneharry | its usaly possible to use 32bit on 64 kernel though ? |
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| 10:30.56 | hargut | norc: when you have enough ram. (thats also a limitation.) |
| 10:31.04 | norc | hargut, 4GB here. :) |
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| 10:31.26 | hargut | hurricaneharry: yes, but u need ia32-libs for all libraries the 32bit app needs. |
| 10:31.31 | norc | hargut, I suppose it's not a wise idea to mix 32bit and 64bit packages together in one system, right? |
| 10:31.35 | hargut | norc: 4gb is enaugh. |
| 10:31.38 | hargut | s/au/ou |
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| 10:32.08 | hannah_irina | hi, i have a question, i have sendmail installed in debian, and i want to put a automatic signature for all email how i can do this? |
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| 10:32.19 | hargut | norc: go for a 64bit setup and use ia32-libs/ia32-libs-tools and you won't mix up things. but normally you won't need 32bit libs. |
| 10:32.54 | norc | mhm. well, I have lots of harddrive space, so I suppose I could a seperate 32bit partition in case I might have to run some proprietary software |
| 10:33.08 | hargut | norc: you can mix everything together, as long as you really know what you do. ;) |
| 10:33.09 | norc | I mean, sharing the /home/ dir isn't really a problem :) |
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| 10:33.19 | norc | Yeah well, I hate breaking things |
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| 10:33.51 | norc | Anyway, I think I got enough to go on from here, thanks a lot hargut |
| 10:33.54 | hargut | norc: i wouldn't see a reason why to do two extra installations of one system for 32bit and 64bit with sharing the /home |
| 10:34.07 | norc | well |
| 10:34.17 | norc | I like to stuff all my data in my home directory |
| 10:34.27 | norc | anyway |
| 10:34.29 | hargut | norc: yes, that's for what the /home is. ;) |
| 10:34.36 | norc | my point is |
| 10:34.55 | norc | I like to have say my movies (all legally purchased of course! :) ) all ready |
| 10:34.58 | norc | in case I get bored while working |
| 10:35.10 | norc | although I supopse having these kind of things on a seperate partition might work as wel |
| 10:35.11 | norc | idk |
| 10:35.25 | norc | considering that both would use the same config files in the home directory |
| 10:35.28 | norc | it might actually a bad idea |
| 10:35.29 | norc | =) |
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| 10:35.55 | hurricaneharry | indeed, just go 64 and if really needed install some 32 libs. |
| 10:36.20 | norc | Thanks :) |
| 10:36.24 | norc | Will do |
| 10:36.26 | hurricaneharry | i used to have that for flash until 64 was published. |
| 10:36.27 | hargut | norc: keep in mind: setting up 2 distributions, means to maintain two. installing some 32bit libs on a 64bit system is not much work. |
| 10:36.35 | norc | mhmm.. true |
| 10:36.35 | norc | ok |
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| 10:37.40 | hargut | norc: and i think it's better to invest time, to find alternatives for 32bit proprietary software, as to spend time on maintaining two distributions. ;) |
| 10:37.56 | norc | true again |
| 10:38.00 | bpun | hargut, it should be transparent anyways.. i dont think there's anything to worry of :) |
| 10:38.00 | norc | although it's just my personal computer |
| 10:38.01 | norc | but anyway |
| 10:38.22 | norc | No need to keep convincing me =p |
| 10:38.29 | bpun | the ia32-libs is probably installed by default anyways... the rest should be transparent and no worry to about |
| 10:38.36 | norc | alright :) |
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| 10:39.15 | bpun | gotta go |
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| 10:39.17 | bpun | take care :) |
| 10:39.18 | hargut | bpun: it's as long transparent as you use the package-manager for all the stuff you install. (everything else get's fast confusing.) |
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| 10:39.52 | norc | well hargut, I always felt that using dpkg/apt exclusively is a good practise |
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| 10:40.05 | norc | because mixing in packages through different delivery systems - that is really not a good idea |
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| 10:40.29 | hargut | norc: it's for sure the best idea to keep a setup running over years without (big) troubles. |
| 10:40.32 | gumbox | is anyone else having problems with the mouse wheel not scrolling the page in the new epdfview 0.1.7? |
| 10:41.54 | gumbox | how do i downgrade to a previous version of epdfview? |
| 10:42.50 | hargut | gumbox: "apt-cache policy epdfview" and see if there is some older version available |
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| 10:46.56 | EagleScreen | hello |
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| 10:47.25 | enouf | or go get the older version and install it - careful of depends |
| 10:47.54 | chomwitt | hi. in lenny epiphany crashed. (i'was used to iceweasel but i decided to make a turn). Anywau bugbuddy popped up and i sent a bug report. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577544 The answer is to upgrade to a newer version of gnome! Is there a debian workaround without toucing sources.list? |
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| 10:51.18 | gumbox | also.. i read a lot of stuff on apt-get's man.. but i can't manage to do the following: i wanna keep lenny, squeeze (the version i'm using), and sid in the sources.list file, but have apt-get download from lenny or sid only when i tell it to do it with -t. there's no preferences file or apt.conf.d/70debconf. |
| 10:51.45 | gumbox | only* apt.conf.d/70debconf |
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| 10:52.13 | etb | how can i add a user and just give him ftp privileges? if ihow can i add a user and just give him ftp privileges? if i use adduser he's allowed to email as well. use adduser he's allowed to email as well. |
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| 10:58.21 | hurricaneharry | etb: i guess you need an ftp server wich does not auth to /etc/passwd |
| 10:58.51 | hurricaneharry | etb: something like proftpd with for example mysql authentication ? |
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| 10:59.54 | etb | hurricaneharry: hm i dont wanna have mysql just for it |
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| 11:00.40 | EagleScreen | has anyone tested kernel 2.6.29 on unstable? |
| 11:00.47 | hurricaneharry | there is possibly other methods of auth. within proftpd. |
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| 11:01.29 | hurricaneharry | etb: i'm just pointing out it standard uses /etc/passwd ... |
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| 11:01.51 | etb | hurricaneharry: yeah ok |
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| 11:02.46 | hurricaneharry | etb: check here http://www.proftpd.org/localsite/Userguide/linked/c572.html |
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| 11:03.10 | etb | hurricaneharry: yeah but i use vsftp |
| 11:03.24 | adb | !tell etb about ftp must die |
| 11:03.54 | hurricaneharry | etb: i dont know vsftp but i suppose something simmilar should be there. |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sun-java-5' returned no results. |
| 11:05.18 | hurricaneharry | etb: maybe ask in #vsftpd ( on freenode aswell ) |
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| 11:06.46 | PiousMinion | Is there a way I can start a new vnc session which displays GDM when someone connects AND have that session resumable upon disconnection? |
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| 11:08.05 | drax2gma | hi all |
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| 11:09.15 | drax2gma | anyone knows how to "extend" an expired self signed certificate? What is the clear method for this? |
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| 11:14.03 | mazzachre | Anyone here who have setup an openvpn server? |
| 11:14.12 | mazzachre | (##openvpn channel is dead) |
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| 11:15.05 | HurricaneHarry_ | etb: you should be looking at virtual users in vsftp... as an example http://howto.gumph.org/content/setup-virtual-users-and-directories-in-vsftpd/ |
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| 11:16.43 | HurricaneHarry_ | mazzachre: #openvpn has users here. |
| 11:16.54 | ex-parrot | hey all... trying to install lenny over a USB serial connection... obviously /dev/ttyUSB0 isn't present when the kernel starts up.... is there some other solution? |
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| 11:18.40 | mazzachre | HurricaneHarry_: Well still no one helps :( |
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| 11:22.59 | hargut | yesss! the printer works now fine. |
| 11:23.05 | hargut | that's great! :) |
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| 11:45.08 | seer | hey you all |
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| 11:45.22 | seer | i'm having some trouble installing my soundcard driver on deb |
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| 11:45.53 | seer | i'm trying to install the azalia driver |
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| 11:47.49 | S3v3N | Hello. I logged in debian with my user not as root and I got this msg (http://debian.pastebin.com/m22a1aa7a) =You have new mail=. How do I check it, and how I could have new mail if I dont have mail server? Thanks. |
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| 11:48.57 | nkuttler | S3v3N: um, install mutt and run it. the system generates mails |
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| 11:49.25 | chuckkh | help! I did an upgrade with Synaptic and now all of the options in network-admin are grayed out! |
| 11:49.49 | chuckkh | I see a button to "unlock", but it's also grayed out |
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| 11:50.06 | S3v3N | nkuttler: I have mutt already the newest version. How do I run it? |
| 11:50.22 | nkuttler | S3v3N: you type "mutt" and hit the enter key |
| 11:50.29 | nkuttler | S3v3N: in a terminal of course |
| 11:50.47 | S3v3N | ./root/Mail does not exist. Create it? ([yes]/no): |
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| 11:52.29 | S3v3N | nkuttler: /var/mail/root: No such file or directory (errno = 2) |
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| 11:52.56 | FilipeMaia | Does anyone know what I need to have shared mmap write support with fuse? |
| 11:53.04 | nkuttler | S3v3N: run mutt as the user who got the message |
| 11:53.09 | S3v3N | oh ok |
| 11:53.55 | S3v3N | wow i've got some error i pastebin them if you could help me. |
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| 11:55.28 | S3v3N | nkuttler: http://debian.pastebin.com/m6e7ed840 - http://debian.pastebin.com/m718c8ef6 -> first and the second one, how could i solve this? |
| 11:56.18 | nkuttler | S3v3N: ignore them. or are you running a public webserver? |
| 11:56.40 | spq | i have a server that has a problem: when i try to connect with ssh -vvv it hangs after "debug1: Entering interactive session." |
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| 11:56.49 | S3v3N | nkuttler: Yes apache2, accesable to everbody http://89.212.233.86 , but there's emtpy index.php so nobody see nothing |
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| 11:57.08 | nkuttler | S3v3N: um, go read the apache docs or /usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/* |
| 11:58.43 | S3v3N | nkuttler: there is no folder apache2-doc in /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 11:59.32 | prince_jammys | S3v3N: install the apache2-doc package |
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| 12:00.04 | S3v3N | prince_jammys: done, and now? |
| 12:00.15 | prince_jammys | now it'll be there :) |
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| 12:00.28 | S3v3N | i see but, what i do with this nkuttler ? :) |
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| 12:01.34 | nkuttler | S3v3N: you read it. or ask in #apache what to read. we can't walk you through configuring every service |
| 12:01.55 | WormFood | I'm getting a "Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working, and the acpid daemon is running"....I did that...the socket is accessable, and the daemon is running.....google is no help....anyone have any suggestions? |
| 12:02.11 | foetus | how can i prevent scrollkeeper from installing in /etc/apt/preferences without becoming an apt-get error ? |
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| 12:02.13 | S3v3N | nkuttler: i know of course but what if i won't configure it, would be something wrong or my apache2 will still run? |
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| 12:03.21 | foetus | or in other words - how could i remove scrollkeeper from the dependencies ? |
| 12:03.24 | nkuttler | S3v3N: depends on how you define 'run' |
| 12:03.37 | foetus | or mask, maybe.. |
| 12:03.45 | S3v3N | nkuttler: just to run, that i put something on server and then its accessable on internet that's it. |
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| 12:05.27 | nkuttler | S3v3N: probably not. #apache |
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| 12:07.58 | WormFood | I'm getting an error that says "Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working, and the acpid daemon is running"....I did that...the socket is accessable, and the daemon is running.....google is no help....anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 12:10.41 | aflag | hello, I remember someone suggesting a tool for installing packages on debian when you only have a windows system with internet. It was some program that creates a repository on a cd or pendrive or something like that |
| 12:10.48 | aflag | anyone knows what's it called? |
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| 12:11.59 | rajazz | knoppix ? |
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| 12:12.38 | aflag | knoppix is a linux distribution, no? |
| 12:13.53 | WormFood | yes |
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| 12:14.11 | aflag | I want to download all .debs and dependencies of some package and save it in some storage media and then install that on my installed debian. |
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| 12:15.08 | jelly | aflag: apt-zip, perhaps |
| 12:15.38 | aflag | yeah! that's it |
| 12:15.40 | aflag | thanks |
| 12:15.47 | jelly | aflag: /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 12:15.59 | jelly | there seem to be alternatives |
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| 12:22.19 | retro_neo | I just upgraded, and I'm now getting the following all the time : http://pastebin.ca/1379922 |
| 12:22.52 | rajazz | retro_neo: upgraded to what... |
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| 12:24.09 | rajazz | retro_neo: you have some trouble with locals... |
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| 12:25.37 | WormFood | what is the bash variable that is the exit status of the previous executed program....fuck! I can't find it in the bash manpage (and I know it is there) |
| 12:25.40 | retro_neo | rajazz: sarge -> etch -> lenny |
| 12:25.52 | mycae | WormFood: $? |
| 12:26.08 | WormFood | yeah, thats it mycae, thanks |
| 12:26.16 | mycae | np |
| 12:26.25 | WormFood | I must have spent over 5 minutes searching for it |
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| 12:26.38 | WormFood | why the fuck they hide things in the bash manpage is beyond me |
| 12:26.40 | mycae | I highly recommend the sams book on bash scripting |
| 12:27.03 | WormFood | ebook? |
| 12:27.08 | mycae | Not sure. Could be. |
| 12:27.14 | mycae | I have dead tree. |
| 12:27.20 | WormFood | I haven't done any bash scripting lately, but I've written some damn cool stuff with bash script |
| 12:27.29 | WormFood | I even wrote a daemon in bash script once |
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| 12:27.44 | WormFood | complete with pid files, it could detect multiple copies of itself running |
| 12:27.45 | rajazz | WormFood: take it easy... |
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| 12:28.13 | WormFood | rajazz, you mean "take it easy" or "take it sleazy"? |
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| 12:29.04 | WormFood | the bash man page says "expands to the status of the most recently executed foreground pipeline |
| 12:29.36 | WormFood | no fuckin't wonder I couldn't find it....everywhere else in the fuckin' man page it calls it an exit status....I'm searching for "exit", that is why I couldn't find it |
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| 12:30.00 | rajazz | WormFood: juaz! (Try with more clever expresive ways to demonstrate annoying that the typic f*cking words) |
| 12:30.02 | rajazz | :) |
| 12:30.31 | rajazz | retro_neo: did you performed a down-grade ?? |
| 12:30.38 | WormFood | what the fuck do you want me to say when i'm fuckin' pissed off that they hide the god damn shit I'm looking for? :P |
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| 12:30.47 | rajazz | retro_neo: ups.. sorryy |
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| 12:31.12 | WormFood | I'm getting an error that says "Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working, and the acpid daemon is running"....I did that...the socket is accessable, and the daemon is running.....google is no help....anyone have any suggestions? |
| 12:31.46 | rajazz | retro_neo: you need to set the LC_ALL env variable |
| 12:31.51 | WormFood | "acpi_available" returns the proper code that says the acpi subsystem is available |
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| 12:33.09 | mne | Hi, I'm trying to use a google calendar in gnome evolution. It does not seem to work at all. Evolution "sees" the calendar, but neither are events imported nor can I export events from evolution. it seems to be completely broken |
| 12:34.11 | rajazz | retro_neo: do you need more help? |
| 12:34.48 | rajazz | retro_neo: please, give me the result of --> $ echo $LANG |
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| 12:37.00 | rajazz | retro_neo:$ echo $LANG |
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| 12:37.10 | trampy | hi |
| 12:37.14 | trampy | print screen isn't working |
| 12:37.17 | trampy | im using kde 3.5 |
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| 12:37.30 | rajazz | trampy: hi, how do you do... |
| 12:37.40 | retro_neo | rajazz: fr_FR@euro |
| 12:37.40 | trampy | the print screen key |
| 12:37.58 | retro_neo | rajazz: but I think its fixed (I reinstalled the locales package) |
| 12:38.07 | rajazz | trampy: change your keyboard |
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| 12:39.22 | rajazz | retro_neo: fantastic |
| 12:39.59 | rajazz | trampy: have you a GNOME ? |
| 12:40.05 | rajazz | or only kde |
| 12:40.56 | retro_neo | I must say though, that ubuntu has spoiled me, I'm not used to upgrades being this problematic anymore... |
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| 12:43.06 | eptalon | heyas.. |
| 12:43.06 | rajazz | retro_neo: I had trouble with locales time ago... but it was a problem of environmet |
| 12:43.23 | stew | that error is generally that locales got uninstalled |
| 12:43.34 | stew | retro_neo: were you following the release notes when upgrding? |
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| 12:45.48 | retro_neo | stew: yes |
| 12:46.02 | rajazz | what p2p client do you recommend ?? |
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| 12:47.22 | lxsameer | how can i force ssh in client side to use specific private key filename |
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| 12:48.19 | stew | retro_neo: i'm suprised this package would have gotten removed then. do you know if it got removed during the sarge->etch upgrade or the etch->lenny upgrade? |
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| 12:48.29 | stew | retro_neo: like, when did you start noticing that warning? |
| 12:48.37 | stew | lxsameer: with -i |
| 12:49.17 | enouf | WormFood: you want '$$' ? or ask in #bash |
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| 12:49.43 | lxsameer | stew : do you mean ssh -i privkey ? is there any way to automate this job |
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| 12:50.25 | stew | lxsameer: what do you mean by automate? you could create an alias perhaps |
| 12:50.27 | enouf | WormFood: i used to get ""Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working, and the acpid daemon is running". all the time - i think it was due to powernowd |
| 12:50.41 | stew | lxsameer: if you add multiple keys to ssh-agent, it will try them all until one works |
| 12:50.44 | enouf | WormFood: so i blacklisted all those modules ;-) |
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| 12:51.14 | retro_neo | stew: during the sarge->etch, but the problem is that I first tried doing sarge->lenny and had problems, so then did etch... |
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| 12:52.11 | stew | retro_neo: what commands did you use to go from sarge->lenny? |
| 12:52.24 | lxsameer | stew : i want tu use git via ssh . the server and i have the public key . but my private key filename is not id_rsa is |
| 12:52.48 | lxsameer | stew : and until i rename that to id_rsa ssh ask me forpassword |
| 12:53.00 | retro_neo | stew: apt-get upgrade / apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 12:53.42 | steven___ | Hi as experimental isn't strictly a distribution what do packages get compiled against ? |
| 12:53.46 | stew | retro_neo: oh, yeah, i'd certainly expect problems, such as the one you are describing then |
| 12:53.53 | retro_neo | stew: and had problems related to required version and libc |
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| 12:53.57 | steven___ | just what happend to be in experimental, or unstable ? |
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| 12:54.18 | stew | lxsameer: you should be able to configure git to use a specific ssh command somehow |
| 12:54.21 | jelly | steven___: generally to unstable. |
| 12:54.53 | jelly | steven___: they'd use other experimental packages as deps only if they were related |
| 12:55.24 | stew | lxsameer: are you in a graphical environment? |
| 12:55.29 | steven___ | jelly: thanks.. |
| 12:55.39 | lxsameer | stew : yeah |
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| 12:56.00 | lxsameer | stew: does ssh look for id_rsa only? |
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| 12:56.09 | ma3x | how do i list all installed packages on the system in one line? |
| 12:56.11 | eptalon | Any known issues with Debian sid and Firewire or E-Sata (under 2.6.28+)? |
| 12:56.16 | ma3x | i need this, to install the same packages on another system |
| 12:56.19 | stew | lxsameer: try running "ssh-add /path/to/private.key |
| 12:56.28 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 12:56.58 | ma3x | stew: i got this our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) what is it? |
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| 12:57.46 | lxsameer | stew: it works thanks a lot |
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| 12:58.13 | stew | ma3x: i dont' know |
| 12:58.15 | stew | !aptitude clone |
| 12:58.15 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserve information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall><things to backup> |
| 12:58.18 | stew | ma3x: ^^ |
| 12:59.43 | ma3x | stew: but that prints them with new line, can i have all in one line? |
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| 13:02.37 | stew | ma3x: uhh, sure, you can use paste or 'xargs echo' to combine them into one line |
| 13:03.06 | ma3x | ok thanks stew |
| 13:05.04 | lxsameer | stew : when i type ssh-add privkey i get this: could not open connection to your authentication agent |
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| 13:07.15 | stew | lxsameer: then you are either on a shell on a box where no agent is started, or in a shell that doesn' thave the SSH_AUTH_SOCK env variable set correctly |
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| 13:07.56 | lxsameer | stew: i try that on another machine , what should i do |
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| 13:08.43 | TTT | just a silly question: how many packages are there in Lenny, total, on amd64 or x86 platforms? |
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| 13:09.57 | stew | lxsameer: either start an ssh-agent on that machine and set the env varaible, or figure out how to configure what command git uses for ssh to include the -i |
| 13:10.13 | TTT | ok, synaptic lists that as ~23000 |
| 13:10.14 | stew | TTT: around 22k |
| 13:10.27 | TTT | that's actually very impressive |
| 13:11.03 | TTT | I remember times when there were complains that debian is becoming unmaintainable at 10k packages |
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| 13:11.50 | enouf | compare that to how many lines of code are now in the kernel :-P |
| 13:11.54 | mycae | Is it safe to simply modify a lenny install to a squeeze just by modifying sources.list then aptitude update? |
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| 13:12.41 | enouf | if you count all ARCHes i think it's over 9 Million O_o |
