| 00:00.27 | CcSsNET | might wana ask #hardware |
| 00:00.38 | bpun | martianlobster, again.. it depends on architecture.. and many dependent variables.. it's better to go buy a book about it |
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| 00:01.48 | bpun | setuid, lshal |less .. see if there's anything else.. or use dmesg |
| 00:02.35 | martianlobster | bpun: I have been googling this for a couple of days, and sourting through header files. It seems that many people talk about it, but no one says why it is important. Do you have a particular book in mind? |
| 00:02.39 | bpun | setuid, and if ur 60 miles from home.. i dont see how u can be changing the cable |
| 00:02.43 | bpun | setuid, doofus :) |
| 00:02.54 | setuid | bpun, changing what cable? |
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| 00:03.25 | bpun | martianlobster, probably "linux devices" (google unix bookshelf) |
| 00:03.32 | martianlobster | ok I will check it out |
| 00:04.05 | setuid | shuts the server down, fsck it. |
| 00:05.50 | setuid | I'll just rebuild the fscking thing using an external SATA enclosure and LVM... Drobo my ass. Such flaky stuff. I hope I can retrieve the data off of the drives... it's 5TB of critical material (the whole point of RAID, but not when the device trashes all the drives at once!) |
| 00:06.47 | bpun | setuid, since drobo2 is $$.. why not just get another bare knucked system ? |
| 00:07.13 | setuid | bpun, You mean another server to plug the Drobo into? Or something to replace the Drobo? |
| 00:07.22 | bpun | setuid, bring drobo to the shop with a linux boot cd :) |
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| 00:08.18 | bpun | setuid, and with firewire800 support |
| 00:08.44 | setuid | I've got plenty of other Linux machines to plug it into... but I don't know if the problem is the device, the OS on the device, the firmware, the cabling, the driver, the system I'm plugging it into, the mobo, the bios, the kernel driver, or what. |
| 00:08.57 | bpun | setuid, heck just yank the drives right out and plug them directly to the new bare knucke system.. |
| 00:09.19 | setuid | bpun, Can't do that... the Drobo has it's own proprietary data leveling format across the drives |
| 00:09.34 | setuid | It's ext3 on the drives themselves, but they're layered in a proprietary way |
| 00:09.49 | AbsoluteValue | Problem |
| 00:09.53 | setuid | The only way is to pull all the drives, and plug them into an identical drobo in the same order |
| 00:10.39 | setuid | I'll try building a clean upstream kernel and boot to that. |
| 00:11.05 | AbsoluteValue | Internet Explorer 7 stopped making progress on downloading the Debian PPC install CD (646 MB) at 81%! It isn't doing anything anymore. |
| 00:11.40 | AbsoluteValue | I know most people do a net install. But the iBook I have to install on can't get online right now. :( |
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| 00:11.57 | mpeter | bsd kernel??? |
| 00:12.05 | mpeter | how well does it work |
| 00:12.10 | setuid | mpeter, old news |
| 00:12.26 | bpun | AbsoluteValue, dont use internet explorer.. use firefox |
| 00:12.32 | mpeter | it's news to me |
| 00:12.44 | setuid | mpeter, Other distros have been doing this for awhile |
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| 00:12.54 | mpeter | which ones |
| 00:13.01 | setuid | mpeter, Gentoo for one |
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| 00:13.16 | mpeter | i want arch with a bsd kernel |
| 00:13.25 | mpeter | damn that would be sweet |
| 00:13.30 | setuid | mpeter, What in the normal Debian kernel isn't working for you? |
| 00:13.34 | dmarkey | what package is usleep in on debian |
| 00:13.43 | mpeter | i prefer bsd, running a server over here |
| 00:13.56 | cafuego | !find bin/usleep |
| 00:14.46 | cafuego | setuid: Don't think of it as the Linux ekrnel sucking, think of it as the BSD package system sucking ;-) |
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| 00:15.04 | mpeter | something about the linux kernel gives me the heebie jeebies |
| 00:15.17 | stew | dmarkey: the library call? |
| 00:15.31 | mpeter | plus who wouldn't like native chroot jails |
| 00:15.38 | stew | dmarkey: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:15.57 | dmarkey | sleep for 500ms |
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| 00:16.04 | mpeter | do any of you guys play assaultcube |
| 00:16.13 | setuid | dmarkey, use perl |
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| 00:16.20 | cafuego | dmarkey: I just wrote a 3 liner app to do it. |
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| 00:16.34 | stew | dmarkey: "sleep .5" |
| 00:16.47 | stew | i just wrote a 1 liner app |
| 00:16.51 | mpeter | me too |
| 00:16.54 | mpeter | it's called "sed" |
| 00:16.58 | setuid | hahaha |
| 00:17.01 | adama1 | yeah I was going to say.... why not sleep 0.5? |
| 00:17.01 | setuid | sleep .5 works |
| 00:17.01 | danil | Can someone with a relatively clean Debian install please run 'ls /dev/fuse' and see if it returns 'file not found' or not? Thanks. |
| 00:17.02 | mpeter | i just type "sed" and then a bunch of cool shit happens |
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| 00:17.18 | AbsoluteValue | Firefox has lost its way, or I would use it. |
| 00:17.23 | dmarkey | wow, i'm used to solaris sleep, which doesnt support that, thanks |
| 00:17.30 | mpeter | what do you use AbsoluteValue links -G? |
| 00:17.33 | cafuego | AbsoluteValue: heh - funny. |
| 00:17.50 | mpeter | i don't mind icecat + noscript |
| 00:18.08 | bpun | AbsoluteValue, the latest version doesnt have the download bug |
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| 00:18.35 | bpun | AbsoluteValue, or use getright on windows to download the iso |
| 00:18.42 | bozo | Why when i use "qemu -hda h1.img -net nic -net tap,ifname=tap0" that work but not for the second vm "qemu -hda h2.img -net nic -net tap,ifname=tap0" i've got the message "Could not initialize device 'tap'" |
| 00:19.01 | mpeter | i don't know why he had to write a whole novel to get that point across |
| 00:19.03 | cafuego | AbsoluteValue: IE can't even download iso and you think FF has issues. |
| 00:19.11 | bpun | bozo, just guessing would tap1 work for the second vm ? |
| 00:19.17 | mpeter | use kazehakase |
| 00:19.27 | mpeter | midori, epiphany, links -G, w3m, dillo |
| 00:19.32 | Gnurdux | i found the bug in the BTS |
| 00:19.33 | Gnurdux | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522370 |
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| 00:19.48 | Gnurdux | it seems i need to downgrade gconf2; any idea how to do this? |
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| 00:22.04 | abrotman | Gnurdux: it seems to be implying that there are two dbus session running |
| 00:22.17 | mpeter | abrotman: don't i know you from somewhere |
| 00:22.29 | abrotman | mpeter: based on what? |
| 00:22.35 | mpeter | your nick |
| 00:22.38 | abrotman | here? |
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| 00:22.45 | mpeter | i doubt it, i don't use debian |
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| 00:23.36 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 00:23.56 | mpeter | coughs |
| 00:25.23 | danil | anyone? it's just one line in the terminal? |
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| 00:26.18 | cafuego | I would, but it seems that the lenny VM died. Again. |
| 00:26.19 | abrotman | danil: i don't have it .. but i don't load the fuse stuff |
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| 00:26.47 | bpun | danil, are u trying to mount ntfs? |
| 00:26.57 | cafuego | On no, it's up but refusing SSH connections. Great. |
| 00:27.13 | mpeter | iptables -L as root |
| 00:27.21 | mpeter | check if sshd is running |
| 00:27.27 | mpeter | if so check its config... |
| 00:27.28 | cafuego | Thank you, I don't need help. |
| 00:27.38 | mpeter | starts crying |
| 00:27.40 | danil | abortman, bpun: abrotman: I'm trying to see which Linux distros have the FUSE kmdl loaded by default. On my own tests, Debian comes with the kmdl, but it is not loaded by default. I'm trying to confirm that. 10/12 Linux distros I've tested come with the module loaded by default. AFAIK, Debian is one of the 2 that don't. |
| 00:27.50 | Gnurdux | abrotman, how would i downgrade gconf and dependencies? |
| 00:27.54 | cafuego | puts the boot in for good measure |
| 00:28.00 | cafuego | !cafuego |
| 00:28.00 | dpkg | you are probably god, or the devil, or available now from http://www.cafuego.net/ and maybe a crackwhore. See also 'cafuego disclaimer', or teh r0x0rxz and Marvin the Paranoid Android, or unfairly accused of redirecting careless newbies to #shell. Also a sell-out. |
| 00:28.14 | bpun | danil, i dont see what's so good about fuse... what's so good about it? |
| 00:28.25 | cafuego | wow, it yet lives |
| 00:28.34 | abrotman | Gnurdux: i'm going to guess you've tried restarting the box? |
| 00:28.36 | danil | bpun: I need it for a software project, and need to research which distros come with it. |
| 00:28.50 | Gnurdux | abrotman, well, this is the first ever startup after upgrading |
| 00:28.54 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm going to add something about your mysql file manager |
| 00:28.57 | Gnurdux | restarting is worht a shot, ill go do that now |
| 00:29.18 | cafuego | abrotman: the defunct sdms project? |
| 00:29.27 | abrotman | yeah |
| 00:29.27 | cafuego | abrotman: How about you add "Don't use it." |
| 00:29.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:29.31 | danil | bpun: If you would like details on why, here's the forum post where we're discussing solutions: http://www.portools.com/node/30 |
| 00:29.35 | beardy | !factinfo cafuego |
| 00:29.35 | dpkg | cafuego -- last modified at Tue May 4 00:01:20 2004 by cafuego!~cafuego@2001:db0:1073:0:0:0:bad:beef; it has been requested 30 times, last by cafuego, 1m 35s ago; it has been locked by cafuego. |
| 00:29.39 | abrotman | danil: why would a distro load modules it doesn't use? |
| 00:29.52 | danil | abrotman: many programs depend on fuse these days |
| 00:30.03 | abrotman | doesn't use any of those .. so apparently not |
| 00:30.11 | danil | abrotman: it seems that debian aims at being more lightweight |
| 00:30.16 | danil | abrotman: do you use mc? |
| 00:30.20 | abrotman | nope |
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| 00:30.24 | pi31415 | lightweight is good |
| 00:30.29 | danil | yep |
| 00:30.31 | abrotman | finds it hard to believe that 'mc' depends on fuse |
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| 00:30.40 | thirst | hi guys |
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| 00:30.47 | jpinx | smells ubuntu users |
| 00:30.52 | danil | it doesn't. it can sshfs, which is a FUSE fs |
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| 00:30.59 | thirst | i was trying to install thunderbird.. but looks like etch cant find |
| 00:31.00 | thirst | it |
| 00:31.11 | danil | afaik, it's optional |
| 00:31.20 | cafuego | farts at jpinx |
| 00:31.36 | AbsoluteValue | It's an iBook with a 600 MHz PowerPC 750 processor and 128MB RAM. Will it run Debian Linux with qemu running Windows XP? Ideally, it will run SIP phone software in qemu (Windows XP guest) and Asterisk in Linux (host). |
| 00:31.36 | beardy | smells ubuntu user fart |
| 00:31.37 | jpinx | judd: versions thunderbird |
| 00:31.38 | abrotman | thirst: icedove |
| 00:31.38 | judd | jpinx: thunderbird -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614d-0etch1 etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1 |
| 00:31.46 | pi31415 | is fuse required for ntfs-3g? |
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| 00:31.52 | bpun | danil, probably this may interest u or u've probably already seen it-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_virtualization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Install |
| 00:32.04 | thirst | abrotman, oh.. i forgot that.. |
| 00:32.04 | danil | pi31415: yes it is |
| 00:32.05 | jpinx | pi31415: no |
| 00:32.12 | danil | jpinx: really? |
| 00:32.13 | beardy | Why not uve? |
| 00:32.19 | danil | hmmm... let's check.. |
| 00:32.22 | SoulSeller | Etch... lol :) |
| 00:32.27 | abrotman | danil: i think you're mistaken .. i don't think many things use fuse at all .. :) |
| 00:32.33 | bpun | danil, i dont have /dev/fuse by default here.. but used the netinst .iso on this laptop |
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| 00:33.07 | danil | abrotman: if nobody used it, it wouldn't have found its way into the mainline linux kernel |
| 00:33.08 | jpinx | danil: not much of use uses fuse;) |
| 00:33.08 | simon_ftw | where can i get a howto for installing a simple xen on lenny? |
| 00:33.26 | abrotman | danil: doesn't that defy definition of fuse? |
| 00:33.40 | danil | abrotman: why? |
| 00:33.47 | danil | jpinx: ntfs-3g recommends fuse, but does not require it |
| 00:33.59 | abrotman | !fuse |
| 00:33.59 | dpkg | well, fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, Samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in Debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace |
| 00:34.03 | abrotman | you know .. userspace .. |
| 00:34.08 | bpun | danil, apt-cache search fuse | xclip -> http://pastebin.ca/1385515 |
| 00:34.09 | jpinx | uses ntfs-3g happily without fuse |
| 00:35.13 | danil | abrotman: hmm.. " Fuse is packaged in Debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels." |
| 00:35.24 | abrotman | just seems to not make sense .. whatever :) |
| 00:35.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | making sense it totally overrated |
| 00:35.36 | danil | abrotman: package means available or installed? |
| 00:35.59 | abrotman | danil: anyways .. the module is available .. but wouldn't make sense to load until needed |
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| 00:36.35 | bpun | danil, i have this /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.k |
| 00:36.38 | bpun | danil, i have this /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko |
| 00:36.47 | bpun | (just the .ko of course) |
| 00:36.54 | Gnurdux | abrotman, so rebooting does not help |
| 00:37.02 | Gnurdux | and it seems i AM running two dbuses |
| 00:37.07 | abrotman | Gnurdux: i'm not sure downgrading would help eihter |
| 00:37.15 | Gnurdux | bug report says it did |
| 00:37.21 | bpun | danil, /dev/fuse now exists after i modprobe fuse |
| 00:37.33 | danil | bpun: yes, but the problem is that it is not loaded by default |
| 00:37.53 | abrotman | Gnurdux: so get the old one and force the install with dpkg |
| 00:38.09 | danil | abrotman: the problem with my situation is that as my program cannot get access to admin rights, so cannot modprobe a module |
| 00:38.20 | Gnurdux | hmm, arent there dependencies though |
| 00:38.22 | danil | bpun: thanks for the wiki links, i'm checking them out right now |
| 00:38.29 | abrotman | danil: so what makes you think that even if the device existed, that you'd have access to it? |
| 00:39.18 | bpun | abrotman, he says a bunch of other distros have it loaded by default.. |
| 00:39.29 | abrotman | doesn't mean they have access to it |
| 00:39.57 | martianlobster | is there a way to send all processes except init, and the current bash shell, a sigterm signal? I guess I could do this with a perl script, and the output of ps aux |
| 00:40.01 | bpun | abrotman, i think he's trying to make an application virtualization program or something so i directed him to some of 'em wiki pages.. |
| 00:40.19 | abrotman | okay .. you kids have fun |
| 00:40.32 | bpun | abrotman, i think he knows what he's doing.. |
| 00:40.55 | abrotman | i just commented that he many not have permission to access it even if it exists |
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| 00:41.15 | bpun | abrotman, no.. he wants to know why fuse isnt' loaded by default on debian.. |
| 00:41.26 | abrotman | why load modules you're not using? |
| 00:41.59 | bpun | abrotman, he's advocating that other distros are.. (he's developing an app) |
| 00:42.09 | abrotman | okay .. and? |
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| 00:42.54 | bpun | thinks to look over the dpkg rule scripts and add a little modprobe.. |
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| 00:47.47 | Gnurdux | yeah, it has TONS of dependencies |
| 00:49.22 | bpun | Impractical. Now, the drive is not recognized by anything other than Linux, and requires backup and restore on behalf of the user. " |
| 00:49.28 | Gnurdux | i basically CANT downgrade it |
| 00:49.34 | bpun | ^^ |
| 00:49.36 | bpun | errored paste |
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| 00:49.52 | Gnurdux | how come this bug isnt a bigger deal, given that it renders gnome unusable? |
| 00:50.00 | bpun | Impractical. Now, the drive is not recognized by anything other than Linux, and requires backup and restore on behalf of the user." |
| 00:50.06 | thirst | thanks abrotman .. it works well now.. |
| 00:50.12 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:50.18 | dvs | boo! |
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| 00:55.37 | Gnurdux | lol, i tell apt to downgrade it and it says it will remove all of gnome... |
| 00:55.49 | Gnurdux | The following packages will be DOWNGRADED: gconf2-common 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 downgraded, 230 to remove and 9 not upgraded. |
| 00:56.33 | AbsoluteValue | Gnome is unnecessary. |
| 00:56.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !downgrade |
| 00:56.44 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 00:56.57 | AbsoluteValue | Just to twm or ice. |
| 00:56.59 | jpinx | Gnurdux: aptitide purge gnome and install lxde ;) |
| 00:57.03 | dvs | what about aptitude? ;-) |
| 00:57.04 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 00:57.29 | module000 | fluxbox or bust |
| 00:57.41 | Gnurdux | aptitude only wants to remove 67 |
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| 00:57.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | progress! |
| 00:58.10 | jpinx | Gnurdux: think of the extra hdd space you'll have ;) |
| 00:58.49 | Gnurdux | i just want to downgrade the package and all its dependencies... |
| 00:59.40 | jpinx | Gnurdux: there is no downgrade facility with apt - that's why I said purge and re-install |
| 01:00.02 | Gnurdux | that seems like such a pain |
| 01:00.17 | Gnurdux | it would be easier to just stick to KDE until an upgrade is released that fixes it |
| 01:00.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | the recommended downgrade procedure is called "replay backup" |
| 01:00.32 | Gnurdux | its weird though; this can't be affecting every debian testing gnome user |
| 01:00.34 | jpinx | Gnurdux: use a nice dm - |
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| 01:01.00 | jpinx | forget gnome bloat |
| 01:01.25 | Gnurdux | aptitude has some ok idea |
| 01:01.34 | Gnurdux | but they all involve leaving some broken packages |
| 01:02.04 | Gnurdux | are there that few debian gnome users though? |
| 01:02.21 | d-b | Gnurdux: what ? |
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| 01:02.35 | Gnurdux | well, given that this bug hasnt caused huge problems to huge numbers of people |
| 01:02.52 | d-b | Gnurdux: what bug ? |
| 01:03.00 | Gnurdux | the one that makes gnome unable to start |
| 01:03.02 | d-b | and well, whats the issue if you first have to remove gnome, do it ^^ |
| 01:03.10 | Gnurdux | apparently has to do with gconf and dbus |
| 01:03.17 | d-b | oh. dbus is evil ! |
| 01:03.51 | d-b | yeah take a look at how ubuntu had it now.... in jaunty stoping dbus gets you kicked out of your gnome session |
| 01:03.54 | d-b | has* |
| 01:04.37 | Gnurdux | well, in Ubuntu gnome starts |
| 01:04.43 | Gnurdux | that is a big, big, improvement |
| 01:04.58 | Gnurdux | so i am just REMOVING all of gnome |
| 01:05.34 | enouf | farts in abrotman 's general direction |
| 01:05.36 | d-b | Gnurdux: yeah but when dbus stops no ones knows |
| 01:05.37 | Gnurdux | then i will install gnome from stable |
| 01:05.42 | enouf | :-P |
| 01:05.45 | Gnurdux | here, it is dbus starting twice d-b |
| 01:05.52 | Gnurdux | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23522370 |
| 01:05.59 | d-b | Gnurdux: oh dear god no ! |
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| 01:07.19 | d-b | Gnurdux: has it been reported upstream ? |
| 01:07.31 | d-b | or is there no point... |
| 01:07.57 | Gnurdux | d-b, does it sound like an upstream bug? |
| 01:08.18 | Gnurdux | isnt it in ubuntu, too, for one thing? |
| 01:08.34 | d-b | Gnurdux: well it might just be a gconf setting then... |
| 01:08.37 | Gnurdux | wow, and apt is taking a LONG time to remove stuff |
| 01:08.51 | Gnurdux | maybe |
| 01:08.55 | abrotman | Gnurdux: is this debian or ubuntu? |
| 01:08.58 | d-b | Gnurdux: either way its a bug. |
| 01:09.00 | Gnurdux | debian |
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| 01:09.13 | Gnurdux | but i am saying, if it works in ubuntu it ought it cant be an upstream bug |
| 01:09.16 | Gnurdux | or is unlikely to |
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| 01:09.44 | d-b | Gnurdux: you would have to try on a vanilla gnome ... |
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| 01:09.56 | Gnurdux | yeah... |
| 01:10.04 | Gnurdux | i think im going to stop it removing gnome from my comp |
| 01:10.04 | ddalton | i discovered at the console (no gui running), free -m says my machine is using 765 mb of ram, how come so much for just the console? |
| 01:10.11 | ddalton | how can I see what is taking up all this memory? |
| 01:10.29 | d-b | top |
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| 01:10.46 | jpinx | Gnurdux: use aptitude - not apt |
| 01:11.29 | ddalton | d-b: was that directed at me? |
| 01:11.34 | Gnurdux | even aptitude cant easily downgrade gnome |
| 01:11.45 | Gnurdux | all its suggestions have some broken packages |
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| 01:12.24 | d-b | ddalton: yep 'top' |
| 01:12.54 | Gnurdux | this bug can't even be applying to all debian users, can it? |
| 01:13.09 | Gnurdux | because there must be a lot of people who upgraded to gnome 2.24 |
| 01:13.25 | d-b | Gnurdux: if you wanted to you could temporarily move your gconf / gnome settings out of the way |
| 01:13.29 | Gnurdux | i would think they would notice the fact that it DOESNT START |
| 01:13.31 | d-b | and see if that chagned anything. |
| 01:13.34 | Gnurdux | d-b, i tried on a blank user |
| 01:13.36 | Gnurdux | new user |
| 01:13.37 | d-b | changed* |
| 01:13.38 | Gnurdux | failed too |
| 01:13.42 | jpinx | Gnurdux: use aptitude and maybe run it a couple of times to clear up dependencies |
| 01:13.52 | stew | Gnurdux: what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:14.02 | Gnurdux | testing |
| 01:14.09 | stew | Gnurdux: did you check the bts? |
| 01:14.12 | jpinx | Gnurdux: what does uname -a say? |
| 01:14.13 | stew | Gnurdux: /msg dpkg bat |
| 01:14.21 | d-b | stew: yeah he did http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23522370 |
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| 01:14.36 | bpun | Gnurdux, did u add non-free and contrib to ur sources.list ? |
| 01:14.41 | Gnurdux | nope |
| 01:14.54 | AbsoluteValue | Is Airport well supported by Debian? |
| 01:14.55 | stew | ahh, ok |
| 01:14.57 | bpun | Gnurdux, add them to each of ur lines |
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| 01:15.05 | Gnurdux | no reason to |
| 01:15.06 | bpun | Gnurdux, then apt-get update |
| 01:15.15 | stew | bpun: why would he? |
| 01:15.19 | jpinx | aptitude update |
| 01:15.28 | ddalton | d-b: thanks, how are you supposed to read it pipe it through less? |
| 01:15.48 | bpun | stew, i think i tried a package that required more that what was in the default |
| 01:16.10 | stew | bpun: you found a package in main that required a package from non-free or contrib? |
| 01:16.24 | d-b | ddalton: its a command it will show you system processes, you can use shift + > (shift then .) to move around to sort by memory usage |
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| 01:16.32 | d-b | ddalton: man top |
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| 01:16.41 | bpun | stew, i think i did.. but i did it over a week ago.. it was probably something to do with hmm.. i can try finding out.. but it may not be so easy.. |
| 01:16.57 | bpun | laughs like a bastard saying he doesn't remember |
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| 01:17.13 | d-b | bpun: so should Gnurdux apt-get build-dep gnome ? |
| 01:17.16 | stew | bpun: if you do, please file a release critical bug |
| 01:17.22 | ddalton | oh right, yeh sorry i grabbed the man as soon as i typed that :p |
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| 01:19.52 | frantik | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/04/msg00001.html |
| 01:19.53 | frantik | w00t |
| 01:19.57 | frantik | i love you guys |
| 01:20.00 | frantik | seriousky |
| 01:20.04 | frantik | *ly |
| 01:20.40 | frantik | that is a dream becoming true |
| 01:20.47 | frantik | using a bsd kernel with debian |
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| 01:21.26 | abrotman | been that way for awhile |
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| 01:23.53 | FrantiK | abrotman, there was a project, but it never birthed |
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| 01:24.07 | FrantiK | it's a new approach.. |
| 01:24.23 | FrantiK | instead of trying to adapt the debian system to the freebsd.. |
| 01:24.46 | d-b | FrantiK: ? |
| 01:25.14 | FrantiK | d-b, yeah ? |
| 01:25.24 | FrantiK | d-b, dont know the project i'm speaking about ? ;) |
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| 01:25.54 | FrantiK | d-b, http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/bsd-libc-based.en.html |
| 01:25.57 | d-b | yeah... its been there for a bit as abrotman said. |
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| 01:26.28 | d-b | its not something that just hit slashdot and started then and there. |
| 01:26.35 | FrantiK | sure of course |
| 01:26.39 | FrantiK | not what i said |
| 01:26.46 | FrantiK | but since the approach is more logical |
| 01:26.53 | FrantiK | it should be working |
| 01:27.08 | FrantiK | and will be a great experience, working another kernel onto a gnu distro |
| 01:27.09 | abrotman | not making sense ... |
| 01:27.11 | stew | its been there shince this weekend |
| 01:27.16 | stew | since* |
| 01:27.22 | stew | depending on how you look at it |
| 01:27.25 | FrantiK | stew, not the project in it's whole goal.. |
| 01:27.28 | abrotman | stew: how does this differ from the previous debian/kfreebsd project? |
| 01:27.38 | abrotman | the one that was deb-ports/alioth or whatever |
| 01:27.39 | FrantiK | stew, that's why i speak about a different approach.. |
| 01:27.46 | FrantiK | but i have to agree with abrotman |
| 01:27.51 | stew | abrotman: that it will be a released arch for squeeze |
| 01:28.00 | FrantiK | morehover or so, it is a sub |
| 01:28.03 | abrotman | stew: so .. the project hasn't changed, just become official |
| 01:28.08 | d-b | stew: wasn't it a possible release for lenny ? previously... |
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| 01:28.15 | stew | d-b: no |
| 01:28.24 | FrantiK | abrotman, hmm, that was not the original approach at all :) |
| 01:28.32 | stew | now the official mirrors will be carrying it |
| 01:28.33 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 01:28.40 | abrotman | FrantiK: what did i say the approach was ? |
| 01:28.50 | FrantiK | abrotman, no, nevermind.. a bit tired |
| 01:28.58 | FrantiK | still, i love you |
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| 01:29.04 | stew | aww |
| 01:29.12 | abrotman | so you agree with me, but can't say what i said? |
| 01:29.19 | abrotman | and then disagree with me |
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| 01:29.47 | FrantiK | abrotman, i'm a man of peace, i agree to disagree but to agree |
| 01:29.48 | FrantiK | :D |
| 01:29.56 | abrotman | okay then |
| 01:30.02 | FrantiK | (yeah i'm kind of a cyber hyppie, sue me :P) |
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| 01:30.27 | FrantiK | still, i can't wait to have my pf sets running :P |
| 01:30.46 | FrantiK | did anyone test that : |
| 01:30.47 | FrantiK | http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/ging/ |
| 01:30.48 | FrantiK | ? |
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| 01:31.47 | ddalton | so when i enter, pressing > sorts by the most mem usage first? is that correct? this is regarding top. |
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| 01:31.55 | FrantiK | /notice #gnu-kbsd |
| 01:31.58 | FrantiK | err |
| 01:32.17 | abrotman | ddalton: when you enter what ? |
| 01:32.18 | superjet_busy | frankie: long ago, installed kfreebsd into qemu |
| 01:32.21 | fookers | hi |
| 01:32.37 | FrantiK | superjet_busy, not the same thing ;/ |
| 01:32.51 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 01:32.54 | ddalton | sorry, top |
| 01:32.56 | FrantiK | ddalton, wich tool ? |
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| 01:33.04 | FrantiK | hmm |
| 01:33.07 | abrotman | FrantiK: how is it not the same? |
| 01:33.09 | FrantiK | don't know.. |
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| 01:33.19 | FrantiK | abrotman, well, it's not ging .. :D |
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| 01:33.35 | setuid | bpun, ping |
| 01:33.37 | abrotman | FrantiK: you're not making sense .. AFAICT .. it's exactly the same, and you haven't said how that's not true |
| 01:33.38 | FrantiK | well, it is in kind of a diverted way |
| 01:33.49 | abrotman | ddalton: or you can hit 'M" |
| 01:33.55 | FrantiK | but it is not the live cd system with the experimentation of "what ifs" |
| 01:33.56 | setuid | bpun, I'm home, and plugged the Drobo into my laptop 9the same one I was using on the train earlier), and it mounts up fine... so it's gotta be either hardware, or something with the kernel running on my server. |
| 01:34.04 | abrotman | FrantiK: i don't think you know what you're talking about ? |
| 01:34.25 | fookers | anyone care to tell me how to read cbr format |
| 01:34.26 | FrantiK | abrotman, he said that he did run fkbsd (iirc, it's the name ?) with qemu |
| 01:34.30 | bpun | setuid, cable issues are the worst.. |
| 01:34.37 | ipstatic | has anyone here able to build the latest nvidia-kernel-source on Sid with the 2.26.29 kernel? |
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| 01:34.38 | setuid | Is there a way to drop an older kernel onto a Debian machine, without building from source using make-kpkg? |
| 01:34.42 | ddalton | abrotman: so m sorts by memory? |
| 01:34.48 | abrotman | FrantiK: right .. so what? the project has existed in debian for three(?) years |
| 01:34.53 | setuid | bpun, Could still be kernel, ports, cables, bios or mobo |
| 01:34.55 | FrantiK | abrotman, but basically, how could be the environnement the same since emulation :) |
| 01:35.00 | bpun | setuid, i thought my power supply was going bad.. only to find out my new one was making a hiss sound as well.. it turned out the power cable was faulty.. |
| 01:35.01 | abrotman | ddalton: M .. not m |
| 01:35.06 | abrotman | ddalton: capital M |
| 01:35.07 | setuid | I need to find a 2.6.18 kernel in .deb fdormat |
| 01:35.18 | abrotman | FrantiK: you're not making any sense |
| 01:35.35 | ddalton | ah yes, sorry |
| 01:35.37 | setuid | Are there "archives" of past, older Debian kernels around? |
| 01:35.39 | abrotman | setuid: why? etch has .18 and .24,lenny has .26 |
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| 01:36.02 | superjet_busy | speed is wonderful... wget http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/ging/ging-0.1.0.iso -->3.67M/s |
| 01:36.20 | setuid | abrotman, Fighting an ehci_hcd issue, which many claim creeped in after 2.6.18... and still remains there |
| 01:36.29 | setuid | abrotman, So I want to give 2.6.18 a try and see if it works for me |
| 01:36.33 | FrantiK | abrotman, if you can reproduce the exact environnement you are using, then the test is valid, can it be done with qemu ? i don't know but i do not think so can it be done : with lot of pain are real booting into your computer and using a vm the same : i do not think so (there is a lot of I since it is my very own opinion ;)) |
| 01:36.35 | pickcoder | heh.. RH5's latest kernel is 2.6.18.. talk about behind the times |
| 01:36.41 | setuid | I'm using 2.6.26-1-amd64 now |
| 01:36.44 | abrotman | FrantiK: you're not making *any* sense .. at all .. |
| 01:36.53 | setuid | pickcoder, There's a reason for taking the safe route |
| 01:36.57 | FrantiK | abrotman, else, can you correct my logic please ? i am always looking to understand why i am wrong :) |
| 01:37.03 | abrotman | NOT MAKING SENSE |
| 01:37.05 | ddalton | abrotman: everything appears to be using under 2 mb each eg. it starts at about 1.1 and works its way down. |
| 01:37.08 | ddalton | is that how it should be? |
| 01:37.16 | ddalton | (for all the different processes?) |
| 01:37.16 | abrotman | ddalton: depends what you're running |
| 01:37.27 | FrantiK | abrotman, since i'm not english native, can you tell me what is not making sense ? |
| 01:37.37 | abrotman | ddalton: try starting iceweasel and browse a few sites and a bunch of tabs .. it'll go higher :) |
| 01:37.41 | abrotman | FrantiK: all of it .. have a good night |
| 01:37.51 | ddalton | abrotman: alright, and how do I scroll the screen down to see the next lot of processes? cause its using 700 mb of ram so I'm assuming there must be a lot of processes :p |
| 01:37.56 | FrantiK | abrotman, o_0 |
| 01:38.05 | FrantiK | abrotman, you are a total weirdo |
| 01:38.15 | FrantiK | sorry but that's a verifiable info :D |
| 01:38.25 | kriebz | blinks |
| 01:38.28 | bpun | btw.. is apt-cache policy <packagename> the only way to find out where a package came from? |
| 01:38.36 | FrantiK | anyway see ya :p |
| 01:38.47 | FrantiK | going to do some idiotic vegan hippie stuff |
| 01:38.48 | setuid | abrotman, Is there a repository somewhere with the etch kernel I can put on my Debian 5.0 machine? |
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| 01:39.01 | abrotman | setuid: it may not work on lenny .. but any mirror should have it |
| 01:39.02 | setuid | I guess that's lenny |
| 01:39.09 | cafuego | hug a rock, eat a tree |
| 01:39.16 | pickcoder | setuid: browse the package archives on any mirror under oldstable |
| 01:39.33 | ryanCH | where is the startup script for the X window system? |
| 01:39.46 | setuid | abrotman, What issues would I see? Or should I just pull upstream 2.6.18 source and build it with make-kpkg and my current kernel's .config? |
| 01:40.08 | kriebz | ryanCH: there isn't one specifically. if it does start on its own, it's probably from gdm |
| 01:40.22 | pickcoder | setuid: if there were any major issues with the 2.6.26 kernel then it wouldn't be in stable, why the need to downgrade? |
| 01:40.37 | ryanCH | kriebz: what about xinitrc? |
| 01:40.49 | setuid | pickcoder, There are issues with the ehci_driver, some bugs crept in after 2.6.18, and haven't been fixed yet |
| 01:40.55 | abrotman | ddalton: i thought there was a way, but i can't find it |
| 01:40.57 | bpun | setuid, did it work before on a linux machine? |
| 01:41.03 | kriebz | ryanCH: sorry, I might have mis-interpreted your question |
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| 01:41.13 | setuid | pickcoder, Here's an example: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7932 |
| 01:41.20 | ddalton | damn, thx though |
| 01:41.24 | ddalton | ill look :) |
| 01:41.26 | setuid | bpun, Yes, until that Linux system went along it's merry way with stable upgrades |
| 01:41.29 | ryanCH | kriebz: a script that gets exeucated when X starts, i mean. |
| 01:41.36 | ryanCH | *executed |
| 01:41.40 | abrotman | ddalton: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 01:42.31 | bpun | setuid, u can always download the deb files manually.. |
| 01:42.41 | bpun | setuid, then do a dpkg with force |
| 01:42.41 | setuid | bpun, Right, I'm trying to _find_ them :) |
| 01:42.45 | jpinx | ryanCH: I use lxde desktop and I have a dir of files that start thte various things I want when the desktop starts |
| 01:42.52 | setuid | I never use force... if I have to, something else is wrong. |
| 01:43.05 | bpun | setuid, dpkg -I <packagename> gives info |
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| 01:43.21 | setuid | of course... I mean I'm trying to find the 2.6.18 .deb on one of the mirrors |
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| 01:43.28 | setuid | None of them have actual packages though, just package listings |
| 01:43.41 | pickcoder | you're looking in the wrong place |
| 01:43.44 | bpun | setuid, /packagefilename/packagename |
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| 01:44.03 | bpun | setuid, it's in dists (/pools // k/ ) |
| 01:44.18 | bpun | setuid, there are faster ways.. |
| 01:44.38 | bpun | setuid, u can add another sources.list for etch. and use apt-get with download-only feature |
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| 01:45.12 | pickcoder | setuid: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 01:45.18 | setuid | looks like /pool/k/kernel-image* has only the latest |
| 01:45.34 | setuid | pickcoder, ah, that's a different place |
| 01:45.46 | pickcoder | linux-image |
| 01:45.48 | pickcoder | not kernel-image |
| 01:46.16 | bpun | setuid, u'd probably want to inspect the control files.. |
| 01:46.29 | setuid | linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64_2.6.18.dfsg.1-24_amd64.deb looks like the right one |
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| 01:46.48 | Gnurdux | does ANYONE here have gnome 2.24 working on their system? |
| 01:47.11 | mapreduce | How can I install Debian into a directory without being root? I know of debootstrap, and of fakechroot and fakeroot, but I could do with a pointer to step by step instructions. |
| 01:47.31 | setuid | mapreduce, I have one just a sec... on my blog |
| 01:47.46 | setuid | mapreduce, http://blog.gnu-designs.com/solution-to-prc-tools-on-amd64-and-other-64-bit-machines |
| 01:47.55 | setuid | debootstrap |
| 01:49.36 | mapreduce | I can't run debootstrap, because it requires stuff beginning with /usr. I.e., it needs to be extracted/installed to / |
| 01:49.37 | mpeter | are we talking about haskell now |
| 01:49.48 | setuid | mapreduce, Read the blog entry, it doesn't do that |
| 01:50.00 | mpeter | sets uid |
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| 01:50.11 | setuid | chowns you |
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| 01:50.18 | mpeter | man touches |
| 01:50.34 | mapreduce | setuid: Have I missed something about this line then? debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /var/chroot/debian_32bit http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 01:50.38 | mpeter | oops...i thought 'up up' would give me 'man fsck' |
| 01:51.26 | mpeter | silence is golden |
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| 01:52.24 | superjet_busy | ging sucks when checking cdrom with or without disk image |
| 01:53.29 | pickcoder | is it complicated ghosting an existing install with LVM, into a xen guest? |
| 01:53.41 | pickcoder | I know some bits just aren't going to line up ( |
| 01:53.46 | pickcoder | drive mounts and such) |
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| 01:56.27 | bpun | is http://wiki.debian.org/ considered a primary or a secondary? |
| 01:57.18 | superjet_busy | mailing list is primary |
| 01:57.28 | bpun | ok |
| 01:58.00 | bpun | is referring to http://debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-support.en.html#s-references |
| 01:58.28 | setuid | Is there something equivalent to Red Hat's 'service' or 'chkconfig' to turn off things like apache, squid, etc. from starting up at boot time? |
| 01:58.30 | ddalton | can someone help me in a pm so i can determine if i have any bad processes running? |
| 01:59.43 | pickcoder | setuid: sysv-rc-conf |
| 01:59.47 | pickcoder | or update-rc.d |
| 02:00.18 | abrotman | ddalton: how would we know what's bad on your system? |
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| 02:02.37 | bpun | ddalton sounded like he was having a period.. "can someone help me in a pm so i can determine if i have any bad processes running?" |
| 02:02.44 | bpun | laughs hysterically |
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| 02:05.19 | bpun | setuid, u still there? i actually found out about sysvconfig and sysv-rc-conf packages a few weeks ago.. |
| 02:05.39 | setuid | bpun, I'm here |
| 02:05.42 | bpun | setuid, sysv-rc-conf --list, service and sysvconfig at avail |
| 02:05.53 | bpun | setuid, easier to use than invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d imho |
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| 02:07.21 | bpun | setuid, u can use sysvconfig to turn on/off with ncurses or sysv-rc-conf <servicename> on/off |
| 02:07.49 | bpun | setuid, i dont think they're installed by default.. |
| 02:07.51 | setuid | I'll test them in a sec. |
| 02:07.59 | bpun | thinks it would be nice if they were... |
| 02:08.01 | setuid | Trying to get these kernel dependencies all picked through |
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| 02:08.23 | inc2 | has anyone in here installed the latest irssi? |
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| 02:08.51 | bpun | setuid, dpkg -I <packagefilename> shows dependencies? |
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| 02:09.50 | setuid | bpun, This is where I'm at, still whittling them down... http://rafb.net/p/7Dv5ne74.html |
| 02:09.53 | mapreduce | setuid: Any thoughts on what I said about debootstrap? Your blog post requires debootstrap to be installed by root, afaict. |
| 02:10.07 | setuid | mapreduce, What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 02:10.11 | mapreduce | Extracting debootstrap to a directory fails. |
| 02:11.18 | inc2 | Sarge: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and add: |
| 02:11.20 | inc2 | deb http://www.davidpashley.com/debian/irssi/ ./ |
| 02:11.24 | mapreduce | Install a basic Debian or Ubuntu system so that I can install stuff I like to use on a system whose administrator has configured it badly. |
| 02:11.24 | inc2 | why wouldn't that line work? |
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| 02:11.38 | abrotman | inc2: what's wrong with the packages already in debian ? |
| 02:11.53 | abrotman | inc2: those packages there are from 2007 .. |
| 02:11.53 | inc2 | abrotman: not updated to 0.8.13 |
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| 02:12.00 | bpun | setuid, u dont need to replace ur kernel.. u can even extract it ... as long as its above 2.6 and udev is compatible with it.. |
| 02:12.01 | abrotman | in sarge ? |
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| 02:12.31 | abrotman | inc2: for sarge? |
| 02:12.51 | inc2 | abrotman: dunno :P |
| 02:13.04 | abrotman | inc2: cat /proc/version .. what does it say ? |
| 02:13.19 | bpun | setuid, what was the command line? |
| 02:13.21 | inc2 | Linux version 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Sat Dec 27 09:31:05 UTC 2008 |
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| 02:13.30 | setuid | bpun, For what? |
| 02:13.35 | mapreduce | setuid: The man page for fakechroot states that this is doable with fakechroot and debootstrap, but I don't have large wads of uninterrupted time available to figure it out (baby, gf, being on holiday, etc.), so I'd like to read how to do it. |
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| 02:13.42 | abrotman | !tell inc2 about etch->lenny |
| 02:13.44 | bpun | setuid, for the url u pasted |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | !tell inc2 about bpo |
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| 02:13.54 | abrotman | inc2: either one of those is a better option than what you're trying to do |
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| 02:14.14 | setuid | bpun, Just 'dpkg -i *deb' from the dir they're all downloaded into |
| 02:14.43 | bpun | setuid, check dpkg -I on the main deb file |
| 02:14.53 | bpun | setuid, and subsequently check the others.. |
| 02:14.56 | HardDisk_WP | what causes these lines? |
| 02:14.56 | HardDisk_WP | CMD ( [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -n 200 -r -0 rm) |
| 02:15.01 | HardDisk_WP | they're in syslog |
| 02:15.08 | HardDisk_WP | where can I kill this cronjob? |
| 02:15.13 | dansushi | anyone here want to try out my debian based firefox persona? (if you happen to know what that is) |
| 02:15.13 | HardDisk_WP | cron.hourly doesnt have it |
| 02:16.05 | peppe | HardDisk_WP: look into cron.d |
| 02:16.20 | AbsoluteValue | Debian crashed my computer! |
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| 02:16.46 | HardDisk_WP | peppe, thanks |
| 02:16.58 | AbsoluteValue | I put Debian 5.0.0 ppc Bin-1 CD install (one) in my iBook and Mac OS X crashed! |
| 02:17.02 | peppe | AbsoluteValue: shit happens |
| 02:17.05 | bpun | setuid, u can also make a local repo just for those deb files using dpkg-scanpackages... if it helps.. |
| 02:17.13 | AbsoluteValue | It mounts okay in Windows XP. |
| 02:17.24 | AbsoluteValue | How do I get the iBook to boot from it? |
| 02:17.36 | bpun | setuid, but i dont know how it might try to force u to uninstall/replace ur current kernel or break something |
| 02:18.01 | bpun | AbsoluteValue, did u use bootcamp? |
| 02:18.24 | inc2 | abrotman: ok so how do I install from squeeze |
| 02:18.29 | AbsoluteValue | No. This is PowerPC (G3 iBook mac) |
| 02:18.32 | inc2 | since backports doesn't seem to be updated |
| 02:18.49 | bpun | AbsoluteValue, so there's no bootcamp for ppc ? |
| 02:18.56 | abrotman | inc2: yes it is |
| 02:19.02 | abrotman | inc2: it's newer than the one you were trying to install |
| 02:19.10 | peppe | bpun: I think not, since you can't install windows on ppc |
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| 02:19.39 | setuid | bpun, dpkg -l doesn't work like that |
| 02:19.41 | AbsoluteValue | No. |
| 02:19.42 | inc2 | abrotman: http://packages.debian.org/source/etch-backports/irssi |
| 02:19.53 | bpun | AbsoluteValue, u should be following a guide before hand.. i know bootcamp is needed for the intel macs |
| 02:19.56 | abrotman | okay .. so you didn't read any of it .. great |
| 02:20.00 | superjet_busy | inc2: make your own deb |
| 02:20.03 | AbsoluteValue | Is anyone clueful about getting a Mac to boot from the Debian install CD? |
| 02:20.10 | abrotman | superjet_busy: please stop |
| 02:20.11 | bpun | setuid, "capital i" |
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| 02:20.43 | bpun | setuid, u can make a local repo .. but u might have to use some force option .. |
| 02:20.51 | setuid | ah, bad local font in xchat... looked like an 'ell' |
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| 02:23.10 | inc2 | abrotman: e2:/home/inc# apt-get -t lenny-backports install "irssi |
| 02:23.12 | inc2 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 02:23.14 | inc2 | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 02:23.16 | inc2 | irssi is already the newest version. |
| 02:23.27 | abrotman | so you're not paying attention .. great |
| 02:23.38 | inc2 | abrotman: I read the link |
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| 02:28.26 | inc2 | abrotman: or you thought you communicated something and you actually hadn't |
| 02:28.34 | abrotman | no i did |
| 02:28.41 | abrotman | either upgrade your box to lenny, or use etch-backports |
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| 02:29.58 | inc2 | correctonce again etch-backports is out of date (pretty sure this is my third time saying that) |
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| 02:31.42 | bpun | i thought backports is obsolete.. |
