| 00:00.10 | simonrvn | s/nerdy/corporate flunky/ :P |
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| 00:01.14 | Brack10 | like how last week they used a WebEx so the president could sign immunity for the guy who betrayed them |
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| 00:01.48 | izua | hey. |
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| 00:02.02 | Brack10 | oh and the week before that the guy used the blowfish "backdoor" to decrypt an important communication |
| 00:02.07 | Brack10 | so awesomely inaccurate |
| 00:02.16 | jetscreamer | or is it... |
| 00:03.00 | izua | i made a change to the sshd conf (added port 443) and now I want to restart the sshd |
| 00:03.17 | izua | the thing is, the box i've made this changes to only has a network and power cable |
| 00:03.20 | simonrvn | why 443? |
| 00:03.32 | Brack10 | why do people always confuse ssh and ssl |
| 00:03.34 | izua | because that's the only thing i can access from my uni, besides 80 |
| 00:03.36 | dondelelcaro | izua: so connect to via ssh, restart ssh, then try to connect again |
| 00:03.39 | Brack10 | oh |
| 00:03.39 | Brack10 | nm |
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| 00:03.46 | simonrvn | ah |
| 00:03.48 | izua | i know the difference dude :) |
| 00:04.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | blowfish backdoor? |
| 00:04.14 | izua | how do i restart ssh? there is no init.d entry for it, and if i kill it, i'll be disconnected |
| 00:04.20 | simonrvn | izua: what sort of *nix experience do you have? just curious. |
| 00:04.25 | dondelelcaro | izua: it's /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 00:04.27 | izua | little |
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| 00:04.30 | simonrvn | izua: there is one |
| 00:04.40 | simonrvn | ok |
| 00:04.41 | izua | this sunday will be my 4th week in debian |
| 00:04.49 | dondelelcaro | izua: and you may want to consider using 443 to tunnel over instead (or ip-over-http, or similar) |
| 00:05.11 | izua | that's what i did. but when i tab at ...init.d/ssh, i don't see no restart entry |
| 00:05.30 | izua | that's the entry i was refferening to |
| 00:05.38 | dondelelcaro | izua: it's there; just run it. |
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| 00:05.49 | dondelelcaro | izua: restarting ssh won't terminate existing connections, either. |
| 00:05.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't see no == do see :) |
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| 00:06.26 | izua | there's only a list of.. err, ips? |
| 00:06.29 | simonrvn | &dmaint ikiwiki |
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| 00:06.38 | izua | so, /etc/init.d/sshd restart ? |
| 00:06.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | without d |
| 00:06.47 | izua | i mean ssh* |
| 00:06.49 | izua | ya |
| 00:06.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | use tab completion |
| 00:06.52 | simonrvn | &maint ikiwiki |
| 00:06.58 | izua | there is no restart |
| 00:07.02 | izua | that's what i'm trying to say |
| 00:07.14 | izua | nor stop, start or the usual |
| 00:07.19 | simonrvn | there is, trust us on that. |
| 00:07.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | # /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 00:07.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd. |
| 00:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 00:07.37 | subsume | what's a good size for a desktop debian root FS partition? |
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| 00:07.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe it's different in ubuntu :-P |
| 00:07.46 | abrotman | 42 |
| 00:07.48 | izua | okay |
| 00:07.55 | subsume | excellent, thanks! |
| 00:07.56 | dvs | heh |
| 00:08.00 | izua | fine fine. it worked :) |
| 00:08.03 | ravenbird | ikiwiki: Joey Hess <joeyh@debian.org> |
| 00:08.08 | izua | beers CutMeOwnThroat : you were right |
| 00:08.31 | izua | i just hate moving this box back to where my keyb and monitor are |
| 00:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, nother happy hitchhiker :) |
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| 00:09.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, that was amazing |
| 00:09.31 | abrotman | the pizza? |
| 00:09.32 | izua | what was the question again? |
| 00:09.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | the way this answer worked |
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| 00:10.36 | jetscreamer | /etc/ssh/ssh_not_to_be_run |
| 00:10.56 | izua | is there a netstat argument to display the program bound to a connection? |
| 00:11.43 | dondelelcaro | izua: p |
| 00:11.48 | jetscreamer | /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run rather wasn't it? |
| 00:12.01 | izua | thanks! |
| 00:12.16 | izua | nope, ssh restart worked |
| 00:12.26 | izua | and it shows up as listening on 443 |
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| 00:12.45 | izua | now i'll probably have to check the list of failed logins from time to time |
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| 00:12.50 | simonrvn | i move mine for different reasons |
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| 00:13.14 | jetscreamer | i move mine when it's time to take the leafblower to it and clean out the cpu and power supply |
| 00:13.23 | jetscreamer | and all the other dust |
| 00:13.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... amazing how many leaves get into a computer case |
| 00:13.39 | jetscreamer | works great btw |
| 00:13.46 | jetscreamer | esp for the psu |
| 00:13.53 | simonrvn | i did that coupla weeks ago, but with a brush... (i know, i know) |
| 00:14.03 | izua | dondelelcaro: can you elaborate on the tunneling part you said earlier? |
| 00:14.04 | dvs | *zap* |
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| 00:14.48 | izua | like using a webserver locally to redirect the data to the ssh? |
| 00:15.25 | izua | wait.. ip over http? |
| 00:15.46 | izua | isn't http at layer 7? |
| 00:15.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | izua, corkscrew + webproxy that allows connect |
| 00:16.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | izua, putty also can do it without corkscrew |
| 00:16.11 | izua | it can? |
| 00:16.11 | izua | hmm |
| 00:16.12 | dondelelcaro | izua: you can tunnel lower layers over higher layers. Nothing new. |
| 00:16.21 | Gryflhase | hi., i am using Debian on the eeepc 900A.... and I just found out,,, F7 don't work in htop... can someone confirm this ? |
| 00:16.37 | xororand | yes, you can tunnel ssh through any https proxy with putty alone |
| 00:16.40 | izua | that's good, because the uni machines have windows xp, with antiexecutable and deep freeze there |
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| 00:16.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | izua, of course, you don't want to run an open proxy... so you either have to limit incoming hosts or only allow the proxy to relay to localhost (which I'm not exactly sure if/how that's possible) |
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| 00:17.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | a) is simple to do, though |
| 00:17.42 | izua | dondelelcaro: ah, now i get what you ment |
| 00:17.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | b) would be a lot more useful |
| 00:17.45 | simonrvn | dvs: it was on non-pcb bits, and was grounded, so no biggie. |
| 00:17.55 | izua | oh.. right |
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| 00:18.12 | izua | i can access all services externally, through 443 |
| 00:19.47 | dondelelcaro | though, honestly, if you're university is blocking everything, then there's something wrong with your university |
| 00:21.14 | simonrvn | seriously... |
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| 00:22.57 | izua | what am I looking for in putty, to use the ip over http/corkscrew feature? |
| 00:23.26 | izua | (would this require what CutMeOwnThroat said about running a proxy on 443 that redirects to local only?) |
| 00:23.36 | izua | oh wait.. that's the whole point. |
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| 00:27.36 | woonis | Is an SSH tunnel the best way to connect to a MySQL server instance on another machine for sporadic queries? |
| 00:27.50 | woonis | I know that I don't want 3306 wide open on the Internet |
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| 00:29.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | woonis, just `ssh user@host -c /usr/bin/mysql ` if you need to check stuff perhaps |
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| 00:30.15 | wide | Having run exclusively AMD processors for some years now, for a laptop with an Intel Core2Duo and wanting to run 64 bit, do I choose i386 or AMD-64 iso image for install? |
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| 00:30.25 | wedge | wide: amd-64 |
| 00:30.35 | wedge | the name convention is silly, I know.. |
| 00:30.39 | wide | even though it's not a AMD chip? |
| 00:30.40 | wedge | but it's the 64bit image |
| 00:30.42 | wedge | yeah |
| 00:30.45 | wide | ok, thanks |
| 00:30.47 | woonis | Kamping_Kaiser: This is something that I need to remain persistent. I was going to set up a tunnel using AutoSSH. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't ignoring a simpler solution. |
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| 00:31.24 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps |
| 00:31.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | woonis, ah ok. tunnel seems fair |
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| 00:55.30 | stephanx | hello, how can I verify the version of a package |
| 00:55.57 | macman_ | apt-cache show <package> ? |
| 00:58.12 | abrotman | stephanx: apt-cache policy <pkg> or dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 00:58.44 | macman_ | my bad |
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| 01:02.28 | stephanx | depends on the package dovecot --v postfix = your method |
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| 01:05.41 | smacnay | Hello, I am trying to compile the nvidia kernel module for the 2.6.29 .deb kernel, using m-a. I get errors that seem to focus on AGP stuff. Are there issues with compiling the nvidia driver in this kernel right now? |
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| 01:11.36 | bluethundr | having a little trouble installing java on my debian box.. I think I'm missing the correct repository.. suggestions? |
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| 01:12.29 | abrotman | bluethundr: which version of debian ? |
| 01:12.33 | stephanx | try search installing eclipse |
| 01:12.37 | bluethundr | lenny |
| 01:12.43 | abrotman | bluethundr: i386 ? |
| 01:12.46 | bluethundr | i686 |
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| 01:13.01 | abrotman | right .. i386 |
| 01:13.07 | bluethundr | yep |
| 01:13.16 | abrotman | bluethundr: did you tryinstalling sun-java6-jre ? |
| 01:13.28 | bluethundr | not yet.. will do that now |
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| 01:18.19 | roe_ | I just wanted to say module-assistant is one of the best debian tools |
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| 01:19.07 | Adrian` | heh |
| 01:19.11 | Adrian` | got a story? |
| 01:19.21 | arkady_ | are there any OpenVZ users here? I'm using a VPS which seems to be openvz based (has a venet interface) but I can't get a single IP |
| 01:20.03 | arkady_ | if I can't get an IP, I can't connect to the Internet, preventing me from using it as a VPS |
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| 01:20.18 | roe_ | not really, I just upgraded my kernel and had to rebuild the nvidia module. I remember the days before m-a and it was always a real pain in the a** |
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| 01:24.46 | arkady_ | is there some kind of magic I need to do to make use of the point-to-point "venet0" interface? |
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| 01:29.46 | mredz | Hey all |
| 01:30.13 | mredz | im concerned about a potential security threat |
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| 01:30.33 | mredz | iv noticed that bash is running from /usr/local/bin |
| 01:30.40 | mredz | instead of /bin |
| 01:30.51 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 01:31.05 | mredz | sounds likely to be a hack? |
| 01:31.24 | abrotman | or your admin compiled bash |
| 01:31.39 | mredz | i am the admin |
| 01:31.51 | abrotman | silly admin ... |
| 01:31.53 | mredz | haven't ever compiled bash that i recall |
| 01:32.00 | mredz | :( |
| 01:32.27 | mredz | rkhuter hasnt picked anything up |
| 01:32.40 | abrotman | what does 'bash --version' say ? |
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| 01:33.52 | mredz | GNU bash, version 3.1.17(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 01:34.32 | abrotman | which version of debian are you on ? |
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| 01:34.58 | mredz | Etch |
| 01:35.15 | mredz | its the same version of bash thats in /bin/bash |
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| 01:35.28 | abrotman | any difference in the md5sum ? |
| 01:35.33 | mredz | maybe it was like busybox or something like that |
| 01:35.39 | mredz | hang on ill check |
| 01:36.27 | mredz | diff says theyre the same file |
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| 01:37.16 | mredz | hmm same md5sum as well |
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| 01:38.51 | mredz | maybe it was a chroot... |
| 01:38.51 | zhangweiwu | Hi. Stupid newbie nfs question: If I want to run nfs3 on server on a port OTHER THAN 4096, what software should i configure? mountd? portmap? /etc/epxorts? |
| 01:38.55 | smarf | hey guys, I notice a delay when I'm trying to open a terminal when it's minimized. It waits for about 2 seconds and then opens. That's not the case with the rest of the applications. Weird. Any ideas? |
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| 01:39.02 | zhangweiwu | Hi. Stupid newbie nfs question: If I want to run nfs3 on server on a port OTHER THAN 2096, what software should i configure? mountd? portmap? /etc/epxorts? |
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| 01:39.45 | zhangweiwu | sorry, should be port "2049" |
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| 01:40.15 | arkady_ | is there a way to determine what gateway/ip/etc I will need to configure my guest for on a VPS? |
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| 01:40.37 | mredz | abrotman: how can you configure which version of bash is run by ssh? |
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| 01:40.59 | abrotman | mredz: what is your default shell in /etc/passwd ? |
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| 01:41.28 | yitz_ | If I want to make a service to stop running at boot, I just remove the symlinks from rc[0-6S].d directories, right? |
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| 01:41.51 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
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| 01:42.51 | yitz_ | Thanks |
| 01:43.01 | Nikke | if i want xfce4 i just do "aptitude install xfce4" ? |
| 01:43.05 | Nikke | if i want to remove gnome then? |
| 01:43.10 | Nikke | when i installed xfce4 |
| 01:43.23 | abrotman | !tell Nikke about remove gnome |
| 01:43.46 | anoHito | it is strange,i put a command to run in background,before i shut down ssh,i checked it out many times made sure it's running,but now i logged back in 10 hours later,this jobs are gone . |
| 01:44.23 | Nikke | abrotman: ? :P |
| 01:44.30 | abrotman | :% |
| 01:44.34 | bpun | likes to use sysvconfig to enable/disable services |
| 01:44.39 | anoHito | tcpdump -ni eth0 -l -s 0 -w- -U dst port 80 | egrep --text -i --line-buffered 'user-agent.*(bot|crawler|slurp|spider)'> /tmp/spider.txt & |
| 01:44.42 | Nikke | didnt got any info :P |
| 01:44.42 | anoHito | any idea ? |
| 01:45.36 | mredz | abrotman> um they're all \bin\bash |
| 01:45.59 | halflife08 | anoHito: did the jobs not generate any logs ? |
| 01:46.07 | abrotman | mredz: are any of them symlinks ? |
| 01:46.11 | mredz | abrotman> I think it maybe ok my profile had the /usr/local/bin in the path before /bin |
| 01:46.24 | anoHito | halflife08, how do i check ? |
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| 01:47.05 | mredz | now ive jusdont think so |
| 01:47.14 | mredz | *dont think so |
| 01:47.17 | yitz_ | anoHito: When you disconnect, jobs usually get killed off |
| 01:47.26 | yitz_ | anoHito: You need disown/nohup/screen |
| 01:47.40 | anoHito | yitz_, oh,you meant disconnected from ssh ? |
| 01:47.44 | yitz_ | Yes |
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| 01:48.06 | anoHito | I see, please correct me with that command okay ? |
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| 01:49.32 | abrotman | gives damog whiskas |
| 01:50.02 | yitz_ | damog: EeePc. Limited packages in the repo. Very limited. Didn't get around to adding other repos. |
| 01:50.33 | yitz_ | How do I check if a partition is using journaling or not (ext2vs3)? |
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| 01:51.54 | anoHito | yitz_, i understand,you mean i run that after 'screen' right |
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| 01:52.33 | fisxoj | anyone having trouble with the dbus upgrade in sid? |
| 01:52.36 | yitz_ | anoHito: You can use the screen tool to open a shell, execute something in the shell and 'detach' the shell. You can later reconnect to the shell |
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| 01:53.31 | anoHito | yitz_, i see, so with 'screen',i do not need to put & in the end of the command right ? |
| 01:53.33 | SQlvpapir | hmm can I use module-assistant for a kernel not currently running? |
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| 01:53.48 | yitz_ | anoHito: Correct |
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| 01:53.58 | SQlvpapir | that would make it a lot easier to upgrade fglrx |
| 01:54.27 | anoHito | yitz_, Thanks |
| 01:54.39 | Tramp | yitz_: file -s /dev/whatever or tune2fs -l /dev/whatever |
| 01:54.55 | yitz_ | Thanks, Tramp |
| 01:55.05 | Tramp | yw |
| 01:55.30 | abrotman | SQlvpapir: seems like -l perhaps |
| 01:55.45 | Nikke | !tell Nikke nvidia |
| 01:55.52 | Nikke | :O |
| 01:55.53 | abrotman | !tell Nikke about msg the bot |
| 01:56.34 | Nikke | !tell me how to get proper nvidia drivers and replace gnome with xfce without any problems |
| 01:56.36 | Nikke | =) |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | !tell Nikke about msg the bot |
| 01:57.20 | Nikke | abrotman: nothing happens |
| 01:57.23 | Nikke | is the bot down or what? |
| 01:57.31 | abrotman | oh jeez .. yes it is |
| 01:57.35 | Nikke | hihi |
| 01:57.37 | abrotman | kicks dpkg |
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| 01:57.40 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 01:58.08 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg is not responding in channel or to commands (but works on OFTC) |
| 01:58.16 | abrotman | erm .. to msg .. but whatever |
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| 01:59.23 | jetscreamer | by the way, dpkg is borkened |
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| 02:00.02 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 02:01.25 | jetscreamer | what i can never figure out is how like when you give him a command and he returns 15 out of 158 possibilities, how you get to see the rest of the possibilities |
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| 02:01.54 | jetscreamer | like listkeys |
| 02:02.04 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 02:02.04 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 02:02.12 | Nikke | :( |
| 02:02.36 | yitz_ | Rebooting and hoping it actually starts up... |
| 02:02.40 | jetscreamer | you may now go priv with the bot... |
| 02:03.25 | pickcoder | I can not get the net.ipv6.conf.defauilt.forwarding to stay on via sysctl.conf in Lenny |
| 02:03.33 | pickcoder | ~default |
| 02:03.34 | apt | [default] a sub that just returns the requested element from the hash %default. |
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| 02:05.20 | pickcoder | having to set the "default" and "all" settings via echo is really annoying |
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| 02:08.34 | st3ven33 | I have fallowing partitions on my parents Debian computer in another city: sda1 / 5GB(0.1GB free); sda2 /home 193GB(100GB free); sda5 SWAP 2GB. They have no space left to install addition programs. Is there a possibility to install LVM, use symlink or something like that, other than shrink the size of sda2 over ssh and then extend sda1 over ssh? |
| 02:10.08 | dondelelcaro | st3ven33: yes, you could do something like make a file on /home which you mounted through loopback as /usr |
| 02:10.11 | smacnay | Are there any issues with Gnome and usb media right now? My usb devices no longer automount and when copying files to/from, it is painfully slow! |
| 02:10.34 | dondelelcaro | st3ven33: but the ideal method is to had set up the computer using lvm in the first place |
| 02:11.03 | st3ven33 | dondelelcaro: yep, but isn't it possible to install LVM now? |
| 02:11.12 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 02:11.22 | dondelelcaro | st3ven33: not easily |
| 02:11.27 | arkady_ | I've been searching for a good many hours trying to get an IP on my VPS |
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| 02:11.49 | arkady_ | is this anything that an ordinary user can do, or will it require someone actually configuring something on the host? |
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| 02:12.31 | dondelelcaro | arkady_: depends on your VPS |
| 02:13.20 | st3ven33 | dondelelcaro: so it would be wiser to try partitioning over ssh in that particular case? |
| 02:13.33 | anoHito | yitz_, i cannot terminate it with screen |
| 02:13.47 | st3ven33 | it is dangerous, but I have backups |
| 02:14.00 | yitz_ | anoHito: You need to disconnect the screen session. C^a, d |
| 02:14.00 | anoHito | yitz_, i run screen, the i run tcpdump -ni eth0 -l -s 0 -w- -U dst port 80 | egrep --text -i --line-buffered 'user-agent.*(bot|crawler|slurp|spider)' >/tmp/spider |
| 02:14.07 | dondelelcaro | st3ven33: if you have backups of everything on /home, then you could configure lvm using sda2 |
| 02:14.19 | anoHito | yitz_, after that,i ctrl+a, then ctrl+d |
| 02:14.31 | yitz_ | OK |
| 02:14.36 | anoHito | yitz_, it says its attached,then i use screen -r session id i can enter in it |
| 02:14.47 | anoHito | but there i can not input exit to termniate it |
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| 02:14.55 | anoHito | so i did ctrl + c |
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| 02:15.08 | yitz_ | anoHito: I thought you don't want it to terminate? |
| 02:15.14 | anoHito | yitz_, now i check screen -ls, says there is 5613.pts-7.server (Attached) |
| 02:15.28 | anoHito | but i can not enter in it anymore by screen -r sessionid |
| 02:15.38 | tabris | anoHito: try -x |
| 02:15.42 | arkady_ | dondelelcaro: well, I'm using fsckvps, I have no access to the hardware node of course |
| 02:15.48 | tabris | anoHito: you can't -r to an alraedy attached screen, but you can -x |
| 02:15.48 | anoHito | yitz_, i mean,i can take control of it . |
| 02:16.08 | Kobaz | http://pastebin.com/m365300a9 i'm seeing some errors from a php cron job |
| 02:16.08 | yitz_ | anoHito: ssh > screen > program > ctrl+a,ctrl+d > disconnect ssh session. Later: ssh > screen -r |
| 02:16.09 | arkady_ | dondelelcaro: it's using HyperVM, and the default image does NOT connect to the network, and there's no sign of what IP I should even try with |
| 02:16.23 | yitz_ | anoHito: Try screen -dr |
| 02:16.23 | anoHito | tabris, Attaching from inside of screen? |
| 02:16.32 | dondelelcaro | arkady_: I have no clue about either of those. Talk to your VPS provider? |
| 02:16.42 | yitz_ | anoHito: And don't attach from inside screen |
| 02:16.45 | tabris | anoHito: if you're _inside_ the screen, then there is nothing ot -r to |
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| 02:17.10 | anoHito | is there a resolution that i can terminiate it whether i am in ssh or not ? |
| 02:17.23 | tabris | anoHito: well, sure. kill 5613 |
| 02:17.25 | tabris | anoHito: but why? |
| 02:17.32 | tabris | just disconnect, Ctrl-A, Ctrl-D |
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| 02:17.41 | yitz_ | anoHito: ssh > screen > program > ctrl+a,ctrl+d > disconnect ssh session. Later: ssh > screen -r |
| 02:17.55 | arkady_ | dondelelcaro: well, they are nonresponsive |
| 02:18.03 | arkady_ | dondelelcaro: cheap, but very very slow |
| 02:18.46 | anoHito | yitz_, have to disconnect from ssh first ? |
| 02:19.11 | tabris | anoHito: no. |
| 02:19.13 | anoHito | i am confused |
| 02:19.17 | tabris | anoHito: we noticed. |
| 02:19.38 | anoHito | i mean after i run screen, then that command, after that i want to get back to the command line without terminating its running |
| 02:19.49 | yitz_ | anoHito: You don't need to. The point is you *can* disconnect without having the program getting killed off |
| 02:19.54 | anoHito | i ctrl - a ,then ctrl - d,right ? |
| 02:20.11 | yitz_ | anoHito: Why do you want to get back to the command line? |
| 02:20.37 | Kobaz | anoHito: ctrl-a d |
| 02:20.41 | Kobaz | anoHito: no control d |
| 02:20.57 | yitz_ | Kobaz: Either works |
| 02:21.03 | Kobaz | yitz_: yeah i just noticed that, heh |
| 02:21.03 | anoHito | it would be inconvience that i cannot get back to command line afte run screen without termniating the running program. |
| 02:21.13 | Kobaz | anoHito: you can |
| 02:21.18 | tabris | anoHito: seriously, stop worrying about it |
| 02:21.26 | yitz_ | anoHito: You can use & |
| 02:21.30 | tabris | anoHito: many of us use screen for a long time, it just plain works. |
| 02:21.30 | Kobaz | anoHito: i do it all the time |
| 02:21.41 | yitz_ | Or you can read up on man and use ctrl+c, ctrl+p and ctrl+n |
| 02:21.44 | tabris | and if you want to start a screen w/o attaching, try this: screen -dm <yourcommandhere> |
| 02:21.51 | Kobaz | anoHito: screen... run program... detach... back to main shell |
| 02:22.16 | tabris | or better, screen -dmS <oneworddescription> <your command here> |
| 02:23.24 | anoHito | Kobaz, ctrol - a d, after that, i have to use kill to kill screen |
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| 02:23.44 | tabris | anoHito: no. you don't. seriously |
| 02:23.53 | tabris | anoHito: if you want to exit from a running screen session, try just saying 'exit' |
| 02:24.02 | tabris | or Ctrl-D (for 'logout') |
| 02:24.13 | tabris | or Ctrl-A k, to kill the current screen window |
| 02:24.28 | tabris | please do not make it more complicated than necessary. |
| 02:24.34 | Kobaz | anoHito: try it instead of thinking about it, and you'll see |
| 02:25.26 | anoHito | tabris, i am totally confused ... my goal is after run screen with the program,i can get back to command line ,i can log back in screen to check the status and stuff even i can terminate it completely without having to disconnect from ssh. |
| 02:25.57 | tabris | anoHito: yes. you can. stop overthinking. |
| 02:26.07 | Kobaz | anoHito: just do it |
| 02:26.09 | anoHito | okay |
| 02:26.11 | tabris | Nike! |
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| 02:29.16 | anoHito | now i run screen -r 5772 ,i am in, how do i get back to command line ? |
| 02:29.25 | anoHito | that 5772 is running |
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| 02:32.17 | anoHito | got it. :) |
| 02:32.28 | anoHito | Thanks all for explainations. |
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| 02:36.59 | ae | does anyone know how to install a old version of a package? I want to roll back to php for some debugging |
| 02:37.31 | cast | dpkg -i it |
| 02:37.31 | dpkg | removes a kidney from cast and replaces it with it |
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| 02:38.20 | ae | what will that do to the current version? |
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| 02:39.17 | pyrohotdog | How can I undo damage done my changing my boot screen from the command line? |
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| 02:43.20 | pyrohotdog | My hard drive is encrypted and I changed my bootsplash...now I can't enter my password. Hence, no boot. |
| 02:45.39 | mosno | pyrohotdog: turn off the bootsplash paramter? |
| 02:46.39 | cast | pyrohotdog: boot from a livecd and fix things? |
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| 02:50.20 | pyrohotdog | cast: I changed it from the gui, how do I do it via command line? |
| 02:50.56 | cast | i do not know, my gui doesn't have that functionality |
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| 02:52.41 | pyrohotdog | I forget the name of the program I used... |
| 02:53.03 | pyrohotdog | boot-manager or something. (It's been awhile since I tanked it) |
| 02:53.04 | magyar | hi, whay is the split with "linux-image-2.6.26-1" and "linux-image-2.6.26-2" on lenny? |
| 02:53.15 | magyar | s/whay/why |
| 02:54.06 | mns | I want to get a list of all the web servers available in Debian. So I am using the following command: aptitude search "?tag(web::server)" but it returns nothing. Am I doing something wrong ? Did I misinterpret the aptitude ref manual ? |
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| 02:57.54 | djcip | does anyone in here use BlueJ and know how to make the GUI look better? |
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| 02:58.40 | swolchok | is there an easy debian way to run two instances of apache2? |
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| 02:59.02 | swolchok | I will eventually need to run them under strace as well, which I currently do with 1 instance with $ sudo strace -f apache2ctl start |
| 02:59.16 | swolchok | and by "eventually", I mean "immediately" |
| 02:59.46 | djcip | swolchok: why would you do that? |
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| 03:01.12 | swolchok | djcip: I'm a grad student and this is for research |
| 03:01.39 | swolchok | good system administration be damned, it's a prototype! =) |
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| 03:02.21 | djcip | hahaha ok |
| 03:02.23 | dbbolton | which version of kde is currently in squeeze? |
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| 03:02.32 | djcip | i thought this was the whole point of vhosts |
| 03:02.33 | swolchok | dbbolton: http://packages.debian.org/kde |
| 03:02.42 | swolchok | djcip: no, honest, i really do want separate instances |
| 03:02.43 | abrotman | probably still 3.x |
| 03:02.53 | djcip | but... why? |
| 03:03.01 | djcip | what would that get you? |
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| 03:03.55 | dbbolton | swolchok that just says the version of the package as far as i cant ell |
| 03:04.03 | swolchok | djcip: replication |
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| 03:04.24 | djcip | well yah lol - but what does that enable you to do? |
| 03:04.33 | djcip | that you can't do with 1 instance |
| 03:04.38 | swolchok | djcip: for related work, see http://www.ics.uci.edu/~bsalamat/files/eurosys09.pdf |
| 03:05.19 | swolchok | in brief, you might replicate a service and fuzz it slightly to get resilience against buffer overflows. that's not what i'm doing, but it's definitely related |
| 03:05.54 | djcip | oh ok |
| 03:05.55 | swolchok | this is different from one instance with multiple request handling processes because the process with the listen socket is still not replicated in that case |
| 03:06.28 | swolchok | anyway, i take it that the answer to my question is "no, we leave that for grad students with increasingly-annoyed advisors" |
| 03:06.50 | djcip | hahaha yah |
| 03:06.52 | djcip | of course |
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| 03:07.47 | swolchok | definitely glad i'm moving to attack research -- uses practical skillz better |
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| 03:15.23 | mns | Is there anything one has to do in order to use aptitude to search using debtags ? |
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| 03:16.32 | ttuttle | has a shiny new 5.0.0 install. What's different in 5.0.1? |
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| 03:19.18 | mosno | ttuttle: i assume there are release notes somewhere, even though i can't see them |
| 03:19.26 | ttuttle | mosno: ah |
| 03:19.33 | ttuttle | mosno: I assume apt-get will happily bring me up to date? |
| 03:19.43 | mosno | ttuttle: i personally use aptitude |
| 03:20.19 | ttuttle | mosno: ...or aptitude. |
| 03:21.09 | mosno | ttuttle: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg00005.html |
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| 03:21.43 | jetscreamer | install debtags maybe |
| 03:22.00 | jetscreamer | !info debtags |
| 03:22.02 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 03:22.09 | mosno | ttuttle: aptitude will work, assuming your sources.list is sane |
| 03:22.20 | mosno | ttuttle: (of course) |
| 03:22.30 | ttuttle | So 5.0.1 is just a bump to keep the install media up to date. |
| 03:22.31 | dpkg | debtags: (Enables support for package tags), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.7.9 (sid), Packaged size: 657 kB, Installed size: 1000 kB |
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| 03:26.51 | pyrohotdog | How do I boot an encrypted partition from the command line? |
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| 03:27.05 | pyrohotdog | Sorry, MOUNT not boot... |
| 03:27.42 | cast | use cryptsetup |
| 03:27.58 | cast | then mount the relevant /dev/mapper/thing |
| 03:28.14 | mosno | ttuttle: no idea, probably |
| 03:28.16 | cast | if you've used lvm, then there's an extra step inbetween |
| 03:28.35 | mosno | ttuttle: yea |
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| 03:29.40 | mosno | ttuttle: although i don't see CDs for 5.0.1, just 5.0.0 |
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| 03:30.41 | mosno | pyrohotdog: did you try removing the kernel parameter which causes bootsplash to be invoked? |
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| 03:31.10 | pyrohotdog | mosno: I would if I knew how... |
| 03:31.29 | Pulpie | i have a radeon 9800 and the last time I tried the fglrx or radeon drivers via the help bot in this channel they both failed. What can I use for my radeon 9800 for drivers and how do I set them up. |
| 03:31.38 | mosno | pyrohotdog: on the grub boot menu, do 'e' |
| 03:31.45 | mosno | pyrohotdog: for the entry you want to modify |
| 03:32.09 | mosno | pyrohotdog: one of the parameters of the kernel will be "splash" or something (i don't know, i don't use it) |
| 03:32.19 | mosno | just delete that parameter and 'b' to boot |
| 03:32.41 | mosno | at least that's how it works on Fedora, Ubuntu, SUSE, ... |
| 03:33.08 | pyrohotdog | mosno: I use yaboot.... |
| 03:33.34 | mosno | pyrohotdog: well consult the yaboot docs |
| 03:34.07 | mosno | just uses i386 |
| 03:34.28 | dlynes | Hello, I've done an apt-pinning to add in glibc from unstable to a standard etch distribution....everything was working just ducky....until....debian prompted me a couple of days later to update 1200 some odd packages through the auto updater....about 75-80% of the way through it, it was grinding away at the hard drive like crazy, became so unresponsive that I couldn't ssh in, couldn't... |
| 03:34.29 | dlynes | ...alt-f2 to a vc, no mouse pointer, ... so I shut the damned thing down using the power button....tried to boot it back up, and now I get a bunch of "cs: IO port probe" messages which look like the normal ones you get on bootup, and then it locks up |
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| 03:37.20 | Pulpie | i have a radeon 9800 and the last time I tried the fglrx or radeon drivers via the help bot in this channel they both failed. What can I use for my radeon 9800 for drivers and how do I set them up? |
| 03:37.36 | dlynes | After about 2 to 3 minutes, it comes out of it and starts checking my hard drive |
| 03:38.28 | dlynes | Then I get an 'OOM-killer' kernel panic? |
| 03:39.38 | dlynes | And then "Out of Memory: Kill process 2 (migration/0) score 0 and children." spammed to my screen |
| 03:39.57 | dlynes | Any idea what could be causing this, and especially how to fix it? |
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| 03:41.03 | Glert | hi. my keyboard is not working after upgrading to kde4. it works fine in login in kdm, but then stops. also, windows have no window manager border, like x to close etc, and only KDE apps start at all. |
| 03:41.06 | Glert | any help? |
| 03:41.14 | wrin | How can I use APT to show me all installed packages in contrib and non-free? |
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| 03:42.12 | cast | wrin: vrms does something, might be relevant :) |
| 03:43.15 | dondelelcaro | wrin: aptitude search '?installed?section(contrib)' |
| 03:43.48 | dondelelcaro | (or for both, ?installed?or(?section(contrib)?section(non-free)) |
| 03:43.55 | indigoflux | I recently tried to install Debian on a PowerEdge 2550 with RAID and LVM, but for some reason it can't boot up with the message "Volume group "nyx" not found." (nyx is the server name) Any ideas? |
| 03:44.19 | wrin | cast: vrms is awesome |
| 03:44.34 | wrin | dondelelcaro: Thank you this is the correct answer to my original question. |
| 03:44.44 | topgun17 | indigoflux: Probabaly a missing driver |
| 03:44.46 | wrin | I'm at the acetarium right now ;-) |
| 03:44.57 | dondelelcaro | wrin: ah, cool |
| 03:45.09 | dlynes | If it helps at all, this is during single user mode during bootup, on an ext3 fs check |
| 03:45.17 | dlynes | There's no reason in hell it should be running out of memory |
| 03:45.21 | dondelelcaro | wrin: tell mika and mako hi. ;-) |
| 03:45.43 | wrin | Aye, will do! =D |
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| 03:47.14 | indigoflux | topgun17: RAID or LVM? Cause the installer detected everything properly... |
| 03:48.38 | topgun17 | indigoflux: What raid controller card does this power edge have the perc one dell offers as afactory install or a thirdparty device? |
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| 03:48.47 | indigoflux | The PERC |
| 03:49.20 | topgun17 | indigoflux: have you check the boot device order? |
| 03:49.48 | indigoflux | Let me check it. |
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| 03:52.07 | indigoflux | Hm, seems the System BIOS controller was above the PERC in boot order, let me see if changing it fixes it. |
| 03:52.41 | topgun17 | indigoflux: change it up and report back to me please |
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| 03:54.00 | dbbddbdb | Hi! What is the right way to set keyboard layouts for XDM now? I recently upgraded to the latest xserver-xorg (unstable) and GDM and XDM won't read keyboard configuration from xorg.conf anymore. |
| 03:54.15 | dbbddbdb | I tried setting it in /etc/default/console-tools without any success. |
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| 03:55.18 | dbbddbdb | It also repeats http://paste.defun.ru/d387793d4 twice in the xdm log. |
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| 03:56.57 | indigoflux | topgun17: Nah, same error. |
| 03:57.11 | asdfqwer | If I'm binding a mount in fstab and want my my mount point to be shared (--make-shared) do I need to specify this in fstab? |
| 03:57.21 | asdfqwer | or will mtab just remember this? |
| 03:57.34 | topgun17 | indigoflux: arte there any important files on this system? |
| 03:57.44 | indigoflux | topgun17: I just installed it. |
| 03:57.55 | asdfqwer | /dev/orig /mount/this none bind 0 0 is what I got in fstab |
| 03:58.57 | asdfqwer | man mount is somewhat elusive by referencing me here, Detailed semantics |
| 03:58.58 | asdfqwer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.58 | asdfqwer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.42 | Pulpie | whats the best flash player? |
| 03:59.43 | topgun17 | It might be worth areinstall now that we have figuredout the boot order issue indigoflux |
| 04:00.06 | topgun17 | Pulpie: gnash |
| 04:01.07 | Pulpie | topgun17: how do i make sure i am using it, is it installed with iceweasel? |
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| 04:01.08 | indigoflux | topgun17: BTW, after a while, it drops me to an initramfs prompt with the error "ALERT! /dev/mapper/nyx-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" |
| 04:01.08 | deadlyallance183 | is there a way to make a remaster of my installed system like dreamlinux has the make distro tool ? |
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| 04:01.33 | Pulpie | topgun17: there was a flash player that was preinstalled on debian and its pretty crappy, im wondering if its the best flash support. |
| 04:01.37 | topgun17 | indigoflux: reinstall |
| 04:01.56 | indigoflux | Kk. |
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| 04:02.50 | Dougy[home] | I have a intel dg33tl with a e4600 in it. i can instlal debian fien |
| 04:02.51 | Dougy[home] | fine |
| 04:02.55 | Dougy[home] | when i reboot, no bootable device |
| 04:02.58 | Dougy[home] | what would cause that |
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| 04:05.19 | Adrian` | is there a boot flag on your boot partition? |
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| 04:05.29 | klemmer19 | wondering if anyone is willing to help a linux novice with xinerama support for 2 different display adapters - my xorg.conf is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/150576/ |
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| 04:07.02 | topgun17 | klemmer19: Please direct this question to #ubuntu |
| 04:07.06 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ <--Errata |
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| 04:08.03 | klemmer19 | topgun17: i did but didnt get any help - was just fishing for help in another channel |
| 04:09.17 | deadlyallance183 | is there a way to make a remaster of my installed system like dreamlinux has the make distro tool ? |
| 04:09.23 | topgun17 | klemmer19: I would love to asist you but I haven't used xinerama |
| 04:09.52 | jetscreamer | klemmer19: #xorg maybe |
| 04:09.59 | klemmer19 | topgun17: is there a tool i can use to better understand why my xorg.config might be invalid? |
| 04:10.03 | jetscreamer | it sounds kinda xorgish |
| 04:10.23 | topgun17 | have you tired the man pages @ man xinerama klemmer19 |
| 04:10.32 | jetscreamer | klemmer19: ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/index.html |
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| 04:10.45 | jetscreamer | or whatever version |
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| 04:11.55 | klemmer19 | i have not - but i guess i didn't know where to start, topgun17 & jetscreamer - i followed a how-to on the ubuntu forums and now i get an error that my xorg.conf may be invalid |
| 04:11.56 | topgun17 | I am getting ready to go Al commando on this Dell dimension 4600c due to its measly 2GB of ram. |
| 04:12.16 | jetscreamer | yeah still 7.0 for the main docs |
| 04:12.34 | topgun17 | klemmer19: xconfigure |
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| 04:13.51 | cast | sits quetly with 4gb of disk and .5gb of ram |
| 04:14.29 | topgun17 | cast isn't 4gb alittle under partitioned? |
| 04:14.49 | topgun17 | oops I meant under sized |
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| 04:15.24 | Pulpie | whats the app that contains xgears? |
| 04:15.30 | topgun17 | klemmer19: Next tim follow the documentation |
| 04:15.57 | cast | topgun17: goes ok, 2.3gb for /home, rest for / |
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| 04:17.45 | indigoflux | topgun17: I'm going to try updating from the net only after I install from CD now, not while. |
| 04:18.17 | topgun17 | good call indigoflux |
| 04:18.37 | indigoflux | Cause there was a kernel update... that might have caused the problem. |
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| 04:18.55 | topgun17 | indigoflux: So i take it the boot to cd went with out errors? |
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| 04:19.04 | indigoflux | Yeah, without. |
| 04:19.22 | indigoflux | It installs fine, just when it reboots it has a problem. |
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| 04:20.13 | topgun17 | indigoflux: are you usinh the netinstall cd? |
| 04:20.29 | indigoflux | Nah, I'm using the CD1 ISO |
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| 04:21.15 | topgun17 | indigoflux: grab your seldf a netinstall imege |
| 04:22.42 | indigoflux | I'll try that if this install fails. |
| 04:23.22 | topgun17 | 6~cya I am going to bed |
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| 04:25.50 | PeterFA | Does Debian Squeeze have a low-latency kernel? |
| 04:26.04 | PeterFA | I think I know what's causing my horrible media play-back. |
| 04:26.07 | deonild | so what's this if /join #channel says cannot join (requires keyword) this is some password I gotta find? |
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| 04:26.37 | Manoj | ok. There have been a flurry of new kernel-package uploads into Sid (8 versions in the last 6 days), but I think I am done for the moment. |
| 04:26.46 | klaz168 | deonild, yes. #channel has a +k |
| 04:26.58 | Manoj | all reported bugs in the new functionality have been fixed. |
| 04:26.59 | deonild | I see the first commericial on TV I that actually has soem interest to me... and I can;t join it's irc. |
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| 04:27.14 | Pulpie | whats the app that contains xgears? |
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| 04:27.42 | Pulpie | or whats the package that contains the app xgears |
| 04:27.51 | Manoj | the only known deficient area is the support for building XEN dom0 kernels |
| 04:28.13 | liable | Pulpie: xbase-utils (i think, it might have changed) |
| 04:28.36 | Pulpie | liable: its not there |
| 04:28.39 | liable | hmm, nope |
| 04:28.51 | Pulpie | it should be in mesa-utils last time i checked |
| 04:28.53 | Pulpie | but its not there |
| 04:29.05 | Pulpie | if i apt-cache search xgears it shows up with that package |
| 04:29.16 | Pulpie | but I have it installed and its still an unknown command. |
| 04:29.39 | liable | its glxgears |
| 04:29.43 | Pulpie | ahh |
| 04:29.45 | Pulpie | ty |
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| 04:30.59 | Pulpie | what are good fps for xgears on a radeon 9800 (10 years old) gives me 1573 fps in glxgears |
| 04:32.08 | indigoflux | Hm, reinstall apparently doesn't fix the LVM problem... |
| 04:32.48 | klaz168 | Pulpie, depends on the card.. but for a 10 years old card.. thats good i think |
| 04:33.18 | klaz168 | even better than my onboard </3 |
| 04:33.21 | Pulpie | klaz168: yeah i dont think vesa would do 1.5k fps and that was main concern. |
| 04:34.21 | PeterFA | Would I get performance degradation if I set the timer resolution too high? |
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| 04:35.40 | Pulpie | timer reesolution of what? |
