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| 00:02.07 | izzyb | abrotman, sorry, took me a while to get reconnected. its a remote site and the user turned off the computer :( |
| 00:02.44 | izzyb | I'm just looking at my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, but I don't see the driver listed. is this not where I should find it? |
| 00:02.58 | eldowan | Polarina: thanks for the help, but it looks like what I thought was esata was displayport... oh well. |
| 00:03.00 | izzyb | The screen section just has Identifier and Monitor |
| 00:03.14 | Polarina | eldowan: HDMI? :P |
| 00:03.16 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:03.37 | eldowan | Polarina: hdmi competetor... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort |
| 00:03.54 | Polarina | Ah.. |
| 00:05.33 | izzyb | Wow, lots of stuff in there, but I think I found it. Radeon is the driver |
| 00:05.39 | izzyb | ATI Technologies Inc Radeon X1200 Series rev 0, |
| 00:05.39 | eldowan | How sluggish should I expect a lenny install to be over an external usb drive? |
| 00:05.44 | izzyb | Thats the detected video card |
| 00:06.02 | pipeline | eldowan: not sluggish at all |
| 00:06.15 | eldowan | pipeline: really? excellent. |
| 00:06.30 | pipeline | eldowan: an external usb drive isn't a whole lot slower than an actual direct-attached hard drive would have been a few years ago |
| 00:07.05 | pipeline | eldowan: I remember using an external root with a 3.5" drive was actually considerably faster than the internal drive on my work laptop. The improved performance of a full-size drive made up for the very high latency of USB several times over :) |
| 00:07.33 | pipeline | eldowan: that said, eSATA cards and eSATA enclosures for hard drives are really cheap now. There's no reason to use USB :P |
| 00:07.45 | eldowan | pipeline: OK, I've a couple of systems that are older (p3 or so) and on PATA. They seems to have perfectly acceptable response, even with kde installed. should I expect at least the same from a core2 duo today? |
| 00:08.09 | pipeline | eldowan: yup |
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| 00:08.58 | eldowan | pipeline: I've considered an esata card, but I don't think my boss would allow it. He's not totally comfortable with me installing debian on an external drive, so I seriously doubt he would be comfortable with me opening up a comapny issued pc to install the card. |
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| 00:09.16 | pipeline | eldowan: figured it was a laptop |
| 00:09.27 | eldowan | That said, he's allowing me to install external as long as I don't mess up the company image, etc.. :D |
| 00:13.25 | pipeline | eldowan: I have a company laptop with debian on it. My coworkers use OSX, Solaris, etc. You work for weirdos ;) |
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| 00:14.08 | eldowan | Oh that I do, Huuuuge company. only blesses xp and vista. |
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| 00:18.00 | draeath | Source packages... do they store the unmodified code and patch, or store the patched code? |
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| 00:18.54 | pipeline | draeath: the former |
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| 00:19.34 | draeath | pipeline: thanks |
| 00:19.50 | draeath | need to grab some source, but the official svn for it won't work (seems a server side config issue) |
| 00:19.55 | draeath | But... debian has it :D |
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| 00:22.22 | pipeline | eldowan: all of the large company customers I have been to are extremely picky about what you install on hardware, but the appropriate people are entitled to hardware with the right stuff installed. |
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| 00:22.40 | Shockcore | any special reason why would mdadm --detail /dev/md0 would report size: Array Size : 782803840 (746.54 GiB 801.59 GB) when it's 3 x 1TB drives? i even zeroed the superblock, recreated the linux raid autodetect partition on the disc, stoped the array and recreated it, reboot. Ive tried probably anything i know. |
| 00:22.45 | pipeline | eldowan: so you end up with developers having $2,000 PCs in order to run Lotus Notes, and $10,000 Sun workstations so that they can do their god damn jobs -_- |
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| 00:23.10 | pipeline | Shockcore: hmm, sure it's not a ^2 versus ^10 problem? |
| 00:23.53 | Shockcore | whats that? |
| 00:24.39 | pipeline | Shockcore: well, I just did the math and that was a bad hypothesis anyway |
| 00:24.53 | Shockcore | hhe |
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| 00:25.29 | k-man | i build and installed the lirc-kernel module, however when i try to modprobe it, i get this error http://pastebin.ca/1380457 |
| 00:25.39 | k-man | any ideas what could be causing that? |
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| 00:26.14 | pipeline | Shockcore: a "one terabyte" disk is really 931 GB |
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| 00:26.32 | pipeline | Shockcore: because data storage is measured in powers of two - a gigabyte is 1024 megabytes, a megabyte is 1024 kilobytes and so on |
| 00:27.00 | pipeline | Shockcore: but disk drive manufacturers use powers of ten - 1000 kilobytes in a megabyte, 1000 megabytes in a gigabyte and so on |
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| 00:27.15 | patrlck | I tried generating a fancontrol conf file using pwmconfig but I get this msg: /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed .. is there another way to generate the fancontrol conf file? |
| 00:27.18 | Shockcore | see this : http://rafb.net/p/RROvN343.html |
| 00:28.45 | pipeline | Shockcore: that looks broken |
| 00:29.11 | pipeline | Shockcore: btw, it's not wise to use raw drives for md devices |
| 00:29.17 | pipeline | Shockcore: create partitions with type 0x0a |
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| 00:29.53 | Shockcore | woups |
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| 00:30.11 | Shockcore | i forgot to create sdb1 sdc1 and sdd1 this time |
| 00:30.31 | Shockcore | i use partition type linux raid autodetect "FD" |
| 00:30.37 | Shockcore | is that what you mean? |
| 00:30.46 | pipeline | Shockcore: whoops - fd is probably correct. Sheesh, what is 0a? haha |
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| 00:30.56 | pipeline | Shockcore: at any rate, having partitions is a good thing |
| 00:31.18 | Shockcore | it wont change a single thing |
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| 00:32.02 | pipeline | Shockcore: what command did you use to create the array ? |
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| 00:32.38 | Sertse | anyone find report bug annyoing compared to .umm....launchpad? |
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| 00:32.55 | abrotman | Sertse: works fine .. i don't see a problem with it |
| 00:33.03 | avu | I find launchpad annoying compared to reportbug |
| 00:33.03 | wald0 | it will be possible to open 2 user sessions in X and to switch from one to other without lost the windows and applications running ? (without run another graphical system in other tty) |
| 00:33.15 | Shockcore | mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --chunk=128 --level=0 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 |
| 00:33.16 | pipeline | Shockcore: are you sure you didn't accidentally include /dev/sda6 or something in some earlier invocation of mdadm to create md0 ? |
| 00:33.17 | Shockcore | or |
| 00:33.28 | Shockcore | mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --chunk=128 --level=0 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd |
| 00:33.31 | pipeline | Shockcore: hmm why did you mandate a chunk size ? |
| 00:33.46 | Shockcore | in some earlier maybe |
| 00:33.55 | Shockcore | but if i recreate what does it mather? :) |
| 00:34.01 | avu | Sertse, although the real difference IMO is the reading. launchpad (AFAIK) lacks any tool like querybts(1) |
| 00:34.14 | pipeline | Shockcore: perhaps --create on an existing device is comparable to assemble ;) |
| 00:34.18 | Shockcore | because 128k is better |
| 00:34.34 | avu | and apt-listbugs probably doesn't work with launchpad either? |
| 00:34.42 | Shockcore | then how do i "delete" an existing device FULLY? |
| 00:34.43 | pipeline | Shockcore: dd if=/dev/zero bs=1K count=1 of= each of the devices... blank them out, create new partitions, and create a new md device using a new device number, e.g. md5 |
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| 00:34.58 | pipeline | Shockcore: you will need to mdadm -S the array before you do this of course :) |
| 00:35.12 | Shockcore | yes ok but |
| 00:35.14 | pipeline | Shockcore: also don't use raw disks, this time use partitions. Using raw disks is annoying. |
| 00:35.21 | Shockcore | dd if=/dev/zero bs=1K count=1 of= each of the devices... blank them out |
| 00:35.29 | pipeline | Shockcore: yes |
| 00:35.36 | Shockcore | can u explain more |
| 00:35.48 | ser | hello, i am the linux documentation project "staff" - and we want to include all content of debian's /usr/share/doc to our site. the question is how to maintain it and keep actual? |
| 00:36.25 | abrotman | keep it up to date? |
| 00:36.40 | Sertse | abrotman: Debian bug filing seems to have all these formatting requirements, involve sending emails and I use a webmail... launchpad is just fill in a form. I can get report bug to just make a right template, for me to send manually? |
| 00:36.44 | pipeline | Shockcore: so blanking out the first kilobyte will kill any partition table and kill any md label |
| 00:36.47 | avu | ser, the documents in that directory aren't part of a single package but are scattered among all debian packages.. |
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| 00:36.58 | pipeline | Shockcore: if no array is running, and no data about past arrays is left on the disk, you have a nice clean start eh |
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| 00:37.01 | ser | abrotman: accordingly with e.g. current sid |
| 00:37.06 | abrotman | Sertse: uhm .. i just use 'reportbug' |
| 00:37.08 | wald0 | just as macosx does |
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| 00:37.22 | ser | avu: yes, i know, this i why i am asking for an advice |
| 00:37.25 | abrotman | Sertse: i'd rather not have a webform .. that leads to lazy people filing bugs without doing any actual work |
| 00:37.34 | avu | ser, so you'd have to extract the contents from every package (as it's not possible to have every package installed on a single machine) |
| 00:37.44 | Shockcore | yes i know but what command do i need to issue to do this step? |
| 00:37.51 | EugenMayer | i have a some logs files i want to use, to generate web-access-statistics for a specific domain. What tool could i use do do this once? |
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| 00:38.07 | ser | avu: i am looking for a way how to extract only documentation part of each packagage |
| 00:38.22 | avu | ser, create your own mirror, keep it up to date, write a program to iterate over the package files and extract the contents |
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| 00:38.42 | avu | ser, .deb files are just ar(1) archives with tar.gz archives in them |
| 00:38.47 | wald0 | i have never see something like this in linux |
| 00:39.03 | wald0 | in any case im not sure that it will be possible |
| 00:39.09 | ranix | ser: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_(file_format) |
| 00:39.18 | ser | avu: any hints how to exctract only documentation using debian tools? for example with rpm it is possible |
| 00:39.26 | ranix | WTF |
| 00:39.34 | avu | ser, I just told you? |
| 00:39.40 | wald0 | maybe by running a kind of "login manager" from root in X that switches from a user to other... but it needs to "hidden" the windows of one or other user in a way, and i think that X11 doesnt do that |
| 00:39.43 | pipeline | Shockcore: mdadm -S /dev/md0 |
| 00:39.53 | pipeline | Shockcore: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd bs=1K count=1 |
| 00:39.57 | pipeline | Shockcore: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=1K count=1 |
| 00:39.57 | avu | ser, it's standard formats, just use the standard tools available for those formats to get the files you want |
| 00:39.58 | pipeline | Shockcore: ... |
| 00:40.10 | pipeline | Shockcore: then use cfdisk to create new partitions |
| 00:40.13 | pipeline | Shockcore: then try again :) |
| 00:40.30 | ser | avu: which standard tools do yuu mean? apt-get, dpkg? |
| 00:40.34 | avu | ser, the files in /usr/share/doc are in no way special to the package |
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| 00:40.40 | avu | ser, ar(1), tar(1) |
| 00:40.45 | ranix | ser: would you like me to teach you how to use tar.gz files? |
| 00:40.52 | avu | ser, you could also use dpkg to extract the whole thing, yes |
| 00:40.59 | ser | ranix: you do not to have be rude, indeed |
| 00:41.11 | ranix | I think it is rude to ask questions Wikipedia can answer |
| 00:41.41 | ser | ranix: so you cannot help |
| 00:41.44 | ranix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_(file_format) |
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| 00:42.25 | ser | ranix: maybe you will send me a link to mendeleyev table? |
| 00:43.16 | ser | ranix: as everything is built from carbon and oxygen |
| 00:43.16 | wald0 | ok, nobody knows |
| 00:43.16 | ranix | ser: I wash my hands of your vacuosity |
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| 00:43.38 | ser | i did not see such a site with debian docs before, so it looks it is not ordinary question, as nobody did it before |
| 00:43.45 | Shockcore | ok, at the moment i tried all this exept the "dd" stuff and using an other mdX can probably help |
| 00:43.46 | avu | ser, stop being such a pain, you have all the information you need |
| 00:44.08 | EugenMayer | where is awstats installed in debian? |
| 00:44.12 | ser | avu: yes, i know now you are not helpful |
| 00:44.17 | wald0 | Shockcore: what you want to do ? |
| 00:44.18 | ser | avu: and nothing more |
| 00:44.26 | streuner | EugenMayer: dpkg -L awstats |
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| 00:44.48 | know1 | "mount: No medium found" - where should I start with this? |
| 00:44.55 | know1 | trying to utilize a cd/dvd drive |
| 00:45.01 | know1 | doesn't even respond to 'eject' |
| 00:45.02 | avu | ser, I took quite a bit of time to explain everything you need. you choose to be argumentative instead of actually working with the given information.. |
| 00:45.29 | ranix | know1: that's odd. What command are you using to work with it |
| 00:45.35 | ser | avu: hehe time to provide me a basic link? please... |
| 00:45.46 | ranix | avu: yhbt |
| 00:46.05 | know1 | ranix: 'mount /dev/dvd /mnt/cdrom' etc. |
| 00:46.11 | avu | ranix, you know, I think you may be right. |
| 00:46.25 | know1 | ranix: fstab has a listing for /dev/scd0 to /media/cdrom0, but that doesn't work, either |
| 00:46.29 | ranix | know1: try using the hd/sd dev name instead and see if maybe they are... |
| 00:46.31 | ranix | hm |
| 00:46.42 | know1 | didn't check sd's yet, 1min |
| 00:46.56 | know1 | nah, only hard disks in /dev/sd* |
| 00:47.05 | know1 | hrmmm, well, actualy 1sec :p |
| 00:47.15 | ranix | maybe your drive is actually empty |
| 00:47.24 | ranix | did you put the disk in upside-down |
| 00:47.25 | ranix | lol |
| 00:47.34 | wald0 | time to go :þ |
| 00:47.45 | know1 | :p |
| 00:48.29 | know1 | ranix: yeah I mean we can't even eject it |
| 00:48.35 | know1 | via the hardware switch or 'eject' both |
| 00:48.44 | know1 | works fine in the Windows install |
| 00:48.54 | know1 | could we be missing something in the kernel? |
| 00:49.20 | know1 | oooh just found something neat in kconfig |
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| 00:50.05 | Shockcore | pipeline |
| 00:50.07 | Shockcore | mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md1 --chunk=128 --level=0 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 |
| 00:50.29 | know1 | hum, where's /proc/config.gz :p |
| 00:50.34 | Shockcore | is this okey or i better put /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd |
| 00:50.34 | pipeline | Shockcore: omit the chunk argument... and the level, what the hell, why would you want raid zero ? |
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| 00:50.55 | pipeline | Shockcore: that's just a waste of time. Use LVM. |
| 00:51.04 | Shockcore | raid0 = stripping? |
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| 00:51.13 | abrotman | avu: i thought that a website had already been done .. |
| 00:51.27 | ranix | wait know1 maybe you have one of those crazy desktop icons from your desktop manager |
| 00:51.33 | ranix | for the CD |
| 00:51.43 | know1 | ranix: 'fraid not, though I was expecting one :p |
| 00:51.43 | ranix | and it's screwing with mount |
| 00:51.46 | ranix | blast |
| 00:51.48 | know1 | oh, um.... |
| 00:51.50 | avu | abrotman, wouldn't surprise me, yes. Haven't seen something like that myself though |
| 00:51.51 | know1 | oh no |
| 00:51.56 | ranix | is it on fire? |
| 00:51.58 | martianlobster | I just started Xvnc with, "vncserver -localhost", but port 6001 is still open to the outside world. nsetstat -pantu | egrep LISTEN shows this: http://acumen.dyndns.biz/sockets.txt How can I start Xvnc, so that no ports are open on 0.0.0.0, and only on localhost ? |
| 00:51.59 | avu | abrotman, haven't looked for it either though |
| 00:52.06 | know1 | seriously dude :p |
| 00:52.36 | Shockcore | pipeline: i want a stripping raid for speed... |
| 00:52.50 | ranix | lol stripping rai |
| 00:52.50 | ranix | d |
| 00:53.03 | pipeline | Shockcore: yeah that's a total waste of time |
| 00:53.07 | ranix | You can have a mailserver with a stripping raid and a fileserver with a poledancing raid. |
| 00:53.12 | Shockcore | umm why ? |
| 00:53.20 | pipeline | Shockcore: doesn't work well ... peril of losing files |
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| 00:53.27 | avu | I always suspected striping was just invented to make people make fun of themselves |
| 00:53.32 | Shockcore | i know |
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| 00:53.51 | pipeline | it doesn't work well |
| 00:53.53 | pipeline | use lvm :P |
| 00:53.58 | pipeline | lesser peril, comparable performance ;) |
| 00:54.02 | Shockcore | but i prefer speed over lost of data |
| 00:54.05 | Shockcore | lvm ? |
| 00:54.14 | Shockcore | damn hehe i need to know more about that i guess |
| 00:54.14 | ranix | I like raid 5 |
| 00:54.18 | pipeline | concatenation with lvm: when it dies, you only lose MOST of your files :D |
| 00:54.26 | avu | raid5 is even worse than striping. |
| 00:54.31 | pipeline | Shockcore: you have three drives, use RAID5. :) |
| 00:54.33 | Shockcore | raid5 is good but u loose a drive |
| 00:54.36 | pipeline | so what |
| 00:54.36 | ranix | no, raid 5 is striping with parity |
| 00:54.38 | pipeline | drives are cheap |
| 00:54.51 | ranix | it's better than plain JBOD + LVM |
| 00:54.55 | ranix | in my opinion |
| 00:55.10 | avu | !baarf |
| 00:55.10 | pipeline | hell I'm thinking about moving to RAID6. RAID5 rebuilds take so long with terabyte-plus drives that I fear losing a second drive in the interregnum |
| 00:55.11 | abrotman | avu: it is striping |
| 00:55.15 | ranix | raid 1 for redundancy, raid 5 for compromize, raid0 for l33t, and JBOD for easy |
| 00:55.27 | abrotman | raid0 for stupidity .. ITYM |
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| 00:55.37 | ranix | my fileserver at home is raid0 |
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| 00:55.46 | abrotman | but you have a backup right? |
| 00:55.46 | ser | we use raid10 at ldp :) |
| 00:55.48 | Doonz | hey guys through ssh how do i make an ip static not dhcp |
| 00:55.51 | ranix | not really |
| 00:55.54 | ranix | it's losable data though |
| 00:55.55 | dkr | the ones without any redundancy should be called AIDs |
| 00:56.02 | abrotman | ranix: which is fine .. as long as you know that |
| 00:56.07 | ranix | I decided if I did jbod and lost a drive I wouldn't care enough to recover |
| 00:56.10 | ranix | hence, raid 0 |
| 00:56.11 | abrotman | Doonz: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:56.18 | Doonz | ok thanx |
| 00:56.26 | ranix | also I can unpack archives rather quickly |
| 00:56.30 | ranix | so + |
| 00:56.43 | avu | just get more RAM :) |
| 00:56.54 | avu | then you can unpack archives quickly too |
| 00:57.04 | Shockcore | whats jbod ? |
| 00:57.18 | ser | just bunch of drives |
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| 01:00.18 | Shockcore | pipeline: http://rafb.net/p/9qOuEE83.html |
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| 01:00.29 | Shockcore | why does it thinks that ? |
| 01:00.44 | pipeline | Shockcore: three possibilities |
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| 01:00.49 | pipeline | Shockcore: 1. you did not stop md0 |
| 01:00.58 | pipeline | Shockcore: 2. you did not blank the disks with dd |
| 01:01.26 | pipeline | Shockcore: 3. mdadm.conf references /dev/sdd1. Actually that one is bullshit. It has to be one of the first two. |
| 01:01.53 | Shockcore | i did both of the two :) |
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| 01:03.09 | EugenMayer | what is wrong with find ./ -name *ispconfig* |
| 01:03.18 | EugenMayer | it should actually work i guess |
| 01:03.31 | avu | EugenMayer, you probably want to quite the *ispconfig* |
| 01:03.35 | avu | quote even |
| 01:03.39 | EugenMayer | oh. |
| 01:03.48 | EugenMayer | sorry and thanks |
| 01:03.52 | Shockcore | pipeline: maybe a reboot would help ? |
| 01:03.55 | avu | otherwise the shell interprets the wildcard, not find |
| 01:03.57 | pipeline | Shockcore: no |
| 01:04.07 | pipeline | Shockcore: all three of the items I listed are remedy-able without a reboot |
| 01:04.33 | EugenMayer | avu: http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/FIND/find-usage.html |
| 01:04.44 | EugenMayer | was looking at such examples, but gues they are unix specific |
| 01:05.01 | avu | EugenMayer, no, that page just sucks |
| 01:05.10 | avu | EugenMayer, it gets it right one some examples, wrong on others |
| 01:05.10 | EugenMayer | fien :) |
| 01:05.33 | Shockcore | pipeline i did stopped the array, then i blanked the disk, then i used cfdisk to create partitions then tried to create the array, here is my mdadm.conf just in case: http://rafb.net/p/wJxshT94.html |
| 01:05.50 | avu | EugenMayer, the reason that the 'wrong' examples work in some cases is that some shells pass the globs through as arguments if no matches can be found |
| 01:06.02 | EugenMayer | "find ./ -name "*ispconfig*" | xargs cat >> ../test.log" could i use such a command to concatenate all the files int the current directory? |
| 01:06.09 | avu | EugenMayer, that's not something you should ever rely on as the author of that page does though |
| 01:06.17 | EugenMayer | yeah |
| 01:06.20 | EugenMayer | was just a quick-shot |
| 01:07.06 | avu | EugenMayer, are those files just in the current directory or do you really need to do a recursive search for them? |
| 01:07.39 | EugenMayer | avu: only the current dir, but actually there are also not subdirs. But i need -R for recursive, or? |
| 01:07.39 | avu | EugenMayer, if they are all in the same directory anyway, you can just 'cat *ispconfig* > ../test.log' |
| 01:07.49 | avu | EugenMayer, no, find is always recursive |
| 01:07.54 | EugenMayer | ok. |
| 01:08.08 | avu | EugenMayer, in fact, if you don't need recursion, you usually don't need find at all |
| 01:08.25 | avu | well, s/usually/often/ I guess |
| 01:08.34 | EugenMayer | didnt know that cat can work with several files / wildcards |
| 01:08.50 | avu | it doesn't 'work with wildcards' |
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| 01:08.52 | avu | the shell does. |
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| 01:09.26 | peterS | if cat didn't work with multiple files it wouldn't be named cat |
| 01:09.31 | peterS | ('catenate') |
| 01:10.40 | avu | I always thought it was called cat because it was a more mature version of the old kitten(1) on MULTICS |
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| 01:11.45 | twolane | cat = concatenate |
| 01:11.54 | Shockcore | pipeline: i just rebooted and i noticed /dev/md/0 has appeared what is it? |
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| 01:13.40 | kenjy_ | how can I use the find command for finding what don't match the expresion? for example I wanna search all the files that are not html find ./ -iname *.html should find all the html but how can I find the files who are not a html file? |
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| 01:13.57 | avu | kenjy_, add a ! |
| 01:14.09 | avu | kenjy_, (which you most likely have to escape/quote) |
| 01:14.24 | kenjy_ | avu: where? find ./ -iname \!*.html |
| 01:14.27 | kenjy_ | avu: should that work? |
| 01:14.30 | avu | kenjy_, find . \! -iname '*.html' |
| 01:14.37 | kenjy_ | avu tnks |
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| 01:15.02 | dkr | kenjy_: you prob want -type f also |
| 01:15.57 | kenjy_ | dkr, avu : this is finding html files too :S $ find . \! -iname '*.htm' -or \! -iname '*.html' |
| 01:16.15 | avu | of course it does |
| 01:16.20 | avu | you're using OR |
| 01:16.36 | avu | so a file only has to match one of those two conditions |
| 01:16.43 | avu | which every file does |
| 01:16.49 | dkr | a or b = !a and !b |
| 01:17.15 | avu | every single file imaginable is either not called *html or *htm :) |
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| 01:17.46 | peterS | also with reasonable shells, ! does not need to be escaped |
| 01:18.28 | avu | kenjy_, (you want -and, not -or) |
| 01:18.31 | peterS | anyway yeah. find ! -iname '*html' -and ! -iname '*htm' |
| 01:18.44 | kenjy_ | avu: but I wan't all the files who are not html or htm |
| 01:18.44 | peterS | or if you prefer, find ! \( -iname '*html' -or -iname '*htm' \) |
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| 01:19.20 | avu | kenjy_, yes, what you were doing was asking for files that either weren't *html or weren't *htm |
| 01:19.28 | peterS | (also, the . is optional, find will look in the current directory if you don't tell it to look elsewhere) |
| 01:19.37 | kenjy_ | avu: then why its finding them? xD |
| 01:19.38 | avu | GNU find will at least :) |
| 01:19.49 | EugenMayer | is there a way to translate apache LogFormat into awstats LogFormat? |
| 01:19.50 | peterS | avu: and since we're in #debian ... (: |
| 01:19.52 | avu | kenjy_, well because of that |
| 01:20.12 | dkr | peterS: neat. I didn't realize you did not need to escape a lone ! in tcsh or bash |
| 01:20.26 | peterS | dkr: well, you probably still have to in tcsh. one of the things I hated most about it |
| 01:20.32 | avu | kenjy_, as I said, every file imaginable will either not be ending in html or not be ending in htm :) |
| 01:20.44 | dkr | peterS: no, I used tcsh, just tested with both |
| 01:20.47 | dkr | use |
| 01:20.50 | peterS | oh interesting then |
| 01:20.53 | kenjy_ | avu: but then when I wanna use or I should use and? |
| 01:21.13 | avu | kenjy_, no, you should use something that does what you want :) |
| 01:21.17 | dkr | only if you want to because of faulty logic. :) |
| 01:21.17 | peterS | kenjy_: I gave you 2 ways to do what you want |
| 01:21.20 | avu | kenjy_, peterS already gave you two working examples |
| 01:21.50 | peterS | dkr: I switched away from tcsh around 1999, I suppose it may have changed slightly in the past 10 years (: |
| 01:21.57 | avu | also, I seem to really have gotten into the habbit of escaping far more than I need to :) |
| 01:22.28 | kenjy_ | avu: and they work but they work when I use and |
| 01:22.30 | dkr | peterS: well, bash did copy some of the features that made tcsh better a decade ago. so the reasons to use it now are less. btu I stick with it out of habit and convenience |
| 01:22.36 | shivamib | escape! from monkey isand |
| 01:22.49 | shivamib | *island |
| 01:22.51 | peterS | dkr: yeah I switched to bash pretty much when they first got programmable completion |
| 01:22.58 | simonrvn | peterS: hey :) |
| 01:23.06 | peterS | that was the one killer feature I needed in tcsh |
| 01:23.08 | peterS | hey simonrvn |
| 01:24.06 | kenjy_ | avu: not or |
| 01:24.24 | avu | kenjy_, and we tried explaining you why that is in much detail now :) |