| 02:32.22 | pickcoder | bpun: so it's Etch |
| 02:32.27 | pickcoder | s/it's/is |
| 02:32.28 | jpinx | or backports.org |
| 02:32.38 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 02:32.48 | jetscreamer | you haven't got irssi going yet |
| 02:32.50 | jetscreamer | ?? |
| 02:33.02 | jpinx | etch is not obsolete - it's still supported |
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| 02:33.13 | pickcoder | only for security updates |
| 02:33.16 | pickcoder | for a limited time |
| 02:33.29 | Inc | just for giggles |
| 02:33.34 | jetscreamer | you could have installed about 24 new systems at least, one after another |
| 02:33.35 | Inc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.50 | pickcoder | I have a amd64 box running that is critical and I dunno when I'll have time to shut it down for an hour to upgrade |
| 02:33.59 | jpinx | that link looks familiar;) |
| 02:34.27 | jetscreamer | very |
| 02:34.31 | abrotman | inc2: pretty sure i already told you that the version you were trying to isntall from the davidpashley site was *older* than the one on backports.org |
| 02:34.33 | Inc | I wonder why |
| 02:34.35 | jpinx | !tell pickcoder: about etch->lenny |
| 02:34.41 | jetscreamer | it's like i didn't go away for 4 hours or so |
| 02:34.48 | jetscreamer | zomfg |
| 02:34.51 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 02:34.57 | jetscreamer | just ribbing you |
| 02:35.04 | jetscreamer | it's kinda lame though |
| 02:35.11 | jetscreamer | you could compile it |
| 02:35.18 | jetscreamer | put it in local |
| 02:35.51 | jpinx | pickcoder: even I managed to upgrade etch->lenny on a live server without downtime |
| 02:36.04 | pickcoder | I haven't been so lucky |
| 02:36.09 | jetscreamer | hotpluggable kernel? |
| 02:36.16 | Inc | abrotman: ok, so a simple "etch-backports does not have 0.8.13 so you need to install lenny or else wait for it to get in etch-backports would do not a typical debian carousel ride |
| 02:36.23 | AbsoluteValue | Upgrade without downtime. Not even a test reboot? |
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| 02:36.28 | jpinx | !tell pickcoder about etch->lenny |
| 02:36.28 | Inc | :) |
| 02:36.32 | abrotman | judd: versions irssi |
| 02:36.34 | judd | abrotman: irssi -- etch: 0.8.10-2 etch-backports: 0.8.12-5~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.8.12-6 sid: 0.8.13~rc1-1 squeeze: 0.8.13~rc1-1 |
| 02:36.37 | pickcoder | dude, stop that |
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| 02:36.46 | pickcoder | I've upgraded at least 4 machines since Lenny was released |
| 02:36.54 | abrotman | Inc: lenny doesn't ahve it either .. but lenny's version is also *newer* than the one you were triyng to install |
| 02:36.57 | Inc | !tell inc about etch->lenny |
| 02:37.16 | Inc | beautiful |
| 02:37.36 | pickcoder | most of them required some manual dependency fixing and at least one reboot |
| 02:37.40 | abrotman | !tell Inc about selftell |
| 02:37.46 | jetscreamer | !tell Inc -about... dammit man |
| 02:37.50 | pickcoder | which took anywhere from an hour to two hours depending on X install |
| 02:38.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a damnit man factoid? |
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| 02:38.07 | Inc | !tell abrotman thanks |
| 02:38.09 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 02:38.20 | jetscreamer | !botabuse |
| 02:38.20 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 02:38.28 | pickcoder | !botsnack |
| 02:38.28 | dpkg | thanks, pickcoder |
| 02:38.42 | jpinx | pickcoder: you surprise me - etch->lenny was not so bad |
| 02:38.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it bot-abuse-hour again? |
| 02:38.51 | pickcoder | not if it's a router |
| 02:38.53 | pickcoder | :) |
| 02:39.05 | pickcoder | X typically blows up version upgrades |
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| 02:39.08 | jpinx | pickcoder: on a live server |
| 02:39.44 | jpinx | but whatever pickcoder you'l need to upgrade and then all your problems will be solved:) |
| 02:39.59 | pickcoder | who said I had problems! |
| 02:40.05 | pickcoder | Etch is running fine |
| 02:40.13 | jpinx | who doesn't;) |
| 02:40.24 | Inc | !tell abrotman about bpo |
| 02:40.30 | abrotman | Inc: stop |
| 02:40.52 | Inc | !tell about etch->lenny |
| 02:40.56 | Inc | shit bad paste |
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| 02:41.04 | abrotman | Inc: /msg dpkg foo |
| 02:41.30 | Inc | ? |
| 02:41.40 | n3kl | What would be the point of running a freebsd kernel on debian? |
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| 02:41.48 | Inc | GOD I really love you guys |
| 02:42.01 | n3kl | or more accrately, what would be the point of running debian on a freebsd kernel> |
| 02:42.04 | n3kl | ? |
| 02:42.12 | stew | n3kl: perhaps using their firewall (which some people prefer to netfilter) |
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| 02:42.24 | enouf | pfense? |
| 02:42.27 | stew | n3kl: it also has different virtualization stuff available |
| 02:42.35 | n3kl | stew: like what? |
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| 02:43.23 | n3kl | So I am thinking of trying it out on a spare box I have, but why wouldn't I just run freebsd, then I can have all the freebsd stuff |
| 02:43.43 | Wyzard | n3kl: Then you wouldn't have apt :-) |
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| 02:43.52 | stew | n3kl: the kenrel can do jailing/subhosting |
| 02:44.29 | n3kl | So how would I install things, like afs and kernel modules. Would I have to follow the freebsd kernle building guide and include modules in the kernel? |
| 02:45.02 | bpun | if i have "Section: contrib/net" from /var/lib/dpkg/available .. does this mean it came from one of the contrib repos and not from main ? |
| 02:46.02 | Wyzard | bpun: yes |
| 02:47.03 | sjokkis | hi. i get an error saying "cannot stat [...]: No such file or directory" for a file that is clearly present. i'm getting this error several times as i move large amounts of files, and as far as i can tell they all have more or less unusual names. help? |
| 02:47.15 | bpun | Wyzard, i'm trying to determine if one of my contrib packages might depend on a main package.. there a way to do this? |
| 02:47.35 | Wyzard | sjokkis: That can happen if the file in question is actually a symlink to something that doesn't exist |
| 02:47.43 | sjokkis | Wyzard: it's not a symlink |
| 02:47.44 | Wyzard | sjokkis: It can also be caused by filesystem corruption |
| 02:47.54 | sjokkis | that might be more likely |
| 02:48.00 | Wyzard | fsck would be advisable, then |
| 02:48.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | what filenames? |
| 02:48.08 | Wyzard | and check dmesg for disk I/O errorsa |
| 02:48.10 | Wyzard | *errors |
| 02:48.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what command do you run |
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| 02:49.02 | ruben231 | hi anyone tried installing x-lite on debian....? |
| 02:49.12 | enouf | bpun: AFAIK, contrib is there because some of it's pkgs might depend on non-free stuff |
| 02:49.18 | smacnay | What are some classic signs of a waning (read dying) power supply? |
| 02:49.26 | Wyzard | bpun: "apt-cache show" the contrib package, and look at its dependencies |
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| 02:49.34 | smacnay | peripherals that act up? |
| 02:49.43 | enouf | apt-cache depends ... |
| 02:49.43 | smacnay | dvd/cd and usb.... |
| 02:50.07 | bpun | Wyzard, i know how to do per package persay.. but i think one package from main depended on having contrib set.. |
| 02:50.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he means... like all his contrib packages? |
| 02:50.24 | bpun | CutMeOwnThroat, no |
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| 02:50.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the other way around, though! |
| 02:50.36 | Wyzard | bpun: "apt-cache rdepends <package>" will tell you what other packages depend on the given one |
| 02:50.38 | enouf | smacnay: that's why it's good to have a few extras of everything handy ;0 |
| 02:50.53 | pickcoder | smacnay: tough to say |
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| 02:51.04 | bpun | Wyzard, but that wouldn't tell me if they were from main? |
| 02:51.12 | pickcoder | you'll probably see voltage fluctuations on a 12V rail first |
| 02:51.27 | Trek00 | hi, I have a problem with a newly installed debian lenny. If I install it on a root raid1 degraded partition, after the install it don't boot. |
| 02:51.31 | enouf | !lsit repositories |
| 02:51.35 | pickcoder | you can try logging cpu voltages but odds are you won't catch the drops |
| 02:51.36 | enouf | er ,,, |
| 02:51.52 | enouf | bpun: /msg dpkg list repositories |
| 02:51.55 | Wyzard | bpun: No, you'd have to check each one |
| 02:52.05 | smacnay | enouf: well, I might need to grab one tomorrow and swap it in to see if the issues I am having disappear. |
| 02:52.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | bpun, apt-cache madison package or apt-cache show package would show that, though |
| 02:52.11 | bpun | thanks Wyzard , enouf |
| 02:52.13 | enouf | smacnay: know how to use a multimeter? |
| 02:52.16 | pickcoder | smacnay: stick a DC data logger on a drive connector and watch it :) |
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| 02:52.40 | pickcoder | can point you to one we offer... </ad> |
| 02:52.50 | smacnay | strangest one yet was seeing my system load average around 6.0 with nothing using the cpu (at least nothing intensive). |
| 02:52.57 | smacnay | enouf: I wish I did now. |
| 02:53.13 | Wyzard | smacnay: Keep in mind that iowait isn't "CPU usage" but counts against load average |
| 02:53.39 | Trek00 | smacnay: may be that te load average goes up for disk io wait |
| 02:53.41 | smacnay | Wyzard: ah, that would fit. There was some usb external drive transfers that died on me. |
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| 02:54.03 | smacnay | Wish I could have killed that. |
| 02:54.35 | Wyzard | smack: I've seen a load average over 150 on a machine that lost its connection to its NFS server, even though the CPU was basically idle :-) |
| 02:54.51 | BlueG | How safe is it to install a package from source from testing on a stable system, and how hard is it to revert if things break? |
| 02:54.54 | Wyzard | oops, smacnay ^^ |
| 02:54.56 | smacnay | something I don't remember seeing is /usr/bin/console-kit-daemon... |
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| 02:55.00 | smacnay | Wyzard: caught that |
| 02:55.13 | smacnay | Wyzard: wow - that would explain my last issue. |
| 02:55.36 | smacnay | what is console-kit-daemon? man'ing it found nothing |
| 02:55.57 | Trek00 | BlueG: from the system view it's safe and simple to revert as install another version of the package |
| 02:56.14 | setuid | bpun, ping |
| 02:56.16 | Wyzard | I *think* consolekit has something to do with granting privileges to users who are locally logged in (i.e. physically sitting at the keyboard, not ssh'ing or something) |
| 02:56.20 | pickcoder | BlueG: look at the package dependencies first |
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| 02:56.34 | smacnay | ah, found it in /usr/share/doc/consolekit |
| 02:56.36 | pickcoder | you may not be able to build it without downloading a ton of source dependencies |
| 02:56.37 | Trek00 | BlueG: but the application may be bugged and his data can be not downgradeable |
| 02:56.42 | BlueG | Trek00: so that would be a much better idea than installing a mixed system from the binary repo? |
| 02:56.45 | Wyzard | Such people should be able to do things like mount and unmount CDs |
| 02:56.52 | smacnay | Wyzard: yes, tracking sessions and logins |
| 02:57.24 | dansushi | anyone here want to try out my debian based firefox persona? (if you happen to know what that is) |
| 02:57.25 | BlueG | Trek00: ahh, I see, if the app converts data to a new format not readable by old versions... yea, that could be bad |
| 02:58.02 | Trek00 | BlueG: I don't understand what you mean for a mixed binary repo.. |
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| 02:58.26 | BlueG | pickcoder: will those dependancies interfere with other packages on the system, or will it generally install two library versions side by side...? |
| 02:59.08 | BlueG | Trek00: adding a deb line for testing, setting the default to stable, and using apt-get -t testing package to install the package from testing |
| 02:59.41 | Trek00 | BlueG: ok, I think it is much better to rebuild a package from the source |
| 02:59.59 | smacnay | can gdm allow one to log into another server's x session? |
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| 03:01.03 | Wyzard | It can be used to log into desktop sessions on remote machines via XDMCP, if that's what you mean |
| 03:01.13 | Wyzard | If that's not what you mean, it's unclear what you do mean |
| 03:01.33 | pickcoder | BlueG: that depends on the package and if there would be overlapping files |
| 03:01.53 | Trek00 | BlueG: for the libraries it depends. sometimes you can use the old library without problems, but sometimes not and if the new library version use the same package name it can be a big problem |
| 03:01.56 | bpun | Wyzard , enouf, i'm getting a different counter for non-free or contrib when i use apt-cache policy `cat space package name list`... |
| 03:02.22 | bpun | is relating to the script found at http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository |
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| 03:03.10 | Trek00 | anyone installed lenny on a root raid? |
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| 03:03.27 | bpun | setuid, some suggested trying build-dep .. but i never tried it.. |
| 03:03.33 | kriebz | Trek00: yes |
| 03:03.46 | Trek00 | kriebz: on a scsi? |
| 03:03.57 | kriebz | no |
| 03:04.02 | kriebz | there are... bugs |
| 03:04.05 | Trek00 | kriebz: I have installed lenny on a root raid1 degraded scsi disk |
| 03:04.07 | kriebz | that I never did figure out |
| 03:04.11 | Trek00 | but it don't boot |
| 03:04.17 | kriebz | yeah |
| 03:04.24 | bpun | smacnay, i know nxserver works flawless with debian |
| 03:04.27 | Wyzard | bugs in software RAID that are specific to SCSI hardware? |
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| 03:04.36 | bpun | smacnay, it's avail from nomachine.com |
| 03:04.39 | kriebz | Trek00: let me see if I can find the Debian bug for that |
| 03:04.48 | kriebz | Wyzard: it's a really, really dumb bug |
| 03:04.54 | kriebz | probably involving initrd |
| 03:04.58 | Trek00 | kriebz: the strange thing is that if a log in the initramfs shell and run /script/local-top/mdadm all runs fine! |
| 03:05.04 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 03:05.06 | bpun | nx is going open source to an extend.. it has some of its clients avail as source tarballs online |
| 03:05.24 | Trek00 | Wyzard: I haven't tested on IDE disks |
| 03:05.37 | Trek00 | Wyzard: and may be something with modules and delays |
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| 03:06.02 | Wyzard | Trek00: I've been using root-on-lvm-on-crypt-on-raid for about a year and a half and that works fine, but I'm using SATA, not SCSI |
| 03:06.20 | Trek00 | kriebz: I found 2 bugs on mdadm but not for new installations but for upgraded installations |
| 03:06.21 | kriebz | Trek00: you are only using Debian packages, right? cpio is from GNU? |
| 03:06.29 | Wyzard | ...actually, 2.5 years, not 1.5 |
| 03:06.32 | kriebz | yeah, I ran into it on upgrades |
| 03:06.40 | kriebz | bug is probably the same though |
| 03:06.52 | Trek00 | Wyzard: me also I've used for years raid with old versions of debian |
| 03:07.05 | Trek00 | Wyzard: but this is the first lenny installation |
| 03:07.13 | kriebz | alas, I was fired before I finished fixing that problem |
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| 03:07.25 | Trek00 | kriebz: :( |
| 03:07.42 | kriebz | no huge loss, thankfully |
| 03:07.54 | Trek00 | kriebz: the thing that I hate is that it manually boot, but not automatically :) |
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| 03:08.19 | kriebz | I'm not really good with the initramfs shell, so I didn't even get that far |
| 03:08.31 | Trek00 | kriebz: yes, only Debian packages, only the first cd official debian lenny |
| 03:08.59 | kriebz | Trek00: there's a technique that waits longer foor root fs, used for booting from USB |
| 03:09.04 | kriebz | maybe look for that and try it |
| 03:09.17 | Trek00 | I don't think this is the problem |
| 03:09.34 | Trek00 | because before to enter in the initramfs I must wait more than 2 minutes |
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| 03:09.49 | Trek00 | and I think this is the rootdelay option |
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| 03:10.21 | smacnay | sorry - irssi has been a foreigner to me for some time |
| 03:10.26 | bpun | anyone here familiar with ext4's extra superduper features? |
| 03:10.32 | kriebz | you think? I've never done it, but I thought it worked differently |
| 03:10.35 | bpun | wonders what's so great about the ext4 craze |
| 03:10.56 | Wyzard | bpun: better fragmentation resistance for large files thanks to delayed allocation |
| 03:10.57 | Trek00 | kriebz: I think that the md stuff come before the scsi driver recognized the partitions |
| 03:10.58 | kriebz | Trek00: well, if you figure this out, post it as many places as you can :-) |
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| 03:11.09 | Trek00 | :D |
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| 03:11.27 | kriebz | initramfs confuses and infuriates me |
| 03:11.28 | Wyzard | bpun: reduced bookkeeping overhead and faster deletion of large files due to extents |
| 03:11.46 | Trek00 | kriebz: if I figure out what it is, I think that the initscripts needs a patch :) |
| 03:12.06 | kriebz | are initscripts even running by that point? |
| 03:12.34 | Trek00 | bpun: checksumming for journaling |
| 03:12.38 | Wyzard | Trek00: I think there's a "rootdelay" option you can use (on the kernel's options line in grub) to help with that, but I've never used it and don't know details |
| 03:12.42 | Trek00 | bpun: memory barriers on by default |
| 03:12.46 | bpun | Wyzard, ah.. but since by what ur saying it doesn't look like anything to worry about the debian installer not setting ext4 as the default.. |
| 03:13.14 | Wyzard | bpun: Those aren't the only improvements, just the first ones that came to my mind |
| 03:13.17 | bpun | Wyzard, but looks well for setting a custom partition for largefiles for ext4 .. |
| 03:13.25 | Wyzard | bpun: online defragmentation capability is another |
| 03:13.44 | Trek00 | Wyzard: yes there is, but the system wait at least 2 long idle minutes |
| 03:13.57 | Wyzard | bpun: and extended attributes can be stored within inodes (rather than allocated separately) for faster access |
| 03:14.34 | bpun | Wyzard, gosh extended attributes.. how much more security.. i thought acl was enough with selinux ;-) |
| 03:14.48 | Wyzard | bpun: extended attributes aren't just for security |
| 03:15.14 | Wyzard | bpun: The Beagle search tool uses them to keep track of which files are up-to-date in its index, for example |
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| 03:16.10 | Trek00 | ext4 uses the extents and blocks bitmaps |
| 03:16.15 | Wyzard | bpun: There's been some debate over what's perceived as a regression in reliability (greater chance of data loss in the event of a power failure, due to ext4 doing more caching than ext3 did) but that's being addressed in 2.6.30 |
| 03:16.30 | Wyzard | bpun: Other than that, I see no good reason not to use ext4 as the default filesystem for everything |
| 03:16.43 | Wyzard | (where ext3 would otherwise have been used) |
| 03:17.05 | kriebz | readability in recovery situations |
| 03:17.18 | kriebz | reliable dump/restore utilities |
| 03:17.18 | Trek00 | kriebz: not, I'm confused, scripts/local-top are from initramfs-tools and mdadm packages |
| 03:17.42 | Trek00 | bpun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4 |
| 03:17.47 | kriebz | Trek00: OK, sorry. I suck at initramfs. I thought you meant /etc/init.d/* |
| 03:17.49 | bpun | Wyzard, but the debian base system will never use big files.. so i really dont see any efficiency .. other than the idea of customizing a partition for special large files.. |
| 03:18.11 | Theoden | I cannot get b rasero to blank rewritable cds. But I get no usable message in the log - just that blanking failed. Is there something that might need to be installed to get it to work? |
| 03:18.13 | Trek00 | kriebz: me sucks too with initrd |
| 03:18.20 | bpun | Wyzard, (i mean if there's a tradeoff of using ext4 than ext2/3 for the base install) |
| 03:18.38 | Wyzard | bpun: Once the write-caching issue is fixed, there's no tradeoff |
| 03:18.56 | kriebz | bpun: I listed two possible tradeoffs, but they might not be important to you |
| 03:19.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Theoden, there is actually no need to blank rw disks afaik, you can just overwrite them |
| 03:19.38 | kriebz | I havn't seen a cd-rw in... 10 years |
| 03:19.43 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: no, at least the TOC has to be erased for the drive to recognize the disc as blank and recordable again |
| 03:19.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | never heard of brasero, though |
| 03:19.51 | Theoden | CutMeOwnThroat: It always goes to blank it at some point and fails. |
| 03:20.07 | bpun | kriebz, i'm talking for debian's base installer... which doesn't select ext4 by default.. |
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| 03:20.18 | Wyzard | Theoden: I've used brasero to erase a CD-RW in the past month or two, though, and it didn't have any problem |
| 03:20.19 | bpun | (at least i think it doesnt with netinst |
| 03:20.20 | bpun | ) |
| 03:20.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wyzard, well, that was cdrecord/(and/or)/dvdr+-tools that claimed this |
| 03:20.51 | Wyzard | bpun: lenny doesn't, because lenny's kernel doesn't have (stable) ext4 support |
| 03:20.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually the rebranded cdrecord whatever its name is |
| 03:21.08 | Theoden | Wyzard: I never have this issue with k3b - but brasero always fails me here. |
| 03:21.10 | Wyzard | bpun: When squeeze is released in a year or two, it'll have ext4 support and there's a good chance it'll be the default |
| 03:21.12 | bpun | Wyzard, ok.. thanks :) |
| 03:21.55 | Wyzard | bpun: I see no reason to choose ext3 over ext4, large files or not |
| 03:21.55 | bpun | Wyzard, but it's still considered pretty new to me.. I yet to read up about it how much better it performs than ext3... maybe for older systems it wont make much of a difference.. |
| 03:21.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and k3b is a frontend to the programs I just mentioned :) |
| 03:22.02 | kriebz | I don't see any huge advantage to making / ext4 if you can just make other partitions fancy file systems |
| 03:22.29 | Wyzard | There's probably not a huge advantage |
| 03:22.32 | Wyzard | but there's not a disadvantage either |
| 03:23.01 | Theoden | CutMeOwnThroat: I know - so what gives? :)\ |
| 03:23.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | use k3b? :) |
| 03:23.45 | Trek00 | bpun: debian stable should not include in-development things like ext4 |
| 03:24.19 | kriebz | 1) can most of my collection of "rescue" CDs read it? 2) is there a dump utiltiy that supports all of its crazy features? |
| 03:24.34 | Wyzard | kriebz: not yet, but give it time |
| 03:25.06 | Theoden | CutMeOwnThroat: I would - but debian wants to install the whole kde just to get it. Bah! |
| 03:25.12 | Wyzard | kriebz: I'd like to convert my laptop over to ext4 to try it out, but I'm holding out until the next Ubuntu is released so I'll have a decent liveCD that supports it, for recovery purposes |
| 03:25.27 | Trek00 | I think I will use ext4 only for the journal checksumming thing |
| 03:25.38 | kriebz | there's no dump for ZFS, either, which is funny in a way. But there's this strange utility "zfs send" that's similar, and is used in replication |
| 03:25.52 | setuid | damn, this didn't work |
| 03:26.09 | setuid | it doesn't look like I can install etch kernels on lenny |
| 03:26.40 | kriebz | setuid: maybe download the tarball from kernel.org and build it "the debian way"? |
| 03:26.50 | bpun | Wyzard, i once heard of debian live-cds.. |
| 03:27.02 | kriebz | bpun: search for "debian live" |
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| 03:27.04 | bpun | Wyzard, they work any good? i'd like to try non-knoppix for once |
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| 03:27.05 | kriebz | it's a project |
| 03:27.21 | setuid | kriebz, That's what I'm going to do next... I wrote about this on my blog ;) |
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| 03:27.32 | kriebz | bpun: there are many livecd distros |
| 03:27.38 | setuid | http://blog.gnu-designs.com/building-custom-kernels-for-ubuntu |
| 03:27.48 | peppe | moreover, too many apps are poorly designed when it comes to sync data to disks. i.e.: filesystem != ext3 ==> data loss, see the /. stuff and the launchpad bug |
| 03:27.51 | bpun | kriebz, have u tried debian live or are u just telling me to search it? |
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| 03:28.03 | Wyzard | bpun: They exist, and I've used the lenny liveCD once or twice, but lenny doesn't do ext4 and anything post-lenny isn't a stable Debian release, so I might as well use an Ubuntu stable release at that point |
| 03:28.15 | kriebz | I'm telling you to search for it, because you weren't sure it existed. I'm just affirming that it does, in some form |
| 03:28.17 | sjokkis | Wyzard: it's not a problem with the harddrive. each of the files has special characters like µ etc |
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| 03:28.31 | sjokkis | any idea how to copy files with those kind of names? |
| 03:28.33 | subsume | In a general sense, if I have two servers would it be best to optimize one for apache and another for db? |
| 03:28.38 | Trek00 | peppe: I think that ext3 is not the only one stable fs :) |
| 03:28.56 | Trek00 | peppe: give to xfs a chance :) |
| 03:29.08 | iceroot | hi, i am locking for roundcube in lenny but apt-cache search is not finding it (google says it is in lenny/sid) what i am doing wrong? |
| 03:29.35 | Wyzard | sjokkis: Copying those should be no different from copying any other file; the filesystem doesn't care what encoding a filename is in |
| 03:29.38 | peppe | Trek00: xfs shows the same behaviour as ext4: data loss with poorly written applications (that basically assume flushing of data every 5 seconds) |
| 03:29.50 | peppe | Trek00: e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781/comments/54 |
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| 03:30.57 | sjokkis | Wyzard: when i ssh to the computer in question and do "ls" it shows with a questionmark in place of µ. when i do autocomplete it shows the name properly |
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| 03:31.19 | Wyzard | peppe: I don't know whether the XFS problem is the same, but I've read up on the recent ext4 problem and I think it's not entirely the applications' fault... the filesystem API lacks a write-barrier operation, which is what's really needed |
| 03:31.23 | sjokkis | when i do the same through samba it doesn't autocomplete properly and shows an underscore in place of µ |
| 03:31.28 | sjokkis | i have no idea what's going on here dude |
| 03:31.56 | kriebz | haha |
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| 03:32.12 | bpun | sjokkis, check the encoding.. |
| 03:32.12 | Trek00 | Wyzard: but I remember that write barriers are enabled by default on ext4 |
| 03:32.14 | Wyzard | sjokkis: That's an issue with your terminal's encoding and/or whatever encoding the SMB/CIFS protocol uses |
| 03:32.51 | kriebz | sjokkis: samba is forced to use different encodings to be compatible with Windows. Recent Windows versions use UTF-16 for filesystem strings |
| 03:32.54 | Trek00 | sjokkis: try to tar the directory you need and transfer it |
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| 03:33.22 | sjokkis | Trek00: i tried that |
| 03:33.22 | Wyzard | Trek00: I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that, but I think the resolution for the recent write-caching debate was to implement a heuristic, in 2.6.30, that'll automatically put a write barrier before a rename operation |
| 03:33.30 | peppe | Wyzard: what's a write barrier? an fsync()= |
| 03:33.36 | Wyzard | Trek00: but there's no function that a program can call to explicitly insert a write barrier |
| 03:33.38 | sjokkis | kriebz: so would that mean it should work with characters like µ in filenames or not? |
| 03:33.53 | sjokkis | Trek00: got the same file not found error when i tried to tar as with cp and mv |
| 03:33.54 | kriebz | sjokkis: I'm only ever seeing a '?' char when you type that |
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| 03:34.07 | Wyzard | peppe: Putting a barrier between A and B means that A must finish completely before B can begin |
| 03:34.09 | sjokkis | kriebz: mu |
| 03:34.20 | sjokkis | as in the greek letter |
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| 03:34.28 | Trek00 | sjokkis: you should tar the directory, not files |
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| 03:34.43 | Wyzard | peppe: fsync() acts as a write barrier, but it also does an immediate synchronization, which isn't necessarily desirable |
| 03:34.59 | sjokkis | Trek00: oh yeah. that worked |
| 03:35.00 | Trek00 | Wyzard: the write barriers are called automatically by the ext3/4 driver |
| 03:35.17 | kriebz | sjokkis: make sure your local machine and what you're ssh-ing to have the same language set |
| 03:35.30 | Wyzard | Trek00: in certain situations where the filesystem developers have decided they're generally needed |
| 03:35.34 | Wyzard | Trek00: but it's out of the application's control |
| 03:35.36 | kriebz | your terminal emulator is probably "eating" chars not in the charset for its language |
| 03:36.07 | kriebz | sjokkis: and avoid Samba until you have the rest of the problem sorted out |
| 03:36.11 | Trek00 | Wyzard: when you close a file (linke in peppe's example) a memory barrier is issued |
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| 03:36.14 | Wyzard | peppe: The problem with doing write() and then rename() is that both get buffered and the rename might go to disk before the write does |
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| 03:36.35 | kryptoz | Hi ! I have a machine with two interfaces and two internet connections ..one ppp and other leased line. I have http listening on both the interfaces. The default gw is ppp, and hence if someone from outside access, www using the IP on leased line.. they dont get the reply back, as the reply is routed via the default gw (on ppp interface).. is there a work around for this ? |
| 03:36.38 | Wyzard | peppe: It's OK for them to be buffered (that helps with performance) but you want to ensure that later, when they get committed to disk, the rename goes first |
| 03:36.39 | Trek00 | Wyzard: but yes, there is no method to put a barrier if not to call fsync |
| 03:36.47 | kriebz | you'd think a simple order of apperations thing woulf fix that.... |
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| 03:37.05 | peppe | Wyzard: yes, I got it from ts'o's explaination |
| 03:37.14 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:37.22 | peppe | ts'o also mentions a "fdatawrite()" call which I never heard of |
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| 03:37.44 | Wyzard | peppe: fdatasync(), actually -- it's similar to fsync() |
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| 03:37.52 | Wyzard | a little more lightweight, but not that much |
| 03:37.56 | Trek00 | kryptoz: there is a problem with routing: the hosts that access to www not using ppp are directly connected to the www server? |
| 03:38.41 | Wyzard | It still means "wait for the disk I/O to finish before letting my program continue", which hurts performance and isn't necessary just to ensure that the write goes to disk before the rename does |
| 03:38.49 | sjokkis | kriebz: i'm using rxvt-unicode. those characters are definitely supported |
| 03:39.27 | kryptoz | no .. both from outside.. say someone access www using the IP on leased line, the request reaches the server, and but reply is send back to the client via the default route (via ppp0) which is not what the client maybe expecting right ? |
| 03:39.32 | bpun | thinks xterm is the best darn terminal emulator ever |
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| 03:40.17 | Trek00 | kryptoz: the client is reachable from both ppp and leased line? |
| 03:40.23 | kryptoz | if I change the default route to the leased line gw, then clients accessing using the leased line works, those accessing www using the pppoe ip wont get the reply from server.. |
| 03:40.43 | kryptoz | Trek00: Yes.. |
| 03:41.13 | kryptoz | But doesnt the client expect a packet reply with the source IP same as the IP it send the request to ? |
| 03:41.41 | Trek00 | yes |
| 03:41.46 | bpun | kryptoz, yeah.. the isp should be providing ur ip |
| 03:41.50 | kryptoz | in my case, if the request is send back via the ppp, it will etch the packets souce IP with the ppp adaptor IP instead of the leased line's |
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| 03:42.33 | kryptoz | and the client which send the request to the leased line IP is not expecting anything from the ppp gateway and discards |
| 03:42.57 | bpun | kryptoz, is this a pppoe setup? |
| 03:42.58 | Trek00 | kryptoz: I never worked in a similar environment, so I cannot help much to you |
| 03:43.05 | kryptoz | if it can be like this.. if a request comes from leased line, the reply should go though leased line only.. and viceversa.. |
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| 03:43.19 | Trek00 | kryptoz: but I remember that there are some howto on how to share 2 internet connections |
| 03:43.23 | kryptoz | its possible to add two default routes, but debian takes only one route at a time |
| 03:43.30 | bpun | kryptoz, that's called multilink |
| 03:43.49 | Trek00 | kryptoz: and may be you can try to create 2 virtual hosts, one for IP address |
| 03:43.53 | bpun | kryptoz, it can probably be done.. but it's outside my scope on howto |
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| 03:44.21 | kryptoz | humm |
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| 03:44.39 | kryptoz | Trek00: thanks I will try your suggestions.. |
| 03:44.49 | kryptoz | bpun: thank you so much for the pointers |
| 03:45.03 | bpun | kryptoz, i know it could be done with dialup.. but i dont know how internet routers behave on this today.. |
| 03:45.24 | Trek00 | kryptoz: sorry that it is not so much |
| 03:45.32 | kryptoz | But sure to explore !!! thanks guys! |
| 03:46.42 | kryptoz | Hey .. me again .. |
| 03:46.51 | kryptoz | just wondering is there an iptables way of doing this ? |
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| 03:47.30 | kryptoz | anything that you guys can think of ? Multi link works for accessing internet for host network, but for hosting its not the best as it wont work easily .. |
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| 03:49.29 | ryanCH | why hasen't debian released a new kernel yet? :( |
| 03:49.39 | ryanCH | .27 |
| 03:49.40 | kryptoz | I think I got a hope.. something called "split routing" |
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| 04:03.25 | Trek00 | re :) |
| 04:03.32 | Trek00 | the cpu fan is not a my fan |
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| 04:07.02 | fdemocracy | what cd do you need to make sure you wont be requiring netinstall during the process of creating machines |
| 04:07.17 | Trek00 | kriebz: so do you think I should fill a bugreport for this? |
| 04:07.29 | Trek00 | kriebz: (the root raid problem) |
| 04:08.20 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: it depends what you want to install |
| 04:08.50 | fdemocracy | Trek00: why are you not given the opportunity to customize packages |
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| 04:09.02 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: the first CD should contains the most used packages |
| 04:09.03 | fdemocracy | it just has like 10 categories of stuff you want installed |
| 04:09.47 | fdemocracy | im on a reallyslow connection here ;( |
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| 04:10.17 | squisher | anyone have recommendations on gpg key sizes these days? |
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| 04:10.47 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: I think that the netinstall should help to download only the packages you need |
| 04:10.53 | fdemocracy | yeah: 2048 |
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| 04:11.13 | fdemocracy | Trek00: i dont get to HANDPCIK the packages ;( |
| 04:11.37 | fdemocracy | squisher: try keylength.com or was it .org |
| 04:12.00 | squisher | fdemocracy, .org, thanks |
| 04:12.01 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: but the machine you are installing have the internet connection? |
| 04:14.49 | elik | Anyone here tried to get nvidia driver working with kernel 2.6.29? |
| 04:14.56 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: may be I don't understood the problem |
| 04:15.32 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: It is too slow to download a CD or it is slow to manually select the packages on aptitude? |
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| 04:19.32 | subsume | how the heck do I get mod_status for apache? |
| 04:19.56 | Trek00 | elik: me not, but if the problem is not too specific to this kernel I could be help you |
| 04:20.35 | fdemocracy | Trek00: they have the internet |
| 04:20.37 | jetscreamer | elik: compile your own .29 |
| 04:20.39 | fdemocracy | but tis truly a despicable example of internet |
| 04:20.49 | jetscreamer | then it will work |
| 04:20.49 | fdemocracy | i almost went ahead with gentoo |
| 04:20.57 | fdemocracy | but i dont have the patience for gentoo anymore |
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| 04:21.33 | fdemocracy | debian, however flaky and disastrous its openssl bug was, is clearly superior |
| 04:21.50 | Trek00 | :) |
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| 04:22.14 | fdemocracy | i am willing to ignore the signs that the nsa is closely tied into the apt project |
| 04:22.26 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: I can't imagine a bug more disastrous than that |
| 04:22.29 | elik | jetscreamer, right, that seemed like the only "way out" atm :( I just hate hacking stuff in... I end up not remembering and then, on next kernel update, I have to mess around again. I liked the m-a way :) |
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| 04:24.44 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: anyway (hoping that ssl are now bugfree) downloading the first CD you should be able to install the base system, a small server system, a small desktop system |
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| 04:24.49 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: and then adds others packages from the net |
| 04:25.25 | jetscreamer | elik: you can just take the config from the stock kernel and just compile it, no need to mess with the config unless you want to |
| 04:25.30 | jetscreamer | just a pita |
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| 04:25.36 | jetscreamer | not hard though |
| 04:25.43 | Wyzard | elik: I think the Makefile_32.cpu issue is a Debian-specific packaging issue with the 2.6.29 kernel, not some fundamental incompatibility |
| 04:25.53 | elik | Wyzard, right |
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| 04:26.16 | jetscreamer | i dunno what's up with that guy (maintainer) |
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| 04:26.18 | Wyzard | I ran into it with VMware modules yesterday |
| 04:26.25 | jetscreamer | he's been getting kinda flaky imo |
| 04:26.29 | elik | Wyzard, jetscreamer, reading the post, there seems to be some linux-kernel-arch to linux-kernel-common links missing |
| 04:26.45 | Wyzard | I just figured I'll wait awhile for a package udpate; I don't *need* 2.6.29 |
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| 04:27.44 | elik | jetscreamer, do you know where I could find instructions on how to install it the way you're thinking? |
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| 04:28.38 | elik | Wyzard, that's what I'd do, if only I didn't WANT those 2.6.29 wifi drivers updates SO BADLY! |
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| 04:31.05 | fdemocracy | why did i not get a chance to deselct packages out of these 812 packs im now downloading |
| 04:31.09 | fdemocracy | man this sucks |
| 04:31.34 | fdemocracy | i would i would expect to get the chance to fine tune my packages |
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| 04:33.34 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: you can fine tune it with netinstall |
| 04:34.38 | fdemocracy | i didnt get the opportunity |
| 04:34.54 | jetscreamer | elik: just compile a kernel, install it, then do your nvidia in your usual fashion |
| 04:34.58 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: or may be with jigdo |
| 04:35.31 | fdemocracy | HOW can i do that? |
| 04:35.32 | jetscreamer | m-a a-i whatever.. not sure that package will work though |
| 04:35.34 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: aptitude always offer to you the chance to install exatly what you want |
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| 04:35.50 | jetscreamer | it's sopurce, should duh |
| 04:35.54 | jetscreamer | source |
| 04:36.29 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: after the installation process, you can alway run aptitude as root |
| 04:36.40 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: or synaptic |
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| 04:38.35 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: aptitude and synaptic are frontends to apt and dpkg that are the packages manager |
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| 04:42.10 | bpun | ponders aptitude requires aptitude update |
| 04:42.12 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: may be you selected the tasksel group of packages in the installation process? |
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| 04:44.08 | fdemocracy | Trek00: i dont know |
| 04:44.21 | fdemocracy | i clicked a few enter keys which got my installation aborted |
| 04:44.29 | fdemocracy | and then tried working with the package manager again |
| 04:44.44 | fdemocracy | but now it would keep telling me the mirror i selected (and it didnt matter which mirror i tried) failed |
| 04:44.51 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: so the installation is finished? |
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| 04:45.53 | fdemocracy | Trek00: no it failed |
| 04:45.56 | fdemocracy | miserably |
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| 04:46.21 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: you already reboot without the boot cd? |
| 04:46.33 | fdemocracy | i am abandoning debian for gnetoo |
| 04:46.36 | fdemocracy | no. |
| 04:47.27 | Trek00 | ah ok |
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| 04:48.56 | Matson | my /var/cache/apt/archives has 1.3G of .deb files - waht are they and do I need to keep them? |
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| 04:49.26 | Trek00 | Matson: they are only cached |
| 04:49.51 | Matson | Trek00: I understand a web cache - files I might go back and look at again |
| 04:49.54 | Trek00 | Matson: they may be needed if you remove and then what to reinstall a package |
| 04:50.03 | Matson | I don't understand why I need .deb packages cached |
| 04:50.11 | Trek00 | Matson: or in the case a new version of a package is broken, you always have the old version |
| 04:50.44 | Matson | seems like a rare use case |
| 04:51.07 | Trek00 | Matson: when a new version of the package is realeased, the old version is deleted from the mirrors |
| 04:51.17 | Trek00 | Matson: yes, I don't know other usage of this cache |
| 04:51.25 | Trek00 | Matson: you can automatically limit its grown |
| 04:51.39 | Matson | oldest ones go back to 2003-04-21 ! |
| 04:52.45 | Wyzard | It's rare to need an older version of a package, and on those rare occasions, you can get them from snapshot.debian.net |
| 04:53.14 | Matson | I find things like this really difficult with Debian |
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| 04:53.30 | Wyzard | I've been running sid for about 8 years and I've never really seen any benefit in apt's cache; I always clear it after doing upgrades (which is pretty much daily) |
| 04:54.03 | Matson | something is using a *lot* of diskspace in every backup I do - that I [feel like I] don't need |
| 04:54.26 | elik | Matson, get rid of it, it's as easy as aptitude clean |
| 04:54.31 | elik | or is it auto-clean? |
| 04:54.42 | Matson | elik: I already am |
| 04:54.57 | enouf | apt-get autoclean |
| 04:55.15 | Trek00 | Matson: you can setup apt to your needs |
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| 04:55.39 | Matson | Trek00: which is exactly why I'm not going to use Debian any more after 6 years |
| 04:55.43 | Trek00 | see the comments in the start of /etc/cron.daily/apt |
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| 04:55.53 | Trek00 | APT::Archives::MaxSize APT::Archives::MaxAge APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval |
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| 04:57.23 | Trek00 | Matson: you don't like that you can customize a system to your needs? |
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| 04:57.48 | Matson | customization is great |
| 04:58.01 | Matson | lets look at /etc/cron.daily/apt though - all the useful features are disabled |
| 04:58.24 | Matson | and as a 6-year veteran od debian - who wrote my own cron scripts to update and upgrade regualrly |
| 04:58.29 | Matson | I didn't even know it was there |
| 04:58.41 | Trek00 | elik: autoclean remove only old packages from the cache, clean all packages |
| 04:58.45 | Matson | not htat my ignorance is a failing of debian |
| 04:59.13 | Matson | but that common use case needs are not set as the default is the issue I raise |
| 04:59.19 | Trek00 | Matson: these useful features may be hurt someone |
| 04:59.21 | fdemocracy | Matson: use gentoo |
| 04:59.24 | elik | Trek00, ok |
| 04:59.29 | fdemocracy | debian is in bed with the nsa (openssl bug) ;) |
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| 04:59.58 | Matson | fdemocracy: why gentoo? |
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| 05:00.32 | Matson | Trek00: cleaning out 6 year old .deb files might hurt someone? |
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| 05:00.34 | Trek00 | sorry to Matson and fdemocracy, but I can't help you, you don't really have a problem with debian. |
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| 05:02.21 | Manoj | hi folks |
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| 05:07.14 | enouf | someone who calls a .deb a file is surely a troll ... |
| 05:07.18 | enouf | :-P |
| 05:07.43 | Stargazers | Why so :O |
| 05:07.51 | Manoj | well, isn't it a file? |
| 05:07.54 | enouf | Manoj: aloha to you |
| 05:08.14 | enouf | sure .. "everything is a file ..." |
| 05:08.22 | Stargazers | And deb is a file too. |
| 05:08.30 | enouf | even 42 |
| 05:08.33 | Manoj | it is file which is an ar archive of a couple of tar achives |
| 05:08.45 | enouf | !package |