| 04:37.58 | dbbddbdb | PeterFA: yes. I don't know about newer CPUs, but on pre-1GHz Pentiums it is very noticeable. |
| 04:39.26 | PeterFA | dbbddbdb, well, that does make sense. I have a 2Gig CPU and I've noticed a lot of sluggishness with it. I however always try to set the timer as high as I can. |
| 04:39.43 | PeterFA | dbbddbdb, however, this isn't my configuration, this is a Debian stock kernel. |
| 04:40.06 | PeterFA | dbbddbdb, what does the timer resolution do exactly? |
| 04:42.51 | dbbddbdb | PeterFA: higher resolution means you can measure time with greater precision. |
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| 04:43.06 | dbbddbdb | But if you don't have a tickless kernel, you'll get a timer interrupt for every tick. |
| 04:43.34 | dbbddbdb | Hm, I reinstalled Xorg and Xdm and they still give this (in Xorg.0.log): |
| 04:43.35 | PeterFA | dbbddbdb, ok, how do I find out if my running kernel is tickless? |
| 04:43.39 | dbbddbdb | (EE) Couldn't open compiled keymap file /var/lib/xkb/server-0.xkm |
| 04:43.39 | dbbddbdb | (WW) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap |
| 04:44.26 | dbbddbdb | As far as I understand, xkbcomp is called from the X binary every time. Can it be version mismatch between xserver-xorg-core (1.6.0) and x11-xkb-utils? |
| 04:44.30 | simonrvn | PeterFA: it should say so in the kernel's config |
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| 04:44.47 | simonrvn | it calls cpp IIRC |
| 04:45.13 | PeterFA | simonrvn, is there a /proc interface for this? |
| 04:45.34 | simonrvn | not in the debian kernels. see /boot |
| 04:46.01 | PeterFA | You know what? Forget I asked that. Instead, I need an article or something that explains what's going on with timers and such. |
| 04:46.14 | PeterFA | Because this is all new to me. |
| 04:46.37 | PeterFA | On the pragmatic side of things, how do I find the optimal rtc setting? |
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| 04:47.39 | PeterFA | Blech, Vital Yew tastes disgusting. |
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| 05:02.15 | mxmx | hi |
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| 05:03.31 | dlynes | How would I go about replacing an fscked version of e2fslibs? |
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| 05:04.03 | dlynes | It got installed by unstable updates, and I've since commented out unstable updates |
| 05:04.53 | dbbddbdb | dlynes: downgrade? |
| 05:05.03 | mxmx | wocan i vew the last part of my lighttpd log? |
| 05:05.09 | simonrvn | install the stabl;e or testing one you want? |
| 05:05.20 | mxmx | toolarge ofa file |
| 05:05.23 | dlynes | dbbddbdb: And how do you downgrade? |
| 05:05.29 | [biabia] | how would you pronounce the name of this channel/os aloud |
| 05:06.08 | dlynes | dbbddbdb: is there a special switch that i need to apply to apt-get to force it to do the downgrade? |
| 05:06.43 | [biabia] | because i used to think linux was pronounced lie nucks, and i ended up being wrong |
| 05:07.07 | dbbddbdb | dlynes: man apt-get says install pkg [ { =pkg_version_number |
| 05:07.13 | dlynes | [biabia]: deh-bee-uhn |
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| 05:08.04 | [biabia] | ok. i dont mean to challenge you but, i heard someone today pronounce it: dee bee n and it confused me |
| 05:08.29 | dlynes | dbbddbdb: hrm...ok...I've checked the man page on it before for the '-f' switch, and the switch wasn't there, so I've been thinking the man page wasn't worth a bowl of beans...thanks |
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| 05:08.53 | dbbddbdb | dlynes: -f switch is there. |
| 05:08.57 | dlynes | [biabia]: what's the difference? |
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| 05:09.17 | prince_jammys | Debbie Anne |
| 05:09.42 | mxmx | anyone? |
| 05:09.58 | dlynes | maybe it was '-a', then |
| 05:10.01 | [biabia] | dlynes: the long e sound in first sykllable |
| 05:10.14 | dlynes | it was some switch that wasn't documented in the apt-get --help or man apt-get docs |
| 05:11.16 | dbbddbdb | mxmx: man tail |
| 05:11.40 | mxmx | thanks |
| 05:12.42 | Manoj | Debra + Ian |
| 05:13.32 | Manoj | the first syllable is not quite debbie |
| 05:13.36 | dbbddbdb | Hm, I wiped everything X-related clean and reinstalled it again, and the terrible qwerty layout went away. Phew. |
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| 05:15.39 | dbbddbdb | (whine '(Why does X have to be such PITA to update? They silently break compatibility, stop reading xorg.conf for no reason, have five zillion different formats and don't ever use timestamps in logs.)) |
| 05:17.08 | simonrvn | [biabia]: they said it incorrectly... |
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| 05:22.57 | Manoj | the deb in debra is pronounced so as to rhyme with dep in dependency |
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| 05:24.49 | mosno | "deb as in web" |
| 05:25.31 | mosno | "debian as in lesbian" |
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| 05:27.15 | izua | now that's a good argument over slackware. |
| 05:27.32 | izua | or any other distro. |
| 05:27.44 | prince_jammys | like nubian, but with deb instead of noob. like lesbian, minus the s, and an l instead of d |
| 05:28.07 | mosno | prince_jammys: you mean 'd instead of l' |
| 05:28.19 | prince_jammys | yes, sorry |
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| 05:28.27 | mosno | prince_jammys: in any case, i like my terse explanation better :) |
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| 05:28.57 | prince_jammys | like equestrian, but with deb instead of equestr |
| 05:29.03 | mosno | goes back into his box |
| 05:29.09 | prince_jammys | too |
| 05:29.13 | Skept | Heya, my battery isnt being detected. It says the directory /proc/acpi/battery doesnt exist. How can I troibleshoot it? |
| 05:30.40 | dlynes | Skept: you're not loading the kernel module that creates that file |
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| 05:31.43 | Skept | Which module would that be? |
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| 05:34.54 | Skept | dlynes: Gotcha "battery" is the module. Thanks |
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| 05:38.15 | jetscreamer | battery is like autoloaded with a stock kernel |
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| 05:39.16 | pyrohotdog | How do I change the bootsplash theme via command line? |
| 05:39.56 | Skept | jetscreamer: Actually, what happened was I ran apt-get update ; then upgrade a couple of days back. It upgraded a couple of packages. I dont remember which packages though. Yesterday I rebooted it and after the reboot the trackpad and battery werent detected |
| 05:40.17 | Skept | splashy_config? |
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| 05:45.39 | Wolfcastle | hello |
| 05:46.14 | Wolfcastle | how can I install an update that I have as a local deb package? |
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| 05:46.30 | Wolfcastle | dpkg -i package.deb gives me an error saying the program is already installed |
| 05:46.30 | dpkg | package package.deb gives me an error saying the program is already installed is already installed |
| 05:47.10 | dondelelcaro | Wolfcastle: it's not an error, it just says that it's already installed, and either reinstalls it or upgrades it |
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| 05:47.42 | Wolfcastle | so how do I upgrade it? |
| 05:47.52 | dondelelcaro | Wolfcastle: you just did |
| 05:48.07 | dondelelcaro | (that's not an error, it's an informative message) |
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| 05:48.31 | Wolfcastle | dondelelcaro: do you speak spanish? |
| 05:48.41 | dondelelcaro | but if you want, paste the full output including the command, and I can double check the command for you |
| 05:48.44 | dondelelcaro | Wolfcastle: no |
| 05:48.54 | dondelelcaro | (well, not well enough for it to matter, anyway) |
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| 05:49.17 | Wolfcastle | the thing is the output is in spanish...but it clearly says there's been an error and the package was not installed |
| 05:49.28 | dondelelcaro | Wolfcastle: LANG=C dpkg -i foopkg.deb; |
| 05:49.52 | Wolfcastle | ah thanx |
| 05:49.53 | dondelelcaro | Wolfcastle: that'll generate output that I can read |
| 05:51.04 | Wolfcastle | http://pastebin.com/d57a7eddb |
| 05:51.53 | dondelelcaro | Wolfcastle: ah, you need to run dpkg --remove virtualbox-2.1; dpkg -i virtualbox-2.2blahblah; |
| 05:52.30 | Wolfcastle | ok but will I loose config files and virtual hard disks when doing so? |
| 05:52.58 | Wolfcastle | 'cause if so I'd rather not update |
| 05:53.17 | simonrvn | not with --remove, no |
| 05:53.28 | simonrvn | man dpkg |
| 05:53.29 | Wolfcastle | ah ok cool, thank you |
| 05:53.30 | dondelelcaro | Wolfcastle: you shouldn't with --remove, but that's not an official package, so i've no clue. |
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| 05:53.58 | Wolfcastle | btw as long as we are on the subjet, do you know how to install a local package with dependency solving? |
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| 05:54.22 | dondelelcaro | Wolfcastle: put it in a local repository and point your sources.list at it |
| 05:54.57 | Wolfcastle | ok hehe that sounds like a huge workaround |
| 05:55.20 | Wolfcastle | is it hard to create a local repository? |
| 05:56.12 | dondelelcaro | Wolfcastle: nope |
| 05:56.31 | Wolfcastle | ok thanx |
| 05:56.34 | Wolfcastle | appreciate it |
| 05:56.36 | dondelelcaro | Wolfcastle: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/bin/build_archive; is a simple script that does it, for example |
| 05:57.10 | pyrohotdog | How can I disable usplash from the console? The theme I just installed prevents me from entering my LUKS password... |
| 05:57.22 | dondelelcaro | Wolfcastle: you'd basically mkdir -p /path/to/foo; cd /path/to/foo; build_archive; and add a deb file:///path/to/foo ./ to your sources.list, then run aptitude update; aptitude install blahblahblah; |
| 05:59.06 | Wolfcastle | ok thanx for the help |
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| 06:00.19 | ssamoon | hey there... I can't select anything but ext and swap when creating partitions in gparted.. how do i get FAT support? |
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| 06:01.29 | dondelelcaro | ssamoon: you don't have ntfsprogs installed, most likely |
| 06:01.55 | ssamoon | dondelelcaro: ah, since i just wanted fat and not ntfs i didn |
| 06:02.01 | ssamoon | 't get those packages, i'll try that |
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| 06:03.18 | ssamoon | ah now i can select NTFS.. but still not fat |
| 06:03.25 | dondelelcaro | actually, it may not support resizign fat filesystems... but you'll want dosfstools too |
| 06:03.32 | ssamoon | need something that I can read on both debian and mac OS |
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| 06:04.04 | dondelelcaro | ssamoon: and in the worst case, you can create the partition, and then use mkfs.vfat outside of gparted |
| 06:05.13 | ssamoon | ah, dosfstools did it, thank you |
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| 06:07.17 | ssamoon | sorry IM terminal was getting scrambled. not able to format with gparted, can't delete one of the partitions for some reason.. whats the best way to completely nuke this drive? |
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| 06:08.00 | ssamoon | the drive was formatted by mac OS, mac OS partition record will not delete... |
| 06:08.09 | dondelelcaro | ssamoon: fdisk will do it for you |
| 06:08.55 | dondelelcaro | ssamoon: you can also dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/foo bs=1M count=2; which will clear out the partition table too |
| 06:10.01 | ssamoon | dondelelcaro: trying cfdisk, will see if it chokes, then i will try that... thanks |
| 06:10.10 | SPF | I'm trying to install package php4-mysql |
| 06:10.13 | ssamoon | so many FS types, christ! |
| 06:10.17 | SPF | but apparently it doesn't exist in lenny? |
| 06:11.03 | dondelelcaro | SPF: we don't distribute php4 anymore |
| 06:11.42 | SPF | I was afraid of that |
| 06:11.53 | SPF | now some of my websites aren't working anymore |
| 06:12.06 | dondelelcaro | SPF: support for php4 has been discontinued since 2007-12-31, so it's really time to upgrade. |
| 06:12.30 | dondelelcaro | (and if your websites aren't working with php5, they're probably buggy anyway) |
| 06:13.28 | dlynes | I guess the only way to fix a completely fuxored debian install (it was working fine for about 2 years, until I tried an apt-pinning to upgrade glibc to 2.4), and then did an apt-get upgrade, is to do a fresh install? |
| 06:13.44 | dlynes | I'm running into an out of memory error on bootup with e2fsck |
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| 06:15.04 | dondelelcaro | dlynes: well, it's possible to fix it in other ways, but it's certainly the easiest way to explain |
| 06:15.19 | ssamoon | [ 9952.408933] FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors |
| 06:15.21 | ssamoon | [ 9952.408933] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdb1. |
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| 06:15.56 | dlynes | dondelelcaro: one of the other ways you have is a little less destructive, I'm guessing? |
| 06:16.28 | dlynes | dondelelcaro: I'd like to try to avoid have to do a fresh install/install over old install, if I possibly can |
| 06:17.08 | dondelelcaro | dlynes: anyway, which distribution are you running? |
| 06:17.18 | dlynes | dondelelcaro: etch |
| 06:17.25 | dondelelcaro | dlynes: do you want to upgrade to lenny? |
| 06:17.39 | dlynes | not unless I have to |
| 06:17.51 | dlynes | if it's going to fix my problem |
| 06:17.55 | dlynes | I don't mind |
| 06:18.14 | dlynes | seeing as how it couldn't get any worse than it already is |
| 06:18.14 | dondelelcaro | well, that'd probably be the easiest way to deal with what's going on, since it's libc6 is older than 2.4 |
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| 06:18.16 | ssamoon | dondelelcaro: thanks, used gparted to create a new partitoin table, now everything is rosy |
| 06:18.41 | dondelelcaro | dlynes: but anyway, your first step is to get the filesystems fscked, and then see what you've installed that doesn't belong to etch |
| 06:19.08 | dlynes | dondelelcaro: you mean like adobe air, adobe acrobat, tweetdeck, ...? |
| 06:19.14 | dondelelcaro | dlynes: you can do this by installing e2fsck-static or booting off of the install media in rescue mode and fscking it that way. |
| 06:19.35 | dondelelcaro | dlynes: no, I mean like packages that Debian provides that are from unstable or whatever you pinned at. |
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| 06:19.59 | dlynes | dondelelcaro: is there an easy way to find out which packages are from unstable? |
| 06:20.26 | dlynes | the fsck that's on there is fine...it just doesn't seem to like it when i'm booting up |
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| 06:20.40 | dlynes | when I'm booted up, it's just peachy keen, though |
| 06:20.46 | dlynes | i.e. if I chroot to it from the install cd |
| 06:21.21 | dondelelcaro | dlynes: hrm. well, installing e2fsck-static; should make it work regardless |
| 06:22.27 | dlynes | ok....i'll try that first, then |
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| 06:24.36 | dlynes | trying the bootup with that |
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| 06:27.43 | dlynes | didn't fix the bootup issue....going to try some extensive e2fsck's on the partitions from the live cd |
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| 06:29.56 | dondelelcaro | dlynes: hrm... what's the actual error that you're getting when you try to boot? |
| 06:30.38 | dlynes | It's an out of memory error caused by the oom-killer |
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| 06:30.59 | dlynes | fsck runs, oom-killer takes over, and then i get spammed with out of memory errors |
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| 06:32.53 | dlynes | before that, it seems to hang on the cs: ... driver messages |
| 06:33.05 | dlynes | I believe 'cs' is 'card services' for pcmcia |
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| 06:33.47 | dlynes | Is lenny still more stable than Redhat/Fedora/Centos? |
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| 06:34.51 | dondelelcaro | dlynes: yes |
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| 06:34.51 | dondelelcaro | dlynes: it's the current stable release |
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| 06:35.16 | Superdweeb | hey, where do I go to make feature requests? |
| 06:35.40 | dlynes | dondelelcaro: oh...thought etch was still the current stable |
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| 06:36.00 | dlynes | cool |
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| 06:37.17 | dlynes | No wonder I got prompted to upgrade something like 1200 packages yesterday(?) |
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| 06:37.47 | dlynes | I've only been using Debian since Etch |
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| 06:38.16 | dlynes | I'd tried it way back before version 1.0, but I wasn't impressed with it then...kept using Slackware up until recently |
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| 06:39.40 | dlynes | dondelelcaro: I surmise this happens to some people when the new version comes out? |
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| 06:40.05 | dlynes | dondelelcaro: and I guess that apt-pinning I did on 'unstable' probably just exascerbated the problem? |
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| 06:40.33 | dlynes | i.e. it was lousy timing for me to try the apt-pinning |
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| 06:41.26 | simonrvn | that doesn't help no. |
| 06:41.43 | simonrvn | i suggest waiting right now, you're in a net split situation ATM.... |
| 06:41.49 | simonrvn | we're* |
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| 06:42.15 | Superdweeb | simonrvn, who do I ask for a feature to be added? |
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| 06:42.54 | simonrvn | file a bug for it. WNPP bug IIRC |
| 06:42.56 | dondelelcaro | dlynes: hard to say, actually |
| 06:43.08 | Superdweeb | um, this is much bigger than a bug. |
| 06:43.09 | liable | freenode forget to pay the power bills again? ;) |
| 06:43.15 | dondelelcaro | dlynes: but it's possible. Anyway, I'd try to chroot from install media first, and complete the upgrade |
| 06:43.23 | Superdweeb | I'd like to discuss splitting sudo into suex and sued. |
| 06:43.24 | simonrvn | Superdweeb: this is how it works. |
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| 06:43.43 | Superdweeb | I've got to write it myself right? I thought you'd say that. |
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| 06:43.44 | dlynes | dondelelcaro: apt-get dist-upgrade lenny? |
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| 06:44.20 | dondelelcaro | !tell dlynes -about etch->lenny |
| 06:44.20 | dlynes | dondelelcaro: I've never used the 'dist-upgrade' command before |
| 06:44.30 | simonrvn | of course. ;). i sure aren't going to write it for you ;). |
| 06:44.37 | Superdweeb | dist-upgrade is awesome, just don't forget to append -f. |
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| 06:44.55 | dondelelcaro | -f isn't necessary in almost all cases |
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| 06:45.33 | Superdweeb | simonrvn, I keep doing stupid stuff like using sudo -s for a session, issuing all my apt commands, forgetting I'm root and svn update my repo. |
| 06:45.43 | dlynes | fsck seems to take forever :( |
| 06:45.53 | simonrvn | Superdweeb: not my problem. |
| 06:45.55 | dondelelcaro | Superdweeb: that's why you shouldn't use sudo -s |
| 06:45.59 | Superdweeb | No, but it's stupid. |
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| 06:46.11 | pyrohotdog | How can I disable usplash? |
| 06:46.30 | dlynes | Superdweeb: try doing that, but typing 'halt -p' on a remote machine that's 1000km away :) |
| 06:46.33 | Superdweeb | Sudo should not be able to do anything , at least some programs with massive-editing capacity should be restricted to require a manual sudo be appended to their name. |
| 06:46.35 | simonrvn | so stop doing stupid stuff ;). |
| 06:46.59 | dlynes | Superdweeb: that would teach you real fast to not do stuff like that :) |
| 06:47.08 | Superdweeb | in fact, it should be an established requirement that you manually type sudo, even as root, to any particularily dumb program. |
| 06:47.26 | Superdweeb | dlynes, I'm scared of encrypted home directories. |
| 06:47.38 | Superdweeb | but i can't go any further. |
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| 06:47.54 | Superdweeb | Not even here, I'm not safe from the dreaded admins. |
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| 06:48.09 | dondelelcaro | Superdweeb: sudo by default doesn't allow you to do anything |
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| 06:48.39 | Superdweeb | what? |
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| 06:49.13 | simonrvn | Superdweeb: take a look at a default debian sudoers file some time. |
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| 06:49.27 | dlynes | Superdweeb: don's correct...you actually have to enable people to be able to do something with sudo |
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| 06:49.51 | dlynes | Superdweeb: by default nobody except root can do anything with the sudo command |
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| 06:50.07 | dondelelcaro | Superdweeb: if you're concerned about being able to do things with sudo, you can also disable default shells or restrict users to a very specific set of commands |
| 06:50.17 | Superdweeb | Ok, I'm probably going to get kicked again for discussing this(I was in ubuntu+1), but can we specifically examine the case of encrypted loop-mounted directories? |
| 06:50.28 | dondelelcaro | Superdweeb: what about them? |
| 06:50.48 | Superdweeb | Well, let's assume I add a user that by default, I want to have no super-powers. |
| 06:50.57 | Superdweeb | totally-sub-level-zero-detention here. |
| 06:51.14 | dondelelcaro | uh... your average user doesn't have any special access |
| 06:51.17 | Superdweeb | Let's also assume he already has a home directory with millions of files on it. |
| 06:51.26 | Superdweeb | I can't go through them manually right? |
| 06:51.41 | Superdweeb | Perhaps some of them are even hidden or worse, if that is possible. |
| 06:52.04 | dondelelcaro | if you're root, you can do anything; if you're not, you can only access the files that access have been allowed to |
| 06:52.28 | dlynes | Superdweeb: by convention in unix/linux, if the filename/directory is prefixed with a '.', it's hidden, and only viewable if you use the '-a' switch to 'ls' |
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| 06:52.35 | Superdweeb | uhu |
| 06:52.48 | simonrvn | -a/-A |
| 06:52.50 | Superdweeb | I'm saying, can a user run a file that's owned by root? |
| 06:53.06 | simonrvn | depends... |
| 06:53.13 | dlynes | Superdweeb: yes, if it's given world execute and read permission |
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| 06:53.27 | Superdweeb | lets say it is , and it's located in this home dir somewhere. |
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| 06:54.05 | dlynes | Superdweeb: and then? |
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| 06:54.15 | Superdweeb | well, he demolishes my entire system. |
| 06:54.28 | dondelelcaro | how? |
| 06:54.28 | dlynes | Superdweeb: you mean rm -f /? |
| 06:54.30 | simonrvn | what? |
| 06:54.36 | dlynes | Superdweeb: erm rm -rf /? |
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| 06:54.59 | Superdweeb | who cares what specific mechanism he uses once he gains root execution capacity, my question is, can he do it if the file exists? |
| 06:55.25 | dlynes | Superdweeb: if that's the case, that's your fault for giving him access to chmod suid/sgid bits |
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| 06:55.32 | dondelelcaro | Superdweeb: uh... a file owned by root doesn't necessarily grant someone the ability to run things as root. |
| 06:55.42 | Superdweeb | what if it's already chmod'd like that? |
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| 06:56.00 | dondelelcaro | Superdweeb: then if it wasn't designed to be run setuid, that's your fault. |
| 06:56.03 | dlynes | Superdweeb: Why are you allowing him to transfer files in that have suid/sgid? |
| 06:56.04 | Trewas | Superdweeb: mount user's home directories with noexec if you are that paranoid |
| 06:56.10 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: that won't help |
| 06:56.26 | Trewas | dondelelcaro: hmm why? |
| 06:56.29 | dondelelcaro | well, it'd help for suexec stuff, but presumably you won't be making random things suexec |
| 06:56.55 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: because you can just /lib/ld-blah.so /path/to/executable |
| 06:57.29 | dondelelcaro | (and if you're concerned about suid, you'd nosuid) |
| 06:57.36 | Superdweeb | let's assume the encrypted partition has this file on it with suid, and I don't know about this file, this is my problem, it's very specific, and I have to install his partition in for his user to run, and I have to run his user. |
| 06:57.57 | dondelelcaro | Superdweeb: so mount this partition nosuid |
| 06:58.19 | Superdweeb | hmm... |
| 06:58.26 | Superdweeb | that's it? |
| 06:58.31 | dondelelcaro | Superdweeb: yes |
| 06:58.50 | Trewas | dondelelcaro: "This trick fails since Linux 2.4.25 / 2.6.0." says the mount man-page about that trick |
| 06:58.51 | Superdweeb | Now , because it's 2am, Can I take this just a wee bit further? |
| 06:59.00 | Superdweeb | pwees? |
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| 07:01.54 | Superdweeb | What if this file is actually embedded inside a video on my partition, is read by gnome-thumbnailer, installs itself through an exploit in gnome-thumbnailer(only a user process) , adds it'self as suid already, puts a line in my user login file, and executes itself the moment i run a super-user program? |
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| 07:02.59 | dondelelcaro | Superdweeb: if there are local root exploits, then they're exploitable |
| 07:03.11 | dondelelcaro | Superdweeb: those are bugs that we try to fix |
| 07:03.23 | Superdweeb | well let me just pose this idea once, just once, and I'll let you examine it. |
| 07:03.28 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: yeah, I'm just not sure how accurate that is; I know I've done it since then |
| 07:03.36 | Superdweeb | What about automatically de-suiding files located inside /home ? |
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| 07:03.57 | dlynes | Superdweeb: didn't you say /home was encrypted? |
| 07:04.06 | dondelelcaro | Superdweeb: uh... that's what nosuid does |
| 07:04.09 | Superdweeb | once it's mounted, it isn't. |
| 07:04.32 | Superdweeb | once it's mounted, it's like a basic directory tree, right? |
| 07:04.46 | Superdweeb | it's decrypted at mount into a loop file. |
| 07:05.05 | dondelelcaro | Superdweeb: and you'll probably want nodev as well. |
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| 07:05.32 | Superdweeb | the final question : will these interfere with my ability to run normal sudo files? |
| 07:05.48 | Superdweeb | I mean, sudo apt-get and soforth. |
| 07:05.52 | dondelelcaro | Superdweeb: sudo is in /usr/bin, so no. |
| 07:05.59 | Superdweeb | ok then. |
| 07:06.28 | dlynes | Superdweeb: no....these solutions only affect your ability to run suid files on /home/* |
| 07:06.39 | Superdweeb | not a problem. |
| 07:06.50 | Superdweeb | if it's outside of home, I'm going to assume it's ok for it to run. |
| 07:07.36 | dlynes | Superdweeb: if you want to get paranoid, and /tmp is a separately mounted permission (and /usr/local/tmp and /var/tmp), you might want to apply the same mounting parameters to them, as well |
| 07:07.59 | Superdweeb | IMHO they should be all be moved into one secure tree. |
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| 07:09.45 | antii | how do i setup a internal network like ETH1? |
| 07:10.00 | dlynes | antii: man ifconfig |
| 07:10.33 | dlynes | antii: if you're wanting help with learning how to administer a network, you're going to need bigger help |
| 07:10.49 | antii | dlynes: need to create another network for my intern routing tunnel :P |
| 07:11.03 | dlynes | antii: for that, you're best off going to a website specializing in such |
| 07:11.14 | antii | ok |
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| 07:13.21 | dlynes | antii: I can't remember the book offhand, but there's actually an excellent book for learning about networks, and it's usually only about $25-30 on the used market at Amazon |
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| 07:13.47 | antii | dlynes: im not getting into this, just need to get this thing working :p |
| 07:14.17 | dlynes | antii: here you go...a free, stripped down version: http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_NetworkingFundamentals.htm |
| 07:15.05 | dlynes | antii: additionally, you'll want to read the man page for the 'ifconfig' command |
| 07:15.27 | antii | i am :p |
| 07:15.52 | dlynes | antii: that will allow you to make temporary changes to play around with, before you make a permanent change using the gnome network applet |
| 07:16.07 | antii | im using debian without wm :p |
| 07:16.17 | dlynes | antii: ah |
| 07:16.26 | dlynes | antii: another man page you'll want to read as well is 'route' |
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| 07:16.42 | antii | dlynes: i got the guide here, very short if u wanna read so u dont missunderstand, takes like 1min :p |
| 07:17.13 | antii | just pm:ed the link |
| 07:18.11 | dlynes | wow...whoda thunk? windows can't handle a /32 netmask? |
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| 07:18.46 | antii | dlynes: :P |
| 07:18.55 | antii | dlynes: you understand the guide? |
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| 07:20.55 | dlynes | antii: yeah..but it seems to be missing the all-important critical part |
| 07:21.07 | antii | dlynes: can u help me out? :p |
| 07:21.10 | antii | its for the home network |
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| 07:21.21 | dlynes | antii: the part about setting up probably a point-to-point network |
| 07:21.31 | dlynes | antii: but you'll see that in the man page for ifconfig |
| 07:21.35 | antii | ahh |
| 07:21.50 | dlynes | antii: at least I assume that's how you want to set this up |
| 07:21.51 | antii | but i will get it working if i do it right :P? |
| 07:21.58 | antii | yes |
| 07:22.11 | antii | Computer (vpn) > other computer in home |
| 07:22.16 | dlynes | antii: point-to-points are actually a little bit simpler than regular networks |
| 07:22.21 | antii | so the other computers traffic goes true the other one |
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| 07:22.50 | dlynes | antii: well, the tutorial you've got is for setting up a tunnel for a vpn between an isp and your house |
| 07:23.07 | antii | exactly what i want :P |
| 07:23.28 | dlynes | antii: or for an ipv6 connection inside of an ipv4 tunnel, or whatever |
| 07:23.36 | antii | ok |
| 07:23.37 | dlynes | it's very non-descripot |
| 07:24.02 | antii | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.02 | antii | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.06 | antii | thats the thing right? |
| 07:24.12 | dlynes | Are you just wanting to be able to access your home network from your office, or something? |
| 07:24.35 | antii | dlynes: i got a workstation computer and a server, and i wanna connet from my workstation true the server |
| 07:24.53 | dlynes | antii: and this is all on the same network? |
| 07:25.09 | antii | yes |
| 07:25.10 | antii | LAN |
| 07:25.11 | dlynes | i.e. the same LAN? |
| 07:25.17 | dlynes | you don't need a vpn |
| 07:25.29 | dlynes | Are you using a switch? |
| 07:25.34 | antii | no, a pfsense router |
| 07:25.55 | antii | i need vpn for the encrypt so |
| 07:26.25 | dlynes | Are you worried that your wife might try packet filtering your network conversations, or something? |
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| 07:26.38 | antii | hahaa |
| 07:26.45 | c0m1 | laughs |
| 07:26.52 | dlynes | Why do you need encryption on your lan? |
| 07:27.17 | antii | dlynes: i use a tunnel on one computer and wanna use it more then one |
| 07:27.19 | antii | u understand? :P |
| 07:27.42 | dlynes | in other words, you're just trying to learn how tunnels work? you're not needing this for any practical reasons? |
| 07:27.55 | antii | sure |
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| 07:28.19 | dlynes | What you probably want to get set up then to make things easier is openvpn |
| 07:28.27 | dlynes | You can download it from http://openvpn.org/ |
| 07:28.27 | antii | i am using openvpn on the server already |
| 07:28.30 | dlynes | ah |
| 07:28.42 | antii | and i got openvpn on the desktop aswell |
| 07:28.57 | dlynes | Then next, you need to learn how to set up your firewall to forward packets from one interface to the other, and vice-versa |
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| 07:29.18 | dlynes | Assuming you've got two network cards on the Linux box |
| 07:29.31 | antii | hm why would i need two? |
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| 07:29.43 | antii | I am connected from my workstation to my pfsense box :s |
| 07:29.44 | dlynes | One for the LAN, one for the Internet |
| 07:30.00 | dlynes | In other words, your workstation would not connect to the pfsense box |
| 07:30.19 | antii | cant it go thru pfsensebox to server? :S |
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| 07:30.33 | dlynes | You want to use the pfsensebox as a switch? |
| 07:30.41 | antii | sure |
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| 07:31.21 | dlynes | antii: it makes things a lot more complicated that way, because you're dealing with trying to route packets across virtual interfaces, then |
| 07:31.34 | antii | I am already doing it :P |
| 07:31.42 | dlynes | then why do you need help? |
| 07:31.54 | antii | but now i wanna just add my workstation's traffic to go thru the servers |
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| 07:32.47 | dlynes | you just finished telling me that was working |
| 07:33.21 | dlynes | make up your mind... |
| 07:33.44 | antii | Ok |
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| 07:35.11 | antii | I have set up a OpenVPN client on my linux box, and its connected. I have set up a openvpn on my desktop and im trying to connect :P |
| 07:35.15 | antii | thats where i am |
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| 07:35.33 | vagothcpp | Does debian use X window system, & GNOME (or provide the installs on the dvds |
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| 07:36.46 | dlynes | vagothcpp: yes |
| 07:36.59 | merlinco1ey | vagothcpp: that is the default (though xorg specifically for X server) |
| 07:37.08 | dlynes | antii: and so you do not have packets routing across the virtual interfaces, then |
| 07:37.33 | dlynes | antii: which is exactly what I said you'd need to get working if you only have one network interface on the 'server' |
| 07:38.08 | antii | dlynes: i have to create a network to start with right |
| 07:38.18 | Manoj__ | upgrades to rockbox 3.2 |
| 07:38.30 | scorche | perks up |
| 07:38.44 | dlynes | antii: yes....say: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 07:38.54 | scorche | Manoj__: just run the current build ;) |
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| 07:39.10 | antii | dlynes: and i have to add that adress in pfsense too right? :P |
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| 07:39.23 | dlynes | antii: and then configure your windows box for 192.168.10.2, netmask of 255.255.255.0 and gateway address of 192.168.10.1 |
| 07:39.29 | dlynes | antii: no |
| 07:39.36 | Manoj__ | scorche: well, the release has been tested more :-). Are there any new features in recent dailies? |
| 07:39.37 | antii | ah |
| 07:39.38 | dlynes | antii: has nothing to do with pfsense |
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| 07:40.09 | dlynes | antii: pfsense is your router i'm guessing, right? |
| 07:40.14 | antii | yes |
| 07:40.18 | dlynes | antii: and it doubles as a switch? |
| 07:40.27 | simonrvn | i wish my express could run rockbox :(. |
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| 07:40.38 | scorche | Manoj__: it really shouldnt be enough of a problem to dissuade you from running the current build...and of course there are...though we are straying form the #debian topic ;) |
| 07:40.38 | Manoj__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.38 | antii | yep |
| 07:40.45 | Manoj__ | err, echan |
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| 07:41.09 | Manoj__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.17 | dlynes | antii: and actually on the linux box you'd configure it as eth0:0, not eth0 |
| 07:41.28 | dlynes | antii: then you need to figure out how to route from eth0:0 onto eth0 |
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| 07:41.34 | antii | ok yeah, cause eth0 is busy :P |
| 07:41.36 | dlynes | antii: and vice-versa |
| 07:41.50 | Manoj__ | anyway. obdebian: the new make-kpkg has an --overlay-dir feature to let you override any aspect of the kernel-package |
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| 07:42.04 | dlynes | antii: it gets a bit tricky, because you need a 2.6 kernel or higher to support that |
| 07:42.12 | antii | got that |
| 07:42.30 | dlynes | antii: and from what i understand, not all of the kernel modules understand virtual interfaces |
| 07:42.32 | antii | dlynes: but the gateway, shall that be my pfsense? |
| 07:42.54 | dlynes | antii: pfsense is your gateway for eth0 coming from the linux box, not your desktop |
| 07:43.05 | antii | so i take that ip |
| 07:43.11 | dlynes | antii: your desktop will use your linux box as its gateway |
| 07:43.21 | simonrvn | Manoj__: ooh |
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| 07:48.01 | dlynes | nasty |
| 07:48.10 | dlynes | 1,127MB's of upgrades to upgrade to lenny |
| 07:48.18 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 07:48.25 | dlynes | hopefully my system magically starts working after all this |
| 07:48.32 | simonrvn | i had something like that.... |
| 07:48.55 | simonrvn | mine did, short of that effing symlink (which made everything go BOOM) |
| 07:48.58 | dlynes | right now i'm getting an oom-killer on fsck of my drives |
| 07:49.07 | simonrvn | :( |
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| 07:49.21 | dlynes | symlink? |
| 07:49.54 | dlynes | you had a symlink in there, pointing to a subdirectory instead of a mount, because you had tried to free up some space? |
| 07:50.06 | simonrvn | had a scrwed up symlink in /lib, for libld |
| 07:50.11 | dlynes | oh |
| 07:50.13 | dlynes | ok |
| 07:50.17 | dlynes | so it was a bad symlink |
| 07:50.27 | dlynes | thought you meant a symlink you had created |
| 07:50.35 | simonrvn | er libdl |
| 07:50.44 | dlynes | erm |
| 07:50.47 | dlynes | i've got one of those |
| 07:51.02 | simonrvn | it was linking to something out in outer space... and made eveything go BOOM |
| 07:51.02 | dlynes | got libdl installed from etch-backports |
| 07:51.07 | dlynes | and the install didn't do it properly |
| 07:51.14 | dlynes | so i had to fix all the symlinks in there |
| 07:51.19 | simonrvn | no, this was glibc's |
| 07:51.30 | dlynes | ah |
| 07:51.35 | dlynes | maybe that's what happened to me |
| 07:51.44 | dlynes | did an apt-pinning to unstable the other day |
| 07:51.50 | dlynes | and then installed glibc2.4 from there |
| 07:51.57 | dlynes | 2 days later |
| 07:52.05 | dlynes | I had about 1200 updates debian insisted on doing |
| 07:52.10 | simonrvn | um, sid doesn't have glibc 2.4 ? |
| 07:52.16 | dlynes | *KABOOM* |
| 07:52.21 | simonrvn | oh, yeh nm |
| 07:52.47 | dlynes | well, whatever was in unstable at the time had glibc2.4 |
| 07:52.56 | simonrvn | sounds like what i had, but worse... it used to be a sid box, that i'd downgraded to stable |
| 07:53.02 | dlynes | maybe unstable at that time was still lenny |
| 07:53.14 | simonrvn | sid is always sid |
| 07:53.22 | dlynes | ah |
| 07:53.26 | dlynes | so lenny was testing? |
| 07:53.45 | simonrvn | used to, yes |
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| 07:53.57 | dlynes | ah |
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| 07:54.01 | dlynes | well i had testing in there, too |
| 07:54.07 | dlynes | didn't know which it was upgrading from |
| 07:54.12 | dlynes | it was a complete fuxored mess |
| 07:54.29 | dlynes | needless to say, i don't think i'm going to try apt-pinning again any time soon |
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| 07:54.37 | dlynes | and least not on my main machine |
| 07:54.48 | simonrvn | pinning is nice once it works ;). |
| 07:54.55 | dlynes | if it works? |
| 07:55.04 | simonrvn | it does |
| 07:55.18 | dlynes | ah....cool |
| 07:55.27 | dlynes | perl should stop giving me all this grief now |
| 07:55.31 | dlynes | lenny includes perl 5.10.0 |
| 07:55.49 | dlynes | so i'll stop having conflicts between my installed copy of perl and debian's perl packages |
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| 07:56.06 | simonrvn | one of the machines here tracks lenny and sid. it's pinned to stable, and unstable doesn't get in unless i make it do so. |
| 07:56.25 | dlynes | well, that's what I thought I had, too |
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| 07:57.12 | dlynes | but then debian seemed to want to do a dist-upgrade to unstable or something |
| 07:57.12 | dlynes | go figure |
| 07:57.12 | simonrvn | that means it wasn't done quite right ;). |
| 07:57.15 | dlynes | ah |
| 07:57.32 | dlynes | well, i just followed instructions on some web page that told me how to 'upgrade' to glibc 2.4 |
| 07:57.50 | dlynes | it was supposedly the easiest tutorial on apt-pinning |
| 07:58.03 | simonrvn | i have lenny at 999 and unstable at 200 |
| 07:58.16 | dlynes | simonrvn: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 07:59.17 | simonrvn | dlynes: that's totally wrong. the person is telling peopl to run unstable effectively. |
| 07:59.29 | dlynes | simonrvn: and then i did the apt-get install glibc/unstable |
| 07:59.43 | simonrvn | yeh, you then have sid there. |
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| 07:59.49 | dlynes | ugh |
| 07:59.58 | dlynes | you mean disaster? |
| 08:00.31 | simonrvn | judd: versions libc6 --release lenny |
| 08:00.33 | judd | simonrvn: libc6 -- lenny: 2.7-18 |
| 08:00.37 | simonrvn | ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 08:00.45 | simonrvn | same box |
| 08:00.54 | dlynes | so in other words, this guy's teaching you how to do something he doesn't fully understand |
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| 08:01.17 | simonrvn | dlynes: when he says to install libc6 from sid, he then gets a sid box. |
| 08:01.45 | dlynes | simonrvn: but it only updated about 5 packages |
| 08:02.03 | dlynes | simonrvn: from the top of his page: I will show you a way that you can have apt mix-and-match between Stable, Testing, and Unstable sources. This will allow you to run a mostly-Stable system, but also track the latest and greatest of those packages that you are most keenly interested in. |
| 08:02.13 | dlynes | key: 'mostly-stable' |
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| 08:02.19 | simonrvn | simply because in some direct or indirect way the great majority of the packages depend on it. the only ones that don't would be stuff that isn't compiled (stuff with _all.deb on the end) |
| 08:02.23 | dlynes | that's what I read...that's why I took his advice |
| 08:02.38 | Sashi | hey quick question |
| 08:02.44 | simonrvn | he's dead wrong |
| 08:02.45 | Sashi | whats better xen or openvz |
| 08:02.53 | cast | Sashi: two very different things. |
| 08:02.56 | dlynes | Sashi: neither...they're different |
| 08:03.00 | Sashi | yea i understand that |
| 08:03.02 | dlynes | Sashi: one's a vps; one's a vpe |
| 08:03.05 | simonrvn | !better |
| 08:03.06 | dpkg | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 08:03.09 | Sashi | im looking for something that can handle |
| 08:03.18 | Sashi | multiple instances of rtorrent |
| 08:03.26 | Sashi | basically large io writes |
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| 08:04.04 | cast | why does that need virtualization? |
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| 08:04.39 | Sashi | because i want multiple users |
| 08:04.57 | dlynes | Sashi: you can have multiple users on linux normally...it's not Windows |
| 08:05.12 | Sashi | i know dlynes but i would like something a little more secured |
| 08:05.19 | Sashi | and chrooted |
| 08:05.47 | simonrvn | ...so you want a vm per user? o_O |
| 08:05.56 | dlynes | Sashi: if security is your prime concern, you're probably looking for xen or vmware then |
| 08:06.35 | dlynes | Sashi: vpe's and vps's are both fairly secure, but vps's are more secure than vpe's |
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| 08:06.57 | dlynes | Sashi: mainly because of the way they separate the instances |
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| 08:07.21 | simonrvn | doesn't even know the difference |
| 08:08.02 | cast | is still wondering why one would want to let randoms run torrenting software on ones computer |
| 08:08.24 | dlynes | Sashi: you can also take a look at uml (user mode linux)...I believe it's a vps as well, but someone else can probably further clarify that |
| 08:08.29 | simonrvn | shudders at the thought |
| 08:08.32 | cast | what happens when they say, torrent stuff on various government agency watchlists? |
| 08:08.52 | cast | dlynes: i think he'll get better performance with xen :) though UML is still neat |
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| 08:09.22 | Sashi | although i might just do several accounts |
| 08:09.35 | Sashi | on one but the problem is |
| 08:09.38 | dlynes | ah....finally to the 'o' packages.... |
| 08:09.54 | Sashi | actually hmm |
| 08:10.26 | cast | i wonder how useful selinux would be in this context |
| 08:10.30 | Sashi | i want to chroot the users to their home dir in SSH AND let them use rtorrent |
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| 08:10.43 | Guerin | !chroot ssh |
| 08:10.43 | dpkg | i heard ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 08:10.46 | cast | allowing them to only run rtorrent, and allowing rtorrent to only do certain things |
| 08:10.48 | Guerin | Sashi: stupid idea. |
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| 08:10.52 | Sashi | ? |
| 08:11.12 | Guerin | Sashi: read the link |
| 08:11.21 | Sashi | 4040 |
| 08:11.24 | Sashi | 404* |
| 08:11.27 | Guerin | oh |
| 08:11.46 | simonrvn | dlynes: the apt-listchanges run took half an hour on my upgrade to lenny. |