| 13:13.08 | enouf | mycae: define safe |
| 13:13.50 | Boohbah | mycae: aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 13:14.23 | mycae | safe: My machine will still boot and give a terminal. |
| 13:14.37 | TTT | mycae, should do that |
| 13:14.45 | mycae | Cheers |
| 13:14.47 | enouf | mycae: i mean; i can pretty much guarantee your house won't burn down and your car won't blow up from doing as you ask |
| 13:15.07 | TTT | i don't remember upgrade to testing borking entire system for a while |
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| 13:15.42 | TTT | mycae, have a boot CD just in case |
| 13:15.43 | enouf | you don't spend much time here, do you |
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| 13:17.18 | Yancho | Hi, my dad has a laptop with debian on it. is it possible that i do an whole disk image of that disk on a usb hard disk please? if yes what software do i need to look into? |
| 13:17.41 | petemc | parted can do disk images |
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| 13:18.24 | enouf | partimage? |
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| 13:19.42 | Boohbah | Yancho: dd |
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| 13:20.44 | Yancho | dd? |
| 13:20.56 | mycae | Yacnho: dd can do it, if you are happy with the command line |
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| 13:21.19 | Yancho | prefer a gui option |
| 13:21.42 | Yancho | gparted is it the same as parted? |
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| 13:22.18 | iv_s_ | hi, i have vds with centos, but i want to install debian, i read this howto http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-remotely-install-debian-over-a-rh-based-distro, but i have no swap on vds, is any way to install debian? |
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| 13:22.42 | mycae | Yancho: gparted is a gnome partition manager |
| 13:22.54 | mycae | Don't know if it does images. It might. |
| 13:22.58 | petemc | it does |
| 13:23.18 | petemc | parted does anyway, so presumably any of its front ends would too |
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| 13:25.12 | Boohbah | iv_s_: your VPS provider has no automatic OS installation? |
| 13:25.27 | McNulty | I've a debian server that's been neglected for a while and I'm trying to see which packages need updating. What does the error 'E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room' mean |
| 13:25.42 | iv_s_ | Boohbah: no, only centos... |
| 13:25.42 | Boohbah | McNulty: sounds like you ran out of memory |
| 13:25.43 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:26.27 | McNulty | the server's a bit short on memory but should have plenty of swap |
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| 13:26.39 | McNulty | is there an apt memory limit somewherE? |
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| 13:26.47 | petemc | !mmap |
| 13:26.47 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
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| 13:28.01 | Boohbah | iv_s_: hmm, how much RAM do you have? it may be possible with enough |
| 13:28.02 | McNulty | Excellent! |
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| 13:28.15 | McNulty | Editing the limit in /etc/apt/apt.conf worked |
| 13:28.33 | enouf | Yancho: there's two gparted(s) one is gnome, one is gnu |
| 13:28.51 | iv_s_ | Boohbah: 256mb |
| 13:28.59 | Yancho | true enouf i am seeing the option of gnome |
| 13:29.35 | Boohbah | iv_s_: hmm, probably not enough to avoid hitting swap. i would suggest finding a hosting provider that will let you install debian |
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| 13:30.19 | McNulty | thatnks all |
| 13:30.25 | Piet | is there a software which allows for sending fax through sip? |
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| 13:30.38 | mahesh | hi guys |
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| 13:30.55 | Yancho | will gnome pareted find my usb disk automaticcaly enouf ? |
| 13:31.06 | stew | 256mb should be plenty to get debian installed |
| 13:31.08 | WormFood | enouf, I just got back...I got the bash thing figured out, it was $? |
| 13:31.16 | WormFood | the acpi daemon is running |
| 13:31.20 | enouf | Yancho: no idea - i would think so |
| 13:31.34 | mahesh | need help synchronizing my google reader in Akregator (in my debian5 kde3.5 system) plz |
| 13:31.45 | Boohbah | Piet: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+fax |
| 13:32.04 | Doonz | hey guys quik question. wich image do i download if i want only the 32bit os i386? |
| 13:32.10 | Yancho | thanks enouf ill try it :) |
| 13:32.12 | WormFood | enouf, as far as the powernowd goes, I don't think I have that installed. |
| 13:32.19 | mazzachre | Piet: That is hopeless... fax do not work over Asterisk... |
| 13:32.32 | Boohbah | mazzachre: yes it does |
| 13:32.44 | Piet | thanks Boohbah |
| 13:32.55 | mazzachre | Boohbah: Ya... we got as far as handshaking and sending/receiving 2 pages... then it died... |
| 13:32.57 | mahesh | anybody using kde's Akregator ?? |
| 13:33.10 | mazzachre | Boohbah: Anything beyond 2 pages and we did not get it... |
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| 13:34.01 | Boohbah | mazzachre: it just doesn't work very well yet... |
| 13:34.28 | enouf | WormFood: last executed command? i thought it was '$$' but it seems wrong now - and i forget |
| 13:34.40 | WormFood | yeah, someone else told it, it is $? |
| 13:34.50 | WormFood | that is not a question, that is a statement ;) |
| 13:35.06 | mahesh | need help synchronizing my google reader in Akregator (in my debian5 kde3.5 system) plz |
| 13:35.06 | enouf | WormFood: i also --purged removed teh powernowd stuff but the modules were still loading |
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| 13:35.24 | enouf | WormFood: well $? fails here as well |
| 13:35.26 | WormFood | is that a module? |
| 13:35.31 | WormFood | echo $? fails? |
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| 13:35.43 | enouf | no, the modules it loaded when installed |
| 13:36.09 | shirish | hi am new to opensource world , can i know how why what and where should one submit patches firstly how should one write patches |
| 13:36.28 | enouf | WormFood: echo $? returns an exit status code |
| 13:36.38 | WormFood | the only module that is loaded is "cpufreq_powersave" |
| 13:36.42 | mazzachre | Boohbah: That is a mild understatement :) Perhaps not working at all is taking it too far... But we have had great problems... |
| 13:36.45 | WormFood | yes enouf, that is what I was looking for |
| 13:36.56 | WormFood | to test acpi_available |
| 13:37.01 | Piet | mazzachre: thanks for sharing your experiences, too :) |
| 13:37.13 | shirish | hi am new to opensource world , can i know how why what and where should one submit patches firstly how should one write patches |
| 13:37.24 | enouf | WormFood: oh well - my system us from ~1999, so no cpufreq_anything here .. let me check my blacklisted files |
| 13:37.42 | module000 | shirish: patches to what? different projects have different protocol |
| 13:37.43 | enouf | WormFood: you asked to ..oh nm .. f'k it |
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| 13:38.14 | shirish | i have a browser called net-surf |
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| 13:38.32 | WormFood | shingouz, check the project you want to submit patches for...usually you make your patches with the "diff" command, and apply them with the 'patch' command, if I remember correctly |
| 13:38.52 | WormFood | enouf, you're running a decade old computer? |
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| 13:38.57 | WormFood | what is it? a 386? hehehe |
| 13:39.07 | module000 | shirish: check the "developement wiki" on the net-surf page would be a good first start |
| 13:39.23 | shirish | i have to write patches to that it is really very important to me to know how should i start off |
| 13:39.24 | orioni | if im being routed a /28 public network over a private network what ip im supposed to give to my router so i can use public IP on the lan ? |
| 13:39.25 | enouf | http://rafb.net/p/jKEzZt48.html |
| 13:39.32 | shirish | net surf is the ame |
| 13:39.35 | shirish | name |
| 13:39.41 | Boohbah | WormFood: that would be more like two decades :) |
| 13:40.01 | wedge | orioni: google subnetting |
| 13:40.04 | nkuttler | a decade ago is some pentium |
| 13:40.06 | WormFood | I know, I'm exaggerating |
| 13:40.25 | wedge | my first computer was a 486 |
| 13:40.27 | WormFood | the computer I'm using now is rather old, at about 5 years....but it is a very well built laptop |
| 13:40.36 | enouf | WormFood: pII, decade old |
| 13:40.37 | wedge | then a pentium 2, then I got a 286 and a commodore 64 |
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| 13:40.47 | WormFood | hahaha....my first computer was a 6809, at 0.89Mhz, and 64k ram |
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| 13:40.53 | orioni | wedge: i really cant figure it out |
| 13:41.02 | wedge | orioni: what subnet have you been given? |
| 13:41.11 | WormFood | my first PC was an 8088 I think |
| 13:41.14 | orioni | a public over a private |
| 13:41.17 | WormFood | I really wasn't into the PC |
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| 13:41.27 | orioni | my wan interface is 192.168.10.10 with a gateway 10.9 |
| 13:41.45 | orioni | and they told me that the isp is routing a /28 public over this private |
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| 13:41.54 | wedge | which /28? |
| 13:42.03 | orioni | 80.91.126.x |
| 13:42.21 | WormFood | http://wormfood.net/old_computers/pt68k4-3.jpg here is a picture of a computer I built in the early 1990s....and when I say "built", I mean I got a bare circuit board, and soldered everything together |
| 13:42.26 | orioni | do i need to set my LAN ip of the router to this public IP? |
| 13:42.52 | wedge | it sort of depends on the VPN link |
| 13:42.55 | wedge | what type of VPN is it? |
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| 13:43.28 | orioni | its not a vpn |
| 13:43.34 | orioni | i suppose |
| 13:43.41 | WormFood | I'm getting an error that says "Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working, and the acpid daemon is running"....I did that...the socket is accessable, and the daemon is running.....google is no help....anyone have any suggestions? |
| 13:43.54 | orioni | since the isp didnt talked apbut a vpn |
| 13:43.54 | wedge | orioni: how does your routes look like? |
| 13:44.12 | wedge | you should probably ask them for support |
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| 13:44.19 | orioni | 192.168.10.8/30 <-> wan |
| 13:44.25 | wedge | it's not a debian question really, as we have no idea how they've set it up. |
| 13:44.29 | JyZyXEL | lol i did /etc/init.d/samba stop |
| 13:44.31 | orioni | defaul 192.168.10.9 |
| 13:44.33 | JyZyXEL | and samba is still up |
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| 13:44.49 | wedge | they might be broadcasting dhcp over the private IP link or something |
| 13:44.53 | wedge | you need to ask them. |
| 13:45.11 | JyZyXEL | yea ok fuck this shit |
| 13:45.13 | JyZyXEL | i removed samba |
| 13:45.13 | enouf | WormFood: you should get a kick out of these then; http://chrisfenton.com/diy-laptop-v1/ http://chrisfenton.com/diy-laptop-v2/ and for everyone http://chrisfenton.com/2-stage-light-gas-gun/ |
| 13:45.15 | JyZyXEL | and its still up |
| 13:45.34 | wedge | JyZyXEL: kill it |
| 13:45.36 | infomomo | JyZyXEL: :D |
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| 13:45.59 | exn | Hello guys. Can i ask here about pppd ? |
| 13:46.15 | exn | developers kernel and userspave pppd here ? |
| 13:46.16 | wedge | enouf: lul at the microcontroller laptop :P |
| 13:46.28 | enouf | :-) |
| 13:46.29 | JyZyXEL | why the fuck |
| 13:46.31 | JyZyXEL | is it still up |
| 13:46.43 | JyZyXEL | seriosly i did apt-get purge samba |
| 13:46.43 | wedge | enouf: I've only been fagging about in NIOS |
| 13:46.47 | JyZyXEL | and its up..... |
| 13:46.56 | wedge | JyZyXEL: well kill the process |
| 13:46.57 | WormFood | http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/obama.html WTF? |
| 13:47.07 | wedge | JyZyXEL: ps aux|grep smb then kill those pids |
| 13:47.07 | enouf | WormFood: when is that message generated? maybe /var isn't yet mounted when it occurs? |
| 13:47.10 | JyZyXEL | wedge no, how the hell is it still up and running? |
| 13:47.12 | WormFood | I think that site is blocked where I live |
| 13:47.15 | JyZyXEL | i purged it |
| 13:47.18 | enouf | WormFood: is it mounted ro? |
| 13:47.19 | JyZyXEL | thats rediculous |
| 13:47.23 | WormFood | enouf, when I login to X |
| 13:47.34 | wedge | JyZyXEL: I dont think purge shutdown the processes if they're still running |
| 13:47.55 | WormFood | or whatever the login manager is called (I don't usually use a login manager, but this was installed with the base install) |
| 13:47.56 | JyZyXEL | wtf |
| 13:48.01 | JyZyXEL | how can it still run if its removed |
| 13:48.07 | enouf | pkill smbd ? |
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| 13:48.11 | wedge | JyZyXEL: cause it's loaded into mem? |
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| 13:48.25 | WormFood | enouf, /var is not on another drive, it is on the main drive, and is read/writeable by my user |
| 13:48.36 | wedge | JyZyXEL: the wonders of a real POSIX OS :) |
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| 13:48.41 | enouf | JyZyXEL: you could remove your running kernel ... while it's running :-P |
| 13:48.51 | JyZyXEL | how nice |
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| 13:48.52 | enouf | you wouldn't want to though |
| 13:48.58 | WormFood | I just HATE to see error messages when I login every time |
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| 13:49.11 | WormFood | I'm sure there must be some reason for it, but I'll be damned if I can figure it out |
| 13:49.33 | enouf | WormFood: whom owns the socket? it sure ain't your user |
| 13:50.15 | WormFood | enouf, it is owned by root, but is world readable/writable |
| 13:50.24 | enouf | WormFood: or .. are they stale socket entries leftover that shouldn't be there? something amuck with your shutdown process? |
| 13:50.35 | enouf | the rc0,6 scripts? |
| 13:50.56 | WormFood | no, should not be...I shutdown, and restarted...and get same error |
| 13:51.37 | WormFood | how do I add language choices to the login screen? |
| 13:51.41 | enouf | i would check using rcconf, sysv-rc-conf or similar and maybe the KNNscriptname has it's NN incorrect |
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| 13:52.09 | enouf | also enable bootlogd , any errors there? |
| 13:52.10 | WormFood | this is a fresh clean install |
| 13:52.24 | WormFood | bootlogd says nothing |
| 13:52.30 | WormFood | I looked at dmesg, and it says nothing |
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| 13:53.04 | enouf | so wtf needs to access ACPI events concerning X? |
| 13:53.12 | enouf | dbus / hal related? |
| 13:53.12 | WormFood | I see nothing that looks like an error related to acpi in /var/log/messages |
| 13:53.19 | WormFood | I don't know |
| 13:53.36 | enouf | you use a DM? |
| 13:53.39 | WormFood | most likely the GUI, to display battery info, and shit like that? I'm not exactly sure how this is used by the system |
| 13:53.42 | WormFood | DM? |
| 13:53.52 | enouf | !dm |
| 13:53.52 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
| 13:53.52 | WormFood | display manager? |
| 13:54.16 | WormFood | yeah, don't know what tho, whatever debian installs when you select a desktop system |
| 13:54.17 | enouf | well - find out in your GUI what stupid and shitty settings your bloated DE has set |
| 13:54.25 | WormFood | I forgot it was gonna install that shit |
| 13:54.27 | enouf | gnome |
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| 13:54.38 | exn | !wtf |
| 13:54.43 | enouf | !remove gnome |
| 13:54.44 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly). |
| 13:54.48 | WormFood | yeah, I'm using gnome...most likely gdm |
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| 13:55.18 | WormFood | you think I need to remove that? (and reinstall it?) |
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| 13:56.10 | etb | what should i do to make hosts.deny take effect? |
| 13:56.27 | WormFood | what I also find odd, is the fact the GUI says my network cable isn't connected, but it is clearly connected, and working |
| 13:56.41 | WormFood | etb, reboot? |
| 13:57.16 | mazzachre | Uhm... where should I look for logging info from iptables on a debian machine? |
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| 14:00.25 | aldin | during installation i choose one of my partitons to be phisycal volume crypted, can someone give me instructions what to do next in order to have crypted partition or something like that, cause i want to "protect" some data |
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| 14:02.08 | seven_ | anyone experienced with running wow in wine on the 5.0 distro ? I'm using an nvidia card |
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| 14:05.34 | mazzachre | seven_: Not in debian... But I am running wow in wine on this Linux box (gentoo) |
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| 14:12.21 | WormFood | isn't WoW a MMORPG? |
| 14:12.33 | WormFood | MMORPG = Many Men Online, Role Playing Girls |
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| 14:12.55 | halflife08 | !remove gnome |
| 14:12.55 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly). |
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| 14:15.19 | WormFood | AAARRRGGGHHH!!! this god damn ACPI error message is gonna drive me god damn crazy! |
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| 14:15.40 | eptalon | WormFood: what message? |
| 14:16.06 | WormFood | "Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working, and the acpid daemon is running" |
| 14:16.18 | chordogg | anybody experiencing problems with alsaconf in testing? It's not recognizing my sound card for some strange reason |
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| 14:16.29 | hulatang | I'm running rsync over ssh from one host to another (different location), the number of files and sub-directories are massive, and currently the rsync process take hours and rsync cron I setup catched up, the result is high load on both the local and remote host. Is there way I can improve the speed? |
| 14:16.57 | OpenTokix | hulatang: add option -W -e 'ssh -c blowfish -C' |
| 14:17.17 | OpenTokix | hulatang: -W for full file, no hasing and blowfish for some faster cipher and -C for compression |
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| 14:17.36 | hulatang | thx |
| 14:17.39 | hulatang | let me try that |
| 14:18.23 | mazzachre | Anyone else using ipmasq for firewall management? |
| 14:18.59 | mazzachre | WormFood: Ya... that is much like that... |
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| 14:19.31 | WormFood | eptalon, any ideas? I've tried google, and it is no help |
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| 14:19.46 | eptalon | WormFood: No ideas. |
| 14:19.54 | WormFood | and of course, I've checked the acpi daemon, and the stocket..all is good |
| 14:20.07 | eptalon | WormFood: teak bios settings if there are any for acpi |
| 14:20.15 | enouf | before .. i hope |
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| 14:20.22 | WormFood | I don't think there are, but I'll take another look |
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| 14:21.56 | enouf | strace a restart of whatever /etc/init.d/*acpi* stop|start|restart|force-reload exist |
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| 14:22.59 | WormFood | acpid is running, and acpi_available, says it is available |
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| 14:23.25 | WormFood | I don't have a fuckin' clue why it is trying to access acpi in the first place |
| 14:23.31 | enouf | something cannot access it though |
| 14:24.35 | enouf | you're likely missing some acpi-support-* pkgs and/or your stupid gnome battery monitoring widget sucks ass |
| 14:25.26 | WormFood | I think I figured it out |
| 14:25.30 | enouf | disable that shit, see if it goes away |
| 14:26.25 | eptalon | Are there any known issues with Firewire on Debian? |
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| 14:26.36 | eptalon | (for external harddisks)? |
| 14:26.48 | seven_ | mazzachre, you don't happen to have a 64 bit system ? |
| 14:26.49 | abrotman | eptalon: you have to plug them in ? |
| 14:26.55 | WormFood | I used to use firewire all the time, with no problems |
| 14:27.14 | eptalon | abrotman: As opposed to USB, on a 64 bit system. |
| 14:27.29 | abrotman | eptalon: should be fine |
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| 14:27.42 | WormFood | well....with few problems....sometimes they would stop responding, and I'd have to do something drastic, like unplug them, and plug it back in |
| 14:27.49 | eptalon | abrotman: External firewire drives have the fame of being a bit faster than ext. usb drives. |
| 14:28.05 | abrotman | eptalon: you could get an external housing that does both |
| 14:28.20 | eptalon | abrotman: which I intend to. |
| 14:29.01 | enouf | eSata! |
| 14:29.15 | OpenTokix | usb is a pile of crud |
| 14:29.18 | abrotman | if your system has an eSATA jack |
| 14:29.20 | OpenTokix | or storage |
| 14:29.24 | OpenTokix | for |
| 14:29.41 | macman_ | anyone know a good ebook for linux command line |
| 14:29.44 | eptalon | enouf: ESata is like sata, from a driver's point of view? |
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| 14:30.16 | OpenTokix | eptalon: yes, just alittle more durable connection |
| 14:30.32 | OpenTokix | eptalon: apart from that identical, you can buy internal sata -> eSata cables |
| 14:30.33 | beardy | macman_: Just start using it. |
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| 14:30.42 | macman_ | lol |
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| 14:30.51 | beardy | !lol |
| 14:30.51 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 14:30.58 | abrotman | !tell macman_ about grounding |
| 14:31.01 | eptalon | OpenTokix: Which would increase the speed to the theoretical 3Gbit/s. |
| 14:31.04 | beardy | macman_: Ctrl-Alt-F1, halt X. |
| 14:31.24 | OpenTokix | eptalon: increase and increase - It is better then usb atleast |
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| 14:31.46 | WormFood | how in the fuck do I remove an applet from my pannel, that runs and dies...it does not give me the option to remove it |
| 14:31.52 | WormFood | panel* |
| 14:32.12 | WormFood | every god damn time I login, it gives me an error, and then disappears |
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| 14:32.50 | WormFood | in fact, it does not even show up on the panel, but it sure a fuck gives me an error message every fuckin' time I login |
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| 14:36.23 | mizan | hello |
| 14:36.26 | Junior01 | hey, what is similar powerful tool notecase for to run in server? |
| 14:36.30 | WormFood | mizan, 你好 |
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| 14:36.59 | mizan | pls English worm |
| 14:37.04 | abrotman | Junior01: what is notecase ? |
| 14:37.15 | WormFood | mizan, I said "hello" :P |
| 14:37.23 | Junior01 | abrotman apt-cache show notecase |
| 14:37.25 | mizan | ya |
| 14:37.36 | mizan | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.44 | WormFood | ä¸Â国 |
| 14:37.50 | abrotman | english |
| 14:37.52 | beardy | Just stop it. |
| 14:37.55 | WormFood | China |
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| 14:38.06 | mizan | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.11 | mazzachre | Anyone knows of examples on how to setup rules for ipmasq? |
| 14:38.13 | abrotman | mizan: this is not a social channel |
| 14:38.29 | beardy | mazzachre: iptables is what is used since the 2.4 kernel |
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| 14:38.40 | petemc | ipmasq uses iptables |
| 14:38.53 | Junior01 | abrotman NoteCase is a hierarchical note manager (aka. outliner). It helps you organize your everyday text notes into a single document, with individual notes placed in the tree-like structure (each note can have its sub-notes, ...). |
| 14:38.59 | mazzachre | beardy: Ya... the tool ipmasq... Some kind of wrapper shell scripts... |
| 14:39.08 | petemc | mazzachre: /usr/share/doc/ipmasq/ |
| 14:39.11 | mazzachre | petemc: You know how to setup rules? |
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| 14:39.30 | abrotman | Junior01: so if it does what you want, why do you need an alternative ? |
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| 14:40.04 | Junior01 | abrotman for run in sever.....notecase run client |
| 14:40.13 | abrotman | Junior01: for which version of deban ? |
| 14:40.16 | abrotman | debian |
| 14:40.36 | Junior01 | 5.0 |
| 14:40.48 | abrotman | Junior01: you're aware that notecase isn't in debian, right ? |
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| 14:41.44 | mizan | worm were |
| 14:41.51 | Junior01 | abrotman nope...I want tool that run in server |
| 14:42.19 | WormFood | mizan, if you're directing that at me, and want a response, say my whole nick (use the tab-completion of your irc client), otherwise I might miss you |
