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| 00:04.30 | robd | Hey guys |
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| 00:04.56 | robd | Anyone here using a Dell server and running OpenManage to report hardware errors? |
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| 00:05.18 | robd | would like to get OpenManage 5.5 installed on Etch x86_64 but is having a lot of issues... |
| 00:05.51 | sepult | ext2 and ext3 is borked |
| 00:06.25 | sepult | just did an e2fsck on my disk and it erased shadow and gshadow and python2.5 and and and |
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| 00:06.58 | robd | Would anyone here like to make some money helping me with a Dell OpenManage problem? |
| 00:07.17 | sepult | robd: whaaaat ? mooooney ?? |
| 00:07.29 | sepult | robd: what's the problem = |
| 00:07.30 | robd | sepult: Sometimes it works... |
| 00:07.37 | sepult | robd: lol |
| 00:07.40 | sepult | robd: sure |
| 00:07.49 | robd | sepult: I have some RHEL 5 rpms and I'd like to install the same binaries on Debian |
| 00:07.56 | robd | sepult: I've done it before by hand, but it takes time |
| 00:08.08 | robd | sepult: I'd love to find a grad student to do this time consuming process for me |
| 00:08.16 | sepult | robd: yes, you likely need alien |
| 00:08.25 | robd | sepult: theoretically you could script all this stuff, so it's not immensely complex... |
| 00:08.26 | sepult | robd: and some rhel related packages |
| 00:08.40 | sepult | robd: and a /usr/src/rpm repository |
| 00:08.51 | adama_ | !alien |
| 00:08.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 00:08.52 | robd | sepult: Would you like to participate in the American economy then? |
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| 00:10.03 | sepult | robd: writing a script is not that heavy, i mean if i can help you why not, but how do you suppose to send me the money ? if i'm done ? |
| 00:10.09 | sepult | lol |
| 00:10.49 | robd | sepult: Ideally PayPal, but whatever works |
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| 00:11.04 | sepult | robd: i don't have a recent paypal account |
| 00:11.38 | sepult | robd: i registered just once i don't know if my accounts exists yet |
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| 00:12.07 | sepult | robd: where do you get you packages ? which repo ? |
| 00:12.11 | robd | sepult: Let's chat via PM |
| 00:12.16 | sepult | robd: ok |
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| 00:12.33 | zeta | are there types aside from iso9660 for iso files? |
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| 00:24.38 | jetscreamer | iso standard compliant? try the iso .organization |
| 00:24.47 | jetscreamer | i forget the name |
| 00:24.52 | jetscreamer | google iso standards |
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| 00:25.18 | jetscreamer | they have iso compliant buildings even |
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| 00:26.54 | jetscreamer | !iso |
| 00:26.55 | dpkg | i heard iso is a cd-image. CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, debian-cd.com, http://www.linuxiso.org, something I do with needle and thread, ask me about <netinst>, a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, jigdo, ask me about <jigdo>, did I mention <jigdo>?, see <create cd image>, a partially-correct way of referring ISO 9660, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 00:27.16 | zeta | [640x480 256 colors] <-- how do I add this to my xorg |
| 00:28.46 | jetscreamer | 8 bit, add the line... do you know the format of the section? |
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| 00:29.07 | jetscreamer | do you... nm you don't. lemme look for an example. |
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| 00:36.23 | jetscreamer | ah how gay |
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| 00:57.01 | Ace2017_- | hi all |
| 00:57.40 | Ace2017_- | anyone having issues with eth0 not coming up in sid with kernels 2.6.26.x but it works in 2.6.29 |
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| 00:58.45 | gaintsura | to set the selections in a file via dpkg, I do: cat file_with_selections | dpkg --set-selections ? |
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| 00:59.43 | Ace2017_- | this is very strange, why would 2.6.26.x not work? |
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| 01:09.08 | sepult | robd: which is your server ? |
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| 01:18.06 | h2os | anyone using squidguard and having a source block with ldapusersearch working properly? |
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| 01:20.11 | sepult | anyone know a way to recover invalidated inodes with proper naming ? |
| 01:21.00 | sepult | i got a binary recovered, with no name in lost+found |
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| 01:22.31 | gog | not likely as far as I know |
| 01:24.18 | sepult | gog: i got a bit pattern of it with od \#blabla, and am now in a chroot env, can i compare it to an existing binary's bitpattern ?? |
| 01:24.46 | sepult | elf 32 executable with no name |
| 01:24.51 | sepult | hrmmm |
| 01:25.40 | Tramp | sepult: you could build a checksum and compare it to the checksum of other files |
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| 01:26.25 | sepult | Tramp: ok, based on checksum good to know |
| 01:26.31 | freaky_t | hi all im using debian lenny and using clamav as virus scanner for mails. but it says it is outdated ... is there an more recently updated repository for clamav? |
| 01:26.32 | sepult | Tramp: is that reliable enough ? |
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| 01:27.31 | Tramp | sepult: if you use a cryptographic hash (sha*) then yes |
| 01:27.45 | sepult | Tramp: ok thank you |
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| 01:28.23 | Tramp | sepult: but a crc32 is faster, and if there are multiple matches you can verify with sha* which one it is |
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| 01:32.31 | ray66 | I cannot install jre6u13-linux.i586.bin or any other java |
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| 01:33.54 | h2os | sh jre6u13-linux.i586.bin |
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| 01:37.50 | ray66 | h2os...I have downloaded this file from sun twice and I still get with there instructions and your file or directory not found |
| 01:40.09 | Wyzard | ray66: If you're getting "no such file or directory" then you're either mistyping the filename, or running the command somewhere other than the directory where the file is |
| 01:41.34 | AcTiVaTe | Or try doing a chmod +x file.bin 1st |
| 01:41.50 | ray66 | wyzard..file in /home/ray66 and the correct file name is jre-6u13-linux-i586.bin running it from super konsole |
| 01:42.14 | Wyzard | AcTiVaTe: That't not needed if running it via sh |
| 01:42.53 | AcTiVaTe | Wyzard: Indeed, but it was never implied which method was used. |
| 01:43.12 | h2os | ray66, paste in command you are typing |
| 01:43.47 | Wyzard | AcTiVaTe: <h2os> sh jre6u13-linux.i586.bin |
| 01:44.26 | nvz | that doesn't rule anything out without absolute path or showing of the path in the prompt |
| 01:44.42 | nvz | what they are trying to get after is why the error |
| 01:44.54 | nvz | so you gotta show the full prompt and command and/or run it with a full path |
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| 01:46.18 | ray66 | ray66@Ray:~$ sh jre-6u13-linux-i586.bin |
| 01:46.19 | ray66 | sh: jre-6u13-linux-i586.bin: No such file or directory |
| 01:46.19 | ray66 | ray66@Ray:~$ chmod =X file.bin |
| 01:46.19 | ray66 | chmod: cannot access `file.bin': No such file or directory |
| 01:46.19 | ray66 | ray66@Ray:~$ chmod =X jre-6u13-linux-i586.bin |
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| 01:47.12 | h2os | yep, pathin issue |
| 01:47.18 | h2os | pathin = pating |
| 01:47.25 | h2os | screw it |
| 01:47.29 | amphi | heh |
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| 01:52.04 | ray66 | ray66@Ray:~$ sh jre-6u13-linux-i586.bin |
| 01:52.04 | ray66 | sh: jre-6u13-linux-i586.bin: No such file or directory |
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| 01:53.24 | ray66 | Sorry I got removed because i flooded the chat |
| 01:53.39 | h2os | ray66, where is the file located on your filesytem? |
| 01:53.41 | Wyzard | ray66: That means there's no file by that name in the directory where you're running the command |
| 01:53.47 | Wyzard | ray66: Run "ls" and see what's there |
| 01:54.18 | ray66 | h2os../home/ray66 |
| 01:54.29 | h2os | ray66, type pwd |
| 01:55.26 | ray66 | -rw-r--r-- 1 ray66 ray66 20177482 2009-04-14 13:17 jre-6u13-linux-i586(2).bin |
| 01:56.08 | ray66 | ray66@Ray:~$ pwd |
| 01:56.08 | ray66 | /home/ray66 |
| 01:56.15 | h2os | tricky tricky, sh jre-6u*, or you have to sh jre-<press tab key> |
| 01:56.55 | h2os | ray66, atlast, what you have to do is escape it sh jre-6u13-linux-i586\(2\).bin |
| 01:57.12 | mmind | the reason it wasn't working, ray66, is because the shell was evaluating the parentheses before executing the command |
| 01:57.34 | mmind | oh, and... you had the wrong filename |
| 01:57.44 | mmind | :) |
| 01:57.51 | h2os | heh |
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| 01:58.37 | ray66 | I now have the license agreement it did not work with the parentheses |
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| 01:58.57 | freaky_t | hi all im using debian lenny and using clamav as virus scanner for mails. but it says it is outdated ... is there an more recently updated repository for clamav? |
| 01:59.22 | elik | virus scanner... |
| 01:59.41 | mmind | dpkg, volatile? |
| 01:59.42 | dpkg | methinks volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://volatile.debian.org/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 02:00.10 | ray66 | h2os... it unpacked now to go and try if it works |
| 02:00.23 | freaky_t | mmind thank you :D |
| 02:00.33 | mmind | you're welcome :) |
| 02:00.50 | h2os | ray66, good job, your on your way |
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| 02:01.29 | Ace2017_- | !forcedeth |
| 02:01.30 | dpkg | somebody said forcedeth was the open-source nvidia ethernet driver, for nforce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 kernels or higher, or ask me about <forcedeth mac> |
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| 02:01.44 | Ace2017_- | ah, its a part of the kernel :( |
| 02:01.48 | theswellseason | I'm trying to get skype on my system, but the only tutorial I've found was for i368 and I'm on amd64. any solutions? |
| 02:02.15 | ray66 | h2os..Thanks for the help |
| 02:02.50 | freaky_t | i added the volatile repository to my sources.list did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade but it doenst update any packages i still get: LibClamAV Warning: *** This version of the ClamAV engine is outdated. *** |
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| 02:02.56 | freaky_t | is this still ok? oO |
| 02:03.04 | AcTiVaTe | theswellseason: It should still work |
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| 02:04.04 | theswellseason | I got as far as downloading it and when I tried to run dpkg -i skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb |
| 02:04.21 | theswellseason | it gave me an error because it didn't work with my architecture |
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| 02:04.41 | enyawix | I have debian running great not but boot time is very slow. what did I do wrong? |
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| 02:05.00 | enyawix | now* |
| 02:06.45 | smacnay | Hello, I have been using "testing" for some time now and have a working nvidia 174.xx driver. To build the 180.xx driver, it appears that I need to remove nvidia-glx-174.xx and nvidia-glx-dev-174.xx in order to start the m-a building of the 180.xx module. Does this sound rational or should I leave well enough alone and use the 174.xx driver? |
| 02:06.47 | enyawix | debian populating /dev takes a long time at boot |
| 02:07.14 | smacnay | Sorry, I forgot to say that I upgraded to sid yesterday. |
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| 02:07.52 | Sertse | hi |
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| 02:08.07 | Sertse | hmm, could I use xinitrc as a sort of autostart? |
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| 02:09.01 | hacker_kid | where can i download etch? I need to stay out of date until i get my new graphics card. |
| 02:09.32 | Sertse | suppose...I treat it as a bash script, start wm, start nitrogen to load background, start xfce-mcs-manager for my settings... |
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| 02:11.15 | mmind | Sertse, you could do that. i used to, before i started using gnome |
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| 02:11.38 | mmind | dpkg, tell hacker_kid about oldstable |
| 02:11.49 | hacker_kid | mmind, ty |
| 02:11.59 | mmind | you're welcome |
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| 02:13.05 | Ace2017_- | anyone here running 2.6.29-1 with an nvidia motherboard which is handled by forcedeth? |
| 02:13.18 | Sertse | hmm, I use discovered xbindkeys. ok, another daemon coukd be removed :D |
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| 02:14.20 | theswellseason | AcTiVaTe, I tried installing skype again and it gave me the same errors |
| 02:15.02 | AcTiVaTe | Ace2017_-: I am |
| 02:15.45 | hacker_kid | mmind, im seeing a lot of information about etch but no download links. specifically i need the netinst iso |
| 02:15.55 | Ace2017_- | AcTiVaTe: is your network card still working ok? |
| 02:16.21 | AcTiVaTe | Ace2017_-: I think it is coz I can still send and receive IRC messages :P |
| 02:16.25 | theswellseason | AcTiVaTe, this is the error it gave me: http://pastebin.com/m2c9dd58f |
| 02:16.32 | theswellseason | lol |
| 02:17.30 | Ace2017_- | after trying 2.6.29, 2.6.26-1 and -2 give eth0: no link during initialization. which makes me think something happened to the device |
| 02:17.50 | Sertse | hacker_kid, http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#old |
| 02:17.51 | Ace2017_- | 2.6.29 continues to work but older kernels fail and i unfortunately don't have windows to test :( |
| 02:18.12 | hacker_kid | Sertse, thank you ;) |
| 02:18.41 | enyawix | any way to save /dev between boots? filling /dev evry boot is making my boot time painfully slow |
| 02:18.50 | mmind | hacker_kid, http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
| 02:19.09 | enyawix | my last distro did not remake /dev every boot |
| 02:19.38 | hacker_kid | enyawix, i was wondering that myself |
| 02:19.45 | hacker_kid | mmind, thanks again |
| 02:19.48 | AcTiVaTe | theswellseason: When you make sure you install the 32 bits dependencies for Skype you can use --force-architecture with dpkg to install it |
| 02:20.13 | enyawix | hacker_kid ya boot would be fast than |
| 02:20.36 | enyawix | gentoo booted is under 2min on same computer |
| 02:20.44 | enyawix | in* under |
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| 02:21.00 | hacker_kid | enyawix, i dont mind much on desktops. i would prefer a faster boot. on my servers i use crux which is incredibly tiny but a real pain in the butt on desktops lol. boots in 11 seconds :D |
| 02:21.12 | Fare | what's the correct chmod for /var/run/screen, and why do screen and /etc/init.d/screen-cleanup disagree? |
| 02:21.14 | Ace2017_- | the strange thing is that it was working flawlessly on 2.6.26-1 for months |
| 02:21.38 | enyawix | i know debian can boot faster i just do not know how to do it |
| 02:21.47 | Ace2017_- | enyawix: initng? |
| 02:22.07 | AcTiVaTe | theswellseason: Or give this a shot. http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-install-skype-on-debian-and-ubuntu-with-apt-get-aptitude |
| 02:22.23 | enyawix | <Ace2017_- remaking /dev every boot is taking most of the time |
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| 02:22.40 | enyawix | init is fine |
| 02:23.15 | theswellseason | AcTiVaTe, is that where you add something to sources.list? if so, I tried that first |
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| 02:24.35 | theswellseason | so would I run dpkg -i --force-architecture skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb? |
| 02:24.41 | AcTiVaTe | theswellseason: Perhaps this is what you have been looking for :P |
| 02:24.44 | AcTiVaTe | http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-ubuntu-amd64 |
| 02:25.11 | AcTiVaTe | Hoping that it will work :P |
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| 02:26.03 | sakuramboo | is there a way to see the files included in the bind9utils package? |
| 02:26.16 | xororand | sakuramboo: dpkg -L |
| 02:26.20 | xororand | dpkg -L yourpackage |
| 02:26.20 | dpkg | No packages found matching yourpackage |
| 02:26.44 | Ace2017_- | brb, i installed ifplugd, maybe it'll change the config back from what 2.6.29 changed it to |
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| 02:27.47 | Fare | sees http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471763 |
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| 02:28.15 | sakuramboo | touche, thanks xororand |
| 02:29.40 | theswellseason | AcTiVaTe, that worked |
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| 02:31.34 | theswellseason | actually, AcTiVaTe it doesn't work |
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| 02:32.31 | theswellseason | http://pastebin.com/m3d59b5a4 |
| 02:32.34 | theswellseason | it gave me that error |
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| 02:35.48 | AcTiVaTe | theswellseason: So install libqt4 ? |
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| 02:46.13 | theswellseason | AcTiVaTe, that's been causing me more issues |
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| 02:49.21 | theswellseason | AcTiVaTe, I have installed libqt4-core, and searched several places for a reason why it won't work and I'm not finding one that solves the problem |
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| 02:57.33 | ericP | i've booted up a 2.6.29 and the kernel+initrd isn't able to mount root=/dev/sda2 |
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| 02:57.58 | ericP | the ramfs allows me to poke around in proc |
| 02:58.33 | ericP | i have an ide drive. what device should i see in /proc/devices? |
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| 03:05.45 | Riesh | trying to setup a amd64 sid system. but can't install kdm (kde4) -> depends on kdebase-runtime ->depends on libxine1 -> depends on -> libmagick10 has no installation candidate ... same with iceweasel -> depends on libpango1.0.0 -> depends on libdatrie0 = no installation candidate ... Do i just need to wait until these dependancies get resolved? |
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| 03:09.02 | dondelelcaro | Riesh: yes, or you can install the versions from testing |
| 03:09.22 | dondelelcaro | (it's not all that unusual for sid to have packages that can't be installed; usually it's because they're stuck in NEW) |
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| 03:09.54 | Riesh | dondelelcaro: you mean temp. add testing in sources.list? |
| 03:10.46 | Riesh | or just download them from a mirror ? |
| 03:10.48 | dondelelcaro | Riesh: or permanently, yes. |
| 03:11.05 | Riesh | aha ... ok. thanks ... will try that |
| 03:11.06 | sepult | what a nuisance, all my kde menu entry's are gone |
| 03:11.33 | sepult | have to install all packages again in order to get them back |
| 03:11.35 | sepult | urgh |
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| 03:12.44 | sepult | is it normal for /etc/shadow to be reaped away with any of the ext2 filesystem checkers ?? |
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| 03:13.02 | sepult | or that the inodes would get corrupt ? |
| 03:13.29 | sepult | or be deleted, since i thought /etc would be protected somehow |
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| 03:15.42 | dondelelcaro | sepult: there's no magical protection for it, no. |
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| 03:17.29 | dondelelcaro | of course, it'd be fairly odd for /etc/shadow to be touched by e2fsck, since that file very rarely is modified |
| 03:18.01 | sepult | dondelelcaro: i suppose, i did |
| 03:18.08 | sepult | dondelelcaro: i suppose, it did i mean |
| 03:18.33 | alcatros | i made an installation some time ago with lvm partitions and now i want to mirror my current lvm to another disc which i newly bought. has somebody a clue how to do that? |
| 03:18.37 | sepult | dondelelcaro: cause i could no longer enter my password, just after typing root on login would break |
| 03:19.38 | sepult | dondelelcaro: so i had to recover it by e2fsck, and it was put into lost+found dir, but i had to search for all files by hand which was which and if anyone gave any hint to be what |
| 03:19.50 | sepult | bah |
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| 03:20.48 | elitecoder | Is there a way to remove the files that have been installed by a package? apt-get remove mysql-server doesn't appear to be getting rid of the data directory or init script |
| 03:21.30 | alcatros | elitecoder: you need to flush it if you want to get rid of the config |
| 03:21.38 | sepult | elitecoder: then you have mixed unstable |
| 03:22.06 | alcatros | elitecoder: use purge instead of remove |
| 03:22.19 | dondelelcaro | elitecoder: there's some question about whether it should remove the data on purge, but the configuration will certainly go away |
| 03:22.21 | elitecoder | I did try purge |
| 03:22.34 | elitecoder | I still have the /etc/init.d/mysql script tho |
| 03:22.42 | sepult | elitecoder: and if that does not work then your system is borked |
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| 03:22.49 | elitecoder | ok :x |
| 03:23.02 | sepult | elitecoder: remove it by hand |
| 03:23.14 | elitecoder | heh I'll try |
| 03:23.18 | sepult | elitecoder: try to find out what is wrong in your system |
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| 03:23.29 | alcatros | does anyone know how to mirror lvm over discs? |
| 03:23.30 | sepult | elitecoder: sometimes it happens to me too |
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| 03:24.13 | dondelelcaro | elitecoder: which package did you purge? |
| 03:24.34 | dondelelcaro | elitecoder: if you didn't purge the mysql-server-n.n package, that configuration file won't be deleted. |
| 03:24.58 | elitecoder | ooo |
| 03:25.18 | elitecoder | without the .deb? |
| 03:25.26 | elitecoder | everything up to the .deb is what I should say to purge? |
| 03:25.27 | dondelelcaro | elitecoder: you don't need the .deb, no. |
| 03:25.45 | dondelelcaro | elitecoder: nah, just the name of the package, which is mysql-server-5.0 or similar |
| 03:25.49 | elitecoder | ok that's what I meant / thought |
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| 03:26.12 | dondelelcaro | (if it's still there, you probably purged mysql-server, which is just a metapackage) |
| 03:26.47 | elitecoder | ah ha there we go |
| 03:26.50 | elitecoder | yeah that was it |
| 03:26.56 | elitecoder | thank you that got it |
| 03:27.12 | dondelelcaro | elitecoder: in the future, dpkg -S init.d/mysql; would have clued you in as to what was going on |
| 03:28.09 | elitecoder | ok thanks I'll do my best to remember that |
| 03:28.22 | elitecoder | that'll help |
| 03:28.41 | alcatros | hey guys why does it say i need at least 3 physical volumes to mirror in LVM ? |
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| 03:31.27 | dondelelcaro | alcatros: it shouldn't? |
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| 03:31.53 | alcatros | a standard mirror uses 2 drives right ? |
| 03:32.40 | dondelelcaro | alcatros: well, it needs a device to keep the mirror logs on |
| 03:32.53 | alcatros | a seperate device? |
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| 03:33.12 | sepult | is there a way to recover the menu of kde ? |
| 03:33.20 | alcatros | hmm.. i have now 2 volume groups... |
| 03:33.21 | sepult | it seems to be wiped away |
| 03:33.26 | dondelelcaro | alcatros: well, that's the sane method, but it's not required |
| 03:33.45 | alcatros | i got 2 discs.. each the same size in there.. |
| 03:33.58 | alcatros | and i simply try to mirror them to avoid data losses.. |
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| 03:35.12 | elitecoder | thanks again guys |
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| 03:37.00 | dondelelcaro | alcatros: I'd just use software raid 1, then. |
| 03:37.10 | dondelelcaro | alcatros: with lvm on top of the software raid |
| 03:37.21 | alcatros | yea the thing is.. |
| 03:37.28 | alcatros | how can i make this while i have already installed the thingy ? |
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| 03:45.23 | Neo_The_User | for those sick of iceweasel: http://neo-technical.wikispaces.com/firefox |
| 03:45.31 | Neo_The_User | peace out! |
| 03:46.13 | gravity | wtf |
| 03:46.26 | Neo_The_User | eeeyees? |
| 03:46.37 | gravity | Neo_The_User: iceweasel is firefox |
| 03:46.42 | Neo_The_User | no i mean the name |
| 03:46.44 | Neo_The_User | its stupid |
| 03:46.50 | alcatros | rename it :P |
| 03:46.53 | Neo_The_User | no |
| 03:46.58 | Neo_The_User | logo different |
| 03:47.05 | gravity | Wow. That's retarded. |