| 08:12.05 | dlynes | simonrvn: apt-listchanges? |
| 08:12.16 | dlynes | simonrvn: is that a command? |
| 08:12.23 | simonrvn | apt-cache show is your friend |
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| 08:12.48 | dlynes | apt-cache show will list off all installed packages, i'm guessing? |
| 08:12.55 | jetscreamer | it's a command if you install it, in other words |
| 08:13.04 | simonrvn | no, apt-cache show apt-listchanges |
| 08:13.08 | dlynes | ah |
| 08:13.09 | jetscreamer | no it's ap.. what he said |
| 08:13.15 | dlynes | so like apt-cache search apt-listchanges |
| 08:13.22 | dlynes | never used the show command |
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| 08:14.23 | simonrvn | apt-cache does various things, like displaying metadata about a (set of) package(s) |
| 08:14.45 | dlynes | holy shizzit |
| 08:14.50 | dlynes | only 35% complete :( |
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| 08:16.50 | dlynes | Sashi: you could also try VirtualBox, too |
| 08:16.57 | Sashi | meh |
| 08:17.06 | Sashi | that isnt really "great" is it? |
| 08:17.27 | dlynes | Sashi: out of all the virtual machines I've tried, I like VirtualBox the most |
| 08:17.46 | dlynes | Sashi: OpenVZ's pretty good too, but it's a VPE |
| 08:17.57 | adb | VPE ? |
| 08:18.15 | Sashi | dlynes |
| 08:18.21 | dlynes | adb: Virtual Private Environment as opposed to Virtual Private Server |
| 08:18.24 | Sashi | have you installed winblows on virtualbox before? |
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| 08:18.41 | adb | dlynes: thanks ;) |
| 08:18.42 | dlynes | Sashi: Yes, it's pretty good for Windows 2000 |
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| 08:18.47 | Sashi | oh? |
| 08:18.50 | dlynes | Sashi: but it's horrible for Windows 95/98 |
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| 08:18.56 | Sashi | cuz ive done windows on vmware |
| 08:19.00 | Sashi | and the disk writes |
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| 08:19.01 | dlynes | Sashi: and again, it's not too bad for Windows xp |
| 08:19.02 | Sashi | suffer |
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| 08:19.30 | dlynes | Sashi: however, on any of those versions of windows, you may as well forget doing any kind of serial communications |
| 08:19.39 | Sashi | ? |
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| 08:19.52 | dlynes | Sashi: Windows is much faster in Virtual Box with Linux as the host environment than with Windows as the host environment, too |
| 08:20.04 | Sashi | yea i pla |
| 08:20.06 | Sashi | o doing that |
| 08:20.19 | Sashi | installing debian lenny + virtualbox (maybe) |
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| 08:20.24 | Sashi | and then install windows and utorrent |
| 08:20.25 | dlynes | Sashi: the timing is so severely off that any kind of communications with the serial port (PLC's, ...) doesn't work |
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| 08:20.56 | simonrvn | don't bother with freebsd either. really bad. |
| 08:21.31 | Guerin | dpkg, ssh chroot is =~ s#http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html#http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425/30/0/# |
| 08:21.31 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'ssh chroot is' to modify, Guerin |
| 08:21.37 | Guerin | dpkg, ssh chroot =~ s#http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html#http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425/30/0/# |
| 08:21.38 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
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| 08:22.11 | simonrvn | Guerin: \o/ |
| 08:22.36 | Guerin | Sashi: ^ late, but there it is. Basically: you waste lots of resources and create security problems for yourself by trying to chroot ssh |
| 08:23.25 | dlynes | Guerin: but if he's running a vps, and it's a single user ssh, then chrooting ssh isn't necessary |
| 08:24.05 | Sashi | dlynes: i might just do the virtualbox way |
| 08:24.58 | dlynes | Sashi: for what it's worth, VirtualBox is actually based on Qemu (http://www.nongnu.org/qemu/) |
| 08:25.14 | Sashi | yea i know its based on qemu :) |
| 08:25.34 | dlynes | but qemu is not anywhere near as compatible with the guest os's as virtualbox is |
| 08:25.50 | dlynes | Solaris runs just fine as a guest os in virtualbox |
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| 08:25.57 | EmleyMoor | kvm is nice if you can use it |
| 08:26.00 | dlynes | However it sucks horribly in qemu as a host |
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| 08:26.44 | dlynes | Man...I'll be so pissed if lenny doesn't fix the problem |
| 08:27.18 | jetscreamer | research? |
| 08:28.52 | Sashi | dlynes |
| 08:29.02 | Sashi | does virtualbox have like a... server frontend? |
| 08:29.25 | Sashi | like how vmware server, you can create new vms remotely with vmware server console |
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| 08:30.31 | pbn | Hi, when will the .iso torrents for the update Debian 4.0 an Debian 5.0 be available ? |
| 08:30.53 | pbn | updated* |
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| 08:35.17 | at0m | hi, for a couple of days my pc running 2.6.26-1-amd64 beeps once in a while, it never did that before. is there a way to find out why it does that? |
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| 08:36.03 | at0m | doing apt-get updates like once a week, i suspect it started doing that after some package update earlier this week |
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| 08:37.14 | at0m | dmesg | tail doesn't change after these beeps.. |
| 08:37.26 | jetscreamer | probably pc_speaker is loaded if you mean out of the pc speaker |
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| 08:38.00 | at0m | lsmod | grep speaker returns nothing.. |
| 08:38.17 | at0m | but yes, out of the pc speaker |
| 08:38.37 | at0m | maybe it's not debian related but a BIOS warning eh |
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| 08:41.58 | at0m | starts noting the beep occurence times |
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| 08:51.41 | FilipeMaia | Is there a way to change the rpath of a binary? |
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| 08:52.35 | liable | whats the rpath? |
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| 08:54.10 | FilipeMaia | liable, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rpath_(linking) |
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| 09:02.29 | uwjweq | Hi there, how can I perform a recursive full text search on text files? |
| 09:02.55 | kampala | hi, grep blablabla /path/* |
| 09:03.07 | uwjweq | thank you. |
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| 09:03.38 | jmut | hi. is it recommended to work with apt-get or aptitude on debian? cat /etc/debian_version says 5.0 |
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| 09:04.05 | kampala | imho, second one |
| 09:04.23 | c0m1 | jmut: aptitude does more |
| 09:04.36 | amphi | !tell jmut -about why aptitude |
| 09:04.52 | uwjweq | kampala: the command you supplied does not appear to do that. |
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| 09:05.34 | internat1 | uwjweq: grep -r blahblah /path/to/ |
| 09:05.46 | uwjweq | thank you, I try |
| 09:05.48 | jmut | thanks |
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| 09:05.51 | internat1 | well that will do every file |
| 09:05.53 | internat1 | not just txt btw |
| 09:05.59 | internat1 | so binary as well. |
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| 09:07.10 | c0m1 | takes over the world with his cool debian network |
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| 09:08.00 | internat1 | firewalls out c0m1 |
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| 09:08.09 | boghog | hi guys |
| 09:08.27 | jelly12g1n | hi |
| 09:08.33 | boghog | im new to gentoo :D |
| 09:08.35 | boghog | err |
| 09:08.36 | boghog | debian |
| 09:08.41 | boghog | slaps self |
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| 09:09.00 | boghog | gentoo is what i come from |
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| 09:09.06 | c0m1 | runs aptitude purge boghog |
| 09:09.12 | boghog | :( |
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| 09:09.35 | jelly12g1n | boghog: gentoo? |
| 09:09.42 | jelly12g1n | isnt that a bit overrated |
| 09:10.18 | boghog | I dunno, I liked it, but I wanted to learn a more... common distro |
| 09:10.26 | jelly12g1n | use arch |
| 09:10.36 | datenritter | i have a problem with netatalk in lenny. when i start it, eth0 in the server stops working: even though the interface is up and the routes are still set properly, nothing get's through anymore. the machine has two interfaces so i can use the second to ssh into it. |
| 09:10.53 | datenritter | eth0 and eth1 have the same ip btw, but one if is just for a static route to another server. |
| 09:11.56 | datenritter | when i shutdown netatalk it starts to work again promptly. |
| 09:12.05 | boghog | is git-core what I need to get a basic git installation? or is there some meta package i should install |
| 09:12.11 | Xunie | Meh: ethereal: Depends: wireshark (= 0.99.7-1~lenny1) but 1.0.2-3+lenny4 is to be installed wireshark: Conflicts: ethereal (< 1.0.0-3) but 0.99.7-1~lenny1 is to be installed E: Broken packages, Is this a luser error or a devel's error? |
| 09:12.14 | datenritter | it's as if netatalk would reconfigure my network setup, but i don't know where to look |
| 09:12.25 | Xunie | package maintainer's * or who ever's except the user*? |
| 09:13.10 | Xunie | "<boghog> gentoo is what i come from" << You are a gentooian :P |
| 09:13.59 | liable | Xunie: just try and install wireshark |
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| 09:14.37 | foo | Getting this with cpan: You have not configured a urllist and did not allow to connect to the internet. I will continue but it is very likely that we will face problems. If this happens, please consider to call either - few googles looks like this is a recent issue |
| 09:14.41 | foo | tips? |
| 09:14.51 | boghog | Xunie, :D |
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| 09:14.53 | stevem | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.59 | liable | Xunie: its a dev error really, but that ethereal package should be just a meta package really, ethereal was renamed quite a while back. |
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| 09:15.32 | Xunie | liable, I need ethereal... |
| 09:15.43 | Guerin | !need |
| 09:15.43 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
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| 09:15.53 | liable | Xunie: its the same thing, its just renamed |
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| 09:16.49 | Xunie | got @#%$ somewhere, BRB |
| 09:17.26 | DeadlyTiga | hi, i just updated my system (sid i386). I have a intel gpu, so i used accelmethod "xaa" to fix the performance issues with firefox. Now with the new xorg update i can't use xaa anymore (x doesn't start). But without xaa, firefox is laggy. Does anyone know a workaround? |
| 09:17.48 | Xunie | Guerin, I don't need beer... |
| 09:18.07 | Guerin | Xunie: always returns false |
| 09:18.07 | Xunie | If I joined about 2 months earlier, I'd would've been underage for beer :P |
| 09:18.09 | liable | everybody needs beer |
| 09:18.35 | Xunie | In ##linux :<gordonjcp> Xunie: tetheral? << So I thought that he meant ethereal lol |
| 09:18.54 | Xunie | feels a netsplit comin' up for some strange reason |
| 09:19.06 | liable | tethereal was the cli version, there is a twireshark too |
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| 09:19.30 | Xunie | tshark liable :P |
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| 09:19.54 | liable | same thing, i just got the name wrong |
| 09:20.12 | liable | my memory aint what it used to be |
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| 09:20.28 | Xunie | Why wouldn't tethereal and ethereal be meta-packages for tshark and wireshark?.. :/ |
| 09:20.57 | liable | they should be transitional packages, yes |
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| 09:21.55 | Xunie | slaps a random debian repo maintainer around a bit with a large box of ubuntu live cd's |
| 09:22.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | blink |
| 09:22.30 | stevem | Can I do block copying (i.e. copy only whats changed in a single file) with rsync? I can't see an option for it. |
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| 09:22.53 | Xunie | steve, Shouldn't rsync do that automatically?... |
| 09:23.01 | zoldar | hello, I've glanced over debian policy manual but i can't find direct answer, how are scripts in /etc/rcS.d handled? if, for example i have /etc/rcS.d/S07daemon1 and /etc/rc2.d/S05daemon2 will daemon2 be started before daemon1 ? |
| 09:23.03 | Guerin | Xunie: fail. |
| 09:23.21 | Guerin | zoldar: yes, they're run in numerical order. |
| 09:23.43 | Xunie | Guerin, I never worked with rsync!.. I thought rsync had some pretty hardcore compression |
| 09:23.51 | liable | zoldar: man update-rc.d for details |
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| 09:23.58 | zoldar | Guerin, so scripts from both dirs are executed in parallel? |
| 09:23.59 | Guerin | Xunie: i'm talking about your attitude toward debian developers. |
| 09:24.04 | boghog | im so excited |
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| 09:24.08 | zoldar | ok |
| 09:24.10 | boghog | a new linux distro to learn \o/ |
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| 09:24.36 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
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| 09:24.46 | xoz_ | finds awesome window manager really *AWESOME* |
| 09:24.55 | Xunie | Oh Guerin, It was jokingly meant, I make mistakes and I forget too... So do Debian Devels.... |
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| 09:25.22 | Guerin | zoldar: oh, i missed that bit. No, the x in rcx.d refers to the current runlevel. `s' Scripts within each dir are exectued in numerical order when the appropriate runlevel is started. |
| 09:25.32 | Xunie | Guerin, The fact that _they_ but up such a great system (the overall project) still holds me in awe sometimes... |
| 09:25.58 | Guerin | boghog: not very much to learn,. I'm sorry to say. You might find yourself bored if you're used to all the hoop-jumping which goes with gentoo. |
| 09:26.06 | ale_ | I just installed debian 5, with LXDE. I right clicked on the desktop and checked an option (I can't remember its name :( ) and now, when I right click the desktop again, a different menu shows up.. |
| 09:26.19 | zoldar | Guerin: but afaik rcS.d contents are executed during boot along with proper runlevel (2), right ? |
| 09:26.26 | ale_ | how can I have my old menu back? |
| 09:26.32 | Xunie | put up* |
| 09:26.48 | Guerin | zoldar: correct - before the selected numeric runlevel. |
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| 09:27.48 | zoldar | so first everything is executed in correct order inside one directory and then, in sequnce, it goes to next one associated with correct runlevel ? |
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| 09:28.15 | Guerin | zoldar: yes. |
| 09:28.31 | zoldar | ok, thanks for making it clear |
| 09:28.44 | ale_ | anyone? |
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| 09:30.05 | ale_ | I just installed debian 5, with LXDE. I right clicked on the desktop and checked an option (I can't remember its name :( ) and now, when I right click the desktop again, a different menu shows up.. |
| 09:30.09 | ale_ | how can I have my old menu back? |
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| 09:31.05 | liable | ale_: lxde has horrible docs. last ditch fix is to remove its dotfiles |
| 09:32.07 | dylan` | any good debian book around? |
| 09:32.21 | Guerin | !debiansystem |
| 09:32.22 | dpkg | For documentation and books on Debian, see http://www.debian.org/docs/, or Martin Krafft's _The Debian System_. http://debiansystem.info/ or ask me about<learningdebian> |
| 09:32.37 | Guerin | dylan`: Krafft's book is the canon. |
| 09:33.15 | dylan` | what u mean guerin? |
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| 09:35.17 | ale_ | thanks |
| 09:35.26 | ale_ | thanks liable |
| 09:36.09 | boghog | i keep thinking something goes wrong when i install a package with apt becuase im used to waiting for 20 minutes for stuff to get compiled :D |
| 09:36.43 | Guerin | boghog: like I said - no handholding. |
| 09:36.55 | Guerin | boghog: if you want thrills and spills, run sid. |
| 09:37.08 | Guerin | (but nobody will tell you how to, and don't expect us to help) |
| 09:37.17 | boghog | nah I just want something stable |
| 09:37.26 | boghog | I want to use debian for a server machine |
| 09:38.06 | havocologe | is there a way to get xslt working with php5 in lenny without recompiling the php ? |
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| 09:46.39 | zamba | i'm working with unattended installations.. when i install a couple of packages they need some user input.. is it possible to set an option that basically says "answer default" for every question? i know i can preseed the questions with the correct answer, but i will script the overwriting of the configuration files at a late stage anyway.. |
| 09:46.54 | chriswk_ | havocologe: have you tried installing the php5-xsl package ? |
| 09:47.00 | Guerin | zamba: -y |
| 09:47.20 | zamba | Guerin: can't do that when preseeding |
| 09:47.28 | zamba | d-i pkgsel/include string ssh libpam-ldap libpam-mount libnss-ldap smbfs nfs-common funionfs |
| 09:47.29 | Guerin | zamba: no idea, then. |
| 09:47.32 | zamba | that's my preconfiguration file |
| 09:47.53 | zamba | hm.. maybe it's better just to script the installation of the packages.. |
| 09:48.16 | aprendiz001 | I have installed cyrus-admin |
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| 09:48.25 | aprendiz001 | what is the default password |
| 09:48.27 | aprendiz001 | ? |
| 09:49.04 | liable | zamba: you can preseed_latecommand, see the install manual appendix on pressed. ghurken sanguins preseed file should give some i dea. |
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| 09:50.17 | xbj_A21m1 | hi |
| 09:50.19 | zamba | where do i find the ghurken sanguins preseed file? google just blinks at me |
| 09:50.28 | Guerin | gürkan sengun |
| 09:50.41 | liable | zamba: in the appendix of the install manual |
| 09:50.53 | liable | zamba: its a section on preseeding |
| 09:51.01 | zamba | ah |
| 09:51.52 | zamba | liable: i've used late_command for that exact thing, actuall |
| 09:51.54 | zamba | actually |
| 09:52.11 | zamba | liable: that's my "later stage" which will remove some packages and overwrite some configuration files |
| 09:52.47 | zamba | liable: http://pastebin.com/m3774e125 |
| 09:52.49 | zamba | that works just fine |
| 09:53.02 | liable | zamba: ok, just have a look through some of those files, i would be surprised if you cant give it the -y switch |
| 09:53.28 | liable | zamba: if it works.. |
| 09:53.30 | zamba | but maybe i should skip using "d-i pkgsel/include string ssh libpam-ldap libpam-mount libnss-ldap smbfs nfs-common funionfs" and instead do apt-get install -y <packages> in the script |
| 09:53.52 | liable | yep |
| 09:54.12 | zamba | but the -y options means NO questions will be asked - defaults on each and every one? |
| 09:54.29 | Guerin | zamba: answers `yes' to all questions |
| 09:54.59 | zamba | what if it's questions where you have to fill in some value? |
| 09:55.20 | zamba | now i really wish i knew puppet's syntax :p |
| 09:55.27 | liable | it will default to default |
| 09:55.35 | zamba | liable: ok.. cool |
| 09:55.54 | zamba | then i move the installation of those packages to the script |
| 09:56.06 | zamba | thanks! |
| 09:56.35 | liable | np |
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| 09:58.04 | Tigger__ | hi |
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| 09:59.28 | zamba | then just the question if it works :p |
| 09:59.36 | jelly12g1n | q/ |
| 09:59.52 | zamba | http://pastebin.com/m39d86271 |
| 09:59.58 | zamba | how does that look to you? |
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| 10:01.05 | liable | like you are installing some horrible shit :P |
| 10:01.17 | liable | dont see why it shouldnt work though. |
| 10:01.21 | zamba | hehe |
| 10:01.28 | zamba | why horrible? :) |
| 10:01.47 | liable | acroread? |
| 10:01.54 | zamba | yeah |
| 10:02.02 | zamba | i need something that works in the browser |
| 10:02.15 | xbj_A21m1 | I just built a .deb for alsa driver for cs46xx, and it has a problem |
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| 10:02.20 | xbj_A21m1 | "trying to overwrite `/usr/include/sound/sb16_csp.h'," |
| 10:02.20 | giaco | hello |
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| 10:02.47 | giaco | do you know a guide that explains how to clear use traces on a system? (history and stuff) |
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| 10:03.39 | zamba | one last question.. is it possible to turn on more debugging when installing debian/ubuntu? |
| 10:03.51 | zamba | instead of the curses UI |
| 10:04.04 | zamba | i'd like to each and every operation |
| 10:04.06 | liable | you can look in vt4 |
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| 10:04.39 | liable | the install report will show whatever shows in there though anyway |
| 10:04.39 | stargazer84 | hello |
| 10:05.00 | stargazer84 | I need some help with an installation on an intel mobo |
| 10:05.16 | stargazer84 | it doesnt recognize network interface |
| 10:05.56 | stargazer84 | is there a kernel module or something that needs to be activated in order to see my network interface? |
| 10:06.29 | liable | it sounds like it |
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| 10:07.11 | stargazer84 | how do i change my kernels configuration? |
| 10:07.27 | jmut | hi. working on this debian vhost and I see this warning when working http://pastebin.com/d3b81d0b8 I assume I miss LC_ALL but what is recommended way I set it permanently and more importantly to what value. Any pointers? |
| 10:07.38 | liable | stargazer84: you need to find out what card it has, then fond out what kernel has the driver for it. |
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| 10:08.09 | stargazer84 | Intel® 82567LM Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 10:08.29 | liable | stargazer84: so google which kernel module supports it |
| 10:08.30 | boghog | what's an easy way to examine an installed package, like listing all the files it installed etc? |
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| 10:08.35 | stargazer84 | plz help a bit cause i have no idea about kernel etc |
| 10:08.47 | liable | boghog: dpkg -L package |
| 10:08.53 | boghog | thanks liable |
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| 10:09.50 | liable | stargazer84: just google that card, and linux, and see what you find out. it should be fairly obvious (if you add your kernel version in the query, it should be even more obvious) |
| 10:10.04 | stargazer84 | thanx |
| 10:10.24 | zamba | when installing debian, how can i make it use the hostname provided from the dhcpd for the hostname of the system? |
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| 10:10.42 | zamba | now i have to pass hostname=<hostname> manually when booting, but i want to do this completely without interaction |
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| 10:31.00 | ronh | Hi, I'd like to convert my lenny to sid. What should change in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 10:31.08 | trifler | What's the name of the file you can place in a apache httpd folder to make settings for that peticular folder again? |
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| 10:32.47 | Internat | .htaccess ? |
| 10:32.59 | liable | ronh: sid has been a bit broken recently. if you dont know or cant research how to upgrade to it, its probably not a good idea. |
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| 10:34.45 | ronh | It's really for testing purposes. |
| 10:34.48 | ronh | but thanks |
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| 10:37.52 | trifler | Internat: ty |
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| 10:40.46 | LingaN | anyone know a piece of software that will allow me to monitor hard drive usage live in debian ? |
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| 10:41.15 | LingaN | not monitor the space used.. but monitor speed of hdd, etc |
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| 10:50.26 | kampala | LingaN, maybe dstat coud help |
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| 10:50.59 | stargazer84 | witch packages do i have to install in order to be able to "make install" |
| 10:51.15 | stargazer84 | I have 2.6.26-1 kernel |
| 10:51.20 | liable | stargazer84: install build-essential |
| 10:51.39 | stargazer84 | thank you |
| 10:51.42 | liable | stargazer84: also kernel-headers-2.6.21-1-686 |
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| 10:51.50 | zamba | now i have to pass hostname=<hostname> manually when booting, but i want to do this completely without interaction |
| 10:51.53 | zamba | err |
| 10:51.57 | liable | if your arch is 686, otherwise substitute |
| 10:51.58 | zamba | when installing debian, how can i make it use the hostname provided from the dhcpd for the hostname of the system? |
| 10:52.07 | zamba | arrow-up ;) |
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| 10:52.29 | liable | zamba: you can preseed hostname |
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| 10:53.12 | zamba | liable: not when installing over pxe.. can i? |
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| 10:54.02 | gamla_kossan | hi guys. anyone have a clue where I can point out a css-file for the indexing-page in apache? ie, a page like this: asdf9000.com |
| 10:54.03 | liable | zamba: i thought you might be able to, but not sure. check the guide |
| 10:54.04 | zamba | liable: but preseeding the hostname isn't what i want, because that will be the same for every client.. i need something that will generate an unique hostname for each installation |
| 10:54.28 | zamba | liable: and then dns/dhcp information is nice, but i need a way for the installation to use the one provided from dhcp |
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| 10:55.01 | liable | zamba: i have a feeling you can make it use it from dhcp, but its not something i know much about |
| 10:55.02 | unop | zamba, bootparamd might be what you are after .. |
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| 10:55.32 | liable | zamba: how do you make your pxe server change it for every box anyway? |
| 10:55.53 | Arrowmaster | you arent wanting it to change the hostname to the provided one by dhcp on every boot are you? just on the installation boot? |
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| 10:56.38 | zamba | liable: the dhcpd does |
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| 10:57.12 | zamba | liable: since i have a host x {} delcaration for every machine with their mac address |
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| 10:59.37 | liable | zamba: best bet .. http://debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en#preseed-dhcp |
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| 11:03.30 | zamba | liable: yeah, but that's the other way around :) |
| 11:04.02 | liable | zamba: i think your a bit screwed, there is a recent bug for setting hostname too. |
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| 11:04.27 | zamba | liable: yeah, i see that |
| 11:04.51 | zamba | but i've seen examples where the debian installer actually pick up the hostname from the dhcp info |
| 11:05.28 | unop | zamba, you can set the hostname in the host {} section for the particular client. |
| 11:05.44 | bolt | holy cow |
| 11:05.45 | zamba | unop: do you have any more details? |
| 11:05.53 | zamba | unop: because it doesn't work here :) |
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| 11:07.06 | unop | zamba, I'm reading the dhcpd.conf manpage .. look for the hostname and ddns-hostname options. |
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| 11:08.17 | zamba | unop: but ddns-hostname only relates to the dynamic update of dns, right? |
| 11:08.35 | zamba | i have already set it up like host test-01 { hardware ... ; } |
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| 11:08.53 | zamba | "Otherwise, if there is a host declaration that applies to the client, the name from that declaration will be used." |
| 11:08.57 | zamba | that should cover for that? |
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| 11:09.54 | unop | zamba, you'd add something like this in. host test-01 { hardware address ... ; fixed-address test-01.example.com; option host-name "test-01"; } |
| 11:10.03 | unop | s/address/ethernet/ |
| 11:10.04 | zamba | ok, i'll try that |
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| 11:11.03 | flami | Hi, I just got a kernel update ( at least it downloaded linux-image-2.6-amd64) on lenny, but it didnt say in large letters that i have to reboot. Is there really nothing else to do ? |
| 11:11.24 | further | hi, any body use termcap? how can I control the virtual position(0, 0) of the terminal? |
| 11:11.24 | liable | flami: yes, you have to reboot to use it |
| 11:11.56 | flami | the thing is this time it didnt give me that warning:P . I just got confused ^^ |
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| 11:14.04 | SparFuxXx | Hi! I am having trouble with my xorg server. Keyboard seems to be messed up. Anybody know what could cause the problem? |
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| 11:14.50 | SparFuxXx | hi Demon |
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| 11:15.25 | SparFuxXx | hi ttuttle :-) |
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| 11:15.49 | ttuttle | Hi. I'm running lenny, and I've got an iwl5350 wireless card. It needs a newer kernel (2.6.29 would be good) than the one provided (2.6.26). How can I get one? |
| 11:15.52 | ttuttle | SparFuxXx: hi |
| 11:16.48 | flami | ttuttle: you gotta compile a new one then , you can get it from : www.kernel.org/ |
| 11:16.52 | Sadist | compile new ? :) |
| 11:17.04 | ttuttle | flami: Er, aren't there binary packages for newer ones? |
| 11:17.24 | ttuttle | flami: I mean, I used to run Gentoo, so I don't mind compiling it, but I'm afraid I'll bork the initrd stuff. |
| 11:17.34 | flami | not that i know of :P |
| 11:17.39 | Sadist | use kernel package |
| 11:17.41 | flami | well ou can make it easy |
| 11:18.15 | liable | ttuttle: get the 2.6.29 deb from packages.debian.org (its for sid, but it should install ok on lenny) |
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| 11:18.50 | ttuttle | liable: Can I modify sources.list to do that, or should I just download and install it? |
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| 11:19.10 | liable | ttuttle: just download the deb and manually install it with dpkg |
| 11:19.13 | ttuttle | liable: okay |
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| 11:19.55 | flami | sid has 2.6.29 ? but its not the default then ^^. it just upgraded to 2.6.26 for me |
| 11:20.08 | ttuttle | It's got a source package for 2.6.29, but no binary. |
| 11:20.14 | ttuttle | Why? |
| 11:20.23 | hacker_kid | wow. I'm very impressed with debian 5. just one issue. I'm using an ATI graphics card that cant go above 800x600 without a closed-source driver. ubuntu and other noobish distros automatically pick this up and ask for permission to install. how can i get it in debian? |
| 11:20.26 | ttuttle | Oh, wait, here it is. |
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| 11:20.54 | flami | hacker_kid: what ATI you got? |
| 11:20.59 | SparFuxXx | flami: yes, that's like it. 2.6.29 is not default yet. it is not updated by linux-image-2.6-... |
| 11:21.31 | traveller820 | SparFuxXx: that makes sense... 2.6.29 is still on unstable only, if I must pay attention to apt-policy |
| 11:21.34 | hacker_kid | flami, not quite sure actually. i have only installed non-noob distros in cli on this box |
| 11:21.36 | SparFuxXx | It seems like HAL is messing up my X config :-( |
| 11:22.12 | flami | well thing is that ATI dropped support with their fglrx driver for anything pre R600 |
| 11:22.20 | SparFuxXx | I have configured my X keyboard, but HAL is messing tings up as it seems.. |
| 11:22.31 | flami | so you might be better off with the open source drivers |
| 11:23.03 | ttuttle | installs 2.6.29 from packages.d.o. |
| 11:23.12 | SparFuxXx | Yes, with HAL stopped, my X keyboard works. |
| 11:23.25 | hacker_kid | flami, sure i would love to keep this box open source (that driver was my last bit of closed crap) but i need one that can go above 800x600 resolution |
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| 11:23.43 | SparFuxXx | How can I keep HAL from affecting my X server? |
| 11:23.44 | ttuttle | tries rebooting into 2.6.29. |
| 11:23.49 | traveller820 | hacker_kid: if resolution is your only problem... have you tried going VESA? |
| 11:24.09 | flami | the opensource drivers have modestting and better 2d accelration then fglrx |
| 11:24.09 | traveller820 | you should be able to go all the way up to 1280x1024... and probably more |
| 11:24.13 | flami | so you should be fine |
| 11:24.21 | hacker_kid | traveller820, no i havent, im not very familiar with GUI configuration |
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| 11:24.31 | traveller820 | hacker_kid: oh :) |
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| 11:24.44 | hacker_kid | traveller820, got a good document up your sleeve? |
| 11:24.54 | flami | also Xserver 7.3 never had problems recognizing my ATI and screen . |
| 11:25.01 | hacker_kid | traveller820, i have been hidding in the shadows of CLI XD |
| 11:25.07 | traveller820 | mmm... last time I set it up I used dpkg-reconfigure, IIRC |
| 11:25.46 | hacker_kid | flami, not sure why but it kicks back to the generic drivers on this card. the other two ati cards work fine |
| 11:25.47 | traveller820 | told it to use VESA and selected the appropriate resolution |
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| 11:26.04 | flami | hu thats strange. |
| 11:26.19 | hacker_kid | traveller820, which package would i be reconfiguring? |
| 11:26.53 | flami | hacker_kid: tried to run lspci | grep VGA ? |
| 11:27.15 | flami | hacker_kid: you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg . |
| 11:27.16 | traveller820 | checks what dpkg-reconfigure to run,,, |
| 11:27.17 | hacker_kid | flami, 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51G [GeForce 6100] (rev a2) |
| 11:27.22 | flami | its an nvidia :P |
| 11:27.28 | flami | thats why it cant use fglrx ^^ |
| 11:27.39 | traveller820 | XD |
| 11:27.42 | traveller820 | that would be it |
| 11:28.05 | Sadist | rofl |
| 11:28.07 | Sadist | :) |
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| 11:28.58 | SparFuxXx | Option "AutoAddDevices" "boolean" would be my solution. |
| 11:29.14 | traveller820 | btw, the Lenny install disk freezes on my Targa Traveller 820 (guess the reason of the nick?) if I'm connected to a network on the integrated 8139... fortunately I've been able to install linux-image-2.6.29 and it works again. |
| 11:29.27 | flami | yes Im not so sure about the opensource drivers there. the nvidia one is crappy , and the nouveau driver is still largely experimental |
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| 11:30.40 | ewoerner | hi |
| 11:30.46 | ewoerner | is holger levsen round here? |
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| 11:31.06 | hacker_kid | flami, reconfiguring that package gives me nothing about switching to vesa |
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| 11:31.38 | ewoerner | other question: |
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| 11:31.59 | ewoerner | regarding talks for debconf 9, can one limit a talk to certain days? |
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| 11:32.23 | ewoerner | (not be able to be there most of the time, so...) |
| 11:32.33 | flami | hacker_kid: you realize that you have a nvidia card ? you need the nvidia driver ^^ |
| 11:33.00 | hacker_kid | flami, yeah i realized that. ubuntu restricted drivers told me it was an ati and that driver worked |
| 11:33.32 | hacker_kid | i figured i would try the vesa driver as recommended before i went hunting for a nvidia driver |
| 11:33.38 | traveller820 | flami: but hacker_kid can use VESA too if needed. hacker_kid, IIRC you can tell it to use a specific driver (it asks you at some point if you set the questino level to medium or something like that) |
| 11:33.49 | traveller820 | s/questino/question/ |
| 11:34.16 | dfss | hi everybody i want to install debian , and i saw a program "win32-loader". is it like wubi? i used wubi but it asked which partition that i wanted? if i use win32-loader can i choose my E partition? |
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| 11:34.25 | hacker_kid | traveller820, negative it didnt give me any such option running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 11:34.45 | traveller820 | hacker_kid: oh... checking dpkg-reconfigure's options... |
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| 11:35.29 | flami | I think it now does what the x.org people recommend , dont write aynthing in the xorg.conf |
| 11:35.30 | aspin_lweb | any postfix spam errors being reported here? |
| 11:35.47 | flami | i think youd be better off in #postfix |
| 11:35.52 | ttuttle | What package do I install to get the X.org x server and associated utilities? |
| 11:36.07 | aspin_lweb | thanks |
| 11:36.08 | ttuttle | I searched, but didn't see any sort of "xorg-base" or something. |
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| 11:36.10 | flami | Xserver-xorg |
| 11:36.14 | ttuttle | Okay, thanks. |
| 11:36.25 | ttuttle | Er, not found. |
| 11:36.31 | ttuttle | Ah, lowercase x. |
| 11:36.41 | ttuttle | Eew, it's installing all the video drivers. |
| 11:36.51 | ttuttle | mumbles something about Gentoo, make.conf, and the VIDEO_CARDS variable. |
| 11:38.13 | flami | oh sorry |
| 11:38.44 | flami | thats the xserver-xorg package , its allll |
| 11:38.54 | flami | well have a nice day |
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| 11:39.49 | bl4ckcomb | can anyone tell me why e2label returns "bad magic number" when I try to give a vfat (fat32) drive a label? |
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| 11:41.16 | traveller820 | bl4ckcomb: forgive my ignorance, but shouldn't e2label be used to label only ext2(/ext3?) partitions? |
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| 11:42.15 | bl4ckcomb | yes could be (its also the first time I tend to use it), but I can't find any alternatives for vfat... |
| 11:42.19 | traveller820 | looking up "linux label vfat partition" on Google brings up a method that uses mtools... |
| 11:42.28 | bl4ckcomb | hm |
| 11:42.39 | bl4ckcomb | I'll check that, ty |
| 11:42.57 | traveller820 | you are welcome (Google is your friend, citizen) ;) |
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| 11:46.47 | hacker_kid | traveller820, how can i shutdown and restart gdm without rebooting? |
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| 11:47.07 | simNIX | hacker_kid, /etc/init.d/gdm stp/start/restart |
| 11:47.11 | uwjweq | hacker_kid control + alt + backspace |
| 11:47.13 | hacker_kid | ty |
| 11:47.14 | bl4ckcomb | ctrl+alt+backspace hacker_kid |
| 11:47.41 | linkd | ctrl+alt+backspace kills X |
| 11:47.57 | uwjweq | It does |
| 11:48.15 | linkd | hardly the safest way to restart gdm |
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| 11:48.42 | datacrusher | morning |
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| 11:49.07 | traveller820 | linkd: /etc/init.d/gdm restart would probably better, but killing X works quite well for me. |
| 11:49.46 | linkd | they both work. just saying simNIX has the smarter recommended solution rather than ripping the guts out of X and thus gdm |
| 11:50.07 | uwjweq | linkd: What did ctrl + alt + backspace break for you again? |
| 11:50.11 | linkd | it doesn't do a lot of damage, it's just isnt a nice way |
| 11:50.20 | uwjweq | *yawn* |
| 11:50.29 | traveller820 | linkd: we are Linux users, we are supposed not to be nice :P |
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| 11:51.01 | Adrian` | and we have veards |
| 11:51.05 | Sadist | nice ? :) |
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| 11:51.15 | linkd | <Sadist> nice ? :) <-- that's humour! |
| 11:51.16 | uwjweq | linkd: What do you mean "not a lot of damage"? What did it damage for you? |
| 11:51.19 | hacker_kid | wow, remind me never to do that again |
| 11:51.23 | simNIX | with open source there are always more then one viable solutions to a problem ;) |
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| 11:51.29 | hacker_kid | i just screwed the install |
| 11:51.35 | uwjweq | yay |
| 11:51.37 | linkd | uwjweq, relax. you need a hug. |
| 11:51.40 | traveller820 | hacker_kid: ouch XD |
| 11:51.43 | linkd | hugs uwjweq tight like a teddy |
| 11:51.47 | traveller820 | dpkg --configure -a |
| 11:51.47 | dpkg | traveller820: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 11:51.56 | traveller820 | XDDD |
| 11:52.13 | hacker_kid | traveller820, not much to screw. just minimal and gnome. but there goes another 30 mins of downloading |
| 11:52.23 | Adrian` | then your not a good hacker |
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| 11:52.30 | traveller820 | hacker_kid: nope, you don't need to re-download anything |
| 11:52.35 | hacker_kid | traveller820, no. by screwed i mean non-bootable. trashed. destroyed. worthless. |
| 11:52.36 | traveller820 | iirc |
| 11:52.37 | uwjweq | linkd: I get it. That means ctrl+alt+backspace does not do any damage at all. |
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| 11:52.45 | traveller820 | oh? |
| 11:52.45 | linkd | *yawn* |
| 11:52.55 | hacker_kid | traveller820, wont even boot to CLI |
| 11:52.58 | traveller820 | omg |
| 11:53.01 | traveller820 | that's strange |
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| 11:53.06 | hacker_kid | yeah, just a bit |
| 11:53.07 | Adrian` | did your hard rive fagment? |
| 11:53.27 | hacker_kid | it boots to grub, starts loading and bam no output |
| 11:53.30 | traveller820 | Adrian`: it would seem hacker_kid was in the first stages of installation. |
| 11:53.42 | hacker_kid | traveller820, no i wasnt. |
| 11:53.44 | stew | uwjweq: whether or not ctrl+alt+backspace does anything bad depends on what is running inside X and what you might be inturrupting. the safe way is to exit your window manager, which should gracefully shut down the programs with X windows |
| 11:54.13 | traveller820 | hacker_kid: then it really makes no sense. Have you tried booting in single user mode? |
| 11:54.25 | hacker_kid | but i mean it just stops, no input to the monitor whatsoever. i never saw it like this |
| 11:54.25 | linkd | *sigh*. okay, if a process is mid way through a write operation and you slaughter the process what happens to the write operation (talking about needing multiple write instructions to complete the operation here)? ill tell you. the remaining writes do not happen. it isnt as nice because theres a possibility that data isn't in it's proper state. now, perhaps you need more hugs? I have hugs-a-plenty for you if you like. |
| 11:54.29 | hacker_kid | traveller820, yep same story |
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| 11:55.00 | traveller820 | hacker_kid: interesting. I have CtrlAltBkspaced many many times and never had something like that happen |
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| 11:55.26 | Tenkawa | greetings all |
| 11:55.35 | hacker_kid | traveller820, i have restarted gnome many times and never seen this. i have intentionally destroyed installations and never done this |
| 11:55.41 | hacker_kid | its very strange |
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| 11:56.04 | Adrian` | i want hugs |
| 11:56.04 | linkd | hugs Adrian` |
| 11:56.09 | Adrian` | aww <3 |
| 11:56.13 | linkd | <3 |
| 11:56.17 | Adrian` | this is why i love debian |
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| 11:56.32 | hacker_kid | lol |
| 11:56.34 | linkd | we're a huggable bunch |
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| 11:57.26 | linkd | mostly because we're tubby nerds who rarely exercise |
| 11:57.26 | Adrian` | i exercise |
| 11:57.26 | Tenkawa | got his macbook experiment working... yay |
| 11:57.26 | Adrian` | but i live in LA and like the beach so it's expected |
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| 11:57.43 | linkd | does your beach have wifi? if not, you wont find me there! |
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| 11:57.59 | hacker_kid | anyhoot. im off for a reinstall and hopefully a few less bugs. im beginning to think i should have burned a complete disc instead of a business card |
| 11:58.14 | Tenkawa | heh.. you just reminded me I need to go rollerblade shopping this weekend I think |
| 11:58.56 | pif | hi, is there a way to generate a beep when (accidentally) pressing CapsLock ? |
| 11:58.58 | Adrian` | linkd, in fact it does |
| 11:59.14 | Adrian` | we'll be web casting a wedding there on the 20th |
| 11:59.20 | linkd | really? that's awesome. |
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| 12:01.02 | Adrian` | yep |
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| 12:03.31 | flami | Is there volatile for lenny already? I kinda wanna get my hands on clamav 0.95 . |
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| 12:03.49 | liable | there is a volitile repo, yes |
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| 12:04.42 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 12:04.54 | boghog | what's volitile? |
| 12:05.07 | Tenkawa | is waiting for 2.6.27 to be avail :( |
| 12:05.18 | Tenkawa | no wireless drivers for my nic until then :( |
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| 12:05.30 | flami | its where they put stuff like virus scanners , where its better to stay with upstream to have all the features. |
| 12:05.31 | Adrian` | madwifi? |
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| 12:05.53 | Tenkawa | Adrian`: flakyish |
| 12:06.00 | Tenkawa | useable but not great |
| 12:06.07 | Tenkawa | according to what I've read |
| 12:06.22 | Tenkawa | ooh |
| 12:06.28 | Tenkawa | maybe not anymore :) |
| 12:06.37 | Tenkawa | notes to try that when he gets home |
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| 12:06.49 | Adrian` | hehe |
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| 12:07.37 | Tenkawa | bbl.. |
| 12:08.06 | jelly | judd: versions clamav |
| 12:08.06 | judd | jelly: clamav -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-3.1+etch14 etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch16 etch-backports: 0.94.dfsg.2-1~bpo40+1 etch-volatile: 0.94.dfsg.2-1~volatile1 lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1 squeeze: 0.94.dfsg.2-1 sid: 0.95+dfsg-2+b1 |