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| 01:26.32 | peterS | kenjy_: the reason you are confused is that you want !(a OR b), and you are mistakenly expanding this to !a OR !b |
| 01:26.40 | peterS | whereas it actually expands to !a AND !b |
| 01:27.06 | dkr | I said that a while ago, albeit a bit more cryptically. :) |
| 01:27.25 | peterS | anyway !(a OR b) is probably the least confusing way to express it, or in 'find' syntax: find ! \( -iname '*html' -or -iname '*htm' \) |
| 01:28.00 | kenjy_ | peterS: yea understood |
| 01:28.15 | k-man | whats the debian way to change the load order of services at boot time? |
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| 01:29.06 | ranix | you guys were right, Wesnoth is good |
| 01:29.32 | peterS | k-man: manipulate the symlinks in /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d (rcS.d runs first) |
| 01:29.59 | peterS | k-man: you can do it with simple renaming ('mv'), or by means of update-rc.d, which is a bit cumbersome, but then, both ways are cumbersome |
| 01:30.01 | k-man | peterS: isn't there some program that does it for you? |
| 01:30.12 | k-man | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 01:30.15 | peterS | either way, your changes should be preserved as you upgrade packages |
| 01:30.25 | k-man | thanks |
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| 01:31.04 | peterS | actually, hmmm, don't quote me on changes being preserved after you use update-rc.d. I'm not positive about that. |
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| 01:33.21 | wpgmb | Having ndiswrapper problems with Sid. The GUI keeps mentioning "FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found" but it is installed. Google is NOT my friend... help? |
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| 01:34.21 | oh_noes | Is it possible to turn on verbose output for apt-get install, so I can watch pre and post install scripts firing and the commands they run |
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| 01:36.23 | tom_ | hi i done a normal installation of apache in debian etch,netstat shows apache listening on port 80 with ssh,but i cant access it using my wan ip..how come? |
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| 01:37.01 | Gr33n3gg | oh_noes: apt-get install -q ? |
| 01:37.28 | dondelelcaro | oh_noes: you can add set -x; or equivalent to the postinst scripts |
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| 01:38.19 | pickcoder | tom_: choose one: ISP is blocking you, your modem's firewall is blocking you, you don't have your external IP configured in apache and/or /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:39.20 | oh_noes | dondelelcaro: thanks well I already have the deb file ... I want to do the equivalent of bash -x /script.sh and run debugging/verbose against the existing deb |
| 01:39.26 | oh_noes | if Icreate a new deb file I might introduce a new bug |
| 01:41.12 | tom_ | pickcoder: i am under a dmz ,and according to what you said,i didnt configured any ip in apache config,i thought like a NameVirtualHost * will listen on all interfaces?,and i can able to accessssh using same ip |
| 01:41.35 | pickcoder | NameVirtualHost * is a horrid config and a bad default setup in Debian |
| 01:41.42 | pickcoder | it should be *:80 at the minimum |
| 01:42.15 | pickcoder | that should also match VirtualHost |
| 01:42.24 | tom_ | i see |
| 01:42.34 | pickcoder | preferably it should be <ip>:80 |
| 01:43.00 | pickcoder | depending on your content |
| 01:43.09 | tom_ | doing it now,kets see |
| 01:43.13 | tom_ | *lets |
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| 01:43.35 | pickcoder | iptables --list should show default ACCEPT policy for all three chains |
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| 01:43.47 | pickcoder | if you see rules in there then you don't have a "default" setup |
| 01:43.57 | tom_ | sure will check that too |
| 01:44.21 | jester_ | in alsamixer all i see is my video card's hdmi output but i can hear music from the onboard sound card why is this? and how can i test/get a mic working its plugged into the mic port for the onboard audio. also under the sound capture option in the gnome sound setting app i can select my webcam's mic but it doesn't seem to work but any other option gives me a stream error about not finding the device lsusb lspci and /proc/asound/devi |
| 01:44.21 | jester_ | ces @ http://rafb.net/p/SHJslc79.html any help would be greatly appreciated |
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| 01:44.59 | DrJuano | hi everybody |
| 01:45.18 | tom_ | pickcoder: no luck still,i can see a lot of 'ACCEPT' rules in iptables,how can i clear all rules in iptables ,iptables -F? |
| 01:46.04 | pickcoder | tom_: you should see 3 chains with policy "ACCEPT" |
| 01:46.14 | pickcoder | the chains are INPUT, FORWARD, and OUTPUT |
| 01:46.29 | pickcoder | if the policy is DENY then you have a firewall installed |
| 01:46.30 | DrJuano | I've compiled the last version of Gparted, I want to know if someone would like to pack the code. I do not have any idea to do so, but if you would like to do it i will send you the files. |
| 01:46.40 | pickcoder | defer to the firewall docs to open port 80 |
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| 01:47.27 | pickcoder | it may be "DROP" actually |
| 01:47.37 | pickcoder | I.E.:L Chain INPUT (policy DROP |
| 01:47.43 | pickcoder | er |
| 01:47.46 | pickcoder | paste error |
| 01:47.48 | pickcoder | Chain INPUT (policy DROP) |
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| 01:52.33 | EugenMayer | how to replace a string ( |||| ) in a huge file with " " |
| 01:53.15 | abrotman | sed |
| 01:53.24 | gravity | Or perl, or ruby |
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| 01:53.38 | pickcoder | PickBASIC |
| 01:53.41 | pickcoder | :) |
| 01:53.56 | pickcoder | string handling to the nTH level |
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| 01:55.18 | pickcoder | abrotman: the conference was a blast.. we got snowed in... |
| 01:56.36 | abrotman | boo |
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| 02:00.07 | Isil`Zha | hello. could someone please tell me what package i need to install to get a graphical representation of file sizes in konqueror? |
| 02:00.10 | Isil`Zha | i guess it |
| 02:00.13 | tom_ | pickcoder: that was an issue with ip tables ,i opened port 80,thanks mate :) |
| 02:00.16 | Isil`Zha | s some sort of plugin package |
| 02:00.22 | Isil`Zha | but i can't seem to find it |
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| 02:01.24 | pickcoder | tom_: glad it was something simple |
| 02:01.29 | jpinx | Isil`Zha: that's more of a #KDE question |
| 02:02.22 | mmonix | if you install debian w/ encrypted LVM, you have to always enter passphrase on boot-up? this assumes keyboard always hooked up to this machine? |
| 02:02.29 | pickcoder | abrotman: the best part was having no functional power outlets in the plane seats both ways and an old laptop with a battery that lasts an hour max |
| 02:02.36 | Isil`Zha | jpinx: i don't suppose they know how debian packages their releases? but well maybe you're right. i'll ask. thanks |
| 02:02.44 | abrotman | pickcoder: try a book |
| 02:02.48 | pickcoder | I did read up on Linux Journal |
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| 02:04.00 | EugenMayer | i have a log file containing logs of 2 years ( i merged it to one )..somehow awstats only analizes the last 2 months. Why? |
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| 02:06.52 | helgim_ | Is the date of last apt-get upgrade stored somewhere? |
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| 02:08.18 | abrotman | you could look at the dpkg.log contents |
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| 02:09.12 | helgim_ | that file is empty as is |
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| 02:10.22 | unop | helgim_, any older ones? dpkg.log*gz |
| 02:10.28 | abrotman | /var/log/aptitude ? |
| 02:10.36 | deb-eater | helgim_: Having problems with dpkg are we now? |
| 02:10.44 | jester_ | mmirko, if it auto entered the password what is the point of encrypting it... it would auto decrypt your data for anyone your trying to keep it from |
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| 02:11.41 | deb-eater | Whats the repository for the testing release |
| 02:11.59 | helgim_ | as it stands, I have a dpkg.log.1 and dpkg.log.2.gz -- which are way too old for my taste |
| 02:12.01 | jester_ | squeeze or testing |
| 02:12.13 | helgim_ | if there has been no tampering with those files, that means pretty much that there hasn't been an update for a long while? |
| 02:12.13 | deb-eater | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:12.49 | deb-eater | Have the given up on bitlbee been ditched? |
| 02:12.55 | jester_ | deb-eater, what i meant is you can put testing in sources.list or the codename for the testing release which happens to be squeeze |
| 02:12.58 | helgim_ | and no, deb-eater, no problem with dpkg - it might become my problem in a few days though :< |
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| 02:13.16 | mmonix | jester_ : i get that .. but what is typical for a headless set-up (like a HTPC or server)? you just don't use LVM? |
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| 02:13.25 | jester_ | helgim_, just run a apt-get upgrade and youll know the new time :) |
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| 02:14.01 | helgim_ | jester_: ^^ I'm just doing a tiny bit of detective work, to see if the ones trusted are to be trusted any longer |
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| 02:14.58 | jester_ | mmirko, you can have it's / on a non encrypted part then mount the encrypted stuff later that way the server will boot but the data will be safe |
| 02:14.59 | rnd_name_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.32 | jester_ | rnd_name_, crash as in? freeze everything? break it to the point you have to reinstall it |
| 02:16.21 | rnd_name_ | jester_ : the numlock lights and the scroll lock lights on my keyboard flash and my system does not respond to anything at all except a reboot |
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| 02:17.45 | mmonix | jester_ : you get asked for passphrase only when you try to mount /home (for example)? |
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| 02:18.03 | jester_ | im sure it could ive never had it happen before to me but just because its java doesnt make it any less powerful (harmful). was it a stand alone program or one inside a web browser |
| 02:18.05 | ssamoon | i've followed all of powertops recommendations, screen is at like 1/2 brightness, vanilla deb install, on laptop_mode... new thinkpad t61 with 9 cell battery. burning 22.6W with 3.2 hours left when battery is full? |
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| 02:18.36 | ssamoon | any recommendations? |
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| 02:18.58 | jester_ | ssamoon, is your cpu being lowered? |
| 02:19.18 | abrotman | lesswatts.org |
| 02:19.20 | jester_ | mmirko, yes something like that |
| 02:19.35 | pickcoder | ssamoon: switch to SSD and you can save more |
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| 02:19.49 | ssamoon | pickcoder: 23W is still a little excessive right? |
| 02:20.18 | ssamoon | jester_: looks like CPU is running at 800mhz if i am understanding powertop correctly.. |
| 02:20.31 | pickcoder | what processor is it |
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| 02:20.55 | ssamoon | core 2 duo T9300 2.5ghz |
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| 02:21.23 | ssamoon | i've run deb as a server for awhile but this is my first attempt at laptop.. |
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| 02:21.29 | pickcoder | ssamoon: cat /proc/cpuinfo will tell you what it's running @ |
| 02:21.31 | ssamoon | so i'm not familiar with the issues that come iwth the territory |
| 02:21.40 | ssamoon | pickcoder: yeah it says 800 there too |
| 02:22.02 | ssamoon | thikning about just running ubuntu on this :( which will make me sad |
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| 02:24.59 | pickcoder | ssamoon: the less stuff in memory, the less power consumption too |
| 02:25.16 | pickcoder | get a light desktop |
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| 02:25.24 | pickcoder | gnome @ KDE are not light |
| 02:26.05 | ssamoon | pickcoder: i'm running XFCE, same thing even with no X installed. |
| 02:26.14 | Gr33n3gg | omg, getting triple monitors working under lenny is getting to be a bitch. |
| 02:26.29 | ssamoon | pickcoder: installed only base system and laptop, and then just xfce4 |
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| 02:30.27 | pickcoder | ssamoon: a 2.5" HDD will consume 1-2W while an SSD will typically consume .1-.2W while active |
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| 02:31.22 | ssamoon | pickcoder: i agree that'd save me 2W.. but why am I idling at 23 to begin with? |
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| 02:32.11 | pickcoder | ssamoon: memory usage? CPU? screen? |
| 02:32.26 | pickcoder | when my toshiba goes low it's basically dark |
| 02:33.31 | ssamoon | screen is low, CPU is showing 97% idle right now, using about 35MB ram |
| 02:33.53 | ssamoon | literally running nothing but bare xfce and a terminal with IRSSI, and top and powertop. no sql, no apache |
| 02:34.06 | ssamoon | oh and elinks |
| 02:34.15 | ssamoon | on a wired lan connection |
| 02:34.21 | ssamoon | bluetooth disabled, wireless disabled |
| 02:35.01 | ssamoon | this is sitting on top as cause for awkeups, not sure what it is: 36.4% ( 56.0) <kernel core> : ath5k_tasklet_rx (ath5k_led_off) |
| 02:37.22 | ssamoon | guy i talked to in the store says he runs ubuntu 9 on his and burns about 14W.. guess i'll try it and see if theres a diff |
| 02:37.29 | ssamoon | *puke* |
| 02:37.48 | gravity | ...9? |
| 02:38.04 | ssamoon | yes.. beta |
| 02:38.07 | gravity | Ok |
| 02:39.28 | ssamoon | don't worry, at least it will be xubuntu. will miss you all. plus maybe let you know if i get different results. |
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| 02:39.54 | ssamoon | i may have to spend 5x as long undoing default configs... but at least FF will be easy now |
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| 02:49.59 | ssamoon | actually it looks like that ath5k is related ot my wireless driver... can't kill it though, even -9 |
| 02:50.24 | EugenMayer | i have files which have an postifix as date. how can i find them in this order ( to merge them into one file in the correct order ) |
| 02:50.46 | dondelelcaro | EugenMayer: if it were me, I'd change the date to an epoch, and then merge them |
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| 02:52.19 | dondelelcaro | date +'%10s' -d '1/1/1989'; for an example of how to deal with converting dates to epochs |
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| 03:00.24 | deb-eater | h |
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| 03:06.33 | DrJuano | Hi |
| 03:07.15 | EugenMayer | hmm, wasnt there a command like "filename_[1..10]" which defines an interval ( bash ) ? |
| 03:07.18 | DrJuano | I've packed Gparted 0.4.4, the latest version, but i need to try it in other sistems. Does anyone want to help me? |
| 03:07.42 | jdrake | What is the name of the application that allows you to install applications in gnome without the use of synaptic? I am not on linux presently to find out on that end, I am mainly after screenshots. |
| 03:08.34 | gravity | jdrake: Is it a GUI app? |
| 03:08.47 | jdrake | gravity: yes |
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| 03:09.16 | gravity | jdrake: There's gnome-apt, but I don't know that that's really maintained anymore. aptitude has a new gtk frontend as well. |
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| 03:09.35 | jdrake | It appears that the thing I remember from ubuntu is called 'gnome-app-install', but I remember debian having something quite similar (I used debian for about the last year before going to the mac). |
| 03:10.30 | gravity | Oh, is that the thing that lets you install from a defined set of packages? |
| 03:10.39 | jdrake | yes |
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| 03:11.17 | gravity | Yeah, I know what you're talking about, but I don't remember if that was brought over to Debian. |
| 03:11.18 | jdrake | It allows you to install an app or game called 'blah' without having to give you a huge list of dependancies (but for some reason it gives you it anyways when you go to install it). |
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| 03:11.48 | jdrake | I have what I need now. I was mainly after a screen shot, I am looking for some interface ideas. |
| 03:12.01 | jdrake | Thank you for the aptitude gtk mention, it helps. |
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| 03:18.17 | mns | Is there something I can use to tell what is writing to my disk at the moment ? |
| 03:18.51 | jtaji | mns: iotop |
| 03:19.19 | mns | ahh yes ... thanks jtaji. I need to remember that command. |
| 03:21.14 | liable | also /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
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| 03:23.51 | Orchid1 | guys, i heard that ubuntu is based on debian...so like which one do i choose? |
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| 03:24.51 | miksuh | Orchid1: Debian :) |
| 03:24.57 | miksuh | Debian Lenny |
| 03:25.15 | miksuh | Debian 5.0 'Lenny' |
| 03:25.27 | deb-eater | Oh it is so fun reading the new user posts on the comp.alt.os.linux newsgroups |
| 03:25.27 | Orchid1 | could u tell me like why debian over ubuntu...i'm new to linux. |
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| 03:26.10 | etzerd | hello all |
| 03:26.15 | izzyb | Orchid1, depends on your needs and which one works for you |
| 03:26.30 | miksuh | Well even my 50+ year old mother can use Debian :) |
| 03:26.41 | etzerd | I want to install Debian in my laptop which is a 64 bit system |
| 03:26.42 | izzyb | Orchid1, I use debian for all my servers, but use Ubuntu for my workstation. |
| 03:27.06 | etzerd | how many DVD package do I need to download for a complete installation? |
| 03:27.15 | miksuh | I use debian Lenny on desktop, laptop and server |
| 03:27.16 | Orchid1 | iwant a linux distro thats powerful, well all are, but really good for desktop use/game/internet stuff etc etc |
| 03:27.24 | izzyb | Orchid1, with the new Lenny coming out, I'll probably give it a try some time and see how it compares these days for my desktop needs |
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| 03:27.48 | miksuh | izzucoming out? lnny was released already |
| 03:28.00 | miksuh | izzyb |
| 03:28.05 | izzyb | Orchid1, have you found distrowatch.org? |
| 03:28.12 | miksuh | izzyb: coming out? Lenny was released already |
| 03:28.19 | miksuh | 14th of february |
| 03:28.37 | izzyb | miksuh, that's what I ment. since its out I mean |
| 03:28.42 | Orchid1 | i am new but managed to install fedora and learned some stuff, was wondering if installing debin is easy/has a gui? |
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| 03:29.01 | etzerd | miksuh: how many DVD do I need to download to have a good installation for Debian? |
| 03:29.08 | pl4yer0ne | Orchid1, Yes its easy and yes it has a GUI |
| 03:29.20 | miksuh | elsenone, download one wert small netinst-cd |
| 03:29.23 | miksuh | damn |
| 03:29.35 | izzyb | Orchid1, yes there is a gui install, although I haven't used it. |
| 03:29.36 | miksuh | etzerd: none, download one wert small netinst-cd |
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| 03:29.43 | miksuh | wery |
| 03:29.45 | miksuh | damn typos |
| 03:30.18 | pl4yer0ne | very there cut and paste that miksuh =D |
| 03:30.20 | deb-eater | Orchid1: Their is a graphical user interface on the live installation cds for gnome, xfce. lxde and kde. |
| 03:30.22 | Orchid1 | silly thing is distrowatch mentions how ubuntu is financed by a millionare and its based on debian...that got me wondering on what to choose. i think i should go with debian. |
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| 03:30.34 | miksuh | Orchid1: debian lenny has gui installer, you can select it from the inastaller menu |
| 03:30.40 | nsadmin | etzerd there are lots of ways to install... see: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 03:30.53 | etzerd | miksuh: my laptop is a Lenovo Y530 which is a 64 bit machine, should I download the 4 bit version instead |
| 03:31.14 | miksuh | do you mean 32bit ? :) |
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| 03:31.37 | etzerd | right now I have ubuntu installed, I just want to give Debian a try since I never use Debian before. |
| 03:31.40 | miksuh | 4 bit version sounds a bit weird :) |
| 03:32.06 | nsadmin | that's for a 4004, right? :) |
| 03:32.09 | Orchid1 | what would be the space debian would take approx. in a custom install. with kde and mininmum packages without depedency and have stuff like firefox and vlc... |
| 03:32.43 | deb-eater | Orchid1: any where from 2 to 6GB |
| 03:32.51 | izzyb | Orchid1, I'd try them both and choose from there. debian lenny is the current release |
| 03:32.51 | izzyb | I've installed it as a desktop for a customer and was reasonably happy with it |
| 03:32.51 | izzyb | I use Kubuntu for my desktop because I wanted to play with the Compiz stuff and the previous release of debian didn't work very well with it |
| 03:32.51 | izzyb | at least I couldn't get it working |
| 03:32.51 | izzyb | I haven't had a chance to try compiz under debian lenny |
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| 03:32.53 | nsadmin | install and then df :) |
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| 03:33.30 | Orchid1 | cause i installe/not live cd fedora 10 to my 4gb usb drive...so was hoping to do the same. |
| 03:33.41 | izzyb | chuckles |
| 03:33.43 | deb-eater | Lenny + 5.0 |
| 03:33.51 | izzyb | I guess I typed fast enough to kick in the bot |
| 03:34.03 | izzyb | got kicked for pasting |
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| 03:34.29 | deb-eater | Lenny = 5.0? |
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| 03:34.39 | know1 | how does one get up to 2.6.29 kernel already? :p |
| 03:34.52 | nsadmin | yeep |
| 03:35.09 | Orchid1 | i am primarily a windows uses new to linux and so have a question...dont u guys ever have a proble like wanting a certain application thats robust and highen and say its available for windows and not on linux. |
| 03:35.37 | slestak | hey guys, is there a way i can use sneakernet to do an apt update? my new install needs a kernel upgrade to fix my b44 nic module. |
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| 03:36.19 | subsume | My fresh debian install doesn't fill up all of my HD TV screen. I looked at resolution options in the GUI but no dice. Anyone recommend something? |
| 03:36.22 | izzyb | Orchid1, I haven't had to boot a windows machine for years now. Only thing I can't do in linux so far is my taxes |
| 03:36.34 | izzyb | just doesn't seem to be a good linux program for that yet |
| 03:36.43 | slestak | i see how i can get a wget text input file, but i dont see how i can update my cache to let apt know of new packages available with no nic. |
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| 03:37.27 | izzyb | Orchid1, I often find myself wishing I had programs I use all the time in linux that aren't available in windows though |
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| 03:37.41 | izzyb | at lest not built in |
| 03:37.55 | Orchid1 | izzyb, i do a lot of video converting/encoding...i like tools like pro code/episode...can u recomend any software similar for fedora/debian. |
| 03:37.58 | deb-eater | Orchid1: Ther are API laywers such as Crodeweavers cross over office and wine that allow you to run propriatary windows software like office, adobre cs and other closed source software |
| 03:38.09 | deb-eater | on linux |
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| 03:38.26 | Orchid1 | willl they run any windows app. |
| 03:38.57 | slestak | Orchid1: not competely, tmmv |
| 03:39.05 | slestak | s/tmmv/ymmv |
| 03:39.24 | gpm | for a sec i thought you might've meant though mileage may vary |
| 03:39.38 | slestak | guess it works |
| 03:39.51 | gpm | yeah, though i don't think it'll ever become a thing |
| 03:40.15 | slestak | can someone help me figure out how to do an offline apt-get update? |
| 03:40.20 | nsadmin | to become.... |
| 03:40.29 | gpm | slestak: um... |
| 03:40.30 | nsadmin | the unthingable thing... |
| 03:40.33 | gpm | i don't think that's possible |
| 03:40.35 | Orchid1 | tmmv a video converter |
| 03:40.45 | gpm | unless your software sources are CDs :) |
| 03:41.02 | slestak | you mean to say apt based distros cannot exist without a nic? |
| 03:41.17 | gpm | they can of course exist |
| 03:41.23 | nsadmin | sure they can\ |
| 03:41.39 | gpm | but updating the software lists involves connecting to the internet |
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| 03:41.51 | nsadmin | but it would be slow to upgrade on a modem (for example) |
| 03:41.54 | slestak | my nic worked with older kernel, but 2.6.27-9 broke it. -10 has it fixed |
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| 03:42.44 | gpm | that's a pain. you could grab -10 on another computer and put the package onto a usb key |
| 03:42.54 | gpm | then dpkg -i it |
| 03:43.11 | gpm | that's what i do for firmware-ralink, which i need to use my wireless dongle |
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| 03:43.31 | slestak | i considered that, but for a kernel, ther are at least 3 other packages ne3eded right. will dpkg -i warn me of other packaged necessary? |
| 03:43.53 | slestak | i will need restricted-modules and possibly headers |
| 03:44.07 | gpm | restricted-modules is not in debian, it's in ubuntu |
| 03:44.20 | slestak | dang,,, im outed :) |
| 03:44.28 | gpm | hahaha |
| 03:44.45 | gpm | well then yes you'd need to grab the deps |
| 03:44.47 | gpm | as well |
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| 03:45.31 | slestak | will dpkg let me know the unmet deps, or will i need to figure that out myself? |
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| 03:45.38 | gpm | no, it'll tell you |
| 03:45.45 | gpm | when you try to dpkg -i |
| 03:45.51 | vimpulse | slestak: apt-zip or certain competing tools are supposed to help you find out the deps, but I've never tried such tools. Or start any distro from a liveCD then chroot into /mnt/yourharddrive |
| 03:46.00 | deb-eater | Ice dove is a very nice email client, I just wish that their was a windows port of it due to the fact that my lenovo 3000 N500 has a wireless network adapter that is a pain to get working in distributions other than ubuntu |
| 03:46.16 | gpm | deb-eater: icedove is rebranded thunderbird |
| 03:46.20 | gpm | there is a windows port |
| 03:46.23 | slestak | i havent loked at icedove |
| 03:46.31 | vimpulse | deb-eater: so why use Windows? just use ubuntu. |
| 03:46.37 | gpm | that's because you're on ubuntu where they have thunderbird |
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| 03:48.15 | deb-eater | vimpulse: I would go to Ubuntu but I like Debian better, and My music library is all itune which means investing in Switch audio file converstion sofware. |
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| 03:48.53 | vimpulse | deb-eater: but you prefer Windows over Ubuntu right? |
| 03:49.04 | slestak | thx guys for the help |
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| 03:49.55 | deb-eater | vimpulse: The only problem is that My prep logic test preporation softweare is incompatible with wine or cross over office. |
| 03:50.25 | vimpulse | deb-eater: could you please point me to its Wine AppDB entry? |
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| 03:51.43 | deb-eater | vimpulse: that just the problem prep logic doesn't ssupport their software on linux. |
| 03:52.01 | vimpulse | deb-eater: could you please point me to the Prep Logic entry on the Wine AppDB website? |
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| 03:52.21 | vimpulse | deb-eater: if any. Else please tell me one doesn't exist |
| 03:52.24 | deb-eater | vimpulse: There isn't one |
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| 03:52.31 | Orchid1 | when i enable desktop effects - my display goes blank.ia dialog box appears two time that brings it back. i tried changing the settings, but the third time no dialog box appears to bring back the display. just a blank screen.v |