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| 05:08.49 | Manoj | err, comprtessed tar archives |
| 05:08.53 | enouf | heh |
| 05:08.58 | Stargazers | So? It is a file still. |
| 05:09.04 | Stargazers | Collection of files \o. |
| 05:09.13 | enouf | but no regular debian user would call them that |
| 05:09.17 | Manoj | right. I am not sure I see a connectiohn to being a troll |
| 05:09.20 | Stargazers | Like a Gigant porn movies are collection of porn movie clips :D |
| 05:09.20 | Trek00 | a partition is a file, but you don't call it file |
| 05:09.22 | Trek00 | :) |
| 05:09.29 | kriebz | yes they would |
| 05:09.46 | Manoj | Umm, no sure if a partition is a file |
| 05:09.52 | kriebz | saying "package" has a lot more meaning than the *files* in /var/cache/apt |
| 05:09.59 | enouf | Manoj: you showed up late (concerning my reference) .. just ignore me |
| 05:10.01 | kriebz | Manoj: ls -l /dev |
| 05:10.02 | Manoj | there is a distinction between a directory and a file, too |
| 05:10.16 | kriebz | Manoj: again, not really, and not always |
| 05:10.24 | kriebz | on Solaris, you can cat a directory |
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| 05:10.46 | enouf | Manoj: to 'dd' ; /dev/hda1 is just another file :-P |
| 05:10.52 | AbsoluteValue | Pornography is anti-feminist. Men who watch it are rapists. |
| 05:11.06 | Stargazers | AbsoluteValue: Right. And womens whom look it? |
| 05:11.15 | Stargazers | And how about gay-porn? |
| 05:11.18 | kriebz | is that actually on-topic? |
| 05:11.22 | Trek00 | AbsoluteValue: and gay porn? |
| 05:11.27 | Trek00 | :) |
| 05:11.31 | Stargazers | :P |
| 05:11.39 | kriebz | wow... that came too quickly and too naturally |
| 05:11.41 | AbsoluteValue | Stargazers: That's different, and women are more moral. |
| 05:11.46 | Stargazers | AbsoluteValue: LOL. |
| 05:11.50 | Stargazers | "Absolutely". |
| 05:12.01 | enouf | Manoj: though i concur, saying "file" implies FileSystem level metadata ... but sorry for even continuing along this vein |
| 05:12.09 | rhodescus | Debian rapes porn |
| 05:12.22 | Trek00 | :D |
| 05:12.26 | AbsoluteValue | playing Madonna - Give it to me |
| 05:12.44 | kriebz | predicts a Godwin's if this conversation continues |
| 05:12.46 | Manoj | y'all are referring to how programs react to fs objects; but the raw layout of the bits, there is a distinction between a file and a directory and a partition |
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| 05:12.58 | Trek00 | so, I will definitely abadon debian because it rape porn |
| 05:13.18 | enouf | partitions are walls, what's contained and how it's defined is something else |
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| 05:13.30 | rhodescus | Trek00: abaddon? |
| 05:13.40 | roe_ | I can always depend on #debian for lively chat |
| 05:13.45 | Stargazers | Maybe Abbath instead. |
| 05:13.51 | Stargazers | http://kilo.naurunappula.com/nn/0/226/432/436602.jpg |
| 05:14.16 | Manoj | Trek00: so, please do? can you do so right now, and leave the rest of us in peace? |
| 05:14.44 | Trek00 | rhodescus: sorry, my english is a random error routine |
| 05:14.51 | AbsoluteValue | Trek00: Anthropormorphizing inanimate objects isn't mentally healthy. |
| 05:14.55 | Manoj | Trek00: why are you still around, with us rape porn partakers? |
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| 05:15.10 | Manoj | Trek00: should you not be leaving now? |
| 05:15.18 | Stargazers | Don't be so rude :/ |
| 05:15.46 | rhodescus | Sorry all, I looked over at the window and couldn't resist. |
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| 05:16.03 | mules666_5 | morgen |
| 05:16.07 | Trek00 | Manoj: I was come here in the hope that my installation problem wasn't a bug |
| 05:16.22 | Stargazers | Trek00: So, was it? |
| 05:16.25 | Stargazers | mules666_5: Morgen. |
| 05:16.30 | AbsoluteValue | !ops Trek00 is being anti feminist. Please stop him! |
| 05:16.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: absolutevalue complains about: Trek00 is being anti feminist. Please stop him! |
| 05:16.48 | bkjoe | don't do that.. |
| 05:16.51 | Manoj | Trek00: well, at least an install problem would actually be on topic |
| 05:16.57 | Trek00 | Stargazers: there is a bug on the initramfs/mdadm stuff i think |
| 05:16.57 | AbsoluteValue | Okay. |
| 05:17.06 | Stargazers | All right. |
| 05:17.58 | Manoj | Trek00: anyway, I missed what your problem was. Did you find a solution? |
| 05:18.00 | enouf | Manoj: what's up with make-kpkg being deprecated as of late? "/msg dpkg kernel compile" (though i'm sure if anyone is in the know, it's you ;-)) |
| 05:18.03 | streuner | Manoj: hi |
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| 05:18.12 | Trek00 | Stargazers: if you fresh install a new debian 5.0 lenny (official etc etc) on a root raid1, it don't boot |
| 05:18.28 | Manoj | enouf: that is probable a wrong factoid someone fed dpkg |
| 05:18.29 | Stargazers | Ah. I have no raid so I can't test :S |
| 05:18.38 | Trek00 | Manoj: no, I think I should fill a bugreport |
| 05:18.54 | streuner | Manoj: can you edit the factoid? |
| 05:19.03 | Manoj | Trek00: ah. A root raid, with no /boot outside of raid? |
| 05:19.24 | Trek00 | yes |
| 05:19.24 | Manoj | treb0r: That would be tricky. Lilo might be able to pull it off, but not grub |
| 05:19.33 | Manoj | err, Trek00, even |
| 05:19.43 | Trek00 | Manoj: a single simple root raid1 partition |
| 05:20.00 | Manoj | streuner: I have no idea how to do so. let me see if I can ask dpkg |
| 05:20.01 | enouf | Manoj: i think i saw a bug report where maks had mentioned it, however .. i don't want to misquote anyone or put words in anyone's mouth |
| 05:20.04 | Trek00 | Manoj: with etch I never had a problem |
| 05:20.18 | enouf | Manoj: ahh .. can you tell me if i'm misinterpreting this? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521712#25 |
| 05:20.22 | HeXiLeD | what is the difference between proftpd and proftpd-basic |
| 05:20.48 | streuner | Manoj: http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html |
| 05:20.53 | enouf | Manoj: i realize kernel-package != make-kpkg per se |
| 05:22.19 | enouf | streuner: Manoj i know how to edit the dpkg bot factoids if necessary ... though abrotman might think differently :-P |
| 05:22.59 | Stargazers | Can I somehow resize root partition "on the fly", err, propably not? |
| 05:23.16 | Stargazers | I have buffalo NAS where I have Debian installed, but size of root partition is too small. |
| 05:23.48 | Manoj | enouf: some random person deprecates kernel-package |
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| 05:24.22 | Trek00 | Manoj: why you said that lilo can boot a root raid and grub not?!? |
| 05:24.25 | Manoj | enouf: These FUD factoids about kernel-package should be deleted, I think |
| 05:24.27 | enouf | Manoj: hah .. c'mon - you think it was just a bad day? |
| 05:24.43 | enouf | Manoj: i would talk to dondelelcaro about that then |
| 05:24.53 | Manoj | Trek00: Because that was discussed on debian-devel yesterday, and that is what the grub2 folks said |
| 05:24.55 | enouf | or even stew perhaps |
| 05:25.13 | Manoj | enouf: why? maxx is an idiot |
| 05:25.14 | enouf | Trek00: ask in #grub |
| 05:25.21 | Trek00 | Manoj: but it actually boot |
| 05:25.24 | enouf | Manoj: oh dear ... |
| 05:25.39 | Trek00 | Manoj: grub is loading the kernel and the initrd image |
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| 05:26.17 | Trek00 | is the initramfs-tools/mdadm scripts that fails |
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| 05:26.48 | Trek00 | enouf: grub is ok, it boot! |
| 05:26.48 | Wyzard | grub1 only understands plain filesystems so you can't have the /boot directory on a software raid, but I think grub2 supports Linux software raid |
| 05:26.52 | Wyzard | lvm too |
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| 05:27.24 | Trek00 | Wyzard: but grub load the kernel and the initrd images! |
| 05:27.33 | enouf | see grub.enbug.org or vice-versa for grub2 info |
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| 05:27.39 | Trek00 | Wyzard: so grub definitely works |
| 05:28.07 | Trek00 | I don't check if the debian installer installed grub 1 or 2 |
| 05:28.25 | Wyzard | Trek00: well, raid1 is a special case because the individual component devices each look like ordinary standalone disks |
| 05:28.32 | Trek00 | yes |
| 05:28.33 | Wyzard | It's the raid modes that involve striping that grub wouldn't understand |
| 05:28.47 | Wyzard | Debian installs grub1 by default because grub2 is still in development |
| 05:28.48 | Trek00 | no striping on the root partition :) |
| 05:29.03 | Wyzard | but grub1 should be fine reading from raid1 |
| 05:29.14 | enouf | Wyzard: might it not be more apropos to say "grub1 doesn't understand virtual block devices" rather than "plain file systems" ? |
| 05:29.24 | Trek00 | the thing I don't understand is why etch install fine on root raid and why lenny not |
| 05:29.25 | enouf | er +only understands |
| 05:30.20 | Wyzard | enouf: "virtual block device" doesn't really mean anything to me in the context of a bootloader |
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| 05:31.23 | Wyzard | I guess to be precise I'd say that grub assumes a 1:1 linear mapping between logical filesystem blocks and physical disk blocks |
| 05:31.51 | Wyzard | and that the filesystem begins at the beginning of the device (partition or whole disk) that it's trying to mount |
| 05:31.52 | Manoj | OK. I think I have removed most of the FUD |
| 05:32.25 | enouf | yeah, my language sucks right now .. going on 24 hours awake ... after work ... blah blah ... nm me |
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| 05:33.45 | Manoj | Trek00: anyway, I have succesfully installed Lenyy with /boot on a plain partition or raid 0, and everything else on lvm on software raid |
| 05:33.50 | enouf | Manoj: excellent .. now i hope someone doesn't wander in and call you a name :-P |
| 05:33.54 | jiva | Can someone help me with an apt-get upgrade problem? When attempting to upgrade I'm getting this error: http://paste.lisp.org/display/78234 |
| 05:34.09 | Manoj | Trek00: Indeed, the machine I am typing from is set up that way |
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| 05:34.29 | Trek00 | Manoj: my problem is to have at least a raid1 |
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| 05:34.40 | Wyzard | mine too, plus a dm-crypt layer |
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| 05:35.04 | Manoj | Trek00: you can't have a small 64MB partition not on raid? |
| 05:35.38 | Trek00 | Manoj: it's a maintainence problem |
| 05:35.47 | Wyzard | I don't think grub loading the kernel/initrd was the problem, though |
| 05:35.48 | Manoj | enouf: deprecating an actively developed and supported package takes a lot of gall |
| 05:35.52 | Trek00 | Manoj: and we always done root raid here |
| 05:35.53 | AbsoluteValue | My RAID is my Gmail account. |
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| 05:36.24 | Manoj | Trek00: well, please file a bug; indeed, please file an installation report, too, to the debian-installer folks |
| 05:36.27 | Trek00 | Wyzard: the problem is in initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/mdadm i think |
| 05:36.41 | Manoj | the d-i folks might be able to marshall the right set of people to help resolve the issue |
| 05:36.46 | Wyzard | and that has nothing to do with grub |
| 05:36.53 | Wyzard | dunno what the cause might be, though |
| 05:37.02 | Trek00 | Manoj: yes I will do it |
| 05:37.12 | Manoj | Trek00: thanks |
| 05:38.00 | Trek00 | I come here to check if it was a common error or my fault |
| 05:38.27 | Manoj | Trek00: I thnk it is a known issue, but there might be workarounds |
| 05:38.56 | Trek00 | jiva: are you doing a distupgrade? |
| 05:39.09 | enouf | Manoj: if that is the (full) case, i guess i would concur entirely - i only was asking for clarification, not to start a war ... but you are here now, so i thought i'd ask about it |
| 05:39.12 | jiva | trek: I did originally, yes. |
| 05:39.19 | Trek00 | Manoj: I saw similar bugs for upgrading |
| 05:39.34 | jiva | now it's doing that just on upgrade by itself |
| 05:40.11 | jiva | I know it says to do apt-get -f ... but somehow doing a -f on libc issues smells like a bad idea. |
| 05:40.19 | Trek00 | jiva: something was broken in the upgrading process because you have old libc |
| 05:40.38 | jiva | this server is like 40 miles from me... so I really don't want to go down there in person and have to reboot it |
| 05:40.51 | jiva | Trek00: any ideas on how I can fix it? |
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| 05:41.22 | Trek00 | jiva: not a safe solution sorry, I don't do distupgrades |
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| 05:41.33 | jiva | what do you do? |
| 05:41.46 | Manoj | enouf: the official kernel team have been working on an elabgorate and complex schema for building packages (involves linux-kbuild and linux-tree and whatnot), and they no longer adovocate make-kpkg for their official build. Except that they still need it, despite everything |
| 05:41.54 | Relampago | heLLo |
| 05:42.00 | jiva | I'd be happy if I could just get the error to go away. |
| 05:42.13 | jiva | and then get like security updates only... I don't need current stuff. |
| 05:42.19 | Manoj | but the kernel team do not support building from upstrwam sources either -- only from the Debian linux-2.6 source tree |
| 05:42.25 | Relampago | someone have an 3d Ati radeon Working fine on Debian ? |
| 05:42.29 | Trek00 | jiva: usually a make a new installation |
| 05:42.35 | jiva | blah |
| 05:43.50 | Manoj | enouf: the project has not taken a stand about how peolpe build kernels. There is the official kernel way, there is the end user tool make-kpkg, and then there is an upstream make degb route |
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| 05:44.06 | Trek00 | jiva: do you already readed the upgrade page on the installation manual? |
| 05:44.17 | Manoj | people should select the tool they like |
| 05:44.20 | jiva | no I didn't... got a link? |
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| 05:46.26 | jiva | do you think doing -f might help? or hurt? |
| 05:46.38 | rrowell | i've got a tomcat group and user and a script run.sh which is setuid and owned/grouped tomcat... But when I run it as "richard" the corresponding tomcat process shows up as being owned by "richard" when I run a ps -aux ?) |
| 05:47.45 | rrowell | am i confused or ? |
| 05:47.52 | jiva | if I do apt-get -sf upgrade I get a whole pile of things to install... that is, it seems to think it can fix the dependency issue. |
| 05:48.09 | Trek00 | jiva: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html |
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| 05:49.09 | ross` | can someone tell me if text highlighting scripts for php and css exist for nano |
| 05:49.11 | Trek00 | jiva: I can't suggest something safe to you, usually I install a new debian so I'm not confident with update process |
| 05:49.11 | huangfei | is there a 'arch' command on debian? it's a part of coreutils in other distro |
| 05:49.16 | ross` | it has highlighting scripts for just about everythign else |
| 05:49.53 | Relampago | somebody have a 3d Ati radeon Working fine on Debian ? |
| 05:49.54 | Relampago | :X |
| 05:50.04 | Trek00 | huangfei: I have the arch command |
| 05:50.51 | huangfei | Trek00: so, that's strange, which package does it belong to then? |
| 05:51.14 | Trek00 | huangfei: util-linux under etch (the oldstable debian) |
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| 05:52.51 | huangfei | Trek00: that meas I can't use the command with lenny? it's just not available |
| 05:53.20 | Trek00 | huangfei: sorry I don't have a running lenny here |
| 05:53.38 | Trek00 | huangfei: but you can search it on packages.debian.org |
| 05:54.09 | Trek00 | jiva: apt-get -sf upgrade show to you the new libc? |
| 05:54.24 | bpun | what should i set ulimit to? i get 'Broken pipe' when using recordmydesktop |
| 05:54.50 | jiva | Inst libc6 [2.3.6.ds1-13etch8] (2.7-18 Debian:5.0/stable) yeah |
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| 05:55.45 | Trek00 | jiva: so it should fix this, but if you readed the upgrading pages of the release notes you see the correct way to upgrade |
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| 05:56.19 | Trek00 | /m huangfei http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=%2Fbin%2Farch&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 05:56.23 | huangfei | Trek00: tks a lot, I thought packages like coreutils, util-linux are the same across distro |
| 05:57.14 | Trek00 | huangfei: arch is in util-linux on etch (oldstable) but not on lenny (newstable) |
| 05:57.21 | Manoj | I do not have anything called arch on my machine. Hmm |
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| 05:58.12 | Manoj | and I do have util-linux installed |
| 05:58.15 | Trek00 | huangfei: I think you should prefer `uname -m` |
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| 05:58.22 | huangfei | Trek00: yep, that's right, but it's part of 'coreutils' on gentoo, hoho. thank you |
| 05:58.59 | Trek00 | :) |
| 05:59.37 | bpun | huangfei, a distro is made by arch and package type-- u can say "distro a".. but we'd have no idea what architecture ur talking about... |
| 05:59.58 | Wyzard | !tell bpun about ur |
| 06:00.15 | huangfei | Trek00: sometimes 'uname -m' got different output, I have a shell script depends on it, maybe I should consider using uname cause it's usually available |
| 06:00.33 | bpun | Wyzard, i'm trying to illustrated about talking loosely.. he's assuming that distro packages are the same because they're named the same |
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| 06:00.56 | Trek00 | bpun: huangfei means /bin/arch |
| 06:01.23 | bpun | laughs out loud about how all other distros suck in comparison to debian : "No need to go there!!" |
| 06:01.25 | huangfei | bpun: I'm using i686 |
| 06:02.24 | bpun | huangfei, u just need to type uname -a .. and know the name of the debian release.. |
| 06:02.26 | Manoj | zsh: no such file or directory: /bin/arch |
| 06:03.02 | bpun | huangfei, and dont listen to non-debian idiots.. especially from the ubuntu camp about what to include in ur sources.list... |
| 06:03.08 | Trek00 | huangfei: I don't know the difference between arch and uname -m but if you are searching compatibility, I don't think you will find arch on systems other Linux |
| 06:03.16 | bpun | apologizes for ubuntu users here.. |
| 06:03.39 | Trek00 | Manoj: arch is not included in debian lenny |
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| 06:03.43 | bpun | huangfei, but keep everything simple .. keep it "debianness" |
| 06:04.11 | Manoj | Trek00: or in Sid/Squeeze |
| 06:04.30 | huangfei | Trek00: you are right, I should use more generic and compatitable. |
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| 06:05.02 | Trek00 | huangfei: happy to help :) |
| 06:06.03 | huangfei | bpun: uh, I realize that I should not use the command any more, I'll try uname instead, thanks |
| 06:06.54 | bpun | huangfei, if in doubt.. the wikipedia is not bad resource and wiki.debian.org |
| 06:07.23 | bpun | i'm still pondering why recordmydesktop is giving 'Broken pipe' messages |
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| 06:10.28 | Trek00 | bpun: ther README.Debian.gz says anything about? |
| 06:11.41 | bpun | l |
| 06:11.42 | bpun | k |
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| 06:11.53 | bpun | i think i fixed it.. just a quadruple of the buffer size! :) |
| 06:12.18 | bpun | i have this old 6 year old laptop.. |
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| 06:14.30 | Trek00 | bpun: what was your buffer size? and now? It is written in the package README.Debian? |
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| 06:20.16 | bpun | Trek00, there's no README.Debian |
| 06:21.45 | A-140 | wow 885 |
| 06:22.25 | bpun | recordmydesktop fails here... anyone else has this working or not? |
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| 06:23.15 | Trek00 | bpun: it is not working now after ulimit change? |
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| 06:25.38 | bpun | Trek00, my ulimit was always unlimitted... |
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| 06:26.29 | Trek00 | bpun: sorry I misunderstood |
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| 06:31.40 | CaT[t2] | since I don't want to pull in 19MB worth of packages when I install ssh, can someone point me at something that'll tell apt not to auto-install recommends? |
| 06:32.31 | bpun | this isn't debian's problem.. more like for the encoders.. decoders work great... more like a linux global issue yikes.. did i just say that? |
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| 06:32.52 | Trek00 | CaT[t2]: I don't know the config value, but you can unselect them before to accept, download and install |
| 06:33.08 | dondelelcaro | CaT[t2]: aptitude --without-recommends install openssh-client; or similar. |
| 06:33.35 | bpun | CaT[t2], apt and aptitude are different apps |
| 06:33.38 | CaT[t2] | dondelelcaro: don't want to be doing that with every install and I don't like aptitiude. |
| 06:33.54 | dondelelcaro | CaT[t2]: then man apt.conf; and learn how to set apt configuration options |
| 06:33.57 | CaT[t2] | bpun: indeed, except now apt has this glorious feature of aptitudes that's annoying. |
| 06:34.35 | bpun | CaT[t2], ? |
| 06:34.59 | CaT[t2] | bpun: just used apt-get to install ssh on a new install. it wanted to pull in X. |
| 06:35.01 | bpun | CaT[t2], point a doc to backup what ur saying or i'll trash u |
| 06:35.07 | dondelelcaro | I'm sure you'll find APT {Install-Recommends "false";}; to be quite useful |
| 06:35.14 | Trek00 | CaT[t2]: as dondelelcaro suggests, read the man pages of aptitude/apt.conf. you can add Aptitude::Recommends-Important |
| 06:35.17 | dondelelcaro | CaT[t2]: uh, no, it wants to isntall xauth |
| 06:35.31 | CaT[t2] | dondelelcaro: which pulls in a bunch of X libs. |
| 06:35.35 | dondelelcaro | CaT[t2]: which depends on a few X libraries, which you'll probably end up getting anywa |
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| 06:35.46 | dondelelcaro | (which isn't X) |
| 06:35.48 | CaT[t2] | dondelelcaro: thanks for the config line, btw. |
| 06:36.22 | bpun | CaT[t2], if it wants X.. supposedly it is telling u that X11 forwarding is a feature it supports.. |
| 06:36.30 | dondelelcaro | though you'll almost certainly end up wanting most of the things that are recommended |
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| 06:36.54 | CaT[t2] | dondelelcaro: only if this is to be a desktop. |
| 06:37.52 | sproaty | I just used dpkg-buildpackage an made myself a .deb file, but it's AMD64, how would I make a general x86 one? |
| 06:37.53 | dondelelcaro | CaT[t2]: even if it's a server. |
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| 06:38.22 | dondelelcaro | about the only time you wouldn't want those things is if you're running on a machine where disk space is a premium |
| 06:38.22 | Trek00 | CaT[t2]: if the package depends from some X lib, you should recompile the package without the x11 forward if you don't want the x libs |
| 06:39.01 | CaT[t2] | Trek00: it doesn't. someone thinks xauth is a nice-to-have and apt, by default, treats such a recommendation seriously enough to install it for you. |
| 06:39.03 | Trek00 | sproaty: the simples way is to do dpkg-buildpackage on a x86 machine :) |
| 06:39.06 | dondelelcaro | Trek00: actually, most major packages have -nox variants |
| 06:39.31 | dondelelcaro | well, xauth is necessary if you're going to do X11Forwarding, which is kind of useful |
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| 06:39.39 | CaT[t2] | dondelelcaro: no. xauth does not belong on a server |
| 06:39.44 | dondelelcaro | CaT[t2]: sure it does |
| 06:39.53 | sproaty | Trek00: so I can't? Am I only limiting my package to amd 64 users then? |
| 06:40.49 | dondelelcaro | it's not something that you use all of the time, but it's quite useful to be able to do X11Forwarding |
| 06:41.32 | Trek00 | sproaty: you should probably install some cross compile thing but I don't know how to interface them with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 06:41.54 | CaT[t2] | dondelelcaro: then you install it on that legitimate moment and then sod it off. servers should only have things needed for them to perform their function. |
| 06:42.57 | dondelelcaro | CaT[t2]: administrating a server is a legitimate function; it's not like having extra libraries and xauth causes any harm |
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| 06:43.13 | aredhel | sproaty, make a 32bit chroot, build it there. Or rent space on a 32bit debian server. |
| 06:43.20 | dondelelcaro | CaT[t2]: but in any event, you can easily decide differently and make decisions for yourself; it's not like it matters to me. |
| 06:43.37 | CaT[t2] | dondelelcaro: I manage over 50. the only X related libs on them are ones pulled in for ucking around with graphical file formats. |
| 06:44.03 | dondelelcaro | CaT[t2]: I'm just telling you why it's the way it is, and why it's not going to change from being Recommends: to Suggest; |
| 06:44.11 | Trek00 | CaT[t2]: the good thing is that openssh do not depend from xauth, only recommends. |
| 06:44.17 | dondelelcaro | CaT[t2]: that's great; I've lost track of how many I've managed |
| 06:44.35 | dondelelcaro | (there are probably a few hundred thousand running my packages) |
| 06:44.42 | CaT[t2] | Trek00: yeah. |
| 06:45.21 | sproaty | sounds complex |
| 06:46.04 | Trek00 | sproaty: compiling is complex |
| 06:46.33 | aredhel | sproaty, the chroot isn't that bad, it's in the debian wiki some place. It's the same as a unix -> debian install. |
| 06:46.36 | sproaty | Trek00: that's why I'm using python :) |
| 06:47.17 | Trek00 | sproaty: the package dpkg-cross may help you |
| 06:47.31 | dondelelcaro | sproaty: all you need is to use pbuilder with the --arch option |
| 06:47.51 | scuser | hi all, any help with this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/146721/ ? |
| 06:48.30 | sproaty | Trek00, dondelelcaro: k, I'll look into that |
| 06:48.31 | dondelelcaro | sproaty: it's pretty trivial; cowbuilder --create --buildpath ~/pbuilder/base_i386 --debootstrapopts --arch=i386; will do it for you |
| 06:48.46 | dondelelcaro | sproaty: then you just cowbuilder --build --buildpath ~/pbuilder/base_i386 foo.dsc; |
| 06:48.50 | dondelelcaro | (or use pdebuild) |
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| 06:50.07 | sproaty | ah, I ain't got the disk space for pdebuild, needs java |
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| 06:50.39 | dondelelcaro | scuser: that sure looks like you're not linking with -lc |
| 06:51.05 | Wyzard | scuser: Searching for "undefined reference to __ctype_tolower" turns up http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2002-10/msg00139.html which asks about the same problem |
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| 06:51.25 | Wyzard | scuser: and the reply is that "you have old static libraries that are not compatible with glibc 2.3" |
| 06:51.43 | Wyzard | scuser: Since you're linking with a static library, libgreputils.a, perhaps that's the cause |
| 06:51.56 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: shouldn't -lc be implicit as long as -nodefaultlibs isn't used? |
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| 06:52.13 | Wyzard | -L/usr/lib shouldn't be necessary btw (that's implicit too) |
| 06:52.39 | Wyzard | and why -lpcre twice? |
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| 06:57.03 | batcoder-7 | all of this is actually clicking quite good right now |
| 06:57.41 | Trek00 | stupid question: someone knows why lenny is 5.0 and not 4.1? |
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| 06:59.13 | Stargazers | What? |
| 06:59.59 | spain | does someone know about some application for freezing accounts in public internet rooms? something where a user can play with the computer but the account is left unmodified? |
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| 07:02.28 | Trek00 | debian 2.0 had glibc, the 3.0 version had FHS and LSB, the 4.0 had linux 2.6 and udev, but the 5.0 version of Debian don't have big changes like others.. only full utf8 support I see |
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| 07:03.04 | peppe | Trek00: but the 6.0 will bring you telepathic support |
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| 07:03.36 | Trek00 | :D |
| 07:03.39 | Trek00 | peppe: and the 6.1 the secure telepathic support? ;) |
| 07:04.05 | Wyzard | I think back when 4.1 was released, there was some debate saying that it should've been 5.0 but it was too late since the number had been announced already |
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| 07:04.46 | Wyzard | wait, there was no 4.1, that was 3.1 I'm thinking of |
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| 07:05.11 | steven___ | *is hoping for zfs support in debian 6.0 :) lol |
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| 07:05.33 | steven___ | or more likely btrfs |
| 07:05.56 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: yes, certainly |
| 07:05.57 | Trek00 | Wyzard: so 4.0 would be 3.2 or you are saying about lenny? |
| 07:06.10 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: but since that symbol is in libc... |
| 07:06.26 | Wyzard | Trek00: 3.1 could've been 4.0 but wasn't; it has nothing to do with 5.0, so nevermind me |
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| 07:06.51 | Trek00 | :) |
| 07:07.08 | spain | does someone know about some application for freezing accounts and desktops in public internet rooms? something where a user can play with the computer but the account and desktop is left unmodified? |
| 07:07.16 | Trek00 | 3.1 version was the longer developed I remember |
| 07:07.26 | Trek00 | more than 2 years |
| 07:07.50 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: There'd be many more errors than those if libc wasn't being linked in |
| 07:07.56 | outlaw84 | I got several partitions mount on my system, the one containing / is shown as full, how can I quickly find out what is taking up all the space? |
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| 07:08.40 | Trek00 | outlaw84: du may help you |
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| 07:08.53 | Wyzard | might be something involving symbol versioning, but I don't know much about that |
| 07:09.32 | Trek00 | outlaw84: du -cshx /* |
| 07:09.59 | outlaw84 | Trek00: thanks |
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| 07:14.25 | parsonsd | Trek00 - isn't that about the same as `df /`? |
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| 07:15.00 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: yerp; it's just the first thing that came to mind. I didn't notice the static library being linked. [And that symbol isn't versioned./] |
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| 07:15.40 | damaex | . |
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| 07:17.17 | parsonsd | Trek00 - oh, boo. nevermind. |
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| 07:17.41 | sproaty | hurrah my .deb installed |
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| 07:20.07 | EmleyMoor | If I am reverting back to an old copy of the contents of the /usr partition, how do I make sure new updates are got? |
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| 07:22.16 | valdyn | !reinstall |
| 07:22.16 | dpkg | somebody said reinstall was aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
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| 07:23.43 | EmleyMoor | valdyn: Excellent - I may now be able to fix this with a shutdown shorter than half a day |
| 07:23.46 | peppe | why that COLUMNS? doesn't dpkg use a smart size when outputting on a non-terminal? |
| 07:24.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, that's weird |
| 07:24.25 | valdyn | peppe: probably needed for etch and older |
| 07:24.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be wide enough on a pipe |
| 07:25.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think even sarge or potato cut of anything for a pipe |
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| 07:27.12 | sep | i have used that command and it was requiered at that time. |
| 07:27.18 | EmleyMoor | Of course, if it all goes pear shaped, I can do a rebuild... but could do with avoiding it |
| 07:27.32 | sep | dunno if it was woody or sarge |
| 07:28.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, perhaps |
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| 07:28.28 | EmleyMoor | If I could shift the broken /usr/lib64, I could fix this even quicker |
| 07:28.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands EmleyMoor a shift key |
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| 07:30.04 | EmleyMoor | I might actually have found a way that might work |
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| 07:36.50 | Natilous | Hi all, anyone use "tripwire" ? |
| 07:37.16 | azeem | !anyone |
| 07:37.16 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search> |
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| 07:37.59 | Devrethman | is exim4 necessary for a computer that doesn't do anything involving email? |
| 07:38.13 | Devrethman | it gets installed by default and takes a good 20 seconds to start at boot time, which is anoying |
| 07:38.15 | Devrethman | *annoying |
| 07:38.17 | EmleyMoor | Devrethman: Some kind of MTA is |
| 07:38.21 | azeem | Devrethman: so fix your networking |
| 07:38.23 | Natilous | is "tripwire" can find any changes to a PC ? since last changes? or can say what is changed to my pc ? |
| 07:38.29 | xoz_ | just finished trying debian+kfreebsd kernel. it seems to be working well... |
| 07:38.36 | Devrethman | what sort of broken netwroking would cause it to do that? |
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| 07:38.49 | azeem | Devrethman: maybe /etc/hosts isn't setup correctly |
| 07:39.11 | Devrethman | what should it have to make exim faster? |
| 07:39.13 | peppe | Devrethman: broken networking in general (bad dns, hosts, no internet connectivity at boot). also, dpkg-reconfigure it; there should be an option for keeping its dns requests off |
| 07:39.26 | Devrethman | oh |
| 07:39.28 | Devrethman | it does DNS requests |
| 07:39.40 | Devrethman | that'd explain the problem |
| 07:39.44 | xoz_ | Devrethman: make it for local routing only |
| 07:39.45 | Devrethman | it's not connected to the internetatm |
| 07:39.51 | Devrethman | *internet |
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| 07:40.09 | peppe | also, you can consider ssmtp / nullmailer if you don't need a fully fledged MTA |
| 07:40.14 | Stargazers | Do I need "Exim4" btw if I want to use "mail" command to send email? I mean, I must use my ISP SMTP-server, can I configure "mail" command to use it? Does mail command use exim4? |
| 07:40.35 | azeem | Stargazers: "mail" uses a local MTA |
| 07:40.47 | azeem | it cannot communicate with remote SMTP servers |
| 07:41.10 | Stargazers | Ok. |
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| 07:41.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | xoz_, hmm, how does that work? it's a separate repro, or ... bsd can run linux binaries in some emulation mode, can't it? |
| 07:41.31 | Stargazers | But I can send mail with it in some computers, mmh. |
| 07:42.24 | peppe | Stargazers: it delivers mail to the local MTA which in turn delivers it to the right mailserver |
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| 07:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Natilous, since you last ran it - it just creates checksums of all files |
| 07:42.57 | swordz | hi, I'm trying to install php5, not having much success |
| 07:43.05 | swordz | done apt-get install php |
| 07:43.30 | Stargazers | peppe: How it does it? I mean, if I want that mail command will forward mail to my ISP SMTP server for sending, can I somehow make it? |
| 07:43.31 | swordz | nothing happens, if I try apt-cache search php I get 3 options, none of which look right |
| 07:43.47 | Stargazers | swordz: Have you doe apt-get update |
| 07:43.58 | xoz_ | CutMeOwnThroat: you have to install a cd and get the repo from ftp.debian-ports.... |
| 07:44.00 | peppe | only three? you should get a bunch of results |
| 07:44.11 | swordz | Stargazers that's it |
| 07:44.14 | xoz_ | CutMeOwnThroat: i installed it in virtualbox |
| 07:44.20 | peppe | Stargazers: don't use "mail" but a proper mail sender :-) |
| 07:44.30 | swordz | I've just added the php mirror, didn't realise I needed to update |
| 07:44.32 | xoz_ | CutMeOwnThroat: booting is quiet fast compared to linux |
| 07:44.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | xoz_, so it's a full port |
| 07:44.33 | Stargazers | peppe: Well, then I should. |
| 07:44.51 | swordz | peppe - you'd think so, apparently php isn't standard with my version of debian... |
| 07:45.12 | xoz_ | CutMeOwnThroat: yep. i thought i could just change the linux kernel... |
| 07:45.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | xoz_, hehe - I remember shutdown under bsd being nice ... "shutting down, programs you got 10 seconds to end your self... 3..2..1. buybuy" |
| 07:45.17 | swordz | Now THAT's more like it! |
| 07:45.21 | swordz | thanks guys |
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| 07:45.43 | Stargazers | Coo. |
| 07:45.46 | Stargazers | +l |
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| 07:46.20 | xoz_ | CutMeOwnThroat: it feels snappier. debian in freebsd is a good thing :) |
| 07:46.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I guess I need linux |
| 07:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 07:47.06 | xoz_ | CutMeOwnThroat: the packages are debian + kfreebsd kernel only. |
| 07:47.16 | xoz_ | CutMeOwnThroat: so, cant notice the difference. |
| 07:47.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes I can on the non-free programs I run |
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| 07:47.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | or wouldn't run :) |
| 07:48.10 | xoz_ | as long as the packages are from debian main, it feels the same :0 |
| 07:48.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't mean the debian non-free repository, but non-free as in "restrictive license" |
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| 07:48.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, guess so |
| 07:48.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | except ps/top output might be different |
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| 07:49.11 | xoz_ | CutMeOwnThroat: the same... the route command is different. |
| 07:49.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I only tested bsd for a very short time, but I think you can't see processes of other users? |
| 07:49.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I thought that was a kernel-(security)thing... providing only the information about your own processes |
| 07:50.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh yeah, and route :) |
| 07:50.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | firewall is totally different as well |
| 07:50.51 | rvsjoen | I know the gresec patches impose that limitation |
| 07:50.58 | rvsjoen | correction, grsec |
| 07:51.04 | xoz_ | debian+kfreebsd behaves like debian+linux. only the kernel idiosyncracy maybe in some cases differ |
| 07:51.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well nice |
| 07:51.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | one could use that to confuse the hell outta some people (including me) :) |
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| 07:52.16 | Trek00 | parsonsd: it was similar, but du give you the detail about the usage of single directories, not the whole disk like df |
| 07:52.22 | xoz_ | i hope it will be release in the future. kernel choice of running linux or bsd is cool |
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| 07:53.01 | xoz_ | a proof of debian's robustness to support different OS and hws |
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| 07:53.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I just thought... |
| 07:53.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | the increase in package number for lenny is really amazing |
| 07:53.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially if you think of all the platforms the stuff has to run on |
| 07:54.31 | xoz_ | geometric progression or hypergeometric progression of debian's usage :) |
| 07:54.56 | Natilous | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry I diconnected from net. |
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| 07:55.56 | Natilous | CutMeOwnThroat: I want to find what change happened and what is it ! |
| 07:55.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Natilous, only when you ran tripwire before the change |
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| 07:56.20 | Natilous | CutMeOwnThroat: Is tripwire can log any changes? like cedit a file! |
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| 07:56.47 | atari2600a | hey |
| 07:56.50 | Natilous | CutMeOwnThroat: tripwire only say what is changed ? form md5sum ? |
| 07:56.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 07:57.00 | atari2600a | I seem to be having a problem with apt |
| 07:57.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | try "apt-cache show tripwire" |
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| 07:57.19 | atari2600a | I deleted an old image manually & now it's bitching at me about it |
| 07:57.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | rkhunter does something similar |
| 07:57.29 | Natilous | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 07:57.43 | atari2600a | where does apt store the list of installed packages? |
| 07:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually they're both most useful, if the checksums go to a read-only medium like a CD that you add every new entry to (or one that can be write-protected afterwards) |
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| 07:59.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !status recovery |
| 07:59.29 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; aptitude install;; |
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| 07:59.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | you wouldn't care to reveal the exact nature of your problem with apt, though? |
| 08:00.17 | jetscreamer | hell no! |
| 08:00.21 | jetscreamer | don't you dare! |
| 08:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | instead you will keep asking circumspect questions and let us guess |
| 08:00.29 | jetscreamer | let us help you??? that would be silly |
| 08:00.34 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 08:00.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you know what |
| 08:00.40 | Natilous | CutMeOwnThroat: I want to get ssh remote to others and want to check them what they do and edit what files and what is their change! |
| 08:00.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm too tired for that :) |
| 08:00.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | g'night |
| 08:00.46 | jetscreamer | nn |
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| 08:00.55 | scuser | hi all, any help with this error "gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11" |
| 08:00.55 | jetscreamer | i'm going to kill ppl myself |
| 08:00.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Natilous, I meant atari2600a :) but good on yer |
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| 08:01.25 | rvsjoen | anyone else using compiz for window manager and experiencing frequent crashes requiring a logout/login to get back to a normal state ? |
| 08:01.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands the knife over to jetscreamer |
| 08:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 08:01.34 | jetscreamer | kbar :) |
| 08:01.38 | atari2600a | I'm confused |
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| 08:01.51 | jetscreamer | fps? |
| 08:02.02 | rvsjoen | this time I think a firefox crash triggered it, but that's not always the case |
| 08:02.30 | xoz_ | scuser: ##c |
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| 08:02.55 | scuser | xoz_: ok thanks |
| 08:03.12 | rvsjoen | when you did what |
| 08:03.57 | rvsjoen | signal 11 is a segmentation fault |
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| 08:04.50 | rvsjoen | likely to be bad memory, run memtest and read this http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 08:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetscreamer, hm, he left - I think he didn't get that you were being ironic? |
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| 08:10.11 | Zmanu | hello |
| 08:10.25 | Zmanu | is it difficult to define a layout dvorak us with debian ? |
| 08:10.40 | Zmanu | is someone has an url or a doc to do this ? |
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| 08:14.11 | OpenTokix | Zmanu: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 08:14.35 | Zmanu | OpenTokix: ok thanks |
| 08:14.47 | Zmanu | is someone use a typematrix 2030 ? |
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| 08:16.09 | maxagaz | i need the ping command to give me only the address which appears after 'from' and nothing else, is that possible ? |
| 08:16.26 | peppe | 1 |
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| 08:16.42 | peppe | ops |
| 08:17.02 | peppe | maxagaz: that should be the address you're pinging |
| 08:17.17 | maxagaz | peppe, yes it is |
| 08:17.42 | OpenTokix | maxagaz: ping -c 1 ping.sunet.se | grep from |
| 08:17.57 | Stargazers | What can be wrong because sendmail is totally terrible slow? |
| 08:18.01 | Stargazers | It works, but SLOOOOOOOOW |
| 08:18.06 | Stargazers | When trying to sned mail with mutt |
| 08:18.13 | Stargazers | It takes about couple of minutes? |
| 08:18.44 | OpenTokix | Stargazers: I think its static from plastic slide rules. |
| 08:18.51 | Stargazers | ? |
| 08:19.00 | Stargazers | I have set that it will send my mail to my ISP SMTP. |
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| 08:20.37 | Trek00 | maxagaz: why ping? what do you need? |
| 08:20.44 | maxagaz | peppe, actually no, it's not necessarily the name your pinging |
| 08:20.59 | OpenTokix | maxagaz: ping -c 1 ping.sunet.se | grep from | cut -d "=" -f 4 | cut -d " " -f 1 |
| 08:21.14 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 08:21.55 | peppe | maxagaz: well, it is, unless you're pinging some broadcast |
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| 08:22.09 | peppe | maxagaz: the _name_ of course can be different |
| 08:22.15 | maxagaz | Trek00, i'm making a little php interface to check and change /etc/bind/named.conf* |
| 08:22.21 | maxagaz | to make a switch |
| 08:22.55 | peppe | but why using ping for doing that? basically you need a name -> ip -> name conversion, which is handy, using dig/nslookup/host... |
| 08:23.04 | Trek00 | maxagaz: do you want to know if an IP address is up, which IP address is up or only the IP address of an host? |
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| 08:23.33 | joltcan | or shouldn't you just have a file in dhclient-exit-hooks/ that does it for you? |
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| 08:24.19 | maxagaz | i want to check if some of my client computer use the local website or the distant website |
| 08:24.39 | maxagaz | (the local website being used in case the internet connection doesn't work) |
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| 08:25.25 | Trek00 | maxagaz: and the ping? |