| 14:42.32 | WormFood | mizan, I'm in shenzhen, which is just over the border from hong kong |
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| 14:42.39 | abrotman | WormFood: msg him |
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| 14:42.53 | WormFood | woot! I finally got rid of that god damn acpi error message |
| 14:43.09 | WormFood | it was the battery monitor, because I copied over the config from my laptop to my new desktop |
| 14:43.11 | mizan | thank u worm |
| 14:43.45 | stew | mizan: please go to #debian-offtopic or #defocus for social chat |
| 14:44.35 | WormFood | I had to go to .gconf/apps/panel/applets and delete "applet_4" directory |
| 14:45.00 | seven__ | any idea's why I cannot switch to a console ? (aka CTRL + alt + F key) .. running a fresh debian 5 install; Function keys themselves are working |
| 14:45.16 | WormFood | the ONLY thing that gave me a clue, is when I move my mouse over the error message, the "window selector" showed the icon for that app |
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| 14:45.41 | WormFood | and then finding it, was another story |
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| 14:46.00 | WormFood | what is the dpkg command to see what packages are installed? |
| 14:46.22 | eptalon | WormFood: dpkg -l |grep ii |
| 14:46.48 | WormFood | ah, good deal...thanks eptalon |
| 14:46.50 | abrotman | !tell WormFood about grounding |
| 14:47.19 | WormFood | thanks abrotman, I just wanted a quick answer, as I don't use dpkg directly that much :P |
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| 14:47.39 | abrotman | aptitude can do that also |
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| 14:48.08 | abrotman | Junior01: i can only think of a wiki .. which isn't really what you're after |
| 14:48.21 | mycae | Does anyone know the name of a good webcam app? I know there is one in the package list, but its not cheese. |
| 14:48.37 | salvin | What is the easiest way to configure Nautilus to use ffmpegthumbnailer ? |
| 14:48.51 | D4T | hi all, when rebooting my server its not stopping my md devices correctly and causing them to degrade. Anyone seen this before? |
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| 14:49.04 | abrotman | mycae: qcam ? |
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| 14:49.56 | abrotman | mycae: debtags search hardware::camera .. maybe |
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| 14:50.29 | hark | salvin: check alternatives |
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| 14:51.34 | david00 | Hi, does anyone know how the MAIL environment variable gets set? |
| 14:51.49 | david00 | Mine is set to /var/mail/user and needs to be /var/mail/domain.tld/user |
| 14:52.36 | salvin | hark, nothing |
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| 14:55.00 | johndoe | im using gdb. i tell him to "disas 0x08074411" but it tells me "No function contains specified address." |
| 14:55.09 | WormFood | david00, try using grep in /etc to search for a config file that has that setting |
| 14:55.19 | johndoe | i know for a fact that its valid address |
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| 14:55.37 | apelgate | hi. |
| 14:55.38 | apelgate | how do I see what version of a specific package is installed? |
| 14:55.51 | petemc | apt-cache policy package |
| 14:56.35 | apelgate | as package =package name? |
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| 14:56.46 | petemc | yz |
| 14:57.11 | david00 | WormFood: It looks like a mixture of /etc/login.defs and /etc/pam.d/login |
| 14:57.27 | david00 | I looked there before, but was wondering if it was documented anywhere |
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| 14:57.57 | salvin | hark, then? |
| 14:58.16 | WormFood | david00, I'm sure it is documented somewhere, but I don't know where...I'd have to search just like you |
| 14:58.32 | david00 | The line in pam is just "session optional pam_mail.so standard" |
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| 14:59.41 | david00 | Looks like I found it, http://blog.no-panic.at/tag/pam_mailso/ |
| 14:59.53 | WormFood | david00, what are you searching for? |
| 15:00.10 | WormFood | go to /etc/ and type "grep -r . var | grep mail" |
| 15:00.28 | WormFood | I'm sure you'll see something that relates to what you want to change |
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| 15:00.51 | WormFood | er, I mean grep -r var . |
| 15:00.56 | hark | salvin: was thinking of the gnome-video-thumbnailer alternative |
| 15:00.57 | WormFood | swap "var" and "." |
| 15:01.19 | icedtea | anyone here know anything about port 51627? My firewall logs show hits on it from a whole slew of ips |
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| 15:02.27 | ^shark_ | i recently upgraded from etch to lenny. I installed clamav while still in etch using aptitude.my clamav is out of date and i need to upgrade! |
| 15:02.30 | ^shark_ | clamav site does not have help for debian users who want to upgrade using the aptitude |
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| 15:03.00 | gpm | ^shark_: how did you upgrade to lenny? |
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| 15:03.29 | anoHito | my server is under attack or something |
| 15:03.32 | anoHito | please help |
| 15:03.48 | anoHito | top - 22:23:57 up 9:46, 1 user, load average: 498.92, 501.23, 501.42 |
| 15:03.57 | quizme | For ubuntu, apache 2, where in the directory structure is the appropriate place to put an .conf file for a subset of websites hosted on that server? I want to put all of my mod_rails configurations in one place. in mods-available? |
| 15:04.04 | anoHito | usually,even when it is traffic jam, the load average is under 1 |
| 15:04.09 | anoHito | it is 500 now ! |
| 15:04.16 | quizme | anohito lol |
| 15:04.20 | seven__ | fchill :) |
| 15:04.27 | anoHito | if i shut down mysqld, the load average is quickly going down to normal |
| 15:04.39 | seven__ | must be Conficker :p |
| 15:04.41 | quizme | anohito: it's probably a bad sql query |
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| 15:04.48 | anoHito | now im contact the hardware firewall support, he says its strange |
| 15:05.01 | quizme | anohito: look at your mysql logs |
| 15:05.02 | anoHito | he says there is no bandwidth through the IP hmmm |
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| 15:05.15 | anoHito | quizme, wait |
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| 15:06.12 | module000 | time lost to dopewars....incalculable |
| 15:06.19 | quizme | For ubuntu, apache 2, where in the directory structure is the appropriate place to put an .conf file for a subset of websites hosted on that server? I want to put all of my mod_rails configurations in one place. in mods-available? |
| 15:06.29 | quizme | what's dopewars? |
| 15:06.47 | anoHito | quizme, i dont find it in /var/log |
| 15:07.05 | [Mr_X] | quizme: A multiplayer game that was available on BBS systems. |
| 15:07.07 | module000 | quizme: don't ask, you'll be stuck playign it for hours... or "apt-cache show dopewars" |
| 15:07.10 | gpm | quizme: i think you need to let the dust settle from your initial query a bit longer before firing again |
| 15:07.24 | quizme | gpm lol sorry |
| 15:07.27 | gpm | quizme: the answer to your question is sites-enabled |
| 15:07.28 | WormFood | quizme, dopewars is a game |
| 15:07.48 | quizme | ok |
| 15:07.55 | quizme | i'm too addicted to games |
| 15:07.58 | quizme | better not ask for more |
| 15:08.04 | gpm | quizme: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/httpd.html |
| 15:08.12 | gpm | !tell quizme about ubuntu |
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| 15:08.38 | seven__ | lol |
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| 15:10.31 | ^shark_ | gpm:i used aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 15:11.31 | WormFood | is there any way to tell what repository an installed package came from? |
| 15:12.52 | hark | WormFood: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 15:13.18 | WormFood | cool, thanks hark |
| 15:13.22 | gpm | ^shark_: yeah, if you have your sources.list set to use lenny, when you aptitude dist-upgrade it should upgrade ALL packages. |
| 15:13.47 | gpm | ^shark_: don't forget to aptitude update after editing your sources.list! |
| 15:14.05 | gernot | hello all. is there anybody using the vim outliner here? i can't get it to work properly on debian. |
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| 15:15.06 | ^shark_ | gpm: clamav is telling me i should upgrade to version: 0.95 from local version: 0.94.2, i think i should be using the volatile repo instead, see this >> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/clamav |
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| 15:15.48 | ^shark_ | gpm: i always aptitude update after editing source.list |
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| 15:16.19 | stew | judd: versions clamav |
| 15:16.20 | judd | stew: clamav -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-3.1+etch14 etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch16 etch-backports: 0.94.dfsg.2-1~bpo40+1 etch-volatile: 0.94.dfsg.2-1~volatile1 lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1 squeeze: 0.94.dfsg.2-1 sid: 0.95+dfsg-1 |
| 15:16.51 | gpm | ^shark_: good, i thought you just had an incomplete upgrade. best of luck gtg. |
| 15:16.56 | stew | it doesn't look like volatile has 0.95 yet either |
| 15:17.21 | hark | volatile just has an updated clamav-data |
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| 15:17.31 | ^shark_ | squeeze is a new repo or a repo i didn't know existed? |
| 15:17.43 | abrotman | !squeeze |
| 15:17.44 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 15:17.50 | D4T | when rebooting my server its not stopping my md devices correctly and causing them to degrade. Anyone seen this before? |
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| 15:18.56 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm trying to figure out how to get screen to display a different number of lines in a region. It seems pretty opaque... can someone help? ^A : height gives a message that "Your termcap does not specify how to change the terminal's height to 42." |
| 15:19.02 | cognitiaclaeves | ( on etch, sorry. ) |
| 15:19.43 | ^shark_ | abrotman: thanks for the info. |
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| 15:21.47 | ranix | cognitiaclaeves: that command gives me the same output |
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| 15:22.20 | cognitiaclaeves | ranix: Do you know an alternate way to change the number of rows in a region in screen. |
| 15:22.22 | cognitiaclaeves | ? |
| 15:22.44 | ranix | I don't understand the question |
| 15:22.51 | ranix | I would personally resize the terminal window |
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| 15:23.17 | cognitiaclaeves | ranix: I want a different number of rows for the third region that screen is displaying. |
| 15:23.19 | norc | Hello, what's the best way to reset the x server resources without rebooting? |
| 15:23.31 | ranix | I don't even know how to split screen |
| 15:23.33 | norc | (In case I merged in a few bad settings I want changed back) |
| 15:23.38 | ranix | cognitiaclaeves: how do you do that? |
| 15:23.44 | cognitiaclaeves | norc: ctrl+alt+backspace ? |
| 15:24.06 | norc | cognitiaclaeves: w/o restarting xorg either ;) |
| 15:24.43 | norc | I could change it without a restart, so I dont see why it shouldn't be possible. |
| 15:24.51 | cognitiaclaeves | ranix: ctrl+A S , ctrl+A tab, ctrl+A c ... ( see ctrl+A ? ) |
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| 15:31.06 | WormFood | I'm really confused now...I'm trying to install packages on my new computer, that match the same installed packages on my old computer....so I made a list of installed packages, and copied them to my new computer....and copied the /etc/apt/sources.list....but I'm getting packages that say it is not available....what the fuck is going on? |
| 15:31.28 | stew | WormFood: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:31.31 | eptalon | WormFood: Same architecture? |
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| 15:31.55 | WormFood | yes, same architecture |
| 15:32.17 | eptalon | WormFood: And not something like oneo f them being amd64? |
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| 15:32.50 | WormFood | no, going from P4 single core, to P4 core 2 duo, quad core |
| 15:33.16 | eptalon | WormFood: the later of which is amd64.. |
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| 15:34.46 | anoHito | load average: 10.85, 5.20, 19.02 |
| 15:34.48 | WormFood | http://pastebin.com/d3380fd9c |
| 15:34.59 | anoHito | how do i check which programs use that alot of ram ? |
| 15:35.02 | WormFood | there you go stew |
| 15:35.07 | anoHito | the load avg is still blooming up |
| 15:35.08 | hark | eptalon: it shouldn't matter |
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| 15:35.25 | anoHito | but the firewall supporter says,there is no attack through the server IP,weird |
| 15:35.45 | klync | anoHito: sort options in top would be one way to check mem usage |
| 15:35.46 | anoHito | but once i enabled mysqld,the load avg is keeping raising , even it will reach to 500 ! |
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| 15:36.00 | anoHito | klync, thanks |
| 15:36.08 | hark | WormFood: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 15:36.14 | klync | anoHito: something is probably wrong with mysqld ... i'd `tail -f` the logs |
| 15:36.37 | stew | judd: versions libavahi-core5 |
| 15:36.37 | judd | stew: libavahi-core5 -- lenny-security: 0.6.22-3+lenny1 lenny: 0.6.23-3lenny1 |
| 15:36.47 | anoHito | klync, i dont see there the log is. |
| 15:36.49 | stew | WormFood: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:37.00 | anoHito | load average: 18.43, 10.24, 19.01 gees |
| 15:37.11 | klync | anoHito: depends on your /etc/mysql/my.cnf ... do `ls -ld /var/log | grep mysql` |
| 15:37.27 | klync | err, `ls -ld /var/log/mysql*` |
| 15:37.32 | WormFood | I had thought I updated to sid, but apt-cache policy is saying lenny |
| 15:37.35 | WormFood | what the fuck? |
| 15:37.41 | stew | WormFood: i'm guessing you are running testing or unstable, but you are trying to install packages which are only in lenny |
| 15:37.55 | stew | WormFood: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 15:37.56 | WormFood | yeah, I guess apt-get dist-upgrade didn't work |
| 15:38.09 | stew | WormFood: what makes you think that apt-get dist-upgrade didn't work? |
| 15:38.15 | ajavid | why are you still using apt-get? |
| 15:38.25 | anoHito | klync, got nothing after ran that command |
| 15:38.35 | ajavid | WormFood, thick brain coating of coagulated pig blood ;) |
| 15:38.42 | anoHito | the suppoter says no attack ,he is on the firewall watching |
| 15:38.47 | WormFood | apt-cache policy <package name> is showing lenny |
| 15:38.53 | anoHito | but the load avg is keeping raising, 30 now |
| 15:38.59 | hark | WormFood: you probably also have lenny sources as well |
| 15:39.07 | ajavid | WormFood, what is your sources.list look like? |
| 15:39.09 | WormFood | no I don't hark, I updated sources.list |
| 15:39.11 | WormFood | all sid |
| 15:39.11 | ajavid | s/is/does |
| 15:39.12 | stew | WormFood: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy packagename" |
| 15:39.24 | WormFood | hold on a sec |
| 15:39.25 | klync | anoHito: might also be outputting to /var/log/daemon.log or debug.log |
| 15:39.31 | ajavid | WormFood, come to #debian-chat after your'e done |
| 15:40.00 | klync | anoHito: also, i'd find the appropriate logfile before starting the service, so you can watch right from startup... read through my.cnf to see where it's logging and what loglevel |
| 15:40.13 | WormFood | same pastebin as before |
| 15:40.21 | anoHito | klync, letme check |
| 15:40.37 | klync | anoHito: on production mysqld, error logging is usually off to save cpu / disk cycles... not sure what the out of the box config is for the .deb |
| 15:40.40 | stew | WormFood: can you give me the url? |
| 15:40.47 | WormFood | http://pastebin.com/d3380fd9c |
| 15:41.01 | stew | WormFood: oh, i thought you were talking to me |
| 15:41.15 | WormFood | god damn it...it changed the id |
| 15:41.19 | WormFood | hold on a sec stew |
| 15:41.45 | WormFood | http://pastebin.com/d35d65d5a |
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| 15:42.14 | stew | WormFood: yeah, this all looks normal |
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| 15:42.38 | WormFood | why does the apt-cache policy <package name> show lenny? |
| 15:42.42 | stew | WormFood: it says lenny only becuase the version of the package you have installed has lenny in the version string |
| 15:42.50 | WormFood | it shows sid on my other computer |
| 15:42.59 | WormFood | that package isn't installed |
| 15:42.59 | anoHito | klync, i have that daemon.log,but i have no idea |
| 15:43.01 | stew | WormFood: and it says lenny in the version string becuase the version you have installed was a security update to lenny |
| 15:43.24 | WormFood | the short question is, how the hell do I fix this? |
| 15:43.30 | stew | WormFood: sorry, right, it isn't installed. it probably was once, which is why it is in your status file |
| 15:43.39 | klync | anoHito: try this: cd /var/log ; grep -ioln mysql * |
| 15:43.39 | WormFood | it was never installed |
| 15:43.39 | stew | WormFood: fix what? I don't see anything broken |
| 15:43.50 | WormFood | I know this specific package was never installed |
| 15:43.52 | stew | WormFood: ok, doesn't matter. what is broken? |
| 15:43.58 | WormFood | it won't let me install it |
| 15:44.02 | klync | anoHito: will print the names of files containing the text "mysql", iow, which log files mysql is writing to |
| 15:44.06 | WormFood | it says it is referenced by another package |
| 15:44.11 | WormFood | it is installed on my other machine |
| 15:44.12 | stew | WormFood: yes, this is corre ct |
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| 15:44.19 | WormFood | how is that correct? |
| 15:44.22 | WormFood | how do I install it? |
| 15:44.42 | stew | WormFood: if you want to install a package which only exists in lenny, you have to add lenny sources |
| 15:44.57 | WormFood | it does not exist in lenny, it exists in sid |
| 15:45.05 | WormFood | I don't know, maybe it exists in lenny too |
| 15:45.05 | anoHito | klync, server:/var/log# more daemon.log | grep mysql |
| 15:45.05 | anoHito | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.10 | WormFood | but I'm trying to install the sid package |
| 15:45.11 | stew | judd: versions libavahi-core5 |
| 15:45.12 | judd | stew: libavahi-core5 -- lenny-security: 0.6.22-3+lenny1 lenny: 0.6.23-3lenny1 |
| 15:45.18 | stew | WormFood: it was removed from sid |
| 15:45.30 | WormFood | why is it still installed in my sid machine? |
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| 15:46.02 | stew | WormFood: becuase you installed it from lenny |
| 15:46.03 | WormFood | why wasn't it removed from sid, when I do an 'autoremove'? |
| 15:46.16 | stew | WormFood: or you installed it when it was still existing from sid |
| 15:46.22 | WormFood | I'm confused now....I got this list from my sid machine...it is installed on my sid machine |
| 15:46.27 | stew | WormFood: perhaps you shouldn't be running sid |
| 15:46.46 | WormFood | if it was removed from sid, shouldn't it be removed when I do an autoremove |
| 15:47.05 | stew | WormFood: do you know what autoremove does? |
| 15:47.08 | WormFood | yes |
| 15:47.14 | WormFood | it removed unused packages |
| 15:47.20 | ranix | unused packages |
| 15:47.25 | stew | WormFood: is this package unused? |
| 15:47.26 | ranix | not packages removed from the repository |
| 15:47.33 | WormFood | packages that were installed to satisfy some other package, where that other package was removed |
| 15:47.47 | WormFood | I thought i was in usa |
| 15:47.49 | WormFood | use |
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| 15:48.03 | stew | WormFood: then it shouldn't be rmeoved by autoremove, right? |
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| 15:49.12 | stew | WormFood: check the pts, the library probably had an soname bump, but you still have stuff which hasn't been recompiled against the newer library |
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| 15:49.20 | zxd | Why am i not getting a login prompt after upgrading etch to lenny |
| 15:49.26 | zxd | it stops after rc.local |
| 15:49.31 | zxd | and I get nothing after |
| 15:49.40 | ranix | dmesg | tail? |
| 15:49.51 | WormFood | you're telling me that nfs-user-server, which I installed a few weeks ago, is now removed from sid? |
| 15:49.52 | ranix | see any errors there, or any errors on boot? |
| 15:49.58 | WormFood | what the fuck? |
| 15:50.00 | zxd | no errors |
| 15:50.06 | stew | WormFood: who told you that? |
| 15:50.16 | zxd | I belive dmesg shows kernel errors? |
| 15:50.21 | stew | WormFood: but yes, it appears to be removed |
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| 15:50.29 | WormFood | what the fuck? |
| 15:50.35 | ranix | judd: versions ntfs-user-server |
| 15:50.36 | judd | ranix: ntfs-user-server -- |
| 15:50.37 | WormFood | why are all these packages being removed from sid? |
| 15:50.50 | ranix | WormFood: perhaps you don't understand what sid is for and how it works |
| 15:50.51 | stew | WormFood: check the pts |
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| 15:51.07 | stew | WormFood: the pts would have the email generated by the RM which would reference the bug causing the RM |
| 15:51.36 | eptalon | WormFood: Sid is basically an unstable system for developers to play around with -it may work, but often it doesn't. |
| 15:52.05 | stew | "RM: RoM" -- "please remove nfs-user-server from the archive, it's dead and unfs3 is a perfect replacement for it." |
| 15:52.08 | ranix | WormFood: from a user standpoint, Sid is a good place to get bleeding-edge backports |
| 15:52.30 | ranix | WormFood: you should not use Sid routinely unless you are prepared to solve errors on a weekly basis |
| 15:52.49 | eptalon | WormFood: "testing" is a bit more stable. |
| 15:53.06 | stew | all the problems he is experiencing he'd experience in testing as well |
| 15:53.08 | ranix | try a LOT more stable |
| 15:53.47 | WormFood | I've been running sid for a long time....and yes I've had problems from time to time, and yes, I've been able to fix my problems 99% of the time without asking here |
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| 15:54.01 | anoHito | how do i repair mysql in debian ? |
| 15:54.03 | ranix | it's just that if one is using testing, bitching about removed packages is less ludicrous |
| 15:54.05 | eptalon | stew: If I read that correctly: "I removed package X because its no longer maintained, use package Y instead" |
| 15:54.06 | WormFood | and when I say "a long time" I mean years |
| 15:54.21 | WormFood | I'm not new to Linux, i've been running Linux close to 15 years |
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| 15:54.47 | WormFood | and I've been running unix-like OSes since the late 1980s |
| 15:54.58 | stew | eptalon: that is "Hi, I'm the maintainer (RoM), please, ftp-masters, remove this package, its no longer maintained, and there is another perfect replacement for it" |
| 15:55.08 | eptalon | WormFood: I run sid, i update every day; I do get several hundred mb of "updates" a week. |
| 15:55.15 | stew | WormFood: ok, so you should be finding these answer for yourself from the pts |
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| 15:55.44 | WormFood | I don't update every day...I update infrequently, however, I'm used to problems every time I update....the longer I go between updates, the more problems I have |
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| 15:56.16 | WormFood | these problems are not related to Linux per se, it is related to the debian tools, apt-get, etc |
| 15:56.36 | stew | WormFood: so far, nothing you have identified is a proble.m |
| 15:56.37 | eptalon | WormFood: In sid the situation "Oh, look I broke something, here's the fix for it" is quite frequent. |
| 15:56.46 | WormFood | you can know the linux kernel, and linux systems like the back of your hand, and not know shit about the debian packages, or how the work |
| 15:56.50 | stew | WormFood: so far everything is you being suprised by everyday workings of unstable |
| 15:57.18 | WormFood | no, these problems have nothing to do with unstable per se, but the package manager and the package repositories |
| 15:57.35 | stew | WormFood: what problem? |
| 15:57.49 | eptalon | WormFood: Would you have preferred that package have stayed? |
| 15:57.50 | WormFood | however, thanks for your help, as now I understand it a bit better, and I have the balance of my packages being installed right now ;) |
| 15:58.06 | WormFood | it sure as fuck would be nice, if I got a better error message |
| 15:58.09 | stew | WormFood: so far you haven't identified ANY problems with the package manager or the package repositories |
| 15:58.23 | eptalon | WormFood: security updates for unmaintained packages can be a nightmare. |
| 15:58.31 | stew | WormFood: what error message could have been imporved? |
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| 15:59.39 | WormFood | the message that says it couldn't find a package....it would be nice if it said the package no longer exists, but did at one time |