| 03:52.53 | vimpulse | deb-eater: why doesn't prep logic install or run on Wine? |
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| 03:54.59 | deb-eater | vimpulse: I am insttalling wine right now anfd will give it a try and keep you posted as to any events needing attention |
| 03:55.18 | vimpulse | deb-eater: ok. i will be in #winehq awaiting your comments |
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| 03:56.35 | mules666_ | hallo |
| 03:56.56 | subsume | My fresh debian install doesn't fill up all of my HD TV screen. I looked at resolution options in the GUI but no dice. Anyone recommend something? |
| 03:56.57 | vimpulse | hi |
| 03:57.11 | mules666_ | kanst du spenden bitte |
| 03:57.16 | vimpulse | !de |
| 03:57.16 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment: http://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment |
| 03:58.03 | mules666_ | ich bin seit 6 stunden erst aktiv |
| 04:00.03 | vimpulse | mules666_: please speak English, we do not understand German. Use Google Translate if you must. |
| 04:00.43 | mules666_ | oh schit |
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| 04:00.59 | vimpulse | deb-eater: btw which debian are you using? stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 04:01.14 | vimpulse | deb-eater: also, are you using the Debian Wine or upstream wine .debs? |
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| 04:03.45 | deb-eater | vimpulse: I am using the wine in the mirrior .anl.gov repository |
| 04:04.08 | deb-eater | on 5.0 |
| 04:04.08 | vimpulse | deb-eater: you did not answer either of my questions :) |
| 04:04.32 | vimpulse | deb-eater: ah, so etch (stable)? |
| 04:04.51 | deb-eater | yes etch stable |
| 04:05.03 | deb-eater | with Linux freebird 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 17:46:45 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:05.15 | Orchid1 | guys i am trying to download nvidia drivers. when i click "accept" in the lic agreement , instead of downloading some .pkg.run file, it opens the file like text in a new tab. |
| 04:06.16 | vimpulse | Orchid1: you should not use a web browser to download the nvidia drivers. |
| 04:06.22 | vimpulse | !nvidia one-liner |
| 04:06.22 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 04:07.27 | KC | whats the mount command for usb devices? |
| 04:07.59 | vimpulse | KC: it depends. what command did you try already and didn't work? |
| 04:08.28 | KC | mount /dev/usb |
| 04:08.41 | KC | wait, never mind |
| 04:08.43 | deb-eater | KC: mount -t fat32 /dev/sdX where x is the device name |
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| 04:09.39 | rabies | hi |
| 04:09.50 | rabies | whats up? |
| 04:09.59 | vimpulse | hi |
| 04:10.05 | vimpulse | KC: why never mind? :) |
| 04:10.21 | rabies | can |
| 04:10.45 | rabies | test? |
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| 04:11.38 | subsume | My fresh debian install doesn't fill up all of my HD TV screen. I looked at resolution options in the GUI but no dice. Anyone recommend something? |
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| 04:13.57 | KC | viezerd: KDE did the mount for me after I asked nicely |
| 04:14.34 | KC | vimpulse rather |
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| 04:15.19 | vimpulse | KC: good. how did you get it to mount it? |
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| 04:17.17 | bluethundr_ | I am having trouble with the debian installer. I want to create a combination of static partitions and lvm partitions. however, if you choose manual partition, it does not offer lvm. if you choose guided lvm there is no static configuration options. suggestions? |
| 04:17.53 | vimpulse | bluethundr_: why do you need a combo of static and lvm partitions? |
| 04:18.30 | KC | vimpulse: It pops up a thing that offers to open it in a new window, you open it and it automounts |
| 04:18.42 | bluethundr_ | I want to create a small ro /boot partition, a static root partition and the rest in lvm so I have the flexibility to impose quotas and alter sizes as needs become apparent due to usage |
| 04:18.59 | vimpulse | KC: ah cool. |
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| 04:19.01 | KC | the sony 505 is partly linux compatible though ^^ |
| 04:19.09 | vimpulse | bluethundr_: how many users do you have? |
| 04:19.12 | KC | at least enough to put books on it |
| 04:19.19 | vimpulse | bluethundr_: *will you be supporting |
| 04:19.29 | bluethundr_ | 25 developers |
| 04:19.47 | bluethundr_ | the site will server over a 1000 within a month |
| 04:20.05 | bluethundr_ | serve* |
| 04:20.29 | bluethundr_ | within 3 months we will have a pool of 5,000 beta users |
| 04:20.43 | vimpulse | bluethundr_: why not put everything on LVM? |
| 04:20.53 | bluethundr_ | within a year the development team expects usage of the site to climb to over 1,00,000 users per month |
| 04:21.20 | bluethundr_ | good question. can I make /boot a small ro partition using LVM? |
| 04:21.56 | bluethundr_ | and the only way I see to add an lvm partition is as guided.. no flexibility to size as I want |
| 04:22.01 | vimpulse | bluethundr_: I don't know; I have never used LVM. Anyone know? |
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| 04:22.44 | valdyn | bluethundr_: skip the lvm stuff, make it later |
| 04:23.16 | oh_noes | Hello, anyone familiar with debian package creation? I have .deb file but my preinst or postinst arent doing what I expect during an 'apt-get install'. |
| 04:23.20 | bluethundr_ | oh, ok. what tool do I use to create lvm after the system is installed? there will be no gui. |
| 04:23.32 | vimpulse | oh_noes: see irc.oftc.net #debian-mentors |
| 04:23.32 | oh_noes | is it possible to run apt-get update with verboe logging so i can see which scripts are being called and there output? |
| 04:23.40 | oh_noes | thx! |
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| 04:23.50 | bluethundr_ | I'm assuming I want to create the directories I want as volumes using that tool and delete the directories from the root partition |
| 04:24.11 | valdyn | bluethundr_: aptitude install lvm; man lvm |
| 04:24.22 | bluethundr_ | ;) danke |
| 04:25.11 | vimpulse | bluethundr_: maybe there is a GUI or TUI. if you want one, you should search or ask. But I think you should learn to use the command-line LVM tools; they will be all you have when booted from a rescue CD. |
| 04:25.43 | bluethundr_ | sounds good. I prefer command line and have no use for gui on a server |
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| 04:49.09 | vimpulse | ]Dear all: I'm running an extra-mixed system. I'm trying to use module-assistant to build the VirtualBox OSE 2.1.4 kernel module, since AFAICT even the "virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.26-1-686" package in experimental is too old. But m-a list lists nothing VirtualBox-related. Can I use m-a to build the module? |
| 04:50.03 | vimpulse | (I have VBox 2.1.4 but the modules in experimental are for 2.1.2.) |
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| 04:51.06 | hark | vimpulse: m-a a-i virtualbox-ose |
| 04:53.58 | vimpulse | hark: unpack: The source tarball could not be found! [two lines cut] |
| 04:53.58 | vimpulse | "/usr/share/modass/packages/default.sh" build KVERS=2.6.26-1-686 KSRC=/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build KDREV=2.6.26-13 kdist_image |
| 04:53.58 | vimpulse | find: `/usr/src/modules/virtualbox*': No such file or directory |
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| 04:55.23 | hark | try m-a a-i virtualbox-ose-source |
| 04:56.05 | vimpulse | hark: ah, it's working. Thank you very much. |
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| 04:56.49 | hark | np |
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| 04:58.49 | vimpulse | So it looks like m-a will successfully build the VirtualBox modules. So why does "m-a list" list nothing VirtualBox-related? |
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| 05:04.30 | nsadmin | vimpulse the deal is, that module sources buildable by m-a have been altered so they build the packages |
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| 05:05.11 | nsadmin | supposedly any module package that was debianized can be built by m-a, not just the ones it lists |
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| 05:09.18 | vimpulse | nsadmin: makes sense. it built the module in virtualbox-ose-source perfectly. |
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| 05:10.36 | nsadmin | if you have debianized module source trees in /usr/src/modules, then make-kpkg modules_image will build em all |
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| 05:17.56 | know1 | anybody know why things would be looking for a device in /dev/dev/name instead of /dev/name ? |
| 05:18.08 | know1 | automounting system, etc. |
| 05:20.01 | nsadmin | your devfs is mounted on /dev/dev? |
| 05:20.27 | nsadmin | and if you're using uuids, it just finds it whereever it is |
| 05:20.30 | know1 | devfs, that's still around? |
| 05:20.55 | know1 | ah udevd, whew |
| 05:21.00 | know1 | thought I was in a time warp for a second |
| 05:21.26 | nsadmin | lets do the time warp again hen |
| 05:21.37 | vimpulse | lol |
| 05:21.38 | know1 | let's not, I remember the dark days of devfs |
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| 05:22.43 | enouf | it's just a jump to the left ... |
| 05:23.56 | simonrvn | ...and a step to the riii-iight |
| 05:24.20 | enouf | put your hands on your hips .... |
| 05:24.56 | nsadmin | cool :) I made the whole channel dance :) |
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| 05:25.03 | simonrvn | and bring your knees in tii-iight |
| 05:25.11 | enouf | \o/ |
| 05:25.25 | simonrvn | hey! "and it's..." |
| 05:25.39 | enouf | loves the pelvic thrust! ;-) |
| 05:25.47 | simonrvn | heheheh |
| 05:26.17 | ajavid | uhm |
| 05:26.18 | ajavid | hm |
| 05:26.31 | ajavid | whats going on |
| 05:26.33 | enouf | stoned cookies!@ |
| 05:26.42 | ajavid | :D |
| 05:27.10 | simonrvn | ajavid: hint, "time warp", brad & janet, and frankenfurter. |
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| 05:27.36 | vimpulse | ajavid: people are typing the lyrics to a catchy song. |
| 05:27.54 | ajavid | *sneeze* |
| 05:28.02 | simonrvn | try "RHPS" in google ;) |
| 05:28.04 | enouf | er soundtrack |
| 05:28.11 | ajavid | man |
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| 05:30.42 | simonrvn | thinks ajavid needs to grow some sense of humour ;) |
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| 05:32.02 | KineticBug | I'm trying to overwrite a nohup output file as a program is running to try and reduce the filesize |
| 05:32.14 | KineticBug | But it seems to be adding padding to the file to retain the size? |
| 05:32.22 | velofille | holy moly lotta people here :) |
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| 05:32.24 | gpogo | does anyone here use rubyripper? |
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| 05:32.51 | nsadmin | I know! I know! |
| 05:32.54 | vimpulse | gpogo: what is rubyripper, and what is your question? |
| 05:33.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | is there a tool purely for querying the bts? like reportbug, but without the bug reporting bits? |
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| 05:33.22 | nsadmin | gpogo: you do! |
| 05:33.41 | vimpulse | lol |
| 05:34.09 | vimpulse | Kamping_Kaiser: IIRC apt_listbugs, but why do you want that? |
| 05:34.55 | simonrvn | krefik_: querybts |
| 05:35.00 | simonrvn | Kamping_Kaiser: ^^^ |
| 05:35.04 | simonrvn | krefik_: sorry |
| 05:35.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | vimpulse, to look at a bug report ;) |
| 05:35.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | simonrvn, bril. cheers mate. |
| 05:35.23 | vimpulse | Kamping_Kaiser: use the web :) |
| 05:35.24 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 05:36.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | vimpulse, I'm looking for a leaner way to look at bugs :) (and i havent got the email interface worked out yet) |
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| 05:36.48 | melik | is there a command to find the uptime record? |
| 05:37.16 | SunnyDP | melik: cool nickname, uptime history ? |
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| 05:38.15 | SunnyDP | melik: the current record for longest uptime is 11 years, 303 days, 20 hours and 57 minutes on a computer running OpenVMS |
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| 05:38.37 | melik | well :/ what i meant was the uptime record for my computer |
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| 05:39.18 | bluethundr_ | pvcreate is not on my system. I need it to create PE's for my LVM. I looked for it by aptitude search pvcreate and turned up nothing. suggestions? |
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| 05:40.14 | bluethundr_ | vgcreate is there. but I need to issue pvcreate before I can use it |
| 05:40.33 | SunnyDP | melik: have a look here :D http://freshmeat.net/screenshots/dc/43/dc43b99359f321de3c035dcebdb803e8_medium.jpg?1237045998 |
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| 05:40.47 | SunnyDP | melik: looks like excatly what you need |
| 05:41.13 | melik | ill give it a shot SunnyDP, thanks :D |
| 05:41.53 | SunnyDP | melik: i just installed it through apt-get |
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| 05:42.23 | SunnyDP | melik: sudo apt-get install uptimed |
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| 05:42.30 | KineticBug | I've got a script that outputs to a file using nohup, the problem is after a while the file becomes huge, like, a few gb huge. I've tried to clear the file and overwrite it with null, but it seems nohup or something is padding the file out to its original size agai, I've tried deleting the file and making a new one, but then nohup stops outputting to the file... Halp!? |
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| 05:43.29 | SunnyDP | melik: once installed, you can run uptimed or you can also run uprecords |
| 05:43.31 | SunnyDP | :D |
| 05:43.52 | melik | thanks SunnyDP, its EXACTLY what i was looking for |
| 05:44.03 | SunnyDP | melik : :D:D:D:D |
| 05:44.26 | SunnyDP | melik: -> 1 0 days, 00:18:25 |
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| 05:44.33 | SunnyDP | melik: what is yours ? |
| 05:44.42 | melik | NewRec 1 day , 23:31:59 | since Tue Mar 31 23:11:23 2009 |
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| 05:45.16 | melik | almost 2 days |
| 05:45.35 | SunnyDP | melik: LOL |
| 05:45.53 | SunnyDP | melik: did you see the OpenVMS with 11 years uptime ? |
| 05:46.03 | CryptoMole | exit |
| 05:46.11 | CryptoMole | quit |
| 05:46.21 | SunnyDP | melik: ctrl+F for OpenVMS : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uptime |
| 05:46.23 | melik | thats insane. :$ |
| 05:46.23 | vimpulse | CryptoMole: see www.irchelp.org for more help |
| 05:46.30 | vimpulse | CryptoMole: you want /quit here. |
| 05:46.46 | CryptoMole | i need help with debian |
| 05:47.00 | vimpulse | CryptoMole: we all can use a little help sometimes. |
| 05:47.01 | SunnyDP | CryptoMole: ask |
| 05:47.07 | CryptoMole | ok |
| 05:47.21 | vimpulse | CryptoMole: welcome to IRC. Please ask your question on one long long line. |
| 05:47.59 | CryptoMole | I reinstalled lately and have a host of boot up kernel errors refering to /etc/modprobe/acpi |
| 05:48.20 | CryptoMole | i am on a t60 thinkpad |
| 05:48.29 | KC | I hate acpi... |
| 05:48.37 | vimpulse | CryptoMole: Remember, one long long line. Also, do not say "ok" to tell us you heard, because that will be printed on 868 people's IRC clients. Never paste more than 3 lines in-channel, use pastebin.com. :) That's the short intro to IRC. |
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| 05:48.58 | CryptoMole | cool |
| 05:49.14 | worr | anyone ever worked with a sun netra? |
| 05:49.43 | CryptoMole | mabe i can pastebin when i have a working desktop |
| 05:50.03 | vimpulse | CryptoMole: so just type out a line or two for us manually |
| 05:50.18 | CryptoMole | right on. |
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| 05:50.40 | CryptoMole | the error is giving refernce to |
| 05:50.45 | CryptoMole | acpi |
| 05:50.48 | vimpulse | CryptoMole: please remember: do not press Enter in mid-line!! |
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| 05:51.18 | CryptoMole | im sorry |
| 05:51.23 | Ohan | guys, anyone could tell me how to use the preseeding with initrd for sparc install? |
| 05:51.26 | SunnyDP | worr: you should go to #solaris |
| 05:51.34 | Ohan | i don't have a clue where i should put the preseed file |
| 05:51.54 | Ohan | (it says in the root folder of the initrd, but there's only a boot.img for my pxe install) |
| 05:52.02 | vimpulse | CryptoMole: no need to say sorry; just don't do the mistake again. this is not a one-on-one conversation, it is a conversation shared across *eight hundred* computers. :) |
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| 05:52.15 | worr | SunnyDP: ok, thanks |
| 05:52.29 | CryptoMole | i am aware of what irc is. |
| 05:52.35 | melik | SunnyDP, |
| 05:52.36 | melik | Rumours mention in January 2008 that Iarnród Éireann had an OpenVMS machine up for 18 years,[1] which was restarted just for Y2K tests. |
| 05:52.42 | SunnyDP | melik: ?\ |
| 05:54.04 | CryptoMole | ok I have multiple lines of kernel errors referring to /etc/modprobe/acpi what do i do. |
| 05:54.37 | Tully- | acpi=off :P |
| 05:55.13 | CryptoMole | tully ive never turned acpi off on this machine |
| 05:55.19 | Tully- | try nao |
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| 05:55.54 | CryptoMole | nao? what is that |
| 05:56.58 | KC | how would I create a pdf from a series of scans? |
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| 05:57.07 | KC | pdftk doesn't seem to do that |
| 05:57.13 | megatog615 | has anyone seen this bug: |
| 05:57.14 | megatog615 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/327499 |
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| 05:57.38 | megatog615 | or, does anyone else have an inspiron 2650 lying around? |
| 05:57.54 | megatog615 | or any other inspiron of that era |
| 05:58.26 | CryptoMole | isnt that dell? |
| 05:58.32 | megatog615 | yeah |
| 05:58.40 | cavebc | hey can anybody help me edit my source list in sidux? |
| 05:58.43 | CryptoMole | new or older? |
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| 05:58.49 | bluethundr_ | when I issue pvcreate /dev/sda3 I get the response 'Can't open /dev/sda3 exclusively. Mounted filesystem?' |
| 05:58.55 | megatog615 | 2.6 kernels >2.6.27 aren't booting on them |
| 05:59.03 | megatog615 | CryptoMole: very old |
| 05:59.12 | megatog615 | CryptoMole: maybe 2003-ish? |
| 05:59.12 | CryptoMole | oh ok. |
| 05:59.26 | CryptoMole | oh like my compaq |
| 05:59.28 | megatog615 | CryptoMole: runs great still though, lol |
| 05:59.45 | megatog615 | why upgrade if i am content with what i got? lol |
| 06:00.24 | OpenTokix | bluethundr_: Are you using sda3? Or did you umount and remake the partition or is the partition new? |
| 06:00.32 | CryptoMole | this thinkpad used to run debian great till latley |
| 06:00.35 | OpenTokix | bluethundr_: Sometimes the partition table can't be updated live. |
| 06:00.42 | bluethundr_ | I just created the partition in fdisk |
| 06:00.46 | bluethundr_ | 8e |
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| 06:00.56 | megatog615 | in fact i'd still be using my toshiba satellite 2595cdt if the battery wasn't so bad or didn't suffer from power issues :D |
| 06:01.07 | cavebc | hey can anybody help me edit my source list in sidux? |
| 06:01.14 | bluethundr_ | umount reports /dev/sda3: not mounted |
| 06:01.39 | CryptoMole | if its like debian i can |
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| 06:02.01 | bluethundr_ | ok. how do I bring the partition offline so I can update it? |
| 06:02.07 | cavebc | its based on th unstable sid |
| 06:02.14 | megatog615 | CryptoMole: have you tried 2.6.28 or 29 on your compaq? |
| 06:02.15 | vimpulse | cavebc: since it's a debian-based liveCD, try asking here. But do autojoin #sidux - they desperately need more users. |
| 06:02.41 | CryptoMole | no that runs xp my girlfrind uses it |
| 06:02.43 | vimpulse | cavebc: btw are you running off the liveCD or off an installed copy? |
| 06:03.04 | CryptoMole | im on a debian install |
| 06:03.06 | cavebc | installed kde lite |
| 06:03.07 | CryptoMole | no x |
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| 06:04.30 | CryptoMole | hey all could I possibly get rid of these kernel errors with sid |
| 06:05.18 | bluethundr_ | guys.. hate to pester but on a production deadline. any suggestions how to pvcreate /sda3 ? |
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| 06:06.35 | Nibbler_ | my e2fsck is shouting everytime i boot does it failed because the device was mounted already, is there a way to turn it off ? |
| 06:06.39 | cavebc | having trouble finding sidux channel |
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| 06:06.56 | Pulpie | how come gstreamer 10.0 is in testing? |
| 06:07.10 | Pulpie | it should be AT LEAST 0.10.3 |
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| 06:09.02 | zhangweiwu | Hi. I switched to Debian. We use hub-based ethernet here, I miss the Windows tools I used to use to track traffic, e.g. which PC is taking most of the bandwidth. |
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| 06:09.20 | zhangweiwu | Will you recommend a tool in Debian for that? I only need to know bandwidth consumption, not to track each packet. |
| 06:09.47 | Pulpie | zhangweiwu: how do you seperate ifconfig alias per connection from computer? |
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| 06:09.51 | Pulpie | erm |
| 06:09.58 | Pulpie | zhangweiwu: -how at the beginning |
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| 06:10.36 | zhangweiwu | zhangweiwu: ??? I don't separate ifconfig. I hope you got me: we use hub-based ethernet, which means I can sniff all packets on PC around and tell bandwidth usage of other PC. |
| 06:10.59 | Pulpie | oh the hub isn't using debian... |
| 06:11.04 | Pulpie | i read that wrong |
| 06:11.10 | zhangweiwu | Pulpie: I only use a single IP address and did not use alias. |
| 06:11.25 | zhangweiwu | Pulpie: a hub is not a host because it sits on layer 2 of the OSI model |
| 06:11.31 | Nibbler_ | you can use the basic embeded one... the ipstack .. i dont remember the ocmmand , and there is wireshark |
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| 06:12.04 | Pulpie | zhangweiwu: i never said it was a host. |
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| 06:12.39 | Pulpie | zhangweiwu: i thought you wanted to connect to the hub and see the packets there but you want to sniff packets. |
| 06:12.43 | Zyferus | or Snort |
| 06:13.14 | Pulpie | ugh this is killingme |
| 06:13.23 | zhangweiwu | Nibbler_: eeem. wireshark seems overkill to me. I only want to find out which PC is taking up the bandwidth and ask him what's wrong with him. But anyway, I'll try a bit see if I can find an more entry level tool or start the learning curve for wireshark |
| 06:13.29 | Pulpie | what the fuck isn't gstreamer updated in the repos |
| 06:13.37 | Nibbler_ | try dsniff |
| 06:13.53 | Pulpie | s/what/why/ |
| 06:14.00 | Zyferus | IPTraf |
| 06:14.05 | Nibbler_ | http://packages.debian.org/de/etch/dsniff |
| 06:14.40 | zhangweiwu | Zyferus: IPTraf looks really easy, thanks. I'll check that. |
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| 06:21.27 | zhangweiwu | Zyferus: yes it works for me, now I have it running. thanks |
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| 06:27.57 | Nibbler_ | my e2fsck is shouting everytime i boot does it failed because the device was mounted already, is there a way to turn it off ? |
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| 06:34.30 | phrearch | hello |
| 06:34.53 | phrearch | i removed mono, and compiled it from source, but its in /usr/local/bin now, instead of /usr/bin |
| 06:35.15 | phrearch | that dir is in the path, but when i use the mono command, it references still back to /usr/bin/mono |
| 06:35.21 | phrearch | -bash: /usr/bin/mono: No such file or directory |
| 06:35.52 | phrearch | any idea if its a leftover symlink or? |
| 06:35.55 | Nibbler_ | you should use /usr/local/bin |
| 06:36.08 | Nibbler_ | otherwise you point into an empty space |
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| 06:36.34 | Nibbler_ | while you told us its in /usr/local/bin , your calling currently /usr/bin/ |
| 06:37.16 | phrearch | yes, but as far i know it uses the paths to get the right executable |
| 06:37.28 | Nibbler_ | give me the echo from PATH |
| 06:37.30 | Nibbler_ | echo PATH |
| 06:37.44 | phrearch | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 06:38.12 | phrearch | /usr/local/bin/mono works |
| 06:38.19 | phrearch | but not just mono :/ |
| 06:38.45 | Nibbler_ | it could be because |
| 06:39.02 | Nibbler_ | hmm your using not / everywhere on the end |
| 06:39.35 | phrearch | you think the path is wrong? |
| 06:39.56 | phrearch | its default in /etc/profile |
| 06:39.56 | Nibbler_ | wait a sec |
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| 06:39.58 | phrearch | k |
| 06:40.18 | phrearch | :q |
| 06:40.22 | phrearch | opos |
| 06:40.24 | phrearch | oops |
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| 06:40.43 | Nibbler_ | whats wrong? |
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| 06:40.59 | insource | hi |
| 06:41.13 | phrearch | ow, vi output :) |
| 06:41.24 | Nibbler_ | phrearch: is the file executeable in the new directory ? what about the file permissions |
| 06:41.42 | phrearch | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 7643091 Apr 3 06:22 mono |
| 06:41.45 | insource | anybody know a site that explains how to swap ctrl and caps lokc keys for console? |
| 06:41.49 | insource | NOT X |
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| 06:42.03 | phrearch | i guess permissions are fine |
| 06:42.42 | Nibbler_ | phrearch: your running it as root or as a member of staff? |
| 06:42.56 | phrearch | as root |
| 06:43.19 | Nibbler_ | i think your path looks ok.. |
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| 06:43.39 | insource | nobody? |
| 06:43.44 | Nibbler_ | but you can try to backup your path variable into another one... and assign just the path of mono to it , |
| 06:43.54 | insource | I thought debian users where more hakcers |
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| 06:44.04 | insource | this is a real letdown |
| 06:44.16 | vimpulse | phrearch: i have to go, but try running the bash builtin command rehash. |
| 06:44.17 | Nibbler_ | dont spamm , just wait until somebody gives you a return insource |
| 06:44.23 | vimpulse | phrearch: does it work? |
| 06:44.30 | vimpulse | phrearch: then run mono again |
| 06:44.39 | phrearch | rehash? |
| 06:44.44 | insource | ok |
| 06:44.45 | vimpulse | phrearch: rehash |
| 06:44.46 | ninjah76 | where r u from man? |
| 06:44.58 | insource | sits waiting |
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| 06:45.11 | phrearch | not a valid command it seems |
| 06:45.24 | phrearch | will google it. thanks anyway vimpulse |
| 06:45.37 | vimpulse | phrearch: are you using the bash shell? |
| 06:45.39 | phrearch | Nibbler_, it must be a symlink :/ |
| 06:45.43 | phrearch | vimpulse: yes |
| 06:45.54 | Nibbler_ | phrearch: so stupid :P.. |
| 06:46.07 | Nibbler_ | insource: did you have a look at this http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Altering_or_Creating_Keyboard_Maps |
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| 06:46.38 | vimpulse | phrearch: oops, i should've said: hash -r |
| 06:47.03 | phrearch | hey that worked :D |
| 06:47.06 | phrearch | awesome |
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| 06:47.09 | vimpulse | phrearch: good :) |
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| 06:47.21 | phrearch | good, mono 2.4 finally :) |
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| 06:47.40 | vimpulse | bluethundr_: that's ok, you can always repeat your question every 5-10 min as long as it's scrolled offscreen. you can also crosspaste to ##linux or ##unix. |
| 06:47.41 | phrearch | i need to remember that command |
| 06:47.42 | phrearch | thanks |
| 06:47.57 | vimpulse | phrearch: you're welcome. |
| 06:47.57 | insource | Nibbler_: thanks |