| 03:47.11 | alcatros | thats so essential :D |
| 03:47.14 | Neo_The_User | lol i think u banned me |
| 03:47.18 | Neo_The_User | mesa developer |
| 03:47.18 | alcatros | you can even replace the logo :-) |
| 03:47.20 | Neo_The_User | remember? |
| 03:47.27 | Neo_The_User | its easier doing it my way |
| 03:47.36 | gravity | Ugh. |
| 03:48.03 | alcatros | Neo_The_User: would not do this to me.. says Only tested on arch |
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| 03:48.27 | Neo_The_User | yeah my buddy is testing it for debian ATM |
| 03:48.35 | alcatros | good job |
| 03:48.59 | xxtjaxx | Ive debianized my program but what is the compat file for? |
| 03:49.19 | Neo_The_User | ok who banned me? |
| 03:49.29 | Neo_The_User | i remember somebody told me to change the mesa build system |
| 03:49.37 | gravity | xxtjaxx: In the debian directory? It tells debhelper what versioning to use. |
| 03:49.40 | Neo_The_User | then i said i cant control that |
| 03:49.51 | gravity | Neo_The_User: Yes, that was me |
| 03:50.06 | Neo_The_User | lol |
| 03:50.11 | Neo_The_User | i knew it |
| 03:50.19 | gravity | Neo_The_User: And perhaps you missed the part where I said that I maintained mesa in Debian for years. |
| 03:50.33 | gravity | And will probably be maintaining it again shortly |
| 03:50.40 | Neo_The_User | ? |
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| 03:51.01 | alcatros | why did you stop maintaining it ? |
| 03:51.05 | xxtjaxx | gravity is that cfompat level listed somewher in the developers ref? |
| 03:51.08 | gravity | So I have little patience for pretenders who tell me to fuck off when I joke about something that everyone who's ever had to deal with mesa short of Brian hates |
| 03:51.23 | gravity | alcatros: because it's a lot of work and I didn't have the time |
| 03:51.39 | gravity | xxtjaxx: man debhelper |
| 03:52.09 | alcatros | i acknowledge what you reached, but do you think its not a bit mistaken to be rude to other people who have no knowledge? |
| 03:52.27 | gravity | alcatros: Were you there? |
| 03:53.13 | Neo_The_User | gravity: r u gunna ban me again? |
| 03:53.21 | alcatros | gravity: doesnt matter , i just meet very often people in the linux world who think they can be rude if others are or if others havent the knowhow. |
| 03:53.24 | gravity | Neo_The_User: Not at the moment, no. |
| 03:53.34 | Neo_The_User | cuz i rather not change the mac address of my router. btw thanks |
| 03:53.34 | gravity | alcatros: It does matter, actually. |
| 03:53.44 | gravity | Neo_The_User: But don't be an ass. |
| 03:53.48 | Neo_The_User | kk |
| 03:54.02 | gravity | Neo_The_User: Trolling about iceweasel generally counts as being an ass as well. |
| 03:54.45 | alcatros | gravity: the main problem of the linux community is does people tell others you can get into the community and they help you , after a few month they will return with bad expiriences where people where telling them how stupid they are in chats/forums |
| 03:55.12 | gravity | alcatros: Would you like to discuss this elsewhere? This is entirely off-topic. |
| 03:55.35 | alcatros | gravity: i know , i just wanted to tell you , so you might change your behaviour next time! |
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| 03:55.49 | gravity | alcatros: Nice of you to judge me. Fuck you too. |
| 03:56.20 | alcatros | gravity: your a bit too offensive somebody should put you on ice! |
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| 03:56.50 | dondelelcaro | alcatros: take it elsewhere, please. |
| 03:57.16 | alcatros | dondelelcaro: you realized he just said the word with F to me? |
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| 03:58.30 | Ace2017_- | ok well i didn't get to the bottom of why eth0 suddenly started showing up as unplugged in 2.6.26-x, but i did get fglrx to compile in 2.6.29 |
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| 03:59.09 | Ace2017_- | the patch i used can be found here for anyone wanting fglrx with 2.6.29 http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16173&page=2 |
| 03:59.48 | dondelelcaro | Ace2017_-: probably a good idea to file a bug with that patch if it's not already present |
| 04:00.21 | Ace2017_- | i also use xgl and have kde 1.4 in /opt/xorg so the patch might not work with 1.6 and another debian user has reported it not working with 1.4.2 on that thread |
| 04:01.21 | gravity | urgh |
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| 04:01.57 | Ace2017_- | i mean xorg 1.4 in /opt/xorg |
| 04:01.58 | xxtjaxx | gravity i have this makefile here http://pastebin.com/m40119af1 would that be compliant and install as it is in the DFSG? |
| 04:02.11 | gravity | in the dfsg? |
| 04:02.14 | Ace2017_- | what is up with xorg versions, is it 1.6 or 7.something? |
| 04:03.06 | gravity | xxtjaxx: This makefile looks very very wrong to me |
| 04:03.23 | gravity | xxtjaxx: If you're going to use debhelper, you should look at the examples in the debhelper docs directory |
| 04:03.30 | xxtjaxx | aha+ |
| 04:03.40 | gravity | xxtjaxx: And I don't know what you mean by DFSG... do you know what the DFSG are and what they do? |
| 04:03.48 | gravity | xxtjaxx: Also, what are you looking to be compliant with? |
| 04:03.59 | gravity | There's a host of misconceptions behind your question I think. |
| 04:04.26 | gravity | Ace2017_-: The former is the server version, the latter is the "katamari" version, which refers to the whole suite. |
| 04:04.30 | xxtjaxx | ok ok ok |
| 04:04.49 | xxtjaxx | so I just want it to make a deb package out of that so it can be put to main |
| 04:05.09 | gravity | xxtjaxx: Ok, have you read the packaging guide? Or any of the docs on the wiki about it? |
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| 04:05.41 | xxtjaxx | Im on that buti can see simularities between mine and theres |
| 04:06.02 | xxtjaxx | cant |
| 04:06.16 | gravity | xxtjaxx: Install maint-guide and read that |
| 04:06.28 | gravity | It's a reasonable start. |
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| 04:06.38 | gravity | I'm not sure what you're reading now. |
| 04:06.44 | xxtjaxx | I do that |
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| 04:07.15 | xxtjaxx | that file:///usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/c |
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| 04:08.35 | xxtjaxx | gravity isnt that what u wanted me to read? |
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| 04:08.41 | gravity | xxtjaxx: Yes |
| 04:08.47 | gravity | Or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 04:08.49 | gravity | Same thing |
| 04:09.01 | xxtjaxx | yes |
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| 04:09.12 | Stalker`` | anyone good at configuring network interfaces/ips? |
| 04:09.28 | gravity | xxtjaxx: Is this a Makefile for your program or a debian/rules? |
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| 04:09.31 | xxtjaxx | but maybe newer as the maint on my mashine is updated to woody .,. |
| 04:09.46 | gravity | ... updated to woody? |
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| 04:10.02 | xxtjaxx | this is the Makefile for the binary only |
| 04:10.02 | xxtjaxx | indeed |
| 04:10.15 | gravity | Oh... ok. I thought this was debian/rules. |
| 04:10.18 | izua_ | what's the name of the nicer vmstat? |
| 04:10.23 | gravity | Why on earth are you using such an old version of debian? |
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| 04:10.54 | gravity | Anyway, that's probably an Ok makefile if it does the job that you need it to do, I guess. |
| 04:11.03 | xxtjaxx | gravity I mean i installed lenny freshly but at the start of the maintainers guid it says that |
| 04:11.03 | xxtjaxx | woody AND tomato |
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| 04:11.17 | Manoj | tomato? |
| 04:11.23 | gravity | potato I hope... |
| 04:11.35 | gravity | Oh, I see. Ok. |
| 04:11.45 | xxtjaxx | oh suddenly ö-Ö |
| 04:11.45 | xxtjaxx | yes |
| 04:11.56 | xxtjaxx | uh shuut |
| 04:12.06 | xxtjaxx | lol |
| 04:12.36 | xxtjaxx | is it the same for the online version? |
| 04:12.43 | gravity | Yes |
| 04:13.13 | xxtjaxx | is that sane anymore? |
| 04:13.38 | gravity | Yes, it's fine. The basics remain the same. |
| 04:14.04 | xxtjaxx | ok |
| 04:14.28 | sepult | why on earth is it such a problem to just reinstall all the packages i already have with dpkg |
| 04:14.34 | xxtjaxx | so0 whatv has to be done difrently in zthe rtules though? |
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| 04:14.47 | niceone | guys, what the current version of PHP? |
| 04:14.55 | niceone | in debian package i mean |
| 04:15.16 | gravity | xxtjaxx: Just read about how to write the rules file in the guide. It handles different things from the project's Makefile. |
| 04:15.49 | xxtjaxx | sepult why would u wanna do this? |
| 04:15.58 | nvz | potato/tomato I always say |
| 04:16.09 | sepult | xxtjaxx: i lost some parts of my system that's why |
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| 04:16.23 | nvz | only because when you type potato/potato you can't tell the difference |
| 04:16.29 | nvz | erm |
| 04:16.32 | sepult | xxtjaxx: and i want them to be the way they were before |
| 04:16.32 | nvz | tomato/tomato |
| 04:16.43 | xxtjaxx | sepult ran around with a full permission chainsaw huh? |
| 04:17.00 | sepult | xxtjaxx: ?? |
| 04:17.04 | nvz | either way, I'm rebooting to windows.. wanna watch something on abc and don't feel like setting up crossover |
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| 04:17.15 | sepult | xxtjaxx: i don't get what you say |
| 04:17.26 | nvz | wish me luck.. I'll probably contract something |
| 04:18.04 | sepult | xxtjaxx: i didn't give myself any root powers for anything dangerous |
| 04:18.06 | xxtjaxx | sepult, u didnt notice that u are still root and ran across ur filesystem with rm |
| 04:18.36 | xxtjaxx | thats what they alll says |
| 04:19.09 | xxtjaxx | gravity do I have to give DESTDIR a value or is it somekind of global variable |
| 04:19.09 | sepult | xxtjaxx: nope you're misunderstanding it, i was not being root and i was not trying anything except run my virtualbox with windows |
| 04:19.11 | Ace2017_- | gravity: thanks |
| 04:19.17 | gravity | xxtjaxx: Yes |
| 04:19.36 | gravity | xxtjaxx: Er, you want to give it a default value and let debian/rules override it if it needs to (which it should) |
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| 04:21.05 | xxtjaxx | gravity, so for examble as the refrence says DESTDIR= ./debian/<projectname>/usr/bin/ ./debian/<projectname>/usr/share/docs/<projectname> right? |
| 04:21.21 | sepult | xxtjaxx: it was working before, and then not, then i thought of that my hd may be defective, and got on to the procedure to heal it by e2fsc with the right attitude of remounting all else first readonly then do the rest and got nowhere as to the prompt at which i couldn't log in anymore, so i had to make sure which files were deleted, and copied some back in /etc like /etc/shadow |
| 04:21.47 | gravity | xxtjaxx: Yes, that's one way to do it. Another is to install in to debian/tmp |
| 04:22.08 | xxtjaxx | ok |
| 04:23.06 | xxtjaxx | gravity, but in the Makefile not in rules |
| 04:23.06 | xxtjaxx | right?= |
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| 04:24.19 | gravity | xxtjaxx: no |
| 04:24.31 | gravity | xxtjaxx: Do you not understand what the project makefile is for? |
| 04:24.55 | xxtjaxx | I do |
| 04:25.02 | gravity | Ok, then tell me. |
| 04:25.17 | xxtjaxx | but i dont knowm if the debhalper is going to change that one too |
| 04:26.26 | Manoj | I did not know that debhelper changed Makefiles |
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| 04:26.40 | gravity | It doesn't |
| 04:27.25 | xxtjaxx | Makefiles are responsible for building and installing a program wheras building means compiling and lkinking the program and installing is for putting the binaries and documentations in the directories they belong to |
| 04:28.04 | Manoj | xxtjaxx: right, though it sounds like a quote from a text book, as opposed to bone knowledge |
| 04:28.26 | gravity | True on both counts |
| 04:28.39 | xxtjaxx | its what i understood it works like |
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| 04:29.10 | gravity | xxtjaxx: Anyway, most projects are meant to be installed normally, not just in Debian packages. So they install somewhere like /usr/local by default. Right? |
| 04:29.19 | Manoj | xxtjaxx: btw, ./debian/rules is also a make file |
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| 04:30.45 | gravity | xxtjaxx: debian/rules, as Manoj says, is just a Makefile with a different name. Its job is to trigger the build system for the package and have it install to locations in the debian directory, followed by building the package |
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| 04:33.12 | Manoj | xxtjaxx: the goal of the ./Makefile is to build the package, and install it on the local machine, either in /usr. or /usr/local (most common), or even /opt. The role of ./debian/rules is to build the package and create a .deb file. Often, ./debian/rules can use ./Makefile, if ./Makefile has been written correctly |
| 04:34.04 | gravity | bows to Manoj's superior experience and goes back to writing docs on hal |
| 04:34.17 | Manoj | By correctly I mean using a construct called the prefix variable, where ./Makefile can install the binaries and supporting files in different locations (like /usr/ instead of /usr/local, or even ./debian/tmp instead of /usr. |
| 04:34.56 | Manoj | gravity: sorry. I did not mean to tread on your toes |
| 04:35.08 | sepult | the arithmetic average |
| 04:35.20 | gravity | Manoj: Not at all, you're much better at this than I am. And I do need to write this up so as to quench some flames on -devel and the BTS :-) |
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| 04:35.53 | gravity | Hopefully it'll dispel the mysteries of why the X server is using hal now |
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| 04:36.01 | Manoj | xxtjaxx: I did miss the begining of the conversation. What are we talking about anyway? |
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| 04:36.35 | JBstrikesagain | if i just submitted a bug how can I find out the bug number? |
| 04:36.55 | Manoj | JBstrikesagain: wait for a bit. Then go looking for the package in the bts |
| 04:37.11 | JBstrikesagain | i used bugreporter, it sent me a copy of my bug in an email |
| 04:37.19 | JBstrikesagain | er, 'reportbug' |
| 04:37.45 | Manoj | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=no&src=PACKAGENAMEHERE |
| 04:38.21 | Manoj | JBstrikesagain: it takes a little while for the BTS to assign the incoming email report a number |
| 04:38.47 | JBstrikesagain | Manoj, it was linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 04:39.42 | JBstrikesagain | im finding it hard to search for bugs on the kernel, it recommends I try searching in all these other kernel-headers-* packages |
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| 04:40.08 | Manoj | JBstrikesagain: search for the report on linux-2.6; since most bugs on specific kernel images are bounced to the linux-2,6 package, which is what is used to create the kernel image packages |
| 04:40.22 | JBstrikesagain | Manoj, ok i had kind of inferred that |
| 04:40.34 | JBstrikesagain | reportbug showed me all 900+ bugs for linux-26 |
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| 04:41.20 | JBstrikesagain | Manoj, thanks i found my Bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524300 |
| 04:41.49 | Manoj | JBstrikesagain: also, you can use things like: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?submitter=srivasta%40debian.org |
| 04:42.10 | Manoj | JBstrikesagain: just specify your own email address (%40 == @) |
| 04:42.33 | Manoj | that gives you a page with all bugs submitted from that email address |
| 04:42.40 | JBstrikesagain | Manoj, ok.. i'm not big on memorizing the URL to submit lol but thanks |
| 04:42.56 | JBstrikesagain | the form is nice |
| 04:44.19 | Manoj | JBstrikesagain: I just bookmark it on the toolbar on ff |
| 04:44.26 | Manoj | JBstrikesagain: I created a folder called bugs, and added the bookmark there |
| 04:44.33 | JBstrikesagain | oh |
| 04:44.40 | JBstrikesagain | Manoj, very nice |
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| 04:49.21 | xxtjaxx | ok sorry had to get my coffe |
| 04:49.31 | xxtjaxx | back now thanks for the help |
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| 04:51.22 | xxtjaxx | gravity do i have to keep -f option in shebang of the debian rules file ? |
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| 04:54.55 | gravity | xxtjaxx: I don't know, to be honest |
| 04:56.26 | xxtjaxx | this is my new _rules_ file http://pastebin.com/m19b9ce20 but some of the options they use are unknown to me |
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| 04:58.10 | jaggz- | what's up with this new install's xorg.conf having only Identifier "Configured Video Device" and other simple lines in it |
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| 05:01.35 | Manoj | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.05 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: X is moving to auto-detecting almost everything. |
| 05:02.20 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: you can of course customize it, but in most normal configurations, it shouldn't be necessary. |
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| 05:02.55 | xxtjaxx | aha |
| 05:02.56 | Manoj | gravity, xxtjaxx: ^^^^ |
| 05:02.57 | avin | hi |
| 05:03.04 | avin | !locale |
| 05:03.04 | dpkg | hmm... locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 05:03.07 | xxtjaxx | Manoj any other thinks i have to know about this one http://pastebin.com/m19b9ce20 |
| 05:03.24 | avin | !lang |
| 05:03.24 | dpkg | i guess lang is Trøls |
| 05:03.38 | avin | !l10n |
| 05:03.38 | dpkg | i guess l10n is an abbreviation for localisation, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "L, then 10 more letters, then N", get it? |
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| 05:03.57 | avin | !localisation |
| 05:03.58 | Manoj | xxtjaxx: Oh, I don't do debherlper. Never botherred to learn it |
| 05:04.12 | xxtjaxx | Manoj whats so funny` |
| 05:04.16 | Manoj | xxtjaxx: too difficult for an old dog like me |
| 05:04.35 | xxtjaxx | aha |
| 05:04.35 | xxtjaxx | ok |
| 05:04.53 | Manoj | xxtjaxx: also, adds an extra dependency. Me, I prefer to use mostly posix commands, + dpkg |
| 05:05.11 | xxtjaxx | Manoj your since first bang and never left huh? |
| 05:05.15 | avin | hmm, do you know how to install languages in programs and windowmakers? i thought locale/ set-lang-env is supposed to do it automatically, well but it doesnt.. |
| 05:05.49 | Manoj | this way, people on !debian (like my friends on freebsd) can still run ./debian/rules for my sources on their machines, right upto the point a .deb would have been created |
| 05:05.53 | gravity | Manoj: Aha, thank you! |
| 05:06.21 | Manoj | gravity: so there is still some value in having old farts like me around :-) |
| 05:06.29 | gravity | Manoj: Hey, I've never been one to complain about it |
| 05:06.39 | xxtjaxx | gravity is it correct?http://pastebin.com/m19b9ce20 |
| 05:07.33 | avin | so can someone help me, plz with the language settings, I want to have full language support for azeri and german:( |
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| 05:08.29 | xxtjaxx | avin type apt-cache search language as root |
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| 05:09.20 | avin | xxtjaxx, ok lots of packages, now? |
| 05:09.48 | streuner_ | avin: Doesnt dpkg-reconfigure locales helped much? |
| 05:10.10 | xxtjaxx | avin be patient an look for the package that is described as german lanuage package and the other azeri or what u said there |
| 05:10.31 | streuner | and whats azeri? |
| 05:10.47 | xxtjaxx | then copy the package names from befor th - and type apt-get install and the package names |
| 05:11.31 | sepult | streuner: asarbaidjanish |
| 05:11.31 | gravity | xxtjaxx: Somewhat. You have a lot of debhelper commands that might not be useful. Things that are commented out that you aren't going to use should be deleted also. |
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| 05:12.03 | xxtjaxx | aha |
| 05:12.17 | dondelelcaro | avin: you can build the locales first, and then you'll want to use LANG=de or similar. Not every package will be translated, but a large number of them should be |
| 05:12.58 | streuner | avin: How much RAM do you have and how fast is the CPU at all, btw? |
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| 05:13.01 | dondelelcaro | avin: the various -de$ packages will also be of use, like manpages-de |
| 05:13.19 | xxtjaxx | gravity do i have to write a man page? |
| 05:13.25 | streuner | sepult: thanks |
| 05:13.53 | gravity | xxtjaxx: For a package to go in to main, yes. Take a look at the debian policy. The lintian tool is essential for auditing your package. |
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| 05:14.07 | xxtjaxx | gravity, what is .PHONY btw i only jknow that one as a swear word like prik |
| 05:14.12 | gravity | hehe |
| 05:14.24 | gravity | xxtjaxx: Take a look at the gnu make manual for phony targets |
| 05:14.44 | xxtjaxx | qaha |
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| 05:14.53 | dondelelcaro | avin: you'd do the same thing with az for Azeri |
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| 05:17.58 | avin_ | re |
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| 05:18.47 | streuner | avin: did you read what we told you the last 5 minutes? |
| 05:18.53 | avin_ | streuner, dpkg-reconfigure i dont want to use, becuase i want system language polish, but user langauge also azeri, that is azerbajdzan language and german |
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| 05:19.07 | streuner | hm |
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| 05:20.58 | dondelelcaro | avin_: you use dpkg-reconfigure locales; to determine which locales are built. You can keep the default as polish |
| 05:21.11 | avin_ | i have no hits for azer (azeri or azerbajdzan) in apt-cache, although set-locale-env gives me possibility to set az (azeri) |
| 05:21.14 | dondelelcaro | avin_: if other people want to use other languages, they can set LANG |
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| 05:22.13 | avin_ | dondelelcaro, lang is set, but for instance, fvwm is still in english or iceweasel has language pack installed but it uses the english one... |
| 05:22.40 | dondelelcaro | avin_: if lang is set, then anything that is trasnlated should be translated |
| 05:23.01 | avin_ | dondelelcaro, i have also the problem with this: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 05:23.18 | dondelelcaro | avin_: that usually means that you haven't built whatever locale you've set LANG to |
| 05:23.26 | avin_ | so, all is set, appart from the var LC_ALL and this error |
| 05:23.40 | dondelelcaro | avin_: run locale; and see what the output is |
| 05:23.42 | avin_ | ah ok, so what I am supposed to do? |
| 05:24.16 | dondelelcaro | avin_: run dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build whatever locale(s) you plan on using. |
| 05:24.16 | avin_ | dondelelcaro, it prints the error i stated and tells the LC vars in my correct language |
| 05:24.23 | sepult | avin_: set for example export LC_CTYPE=C |
| 05:24.27 | avin_ | ah ok i try |
| 05:24.53 | avin_ | sepult, yes i know, LC_CTYPE is also set correctly |
| 05:25.14 | sepult | avin_: then do localeconf and let it build the locales |
| 05:25.25 | sepult | avin_: or locale-gen or so |
| 05:26.50 | avin_ | ok dpkg-reconf. is the solution i installed all the language i needed |
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| 05:27.03 | gaintsura | woo commandline irc.. O.o |
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| 05:29.30 | streuner | needs a coffee now |
| 05:29.40 | streuner | Do 16. Apr 07:29:42 CEST 2009 |
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| 05:31.47 | avin_ | ok guys, now i have a real problem: i installed some languages i use, but if i set all to de (german) via set-lang-env some programs are now turkish! |
| 05:31.49 | gaintsura | 654 packages out of 1306 downoaded.. I think I'll be here for a minute |
| 05:32.11 | avin_ | maybe it's just a feature but i wonder:) |
| 05:32.32 | gaintsura | is it a specific set of programs? |
| 05:33.00 | avin_ | gaintsura, yes, others have correct language |
| 05:34.22 | gaintsura | its probably a problem with those programs, I'd seek out those programs support methods and speak with them |
| 05:34.27 | avin_ | ok, gaintsura, most programs are turkish, even its set to german.. iceweasel is only german (i have downloaded a l10n-de package via apt seperatly) |
| 05:34.55 | dondelelcaro | avin_: did you start those programs from the shell that you ran set-lang-env in? |
| 05:34.55 | gaintsura | perhaps you have the wrong packages? |
| 05:35.01 | gaintsura | that too |
| 05:35.19 | avin_ | well but them are: totem, digi-kam, gimp started turkish as well for the first time but then it showed correct german text |
| 05:35.42 | avin_ | dondelelcaro, no.. maybe thats it, i haven't logged of |
| 05:35.48 | avin_ | ..logged off |