| 08:25.37 | Trek00 | what part it should do? |
| 08:26.09 | Trek00 | ok |
| 08:26.18 | Trek00 | now I understand, may be |
| 08:27.23 | Trek00 | maxagaz: you want to do a script that check if the remote website is reachable. if not reachable it should change the local dns to the local website? |
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| 08:30.04 | maxagaz | Trek00, yes, exactly |
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| 08:30.52 | Ohan | hello guys |
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| 08:31.15 | Ohan | i'm feeling great pain, great great pain at trying to get through the documentation on ldirectord and heartbeat... |
| 08:31.33 | Ohan | i have my LVS working correctly, and have installed ldirectord |
| 08:31.56 | Ohan | but i can't find any ressource/documentation on monitoring anything else than HTTP with ldirectord... where should i look? |
| 08:32.10 | maxagaz | Trek00, actually, i prefer to have a status refreshed manually on the local server's website (using php), and switch manually if needed |
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| 08:33.13 | elik | How would I grant a user mount right? |
| 08:33.19 | elik | to an NFS share |
| 08:33.31 | elik | I tried floppy, plugdev, fuse |
| 08:33.39 | elik | adding the user to those groups |
| 08:33.42 | elik | but to no avail |
| 08:33.46 | Trek00 | maxagaz: ok, so you do not need to get the ip address from the ping, but only its return code: if (ping -qc1 11.11.11.11 >/dev/null); then echo remote website is UP; else echo remote website is down; fi |
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| 08:34.03 | Trek00 | maxagaz: 11.11.11.11 is the remote web server address |
| 08:35.28 | Trek00 | elik: there is the user mount option, but with this any user can mount/umount it |
| 08:35.55 | elik | Trek00, hum, yeah, that's what I want |
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| 08:36.15 | maxagaz | Trek00, nice piece of code! thanks a lot! |
| 08:36.22 | elik | Trek00, hum, not quite, I was thinking of a per user thing.. but I'd like to give that a try |
| 08:36.23 | Trek00 | elik: add user to the options in the mount line of fstab |
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| 08:36.35 | elik | Trek00, ah, cool |
| 08:36.40 | Trek00 | maxagaz: happy that it is useful :) |
| 08:37.59 | Trek00 | elik: I don't think that linux supports this type of privilege |
| 08:38.23 | Trek00 | elik: usually under unix only root can mount a filesystem |
| 08:38.41 | Trek00 | elik: hurd for example allows any user to mount anything |
| 08:38.57 | maxagaz | Trek00, yes, very useful :) |
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| 08:39.03 | elik | Trek00, hum, user option was enough for my test |
| 08:39.13 | Trek00 | elik: but to have a privilege to mount separated by user you should rewrite the mount program at least :) |
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| 08:39.41 | elik | Trek00, I'll pass.. for tonight :P |
| 08:40.01 | Trek00 | maxagaz: good :) |
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| 08:45.31 | wsxws | hi all :) |
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| 08:49.08 | wsxws | i have lvm installed on my maschine, i created one volumegroup build out of /dev/sda6 and /dev/sdb1. sda6 is the last in the actual partiotable of sda. but id nne to add another partion (to splitt sda5 in 2 partitions), but if i do so the actual sda6 wil become sda7. is there a way to tell my lvm that just the number changes without loosing data on the lvm ? |
| 08:49.24 | fi9o | bujac sie szkopy ! |
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| 08:51.03 | Trek00 | wsxws: may be something related to uuid and not device name |
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| 08:51.32 | disposable | |
| 08:51.50 | wsxws | i mean maybe i dont have to care an just change the other partitions an lvm will still work ? |
| 08:52.10 | wsxws | oops |
| 08:52.12 | wsxws | u mean |
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| 08:53.04 | wsxws | a have 480gig data on the lvm atm, so it might be better if someone could tell me for sure |
| 08:53.42 | internat | Hey anyone here use any open source accounting software? Im kinda over quicken so looking for something else. Something that could import my existing data though would be nice.. |
| 08:54.00 | wsxws | completly other question: can i limit a directorysize without mounting a partition ? |
| 08:55.29 | Trek00 | wsxws: what do you mean with limit a directorysize? delete files? |
| 08:56.03 | wintix | wsxws: quota? |
| 08:56.04 | wsxws | i mean what i said, can i limit the size of a directory, like a quota |
| 08:56.22 | wsxws | yes, but i need it just on one singe directory |
| 08:56.29 | wsxws | and for all users |
| 08:56.52 | Trek00 | wsxws: I don't think it is possibile |
| 08:58.15 | Trek00 | internat: gnucash is good |
| 08:58.16 | jelly | wsxws: but id nne to add another partion (to splitt sda5 in 2 partitions), but if i do so the actual sda6 wil become sda7 # fdisk won't mess with existing partition numbers, which utility are you using? |
| 08:58.44 | Trek00 | internat: and I hear good things about kmoney |
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| 08:59.12 | pookey | hi all - if trying to upgrade a sarge to lenny, should I go via etch? |
| 08:59.31 | jelly | pookey: yes, skipping releases is not supported. |
| 08:59.36 | pookey | jelly: thanks |
| 09:00.07 | jelly | pookey: /msg dpkg sarge->etch, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 09:00.19 | pookey | jelly: thanks again :) |
| 09:00.30 | internat | anything web based? |
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| 09:01.35 | wsxws | jeef sure it will change the numbers. linux always make numbers in the order of the partions. if u make sda1 smaler the space between sda1 and sda2 isnt usable as lonag as un dont move sda2 to the begining of the free space, then u can move sda3. now we come to the logical partioens, in fact they ar on sda4, eeven if this isnt shown normaly. if u have sda5 and 6 and 7 and u delete 5 for instacedn 6 and 7 will become 5 and 6. check it out |
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| 09:02.42 | wsxws | the difference is just between the physcal which does not chance, but wont allow you to use free space and the logicals, which allow u to use the free space, but which will effect the change of all logocal partitions, if u do changes at the first |
| 09:02.52 | Trek00 | internat: I do not know |
| 09:02.58 | internat | mm thanks anyway. i'll go hunting |
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| 09:04.11 | wsxws | so if i split sda5 into 2 partitons, sda5 wil become sda5 and 6 and existing 6 will become 7 |
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| 09:04.52 | wsxws | but knwing this doenst hel me in solving my problem, waht will happen to my lvm if the numbers will change ? |
| 09:04.59 | batcoder-7 | need some noob linux help |
| 09:05.05 | wsxws | (pls dont mind my typos ;)) |
| 09:05.13 | OpenTokix | wsxws: lvm will fidn your physical volumes regardless of device-name |
| 09:05.17 | OpenTokix | find |
| 09:05.20 | batcoder-7 | searching i need to find a specific directory what is the best way to go about that ? |
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| 09:06.10 | wsxws | OpenTokix u mean changing the partition of the other space wont hurt my lvm as long as i dont di changes at that pysical space ? |
| 09:06.19 | wsxws | di = do |
| 09:06.56 | fdemocracy | you know. i dont get it... not this.. during this netinst i never once had the opportunity to choose WHAT packages I WANTED before the installer automatically chose 812 packages |
| 09:06.59 | OpenTokix | wsxws: Well, I don't understand what kind of ass backward stuff you are trying to do. - But LVM will find your physical volumes regardless of the devicename. - But if they change size, I have no idea what will happen. |
| 09:07.00 | fdemocracy | wtf is going on? |
| 09:07.43 | peppe | batcoder-7: use "find" |
| 09:07.50 | sep | batcoder-7, you may or may not have the locate system installed. try with locate $name, if that fail try something like find / -type d -name $name |
| 09:07.52 | wsxws | i wont change the size of the actual sda6, i just wann make changes at the other logical partions beofre the actual sda6 , thats all |
| 09:08.29 | DimmuR | is there any tool that is able to enable/disable touchpad in laptop (synaptic) "on the fly" (without restart xserver etc) ? |
| 09:08.44 | wsxws | so i guess ill simply give it a try, thanks for your answer |
| 09:09.07 | Borisd | wsxws, use bsd ;) |
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| 09:09.56 | wsxws | bsd uses another kind of partitiontables than debian ? |
| 09:10.06 | Borisd | in fact, no |
| 09:10.21 | wsxws | i thought so, so i dont get yout hint |
| 09:10.33 | osfd | shall I see sometimes soon a package called system.protection.surveillance.hadopi.certified-0.1PreAlpha.deb in the repos ? |
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| 09:11.23 | Borisd | :D |
| 09:11.25 | jelly | <wsxws> jeef sure it will change the numbers. linux always make numbers in the order of the partions. # Nope, linux gets the numbers from the partition table. |
| 09:11.33 | Trek00 | fdemocracy: are you a bot? |
| 09:11.56 | fdemocracy | Trek00: i wish! |
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| 09:12.32 | jelly | wsxws: _however_ some partition table managing utilities renumber existing partitions to always be in order, and some don't |
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| 09:13.01 | wsxws | i use cfdisk |
| 09:13.54 | jelly | wsxws: fdisk doesn't reorder; I've no idea about cfdisk |
| 09:14.58 | OpenTokix | For advanced partition stuff, use parted |
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| 09:15.23 | jelly | wsxws: I can't say with 100% certainty, but lvm seems to use its own metadata (I'm judging by the contents of /etc/lvm/archive/vg0_00000.vg), and not device numbers |
| 09:15.36 | scuser | hi all, any help with this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/146797/ ? |
| 09:16.12 | jelly | wsxws: [...] physical_volumes { [...] pv0 [...] { device = "/dev/cciss/c0d0p3" # Hint only |
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| 09:16.42 | jelly | wsxws: please verify this in the docs or perhaps with someone in #lvm |
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| 09:17.06 | xingu | jelly: a partition table is just that; a table; a partition type is either primary (and has start/end defined in the primary table) or extended (which is a pointer to another partition table at the start mark; I believe the end mark bounds the amount of space alotted as the disk geometry does for the primary table) |
| 09:17.09 | wsxws | jelly yes ill better do so. and btw fdisk changes the numbers the same way cfdisk does |
| 09:17.17 | wsxws | i just treid it out |
| 09:17.19 | wsxws | tried |
| 09:17.32 | xingu | jelly: to "change partition table numbers" the transform is to move the start/end marks from one slot to another, this is all |
| 09:17.58 | xingu | jelly: literally, just create in whatever slot # an entry with the desired start/end |
| 09:18.07 | jelly | xingu: indeed, and there's no reason why the slots would have to be in order of disk usage |
| 09:18.30 | xingu | jelly: the slots are always in the order that they are in, there's no index field at all. |
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| 09:18.50 | xingu | jelly: scanning code may sort them in terms of start/end boundary though when reporting. |
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| 09:19.11 | jetscreamer | however, there is a reordering directive, for some purpose... |
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| 09:19.49 | xingu | jetscreamer: I'd anticipate it _automates_ the delete+recreate process |
| 09:19.56 | jelly | xingu: linux, last time I looked, used the real table order. I know I had partitions not in order on my next-to-last laptop |
| 09:20.26 | jetscreamer | when you delete any but the last in windows and recreate the order gets messed up |
| 09:20.37 | jetscreamer | never got that under linux |
| 09:20.39 | jelly | xingu: gparted "helpfully" reordered them |
| 09:20.47 | jetscreamer | but, i never tried |
| 09:21.00 | dreamer | hi all, since I couldn't get phpbb3 to work with lighttpd I'm trying with apache now, I'm having some trouble getting it set up. Beginning with apache, I get this error when restarting: http://debian.pastebin.com/m2e910c9d |
| 09:21.39 | jelly | wsxws: can you pastebin your sfdisk -d /dev/whateverdisk ? |
| 09:22.36 | xingu | jelly: just to be clear, the sda[1-4] are literally just slots (see the wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record); the slot is either occupied with a partition record or it is not, there is no indexation field in the record. |
| 09:22.49 | jelly | xingu: I know. |
| 09:23.12 | xingu | jelly: so "order" is either the on-disk order which is always sda1-4 or it is some other sorting applied by the OS based on scan-sense data |
| 09:23.25 | jetscreamer | waves buhbye |
| 09:23.34 | xoz_ | dreamer: paste the error to google. it has many discussions on that. |
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| 09:25.20 | dreamer | ok, well the next is with phpbb3 itself, but maybe I should ask there |
| 09:25.21 | o2T7 | Hi, I had a dsa pair key that worked fine, but after generating a rsa key it no longer works. Even if I move the (both, private and public) rsa keys out of the .ssh folder, dsa key doesn't work any more. Why is this happening? |
| 09:25.24 | jelly | xingu: but we're not talking about any OS, and Linux uses the table order for 1-4, so one can have p1 and p4 but no p2 or p3, or one can make p3 occupy the sectors with lower numbers than p2 |
| 09:26.11 | Boohbah | o2T7: check the permissions |
| 09:26.26 | o2T7 | Boohbah: files' permissions? |
| 09:26.48 | Boohbah | o2T7: yes |
| 09:26.51 | xingu | jelly: yep; actually just to contradict this, extended partitions are a linked list believe it or not; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_boot_record |
| 09:27.01 | o2T7 | Boohbah: ok |
| 09:27.11 | xingu | jelly: so order is radial distance from the list head |
| 09:28.20 | xingu | jelly: amounts to much the same thing, but you can see how a partition mangler might insert into the list and do surprising things as a result. |
| 09:28.30 | o2T7 | Boohbah: They are the same for both dsa a rsa pairs. rsa pair is working fine |
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| 09:28.45 | jelly | xingu: [radial] only if you always make the extended partition p4, p8, ... |
| 09:29.13 | jelly | xingu: making p2 extended and still using p3 and/or p4 breaks that :-) |
| 09:30.20 | jelly | (tho, that's usually possible only in mbr; later ext. partition entries are automagically generated by fdisk as needed and probably always at the fourth slot) |
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| 09:35.21 | xingu | jelly: the ebr only has a single partition defined; the second slot is a pointer to the next ebr in the chain |
| 09:36.11 | xingu | jelly: so if p3 is ebr it is a list-head and linux will report as sda3 <sda(4+n), sda(5+n), ...> |
| 09:36.43 | xingu | jelly: then if a partition mangler alters the list head it might choose to append to the tail or it might choose to insert into the list - unpredictable outcome |
| 09:36.59 | xingu | "alters the list it" |
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| 09:38.27 | xingu | jelly: but you're quite right, there's another degree of freedom; if p3 is initially a regular partition and p4 is an ebr, and p3 becomes ebr, the value of "n" for p4's ebr's will be offset |
| 09:39.02 | xingu | did I ever say how much I hate partitions? one spindle, two attachment points to the fabric, one damn partition |
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| 09:39.27 | jelly | xingu: afaiui, slots in first ebr are always 5, 6, 7 (and the fourth slot links to next ebr) |
| 09:39.35 | xingu | do your carvery in the lvm |
| 09:40.01 | xingu | jelly: yes but the term for "first" is "first encountered" not "p1's ebr always" |
| 09:40.08 | xingu | jelly: so it moves. :) |
| 09:40.11 | jelly | except that there's some closed source code in BIOS that only knows about DOS partitions |
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| 09:40.59 | jelly | my 14TB storage is sliced via lvm. I thought about using device mapper directly. |
| 09:41.02 | xingu | jelly: if p1=primary, p2=ebr the report is sda1 sda2 <sda5, ...> |
| 09:41.13 | wsxws | okies, just to let you know too, i did the slitt in sda5 and sda6 became sda7. but on reboot lvm recognized that on its on and everything still worls fine |
| 09:41.24 | DGnome | Hey, I may have run into a bug in the kernel XFS driver, along with a corrupted volume... http://paste.debian.net/32808 <-- Any ideas? How should I try to recover, xfs_check and company? |
| 09:41.31 | xingu | jelly: if p2 then becomes ebr the report changes to sda1 <sda5, ..., sdan> sda2 <sdan+1, ...> |
| 09:41.31 | wsxws | splitt / works |
| 09:41.39 | jelly | wsxws: nice |
| 09:42.11 | jelly | xingu: too bad trees are not allowed! |
| 09:42.27 | o2T7 | shouldn't my ssh client authenticate correctly to the server only by having the right dsa key in its .ssh directory? The fact that I generated a rsa key pair in the client, could be the reason for the client having no access any more? I have to acces to the server config, so I *must* use this dsa key |
| 09:42.54 | o2T7 | I have no access* |
| 09:42.56 | xingu | jelly: the problem is one of data normalisation; store your _logical_ topology in one place; in this case you must store it in the lvm - it's error prone to also duplicate this in partition layout |
| 09:43.34 | xingu | jelly: and yes I rather like direct dm constructs, but that's because I'm an intellegent-enclosure kinda guy. |
| 09:44.48 | jelly | using partitions for non-boot block devices just introduces more pain |
| 09:45.43 | enouf | dondelelcaro: just a thank you from me; i'm now officially unsubscribed from the debian-powerpc list ;-) (yeah, it was that i didn't realize i had to reply to confirm the unsubscription, or didn't have time and forgot) |
| 09:45.51 | xingu | I use one partition on the boot device too ;) |
| 09:45.55 | jelly | you can eg. resize a LUN, rescan to make Linux see the new size, change the p.table but then you must umount for the kernel to update the table |
| 09:46.32 | jelly | xingu: I use no partitions for storage, fs is directly on sda :-) |
| 09:46.45 | jelly | this way online resize works |
| 09:46.45 | xingu | aah, now that's something I don't do. |
| 09:47.02 | xingu | jelly: I trust my lvm to manage online resize, not my fabric |
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| 09:47.17 | xingu | jelly: bad experiences with OCE reshaping in years gone by. |
| 09:47.33 | jelly | ah, that's likely because of crappy storage box features |
| 09:48.15 | xingu | jelly: fs->lvm->partition->fabric->spindle, essentially. |
| 09:48.25 | jelly | HP EVAs have a slider to resize a LUN, you resize it and it works. The physical setup underneath is taken care of. |
| 09:48.36 | xingu | jelly: store all the topology in the lvm |
| 09:48.40 | jelly | ew. |
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| 09:49.32 | jelly | xingu: I has fs->fabric->black-box |
| 09:49.49 | jelly | don't care about spindles or small raid groups or anything |
| 09:49.50 | enouf | uh, HP EVA sure sounds proprietary to me :-P |
| 09:49.56 | xingu | jelly: there's two downsides to that that I'll tell you about from experience |
| 09:49.59 | jelly | enouf: duh! |
| 09:50.19 | enouf | !beat jelly for promoting proprietary! |
| 09:50.19 | dpkg | beats jelly for promoting proprietary! with a large stick. |
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| 09:50.23 | xingu | jelly: 1/ performance; if your lvm has no topology it'll do the dumbest thing possible every time through; then your black-box has to undumberate it. |
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| 09:50.52 | jelly | xingu: the black-box does its nivelation job well. |
| 09:50.59 | enouf | un .. dumberate .. i love it ;-) |
| 09:51.17 | RichiH | some application is playing music and i can't figure out which |
| 09:51.18 | jelly | xingu: and more importantly, with no humans having to take care of it |
| 09:51.23 | xingu | jelly: 2/ error handling; you're treating your transport like x.25 - the black-box _has_ to offer the commit guarantee |
| 09:51.27 | RichiH | none of the usual suspects is still running |
| 09:51.30 | nordc | proprietary is good as long as we have a choice |
| 09:51.34 | jelly | RichiH: fuser /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* |
| 09:51.36 | enouf | RichiH: lsof |
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| 09:52.13 | xingu | jelly: sure, I appreciate, I use some pretty nifty black boxes too; but experience teaches me to expose rather than bury topology. |
| 09:52.14 | enouf | RichiH: use grep [-E] as needed with that ;-) |
| 09:52.25 | RichiH | jelly wins |
| 09:52.32 | jelly | \o/ |
| 09:52.37 | RichiH | lsof did not yield anything |
| 09:52.37 | dreamer | hmm, I'm having trouble getting phpbb3 to run, I get this error on the page: http://pastebin.com/m50cdad08 but './includes/auth/auth_.php' does not exist |
| 09:52.49 | RichiH | it was flash |
| 09:52.51 | RichiH | which is weird |
| 09:52.54 | enouf | bets it was flashcrappoopshit |
| 09:53.00 | RichiH | as i don't have flash configured for konqui |
| 09:53.06 | enouf | !win me |
| 09:53.06 | dpkg | Congratulations, enouf! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 09:53.10 | RichiH | and iceweasel is run running |
| 09:53.29 | RichiH | not* |
| 09:53.40 | jelly | Gordon's alive... |
| 09:54.52 | EmleyMoor | In the BIOS settings of my testing box is a setting for USB keyboard - is that best set to OS or BIOS? |
| 09:54.59 | xingu | jelly: nb, that rather simple design means that the partition->spindle-collection is fixed and never changes; if a volume needs to grow, you build in order of spindles, probably lun, slap a partition table on it, then finally add the whole shebang to the logical-volume |
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| 09:55.17 | enouf | EmleyMoor: what setting? |
| 09:55.28 | enouf | legacy usb? |
| 09:55.31 | EmleyMoor | USB keyboard support by... |
| 09:55.39 | xingu | jelly: it's old, it's crufty, but it stops you building idiotic topologies right at the get go; none of my designs has issues with spindle contention... |
| 09:55.46 | enouf | by what? |
| 09:55.58 | EmleyMoor | BIOS or OS |
| 09:56.08 | enouf | oh .. er, use OS |
| 09:56.23 | enouf | that sounds eeriely like a PnP Option |
| 09:56.27 | xingu | jelly: and they all balance load as best as possible from the OS's elevator on down through fabric paths to spindles. |
| 09:56.51 | EmleyMoor | enouf: Hmmm... well, I shall have to use a PS/2 keyboard for the grub work then |
| 09:56.57 | enouf | for ex; when windows NT was out (non-Plug-n-Play OS) |
| 09:57.10 | EmleyMoor | (not tried other mode) |
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| 09:57.14 | xingu | jelly: finally, if a fail happens, the lvm gets the pdu with the error info *instantly* and can communicate this back up-stack to the application. |
| 09:57.24 | xingu | jelly: ... or compensate as appropriate. |
| 09:57.26 | mimiloon | hi everybody, i'm new to linux and i need some help with my wifi card; i have two wifi cards connected to my laptop (built-in (abg) and pcmcia N card); both of these cards work in linux but the pcmcia card isn't working to it's full potential (not using the N protocol); i have windows driver for the pcmcia card but when i try to install it using ndiswrapper, i'm having problems; can anybody help me please? |
| 09:57.27 | enouf | EmleyMoor: is there a 'Legacy USB support' setting too? |
| 09:57.52 | EmleyMoor | I think that is a different setting... |
| 09:58.06 | EmleyMoor | (can't comment right now) |
| 09:58.20 | xingu | jelly: the essential difference is that I expect the lvm to offer the commit guarantee; the fabric is treated as unreliable. |
| 09:58.38 | dreamer | anyone an idea what could be wrong with my phpbb3 install? #phpbb3 is not helpfull at all (say to install from source -_-) |
| 09:58.41 | enouf | no. that enables usb devices to talk to BIOS, so maybe try the BIOS option then - (reworded) |
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| 09:59.17 | jelly | xingu: I guess it makes sense if you don't have 24/7/365 support |
| 09:59.45 | xingu | jelly: if I were doing it your way and assuming bombproof transport then I'd skip the lvm entirely |
| 09:59.50 | EmleyMoor | enouf: USB keyboard works to got into setup and after boot, but not in grub (and I have a problem there right now). I will try the BIOS option when I get back to it. |
| 10:00.01 | enouf | somewhat in the way the floppy drive does/can understand BIOS calls/routines, IINM EmleyMoor ,, so maybe selecting BIOS there is basically it's way of saying Ok, enable Legacy USB support |
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| 10:00.25 | xingu | jelly: _stacked_ redundancy creates crazy beating failures (what happens if the lvm and black box disagree about "fault condition present" state?) |
| 10:00.31 | jelly | xingu: the most we do wrt the transport is to have two paths on selected machines |
| 10:00.48 | EmleyMoor | It's an old ABIT BP6 board if that helps |
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| 10:00.55 | xingu | jelly: I'd include the host controller, the host peripheral bus, and the black box in that statement. :) |
| 10:01.03 | enouf | EmleyMoor: i use old shit too :-P |
| 10:01.33 | jelly | xingu: blackbox is SPoF here |
| 10:01.44 | EmleyMoor | It is bottom of the heap for "non-emergency" replacement out of my two oldest |
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| 10:02.13 | enouf | needs to reinspect his upper heap inventory |
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| 10:02.24 | xingu | jelly: as I said with your design I'd just use dm-multipath and no lvm at all, you either trust the fabric or you don't. |
| 10:02.36 | jelly | right, and that's how it's done |
| 10:02.42 | EmleyMoor | My Asterisk box is next most due - but only when |
| 10:02.43 | osfd | shall I see sometimes soon a package called system.protection.surveillance.hadopi.certified-0.1PreAlpha.deb in the repos ? and, another question, out of France does people hear about hadopi..? |
| 10:03.03 | mimiloon | i need some help with my wifi card; i have two wifi cards connected to my laptop (built-in (abg) and pcmcia N card); both of these cards work in linux but the pcmcia card isn't working to it's full potential (not using the N protocol); i have windows driver for the pcmcia card but when i try to install it using ndiswrapper, i'm having problems; can anybody help me please? |
| 10:03.04 | EmleyMoor | ... I can afford a PCI Express card with echo cancel |
| 10:03.46 | xingu | jelly: nb I've gone down that path too in the past, when the lvm was less mature than the enclosure firmware; it's always a juggling act, innit. |
| 10:04.07 | petemc | osfd: you can file a request for packaging if you would like to see some existing free software packaged for debian, and fwiw ive never heard of hadopi |
| 10:04.46 | enouf | uses hardware old enough that it doesn't know what pcie is :-P |
| 10:05.16 | dreamer | haha |
| 10:05.20 | maligor | I hope it's old enough that it doesn't know what AGP is either :P |
| 10:05.32 | enouf | xingu: dm-multipath is similar/same as CLVM at all? |
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| 10:05.59 | dreamer | has some (obsolute) hardware that doesn't know agp ;) |
| 10:06.07 | dreamer | obsolete* |
| 10:06.17 | dreamer | hmm, so nobody here atm with phpbb3-experience? :( |
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| 10:06.29 | enouf | mimiloon: please /msg dpkg ndiswrapper (and read/follow carefully) |
| 10:06.31 | xingu | enouf: no, it's just a tool for dealing with topologies where you have more than one path between host and (ultimately) disk |
| 10:06.50 | enouf | xingu: ok then ;-) - thanks |
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| 10:07.22 | xingu | enouf: so your linux block device is bound to all _paths_ rather than to the disk |
| 10:07.40 | enouf | xingu: somewhat more like maybe a NAS? .. hrm .. |
| 10:07.55 | mimiloon | enouf: thanks for the info |
| 10:07.59 | enouf | xingu: ignore my ignorance ;-) |
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| 10:08.13 | enouf | np |
| 10:08.40 | xingu | enouf: closest to 802.3ad |
| 10:08.54 | enouf | dreamer: yes, i also have p1 (586) era boxen |
| 10:09.12 | enouf | digs out the rfc catalog ... |
| 10:09.39 | enouf | tosses that back and grabs the ieee and iso ones ... :-P |
| 10:10.58 | enouf | dreamer: try maybe ##linux and ##linux-coders and finally ##debian-chat (believe it or not) |
| 10:12.19 | dreamer | enouf: I have an alphastation that I need to get running :) |
| 10:12.24 | dreamer | ok, I'll try some of them .. |
| 10:12.33 | enouf | dreamer: sorry, last channel mentioned is one #, not 2 |
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| 10:12.45 | dreamer | yeah, I know :) |
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| 10:14.05 | EmleyMoor | Any good recommendations for a low hum ATX PSU? |
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| 10:14.16 | xingu | enouf: you didn't miss much, pcie2.0 is where it got interesting, and even then you're still better off cooling your heels until msi-x or whatever it's called these days is pervasive |
| 10:14.35 | enouf | my 600w coolermasters work well and are quiet in my p2s :-) |
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| 10:15.10 | Nibbler | has anybody an idea what find /home -mtime -25 -type f -print0|xargs -0 rm -vf is doing ? |
| 10:15.28 | EmleyMoor | I get some mains hum on my phones at the moment so changing the PSU may well help |
| 10:15.54 | xingu | enouf: in today's super-pc's a _lot_ of time is spent dealing with the problem that peripherals send their data to a package/core that the relevant userspace is exceedingly unlikely to be running on |
| 10:16.22 | enouf | xingu: ahh .. the 2.0 ... i've seen chipset manufacturers still playing games with standards/capabilities (read; you must use it only 'our way [TM]' to get the performance we constantly market at you) |
| 10:16.38 | fdemocracy | okay i have a barebone debian system here. i need to install the extras |
| 10:16.46 | fdemocracy | like the desktop things and blah whatnot |
| 10:16.58 | enouf | EmleyMoor: you mean the 50/60Hz hum? |
| 10:17.15 | enouf | you have a DC Offset issue? |
| 10:17.18 | EmleyMoor | Well, yes - 50Hz or some harmonic thereof |
| 10:17.31 | enouf | eww |
| 10:17.59 | enouf | i thought you were talking about fan noises, heh |
| 10:18.04 | EmleyMoor | It seems to vary with the exact position of the phone too |
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| 10:18.45 | EmleyMoor | Low physical noise would be nice too but less important |
| 10:18.48 | enouf | EmleyMoor: cell phone? have an electrician come out and inspect your not using reversed hot/neutrals, or have lifted grounds |
| 10:18.55 | xingu | enouf: nb, that's a real problem with monsters like nehelem; and even worse still when you think about datalink multiplexing technologies like 802.1q/ SATA FIS verses hypervised kernels. |
| 10:18.56 | enouf | you're* |
| 10:19.01 | fdemocracy | i have 141 packages installed ! |
| 10:19.16 | EmleyMoor | No - traditional 2-wire phone on an FXS port |
| 10:20.06 | xingu | enouf: we're getting there, peripherals are almost at the point where they have enough of a dma engine to switch a tagged frame to the "right" lane, but it's still all bleeding edge, we're not done yet. |
| 10:20.08 | EmleyMoor | Reversed Hot/Neutral is unheard of over here (type G outlets) |
| 10:20.15 | enouf | xingu: i wish i could remember what all those numbers and letters mean when it comes to technologies :-) |
| 10:21.15 | xingu | enouf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_multiplier <-- consider the impact of this on a two package twelve core nehelem running say vmware esx |
| 10:21.15 | enouf | xingu: understood .. |
| 10:21.17 | maxagaz | someone used the wake on lan ? what is the command to run once it's set in the bios of the distant computer ? |
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| 10:21.33 | enouf | looks |
| 10:21.38 | wedge | I got a nice little buzz from my pc case |
| 10:21.50 | wedge | when I touched it while also touching my ungrounded laptop |
| 10:22.18 | enouf | maxagaz: use ethtool to double check settings/options PUMBAGS, IIRC, and see the etherboot pkg - and one other one |
| 10:22.21 | sep | Nibbler, looks thru /home , lookg for files that was modified less then 25 days ago (files younger then 25 days) , and removes those files. ? |
| 10:22.22 | liable | lick the processor, best buzz evar |
| 10:23.02 | xingu | enouf: most of the time most of the io is going to go to whatever core happens to be running the io driver in the instant it runs it; then that kernel thread is going to need to _hammer_ the bus (interconnect or front-side, it's just a matter of scale) routing the data through to the core running the kernel thread running the userspace that requested it |
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| 10:23.19 | maxagaz | enouf, thanks! |
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| 10:23.45 | xingu | enouf: at two packages and twelve cores - this is alread real problem; so busy routing data and burning bus doing it that you starve |
| 10:23.46 | blix | Is there a way to export CUPS settings |
| 10:23.50 | blix | ? |
| 10:23.56 | Nibbler | sep: why less than 25 days when it is -mtime -31 ? |
| 10:24.18 | sep | you said -25 ? <Nibbler> has anybody an idea what find /home -mtime -25 -type f -print0|xargs -0 rm -vf is doing ? |
| 10:24.43 | Nibbler | ah sorry :-) |
| 10:25.11 | Nibbler | sep do you know how i reverse it ? so just if its older than 25 days |
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| 10:25.21 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:25.26 | enouf | xingu: i see .. almost in the way one tries to eliminate too much context switching when programming in C, but at the hardware level .. or, am i totally off the mark here? |
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| 10:25.33 | xingu | enouf: far smarter to (again, sorry to beat on a theme) expose the topology such that when you issue the request you tell the peripheral (the sata controller) _in advance_ which package/core the completion (so data or ack) needs to get to. |
| 10:25.41 | xingu | enouf: that's exactly it |
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| 10:25.50 | enouf | \o/ |
| 10:26.13 | Nibbler | sep: thanks alot |
| 10:26.22 | enouf | xingu: thank you for the lively convo and lesson ;-) |
| 10:26.37 | sep | Nibbler, but that would erase files that are of the type "created on the first run, and never written to again, but read allways" are you sure that's what you want ? |
| 10:26.44 | enouf | you too jelly .. even with your HP :-p |
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| 10:27.17 | enouf | must go very soon .. |
| 10:27.56 | xingu | enouf: nb, the gamers are already seeing this problem; this is part of what amd did in their cat9.2hotfix/cat9.3 driver to improve "multicore performance"; same problem space, the layering's similar. |
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| 10:28.27 | Nibbler | sep: yea supposed to delete old log files :-) |
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| 10:28.57 | xingu | enouf: and us over in telecoms saw this *ages* ago; have a look into csco's papers circa the c7500/ dfc |
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| 10:29.27 | JyZyXEL | what are the main debian based live-cd's? |
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| 10:31.52 | Pritler | JyZyXEL, knoppix |
| 10:32.03 | JyZyXEL | can it use apt-get? |
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| 10:32.45 | Pritler | I guess so |
| 10:32.50 | Pritler | Ubuntu is debian based as well |
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| 10:33.08 | JyZyXEL | i have an old laptop with a broken harddrive |
| 10:33.14 | o2T7 | JyZyXEL: Yes, it does. |
| 10:33.19 | JyZyXEL | its kinda hard to run OS on it |
| 10:33.29 | maligor | livecd's are really really slow to use |
| 10:33.35 | maligor | especially on old hardware |
| 10:33.38 | Pritler | JyZyXEL, what about damn small linux |
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| 10:33.51 | Pritler | didn't it have load to ram option |
| 10:33.54 | o2T7 | JyZyXEL: You can specify as well the x server resolution and the desktop manager that it will run |
| 10:34.07 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if i could somehow boot it from USB |
| 10:34.19 | o2T7 | JyZyXEL: A low res and a light destop manager (i.e. fluxbox) will run much faster. |
| 10:34.20 | JyZyXEL | cause the CD drive makes way too much noise |
| 10:34.39 | JyZyXEL | i like wmii better |
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| 10:36.17 | JyZyXEL | maybe i could somehow boot from CD to USB stick |
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| 10:36.29 | hermogenes | I don't know why is this but the gnome isnt applying themes correctly. The apps always keep the old, gray gtk look. This occured after I upgraded the system a mouth ago. I use unstable. |
| 10:36.31 | JyZyXEL | since old laptop will not support booting from USB |
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| 10:38.20 | Maior | JyZyXEL: network booting ftw |
| 10:38.32 | JyZyXEL | yeah... right |
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| 10:39.40 | enouf | xingu: i hear ya, loud and clear ... (/me goes) |
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| 10:41.29 | hermogenes | Does someone using sid found this problem after upgrade: http://imagebin.ca/view/BQtHKk1.html |
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| 10:42.49 | EmleyMoor | hermogenes: What's the problem with it? |
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| 10:43.32 | EmleyMoor | Not seen that problem but then I haven't significantly used sid |
| 10:43.48 | hermogenes | the gtk-engine theme is diferent on the browser window |
| 10:44.49 | hermogenes | all apps keep the old, gray gtk-engine theme no matter what |
| 10:45.07 | ebilpanda | hello. debian lenny installer does not detect my hard drive and gives me a list of hdd drivers to choose from. it accepts a number of different driver choices but I don't know which one is best for my disk. where do I find out more about what features each of these drivers support? this is on the official lenny netinst CD. |
| 10:46.07 | hermogenes | I suspect theres some problem with gconf, because the theme configuration window DOES apply the gtk-engine theme |
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| 10:47.32 | Boohbah | ebilpanda: lspci to determine your chipset, then google for the driver that supports it |
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| 10:48.27 | ebilpanda | Boohbah: by chipset you mean the driver's own chipset and not the one on the mobo, right? |
| 10:48.37 | ebilpanda | drive, not driver |
| 10:48.43 | ebilpanda | sorry |
| 10:49.25 | Boohbah | ebilpanda: err, the disk controller is usually on the motherboard |
| 10:50.24 | ebilpanda | Boohbah: but my problem is with the HDD, everything else controlled by the chipset is identified correctly |
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| 10:50.54 | ebilpanda | Boohbah: gfx, wifi, etc.. |
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| 10:54.24 | ebilpanda | Boohbah: OK so how do I run lspci from the installer? |
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| 10:59.00 | Jakz | hi |
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| 10:59.27 | Jakz | i have do the follow command "chroot /glftpd /bin/ldconfig" but are happens some strange error -> /bin/ldconfig: /lib/libbcap.so.1 is not a symbolic link and so other file , :/ some one can help me ? |
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| 11:03.22 | sky389 | Hello! Looking for help. We have one lenny server, which is running some MTA and cron sends its e-mails to the address root@domain.com. How can I disable this? The problem is that i don't know how mail works :( |
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| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/usleep' returned no results. |
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| 11:16.18 | AcTiVaTe | sky389: Just change the MAILTO= in crontab? |
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| 11:19.35 | sky389 | AcTiVaTe, right now there's no such option. But I've add it, so, during the day I will know, if it works. Thanks for Your assistance! |
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| 11:20.26 | AcTiVaTe | sky389: :P |
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| 11:21.19 | fdemocracy | apart from gdm, what else would you recommend |
| 11:22.09 | sky389 | AcTiVaTe, by the way, how can I receive all messages, that are adressed to root? Will /etc/alias help me on this? |
| 11:22.12 | Stargazers | xdm |
| 11:22.20 | Stargazers | If I remember right... I use it. |
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| 11:22.23 | Stargazers | Very primitive. |
| 11:23.06 | SteveC | I'm running postfix on a debian etch and having problems with the address it's routing traffic through. Rather than on eth0, it's going out on eth0:1 which is causing RDNS problems. How can I get it to use eth0 for it's outgoing traffic? eth0:1 is just there for some SSL site. |
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| 11:23.14 | sky389 | I mean /etc/aliases :) |
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| 11:35.05 | minq | where can i look up what packages the "Standard sytem" choice in the "Software selection" dialog of the lenny installer is going to install? |
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| 11:35.49 | wsxws | i want to create an sh-script. how to set a variable with the value of an command, ie the script does a losetup -f and i want to have a varibale afterwards with /dev/loopx in it |
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| 11:36.26 | mquin | LOOP=`losetup -f` |
| 11:38.06 | wsxws | that will set the variable to losetup -f, i want to set the variable to the output of that copmmand |
| 11:38.09 | wsxws | command |
| 11:39.10 | wsxws | so that the variable LOOP would be /dev/loopX |
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| 11:41.00 | minq | fdemocracy: depends on what you want to do. "i just want my desktop to look cool"? pick windows vista |
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| 11:41.37 | wsxws | oops, sorry, i simply users the wrong ' instead of ` |
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| 11:44.46 | abrotman | wsxws: try #bash |
| 11:45.14 | foetus | hello, i become 'previously patch applied' messages by patching kernel-source, is it wise to use '-f' option or better, use '-t' and after all deleting the .rej files? |
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| 11:47.01 | liable | foetus: if you are getting that error, i susggest you look at the patch and source and see why. |
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| 11:48.51 | foetus | liable: these patches are from mm at kernel.org, and there is only an rc-release, i MUST use it..what would you prefer in this case? |
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| 11:49.14 | foetus | liable: reject or force? |
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| 11:50.12 | liable | id patch is saying you are applying an already applied patch, i would reject that chunk |
| 11:50.17 | liable | s/id/if/ |
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| 11:51.16 | foetus | liable: ok, so i will try it in this way.. could i delete the resulting .rej files after patching? |
| 11:51.26 | liable | sure |
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| 11:52.06 | foetus | liable: ok. thanks. i will do it (or MUST :)) |
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| 11:56.52 | g00se | Not certain that my .bashrc is getting run (stat not helping now) as shopt -s histappend doesn't appear to work |
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| 12:03.12 | rhineheart_m | is is possible to change the kernel without reformating the machine? |
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| 12:03.30 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, yes. |
| 12:03.38 | Eulex | very so |
| 12:04.11 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, I'm using amd64 machine.. but what I was able to install during set-up was for intel |
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| 12:05.50 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, that one will work equally well, but if you install a kernel that fits your cpu better things will be slightly faster |
| 12:06.48 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, what I just noticed is this.. the speed of the processor is somewhat not reporting well.. I have 2.0 but what appears is only 1200 |
| 12:07.29 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, newer processors support dynamically clocking down themselves to use less power and produce less heat, when their full power is not needed. |
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| 12:07.58 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, but I was using this box before.. and it didn't behave this way.. |
| 12:08.10 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, what exact cpu do you have? |
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| 12:08.31 | infinity0 | <3 apt-cross |
| 12:08.34 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, and what does lsmod|grep cpufreq output? |
| 12:08.36 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ |
| 12:09.19 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, this lsmod|grep cpufreq returns no report.. |
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| 12:10.34 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, hmm ok. how did you see that the cpu cores are running at 1.2ghz instead of 2.0? |
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| 12:13.04 | rhineheart_m | as displays in the general info of vmware.. the host machine.. Eulex |
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| 12:14.08 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, how could I prevent this: newer processors support dynamically clocking down themselves to use less power and produce less heat, when their full power is not needed |
| 12:14.17 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, can you pastebin the output of cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:14.29 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, you don't need to, they will clock up themselves automatically when needed |
| 12:15.01 | Eulex | but support for this usually needs a cpufreq driver and governor... thus I find it strange that you do not appear to have one loaded |
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| 12:17.05 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, http://rafb.net/p/7iezbB42.html |
| 12:17.26 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, sometimes it shows at 100 MHZ only |
| 12:18.13 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, "cpu MHz : 2000.020" your cpu is running at its full speed |
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| 12:19.10 | chordogg | would anyone know why gnome-system-tools and gnome-network-admin doesn't work? the applications load but I can't change network settings or add users or manage groups. all the options are grayed out... |