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| 06:51.13 | Stargazer84 | hello |
| 06:51.51 | Stargazer84 | is there a way to migrate from an ext3 usb installation to an lvm encrypted without reinstalling? |
| 06:51.55 | Nibbler_ | my e2fsck is shouting everytime i boot does it failed because the device was mounted already, is there a way to turn it off ? |
| 06:52.27 | OpenTokix | Nibbler_: tune2fs ? |
| 06:53.06 | Nibbler_ | hmm does this takes it out of the boot process? |
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| 06:54.58 | sobersabre | hi guys, I need to install File::Basename perl module. is there a debian package for it ? |
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| 06:56.04 | Nibbler_ | sobersabre: usually it is like libFile-Basename-perl |
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| 06:56.25 | sobersabre | Nibbler_: I tried this pattern, apt-cache basename perl |
| 06:56.27 | nardul | Which package delivers the 'mail' command? |
| 06:56.30 | sobersabre | sorry search |
| 06:56.37 | Nibbler_ | sobersabre: you can also search it by using apt-get search | egrep perl |
| 06:56.40 | sobersabre | apt-cache search basename perl |
| 06:57.19 | hark | nardul: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 06:57.31 | sobersabre | anyway, I think I'll have to install via cpan |
| 06:57.57 | Nibbler_ | did you do an apt-cache update ? |
| 06:58.23 | Nibbler_ | because it will just search in your cache.. if the sources are not good enough and not cached it will not really give you something |
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| 06:58.56 | visof | hello |
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| 06:59.49 | zxd | hi |
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| 07:00.00 | visof | i just installed debian 5, and the icon that show status of internet connection isn't there |
| 07:00.09 | visof | what should i do to show it ? |
| 07:00.16 | Nibbler_ | did you install gnome |
| 07:00.16 | zxd | something weird happened after upgrading to lenny init stops after rc.local and dosen't run login , i get no login prompt |
| 07:00.17 | OpenTokix | visof: It seems fine, since you are on the internet? |
| 07:00.17 | zxd | wtf |
| 07:00.19 | zxd | no console |
| 07:00.27 | visof | yeah |
| 07:00.41 | visof | i'm talking from it now |
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| 07:00.58 | Nibbler_ | so you just removed the notification are |
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| 07:02.04 | Nibbler_ | make a right click on your gnome pannel and say "add panel" and add the notification area |
| 07:02.20 | Nibbler_ | usually the gnome-network-applet is automatically there than |
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| 07:05.43 | hark | zxd: does disabling bootlogd help? |
| 07:05.52 | Nibbler_ | sobersabre: so you know how to install it via cpan console right ? |
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| 07:08.09 | hark | use dh-make-perl |
| 07:11.11 | zxd | hmm bootlogd let me check |
| 07:11.53 | zxd | hark: it isn't enabled |
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| 07:13.29 | sobersabre | Nibbler_: yes, thanks. |
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| 07:20.28 | zxd | so what to do what to do |
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| 07:31.26 | cmyers | hey all - I am running unstable on my desktop, and since recently upgrading, I am having some problems with cups. I have a network printer using a socket://x.x.x.x:9100 device URI. I can ping the printer, access it's embedded web server, etc. but trying to print anything via cups fails. Cups receives the jobs, says it is printing, but the printer never receives it. Any suggestions for my next debugging step? |
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| 07:32.57 | moz | hi |
| 07:33.12 | moz | I can't connect to my access-point with debian |
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| 07:59.52 | hashier_ | hej |
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| 08:00.27 | hashier_ | $ aptitude show openoffice.org shows something like Version: 1:2.4.1-1ubuntu2.1 what does the 1: stand for? |
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| 08:08.35 | moz | can anybody help me with my wireless conncetion? |
| 08:09.25 | RichiH | !help me |
| 08:09.30 | vkab | what kind of problem do you have? |
| 08:09.56 | RichiH | !help me is Please state the nature of the medical emergency. aka: We need more details in order to be able to help you |
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| 08:09.59 | RichiH | let's see if that works |
| 08:10.01 | RichiH | !help me |
| 08:10.07 | RichiH | hmm, no |
| 08:10.17 | Maior | ETHEBOTHASGONEAWAY? |
| 08:10.21 | RichiH | help is too valuable a keyword, it seems |
| 08:10.26 | RichiH | Maior: no |
| 08:10.40 | RichiH | !helpme is Please state the nature of the medical emergency. aka: We need more details in order to be able to help you |
| 08:10.41 | dpkg | ...but helpme is already something else... |
| 08:10.50 | RichiH | !helpme |
| 08:10.50 | vkab | define your problem first, then ask for help |
| 08:11.12 | RichiH | vkab: are you are bot or is that perfect timing? |
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| 08:11.44 | moz | vkab, in the icone on the top right of the screen I don't find anymore a list of access point |
| 08:12.06 | moz | vkab, at the moment I'm connected wired |
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| 08:13.44 | vkab | have you ever been connected through your wireless card? |
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| 08:14.14 | moz | vkab, yes |
| 08:14.53 | vkab | OK, so you don't have a problem with compatibility |
| 08:15.37 | moz | no, i don't |
| 08:16.07 | vkab | what about the singnal on the router? |
| 08:16.18 | moz | it's ok |
| 08:16.21 | amphi | moz: does 'ifconfig -a' show the interface? |
| 08:16.38 | vkab | are you able to connect to your router through another laptop? |
| 08:16.41 | moz | vkab, if i reboot with windows the wireless works fine |
| 08:17.04 | vkab | moz, OK |
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| 08:18.07 | vkab | yes, that's a good suggestion |
| 08:18.11 | Misterjos | hey, since vlc doesnt want to play avi files in lenny, is it a good idea to install the vlc version from unstable/testing on lenny? |
| 08:18.16 | moz | vkab, amphi : http://pastebin.com/d59f9b3e5 |
| 08:18.48 | vkab | check if the eth interface is working on your laptop |
| 08:19.48 | moz | vkab, of course it is working, i'm just connected through it |
| 08:19.49 | amphi | moz: looks like your driver is ok; does 'iwlist ath0 scan' show your AP? |
| 08:19.51 | hark | Misterjos: the lenny version works fine |
| 08:20.53 | moz | amphi, no, that's the problem. iwlist ath0 scan shows a lot of AP, but not mine |
| 08:20.53 | hark | Misterjos: just make sure that you are not using any debian-multimedia packages |
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| 08:21.33 | Misterjos | but dont i need them for the other multimedia applications hark? |
| 08:21.52 | Misterjos | vlc doesn't show video for avi files, only sound |
| 08:22.16 | amphi | moz: heh |
| 08:22.31 | hark | Misterjos: pastebin the output of aptitude search '~i~Ounoff' |
| 08:22.46 | moz | amphi, yes, it is so |
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| 08:23.58 | Misterjos | hark: http://pastebin.com/m51c02bdd |
| 08:24.00 | amphi | just use one of the others then ;) |
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| 08:24.27 | moz | amphi, but i don't have the passwords |
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| 08:24.51 | hark | Misterjos: apt-get install --reinstall libavcodec51=0.svn20080206-17 libavformat52=0.svn20080206-17 libavutil49=0.svn20080206-17 libpostproc51=0.svn20080206-17 libswscale0=0.svn20080206-17 |
| 08:24.52 | amphi | moz: I joke |
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| 08:25.29 | moz | amphi, me too |
| 08:25.31 | hark | Misterjos: then rm ~/.vlc/cache/plugins*dat |
| 08:25.44 | moz | amphi, what do you suggest then? |
| 08:25.51 | zagibu | my kvm + virt-manager setup fails to boot a just-installed winxp guest...it can't read the disk and boot off it |
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| 08:26.33 | mazzachre | Uhm, how do I install jdk1.6 on a debian machine? |
| 08:26.46 | hark | mazzachre: which version of debian? |
| 08:27.05 | hark | mazzachre: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 08:30.09 | Misterjos | it does work now hark, thx! |
| 08:30.17 | mazzachre | Uhm... how do I find out what version of debian is running? |
| 08:30.37 | OpenTokix | mazzachre: /etc/debian_version |
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| 08:30.50 | hark | great, then you have a choice.. use the official packages and remove dmm from your sources.list or maybe do some pinning or similar |
| 08:30.56 | OpenTokix | mazzachre: I also check /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net |
| 08:31.09 | mazzachre | (4.0) or Debian 4.1.1-21 (from proc/version) |
| 08:31.12 | OpenTokix | mazzachre: on unkown systems that is |
| 08:31.27 | mazzachre | thx |
| 08:32.02 | mazzachre | So.. a v4 debian... Is the default java virtual package a java6? (I need java6, java5 wont do) |
| 08:33.09 | hark | mazzachre: v5 is in etch. 6 will probably be in backports |
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| 08:35.43 | mazzachre | Well... I am not normally using debian... Is there a guide to installing a jdk6 (or even jre6) on a debian 4 somewhere? |
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| 08:37.55 | hark | mazzachre: the package name is sun-java6-jdk. /msg dpkg etch-backports |
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| 08:38.30 | hark | the browser plugin in sun-java6-plugin |
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| 08:38.49 | hark | ^in^is |
| 08:39.47 | mazzachre | I don't need browser plugin... it is a server not an X env... This is my first debian server in 4 years or so... So have forgotten most of it... Lets see... I have to add some backports mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list right? |
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| 08:40.15 | hark | just follow the factoid |
| 08:40.18 | hark | afk |
| 08:40.46 | mazzachre | ? |
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| 08:42.36 | mxmx | so i changed my php.ini, i rstarted apache, but the change didn take effect |
| 08:42.47 | mxmx | phpinfo also didnt change |
| 08:43.36 | mxmx | what am I doing wrong? |
| 08:44.25 | mazzachre | mxmx: Which php.ini you changed? |
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| 08:45.43 | mazzachre | Hmm... that seemed to work... |
| 08:45.46 | mxmx | usr/lib/ |
| 08:46.07 | mxmx | ./usr/local/lib |
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| 08:46.31 | mxmx | and also teh oen on zend/ |
| 08:46.33 | phrearch | hello |
| 08:46.44 | phrearch | is there a mono 2.2 package in the repos? |
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| 08:47.43 | TinyTine | hi |
| 08:47.47 | TinyTine | small question |
| 08:47.58 | TinyTine | i installed the build-essential group |
| 08:48.19 | TinyTine | but i am done compling so i want to remove the packages that where installed with build-essential |
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| 08:49.03 | TinyTine | but when i do a remove it doenst remove them |
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| 08:49.10 | TinyTine | anyone have an idea why ? |
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| 08:50.20 | mxmx | mazzachre? |
| 08:50.57 | TZander | I'm confused; I have both lenny and unstable in my sources and I have these pinning rules; http://rafb.net/p/q3DMgU19.html Why does an 'apt-get upgrade' want to install loads of packages from unstable?? |
| 08:51.03 | pbn | Hello, how can I tell Debian to always use the -o iocharset=iso8859-1 option when mounting the USB drive with uuid cafebabe ? |
| 08:51.52 | joltcan | pbn: You edit fstab and add it to the end of the line of that device. Google for more info about the fstab fields |
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| 08:52.57 | pif | hi, do I need fam on a mail server ? |
| 08:53.10 | pbn | joltcan: ok thank you... but in fstab.. I have to say it's for instance /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdc1 and so on... but it's not always on the same sda or sdb or sdc because I can have several mounted usb drives... ? |
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| 08:53.39 | OpenTokix | pbn: use uuid then |
| 08:53.50 | OpenTokix | uuid is unique per device |
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| 08:55.44 | MindRiot | clear |
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| 08:57.43 | joltcan | pif: some mailservers use fam to get a fast notification that some file is changed (fam=file alteration monitor), so it really depends on the server software |
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| 08:59.46 | zxd | fam or gamin |
| 09:00.44 | zxd | is upstart available in lenny? |
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| 09:02.28 | pif | joltcan: no real downside in using it then? |
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| 09:03.10 | Supaplex | sneezes *AHCHOO* |
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| 09:03.26 | Supaplex | ewps. :) |
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| 09:04.02 | aronofsky | hi guys, i need help tryin to interpret a tcpdump output, any chan where i could ask for help ? |
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| 09:07.17 | joltcan | pif: Nope, don't think so |
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| 09:07.35 | heroxbd | hi, on a Sid box. When I run crontab -e as a normal user it says ""crontab.HJtpju/crontab" E212: Can't open file for writing". What seems to be the problem? |
| 09:08.15 | Supaplex | heroxbd: is your /tmp goofy? |
| 09:08.41 | heroxbd | Supaplex: goofy? /tmp is in mode 777 |
| 09:08.59 | Supaplex | file system full? sticky bit set? |
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| 09:09.07 | Supaplex | try it as root? |
| 09:09.22 | heroxbd | Supaplex: as root there is no problem. |
| 09:09.45 | Supaplex | strace it as root, and figure out how it's creating the tmpfile. |
| 09:09.56 | heroxbd | Supaplex: fs is not full. what is sticky bit? suid? |
| 09:10.07 | Supaplex | normally you'd do this as the problematic user, but crontab is suid I believe. |
| 09:10.13 | Supaplex | !sticky bit |
| 09:10.13 | dpkg | [sticky bit] the "t" bit on /tmp. When set on a directory, it means that users cannot unlink anyone else's files (and a few other things). It has no effect on files in Linux or FreeBSD; on some other Unices it has another meaning, usually related to swapping or the page cache. |
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| 09:11.00 | heroxbd | Supaplex: Oh yes. the sticky bit is set. |
| 09:11.08 | Supaplex | that's a good thing. =) |
| 09:11.24 | Supaplex | anything in bts? |
| 09:11.48 | heroxbd | Supaplex: did not found anything interesting to me. |
| 09:12.19 | pbn | joltcan, OpenTokix : ok thanks uuid is great... unless two devices have the same uuid |
| 09:12.53 | joltcan | pbn: I think the point of the uuid is that they should be unique |
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| 09:14.16 | OpenTokix | pbn: To put these numbers into perspective, one's annual risk of being hit by a meteorite is estimated to be one chance in 17 billion [19], that means the probability is about 0.00000000006 (6 Ã 10â11), equivalent to the odds of creating a few tens of trillions of UUIDs in a year and having one duplicate. In other words, only after generating 1 billion UUIDs every second for the next 100 years, the probability of creating just one duplicate would be ... |
| 09:14.22 | OpenTokix | ... about 50%. The probability of one duplicate would be about 50% if every person on earth owns 600 million UUIDs. |
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| 09:14.38 | OpenTokix | pbn: However, these probabilities only hold for Cryptographically secure pseudorandom number generators. These must be used to generate the values, otherwise the probability of duplicates may be significantly higher, since the statistical dispersion may be lower. |
| 09:14.53 | heroxbd | Supaplex: It is pretty weird now. When I "strace crontab -e" as a normal user, it goes all right. But not when using only "crontab -e". |
| 09:15.05 | Maior | mmmm birthday paradox |
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| 09:17.39 | Supaplex | OpenTokix: that makes my brain HZ at this hour. :P |
| 09:18.42 | Supaplex | I think I'll call it a night. :) |
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| 09:26.27 | pbn | ok... well uuid is great... but... |
| 09:26.35 | pbn | that's not actually what I wanted.... |
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| 09:27.19 | pbn | lemme reformulate :) I would like Debian to mount all vfat filesystems with the option iocharset=iso8859-1 regardless of the UUID... how can I do that ? |
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| 09:31.20 | pbn | well hmmm it's "puzzling" |
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| 09:33.18 | yik | Hey. Anyone run Debian on a Dell PowerEdge 2650 and have experience with PERC 3i/Di? I need a configuration utility for the RAID card. |
| 09:34.32 | yik | I'm using the aacraid driver |
| 09:35.05 | maligor | pbn, you mean things like the automounter that works on usb devices? |
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| 09:36.56 | Maior | question - http://debian.org/intro/help has plenty of ways that require time (which I don't have, atm), but none involving money, which I do have atm - is there anything to which I can donate in the financial sense? |
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| 09:37.27 | yik | oh woot. Finally I got it working. I went through 5 different afacli's. The correct one for Debian Etch + PE 2650 + PERC 3i/Di is here: http://ftp.us.dell.com/scsi-raid/aacraid-util-rh8.0-i386.tar.gz |
| 09:37.57 | bzed | Maior: you can donate money via SPI - http://www.spi-inc.org/donations |
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| 09:38.47 | ulterior_modem | is there a channel for debian on mips archetecture? |
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| 09:41.18 | Maior | bzed: ah, fabulous, thanks |
| 09:42.13 | hachi | hi all, I'm trying to use: http://snapshot.debian.net/package/neon27 |
| 09:42.28 | hachi | but apt fails with: W: Failed to fetch http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/dists/pool/neon27/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 09:42.35 | blindy | how do i install fsck.jfs? |
| 09:42.43 | hachi | when I try to access that url manually, it doesn't work |
| 09:42.52 | hachi | does anyone know what the problem is? |
| 09:42.57 | bzed | blindy: search the package which contains the file, then install that package. |
| 09:43.07 | blindy | bzed apt bot is down |
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| 09:43.25 | Maior | blindy: apt-file search fsck.jfs, then apt-get install jfsutils (since that's what it gives you) |
| 09:43.26 | bzed | blindy: use apt-file or http://packages.debian.org |
| 09:43.39 | blindy | ok thanks, wasnt aware of those commands |
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| 09:46.04 | EagleScreen_ | hello is there any program to recovery files from a past ext3 filesystem? |
| 09:46.36 | JyZyXEL | what user does samba user accessing the shares? |
| 09:46.59 | JyZyXEL | what user does samba use when accessing the shares? |
| 09:47.22 | OpenTokix | JyZyXEL: root |
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| 09:47.58 | JyZyXEL | are you sure? |
| 09:48.04 | JyZyXEL | i cannot be able to share my home |
| 09:48.20 | JyZyXEL | wtf i mean im not able to share my home |
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| 09:50.15 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 09:50.45 | yareckon | anyone in germany have a recommendation for a german keyboard that has larger left and right shift keys (almost like U.S. style) |
| 09:50.47 | yareckon | ? |
| 09:51.41 | thetimoo | does anybody in here have a idea what might cause my debian lenny server to remount all filesystems as readonly ? |
| 09:51.48 | Shadur | thetimoo: dmesg |
| 09:51.50 | yareckon | the gf wants keyboard with umlauts, Z <-> Y swapped etc.. but shift keys are driving her nuts |
| 09:52.24 | ulterior_modem | yareckon, if she doesnt mind mechanical keyboards go with a german model m |
| 09:52.41 | thetimoo | Shadur: hmm. no :-/ that gives me an input/output error |
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| 09:52.50 | yareckon | that's IBM model m? Where do you ge tthose these days? |
| 09:53.00 | yareckon | do they still even make them?! |
| 09:53.03 | ulterior_modem | yareckon, ebay, etc |
| 09:53.03 | ulterior_modem | yes |
| 09:53.10 | ulterior_modem | unicom makes them now |
| 09:53.17 | Shadur | thetimoo: Your system's hosed. Badly. |
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| 09:53.31 | thetimoo | figured |
| 09:53.32 | thetimoo | bleh |
| 09:53.33 | yareckon | ok... then |
| 09:53.40 | yareckon | thanks ulterior_modem |
| 09:53.48 | Shadur | Reboot, hope it'll come back up without help. |
| 09:54.00 | yareckon | don't know if she will dig the clackety clack |
| 09:54.08 | thetimoo | will it fsck ? |
| 09:54.16 | Shadur | Probably. |
| 09:54.19 | ulterior_modem | yareckon, http://www.pckeyboards.com |
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| 09:54.38 | ulterior_modem | they have many models, and allow you to select language, etc. you can pretty much make your own keyboard. |
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| 09:54.52 | mazzachre | When building a new service daemon (in java) is there some std. path I should use for the jar files? Or should I place them "out of the way"? |
| 09:55.08 | thetimoo | I would force a fsck... but shutdown -F is also giving me errors |
| 09:55.09 | yareckon | thanks... I'm checking it out |
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| 09:58.42 | thetimoo | Shadur: I figured out that sometimes filesystems get remounted ro, when there are errors, to prevent damages. |
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| 09:58.52 | thetimoo | would you know where to look for more detailed information on that process? |
| 10:00.20 | mazzachre | Any input? (I know I can place them where ever I like to) but if someone knowing debian is to look at the system later and intuitivly know where my stuff is placed? |
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| 10:01.27 | Maior | mazzachre: running, or using as binaries, or? |
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| 10:02.28 | mazzachre | Maior: It is a java based server, that have several libraries (as jar files) and start scripts etc... |
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| 10:09.02 | yareckon | hm... think that pckeyboards.com is a little more focused on point of sale and high security keyboards, and doesn't really let you choose key layout (I wouldn't let folks do that for under 10,000 units either) |
| 10:09.16 | yareckon | but ebay has some model m's that I'm now watching |
| 10:09.18 | yareckon | thanks! |
| 10:10.50 | yareckon | anyone know a good german chain of computer shops that might have a big box store in berlin if we wanted to check out keyboards in person? |
| 10:12.03 | yareckon | I know about media markt, pro markt, etc, but is there an equivalent to fry's? |
| 10:13.07 | petemc | doesnt germany have an equivalent of the yellow/golden pages ? |
| 10:13.33 | JyZyXEL | logitech is running a scam on keyboards |
| 10:13.50 | JyZyXEL | they only sell wireless keyboards with mice |
| 10:14.18 | JyZyXEL | so you have to buy an expensive paper weight if you want a logitech keyboard |
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| 10:15.50 | Nibbler_ | i recommend not to buy wireless mouses |
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| 10:15.58 | Nibbler_ | mices.. |
| 10:16.05 | xingu | JyZyXEL: next you'll be railing at coke's portion sizes, or the number of disposable blades in a pack of razors |
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| 10:16.31 | xingu | JyZyXEL: put your money where your mouth is; buy a wholesale quantity and sell separates, pocket the spread. |
| 10:16.39 | Nibbler_ | wireless / bluethoot / infrared is not a good thing for devices who have to work in every moment.. |
| 10:17.42 | maligor | JyZyXEL, they sell wireless keyboards also (Keyboard vs Desktop in product name) |
| 10:17.56 | maligor | but it's pretty OT |
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| 10:21.05 | scibotic | Hi, I'm having a bit of trouble with XFCE and XRANDR, I want to switch off the in-built LCD on my laptop and switch on the VGA output, which works fine the issue is when I maximise any windows on the VGA monitor, it still scales to 800x480 instead of the monitors 1280x1024, anyone know what's wrong? |
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| 10:28.53 | jdbrowne | debootstrap: Segmentation fault |
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| 11:06.18 | pexy | is there way to find out how many packages are updatable? i'd like to create munin (monitoring) graph of number of updatable packages. |
| 11:06.38 | pexy | for this i need to get it into bash |
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| 11:08.03 | palt | I know the new aptitude in lenny tells you how many updates are available after running aptitude update, but perhaps there is an easier solution. |
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| 11:11.02 | pexy | palt: that will do, i can extract it from there, thanks |
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| 11:47.42 | anoHito | hi guys, how do i search for a keyword for example abc.com in a folder /user/file ? |
| 11:48.55 | frostschutz | anoHito: grep -r abc\.com /usr/file? |
| 11:48.55 | mquin | do you want to search for a keyword in all the files in a folder, or find a file with a given filename? |
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| 11:49.57 | anoHito | abc\.com ? |
| 11:50.08 | anoHito | why there is a \ mark ? |
| 11:50.30 | mquin | '.' on it's own in a regexp matches any character |
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| 11:51.13 | mquin | so you have to use '\.' if you want to match '.' explicitly |
| 11:51.17 | anoHito | so if it is www.abc.com, it would be www\.abc\.com ? |
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| 11:51.29 | ChrisW | hey all... network access from my debian box always seems to be much slower from my windows and mac boxes behind the same dsl router... how can I debug what the problem might be? |
| 11:51.37 | mquin | anoHito: that's correct |
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| 11:51.58 | ChrisW | (and by slower, there seems to be a big pause before each file download, not sure if the actual speed is affected so much...) |
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| 11:53.47 | anoHito | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.52 | anoHito | grep can do that job |
| 11:54.03 | anoHito | i thought it would be find - blah blah |
| 11:54.25 | Maior | anoHito: to an approximation, find is based on metadata, grep on contents |
| 11:54.43 | anoHito | oh,i see |
| 11:54.51 | Maior | s/to/as/ |
| 11:55.29 | anoHito | grep -r www\.abc\.com /usr/file > /home/1.txt |
| 11:55.32 | anoHito | this will work ? |
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| 11:55.52 | anoHito | and i will do that in 'screen' mode,cuz it needs a long time to finishi |
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| 11:58.36 | Maior | anoHito: yes, that'll "work" |
| 11:58.49 | anoHito | thanks :) |
| 11:58.51 | JJoliver | Hi people. I need a really light IRC client, I only have CD1 of the debian installs and the xlde CD1 my internet speed is 4KB/s, so I really don't want a 10MB file! |
| 11:59.20 | Maior | JJoliver: irssi |
| 11:59.26 | Maior | is what I use, and iirc not that big |
| 12:00.24 | JJoliver | will that work with xlde ? i'm new to the whole debian thing. I'm kinda in the bush of Uganda with only friends helping me run a 100 computer network ;) |
| 12:00.34 | nkuttler | JJoliver: works in a terminal |
| 12:00.34 | petemc | its text based |
| 12:00.45 | JJoliver | Oh okay .. . . easy to use? |
