| 00:00.32 | jamin | isnt this boring? |
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| 00:01.17 | jamin | nobody talks |
| 00:01.32 | stew | jamin: if you have a debian related question, please just go ahead and ask it |
| 00:01.47 | stew | jamin: if you are looking for a social channel, try #defocus |
| 00:01.49 | dondelelcaro | takuan: those are usually rendering bugs |
| 00:02.08 | takuan | dondelelcaro: but I didn't have those under macosx |
| 00:02.12 | takuan | nor in swiftfox |
| 00:02.20 | takuan | and so many? |
| 00:02.29 | dondelelcaro | takuan: if they show up in current versions of iceweasel and firefox, you can try filing bugs against upstream's bugzilla with examples |
| 00:02.40 | dondelelcaro | takuan: what type of artifacts? |
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| 00:02.49 | takuan | second |
| 00:02.57 | takuan | i'm going to take a screenshot |
| 00:03.07 | jamin | ok |
| 00:03.24 | jamin | thanks ill try it |
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| 00:07.51 | tuute | hi all, anyone experienced any issues with gconf? |
| 00:08.10 | at0m|c | tuute: what's yours? |
| 00:08.21 | tuute | gnome-panel exploded and has an error stating that it "Failed to contact configuration server" but gconfd is running |
| 00:09.41 | spope_ | how do I upgrade to the newest version of python, the debian version I have seems only to have 2.4, I need 2.5 |
| 00:09.43 | tuute | I've checked what I updated today and gnome-panel is among that |
| 00:09.47 | adama1 | tuute: did you recently upgrade? restart X |
| 00:09.52 | spope_ | the repo only seems to have 2.4 |
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| 00:10.01 | tuute | adama1: did that |
| 00:10.11 | tired- | anyone using pd-extended? |
| 00:10.19 | tuute | checked the changelog of gnome-panel and nothing there |
| 00:10.22 | takuan | dondelelcaro: http://reinaert.albrecht.googlepages.com/iceweasel.jpg |
| 00:10.23 | takuan | sorry |
| 00:10.29 | takuan | took me a while to put up |
| 00:10.31 | tuute | spope_: aptitude install python2.5 |
| 00:10.31 | tired- | i cannot install it on debian testing because it needs packages that i cannot install |
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| 00:12.20 | takuan | if i lower the zoom than i get http://reinaert.albrecht.googlepages.com/iceweasel2.jpg |
| 00:12.26 | takuan | that's without artifacts |
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| 00:13.42 | spope_ | tuute, should I remove 2.4 first? |
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| 00:13.53 | Zharf | takuan, you talk of artifacts and you use jpg :) |
| 00:13.59 | Zharf | funny fellow |
| 00:14.12 | takuan | Zharf: it's more than clear enough |
| 00:14.28 | Zharf | I see no other than jpg artefacts though |
| 00:14.34 | takuan | and even then, did you check if it was 70% or 100% jpg? |
| 00:14.39 | takuan | Zharf: look better |
| 00:15.14 | takuan | notice the space underneath "Foros de charla" |
| 00:15.21 | takuan | the entire thing is offset |
| 00:15.25 | zinx | looks like an issue with the HTML, not the browser |
| 00:15.26 | Zharf | ah |
| 00:15.33 | takuan | in iceweasel.jpg there's no problem |
| 00:15.46 | takuan | zinx: i have a similar problem with slashdot.org |
| 00:15.54 | takuan | i guess that's not an html problem |
| 00:16.11 | Zharf | it's because webdesigners are silly |
| 00:16.15 | zinx | does it change if you scroll down&up? |
| 00:16.17 | Zharf | and there's no standard browser |
| 00:16.31 | zinx | Zharf: there is a standard HTML. it's a sucky standard, but it's a standard :/ |
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| 00:16.41 | takuan | zinx: it does on the latest nightly build |
| 00:16.48 | Zharf | zinx, it's a recommendation, and no one follows it exactly |
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| 00:16.54 | zinx | hmm, didn't know iceweasel nightlies were in Debian |
| 00:17.01 | takuan | they don't |
| 00:17.08 | takuan | firefox nightlies |
| 00:17.13 | takuan | 64 bit nightlies |
| 00:17.24 | tuute | Ricoshady: if you want it to be the default probably it's your best choice. I'm sure there is a way to change it afterwards but I don't know it |
| 00:17.26 | takuan | there are no other 64 bit builds from firefox |
| 00:18.01 | zinx | Debian has 64-bit iceweasel |
| 00:18.26 | takuan | and that's where I'm having problems |
| 00:18.36 | takuan | whereas with the swiftfox build I have no problem at all |
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| 00:21.01 | tired- | is anyone using pd-extended? |
| 00:21.45 | takuan | same problem with swiftweasel btw |
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| 00:29.35 | takuan | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg541360.html |
| 00:29.38 | takuan | i'm not alone |
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| 00:34.39 | ddalton | is debian-user mailing list down? I don't think my messages are coming through |
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| 00:36.02 | abrotman | ddalton: how are you checking? |
| 00:36.28 | ddalton | abrotman: well I don't receive my list message, and haven't got anything from it for the last 2 hours |
| 00:36.34 | ddalton | 1 and a half actually |
| 00:36.42 | ddalton | and i posted just then |
| 00:36.51 | abrotman | maybe there's just no traffic? |
| 00:36.56 | abrotman | or you killed it! |
| 00:37.18 | ddalton | abrotman: I killed it? |
| 00:37.25 | abrotman | ddalton: check the web archives .. they update every .. 20 minutes or so IIRC |
| 00:37.27 | ddalton | but i sent a post like 5 min ago |
| 00:37.58 | ddalton | abrotman: got a link or shall i google? |
| 00:38.04 | takuan | ok, solved |
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| 00:38.52 | abrotman | ddalton: lists.debian.org ? |
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| 00:39.32 | ddalton | abrotman: ok |
| 00:39.42 | takuan | praise the lord |
| 00:39.50 | takuan | it was a render bug in exa |
| 00:40.13 | enouf | EXA, the X thing? |
| 00:40.23 | enouf | ddalton: hi ;-) |
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| 00:45.18 | enouf | ddalton: "The last update was on 23:20 GMT Mon Apr 06. There are 581 messages. Page 2 of 2." from http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/04/mail2.html so according to my calculations that was ~ 2 hours and 20 minutes ago |
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| 00:46.57 | dondelelcaro | an hour and 20, but yeah. |
| 00:48.03 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: if you have the message id handy, I can tell you what happened |
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| 00:48.46 | ddalton | message id? |
| 00:48.51 | ddalton | how would i get that? |
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| 00:49.04 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: it's in the headers that should have been put on the message when you sent it |
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| 00:49.36 | ddalton | dondelelcaro: alright ill have a look, do you know how to make mutt show all headers temparilary |
| 00:49.37 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: Message-ID: <op.urzj0r1zcfnueu@localhost> for example |
| 00:49.44 | ddalton | temperily |
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| 00:50.02 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: h or hit ? and look for display-toggle-weed |
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| 00:50.22 | micols_ | anybody know how to get dhcp automagically with wpa_supplicant running in the background? i tried allow-hotplug wifi0 in 'interfaces' file without luck |
| 00:50.33 | dondelelcaro | (I don't remember if h is the default keybinding; my mutt keybindings are almost entirely customized) |
| 00:50.53 | micols_ | mine is 'h' as well |
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| 00:52.23 | ddalton | oh right that works |
| 00:52.24 | ddalton | here |
| 00:52.26 | ddalton | Message-ID: <20090407003046.GA8011@debian-hp.lan> |
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| 00:53.51 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: it hasn't gone out; checking to see if we've even seen that message-id |
| 00:54.03 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: so yeah, that message-id hasn't been sent to liszt.debian.org at all |
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| 00:54.34 | ddalton | dondelelcaro: hmm, should i try a resend? |
| 00:54.44 | ddalton | does the list except gpg attachments |
| 00:55.21 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: yes, but what I'm saying is that we haven't even seen that message-id at all. It is somewhere lost between your mail client and liszt. |
| 00:55.41 | ddalton | dondelelcaro: damn. |
| 00:55.55 | ddalton | dondelelcaro: i seem to be getting through to other lists ok. |
| 00:56.27 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: you (or someone else) with a similar hostname have sent things through without problems |
| 00:56.58 | ddalton | dondelelcaro: yes, in the past I have. |
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| 00:57.43 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: but anyway, see what your own mail logs say |
| 00:57.55 | enouf | on a similar note; i can't seem to turn off mail coming in from the debian-powerpc list :-P (but it's to a yahoo account i never even bother with anymore) |
| 00:57.56 | ddalton | dondelelcaro: shall I send a message and see what happens? |
| 00:58.00 | ddalton | resend* |
| 00:58.11 | dondelelcaro | enouf: if you get mail from it, you can unsubscribe |
| 00:58.21 | dondelelcaro | enouf: if you're not sure what the account is, look at the headers |
| 00:58.35 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: you can... but better to check your mail logs |
| 00:59.16 | enouf | dondelelcaro: i've tried unsubscribing, thank you ... obviously i didn't do it properly ;-) |
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| 01:01.36 | dondelelcaro | enouf: if you unsubscribe with a from of that account, or using the web form, the confirmation will come through to you. If you're still unable, mail listmaster@lists.debian.org with details, and I (or someone else) will help you |
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| 01:03.16 | enouf | dondelelcaro: let me see here .. i just didn't want to start marking it all as spam to stop it ... and i am now reviewing my unsubscription attempts - thanks for the help |
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| 01:04.38 | ipstatic | anyone have a solution to compile the binary NVIDIA driver on the 2.26.29 kernel in Sid? |
| 01:05.06 | ddalton | dondelelcaro: ok I just fired one off, everything else is sending ok, can you see if anything new comes in? |
| 01:05.09 | ddalton | easily or not? |
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| 01:05.51 | Witch-King | enouf, what program did you mention earlier for serial communication? |
| 01:06.23 | stew | Witch-King: probably minicom |
| 01:06.29 | Witch-King | that's it. |
| 01:07.00 | Witch-King | is minicom gui or tui? |
| 01:07.12 | stew | its ncurses |
| 01:07.13 | enouf | Witch-King: yes, as stew mentioned, but also gtkterm for GUI |
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| 01:08.06 | Witch-King | i am not at liberty to use a gui :P but thanks |
| 01:08.25 | enouf | good for you! ;-) |
| 01:08.27 | jetscreamer | ipstatic: compile your own kernel |
| 01:08.57 | jetscreamer | it's what i do ... i'm still using .26 |
| 01:09.06 | jetscreamer | lazy |
| 01:09.22 | jetscreamer | d/l'd source, never got a round tuit |
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| 01:13.06 | enouf | dondelelcaro: would i then need to confirm the unsubsciption just as i needed to when i 1st subscribed? This is from what i sent, and i don't think i've ever been replied to, and if you'd like any other info (like Full headers), ask away - i'll gladly oblige |
| 01:13.11 | enouf | "Subject: unsubscribe To: debian-powerpc-REQUEST@lists.debian.org" |
| 01:14.23 | enouf | Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:56:49 -0800 (PST) |
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| 01:14.57 | enouf | hrm .. ewww .. PST? where'd that come from O_o |
| 01:15.13 | enouf | i'm -0500 here in NY |
| 01:15.22 | ipstatic | jetscreamer: is this going to be the solution from now on? I am lazy too, and having to recompile my kernel is work |
| 01:16.10 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: lists.debian.org handles a few hundred thousand messages a day, so no, I can't really watch it. If it doesn't go through, send listmaster@lists.debian.org mail with the information, or ask here again, or check your mail logs to make sure that liszt.debian.org got it |
| 01:16.44 | ddalton | dondelelcaro: where would i find my mail logs? /var/log/what? |
| 01:17.06 | dondelelcaro | enouf: yerp, you'd have to confirm the unsubscription request. If you didn't get a confirm message, something happened. If you try again, or tell me what e-mail address you're subscribed from, I can see what happened and/or generate a confirm request for you |
| 01:17.13 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: /var/log/mail.log or similar |
| 01:17.40 | ddalton | dondelelcaro: alright thx |
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| 01:18.52 | ddalton | nothing recent, ah well dw bout it... :) ill jst wait |
| 01:19.00 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ok .. i'll have some more info in a few .. thanks |
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| 01:19.36 | ddalton | hey, one other thing, I'm trying to build a live cd, is live-helper a good choice? |
| 01:20.16 | enouf | ddalton: i've heard of people using it, so i presume so - also see #debian-live perhaps? |
| 01:21.45 | ddalton | enouf: ah cool thx |
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| 01:22.35 | ddalton | enouf: what's the debian server again? irc.debian.org? |
| 01:22.44 | enouf | !live |
| 01:22.45 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). |
| 01:22.50 | enouf | ddalton: yes |
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| 01:27.04 | enouf | dondelelcaro: it seems i am an idiot .. (and/or i was just very busy with other things then, or maybe didn't realize i needed to (re)Confirm the un-subscription .. here's the (important?) message bit -> CONFIRM u03031603411058 |
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| 01:28.22 | enouf | dondelelcaro: i can easily PM you the email address and any all other info if needed - or should i just try again? and try anew? or just use that old one from early March? |
| 01:29.11 | dondelelcaro | enouf: yeah, just try again |
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| 01:29.28 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 01:32.16 | enouf | dondelelcaro: does the message Body need to be empty? (when i hit Reply to; it auto inserts all prior text) |
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| 01:36.40 | dondelelcaro | enouf: doesn't matter |
| 01:37.08 | enouf | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 01:42.31 | linch | somehow my second video card is not working today (for the first time); that is on windows though, but when i have installed that card on linux it's not visible the system too |
| 01:42.39 | jetscreamer | !wb streuner |
| 01:42.39 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! streuner has returned! |
| 01:42.59 | linch | my question is: should the system recognize that? |
| 01:43.03 | streuner | thanks |
| 01:43.10 | hollywoodb | linch: your card may be done for... does it show up in `lspci` ? |
| 01:43.33 | memnon | linch: hardware okay? |
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| 01:43.50 | linch | hi hollywoodb: no it's not listed |
| 01:44.30 | hollywoodb | brb |
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| 01:45.10 | linch | memnon: that i'm trying to figure out |
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| 01:45.58 | hollywoodb | linch: I would make sure the card is seated properly in its slot. it sounds to me like the card might be faulty |
| 01:46.09 | memnon | linch: Do you have another machine around? |
| 01:46.27 | linch | hollywoodb: i've checed that five times |
| 01:46.31 | memnon | Either the card or the board. |
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| 01:47.04 | linch | memnon: yes, i have checked it on my linux machine and it hasn't worked either |
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| 01:47.31 | memnon | So, too machines, two os, card is not found ... |
| 01:47.39 | memnon | two machines ... |
| 01:47.44 | linch | memon, yes |
| 01:48.08 | linch | what could it be? |
| 01:48.21 | memnon | graphic card dead imho |
| 01:48.27 | linch | should the system recognize the faulty card? |
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| 01:49.49 | wastedboy | hi, guys I'm a little confused with backing up data using rsync after disabling ssh using root |
| 01:50.10 | linch | memnon, what do you think? |
| 01:50.11 | ddalton | hmmm, still no mail to debian-user btw :( |
| 01:50.57 | linch | memnon, if it's broken should the system at least inform me about that? |
| 01:50.58 | memnon | linch: Depends on the defect. I am no hardware guru, but I have two gcards |
| 01:50.59 | memnon | here that are not recognized anymore: They are just dead. |
| 01:51.37 | memnon | linch: If the card is totally borked and not recognized anymore, how would |
| 01:51.37 | memnon | the os know about it? |
| 01:51.44 | linch | no |
| 01:52.11 | enouf | ddalton: hello |
| 01:52.26 | ddalton | ddalton: sorry testing highlighting |
| 01:52.36 | linch | memnon, that's what's interesting to me; there is no info about a card in a slot |
| 01:52.45 | ddalton | can someone type my name in a message to double check? |
| 01:52.51 | memnon | ddalton |
| 01:53.01 | memnon | this is a message to ddalton. testing |
| 01:53.05 | abrotman | linch: possible IRQ conflict? |
| 01:53.35 | ddalton | memnon: hi :) thx works braille hilighting! |
| 01:53.40 | wastedboy | any hints are appreciated, thanks in Advance :-) |
| 01:53.54 | linch | i'm just trying to confirm one thing, and that is: if a card is broken should the system recognize that or not? |
| 01:54.03 | memnon | wastedboy: Whats your question :) |
| 01:54.09 | abrotman | depends how it is broken one would think :) |
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| 01:54.26 | wastedboy | memnon: just need to backup using rsync while I've disabled sshing using root account |
| 01:54.27 | memnon | linch: As I said, I have two gcards here that are not recognized at all. |
| 01:54.28 | linch | abrotman: can you expend on that? |
| 01:54.54 | linch | memnon, but have never been recognized before? |
| 01:54.55 | memnon | wastedboy: a remote system? |
| 01:54.56 | linch | or have been? |
| 01:55.00 | wastedboy | memnon: I'm not sure what to look for, it's 4:00AM and I didn't sleep, so I'm a bit dizzy couldn't think straight |
| 01:55.08 | wastedboy | memnon: yup, my PC actually |
| 01:55.21 | wastedboy | and I'm trying to back something on it up using my laptop |
| 01:55.25 | memnon | linch: They used to work, not anymore. They are really dead ;) |
| 01:55.43 | linch | memnon, OK that answers my question |
| 01:55.49 | memnon | k |
| 01:55.49 | linch | thanks |
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| 01:57.03 | wastedboy | memnon: I don't even have connectivity I had to create sub-interfaces on both systems to connect them using a desktop switch |
| 01:57.47 | wastedboy | memnon: to watch for Internet connectivity when it comes back up |
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| 01:59.52 | wastedboy | memnon: I'm not sure If I answered your question correctly, but I believe that the answer is no, I don't think it's a remote system as It's my PC I have physical access, I'm trying this rsync backup as a test |
| 02:00.11 | memnon | Ah, okay. |
| 02:00.18 | Cueball | Apr 7 03:02:22 crush named[2541]: network unreachable resolving 'I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET/AAAA/IN': 2001:503:c27::2:30#53 <---- Anyone know why I'd be getting these errors? |
| 02:00.20 | wastedboy | I could've used a flash disk to back things up |
| 02:00.31 | wastedboy | but I didn't cause I'm trying to learn about the workings of rsync |
| 02:00.35 | wastedboy | and ssh of course |
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| 02:01.12 | memnon | So how do you connect the two machines? ethernet? |
| 02:01.14 | wastedboy | memnon: so now on my PC I've disabled sshing using root account, |
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| 02:01.48 | wastedboy | memnon: yes ethernet, each of them has a sub-interface now which is the gateway of the sub-interface of the other system |
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| 02:02.16 | Gun_Smoke | hook it up with passwordless logins... make some keys.. much better |
| 02:02.18 | wastedboy | memnon: and that is possible using regular UTP cables cause I'm using a switch |
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| 02:02.37 | qiyong | is sid still the latest? |
| 02:02.41 | qiyong | !sid |
| 02:02.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 02:02.42 | Kiss4ever | how i can pass an element of a data structure to one function |
| 02:02.45 | memnon | Well, I guess both machines have a fixed IP in your local network. You |
| 02:02.45 | memnon | could allow root *only from this IP*, no? |
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| 02:03.04 | abrotman | Kiss4ever: wrong channel ? |
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| 02:03.30 | wastedboy | memnon: yeah anything is possible those are my machines, the idea is that I'm trying to simulate a case of webserver or a mail server, you wouldn't allow root access via ssh |
| 02:03.33 | wastedboy | ? |
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| 02:03.41 | Kiss4ever | in C |
| 02:03.43 | Killabeez | how do i install a .deb package? |
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| 02:03.49 | qiyong | !sid |
| 02:03.50 | dpkg | from memory, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 02:03.50 | memnon | sigh |
| 02:03.57 | abrotman | qiyong: msg the bot already |
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| 02:04.09 | qiyong | is sid still the latest? |
| 02:04.19 | enouf | ... |
| 02:04.22 | Gun_Smoke | qiyong, dude... rtfm and the bot |
| 02:04.22 | gparent | Isn't there experimental |
| 02:04.22 | wastedboy | memnon: OK ask me :-) |
| 02:04.32 | enouf | qiyong: /msg dpkg releases |
| 02:04.33 | abrotman | gparent: that's not a full version |
| 02:04.37 | gparent | I see. |
| 02:04.46 | dkr | Killabeez: dpkg -i |
| 02:04.59 | memnon | wastedboy: Oh, okay. I only used this in my local network where no machine |
| 02:05.00 | memnon | had internet access while I did the backups. So I have no clue how this would |
| 02:05.00 | memnon | be done |
| 02:05.11 | qiyong | Software Packages in "experimental" |
| 02:05.12 | memnon | wastedboy: sigh did not mean you! |
| 02:05.18 | Killabeez | dkr, is there a way to force 64bit architecture? |
| 02:05.26 | qiyong | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.26 | wastedboy | memnon: yeah it's OK :-) |
| 02:05.27 | memnon | wastedboy: but the "how do I install a deb" question... |
| 02:05.31 | enouf | Gun_Smoke: someone stumbled onto an apt bot factoid earlier today that still had woody listed as the "Stable" release :-P |
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| 02:05.39 | qiyong | abrotman: Gun_Smoke^ |
| 02:05.44 | qiyong | enouf: ^ |
| 02:05.45 | abrotman | qiyong: experimental is not a full version of debian |
| 02:05.54 | Gun_Smoke | enouf, ha.. wow.. |
| 02:05.54 | abrotman | it's a very small subset of packages |
| 02:05.55 | wastedboy | memnon: w0w I didn't really notice that there were a "How doo I install a deb" question !!! |
| 02:06.05 | dkr | Killabeez: I don't know what you mean |
| 02:06.13 | qiyong | abrotman: how do i I download a full sid repos? |
| 02:06.25 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 02:06.25 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 02:06.31 | enouf | Gun_Smoke: let me try once here ... hrm .. |
| 02:06.34 | qiyong | experimental goes into sid?\ |
| 02:06.38 | memnon | wastedboy: There is a rsyncd. I am having a look at it... |
| 02:06.39 | qiyong | abrotman: ^ |
| 02:06.39 | enouf | apt: woody |
| 02:06.40 | apt | [woody] the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 02:06.44 | qiyong | !experimental |
| 02:06.44 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 02:06.46 | enouf | haha |
| 02:06.48 | beardy | !experi... |
| 02:06.50 | Gun_Smoke | wow. |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | qiyong: MSG THE BOT |
| 02:07.09 | enouf | qiyong: please stop flooding the channel ... |
| 02:07.19 | beardy | IMO that was needed though. |
| 02:07.26 | memnon | wastedboy: Check the rsyncd.conf man page with "man rsyncd.conf" and read it very carefully where security options are concerned. |
| 02:07.29 | enouf | !need |
| 02:07.29 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
| 02:07.30 | beardy | goes back to hiding. |
| 02:07.35 | qiyong | how do i I download a full sid repos? |
| 02:07.43 | enouf | no, that was needed ;-) |
| 02:07.44 | abrotman | enouf: please stop flooding the channel ... |
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| 02:07.46 | abrotman | hides |
| 02:07.48 | demantik | hi |
| 02:07.50 | enouf | !!! |
| 02:07.50 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 02:07.55 | demantik | hii |
| 02:08.04 | Gun_Smoke | this channel is almost as fucked at buntu atm |
| 02:08.08 | wastedboy | memnon: will do, by the way I couldn't find anything about rsyncd, I only could run rsync as a daemon by issuing the rsync --daemon command |
| 02:08.23 | wastedboy | memnon: thanks alot :-) |
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| 02:08.24 | demantik | i was trying to resize a partition (debian) with parted, but it said the fs has a feature which is unsupported or something ? |
| 02:08.51 | dkr | I hate those error messages that say "or something". :) |
| 02:08.54 | enouf | demantik: very possible ... many things |
| 02:09.01 | demantik | dkr: sorry ;) |
| 02:09.03 | beardy | Full error, "or something" doesn't do it. |
| 02:09.30 | memnon | wastedboy: As I said, I do not have any servers connected 24/7. I have no |
| 02:09.30 | memnon | clue how to lock them down tightly and securely. rsyncd.conf is just what I |
| 02:09.30 | memnon | found using google. You will have to evaluate how secure it is. |
| 02:09.34 | demantik | Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled. |
| 02:09.46 | abrotman | demantik: what kidn of filesystem is it? |
| 02:09.57 | demantik | abrotman: ext3 |
| 02:10.15 | enouf | tell us about your partition my friend - and any / all caveats, like LVM, RAID, Crypto, ACLs, Selinux, FSType, mount options, etc |
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| 02:10.47 | enouf | demantik: sounds like ext3 trying to use an ext4 feature? or XFS? or ... JFS? or .. |
| 02:11.10 | enouf | oh, he mentioned ext3 ... |
| 02:11.15 | enouf | catches up |
| 02:11.19 | demantik | no lvm, raid, crypto etc.. default debian options. perhaps i screwed up with the partitioning somehow. i'll double check fstab/mtab etc. |
| 02:11.22 | demantik | brb |
| 02:11.28 | enouf | demantik: wait |
| 02:11.29 | beardy | cools enouf down 4 pounds |
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| 02:12.28 | enouf | demantik: the sid and perhaps now too in squeeze versions of e2fsprogs want to use a 256byte inode size - whereas prior versions were using 128bytes .. and this can cause issues - read the Changelog |
| 02:12.51 | enouf | heh |
| 02:13.25 | enouf | demantik: are you trying to use a saved /home perhaps on a new installation? |
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| 02:13.51 | enouf | a /home partition that was generated using older e2fsprogs pkgs? |
| 02:14.19 | memnon | wastedboy: maybe this helps? http://www.linux.com/feature/113847 |
| 02:14.55 | wastedboy | memnon: Oh thanks for the link, I'm checking it now |
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| 02:17.39 | ddalton | how do I spread a cron line over two lines in the crontab? |
| 02:17.47 | ddalton | just add a \? it's mid command |
| 02:18.04 | wastedboy | memnon: thanks it helped :-) |
| 02:18.16 | memnon | wastedboy: :) |
| 02:18.30 | demantik | enouf: ive tried using live cds with the drive umounted of course and checked it with fsck/e2fsck .. i think the cylinder size is incorrect. perhaps thats the problem |
| 02:18.31 | rorx | ddalton: yeah, escape the newline, though there's nothing preventing you from having a line longer than your terminal's width. |
| 02:18.59 | ddalton | rorx: oh ok then |
| 02:19.00 | ddalton | thanks |
| 02:19.42 | demantik | enouf: do you know if rsync can properly copy a root fs to another drive/location? so i dont have to resize the root fs.. |
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| 02:20.13 | kdas | hello all |
| 02:20.46 | kdas | i am trying to connect to my debian server via ssh -X and i can run all programs that require X except for oowriter any ideas? |
| 02:20.48 | rorx | demantik: does debian not have something like BSD's dump & restore? that's what I'd use for that. |
| 02:21.05 | demantik | rorx: no clue, i am using debian for the first time in about 4 years :) |
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| 02:21.43 | demantik | kdas: take a look at nxserver |
| 02:21.51 | ddalton | ok, can someone out here tell me how often this line will run? even if findmail.py returns errors? I would expect 2 hours |
| 02:21.54 | ddalton | * */2 * * * /home/daniel/mail/findmail.py /home/daniel/mail/ > /dev/null 2>&1 |\| true |
| 02:22.00 | kdas | demantik, nxserver? |
| 02:22.11 | demantik | kdas: freenx sorry.. its sort of like vnc but it uses ssh |
| 02:22.14 | rorx | kdas: I'd see what the error is.. you likely are missing a certain extension on the X server side. |
| 02:22.24 | abrotman | ddalton: i don't think that's what you want |
| 02:23.07 | kdas | rorx, every other program works xeyes,iceweasel, etc so what does that mean ? |
| 02:23.33 | kdas | demantik, i just want to use ssh if possible i mean i have vnc on there but i find using ssh better |
| 02:23.57 | ddalton | abrotman: why? |
| 02:23.59 | rorx | kdas: well, some applications require certain X server extensions.. but it should tell you if that's the cause, in the error. |
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| 02:24.35 | demantik | kdas: freenx is much faster than vnc. im no expert on it, but give it a look some time. |
| 02:24.47 | enouf | demantik: sure, rsync can, but i wouldn't do it when / is mounted, but take a look at tar and the --one-filesystem option |
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| 02:24.52 | kdas | demantik, sure will thanks |
| 02:24.56 | rorx | ddalton: I think that's every 2 hours |
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| 02:25.06 | kdas | rorx, oowriter an't spitting out any errore |
| 02:25.20 | rorx | kdas: hmm does it just hang? |
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| 02:25.33 | enouf | demantik: er .. i mistakenly said when mounted, i meant when mounted in 'rw' , if mounted as 'ro' then sure |
| 02:25.36 | demantik | enouf: alright. it will handle symlinks etc? |
| 02:26.09 | rorx | enouf: but will GNU tar save all filesystem metadata? |
| 02:26.24 | enouf | demantik: i think the -a option even includes the option that handles that .. man rsync ;-) |
| 02:26.26 | ddalton | rorx: gd, from the logs it's ran more than 3 times it seems though, and the computer has only been up for 6 hours |
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| 02:26.32 | abrotman | ddalton: AFAICT, every other hour, it will run every minute |
| 02:26.41 | demantik | enouf: alright |
| 02:26.46 | enouf | rorx: why wouldn't it? sure, it maintains perms and such |
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| 02:27.30 | memnon | kdas: Did you everything like said here: http://nixcraft.com/getting-started-tutorials/170-run-remote-x-applications-over-network-using-ssh.html |
| 02:27.31 | kdas | rorx, no, i don't know if you have ever ran oowriter from the command line but it backgrounds it self |
| 02:27.33 | rorx | enouf: well, there's more than the POSIX metadata generally.. that's usually why filesystem specific archivers like dump are a better option, as they save everything. |
| 02:28.13 | kdas | memnon, thats actually insecure so instead i am using ssh -X |
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| 02:28.29 | ddalton | abrotman: yes from the logs it is running every minute |
| 02:28.35 | rorx | kdas: no I sure haven't.. but ok. hmm, sorry I can't help, you might look at the logs on the X server side, maybe it has something about it there. |
| 02:28.43 | memnon | kdas: So they do: ssh -X user@192.168.1.1 oowriter |
| 02:28.44 | abrotman | ddalton: but only every other hour |
| 02:29.06 | ddalton | abrotman: so how do I only make it run once every 2 hours? |
| 02:29.55 | abrotman | ddalton: * */12 * * * or * 0,2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22 * * * |
| 02:29.56 | enouf | rorx: well, then why bother with a FS level copy and use something like dd - i would tend to disagree with using dump in general for the purpose of copying or archiving, since it's obscure to me, but that's just my hunch, and lack of experience with using something like dump |
| 02:30.10 | abrotman | ddalton: erm .. sorry .. f'ed that up |
| 02:30.18 | abrotman | ddalton: 0 */2 * * * |
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| 02:31.15 | ddalton | abrotman: so 0 */2 * * z* command? |
| 02:31.24 | ddalton | no z |
| 02:31.25 | kdas | memnon, correct |
| 02:31.28 | ddalton | sorry |
| 02:31.29 | abrotman | ddalton: yeah |
| 02:31.31 | rorx | enouf: I would use it when modifying the filesystem size (assuming it's not growable). |
| 02:31.49 | kdas | i think it is a debian only problem cuz i have friends doing the same on arch servers and it works fine |
| 02:32.07 | ddalton | cool lemme try it!!! |
| 02:32.22 | memnon | kdas: *Exactly* the same setup? |
| 02:32.23 | rorx | yeah, that would be every 2 hours. |
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| 02:33.19 | kdas | memnon, well arch runs oowriter 3 and debian is only 2.2 and they are both different distros ;) |
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| 02:34.00 | smacnay | My cd/dvd drive is able to burn iso images, play music cd's but not read data dvd's. I am not sure if this is an issue with the hardware or if something is not configured properly (or maybe the dvd disks have "expired"). |
| 02:34.08 | memnon | kdas: Yeah, besides that. Same Setup? Might help to be sure that this is |
| 02:34.08 | memnon | really a debian specific prob. |
| 02:35.00 | smacnay | I am running testing with the Gnome de. |
| 02:35.06 | memnon | smacnay: it can burn dvd iso's, but not read dvds? |
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| 02:35.14 | smacnay | memnon: yes |
| 02:35.26 | smacnay | memnon: I watched a movie with it last night, actually. |
| 02:35.34 | memnon | smacnay: Well, thats interesting ;) |
| 02:35.55 | ericrw | anyone know of a utility that will atomically synchronize two files other than bittorrent? I have two block devices containing similar data (one is a mirror copied from a drive with bad blocks and has holes), and I want to synchronize them without copying the block devices over the network. |
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| 02:36.07 | smacnay | memnon: I hear it revving up but nothing ever appears in "df" or the nautilus file browser. |
| 02:36.12 | kdas | memnon, umm yea same setup ssh -X both systems |
| 02:37.05 | ericrw | if nobody knows, I'll just have to separate them into flat files and run rsync the files |
| 02:37.06 | smacnay | memnon: here is an interesting tidbit... Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods |
| 02:37.11 | HeXiLeD | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.18 | abrotman | ericrw: rsync ? |
| 02:37.25 | smacnay | memnon: something is not working in the software. |
| 02:37.48 | ericrw | abrotman:afaik, rsync copies whole files and won't atomically copy changes in them (maybe I'm wrong..?) |
| 02:38.01 | enouf | rdiff? |
| 02:38.54 | ddalton | sit, that explains my system's sluggishness, thanks abrotman |
| 02:39.01 | abrotman | ericrw: oh .. sorry, yes AFAIK |
| 02:39.02 | ddalton | running my backup script every minute :) |
| 02:39.07 | abrotman | ddalton: hehe |
| 02:39.18 | ddalton | shit* |
| 02:39.18 | enouf | smacnay: might you just be using a wrong Region Coded movie? |
| 02:39.44 | smacnay | enouf: this is actually data backed up to dvd. |
| 02:39.50 | enouf | smacnay: my dvdrw drive also has issues with reading certian DVDs ... |
| 02:40.06 | smacnay | enouf: these were all burned on this drive. |
| 02:40.07 | ericrw | abrotman: I should note that what I say is applicable for binary files - -rsync will copy a difference for text files |
| 02:40.21 | enouf | only movies though - and i've upgraded the firmware even to no avail ..... |
| 02:40.23 | smacnay | enouf: can reading a movie reset the region code? |
| 02:40.23 | enouf | smacnay: |
| 02:40.27 | ericrw | I'll check rdiff |
| 02:40.58 | enouf | smacnay: well - check your ~/.dvdcss or whatever it is |
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| 02:43.35 | smacnay | the info in that dir shouldn't affect reading a data dvd, should it? |
| 02:43.44 | kdas | so does anyone know why ssh -Yf host oowriter not working but any other X app does? or how to check oowriter's errors? |
| 02:44.37 | enouf | smacnay: i've seen everything from Sony Rootkits to Blackmarket NEC drives that at the time, were the top brand to Redmond and others DRM / TCPA shennanigans in many forms .. so .. anything is possible IMO |
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| 02:44.57 | enouf | smacnay: no it shouldn't |
| 02:45.17 | smacnay | enouf: so a movie played on a dvd drive could mess with the drive's bios itself? |
| 02:45.20 | enouf | smacnay: what does dmesg say about it? |
| 02:45.38 | enouf | smacnay: use dvd+rwmediainfo /dev/dvd |
| 02:45.52 | enouf | smacnay: drive firmware |
| 02:46.06 | J-_ | I'm on round 2 of Debian, I reinstalled and upgraded to Squeeze again. Now, when I go into network-admin in gnome, there's no communication I can't adjust settings, or unlock with root password. Do I need ConsoleKit to do so? |
| 02:46.15 | memnon | smacnay: seems like the sr message is harmless |
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| 02:47.15 | enouf | smacnay: maybe you need to modprobe udf or something ... just because a GUI or file manager doesn't do the correct thing doesn't mean much to me |
| 02:47.41 | smacnay | enouf: I will look at that too - looking at the mediainfo command. |
| 02:47.56 | enouf | smacnay: use dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd (correction) |
| 02:48.11 | smacnay | enouf: got it - I figured that out |
| 02:48.29 | smacnay | enouf: all looks "good" I guess - nothing with whistles and bells. |
| 02:48.36 | enouf | smacnay: doesit happen with ALL data dvds? or .. is that dvd an RW? |
| 02:49.01 | smacnay | enouf: dvd-r |
| 02:49.29 | smacnay | enouf: udf module is loaded. |
| 02:50.06 | enouf | smacnay: doesit happen with ALL data dvds? |
| 02:50.19 | smacnay | so far today, yes |
| 02:50.28 | smacnay | enouf: before today, it never happened once. |
| 02:50.46 | smacnay | last night I played a PBS doc about Jesse James. |
| 02:50.54 | enouf | i'm going to guess you Dual Boot windows? |
| 02:50.55 | smacnay | before that, all was good. |
| 02:51.01 | smacnay | enouf: me, no |
| 02:51.06 | enouf | use WINE? |
| 02:51.18 | smacnay | enouf: no, but I have used VirtualBox. |
| 02:51.24 | enouf | and stuff like daemon-tools / alcohol120 in it? |
| 02:51.51 | enouf | smacnay: you recently upgraded? and there's no other issues with the drive? |
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| 02:52.12 | smacnay | enouf: yes, updated the system yesterday and today. |
| 02:52.22 | smacnay | no other issues. |
| 02:52.23 | null | Question: Does the top package mean that 1.4.10-3 in Sid is actually built from Amarok 2.0.2? http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/report.php?package=amarok |
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| 02:55.08 | Gun_Smoke | boy gNewSense more a rip of Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 02:55.55 | smacnay | enouf: my machine did suddenly reboot today - first time ever. I ran mem tests and have had nothing appear as an issue or the reboot recur. |
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| 02:57.17 | smacnay | enouf: if I run "lsdvd" the drive spins up. Of course, being a data disk, there are read errors. |
| 02:57.39 | fdemocracy | this is nuts |
| 02:57.50 | fdemocracy | im waiting hours for the packages to download and guess what |
| 02:58.05 | fdemocracy | i inadvertently hit some key on the board and the install fails |
| 02:58.07 | fdemocracy | it FAILS! |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | so install it again |
| 02:58.18 | fdemocracy | it takes too damn long |
| 02:58.28 | abrotman | the package sohuld be in your cache |
| 02:58.37 | dusted | install gentoo if you feel that debian takes too long, it will fix your problem |
| 02:58.44 | fdemocracy | hahah |
| 02:58.54 | dusted | the problem it will fix is your attitude towards install times :P |
| 02:58.58 | fdemocracy | i was actually about to do that |
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| 02:59.05 | fdemocracy | not the install times per se |
| 02:59.08 | fdemocracy | the slow internet times |
| 02:59.15 | abrotman | fdemocracy: did you try to reinstall the package? |
| 02:59.20 | dusted | aah, those |
| 02:59.26 | fdemocracy | the package? there were many packages |
| 02:59.31 | fdemocracy | 800+ packages |
| 02:59.38 | abrotman | should still be in your package cache |
| 02:59.49 | fdemocracy | i shut down |
| 02:59.55 | abrotman | it's still there |
| 03:00.05 | abrotman | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 03:00.13 | fdemocracy | okay |
| 03:00.24 | fdemocracy | let me first remove gentoo from the usb stick and put debian back on it |
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| 03:03.05 | smacnay | enouf: is there a way to scan a dvd for rootkits and malicious code? I can insert a blank dvd and it will show up for burning. Burning works. I can't read a dvd movie at all now. |
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| 03:03.23 | smacnay | enouf: I still have the dvd I watched last night. |
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| 03:04.33 | Gm4n | I'm signing up for a server with hetzner online, does anyone here use them already? (I'll put you as reference) |
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| 03:04.53 | memnon | smacnay: Do you have debian-multimedia repos added? Did you fetch updated |
| 03:04.53 | memnon | packages from them? |
| 03:05.06 | fdemocracy | the gentoo people told me i'd see noticable perf boosts on a netbbook |
| 03:05.13 | smacnay | memnon: yes, all has been working for some time now. |
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| 03:05.57 | memnon | smacnay: Sorry, seems I am tired, I've trouble following the problem ;) |
| 03:06.27 | smacnay | memnon: I can burn a dvd, but cannot read a data disc or movie. |
| 03:06.43 | memnon | This used to work yesterday, but not today anymore, right? |
| 03:06.47 | enouf | smacnay: rootkithunter? you presume you can 'burn' |
| 03:06.51 | smacnay | memnon: yes |
| 03:07.00 | enouf | smacnay: chrootkit is another one, iirc |
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| 03:07.12 | smacnay | memnon: I did watch a pbs movie yesterday. |
| 03:07.18 | smacnay | enouf: I did burn today. |
| 03:07.21 | memnon | smacnay: And you got new packages from debian-multimedia today or yesterday. |
| 03:07.36 | ranix | this conversation is gibberish to me |
| 03:07.38 | enouf | smacnay: have you rebooted lately? and if not., do so ;-) or atleast restart your DE session |
| 03:07.48 | memnon | So, I would guess there is a problem with this packages. |
| 03:07.52 | ranix | chrootkit? pbs? |
| 03:08.07 | smacnay | enouf: I burnt the Ultimate Boot CD for checking system issues. The computer was able to boot from that disc. |
| 03:08.18 | ranix | what's so ultimate about it |
| 03:08.28 | ranix | why isn't it Just Another Boot CD |
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| 03:09.00 | ranix | if I brandish it at a rootkit will it dissolve in holy fire? |
| 03:09.17 | ranix | The power of Christ compels you! |
| 03:09.24 | smacnay | memnon: I have rebooted a few times. I will try some other stuff out. I guess, if it is an issue of reading dvd's, replacing the drive is an option. |
| 03:09.51 | memnon | smacnay: Again, you pulled new packages lately? Maybe they are the problem? |
| 03:10.16 | smacnay | memnon: yes, I did pull some in the last few days. |
| 03:10.19 | memnon | smacnay: packages related to dvd |
| 03:10.24 | fdemocracy | okay how do i resume the debian install |
| 03:10.34 | smacnay | memnon: not that I am aware. |
| 03:10.49 | memnon | smacnay: mom |
| 03:11.11 | ranix | what does she have to do with it |
| 03:11.25 | smacnay | is wondering as well |
| 03:11.50 | fdemocracy | tells me now i dont have a root file system |
| 03:11.53 | memnon | mom= moment |
| 03:11.59 | memnon | smacnay: i386? |
| 03:11.59 | fdemocracy | im at the partitioning stage |
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| 03:12.17 | smacnay | yes |
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| 03:15.04 | smacnay | memnon: Athlon 2800+ - so I guess it is a 386 derivative. |
| 03:15.30 | memnon | smacnay: okay, all the downloaded packages are cached in /var/cache/apt, right? |
| 03:16.21 | jetscreamer | /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 03:16.33 | jetscreamer | unless you have autoclean, or did a cleaning |
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| 03:16.51 | Gigantic | I have a maid to do my cleanning |
| 03:17.01 | smacnay | no cleaning done - I am in the dir. |
| 03:17.08 | memnon | smacnay: so, ls -t|less should give you the last downloaded packages at |
| 03:17.08 | memnon | the bottom of the list |
| 03:17.24 | memnon | smacnay: Is there anything related to dvd? |
| 03:17.39 | enouf | how about just head/tail it ;-) |
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| 03:17.59 | smacnay | I see a pciutils package |
| 03:18.14 | smacnay | dvdbackup |
| 03:18.14 | enouf | smacnay: review /var/log/dpkg.log* |
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| 03:18.46 | enouf | !info dvdbackup |
| 03:19.15 | memnon | enouf: Yes, that works, too :) |
| 03:19.17 | dpkg | dvdbackup: (tool to rip DVD's from the command line), section video, is optional. Version: 0.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 236 kB |
| 03:19.35 | enouf | judd: versions dvdbackup |
| 03:19.36 | judd | enouf: dvdbackup -- etch: 0.1.1-10 lenny: 0.2-2 squeeze: 0.2-2+b1 sid: 0.4-1 |
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| 03:20.12 | enouf | memnon: ;-) |
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| 03:20.45 | Gigantic | Bonna notte, I have a little issue with my dpkg crashing: here is the log... last lines give enough insight, the rest is reference: http://pastebin.be/17656 |
| 03:20.52 | Gigantic | prays |
| 03:21.12 | enouf | Ciao |
| 03:21.26 | Gigantic | :O |
| 03:21.34 | smacnay | not sure - nothing too specific here. |
| 03:21.36 | smacnay | ciao |
| 03:21.41 | HeXiLeD | i installed php5 but when i ask for the php -v i get PHP 4.4.4-8+etch6 which was previously installed . how do i change this ? i removed php4 . |
| 03:22.07 | memnon | smacnay: Sorry, I got no idea then. Maybe ask on the list? debian-user? |
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| 03:22.18 | smacnay | memnon: thanks |
| 03:22.22 | Gigantic | people still code in php? wow |
| 03:23.34 | jetscreamer | Gigantic: try aptitude dist-upgrade after aptitude update maybe |
| 03:23.36 | Gigantic | I wish there was a --force option in dpkg =\ |
| 03:23.45 | jetscreamer | there is |
| 03:23.52 | jetscreamer | dpkg --force-help |
| 03:23.52 | dpkg | jetscreamer: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 03:23.55 | memnon | /me wonders: Why do I prefer to google other peoples problems, thus |
| 03:23.56 | memnon | avoiding to get some university work done. Bad sign?! :( |
| 03:24.38 | enouf | smacnay: so, you can burn dvds, but not read data dvds nor watch dvd movies? |
| 03:24.42 | Gigantic | memnon: it is selfsabotage |
| 03:24.49 | smacnay | enouf: yes |
| 03:24.51 | enouf | smacnay: sounds like an OPC issue to me |
| 03:25.00 | smacnay | enouf: OPC? |
| 03:25.09 | enouf | since burning requires a different power level |
| 03:25.09 | memnon | says: Good Night. Its 05:30 a.m. here ... |
| 03:25.11 | jetscreamer | !dmm |
| 03:25.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 03:25.30 | jetscreamer | you might need marillat stuff |
| 03:25.41 | Gigantic | jetscreamer: the force option force the reinstall of all files? and... aptitude do some weird stuff... I'll pick apt-get :) |
| 03:25.45 | enouf | Optimal Power Calibration |
| 03:25.49 | smacnay | enouf: power supply? |
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| 03:26.04 | jetscreamer | Gigantic: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 03:26.12 | enouf | smacnay: it's what happens when you hear/see it 'scanning' |
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| 03:26.29 | smacnay | enouf: Well, my comp did just suddenly shutdown/reboot today. Maybe a new power supply is necessary. |
| 03:26.35 | enouf | smacnay: and many drives actually do it many times during a burn |
| 03:26.50 | smacnay | enouf: it starts to spin then stops, spins, stops, chunking noises... |
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| 03:27.04 | enouf | smacnay: really? you ran a fsck? |
| 03:27.22 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 03:27.23 | dpkg | somebody said reinstall was aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 03:27.40 | Gigantic | jetscreamer: another problem there is... I have dial up atm |
| 03:27.53 | jetscreamer | Gigantic: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:27.54 | smacnay | enouf: not yet - it rebooted but I was not paying attention to whether fsck was run. Maybe I should force that on a reboot and see wha comes up. |
| 03:28.00 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 03:28.01 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 03:28.13 | Gigantic | jetscreamer: ... |
| 03:28.42 | smacnay | enouf: thanks for hte time - I am going to try some things. |
| 03:28.48 | enouf | smacnay: the drive is also scanning the media for many other things like ATIP data |
| 03:28.56 | jetscreamer | you do need to do the dist-upgrade |
| 03:29.06 | jetscreamer | and it 'might' fix your problem.. not sure |
| 03:29.14 | smacnay | sorry, no idea what that is... ATIP |
| 03:29.14 | jetscreamer | might not.. can't hurt |
| 03:29.23 | enouf | smacnay: sure - google those things i mentioned too - see wodim -atip -prcap dev=/dev/dvd output |
| 03:29.46 | jetscreamer | you could --purge that package |
| 03:29.49 | Gigantic | jetscreamer: it will devour my slow dialup for a couple of days and it doesn't override the confs =\ |
| 03:29.58 | jetscreamer | !confmiss |
| 03:29.58 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 03:30.03 | jetscreamer | if that's what you mean |
| 03:30.06 | enouf | smacnay: http://www.google.com/search?q=Optimal+Power+Calibration&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 is one |
| 03:30.11 | jetscreamer | you should see if you could find a dvd somewhere |
| 03:30.18 | Gigantic | jetscreamer: the primary issue is that the init scriipts vanished, there it comes the whole probem |
| 03:30.45 | Gigantic | jetscreamer: yes I did that and dpkg crashes now... it is all in the pastebin |
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| 03:30.53 | Gigantic | http://pastebin.be/17656 |