| 12:19.31 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, you do not appear to be running a kernel that supports dual-core tho, your system is thus only able to use one of the cores. install a k7 kernel or so to fix that. |
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| 12:20.46 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, how would I do that? in fact.. I have 1.5 G of RAM but only 896 MB appears |
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| 12:22.06 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, that's another sign that you're running a 486 kernel, which only supports 1 core and 1gb ram. just install the proper linux-image k7 package. |
| 12:22.41 | rhineheart_m | okay.. you're so kind to give me that idea.. now.. how could I do that? |
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| 12:23.03 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, (there ARE amd64 kernels for debian i386, however many binary drivers will go belly-up if you attempt to use them with one... so go with a k7 one, which is for athlon xp and newer, iirc) |
| 12:23.31 | ranix | disregard that |
| 12:23.34 | ranix | amd64 is fine |
| 12:23.44 | ranix | you may use amd64 without difficulty |
| 12:23.46 | rhineheart_m | ranix, mmm.. really? |
| 12:23.51 | ranix | yes |
| 12:23.58 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, please tell me your side |
| 12:24.04 | Eulex | last time I tried it, the binary nvidia driver was very unhappy about using an amd64 kernel on a debian i386 installation |
| 12:24.22 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, this is a server and it is headless |
| 12:24.23 | ranix | so use a debian amd64 installation |
| 12:24.25 | jelly | ranix: some things won't work with an amd64 and 32bit userspace. Virtualbox is one of them. |
| 12:24.49 | jelly | (amd64 kernel*) |
| 12:24.54 | rhineheart_m | ah.. okay.. do you think amd64 is fine with vmwareserver 2? |
| 12:25.24 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, ok. either use debian i386 and a k7 kernel, or debian amd64... if all the software you're using will run fine on a 64-bit OS |
| 12:25.40 | ranix | I will second the suggestion for just using entirely amd64 |
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| 12:25.44 | jelly | Eulex: also, -k7 build is gone; -686 replaces it |
| 12:25.59 | ranix | rather than mix'nmatch |
| 12:26.16 | rhineheart_m | ranix and jelly since you're two.. I guess I'll have to choose your idea.. |
| 12:26.27 | jelly | has no idea |
| 12:26.28 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, thank you for your suggestion. |
| 12:26.46 | Eulex | ah, right, -k7 gone since lenny |
| 12:27.08 | rhineheart_m | now.. is it possible to change the kernel without changing anything? |
| 12:27.23 | ranix | you can apt-get kernels |
| 12:27.34 | JyZyXEL | yea dude you can change ur kernel without changin ur kernel |
| 12:27.47 | rhineheart_m | I mean.. without formating I mean |
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| 12:28.10 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, if you decide to use a full 64-bit system that will work very well, as long as you do not need to run binary-only software that is not available for it |
| 12:28.14 | rhineheart_m | so how would I change debian i386 to amd64? |
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| 12:28.32 | ranix | s/binary-only/non-dree/ |
| 12:28.38 | ranix | s/d/f/ |
| 12:28.41 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, can you give me an example of binary-only software? |
| 12:29.40 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, nvidia driver, vmware stuff etc... but I believe those are available as 64-bit versions. |
| 12:29.46 | rhineheart_m | actaully.. KVM is okay with me.. however when I installed canon printer to xp guest.. it reboots and blue screen of death appears |
| 12:30.01 | zinx | uhm, you can run 32-bit software on a 64-bit system.. you just need the 32-bit libraries it uses |
| 12:30.10 | zinx | (many of which are avaliable in 64-bit debian) |
| 12:30.13 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, vmwarestuff available for 64-bit versions? |
| 12:30.28 | rhineheart_m | mmm..many ideas huh! |
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| 12:30.58 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, installing a new kernel is just installing a new kernel package. however, if you want to have debian amd64 instead of debian i386, changing the userspace from 32-bit to 64-bit, you need to re-install. |
| 12:31.03 | Eulex | zinx, good point |
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| 12:32.11 | ranix | can you do a dist-upgrade to replace the base system? |
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| 12:32.21 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, actually I presented this issue to vmware folks before.. they suggested to me... if I have only 1.5 G or RAM..it would be better for me to use i386 than amd64.. |
| 12:32.46 | EmleyMoor | ranix: No - there is no architecture crossing path |
| 12:32.48 | Eulex | ranix, no |
| 12:33.00 | rhineheart_m | so now.. I want to hear from the debian people since I'll be using debian as my host OS |
| 12:33.56 | ranix | rhineheart_m: I'd just burn a cd with the amd64 installer |
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| 12:34.09 | EmleyMoor | rhineheart_m: You can run i386 on amd64 hardware, but if you think you are likely to benefit from amd64, I would tend to go for it |
| 12:34.15 | ranix | rhineheart_m: or manually debootstrap a drive, but that doesn't sound like your thing |
| 12:34.59 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, the basic differences between a 32-bit and a 64-bit system is that on a 64-bit system memory addresses will be twice as big, and math using big integers will usually be faster |
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| 12:35.58 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, so in my situation.. with 1.5 G.. the over-all machine's performance is better than 32-bit.. correct? |
| 12:36.01 | xingu | Eulex: ... and you have twice as many general purpose registers to play with |
| 12:36.05 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, this means that some code will use more memory and thus be slower, and some code be faster because it benefits from the improved native integer calculations (mostly encryption do) |
| 12:36.11 | bl4ckcomb | is there a gtk tool to detect other screens (like in ubuntu) for debian? |
| 12:36.36 | Eulex | xingu, I was coming to that, I have just presented the difference between a 32-bit system and a 64-bit one, not that specific difference between i386 and amd64 |
| 12:36.53 | D4T | hi all, on boot I am seeing this error - mptsas 0000:0d:02:0: can't find IRQ for PCI INT A: Please try using pci=biosirq. If i try using pci=biosirq the same thing appears and the system still fails to boot. Anyone got any ideas? |
| 12:36.57 | xingu | Eulex: aah, sorry to jump in on ya. |
| 12:37.21 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, and as xingu said, amd64 has twice as many registers as i386, which tries to compensate for slowness introduced by bigger memory addresses |
| 12:37.40 | Eulex | xingu, np |
| 12:38.01 | rhineheart_m | guys.. thank your for your valuable presentations.. please help me to decide which one to get.. the possible guests that I'll be using are.. xp prof, debian..and untangle.. |
| 12:38.14 | ranix | lol |
| 12:38.16 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, basically, some programs will be faster, and some will be slower. if you want to run programs that use a lot of memory, running i386 will likely avoid swapping sometimes |
| 12:38.21 | ranix | use the one you know best |
| 12:38.37 | ranix | if you know xp best you are a loser |
| 12:38.45 | ranix | just throwing it out there |
| 12:38.47 | rhineheart_m | ranix, the two appear the same to me as I see it (I'm talking about mgt) |
| 12:38.51 | ranix | doesn't make the decision any less wrong though |
| 12:39.00 | rhineheart_m | ranix, as a guest machine |
| 12:39.12 | rhineheart_m | not as the host.. |
| 12:39.14 | ranix | guest would be the daughter? |
| 12:39.17 | EmleyMoor | is looking for sites to help him grubbleshoot |
| 12:39.21 | Eulex | s/avoid swapping/reduce swapping/ |
| 12:39.51 | ranix | why are you setting up all sorts of virtual machines |
| 12:39.54 | ranix | what are you even doing |
| 12:40.11 | rhineheart_m | xp for printing.. |
| 12:40.27 | ranix | what |
| 12:40.35 | rhineheart_m | since it's the one I know better when it comes to mgt.. and people here don't have knowledge in linux |
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| 12:41.14 | rhineheart_m | I will let them access to xp guest through VNC if needed... just cancelling a printing job.. or rebooting the xp when needed |
| 12:41.17 | ranix | what are you doing rhineheart_m |
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| 12:41.28 | ranix | did someone tell you to build a server and you're running blind? |
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| 12:41.51 | ranix | or are you just trying to do a right thing the wrong way |
| 12:42.16 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, it will be a print server of some kind? |
| 12:42.31 | ranix | we're looking for "I'm building an email server at work" or something |
| 12:42.38 | rhineheart_m | ranix I know you have vast knowledge.. if you want to give me suggestion.. go ahead.. just don't tell me I don't know anthing about what you think you know. |
| 12:42.38 | ranix | give me a clue here |
| 12:42.58 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, yeah.. printserver |
| 12:43.01 | ranix | sigh |
| 12:43.09 | ranix | Eulex: he's all yours |
| 12:43.14 | rhineheart_m | but thanks ranix.. ;) |
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| 12:43.29 | ranix | no prob, good luck |
| 12:43.47 | Eulex | you'll use it just as a print server? |
| 12:44.21 | Eulex | well, regardless of your answer to that question, couldn't you just use a networked printer? |
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| 12:44.45 | ranix | lol I would get one of those little belkin printer dongles for $20 at staples and say YO |
| 12:44.49 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, I will use debian guest too as webserver.. and a lot more.. |
| 12:45.15 | rhineheart_m | ranix, later I will build an email server too.. |
| 12:45.15 | D4T | no one? |
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| 12:45.49 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, using an xp guest just for printing seems overcomplicated... but I have no comments on the other things you will use the printer for |
| 12:45.56 | rhineheart_m | still using the box.. unless you miss me.. I will use the same box to run VMs |
| 12:46.38 | Eulex | D4T, I don't recognize that error, but did you google it already? |
| 12:47.05 | Eulex | D4T, and are you sure that error is causing it to fail booting? |
| 12:47.11 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, yeah, and that's fine |
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| 12:47.39 | rhineheart_m | sorry.. got DC |
| 12:47.42 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, I guess you're correct.. can XP print to linux machine with printer like canon (lbp 2900)? |
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| 12:48.28 | D4T | Eulex: I have googled but found nothing useful, it doesn't interact with the drives properly so does fail. |
| 12:48.32 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, I guess that depends on the virtualization software you're using, and I'm not familiar with vmware |
| 12:48.34 | azeem | rhineheart_m: it's called "internet printing protocol" |
| 12:48.43 | rhineheart_m | if that would be the case.. then using proxmox is a better idea too since it runs faster than vmware.. thus I could simply use debian for printing purposes... |
| 12:48.58 | Eulex | azeem, oh. nvm then. |
| 12:49.20 | Eulex | but it seems he would want to manage the printer queue through it, could you do that through ipp? |
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| 12:50.27 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, ipp requires a separate machine or equipment? |
| 12:51.09 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, just a network connection, and between the host and guest you can usually quite easily create a virtual such |
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| 12:54.08 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, ok.. if you're in my part.. what are you trying to do? it's the only consideration left (running xp for printing). I tried samba before but I failed to run it.. |
| 12:55.22 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, I'd use a networked printer... or such a printer dongle as ranix suggested |
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| 12:55.39 | ranix | I use lprng |
| 12:56.14 | ranix | running two gigs of software to print shit is two rungs down the evolutionary ladder from failing to tie your shoelaces |
| 12:56.18 | rhineheart_m | ranix... what's lprng? |
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| 12:56.49 | ranix | google knows all about lprng, rhineheart_m |
| 12:57.08 | rhineheart_m | mmm.. nice you ranix. I will learn to love you buddy. |
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| 12:57.40 | ranix | I'm not going to lie about it, I'm the most charismatic guy in the channel |
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| 12:57.58 | rhineheart_m | ows.. wow! great ranix |
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| 12:59.06 | ranix | some people use CUPS for printing |
| 12:59.09 | ranix | but I dislike cups |
| 12:59.21 | rhineheart_m | for what reason ? |
| 12:59.31 | ranix | I think Windows printing is wrong |
| 12:59.34 | rhineheart_m | Eulex, thanks for your idea.. have you tried KVM already? |
| 12:59.37 | ranix | if the right way to print is north |
| 12:59.41 | ranix | Windows goes East |
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| 12:59.48 | ranix | but CUPS goes south |
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| 13:00.01 | rhineheart_m | mmmm... nice huh! LOL.. |
| 13:00.07 | Eulex | rhineheart_m, can't say I'm very familiar with virtualization at all, sorry |
| 13:00.23 | rhineheart_m | but sun rises in east.. you love sun ranix right? |
| 13:00.26 | EmleyMoor | I use CUPS - have used lprng though |
| 13:00.39 | Eulex | closest I've come is emulating a few systems |
| 13:00.49 | rhineheart_m | EmleyMoor, how's CUPS? |
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| 13:01.42 | rhineheart_m | anybody here have tried using PROXMOX? it's based on KVM |
| 13:01.43 | EmleyMoor | rhineheart_m: I find it OK - provided your printer is supported it's pretty intuitive to work with |
| 13:02.05 | rhineheart_m | EmleyMoor, I have LBP 2900 Canon.. how would I know it's supported? |
| 13:02.16 | voodoor | I've got a Debian box here that is behind a proxy. apt-get works as that knows the address but ping, wget etc. don't. How do I get other tools except apt to access the net? |
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| 13:02.51 | infinity0 | ljoin #python |
| 13:02.51 | rhineheart_m | voodoor, your proxy may have restrictions outward.. |
| 13:02.58 | EmleyMoor | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting |
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| 13:03.19 | rhineheart_m | EmleyMoor, thanks for the link.. |
| 13:03.48 | AbsoluteValue | rhineheart_m must be using Fairpoint as his ISP. =( |
| 13:03.52 | EmleyMoor | LBP-2900 is a "Mostly" |
| 13:04.04 | voodoor | rhineheart_m: If it doesn't though (and I don't think it does) what file where defines the general network proxy? |
| 13:04.41 | rhineheart_m | AbsoluteValue, is it free? |
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| 13:04.52 | AbsoluteValue | No. |
| 13:05.03 | rhineheart_m | ows.. I don't buy AbsoluteValue :) |
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| 13:06.21 | jamesstanley | I found a bug in the pdmenu program. If one runs it, and attempts to change ones password, but types ^D at the password prompt, pdmenu crashes. |
| 13:07.20 | jelly | voodoor: most applications use the "http_proxy" environment variable, if it's present |
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| 13:07.58 | voodoor | jelly: OK, thanks. Where am I best setting that under Lenny? |
| 13:08.12 | voodoor | (if I want it to be permanaent)? |
| 13:08.26 | azeem | in your shell startup scripts |
| 13:08.32 | azeem | like ~/.bash_profile |
| 13:08.34 | jelly | voodoor: if you want to make it a global setting, /etc/environment |
| 13:09.13 | jelly | voodoor: a single line like http_proxy=http://yourproxyhost:proxyport/ in there |
| 13:09.16 | abrotman | jamesstanley: did you check the BTS for a similar bug ? |
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| 13:09.41 | jamesstanley | No. I'm not too bothered about it, but I thought I'd mention it here in case anyone is. |
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| 13:10.00 | abrotman | jamesstanley: file a bug please |
| 13:10.07 | jamesstanley | Alrighty |
| 13:10.17 | wsxws | umount: /mnt: device is busy <<-- how to check what processes are using that device ? |
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| 13:10.26 | grawity | looks around |
| 13:10.37 | AbsoluteValue | wsxws: ps |
| 13:10.38 | grawity | How do I connect to a SMB share from command line? |
| 13:10.43 | abrotman | smbclient |
| 13:10.50 | Maior | wsxws: lsof/fstat |
| 13:11.17 | wsxws | hm, there was another command which could be used with -k option to kill thoses process also |
| 13:12.25 | AbsoluteValue | When is Debian dropping support for PowerPC Macs? |
| 13:12.55 | abrotman | you mean powerpc ? |
| 13:13.02 | ranix | why would it ever? |
| 13:13.05 | abrotman | macs really dont have much to do with it |
| 13:13.07 | azeem | AbsoluteValue: there's no schedule |
| 13:13.26 | azeem | ranix: m68k macs got dropped, you know |
| 13:13.43 | ranix | the arch will probably be maintained until there's nobody who wants to maintain them |
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| 13:14.26 | p0g0_ | grawity: you can also use mount -t cifs |
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| 13:15.11 | jelly | ranix: or s/wants/can/, as was the case with sparc (32bit) |
| 13:15.35 | abrotman | azeem: you mean from the etch/lenny releases? |
| 13:16.12 | AbsoluteValue | Microsoft dropped support for PowerPC after NT 4. :( |
| 13:16.18 | azeem | from ftp.debian.org |
| 13:16.24 | jelly | AbsoluteValue: smart people |
| 13:16.25 | jamesstanley | abrotman: I sent my bug report. |
| 13:16.29 | abrotman | AbsoluteValue: IIRC before NT4 |
| 13:16.39 | abrotman | azeem: still shows on some sid packages .. is that just a leftover ? |
| 13:16.49 | azeem | abrotman: like e.g.? |
| 13:17.06 | g00se | Trying to get sound working on old Acer laptop. Are drivers in Lenny kernel? lspci = http://pastebin.com/f5bb2ba82 |
| 13:17.06 | abrotman | bind9? bash? |
| 13:17.23 | abrotman | azeem: they show as "unofficial" |
| 13:17.29 | azeem | hrm |
| 13:17.31 | abrotman | but still on pdo |
| 13:17.56 | azeem | the download links go to d-p though |
| 13:18.04 | jelly | g00se: for ac97? They're very likely present. /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 13:18.16 | azeem | but yeah, not sure why that is not mentioned on the main page |
| 13:18.18 | g00se | jelly: thanks |
| 13:18.25 | abrotman | blames the ftp-masters! |
| 13:18.33 | abrotman | azeem: FWIW .. it also shows on debian.org/ports/ |
| 13:18.52 | dreamer | hmmm, I just created a fresh lenny install using debootstrap and am running it using lxc, I created a regular user on the system and try to ssh to outside, I then get: Host key verification failed. .ssh/known_hosts is empty and I can ssh with root just fine |
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| 13:19.55 | jelly | dreamer: is the machine you're sshing to an etch installation? |
| 13:20.03 | mmm | heya - just installed the 5.0 desktop - seeing that it uses the radeonHD xwindows module by default :) |
| 13:20.20 | mmm | is there a graphical way to configure xwindows to use dual screens? |
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| 13:20.32 | scuser | hi all, any help with this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/146956/ |
| 13:20.34 | abrotman | !xrandr |
| 13:20.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, xrandr is a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection; |
| 13:20.39 | jelly | mmm: grandr? |
| 13:20.39 | abrotman | grr |
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| 13:20.58 | azeem | are they actually able to do dual-screen stuff in lenny? |
| 13:21.11 | azeem | I thought some pretty new X.org version is needed for that |
| 13:21.14 | jelly | they being radeonhd? No idea. |
| 13:21.26 | mmm | sure - radeonHD can handle dual screen great |
| 13:21.26 | azeem | xrandr and grandr |
| 13:21.29 | abrotman | dpkg: xrandr is also http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 13:21.29 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 13:21.43 | jelly | azeem: definitely yes. |
| 13:21.49 | azeem | k |
| 13:22.10 | BlueG | When trying to install Evolution from testing from source I get "E: Build-Depends dependency for evolution cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libgtkhtml3.14-dev can satisfy version requirements". I guess it might not be installable on Lenny, but I don't know why there doesn't seem to be a suitable version of libgtkhtml. Is the version needed by evolution 2.24 conflicting with the version needed by things in |
| 13:22.10 | BlueG | stable, and you can't install both? |
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| 13:22.16 | dreamer | jelly: atually .. yes! |
| 13:22.18 | jelly | azeem: pretty new for RandR 1.2 protocol version means ~xorg 7.3 |
| 13:22.48 | wearypanda | how do I force the debian installer to use a certain device driver for a given device? |
| 13:23.09 | mmm | very happy to see radeonHD used by default - was concerned to see other debian-derived distributions deciding to use the binary ATI driver by default instead |
| 13:23.09 | jelly | dreamer: hm, it might be not updated since May 2008, and still have vulnerable host keys. |
| 13:23.21 | dreamer | oh, it has been |
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| 13:23.37 | dreamer | and I can ssh to it with root |
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| 13:24.02 | jelly | dreamer: to the same remote user? |
| 13:24.14 | dreamer | yes |
| 13:24.18 | jelly | hrm. |
| 13:24.44 | jelly | dreamer: oh well, you can add -v or -vv to the ssh invocation and try to decipher the verbose messages. |
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| 13:24.52 | Stargazers | So. Here again! |
| 13:25.01 | Stargazers | Now I need help with backports. |
| 13:25.10 | Stargazers | I want to install newer Fluxbox. |
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| 13:25.43 | Stargazers | But, I have never done this. Bot says about backports that I should check if it alredy exists? |
| 13:25.43 | jelly | wearypanda: hm. blacklist that other driver? /msg dpkg installer blacklist |
| 13:25.54 | Stargazers | If some program is backported. |
| 13:26.15 | wearypanda | jelly: OK will try, thanks |
| 13:26.19 | Stargazers | In this case, I am interesed if fluxbox is backported, and if so, where I can see it? |
| 13:26.31 | mmm | jelly: sorry - not understanding how to use grandr to take advantage of dual screens |
| 13:26.44 | dreamer | jelly: not much to get from the debug .. it establishes a connection and then dies |
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| 13:27.01 | dreamer | jelly: lemme make a pastebin |
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| 13:28.14 | mmm | jelly: keep getting error, "User set screen size larger than max screen size" |
| 13:28.35 | dreamer | jelly: http://pastebin.com/m3cef9a81 |
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| 13:30.18 | Stargazers | Oh, backports.org not found fluxbox newer version. |
| 13:30.41 | abrotman | not for lenny |
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| 13:31.02 | Stargazers | "1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list" |
| 13:31.05 | Stargazers | What this means? |
| 13:31.12 | Stargazers | What is "sid"? |
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| 13:31.52 | dreamer | Stargazers: sid is an ancient release of debian |
| 13:31.56 | dreamer | 3.0 iirc ;) |
| 13:32.02 | jelly | !spank dreamer |
| 13:32.02 | dpkg | bends dreamer over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 13:32.04 | dreamer | oh wait |
| 13:32.05 | Stargazers | All righ. |
| 13:32.06 | dreamer | sorry -_- |
| 13:32.18 | jelly | Stargazers: sid = unstable |
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| 13:32.23 | Stargazers | Ok. |
| 13:32.39 | Stargazers | So, how I can install deb-src fromm"sid"? |
| 13:32.43 | jelly | Stargazers: the debian distribution you're trying to get a version from. |
| 13:32.43 | dreamer | it's the infinite unstable ;) |
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| 13:33.05 | jelly | Stargazers: take a look at your /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
| 13:33.15 | dreamer | jelly: so, any idea about my ssh-problem? ;) |
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| 13:33.32 | jelly | dreamer: could be anything |
| 13:33.40 | dreamer | hmz |
| 13:33.52 | Stargazers | Yesd? |
| 13:33.58 | Stargazers | jelly: It is now open |
| 13:34.22 | Stargazers | deb-src http://ftp.jyu.fi/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib is there |
| 13:34.34 | Stargazers | Should I copy paste and change to new line "main" to sid? |
| 13:34.41 | jelly | Stargazers: there is a number of lines starting with deb ... and possibly deb-src ...; those are pointers to package repositories |
| 13:34.58 | jelly | Stargazers: if that's a debian mirror, copy it and replace "lenny" with "sid" |
| 13:35.10 | Stargazers | All right, so I must chante lenny to sid |
| 13:35.15 | Stargazers | Yep it is, finnish. |
| 13:35.36 | jelly | that's what step 1) means |
| 13:35.41 | dreamer | Stargazers: lenny is the name of the current stable release |
| 13:35.43 | Stargazers | So my new line is: deb-src http://ftp.jyu.fi/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 13:35.54 | Stargazers | dreamer: Yep, I knew that, but thanks =) |
| 13:35.58 | jelly | Stargazers: (I'm assuming you're following /msg dpkg ssb) |
| 13:36.09 | Stargazers | jelly: Surely, but didn't understood that part. |
| 13:36.18 | Stargazers | Now I am going to continue to apt-gget update etc |
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| 13:36.44 | Stargazers | That part was little confusing because I didn't knew what is sid |
| 13:36.51 | Stargazers | But thanks, now I know it \o/ |
| 13:36.57 | jelly | Stargazers: /msg dpkg sid |
| 13:37.49 | infinity0 | anyone running 32bit debian wanna help me test something? |
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| 13:38.54 | infinity0 | infinity1: lol wtf |
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| 13:40.26 | black9ice2 | should I use the Debian nvidia driver or the latest one from Nvidia? |
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| 13:40.37 | jelly | someone oneupped you, infinity0 |
| 13:41.10 | infinity0 | lol |
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| 13:41.12 | Stargazers | Uh 104MB to install for deps of fluxbox. |
| 13:41.13 | EagleScreen | hi |
| 13:41.20 | Stargazers | Hi. |
| 13:41.23 | EagleScreen | linux 2.6.29 is in Sid |
| 13:41.31 | EagleScreen | so it must be ext4 support |
| 13:41.38 | jelly | Stargazers: build-deps are often quite large |
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| 13:41.59 | Stargazers | jelly: Can I later remove those packages? |
| 13:42.02 | EagleScreen | Is there any Debian installer which allow to install Debian in ext4 partition? |
| 13:42.11 | Stargazers | And if I do so, will it crash all the she-bang? |
| 13:42.28 | jelly | Stargazers: all the -dev packages you got with apt-get build-dep, yes. |
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| 13:43.03 | Stargazers | jelly: Ok. Is there any autmatically way to remove all the -dev packages what I have installed? |
| 13:43.05 | jelly | Stargazers: best to log somewhere that list of packages for posteriority |
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| 13:43.12 | jelly | Stargazers: in lenny, no |
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| 13:43.16 | Stargazers | Ok. |
| 13:43.51 | Stargazers | How about if I try to get list of all installed packages, then grep -dev from there and then remove thenm with xargs? |
| 13:44.06 | Stargazers | Err... |
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| 13:44.42 | jelly | Stargazers: IMHO easiest thing to do is to save this apt output (The following packages will be installed: ...) |
| 13:45.29 | jelly | remove them later with, for example, apt-get --purge remove blah-dev foo-dev moarstuff ... |
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| 13:46.02 | sproaty | when I make a .deb is there a way to specify a filetype to associate with my package? All my google results are saying about the .deb file format itself, and control files associates with .deb |
| 13:46.22 | Stargazers | jelly: Ok, well. This is little too late now :D |
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| 13:46.30 | dimsuz | hi! how do I configure the permissions of mounted flash drive? somewhere in hal config files? |
| 13:46.31 | Stargazers | But well, it does not matter that much =) |
| 13:46.55 | jelly | Stargazers: (shift-)PageUp doesn't work? |
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| 13:48.06 | Stargazers | jelly: Not sure, thought that buffer will end before it |
| 13:48.12 | Stargazers | Let me see if that was big enought |
| 13:48.31 | mmm | jelly: I found this great resource that explains setting up dual screens with the radeonHD xorg driver > http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/X.Org/Dual_Monitors/ATI |
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| 13:48.38 | Stargazers | Oh actually it was big enough, cool. |
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| 13:50.46 | jelly | mmm: yup; that Virtual ... line in xorg.conf is the most important part (and the likely reason why xrandr/grandr failed to work by default) |
| 13:51.04 | Stargazers | Uh, does apt-get -b source fluxbox create a dep package for me?? O_o |
| 13:51.17 | Stargazers | Great. |
| 13:51.35 | jelly | mmm: that wiki page doesn't really mention radeonhd driver at all? |
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| 13:52.37 | black9ice2 | should I use the Debian nvidia driver or the latest one from Nvidia??? |
| 13:52.51 | black9ice2 | 8800gtx |
| 13:52.57 | mmm | jelly: maybe it is too old - you're right, I need to set up a virtual monitor - it has been a while since I did this by hand |
| 13:53.25 | mmm | jelly: where has all the x-org configuration been moved? nothing seems to be in /etc/xorg.conf |
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| 13:53.45 | crowd | hello |
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| 13:54.03 | mmm | jelly: or do I just add it in there anyway... :) |
| 13:54.16 | infinity0 | hmm, i've just cross-compiled a 32bit debian package here but it thinks its dependencies are ia32-libs, etc |
| 13:54.28 | infinity0 | how do i make it do the right dependencies? |
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| 13:55.38 | crowd | I followed this howto "http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install" to install debain on my eeepc, i got to swap and partition and then i followed this howto "http://demenzia.net/2008/02/22/using-suspend-to-disk-with-eeexubuntu-on-a-eeepc" in order to ser s2disk |
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| 13:55.53 | crowd | but whenever i try to run s2disk i get: |
| 13:56.13 | crowd | s2disk: could not use the resume device (try swapon -a). reason: No such device |
| 13:56.19 | crowd | anyone can help? |
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| 13:57.45 | mmm | jelly: I think I found the answer here: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd (section 10.8 setup up multiple monitors) |
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| 14:03.31 | black9ice2 | just asking if I should use the 173 drivers or the latest ones 180 or whatever on a 8800gtx? the 173 ones seem kinda old |
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| 14:04.09 | Stargazers | Any ideas why my backspace key not work in gnu screen if I use roxterm, but in xterm it works well? |
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| 14:04.53 | orgthingy | !kde |
| 14:04.54 | dpkg | i guess kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get KDE, ask me about <install kde>. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
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| 14:07.46 | Stargazers | Oh, must add bindkey -d ^@ stuff ^? to .screerc |
| 14:07.54 | Stargazers | *screenrc |
| 14:08.32 | JyZyXEL | how do you see what terminal you are currently using? |
| 14:08.57 | izua | hi. I'm having a hard time mounting a partition |
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| 14:09.18 | izua | I want this partition to be accessible from my user account, as if i were root (it only holds downloads) |
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| 14:09.51 | izua | I have this line in fstab -> /dev/hdb2 /mnt/hdb2 ext3 user,umask=000 0 1 |
| 14:10.05 | izua | i can mount it as root, sure.. but then i can't access it from my user |
| 14:10.07 | Stargazers | Whoaa, now I have never Fluxbox! |
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| 14:10.21 | izua | and I can't mount it as a user |
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| 14:16.03 | izua | should i change permissions on the /dev/hdb2 ? |
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| 14:21.59 | Maior | izua: what happens when you try to mount it as a user, and no |
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| 14:28.15 | cjae | so http://www.ppcnux.com/?=kde42-on-debian-gnu-lenny sure doesn't work |
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| 14:28.23 | rayasLokas | http://bluepin.myminicity.com/ind |
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| 14:28.49 | infinity0 | where's the debian developers' channel? |
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| 14:29.00 | cjae | you guys have bots here? |
| 14:29.33 | ToreadorVampire | *mumble grumble* |
| 14:29.58 | Manoj | infinity0: #debian-devel@oftc |
| 14:30.15 | infinity0 | oh right, i tried debian-dev |
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| 14:30.47 | ToreadorVampire | OK - first serious complaint against Debian (which I otherwise love) - I am pretty certain that I'm not "doing it wrong" - but Debian Lenny's implementation of htcacheclean (for apache2) seems not to work :( |
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| 14:30.58 | sproaty | I'm making a package, and want to stick a link from my .py script without the .py, into /usr/bin so it can be called from the commandline -- ln -s $(CURDIR)/debian/whyteboard/usr/lib/whyteboard/whyteboard.py $(CURDIR)/debian/whyteboard/usr/bin/whyteboard |
| 14:31.11 | ToreadorVampire | And after reading docs and speaking with the apache guys, I am pretty certain that it's not down to me configuring it wrong :( |
| 14:31.14 | sproaty | tried so many variations on this |
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| 14:31.41 | scuser | hi all, this file http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/146992/ generates error "parse error before `false'" any help please :? |
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| 14:31.53 | orgthingy | sproaty: ok, remove the .py extention but at 1st line of the script have this "#!/wherever/python/is" |
| 14:32.05 | cjae | !kde |
| 14:32.05 | dpkg | kde is probably a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get KDE, ask me about <install kde>. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
| 14:32.18 | cjae | !kde42 |
| 14:32.30 | sproaty | orgthingy: remove the .py from the first file? |
| 14:32.40 | izua | Maior: i can't mount it. only root can do that. |
| 14:32.40 | Stargazers | Awwwww I love Fluxbox! \o/ |
| 14:32.46 | orgthingy | sproaty: no, from the name |
| 14:32.58 | orgthingy | brb, sproaty (few minutes) |
| 14:33.00 | Stargazers | Alt + double click on window to maximize and back, damn how good it is |
| 14:33.18 | izua | i think i fixed it for now, i removed the umask parameter (dmesg | tail said it was wrong) and added nodev,noexec,noguid |
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| 14:33.34 | sproaty | I managed to make a symolic link but it's to the directory I was creating the package from, not /usr/lib/myapp |
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| 14:34.55 | orgthingy | sproaty: remove the .py from filename |
| 14:35.01 | orgthingy | then, add this to the script |
| 14:35.03 | orgthingy | "#! /usr/bin/env python" |
| 14:35.16 | sproaty | yeah, it's in there |
| 14:35.18 | orgthingy | without the quotes, then put your script in /usr/bin/binary or wherever it should be |
| 14:35.27 | orgthingy | sproaty: ok, did you do chmod +x script? |
| 14:35.33 | orgthingy | script = script-name |
| 14:35.40 | sproaty | no, but it's set to executable anyway |
| 14:35.51 | orgthingy | ok then, it should work |
| 14:35.54 | sproaty | the symolicx link's not pointing to /usr/lib |
| 14:36.12 | orgthingy | sproaty: ask in #python , better i guess |
| 14:36.23 | sproaty | k, one last try then |
| 14:36.30 | sproaty | ln -s usr/lib/whyteboard/whyteboard.py $(CURDIR)/debian/whyteboard/usr/bin/whyteboard -- would that work in a paclage? |
| 14:36.40 | sproaty | package* |
| 14:36.56 | sproaty | I must've recreated this package like 15 times trying out it over and over |
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| 14:37.14 | orgthingy | try, and see for yourself...and why would you "package" it? |
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| 14:38.06 | sproaty | easier, auto add it to the start menu and stuff, launch it from the terminal just by app name... |
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| 14:39.56 | sproaty | YES!! |
| 14:40.06 | sproaty | ln -s /usr/lib/whyteboard/whyteboard.py $(CURDIR)/debian/whyteboard/usr/bin/whyteboard worked |
| 14:40.31 | jair | good morning guys, I have a very light build of lenny, and want to be able of control the time the machine power off the monitor i.e. 30 minutes after inactivity. If I don't want to install gnome, or kde, is there another lighter tool on gnu to manage this? |
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| 14:41.11 | Manoj | jair: try xset |
| 14:41.27 | Manoj | xset q should tell you all kinds of things |
| 14:41.38 | Manoj | jair: Look for the DPMS settings |
| 14:42.00 | Manoj | I have: Standby: 1200 Suspend: 1800 Off: 2400 |
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| 14:42.52 | jair | Manoj: beautiful let me check that :) |
| 14:43.13 | Manoj | jair: xset +dpms; xset dpms off XXXXX |
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| 14:44.21 | __8472 | hi, does anybody know for what precisely is the FILENAME refering in the SMBCLIENT ? thx |
| 14:44.43 | jair | Manoj: I do not want the machine to standby though just to turn off the monitor but I will read the man pages of it and configure it the way i want |
| 14:44.48 | jair | Manoj: thank you though |
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| 14:45.07 | Manoj | Jaif: make the standby time longer than the turn off time |
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| 14:46.42 | jair | Manoj: Thank you I will give it a try |
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| 14:47.01 | Manoj | is a fan of not using GNOME/KDE |
| 14:47.30 | LemensTS | unrelated to debian, but does anyone use thunderbird and gmail contacts/calendar. I was wondering what the prefered way was to sync them. |
| 14:47.34 | JyZyXEL | whats the best way for two users in the same box to chat? |
| 14:47.34 | zack23 | Converting etch testing to lenny requires few packages updated? odd |
| 14:47.40 | JyZyXEL | write sucks |
| 14:47.52 | abrotman | zack23: or you were already halfway there or didn't do a full-upgrade |
| 14:48.00 | abrotman | !tell zack23 about lenny release notes |
| 14:48.02 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: talk |
| 14:48.23 | zack23 | I did the full-upgrade through aptitude and only these had to be updated: liblcms1 liblcms1-dev libssl-dev libssl0.9.8 linux-libc-dev openssl python-crypto |
| 14:48.42 | Manoj | JyZyXEL: we used to use "talk" |
| 14:48.43 | zack23 | I did: . aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade |
| 14:48.50 | abrotman | zack23: paste your sources.list and the output of `apt-cache policy && aptitude full-upgrade` |
| 14:49.00 | JyZyXEL | Manoj oh ok ill try |
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| 14:49.07 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: your server will need talkd and talk |
| 14:49.58 | jair | Manoj: I am glad, I am trying to use just x clients utils, and lightweight things... |
| 14:50.01 | JyZyXEL | i once chatted with my friend by screen -x |
| 14:50.07 | Manoj | BTW, for the adventurous, a new version of kernel-package now lives in the experimental distrivution, and should be more flexible when it comes to building kernel image packages. Take it for a spin. Kick the tires. |
| 14:50.17 | JyZyXEL | we logged with the same user and screen -x'ed to the same screen :D |
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| 14:50.41 | zack23 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d334f42bf |
| 14:50.58 | Manoj | if people try it out, we can fix bugs before the new kernel-package moves to unstable |
| 14:51.01 | abrotman | Manoj: so it hasn't been retired yet? |
| 14:51.10 | Manoj | abrotman: good heavens, no |
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| 14:51.22 | abrotman | keeps hearing it has been 'deprecated' |
| 14:51.26 | Manoj | abrotman: how else are people supposed to compile non-debian kernel sources? |
| 14:51.34 | LimeBurst | geordi: template <typename T> struct foo { template<typename T2> struct bar {}; template <> struct bar<int> {}; }; |
| 14:51.38 | Manoj | abrotman: Ah, that's just maxx. |
| 14:51.44 | abrotman | Manoj: uh .. make ? :) |
| 14:51.50 | enouf | abrotman: i asked about it last night - check factoid now |
| 14:52.01 | abrotman | Manoj: something about `make deb-pkg` or somethig ? |
| 14:52.09 | arvind_khadri | hi, isnt there any guide which tells how to build PPA's in Debian |
| 14:52.12 | Manoj | abrotman: if you want to build a kernel on a different machine than you deploy it on, making a .deb is better |
| 14:52.20 | enouf | !kernel compile |
| 14:52.21 | dpkg | it has been said that kernel compile is To (re)build the official kernels, see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage ; for personal kernel packages it is simpler to just use <make-kpkg> |
| 14:52.30 | Manoj | and the upstream make deb is rarely policy compliant, and has fewer features |
| 14:52.42 | liable | Manoj: kernel-team doesnt suggest using it last time i tangled with them |
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| 14:52.49 | abrotman | Manoj: ah, gotcha |
| 14:52.53 | CalJohn | Anyone know where I can find pyCrust in debian? I can't find it with apt-cache search |
| 14:53.04 | Manoj | liable: the kernel team does not advocate using it for official kernels, no |
| 14:53.15 | enouf | ... |
| 14:53.21 | enouf | why not? |
| 14:53.23 | Manoj | liable: which is their right. They hand tool all kinds of things for official kernels |
| 14:53.36 | zack23 | abrotman: That paste seems okay to you? I suppose testing was updated etc |
| 14:53.38 | __8472 | hi, does anybody know for what precisely is the FILENAME refering in the SMBCACLS ? thx |
| 14:53.40 | enouf | oh .. i see |
| 14:54.08 | Manoj | make-kpkg is more general, and has more options for the end user (the official kernels only have the options and facilities decided upon by th e debian kernel team) |
| 14:54.28 | jair | Manoj: what is the command to see my current DPMS settings? xset -q? |
| 14:54.36 | arvind_khadri | hi, isnt there any guide which tells how to build PPA's in Debian Manoj |
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| 14:55.00 | jair | Manoj: but when I run this it will try to bring a gui or it will be a text settings on the CLI like yours above? |
| 14:55.22 | enouf | Manoj: so basically the kernel team is saying "let us do the building .. you install the .deb (linux-image-X) .. for all others, maybe make-kpkg is ok, but we don't need nor use it" ? |
| 14:55.29 | Manoj | make-kpkg makes it easier now to just hack on som bits of the kernel, or maybe use git to update a small part of the kernel, and run make-kpkg again, and have everything just work. This means it has to cater to more aspects of the kernel choices than the official method does |
| 14:55.44 | Manoj | jair: xset q (no -) |
| 14:55.47 | abrotman | zack23: that's the way it seems. don't see anything pinned back, and nothing held back |
| 14:55.53 | enouf | jair: for console see /etc/console*/* |
| 14:56.13 | jair | enouf: thank you |
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| 14:56.19 | jair | Manoj: thank you |
| 14:56.22 | enouf | console-setup, console-data are the pkgs, IIRC |
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| 14:56.28 | Manoj | enouf: no, they say k-p is broken. I think they are incompetent. |
| 14:56.43 | enouf | Manoj: i understand better now then - thanks |
| 14:57.12 | enouf | Manoj: just ... last night it was confined to one specific person saying similar |
| 14:57.16 | Manoj | enouf: I suggest rather than taking either side at its words, try out make-kpkg. See for yourself. |
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| 14:57.28 | enouf | Manoj: i have .,. many times ;-) |
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| 14:57.45 | Manoj | enouf: actually, only maxx, and sometimes waldi, every say that |
| 14:57.54 | enouf | gotcha |
| 14:57.59 | tapas | i have added etch-backports to my sources.lst and ran update (it complained about a key) |
| 14:58.08 | Manoj | enouf: the rest of the team have never echoed that -- far less the developer body as a whole |
| 14:58.10 | liable | Manoj: no fear, we still suggest people use it here if they must build a kernel. it works fine |
| 14:58.23 | tapas | i guess that's the reason for notbeing able to find grub2, although: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=grub2&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports |
| 14:58.57 | Manoj | look, if there are bugs in make-kpkg -- just file them. I don't close bugs just because I have a new version out |
| 14:59.15 | enouf | Manoj: btw - there is no easy way to alter config options (say to test out a few specific options) and rebuild using make-kpkg without having to go through the entire process again, is there? something like a make -O or similar? |
| 14:59.31 | Manoj | talking about bugs, is anyone seeing modprobe errors about failing to load modules.dep in their dmesg? |
| 14:59.52 | enouf | i've seen some complain in here about it, sure |
| 15:00.05 | enouf | not i personally though |
| 15:00.12 | Manoj | enouf: rm -rf ./debian will do it in newish k-p; or just use the k-p from experimental (it does the rm -rf ./debian for you on every invocation) |