| 16:00.03 | stew | WormFood: how would it have known that it existed at one time? |
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| 16:01.05 | cire | Should "ping IP" cause in a well configured DNS Infrastructure resolv hostnames? (reverse lookup)? I can do "host IP", and the hotsname is resolved, but pinging an ip just stays with numbers... |
| 16:01.14 | eptalon | stew: We could provide a listo f all the packages that ever existed... :) |
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| 16:01.27 | WormFood | a dummy package entry |
| 16:01.44 | eptalon | cire: thats normal behaviour. |
| 16:01.56 | stew | WormFood: what do you mean by that? |
| 16:01.57 | cire | okay, great. |
| 16:02.02 | cire | thanks |
| 16:02.27 | WormFood | stew, I'm just saying it would be nice, obviously it is asking too much |
| 16:02.53 | WormFood | they could keep a dummy entry in the package list, saying that package was removed, so apt-get could return a better error message |
| 16:03.05 | stew | WormFood: that would be a HUGE task |
| 16:03.10 | WormFood | remove the dummy entry after a period of time, so the package list does not become too large |
| 16:03.12 | stew | WormFood: and the packages files are already too big |
| 16:03.18 | stew | WormFood: and they already take 2 hours to generate |
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| 16:03.29 | WormFood | I'm just saying it would be nice, but is clearly asking too much |
| 16:03.40 | stew | WormFood: this is also not a problem in stable |
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| 16:03.45 | stew | WormFood: which is what you should be using |
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| 16:04.24 | WormFood | why do you think that is what I should be using? |
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| 16:04.41 | WormFood | because I'm not an expert on the inner workings of the package manager used on debian? |
| 16:04.46 | stew | WormFood: exactly |
| 16:05.03 | stew | WormFood: and that you don't know how to find the answers to the questions you are asking in the pts |
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| 16:07.58 | joss | howto make a package from allready installed instance? |
| 16:08.15 | joss | something like quickpkg packagename for gentoo |
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| 16:08.41 | gravity | joss: I don't believe such a thing exists. |
| 16:09.00 | gravity | Nor do I really understand it. Surely you have the package already if it's installed? |
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| 16:09.06 | abrotman | there's a way to repack a package |
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| 16:09.43 | joss | i want to get an archive of installed files that is |
| 16:10.15 | D4T | any software raid experts about? :D |
| 16:10.24 | joss | i have a squashfs image, and have changed the repos, and low band, i accidentaly deleted couple of files, want to chroot there, make the dbus package, and install it |
| 16:10.44 | hark | joss: there's dpkg-repack |
| 16:11.07 | joss | ok |
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| 16:11.17 | mac123 | hi i need some help in mouting a 2hdd i mounted it to /home/user1 but is having permission problems as the owner and group is being changed to root i tired to chown but its not working any help would usefull |
| 16:11.32 | joss | dpkg -L might do as well, if it lists all the files.. |
| 16:11.32 | dpkg | No packages found matching might do as well, if it lists all the files.. |
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| 16:12.03 | joss | then just add them into pipe and archive, or just copy them, ok, dpkg-repack that is.. |
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| 16:14.07 | Agiofws | where can i find "BILL gates" wine ? online ? what keywords ? |
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| 16:15.43 | Davidis | Does anybody know of a way to cycle power to a scsi tape drive |
| 16:15.46 | maligor | Agiofws, made from fermented bill gates? |
| 16:15.50 | Davidis | on a production server cannot reboot |
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| 16:15.55 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.04 | Davidis | ??? |
| 16:16.24 | Agiofws | where can i find "BILL gates" wine ? towards Open source community online ? what keywords ? old letter ? |
| 16:16.56 | maligor | what? winehq? |
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| 16:17.24 | jelly | Davidis: you can issue a scsi bus reset |
| 16:17.39 | Davidis | it failed device or resource busy |
| 16:17.58 | Davidis | tried device,host,bus resets |
| 16:18.08 | jelly | Davidis: which command did you use, btw? |
| 16:18.29 | Davidis | it crashed when doing mt -f /dev/st0 erase |
| 16:18.30 | abrotman | maybe the tape is actually busy ? |
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| 16:18.41 | Davidis | used sg_reset -d /dev/st0 |
| 16:18.46 | jelly | right. |
| 16:18.52 | Heavy-D | Hey guys, anybody know of some good custom rack mount cases to build a Debian storage server? i've got 8x 3.5" drives, the mobo, cpu and memory already... that I want to transfer to a new case. Also anybody know a good U320 SCSI controller to handle those drives? Thanks in advance |
| 16:19.04 | Agiofws | maligor, BILL GATES wine as in cry a letter to opensource community ! |
| 16:19.14 | jelly | Davidis: except, maybe you should have used the related /dev/sg*, not sure |
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| 16:19.26 | Davidis | ill give it a go |
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| 16:20.13 | maligor | I thought scsi supported hot swap, but wikipedia says it's only for some controllers |
| 16:20.58 | Davidis | yeah it requires a sca connector not standrd scsi |
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| 16:21.13 | jelly | Agiofws: have you tried ... #debian-offtopic? |
| 16:21.43 | Agiofws | no |
| 16:22.13 | jelly | Agiofws: this doesn't seem to be a debian support question. Hence, this is not the correct channel to ask it |
| 16:22.56 | Davidis | maligor there is no /dev/sg |
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| 16:25.12 | Davidis | any other ideas |
| 16:25.57 | Davidis | mt process is currently shown as D+ status and module cannot be removed |
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| 16:26.24 | Davidis | cant reboots as this is a production file server |
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| 16:28.40 | Helion | can someone plz help me setup my wifi? i have an acer laptop |
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| 16:28.55 | abrotman | Davidis: are you sure the tape isn't rewinding or some other task ? |
| 16:29.20 | Davidis | yes its been hung for 6 hours |
| 16:29.36 | Heavy-D | Anybody know a channel for server storage support? I realize my question wasn't really relating to Debian |
| 16:29.37 | Davidis | and its a loud drive when its rewinding you can hear it |
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| 16:32.03 | jelly | how do I regenerate /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules after deleting it? |
| 16:32.19 | cahoot | should be recreated automagically |
| 16:32.25 | jelly | it wasn't. |
| 16:33.05 | jelly | 75-persistent-net-generator.rules is still there, btw |
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| 16:35.08 | sylar | hi |
| 16:35.11 | rudi_s | Hi. Is it possible to display the source (as in /etc/apt/sources.conf) of a package in aptitude? So I can see if its from an offical debian source or another which I added in sources.conf. Thanks. |
| 16:35.24 | sylar | did something change in the way pam_pwdfile read the pwdfile? |
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| 16:35.32 | sylar | or in the pwdfile format? |
| 16:35.48 | hark | rudi_s: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 16:35.54 | sylar | because I have upgraded to lenny, and my vsftpd pwdfile stopped working |
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| 16:36.47 | asdzxc | hi |
| 16:36.49 | stew | rudi_s: you also might try apt-show-versions |
| 16:36.51 | asdzxc | i'm trying to install proftpd from etch-backports |
| 16:36.55 | rudi_s | hark: Thanks, that works. But is this also possible from inside aptitude? As a column next to the version for example. |
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| 16:37.09 | asdzxc | but i'm getting '404 Not Found' error |
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| 16:37.22 | MikeH | Hello all |
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| 16:37.47 | asdzxc | Err http://www.backports.org etch-backports/main proftpd 1.3.1-15~bpo40+1 404 Not Found |
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| 16:38.07 | stew | arvind_khadri: yes, that version was removed for secuirty probles, you should update |
| 16:38.07 | MikeH | I'd like to upgrade my Etch install to Lenny. My kernel packages are currently "held", and I'd like it to remain this way, so is it just a case of updating sources.list to Lenny, then upgrade;dist-upgrade? |
| 16:38.17 | stew | arvind_khadri: not you |
| 16:38.27 | stew | asdzxc: see what I mistakenly said to arvind_khadri |
| 16:38.35 | arvind_khadri | stew, :) |
| 16:38.58 | asdzxc | stew i did aptitude update |
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| 16:39.56 | asdzxc | stew but i'm getting some strange problems with public key of backports |
| 16:40.03 | asdzxc | gpg error |
| 16:40.04 | stew | judd: versions proftpd |
| 16:40.05 | judd | stew: proftpd -- etch: 1.3.0-19etch1 etch-security: 1.3.0-19etch2 sid: 1.3.1-15 lenny: 1.3.1-17 sid: 1.3.1-17 etch-backports: 1.3.1-17lenny2~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 1.3.1-17lenny2 |
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| 16:40.13 | stew | asdzxc: see their instructions page to fix the gpg warning |
| 16:40.26 | stew | "etch-backports: 1.3.1-17lenny2~bpo40+1" |
| 16:40.54 | stew | asdzxc: you should also consider upgrading to lenny, the current stable version of debian (/msg dpkg etch->lenny) |
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| 16:41.08 | burg | hello. i have just installed debian for the first time, but i do have some problems. 1st: when i type `sudo command`, after i type the password, it sais: burg is not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported |
| 16:41.11 | burg | what does that mean? |
| 16:41.13 | mizan | hello i |
| 16:41.21 | ranix | hello, I |
| 16:41.43 | mizan | hi ranix |
| 16:41.49 | ranix | hi mizan |
| 16:41.54 | mizan | were ru |
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| 16:41.59 | ranix | !u |
| 16:42.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:42.06 | stew | ignore him |
| 16:42.09 | asdzxc | stew thnks, it's working now |
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| 16:43.18 | ranix | he's not a troll, he just speaks english poorly and seems to not understand the purpose of the channel |
| 16:43.19 | ranix | mizan: /join #debian-offtopic |
| 16:43.19 | stew | nor any other channel he's been in afaict |
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| 16:43.47 | burg | help, please? |
| 16:44.11 | cromag | burg: debian is not ubuntu |
| 16:44.18 | ranix | burg: sudoedit |
| 16:44.22 | cromag | for you as user to use the sudo command you ne... |
| 16:44.25 | cromag | there you go.. |
| 16:44.36 | ranix | burg: in Debian you may login as root |
| 16:44.42 | cognitiaclaeves1 | Are there still issues with using apt-get dist-upgrade? ( I would be trying to upgrade from a Fresh install of Etch to Lenny. ) |
| 16:44.49 | ranix | burg: I agree with the sentiment that sudo is sometimes more correct (more secure) |
| 16:45.03 | ranix | burg: so I also use sudo for some things I do not use root for |
| 16:45.24 | ranix | burg: it is a personal preference that requires thought, in Debian we prefer to not teach that "sudo is more secure" because that is a fallacious thought |
| 16:45.33 | MikeH | Is there a reason why using Pin-Priority: -1 works when dist-upgrading to my current etch, but trying to dist-upgrade to lenny, it appears to be ignored? |
| 16:45.36 | ranix | hence the need to configure |
| 16:45.42 | burg | aha, i understand |
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| 16:46.24 | hark | rudi_s: yes, see the aptitude docs |
| 16:46.28 | maligor | I don't see how sudo would be more secure, the defaults even remember passwords |
| 16:46.30 | burg | i was a ubuntu user before, so i do have some ubuntu habits. now: how do i setup pppoe connection? i tried pppoeconfig, but it sais: command not found |
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| 16:48.34 | burg | ranix ? |
| 16:48.38 | lhz | does debian has any rescue disk containing gnuparted ? |
| 16:48.49 | hark | rudi_s: try %t |
| 16:48.52 | rudi_s | hark: Can you give me a hint please? I looked there and only found %t which displays stable/unstable which isn't enough for me, because some other sources use stable too. |
| 16:48.57 | ranix | burg: sorry, I haven't used pppoe since |
| 16:48.58 | ranix | uh |
| 16:49.05 | ranix | hm 56k, muds |
| 16:49.07 | ranix | 1998 |
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| 16:49.29 | rudi_s | hark: Thanks, is there something better than %t, with more information? |
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| 16:50.42 | burg | ok then, i`ll find it somehow. i do have one more problem: when i double clicked a ntfs partiton (one of my windows partitions) it said: could not mount volume. how can i mount it and read/write it? |
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| 16:51.19 | comradekingu | lhz: You can use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parted_Magic or gparted, both readily available as livecds |
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| 16:51.25 | SQlvpapir | I need a quick easy to install mail server to accept mail to *@* basicly anything incomming |
| 16:51.34 | hark | rudi_s: let me check |
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| 16:52.21 | MikeH | Is anyone able to help me upgrade from etch to lenny without upgrading the kernel? |
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| 16:52.52 | rudi_s | hark: Thanks. |
| 16:52.55 | burg | ranix, can you tell me how to mount correctly? i have to say, i`ve only installed aps from 1st debian dvd |
| 16:53.12 | ranix | burg: I mount to directories in /mnt/ |
| 16:53.13 | aixenv | got an 32big etch server not recognizing all the memory, i do believe all 'etch' kernels came with 'bigmem' correct? |
| 16:53.15 | ranix | like /mnt/hd2 |
| 16:53.17 | SQlvpapir | do the upgrade and then remove the old kernel if it installs it.. it adds the kernel, not replace it |
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| 16:53.27 | ranix | I would do "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/hd2" |
| 16:53.31 | aixenv | we put in 4gb of ram and its showing '3636444k' |
| 16:53.37 | ranix | mount can usually detect the fs type on its own |
| 16:53.44 | ranix | if it can't, you may have to specify |
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| 16:53.58 | MikeH | SQlvpapir: So I'll be able to backup menu.lst and just replace it again after the upgrade? |
| 16:54.02 | Polarina | Does Debian Lenny, by default, support ext4? |
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| 16:54.26 | aixenv | any ideas? bad ram perhaps? |
| 16:54.34 | SQlvpapir | MikeH: just remove the kernel package after and it will update your bootloader acordingly |
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| 16:54.43 | burg | ok, thanks. restarting now to debian |
| 16:55.13 | MikeH | ok |
| 16:55.17 | MikeH | thanks. |
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| 16:56.41 | Polarina | Does Debian 5.0, by default, support mounting ext4 filesystems? |
| 16:56.49 | MikeH | Silly Question, How long can I expect etch->lenny to take? I'm getting roughly between 10-40MB/s, and it's downloading 320MB, so I guess download time wise, not long..... |
| 16:57.19 | Polarina | MikeH: I would recommend nothing->lenny. |
| 16:57.36 | rudi_s | Polarina: I think so, never done it though. |
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| 16:57.51 | krefik | lenny isn't bad, although I prefer sid ;-) |
| 16:57.59 | MikeH | Polarina: Not an option. |
| 16:58.07 | Polarina | krefik: If you want unstable, but still functional, use squeeze. |
| 16:58.25 | Polarina | MikeH: All right. I wouldn't expect it to take long, provided no problems arrise. |
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| 16:59.57 | krefik | Polarina: I got smaller dependency hell with sid than with squeeze, when using external repositories |
| 17:00.25 | Polarina | krefik: Even less with lenny. |
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| 17:02.36 | enouf | aixenv: you might be better off living with the loss of the 350MB vs the extra layer of PAE you'd need that the -bigmem kernels have |
| 17:03.36 | ranix | I think that's not a -bigmem issue, I think that's a 32 bit address space issue |
| 17:04.00 | krefik | Polarina: I don't like having so much obsolete software... I would stick to gentoo, but at this moment is not an option for me |
| 17:04.18 | enouf | ranix: what does -bigmem address? |
| 17:04.28 | ranix | enouf: looking it up now |
| 17:04.36 | Polarina | krefik: Gentoo has even older stuff. And also, lenny doesn't have old software. |
| 17:04.36 | ranix | I thought ram in excess of 16g |
| 17:04.40 | ranix | or 8g |
| 17:04.41 | enouf | ranix: the 32 bit address space issue |
| 17:04.50 | enouf | 4G |
| 17:05.07 | maligor | heh, you mean 3G and a bit :P |
| 17:05.27 | Polarina | wished PAE wouldn't exist so people would actually bother upgarding to 64-bit operating systems for improved performance. |
| 17:05.29 | enouf | ranix: note; this is not kernel 'per process' related either |
| 17:05.32 | jelly | Polarina: the userspace supports ext4, but you really want a 2.6.28 or newer kernel to use it |
| 17:05.42 | Polarina | jelly: Ok. |
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| 17:05.59 | krefik | Polarina: Gentoo with official repositories is a bit outdated, but one can use stuff from lot of external repositories without any dependency problems, with debian it's good to use as few repos as possible |
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| 17:06.28 | jelly | Polarina: it helps that tytso maintains e2fsprogs in Debian, so we always have the very newest (and often unreleased) versions |
| 17:06.37 | Polarina | krefik: I prefer to compile manually things that are not in the repository. |
| 17:07.14 | ranix | enouf: I stand corrected |
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| 17:07.19 | enouf | aixenv: you could check also in your BIOS for memory hole remap setting that places (remaps) the pci address space above the 4G boundary |
| 17:07.33 | enouf | ranix: no worries |
| 17:07.37 | ranix | I thought all amd64 kernels supported 4g+ |
| 17:07.45 | enouf | they do |
| 17:07.49 | ranix | and all <=686 did not |
| 17:07.56 | enouf | and - he could use an amd64 kernel |
| 17:08.13 | krefik | Polarina: I used to, but since november till july my main workstation is eeepc, and keeping whole build stack is a bit problematic ;-) |
| 17:08.15 | ranix | I didn't know 686 could take -bigmem |
| 17:08.15 | hark | rudi_s: don't think there's an option for a column entry |
| 17:08.18 | enouf | there is no PAE in amd64 kernels |
| 17:08.33 | jelly | ranix: depends what of 4GiB you're referring to. If it's address space, then you're correct |
| 17:08.54 | rudi_s | hark: Hm. Thanks anyway ;-) |
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| 17:09.59 | hark | rudi_s: but you could use origin in the default grouping |
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| 17:11.26 | hark | rudi_s: pattern(~O) |
| 17:11.39 | person2 | Xfce keeps crashing on me; is there a way for me to reset the config? |
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| 17:11.52 | black9ice | Download Debian now, to x64 or i386 is the question....hmmmm choices! |
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| 17:12.18 | rudi_s | hark: Very nice ;-) Thank you very much. |
| 17:12.27 | jvdm | is there any mailists or support documents for using debian on laptops? specially for amd64? |
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| 17:12.40 | hark | rudi_s: np |
| 17:13.08 | hark | jvdm: /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 17:13.24 | lhz | whats up with downloads on sf? |
| 17:13.51 | Deeem2031 | hi, I'm trying to install libgtk2.0-dev, but all the package manager report that there is no installation candidate or doesn't exist in the database - what shall I do? |
| 17:14.05 | hark | rudi_s: http://noone.org/blog/English/Computer/Debian/Group%20by%20origin%20in%20aptitude.futile |
| 17:14.59 | rudi_s | hark: Thanks, will have a look. |
| 17:15.07 | hark | Deeem2031: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 17:17.16 | larcen_ | hi all |
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| 17:18.46 | abrotman | Deeem2031: there should be .. do you have http sourceS? |
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| 17:19.59 | StyXman_ | hi all. I just made a mirror of debian-volatile for lenny and I only ofund *pidgin*. why pidgin is there? and where is clamav-data? |
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| 17:24.36 | rajeshsr | hi |
| 17:24.48 | enouf | Deeem2031: comment out the cdrom line in sources.list and run apt-get update? /msg dpkg sources.list ; /msg dpkg grounding ; /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 17:25.03 | rajeshsr | I have compiled qc-usb-source for logitech web cam |
| 17:25.09 | rajeshsr | after make all |
| 17:25.34 | rajeshsr | on trying "insmod ./quickcam.o" |
| 17:25.43 | rajeshsr | it gives error: |
| 17:25.53 | rajeshsr | insmod: error inserting './quickcam.o': -1 Invalid module format |
| 17:25.56 | enouf | depmod ; modprobe .. |
| 17:26.21 | enouf | and use module-assistant |
| 17:26.53 | rajeshsr | enouf, am sorry to be so dumb! Can u tell me cleraly what to do? |
| 17:27.15 | black9ice | Here our my system spec's: Evga 780i, E8400 at 3.6Ghz, 8800GTX 768M, 4gig of DDR2-800, many HDD's, Which should I use with out issues running a lot in wine and vbox? 32 or 64bit? I think I know I should just bite the bullet and us 64 but....compat problems or bugs... I hate um |
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| 17:27.19 | enouf | you need/want .ko anyway - and you pass the name to modprobe, with .ko appended |
| 17:27.33 | enouf | withOUT i mean |
| 17:27.55 | rajeshsr | >modprobe quickcam |
| 17:27.57 | rajeshsr | u mean? |
| 17:27.57 | enouf | for ex; (modprobe quickcam) |
| 17:28.08 | rajeshsr | >>FATAL: Module quickcam not found. |
| 17:28.19 | enouf | ofcourse it doesn't |
| 17:28.23 | rajeshsr | it is in /usr/lsrc/qc-usb-source directory.. |
| 17:28.34 | rajeshsr | *src |
| 17:28.41 | rajeshsr | am i to put that to lib? |
| 17:29.07 | enouf | rajeshsr: i just said, a kernel module is a .ko not an .o (which is likely just a lib) |
| 17:29.35 | enouf | er .so and .a are libs .. |
| 17:29.42 | simonrvn | object file, probably incomplete even |
| 17:29.50 | abrotman | unless you're on a 2.4.x ... |
| 17:29.56 | enouf | yeah - older kernel formatr |
| 17:30.00 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 17:30.24 | enouf | in that case, insmod is ok as well :-P |
| 17:30.33 | enouf | but you better know your dependent ones :-) |
| 17:30.40 | hark | rajeshsr: why not just use the debian package? |
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| 17:31.37 | rajeshsr | hark, am not able to find any .deb package for that.. |
| 17:31.45 | rajeshsr | In fact i found the src code via synaptic |
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| 17:32.09 | hark | rajeshsr: m-a a-i qc-usb |
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| 17:33.16 | hark | rajeshsr: read the instructions in /usr/share/doc/qc-usb-source/ |
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| 17:33.39 | deonild | Does all virtual machine software need to modify my real OS's kernel? looks like virtualbox, xen, and kvm(kernel-based virtual machine heh) will. Is this not a big thing? From previous experience trying gentoo, which I couldn't get fully working, the kernel was the hardest part.. |
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| 17:34.21 | ranix | deonild: qemu certainle doesn't need to |
| 17:34.30 | ranix | deonild: that's the only one I have intimate experience with |
| 17:34.36 | deonild | ranix, thx i'll check it out |
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| 17:34.46 | valdyn | deonild: only kvm and lguest are built into stock kernels |
| 17:34.48 | ranix | deonild: but even qemu wants the kqemu accelerator kernel module |
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| 17:35.48 | rajeshsr | hark, actually am facing ae problem. uniqu |
| 17:35.59 | rajeshsr | lsusb lists Logitech Quickcam.. |
| 17:36.04 | Geek`N`Proud | deonild, VirtualBox, KQEMU and KVM compile in as modules - there's no need for a custom kernel with them |
| 17:36.05 | valdyn | deonild: so kvm does need need "need to modify your real OS's kernel |