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| 03:31.37 | smacnay | enouf: output of wodim command - one line caught my eye - "ee wodim -atip -prcap dev=/dev/dvd" |
| 03:31.40 | smacnay | oops |
| 03:31.48 | smacnay | Does not deliver composite A/V data |
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| 03:33.15 | ybgwon | hi all, i've 2 wan in my office. but i can't connect each other. |
| 03:33.22 | ybgwon | here is my office scheme |
| 03:33.25 | n3kl | Is there anyway to suppress the prompting that happens when you install certain packages that need information? |
| 03:33.37 | ybgwon | http://pastebin.com/m1002e9a3 |
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| 03:35.37 | Gigantic | n3kl: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 03:35.45 | Gigantic | set to silent or whatever |
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| 03:36.20 | J-_ | Well, I install wicd instead of trying to get network-admin working in which I don't think I could have. |
| 03:36.45 | WormFood | In GDM, I notice there is a language selection....what are the package names for additional languages? |
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| 03:38.01 | n3kl | Gigantic: I see, awesome, thanks! |
| 03:39.54 | Gigantic | uhm... can I use an ISO path as apt source? |
| 03:40.17 | Gigantic | aka: deb-src iso://path/to/file.iso |
| 03:40.21 | Sashi | ERROR! Can't find default version of xen utils, bailing out! <<?? |
| 03:40.44 | Gigantic | bailing out? lol |
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| 03:41.30 | Sashi | well |
| 03:41.32 | Sashi | thats what i get |
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| 03:44.50 | el_critter | hi |
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| 03:45.43 | el_critter | what do I need to create a internet load balancer with debian? two different links to different ISPs, with failover. |
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| 03:46.18 | el_critter | I've been searching but everything I found was about loadbalancing server farms |
| 03:46.49 | WormFood | I think if I install the smallest package, and then install the suggested packaged, and those suggested packages, until it no longer suggests any package, I will have installed every package ever compiled. |
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| 03:47.20 | WormFood | In GDM, I notice there is a language selection....what are the package names for additional languages? |
| 03:48.34 | Gigantic | there is times when I miss rpm =\ |
| 03:49.12 | WormFood | I hate RPM |
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| 03:49.32 | Gigantic | no matter what stupid thing I could do, the worst I can rpm --force -r all the stuff |
| 03:49.42 | Gigantic | WormFood: biassed |
| 03:49.59 | Gigantic | shuts up in fear of a pointless packagin discussion |
| 03:50.35 | WormFood | I was just commenting about the suggested packages |
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| 03:50.46 | Gigantic | nod* |
| 03:51.09 | WormFood | when you install a package, sometimes it suggests other packages...so you install those suggested package, and it suggests even more packages |
| 03:51.14 | Gigantic | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-all" --reinstall install allmybrokenpackages |
| 03:51.25 | Gigantic | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 03:51.51 | Gigantic | WormFood: you don't have to install the sugested packages |
| 03:52.04 | WormFood | and if you continue to install all the suggested packages, when you get done, you will have installed the entire planet's worth of packages |
| 03:52.17 | WormFood | duh |
| 03:52.17 | WormFood | that is why they are "suggested" |
| 03:52.24 | Gigantic | that's old school rpm |
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| 03:52.29 | WormFood | if they were required, they would have been automatically included |
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| 03:52.46 | J-_ | is checking out Bluemindo |
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| 03:53.17 | eightyeight | i've got the businesscard.iso for amd64 from here: will i be able to install ext4 from the installer to my hdd? |
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| 03:53.38 | Gigantic | I love Debian and apt... but when dpkg breaks... I just want to burst into tears |
| 03:53.52 | eightyeight | er. from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 03:54.02 | WormFood | eightyeight, I don't think debian supports ext4 yet |
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| 03:54.19 | WormFood | I just installed a new system, and there was no ext4 option |
| 03:54.37 | WormFood | also, if you want an ext4 boot drive, then you need a special version of grub which will read ext4 |
| 03:54.37 | Gigantic | gently pats postfix |
| 03:54.58 | eightyeight | i'll keep /boot ext3. just curious about the rest |
| 03:55.04 | Gigantic | rereads ext4 instead of exim4 this time... duh |
| 03:55.09 | WormFood | this is if you're using extents (or whatever it is in ext4)....if you don't use extents, then there does not seem to be an advantage to ext4 |
| 03:55.36 | eightyeight | i just want to know if the installer has the option |
| 03:55.56 | WormFood | no, not unless yours is special |
| 03:56.11 | Gigantic | WormFood: running ext4 is in fashion, just imagine at how amazed and envy your neighbors will be! |
| 03:56.31 | WormFood | it does not even give you the option to format an ext4 partition |
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| 03:57.17 | Gigantic | maybe with e2fsprogs? |
| 03:57.21 | WormFood | and, until more software better supports ext4, you may be better off with ext3....I mean....if you have to ask these questions about ext4, you're probably better off running ext3 until more automated tools support ext4 |
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| 03:57.43 | Gigantic | I can see a mkfs.ext4 in here |
| 03:57.46 | WormFood | I think right now only 2 distros support installing on ext4 partitions |
| 03:57.52 | J-_ | Bleh Bluemindo sucks |
| 03:57.56 | jayb | can anyone tell me how to find the "./configure" line used... for mysql 5.1.33 ( Dotdeb ) |
| 03:58.04 | jayb | so I can build a storage engine against it |
| 03:58.11 | WormFood | yes, it is there, but not an option to install with |
| 03:58.20 | dondon | i installed a bunch of dependences through apt-get and then compiled a program that didn't have a package. how do i mark the dependences i installed as dependences instead of orphaned packages? |
| 03:58.20 | eightyeight | WormFood: ok. thx |
| 03:58.27 | eightyeight | i guess i'll convert it post install |
| 03:58.31 | Gigantic | jayb: #mysql |
| 03:58.50 | J-_ | Anyone know a nice music player like Banshee that isn't in mono? |
| 03:59.09 | Gigantic | well you could manually load the ext4 module maybe... |
| 03:59.29 | Gigantic | J-_: eww... Amarok? |
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| 03:59.42 | eightyeight | J-_: i like exaile |
| 04:00.00 | Gigantic | audacious? |
| 04:00.09 | Gigantic | juk |
| 04:00.22 | Gigantic | noatun |
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| 04:01.04 | TehTesticle | rhythmbox? I use amarok ftw |
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| 04:01.16 | smacnay | enouf: well, if I open a dvd of tv episodes I burnt and use gmplayer, it will mount the disc. If I just let the disc spin up, it will not mount or automount. Must be a gnome issue right now. |
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| 04:04.13 | J-_ | eightyeight: I used exaile for a long while. I liked Banshee better so I used that. But, now that I'm using Debian I want to try to keep my Gnome nice and slick. Meh, maybe I'll just say screw it and install Banshee *shrug* |
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| 04:04.48 | eightyeight | J-_: to each their own. banshee is good too |
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| 04:05.29 | J-_ | Yeah, I love Banshee, but 65mb is massive. :) |
| 04:06.09 | TehTesticle | xmms2 + [xmms2 client of your choice]? |
| 04:06.35 | ddalton | how do i make my term use colours? |
| 04:06.47 | J-_ | I'm just going to install Banshee. Some other time I'll try to configure mpd once I get my server going |
| 04:06.49 | ddalton | is there anything I must do, it's a concolse no |
| 04:06.50 | ddalton | x |
| 04:06.54 | TehTesticle | ddalton: what term are you using? |
| 04:07.12 | Wyzard | J-_: I use quodlibet |
| 04:07.26 | ddalton | J-_: I use mpd, with mpc and mpyd |
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| 04:07.31 | ddalton | works great |
| 04:07.35 | J-_ | nice |
| 04:07.40 | Wyzard | J-_: written in Python so there's no Mono stuff, and it has excellent tagging support |
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| 04:07.56 | ddalton | TehTesticle: what do you mean? |
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| 04:08.30 | TehTesticle | ddalton: you asked how to make your terminal use colors? |
| 04:08.38 | J-_ | Wyzard: I tried that too, didn't really like it either. :( It's okay. But so far along the jouney I've only came across Banshee. I used xmms for the longest time til it became deprecated. |
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| 04:08.58 | ranix | xmms is deprecated? damn |
| 04:09.07 | ranix | I've been using madplay |
| 04:09.16 | ddalton | TehTesticle: I don't understand, what types of terminals are there? |
| 04:09.23 | Wyzard | J-_: I think the default is an itunes-like "paned browser", but I use the album list mode almost exclusively |
| 04:09.29 | ddalton | it's just the standard console with ctr+f1 that came with debian lenny 5.0 |
| 04:09.37 | J-_ | ranix: yeah, it's deprecated, but, there's always audacious |
| 04:09.50 | ddalton | mplayer is also good |
| 04:09.55 | J-_ | ranix: Same thing pretty much |
| 04:10.05 | TehTesticle | ddalton: tthere are a few terminal programs out there; are you using the gnome default one? |
| 04:10.11 | J-_ | Wyzard: nice |
| 04:10.30 | ddalton | TehTesticle: no, haven't even loaded gnome, it's just the console |
| 04:10.57 | WormFood | In GDM, I notice there is a language selection....what are the package names for additional languages? |
| 04:11.07 | J-_ | I used mocp for a long time too. I love that ncurses player. |
| 04:11.13 | ranix | I wonder what flavor of linux the koreans used to launch their 'satellite' |
| 04:11.18 | TehTesticle | ddalton: ah. my mistake; baremetal terminal coloring is usually an ncurses thing. I'll have to check. |
| 04:11.19 | J-_ | Worked awesome with streams |
| 04:11.44 | ddalton | TehTesticle: let me know if u find out what i must do |
| 04:11.48 | Stargazers | Is there any other CLI clients than XMMS2 and MPD which will support last.fm scrobbling? |
| 04:12.03 | WormFood | ranix, maybe "red flag" linux, as that is targeted at asia |
| 04:12.05 | J-_ | hmm, good question |
| 04:12.26 | ranix | WormFood: thanks, will take a look |
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| 04:13.22 | WormFood | ranix, why do you want to know? you in korea? |
| 04:13.23 | ranix | it's strange to think about a country that might actually have a hard time getting computers because of trade sanctions |
| 04:13.40 | ddalton | can anyone confirm: the line that says new mail in <folder> in mutt when you press . is on a red background? |
| 04:13.40 | ranix | it's not like they're in the 40's |
| 04:13.44 | ddalton | and "blinks"? |
| 04:13.49 | ddalton | sorry, using braille here |
| 04:14.07 | J-_ | Stargazers: "LastBASH is a console/terminal based player for Last.fm written in Bash." It probably scrobble, it may though. Hehe |
| 04:14.15 | ranix | they must have scrounged datacenters made from home pcs |
| 04:14.15 | WormFood | ANYTHING can be gotten for the right price |
| 04:14.18 | Stargazers | J-_: :) |
| 04:14.23 | ranix | and stolen parts |
| 04:14.34 | Stargazers | Do you use any CLI based e-mail? |
| 04:14.52 | Stargazers | I have tried Alpine and it is almost perfect, but hard to select which account to use :S |
| 04:14.58 | Stargazers | (When sending email) |
| 04:15.01 | ranix | I would love to know what goes on behind those borders technologically you know? |
| 04:15.04 | WormFood | cli based email, or console email? |
| 04:15.07 | J-_ | facepalms, incoherent sentences. :( |
| 04:15.16 | Stargazers | WormFood: Uh... what is the difference? |
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| 04:15.43 | WormFood | CLI is Command Line Interface |
| 04:15.51 | ranix | I think he had a brain fart |
| 04:15.53 | WormFood | Console is a text environment |
| 04:15.56 | Stargazers | Yes, I know that, but... |
| 04:15.58 | ranix | ... |
| 04:16.00 | Stargazers | Errh. |
| 04:16.01 | ddalton | Stargazers: mutt is very nice, easy to write macros to chose accounts |
| 04:16.03 | WormFood | you can launch X11 apps from the CLI |
| 04:16.20 | ranix | WormFood: you may be confused |
| 04:16.22 | Stargazers | WormFood: Ok. I mean that console ap then. |
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| 04:16.32 | WormFood | if you want console based apps for email, look at pine |
| 04:16.50 | mosno | console != terminal != cli |
| 04:16.54 | Stargazers | Well, I have used it, also Mutt. |
| 04:16.58 | Stargazers | Sorry, not mutt. |
| 04:16.59 | TehTesticle | ddalton: the console should already support color; most programs just don't use it. try entering in " ls / " (sans quotes), and see if you get any color. It's possible that color is disabled. the toggle should be somewhere in your ~/.bashrc file |
| 04:17.00 | Stargazers | I meant Alpine :D |
| 04:17.11 | tyfj | how to read the /.ssh/known_host , it's encrypted. thank you |
| 04:17.39 | Stargazers | WormFood: But the problem is that it is little too hard to set many SMTP servers what I want to use + hard to select what account I want to use when sending email. |
| 04:17.43 | Stargazers | I mean, "role" in alpine. |
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| 04:18.36 | Stargazers | Maybe have to configure mutt some day for test. |
| 04:18.49 | Stargazers | Maybe today I should configure sounds to my eee. |
| 04:18.57 | Stargazers | (Installed last night Debian) |
| 04:19.02 | streuner_ | heh |
| 04:19.26 | ddalton | hmm, hard to know, it says blink... |
| 04:19.26 | streuner_ | wonders whats hard is to just use mutt |
| 04:19.44 | Stargazers | Until this I have used Xandros on it's disk, but I failed to installation of Debian to USB stick by accident so I just installed it directly to SSD. |
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| 04:20.15 | Stargazers | streuner_: Is there easy way to configure multiple SMTP's in mutt? |
| 04:20.54 | WormFood | why do you need multiple smtp servers? |
| 04:21.11 | Stargazers | Because I want cli app to my laptop. |
| 04:21.23 | WormFood | I don't care how many email accounts I have, I only use 1 smtp server, no matter what the return address is |
| 04:21.26 | Stargazers | And in home same SMTP won't work what I need to use in other places. |
| 04:21.45 | Stargazers | WormFood: Yep, but our ISP does not allow t. |
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| 04:22.07 | streuner_ | How about to use smarthost? |
| 04:22.11 | streuner_ | !smarthost |
| 04:22.12 | dpkg | A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically your ISP SMTP server) which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server rather than directly to the recipient’s server. |
| 04:22.17 | WormFood | I run my own smtp server, and send all my email through that...even when I am not on the local network, I just make a vpn back to that network, so I appear local |
| 04:22.18 | Stargazers | In my workplace there is different ISP than in my home and I have tried to send mail using workplace SMTP, but itwprl. |
| 04:22.29 | Stargazers | but it won't work, I meant, sorry, was lag. |
| 04:22.40 | ranix | that's normal, Stargazers |
| 04:22.52 | Stargazers | ranix: Yep. So I have understood also. |
| 04:23.08 | Stargazers | WormFood: Well yes, sometimes I send using ssh'ing to my work computer. |
| 04:23.19 | Stargazers | And then send mail using alpine. |
| 04:23.35 | streuner_ | !alpine |
| 04:23.40 | Stargazers | ? |
| 04:23.44 | WormFood | Stargazers, make a vpn back to your work computer |
| 04:23.48 | J-_ | Is bmpx still buggy as hell? |
| 04:24.03 | ranix | Stargazers: I actually ssh to my mailserver and run mutt |
| 04:24.21 | Stargazers | WormFood: Well, too much configuration :P I can use ssh and then alpine. |
| 04:24.36 | Stargazers | But have to look Mutt maybe. |
| 04:24.51 | streuner_ | yeah, mutt is the way :-) |
| 04:24.54 | ranix | there's also imap like squirrelmail |
| 04:24.56 | WormFood | In GDM, I notice there is a language selection....does anyone know the names of additional language packages? |
| 04:25.06 | Stargazers | Doesn't mutt support IMAP? |
| 04:25.12 | ranix | which I have alaso been known to use |
| 04:25.18 | enouf | !l10 |
| 04:25.25 | enouf | er |
| 04:25.27 | J-_ | I use GMail/ IMAP with Thunderbird. Have been for a while. |
| 04:25.32 | WormFood | I like imap...which is what I use (encrypted) |
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| 04:26.45 | streuner_ | Stargazers: apt-cache show mutt |
| 04:27.06 | enouf | !i18n |
| 04:27.06 | dpkg | i18n is, like, an abbreviation for internationalisation, which is a really long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "I, then 18 more letters, then N", get it?, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/intro-i18n/ |
| 04:27.07 | Stargazers | Oh, righ. |
| 04:27.11 | Stargazers | Thanks. |
| 04:27.32 | streuner_ | * Advanced IMAP client supporting SSL encryption and SASL authentication. |
| 04:27.36 | Stargazers | Yep. :) |
| 04:27.42 | Stargazers | Than I have to test it. |
| 04:27.52 | Stargazers | It would be very nice if I could use CLI emails. |
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| 04:28.00 | ddalton_ | sorry, dc, but your right. |
| 04:28.30 | ddalton_ | sorry, dc, but your right. |
| 04:28.47 | ddalton_ | colours r there |
| 04:28.55 | J-_ | Man, I love the performance of Debian. So much better than Ubuntu. |
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| 04:29.19 | streuner_ | tell news :-P |
| 04:29.31 | Stargazers | Har. |
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| 04:33.07 | ddalton_ | does anyone know a program which uses forground colour red? |
| 04:33.40 | Stargazers | ddalton_: Debian installer when it fails when it can't find CDROM drive \o/ |
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| 04:34.31 | facedownH | how can i close all instances of bash terminal open? |
| 04:34.40 | facedownH | lets say i have 50 open accidently |
| 04:35.20 | Stargazers | killall bash? |
| 04:35.22 | ZeZu | killall bash mabye |
| 04:35.26 | facedownH | ah |
| 04:35.39 | facedownH | hm |
| 04:35.41 | facedownH | dont think so |
| 04:35.48 | facedownH | i tried that and sudo killall bash |
| 04:35.55 | facedownH | they're all open still.. hm |
| 04:36.17 | ZeZu | see if ps is showing them ... |
| 04:36.31 | facedownH | i can see 40-50 tabs lol |
| 04:36.35 | ZeZu | might be dash instead |
| 04:36.35 | facedownH | do i really need to look at ps? |
| 04:36.46 | ZeZu | quite possibly if they are another process than bash ! |
| 04:36.54 | facedownH | Uh. |
| 04:36.59 | ZeZu | unless you'd like to guess or click the [x] on the tabs |
| 04:37.01 | Stargazers | Can I somehow see why login fails to email server? |
| 04:37.02 | facedownH | they're all the gnome terminal |
| 04:37.04 | Stargazers | Using Mutt |
| 04:37.06 | Stargazers | "Login failed" |
| 04:37.13 | ZeZu | and the process name is gterm ? |
| 04:37.13 | Stargazers | But why, how I can see it? |
| 04:37.15 | ZeZu | killall gterm |
| 04:37.25 | facedownH | ugh |
| 04:37.28 | ZeZu | or similar, thats where ps comes in eh ? |
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| 04:37.34 | facedownH | did ps |
| 04:37.36 | facedownH | ps says |
| 04:37.39 | facedownH | bash and ps |
| 04:37.45 | facedownH | so its bash |
| 04:37.52 | ZeZu | bash 50x ? |
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| 04:37.55 | ZeZu | hehe |
| 04:38.03 | facedownH | unfortunately not |
| 04:38.04 | facedownH | hm |
| 04:38.24 | fuuma1 | sudo pkill -x bash? |
| 04:38.45 | facedownH | nope |
| 04:38.50 | facedownH | unfortunately |
| 04:38.50 | ddalton_ | k thanks |
| 04:38.52 | facedownH | jesus |
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| 04:39.01 | Stargazers | Sorry, sorry, found reason. |
| 04:39.06 | facedownH | if i do |
| 04:39.06 | Stargazers | Why it failed. |
| 04:39.08 | facedownH | ps aux |
| 04:39.14 | facedownH | it lists bash down the whole list |
| 04:39.17 | facedownH | so i'm SURE its bash |
| 04:39.22 | enouf | !enter |
| 04:39.22 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 04:39.33 | Stargazers | It was normal USE (User Stupidity Error) :) |
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| 04:42.10 | ZeZu | killall -v -g bash |
| 04:42.49 | TehTesticle | ps ax | grep bash |
| 04:42.54 | ZeZu | or if its in tabs why not just hit the [x] on gterm ? |
| 04:43.02 | TehTesticle | kill -s KILL [pid] |
| 04:43.28 | enouf | pkill gterm ; pkill gnome-terminal |
| 04:43.29 | ZeZu | that'll kill them one at a time :) |
| 04:43.39 | ZeZu | yea thats what i said |
| 04:43.52 | ZeZu | gterm or gnome-terminal has to be running too |
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| 04:43.53 | enouf | heck pkill gnome :-P |
| 04:43.58 | enouf | hides |
| 04:44.02 | ZeZu | it'll come back ! |
| 04:44.24 | enouf | he said it was tabs in a gnome-terminal |
| 04:45.14 | TehTesticle | then just kill the associated process. do a ps for the process in question, and send it a SIGKILL. |
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| 04:46.09 | enouf | i bet he doesn't have auth and it's another user's process |
| 04:46.36 | TehTesticle | ps, with the right params, will give you mem consumption, shouldn't be too hard to pick it from a list. |
| 04:47.10 | enouf | doesn't matter what ps says, you can't kill without auth .. as i'm sure you know |
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| 04:47.32 | TehTesticle | ...and he's not a sudoer, huh? |
| 04:47.41 | TehTesticle | damn |
| 04:47.51 | enouf | nobody asked ... |
| 04:47.57 | enouf | !whoami |
| 04:47.57 | dpkg | you're enouf you donkey! |
| 04:48.08 | streuner_ | lol |
| 04:48.27 | J-_ | LOL |
| 04:48.30 | TehTesticle | ror -_- |
| 04:49.27 | enouf | TehTesticle: it's also possible that init became the PPID at some point ;-) |
| 04:49.58 | TehTesticle | ...in thet case, there should be a large button on the fron of the computer chassis labelled "power"... |
| 04:50.24 | J-_ | http://mpx.backtrace.info/ That looks quite sexy |
| 04:50.25 | enouf | yep |
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| 04:52.07 | streuner_ | J-_: its a simple theme, nothing more |
| 04:52.28 | streuner_ | Who knows what features it has and how stable it is (alpha) |
| 04:52.29 | J-_ | streuner_: hmm, yeah. bmpx looks really similar :) |
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| 04:58.44 | streuner_ | hm, BMPx seems to be dead (upstream) |
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| 05:19.14 | stew | !qotd0 |
| 05:19.15 | dpkg | <exobyte> California should steal .ca from canada <exobyte> our state flower causes people to fail drug tests. how kick ass is that?! |
| 05:19.46 | luke3321 | Hey, does anyone know how, from a ssh terminal, I can run a command on an allready running X server? |
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| 05:20.18 | stew | luke3321: "DISPLAY=:0 command" |
| 05:20.19 | Stargazers | luke3321: Tried export DISPLAY=:0 && xterm |
| 05:20.36 | luke3321 | okay, thanks, ill try both those |
| 05:21.06 | stew | luke3321: that is assuming that you have permission to use that X server (which you would if you are logged in as the user running X) |
| 05:21.59 | luke3321 | stew: Yep, worked like a charm |
| 05:22.03 | luke3321 | thanks very much |
| 05:22.41 | Stargazers | What can cause that my mailsending is very slow when using mutt? I must use smtp of my workplace, so I have changed /etc/mail/sendmail.cf DSmyworkplace.smtp.server |
| 05:22.47 | Stargazers | But it is terribly slow? |
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| 05:25.08 | blime | what's the difference between && and ; to connect two commands together? |
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| 05:25.31 | Stargazers | blime: If you use && next comamnd will be run only if first is ok. |
| 05:25.41 | Stargazers | If I have got it right. |
| 05:25.50 | Stargazers | I mean, if first command fails -> second won't be run. |
| 05:26.00 | blime | Stargazers: thank you |
| 05:26.07 | Stargazers | AFAIK, but might be wrong if I am wrong :D |
| 05:26.28 | blime | Stargazers: that's a good enough answer for me |
| 05:26.41 | Stargazers | Ok. |
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| 05:33.45 | streuner_ | dpkg, pastebin |
| 05:33.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 05:34.29 | jetscreamer | i don't think you put the && after export |
| 05:34.56 | jetscreamer | that's setting an environment var |
| 05:35.02 | Stargazers | jetscreamer: Yep, you're right. |
| 05:35.18 | streuner_ | dpkg, pastebin is also Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste |
| 05:35.18 | dpkg | okay, streuner_ |
| 05:35.23 | stew | you can |
| 05:35.32 | stew | the export will succeed |
| 05:35.35 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:35.41 | Stargazers | Mm... But it is not necessay? |
| 05:35.43 | jetscreamer | bows to stew |
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| 05:48.27 | J-_ | How does gnash-opengl work? Is it any good? |
| 05:51.21 | amitz | why there is no dev version of apache2-mpm-worker, while there is version for apache2-prefork-dev for example. |
| 05:51.27 | amitz | lenny |
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| 05:54.21 | bros | I ran "apt-get install debian". I am trying to invoke the command "ffmpeg -i foo.flv -s 1280x720 -r 23.98 -b 1000 -vcodec mpeg4 -an foo.avi" but it returns "unkown encoder: mpeg4" What package am I missing? |
| 05:54.53 | amitz | bros: codecs, such as "gstreamer" etc. |
| 05:55.24 | amitz | there is a method to list you currently installed coder and decoder. |
| 05:55.54 | peppe | apt-get install debian? |
| 05:55.59 | peppe | ffmpeg -formats |
| 05:56.26 | bros | haha. Good typo. :P Thank you. I knew I was missing something. |
| 05:57.58 | bros | I installed gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, and the same problem? |
| 05:58.50 | peppe | gstreamer shouldn't be involved here. what does ffmpeg -formats say? |
| 05:59.04 | bros | A lot. :-/ |
| 05:59.13 | peppe | well, regarding mpeg4? |
| 05:59.28 | bros | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.46 | peppe | that's the point. missing the "E" for encoder |
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| 05:59.57 | bros | How do I get the encoder? :) |
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| 06:02.11 | bros | peppe: how can i obtain the encoder? |
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| 06:03.28 | amitz | bros: have you look into gstreamer-bad, ugly, etc? |
| 06:04.15 | amitz | it's probably in non-free repository or something like that. or debian-multimedia.org |
| 06:04.26 | amitz | probably. |
| 06:05.07 | peppe | I guess mpeg encoders are disabled in official debian builds |
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| 06:06.23 | bros | What can I do instead? I just want to convert a "vp6f" encoded file into DivX-compatiable so I can edit it in VirtualDub? |
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| 06:06.48 | peppe | bros: install ffmpeg from debian-multimedia |
| 06:08.18 | bros | I do not specifically need the mpeg4 encoder. Is there another encoder that would suffice? |
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| 06:08.51 | peppe | I don't know what formats virtualdub reads |
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| 06:09.41 | error404notfound | I am running debian under qemu, bad thing is that it doesn't allow resolutions higher than 640x480 and its really slow under 128M ram (its basic debian with X). I asked someone and came to know that I had to load kvm module, don't know much about that. any help is appreciated. |
| 06:09.53 | amitz | bros: in your ffmpeg -list, find format having "E" and readable by virtualdub. Use that |
| 06:10.33 | bros | Do not worry about VirtualDub. what is another common codec that the debian ffmpeg supports? |
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| 06:10.58 | peppe | xvid, x264... but I think they're all disabled |
| 06:11.53 | bros | haha so, debian multimedia it is? |
| 06:12.41 | Gun_Smoke | hate to cross post.. but the other debian guys seem to be sleeping.. lol.. Has anyone been through the securing debian manual lately? up to date? |
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| 06:13.05 | peppe | error404notfound: do you have a VT processor? |
| 06:13.43 | error404notfound | yes, I think, coz I saw PAE somewhere in BIOS |
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| 06:14.11 | peppe | PAE is another thing |
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| 06:14.38 | error404notfound | there was also "Virtualization" option, which I turned on.. |
| 06:14.45 | peppe | error404notfound: egrep --color '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 06:14.57 | error404notfound | by default my host OS loads kvm_intel, don't know about qemu guest |
| 06:15.15 | error404notfound | vmx is there |
| 06:15.17 | peppe | oh, so yes, you have vmx |
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| 06:16.02 | peppe | then aptitude install kvm , and run kvm instead of qemu |
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| 06:16.58 | error404notfound | peppe: why not qemu? des kvm support arm emulation? |
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| 06:17.51 | peppe | kvm uses qemu for emulation. but you can't emulate an ARM using kvm |
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| 06:18.51 | error404notfound | so guess I will have to stick with qemu..i am testing debian-arm on qemu before I get hold of the real machine |
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| 06:19.29 | hanibana | hi all :) |
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| 06:21.07 | hanibana | My time-zone data for daylight-saving has not the info for after the year 2006... I see this by zdump. How can I update it? |
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| 06:23.29 | XxtjaxX | hey guys any c++ coders here |
| 06:23.31 | XxtjaxX | ?? |
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| 06:24.24 | error404notfound | cout<<"I am not :P "<<endl; |
| 06:24.36 | J-_ | Sadly Is a load average of load average: 0.06, 0.09, 0.09 too much? |
| 06:24.46 | J-_ | No sadly! |
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| 06:25.54 | XxtjaxX | error404notfound, very funny do u know how i can compare chars in a if ? norrmal comparison seems not to work on that fuckers |
| 06:26.37 | error404notfound | XxtjaxX: simple char comparison? it works afaik, like if ('a' == 'a') |
| 06:26.39 | Sazpaimon | so i apt-get install libc6-amd64 linux-image-2.6-amd64 on my 32 bit remote etch server, when i reboot, ssh will no longer respond, neither will lighttpd |
| 06:26.47 | Sazpaimon | what could have possibly gone wrong |
| 06:27.04 | XxtjaxX | error404notfound, that didnt work on argv's "help" |
| 06:27.10 | stew | XxtjaxX: please go to ##c++ for help with c++ |
| 06:27.24 | error404notfound | stew: I was about to say that... :D |
| 06:27.26 | XxtjaxX | stew i dont wanna register |
| 06:27.54 | Sazpaimon | anyone have any idea, i need to tell the datacenter what to look for |
| 06:28.01 | error404notfound | XxtjaxX: if you don't have time solving your own problem, who else has? try google "char comparison c OR c++" |
| 06:28.02 | stew | XxtjaxX: that's not an excuse to be off-topic in this channel |
| 06:28.30 | Sazpaimon | the previous kernel installed was 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem |
| 06:28.35 | J-_ | Is a load average of 0.09, 0.08, 0.09 too much for a laptop? |
| 06:28.46 | XxtjaxX | stew ok sorry |
| 06:28.57 | mosno | hanibana: what debian version? are you fully updated (security, volatile, main)? |
| 06:29.01 | Sazpaimon | it worked fine, but i wanted a 64 bit debian chroot |
| 06:29.21 | Sazpaimon | but i have NO idea what is causing my servr to stop responding |
| 06:29.23 | stew | J-_: that means the laptop has nothing to do > 90% of the time, so no |
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| 06:29.32 | Sazpaimon | if anyone has any clue, please enlighten me :/ |
| 06:30.00 | stew | Sazpaimon: you need a amd64 kernel if you want to run a 64 bit chroot |
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| 06:30.21 | stew | Sazpaimon: oh i guess you have one? |
| 06:30.41 | Sazpaimon | stew, I JUST ran apt-get install libc6-amd64 linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 06:30.43 | hanibana | mosno: Etch. No I'm not fully-updated. |
| 06:30.44 | Sazpaimon | and rebooted |
| 06:30.47 | J-_ | stew: Okay, cool. Asking because I don't think I've ever seen it that high in Ubuntu. The memory usage I have atm is pretty high. |
| 06:30.48 | Sazpaimon | now my server isnt respondong |
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| 06:31.00 | Sazpaimon | im trying to figure out what would cause it to not respond so i can tell the datacenter what to do |
| 06:31.02 | stew | Sazpaimon: what version of the kernel were you running before, and which did you just install? |
| 06:31.24 | stew | J-_: how are you determining the memory usage? |
| 06:31.25 | Sazpaimon | stew, 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem |
| 06:31.36 | stew | Sazpaimon: which version doesn't work? |
| 06:31.42 | Sazpaimon | according to apt, i just installed: |
| 06:31.43 | Sazpaimon | Setting up linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) ... |
| 06:32.23 | J-_ | stew: looking at top %M shift+m |
| 06:32.24 | hanibana | mosno: I just copied the /etc/localtime of a Lenny Debian to my Etch Debian. But I'm not sure it be a good solution. |
| 06:32.32 | mosno | hanibana: why not update? |
| 06:32.33 | J-_ | %MEM* |
| 06:33.05 | stew | J-_: are you subtracting the amount of ram being used in cache in buffers? |
| 06:33.12 | Sazpaimon | stew, here's my ful apt-get output |
| 06:33.12 | Sazpaimon | http://pastebin.ca/1384584 |
| 06:33.33 | Sazpaimon | i double check my grub entry, its fine, i reboot, nothing happens |
| 06:33.34 | hanibana | mosno: you mean that the only way is "to be update" ?! |
| 06:33.43 | stew | Sazpaimon: and now neither kernel works? or does the 686 kernel work? |
| 06:33.46 | mosno | hanibana: i assume so |
| 06:33.53 | mosno | hanibana: if you don't want to do nasty manual hacks |
| 06:33.59 | Sazpaimon | stew, i don't know, its a remote server, the datacenter will need to reboot it |
| 06:34.07 | mosno | hanibana: ps. /etc/localtime should cut it, you may need an app restart |
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| 06:34.10 | J-_ | stew: Looking at it, yeah. Mem: 2067104k total, 1964880k used, 102224k free, 70620k buffers |
| 06:34.16 | Sazpaimon | i need to know what would have caused it to stop responding so i can tell them what to look for |
| 06:34.25 | mosno | hanibana: also some apps have their own concept of timezone info |
| 06:34.27 | nkuttler | Sazpaimon: did you check your grub config. which kernel does your box boot? |
| 06:34.35 | stew | J-_: how much cached? |
| 06:34.53 | J-_ | stew: Swap: 1052216k total, 0k used, 1052216k free, 1675812k cached |
| 06:35.03 | Sazpaimon | nkuttler, i checked my grub config, linux-image-2.6-amd64 is the first entry listed |
| 06:35.31 | Sazpaimon | i'll have them boot back into 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem |
| 06:35.49 | stew | J-_: so you have around 1.7 gigs free |
| 06:36.27 | J-_ | stew: Okay, thought I was a lot more worse off. :) |
| 06:37.16 | |Jason8| | http://japanesebirdcookingspaghetti.info/ |
| 06:37.36 | stew | J-_: the stuff in cached is being used for disk cache to speed up your system since nothing else was needing the memory. if something needs to use that memory, it could be reclaimed instantly |
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| 06:37.47 | stew | |Jason8|: is that somehow debian related? |
| 06:37.51 | |Jason8| | no |
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| 06:37.53 | ryanCH | how do you get desktop effects (kwin) to work in debian KDE? |
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| 06:38.51 | J-_ | stew: Sounds neat. Thanks for the explanation. |
| 06:39.04 | Sazpaimon | so nobody has any idea what would possibly make the server not boot after installation of the kernel? |
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| 06:39.25 | Sazpaimon | i guess i'll just tell the datacenter to boot the old entry and i'll try and see what went wrong :/ |
| 06:40.32 | stew | Sazpaimon: are you sure you have an 64 bit cpu? |
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| 06:40.42 | stew | Sazpaimon: perhaps device names changed? /msg dpkg uuid |
| 06:40.50 | Sazpaimon | stew, a dual core xeon |
| 06:41.06 | stew | Sazpaimon: does that mean it is 64 bit? |
| 06:41.18 | Sazpaimon | yes, it's 64 bit |
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| 06:46.25 | J-_ | feels like playing some TORCS. Runs way better in Debian than Ubuntu. Way higher FPS, too. |
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| 06:47.09 | schasi | hi there |
| 06:47.50 | J-_ | Is there anything else better than jscalibrator for calibrating controllers? |
| 06:47.55 | schasi | is there somewhere a list of what there is in the programm groups you can choose at install time, eg "Web-Server, Desktopsystem, Laptopystem, Mailserver..." |
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| 06:48.25 | J-_ | schasi: I was thinking of that earlier when I reinstalled Debian today. |
| 06:48.32 | hanibana | mosno: thanks mosno. |
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| 06:49.03 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 06:49.30 | gypsymauro | there is a debian mailing list that sends info about updates of stable release? |
| 06:49.59 | Owner | J-, virtualization makes the world better |
| 06:50.02 | stew | gypsymauro: /msg dpkg dsa |
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| 06:51.16 | J-_ | Owner: For sure, but I don't have anything to Virtualize, and when I was playing around with that stuff, vbox was the one that played nicest with my hardware out of the few I tried. |
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| 06:53.48 | Owner | J-_, to me VMware is the best; it makes everything so simple these days - no more reinstallations |
| 06:55.17 | stew | except that whole probablem of it being evil non-free software |
| 06:55.27 | stew | problem* |
| 06:55.31 | J-_ | Owner: Nice. I'm also still dualbooting. But, I'll probably end up just reformating my drive when the time comes, and install Debian on it. Maybe I'll go for a Debian/ Arch or something or other. Right now I have Ubuntu Hardy/ Debian Squeeze |
| 06:55.47 | gypsymauro | stew: uhm I don't think is the right place, for example I've a lenny with vserver kernel and apt-get says that I've to update it... but searching on that mailing list for vserver (I'm already subscribed) there is nothing |
| 06:55.57 | Owner | stew, that's true but competition is huge in this field, and you see the fruits already |
| 06:56.22 | stew | gypsymauro: what is an example of a package that is going to be updated? |
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| 06:57.07 | gypsymauro | libpng12-0 or linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 06:57.22 | gypsymauro | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:57.22 | gypsymauro | 5.0 |
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| 06:57.25 | J-_ | What a good app to measure my CPU temps? |
| 06:57.30 | amitz | Is apache2-mpm-worker threaded or not threaded? The definition is here: "The worker MPM provides the default threaded implementation. It is recommended especially for high-traffic sites because it is faster and has a smaller memory footprint than the traditional prefork MPM." Meanwhile, a ruby application demand apache2-prefork-dev, which implies that apache2-mpm-worker is non-threaded. |
| 06:57.45 | stew | gypsymauro: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00059.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00060.html |
| 06:58.07 | stew | gypsymauro: what version of linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 do you have installed now? |
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| 06:58.32 | telmich | good morning |
| 06:59.00 | gypsymauro | stew: I c |
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| 06:59.09 | telmich | I've the problem that apt-get -y autoinstall apache2, when I install other packages. how can I tell not todo it? The log can be found at http://home.schottelius.org/~nico/unix/linux/debian/apache2-fai-installed |
| 06:59.29 | gypsymauro | stew: I was searching for the name of package + version |
| 06:59.36 | telmich | I think that trac is the reason (Recommends: apache2), why it is installed |
| 06:59.45 | stew | gypsymauro: yeha, you'd need to search for the name of the source package |
| 07:00.12 | J-_ | Both of my CPUs are 60C, 62C. does that seem too hot? |
| 07:00.13 | gypsymauro | for exampe how can I know the source package of libpng12-0 ? |
| 07:00.20 | gypsymauro | just removing the numeric part? |
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| 07:01.06 | J-_ | Maybe I need to clean the laptop out. |
| 07:01.16 | J-_ | bleh |
| 07:01.23 | stew | gypsymauro: apt-cache showsrc libpng12-0 or in the Source field of "apt-cache show packagename" |
| 07:01.28 | telmich | J-_: depends - I had a P2 running at 80C permanently |
| 07:01.36 | J-_ | This is a laptop. |
| 07:02.09 | gypsymauro | stew: tanx a lot |
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| 07:02.32 | telmich | J-_: does top show some cpu usage? |
| 07:02.35 | mazzanet | i'm having an issue with printing |
| 07:02.43 | telmich | J-_: are the fans running at full speed? |
| 07:02.50 | mazzanet | whether something will actually print or not is seemingly random |
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| 07:03.11 | stew | telmich: what command did you run? |
| 07:03.20 | mazzanet | it's a brother mono laser of which the brother supply a ppd |
| 07:03.28 | gypsymauro | another question, someone got the virtualbox kernel module compiled with the vserver patched kernel from lenny? or are they incompatible |
| 07:03.32 | telmich | stew: that apt-get -y ... at the beginning of the log |
| 07:03.39 | mazzanet | when i print something though, the printer at least comes out of standby |
| 07:03.42 | telmich | stew: it's part of FAI (fully automatic install) |
| 07:03.48 | J-_ | telmich: 0-5% CPU usage. Fans are running accordingly. Never touched teh fan settings, don't know how. |
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| 07:04.38 | telmich | J-_: can you post "acpi -V" somewhere? |
| 07:05.06 | stew | telmich: take that list of packages and run "aptitude why [list of packages] apache2" |
| 07:05.08 | caimlas | has anyone here actually seen/heard of a flash device (CF, SD, USB, etc.) wearing out? |
| 07:05.17 | J-_ | telmich: Doesn't give me any output. I guess I should install acpi. |
| 07:05.49 | stew | telmich: so "aptitude why less gpm ntpdate bash-completion [rest of packages] apache2" |
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| 07:06.25 | telmich | stew: ohhh, cool, never saw that, cool |
| 07:06.52 | telmich | stew: that confirms what I saw: i trac Recommends apache2 | httpd |
| 07:06.54 | J-_ | telmich: http://pastebin.ca/1384615 |
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| 07:08.19 | telmich | J-_: looks like this is quite good in the range of normal for your system |
| 07:08.40 | J-_ | telmich: Cool, thanks. |
| 07:08.45 | telmich | J-_: acpi did not see any reason to run the fans higher (Cooling 2: Processor 0 of 7), so it should be fine |
| 07:08.54 | daewoo | what's debian? |
| 07:08.56 | J-_ | K |
| 07:09.10 | num_l0ck3d | daewoo: please visit... www.debian.org :D |
| 07:09.32 | stew | daewoo: this is an end-user support channel for an operating system named debian: http://www.debian.org |
| 07:09.34 | telmich | J-_: but if in doubt - never trust someone from IRC, it's your system which may get broken |
| 07:09.34 | Stargazers | Linux disto. |
| 07:09.35 | J-_ | daewoo: http://www.debian.org/intro/about ;) |
| 07:09.44 | daewoo | i see |
| 07:09.50 | num_l0ck3d | lol |
| 07:09.56 | daewoo | is this better than Windows? |
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| 07:10.05 | Stargazers | daewoo: Depends. |
| 07:10.16 | Stargazers | daewoo: What you are doing with your os... |
| 07:10.17 | stew | daewoo: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 07:10.29 | Stargazers | Of course I think it is better. |
| 07:10.38 | daewoo | free? |
| 07:10.44 | Stargazers | Yep. |
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| 07:10.47 | stew | daewoo: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 07:10.50 | J-_ | telmich: hmm, maybe I'll go back to Stable. |
| 07:10.52 | Stargazers | adama1: Btw how did you found this channel if you don' even know what is Debian? |
| 07:10.53 | daewoo | better than linux ? |
| 07:10.59 | Stargazers | daewoo: Debian is Linux. |
| 07:11.03 | Stargazers | Linux is only a kernel. |
| 07:11.09 | Stargazers | Debian uses Linux kernel. |
| 07:11.18 | daewoo | cos it has the most people |
| 07:11.26 | Stargazers | Ok. |
| 07:11.48 | stew | debian no longer only uses the linux kernel |
| 07:11.55 | Stargazers | Ok, Hurd also. |
| 07:12.00 | stew | freebsd |
| 07:12.19 | J-_ | Hmm. I've wanted to try Hurd. Same with HaikuOS. |
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| 07:14.09 | daewoo | so, |
| 07:14.19 | daewoo | debian is an interface of linux ? |
| 07:14.35 | daewoo | like pedora |
| 07:14.39 | daewoo | fedora |
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| 07:14.43 | J-_ | No. It's a Distribution. |
| 07:14.50 | nullie | How can I override package conffiles? |
| 07:14.56 | Stargazers | Fedora is distribution like debian also. |
| 07:15.12 | Stargazers | daewoo: Linux is only the kernel, the "heart" of the system. |
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| 07:15.17 | Stargazers | And debian and fedora uses that kernel. |
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| 07:16.05 | stew | nullie: you can just replace them, they will not be overwritten if you have changed them after installing a package |
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| 07:16.32 | nullie | stew: I mean I want some of my files not to be considered conffiles by dpkg |
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| 07:17.01 | stew | nullie: you mean you want to edit them and have dpkg throw away your changes? |
| 07:17.06 | nullie | no |
| 07:17.11 | stew | nullie: then what? |
| 07:17.23 | nullie | I want to create package and want some files in etc not to be treated by dpkg specially |
| 07:18.05 | stew | nullie: then make sure they aren't listed in the conffiles file |
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| 07:19.05 | nullie | stew: how? |
| 07:19.26 | Stargazers | If I want to add many wlan to wpasupplicant, should I just add network { } parts in config file more? |
| 07:20.02 | stew | nullie: assuming you are using debhelper, i guess you'd have to edit the file after running dh_installdeb |
| 07:20.11 | nullie | doh |
| 07:20.41 | stew | nullie: i don't know if you can provide debian/packagename.conffiles and have that just be copied in instead |
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| 07:22.15 | ryanCH | is there a GUI wireless AP finder for debian? |
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| 07:22.40 | stew | ryanCH: network-manager-{gnome,kde} or wicd |
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| 07:22.51 | JJoliver | Hi, does anyone know of a good touch typing interface for LXDE? |
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| 07:23.01 | ryanCH | stew: used in conjunction with ndiswrapper, right? |
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| 07:23.58 | scuser | hi all, does anyone know which package should I install to have stdbool.h that conforms to C99 ? |
| 07:24.04 | stew | ryanCH: uhh, perhaps, i guess. the need for ndiswrapper should be fairly rare, and becoming increasingly so, these days |
| 07:24.11 | scuser | I'm using debian 5 |
| 07:24.33 | ryanCH | stew: well, what do i need to use my wifi card, then? |
| 07:24.46 | stew | ryanCH: which wifi card do you have? |
| 07:24.58 | schasi | Woa, lenny uses lilo if you want to have a xfs root partition o0 that is... weird somehow |
| 07:25.09 | ryanCH | stew: it's a linksys pcmcia |
| 07:25.23 | stew | ryanCH: which chipset? |
| 07:25.27 | ryanCH | atheros |
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| 07:26.26 | ryanCH | @ stew |
| 07:26.32 | stew | ryanCH: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
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| 07:27.24 | Owner | ryanCH: I had the same problem with installing my Belkin 54g (broadcom chipset); couldn't get it working |
| 07:28.15 | ryanCH | hmm |
| 07:28.19 | ryanCH | what did you do? |
| 07:28.45 | Owner | stew, does it automatically install a wi-fi card? |
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| 07:29.37 | stew | Owner: that gest you information about some of the ways to get support for some atheros based cards |
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| 07:30.17 | stew | Owner: which chipset do you have? |
| 07:30.30 | ryanCH | stew: will "NetworkManager" configure my card for me? |
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| 07:30.46 | aixenv | is tomcat5.5 broken in lennY? |
| 07:30.49 | stew | ryanCH: yes, after the driver is working |
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| 07:30.56 | stew | aixenv: /mgs dpkg bts |
| 07:30.58 | ryanCH | i see |
| 07:31.05 | Owner | in my case, there was a driver compiled into the kernel which I couldn't unloaded, so I gave up - didn't want to compile it from scratch |
| 07:31.08 | aixenv | i installed it and dont seem to have logs |
| 07:32.08 | Owner | stew, broadcom |
| 07:32.12 | aixenv | anyone successfully have tomcat 5.5 that comes in apt-get working on lenny? |
| 07:32.19 | stew | Owner: which? |
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| 07:32.32 | Owner | i guess, 43 or something |
| 07:32.35 | Owner | 0043 |
| 07:32.51 | stew | aixenv: you can be assured that many people must, if not, there will be a severity grave bug filed against it, check the bts |
| 07:33.10 | stew | Owner: try /msg dpkg b43 |
| 07:33.22 | stew | Owner: you probably are just missing firmware |
| 07:33.34 | stew | Owner: (which cannot be included in debian) |
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| 07:33.35 | aixenv | i did check the bts already |
| 07:33.45 | aixenv | which is why im asking here |
| 07:33.46 | grendal_prime | ok i just do not understand exim |
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| 07:33.58 | aixenv | tomcat installs but doesnt have logs working anywhere |
| 07:34.05 | aixenv | and it loads but no logs |
| 07:34.06 | grendal_prime | i have a webserver, i have some php scripts that are trying to send an email. |
| 07:34.21 | Owner | stew, that didn't work for me, so I tried to install a wrapper but b43 was built into the kernel and i couldn't unloaded, so the wrapper didn't work either |
| 07:34.34 | stew | Owner: why coulnd't it be unloaded? |
| 07:34.38 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: uh... they're not in /var/log/tomcat5.5? |
| 07:34.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | re |
| 07:34.45 | aixenv | nope it's empty |
| 07:35.03 | aixenv | dondelelcaro: whats your ownership for /var/log/tomcat5.5 ? and perm on dir? |