| 15:00.41 | enouf | Manoj: make-kpkg clean does the same (and then some?) |
| 15:00.48 | Manoj | the only reason I did not do it earlier was because the kernel team put things in ./debian they did not want o lose, and k-p could not recreate |
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| 15:01.07 | Manoj | now that maxx and waldi are deprecating k-p, I have no reason to support official kernels |
| 15:01.17 | enouf | cries |
| 15:01.31 | Manoj | It might even be fun to see official kernels break becausre the deprecated k-p changes :-) |
| 15:01.54 | Manoj | enouf: make-kpkg clean also calls make mrproper, and you lose all the .o files |
| 15:02.18 | enouf | ahh .. so, if the .o files exist, that's one less step to build - thanks |
| 15:02.33 | Manoj | enouf: so running clean means you are starting from scratch; rm -rf ./debian means only the stuff you changed will be redone, since upstream build system takes care of that |
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| 15:02.52 | enouf | Manoj: thank you very much for that info ... |
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| 15:03.05 | Manoj | talking about bugs, is anyone seeing modprobe errors about failing to load modules.dep in their dmesg? |
| 15:03.12 | Manoj | There is #516553, but I can't reproduce it. |
| 15:03.50 | Manoj | I am wondering if it was a local glitch, or whether itis a widespread phenomena |
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| 15:05.10 | jair | Manoj: this is the current settings on my system => http://paste.debian.net/32848 What I am trying to understand is "standby" refers to the monitor only or to the system hard drive and other components, the differences on the "suspend" and "off" also noticed that there is a line indicating "Montior is off" |
| 15:05.27 | Manoj | Jaif: xset only controls the X display |
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| 15:05.55 | pipegeek | So, I'm stuck with etch for the time being. Running aptitude seems to cause terminal corruption, which sometimes leaves the terminal unusable. Is this a known bug, and is there a workaround? |
| 15:05.58 | Manoj | suspend means the monitor is on, but is displaying black |
| 15:06.07 | Manoj | off means the monitor is off |
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| 15:06.21 | enouf | Manoj: there was another bug that had to do with people complaining that their new .config (after running make oldconfig ; make menuconfig) was not showing the options they know were present -- (IOW, they kept getting their original .config to appear) .. now i can think of many reasons why that might occur; from not patching the kernel correctly to them inadvertantly wiping out their changes |
| 15:06.24 | enouf | - but i think i walked someone through all this once, and neither seemed to be the case -- any of this sound familiar? |
| 15:06.28 | Manoj | it is faster t come from suspend to on |
| 15:07.16 | Manoj | enouf: well, that has nothing to do with k-p; it might have been an upstream bug. I have never seen it, so I am not sure what was going on there |
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| 15:08.04 | Manoj | if anything, it seems like they might not have saved the config when running menuconfig, it is not automatically saved, if you kill -9 the process. |
| 15:08.13 | jair | Manoj: understood. and what about the line "Monitor is off"? I went to check the monitor and is on? |
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| 15:08.17 | sproaty | is there a way to add filetype associations to a debian package? |
| 15:08.23 | enouf | Manoj: ok - thanks for lending an ear .. if any more comes from it, i'll be sure to tell them to file a bug with appropriate pkgs, if indeed it wasn't due to upstream kernel.org bugs |
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| 15:09.01 | pipegeek | further addendum: this only seems to happen in 64-bit debian. |
| 15:09.19 | Manoj | Jaif: That is scary. It might mean that your monitor stats are not correctly being read by the X server. EDID is how one reads these things, |
| 15:09.21 | enouf | jair: are you using a DE? from what i've seen in kde, standby only touches my monitor, nothing else |
| 15:09.35 | enouf | get-edid |
| 15:09.41 | enouf | get-edid | parse-edid |
| 15:09.43 | enouf | IIRC |
| 15:09.50 | Manoj | right |
| 15:10.08 | Manoj | the new xorg is supposed to internalize some of that, though |
| 15:10.20 | enouf | hrm .. ok |
| 15:10.39 | Manoj | Jaif: Look into /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:10.43 | pipegeek | Ooohh, and it only happens from gnome-terminal. Never mind, let me track this thing down |
| 15:10.44 | RichiH | no idea what x.org uses, but it can start without _any_ config with the right hardware |
| 15:11.03 | enouf | Manoj: it's jair , not jaif ;-) |
| 15:11.07 | Manoj | enouf: they tell me you no longer need /etc/X11/xorg.conf, since the Xorg server just auto probes |
| 15:11.14 | rhineheart_m | how to check available RAM? |
| 15:11.22 | Manoj | damn. Completion sucks in xchat |
| 15:11.27 | enouf | Manoj: they tell many people that ;-) but we know better :-P |
| 15:11.53 | enouf | but indeed it also does work for many others |
| 15:11.55 | pipegeek | fixed $TERM, all things are hunky and dory |
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| 15:12.18 | stew | rhineheart_m: "free -m" will show it in megabytes the -/+ buffers/cache is probably the line you want to pay attention to |
| 15:13.01 | sproaty | wow this is mad i have 9 bytes free HDD soace |
| 15:13.25 | enouf | ext3 reserved root blocks FTW ;-) |
| 15:13.48 | sproaty | hmm that's strange audacity's got a 170mb temp folder somewhere o_O |
| 15:13.58 | enouf | (i suppose ext2 as well if one wants) |
| 15:13.59 | JyZyXEL | my laptop HDD broke today |
| 15:14.12 | JyZyXEL | the laptop won't boot even to CD cause there is no HDD |
| 15:14.16 | Manoj | enouf, abrotman: http://www.golden-gryphon.com/blog/manoj/blog/2009/04/07/Not_your_father__39__s_kernel-package/ |
| 15:14.35 | Manoj | that should bring you upto date with the current status of k-p |
| 15:15.06 | jair | enouf: I am trying to keep this in the cli |
| 15:15.07 | enouf | Manoj: cool ... thanks |
| 15:15.07 | sproaty | no wonder my firefox wouldn't restore its previous session |
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| 15:15.35 | pipegeek | Nope, I lied. regardless of $TERM and regardless of terminal emulator, aptitude screws up the terminal by dumping some random data to stdout in the process of drawing its interface every few times it's run. It occasionally segfaults. 64-bit only. Any idea why this might be? |
| 15:15.43 | abrotman | reads |
| 15:16.05 | enouf | jair: hrm ... well, where are you reading about suspend/standby etc? are you not dealing with X and xset? or .. |
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| 15:16.46 | jair | enouf: yes yes |
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| 15:17.22 | jair | I am running gnome to set this up but I was wondering if I could just run a lighter xclient like just x or blackbox |
| 15:17.30 | takuan | I have a very strange problem with printing |
| 15:17.33 | takuan | when i print |
| 15:17.44 | takuan | from the command line the cups job is around 140k big |
| 15:17.54 | enouf | jair: well .. i'm not sure then .. again, if some other DE or WM is overriding your settings, that might be what's occuring .. |
| 15:17.56 | jair | enouf: but still been able to setup the monitor or x display settings |
| 15:18.15 | takuan | if i print from gv the size is 8.8 MB... |
| 15:18.15 | enouf | jair: i know i have Option DPMS in my xorg.conf |
| 15:18.21 | takuan | anybody an idea? |
| 15:18.23 | neosmatrix | Hi someone knows wether there is a command to check how many messages are queued from kopete in dbus? |
| 15:18.36 | jair | enouf: I don't think that is happening I do not have the power settings gnome programs |
| 15:18.36 | Stargazers | Great, installed newest ubuntu testing version what will be released in the end of this month and it broke everythjing :D |
| 15:18.41 | enouf | jair: might want to mail debian-x list about any specific issues ... |
| 15:18.45 | takuan | since i'm printing over the network it takes a while to get the 8.8mb for one page over the network |
| 15:18.50 | Stargazers | Good reason to burn a debian CD and switch debian to main computer also :P |
| 15:18.58 | jair | enouf: alright I will keep searchin googling |
| 15:19.06 | enouf | jair: how about ACPI support scripts |
| 15:19.07 | enouf | ? |
| 15:19.23 | takuan | i guess this has something to do with ghostscript or something? |
| 15:19.28 | enouf | jair: any fancy WMs like compiz and stuffs? |
| 15:20.23 | enouf | jair: something from gnome might be getting in the way (unbeknowns to you) |
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| 15:26.38 | jair | enouf: thank you |
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| 15:28.42 | chordogg | this question is a bit esoteric but i thought i'd try my luck. I'm trying to connect my Samsung Instinct so I can access the MMC, and i'm getting a message with dmesg saying usb-storage: probe of 2-6:1.0 failed with error -5 |
| 15:28.42 | chordogg | and i can't locate the device in /dev...any clues? |
| 15:28.45 | Foriskak | I'm trying to start an app and it is failing without any messages |
| 15:28.52 | PeterFA | Anyone getting choppy MP3 playback with Squeeze suddenly? |
| 15:28.52 | Foriskak | strace shows that is tries to open some files read only, but open() exits with 3 |
| 15:29.00 | Foriskak | these are essential files taht it needs |
| 15:29.02 | Foriskak | any ideas? |
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| 15:29.49 | Foriskak | anybody know what exit status 3 for open() system call means? |
| 15:30.05 | vyrus001 | is there a way to build a kernel mod into the install disk? just got a new hp mini 1k and the network cards arent in the installer |
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| 15:31.58 | Maior | Foriskak: I would assume ESRCH |
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| 15:34.17 | chordogg | i just upgraded my kernel and all of the sudden alsaconf is saying No supported PnP or PCI card found... |
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| 15:35.35 | P4C0 | hello, can someone give me hand with exim4? I need to increase the smtp_accept_max and smtp_accept_max_per_host, however I'm not sure which files to modify, I understand that there's two ways, single file or splitted files, how can I know which one this installation has and how can I modify it?? |
| 15:35.59 | gewt | 14127kb/s down |
| 15:36.03 | gewt | o.o |
| 15:36.11 | gewt | on y peronal speedtest |
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| 15:37.31 | SparFux | How can I clear all linkkeys for usb bluetooth connections stored in debian? |
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| 15:39.18 | valdyn | Foriskak: open has a manpage |
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| 15:40.22 | takuan | mmm |
| 15:40.28 | takuan | looks like an isolated case |
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| 15:46.16 | ktlr | can somebody tell me a gui client for scp ? |
| 15:46.31 | LZNPDE | winscp |
| 15:46.39 | LZNPDE | for windows O_O |
| 15:46.49 | ktlr | yeah, not linux |
| 15:46.54 | Zyferus | might work under wine |
| 15:46.55 | ktlr | i need that on linux |
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| 15:46.59 | SPF | secpanel - A graphical user interface for SSH and SCP |
| 15:47.16 | ranix | lol winscp in wine |
| 15:47.20 | ranix | !scp |
| 15:47.20 | dpkg | scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. The client program is in the openssh-client package and it just uses the ssh server at the other end so you don't need to install anything special on the server (openssh-server package). ssh + cpio. Install scponly to restrict commands to scp-users. More infos: <sftp><sshfs> |
| 15:47.23 | Zyferus | hehe |
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| 15:47.40 | ranix | just use command line scp |
| 15:47.48 | ranix | it's objectively better |
| 15:48.02 | ktlr | SPF, thanks |
| 15:48.19 | SPF | np, used apt-cache search scp :) |
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| 15:48.34 | ktlr | just i was searching at scp gui client and i havent got a result |
| 15:48.39 | chordogg | hello everyone, i just upgraded to debian squeeze and alsaconf is not finding my sound card. does anyone know of this issue? |
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| 15:49.13 | Trewas | ktlr: nautilus or gftp, and probably their kde counterparts |
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| 15:50.23 | mmm_ | What is required to help edit wiki pages? |
| 15:51.33 | stew | mmm_: nothing but an account on the wiki, last I checked |
| 15:51.54 | mmm_ | stew: top left of the page says "Immutable Page" |
| 15:52.11 | mmm_ | oh, oops, I was not logged in |
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| 15:52.16 | mmm_ | stew: thanks |
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| 15:57.21 | ktlr | Trewas, thanks gftp works perfectly |
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| 16:01.19 | linduxed | lets say ive got a server that has an empty drive that isnt mounted, and a filled up drive that is mounted and contains / with all of its subdirectories (some split onto partitions). would there be any problems if i wanted to do a "dd if=/dev/sd<old drive> of=/dev/sd<empty drive>" if the old drive is being used? |
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| 16:03.05 | SparFux | Damn, I can't get bluetooth to work. |
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| 16:08.46 | xoz_ | linduxed: i think no problem. you are just reading the root directory |
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| 16:09.37 | demontager | Who know any Proxy finder utility for Linux_Ubuntu? |
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| 16:12.17 | linduxed | xoz_: i meant recursively... |
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| 16:12.47 | linduxed | like the entire drive including mbr and stuff |
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| 16:13.50 | valdyn | linduxed: yes, dont use dd, use dump |
| 16:14.23 | valdyn | linduxed: or just fsck the new disks filesystems later |
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| 16:16.38 | linduxed | valdyn: whats dump? |
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| 16:16.57 | xoz_ | linduxed: still no problem. it will not do endless loop if that is your concern. it will just copy the current file and recursively copy other files. it will not backtrack even if other files change. |
| 16:17.06 | valdyn | linduxed: dumpe2fs |
| 16:17.29 | linduxed | xoz_: hmmmm, ok |
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| 16:19.27 | jvogel | hi - what's the best method for encrypting the entire system during a debian installation? |
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| 16:21.29 | hepta | i see the following i features.h on my system |
| 16:21.36 | hepta | #if defined _POSIX_SOURCE || _POSIX_C_SOURCE >= 1 || defined _XOPEN_SOURCE |
| 16:21.48 | hepta | that doesnt seem to work with -std=c99 |
| 16:22.18 | hepta | so it seems the core dev headers are a bit stale? what do i miss? |
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| 16:22.48 | hepta | /usr/include/features.h:209:46: error: operator '||' has no right operand |
| 16:22.53 | hepta | thats what i get 8-( |
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| 16:23.07 | hepta | on lenny |
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| 16:35.30 | red_eyes | Hello. I am using Debian kde. I think my microphone is muted, because others can't hear me in Skype, but I can hear them. How can I unmute it? Thanks. |
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| 16:38.02 | Piet | red_eyes: use a mixer application. kde should have one but i don't know what it is called. |
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| 16:38.17 | asg | red_eyes: #debian-kde may also be of assistance |
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| 16:38.21 | Piet | if you have the main kde package installed, the mixer should be displayed by default |
| 16:38.37 | red_eyes | Thank you |
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| 16:40.42 | red_eyes | I used alsamixer, but the mics are at the 100 level |
| 16:40.54 | stew | red_eyes: is it also unmuted? (m toggles mute) |
| 16:41.05 | stew | red_eyes: MM in the bottom means muted, OO is unmuted |
| 16:41.26 | red_eyes | Hmm |
| 16:41.32 | red_eyes | It doesn't show it |
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| 16:41.47 | red_eyes | Front mic boost and mic boost don't have MM or OO |
| 16:41.56 | red_eyes | IEC958 has MM |
| 16:42.07 | red_eyes | IEC958 D has OO |
| 16:42.16 | Stargazers | Uh, how I can force my display to go at 1280x1024 @ 85? |
| 16:42.31 | stew | red_eyes: iec958 is spdif |
| 16:42.32 | Stargazers | I now use xrandr in fluxbox confit to set it but.. |
| 16:42.44 | stew | red_eyes: hit tab to get to the capture window? |
| 16:42.53 | stew | red_eyes: or show us the output of "amixer" |
| 16:43.19 | red_eyes | stew: the captures are low |
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| 16:43.23 | red_eyes | I raise them a bit |
| 16:43.49 | red_eyes | stew: I will take screenshots |
| 16:44.03 | stew | red_eyes: don't bother, pastebin the output of 'amixer' |
| 16:44.05 | stew | it shows everything |
| 16:44.10 | red_eyes | ok |
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| 16:45.16 | red_eyes | stew: http://pastebin.com/m76f1f1b1 |
| 16:45.36 | asperon | hi guys, how can i tell if i am using 32bit or 64bit debian? is there a reason why i shouldn't use 64bit? (since all modern processors support it, right?) |
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| 16:46.05 | Maior | asperon: there are many modern 32bit processors, I think you'll find |
| 16:46.07 | zbychuk | When I try l2ping as normal user i get: Can't create socket: Operation not permited. What can be done about it? |
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| 16:46.34 | Maior | asperon: also, uname -r |
| 16:46.36 | asperon | Major: oh, is that so, guess i was misstaken then |
| 16:46.47 | asperon | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 16:46.50 | asperon | 32bit? |
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| 16:47.54 | stew | red_eyes: yeah, 'Capture' is pretty low, otherwise i don't see anything obvious |
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| 16:49.07 | asg | zbychuk: run it as root or use sudo to allow select users to run it with rootly privs |
| 16:49.12 | red_eyes | stew: What's the difference between mic and front mic? |
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| 16:49.29 | nex | hello,a programm for see boot kernel and all daemon start and the warning,panic etc..by default in var/log kernel not report all problem |
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| 16:50.04 | stew | red_eyes: i don't know |
| 16:50.25 | red_eyes | ok |
| 16:50.26 | red_eyes | Thanks |
| 16:50.56 | zbychuk | asg: is there some user group to which i have to join my login name in my system? This is the way with cdr writing. |
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| 16:52.50 | Baneo | root:$1$881LVSAS$H.l4vPr8zQ5P.2bXW5G8e0:14343:0:99999:7::: |
| 16:52.56 | Baneo | hi guys im trying to reset the root password i've editing this in shadow root:$1$881LVSAS$H.l4vPr8zQ5P.2bXW5G8e0:14343:0:99999:7::: |
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| 16:53.03 | norbert_ | hi all; does anyone here know what kde-packages I will need to install to make fonts look better in Skype in Lenny? |
| 16:53.11 | Baneo | root:*:0:99999:7::: |
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| 16:53.37 | PeterFA | Baneo, ok, then go to another machine in which you know the root password, copy the salt and password in place of the one you want to reset. |
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| 16:53.51 | PeterFA | Baneo, then you use the password on the other machine on that one and viola, it works. |
| 16:54.17 | Baneo | PeterFA: good idea - thanks |
| 16:55.38 | sphenxes03 | How can i change the default program in Nautilus for opening movies? movies are opened with movie player (when i click on the right mouse), i would like to change the defualt to vlc. which is on the menu? |
| 16:55.45 | priest | Will "sun-java6-jre" from the non-free pool be updated for every security release from SUN? |
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| 16:56.08 | SparFux | how to exchange keys for bluetooth paring? |
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| 16:57.28 | jpinx | Baneo: you can reset root pwd with sudo if you have it set up |
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| 16:57.49 | zbychuk | How to pair bluetooth devices (cellphone and laptop) and use them as a normal user? |
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| 16:59.22 | mrglinux1 | Internet connection shared doesn't work in debian .it ping host but it can ping yahoo.com or ... every setting is ok |
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| 17:00.54 | asaleem_ | I want a user to be able to use sco only. How can I do that |
| 17:01.05 | asaleem_ | I want a user to be able to use scp/winscp only. How can I do that |
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| 17:01.22 | asaleem_ | I tried /bin/false, did not work |
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| 17:02.09 | red_eyes | stew: Can you please help me with something perhaps not related to debian? |
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| 17:03.41 | azeem | red_eyes: it's inappropriate to ask that in here |
| 17:03.51 | azeem | please find the relevant help in the relevant channel |
| 17:03.51 | norbert_ | you guys, seriously |
| 17:04.05 | red_eyes | ok sorry |
| 17:04.06 | norbert_ | I'm using Gnome on Debian Lenny and Skype looks ugly |
| 17:04.21 | norbert_ | does anyone know what package(s) I need to make it - its fonts - look better |
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| 17:05.56 | valdyn | norbert_: qtconfig |
| 17:06.05 | norbert_ | valdyn: thanks valdyn |
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| 17:08.57 | SparFux | How can I allow my headset to be accessed by alsa? Connection refused - security block is what I get so far. |
| 17:09.08 | stew | red_eyes: perhaps ask in #freenode or ask in #freenode where a better place to ask is. this channel should be only about debian |
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| 17:09.25 | red_eyes | stew: ok thanks |
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| 17:17.34 | khaije|h | anyone know the ftp command to move files from ./ (local) to ./ (remote) ? |
| 17:17.34 | stew | khaije|h: put filename |
| 17:17.34 | khaije|h | i'm doing put ./* . but no joy |
| 17:17.34 | stew | khaije|h: for that you may need mput |
| 17:17.34 | stew | and myabe want to toggle prompt off |
| 17:17.34 | khaije|h | stew: mkay |
| 17:17.34 | stew | and ftp sucks |
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| 17:17.35 | JyZyXEL | stew whats the better alternative? |
| 17:17.35 | norbert_ | valdyn: that didn't work, unfortunately |
| 17:17.35 | stew | JyZyXEL: scp, sftp |
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| 17:17.35 | norbert_ | valdyn: http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=298961 |
| 17:17.35 | varlon | hi, I just installed debian lenny, in mc default editor is nano, I want to use mcedit, how I can change default editor? |
| 17:17.35 | norbert_ | valdyn: and I don't seem to be alone with this problem |
| 17:17.35 | norbert_ | valdyn: also, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=423195 |
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| 17:17.36 | khaije|h | stew: ok that looks good, but even though prompt is off it's still stopping at each file, is there a cmdline switch or something? |
| 17:17.36 | norbert_ | valdyn: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=751528 |
| 17:17.36 | norbert_ | valdyn: another person and 2 bumps |
| 17:17.36 | JyZyXEL | whats a good way to remove X and all the graphical shit? |
| 17:17.37 | norbert_ | (although my fonts are way more ugly than that example on that page) |
| 17:17.37 | stew | khaije|h: prompt should really be the thing you need to make it not prompt, perhaps you toggled it on? |
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| 17:17.37 | stew | khaije|h: which client are you using? |
| 17:17.37 | stew | JyZyXEL: remove x11-common |
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| 17:17.37 | khaije|h | whatever lenny pulled in |
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| 17:17.50 | Baneo | im on a rescue console trying to reset root password however im struggling to mount the root drive - how would you go about this? |
| 17:18.03 | khaije|h | i typed 'prompt' and it said 'interactive mode off' |
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| 17:18.21 | JyZyXEL | E: Couldn't find package remove |
| 17:18.41 | stew | khaije|h: there are much better ftp clients. try ncftp or lfgtp |
| 17:18.45 | stew | err lftp |
| 17:18.58 | stew | JyZyXEL: i mean "you should remove the x11-common package" |
| 17:19.42 | JyZyXEL | dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of x11-common: |
| 17:19.42 | dpkg | JyZyXEL: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 17:19.44 | khaije|h | stew: mkay, ncftp is ncurses? (ncurses is awesome) |
| 17:19.52 | JyZyXEL | theres a shitload of problems |
| 17:20.20 | khaije|h | stew: it looks like it's working non-interactive'y now actually |
| 17:20.27 | stew | JyZyXEL: what command did you use? |
| 17:20.34 | JyZyXEL | dpkg --remove x11-common |
| 17:20.34 | dpkg | rips the still-beating x11-common from jyzyxel's chest, leaving jyzyxel in a coma. |
| 17:20.36 | khaije|h | but i'll still check out those clients you mentioned |
| 17:20.43 | stew | khaije|h: ncftp is a similar interface to ftp that you are using, just a much smarter client |
| 17:20.47 | stew | JyZyXEL: use aptitude or apt-get |
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| 17:22.12 | valdyn | norbert_: hmm, it works for me, kind of |
| 17:22.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | khaije|h, ah, nostalgia... Iback in the days ftp clients didn't use "binary mode" by default.... but I guess this at least was a problem you didn't run into anymore :) |
| 17:22.34 | norbert_ | valdyn: ok, I'm now trying qt4-qtconfig, maybe that'll work here |
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| 17:23.03 | valdyn | norbert_: i have skype running here, i run qtconfig, changes apply live in skype after i hit save |
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| 17:23.19 | norbert_ | valdyn: ok |
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| 17:24.03 | valdyn | norbert_: qtconfig is the same as qtconfig-4 on my system |
| 17:24.12 | norbert_ | ok |
| 17:24.38 | norbert_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2009-01-13 22:12 /usr/bin/qtconfig -> /etc/alternatives/qtconfig |
| 17:24.38 | norbert_ | norbert@ren:~$ ls -l /etc/alternatives/qtconfig |
| 17:24.38 | norbert_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2009-01-13 22:12 /etc/alternatives/qtconfig -> /usr/bin/qtconfig-qt4 |
| 17:24.42 | norbert_ | same here |
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| 17:24.49 | DogWater | Anyone know why Debian 5 comes up and exclaims that it needs a non-free firmware file for my new Dell R710 server? |
| 17:24.55 | asaleem_ | I want a user to be able to use scp/winscp only. How can I do that |
| 17:25.09 | valdyn | !scponly |
| 17:25.16 | abrotman | DogWater: for which device/driver? |
| 17:25.17 | stew | DogWater: i'd guess becuase of the bnx2 network card |
| 17:25.19 | valdyn | asaleem_: theres an scponly package, read its docs |
| 17:25.25 | HardDisk_WP | how do I display all currently active iptables rules? |
| 17:25.32 | asaleem_ | thanks valdyn |
| 17:25.46 | DogWater | the 4 port broadcomm net extreme card, the funny thing is it works okay in Ubuntu and the 2950-iii has a very similar card in it and it works fine |
| 17:26.08 | stew | DogWater: yes, ubuntu includes non-free software that debian cannot include |
| 17:26.11 | valdyn | DogWater: how do you know that ubuntu does not use firmware for it? |
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| 17:26.43 | stew | DogWater: you can pu firmware-bnx2 package only a usb key or some such |
| 17:26.46 | DogWater | I don't know, all I know is that when i net install with ubuntu it works, and with debian it eats fail |
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| 17:26.55 | SidGBF | folks... What would be needed, in hardware, for a file server, shared between 16 web developers working remotely? |
| 17:27.04 | stew | DogWater: yes, becuase your network card requires non-free firmware that debian cannot include |
| 17:27.18 | stew | DogWater: but debian provides it from the non-free repository in a firmware-bnx2 package instead |
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| 17:27.41 | DogWater | Does anyone know where in the net install img i would have to put that firmware file for it to work on a net install? all of our installs are completely unattended |
| 17:29.16 | stew | DogWater: try this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
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| 17:31.49 | JyZyXEL | man i don't understand why you can use screen if you "su" to another account |
| 17:31.51 | Supertanker | Hi, I seem to have this weird problem with my network. If I tell my server to reboot via SSH, my main Debian desktop can't connect to it after it rully boots back--it claims that the network times out, even though the ifconfig status on the server screen shows that the link is up and running with an IP. Furthermore, the server can ping the desktop, though not the other way around. Any ideas? |
| 17:32.00 | JyZyXEL | its always been like that |
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| 17:32.43 | stew | JyZyXEL: you don't understand why you can? or did you mean why you can't? |
| 17:32.53 | asperon | what is the best way to install the kernal sources if i need to build a kernal module? |
| 17:32.54 | JyZyXEL | why i can't |
| 17:32.57 | JyZyXEL | never been able to |
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| 17:33.07 | JyZyXEL | it just goes Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/4' - please check. |
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| 17:33.19 | stew | JyZyXEL: check the permissions / ownership of /dev/pts/4 |
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| 17:33.50 | JyZyXEL | stew well its for the account that i used to log in |
| 17:33.51 | neosmatrix_ | Hi someone knows wether there is a command to check how many messages are queued from kopete in dbus? |
| 17:33.59 | JyZyXEL | then i su'ed to another account |
| 17:34.10 | stew | JyZyXEL: right, and the other account doesn't have permission to the tty |
| 17:34.19 | stew | JyZyXEL: you'd have to chown or chmod the tty |
| 17:34.42 | JyZyXEL | oh so before i su to another account i need to chown my terminal to him? |
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| 17:36.21 | JyZyXEL | can su do it? |
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| 17:37.44 | JyZyXEL | -l Provide an environment similar to what the user would expect had the user logged in directly. |
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| 17:40.30 | asperon | anybody? |
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| 17:41.05 | stew | JyZyXEL: you can't chown anything to another user, root has to |
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| 17:41.32 | PeterFA | asperon, I'm naked. |
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| 17:41.44 | stew | asperon: you don't need kernel sources, you need kernel headers, "aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" |
| 17:42.11 | stew | asperon: which kernel module are you building? if there is a -source package for the module in debian, there might be an easier way |
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| 17:43.12 | asperon | stew: its a tv card driver, and it seems to need the sources |
| 17:43.31 | stew | asperon: which kernel module are you building? |
| 17:43.49 | stew | asperon: what makes you think you need to sources and not just the header? |
| 17:43.50 | stew | s |
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| 17:44.12 | khaije|h | stew: just fyi ncftp works _alot_ better thanks! |
| 17:44.16 | asperon | stew: the compile fails, and the guy who wrote it/manages it told me to get the kernel sources |
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| 17:44.49 | stew | asperon: then you can get kernel sources for a linux-source-$version package (apt-cache search -n linux-source) or by downloading one from kernel.org |
| 17:44.59 | stew | asperon: (and you'll have to completely rebuild your kernel) |
| 17:45.12 | asperon | stew: ok, i did apt-get source linux-2.6, was that stupid? |
| 17:45.45 | stew | asperon: that is the source as well |
| 17:46.17 | asperon | ok, then i copy my current config to the source dir and do make prepare, or? |
| 17:46.31 | stew | asperon: /msg dpkg kenrel compile |
| 17:46.38 | asperon | thnx |
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| 17:46.52 | stew | asperon: you either want the stuff on the wiki page, or use make-kpkg: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 17:48.06 | asperon | stew: thnx, ill have a look at it |
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| 17:48.52 | g00se | Just tried to conf sound with alsaconf. Didn't work. Sound works with knoppix and i'm wondering if it's down to subtle snd_* module differences |
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| 17:50.09 | Stargazers | Any ideas what can cause the problem that I installed xmms2 but it won't start, but same package worded on another computer? |
| 17:50.20 | Stargazers | ERROR: ../src/plugins/alsa/alsa.c:266: Sample format (16) not available for playback. |
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| 17:50.23 | Stargazers | This kind of error. |
| 17:51.42 | DogWater | Thats kind of wierd, the non-free firmware is available in the OS just not in the installer? |
| 17:51.57 | valdyn | DogWater: yes |
| 17:52.03 | valdyn | DogWater: and no |
| 17:52.28 | valdyn | DogWater: debian is debian main, non-free the evil stepchild |
| 17:52.37 | PeterFA | g00se, try alsamixer |
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| 17:52.49 | PeterFA | g00se, it might be that they are muted. |
| 17:52.54 | valdyn | DogWater: and non-free does not get on netinstall disks |
| 17:52.57 | myeggo | Stargazers: i have the same problem in debian testing |
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| 17:53.05 | myeggo | for some reason, faster reboot it works again |
| 17:53.08 | PeterFA | g00se, also, maybe your sound devices have different names, which can happen all too easily. |
| 17:53.08 | DogWater | right, lenny wouldn't net install on my machine because it said I needed a non-free firmware for my nic, so I rolled the firmware into the initrd.gz for the installer, but after it installed the network still works, and i didnt have to install any non-free packages |
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| 17:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | asperon, the problem with using apt-get source linux-2.6 is that it compiles several kernels for your platform ... which takes bloody ages |
| 17:53.27 | DogWater | So... uh |
| 17:53.36 | valdyn | DogWater: because the initrd did not change yet |
| 17:53.57 | valdyn | DogWater: this is no good, youll be fucked on the next kernel upgrade |
| 17:54.06 | asperon | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, on the other i dont want to compile the kernal, or atleast not right now, just want to get this module to compile |
| 17:54.07 | valdyn | DogWater: so better install that non-free package |
| 17:54.16 | DogWater | valdyn so should i just have it install the non-free pkg in the preseed? |
| 17:54.22 | asperon | CutMeOwnThroat: so i should get the kernel-source package instead? |
| 17:54.26 | valdyn | DogWater: just install it now |
| 17:54.26 | Stargazers | myeggo: Something is wrong, because I installed that whole same shebang yesterday to may laptop in Debian Lenny and in there it worked :D |
| 17:54.29 | valdyn | DogWater: thats enough |
| 17:54.56 | DogWater | right, but our actual installs are all unattended, so in future installs i should have it install the pkg? |
| 17:54.59 | valdyn | DogWater: err, you were talking about unattended installs.. |
| 17:55.05 | g00se | PeterFA: It's not the mixer levels i don't think. Set them same as in knoppix |
| 17:55.10 | valdyn | DogWater: right, so preseed then ( which i know nothing about ) |
| 17:55.56 | g00se | PeterFA: As for your other point - not too clear what you mean. |
| 17:55.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | asperon, hah... I was just explaining the difference of your method to what stew told you - but you should have said that first.... /msg dpkg m-a and see if your module can be compiled this way |
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| 17:56.55 | PeterFA | g00se, from distro to distro, things can be renamed... and occassionally a malconfiguration occurs. Do you have more than 1 card? |
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| 17:57.53 | g00se | PeterFA: Don't think so. alsaconf detects one and then seems to name some sort of default |
| 17:57.58 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: i pointed him at instructions which would not build multiple kernels for his platform |
| 17:58.08 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: see /msg dpkg kernel compile |
| 17:58.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... rule #1 nobody ever tells what the real problem is, instead they ask a question on part of what they think is the solution (which it often isnt) |
| 17:58.22 | asperon | CutMeOwnThroat: aha, ill try that then, thnx |
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| 17:59.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, yes... "explainig the *difference* of your method to what stew told " - I never said you didn't - was just trying to clarify why apt-get source is no good |
| 17:59.49 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: why is apt-get source linux-2.6 no good? |
| 18:00.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and your suggestion better to compile a kernel) - but turns out he didn't want to compile one anyway |
| 18:00.08 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: he must compile one |
| 18:00.17 | Sazpaimon | is there any way to automatically reboot a different kernel if a root hard drive cannot be found |
| 18:00.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, well, apt-get -b source linux-2.6 isn't... |
| 18:00.36 | Sazpaimon | i know you can set fallback entires in grub in case of a kernel panic |
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| 18:00.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, ok - obviously I missed some part from further up then and should have just shut up... doing it now :) |
| 18:00.53 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: right, but nobody was talkoing about apt-get -b source, he had already run apt-get source, i'm telling him how he can use that source to comile a kernel |
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| 18:00.53 | Sazpaimon | but what about other cases |
| 18:01.33 | Denis1 | ÒÕÄÄÝ |
| 18:01.37 | Denis1 | hello |
| 18:02.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | äåéþü hello |
| 18:02.29 | Denis1 | how can i change fstab? |
| 18:02.35 | PeterFA | Denis1, vim /etc/fstab |
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| 18:03.40 | Spec | /dev/vcs# gives you the output of your ttys....is there an equivalent which will give me the output of pts/#s? |
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| 18:04.32 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
| 18:04.38 | HardDisk_WP | anyone has experience with network bridging? |
| 18:04.39 | Denis1 | how can i add a new paragraph in vim? |
| 18:04.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | or just do find "/dev |grep pts" :) |
| 18:04.59 | HardDisk_WP | OpenVPNs bridge-start script breaks stuff here... |
| 18:05.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, #networking, probably :-P |
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| 18:05.45 | Spec | CutMeOwnThroat: catting that dev doesn't do the same as catting /dev/vcs# |
| 18:06.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought you just wanted to find them |
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| 18:06.57 | g00se | PeterFA: Could you cast your eye briefly over these module differnces to see if they could be significant? http://pastebin.com/f3a3ecca5 |
| 18:07.22 | PeterFA | g00se, I don't know the modules by name, sorry. |
| 18:07.23 | avu | freezee, don't send me private messages please |
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| 18:07.37 | avu | freezee, if you have a debian related question, ask it in here |
| 18:07.37 | PeterFA | g00se, and it's only so good because modules can be built in. |
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| 18:09.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 18:10.08 | g00se | PeterFA: Ok thanks |
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| 18:12.04 | JyZyXEL | jesus fucking christ im gonna kill the one who made the network-manager package |
| 18:12.08 | JyZyXEL | Removing network-manager ... |
| 18:12.09 | JyZyXEL | Stopping network connection manager: NetworkManager |
| 18:12.21 | JyZyXEL | if your connected thru SSH your FUCKED |
| 18:12.49 | avu | JyZyXEL, well, wenn you remove a daemon it's stopped in the process, what else would you expect? |
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| 18:13.07 | JyZyXEL | i don't expect the internet connections to get cut |
| 18:13.10 | JyZyXEL | thats rediculous |
| 18:13.25 | pixelmonkey | when apt-get builddep <package> reports back, "E: Build-dependencies for evolution could not be satisfied.", how can i debug that situation? |
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| 18:13.37 | Chousuke | well, it is the daemon that manages your internet connection :P |
| 18:13.45 | avu | well, then you have to configure them properly using interfaces(5) and ifupdown so they're not managed by a daemon that you're about to rmeove from the system |
| 18:14.21 | JyZyXEL | god damn it now i need to make someone go access the box locally |
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| 18:15.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | restarting network doesn't cut ssh connections |
| 18:16.05 | nohup_ | good evening |
| 18:16.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder how you managed that :) |
| 18:16.12 | Sazpaimon | so, my sever had linux-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem installed, i ran apt-get install libc6-amd64 linux-image-2.6-amd64 and rebooted, and the server stopped responding, what would cause this? |
| 18:16.19 | nohup_ | apt-get gave me the message that i have some broken packages.... |
| 18:16.21 | JyZyXEL | CutMeOwnThroat it didn't reset |
| 18:16.29 | JyZyXEL | its disconnects |
| 18:16.30 | nohup_ | and it won't install my gnome-control-center |
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| 18:16.35 | JyZyXEL | and this is the second time it happends |
| 18:16.35 | Sazpaimon | could the 32 bit apps have been trying to use the 64 bit libraries? |
| 18:16.42 | nohup_ | problem is i HAVE to get it working soon, since it's my work-comp |
| 18:16.44 | JyZyXEL | the one who made this package is a moron |
| 18:16.50 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, well, removing/stopping nm could bring down the interfaces it managed I guess |
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| 18:16.51 | nohup_ | so $50 for whoever fixes it ;) |
| 18:18.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | avu, seems so - I didn't even know about nm 2 minutes ago, so indulge me :) it's just that all the stuff I did just restarted networking which left all connections alone |
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| 18:18.51 | Stargazers | If someone have problems with xmms2 (like I had) in debian lenny, then for the info: I started xmms2d using "xmms2d -o ao" and after that it worked (many erros but still I was able to play sounds normal way). |
| 18:18.56 | Stargazers | Just for info. |
| 18:19.27 | Stargazers | But now, good night! |
| 18:19.28 | Stargazers | -> |
| 18:19.29 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm a bit fuzzy on the specifics too, I just know it's often used on desktop systems these days, clashes with interfaces(5)/ifupdown and configures network interfaces dynamically with some nice gui and dbus and all that stuff |
| 18:19.40 | nohup_ | pls ppl... i gotto get apt working again... |
| 18:19.46 | nohup_ | i will pay whoever helps me fix this... |
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| 18:20.26 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, so I wouldn't really be surprised if it took down the interfaces it managed on stop/removal because otherwise they's end up in a undefined/unmanaged state |
| 18:20.27 | nohup_ | vmware fucked up my keyboard input, and apt-get won't install my gnome control crap that will reset my keyboard settings (can't use alt-ctrl-shift right now, so i can't even su on the computer, locally) |
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| 18:20.51 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, plus it's really not made to be used on servers anyway, so it wouldn't be as bit of a problem as with other packages |
| 18:20.57 | nohup_ | okay |
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| 18:21.01 | nohup_ | wrong channel i guess |
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| 18:21.21 | Sazpaimon | does anyone have an idea :( |
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| 18:21.29 | myeggo | a dist-upgrade removed compiz and now it is unavailable because libmetacity0 is obsolet or invalid to install |
| 18:21.51 | myeggo | i have installed fusion-icon to switch my window decorator and can see at least the borders |
| 18:22.00 | myeggo | what thing else i can use? |
| 18:22.07 | myeggo | gtk? |
| 18:22.40 | dustybin | i have manually installed a load of cpan perl libraries, how can one make sure these are the fully up-to-date versions from CPAN ? |
| 18:22.58 | jpinx | avu: network-manager is very much a desktop gui package, not to be used on headless servers |
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| 18:23.21 | filip_ | hi :) |
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| 18:24.02 | filip_ | I have a weird problem...: http://pastebin.com/m41c171c4 can I track the reason why these packages are to be removed? |
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| 18:26.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sazpaimon, you don't need libc6-amd64 for a 64bit kernel ... and what happened... obviously something failed during boot and if you can't see the console output nobody can guess what it might be |
| 18:26.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, hope you're glad I'm back :-P |
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| 18:28.31 | Denis1 | i need to mount hda1 with ntfs file system |
| 18:28.31 | Denis1 | what should i append tofstab? |