| 12:08.28 | jelly | flami: looks like it's not there yet |
| 12:08.49 | flami | nope doesnt look like it |
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| 12:08.57 | jelly | flami: but it shouldn't be too hard to make a backport; hopefully sid hasn't diverged that much yet |
| 12:09.18 | yup1 | hello |
| 12:09.56 | bolt | !qotd0 |
| 12:09.56 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
| 12:10.06 | flami | yeah ( but I'm lazy ^^ ). |
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| 12:11.19 | jelly | peeks into http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-clamav-devel/ for clues |
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| 12:11.59 | jelly | huh, there's a 0.95.1 as well |
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| 12:13.52 | flami | jelly , where can i see that ? packages.debian only tells me about etch volatile |
| 12:14.14 | flami | I saw them talk about it in the mailing list , thats why im wondering |
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| 12:14.15 | jelly | flami: I mean, the upstream version |
| 12:14.19 | yup1 | I'm using vnc to connect to remote computer (I'm connecting to real desktop, not a virtual session), so people can see on remote phisical screen what i'm doing. Can I somehow lock remote phisical screen but use that session with vnc ? |
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| 12:14.28 | flami | yes upstream is 0.95 ^^ |
| 12:14.35 | flami | ohh .1 ? neat |
| 12:16.10 | scientes | hohow do i filter aptitude to only show installed packages |
| 12:16.22 | scientes | and even better, to filter out those in the standard tasksel |
| 12:17.42 | flami | yup1: I think with NX remote desktop you can lock your screen when you log into your session ( in the node.cfg ) . but I dont know how to do it with VNC. |
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| 12:18.10 | champus | hey folks |
| 12:18.23 | champus | i wanna create a partition on my raid 5 with 2.7 TB space |
| 12:18.47 | champus | but when using cfdisk or fdisk the partitions maximum size is ~70gb |
| 12:18.50 | bolt | scientes: aptitude search '~i~poptional' '~i~pextra' or somesuch |
| 12:18.53 | champus | how to create huge partitions? |
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| 12:19.12 | yup1 | flami: thanks |
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| 12:19.35 | jelly | yup1: using x11vnc? man says "-grabkbd" |
| 12:20.11 | jelly | and -grabptr, but read about it |
| 12:20.20 | yup1 | yes, x11vnc. thanks. i'll try :) |
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| 12:37.40 | pirx_ | hi! is there some way to exclude certain files/dirs when creating a debian package with dpkg-deb (eg .svn dirs)? |
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| 12:39.33 | jelly | pirx_: not really, that kind of thing is done before creating the final tree |
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| 12:47.40 | zamba | how can i remove/purge just some packages from the apt-cacher-ng cache? |
| 12:47.59 | zamba | i'm getting a hash sum mismatch when trying to install openoffice through the cache |
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| 12:49.46 | smacnay | Hi, it seems that when I write to a usb device, my load average goes way up (7+) and the operation freezes and times out. The usb device resets and the operation is lost. I am not sure if this is a kernel issue although my kernel has not changed in some time, or if this is a software issue relating some recent updates. Anyone else having issues with usb devices? |
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| 12:50.02 | smacnay | I am using Deb testing and the Gnome de. |
| 12:50.29 | jelly | smacnay: did that same device work with this computer in the past? |
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| 12:50.57 | jelly | smacnay: (did writes work, I mean) |
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| 12:51.03 | smacnay | jelly yes |
| 12:51.08 | smacnay | flawlessly |
| 12:51.25 | smacnay | I also wonder if the usb bus is somehow defective now. |
| 12:52.01 | zoggy | hey, for the 2nd time, i've had a drive fail in a hardware raid array and completely lost the folders shared by nfs on that partition. is there another share type besides NFS or am i barking up the wrong tree? thanks! |
| 12:52.13 | jelly | smacnay: have you switched kernel versions in the meantime? Does the error persist after a reboot? |
| 12:52.22 | AciDouS | hello |
| 12:52.36 | smacnay | I am still using the 2.6.26 .deb kernel. |
| 12:52.56 | EmleyMoor | zoggy: Are you saying they disappeared seemingly because they were shared? |
| 12:52.58 | jelly | smacnay: which 2.6.26 .deb kernel? There're more than one. :-) |
| 12:53.07 | smacnay | jelly: I did try out the 2.6.29 kernel for about 5 minutes until I discovered that the nvidia driver will not compile for it. |
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| 12:53.29 | smacnay | jelly: 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 12:53.41 | zoggy | EmleyMoor: it just seems strange that only the rest of the nfs share was fine, but the folders we regularly use are trashed since the drive recovery |
| 12:54.03 | jelly | smacnay: ok, that's the older one. If the very same kernel worked before, you can assume it could be a hardware issue |
| 12:54.04 | zoggy | for me, points to the fact that NFS is possibly not doing a great job of the file sharing |
| 12:54.35 | EmleyMoor | zoggy: What RAID level is it onL |
| 12:54.36 | EmleyMoor | ? |
| 12:54.45 | zoggy | EmleyMoor: RAID 5 |
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| 12:54.53 | zoggy | EmleyMoor: makes no sense.. |
| 12:54.57 | smacnay | jelly: that is what I wonder... I will try a live disc and see if there are any issues. If so, it will be the card reader device or the usb bus |
| 12:55.09 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... no idea |
| 12:55.11 | sepski | zoggy, what filesystem on the raid ? |
| 12:55.19 | zoggy | sepski: ext3 |
| 12:55.32 | zoggy | is there a better (safer) filesystem |
| 12:55.37 | sepski | not realy |
| 12:55.49 | jelly | zoggy: does your hw raid have a parity verifying option? |
| 12:56.22 | zoggy | jelly: i'm not sure. i'll check in the raid setup quickly |
| 12:56.26 | zoggy | brb in 3 |
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| 12:58.40 | smacnay | jelly: I did notice some time ago that the usb media quit automounting as well. |
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| 13:01.34 | jelly | zoggy: at first sight, could be either a weird nfs/cache related issue, or your raid controller is making silent write failures |
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| 13:02.21 | jelly | zoggy: if there's a parity verify function, running it regularly might reveal write errors before a disk fails |
| 13:03.06 | zoggy | jelly: thanks a lot. for some crazy reason, it's not letting me into the raid setup now, but i'll check that out |
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| 13:03.23 | zoggy | was wondering whether there's a better filesharing mechanism than ext3 / nfs |
| 13:03.25 | jelly | zoggy: ext3 is probably _the_ most exercised filesystem for Linux |
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| 13:04.54 | pirx_ | jelly: so i need to copy all of the pkg contents out of the svn first before creating a .deb. hmm. or you have some other idea? |
| 13:04.58 | scientes | ext3+nfs is the standard |
| 13:05.00 | jelly | zoggy: we've been using ext3+nfs to serve pop3 for ~200k users, with peaks of ~25Mbps usage, lots of reads and deletes of small files, never had problems |
| 13:05.19 | jelly | pirx_: that's the general idea, right |
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| 13:05.52 | pirx_ | jelly: ok thanks! |
| 13:06.33 | zoggy | jelly: thanks a lot. i've always used ext3+nfs and been happy. perhaps it's the intel srcs16 raid controller as i see a lot of complaints regarding performance etc. i think i'll check out the hardware side for a bit as you've renewed my confidence in ext3 thanks! |
| 13:06.37 | zoggy | much appreciated |
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| 13:09.16 | mbent | hi, I just upgraded and half the functions on my laptop stopped working (its an asus). After further investigation, it seems like the asus-laptop module is no more. Anyone know what happened to it with the latest kernel? |
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| 13:15.40 | mbent | anyone? |
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| 13:16.33 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 13:16.33 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search> |
| 13:16.57 | mbent | zamuro, do you know? |
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| 13:17.24 | alfatau | hello, i'm trying to compile the latest 2.6.29.1 kernel but i get an error which seems due to a compiler bug. Now i've gcc-4.3 compiler. What could i do to use another compiler version to do my job? i tried replacing the /usr/bin/gcc link (which points to cc in /etc/alternatives/) with another gcc version's executable, but it doesn't work. thanks for your attention |
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| 13:18.32 | flami | I just wanted to say that debian/rlues ;) |
| 13:18.43 | flami | dang ... debian/rules |
| 13:18.47 | rvalles | alfatau: try pasting the error to some pastebin and linking to it here |
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| 13:18.51 | mbent | flami, too much to drink? ;) |
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| 13:19.05 | alfatau | ok |
| 13:19.05 | flami | naa compiling clamav ^^ |
| 13:19.06 | zamuro | know, what? |
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| 13:19.35 | dlynes | I can't remember offhand |
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| 13:19.44 | mbent | zamuro, if you know what happened to asus-laptop in the latest kernel |
| 13:19.45 | dlynes | How do you mount the proc filesystem? |
| 13:19.46 | patintin | waves |
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| 13:19.53 | flami | maybe they should include debian/rules world . |
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| 13:20.34 | jak_ | Hey I was wondering if someone could help me get my sound working. |
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| 13:21.27 | zamuro | No. I don't. Have you read anything about it on mail lists or something? |
| 13:21.58 | mbent | zamuro, i've looked, can't see anything. It seems the module has just been randomly left out of the latest stock kernel |
| 13:22.05 | zamuro | A little research before coming to IRC does the trick most of times. |
| 13:22.08 | mbent | but i can't find anything to support that |
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| 13:22.12 | mbent | i've looked. |
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| 13:22.29 | patintin | i just installed ejabberd and jwchat packages on my debian lenny. ejabberd works fine; i can register and send/receive messages using pidgin. my problem in on jwchat because i cannot make it work no matter how i follow the documentation at http://www.ejabberd.im/jwchat-apache .. |
| 13:22.50 | zamuro | Have you tried looking for the module alone? I mean, an older version or something... |
| 13:23.08 | patintin | anybody in here is running jwchat on debian lenny? |
| 13:23.24 | drwn | help me with my email system with postfix, mysql, courier and virtual account |
| 13:23.57 | drwn | I'm follow this guide http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-domains-postfix-courier-mysql-squirrelmail-debian-lenny-p4 |
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| 13:24.00 | mbent | zamuro, I could probably download it and compile it, but would like to know why it isn't included in the stock |
| 13:24.21 | mbent | drwn, www.workaround.org |
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| 13:24.39 | drwn | but a receive a warning in my log: virtual_alias_maps map lookup problem for postmaster@domain.tld |
| 13:25.14 | alfatau | rvalles: http://paste.debian.net/33454/ |
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| 13:25.37 | drwn | I don't know that address "domian.tld" |
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| 13:26.25 | patintin | anyone can help me here? some info about my setup is at http://pastebin.ca/1391678 |
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| 13:27.03 | jak_ | I'm using Debian Lenny, and the sound isn't working, when I start Amarok I get a 'xine was unable to initialise any audio drivers' error message. My sound card is a Creative Labs SB X-Fi. Can anyone help? |
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| 13:28.28 | cahoot | I doubt alsa supports X-f |
| 13:28.31 | cahoot | i |
| 13:29.41 | jak_ | oss maybe? |
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| 13:30.20 | cahoot | jak_: might be I suppose wrong |
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| 13:31.09 | dlynes | What a pain in the ass, recovering from an apt-pinning gone horribly wrong |
| 13:31.22 | dlynes | On the upside, if nothing fails, I'll have Lenny installed instead of etch :) |
| 13:31.26 | Tenkawa | dlynes: ouch |
| 13:31.51 | mbent | dlynes, have fun with that :( |
| 13:31.56 | dlynes | yeah...no doubt |
| 13:32.02 | dlynes | I've been working on it all night |
| 13:32.08 | dlynes | Without a working install |
| 13:32.13 | dlynes | I don't have phone service :( |
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| 13:32.44 | cahoot | jak_: seems to be hope for the future though: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Creative_Labs |
| 13:32.47 | dlynes | I guess it serves me right for trying to my phone system on my main desktop machine |
| 13:33.20 | dlynes | Hopefullly it doesn't delete all my postgresql and mysql databases |
| 13:33.43 | cahoot | jak_: Quote from the site: Card delivered to developers. Completely new architecture. Creative have supplied a data sheet to developers. Development work has started. |
| 13:33.55 | Tenkawa | dlynes: running asterisk? |
| 13:34.00 | dlynes | yes |
| 13:34.09 | Tenkawa | heh yeah I had one of those setups a few years ago |
| 13:34.14 | jak_ | :D |
| 13:34.24 | dlynes | Tenkawa: i will for a while |
| 13:34.38 | dlynes | Tenkawa: I do subcontracting for two different voip companies |
| 13:34.39 | theswellseason | I am new to running debian and need to get files off my windows partition onto my debian partition. Is there anyone who can point me to a good tutorial, or walk me throug it? |
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| 13:34.58 | Lokaf | Does anyone know where I would install Firefox? /usr/lib/mozilla/ ? |
| 13:34.58 | Tenkawa | dlynes: ahhh |
| 13:35.15 | Tenkawa | can you ftp/scp off your config and rebuild? |
| 13:35.18 | Tenkawa | if needed |
| 13:35.28 | Tenkawa | (just in case this upgrade doesnt work) |
| 13:35.34 | dlynes | Tenkawa: one I don't have full access to the servers, and so i'm relegated to running sip |
| 13:35.41 | Tenkawa | ahhh |
| 13:35.42 | dlynes | Tenkawa: the other one, I run iax2 to |
| 13:35.47 | Tenkawa | ouch.. |
| 13:35.50 | stew | theswellseason: do you know the device name of your windows partition? like /dev/hda1 or /dev/sda3 or something similar? |
| 13:35.58 | dlynes | Tenkawa: running sip, using ulaw over Rogers cable is murder |
| 13:36.06 | Tenkawa | heh |
| 13:36.07 | theswellseason | how would I find that out, stew? |
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| 13:36.21 | stew | theswellseason: perhaps "fdisk -l" would help you figure out which it is |
| 13:36.22 | flami | jak_: I read somewhere that theres a really early attempt to get x-fi working , but I dont know if its actaully usable |
| 13:36.41 | stew | theswellseason: if its not obvious to you, you could paste the output of that command to a pastebin and we'd help you |
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| 13:36.56 | flami | jak_: Also i think creative released a amd64 binary only driver for OSS. |
| 13:36.57 | theswellseason | okay, I'll take a look at it. |
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| 13:37.29 | jak_ | Ok thanks. |
| 13:37.30 | dlynes | Lenny's still using python 2.5? |
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| 13:37.34 | Lokaf | Anyone? :) |
| 13:37.42 | Tenkawa | Lokaf: the question? |
| 13:38.01 | jelly | dlynes: yes. lenny will use it forever |
| 13:38.02 | Lokaf | <Lokaf> Does anyone know where I would install Firefox? /usr/lib/mozilla/ ? |
| 13:38.23 | stew | Lokaf: why not just "aptitude install iceweasel" and let the package manager install it for you? |
| 13:38.27 | flami | jak_: http://opensource.creative.com/soundcard.html |
| 13:38.37 | jelly | Lokaf: anywhere you want. I'd go with /opt/firefox, personally |
| 13:38.43 | theswellseason | stew, do I need to be root to run fdisk? when I run it from my user it says command not found, but I can access the man page |
| 13:38.44 | dlynes | Lokaf: Normally, I install it in /opt/firefox/firefox-3.0, because it insists on using a different version of gtk |
| 13:38.51 | stew | theswellseason: yes, you'd need to be root |
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| 13:39.04 | Lokaf | <stew> Lokaf: why not just "aptitude install iceweasel" and let the package manager install it for you? |
| 13:39.07 | Lokaf | Different reasons. |
| 13:39.16 | stew | Lokaf: such as? |
| 13:39.20 | dlynes | Lokaf: the debian developers have an issue with the licensing of firefox, and that is why debian doesn't include firefox |
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| 13:39.26 | Lokaf | I heard some websites block iceweasal. |
| 13:39.39 | Lokaf | Something about CNN's site blocking it from watching the videos? |
| 13:39.49 | dlynes | Lokaf: the same websites that block iceweasel probably also block firefox on linux |
| 13:39.54 | stew | Lokaf: i haven't had such problems |
| 13:39.57 | theswellseason | stew : http://pastebin.com/m5aa4087c |
| 13:40.05 | jak_ | Aha! Cheers. |
| 13:40.16 | stew | Lokaf: for sites that might not recognize the user-agent: /msg dpkg iceweasel user-agent |
| 13:40.23 | flami | have a nice day everyone |
| 13:40.24 | dlynes | Lokaf: they do a check to see if you're running firefox or internet explorer on windows, or safari, firefox, or internet explorer on the mac |
| 13:40.56 | dlynes | Lokaf: you have to fool those sites into thinking otherwise with an add-on that allows you to specify the user-agent...sorta like what stew's suggesting |
| 13:41.12 | stew | theswellseason: so you have two ntfs partitions, /dev/sda1 is probably your 'C:' drive, and /dev/sda3 is perhaps a 'D:' drive? |
| 13:41.17 | Lokaf | Yeah, I know. |
| 13:41.26 | Lokaf | I'm just picky, I guess. :P |
| 13:41.29 | theswellseason | Okay |
| 13:41.32 | stew | theswellseason: if you were to run "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" then all of the files on your C: drive would show up in the /mnt directory |
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| 13:41.52 | theswellseason | okay. and then I could just use cp to copy those to /home/swell? |
| 13:41.55 | stew | theswellseason: you could also do something like "mkdir /windows ; mount /dev/sda1 /windows" if you prefer |
| 13:41.59 | stew | theswellseason: yes |
| 13:41.59 | infinity0 | what's the difference between using badblocks -w and badblocks -n ? |
| 13:42.26 | theswellseason | okay thanks stew. I'll try that. will you be here if I run into any issues? |
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| 13:43.01 | stew | theswellseason: off and on. but lots of people here would be able to help you |
| 13:43.19 | stew | theswellseason: if you need this to be a permanant solution (like your windows drive is always available), try /msg dpkg ntfsro |
| 13:43.29 | dlynes | Anyone know where perl stores the search path for modules in debian? |
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| 13:44.00 | dlynes | It's gone and removed my manual install of 5.10, and still has that path in the search path |
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| 13:44.12 | dlynes | So now it can't find anything in Debconf/* |
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| 13:45.01 | Lokaf | One more question; what's up with multiple Debian options in grub, when I boot up? |
| 13:45.11 | ktwilight | is /etc/hosts.deny invoke on every connection request, or on every service request? |
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| 13:45.31 | Lokaf | I have the options of 2.6.26-2-686 and 2.6.26-1-686 in grub. |
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| 13:45.42 | jelly | Lokaf: each installed kernel has two entries in grub menu by default |
| 13:45.45 | ttuttle | Hey. |
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| 13:45.48 | cahoot | kernel upgraded? |
| 13:45.53 | ttuttle | I'm upgrading from lenny to sid. What do I need in my sources.list? |
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| 13:46.05 | stew | ttuttle: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 13:46.06 | ttuttle | (I have deb http://.../ sid main contrib non-free) |
| 13:46.15 | jelly | Lokaf: you get the new one, to use, and the old one is _not deleted automatically_ just in case the new one fails for you |
| 13:46.17 | theswellseason | stew, I'm trying to get some of my music out of iTunes, and it's telling me that 'iTunes' is not a directory, but I can cd into that dir |
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| 13:46.59 | jelly | Lokaf: once you've confirmed 2.6.26-2-686 works well on your machine, you can remove linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 manually |
| 13:47.00 | ttuttle | stew: Uh, the current lenny kernel does not support my wireless card, and the current lenny X11 does not support my graphics card. |
| 13:47.02 | stew | theswellseason: is it perhaps itunes or Itunes or some other capitalization? can you paste what you are seeing into a pastebin? |
| 13:47.03 | Lokaf | jelly; so both of those options are supposed to be there? I have 4 options in all, including (single user mode), or whatever. |
| 13:47.12 | Lokaf | Oh, okay. |
| 13:47.17 | stew | ttuttle: which wireless card? which graphics card? |
| 13:47.18 | Lokaf | I rm it from /boot/ right? |
| 13:47.19 | jelly | Lokaf: that's expected, yes |
| 13:47.27 | dlynes | !dpkg ttuttle lenny->sid |
| 13:47.30 | stew | ttuttle: these are certainly not reasons to switch to sid |
| 13:47.41 | cahoot | Lokaf: use aptitude |
| 13:47.42 | jelly | Lokaf: remove the package linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 with aptitude |
| 13:47.47 | Lokaf | mk. |
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| 13:48.27 | theswellseason | stew: http://pastebin.com/m5aac6287 |
| 13:48.36 | Lokaf | Thanks, jelly, and cahoot. :) |
| 13:48.41 | ttuttle | stew: iwl5350 and i965 (I think?) |
| 13:49.15 | stew | ttuttle: what kernel version supports iwl5350? |
| 13:49.57 | stew | theswellseason: i don't think you mean /iTunes i think you mean 'iTunes' or '/windows/users/swell/music/iTunes' |
| 13:50.08 | stew | theswellseason: and you are probably going to want cp -r not just cp |
| 13:50.15 | theswellseason | oksy |
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| 13:50.56 | ttuttle | stew: uh, it was added in .27 or .28. I know .29 works well. |
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| 13:51.28 | stew | ttuttle: well i'd recommend just installing a newer kernel, perhaps one you compile yourself |
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| 13:53.20 | Tenkawa | does itunes work in wine? |
| 13:54.04 | Tenkawa | stew: hey.. do you know if theres going to be cd image updates for 5.0.1 ? |
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| 13:54.17 | Tenkawa | I notice 5.0.0 is still the linked image |
| 13:54.50 | stew | Tenkawa: yes, there will be |
| 13:55.00 | Tenkawa | cool |
| 13:55.14 | Tenkawa | apt-get does the job for now (mostly curious for offline builds) |
| 13:55.31 | christoz | greetings, what does this mean? "It also considers user-driven consolidation constraints" |
| 13:55.46 | Tenkawa | christoz: gotta give us more context than just that |
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| 13:56.21 | christoz | to start a VM according to requirement and rank expressions consisting on |
| 13:56.21 | christoz | infrastructure parameters. It also considers user-driven consolidation con- |
| 13:56.22 | christoz | straints. |
| 13:56.30 | Tenkawa | oops |
| 13:56.32 | lancelot | hallo everybody, why can't i find gnome-cups-manager in testing repositories? |
| 13:56.49 | Tenkawa | wow.. that is some "unique" wording |
| 13:56.57 | Tenkawa | oooh |
| 13:57.18 | Tenkawa | it may refer to user constraints being ordered based on how much is allocated to that vm's pool |
| 13:57.43 | Tenkawa | so it picks the host that is best suited for the amount of resources your user/vm is allowed to have |
| 13:57.47 | Tenkawa | just a guess though |
| 13:57.58 | christoz | sounds very logical Tenkawa |
| 13:58.01 | christoz | thanks |
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| 13:58.30 | Tenkawa | no problem... don't quote me but from a logical pooling standpoint it seems to make sense |
| 13:58.36 | Lokaf | Dang it. |
| 13:58.54 | Lokaf | So I do: apt-get install build-essential. This should make gmake available, right? |
| 13:59.10 | Tenkawa | christoz: definitely crucial in an clustered vm environment for sure |
| 13:59.23 | grandemahatma | hi! I installed debian with LXDE.. how can I update the terminal emulator lxterminal? |
| 13:59.24 | Lokaf | I'm still getting: bash: gmake: command not found |
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| 13:59.50 | Tenkawa | Lokaf: no |
| 14:00.03 | Lokaf | :( |
| 14:00.08 | Lokaf | Explain? |
| 14:00.10 | Tenkawa | gmake is an alias |
| 14:00.14 | Tenkawa | just means gnu make |
| 14:00.16 | Frantic | guys, is there any easy way in debian to save iptables configuration over reboots? for example some distros have iptables in /etc/init.d/iptables with a save option |
| 14:00.17 | dlynes | Lokaf: apt-get install make |
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| 14:00.35 | wintellect | Hi all |
| 14:00.37 | Lokaf | dlynes:; 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 14:00.42 | dlynes | Lokaf: the default make tool for debian is gmake |
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| 14:00.47 | Tenkawa | dlynes: gmake isnt a standard binary name |
| 14:00.53 | Tenkawa | /usr/bin/gmake that is |
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| 14:00.59 | Stone | hi |
| 14:01.03 | dlynes | oh doh...wasn't paying attention |
| 14:01.13 | dlynes | Lokaf: you'll need to create a symbolic link to fix that |
| 14:01.17 | Tenkawa | just verified that with apt-file |
| 14:01.18 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 14:01.19 | Lokaf | mhm. |
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| 14:01.25 | Tenkawa | symbolic link should take care of it |
| 14:01.39 | Tenkawa | must be a really old or non-standard makefile |
| 14:01.43 | dlynes | Lokaf: it's probably some makefile that assumes you're using redhat |
| 14:01.46 | Stone | i have to restart my debian after update now my nvidia driver doesnt start what should i do???? |
| 14:01.50 | Tenkawa | or not using autoconf/configure ehind the scenes |
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| 14:01.57 | wintellect | I am failing to understand how to update a Debian setup. To keep it up-to-date with security fixes, etc. Is it all done through "apt-get dist-upgrade" like in Ubuntu? |
| 14:02.01 | grandemahatma | hi! I installed debian with LXDE.. how can I update the terminal emulator lxterminal? |
| 14:02.02 | Tenkawa | Stone: whats the error |
| 14:02.04 | Lokaf | So what should I do to make said symbolic link? |
| 14:02.23 | wintellect | Lokaf: man ls |
| 14:02.35 | dlynes | Lokaf: ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/bin/gmake |
| 14:02.41 | Stone | Tenkawa: Failed to load NVIDIA kernel modul |
| 14:02.51 | Tenkawa | Stone: did you rebuild the module? |
| 14:03.00 | dlynes | wintellect: ls gets you a directory listing, not a symbolic link |
| 14:03.08 | Shadur | Well, that went unsurprisingly smooth. |
| 14:03.25 | Lokaf | Thanks. |
| 14:03.43 | Lokaf | Ah, gotta love geany. :D |
| 14:03.44 | wintellect | dlynes: hmmm, I meant ln but hit "s" instead of "n" |
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| 14:03.55 | Shadur | Software dist-upgrade from sarge->etch->lenny in under half an hour with only one reboot (new kernel since I needed something better than 2.6.18 for the new udev) |
| 14:03.57 | grandemahatma | I installed debian with LXDE.. how can I update the terminal emulator lxterminal? |
| 14:03.57 | dlynes | Lokaf: geany 3 or 4? |
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| 14:04.04 | Tenkawa | Shadur: heheh |
| 14:04.08 | Stone | Tenkawa: i have installed a ready package |
| 14:04.24 | Tenkawa | Stone: well if the kernel changes you still gotta relink the module |
| 14:04.29 | Lokaf | 4, I believe. |
| 14:04.35 | Lokaf | Just started using it, and like what I see. |
| 14:04.39 | Tenkawa | read the instructions with the nvidia package |
| 14:04.41 | dlynes | Lokaf: are you using lenny, or ubuntu? |
| 14:04.45 | Lokaf | lenny. |
| 14:04.54 | dlynes | Lokaf: ah...cool |
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| 14:05.19 | theswellseason | stew, that worked really well. thanks for all your help! |
| 14:05.22 | dlynes | Lokaf: i just remembered it was too much work to get it to work with etch, so i gave up, and geany 3 wasn't useful enough for me to switch from vim |
| 14:05.35 | Shadur | The other system's going to be trickier. It's so old it still sports a 2.4 kernel. |
| 14:05.41 | Tenkawa | Shadur: ouch |
| 14:06.06 | module000 | dlynes: is anything usefull enough to warrant that? ;] |
| 14:06.07 | Lokaf | That sucks. |
| 14:06.29 | grandemahatma | I installed debian with LXDE.. how can I update the terminal emulator lxterminal? |
| 14:06.34 | dlynes | module000: geany 4 has some really excellent support for python editting, so yes |
| 14:06.39 | Lokaf | I've heard good things about it, and hope it lives up to it. |
| 14:06.50 | Shadur | Tenkawa: I've already crashed and burned once on this -- Any 2.6 kernel needs modern versions of the utils, which sarge doesn't have. But etch/lenny can't and won't work on a 2.4 kernel. |
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| 14:06.53 | dlynes | module000: i wouldn't give up vim entirely....just for python |
| 14:07.13 | Shadur | Wound up having to wipe and reinstall, which isn't going to be an option. |
| 14:07.19 | module000 | dlynes: good point...python complains when i mix/match indention methods in vim |
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| 14:07.33 | Lokaf | That's weird; isn't there supposed to be a console that you can utilize on geany? |
| 14:07.42 | Lokaf | Below scribble, etc. |
| 14:08.01 | dlynes | Lokaf: there is on geany 3...don't know why there wouldn't be on geany 4 as well |
| 14:08.14 | dlynes | Lokaf: did you make sure that konsole is installed? |
| 14:08.22 | Lokaf | Yes, it is. |
| 14:09.16 | Lokaf | Geany 0.14? |
| 14:10.17 | Stone | Tenkawa: sry, but what are you talking about, i have no instruction pages |
| 14:11.12 | Tenkawa | Stone: #nvidia would probably be a better place to ask |
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| 14:11.52 | Tenkawa | that channel is for the nvidia linux driver itself (questions,etc,etc) |
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| 14:15.51 | Ungy | is something severely borked with x-windows on Sid or is it just me? |
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| 14:16.35 | Shadur | Not just you. Not sure /what/ happened but gnome went completely nonfunctional on me last friday. Something with the fonts, but it's more systemic -- but running Enlightenment instead has no problems. |
| 14:16.36 | dlynes | Ungy: isn't sid by its very definition 'unstable'? |
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| 14:17.07 | Shadur | dlynes: Hence we're implying 'more than usual'. |
| 14:17.35 | Ungy | dlynes it is unstable but not generally this bad. |
| 14:18.09 | Ungy | OK so it is Gnome then I will try another manager temporarily |
| 14:18.14 | Ungy | thanks |
| 14:18.20 | dlynes | It's gotta be more stable than my apt-pinned etch |
| 14:18.27 | grandemahatma | I installed debian with LXDE.. how can I update the terminal emulator lxterminal? |
| 14:18.43 | dlynes | My install's completely borked...almost finished the dist-upgrade to lenny....12 hours later :( |
| 14:20.06 | grandemahatma | I installed debian with LXDE.. how can I update the terminal emulator lxterminal? I cannot run apt-get install lxterminal because it says it cannot find the package.. |
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| 14:21.22 | grandemahatma | is there anybody willing to answer my question? |
| 14:21.42 | grandemahatma | even a fuckoff would do.. |
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| 14:22.32 | Ungy | grandemahatma: that would be cruel if everyone who didn't know how to answer your question did there would be a severe flood |
| 14:22.34 | Nikke | do i have to install some font package to get smoother fonts in iceweasel? |
| 14:22.54 | at0m | he's gone already =] |
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| 14:23.10 | Ungy | Shadur: I installed enlightenment and the fonts are so damn small I can't even read it ;-( |
| 14:23.21 | at0m | Ungy, let him call the hotline next time :o |
| 14:23.28 | Ungy | heh |
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| 14:24.46 | dlynes | geany 0.14 == Geany 4? |
| 14:24.49 | vmlinz | When emacs-snapshot will come back to debian as official package? Anyone knows? |
| 14:24.50 | dlynes | i.e. kde4 version? |
| 14:25.43 | vmlinz | At the time I have to add extra sources in order to get emacs23 |
| 14:25.43 | Ungy | well at least twm works when I zoom fonts |
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| 14:27.24 | dlynes | Lokaf: you still here? |
| 14:27.33 | Lokaf | Yes. |
| 14:27.41 | Lokaf | I found the issue though. |
| 14:27.52 | dlynes | Lokaf: is geany 0.14 the version that uses KDE4? |
| 14:28.00 | Lokaf | Yes, I use KDE. |
| 14:28.04 | abrotman | guess he didn't want to wait .. oh well |
| 14:28.13 | dlynes | Lokaf: I just realized it comes with Lenny |
| 14:28.38 | dlynes | Looks like lenny comes with KDE 4.3, too |
| 14:28.44 | Lokaf | :p |
| 14:29.03 | dlynes | or not |
| 14:29.09 | dlynes | KDE 4.3 isn't out yet... |
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| 14:29.28 | dlynes | ah...nvm it's KDE 3.5 |
| 14:29.43 | Ungy | you know it sucks when I am stuck in windows seven cause I can't get sid working ;-( |
| 14:30.14 | dlynes | Lokaf: and kde 3.5 was released nov 29, 2005 :( |
| 14:30.18 | stew | Ungy: it sounds like your dpi is wrong |
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| 14:30.56 | alex12 | is there a package manager / viewer, that could provide information on packages from other operating systems? for example im on ubuntu/debian, and i wanted to get a list of packages from a another OS such as redhat/freebsd etc, and then be able to view the information on that package such as dependances, file size, authour , homepage etc? |
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| 14:31.03 | Ungy | stew maybe happened after my upgrade this morning guess I could modify it see if it helps |
| 14:31.29 | Ungy | alex12 you want somethign like yum on Debian? |
| 14:31.36 | Stone | how to reinstall a package? |
| 14:31.40 | alex12 | well a bit more comlpicated infact,# |
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| 14:31.49 | alex12 | Ungy, im looking for something like: |
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| 14:32.13 | alex12 | http://dir.filewatcher.com/d/Mandrake/2009.0/i586/Development/Debug/WindowMaker-debug-0.92.0-19mdv2009.0.i586.rpm.2827106.html |
| 14:32.16 | alex12 | as an example |
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| 14:32.35 | Ungy | Stone apt-get install --reinstall packagename |
| 14:32.39 | alex12 | im assume they are getting it from the HEADER tag in the file |
| 14:32.53 | alex12 | but im wondering if thats possible without having to download each file, extracting |
| 14:32.54 | alex12 | etc |
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| 14:32.56 | Ungy | alex12 interesting never seen that |
| 14:33.00 | Stone | ungy: nothing happen |
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| 14:33.26 | Ungy | Stone umm did you type that into a terminal? |
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| 14:33.42 | Stone | oh sry |
| 14:33.46 | Ungy | Stone you also need to have root privleges to run that command |
| 14:33.58 | Lokaf | Anyone know how to add and remove applications from the menu list? |
| 14:34.02 | Stone | i wrote it wrong |
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| 14:34.13 | alex12 | Ungy, yeah just wondering how its done, thats alot of TB to download to achieve all packages for this listing: http://dir.filewatcher.com/packages-directory.html |
| 14:34.23 | Ungy | Lokaf what menu list exactly? |
| 14:34.27 | alex12 | but then how does one get this information if there is no HEADER files? |
| 14:34.50 | Lokaf | The main menu, like clicking the start button in Windows. |
| 14:35.10 | Ungy | alex12 not sure I don't have packaging experience but I would assume it has header files or a dependency reference file somewhere |
| 14:35.21 | Ungy | Lokaf what window manager? |
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| 14:36.11 | Lokaf | Nevermind, found out how. |
| 14:36.55 | Ungy | hey stew do you know off hand which file the font's dpi is set? I think I might be at 100dpi I want to switch to 75 and try that |
| 14:36.56 | alex12 | Ungy, hrm well it looks like the HEADER files within a rpm package would work, deb files you can query directly with dpkg, |
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| 14:37.02 | alex12 | .tar.gz's for bsd no clue yet |
| 14:37.57 | stew | Ungy: its possible to configure it in a number of ways in x. you can switch it at runtime with xrandr, you should be able to specify a monitor size in xorg.conf ifs it being caclulated incorrectly |
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| 14:39.06 | nabziF | I want to back out a recent upgrade, my /var/cache/apt/archives doesn't contain the files I want. Where is an official archive of non-current .deb files? |
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| 14:39.31 | Ungy | stew thanks I am looking through xorg.conf at the moment I am currently at 1600x1200 ;-) |
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| 14:40.11 | stew | Ungy: you might also try removing xorg.conf |
| 14:40.22 | stew | Ungy: to see how you do with the defaults |
| 14:40.30 | Ungy | ahh not a bad idea |
| 14:40.37 | Ungy | think I will try that one |
| 14:40.47 | zmotok | hello everyone, i'm using debian sid, and since the upgrade to udev 140, modules are not automatically loaded, if i load them manually the devices have wrong permissions.. and the downgrade to udev 125 doesn't solve it; is it a known problem? |
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| 14:41.29 | at0m | zmotok, checked the bug list/changelog? |
| 14:41.46 | at0m | zmotok, i'd guess that's where known problems are kept |
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| 14:42.06 | zmotok | at0m: yes, i've checked it, and it doesn't appear |
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| 14:42.40 | at0m | oki.. |
| 14:42.43 | stew | zmotok: you might try /msg dpkg fresh udev config |
| 14:42.43 | zmotok | at0m: there have been changes from 125 to 140, such as last rule is now the one that gets applied, not the first, but this is not related to that |
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| 14:43.12 | zmotok | stew: thanks, i'll try that now |
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| 14:45.11 | Ungy | stew yeah that worked I can at least see shit now |
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| 14:45.30 | stew | is that what you were hoping to see? shit? |
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| 14:47.22 | Ungy | stew not what I was hopping to see but yeah no gnome :-( |
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| 14:52.33 | zmotok | stew: purging the package and reinstalling from 0 didn't do anything; udev still doesn't actually read its own 91-permissions rule |
| 14:53.15 | stew | zmotok: checked the bts? |
| 14:53.17 | zmotok | all devices have root:root as owner, driving me nuts |
| 14:53.26 | zmotok | stew: bts? |
| 14:53.34 | stew | zmotok: bug tracking system |
| 14:53.42 | zmotok | stew: oh, yes, of course |
| 14:54.02 | zmotok | it's interesting that udev has no actual log |
| 14:54.04 | zmotok | just a monitor mode |
| 14:54.16 | zmotok | so i can't pinpoint exactly what happened |
| 14:54.32 | dlynes | grrrr....apt-pinning is now officially the bane of my existence :( |
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| 14:55.00 | zmotok | dlynes: yeah but useful when kde 3.5.10 is so much better than 4.2, and u still like to use sid :P |
| 14:55.48 | dlynes | Yeah...I don't have enough hours in a day to deal with all the headaches, though :( |
| 14:55.48 | stew | dlynes: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:56.12 | dlynes | stew: I was trying to get glibc2.4 under etch, and borked my system severely |
| 14:56.29 | dlynes | stew: for the last 12 hours or so, i've been doing a dist-upgrade to lenny to try to fix the borkness |
| 14:56.40 | stew | dlynes: yeah, that's not a good idea, if you need a newer glibc, upgrade to stable |
| 14:57.02 | stew | and i'm hoping you mean 2.7 not 2.4 |
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| 14:59.17 | aprendiz001 | I have just upgraded to lenny from etch |
| 14:59.24 | aprendiz001 | but something was bad |
| 14:59.31 | aprendiz001 | upgrade the kernel but not the grub |
| 14:59.37 | aprendiz001 | happen to anyone too? |
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| 15:00.08 | nabziF | I want to back out a recent upgrade, my /var/cache/apt/archives doesn't contain the files I want. Where is an official archive of non-current .deb or tar.bz+diff files? |
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| 15:02.01 | liable | nabziF: snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:02.22 | stew | nabziF: however snapshot.debian.net is not currently maintained, so probably nowhere |
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| 15:02.51 | giaco | my apt says that he's going to delete the kernel if I install bazaatr |
| 15:03.12 | giaco | those packages will be removed: base-config initrd-tools kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql phpmyadmin |
| 15:03.21 | giaco | he's going to destroy my system |
| 15:04.06 | EmleyMoor | giaco: That shouldn't happen... if I were you I'd go into aptitude and see if you can enable all of those packages and bazaar at the same time... |
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| 15:04.32 | stew | giaco: you are running an outdated version of sarge. you should upgrade to etch, then upgrade to lenny |
| 15:04.59 | stew | giaco: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy bazaatr libc6" use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:05.21 | theswellseason | can I ask another question: I'm trying to get Adobe Flash Player to work, but I've got 64bit architecture and there is nothing for that architecture. has anyone found a solution to that? |
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| 15:05.42 | module000 | theswellseason: you use the 32bit plugin, there are a few tutorials if you google |
| 15:05.50 | stew | theswellseason: install the flashplugin-nonfree package in contrib. if you are on stable you have to get it from backports.org |
| 15:05.56 | stew | there is no reason to use a 32 bit plugin |
| 15:06.12 | theswellseason | I'm on lenny |
| 15:06.21 | theswellseason | is that stable? |
| 15:06.28 | stew | yes |
| 15:06.28 | EmleyMoor | theswellseason: I think there may be a suitable plugin for awd64 on dmm |
| 15:06.34 | EmleyMoor | amd64 |
| 15:06.42 | stew | there definately is on backports.org |
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| 15:06.55 | module000 | do what stew said then, i haven't tried flash since the 32-bit method was theo nly way |
| 15:06.58 | telemachus | hi there, I'm trying to install lenny with netinst on to a virtualbox running on to of ubuntu intrepid. My problem is that when connects to the mirror and the "retrieving packages" message displays, netinst completely hangs. Alt-F1 .. Alt-F4 no longer work at this point. Any ideas? |
| 15:07.35 | giaco | theswellseason, /etc/issue: http://pastie.caboo.se/446099 |
| 15:07.35 | EmleyMoor | stew: There definitely is without too |
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| 15:07.35 | ehazlett | anyone had any luck with debian 5.0 and live migrations with xen 3.2.1? |
| 15:07.42 | stew | EmleyMoor: what? |
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| 15:07.42 | giaco | theswellseason, sources.list: http://pastie.caboo.se/446102 |
| 15:07.42 | telemachus | I'll say that again... |
| 15:07.42 | EmleyMoor | stew: A flashplayer for amd64 |
| 15:07.42 | telemachus | hi there, I'm trying to install lenny with netinst on to a virtualbox running on to of ubuntu intrepid. My problem is that when connects to the mirror and the "retrieving packages" message displays, netinst completely hangs. Alt-F1 .. Alt-F4 no longer work at this point. Any ideas? |
| 15:07.42 | JordiGH | There really is no free way to use just the chat protocol of Skype, right? I don't want to make calls, but cow-orkers use Skype to chat... |
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| 15:08.00 | module000 | JordiGH: skype is free to "chat" as it is |
| 15:08.02 | stew | EmleyMoor: i don't understand what you are trying to say |
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| 15:08.26 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: its in sid |
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| 15:08.27 | giaco | theswellseason, policy http://pastie.caboo.se/446103 |
| 15:08.31 | JordiGH | module000: We're in #debian. There's only one "free" that matters here, and it's not the on you're talking about. |
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| 15:08.40 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: it was in sid first anyway |
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| 15:08.45 | EmleyMoor | stew: Without using backports, there is a flash plugin for amd64 - in dmm perhaps |
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| 15:08.54 | EmleyMoor | valdfyn: What isn't? <g> |
| 15:08.54 | module000 | JordiGH: you mean without using their software? |
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| 15:09.06 | JordiGH | module000: I mean without proprietary software, yes. |
| 15:09.13 | topgun17 | EmleyMoor: gnash is a open source flas player |