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| 07:35.10 | grendal_prime | i cant for the life of me get these to send. all i get out of the logs are a bunch of "gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [209.85.199.114] Connection timed out" and similar errors |
| 07:35.17 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: I don't have tomcat installed. See #485600 |
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| 07:35.38 | aixenv | i already did see that |
| 07:35.47 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: is someone blocking outgoing smtp? |
| 07:35.47 | aixenv | that isnt the issue |
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| 07:35.51 | Owner | stew, because b43 was automatically loading itself and obviously didn't work; thus the wrapper couldn't do it's job |
| 07:35.56 | stew | grendal_prime: what happens if you run "telnet 209.85.199.114 smtp" on the command line |
| 07:36.00 | grendal_prime | that server is also the router |
| 07:36.18 | stew | Owner: what is "the wrapper"? |
| 07:36.35 | grendal_prime | Trying 209.85.199.114... |
| 07:36.39 | grendal_prime | and thats it |
| 07:36.50 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: yeah, seems like someone is blocking outgoing 25 or similar. |
| 07:37.13 | stew | grendal_prime: it works here. sounds like probably your isp is blocking it |
| 07:37.22 | grendal_prime | ok..well i configured the router to only block things comming in |
| 07:37.42 | Owner | stew, dns..wrapper which makes the original drivers for windows work in linux |
| 07:38.02 | stew | Owner: why would you use a windows driver instad of the one that comes with debian? |
| 07:38.19 | Owner | stew, these didn't work in my case |
| 07:38.22 | stew | Owner: why not? |
| 07:38.25 | grendal_prime | well this makes no sence...why can i send email from my email client then? |
| 07:38.36 | grendal_prime | smtp server uses different port? |
| 07:38.38 | Owner | stew, wish to know that |
| 07:38.39 | JJoliver | Anyone use tipptrainer? |
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| 07:38.50 | stew | Owner: did you use b43-fwcutter successfully? |
| 07:38.54 | aixenv | hrm weird |
| 07:39.02 | aixenv | i did a --purge remove and then redid it and voila logs, go figure |
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| 07:39.55 | Owner | stew, fwcutter is for the kernel above 2.6.26 and mine was below that number |
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| 07:40.18 | Owner | stew, so I didn't try it |
| 07:40.23 | OpenTokix | morning |
| 07:40.40 | stew | Owner: oh, i didn't know that, then you'd need to get firmware from somewhere else |
| 07:40.46 | stew | Owner: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 07:41.18 | Owner | my was 2.6.21 |
| 07:41.30 | stew | Owner: what version of debian are you running? |
| 07:41.31 | Owner | at that time |
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| 07:42.22 | Owner | I have windows on my laptop with cygwin isntalled |
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| 07:42.28 | Owner | and it works great so far |
| 07:42.57 | stew | ok, enjoy |
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| 07:44.46 | Owner | wish i had debian but it's too much trouble with the installation |
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| 07:45.09 | J-_ | hmm, I removed a bunch of xorg drivers from the xorg-all and installed the proper one for my chipset. Not sure if it's using it or not. But, my CPU temps seem to be going down. |
| 07:45.15 | Owner | i've tried twice so far to no avail |
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| 07:45.33 | xr | My issue is, how do I specify that in /etc/fstab? |
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| 07:45.36 | xr | mount -o bind /dev /chroot/dev |
| 07:45.45 | xr | mount -o bind /dev/pts /chroot/dev/pts |
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| 07:46.12 | J-_ | Owner: Keep trying. |
| 07:46.52 | J-_ | Owner: It only gets so much then you get fed up. But, I mean - it's worth it. |
| 07:46.53 | Owner | J-_, when I buy a new laptop, certainly a netbook |
| 07:46.53 | stew | xr: put bind in the options column and 'none' in the fstype column |
| 07:47.31 | J-_ | Owner: I'd suggest another debian-based distro for a beginner, but I'd probably get shunned. |
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| 07:47.50 | J-_ | Owner: But, yeah. debian is alright. Not that hard to set up. |
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| 07:47.57 | J-_ | Owner: Just read. :) |
| 07:48.43 | Owner | J-_, definitely Debian - no other distro is as good as debian |
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| 07:49.06 | xr | stew: /dev /chroot/dev none defaults,bind 0 0 ? |
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| 07:50.27 | xingu | xr: you may well be reinventing the wheel there; take a look into schroot |
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| 07:50.29 | xingu | !info schroot |
| 07:50.35 | dpkg | schroot: (Execute commands in a chroot environment), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.2.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 632 kB, Installed size: 1812 kB |
| 07:51.13 | xr | i want only option for mount... |
| 07:51.28 | xingu | xr: that's part of what schroot automates. |
| 07:51.37 | J-_ | Owner: I'm still learning, bit I've come from another debian-based distro. |
| 07:51.45 | J-_ | s/bit/but/ |
| 07:51.46 | xr | ok |
| 07:52.18 | Owner | J-_, was it Ubuntu? |
| 07:54.04 | J-_ | Owner: yep |
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| 07:55.13 | J-_ | I got sick of Jaunty, and didn't really like the outcome of jaunty. Even though it's still beta - I didn't like how they were rolling it out. |
| 07:55.23 | jetscreamer | gasps |
| 07:55.39 | J-_ | scurries |
| 07:56.03 | Owner | J-_, have never tried it |
| 07:56.35 | Owner | J-_, I have a ubuntu vm though, it's pretty nice |
| 07:56.54 | J-_ | you'll probably like it as a new user. But, learning how to use Debian will make you even more superior in Linux. |
| 07:57.14 | Owner | J-_, though, there is something about Debian I like -- simple, reliable, and small |
| 07:57.27 | J-_ | Pretty much that, yeah. |
| 07:58.36 | J-_ | Simple, I don't know. Easy to install, sure. Easy to configure(to your liking) ... that's another story. |
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| 08:00.01 | J-_ | I like having a Vanilla installation though. Makes me learn more. It might not be plain jane, but it's a lot less tweaked than Ubuntu that's for sure. |
| 08:00.02 | folken | debian means reading documentation. People rather click today. |
| 08:00.09 | Owner | J-_, by 'simple' I meant configuration stuff |
| 08:00.45 | ZupZupper | Debian's a breath of fresh air after a few years of mucking with Ubuntu |
| 08:00.46 | Owner | J-_, I guess, understanding how OS works is a lot of work |
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| 08:01.15 | ZupZupper | You guys are the best of the new crop of distros, keep it up! |
| 08:01.15 | J-_ | ZupZupper: I agree. |
| 08:01.36 | ZupZupper | I mean simple, elegant, you'd think someone would have rolled one like this before =) |
| 08:01.43 | folken | its more like getting an OS to do what _you_ want. Rather than letting the OS do what _it_ wants. |
| 08:01.44 | ZupZupper | ducks |
| 08:01.52 | dondelelcaro | well, Debian is one of the oldest linux distributions... |
| 08:02.02 | dondelelcaro | (slack is only a month or so older) |
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| 08:03.05 | ZupZupper | I keed I keed |
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| 08:03.48 | folken | ZupZupper: roll it, lick it.. |
| 08:04.53 | ZupZupper | =) I jumped from Debian onto the ubuntu bandwagon a few years back, almost went to the dark side before I remembered my old friend |
| 08:05.48 | Owner | by the way, if I get a signal through cable it's obviously electrical (modulated ); the signal in fiber optics: how it gets into kernel? -- i guess it's a wave of light converted into what for a router to broadcast in a lan network? |
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| 08:06.51 | th1 | hi, what's the most efficient way of running production DOS app (BBS system) under Debian? QEmu or DosBox or Bochs or something else? |
| 08:07.19 | th1 | dosemu maybe? |
| 08:07.21 | nkuttler | th1: if it runs in dosbox i'd take that |
| 08:07.28 | nkuttler | or that |
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| 08:07.45 | th1 | ok but DosBox is a full emulation isn't it? i.e i translates all the x86 code doesn't execute it natively? |
| 08:07.47 | ZupZupper | Owner, it's converted back to electronic signals at the NIC |
| 08:07.59 | folken | Owner: fiberoptics work like morse code. |
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| 08:08.59 | wsxws | stew ? |
| 08:09.01 | Owner | ZupZupper, NIC of a router? |
| 08:09.03 | wsxws | oops, hi all |
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| 08:09.32 | folken | Owner: the protocol running across fibre is ethernet. |
| 08:09.51 | ZupZupper | Owner, it's converted on the nic on your PC as well as at the router |
| 08:09.51 | Owner | folken, so in every lan |
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| 08:10.26 | telmich | anyone aware that the debian installer has no support for 82576 Gigabit ET Dual Port Server Adapter (8086:10c6)? according to http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI it is supported |
| 08:10.27 | folken | Owner: (as in the protocol, not the cableing standard) |
| 08:10.41 | telmich | I'm using debian testing from 20090317 |
| 08:11.27 | telmich | hoi folken ;-) |
| 08:11.35 | Owner | ZupZupper, i thought it must be converted before a router |
| 08:11.43 | PriitM_ | wazaaaa |
| 08:11.57 | PriitM_ | nothing much, just installing debian and having coffee |
| 08:12.06 | J-_ | mmm coffee |
| 08:12.08 | ZupZupper | Owner: it depends on the network, and what equipment is setup, it doesn't have to be |
| 08:12.18 | folken | telmich: salut :) |
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| 08:12.30 | ZupZupper | Owner: but yes, usually it goes into a switch before it hits a router |
| 08:12.42 | J-_ | often refers to thinking of homer most of the time. mmmm donuts. |
| 08:13.01 | ZupZupper | but fiber is just a transmission medium as folken has been saying, not a networking protocol |
| 08:13.34 | wsxws | okies, just for info: i have been here yesterday with a strange network-problem, using da webserver in a datacenter, i had kinda hicup in networkconnection. the problem could hit everyone using da realtek r8168 adapter, because the driver of kernel 2.6.24 and above is buggy and u need to replace it (there is a r8169 driver in it) with the original driver of the r8168 from the realtek hp. |
| 08:13.45 | Owner | ZupZupper, Verizon converts the signal before a router |
| 08:14.19 | ZupZupper | Owner: are you speaking of their FiOS network? |
| 08:14.27 | wsxws | i thought maybe you were intrested in solutions also, beside of all the problems u hear here ;) |
| 08:14.31 | Owner | ZupZupper, yes |
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| 08:15.47 | J-_ | That questions my thought of ISPs leasing their modems and routers out. Do they go for the cheap side of things? They maust since they hand them out to the masses, and it's cheaper for them. I should look into what type of modem would work better than the one I have. |
| 08:16.19 | ZupZupper | Owner: I don't know anything about that system, it's not available here, though I'd imagine it's fiber from their central hubs to local distribution areas, then more fiber out to your door |
| 08:16.39 | ZupZupper | anyone got intimate knowledge of FiOS for Owner? |
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| 08:17.36 | J-_ | I should go to bed for a couple hours. |
| 08:18.17 | Owner | ZupZupper, I'll have it in 4 months :-)) |
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| 08:18.29 | ZupZupper | anyone using IET on debian to provide iSCSI to VMWare? |
| 08:18.39 | ZupZupper | Owner: enjoy, I hear it's fun |
| 08:18.42 | Owner | Verizon is coming into my area |
| 08:19.25 | AlHafoudh | which packages i should remove after installing debian? i need to make it smallest as possible |
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| 08:19.44 | ZupZupper | AlHafoudh: go the other way, minimal install then put in what you need |
| 08:19.49 | liable | AlHafoudh: if you just installed a base system, none.. |
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| 08:20.28 | ZupZupper | AlHafoudh: grab the netinst CD for your architecture, uncheck all the package options during the install and you'll end up with a running system that takes up about 350mb |
| 08:20.41 | ZupZupper | then just apt-get your way to glory |
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| 08:22.00 | AlHafoudh | yes, and i need to make it even smaller ;) i have netinst |
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| 08:22.17 | AlHafoudh | it will be bootet over network |
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| 08:22.23 | medecau | \o |
| 08:22.41 | ZupZupper | hehe hmm |
| 08:22.58 | folken | Owner: fibres are usually point to point. The lasersignals get converted back to electrical, at any endpoint. e.g. router, nic.. |
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| 08:23.07 | medecau | i am setting up a mirror using ftpsync script, what rsync mirror should i use for east usa? |
| 08:23.34 | ZupZupper | AlHafoudh: kill all the man pages, documentation |
| 08:23.40 | eth01 | fibre isn't always p-t-p |
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| 08:23.47 | AlHafoudh | hmm |
| 08:23.55 | eth01 | (just to correct you) |
| 08:24.05 | ZupZupper | that's what google's for =) |
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| 08:24.21 | folken | eth01: can you back that up? /me is willing to learn. |
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| 08:25.29 | Owner | folken, but conversion has to take place in some special box, i guess |
| 08:25.33 | eth01 | oh and i suggest against using fibre for "home use" as it's very expensive.. unless you've been able to obtain it very cheaply (although possible, certainly not the case for everybody). |
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| 08:26.06 | folken | Owner: you can get a network card pci for that. it just has a laser and a reciever instead of an rj45 jack. |
| 08:26.16 | ZupZupper | eth01: pshaww....my fiber connectors are only $17 a piece, cheap! |
| 08:26.55 | dondelelcaro | fiber is pretty much the only way to go for long haul stuff... but most people probably don't need it |
| 08:27.04 | eth01 | it's cost me £23.. (not cheap) |
| 08:27.27 | eth01 | 40 x 23 = £920 |
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| 08:27.41 | folken | unless you need to cover more than a 100 meters in distance copper is the option. |
| 08:27.55 | eject_ck | where I can get original init.d script ? |
| 08:27.57 | folken | however i am all for FibreToTheHome |
| 08:28.04 | eject_ck | for pure-ftpd-mysql |
| 08:28.25 | ZupZupper | eth01: that bit said...I'm kinda curious what they actually cost lately =) |
| 08:28.48 | eth01 | ZupZupper: that was some of the semicolonic premium grade. |
| 08:28.54 | Owner | folken, fiber is better in this regard, there is no loss in signal up to 2000 meters |
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| 08:29.05 | xoz_ | eject_ck: sysv-rc? |
| 08:29.13 | eth01 | (which can go outside) |
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| 08:30.01 | ZupZupper | eth01: direct bury stuff? |
| 08:30.07 | folken | Owner: exactly, but cat5 is so cheap nowadays and can even run @ 10Gigabit. |
| 08:30.07 | ZupZupper | or just outdoor rated |
| 08:30.16 | ZupZupper | cat5 can't run 10G |
| 08:30.26 | ZupZupper | the spec's only good up to 1G |
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| 08:30.54 | Gun_Smoke | it's what 150Ft max without help? |
| 08:31.02 | ZupZupper | 300ft |
| 08:31.05 | Gun_Smoke | ahh.. |
| 08:31.11 | ZupZupper | but that's stretching it =) |
| 08:31.18 | eth01 | ZupZupper: from one office to another. |
| 08:31.23 | eth01 | (underneath a car park) |
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| 08:31.34 | ZupZupper | actually...does the spec change for gig on cat5...I know it's 300 at 100mb |
| 08:31.38 | folken | ZupZupper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_gigabit_Ethernet Check out Copper (10GBASE-X/10GBASE-T) |
| 08:31.49 | ZupZupper | folken: not all copper is cat5 |
| 08:32.07 | folken | ZupZupper: ok you got a point there. :) |
| 08:32.11 | ZupZupper | you need cat6 to do 10Gbe and it's specific types of cat6 =) |
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| 08:32.31 | ZupZupper | they get real persnickity about how you run it and how long it travels |
| 08:32.37 | ZupZupper | to keep it in code |
| 08:33.10 | ZupZupper | eth01: nice, so just checked, the ST connectors can be had for $7 a pop...but who wants to terminate those? |
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| 08:33.42 | eth01 | ZupZupper: dunno. i didn't get that far. |
| 08:33.53 | folken | i think its still the gbics that are the expensive bit? |
| 08:33.55 | Owner | i'm wondering if bandwidth is going to be unlimited or pay-as-go in the future |
| 08:34.04 | ZupZupper | folken yup |
| 08:34.13 | Gun_Smoke | unlimited.. |
| 08:34.14 | eth01 | Owner: no such thing in "unlimited" bandwidth. |
| 08:34.23 | Gun_Smoke | it's will get there.. |
| 08:34.37 | eth01 | infinite bandwidth, O.K. |
| 08:34.40 | Gun_Smoke | unless we start moving buildings.. |
| 08:34.47 | ZupZupper | last time I played with fiber they had these really nice connectors that snapped in on the strand |
| 08:34.55 | ZupZupper | no polish or glue needed |
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| 08:35.06 | eth01 | ZupZupper: they all do, don't they? |
| 08:35.18 | Owner | eth01, these are two different things |
| 08:35.20 | ZupZupper | eth01: beats me =) that's also the only time I played with fiber |
| 08:35.29 | ZupZupper | coppers more my speed |
| 08:35.31 | folken | eth01: he means the end that goes on the cable not the plug into the gbic. |
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| 08:35.53 | eth01 | ZupZupper: ah |
| 08:35.53 | eth01 | ic |
| 08:35.54 | ZupZupper | oh yea, the actual connector on the glass |
| 08:36.16 | Owner | eth01, i was thinking about client-isp relation |
| 08:36.58 | eth01 | Owner: unlimited bandwidth would force business to close. |
| 08:37.07 | eth01 | businesses, even |
| 08:37.08 | folken | the whole thing about isps and 'umlimited' bandwith is, that they need to buy the upstream from somewhere. |
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| 08:37.23 | ZupZupper | mostly they buy it from me.... |
| 08:37.31 | ZupZupper | I keep it all in a BIG jar out back |
| 08:37.59 | folken | ZupZupper: careful with the expiry date. |
| 08:38.15 | Owner | eth01, not necessarily with technology going very fast forward we can expect in the long run this to happen |
| 08:38.18 | ZupZupper | folken: I let it air out every so often, we get seagulls surfing facebook in midair |
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| 08:39.15 | folken | ZupZupper: oh yes please.. let them eat facebook. |
| 08:40.07 | folken | facebook is evil (/me waits for the hordes to either make him the revolutionary leader, or take him away to be burned in a witchhunt.) |
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| 08:42.22 | folken | seems i forgot the third option. ignorance. |
| 08:42.30 | ZupZupper | you do not speak ill of the facebook! |
| 08:42.41 | folken | facepalmbook. |
| 08:42.45 | ZupZupper | starts chanting |
| 08:42.47 | Maior | folken: nah, people just were afk gathering firewood ;) |
| 08:43.28 | folken | Maior: hai! bonfire! |
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| 08:44.45 | folken | didn't know that there where actually people using chatzilla. |
| 08:44.57 | ZupZupper | shrug I used to |
| 08:45.14 | Stargazers | Irssi ftw. |
| 08:45.16 | krisfremen | i use chatzilla |
| 08:45.16 | ZupZupper | Composer too =) |
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| 08:45.19 | krisfremen | but i switched to irssi |
| 08:45.21 | krisfremen | xD |
| 08:45.22 | folken | ah but then you became a man! :) |
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| 08:45.40 | krisfremen | i still use chatzilla from time to time though |
| 08:45.42 | SPF | are there any statistics on irc client usage on freenode? |
| 08:45.57 | ZupZupper | you guys aren't crafting these packets by hand?? |
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| 08:46.05 | folken | telnet ftw! |
| 08:46.14 | ZupZupper | it was hard at first...but now I just type *really* fast |
| 08:46.37 | folken | i use a flashlight and a fibre. :) |
| 08:46.49 | krisfremen | i use fiberoptics xD |
| 08:47.04 | folken | must look funny, them glasses. :) |
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| 08:47.40 | disposable | i have configured my custom kernel with these memory related options http://debian.pastebin.com/d768cf10f so that i can use 6GB of ram on a 32 bit server. However, I can only see 4GB of it. Is there anything else I am forgetting? (perhaps a kernel parameter in grub) |
| 08:47.54 | ZupZupper | i remember reading a while back about how Stallman uses email now a days |
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| 08:48.08 | ZupZupper | he types out his correspondence and mails it to a friend who transcribes it to email |
| 08:48.19 | krisfremen | rofl!!! |
| 08:48.42 | rofl | yes? |
| 08:48.52 | folken | disposable: is that a multicpu server? |
| 08:49.00 | folken | disposable: i think you forgott numa in that case. |
| 08:49.11 | disposable | folken: yes, it is a multicpu |
| 08:49.32 | folken | disposable: its probably numa, referring to dedicated memory for each cpu. |
| 08:50.04 | ZupZupper | night kids |
| 08:50.26 | ZupZupper | its been fun, I'll be back soon with cookies and milk for all! |
| 08:50.33 | disposable | folken: thanks, i'll try that |
| 08:50.55 | folken | disposable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Uniform_Memory_Access |
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| 08:55.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | milk? |
| 08:55.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | whiskey! |
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| 08:57.06 | _anthonyc | ouch, sounds painful - try more lube? |
| 08:57.18 | _anthonyc | fuck, wrong tab |
| 08:59.11 | CalJohn | I'm the haskell package manager, cabal, and it has a bug where it fails whenever the environment variable $http_proxy is set. However, unset does not seem to remove the variable from the list produced by set. How should I get rid of it? |
| 08:59.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed... sounds like you fucked the wrong tab, _anthonyc |
| 08:59.59 | osfd_ | Hi, I obviously have a lot of error on one of my partition. Right now I'm doing a backup of the data to format this partition. Will I get rid of the errors when I'll have formatted the partition and copy back the data? |
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| 09:00.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | CalJohn, it does in bash |
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| 09:00.43 | osfd_ | of fsck is enough ? |
| 09:00.51 | osfd_ | s/of/or |
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| 09:01.00 | CalJohn | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm using bash, and unset just changes it to "http_proxy=" |
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| 09:01.58 | peturrrr | Hi |
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| 09:02.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | osfd_, either - but of course only if it's not physically damaged |
| 09:02.33 | peturrrr | I have enabled IPv4 forwarding on my Linux machine, it has a public IP. It is that a security risk? |
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| 09:02.56 | osfd_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't think so...(I hope no) |
| 09:03.05 | AlHafoudh | how to search for package which contains certain path |
| 09:03.10 | anoHito | hi guys, in snort.debian.conf what if i have 2 IPs ? |
| 09:03.15 | anoHito | DEBIAN_SNORT_HOME_NET=? |
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| 09:03.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | CalJohn, it does so for me - also see "help unset" |
| 09:04.25 | CalJohn | CutMeOwnThroat: what is the output of "set | grep http" on your machine, and do you have it set beforehand? |
| 09:04.26 | anoHito | ;( |
| 09:04.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | osfd_, of course, whatever's lost/garbled is lost or garbled now... there's a German saying that translates roughly as "to secure the deep well after a baby has already fallen in" which fits pretty well :) |
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| 09:05.09 | CalJohn | CutMeOwnThroat: I guess the equivalent english saying is "fixing the barn door after the horse has bolted" :) |
| 09:05.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | CalJohn, I used some new variable - and there is still some reference to it (i.e. one line with the variable name), but there are two lines with it when it's set |
| 09:05.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | CalJohn, aha - didn't know that one yet, thx |
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| 09:05.58 | CalJohn | CutMeOwnThroat: i think I am dealing with some other bug then, thanks |
| 09:06.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Germans also have "bodies in the basement" instead of skeletons in the closet :) it's a funny old world |
| 09:06.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | CalJohn, maybe - if unsure try to prevent it from being set in the 1st place |
| 09:06.28 | damaex | we have more corpses in the basement :) |
| 09:06.49 | CalJohn | I wonder whether these idioms have developed independantly, or whether english has stolen and changed other people's idioms |
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| 09:07.18 | CalJohn | i suppose it would be unusual for the english language to be original |
| 09:07.18 | Maior | given the nature of the English language, I suspect the latter |
| 09:07.25 | Maior | fsvo "stolen" |
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| 09:08.11 | WormFood | I think you'll find most languages develop their own idioms, however the way people think are similar |
| 09:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | now be fair, the English mostly "stole" from latin |
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| 09:08.49 | xoz_ | germans and english are from latin |
| 09:08.54 | WormFood | I have been listening to an audio book, on what makes ideas stick, and they talk about idioms and expressions, and compare the same ones across different languages |
| 09:08.55 | damaex | nope |
| 09:08.59 | Maior | laughs at 'mostly "stole"' |
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| 09:09.10 | CalJohn | CutMeOwnThroat: and french :) |
| 09:09.17 | WormFood | CutMeOwnThroat, I think you'll find english "borrows" from all languages |
| 09:09.22 | damaex | i dont understand a single word of the latin languages: french, spanish, portugese, italian |
| 09:09.28 | WormFood | "long time no see", is from chinese (translated to english, of course) |
| 09:09.31 | osfd_ | CutMeOwnThroat: how can I know if it's physically damaged and what can possibly do that ? |
| 09:09.49 | WormFood | I'd say the french forced those words on english |
| 09:09.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... English is a lot closer to Latin than German - it e.g. uses e.g. :) |
| 09:09.55 | CalJohn | xoz_: i thought german had a really weak link with latin |
| 09:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | osfd_, you could check it's SMART record |
| 09:10.14 | WormFood | english and german have the same roots |
| 09:10.30 | AlHafoudh | can i delete /usr/share/locales ? |
| 09:10.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | osfd_, you even SHOULD check that if in doubt.. I guess all reasonably recent hard disks have it |
| 09:10.50 | osfd_ | CutMeOwnThroat: what is that ?? |
| 09:10.56 | WormFood | now if you want a language rich with idioms, check out chinese |
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| 09:11.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | osfd_, apt-cache show smartmontools and apt-cache show ide-smart |
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| 09:12.06 | CalJohn | WormFood: or Welsh |
| 09:12.23 | dimedo | hi, how can i reset my apache and php5 config files to the originals from the packets? |
| 09:12.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the skeletons and the bodies might have developed independently... |
| 09:12.34 | WormFood | ide-smart? that isn't even on my sid |
| 09:12.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, there is no shit hitting the fan in German |
| 09:12.45 | damaex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Chimpanzee |
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| 09:13.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell dimedo about confmiss |
| 09:13.41 | CalJohn | CutMeOwnThroat: "shit hitting the fan" _must_ be American |
| 09:14.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | dimedo, the factoid assumes you have erased them, but the principle is the same |
| 09:14.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe maybe |
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| 09:14.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | just wanted to say there are some idioms that don't have an equivalent |
| 09:15.03 | WormFood | damaex, the author of that book, has another interesting book named something like "why is sex fun"...I have it on audiobook, and is rather interesting |
| 09:15.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or at least not a very close one |
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| 09:15.32 | simonrvn | 1-800-snag-a-squatch ;p |
| 09:15.41 | simonrvn | s,8,9, |
| 09:15.55 | simonrvn | </ot> |
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| 09:16.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, hmm, perhaps ide-smart is still on my stystem from some previous stable and didn't get thrown out on upgrade(?) |
| 09:16.42 | xoz_ | CalJohn: http://german.about.com/library/weekly/aa103000a.htm |
| 09:16.50 | WormFood | perhaps...I dunno |
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| 09:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache madison sure doesn't find it |
| 09:17.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmmm |
| 09:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | latest version is from 2002... |
| 09:18.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | says it all, really |
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| 09:19.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, there is a kind of equivalent for the shit hitting the fan |
| 09:19.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I take it back :) |
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| 09:19.43 | BeRoots | hi |
| 09:19.45 | BeRoots | :) |
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| 09:21.10 | damaex | WormFood: i like this entertaining science writing style of him. |
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| 09:22.06 | BeRoots | i have an error after chang the su shell... chsh => /bin/zsh/ ... at log, it's wrong "/bin/zsh/ is not a path"... an idea for change this param in user because log su is impossible ? |
| 09:22.42 | BeRoots | no serverX install... |
| 09:22.52 | WormFood | indeed damaex, I agree |
| 09:23.28 | BeRoots | i would like to make a chsh commande in user for the su account... an idea |
| 09:23.30 | BeRoots | ??? |
| 09:24.25 | maxagaz | hi |
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| 09:25.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | BeRoots, the tailing / is wrong it amazes me that chsh allowed you to do that |
| 09:26.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, there's nothing wrong with bash |
| 09:26.24 | BeRoots | yes, but possible to change in user for the su account |
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| 09:27.27 | sinelaw | how do I know which version of a package is installed? |
| 09:28.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -l packagename |
| 09:28.44 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename |
| 09:28.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shaddup |
| 09:28.49 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 09:28.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, will! |
| 09:29.00 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: no idea |
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| 09:29.42 | sinelaw | ok! thanks |
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| 09:30.59 | bzhz | There are 2 servers in same network, they both running Centos 5.2. Here's output of ntp -q ntp.server of both servers: 7 Apr 10:59:27 ntpdate[30711]: adjust time server 85.17.233.194 offset 0.056402 sec , and this is from second machine: 7 Apr 11:00:25 ntpdate[1944]: step time server 85.17.233.194 offset -39.173956 sec . May I know why time doesn't match on both machines and I have +49seconds on second machine ? |
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| 09:32.12 | sinelaw | CutMeOwnThroat, when I apt-get source for some reason it fetches the wrong version |
| 09:32.20 | sinelaw | not the version that dpkg -l shows |
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| 09:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks at the channel name. Indeed it looks like #centos... CutMeOwnThroat therefore decides he must be too tired. |
| 09:33.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | sinelaw, dpkg -l show what you *have* use "apt-cache show packagename |grep Version" to see the ones that are available |
| 09:33.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | or actually apt-cache madison packagename |
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| 09:33.50 | sinelaw | madison? |
| 09:33.53 | sinelaw | never heard of that |
| 09:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why you're the one who asks and not the one answering |
| 09:34.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 09:34.14 | sinelaw | indeed |
| 09:34.28 | sinelaw | but i see a question mark right there after 'madison' |
| 09:34.38 | error404notfound | I was emulating debian etch on qemu-arm. I upgrade it, and now install X, but I can see anything just a blinking cursor forever. Please dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't even show an option to select a resolution |
| 09:35.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | you do? |
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| 09:36.00 | sinelaw | aha! that's a question. |
| 09:36.04 | sinelaw | gotcha |
| 09:36.18 | sinelaw | ;) |
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| 09:37.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | your logic is irrefutable |
| 09:37.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... said one stick figure to the other... ( http://xkcd.com/539/ |
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| 09:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !madison |
| 09:39.15 | dpkg | somebody said madison was part of katie, shows which suites a binary package is in |
| 09:39.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | thank god, ... er.. dpkg... now we're enlightnened |
| 09:39.47 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: notice how he's putting he back to the middle of the Gauss curve in the alt text |
| 09:39.50 | jelly | her* |
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| 09:40.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course |
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| 09:42.03 | osfd_ | CutMeOwnThroat: another question please. If I format my partition will that mess up something...? |
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| 09:42.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that a trick question? |
| 09:43.08 | jelly | depends... do you do tricks? |
| 09:43.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | mabbe |
| 09:43.40 | osfd_ | CutMeOwnThroat: not at all. I mean, I have a dual boot (OSX / Debian) and I use refit as a bootloader |
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| 09:44.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it'll obviously mess up the partition? |
| 09:44.56 | rightnow | Anyone know if there is a open source solution for an alternative to Microsoft Exchange Server? I want a simple mailserver, and a way for my Outlook users to share appointments and their calender? |
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| 09:44.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you'll have to re-run the bootloader if /boot is on it? |
| 09:45.27 | osfd_ | CutMeOwnThroat: no, this is a data partition so nothing is related to the "system" itself |
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| 09:46.26 | osfd_ | maybe I should start with a simple check to see if it's enough |
| 09:46.33 | anoHito | how do i check the current routing settings in my debian ? |
| 09:46.40 | huangfei | will Debian automatically generate a service script under /etc/init.d after installing a service? |
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| 09:46.59 | xoz_ | huangfei: yep |
| 09:47.20 | xoz_ | huangfei: usually a posinst script |
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| 09:47.37 | huangfei | xoz_: I just installed tightvnc, and expect a script there, but nothing |
| 09:47.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, oh, damn - well, have a look at http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard when it's back - and try to guess when an xkcd featuring a dvorak appeared :) |
| 09:47.55 | huangfei | xoz_: I have to manually run vncserver :1 or the like |
| 09:48.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | anoHito, /sbin/route -n |
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| 09:48.31 | huangfei | xoz_: but where is postinst? |
| 09:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | huangfei, but depends on the service if it is also automatically started on boot - some need to be configured first |
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| 09:49.41 | JyZyXEL | i think the lenny release notes upgrade section is wrong about NIC names changing |
| 09:49.58 | jelly | huangfei: that's probably because there is no sensible default configuration, or there's a different way to bring up the service |
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| 09:50.02 | huangfei | CutMeOwnThroat: tks, but how can I config without the script? |
| 09:50.09 | JyZyXEL | udev assigns the NIC names based on their HW-addresses even in etch |
| 09:50.18 | anoHito | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
| 09:50.20 | xoz_ | huangfei: it depends how it is packaged. try dpkg -L <package> to check if it places files in /etc/init.d |
| 09:50.21 | jelly | huangfei: reading the docs in /usr/share/doc/tightvncserver/ might provide clues |
| 09:50.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | huangfei, did you read /usr/share/doc/tightvncserver/README.inetd? |
| 09:50.30 | JyZyXEL | its the same both in etch and lenny /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 09:51.04 | huangfei | CutMeOwnThroat: no I'm afraid. |
| 09:51.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | xoz_, it doesn't... but the name of that README suggests... now what... |
| 09:51.18 | jelly | JyZyXEL: um, lenny has /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 09:51.24 | JyZyXEL | ;o |
| 09:51.59 | jelly | JyZyXEL: (that's an initial install of lenny) |
| 09:52.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | huangfei, well, I'd read it to you, but I haven't got the package installed |
| 09:52.49 | xoz_ | README.inetd |
| 09:53.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that! |
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| 09:53.42 | huangfei | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm reading it, tks |
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| 09:53.48 | xoz_ | CutMeOwnThroat: what is your problem? |
| 09:54.00 | xoz_ | you need to see a insecure psych |
| 09:54.05 | JyZyXEL | jelly so couldn't you basicly just use the old z25 one? :p |
| 09:54.26 | jelly | xoz_: what do you expect from someone cutting his own throat |
| 09:54.33 | xoz_ | jelly: haha |
| 09:54.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | xoz_, my problem would be offtopic, why do you ask? |
| 09:54.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, blood? |
| 09:54.59 | Kazuha | I've got a weird problem, sometimes when the keyboard mouse is engaged, it will half-start, and give both the "start" and "stop" beeps at the same time. This interferes with my use of the numpad. |
| 09:55.02 | xoz_ | gives blood to CutMeOwnThroat |
| 09:55.22 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: that would actually be a good ingredient for the sausages. |
| 09:55.53 | xoz_ | keyboard mouse? how does it look like. a mouse with keyboard? |
| 09:56.18 | Kazuha | No, it uses the numpad in place of a mouse. |
| 09:56.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, and spoil all the valuable sawdust?! |
| 09:56.21 | xoz_ | ah |
| 09:56.21 | mhymn | is there any group for dbus to add a user to? the program runs okay in root but outputs some error about dbus in normal user environment |
| 09:56.32 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: s/spoil/bind/ |
| 09:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | bind9? |
| 09:56.54 | jelly | eww |
| 09:57.26 | jelly | belongs to the djbdns religion |
| 09:57.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me enlighten you |
| 09:57.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.google.com/search?q=number+of+horns+on+a+unicorn+acre+in+tea+spoons+per+light+year |
| 09:58.12 | Kazuha | I want to get the acting up program to stop -- but I don't know its name, and killing every process one-by-one is a pain in the arse. (Although I could fix it by a ctrl-alt-backspace.) |
| 09:58.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, damnit, forgot to include the "answer to life, the universe and everything" in that one |
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| 09:58.54 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: so is avogadro a person, a very large number, or a weird fruit? |
| 09:59.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me ask my kiwi |
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| 09:59.58 | Kazuha | I'm guessing no one knows the cause of this annoyance, or a cureL |
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| 10:00.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | honestly, I'm not sure I understand the question |
| 10:00.25 | xoz_ | Kazuha: try ps axf and see the tree of life |
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| 10:01.12 | jelly | Kazuha: since that is a purely xorg feature, you might have more luck asking in #xorg (be sure to provide them your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, /etc/X11/xorg.conf and possibly xorg versions) |
| 10:01.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, well, avogadro is a person while... http://www.google.com/search?q=avogadro+constant |
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| 10:02.00 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: your 10**24 teaspoons reminded me of it |
| 10:02.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | google just told me what avogadro constant divided by answer to life, the universe and everything |
| 10:02.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | is |
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| 10:02.54 | jelly | ... about 3.50? |
| 10:03.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1.4E22 per mol |
| 10:03.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm sure there's some very deep meaning in that somewhere |
| 10:04.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems we successfully off-topiced the channel |
| 10:04.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | time for bed :) |
| 10:04.09 | tdn | After upgrading to Lenny, I am observing that amavisd is segfaulting regularly. Have anyone of you also noticed this? My setup is basically the same as before the upgrade (Etch). |
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| 10:05.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bts |
| 10:05.08 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges>. |
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| 10:05.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | tdn, ^^^ |
| 10:06.05 | Kazuha | I can't seem to find it -- I suppose there's always ctrl-alt-bs. |
| 10:06.28 | tdn | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, I just wanted to know if anyone else is having this problem before I report it as a bug. |
| 10:07.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | tdn, if someone has, he's reported it there (hopefully) |
| 10:08.54 | RichiH | is anyone aware of a script that will emulate traceroute/mtr? installing new binaries is not an option on the system i need to trace from |
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| 10:09.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | then trace TO it |
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| 10:09.53 | Maior | RichiH: define "installing" and how it's "not an option"? |
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| 10:11.38 | superlinux | hi all |
| 10:11.46 | RichiH | Maior: installing a package or building from source. not an option as in 'it is not an option in this case' |
| 10:12.23 | superlinux | i think have a bad scsi disk in my cage. my system keeps crashing after like 2 days or so. |
| 10:12.49 | Maior | I mean "why is it not an option", or "what makes that not an option but a traceroute script is"? |
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| 10:13.39 | superlinux | i think have a bad scsi disk in my cage. my system keeps crashing after like 2 days or so. the disk is one of RAID0 array in a scsi cage. therefore, how can i find which of the disks is bad? |
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| 10:13.43 | anoHito | Mem: 3113520k total, 2975728k used, 137792k free, 52k buffers |
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| 10:13.59 | anoHito | how come ??!!! i just found one of the 1GIG ram has gong ? |
| 10:14.01 | anoHito | gone |
| 10:14.06 | anoHito | i had 4GB |
| 10:14.11 | anoHito | so weird |
| 10:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I stealed it! |
| 10:14.22 | anoHito | 4GB RAM that is 4X1GB |
| 10:14.42 | anoHito | gees,i will call them to open the case to check if thoes 4 ram dimm slot are all installed |
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| 10:15.14 | superlinux | guys. has any one a solution to my case? |
| 10:15.23 | suzu | hi |
| 10:15.49 | mrec | Hi, does anyone know what the + flag means with those device nodes: |
| 10:15.50 | mrec | crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 14, 12 2009-03-20 15:52 adsp |
| 10:15.50 | mrec | crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 14, 3 2009-03-20 15:52 dsp |
| 10:15.52 | mrec | ? |
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| 10:17.15 | jelly | mrec: /msg dpkg ACL |
| 10:17.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | superlinux, /var/log/messages? also... smartmontools? |
| 10:17.35 | superlinux | ok. i'll see. |
| 10:17.48 | jelly | mrec: getfacl to show the ACLs |
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| 10:19.03 | superlinux | CutMeOwnThroat, i'll see about it later |
| 10:19.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh yeah and sdparm |
| 10:20.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | and of course it must be a software raid, because else, "you would of said" |
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| 10:20.25 | mrec | jelly: thanks! |
| 10:20.54 | maxagaz | can i create a ssh public key for user www-data ? |
| 10:20.55 | superlinux | CutMeOwnThroat, i have a true hardware raid |
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| 10:21.26 | superlinux | i have an adaptec smart raid |
| 10:21.26 | maxagaz | if yes, where should it be ? |
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| 10:22.17 | ghang | where is the apt-get downloaded deb store ? in what folder ??? |
| 10:22.44 | jelly | mrec: (package is named "acl") |
| 10:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | maxagaz, in ~www-data/.ssh/ :) doesn't help if the user doesn't have a shell, though |
| 10:22.51 | hellraiser-2k | hello i'm not able to get the srollingfeature of my thinkpad to work under lenny and hal - i editet the hal/fdi/polici file and so on - lshal tells me that the settings were set but there is still the past operation on the middel button - does somebody know how to fix that? |
| 10:23.03 | streuner_ | ghang: /var/log/apt/archvies/ |
| 10:23.12 | ghang | thankyou streuner :D |
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| 10:23.31 | mrec | jelly: yes I found it I just never recognized that flag before for some reason |
| 10:23.48 | ghang | streuner_ there is no archvies folder |
| 10:23.49 | maxagaz | CutMeOwnThroat, /var/www should be it's home dir |
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| 10:24.14 | streuner_ | ghang: amset:/var/cache/apt/archives# |
| 10:24.21 | ghang | o |
| 10:24.22 | ghang | thanks |
| 10:24.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | superlinux, *sigh* "apt-cache search scsi raid status"? |
| 10:24.45 | superlinux | ok |
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| 10:25.17 | superlinux | CutMeOwnThroat, you only give me the tools. i'll deal w the rest. |
| 10:25.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | maxagaz, yeah... great aint it? and you're on the way to giving everyone the secret key if you're not careful |
| 10:25.35 | superlinux | i dont have that internet time |
| 10:25.54 | maxagaz | CutMeOwnThroat, :) |
| 10:25.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I just did? |
| 10:25.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably |
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| 10:26.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've never heard of the tool, tho |
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| 10:27.59 | superlinux | CutMeOwnThroat, any other swiss knives i should use? |
| 10:28.13 | acemi | maxagaz: why do you want to create ssh key for www-data? |
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| 10:28.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | how should I know |
| 10:28.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've not even ever heard of mpt-status, as I just said |
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| 10:29.35 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:29.42 | superlinux | thanks anyways |
| 10:30.03 | superlinux | i think i must use the dpt-raid* |
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| 10:30.07 | superlinux | salam |
| 10:30.09 | superlinux | bye |
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| 10:32.41 | anoHito | in debian, how do i check if the ram dimm is installed or no ? |
| 10:32.58 | anoHito | via ssh |
| 10:33.01 | sk4 | lshw |
| 10:33.16 | anoHito | -bash: lshw: command not found |
| 10:33.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installit |
| 10:33.30 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 10:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, /msg dpkg what is my hardware |
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| 10:37.28 | sk4 | also see dmesg |
| 10:37.35 | anoHito | sk4, CutMeOwnThroat ,thanks |
| 10:37.42 | anoHito | it says bank 1 : empty |