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| 12:02.12 | JJoliver | How do I get packages from the archieves (i've been using apt-get -d install first) onto a CD so i can run from other computers not yet connected to the internet (I know that doesn't make sense because i've asked about IRC but . . . i've got some other packages that I need to run on the other machines. |
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| 12:04.51 | asulao | concerning security, debian disables by default tcp_syncookies by not recommending it (/etc/sysctl.conf), but http://cr.yp.to/syncookies.html seems to. So what's the deal? Is it safe or not to use this feature? |
| 12:05.31 | higuita | i need to install moodle without it asking any question during the install (i will replace the config later manually) ... aptitude -y install moodle still asks what webserver to use |
| 12:05.35 | higuita | any workaround? |
| 12:05.55 | nkuttler | JJoliver: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 12:06.16 | nkuttler | higuita: remove the server you don't use? |
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| 12:06.56 | higuita | asulao: tcp_syncookies might causa problems with some servers and its hard to debug, that is why its disable... but its a Good Idea(tm) to have it on |
| 12:08.07 | asulao | that's a contradiction, higuita |
| 12:08.34 | asulao | if it causes problems then it's not a good idea |
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| 12:09.18 | asulao | my concern is, why tiger complains about that, and then debian does not recommend the solution to tiger's complain. |
| 12:10.12 | higuita | nkuttler: i just have apache2 installed, dont know why he keeps nagging about the other apache (-per -ssl, etc) |
| 12:10.37 | anoHito | i wonder if that command is correct |
| 12:10.46 | JJoliver | How do i switch between rooms / PM when using irssi? |
| 12:10.49 | higuita | asulao: it MIGHT cause problems, but our days its very rare to find servers with syncookies problems |
| 12:10.55 | cantido | JJoliver: man irssi |
| 12:11.08 | anoHito | grep -rf www\.abc\.com /usr/file |
| 12:11.15 | cantido | JJoliver: or google "irrsi cheat sheet" |
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| 12:11.33 | anoHito | that will search all file contains www.abc.com in /usr/file ? include in the sub-dir ? |
| 12:11.34 | JJoliver | thanks |
| 12:11.40 | anoHito | contents |
| 12:11.41 | asulao | higuita: so you're saying that syncookies is disabled by default in debian, because of a possible malfunction on *some* servers? |
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| 12:12.03 | higuita | yes, IIRC that is the reason |
| 12:12.07 | frostschutz | anoHito: no -f |
| 12:12.08 | higuita | its the same as ECN |
| 12:12.30 | bela | hi, i have a question about xdmcp |
| 12:12.35 | Maior | anoHito: no |
| 12:12.39 | asulao | because that's not hat I read, rather /etc/sysctl.conf defers to an http link that says that enabling syncookies disables so much many other features, as well as breaks RFCs |
| 12:12.41 | Maior | anoHito: you were right earlier |
| 12:12.51 | anoHito | ?? |
| 12:12.55 | anoHito | i used -r |
| 12:13.00 | Maior | JJoliver: alt + number |
| 12:13.04 | anoHito | i need -f ? |
| 12:13.08 | Maior | anoHito: no |
| 12:13.14 | JJoliver | Thanks |
| 12:13.35 | asulao | (cont.) such as tcp window scaling, higuita |
| 12:13.38 | anoHito | Maior, grep -r www\.abc\.com /usr/file ? |
| 12:13.42 | anoHito | oh,i did a typo,sorry |
| 12:13.47 | Maior | anoHito: yes |
| 12:14.53 | prince_jammys | the backslashes are meaningless if you don't quote the expression |
| 12:15.09 | prince_jammys | foo\.bar == foo.bar != "foo\.bar" |
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| 12:15.41 | anoHito | okay |
| 12:15.43 | prince_jammys | if you don't quote them, the shell will remove them and grep won't see them |
| 12:15.56 | prince_jammys | or just grep -Fr www.foo.bar |
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| 12:16.00 | prince_jammys | (no regex) |
| 12:16.04 | Maior | oh, yes, fair point |
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| 12:17.16 | anoHito | Maior, do i need a '/' mark in the end so it looks like /usr/file/ |
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| 12:18.00 | SPF | how can I forward X to a vmware guest OS? So that all incoming X request go to the vmware OS? |
| 12:18.09 | SPF | host OS is windows |
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| 12:19.17 | petemc | SPF: find out what ports it uses and configure that in vmwares nat.conf |
| 12:19.32 | moz | hi! I need a language check to a text I wrote in english. I know that this isn't the right channel to ask it, but can anybody tell me if there is a channel where this request wouldn't sound off topic? |
| 12:19.56 | seven_ | anyone who knows where I can get the emerald theme deb for lenny ? trying to build it from tarball but giving some dep problems |
| 12:20.02 | cantido | moz: you want someone to proof read for you? |
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| 12:24.41 | octoserver | what is the recomended way to install a ......deb, using dpkg or is there a better way ? |
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| 12:26.03 | JJoliver | I opened a manual in terminal and can't seem to close it, how do i exit a manual? |
| 12:26.10 | petemc | q |
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| 12:26.33 | JJoliver | thanks |
| 12:26.44 | petemc | octoserver: dpkg -i foo.deb, if that fails, run aptitude -f install afterwards |
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| 12:29.03 | octoserver | i am running the 64 bit debian, i should be able to run i386 packages too right? |
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| 12:29.57 | ranix | octoserver: yes |
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| 12:31.07 | cytoplasm | !ubuntu |
| 12:31.08 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 12:47.59 | badserii | Hi. I'm trying to install libperl5.8 but it tells me: libperl5.8: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.8-11.1+lenny1) but 5.10.0-19 is to be installed |
| 12:48.25 | badserii | some details: I'm running Debian Lenny (after a dist-upgrade) |
| 12:48.47 | badserii | I found this problem on internet, but no solution. |
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| 12:49.19 | ignotus | hello, after upgrading to kernel 2.6.29 from 2.6.24 playing back music is jerky when the system is under load, is there something I can do? I stressing process has a nice level of 5, the music player is -13..... |
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| 12:52.21 | EagleSn | if I format an ext3 filesystem as ext4, is it possible to recovery any file from the old ext3 filesystem} |
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| 12:53.50 | hark | badserii: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 12:59.03 | wodka_ice_ | he |
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| 12:59.56 | badserii | hark: thank you. Here is it pastebined: http://paste.debian.net/32308/ |
| 13:00.07 | hark | badserii: nm, libperl5.8 is not in lenny |
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| 13:01.16 | badserii | hark: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libperl5.8 |
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| 13:04.10 | wodka_ice_ | ihr seid schwul schwul schwul |
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| 13:05.36 | hark | badserii: ok, i see what's wrong.. let me check why |
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| 13:09.12 | konr | Guys, I've got two sound cards, and the sucky one is enabled. How can I disable it and enable the not-sucky one? |
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| 13:09.28 | badserii | konr: asoundconf list |
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| 13:09.54 | konr | badserii: :O only one showed up |
| 13:09.56 | badserii | konr: asoundconf set-default-card <the-good-one> |
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| 13:10.04 | higuita | lets try again: i need to install moodle without it asking any question during the install (i will replace the config later manually) ... aptitude -y install moodle still asks what webserver to use |
| 13:10.10 | higuita | any workaround to this? |
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| 13:13.25 | rhalff | hi if I let a rsync cron run every half hour, could it happen after a while, I have many of those executing running at once ? |
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| 13:13.53 | rhalff | like the command takes an hour, however a new command starts every half hour. |
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| 13:14.24 | rhalff | hi if I let a rsync cron run every half hour, could it happen after a while, I have many of those executing running at once ? |
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| 13:15.54 | KRF | rhalff, test that rsync command, maybe it is interactive |
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| 13:17.03 | RichiH | or maybe it takes longer than half an hour to run |
| 13:17.06 | rhalff | KRF: oh, it's not taking a long time yet, I was just wondering if cron would just restart the command or detect there is allready a rsync running, or maybe rsync itself would recognize the same command is executed while another is still running. |
| 13:17.24 | RichiH | no, rsync will not detect anything afaik |
| 13:17.38 | KRF | yep |
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| 13:19.06 | rhalff | ah |
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| 13:20.43 | Netscher81_ | http://change.pennergame.de/change_please/5045997/ |
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| 13:20.59 | tomaw | Netscher81_: spamming pennergame links on freenode will get your account suspended |
| 13:21.09 | tomaw | sigh |
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| 13:23.37 | abrotman | or already has! :) |
| 13:23.45 | cytoplasm | Debian: You can never be sure. |
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| 13:25.47 | abrotman | tomaw: xGirl`` spamming |
| 13:25.48 | hark | badserii: sorry was away |
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| 13:26.15 | hark | dpkg: spam abrotman |
| 13:26.15 | dpkg | hark: are you using Windows? |
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| 13:30.49 | abrotman | thanks staff! |
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| 13:31.06 | hark | makes a note to do a spamsmite instead next time.. |
| 13:31.09 | badserii | hark: have you found the problem? |
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| 13:33.16 | hark | badserii: it depends on perl-base = 5.8 which is not in lenny. this package seems to have been updated when lenny was testing before the perl transition |
| 13:33.38 | hark | by the testing security team |
| 13:34.01 | hark | don't know why it's still around |
| 13:34.16 | hark | judd: versions libperl5.8 |
| 13:34.18 | judd | hark: libperl5.8 -- etch: 5.8.8-7etch3 etch-security: 5.8.8-7etch6 lenny-security: 5.8.8-11.1+lenny1 |
| 13:34.28 | badserii | my nagios doesn't start because of it. |
| 13:35.22 | badserii | hark: /usr/local/nagios/bin/nagios: error while loading shared libraries: libperl.so.5.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 13:36.57 | hark | badserii: hmm why are you not using debian's nagios? |
| 13:38.05 | n0mad | lspci -vvv says Region 1: Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M] but i have only 32mb geforce... |
| 13:38.21 | n0mad | how can i check more ? |
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| 13:39.32 | badserii | hark: now I'm installing it. It installs samba (which I don't need) |
| 13:39.34 | black9ice | to use 64bit or 32 bit is the question? |
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| 13:42.47 | frostschutz | black9ice: do you have 8GB ram? ;) |
| 13:43.10 | abrotman | even then it doesn't technically matter |
| 13:43.19 | abrotman | badserii: why did you compile nagios? |
| 13:43.22 | black9ice | frostschutz: no 4gig and a 8800GTX |
| 13:43.32 | Anne | How can I see what kernel I'm running? |
| 13:43.43 | gusto | uname -a |
| 13:43.51 | hark | badserii: it shouldn't.. which package are you installing btw? |
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| 13:44.00 | Anne | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:44.29 | gusto | Anne: yes |
| 13:44.52 | ShredZ | Any tool to output a nice indented xml file instead of the occasional 1-line chaos ? |
| 13:45.08 | ronr | ShredZ: xmlstartlet ed <file> > otherfiles.xml |
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| 13:46.31 | Anne | apt-get cannot find kernel-source-2.6.18-6-ixp4xx |
| 13:46.51 | gusto | Anne: why do you need it? |
| 13:47.00 | gusto | Anne: of course it cant find the source |
| 13:47.12 | gusto | Anne: the source has no -ix... bla bla names |
| 13:47.13 | Anne | whynot? |
| 13:47.22 | Anne | need to compile something |
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| 13:47.28 | abrotman | apt-cache search linux-source |
| 13:47.36 | gusto | Anne: why do not download the kernel by yourself? |
| 13:47.39 | Anne | cannot find 2.6.18-6 either |
| 13:48.03 | Anne | i'm a green linux user, using a texed based debian |
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| 13:48.13 | r0bert0 | Anne, download de source and compile it with the configuration you need. the source is, basically, the same for all. The differences are between the compilated kernels. |
| 13:48.14 | gusto | Anne: my advice is to download a new kernel, because I personally dont like debian or whatever kernels |
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| 13:48.48 | r0bert0 | Anne, go to kernel.org and download the last stable kernel source. |
| 13:48.55 | gusto | Anne: copy your /boot/config-.... to /usr/src/linux-..../.config |
| 13:49.04 | gusto | yes |
| 13:49.14 | gusto | r0bert0: is absolutely right Anne |
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| 13:49.56 | Anne | gusto: what would be the difference between debian-kernel or 'new kernel' |
| 13:50.05 | gusto | Anne: compile your own kernel, dont forget to rtfm and make sure you need to compile a new kernel at all |
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| 13:50.28 | gusto | Anne: I dont like the debian kernel packages, its too complicated |
| 13:50.36 | filePeter | gusto: ? |
| 13:50.38 | gusto | Anne: I do compile my own everytime |
| 13:50.43 | Anne | I want to instal openVPN from source, but I need kernel-headers |
| 13:50.47 | badserii | hark: nagios3 sorry I was away |
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| 13:51.00 | filePeter | Anne: What for? IPv6? |
| 13:51.02 | gusto | Anne: so do you need the new kernel? |
| 13:51.08 | Anne | IPv4 |
| 13:51.21 | Anne | gusto: At least the headers |
| 13:51.30 | gusto | maybe there is a header package |
| 13:51.35 | dareth | Sigh |
| 13:51.52 | gusto | but I would compile my own kernel anyway because you have no trouble after you ve done that |
| 13:52.50 | Anne | gusto: still do not know what you mean with 'my own kernel' |
| 13:53.00 | Anne | you write your own kernel or what |
| 13:53.46 | hark | badserii: don't see any dependency for samba there |
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| 13:55.32 | hark | badserii: if it somehow got installed, you should be able to remove it |
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| 13:55.42 | badserii | hark: it's ok. It installed samba-common |
| 13:55.49 | badserii | but samba is not running. |
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| 13:56.33 | badserii | hark: would it be allright if I put the configuration from compiled nagios to the nagios from repositories? |
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| 13:57.23 | sunburst | hi |
| 13:57.45 | hark | badserii: should be ok, don't know about nagios... read /usr/share/doc/nagios3 for configuration specifics |
| 13:58.35 | badserii | hark: thank you a lot! |
| 13:58.54 | sunburst | I have a question, debian 4, ampt-get install php5 says newest version, phpinfo sys php 4.4.4-8, how can I enable php5? its an vserver with plesk 8.4 |
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| 13:59.05 | sunburst | -m |
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| 14:00.53 | abrotman | sunburst: is libapache2-mod-php5 installed ? |
| 14:01.05 | sunburst | let me see ... :) |
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| 14:02.00 | sunburst | no it isnt^ :) |
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| 14:05.07 | solemnwarning | Are SATA DVD burners supported in lenny? |
| 14:05.22 | filePeter | solemnwarning: Yes. |
| 14:05.27 | solemnwarning | Thanks |
| 14:05.30 | filePeter | solemnwarning: np. |
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| 14:06.17 | sunburst | thx abrotman, now it works :) |
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| 14:08.17 | cr3 | hi |
| 14:09.17 | sunburst | abrotman, but now plesk says no mysql |
| 14:09.21 | cr3 | why does it happen sometimes that X restarts randomly.... e.g. when i tried to run some 3d app without direct rendering drivers compiled |
| 14:09.28 | abrotman | sunburst: did you install php5-mysql ? |
| 14:09.35 | petemc | cr3: that doesnt sound random |
| 14:09.37 | sunburst | i try^ |
| 14:10.26 | cr3 | hah xd |
| 14:11.32 | sunburst | abrotman, its installed, but plesk doesnt run |
| 14:11.38 | cr3 | petemc, ok that wasn't but sometimes i just surf on my FF... i mean IW and then *CRASH*... restart, login [kde reports crash/ if it was fluxbox then just restarts] |
| 14:11.59 | abrotman | sunburst: make sure the mysql.so is enabled in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 14:12.09 | sunburst | ok |
| 14:12.25 | cr3 | it's annoying, do i have some 'DO_NOT_CRASH_RANDOMLY' option not compiled in in Xserver? |
| 14:13.18 | abrotman | did you compile your Xorg ? |
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| 14:13.39 | sunburst | abrotman, i means the ; must be removed before extension=mysql.so ? |
| 14:14.38 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:14.58 | RichiH | hmm, what packages do i need so iceweasel will see my java? |
| 14:15.09 | RichiH | i installed everything that looks like it would do the trick |
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| 14:15.36 | sunburst | ok abrotman, wordpress is running but plesk 8.6. doesnt work |
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| 14:15.56 | sunburst | abrotman, plesk: Service Unavailable |
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| 14:17.02 | cr3 | it happened |
| 14:17.05 | cr3 | AGAIN |
| 14:17.17 | cr3 | i think i hit alt f4 several times and xserver restarted |
| 14:17.28 | ajavid | RichiH, sun-java6-jre|plugin |
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| 14:17.55 | JJOliver | Anyone know of any good touch typing programes that have a nice front end for LXDE? |
| 14:18.00 | hark | RichiH: what does readlink -f /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so say? |
| 14:18.41 | sunburst | abrotman, how can i fix plesk? |
| 14:18.59 | hark | JJOliver: gtypist |
| 14:19.11 | JJOliver | thanks hark |
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| 14:19.15 | Heavy-D | hey guys.. what's a good program for making a Video DVD out of a movie file. I'm trying to burn this file I made from my camera to a dvd but it's just putting the file on the DVD like a data dvd |
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| 14:19.43 | avu | sunburst, the way to "fix" plesk is not to use than horribly broken peace of "software" in the first place |
| 14:19.46 | hark | JJOliver: it's ncurses based, but i like it |
| 14:20.01 | JJOliver | hark: ncurses based? |
| 14:20.30 | sunburst | thx avu, but I need it... |
| 14:20.39 | hark | JJOliver: command line app |
| 14:20.53 | avu | sunburst, no you don't. Noone does. What you need is a proper admin. |
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| 14:21.16 | avu | sunburst, software like this only tricks you into thinking that you don't, but really, you do. |
| 14:21.18 | JJOliver | hark: Simple is good . . . i'm in Uganda and now have 'fixed' 3 broken win98 installs with XLDE and i'm new to linux as of this week. |
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| 14:21.48 | sunburst | how can i reinstall or fix plesk now ? |
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| 14:21.59 | avu | sunburst, ask their support |
| 14:22.17 | abrotman | sunburst: i don't use plesk, i don't know what requirements it has |
| 14:22.36 | sunburst | ok abrotman |
| 14:22.40 | avu | abrotman, it's a commercial third party product that comes with support anyway |
| 14:22.50 | abrotman | i know what it is .. i don't use it |
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| 14:28.11 | Anom | Hello all =] |
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| 14:28.21 | JJOliver | Hi Anom |
| 14:28.48 | Anom | So whats the topic of the hour ? |
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| 14:28.57 | Maior | AGS |
| 14:29.06 | JJOliver | and touch typing ;d |
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| 14:39.26 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 14:39.56 | Fox_1_ | can anyone provide me with debian experimental repo (source.list line :) )? |
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| 14:42.41 | aryah | hm, the rxvt-unicode channel is inactive, so might i try a question here? seems interaction of xcompmgr for true transparency of urxvtc doesnt interact well with finch? arrow keys and move/resize dont work, but works fine in xterm? anyone have a similar setup? |
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| 14:45.36 | asulao | lenny fresh install, nvidia card, x doesn't seem to detect highest resolutions. how can I use them? |
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| 14:46.02 | gusto | write them |
| 14:46.08 | gusto | into xorg.conf |
| 14:46.11 | asulao | (would prefer not to use nidia prop drivers) |
| 14:46.18 | aryah | maybe try writing those manually in xorg.conf? |
| 14:46.20 | gusto | so use them |
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| 14:46.56 | aryah | isnt there some project for 3d accel free nvidia? not just the nv one? |
| 14:46.56 | Anom | Hello, |
| 14:46.57 | ga_bash | asulao, do yu mean nvidia? |
| 14:47.06 | asulao | yes nvidia sorry |
| 14:47.07 | gusto | yes |
| 14:47.10 | Anom | is this the right chat for computer help ? |
| 14:47.12 | gusto | noveaou |
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| 14:47.32 | asulao | gusto: shouldn't installer detect them? |
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| 14:47.39 | gusto | what? |
| 14:47.44 | aryah | yes thats right. do you use it by any chance? pros/cons apart from being free that is? |
| 14:47.45 | gusto | the resolutions? |
| 14:47.51 | asulao | yes |
| 14:47.54 | aryah | well, it often doesnt, had to write mine too |
| 14:47.55 | gusto | no |
| 14:48.03 | gusto | installer has nothing to do with xorg |
| 14:48.08 | gusto | xorg is a package |
| 14:48.19 | asulao | but installer installs X |
| 14:48.20 | gusto | maybe you can configure it with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 14:48.25 | aryah | but, xorg has some magic now to autodetect. doesnt work allways |
| 14:48.29 | gusto | but I dont know how that works |
| 14:48.33 | asulao | or the papckage setup scripts |
| 14:48.35 | aryah | no, gusto not anymore |
| 14:48.50 | gusto | however |
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| 14:49.02 | aryah | just some keybord stuff is asked now on reconfigure |
| 14:49.14 | gusto | cool |
| 14:49.26 | gusto | do Xorg -configure and edit the file |
| 14:49.37 | aryah | yup |
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| 14:50.57 | jeffrey_ | chanserver said Newcomers should read the guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines", I typed, but nothing happend |
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| 14:52.00 | aryah | jeffrey_ it works fine, just tried |
| 14:52.35 | asulao | gusto: that seemed to do it, didn't have to edit the file. wouldn't this line be good to include in lenny setup? |
| 14:52.59 | jeffrey_ | I tried again, nothing happens |
| 14:53.12 | gusto | I dont know |
| 14:53.13 | petemc | asulao: xorg is supposed to configure itself dynamically now with hal and xrandr |
| 14:53.36 | aryah | jeffrey_ maybe you didnt notice it spawned another 'channel' ? |
| 14:53.39 | gusto | i have never seen it to work |
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| 14:53.48 | petemc | it works well for lots of people |
| 14:54.01 | gusto | i use the old school way |
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| 14:54.29 | jeffrey_ | OK, worked now. some message showed on another window, I just didn't noticed |
| 14:54.35 | petemc | you mean you spend hours tearing your hair to get it half working? |
| 14:55.10 | jeffrey_ | I'm using irssi, and I have to press "Alt+N" to switch to that window |
| 14:55.16 | aryah | know of some #finch channel? |
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| 14:56.47 | solemnwarning | Does the lenny i686 kernel include PAE support? |
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| 14:57.39 | hark | solemnwarning: the -bigmem one does |
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| 14:59.17 | izua | what's a good pdf viewer? |
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| 14:59.52 | izua | i'm looking for something that works like foxit, prerenders a few pages aheader, allows me to smoothly scroll between pages |
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| 15:00.35 | geekbr | hey, how can i recreate de kernel's archives at /boot ? |
| 15:00.39 | moodhugs | hi, an upgrade deemed my computer unusable, is there any way to fix it other than reformating? |
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| 15:02.13 | ronr | moodhugs: probably |
| 15:02.34 | ronr | moodhugs: but unusable as just about as vagua as 'something goes wrong, how do I fix it?' |
| 15:03.06 | medecau | hi, can see if my server it hitting the max transfer speed fisically possible by the wire? can netstat tell me this? |
| 15:03.34 | petemc | no, something like iperf |
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| 15:04.50 | medecau | petemc: thanks |
| 15:05.06 | moodhugs | well it's complicated. the main problem is that the 2.6.26 kernel spontaniously crashes. so i use the 2.6.18 kernel from etch. i recently upgraded some random programs i use and now sound doesn't work with kernel 2.6.18.... lol if any of the above problems can be solved without resorting to reinstalling from scratch. i'm listening |
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| 15:06.15 | _pepo_ | I hope you can help me: please, How do I test my voicemail/asterisk? I want to record my message (sound) automatically in many mailboxes, so then test the stress in the server |
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| 15:09.43 | moodhugs | i'm just sick of reinstalling debian. lol the page says there shouldn't be any reason why it'd have to be done. but noone seems to have any other answers for any problems that come up. |
| 15:10.42 | medecau | petemc: iperf is to test the network, i need to know on a deployed machine when the sokect buffer is full. <- is this more clear? |
| 15:10.50 | abrotman | maybe you should work on figuring out why the .28 crashes |
| 15:10.53 | petemc | medecau: specific answers require specific questions |
| 15:11.03 | petemc | moodhugs: ^^^ |
| 15:12.06 | moodhugs | okay. so how do i go about figuring out why it crashes? it seems completely random to me. |
| 15:12.28 | ronr | moodhugs: check syslog after a reboot for started |
| 15:12.32 | ronr | *starters |
| 15:12.47 | ronr | and kern.log, maybe there's some kernel panic? |
| 15:12.50 | rerushg | Good morning. (Lenny i386) Confused by cron, specifically Kcron. Added rkhunter to daily cron yesterday as user via Kron. Today I tried to modify timing but can't find it in Kcron either as user or root. rkhunter script is in /etc/cron.daily. What am I missing? |
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| 15:26.22 | moodhugs | okay. the logs say nothing about the crash. so the kernel is not panicing it just crashes and that's it i guess |
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| 15:28.05 | moodhugs | the screen goes all screwy every time it crashes |
| 15:29.31 | moodhugs | even if it's in a text mode it goes screwy when it crashes |