| 05:36.00 | dondelelcaro | avin_: the programs will show whatever language LANG is set to when they are started. So if you have't logged out and logged back in, or started them from a shell that you set LANG in, that's why. |
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| 05:37.28 | legis_ | What's the name of the pkg that adds vi key bindings to man pages? |
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| 05:39.06 | avin_ | ok so thanks very much for your kind help, if anyone of you plan to go on holidays I advise Croatia, Dubrovnik, it amazing there and prices in spring (not season) are accaptable |
| 05:39.13 | avin_ | bye |
| 05:40.24 | dondelelcaro | legis_: uh... less by default has vi-like bindings |
| 05:40.34 | streuner | well, /me knows maybe 1000 places where you can make holidays too :-) |
| 05:40.56 | Riesh | Hi, what file/setting makes that i have colors inside a file like fstab when i edit this with vim? |
| 05:41.44 | legis_ | dondelelcaro: that's the pkg, I didn't had less installed. thanks. |
| 05:43.01 | dondelelcaro | legis_: np. |
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| 05:45.54 | gaintsura | am wishing I hadn't selected the texas location for my packages... 100k/s =( |
| 05:46.07 | dondelelcaro | gaintsura: you can stop and switch |
| 05:46.50 | gaintsura | wont it tell me I need to configure the packages already downloaded first? |
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| 05:47.08 | gaintsura | I used dpkg --set-selections && apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 05:48.12 | dondelelcaro | gaintsura: nah; you can cancel downloading at any time with ^C. |
| 05:48.27 | dondelelcaro | gaintsura: then switch mirrors, run apt-get update; apt-get dselect-upgrade; |
| 05:48.47 | gaintsura | hold |
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| 05:49.32 | gaintsura | know of a speedy one in the mountain time zone area or what the default one is? |
| 05:50.23 | dondelelcaro | gaintsura: mirrors.kernel.org is usually good |
| 05:50.35 | dondelelcaro | gaintsura: but it really depends on what ISP you're at. |
| 05:50.41 | gaintsura | comcasr |
| 05:50.43 | gaintsura | comcast* |
| 05:51.06 | dondelelcaro | yeah; hard to say. You can always try to traceroute to a few mirrors. mirrors.kernel.org I know is relatively fast. |
| 05:51.09 | gaintsura | whats the top most one? |
| 05:51.20 | gaintsura | in the debian list |
| 05:51.34 | dondelelcaro | gaintsura: uh... you don't want to use it; it's almost always slammed. |
| 05:51.47 | gaintsura | ah |
| 05:51.56 | gaintsura | the mirrors.kernel will work for debian? |
| 05:52.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell gaintsura -about mirrors |
| 05:52.34 | gaintsura | thank |
| 05:52.35 | gaintsura | s |
| 05:53.20 | Riesh | OK, found already: ... "syntax on" in vimrc |
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| 05:56.18 | avin | re;), two problems: fvwm-crystal seems not to support my language them, it opens an old version of fvwm, and xfce shows wrong language, even after gdm restart |
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| 05:59.05 | avin | any ideas? |
| 05:59.47 | enouf | avin: maybe update-alternatives --config x-window-manager ? |
| 06:00.03 | enouf | (and other ones there) |
| 06:00.28 | enouf | avin: other than that; /msg dpkg locales |
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| 06:01.17 | streuner | enouf: scroll up, some people try to help 1 hour ago |
| 06:01.19 | enouf | avin: unfortunately a gdm restart doesn't restart the X server fully (as it should) .. don't ask |
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| 06:01.28 | enouf | oh well |
| 06:01.32 | streuner | yeah |
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| 06:02.17 | trupheenix | hi i'm on Ubuntu Hardy. i want to create a Debian Lenny LXDE Live USB stick. how do i do it? |
| 06:02.21 | streuner | He wants to set up a system with multi-languages and every app should support it... |
| 06:02.21 | gaintsura | dondelelcaro: thank you, that did wonders, mit is providing 1-5MB |
| 06:03.02 | streuner | default language polish, and it should support german and azeri as well |
| 06:03.28 | gaintsura | trupheenix: there is a guide to getting a live usb, google is your friend =) |
| 06:03.35 | Manoj | needs to finish converting his fvwm setup into a fvwm theme |
| 06:04.35 | avin | ok i hate doing a system restart, because it a bit lame... anyway i go init 6 and if i have still the language problem i come back |
| 06:04.36 | avin | so long |
| 06:04.42 | trupheenix | gaintsura: i downloaded the .img file. so now i'm confused |
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| 06:05.32 | gaintsura | trupheenix: I don't have a browser available at the moment so I can't really help you, more or less you'd use something like mkusbboot or something of the sort, I can't remember what its called exactly |
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| 06:06.58 | izua | is it possible to have separate icons on each desktop? |
| 06:07.15 | trupheenix | gaintsura: hmmm :| |
| 06:08.45 | tictac | whats an icon? |
| 06:08.54 | gaintsura | whats a desktop? |
| 06:09.25 | enouf | what's a gaint? |
| 06:09.30 | trupheenix | gaintsura: what's a computer? |
| 06:09.37 | izua | what's a bash.org? |
| 06:09.47 | Arrowmaster | whats the meaning of life? |
| 06:09.48 | gaintsura | enouf: its not a what.. its an adjective |
| 06:09.52 | trupheenix | izua: ok we r just fooling... |
| 06:09.53 | gaintsura | Arrowmaster: 46 |
| 06:09.55 | gaintsura | err |
| 06:09.56 | gaintsura | 42 |
| 06:09.59 | enouf | who's on 1st? |
| 06:10.01 | gaintsura | sorry, computer error |
| 06:10.04 | gaintsura | j0 daddeh |
| 06:10.11 | enouf | .. i dunno ... 3rd base :-P |
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| 06:11.07 | enouf | gaintsura: an adjective is a 'what'; and gaint ain't no adjective ; 2 strikes for you |
| 06:11.09 | gaintsura | its about time my packages are finished installing |
| 06:11.09 | trupheenix | hmmm i'm confused on how to use a .img file to create a USB bootable stick on Ubuntu Hardy |
| 06:11.28 | gaintsura | it depends on how you see it enouf |
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| 06:11.39 | gaintsura | and an adjective is not a what its an action or descriptor |
| 06:11.48 | gaintsura | so +4 for me =P |
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| 06:12.06 | izua | but you don't know how to have separate icons in separate desktops |
| 06:12.10 | enouf | actions and descriptors qualify as whats |
| 06:12.13 | izua | so that.s -inf for you. |
| 06:12.22 | enouf | i didn't ask person, place, thing |
| 06:12.46 | gaintsura | anyway its means old |
| 06:12.56 | gaintsura | cryptic language from highschool or so |
| 06:13.02 | enouf | it doesn't mean anything in english :-P |
| 06:13.06 | gaintsura | got that right |
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| 06:14.02 | DavidProck1981 | how can i tell if i can benefit from the insmod nvram, i have a ibm thinkpad t42p |
| 06:14.23 | enouf | ask ##ibmthinkpad |
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| 06:15.07 | avin | ok this is getting really lame, i have done a hard reboot, i have correct languages in my locale but xfce4 is set to the wrong lanuage.. i dont know now.. |
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| 06:15.35 | at0m | gaintsura, enouf, "adjective", as "noun", is just a grammatical term. nothing cryptic or meaningless at all |
| 06:16.10 | enouf | at0m: i think you completely missed our meaningless points :-P |
| 06:16.17 | at0m | oki then =] |
| 06:16.45 | avin | if i start an app like xchat from xfce it's in english if i start it via gnome-terminal it's my language i dont get it... |
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| 06:17.48 | pl4yer0ne | avin, theres different environment variables for terminals and X |
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| 06:17.56 | avin | and i DID hard reboot it (i am running sid, kernel 2.26-1) |
| 06:17.58 | at0m | avin, maybe the system language is english, but you've set gnome language via gnome config.. |
| 06:18.12 | enouf | avin: xfce4 is a DE and likely has all it's own settings, like gnome and kde have - you should seek xfce specific channels/help |
| 06:18.15 | avin | ok pl4yer0ne, what are them? |
| 06:18.17 | pl4yer0ne | oh... maybe not for gnome-terminal though |
| 06:18.36 | avin | ok i go check the channel then:) |
| 06:18.50 | at0m | most of us would know that someone who speaks 2 languages, is bilangual, who speaks 3 languages is trilangual. but how do you call someone who speaks one language? |
| 06:19.00 | enouf | mono |
| 06:19.05 | at0m | american |
| 06:19.06 | avin | lol |
| 06:19.08 | DavidProck1981 | is there any way i can change the path for any kind of internet files you get by surfing the net, to put them in a ram drive |
| 06:19.20 | avin | yep, american:) or british they are also lazy:) |
| 06:19.26 | at0m | ;) |
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| 06:20.13 | enouf | DavidProck1981: setup a ramdisk and put your /tmp on it? silly though |
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| 06:20.47 | Wyzard | Browser cache doesn't go in /tmp though |
| 06:21.07 | enouf | DavidProck1981: or even use tmpfs instead of a ramdisk; caveat is tmpfs files can be swapped out, ramdisk's won't |
| 06:21.11 | DavidProck1981 | my hard drive in my laptop went bad, i even had to pull it out cause it was messing stuff up, So now im running debian off a 8GB usb drive |
| 06:21.30 | enouf | Wyzard: where does it go? |
| 06:21.31 | havocologe | could anybody tip me to a link with something like a tutorial on package building for a recent debian ? |
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| 06:21.51 | Wyzard | enouf: Somewhere in ~/.mozilla, assuming you use a Mozilla-based browser |
| 06:22.09 | DavidProck1981 | enouf can u elaborate on that last comment to me |
| 06:22.09 | enouf | uh .. browser specific then, eh? |
| 06:22.20 | Wyzard | /tmp is (or at least can be) erased on reboot, but browser cache is persistent, so /tmp isn't suitable |
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| 06:23.04 | DavidProck1981 | i use iceweasel Wyzard |
| 06:23.17 | Wyzard | That's Mozilla-based |
| 06:23.20 | gaintsura | woooo configuring |
| 06:23.25 | DavidProck1981 | so what file do i edit |
| 06:23.54 | at0m | havocologe, http://www.debian.org/devel/join/nm-amhowto |
| 06:23.58 | enouf | DavidProck1981: if you're booting and using a USB stick and you have no HDD installed, then you really can't do much about it IMO .. but hey, i'm willing to learn .. so |
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| 06:24.30 | Wyzard | If you're just trying to conserve disk space, it should be possible to just configure the browser not to cache to disk |
| 06:24.54 | soa2ii | Hi there. What is the debian way to get the cron jobs in /etc/cron.daily running? I never had problems with that but on my etch box they seem to be simply ignored... |
| 06:25.23 | at0m | havocologe, disregard that prev. one, see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
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| 06:25.57 | Wyzard | I don't see much in the way of cache control settings in iceweasel's options window, but there may be something in about:config |
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| 06:26.08 | DavidProck1981 | Wyzard like if im watching a video off of hulu.com and i want its buffer to be in the ram |
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| 06:26.11 | enouf | Wyzard: links2 files are stored in RAM, and to clear it, i just use the Flush Cache feature ... i can set how much RAM it uses for images, javascript etc .. so all this about mozilla based storing cache in ~/.mozilla is news to me - but i can say i'm sure KDE's KonqOut does something similar since it's slow as shit |
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| 06:26.41 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: Browsers typically cache to both disk and RAM by default |
| 06:27.01 | Wyzard | enouf: Manually flushing the cache is one thing, but I'm talking about configuring the maximum disk-cache size to be 0 bytes |
| 06:27.03 | havocologe | at0m: that looks like what i am searching for |
| 06:27.08 | avin | ok i have almost the solution: i need this app to my xfce, but i dont know the name and i am not sure its in apt: http://media.ubuntuusers.de/wiki/attachments/03/28/xfce-sprachunterstuetzung.png |
| 06:27.30 | at0m | havocologe, been trying to do some the other day, but dpkg-buildpackage was pretty picky about files in debian/ and I gave up. I wonder what I would need all these docs for, for my own inhouse packages |
| 06:27.37 | enouf | Wyzard: i'm saying it doesn't use disk cache |
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| 06:27.59 | enouf | (links2 that is) |
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| 06:28.31 | Wyzard | I can believe that links2 doesn't do disk caching, but that doesn't help much with iceweasel |
| 06:28.40 | havocologe | at0m: i just want it for easier delivery of a cms. so to get the dependencies that are needed for the correct functionality of the package together in a more "new-user-friendly" way. |
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| 06:28.56 | enouf | right ... browser-specific then ;-) |
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| 06:29.01 | avin | mabye there is no debian packages... but how does xfce know to pick up the system language (which is polish).. i image there is also xfce in english, german, frensh, etc |
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| 06:29.12 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: In about:config in iceweasel, there's a "browser.cache.disk.enable" option which defaults to true... try turning that off |
| 06:29.46 | Wyzard | avin: It probably gets it from the $LANG environment variable |
| 06:30.13 | Wyzard | avin: which on my system is defined in /etc/environment, but I'm not sure what configuration process put it there |
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| 06:31.24 | avin | wow Wyzard you are right, but i want it to be user specific.. maybe i can redifne the LANG for each user, but I doubt it would make sens to put it to bashrc ... |
| 06:31.24 | gaintsura | will bbl, have to finish configs |
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| 06:31.36 | enouf | avin: some things you might try and compare is output of 'printenv' and 'locale' from within each of gnome-terminal, xfce4-whatever, etc |
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| 06:32.45 | avin | ah by the way it is in bashrc to export LANG as my language, but it doesnt.. |
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| 06:33.57 | enouf | avin: it almost seems like you have competing DEs .. (and/or their applet pkgs, addons, etc) .. you can set up xorg.conf to be able to toggle between various languages (if that's what you're after) |
| 06:34.51 | avin | enouf, printenv gives in every terminal the right LANG property |
| 06:34.56 | enouf | otherwise; as root; "update-[tab][tab]" might be enlightening .. in case there's a update-xfce4-alternative/something |
| 06:35.12 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: Interestingly, about:cache gives you info about the current state of your browser's cache |
| 06:35.26 | enouf | like there is for java (update-java-alternatives) .. gah |
| 06:35.53 | enouf | and about:plugins gives info about plugins ;-) |
| 06:36.00 | Wyzard | enouf: about:cache shows which directories are used for disk cache |
| 06:36.01 | avin | oh.. i havent tried yet update-locale |
| 06:36.19 | Wyzard | They are indeed in ~/.mozilla |
| 06:36.36 | enouf | Wyzard: you're starting to remind me of my usage of win98 and mozilla suite then ... heh |
| 06:36.49 | Wyzard | I don't know what's the difference between "disk cache" (50MB limit) and "offline cache" (512MB limit) though |
| 06:37.11 | enouf | offline means disconnected from inet |
| 06:37.38 | avin | enouf, how is xorg to configure for multilanguage? i thought it is just for keybindings and resolution.. |
| 06:37.44 | enouf | so naturally it's much higher amount, since one can't then retrieve newer files, or missing images, etc |
| 06:38.07 | Wyzard | Well, my offline cache is empty, even though disk cache isn't |
| 06:38.13 | Wyzard | so it's not clear when files would be put there |
| 06:38.21 | Wyzard | (can't be *after* going offline; it's too late at that point) |
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| 06:38.41 | AlHafoudh | hi all |
| 06:38.46 | enouf | avin: you set up Xoptions and Xkboptions ... then use alt-shift say to toggle |
| 06:39.01 | simonrvn | to do with sites designated as having been stored in the offline cache. |
| 06:39.12 | AlHafoudh | root filesystem is mounted after modules are loaded? i need to mount nfs root, how to do that in debian? i get Kernel panic not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block error |
| 06:39.18 | Wyzard | aha: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Online/Offline_Events |
| 06:39.23 | enouf | Wyzard: try it ;-) .. and it mean File -> Offline mode or whatever it's called |
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| 06:39.34 | Wyzard | I know what offline mode is |
| 06:39.42 | avin | enouf, but this will not change the language xfce writes the text, will it? |
| 06:39.58 | enouf | offline mode is not after going offline |
| 06:40.12 | avin | i mean like the xfce menu and this sort of crap.. |
| 06:40.13 | Wyzard | Well, it means to act as if offline |
| 06:40.17 | enouf | avin: i have no idea; i don't use xfce |
| 06:40.19 | DavidProck1981 | Wyzard how did u find out about those about: commands |
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| 06:40.33 | Wyzard | epiphany even changes it automatically based on network connect/disconnect events from NetworkManager (via dbus) |
| 06:40.37 | avin | lol, enouf, gee man, cheers, that helped me |
| 06:41.00 | avin | well i have to tell my useres to use fluxbox:) |
| 06:41.03 | enouf | avin: i have no idea what your end goal is mate |
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| 06:41.03 | at0m | AlHafoudh, did you follow that tut? |
| 06:41.05 | simonrvn | we don't know everything |
| 06:41.09 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: I'd heard of about:config somewhere previously, and just opened it up and looked through for cache-related items |
| 06:41.32 | AlHafoudh | at0m: yes i did |
| 06:41.39 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: found browser.cache.disk.enable, googled it, and found a page that mentioned about:cache (which I hadn't heard of before) |
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| 06:41.50 | avin | enouf, multilanguage supported system.. i want debian to talko to me in azeri, english, german, polish, turkish for starters:) |
| 06:41.56 | avin | thats the goal:) |
| 06:42.03 | simonrvn | about:cache?type=disk or something ;). |
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| 06:42.44 | avin | ok xfce get lost, but why do the ubuntu users have this tool to set language for xfce and debian doesnt? thats what i am not getting |
| 06:42.48 | enouf | AlHafoudh: IINM, you need to set that option in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf NFSROOT= ... then run update-initramfs |
| 06:42.50 | Wyzard | Anyway, it looks like "offline cache" is for AJAX applications that want to support working offline |
| 06:43.04 | enouf | AlHafoudh: also look at the settings in /etc/default/nfs* |
| 06:43.20 | at0m | AlHafoudh, like in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf replace BOOT=local with BOOT=nfs, then /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686_netboot and copy to the tftp root dir. then also refer to that from dhcp config, and restart the tftp and dhcp services from /etc/init.d/ |
| 06:43.32 | enouf | avin: lofty goal .. hope you attain it ;-) |
| 06:43.32 | AlHafoudh | enouf: yeah, but i think that nfs module is not loaded before the root wants to mount |
| 06:43.50 | AlHafoudh | at0m: i exactly did that |
| 06:44.07 | enouf | AlHafoudh: try something like rootdelay=20 |
| 06:44.33 | avin | ah well, i will fight on my own from this point and google it, google ("the oracle") is the right thing here.. so thanks and bye |
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| 06:45.22 | AlHafoudh | how should be /etc/fstab configured? |
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| 06:45.37 | at0m | AlHafoudh, apparently that's not needed. denken from #debian on efnet wrote that tut on http://www.pixelchaos.net/2009/02/15/diskless-booting-with-pxe-and-nfs/ , he claimed that i didnt need to rebuild my kernel |
| 06:46.23 | trupheenix | wow!! Debian Lenny with LXDE is blazing fast. I'm ditching GNOME!!! |
| 06:46.36 | havocologe | at0m: do you maybe have anything on not building binary packages but something like source-packages? need it only for delivery of some website-files |
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| 06:47.26 | at0m | havocologe, nope.. but in google > Advanced > last year |
| 06:47.50 | DavidProck1981 | how mant MB is 24576 KiB |
| 06:48.14 | at0m | reboots frontend after PXE server reconfig |
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| 06:48.49 | enouf | DavidProck1981: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/prefixes.html |
| 06:49.37 | enouf | DavidProck1981: er .. this one is more apropos http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html |
| 06:51.13 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: 1MiB == 1024 kiB, so 24576 kiB is 24 MiB exactly |
| 06:51.15 | DavidProck1981 | is KiB the same as KB ? |
| 06:51.19 | Wyzard | yes |
| 06:51.25 | Wyzard | well, sort of |
| 06:51.32 | enouf | ... |
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| 06:51.59 | Wyzard | Strictly speaking a "kilobyte" should be 1000 bytes, just like a kilogram is 1000 grams and a kilometer is 1000 meters |
| 06:52.10 | Wyzard | but historically a kilobyte is 1024 bytes (2^10) |
| 06:52.29 | Wyzard | The kibibyte (kiB) is an attempt to resolve that ambiguity |
| 06:52.36 | enouf | well said |
| 06:52.42 | Wyzard | 1kiB == 1024 bytes; 1kb == 1000 bytes |
| 06:52.49 | DavidProck1981 | how can i change that 24576 KiB to be 100MB |
| 06:52.52 | rafuch0 | hi every1 |
| 06:52.58 | Wyzard | but it hasn't really caught on widely, so "kilobyte" is still ambiguous |
| 06:52.59 | enouf | but why is it Mebi instead of Mibi :-P |
| 06:53.38 | enouf | i know ... mega is m + e + g + a ... but still :-) |
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| 06:53.50 | Wyzard | thinks "kibibyte" sounds like a brand of dog food |
| 06:54.00 | enouf | or Cereal :-) |
| 06:54.02 | simonrvn | hehe, it does |
| 06:54.35 | enouf | or .. have i been eating dogfood for breakfast? O_o |
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| 06:55.24 | rafuch0 | i was wonder if you guys can give some ideasabout this i have two pcs whit debian off course whit / swap /home and i was wondering if i can make like a mirror disk whi this everything i write in one copys in the other any ideas something li9ke a raid 1 |
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| 06:55.56 | simonrvn | rafuch0: you mean have them be synced? |
| 06:56.12 | Wyzard | rafuch0: http://www.drbd.org/ perhaps |
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| 06:56.40 | rafuch0 | yeap but only /home partitions |
| 06:56.40 | Wyzard | or set up one as an NFS server and mount it from the other |
| 06:57.22 | rafuch0 | nfs cut be an option ... |
| 06:57.45 | enouf | s/cut/could/ |
| 06:58.34 | rafuch0 | network based raid-1. |
| 06:58.41 | rafuch0 | souns good |
| 06:59.11 | AlHafoudh | enouf: i tried whole tut also the rootdelay, no change :( i would appreciate more verbose output :( |
| 06:59.34 | Riesh | Hi ... when i use the command "free" to see the reported amount of memory; is the first number in the column 'total' the amount of RAM only or from RAM+Swap ? |
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| 06:59.56 | Wyzard | rafuch0: If your goal is to actually have two copies of the data in case one disk fails, you'd need something like DRBD, but if you just want the files to appear in both places so you can access them from either machine, NFS would be better |
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| 07:00.25 | enouf | AlHafoudh: in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf is the correct iface configured? and .. are you attempting pxe/tftp booting? |
| 07:00.35 | Wyzard | rafuch0: Since DRBD works at the block-device level, you can't mount the filesystem on both machines at the same time or you'd damage it |
| 07:00.47 | enouf | AlHafoudh: and i haven't seen the tut |
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| 07:01.21 | DavidProck1981 | Wyzard thanks for your help ! |
| 07:01.21 | AlHafoudh | enouf: yes, pxe, the pxe side is ok, the pxe will load kernel, vmlinuz and initrd, then, the initrd fails because of that "Kernel panic not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block" error |
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| 07:02.09 | enouf | !can't mount root |