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| 15:09.16 | giaco | stew, sorry, I've used the wrong name on the previous messages |
| 15:09.28 | telemachus | I've searched for people with problems at the "retrieving packages" stage, and it seems other people have had the same problem as me, but i can't find a solution |
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| 15:09.35 | giaco | could you please take a look anyway? |
| 15:09.56 | nabziF | liable / stew: thanks snapshot has what I wanted. |
| 15:10.02 | valdyn | telemachus: we cant debug your ubuntu virtual machines networking |
| 15:10.02 | topgun17 | telemachus: google is your friend |
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| 15:10.04 | EmleyMoor | topgun17: I am aware of the existence of gnash |
| 15:10.05 | JordiGH | doesn't trust the Skype installer to not mess up the delicate balance of dpkg. |
| 15:10.12 | JordiGH | Or to not spy on me. |
| 15:10.16 | stew | giaco: you never properly upgraded to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:10.36 | stew | giaco: then consider upgrading to lenny (the current debian stable) /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 15:10.38 | JordiGH | Bah, no 64 bit version anyways. |
| 15:10.45 | JordiGH | is actually relieved. |
| 15:11.01 | telemachus | I saw some people talking about using noacpi, how do I pass that through to netinst? |
| 15:11.06 | alfatau | hello, i'm trying to compile the latest 2.6.29.1 kernel but i get an error which seems due to a compiler bug. Now i've gcc-4.3 compiler. What could i do to use another compiler version to do my job? i tried replacing the /usr/bin/gcc link (which points to cc in /etc/alternatives/) with another gcc version's executable, but it doesn't work. thanks for your attention |
| 15:11.09 | stew | JordiGH: (the 32-bit version works with ia32-libs-gtk or whatever installed, aparantly) |
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| 15:11.28 | JordiGH | Wait, there is hope... Google doesn't come blank with "pidgin skype" |
| 15:11.30 | alfatau | look at http://paste.debian.net/33459 |
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| 15:11.38 | stew | alfatau: don't touch that symlink, set the CC environment variable instead |
| 15:11.44 | dlynes | grrrrr |
| 15:11.47 | dlynes | still borked :( |
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| 15:11.57 | dlynes | just borks faster now with lenny than it did with etch :( |
| 15:11.58 | giaco | stew, is there a way to roolback to sarge? |
| 15:12.03 | FilipeMaia | Does anyone know of a way to run a virtual machine in virtual box in the background? |
| 15:12.05 | valdyn | alfatau: why dont you tell us the actual error first before you assume its a compiler bug, which its probably not |
| 15:12.11 | valdyn | alfatau: s/probably/likely/ |
| 15:12.16 | giaco | my boss would complain if I'd upgrade |
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| 15:12.26 | alfatau | valdyn: look at http://paste.debian.net/33459 |
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| 15:12.36 | stew | giaco: not an easy one |
| 15:12.37 | valdyn | alfatau: sorry, yea im on it |
| 15:12.41 | telemachus | If i press Alt-F1 in netinst, will I be able to debug the network? I have been able to ping the debian virtualbox from ubuntu once netinst has setup the network. |
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| 15:12.46 | alfatau | valdyn: look at http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2008/10/18/3715694 |
| 15:12.49 | stew | giaco: note that the box must have tons of security vulnerabilities |
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| 15:13.38 | alfatau | stew: to what should i set the CC environment variable? |
| 15:14.01 | stew | alfatau: "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.3" or whatever version of gcc you want it to use |
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| 15:14.14 | dlynes | Is there a way to get a debian network install to bootstrap my hard drive, but using the kernel and drivers from the cd? |
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| 15:14.19 | valdyn | alfatau: where the hell is that file coming from? |
| 15:14.29 | dlynes | I suspect there's something borked with the modules, or something |
| 15:14.32 | valdyn | alfatau: /usr/src/linux/debian/linux-image-2.6.29.1/lib/modules/2.6.29.1/modules.order |
| 15:14.42 | valdyn | alfatau: you have a fucked up symlink there |
| 15:15.10 | valdyn | alfatau: recreate the source tree and try again |
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| 15:15.55 | JordiGH | Oh, never mind. All the plugins for Skype for Pidgin require Skype to be running. |
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| 15:16.18 | JordiGH | I guess I'll just have to stand up and walk to my cow-orkers to talk with them. :-) |
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| 15:16.40 | nvt|i | JordiGH: heh |
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| 15:16.51 | alfatau | valdyn: i've not a symlink, it's a regular file. |
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| 15:17.01 | valdyn | alfatau: why is it there? |
| 15:17.09 | telemachus | if I want to do a basic install without netinst, how can I figure out which disc images to get? |
| 15:17.32 | valdyn | alfatau: it doesnt belong there |
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| 15:18.31 | alfatau | valdyn: i don't know: i simply uncompressed the full bz2 kernel source, and then i started compiling it like usual: make-kpkg --revision $NEXTREVISION kernel_image |
| 15:18.36 | icebrain | hi, what good and *easy* to use packages has Debian to simulate electronic circuits? I see plenty in the reps, but I appreciate if you could save me from testing everyone of them. I've tried Geda + Spice, but I really don't want to spend so much time learning to use it |
| 15:18.46 | alcatros | i'am using debian i wanted to install my webcam , http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=793513 was the solution i found althoug its for ubuntu and the path for INSTALL_MOD_DIR seems to be completely different ? anyone has an idea what the right path is ? |
| 15:18.57 | petemc | telemachus: /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 15:19.01 | valdyn | alfatau: maybe your source tree is broken then |
| 15:19.15 | valdyn | alfatau: or maybe you extracted into already existing directories |
| 15:19.24 | valdyn | alfatau: or maybe you just copied stuff by mistake |
| 15:19.39 | alfatau | ok, i'll try to delete the directory and then uncompress it again |
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| 15:20.11 | osfd | I can get image in vlc on a debian lenny ...? do you know where it can come from please |
| 15:20.17 | dlynes | Anyone know how to boot from a cd, but use the hard drive's root directory? |
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| 15:20.27 | dlynes | i.e. using the debian etch network install? |
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| 15:20.51 | dlynes | or using debian lenny network install, for that matter? |
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| 15:22.25 | Lokaf | How would I go about installing the pptpd and pppd daemons? |
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| 15:23.31 | jelly | Lokaf: install pptp-linux |
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| 15:24.06 | jelly | Lokaf: it depends on ppp (which provides pppd), so that's all you need to specify explicitely |
| 15:24.50 | osfd | I should have said video output |
| 15:24.55 | Lokaf | One more thing: should BitchX be installed in /opt/ as well? |
| 15:25.15 | hifi | halp, nvidia bolbs (nvidia-glx-96xx) are not compatible with xorg 1.6 upgrade |
| 15:25.30 | liable | Lokaf: did you compile it or something? |
| 15:25.33 | stew | Lokaf: no, bitchx shouldn't be installed. its got security problems that nobody is fixing (which is why debian finally got rid of it) |
| 15:25.36 | jelly | Lokaf: what's wrong with bitchx from the distro? |
| 15:25.41 | jelly | stew: oh |
| 15:25.50 | jelly | Lokaf: nevermind then |
| 15:25.50 | Lokaf | Really? |
| 15:25.53 | liable | i didnt know debian dropped either.. |
| 15:25.54 | stew | really |
| 15:25.58 | jelly | irssi ftw? |
| 15:26.01 | Lokaf | Guess irssi time. |
| 15:26.02 | stew | yes |
| 15:26.06 | jelly | judd: versions bitchx |
| 15:26.07 | judd | jelly: bitchx -- etch: 1:1.1-4 |
| 15:26.21 | jelly | good heavens! |
| 15:26.24 | stew | it barely made the etch release becuase of security problems as well |
| 15:26.38 | theswellseason | I'm trying to add lenny backports to my sources.list, and it's telling me that there is no pubkey. I searched for it, and the directions I followed gave me the same error. |
| 15:26.47 | stew | i think the RM: bug said "everything someone tries to fix a known security bug, they find 3 more" |
| 15:26.52 | stew | and it was abandoned upstream |
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| 15:27.11 | stew | theswellseason: the instructions page on backports.org tells you several ways of installing the key |
| 15:27.17 | jelly | but.. it has c00l quit messages |
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| 15:29.52 | simone_ | console-data didn't seem to work.. that's only for x11 right ? |
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| 15:30.30 | EmleyMoor | should know this... so if no-one answers soon I will |
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| 15:31.47 | liable | puts on a bit of a show |
| 15:31.56 | osfd | what is the aptitude command to search in backports ? |
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| 15:32.54 | jetpda | you have backport in sources? |
| 15:33.06 | liable | osfd: if you have backports in sources.list, just search away |
| 15:33.17 | jetpda | gives liable a standing ovation |
| 15:33.26 | osfd | liable: ok....obviously, no vlc in backports |
| 15:33.33 | jetpda | !cheer liable |
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| 15:33.53 | jetpda | ah well dpkg didn't like it |
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| 15:33.57 | EmleyMoor | simone: install-keymap is the command - you just need to specify the right file for it |
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| 15:34.19 | jetpda | !test liable |
| 15:34.19 | dpkg | Testing liable... *****$$#$ |
| 15:34.45 | jetpda | lurks now |
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| 15:35.04 | liable | takes a bow, and thanks the audience |
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| 15:35.26 | liable | osfd: i seem to recall vlc missing lenny for some reason i cant remember |
| 15:35.30 | Lokaf | What's the best way to connect to a VPN? |
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| 15:35.49 | jelly | judd: versions vlc |
| 15:35.50 | judd | jelly: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 squeeze: 0.9.8a-3 sid: 0.9.9a-1 |
| 15:35.58 | osfd | liable: actually I see vlc in not-backports repos but I can't get any video output... |
| 15:36.04 | guNer | hi! i want to start sshd over ipv4, now ssh is set over ipv6 |
| 15:36.24 | jelly | guNer: it listens to both by default. |
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| 15:36.44 | liable | osfd: i get that with vlc sometimes. i genrally have three players always installed, because any two seem to be broken at any one time ;) |
| 15:37.01 | osfd | liable: it's a pain |
| 15:37.08 | jelly | liable: what's the third one? xine? |
| 15:37.15 | liable | aye |
| 15:37.20 | jelly | *nod* |
| 15:37.32 | osfd | liable: and smplayer (which I love) is a little outdated |
| 15:37.35 | guNer | jelly, on my netstat sshd show running tcp6 |
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| 15:37.45 | guNer | jelly, and i can not connect to the server |
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| 15:37.55 | aspin_lweb | whats the command to chat to another person over a ssh connection? |
| 15:38.06 | osfd | liable: what players do you use ? |
| 15:38.28 | liable | osfd: vlc, mplayer, xine |
| 15:38.29 | aspin_lweb | tried wall and talk |
| 15:38.41 | jelly | guNer: hm, let me find a machine where I haven't killed ipv6 yet |
| 15:38.55 | osfd | liable: hhmm, xine has some nice front end ? |
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| 15:39.49 | hifi | hmm, all nvidia blobs in unstable are broken atm |
| 15:40.01 | liable | osfd: yeah, totem-xine i think it is. seems ok. i dont do a great deal of video watching though except in my browser |
| 15:40.07 | enouf | as they should be |
| 15:41.18 | jelly | guNer: this is me logged in remotely via ipv4 to a pretty much default setup: |
| 15:41.19 | hifi | some of us are cursed with nvidia hardware! |
| 15:41.23 | jelly | tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN - |
| 15:41.23 | jelly | tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:10.0.0.231:22 ::ffff:10.0.3.48:45128 ESTABLISHED- |
| 15:42.10 | enouf | aspin_lweb: wall will send to all, write will send to specific user; but perhaps you just want/need a im client capable of SSL/TLS or whatever |
| 15:43.07 | aspin_lweb | its just that an engineer started to chat with me on my server and I did not know how to reply |
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| 15:43.20 | sohoe | hi |
| 15:43.21 | aspin_lweb | wall did not work for me, whats the sytax? |
| 15:43.28 | sohoe | when i run gparted as root it says --> (gpartedbin:5143): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 15:43.43 | enouf | export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 15:43.55 | guNer | jelly, mmmm rarely |
| 15:43.57 | liable | noo |
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| 15:44.12 | guNer | jelly, do not have tcp4 over sshd ? |
| 15:44.13 | liable | sohoe: run it with gksu |
| 15:44.25 | aspin_lweb | sohoe: get sysrescue cd and run gparted from that |
| 15:44.38 | sohoe | i dont feel like rebooting to run gparted |
| 15:44.40 | enouf | well, once the bozo is root in a GUI, no use in restarting :-P |
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| 15:45.00 | jelly | guNer: what I'm saying, there's no need to have it in the default setup, and the problem might be somewhere else. |
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| 15:45.10 | guNer | jelly, ok |
| 15:45.26 | jelly | guNer: what does your netstat -tupan|grep :22 say? |
| 15:45.27 | sohoe | enouf: are you calling me a bozo ? |
| 15:45.35 | osfd | ok, I forget about vlc and compile my own smplayer |
| 15:45.36 | aspin_lweb | woof |
| 15:45.47 | enouf | sohoe: maybe ;-) |
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| 15:45.57 | Twixboy_ | Deine Mutter ist so fett, sie ging ins Kino und saß neben jedem! |
| 15:45.58 | sohoe | why ? |
| 15:46.38 | aspin_lweb | slip of the tongue I think |
| 15:46.56 | aspin_lweb | that sysrescue cd is great |
| 15:46.56 | osfd | by the way there is a create_deb script in the smplayer source, and this is really really great |
| 15:47.08 | guNer | jelly, ok...give me a second please..because my server is in other site... |
| 15:47.10 | jelly | sohoe: you can use sux or gksudo or gksu to run something in X as root automatically |
| 15:47.12 | enouf | you shouldn't be root in any X related app (IMHO, except perhaps a separate x-terminal specifically there to accomplish admin tasks) .. and then some |
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| 15:47.37 | aspin_lweb | its like using irc as root |
| 15:47.41 | jelly | enouf: oh ffs, a partition resizer _has to_ run as root |
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| 15:47.53 | enouf | sohoe: yes, the others are mentioning the proper tools to use if needed |
| 15:48.10 | enouf | jelly: follow along dear ;-) |
| 15:48.33 | dylan` | hello guys |
| 15:48.35 | jelly | enouf: stop being patronizing needlessly, as well |
| 15:48.42 | jelly | sohoe: or "cp ~normaluser/.Xauthority ~" and set up DISPLAY manually |
| 15:48.47 | dylan` | need help when installing debian on my spare notebook |
| 15:48.47 | enouf | jelly: no |
| 15:48.50 | aspin_lweb | http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page |
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| 15:50.22 | dylan` | hello |
| 15:50.29 | aspin_lweb | :) |
| 15:50.40 | jelly | sohoe: best to ignore any namecalling and concentrate on the technical issue |
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| 15:51.17 | aspin_lweb | the internet is so impersonal anyway, thank goodness for smilies |
| 15:51.39 | enouf | aspin_lweb: some people are quite formal even on irc |
| 15:51.55 | dylan` | while installing Debian, it prompt me that detect network hardware need, The Missing firmware files are: ipw2100-1.3.fw |
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| 15:52.00 | dylan` | please advise! |
| 15:52.03 | grirgz | \_o< ~ coin! |
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| 15:52.37 | enouf | dylan`: you need that firmware, it goes into /lib/firmware/ IINM |
| 15:52.48 | enouf | !ipw2100 |
| 15:52.48 | dpkg | well, ipw2100 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b chipsets (http://ipw2100.sf.net/) included in kernels since 2.6.14. Firmware is required. Lenny: Add <non-free sources> and install the 'firmware-ipw2x00' package. Etch: Download firmware v1.3 from http://ipw2100.sf.net/firmware.php and extract to /lib/firmware. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 15:52.50 | liable | dylan`: do you need to use the wifi during install? |
| 15:52.58 | grul | \_o< ~ coin! |
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| 15:53.14 | JordiGH | Oh, it's French. |
| 15:53.15 | aspin_lweb | Dyl, type this in google debian +ipw2100-1.3.fw |
| 15:53.23 | jelly | ducks |
| 15:53.26 | JordiGH | was wondering why would a duck be searching for coins. |
| 15:53.27 | dylan` | how do i extract while i am still in the installation mode |
| 15:53.29 | AJKhan | yo |
| 15:53.33 | AJKhan | whats up |
| 15:53.43 | grirgz | what is the english for coin ? |
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| 15:53.49 | AJKhan | dylan` extract what? |
| 15:53.50 | JordiGH | grirgz: "quack". |
| 15:53.51 | aspin_lweb | dyl not sure you can do that |
| 15:53.53 | liable | dylan`: just put it on some media, and the installer will search for it |
| 15:53.58 | grirgz | JordiGH: thanks =) |
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| 15:54.11 | abrotman | !installer firmware |
| 15:54.12 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to |
| 15:54.16 | enouf | ahh .. i knew it ;-) |
| 15:54.18 | abrotman | aspin_lweb: try using your tab key |
| 15:54.26 | Nyle | enouf shaddup |
| 15:54.28 | enouf | Nyle: how's the bayou treating you/. |
| 15:54.34 | aspin_lweb | good, not tried Lenny yet |
| 15:54.35 | Nyle | enouf got into grad school at lsu ;) |
| 15:54.44 | enouf | \o/ |
| 15:54.46 | abrotman | Nyle: i think you want #debian-offtopic |
| 15:54.47 | aspin_lweb | its not for me |
| 15:54.53 | Nyle | just ordering some stuff from new egg for a new debian box |
| 15:54.59 | Nyle | I am thinking of 2 things |
| 15:55.14 | Nyle | 1. router, bridge mode, wifi catch and hook up 4 or whatever machines |
| 15:55.16 | Nyle | OR |
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| 15:55.27 | Nyle | 2. go with a wifi nic and make sure it works well in linux |
| 15:55.42 | Nyle | so for the 2nd option, I would like a wonderfully supported wifi chipste in debian |
| 15:55.46 | Nyle | please advise |
| 15:56.10 | abrotman | Nyle: wikipedia has a decent page of wireless devices and linux |
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| 15:56.29 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers |
| 15:56.29 | jelly | abrotman: which factoid has the link? |
| 15:56.37 | Nyle | let me look |
| 15:56.41 | jelly | thanks |
| 15:56.42 | abrotman | dpkg: listkeys Comparison_of |
| 15:56.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'Comparison_of' by key returned no results. |
| 15:56.49 | abrotman | jelly: none! :) |
| 15:56.54 | aspin_lweb | linux is still abit in the dark ages but its not suprising, its comes to money and r&d in the end I guess |
| 15:57.00 | jelly | abrotman: you know what to do! :-D |
| 15:57.02 | abrotman | i think i put it in one at some point .. but gone now |
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| 15:58.02 | abrotman | aspin_lweb: do you have a Debian question? |
| 15:58.02 | aspin_lweb | Yes |
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| 15:58.02 | abrotman | aspin_lweb: if it's your original question, you want talk and talkd |
| 15:58.04 | aspin_lweb | Does oes Lenny like ati HD cards? |
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| 15:58.12 | Nyle | so looks like atheros is the winner |
| 15:58.20 | Nyle | gpl drivers written by atheros |
| 15:58.28 | abrotman | Nyle: though apparently the ath5k is flaky in lenny so rumors say |
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| 15:59.04 | Nyle | ralink looks also supported well |
| 15:59.10 | liable | intel ones are written by intel, they still suck too. |
| 15:59.19 | jelly | yeah, that page could use a "actually works all the time" column |
| 15:59.20 | Nyle | abrotman which do you use |
| 15:59.20 | liable | ralink are horrible depending on chip |
| 15:59.37 | abrotman | Nyle: i have an old orinoco in my thinkpad .. works great .. but only does 11b |
| 15:59.38 | Nyle | I have a broadcom in a laptop |
| 15:59.42 | jelly | liable: ipw2915 wfm |
| 15:59.43 | Nyle | b is fine |
| 15:59.50 | abrotman | not just works great .. has worked great since .. sarge? |
| 15:59.55 | Nyle | damn |
| 16:00.09 | liable | jelly: 3945 works ok for me too. but i have simple use |
| 16:00.15 | abrotman | i used it to do my installs because the 10/100 is broadcom |
| 16:00.19 | Nyle | I think my broadcom has also worked great in that inspiron notebook since sarge/testing |
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| 16:00.49 | enouf | Nyle: i think i used to use http://linux-wless.passys.nl/index.php |
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| 16:00.59 | Nyle | you know I think I'll just forget about the card, buy a wrt54gl and use it in bridge mode |
| 16:01.05 | cahoot | Nyle: it's all about the last two digits when it comes to bcm |
| 16:01.07 | enouf | (though not debian specific, i suppose) |
| 16:01.07 | Nyle | and just have 4 eth ports to utilize for my desktops |
| 16:01.18 | Nyle | this wifi stuff is too tricky for me yet |
| 16:01.18 | CpR_ | Since I updated my system today (testing) to the new kernel I don't have wirelles or sound even when enter with the previous kernel. I had warnings before about the configurations files. Does anyone have the same problem ou know a possible solution? |
| 16:01.27 | Nyle | Caelumuh |
| 16:01.33 | Nyle | er.. cahoot bcm4306 |
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| 16:01.56 | dylan` | what next |
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| 16:02.01 | dylan` | it direct me to a blue screen |
| 16:02.06 | dylan` | then allow me to key in text |
| 16:02.27 | EmleyMoor | What is it asking? |
| 16:02.40 | liable | CpR_: what system and card? |
| 16:02.44 | dylan` | just a blue screen with a white bar at the bottom |
| 16:02.55 | Nyle | enouf checking |
| 16:03.03 | enouf | Nyle: click 'Complete Listing' .. i guess my bookmarked url was redirected to the front page |
| 16:03.08 | macman_ | was wondering if this is possible |
| 16:03.09 | macman_ | sup all .. im trying to backup all the contents of a fat32 system and put it on windows xp / ntfs .. is this possible ? |
| 16:03.19 | Nyle | ok |
| 16:03.24 | CpR_ | Debian testing Linux debian-laptop 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Mar 27 04:02:59 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux intel 4965agn |
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| 16:03.39 | Nyle | MacGyverNL from within linux, sure, but I won't recommen it |
| 16:03.48 | Nyle | MacGyverNL using ntfs-3g for ntfsRW you can |
| 16:04.01 | CpR_ | http://pastebin.com/m556d5acc |
| 16:04.04 | liable | CpR_: odd, shouldnt have changed anything. check dmesg for error when the module loads. |
| 16:04.06 | pbn | Hello, when will the Debian 5.0.1 torrents appear in: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/bt-cd/ ? |
| 16:04.10 | CpR_ | dpkg.log from the update |
| 16:04.10 | dylan` | haix |
| 16:04.17 | Lokaf | Anyone know a good way to a connect to a VPN? |
| 16:04.18 | dylan` | i think i skip the wireless firmware part |
| 16:04.29 | dylan` | i will install it later agian when i boot my OS up |
| 16:04.40 | aspin_lweb | sounds wise |
| 16:04.43 | Nyle | MacGyverNL NTFS is old, primitive FS, its not really good for modern large disks etc. etc., plus its made by MS, you can easily put your data on EXT3 and simply mount that as RO or RW in windows |
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| 16:05.06 | Nyle | MacGyverNL using EXT2IFS or whatever else |
| 16:05.13 | jelly | Nyle: is there a free ext3 driver for windows? |
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| 16:05.16 | Nyle | yessir |
| 16:05.26 | jelly | Nyle: I don't know of one, and fsdriver.org isn't it |
| 16:05.31 | Nyle | jelly ext2ifs i think |
| 16:05.32 | maligor | jelly, several |
| 16:05.40 | jelly | maligor: rw? |
| 16:05.55 | maligor | Ive used two, and they both had rw |
| 16:06.01 | Nyle | maligor yup |
| 16:06.08 | Nyle | ifs isn't as good there was this other one i used |
| 16:06.18 | Nyle | you have to manually register the service, and install the .sys driver file |
| 16:06.38 | Nyle | and issue some net console commands, but yeah, that one was the best, it was al ong time ago I don't remember that much |
| 16:06.42 | Nyle | but it was definitely not IFS |
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| 16:06.51 | CpR_ | there are an alternative to the alsaconf that used to be part of alsa-utils in debian? |
| 16:06.52 | maligor | http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:07.35 | maligor | and http://www.fs-driver.org/ but I guess thats what you meant by fsdriver.org_ |
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| 16:08.05 | jelly | maligor: right. That one used to bork dir_index |
| 16:08.25 | cahoot | CpR_: shouldn't be needed |
| 16:08.37 | jelly | perhaps they fixed the support, their faq says it's supported now |
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| 16:09.09 | cahoot | CpR_: you have only on soundcard? |
| 16:09.12 | cahoot | one |
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| 16:10.53 | CpR_ | yes, sound now is working thks anyway, only wirelles is missing now |
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| 16:11.37 | Nyle | yup this was the one, but back then the installation was manual |
| 16:11.41 | Nyle | now its upto .46 |
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| 16:13.07 | CpR_ | before I upgrade the kernel I instalad omnibook module, and have wireless and bluetooth working. Now only bluetooth works. There any incompactiblity known? |
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| 16:16.23 | ChrisW | hey all, what's the best way to get Subversion 1.6 on a debian stable box? is there a backport available? |
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| 16:19.08 | jelly | ChrisW: hm, 1.6 isn't even in unstable yet |
| 16:19.40 | jelly | ChrisW: if you really need it, you could try backporting the version from experimental |
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| 16:19.49 | jelly | judd: versions subversion |
| 16:19.50 | judd | jelly: subversion -- etch: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 etch-backports: 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-2 sid: 1.5.6dfsg-1 squeeze: 1.5.6dfsg-1 experimental: 1.6.1dfsg-1 |
| 16:20.49 | ChrisW | I wish I could have stuck with 1.4 :-( |
| 16:20.57 | SparFux | What is the bluetooth passkey agent used in ubuntu for bluetooth connections? |
| 16:20.58 | ChrisW | 1.5 has some naaaasty bugs... |
| 16:21.13 | jelly | well... you can get 1.4 from oldstable :-) |
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| 16:21.31 | WormFood | when a new kernel is installed, and I'm using the binary nvidia drivers, it will break gdb right? I mean, it won't fallback to a different driver, would it? |
| 16:21.42 | WormFood | not gdb, I mean, gdm |
| 16:22.01 | valdyn | WormFood: why would it break gdm? |
| 16:22.06 | jelly | ChrisW: btw, are the bugs you stubled into reported on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=subversion;dist=unstable ? |
| 16:22.25 | WormFood | because the binary drivers needs an interface compiled to the current kernel |
| 16:22.31 | valdyn | WormFood: if it can fallback or not depends on your xorg.conf |
| 16:22.56 | WormFood | I didn't know if xorg had that feature or not...it is a good thing to have |
| 16:23.13 | valdyn | WormFood: now for all i know you need an explicit setting Driver=nvidia in xorg.conf to use nvidia drivers, which in turn disables any fallback |
| 16:23.15 | CpR_ | done with the wirelless, apparantly something "take off" the module iwl4965 when the update happen |
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| 16:24.59 | CpR_ | thank you |
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| 16:34.27 | jeefo | hello i need to configure my usb webcam, can anybody help me ?? |
| 16:35.07 | Nitsuga | I've got a x86_64 capable pc. Should I download the amd64 image o stick to x86? |
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| 16:35.51 | ChrisW | jelly: the bugs are still open on the svn bug tracker :-( |
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| 16:36.16 | SPF | Nitsuga: I would advise amd64 |
| 16:36.26 | jelly | ChrisW: but only for 1.5? |
| 16:36.37 | ChrisW | well, 1.6 too |
| 16:36.42 | ChrisW | not fixed there yet :-( |
| 16:36.46 | Nitsuga | SPF, ok, thank you. I'm waiting another opinion |
| 16:36.58 | ChrisW | is looking at Hg now, it's just a shame that TortoiseSVN is so good |
| 16:37.14 | Nitsuga | somebody else thinks amd64 is better when possible? |
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| 16:37.42 | Nitsuga | I want thle less frustration possible |
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| 16:39.47 | mmind | Nitsuga, the only reason i can think of to use x86 instead of amd64 is if you need to run old software only available as binaries |
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| 16:40.04 | Strogg | hrmm.. I'm having some issues with mkfs.jffs2.. first off, the program segfaults if I pass -v without passing -q. Can anyone confirm that behaviour? I'm using squeeze |
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| 16:40.53 | Nitsuga | mmind, and can I run an x86 Windows program via a amd64 wine? |
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| 16:41.24 | mmind | Nitsuga, that's one of those situations where you have to be careful. i don't know the answer to that |
| 16:41.29 | valdyn | Nitsuga: now why dont you just stick to i386? |
| 16:42.01 | Nitsuga | valdyn, well, because somebody have to make the change, doesn't? |
| 16:42.18 | Nitsuga | amd64 as architecture is waaaay better |
| 16:42.21 | valdyn | Nitsuga: and that one has to be you? |
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| 16:42.27 | valdyn | Nitsuga: bullshit |
| 16:42.37 | Nikke | Hmmf.. where is the wmii config in debian? Can't seem to find it |
| 16:42.40 | Nitsuga | ¿? |
| 16:42.42 | valdyn | Nitsuga: amd64 is just as fucked up and convoluted as i386 |
| 16:42.54 | SPF | Nitsuga: you can run x86 programs under wine on amd64. I tried :) |
| 16:43.05 | Nitsuga | SPF, thenk you |
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| 16:43.08 | Nitsuga | *thank |
| 16:43.20 | Nitsuga | i think I will try amd64 |
| 16:43.53 | justin | Nikke: dpkg -L wmii |
| 16:44.03 | Nikke | justin: thanks |
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| 16:44.10 | Nitsuga | if I don't like it, installing a x86 debian solves the problem |
| 16:44.22 | SQlvpapir | aptitude download package tries to download the version currently installed and fails because no repo is in my source.list (I want the versions from another repo). However I want it to fetch only from the repositories currently listen in my source.list. any tips? |
| 16:44.46 | SPF | I have both x86 and amd64 systems |
| 16:45.14 | Nitsuga | SPF, my partition table is full :P |
| 16:45.59 | Nitsuga | well, no exactli full, but i cannot "logicalize" fisical partitions |
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| 16:47.07 | SPF | not my area of expertise |
| 16:47.33 | hifi | need nvidia on current sid halp, anyone provide? |
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| 16:48.14 | SPF | !tell hifi about nvidia |
| 16:48.19 | SQlvpapir | hmm I am just gonna go ahead and fix this manually at the moment.. would be nice to know for the future though |
| 16:48.51 | hifi | SPF: the packages are not up-to-date with xorg 1.6 |
| 16:49.06 | Nitsuga | SPF, are there nvidia for amd64, isn't? |
| 16:49.17 | SPF | Nitsuga: yes |
| 16:49.23 | hifi | the glx partion which can't be built using the wiki howto |
| 16:49.24 | Nitsuga | ok |
| 16:50.07 | Nitsuga | SPF, for sqeeze, do you recommend me a netinst or better a cd/dvd image? |
| 16:51.00 | SPF | Nitsuga: does it matter? Those are 2 differend ways to install. You can also use a usb stick |
| 16:51.17 | SPF | hifi: I have no idea how to install the latest drivers |
| 16:51.22 | jelly | Nitsuga: also, there is no cd/dvd image for squeeze. |
| 16:51.39 | Nitsuga | jelly, jaja ok |
| 16:51.41 | Nitsuga | netinst only |
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| 16:52.02 | jelly | !install testing |
| 16:52.03 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade. But since there's only just been a stable release, expect squeeze to be a bumpy ride for a while. If you don't know what that means or why that would be, stick with lenny. |
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| 16:52.07 | jelly | dpkg: eh |
| 16:52.07 | dpkg | 'eh' is synonymous with the american derivative 'huh', but unlike 'huh', 'eh' can be used without making one sound like a freaking idiot. . Western Sahara |
| 16:52.17 | jelly | huh |
| 16:52.29 | spook0 | buh |
| 16:52.30 | Nitsuga | !install testing |
| 16:52.30 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade. But since there's only just been a stable release, expect squeeze to be a bumpy ride for a while. If you don't know what that means or why that would be, stick with lenny. |
| 16:53.40 | hifi | SPF: how about safely returning to xorg 1.5? :) |
| 16:54.31 | SPF | hifi: heh, gladly I never had to downgrade. Sorry, I don't know :p |
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| 16:55.19 | SPF | I think you can update apt sources.list to a previous version. |
| 16:55.30 | SQlvpapir | Nitsuga: I recommend netinstall to reduce load on the mirrors. if you want to batch install some machines set up a proxy with the debs.. at least this is how I make do with 1mbit adsl (also I try not to apply unnecessary load on the mirrors) |
| 16:55.45 | SPF | !downgrade |
| 16:55.45 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 16:55.46 | hifi | I've been running sid all the time so I really can't go back to lenny |
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| 16:56.16 | hifi | !tell hifi about partial downgrade |
| 16:56.25 | SQlvpapir | !partial downgrade |
| 16:56.25 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' |
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| 16:57.04 | hifi | sounds fun, I'll try it |
| 16:57.05 | PingaR0x | i need help i cant install debian 5 lenny in my macbook :( |
| 16:57.27 | SQlvpapir | !sdn |
| 16:57.27 | SPF | good luck hifi ;) |
| 16:57.28 | dpkg | i guess snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 16:58.04 | Nitsuga | SQlvpapir, in Ubuntu I use apt-mirror to get an updates mirror for my lan, but i will install debian in only one machine for now, |
| 16:58.10 | PingaR0x | nobody can help me? |
| 16:58.10 | Nitsuga | it's downloadeing |
| 16:58.21 | Nitsuga | sqeezy netinst amd64 |
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| 16:58.37 | ULFfuntu | <x86 :( |
| 16:58.42 | Nitsuga | PingaR0x, we need more detains |
| 16:59.04 | PingaR0x | its about the buggy found in grub2... |
| 16:59.20 | hifi | wait, I hit enter on the package and I get package full description, not version select |
| 16:59.26 | PingaR0x | i cant sync the gpt table with mbr table |
| 16:59.37 | Nitsuga | which ms the error? did you google about that? how many memory you have? How are you installing (netinst, live, install-gui, etc)? |
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| 17:00.44 | SQlvpapir | brb |
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| 17:00.53 | konr | my computer is making some weird sound loop... when I stop alsa it stops, but whenI restart it, it restarts. how can I make it quiet? |
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| 17:03.14 | kleetus | wondered if some file in Lenny is logged to when the start up scripts are run at boot time? I mean to review the output from all the startup scripts without attaching a serial cable to gather the output from startup scripts. The output goes by too fast and it wraps the buffer on the console. dmesg also does not show the script output |
| 17:03.41 | Nitsuga | kleetus, /var/log/syslog |
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| 17:03.45 | Nitsuga | kleetus, /var/log/kernel |
| 17:03.50 | Nitsuga | kleetus, /var/log/debug |
| 17:04.41 | kleetus | Nitsuga: so all those files contain the same information or does the output go into those different files depending on the script? |
| 17:04.59 | SparFux | What does bluetoothd mean with "No known services for device" ? |
| 17:05.11 | jelly | Nitsuga: debian's syslog files aren't called like that |
| 17:05.21 | jelly | well, kern.log isn't |
| 17:05.28 | Nitsuga | kleetus, depends of the script |
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| 17:05.45 | kleetus | Nitsuga: thanks for your quick reply |
| 17:05.52 | Nitsuga | kleetus, you can use gnome-system-log to read them with ease |
| 17:06.09 | Nitsuga | kleetus, you're welcome |
| 17:06.09 | kleetus | Nitsuga: ah yeah that is an idea too |
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| 17:06.35 | jelly | kleetus: bootlogd, when installed, is supposed to pick and log that output, but I haven't made it work in a 5 minutes try |
| 17:06.59 | Nitsuga | kleetus, also /var/log/daemon can help you |
| 17:07.49 | kleetus | jelly: great suggestion thanks |
| 17:08.02 | jelly | judd: info bootlogd |
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| 17:08.20 | Nitsuga | kleetus, the first messages are in /var/log/message (up to loading of /etc/rc#.d) |
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| 17:08.41 | jelly | mm, it's in sysvinit already |
| 17:08.45 | valdyn | !bootlog |
| 17:08.45 | dpkg | it has been said that bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 17:08.49 | valdyn | kleetus: ^^ |
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| 17:09.29 | kleetus | dpkg: valdyn i never knew about such a thing |
| 17:09.30 | dpkg | kleetus: i haven't a clue |
| 17:09.40 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 17:09.56 | Fox_1_ | people which /dev/ file is keyboard device? |
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| 17:10.15 | valdyn | Fox_1_: /dev/input/somethingorother |
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| 17:11.03 | Fox_1_ | I have event0,event1,event2,event3,event4,mice |
| 17:11.13 | valdyn | Fox_1_: so? |
| 17:11.15 | Fox_1_ | and two folders by-id and by-path |
| 17:11.24 | Fox_1_ | which one could be? |
| 17:11.35 | valdyn | $RANDOM |
| 17:11.42 | valdyn | !RANDOM 1 3 |
| 17:11.44 | dpkg | spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... ... |
| 17:11.48 | Fox_1_ | how can I check? |
| 17:11.50 | valdyn | heha |
| 17:11.52 | xororand | could it be that the iptables --uid-owner match isn't supported in recent kernel versions anymore? i know that PID matching has certainly been removed. |
| 17:11.58 | valdyn | Fox_1_: ls -l /dev/input/by-path/ |
| 17:12.17 | valdyn | xororand: yes, not supported for a long while |
| 17:12.23 | Fox_1_ | platform-i8042-serio-0-event-kbd -> ../event0 |
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| 17:12.56 | xororand | valdyn: thanks. then i'll have to find another way to change the source IPs of certain users. |
| 17:13.14 | xororand | i'm on a box with 8 IPs and would like to give each user a different source ip. that used to work with --uid-owner |
| 17:13.28 | valdyn | xororand: why would you do that? |
| 17:13.44 | xororand | valdyn: i want them to have distinct IPs |
| 17:14.00 | xororand | these 8 IPs are public IPs |
| 17:14.18 | valdyn | xororand: damn, what a waste |
| 17:14.21 | valdyn | xororand: if ups ) |
| 17:14.24 | valdyn | xororand: if ips ) |
| 17:14.28 | valdyn | xororand: of ips ) |
| 17:14.34 | valdyn | damnit |
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| 17:14.59 | valdyn | xororand: theres probably a kernel patch somewhere |
| 17:15.10 | xororand | not really. there are plenty IPs available, 2^128 to be exact :P |
| 17:15.17 | xororand | IPv6 |
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| 17:15.32 | valdyn | ok, i think i have a few of those too, rotting |
| 17:15.41 | xororand | in this case it's IPv4 though |
| 17:17.01 | Superbartt | hmm ok I need your help guys... My server has been exploited and rigged with port-scan and spamming tools |
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| 17:17.17 | valdyn | Superbartt: you need our help to reinstall? |
| 17:17.30 | valdyn | Superbartt: or our advice not to run crappy php scripts? |
| 17:17.52 | Superbartt | I've found all of them, but what I can't find is _how_ did they get in :x all files were owned by www-data so i assume it was apache, but my logs are too huge to find something that's exploiding it |
| 17:18.03 | Superbartt | valdyn no and no :p Those I can do myself ^^ |
| 17:18.08 | valdyn | Superbartt: well it was some php script |
| 17:18.17 | valdyn | Superbartt: in all likelyness |
| 17:18.20 | Superbartt | yes that was my assumption too |
| 17:18.38 | valdyn | Superbartt: if you dont run custom code, then your hole is probably already listed as some advisory somewhere |
| 17:18.39 | Superbartt | but which one? There were 5 sites on it soo it's hard to point out :x |
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| 17:19.07 | Superbartt | uhmm, 2 sites were using wordpress, a pastebin, and most were home build scripts... but they couldn't be it |
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| 17:19.46 | valdyn | Superbartt: which php scripts run not as www-data? |
| 17:20.35 | Superbartt | all do, but I mean the home built couldn't be it, it's build by a team of developers with 2 guys completly focussing on security |
| 17:20.47 | xororand | valdyn: --uid-owner works fine on another box with 2.6.29.1 - it seems that only process matching has been removed. |
| 17:20.49 | Superbartt | So I assume it was wordpress |
| 17:20.57 | valdyn | xororand: oh |
| 17:21.00 | valdyn | xororand: sorry then |
| 17:21.04 | valdyn | xororand: guess i mixed that up |
| 17:21.10 | xororand | yeah, i wasn't sure either |
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| 17:22.09 | nkuttler | Superbartt: i wouldn't bet on that. if there was an exploit in a current wp all spammers would jump on it, or at least hack thousands of blogs.. |
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| 17:22.24 | nkuttler | i mean, one spammer |
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| 17:22.36 | Superbartt | But well, I'm trying to create a list of all files create today, to see what has been modified/created, but ls groups the files per directory, so it's hard to grep on the date on the complete list |
| 17:22.48 | nkuttler | Superbartt: find |
| 17:22.53 | valdyn | Superbartt: you should probably see someone trying to bruteforce the xploit, depending on what it is |
| 17:22.57 | valdyn | Superbartt: in the logs |
| 17:23.15 | valdyn | Superbartt: but if it just needs very few tries then that wont work |
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| 17:23.24 | zmotok | extremely weird, udev won't load modules nor set the permissions unless i dpkg-reconfigure it (using sid, and sid's udev 140, although going back to udev 125 didn't help) |
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| 17:23.42 | Superbartt | I know valdyn, but i've been looking at my logs for half an hour and can't find anything suspicious... and can't think of anything usefull to grep on |
| 17:24.23 | valdyn | Superbartt: you used the timestamps on the files that were changed? |
| 17:24.29 | jetpda | !remove udev |
| 17:24.29 | dpkg | if you are trying to remove udev, you must install yaird to replace initramfs-tools as your initrd generator. "aptitude install yaird" will switch yaird in for initramfs-tools. gamin provides fam(file alteration monitor) and is not dependent on udev. "aptitude install yaird gamin". Then, "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" should build a new initrd for your running kernel with yaird. |
| 17:24.44 | Superbartt | valdyn just the date |
| 17:24.48 | nkuttler | Superbartt: are you sure the exploiter ran as www-data? good move to hide trails |
| 17:25.33 | Superbartt | quite sure yes nkuttler, there was an telnet deamon runnig which had the www-data privileges |
| 17:25.51 | nkuttler | uh, why did you have telnet installed? |
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| 17:26.00 | Superbartt | I didn't, it was the exploit |
| 17:26.02 | zmotok | jetpda: ok, let's see if this does the trick |
| 17:26.03 | jetpda | !forget replace udev |
| 17:26.03 | dpkg | jetpda: i forgot replace udev |
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| 17:26.30 | Superbartt | it had some socket listening, so i telnetted to it and i gave me a shell under www-data |
| 17:26.31 | nkuttler | Superbartt: ... how did it get there? do you have a build environment? is it a binary? |
| 17:26.43 | valdyn | Superbartt: what about /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 17:26.45 | zmotok | be right back |
| 17:26.55 | Superbartt | it was a binary, and my system has gcc etcetera yes |
| 17:26.56 | valdyn | Superbartt: or was that changed by the exploit too? |
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| 17:27.01 | AJKhan | how is flash/java browser plugin doing now these days in debian? |
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| 17:27.07 | AJKhan | I mean, amd64 debian |
| 17:27.26 | AJKhan | does one still have to run them in 32bit mode? |
| 17:27.33 | valdyn | AJKhan: not the one in sid |
| 17:27.47 | nkuttler | Superbartt: just for the future: don't put a compiler on a server |
| 17:27.48 | Superbartt | valdyn, no that wasnt modified |
| 17:28.07 | AJKhan | so amd64 sid is full on good with java browser plugin and also flash/youtube stuff |
| 17:28.13 | AJKhan | no need for 32bit stuffs? |
| 17:28.21 | valdyn | AJKhan: depends |
| 17:28.24 | Superbartt | but no logins other then me in the auth.log |