| 17:36.05 | deonild | ranix, so installing qemu does modify the kernel? Probably isn't a big thing, just adding 1 module or something anyway, maybe it's necessary for any virtualization? |
| 17:36.05 | Materazzi | hi, lately when I boot I sound card is no longer detected... if I reboot it reappears... how do I make it appear w/o rebooting? |
| 17:36.09 | rajeshsr | But i don't have any /dev/video0.. |
| 17:36.42 | Geek`N`Proud | deonild, yes there is a need for a kernel module. Otherwise actions can't be performed in a simulated Ring 0 |
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| 17:36.43 | valdyn | deonild: its already built into debian kernels ( kvm ) |
| 17:36.43 | ranix | deonild: qemu does not require kqemu, but it wants it |
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| 17:37.01 | Deeem2031 | so i tried all you said but still no success with installing libgtk2.0-dev: http://paste.debian.net/32252 |
| 17:37.15 | valdyn | judd: versions libgtk2.0-dev |
| 17:37.16 | judd | valdyn: libgtk2.0-dev -- etch: 2.8.20-7 lenny: 2.12.11-4 sid: 2.14.7-5 squeeze: 2.14.7-5 experimental: 2.16.0-1 |
| 17:37.25 | Geek`N`Proud | deonild, both VirtualBox and QEMU can run without a kernel module.. but then it becomes x86 emulation not virtualisation :P |
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| 17:37.54 | deonild | ah ok, so I might just use virtualbox since I know others that use it :) I just have bad experience trying to build my own kernel on a weird laptop heh |
| 17:38.08 | deonild | sounds like it should be all auto |
| 17:38.12 | ranix | deonild: remember kernel modules can be loaded/unloaded dynamically |
| 17:38.27 | ranix | adding a kernel module is and isn't "modifying the kernel" |
| 17:38.29 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 17:38.29 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:38.45 | ranix | like, it's often not a big deal to add a kernel module |
| 17:38.45 | deonild | ok thx all |
| 17:38.57 | hark | Deeem2031: it's your pinning, see your /etc/apt/preferences file |
| 17:38.59 | enouf | deonild: man modprobe |
| 17:39.45 | enouf | deonild: as mentioned, no kernel building required for certain VM/VEs |
| 17:40.27 | deonild | yep, much easier that I had thought |
| 17:40.32 | deonild | than* |
| 17:40.44 | hark | Deeem2031: -1 means it won't be installed. if you want to pin packages from backports, see the instructions on backports.org |
| 17:40.48 | Deeem2031 | thx hark that helped |
| 17:41.28 | rajeshsr | lsusb displays quickcam.. |
| 17:41.45 | rajeshsr | But quick.sh doesn't seem to recognize it.. |
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| 17:42.47 | hark | rajeshsr: what does lsusb say about it? |
| 17:43.06 | rajeshsr | Bus 002 Device 005: ID 046d:0928 Logitech, Inc. Quickcam Express |
| 17:43.14 | rajeshsr | it displays an entry like that.. |
| 17:43.22 | rajeshsr | so it is getting detected.. |
| 17:43.50 | rajeshsr | but quickcam.sh says no camera detected.. |
| 17:44.00 | rajeshsr | This is probably to do with /dev/video? |
| 17:44.44 | enouf | is udevd running? |
| 17:46.13 | rajeshsr | yep, is that for detecting new devices? |
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| 17:47.32 | xsamurai | If i add php5-clamavlib to the system apache2 stops working |
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| 17:48.25 | MikeH | Is there anyway to skip the pre-removal script when removing a package? |
| 17:48.32 | deonild | 1 more Q for installing virtualbox. I'm using a 2.6.26-1-686 kernel on Debian, and want to run winXP as the virtual OS. Virtualbox will install linux-image-2.6.26-1-486..? Q is: recommended packages = virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.26-1-686 or -486. I assume I should go ahead and get modules, want it to be virtualization instead of x86 emulation (like I know what that really means ;) ). seperated as possible.. lol |
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| 17:48.51 | deonild | do I need 1? and which 1, looks like virtualbox might use 486? |
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| 17:49.58 | deonild | maybe I should look for a virtualbox channel? know some of u said u used different vm's |
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| 17:50.35 | hark | rajeshsr: try the gspca drivers |
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| 17:50.50 | xsamurai | anybody have the same problem ? |
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| 17:51.41 | hark | deonild: the -686, same as your kernel |
| 17:51.58 | abrotman | MikeH: there is,but why? |
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| 17:52.09 | MikeH | Because it's failing on removal. |
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| 17:53.41 | abrotman | why is it failing ... |
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| 17:53.53 | enouf | "it's"? |
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| 17:54.38 | D4T | hi all, every reboot I get "kicking non-fresh sdX from array!" then the md device re-syncs with its hot spare. anyone ever seen this before? |
| 17:54.44 | MikeH | It attempts to stop it (cherokee), then it claims it's still running (which it isn't), and then fails on invoke-rc.d, action "stop" failed. |
| 17:55.13 | abrotman | so start it ? |
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| 17:55.30 | abrotman | start the daemon, then remove the package |
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| 17:56.30 | MikeH | abrotman: I've tried that, same result. |
| 17:56.49 | abrotman | MikeH: edit the prerm script and comment out the part that is trying to stop it |
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| 17:57.07 | rajeshsr | hark, ok, lemme see that. But it is strange to see that, lsmod displays the camera, but it is not detected! |
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| 17:57.22 | rajeshsr | sorry i men lsusb |
| 17:57.27 | rajeshsr | *mean |
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| 17:58.02 | enouf | D4T: what's on sdX? |
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| 17:58.55 | D4T | enouf: well, everything is correct. it actually drops a partition from one of my md devices not all. |
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| 17:59.28 | enouf | D4T: and why isn't it fresh? have you run smartmontools on the disks? |
| 17:59.30 | D4T | enouf: even swapped the disk out just incase but am getting the same symptom with new disks |
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| 18:00.01 | person2 | Xfce keeps crashing on me; is there a way for me to reset its configuration? |
| 18:00.26 | Borderline | Hello! Could you please freenode me? |
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| 18:02.05 | kibibyte | hi |
| 18:02.06 | abrotman | Borderline: /join #freenode ? |
| 18:02.34 | D4T | enouf: any ideas? |
| 18:02.47 | enouf | person2: create a new system user? |
| 18:02.56 | enouf | D4T: far too many |
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| 18:03.11 | person2 | enouf... well then i'd lose my other config |
| 18:03.28 | enouf | person2: you mean the bad config? that's an issue? |
| 18:03.47 | enouf | and no, it'll just lay dormant in the other user's $HOME |
| 18:03.48 | person2 | Possibly, I don't know. XFCE doesn't usually behave like this |
| 18:03.51 | person2 | Just has done lately |
| 18:04.13 | person2 | Yeah but I mean that I then won't be using my other config |
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| 18:04.37 | enouf | person2: it's a 1st step to homing in on the issue IMHO |
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| 18:05.38 | enouf | person2: does it always crash the same way? at the same time? after a certain amount of uptime? certain amount of other apps running? only when CPU is pinned? |
| 18:05.41 | person2 | Creating a new user is? Isn't there just a directory in my /home/ directory that I can delete without worrying that it'll get rid of anything but stuff changed in the settings manager? |
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| 18:06.06 | person2 | Hmm, I'm not sure, sorry |
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| 18:06.47 | enouf | you can remove anything you want from your $HOME at any time - what you remove or add will have some consequence - might be good, might be bad |
| 18:07.13 | enouf | i don't know what a "settings mangler" is |
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| 18:08.05 | hark | person2: see ~/.config/xfce4/ |
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| 18:11.58 | rajeshsr | > $LSUSB | grep -i 'ID 046d:' | egrep '(:0840 |:0850 |:0870 )' |
| 18:12.03 | solitron | hello, I'm giving my first steps in programming, how do I get man or info pages for the C library? I installed glibc-doc and glibc-doc-reference and tried some combinations like info math.h, info math, man math.h, man math, how do I do it? |
| 18:12.05 | rajeshsr | this is the line i see in the sh file.. |
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| 18:12.19 | kibibyte | is it possible to run some script when user is added to system? |
| 18:12.20 | rajeshsr | mine shows: |
| 18:12.21 | rajeshsr | Bus 002 Device 006: ID 046d:0928 Logitech, Inc. Quickcam Express |
| 18:12.29 | stoffell | kibibyte, check inotify |
| 18:12.40 | JyZyXEL | rajeshsr does it work? |
| 18:12.42 | rajeshsr | i think it shud probably mean that mu cam is not supported?! |
| 18:12.50 | rajeshsr | *my |
| 18:13.00 | kibibyte | whats that rajeshsr |
| 18:13.23 | rajeshsr | i am trying to install driver for my web came.. |
| 18:13.23 | Valx | Any EECS students here ? |
| 18:13.28 | rajeshsr | lsusb, lists: |
| 18:13.31 | rajeshsr | Bus 002 Device 006: ID 046d:0928 Logitech, Inc. Quickcam Express |
| 18:14.17 | simonrvn | rajeshsr: what kernel do you have, also, didn't people help you with this already? |
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| 18:15.35 | rajeshsr | The shell file for the driver, while checking for a compatible camera looks for: The shell file for the driver, while checking for a compatible camera looks for: $LSUSB | grep -i 'ID 046d:' | egrep '(:0840 |:0850 |:0870 )' |
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| 18:15.46 | rajeshsr | does that mean, my cam is not supported by this driver? |
| 18:15.48 | terseus | Hi people! |
| 18:16.06 | terseus | I'm doing a fsck.xfs wrapper shell script to check XFS units at boot-time |
| 18:16.24 | terseus | my problem is I don't know when the system have been badly shutdown |
| 18:16.30 | rajeshsr | simonrvn, i received some input from hark and enough, just trying to see what is the problem with this driver.. |
| 18:16.33 | terseus | is there a way to know it from shell script ? |
| 18:16.41 | simonrvn | rajeshsr: sh scripts can be wrong ;). |
| 18:16.57 | rajeshsr | simonrvn, oh! |
| 18:17.00 | hark | rajeshsr: did you try the gspca driver? |
| 18:17.15 | rajeshsr | hark, not yet, lemme see.. |
| 18:17.25 | hark | rajeshsr: what does uname -r say? |
| 18:17.27 | simonrvn | there's a few drivers you can try out, gspca being one of them |
| 18:17.47 | rajeshsr | 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 18:18.01 | simonrvn | i'm thinking .28 or higher would be cool because there were a canoeload of web cam drivers added in .28 |
| 18:18.03 | enouf | solitron: manpages-dev might also be useful |
| 18:18.14 | hark | rajeshsr: etch? |
| 18:18.36 | rajeshsr | yep |
| 18:18.36 | solitron | enouf, and with info? since they are more updated |
| 18:18.52 | simonrvn | !tell rajeshsr -about eth->lenny |
| 18:18.53 | hark | rajeshsr: spca5xx or similar in etch iirc |
| 18:18.59 | simonrvn | !tell rajeshsr -about etch->lenny |
| 18:19.03 | simonrvn | sorry rajeshsr |
| 18:19.19 | enouf | solitron: i'm not sure offhand |
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| 18:19.33 | solitron | ok |
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| 18:19.37 | simonrvn | he'd have to build them separately, they weren't added until later |
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| 18:19.53 | enouf | solitron: /msg dpkg glibc-doc (you did already?) |
| 18:19.59 | terseus | please, no one know a way to detect a bad shutdown at boot-time? |
| 18:20.05 | simonrvn | (that etch->lenny is something to consider) |
| 18:20.27 | solitron | enouf, the bot has no idea :) |
| 18:20.40 | simonrvn | terseus: um one easy way is if your filesystems perform a fsk or journal recovery.... |
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| 18:20.46 | simonrvn | fsck* |
| 18:21.17 | terseus | it's for XFS units, I must use xfs_repair -n |
| 18:21.18 | enouf | solitron: sorry - remove the hyphen |
| 18:21.30 | hark | rajeshsr: you can try: m-a prepare; m-a a-i spca5xx. then modprobe spca5xx. check dmesg and something like camorama. otherwise best to upgrade to lenny |
| 18:21.30 | Hohlraum | hey guys I'm trying to do network aliases with iface bond0:1 and it isn't working. i'm using the new sysfs config options in the interfaces file and its setting up the bonding just fine but it won't add the bond0:1 aliases for additional ips i need to bind on those cards. this works just fine on an older sarge box i have. I've got 30 minutes to get this working and my brains are fried. |
| 18:21.31 | terseus | but do a complete check |
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| 18:21.56 | solitron | enouf, he doesn't know, anyway, I have the same problem even after installing manpages-dev |
| 18:21.59 | simonrvn | xfs will will do a journal recovery. fscking it would be wise. |
| 18:22.20 | terseus | I need a simpler, quicker way, not to know if a filesystem is corrupt, but if the system have been badly shutdown (sorry for my poor english ^_^) |
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| 18:22.31 | solitron | enouf, thanks, got it |
| 18:22.45 | frostschutz | xfs doesn't have fsck, it repairs on mount |
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| 18:22.56 | simonrvn | frostschutz: wrong |
| 18:23.12 | frostschutz | and xfs_repair is not somethign you should do automatically |
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| 18:23.32 | terseus | xfs_repair -n don't modify the filesystem |
| 18:23.34 | terseus | only check it |
| 18:23.59 | terseus | and I have been problems with the automatic repair of XFS filesystems |
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| 18:24.25 | terseus | causing lost of files (not important... that time) |
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| 18:25.26 | simonrvn | um, xfs is that way terseus |
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| 18:25.56 | terseus | that way? |
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| 18:26.31 | simonrvn | loss of files due to a partially corrupt journal |
| 18:26.42 | enouf | sounds like you want some DMI/SMBIOS way of interacting with said box |
| 18:26.59 | simonrvn | i heard it got fixed, but dunno what kernel version, or if it's true even. |
| 18:27.01 | mythomaniac | god bless aptitude! |
| 18:27.07 | terseus | but that can't be avoided with a previous xfs_repair? |
| 18:27.12 | terseus | before mount |
| 18:27.56 | enouf | i don't think he even cares about the FS at all - maybe it's a homework question - like "how do you know if your system was improperly shutdown" - "was it due to a power outage?" -"which hardware would you check 1st" |
| 18:28.04 | mythomaniac | anyone here use the ncurses gui for aptitude? |
| 18:28.22 | simonrvn | mythomaniac: many people... |
| 18:28.31 | simonrvn | tui or nui ;) |
| 18:28.57 | simonrvn | enouf: probably... |
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| 18:29.03 | mythomaniac | simonrvn, rock on, i personally like it a lot |
| 18:29.03 | terseus | I care about a bad shutdown so my shell script know when must check the FS, and repair it if necessary |
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| 18:29.30 | valdyn | terseus: why the hell are you doing it that way? |
| 18:29.37 | valdyn | terseus: debian does the right thing by default. |
| 18:29.45 | valdyn | terseus: thats shell scripts |
| 18:30.03 | terseus | debian does a fsck.xfs, but fsck.xfs in Debian simply do nothing |
| 18:30.12 | enouf | ... |
| 18:30.40 | valdyn | terseus: because xfs does the check and recovery online, after mount |
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| 18:31.04 | simonrvn | terseus: that's on fricking purpose man, leave it alone. |
| 18:31.15 | terseus | I have been problems with it, that's the reason I'm writing a shell script to check/repair it |
| 18:31.25 | valdyn | terseus: you should see this when its mounted and already mounted but very slow |
| 18:31.35 | simonrvn | such as? |
| 18:31.38 | terseus | ?¿? |
| 18:31.40 | valdyn | terseus: thats not going to do you any good |
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| 18:32.26 | simonrvn | mythomaniac: i do too |
| 18:32.37 | terseus | I must be silly but don't understand you, can you explain more please? |
| 18:32.39 | mythomaniac | ;) |
| 18:33.06 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 18:33.09 | valdyn | terseus: xfs checks your filesystem when mounting it. Only when it CANNOT mount theres a point in using xfs_repair, to my knowledge |
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| 18:33.32 | terseus | I see... |
| 18:33.38 | rajeshsr | can anyone tell me or point me to a proper resource where i can learn how /dev/video is detected? lsusb displays the usb device, but no /dev/video0, what sort of drivers needed? gspca also doesn't seem to work! |
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| 18:34.15 | enouf | try #v4l maybe |
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| 18:34.18 | steffan | When will the irssi package on Debian be updated to http://irssi.org/files/irssi-0.8.13.tar.gz? |
| 18:34.44 | simonrvn | 0.8.13rc1 hit sid last week |
| 18:34.50 | stew | steffan: is there a wishlist bug? |
| 18:35.02 | terseus | so XFS it's not very reliable? |
| 18:35.10 | simonrvn | ok, 2 weeks ago =) |
| 18:35.13 | simonrvn | Client: irssi 0.8.13-rc1 (20090318 1916) |
| 18:35.17 | enouf | terseus: maybe your hardware is failing |
| 18:35.19 | valdyn | terseus: and when you mounted and it announces that its replaying the journal then its undoing some incomplete transactions, which might make files go away |
| 18:35.44 | valdyn | terseus: xfs_repear cannot fix that. |
| 18:35.49 | valdyn | *repair* |
| 18:35.51 | simonrvn | or partially fill them with zeroes ;) |
| 18:36.14 | simonrvn | (that was older stuff though) |
| 18:36.16 | terseus | but I lost files previously writed to disk, no not-saved files |
| 18:36.17 | valdyn | fixed in 2007 or so i heared |
| 18:36.24 | valdyn | but i cant talk about that from personal experience |
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| 18:36.45 | valdyn | terseus: then you have issues that your filesystem might not be responsible for |
| 18:37.03 | terseus | issues? |
| 18:37.10 | simonrvn | yeh, that has been fixed. i think it's just a rollback now if it's a partial file. |
| 18:37.15 | valdyn | terseus: just because you "lost some files" doesnt mean that the fs broke |
| 18:37.33 | valdyn | terseus: WHICH files? |
| 18:38.01 | valdyn | terseus: some config file that was in fact deleted and recreated? |
| 18:38.06 | terseus | a personal file and a configuration file in /etc (don't remember exactly, that was some months ago) |
| 18:38.10 | terseus | no |
| 18:38.21 | terseus | I recreate it when found it empty |
| 18:38.24 | valdyn | terseus: yes, at least for the one in /etc, likely |
| 18:38.42 | valdyn | terseus: it was recreated at the time your system crashed, probably, thats how you "lose" a file |
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| 18:39.27 | terseus | I only know that the file was open for readonly when the system was crash |
| 18:39.37 | terseus | and after reboot the file was empty |
| 18:39.57 | enouf | checked the time stamps? |
| 18:40.08 | valdyn | terseus: working as intended probably |
| 18:40.20 | enouf | IOW, an edited file is not a deleted + new file |
| 18:40.48 | valdyn | terseus: read http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/19/1730247&from=rss |
| 18:40.55 | valdyn | terseus: it explains your issue probably |
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| 18:41.15 | valdyn | terseus: doesnt actually matter if its xfs or ext4 or even ext3, all of them can show this |
| 18:41.50 | Polarina | Can Debian 5.0 (2.6.26) mount and use ext4 filesystems properly? |
| 18:41.54 | simonrvn | they all try to do their best to prevent loss, but it's unavoidable... |
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| 18:42.54 | simonrvn | frostschutz: i shouldn't have said "wrong" you are right and wrong. it does have an fsck, but it doesn't do it during boot. |
| 18:43.01 | terseus | but the article talk about overwrited files, this one was opened for readonly |
| 18:43.11 | mm666 | hi |
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| 18:43.12 | enouf | Polarina: likely not - use .28? |
| 18:43.13 | mm666 | Is there anyway to make wpa wireless networks work on debian? |
| 18:43.26 | hark | Polarina: you might need a newer kernel |
| 18:43.31 | frostschutz | simonrvn: I'm right, but you probably meant something else |
| 18:43.31 | Polarina | :( |
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| 18:43.48 | abrotman | Polarina: it has ext4_dev |
| 18:44.13 | simonrvn | frostschutz: heh, ^^^ (scroll up) |
| 18:44.18 | pertain | mm666: yes, you'll need wpa_supplicant |
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| 18:45.08 | mm666 | pertain, I didn't have luck with that.. Is there anything else that could work? |
| 18:45.49 | pertain | mm666: providing a more detailed problem description is known to work best |
| 18:45.53 | dondelelcaro | mm666: nope; that's what you need. It works fairly well |
| 18:46.05 | dondelelcaro | mm666: some wireless cards don't support WPA, though. |
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| 18:47.39 | terseus | valdyn: well, the point I catch is xfs_repair don't bother about journal, only try to repair corrupt FS (can't be mounted or something like this), am I right? |
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| 18:48.32 | rudi_s | Hi. Is there a way to prevent aptitude to overwrite my config file when changing the settings. I would like it to just add the new option. Thanks. |
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| 18:52.41 | rajeshsr | hark, thanks gspca55 worked! |
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| 18:55.28 | D4T | anyone know if its possible to run the latest version of mdadm on etchnahalf ? Can't seem to get it to compile and cannot find a .deb for it :( |
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| 18:56.28 | enouf | judd: versions mdadm |
| 18:56.31 | judd | enouf: mdadm -- etch: 2.5.6-9 etch-backports: 2.6.2-1~bpo.1 lenny: 2.6.7.2-1 sid: 2.6.8-12-gb47dff6-2 squeeze: 2.6.8-12-gb47dff6-2 |
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| 18:58.05 | kibibyte | how to crypt some string in bash |
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| 18:58.29 | mm666 | pertain,dondelelcaro apparently it's not working with rt73 drivers |
| 18:58.31 | mm666 | ;( |
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| 18:58.53 | seven | is there a decent skype version out for debian 5? |
| 18:58.57 | enouf | D4T: IINM, etchnhalf is basically just Etch with a backported .24 kernel - so an etch-backports should suffice, or .. oh, i see - try to backport the squeeze version - the sid one is likely too new (too many changes between oldstable and sid for a ssb perhaps, but that's a guess) |
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| 18:59.12 | JyZyXEL | seven their all crappy |
| 18:59.22 | seven | so better to not use any at all ? :) |
| 18:59.23 | Doonz | so say i want to install a dekstop and remote control it on debian. i only have ssh access how would i do it |
| 18:59.24 | enouf | gah - same versions in sid/squeeze, i suck .. sorry |
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| 19:01.26 | edju | Any hints as to why knode quit connecting to the news server? I can ping the server, traceroute to it and telnet into it. I just can't get news from it. I haven't changed the config of knode. |
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| 19:02.34 | D4T | enouf: nw :) |
| 19:02.49 | enouf | D4T: how long has the array been functioning fine? |
| 19:03.00 | D4T | never |
| 19:03.06 | D4T | its a new install |
| 19:03.18 | enouf | D4T: are you properly using --fail and --remove prior to replacing a disk? |
| 19:03.21 | D4T | i read some reports of others having probs with ubuntu due to the version of mdadm |
| 19:03.45 | enouf | D4T: seen /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* ? |
| 19:03.55 | D4T | huh? |
| 19:04.15 | enouf | oh, you're still running etch to, right? |
| 19:04.17 | enouf | too* |
| 19:04.51 | Polarina | wants this http://www.cs.fit.edu/~mmahoney/compression/barf.html |
| 19:05.29 | D4T | yup |
| 19:05.32 | enouf | D4T: so, no important data on it now? maybe try zeroing the superblock and rebuild |
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| 19:05.51 | enouf | new etch install? why not Lenny? |
| 19:06.05 | D4T | enouf: Tried with different disks all together, same result :( im almost certain its software related hence I think im gonna try ubuntu |
| 19:06.21 | D4T | enouf: Legacy software running on it require Etch |