| 07:02.10 | dpkg | If you can't mount the root file system when you boot your custom kernel, it means you have failed to include support for either: (a) your root file system (e.g. ext3), or (b) your disk controller (IDE, SCSI, etc.). These cannot be modules, unless you use an initrd. Go check your config again. or make sure your bootloader knows about your initrd |
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| 07:03.11 | trupheenix | tried booting the live USB stick. it didn't work. :( |
| 07:03.17 | enouf | AlHafoudh: is there any LVM or mdadm or anything involved? |
| 07:03.25 | AlHafoudh | no no |
| 07:03.35 | rafuch0 | wow been honest i am not running like a sever that needs copies of the data in case one disk fail but at the same time that drbd sounds like something really cool to learn but you are right the bestb choice would be nfs indeed ..... |
| 07:03.37 | AlHafoudh | the root FS is on nfs |
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| 07:04.45 | Wyzard | rafuch0: You could defend against disk failure *and* have the files accessible on both machines simultaneously by using NFS and an ordinary RAID array on the NFS server |
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| 07:06.38 | rafuch0 | thanks Wyzard very helpful |
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| 07:08.22 | enouf | AlHafoudh: all i can say for now is ~$ rgrep -i nfs /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ |
| 07:09.38 | AlHafoudh | http://dragoran.pastebin.com/me9360c7 |
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| 07:10.51 | enouf | AlHafoudh: i think you grepped the wrong file ;-) |
| 07:11.01 | AlHafoudh | yeah |
| 07:11.17 | enouf | AlHafoudh: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1393608 |
| 07:11.30 | AlHafoudh | yes, i have somethink like that |
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| 07:11.48 | enouf | and .. you likely want to specify Host:Mount in your paste, rather than auto |
| 07:12.05 | AlHafoudh | but i set that up in boot arguments |
| 07:12.14 | enouf | ok |
| 07:12.44 | Gun_Smoke | full reboot required after editing /etc/hostname ? |
| 07:13.33 | aaron | hey can someone help me how do i reconfigure xorg automaticly? |
| 07:13.44 | Gun_Smoke | dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 07:14.07 | aaron | i'm actually was using this tool xdebconfigurator but it does not paste the output of my normal xorg.conf |
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| 07:14.10 | rafuch0 | Wyzard: do you knoe some book tutorial article from i can start.. |
| 07:14.27 | xlotlu | rafuch0: http://wiki.debian.org/kristian_jerpetjoen |
| 07:14.31 | DanDare | aaron, i usualy install xorg metapackage and it just works |
| 07:14.59 | aaron | DanDare: how did you? |
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| 07:15.08 | gaintsura | I was previously using the envy-ng drivers on my system to get compiz effects working, though it seems it does not exist on debian (they did on ubuntu, I know). how can I get the advanced rendering setup? |
| 07:15.23 | aaron | DanDare: what's the xorg metapackage call so i can see if i have it so i can install it |
| 07:15.36 | gaintsura | err wait, wouldn't it be as easy as copying my old xorg config to my new one? |
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| 07:15.50 | efaistos | is there still a meta package for gnome ? |
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| 07:15.57 | gaintsura | gnome or gnome-desktop |
| 07:16.10 | Gun_Smoke | aaron, http://tinyurl.com/c3gflz |
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| 07:16.49 | DanDare | aaron: in etch i just do apt-get install xorg |
| 07:16.57 | Raging_Hog | How can I get a list of packages that I have explicitly installed myself? |
| 07:17.32 | rafuch0 | xlotlu: thx that is awsome :) |
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| 07:17.41 | gaintsura | DanDare: same in lenny |
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| 07:18.02 | DanDare | ok thanks |
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| 07:19.34 | gtx | http://paste.debian.net/33635/ |
| 07:19.34 | simonrvn | Raging_Hog: in aptitude just search for stuff not marked A |
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| 07:20.30 | Gun_Smoke | simonrvn, wouldn't that miss dependencies? |
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| 07:22.10 | Riesh | in debian/sid: why vim behaves like vi ? ... when i go into edit mode and press the down-arrow it prints a B and inserts a new line |
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| 07:22.58 | simonrvn | Riesh: set nocp |
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| 07:23.24 | simonrvn | Riesh: turns off compatibility mode. |
| 07:23.26 | Riesh | simonrvn: just in the shell ? |
| 07:23.31 | Raging_Hog | simonrvn: Thanks, I'll check that out |
| 07:23.39 | Riesh | or in vim ? |
| 07:24.10 | Raging_Hog | Riesh: in vim, but you probably want it in your ~/.vimrc |
| 07:24.33 | Riesh | aha ... ok ok ... will try that |
| 07:24.34 | xlotlu | rafuch0: yeah, that's fun to setup, but you'd make better use of the free space on the second machine by doing incremental rsync backups, and using nfs for network access |
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| 07:26.44 | simonrvn | in vim, .vimrc |
| 07:26.46 | Raging_Hog | If someone was interested, this command shows all explicitly installed packages aptitude search '~i' | grep -v "^i A" |
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| 07:28.30 | simonrvn | Raging_Hog: nice. you could probably do that with just aptitude |
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| 07:31.50 | enouf | Raging_Hog: it would appear you're asking aptitude to show all Installed, and omitting all marked Auto with the grep -v .. curious if dependent pkgs of a manually installed one are considered "auto" .. also metapackages will mark everything as auto (for ex; the 'aptitude install gnome') |
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| 07:32.52 | Raging_Hog | simonrvn: I thought so too, but don't have enough experience with it |
| 07:32.58 | simonrvn | enouf: i think they might be, but i'm not 100% sure |
| 07:33.27 | Raging_Hog | enouf: Yes, I'm seeing all kinds of lib stuff I don't recall installing (explicitly) |
| 07:33.41 | enouf | simonrvn: righto .. no worries .. i don't use aptitude ;-) |
| 07:33.44 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.56 | enouf | Raging_Hog: ahh |
| 07:34.03 | simonrvn | enouf: you don't? i thought you did. |
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| 07:34.11 | gtx | http://paste.debian.net/33635/ |
| 07:34.21 | enouf | simonrvn: huh? apt-get all the way babay! ;-) |
| 07:34.36 | simonrvn | gtx: and we're supposed to do what with that? |
| 07:34.48 | enouf | gtx: how about some text too |
| 07:35.33 | gtx | apt-get update apt-get upgrade error is |
| 07:35.53 | gtx | http://paste.debian.net/33635/ |
| 07:36.01 | enouf | gtx: from what to what? and when? why? how? |
| 07:36.27 | enouf | and what have you done to your sources.list? |
| 07:36.41 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 07:36.50 | gtx | -.- |
| 07:36.55 | enouf | still hasn't looked at the pastebin ;-) |
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| 07:37.39 | simonrvn | the postinst has a bug. gtx, file a bug report. |
| 07:37.48 | enouf | rests for a while .. |
| 07:38.09 | simonrvn | check the BTS *first* |
| 07:38.11 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 07:38.12 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges>. |
| 07:38.21 | gtx | http://paste.debian.net/33641/ |
| 07:39.10 | simonrvn | gtx: seems ok, but you should track a mirror near you |
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| 07:39.32 | simonrvn | ftp.d.o is already overloaded, and the admins there ask people to *not* use it. |
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| 07:40.44 | gtx | mirror italian are not always upgraded |
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| 07:41.00 | Madsy | How can I list the dependencies for an upgrade? The update manager wants me to enable "smart upgrade", but I don't find a way to check what's causing the conflict before upgrading. |
| 07:41.05 | gtx | and so i've set ftp.d.org |
| 07:41.35 | simonrvn | gtx: .nl one is ok, so's .uk, and some others around there |
| 07:42.34 | miro_dietiker | heya, calling hostname --fqdn doesn't give me a fqdn but only hostname. where do i need to specify the fqdn? |
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| 07:42.59 | simonrvn | /etc/hosts usually |
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| 07:43.23 | et | miro_dietiker: man 1 domainname? |
| 07:43.59 | miro_dietiker | et no entry .... hostname states about dnsdomainname |
| 07:44.20 | miro_dietiker | while dnsdomainname -a shows correct fqdn... |
| 07:45.00 | miro_dietiker | but dnsdomainname -d doesn't show anything |
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| 07:50.57 | simonrvn | nope |
| 07:51.43 | aaron | hey anyone in here that knows about xdebconfigurator |
| 07:52.50 | aaron | when i type xdebconfigurator i just get my information but how do i pass it to a .txt extension? |
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| 07:54.38 | miro_dietiker | may you pass me some hint where to understand command interaction on debian (hostname, dnsdomainname) -- man doesn't state where it's sourcing information |
| 07:54.59 | dondelelcaro | miro_dietiker: the hostname comes from /etc/hostname. (and is set using hostname) |
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| 07:55.30 | miro_dietiker | dondelecaro - specified as fqdn in /etc/hostname? |
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| 07:55.41 | dondelelcaro | miro_dietiker: the domain name is what is returned from gethostbyname |
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| 07:55.44 | trupheenix | is iceweasel the same as firefox? then how do i get hold of firefox? |
| 07:55.48 | dondelelcaro | miro_dietiker: no, just the hostname in /etc/hostname |
| 07:56.04 | dondelelcaro | miro_dietiker: the FQDN you get by setting /etc/hosts properly, or having your DNS properly configured |
| 07:56.07 | spook_ | Bleh. Why does X in Lenny completely ignore xorg.conf ? |
| 07:56.10 | simonrvn | 03:42 < simonrvn> /etc/hosts usually |
| 07:56.18 | dondelelcaro | spook_: uh... it doesn't? |
| 07:56.45 | spook_ | Well, it's doing something wrong, so far as I can tell. |
| 07:56.53 | trupheenix | is iceweasel same as firefox? |
| 07:57.10 | spook_ | I installed etch, and got everything working in 1280x1024, no problems at all |
| 07:57.24 | spook_ | Install lenny, it comes up with screen resolutions that don't even make sense |
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| 07:57.49 | spook_ | i grab the xorg.conf from the previous etch install, and it apparently ignores it and keeps coming up with nonsense. |
| 07:58.30 | simonrvn | you sure you named it correctly and put in the right dir? |
| 07:58.34 | spook_ | yes |
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| 07:58.55 | spook_ | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 07:59.00 | dondelelcaro | spook_: then best to show us your Xorg.0.log and your xorg.conf |
| 07:59.10 | spook_ | gimme a sec |
| 07:59.31 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 08:00.26 | miro_dietiker | dondelelcarlo - man hostname states to contain "ip canonical aliases" whereas my dnsdomainname -a shows the aliased hostname as fqdn... and as i understood "canonical" is hostname only in hosts? |
| 08:00.38 | o2T7 | Hi, I can see a lot of oobasis3.0-* packages at my squeeze repositories, but I can't find the equivalent to the soffice binary (version 2). Is the main program included in the repositories? or there are only modules for OpenOffice 3 in debian's repositories? |
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| 08:04.08 | spook_ | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/33644 and http://paste.debian.net/33645 |
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| 08:04.53 | dondelelcaro | miro_dietiker: huh? I'm not following you |
| 08:05.34 | miro_dietiker | huh... as of man resolv.conf .... there's a "domain" line possibly getting used for this? |
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| 08:07.59 | miro_dietiker | dondelelcarlo - i'm just trying to find & check all information for "properly configured" hosts and dns system... |
| 08:08.26 | trupheenix | i'm downloading the ISO image for the CD. any way to boot this from a USB stick? |
| 08:08.51 | dondelelcaro | miro_dietiker: assuming hostname; and hostname --fqdn; return what you expect them to, then the it's configured properly |
| 08:08.51 | dondelelcaro | trupheenix: Yes. See the installation guide. |
| 08:08.58 | trupheenix | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 08:08.58 | miro_dietiker | hehe... but it doesn't ;-) |
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| 08:10.44 | dondelelcaro | spook_: it's reading the config file fine. I'm not sure why it's choosing 1152x768, but that's the default configuration for whatever intel card that is. |
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| 08:11.03 | dondelelcaro | spook_: see what xrandr; outputs, and that can tell you what resolutions you can switch to. |
| 08:11.20 | spook_ | it gives me a list of resolutions i don't want |
| 08:11.43 | dondelelcaro | miro_then your next step is to provide us the contents of /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts, and the output of hostname; and hostname --fqdn, as well as what you expect it to output. |
| 08:12.01 | dondelelcaro | s/miro_/miro_dietiker: / |
| 08:12.18 | dondelelcaro | spook_: does it include 1280x1024 as a valid resolution? |
| 08:12.24 | spook_ | No. |
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| 08:12.49 | spook_ | The highest it gives is 1280x960 |
| 08:12.49 | dondelelcaro | spook_: then for whatever reason, it thinks that 1280x1024 is an invalid resolution for your monitor, and therefor won't select it. |
| 08:12.58 | spook_ | dondelelcaro: so it's broken |
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| 08:13.07 | spook_ | because it worked without a hitch in etch |
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| 08:13.52 | spook_ | This is the same monitor on both machines, on this box, it's 1280x1024 |
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| 08:14.03 | dondelelcaro | spook_: or you haven't specified the HSync and VSync properly, or your monitor needs some odd modeline, or your monitor doesn't report what it is properly |
| 08:14.05 | spook_ | on etch on that other machine, it'll also do 1280x1024 |
| 08:14.19 | dondelelcaro | spook_: have you tried it with the default xorg.conf? |
| 08:14.21 | spook_ | yes |
| 08:14.26 | dondelelcaro | spook_: and what happens then? |
| 08:14.31 | spook_ | same as now |
| 08:14.53 | dondelelcaro | spook_: it only supports up to 1280x960? what monitor is this? |
| 08:15.29 | spook_ | it's a sampo alphascan 712, currently running at 1280x1024 @ 60hz |
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| 08:17.14 | miro_dietiker | dondelelcaro :) ... now found it... there where columns swapped in /etc/hosts ....... |
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| 08:19.44 | dondelelcaro | spook_: ok, it looks like you have the wrong HorizSync and VertRefresh for that monitor |
| 08:20.01 | spook_ | how is that possible? |
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| 08:20.35 | dondelelcaro | spook_: where did you get those numbers from? |
| 08:20.54 | spook_ | i installed etch on the test machine, and that's how it configured xorg.conf |
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| 08:21.09 | spook_ | and it was fine then, worked without a flaw |
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| 08:21.25 | dondelelcaro | well, it probably guessed them, and whatever modeline it was using may not be in the lenny xorg anymore |
| 08:21.36 | spook_ | wtf... |
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| 08:21.39 | lxsameer | how can i find the package that contains an specific file? |
| 08:21.47 | spook_ | alright, so what do i set them to? |
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| 08:21.54 | miro_dietiker | thanks all |
| 08:22.23 | dondelelcaro | spook_: supposedly, 30-70 for HorizSync and 50-160 for VertRefresh, but you should check the owners manual for your moniotr |
| 08:22.31 | dondelelcaro | !tell lxsameer -about search |
| 08:23.37 | spook_ | I haven't got one. |
| 08:23.43 | spook_ | This doesn't make sense at all. |
| 08:23.47 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 08:24.17 | spook_ | i'm looking at the xorg.conf on my main box and the test machine, and they have the same values for the monitor HorizSync and VertRefresh |
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| 08:28.10 | remoteCTR1 | hi all! |
| 08:28.47 | remoteCTR1 | i have just downloaded adobes acrobat reader, which nowadays comes as a .bin file, what the heck do i do with that? |
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| 08:30.39 | dondelelcaro | remoteCTR1: you're better off using the acroread packages from debian-multimedia.org |
| 08:30.47 | dondelelcaro | (and even better off not using acroread at all) |
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| 08:32.06 | remoteCTR1 | dondelelcaro: i am afraid i dont have much freedom of choice there, its bosses laptop and he wants to have it... |
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| 08:32.25 | dondelelcaro | install evince and acroread, and see which he uses |
| 08:32.44 | remoteCTR1 | dondelelcaro: he uses acroread |
| 08:32.50 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 08:33.07 | remoteCTR1 | dondelelcaro: so what do i do with that .bin file? |
| 08:33.08 | Manoj | isn't6 acrorread non-free? |
| 08:33.18 | streuner | !dmm |
| 08:33.20 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 08:33.21 | remoteCTR1 | just putting it into /usr/bin does no job... |
| 08:33.23 | dondelelcaro | Manoj: so much so that we can't even distribute it. |
| 08:33.33 | streuner | Manoj: from Marillat... |
| 08:33.49 | dondelelcaro | remoteCTR1: again, use the acroread packages from debian-multimedia.org; otherwise, try asking adobe for support. |
| 08:34.11 | dondelelcaro | honestly doesn't want to support either approach, so that's all I'll say about it |
| 08:34.27 | remoteCTR1 | dondelelcaro: ok let me put the question more generic; what do you usually do with .bin files? |
| 08:34.33 | dondelelcaro | remoteCTR1: I delete them |
| 08:34.39 | streuner | haha |
| 08:34.43 | remoteCTR1 | gawd... |
| 08:34.47 | remoteCTR1 | ya thanks |
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| 08:34.59 | cahoot | remoteCTR1: they tend to come with a README |
| 08:35.00 | spook_ | remoteCTR1: did you try executing the .bin ? |
| 08:35.09 | spook_ | it's probably an installer of some kind |
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| 08:35.52 | dondelelcaro | honestly, I don't run random binaries or scripts on my systems when I can avoid it... and it's already packaged for you, there's no reason to touch their .bin |
| 08:36.07 | remoteCTR1 | cahoot: nope its a simple .bnin with nothing else and spook sure did, asks me with which app to open it |
| 08:36.10 | dondelelcaro | (who knows what files it's going to stomp on or delete or otherwise destroy) |
| 08:36.33 | spook_ | remoteCTR1: how did you try to execute it? |
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| 08:37.11 | remoteCTR1 | spook_: first by doubleclicking it |
| 08:37.20 | spook_ | oh god |
| 08:37.28 | remoteCTR1 | then i tried to sh it in bash both to no use |
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| 08:37.47 | remoteCTR1 | the i put it into /usr/bin and looked if alt +f2 found it |
| 08:37.53 | remoteCTR1 | didnt |
| 08:38.00 | spook_ | treat it like an actual binary and just go to the dir it's in then type ./foo.bin |
| 08:38.12 | remoteCTR1 | yeah right aw gawd |
| 08:38.19 | remoteCTR1 | spook_: i already did that |
| 08:38.21 | cahoot | remoteCTR1: as a side note: don't put things in /usr/bin |
| 08:38.32 | remoteCTR1 | cahoot: why not? |
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| 08:40.42 | remoteCTR1 | you might have seen yet that i am a bit of a noob so i am grateful for any kind of explanations... |
| 08:40.45 | cahoot | remoteCTR1: keep your manual activities to /usr/local and/or /opt or possibly $HOME/.bin - leave the rest to debians package manager |
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| 08:42.02 | Chris-NB | hi |
| 08:42.20 | Chris-NB | how can I show which scripts get started/killed in which runlevel? |
| 08:42.21 | remoteCTR1 | cahoot: i see, thanks |
| 08:42.29 | cahoot | remoteCTR1: but -as said above - is to abstain from 'manual installs' |
| 08:42.38 | cahoot | add a best there |
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| 08:44.59 | remoteCTR1 | cahoot: already installedd that m,ultimedia keyring and added the sources so lets see if it finds acroread now... |
| 08:45.20 | remoteCTR1 | and yes it does :) |
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| 08:47.36 | remoteCTR1 | ok thanks for the help guys! |
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| 08:54.39 | at0m | Chris-NB, see /etc/rc*.d , and there's a tool to edit these which i cant remember now.. |
| 08:55.50 | Chris-NB | at0m, jep, with ls -la /etc/rc*.d |grep <whatever> I can see in which runlevel an wich priority <whatever> gets started/killed |
| 08:56.02 | at0m | indeed |
| 08:56.02 | Chris-NB | at0m, the tool to edit is update-rc.d |
| 08:56.17 | at0m | thanks :) |
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| 08:56.34 | Chris-NB | at0m, but, is there a tool to list the runlevels with processes directly? |
| 08:56.56 | toabctl | i build a deb-package (python with distutils and setup.py) and want to know, how i can write the config-files to /etc. actually when i build the package, the config files are in /usr/share/python-support/package/... |
| 08:57.17 | Chris-NB | at0m, I thought my ls -la /etc/rc*.d |grep <whatever> is only a workaround due to lack of knowing a better way : ) |
| 08:57.17 | toabctl | btw, hi all |
| 08:57.44 | at0m | Chris-NB, the console app i was thinking of showed a list system processes and columns with runlevels, you can enable/disable each per runlevel, but cant think of the name.. |
| 08:58.15 | Chris-NB | at0m, okay. that's exactly what I'm looking for : ) |
| 08:58.41 | at0m | anyone? :) |
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| 08:58.59 | at0m | goes back to work |
| 08:59.00 | sep | i have upgraded a samba+openldap machine to lenny. and now i see many samba issues and the log is full of lines like | slapd[2115]: conn=1501 op=0 BIND dn="cn=sambaadmin,ou=People,dc=skole,dc=no" method=128 | slapd[2115]: conn=1501 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=13 text=confidentiality required | this was not a problem with etch, anyone have a clue to what can be wrong ? |
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| 09:00.33 | caraconan | Hi. After do a 'usermod -G new_group user', there's a way to change take effect without exit and login again? Thanks |
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| 09:04.11 | aredhel | caraconan, no, the closest you can get to that is doing a "su user" in a term and then running the program that needs the extra privaleges. |
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| 09:04.50 | caraconan | 1 seg |
| 09:05.39 | caraconan | ok, thanks aredhel |
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| 09:06.05 | aredhel | your welcome. |
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| 09:16.06 | enouf | Chris-NB: /msg dpkg rcconf ; /msg dpkg sysv-rc-conf |
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| 09:16.50 | enouf | aredhel: you should've man newgrp prior ;-) |
| 09:17.07 | Chris-NB | enouf, okay, thanks. I'll look at that |
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| 09:17.26 | enouf | np |
| 09:18.21 | cheshair | anyone still struggling with gnome missing dependencies in debian sid? |
| 09:19.06 | Eulex | cheshair, did you check the bts? |
| 09:19.29 | Eulex | in any case, gnome being a little broken in sid is kinda normal. |
| 09:19.38 | enouf | heh |
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| 09:22.33 | cheshair | Eulex: i haven't checked the bts recently. i'll do it immediately. i know the unstable nature of unstable, however this is the very first time my sid os is really a bit broken: while trying to upgrade a lot of packages are "kept back". mainly: "capplets-data gconf2-common gnome-applets gnome-applets-data gnome-core ..." |
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| 09:23.51 | cheshair | Eulex: as a result i had to downgrade a few packages to have my gnome back running. the gnome speaker icon in the tray, rhythmbox and few other things are still broken though |
| 09:24.27 | cheshair | Eulex: i was just curious to know if anybody else is sharing this situation |
| 09:25.00 | Eulex | the correct place to 'share' the situation would be the bts |