| 17:28.28 | valdyn | AJKhan: java is a fucking mess |
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| 17:28.36 | valdyn | AJKhan: write once , run nowhere or somesuch |
| 17:28.41 | AJKhan | lol |
| 17:28.41 | valdyn | AJKhan: flash is ok |
| 17:29.01 | AJKhan | flash is the biggest thing, don't really come across many embeddeb java apps |
| 17:29.07 | AJKhan | for that jre is fine |
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| 17:29.16 | Suzula | hello, How I can solve this issue? Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/firefox" (Permission denied) |
| 17:29.20 | AJKhan | i just meant back in the day one had to use nspluginwrapper or ia32libs |
| 17:29.23 | valdyn | AJKhan: theres a 64-bit java plugin, in fact theres 2, but even the one based on openjdk does not run some things |
| 17:29.25 | AJKhan | or a 32bit chroot |
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| 17:29.31 | AJKhan | i see |
| 17:29.35 | st3ven33 | I mounted my /home partition onto another drive. Into fstab I wrote /dev/sda2 /home ext3 nodev,nosuid 0 2. /home was on /dev/sda1 before. However, after restart X will not start(xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/username/.Xauthority). In runlevel 3 I can browse my home directory and everything seems to be fine. What might be a problem? |
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| 17:29.54 | Superbartt | any more suggestions? I'm trying to find out what caused it... so I can remove that file from the backup and just reinstall the server |
| 17:29.55 | AJKhan | as long as i don't need to run iceweasel in 32bit mode to get flash on amd64 sid im fine |
| 17:30.01 | zmotok | jetpda: i installed yaird and remade the initrd, but upon reboot, udev still doesn't load modules nor put the correct permissions to the files in /dev |
| 17:30.08 | Superbartt | (luckily it's a virtual machine so that wouldn't be any problem) |
| 17:30.13 | valdyn | AJKhan: theres nspluginwrapper for 32-bit plugins |
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| 17:30.23 | sepski | Superbartt, you wont see that in the regular apache logs. you might with mod_security and a audit log tho. |
| 17:30.24 | valdyn | AJKhan: and theres a native 64-bit plugin |
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| 17:30.44 | AJKhan | cuz this new box im building and ordering is going to be purely as a amd64 desktop |
| 17:30.45 | Superbartt | think it's too late for that sepski |
| 17:30.50 | AJKhan | with as little 32bit emulation as possible |
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| 17:31.00 | nkuttler | Superbartt: do you approximately know when the exploit happened? |
| 17:31.05 | valdyn | AJKhan: emulation is the wrong word |
| 17:31.10 | AJKhan | is it? |
| 17:31.12 | AJKhan | please correct me |
| 17:31.13 | Superbartt | no nkuttler, just that it was today |
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| 17:31.24 | valdyn | AJKhan: 32-bit code is running the same way that 64-bit code is running |
| 17:31.28 | AJKhan | valdyn how is the quality of the native amd64 plugin |
| 17:31.33 | nkuttler | Superbartt: well, i'd begin with find -Xtime / |
| 17:31.34 | AJKhan | i mean 64 bit plugin |
| 17:31.37 | valdyn | AJKhan: good enough |
| 17:31.41 | valdyn | AJKhan: good enough |
| 17:31.49 | AJKhan | cool |
| 17:32.10 | Superbartt | going trough that list as we speak nkuttler |
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| 17:33.08 | valdyn | st3ven33: why the fuck is /home nodev ? |
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| 17:33.32 | justin | uh, why would /home being nodev be a problem? |
| 17:34.04 | Superbartt | nkuttler, no usefull results, just normal files that shuold be changed have changed in the past 2 days (I was stupid enough to remove all the exploit files i found) |
| 17:34.18 | valdyn | st3ven33: paste the output of "ls -ld /home/username |
| 17:34.20 | valdyn | st3ven33: paste the output of "ls -ld /home/username" |
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| 17:34.56 | Nitsuga | how much disk space Debian uses? |
| 17:35.10 | Superbartt | So all files on my filesystem are ok now... But if I would just open up my firewall again I think it's exploited again in no time |
| 17:35.10 | valdyn | Nitsuga: probably 300mb to 15G |
| 17:35.38 | Nitsuga | valdyn, giving it 8GB shoul be good? |
| 17:35.40 | Witch-King_ | anyone know how i can reduce rsyslogd's memory usage? |
| 17:36.00 | WormFood | exploited? what exploit? |
| 17:36.11 | klaz168 | Supaplex, how was it 'exploited'? |
| 17:36.43 | Superbartt | you mean me klaz168? |
| 17:36.50 | valdyn | klaz168: that is what he is asking US |
| 17:36.52 | klaz168 | yes |
| 17:37.04 | klaz168 | well how did u notice it was exploited? |
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| 17:37.25 | Superbartt | How is the question... the stuff that was running was an ssh-bruteforcer and (it seemed) as an telnet deamon without any authentication |
| 17:37.40 | Superbartt | I got a mail from some guy who was being exploited |
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| 17:37.53 | WormFood | why would you be running SSH on the default port anyways? |
| 17:38.00 | Witch-King_ | lol |
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| 17:38.06 | valdyn | WormFood: now how does that matter? |
| 17:38.12 | WormFood | I thought most people were smart enough to change the ssh port number |
| 17:38.21 | valdyn | "smart" |
| 17:38.26 | klaz168 | WormFood, no problem with that |
| 17:38.34 | WormFood | the script kiddies don't check all the ports on a machine |
| 17:38.44 | Superbartt | WormFood, it wasn't ssh that got them into my system :p |
| 17:39.00 | WormFood | not if it was running on an odd port number |
| 17:39.10 | klaz168 | Superbartt, what was it? bruteforce is that what u saying? |
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| 17:39.21 | AJKhan | WormFood sup |
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| 17:39.23 | Superbartt | No klaz168, my system was running software to brute force other servers |
| 17:39.28 | AJKhan | WormFood wanna help me pick out a mobo? |
| 17:39.30 | Superbartt | But I want to know how that got in |
| 17:39.34 | WormFood | see, the standard ssh port number is 22...which is even...so run it on an odd port to stop 99.9% of the brute force attempts against your machine |
| 17:39.47 | klaz168 | okay, you have apache with some php files on that box? |
| 17:39.51 | WormFood | while not really providing any security, it will stop most all of them |
| 17:39.53 | Witch-King | anyone know how i can reduce rsyslogd's memory usage?.... |
| 17:39.55 | Superbartt | yes, quite alot of php files klaz168 :P |
| 17:40.12 | WormFood | AJKhan, I got an Intel DP43TF, which I have been very happy with |
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| 17:40.25 | JordiGH | Hm, why are the emacs docs not in /usr/share/doc/emacs* ? |
| 17:40.33 | klaz168 | Superbartt, first thing i'd check is any php backdoors |
| 17:40.37 | Superbartt | but well, there are 882MB of non-rotated logs to check out :x |
| 17:40.38 | WormFood | no overclocking, but get a fast enough cpu, and you won't have speed problems. |
| 17:40.59 | st3ven33 | valdyn: I set umask=000 and now it seems to work |
| 17:41.11 | WormFood | yeah, changing to an odd port number will also lower the log file size....I forgot to mention that |
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| 17:41.29 | Superbartt | klaz168 any idea where to start looking? |
| 17:41.43 | valdyn | st3ven33: so you just have fucked permissions |
| 17:41.54 | valdyn | st3ven33: umask is not the way to fix this |
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| 17:42.11 | justin | WormFood: you are just joking about "even" and "odd" right? :) |
| 17:42.11 | gravity | JordiGH: They're in the appropriate non-dfsg package in non-free |
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| 17:42.21 | klaz168 | Superbartt, check apache logs, n dirs httpd daemon has access.. also /tmp |
| 17:42.31 | JordiGH | gravity: No, that's not it. Even that package doesn't put the docs in /usr/share/doc. |
| 17:42.40 | Superbartt | yes there was shit in /tmp and /dev/shm/ that has been ereased |
| 17:42.57 | JordiGH | gravity: I don't mean the info docs, but stuff like the Zippy quotes or the RMS (pbuh) rantings. |
| 17:43.08 | Superbartt | trough find I checked all files with a create/modified date newer than 2 days and nothing suspicious popped up there, because i had already removed the files in /tmp and /dev/shm |
| 17:43.15 | WormFood | once a machine has been exploited, you want to boot with a different boot disk, to examine the drive. |
| 17:43.28 | klaz168 | Superbartt, if that guy who exploited ur box knows what he doing, good time recovering the system |
| 17:43.35 | WormFood | hopefully you had something like tripwire running (or whatever it is called) |
| 17:43.57 | Superbartt | there were some local root exploits in there, but i've tested them and they don't work |
| 17:44.39 | Superbartt | (currently the machine is cut off from the internet by the way) |
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| 17:45.24 | klaz168 | Superbartt, alot of things you should be doing i guess, like checking dirs that your http daemon has access to, examine your php's, check /etc/passwd.. |
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| 17:46.16 | Superbartt | there are 14354 php files on the server... how in hell do i want to check those?:P |
| 17:46.33 | WormFood | well, a quick way would be to look at the dates |
| 17:46.39 | justin | Superbartt: find -name '*.php'| xargs rm? :) |
| 17:47.12 | WormFood | first off, you don't actually run the system that has been exploited...you boot from a rescue disk, or something like that, and then example the exploited system |
| 17:47.12 | Superbartt | WormFood, I already checked (my complete filesystem) for files that were created/modified and that listed seemed fine |
| 17:47.22 | klaz168 | Superbartt, you could check dates, or write a script to check common strings in php backdoors |
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| 17:47.59 | WormFood | I don't know about debian, but I remember RPM has an option to test the installed files to see if they had been changed. |
| 17:48.23 | WormFood | I had one machine get exploited a looong time ago, and I remember I was able to quickly and easily find the modified files, and restore them |
| 17:48.26 | ttuttle | Anyone know a good way to do snapshot-style backups of a debian system without requiring n times the space for n snapshots? |
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| 17:48.54 | WormFood | ttuttle, tar? |
| 17:48.55 | dkr | ttuttle: rdiff-backup |
| 17:49.10 | Superbartt | It's quite safe to assume that's all right WormFood, they didn't get root access, there were some scripts trying to write stuff to /etc/passwd but that hasn't been modified |
| 17:49.18 | ttuttle | dkr: Okay. |
| 17:49.42 | WormFood | how do you know they didn't exploit a local root exploit? |
| 17:49.50 | dkr | ttuttle: it stores the most recent copy and then each previous incremental is simply a reverse diff of any changes between each run |
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| 17:49.57 | WormFood | er...the words didn't come out right, but you know what I mean |
| 17:50.00 | ttuttle | dkr: Okay. |
| 17:50.04 | ttuttle | dkr: Any way to encrypt them easily? |
| 17:50.05 | Superbartt | WormFood all files on there containing a root exploit didn't work |
| 17:50.10 | st3ven33 | valdyn: drwxr-xr-x 103 steven steven 4096 2009-04-14 20:20 /home/steven |
| 17:50.24 | st3ven33 | valdyn: why is this umask=000 solution a bad one? |
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| 17:50.34 | dkr | ttuttle: not that I know of. never looked though. I use ssh to do the bakcups, of course, though |
| 17:50.35 | WormFood | Superbartt, how do you know he didn't just erase the local root exploit that worked? |
| 17:50.49 | Superbartt | ok, that I don't know WormFood |
| 17:50.57 | WormFood | exactly! |
| 17:50.57 | st3ven33 | valdyn: or wh isn't umask a wa to fix this? |
| 17:51.07 | WormFood | so how do you know he didn't get root? |
| 17:51.18 | klaz168 | Superbartt, just check system logs |
| 17:51.22 | WormFood | you are probably right....they probably didn't get root....but how do you know for sure? |
| 17:51.28 | WormFood | they can erase system logs |
| 17:51.32 | WormFood | after getting root |
| 17:51.35 | xingu | !describe debsums |
| 17:51.52 | Superbartt | But ofcourse WormFood, I'm going to reinstall the server before putting it back online, but I want to know what php files to remove from the backup before restoring the backup to the fresly installed server :P |
| 17:51.55 | WormFood | I mean, hell, if I was the bad guy, I would probably just erase logs of me getting root, to make it look like a failed attempt |
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| 17:52.04 | Superbartt | WormFood because all logs are there and are intact |
| 17:52.11 | xingu | !info debsums |
| 17:52.16 | dpkg | debsums: (verification of installed package files against MD5 checksums), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.44 (sid), Packaged size: 47 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 17:52.23 | WormFood | define "intact" when it comes to log files? |
| 17:52.40 | Superbartt | there's data there without any bullshit in it? |
| 17:52.40 | WormFood | they could delete the one line, or maybe them getting root, wouldn't be in the log files |
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| 17:52.53 | Supaplex | smart people are willing to choose a root passPHRASE. my passphrase is complicated enough, it would take eons to enumerate at the rate my firewall limits ssh connections to sshd. (-m recent ftw) |
| 17:52.54 | Superbartt | ok WormFood, you are right |
| 17:53.24 | jaggz | debian netinst wants some 'ipw2100-' deb package.. but all the ipw2100 debs are etch.. |
| 17:53.57 | Superbartt | let's run rkhunter WormFood ^^ |
| 17:54.00 | WormFood | and the most clever thing an attacker could do, is to install a custom kernel module, to mask your changes |
| 17:54.05 | stew | jaggz: what makes you think it wants a 'ipw2100-' package? |
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| 17:54.17 | WormFood | once you are running a kernel module, you can do anything you want really |
| 17:54.24 | jaggz | install asks for it by name |
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| 17:54.29 | stew | jaggz: what name? |
| 17:54.32 | Lokaf | What's the best way to connect to a virtual private network (VPN)? |
| 17:54.35 | jaggz | maybe it will be happy if I put this package in though: firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 17:55.01 | jaggz | ipw2100-#.#.deb I believe it is.. it's on the system in the other room.. but it's definitely ipw2100-*.deb |
| 17:55.01 | WormFood | however, you are probably right Superbartt, they probably didn't get root access....it probably happened just like you see...they exploits didn't work, so they move to a different server that is easier to crack. |
| 17:55.04 | xingu | WormFood: aide, put the signatures onto sd card, set the slider on the card to ro posn. |
| 17:55.14 | stew | oh i didn't think we could redistribute that firmware |
| 17:55.19 | jaggz | or maybe there's no .deb on it.. but I'll see if I can add this firmware thingy .. sound good? |
| 17:55.23 | stew | Lokaf: what kind of vpn? |
| 17:55.37 | WormFood | xingu, huh? |
| 17:55.47 | Lokaf | FlashVPN. |
| 17:55.53 | Superbartt | but well i'm afraid that if i just put my backups back and reinstall the server that it will be exploited again in no time :x so what to do |
| 17:56.17 | stew | Lokaf: never heard of it. what protocol does it use? pptp? ipsec? something else? |
| 17:56.23 | jaggz | found a page on it I think: http://aaronchenwei.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!115212F824B1912A!481.entry on installing lenny on the same model thinkpad |
| 17:56.56 | Lokaf | It uses pptp, I believe. ( www.flashvpn.com ) |
| 17:57.03 | xingu | WormFood: aide is used to calculate (and check) strong hashes; if the hash database is stored on readonly media you can be completely sure that if the system is compromised you'll know |
| 17:57.27 | stew | Lokaf: if it uses pptp, the easiest way is probably to use the pptp network-manager addon |
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| 17:57.49 | WormFood | xingu, as long as the binary is also on that RO media, because they could change the program that checks the hashes |
| 17:58.14 | xingu | WormFood: that's a given; in fact you need a complete secure boot environment. |
| 17:58.32 | WormFood | that is why I suggested booting off something like a rescue disk |
| 17:58.40 | WormFood | knoppix or something similar |
| 17:59.00 | xingu | WormFood: regardless, it dispenses with the known-unknown |
| 17:59.10 | Lokaf | I tried using it before, and had some issues; I'll give it another shot. |
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| 18:00.17 | WormFood | right, that is my point before...once the machine has been exploited, you're working with a total unknown...that is why you must boot off a different device (secure environment) to examine the exploited drive |
| 18:00.22 | Strogg | let's say I find a bug.. how do I know if it's really a bug and not just me doign something stupid without realizeing it? |
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| 18:01.02 | WormFood | Strogg, file a bug report, and see what people say |
| 18:01.18 | Superbartt | ok WormFood, box is booting of an DSL iso image and i'll check find again |
| 18:01.20 | Strogg | then I have to risk it was my fault.. hrmm.. |
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| 18:02.09 | Lokaf | stew; the application doesn't seem to be working. When I click it, it starts loading, but than stops. |
| 18:02.24 | stew | Lokaf: what application? |
| 18:02.47 | Lokaf | pptp network-manager |
| 18:03.02 | stew | Lokaf: you are clicking on it where? |
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| 18:03.19 | Lokaf | Just through my menu. |
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| 18:03.27 | stew | Lokaf: its not somethign you'd run from a menu |
| 18:03.39 | stew | Lokaf: are you using network-manager currently? |
| 18:03.45 | Lokaf | Menu > Internet > VPN Connection Manager (PPP generic) |
| 18:03.56 | stew | Lokaf: that's something different |
| 18:04.00 | stew | Lokaf: and that's not pptp |
| 18:04.07 | Lokaf | Oh, just noticed that. :/ |
| 18:04.14 | Brack10 | How can I disable GDM on startup? which file do I edit? |
| 18:04.21 | Strogg | arg.. reportbug needs smtp access. |
| 18:04.22 | stew | Brack10: aptitude remove gdm |
| 18:04.24 | Lokaf | Just figured, because it appeared after I installed the package you suggested through Synaptic. |
| 18:04.35 | Lokaf | So what exactly do I need to do, stew? |
| 18:04.37 | stew | Brack10: or /msg dpkg nodm |
| 18:04.44 | Lokaf | Oh, ok. |
| 18:04.46 | Brack10 | stew: no I want to be able to start it manually as root when needed, I just don't want it to startup automatically |
| 18:04.51 | stew | Lokaf: are you using network-manager for networking currently? |
| 18:04.57 | Superbartt | WormFood find -mtime -2 is exactly the same on the live cd as on the normal boot |
| 18:05.03 | Lokaf | Um; I don't think so. |
| 18:05.11 | stew | Brack10: disable it with update-rc.d then |
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| 18:05.40 | stew | Lokaf: you'd need to if you wanted to use network-manager-pptp |
| 18:05.47 | WormFood | so what Superbartt, how do you know they didn't change the timestamps? |
| 18:05.53 | stew | Lokaf: you can also install pptp-linux and read /usr/share/doc/pptp-linux |
| 18:05.53 | Lokaf | How do I go about using it? |
| 18:06.11 | stew | Lokaf: do you run a graphical environment such as gnome or xfce or kde? |
| 18:06.12 | Superbartt | ok WormFood, it seems you know it all... what would you do now? |
| 18:06.16 | Brack10 | stew: but then that means I can't use the init script when needed right? |
| 18:06.18 | Lokaf | Yes, KDE 3.5. |
| 18:06.27 | stew | Brack10: yes |
| 18:06.35 | stew | Brack10: i'm sorry, no |
| 18:06.41 | Brack10 | I'd like to be able to do /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 18:06.45 | WormFood | no, I don't know all...I'm just pointing out that checking the dates on the file are not a reliable way to check for an intrusion |
| 18:06.48 | stew | Brack10: if you disable the init script using update-rc.d you'd still be able to do that manually |
| 18:07.09 | WormFood | you really need a strong hash of the files stored offline, to make sure they didn't change |
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| 18:07.27 | Witch-King | anyone know how i can reduce syslogd memory usage? |
| 18:07.39 | WormFood | like I said before, I was able to check all of my files for changes with RPM...but does dpkg/apt have a similar function? |
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| 18:07.51 | stew | WormFood: debsums |
| 18:07.57 | Brack10 | so when is the freebsd kernel going to be included with stable? |
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| 18:08.20 | Superbartt | ok, let's check my system with debsums |
| 18:08.23 | stew | Brack10: hopefully when squeeze is released |
| 18:08.34 | xingu | Witch-King: does the memory use fall when the log files are rotated? |
| 18:09.19 | jelly | Brack10: Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a whole different debian architecture (well, two of them actually), requires a fresh installation |
| 18:09.38 | magnet | terenova = spam bot (porn) |
| 18:09.39 | magnet | !ops |
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| 18:09.40 | dpkg | hmm... ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 18:09.40 | jelly | Brack10: not just a kernel package to be installed |
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| 18:09.57 | stew | magnet: gone, thanks. |
| 18:09.58 | Brack10 | jelly: right, I'm just wondering when people will have the option to install |
| 18:09.59 | magnet | np |
| 18:10.08 | Brack10 | jelly: you don't have the option yet, right? |
| 18:10.19 | jelly | Brack10: if you're brave enough, you do |
| 18:10.25 | Witch-King | xingu, i don't know |
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| 18:10.37 | Brack10 | on stable? |
| 18:10.38 | Witch-King | xingu, all i know is that it uses more memory than i'd like |
| 18:10.41 | WormFood | wow, a lot of packages without a checksum list (debsum -l) |
| 18:10.45 | jelly | Brack10: nope |
| 18:10.51 | Brack10 | right so that was my question |
| 18:10.54 | WormFood | I mean, on sid...I don't know about stable or testing |
| 18:11.07 | Brack10 | wormfood: sorry I was talking to jelly |
| 18:11.12 | jelly | Brack10: oh. Then squeeze release is the answer |
| 18:11.23 | stew | (hopefully) |
| 18:11.27 | jelly | right |
| 18:11.42 | stew | that's the earliest possible at least |
| 18:11.50 | WormFood | Brack10, that wasn't directed at you, that was as a follow up to my previous statement |
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| 18:12.31 | xingu | Witch-King: I sense a small experiment taking place in your future. |
| 18:12.34 | Brack10 | ah gotcha |
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| 18:13.33 | Superbartt | WormFood even at oldstable I see alot of packages without md5sums |
| 18:13.35 | Witch-King | xingu, what does that mean :\ |
| 18:14.40 | Brack10 | what's wrong with my syntax? update-rc.d gdm stop 80 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 |
| 18:15.30 | Strogg | is there anything else I should add to a bug report other than steps to reproduce and a full gdb backtrace? |
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| 18:16.21 | Superbartt | Strogg severity and results of the bug? |
| 18:16.35 | jaggz | this is it: |
| 18:16.39 | jaggz | ipw2100-1.3.fw |
| 18:16.51 | Strogg | Superbartt: reportbug promtps for that info earlier.. |
| 18:16.57 | Strogg | submits bug. |
| 18:17.05 | Superbartt | I think you got all in that case :) |
| 18:17.29 | Strogg | hopes the problem is self-stupidness.. Heh. |
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| 18:18.09 | jaggz | hey, track 1 failed the verification.. but my install is working in graphics mode.. just froze up in text-install. sigh. |
| 18:18.19 | Lokaf | stew; you there? |
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| 18:19.32 | Strogg | arghh.. f'ing smtp.. I knew it wouldn't work. |
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| 18:19.40 | Strogg | spits on rogers. |
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| 18:19.48 | SQlvpapir | is it possible to install/integrate a transparent (http)proxy with ipmasq? |
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| 18:20.46 | antipivo | who use gnome-ppp ? |
| 18:21.01 | petemc | SQlvpapir: yes, you can ad your own rules |
| 18:21.04 | petemc | add |
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| 18:21.24 | SQlvpapir | antipivo: I have to at some locations because of ms "solutions" :/ |
| 18:21.55 | Brack10 | can I disable ACPI shutdown if someone pushes the power button/reset buttons? |
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| 18:22.17 | Brack10 | the best would be to make a horrible sound |
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| 18:22.42 | SQlvpapir | petemc: would that be a easy task to accomplish? I could also enable the proxy on my main gateway and then mount the cache on this nat-"host" via nfs |
| 18:22.43 | Brack10 | when someone tries |
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| 18:23.11 | SQlvpapir | Brack10: are you using gnome? |
| 18:23.16 | petemc | SQlvpapir: its easy to accomplish with iptables, so yes, i suppose it would |
| 18:23.39 | Brack10 | SQLvpapir: not anymore. Text mode |
| 18:23.44 | SQlvpapir | petemc: ok I'll have a look at it and use the other as a backup plan |
| 18:23.49 | antipivo | SQlvpapir: I get settings after connect, and can ping DNS, and other ip, but nslookup and DNS not work |
| 18:24.08 | Brack10 | I want it to say "GO AWAY" when you try and shut it down with the power button |
| 18:24.17 | jaggz | realistic breaking glass is a freakish sound on the computer |
| 18:24.35 | jaggz | esp. when it's on error windows |
| 18:24.40 | JordiGH | jaggz: KDE, eh? |
| 18:24.53 | SQlvpapir | antipivo: I think my pptp client is broken too but I just reinstalled so could be because I cant remember the settings.. try to allow all the different compression methods etc. |
| 18:25.23 | jaggz | I don't remember which computer it was on.. might have been gnome.. but it made my heart drop.. or something. |
| 18:25.42 | Brack10 | omg I can actually make it say " go away" when you push power |
| 18:25.45 | Brack10 | Linux, I love you |
| 18:25.56 | jaggz | "No you turn off." |
| 18:26.06 | jaggz | "Close your eyes and pretend I'm not here." |
| 18:26.12 | WormFood | Brack10, I used to have a nice message when you pressed ctrl-alt-del on my system |
| 18:26.19 | antipivo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:27.29 | Brack10 | wait I don't have a /etc/acpi.... |
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| 18:28.21 | jaggz | kubuntu is not pleasing me and I think I have to go with straight-up debian |
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| 18:29.10 | Brack10 | jaggz: http://xkcd.com/456/ |
| 18:29.22 | Lns | used to have CTL+ALT+DEL mapped to a spring "Booooiiing!!" sound |
| 18:29.55 | Brack10 | oh I guess my computer isn't ACPI |
| 18:29.57 | Brack10 | ghetto |
| 18:30.04 | jaggz | it's a 500mhz thinkpad with 512mb ram and 40gb hd.. I don't want to waste too much resource (grammar?) on window effects and pizazz (sp?) |
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| 18:30.30 | jaggz | brack, if it's at all new it should be? might want to check the bios settings... |
| 18:30.37 | jaggz | there's also the apm stuff |
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| 18:31.01 | Brack10 | jaggz: check the link I sent so you understand the risk |
| 18:31.40 | SQlvpapir | jaggz: why are you using kde then ?;) |
| 18:31.48 | jaggz | is gnome faster than kde? |
| 18:31.56 | Brack10 | barely |
| 18:31.56 | jaggz | brack, nod.. just read it |
| 18:32.00 | beardy | No, but any other window manager is. |
| 18:32.07 | SQlvpapir | have a look at lxde |
| 18:32.13 | Brack10 | xfce is leightweight |
| 18:32.14 | beardy | !wm |
| 18:32.14 | dpkg | window manager is probably a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. To list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. To set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
| 18:32.21 | jintxo | I find xfce to be acceptable on "older" machines like that one |
| 18:32.24 | Brack10 | of you can man it out and just run X |
| 18:32.35 | Brack10 | jintxo: oh yeah |
| 18:32.43 | jaggz | well, I want some balance between aesthetics --> practicality --> functionality |
| 18:33.03 | jintxo | give xfce a go, see if you like it |
| 18:33.47 | c0m1 | xfce rules on my 3Ghz 64-bit box :) |
| 18:34.15 | jaggz | like I really want good key mapping.. in fact, we should have multiple clipboards (I don't think klipper allows it the way I want).. I want hotkey-to-select-buffer, ctrl-ins (copies to named buffer) |
| 18:34.18 | jaggz | like vim |
| 18:34.37 | jaggz | and other kb macros.. like my etch and lenny have |
| 18:34.51 | jaggz | okay, I'll try xfce |
| 18:34.55 | jaggz | and have a look at lxde |
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| 18:35.05 | jaggz | thanks.. afk.. someone in need |
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| 18:35.41 | spersaud | whats the best text input available for tablet pcs in debian ? |
| 18:35.50 | spersaud | on screen like those nice hps |
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| 18:35.55 | simonrvn | glipper and xfce's clipman are ok with that, though i like glipper better. unfortunately it's not very stable and the panel keeps bitching about it crashing, even though it runs fine.... |
| 18:36.18 | simonrvn | thinks it's the panel's fault |
| 18:36.26 | Strogg | files his first bug ever.. |
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| 18:38.30 | spersaud | simonrvn: those are for tablet pcs ? |
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| 18:39.43 | simonrvn | spersaud: what? no. was in response to jaggz's comment about the clipboards. |
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| 18:46.26 | kunal | hello. |
| 18:46.33 | kunal | what is the best tool for partion magic? |
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| 18:46.50 | kunal | i mean to detect partions and for formatting? |
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| 18:47.23 | rafuch0 | cfdisk |
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| 18:50.20 | stew | kunal: "fdisk -l" will show you your partitions. mkfs for creating filsystems |
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| 18:50.55 | tec | hello |
| 18:51.05 | smacnay | Is there an issue with Gnome in Debian testing and usb card readers? My usb devices seem not to work well (time outs on file transfers, etc.) with the Deb 2.6.26 kernels and Gnome. I tired a live Ubuntu boot and had no issues. |
| 18:51.05 | smacnay | I am just curious if anyone else is having trouble. |
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| 18:51.29 | kunal | thanks stew |
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| 18:51.49 | smacnay | Maybe it is an Nautilus issue. |
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| 18:52.06 | tec | i have a big problem getting debian installed on a supermicro server with the sil3112 sata controller. |
| 18:52.06 | justin | smacnay: try copying files using cp. |
| 18:52.11 | macman_ | anyone use partimage before ? |
| 18:52.13 | tec | can somebody help? |
| 18:52.25 | smacnay | justin: will do |
| 18:52.48 | smacnay | justin: I need to kill this hung process. The USB device has reset itself about 6x. |
| 18:52.52 | tec | there is no driver in the kernel, and sil on its website is only supporting redhat and suse |
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| 18:53.34 | solifugus | I just installed debian, default desktop and it booted up with gnome staring me in the face.. that's just disgusting. |
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| 18:54.27 | solifugus | If I install base only, then there is a single meta package for the full kde 3 desktop? |
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| 18:54.38 | justin | solifugus: kde |
| 18:55.05 | solifugus | justin: is there a single package for kde 3 or do i have to get all kinds of packages? |
| 18:55.12 | justin | solifugus: kde |
| 18:55.53 | macman_ | so .. i want to use partimage to backup a fat32 windows 9x harddrive .. after i do this i want to restore the image on a vista / NTS machine .. is this possible ? |
| 18:55.57 | cire | Is there a tool which can increment over specified chars to generate words? I need this for brute forcing. (eg. "someTool --length 2 - chars abc" will return "aa" then "ab" "ac" "ba" and so on... |
| 18:56.20 | justin | cire: john |
| 18:56.23 | smacnay | justin: that seemed to work - load average got up to 5 but I was able to copy 350 Meg across without errors. |
| 18:56.34 | cire | thank you justin, I will check it out. |
| 18:57.02 | nanux | Hello, my Debian system freezes every time I boot on linux... I´m on windows and I mounted all debian partitions with ext2 volume manager now to take a look at what happens... I know that my timer clock on the mother board runs slower and the system clock desync... But i don't think that's the problem... Debian worked ok before I reinstalled with the new testing (I was using stable) |
| 18:58.00 | nanux | Any idea about how can i approach this problem? |
| 18:58.03 | Brack10 | trying to install Lenny on an old IBM workstation, and it's not getting a DHCP address...DHCP server is good, network card is good....where can I find the output to see what's wrong? |
| 18:58.11 | justin | nanux: when does it freeze |
| 18:58.15 | Brack10 | can't figure out how to troubleshoot this with busybox |
| 18:58.30 | justin | Brack10: how many network interfaces does it have? |
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| 18:58.52 | Brack10 | just one |
| 18:59.08 | nanux | justin: it freezes before X, after login on X and on random times |
| 18:59.12 | justin | what does ifconfig say? if busybox has miitool or ethtool run those |
| 18:59.37 | nanux | Seems to be some kind of kernel problem, by when it freezes |
| 18:59.53 | justin | nanux: try a different kernel then |
| 19:00.08 | Brack10 | justin: no, neither of thosre |
| 19:00.24 | Brack10 | no text editor, no ls, cp anything |
| 19:00.44 | nanux | I got the debian one, with nothing else. Not even 3D |
| 19:00.53 | JordiGH | Huh, busybox has ls and cp. |
| 19:00.55 | Brack10 | oh nm I do have it |
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| 19:01.00 | Brack10 | sorry |
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| 19:01.13 | JordiGH | And I could have sworn it had a tiny vim in there. |
| 19:01.31 | JordiGH | Yeah, it has a vi. |
| 19:01.32 | justin | technically busybox IS ls and cp :) |
| 19:01.47 | nanux | justin: Also here I got no cdlive or way to access the debian and chroot to install a new kernel or something... Can a chroot be made from windows? from cygwin maybe? |
| 19:02.00 | Brack10 | anyway how can I find out what's wrong |
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| 19:02.05 | Brack10 | ?> |
| 19:02.06 | justin | nanux: boot your system into single user mode |
| 19:02.13 | justin | Brack10: what does ifconfig say? |
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| 19:02.19 | Brack10 | I can't do ifconfig |
| 19:02.25 | justin | why? |
| 19:03.24 | Brack10 | command not found |
| 19:04.01 | tec | anyone an idea howto get a debian installed with a sil3112 sata controller |
| 19:04.02 | tec | ? |
| 19:04.08 | smacnay | justin: I am guessing that as Gnome has been upgrading in testing, nautilus is broken to some degree. The Ubuntu live disc was nautilus 2.24 and I am running 2.20 |
| 19:04.14 | stew | Brack10: its in /sbin which might not be in your PATH |
| 19:06.24 | Brack10 | /bin/ifconfig, /usr/bin/ifconfig, /sbin/ifconfig and /usr/sbin/ifconfig all don't work |
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| 19:06.34 | justin | Brack10: try 'busybox ifconfig' |
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| 19:07.04 | Brack10 | applet not found |
| 19:07.19 | justin | well, that isnt going to work :) |
| 19:07.34 | Brack10 | I just want my output |
| 19:07.37 | Brack10 | should I look in syslog? |
| 19:07.43 | justin | try the other consoles |
| 19:08.12 | Brack10 | oh I got it cat /var/log/syslog |
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| 19:09.06 | PeteBoyd | I have an Etch server with SCSI hard disk sda and a USB-attached hard disk for backing up to (sdb). If the USB disk is attached on startup then after some of the way into loading up the system Linux fails because it can't find something on the USB-attached disk which has appeared as sda. fstab lists them properly as sda and sdb. Why is the USB-attached disk appearing as sda and causing Linux to fail to startup? |
| 19:09.24 | Brack10 | no dhcp offers... |
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| 19:09.28 | Brack10 | so lost |
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| 19:09.49 | Brack10 | it works on xubuntu |
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| 19:10.49 | justin | PeteBoyd: change your fstab to use LABEL or UUID |
| 19:11.07 | PeteBoyd | justin: OK I'll look into that, thanks |
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| 19:12.04 | Brack10 | I thought it uses UUID by default |
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| 19:12.58 | AlHafoudh | how to launch screen with multiple predefines windows with titles and commands running? |
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| 19:13.11 | justin | AlHafoudh: write a screenrc file |
| 19:13.23 | justin | AlHafoudh: look at /etc/screenrc |
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| 19:14.25 | smacnay | justin: no, the file never fully copied over. Maybe the card reader is broken... |
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| 19:14.44 | inckie | anyone, knows a tool, which i can BOOT from a usb pen, which allows me to easly low level format my harddrives? |
| 19:15.36 | xingu | !dban |
| 19:15.37 | dpkg | somebody said dban was http://www.dban.org/ Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. |
| 19:15.53 | justin | smacnay: dmesg say anything? |
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| 19:16.25 | cire | 'echo -n "" | jacksum -a sha-256' returns the same string as noted in http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Hash_Algorithm, but when using the exampüle phrase "Frank jagt..." it generates a different hash. Why is this? |
| 19:16.38 | smacnay | justin: actully, a whole lot of error messages related to the device failing. I will post to which paste site? |
| 19:17.07 | inckie | thx xingu |
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| 19:18.48 | smacnay | justin: I get filesystem panic messages, umount messages, a Call trace, etc. |
| 19:18.58 | grirgz | bye |
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| 19:19.10 | jelly-home | cire: did you use the same input encoding, in case the phrase uses non-ASCII characters? Did you include or omit the final \n? |
| 19:19.10 | nanux | cire: I won't use wikipedia as a test suite |
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| 19:20.16 | cire | nanux: I generated it also via a web-form. The web-Form agrees with wikipedia ;) |
| 19:20.31 | cire | jelly-home: there are no non-ASCII chars |
| 19:20.40 | cire | there is no final \n |
| 19:20.56 | Nikke | how do i check if the nvidia driver is correct installed? |
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| 19:21.21 | chordogg | is it possible to have flash drives automatically mount when plugged in? |
| 19:21.39 | module000 | Nikke: well..if you are in X, "lsmod | grep nv"...if nv is in the list and "in use", then it's working |
| 19:21.51 | module000 | Nikke: to see whether x is configured to use the nv driver...check your xorg.conf |
| 19:22.13 | gravity | um... that's all wrong |
| 19:22.23 | gravity | Nikke: Look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:22.27 | module000 | that's one way..we could list a gazillion for him |
| 19:22.37 | Nikke | gravity: gravity, xorg hasnt any nvidia things in it |
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| 19:22.39 | Nikke | hmm |
| 19:22.51 | gravity | Nikke: xorg.conf shouldn't by default |
| 19:23.02 | gravity | That's why you look at the logfile |
| 19:23.06 | justin | smacnay: yeah, that's not good |
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| 19:23.10 | nanux | cire: I did a sha256 implementation with java that passed nsa test suite, Do you want it? |
| 19:23.23 | Nikke | ööi downloaded nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 that i have and nvidia-glx |
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| 19:23.43 | nanux | cire: I also got a pdf with explanations about how to write an implementation with some easy test values |
| 19:23.52 | nanux | I cannot find the test suite btw |
| 19:24.20 | smacnay | justin: http://pastebin.ca/1392018 |
| 19:24.36 | jcm | hi, I'm trying to install debian with soft RAID5 on amd64 with debian installer; is there a howto or guide for this ? |
| 19:24.47 | cire | The Website I have to hack (for educational purpose, part of my studies) has a javascript implementation of SHA-256 which I can see in. |
| 19:24.55 | smacnay | This didn't happen with a live cd of ubuntu so I am wondering what software is doing this. |
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| 19:25.12 | nanux | cire: sorry i thought you tried to write your own implementation for educational purpose |
| 19:25.18 | jelly-home | cire: umm... how is this a debian question? |
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| 19:25.35 | x1250 | guys, how can I change the ALT+MOUSE1 behaviour? for now it moves windows, but I need to change it, it conflicts with a inkscape function I really need. I tried gconf-editor, but I couldn't find it on apps->metacity->* |
| 19:25.35 | cire | because I am using the debian package jacksum for this.- |
| 19:26.00 | cire | on my debian machine. |
| 19:26.10 | nanux | cire: probably the hash funciton is correct but maybe tha padding is not the same used |
| 19:26.22 | cire | yeah, possible. |
| 19:26.28 | smacnay | justin: I might just change my apt sources from "testing" to "sid" as there are some very large discrepancies in versioning within Gnome. If that doesn't work, I have backups of all my data and can just reinstall a clean system. |
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| 19:27.12 | cire | nanux: could you post the result for SHA256("somestring") with your Java Code? |
| 19:27.16 | smacnay | justin: ie. nautilus is 2.20 and gnome is versioned as 2.22 but some other parts are 2.24 |
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| 19:27.32 | jelly-home | cire: echo -n "Frank jagt im komplett verwahrlosten Taxi quer durch Bayern"| sha256sum - |
| 19:27.37 | jelly-home | cire: works for me |
| 19:27.41 | Witch-King | can someone tell me another syslog package that uses less memory than rsyslogd or how i can reduce the memory usage of rsyslogd? |
| 19:27.42 | nanux | I'm on windows now, and I'm ashamed to tell you but i don't know how to execute a java console program in windows... |
| 19:27.46 | cire | ohhh, I'll check it again |
| 19:27.53 | nanux | cire: if you want i can send it to you it's 4KB |
| 19:28.02 | cire | that would be great |
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| 19:28.57 | nanux | http://rapidshare.com/files/221351932/sha256.java.html |
| 19:29.25 | jelly-home | cire: which version of jacksum package do you use? Which architecture? |
| 19:29.28 | cire | jelly-home: weird... jacksum -a sha-256 returns a different string |
| 19:29.44 | cire | but sha256sum works also, here |
| 19:29.57 | nanux | cire: sorry i send you an old version not finished... |
| 19:30.02 | nanux | I cannot find the complete one |
| 19:30.09 | cire | no problem |
| 19:30.32 | cire | I'll nevertheless need some time to read it and understand it |
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| 19:31.41 | doctormo | Damn damn, blast |
| 19:31.44 | jaggz | how do install this firmware during install? I have it on a usb stick and mounted it manually |
| 19:31.56 | doctormo | I upgraded from etch to lenny, now my python-central package is erroring out: |
| 19:32.00 | doctormo | pycentral: pycentral pkginstall: package python-modeploy is not installed |
| 19:32.09 | mrglinux | I got this fck error for install package http://rafb.net/p/CPbtzp82.html |
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| 19:32.18 | jaggz | but I mounted the usb after the stage of it scanning |
| 19:32.27 | doctormo | Which is bizzar since python-modeploy depends on python-central, not the other way round. and it's a package that I created. |
| 19:32.41 | jelly-home | cire: jacksum seems to be buggy with stdin, but works with a real file |
| 19:32.48 | jelly-home | cire: file a bug! |
| 19:32.49 | jaggz | maybe I'll go back and see if it scans the usb stick now that it's mounted.. sigh. |
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| 19:33.02 | justin | mrglinux: /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride |
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| 19:33.54 | mrglinux | justin so ? |
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| 19:34.28 | cire | jelly-home: thanks for clearifying that |
| 19:34.39 | Witch-King | can someone tell me how to search the repos by 'provides'? |
| 19:35.06 | Mac101 | is 20 char pass with number and letters secure enough for root or should are uppercase&weird chars need 2? |
| 19:35.13 | stew | Witch-King: aptitude search '~Ppackagename' |
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| 19:35.33 | stew | Witch-King: or "apt-cache showpkg virtualpackage" will show packages providing it in the "Reverse Provides" section |
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| 19:35.54 | jelly-home | cire: ah, it's already reported |
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| 19:36.13 | justin | mrglinux: remove the lines referencing the user that you no longer have |
| 19:36.23 | Witch-King | stew, okay. thanks. do you happen to know a syslog package that uses less resources than rsyslog..? |
| 19:36.23 | mrglinux | ok |
| 19:36.50 | justin | Witch-King: sysklogd |
| 19:37.00 | stew | Witch-King: i don't, i've never used it |
| 19:37.03 | jelly-home | judd: bug 514299 |
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| 19:37.23 | RichiH | i know there is a faster way to show the total number of files in a dir rather than using ls -l | wc |