| 18:28.53 | Maior | man 5 fstab, iirc |
| 18:29.15 | jpinx | Denis1: you can use ntfs-3g if you want write priv |
| 18:29.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Denis1, read-only or read-write access? |
| 18:29.33 | Denis1 | read-write |
| 18:29.37 | Sazpaimon | CutMeOwnThroat, i figured there could at least be a few possibilities |
| 18:29.51 | Sazpaimon | CutMeOwnThroat, should i just try removing libc6-amd64 and booting again |
| 18:30.01 | jpinx | Denis1: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/foo /mnt/bar |
| 18:30.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Denis1, /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 18:30.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and/or look at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 18:30.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sazpaimon, *can* you boot back in? |
| 18:30.48 | dkr | argh. I had a dozen tabs open in gnome-terminal each ssh'd to systems I'm working with. I edited a profile setting to not dynamically set the title and gnome-terminal crashed and I lost all my connections. so much for my experiment with "modern" terminals. I am going back to my xterms |
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| 18:31.08 | Sazpaimon | CutMeOwnThroat, if i boot into linux-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem |
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| 18:31.18 | Sazpaimon | i told the datacenter to boot back into it |
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| 18:31.24 | Sazpaimon | they just got around to it |
| 18:31.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sazpaimon, and no, I just said you don't *need* that for the 64bit kernel - it is (probably) not the problem |
| 18:32.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | they could have told you the error the console showed :) |
| 18:32.23 | Sazpaimon | well, last time i installed just the 64 bit kernel without libc6 it worked fine |
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| 18:32.41 | Sazpaimon | the only thing different i did this time was install libc6-amd64 along with the kernel |
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| 18:32.57 | Mark21 | hello, knows someone the solution for my problem?: someone did reinstall a system running centos 5.x (and lvm on raid1) to debian 5.0 with raid1 (without lvm), now the data from the lvm partitions need to be restored somehow |
| 18:33.10 | Denis1 | how can i get back to terminal screen from the manual? |
| 18:33.23 | aibo | hi, who can tell which is analog to 'sysvinit' on debian? i remember there was an tool based on dialog like sysvinit, but I didn't remember which name it has :( |
| 18:33.28 | gabosse | i don't know how to configure my wifi ipw2200. Can anyone help me? |
| 18:33.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sazpaimon, I don't see how that should make a difference, though |
| 18:34.14 | Sazpaimon | CutMeOwnThroat, me neither, but thats all i did different |
| 18:34.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, this time, it was a different kernel version than when you did it last time |
| 18:34.52 | Sazpaimon | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm using etch |
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| 18:35.16 | Mark21 | Denis1: try 'q' |
| 18:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps your server just doesn't have a 64bit processor? :) |
| 18:35.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | that'd do it for sure |
| 18:36.29 | gabosse | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.30 | gabosse | ipw2200 123560 0 |
| 18:36.30 | gabosse | ieee80211 27048 1 ipw2200 |
| 18:36.30 | gabosse | firmware_class 6816 1 ipw2200 |
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| 18:36.45 | ranix | sigh |
| 18:36.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | learning curve |
| 18:37.55 | ranix | !paste |
| 18:37.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 18:38.14 | ranix | factoids save so much damn time |
| 18:38.22 | ranix | I wish I could use them in tech support conversations on the phone |
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| 18:38.39 | ranix | "phone, tell this idiot -about ask" |
| 18:38.40 | Sazpaimon | CutMeOwnThroat, im pretty sure dual core xeon is 64 bit |
| 18:38.53 | Sazpaimon | actually, im pretty sure >1 core anything is 64 bit |
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| 18:39.25 | ranix | oldest dual core xeon is conroe core iirc |
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| 18:39.29 | ranix | which is 64 bits |
| 18:39.45 | Maior | Sazpaimon: Niagara? |
| 18:39.46 | Maior | ;) |
| 18:39.57 | Sazpaimon | CutMeOwnThroat, not to mention, this is the same machine i sucessfully installed the 64 bit kernel on, just fine |
| 18:40.14 | Sazpaimon | this time all i did different was apt-get install libc6-amd64 with it |
| 18:40.52 | Denis1 | what does it mean, "mount point does not exist"? |
| 18:40.52 | Denis1 | how can i create mount point? |
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| 18:41.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | mkdir /path/to/your/mountpoint |
| 18:41.14 | jpinx | Denis1: sudo mkdir /mount/point |
| 18:41.19 | WormFood | Denis1, mkdir <some name> |
| 18:41.29 | Denis1 | thanks |
| 18:41.30 | Sazpaimon | and hardware-wise, the only thing different about the server is it has a second (empty, non-partitioned) hard drive |
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| 18:42.26 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here who is fit in network bridging stuff? |
| 18:42.30 | jpinx | Denis1: be aware of whether you create the mount point as root or as user - there are implications |
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| 18:44.16 | Sazpaimon | if i put the i686 kernel entry has a fallback entry in grub, would that help rule out kernel panic? |
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| 18:45.42 | patrikf | Sazpaimon: I think that only works if GRUB fails to load the kernel |
| 18:45.51 | patrikf | i.e. the image is missing or something |
| 18:46.43 | Sazpaimon | patrikf, ok, what about appending panic=15 |
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| 18:47.09 | Sazpaimon | (to the kernel line, that is) |
| 18:47.22 | patrikf | Sazpaimon: I don't know about that switch, and I'm too lazy to look it up in the kernel docs ;-) |
| 18:47.27 | patrikf | I'd just try it with a wrong root= argument |
| 18:47.34 | patrikf | that'll give you a panic for sure |
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| 18:47.55 | Sazpaimon | patrikf, but i dont *want* a kernel panic |
| 18:48.08 | Sazpaimon | i just want to figure out what is causing my server to not boot when i install a 64 bit kernel |
| 18:48.17 | patrikf | ah :) |
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| 18:48.49 | patrikf | well, my guess is that panic= will just keep the machine rebooting |
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| 18:50.42 | Sazpaimon | patrikf, and it would boot the fallback entry i believe |
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| 18:50.44 | Sazpaimon | im not sure |
| 18:51.09 | patrikf | Sazpaimon: as I said, best try it out, if not on the server, why not on a local machine |
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| 18:52.19 | Sazpaimon | patrikf, because i have no local machine with the same hardware config |
| 18:52.43 | dkr | hrm, when I click "Send a report that this bug log contains spam." the verify link says "Yes, report bug 413071 as spam". the bug itself isn't spam, though. just some replies to it |
| 18:52.43 | patrikf | and why would that matter to grub's fallback or the kernel's panic= behaviour? |
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| 18:53.04 | patrikf | dkr: yes, it's a known bug in the frontend |
| 18:53.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sazpaimon, how would it know that the previous boot failed and go to the fall-back entry? |
| 18:53.19 | patrikf | dkr: it should be "... that this bug log *contains* spam" |
| 18:53.52 | dkr | patrikf: thanks for the verification. does seem like typo, but wanted to be sure I wasn't mis-reporting stuff. :) |
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| 18:54.07 | Sazpaimon | CutMeOwnThroat, good question, can i make grub make the next entry the default after booting the first |
| 18:54.23 | Sazpaimon | like, if i have default 0, can it become default 1 after entry 0 runs? |
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| 18:54.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think so - that would mean writing to disk during boot |
| 18:54.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I admit blissful ignorance |
| 18:55.02 | Sazpaimon | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
| 18:55.06 | Sazpaimon | this makes me believe i can |
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| 18:55.23 | Sazpaimon | xNote that `default saved' (see default), `fallback 1 2' and `savedefault fallback' are used. GRUB will boot a saved entry by default and save a fallback entry as next boot entry with this configuration. |
| 18:55.58 | patrikf | Sazpaimon: and why exactly don't you try it then? |
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| 18:56.10 | patrikf | as I said, hardware details won't matter for the grand picture |
| 18:56.24 | shaft0 | Is it possible to install Windows Server as a VM using Xen CLI? |
| 18:56.28 | Sazpaimon | i have no machines on hand |
| 18:56.47 | eth01 | shaft0: probably not |
| 18:56.51 | eth01 | imho |
| 18:57.40 | shaft0 | That's sort of what I figured, but figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. |
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| 18:58.14 | shaft0 | hhjjbb: 1 second |
| 18:58.28 | DogWater | Enh, so i seemed to have gotten this BNX2 thing to work in lenny, anyone know how I can get it to work in Etch? |
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| 18:59.11 | DogWater | shaft0: you could capture an image of the windows install right before the machine boots into the 'blue screen install mode (if 2003) and then just run the VM using that image. |
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| 19:00.09 | shaft0 | DogWater: I found this guide that I might use: http://mediakey.dk/~cc/howto-install-windows-xp-vista-on-xen/ |
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| 19:00.39 | shaft0 | I was searching up "Install server 2003 as a vm in debian" and was getting crap results, but "xen server 2003 cli" gave me that. |
| 19:00.43 | Twixboy_ | http://www.meine-exschlampe.com/?ID=273014 |
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| 19:00.49 | Twixboy_ | http://www.meine-exschlampe.com/?ID=273014 |
| 19:00.50 | Twixboy_ | http://www.meine-exschlampe.com/?ID=273014 |
| 19:00.50 | hoxu | !ops Twixboy_ spamming |
| 19:00.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: Twixboy_ spamming |
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| 19:01.20 | DogWater | shaft0: what we do is just have an image that is basically the install |
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| 19:01.44 | shaft0 | ah |
| 19:01.50 | Lns | Hey all, when do you know when to reboot a debian server (no X) after a dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:02.20 | dondelelcaro | Lns: you only need to if the kernel has been upgraded; and then you just wait for the upgrade to finish, and then you can reboot. |
| 19:02.27 | jpinx | Lns: after aptitude give no unresolved dependencies |
| 19:02.44 | Lns | Is there no equiv. to a /var/run/reboot_required in debian? |
| 19:03.00 | dondelelcaro | Lns: nope, because it's almost never required |
| 19:03.01 | stew | Lns: what does /var/run/reboot_required do? |
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| 19:03.20 | jpinx | sounds like something out of windows ;) |
| 19:03.29 | Lns | I ask because today I upgarded an Ubuntu server (only update was kerberos lib) but it wanted me to reboot. I just upgraded SSL on by lenny box and have no idea. |
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| 19:03.41 | Lns | stew: it's a placeholder file for update-manager |
| 19:04.02 | Lns | tells you if you should reboot after an update |
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| 19:04.33 | stew | Lns: reboot if you upgrade your kernel |
| 19:04.38 | Lns | There are definitely more things than the kernel alone that require a reboot |
| 19:04.43 | stew | Lns: like what? |
| 19:04.46 | dondelelcaro | Lns: yeah, the only reason to reboot is if you upgrade the kernel. Otherwise it won't matter. [And you don't *have* to reboot; you just need to to get a new kernel.] |
| 19:05.01 | Lns | stew: like the kerberos lib i said |
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| 19:05.10 | Lns | unless ubuntu's just being "safe" |
| 19:05.15 | dondelelcaro | Lns: uh... you certainly don't need to reboot to upgrade kerberos libraries |
| 19:05.30 | dondelelcaro | Lns: you may need to restart a bunch of services, but that's nothing new |
| 19:05.37 | stew | Lns: you just need to restart the programs which were using the old kerberos lib |
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| 19:05.49 | jpinx | Lns - this is a debian support channel ;) |
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| 19:06.13 | stew | jpinx: so he's in the right place |
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| 19:07.06 | Lns | dondelelcaro: sure..maybe what i'm asking is, is there any way *for sure* to know which daemons to restart after upgrading libs? Is there no check mechanism in place, or would that be on a per-daemon basis? |
| 19:07.12 | tenemag | Hi, if i run the command 'dpkg -l', how can i show only imput that doesn't begin with "ii"? |
| 19:07.34 | dondelelcaro | Lns: most things that require daemons to restart know what daemons they are and prompt you to restart them (and then restart them) |
| 19:07.35 | Lns | tenemag: grep -v ? |
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| 19:08.10 | tenemag | i'm thinking i would use rep but not sure |
| 19:08.13 | dondelelcaro | Lns: there may be some exceptions, but they generally tend to be things that no one knew about beforehand |
| 19:08.15 | Lns | dondelelcaro: that's true, i forgot debian's default apt verbosity is nicer than ubuntus =p |
| 19:08.15 | tenemag | grep* |
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| 19:08.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lns, guess you can check yourself with apt-cache show rdepends <library package> if you want to make additionally sure |
| 19:08.58 | hjb | hi. is there a tool that i can use to create imap folders via command line? |
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| 19:09.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | although, that might just be what the library package does :) |
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| 19:10.20 | Lns | CutMeOwnThroat: right on. thanks |
| 19:10.27 | tenemag | ah thanks lns |
| 19:10.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | tenemag, dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii |
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| 19:11.16 | dondelelcaro | hjb: you can do so using telnet, and presumably using mutt... im or mail-utils may also have more user friendly tools |
| 19:11.25 | dondelelcaro | hjb: (and someone else here may have a better idea) |
| 19:11.46 | tenemag | ya, it works... was trying to clean up the output of dpkg and forgot what the grep flag was |
| 19:12.03 | hjb | dondelelcaro ok, i'll check im and mail-utils. needs something to put into a script |
| 19:12.25 | dondelelcaro | hjb: if you're server-side, it's pretty trivial, of course. |
| 19:12.41 | hjb | here's what i want to do: auto archiving of old mail into fiolders like /year/month on my imap server |
| 19:12.59 | hjb | dondelelcaro hmm, i'm actually on server-side, yes. |
| 19:13.03 | dondelelcaro | hjb: oh. I actually suggest that you use archivemail and make mboxes |
| 19:13.23 | hjb | dondelelcaro archivemail is what i want to use, actually |
| 19:13.23 | dondelelcaro | hjb: assuming your imap server is smart and can handle mboxes mixed with maildirs |
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| 19:13.43 | hjb | dondelelcaro don't know. i'm using dovecot. is is that smart? |
| 19:14.03 | dondelelcaro | hjb: yeah, you then just go mkdir -p $YEAR/; ln $YEAR/$MONTH .$YEAR.$MONTH -s; or whatever is cleaver |
| 19:14.07 | dondelelcaro | s/ea/e/ |
| 19:14.18 | dondelelcaro | hjb: yeah, it's pretty smart. |
| 19:14.49 | dondelelcaro | (smart enough, anyway, to know how to tell the difference between an mbox and a maildir) |
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| 19:15.26 | dondelelcaro | hjb: personally, I don't have my archives accessible via imap; I just rsync them around... but there's no reason why you couldn't make them accessible. |
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| 19:17.03 | michael117 | I've installed the 2.6.26 kernel image in the repository and even tried using the update-grub command myself, but I still am booting to my old kernel |
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| 19:17.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | tenemag, you don't need a flag :-P grep ^[^i] |
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| 19:18.24 | hjb | dondelelcaro huh, that sounds easy. thanks. i'll go and try |
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| 19:19.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | michael117, not on the boot prompt? |
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| 19:20.28 | michael117 | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, on the grub menu during boot |
| 19:20.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, you can edit menu.lst in ways that'll make update-grub fail |
| 19:20.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's there? |
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| 19:20.59 | michael117 | CutMeOwnThroat: and uname -a shows the old kernel as well |
| 19:21.44 | michael117 | Linux server 2.6.17-2-486 #1 Wed Sep 13 15:56:30 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:21.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what does update-grub say when you run it? |
| 19:22.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2.6.17-486?! wtf |
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| 19:22.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's pre-etch |
| 19:22.36 | michael117 | exactly |
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| 19:22.41 | michael117 | I need to upgrade this bitch |
| 19:22.44 | michael117 | Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-486 |
| 19:22.44 | michael117 | Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done |
| 19:22.55 | michael117 | those are the last two lines |
| 19:22.58 | michael117 | I don't want to flood |
| 19:23.49 | jelly-home | michael117: which cpu do you have? |
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| 19:25.47 | michael117 | jelly-home: Uhh... old x86 AMD Athlon 700mhz |
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| 19:26.23 | michael117 | here's my menu.lst from /boot/grub/menu.lst: http://pastebin.com/m72961c9d |
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| 19:27.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | michael117, then you should use a -686 image |
| 19:27.53 | jelly-home | michael117: you want a -686 kernel instead of -486, then |
| 19:28.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
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| 19:30.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks ok to me |
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| 19:30.42 | michael117 | CutMeOwnThroat: should I just use the linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 package in the default repo? |
| 19:30.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 19:30.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | except... |
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| 19:32.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | # groot=(hd0,5) ?? |
| 19:33.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess you're writing the bootsector to something that is never read during bootup |
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| 19:35.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should probably read groot=(hd0,0) ... mmm not so sure - but some stanza must determine where grub writes to |
| 19:35.38 | Sazpaimon | well,. i set the fallback entry in grub |
| 19:35.47 | Sazpaimon | and a panic line for the kernel |
| 19:35.56 | Sazpaimon | and rebooted, and its STILL not working |
| 19:36.10 | Sazpaimon | so i dont know wtf |
| 19:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I told you there is no way for grub to know the last kernel failed with a panic |
| 19:36.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | although,... |
| 19:36.34 | Sazpaimon | CutMeOwnThroat, did you read the grub manual |
| 19:37.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can boot into a specific kernel with grub-reboot once |
| 19:37.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it'll revert afterwards |
| 19:37.26 | Sazpaimon | It is noteworthy that GRUB uses fallback entries both when GRUB itself fails in booting an entry and when `A' or `B' fails in starting up your system. So this solution ensures that your system is started even if GRUB cannot find your kernel or if your kernel panics. |
| 19:37.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | or so I think to remember |
| 19:37.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, nice |
| 19:38.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah... so there is an option to write during boot |
| 19:39.12 | Sazpaimon | so if the server STILL isnt responding, i dont know what the hell is wrong |
| 19:39.25 | Sazpaimon | its not booting back into the fallback entry |
| 19:39.29 | Sazpaimon | its not doing anything |
| 19:39.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | grub itself stops? |
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| 19:39.51 | Sazpaimon | how am i supposed to know |
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| 19:40.00 | Sazpaimon | i reboot, it stops responding to ping |
| 19:40.02 | Sazpaimon | its all i know |
| 19:40.34 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: do you have a serial console? |
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| 19:40.51 | Sazpaimon | no |
| 19:40.56 | tenemag | question... how can i "pull" a file using Rsync? |
| 19:40.56 | Sazpaimon | if i did i wouldnt be pissed right now |
| 19:41.02 | tenemag | rather than "push" file |
| 19:41.06 | dondelelcaro | (if you don't, then there's not much that can be done. the problem could be almost anything) |
| 19:41.27 | dondelelcaro | tenemag: same way; just remote local instead of local remote. |
| 19:41.43 | Sazpaimon | i dont see how it can be anything |
| 19:42.03 | tenemag | ah aight... so flip the source and destinatino? |
| 19:42.07 | tenemag | destination* |
| 19:42.40 | RichiH | Sazpaimon: broken ram, broken cpu, broken bios, broken bios chip, power supply dead, etc |
| 19:42.40 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: if you can't ping the box either 1) box failed utterly, 2) kernel deadlock 3) bad network driver 4) network interface name changed 5) machine didn't come up at all, etc. |
| 19:43.13 | Sazpaimon | oh yes, rebooting did all that |
| 19:43.21 | Sazpaimon | i added panic=5 to my kernel entry, made default "default saved" added my fallback entry, added default fallback to the amd64 entry |
| 19:43.27 | Sazpaimon | as far as i know i covered everything |
| 19:43.28 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: you can try to have someone reboot using an older, known good kernel, etc. |
| 19:43.40 | tenemag | Sazpaimon: broken ram? cpu? psu dead? what happened? |
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| 19:44.09 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: well, clearly something is wrong. Without a remote serial console, there's really no way to know. Someone has to go look at the machine and see what happened. |
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| 19:44.43 | dondelelcaro | (this is why I generally refuse to administrate machines which don't have remote serial consoles and remote restart) |
| 19:45.00 | Sazpaimon | well now i need to wait ANOTHER 6 hours |
| 19:45.05 | Sazpaimon | at LEAST |
| 19:45.08 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
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| 19:45.58 | dondelelcaro | in all seriousness, if the machine being up is that important, you really need to get a serial console on it |
| 19:46.37 | dondelelcaro | all we can do without it is give you a few hundred possibilities from the likely to the bizare |
| 19:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do you actually need a 64 bit kernel now? |
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| 19:47.18 | Nebukadneza | anyone running fglrx against 2.6.29? i've got problems compiling it (m-a a-i), i always get: |
| 19:47.21 | Nebukadneza | firegl_public.c: In function âKCL_GetEffectiveUidâ: firegl_public.c:1453: error: âstruct task_structâ has no member name âeuidâ |
| 19:47.25 | Nebukadneza | any ideas? :/ |
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| 19:48.27 | garo | Can someone that isn't connected to trough a belgian isp tell me what you see at https://85.158.108.25 ? (https, not http) |
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| 19:48.45 | ranix | dondelelcaro: how would you power cycle machines remotely? |
| 19:49.08 | dondelelcaro | ranix: with ilo or remote-controlled outlets or similar |
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| 19:49.33 | rki | garo, prompt to accept cert; accepted it. |
| 19:49.35 | rki | The requested URL / was not found on this server. |
| 19:49.36 | rki | Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) PHP/5.2.6-1+lenny2 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ssl/2.2.9 OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at 85.158.108.25 Port 443 |
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| 19:49.39 | dondelelcaro | ranix: most enterprise-level hardware (or hosting environments) has the stuff in place to do it |
| 19:50.07 | garo | rki: thanks ! |
| 19:50.23 | ranix | dondelelcaro: your statement about serial consoles gave me pause, I realize I cannot handle/diagnose potential hardware failure or boot failure remotely |
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| 19:50.54 | ranix | I am usually here, but it costs little/nothing to fix |
| 19:51.01 | garo | was there anything mentioned about 'astaro' or 'passtrough.fw-notify.net' ? |
| 19:51.33 | dondelelcaro | ranix: yeah. Assuming you have more than one machine in a location, it's pretty easy to set up too (and probably costs no more than $10 per machine) |
| 19:52.05 | ranix | dondelelcaro: yeah, thanks for the idea |
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| 19:52.36 | dondelelcaro | is a big fan of using USB serial adapters and thin nullmodem adapters |
| 19:52.46 | ranix | psh who needs that |
| 19:52.52 | ranix | my machines have 2 serial ports each |
| 19:53.16 | dondelelcaro | heh; quite a few of mine don't |
| 19:53.28 | ranix | I had a lot of leeway when building |
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| 19:53.50 | ranix | got to choose my own backup solution, motherboard, etc. |
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| 19:54.14 | dondelelcaro | yeah; oddly enough, though, the usb serial+tiny nullmodem often end up being cheaper than a real null modem cable |
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| 19:54.56 | ranix | you can make a null modem cable out of a centronix / lpt cable by swapping two wires =\ |
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| 19:55.22 | ranix | or, at least you could back in the days of 25 pin serial |
| 19:55.22 | dondelelcaro | ranix: yeah... but my time is worth more than the cost of the cable. ;-) |
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| 19:55.28 | holyduck_ | my debian install seems to be leaking an ongodly amount of memory on file writes, withour reporting where its used, then when its all gone the entire thing crashes :P |
| 19:55.28 | holyduck_ | this happens on sid with both 2.6.26 and 2.6.29 kernel :P |
| 19:55.28 | holyduck_ | anyone got a clue why? |
| 19:55.31 | ranix | I wish mine was! |
| 19:55.41 | ranix | I gotta get a new job or a raise :( |
| 19:55.47 | ranix | should head out west or something |
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| 19:56.19 | dondelelcaro | holyduck_: uh... how are you measuring the memory leakage? |
| 19:56.20 | ranix | holyduck_: what filesystem are you using? |
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| 19:56.28 | holyduck_ | ranix, xfs in a lvm :P |
| 19:57.04 | holyduck_ | dondelelcaro, run free -m before i write files then after :P |
| 19:57.04 | holyduck_ | and then the fact that when it hits zero my computer hangs |
| 19:57.28 | ranix | how are you writing files? |
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| 19:57.30 | ranix | touch |
| 19:57.37 | ranix | or are we talking files with content |
| 19:57.47 | holyduck_ | copy |
| 19:57.52 | holyduck_ | a bunch of .tars |
| 19:57.55 | holyduck_ | http://pastebin.ca/1386387 |
| 19:58.02 | holyduck_ | 1,4gb of archives |
| 19:58.13 | holyduck_ | it happens on any files though |
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| 19:58.40 | holyduck_ | it writes it all to the cache apparently |
| 19:58.50 | holyduck_ | but, i still hang when it hits 0 :P |
| 19:58.57 | ranix | holyduck_: what command are you using to copy files, exactly? |
| 19:59.04 | holyduck_ | thunar currently |
| 19:59.04 | ranix | cp * ../ ? |
| 19:59.07 | holyduck_ | i could try cp i guess |
| 19:59.18 | ranix | holyduck_: lol yes please try CP and report your results |
| 19:59.22 | holyduck_ | ranix, but it also happens on writing files with iceweasel |
| 19:59.26 | holyduck_ | and with xchat |
| 19:59.38 | ranix | let me know what cp does and we'll continue to diagnose |
| 19:59.41 | stew | holyduck_: both of those show lots and lots of free memory |
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| 20:00.18 | holyduck_ | stew, well yes :P |
| 20:00.23 | jpinx | swap is totally unused |
| 20:00.26 | holyduck_ | jpinx, i know |
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| 20:00.53 | holyduck_ | ranix, it happens on cp too, it all goes to cache :P |
| 20:01.03 | holyduck_ | but it DIDNT lock up my box |
| 20:01.11 | holyduck_ | tries to fire up dcc and see if that does it |
| 20:01.27 | ranix | free doesn't report what you think it reports I think |
| 20:01.35 | stew | holyduck_: so you are worried about the free memory going from 3800->3716? |
| 20:01.40 | ranix | can you describe "lock up my box" |
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| 20:01.50 | holyduck_ | ranix, nothing gets through :P |
| 20:02.03 | holyduck_ | stew, no :P |
| 20:02.09 | holyduck_ | the free memory went from 3800-600 :P |
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| 20:02.19 | ranix | holyduck_: can you kill X with ctrl+alt+backspace when it is frozen |
| 20:02.24 | holyduck_ | ranix, not x |
| 20:02.26 | ranix | holyduck_: you're reading free wrong |
| 20:02.32 | holyduck_ | ranix, i realized it :P |
| 20:02.40 | stew | holyduck_: no, you just filled your disk cache with unused memory, which is normal |
| 20:02.48 | holyduck_ | stew, and then it crashes |
| 20:02.56 | holyduck_ | wich isnt |
| 20:03.08 | ranix | holyduck_: what do you mean "not x" |
| 20:03.10 | stew | holyduck_: what you are showing us isn't a memory leak, it is normal disk caching |
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| 20:03.18 | holyduck_ | ranix, EVERYTHING locks up ;P |
| 20:03.22 | holyduck_ | keyboard input doesnt work |
| 20:03.30 | holyduck_ | sound repeats itself |
| 20:03.32 | ranix | you're not able to ctrl alt backspace? |
| 20:03.35 | stew | holyduck_: i'd recommend running memtest86, you probably have a hardware problem |
| 20:03.35 | holyduck_ | stew, i realized tha |
| 20:03.39 | holyduck_ | ranix, yes :P |
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| 20:03.45 | jpinx | holyduck_: what does df -h say? |
| 20:03.47 | holyduck_ | stew, well it DOESNt happen on 2.6.26 apparently :P |
| 20:04.03 | stew | holyduck_: what doesn't? |
| 20:04.16 | holyduck_ | stew, it locking up :P |
| 20:04.18 | asperon | can somebody tell me, in the lib/modules/`uname -r`/ dir, do you have a build symlink? a source symlink? if so, what do they point at? |
| 20:04.22 | jpinx | you might be running out of disc space |
| 20:04.24 | ranix | cp doesn't cause the problem but thunar and firefox do huh |
| 20:04.27 | stew | holyduck_: have you run memtest? |
| 20:04.27 | holyduck_ | jpinx, am not :P |
| 20:04.45 | holyduck_ | jpinx, i got 1.1 tb free currently |
| 20:04.46 | holyduck_ | on the disk |
| 20:04.51 | jpinx | ok |
| 20:05.04 | ranix | holyduck_: pastebin df -h;cat /proc/meminfo ? |
| 20:05.15 | stew | asperon: build typically points to the kernel headers. source, if present, should point to the configured sources |
| 20:05.17 | holyduck_ | ranix, well they DIDNT on 2.6.26 somehow :P |
| 20:05.25 | holyduck_ | let me get back to 2.6.29 and try again |
| 20:05.32 | asperon | stew: thats why it fails then |
| 20:05.34 | asperon | thnx |
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| 20:05.50 | stew | asperon: why? what do you have there now? |
| 20:06.07 | asperon | i change the build to point to the src dir |
| 20:06.18 | holyduck_ | ranix, i just did the thing that made it lock up on 2.6.29 on my 2.6.26 setup, and nothing bad happened :P |
| 20:06.22 | stew | that's probably correct |
| 20:06.28 | holyduck_ | as in rebooted with the old kernel |
| 20:06.33 | stew | holyduck_: that doesn't mean much |
| 20:06.48 | stew | holyduck_: you should run memtest86+ |
| 20:07.10 | holyduck_ | stew, but why would it lock on 2.6.29 but not 2.6.26? |
| 20:07.27 | stew | holyduck_: tell me why it locks up in 2.6.29 |
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| 20:07.56 | holyduck_ | stew, fills up the memory with filesystem cache. then everything locks, and nothing i can do fixes it :P |
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| 20:08.01 | holyduck_ | cept the power button |
| 20:08.10 | stew | holyduck_: both fill up the memory with filesystem cache |
| 20:08.14 | holyduck_ | stew, yes |
| 20:08.19 | stew | holyduck_: so that's not why |
| 20:08.19 | holyduck_ | but it doesnt crash on 2.6.27 |
| 20:08.22 | holyduck_ | *2.6.26 |
| 20:08.28 | stew | holyduck_: and if we don't know why, then i can't tell you why 2.6.26 doesn't |
| 20:08.46 | holyduck_ | stew, so obviously SOMETHING changed in 2.6.29, or im just being a total pillock, |
| 20:08.56 | stew | holyduck_: yeah, lots of stuff changed |
| 20:08.59 | ranix | lol your kernel changed |
| 20:09.05 | stew | holyduck_: that doesan't mean that 2.6.29 is buggy |
| 20:09.33 | holyduck_ | stew, well true :P |
| 20:09.39 | holyduck_ | i just find it weird that it happens on one but not the other |
| 20:09.43 | stew | holyduck_: if your hardware is buggy, the fact that 2.6.29 crashes and 2.6.26 doesn't mean that 2.6.29 is buggy, it means that 2.6.29 is different |
| 20:09.55 | simonrvn | um, isn't that the usual thing that happens with the vm sub-system? ;) (cache fill) |
| 20:10.19 | simonrvn | .29 is probably doing something right |
| 20:10.19 | simonrvn | and .26 didn't |
| 20:10.54 | holyduck_ | hmm, /me does a reboot |
| 20:11.09 | holyduck_ | i cant live with 2.6.26, it doesnt have working audio on my box, and i dont feel like compiling a new alsa |
| 20:11.23 | holyduck_ | sees if he cocked up somewhere |
| 20:11.28 | holyduck_ | *goes to see |
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| 20:12.03 | stew | holyduck: why not see if you can fix this by replacing a faulty memory module with a warranty replacement memory module? |
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| 20:16.35 | holyduck | stew, well its not the memory i think :P |
| 20:16.43 | holyduck | i found out what triggers it |
| 20:16.49 | stew | holyduck: what makes you think it isn't the memeory? |
| 20:16.53 | holyduck | 1 write at the same time goes fine :P |
| 20:16.57 | holyduck | 2 writes at the same time goes fine |
| 20:16.59 | holyduck | but 3 writes at the same time |
| 20:17.01 | holyduck | and it locks |
| 20:17.05 | holyduck | if all the memory is used by the cache |
| 20:17.35 | holyduck | 3 writes to the same disk at the same time that is |
| 20:17.42 | stew | holyduck: what makes you think it isn't the memeory? |
| 20:17.53 | holyduck | i did a memtest when i bought em |
| 20:18.01 | holyduck | didnt turn up anything then |
| 20:18.10 | holyduck | and really, why would it work perfectly fine with 2 writes, but crash on 3? |
| 20:18.18 | stew | i don't konw |
| 20:18.31 | stew | what would make it crash on your machine but not on others? |
| 20:19.00 | holyduck | most people dont run 3-4 writes to a 3tb xfs filesystem, at the same time |
| 20:19.08 | stew | correct |
| 20:19.34 | stew | anyway, if i can't convince you to test your hardware, i guess I can't |
| 20:19.39 | mrglinux | if I want move from ubuntu to debian server is it possible to copy /etc and all setting and another thing be same on new debian ? |
| 20:19.45 | holyduck | stew, i'll run a memtest when i sleep |
| 20:19.48 | holyduck | but i really dont think thats it |
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| 20:20.44 | holyduck | stew, i mean, i found it happens on 2.6.28 aswell, and it actually probaly does on 2.6.26, and i've been running this setup for months, without noticing it, because i never USUALLY do multiple simultanious writes |
| 20:20.58 | mrglinux | ? |
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| 20:24.00 | jpinx | mrglinux: you could make a backup of your existing /etc /home /var ... and some of it might well apply in Debian |
| 20:24.42 | mrglinux | jpinx: /etc /home /var is enough ? |
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| 20:25.39 | holyduck | stew, next clue, DOESNT happen on ext3 :P |
| 20:25.51 | holyduck | hmm wait, thats actually a xfs volume.. |
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| 20:26.12 | stew | holyduck: previous clue, it DOESNT happen on other people's hardware |
| 20:26.13 | holyduck | ok then, it DOESNT happen on a non multi terrabyte xfs partition :P |
| 20:26.16 | holyduck | stew, :P |
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| 20:27.45 | holyduck | but really, why does it only happen on THAT partition? |
| 20:27.45 | holyduck | :P |
| 20:27.45 | holyduck | might have to do a fsck i guess |
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| 20:29.38 | holyduck | well then, i'll do a memtest while i sleep, and a fsck when i wake up again |
| 20:30.18 | Miouge | arf sshmenu says : /usr/bin/ruby: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/i486-linux/gtk2.so: undefined symbol: gtk_file_system_error_quark my ruby-gtk package is broken ? |
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| 20:33.36 | jpinx | mrglinux: you could back up your whole system if you have space for it. You never know what might be useful. |
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| 20:35.10 | jessie_ | mrglinux: for the most part, you'll be fine |
| 20:35.15 | jessie_ | but, as jpinx said, do a backup |
| 20:35.22 | mrglinux | ok |
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| 20:47.27 | phobik | any pros with simple-cdd know if you need to do something special to get your profile.postinst to work on a usb fob installer |
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| 20:54.00 | flixil | hi |
| 20:55.34 | kriebz | hi |
| 20:56.14 | flixil | how can I change default browser from konqueror to iceweasel? |
| 20:57.18 | simonrvn | update-alternatives |
| 20:57.24 | simonrvn | x-www-browser |
| 20:58.44 | flixil | Thanks a lot i figured it out with your help simonrvn |
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| 20:59.08 | flixil | simonrvn, How can i know what default things are? |
| 20:59.46 | simonrvn | update-alternatives --list foo ;) |
| 21:00.17 | flixil | i love you :) |
| 21:00.29 | Gnurdux | in addition to my gnome woes, it seems that the kernel upgrade borked my sound |
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| 21:03.20 | flixil | And maybe last question... what difference is between java-gcj and java-sun? |
| 21:03.43 | flixil | And gij :P |
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| 21:05.12 | patrikf | flixil: one provides a sun java environment, the other one a GCJ one. |
| 21:05.38 | patrikf | GCJ is an open-source attempt at a java JRE/JDK (from GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection) |
| 21:06.39 | patrikf | afaik, gcj is not quite as mature, so you'll usually run into less trouble with the sun variant |
| 21:06.40 | flixil | aptitude show of java-gcj-compat shows as if gcj and gij (unless on my point of view) have little or no difference |
| 21:07.30 | patrikf | flixil: I think (gcj : javac) like (gij : java) |
| 21:07.43 | patrikf | i.e. compiler vs. interpreter |
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| 21:08.29 | flixil | oh :) so one is like jre and the other like jdk :) |
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| 21:09.12 | flixil | Since aptitude I installed the recomendations and I ended with tons of packages that i never use :P |
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| 21:09.53 | patrikf | flixil: well, you can configure aptitude not to (if you don't know this already) |
| 21:10.09 | patrikf | although most of the time the recommends do make sense |
| 21:10.23 | flixil | I know i know... I don't do it any more :) Now I even read before pressing yes |
| 21:11.14 | flixil | Btw, is there a way to configure which application use to open certain files? Was something about mime types i guess |
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| 21:11.36 | flixil | But /etc/mime.types seems too much complicated |
| 21:11.42 | zapster | quick question, if I move my i386 drive to a new amd64 platform, will it still boot, or do I have to install the amd64 distro? |
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| 21:12.18 | flixil | amd64 processors can run i386 kernels |
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| 21:12.29 | zapster | awesome |
| 21:12.42 | zapster | suspected they might, but wasn't finding anything definite on it |
| 21:12.51 | zapster | thank you |
| 21:12.55 | flixil | Well... 64 bits isn't that advanced... |
| 21:12.58 | kriebz | welcome to 5 years ago |
| 21:13.06 | flixil | It's just bigger registers and you can use half the part of it... |
| 21:13.16 | flixil | Most of the time even on 64 bits you don't use all the registers... |
| 21:13.28 | flixil | (Unless you do numeric computation or something alike...) |
| 21:13.37 | zapster | I'll be moving on to the better distro, just didn't want to start too many things at once here.. |
| 21:13.48 | flixil | kriebz, lol |
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| 21:14.39 | zapster | yeah, I've kinda been wondering about that |
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| 21:14.39 | zapster | adoption of 64-bit has been pretty slow it seems |
| 21:14.42 | kriebz | when I went to amd64, I installed Debian on a spare partiton and just mounted /home from before |
| 21:14.51 | kriebz | went on with my life like almost nothing happened |
| 21:15.08 | zapster | didn't have to install a gazillion new packages then? |
| 21:15.12 | flixil | well... I've been using same home for years |
| 21:15.22 | kriebz | Linux on 64-bit isn't really too useful on the desktop... and it's not a smoothe as OSs made for archs that already had 64-bit |
| 21:15.41 | kriebz | Solaris and even Mac OS handle it more seamless-ly |
| 21:15.41 | zapster | hm |
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| 21:15.44 | flixil | zapster, I have a 64 bit machine and I use a 32 bits distro... (too lazy to install a 64 bits one... and years ago when i did i got problems with some apps) |
| 21:16.01 | kriebz | yeah, that's a non-issue now |
| 21:16.03 | kriebz | mostly |
| 21:16.09 | flixil | Not even with flash? |
| 21:16.21 | zapster | maybe I'll set one up in virtualbox or a dual-boot just to experiment with |
| 21:16.27 | flixil | Well... Other problems was the use of wine... and I don't like to do jails and so |
| 21:16.40 | flixil | zapster, the differences are minimal imho |
| 21:16.44 | kriebz | new flash works fine |
| 21:17.04 | zapster | I'm kind of glad to hear that...been awhile since I tackled a new platform |
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| 21:18.03 | codelearner | I need help recuing my debian 5.0 install |
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| 21:18.25 | flixil | codelearner, ask and maybe the starts will shine and will show you the path to follow |
| 21:18.47 | codelearner | I had a 40 GB hd and it became full. |
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| 21:19.17 | flixil | codelearner, try aptitude clean |
| 21:19.21 | dkr | full of what? |
| 21:19.30 | flixil | It deletes old .deb that you may not use |
| 21:19.31 | codelearner | I bought a shiny new 250 GB hd and cloned the image and attached it as master and removed the old one |
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| 21:20.48 | codelearner | it greets me with blank screen while i am still able to boot with old one as master , is there anyway ro use thies new disk as the main disk ? |
| 21:21.27 | codelearner | I use gparted live CD |
| 21:21.38 | codelearner | maybe i am stupid |
| 21:21.42 | flixil | codelearner, Sorry i don't understand what you did. You got a new blank hd |
| 21:21.48 | kriebel | elaborate on "blank screen" |
| 21:21.55 | codelearner | ok |
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| 21:23.13 | kriebel | lol |
| 21:23.24 | codelearner | I booted the gparted live cd and cloned the old files to the new HD , and when i try to boot, I see a blank screen with a blinking cursor in place of the grub menu |
| 21:23.41 | kriebel | did you install grub? |
| 21:24.07 | flixil | On the mbr of the new disk... Is the partition marked as boot? |
| 21:24.41 | codelearner | yeah marked as boot |
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| 21:25.01 | codelearner | reinstalling the grub with debian cd fails with exit code 1. |
| 21:25.30 | kriebel | ick |
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| 21:25.46 | codelearner | ick? |
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| 21:26.27 | flixil | ack |
| 21:26.45 | zapster | this sounds ominous |
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| 21:27.43 | kriebel | try chrooting into the / partition of the new disk |
| 21:27.55 | kriebel | then running grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sda |
| 21:28.03 | kriebel | if sda is the new disk |
| 21:28.04 | solars | hey, does anyone know a standalone gui tool to quickly configure a wifi interface? I don't want to edit the interfaces file each time I'm on a new location.. |
| 21:28.16 | codelearner | ok :) |
| 21:28.17 | cilkay | Hello. I have a Debian on which I'm running Etch. In sources.list, I specified etch explicitly. Is it safe to specify "stable" instead and let apt figure out how to get there from where I am? |
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| 21:28.19 | solars | or textbased, though I doubt this exists |