| 09:26.09 | Eulex | if something really is broken, it could be some transition going on, I'm not familiar with the current situation of gnome in unstable |
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| 09:28.41 | enouf | sep: no friggin clue, but take a look at /etc/default/samba and if it exists; /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/samba .. and files referenced within |
| 09:28.44 | cheshair | Eulex: thank you very much for your help, i appreciate it, i'm currently having a look into the bts |
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| 09:30.31 | JohnDeo | Hi! I'm trying to install Debian Testing on ASUS F3Sg notebook via netinstall, but I get only 'No kernel modules were found'. I've tryied two different isos. Don't know how to solve this, never seen this error before. |
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| 09:31.01 | beli | hi i have kept back packages....what to do now? |
| 09:31.07 | sep | enouf, noting out of the ordinary there. but thanks for taking the bother to answer :) |
| 09:31.17 | enouf | JohnDeo: loop mount the ISO and see if there are indeed modules within |
| 09:31.45 | jelly | !why is xfce4-settings not in testing |
| 09:31.45 | dpkg | xfce4-settings is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xfce4-settings |
| 09:32.03 | Eulex | cheshair, just keep in mind that using sid as a normal desktop will not be an as smooth experience as a released OS, that things may break (and you get to keep the pieces). the normal stance in this channel is that unstable is not supported here, and that matters regarding it should be taken care of via the bts. |
| 09:32.24 | beli | here is the output of apt-get upgrade --> http://rafb.net/p/gXdNdE95.html |
| 09:32.30 | enouf | JohnDeo: unless, you burned it incorrectly? can you tell us the exact name of ISOs you have? and where you got them from? ... or is that error saying "No kernel module ..." was found for a specific device? |
| 09:33.13 | enouf | jelly: heh .. was that in response to avin from some time back? |
| 09:33.21 | jelly | enouf: no |
| 09:33.37 | enouf | jelly: ok |
| 09:33.42 | JohnDeo | enouf: I found linux-modules-di-i386-2.6 and linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6 and bunch of deb with 'module' in names. |
| 09:33.43 | jelly | is just too lazy to /msg dpkg |
| 09:34.01 | Eulex | JohnDeo, what exact netinstaller image are you trying to use? |
| 09:34.01 | JohnDeo | enouf: The iso is named debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 09:34.15 | cheshair | Eulex: i perfectly see, that makes sense, thanks again. i'll try and get more acquainted with the bts |
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| 09:34.15 | enouf | jelly: [02:41:19] <avin> ok xfce get lost, but why do the ubuntu users have this tool to set language for xfce and debian doesnt? thats what i am not getting |
| 09:34.30 | enouf | jelly: approx 3 hrs ago |
| 09:34.36 | aredhel | enouf, newgrp is about the same su to the current user. It's only benefit is not asking for your password again. |
| 09:35.07 | enouf | JohnDeo: do a find for .ko files |
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| 09:36.11 | JohnDeo | enouf: I used images from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/squeeze_d-i/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ and from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/20090415-3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 09:36.19 | enouf | aredhel: actually not, in the sense that it spawns a subshell from the shell you're in .. but i don't want to argue |
| 09:36.32 | beli | noone can tell what to do having "kept back packages"? |
| 09:36.48 | enouf | JohnDeo: ok, so daily builds might be broken .. try a weekly image |
| 09:37.21 | Eulex | beli, you can see what happens if you try to upgrade it manually. |
| 09:37.26 | JohnDeo | enouf: Didn't find any *.ko files. Where can I find a weekly image? |
| 09:37.29 | enouf | JohnDeo: also .. how far along do you get into the boot process? |
| 09:37.32 | Eulex | beli, also, you're on etch, right? |
| 09:37.49 | Eulex | bbl |
| 09:37.51 | beli | Eulex: its what i get when i try to do apt-get update |
| 09:37.55 | enouf | JohnDeo: have you run Check Integrity option at the boot prompt? |
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| 09:38.16 | JohnDeo | enouf: The error pops right after cd-rom detection. |
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| 09:38.27 | beli | Eulex: yes its etch and i want to stay with it |
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| 09:38.29 | enouf | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 09:38.30 | JohnDeo | enouf: Yes, I've tried, the cd seems ok. |
| 09:38.56 | Eulex | beli, you mean upgrade |
| 09:39.09 | enouf | oh .. is that an eeepc? /msg dpkg eeepc (perhaps) .. i'm not familiar with Asus make/models |
| 09:39.11 | beli | s/update/upgrade/ .........right |
| 09:39.24 | beli | here is the output of apt-get upgrade --> http://rafb.net/p/gXdNdE95.html |
| 09:39.34 | Eulex | beli, what if you upgrade the package manually? that is, apt-get install pkgname? |
| 09:39.45 | JohnDeo | enouf: Can't find netinstall there. |
| 09:39.56 | enouf | hrm .. ok, one sec |
| 09:40.07 | enouf | !squeeze netinstall |
| 09:40.17 | beli | Eulex: i dont want the package....shall i install and remove? |
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| 09:40.34 | Eulex | beli, if you don't want nor need it, just remove it |
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| 09:41.24 | beli | Eulex: seems to be fixed...so apt is holding it back because of some install problems? |
| 09:42.38 | Eulex | beli, as you're running apt-get upgrade, it may also be that to upgrade the package you would need to remove or install other packages |
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| 09:42.50 | enouf | JohnDeo: welp; looks like you'll either want to try the weekly-build cd1 or install Lenny and upgrade |
| 09:43.19 | beli | Eulex: i guess it had missing deps... |
| 09:43.36 | JohnDeo | enouf: I'll try downloading CD1 and only base system installation. Upgrading is my second choice. Thanks for now! |
| 09:43.37 | enouf | JohnDeo: have you tried 'expert' at the boot prompt? |
| 09:43.55 | JohnDeo | enouf: Nop, I didn't, should I? |
| 09:43.58 | enouf | JohnDeo: hit F1-F10 for possible options |
| 09:44.24 | Eulex | beli, perhaps. the truth to why it did keep it back usually unfolds if you try to upgrade it manually. |
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| 09:44.47 | beli | Eulex: ok, thanks for hep |
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| 09:47.03 | enouf | JohnDeo: other options; pass this to it at the boot: prompt; "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" (or) "install libata.atapi_enabled=1" ... both 'install' commands could be installgui even |
| 09:47.11 | iateadonut1 | debian boots up, you sign in... |
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| 09:47.32 | JohnDeo | enouf: Nor text or graphicall installation in expert mode works. Try downloading CD1 and, if it fails, upgrading. |
| 09:47.34 | iateadonut1 | then, how do you tell debian that when you startx, you want to go into 'fluxbox' or 'kde'? |
| 09:47.36 | enouf | JohnDeo: or the expert{gui} equivalents |
| 09:47.48 | JohnDeo | I'll try. |
| 09:47.48 | enouf | ok |
| 09:47.48 | Guerin | iateadonut1: man xsession |
| 09:47.56 | enouf | JohnDeo: same error in expert mode? |
| 09:48.07 | JohnDeo | enouf: Yes. |
| 09:48.21 | enouf | JohnDeo: ok |
| 09:48.39 | iateadonut1 | thanks. |
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| 09:48.44 | enouf | iateadonut1: startkde ? |
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| 09:50.19 | havocologe | what whas the command to see what filetype a specified file has? regardless its ending? |
| 09:50.26 | enouf | file |
| 09:50.50 | enouf | file <filename> ; file -i <filename> for mimetype |
| 09:51.09 | havocologe | thanks enouf |
| 09:51.22 | enouf | easy enough to remember ;-) |
| 09:51.31 | havocologe | ofc |
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| 09:52.24 | enouf | that's what i love about the unices and variants; so common-sensed, it's mind-boggling at times :-P |
| 09:52.33 | havocologe | is there a way to "un-.deb" .deb files to see what exact content they hold |
| 09:52.45 | enouf | dpkg -x .. or -c |
| 09:52.45 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, enouf |
| 09:52.50 | Guerin | havocologe: dpkg -x |
| 09:53.01 | enouf | havocologe: ^^^ |
| 09:53.18 | enouf | use -c for contents, -x to extract, man dpkg ;-) |
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| 09:54.00 | havocologe | not really used to work on debian based systems. so most packaging stuff is really strange for me .(/ |
| 09:54.02 | enouf | ar -x file.deb as well would do :-P |
| 09:54.28 | enouf | (/hint) |
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| 09:56.48 | Gun_Smoke | I have 61 directories, 1140 files... I'd like to rm !(*.pdf) on the parent and have it drill down through all the subs. What's the best approach for this? |
| 09:57.33 | JohnDeo | enouf: "install generic..." and the other command also fails. I'll waint 15 minutes until CD1 get downloaded. |
| 09:57.45 | enouf | !+tell Gun_Smoke -about using find |
| 09:57.46 | dpkg | told Gun_Smoke about using find. |
| 09:58.19 | enouf | JohnDeo: ok - possible broken dailies is my best guess at this point |
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| 09:59.30 | JohnDeo | enouf: Thanks for now. I'll stay in touch. |
| 09:59.36 | enouf | Gun_Smoke: if you mean rm all but the .pdf files use (from the parent) "find . ! -name '*.pdf' ...." |
| 09:59.50 | enouf | JohnDeo: np, ok |
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| 10:00.27 | Gun_Smoke | enouf, yeah that's what I'm after.. thanks for the line, I'll read up a bit on find.. should know that one pretty well I suppose.. thanks again |
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| 10:01.55 | enouf | Gun_Smoke: good practice is to replace the/any "-exec rm ..." part of the command with "-exec echo..." prior to ensure nothing is going to be deleted that shouldn't be .. also see the -delete option in find, i just haven't used it |
| 10:02.20 | enouf | Gun_Smoke: also man xargs (naturally) |
| 10:02.28 | Gun_Smoke | enouf, will do.. thanks |
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| 10:02.39 | enouf | np |
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| 10:05.38 | darkbulb | does the net-install dvd include the rescue enviornment |
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| 10:07.06 | Arrowmaster | net-install dvd? |
| 10:07.37 | darkbulb | yes the net-install image that you can get from debian.org |
| 10:07.56 | Arrowmaster | thats not a dvd image |
| 10:08.05 | Arrowmaster | its 180MB |
| 10:08.43 | darkbulb | stand corrected although I only have dvds |
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| 10:09.25 | darkbulb | does it have a rescue system on it |
| 10:10.01 | EmleyMoor | darkbulb: I think so - under the "More options" menu |
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| 10:10.23 | Arrowmaster | yeah i have no clue where to find out but i think so too |
| 10:10.50 | darkbulb | I need to do a password recovery on a Debian box and linux single wants the root pass |
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| 10:11.01 | darkbulb | which i dont have |
| 10:11.28 | havocologe | enouf: ar -x was the better option. becuase by that i have access to the control.tar.gz and that is what i wanted to study |
| 10:12.09 | Arrowmaster | heh ive done that before, i just told grub to boot with the sh=/bin/bash option |
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| 10:12.28 | enouf | and there ya go havocologe |
| 10:12.57 | darkbulb | okay I will try that next - I have to walk to the other terminal |
| 10:13.21 | enouf | darkbulb: /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 10:14.07 | Arrowmaster | er yeah init=/bin/sh |
| 10:14.42 | Arrowmaster | number 1 reason to always password your bootloader |
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| 10:16.44 | darkbulb | thanks all and once i do it i will most assuredly password protect the boot loader |
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| 10:26.32 | caraconan | If I do a 'sudo /etc/init.d/hylafax start' it works well, thanks to visudo. But if I put this command into a script and I execute it, it fails. Any help? |
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| 10:27.07 | Eulex | sudo needs to have a shell to get input from |
| 10:27.59 | caraconan | Mmmm I'm trying now with a simplified version of the script and it works.... I have to review line per line. Thanks Eulex |
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| 10:29.29 | caraconan | [Solved] |
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| 10:38.53 | mischief6 | how do i get the total size of all files in a directory tree in human-readable form? with 'du'? |
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| 10:40.09 | mischief6 | hmm..nevermind. du worked |
| 10:40.21 | jelly | [12:39] ~ => sudo aptitude uhhold libgpod3 -- Unknown command "uhhold" -- aptitude 0.4.11.11 [...] unhold - Cancel a hold command for a package |
| 10:40.24 | enouf | -h |
| 10:40.30 | jelly | wtf. |
| 10:40.48 | jelly | ah. Found the typo! |
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| 10:42.08 | the_sniff | i got a server rootkit'd, what now? lol |
| 10:43.27 | sep | reinstall, restoer user data ? keep it patched better in the future, and consider something like tripwire. |
| 10:43.52 | the_sniff | yeah i can't do that |
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| 10:44.04 | the_sniff | and i think i got an ssh user hacked / rooted |
| 10:44.07 | petemc | you dont have much choice |
| 10:44.41 | the_sniff | yeah, i can't reinstall though |
| 10:44.53 | the_sniff | btw, what's the package containing top |
| 10:44.54 | the_sniff | ? |
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| 10:45.14 | mischief6 | is it a good idea to build modules for my kernel with a compiler of a different version? |
| 10:45.19 | mischief6 | is there much risk involved? |
| 10:45.22 | petemc | dpkg -S `which top` |
| 10:45.22 | dpkg | You Fool! `which top` is installed! |
| 10:45.25 | sep | the_sniff, procps |
| 10:45.38 | petemc | mischief6: no, it wont work |
| 10:45.52 | mischief6 | so i MUST use gcc 4.1.3? |
| 10:46.19 | the_sniff | thanks |
| 10:46.30 | the_sniff | any other "system" package i could reinstall? |
| 10:46.53 | petemc | to what end? |
| 10:46.55 | jelly | mischief6: any 4.1 will likely work |
| 10:47.05 | the_sniff | petemc, you mean me? |
| 10:47.27 | mischief6 | jelly, well, i have 4.1.3 and 4.3.2 |
| 10:47.39 | petemc | the_sniff: yes |
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| 10:47.46 | mischief6 | and i am installing vmware tools..it has to build the modules and it says that using 4.3.2 probably won't work |
| 10:48.10 | jelly | mischief6: well, tell it to use gcc-4.1 |
| 10:48.13 | the_sniff | petemc: i just want all system files to not be infected :s |
| 10:48.34 | mischief6 | jelly, trying :) |
| 10:48.43 | petemc | the_sniff: reinstalling random packages isnt going to do much |
| 10:49.19 | jelly | the_sniff: you need to boot up a known good system and then start cleaning. |
| 10:50.04 | the_sniff | i can't go to the farm now :x |
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| 10:50.20 | petemc | enjoy your compromised machine, then |
| 10:50.33 | the_sniff | man how come the linux boxes keep getting owned lol |
| 10:50.41 | the_sniff | first time one of those i admin get that though :p |
| 10:50.50 | petemc | clueless admins not updating software, most commonly |
| 10:50.56 | jelly | you keep them unpatched? Lousy passwords? |
| 10:51.41 | the_sniff | i'd say something about the "clueless admins" but im too tired of them |
| 10:51.52 | the_sniff | and yeah the one i admin wasn't admind by me for half a year |
| 10:51.55 | jelly | s/tired of/belonging to/ |
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| 10:52.03 | jelly | :-> |
| 10:52.11 | the_sniff | jelly: no, im a programmer by profession |
| 10:52.20 | the_sniff | those are administrered by an outside company lol |
| 10:52.27 | jelly | ah, my condolences then |
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| 10:52.35 | the_sniff | how often do you guys do security updates? is it smart to do it on a cronjob? |
| 10:53.19 | jelly | no, it's a manual job, but you can set up automatic notices to tell you when to upgrade |
| 10:53.45 | jelly | !cron-apt |
| 10:53.45 | dpkg | hmm... cron-apt is a highly configurable tool that can help keep your box up to date. By default, it downloads new updates and emails the list of available packages. It can also automatically install packages if you trust that security.debian.org will never have broken package or if you have your farm of machines working off a local mirror that you seed with updated packages after your own testing. Ask me about <cron-apt tips> <auto update> <apticron>. |
| 10:54.25 | jelly | the_sniff: even then, there's the occasional 0day that can't be helped against |
| 10:54.34 | jelly | like udev right now ;-) |
| 10:54.44 | the_sniff | yeah, i used to do those things so i know it :x |
| 10:54.58 | the_sniff | you happen to have that udev? :p |
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| 10:55.38 | jelly | the_sniff: not me, Debian :-) |
| 10:55.40 | sepult | puuuh |
| 10:55.40 | the_sniff | jelly: how could i enforce password complexity? |
| 10:55.52 | jelly | the_sniff: um, pam_cracklib? |
| 10:55.55 | sepult | all deps satisfied |
| 10:55.59 | the_sniff | thanks |
| 10:56.02 | jelly | gtg |
| 10:56.19 | the_sniff | thanks, hf |
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| 10:57.28 | caraconan | I can't send mails with mutt with user www-data (I can send using mail). Any idea? |
| 10:57.56 | caraconan | The mail server is postfix, but I'm not sure it's important because I think it's a mail client issue.... |
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| 10:58.23 | petemc | what happens when you try? |
| 10:58.54 | jeffrey_ | caraconan: what do you mean by "I can send using mail"? |
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| 10:59.28 | caraconan | I will write on pastebin. 1 sec |
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| 11:00.04 | et | echo "foo" | mail -s "subject" foo@bar.com |
| 11:00.12 | the_sniff | whats libproc.a? |
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| 11:01.33 | the_sniff | hah! found the trojan |
| 11:02.13 | caraconan | http://pastebin.com/m7404294f <jeffrey_> |
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| 11:06.13 | jeffrey_ | caraconan: check .muttrc file for user www-data |
| 11:06.14 | caraconan | <jeffrey_> I'm looking at /var/log/mail.log and when it fails (mutt + www-data combination) it doesn't write any line in it |
| 11:06.43 | caraconan | ok, I will compare it with /home/non_root/.muttrc, wich can send with mutt |
| 11:06.44 | caraconan | thanks |
| 11:07.12 | caraconan | Maybe that's the error: www-data hasn't dir |
| 11:07.54 | petemc | does /etc/Muttrc have something regarding saving sent mail? |
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| 11:08.43 | caraconan | For order: <jeffrey_> there is no file called .muttrc |
| 11:08.55 | petemc | feels ignored |
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| 11:09.03 | jeffrey_ | caraconan: or .mutt/muttrc |
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| 11:09.32 | caraconan | No at least under /home/non_root/ |
| 11:09.45 | caraconan | I will check <petemc> proposal (thanks) |
| 11:09.56 | caraconan | Well, thanks to <jeffrey_> too, of course |
| 11:10.59 | jeffrey_ | caraconan: do you use exim4 as backend to send mail? |
| 11:11.18 | caraconan | No, postfix |
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| 11:12.05 | JohnDeo | enouf: I have the same error on Squeeze CD1, but Lenny netinstall (weekly build) seems to be okay. Hope upgrading will succeed. |
| 11:12.38 | jeffrey_ | caraconan: then check postfix configure file in user's working directory, compare it with different user. |
| 11:13.07 | petemc | what configure file? |
| 11:15.12 | jeffrey_ | caraconan: is the error message you post says permission issue? I can't understand what language you're using. |
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| 11:15.26 | caraconan | Hi. I'm back |
| 11:16.34 | jeffrey_ | caraconan: what groups do the user www-data and non-root belong to? |
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| 11:17.56 | caraconan | http://pastebin.com/m782ae2d7 |
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| 11:18.26 | caraconan | cat /etc/group | grep user => it's enough, is'nt it? |
| 11:18.41 | pmo_ | jeffrey_, groups www-data .... www-data |
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| 11:19.19 | the_sniff | wow what a kind trojan, it backs up the replaced files :D |
| 11:20.17 | caraconan | I think I've got the solution... chown www-data:www-data /var/www/sent |
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| 11:20.22 | martian67 | !cron-apt tips |
| 11:20.22 | dpkg | You might want to have cron-apt use aptitude rather than apt-get (set APTCOMMAND=/usr/bin/aptitude in /etc/cron-apt/config). To automatically install packages as well: echo "upgrade -y -o APT::Get::Show-Upgraded=true" > /etc/cron-apt/action.d/4-upgrade |
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| 11:22.23 | pmo_ | !cron-apt tips |
| 11:22.23 | dpkg | You might want to have cron-apt use aptitude rather than apt-get (set APTCOMMAND=/usr/bin/aptitude in /etc/cron-apt/config). To automatically install packages as well: echo "upgrade -y -o APT::Get::Show-Upgraded=true" > /etc/cron-apt/action.d/4-upgrade |
| 11:22.24 | stEVIL | anyone know how i could make monit to run a script when it has tried to cycle a restart after 5 times? |
| 11:23.26 | martian67 | !auto-update |
| 11:23.29 | caraconan | [Solved] (as root) chmod 775 /var/www && chown root:www-data /var/www && chown www-data:www-data /var/www/sent |
| 11:23.44 | stEVIL | for instance: if 5 restarts within 5 cycles then timeout but then instead of time out do /usr/local/bin/foo.sh |
| 11:24.24 | petemc | caraconan: that seems more like worked around than solved - unless you want a mailfolder in your documentroot? |
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| 11:25.47 | caraconan | petemc it's right, but my documentroot is not under the standard /var/www. The solution, I think, is change with usermod the /home dir of www-data user |
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| 11:29.29 | caraconan | Better: undo the changes I did it and: (as root) usermod -d /home/www-data www-data && mkdir /home/www-data && chown www-data:www-data /home/www-data |
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| 11:32.53 | liable | kama: its still moving, now lenny released, i brought the topic up again. theres some ineterest. its a bit of a slog though |
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| 11:33.23 | liable | echan |
| 11:33.26 | liable | kama: sorry |
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| 11:37.58 | enouf | JohnDeo: ahh .. ok, thanks for the follow-up .. perhaps you can also send an installation report (bug report to the installer team, you can use reportbug pkg) ; /msg dpkg reportbug (thanks) |
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| 11:39.33 | enouf | JohnDeo: if and when you do the dist-upgrade/full-upgrade to Squeeze from Lenny, make sure you keep the lenny kernel + initrd around in case that's the cause, so you can reboot into that older kernel+initrd should the squeeze ones fail |
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| 11:42.28 | remoteCTR1 | how do i install graphics drivers for ati x1400? |
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| 11:43.16 | osfd_ | I know this is not a Geda channel but...I'm quite new with Geda. I installed it on a debian lenny alongside with easyspice. I'm all set for the schematic part, but when I wanna generate the netlist...something's missing. where are the libraries...?? |
| 11:43.53 | osfd_ | here is what I get for my netlist : http://pastebin.com/m2f2b65b8 |
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| 11:44.53 | enouf | remoteCTR1: well .. do you want the xorg one, or the ati one? |
| 11:45.17 | enouf | !+tell remoteCTR1 -about radeon vs radeonhd |
| 11:45.18 | dpkg | told remoteCTR1 about radeon vs radeonhd. |
| 11:45.41 | remoteCTR1 | thanks i will look into that |
| 11:47.02 | enouf | remoteCTR1: for now, "grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and see if radeon.drv is loaded .. or are you using vesafb? .. also "/msg dpkg fglrx" if you want the 3D accelerated ati proprietary drivers |
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| 11:47.42 | enouf | er radeon_drv.so i guess it would be |
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| 11:51.02 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: actually it is the 3d accelerated one that i would like to use |
| 11:51.16 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: is there no such thing like a restricted drivers manager? |