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| 19:06.28 | D4T | *to be running on it |
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| 19:09.38 | person2 | Is upgrading to squeeze recommended for desktop users yet? |
| 19:10.21 | adama1 | recommended by who? |
| 19:10.38 | person2 | I thought someone would say that |
| 19:11.02 | person2 | Dunno, general consensus in documentation and people in high Debian positions? :P |
| 19:11.03 | adama1 | well fwiw, I am running squeeze on this desktop, and my laptop. |
| 19:11.12 | person2 | Yeah |
| 19:11.17 | Polarina | adama1: Is it different from lenny? |
| 19:11.29 | adama1 | it has the new Gnome - me likey |
| 19:11.41 | person2 | It's just I'm not a very UNIXy person and I don't want stuff breaking severely |
| 19:11.42 | Polarina | :O |
| 19:12.07 | adama1 | very little breakage so far, but you never know |
| 19:12.12 | azeem | person2: squeeze is still quite in flux,AFAIK |
| 19:12.20 | person2 | Well, I want something stable, basically. Not necessarily obsessively stable, but something stable... |
| 19:12.24 | Polarina | is looking for the best, reliable, compressor for data archival. |
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| 19:12.59 | debianix | allo :D |
| 19:13.05 | Polarina | Hello. |
| 19:13.06 | rudi_s | person2: Then you should stay with stable. |
| 19:13.23 | debianix | anyone can help with ffmpeg app |
| 19:13.33 | person2 | k thanks rudi_s |
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| 19:13.38 | rudi_s | person2: np |
| 19:13.42 | person2 | get squeeze when there's a release? |
| 19:13.44 | simonrvn | Polarina: that's like watching a catholic and a protestant arguing about their jesus :P |
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| 19:14.09 | Polarina | simonrvn: I have LZMA, but I was looking for something better, if there is one. |
| 19:14.10 | debianix | as far as what i have read, img_convert has been removed from the lib |
| 19:14.33 | simonrvn | lzma is purdy good, so's bz2 and gzip ;) |
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| 19:14.47 | Polarina | simonrvn: bz2 and gz aren't so good... |
| 19:14.54 | debianix | and there is a few apps that uses it ... anyone knows anything about it ? |
| 19:15.10 | simonrvn | -9 option |
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| 19:15.27 | Polarina | simonrvn: I always use that option, no matter which compressor. |
| 19:15.37 | ser | hello, i am the linux documentation project "staff" - and we want to include all content of debian's /usr/share/doc to our site. the question is how to maintain it and keep actual? |
| 19:15.43 | simonrvn | good for you |
| 19:16.26 | simonrvn | 7z is good too, but does NOT preserve unix perms |
| 19:16.43 | simonrvn | you'll have to wrap stuff up in a tar op first |
| 19:17.24 | Polarina | simonrvn: 7z uses LZMA. And I prefer .tar.lzma |
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| 19:17.38 | simonrvn | ah ok. i wasn't sure. |
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| 19:18.50 | batcoder-7 | i changed my mouses motion settings how can i change it back to default |
| 19:18.51 | batcoder-7 | ? |
| 19:19.07 | batcoder-7 | it really seems like i can't get it back or something |
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| 19:19.22 | simonrvn | Polarina: so why did you come ask this, if you know all this? :) |
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| 19:21.06 | pertain | batcoder-7: try ``xset m default'' |
| 19:21.16 | Polarina | simonrvn: I don't know everything. :) |
| 19:21.56 | simonrvn | Polarina: you don't? j/k :) |
| 19:22.00 | Polarina | But I wouldn't mind knowing everything... |
| 19:22.07 | Polarina | simonrvn: No, unfortunately not. |
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| 19:23.01 | simonrvn | heh. afk. |
| 19:23.15 | Polarina | Only if reliable digital storage media existed... |
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| 19:28.46 | dennis_p | stella the Atari 2600 emulator can't be installed since lenny while it is still listed on packages, apt says it found remains but may have been dropped while stella itself is still being updated even this year |
| 19:29.30 | dennis_p | yeah for odd long sentences :-/ |
| 19:29.37 | dennis_p | sorry |
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| 19:31.41 | simonrvn | Polarina: yeh :/ |
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| 19:32.31 | Polarina | simonrvn: Hard drives would be fine if they had a significantly lower failure rates. |
| 19:33.07 | Polarina | simonrvn: Or a reliable warning sign ("About to fail!") that lits several days before failure. |
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| 19:34.59 | simonrvn | would help if they were made with quality instead of profits in mind ;). |
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| 19:36.26 | batcoder-7 | do most of you just use your mouses default sensetivity ? |
| 19:36.35 | gpm | no |
| 19:36.49 | Polarina | batcoder-7: Depends on whether I bought a crappy mouse or not. |
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| 19:37.07 | batcoder-7 | Polarina, i am just using a standard dell mouse |
| 19:37.10 | Polarina | batcoder-7: At the moment, I got an awesome mouse, so default sensitivity. |
| 19:37.26 | gpm | oh, i hope it's a ps2 mouse |
| 19:37.35 | batcoder-7 | usb? |
| 19:38.02 | simonrvn | batcoder-7: no way, it's either too fast, too slow, or not sensitive enough. |
| 19:38.12 | Polarina | gpm: It's a USB mouse, wireless, but I have a -> PS/2 converter. |
| 19:38.26 | batcoder-7 | i am about to get a trackball mouse |
| 19:38.31 | batcoder-7 | just to try |
| 19:38.35 | gpm | nice |
| 19:38.41 | gpm | shit, i haven't used a trackball in ages |
| 19:38.48 | Polarina | has a mouse emitting light outside the visible light spectrum. |
| 19:38.57 | batcoder-7 | i have heard some of the new ones with the right settings can be awesome |
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| 19:39.01 | simonrvn | i want a tablet, i hate doing graphics with a mouse... |
| 19:39.07 | gpm | yeah i bet |
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| 19:39.16 | gpm | are you gimping it up? |
| 19:39.20 | batcoder-7 | trackball is suppose to be better for graphics as well |
| 19:39.22 | simonrvn | being poor sucks sometimes |
| 19:39.27 | Polarina | gpm: Me? |
| 19:39.31 | gpm | no, simonrvn |
| 19:39.32 | simonrvn | trackball is ok |
| 19:39.54 | batcoder-7 | i need a mouse pad |
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| 19:40.21 | maligor | cheaper wacoms aren't that expensive |
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| 19:40.40 | batcoder-7 | i might buy one of those as well |
| 19:41.23 | Polarina | prefers wireless mouses, without a trackball (I hate losing the ball). |
| 19:41.23 | MikeH | How can I install just one package from a newer version (I'm running Lenny, I would like to install cherokee from unstable) |
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| 19:41.41 | ranix | simonrvn: my girlfriend got a Wacom Intuos |
| 19:41.42 | simonrvn | maligor: granted, but "expensive" is relative ;). |
| 19:41.49 | ranix | simonrvn: it's not bad, decent size, less than $300 |
| 19:41.54 | Polarina | MikeH: Enable squeese, like you were going to upgrade, install that package and switch back to lenny. |
| 19:41.56 | ranix | simonrvn: it sounds and feels like paper |
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| 19:42.01 | ranix | it's fuckin weird |
| 19:42.16 | gpm | MikeH: you could just grab the .deb and dpkg -i it, but make sure you know what you're getting yourself into with a sid package |
| 19:42.38 | maligor | ranix, all the wacoms are like that |
| 19:42.53 | gpm | for a second i read "all the women are like that" |
| 19:42.54 | maligor | they work well in linux too |
| 19:42.55 | simonrvn | MikeH: don't expect to be able to get away with that for very long. |
| 19:42.57 | Polarina | MikeH: But I wouldn't get anything from sid (own experience), and simply compile it yourself. |
| 19:43.02 | batcoder-7 | what file editor do you guys use? |
| 19:43.07 | gpm | vim |
| 19:43.10 | valdyn | !ssb |
| 19:43.10 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 19:43.13 | valdyn | MikeH: ^^ |
| 19:43.23 | batcoder-7 | i am now using vim and gvim |
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| 19:43.34 | simonrvn | emacs, vim, nano, echo, cat |
| 19:43.44 | maligor | not ed? |
| 19:43.46 | Polarina | MikeH: I installed wesnoth from sid, then when I wanted to install libsdl1.2-dev, it pulled the 9xxx serie of the proprietary nvidia drivers as a dependency. |
| 19:43.48 | batcoder-7 | any good gui editors? |
| 19:43.52 | simonrvn | i dislike ed |
| 19:43.57 | ranix | wesnoth? |
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| 19:44.00 | maligor | but ed is your friend |
| 19:44.04 | Polarina | ranix: It's a computer game. |
| 19:44.09 | simonrvn | i like to see what i'm editing ;). |
| 19:44.09 | Polarina | ranix: A good one. |
| 19:44.10 | ranix | Polarina: is it any good? |
| 19:44.18 | Polarina | ranix: Yes, the best around. |
| 19:44.40 | ranix | I'll check it out |
| 19:44.40 | Polarina | ranix: Check their website, http://wesnoth.org/ |
| 19:44.46 | ranix | turn based multiplayer? |
| 19:44.46 | maligor | ranix, it's a pretty fantastic game |
| 19:44.47 | batcoder-7 | i am looking for a good gui editor |
| 19:44.47 | Polarina | recommends compiling it from source. |
| 19:44.48 | ranix | or real time? |
| 19:44.55 | Polarina | ranix: turn-based strategy. |
| 19:44.57 | batcoder-7 | i use vim most of the time though |
| 19:45.01 | maligor | ranix, turnbased single and multi |
| 19:45.02 | Polarina | ranix: Multi and singleplayer. |
| 19:45.02 | ranix | Polarina: k |
| 19:45.03 | batcoder-7 | scite is not dev'd anymore |
| 19:45.20 | simonrvn | it is |
| 19:45.30 | batcoder-7 | what it ? |
| 19:45.33 | batcoder-7 | scite? |
| 19:45.36 | simonrvn | not very man updates though |
| 19:45.40 | simonrvn | many* |
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| 19:45.47 | batcoder-7 | its so hard to even change the font in that thing |
| 19:46.01 | simonrvn | (probably because they have most or all they want...) |
| 19:46.02 | maligor | there's medit |
| 19:46.04 | batcoder-7 | its using like ariel right now |
| 19:46.13 | Polarina | uses gedit. |
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| 19:46.25 | maligor | and jedit (but jedit isn't debian packaged) |
| 19:46.25 | batcoder-7 | meditthat midnight commander thing ? |
| 19:46.27 | simonrvn | oh that's another i use, gedit |
| 19:46.32 | maligor | and kate's pretty good too |
| 19:46.38 | simonrvn | batcoder-7: no that's mcedit |
| 19:46.42 | batcoder-7 | ah |
| 19:46.46 | batcoder-7 | medit good? |
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| 19:46.54 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 19:47.03 | maligor | haven't really used it much, I prefer vim |
| 19:47.20 | batcoder-7 | i use vim |
| 19:47.23 | batcoder-7 | and gvim |
| 19:47.35 | batcoder-7 | but i wold like something a bit more standard for reallu quick edits |
| 19:47.37 | simonrvn | like his emacs-snapshot |
| 19:47.56 | maligor | 'standard'? |
| 19:48.03 | batcoder-7 | hmm |
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| 19:48.06 | simonrvn | i run it from screen, and use the multi-tty feature (vim's "server") |
| 19:48.14 | maligor | oh and QT Creator too, but the editor in that is tied to the IDE |
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| 19:48.28 | batcoder-7 | i wouldlike a better alternative to geany |
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| 19:48.38 | ranix | vim is great for quick edits |
| 19:48.39 | batcoder-7 | i might just spend some time and configure scite |
| 19:48.51 | simonrvn | being able to connect to an already-running process is handy, whether it be vim or emacs. |
| 19:48.57 | ranix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.59 | batcoder-7 | ranix, truth is i have not learned vim to the full extent yet as well |
| 19:49.13 | ranix | batcoder-7: me neither, I only know like 10 vim commands |
| 19:49.22 | ranix | and I still rock that thing |
| 19:49.24 | batcoder-7 | maybe i will just stick it out and do gvim |
| 19:49.26 | maligor | just print a vim cheatsheet :P |
| 19:49.27 | ranix | seriously spend 20 minutes on it |
| 19:49.33 | ranix | it's so worth it |
| 19:49.35 | batcoder-7 | i do like gvim a bit better then the terminal |
| 19:49.45 | ranix | I've never used gvim |
| 19:49.49 | maligor | I can't stand gvim myself, heh |
| 19:49.57 | batcoder-7 | well |
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| 19:50.04 | batcoder-7 | i do like *clicking tabs* |
| 19:50.11 | ranix | bah |
| 19:50.12 | ranix | :n |
| 19:50.15 | ranix | :p |
| 19:50.24 | ranix | or just screen |
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| 19:50.46 | batcoder-7 | n and p can get annoying from time to time |
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| 19:52.00 | batcoder-7 | i need to upgrade my debian |
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| 19:52.20 | ranix | I really like !make |
| 19:52.29 | ranix | and !./foo |
| 19:52.31 | simonrvn | i just use ^x left/right arrow keys ;p |
| 19:52.44 | simonrvn | or ^x b |
| 19:52.48 | ranix | simonrvn: I don't like moving my hands off home row |
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| 19:53.00 | ranix | bad habit from too many FPS games |
| 19:53.11 | simonrvn | i don't care about home row ;p |
| 19:53.12 | ranix | I used to be able to back in the mud days |
| 19:53.20 | ranix | now I wind up typing one letter off |
| 19:53.28 | edugonch | Hello, I have Debian Lenny and I try to install a WebCam (Logitech QuickCam e2500) I follow some manual that I found in the internet but I can't get the /dev/video* file to create, what can I do? |
| 19:53.43 | ranix | !webcam |
| 19:53.43 | dpkg | webcam is, like, a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm, or mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0 See also <quickcam>, <gspca>, <uvcvideo>, <ov511>. http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
| 19:53.59 | ranix | webcams use the same interface as TV capture cards |
| 19:54.09 | ranix | so what's good for the goose is good for the gander |
| 19:54.34 | optical | Hello all, I was trying to apt-get a few packages and somehow something is severely wrong now.. even the most simplest of packages I try to install is trying to add/remove all kinds of crazy system utilities, and I keep getting a warning every single time. Can someone see this: http://pastebin.com/d43e6d674 |
| 19:54.38 | edugonch | thanks, I'll try |
| 19:54.49 | batcoder-7 | i guess geany is not that bad |
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| 19:55.16 | ranix | optical: can you pastebin me your sources.list |
| 19:56.50 | myeggo | hi |
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| 19:58.24 | optical | ranix: sure |
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| 19:58.57 | optical | eek |
| 19:59.00 | optical | its just these 2 entries: |
| 19:59.02 | optical | deb http://debrepo.mirror.vpslink.com/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 19:59.02 | optical | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:59.11 | optical | im running debian on a VPS |
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| 19:59.32 | optical | I guess they gave me a custom sources.list |
| 19:59.34 | abrotman | optical: you're now pointing at lenny |
| 19:59.48 | ranix | optical: dist-upgrade |
| 20:00.11 | optical | ranix: I run that command? |
| 20:00.30 | ranix | optical: well, you probably need to do an apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade to the new version of Debian |
| 20:00.46 | ranix | optical: your sources.list is pointing to 5.0 instead of 4.0 now |
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| 20:00.52 | ranix | optical: so it's time |
| 20:01.13 | abrotman | !tell optical about etch->lenny |
| 20:01.17 | abrotman | !tell optical about lenny release notes |
| 20:01.20 | ranix | optical: you can verify this is necessary by doing a cat /etc/issue |
| 20:01.38 | ranix | or /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:03.35 | rmacd | Hi all, having problems at the moment which are rather annoying - I've recently upgraded to lenny from etch - and Apache2 has been segfaulting |
| 20:03.43 | optical | let me check all this out, thanks ranix |
| 20:03.46 | optical | and abrotman |
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| 20:05.38 | cousin_luigi | hello |
| 20:05.48 | rmacd | Having had a good look at all of the stuff I can find on google - and there's practically nothing of use. The problem is: "kernel: [434768.681740] apache2[5358]: segfault at 4 ip b7269bd1 sp bff43020 error 4 in libphp5.so[b6f3b000+4fc000]" - i've tried disabling, re-enabling, and disabling php5 over and over - nothing happens |
| 20:06.08 | rmacd | and as a result, the server just shits itself. |
| 20:06.20 | Adam_Lj | I'm on a VPS with very tight memory. I tried to remove vim which kind of messed everything up. Now apt-get wants it back. Is there a way to ignore vim? I get an error like 'Use of uninitialized value in scalar chomp at'. Thanks |
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| 20:06.37 | ranix | rmacd: purge libapache2-mod-php5 and reinstall |
| 20:06.45 | rmacd | Yup! done that too. |
| 20:06.49 | ranix | damn |
| 20:06.51 | ranix | that's wild |
| 20:07.05 | rmacd | in fact, I purged apache2 as well - just the whole lot - I got so sick of it. |
| 20:07.15 | ranix | did you actually --purge, wasting your config files? |
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| 20:07.41 | rmacd | ah - yes - but I kept the config of course :) backups and that |
| 20:07.49 | ranix | maybe it's time for a memtest86 |
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| 20:07.56 | rmacd | hm |
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| 20:08.07 | rmacd | unfortunately that's going to require a reboot |
| 20:08.33 | rmacd | and even more unfortunately it's a dedicated box, so it's locked up some datacentre other side of the world. |
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| 20:09.29 | ranix | although, I have tested my machine with memtest86 before ãnd gotten errors whõn I run my computer all the t0me without any problems ç |
| 20:10.11 | rmacd | yep. so - stuck well and fast. |
| 20:10.24 | Adam_Lj | Is there a way to reinstall debian, dist-upgrade complains on memory problems |
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| 20:10.34 | rmacd | all the while wondering why the fuck I bothered doing an upgrade when everything was fine |
| 20:10.39 | ranix | so I thînk it lies sometåmes |
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| 20:10.56 | kantxx | hey all. is prelinking a good idea for netbooks? |
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| 20:11.07 | shafu | Any tool like adsl-setup on debian etch? |
| 20:11.14 | rmacd | Adam_Lj : You mean to ask if I had memory problems *during* the upgrade? |
| 20:11.33 | Adam_Lj | nah these are my own problems :p |
| 20:11.47 | rmacd | :D |
| 20:11.49 | simonrvn | shafu: pppoeconf; i suggest upgrading to lenny, too. |
| 20:12.03 | Adam_Lj | I messed apt-get up and now I cant install remove anything it complains of memory shortage |
| 20:12.52 | ranix | Adam_Lj: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 20:13.04 | ranix | what's your memtotal |
| 20:13.10 | shafu | simonrvn: thx..first to put internet on a adsl line.. then upgrade |
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| 20:13.41 | Adam_Lj | ranix: 37304kb |
| 20:13.52 | simonrvn | it should be there already, a cd install pulls it in after the aptitude first run (AFAICR) |
| 20:13.59 | nsadmin | shafu you sure it does pppoe? |
| 20:14.06 | ranix | Adam_Lj: you have 36 megs of ram? |
| 20:14.11 | simonrvn | pppoeconf does them all |
| 20:14.29 | shafu | nsadmin: who? |
| 20:14.29 | Adam_Lj | ranix: it's a shitty VPS |
| 20:14.55 | ranix | Adam_Lj: what kind of swap do you have |
| 20:15.04 | rmacd | ranix : having restored part of the original conf file, to overwrite the lenny default, the problem is no more. :) thanks anyway |
| 20:15.06 | ranix | maybe you actually DON'T have enough ram |
| 20:15.17 | ranix | rmacd: glad it wasn't hardware |
| 20:15.18 | rmacd | ranix : if you're interested i'll let you get at the diff |
| 20:15.27 | ranix | nah I hate apache |
| 20:15.31 | abrotman | Adam_Lj: what's the actual error ? |
| 20:15.33 | ranix | (.conf) |
| 20:15.34 | rmacd | ranix : i'm not going to say too soon. |
| 20:15.35 | Adam_Lj | ranix: so I don't have enough ram to repair it? |
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| 20:15.58 | rmacd | ranix: in any case, it might still be hardware - but that's the provider's issue - not mine :) |
| 20:16.03 | Adam_Lj | abrotman: 'fork failed: Cannot allocate memory' and 'Use of uninitialized value in scalar chomp at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 17.' |
| 20:16.08 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 20:16.21 | abrotman | Adam_Lj: and you don't hve much swap ? |
| 20:16.28 | Adam_Lj | don't think so |
| 20:16.39 | Adam_Lj | but I managed to install apache and stuff, then I got greedy and wanted more disk space and tried removing vim :> |
| 20:16.43 | simonrvn | swapon -s |
| 20:16.49 | Adam_Lj | that messed it all up, and gave me these errors |
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| 20:17.05 | Adam_Lj | simonrvn: swapon: /proc/swaps: No such file or directory |
| 20:17.24 | simonrvn | /proc not mounted o_O ? |
| 20:17.29 | ranix | ls /proc/ |
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| 20:17.43 | Adam_Lj | it's mounted |
| 20:17.53 | ranix | Adam_Lj: looks like you got no swap buddy |
| 20:17.55 | abrotman | maybe he has no swap |
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| 20:17.59 | abrotman | 'free' ? |
| 20:18.14 | Adam_Lj | true I got no swap |
| 20:18.16 | Adam_Lj | shitty VPS |
| 20:18.22 | abrotman | make a swap file |
| 20:18.25 | simonrvn | yeh no swap of any sort |
| 20:18.26 | ranix | cat /proc/meminfo | grep SwapTotal |
| 20:18.30 | [cipher] | about getting debian dvd's iso |
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| 20:18.51 | Adam_Lj | abrotman: I only got a couple of mb of disk space |
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| 20:18.55 | [cipher] | is it enough to download only the first iso? |
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| 20:19.02 | abrotman | Adam_Lj: really ? |
| 20:19.03 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:19.05 | ranix | yeah anything will freak under those constraints |
| 20:19.07 | abrotman | [cipher]: you culd just get the netinst |
| 20:19.08 | simonrvn | [cipher]: ^^^ |
| 20:19.13 | abrotman | Adam_Lj: df -h .. says what ? |
| 20:19.24 | simonrvn | ok, gtg |
| 20:19.25 | Adam_Lj | abrotman: 7.5M avail |
| 20:19.30 | ranix | Adam_Lj: did you pay money for this vps |
| 20:19.32 | abrotman | you only have one partition ? |
| 20:19.33 | [cipher] | simonrvn, go go go :P |
| 20:19.34 | Adam_Lj | but I was able to install stuff, then something happend |
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| 20:19.52 | abrotman | Adam_Lj: can you paste `df -h` in a pastebin ? |
| 20:19.53 | ranix | Adam_Lj: did you pay in rubles, or maybe those chocolate coins with the tinfoil wrappers? |
| 20:19.56 | [cipher] | abrotman, what about the netinst? |
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| 20:20.10 | Adam_Lj | I paid with pesetos |
| 20:20.12 | abrotman | [cipher]: unless you plan on doing offline installs or many, the netinst is probably better |
| 20:20.27 | Adam_Lj | stop mocking my shitty vps :p |
| 20:20.32 | ranix | lol |
| 20:20.46 | [cipher] | abrotman, but i need to use the cd or dvd to boot from it, right |
| 20:20.47 | [cipher] | ? |
| 20:20.49 | simonrvn | !mock Adam_Lj's vps |
| 20:20.49 | dpkg | mocks Adam_Lj's vps with rice and onions |
| 20:21.02 | abrotman | [cipher]: right .. the netinst |
| 20:21.05 | shafu | simonrvn: it worked with pppoeconf..is a aptitude dist-upgrade enought to upgrade from etch to lenny? |
| 20:21.08 | gpm | if i have 4gb ram, does the half rule apply? should i have 2gb of swap? |
| 20:21.15 | [cipher] | abrotman, i got it |
| 20:21.17 | Adam_Lj | here's my df -h http://pastebin.com/m5e5a26cb |
| 20:21.32 | et | gpm: that depends on what you do with your machine ;) |
| 20:21.38 | frostschutz | gpm: theres no rule for swap... use as much or little as you want or need |
| 20:21.38 | [cipher] | btw abrotman is there any small howto for debian |
| 20:21.42 | abrotman | Adam_Lj: icky .. try doing an `apt-get clean;sync` .. see if that frees up |
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| 20:21.46 | [cipher] | abrotman, like slackware |
| 20:21.47 | abrotman | !tell [cipher] about grounding |
| 20:21.50 | simonrvn | shafu: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 20:21.54 | [cipher] | yep |
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| 20:22.18 | frostschutz | gpm: I have 8GB swap that is rarely ever used because I also have 8GB RAM ;) |
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| 20:22.38 | et | gpm: if you want to suspend to the swap partition, it should be bigger than your ram |