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| 15:30.23 | khaije1 | anyone here played with ocfs2? i've setup the server and the volumes on my server, but i'm unclear on how to export them and mount them on the node/client... any help? |
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| 15:31.21 | ronr | moodhugs: define screwy? just looks like a mess? have you tried accessing the machine with ssh after a crash? |
| 15:31.26 | ronr | is it still pingable? |
| 15:32.20 | moodhugs | ctrl alt del doesn't respond once it crashes |
| 15:32.46 | moodhugs | power button doesn't either |
| 15:32.56 | moodhugs | the hard drive stops dead |
| 15:33.13 | moodhugs | i never tried pinging it. but it appears all interrupts have ceased |
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| 15:40.30 | aryah | hm, my mutt has been saying for the last two days connection refused to imap.google.. I havent changed muttrc , and my pass, port, username look fine there? has gmail imap service been working fine for ppl? |
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| 15:45.03 | octoserver | is there a way to get a 20 db boost for my microphone if i dont see one in the kmixer program ? |
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| 15:45.57 | apostle | iface ra0 inet dhcp |
| 15:45.58 | apostle | up iwconfig ra0 essid ESSIDHERE |
| 15:45.58 | apostle | up iwconfig ra0 channel auto # or if you have specified a channel |
| 15:45.58 | apostle | up iwconfig ra0 key abcdef00000012345600000000 can someone help me configure this wireless device? |
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| 15:47.13 | apostle | Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) can someone help? |
| 15:47.34 | gusto | hopefully |
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| 15:47.46 | gusto | i cant but be patient |
| 15:47.56 | gusto | someone will respond |
| 15:48.27 | gusto | i have a broadcom too, but I use wpasupplicant to connect it |
| 15:48.40 | VulpesFoxnik | Anyone here with experience building 2.6.29 RC 1 into a normal debian release using the kernel's svn? genorig.py is giving me an error when I follow the instructions. |
| 15:48.48 | gusto | i have never tried it through iwconfig |
| 15:48.56 | joss193 | how to remove package without itËs dependencies being removed, that is upgrade or downgrade it? |
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| 15:49.41 | krefik | joss193: look in aptitude what deps are being removed and mark them as installed manually |
| 15:49.48 | gusto | try building a normal kernel from source, youll find the docs included |
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| 15:50.19 | VulpesFoxnik | gusto: I'm not trying to build a vanilla kernel. |
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| 15:50.38 | gusto | i have no idea what does vanilla mean |
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| 15:50.53 | VulpesFoxnik | Vanilla means it doesn't have the debian patches to the kernel. |
| 15:51.00 | xxtjaxx | gusto vanilla kernel? |
| 15:51.15 | gusto | ok |
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| 15:51.27 | joss193 | krefik: hmm, never used aptitude, is there a file to do that, nice to know first time hearing, that i can change the deps information? |
| 15:51.31 | gusto | i dont care, i compile my own everytime, i find it more stable |
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| 15:51.54 | joss193 | krefik: exactly what is the command to change that status, i bootet do ms os at the moment |
| 15:51.56 | joss193 | ? |
| 15:52.06 | VulpesFoxnik | Well I got a kernel panic last time I tried my install with the vanilla kernel. |
| 15:52.19 | gusto | something was wrong |
| 15:52.30 | VulpesFoxnik | Well yeah. ;) |
| 15:52.35 | gusto | VulpesFoxnik: did you do mkinitramfs? |
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| 15:52.56 | VulpesFoxnik | no, I didn't I think. |
| 15:53.04 | gusto | VulpesFoxnik: you see |
| 15:53.26 | gusto | VulpesFoxnik: you need a /boot/initrd.img for every kernel you have |
| 15:53.53 | VulpesFoxnik | I'm more intrested why genorig.py from the debian build utilities refuses to work thou. |
| 15:54.03 | gusto | VulpesFoxnik: beginners fault! RTFM first |
| 15:54.14 | aryah | how would one setup screen so that I have only one screen running, and all programs are in it, yet that different x terminals connect to different 'processes' (or even multiplexed layouts if possible) of it? |
| 15:54.32 | krefik | joss193: aptitude is cursed app, you're doing everything in interactive manner |
| 15:54.40 | gusto | VulpesFoxnik: I never heard of that pyton script before |
| 15:54.45 | VulpesFoxnik | gusto: I prefer to call it User Error. Also I didn't think I needed to do it when using make-kpkg |
| 15:54.57 | VulpesFoxnik | gusto: It's in the FM ;) |
| 15:55.03 | gusto | VulpesFoxnik: hahahahaha |
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| 15:55.23 | VulpesFoxnik | gusto: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/trunk/linux-2.6/debian/README.build?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 15:55.25 | gusto | VulpesFoxnik: thats absolutely not importatnt which make or gcc you use |
| 15:55.31 | joss193 | krefik: eh this does not seem good, command line version, or can i do that from a file? guess not, package cache is a binary it seems, or some sort of an archive |
| 15:55.44 | gusto | VulpesFoxnik: you need a initrd.img for EVERY kernel |
| 15:55.56 | joss193 | but then again, at least curses works without X |
| 15:55.59 | VulpesFoxnik | gusto: I understand this issu. |
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| 15:57.32 | joss193 | krefik: can you give a sample aptitute command to mark all deps of libdrm to manually insalled? |
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| 15:58.06 | nkuttler | aryah: um, man screen |
| 15:58.27 | nkuttler | aryah: you can connect to specific windows |
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| 15:59.19 | aryah | hm, ok, sry just starting to learn about it :) |
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| 16:00.53 | joss193 | krefik: got it thanks |
| 16:01.30 | joss193 | some command line versions also available there to do that --dry-run it seems |
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| 16:06.45 | lunartear | logcheck is reporting the same security events from 15 days ago each hour. Is there anything i can do about this? |
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| 16:07.32 | PinkFreud | heya folks. having a rather weird issue with iceweasel and sun-java6-plugin on lenny. |
| 16:07.41 | PinkFreud | er, make that lenny amd64. |
| 16:08.35 | xxtjaxx | PinkFreud, |
| 16:08.37 | PinkFreud | sun-java6-plugin installs without a problem. it appears to have installed a plugin and appropriate symlinks into the various mozilla-related plugin directories - but firefox happily ignores the plugin. |
| 16:08.41 | xxtjaxx | PinkFreud, whats the trouble |
| 16:09.20 | PinkFreud | according to about:plugins, there is no java plugin installed. |
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| 16:09.50 | xxtjaxx | PinkFreud, dunno... |
| 16:10.07 | PinkFreud | you and me both |
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| 16:11.45 | anoHito | hi guys, how do i configure snort to support 2 IPs ? |
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| 16:12.04 | anoHito | right now there is only one is configured,i just added another IP to the same nic |
| 16:12.09 | anoHito | another public ip. |
| 16:12.42 | anoHito | in /etc/snort,there is snort snort.debian.conf |
| 16:12.52 | anoHito | and snort.eth0.conf |
| 16:13.08 | anoHito | i have another ethernet card alias that is eth0:0 |
| 16:13.12 | anoHito | any idea ? |
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| 16:15.31 | pentium200mmx | hi guys, is there a way to switch running applications between x screens? like last night i VNC'd into my linux machine from my laptop upstairs and began a torrent download with transmission... is there a way for me to move it's display from the VNC x screen to the real x screen on the machine's local monitor? |
| 16:15.43 | pentium200mmx | or do i need to close it and restart it on the local monitor? |
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| 16:16.31 | JyZyXEL | you could VNC to the same x session that you use locally |
| 16:16.40 | krefik_ | as far as I know there's no possibility to transplant running app between X sessions |
| 16:16.47 | pentium200mmx | yep, i know that's an option JyZyXEL |
| 16:16.49 | pentium200mmx | ok |
| 16:16.52 | pentium200mmx | i didn't think so |
| 16:16.56 | JyZyXEL | well do it? :o |
| 16:17.19 | pentium200mmx | JyZyXEL: well that seems kinda dumb to use an application.. i'll just close the app, and restart it i guess |
| 16:17.31 | pentium200mmx | just was wondering if there was a way to do that |
| 16:17.48 | JyZyXEL | also rtorrent it cool ;) |
| 16:18.04 | JyZyXEL | is cool |
| 16:18.08 | pentium200mmx | never heard of it, i'll try it! |
| 16:18.36 | pentium200mmx | i don't really like transmission |
| 16:18.43 | pentium200mmx | i wish there was a linux port of utorrent but oh well |
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| 16:20.01 | PinkFreud | hah, got it |
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| 16:24.41 | VulpesFoxnik | pentium200mmx: Use Delugue. They ripped their ideas from them. |
| 16:25.58 | VulpesFoxnik | pentium200mmx: utorrent is closed source anyway. |
| 16:26.13 | pentium200mmx | looking at screenshots for deluge... it does look like utorrent lol |
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| 16:27.02 | jair | I configured a debian lenny with ntp server (starting at boot) configured to the right ntp server in my network. I am having a weird message and not getting the proper time on the machine after I clone it using clonezilla and restored in another hardware (exactly same)... |
| 16:27.24 | filePeter | jair: What errormessages? |
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| 16:27.48 | Drakeson | how can I see the changelog of a package, from the command-line? |
| 16:28.13 | Drakeson | also, how can I find out when was the last time a package was updated, also from the command-line? |
| 16:28.42 | stew | Drakeson: zless /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 16:28.49 | filePeter | Drakeson: That might be possible with dpkg I think. |
| 16:28.54 | stew | Drakeson: if its not installed "aptitude changelog packagename" |
| 16:29.04 | stew | Drakeson: or http://changelogs.debian.net/sourcepackagename |
| 16:29.17 | pentium200mmx | yeah would try dpkg --help and check the output, there's probably a command for it |
| 16:29.23 | stew | there isn't |
| 16:30.06 | filePeter | stew: Hmm⦠|
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| 16:30.16 | jair | filePeter: "Np assosiation ID's reported" |
| 16:30.17 | Drakeson | wow, aptitude has a changelog command. |
| 16:30.26 | jair | filePeter: "No assosiation ID's reported" |
| 16:30.39 | VulpesFoxnik | yes it does. you can do it inside with shit+C as well |
| 16:30.46 | jair | filePeter: that is coming out if I run the command "ntpq -p" |
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| 16:31.02 | VulpesFoxnik | I cannot wait till aptitude-gtk comes into sid. |
| 16:31.23 | jair | but it looks like if I stop the ntp server run "ntpdate my.ntp.local" then restart the ntp it works. |
| 16:31.24 | pentium200mmx | wasn't even aware of a gtk version... awesome |
| 16:31.51 | VulpesFoxnik | pentium200mmx: http://www.milliways.fr/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/aptitude-20080817-1.png |
| 16:31.54 | Drakeson | how can I find out the history of a package on my machine (when was the last time I updated it, when was the time before that, etc.) |
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| 16:32.14 | stew | Drakeson: /var/log/dpkg* |
| 16:32.15 | pentium200mmx | oh man that looks pretty sexy |
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| 16:32.29 | s0undt3ch_ | hello ppl |
| 16:32.37 | VulpesFoxnik | aptitude was always sexy. Now it just has a gtk frontend ^^ |
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| 16:32.44 | s0undt3ch_ | is there a command to know what package is puling a specific version of another? |
| 16:32.53 | JyZyXEL | i've never used aptitude |
| 16:32.58 | pentium200mmx | i know i love aptitude... best package manager there is |
| 16:33.01 | stew | s0undt3ch_: aptitude why packagename |
| 16:33.12 | pentium200mmx | one of the biggest reasons i use debian over anything else |
| 16:33.12 | s0undt3ch_ | stew: k, trying |
| 16:33.24 | s0undt3ch_ | stew: packagename is the one I want? |
| 16:33.28 | VulpesFoxnik | in aptitude you can select a specific version using [v] on a package |
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| 16:33.46 | revertTS | is there a reason to include firefox plugins in the repos? I've seen a lot of distros do it for popular ones like noscript, but I never really understood why |
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| 16:33.59 | stew | s0undt3ch_: it is the package you labelled "another" in your question |
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| 16:34.14 | s0undt3ch_ | stew: k |
| 16:34.27 | VulpesFoxnik | revertTS: Not that I can tell. It just makes it harder to keep your plugins up to date. |
| 16:34.35 | Drakeson | is there a reason why aptitude search works different than apt-cache search :( |
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| 16:34.46 | Drakeson | stew: thanks |
| 16:34.59 | stew | Drakeson: sure, becuase it can search on many more possible variables |
| 16:35.17 | VulpesFoxnik | Drakeson: No reason you cannot use both ;) |
| 16:35.39 | VulpesFoxnik | Drakeson: apt-cache search doesn't check for the lock |
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| 16:36.28 | verme | hi |
| 16:36.32 | Drakeson | I prefer to use "aptitude search" but I often end up using "apt-cache search" because of a minor issue with "aptitude search": |
| 16:36.43 | stew | Drakeson: what issue? |
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| 16:37.35 | Drakeson | aptitude search x y searches for packages with x *or* y, apt-cache search x y, searches for packages with x *and* y. |
| 16:38.22 | VulpesFoxnik | Drakeson: Do you know if it accepts regular expressions? |
| 16:38.31 | Drakeson | aptitude does |
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| 16:38.56 | Drakeson | but it is too cumbersome to write aptitude search x.*y|y.*x |
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| 16:39.25 | Drakeson | now imagine apt-cache search x y z w :p |
| 16:39.38 | s0undt3ch_ | stew: maybe you can help me. I'm trying to install compizconfig-settings-manager=0.8.2 from jaunty which then says ti will upgrade a lot of packages.... |
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| 16:40.34 | VulpesFoxnik | Drakeson: You could design a logic map and simplify that ;) |
| 16:40.43 | stew | Drakeson: "aptitude serarch x y" search for x or y, "aptitude search xy" search for x and y |
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| 16:41.15 | stew | s0undt3ch_: are you running jaunty? or what? |
| 16:41.35 | s0undt3ch_ | stew: nope, intrepid |
| 16:41.43 | stew | s0undt3ch_: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 16:41.44 | s0undt3ch_ | stew: hence my worries to pull too much :) |
| 16:41.55 | s0undt3ch_ | heh, k |
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| 16:42.28 | Drakeson | stew: I didn't get it. Can you please show "apt-cache search irc client" using aptitude? |
| 16:42.55 | stew | Drakeson: you want to search for irc and client where? in the descriptions? the name? |
| 16:44.00 | ranix | wow awesome |
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| 16:44.00 | ranix | I didn't know there was a vertical split patch for Screen |
| 16:44.00 | ranix | this is great |
| 16:44.01 | ranix | haha check me out |
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| 16:44.01 | Drakeson | stew: both? |
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| 16:44.25 | valdyn | revertTS: its software that gets to run, firefox plugins are nothing special in that regard, why the hell would debian not include them? |
| 16:45.01 | stew | Drakeson: i don |
| 16:45.08 | stew | Drakeson: i don't know then |
| 16:45.21 | stew | Drakeson: if you wanted to search just the name or just the description it would be easy |
| 16:45.31 | Drakeson | stew: sorry my lack of sense of humor. Was that meant as a joke: <stew> Drakeson: "aptitude serarch x y" search for x or y, "aptitude search |
| 16:45.31 | Drakeson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:45.41 | stew | Drakeson: not at all |
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| 16:46.20 | valdyn | Drakeson: irc and client should probably be searched via debtags |
| 16:46.27 | valdyn | Drakeson: unfortunately i dont know how to use that. |
| 16:46.27 | Drakeson | well, I assume you didn't mean "aptitude search ircclient" if x=irc, y=client. |
| 16:46.45 | stew | Drakeson: for instance "aptitude search '~dirc' '~dclient'" would search for packages wither either irc or client in the description, "aptitude search '~dirc~dclient'" would search for for packages with both in the description, aiui |
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| 16:47.33 | s0undt3ch_ | Hello ppl. I'm trying to install compizconfig-settings-manager=0.8.2 from jaunty which then says it will upgrade a lot of packages which worries me since I'm on intrepid. Can I know which is pushing all the packages? |
| 16:47.33 | stew | s0undt3ch_: wrong channel |
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| 16:47.45 | ranix | s0undt3ch_: you wound up in #debian somehow |
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| 16:48.06 | s0undt3ch_ | ranix: nope, this is ubuntu, why should I be on #debian? |
| 16:48.09 | s0undt3ch_ | errrrr |
| 16:48.13 | ranix | lol |
| 16:48.15 | s0undt3ch_ | ranix: yeah, sorry |
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| 16:48.21 | ranix | np |
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| 16:49.15 | Drakeson | stew: thanks. that helps. I guess from now on I will use both (aptitude and apt-cache) then. |
| 16:49.17 | ranix | is there some bad ubuntu irc package that defaults to connecting to #debian in oftc or something? |
| 16:49.18 | Alpounet | hi |
| 16:49.21 | ranix | he seemed to know what he was doing |
| 16:49.31 | Alpounet | I've got a Sony Vaio running Debian AMD64 |
| 16:49.32 | Drakeson | btw, sometimes apt-cache "feels" faster |
| 16:49.51 | revertTS | valdyn: just seemed like it'd be bothersome to make packages given how many there are and how easily FF can handle it |
| 16:49.56 | revertTS | do the packaged versions install system-wide? |
| 16:49.56 | jamon | ranix: irc.debian.org is an alias to oftc i think |
| 16:50.14 | ranix | jamon: yes it is |
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| 16:50.20 | hark | Drakeson: it is |
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| 16:50.36 | ranix | still doesn't explain how ubuntu users who know what's going on accidentally wind up here |
| 16:50.58 | VulpesFoxnik | ranix: This chat room is only for debian issues. Ubuntu is quite different in some ways. |
| 16:51.01 | jamon | ranix: grep "irc.debian.org" /* then :p |
| 16:51.04 | valdyn | revertTS: debian users are not expected to "easily" compile plugins, just like they are not expected to "easily" compile different programs |
| 16:51.16 | hark | ranix: it's not accidental |
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| 16:51.59 | pentium200mmx | has anybody else tried linuxmint? i installed it on a spare box to give it a go, and i gotta say after all the rave reviews i've read on it... i really don't like it. |
| 16:52.00 | ranix | I just don't understand |
| 16:52.01 | revertTS | valdyn: sorry, I meant to say extensions, not plugins |
| 16:52.10 | valdyn | revertTS: same deal |
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| 16:52.19 | ranix | pentium200mmx: please take that to #debian-offtopic |
| 16:52.21 | stew | pentium200mmx: try ##linuxmint or ##linux |
| 16:52.31 | xsamurai | anybody have problems with apache2 and php5-clamavlib |
| 16:52.51 | pentium200mmx | ok, well it's kinda debian based but anyway.... i solved my problem so bye |
| 16:52.51 | Alpounet | I would like to activate the special keys of my keyboard (Mute, Volume up, Volume Down, Eject CDROM, ...) |
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| 16:52.54 | xsamurai | everytime i install the php5-clamavlib package , apache stops working with no errors |
| 16:52.55 | Alpounet | Any hint ? |
| 16:53.08 | xsamurai | Alpounet: xmodmap |
| 16:53.15 | Alpounet | thanks |
| 16:53.40 | revertTS | valdyn: there's a bit of a difference between adding a FF extension and compiling a program |
| 16:53.41 | stew | xsamurai: how would you use xmodmap to do that? |
| 16:53.59 | valdyn | revertTS: extensions are not compiled? |
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| 16:54.36 | jair | if I want to run the command ntpdate against an specific server duing the boot time of my system lenny where should I put the command? |
| 16:54.40 | jair | rc.local? |
| 16:54.44 | xsamurai | stew: http://cweiske.de/howto/xmodmap/allinone.html |
| 16:54.49 | valdyn | revertTS: its a program, it gets to run, it needs security fixes occasionally |
| 16:55.02 | Drakeson | run xev, press the desired keys (MUTE, etc) and take note of their keycodes. then write an ~/.Xmodmap file and load it with xmodmap to test |
| 16:55.17 | Alpounet | thanks xsamurai |
| 16:55.23 | valdyn | revertTS: thats perfectly enough to qualify for a distro, but irrelevant as debian even ships pictures in packages or documentation in packages |
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| 16:55.34 | xsamurai | anybody im stumped |
| 16:55.56 | valdyn | revertTS: packaged gets what a debian developer packages. They're all volunteers. |
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| 16:57.32 | revertTS | VulpesFoxnik: I definitely agree with you about plugins; just making sure I wasn't missing anything |
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| 16:58.01 | Drakeson | wishes for a way to install .deb's locally (e.g. in ~/.opt, as PREFIX) ... |
| 16:58.04 | Jemt | Hi. Is there a program available that minimizes all open windows in Gnome? I need to invoke it as a program/command |
| 16:58.25 | valdyn | Drakeson: dpkg -x ? |
| 16:59.00 | Drakeson | valdyn: heh. of course not. :) |
| 16:59.14 | stew | Drakeson: why not? |
| 16:59.16 | valdyn | Jemt: metacity can be "remote controlled" via python, you can probably find some thing on google |
| 16:59.34 | Jemt | valdyn: Okay, thanks :) |
| 16:59.45 | dennis_p | stella 1.3 2003 failed to complete make on lenny. hmh no atari 2600 games for me :-( |
| 17:00.05 | valdyn | Jemt: its very few lines of code, im sure you can easily find more complex stuff, just minimizing could be in some example tutorial program or somesuch |
| 17:00.12 | Drakeson | stew: aren't paths (/usr/lib/, /etc, ...) hard-coded in all those packages? |
| 17:00.25 | Jemt | valdyn: Yes, probably. I'll check google :) |
| 17:00.26 | stew | Drakeson: yes, they are |
| 17:00.30 | Drakeson | so they are not useable for local installation. |
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| 17:01.57 | valdyn | Drakeson: perfectly usable |
| 17:02.12 | valdyn | Drakeson: every user can configure his linker just as he wants to |
| 17:02.34 | hark | Jemt: try wmctrl |
| 17:03.04 | Jemt | hark: That sounds really interesting. Thank you very much :) |
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| 17:03.29 | valdyn | Drakeson: look at fakechroot also |
| 17:03.33 | Drakeson | valdyn: you know, it is not just /usr/lib. there are paths such as /usr/share/some-directory/some-image.jpg that are also hard-coded. |
| 17:04.03 | valdyn | Drakeson: look at fakechroot |
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| 17:05.03 | valdyn | Drakeson: im not sure they are hardcoded that way btw |
| 17:05.10 | valdyn | Drakeson: they dont have to be |
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| 17:06.15 | eFfeM | hi, i just installed debian on a beagleboard and for some reason my kbd is not working when I get to the login screen, before I could get a terminal window and the keyboard would work, also the kbd is detected when the system boots, and mapped to /class/input/input1 It is a PS2 kbd connected through a ps2 to usb adapter, anyone an idea what is wrong ? |
| 17:06.17 | stew | Drakeson: if you find places where things like that are hardcoded, but could be avoided, file bugs, send patches |
| 17:06.38 | eFfeM | the mouse (which is connected to the same adapter) does work ! |
| 17:07.05 | dennis_p | how can one say to packagers that stella has been unmaintained for 2 years? |
| 17:07.33 | Drakeson | stew: there are too many places, I imagine. The idea of using a locally extracted .deb has been brushed off in #debian-devel, for instance. |
| 17:08.07 | Drakeson | stew: like you, I believe the right way is not to hardcode any such path. |
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| 17:10.28 | Drakeson | there are efforts such as freedesktop.org's XDG_DATA_DIRS="/usr/share:$HOME/.some-dir/share", but they have not reached most packages yet. |
| 17:11.06 | Drakeson | keeps wishing for a brighter future :) |
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| 17:11.33 | Alpounet | thanks guys, my xmodmap file works very well |
| 17:12.28 | stew | Drakeson: it will happen faster if you do something about it |
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| 17:13.35 | abrotman | dennis_p: Iseli is the maintainer? |
| 17:14.47 | dennis_p | abrotman: yes, a bug report says there was no response to mails |
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| 17:15.54 | abrotman | dennis_p: the last activity on that bug was over six months ago .. maybe try appending the bug |
| 17:16.29 | abrotman | dennis_p: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/beyond-pkging.html#mia-qa |
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| 17:24.21 | Asad2005 | when trying to open a cfg file i got a warning stating can not open file.cfg the file indicates its of type cfg document while content of plain text. How do i get rid off this warning ? |
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| 17:27.03 | maligor | Asad2005, with what? |
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| 17:27.53 | ryanCH | how difficult is it to get wireless setup on debian? |
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| 17:28.32 | Asad2005 | maligor, just double clicking it showuld open with text editor gedit |
| 17:28.52 | Asad2005 | >>should |
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| 17:29.32 | maligor | Asad2005, if you're using gnome, you can check with right click context menu, the topmost item in it is what it uses to open it by double click |
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| 17:31.12 | hark | ryanCH: depends |
| 17:32.24 | ryanCH | hark: aptitude install ndiswrapper ?? |
| 17:33.02 | hark | ryanCH: no, which wireless card? |
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| 17:33.45 | ryanCH | hark: USB Linksys adapter |
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| 17:34.18 | batcoder-7 | how can i unrar but keep the directories ?> |
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| 17:35.37 | cwheeler | how do I apply the debian kernel patches the debian way? |
| 17:36.14 | hark | ryanCH: do you know the chipset? |
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| 17:36.39 | ryanCH | hark: atheros, probably... |
| 17:37.18 | osfd | Hi, do you know how to restart the sound please |
| 17:37.25 | hark | ryanCH: are you running debian now? |
| 17:37.38 | ryanCH | hark: not at the moment, no. |
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| 17:39.45 | hark | ryanCH: what's the model name? wusb..? |
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| 17:43.19 | ryanCH | hark, yeah |
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| 17:45.05 | zepp^ | I have a problem, Lenny ships with 2.6.26 kernel, but the mainstream Intel 5100/5300 Wifi Link (which I have) is only supported from 2.6.27 up. The wiki points to installing the kernel from the experimental repository, but then there is no NVIDIA driver.. does anyone know a solution? |