| 11:51.48 | enouf | remoteCTR1: well .. i'm pretty sure the Xorg radeon does really well with r5xx series .. is your card that series? |
| 11:51.59 | enouf | remoteCTR1: might also ask in #radeon |
| 11:52.00 | remoteCTR1 | x1400? |
| 11:52.33 | enouf | man radeon ;-) |
| 11:52.46 | enouf | !fglrx |
| 11:52.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . See also <radeon>. #ati @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:52.50 | liable | thats a 500 |
| 11:53.10 | remoteCTR1 | rofl |
| 11:53.19 | remoteCTR1 | (01:52:39 PM) dpkg: i haven't a clue, remoteCTR1 |
| 11:53.37 | enouf | yeah, i know from Nyle/StonedJunkieFreak that the x1900xt is a r5xx |
| 11:54.00 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: how do i find that out? |
| 11:54.08 | remoteCTR1 | that is all lspci says... |
| 11:54.08 | enouf | man radeon remoteCTR1 |
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| 11:54.53 | enouf | what? .. remoteCTR1 you /msg dpkg <factoid> here in your irc client ... the other dpkg is the lowlevel pkg manager |
| 11:55.11 | remoteCTR1 | hummm kk, gimme a sec pls, cos for some reason that i dont understand yet i got nio display at all atm all of a sudden :D |
| 11:55.43 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: i did in the private msg window? |
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| 11:55.51 | enouf | remoteCTR1: "man radeon" is done in your shell |
| 11:55.55 | rebecca2525 | hi! i'm trying to get powrsaved to automatically disable one core in powersave modus (on a thinkpad t400) |
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| 11:56.08 | rebecca2525 | it works manually with powersave -D 1 |
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| 11:56.21 | enouf | remoteCTR1: man pages are (manual pages) for us users to refer to |
| 11:56.35 | rebecca2525 | i tried adding MAX_CPUS_ONLINE="1" to scheme_powersave, but that has no effect :( |
| 11:57.11 | CharminTheMoose | how can I append a string of text to multiple files in the same folder? |
| 11:57.18 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: i know thanks, i am quite a noob but not that much a noob:) i just wasnt aware that i can use man pages for something tat isnt installed... |
| 11:57.27 | amphi | rebecca2525: you could try asking in #ibmthinkpad, or thinkwiki.org may have some info |
| 11:57.44 | enouf | rebecca2525: only during powersave? i know you can pass the kernel a hotplug cpu command on the kernel line - otherwise try ##ibmthinkpad perhaps, or thinkwiki.org |
| 11:57.50 | CharminTheMoose | like turning buzz1.wav to CTM_buzz1.wav append CTM_ to every file in a directory? |
| 11:58.12 | enouf | amphi: heh :-P |
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| 11:58.42 | enouf | remoteCTR1: why wouldn't man radeon be installed? |
| 11:59.07 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: rename? |
| 11:59.10 | cahoot | CharminTheMoose: rename 's/^/CTM_/' *wav |
| 11:59.12 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: or man tr |
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| 11:59.24 | remoteCTR1 | dpkg says "To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>" then it says "i dunno is it bigger than a bread box?" :D |
| 11:59.24 | dpkg | remoteCTR1: I think you lost me on that one |
| 11:59.39 | enouf | remoteCTR1: remove the <>'s |
| 11:59.44 | rebecca2525 | thanks for the advice, so the powersaved config should work the way i'm expecting? (not sure about that...) |
| 11:59.48 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: i have no idea, i thougth it was part of the driver... |
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| 12:00.09 | enouf | remoteCTR1: well, if Xorg is installed, the driver and it's man page will be as well |
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| 12:00.28 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: ah not the ati but the xorg driver, i see... |
| 12:00.29 | rizzo | whats the current debian kernel? |
| 12:00.38 | amphi | enouf: ;) |
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| 12:01.45 | enouf | rebecca2525: maybe you can glean something useful from stracing your command that works |
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| 12:01.45 | enouf | rizzo: depends on release |
| 12:01.45 | rizzo | current |
| 12:01.46 | enouf | !release |
| 12:01.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, release is Lenny was released on 2009-02-14. Lenny is Debian 5.0 and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <etch->lenny> or see http://www.debian.org/releases/ or <release history> for the latest (and historical) releases. |
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| 12:01.54 | enouf | lenny uses 2.6.26 |
| 12:02.02 | rizzo | enouf: thanks |
| 12:02.15 | enouf | hrm |
| 12:02.18 | enouf | !releases |
| 12:02.18 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 12:02.25 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: k, here it says RV505/RV515/RV516/RV550 |
| 12:02.26 | remoteCTR1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.26 | remoteCTR1 | so i suppose this is RV515 for x1400? |
| 12:02.43 | the_sniff | hey |
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| 12:02.51 | enouf | remoteCTR1: r5xx is all you need to know really .. |
| 12:03.08 | the_sniff | i've a file, seems to be a trojan. libproc.so.2.0.6, it's not in dpkg -S is it safe to delete? |
| 12:03.10 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: good to know, so where do i go from here? |
| 12:03.15 | enouf | remoteCTR1: the people in #radeon would know the particulars |
| 12:03.27 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: i see, thanks alot so far :) |
| 12:03.28 | enouf | remoteCTR1: install it and use it ;-) ... |
| 12:03.59 | enouf | remoteCTR1: that grep command should do to find out ... have you installed Lenny? and the Xorg metapackage? |
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| 12:04.38 | eddiorov | hey guys |
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| 12:04.46 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: sudo aptÃcache search r5xx returns xserver-xorg-radeonhd |
| 12:04.52 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: yeah, lenny |
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| 12:05.05 | eddiorov | after closing my laptops lid and reopening, my thinkpad behaves strange |
| 12:05.26 | remoteCTR1 | and dpkg -l xorg says ii |
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| 12:05.46 | eddiorov | the cpu wont leave c0, the backlight is no more controllable by keyboard, and randomly switches brighntess occasionally |
| 12:06.12 | enouf | remoteCTR1: wow, that x1400 must be a new? low cost version? .. or .. it's not even listed here; http://users.erols.com/chare/video.htm |
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| 12:06.37 | enouf | remoteCTR1: dpkg -l xorg | grep ^.i |
| 12:06.44 | enouf | ok |
| 12:06.45 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: err... i just realize i already got that xserver-xorg-radeonhd thing installd? |
| 12:06.49 | remoteCTR1 | *confused* |
| 12:06.53 | enouf | so .. how about that grep? |
| 12:07.21 | enouf | remoteCTR1: for now, "grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and see if radeon.drv is loaded .. |
| 12:07.36 | enouf | radeon_drv.so that is |
| 12:07.54 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: ah! i overread that, sec, pls |
| 12:08.32 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: ok, says its loaded |
| 12:08.40 | enouf | eddiorov: something to do with ACPI scripts/support perhaps in your /etc/acpi/* config files? |
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| 12:09.01 | remoteCTR1 | radeonhd_drv and mouse_drv and kbd_drv and synaptics_drv |
| 12:09.25 | enouf | remoteCTR1: welp ; radeonhd != radeon ;-) |
| 12:09.32 | remoteCTR1 | ok so this means i basically have a properly working ati driver with 3d accel, right? |
| 12:09.42 | enouf | remoteCTR1: not to me |
| 12:09.43 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: ah ok i see |
| 12:09.48 | remoteCTR1 | hahahaha |
| 12:09.51 | remoteCTR1 | kk |
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| 12:10.21 | dijenerate | hi all |
| 12:10.26 | remoteCTR1 | so what do i do in order to have the 3d working? AND i need to be able to switch to the external monitor, that is basically why i am working on it? |
| 12:10.28 | eddiorov | enouf:but what can be responsible for the c0-problem? it occured after my last kernelupdate, never had such problems before |
| 12:10.45 | enouf | remoteCTR1: man xrandr ; /msg dpkg dual monitors |
| 12:11.16 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: there doesnt seem to be an easy way to just install atis restricted drivers, huh? |
| 12:11.17 | enouf | eddiorov: not sure .. what's cat /proc/cmdline say? also see ##ibmthinkpad |
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| 12:11.46 | enouf | remoteCTR1: i never messed with it, others though have had issues, sometimes successful, sometimes not |
| 12:12.01 | eddiorov | enouf:bash-3.2# cat /proc/cmdline root=/dev/sda1 vga=0xf07 ro |
| 12:12.10 | eddiorov | enouf: thank you for the recommendation |
| 12:12.23 | enouf | np |
| 12:12.27 | dijenerate | I need a little help with two things on my lenny box |
| 12:12.50 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: not good... as far as i have understood this the ati driver also brings an event handler that is able to recon the Fn keys, right? |
| 12:13.23 | enouf | remoteCTR1: no idea |
| 12:13.27 | dijenerate | 2.6.29-1.slh.4-sidux-amd64 on a phenom X4 with nvidia 9400GT and nvidia 180-44 installed the nvidia way |
| 12:13.36 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: gawd i hate google :D |
| 12:13.52 | enouf | dijenerate: /msg dpkg sidux |
| 12:14.12 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: ok you have helped me alot so far, so thanks for that and i will see what #radeon can add to it.. |
| 12:14.20 | enouf | np |
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| 12:15.57 | pkp9774 | I've setup my own apt repository and compiled my own php (with updated mysql) debian packages and added them to the repo. Is there any way with aptitude to tell it to use those packages rather than the ones that come with ubuntu? Is there a more appropriate channel for these questions? Thanks |
| 12:15.58 | dijenerate | enouf: the only reason I'm using that kernel is that there was not repo with a pre-compiled nvdia 180-44 for 2.6.29 amd64 and that was the only kernel it would compile with |
| 12:16.25 | the_sniff | is there another way to inject libs into a procss other than LD_PRELOAD? |
| 12:16.32 | enouf | ahh .. i see, but still |
| 12:16.33 | dijenerate | enouf: the other 2.6.29 kernels gave me hell and I finally gave up on them when that worked |
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| 12:17.17 | dijenerate | enouf: other than the kernel, everything else is standard lenny amd64 |
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| 12:17.52 | dijenerate | enouf: my prob isn't that anyway, it is the fact that bluez only shows one service - bluetooth audio |
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| 12:18.29 | dijenerate | enouf: and the other problem is that compiz-settings-manager does not retain any of the settings that I change |
| 12:18.45 | dijenerate | so I cannot enable expo, can't disable the cube etc |
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| 12:19.39 | the_sniff | Changed Away Msg To: :e |
| 12:19.47 | dijenerate | enouf: I'm first asking here just in case these are both because of my sources.list file and that there is some repo missing |
| 12:19.54 | enouf | dijenerate: either way, i can't help .... |
| 12:21.14 | dijenerate | enouf: do you have any suggestions or can anyone else here help? |
| 12:21.15 | dijenerate | enouf: I've been googling these all night |
| 12:21.22 | abrotman | !tell the_sniff about away |
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| 12:22.08 | enouf | dijenerate: i use neither, and know nothing about either ... hope you find help you need, maybe try ##linux, and/or #compiz-fusion? |
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| 12:22.48 | dijenerate | enouf: yeah, already in #compiz-fusion |
| 12:23.05 | dijenerate | enouf: the bluetooth issue seems to be unique to lenny though |
| 12:23.29 | enouf | dijenerate: Lenny doesn't mix well with Sid, especially without backporting, and with using another distro's kernel |
| 12:23.49 | zagibu | wow, why would anyone do that? |
| 12:23.58 | enouf | !sns |
| 12:23.59 | dpkg | hmm... sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 12:24.18 | zagibu | hehe, ok |
| 12:24.22 | enouf | :-P |
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| 12:25.15 | dijenerate | enouf: as I said, the only reason for using the sid kernel is because I had hell with my nvidia drivers and 2.6.29 |
| 12:25.39 | abrotman | uhm .. why not use the .26 in lenny with the nvidia drivers in lenny? |
| 12:25.44 | enouf | dijenerate: Lenny uses .26 |
| 12:26.08 | dijenerate | enouf: the only other kernel version that was standard on the repo was 2.6.26 and I could not use that without serious patching to support my ext4 and the audio chipset that is on this workstation |
| 12:26.20 | enouf | and you're using the "sidux" kernel, not sid :-) |
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| 12:26.26 | zagibu | ext4: sns? |
| 12:26.30 | the_sniff | abrotman: lol my bad was used to logging off before going /away here |
| 12:26.33 | amphi | spork! |
| 12:26.40 | enouf | zagibu: now you're getting it! ;-) |
| 12:26.45 | zagibu | hehe |
| 12:26.47 | dijenerate | enouf: 2.6.29 supports them both without sweat |
| 12:26.53 | enouf | dijenerate: so upgrade |
| 12:27.02 | enouf | and fear even more breakage |
| 12:27.09 | abrotman | the .26 in lenny has ext4_dev |
| 12:27.14 | enouf | indeed |
| 12:27.19 | dijenerate | enouf: upgrade to what exactly |
| 12:27.24 | enouf | ... |
| 12:27.32 | enouf | !releases |
| 12:27.32 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 12:27.34 | orveldv | hello, I can't get mplayer to play .mov files ; I have libquicktime1, libavc1394-0, libavcodec51, w32codecs installed ; any hints? |
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| 12:27.51 | enouf | orveldv: mp4 support? |
| 12:28.04 | orveldv | scratches head |
| 12:28.16 | dijenerate | zagibu: ext4 is better for this studio workstation than ext3 because of the massive files we tend to work with here |
| 12:28.42 | jelly | dijenerate: if your apps do fallocate(), sure |
| 12:28.57 | amphi | dijenerate: or xfs perhaps |
| 12:29.18 | jelly | hopes ext4 deletes files faster |
| 12:29.52 | dijenerate | enouf: I'm running 2.6.29, ext4 only because zfs isn't supported at kernel and we pool the ext4 with the zfs on the sun workstations, it integrates better than reisers and xfs |
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| 12:30.06 | amphi | yeah, xfs deletes slowly here, but not consistently |
| 12:30.12 | enouf | tried btrfs yet? |
| 12:30.15 | enouf | runs |
| 12:30.50 | dijenerate | won't use btrfs for these workstations as long as it's alpha and we already use zfs on the sun master workstations |
| 12:30.51 | jelly | amphi: ext3 is a draaag |
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| 12:30.59 | javor | Hi. I have a little problem. After installation Debian 5.0 on Virtualbox, system show me when i boot "your system had a kernel failure" or something like this. But i dont know what is wrong. Debian works normall. |
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| 12:31.29 | orveldv | enouf: I have libmp4v2-0, no idea what else I need :-/ |
| 12:31.38 | enouf | javor: /msg dpkg bootlogd ; check your log files |
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| 12:32.02 | dijenerate | enouf: as far as your upgrade suggestion, unless I do squeeze which isn't going to be suitable for a workstation in constant use, I really upgrade any further |
| 12:32.02 | enouf | orveldv: i think i can play .mov files here; are you using debian-multimedia repo versions? |
| 12:32.05 | jelly | javor: that is an unusual message, and it would be nice to see where exactly you get it and what generates it |
| 12:32.06 | javor | enouf: ok |
| 12:32.10 | enouf | orveldv: got a sample file? |
| 12:32.24 | jelly | javor: can you provide a screenshot? |
| 12:32.29 | orveldv | enouf: debian-multimedia, yes ; just a sec. |
| 12:32.34 | enouf | dijenerate: perhaps a different distro is then best suited for you |
| 12:32.42 | javor | jelly: i check log and reboot system |
| 12:32.56 | abrotman | dijenerate: how can you claim that squeeze isn't suitable when you're mixing packages from different versions of debian? |
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| 12:33.11 | enouf | dijenerate: and why do workstations need bluetooth devices? |
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| 12:33.39 | dijenerate | the bluetooth and compiz are for me not work, I like the keyboard, and I find expo makes working more productive when I use 9 workspaces in gnome |
| 12:33.43 | dijenerate | just preference |
| 12:34.09 | enouf | right .. i forgot about the compiz-cube-sns too :-P |
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| 12:34.34 | dijenerate | granted the kernel is 'linux' still it's only one package and only out of necessity was it changed |
| 12:34.57 | dijenerate | enouf: the cube is no longer that new, and for me it is a waste of time |
| 12:35.19 | enouf | and it's customized, and not a Debian kernel, and you're using proprietary kernel modules and libs |
| 12:35.31 | dijenerate | enouf: expo actually serves a purpose for me being able to view all the workspaces at a glance is quite useful |
| 12:35.33 | abrotman | dijenerate: there is a program like expo for X .. doesn't require compiz |
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| 12:36.12 | dijenerate | abrotman: enlighten me... what is it called? |
| 12:36.16 | abrotman | now if i could only remember the name ... :) |
| 12:36.49 | enouf | !8ball will abrotman ever recall the name? |
| 12:36.49 | dpkg | No. |
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| 12:37.11 | enouf | that's pretty final sounding to me :-) |
| 12:37.15 | gromgull | Is there some way to use dpkg-query to find the repository a package was installed from? |
| 12:37.16 | javor | i have a screenshoot, here it is- > http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7660/screenshot001qoa.jpg |
| 12:37.31 | abrotman | !tell gromgull about which repo |
| 12:37.32 | gromgull | the deian-multimedia repository is causing me hassle |
| 12:37.32 | enouf | gromgull: /msg dpkg list repositories |
| 12:37.41 | dijenerate | enouf: I'm using the proprietary modules for nvidia because there is no official debian bin for this kernel... why am I repeating myself? |
| 12:38.03 | abrotman | wonders why the debian server is running gnome ... |
| 12:38.18 | gromgull | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 12:38.21 | dijenerate | just out of curiosity... how old are you guys? |
| 12:38.42 | abrotman | old enough to know better than to ask enouf that question! |
| 12:38.45 | enouf | dijenerate: no idea, but you've stopped making sense to me many minutes ago |
| 12:38.53 | enouf | heh |
| 12:39.04 | dijenerate | I mean your attitude is like those young college kids who write a little app or script and think they are hot shots |
| 12:39.09 | javor | jelly: ? |
| 12:39.46 | enouf | dijenerate: i can see you'd like to perhaps visit the bozo box, which i can happily accomodate you with ... but whatever .. |
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| 12:39.57 | abrotman | javor: get the actual message from your logs |
| 12:40.03 | dijenerate | when I was doing kernel dev and contributing to the gnu pre- gnu/linux you were probably still in diapers |
| 12:40.10 | abrotman | lovely ... |
| 12:40.23 | enouf | wanders off ... |
| 12:40.29 | jelly | javor: you have kerneloops applet installed. That's nice, I guess. It detected a previous kernel failure, which you can probably find in /var/log/kern.log as well. |
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| 12:40.33 | zagibu | dijenerate: seems your knowledge has rusted over the years, eh? |
| 12:40.40 | dijenerate | you know nothing about the gnu spirit... I come here to ask for help on a something I have not used in years and this is the attitude I get |
| 12:40.56 | jelly | dijenerate: better to stick to the tech. issue and ignore the attitude. |
| 12:41.05 | abrotman | dijenerate: how about you stop berating us when you don't know anything about us |
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| 12:41.35 | abrotman | bah .. why can't i remember that app .. |
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| 12:41.46 | enouf | dijenerate: i meant no harm .. no attitude here .. please .. continue; perhaps others can help more than i |
| 12:41.59 | dijenerate | abrotman: I'm commenting on what I've observed since I've been in here |
| 12:42.03 | enouf | abrotman: 8ball said so! :-p |
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| 12:42.43 | abrotman | dijenerate: it's unnecessary .. if you don't like enouf, stop talking to him |
| 12:42.52 | abrotman | you wouldn't be the first |
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| 12:43.32 | dijenerate | zagibu: It happens when you reach my age and you've spent your time doing embedded server dev and multimedia production for years... you never touch front end code as anything other than an end-user |
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| 12:43.59 | sebastian | hi guys I need to install apxs for apache but cant find the pac via apt-get. Which repo I should add? |
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| 12:44.37 | javor | jelly: http://pastebin.com/m6227a638 ? |
| 12:44.51 | jelly | sebastian: "apt-cache search apxs" |
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| 12:45.13 | dijenerate | just wanted to know if anyone else was aware of these issues and if there was a quick fix that someone else had come across that could solve this without my having to dedicate serious hours to something that is trivial for me and now apparently not popularly done to be worth fixing |
| 12:45.43 | zagibu | dijenerate: well, I think you got your answer |
| 12:45.59 | _2 | can anyone help me see shat i'm not seeing about why this laptop wont boot past the busybox initramfs ? (debian lenny, was booting fine until dpkg updated the initramfs image) i have rebuilt the initramfs image several times to no avail. i can manually mount the rootfs and chroot into the system but i can't "pivot_root" all it says is permission denied. when the "script" init fails i see "mount: mounting /dev/sda on /root fail |
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| 12:46.15 | jelly | javor: there are no errors in there. |
| 12:46.23 | zagibu | dijenerate: and sorry about the "rusted knowledge" stuff eralier it was supposed to be funny, but didn't come out right |
| 12:46.55 | dijenerate | I have all the necessary stuff working, the drivers for the hardware on the system are fine, mostly recompiled because of the sidux and funky hardware combination but it is annoying that something so simple and userspace is creating these probs |
| 12:47.02 | _2 | there is one other interesting line "/scripts/init-bottom/udev: line 25: nuke: permission denied" |
| 12:47.05 | dijenerate | and I really would like to use them... I see what I can do |
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| 12:47.28 | zagibu | _2: i have no idea, but are you sure it should mount a disk on the root's home dir? |
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| 12:47.44 | AlHafoudh | please anyone can help? i boot qemu guest over pxe which is hosted on another qemu guest, initrd is loading soooooooooo slow (3 minutes), how can i speed it up? should i change interface driver? |
| 12:47.45 | _2 | zagibu yes |
| 12:48.09 | javor | jelly: hmmm. "nautilus[2451]: segfault at 4 ip b755fbf4 ....." can be that problem? |
| 12:48.09 | zagibu | _2: okay, then I have nothing else for you, sorry |
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| 12:48.16 | zorix | 212.79.172.108 |
| 12:48.16 | zorix | 212.79.172.108 |
| 12:48.19 | zorix | hack it |
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| 12:48.26 | zorix | 212.79.172.108 |
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| 12:48.28 | _2 | zagibu k. thanks for the thought. |
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| 12:48.44 | dijenerate | I didn't mean to berate anyone here just surprised to get this kind of response on the official debian channel when I asked for help in such a simple way |
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| 12:49.15 | abrotman | dijenerate: but you're not using the debian kernel for starters |
| 12:49.16 | jelly | dijenerate: new kids on the block (and it's not the official channel any more) |
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| 12:49.30 | javor | jelly: so ? |
| 12:49.43 | abrotman | jebus .. why can i not find that package |
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| 12:50.30 | dijenerate | abrotman: I only mentioned the kernel just in case it was related but I thought it unlikely |