| 21:28.26 | kriebel | solars: look into network-manager |
| 21:28.32 | cilkay | a debian server, that is |
| 21:28.35 | kriebel | solars: or I've used wifi-radar with some success |
| 21:28.51 | solars | kriebel, thank you |
| 21:29.10 | kriebel | cilkay: keep in mind that when a new relase comes out, you may try to pull packages from the new stable |
| 21:29.21 | kriebel | which might not be what you want ;-) |
| 21:29.36 | kriebel | (if you change that to "stable" |
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| 21:30.42 | cilkay | kriebel: Indeed, which is why I asked. It's a server that's running a very minimal installation and I notice that Lenny now has the OpenVZ kernels so that I don't have to use a third-party repo. That seems appealing. |
| 21:30.53 | jpinx | solars: wicd |
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| 21:30.56 | ghenry | is there a nice iptables tool anyone recommend on the cli? |
| 21:30.59 | cilkay | It's the basis for running a bunch of OpenVZ containers. |
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| 21:31.14 | solars | jpinx, thx |
| 21:31.32 | jpinx | cilkay: recommends that you specify your distro in your sources list by name, not state |
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| 21:31.51 | cilkay | ok, thanks |
| 21:31.59 | kriebel | lenny avoided sucking by having OpenVZ and Xen kernels that didn't suck, imo |
| 21:32.59 | cilkay | kriebel: I've been using an OpenVZ kernel on Etch for more than a year. No problems so far. |
| 21:33.16 | kriebel | ghenry: some friends of mine love firehol. it's a system that builds iptables rules from simpler rules, and tests and manages them fro you |
| 21:33.39 | bzed | ghenry: ferm |
| 21:33.43 | kriebel | cilkay: I've used it too, but it wasn't in the base stable distro until Lenny came out |
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| 21:34.07 | cilkay | Right, which is why I got it directly from OpenVZ.org |
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| 21:35.44 | Ace2017_- | this is strange i'm getting ramdom losses of ram, the ram usage slowly increases and then drops by a large amount |
| 21:35.59 | Ace2017_- | is there an app to graph the ram usage of individual proceses? |
| 21:36.13 | bzed | are you runnign something with java? |
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| 21:36.21 | Ace2017_- | me? no |
| 21:36.52 | bzed | sounds like a program which uses some kind of garbage collection |
| 21:37.36 | ghenry | kriebel: ah yes, remember that now |
| 21:37.37 | zapster | so do I need to uninstall all the drivers before moving this drive over? |
| 21:37.38 | ghenry | thanks. |
| 21:37.42 | jpinx | Ace2017_-: my ram does that - but that's because I'm running a java Vm |
| 21:38.29 | jpinx | Ace2017_-: it does the same when I'm watching a short flash movie |
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| 21:39.05 | kriebel | zapster: what? |
| 21:39.31 | zapster | the old i386 install, it'll still need new drivers won't it? |
| 21:39.41 | zapster | for the 64-bit machine? |
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| 21:39.58 | zapster | or will it recognize the changes? |
| 21:40.28 | flixil | Btw, is there a way to configure which application use to open certain files? like say use amarok to open mp3 y xine para ogg... |
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| 21:42.59 | bananahands | Hi, I am having trouble trying to resync a new hard drive (replacing faultyone), I cannot get the new one to sync as part of a RAID 5 array |
| 21:42.59 | bananahands | /sbin/mdadm /dev/md0 --fail /dev/sdd2 --remove /dev/sdd2 |
| 21:42.59 | bananahands | mdadm: set device faulty failed for /dev/sdd2: No such device |
| 21:43.25 | bananahands | I geuss I should test it by writing to it...? |
| 21:44.24 | bzed | bananahands: what's the old one? |
| 21:44.42 | bananahands | old hard drive? |
| 21:44.43 | bzed | bananahands: look at mdadm --detail /dev/md0 and see, if it is still listed there |
| 21:44.54 | bzed | bananahands: the device of the failed drive |
| 21:45.11 | bzed | bananahands: was that /dev/sdd, too? |
| 21:45.23 | aredhel | zapster, you don't need new drivers for the cpu. If you are changing mother boards/other hardware then you need drivers for those. If you know what they are you can install them before hand. |
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| 21:45.58 | zapster | do I need to remove old drivers? it is a new motherboard as well |
| 21:46.00 | bananahands | no.... |
| 21:46.10 | aredhel | zapster, no |
| 21:46.16 | zapster | awesome, thank you |
| 21:46.19 | bzed | bananahands: no.. as in it is not listed there anymore? |
| 21:46.29 | bananahands | I have a raid 1 with sda1/sdb1 that is active |
| 21:46.31 | bananahands | and listed |
| 21:46.44 | bananahands | but my RAID 5 is inactive because it lacks one disk |
| 21:46.56 | bananahands | that disk...sdd2 |
| 21:47.00 | bananahands | I cannot add |
| 21:47.10 | bzed | bananahands: why don't you answer my question :\ |
| 21:47.28 | bananahands | becasue md0 is listed |
| 21:47.35 | bananahands | and it has nothing to do with sdd2 |
| 21:47.37 | bzed | bananahands: *is the failed drive still listed in the drives of the degraded raidset* ? |
| 21:47.56 | bananahands | yes |
| 21:48.09 | bzed | bananahands: what's the name of the raid set, and what's the name of the drive? |
| 21:48.27 | bananahands | md1 and sdd2 |
| 21:48.44 | bzed | bananahands: mdadm /dev/md1 --remove /dev/sdd2 |
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| 21:49.16 | bzed | bananahands: look at the mdadm --detail /dev/md1 output again, is it still listed? |
| 21:49.42 | bananahands | hot remove failed for md1: no such device |
| 21:49.47 | bananahands | because I cannot start it up |
| 21:50.00 | bananahands | mdadm.conf has it...but even with sdd2 UUID in it |
| 21:50.03 | bananahands | does not work |
| 21:50.09 | bzed | bananahands: how many drives do you have there? |
| 21:50.20 | bananahands | in md1? |
| 21:50.23 | bzed | yes |
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| 21:51.16 | bananahands | 4 |
| 21:51.25 | bananahands | sdb2[1] sda2[0] sdd2[4](S) sdc2[2] |
| 21:51.41 | bzed | bananahands: and md1 is not started? |
| 21:51.45 | bananahands | inactive |
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| 21:52.26 | bzed | bananahands: try mdadm --run /dev/md1 |
| 21:52.42 | bananahands | tried syncing it twice, first time computer powered down during, second time it read error for sdd2 |
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| 21:53.27 | bananahands | okay, it reads active now |
| 21:53.58 | bzed | bananahands: what does /proc/mdstat say about it now? |
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| 21:54.09 | bananahands | active |
| 21:54.18 | bzed | and the drives? |
| 21:54.32 | bzed | could you put the output in a pastebin? |
| 21:54.39 | bzed | of cat /proc/mdstat |
| 21:55.11 | bananahands | http://pastebin.com/m21841d4a |
| 21:55.34 | bananahands | stillmissing sdd2 though |
| 21:55.37 | bzed | bananahands: now try mdadm /dev/md1 --remove /dev/sdd2 |
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| 21:56.12 | bananahands | okay |
| 21:56.16 | bananahands | now I can add it |
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| 21:56.35 | bzed | bananahands: after adding it, it shoudl resync again |
| 21:57.07 | bananahands | cool, hope it works this time |
| 21:57.21 | bananahands | thanks, I didn't know it had to be a hot swap |
| 21:57.28 | bzed | good luck :) |
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| 21:57.53 | bzed | it should not be a hot swap, except you've configured the raid5 with one hot-swap |
| 21:58.43 | macman_ | so |
| 21:58.58 | macman_ | i don't know if this is a stupid question but .. is dpkg better then apt-get or what ? |
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| 21:59.40 | jpinx | macman_: the best is aptitude |
| 21:59.54 | macman_ | so why are we doing apt-get ? |
| 22:00.00 | flixil | yes jpinx being positive is the best in life |
| 22:00.04 | jpinx | isn't |
| 22:00.04 | macman_ | is there a diff from dpkg - apt-get - aptitude ? |
| 22:00.46 | jpinx | !tell macman_about aptitude |
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| 22:01.02 | jpinx | !tell macman_ about aptitude |
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| 22:02.16 | jpinx | !tell flixil about why aptitude |
| 22:02.34 | flixil | jpinx, why are you telling me? |
| 22:02.52 | macman_ | let me try a command |
| 22:02.52 | jpinx | is being positive |
| 22:02.57 | macman_ | !tell macman_ about apt-get |
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| 22:03.17 | jpinx | !tell macman_ about self-tell |
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| 22:06.00 | macman_ | smart bot eh |
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| 22:07.35 | pyr0 | Hi aHi all, what would i have to install on debian to get the Compiz manager so i can change pics etc etc? |
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| 22:09.38 | Skipp_OSX | hello |
| 22:09.46 | pyr0 | Anyone? |
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| 22:10.34 | flixil | Change pics? |
| 22:10.50 | pyr0 | Yeah, like the sky thing in the cube |
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| 22:11.05 | pyr0 | I have it installed, i just dont have the manager installed |
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| 22:12.35 | kriebel | pyr0: apt-cache search compiz | grep manager |
| 22:13.01 | pyr0 | kriebel, i figured it out |
| 22:13.15 | kriebel | good |
| 22:13.22 | kriebel | wasn't really... hard |
| 22:13.29 | pyr0 | No not really |
| 22:13.34 | kriebel | although the whole "compiz experience" is hard to figure out |
| 22:13.35 | pyr0 | apt-get install compiz-settings-manager |
| 22:13.37 | pyr0 | lol |
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| 22:13.45 | kriebel | kinda helter-skelter |
| 22:14.03 | pyr0 | Its not hard |
| 22:14.08 | pyr0 | Its very simple. |
| 22:14.23 | pyr0 | Getting wireless drivers to work after installation is hard |
| 22:15.15 | kriebel | when I was using it, I had trouble finding features I wanted for two reasons. One, plugins came and went with no real warning; and two: I didn't know the right word to describe an effect or setting. |
| 22:15.24 | macman_ | ok another question |
| 22:15.38 | kriebel | wireless is still something where it pays to search ahead of time if a product is compatible |
| 22:16.12 | pyr0 | Well thats just it, my laptop is compatible |
| 22:16.31 | macman_ | i want to image one system to another .. 1st system is fat32 and the second is ntfs .. can i use partimage to make an image of the fat drive and then extract the image onto the new ntfs machine ? |
| 22:16.36 | kriebel | pyr0: then you win at Linux |
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| 22:16.43 | pyr0 | I had to d/l the intel pro wireless .fw drivers and use them to do a net install |
| 22:16.53 | kriebel | eew? |
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| 22:17.12 | kriebel | macman_: short answer: no |
| 22:17.14 | pyr0 | kriebel, yes but if i had not done the install that way then it would be very difficult to use my wireless card |
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| 22:17.22 | macman_ | ugh |
| 22:17.32 | illikawn | there was NVU and then iceape, what installs on lenny? |
| 22:17.40 | pyr0 | And ndiswrapper was no help at all |
| 22:17.50 | kriebel | a "system" is neither "fat32" nor "NTFS" |
| 22:18.08 | red_eyes | Hello. After I installed kde, there was a desktop background with the red debian logo. (if I am not wrong) I changed the wallpapers to see them all. But now I can't find that default one. Any idea where it might be? |
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| 22:18.42 | kriebel | red_eyes: /usr/share/desktops /usr/share/pixmaps /usr/share/wallpaper ... something like that |
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| 22:19.07 | flixil | Good night |
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| 22:20.20 | kriebel | macman_: if you're trying to clone a windows box, you're just going to have to make the target the same as the original |
| 22:20.41 | kriebel | if this isn't for booting Windows, then make it whatever FS you want and use tar or somethign to move files |
| 22:20.57 | eightyeight | i am using the nightly iso build to install sid on my laptop. i selected 'desktop environment', 'laptop' and 'base system', yet my laptop does not start X. any ideas? |
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| 22:21.19 | kriebel | utilities that are actually for windows might work better. Also, booting windows from fat32 is not reccomended |
| 22:21.32 | eightyeight | when i run 'apt-get install gnome' it fails with dependency errors. same with aptitude. 'tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install' does nothing |
| 22:21.39 | eightyeight | why can't i get gnome installed? |
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| 22:21.47 | kriebel | eightyeight: sounds like apt is broken. welcome to sid |
| 22:22.07 | kriebel | I'd change sources.list to Lenny, install gnome, then go back to sid |
| 22:22.10 | kriebel | it will be messy |
| 22:22.17 | kriebel | er, not lenny |
| 22:22.25 | eightyeight | testing you mean |
| 22:22.28 | kriebel | squeeze these days |
| 22:22.56 | kriebel | X won't start automaically without gdm or some such installed |
| 22:23.14 | eightyeight | right. and trying to install gdm fails every way i approach it |
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| 22:23.39 | eightyeight | but, your suggesting worked. at least i'm getting the packages this time |
| 22:23.47 | eightyeight | s/suggesting/suggestion/ |
| 22:23.54 | eightyeight | kriebel: thx |
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| 22:25.06 | Wyzard | eightyeight: gnome is in the middle of a 2.22->2.24 transition in sid right now |
| 22:25.38 | kriebel | isn't 2.26 current? |
| 22:25.41 | Wyzard | My amd64 box saw a bunch of broken dependencies yesterday, but they seem to have all been resolved today; i386 still has broken dependencies |
| 22:25.55 | illikawn | no iceape, quanta is KDE and eclipse doesnt do webpages. :( |
| 22:25.55 | Wyzard | kriebel: yes, but 2.24 didn't go in when it was released due to the lenny freeze |
| 22:25.58 | eightyeight | Wyzard: would you recommend staying on squeeze until it's resolved, or go back to sid when i'm done with my apt-get? |
| 22:26.14 | Wyzard | eightyeight: I'd recommend just waiting a few days and trying again |
| 22:26.16 | Wyzard | That's what I did yesterday |
| 22:26.58 | eightyeight | Wyzard: this is a fresh sid install on an amd64 laptop. i've already changed my sources temporarily to squeeze to get gnome. would it cause problems if i stayed on squeeze? |
| 22:27.15 | eightyeight | or should i go back to sid? |
| 22:27.15 | kriebel | I think that's a possibility |
| 22:27.29 | kriebel | eventually squeeze will essentially "catch up" |
| 22:27.37 | kriebel | but you never know |
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| 22:27.56 | Wyzard | Having sid stuff (newer than squeeze) installed and then changing to only get squeeze updates could potentially cause some problems, but it's not definitely a bad thing |
| 22:28.05 | Wyzard | I can't point to any particular problem it'd be likely to cause |
| 22:28.27 | eightyeight | ok. i just need gnome. i can switch back to sid, and keep off the updates for a few days until things settle |
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| 22:29.32 | Wyzard | I was able to successfully upgrade all the gnome stuff on amd64 today, though |
| 22:29.33 | lilkid | when i ssh in to my web host, evry line says user@domain.com , where domain.com is my domain hosted on a shared server. where is this option set? e.g. another user will login and will see his user@hisdomain.com, I want to set this up on my debian box |
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| 22:30.09 | illikawn | Package iceape is not available, but is referred to by another package. how do I find out what package? |
| 22:30.17 | Wyzard | (but I'm using the "gnome-desktop-environment" metapackage, not the top-level "gnome" metapackage; that might depend on additional things that haven't yet been resolved) |
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| 22:31.14 | karsten | konqueror annoyance: opening links which are just text in something other than the browser window. |
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| 22:31.22 | karsten | Just give me damned text. |
| 22:31.30 | karsten | Eg: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.14 |
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| 22:32.07 | kriebel | lilkid: $PS1 |
| 22:32.11 | kriebel | that's your prompt |
| 22:32.15 | kriebel | there are many docs online |
| 22:32.37 | Toast | I've not a network puzzle that I've not had any luck googling an answer for. I would appreciate some help. I've got a Lenny box with two wired network ports. eth1 is internet facing, uses dhcp and works fine. eth0 is supposed to have a static IP, runs a dhcp server, and functions, but with some strange behaviour. 1) eth0 seems to be sending dhcprequests to it-self, which are failing and 2) ifup and ifdown, work correctly, but report that they fail. |
| 22:32.43 | eightyeight | Wyzard: well, we'll see what happens i guess. thx for your help. you too kriebel |
| 22:32.48 | Toast | s/not/got |
| 22:33.16 | kriebel | Toast: make sure dhclient isn't running fro eth0 |
| 22:33.23 | Brack102 | Trying to use kerberos to connect to my Windows 2003 domain controller. When I run kinit administrator@MYDOMAIN.COM it says this: Cannot resolve network address for KDC in realm MIDCO.LOCAL while getting initial credentials....sounds like a DNS issue but everything seems to be working properly dns-wise. Anyone run into this before or have any ideas? |
| 22:33.25 | kriebel | *for |
| 22:33.57 | Toast | kriebel: will do. Shouldn't /etc/network/interfaces take care of that? |
| 22:34.05 | kriebel | Brack102: does 2k3 use DNS service records? |
| 22:34.26 | kriebel | Toast: yes and no. If it DHCPed ever, since you booted it, there's a sleeping dhclient process |
| 22:34.31 | Tramp | Toast: maybe "ifup --verbose" helps |
| 22:34.41 | kriebel | if you have re-booted it, it's unlikely that's the problem, though |
| 22:34.41 | Brack102 | kribel: not sure... I think so? |
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| 22:35.13 | Brack102 | kribel: how can I check? |
| 22:35.43 | kriebel | Brack102: I don't know. That's one of those things you'd find in a book |
| 22:35.49 | kriebel | a good book on AD goes a long way |
| 22:35.54 | Brack102 | right |
| 22:36.01 | Brack102 | I'm reading one now for 2008 |
| 22:36.06 | Brack102 | looks like it does ala google |
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| 22:36.34 | Toast | kriebel: I can't reboot right now, but I'll check that later. For now I've done a killall dhclient3. Lets see if that helps. |
| 22:37.03 | lilkid | thanks kriebel |
| 22:37.22 | Brack102 | kriebel: and I can resolve the domain controller IP via hostname just fine on the box |
| 22:37.28 | kriebel | Toast: that will prevent you from renewing your lease to the cable modem or whatever |
| 22:37.35 | kriebel | Toast: don't do that |
| 22:37.39 | Brack102 | both by alias and fully qualified |
| 22:38.02 | Toast | kriebel: bit late now :) |
| 22:38.11 | kriebel | Brack102: look into what SRV records do. they're not A records. In any case, it's just a guess. |
| 22:38.13 | Brack102 | and my krb5.conf seems to be in order |
| 22:38.32 | kriebel | Toast: run `dhclient3 eth1` then |
| 22:38.34 | Brack102 | I don't think it's server side because I got it to work on my other debian box using the same set of instructions |
| 22:38.36 | kriebel | goes to find dinner |
| 22:38.53 | Brack102 | *checks krb5.conf on working box* |
| 22:39.10 | Toast | kriebel: It's ok, just checked my TV schedule, I can reboot in a minuite. |
| 22:39.32 | Toast | Then I'll see if the problem is really fixed. |
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| 22:41.44 | Matson | I'm using mkfs on a usb-connected drive - and it is taking an amazingly long time. about 2 hours est for a 250G hard drive. is this failing or is this really how long it takes? |
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| 22:42.15 | Matson | "writing inode table: 704/1864 after 30 mins so far |
| 22:42.44 | Matson | I'm not sure where I would even look to debug |
| 22:42.59 | Wyzard | Matson: Do the drive and controller both support USB 2.x? |
| 22:43.07 | Wyzard | 1.x is pretty slow |
| 22:43.18 | gpm | . |
| 22:43.34 | Matson | Wyzard: not sure - the drive does |
| 22:43.40 | Matson | how can I check the controller? |
| 22:44.02 | Matson | or can I query the /proc area and see how its connected now |
| 22:44.13 | Wyzard | Run lspci and look for a line mentioning EHCI |
| 22:45.05 | Wyzard | You'll see UHCI or OHCI, which are USB 1.x interfaces -- those exist even on a system that supports 2.x, for backward compatibility with 1.x-only devices |
| 22:45.27 | Wyzard | but EHCI is the USB 2.x interface and if you don't have it, your drive is working in slow 1.x-compatibility mode with your old controller |
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| 22:45.43 | illikawn | who are the pimps and hustlers behind debian squeezing out my ICEAPE |
| 22:45.56 | Matson | hmm |
| 22:46.02 | Matson | no hci on whole list http://pastie.org/441255 |
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| 22:46.43 | illikawn | if fedora\fglrx wasnt so frigged up |
| 22:46.57 | illikawn | at least you cant take away a RPM |
| 22:47.15 | Matson | this could be useful http://wiki.debian.org/USB - reading |
| 22:47.15 | Wyzard | Matson: hmm, those "82801CA/CAM USB" appear to be UHCI controllers (according to Google) -- I'm surprised the device name doesn't mention UHCI |
| 22:47.28 | Matson | meaning 1.x ? |
| 22:47.35 | Wyzard | but those are all you have, so there's no EHCI controller |
| 22:47.46 | Wyzard | Your computer apparently does not support USB 2.0 |
| 22:47.59 | Matson | well, at least I'm doing a backup as I retire the fscker |
| 22:48.05 | Matson | :) |
| 22:48.13 | Wyzard | Copying 250GB of data to it will take a very long time |
| 22:48.23 | Matson | longer than over a network? |
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| 22:49.08 | Wyzard | probably |
| 22:49.16 | Matson | hmmm |
| 22:49.27 | bpun | where are keybinding setup guides for lynx? I can't find one from homepage or /usr/share/doc.. |
| 22:49.28 | Wyzard | USB 1.1 maxes out at 12Mbps, but with overhead the effective rate is probably more like 10 or less |
| 22:49.42 | Matson | calcualting |
| 22:49.43 | Wyzard | Most Ethernet networks these days are at least 100Mbps, and some are gigabit |
| 22:50.14 | Matson | 1.1 that 10 M (bits), right? |
| 22:50.18 | Matson | so about 1MB/s |
| 22:50.19 | Wyzard | right |
| 22:50.37 | Matson | actual data to copy is 60G |
| 22:51.01 | Matson | so 17h |
| 22:51.06 | Matson | this isn't going to work |
| 22:51.13 | Matson | grrrrr |
| 22:51.23 | bpun | Matson, might as well do a direct cross-over link with rj45 cabling if u copy loads of gig often |
| 22:51.24 | Toast | kriebel: I've not seen any problems since the reboot. Looks fixed. Thanks :) |
| 22:52.30 | Matson | bpun: this is the last thing I'm doing with the box, for now - final backup before migrating all over to a nice new Sun Fir x2200 |
| 22:53.43 | bpun | Matson, last time i did a big copy.. i used pcopy |
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| 22:54.12 | bpun | Matson, (i piped it to bzip using fastest compression to crunch a bunch of 'em zeros) |
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| 22:55.09 | bpun | can't find a dam document on how to set key bindings for lynx.. :( |
| 22:55.26 | Matson | bpun:I like "links" |
| 22:55.33 | Matson | bpun: does tables better |
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| 22:55.57 | Matson | ii links 0.99+1.00pre12-1.1 Character mode WWW browser |
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| 22:56.14 | Matson | bpun: no promises on keybindings |
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| 22:56.38 | bpun | Matson, i know i've checked them all out... there's even this neat one called clex... |
| 22:56.56 | eponymous | does anybody know how to install Debain on vmware, or know where I can get instructions? |
| 22:56.57 | bpun | Matson, lynx seems to suit me fine.. i've gotten used to it.. |
| 22:57.23 | bpun | eponymous, just set to cdrom image to the download .iso and u should be set to go.. |
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| 22:57.52 | bpun | has tested debian lenny on vmware and works very well.. |
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| 22:59.12 | eponymous | bpun: unfortunately it doesn't seem to be that simple (using vmware 6.5). first of all vmware doesn't recognize the OS on the .iso file. Then when i choose linux as the type of OS, Debian isn't listed |
| 22:59.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | eponymous, someone should have prepared an image... e. |
| 22:59.26 | drwn | please help me with postix on Lenny |
| 22:59.33 | Matson | is there a way to set up a network port to cross connect directly to my laptop? |
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| 22:59.35 | eponymous | I downloaded the DVD image from the debian website |
| 22:59.37 | bpun | eponymous, choose 2.6 kernel other |
| 22:59.41 | drwn | I want compile with vda |
| 22:59.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | eponymous, google gives me e.g. http://www.linux23.com/torrent/debian-lenny-vmware-image:cd3abe9d9a9cf8030faf1b51000e78b56d1cc806 |
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| 22:59.49 | Matson | I have an extra rj45 on the back of the debian server - laptop is osx |
| 23:00.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | eponymous, (not the most trustworthy source but you get the general idea |
| 23:00.26 | Matson | this is way otside my expertise, but my other option is a 17h data copy |
| 23:00.27 | bpun | Matson, u can use 169.254.0.0 network for the link to link.. |
| 23:00.34 | eponymous | CutMeOwnThroat: do you need an image that is made specially for vmware? |
| 23:00.51 | bpun | Matson, if u ever decide to do pc to pc crossover rj45 cabling.. |
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| 23:00.59 | drwn | but when I run dpkg-buildpackage received a message about depndencies with libdb-dev(4.6.9) |
| 23:01.25 | Matson | bpun: would I need the special cable - or would a standard cable work? |
| 23:01.25 | drwn | someone can help me ? |
| 23:02.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | eponymous, yes, I'd think so... it's most probably a specific format for vmware images... dunno if it's compatible to any other |
| 23:02.15 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 23:02.27 | Nebukadneza | is there a way to use wildcards in aptitude, like aptitude install xserver*? |
| 23:02.32 | bpun | Matson, straight thru is for different devices.. cross-over is for pc 2 pc-- there's many pics on google images ... |
| 23:02.55 | Wyzard | eponymous: You can choose Ubuntu or generic 2.6 Linux for installing Debian in VMware |
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| 23:03.14 | bpun | Matson, no special cabling .. u just need a crimping tool and of course.. get cat 6 cabling (which is not the cheap rj45 cable quality which is cat 5) |
| 23:03.15 | Matson | ok |
| 23:03.35 | Wyzard | eponymous: and the "easy install" thing is only supported for Windows, but that's no big deal |
| 23:03.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nebukadneza, yes, but use apt-get install with globs if that's enough, that's simpler |
| 23:04.02 | bpun | Matson, if u have a good router box.. it might not make much of a difference... |
| 23:04.23 | bpun | Matson, presuming u'r not doing anything else on the rest of the network like torrenting |
| 23:04.30 | eponymous | I chose generic 2.6 as suggested, but I get an error saying 'OS not found' |
| 23:04.47 | Wyzard | eponymous: Did you mount the install iso on the virtual DVD drive? |
| 23:05.01 | bpun | eponymous, u didnt read the first thing i mentioned-- set the iso image |
| 23:05.26 | Matson | bpun: sharing router with 30 other servers. would be rude to push 100Mbps and crowd them out, even for a short time |
| 23:05.59 | Matson | bpun: actually, I do a *lot* of torrenting - my company runs LegalTorrents.com |
| 23:06.11 | Wyzard | Matson: If either of the two computers has a gigabit NIC, you can use a straight-through cable |
| 23:06.17 | Matson | on a compeltely separate system, we put 10TB/mo |
| 23:06.30 | Wyzard | Matson: Auto-crossover is part of the gigabit Ethernet standard |
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| 23:06.40 | eponymous | bpun: yes, I already set the .iso |
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| 23:06.57 | Matson | 03:02.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82546EB Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) (rev 01) |
| 23:07.00 | Matson | nice |
| 23:07.01 | bpun | Matson, if the auto-sensing works.. straight-thru might work for modern nics.. which can do more than just cross-over cabling.. otherwise just use cross-over |
| 23:07.02 | codelearner | ah... :d |
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| 23:07.11 | codelearner | problem solved :P |
| 23:07.28 | codelearner | I booted the gparted live cd and cloned the old files to the new HD , and when i try to boot, I see a blank screen with a blinking cursor in place of the grub menu |
| 23:07.34 | codelearner | reinstalling the grub with debian cd fails with exit code 1. |
| 23:07.38 | bpun | eponymous, which iso did u download? |
| 23:07.50 | codelearner | solution was simple :P |
| 23:07.57 | codelearner | #fdisk -l |
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| 23:08.08 | eponymous | bpun: I downloaded the DVD iso |
| 23:08.20 | codelearner | the hard drive was hdb1 |
| 23:08.32 | codelearner | #grub |
| 23:08.49 | lilkid | how can I link a linux user with a specific host? therefore if a user ssh's in to a shared server, the prompt says user@usersdomain.com [~]# |
| 23:09.06 | bpun | Matson, u can run 30 servers over a null modem if u want.. I really dont care |
| 23:09.35 | codelearner | grub>root ( hd1,0) |
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| 23:09.51 | codelearner | grub>setup (hd1) |
| 23:09.56 | codelearner | quit |
| 23:10.00 | codelearner | and reboot :D |
| 23:10.15 | codelearner | I have cloned my old drive !!! :D |
| 23:10.32 | jpinx | good job codelearner :) |
| 23:10.45 | mpeter | Playing MPEG stream 1 of 2: 07 - i'm certainly not pleased with my options for the future.mp3 ... |
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| 23:10.59 | bpun | eponymous, try using 'esc' to select bootup device.. make sure cdrom device is "on" at boot << check its checkbox |
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| 23:11.12 | codelearner | for an hour I was rtying to chroot and do grub-install |
| 23:11.16 | bpun | eponymous, but I wont support u after this with vmware... |
| 23:11.23 | bpun | eponymous, ur own ur own with vmware... |
| 23:11.31 | codelearner | it was failing for reason unknown to me :P |
| 23:11.59 | foetus | happy night (MEZ)..what are the most suggested kernel patches beside mm this time? |
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| 23:14.04 | eponymous | bpun: the CD drive is set to connect on power up. not a vmware fan? |
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| 23:15.00 | Wyzard | eponymous: Make sure you downloaded the DVD for the correct architecture (probably i386 or amd64) |
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| 23:15.45 | eponymous | Wyzard: checking now |
| 23:16.02 | bpun | Wyzard, the funny thing with vmware is that 64 bit linuxes can run on 'em 32-bit winbloze.. (provided the hardware is 64 bit) |
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| 23:16.17 | bolt | how can I use aptitude markauto without taking action immediately? I want to mark a whole bunch of packages as autoinstalled, but also install some others at the same time. the markauto command doesn't let me continue without actually removing the automarked packages. |
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| 23:17.15 | Wyzard | bpun: I think the same is true for 64-bit guests on 32-bit Linux hosts |
| 23:17.18 | bpun | Wyzard, i just dont want him asking how to setup his sound etc.. in vmware... |
| 23:17.51 | bpun | Wyzard, i was surprised it can do that... pretty cool.. |
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| 23:18.48 | eponymous | bpun: don't worry, my questions will be directly related to setting up the OS itself |
| 23:18.51 | bpun | Wyzard, i bet the vmware developers are rootkit experts... |
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| 23:20.15 | bpun | eponymous, if u dont know what the word architecture means.. then vmware is not for you |
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| 23:21.04 | eponymous | bpun: I'm sure vmware is for me :) |
| 23:21.50 | bpun | eponymous, u should get together with someone who knows a little more about computers.. because i see no progress here unfortunately.. dont mean to offend you |
| 23:22.08 | bpun | doesnt like to say rtfm |
| 23:22.08 | jpinx | go virtualbox |
| 23:22.12 | bpun | :) |
| 23:23.20 | jetscreamer | codelearner: you have to mount /proc and somehting else.. after you chroot in i think |
| 23:23.33 | codelearner | yeah |
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| 23:23.42 | jetscreamer | the bot has a factoid iirc.. oh you know already |
| 23:23.42 | codelearner | chroot /disk1 |
| 23:23.43 | macman_ | i forgot |
| 23:23.44 | macman_ | us dvd players are ntsc not pal right ? |
| 23:23.55 | jetscreamer | ntsc yes |
| 23:23.59 | jetscreamer | well |
| 23:24.00 | eponymous | bpun: I think I know enough about computers. That being said, it seems I download the wrong architecture. ...and I am offended by that, but I guess it couldn't be avoided |
| 23:24.06 | jetscreamer | more like region 1 |
| 23:24.13 | Wyzard | bpun: VMware uses special kernel modules, so you're giving it full privileges when you install it |
| 23:24.16 | jetscreamer | ntsc is the american standard |
| 23:24.33 | jetscreamer | for tv output |
| 23:24.42 | codelearner | actually i mounted first then chrooted and then was trying to install from there |
| 23:24.53 | codelearner | it said locain not found :P |
| 23:25.00 | jetscreamer | 29.997 fps vs 25 for pal |
| 23:25.04 | bpun | Wyzard, my suspicions are enough to offend newbies ;).. I knew he downloaded the wrong architecture |
| 23:25.16 | bpun | Wyzard, am I allowed to speculate? |
| 23:25.24 | codelearner | anyway it is done now :P |
| 23:26.07 | bpun | thinks someone who says they "know" and then say they're wrong on the same line has something wrong with them |
| 23:26.22 | mpeter | what are we talking about |
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| 23:26.44 | eponymous | bpun: I simply made a mistake, it happens. And yes I am a newbie |
| 23:26.51 | dkr | give a break to non-native speakers |
| 23:27.06 | mpeter | it could ve avoided |
| 23:27.08 | mpeter | be |
| 23:27.11 | mpeter | by knowing before hand |
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| 23:27.26 | stew | can we just get back on-topic and try to keep the conversation productive? |
| 23:27.44 | mpeter | no |
| 23:27.58 | mpeter | far too late for that now |
| 23:28.27 | upIRC | eponymous: which arch did you get? |
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| 23:29.16 | mxktmdude | hey everyone, im afraid i messed up my server, i think i have partial etch and lenny installed, but cant complete a the lenny upgrade because my kernel is 2.4. When i try to install inux-image-2.6.26-1-686 it says it depends on module-init-tools but wont be installed among other things: http://pastebin.ws/36akan |
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| 23:29.41 | mpeter | 2.6.28 is out i think |
| 23:29.51 | mpeter | yes |
| 23:29.58 | mpeter | use that |
| 23:30.04 | bpun | mxktmdude, try a force install with module-init-tools |
| 23:30.15 | eponymous | upIRC: it seems I just misunderstood the website. I should have gotten the ia64 |
| 23:30.31 | stew | eponymous: no, ia64 is for itanium |
| 23:30.52 | stew | eponymous: people who have spent the money for something as rare as an itanium don't have any questions about what they need |
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| 23:30.55 | bpun | mxktmdude, apt-get -f install then? |
| 23:31.03 | stew | mpeter: (and yes, ia64 is a very confusing name) |
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| 23:31.12 | mpeter | is not |
| 23:31.16 | mxktmdude | apt-cache seems to only find 2.6.26 series |
| 23:31.24 | upIRC | I never get confused :) |
| 23:31.27 | stew | mpeter: err, sorry, misfire |
| 23:31.29 | boot_loop | hey friends, does anyone have any advice about using my Debian box as a TiVo? |
| 23:31.32 | stew | mxktmdude: you don't want 2.6.28, ignore that |
| 23:31.41 | mpeter | boot_loop: pirate your movies |
| 23:31.44 | mpeter | done |
| 23:31.44 | stew | mxktmdude: (and you don't want to force anything) |
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| 23:31.50 | stew | mpeter: stop |
| 23:31.51 | upIRC | maybe it's his normal state :) |
| 23:31.55 | boot_loop | mpeter, not movies... for TV shows |
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| 23:32.01 | mpeter | so pirate your tv shows |
| 23:32.07 | mpeter | there's nothing wrong with it |
| 23:32.09 | bpun | boot_loop, dunno about tivo.. but i heard about freevo |
| 23:32.16 | stew | mpeter: that kind of thing is off-topic on this network |
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| 23:32.23 | bpun | boot_loop, i think that sounds bingo |
| 23:32.26 | mpeter | yeah anything that people disapprove of is off-topic |
| 23:32.28 | stew | mxktmdude: are you following the instructions in the release notes? |
| 23:32.30 | bpun | boot_loop, what do u think yo? |
| 23:32.32 | boot_loop | bpun: thanks a lot I'll check it out |
| 23:32.39 | bpun | laughs like a crazy mad poet |
| 23:32.55 | mxktmdude | stew, yeah i didnt think so, when i try apt-get -f install, it fails installing libc6 because it need s the 2.6 kernel |
| 23:33.12 | stew | mxktmdude: right, you really need to get a etch 2.6 kernel running first |
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| 23:33.42 | upIRC | This is what I like about debby. Booted up yesterday after about 3 months of being idle. and every things fixed. Three cheers for the developers. |
| 23:33.53 | karsten | lenny has ext4? |
| 23:34.05 | stew | karsten: yes, though a newer kernel is recommended |
| 23:34.21 | karsten | stew: 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 23:34.37 | karsten | stew: May just take it to testing/unstable. |
| 23:34.48 | stew | mxktmdude: i'd recommend putting your sources back to etch, get a etch kernel running first, then switch sources to lenny, aptitude install aptitude ; aptitude safe-upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade |
| 23:34.51 | karsten | stew: http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto |
| 23:34.52 | mxktmdude | stew, i think what happened was, when i did my apt-get update & upgrade, my sources was set to stable and it installed some lenny stuff. Is this a problem |
| 23:34.54 | stew | karsten: no 2.6.28 is recommended |
| 23:34.55 | karsten | stew: 2.6.28 or later |
| 23:35.07 | stew | karsten: but the userspace tools are in etch |
| 23:35.09 | stew | karsten: err lenny |
| 23:35.30 | stew | judd: kconfig EXT4 --release lenny |
| 23:35.31 | judd | stew: Searching for 'EXT4' in lenny kernel config gives EXT4DEV_FS=m EXT4DEV_FS_XATTR=y EXT4DEV_FS_POSIX_ACL=y EXT4DEV_FS_SECURITY=y. |
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| 23:36.01 | stew | karsten: so the experimental support IS there in the kernel as well, but you should use 2.6.28, but e2fsprogs in lenny knows about ext4 |
| 23:36.34 | stew | mxktmdude: that would be a problem, but it should be fixable |
| 23:36.55 | stew | mxktmdude: and we're really recommend following the guide in the release notes instead of just trying to use apt-get upgrade, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 23:37.16 | Mark21 | hello, does someone know the solution for my problem?: someone did reinstall a system running centos 5.x (and lvm on raid1) to debian 5.0 with raid1 (without lvm), now the data from the lvm partitions needs to be restored somehow |
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| 23:37.41 | stew | Mark21: did you overwrite stuff on the raid that was containing the lvm? |
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| 23:38.28 | mxktmdude | stew, my bad, i didnt realize my sources was set to stable, not etch so it got ahead of me. I really just wanted up update etch before anything hehe always something that likes make you work for it |
| 23:38.38 | boot_loop | any idea why my "deb" command doesn't work? |
| 23:39.15 | martin_king | How to update debian5's office 2.4 version to 3.0? |
| 23:39.20 | bpun | boot_loop, because u forgot to hit enter? |
| 23:39.25 | Mark21 | stew: possible |
| 23:39.47 | Mark21 | the basic debian install is done over the old setup |
| 23:40.05 | boot_loop | bpun: it says deb: command not found |
| 23:40.21 | bpun | boot_loop, i have no clue what's on ur screen... that can mean anything |
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| 23:40.44 | codelearner | where are the boot time scrips located usually? |
| 23:40.56 | bpun | codelearner, man init |
| 23:40.57 | stew | boot_loop: i dont' konw of a 'deb' command. what are you expecting this command to do? |
| 23:41.17 | bpun | codelearner, atd and cron are also something to do with it |
| 23:41.19 | boot_loop | stew: update my apt-get repositories |
| 23:41.28 | bpun | codelearner, "boot time" sounds ambiguous |
| 23:41.29 | boot_loop | adding a specific depository |
| 23:41.41 | codelearner | ah I clones and it boots |
| 23:41.46 | bpun | !tell boot_loop about repository |
| 23:42.02 | codelearner | but kkeps prompting that /hda5 is missing ( the swap ) |
| 23:42.06 | stew | bpun: stop |
| 23:42.23 | bpun | stew, stop what? |
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| 23:42.35 | bpun | stew, i'm helping him .. it's repository.. not depository.. |
| 23:42.46 | infomomo | Hey guys, how to remove outdated UNWANTED kernels from /boot |
| 23:42.50 | bananahands | bzed: so, the sync failed |
| 23:42.50 | codelearner | and the file it is executing is scripts/local-premount |
| 23:42.52 | stew | boot_loop: do you mean change the list of repositories you get packages from? or update the list of available packages from the repostories you already have |
| 23:42.56 | PovAddict | infomomo: uninstall them from apt |
| 23:42.56 | bpun | stew, i dont see how that's supposed to be offensive.. |
| 23:43.01 | codelearner | so dunno where that file is |
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| 23:43.08 | infomomo | PovAddict: command line or GUI ? |
| 23:43.11 | bananahands | bzed: both RAID arrays lost drives |
| 23:43.15 | stew | bpun: its got lots of information he doesn't need |
| 23:43.18 | bpun | boot_loop, add "contrib non-free" to your deb lines in sources.list... |
| 23:43.20 | PovAddict | infomomo: why'd it make a difference...? |
| 23:43.23 | stew | bpun: and none he does need |
| 23:43.34 | bpun | thinks stew is going overblown |
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| 23:43.52 | infomomo | PovAddict: i am in the synaptic package manager now, what do i searh for ? |
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| 23:44.02 | boot_loop | when I type deb htt://etc.etc.etc. it still says deb: command not found |
| 23:44.04 | PovAddict | linux-image |
| 23:44.05 | bpun | stew, he needs an idea of terminology... read above.. tell me what is a depository... |
| 23:44.12 | PovAddict | make sure not to uninstall them all! |
| 23:44.13 | Mark21 | stew: possible, the basic debian install is done at the system |
| 23:44.18 | bpun | stew, ur going overblown for nothing.. relax |
| 23:44.24 | bzed | bananahands: this pretty much sounds like a broken controller, power supply or similar things |
| 23:44.39 | PovAddict | I found a typo in a debian policy document, where can I report it? |
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| 23:45.23 | bzed | PovAddict: reportbug debian-policy |
| 23:45.34 | PovAddict | bzed: I don't have debian installed though |
| 23:46.08 | PovAddict | oh ubuntu repos have reportbug |
| 23:46.24 | bzed | PovAddict: that won't send the bug to debian. though |
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| 23:46.47 | bzed | PovAddict: and I doubt anybody will look in launchpad for debian policy bugs... |
| 23:46.59 | bzed | PovAddict: read http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting and send it by mail, package is debian-policy |
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| 23:50.45 | PovAddict | bzed: reportbug --bts debian seems to be working |
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| 23:51.39 | stew | bpun: well my problem is that actually none of the advice you are giving out is actually helpful |
| 23:51.44 | foonet | hi all, what can i install to extract .rar files? |
| 23:52.29 | nayx | unrar |
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| 23:53.04 | foonet | Whats the apt-get install syntax? |
| 23:53.10 | PovAddict | apt-get install <package> |
| 23:53.19 | PovAddict | bzed: sent, great |
| 23:53.38 | jpinx | better to use aptitude foonet |
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| 23:54.36 | foonet | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.46 | foonet | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 23:54.46 | foonet | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.54 | jpinx | !tell foonet about why aptitude |
| 23:54.57 | foonet | That doesnt look like somethin i wanna do |
| 23:55.12 | bpun | stew, well i dont know why people are thanking me |
| 23:56.09 | jpinx | foonet: try aptitude show <package> to see more detail |
| 23:56.18 | bpun | stew, i think u better go out and chill out.. no need to drag this stupidity |
| 23:56.33 | bpun | stew, relax |
| 23:56.34 | bananahands | bzed: that is what I originally thought, but the cdrom and drives worked fine until this |
| 23:56.38 | foonet | not a real package |
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| 23:57.43 | jpinx | foonet: try an aptitude search on whatever you're looking for |
| 23:57.45 | codeblue1 | hello how can i find out when and how a username was added to my system also how can i grab any connections that logged in as that user |
| 23:58.04 | codelearner | location = /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-premount/ this is the location but I don t see how to fix :/ |
| 23:58.12 | foonet | No current or candidate version found for unrar |
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| 23:59.06 | jpinx | judd: versions unrar |
| 23:59.06 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.07 | judd | jpinx: unrar -- etch/non-free: 1:3.5.4-1.1 lenny/non-free: 1:3.8.2-1 squeeze/non-free: 1:3.8.5-1 sid/non-free: 1:3.8.5-2 |
| 23:59.26 | foonet | No worries i found the tar.gz source |
| 23:59.28 | jpinx | foonet: does that help ^^ |
| 23:59.42 | codeblue1 | actually more important I have an unauthorised user called 100 but i cannot seem to remove him |
| 23:59.44 | foonet | No cause i cant use the package manager to install it |
| 23:59.47 | foonet | But thanx for trying |
| 23:59.48 | codeblue1 | says user does not exist |