| 20:22.41 | Adam_Lj | abrotman: apt-get still tries installing vim-common and that gives me 'Out of memory!' |
| 20:22.42 | gpm | frostschutz: whoa. do you have to have amd64 to utilize all that ram? |
| 20:22.50 | abrotman | Adam_Lj: doing an apt-get clean ? |
| 20:23.00 | frostschutz | gpm: sure... |
| 20:23.05 | gpm | et: eh, i don't do that. i think i'll just have 1.5 or so. i'm not hard on my computer |
| 20:23.08 | Adam_Lj | abrotman: sorry but tried that |
| 20:23.26 | gpm | frostschutz: yeah, in 32bit you can't utilize more than 4gb or ram, right? |
| 20:23.29 | Adam_Lj | I don't understand why it keeps trying to repair/install vim.. |
| 20:23.35 | abrotman | Adam_Lj: is there anything in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 20:23.50 | Adam_Lj | abrotman: I did an rm -R on that :p |
| 20:24.00 | stew | gpm: the 32 bit 'bigmem' kernels will handle up to 64 gigs |
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| 20:24.08 | frostschutz | gpm: you can utilize more, but it comes with some overhead (moving ram window around) and you can't use more than 4gb in a single process |
| 20:24.30 | izua | I've been toying with Konosole for a bit, and now every time I start it, it starts up as "Root Shell" and not the regular one. |
| 20:24.38 | izua | How can I change it to start as a regular Shell? |
| 20:24.43 | ranix | anything that uses 4gb of ram should be using some funky memory management voodoo anyway |
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| 20:25.21 | gpm | stew: crazy. |
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| 20:25.41 | Adam_Lj | maybe I have to wait til tomorrow and fix the VPS.. but I really wanted to do it tonight hehe |
| 20:26.03 | pertain | could raising the cache-limit int apt.conf to say 16777216 help? |
| 20:26.04 | [cipher] | abrotman, ? |
| 20:26.11 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:26.11 | pertain | *in |
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| 20:26.32 | abrotman | pertain: he has no swap .. it's not apt's issue as much as he's exhausting all his memory |
| 20:26.39 | [cipher] | about the grounding small book in debian, is there one like slackware? |
| 20:26.49 | pertain | abrotman: I missed that, thanks |
| 20:26.49 | abrotman | [cipher]: the bot told you about |
| 20:26.52 | abrotman | [cipher]: the bot told you about 'grounding' |
| 20:26.55 | [cipher] | abrotman, small book to burn a few hours on it |
| 20:26.59 | Adam_Lj | abrotman: but why must apt-get fix vim all the time.. |
| 20:27.06 | akaradag | hi people, i am researching entropy_avail , does anyone know it? |
| 20:27.13 | abrotman | Adam_Lj: because it thinks you still want to install it |
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| 20:27.29 | Adam_Lj | abrotman: why doesn't apt-get read minds yet.. |
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| 20:27.43 | [cipher] | abrotman, got it |
| 20:28.01 | pertain | Adam_Lj: that's a feature of aptitude |
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| 20:28.46 | Adam_Lj | I heard aptitude requires more than 37mb of ram.. :p |
| 20:29.39 | Adam_Lj | oh well I guess I have to increase the ram/disk on the vps. I was planning to buy 50 something of these |
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| 20:30.06 | pertain | Adam_Lj: well, no mind-reading for you then :) |
| 20:30.09 | izua | nobody? |
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| 20:30.28 | izua | coem on, it's annoying to start every konsole/tab as root (and get asked for a password every time) |
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| 20:30.55 | |Jason8| | Adam_Lj: what kind of VPS is it? |
| 20:31.15 | Adam_Lj | cheap shit vps? |
| 20:31.15 | nsadmin | izua: here's a thought... don't log in as root so much! |
| 20:31.15 | |Jason8| | I have two. |
| 20:31.15 | |Jason8| | :P |
| 20:31.17 | |Jason8| | Both running debian |
| 20:31.17 | Adam_Lj | hehe |
| 20:31.23 | |Jason8| | But is it Xen or OpenVZ? |
| 20:31.23 | izua | i'm not logged in as root. |
| 20:31.31 | Adam_Lj | Jason8: no idea |
| 20:31.45 | |Jason8| | Does it have a control panel? |
| 20:31.49 | |Jason8| | actually |
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| 20:31.58 | izua | i start a session with my user, and every time I start konsole, it starts as a Root Shell (instead of a regular one) |
| 20:32.02 | |Jason8| | how much ram do you have? |
| 20:32.23 | frostschutz | Adam_Lj: it may even need more than 128M for locale updates. for some reason they eat lots of memory. so your vserver should have swap to balance spikes in memory usage. apart from the update I had no issues with debian on a 64MB xen vserv |
| 20:32.25 | Adam_Lj | I really have 37mb of ram, and no control panel |
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| 20:32.33 | izua | i've done Settings->Save as Default several times on regular Shells |
| 20:32.35 | |Jason8| | lol. |
| 20:32.46 | izua | and it still starts up every freaking time as Root Shell. it's annoying -_o |
| 20:33.02 | enouf | izua: it's likely config files somewhere in ~/.kde/share/apps/konsole or /share/config/konsolerc - ask #debian-kde maybe |
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| 20:33.13 | |Jason8| | Adam_Lj: shut down everything you're running and then try. |
| 20:33.13 | Adam_Lj | frostschutz: thanks I'll tell that to the guy who sold me it, saying it would work |
| 20:33.21 | frostschutz | Adam_Lj: my router has 32MB of ram ;) I wouldn't use that on a vserver, unless you really dont plan to run anything on that machine |
| 20:33.40 | Adam_Lj | well i wasn't planning to run the next google |
| 20:33.44 | |Jason8| | lol |
| 20:34.00 | moayad | Is lenny-backports repo is unstable ??? |
| 20:34.01 | frostschutz | Adam_Lj: 64MB is already tight, 128MB is required for minimum comfort. for me anyhow. ;) |
| 20:34.19 | |Jason8| | I run an IRC bouncer, a pair of eggdrops, and a webserver and it runs at ~37mb RAM |
| 20:34.33 | dennis_p | stella, the atari 2600 emulator is also not installable from sid! mhm, i guess it has no package manager last 2 years while the stella project is still alive and well |
| 20:34.46 | Adam_Lj | some smart ass said we only need 64kb of ram so I really don't see the problem :p |
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| 20:36.13 | enouf | izua: a cheap-assed hack is to alter the execute line (under Settings / Sessions) from "su -" to "bash" :-P |
| 20:36.24 | moayad | Is lenny-backports repo is unstable ??? |
| 20:36.52 | abrotman | huh? |
| 20:37.10 | dennis_p | http://stella.sourceforge.net/ anyone want to become package manager? just do like it was on old-stable :-) |
| 20:37.23 | enouf | but then you have no root console - you can easily just type in 'su -' at anytime you want root in any console though (it just won't have the root console "theme") :-) |
| 20:37.48 | izua | I'm sorry.. but there is no "Sessions" menu in my "Settings" menu (except from "save sessions profile") |
| 20:38.38 | enouf | izua: Settings / Configure Konsole / Sessions tab |
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| 20:40.19 | dennis_p | The entire game archive for stella atari 2600 is just 2 MB http://www.atarimania.com/roms-MENU-2.html |
| 20:40.21 | enouf | izua: i've also run into annoying issues with konsole like you have, once i played with all the clickety click shit and got it back to normal, i never messed with it again :-) Maybe you want to use Save Profile - create a name for it - then set that as Default Session - but if you |
| 20:40.48 | enouf | 've never seen the Dialog i just mentioned, perhaps you can fix it there |
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| 20:41.13 | JW | I got a question about large memory support: I have a server with 6GB of ram. I've got the bigmem kernel installed. I read some stuff the other day that indicated that maybe, since it's 32-bit, that I'm nothing in the OS is able to use more than 4GB of mem anyway - I'd have to move to 64-bit |
| 20:41.17 | JW | Can anyone clarify that for me? |
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| 20:41.47 | Eulex | JW, a single process can't use more than 4gb. |
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| 20:41.55 | enouf | JW: the 4G is per process limit |
| 20:42.15 | enouf | but you likely have a 3/1GB split so 3G in reality ;-) |
| 20:43.26 | JW | This is going to be an NFS server. |
| 20:43.26 | JW | using the kernel-nfs |
| 20:43.26 | JW | I don't know if NFS connections get threaded or not - anyone? |
| 20:43.26 | enouf | i'd go 64bit if i had 6G RAM |
| 20:43.26 | JW | I'm assuming proccess=thread maybe that's not true |
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| 20:43.26 | JW | enouf: yes I wish I had thought of all this earlier but I don't have time to siwtch now to 64 bit without causing a huge problem. |
| 20:43.47 | JW | can you "upgrade" with apt to 64-bit (no reinstall, no reformatting)? |
| 20:43.57 | enouf | no |
| 20:44.10 | JW | didn't think so. Oh well. Better luck next time. |
| 20:44.23 | Adam_Lj | oh well, thanks for the help everyone! |
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| 20:45.11 | enouf | heh - you could test 64bit using a debootstrapped install, or just install on another HDD or box and transfer over data |
| 20:45.23 | Eulex | JW, no, 4gb address space per process -- threads share the same address space. |
| 20:45.57 | Eulex | JW, anyway, would a file server need a lot of RAM other than for caching of disk contents? |
| 20:47.05 | JW | Eulex: to be honest I'm not sure. I'm sharing VM images, not small files |
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| 20:47.14 | JW | none of which will fit in memory anyway |
| 20:47.17 | JW | :-) |
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| 20:49.10 | Eulex | JW, in any case, cached disk contents would be taken care of by the kernel... and the kernel would probably be able to use your full RAM as cache. |
| 20:49.11 | shafu | Any fix for this: W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 4D270D06F42584E6? |
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| 20:49.24 | Eulex | shafu, which repo? |
| 20:49.36 | shafu | i`m doing an upgrade from etch to lenny.. |
| 20:49.55 | JW | oh good |
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| 20:50.10 | Eulex | JW, I'm not sure tho, better test it |
| 20:50.28 | enouf | JW: Eulex is referring to the +/- buffers/cache line you see when you run 'free' |
| 20:50.45 | Qew | shafu: just continue. It's just saying that that the new key you haven't got, so is warning you. Once you install Lenny, that message will go. As long as you have the relevant key found in Etch, then you'll be fine. |
| 20:50.56 | shafu | i did..aptitude update/aptitude dist-upgrade ..modified sources.list with lenny instead of etch/stable..and now i get that message when doing aptitude update |
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| 20:51.10 | Eulex | shafu, is debian-keyring installed? |
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| 20:51.41 | shafu | Eulex: dont think so |
| 20:51.49 | Qew | ah, then better install it |
| 20:51.50 | Eulex | shafu, install it |
| 20:51.52 | shafu | how do i check? |
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| 20:52.02 | Eulex | apt-cache policy debian-keyring |
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| 20:53.24 | enouf | !etch->lenny key |
| 20:53.28 | shafu | Eulex: installed..what next? |
| 20:53.33 | enouf | er |
| 20:53.34 | Qew | shafu: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/errata |
| 20:53.39 | Eulex | shafu, it should 'just work' |
| 20:53.51 | enouf | dpkg: etch->lenny key |
| 20:53.51 | dpkg | During <etch->lenny>, apt may warn 'W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 4D270D06F42584E6'. Lenny's Release file is signed by two keys, only one of which you have. The chain of trust has not been broken and you can proceed with the upgrade. This is a different message to if you had untrusted sources. Once the lenny version of "debian-archive-keyring" is installed, the message goes. See <secure apt>. |
| 20:53.53 | abrotman | debian-archive-keyring ? |
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| 20:54.29 | Eulex | ah right |
| 20:54.30 | Eulex | sorry |
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| 20:54.51 | Eulex | shafu, I meant debian-archive-keyring, not debian-keyring |
| 20:54.51 | enouf | i remember dak from the ham company :-P |
| 20:54.55 | Eulex | abrotman, thanks |
| 20:55.12 | enouf | dane-a-dak ..in a can man |
| 20:55.37 | shafu | it should work..and it worked.. thx |
| 20:55.37 | shafu | it should work..and it worked.. thx/wind 9 |
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| 20:58.04 | enouf | can someone please rewrite the entire lkml.org site? i can't take it anymore ... gah .. |
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| 20:58.15 | abrotman | you seem to have free time :) |
| 20:58.20 | willmore | Hello, all. |
| 20:58.29 | enouf | but i take frequent naps! |
| 20:58.34 | willmore | I have a debian question. :) |
| 20:58.37 | dustybin | why the hell does debian leave 'NameVirtualHost *:80' in the ports.conf ??? |
| 20:58.49 | dustybin | it took me ages to figure out why i was getting warning |
| 20:58.50 | dustybin | s |
| 20:58.57 | willmore | I'm curious how I can find out what directives the configure script for a library was built with. |
| 20:59.15 | gumbox | i get this trying to install gcc-doc: The following packages have unmet dependencies ... gcc-doc: Depends: gcc-4.3-doc (>= 4.3.0.nf1-1) but it is not installable ... E: Broken Packages ... |
| 20:59.16 | willmore | The library in question is libmad0 |
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| 20:59.32 | enouf | abrotman: it's the ONLY site i've ever come across that spit this back (i'm using links2 -g) -> "I see you're using Internet Explorer. You may want to try Firefox, I think you'll like it better." |
| 20:59.39 | enouf | not even funny man .. |
| 20:59.58 | abrotman | maybe it just looks for the absence of Gecko |
| 21:00.12 | enouf | but it's even worse fail in Midori and KonqOut |
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| 21:00.35 | enouf | trying to read posts _in_order_ is impossible |
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| 21:01.02 | enouf | it keeps jumping around ; representing the list of posters as different - tearing off into other threads ... GAH!!! |
| 21:01.34 | adb | gumbox: gcc-4.3-doc is in non-free repo |
| 21:01.44 | gumbox | why? |
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| 21:02.36 | unimauro | hi all |
| 21:02.39 | adb | non GPL ? |
| 21:02.41 | enouf | Well - if the site is written to work well with Firepoop - doesn't it atleast adhere to standards (that supposedly atleast those other 2 bloated beasts i mentioned adhere to the same? |
| 21:02.52 | abrotman | !gfdl |
| 21:02.52 | dpkg | [gfdl] probably the GNU "free" documentation license, see discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html. See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 21:02.55 | unimauro | Are there some debian channel for gsoc ? |
| 21:03.11 | abrotman | unimauro: #debian-soc on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:03.16 | enouf | !gcc-doc |
| 21:03.17 | dpkg | the man pages for gcc are in the package gcc-doc which is in non-free. It's in non-free because it is released under the GFDL with invariant sections so the package does not meet the DFSG. Ask me about <non-free> <gfdl> and <dfsg>. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then get manpages-dev. |
| 21:05.27 | gumbox | that's kind of weird |
| 21:05.41 | gumbox | thanks |
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| 21:05.49 | dennis_p | stella atari 2600 game emulator has been unmaintained since 2006 can anyone update its status so as we might get a working package once more? |
| 21:05.49 | adb | yw |
| 21:05.51 | dennis_p | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461121 |
| 21:06.34 | abrotman | dennis_p: you could possibly do an NMU if you could find a sponsor |
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| 21:07.54 | enouf | what's so friggin hard about representing mail as an ASCII tree and showing threads ! .. bah! |
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| 21:08.30 | enouf | falls back to gmane.org and it's archives .. |
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| 21:09.36 | enouf | thinks some windows weenie doesn't want linux to spread, so has infiltrated lkml.org to sabotage dissemination of FOSS and information - even Linus himself can't stand it |
| 21:09.58 | subsume | What hardware could cause segfault errors while attempting to install from CD? |
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| 21:10.09 | bolt | is there a quick way to uninstall everything but the base system from a debian box? |
| 21:10.17 | enouf | bad burn - bad RAM |
| 21:10.25 | subsume | bad RAM. hmm. |
| 21:10.34 | subsume | A fine thought. I will remove it and retry. |
| 21:10.47 | JW | If I upgrade an To 64-bit Debian later with a fresh install of the OS partitions - do I need to reformat the extra data partitions just for safety? Or will the 64-bit kernel deal with drives formatted by 32-bit kernels just fine? |
| 21:10.47 | azeem | bolt: deinstall everything of priority optional and extra |
| 21:10.51 | azeem | and maybe standard |
| 21:10.52 | enouf | bolt: how base is base? you have to specify priority |
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| 21:11.18 | apostle | Is there linux support for SMY Signal Generator from R&S? |
| 21:11.22 | bolt | enouf: base as in the minimal netinstall with no additional options selected. |
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| 21:11.37 | enouf | bolt: important and required woul be the most minimal you could get - without standard though, your missing many useful often used items |
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| 21:12.09 | enouf | ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | sort -n | less <--use that to look at the packages bolt |
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| 21:12.52 | bolt | enouf: i'm trying to figure out a way of cloning one install to another machine consistently. every method i've found consists only of running various dpkg and aptitude-variations of dpkg --get/set-selections, but that completely fails to uninstall a package once I remove it from the "master" system |
| 21:12.54 | enouf | you could then trim that to generate your least you feed into apt-get {--purge} remove or aptitude |
| 21:13.18 | bolt | enouf: thus I thought I'd mark everything unnecessary for uninstall before I run the --set-selections part |
| 21:13.18 | enouf | well .. |
| 21:14.11 | bolt | enouf: thanks! i'll try with that and see what I can do :) |
| 21:14.17 | subsume | Cannot initialize debconf template database on install? |
| 21:14.22 | subsume | bad RAM? |
| 21:15.33 | enouf | grep-status -FStatus -sPackage,Version -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort -n | less <-is another way to list installed pkgs with their versions as well |
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| 21:15.52 | enouf | bolt: install dctrl-tools and grep-dctrl pkgs to use those commands |
| 21:16.31 | bolt | cool! |
| 21:17.18 | subsume | hmm. switched the ram between 3 sticks. |
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| 21:19.02 | enouf | bolt: ~$ sudo apt-get -s remove $(grep-status -FStatus -sPackage -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort -n | tail -n 20 | xargs) |
| 21:19.14 | enouf | heh - fun stuff to look at / watch |
| 21:19.34 | bolt | brilliant :D |
| 21:19.37 | enouf | bolt: do NOT run that without the -s ... it's just an example! |
| 21:19.56 | bolt | enouf: no worries. taking this very carefully :) |
| 21:20.05 | stew | what on earth are you trying to do? |
| 21:20.38 | enouf | yeah, that list also doesn't sort according to "priority" bolt ,, which is what your 1st request and most important one was for |
| 21:21.02 | bolt | stew: cloning one debian install to another, including removing packages that are not installed on the "source" system, which most cloning methods don't do |
| 21:21.15 | stew | ahh |
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| 21:21.40 | bolt | stew: plan is to mark all non-critical packages for uninstall and then mark the ones from the other system for install |
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| 21:22.53 | bolt | enouf: excellent. i'll make a nice script to do this for me once I figure out exactly what's going on :) |
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| 21:23.23 | stew | bolt: perhaps mark everything as automatically installed, then do "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" |
| 21:23.54 | stew | or yeah, everything priority optional/extra |
| 21:24.10 | subsume | Could bad hardware be causing 'abnormal modprobe' and 'cannot initialize debconf template database' on install? |
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| 21:24.44 | Polarina | Bad hardware can cause everything. |
| 21:24.45 | stew | bolt: (which you could do with "aptitude markauto '~poptional' '~pextra'") |
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| 21:25.37 | bolt | stew: ah. and automatically installed packages that nothing depends on gets removed by autoremove, right? |
| 21:25.39 | claudio | hello all, i have a problem with cups and debian etch |
| 21:26.29 | stew | bolt: aptitude autoremoves even when you don't explicitly ask for it, so they'd get autoremoved when you do the aptitude clone, i'd think |
| 21:27.01 | bolt | ah. goodie |
| 21:27.25 | izua | what library does one use in C, if he wants to handle TCP/UDP sockets? |
| 21:27.43 | Polarina | izua: glibc. |
| 21:28.22 | Polarina | izua: And saying "UDP socket", is wrong. |
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| 21:29.10 | izua | just because it's connectionless? |
| 21:29.23 | Polarina | izua: ... |
| 21:29.43 | izua | no, i'm asking |
| 21:29.47 | Polarina | izua: TCP socket, UDP diagram. |
| 21:29.53 | Polarina | izua: Yes, pretty much it. |
| 21:29.58 | izua | ethernet messages are called raw sockets, so why not? |
| 21:30.15 | izua | i thought the term was datagram. anyway, nvm this |
| 21:30.17 | Polarina | izua: Because you maintain a state. |
| 21:30.25 | Polarina | izua: Datagram, sorry. :) |
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| 21:31.00 | izua | wait, doesn't the GNU C library is the one that gives the BSD sockets? |
| 21:31.06 | Tramp | Polarina: ??? what is a PF_INET/SOCK_DGRAM socket for you? |
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| 21:31.20 | Polarina | Tramp: What do you mean? |
| 21:31.41 | azeem | please take this discussion elsewhere |
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| 21:34.06 | izua | isn't there a library already, that abstractises this to a higher concept? like a socket object, for instance |
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| 21:35.01 | Polarina | izua: This is the simples method. |
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| 21:36.32 | dennis_p | abrotman: thanks for NMU info, read the wiki but don't understand how to signal potential sponsors. |
| 21:36.41 | dennis_p | abrotman: I downloaded the tar.gz from the stella site itself. It has a debian folder, so i'll look into how to install manually under debian and see if I can make it run that way. |
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| 21:38.09 | ma3x | is usb external hd recommended for backups? from what i've exeperienced usb has random resets, and the hd doesn't autoremount after that until you pull it out from the power. what do you guys think? |
| 21:38.27 | Polarina | ma3x: eSATA |
| 21:39.10 | ma3x | Polarina: what about usb? can you confirm it's unstable |
| 21:39.58 | Polarina | ma3x: It's not unstable, just slow and eats up CPU time fetching data from the USB. |
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| 21:40.27 | ma3x | Polarina: but it's not good because of the random resets, right? |
| 21:40.43 | Polarina | ma3x: USB has no mention of "random resets". |
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| 21:41.38 | ma3x | so you're saying usb is realiable for unattended backups? |
| 21:41.50 | Polarina | ma3x: Yes, it is reliable, but very slow. |
| 21:42.53 | ma3x | if you have 6 files in a directory, how do you delete the 6th by oldest |
| 21:43.01 | ma3x | no matter the name |
| 21:43.29 | Polarina | ma3x: Is that for the backup process? |
| 21:44.45 | Polarina | ma3x: Name your tarballs with ISO formatted dates (2009-04-02) and delete the first after sorting the filenames alphabetically. |
| 21:44.49 | ma3x | yes, let's say i'll have files like: flie-13june.... file-15august ............ |
| 21:44.57 | ma3x | so i want to delete the last 6th file |
| 21:45.03 | ma3x | i mean the oldest |
| 21:45.10 | Polarina | ma3x: You want ISO formatted dates on backups. |
| 21:45.23 | Polarina | ma3x: Then, sorting algorithms will also sort it by date. |
| 21:45.36 | ma3x | but i dont want to sort/delete them by name |
| 21:45.40 | Eulex | wow, as you've chosen to use month names and not numbers, you'll be having some fun with doing the sorting correctly there... |
| 21:45.41 | ma3x | by creation date |