| 17:45.11 | cwheeler | are debian kernel patches applied automatically by make-kpkg? |
| 17:45.53 | cwheeler | if you use the NVIDIA driver from thier website and compile the interface module it should work |
| 17:46.03 | zepp^ | oh and I rather not use a experimental kernel |
| 17:46.18 | bjv | How best can you force Apt to ignore a dependency? |
| 17:46.18 | bjv | libwebkit depends on libglib2.12.12-1osso10 but i run 2.12.12-1osso9 |
| 17:46.36 | abrotman | bjv: which version of debian is this? |
| 17:46.39 | bjv | i dont want to upgrade libglib - ive done it in the past and it does not end well. |
| 17:46.56 | bjv | abrotman: uh.. not a mainstream one, this is on a nokia handheld |
| 17:47.05 | abrotman | so maemo ? |
| 17:47.07 | bjv | abrotman: equivs package is not in their repo |
| 17:47.08 | bjv | yeah |
| 17:47.11 | abrotman | ask #maemo |
| 17:47.27 | bjv | fair enough, mostly an Apt question though |
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| 17:47.39 | abrotman | and they give you your apt |
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| 17:47.55 | zepp^ | cwheeler, I rather use nvidia and linix-image from the repositiry, because of easy updates |
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| 17:48.18 | cwheeler | I'm looking for docs on applying debian kernel patches? |
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| 17:49.30 | Gruelius | if you "quick format" something or use fdisk does it just edit the partition table? |
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| 17:50.12 | Gruelius | cause i had a disk that was quick formatted to ntfs then i deleted the partition with fdisk but when i booted up with it it added itself to the md raid array |
| 17:50.32 | Gruelius | as a healthy device |
| 17:50.48 | Gruelius | now i got some stuff wrong on one of my lv's |
| 17:52.19 | zepp^ | there is no chance that kernel 2.6.27 will ever be introduced in Lenny right? |
| 17:52.36 | stew | zepp^: none |
| 17:52.45 | hark | ryanCH: it would help if you provide the exact name. |
| 17:53.04 | stew | zepp^: newer versions of 2.6.26 might, and when we get a new upstream version it would be at least 2.6.29 and probably something newer than that |
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| 17:54.39 | zepp^ | stew, a new upstream version, like squeeze you mean? |
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| 17:55.12 | enouf | cwheeler: use debian source, it's patched already - make-kpkg builds |
| 17:55.25 | hark | ryanCH: if not, then for ndiswrapper, /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 17:55.33 | stew | zepp^: i mean something newer than 2.6.26 from kernel.org, something like 2.6.27 or 2.6.41 or something |
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| 17:56.20 | cwheeler | thanks enouf that was what i was trying to find out |
| 17:56.25 | zepp^ | yes, but it will never be introduces in Lenny right? Only in squeeze I suppose |
| 17:56.40 | enouf | eventually a lenny-backports kernel will be available, iinm |
| 17:56.56 | zepp^ | oh that would be great |
| 17:56.59 | enouf | same as it worked for etch |
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| 17:57.10 | stew | zepp^: no, lenny will get a newer upstream version at some point, as etch did when etch got 2.6.24 (called 'etchnhalf') |
| 17:57.24 | zepp^ | aah oke :-) |
| 17:57.33 | bjv | Is there an alternative to using Equivs in apt? |
| 17:57.43 | batcoder-7 | anyone here use unrar with debian? |
| 17:58.04 | zepp^ | just ask :P |
| 17:58.25 | cwheeler | I have batcoder-7 |
| 17:58.36 | batcoder-7 | how can i keep the directories? |
| 17:58.47 | batcoder-7 | like right now its just putting all the files in the same dir |
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| 17:59.00 | cwheeler | I forget run it without any params and it prints help |
| 17:59.35 | cwheeler | unrar x ... |
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| 18:10.09 | Dabuti | Hi, I've got a problem with my Debian, somehow losed my sources.list, what can i do ? |
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| 18:14.26 | Mohammad[B] | hi all |
| 18:14.48 | Mohammad[B] | how to i can install intel 536EP modem in Debian Lenny ? |
| 18:16.40 | zepp^ | Dabuti, did you delete it? |
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| 18:17.01 | zepp^ | Dabuti, you might create a new one: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-sources.list |
| 18:17.41 | Dabuti | ok thanks zepp^ |
| 18:18.42 | myeggo | hello, after an upgrade and dist-upgrade (i am in testing), i have no sound, i tried to restart alsa-utils, sudo alsaconf says all ok, sometimes i had this problem and restarting my computer was enough, but i am not so lucky this time |
| 18:18.44 | myeggo | some clue? |
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| 18:20.10 | myeggo | the music player (i tried rhythmbox, listen music player, vlc) wont start, i press play but wont work |
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| 18:22.32 | eXp`iRc|4348 | !list |
| 18:22.32 | dpkg | exp`irc|4348: VATTENE VIA |
| 18:22.41 | eXp`iRc|4348 | ciao a tutti |
| 18:22.50 | eXp`iRc|4348 | scusa |
| 18:22.53 | eXp`iRc|4348 | !list |
| 18:22.54 | dpkg | exp`irc|4348: VATTENE VIA |
| 18:23.01 | eXp`iRc|4348 | fottiti |
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| 18:24.01 | orgthingy | http://pastebin.com/m35c87868 anybody help |
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| 18:25.32 | hark | myeggo: what happens when you run "speaker-test -c2 -twav"? |
| 18:27.50 | myeggo | oh, can i paste 2 lines or better pastebin? |
| 18:28.16 | myeggo | well nvm, it says: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave (and the next line) translation: device is busy |
| 18:28.33 | myeggo | but i restarted right now, i checked ps aux| and i have no music players running |
| 18:28.54 | esteel | For all opensource first person shooters: Nexuiz has released a new version.. http://nexuiz.com i hope the debian repo will soon update too :-) |
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| 18:29.05 | hark | myeggo: run alsa force-reload as root |
| 18:29.14 | orgthingy | debian repo...update SOON ;P ? |
| 18:29.26 | orgthingy | nah, itll just take them year or 2, no worries |
| 18:29.39 | myeggo | speaker test says the same message |
| 18:29.53 | myeggo | after alsa force-reload |
| 18:30.02 | orgthingy | killall alsa iirc? |
| 18:30.08 | orgthingy | wouldnt that work? |
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| 18:30.28 | myeggo | orgthingy: no process killed :/ |
| 18:30.35 | myeggo | and ps aux has no +alsa* process |
| 18:30.38 | myeggo | *alsa* |
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| 18:31.24 | orgthingy | myeggo: I've just joined btw, so i dont know what is the issue your facing |
| 18:31.30 | orgthingy | can you describe it for me? |
| 18:31.53 | myeggo | sure :) simply i have no sound after an upgrade |
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| 18:32.06 | LiCeT | hi all |
| 18:32.11 | orgthingy | myeggo: what did you upgrade exactly |
| 18:32.16 | WX_0 | myeggo: Did you try running alsaconf? |
| 18:32.26 | orgthingy | myeggo: try stuff like PulseAudio by the way, may help, not sure though |
| 18:32.29 | myeggo | WX_0: yes i tried, it says all ok, and have fun |
| 18:32.43 | WX_0 | myeggo: Your user account may not be in the audio group |
| 18:32.54 | WX_0 | myeggo: Try this command: cat /etc/group | grep audio |
| 18:33.01 | WX_0 | myeggo: What's the response? |
| 18:33.12 | myeggo | well it was working until now (executing id i see audio group) |
| 18:33.18 | myeggo | pulseaudio sends lots of errors |
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| 18:33.31 | myeggo | et: pid.c: Daemon already running. E: main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. |
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| 18:33.46 | et | myeggo: pid.c: Daemon already running. E: main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. |
| 18:34.04 | myeggo | ouch, sorry |
| 18:34.07 | myeggo | E\: pid.c: Daemon already running. E: main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. |
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| 18:34.33 | orgthingy | well, its already running.. |
| 18:34.34 | orgthingy | but no sound? |
| 18:34.41 | myeggo | yea :/ |
| 18:34.45 | orgthingy | "killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio force-reload" |
| 18:34.45 | WX_0 | myeggo: I meant is your user account in the audio group? |
| 18:34.51 | orgthingy | if there's force-reload option or such |
| 18:35.04 | myeggo | WX_0: uid=1000(sentencia) gid=1000(sentencia) grupos=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),110(netdev),115(powerdev),116(vboxusers),1000(sentencia) |
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| 18:35.37 | orgthingy | http://pastebin.com/m35c87868 anybody help :P ? |
| 18:35.44 | myeggo | orgthingy: http://rafb.net/p/g46kAn48.html |
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| 18:36.24 | orgthingy | first, you dont have privilages |
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| 18:36.32 | myeggo | orgthingy: i am not expert as you can see, but did you tried to find that library in somewhere else? |
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| 18:36.43 | orgthingy | second, do it with sudo or su |
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| 18:37.00 | Dabuti | Is there any web that explains how to install Debian + kde4 for noobs like me ? please :S |
| 18:37.00 | myeggo | wave: main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless --system is specified). heh |
| 18:37.08 | orgthingy | but go to #pulseaudio since i myself dont deal with PA atm |
| 18:37.15 | orgthingy | myeggo: fail xDD |
| 18:37.16 | orgthingy | lol |
| 18:37.20 | hark | orgthingy: what's the output of dpkg -l gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad |tail -1 |
| 18:37.50 | orgthingy | ii gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad 0.10.11-2 GStreamer plugins from the "bad" set |
| 18:37.53 | hark | Dabuti: /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 18:38.04 | Dabuti | ok thanks |
| 18:38.08 | hark | judd: versions gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad |
| 18:38.10 | judd | hark: gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad -- etch: 0.10.3-3.1 etch-security: 0.10.3-3.1+etch1 lenny: 0.10.7-2 squeeze: 0.10.10.3-1 sid: 0.10.11-2 |
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| 18:38.33 | hark | orgthingy: did you check the bts? |
| 18:38.41 | orgthingy | bts/ |
| 18:38.41 | orgthingy | ? |
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| 18:39.48 | BeardedAvenger | hi, I'm having trouble with my system bootup using lenny. when I have my soundcard in it hangs at "waiting for /dev to be fully populated' I removed the sound card to find out it was the pcspkr module causing it to hang up. I tryed adding the pcspkr module to blacklist but it's still not working. Anyone have any idea on how to fix this? |
| 18:40.58 | D4T | hi all, can someone take a look at my dmesg output: http://pastie.org/436170 is it me or are my drives taking too long to start and are degrading my raid on boot? |
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| 18:43.17 | hark | !btssmite orgthingy |
| 18:43.18 | dpkg | beats orgthingy around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if orgthingy is running testing or unstable |
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| 18:44.13 | orgthingy | ok :p |
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| 18:45.01 | hark | !dbugs 521898 |
| 18:45.06 | dpkg | #521898:G[liblrdf0] gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad: gstreamer fails to initialize due to segfault while loding ladspa plugin (); Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:33:05 UTC [522366] |
| 18:45.26 | hark | orgthingy: ^^ |
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| 18:46.31 | D4T | anyone? :( |
| 18:46.53 | enouf | D4T: try rootdelay=20 or something |
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| 18:47.07 | D4T | enouf: ok will give it a go ty |
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| 18:47.38 | daftd | If I have a great Idea but I really dont care. where can i post it to make sure noone can do un GPL stuff with it? |
| 18:47.38 | megatog615 | does sid have its own channel? |
| 18:48.13 | daftd | megatog615: that could be nice :) |
| 18:48.21 | megatog615 | so im assuming there isnt |
| 18:48.23 | megatog615 | ok |
| 18:48.24 | megatog615 | well |
| 18:48.29 | megatog615 | anyone else use 2.6.29? |
| 18:49.13 | daftd | nope, i jumped to lenny and see how good it is |
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| 18:50.58 | megatog615 | well on 2.6.29 my network connection eventually just stops working and the only way to get it back is the reboot |
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| 18:51.18 | megatog615 | i tried rmmod/modprobe for forcedeth which is what i use |
| 18:51.22 | megatog615 | that didnt work |
| 18:51.32 | megatog615 | i also tried restarting network-manager |
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| 18:51.47 | megatog615 | and ifdown/ifup eth0 |
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| 18:53.03 | orgthingy | magentar: use wicd |
| 18:53.09 | orgthingy | much better than buggy network-manager |
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| 18:54.29 | megatog615 | i dont think its network-manager causing it |
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| 18:57.19 | enouf | D4T: do i recall correctly you are/were running etch, using a etch-backports (or similar kernel), and thought older mdadm in that release was the cause of your raid woes - and that you had to run Etch for some proprietary software? ... but now, i see a .29 kernel in your dmesg - if you built it, you should do it right...and ensure your initrd is built, installed and updated properly - Debian's kernels and mdadm do all this correctly alread |
| 18:57.25 | enouf | D4T: (not that no bugs ever existed here and there, but it works fine all by itself most of the time, and you stay within / use versions from the same release) |
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| 18:59.30 | Melsom_ | Hello.. Where just wondering if someone could help me out with preseeding. |
| 18:59.54 | D4T | enouf: Actually, I thought it was the mdadm software too so swapped the Lenny to test, alas my issues still exists. I have to compile custom kernel as otherwise I run into hardware issues resulting in non-boot. |
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| 19:00.13 | Melsom_ | Im trying to boot over pxe, and im passing locale + netcfg parameters to kernel. it does configure ip/netmask/gateway, but "netcfg/get_nameservers" parameter does not work. |
| 19:00.23 | Melsom_ | It still asks for nameservers, even with the value set. |
| 19:00.30 | Melsom_ | This is Debian etch by the way.. Any clue? |
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| 19:03.31 | Melsom | Anyone familiar with preseeding? |
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| 19:11.04 | macman_ | how can i make a folder bootable ? |
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| 19:13.26 | adama1 | I'm going to go with: write it to a floppy disk |
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| 19:13.58 | dergringo | apt-get remove --purge mediatomb leaves mediatomb installed |
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| 19:15.52 | daftd | where? |
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| 19:16.31 | enouf | D4T: what is that thing, some sort of macintel server with a quadcore xeon or somehting? |
| 19:16.44 | Melsom | Anyone familiar with preseeding a Debian install? |
| 19:16.58 | enouf | the installation guide is |
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| 19:17.32 | Melsom | enouf: Ive tried everything here, but passing on "netcfg/get_nameservers" as a boot parameter won't work for me. |
| 19:17.39 | enouf | take a look at preseed.txt referred from there |
| 19:17.46 | Melsom | It still asks for nameserver address :/ |
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| 19:18.15 | enouf | i'm not intimate with the entire process - sorry |
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| 19:18.56 | adama1 | Melsom: so put in a NS address |
| 19:19.26 | Melsom | adama1: I've tried: netcfg/get_nameservers=195.159.0.100 |
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| 19:19.48 | adama1 | and? |
| 19:20.05 | Melsom | adama1: The installer still asks for nameservers. |
| 19:20.08 | Melsom | thats where im stuck :p |
| 19:20.41 | Melsom | passing netcfg/get_ipaddress, get_netmask and so on works just fine. i just can't figure out why it wont take the nameserver :-/ |
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| 19:22.06 | adama1 | confirm your syntax and that IP addy I guess, check connectivity, I don't know anything about preseeding |
| 19:24.08 | verme | has to go |
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| 19:28.29 | aryah | hi! regarding imap service of gmail im having trouble with, if I try telnet imap.gmail.com 993 i also get Connection refused. This shouldnt be happening i presume? |
| 19:29.05 | aryah | Im not sure how to debug this problem, so I tried that.. |
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| 19:31.29 | kantor | hi |
| 19:31.30 | kantor | somebody used, heard abot mausezan ? |
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| 19:35.13 | chomwitt | hi. i get a very strange kernel thing in all my terminals in lenny when network manager tries to connect wireless. (i've installed the rt61 legacy ,instead of kernel's rt61pci which was very unstable) http://pastebin.com/mbc883ae |
| 19:35.36 | valdyn | aryah: your isp |
| 19:35.50 | valdyn | aryah: verify that you can access different mail or imap servers |
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| 19:41.18 | aryah | sorry, valdyn, what do you mean? I should try my ISPs imap? hm, i used it so long ago last time, it will be difficult to remember how to login.. This just started happening a day ago, it worked fine, i didnt mess with the config in the meantime |
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| 19:48.20 | aryah | aha, I checked, its even worse than that, my ISP uses POP so that wont test much |
| 19:49.25 | Blime | aryah: your ISP blocks SSL encrypted IMAP? |
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| 19:50.09 | valdyn | aryah: non google imaps |
| 19:50.13 | deadbeef | excuseme guys, i've a really huge problem: after an aptitude upgrade, i don't need to type my password to log on my system |
| 19:50.20 | valdyn | aryah: if you cant access any -> isp blocking them |
| 19:50.32 | deadbeef | both for normal users and root |
| 19:50.36 | deadbeef | how can i solve that? |
| 19:50.42 | Bo0sTeR | hello, I have a little problem with Lenny ... My eggdrop can not connect? you have a solution? |
| 19:50.48 | Blime | i've never heard of an ISP blocking IMAP, maybe SMTP, but never IMAP |
| 19:51.07 | nsadmin | Bo0sTeR: that would be a problem with your eggdrop |
| 19:51.11 | valdyn | aol used to force all smtp thru their smtp proxy |
| 19:51.42 | dondelelcaro | deadbeef: you've probably screwed up your pam configuration |
| 19:52.03 | deadbeef | dondelelcaro: how can i default it? |
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| 19:52.44 | Bo0sTeR | no ... the eggdrop is well configured ... but I believe his problem would be a port close ... |
| 19:52.55 | Bo0sTeR | nsadmin no ... the eggdrop is well configured ... but I believe his problem would be a port close ... |
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| 19:53.28 | dondelelcaro | deadbeef: well, first see what it says in /etc/pam.d/common-auth |
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| 19:54.08 | nsadmin | Bo0sTeR: so the egg ran fine on this same machine before lenny was on it? |
| 19:54.29 | deadbeef | dondelelcaro: here it is: Authority_ [default=1]pam_permit.soauthrequisitepam_deny.soauthrequiredpam_permit.so |
| 19:54.49 | dondelelcaro | deadbeef: uh... put it in a paste site |
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| 19:55.38 | Bo0sTeR | nsadmin I do not speak English very well I use a translator ... I have therefore nothing .. |
| 19:55.50 | deadbeef | maybe now it's more clear: auth [default=1] pam_permit.so auth requisite pam_deny.so auth required pam_permit.so |
| 19:56.41 | dondelelcaro | deadbeef: well, your problem is that you aren't checking pam_unix.so |
| 19:56.55 | Bo0sTeR | nsadmin >> The eggdrop is installed on the same machine ... Services links running eggdrop but it does not connect ... |
| 19:56.57 | nsadmin | Bo0sTeR: do you have a name for this machine you try to run the egg on? |
| 19:57.02 | deadbeef | dondelelcaro: i did pam-auth-update and it works again! |
| 19:57.03 | dondelelcaro | deadbeef: and using a paste site would be better, because it's quite possible you're mistyping things |
| 19:57.04 | deadbeef | thanks a lot! |
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| 19:57.27 | deadbeef | it started a graphical interface and i re-enabled password auth! |
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| 19:57.31 | deadbeef | thanks again |
| 19:57.59 | deadbeef | btw good to know auth is done trough pam and account informations can be stored on dbms's, ldap servers etc. |
| 19:58.02 | deadbeef | it's all pretty flexible |
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| 19:59.02 | deadbeef | thanks again mat |
| 19:59.03 | deadbeef | *e |
| 19:59.04 | deadbeef | bye |
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| 19:59.39 | Bo0sTeR | nsadmin >> How a name? for my eggdrop I connected through the ip challenge ... |
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| 20:02.09 | nsadmin | Bo0sTeR: I don't know what is IP challenge |
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| 20:04.14 | Bo0sTeR | nsadmin >> I find it hard to make myself understood ... If you prefer, the eggdrop itself does not not connect to irc server ... When I try to go to his party-line that does not connect: s |
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| 20:06.44 | maligor | yeah, more likely something breaks in forcedeth or hw reg |
| 20:06.52 | maligor | heh, buffer way off |
| 20:07.24 | Mummu | Hello...Some linux expert who can tell me some things...on debian... |
| 20:08.04 | aryah | hm, looks my firewall was somehow messed up. I opened a port as if I were the imap server, and it worked. I though, wtf it worked without that too, so closed the port, and it still works.. wtf? well, as long as it doesnt do such nonsense too often :) |
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| 20:08.42 | Mummu | how good is debian installed on a powerbookg4? |
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| 20:08.56 | davi | "Asus" or "Gigabyte" motherboard for lenny? |
| 20:09.12 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.15 | Shockcore | dd if=/dev/random of=/root/zap.key bs=1 count=256 why is this taking a long long time? its only 256 bits lol |
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| 20:09.54 | dondelelcaro | davi: depends more on the chipsets and other things on the board |
| 20:10.14 | dondelelcaro | davi: but see http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 20:10.53 | davi | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 20:11.23 | dkr | what is it that makes it so that if a user's password is 12345678 that the system will not count 12345678foo as a valid password? I don't see a pam option, could this be simply because of using md5 instead of crypt in /etc/shadow? |
| 20:11.45 | Mummu | kkk |
| 20:12.46 | maligor | dkr, crypt passwd matches that? |
| 20:12.49 | dondelelcaro | dkr: if you're using just crypt, and not any of the other hash functions, yes. |
| 20:13.28 | dkr | maligor: yeah, it basically truncates anything greater than 8 chars, then crypts it, so extra characters after the 8th are ignored |
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| 20:13.49 | dondelelcaro | dkr: but it's /etc/pam.d/common-password; the default in Debian is md5, but you can easily switch to sha512 or back to just crypt |
| 20:13.53 | DarkUranium | hey |
| 20:14.14 | dkr | dondelelcaro: yeah, i saw that. just wanted to be sure that the md5 was the reason for the different behaviour. thanks |
| 20:14.18 | dondelelcaro | dkr: man pam_unix; for details |
| 20:14.19 | DarkUranium | is there any way to get the official flash player (64-bit alpha) working with Iceweasel? |
| 20:14.45 | dondelelcaro | dkr: it's the difference between the standard crypt, and crypt that uses md5, sha256 or sha512 (or similar) |
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| 20:15.21 | maligor | DarkUranium, copy it to the plugin search path |
| 20:15.33 | DarkUranium | maligor: what is the plugin search path? |
| 20:15.52 | dondelelcaro | dkr: man crypt; for details about that |
| 20:16.06 | maligor | /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 20:16.17 | maligor | there's a few others too |
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| 20:16.40 | maligor | like /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
| 20:16.49 | dkr | dondelelcaro: heh, a little while ago I was trying to figure out why I didn't have that man page on debian stable :) |
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| 20:17.17 | DarkUranium | yay |
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| 20:17.19 | DarkUranium | thanks, maligor |
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| 20:20.20 | dkr | for anyone's info, needed to install manpages-dev |
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| 20:21.25 | dkr | it's really awkward moving to a fresh install after years of installing software/packages/tweaking configs. :) |
| 20:21.58 | nsadmin | that should probably be renamed or included in glibc-doc? |
| 20:26.08 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: it's not part of the glibc soource, so it can't be in glibc-doc |
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| 20:35.35 | macman_ | hey all |
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| 20:35.59 | macman_ | whats the smallest iso /debian distro i can use for a 100mb ram box ? |
| 20:36.47 | nsadmin | you could try a netinst |
| 20:38.11 | ijuz_ | macman_: does not really matter, when you don't run something it won't need ram |
| 20:38.46 | khaije1 | iscsi exports devices rather than filesystems, correct? |
| 20:38.53 | martian67 | macman_, plain debian is just fine |
| 20:38.59 | martian67 | khaije1, yes |
| 20:39.10 | martian67 | just dont use gnome or kde |
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| 20:40.22 | khaije1 | martian67: ok i thought so, so if i want to export a filesystem (on an lv) is that possible? with losetp perhaps? |
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| 20:41.05 | martian67 | should be possible |
| 20:41.13 | martian67 | i dont know the exact proceedure however |
| 20:41.32 | khaije1 | hmm... |
| 20:41.43 | khaije1 | i'm gonna try it, thx martian67 |
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| 20:46.43 | macman_ | hmm |
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| 20:47.47 | carsten | Hi! I just install debian lenny on my acer aspire one. unfortunatly, the wlan nnetwork card (with an atheros chipset) does not work. I googled on the internet an found a solution: I should install a special kernel. I already downloaded this special kernel, but I have no idea how to install it. Can you point me to a step by step tutorial? |
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| 20:49.33 | nsadmin | carsten: if it's a .deb just use dpkg to install it |
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| 20:51.01 | carsten | no, it was a tar.bz2 file |
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| 20:51.27 | nsadmin | maybe it's the kernel source |
| 20:52.18 | carsten | i already unpacked it, i only got 2 folders, one was called boot, the other lib |
| 20:52.48 | nsadmin | I have no idea for that |
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| 20:54.07 | carsten | perhaps, do you know of a kernel that supports my wlan chip? perhaps you know a kernel, that is in a .deb package? |
| 20:54.10 | nsadmin | does boot/ have a kernel .config file? |
| 20:54.57 | nsadmin | does lspci show it? |