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| 10:38.01 | anoHito | or maybe it is the touch problem |
| 10:40.40 | enouf | !tell anoHito -about myram |
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| 10:43.01 | anoHito | enouf, thanks,it says none in dimm 2 |
| 10:43.11 | anoHito | in lshw,it says bank 1 : empty |
| 10:43.14 | anoHito | :( |
| 10:43.33 | anoHito | it is intell s3000ah, i dont know which dimm slot it is. |
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| 10:45.33 | enouf | anoHito: why does that matter? dmidecode et al can tell you |
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| 10:46.01 | enouf | anoHito: what is your goal? |
| 10:46.31 | mr_daniel | there are many instruction sets out there: x86, arm, sparc, ... |
| 10:46.42 | mr_daniel | and we have debian with its .deb format for packages |
| 10:47.18 | anoHito | enouf, i had 4G ram,now it reports 3G |
| 10:47.29 | medecau | /debian/pool/ hosts packages right? |
| 10:47.31 | mr_daniel | does a .deb package can be installed on EVERY computer, also with DIFFERENT instruction sets, or do I have to build a .deb file for a x86, then a .deb for a ARM computer, etc ... |
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| 10:47.42 | mr_daniel | or does ONE .deb can be 'deployed' on EVERY computer? |
| 10:47.42 | anoHito | enouf, i want to make sure in which ram dimm there is a problem, either its been stolen or it is hardware problem |
| 10:47.43 | enouf | anoHito: what is "it" that's reporting? |
| 10:47.56 | enouf | anoHito: stolen? |
| 10:48.24 | enouf | anoHito: learn about how 32bit is related to 4GiB |
| 10:48.30 | anoHito | enouf, i am not sure,but the report says there is none in dimm2 |
| 10:48.45 | enouf | anoHito: your BIOS can tell you |
| 10:49.09 | anoHito | enouf, i am using bigram kernel, i had no problem with it reports the totaly ram as 4xxxxxx |
| 10:49.14 | enouf | anoHito: enter your BIOS setup .. don't even bother booting fully into any OS until you sort it |
| 10:49.25 | anoHito | now it is only 311xxxx |
| 10:49.40 | enouf | anoHito: if it's a hardware issue - /msg dpkg memtest86+ |
| 10:50.00 | enouf | anoHito: you booted into wrong kernel? or one DIMM went belly up |
| 10:50.29 | anoHito | i only use bigram kernel |
| 10:50.50 | anoHito | Mem: 3113520k total, 2998812k used, 114708k free, 160k buffers |
| 10:50.55 | enouf | anoHito: it's -bigmem, but let's see - show us cat /proc/version |
| 10:50.59 | anoHito | this obviously means a 3GB ram |
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| 10:51.21 | enouf | anoHito: you're not even attempting to listen to me .. have a nice day |
| 10:51.26 | anoHito | Linux version 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem (Debian 2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Fri Dec 26 04:53:15 UTC 2008 |
| 10:52.08 | enouf | anoHito: all the info i gave you still applies ... go .. do.. fix |
| 10:52.45 | anoHito | okay |
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| 10:53.20 | enouf | anoHito: it's possible your BIOS also lost it's memory hole i/o remap settings .. that's my last worst guess |
| 10:53.42 | anoHito | hmm |
| 10:53.48 | Sazpaimon | so i guess i should ask again because ecatel hasn't replied to my ticket yes |
| 10:53.49 | anoHito | enouf, thank you for the reminding |
| 10:53.54 | Sazpaimon | *yet |
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| 10:54.06 | Sazpaimon | http://pastebin.ca/1384584 I just ran this, and rebooted, and now my server isn't responding |
| 10:54.51 | Sazpaimon | server is a dual core xeon, previously running 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem. what would cause it to not boot up so I can look into it should ecatel ever get off their ass and boot back into the old kernel |
| 10:55.29 | enouf | anoHito: many BIOSes also offer you to enable POST messages, and disabling of Fast/Quick boot, which will/should show you all RAM being checked upon startup/boot |
| 10:55.58 | anoHito | yeah but i have set passwd protection on bios |
| 10:55.59 | Sazpaimon | only other activity was a second (empty, unpartitioned) hard drive was installed |
| 10:56.08 | anoHito | well anyway,i will call the datacentre, thanks enouf |
| 10:56.13 | enouf | so unset it - or enter the password |
| 10:56.17 | enouf | how is that an issue? |
| 10:56.23 | enouf | ok |
| 10:57.39 | enouf | mr_daniel: i think you can create all ARCHes .deb with proper debian source |
| 10:57.42 | enouf | all at one time |
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| 10:58.13 | enouf | mr_daniel: but yes, each ARCH will have their own specific .debs in binary and versions and names |
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| 10:59.14 | enouf | mr_daniel: /msg dpkg nmg , /msg dpkg package basics (i suppose) |
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| 11:01.23 | braunkraut | good morning |
| 11:01.49 | braunkraut | silly question, youtube broken for anybody else? Getting a javascript/flash player warning |
| 11:02.02 | braunkraut | had no such problems yesterday. |
| 11:03.14 | enouf | braunkraut: i'm having trouble accessing gmail - fwiw |
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| 11:03.34 | enouf | oops, i take that back ;-) seems Konqout just sucks such huge ass |
| 11:03.43 | braunkraut | no problems here. just youtube mysteriously stopping to work, |
| 11:03.51 | JyZyXEL | mutt is pure win |
| 11:05.10 | fasta | I have a Gnome starter, which is pointed at a shell script I wrote, but when I press the button to launch it, the script is not being executed. When I run it in the bash shell it does work. I have set the "terminal application" option in the starter configuration. |
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| 11:06.15 | enouf | fasta: maybe look at System > Preferences > sessions (?) |
| 11:07.04 | fasta | enouf: by 'starter' I mean one of those icons that are at the top. In a default installation, I believe there is a terminal icon for example. |
| 11:07.06 | enouf | fasta: somewhere in there is where the general gnome-session startup scripts should go (or be listed) or whatever - i don't use gnome though |
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| 11:07.46 | fasta | enouf: so, I am not talking about applications that should start when Gnome starts. |
| 11:07.53 | enouf | fasta: i use a GUI many times, but the idea of a Desktop with icons makes me puke - sorry |
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| 11:08.52 | fasta | enouf: I accept it, because lots of applications are broken when used with anything else. Case in point, xmonad. |
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| 11:10.15 | enouf | fasta: i can only say see if /msg dpkg gnome can point you to some more specific help - maybe even try ##linux |
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| 11:10.38 | ruffel | mr_daniel: have a look at http://packages.debian.org/lenny/bittorrent it's one .deb that installs on EVERY computer |
| 11:11.07 | fasta | enouf: Gnome is crazy. I just added a new starter with the exact same configuration and then it worked. |
| 11:11.21 | enouf | mr_daniel: yes, ruffel corrected me, there are .debs made for ALL arches - i forgot about that - sorry |
| 11:11.32 | fasta | enouf: that's one argument against "complicated" software; it breaks with complexity. |
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| 11:11.41 | enouf | fasta: indeed |
| 11:12.11 | enouf | fasta: the concept of a DE (all in one everything) is crazy to me :-) |
| 11:13.18 | fasta | enouf: an integrated system where every component speaks the same binary structured protocol would be faster than reparsing everything like in the Unix way. |
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| 11:16.57 | mr_daniel | this is great |
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| 11:18.53 | snoop0x7b | hey, I was having an issue with apt-get hanging on removing linux-sound-base and I was wondering if there was a way to make it stop trying to remove it so I can continue to use apt-get to install things? |
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| 11:19.40 | enouf | snoop0x7b: try "aptitude why linux-sound-base" perhaps |
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| 11:19.57 | enouf | snoop0x7b: also "apt-get install -f" |
| 11:20.09 | enouf | man apt-get |
| 11:20.23 | liable | did someone mention beer? |
| 11:20.31 | liable | doh |
| 11:20.42 | enouf | liable: thanks for reminding me ;-) |
| 11:21.01 | liable | enouf: i'm sure you dont need reminding :P |
| 11:22.03 | enouf | heh |
| 11:22.05 | p0g0_ | liable: oops? |
| 11:22.20 | snoop0x7b | enouf: with the install -f option it goes back to attempting to do the remove, which it always hangs while doing |
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| 11:22.25 | Boohbah | liable: yes, debian is free as in beer |
| 11:22.49 | liable | phew, ok, thanks! |
| 11:22.50 | enouf | snoop0x7b: hangs? no error? |
| 11:23.16 | snoop0x7b | and with aptitude why I get unknown command |
| 11:23.18 | enouf | snoop0x7b: it's attempting to fix broken pkgs .. try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
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| 11:24.14 | enouf | hrm .. i don't use aptitude .. i thought that should spit back some info .. but maybe it would require you had been using aptitude already .. |
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| 11:32.11 | a-s` | I did a program of transcoding. Could I send it to Debian? |
| 11:32.23 | a-s` | What are the conditions to be installed in debian? |
| 11:33.33 | snoop0x7b | enouf: here's what I figured out, it was half installed by one of the other "people" that uses this system, and then this guy tried to remove it |
| 11:33.47 | snoop0x7b | I was able to manually remove it by editting /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 11:33.50 | snoop0x7b | thank you for the suggestions |
| 11:34.40 | abrotman | !m |
| 11:34.40 | dpkg | i heard m is (lower case) a metric thousandth or (upper case) a metric million or (greek) a metric millionth, or compile as a module in a kernel configuration. And also James Bond's boss. MUMPS, A programming language with extensive tools for the support of database management systems. |
| 11:34.43 | abrotman | bah |
| 11:34.44 | abrotman | !mg |
| 11:34.44 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 11:34.49 | enouf | snoop0x7b: well if it really came down to it, i was going to say to modify or mv the .postrm script |
| 11:35.03 | enouf | welcome though |
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| 11:35.37 | snoop0x7b | but yeah someone is going to get slapped around |
| 11:35.42 | snoop0x7b | when I encounter that person |
| 11:35.58 | enouf | sure .. also run apt-get update once you check all related settings |
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| 11:37.45 | Gatonegro | Hello all. My situation is the following: I have a computer with Ubuntu-i386 installed and I would like to replicate the list of installed software as closely as possible in a newly installed debian-ppc machine. What do you think is the better approach? |
| 11:37.56 | scuser | hi all, does anyone know how to install automake-1.6 ? |
| 11:38.44 | EmleyMoor | scuser: Why do you need 1.6? |
| 11:38.47 | enouf | scuser: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 11:39.30 | EmleyMoor | 1.4, 1.7, 1.9 and 1.10 are in lenny |
| 11:39.31 | enouf | scuser: then also, if you want/need; update-alternatives --config automake |
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| 11:39.57 | enouf | judd: versions automake |
| 11:39.58 | judd | enouf: automake -- etch: 1:1.10+nogfdl-1 lenny: 1:1.10.1-3 sid: 1:1.10.1-3 squeeze: 1:1.10.1-3 |
| 11:42.54 | Maior | judd: versions automake1.4 |
| 11:42.54 | judd | Maior: automake1.4 -- etch: 1:1.4-p6-12 lenny: 1:1.4-p6-13 sid: 1:1.4-p6-13 squeeze: 1:1.4-p6-13 |
| 11:43.23 | Maior | cute, a packaged 1.4, 1.7, 1.9 and implicit 1.10, but no 1.6 |
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| 11:44.17 | enouf | judd: versions automake --release etch-backports |
| 11:44.18 | judd | enouf: automake -- |
| 11:44.25 | enouf | er ... |
| 11:44.37 | snoop0x7b | yep all seems to be well |
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| 11:44.55 | Gatonegro | In reply to myself -- I think I found the solution here: http://mediakev.dk/~cc/howto-duplicate-a-debian-setup/ |
| 11:46.40 | telmich | narf, it seems current debian kernels do not have support for 82576 Gigabit ET Dual Port Server Adapter (igb module) |
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| 11:49.48 | scuser | EmleyMoor: I'm trying to compile a source code which asks for automake-1.6 |
| 11:49.54 | ruffel | a-s`: work under unstable. start by creating a debian source package that builds a working binary package in the way described in section 7.14 of http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ |
| 11:50.11 | ruffel | a-s`: not sure if and how you'll find a person who will upload it to unstable |
| 11:50.26 | scuser | EmleyMoor: I tried to make a symlink to automake-1.7 but the code didn't compile |
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| 11:50.36 | karma | hey |
| 11:50.49 | karma | are there newer nvidia driver than 173.14.09-5 |
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| 11:52.50 | a-s` | ruffel: thanks. I do not know the process of installing in debian |
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| 11:53.23 | abrotman | !rfp |
| 11:53.24 | dpkg | i guess rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
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| 11:55.24 | enouf | scuser: the error doesn't say >=automake-1.6 ? |
| 11:55.34 | ruffel | a-s`: "installing in debian"? does that mean having it available on your own computer, or having it show up on packages.debian.org ? |
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| 11:56.41 | a-s` | to be found with `apt-cache --search PACK` |
| 11:56.45 | osfd | Hi. I backed up my files and forced a check on my data partition. That was going pretty well till it told me to check '/var/log/fsck/checkfs' that can be seen here: http://pastebin.com/d547cbe4c is it serious doctor ? |
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| 11:57.46 | scuser | enouf: it says missing automake-1.6 |
| 11:57.47 | a-s` | osfd: RUN fsck MANUALLY. (i.e., without -a or -p options) |
| 11:57.51 | NeonLicht | hello |
| 11:58.25 | scuser | enouf: have a look http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/146174/ |
| 11:58.35 | osfd | a-s`: that was my guess...(<==pretty wise, isn't it..?) |
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| 11:59.22 | NeonLicht | I've changed my monitor and perform a 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg', but the reconfigure does not go to the monitor section (resolution, refresh rates, etc), therefore I cannot go to X. How can I force a full new Xorg configuration, please? |
| 11:59.23 | a-s` | i got that error lots of times. no problem for me |
| 11:59.35 | scuser | enouf: have a look http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/146176/ |
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| 12:00.29 | osfd | a-s`: to me ? |
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| 12:01.36 | abrotman | NeonLicht: it should auto detect it |
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| 12:01.56 | abrotman | scuser: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does that say ? |
| 12:02.27 | NeonLicht | abrotman, it does not |
| 12:02.43 | a-s` | i never had any problem when I got that error |
| 12:02.59 | abrotman | NeonLicht: you can try X -configure |
| 12:03.21 | NeonLicht | I've tried that already with no success, abrotman :( |
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| 12:03.43 | abrotman | NeonLicht: did you look in the Xorg.0.log for what the actual error is? |
| 12:04.12 | scuser | abrotman: ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:04.58 | abrotman | scuser: what is so old that it wants 1.6? |
| 12:05.36 | NeonLicht | sure, abrotman, but there aren't any errors on the log. The problem is that Xorg it is configured for my previous monitor, and dpkg-reconfigure does not go to the monitor configuration, it stops after the video adapter configuration |
| 12:05.40 | abrotman | scuser: it tells you how to recreate the aclocal stuff |
| 12:05.55 | abrotman | NeonLicht: are you on etch still ? |
| 12:06.03 | NeonLicht | abrotman, no, I'm on Lenny |
| 12:06.15 | abrotman | lenny shouldn't even ask which video card |
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| 12:06.52 | NeonLicht | abrotman, I know, it autodetects it fine, but it does not allow me to setup the monitor at all |
| 12:06.59 | enouf | scuser: as mentioned; i would likely regenerate the aclocal stuff properly to use an available version of automake .. |
| 12:07.01 | abrotman | it's not going to |
| 12:07.12 | abrotman | NeonLicht: so basically it starts, but it's out of range? |
| 12:07.49 | scuser | abrotman: but I have no experience with aclocal |
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| 12:07.57 | NeonLicht | yes, abrotman, it's out of range... CONTROL-ALT-+ changes and eventualy I get to a visible configuration, but with a virtual screen way larger than the real one, you know what I mean, right? |
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| 12:08.03 | enouf | scuser: or, you'll have to modify some code manually, or you'd need to find that automake version source, compile and install it, then present it to your build |
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| 12:08.33 | abrotman | NeonLicht: using X -configure should stop that |
| 12:08.48 | NeonLicht | abrotman, I never had such a weird behaviour of "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" before |
| 12:08.58 | NeonLicht | abrotman, X -configure does not seem to help :( |
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| 12:10.45 | Selveste1 | enouf: I tryed gparted today, and it did the job that we talked about yesterday :) thanx |
| 12:11.21 | enouf | welcome ;-) |
| 12:12.30 | abrotman | NeonLicht: it's been changed in lenny |
| 12:12.45 | abrotman | NeonLicht: what's in your xorg.conf now? |
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| 12:13.05 | lng | i've removed /etc/init.d/sandmail and reinstalled sendmail. /etc/init.d/sendmail has not been recreated. why? |
| 12:14.15 | abrotman | !tell lng about confmiss |
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| 12:14.48 | lng | which sendail return nothing |
| 12:15.05 | lng | plese help |
| 12:15.13 | lng | please* |
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| 12:15.35 | NeonLicht | abrotman, nothin anymore, I've purged xserver-xorg and removed /etc/X11/ all together |
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| 12:15.46 | abrotman | uh ok |
| 12:15.57 | osfd | how come I can't delete a file even though I'm root ? |
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| 12:16.11 | Xor1ng | lng: try apt-get purge sendmail and reinstall sendmail |
| 12:16.15 | petemc | osfd: it could be immutable, use lsattr |
| 12:16.20 | lng | Xor1ng: i did it |
| 12:16.30 | enouf | ACL? Selinux? what's the exact error osfd ? |
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| 12:16.37 | Xor1ng | lng: apt-get purge or apt-get remove? |
| 12:16.40 | NeonLicht | man, there should be a way to force dpkg-reconfigure to configure the monitor |
| 12:16.46 | enouf | that too - the -i option |
| 12:17.23 | enouf | NeonLicht: see if hwinfo --monitor gives useful info |
| 12:17.27 | parasew | anyone can help me with the packaging// maintainance idea behind debian-testing an rubygems? i am trying to install additional ruby gems on a debian testing machine, but actually the installed gem binaries seem to not really be adressable... |
| 12:17.33 | lng | Xor1ng: yes |
| 12:17.40 | osfd | petemc: http://pastebin.com/d21b3b676 for the dir I know but for files ??? |
| 12:18.06 | petemc | osfd: you need rm -r for dirs |
| 12:18.24 | frankS2 | cant i su - USER and type screen -r ? i get error can not open /Dev/pts/4 |
| 12:18.36 | petemc | osfd: for the files, check with lsattr |
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| 12:18.43 | lng | Xor1ng: i did both |
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| 12:18.47 | petemc | frankS2: you need to chown the ttys first |
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| 12:18.55 | osfd | petemc: yes, I knew for dirs... |
| 12:18.57 | enouf | osfd: also, the operation not permitted might be . and .. |
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| 12:19.09 | NeonLicht | enouf, it tells me: oops: don't know what to do with "-monitor" |
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| 12:19.22 | osfd | enouf: even though I try only on files, that does not work better |
| 12:19.29 | enouf | NeonLicht: add another hyphen to the option |
| 12:19.49 | frankS2 | petemc: who should own them? the user i try to su - user screne -r too? |
| 12:19.53 | enouf | osfd: ok, 1st cd out of the dir .. then also use chattr if needed |
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| 12:20.26 | petemc | frankS2: a messy workaround is chown user `tty` before you su, but you can set screen up for multiuser |
| 12:20.31 | enouf | osfd: lost+found is weird, maybe some stuck/open file handles? |
| 12:20.52 | enouf | osfd: or .. your FS is corrupt and needs a good fscking |
| 12:20.53 | NeonLicht | enouf, I put 2 hyphens, of course, as you asked me to do |
| 12:20.56 | osfd | petemc: http://pastebin.com/d4b61a835 |
| 12:21.15 | osfd | enouf: ths fsck is 15 minutes old |
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| 12:21.34 | enouf | hwinfo |
| 12:21.39 | enouf | !hwinfo |
| 12:21.39 | dpkg | well, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 12:22.02 | lng | Xor1ng: no ideas? |
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| 12:22.17 | NeonLicht | ok, I know get EE Error compiling keymap (server-0) |
| 12:22.23 | enouf | also, try 'man cvt' (to get mode lines) .. but for your monitor read the manufacturer's specs |
| 12:22.25 | NeonLicht | that's, at least, an error :-) |
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| 12:23.19 | revil | hi there! When is KDE4 to be ported to lenny? Is it ever going to be? |
| 12:23.54 | frankS2 | petemc: thank you so much mate ,got it working now |
| 12:23.56 | osfd | revil: I hope not...or at least with install that can get along with kde3 |
| 12:24.05 | enouf | osfd: is that an ntfs or vfat FStype? for atleast ntfs, you need to run chkdsk from MS to really do a fsck - the tools in linux , IINM, only mark the FS dirty .. it doesn't actual fix errors, etc |
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| 12:24.25 | revil | osfd :) |
| 12:24.34 | osfd | enouf: this is an ext3 |
| 12:25.07 | osfd | enouf: no MS on my computer |
| 12:27.01 | sinelaw | Hey, how can I found out where a package was downloaded from? |
| 12:27.09 | enouf | osfd: well, those perms are funky on those files, and if they are root:root then i can see some possible issues, use chown if not root, and chmod if root owned |
| 12:27.22 | enouf | !list repositories |
| 12:27.22 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
| 12:27.38 | enouf | needs to go ... see yas |
| 12:27.45 | sinelaw | thanks |
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| 12:28.56 | jayeola | hey chaps. make clean juust gets rid of the .o files, right? |
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| 12:29.24 | abrotman | depends on the make file |
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| 12:30.00 | jayeola | ah. so what should i loook for in order to prevent the last 45 mins of my life from being wasted? |
| 12:30.24 | osfd | !lost+found |
| 12:30.25 | dpkg | lost+found is, like, created by the mklost+found program, or where recovered information goes after repairing a disk (bits of files usually) |
| 12:30.25 | sinelaw | ok, another question |
| 12:30.36 | sinelaw | wait, no. |
| 12:30.38 | abrotman | jayeola: that's a bit vague .. no idea what oyu're actually doing |
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| 12:31.20 | jayeola | fuggit - taking a risk |
| 12:31.43 | jelly | introduces jayeola to the concept of backup copies |
| 12:32.00 | jayeola | it's all under git ;-) |
| 12:32.18 | sinelaw | Where can I see a list of apt-source lines for each version? |
| 12:32.20 | ranix | make clean's action depends on your makefile |
| 12:32.24 | sinelaw | (specifically, src packages for sid |
| 12:32.26 | ranix | read the makefile to find out what it does |
| 12:32.32 | ranix | make clean could very well compile a program |
| 12:32.42 | ranix | that would be stupid |
| 12:33.06 | jayeola | yeah, reading now but commiting the build and cloning to another box |
| 12:33.13 | abrotman | sinelaw: look in your sources on your machine ? |
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| 12:33.37 | sinelaw | abrotman, i'm using ubuntu but want to fetch some sid source packages |
| 12:33.45 | abrotman | sinelaw: man sources.list |
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| 12:34.49 | sinelaw | abrotman, ok, i know how to write a sources.list line but i need to know the location of the repository for src-deb for sid |
| 12:34.54 | sinelaw | deb-src |
| 12:35.07 | abrotman | sinelaw: debian.org/mirrors/list |
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| 12:41.19 | jayeola | yep, looks like just the object files, .o have been removed from the make clean ;-) |
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| 12:53.32 | frankS2 | Hi, how can i find my mac address for eth1? |
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| 12:53.56 | Ohan | hi there people |
| 12:53.59 | petemc | frankS2: ifconfig -a |
| 12:54.26 | Ohan | any of you could tell me if "LVS is the way to go" for load balancing/failover or if it's not recommended/deprecated... ? |
| 12:54.30 | frankS2 | petemc: HWaddr: 00-13-02-9A-4F-A2-00-20-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 ? |
| 12:54.49 | petemc | doesnt look quite right |
| 12:54.51 | frankS2 | petemc: it looks a bit too long |
| 12:54.54 | frankS2 | petemc: hehe yea |
| 12:55.15 | petemc | frankS2: what kind of nic is it? |
| 12:55.16 | frankS2 | petemc: and it should be " : " not " - " |
| 12:55.21 | frankS2 | petemc: iwl3945 |
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| 12:55.49 | petemc | frankS2: not seen that before im afraid |
| 12:56.04 | frankS2 | petemc: ok |
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| 12:59.13 | macman_ | sup all |
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| 12:59.36 | macman_ | i want to image a windows hd from the command line .. how would i do this |
| 12:59.40 | macman_ | dd ? |
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| 13:00.34 | stew | macman_: sure, dd or cp it to a file |
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| 13:07.28 | NeonLicht | ok, I've finally got the Xorg properly configured for the new monitor but, when I log into XDM, instead of the window manager, just a terminal shows up. How can I force XDM to read and use mi ~/.xsession (I have one and I have set up there a window manager which is, of course installed and I can run fine from the terminal I've mentioned) |
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| 13:09.18 | macman_ | stew- .. its probably better to dd indvidual directorys right ? |
| 13:09.27 | Boohbah | NeonLicht: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDM-Xterm/config.html |
| 13:09.38 | macman_ | or just dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/home/macman/desktop/windows.iso ? |
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| 13:12.00 | stew | macman_: sure or cp /dev/hda1 /home/macman/desktop/windows.img |
| 13:12.11 | stew | macman_: (its not actually an iso, its an ntfs or a fat32 image) |
| 13:12.46 | stew | cp will be faster unless you specify a larger than default blocksize to dd |
| 13:12.47 | macman_ | stew- ... the hd im going to put it on is ntfs .. its coming from a fat hd |
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| 13:12.58 | stew | that doesn't realliy matter |
| 13:13.22 | petemc | it wont be ntfs when you're finished |
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| 13:15.12 | Piet | has any of you been able to get network-manager-openvpn-gnome to actually setup a connection on lenny or squeeze? |
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| 13:15.34 | Piet | i just configered a connection, but there seems to be no way to start it, or i can't find it |
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| 13:18.08 | Piet | "does not work for me" also welcome |
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| 13:19.19 | stew | Piet: i used it successfully with lenny before lenny was relelsaed, but haven't tried again for a long time |
| 13:19.19 | liable | i noticed the package was available, and thought "i would be surprised if that works".. :) |
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| 13:19.40 | stew | it doesn't work for me becuase you can only be connected to 1 vpn at a time, and I'm often connected to multiple |
| 13:19.40 | macman_ | stew- i thought a .img file was a boot floppy image thing ? |
| 13:20.11 | stew | macman_: yes |
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| 13:21.17 | macman_ | stew- how do i extract this .img file to the new system im going to put it on ? |
| 13:21.30 | NeonLicht | Boohbah, thanks, I've read it and ~/.xsession doesn't seem to be mentioned there :-( |
| 13:22.06 | Piet | thanks stew and liable |
| 13:22.29 | Piet | stew, so do you remember how to actually start the connection once you've configured it? |
| 13:23.03 | Piet | liable: same thought i had :) |
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| 13:24.37 | liable | Piet: only reason i thought that, is because setting up an openvpn connection isnt quite as trivial as a network connection, so i was surprised to see that package, and would be even more surprised if it works ;) |
| 13:25.12 | liable | but its been over a year since i last tried it |
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| 13:26.45 | teratoma | ive never been able to get openvpn-gnome to work. just do it from command line |
| 13:27.02 | twobitsprite | what's the command to cause a beep on the pc speaker? |
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| 13:27.12 | liable | !beep |
| 13:27.13 | dpkg | [beep] echo -ne '\a'. A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port, or see <bell> |
| 13:27.23 | twobitsprite | hmm... not found |
| 13:27.31 | twobitsprite | bleh, nm |
| 13:27.38 | twobitsprite | I should read before trying |
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| 13:30.08 | jaunny | Hi, how i remove camera metadata in jpg files? |
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| 13:31.22 | dkr | jaunny: aptitude search exif |
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| 13:34.34 | stew | Piet: select it from the "vpn connections" in the bottom of the window you get when you click on the icon in the systray |
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| 13:36.44 | nse | Hello. Do I need something especial for using Skype on testing? |
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| 13:37.51 | jaunny | dkr, thanks it works, is there another programm? exif show 20 markers in jpg, i cant remove them all in one command? |
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| 13:38.30 | dkr | jaunny: I'm not familiar with any of those programs, I just knew that jpg metadata from cameras is called "exif" :) |
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| 13:39.41 | jaunny | dkr, thanks it is enought answer, i start searching |
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| 13:40.40 | hoxu | I wish people would actually stay around a few minutes when they ask a question |
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| 13:44.53 | dcestari | hello everybody |
| 13:46.19 | dcestari | anyone using openvpn here? |
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| 13:47.01 | abrotman | ask your real question |
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| 13:47.34 | liable | !irritate abrotman |
| 13:47.34 | dpkg | abrotman: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh edonkey kthx |
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| 13:48.12 | abrotman | liable: stop making explorer appear at login! |
| 13:48.20 | anoHito | enouf, CutMeOwnThroat thank you two very much |
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| 13:48.39 | anoHito | the lost 1GIG ram has just come back by just clean the ram |
| 13:48.43 | anoHito | :) |
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| 13:51.53 | Piet | so network-manager 0.7 looks nicer but doesn't seem to work either. :) |
| 13:52.21 | liable | @annoy bob2 |
| 13:52.33 | liable | ravenbird: wake up |
| 13:52.34 | ravenbird | liable: I'm already awake! :) |
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| 13:53.32 | liable | oh dpkg knows it, thought it was only ravenbird |
| 13:53.48 | liable | stops farting around with teh bots |
| 13:53.52 | Stargazers | Hi! Is there any good alternatives to gnome terminal (All what I need is setting font size, utf8 and tabs)? |
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| 13:54.40 | Stargazers | And what does NOT require ammost 70MB stuff to be installed... |
| 13:54.43 | Stargazers | On fluxbox |
| 13:55.00 | [kapal] | Stargazers: aterm, eterm? |
| 13:55.05 | liable | uxrvt iirc has tabs and unicode |
| 13:55.12 | Stargazers | Is there tabs? |
| 13:55.12 | maff | Hi. I'm running a server with Debian Etch as Xen Dom0. The server got 2 HDDs which are set up as RAID1 (md0 /boot, md1 / and md2 for LVM). Unfortunately, I regularly get errors on the md2 array which causes the disk to invalidate. This happened two times in the past half year, then I changed the second disc where these errors happened. Then this weekend it happened again and I can't figure out what the problem is. I regularly get spurious interrupts |
| 13:55.12 | maff | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:55.43 | [kapal] | Stargazers: dunno :) |
| 13:56.01 | Stargazers | AFAIK there is no tabs but I might be wrong |
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| 13:56.24 | [kapal] | Stargazers: i've used them long ago on fluxbox before i switched to gnome :) |
| 13:56.39 | Stargazers | Ok. :) |
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| 13:58.09 | liable | rxvt-unicode .. but it doesnt appear to do tabs.. there is one though i thought |
| 13:59.23 | [kapal] | Stargazers: Have a look at this: http://www.nongnu.org/materm/materm.html |
| 13:59.49 | Stargazers | Let me see |
| 14:00.13 | [kapal] | Stargazers: it has exact features you mentioned (not seeing utf though) |
| 14:00.37 | Stargazers | All right, have to look it |
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| 14:01.14 | karrotx | where is ulimit information stored? |
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| 14:01.51 | dcestari | anyone using openvpn? |
| 14:02.05 | dcestari | I think I have mtu problems, but don't know how to fix it |
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| 14:06.01 | linduxed | i got a usb-stick from a guy at work that we use for rescue procedures (its bootable). i need to copy/image the stick, but theres a feature it has i havent managed to reproduce the times i tried. |
| 14:06.01 | linduxed | when the usb stick is inserted at startup and i go into bios, the stick is shown as a harddrive, as in not listed as a USB device. apparently something has been done so its recognized as a ext-HDD. is there a way to copy the stick, preserving this functionality? |
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| 14:07.02 | onur | Hi. I have a question. Can i install debian installer (hd-media) boot image to my usb disk's logical or primary partition? |
| 14:07.06 | jelly | linduxed: just dd-ing the /dev/sd? usb device to (an image and then to) another one fails to work? |
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| 14:07.08 | hoxu | linduxed, when you copied the stuff, did you use dd on the device? |
| 14:07.34 | hoxu | linduxed, I'm not sure but what you describe sounds like the device itself identifying itself incorrectly... as a harddrive |
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| 14:09.21 | QuiLLo_29 | Anyone knows is a USB with a malware Autorun.inf can autorun when inserted on linux? |
| 14:09.44 | linduxed | hoxu: well thats the point |
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| 14:10.45 | linduxed | with that "incorrect" way of identifying, some old computers seem to play nicer at bootup with it |
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| 14:13.09 | hoxu | linduxed, I don't think you can change that device-specific behaviour |
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| 14:14.43 | linduxed | hoxu: well all i know is that ive plugged in the stick into a variety of computers and it always shows up as a drive in bios, and the guy said that it was configured like that intentionally |
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| 14:14.58 | Baneo | why is _everything_ dying when i close a terminal? |
| 14:15.23 | hoxu | Baneo, what do you mean with "everything"? Elaborate |
| 14:15.38 | Baneo | well for example, a ventrilo server |
| 14:15.40 | hoxu | linduxed, maybe you should ask the guy how he did it... and report back, I'd certainly be interested |
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| 14:15.47 | Baneo | i've tried & and so forth |
| 14:16.10 | hoxu | Baneo, oh, the jobs sent to background are sent signal when you close the terminal... HUP, it usually kills those processes |
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| 14:16.25 | hoxu | Baneo, either you run stuff in screen, or run them with "nohup", or "disown" a backgrounded (&) job |
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| 14:16.39 | Baneo | ok, ill try nohup - thanks |
| 14:16.46 | hoxu | Baneo, see "jobs" & "disown" commands in "man builtins" |
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| 14:16.56 | jelly | Baneo: that usually means your application doesn't really behave like a proper unix daemon |
| 14:17.39 | hoxu | Baneo, that's true too, most programs contain a daemon option that can be used to fork it off... the ones that don't, are usually meant to be run at foreground (eg. in screen) so that you can read their output |
| 14:17.59 | Baneo | yeah, this is definitely meant to be ran in the background |
| 14:18.02 | Stargazers | Well, installed roxterm, just a couple of depedencies :P |
| 14:18.09 | Stargazers | Works fine enough |
| 14:18.16 | jelly | judd: info daemon |
| 14:18.19 | judd | jelly: daemon (utils): is optional; Version: 0.6.3-1; Size: 97.4k; Installed: 300k -- turns other processes into daemons |
| 14:18.41 | jelly | Baneo: you might also try that one, though a simple nohup usually works. |
| 14:18.55 | frobnitz | What happened to acroread for unstable on debian-multimedia.org? |
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| 14:19.50 | linduxed | hoxu: sure will do |
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| 14:20.28 | streuner_ | frobnitz: what should happenend? |
| 14:20.47 | frobnitz | The main acroread package is gone. |
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| 14:21.51 | Speereet | Hello. I'm running sid, and I'd like to install xfce 4.6. APT complains, though, that xfconf is not installable. What is missing? Also, another problem: I'm running an all 32bit debian distribution on a Core 2 (64bit enabled) — when I login XMPP with pidgin, the application crashes, indicating an "illegal instruction". What should I look into? |
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| 14:22.16 | stew | Speereet: have you checked the bts? |
| 14:22.27 | Speereet | What is that? |
| 14:22.33 | stew | Speereet: the bug tracking system |
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| 14:22.57 | streuner_ | frobnitz: did you visit the website itself, arent there any news or such? |
| 14:22.59 | Speereet | Yes, I couldn't find anything related for pidgin — I might be using it wrong, for it's the first time I'm using it. |
| 14:23.20 | stew | Speereet: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 14:25.33 | frobnitz | streuner_: Yeah, checked the site, but no news. I can install from upstream for now, but I was curious... |
| 14:25.45 | Speereet | I also built pidgin, and it still crashes, but now with segfault. |
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| 14:26.08 | maligor | kde4 finally arrived in sid eh |
| 14:26.21 | Speereet | (I'm using pidgin, btw — it works as long as I don't try to login through XMPP.) |
| 14:26.43 | robin_sz | so, /etc/alternatives/editor is vim, I have vim installed, I do not have vi installed ... if I press v in 'less' pager, I get .. vi <grrrr> |
| 14:26.51 | streuner_ | frobnitz: just ask marillat then |
| 14:28.12 | streuner_ | frobnitz: the other packages are there, just not acoread itself... |
| 14:28.13 | dkr | robin_sz: so set your EDITOR env var |
| 14:28.41 | Baneo | jelly / hoxu - that's worked for ventrilo however it's not working for the gaming server |
| 14:29.28 | Speereet | Ah… I didn't upgrade libpurple. Maybe it's that. BRB. |
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| 14:30.29 | jelly | frobnitz: it's possible he just removed it because of a security issue, and will upload a newer one when it's ready |
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| 14:31.27 | robin_sz | i even linked /usr/bin/vi to /usr/bin/vim and still it somehow seem to come up with vi |
| 14:31.30 | CatJelly1 | hi all, I cant seam to get my ssh keys to swap can anyone help? |
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| 14:31.49 | Speereet | What is the correct procedure to upgrade from XFCE 4.4 to 4.6 in sid? And from xserver-xorg-core 1.4 to 1.5? |
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| 14:32.23 | streuner_ | judd versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 14:32.25 | judd | streuner_: xserver-xorg-core -- etch: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 etch-security: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 lenny: 2:1.4.2-10 sid: 2:1.4.2-11 squeeze: 2:1.4.2-11 experimental: 2:1.5.99.902-1 |
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| 14:34.39 | anddam | hello |
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| 14:37.25 | robin_sz | dkr: ok I'l try that |
| 14:37.25 | robin_sz | i thought it was dont through etc alternatives in some way .. but, im often worng |
| 14:37.45 | Thiago_Lima | hi... anyone see my error on apt-get update? Failed to exec method /usr/lib/apt/methods/ |
| 14:37.52 | Speereet | So, in order to update xserver-xorg-core, I should use the experimental release. However, I get conflicts, such as xserver-xorg-input-2 — what's the correct approach to resolve them? |
| 14:38.25 | Speereet | Is there any manual I should read in order to use a mostly experimental debian distribuition? |
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| 14:39.11 | ranix | Speereet: you probably want to run Testing and backport certain packages from Sid |
| 14:39.26 | ranix | I don't know of a guide |
| 14:39.38 | ranix | dpkg, tell Speereet -about backports |
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| 14:40.08 | ranix | I don't know an awful lot about it, defer to other channel-lurkers if they give you better information |
| 14:40.20 | anddam | how would I run a task in crontab every 5 minutes? |
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| 14:40.30 | anddam | I ended up using 12 lines with 0 5 10 15 20... |
| 14:40.38 | anddam | for minutes value |
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| 14:42.21 | Speereet | Thanks, ranix. By the way, do you know how to upgrade from XFCE 4.4 to 4.6? |
| 14:42.50 | jelly | Speereet: you don't, yet. |
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| 14:43.15 | jelly | !experimental |
| 14:43.15 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 14:44.31 | Speereet | jelly: Hmm, what if I really, really, really want to install XFCE 4.6 from the experimental branch? Do I have to specify, one by one, its dependencies in the installation command for that branch too? |
| 14:44.36 | Maior | anddam: */5 |
| 14:45.03 | Maior | anddam: man 5 crontab |
| 14:45.14 | anddam | Maior: actually I read the page |
| 14:45.38 | Maior | anddam: then you will have seen "For example, ‘‘0-23/2’’ can be used in the hours field to specify command execution every other hour" |
| 14:45.40 | anddam | Maior: and I missed that, thanks |
| 14:45.43 | Maior | ;) |
| 14:45.50 | jelly | anddam: FSVO read, then |
| 14:45.50 | Maior | enjoy |
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| 14:46.39 | anddam | FSVO=? |
| 14:46.50 | jelly | "for some value of" |
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| 14:47.03 | anddam | got it, I lanuched wtf-x |
| 14:47.04 | anddam | :-) |
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| 14:47.38 | jelly | anddam: but if you ever get a Solaris machine, your 0,5,10,15,20,... experience will be useful with its feature impaired cron! |
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| 14:52.55 | anddam | way more readable */5 |
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| 14:58.18 | pirx_ | hi! how do i skip certain subdirs (eg all .svn) when building a .deb with dpkg-deb --build? |
| 14:58.37 | anddam | in order to upgrade a program I'm just calling the "install" actions, am not I? |
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| 14:59.19 | Eulex | anddam, you'd be using apt-get install or aptitude install, yes, if that's what you mean |
| 14:59.34 | anddam | Eulex: I'm using aptitude |
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| 14:59.49 | stew | anddam: yes, install means "install or upgrade" |
| 14:59.58 | Eulex | so use aptitude install then |
| 15:00.01 | anddam | actually I've always used apt-get but I was told to go for aptitude instead |
| 15:00.15 | anddam | told *here*, I mean |
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| 15:08.27 | jafn | hi all |
| 15:08.34 | jelly | Gruelius: is it used as a swap partition? Have you forgottern to lvchange -a n /path/to/lv it first? |
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| 15:08.50 | jafn | how can I open a new url on the same tab on firefox on console |
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| 15:09.45 | Gruelius | jelly i was going to say that cmd didnt work |
| 15:09.49 | Gruelius | but it just did =\ |
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| 15:10.05 | dreamer | hi all, does anyone have any experience with lighttpd and setting it up with phpbb3? I'm having some trouble getting the webserver to output the pages |
| 15:10.10 | Gruelius | jelly: i dont like suprises :P |
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| 15:14.20 | P4C0 | hello, I have a running exim4, I need to set smtp_accept_max to 100, should I add this to update-exim4.conf.conf?? or how is the correct way to do it? |
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| 15:14.58 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 15:17.00 | Fox_1_ | people I have a problem with pptp connection. My ISP says that they don't close any protocol and/or port. But when I want to connect it write Modem hangup. Connection terminated. What I'm doing wrong? |
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| 15:18.32 | [kapal] | Fox_1_: What is your system version, kernel, modem name? |
| 15:19.06 | Fox_1_ | kernel: 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 15:19.17 | Fox_1_ | System: Debian testing |
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| 15:19.37 | Fox_1_ | what modem do you mean? |
| 15:19.45 | Fox_1_ | ah |
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| 15:19.56 | Fox_1_ | it's an VPN connection |
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| 15:21.41 | asarch | Hi guys, who is the mod of this channel? |
| 15:21.53 | stew | asarch: i'm one of them, feel free to PM me |
| 15:22.12 | asarch | Thank you very much stew |
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| 15:24.39 | dkr | nominates stew for Prime Minister |
| 15:25.38 | anddam | of Debianland? |
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| 15:28.31 | Gruelius | should i use ext4 or ext3 for partitions with lenny? |
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| 15:31.15 | nichos | hi all, im having problems with openconf. when i try to launch it i get this: http://rafb.net/p/mYcZBI47.html |
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| 15:32.10 | kim__ | I'm installing lenny on xen domu ... but I'm not sure where I ought to be installing my bootloader ... (I have installed all the files in an lvm partition, but I can't very well install the bootloader overtop of the one for Dom0) http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Xen |
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| 15:34.54 | nichos | has anyone else seen that problem? |
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| 15:40.48 | x4d | Just finished updating lenny 5.0 after a clean install, installed a couple of programs and configured some things... after booting I get a "starting NFS common: Failed!" message, it checks it a couple of times and then gives up and boots but it takes quite a while before it decides to give up. I don't remember installing NFS, I did a minimal install, no desktop environment etc... anyone have any suggestions to fix this? |
| 15:41.00 | hallowname | hrm. googleearth is impossible on debian squeeze or sid =[ |
| 15:41.09 | wsxws | hi there. ive got a webserver, where the system is on sda1, this partition is 40gig and i wanna reduce it to 10gig. is there a way to do it without the need of a totaly new installation ? |
| 15:41.28 | kim__ | x4d, try uninstall nfs? |
| 15:41.41 | kim__ | wsxws, depends, what filing system? |
| 15:41.57 | wsxws | ext3 |
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| 15:43.10 | x4d | kim__: I did aptitude remove nfs and it tells me no package nfs installed but that various other packages include nfs in their name |
| 15:43.15 | medecau | i am mirroring debian /pool |
| 15:43.25 | kim__ | wsxws, http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/resizing-ext3-partitions-with-parted |
| 15:43.26 | medecau | its allready over 50 GiB |
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| 15:43.35 | stew | medecau: it should get to a little over 350 |
| 15:43.36 | medecau | any idea when its going to stop? |
| 15:43.42 | kim__ | http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions |
| 15:43.45 | medecau | XD |
| 15:43.49 | medecau | really? |
| 15:43.50 | stew | yes |
| 15:44.03 | medecau | is stoping now |
| 15:44.09 | stew | medecau: err, 334: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
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| 15:45.00 | x4d | kim__: I suppose since it seems nfs-client and various other related packages are installed it's trying to start the service, where can I disable it |
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| 15:45.11 | medecau | but i did --exclude some files |
| 15:45.19 | medecau | *directories |
| 15:46.11 | J-_ | Is it a common thing to activate the swap when using squeeze? I don't think my system is using it. |
| 15:46.51 | J-_ | actually, I'm just going to reinstall Lenny. My computer's running too hot I think. |
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| 15:47.15 | J-_ | I'm thinking 50C is too hot. |
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| 15:47.46 | J-_ | In Ubuntu it'd run around 40C on idle, not doing anything |
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| 15:48.31 | stew | J-_: reinstalling is not likely to change anything |
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| 15:48.41 | stew | J-_: swap is recommended, even if you don't think you need it |
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| 15:48.45 | kim__ | J-_, possibly different fan settings? |