| 21:45.45 | ma3x | isn't that possible? |
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| 21:46.00 | ma3x | Eulex: it was just an example |
| 21:46.06 | Polarina | ma3x: But you want ISO formatted dates! |
| 21:46.06 | ma3x | i don't want the names to matter |
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| 21:46.27 | Polarina | ma3x: And because you then have ISO formatted dates, you can find the oldest by sorting the filenames. |
| 21:46.41 | ma3x | hold on |
| 21:47.06 | Eulex | ma3x, something like ls -l --time-style=full-iso, then use awk to extract date and filename, respectively, sort, tail -1, awk out the filename, rm |
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| 21:47.27 | Tramp | !tell ma3x about ctime |
| 21:47.32 | enouf | ma3x: use mtime/ctime/atime with find, then do something with the results - there is no "creation" date/time in unix FSs, unless ofcourse you make the filename contain a date .. lmao |
| 21:47.39 | Tramp | ma3x: and what you want to do is not trivial |
| 21:47.43 | Tramp | ma3x: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/099 -- How can I get the newest (or oldest) file from a directory? |
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| 21:47.48 | Polarina | has a cronjob to backup a live database and runs "lzma -z9" on it. |
| 21:47.54 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:48.06 | Polarina | ma3x: You don't want them in that format. |
| 21:48.23 | Supertanker | Sweet, hey guys, I think I found a bug in the Testing installer--it won't let me set up the network, or incidentally, the clock, because of the network. |
| 21:48.29 | Supertanker | is assuming he can do both later anyways |
| 21:48.30 | dennis_p | 2009-04-02 |
| 21:48.35 | Polarina | ma3x: Use this: filename-2000-02-06_00:10:14 |
| 21:49.07 | ma3x | filename-$(date +"%d-%h-%H-%M-%S") |
| 21:49.15 | ma3x | how would your format be? |
| 21:49.16 | enouf | ma3x: remember - when you have issues with sort, uniq, et al - check that LC_ALL=C is set, usually it isn't set (it's a 'locale' issue) |
| 21:49.43 | Eulex | ma3x, with some sed and stuff, you might be able to transform that into 00-02-06-00-10-14, but you better use a date format you can sort directly. |
| 21:49.44 | nsadmin | mandateandsee! |
| 21:49.45 | Polarina | ma3x: $(date --rfc-3339=date) |
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| 21:51.23 | ma3x | Polarina: that only displays date without the time |
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| 21:52.40 | Polarina | ma3x: date "+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S" |
| 21:52.59 | adama1 | ma3x: this is the oldest file in the current directory: ls -1tr|tail -1 |
| 21:53.09 | adama1 | those are ones, not Ls |
| 21:53.12 | Eulex | ma3x, -rfc-date=ns, then you get down to nanoseconds |
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| 21:53.24 | Polarina | Eulex: Who needs nanoseconds? |
| 21:53.35 | Polarina | adama1: That give me the newest file. |
| 21:53.38 | CoolCold | anyone had issue with nfs & 2.6.28 ? |
| 21:53.49 | adama1 | sorry, ls -1t|tail -1 |
| 21:53.54 | Eulex | well, you could tell it to use only down to seconds too |
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| 21:55.08 | adama1 | ma3x: echo -n 'the oldest file is ';ls -1t|tail -1 |
| 21:55.22 | Polarina | adama1: You could've just used head instead of tail. |
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| 21:55.53 | adama1 | yes: ls -1tr|head -1 |
| 21:56.00 | adama1 | same thing, possibly slightly faster |
| 21:56.09 | enouf | try using -n 1 |
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| 21:56.34 | adama1 | if you want.. |
| 21:56.53 | adama1 | bye for now! |
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| 21:57.08 | ma3x | thanks adama1 |
| 21:57.21 | ga_bash | lenny_boy is here.. cheers..:) |
| 21:57.25 | ga_bash | lenny rocks..!!!! |
| 21:57.36 | ga_bash | most stable server-os .... :) |
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| 21:59.55 | ga_bash | koi bolega re sala..?? |
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| 22:00.34 | Polarina | ga_bash: Mi ne komprenas vin. |
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| 22:01.03 | ma3x | enouf: i'd like to do this - ls and if number of files = 6, delete the oldest by doing ls -ltr|head -1 and then rm or how it goes? |
| 22:01.03 | ga_bash | Polarina, hello :) |
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| 22:01.33 | Polarina | ma3x: Why not just delete them manually? The backups can't be that big... |
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| 22:02.26 | enouf | ma3x: sounds like what logrotate does automatically ;-) |
| 22:02.53 | ma3x | well i can't just delete them manually |
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| 22:03.03 | ma3x | it's unattented backup |
| 22:03.07 | enouf | heck, it even gzips the older ones |
| 22:04.49 | ga_bash | ma3x :ls -ltr | head -1 -exec rm{} \; |
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| 22:05.13 | ma3x | let me try it |
| 22:05.44 | abrotman | might want to use a full path there |
| 22:05.44 | ma3x | head doesn't work lol |
| 22:05.46 | ma3x | only tail |
| 22:05.46 | ga_bash | ma3x: try on :) |
| 22:05.57 | ga_bash | ma3x: wait. |
| 22:06.04 | ma3x | abrotman: with rm? |
| 22:06.19 | abrotman | with the ls |
| 22:06.58 | ma3x | ok |
| 22:07.24 | ma3x | ga_bash: that part -exec rm {} is not alright |
| 22:07.49 | abrotman | | xargs rm |
| 22:08.02 | ga_bash | ma3x: yeah. i am trying to figure.. :) |
| 22:08.11 | avu | also, don't use ls like that |
| 22:08.25 | avu | it will break on funny filenames at least, just use find |
| 22:09.19 | Kazuha | I'm sure this isn't the right channel, but I don't know the right one off the top of my head, so.... What does everyone recommend for forum software, and does anyone know a good free (as in beer) host for same? |
| 22:09.34 | ma3x | so ls -ltr /directory | tail -1 | xargs rm ?? |
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| 22:11.03 | enouf | ma3x: tail -n 1 |
| 22:11.19 | avu | tail -1 works just fine |
| 22:11.24 | avu | but, again, don't use ls like that |
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| 22:11.39 | dustybin | is it a silly idea re-partitioning a xen vm? |
| 22:11.41 | enouf | yep, and it'll break though in many other places |
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| 22:11.52 | ga_bash | ma3x, use find |
| 22:12.02 | enouf | so go ahead, and be happy when it breaks |
| 22:12.05 | ma3x | find / -name * ? |
| 22:12.46 | enouf | ma3x: you wanted oldest created file, and the only way you accomplished that was to put the actual date/time into the filename - so ... |
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| 22:13.10 | dennis_p | ./configure "Checking for zlib" what should i install on lenny? There is lots of stuff called zlib |
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| 22:13.33 | ma3x | but the part before, how do you do 'if ls /directory | wc -l == 6 && ? |
| 22:13.38 | ma3x | how can you do something like that? |
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| 22:14.21 | enouf | you should be in #bash (if that's the shell you're using) |
| 22:14.24 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.26 | ma3x | okay |
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| 22:14.46 | ga_bash | its okay.. debian also uses bash. |
| 22:15.06 | enouf | yes, it is - however - i sense convolution :-P |
| 22:15.17 | ga_bash | ma3x, have patienve |
| 22:15.21 | ga_bash | patience |
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| 22:17.55 | ma3x | what do you suggest for windows/linux filesystem? ntfs or fat32? |
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| 22:18.11 | ma3x | i mean to be accessibly by both linux/windows |
| 22:18.31 | pl4yer0ne | ma3x, ntfs |
| 22:18.48 | Tramp | ma3x: I gave you the link about how to do it correctly an hour ago. |
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| 22:19.06 | enouf | just because there's no File Size limitation |
| 22:19.38 | enouf | well .. atleast it's not an issue, cause it's not 4G on ntfs |
| 22:20.00 | ma3x | but the ntfs partition should be mounted normally or with additional options? |
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| 22:20.22 | gumbox | you have to use the ntfs-3g package |
| 22:20.31 | enouf | man mount ;-) there's many ways to mount all various FStypes |
| 22:20.34 | octoserver | 746 packages to upgrade lol |
| 22:20.34 | ma3x | Tramp: thanks, im trying to figure out how to rm the outputted file |
| 22:21.45 | ga_bash | ma3x, in your last query.. is it necessary to have 6 files in a directory |
| 22:21.57 | Tramp | ma3x: I stell see you piping the output of ls around, which is always the wrong way to do it |
| 22:22.38 | ga_bash | ma3x, you can always remove the older files that has not been modified for some n hours |
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| 22:22.50 | ma3x | ga_bash: well i want to make cron to check every night, so when there are 6 files, to rm the 6th oldest |
| 22:23.09 | ga_bash | using the `find -mtime n -exec rm {} \'` |
| 22:24.05 | ma3x | how do you ls across smb? |
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| 22:24.25 | ma3x | i alwayse used konq, heh never knew how to do it in the console |
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| 22:24.37 | ma3x | do you have to mount it first? |
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| 22:25.01 | demmon | till when does debian has support |
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| 22:26.35 | azeem | demmon: stable versions are supported for one year after their successor gets released |
| 22:27.21 | demmon | so debian 4 is what 2007? so deosnt have support anymore?? |
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| 22:28.39 | Cyber_Eyes | hi people |
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| 22:29.22 | cafuego | demmon: Yes, it's still supported. |
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| 22:30.26 | cafuego | demmon: An updated version of etch was released in Febuary 2009, no less. |
| 22:30.48 | demmon | kewl |
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| 22:31.22 | cafuego | it's currently listed as "oldstable" but not yet as "obsolete". That will happen eventually, but I can't give you a date for that |
| 22:32.10 | azeem | probably early next year |
| 22:35.01 | ga_bash | ma3x : #!/bin/bash |
| 22:35.01 | ga_bash | $no=ls -l|wc -l |
| 22:35.01 | ga_bash | if [ $no-eq 6 ] |
| 22:35.01 | ga_bash | then |
| 22:35.01 | ga_bash | $file=ls -lrt|head -1 |
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| 22:36.01 | muddd | ls |
| 22:36.02 | muddd | oops |
| 22:36.19 | ga_bash | ma3x, check that. |
| 22:36.26 | cafuego | May I impress upon you the usefulness of proepr quoting, ga_bash |
| 22:36.53 | ga_bash | cafuego, dint get you point |
| 22:37.02 | ma3x | ga_bash: hold on buddy |
| 22:37.03 | cafuego | Coz that code will try to execute '-l' and fail. |
| 22:37.37 | ga_bash | cafuego, yeah there's one error.. that i m not sure bout |
| 22:37.44 | ga_bash | regarding the pipe |
| 22:37.55 | cafuego | $no="ls -l | wc -l" |
| 22:38.02 | ga_bash | cafuego, this is one thing i hate about scripting |
| 22:38.06 | cafuego | Actually, no that's wrong (need coffee) |
| 22:38.09 | cafuego | no="ls -l | wc -l" |
| 22:38.25 | ga_bash | cafuego, will that work? double quotes. |
| 22:38.30 | cafuego | Yes |
| 22:38.33 | cafuego | No |
| 22:38.39 | cafuego | still neee coffee ;-) |
| 22:38.46 | cafuego | no="$(ls -l | wc -l)" |
| 22:38.49 | cafuego | that'll do it. |
| 22:38.59 | cafuego | if you need an int, you could do |
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| 22:39.08 | cafuego | typeset -i no="$(ls -l | wc -l)" |
| 22:39.21 | enouf | ga_bash: just to note also; your <ga_bash> using the `find -mtime n -exec rm {} \` <--is missing the final ';' which could be one of 3 things, a literal single quoted ';' or '\;' or even a '+' |
| 22:39.42 | ga_bash | it would be ; |
| 22:39.50 | ga_bash | i mean \; |
| 22:40.02 | cafuego | + is less typing ;-) |
| 22:40.08 | ga_bash | enouf, i have put it up.. plz see. |
| 22:40.10 | enouf | and you might want to throw ' ' around those braces |
| 22:40.17 | Tramp | you don't need -exec rm {} \; with GNU find. There is -delete |
| 22:40.25 | ga_bash | enouf, yeh. right.. |
| 22:40.50 | ga_bash | i have just whipped up a quick one.. want you guys to improve it.. nd rid of errors :) |
| 22:40.53 | Tramp | this advice is as bogus as this never ending -print0 | xargs -0 nonsense |
| 22:41.21 | enouf | ever have it fail? i don't call that bogus |
| 22:41.33 | Tramp | it's unnecessary with + |
| 22:41.45 | cafuego | it's more portable, so less bogus ;-) |
| 22:41.46 | enouf | and i mean fail 1000 different ways till sunday |
| 22:41.57 | ga_bash | i have not been trying to remove the file |
| 22:41.57 | Tramp | cafuego: + is Posix |
| 22:42.05 | ga_bash | was just listing the attributes |
| 22:42.20 | ga_bash | find . -name "$file" -exec rm {} \; |
| 22:42.22 | cafuego | Tramp: Yoyu imply non-GNU fin doesn't do -delete. |
| 22:42.41 | ga_bash | cafuego, it does i think |
| 22:42.55 | Tramp | cafuego: no. I explicitely said -delete with GNU find. And this is #debian |
| 22:43.02 | ga_bash | hey guys.. try and make the script working for our friend max3 |
| 22:43.17 | ga_bash | nd stop fighting over posix rulez |
| 22:43.25 | cafuego | Tramp: And I explicitly said tghe other one is more portable. Coz people here also use other OSes, for instance. |
| 22:43.48 | Tramp | cafuego: you were not clear, if you were talking about -delete or + |
| 22:44.03 | cafuego | Tramp: Indeed, win! |
| 22:44.27 | ga_bash | if [ $no-eq 6 ] is giving error ----------- [: -eq: unary operator expected |
| 22:44.40 | cafuego | if [ $no -eq 6 ]; then |
| 22:44.43 | Tramp | but still: on #debian I feel free to advocate both. On ##linux I'm careful with -delete and still advocate + |
| 22:44.49 | cafuego | spacing, not subtraction |
| 22:45.09 | ga_bash | cafuego, i am aware of ;then |
| 22:45.21 | ga_bash | its the operator -eq thats to be concerned about |
| 22:45.48 | cafuego | ga_bash: You didn't put a space between the variable and it. |
| 22:46.04 | ga_bash | its still getting the same error after spacing |
| 22:46.19 | ga_bash | line 3: [: -eq: unary operator expected |
| 22:46.20 | cafuego | Then $no is not set. |
| 22:46.27 | Tramp | ga_bash: put the var in second position or quote it |
| 22:46.42 | cafuego | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.59 | cafuego | then it'll be a 0 at least |
| 22:47.57 | ga_bash | bash stands no where when compared to C |
| 22:48.12 | ga_bash | C doesnt makes funny sounds about spaces.... huh |
| 22:48.23 | ga_bash | this bash has a long way to go. man..... |
| 22:48.29 | enouf | sounds? |
| 22:48.37 | Tramp | ga_bash: and if you are using bash, use arithmetic evaluation with (( |
| 22:48.38 | ga_bash | enouf, sounds=errors |
| 22:48.42 | cafuego | ga_bash: yes, the lack of need for headers and a compiler really sucks ;-) |
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| 22:49.03 | ga_bash | cafuego, this bash is irritating |
| 22:49.22 | ga_bash | cafuego, you have gcc. what else do you want? |
| 22:49.43 | enouf | !need |
| 22:49.44 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
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| 22:49.59 | cafuego | ga_bash: A quick and portable way of writing scripts, that doesn't require a toolchain and compliation. Ie: a shell. |
| 22:50.06 | enouf | heh ... never saw the shell bit in there :-P |
| 22:50.07 | ga_bash | cafuego, i never remember the syntaxes of bash.. tend to keep forgetting them all the time |
| 22:50.25 | pipeline | use perl sheesh |
| 22:50.29 | cafuego | ga_bash: But that's not a bash problem, that's a ga_bash problem. |
| 22:50.30 | PeterM | ga_bash: Me too. |
| 22:50.35 | pipeline | anything you COULD do in bash you SHOULD do in perl ;) |
| 22:50.37 | enouf | ga_bash: Java is for you |
| 22:50.39 | ga_bash | cafuego, ha ha lol |
| 22:51.09 | ga_bash | PeterM, i guess everyone of us forgets them.. but only a few of us admit. |
| 22:51.12 | PeterM | pipeline: Why exactly? |
| 22:51.13 | ga_bash | lol |
| 22:51.17 | cafuego | ga_bash: I mean, at the end of the day you could also use perl, pyhon, ruby, php or if the fancy took you, a kernel module with sysctl calls. |
| 22:51.31 | PeterM | ga_bash: :-) |
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| 22:51.32 | pipeline | PeterM: has a real debugger, not whitespace sensitive, handles floating point, wide library availability |
| 22:51.35 | ga_bash | cafuego, :) |
| 22:51.48 | PeterM | pipeline: Got it! :-) |
| 22:51.55 | pipeline | PeterM: it has the same advantages as shell - installed everywhere, easy to get started - but without the disadvantages. |
| 22:52.02 | pipeline | PeterM: hell even proprietary unix includes perl 5 now |
| 22:52.13 | cafuego | ga_bash: if you need debugging, you can always add 'set -x' to the top. |
| 22:52.15 | PeterM | pipeline: Wow! Very cool though. |
| 22:52.29 | PeterM | pipeline: And i can use it for scipting irssi! :-) |
| 22:52.43 | ga_bash | cafuego, yeh you are right. now that you mention it.. i m getting all the bits and pieces together |
| 22:52.45 | ga_bash | :) |
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| 23:02.06 | adama1 | !qotd0 |
| 23:02.07 | dpkg | <greycat> I will not run it on Solaris. I will not run it in Madrid or Paris. I will not run the Enterprise. I do not like it in my eyes. |
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| 23:11.15 | daredake | can anyone help me with routing? i have small network: http://pastebin.com/m165ed172 and a problemm: pings goes freely to server from any other machine and from server to any other machine, but they cannot pass trhough server - for note and router user is always unreachable |
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| 23:12.24 | cafuego | So basically your server isn't set to forward packets? |
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| 23:12.29 | subsume | why put home on a separate partition on the same drive? |
| 23:12.57 | cafuego | daredake: sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward |
| 23:13.05 | daredake | cafuego, no, its forwards them perfectly from user to ppp0 and from router to ppp1 |
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| 23:14.28 | daredake | maybe i missed something in iptables for current situation? |
| 23:14.30 | cafuego | subsume: Mean you can trash / at install time and do a new install, whilst not mangling /home. |
| 23:14.49 | cafuego | daredake: Maybe. You didn't post firewall rules, so I can't tell. |
| 23:15.04 | daredake | so they are needed? |
| 23:15.05 | subsume | cafuego: you're a great american. thank you. |
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| 23:15.57 | abrotman | cafuego: want a double cheeseburger super-sized? |
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| 23:16.29 | cafuego | subsume: Take that back, you bastard. |
| 23:16.37 | subsume | =D |
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| 23:17.14 | klbate | Did something weird happen to Testing in the last few days? A dist-upgrade now says that it needs 500MB (!!!) of additional space. |
| 23:17.23 | cafuego | daredake: oh, so you don't have firewall rules currently? |
| 23:17.27 | Black9ice | any reason why when on this fresh install I run the update manager and do a refresh it bombs out and cant download files |
| 23:17.34 | PeterM | klbate: Is that weird? |
| 23:17.42 | bzed | klbate: nothing except that some huge migrations are don and probably a ton of packages migrated |
| 23:17.53 | subsume | klbate: Fedora needs 500GB, so you should be content. |
| 23:18.26 | klbate | PeterFA: I'd say so, considering it's not supposed to install any actually _new_ software except to fix dependencies. |
| 23:19.16 | bzed | klbate: eh wtf? |
| 23:19.32 | dondelelcaro | klbate: huh? testing has new versions all the time |
| 23:19.55 | klbate | dondelelcaro: I mean new as in packages that I don't have older versions of already. |
| 23:20.04 | cafuego | klbate: Does it need to download 500MB of apckages maybe, rather than adding 500MB to the base install. |
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| 23:20.28 | klbate | cafuego: Need to get 548MB of archives. |
| 23:20.28 | klbate | After this operation, 507MB of additional disk space will be used. |
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| 23:20.40 | cafuego | klbate: It's equally possibly someone broke a depend; thais is what 'stable' is for ;-) |
| 23:20.43 | dondelelcaro | klbate: depends on what you're installing; some packages get larger, and you may not have dependencies needed, and may still need the old version |
| 23:20.43 | bzed | klbate: did you upgrade to lenny? |
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| 23:21.22 | klbate | bzed: I've always been on Testing, I haven't bothered with release names. |
| 23:21.45 | bzed | klbate: so what does aptitude or apt-get say? does it want to install new packages? |
| 23:22.13 | klbate | bzed: 203 upgraded, 173 newly installed, 7 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 23:22.38 | cafuego | and what are the newly installed pkgs? |
| 23:22.43 | bzed | klbate: figure out which new packages are installed... chances are good it makes sense |
| 23:23.39 | klbate | It's all over the place, from avahi stuff to audio daemons to X servers... |
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| 23:23.59 | klbate | Oh, wait... did someone change something big in the Debian-multimedia repository? |
| 23:24.12 | dondelelcaro | klbate: then try running aptitude why foopkg; for the new packages that are being installed |
| 23:24.55 | subsume | Yes I will participate in the package usage survey!! |
| 23:25.13 | Black9ice | wow any server I choose in "software sources" bombs out when I try to check for updates... hmmm? |
| 23:25.40 | dondelelcaro | Black9ice: with what error? What "software sources"? what does apt-cache policy; output? |
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| 23:28.10 | Black9ice | dondelelcaro: it fails on downloading the files lists... apt-cache policy outputs what looks like the server info I am using |
| 23:29.02 | Black9ice | dondelelcaro: says it cant download all indexes |
| 23:29.15 | dondelelcaro | Black9ice: we need to see the exact error and the output. |
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| 23:30.28 | Black9ice | dondelelcaro: hmmm, odd unchecking the sources option corrected the problem |
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| 23:40.11 | eldowan | does GRUB in debian support installing to, and booting from, an eSATA drive while an internal SATA drive is currently installed? |
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| 23:41.58 | Polarina | eSATA is essentially the same as SATA. |
| 23:42.14 | Polarina | Just a different shaped plug. |
| 23:42.41 | eldowan | Thats what I was thinking, but I'd rather not spend the money on an esata enclosure if it is not going to work. |
| 23:43.00 | keith4__ | shouldn't be any difference |
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| 23:43.33 | Polarina | eldowan: I'd be surprised if it wouldn't work. |
| 23:43.37 | eldowan | Just so I don't feel like a fool later, esata adapters look like internal sata adapters, but with tines on both ends correct? |
| 23:44.24 | Polarina | eldowan: They are the same internally, just the plug is differently shaped (but same pins and everything). |
| 23:44.45 | izzyb | I'm having a problem with xorg crashing on a new system with a fresh install of debian lenny. The mouse becomes almost frozen and the keyboard is unresponsive. I can ssh in from another box and see xorg spiked at 100% of cpu. it doesn't respond to ctl-alt-backspace or kill -9 of the process. |
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| 23:45.02 | eldowan | right, but only one end on sata has a short 90 degree turn. does esata have that on both ends? |
| 23:45.32 | izzyb | I have to reboot the system, but can shutdown the virtual machines running in the background and do an orderly reboot |
| 23:45.35 | Polarina | eldowan: eSATA simply isn't L shaped, that's it. |
| 23:46.02 | eldowan | hmm... So I may not have an esata port on the board. I must do more research. thanks. |
| 23:46.12 | abrotman | izzyb: which driver? |
| 23:46.29 | Polarina | eldowan: No problem. |
| 23:46.53 | izzyb | abrotman, just a sec, need to reconnect... |
| 23:47.05 | Polarina | is off to bed. |
| 23:47.09 | abrotman | it's your video card ... |
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| 23:49.06 | Polarina | eldowan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESATA#External_SATA |
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| 23:49.57 | eldowan | Polarina: I don't think the machine I'm looking at has an esata connector on it. Thanks for the link, don't know why I didn't look there first. |
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| 23:50.25 | Polarina | eldowan: You can still use normal SATA. :) |
| 23:51.02 | eldowan | Polarina: corporate PC, trying to install debian on external drive w/o tampering with any internals... I may have to resort to standard external USB. |
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