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| 12:50.37 | sebastian | ok the package apache-dev has the apxs |
| 12:50.44 | sebastian | bye |
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| 12:50.56 | dijenerate | abrotman: to be the cause of the prob |
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| 12:51.28 | dijenerate | abrotman: I was suspecting that I don't have the right repos for the working versions of these packages in my sources file |
| 12:51.32 | jelly | javor: No. Look for "BUG" or "Oops" |
| 12:51.46 | dijenerate | anyhoo... no harm |
| 12:52.12 | dijenerate | jelly: and what is the official channel now anyway? |
| 12:52.40 | jelly | dijenerate: #debian on irc.debian.org (irc.debian.org is now on OFTC) |
| 12:52.49 | enouf | dijenerate: 1st; we'd have no way of knowing if it's the kernel or not, since it's not Debian's and 2nd; earlier, i mentioned; <enouf> dijenerate: i use neither, and know nothing about either ... hope you find help you need, maybe try ##linux, and/or #compiz-fusion? and 3rd; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 12:52.57 | abrotman | dijenerate: however, there are way more people here .. though quantity does not mean quality i suppose |
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| 12:54.29 | azeem | jelly: this channel is just as official as far as the ops and regulars are concerned |
| 12:54.37 | xingu__ | dijenerate: do you have one of the compiz backends installed (so e.g. compizconfig-backend-gconf) |
| 12:54.50 | rvsjoen | anyone have a clue how to get rid of 'stale nfs handle' when trying to mount a disk image using -o loop ? tried to restart the nfs client, then I tried restarting the machine. I find it strange since neither of the mountpoint and the image is on nfs |
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| 12:55.07 | valdyn | dijenerate: --indirect-rendering on nvidia cards |
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| 12:55.28 | valdyn | dijenerate: and/or --use-cow, depending on compiz version |
| 12:55.52 | AlHafoudh | anyone can help pls? |
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| 12:56.04 | azeem | AlHafoudh: did you ask your question? |
| 12:56.12 | AlHafoudh | azeem: yes |
| 12:56.23 | azeem | qemu is slow I guess |
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| 12:56.42 | valdyn | AlHafoudh: qemu unaccelerated is painfully slow, thats just how it is |
| 12:56.54 | azeem | AlHafoudh: do you have the kqemu modules loaded |
| 12:56.55 | azeem | ? |
| 12:57.14 | javor | jelly: i couldnt find - > any help command? :) |
| 12:57.15 | dijenerate | xingu__: yes compizconfig-backend-gconf is installed |
| 12:57.17 | valdyn | AlHafoudh: you should be using kvm if you can. |
| 12:57.22 | enouf | AlHafoudh: i guess you can check the iface using ethtool to insure 10/100BaseT is being used? |
| 12:57.37 | AlHafoudh | azeem: iam on mac :( |
| 12:57.46 | ShereKhan | I have some NFS shares running on a Debian box, and NFS running by default. But when I boot the box I am getting "permission denied" when trying to connect the shares. If I check on the Debian-box, NFS is running just fine. But I have to manually restart nfs-kernel-server to connect from other boxes. Any tips on how to make this work properly? |
| 12:57.50 | valdyn | its always 10 in qemu iirc |
| 12:57.56 | valdyn | but just nominally |
| 12:58.00 | AlHafoudh | enouf: ethtool does not work in qemu some some misterious reason |
| 12:58.04 | dijenerate | valdyn: I thought --indirect-rendering was only required on ati and intel chipsets where the opengl support was weak |
| 12:58.07 | enouf | hrm ... i didn't know that valdyn |
| 12:58.23 | valdyn | dijenerate: that switch has nothing to do with opengl support being weak |
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| 12:58.38 | amphi | dijenerate: if I recall correctly you're correct; --indirect-rendering is for drivers using aiglx, I believe |
| 12:58.46 | valdyn | dijenerate: its how aiglx works and is named ( = accelerated indirect rendering ) |
| 12:58.47 | jelly | javor: it could be in a rotated log file /var/log/kern.log.*; use grep or grep -i to find a string in text file. |
| 12:59.02 | azeem | AlHafoudh: then why do you ask here? |
| 12:59.10 | dijenerate | right, if you wanted to have the cpu carry some of the load and not have the gpu's frame buffer do all the work |
| 12:59.10 | amphi | nvidia doesn't use aiglx, I don't think |
| 12:59.13 | AlHafoudh | azeem: where should i? |
| 12:59.20 | dijenerate | ah... ok |
| 12:59.22 | azeem | AlHafoudh: some mac channel? |
| 12:59.26 | valdyn | dijenerate: and everything uses aiglx nowadays, or should use aiglx, nowadays, its not slow |
| 12:59.29 | xingu | dijenerate: which version of compiz is it? is there anything informative in .xsession-errors ? |
| 12:59.31 | jelly | javor: zcat /var/log/kern.log.* | egrep -i 'bug|oops' |
| 12:59.39 | enouf | amphi: IINM, you |
| 12:59.47 | dijenerate | checking now |
| 12:59.49 | enouf | amphi: IINM, you're correct, nvidia uses dri |
| 12:59.49 | amphi | enouf: eh? |
| 12:59.53 | enouf | heh |
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| 13:00.14 | valdyn | dijenerate: on nvidia drivers --indirect-rendering doesnt do much though, it just fixes some rendering "bugs" |
| 13:00.49 | valdyn | nvidia does not use dri |
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| 13:01.03 | valdyn | enouf: ^^ |
| 13:01.05 | xingu | valdyn: it stuffs glx through the indirect rather than direct path; there is protocol overhead and it tends to serialise gl calls. |
| 13:01.08 | enouf | ... ugh ... |
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| 13:01.22 | valdyn | xingu: thats way more details than i can make use of ) |
| 13:01.28 | dijenerate | this seems more like a settings not being acknowledged issue than anything else |
| 13:01.41 | Pete__ | Hi! Im trying to setup PXE server but i got problem with the DHCP. Client does not get ip when using PXE. When i boot same machine with same MAC to OS it gets IP. When i look syslog i see that when it does not get IP-address there is DHCPDISCOVER and when it get its DHCPREQUEST. I dont understunt, any ideas? |
| 13:01.47 | valdyn | xingu: i knew that theres a performance penalty, but its not big enough to matter |
| 13:01.53 | amphi | dijenerate: what was the problem with compiz again? |
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| 13:02.01 | dijenerate | If I import a .compiz folder from another system, there are changes |
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| 13:02.16 | javor | jelly: nothing |
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| 13:02.39 | xingu | dijenerate: my guess would be that you've managed to disable all the settings backends |
| 13:02.39 | jelly | javor: oh well! |
| 13:02.43 | dijenerate | amphi: basically, compiz-settings-manager having no effect when settings are changed |
| 13:03.01 | valdyn | which reminds me that compiz is a broken pos, not being able to resize windows nicely even on high end hardware |
| 13:03.03 | amphi | dijenerate: this is with a DE? |
| 13:03.03 | xingu | dijenerate: check .xsession-errors |
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| 13:03.19 | raidghost | When activated the onboard ethernet card. The card should get eth2 right? since i allready have two 3com cards |
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| 13:03.42 | justin | raidghost: should? no |
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| 13:04.13 | justin | raidghost: if you have udev that may give it eth2, otherwise the built in card might become eth0 |
| 13:04.15 | amphi | dijenerate: ISTR that if you run a DE, and 'desktop integration' is enabled, ccsm won't touch some settings, and leaves them to the DE |
| 13:04.22 | enouf | raidghost: huh? perhaps "/msg dpkg 70" (or alternately /msg dpkg z25) |
| 13:04.27 | Wyzard | Pete__: DHCPDISCOVER is the first step in the process, asking for a DHCP server to make an offer |
| 13:04.33 | valdyn | dijenerate: but compiz needs --use-cow on 0.7.x to work at all on my nvidia card |
| 13:04.51 | amphi | I've not played with compiz in a while, though |
| 13:04.54 | Wyzard | Pete__: One or more DHCP servers respond with DHCPOFFER, and then the client chooses an offer and makes a DHCPREQUEST for the offered address |
| 13:05.18 | raidghost | http://login.kristshell.net/~raidghost/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 13:05.19 | Pete__ | Wyzard: thats what i know but why dont it do the DHCPREQUEST? it gets DHCPOFFER |
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| 13:05.31 | raidghost | from what i can see. i missing a ACTION and a DRIVERS |
| 13:05.48 | dijenerate | I'm using gnome and emerald with it, if that is what you mean |
| 13:06.00 | Wyzard | If it gets an offer but doesn't make a request, there must be something about the offer that it doesn't like |
| 13:06.18 | justin | raidghost: nah, the first 2 were probably added by an earlier version that formatted things differently |
| 13:06.21 | azeem | dijenerate: I thought emerald wasn't in debian? |
| 13:06.35 | valdyn | emerald is in debian. |
| 13:06.36 | Wyzard | If it's a PXE implementation, maybe it's expecting an offer with some special fields to tell it what server it should boot from |
| 13:06.38 | Pete__ | Wyzard: how can i debug that? every other machine gets that.. There ~50 clients |
| 13:06.44 | azeem | ok |
| 13:06.44 | justin | raidghost: if you make the files look how you want, things should work fine |
| 13:06.45 | raidghost | justin: i upgraded from etch to lenny yesterday |
| 13:06.55 | raidghost | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.56 | enouf | raidghost: does ls /sys/class/net list all ifaces you expect to see? |
| 13:07.01 | Pete__ | Wyzard: in dhcpd.conf i got next-server which actualyl is the same server. |
| 13:07.01 | Wyzard | Take a look at the "dhcpdump" package -- it's a filter that you use together with tcpdump to monitor DHCP traffic |
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| 13:07.12 | Pete__ | Wyzard: ok, thanks i try |
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| 13:07.33 | raidghost | enouf: eth0 eth0_rename eth1 lo |
| 13:08.14 | enouf | and eth0_rename is from? (is that an alias you generated?) |
| 13:08.17 | xingu | dijenerate: in ccsm, look for the backend (0.7.x is ancient; in 0.8.x it's preferences->backend->...) |
| 13:08.37 | xingu | dijenerate: if it's not currently gconf, set it as so. |
| 13:08.46 | raidghost | enouf: http://login.kristshell.net/~raidghost/dmesg.txt |
| 13:08.58 | enouf | raidghost: ensure the MAC addresses match with iface name in your 70 file |
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| 13:09.05 | Wyzard | I think eth0_rename is a temporary name used by udev in the process of renaming interfaces according to persistent-net.rules |
| 13:09.37 | Wyzard | If it's still around, it means that udev ran into a problem during that process |
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| 13:10.00 | valdyn | it does that sometimes when names need changed crosswise |
| 13:10.01 | raidghost | Wyzard: i guess all this problems came when upgrade from etch to lenny |
| 13:10.09 | cahoot | simply remove the 70-persistent-net.rules? |
| 13:10.19 | raidghost | what would happend then? |
| 13:10.22 | xingu | Wyzard: usually because eth1394 has stolen eth0 :) |
| 13:10.22 | valdyn | ive never seen it happen when you do ethX -> netX for example |
| 13:10.48 | dijenerate | xingu: it's set to gconf and integration is enabled |
| 13:11.01 | mostel | guys, i updated my debian yesterday and i have a prob with my nvidia driver.. it says "failed to start the X server. it is likely that is not set up correctly" .. I'm on with nv now.. Any ideas how to fix it ? |
| 13:11.12 | xingu | dijenerate: ok try toggling it to files based and see if the problem goes away |
| 13:11.15 | Wyzard | raidghost: If you remove 70-persistent-net.rules, it should be regenerated at next reboot, afaik |
| 13:11.15 | raidghost | eth2: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 13:11.18 | valdyn | mostel: how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 13:11.18 | raidghost | Device my ass. |
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| 13:11.29 | xingu | dijenerate: suspicion is that your gconf keys for apps/compiz might be fubar in some magic way. |
| 13:11.30 | mostel | valdyn, manually |
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| 13:11.39 | valdyn | mostel: what is manually? |
| 13:11.45 | raidghost | Wyzard and the rest. THANKS: |
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| 13:11.46 | Wyzard | raidghost: That'll ensure that it's in the correct format, and you can edit the new one to assign the right names to the right interfaces |
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| 13:11.53 | raidghost | i try rebooting. |
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| 13:12.07 | raidghost | Lots of thanks! |
| 13:12.16 | mostel | valdyn, i mean not with the synaptic package manager .. |
| 13:12.24 | Wyzard | I think it's possible to trigger udev's renaming without rebooting, but I'm not sure how |
| 13:12.32 | valdyn | mostel: that does not tell me what you actually did |
| 13:12.34 | Wyzard | might just be with the "udevtrigger" command, actually |
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| 13:13.03 | mostel | valdyn, i downladed the drivers from the nvidia site and i installed them using the terminal |
| 13:13.12 | valdyn | mostel: do that again |
| 13:13.19 | mostel | valdyn, it's been quite a long since i did that, and i don't remember exactly what i did |
| 13:13.29 | dijenerate | apparently... there was an oversight on my part pointed out by someone in the #compiz-fusion channel |
| 13:13.41 | dijenerate | http://pastie.org/448477 |
| 13:13.43 | abrotman | dijenerate: so you yelled at us for nothing? |
| 13:13.45 | valdyn | mostel: you ran a file like "sh NVIDIA-foo.sh" |
| 13:13.51 | valdyn | mostel: do that again |
| 13:14.02 | mostel | valdyn, ok, let me try it, sec |
| 13:14.05 | Wyzard | mostel: The nVidia driver has a kernel module that needs to be rebuilt when you install a new kernel |
| 13:14.09 | enouf | Wyzard: might be /lib/udev/write_net_rules |
| 13:14.12 | abrotman | dijenerate: so you're running a module that's incompatible with the version you're running? |
| 13:14.22 | dijenerate | actually that was pointed out since the last statement xingu made |
| 13:14.26 | dijenerate | apparently |
| 13:14.36 | Wyzard | mostel: and kernels were recently updated in Debian |
| 13:14.38 | dijenerate | now I need to find out how that happened |
| 13:14.43 | Pete__ | Wyzard: i get exatcly the same results now both with dhcpdump and syslog. Could there be some nasty error in PXE? |
| 13:14.59 | enouf | Wyzard: and, IINM, udevtrigger might also be one of those udev* commands replaced with "udevadm" ? |
| 13:14.59 | abrotman | dijenerate: i'd blame global warming myself ... but what do i know |
| 13:15.04 | raidghost | is very thankful for the help. YOU GUYS saved the day! |
| 13:15.13 | mostel | Wyzard, i figured that out.. I'm quite new on Debian.. how do I rebuild the kernel of nvidia ? |
| 13:15.17 | Wyzard | Pete__: The PXE client is part of your network card's BIOS so I have no idea how it works |
| 13:15.26 | valdyn | mostel: just like i told you |
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| 13:15.38 | Wyzard | mostel: Running nVidia's installer script again should rebuild it |
| 13:15.41 | Pete__ | Wyzard: yes i know. im just desperate cos i much this shit work so badly :) but thanks anyway |
| 13:15.52 | Wyzard | mostel: but it's better to use the nVidia driver packages, rather than that script |
| 13:16.10 | valdyn | mostel: .... but that is not trivial to do now |
| 13:16.13 | dijenerate | abrotman: and no it wasn't for nothing, the attitude from enouf was really unnecessary... I'm not a noob, and I came to a channel that is here for this very purpose... help |
| 13:16.46 | abrotman | dijenerate: i was joking .. blasted internet needs a sarcasm protocol ? |
| 13:16.49 | valdyn | mostel: your system is alraedy broken, rerunning the nvidia installer wont break it more, doing it the debian way will require you to fix this first |
| 13:17.04 | dijenerate | abrotman: I just hope this isn't where the future of gnu/linux is going... because we're all going to be doomed to a microsoft world |
| 13:17.05 | abrotman | dijenerate: anyways .. what was the other issue? or was that it? |
| 13:17.22 | dijenerate | abrotman: not about your comment... just the attitude i was getting in the beginning |
| 13:17.27 | valdyn | dijenerate: its for help with debian |
| 13:17.40 | mostel | valdyn, i see.. i'll try fixing it with this script .. If I meet any problem, I'll catch up with you again |
| 13:17.40 | dijenerate | the bluez having no other services other than audio |
| 13:17.45 | valdyn | dijenerate: and most of us do not care about politics |
| 13:19.12 | mostel | valdyn, could the name be NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.29-pkg1.run ? |
| 13:19.17 | dijenerate | valdyn: that may be... but politics cares about you whether you like it or not... gpl was created for that very reason... because you just can't ignore it because you don't think like the 'other' |
| 13:19.19 | valdyn | mostel: yes |
| 13:19.37 | rvsjoen | is grub compiled with tftp support by default in debian ? |
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| 13:20.01 | valdyn | rvsjoen: thats a fucked up question? |
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| 13:20.11 | valdyn | rvsjoen: does your grub have a driver for your network interface? |
| 13:20.14 | dijenerate | valdyn: and I am running debian... the kernel was only changed 20 hours ago after giving up on the nvidia prob |
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| 13:20.37 | Mal3ko | first time user of debian here. do i need to download all the iso's? can i just grab the 1st iso only to install the os? |
| 13:20.43 | abrotman | dijenerate: however, you're not running a deiban kernel |
| 13:20.53 | abrotman | Mal3ko: just the first CD, or use the netinst |
| 13:21.00 | Wyzard | Mal3ko: Actually, you don't even need the first full iso, just the netinst or businesscard |
| 13:21.03 | abrotman | Mal3ko: you can then install the rest over the internet |
| 13:21.05 | Mal3ko | whats the rest iso's? |
| 13:21.07 | dijenerate | Mal3ko: if you have the bandwidth, use the netinst |
| 13:21.09 | gog | packages |
| 13:21.12 | gog | most of which you don't need |
| 13:21.12 | xxtjaxx | if i want to add a man page to the mandb is it right to type mandb /usr/share/man/man1/<programs_manpage> ? |
| 13:21.16 | Mal3ko | okay |
| 13:21.18 | gog | just do netinst |
| 13:21.19 | Wyzard | Mal3ko: assuming you have an Internet connection available during installation |
| 13:21.21 | valdyn | Mal3ko: you only need the netinstall if your network interface is supported out of the box, and only the first cdrom if its not |
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| 13:21.30 | dijenerate | Mal3ko: basically, think networked or standalone installation |
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| 13:21.46 | Wyzard | Mal3ko: The full CD/DVD set is only necessary if you want to have all the packages available locally so that you can install things without needing an Internet connection later |
| 13:22.02 | aspin_lweb | where does nessus install to in etch plz? |
| 13:22.13 | xxtjaxx | if i want to add a man page to the mandb is it right to type mandb /usr/share/man/man1/<programs_manpage> ? |
| 13:22.15 | Mal3ko | oh i see.. and what's the diff netinst vs businesscard |
| 13:22.16 | abrotman | aspin_lweb: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 13:22.17 | aspin_lweb | I installed it nut canot find it |
| 13:22.19 | rvsjoen | valdyn: no idea |
| 13:22.24 | aspin_lweb | thanks |
| 13:22.37 | dijenerate | abrotman: so should I reboot and then come back and ask the questions? |
| 13:22.39 | gog | businesscard is smaller for business card-size cds |
| 13:22.40 | abrotman | Mal3ko: you can only use the businesscard if you *know* your NIC is supported by the installer .. it does not even have the base system on the CD |
| 13:22.51 | dijenerate | I still have the others installed |
| 13:22.56 | Wyzard | Mal3ko: businesscard is smaller (it's meant to fit on one of those miniature businesscard-sized CDs) and has to download some things at the beginning of the installation process that netinst doesn't |
| 13:23.03 | abrotman | dijenerate: that's up to you .. i thought you said that your nvidia was broken with the debian kernel ? |
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| 13:23.17 | Mal3ko | Wyzard: thanks i get it now :) |
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| 13:23.25 | valdyn | rvsjoen: your nic has nett boot support or not. your grub can use the bios facilities, it cant implement netbooting |
| 13:23.32 | dijenerate | abrotman: it is, but the bluetooth problem is still the same |
| 13:23.38 | gog | Mal3ko: your best bet is netinst, unless you have some exotic ethernet adapter or an unsupported wireless card |
| 13:23.39 | abrotman | dijenerate: getting help for BT issues isn't always the easiest .. seems not a lot of people use it |
| 13:23.59 | xxtjaxx | someone here package maintainer?= |
| 13:24.02 | gog | or, gog forbid, a winmodem |
| 13:24.10 | rvsjoen | valdyn: I want to boot bochs using tftp, I made a disk image and installed grub on it, but the grub interactive prompt does not have a 'tftpserver' command like some howto's suggest |
| 13:24.46 | valdyn | rvsjoen: does bochs support net booting? |
| 13:24.50 | Mal3ko | gog: internet here is patheticly slow to run netinstall so i'll just grab the 1st iso |
| 13:25.00 | rvsjoen | valdyn: yes |
| 13:25.31 | Mal3ko | laugh @ tmnet screamyx |
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| 13:25.40 | valdyn | rvsjoen: then you dont really need grub to boot from the net, it might be a convenient user interface, but you dont need it |
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| 13:26.05 | rvsjoen | I read that grub needs to be compiled with '--enable-ne --enable-ne-scan=0x220 |
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| 13:27.47 | rvsjoen | anyway, i'll try to recompile it and see where that takes me, thanks |
| 13:28.02 | xxtjaxx | some one here Maintainer? |
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| 13:28.20 | xxtjaxx | rvsjoen, are u a package maintainer`? |
| 13:28.29 | abrotman | !tell xxtjaxx about mentors |
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| 13:28.32 | valdyn | !tell xxtjaxx -about ask |
| 13:28.32 | rvsjoen | nope |
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| 13:29.58 | xxtjaxx | I wrote a manpage for my program but i dont know how to get it into the mandb |
| 13:30.22 | dijenerate | adamk_: now I'm narrowing it down to libcompizconfig0 not being upgradeable because libprotobuf2 can't be found |
| 13:30.24 | valdyn | xxtjaxx: just copy it to its place? |
| 13:30.39 | dijenerate | now I'm narrowing it down to libcompizconfig0 not being upgradeable because libprotobuf2 can't be found |
| 13:30.54 | abrotman | dijenerate: because of mixing versions of debian ? |
| 13:30.54 | valdyn | xxtjaxx: like /usr/local/share/man/manX |
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| 13:31.16 | xxtjaxx | I dont think so |
| 13:31.54 | valdyn | xxtjaxx: your problem |
| 13:31.55 | xxtjaxx | valdyn, I mean this is true for getting it into the man directories but i dont tzhink tjhat this helps installing it really |
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| 13:32.05 | dijenerate | only the kernel is different and the package in can't be found on any of the repos I have |
| 13:32.13 | valdyn | xxtjaxx: theres nothing else to "installing it really" |
| 13:32.15 | xxtjaxx | oh aha |
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| 13:32.34 | valdyn | xxtjaxx: you can run "mandb" but you dont need to |
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| 13:32.49 | xxtjaxx | aha |
| 13:33.03 | brianski | is anyone else getting problems with etch/security ....Packages.bz2 being 404? |
| 13:33.17 | abrotman | dijenerate: using a pastebin .. put your sources.list and the error |
| 13:33.22 | abrotman | brianski: for which program? |
| 13:33.47 | dijenerate | I've found it... I have some of them from the unstable repos and others from shame (RIP) repos |
| 13:34.02 | dijenerate | I'm using synaptic to roll back all the unstables to shame |
| 13:34.22 | brianski | abrotman: apt-get spews a bzip2recover error |
| 13:34.31 | brianski | (apt-get update, to be specific) |
| 13:34.44 | abrotman | brianski: does it give the full URL ? |
| 13:34.55 | brianski | yeap |
| 13:35.15 | brianski | and when i grab that with wget, that 404s too |
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| 13:37.58 | brianski | ok that is officially weird |
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| 13:38.31 | nick_fn | Is there a way to print out the settings that I configured with "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" ? |
| 13:38.32 | brianski | a problem with the cached file for http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 on my apt-cacher resulted in error messages about "Bad header line" for files on security.debian.org |