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| 15:49.00 | kim__ | 50 degrees celcius is not exceptionally hot |
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| 15:49.45 | kim__ | J-_, check which power-governer you are using. Ubuntu might have set it at ondemand, while debian might have it on performance |
| 15:50.02 | kim__ | J-_ cpufreq-info ? |
| 15:50.18 | kim__ | J-_, it's the first thing that springs to mind, anyway... other than the fact that it's now warmer outside too ;-) |
| 15:50.23 | x4d | one other question, since I plan on using fluxbox or other lightweight window managers what vnc server would you recomend? I would like it to be able to access the gdm login so that I can switch wm's, I could forward X and all but since I use virtualbox quite a lot to check browser compatabilities vnc is more practical. |
| 15:51.23 | anddam | how would I bind to two different address in thttpd conf file? |
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| 15:54.22 | wsxws | kim__ the howtoforgeone sounds good to me, did you ever try smething like this before ? |
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| 15:56.59 | kim__ | wsxws, I'll admit not really. I only ever grow partitions ;-) |
| 15:57.12 | J-_ | searching power governer shows gnome-power-manager and powermgmt-base installed. |
| 15:57.48 | kim__ | or if I need less space, I might make a 10Gb partition, copy over everything, and then delete the 50Gb partition. (there's a reason for keeping some free space around ;-) ) |
| 15:57.48 | leOn | dumb question ... how can i simulate the uid=,gid= mount options of ntfs for instance, with ext3 ? ... i'm already using the "user" option to allow regular users to mount/umount the volume ... but the contents are always owned by root |
| 15:58.08 | leOn | i see no reference to anything similar in the mount man page |
| 15:58.15 | kim__ | J-_, what does cpufreq-info tell you? |
| 15:59.06 | J-_ | kim__: Command not found, and searching in aptitude shows nothing |
| 15:59.13 | kim__ | dang, debian install needs to be watched.. I've been chatting here the whole time, and it had been hanging at 12% with a popularity-contest question |
| 15:59.26 | kim__ | J-_, well, that explains why your machine is running hot, I'll wager ;-) |
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| 15:59.54 | J-_ | kim__: What should I install to install that package? |
| 16:00.34 | kim__ | J-_, sudo apt-get install cpufrequtils |
| 16:00.42 | kim__ | then let's take a look |
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| 16:01.21 | kim__ | leOn, because ext3 actually has per file uid and gid? |
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| 16:01.32 | kim__ | leOn, you could just use chmod ? :-) |
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| 16:02.01 | Stargazers | Hi! Any ideas why I have no sund in flash videos, for eg. in youtube, but mpg123 is able to play sounds |
| 16:02.07 | J-_ | kim__: "no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU" on CPU 0 and CPU 1 |
| 16:02.08 | leOn | kim__: not an option .. i don't want to be going over every time the user sticks the usb disk on the machine and perform a chmod/chown |
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| 16:02.33 | kim__ | leOn, well, you could format the usb-stick fat32? |
| 16:02.33 | J-_ | weird |
| 16:02.47 | kim__ | leOn, I see where you're at |
| 16:02.57 | kim__ | J-_, so perhaps no cpufreq driver in the kernel? |
| 16:02.59 | leOn | kim__: also not an option .. the story is even longer |
| 16:03.09 | kim__ | leOn, shoot. <scratches head> |
| 16:03.23 | cahoot | who does own the files then? |
| 16:03.25 | Stargazers | Oh, now it started to work, wtf |
| 16:03.26 | Stargazers | :D |
| 16:03.53 | kim__ | leOn, how about the user option? |
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| 16:04.11 | leOn | the user option only allows a regular user to mount/umount |
| 16:04.19 | kim__ | leOn, the users option in fstab? |
| 16:04.24 | leOn | does nothing about perms/ownership |
| 16:04.25 | kim__ | it doesn't change ownership? |
| 16:04.27 | kim__ | drat |
| 16:04.37 | J-_ | kim__: I don't know... It's kinda scaring me though. Ubuntu ran more than perfect. Not sure how they had that setup(and that's why I dislike it). Making it too easy for the user to have a kickass Linux distro. But, I guess once I figured out Debian, it'll be way better. |
| 16:05.05 | leOn | weird part is that i've even chowned the mount point to the user in question |
| 16:05.20 | J-_ | Maybe I should restart the system |
| 16:05.22 | J-_ | brb |
| 16:05.24 | leOn | but it will still enforve root as the owner |
| 16:05.33 | leOn | enforce, i mean |
| 16:05.52 | wsxws | kim__ in case og failing i had to reinstall the server which would be that big problem, but what would happen to my lvm-devices then ? will i loose all data in case of reinstalling the os ? |
| 16:05.59 | kim__ | leOn, maybe selinux can help you? |
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| 16:06.48 | kim__ | wsxws, to prevent that from happening, make sure your data is in a different partition from your os. (I typically have most data in /home. many people have it in /var ymmv) |
| 16:07.13 | leOn | kim__: guess i'll have to take a deep look into this |
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| 16:07.21 | leOn | thanks for your effort and time |
| 16:07.22 | leOn | =) |
| 16:07.37 | Sirus_ | debian good for older machines too? |
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| 16:08.52 | ZombieBoy | Sirus_: Without a GUI it is great. |
| 16:09.12 | J-_ | Restarted, now cpufreq-info works :D |
| 16:09.17 | wsxws | i have a huge lvm (made of sda and sdb1) but im not sure waht will appen to it if i had to reinstall the os |
| 16:09.29 | Sirus_ | is it difficult without a gui? |
| 16:09.49 | ZombieBoy | Sirus_: It is usually not; really depends on what you want the machine for. |
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| 16:10.06 | Sirus_ | for browsing the net,irc,and php dev |
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| 16:10.31 | ZombieBoy | Sirus_: Maybe, then, you will need a GUI. I recommend you use a light one. |
| 16:10.33 | J-_ | available cpufreq governors: userspace, ondemand, powersave, conservative, performance is what I have |
| 16:10.39 | ZombieBoy | Maybe xfce |
| 16:10.47 | kim__ | leOn, sorry I couldn't be more helpful |
| 16:10.58 | kim__ | Sirus_, very much so |
| 16:11.15 | kim__ | J-_, Yes, and that's why you're running hot |
| 16:11.22 | kim__ | J-_, cpufreq-set -g ondemand |
| 16:11.34 | kim__ | J-_, I'm no big debian expert, I'm sure there's someplace that can be set at boot-time |
| 16:12.12 | kim__ | J-_, 99.9% of the time, ondemand is what you want, and it's good for the environment too! ;-) The only downside is that the room will be colder... but hey, it's spring anyway :-P |
| 16:12.14 | ZombieBoy | J-_: You can always create your own start scripts. |
| 16:12.30 | ZombieBoy | Or look inside /etc/ there could be a conf file for cpufreq |
| 16:12.32 | kim__ | ZombieBoy, prolly overkill, I'm sure there's someplace |
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| 16:12.34 | flourish | hello, a question about network connection. When i want to use wireless, i ifconfig eth0 down, but after something the eth0 interface will automatically up and cause the network connection doesn't work |
| 16:12.49 | flourish | Linux debian 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 17:57:00 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:12.58 | kim__ | flourish, do you have dhcpd dhclient or pump? |
| 16:13.04 | J-_ | That brings me to my next question. :P I'm guessing I don't have to set that up each time I reboot? |
| 16:13.04 | kim__ | dhcpcd, sorry |
| 16:13.19 | kim__ | J-_, ask an actual debian expert. I just know linux ;-) |
| 16:13.49 | flourish | kim__: dhcp3-client and dhcp3-common |
| 16:13.52 | J-_ | kim__: Cool, thanks a lot for the help. I'm running at 43C now |
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| 16:14.20 | ZombieBoy | flourish: Check to see if you have the NetworkManager program running. |
| 16:14.23 | J-_ | I was running at a steady 50C and higher |
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| 16:14.42 | ZombieBoy | J-_: 50C is not too much for a laptop. |
| 16:14.56 | ZombieBoy | I'm running at constant 57C |
| 16:14.57 | wsxws | flokuehn or do the drivers for the networkadapter as modules, then u can simply mange them by rmmod and modprobe |
| 16:15.09 | flourish | ZombieBoy: howto? ps aux |grep -i network-manager ? |
| 16:15.24 | J-_ | ZombieBoy: that was just being idle too. Nothing intensive. Just irssi and gnome running. |
| 16:15.34 | ZombieBoy | ps aux | grep Network |
| 16:15.41 | cahoot | J-_: look at /etc/default/cpufrequtils |
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| 16:16.25 | J-_ | cahoot: No such file |
| 16:16.39 | flourish | usually i disable the network-manager and manually connect to the wireless ap, but yesterday find the problem so i now start the network-manager and use it |
| 16:16.44 | nichos | hi all, im having problems with openconf. when i try to launch it i get this: http://rafb.net/p/mYcZBI47.html |
| 16:16.46 | cjae | Hi I see that there is a livecd for kde 4.2 on debian is this an install disc too |
| 16:16.46 | cjae | Hi I see that there is a livecd for kde 4.2 on debian is this an install disc too! |
| 16:16.57 | ZombieBoy | find /etc -name \*\cpufreq* |
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| 16:17.08 | ZombieBoy | wait, find /etc -name \*cpufreq\* |
| 16:17.39 | cahoot | J-_: cpufrequtils is installed? |
| 16:17.47 | J-_ | cahoot: Yes |
| 16:17.48 | elik | Any comment on the stability of 2.6.29 kernel? There's a neat little fix in there for my wifi module... really eager to get it! |
| 16:17.49 | ZombieBoy | flourish: I recommend you using NetworkManager. |
| 16:18.16 | elik | I'm on amd64 |
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| 16:18.36 | flourish | ZombieBoy: yes, now i am using it. But seem the eth0 interface will automatically up even if i execute "ifconfig eth0 down" |
| 16:18.42 | jetscreamer | headers still borked on .29 ? |
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| 16:19.21 | ZombieBoy | flourish: I also have eht0 and wlan0 up at the same time. But I tell the routing table to use my wlan0 iface for everything. |
| 16:19.27 | ZombieBoy | Maybe that is a better solution. |
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| 16:19.41 | ZombieBoy | The thing is that NM uses ethernet cable as a priority. |
| 16:19.44 | stew | flourish: see /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian about when it will manage an interface |
| 16:19.46 | ZombieBoy | It assumes it's faster. |
| 16:20.01 | ZombieBoy | So if you have a cable connected it will go over your wireless. |
| 16:20.21 | flourish | ZombieBoy: i do not have a cable connection |
| 16:20.35 | ZombieBoy | flourish: Interesting. |
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| 16:20.58 | ZombieBoy | flourish: What is the output of /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 16:21.02 | jelly | flourish: ifconfig foo down does not clean up routes |
| 16:21.02 | flourish | ZombieBoy: :-) There is no such long cable here |
| 16:21.17 | cahoot | J-_: look at /usr/share/doc/cpufrequtils/examples then |
| 16:21.21 | flourish | jelly: it cleans the route |
| 16:21.26 | ZombieBoy | jelly: And the output of route -n ? |
| 16:21.37 | flourish | ZombieBoy: nothing right now |
| 16:21.42 | flourish | auto lo |
| 16:21.43 | flourish | iface lo inet loopback |
| 16:21.51 | StyXman__ | hi all. which of the dyndns.com client packages can update the ip using the public ip instead of the private ip? the server running the dyndns client is behind a d-link oruter with no dyndns support and when I try to use ez-ipupdate it set it to 10.0.10.xxx, which is the server's private ip. |
| 16:21.53 | flourish | just these two line |
| 16:21.58 | elik | jetscreamer, if i install 2.6.29, are my other kernel safe? Or there would be dependencies mess ups? I found that also: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html |
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| 16:22.15 | ZombieBoy | flourish: It seems to be a NM problem indeed. |
| 16:22.17 | jetscreamer | safe? yeah |
| 16:22.41 | beardy | StyXman__: Have a look at ddclinet. It can query a lot of differen devices for the outside address. |
| 16:22.45 | ZombieBoy | elik: You can have as many kernels installed as you want. |
| 16:22.48 | beardy | StyXman__: ddclient* |
| 16:22.53 | StyXman__ | beardy: ack |
| 16:22.57 | elik | jetscreamer, ok, so that will just add another entry in my sources and keep other kernel, modules and such |
| 16:23.01 | flourish | ZombieBoy: NM. horriable |
| 16:23.04 | J-_ | cahoot: loadcpufreq.sample and cpufrequtils.sample are there |
| 16:23.13 | jetscreamer | sources entry?? |
| 16:23.23 | elik | ZombieBoy, right, I have 2 atm, but I was just wondering if installing 2.6.29 could have side effects on already installed kernels |
| 16:23.28 | ZombieBoy | elik: You will not have any conflicts. But you will need to recompile any module you "sutom compiled". |
| 16:23.29 | elik | jetscreamer, err, menu.lst |
| 16:23.30 | jetscreamer | that is a diff kettle of fish, elik |
| 16:23.34 | jetscreamer | ahh ok |
| 16:23.48 | jetscreamer | elik: update-grub ? |
| 16:23.54 | ZombieBoy | flourish: NM is a good idea of a required program for linux, it just needs polishing. |
| 16:24.00 | elik | jetscreamer, bah, it does it by itself |
| 16:24.03 | cahoot | J-_: so edit cpufrequtils.sample to suit you and cp it as /etc/default/cpufrequtils |
| 16:24.07 | elik | jetscreamer, the auto part of menu.lst |
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| 16:24.14 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 16:24.36 | flourish | ZombieBoy: oh, i hate GUI for linux, ^_^ |
| 16:24.40 | elik | jetscreamer, the question was more, other entries (kernels) are left untouched, so I can always fall back |
| 16:24.51 | jetscreamer | yes they are |
| 16:25.09 | jetscreamer | the default moves (if you have savedefault defined) |
| 16:25.18 | flourish | thanks all |
| 16:25.30 | flourish | sleepy time :-) |
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| 16:25.46 | elik | jetscreamer, cool! Thx. I'll be able to give that new rtl8187 module a try. With a little luck, maybe my network won't be thrown off after 5-10 minutes of intesive use -_- |
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| 16:25.55 | J-_ | cahoot: Will do, thanks a lot. :) |
| 16:26.00 | jetscreamer | but there's also a 'update default' (i forget the exact directive) |
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| 16:26.28 | J-_ | cahoot: Had to document what you said, don't want to lose it. |
| 16:26.38 | wald0 | is there a command to know how much MB of ram requires exactly some application that are running ? |
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| 16:27.41 | cahoot | J-_: it's all documented in /usr/share/doc/cpufrequtils/README.debian |
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| 16:28.19 | jetscreamer | using, yes. needs/wants? |
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| 16:29.12 | ZombieBoy | wald0: That is a tough one. I don't think you can know ahead of time how much RAM an application will eat. |
| 16:29.20 | ZombieBoy | You can run it and then see how much it is using. |
| 16:29.32 | wald0 | ZombieBoy: yes, that |
| 16:29.33 | jetscreamer | the application's site might |
| 16:29.36 | wald0 | how much is using |
| 16:29.40 | jetscreamer | top? |
| 16:30.04 | wald0 | jetscreamer: top shows me a ugly % value, not very useful since i have 8gb of ram, i would like a more precise thing |
| 16:30.25 | ZombieBoy | There is a way, let me just remember the command. |
| 16:30.27 | jetscreamer | iirc you can change it |
| 16:30.44 | jetscreamer | doesn't go there much though |
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| 16:32.36 | infinity0 | anyone else having trouble with gnome-system-tools and policykit on debian squeeze? |
| 16:33.09 | infinity0 | those programs insist on thinking they're being run as the user currently logged onto GNOME, even if ran with gksu or through a root terminal :| |
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| 16:33.35 | stew | infinity0: /msg dpkg bts |
| 16:33.40 | jetscreamer | same for sudo <program> in an xterm? |
| 16:33.59 | infinity0 | i submitted a bug report, it's been closed but their fix ("install policykit-gnome") doesn't work |
| 16:34.07 | infinity0 | i'm seeing if anyone else has experienced the same problem |
| 16:35.41 | J-_ | Wow, cpufreq-info states that I'm only using 800MHz as a hardware limit, and this is a 2.00GHz machine. So it's running at less than half of what it's supposed to. But, I'm guessing with ondemand, it'll use what it needs when the opportune comes up. |
| 16:35.45 | stew | infinity0: then reopen the bug |
| 16:35.59 | infinity0 | how? i'm not a dev or a maintainer |
| 16:36.33 | jetscreamer | file a new one i guess |
| 16:36.37 | stew | infinity0: send an email with "reopen bugnumber" to control@bugs.debian.org ; and send a description of why you are reopening it to bugnumber@bugs.debian.org |
| 16:36.41 | stew | no, don't open a new one |
| 16:36.44 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:36.50 | jetscreamer | listen to stew, not me |
| 16:36.54 | infinity0 | stew: oh ok, is there a FAQ about this? |
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| 16:37.04 | infinity0 | because i'd also like to switch it to a different package |
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| 16:37.28 | stew | infinity0: see "manipulating bugs by email" at http://bugs.debian.org |
| 16:37.34 | infinity0 | kk, thanks :) |
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| 16:37.49 | x4d | how can I disable nfs from starting during boot ? |
| 16:38.22 | stew | infinity0: thank YOU for actually reporting bugs you find :) |
| 16:38.31 | infinity0 | lol, heh :) |
| 16:38.52 | stew | x4d: man update-rc.d and search for disable |
| 16:39.14 | stew | x4d: or "disabling" in the examples |
| 16:39.37 | x4d | stew: thanks |
| 16:40.22 | J-_ | Looking at the cpufrequtils - the example shows MAX_SPEED 1000000 MIN_SPEED 500000 set. How can I figure out the MIN and MAX speed of the CPUs I use? |
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| 16:41.40 | bogdomania | J-_, do you have installed cpufreqd ? |
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| 16:42.20 | cahoot | J-_: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies |
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| 16:44.03 | kittonian | is a reboot required after editing /etc/ld.so.conf? |
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| 16:45.22 | sepski | if i plug a usb webcam into my machine, how can i take a picture with it ? |
| 16:45.49 | bogdomania | if you are using gnome,use cheese |
| 16:45.50 | n-iCe | sepski use cheese |
| 16:46.00 | sepski | no X |
| 16:46.18 | ranix | lol cheese |
| 16:46.19 | bogdomania | try installing cheese |
| 16:46.25 | bogdomania | it will work |
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| 16:46.53 | sepski | it wants 23 packages as a dependency ! iigh |
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| 16:47.01 | n-iCe | iigh |
| 16:47.02 | sepski | and 90 MB ! |
| 16:47.14 | ranix | behold, the power of cheese |
| 16:47.21 | bogdomania | but does the webcam gets recognized by the system? |
| 16:47.27 | bogdomania | i mean the drivers.. |
| 16:47.31 | n-iCe | bogdomania you should check that before. |
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| 16:47.39 | n-iCe | dmesg can help you |
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| 16:49.18 | sepski | as far as i know there are no drivers loaded when i insert it. |
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| 16:49.43 | sepski | it is a Logitech Quickcam E3500 |
| 16:50.12 | sepski | and i have found mentions of a uvc driver, but not sure how to load that |
| 16:50.17 | sepski | in google |
| 16:50.22 | ranix | most webcams use a tv capture interface |
| 16:50.27 | ranix | mplayer can handle it |
| 16:50.34 | ranix | !webcam |
| 16:50.34 | dpkg | For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <quickcam>. For device usage suggestions, see http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm or "mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0". http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
| 16:50.48 | ZombieBoy | sepski: Are you using the default Debian kernel? |
| 16:50.51 | sepski | yes |
| 16:50.56 | sepski | lenny |
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| 16:51.12 | ranix | !tell sepski -about quickcam |
| 16:51.15 | ZombieBoy | sepski: Can you show me the output of "lsmod"? |
| 16:51.29 | ZombieBoy | In dpaste, or something like that. |
| 16:51.55 | sepski | ZombieBoy, no usb cam there |
| 16:51.57 | ranix | dpkg has it under control, there's a one-liner to install a driver for his cam |
| 16:51.58 | dpkg | ranix: You are moron #1 |
| 16:52.04 | ranix | dpkg: :( |
| 16:52.05 | dpkg | ) |
| 16:52.06 | sepski | but that quickcam factoid looks promising, |
| 16:52.17 | cahoot | later kernels include uvcvideo |
| 16:52.23 | gusnan | On Lenny - Is there a simple way to turn off gnome-terminal's blinking cursor? gconf-editor doesn't seem to do anything. |
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| 16:53.49 | ranix | xterm is superior |
| 16:53.51 | aarkerio | hi! anybody know a database graphic designer ? |
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| 16:54.23 | Eulex | aarkerio, a what? |
| 16:54.24 | ZombieBoy | aarkerio: Check out umbrello |
| 16:54.33 | gravity | aarkerio: kexi |
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| 16:54.57 | sepski | the device is on the uvc device list tho |
| 16:55.08 | sepski | 046d:09a4 |
| 16:55.12 | jetscreamer | kexi didn't impress me with it's mdb support |
| 16:55.18 | jetscreamer | but i like the dev's |
| 16:55.26 | aarkerio | I mean a tool to create tables and links between them |
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| 16:55.45 | Eulex | aarkerio, for mysql there's mysql-query-browser |
| 16:56.09 | Eulex | if you want to create REAL tables in a REAL database and not just design one |
| 16:56.12 | gravity | aarkerio: pgadmin3 for postgresql |
| 16:56.16 | anddam | does anyone know how to bind on two interfaces, say eth0 and lo, using thttpd ? |
| 16:56.29 | jetscreamer | aarkerio: you might check in #sql , if you're not too embarrassed to ask... :) |
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| 16:56.43 | aarkerio | ok, thx guys! |
| 16:57.02 | jetscreamer | damn, there's gravity and i can't remember what i wanted to ask |
| 16:57.09 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 16:57.24 | dkr | there is no gravity, the earth just sucks |
| 16:58.07 | anddam | don't worry, Google is doing a new one |
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| 16:58.19 | ranix | Google Earth now has pictures of Mars |
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| 16:58.36 | ranix | they're getting ready for something |
| 16:58.43 | jetscreamer | mars is? |
| 16:58.51 | ranix | jetscreamer: roman god of war |
| 16:58.52 | bogdomania | sepski, any luck yet? |
| 16:58.52 | jetscreamer | omg we're going to be invaded! |
| 16:58.53 | cahoot | google earth and Mars? |
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| 17:02.30 | J-_ | bogdomania: cpufreqd isn't installed. |
| 17:02.49 | J-_ | cahoot: that cat shows: 2001000 2000000 1600000 1200000 800000 |
| 17:03.35 | bogdomania | try installing the cpufreqd and then rerun the same command cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies |
| 17:04.11 | sepski | bogdomania, struggeling to dl the required bits. the network card acts funny as well |
| 17:04.16 | sepski | just gimme a min |
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| 17:07.10 | J-_ | bogdomania: Same thing after installing, 2001000 2000000 1600000 1200000 800000 Will I have to modprobe the cpufreqd(or restart the computer)? |
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| 17:09.02 | gribouille | hi |
| 17:09.23 | elik | There is something I don't get... I have 2 computers running squeeze, one says it has updates, the other says no... When I check the version manually, there appears to be updates that my laptop is not showing me... |
| 17:09.31 | elik | !judd metacity |
| 17:09.33 | bogdomania | try rebooting.. |
| 17:09.50 | gribouille | I've the following problem : I've written an app that creates millions of files. when I want to remove them, it can take hours. what can I do to get around this problem ? |
| 17:10.04 | beardy | Don't run the program. |
| 17:10.07 | pipegeek | haha |
| 17:10.24 | jelly | elik: "/msg judd versions metacity"? |
| 17:10.41 | gribouille | beardy, that's not a solution |
| 17:10.43 | Eulex | elik, compare the sources.list of the computers |
| 17:10.46 | pipegeek | reiserfs is supposedly good at handling operations on lots of small files.... but, that said, could your program possibly be altered *not* to create millions of small files? |
| 17:10.48 | beardy | gribouille: Yes, it is. |
| 17:10.52 | jelly | elik: or if it's for someone else, just "judd: versions metacity" |
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| 17:11.05 | Eulex | gribouille, does the program really need to create millions of files? |
| 17:11.06 | elik | judd, versions metacity |
| 17:11.07 | judd | elik: metacity -- etch: 1:2.14.5-4 lenny: 1:2.22.0-2 sid: 1:2.24.0-2 squeeze: 1:2.24.0-2 |
| 17:11.07 | beardy | gribouille: That's not a problem. |
| 17:11.11 | sepski | pipegeek, reiserfs have the hidden features of removing your files for you without you needing to ask it \o/ |
| 17:11.14 | elik | jelly, I couldn't get the versionS |
| 17:11.17 | pipegeek | hehe :P |
| 17:11.23 | pipegeek | that's awesome |
| 17:11.27 | elik | jelly, a version plugin could be cool :) |
| 17:11.28 | jelly | pipegeek: nothing wrong with millions of small files as long as they're not all in a single directory |
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| 17:12.07 | gribouille | the program must be able to access any file at any time |
| 17:12.29 | jelly | gribouille: find /where/are/those/files -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
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| 17:12.36 | jintxo | gribouille, is backgrounding the removal task not a good enough? |
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| 17:12.50 | pipegeek | jelly: well, there's something wrong with millions of files if your program has to then delete them all ;) Dunno what his program is, so I can't suggest that he try to do whatever it is he wants to do inside a big flat file somehow |
| 17:12.58 | gribouille | jintxo, no |
| 17:13.22 | gribouille | I thougth I could create an fs in a file and put all the files in that fs |
| 17:13.33 | gribouille | s/thougth/thougtht |
| 17:13.33 | jelly | gribouille: that or similar takes hours? |
| 17:13.33 | pipegeek | aha! That you could! |
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| 17:13.51 | Eulex | gribouille, either make the program process stuff or output stuff in bigger chunks/files, or put stuff in a good structure in the |
| 17:13.57 | gribouille | jelly: what do you mean ? |
| 17:14.04 | jintxo | gribouille, what about renaming the dir that contains the million files, tehn creating a new, empty dir wit hthe old name and then removing the full dir in the background? |
| 17:14.06 | Eulex | gribouille, oh, if you really wanted to use a database, by all means use a database... |
| 17:14.07 | jelly | gribouille: I mean, how do you delete them? |
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| 17:14.34 | jelly | gribouille: and second question, are all the files contained in the same directory? |
| 17:14.34 | gribouille | jelly rm -fr |
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| 17:14.54 | gribouille | Eulex, no, I don't |
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| 17:14.59 | cizra | Hi. I'm trying to upgrade a configured package whose configuration update script doesn't work properly. Can I somehow reset its status, skip the "upgrade"? |
| 17:15.03 | jintxo | gribouille, that should be quick (haven't tested) |
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| 17:15.28 | Eulex | gribouille, most databases can store BLOB type objects |
| 17:15.33 | jintxo | ew |
| 17:15.38 | gribouille | jelly: yes |
| 17:15.51 | jelly | gribouille: a separate filesystem and an umount / mkfs / mount will likely be faster, yes. |
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| 17:16.14 | jelly | gribouille: ext3 is really slow when deleting files. |
| 17:16.35 | gribouille | jelly: clearly |
| 17:16.49 | gribouille | so what fs type should I use ? |
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| 17:17.40 | jelly | gribouille: I couldn't say; I'm not comfortable with any fs on Linux other than ext2 or ext3. |
| 17:18.23 | jintxo | gribouille, it would be nbest to be "generic" and not rely on a specific FS if you are going tro deploy this software on more than one system. whay don't you try the "rename directory" thing?. that's just imho |
| 17:19.19 | jelly | gribouille: so if that were me, I'd go the mkfs route. If you're a seasoned xfs or whatever user, you might find it acceptable. |
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| 17:19.43 | gribouille | jelly: I only use ext3 |
| 17:20.02 | jelly | then it's clear. |
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| 17:20.29 | goauld | linux-image-2.6.29-1-amd64 is broke and i cant install / uninstall it, i tried apt-get remove --purge, tried apt-get -f install, still its blocked, how do i fix it ? |
| 17:21.14 | Stargazers | Is it somehow possible to change "middle click" to another in Fluxbox to do tabbings? Eg. using ctrl + window dragging? |
| 17:21.19 | gribouille | how can I get mkfs.ext3 run non-interactively ? |
| 17:21.27 | Stargazers | It is little bit hard to drag using eee mouse |
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| 17:21.46 | Stargazers | I mean drag and do middle button click, |
| 17:21.55 | Stargazers | Not impossible, but harrd, |
| 17:22.40 | goauld | how do i uninstall this broken deb? http://pastebin.com/m79fa42f7 |
| 17:23.00 | jelly | gribouille: huh? mkfs _runs_ noninteractively, what does it ask you? |
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| 17:23.42 | gribouille | jelly: I type mkfs -t ext3 virtualfs, and it says virtualfs is not a block special device. Proceed anyway? (y,n) |
| 17:24.34 | jelly | gribouille: oh. You'll find the answer in the manual. |
| 17:24.46 | jelly | (it's -F) |
| 17:25.21 | gribouille | jelly: ok, thanks |
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| 17:25.25 | jelly | in mkfs.ext3 manual, that is. |
| 17:25.32 | cizra | Can I somehow force dpkg NOT to run the prerm script? |
| 17:25.45 | CoolCold | yeah |
| 17:25.59 | CoolCold | find it and add exit 0 right after #!/bin/sh |
| 17:26.04 | jelly | cizra: why do you need it to do so? |
| 17:26.07 | cizra | "find" it where? |
| 17:26.13 | gribouille | other question : when I create an fs in a file, can the size of the file grow as needed ? |
| 17:26.18 | jelly | cizra: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 17:26.19 | cizra | Because I have a hosed package I'm trying to remove. |
| 17:26.29 | jelly | cizra: which package is it? |
| 17:26.31 | CoolCold | cizra: /var/lib/dpkg/info/blabla.prerm |
| 17:27.03 | cizra | \o/ |
| 17:27.12 | jelly | cizra: (ie. if it's from the distro, there might be a bug report present and a way to clear the mess up) |
| 17:27.13 | cizra | jelly: Uhm, Ubuntu Gutsy libpam-runtime |
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| 17:27.28 | cizra | jelly: Something old and not supported here, I know (; |
| 17:27.33 | cizra | But it was a generic dpkg question. |
| 17:27.35 | jelly | cizra: in that case, you're in the wrong fuckin channel :-> |
| 17:28.05 | jelly | cizra: this isn't channel for dpkg, sorry. |
| 17:28.08 | wsxws | i have 3 identical webservers, ist is possible to 'copy' sda1, so that i have 3 identical bootable servers afterwards ? |
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| 17:28.46 | cizra | jelly: Hah. Well, I got help. Thank you very much! |
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| 17:28.55 | cizra | CoolCold: And thank you too. |
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| 17:29.04 | alfatau | hello, referring to http://www.linux.it/~rubini/docs/ksys/, syscall number is saved into EAX register to index the correct code from a syscall table. i don't understand what happens if in EAX there's stored an information needed by the caller task after the syscall. why that register content isn't saved somewhere? thanks for your attention |
| 17:29.05 | jelly | cizra: you might have leftover references to the package in /etc/pam.d that might make problems at login time. Take care. |
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| 17:30.25 | jintxo | wsxws,I guess you can put the drives in one computer and use "dd" to copy the bits from one partition device to the other. that's just one of 100 different ways of doing it, probably |
| 17:30.46 | jetscreamer | wsxws: i find it easiest to boot a live cd and cp -a .. works for me |
| 17:30.51 | jetscreamer | there are other methods |
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| 17:30.58 | wsxws | the webservers are in a datacenter, so thats not possible |
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| 17:31.05 | jintxo | yeah I've used cp -a in the past for similar thing too |
| 17:31.19 | jetscreamer | oh yeah you said datacenter last night |
| 17:31.29 | wsxws | cp -a ? i guess ill have a look in man cp |
| 17:31.44 | J-_ | Yep, restarting shows 2001000 2000000 1600000 1200000 800000 in cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available |
| 17:32.01 | jetscreamer | when you do it when the os is running, you have to look our for /proc and .. and... /sys? i forget |
| 17:32.20 | jetscreamer | i thin the bot has a factoid |
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| 17:32.24 | jetscreamer | k |
| 17:32.26 | J-_ | So, should MAX_SPEED be 2001000 and MIN_SPEED be 800000? |
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| 17:33.34 | bogdomania | J-_, could be.. |
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| 17:35.39 | wsxws | jetscreamer when i boot up in a rescuepannel i could make a tarbal from the entire sda1 and transfer it to another server. but after decompressing it on another server, would it be bootable then ? |
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| 17:36.25 | wsxws | (tht i have to have a look at the networksetings is quiet clear) |
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| 17:40.14 | cizra | jelly: I reinstalled the package (I had to uninstall it because it blocked other stuff from installing, namely the upgraded debconf, which the broken libpam-runtime depended on)). |
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| 17:41.13 | jelly | cizra: I can't possibly comment on that, without adding an expletive of some sort, or the word "typical", so I won't. |
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| 17:42.26 | jetscreamer | should be long as you do it right... |
| 17:42.34 | jetscreamer | i personally didn't :/ |
| 17:42.44 | jelly | cizra: hopefully you'll report this on launchpad so the fine MOTU people can fix the issue |
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| 17:42.48 | tetraedr | hi |
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| 17:44.10 | tetraedr | I've got 2 internet interfaces and very non-standard routing table (using iproute2). is there any specific configuration for routing so I could put them there instead of rc.local/init.d script? |
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| 17:44.42 | yamitenshi | Hi |
| 17:45.29 | gribouille | I've just created an ext3 fs in a 200 MB file, and tried to fill it, but I get a "No space left on device" error message, while there are still 115M left in the fs |
| 17:45.33 | gribouille | any idea ? |
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| 17:46.10 | cizra | gribouille: Reserved root blocks? Pseudo-deleted files kept open by running programs? |
| 17:46.14 | dkr | did you use lots of small files? mayeb out of inodes? |
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| 17:46.33 | gribouille | dkr, how can I check that ? |
| 17:46.38 | dkr | df -i |
| 17:47.04 | gribouille | dkr, bingo |
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| 17:47.30 | gribouille | dkr, thanks |
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| 17:47.54 | yamitenshi | I'm trying to install debian on a Neo FreeRunner (I'm sure some of you guys have heard of it), but the install fails when/after using cdebootstrap to install the system, saying it can't validate Packages and Release. The mirror I use is ftp2.de.debian.org. I've tried different mirrors, but no success. Any suggestions? |
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| 17:49.22 | J-_ | what should i be configuring? The cpufrequtils.sample to put into /etc/default/cpufrequtils, or cpufreqd? |
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| 17:50.06 | saiddy | Gnome tell me this "Cannot mount volume. You are not privileged to mount this volume." How can I use auto mount my local hard-disk? |
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| 17:51.01 | saiddy | any one who can answer me? plz |
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| 17:53.36 | Eulex | saiddy, you don't, you use fstab for that |
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| 17:53.53 | jintxo | J-_, what is it you're trying to do? (sorry, missed whatever you said before I came in) |
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| 17:54.07 | steven_ | Hi whats ext4 support like in lenny ? |
| 17:54.33 | steven_ | as far as i know it's a bit buggy in 2.6.26 stock kernel? |
| 17:54.37 | streuner | !ext4 |
| 17:54.37 | dpkg | i guess ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. |
| 17:54.50 | saiddy | Eulex, I know fstab can do this, so debian can't do auto mount like ubuntu? |
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| 17:54.57 | stuckey | Hello |
| 17:55.24 | Eulex | saiddy, debian can automount, BUT internal devices are supposed to be handled with fstab and not user-space automounting |
| 17:55.30 | stuckey | I'm trying to run Quake4 in Lenny; I installed some different libraries to get it to work, but now it runs so slow I can't play it. I copied the errors from the terminal here: http://paste.debian.net/32739/ |
| 17:55.40 | steven_ | so probably not a good idea to use ext4dev from debian then :) |
| 17:55.52 | jintxo | probably not :-) |
| 17:55.56 | jintxo | unless you wanna test |
| 17:55.57 | saiddy | Eulex, thx a lot |
| 17:56.08 | J-_ | jintxo: trying to configure cpufrequtils. Someone told me to set the file up, and and put it in /etc/default/. But, someone also told me to install cpufreqd. Now I don't know what to configure and if they do the same. |
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| 17:56.48 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
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| 17:57.03 | cr3rzemjest | can u make midnight commander to use different PS1? |
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| 17:57.30 | jintxo | J-_, OK, cpufreqd is for when you use "userspace" governor, which means that a program will set up your CPU speed. What I do is use "ondemand" governor (in /etc/default/cpufrequtils) and let the kernel handle it instead of cpufreqd (I used o use cpufreqd but it's just an extra daemon for something the kernel can do fine) |
| 17:57.41 | cr3rzemjest | i mean i have it set so that there is whole path shown instead of dir, and there is very little space left |
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| 17:58.04 | JordiGH | How to use find to list jpegs on my drive between two dates? |
| 17:58.28 | jintxo | J-_, so here's my setup: I don't install cpufreqd and I use /etc/default/copufrequtils with ENABLE tru, GOVERNOR ondemand and MAX an MIN set to 0 |
| 17:58.47 | jintxo | learns to type, eventually |
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| 17:59.51 | jintxo | J-_, both of the people that tried to help you spoke truth but they were showing you 2 different way of aceiving someting very similar |
| 18:00.29 | seniorake | i've got a question about IP-packages. sometimes it happens that a server within my cluster is being ddos'd - receiving fake IP-headers which lead him to attack other servers. i don't know exactly how to explain it, but the result is that the incoming package more or less tells the server to address it to another server & port, which makes him a kind of drone. i believe this has something to do with the forwarding options or so |
| 18:00.29 | seniorake | , i'm not sure. i really would like to turn off this behaviour, any ideas? |
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| 18:01.35 | J-_ | jintxo: Okay, cool. So I'll remove cpufreqd and configure /etc/default/cpufrequtils. cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies shows my frequencies at 2001000 2000000 1600000 1200000 800000 So I put the max as 2001000, min 800000. Does that sound right? |
| 18:01.37 | jintxo | "ondemand" = "let kernel decide based upon CPU load" and "userspace" = "let a program such as cpufreqd decide based on CPU load" |
| 18:01.50 | jintxo | J-_, sounds right, but use 0 |
| 18:02.02 | jintxo | for both values and let the kernel decide. the kernel is smart, you know :-) |
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| 18:02.23 | J-_ | jintxo: Okay. :) |
| 18:02.49 | jintxo | J-_, I use a gnome applet that shows me my frequency, just for kicks. that way you *know* it's working hehe |
| 18:03.45 | J-_ | jintxo: Nice. I'll be sure to install and use it once I have this figured out. It's alrigh there. :D |
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| 18:04.51 | jintxo | J-_, once you understand what's going on, it's actually quite simple, and you already have the "hard part" which is having more than 1 frecuency available, so now you just have to chill and save some energy :-) |
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| 18:05.38 | J-_ | s/alrigh/almost/ |
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| 18:06.00 | Stargazers | Is somewhere repository for debian to Fluxbox 1.1.1? |
| 18:06.34 | Eulex | testing and unstable has 1.1.1 |
| 18:06.40 | Eulex | if you run stable you could backport it |
| 18:06.51 | Eulex | Stargazers, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:07.10 | Stargazers | Thanks. |
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| 18:08.01 | jetscreamer | you need.... not the _+all but the _alsa.. damn i can't remember.. for q4 |
| 18:08.07 | Stargazers | Which one I should use, testing or unstable? |
| 18:08.14 | jetscreamer | sdl? |
| 18:08.38 | Eulex | Stargazers, doesn't matter, they have the same version of fluxbox. |
| 18:08.58 | Stargazers | Allright. |
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| 18:09.46 | Stargazers | So, how I can define that only Fluxbox should be installed fronm unstable? |
| 18:09.58 | Stargazers | Apt-pinning? |
| 18:10.43 | Stargazers | Or mmh, maybe fluxbox is only one package |
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| 18:12.23 | Stargazers | Uh, are those packages somewhere downloadable wihtout adding files in repository like Ubuntu have online site where I can download packages? |
| 18:12.31 | Stargazers | packages.ubuntu.com, but similar to debian? |
| 18:12.35 | Eulex | Stargazers, I NEVER told you to install the fluxbox package from unstable or testing |
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| 18:12.37 | JordiGH | packaged.debian.org |
| 18:12.42 | JordiGH | packages |
| 18:12.46 | JordiGH | BUT DON'T INSTALL THEM LIKE THAT |
| 18:12.48 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 18:12.48 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 18:13.02 | Eulex | Stargazers, I told you to /msg dpkg ssb and follow the instructions to _backport_ it. |
| 18:13.11 | jetscreamer | yeah i was about to say backport |
| 18:13.33 | Stargazers | Mmh... so can you explain a little and shortly, what means "backport"? |
| 18:13.33 | jetscreamer | real men run experimental though |
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| 18:13.38 | jetscreamer | !backport |
| 18:13.38 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 18:13.42 | bit0 | hello |
| 18:13.45 | Eulex | Stargazers, recompile for your current system. |
| 18:13.51 | Stargazers | Ah, |
| 18:13.54 | Stargazers | All right |
| 18:13.59 | Sirus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.02 | jintxo | jetscreamer, real men that know how to fix sh*t. not everyone. :-) |
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| 18:14.05 | xxtjaxx | Is it ok to copy documentation of my project to /usr/share/doc/<myproject>? what has to be in there anyway? |
| 18:14.10 | ranix | !tell Sirus_ -about why debian |
| 18:14.28 | Stargazers | Well, have to look it tomorrow maybe, |
| 18:14.28 | jetscreamer | notes that even he doesn't run exp |
| 18:14.31 | stuckey | Hello, could anyone help me install something? |
| 18:14.35 | jetscreamer | no |
| 18:14.37 | stuckey | I've been trying to get it to run for like an hour now but it still wont' work |
| 18:14.39 | Sirus_ | ranix? |
| 18:14.45 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 18:14.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:14.57 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 18:14.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 18:15.00 | Stargazers | Now I have to go and wash my teeths and go to sleep. But heyy, thank you for help :) I think I should try that backport stuff. |
| 18:15.04 | xxtjaxx | stuckey, which program? |
| 18:15.08 | Stargazers | Good night! |
| 18:15.16 | infinity0 | er, i've just upgraded a debian package from the upstream trunk, is there a way i can upload it to the experimental repository? |
| 18:15.35 | infinity0 | (upgraded as in merged the trunk into the debsrc and made a .deb out of it) |
| 18:15.41 | Eulex | Stargazers, a tip is to ask about things you get told about that you don't understand :) and good night |
| 18:15.54 | jetscreamer | i think you'll have to ask the package maintainer about it infinity0 |
| 18:16.01 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 18:16.07 | stuckey | Okay, I installed quake4, but it wouldn't work. I'm using Lenny 64bit. I installed ia32-libs and then it ran, but it was so slow I couldn't play it. Then I installed nvidia-glx-ia32 and now the speed is perfectly fine but I can't really see anything (it's like almost totally black). |
| 18:16.07 | J-_ | jintxo: Thanks for the info, I'll install that applet, restart, and see if it's set proper. |
| 18:16.10 | JordiGH | Remind me how to enable mods for Apache in Debian? Do I just set the appropriate symlinks? |
| 18:16.10 | jetscreamer | there's a debian dev guide |
| 18:16.12 | stuckey | xxtjaxx: quake4 |
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| 18:16.23 | jetscreamer | !q4 |
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| 18:16.29 | jetscreamer | !quake4 |
| 18:16.29 | dpkg | somebody said quake4 was what comes after quake3 |
| 18:16.32 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 18:16.37 | jetscreamer | though i made a factoid |
| 18:16.54 | jintxo | J-_, if you use gnome, it should already be installed, you just have to add it to the panel (right click on panel) |
| 18:17.02 | JordiGH | Is Quake 4 free? |
| 18:17.19 | heavenquake | nope |
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| 18:17.23 | stuckey | JordiGH: not right now, but you should remember that Id always makes all of their games open source after they're no longer comerical. |
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| 18:17.39 | stuckey | JordiGH: even the game engines. (Q3 is now open source). |
| 18:17.46 | inigo | I think that http://wiki.debian.org needs a bit of job to improve it |
| 18:17.46 | J-_ | jintxo: Nice, yeah. Just did. :) Now time to restart since it says one of my CPUs is at 100% where as top says it's at 0-5% |
| 18:17.52 | inigo | if i want to add (or change) things... can i do it directly? |
| 18:17.53 | stuckey | JordiGH: so it's like half open-source. |
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| 18:17.56 | JordiGH | stuckey: More importantly, it's free. :-) |
| 18:18.00 | JordiGH | Q3, I mean. |
| 18:18.08 | J-_ | restarts |
| 18:18.10 | KassandraFreeman | lalala/me. |
| 18:18.13 | JordiGH | I wonder if id could get away with selling free games from the start. |
| 18:18.24 | jetscreamer | stuckey: it was libsdl1.2debian-alsa vs libsdl1.2debian-all |
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| 18:18.36 | JordiGH | That's almost what they were doing with shareware. |
| 18:18.36 | jetscreamer | make sure you have the alsa one not the all |
| 18:18.37 | stuckey | jetscreamer: so yeah, I played this just fine when I had x86 installed on this machine, but now that I have 64bit I'm having troubles. |
| 18:18.41 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:18.44 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 18:18.46 | stuckey | jetscreamer: okay let me do that |
| 18:18.55 | Eulex | JordiGH, if they keep the game data non-free, there would be no problem doing so |
| 18:18.57 | jetscreamer | i know nothing of 64bit |
| 18:19.10 | jetscreamer | i have q4 though and it needed that |
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| 18:19.19 | jetscreamer | back when q4 came out |
| 18:19.25 | JordiGH | Eulex: John Carmack needs to man up and make the engine free from the start. :P |
| 18:19.25 | stuckey | jetscreamer: it plays fine for you? |
| 18:19.26 | ranix | competitors would have access to ID engines |
| 18:19.32 | jetscreamer | it 'did' |
| 18:19.36 | ranix | ID actually does sell their engines |
| 18:19.45 | jetscreamer | and licenses them |
| 18:19.47 | stuckey | jetscreamer: okay i try it now |
| 18:20.00 | JordiGH | ranix: So? They GPL them. id would also have the engine that their competitors use. |
| 18:20.08 | jetscreamer | it ran like shit i only had a fx5200 at the time :) |
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| 18:20.25 | ranix | JordiGH: people will pay a ton of money for the q4 engine or the doom 3 engine |
| 18:20.28 | jetscreamer | it was ok in smal places |
| 18:20.38 | metaperl_work | I use debian stable. I type apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and now I have this error - symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: gzopen64 |
| 18:20.39 | castingcrowns | Anyone familiar with rsnapshot? |
| 18:20.48 | JordiGH | ranix: I wonder what was wrong with the Qt model... GPL, or pay if you want to close it up. |
| 18:20.54 | stuckey | jetscreamer: okay it runs like shit now |
| 18:21.15 | jetscreamer | brb |
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| 18:21.32 | JordiGH | ANYWAYS |
| 18:21.38 | JordiGH | How do you enable mods in Debian's Apache? |
| 18:21.39 | stuckey | Anyone know what might be causing this? The game runs like shit on amd64 but just fine on x86. |
| 18:22.10 | jintxo | JordiGH, you install them and the use a2enmod if I recall correctly |
| 18:22.32 | JordiGH | I want php (yeah, yeah). It's already in mods_available/ |
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| 18:23.26 | J-_ | Weird, CPU temps are back up to 48C. :( Frequencies are down though |
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| 18:23.40 | jintxo | JordiGH, tried a2enmod and the reloading apache? |
| 18:23.55 | JordiGH | jintxo: Hmmm... yes, apache sais I don't have libphp5.so like I thought I did. |
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| 18:24.01 | JordiGH | said |
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| 18:24.47 | jintxo | JordiGH, it's a deb package I believe libapache-mod-php5 |