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| 20:55.26 | jair | if I want to send two files using scp I can use this command: scp -rvp file1.zip file2.zip user@ipaddress:/directory/ |
| 20:55.52 | jpinx | Is there an application that will open a .pdf document as a text document - ignoring the images? |
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| 20:57.11 | pablo | hi, i know it is not recommended, but is there a way of forcing the installation of a package without a dependency? |
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| 20:57.34 | nsadmin | pablo: dpkg --help |
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| 20:57.56 | prime2 | jpinx: pdftotext |
| 20:58.21 | carsten | nsadmin: lspci shows my wlan card, and boot has no kernel .config file |
| 20:58.40 | martian67 | carsten, try /proc/config.gz |
| 20:58.49 | stew | pablo: why do you want to? |
| 20:59.07 | martian67 | pablo, dpkg -f |
| 20:59.10 | stew | you can force it to install without a dependency, but it will compain until you fix it |
| 20:59.24 | jpinx | prime2: thanks - that was too easy ;) |
| 20:59.31 | nsadmin | pablo: and you're right, it's not recommended as the depended-on is needed for the thing you want to install |
| 20:59.46 | nsadmin | perhaps to work at all |
| 20:59.51 | stew | martian67: -f needs an argument. I don't think it does what you think it does |
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| 21:00.24 | martian67 | jpinx, the result wont always be clean |
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| 21:01.05 | jpinx | martian67: ok - I'll live with dirty :) |
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| 21:01.12 | carsten | martian67: i have no /proc/config.gz |
| 21:01.16 | eitan | hello all. |
| 21:01.33 | eitan | I have a debian .deb file that I want to install. How do I do that? |
| 21:01.43 | pablo | nsadmin: what? |
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| 21:01.53 | dkr | eitan: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 21:02.01 | nsadmin | eitan: dpkg --help |
| 21:02.20 | jpinx | eitan: dpkg -i your.foo.bar.deb |
| 21:02.36 | eitan | thanks all!!! it worked |
| 21:02.43 | jpinx | eitan: and note the dependencies it might want |
| 21:05.03 | jpinx | martian67: pdftotext does not appear to be in lenny |
| 21:05.14 | jpinx | judd: versions pdftotext |
| 21:05.15 | judd | jpinx: pdftotext -- |
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| 21:05.42 | nsadmin | judd versions pdfutils |
| 21:05.43 | judd | nsadmin: pdfutils -- |
| 21:05.48 | nsadmin | judd versions pdftools |
| 21:05.48 | judd | nsadmin: pdftools -- |
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| 21:06.39 | jpinx | judd: versions xpdf-utils |
| 21:06.39 | judd | jpinx: xpdf-utils -- etch-security: 3.01-9.1+etch4 etch: 3.01-9.1+etch5 etch-backports: 3.02-1.4~bpo40+1 lenny: 3.02-1.4 sid: 3.02-1.4 squeeze: 3.02-1.4 |
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| 21:08.24 | hepta | hello. i had this nice ncurses program that allowed me to do stuff with the network interfaces like mac poisoning. whats it called again? ive been trying to remember real hard 8-/ |
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| 21:08.49 | carsten | hepta , kismet? |
| 21:09.08 | jpinx | judd: versions poppler-utils |
| 21:09.09 | judd | jpinx: poppler-utils -- etch: 0.4.5-5.1etch3 etch-security: 0.4.5-5.1etch3 lenny: 0.8.7-1 sid: 0.10.4-3 squeeze: 0.10.4-3 |
| 21:09.20 | hepta | no, wasnt that. was more like net* i think. thanks anyway |
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| 21:09.38 | eitan | Does anyone here use gimpshop? I'm having trouble with it. |
| 21:09.55 | hepta | carsten: it wasnt for wireless |
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| 21:11.28 | carsten | hepta , sorry i assumed you mean wireless. i only know a windows tool that can such things (like arp-poisoning) it was called cane |
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| 21:12.27 | hepta | carsten: i think it was just ettercap, yeah. it has curses gui |
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| 21:14.38 | eitan | I guess not. Bye all. |
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| 21:17.26 | carsten | how can i remove the network-manager? |
| 21:17.45 | jpinx | aptitude purge network-manager |
| 21:18.01 | carsten | jpinx: thanks! |
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| 21:18.40 | abrotman | jpinx: sure .. take all the easy ones! |
| 21:18.47 | jpinx | ;) |
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| 21:25.04 | pablo | force apt-get to ignore broken dependencies |
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| 21:25.15 | pablo | how do i force apt-get to ignore broken dependencies? |
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| 21:26.13 | adb | fixing sources ? |
| 21:26.36 | bolt | holy cow |
| 21:26.40 | bolt | just discovered filelight |
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| 21:26.49 | bolt | what the heck have i been doing without it? |
| 21:26.50 | kriebz | pablo: apt-get -d the package you want |
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| 21:27.10 | kriebz | pablo: then find it in your package chache, and use dpkg to install it, with force |
| 21:27.25 | kriebz | pablo: but... what youre' doing it messy. don't so it unless you have to |
| 21:27.49 | Devrethman | is /etc/ddclient.conf supposed to have commas and backslashes at the end of the line |
| 21:27.57 | kriebz | bolt: I've been a very happy customer and never heard of filelight |
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| 21:28.09 | Devrethman | cause the default one does not, but running ddclient errors out saying Use of uninitialized value in string ne at /usr/sbin/ddclient line 1973. |
| 21:28.12 | bolt | kriebz: try it :) |
| 21:28.19 | pablo | kriebz: i did so, but in the next upgrade it crys |
| 21:28.25 | Devrethman | if I put them in, it doesn't error, but it doesn't do anything |
| 21:28.38 | kriebz | pablo: put a hold or pin on the package |
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| 21:29.19 | kriebz | bolt: oh, one of those |
| 21:29.24 | kriebz | that's cool |
| 21:29.38 | kriebz | not sure if that's the one that comes with GNOME these days or not |
| 21:29.44 | kriebz | and most of my boxes are headless |
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| 21:30.08 | pablo | kriebz: how? |
| 21:30.23 | kriebz | pablo: google. I don't remember the details myself |
| 21:30.37 | kriebz | "pin" is definately an apt/dpkg term though |
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| 21:31.36 | kriebz | Devrethman: I don't know what ddclient is, sorry |
| 21:31.38 | stew | pablo: you can't make apt ignore broken dependencies. what is the broken dependency? |
| 21:31.48 | stew | pablo: perhaps you want equivs? |
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| 21:32.43 | stew | pablo: a pin or hold is not what you want |
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| 21:34.05 | pablo | stew: what is what i want? |
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| 21:34.41 | stew | pablo: what is the dependency you don't want to resolve? |
| 21:35.08 | pablo | stew: what does hold or pin does? |
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| 21:35.55 | stew | pablo: hold tells apt not to upgrade a package. pin changes the priorities apt uses to decide which of the available versions of a package to install |
| 21:36.03 | stew | pablo: neither of those is what you want |
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| 21:36.12 | bolt | kriebz: so are mine. i just mount them with sshfs and use the tool anyway, though. disk usage is really one of the areas where a gui shines |
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| 21:36.29 | stew | pablo: it sounds like maybe you want equivs |
| 21:36.30 | baggerz | Hello, my file-system switched to read-only mode, how can I turn it back to normal again? |
| 21:36.47 | pablo | stew: ok thx |
| 21:36.52 | stew | baggerz: do you know how or why it switched to readonly? |
| 21:37.04 | bolt | baggerz: you might want to check your logs first |
| 21:37.24 | baggerz | stew: don't know exactly but I'm getting this when fsck'ing: Superblock has an invalid ext3 journal (inode 8). Clear<y>? |
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| 21:38.12 | stew | baggerz: ok, I was asking to make sure you knew that you should probably fsck it. but you can remount it readrwite by adding "-o remount,rw" to the mount command |
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| 21:39.01 | baggerz | ok thanks stew |
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| 21:39.56 | solifugus | Anyone have any experience with debian on ppc? |
| 21:40.34 | stew | solifugus: lots of people, there is also a #debianppc channel |
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| 21:44.00 | dmarkey | what do i put in sources.list to get software upgrades, not just security advisories |
| 21:44.18 | maligor | on lenny? |
| 21:44.21 | dmarkey | ye |
| 21:44.32 | dmarkey | xen specifially |
| 21:44.55 | stew | dmarkey: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 21:45.46 | AleUdin |  hi everyone. i cannot find /dev/parport0 on my debian. can someone help me? |
| 21:45.57 | foetus | how could i prevent an package from installing without comimg into conflicts with dependencies? |
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| 21:54.13 | devicenull__ | does lennny support ext4? |
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| 22:01.01 | bolt | in bash, when I have a directory, type half its name and then press tab, it autocompletes and adds a slash. if i, however, start typing the name of a symlink to another directory, it will not add the following slash until i press tab again. is there a way to change that? |
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| 22:02.34 | GNU\colossus | bolt: I don't know, but IF there is a way, it depends on readline and its configuration file, ~/.inputrc |
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| 22:11.49 | devicenull | alright I'm confused |
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| 22:11.59 | devicenull | I have a mkmkfs.ext4 |
| 22:12.05 | devicenull | but no way of mounting ext4 parititons? |
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| 22:13.53 | jpinx | chatuser: there is iirc |
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| 22:14.39 | devicenull | alright, I loaded the ext4dev module and still can't mount this |
| 22:14.59 | jpinx | chatuser: giyf |
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| 22:23.45 | jla | is there a command to list device-mapper mappings? |
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| 22:28.14 | subsume | When I ssh into my debian box, it doesn't seem to take up my entire terminal. yet programs like vim expand the whole thing. is it a problem with my local terminal or my server bash? |
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| 22:29.18 | jla | it looks like I was after dmsetup ls and dmsetup deps |
| 22:29.47 | jla | subsume: what doesn't take up the whole screen? your x-term, or the text in your x-term? |
| 22:30.06 | subsume | jla: when I run pdb in a pythonscript.... its like half terminal |
| 22:30.11 | subsume | everything else seems to be full term |
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| 22:30.42 | jla | so specifically a pdb issue? what about top |
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| 22:31.09 | subsume | let me check |
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| 22:31.21 | subsume | hard to say |
| 22:31.25 | subsume | they aren't that wide to begin with |
| 22:31.26 | retro_neo | I just upgraded to lenny, and now I'm having probs with some packages, for ex: proftpd-basic: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.6.1-1+b1 is installed. |
| 22:31.37 | cafuego | add columns to make it wider (f) |
| 22:31.50 | cafuego | !info libc6 lenny |
| 22:32.25 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-18 (lenny), Packaged size: 4333 kB, Installed size: 10512 kB |
| 22:32.26 | subsume | libc6? |
| 22:32.48 | cafuego | retro_neo: Pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 22:32.49 | cads | what kind of kernel errors are recoverable? |
| 22:33.00 | jla | subsume: so the problem in pdb is the width, not the height? |
| 22:33.01 | cafuego | cads: Non-fatal ones. |
| 22:33.31 | subsume | jla: someone in python said it my by 'numpy' just spitting out like that ... http://dpaste.com/23409/ |
| 22:33.35 | jla | I find most programs work with larger xterm sizes, but I need to resize xterm window before starting them. not too many dynamically get wider |
| 22:33.43 | cads | i've been having trouble for a while, seemingly related to power management on my laptop.. sometimes a notification will pop up and tell me about a kernel failure |
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| 22:33.49 | subsume | jla: i did start it wider... =( |
| 22:34.07 | retro_neo | cafuego: http://pastebin.com/m6df14f7e |
| 22:34.12 | cads | it asks if I'd like to send some data about the failure to kerneloops.com... how can I see the report myself? |
| 22:34.17 | cafuego | cads: When it does that, open a terminal and run `dmesg' to see the kernel log ... might give you more info about what happened. |
| 22:35.23 | cafuego | retro_neo: odd, 2.6.1-1+b1 is certainly *not* the current Lenny version. Have you recently run aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade? |
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| 22:36.14 | jla | subsume: idk. I'd suspect pdb before thinking your term was wrong or whatever. if most other programs go wide - like ls /etc filling the full width - then they must be able to pick up the fact your term is wider |
| 22:36.22 | jla | could also try screen |
| 22:37.30 | retro_neo | cafuego: yes, I also upgraded the kernel (2.6.24dedibox-r8-c7) |
| 22:37.58 | cafuego | retro_neo: Oh this is on a hosting service? I suspect then that their mirror is out of sync. |
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| 22:38.29 | retro_neo | cafuego: yes its provided by the hosting company of that server |
| 22:38.42 | cafuego | retro_neo: Adding info for a working mirror on /etc/apt/sources.liost and then re-updating should fix it - it will probably pull in a LOT of updates, though. |
| 22:38.55 | retro_neo | cafuego: re-running dist-upgrade gives dependency errors |
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| 22:39.15 | retro_neo | cafuego: ok, will try that |
| 22:39.18 | cafuego | retro_neo: Add in an up to date mirror first. |
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| 22:40.03 | cafuego | retro_neo: ... and it is probably a good idea to make sure that a dist-upgrade latser does not install a new non-dedibox kernel for you. |
| 22:40.15 | cafuego | retro_neo: ... of that it's not set as default if it does. |
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| 22:41.59 | retro_neo | cafuego: and should I add 'contrib' in addition to 'main' ? |
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| 22:42.13 | cafuego | retro_neo: If you want to use contrib packages, yes ;-) |
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| 22:42.33 | cafuego | retro_neo: Adding it shouldn't break anything, anyway. |
| 22:43.14 | retro_neo | ok, will try without first |
| 22:44.18 | retro_neo | cafuego: there are indeed hundreds of new updates, thanks! |
| 22:44.26 | cafuego | enjoy :-) |
| 22:44.40 | retro_neo | those outdated mirrors are really uncool |
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| 22:45.08 | cafuego | they may not know, maybe send them a mail to tell them. |
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| 22:46.04 | retro_neo | yep, will do |
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| 22:51.34 | octoserver | is there a way to get the mic boost to show up inthe mixer, i dont have it in Debian ? |
| 22:51.54 | cafuego | Are you using Gnome? |
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| 22:53.43 | dkr | octoserver: try alsamixer? |
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| 22:54.16 | octoserver | yea |
| 22:54.24 | octoserver | i dont have the micboost |
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| 22:55.03 | octoserver | my mixer channels are really different in here too. Is there something that chooses what channels show up when alsa installes? |
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| 22:55.37 | diazepam | can anyone recommend a system that will allow for a backup server to take the place of the primary server should it fail |
| 22:56.05 | diazepam | the server is a fileserver, MYSQL, Postfix, Dovecot, and PDC |
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| 23:00.40 | mmonix | "server refused our key" .. but sshd still let me connect remotely .. wtf? |
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| 23:03.14 | cafuego | mmonix: Did it ask you for a password? |
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| 23:03.26 | mmonix | cafuego: yes |
| 23:03.34 | cafuego | So that's fine then. |
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| 23:03.43 | cafuego | key auth was rejected, so password auth was used. |
| 23:04.09 | mmonix | cafuego: i'm trying to verify that authentication is being used (by trying a bad private key) |
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| 23:04.27 | mmonix | cafuego: i want to see it reject my attempt |
| 23:04.37 | mmonix | cafuego: because i have a bad key |
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| 23:05.13 | cafuego | Then you need to disallow password auth. |
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| 23:06.22 | cafuego | mmonix: You can't have it use a fallback auth mechanism and expect it to not use that if the primary method fails :-) |
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| 23:06.31 | AndreLuiz | how can i add a package to the debian official repository ? |
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| 23:06.44 | cafuego | AndreLuiz: Find a sponsor |
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| 23:07.27 | mmonix | cafuego: passwordauthentication no |
| 23:07.34 | AndreLuiz | where ? hehe =P |
| 23:07.43 | cafuego | and you reloaded the server? |
| 23:07.53 | mmonix | cafuego: yes, reload;restart |
| 23:07.57 | AndreLuiz | googled |
| 23:07.58 | AndreLuiz | thx |
| 23:08.02 | cafuego | Hmmm. Naughty. |
| 23:08.36 | jla | ChallengeResponseAuthentication no |
| 23:08.47 | cafuego | cha |
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| 23:11.59 | jla | mmonix: that work? |
| 23:12.35 | mmonix | lemme try .. sec |
| 23:13.39 | jla | optionally perhaps UsePam no, but I haven't tried it that way. for ssh key only I do: RSAAuthentication yes; PubkeyAuthentication yes; PermitEmptyPasswords no; ChallengeResponseAuthentication no; PasswordAuthentication no |
| 23:14.31 | mmonix | didn't work |
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| 23:15.00 | mmonix | i have spaces before these statements in sshd_config .. does that matter? |
| 23:15.16 | jla | I don't think so, but mine have no leading or trailing spaces |
| 23:16.12 | jla | I have all those options (plus many others) one per line, no leading or trailing space |
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| 23:16.44 | jla | if your config is wrong it should tell you so when you invoke-rc.d ssh restart |
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| 23:17.52 | jla | the challenge/response one is needed because by default is' configured to use pam and ssh server considers pam as challengeresponse not just the plain text password |
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| 23:18.58 | mmonix | do you need both RSAAuthentication and PubkeyAuthentication? |
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| 23:19.21 | mmonix | is default RSA? |
| 23:19.52 | jla | I dont remember on that. it's been forever since I set that up. I know what I have works for ssh key only logins |
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| 23:20.27 | nsadmin | what is ip challenge? what is it to connect via ip challenge? |
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| 23:21.03 | jla | nsadmin: no idea. I'd need more context |
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| 23:21.42 | bpun | nsadmin, there's no ip challenge.. |
| 23:22.09 | nsadmin | some guy was here before saying there was a problem with "his lenny" because his eggdrop couldn't connect (to the irc server? to a botnet? he didn't actually say) |
| 23:22.30 | bpun | nsadmin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenge-handshake_authentication_protocol |
| 23:22.54 | bpun | nsadmin, chap is better than pap |
| 23:23.28 | mmonix | jla: ever try to ssh to your machine using a different private key? |
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| 23:23.39 | nsadmin | oh, that's used with ppp |
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| 23:24.11 | bpun | nsadmin, ppp is data link layer.. see osi |
| 23:24.21 | bpun | nsadmin, ip is transport layer |
| 23:24.42 | metalac | hey guys, I'm trying to install cyrus-imapd, but apt can't find it |
| 23:24.48 | bpun | i cant reportbug here |
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| 23:25.05 | cafuego | apt knows you don't *really* want to use cyrus ;-) |
| 23:25.23 | metalac | anyone knows what could be wrong? i got the main lenny branch in sources |
| 23:25.24 | nsadmin | bpun: ip generally rides over ppp when it's used |
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| 23:26.03 | jla | mmonix: sure. putty says "Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available" |
| 23:26.04 | bpun | nsadmin, no it doesnt |
| 23:26.25 | mmonix | :( that's what i want to see |
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| 23:27.00 | jla | mmonix: PuTTY Event Log says: Disconnected: No supported authenication methods available |
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| 23:27.13 | jla | right after "Server refused public key" |
| 23:27.27 | bpun | nsadmin, read up about encapsulation |
| 23:27.39 | nsadmin | bpun: then either the packets travel at the same level as ppp or there's an additional layer |
| 23:27.42 | bpun | nsadmin, ip payload does get encapsulated.. |
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| 23:28.12 | octoserver | can i update a specific package? |
| 23:28.30 | nsadmin | try apt-get install thatpackage |
| 23:28.46 | octoserver | just installing will reinstall the newest? ok |
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| 23:29.10 | bpun | nsadmin, encapsulation/decapsulation takes place many times .. so ip does not ride on ppp .. also it doesnt make sense to say ip rides on ppp even for 2 nodes |
| 23:29.15 | nsadmin | and it will update it if there is a newer one available |
| 23:29.20 | metalac | weird cyrus-imapd doesn't work, but cyrus-imapd-2.2 does |
| 23:29.37 | jla | mmonix: idk. what I do know is I wanted my servers to be ssh key only, and those are the lines I changed to those values to make it happen. best of luck |
| 23:30.00 | nsadmin | bpunx |
| 23:30.14 | nsadmin | errp :) |
| 23:30.37 | nsadmin | bpun: so maybe he was saying he uses chap to connect... |
| 23:30.40 | mmonix | jla: does it have anything to do with putty already previously having established a connection? is my remote machine already trusted or something? |
| 23:30.45 | nsadmin | it wasn't clear either way |
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| 23:31.16 | bpun | nsadmin, chap is an auth requirement to establish the data link layer.. for his PC to his isp only.. chap is not used past that point-to-point link.. |
| 23:31.27 | jla | mmonix: i dont think so, but you can test. log into a different user account |
| 23:31.37 | nsadmin | yes I understand that |
| 23:31.51 | jla | mmonix: each session is uniquely authd, but the 2nd account lets you test different keys more easily |
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| 23:32.17 | nsadmin | except for the fact he was on irc, it wasn't clear whether the box he was referring to was connected to the net |
| 23:32.36 | nsadmin | he didn't say, and I didn't get to the point where I was going to ask |
| 23:33.04 | bpun | nsadmin, ppp is only between u and ur isp.. so thats why encaps/decaps takes many places along a route between 2 ip hosts.. ur ppp does not connect ur ip# to say google's ip# -> meaning a ppp "frame" is not sent to google from ur connection |
| 23:33.34 | bpun | nsadmin, wiki encapsulation.. |
| 23:33.38 | nsadmin | it turns it into a packet first |
| 23:33.48 | bpun | nsadmin, chap is only for ur PC to ur isp only.. |
| 23:34.04 | nsadmin | I do understand that :) |
| 23:34.28 | bpun | nsadmin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encapsulation_%28networking%29 |
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| 23:34.39 | nsadmin | I was actually using slip before |
| 23:34.54 | nsadmin | too many years ago |
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| 23:35.29 | bpun | nsadmin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model << notice ppp is in data link layer on the table.. |
| 23:35.38 | bpun | nsadmin, slip is superceded by ppp |
| 23:35.49 | nsadmin | yes, and good thing too :) |
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| 23:36.26 | jla | bpun: what's with the strong concern about making sure we all understand OSI? :D |
| 23:36.28 | nsadmin | slip didn't have a way to auth, so you'd log in first and then start its slip and then yours |
| 23:37.03 | bpun | nsadmin, i think u now know how to fix some of that chap issue.. |
| 23:37.04 | bpun | :) |
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| 23:38.07 | nsadmin | well it was never clear whether by "IP challenge" he meant chap... |
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| 23:38.32 | skilz | how do I set my screen resolution and refresh rate for xorg, im using fluxbox. I ran dpkg-reconfigure xorg and there was no options |
| 23:38.52 | jla | skilz: that threw me for a loop too :) |
| 23:39.01 | adama1 | skilz: xrandr? |
| 23:39.15 | bpun | nsadmin, maybe he's using a "pap" configuration instead of using "chap" in his connection software |
| 23:39.21 | jla | I believe you use a control panel, but if it doesn't know because your monitor didn't tell it, you have to write the settings into xconf by hand anyway |
| 23:39.34 | adama1 | skilz: xrandr -s 800x600 for example |
| 23:39.57 | nsadmin | bpun: there were just too many things that were not made clear then |
| 23:39.59 | bpun | reportbug << how to use smtp without auth? my isp uses cleartext |
| 23:40.10 | jla | bpun: maybe he was talking about kerberos or ssh public key auth |
| 23:40.22 | bpun | nsadmin, if in doubt.. wikipedia is a good reference |
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| 23:40.56 | bpun | jla, ssh doesn't use ip challenge |
| 23:41.03 | bpun | jla, or chap |
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| 23:41.23 | bpun | jla, ssh uses private/pub key pairs |
| 23:41.32 | jla | bpun: give me the wikipedia entry that tells me what "ip challenge" is |
| 23:41.42 | mmonix | jla: do you have private key @ : .ssh/authorized_keys or .ssh/authorized_keys2 ? |
| 23:41.44 | bpun | jla, there's no ip challenge.. |
| 23:41.51 | bpun | jla, it's called chap |
| 23:41.53 | jla | bpun: exactly so you can cool it on chap |
| 23:42.07 | jla | because you dont' knwo the origional person meant chap or not |
| 23:42.32 | nsadmin | unless he comes back and gets really much clearer about everything, it's not going to happen... I asked because I wanted to know what the closest thing was, and chap is probably it |
| 23:42.45 | bpun | nsadmin, can he connect to his isp? |
| 23:43.04 | jla | mmonix: authorized_keys |
| 23:43.15 | nsadmin | no idea, he's not here :) |
| 23:43.39 | bpun | nsadmin, he's probably using wvdial or pppoe |
| 23:43.40 | nsadmin | and I just checked my scrollback, and it looks like it's limited |
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| 23:44.05 | bpun | jla, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chap |
| 23:44.06 | nsadmin | I can't see any of the conversation we had, can't see his nick either |
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| 23:44.21 | jla | ok, I've had enough "oh noes someone on the internet might be wrong" for today. Have a good evening everyone. Best of luck mmonix. |
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