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| 19:37.26 | jelly-home | judd: yo |
| 19:37.27 | judd | jelly-home: Error: "yo" is not a valid command. |
| 19:37.29 | Witch-King | stew, uh, well, rsyslogd was kindly installed for me in debian when i installed it |
| 19:37.48 | jelly-home | stew, is judd's bug buggy? |
| 19:37.52 | Witch-King | stew, but i assume if i just remove it that something will break |
| 19:38.11 | stew | jelly-home: yeah, i haven't updated the bug database in a long time, its too much to mirror |
| 19:38.16 | stew | jelly-home: use !dbugs |
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| 19:38.43 | RichiH | ls -l | wc |
| 19:38.43 | RichiH | 2021877 18196886 111202978 |
| 19:38.45 | RichiH | heh |
| 19:38.52 | jelly-home | RichiH: real files or any directory entries? |
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| 19:39.01 | RichiH | jelly: either is fine |
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| 19:39.43 | justin | Witch-King: lenny uses rsyslog by default. everything previous used sysklogd |
| 19:40.00 | jelly-home | RichiH: ls -1f is faster than needless -l |
| 19:40.19 | Witch-King | justin, do you know how i can reduce it's memory usage? |
| 19:40.24 | justin | Witch-King: no |
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| 19:40.33 | jelly-home | RichiH: find ... -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 is possibly nicer |
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| 19:43.07 | jelly-home | RichiH: you'll use find to clean up that mess anyway |
| 19:43.15 | jelly-home | !using find |
| 19:43.15 | dpkg | [using find] http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
| 19:43.32 | snail | i've just got back from a long weekend and am hearing rumors that my unstable desktop is going to be really broken by xorg updates. anyone comment on that? |
| 19:44.17 | jetpda | hey you're spamming greycat's site |
| 19:44.27 | RichiH | jelly: atm, i am just for for i in * |
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| 19:44.52 | jelly-home | RichiH: that won't work |
| 19:44.58 | jetpda | snail after upgrade, install xorg is all u need to do |
| 19:45.05 | justin | jetpda: depends on the shell |
| 19:45.07 | justin | er |
| 19:45.12 | justin | jelly-home: depends on the shell |
| 19:45.31 | snail | jetpda: cool, thanks |
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| 19:45.36 | jetpda | it removes some xorg... install gnome session also if u use gnome |
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| 19:46.06 | jelly-home | justin: point me to a shell that can take a 100MB command line |
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| 19:46.09 | jetpda | xcuse aolspeek... pda |
| 19:46.25 | justin | jelly-home: zsh ? :) |
| 19:46.29 | jelly-home | justin: no. |
| 19:46.55 | jelly-home | and it makes no sense anyway |
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| 19:47.13 | RichiH | jelly-home: it does/ |
| 19:47.25 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 19:47.40 | Mac101 | anyone know where the pure-ftpd conf file is located on debian? |
| 19:48.06 | jelly-home | Mac101: dpkg -L packagename will tell you about all the files in a package |
| 19:48.07 | stew | Mac101: there are many in /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/ |
| 19:48.13 | SQlvpapir | Mac101: /etc/? |
| 19:48.26 | jetpda | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.31 | jetpda | ah |
| 19:48.41 | jelly-home | !penixstrike SQlvpapir and jetpda |
| 19:48.42 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking SQlvpapir and jetpda to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:48.44 | Mac101 | ah thx |
| 19:49.15 | jetpda | hey I'm unarmed... |
| 19:49.38 | SQlvpapir | my feelings for POSIX are hurt |
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| 19:51.24 | cognitiaclaeves | New Lenny install; having difficulty getting bugzilla working. Getting /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: lib/i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi/auto/DBD/mysql/mysql.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr |
| 19:51.58 | Mac101 | what do people recommed for a ftpd that supports ssl data transfer? |
| 19:52.07 | poisonbit | snail, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/CurrentProblemsInUnstable |
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| 19:52.49 | asaleem_ | any idea why I am receving this error with find |
| 19:52.51 | poisonbit | Mac101, sftp / scp ? :-) |
| 19:52.57 | asaleem_ | is part of a loop in the directory hierarchy; we have already visited the directory to which it points. |
| 19:53.24 | asaleem_ | Sorry, I know why but I would like to know how to resolve it |
| 19:53.56 | cognitiaclaeves | Mac101: vsftpd / proftpd are the two I found when I looked. |
| 19:54.00 | asaleem_ | I have symlinks in different dirs that points to the same location |
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| 19:54.10 | snail | hails poisonbit |
| 19:54.21 | jelly-home | asaleem_: make it not follow symlinks? |
| 19:54.25 | cognitiaclaeves | ( That said, sftp / scp is probably a much better choice. ) |
| 19:54.27 | snail | poisonbit: yeah, looks like i'll have to reconfigure my macrons |
| 19:54.37 | Mac101 | cognitiaclaeves thx |
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| 19:54.49 | asaleem_ | jelly-home, but I want to include that dir |
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| 19:55.08 | poisonbit | snail, i don't know to much... i use lenny, but i read that link in planet.debian.org ;) |
| 19:55.35 | jaggz | What does this mean: loading the firmware is most likely to succeed from a FAT-formatted floppy disk or USB stick. |
| 19:55.39 | jelly-home | asaleem_: -maxdepth? If it's a single symlink to be followed, add it to find ? |
| 19:55.53 | poisonbit | Mac101, if you want a "pure" ftp and not sftp, i think that debian infraestructure is over vsftp |
| 19:55.56 | SQlvpapir | how can I prevent gdm from starting at boot time? it has to be do-able from a livecd |
| 19:56.03 | jaggz | "most likely to succeed"?? I can mount the usb stick.. how do I get the .fw files installed? |
| 19:56.12 | jetpda | 1 |
| 19:56.24 | poisonbit | SQlvpapir, update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 19:56.35 | jetpda | !nodm |
| 19:56.35 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 19:56.52 | asaleem_ | jelly-home, it's a dir in /home that is symlinked from /var/www1, /var/www2, /var/www3 ... |
| 19:56.59 | jetpda | that's goofy though |
| 19:58.09 | jelly-home | asaleem_: a single dir? |
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| 19:58.09 | jetpda | chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 19:58.09 | asaleem_ | jelly-home, but inside /var/wwwn, there are sub dir I want to include |
| 19:58.09 | jetpda | or edit default-display-manager |
| 19:58.09 | poisonbit | jaggz, firmware files uses to live in /lib/firmware (or /target/lib/firmware if it is a debian installer shell) |
| 19:58.09 | asaleem_ | /home/x is single dir, though |
| 19:58.15 | jelly-home | asaleem_: so if you're doing find /var ..., replace it with find /var /home/yourdir ... (and don't use -L) |
| 19:58.20 | jetpda | !firmware |
| 19:58.20 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some non-free firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
| 19:58.50 | SQlvpapir | poisonbit: I am afraid it wont work for me since the livecd is 32bit and my /usr/sbin/update-rc.d is on a fully amd64-alized system |
| 19:58.57 | jetpda | goes back to lurking |
| 19:58.58 | jaggz | !installer firmware to jaggz |
| 19:59.00 | asaleem_ | jelly-home, that should work, I guess. Thanks |
| 19:59.09 | SQlvpapir | but hey maybe its not 64bit.. I'll give it a shot. thanks |
| 19:59.27 | poisonbit | SQlvpapir, you can simply remove the links to /etc/init.d/gdm from /etc/rcNUMBER.d/ dirs |
| 19:59.55 | poisonbit | thats what the command does |
| 19:59.57 | jetpda | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:00.00 | asaleem_ | jelly-home, /var/wwwn are itself symlinks |
| 20:00.04 | jetpda | !selftell |
| 20:00.04 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 20:00.07 | asaleem_ | jelly-home, /var/wwwn are itself symlinks |
| 20:00.39 | SQlvpapir | poisonbit: thanks a lot I think that you just made hours of difference. thank you thank you thank you |
| 20:00.42 | SQlvpapir | !beer poisonbit |
| 20:00.42 | dpkg | pours a litre of Piraat for poisonbit |
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| 20:00.59 | poisonbit | yo're welcome |
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| 20:03.07 | jaggz | jettpda, thanks :) |
| 20:03.15 | jaggz | poison, thanky |
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| 20:03.32 | maxxle | Hi! How can I build modules for my kernel? I've already built a kernel-image with make-kpkg. But the modules were not built. Can i use make-kpkg for it or do i have to use make instead |
| 20:04.01 | kriebel | maxxle: read the manual for make-kpkg |
| 20:04.07 | kriebel | I think there's a --with-modules argument |
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| 20:04.30 | worr | I think it's make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot modules |
| 20:04.53 | worr | I'm pretty sure it's a target of make-kpkg |
| 20:04.55 | maxxle | kriebel: modules is a buildtarget. But if i do a make-kpkg --initrd binary modules it won't build. |
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| 20:05.08 | dondelelcaro | maxxle: make-kpkg builds modules if you build a kernel image |
| 20:05.22 | kriebel | well, then you asked the wrong question ;-) |
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| 20:05.38 | dondelelcaro | maxxle: if you mean non-in-kernel modules, that's the modules target. |
| 20:06.56 | worr | in your kernel config, did you specify anything to be modules? |
| 20:07.18 | worr | *to be built as a module |
| 20:07.21 | maxxle | dondelelcaro: Hm ok! Then i should check the buildoutput. There is no /lib/modules/2.6.****** |
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| 20:07.26 | maxxle | Yes - i did for sure. |
| 20:07.33 | maxxle | All the crapy USB-stuff :) |
| 20:07.47 | dondelelcaro | maxxle: what is the output of dpkg-deb -c /path/to/fookernel.deb ? |
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| 20:09.09 | maxxle | erm.... where can i post some lines? |
| 20:09.27 | SQlvpapir | pastebin.com |
| 20:09.33 | poisonbit | http://paste.debian.net |
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| 20:10.22 | sneezewort | I am running amd64 bit and I am trying to install arcsde. The problem is the library that comes with ArcSDE named st_geometry.so is only 32 bit. When I try to create an sde database I get "wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32" |
| 20:10.30 | sneezewort | Is there a way around this? |
| 20:10.54 | poisonbit | chroot the application ? |
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| 20:10.57 | junix | i seem to be having some problems booting Debian Lenny 5.0, it stops at "can't enumerate usb port 2" |
| 20:11.35 | maxxle | http://paste.debian.net/33499/ |
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| 20:11.59 | valdyn | sneezewort: you can and need to compile 32-bit code |
| 20:12.32 | valdyn | sneezewort: i think its just gcc -m32 |
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| 20:15.03 | maxxle | http://paste.debian.net/33499/ <- this is the output i get from my build. I have no ide why there are no modules that get generated |
| 20:16.46 | dondelelcaro | maxxle: because you don't have any not-in-kernel modules. |
| 20:17.12 | dondelelcaro | maxxle: all of the modules that are part of the kernel get build in the kernel_image target |
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| 20:18.32 | maxxle | dondelelcaro: You mean if i install the .debs I should get a /lib/modules/$my_kernel ? |
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| 20:19.19 | dondelelcaro | maxxle: yes. You can check by running dpkg-deb -c path/to/linux-imagefoo.deb; |
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| 20:20.01 | maxxle | dendelelcaro: Ok. So i will try this as soon as the box is up and running. |
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| 20:22.55 | seria-mau | how can i get a listing of all build dependencies a package has? |
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| 20:23.53 | dondelelcaro | seria-mau: apt-cache showsrc foopkg; and look at the Build-Depends* fields. |
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| 20:24.51 | seria-mau | dondelelcaro: oh. i read that in the manpage but figured it had nothing to do with what i wanted :/ |
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| 20:25.19 | dondelelcaro | (though in general, you should be using pbuilder or similar to have those dependencies satified for you) |
| 20:26.07 | seria-mau | i am not interested in building packages from source through the dpkg framework |
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| 20:28.00 | poisonbit | seria-mau, so if you don't want the dpkg framework (¿why?) your build depends. are on the INSTALL, README, etc files of the sources |
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| 20:28.25 | poisonbit | s/are/may be/ |
| 20:28.43 | ar0nic | hey guys, excuse my noobness, but i gotta hypothetical if anyone wants to tackle it.. i dont need a specific answer, just a *what would you do* in this instance... |
| 20:29.11 | ar0nic | if you owned a dedicated server running debian, and on one of the vps's the virtual ethernet device kept locking up at certain speeds |
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| 20:29.43 | ar0nic | the person renting the vps obviously doesnt have box root axx, so if you were to give him axx how would you limit them as well as make some type of secure automated code |
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| 20:29.57 | ar0nic | like equivalant to a batch file for windows that would run the commands for the user.. |
| 20:30.03 | stew | mode #debian -b-q-o *!*@71-20-132-43.war.clearwire-wmx.net *!*@71-20-132-43.war.clearwire-wmx.net stew |
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| 20:33.25 | seria-mau | poisonbit: i hoped to find some hints about usable libtool version for compilation (i am using the garnome buildsystem) but they aren't listed as build dependencies. INSTALL, README et al list libtoolize in the cases i am interested in, but no version information. looks like i have to pry that information from the *.m4 files. meh. |
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| 20:34.38 | poisonbit | ar0nic, make a shell script, and if it needs privileged programs, use sudo for a standar user... also you can make the script the "shell" of the user (a login from ssh, executes the sript) |
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| 20:35.27 | seria-mau | ar0nic: what's "axx"? |
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| 20:36.24 | poisonbit | seria-mau, you can look at some pre-packaged version of gnome near to yours... also in other distros, and see the depends |
| 20:36.28 | junix | is there something wrong with cdimages.debian.org? I can't download any jigdo files |
| 20:36.31 | seria-mau | teh googlebox only lists some arcane .axx file extension |
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| 20:38.59 | poisonbit | junix, i can |
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| 20:39.02 | poisonbit | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 20:39.23 | Brack10 | trying to install Debian Lenny on an old x86 IBM workstation. Nic is good, works on installed xubuntu....can't see anything, DHCP fails, can't talk to anything when manually configured. Tried echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling to no avail. Please help |
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| 20:39.39 | junix | poisonbit: i seem to be having problems with USB during boot, could this be my isssue? |
| 20:39.48 | junix | do i need to upgrade to 5.0.1? |
| 20:39.55 | junix | this is a fresh install |
| 20:40.19 | TheSarge | Hello everyone, I did a reinstall yesterday to resolve another issue, but now my /boot/grub looks like this http://pastebin.com/f47c2de86 |
| 20:40.51 | poisonbit | junix, dude http://www.es.debian.org/News/2009/20090411 |
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| 20:41.00 | poisonbit | sorry, remove the .es. |
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| 20:41.44 | TheSarge | I have tried reinstalling grub using apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install grub and just plain old grub-reinstall, neither repair my /boot/grub dir? |
| 20:42.05 | TheSarge | er grub-install I mean |
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| 20:42.31 | poisonbit | TheSarge, you can see dpkg -S over each file |
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| 20:42.36 | orTix | Question, im recompiling the kernel but its stay stuck in this: Could not find /boot/grub/menu.lst file. Would you like /boot/grub/menu.lst generated for you? (y/N) y |
| 20:42.40 | GAZRA | Does anyone know how to configure a user to only be able to create 444 (ro) files? |
| 20:42.41 | TheSarge | I don't know why all those .mod files are there, nor where my menu.lst is or grub.conf? |
| 20:42.50 | orTix | after a few minutes it will timeout, anybody know what the problem is? |
| 20:42.56 | Brack10 | someone? ayone? |
| 20:43.01 | Brack10 | I'm totaly lost |
| 20:43.02 | TheSarge | poisonbit: I am sorry, I don't understand what you mean? |
| 20:43.29 | Brack10 | I'm really bad at installer hackery |
| 20:43.37 | poisonbit | TheSarge, dpkg -S will say if the files are from any package, if not, you can delete them |
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| 20:44.20 | poisonbit | also you can purge grub and the install, instead of reinstall |
| 20:44.27 | poisonbit | s/the/then/ |
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| 20:45.13 | TheSarge | poisonbit: I am sorry I still don't follow? How do I get my menu.lst back? |
| 20:45.44 | TheSarge | I don't know what purging grub means? |
| 20:46.17 | poisonbit | aptitude purge grub grub-common && aptitude install grub |
| 20:46.53 | mythomaniac | anyone know when we can see the new gnome features in squeeze? |
| 20:47.12 | TheSarge | poisonbit: Thanks, I am trying now |
| 20:47.30 | mythomaniac | in particular nautilus? |
| 20:48.14 | Brack10 | so when they release squeeze, is it going to be Debian GNU/Linux/BSD? |
| 20:48.26 | valdyn | Brack10: nope |
| 20:48.37 | TheSarge | poisonbit: my /boot/menu is still the same? Full of .mod files and no menu.lst? |
| 20:48.42 | mythomaniac | Brack10, why would they put bsd in there? |
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| 20:49.04 | TheSarge | /boot/grub* |
| 20:49.05 | Brack10 | cuz you'll be able to install with the FreeBSD kernel I thought |
| 20:49.16 | valdyn | Brack10: not exactly |
| 20:49.21 | cesar_CR | hello guys how can I go back from an aptitude updade ? |
| 20:50.13 | valdyn | Brack10: its a port, i dont think you can just switch |
| 20:50.21 | stew | cesar_CR: (i think you mean upgrade not update), and there is no easy way |
| 20:50.25 | Brack10 | ok |
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| 20:50.36 | Brack10 | can anyone help? |
| 20:50.50 | TheSarge | stew: Do you have any suggestions about my grub issue? |
| 20:50.51 | Brack10 | etch installed OK |
| 20:50.55 | cesar_CR | stew yes upgrade, no easy way ? then stew |
| 20:50.56 | poisonbit | TheSarge, dpkg -l | grep -E "grub|lilo" ? |
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| 20:51.10 | poisonbit | using grub2 instead? |
| 20:51.11 | valdyn | TheSarge: why are you using grub2? |
| 20:51.14 | TheSarge | poisonbit: why is lilo in that? |
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| 20:51.30 | Brack10 | can I test my NIC somehow from busybox? |
| 20:51.30 | TheSarge | I am using grub2? |
| 20:51.34 | valdyn | TheSarge: you should defenitely be using grub |
| 20:51.40 | valdyn | TheSarge: those .mod files are from grub2 |
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| 20:51.52 | poisonbit | TheSarge, lilo was to know which packages do you have |
| 20:51.53 | stew | TheSarge: /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz tells you how to setup grub |
| 20:51.59 | TheSarge | Is that why my grub menu has a pretty background at boot time? |
| 20:52.09 | poisonbit | yes |
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| 20:52.19 | valdyn | TheSarge: possibly yes |
| 20:52.42 | Niklas- | Hey. Shouldn't it be possible to boot a machine with raid1 root partition, without using initrd? |
| 20:52.52 | TheSarge | stew: it is setup. its not acting correctly though. my /boot/grub doesnt have a menu.lst or grub.conf just a bunch of .mod files |
| 20:52.59 | chronic | when im searching repos with aptitude search, what switch will return version number? |
| 20:53.04 | valdyn | TheSarge: if grub2 works ok for you, you can surely keep it, but it does not use menu.lst and what it uses, the menu.cfg is generated, dont edit it |
| 20:53.10 | chronic | i already tried v ,V ,-v ,-V and none return version number |
| 20:53.10 | TheSarge | poisonbit: So how do I get back to grub1? |
| 20:53.31 | poisonbit | TheSarge, aptitude purge grub2 && aptitude install grub ? |
| 20:53.35 | TheSarge | valdyn: Then how can I pass kernel options? |
| 20:53.35 | poisonbit | i don't know |
| 20:54.12 | macman_ | guys i would like an estimate of how long this should take ok |
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| 20:54.45 | macman_ | im doing a tar cf - My Documents |gzip -c > Mydocuments.tgz and it is 3.0gigs .. how long should a tar take ruffley ? |
| 20:54.59 | valdyn | TheSarge: at /etc/default/grub |
| 20:55.01 | TheSarge | There is no way to pass kernel options using grub2? |
| 20:55.08 | abrotman | macman_: depends on about 20 different things |
| 20:55.09 | TheSarge | valdyn: Thanks |
| 20:55.17 | macman_ | abrotman- like ? |
| 20:55.24 | abrotman | has a tail! |
| 20:55.27 | TheSarge | I probably broke Grub2 by running grub-install now... |
| 20:55.40 | valdyn | TheSarge: why? |
| 20:55.42 | abrotman | macman_: disk speed? are you tarring to the same device? CPU speed blah blah blah |
| 20:55.53 | valdyn | TheSarge: grub-install is from grub2 aswell if that is whats installed |
| 20:56.06 | TheSarge | valdyn: I don't know... I am just scared to restart |
| 20:56.13 | TheSarge | valdyn: Ah ok |
| 20:56.18 | TheSarge | I should be fine then |
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| 20:57.44 | TheSarge | okay that grub file is weird compared to menu.lst I think I need to find an example, maybe there is one in the man page |
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| 20:57.55 | valdyn | TheSarge: why? |
| 20:57.57 | macman_ | abrotman- just trying to tar directories |
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| 20:58.10 | valdyn | TheSarge: dont you see the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX ? |
| 20:58.11 | macman_ | aw yes im doing it to the same hd abrotman |
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| 20:58.28 | TheSarge | valdyn: because I dont see the normal list entries, so I don't know where to place a kernel option |
| 20:58.40 | valdyn | TheSarge: ok, i just told you where |
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| 20:59.20 | valdyn | TheSarge: you can verify by reading /boot/grub/menu.cfg later after update-grub was run |
| 20:59.51 | TheSarge | valdyn: so it should be like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=opt1,opt2,op3 or spaces? |
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| 21:00.51 | valdyn | TheSarge: same way a kernel command line separates options |
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| 21:00.54 | valdyn | TheSarge: thats spaces |
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| 21:01.06 | valdyn | TheSarge: this is the kernel command line... |
| 21:01.21 | TheSarge | valdyn: Okay thanks so much, and is there a space needed after = ? |
| 21:01.27 | valdyn | TheSarge: not the complete one however as root=whatever is autodetected |
| 21:01.36 | valdyn | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="rootfstype=ext4 resume=/dev/mapper/system-swap" |
| 21:01.51 | valdyn | TheSarge: that enough? |
| 21:02.11 | TheSarge | valdyn: Yes sorry I should have read up on Kernel Command Lines first. |
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| 21:03.04 | TheSarge | I ws just confused cause I dont see multiple enteries there... like the single user entry, or the normal options like ro and quiet. |
| 21:03.44 | valdyn | TheSarge: some are added already by the scripts in /etc/grub.d/ |
| 21:04.25 | TheSarge | huh? Wow maybe I need to be using old grub this is way to complicated to configure. |
| 21:04.37 | valdyn | TheSarge: this is way easier |
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| 21:04.47 | TheSarge | Like how do I edit my single user entry? |
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| 21:04.57 | valdyn | TheSarge: oh |
| 21:05.13 | valdyn | TheSarge: well, you couldnt do that in old grub either, not properly |
| 21:05.21 | TheSarge | how do I take out quiet and ro if I want to? |
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| 21:05.31 | valdyn | TheSarge: i dont know whats added automatically |
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| 21:05.39 | valdyn | TheSarge: maybe quiet isnt |
| 21:05.42 | TheSarge | valdyn: Yes I could, it was right there in the menu.lst as my second entry... |
| 21:05.57 | elvirolo | hi |
| 21:06.05 | valdyn | TheSarge: by skipping update-grub? |
| 21:06.09 | TheSarge | Where are the other entries for my other Operating systems? |
| 21:06.20 | valdyn | TheSarge: /etc/grub.d |
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| 21:06.24 | TheSarge | How do I edit those? |
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| 21:06.48 | poisonbit | in old grub you have # alternative= |
| 21:06.48 | poisonbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.51 | TheSarge | How was having one centralized file not easier lol? |
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| 21:07.04 | elvirolo | i'd like to use ext4 on my sid box, but i'd like to reformat my partitions (so that not only new files get the ext4 attributes |
| 21:07.22 | TheSarge | I never used those, I just edited the second entry marked single user mode, I added and removed any kernel option I wanted.. |
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| 21:07.45 | TheSarge | Ya I want to go back to old grub this is way to confusing for me. |
| 21:07.55 | valdyn | TheSarge: you are free to use custom entries in /etc/grub.d, circumventing any automagic |
| 21:08.04 | valdyn | TheSarge: then install old grub |
| 21:08.27 | TheSarge | I mean right now, I don't even know how to remove the quiet kernel option... or the ro option.. How to create entries, edit entries.. etc.. |
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| 21:09.05 | Agent_bob | i made the mistake of updating lenny without making a backup of the kernel/initrd pair first and now have a "boot to busybox shell" :( |
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| 21:09.26 | TheSarge | is this /etc/default/grub just one entry, the first (default) entry and all the others are located in /etc/grub.d? |
| 21:09.42 | Agent_bob | here are the messages http://pastebin.com/f7a07692c |
| 21:09.57 | valdyn | TheSarge: /etc/default/grub is used to generate entries for all kernel debian files that you have installed |
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| 21:10.06 | valdyn | TheSarge: /etc/default/grub is used to generate entries for all kernel debian *packages* that you have installed |
| 21:10.23 | Agent_bob | but .... i can manually mount /dev/sda on /root without error anyone know what might be up with that ? |
| 21:10.23 | TheSarge | Or is this like a global file that will pass option I put in it to any entry? |
| 21:10.55 | poisonbit | Agent_bob, may be sda...1 ? |
| 21:10.55 | TheSarge | debian packages? |
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| 21:11.10 | valdyn | TheSarge: debian kernels ship in debian packages |
| 21:11.11 | Agent_bob | poisonbit no. /dev/sda is the root fs. |
| 21:11.43 | valdyn | TheSarge: read the docs please if you want to modify this |
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| 21:12.14 | poisonbit | Agent_bob, a disk device without partition number? |
| 21:12.25 | TheSarge | I just want to be able to edit my different boot entries, I had a default one, which was just my debian 5 kernel with ro and quiet besing passed. Then I had a single user entry, then I had a FreeBSD Entry, then i had a windows Entry... |
| 21:12.41 | Agent_bob | poisonbit yes no partitions. and no changes to grub.cfg just over-wrote the initramfs.img-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 21:12.58 | justin | TheSarge: have you never seen a .d directory before? |
| 21:13.11 | bzlbb | I'd like to download debian, and on the mirror I am looking at I see dvd isos 1-5 , I am not sure what to download (i'd like the 64 bit version) |
| 21:13.16 | TheSarge | valdyn: But I thought it was simplier than grub1? To me it is way more complicated, I mean grub1 configuration could be easily explained in 2 sentences... |
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| 21:13.31 | Eulex | bzlbb, do you really need all the dvd isos? |
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| 21:13.38 | bzlbb | i hope not |
| 21:13.45 | valdyn | TheSarge: grub2 config is self explaining and theres a README in /etc/grub.d |
| 21:13.51 | bzlbb | thats why i am asking, what i should download |
| 21:13.57 | TheSarge | I am reading that now |
| 21:14.05 | TheSarge | It makes absolutely no sense to me. |
| 21:14.06 | Eulex | bzlbb, also, there are several 64-bit versions of debian, you should probably get the amd64 one if you have no reason to get another one. |
| 21:14.11 | valdyn | TheSarge: this is a matter of taste though, and obviously you already know grub1, so SURE it seems easier first |
| 21:14.13 | bzlbb | yes |
| 21:14.47 | bzlbb | Eulex: I found this page. http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/debian-cd/5.0.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:14.50 | Eulex | bzlbb, does the box have a wired network card or a supported wireless network card? get the netinst if so |
| 21:15.07 | TheSarge | valdyn: Well grub1 was like, look at this one file, understand how it works, then edit and save it. Took about 2 minutes to master. |
| 21:15.12 | bzlbb | yes it has a wired card |
| 21:15.21 | Eulex | bzlbb, the net installer will bring a base system with it, but downloads the rest |
| 21:15.33 | valdyn | TheSarge: and you already did it the wrong way be editing boot entries directly |
| 21:15.34 | Agent_bob | poisonbit i chrooted into the system and rebuilt the initramfs.img but no change, it still fails to mount the rootfs automaticly. anyone have suggestions ? |
| 21:15.35 | bzlbb | ok. sounds good. thanks |
| 21:16.24 | poisonbit | bzlbb, 5.0.1 is out http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:16.25 | TheSarge | valdyn: how is that the wrong way? I have read tens of howto pages that tell you to pass kernel options in your menu.lst? |
| 21:16.39 | valdyn | TheSarge: menu.lst entries are autogenerated |
| 21:16.45 | valdyn | TheSarge: you dont edit them at all |
| 21:16.58 | poisonbit | Agent_bob, by you pastebin... /dev/sda exists... so... /root doesn't exists for "mount" ? |
| 21:17.06 | TheSarge | Everyone edits them, how else would you pass kernel options? |
| 21:17.14 | valdyn | TheSarge: you edit lines like: # altoptions=(single-user mode) single |
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| 21:17.30 | valdyn | TheSarge: or # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 21:17.37 | Agent_bob | poisonbit but all i have to input is "mount /dev/sda /root" and it mounts just fine. ??? |
| 21:17.44 | TheSarge | Howcome after all of the reading I have done on TLDP.org I have never once been directed to do that? |
| 21:17.55 | valdyn | TheSarge: coincidence and luck that you got along as you did this completely wrong |
| 21:18.17 | valdyn | TheSarge: tldp.org is not and does not document debian |
| 21:18.21 | valdyn | TheSarge: debian documents debian |
| 21:18.22 | TheSarge | Everyone passes kernel options using the menu.lst |
| 21:18.35 | poisonbit | valdyn, TheSarge i edit bootloader: no timeout, crypt password, and only one option (this is my setup on servers) |
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| 21:19.01 | valdyn | poisonbit: what does that have to do with anything? |
| 21:19.11 | abrotman | confusion |
| 21:19.37 | valdyn | poisonbit: im well aware how to properly circumvent debians menu.lst management, TheSarge is not, maybe you are not |
| 21:19.38 | TheSarge | I have been told in this room, when I asked how to make my console font smaller, to edit menu.lst to add the vga=XX option... |
| 21:19.47 | bzlbb | poisonbit and Eulex thanks :) |
| 21:20.04 | poisonbit | valdyn, maybe yes, i've only used grub (0.X) |
| 21:20.20 | TheSarge | Well maybe thats the proper way, but 95% of users just edit the menu.lst, I garuntee it. |
| 21:20.23 | stew | TheSarge: yes, but make sure not the edit the kernel lines themselves, edit the #kopt= lines (see the comments surrounding those lines) |
| 21:20.25 | Agent_bob | grub 2 for the win |
| 21:20.40 | stew | TheSarge: you should never touch anything in the "AUTOMAGIC" section |
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| 21:21.04 | TheSarge | stew: Thats where my default entry for debian is... |
| 21:21.20 | TheSarge | How else would I pass a kernel option to it? |
| 21:21.35 | stew | TheSarge: yes, but you don't edit the entry, you edit the #kopt= line and run update-grub and it changes the entry |
| 21:21.51 | TheSarge | Okay I will find you official debian documentaion that says to edit those entries by hand, to pass kernel options |
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| 21:22.08 | poisonbit | if not, every time you upgrade your system, changes are overwrited |
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| 21:22.33 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | << hugs abrotman |
| 21:22.34 | TheSarge | I have never seen #kopt= in my lefe.. where is that? |
| 21:22.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | xD |
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| 21:22.43 | dondelelcaro | TheSarge: in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:22.44 | stew | TheSarge: in menu.lst |
| 21:22.48 | abrotman | in the menu.lst yu claim you were directed to |
| 21:22.52 | Agent_bob | but anyway. how do i get a working initrd ??? |
| 21:23.22 | poisonbit | Agent_bob, dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-blabla |
| 21:23.36 | Agent_bob | poisonbit wish it was that simple |
| 21:23.49 | Agent_bob | that's the first thing i tried |
| 21:23.49 | poisonbit | (if everithing else is ok) |
| 21:24.15 | Agent_bob | errr ummm define "ok" ? |
| 21:24.18 | poisonbit | see /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
| 21:24.26 | TheSarge | Okay well i will start doing that, as soon as I figure out howto revert back to grub1 |
| 21:24.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman will using testing basically with a mix of unstable packages when needed be a good solution to have a up to date but stable box? |
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| 21:24.56 | Agent_bob | TheSarge why revert ? grub2 issues ? |
| 21:24.58 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: likely not, but depends on your definition of stable |
| 21:25.01 | TheSarge | because I have read the man pages and the readme and still have no clue howto configure grub2 |
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| 21:25.26 | TheSarge | I want one central file to edit like menu.lst |
| 21:25.29 | Agent_bob | TheSarge you edit the control file in /etc/defaults/ |
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| 21:25.52 | HisMajesty | linux evangelism stops when someone uses a linux machine to attack a non windows user. |
| 21:25.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | my definition of stable is having leading edge "not bleeding edge" packages without any broken packages and dependencies |
| 21:26.06 | HisMajesty | you are not allowed to disagree. |
| 21:26.09 | stew | TheSarge: sorry, i don't know anything about grub2, if you are using grub2, what I said about kopt= might be incorrect |
| 21:26.14 | abrotman | HisMajesty: i think you're in the wrong channel |
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| 21:26.41 | TheSarge | Agent_bob: Yes multiple files right? /etc/default/grub or files in /etc/grub.d, or files in /etc/defaults? |
| 21:27.19 | Nikke | where do i get the rxvt-unicode-256color ?? |
| 21:27.20 | TheSarge | stew its okay I am reverting, because it is way more complicated to configure.. and I have read all the documentation. |
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| 21:27.49 | justin | TheSarge: maybe once you'll done you can run find / -type f | xargs cat > /file |
| 21:27.56 | justin | TheSarge: if having more than one file confuses you so much :-P |
| 21:27.58 | HisMajesty | abrotman, just know that you are not allowed to disagree with that. I'll let you figure out which one of your users in this channel is elsewhere causeing trouble. easy to understand. |
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| 21:28.04 | valdyn | sh4d3sl4y3r_: its workable, but you need to know debian package management well |
| 21:28.09 | justin | er, >> :) |
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| 21:28.21 | TheSarge | justin: have you tried grub2? |
| 21:28.26 | stew | HisMajesty: I've silenced you here for now. it deosn't seem that you have anything debian related to discuss |
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| 21:28.43 | justin | TheSarge: nope, but I don't think splitting up one file into 2 is the end of the world |
| 21:28.54 | TheSarge | its not 2 |
| 21:29.11 | TheSarge | its one for kernel parms, one for this entry, one for that entry, etc... |
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| 21:29.27 | justin | TheSarge: menu.lst is currently one big file of which you are NOT SUPPOSED TO TOUCH 90% of it |
| 21:29.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm i don't know debian package management that well. wil get into deep now. college semesters over |
| 21:29.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | so have time to get into it deep |
| 21:29.43 | justin | TheSarge: moving the parts you are supposed to touch into another file makes perfect sense |
| 21:29.58 | TheSarge | From what I understand /etc/default/grub is some sort of parent config file for the files in /etc/grub.d |
| 21:30.05 | Brack10 | if I do a netinst without downloading from the mirror, how basic will my OS install be? |
| 21:30.11 | eldowan | when using aptitude search, where can I find what the first set of characters mean, like id and iB when infront of a pakckage name? |
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| 21:30.17 | justin | TheSarge: so? |
| 21:30.21 | TheSarge | justin: there is more than one file you are supposed to touch now |
| 21:30.26 | justin | TheSarge: like what? |
| 21:30.29 | valdyn | TheSarge: no |
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| 21:30.41 | TheSarge | a different file for each boot entry... |
| 21:30.48 | justin | sighs |
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| 21:31.02 | poisonbit | Brack10, base system is equal, instal the way you install |
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| 21:31.12 | TheSarge | valdyn: So you are saying there isnt a different file for each boot entry? |
| 21:31.20 | justin | TheSarge: the fact is that your grub1 config was totally broken because you were editing the automatically generated parts |
| 21:31.24 | valdyn | TheSarge: you *can* do fancy stuff by editing /etc/grub.d/*, you dont need to and youre not supposed to |
| 21:31.29 | Brack10 | will I have the tools to troubleshoot my nework connection? |
| 21:31.38 | Brack10 | on base install |
| 21:31.44 | valdyn | TheSarge: except to activate your windows boot for instance, and that one is trivial |
| 21:31.47 | TheSarge | justin: it was never broken, lol not once, I never used grub-update because it was useless. |
| 21:31.48 | justin | Brack10: most of em |
| 21:32.02 | Brack10 | well here goes nothing |
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| 21:32.11 | poisonbit | Brack10, you will have a base install, like from dvd |
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| 21:32.31 | justin | TheSarge: ok.. it was never broken, except for the part about it being broken... |
| 21:32.42 | Brack10 | no I'm doing a netinstall without a working network connection |
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| 21:32.59 | Brack10 | apparently lenny doesn't like my nic |
| 21:33.24 | TheSarge | valdyn: Okay so all this talking about it, and reading all the documentation, and I still have no clue how to add my FreeBSD entry, how to edit my main Debian entry to add a vga= option... |
| 21:33.34 | poisonbit | Brack10, outch |
| 21:33.37 | valdyn | TheSarge: you didnt read the docs |
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| 21:33.47 | valdyn | TheSarge: you didnt ready the freebsd boot file |
| 21:33.48 | TheSarge | justin: how was it broken? It booted what I told it to, how I told it to? That seems pretty working to me. |
| 21:33.57 | valdyn | !whine |
| 21:33.57 | dpkg | [whine] saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 21:34.03 | valdyn | !rtfm TheSarge |
| 21:34.04 | dpkg | gives TheSarge a first edition of the friendly info file and forces TheSarge to ingest it absolutely. |
| 21:34.09 | Brack10 | RTFMs |
| 21:34.16 | TheSarge | valdyn: I did read the readme and also the man grub |
| 21:34.19 | justin | TheSarge: i've never used grub2, but I would imagine you put the few lines you need for freebsd into a new file in the new .d directory |
| 21:34.35 | justin | TheSarge: and for vga=, you edit the default paramaters that are likely in /etc/default/grub |
| 21:34.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | errr. i used grub2 once, didn't like it |
| 21:34.43 | valdyn | justin: or just modify the existing freebsd file slightly |
| 21:34.44 | justin | but i've never used grub2, so what do I know |
| 21:34.59 | TheSarge | there is no freeBSD file |
| 21:35.18 | justin | TheSarge: sigh |
| 21:35.19 | valdyn | TheSarge: omg, its 20_freebsd? |
| 21:35.23 | TheSarge | and I just want the vga mode for that one entrry not for all the entries... |
| 21:35.35 | TheSarge | valdyn: doesnt exist. |
| 21:36.21 | TheSarge | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Ya it is a joke really, I don't see why they took something so simple and just complicated the hell out of it. |
| 21:36.24 | valdyn | TheSarge: are you trying to troll ? is ls /etc/grub.d./ HARD ? |
| 21:36.47 | TheSarge | valdyn: a I said it ISNT there! |
| 21:37.05 | valdyn | TheSarge: its there on my system as /etc/grub.d/10_freebsd |
| 21:37.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i just love the traditional linux , don't really want any more customizations or modifications. but. development never stops |
| 21:37.18 | TheSarge | well I wish i was using your system |
| 21:37.23 | justin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: traditional linux? |
| 21:37.30 | TheSarge | Ya working Linux |
| 21:37.36 | abrotman | os_prober ? |
| 21:37.39 | justin | maybe you should go back to using LILO then |
| 21:37.46 | keith4 | mmmm, lilo |
| 21:37.49 | valdyn | TheSarge: maybe you alredy purged grub-pc by now |
| 21:37.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | LILO sucks |
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| 21:37.59 | justin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: LILO is "traditional linux" |
| 21:38.06 | keith4 | could be worse. it could be SILO |
| 21:38.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | the time i started with linux. grub was the standard |
| 21:38.15 | TheSarge | Sure at lest lilo was easy to configure, oh no you had to reinstall it when you changed something... big whoop how hard is that? |
| 21:38.28 | justin | heh, I used to always have to cross my fingers everytime I rebooted my sparc |
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| 21:39.02 | valdyn | TheSarge: no one is forcing you to use grub2 |
| 21:39.20 | poisonbit | cool point |
| 21:39.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but i guess grub2 will be the standard in the near future, so better getting a grip of it now will be a good idea |
| 21:39.33 | TheSarge | valdyn: So your telling me if I want vga= I have to pass it to every entry, cant just pass it to one? |
| 21:39.47 | valdyn | TheSarge: where did I say that? |
| 21:40.05 | keith4 | did I miss something? why is he using grub2? |
| 21:40.10 | TheSarge | you said to put it in /etc/defoma/gru |
| 21:40.13 | TheSarge | grub |
| 21:40.14 | valdyn | keith4: by his mistake |
| 21:40.32 | TheSarge | lol by just letting a 100% automated install run |
| 21:40.44 | TheSarge | I don't see how thats my mistake but okay |
| 21:40.51 | keith4 | what sort of automated install resulted in grub2? |
| 21:41.24 | TheSarge | Just hitting install debian from cd 1 and selecting desktop |
| 21:41.41 | t1n | hi |
| 21:41.49 | keith4 | you must have some very strange disk layout or something, then |
| 21:41.57 | mythomaniac | has grub2 ever failed, for those using it, from an update or system upgrade? |
| 21:42.07 | keith4 | because i've accidentally ended up with lilo before, but never grub2 |
| 21:42.12 | valdyn | mythomaniac: its fragile |
| 21:42.30 | mythomaniac | valdyn, good to know then i will stay away from it ;) |
| 21:42.32 | valdyn | mythomaniac: its not at all reliable for some exotic configurations |
| 21:42.33 | TheSarge | I just want grub 1 back, How can I revert? |
| 21:42.58 | valdyn | mythomaniac: you dont need it either, except for configurations that are yet exotic |
| 21:43.19 | valdyn | mythomaniac: like booting raids directly or lvm without common partitions |
| 21:43.23 | keith4 | when would you need it? some non-standard BIOS? EFI? |
| 21:43.31 | eldowan | I've an etch system with many broken packages. other than aptitude -f, is there a safe way to resolve these broken packages? |
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| 21:43.44 | mythomaniac | valdyn, ah |
| 21:43.44 | stew | TheSarge: /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz tells you how to install grub |
| 21:43.57 | valdyn | keith4: i have everything on lvm, that needs grub2 |
| 21:44.10 | pickcoder | it was so much simpler when there was one desktop and one boot loader |
| 21:44.15 | TheSarge | stew: I know howto insyall grub, how do I get rid of grub2? |
| 21:44.15 | drwn | I have a trouble with squirrelmail |