| 18:25.05 | jintxo | libapache2-mod-php5, just checked |
| 18:25.12 | JordiGH | Thanks. |
| 18:25.56 | jintxo | JordiGH, just so you know, most apache mods follow the same nomenclature - libapache2-mod-something |
| 18:26.07 | J-_ | can I set up profiles with cpufrequtils? Since it's a laptop, it'd be nice to change the type of profile. Unless that's what cpufreqd is for? |
| 18:26.21 | JordiGH | jintxo: got it. |
| 18:27.18 | J-_ | Changing the type of profile would help with battery life, no? |
| 18:27.21 | jintxo | J-_, not sure about that one, I use the same setup on both laptops and desktops (ondemand) seems to work well |
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| 18:27.31 | J-_ | jintxo: nice |
| 18:28.02 | goauld | JordiGH: do you play at tremulous-spain.com? |
| 18:28.26 | jintxo | J-_, I haven't checked but maybe gnome-power-manager has something to say about that? never really looked in to it... |
| 18:28.43 | JordiGH | goauld: Maybe Jordi Mallach does. |
| 18:29.51 | J-_ | jintxo: Just google about, cpufreqd in this example shows different profiles. Though, it also states that cpufreqd-2.0.0 the configuration file has changed. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_cpufreqd |
| 18:30.01 | goauld | i dont know any Mallach, never mind then |
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| 18:30.39 | J-_ | jintxo: Weird, gnome-power-manager doesn't even start up. |
| 18:30.40 | jintxo | J-_, try it out, man, no fear :-) just remember if you want cpufreqd to control your CPU you need to set the governor to "userspace" and make sure the daemon spufreqd starts at boot |
| 18:30.43 | tetraedr | any ideas on mp3 player like winamp? amarok definitely suxx :( bloated and eating alot of memory. there was xmms, but some smarter made from it a daemon (awful) |
| 18:30.44 | Thomaschaaf | hey guys looking for a way to go through a folders files and search for a string how do I do that= |
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| 18:31.01 | goauld | laptop-mode totally beats cpufreqd, need some file tweaking though |
| 18:31.49 | jintxo | Thomaschaaf, have you looked at audacious? it ain't so bad and it's pretty light. I've used amarok a lot lately though. I think i'm gonna stop using it , it's a bit too heavy for my taste |
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| 18:32.10 | Thomaschaaf | oh yea and in terminal |
| 18:32.13 | jintxo | uh, that was for tetraedr :-) |
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| 18:32.32 | goauld | kernel module governor should govern itself shouln't it? |
| 18:32.44 | tetraedr | jintxo, hm, thanks will go look at it |
| 18:32.52 | Thomaschaaf | jintxo: what does a music player have to do with going through fileS? |
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| 18:33.04 | J-_ | jintxo: Nice. I'll document that, too. writing in tomboy. Will write a blog post about it so I can remeber next time I reformat which is quite often. But, hopefully with Debian installed now, I'll get to poke around in the guts because I *have* to do it to get my laptop running smooth. |
| 18:33.07 | jintxo | Thomaschaaf, yaya for a mis-auto-completed nick :-) |
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| 18:33.42 | Thomaschaaf | any idea anyone? |
| 18:34.07 | klbate | Is anyone else having problems with Iceweasel 3 on AMD64 randomly positioning background images incorrectly? |
| 18:34.07 | jintxo | J-_, did you see what goauld said? I haven't even heard of laptop-mode but is sure does sound good, hehe |
| 18:34.11 | x4d | Can someone help me figure out why Hellanzb is giving me this error ? "Couldn't listen on 127.0.0.1:8760: (99, 'Cannot assign requested address'). Exiting: FatalError'>: Cannot bind to XML RPC port, is another hellanzb queue daemon already running?" |
| 18:34.48 | jintxo | Thomaschaaf, if you want to search for a particular string within files, "grep" is your friend. |
| 18:35.05 | J-_ | Just seen it now :D |
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| 18:35.38 | wald0 | ZombieBoy: you have remember the command to know how much ram are using an application ? |
| 18:35.41 | goauld | the best i like about laptop mode is you can set "dont scale cpu speed for low priority processes" - > ON, so you can compile kernel with nice -n19 make, and laptop fan never turning on |
| 18:35.47 | goauld | just 1 of many features |
| 18:35.55 | Thomaschaaf | jintxo: tried cat * | grep 'string' but that would tell me that folders are folders but I want it to go through everyfile |
| 18:36.27 | ZombieBoy | wald0: I'm sorry, could not remember it. It had to do with stating the formatting of the output of "ps" ot "top". |
| 18:36.31 | ZombieBoy | Cannot recall. |
| 18:36.33 | klbate | Thomaschaaf: Recursively? Use 'find'. |
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| 18:36.49 | jintxo | Thomaschaaf, either I'm not understanding what you want exaclty or you are looking for grep -R ... :-p |
| 18:37.03 | wald0 | :/ |
| 18:37.03 | jintxo | or find and pipe that to grep I guess |
| 18:37.04 | J-_ | goauld: wow nice. |
| 18:37.32 | valdyn | Thomaschaaf: grep -R string ./ |
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| 18:38.04 | Thomaschaaf | valdyn: thanks was woundering why it took so long :D |
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| 18:39.28 | valdyn | stuckey: but not properly or completely |
| 18:39.44 | ZombieBoy | wald0: What you could try is get the PID of the process you are interested in and looking for something inside /proc/<PID> |
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| 18:40.00 | ZombieBoy | You might be able to find something regarding memory usage in there. |
| 18:40.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | top will show it if you see the process |
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| 18:40.23 | ZombieBoy | CutMeOwnThroat: It shows you memory percentage usage. NOt actual "memory" usage. |
| 18:40.31 | wald0 | ZombieBoy: i think that i have found it :), ps aux --sort size, it is the 5º column in KB (wow! 26 Mb for only an printer applet) |
| 18:40.45 | ZombieBoy | wald0: Perfect. |
| 18:40.48 | jintxo | must be an HP, lol |
| 18:40.54 | ZombieBoy | I knew it had to do with formatting "ps". |
| 18:40.54 | wald0 | ZombieBoy: no, very bloated imho lol |
| 18:40.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ZombieBoy, no, it shows you VIRT/RES/SHR |
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| 18:41.23 | ZombieBoy | CutMeOwnThroat: And you have to do the math manually ;) |
| 18:41.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is really all you can ask for |
| 18:41.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | and, indeed a weird percentage |
| 18:41.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 18:42.03 | robin_sz | why why why why oh why ... I dont even have fscking vi on the system .. I link vi to vim, because, hey, it saves typing a whole letter, and it turns itself into vi somehow grrrrrr |
| 18:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | what ELSE would you want to calculate |
| 18:42.32 | Eulex | if you REALLY want to measure memory usage, use pmap -d and look at writeable/private, and add shared if you want |
| 18:42.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | robin_sz, it's normally sym-linked on Debian anyway |
| 18:43.04 | robin_sz | CutMeOwnThroat, it is, but somehow it detects how its called and chnages its behaviour to mimmick vi |
| 18:43.24 | jintxo | yup |
| 18:43.32 | robin_sz | bangs head on desk |
| 18:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | not surprising |
| 18:43.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | what feature are you after? |
| 18:43.44 | Eulex | 'somehow' |
| 18:43.49 | Eulex | it simply looks at argv[0] |
| 18:43.56 | robin_sz | the required feature is "being vim" |
| 18:43.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can probably change whatever it is in /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 18:44.06 | jintxo | robin_sz, check. it is vim :-) |
| 18:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jintxo, thanks! |
| 18:44.29 | robin_sz | ok, then the required feature is "not pretending to be vi" |
| 18:44.32 | jintxo | any other features you're after? hehehe |
| 18:45.06 | Eulex | robin_sz, uh, well... could you try perhaps just alias vi to vim in your shell? |
| 18:45.07 | ZupZupper | robin_sz: launch it by calling vim |
| 18:45.16 | ZupZupper | instead of typing 'vi' |
| 18:45.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | would be tricky... if you call it "vi" doesn't that make it a "vi" by definition? |
| 18:45.22 | J-_ | installs laptop-mode-tools |
| 18:45.26 | robin_sz | Eulex, that doesnt work |
| 18:45.35 | Eulex | robin_sz, why? |
| 18:46.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh |
| 18:46.02 | robin_sz | because vim detects you called it vi and changes it behaviour into ta "pretend to be vi" mode |
| 18:46.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | what *is* the difference you see between vi and vim behavior |
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| 18:46.27 | robin_sz | err, press up-arrow and print B? |
| 18:46.31 | Eulex | doesn't aliasing prevent that? *tests it* |
| 18:46.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting... it doesn't do that and never did under debian |
| 18:46.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of debian are you running |
| 18:47.02 | robin_sz | well, I only run debain ... |
| 18:47.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
| 18:47.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I got it |
| 18:47.32 | robin_sz | 4.0 |
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| 18:47.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does dpkg -l vim say? |
| 18:47.52 | ZupZupper | robin_sz: that's because you have vim-tiny installed |
| 18:47.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps vim-tiny behaves differently from vim? |
| 18:48.00 | ZupZupper | apt-get install vim and it'll fix itself |
| 18:48.04 | robin_sz | ah ha! |
| 18:48.08 | robin_sz | wheee :) |
| 18:48.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ZupZupper, bah, you spoiled it :) |
| 18:48.13 | ZupZupper | LOL |
| 18:48.15 | jintxo | that was a hard one |
| 18:48.19 | ZupZupper | gawd I hate vim-tiny |
| 18:48.29 | robin_sz | im happy again in <short space of time> |
| 18:48.36 | ZupZupper | I know I shouldn't use the arrow keys in insert mode...but I wanna! |
| 18:48.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | it would have helped tremendously if he'd said what the problem was from start on |
| 18:48.44 | robin_sz | likewidse |
| 18:48.45 | Eulex | robin_sz, aliasing DOES prevent it, if you alias vi=vim, vim will get "vim" as argv[0] |
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| 18:48.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do people never ever say what the real problem is? |
| 18:49.11 | robin_sz | Eulex, by "aliasing" you mean someting other than ln -s? |
| 18:49.17 | Eulex | YES |
| 18:49.20 | robin_sz | oh |
| 18:49.23 | Eulex | I mean an alias in your shell, not a symlink |
| 18:49.30 | Eulex | as I said |
| 18:49.31 | ZupZupper | alias vi=vim |
| 18:49.32 | robin_sz | this is new magic to me |
| 18:49.34 | ZupZupper | in bash |
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| 18:49.52 | ZupZupper | ln -s is a soft link |
| 18:49.59 | ZupZupper | at the file level |
| 18:50.10 | abrotman | robin_sz: man bash /ALIAS |
| 18:50.13 | robin_sz | coo |
| 18:50.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | alias 'life,_the_universe_and_everything'=42 |
| 18:50.37 | robin_sz | never knew alias was in there ... |
| 18:50.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | you cannot imagine how much typing that one already saved me |
| 18:50.42 | ZupZupper | CutMeOwnThroat: where's your towel? |
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| 18:51.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | got it right here |
| 18:51.12 | Eulex | CutMeOwnThroat, that one won't be able to save you any typing at all ^^ |
| 18:51.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | can you borrow me some tooth paste? |
| 18:51.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Eulex, no! really?!?! |
| 18:51.28 | jintxo | CutMeOwnThroat, if you could have tab copletion for aliases, that would sure save you a lot of typing, hehe |
| 18:51.29 | robin_sz | s/borrow/lend/ |
| 18:51.34 | jintxo | wait, maybe that exists? |
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| 18:52.19 | jintxo | because typing all of that, just for having bash run "42" seems like a lot of typing, hehe (just joking, guys) |
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| 18:52.30 | user1 | newbie here, can someone tell me the significance of debian supporting the BSD kernel? Will my apt-get function the same if I chose the new kernel platform? |
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| 18:52.34 | jetscreamer | i tab complete my aliases all the time |
| 18:53.04 | Eulex | user1, yes. the main difference will be the hardware support. |
| 18:53.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | damnit, I always confuse borrow with lend, even when I swap the words on purpose |
| 18:53.47 | jintxo | I haven't used aliasing since my cli days, now I use a de for doing sh*t. tab completion sure would have been useful for my cdreocrd magic in orde to record a cd at 2X (wow!) |
| 18:53.48 | user1 | Eulex: so to me as a dumb user, setting security, running programs through X, all is the same? |
| 18:54.05 | ZupZupper | user1: yes |
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| 18:54.13 | user1 | Eulex: what about the Free as in Freedom issue? Is it now beer? |
| 18:54.15 | Eulex | user1, as long as your hardware has equally or sufficiently good support |
| 18:54.22 | Eulex | user1, wha? |
| 18:54.46 | JW | I'm having some network trouble with a Lenny virtual machine in VMware. In etch, to get netowrk access to work, I always rm /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and reboot, which causes udev to recreate that device, then eth0 will work. In Lenny - udev doesn't evercreate the /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules - what do I do to fix this? |
| 18:54.50 | jetscreamer | bsd is more 'free', isn't it? |
| 18:54.56 | jetscreamer | make one |
| 18:54.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | user1, possibly whiskey |
| 18:55.05 | user1 | Eulex: BSD is a come-and-get-it license, but linux is a come-participate-with-us |
| 18:55.09 | Eulex | user1, two-clause BSD is free as in freedom, they just don't require you to preserve the freedom if you modify it... |
| 18:55.10 | ZupZupper | user1: the BSD license is the equivalent of you offering your sister to the neighbors as a free escort service |
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| 18:55.49 | Eulex | user1, most BSD licenses are equally dfsg-free as the GPL is... |
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| 18:56.57 | Eulex | user1, there's lots of software in debian which has a bsd license already |
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| 18:57.12 | user1 | Eulex, ZupZupper: seems like it would limit sharing? Should I not be concerned about that? I'm into Linux for Open Source idealology more so than for a better OS |
| 18:57.24 | JW | I should point out that during the install the network was working fine on DHCP and I don't know if udev was doing it's thing or not. Now I've moved the VM and trying to use a static address - and things aren't working. |
| 18:57.36 | McManiaC | hey i'm new to debian, is there a way to install a lot of packages (all starting with "libghc6") with one command? like "aptitude install libghc6*" ? |
| 18:57.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, damn gpl... freakin reason why there's no gpl readline support in distributed gnuplots |
| 18:57.57 | Eulex | user1, limit charing? |
| 18:58.07 | Eulex | *sharing |
| 18:58.38 | ZupZupper | user1: it doesn't limit sharing, it just doesn't require participation |
| 18:58.41 | Eulex | McManiaC, that exact command should work. at least apt-get supports that, but aptitude should too support that. |
| 18:58.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdyti McManiaC |
| 18:58.44 | dpkg | Why don't you just try it, McManiaC? |
| 18:58.59 | McManiaC | CutMeOwnThroat: because it didnt work :) |
| 18:59.09 | jetscreamer | hmm major kde sid update it seems |
| 18:59.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha! |
| 18:59.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | it should, though |
| 18:59.35 | McManiaC | Couldn't find package "libghc6*", and more than 40 |
| 18:59.35 | McManiaC | packages contain "libghc6*" in their name. |
| 18:59.35 | user1 | ZupZupper: Ah, exactly. I really don't like the sound of that |
| 19:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | lemme try that |
| 19:00.04 | ZupZupper | user1: shrug, it is what it is, pick your kernel and love it |
| 19:00.09 | user1 | ZupZupper: perhaps it is a non issue since, all software is seperate anyway? |
| 19:00.17 | ZupZupper | user1: yep |
| 19:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get install libghc6* works fine for me |
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| 19:00.53 | J-_ | laptop-mode seems pretty extensive. almost too much though. *ponders* whether to remove or not |
| 19:00.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, how weird |
| 19:01.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude reports Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libghc6*" |
| 19:01.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
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| 19:01.16 | McManiaC | ok apt-get works |
| 19:01.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude probably uses regexps and apt-get uses globs? |
| 19:01.24 | JordiGH | Damn, where is the apache config? Like, for example, enabling homedirs. |
| 19:01.56 | jetscreamer | !plasma |
| 19:02.05 | user1 | as always thanks! |
| 19:02.07 | jetscreamer | what's plasma, as in kde |
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| 19:02.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | how funny... aptitude doesn't have wildcards |
| 19:02.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | another proof of the superiority of apt-get! |
| 19:02.38 | McManiaC | yeah |
| 19:02.43 | ZupZupper | JordiGH: /etc/apache2/conf |
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| 19:03.10 | Tead | Hi all, I get the following error on next boot after mounting succesfully a XFS LVM partition: http://pastebin.com/m76e1845d |
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| 19:03.22 | Tead | I reinstalled the GRUB boot loader, without succes |
| 19:03.29 | JordiGH | ZupZupper: Hm, that can't be it. I don't see anything there about enabling homedirs, but it's clearly enabled... |
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| 19:03.51 | ZupZupper | JordiGH: check /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 19:04.26 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, instead, it uses regular expressions, which are much more powerful than (and incompatible with) simple wildcards. |
| 19:04.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it doesnt |
| 19:04.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I thought |
| 19:04.47 | jetscreamer | great, already kde4 wants packages that aren't there |
| 19:04.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | but libxxx.* doesn't find packages either |
| 19:04.56 | JordiGH | ZupZupper: Ah, that's it, I think. |
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| 19:05.11 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, yes it does. you're doing it wrong. |
| 19:05.29 | ZupZupper | JordiGH: Apache on debian is a bit interesting if you're used to RH or other builds |
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| 19:05.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I am? |
| 19:06.04 | JordiGH | ZupZupper: Nope, I can't find it there either... I'm not used to another Apache. |
| 19:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, manpages don't say anything about regexps either |
| 19:06.11 | avu | % aptitude search 'ap.*ude$' |
| 19:06.11 | avu | i aptitude - terminal-based package manager (terminal interface only) |
| 19:06.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're doing it wrong |
| 19:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | # aptitude install 'ap.*ude$ |
| 19:06.57 | gewt | i'm having an issue |
| 19:06.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ap.*ude$ |
| 19:07.03 | eth01 | still wrong.. |
| 19:07.09 | gewt | cnvm |
| 19:07.15 | gewt | i;m not having an issue |
| 19:07.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | we were NOT talking about searches |
| 19:07.40 | ZupZupper | JordiGH: hmmm it could also be in /etc/apache2/conf.d/ |
| 19:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | gewt, of "Playboy"? |
| 19:08.18 | gewt | no, conncting 6o the debiaan servers was slow. |
| 19:08.50 | Tead | lol, I work for Playboy, but still has boot problems: http://pastebin.com/m76e1845d |
| 19:09.13 | jetscreamer | well kde4 doesn't install well for me |
| 19:09.16 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, with install, you have to actually tell it to use regular expressions |
| 19:09.33 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, aptitude install '~nap.*ude$' |
| 19:09.46 | ZupZupper | gewt, connecting how was slow? |
| 19:09.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | another proof of the superiority of apt-get! |
| 19:10.04 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 19:10.10 | gewt | ZupZupper, apt was slow conecting to the debian us servers |
| 19:10.10 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, not really. it's how regexp work |
| 19:10.15 | JordiGH | ZupZupper: It was in mods-enabled/userdir.conf |
| 19:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | not really |
| 19:10.29 | ZupZupper | JordiGH: awesome =) |
| 19:10.30 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, if they were on by default in this case, aptitude install aptitude would install aptitude-doc as well |
| 19:10.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt.*tude would be a totally valid regexp |
| 19:10.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | another proof of the superiority of apt-get! |
| 19:10.54 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, yes. but so is 'aptitude' and it matches everything with the term aptitude in it. |
| 19:11.01 | avu | again, that's how regexp work |
| 19:11.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | so globs are better in that case |
| 19:11.20 | Eulex | ahaha |
| 19:11.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | because you don't have to do ~n<pattern$ chickenshit |
| 19:11.32 | Eulex | an argument about globs vs regexps? |
| 19:11.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get against aptitude :) |
| 19:11.50 | avu | the $ is just needed when you actually need it |
| 19:11.55 | avu | and it's no argument |
| 19:12.00 | avu | it's a regular flame-fest!1one |
| 19:12.15 | Eulex | then I won't interrupt you |
| 19:12.33 | avu | nah, I think we're done anyway, at least I've lost interest |
| 19:12.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I've already trampled you into the ground... |
| 19:13.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | anything more would be like beating up little children :-P |
| 19:13.17 | Eulex | *plonk* |
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| 19:13.58 | avu | you prefer simplicity in anyway simple cases, I prefer flexibility, Eulex prefers funny ignore-sounds |
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| 19:15.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you know the perl maxime... Make the simple things simple and hard things possible ... |
| 19:15.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | so perhaps we can agree that both have their place :) |
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| 19:16.02 | jogla | can debian automaticly configure the exim that ships with it to be a smart host? |
| 19:16.29 | beardy | jogla: I think so yes. Depending on what you mean with smart host.. |
| 19:16.38 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, but agreeing is so boring compared to silly arguments. we haven't even come down to ad hominem yet :( |
| 19:16.43 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, (but yes, we can) |
| 19:17.45 | Eulex | jogla, yes |
| 19:17.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'd think the "hard cases" where you really need regexps are pretty rare - and the simple glob syntax is definitely better when suggesting things here |
| 19:17.52 | beardy | jogla: Automatically, as in reconfiguring it and choosing. |
| 19:18.26 | beardy | jogla: 'dpkg-reconfigure exim-config' IIRC.. |
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| 19:18.43 | jogla | thank you |
| 19:18.47 | beardy | jogla: exim4-config possibly |
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| 19:18.59 | macman_ | guys |
| 19:19.40 | ZupZupper | anyone got experience setting up IET to serve iSCSI to vmware? |
| 19:20.07 | ZupZupper | specifically ESX 3.5 |
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| 19:20.16 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, it's not only about needing regexp though. it's about wanting to match obsolete packages, packages with broken dependencies, packages from a given section and all that goodness. I think the best argument that remains for apt-get is that it's noticably faster on slow machines, which is why I use it on my gateway at home for example. |
| 19:20.18 | jogla | do i need the gkdebconf for that? |
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| 19:21.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | avu, well, my best argument is, that I practically never *need* any of that stuff. Perhaps I will at some time, though |
| 19:21.33 | Eulex | jogla, no. you can run vanilla dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 19:21.47 | beardy | jogla: Some GUI debconf? No, certainly not. |
| 19:22.13 | ZupZupper | ..if my call's so important to you, why am I on hold!??!? LIES!!! |
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| 19:24.16 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, I at least use ~c, ~o and ~i on a regular basis. mostly with purge/remove though and on testing/sid machines. for search, ~N is nice on those. But most of the possibilities I don't use either, true. and I don't think I've ever used regexp with install, I rely on my shell's completion-fu there |
| 19:24.51 | a_l_e | when i update libpodofo i get an error "size mismatch"... is there anything i can do? |
| 19:25.07 | a_l_e | i'm using aptitude to manage the packages... |
| 19:25.52 | avu | a_l_e, update again, delete the package from your local cache, if the problem persists, try another mirror |
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| 19:26.43 | a_l_e | avu: apt-get clean? |
| 19:27.20 | avu | aptitude clean does the second of the things I mentioned, yes |
| 19:27.25 | avu | (and apt-get clean too :)) |
| 19:27.37 | a_l_e | trying out... |
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| 19:28.02 | a_l_e | it didn't work... the error is still there :-( |
| 19:28.20 | avu | you did all three things that fast? sounds hard to believe :-) |
| 19:28.27 | a_l_e | i'm getting the package from debia.scribus.net... |
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| 19:29.04 | a_l_e | i did apt-get clean, updated the pacakges list (u) in aptitude and retried to install libpodofo |
| 19:29.20 | steffan | Where does apt-get install irssi too by default? |
| 19:29.28 | avu | steffan, dpkg -L irssi |
| 19:29.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, try a different mirror, a_l_e |
| 19:29.39 | a_l_e | avu: what i didn't do, is to change mirror... |
| 19:29.44 | avu | steffan, if you mean the binary, it'll end up in /usr/bin as most do |
| 19:30.01 | J-_ | http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~stali/ubuntu_x61.htm Looks nice, but I'm running a R61e |
| 19:30.25 | a_l_e | avu: so: how can i add a mirror? |
| 19:30.31 | steffan | avu: I installed Irssi via. apt-get, so I'm running the older version, there's obviously been a new release but it's not in apt-get yet. How can I update manually, do I overwrite the current Irssi? |
| 19:30.33 | avu | a_l_e, not add, change |
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| 19:30.45 | avu | steffan, backport the package from sid |
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| 19:30.56 | avu | !tell a_l_e about sources.list |
| 19:31.06 | steffan | avu: Can you help me? |
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| 19:31.15 | avu | !tell steffan about ssb |
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| 19:31.35 | IRCFrEAK | Buenas a todos |
| 19:31.42 | avu | steffan, teh bot just told you everything you need to know |
| 19:31.50 | jetscreamer | !repository |
| 19:31.50 | dpkg | debian repository is probably a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html Ask me about <list repositories>. |
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| 19:32.08 | jetscreamer | oh no not that |
| 19:32.25 | jetscreamer | dpkg sources.list |
| 19:32.26 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 19:32.54 | steffan | avu: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=irssi&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports doesn't show the latest version of irssi. |
| 19:32.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh, stop spamming |
| 19:33.04 | jetscreamer | !spam CutMeOwnThroat |
| 19:33.09 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 19:33.13 | avu | steffan, so? |
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| 19:33.44 | avu | steffan, that's just the first thing the bot told you to do (check for an existing backport), the rest of the factoid was about making your own backport if there isn't one already.. |
| 19:33.46 | jetscreamer | !depends irssi |
| 19:33.58 | Thomaschaaf | is there a way to see how warm it is inside of my pc from within terminal? on windows there are all these programms is that possible? I don't want to boot into bios just to check the temp of my os |
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| 19:34.08 | jetscreamer | sensors Thomaschaaf |
| 19:34.15 | jetscreamer | if set up properly |
| 19:34.20 | Tramp | !ops [Prenses] spams onjoin |
| 19:34.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tramp complains about: [Prenses] spams onjoin |
| 19:34.21 | dpkg | irssi: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libperl5.10 (>= 5.10.0), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), perl (>= 5.10.0-19), perlapi-5.10.0, perl-base (>= 5.8.1) |
| 19:34.31 | a_l_e | avu: i guess, i have a full lenny system, with testing repository for scribus... since lenny is not testing any more, i can't update scribus... i am right? |
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| 19:34.42 | jetscreamer | an ssb might not work for irssi |
| 19:34.44 | IRCFrEAK | hi |
| 19:34.49 | stew | Tramp: thanks |
| 19:34.58 | Tramp | stew: dito |
| 19:35.11 | avu | a_l_e, no idea, ask the scribus people if you're using a third party repository made by them |
| 19:35.18 | IRCFrEAK | i am a user with a laptop of apple, with mac os x |
| 19:35.23 | jetscreamer | it might 'just work' |
| 19:35.27 | IRCFrEAK | is posible install a debian ? |
| 19:35.36 | jetscreamer | yes IRCFrEAK |
| 19:35.45 | IRCFrEAK | with mac os x, |
| 19:35.46 | jetscreamer | i don't know how, just yes it cvan be done |
| 19:35.46 | a_l_e | avu: typical debian answer. the question was about source.list, not scribus. |
| 19:35.51 | x4d | please I need some help figuring out why hellanzb is not working for me, I can't find any information on the web about this error hellanzb v0.13 (config = /etc/hellanzb.conf, C yenc module) |
| 19:35.51 | x4d | Couldn't listen on 127.0.0.1:8760: (99, 'Cannot assign requested address'). |
| 19:35.51 | x4d | Exiting: FatalError'>: Cannot bind to XML RPC port, is another hellanzb queue daemon already running? |
| 19:35.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mac |
| 19:35.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | apple |
| 19:36.00 | ZupZupper | IRCFrEAK: do you want to run both at the same time? |
| 19:36.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 19:36.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn me |
| 19:36.05 | jetscreamer | unless he means run .debs on a mac |
| 19:36.19 | IRCFrEAK | in this moment |
| 19:36.23 | IRCFrEAK | i have mac os x |
| 19:36.24 | avu | a_l_e, no, it was about how to deal with this specific repository. I can't know how the scribus people dealt with the lenny testing->stable switch |
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| 19:36.30 | IRCFrEAK | all hard disk is mac os x |
| 19:36.34 | steffan | avu: adding 'deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main ' is correct? |
| 19:36.51 | IRCFrEAK | and i like install debian with mac os x |
| 19:36.55 | avu | steffan, yes |
| 19:36.57 | ZupZupper | IRCFrEAK: you could use VMWare player and get a virtualized copy of debian |
| 19:37.03 | ZupZupper | and run it from your mac desktop |
| 19:37.03 | IRCFrEAK | no... |
| 19:37.18 | IRCFrEAK | i don't like virtualized |
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| 19:37.24 | a_l_e | avu: believe me, the question, was about source.list: all the repositories have lenny at the version, scribus has testing... but i may have written all have lenny, claws has testing |
| 19:37.27 | IRCFrEAK | i like in other partition |
| 19:37.30 | steffan | avu: my current sources.list also shows 'non-free' and 'contrib', what are those? |
| 19:37.32 | Thomaschaaf | jetscreamer: I can find xsensors that the right thing? |
| 19:37.36 | steffan | avu: and is there a need? |
| 19:37.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
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| 19:37.55 | avu | steffan, other sections of the archives, read about them in the debian reference for example |
| 19:38.03 | avu | steffan, or ask the dpkg bot in a query |
| 19:38.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | IRCFrEAK, there's #debianppc , which might know more - also see http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ |
| 19:38.20 | IRCFrEAK | in this moment have virtualbox with debian 5.0, but don't like.... |
| 19:38.29 | ZupZupper | IRCFrEAK: is it an intel mac? |
| 19:38.31 | smacnay | Seems I am having a lot of trouble mounting data dvd's and some external hard drives. This is in "testing" with Gnome running. Anyone else had issues in the last few days? |
| 19:38.34 | streuner | Thomaschaaf: lm-sensors |
| 19:38.58 | streuner | Thomaschaaf: or mbmon |
| 19:39.02 | IRCFrEAK | CutMeOwnThroat, the architecture don't is powerpc |
| 19:39.04 | IRCFrEAK | is intel |
| 19:39.04 | streuner | !info mbmon |
| 19:39.08 | dpkg | mbmon: (Hardware monitoring without kernel dependencies (text client)), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.05-6 (sid), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
| 19:39.38 | steffan | avu: okay! do I have to do the steps after 3)? or is it only adding the deb-src line and 'at-get update' |
| 19:39.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | IRCFrEAK, ha - then it's "just a pc", I'd say |
| 19:39.52 | avu | steffan, wtf |
| 19:40.17 | avu | steffan, the factoid doesn't have those steps to confuse you |
| 19:40.20 | Thomaschaaf | streuner: how do I call lm-sensors I installed it |
| 19:40.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | IRCFrEAK, so nothing different, just because it runs macos |
| 19:40.26 | avu | steffan, but because they are actually necessary of course |
| 19:40.50 | steffan | avu: you said only the second bit of the factoid is only if you want to create a backport yourself, so it confused me? |
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| 19:41.15 | Eulex | CutMeOwnThroat, you don't know a lot about macs, do you? |
| 19:41.15 | avu | steffan, yes. and that's exactly what you are doing. creating a backport. |
| 19:41.16 | IRCFrEAK | you say: DEBIAN WITH ARCHITECTURE PPC IS FOR MAC OS ? |
| 19:41.32 | IRCFrEAK | i download for i |
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| 19:41.35 | streuner | Thomaschaaf: man sensors? |
| 19:41.37 | ZupZupper | IRCFrEAK: no you would use Debian ia-32 |
| 19:41.39 | avu | steffan, since in the first step, you found out that there is no ready made backport available |
| 19:41.47 | IRCFrEAK | yes |
| 19:41.48 | ZupZupper | or i386 |
| 19:41.51 | Eulex | CutMeOwnThroat, they don't use a normal BIOS |
| 19:41.51 | IRCFrEAK | yes |
| 19:41.57 | IRCFrEAK | i386 |
| 19:42.02 | ranix | wtf ia-32 |
| 19:42.06 | jetscreamer | install lmsensors, then sensors-detect will tell you the modules you need to load iirc |
| 19:42.07 | ranix | is this an itanium processor? |
| 19:42.12 | IRCFrEAK | mmmmm |
| 19:42.16 | IRCFrEAK | with boot camp is posible? |
| 19:42.18 | Spec | In bash, how do I refer to "the command that just ran"....!$ seems to not be what I want :p |
| 19:42.21 | ZupZupper | ranix: someone decided to call intel stuff ia-32 now |
| 19:42.22 | Thomaschaaf | streuner: I did sensors-detect but it still says no sensors do I need to restart maybe? |
| 19:42.30 | ZupZupper | ia-64 is the itanium stuff |
| 19:42.30 | streuner | no |
| 19:42.35 | Eulex | ranix, ia-64 is itanium, ia-32 is equal to ia-32 |
| 19:42.37 | ZupZupper | IRCFrEAK: yep boot camp makes it so |
| 19:42.45 | ranix | !ia32 |
| 19:42.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, ia32 is a synonym for i386 (x86). In other words, if you don't know, this is what you have. |
| 19:42.48 | Eulex | ranix, uhm, is equa to i386 |
| 19:42.49 | IRCFrEAK | because the boot of mac book don't read the partition of debian... |
| 19:43.01 | ranix | since when did this moniker pop up |
| 19:43.02 | streuner | Thomaschaaf: lm-sensors doesnt support all chips.bad luck for you then, try mbmon instead |
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| 19:43.09 | steffan | avu: sorry, I get this error http://pastebin.com/m4c682777 |
| 19:43.11 | ZupZupper | ranix: a year or two back |
| 19:43.12 | ranix | !when ia32 |
| 19:43.25 | ranix | I guess I missed the memo |
| 19:43.30 | ZupZupper | at least that's when I started seeing it |
| 19:43.34 | IRCFrEAK | i installed the debian 5.0 but the boot don't read this partition |
| 19:43.43 | ranix | i386 has only, I dunno, been around for 20 years |
| 19:43.57 | ranix | and now we suddenly need to rename it? |
| 19:44.04 | ranix | hello Paralell ATA |
| 19:44.08 | ZupZupper | no joke, it was disconcerting when RH stopped releasing i386 patches...I was wondering why my systems were never vulnerable anymore |
| 19:44.10 | avu | steffan, you left out the build-dep step |
| 19:44.15 | Eulex | ia-32 is the official name of the architecture |
| 19:44.30 | jetscreamer | ia==intel arch ? |
| 19:44.34 | Eulex | i386 is a name of the first processor implementing it... |
| 19:44.35 | Eulex | yes |
| 19:44.36 | ZupZupper | jetscreamer: yea |
| 19:44.36 | Tead | hmmz... can't find a answer to my boot problems :( can someone look @ this? |
| 19:44.39 | Tead | http://pastebin.com/m76e1845d |
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| 19:45.16 | jetscreamer | wtf is that.. elf? |
| 19:45.22 | ZupZupper | Tead: to state the obvious, your kernel can't find /dev/sda1 |
| 19:45.28 | jetscreamer | are you the bsd kernel question guy? |
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| 19:45.38 | ZupZupper | =) did you install that or copy it over to new hardware |
| 19:45.51 | Tead | yes, i understand, but my fdisk -l tells me it does excist |
| 19:46.05 | jetscreamer | not with that kernel |
| 19:46.15 | macman_ | stew- how do i extract this .img file to the new system im going to put it on ? |
| 19:46.18 | jetscreamer | it's 'probably' been renamed to /dev/hdxx |
| 19:46.23 | Thomaschaaf | streuner: same :( |
| 19:46.31 | jetscreamer | in this new kernel |
| 19:46.45 | jetscreamer | least there was a shift back to /dev/hdxx for me |
| 19:46.47 | SpeedyG | hm, knowing the #debian channel-folks, its so tempting to start asking questions about ubuntu just to annoy someone ... :P |
| 19:47.01 | jetscreamer | get klined eh.. sound fun |
| 19:47.05 | Tead | fidks -l: Disk /dev/sda: 37.0 GB, 37019566080 bytes |
| 19:47.23 | Tead | with sda 1, 2 and 5 |
| 19:47.34 | ZupZupper | Tead: that's from your running kern? |
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| 19:47.39 | SpeedyG | jetscreamer: thats exactly why I thought it would be better just to mention the idea, than to execute it ;) |
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| 19:47.55 | Tead | that is from my rescue boot |
| 19:48.00 | ZupZupper | SpeedyG: msg me if you've got some *buntu questions |
| 19:48.11 | Tead | debian install cd, rescue mode |
| 19:48.13 | ZupZupper | I might be able to help ya |
| 19:48.46 | jetscreamer | Tead: you can try using the grub prompt |
| 19:48.49 | ZupZupper | Tead: so the kernel the rescue cd boots up has drivers for your disk, but the kernel you installed does not |
| 19:48.52 | jetscreamer | hit c, go from there |
| 19:49.03 | stew | macman_: "cp foo.img /dev/hda1" (this is assuming that the destination partition is the sme size as the original) |
| 19:49.09 | stew | macman_: or bigger |
| 19:49.23 | Thomaschaaf | mbmon No Hardware Monitor found!! that means that its not working right? |
| 19:49.33 | Thomaschaaf | or do I have to install something? |
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| 19:49.40 | jetscreamer | or you need to load some modules |
| 19:49.47 | Tead | ok, im going to grub console |
| 19:49.57 | Thomaschaaf | jetscreamer: I have a xen kernel |
| 19:50.05 | naitram | how do you tell what ip ports are in use on a machine |
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| 19:50.13 | jetscreamer | i2c |
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| 19:50.20 | jetscreamer | Thomaschaaf: ah i know nothing about it then |
| 19:50.46 | jetscreamer | cept that debian kernels went BACK to /dev/hdxx, from /dev/sdxx, for me |
| 19:50.47 | SpeedyG | ZupZupper: nah, its not really that I need some help with ubuntu.. its just that it starts to annoy me that this craptop can't handle anything anymore nowdays.. so well, maybe a hammer would help ^_^ |
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| 19:51.13 | ZupZupper | SpeedyG: Lenny with xfce? |
| 19:51.28 | Tead | jetscreamer: im now in the grub console |
| 19:51.40 | jetscreamer | root<tab> |
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| 19:52.02 | Tead | root or rootnoverify? |
| 19:52.24 | ZupZupper | root (hd0,0) |
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| 19:52.25 | jetscreamer | just root gives you the current setting |
| 19:52.38 | Thomaschaaf | if I edit /etc/modules what do I have to restart? |
| 19:52.38 | SpeedyG | ZupZupper: maybe that could work, if it wasnt for the fact that i've just ran out of writeable discs .. :( |
| 19:52.42 | steffan | avu: http://pastebin.com/m18f6cfd1 is okay? |
| 19:53.02 | Tead | (hd0,)0: filesystem type us ext2fs, part. type 0x83 |
| 19:53.04 | ZupZupper | SpeedyG: CD-R's? got a usb stick? Use that |
| 19:53.06 | jetscreamer | Thomaschaaf: that's just so it loads on boot... you can modprobe the modules and no need to reboot |
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| 19:53.20 | avu | steffan, well, try the package and see for yourself :-) |
| 19:53.31 | SpeedyG | ZupZupper: nope, no sticks over 32MB here |
| 19:53.39 | jetscreamer | you mean (hd0,0) eh .. and is that the correct one? |
| 19:54.00 | steffan | avu: apt-get install irssi says there are no newer versions? |
| 19:54.00 | jetscreamer | if so ... kernel <tab> |
| 19:54.05 | jetscreamer | or kernel /boot/<tab> rather |
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| 19:54.09 | Thomaschaaf | jetscreamer: AH! that did the trick :) |
| 19:54.27 | ZupZupper | SpeedyG: doh....got to fry's and get yourself a 1gb for $7 |
| 19:54.30 | avu | steffan, of course it does, you haven't uploaded your packages to any repository :-) |
| 19:54.37 | avu | steffan, just install them with dpkg |
| 19:54.51 | jogla | Do you know how to create encrypted dvds with debian? Preferable like luks does it for usb-sticks |
| 19:55.02 | ZupZupper | Tead: setup (hd0) |
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| 19:55.10 | Tead | grub, vmliniz, System.map, config... or initrd.img-... |
| 19:55.12 | SpeedyG | ZupZupper: well, I doubt this ancient piece of hardware is able to boot from usb anyway.. guess not ;) |
| 19:55.49 | jetscreamer | vmlinuz-whatever.img iirc |
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| 19:55.49 | jetscreamer | then do the initrd command.. oh |
| 19:55.49 | Tead | setup hd0 gives me a Unregonized device string |
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| 19:55.58 | jetscreamer | append the root= to the kernel directive |
| 19:56.02 | jetscreamer | and ro |
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| 19:56.27 | jetscreamer | you always have to use the ()'s |
| 19:56.35 | jetscreamer | hd (0) i think |
| 19:56.42 | jetscreamer | err |
| 19:56.45 | jetscreamer | (hd0) |
| 19:56.56 | Tead | yips |
| 19:56.59 | Tead | (hd0) |
| 19:57.15 | Tead | cheking, all yes, running succeeded and Done. |
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| 20:00.20 | mateusz | Hi |
| 20:00.26 | mateusz | looks like gnome in sid is broken |
| 20:00.41 | jetscreamer | kde4 seems broken also |
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| 20:00.56 | teratoma | i can never get cpu-freq applet in xfce or gnome to actually let me set the speed of my CPU |
| 20:01.17 | mateusz | jetscreamer: no desktop then :P |
| 20:01.32 | jetscreamer | pats icewm |
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| 20:01.41 | mateusz | :) |
| 20:01.56 | mateusz | jetscreamer: well old xterm days came again |
| 20:02.03 | jetscreamer | twm! |
| 20:02.10 | homecable | fail2ban or denyhosts |
| 20:02.21 | homecable | witch one does people use |
| 20:02.24 | jetscreamer | fail2ban probably |
| 20:02.32 | jetscreamer | i hear more about it |
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| 20:04.13 | elric_ | hello there |
| 20:04.23 | smacnay | I am mounting an ntfs external hd to copy some file over to it. I cannot write to it, even as root. I do "mount -t ntfs -o user,rw /dev/sdd1 /mnt/ext1' |
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| 20:04.49 | elric_ | anyone using debian squeeze on a thinkpad t22 ? |
| 20:04.59 | smacnay | it mounts but I cannot write to it... it has been a while since I have had to do this by hand and can't remember what I am missing. |
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| 20:05.35 | jetscreamer | !ntfsrw |
| 20:05.35 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs |
| 20:05.46 | jetscreamer | !ntfs-rw |
| 20:05.48 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 20:05.56 | jetscreamer | !rwntfs |
| 20:05.57 | elric_ | !ntfs-3g |
| 20:05.57 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is probably a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 20:06.00 | jetscreamer | dammit |
| 20:06.02 | elric_ | wooot :-P |
| 20:06.07 | jetscreamer | where's my factoid |
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| 20:07.05 | jetscreamer | !factinfo ntfsrw |
| 20:07.05 | dpkg | ntfsrw -- last modified at Thu May 1 02:19:10 2008 by dondelelcaro!n=don@archimedes.ucr.edu; it has been requested 149 times, last by jetscreamer, 20s ago. |
| 20:07.09 | smacnay | jetscreamer: thanks - new info to me |
| 20:07.37 | jetscreamer | ntfs-3g wants to be mounted as root unless you edit a file |
| 20:07.45 | jetscreamer | i forget exactly which file |
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| 20:08.58 | jetscreamer | this is so old it's still using /dev/sda1 |
| 20:09.05 | jetscreamer | /dev/sda1/home/sda1ntfsnoauto,users,noexec,ro,umask=022,fmask=0333,dmask=0222,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf80 0 |
| 20:09.28 | jetscreamer | oopps |
| 20:09.31 | jetscreamer | that's the ro one |
| 20:09.49 | jetscreamer | rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002 for rw |
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| 20:10.39 | smacnay | jetscreamer: that helped a lot - thanks |
| 20:11.42 | smacnay | jetscreamer: I am just copying over as root - the folks who own it should be able to access the files in WinXP regardless of who I write them as. |
| 20:12.07 | Tead | jetscreamer: got the same error |
| 20:12.29 | jetscreamer | /home/sda1ntfs-3gauto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf80 0 |
| 20:12.39 | jetscreamer | note the ntfs-3g instead of ntfs |
| 20:13.34 | jetscreamer | Tead: that's why i wanted you to try booting it from inside the grub prompt... kernel /boot/vmlinuz-whatever root=/dev/whatever,ro |
| 20:13.34 | steffan | avu: dpkg --install irssi is the right command? |
| 20:13.37 | jetscreamer | initrd <tabkey> |
| 20:13.43 | jetscreamer | choose one |
| 20:13.44 | ranix | apt-get install irssi |
| 20:13.44 | jetscreamer | boot |
| 20:13.47 | Tead | yes, did that |
| 20:13.50 | jetscreamer | o |
| 20:13.51 | ranix | can't go wrong |
| 20:13.54 | jetscreamer | how many controllers |
| 20:14.05 | Tead | euh |
| 20:14.05 | Tead | 2 |
| 20:14.08 | Tead | one onboard with boot disk |
| 20:14.11 | avu | steffan, yes |
| 20:14.18 | avu | steffan, erm, no |
| 20:14.25 | Tead | and one adaptex 3805 with 5x1TB R5 |
| 20:14.25 | avu | steffan, dpkg -i <package file> |
| 20:14.38 | avu | steffan, the build you did produced .deb files |
| 20:15.00 | jetscreamer | i don't know if you have my lovey favorite error that has been around since like 2.6.12 or so.. multiple controllers make a merry go round.. lemme find the link |
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| 20:15.07 | steffan | avu: where would those be? |
| 20:15.15 | avu | steffan, wherever you built them |
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| 20:15.59 | steffan | avu: i see, so <package file> is the .deb file? |
| 20:16.05 | avu | steffan, yes |
| 20:16.08 | jetscreamer | Tead: Disk devices may change on reboot, as seen in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
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| 20:16.58 | jetscreamer | Tead: that one, if you in fact have it (take the addin one out to test) hd0 wil become hd1, no matter how much you change them around |
| 20:17.09 | jetscreamer | a vicous catch22 circle |
| 20:17.14 | jetscreamer | vicious ? |
| 20:17.33 | Tead | so, the best thing i can do is connect the boot disk to the controller and disable the onboard one? |
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| 20:18.02 | Tead | or can i change a setting in grub? |
| 20:18.02 | jetscreamer | turn one off/ take one out, to check.. when i don't have a disk connnected to my addin, it doesn't happen |
| 20:18.25 | Tead | ok, one sec :) |
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| 20:19.11 | jetscreamer | i've found 2 methods iirc: one, use uuid's , two, --purge udev. other ppl have suggested other methods (blacklisting or setting the order the controllers are ddetected/set) |
| 20:19.37 | jetscreamer | !remove udev |
| 20:19.37 | dpkg | if you are trying to remove udev, you must install yaird to replace initramfs-tools as your initrd generator. "aptitude install yaird" will switch yaird in for initramfs-tools. gamin provides fam(file alteration monitor) and is not dependent on udev. "aptitude install yaird gamin". Then, "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" should build a new initrd for your running kernel with yaird. |
| 20:19.40 | wm4 | where does mysql store its user accounds? user accounts as in -u and -p flags to any mysql command line utility (like mysqladmin) |
| 20:19.52 | jetscreamer | nobody really wants to remove udev though.. cept me i guess |
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| 20:20.44 | steffan | avu: all of this has given me 0.8.13-rc1, not the stable release? |
| 20:20.46 | steffan | Irssi 0.8.13-rc1 (20090318) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 20:20.50 | jetscreamer | wm4: maybe ask in #sql at same time |
| 20:21.01 | avu | steffan, if that's the one currently in sid, yes |
| 20:21.26 | wm4 | jetscreamer: no, this is debian specific... I read some mysql installation documents, but they don't seem to apply to the debian package |
| 20:21.34 | jetscreamer | ah no idea :/ |
| 20:21.47 | steffan | avu: can I remove all the files like the .deb etc? |
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| 20:22.09 | avu | steffan, if you don't want to use them on another machine, sure |
| 20:22.37 | avu | steffan, also, if you really want the final release, read the last bit of that dpkg factoid, it tells you about uupdate |
| 20:22.45 | OpenTokix | wm4: inside the mysql-db in the mysql database |
| 20:23.01 | OpenTokix | wm4: there is exelent documents at mysql-site about useradministration |
| 20:23.03 | steffan | avu: okay, what do I ask dpkg? |
| 20:23.06 | avu | steffan, although I'd check the changelog before that to see if there were actually any interesting changes after rc-1 |
| 20:23.10 | avu | steffan, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 20:23.53 | Tead | jetscreamer: you are good! the system boots now without the extra controller |
| 20:24.10 | avu | steffan, but, really, have a look at the changelog first :-) |
| 20:24.12 | macman_ | stew- you there .. sorry i'm at work atm |
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| 20:24.19 | Tead | how do i use disk uid;s? |
| 20:24.22 | jetscreamer | Tead: not good, i went through 3 weeks of hell trying to track that down in 2.6.12 or so |
| 20:24.25 | Tead | for grub boot |
| 20:24.26 | elias | can I change the fs type of a partition from win95 fat16 LBA to non-LBA without any problems? |
| 20:24.38 | jetscreamer | you want to use them in menu.lst and fstab |
| 20:24.47 | avu | steffan, ok, I just did and there weren#t any changes between rc1 and final at all, apart from the version number and the NEWS file |
| 20:24.49 | macman_ | stew- so basically i want to backup a windows hd with a live linux cd ... i want to backup almost all the directories exepct for certin ones .. what is a good coammnd for this ? |
| 20:24.52 | jetscreamer | lemme look for examples |
| 20:24.55 | Tead | how do i look the nubers up? |
| 20:24.55 | macman_ | is rsync the only one ? |
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| 20:25.32 | OpenTokix | macman_: rsync will by far be easiest |
| 20:25.42 | stew | macman_: rsync?, tar? |
| 20:25.57 | macman_ | OpenTokix- .. i kknow how to do exclude .. how do you exclude multiple directorys with rsync |
| 20:26.04 | stew | cpio if you like bad manpages |
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| 20:26.21 | OpenTokix | macman_: use exclude file, easist to maintain |
| 20:26.23 | stew | macman_: with multiple --exclude options, or a --exclude-from file |
| 20:26.44 | db42 | hi, can i do an dpkg uninstall which doesn't remove files ? |
| 20:27.02 | db42 | and how can i re-install a package with apt-get ? |
| 20:27.04 | jetscreamer | tead you can find the values in /proc/disk/by-uuid.. gah .. /dev/disk/by-uuid .. you can use id and volname too.. any of those subdirs |
| 20:27.08 | smacnay | My load average right now (with a mass of files copying to an external hd) is 8.45... is this within the realms of "normalcy"? For this type of operation? |
| 20:27.12 | OpenTokix | db42: why do you wanna do that? |
| 20:27.17 | abrotman | stew: guess what time it is? |
| 20:27.20 | avu | db42, apt-get install --reinstall foo, see the manpage |
| 20:27.31 | OpenTokix | smacnay: yes, usb-drive will generate crap loads of io-wait and io-wait will give high load |
| 20:27.31 | avu | db42, or aptitude reinstall foo |
| 20:27.33 | stew | abrotman: someone just said something about a solo hr |
| 20:27.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:27.45 | macman_ | stew- can i get an example ? with multiple dirs ? |
| 20:27.50 | smacnay | OpenTokix: thanks - I have never seen this much load before. |
| 20:27.54 | jetscreamer | tead an fstab line might look like this: UUID=e56ffbde-0944-4e92-bc2d-6d89d24e544a/jfsdefaults,errors=remount-ro0 1 |
| 20:27.56 | db42 | i have some files which werent handled by APT and overriden by a package, if i uninstall the package, it will delete those files.. |
| 20:28.03 | avu | macman_, rsync --exclude dir1 --exclude dir2 ... |
| 20:28.08 | db42 | i'm wondering if i can do an APT uninstall without actually deleting the files |
| 20:28.11 | OpenTokix | smacnay: usb-drives are shit on crappy motherboards |
| 20:28.16 | macman_ | ok so check it |
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| 20:28.19 | macman_ | one sec |
| 20:28.28 | smacnay | OpenTokix: this could just be a crappy mobo |
| 20:28.30 | stew | macman_: --exclude dir1 --exclude dir2 |
| 20:28.33 | OpenTokix | db42: Why on earth would you wanna do that? |
| 20:28.34 | jetscreamer | tead a menu.lst line might look like this: kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24.3 root=UUID=e56ffbde-0944-4e92-bc2d-6d89d24e544a ro vga=0x0318 |
| 20:28.36 | OpenTokix | smacnay: Maybe |
| 20:28.52 | smacnay | OpenTokix: not sure... but I certainly didn't care about the quality when I bought it. |
| 20:28.56 | macman_ | rsync -av /home/macman_ --exclude Jason/ --exclude stranger/ /media/external ? |
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| 20:29.12 | Tead | jetscreamer: there is only one value, is that correct? |
| 20:29.17 | abrotman | hides from dondelelcaro |
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| 20:29.29 | zu22 | hi, does anyone here speak german? |
| 20:29.32 | avu | macman_, in the long run, you probably want to add an -u too |
| 20:29.33 | avu | !de |
| 20:29.33 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 20:29.34 | jetscreamer | one value for uuid? yes.. two diferent files though |
| 20:29.39 | jetscreamer | f |
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| 20:29.51 | db42 | OpenTokix: didnt' you read ? |
| 20:30.00 | jetscreamer | !de |
| 20:30.00 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 20:30.03 | macman_ | why the -u ? |
| 20:30.04 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 20:30.06 | jetscreamer | sowwy |
| 20:30.09 | OpenTokix | db42: I missed it, sorry |
| 20:30.24 | db42 | i have some files which werent handled by APT and overriden by a package, if i uninstall the package, it will delete those files.. |
| 20:30.25 | avu | macman_, so only changes are transmitted on subsequent uses of the command |
| 20:30.27 | db42 | i'm wondering if i can do an APT uninstall without actually deleting the files |
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| 20:30.39 | OpenTokix | db42: man apt-get, search for reinstall |
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| 20:30.57 | db42 | OpenTokix: how is reinstall good for what i want |
| 20:31.01 | jetscreamer | install to local |
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| 20:31.05 | db42 | i want to REMOVE the package without APT/DPKG deleting the files it monitors ! |
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| 20:31.08 | OpenTokix | db42: shouldnt it overwrite? |
| 20:31.10 | db42 | i dont want to reinstall |
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| 20:31.20 | db42 | how does override help me ? |
| 20:31.23 | jetscreamer | next time install your custom stuff to local |
| 20:31.27 | OpenTokix | db42: Tell me what package you talk about |
| 20:31.27 | db42 | as soon as i remove the package, it will delete all stuff |
| 20:31.31 | jetscreamer | cp it |
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| 20:31.39 | db42 | OpenTokix: it's an APT/DPK question, not a debian / specific package |
| 20:31.42 | db42 | APT/DPKG |
| 20:32.03 | OpenTokix | db42: ok |
| 20:32.16 | db42 | any answer? |
| 20:32.20 | jetscreamer | find out where all the files are put, then cp them ... you can get a list from the .deb i think |
| 20:32.21 | abrotman | for which version of debian? |
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| 20:32.29 | OpenTokix | db42: no, I would just copy the files I wanna keep |
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| 20:33.22 | Tead | jetscreamer: /dev/sda1/2/5 uses al the same uuid? so it could like this? http://pastebin.com/d49b281fe |
| 20:33.25 | avu | db42, if you used dpkg-divert to override the files, you should be fine |
| 20:33.28 | jetscreamer | no |
| 20:33.36 | jetscreamer | each partiton has it's own uuid |
| 20:33.42 | jetscreamer | hence the 'unique' |
| 20:33.56 | db42 | avu: the package doesn't dpkg-divert afaik |
| 20:33.58 | Tead | ok, how do i find the uuid of the swap? |
| 20:34.12 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 20:34.19 | abrotman | db42: which version of debian is this? which package is this? |
| 20:34.28 | jetscreamer | there's a way.. only way i know is to note it when you mkswap though :) |
| 20:34.29 | abrotman | !tell Tead about uuid |
| 20:34.52 | jetscreamer | i'm not sure where to find the uuid of the swap |
| 20:34.59 | jetscreamer | i just know you can |
| 20:35.03 | db42 | abrotman: this isn't debian, nor a debian package, but it's a dpkg/apt question (dunno where else to ask) |
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| 20:35.15 | Tead | ok |
| 20:35.23 | avu | db42, well, "not here" would be a start. |
| 20:35.28 | jetscreamer | you 'could' just mkspap again, and note it |
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| 20:35.34 | abrotman | db42: this is not a general apt channel, ask the channel for your distro |
| 20:35.44 | jetscreamer | he means the program he's jacking with isn't debian |
| 20:35.51 | jetscreamer | or the version isn't |
| 20:35.56 | db42 | ... |
| 20:36.01 | abrotman | no, he's saying he's not doing this on Debian .. at all |
| 20:36.02 | db42 | the general apt chhannel is 5 people |
| 20:36.03 | avu | jetscreamer, he also said he wasn't using debian at all |
| 20:36.08 | db42 | and this isnt an offical dist to ask on |
| 20:36.16 | abrotman | right .. so go to the channel for your distro |
| 20:36.21 | jair | hello guys, if I have a script and want it to run each time the machine boots in debian can I add it to the rc.local? |
| 20:36.22 | jetscreamer | cp the files |
| 20:36.25 | jetscreamer | install to local |
| 20:36.26 | db42 | nobody in #iphone knows |
| 20:36.31 | hugo1976 | Hello everyone, I'm having problems isntalling lenny on a IBM System x3200 is this the correct place to ask for help? |
| 20:36.32 | avu | jair, sure |
| 20:36.39 | jair | I am trying to have my system to connect to my ntp server |
| 20:36.41 | abrotman | hugo1976: one of them, yes |
| 20:36.46 | Tead | jetscreamer: but how do i specify a partition on fstab, or maybe its best to change the exaple i give you :) |
| 20:36.57 | hallowname | hugz freebsd |
| 20:36.59 | avu | jair, for that, you may just use ntpdate, which comes with a ready made init script to do just that |
| 20:37.11 | smacnay | guvcview |
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| 20:37.13 | smacnay | oops |
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| 20:37.15 | jair | avu: really? |
| 20:37.30 | jair | avu: let me check my system |
| 20:37.31 | jetscreamer | Tead: i mostly just had a problem with / ... my other ones didn't have problems, iirc ... each partition has it's own uuid |
| 20:37.42 | hugo1976 | Ok lets see, installation runs ok I choose entire disk with LVM. But at first boot I get an Operating system not found even before grub |
| 20:37.47 | jetscreamer | /dev/sda1 /dev/sda5 .. different |
| 20:37.50 | jetscreamer | uuid's |
| 20:37.51 | avu | jair, ah, no, it comes with a script in if-up.d |
| 20:37.55 | dondelelcaro | I'm going to remove about 100 lines of bans right now; I strongly suggest /ignore #debian MODES; or your client's equivalent |
| 20:37.55 | Tead | ok, i could only change the / then |
| 20:37.57 | Tead | i try that |
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| 20:38.03 | avu | jair, which should be even better though |
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| 20:38.19 | dondelelcaro | again, /ignore #debian MODES is strongly recommended |
| 20:38.21 | dondelelcaro | unbanning begins |
| 20:38.23 | avu | jair, if the interface in question comes up during boot, your ntp server will be queried right after that |
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| 20:38.34 | jetscreamer | we love to watch you work, dondelelcaro |
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| 20:38.58 | jetscreamer | wait put that one back he's an asshole!!!! |
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| 20:39.02 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 20:39.19 | stew | jetscreamer: i actually was just thinking that about one of them :) |
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| 20:39.26 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@unaffiliated/markybob *!*@pool-72-77-22-71.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net *!*@dsl51B61784.pool.t-online.hu *!*@116.43.71.105] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:39.27 | abrotman | just one? |
| 20:39.29 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@CPE-65-26-213-95.wi.res.rr.com *!*@IGLD-83-130-246-250.inter.net.il *!*@shania.wh19.tu-dresden.de *!*@122.34.11.48!##you_have_got_to_be_kidding] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:39.32 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@183-22-20-190.adsl.terra.cl *!*@p5B0D7A88.dip.t-dialin.net *!*@61.105.175.69 *!*@kiel-4dbaad12.pool.einsundeins.de] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:39.35 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@cpe-74-71-143-201.twcny.res.rr.com *!*@cpe-74-71-143-65.twcny.res.rr.com *!*@88.240.152.158 *!*@r75-110-44-161.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:39.38 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@ip24-250-20-42.ri.ri.cox.net *!*@sra83-1-88-163-204-83.fbx.proxad.net *!*@wikipedia/Siyavash *!*@219-84-254-81-adsl-kao.dynamic.so-net.net.tw] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:39.41 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@88.157.78.92 *!*@p549E6388.dip.t-dialin.net *!*@208.88.171.47 *!*@beerland.cs.utexas.edu] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:39.43 | stew | :) |
| 20:39.45 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@c83-250-176-17.bredband.comhem.se *!*@190.38.239.38 *!*@bas7-montreal28-1178023567.dsl.bell.ca *!*@syru144-239.resnet.syr.edu] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:39.48 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@78.191.58.121 *!*@h81172149054.kund.kommunicera.umea.se *!*@iburst-41-213-56-152.iburst.co.za *!*@cpe-098-027-031-086.triad.res.rr.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:39.51 | *** join/#debian pseubodot (n=p-dot@nat.noc.utoronto.ca) |
| 20:39.51 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@cpe-76-95-140-99.socal.res.rr.com *!*@t1-collab02.uncg.edu *!*@c-71-204-155-140.hsd1.ca.comcast.net *!*@r5q33.net.upc.cz] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:39.54 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@r6dp11.net.upc.cz *!*@77-56-86-34.dclient.hispeed.ch *!*@st-216-124-18-10.joliet86.will.k12.il.us *!*@77-56-95-3.dclient.hispeed.ch] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:39.57 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@91.84.38.65 *!*@adsl-074-184-051-105.sip.asm.bellsouth.net *!*@p508EC02E.dip.t-dialin.net *!*@76.Red-81-44-107.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:39.58 | abrotman | blames pseubodot |
| 20:40.00 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@86.96.226.14 *!*@89.34.75.248 *!*@88.236.169.68 *!*@86.105.61.145] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.03 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@201.160.161.86.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx *!*@77-56-95-41.dclient.hispeed.ch *!*@66.0.46.210 *!*@CPE00012e15cab1-CM00194757ed42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.06 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@ti200710a080-0765.bb.online.no *!*@dsl017-096-162.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net *!*@75-105-222-184.cust.wildblue.net *!*@ip70-185-210-170.ok.ok.cox.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.09 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@adsl-76-194-233-138.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net *!*@85.138.146.86 *!*@193.59.53.2 *!*@balticom-196-248.balticom.lv] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.12 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@160.Red-88-18-16.staticIP.rima-tde.net *!*@190.Red-79-145-91.staticIP.rima-tde.net *!*@athedsl-276047.home.otenet.gr *!*@nat-25.nm.e-zet.pl] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.15 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@CPE005004cf995c-CM00122540797c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com *!*@pD954315D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de *!*@84.79.67.254 *!*@24.115.113.177.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.18 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@cpe-74-71-143-81.twcny.res.rr.com *!*@82.200.3.157 *!*@217-162-108-196.dclient.hispeed.ch *!*@trables.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.21 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@catv-56656fae.catv.broadband.hu *!*@HSI-KBW-091-089-095-230.hsi2.kabelbw.de *!*@r74-195-210-183.end1cmtc01.enidok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net *!*@d66-183-237-54.bchsia.telus.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.23 | zinx | yay banclean time |
| 20:40.24 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@c-71-192-179-132.hsd1.ma.comcast.net *!*@81.193.54.61 *!*@220-253-108-216.VIC.netspace.net.au *!*@64.229.245.51] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.27 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@213.13.234.114 *!*@pool-71-255-157-239.cncdnh.east.verizon.net *!*@x64.ath.cx *!*@91.185.242.243] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.30 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@116.71.185.26 *!*@116.71.176.204 *!*@bl10-149-123.dsl.telepac.pt *!*@89-180-212-87.net.novis.pt] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.30 | red_eyes | :D |
| 20:40.33 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@71-89-62-104.static.stpt.wi.charter.com *!*@84.36.157.237 *!*@host86-140-223-238.range86-140.btcentralplus.com *!*@c-67-165-62-95.hsd1.oh.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.34 | abrotman | hugo1976: please keep it in the channel .. dondelelcaro will be done in a moment |
| 20:40.36 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@120.28.141.153 *!*@190.43.47.44 *!*@81.193.44.26 *!*@87-231-12-126.rev.numericable.fr] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.40 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@117.193.33.242 *!*@dslb-084-061-026-091.pools.arcor-ip.net *!*@pool120.tetanet.cz *!*@d86-33-234-163.cust.tele2.at] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.42 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@d86-33-227-128.cust.tele2.at *!*@77-85-153-72.btc-net.bg *!*@84.242.187.228 *!*@64-184-10-254.bb.hrtc.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.45 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@ip24-250-20-93.ri.ri.cox.net *!*@ip98-160-134-72.lv.lv.cox.net *!*@71.237.178.4 *!*@adsl-67-36-182-146.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.47 | jetscreamer | nobody has irritated me enough to note their hostmask/ip |
| 20:40.49 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@c-76-18-112-247.hsd1.al.comcast.net *!*@82.128.33.207 *!*@host110-7-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it *!*@plz.let.me.do.you.with.my.magic-stick.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.49 | hugo1976 | ok sorry |
| 20:40.49 | streuner | hands dondelelcaro a beer for his hard work |
| 20:40.52 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@-dialin.net *!*@d150-91-86.home.cgocable.net *!*@p5B325CE4.dip.t-dialin.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.55 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@159.131.Globcom.Net *!*@24.115.7.239.res-cmts.flt.ptd.net *!*@cl167-092.parabole.lt *!*@p57BB43AA.dip.t-dialin.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:40.58 | *** join/#debian [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.26.247) |
| 20:40.58 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@c-75-69-3-233.hsd1.vt.comcast.net *!*@adsl-67-127-103-207.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net *!*@c-76-99-179-238.hsd1.de.comcast.net *!*@d192-24-252-139.try.wideopenwest.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.01 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@76.19.180.173 *!*@c-76-122-22-30.hsd1.fl.comcast.net *!*@ool-457dd4e0.dyn.optonline.net *!*@c-76-106-168-174.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.04 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@c-24-129-78-95.hsd1.fl.comcast.net *!*@91-67-219-46-dynip.superkabel.de *!*@c-71-198-183-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net *!*@58.60.119.245] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.07 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@88.227.109.137 *!*@bas5-toronto06-1176148802.dsl.bell.ca *!*@78.52.199.22 *!*@dslb-088-068-113-094.pools.arcor-ip.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.10 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@h-67-100-23-44.cmbrmaor.covad.net *!*@as54.tz.dlp454.bih.net.ba *!*@88.193.178.1 *!*@84.32.74.241] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.13 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@adsl-234-108-203.lft.bellsouth.net *!*@200-171-49-211.dsl.telesp.net.br *!*@adsl-234-113-79.lft.bellsouth.net *!*@p5B3650DC.dip.t-dialin.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.16 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@p5B366679.dip.t-dialin.net *!*@f048123102.adsl.alicedsl.de *!*@r74-195-245-245.stl1cmta01.stwrok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net *!*@vex.dreamhost.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.19 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@static-ip-62-75-161-188.inaddr.intergenia.de *!*@91-66-16-71-dynip.superkabel.de *!*@120-216-21-190.adsl.terra.cl *!*@c-76-127-215-196.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.22 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@unaffiliated/zemus *!*@70.44.52.171 *!*@201.170.175.35 *!*@c-24-125-212-113.hsd1.va.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.25 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@67.159.35.76 *!*@212.116.219.202 *!*@202.41.167.246 *!*@bb116-15-183-72.singnet.com.sg] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.25 | Tead | can someone ban that spammer? >:) |
| 20:41.28 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@ti0169a380-0922.bb.online.no *!*@c-71-200-50-186.hsd1.de.comcast.net *!*@ABordeaux-256-1-94-68.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.29 | jetscreamer | i dunno, looks >100 i think |
| 20:41.31 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@201.160.239.17.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx *!*@83.228.82.7 *!*@77-56-84-108.dclient.hispeed.ch *!*@host86-128-6-74.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.34 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@aedreon.com *!*@ip4-83-240-59-144.cust.nbox.cz *!*@88.243.223.220 *!*@85.100.194.69] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.37 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@95.66.74.232 *!*@ip72-207-22-131.sd.sd.cox.net *!*@217-210-198-227-no71.tbcn.telia.com %*!*@bb121-6-141-51.singnet.com.sg] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.40 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@201-66-218-133.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br %*!*@h66.81.255.206.cable.htsp.cablelynx.com %*!*@bl10-149-220.dsl.telepac.pt %*!*@ool-45711b0d.dyn.optonline.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.42 | streuner | Tead: ask him :-P |
| 20:41.44 | jair | avu: hmm |
| 20:41.44 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@c9511e5e.virtua.com.br %*!*@dyn56-188.res-hall.ndsu.NoDak.edu %*!*@h189.119.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net %*!*@201.170.132.222] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.47 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@c-75-71-17-93.hsd1.co.comcast.net %*!*@c-24-91-94-112.hsd1.vt.comcast.net %*!*@cpe-76-178-232-17.maine.res.rr.com %*!*@h44-130.reznet.ucalgary.ca] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.50 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@syru216-163.syr.edu %*!*@tera-24-206-151-230.kw.tx.cebridge.net %*!*@c-24-63-197-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net %*!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ufmg/x-c180b7c741eec594] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.53 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@189.107.97.125 %*!*@77-101-209-6.cable.ubr04.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk %*!*@143.107.19.81 %*!*@c-76-127-209-26.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.54 | *** join/#debian path_ (n=path_@pc-15-190-86-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 20:41.55 | wald0 | scared |
| 20:41.56 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@91.178.97.19 %*!*@88.240.174.167 %*!*@203.196.190.162 %*!*@116.71.174.10] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.58 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@user-54464f1b.lns3-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk %*!*@59.2.98.205 %*!*@91.135.163.67 %*!*@c-71-231-153-57.hsd1.or.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.02 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@dsl51B6674C.pool.t-online.hu %*!*@157.242.70.152 %*!*@dpc6746223141.direcpc.com %*!*@122.109.121.87] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.05 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@unaffiliated/jim %*!*@77-56-86-95.dclient.hispeed.ch %*!*@ip-414b12e3.ct.fixed.ntplx.com %*!*@c-66-176-158-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.08 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@c-24-12-190-159.hsd1.il.comcast.net %*!*@24-148-30-208.mart-bsr1.chi-mart.il.static.cable.rcn.com %*!*@ip24-250-21-88.ri.ri.cox.net %*!*@212.21.251.106.dyn.user.ono.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.11 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@90.154.214.96 %*!*@84.76.133.14 %*!*@41.241.60.0 %*!*@212.200.183.204] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.12 | jetscreamer | greycat banned me |
| 20:42.13 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@iburst-41-213-56-152.iburst.co.za %*!*@P97b3.p.pppool.de %*!*@adsl-75-57-199-237.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net %*!*@201-69-146-41.dial-up.telesp.net.br] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.14 | *** join/#debian benjamin_ (n=ben@193.253.141.75) |
| 20:42.16 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@unaffiliated/anon65 %*!*@rrcs-67-52-47-69.west.biz.rr.com %*!*@ip249-117.undefined.dsip.net %*!*@190.38.151.202] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.20 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@90.163.38.69 %*!*@148.245.87.32 %*!*@unaffiliated/jargon %*!*@5-46-112.adsl.terra.cl] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.23 | *** mode/#debian [-bb %*!*@155-214-223-201.adsl.terra.cl %*!*@86.665.2.36] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.25 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@221.120.97.12 %*!*@r47h169.dixie-net.com %*!*@234.29.185.213.k18628.biz.sta.perspektivbredband.net %*!*@168.187.148.234] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.28 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@66.191.11.5 %*!*@bb121-6-181-176.singnet.com.sg %*!*@box222.bluehost.com %*!*@hst-18-6.splius.lt] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.31 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@pc-193-233-45-190.cm.vtr.net %*!*@76.205.112.246 %*!*@c83-254-146-25.bredband.comhem.se %*!*@PPPoE.198-248.IP.RastrNET.RU] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.34 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@efnet.pe %*!*@c-67-160-239-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net %*!*@dynamic-unidsl-85-197-25-202.westend.de %*!*@62.pool85-59-87.dynamic.orange.es] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.37 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@SE400.PPPoE-4495.sa.bih.net.ba %*!*@ACA4A9EA.ipt.aol.com %*!*@p549346D5.dip.t-dialin.net %*!*@p549DE341.dip.t-dialin.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.40 | jetscreamer | that's a lot > 100 |
| 20:42.41 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@ip72-192-216-42.dc.dc.cox.net %*!*@fylfotsoftware.net %*!*@ml82.128.19.208.multilinks.com %*!*@ti0169a380-0277.bb.online.no] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.44 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@e177139233.adsl.alicedsl.de %*!*@adsl-074-167-191-137.sip.ard.bellsouth.net %*!*@host-091-097-114-244.ewe-ip-backbone.de %*!*@unaffiliated/3tatuk/x-384749] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.44 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 20:42.45 | jair | avu: I am trying to understand and find the file you are talking about |
| 20:42.47 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@c-98-198-123-0.hsd1.tx.comcast.net %*!*@c-75-73-163-2.hsd1.mn.comcast.net %*!*@ool-457504a6.dyn.optonline.net %*!*@muh.cc] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.50 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@195-240-156-166.ip.telfort.nl %*!*@c-69-243-10-152.hsd1.va.comcast.net %*!*@77.104.253.86 %*!*@dhv82.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.53 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@190.144.46.50 %*!*@djd166.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl %*!*@cl167-224.parabole.lt %*!*@vpn-v-549.campus.uni-stuttgart.de] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.56 | avu | jair, /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate |
| 20:42.56 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@jqa-1204-44.res.umass.edu %*!*@199.243.125.92 %*!*@c-76-28-238-157.hsd1.wa.comcast.net %*!*@88.193.178.1] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.56 | *** join/#debian catap (n=catap@jabber.catap.ru) |
| 20:42.59 | jair | what in the hell is all this? |
| 20:42.59 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@adsl-234-103-5.lft.bellsouth.net %*!*@91.87.146.39 %*!*@rrcs-208-125-227-194.nys.biz.rr.com %*!*@89-180-155-170.net.novis.pt] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:43.01 | ZupZupper | jetscreamer: maybe there are multiple bans per line?? |
| 20:43.03 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@ip72-207-20-159.sd.sd.cox.net %*!*@v-8519-unlim.vpn.mgn.ru %*!*@m90-139-26-3.cust.tele2.ru %*!*@ip-89-103-203-38.karneval.cz] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:43.03 | *** join/#debian Garda (n=Garda@115.64.160.167) |
| 20:43.06 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@porn.ath.cx %*!*@cyrus.univ-perp.fr %*!*@staff.freenode.eu %*!*@98.222.102.89] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:43.07 | *** join/#debian flixil (n=flixil@157.Red-83-45-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:43.09 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb %*!*@84.238.96.88 %*!*@33.84-48-116.nextgentel.com %*!*@ip-89-103-55-222.karneval.cz %*!*@l212168.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:43.12 | *** mode/#debian [-bb %*!*@5ad2ef11.bb.sky.com %*!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:43.14 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: it's 100 lines of bans, as I said, not 100 bans. |
| 20:43.18 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 20:43.19 | ZupZupper | Jair: dondelcaro is doing some housekeeping |
| 20:43.22 | avu | jair, banlist cleanup, /ignore #debian MODES if you don't want to see such things |
| 20:43.24 | jetscreamer | hey i was just noting |
| 20:43.25 | jair | I see |
| 20:43.31 | jetscreamer | not complaigning |
| 20:43.32 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:43.34 | jetscreamer | ain |
| 20:43.43 | ebilpanda | hello. I'm trying to install lenny beside a winxp setup but the installer can't detect my hard drive. I've tried a network install and a hd-media install and both ran into the same problem. ironically, in my latest attempt; GRUB, initrd, vmlinuz and the lenny CD ISO were all on the same hard drive that the installer can't detect. is this a common issue? can anyone help? |
| 20:43.55 | flixil | How can i install ttf fonts by hand? Where can i found a howto that is not in chinese? Thanks a lot :) |
| 20:44.26 | flixil | ebilpanda, I don't understand... which installer don't detect the hard drive? |
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| 20:44.44 | avu | !tell flixil about truetype |
| 20:44.47 | jair | avu: ok so I do not need to have the ntp package installed right just the ntpdate |
| 20:45.02 | wald0 | flixil: cp *ttf $HOME/.fonts/ |
| 20:45.08 | ebilpanda | flixil: now you somehow boot a lenny CD and it goes about installing lenny, right? |
| 20:45.19 | avu | jair, if all you want it is a one-time sync every time the interface comes up ie you boot, yes |
| 20:45.28 | flixil | Thanks a lot avu and wald0 |
| 20:45.41 | avu | jair, if you want your clock to be kept up to date all the time and in not too big steps, install a ntp server instead |
| 20:46.12 | jetscreamer | oh tead it would be ls -lA /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 20:46.18 | avu | jair, ntpdate is not beyond making huge adjustments to your time, which can throw of other running programs, especially on a server-type installation |
| 20:46.23 | jetscreamer | they're symlinks |
| 20:46.24 | Tead | jetscreamer: you are my hero! |
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| 20:46.40 | Tead | ah, i only saw one |
| 20:46.49 | Tead | and that was the good one for sda1 |
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| 20:46.50 | jair | avu: I think that ntpdate will be fine for what I need |
| 20:47.02 | jetscreamer | then you have partitions the kernel doesn't recoginze?? |
| 20:47.08 | flixil | ebilpanda, I understood you, that's weird. Never happened to me |
| 20:47.10 | jair | avu: so I guess what I need to do is get that script and edit it? |
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| 20:47.17 | Tead | that is possible i guess |
| 20:47.22 | avu | jair, the script is part of the ntpdate package |
| 20:47.29 | jetscreamer | but not usual at all |
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| 20:47.36 | Tead | had a openfiler partition of 4TB, it needed XFS |
| 20:47.39 | jetscreamer | or they don't have uuid's? |
| 20:47.48 | Tead | and created an LVM with it |
| 20:47.49 | jetscreamer | even w95 has em i think |
| 20:47.56 | ebilpanda | what I don't get is how the installer cannot find the hdd it just booted from |
| 20:47.58 | jetscreamer | oh you just lost me |
| 20:48.03 | avu | jair, and there's generally no need to edit the script |
| 20:48.04 | jetscreamer | never don't lvm |
| 20:48.06 | jetscreamer | done |
| 20:48.20 | Tead | me too, but openfiler did that |
| 20:48.43 | steffan | Where does 'apt-get install irssi' install Irssi too? |
| 20:48.47 | Tead | and i have 3TB data on that array, so i cant easy start over :) |
| 20:48.57 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l irssi .. or is it -L |
| 20:48.57 | dpkg | ii irssi .. or is it -L 3.3-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 20:49.07 | gravity | -L is what you want |
| 20:49.13 | jair | avu: so how do I know that will be running after boot time? there is not init script on the runlevel I am booting by default N 2 |
| 20:49.15 | avu | jair, (see the README.Debian file that comes with the docs of that package for more information) |
| 20:49.28 | ebilpanda | did anyone here ever install lenny from anything but a physical CD/DVD and got a similar problem? |
| 20:49.45 | avu | jair, yes, again, it's in /etc/network/if-up.d, which means it's run when a network interface is brought up |
| 20:49.51 | avu | jair, which usually happens on boot :) |
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| 20:50.47 | jair | avu: but how will the ntpdate knows where to syncronize with? the server I have is on my datacenter is debian too running ntp server |
| 20:50.54 | avu | jair, for more information, again, read the package's README.Debian and maybe the manpage of ifupdow |
| 20:50.57 | jair | for example 10.66.17.210 |
| 20:51.12 | ebilpanda | does kernel 2.6 abandon support for PATA hard drives? |
| 20:51.18 | abrotman | no |
| 20:51.19 | avu | jair, really, read those docs, they answer that question as well :) |
| 20:51.23 | ebilpanda | hmm |
| 20:51.30 | jair | avu: ok Thanks |
| 20:51.31 | jetscreamer | i've had that, or similar, ebilpanda ... for me (and it wasn't lenny stable, it might have been a lenny nightly, long ago) and it was a bad installer version... bad burn maybe? |
| 20:51.31 | avu | jair, (/etc/default/ntpdate in that case) |
| 20:51.46 | jair | avu: thank you that is what I was looking for |
| 20:51.54 | jetscreamer | the nightly was borked, imo.. go figure eh |
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| 20:52.00 | jair | avu: I will read the man page as well |
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| 20:52.13 | ebilpanda | jetscreamer: I've checked MD5's for vmlinuz, initrd and the ISO. they match |
| 20:52.29 | jair | avu: but it will show me that probably, so that is the file where i place the ntp server of my datacenter |
| 20:52.32 | macman_ | can you use dpkg like apt-get ? |
| 20:52.45 | ebilpanda | jetscreamer: and it's not burned, it's directly from the iso |
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| 20:52.56 | jetscreamer | i had the installer verify the cd, and it did, but still it errored out... no idea, just telling you my story ... hello, i'm jetscreamer and i'm a debianaholic |
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| 20:53.52 | ebilpanda | jetscreamer: well thanks for your interest and help, but there doesn't appear to be much I could do other than check the MD5's, and I did that. but thanks again |
| 20:54.14 | jetscreamer | make sure your hw is supported maybe |
| 20:54.19 | jetscreamer | obvious though |
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| 20:54.47 | flixil | avu, the links on dpkg that you send me didn't work for !ttf |
| 20:54.56 | ebilpanda | jetscreamer: it's nothing exotic, I remember installing sarge on it just fine, not to mention winxp |
| 20:54.59 | jetscreamer | !fonts |
| 20:54.59 | dpkg | hmm... fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis Ask me about <install font>. |
| 20:55.20 | jetscreamer | !tell flixil -about install font |
| 20:55.31 | flixil | thanks jetscreamer :) |
| 20:56.03 | jetscreamer | wonders how the font deuglification howto looks these days |
| 20:56.36 | Tead | jetscreamer: thanks again, I'm realy grateful you helped me |
| 20:57.13 | jetscreamer | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/TT-Debian.html ? |
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| 20:57.46 | jetscreamer | np tead .. i LOVE to point out to the ppl in this channel who treated me like an idiot for 2 kernel versions that IT REALLY IS A BUG |
| 20:57.53 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 20:58.08 | octoserver | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib...........this is three repos in one line right? |
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| 20:58.25 | jetscreamer | no... 3 subsections of the testing repo , more like |
| 20:58.37 | jetscreamer | but yeah |
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| 20:58.47 | jetscreamer | s/the/a/ |
| 20:58.53 | octoserver | right , but each is a folder within testing main right?///// |
| 20:59.11 | octoserver | im sorry, i mean 3 folders in testing |
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| 20:59.20 | pbn | Hi, if I create a /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf file, will it be overwritten by resolv.conf ? Note: this is because some programs complain that /etc/resolv.conf is a broken symbolic link to /etc/resolvconf/etc/resolv.conf ... |
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| 20:59.21 | jetscreamer | uh... not sure, i think they're not suddirs in the mirror, same child level |
| 21:00.01 | jogla | how can i see if exim is automaticaly started at boot? |
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| 21:00.26 | octoserver | im just trying to figure out how the source list is read. I dont need to have a seperate entry for contrib, main,and non-free because they are all in that one line right? |
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| 21:00.38 | jetscreamer | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/ |
| 21:00.49 | jetscreamer | dmesg ? |
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| 21:01.00 | jetscreamer | right, just one line needed |
| 21:01.12 | octoserver | ok cool |
| 21:01.27 | jelly-home | octoserver: correct. There's /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 21:01.29 | abrotman | !tell octoserver about sources.list |
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| 21:01.37 | saing | http://crazytuga.mybrute.com <-- BE A BRUTE AND CHALLENGE ME IN THIS FUNNY GAME :P |
| 21:01.42 | jetscreamer | or look in /etc/init.d/whatever |
| 21:01.47 | jetscreamer | kick |
| 21:01.56 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 21:02.04 | saing | laa |
| 21:02.05 | saing | lala |
| 21:02.09 | jetscreamer | abrotman save us! |
| 21:02.09 | Ricoshady | how do I remove python2.4 to install 2.5? dpkg says python2.4 is "rc" but when I run python, it still runs 2.4 |
| 21:02.19 | jelly-home | saing: you are now being reported as a spammer! |
| 21:02.23 | saing | http://crazytuga.mybrute.com <-- BE A BRUTE AND CHALLENGE ME IN THIS FUNNY GAME :P |
| 21:02.31 | jetscreamer | Ricoshady: update-alternatives .. man it first |
| 21:02.35 | jelly-home | !ops saing spamming |
| 21:02.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: saing spamming |
| 21:02.37 | jetscreamer | !alternatives |
| 21:02.37 | dpkg | well, alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives> |
| 21:02.46 | jair | avu: this is how I configure the file, just edit two things :D http://paste.debian.net/32760 |
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| 21:02.59 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 21:03.02 | abrotman | stew: i think you lost? |
| 21:03.04 | jelly-home | abrotman: you brute! |
| 21:03.09 | jetscreamer | !abrotman++ |
| 21:03.26 | jelly-home | dpkg, karma abrotman |
| 21:03.27 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 42 |
| 21:03.32 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 21:03.34 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 21:03.39 | abrotman | soon i'll catch bob2! |
| 21:03.42 | jetscreamer | life the universe and everything |
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| 21:04.09 | jetscreamer | !karma mwilson |
| 21:04.10 | dpkg | mwilson has karma of 2 |
| 21:04.28 | jelly-home | !karma dpkg |
| 21:04.28 | dpkg | dpkg has karma of 12 |
| 21:04.51 | jetscreamer | !karma apt |
| 21:04.51 | dpkg | apt has karma of 9 |
| 21:05.02 | abrotman | jetscreamer: msg the bot ... |
| 21:05.18 | Pnux | hey, is anything wrong with the testing repos? i have 12 packages "blocked" by aptitude |
| 21:05.23 | stew | abrotman: does that count since that isp wasn't on the banlist before? |
| 21:05.25 | avu | jair, looks about right.. |
| 21:05.27 | stew | Pnux: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 21:05.50 | amphi | Pnux: you mean kept back? |
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| 21:06.25 | Pnux | amphi: no idea, im spanish speaker and dont know the actual english term |
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| 21:06.36 | jair | avu: but what I could not find is the read me document you were talking about, I look at the man page but it does have more options for running ntpdate. But not about the "/etc/default/ntpdate" file where did you find the read me debian doc? |
| 21:07.08 | jetscreamer | gd |
| 21:07.19 | jetscreamer | goes off to cry |
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| 21:07.33 | Pnux | stew, ill do the pastebin in 4 mins after i finish updating |
| 21:07.43 | jetscreamer | not debian related |
| 21:07.48 | jelly-home | good for the soul |
| 21:07.49 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 21:08.53 | flixil | The section files on xorg.conf is no longer there... Is there in an other file or is just that Xorg guesses where it is? |
| 21:09.01 | abrotman | stew: i guess not .. drat |
| 21:09.05 | jetscreamer | xorg is autodetect now |
| 21:09.12 | jetscreamer | xorg.conf is mostly empty |
| 21:09.17 | jetscreamer | you can add stuff |
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| 21:09.39 | Pnux | stew: http://pastebin.com/d75f54c7d line 41 has the list of those packages |
| 21:09.40 | batcoder-7 | when you control z something how do you get back into it like it was before you control z'd it ? |
| 21:09.47 | jelly-home | batcoder-7: fg |
| 21:09.54 | batcoder-7 | fg? |
| 21:09.55 | flixil | If I add a section on Xorg.conf, then only what i write on the section will take effect or also what Xorg guessed? |
| 21:09.58 | jetscreamer | type it |
| 21:09.58 | jelly-home | batcoder-7: fg! |
| 21:10.13 | jetscreamer | not sure flixil .. was just wondering that |
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| 21:10.24 | jetscreamer | probably just add, but i do not know |
| 21:10.30 | batcoder-7 | i did type it and there is man page for it |
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| 21:11.18 | flixil | jetscreamer, I'm just trying to get nice chinese characters printed even if they are big. Do you know of an specific document where I should take a look? |
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| 21:12.31 | jetscreamer | fonts are a mystery to me.. i just install a lot of them till the little boxes go away |
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| 21:12.44 | jelly-home | flixil: printed on paper? |
| 21:12.47 | jetscreamer | actually i look up the font code from the little boxes and install |
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| 21:13.13 | jelly-home | flixil: or shown in an app? |
| 21:13.20 | flixil | jelly-home, just on a java app |
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| 21:15.12 | jetscreamer | i don't remember a sun chinese font.. or do i |
| 21:15.17 | jelly-home | flixil: is it a freely available app? |
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| 21:15.37 | denemee | slaps [biabia] around with a small 50lb Unix Manual |
| 21:15.37 | jelly-home | no need for "sun" fonts, Swing does ttf. |
| 21:16.15 | flixil | jelly-home, there exists ZDT that i wanna test |
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| 21:17.25 | flixil | Well... I was just following this link http://wiki.linux.org.hk/w/Make_Debian_support_Chinese_(eng) where they say that newsung fonts are the prettier... But as it was done for old debian I'm quite stuck |
| 21:17.50 | Pnux | hey, is anything wrong with the testing repos? i have 12 packages "kept back" by aptitude. You can see in line 41 (here: http://pastebin.com/d75f54c7d ) a list of those packages |
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| 21:17.59 | flixil | I installed xfstt and xlsfonts doesn't show any ttf font |
| 21:18.20 | flixil | even after restarting X and xfstt (and after installing all the ttf fonts of apt) |
| 21:18.23 | jelly-home | flixil: are you using a JRE from Debian? |
| 21:18.36 | abrotman | Pnux: try aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 21:18.55 | flixil | I haven't installed JRE yet :P I'm just trying to get xlsfonts to tell me that i got ttf fonts |
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| 21:19.07 | Pnux | abrotman: will do in a sec, installing something at the moment |
| 21:19.15 | flixil | I never used ttf fonts as for english normal fonts are nice enough |
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| 21:19.31 | jelly-home | flixil: er... just how do you know your app doesn't work, if you don't have a jre? |
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| 21:20.42 | flixil | jelly-home, Probably that should be the first movement, yes... |
| 21:20.50 | jelly-home | wtf. |
| 21:21.27 | jelly-home | flixil: Yes. Please do try to have an actual problem before asking for help with it. |
| 21:22.54 | flixil | jelly-home, Btw, during my debian install I said that i had no windows for the timer, and later I installed one and screwed the timer. How can i revert that? |
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| 21:24.08 | Pnux | abrotman: that worked for 8 packages, i still have 4 (all from amarok) thoughç |
| 21:24.22 | jelly-home | flixil: sorry, I've no idea what timer you're talking about? |
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| 21:24.35 | jelly-home | flixil: can you rephrase the question? |
| 21:25.58 | iLLf8d | greetings all can anyone in channel please tell me the name of the wireless gnome panel applet with the multiple blue bars and network selection in debian? apparently something ate it |
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| 21:26.08 | avu | jair, where you find the docs of any package on debian, /usr/share/doc/<package>/ |
| 21:26.59 | valdyn | flixil: why the hell would you care if xlsfonts lists *any* font? |
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| 21:27.27 | ZupZupper | iLLf8d: network-manager? |
| 21:27.50 | flixil | I'll gladly. During the debian testing install, I was presented with a question while configuring the time hour about if I had another system that would use the pc timer in a different way than linux (something about UTC). I said no, but afterwards I was forced to install windows, and there (in windows) I changed the system time (probably changed the bios time). Whenever I change the time in debian now it changes in windows. Can |
| 21:27.50 | flixil | I say to linux to stop adding time in the system clock, so forget about my UTC+1 zone? Thanks |
| 21:28.36 | valdyn | flixil: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 21:29.19 | valdyn | !dst |
| 21:29.19 | dpkg | hmm... dst is Daylight Savings Time. Clocks "spring forward" 1 hour in spring(March/April) and "fall back" in the fall(October/November). DST was extended for 2007 by several countries, most prominently the USA and Canada. |
| 21:29.45 | abrotman | last sentence should read "They screw with the dates every year now, just to make it interesting" |
| 21:29.45 | jelly-home | !utc |
| 21:29.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, utc is Coordinated Universal Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart |
| 21:29.50 | flixil | valdyn, because xlsfonts isn't supposed to list fonts that xorg can use? |
| 21:30.00 | valdyn | flixil: xorg doesnt use fonts |
| 21:30.10 | gravity | It does use core fonts |
| 21:30.11 | valdyn | flixil: and xlsfonts doesnt give a comprehensive list either |
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| 21:31.30 | gravity | flixil: Try fc-list |
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| 21:32.01 | valdyn | flixil: fonts are pretty much rendered and found by apps and the toolkits they use, its a little messy |
| 21:32.16 | valdyn | flixil: and i cant tell you details, because i dont know them |
| 21:32.41 | flixil | gravity, fc-list shows my ttf fonts :) |