| 21:44.17 | keith4 | valdyn: that used to result in lilo, i think |
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| 21:44.26 | justin | pickcoder: when was there one desktop? |
| 21:44.28 | TheSarge | install |
| 21:44.34 | stew | TheSarge: aptitude remove packagename |
| 21:44.36 | keith4 | valdyn: i guess grub2 is a step up from lilo, though |
| 21:44.38 | pickcoder | when Xfree86 came out? |
| 21:44.48 | justin | pickcoder: nice try |
| 21:44.53 | poisonbit | lol |
| 21:45.00 | valdyn | keith4: lilo cant really boot lvm |
| 21:45.02 | drwn | not show nothing after login |
| 21:45.08 | pickcoder | justin: ? |
| 21:45.16 | pickcoder | there were multiple window managers? |
| 21:45.18 | valdyn | keith4: it can work with lvm by using assumptions that only work usually |
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| 21:45.32 | justin | valdyn: oh? my machines that use lvm since sarge all have lilo on em |
| 21:45.39 | valdyn | keith4: while grub2 can really read files from lvm on raid |
| 21:45.41 | poisonbit | drwn, and webserver log/errorlog ? |
| 21:45.49 | valdyn | justin: didnt i just say that that works? |
| 21:45.51 | keith4 | valdyn: ah, good to know |
| 21:45.56 | justin | pickcoder: there have always been multiple window managers |
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| 21:46.10 | justin | valdyn: "valdyn> keith4: lilo cant really boot lvm" |
| 21:46.21 | keith4 | he meant "boot" |
| 21:46.26 | poisonbit | valdyn, lvm or lvm2 ? </joke> |
| 21:46.26 | keith4 | or *really* |
| 21:46.35 | drwn | I get a error in mail.log |
| 21:46.40 | justin | i guess I dont know the difference between 'booting' and 'really booting' |
| 21:46.43 | drwn | is mean logout |
| 21:46.45 | valdyn | justin: try moving the logical volume /boot is on and boot again |
| 21:47.33 | t1n | anyone use qemu and can i do solve my mouse poiting problem ? |
| 21:47.36 | valdyn | justin: or dont, that wouldnt boot, unless you reinstall lilo |
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| 21:48.24 | TheSarge | stew: I did aptitude remove grub2 && aptitude install grub, and i still have no menu.lst and a /boot/grub full of .mod's |
| 21:48.49 | valdyn | justin: i meant that lilo can read kernels from lvm volumes by relying on things to be fixed that are fixed on your system, but not on lvm in general |
| 21:48.58 | poisonbit | TheSarge, may be the grub-common package ? |
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| 21:49.08 | justin | valdyn: ah.. well, lilo does that for everything, doesn't it? |
| 21:49.15 | valdyn | justin: yea |
| 21:49.27 | stew | TheSarge: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz for instructions on installing grub |
| 21:49.45 | keith4 | Theoden: "grub2" is a dummy package |
| 21:49.46 | smacnay | Is there a "security" repo for sid? |
| 21:49.57 | poisonbit | t1n, try export SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0 && qemu blablabla |
| 21:50.00 | stew | smacnay: no |
| 21:50.12 | mythomaniac | only testing down |
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| 21:51.42 | TheSarge | Stew I would but my /usr/share/doc/grub/ only contains one thing and its an examples dir |
| 21:52.10 | stew | TheSarge: "aptitude reinstall grub" then, something must have removed the documentation |
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| 21:52.58 | TheSarge | stew I just did that, could it be in /usr/share/doc/grub-common/ |
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| 21:53.15 | stew | TheSarge: no, its in /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 21:53.36 | stew | TheSarge: what version of the grub package to you have installed? |
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| 21:53.44 | TheSarge | Okay then i guess I have a tainted install... |
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| 21:54.08 | stew | TheSarge: what version? |
| 21:54.26 | TheSarge | I don't know, which grub doesnt seem to be working |
| 21:54.31 | Agent_bob | ok i'm back. but still can't boot past the initramfs image http://pastebin.com/f70712459 |
| 21:54.58 | stew | TheSarge: what version of the "grub" package do you currently have installed? |
| 21:55.09 | stew | TheSarge: which version of debian are you running? |
| 21:55.15 | TheSarge | Debian 5 |
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| 21:55.41 | stew | TheSarge: so http://packages.debian.org/stable/i386/grub/filelist says that you should definately have /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz after a "aptitude reinstall grub" |
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| 21:56.10 | TheSarge | stew: would you like to ssh into my system, or what do I have to do? |
| 21:56.18 | TheSarge | it is not there |
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| 21:56.29 | Brack10 | when I cat /proc/pci....it says no such file or directory...is that bad? |
| 21:56.32 | stew | TheSarge: can you show me the output of "apt-cache policy grub" ? |
| 21:56.45 | justin | Brack10: lspci |
| 21:57.06 | TheSarge | Installed: 0.97-47lenny2 Candidate: 0.97-47lenny2 |
| 21:57.09 | smacnay | I think I am going to jump to sid - testing seems to have so many packages that are so old and not working with some newer updates. |
| 21:57.11 | hacker_kid | i just found and installed a driver for my graphics card. the dpkg-reconfigure wizard for xserver-xorg no long has screens to change the driver. could someone point me to a document on configuring xorg.conf directly (or another wizard) |
| 21:57.41 | TheSarge | 0.97-47lenny2 0 500 http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu lenny/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 21:57.48 | Brack10 | justin: yea not there...does that mean no PCI devices detected? |
| 21:58.33 | drwn | help with squirrelmail |
| 21:58.53 | drwn | and courier |
| 21:58.59 | Agent_bob | can anyone point me in the right dirrection for getting past "busybox" at boot time ? when i faced the same issues with "ubuntu", after mounting the rootfs i could just "exit" and it would continue booting normally, but with debian it kernel panics |
| 21:59.00 | Brack10 | is there a command to make the compuer beep? |
| 21:59.13 | Brack10 | in morse code? |
| 21:59.15 | TheSarge | stew ^ |
| 21:59.57 | stew | TheSarge: are you sure you ran "aptitude reinstall grub" and not "aptitude install grub"? |
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| 22:00.50 | poisonbit | Brack10, /proc/pci doesn't exists, lspci is on the pciutils package, and for beeping use "beep" or echo -e "\a" |
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| 22:01.09 | hacker_kid | the driver i need for my graphics card was in the package nvidia-glx, so would the "Driver" field of my xorg.conf be "nvidia-glx" ? |
| 22:01.47 | poisonbit | Brack10, (and beep program is in the "beep" package) |
| 22:01.54 | TheSarge | stew: 100% I just ran it again to be even more sure |
| 22:02.06 | stew | TheSarge: is debsums installed? |
| 22:02.28 | TheSarge | stew its not in my path |
| 22:03.02 | stew | TheSarge: can you install debsums, and then put the output of "debsums grub" into a pastebin? |
| 22:03.09 | TheSarge | yes |
| 22:04.07 | TheSarge | stew will debsums grub > file.foo work? |
| 22:04.35 | stew | TheSarge: yes |
| 22:04.43 | Agent_bob | or even. debsums grub | pastebinit |
| 22:04.55 | Brack10 | echo -e "\a" doesn't seem to work |
| 22:04.57 | poisonbit | debsums grub 2>&1 > file would also take the error output |
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| 22:05.18 | poisonbit | Brack10, do you have pcspkr module loaded in the kernel ? |
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| 22:05.31 | TheSarge | Agent_bob: wow I didnt know it worked like that sweet thanks |
| 22:05.31 | Pikachu320 | hello |
| 22:05.45 | TheSarge | stew http://pastebin.com/f5441d717 |
| 22:06.03 | Agent_bob | TheSarge welcome. |
| 22:06.18 | Brack10 | it worked on my PowerMac, but not this box.... |
| 22:06.21 | Brack10 | let's see |
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| 22:06.22 | stew | TheSarge: yeah, so the documentation that you said doesn't exist, is clearly there |
| 22:06.48 | TheSarge | Agent_bob: but I just tested it and pastebinit complained it needed a file to be specified |
| 22:06.57 | stew | TheSarge: that paste shows that the documentataion that I'm pointing to exists, and hasn't been changed since it was last installed |
| 22:06.59 | Brack10 | pcspkr is loaded |
| 22:07.21 | Brack10 | poisonbit: |
| 22:07.40 | Agent_bob | TheSarge version of the script matters, i suspect. sorry yours doesn't work like mine. |
| 22:07.50 | TheSarge | stew I will pastebin you an ls or you can ssh in if you would like |
| 22:07.54 | poisonbit | Brack10, and echo -e "\a" doesn't work? xterm? try in a tty |
| 22:08.18 | stew | TheSarge: no need to, i'm positive that the file exists |
| 22:08.23 | poisonbit | Brack10, see also the setterm manpage for -blength and -bfreq |
| 22:08.29 | Brack10 | poisonbit: virtual console |
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| 22:09.02 | Brack10 | I remember in BASIC you could create music with your PC speaker |
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| 22:09.15 | Brack10 | can you do that with a shell script? |
| 22:09.19 | Brack10 | just out of curiosity |
| 22:09.27 | eldowan | Brack10: I remember that too. fun times |
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| 22:10.04 | poisonbit | Brack10, maybe you have: set bell-style visible in .bashrc ? |
| 22:10.04 | TheSarge | stew: well unfortunetly me running cat /usr/share/doc/grub/R and pressing tab does nothing, so how can I read it? |
| 22:10.06 | Agent_bob | so. nobody has a clue*4 for me? |
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| 22:11.03 | poisonbit | Brack10, setterm -blength and -bfreq will change frequency and duration, for more, see the "beep" package |
| 22:11.14 | Brack10 | ok |
| 22:11.14 | stew | TheSarge: zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 22:11.17 | TheSarge | or cd /usr/share/doc/grub and then ls returns one item a dir called examples |
| 22:11.33 | TheSarge | stew blank file |
| 22:11.43 | TheSarge | well using gedit |
| 22:11.49 | poisonbit | use vi |
| 22:11.56 | Brack10 | where's .bashrc? |
| 22:12.01 | TheSarge | I use nano to edit, but I am only reading |
| 22:12.07 | eldowan | Brack10: ~/ |
| 22:12.18 | poisonbit | vi supports .gz like zless |
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| 22:12.34 | TheSarge | omg the file doesnt exist on my box I can read an ls, is it availible online stew? |
| 22:12.40 | Agent_bob | zless for the win. |
| 22:12.41 | poisonbit | if you only want to read, use view |
| 22:12.56 | TheSarge | I use cat to read |
| 22:13.04 | stew | TheSarge: you can't use cat to read a gzipped file |
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| 22:13.13 | Agent_bob | zcat |
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| 22:13.22 | TheSarge | either way its not there, can i read it online? |
| 22:13.24 | stew | TheSarge: and the file must exist on your box, or else debsums wouldn't have said that the md5 matched |
| 22:13.35 | stew | TheSarge: if its not there, then your system if VERY broken in a very mysterious way |
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| 22:13.52 | stew | TheSarge: like it means that somehow, debsums was tricked |
| 22:13.57 | stew | TheSarge: which i have a hard time believing |
| 22:13.58 | TheSarge | stew: why does ls in /usr/share/doc/grub only show a single dir called examples then? |
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| 22:14.18 | poisonbit | ls aliased ? |
| 22:14.18 | TheSarge | I will make an account for you to ssh in on |
| 22:14.28 | TheSarge | even ls -a |
| 22:14.36 | TheSarge | only shows /examples |
| 22:14.50 | stew | TheSarge: did you try the zless command i gave you? |
| 22:14.52 | poisonbit | and debsums see the file ? |
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| 22:14.56 | stew | poisonbit: yes |
| 22:14.57 | Pikachu320 | someone has über skillz with bind9 and subzones? |
| 22:15.01 | stew | poisonbit: http://pastebin.com/f5441d717 |
| 22:15.06 | seria-mau | can i get involved (how?) with packaging gnome somehow? http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/ wasn't very helpful |
| 22:15.17 | TheSarge | stew: the autocomplete stops working after /grub/R |
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| 22:15.42 | stew | TheSarge: then perhaps your autocomplete is broken |
| 22:15.51 | TheSarge | and my ls-a |
| 22:15.55 | TheSarge | ls and ls -a |
| 22:16.33 | Agent_bob | can anyone shed any light on pastebinit v0.9 |
| 22:16.40 | Agent_bob | oops |
| 22:16.43 | eldowan | TheSarge: for grins, can you do a find for the filename and the pipe it through grep to limit results to grub? |
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| 22:17.07 | TheSarge | sure |
| 22:17.15 | Agent_bob | can anyone shed any light on http://pastebin.com/f70712459 ? |
| 22:17.35 | stew | TheSarge: what does "stat /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz" return? |
| 22:17.41 | stew | TheSarge: can you pastebin the output? |
| 22:18.01 | Brack10 | where can I learn how to troubleshoot network driver issues? it's configured properly. |
| 22:18.02 | SQlvpapir | hmm I mounted my debian / to /root/debian but chroot gets me nowhere. when I issue chroot /root/debian /bin/bash it says no such file or directory. any tips? |
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| 22:18.25 | TheSarge | stew hold on Im doing what eldowan asked |
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| 22:18.57 | TheSarge | Beefix:/usr/share/doc/grub# find README.Debian.gz | grep grub |
| 22:18.57 | TheSarge | Beefix:/usr/share/doc/grub# |
| 22:18.58 | Agent_bob | SQlvpapir mount | grep /root/debian |
| 22:18.59 | TheSarge | Beefix:/usr/share/doc/grub# find README.Debian.gz | grep grub |
| 22:19.00 | TheSarge | Beefix:/usr/share/doc/grub# |
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| 22:19.05 | poisonbit | SQlvpapir, ls /root/debian/bin/bash from outside the chroot ? |
| 22:19.30 | stew | TheSarge: "find README.Debian.gz | grep grub" should return nothing since "README.Debian.gz" doesn't contain the string "grub" |
| 22:19.31 | TheSarge | eldowan: like that? |
| 22:19.35 | stew | no |
| 22:19.55 | TheSarge | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.59 | TheSarge | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.12 | eldowan | TheSarge: I was thinking more searching the entire system, but I'm not familiar with find. I'd probably follow stew's instructions |
| 22:20.19 | TheSarge | pipe it through grep to limit results to grub? |
| 22:20.26 | SQlvpapir | poisonbit: its properly mounted and bin/bash exists |
| 22:20.41 | TheSarge | Will someone just tell me where I can read this file online? |
| 22:20.42 | stew | it would be silly to search the entire hard drive that we A) know exactly where it exists and B) know exists |
| 22:20.50 | SQlvpapir | poisonbit: woups now I get "Exec format error" |
| 22:21.15 | stew | TheSarge: well, here's my concern, if the file is there, and you cannot read it, its an indication that something is VERY WRONG and perhaps could explain other problems you are having |
| 22:21.21 | stew | TheSarge: like why files are missing from /boot/grub |
| 22:21.23 | SQlvpapir | hmm I think the livecd booted with 32bit kernel.. will make sure its 64bit |
| 22:21.31 | stew | TheSarge: since the file is on your hard drive, there should be no reason to read it online |
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| 22:22.36 | Agent_bob | TheSarge use something like "mc" and go into the grub package in your cache dir... /var/cache/apt/archives/grub*... |
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| 22:23.28 | Agent_bob | TheSarge seeing that you and stew can't agree on whether the file is in the proper dir or not, just fetch the file from within the package... |
| 22:23.36 | Pikachu320 | still nobody for a "stupid" bind9 question ? |
| 22:23.56 | mib_xucrmq | why linux-image-amd64 doesn't depend on linux-image-2.6.29.1 but on 2.6.26.2? |
| 22:24.11 | stew | Agent_bob: he did, and we verified for sure that he did by running debsums which opens the file, calculates the md5 of the file and compares it against the one from the package it was isntalled from |
| 22:24.37 | EmleyMoor | mib_xucrmq: Which release are you referring to? |
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| 22:25.05 | TheSarge | stew: Beefix:/usr/share/doc/grub# stat /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 22:25.06 | TheSarge | stat: cannot stat `/usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz': No such file or directory |
| 22:25.23 | mib_xucrmq | sid |
| 22:25.56 | stew | TheSarge: then this is either not the system you ran debsums on, or either your hardware or youd debian install is VERY broken |
| 22:26.06 | TheSarge | okay? |
| 22:26.25 | TheSarge | I just googled the file I am just going to read it online |
| 22:26.31 | Agent_bob | suggests grub2 anyway. |
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| 22:28.00 | TheSarge | Oh and btw it was in grub-common the whole time lol |
| 22:28.06 | TheSarge | I just found it |
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| 22:29.05 | Agent_bob | solid_liq: when i get dropped into a busybox shell. i "mount /dev/sda /root" even do an "ls /root" to verify that it's mounted, then "exit" does this http://pastebin.com/f70712459 ? |
| 22:29.27 | Agent_bob | sorry solid_liq auto complete failed. |
| 22:29.30 | stew | TheSarge: its in grub, see the output of "debsums grub" |
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| 22:31.01 | TheSarge | stew: lol okay but I showed you the stat output right and ls? |
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| 22:31.24 | TheSarge | want the ls and stat outs for grub-common? |
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| 22:32.09 | TheSarge | anyways that file doesnt even show me why my /boot/grub is full of .mod's |
| 22:32.09 | stew | TheSarge: if you think you ran all of those commands correctly, then something is very broken, so you shouldn't trust this install until you figure out what |
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| 22:33.06 | abrotman | stew: i got onjoin spam from ICouldHaveGoneTo |
| 22:33.32 | solifugus | after selecting the SQL Database server option when installing Debian, what database does it install? |
| 22:33.59 | poisonbit | mysql ? |
| 22:34.07 | TheSarge | oh crap, how do I undo all changes I made in vim and exit? |
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| 22:34.11 | poisonbit | don't know, i have never choose |
| 22:34.20 | SQlvpapir | poisonbit: success! if you come across the danish institute of technology I'll be glad to give a beer or two |
| 22:34.36 | EmleyMoor | TheSarge: Quit, dammit. (:q!) |
| 22:34.40 | stew | abrotman: gone, thanks |
| 22:34.46 | abrotman | stew: thank you |
| 22:34.54 | TheSarge | EmleyMoor: that will disregaurd all changes right? |
| 22:35.14 | EmleyMoor | TheSarge: Any since you last saved |
| 22:35.14 | poisonbit | SQlvpapir, i love beer, but it's cheaper to stay in spain |
| 22:35.36 | TheSarge | EmleyMoor: that is just inserting :q into the file |
| 22:35.54 | EmleyMoor | Ah... Escape then :q! |
| 22:36.07 | Pikachu320 | maybe he is using nano ;) |
| 22:36.08 | SQlvpapir | me gusta la cerveza ;-) |
| 22:36.33 | TheSarge | EmleyMoor: ahh now a red box comes up and says No Write since last change? |
| 22:36.46 | EmleyMoor | Did you remember the ! ? |
| 22:36.52 | TheSarge | lol no |
| 22:37.10 | TheSarge | EmleyMoor: Thanks. |
| 22:37.14 | Pikachu320 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.28 | Pikachu320 | Is someone ready for headaches with bind and subzones ? |
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| 22:39.44 | TheSarge | Okay i think I have my grub sorted out, thanks everyone. |
| 22:41.35 | TheSarge | except grub-install /dev/hdb is just hanging after Searching for GRUB installation directory.... found: /boot/grub hmm |
| 22:42.28 | poisonbit | Pikachu320, you should ask directly (don't ask for ask) or join to #dns |
| 22:42.37 | TheSarge | stew: I am following the readme, and it is just hanging? |
| 22:42.56 | Pikachu320 | oh thanks poisonbit |
| 22:43.07 | stew | TheSarge: sorry, i don't know what's going on with that box. it seems very broken |
| 22:43.43 | TheSarge | okay, so I can't get support here now? |
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| 22:45.40 | Brack10 | supposedly "beep" is in the debian repos but I can't apt-get install it. Says not found. I did apt-get update first. help? |
| 22:46.19 | eldowan | Brack10: I think upchannel it was mentioned that it might be in pci-utils or somesuch |
| 22:46.39 | Brack10 | eldowan: work on my other lenny box |
| 22:46.43 | Brack10 | it works rather |
| 22:47.09 | eldowan | Brack10: no guess then. sorry |
| 22:47.10 | abrotman | judd: versions beep |
| 22:47.12 | judd | abrotman: beep -- etch: 1.2.2-19 lenny: 1.2.2-22 squeeze: 1.2.2-22 sid: 1.2.2-23 |
| 22:47.40 | abrotman | Brack10: what happeens if you try to install it ? what do your sources.list say ? |
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| 22:48.58 | Brack10 | where's sources.list again? |
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| 22:49.02 | mic34 | hi |
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| 22:49.19 | poisonbit | Brack10, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:49.49 | Brack10 | oh the main mirror is missing |
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| 22:49.52 | Brack10 | since I setup without it |
| 22:49.53 | Brack10 | oops |
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| 22:50.20 | Brack10 | what's the deb line for the US mirror? |
| 22:50.22 | Schuenemann | hi |
| 22:50.24 | Brack10 | for lenny |
| 22:50.32 | poisonbit | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 22:50.48 | poisonbit | hi Schuenemann mic34 |
| 22:50.49 | macman_ | guys i want to excute a complicated command |
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| 22:51.02 | mic34 | i'm trying to install debian lenny with software RAID 0, sata drives, unsuccessfuly. I've setup the partitions as physical RAID ("/boot" md0, "swap" md1, "/" md2), but then after the installer won't install any boot loader, either grub or lilo do an error. any idea ? |
| 22:51.07 | Schuenemann | how can I stop the mysql server from starting automatically? |
| 22:51.14 | macman_ | i want to do a ls of all pdf's on an external and see the size of all the pdfs total .. is there a command for this ? |
| 22:51.20 | poisonbit | Schuenemann, update-rc.d -f mysql remove |
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| 22:51.43 | mic34 | I also tried to enable boot sector on the corresponding partitions, but it won't work |
| 22:51.50 | Schuenemann | poisonbit, shouldn't I do something like changing the script's first letter to uppercase or lowercase (something like that)? |
| 22:52.10 | xororand | Schuenemann: alternatively, you can install rcconf, an interactive (ncurses-based) tool for enabling and disabling services. |
| 22:53.02 | mic34 | so what do I miss ? i've set up the right partitions with the same size, the raid setup is going fine, but it fails with any boot loader installation |
| 22:53.09 | Schuenemann | xororand, if I remove it with update-rc.d, can I undo that later? |
| 22:53.10 | Brack10 | what's a good CLI text to speech program? |
| 22:53.13 | xororand | Schuenemann: yes |
| 22:53.38 | xororand | Brack10: festival is ok |
| 22:53.51 | mic34 | and the sata drivers are recognized, the installer is able to partition them |
| 22:54.31 | mic34 | why won't the debian install just go through the setup since all this raid setup is ok ??? |
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| 22:54.51 | Schuenemann | xororand, what is the option to undo that? |
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| 22:56.34 | poisonbit | mic34, have you read about fakeraid ? |
| 22:56.49 | poisonbit | mic34, do you have raid disabled on the machine BIOS ? |
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| 22:57.09 | poisonbit | Schuenemann, update-rc.d mysql defaults |
| 22:57.14 | mic34 | poisonbit: yes, i'm not using the embedded chipset fakeraid, i've set up the drives in bios as IDE |
| 22:57.31 | Schuenemann | thanks |
| 22:57.39 | mic34 | it just won't install the bootloader |
| 22:57.43 | mic34 | dunno why |
| 22:58.09 | refrijerator | hello, i am installing lenny using netinst, but it cannot detect my network card. I am pretty sure it needs the r8169 module, but if I modprobe it it fails to load. Any ideas? |
| 22:58.39 | mic34 | the system is installing fine appart from this, all is copied on the raid partitions so it can write on the disks |
| 22:58.43 | solifugus | when I installed debian using the sql database option, what database did it install? |
| 22:58.53 | refrijerator | is there an unstable netinst image, so I can try with a newer kernel? |
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| 22:59.52 | mic34 | I've tried 4 times using different configurations, like just one root partition, or splitting root and boot, but it's the same... |
| 23:00.03 | mic34 | :/ |
| 23:00.29 | mic34 | it seems that the included bootloaders don't like my raid 0 |
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| 23:01.01 | poisonbit | refrijerator, search for kmuto backported images, but they are 2un-oficial" |
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| 23:01.20 | mic34 | I have to point out that I did not create the raid using the bios utilities, i just set up the drives as normal drives, raid disabled in the bios, and trying to do normal software raid with it |
| 23:01.35 | mic34 | so what's wrong ? |
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| 23:01.53 | poisonbit | refrijerator, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:02.03 | refrijerator | thx will look at it |
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| 23:02.30 | poisonbit | mic34, is strange, it should work |
| 23:02.38 | mic34 | yeah... |
| 23:02.39 | poisonbit | mic34, using lvm over the raid ? |
| 23:02.43 | mic34 | nope |
| 23:02.57 | mic34 | just creating the physical raid volumes first |
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| 23:03.17 | mic34 | and then using the provided raid assistant to create the partitions |
| 23:03.37 | mic34 | all is ok, it installs the files on the partitions, so it can write on the raid |
| 23:03.55 | mic34 | but no boot loader, grub and lilo give me an error |
| 23:04.02 | mic34 | :( |
| 23:04.11 | poisonbit | using the lenny installer ? have you try grub2 ? |
| 23:04.26 | mic34 | i didn't see any grub2 ?? |
| 23:04.31 | mic34 | there is just grub or lilo |
| 23:04.38 | mic34 | (no graphical install) |
| 23:04.42 | poisonbit | i don't understand, may be you can change to tty2 and see log files about the fail |
| 23:04.54 | mic34 | ok, good idea |
| 23:05.04 | poisonbit | if you boot "expert" install, it will ask for grub2 |
| 23:05.25 | mic34 | hmm ok, i'll try this also |
| 23:05.29 | eldowan | what do the characters iB mean at the beginning of an aptitude search. ex: aptitude search beep returns this: iB beep |
| 23:05.36 | mic34 | thanks |
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| 23:07.47 | ntrfug | I believe they mean installed but broken |
| 23:08.20 | dkr | hrm, I installed gnome-randr-applet but I don't see it on the list when I try to add to panel. I shouldn't have to restart gnome for those to take effect, right? |
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| 23:08.58 | poisonbit | eldowan, "For a complete list of the possible state and action flags, see the section âAccessing Package Informationâ in the aptitude reference guide." |
| 23:09.00 | dkr | I'm pretty sure I didn't have to restart to add glipper to panel after I installed it |
| 23:09.03 | poisonbit | that says the man page |
| 23:10.11 | poisonbit | dkr kill -HUP THE_PID_OF_gnome-panel_PROCCESS |
| 23:10.41 | Nikke | When i installed samba on my debian server i said that user nikke should have rights to check on alla home folders |
| 23:10.52 | Nikke | that wasnt a good idea i think, now i own /home/* |
| 23:11.05 | Nikke | is it possible to redo that? |
| 23:11.15 | Nikke | to give them the right permissions |
| 23:11.28 | poisonbit | dkr kill -HUP $(ps aux | awk '/gnome-panel/{print $2}') |
| 23:11.51 | eldowan | poisonbit: thanks |
| 23:12.05 | dkr | Posterdati: skill -HUP gnome-panel worked, :) thanks |
| 23:12.17 | poisonbit | :) |
| 23:12.24 | dkr | er, poisonbit , damn, my tab completion order is screwy, o rmaybe I just suck at typing |
| 23:12.36 | ewoerner | is there any page with information about debconf9 day trip? |
| 23:13.05 | abrotman | wiki.debconf.org maybe? |
| 23:13.09 | ewoerner | and what the hell is the "assassins game"? |
| 23:13.15 | lip_skip_vt | n8 |
| 23:13.18 | dkr | poisonbit: actually not sure if it was there n the first place or not, the applet is called "display geometry switcher" whcih doesn't really bear any letter sin common with randr or resolution and rotation, :) |
| 23:13.23 | dondelelcaro | ewoerner: as far as I know, a daytrip isn't currently planned. |
| 23:13.50 | dondelelcaro | ewoerner: the assassins game is a game that gets played during debconf. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassin_(game) |
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| 23:14.29 | theodred | abrotman: are you also connected on oftc? I thought that was you :P |
| 23:14.41 | abrotman | eh wah? |
| 23:14.45 | TheSarge | I am reading the screen man page, anyone willing to take some basic screen newb questions? |
| 23:14.46 | abrotman | yes i am |
| 23:14.57 | ewoerner | ah |
| 23:14.57 | theodred | TheSarge: go fer it |
| 23:15.10 | theodred | abrotman: how are ye? |
| 23:15.13 | ewoerner | dondelelcaro: i thought that was something debian specific, thanks for the info |
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| 23:15.21 | abrotman | eh .. peachy? |
| 23:15.25 | TheSarge | Like the man page says to press C-a ? for a list of commands, that means Ctrl+A+? |
| 23:15.57 | TheSarge | like in reality you are pressing ctrl a shift and /? |
| 23:16.02 | theodred | no |
| 23:16.06 | theodred | ctrl + a |
| 23:16.09 | theodred | + : |
| 23:16.15 | theodred | and you can type in "help" |
| 23:16.18 | simonrvn | ^a then ? |
| 23:16.18 | TheSarge | plus colon? |
| 23:16.22 | theodred | yes |
| 23:16.29 | simonrvn | no colon |
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| 23:16.32 | theodred | ctrl + a (then press : ) |
| 23:16.37 | TheSarge | See the man page doesnt mention a colon |
| 23:16.37 | abrotman | you hit ctrl+a .. then "?" |
| 23:16.41 | theodred | and you will get a screen prompt |
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| 23:16.46 | theodred | abrotman: that is another way. |
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| 23:17.12 | abrotman | that's what he asked? |
| 23:17.19 | hacker_kid | anyone ever had an install sit at "Loading Kernel modules" without booting |
| 23:17.22 | TheSarge | if I press ctrl+a then ? It just switches to my other active screen? |
| 23:17.31 | theodred | the sarge |
| 23:17.34 | theodred | press ctrl +a |
| 23:17.43 | theodred | then press shift + ; |
| 23:17.48 | theodred | and you will get a prompt |
| 23:17.54 | theodred | type in "help" (without quotes) |
| 23:18.01 | abrotman | less enter? |
| 23:18.09 | theodred | and then press enter |
| 23:18.24 | simonrvn | he meant you, theodred |
| 23:18.25 | TheSarge | theodred: I am already reading the man page is the help page different? |
| 23:18.48 | theodred | it gives you the cmd listing |
| 23:18.52 | unop | the help page is a summary of shortcuts, etc |
| 23:19.04 | TheSarge | You have to let go of Ctrl+a then press your key!!! |
| 23:19.16 | poisonbit | when man page says C-a L it is (Pres Ctrl and A)(release)(then press L) |
| 23:19.45 | simonrvn | the ^a is just to activate screen's commands. |
| 23:19.56 | poisonbit | TheSarge, also you may read online doc in http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/manual/screen.html |
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| 23:21.48 | TheSarge | I think I am getting it, but pressing ctrl+a releasing then pressing 1 or 2 etc.. doesnt seem to work |
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| 23:21.54 | hacker_kid | im trying to download a full cd but i get "The requested URL /debian-cd/5.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/ was not found on this server." |
| 23:22.00 | TheSarge | just says this is window 1 |
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| 23:22.36 | poisonbit | hacker_kid, and 5.0.1 ? |
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| 23:22.46 | mic34 | back |
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| 23:22.49 | theodred | returns to work |
| 23:23.04 | hacker_kid | poisonbit, seems a link-update is in order :P |
| 23:23.15 | mic34 | this is really bad... the installer is not working well at erasing and creating partitions... really... |
| 23:23.18 | TheSarge | oh because zero is a number |
| 23:23.25 | poisonbit | hacker_kid, yes, in some mirrors :) |
| 23:23.50 | hacker_kid | poisonbit, i was on debian.org. no matter what i tried to download i got that |
| 23:23.53 | TheSarge | whats a "break" in reference to screen |
| 23:23.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hacker_kid?? what kind of a hacker you are?? |
| 23:23.59 | mic34 | sometimes you're just stuck with some raid partitions hanging around that you can only erase by selection a whole drive install... |
| 23:24.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | white /grey/ black hatter ? |
| 23:24.16 | mic34 | it just doesn't work |
| 23:24.18 | hacker_kid | sh4d3sl4y3r_, a hacker in the old sense of the word meaning a programmer. not the new media bs |
| 23:24.23 | poisonbit | mic34, try to change to tty from the installer, once disk are recogniced |
| 23:24.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 23:24.28 | dkr | "new", heh |
| 23:24.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | good |
| 23:24.31 | abrotman | uh .. |
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| 23:24.48 | poisonbit | mic34, then zero the disks (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdblabla) |
| 23:24.54 | mic34 | now I have a swap RAID partition, but i can't delete it |
| 23:24.57 | poisonbit | mic34, reboot and tray a clean install |
| 23:25.02 | mic34 | ok poisonbit thanks |
| 23:25.20 | poisonbit | d-i trys to recognize existing raid partitions |
| 23:25.28 | poisonbit | before start partitioning |
| 23:25.40 | hacker_kid | poisonbit, which cd's would i download for the base system and xfce4? |
| 23:25.53 | abrotman | hacker_kid: you can use the netinst for that |
| 23:26.02 | abrotman | hacker_kid: there's also an XFCE CD1 |
| 23:26.18 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/ .. fourth one from the bottom |
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| 23:26.34 | hacker_kid | abrotman, yes i know, but i have already installed 3 times with varying errors depending on my configuration |
| 23:26.36 | TheSarge | Is there an easy way to make so when I start up and it goes to my graphical login screen and I press switch to my first VT on F1 it will automaticly start screen |
| 23:26.37 | abrotman | fourth and fifth (xfce/netinst respectively) |
| 23:26.38 | hacker_kid | abrotman, thank you |
| 23:27.26 | poisonbit | TheSarge, you can launch it from .bashrc |
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| 23:27.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm i could never try netinstall |
| 23:27.39 | poisonbit | or i think it was able to work as a login shell |
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| 23:27.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | 256k connection :( |
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| 23:28.03 | abrotman | that's fine for that |
| 23:28.09 | abrotman | did a netinst over dialup |
| 23:28.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | dialup? |
| 23:28.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ahem |
| 23:28.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : S |
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| 23:28.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | affirmative |
| 23:28.21 | poisonbit | sh4d3sl4y3r_, and is better an entire CD and a lot of updates ? |
| 23:28.27 | mic34 | poisonbit: "dd: writing '/dev/sda1': No space left on device" |
| 23:28.37 | hacker_kid | netinst of dialup would be fine if you arent installing much |
| 23:28.37 | poisonbit | mic34, cool now sdb |
| 23:28.44 | mic34 | ok |
| 23:28.52 | mic34 | i'll do all of them |
| 23:28.56 | poisonbit | mic34, you can ctrl +c after some seconds |
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| 23:29.02 | TheSarge | poisonbit: where is .bashrc |
| 23:29.02 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i just have the 1st cd of standard gnome testing. and have all the packages burned in another dvd |
| 23:29.06 | mic34 | fine |
| 23:29.10 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | thats how i install after i format it each time |
| 23:29.12 | poisonbit | TheSarge, in your home |
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| 23:29.33 | poisonbit | TheSarge, but this will launch screen in all your bash sessions |
| 23:29.35 | TheSarge | poisonbit: but this will be before I am logged in |
| 23:29.36 | kenjy | how can I know how many inodes can handle my debian? |
| 23:29.42 | abrotman | kenjy: df -i |
| 23:29.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wen it gets old, once in 4-5 months i download the new cd iso again and get the packages |
| 23:30.00 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:30.08 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: that doesn't even make sense |
| 23:30.14 | kenjy | abrotman: df -i shows the available/used etc etc inodes in the HD but I wanna know how many inodes my kernel can handle |
| 23:30.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | else the updates become as huge as 1 GB |
| 23:30.17 | poisonbit | kenjy, and sysctl -a | grep inode |
| 23:30.18 | TheSarge | poisonbit: Won't I have to be logged in for that? |
| 23:30.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | which takes hours to download |
| 23:30.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | after a format |
| 23:30.29 | abrotman | kenjy: oh .. that depends on the filesystem i believe |
| 23:30.37 | TheSarge | poisonbit: I want it to always use screen when I goto a VT no matter what user I am |
| 23:30.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | 1GB takes almost 10 hours |
| 23:30.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | my notebook will get fried |
| 23:30.50 | kenjy | abrotman: mmm where can I search to know that ? |
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| 23:31.11 | poisonbit | TheSarge, if you put in .bashrc it will be launched after each login yes |
| 23:31.13 | deb-eater | I am ready to kick the gui unless i can get something like windowmaker or fluxbox |
| 23:31.40 | TheSarge | poisonbit: for all users including root? |
| 23:32.01 | poisonbit | TheSarge, read about bash initialization |
| 23:32.09 | poisonbit | there are main files and personal files |
| 23:32.11 | TheSarge | sighs |
| 23:32.15 | poisonbit | main files are in /etc |
| 23:32.17 | Brack10 | what kind of sound files can you play with cat? |
| 23:32.20 | abrotman | kenjy: i'd guess a 32bit or 64bit number |
| 23:32.37 | poisonbit | kenjy, and sysctl -a | grep inode |
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| 23:32.52 | kenjy | abrotman: I need to know the inodes limit of debian =) |
| 23:32.58 | TheSarge | Thats why I was asking, becauase if it is in my home dir, then it will only be for that user right? I want screen to be used for all VT's regaurdless of the user |
| 23:33.08 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman i have true 64 bit processors, but i never used a 64 bit OS yet. Will it be of any use migrating to 64 bit? |
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| 23:33.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Any advantage? |
| 23:33.18 | abrotman | probably not for you |
| 23:33.30 | poisonbit | kenjy, or /proc/sys/fs/inode* |
| 23:33.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
| 23:33.39 | kenjy | poisonbit: tnks what means fs.inode-state and fs.inode-nr |
| 23:33.39 | hacker_kid | what could cause a system to freeze at loading kernel modules? |
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| 23:34.18 | poisonbit | kenjy, it should be in the proc manpage |
| 23:34.40 | abrotman | kenjy: http://lwn.net/Articles/187321/ .. might be some good reading ? |
| 23:34.51 | poisonbit | it is |
| 23:34.59 | poisonbit | (in the man page) |
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| 23:36.40 | mic34 | poisonbit: ok great it cleared everything, now i'm in expert install.. trying the raid and grub2 |
| 23:37.11 | poisonbit | good luck mic34 , i'm going to sleep (01:37 here) |
| 23:37.21 | mic34 | ok thanks, have a good rest ;) |
| 23:37.52 | poisonbit | tnks |
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| 23:38.40 | Brack10 | cat /dev/urandom is so sweet |
| 23:38.53 | abrotman | sweet? |
| 23:38.56 | Brack10 | I could watch it for hours |
| 23:39.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S |
| 23:39.26 | mic34 | how is this random generated ? |
| 23:39.31 | Brack10 | best command EVAR |
| 23:39.42 | Brack10 | mic34: quantum mechanics |
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| 23:39.50 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | halt if the best command ever for me |
| 23:39.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *is |
| 23:39.54 | Brack10 | mic34: it gets it from a paralel universe where everything is random |
| 23:39.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 23:40.05 | poisonbit | man 4 urandom |
| 23:40.16 | mic34 | :) |
| 23:40.32 | deb-eater | How does one search the aptitude casnh for all packages related to floxbox? |
| 23:40.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | it acts as a text based screensaver though :P |
| 23:40.51 | abrotman | deb-eater: how do you mean related? |
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| 23:42.00 | ntrfug | fluxbox? |
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| 23:42.10 | abrotman | deb-eater: aptitude search "~dfluxbox" ? |
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| 23:43.42 | oh_noes | Why does umount /mnt/NFSMount 2>&1 >/dev/null still display umount: /mnt/NFSMount: not found |
| 23:43.50 | oh_noes | Im trying to surpress the error/warning |
| 23:44.06 | simonrvn | do that by making the directory? o_O |
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| 23:44.32 | oh_noes | naa, I have a script which mounts an NFS writes then dismounts |
| 23:44.33 | Tramp | oh_noes: wrong order of redirectons |
| 23:44.46 | abrotman | deb-eater: or aptitude search "~dfluxbox|~nfluxbox" |
| 23:44.47 | oh_noes | so this first 'umount' is just a quick 'do it incase' the last execution failed |
| 23:45.08 | oh_noes | Tramp: arr thanks, dev null first then 2>&1? |
| 23:45.13 | mythomaniac | i seem to get a lot of kernel crashes every time system and i think its got something to do with the networck connection, for when i disconnect the system from the network i don't get a kernel crash - anyone know why this occurs and and how to fix it? |
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| 23:45.27 | mythomaniac | er every time i reboot |
| 23:45.40 | Tramp | oh_noes: in bash, simply use &> |
| 23:46.06 | oh_noes | Tramp: and that will redirect stdrrr to stdout? |
| 23:46.08 | Tramp | oh_noes: and yes, otherwise first >file, then 2>&1 |
| 23:46.27 | Tramp | oh_noes: yes. Search "man bash" for that pattern (&> or >&) |
| 23:46.53 | mythomaniac | or i should say it has something to do with how the kernel processes the network connection... |
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| 23:47.22 | oh_noes | Tramps, thanks. |
| 23:47.27 | kenjy | why I don't have /proc/sys/fs/inode-max in my debian? |
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| 23:49.00 | kenjy | how can I know the limit of inodes that my debian kernel can have in ram ? |
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| 23:49.56 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: if it's a 686 kernel, it's 4G; if it's bigmem, it's 64G; if it's amd64, it's limited by hardware. |
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| 23:50.34 | abrotman | i thought amd64 was 64GB also |
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| 23:51.02 | Piet | so i have a system with an onboard nic which requires the e1000e driver which is included in linux since 2.6.28something (rc2 i think). but i would like to run a xen production system on lenny with it. what should i do? |
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| 23:51.29 | brand0con | did flash stop working in iceweasel for anyone else today? |
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| 23:52.32 | Piet | brand0con: the non-free implementation still sucks the same amount of ram here as before, so no, it did not stop to work for me. |
| 23:52.51 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I'm not sure; I know it's generally hardware that limits the memory |
| 23:53.07 | Piet | afaik debian does not ship time limited software, either. ;-) |
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| 23:56.39 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: intel chips are limited to 64G, amd, to 1T |
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| 23:56.56 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:58.06 | dondelelcaro | the theoretical limitation is something like 64T (46bits) and some bits of the kernel are limited to 40 bits, apparently |
| 23:58.06 | dondelelcaro | (but that could be out of date by now) |
| 23:58.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | << loves amd |
| 23:58.26 | elik | I'm trying to get my nvidia to work on 2.6.29 from unstable repo. I noticed today that nvidia-kernel-source (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kernel/nvidia-kernel-source) had an update for the headers mess up, so I thought I'd give it a try. Trying to install it, it complains that it would need to update nvidia-glx to 180.44. Thing is nvidia-glx (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-glx) depends on nvidia-kernel-180.44.. |
| 23:58.26 | elik | .. which does not exist ?( |
| 23:59.33 | simonrvn | it will when you finish building that |
| 23:59.34 | dondelelcaro | elik: you'd need to build it |
| 23:59.34 | jelly-home | elik: build it! |
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| 23:59.56 | elik | dondelelcaro, nvidia-kernel-180.44? |
| 23:59.59 | dondelelcaro | (it's what the nvidia-kernel-blahblahblah-blah packages that you build with m-a a-i will provide) |