| 21:33.03 | gravity | flixil: xlsfonts lists the core fonts used by server-side rendering. That's basically what older apps do, and is deprecated. Newer apps will use fontconfig and do client-side rendering. |
| 21:33.22 | jelly-home | gravity: the real question is what widget is used by flixil's unnamed java app he wants to see Chinese characters in |
| 21:33.29 | gravity | flixil: So fc-list is for fontconfig-managed fonts, which is what any modern app will be using |
| 21:33.32 | flixil | gravity, xfstt is useful then or not? |
| 21:33.41 | valdyn | flixil: not |
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| 21:34.01 | gravity | flixil: It's useful for older apps that don't use modern toolkits. |
| 21:34.24 | ZupZupper | !dpkg network-manager |
| 21:34.24 | dpkg | hmm... network manager is a good way of managing your network settings if you use DHCP or compatible wireless cards. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <wireless connection managers>. Supported/unsupported device list: http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerHardware http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ , #networkmanager @ irc.gnome.org. See also <cnetworkmanager>. |
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| 21:34.41 | jelly-home | gravity: um, xfree86 4+ does ttf even without xfstt, doesn't it |
| 21:34.45 | valdyn | gravity: i dont see a reason to use xfstt locally, is there one? |
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| 21:35.16 | flixil | valdyn, well... I found a probably too much old howto then... And everything got messed on my head |
| 21:35.24 | jair | avu: ohhh ok :) thank you sir |
| 21:35.31 | gravity | jelly-home: I honestly don't remember. You're very likely right. |
| 21:35.40 | gravity | I avoided fonts stuff like the plague and got away with it :-) |
| 21:35.42 | valdyn | flixil: yea, probably |
| 21:36.05 | valdyn | flixil: gtk and kde / qt do their own thing, which might find the same fonts, but they still have their own code |
| 21:36.10 | gravity | Either way, a java app isn't going to be using core fonts |
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| 21:36.34 | gravity | And I'd be very surprised if a modern jvm was using anything but client-side rendering |
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| 21:37.01 | Gnurdux | To upgrade libc, apt tells me apt-get install -t lenny linux-image-2.6 |
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| 21:37.19 | Gnurdux | but i have lenny sources added, yet even if i do apt-get -t lenny install linux-image-2.6 it gives me a whole list of candidates |
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| 21:37.30 | Gnurdux | and if i choose any one of them, it requires updating libc |
| 21:37.30 | Gnurdux | :( |
| 21:37.32 | Evan` | hello, does anyone here work on the iceweasel project? |
| 21:37.47 | klync | which pkg provides glxinfo - i tried searching with dpkg-query, but no results |
| 21:37.55 | jelly-home | azureus uses gtk+, therefore works nicely. I remember having had to place fonts in a weird place for that java widget (swing? awt?) a loong time ago, maybe with jdk 1.2-1.3 |
| 21:38.01 | jair | avu: thank you so much I found it => changelog.Debian.gz copyright NEWS.Debian.gz README.Debian |
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| 21:38.10 | Gnurdux | please. someone help |
| 21:38.30 | jelly-home | one would hope Debian's packaging deals with fonts for java in a decent way by now |
| 21:38.33 | abrotman | Gnurdux: what is your CPU ? |
| 21:38.39 | Gnurdux | Pentium 4 |
| 21:38.42 | Gnurdux | abrotman, i can choose |
| 21:38.43 | Gnurdux | the problem is |
| 21:38.46 | valdyn | Gnurdux: you need a 2.6 kernel to upgrade libc6 in any case |
| 21:38.46 | abrotman | Gnurdux: aptitude install linux-iamge-686 |
| 21:38.50 | abrotman | image even |
| 21:38.52 | Gnurdux | The following packages have unmet dependencies. libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.9-4) but 2.7-16 is to be installed |
| 21:38.56 | Gnurdux | valdyn, i have a 2.6 kernel |
| 21:38.59 | Gnurdux | 2.6.17 |
| 21:39.01 | Gnurdux | its just ancient |
| 21:39.02 | abrotman | you've been mixing versions of debian ... or ubuntu |
| 21:39.03 | valdyn | Gnurdux: question is whichj release you are running and what you are trying to do |
| 21:39.13 | Gnurdux | im mixing testing from maybe 6 months ago |
| 21:39.17 | Gnurdux | with testing now |
| 21:39.19 | Gnurdux | thats all |
| 21:39.26 | Gnurdux | i just use testing, but havent updated for ages |
| 21:39.29 | Gnurdux | i dont touch ubuntu |
| 21:39.29 | valdyn | Gnurdux: 2.6.17 is way older than that |
| 21:39.32 | gravity | klync: mesa-utils |
| 21:39.34 | valdyn | Gnurdux: you need a newer 2.6 kernel too |
| 21:39.35 | flixil | klync, apt-file search glxinfo tells me that you need mesa-utils |
| 21:39.37 | Evan` | Ok anyone using iceweasel |
| 21:39.38 | Gnurdux | yeah, i've avoided kernel upgrades |
| 21:39.41 | Evan` | Heres the thing |
| 21:39.42 | Gnurdux | valdyn, i know, that is the issue |
| 21:39.45 | Gnurdux | the problem is |
| 21:39.45 | abrotman | Evan`: lots of people, just ask |
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| 21:39.54 | klync | aah, thx both gravity and flixil .... apt-file, eh? i'll have to read up on that |
| 21:39.54 | Evan` | After running iceweasel for a bit |
| 21:39.56 | Gnurdux | i'll show you |
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| 21:40.03 | Evan` | All the borders disappear |
| 21:40.05 | Gnurdux | pastebin |
| 21:40.05 | gravity | klync: Also packages.debian.org |
| 21:40.12 | Evan` | and it covers the whole screen |
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| 21:40.15 | Evan` | It's not in full screen |
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| 21:40.19 | Evan` | I've already checked that |
| 21:40.22 | valdyn | Gnurdux: you upgraded parts to sid? and are trying to upgrad to lenny now? |
| 21:40.28 | flixil | klync, apt-file apt-file tell me that to use apt-file you need to install apt-file |
| 21:40.37 | Gnurdux | valdyn, im trying to upgrade to a newer testing |
| 21:40.51 | valdyn | Gnurdux: well, dont do that |
| 21:40.53 | Gnurdux | http://pastebin.ca/1385372 |
| 21:40.56 | valdyn | Gnurdux: upgrade to lenny first |
| 21:41.03 | Gnurdux | hmm, that isnt a terrible idea |
| 21:41.25 | Evan` | It didn't do it when I was running etch |
| 21:41.31 | Evan` | But when I upgraded to lenny |
| 21:41.37 | Evan` | It started doing it |
| 21:41.39 | valdyn | Gnurdux: in general, upgrades skipping one stable release is completely unsupported |
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| 21:41.52 | Gnurdux | im not skipping a release exactly |
| 21:41.53 | abrotman | oh jeez .. squeeze is on 2.9 already |
| 21:41.56 | Gnurdux | i have a pre-lenny testing |
| 21:42.06 | valdyn | Gnurdux: testing -> testing in your situation skips lenny |
| 21:42.22 | Gnurdux | anyway, its a moot point |
| 21:42.30 | Gnurdux | i just pinned stable to above testing |
| 21:42.38 | Gnurdux | apt-get -f install still tries to install libc and errors |
| 21:42.48 | Gnurdux | and kernel upgrade still yells about dependencies |
| 21:43.03 | Gnurdux | wait, no |
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| 21:43.16 | Evan` | nobody else has that problem eh |
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| 21:43.44 | flixil | Evan`, I'm sorry but at least not me |
| 21:44.06 | Evan` | yeah |
| 21:44.07 | Evan` | lame |
| 21:44.14 | Evan` | I'm running compiz-fusion too |
| 21:44.19 | Evan` | and I figure it just resized it |
| 21:44.25 | Evan` | so I went to grab the window |
| 21:44.31 | Evan` | ctrl left click |
| 21:44.33 | Evan` | or whatever it is |
| 21:44.39 | Gnurdux | actually it seems to be working |
| 21:44.45 | Evan` | and it seems like compiz-fusion is not taking care of that window |
| 21:44.51 | Evan` | and it won't let me do it |
| 21:45.17 | adama1 | Evan`: try aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade then restart X |
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| 21:45.50 | Evan` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.15 | flixil | Upgrade all your packages of the system to be on your version |
| 21:46.28 | adama1 | make sure all your libc6 , gnome etc packages are up-to-date, and restart everything that is using them |
| 21:47.06 | Evan` | ok |
| 21:47.09 | bozo | hi. i want to install debian with qemu 0.8.2. i use this command line : qemu -boot d -cdrom debian-500-i386-netinst.iso -k fr -vnc 2. i can connect by vnc to display, but qemu seem freezed after the message "Booting the kernel" (sorry for my poor english) |
| 21:47.10 | Evan` | I'm running kde :p |
| 21:47.14 | Evan` | I'll do it now |
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| 21:48.25 | flixil | bozo, have you tried without vnc |
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| 21:48.51 | gravity | Evan`: This happens in both KDE and compiz? |
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| 21:49.01 | Evan` | yeah |
| 21:49.03 | Evan` | well |
| 21:49.05 | Evan` | I don't know |
| 21:49.09 | Evan` | let me check |
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| 21:49.29 | gravity | Evan`: Which one do you know it happens in? |
| 21:49.38 | Evan` | compiz |
| 21:49.41 | Evan` | Checking kwin now |
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| 21:49.49 | Evan` | nope |
| 21:49.52 | Evan` | Doesn't do it in kwin |
| 21:49.56 | Evan` | So it's compiz |
| 21:49.57 | Evan` | D: |
| 21:49.59 | Evan` | er |
| 21:50.04 | Evan` | or emerald |
| 21:50.07 | gravity | Yeah. Shocker. |
| 21:50.12 | Evan` | lol |
| 21:50.17 | Evan` | that's gay |
| 21:50.18 | Evan` | D: |
| 21:50.27 | Evan` | Well I guess I won't do the full-update |
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| 21:50.54 | abrotman | !tell Evan` about gay |
| 21:50.54 | flixil | jelly-home, thanks that app shows the chinese characters perfectly (after reverting all the changes i did to display them) I just followed the wrong guide. Thanks a lot to all the channel |
| 21:51.31 | Evan` | lol |
| 21:51.50 | Evan` | abrotman is also homo |
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| 21:51.53 | Evan` | abrotman? |
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| 21:51.56 | Evan` | aww |
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| 21:51.58 | Evan` | not the same |
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| 21:52.23 | abrotman | Evan`: try to keep it constructive, you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
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| 21:54.15 | batcoder-7 | are tiling window manager any good? |
| 21:54.26 | abrotman | lots of people like them |
| 21:54.58 | flixil | !tell flixil about scim |
| 21:55.51 | adama1 | !tell flixil about msgthebot |
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| 21:57.20 | flixil | I installed scim-pinying and i executed scim and i see it on the taskbar, but C-SPACE doesn't change my input mode as it should, any ideas? |
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| 22:00.09 | Evan` | abrotman: What did you think I was going to do after you had a bot send me a message talking to me about anal sex, why don't you do something constructive sir. |
| 22:00.40 | Nasso | does anyone know if it is possible to run a startup script that runs before the user logs in but after every other service on the system? i dont use x11/gdm/gnome/etc. |
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| 22:01.20 | Evan` | gravity: |
| 22:01.31 | Evan` | I guess I should look into getting some support with compiz-fusion eh? |
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| 22:02.23 | mbent_ | hi all, I would like to connect to a Cisco vpn. I have installed all the relevant things for network manager but, how can I restrict only traffic that goes over it, to a particular Class B range? |
| 22:02.31 | zleap | Nasso, if you use ksysvinit, you can set which services start and stop on boot, can't you add something to the end of that, |
| 22:02.38 | mbent_ | there used to be an option in network manager plugin, but it seems to have disappeared in the latest version |
| 22:02.48 | adama1 | Nasso: you may create a script in /etc/init.d and use the update-rc.d command. |
| 22:02.57 | zleap | thanks adama1 |
| 22:03.12 | flixil | Nasso, maybe /etc/rc.local? |
| 22:03.17 | Nasso | zleap, ok thanks |
| 22:03.38 | gravity | Evan`: That seems like a reasonable idea. Or just don't use it. |
| 22:03.40 | Nasso | adama1, do you know how to use update-rc.d to let the script run after everything else? |
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| 22:03.54 | adama1 | Nasso, you can also do it in your crontab, with the "@reboot" time spec. But I don't know when that runs, exactly |
| 22:04.05 | flixil | Nasso, I told you, put the script on /etc/rc.local |
| 22:04.08 | adama1 | Nasso: yes, just use 99 for the number |
| 22:04.23 | zleap | man update-rc.d may also be useful |
| 22:04.28 | adama1 | quite |
| 22:04.33 | Nasso | flixil, thanks. thats just what i want to do :) |
| 22:04.43 | flixil | It's the dirtier and faster way Nasso |
| 22:04.52 | Nasso | flixil, had to read up on rc.local before i responded ;) |
| 22:05.12 | Nasso | flixil, simple and effective |
| 22:05.20 | Evan` | gravity: yeah but I like it :\ |
| 22:05.39 | Nasso | i just want to run a script that plays a tune on the beeper to let me know the server has finnished booting |
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| 22:06.02 | JordiGH | Is it possible to disable the X clipboard? |
| 22:06.15 | Nasso | flixil, everything in rc.local is run as root, right? |
| 22:06.15 | adama1 | Nasso: I would use crontab - it's quickest, for me |
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| 22:06.34 | flixil | Nasso, yes, isn't that the idea? |
| 22:06.50 | Nasso | adama1, quicker then just adding a line to rc.local? |
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| 22:06.56 | Nasso | flixil, yes it is. thanks |
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| 22:07.34 | gravity | Evan`: Well, try running it with fewer plugins. |
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| 22:07.45 | gravity | Evan`: Those tend to mess things up in unpredictable ways. |
| 22:08.04 | gravity | Evan`: It's entirely possible that one is actually doing what it's supposed to be doing, and you just aren't aware of that particular feature. |
| 22:08.13 | gravity | hasn't run compiz in quite some time though |
| 22:08.32 | mikeX | hello, is it possible to install a package maintainer's configuration file, after I chose to keep my previous one? dpkg-reconfigure does not seem to bring up the question again. |
| 22:08.40 | mbent_ | does anyone know about the network manager question I have? |
| 22:08.52 | t1234567890 | is /etc/mysql/my.cnf supposed to be world-readable? |
| 22:08.56 | dondelelcaro | t1234567890: yes |
| 22:09.06 | flixil | mbent_, never touched a cisco |
| 22:09.10 | Nasso | mbent_, that is impossible to know without hearing the question |
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| 22:09.30 | t1234567890 | isn't it the place where for example the password for mysqlhotcopy goes? |
| 22:09.33 | JordiGH | t1234567890: It is here. Why shouldn't it be? Are you hardwiring passwords in it or something? |
| 22:09.33 | mbent_ | Nasso: I would like to connect to a Cisco vpn. I have installed all the relevant things for network manager but, how can I restrict only traffic that goes over it, to a particular Class B range? |
| 22:09.36 | flixil | Nasso, he asked the question already :) |
| 22:09.39 | adama1 | mikeX: I think it will if you use dpkg-reconfigure -phigh |
| 22:09.49 | JordiGH | guesses that it's probably not the place to put passwords. |
| 22:09.49 | JordiGH | ls |
| 22:10.04 | Evan` | Yeah true |
| 22:10.04 | Nasso | flixil, oh. it was a while ago. missed that ;) |
| 22:10.06 | flixil | t1234567890, in my sistem is world readable and i haven't changed the default |
| 22:10.11 | Evan` | I'll check it out gravity |
| 22:10.13 | mbent_ | There used to be an option for Override Network something-or-rather box |
| 22:10.15 | gravity | mikeX: I don't know if dpkg keeps that file around later. You may have to download the deb and dpkg -i it. |
| 22:10.17 | Evan` | You've been the most helpful in here |
| 22:10.18 | Evan` | Thanks |
| 22:10.29 | mbent_ | and you could put in a CIDR address and all would be chirpy |
| 22:10.32 | mbent_ | but its gone! :( |
| 22:11.04 | mikeX | adama1, gravity neither seems to work |
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| 22:12.12 | mikeX | I've unpacked the .deb now, but I'm not sure which file it is, I guess it's copied from another file via some script |
| 22:12.25 | gravity | keeps looking |
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| 22:13.43 | mikeX | hmm, I see a copy in /usr/share, I'll just use that one, thanks both |
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| 22:14.26 | gravity | It's actually a good question that I wish I knew the answer to |
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| 22:16.15 | mikeX | looking at the package contents, I see it's calling `ucf` in the postinst script |
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| 22:17.09 | adama1 | mikeX: you could try apt-get install --reinstall foo |
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| 22:17.43 | JordiGH | or aptitude reinstall foo, unless you've always been using apt-get. |
| 22:18.02 | mikeX | tried that too |
| 22:18.19 | mikeX | (I was surprised it didn't work) |
| 22:18.39 | JordiGH | mikeX: Are you trying to restore default conffils? |
| 22:18.43 | JordiGH | conffiles? |
| 22:18.45 | mikeX | yes |
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| 22:19.10 | JordiGH | it's something like dpkg-reconfigure --some-paramter-like-"high-priority" thepackage. |
| 22:19.36 | jelly-home | !confmiss |
| 22:19.36 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 22:20.26 | mikeX | aha!, thanks a lot JordiGH, jelly-home |
| 22:21.02 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Does --force-confmiss also work if the file is there but modified? |
| 22:21.03 | mikeX | --force-confmiss wasn't documented in dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:21.22 | jetscreamer | dpkg --force-help |
| 22:21.22 | dpkg | jetscreamer: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:21.30 | jetscreamer | it's force-help, dpkg |
| 22:21.37 | JordiGH | mikeX: it's in the dpkg manpage; supposedly dpkg-reconfigure is also dpkg. ;-) |
| 22:21.42 | mikeX | oh it's dpkg yeah |
| 22:22.00 | AbsoluteValue | What should I do with this: iBook 600 MHz 128MB |
| 22:22.07 | jelly-home | JordiGH: actually dpkg-reconfigure is debconf. |
| 22:22.08 | JordiGH | AbsoluteValue: Install Debian on it. |
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| 22:22.15 | dondelelcaro | --force-confmiss is a dpkg option, not a dpkg-reconfigure option |
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| 22:22.36 | JordiGH | install Debian on a dead badger. |
| 22:23.13 | JordiGH | AbsoluteValue: is that a PPC architecture? |
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| 22:24.04 | AbsoluteValue | Yes, PPC. |
| 22:24.23 | karsten | Trying to create a 17 TB ext3 partition and running into some problems. |
| 22:24.32 | karsten | fdisk will only create a 355GB partition max. |
| 22:24.46 | karsten | Oh, this is on a 3Ware controller |
| 22:24.51 | jelly-home | karsten: you want a different partition table format. |
| 22:24.54 | jelly-home | gpt |
| 22:25.07 | mikeX | jelly-home: --force-miss seems to have no effect at all, I even get a message about _not_ replacing the file... |
| 22:25.40 | jelly-home | mikeX: if it exists, I think that's the normal behaviour |
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| 22:25.54 | karsten | Yeah. parted suggested EFI GFD. But mkfs.ext2 comes up with a "file too large" error when trying to create a partition. With or without a journal. |
| 22:26.00 | karsten | jelly-home: Tried that. See above. |
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| 22:26.26 | FabParma | Can I create a router/firewall using Debian 5.0.0? In more does exist packaces to manage the setting via web browser? I mean something like IPcop |
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| 22:27.00 | karsten | ext2 only supports 4 TB filesysteM? |
| 22:27.02 | jelly-home | karsten: mkfs... trying to create a fs, you mean? |
| 22:27.06 | karsten | This is on sarge. |
| 22:27.11 | karsten | jelly-home: Aye. |
| 22:27.16 | karsten | Gotta split, meeting. |
| 22:27.19 | karsten | I'll be back. |
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| 22:27.50 | karsten | jelly-home: Thanks for the GFD suggestion though, that seems to help. Googling as well. |
| 22:27.53 | JordiGH | FabParma: Perhaps vuurmuur? |
| 22:27.56 | JordiGH | !info vuurmuur |
| 22:27.58 | jelly-home | karsten: you need a newer kernel for +8TB, not sure about the details. And it's _very_ likely you need newer e2fsprogs than sarge |
| 22:28.00 | dpkg | vuurmuur: (netfilter frontend (utilities)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6+debian-1 (sid), Packaged size: 111 kB, Installed size: 672 kB |
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| 22:29.08 | AbsoluteValue | How many disks do I need for a basic Debian install without Internet access? |
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| 22:29.49 | JordiGH | AbsoluteValue: The first CD should have enough to give you a web browser, a DE, and basic programs. I'm not sure if OO.o is in the first CD, though, but probably. |
| 22:30.13 | dondelelcaro | !cd contents |
| 22:30.13 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 22:30.33 | flixil | Anyone can give me a hand with scim? I cannot make it work. control+space does nothing. I'm on lxde. |
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| 22:36.50 | AbsoluteValue | FabParma: Debian is like the U.S. Government--it can do anything. |
| 22:36.53 | eponymous | Hello I am new to Debian. I want to use it as a web server and I am wondering whether I should use the 32 or 64 bit version. Any advice? |
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| 22:37.16 | bpun | eponymous, what processor is ur pc ? (64 bit flash is available) |
| 22:37.24 | FabParma | I very like Debian since years |
| 22:37.30 | azeem | bpun: "web server" |
| 22:37.30 | JordiGH | eponymous: It really doesn't make much of a difference unless your web server will have more than 4 gigs of RAM. |
| 22:37.52 | AbsoluteValue | eponymous: Use the 32 bit version if you aren't doing anything that requires 64 bit. |
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| 22:38.05 | flixil | SCIM! I worked it out... I had to modify /etc/scim/global to allow ca_ES.UTF-8... Wasn't it supposed to be done automatically if my default locale is that? |
| 22:38.07 | eponymous | bpun: 64 bit. yeah not 'web server' but I will run my web server on it |
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| 22:38.39 | eponymous | Are there any reasons not to use the 64 bit? |
| 22:38.39 | azeem | eponymous: it really depends on whether you need any 32bit legacy applications |
| 22:38.41 | FabParma | AbsoluteValue: as defaul gatway I use IPcop, but they dont want grow. I need more funtions, so I chosed to create a my own gatway |
| 22:38.58 | bpun | flixil, now the laptop keys work? |
| 22:39.05 | JordiGH | eponymous: On certain rare things, 64bits can be unnoticeably slower. |
| 22:39.16 | flixil | 对 |
| 22:39.26 | FabParma | AbsoluteValue: thank You |
| 22:39.40 | bpun | flixil, cant see what u typed ^^ .. can u stil with latin encodings ? |
| 22:39.47 | flixil | yes |
| 22:40.00 | eponymous | I just want a LAMP setup for now, but I don't want to be limited be the OS when I need to install other things. |
| 22:40.00 | bpun | flixil, what laptop? cuse i tried on my sony vaio... |
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| 22:40.22 | flixil | bpun, I didn't made my laptop keys work... I made chinese characters input work |
| 22:40.31 | bpun | flixil, ahh.. |
| 22:40.32 | azeem | JordiGH: and usually, 64bits is noticeably faster, no? |
| 22:40.43 | bozo | "qemu -boot d -cdrom debian-500-i386-netinst.iso -vnc localhost:2 -hda debian.img -net tap,ifname=tap0" return "Invalid vlan (0) with no nics" what is ? |
| 22:41.03 | bpun | flixil, what about brightness for the lcd.. did ya get that working? i'd love to get the working on my lcd lamp and battery power that way.. |
| 22:41.09 | JordiGH | azeem: I'm not so sure about that... maybe. |
| 22:41.29 | flixil | bpun, it worked by default |
| 22:41.44 | flixil | azeem, not noticeably unless you do float point aritmethic... |
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| 22:41.51 | bpun | flixil, thats cool.. it must be that my laptop is 6 years old :( |
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| 22:42.04 | flixil | bpun, my laptop is 5 years and a half old xD |
| 22:42.26 | bpun | blames on lamp brightness feature not working due to sony's stubborness of keeping everything closed secret |
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| 22:43.17 | azeem | flixil: or use the extra registers I guess |
| 22:43.33 | martianlobster | does init run the scripts in rc.0 first, rc.1 second, rc.2, third etc? |
| 22:43.49 | bpun | martian67, no.. debian's default is runlevel 2 |
| 22:44.14 | flixil | azeem, extra registers... imho mine just got biggers registers and that's not toticeable |
| 22:44.37 | martianlobster | bpun: so it runs the scrtips in level 2, first? |
| 22:44.52 | bpun | martian67, man runlevel and man init.. |
| 22:44.59 | azeem | flixil: whatever |
| 22:45.17 | flixil | martian67, well... if you go to level 2 you will run the kill scripts of your current level and start of level 2 |
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| 22:45.25 | flixil | and rc2 means level 2 yes |
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| 22:46.47 | JordiGH | Is there no MySQL documentation package? |
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| 22:47.13 | martianlobster | bpun: man 8 init has what I am looking for |
| 22:47.40 | centHOGGr | hi, how can you make alsa load before your networking at startup? thx in advance |
| 22:47.45 | bpun | martian67, so good... rtfm ;-) |
| 22:48.17 | flixil | centHOGGr, alsa loads as a kernel doesn't it? It should load before scripts always no? |
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| 22:48.36 | centHOGGr | flixil: hi, not sure |
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| 22:49.02 | centHOGGr | :) |
| 22:49.07 | centHOGGr | brb |
| 22:49.47 | batcoder-7 | do any of you guys like cheat sheets? |
| 22:49.58 | abrotman | eh? |
| 22:50.09 | bpun | flixil, he's asking a question for a reason.. no need to ask him questions like that |
| 22:50.15 | batcoder-7 | my vim cheat sheet has made it much easier |
| 22:50.19 | JordiGH | Or should I check online for the MySQL reference manual? |
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| 22:50.32 | wireddd | ok, so my hard drive was dieing and I copied everything off of it to a 500 gig drive I had with dd, so now my root, home and swap partitions are all crammed into the first 40gigs of this drive, I want to make the root a little bigger, and make the home partition way bigger, what is the best piece of software to do the resizing with? |
| 22:51.02 | flixil | batcoder-7, i don't like them... I prefere to make my own aliases on emacs |
| 22:51.08 | stew | centHOGGr: what does "grep snd-card-0 /etc/modprobe.d/*" return? |
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| 22:52.08 | Baneo | i've started a process with screen -S so it became a background process, however now whenever i kill it it comes straight back up - how would i go about stopping that? |
| 22:52.31 | martianlobster | when I shutdown my system, with "shutdown -h now", is SIGINT sent to all active processes? or is it another signal? |
| 22:53.11 | bpun | Baneo, easiest is to recall screen session--> screen -RR .. then close its sessions until u reach bash |
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| 22:53.39 | bpun | martianlobster, again "man init" |
| 22:55.04 | Baneo | bpun: worked a treat - thanks dude |
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| 22:55.35 | bpun | Baneo, under ssh it works great.. if ssh is cut.. u can always retrieve the session with screen -RR |
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| 22:56.06 | setuid | I'm having a hell of a time getting my Debian machine to correctly blacklist ehci_hcd... I put it at the end of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist as 'blacklist ehci_hcd', but every time it boots, it loads that broken module and writes corrupt data to my external USB enclosure (a Drobo) |
| 22:56.11 | setuid | Is there some other way to do this? |
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| 22:57.01 | dkr | hrm, with gnome-terminal is there really no way to attach a tab? I keep occasionally dragging a little on the tab instead of clicking which is detaching the tab, now the tab is in a new window and the onyl kludge I came upw ith to re-attach is to open another new tab in that new window, then I have a tab so I can drag back the original tab to the original window |
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| 22:57.18 | bpun | setuid, u might have to disable ehci on the bootline if u dont want to disable it via the bios.. .. did u try upgrading the kernel or updating ur bios from the manuf's site |
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| 22:58.10 | hollywoodb | dkr: I think that's the only way. afaik there isn't a way to tell gnome-terminal to show the tab bar for one tab |
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| 22:58.28 | setuid | bpun, Can't update the bios, and the kernel is the latest there is for Debian... tried that one and 4 previous, they all do it. I'm about to lose 5TB of data |
| 22:58.54 | setuid | I'm reading up on some of the data corruption issues, seems it's either: a.) a bios bug, b.) a chipset bug, c.) a kernel module bug, or d.) fairies. |
| 22:59.01 | hollywoodb | dkr: why not use the keyboard shortcuts instead of the mouse to switch tabs? |
| 22:59.16 | setuid | In other words, nobody knows, and there is no fix, and it's causing my device to go offline, while writing corrupt data to it |
| 22:59.23 | bpun | setuid, what kernel are u using? |
| 22:59.34 | flixil | setuid, Ohh I seem to remember that blacklist was scheduled to stop working on newer kernels |
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| 23:00.01 | setuid | Linux aeus 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 17:57:00 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:00.02 | dkr | hollywoodb: good idea. I've actually been using xterms for over a decade, heh, trying out newer stuff with my fresh stable install. :) |
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| 23:00.59 | setuid | I see this at bootup: http://rafb.net/p/UV3CE694.html |
| 23:01.08 | setuid | So it's completely ignoring my blacklist |
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| 23:02.37 | setuid | Any other ideas? |
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| 23:04.41 | flixil | setuid, I recommend you to ask on #kernel |
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| 23:05.20 | alemanix | hello, and I now I am a bit late for this but congrats to all for the latest release v5.0 |
| 23:05.37 | alemanix | it's always a pleasure to see a new version of debian out! |
| 23:05.40 | flixil | setuid, do you care if the device works slower? (not using usb 2.0 but 1.1?) |
| 23:06.01 | setuid | flixil, I don't care if it's slower... I just don't want data corruption |
| 23:06.06 | bpun | setuid, is the root "/" on the usb? |
| 23:06.09 | setuid | fast and corrupt is not a good idea |
| 23:06.12 | setuid | bpun, Nope |
| 23:07.19 | flixil | setuid, not just blacklist that module but load ohci_hcd |
| 23:07.38 | flixil | the problem with backlist is that prevent from loading ONLY if there is another module available |
| 23:07.39 | setuid | flixil, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist is completely ignored in Debian |
| 23:07.56 | flixil | if there is not then the kernel loads the module anyway |
| 23:08.01 | bpun | setuid, so u have ohci as a module? did u try nousb with the bootline? |
| 23:08.13 | setuid | I've tried to blacklist all of the usb modules, Debian ignores the request and loads them all anyway |
| 23:08.24 | flixil | well... not using usb would have been another option |
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| 23:08.37 | flixil | setuid, removing ehci and loading ohci makes data loss too? |
| 23:08.49 | setuid | Yeah, but nobody makes PCI (not PCIe) FW800 cards anymore |
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| 23:09.07 | flixil | setuid, i don't understood that last remark |
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| 23:09.14 | setuid | flixil, I can't remove ehci and load ohci, because once the machine boots up, ehci loads, trashes data on the drive, and offlines the device. |
| 23:09.27 | bpun | setuid, ^^ |
| 23:09.35 | setuid | Trying 'nousb' on kernel line now |
| 23:09.43 | mosty | i have a weird c++ program here, "./foo" outputs text to the console. "./foo 1> /tmp/output" shows nothing on the console, and /tmp/output is empty. as far as i can see the code only uses printf and fprintf(stderr, ...) - how can i pipe the output of this program to a file (or a pager)? |
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| 23:10.04 | setuid | mosty, ./foo &>/tmp/output |
| 23:10.19 | flixil | if you put ohci_hdc on /etc/modules and ehci_hdc on blacklist does it work? |
| 23:10.29 | setuid | flixil, I'll try that in a sec. |
| 23:10.45 | setuid | Waiting for the machine to come up... it's ~100 miles away from me (I'm on a train heading home) |
| 23:11.03 | mosty | setuid, same problem |
| 23:11.16 | setuid | nousb on kernel line is ignored, and loads usb anyway |
| 23:11.23 | flixil | mosty, are you sure that you don't use the err output instead of std? |
| 23:11.25 | setuid | root=/dev/sda2 ro clock=pit elevator=deadline nopcmcia,nogpm,nofirewire,nousb keymap=us acpi=noirq ro |
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| 23:11.33 | flixil | try with ./foo > /tmp/output |
| 23:11.33 | hollywoodb | mosty: how about just `./foo > /tmp/output` ? |
| 23:11.49 | mosty | hollywoodb, yeah same problem- that's what i tried first |
| 23:11.53 | elik | failed attempt at 2.6.29 :( Nvidia drivers just won't work |
| 23:12.01 | flixil | mosty, put the code on pastebin |
| 23:12.02 | bpun | setuid, can u show me u'r grub bootline? |
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| 23:12.13 | mosty | flixil, i've tried redirecting stderr also- there's no output there at all |
| 23:12.25 | setuid | Soo.... kernel args are ignored, blacklist is ignored, and nothing I can do stops usb from working |
| 23:12.29 | setuid | bpun, See above |
| 23:12.34 | setuid | bpun: root=/dev/sda2 ro clock=pit elevator=deadline nopcmcia,nogpm,nofirewire,nousb keymap=us acpi=noirq ro |
| 23:12.38 | simon_ftw | hi everbody. i'm trying to install xen on my lenny server, with 2 lenny domUs. In the xend config file, i replaced the network script dummy with bridge. But now i get a bridge called eth0. I supposed it is xenbr0, like the comments say. when i explicit say the bridgename should be xenbr0, it creates it, but then in the dom0 i have no internet-connection. |
| 23:12.53 | mosty | flixil, i'm trying to narrow the problem down first |
| 23:13.04 | jelly-home | mosty: the app might be checking to see if its stdout is a tty. |
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| 23:13.09 | bpun | setuid, show me the doc for having nosub as a parameter to elevator |
| 23:13.20 | bpun | setuid, that bootline makes no sense |
| 23:13.25 | flixil | mosty, if you put the code somewhere we can help you narrow |
| 23:13.26 | jelly-home | mosty: does running it inside script work? |
| 23:13.30 | setuid | bpun, huh? |
| 23:13.36 | setuid | elevator=deadline is its own arg |
| 23:13.45 | setuid | param=value |
| 23:13.50 | bpun | setuid, show me the doc that tells me those are parameters to "that" kernel.. |
| 23:13.54 | mosty | flixil, i'm not allowed to, unfortunately |
| 23:13.59 | bpun | setuid, it's 2.6 no? |
| 23:14.04 | setuid | bpun, Yes, 2.6 |
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| 23:14.10 | hollywoodb | setuid: why the comma separation of boot parameters near nousb? |
| 23:14.15 | setuid | bpun, And that was from /proc/cmdline, which is the kernel I've booted to |
| 23:14.18 | mosty | jelly-home, i can't see any tty checks, but i'll try running it inside a script |
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| 23:14.44 | bpun | setuid, so look at the doc for that kernel |
| 23:14.44 | setuid | hollywoodb, because that's how its been done for years. Was that removed now? |
| 23:14.45 | rhineheart_m | hello.. how to see how much RAM the machine has? |
| 23:14.46 | flixil | mosty, maybe you don't have write rights on /tmp? |
| 23:14.52 | jelly-home | mosty: that is, run "script some_log_file.txt", run the app in that shell, when it finishes exist the shell and examine the file contents |
| 23:14.55 | karsten | jelly-home: Yeah, we're going to try lenny. |
| 23:14.58 | setuid | bpun, I don't understand what you're saying. What docs? |
| 23:15.07 | mosty | flixil, nope (i've checked that) |
| 23:15.10 | setuid | rhineheart_m, free -m |
| 23:15.19 | hollywoodb | setuid: I've never used comma separation, I was just curious. |
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| 23:15.30 | setuid | hollywoodb, gotcha |
| 23:15.45 | setuid | hollywoodb, Trying a kernel with the same args, without the commas now... to see if that makes any difference |
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| 23:15.50 | rhineheart_m | setuid, any idea? I installed 1.5 G of RAM but only 885 shows.. |
| 23:16.06 | flixil | mosty, if you write some lines on a file on /tmp and then do ./foo > /tmp/file... then those lines are erased? |
| 23:16.07 | setuid | rhineheart_m, Set the mem= line in your kernel at boot time |
| 23:16.11 | mosty | jelly-home, same behaviour when run inside a shell script |
| 23:16.16 | rhineheart_m | setuid, how? |
| 23:16.20 | bpun | setuid, it should be available under ur system pacakge manager.. but probably this is relevant http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 23:16.23 | setuid | flixil, > is not the same as >> |
| 23:16.28 | bpun | setuid, ur kernel bootline looks wrong |
| 23:16.41 | jelly-home | mosty: not a shell script. the "script" utility |
| 23:16.45 | mosty | flixil, yes |
| 23:16.46 | flixil | setuid, i know, and i said > |
| 23:17.00 | rhineheart_m | setuid, where to set that mem= line? |
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| 23:17.31 | mosty | jelly-home, ahh script :) haven't used that in about ten years now but it did the trick! (well, close enough for my purposes) |
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| 23:18.11 | setuid | Ok, changed my kernel boot line, put ohci_hcd in /etc/modules, put 'blacklist ehci_hcd' in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, and now it seems to have at least booted without usb support, and without loading those modules |
| 23:18.13 | flixil | mosty, Well I'm clueless |
| 23:18.32 | mohadib | whats an easyway to download all files at this url? http://72.52.143.80/~trikes/Manuals/ATC%20manuals/ |
| 23:18.42 | mosty | flixil, jelly-home's workaround (script) does the trick, but i'm still stumped as to why this is happening |
| 23:18.46 | setuid | Actually... I take that back. It loaded the modules anyway (blacklist ignored), and just didn't boot up with usb support |
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| 23:19.06 | setuid | So I'm still back to square one: How do I blacklist modules in Debian, if /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist is no longer supported? |
| 23:19.15 | azeem | !blacklist |
| 23:19.15 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist'. |
| 23:19.17 | rhineheart_m | what do you think causes the wrong report of RAM installed in debian? |
| 23:20.08 | flixil | mosty, does a pipe have input? |
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| 23:20.34 | bpun | setuid, i believe ur bootline should be-> root=/dev/sda2 ro nousb <if u want more options check the params text file> |
| 23:20.42 | mosty | flixil, i'm not sure i understand the question, but it would be a useless pipe if it had no input |
| 23:20.53 | svn-up | Hey guys. Is there a way to add multiple repositories (unstable, experimental) to my apt sources and then do something like 'aptitude install "foobar>=x.x.x"' no matter where that version comes from? |
| 23:21.01 | svn-up | apt pinning doesn't quite seem to be what I want |
| 23:21.08 | bpun | just read that setuid's kernel now disables usb |
| 23:21.09 | svn-up | because I want to give stable a higher pin-priority than unstable for example |
| 23:21.17 | flixil | ./foo | cat > file.txt works? |
| 23:21.22 | svn-up | however if package foobar exists in stable which cannot satisfy the >=x.x.x I want to get it from unstable or experimental |
| 23:21.41 | setuid | bpun, Right, nousb disabled usb, but those modules loaded anyway... hrmph! |
| 23:21.51 | bpun | setuid, 1 step at a time |
| 23:21.53 | reisio | trying to get usplash verbose mode on - anyone know how to do that? |
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| 23:22.00 | bpun | setuid, now find out what services are loading usb |
| 23:22.04 | setuid | These Drobo devices are VERY flaky and corrupt data |
| 23:22.07 | Arrowmaster | svn-up: set APT::Default-Release in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 23:22.19 | setuid | bpun, How do I found out which "services" are loading usb? |
| 23:22.23 | bpun | setuid, and get the syntax correct.. |
| 23:22.31 | bpun | setuid, always refer to the doc if in doubt.. |
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| 23:22.49 | svn-up | Arrowmaste: how does that help me here? |
| 23:22.57 | flixil | Well folks, I gonna sleep |
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| 23:23.23 | jelly-home | setuid: perhaps you forgot to /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 23:23.31 | Arrowmaster | svn-up: because if you set APT::Default-Release "stable"; then it will give stable the highest priority |
| 23:23.47 | bpun | setuid, i suspect it's udev |
| 23:23.49 | setuid | http://rafb.net/p/dplEXw11.html |
| 23:24.09 | setuid | This is *MADDENING* |
| 23:24.31 | bpun | setuid, maybe u can tell udev to use ohci for ur drive instead.. |
| 23:25.24 | setuid | bpun, How does it know which module to laod? I'm blacklisting them, forcing an unload in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh as early as possible, etc. |
| 23:25.29 | setuid | Still does not listen |
| 23:25.41 | jelly-home | setuid: what about that initramfs, eh? |
| 23:25.54 | setuid | The only reference to ehci_hcd in all of /etc/ recursively, is /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 23:26.05 | setuid | jelly-home, Re-gen'ing initramfs now |
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| 23:28.31 | flixil | setuid, sorry that it didn't do the trick using ohci |
| 23:28.52 | setuid | This is what I see now: http://rafb.net/p/tafw8q48.html |
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| 23:30.00 | setuid | blacklisting ehci and ohci now, trying to see if uhci works |
| 23:30.07 | setuid | These devices are supposed to support usb2, but apparently not |
| 23:30.27 | rhineheart_m | I have this processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ but only 1200.00 MHz shows.. RAM 1.5 G but only 885 shows.. Ideas please... |
| 23:30.50 | setuid | rhineheart_m, echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
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| 23:31.48 | rhineheart_m | setuid, no such file of directory |
| 23:31.54 | bpun | setuid, try plugging it in another usb port.. |
| 23:31.58 | setuid | rhineheart_m, Load the powernow modules |
| 23:32.06 | rhineheart_m | setuid, how? |
| 23:32.17 | bpun | setuid, maybe the usb container electronics is damaged.. |
| 23:32.21 | setuid | bpun, Been there, done that. It's a brand new device... and flaky as hell |
| 23:32.22 | svn-up | Arrowmaste: I don't think that solves the problem. Specifically what I want to install is the 'ruby1.9' package. I was hoping for a command like 'aptitude install "ruby1.9>=1.9.1"'. It should get the package form stable if that satisfies the version. If it doesn't then get it from testing/experimental |
| 23:32.51 | setuid | bpun, Tried two physically different systems, multiple USB ports... the only thing I haven't tried is plugging it into a hub, which plugs into the physical ports on the server itself. |
| 23:33.06 | rhineheart_m | bpun, any idea about my issues? |
| 23:33.36 | bpun | rhineheart_m, dunno.. maybe wrong kernel? |
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| 23:33.59 | bpun | setuid, what model is it anyways? btw did u see if there's firmware update for the usb drive? |
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| 23:34.05 | Gnurdux | so i upgraded, and am now on current testing... and Gnome wont start |
| 23:34.14 | setuid | bpun, I'm running the latest stable firmware for the device |
| 23:34.18 | Gnurdux | it hangs, whether i log in through gdm or call gnome-session directly |
| 23:34.23 | Gnurdux | even the failsafe fails |
| 23:34.27 | rhineheart_m | bpun, ows.. after I installed etch.. I then do apt-get update then apt-get upgrade.. |
| 23:34.30 | setuid | Gnurdux, nvidia driver? |
| 23:34.30 | azeem | Gnurdux: anything in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 23:34.34 | bpun | setuid, what drive model is it again? |
| 23:34.37 | Gnurdux | setuid, nope. intel |
| 23:34.38 | rhineheart_m | bpun, do you think it causes the problem |
| 23:34.54 | setuid | bpun, It has 4 drives in it... various sizes/models. |
| 23:35.00 | Gnurdux | lemme check azeem; need to find where terminal is in KDE menu lol |
| 23:35.27 | rhineheart_m | how to check whether I have the wrong kernel or not? |
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| 23:35.46 | Gnurdux | azeem, all i see in .xsession-errors is from this kde session |
| 23:35.53 | setuid | The "wrong" kernel? cat /proc/cpuinfo, cat /proc/version, uname -a |
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| 23:36.16 | Gnurdux | when i called gnome-session from console, i also didnt see any messages of interest |
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| 23:36.32 | rhineheart_m | cpu MHz 2000.020 |
| 23:36.32 | rhineheart_m | but onlt 1200 shows |
| 23:36.59 | setuid | rhineheart_m, You're in low-power mode |
| 23:37.03 | azeem | Gnurdux: pastebin the whole output of gnome-session |
| 23:37.05 | setuid | i.e. 'powersave' or 'ondemand' scaling |
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| 23:37.09 | setuid | So change the scaling |
| 23:37.18 | rhineheart_m | and Linux version 2.6.18-6-486 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 Sat Dec 27 08:57:46 UTC 2008 |
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| 23:37.24 | rhineheart_m | how to change the scaling? |
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| 23:37.42 | dbbolton | what is the ideal kernel arch for a k6 processor? |
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| 23:37.56 | abrotman | on lenny? -486 |
| 23:38.21 | rhineheart_m | and Linux server 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Sat Dec 27 08:57:46 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:38.21 | rhineheart_m | ... Ah! I got it.. .I should have been using kernel for amd right? |
| 23:38.44 | hollywoodb | rhineheart_m: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 23:39.01 | Gnurdux | azeem, k 1 sec |
| 23:39.06 | Gnurdux | some stuff might be of interest actually |
| 23:39.14 | rhineheart_m | hollywoodb, No such file or directory |
| 23:39.35 | setuid | fsck! |
| 23:39.48 | setuid | Ok, so the kernel module ehci_hcd is fscked |
| 23:39.54 | setuid | ohci_hcd doesn't support the device |
| 23:40.01 | setuid | uhci_hcd doesn't support the device |
| 23:40.02 | rhineheart_m | what do you mean? |
| 23:40.07 | setuid | So I'm left with nothing. Lovely. |
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| 23:40.39 | Gnurdux | azeem, http://pastebin.ca/1385471 |
| 23:40.40 | rhineheart_m | ows.. but do you think it matters when I used i686 to an amd 64 box? |
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| 23:41.59 | aryah | hi ppl! my guarrdog is behaving strangely. I start mutt, says connection refused. run sudo guarddog and click apply without touching a thing, mutt again and everything is fine??? |
| 23:43.22 | Gnurdux | azeem, is any of tat interesting? |
| 23:43.27 | hollywoodb | rhineheart_m: do you have command `cpufreq-info` ? what does it say for "current policy" ? |
| 23:43.29 | rhineheart_m | does it matter if I use i686 to an amd 64 box? |
| 23:43.53 | rhineheart_m | hollywoodb, -bash: cpufreq-info: command not found |
| 23:44.07 | azeem | Gnurdux: not much, no |
| 23:44.17 | aryah | also, how do I tell gnu screen to start some window in a group from console? i have newsbeuter in a screen window group 3 and would like him to spawn elinks in the same group screen -t elinks elinks spawns it in the first group instead? |
| 23:45.41 | hollywoodb | rhineheart_m: you can use i686 or amd64 on your processor. if `cat /proc/cpuinfo` says that you're running at a lower frequency than what's available it is probably just cpu scaling |
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| 23:46.32 | bpun | setuid, u never answered the question.. what model is it? |
| 23:46.47 | setuid | bpun, Drobo2 |
| 23:47.09 | setuid | http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/07/08/drobo-2-revealed-dual-firewire-800-ports/ |
| 23:47.10 | setuid | that device |
| 23:47.11 | setuid | ^^ |
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| 23:47.39 | bpun | setuid, do u have a firewire port on ur pc? |
| 23:47.59 | rhineheart_m | hollywoodb, how to address this problem? before with amd64 it shows the correct settings... and it runs softer.. I just forgot I loaded the incorrect CD during set-up.. |
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| 23:48.14 | setuid | bpun, Only 400, not 800. Nobody makes fw800 PCI cards, so I'm out of luck. My server has 1 PCIe slot, taken up by my video card |
| 23:48.17 | setuid | So I can't use that |
| 23:48.43 | hollywoodb | rhineheart_m: well, you would need to reinstall. your kernel and everything installed are 32-bit. if you use the amd64 disc you will install 64-bit. it isn't as simple as just switching the kernel |
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| 23:49.09 | jetscreamer | you 'can' just switch the kernel, but the userspace is still 32bit |
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| 23:50.12 | setuid | damnit! |
| 23:50.27 | setuid | None of the usb drivers work reliably |
| 23:50.42 | bpun | setuid, i dont know.. what's the motherboard? |
| 23:51.00 | setuid | bpun, Not sure, how can I tell? (I'm 60 miles from home) |
| 23:51.24 | setuid | Seems to be a few hundred thousand people with the same kernel/usb issues |
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| 23:51.29 | setuid | nobody has a fix, and this goes back years |
| 23:52.41 | jetscreamer | Can I `apt-get arch-upgrade` from an already installed i386 debian? |
| 23:52.41 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.57 | setuid | The Drobo itself runs Linux, I wonder if there's some incompatibility on that side |
| 23:54.41 | bpun | setuid, lshal |
| 23:55.16 | bpun | setuid, system.hardware.product |
| 23:56.57 | aryah | :layout select news |
| 23:56.59 | aryah | sry |
| 23:58.17 | setuid | # lshal | grep system.hardware.prod |
| 23:58.17 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:59.37 | martianlobster | can someone explain to me what is the significance of amount of time for the interupt timer is? ie. what is the significance of one jiffie? Does this mean that the CPU runs machine code in time slices of one jiffie per time slice? |