| 13:38.45 | brianski | anyway its fixed. thanks for the ideas, abrotman |
| 13:40.24 | valdyn | nick_fn: cat /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 13:40.56 | nick_fn | ah yes, thank you. Is there also a general way to get the values from _any_ package configured with dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 13:41.08 | valdyn | nick_fn: cat <somefile> |
| 13:41.36 | nick_fn | ah, ok. These files are not stored in a particular place, but it's up to the individual package? |
| 13:42.08 | valdyn | nick_fn: right, debconf maintains whatever files its told to |
| 13:42.28 | petemc | debconf isnt a registry |
| 13:42.32 | nick_fn | for any particular package, how can I ask debconf where it would keep the file? |
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| 13:44.33 | magical | hi, I have 2 internet connections, wlan0 and ppp0- all my apps automatically seem to use wlan0, but I want one in particular to use ppp0, is there a way to force one app to use an interface whilst every other app uses another? |
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| 13:45.14 | valdyn | nick_fn: you would need to read the postinst script i think |
| 13:45.25 | valdyn | nick_fn: going after the usual location should be easier |
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| 13:46.11 | valdyn | nick_fn: and thats /etc/<appname><tab><tab> |
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| 13:46.20 | abrotman | magical: is the route for that special? |
| 13:46.32 | valdyn | nick_fn: and /etc/default/<appname> |
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| 13:47.29 | magical | abrotman, sorry, I don't know what you mean :< |
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| 13:48.15 | dijenerate | abrotman: ok that solves it... thanks... compiz works |
| 13:48.22 | dijenerate | now, for the bluetooth |
| 13:48.27 | valdyn | magical: read the documentation to ip routing and netfilter |
| 13:48.35 | magical | valdyn, kk |
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| 13:49.34 | nick_fn | valdyn: ok, thanks. |
| 13:49.40 | blubdiebla | hi, after hibernating, my laptop does not seem to find any os, even grub is not loaded. When i run fdisk it says Disk sda doesn't contain a valid partition table. |
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| 13:50.03 | blubdiebla | So is the partition table wrong, or could it be also the mbr? |
| 13:50.19 | magical | valdyn, so there is no wrapper application or anything I can use? |
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| 13:50.39 | magical | I think iptables is a little above my head ;o |
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| 13:51.42 | liable | blubdiebla: eek, you didnt suspend to your main partition did you? i'm not sure it would let you do that, but it sounds a bit like it. |
| 13:51.49 | abrotman | dijenerate: what solved it? |
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| 13:52.35 | abrotman | oh .. the module out of sync .. got it |
| 13:53.03 | dijenerate | abrotman: rolling all the compiz packages back to the shame .79 version (common ground) |
| 13:53.24 | dijenerate | abrotman: I had all except for libcompizconfig0 as .82 from the unstable repos |
| 13:53.33 | blubdiebla | liable i don't know, what i did wrong |
| 13:53.59 | dijenerate | abrotman: couldn't upgrade that one because it had a dependency that could not be found on any repo |
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| 13:54.06 | blubdiebla | i hibernated yesterday and my laptop won't start grub today, is all i know |
| 13:54.22 | drwn | somebody have a link about postfix, dovecot, mysql, ldap, squirrelmail for lenny ? |
| 13:54.35 | liable | blubdiebla: you have hibernated to it before without problem? |
| 13:54.46 | blubdiebla | yes |
| 13:54.59 | liable | ok, good |
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| 13:55.32 | blubdiebla | i did run fdisk, as i posted and my 32 Gig Harddrive is only 15 Mb large now |
| 13:55.40 | blubdiebla | and is missing a partition table |
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| 13:56.41 | fbond | Hi. What is the recommended way to force r8168 to be loaded before r8169? |
| 13:57.11 | liable | blubdiebla: fbond do you need r8186? if not, blacklist it |
| 13:57.21 | liable | err, r8169 |
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| 13:58.37 | fbond | liable: I need both. But I need r8168 loaded first. |
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| 13:59.23 | liable | fbond: why so? |
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| 14:01.00 | fbond | liable: Hey, sorry, I've moved the conversation elsewhere, FYI, but I need both because I have to different chips and one is buggy with r8169 but works with r8168, while the other chip needs r8169. |
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| 14:02.21 | Umren | how to install 2.6.27 kernel on debian lenny? |
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| 14:18.01 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 14:18.02 | dpkg | <Glitch_Master> Have you ever gone to the very beginning of your root command history and read stuff? It's very nostalgic.. <shingouz> Glitch_Master: Yea, I noticed "let there be light" ;) |
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| 14:18.37 | Baneo | hey guys - when i try and visit any php page on my server - it prompts me to download the .php rather than display it - why would this happen? |
| 14:18.55 | liable | !php want me to download still |
| 14:18.58 | liable | bah |
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| 14:19.02 | liable | !php want me to download |
| 14:19.11 | jelly | wants* |
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| 14:19.25 | Baneo | lol |
| 14:19.26 | liable | ah, silly little s |
| 14:19.30 | Baneo | !php wants me to download |
| 14:19.33 | Baneo | :( |
| 14:19.34 | liable | !php wants me to download still |
| 14:19.34 | dpkg | Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x). |
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| 14:19.44 | jelly | dpkg: listkeys wants me |
| 14:19.47 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wants me' by key (3): #debian php wants me to download still ;; php wants me to download still ;; _default php wants me to download still. |
| 14:20.21 | jelly | dpkg: php wants me to download is <reply>see php wants me to download still |
| 14:20.22 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 14:20.26 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i have this problem when i try to apt-get upgrade update-python-modules: error: /usr/share/python-support/python-elementtree.public is not a directory |
| 14:20.26 | Ariel_Calzada | dpkg: error processing python-elementtree (--configure): |
| 14:20.57 | Umren | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:21.04 | themill | judd kernels |
| 14:21.06 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-2~snapshot.12850); sid: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-1); squeeze: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); lenny: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 14:21.37 | liable | Umren: debian skipped 27. sid has 29 now |
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| 14:22.20 | Umren | hm, funny |
| 14:22.27 | Umren | so 28 is pretty stable? or not |
| 14:22.35 | jaggz | anyone use folding@home? I'm trying to display some current status, or the protein being folded graphically |
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| 14:23.09 | Ariel_Calzada | any idea how to fix it???? |
| 14:23.09 | jaggz | I installed the kde folding@home applet, and I used an install script (finstall) which placed fah6 and some other binaries in ~/foldingathome/ |
| 14:23.13 | liable | Umren: its a stable kernel, but depends, some stuff may be buggy.. |
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| 14:24.49 | jelly | judd: where's your 2.6.29 link, bitch! |
| 14:24.49 | judd | jelly: Error: "where's" is not a valid command. |
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| 14:25.36 | jelly | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.29-1-686 |
| 14:25.36 | judd | jelly: linux-image-2.6.29-1-686 -- sid: 2.6.29-2 |
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| 14:26.18 | themill | jelly: the kernel version and module mapping updater needs to be run. Looks like it hasn't been run for a while. |
| 14:26.21 | L|NUX | Hello every one |
| 14:26.27 | L|NUX | can some one tell me how can i find php configure command in debian as it hidden for some reason |
| 14:27.17 | jelly | themill: that, or it only shows the one metapackages linux-image-2.6-686{,-etchnhalf} depend on |
| 14:27.48 | roe_ | anyone know if there is a keyboard shortcut to mouse paste? |
| 14:27.58 | themill | jelly: no, it looks for the versioned packages |
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| 14:28.45 | L|NUX | any one |
| 14:29.11 | themill | L|NUX: which "php configure command" are you looking for? |
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| 14:29.23 | jelly | themill: I blame stew. |
| 14:29.28 | L|NUX | themill: from which i can recompile php :) |
| 14:29.40 | L|NUX | means i do not want to break any thing in php |
| 14:29.48 | jelly | L|NUX: why are you trying to recompile php? |
| 14:29.52 | L|NUX | just want to recompile in same mannar so that it will not break any thing ... |
| 14:30.09 | L|NUX | because i have requirement to build php with builtin gd support |
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| 14:30.20 | jelly | L|NUX: a valid reason. |
| 14:30.26 | themill | the debian packages already have builtin gd support |
| 14:30.33 | L|NUX | nah |
| 14:30.33 | L|NUX | :0 |
| 14:30.35 | L|NUX | they do not |
| 14:30.37 | L|NUX | i am sure |
| 14:30.39 | L|NUX | i can show you |
| 14:30.41 | jelly | themill: nope, they use separate gd library |
| 14:30.45 | Xunie | Anyways... ##linux isn't really helping... I wanna start dhclient on boot the proper debian way (not just rc.local :P) |
| 14:30.47 | themill | ahh, true. |
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| 14:31.09 | liable | Xunie: huh? |
| 14:31.09 | abrotman | Xunie: man 5 interfaces |
| 14:31.12 | themill | Debian's packages use the real gd library not the screwy php version. |
| 14:31.22 | Xunie | liable, deboostrap install doesn't have that by default! |
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| 14:31.31 | themill | L|NUX: /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 14:31.37 | jelly | the screwy php version provides additional ABI |
| 14:31.42 | jelly | er, API |
| 14:31.51 | L|NUX | ok |
| 14:32.10 | themill | which would be accepted upstream if it weren't so screwy |
| 14:32.32 | jelly | themill: it basically makes debian's build unusable for many people; including our customers |
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| 14:32.50 | themill | jelly: yeah. PHP is great like that. |
| 14:32.55 | Xunie | I wonder what happens if I specify an interface that doesn't exist... |
| 14:32.57 | L|NUX | jelly: does it fix my problem |
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| 14:33.19 | jelly | L|NUX: what, rebuilding? |
| 14:33.40 | L|NUX | jelly: php |
| 14:33.51 | L|NUX | yes rebuilding php |
| 14:33.52 | L|NUX | :$ |
| 14:34.00 | L|NUX | using source file with builtin gd support |
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| 14:34.22 | jelly | L|NUX: I've no idea what your problem is, it was _you_ who stated that rebuilding will fix it |
| 14:34.54 | L|NUX | jelly: basically i want to recompile php with builtin gd support |
| 14:35.11 | L|NUX | and for that i need configure parameters used while php has been compiled for debian |
| 14:35.17 | L|NUX | i am looking for that ... |
| 14:35.17 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i need to fix this bug http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/3e5419ff5e4a04c7 |
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| 14:36.23 | jelly | L|NUX: themill has pointed you to the generic way of rebuilding debian packages, if you do that, but fix the gd bits, you should end up with fresh local .deb files |
| 14:36.54 | L|NUX | jelly: gd bits means ? |
| 14:37.08 | \amethyst | L|NUX: do you have the php5 source package downloaded yet? |
| 14:37.10 | codingrobot | L|NUX: gd is built in the standard debian php package |
| 14:37.29 | L|NUX | \amethyst: yes |
| 14:37.35 | \amethyst | L|NUX: if you look at debian/rules inside the source package, you'll see the lines that run configure |
| 14:37.36 | themill | codingrobot: *a* version of gd is, but not the particular version that L|NUX wants. |
| 14:37.37 | L|NUX | codingrobot: no its not |
| 14:37.46 | L|NUX | \amethyst: okay hold |
| 14:37.46 | \amethyst | L|NUX: it passes --with-gd=shared,/usr |
| 14:38.06 | codingrobot | php -m shows thats its there ... |
| 14:38.08 | L|NUX | \amethyst: yes i need to remove that and use --with-gd only |
| 14:38.30 | \amethyst | L|NUX: so edit the debian/rules file and change it |
| 14:38.33 | L|NUX | codingrobot: it will load extension from gd.ini |
| 14:38.48 | L|NUX | \amethyst: give me sec |
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| 14:38.57 | themill | codingrobot: but that doesn't tell you what version of gd is being used, does it? |
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| 14:40.43 | \amethyst | L|NUX: you might also need to disable building php5-gd (in debian/control); and possibly to make the php5 packages provide php5-gd, so that your custom packages will satisfy packages that require php5-gd |
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| 14:41.02 | jelly | codingrobot: debian builds with distro provided gd library; he wants to build with gd source included in php tarball |
| 14:41.12 | L|NUX | \amethyst: i have download php source from php.net |
| 14:41.22 | codingrobot | ok |
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| 14:41.38 | L|NUX | and it does not have debian/rules :$ |
| 14:41.55 | \amethyst | L|NUX: get the Debian source package: apt-get source php5 |
| 14:42.04 | L|NUX | okay |
| 14:42.26 | \amethyst | L|NUX: this way you will build something that differs as little as possible from debian's php5; and that can be installed as a .deb |
| 14:42.37 | \amethyst | L|NUX: (a bunch of .debs, actually, but...) |
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| 14:43.03 | L|NUX | \amethyst: ok i issue apt-get command now i do not where it have save files :) |
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| 14:43.08 | \amethyst | L|NUX: it might also benefit you to do apt-get build-dep php5 so that you have all the required development libraries installed |
| 14:43.40 | L|NUX | okay |
| 14:43.41 | L|NUX | :) |
| 14:43.44 | \amethyst | L|NUX: apt-get source downloads to the current directory. you should have a .orig.gz, a .diff.gz, a .dsc, and a direcotry php5-<version> |
| 14:43.57 | L|NUX | ok |
| 14:44.39 | \amethyst | L|NUX: the directory has the patched source code as well as the debian build scripts |
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| 14:44.55 | L|NUX | \amethyst: i got three files |
| 14:45.12 | L|NUX | php5-5.2.0 php5_5.2.0-8+etch13.diff.gz php5_5.2.0-8+etch13.dsc php5_5.2.0.orig.tar.gz |
| 14:45.21 | L|NUX | now what next |
| 14:45.22 | L|NUX | :) |
| 14:45.28 | \amethyst | L|NUX: cd php5-5.2.0 |
| 14:45.40 | L|NUX | okay |
| 14:45.52 | \amethyst | L|NUX: then edit debian/rules (and maybe debian/control) as we discussed |
| 14:46.26 | L|NUX | done |
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| 14:46.43 | L|NUX | now ? |
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| 14:47.57 | \amethyst | L|NUX: dch -l lnux , describe your changes in the editor that opens, and save |
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| 14:48.22 | \amethyst | L|NUX: where "lnux" is some string to go into the version number to indicate that this is your local version of the package |
| 14:48.24 | L|NUX | \amethyst: command not found :) |
| 14:48.38 | L|NUX | dch command not found |
| 14:48.39 | L|NUX | :) |
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| 14:49.08 | \amethyst | L|NUX: it's in the devscripts package |
| 14:49.20 | L|NUX | lemme install |
| 14:49.27 | \amethyst | L|NUX: you can edit the changelog by hand if you want |
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| 14:50.11 | \amethyst | L|NUX: this is important because the package versions will come from the changelog |
| 14:50.11 | L|NUX | Unknown option: l |
| 14:50.11 | L|NUX | Usage: dch [options] [changelog entry] |
| 14:50.11 | L|NUX | Run dch --help for more details |
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| 14:50.48 | \amethyst | L|NUX: oh, I guess -l was added in sid |
| 14:50.56 | ronr | since I upgraded my lenny (virtual) machine yesterday its iceweasel starts segfaulting all over (running it over ssh with X forwarding), is this a known issue / will there be fix soon? |
| 14:51.36 | L|NUX | \amethyst ? |
| 14:52.20 | \amethyst | L|NUX: just dch then |
| 14:52.24 | L|NUX | ok |
| 14:52.32 | L|NUX | what next |
| 14:54.02 | \amethyst | L|NUX: I would suggest changing the version number to something that indicates it's a locally-built package. maybe add 'lnux1' or 'builtingd1' to the end of the version number in parentheses on the first line |
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| 14:54.15 | L|NUX | i did that |
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| 14:54.22 | L|NUX | dch "buildGD" |
| 14:54.38 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i have this problem http://ariel.pastebin.com/m3d19800e |
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| 14:54.55 | \amethyst | L|NUX: what's in parentheses on the first line? |
| 14:55.24 | Ariel_Calzada | any idea??? |
| 14:55.50 | sebastian | hi htere, I've compiled and installed (using apxs2) the xsendfile module for this apache in debian. I've also added the .load file in mods-available with the line: "LoadModule xsendfile /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_xsendfile.so". When I restart apache it tells me that xsendfile is an undefined symbol. Can someone tell me what I'm missing? |
| 14:55.57 | \amethyst | L|NUX: you'll probably want to edit debian/changelog ; that command added a new entry, but it set "buildGD" as the message |
| 14:56.10 | L|NUX | ok |
| 14:56.11 | L|NUX | hold |
| 14:56.27 | valdyn | sebastian: you really mean mods-enabled |
| 14:56.29 | L|NUX | done |
| 14:56.34 | L|NUX | now what next |
| 14:56.38 | valdyn | sebastian: or that is where it should be symlinked from |
| 14:57.06 | sebastian | the .load I've added in mods available after that I've enabled it |
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| 14:58.26 | valdyn | sebastian: depends on another symbol that is in another module that is not loaded |
| 14:58.29 | sebastian | the permissions in the .so file are ok (equal to all the rest of the modules) |
| 14:58.40 | L|NUX | \amethyst: i have done this part what now sir :) |
| 14:58.43 | verwilst | if i have my own repo with reprepro |
| 14:58.49 | sebastian | valdyn, mm thats interesting |
| 14:58.58 | verwilst | and i have a lenny and an etch pool there |
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| 14:59.04 | valdyn | sebastian: somewhre it should be written or logged which symbol is missing |
| 14:59.07 | JordiGH | After thawing from hibernation, any event in a GTK+ app generates a crapflood of messages like "atk-bridge-WARNING **: failure: no device event controller found." |
| 14:59.07 | \amethyst | L|NUX: edit debian/control and remove the entry for php5-gd (from Package: php5-gd up to the next empty line); also you might want to add Provides: php5-gd to the Package: php5 entry |
| 14:59.16 | alex1 | hi i have problem with setting password |
| 14:59.16 | JordiGH | But everything seems to work fine and dandy. |
| 14:59.37 | verwilst | if i want the same package in both repo's, do i need to name my packages like myapp-1.0-1~lenny ? |
| 14:59.37 | zagibu | alex1: what problem, and what password? |
| 14:59.38 | sebastian | checking logs |
| 14:59.46 | lvh | Hi. |
| 14:59.46 | alex1 | zagibu: im writing wait :D |
| 14:59.59 | lvh | I've been hit by this bug in python-ropemacs : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=519382 |
| 15:00.00 | verwilst | or my own package myapp-1.0-1verwilst1~lenny? |
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| 15:00.30 | \amethyst | L|NUX: this way it won't try to build a package for the php5-gd module (since you're including it in the PHP binary); but it will still satisfy packages looking for php5-gd |
| 15:00.32 | lvh | This has left my dpkg in a pretty bad state. Due to the faulty package, I can't install it, and I can't uninstall it either. |
| 15:00.52 | lvh | How do I uninstall it despite the fact that it's not even installed? |
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| 15:01.13 | sebastian | valdyn, the missing symbol is the xsendfile I've set in the LoadModule sentence |
| 15:01.14 | alex1 | i cant set my own password....but others working ...when i set it while installation then i cant log as root in GUI and i must change it in safe mode |
| 15:01.27 | \amethyst | L|NUX: after that, apt-get build-dep php5; ./debian/rules binary to install build dependencies and do the build... it will build all the packages listed at http://packages.debian.org/source/etch/php5 |
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| 15:01.57 | azeem | lvh: if this is unstable, you have learnt your lesson |
| 15:02.03 | sebastian | valdyn, do you think I should check sources trying to see which name the module expect to have? |
| 15:02.18 | valdyn | sebastian: the docs should suffice |
| 15:02.22 | m0usep0t4t0 | Hi, I finished downloading Lenny DVDs. I have only 1.5 Gigs left on '/var'. Is it possible to upgrade w/out moving /var/cache/apt/archives to some other partition now that I have all DVDs? |
| 15:02.30 | azeem | lvh: I guess you will have to hack around in the postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.postinst to make it install properly, then remove it again |
| 15:02.35 | valdyn | sebastian: and the actual symbol name might already tell you |
| 15:02.40 | sebastian | you mean docs of apache or xsendfile? |
| 15:02.48 | valdyn | sebastian: xsendfile |
| 15:03.01 | L|NUX | i did that part "apt-get build-dep php5" |
| 15:03.03 | m0usep0t4t0 | also, there's no contiguous space on the disk to expand /var |
| 15:03.15 | L|NUX | should i run ./debian/rules |
| 15:03.16 | L|NUX | now |
| 15:03.30 | L|NUX | ok |
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| 15:03.44 | valdyn | m0usep0t4t0: why would you need more than 1.5G ? |
| 15:04.28 | L|NUX | \amethyst: did that |
| 15:04.32 | L|NUX | and now its stop |
| 15:04.45 | sebastian | yes but xsendfile do not came packaged for debian yet (http://tn123.ath.cx/mod_xsendfile/) and regarding to that docs restarting apache is all that is needed but it fails for debian |
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| 15:05.21 | E-bola | Hi all, i just tried updating an etch box to debian, but it fails to upgrade mysql client, reporting: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/innotop', which is also in package innotop |
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| 15:05.36 | E-bola | i do have innotop installed, but im nto sure how to fix this? |
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| 15:05.39 | abrotman | E-bola: to lenny? |
| 15:05.43 | E-bola | to lenny yes, sory :) |
| 15:05.43 | \amethyst | L|NUX: did it stop with an error, or did it finish? |
| 15:05.58 | abrotman | E-bola: which commands did you use? did you follow the release notes? |
| 15:05.58 | L|NUX | \amethyst: finish i think |
| 15:06.01 | E-bola | i used apt-get dist-upgrade, |
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| 15:06.13 | abrotman | that'd be wrong |
| 15:06.14 | E-bola | ive upgraded lots of other servers, didnt have this problem before |
| 15:06.24 | abrotman | E-bola: /msg dpkg overwrite |
| 15:06.44 | valdyn | E-bola: that packagte is probably not from etch or that server is etch before etch was actually released |
| 15:06.57 | valdyn | E-bola: which means youd be trying an unsupported upgrade |
| 15:08.08 | Kazuha | I'm looking for an emulator for 680x0 CPUs -- specifically Mac. (With the host being an AMD-64.) |
| 15:08.13 | L|NUX | \amethyst: what should i do now ? |
| 15:08.27 | valdyn | Kazuha: qemu |
| 15:08.42 | E-bola | it is etch, i do have etch volatile on it though |
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| 15:09.15 | valdyn | !tell Kazuha -about search |
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| 15:10.01 | E-bola | I'm trying to use dpkg --force-overwrite, we'll see how it goes |
| 15:10.11 | justin | Kazuha: basislisk2 ? |
| 15:10.58 | file-exists-p | is away - not here - msgs are logged |
| 15:10.59 | Kazuha | BasiliskII stopped working (for me) over two years ago. |
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| 15:11.20 | Kazuha | But that one emulated what I wanted to emulate well. |
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| 15:13.37 | E-bola | that did the trick, thanks abrotman |
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| 15:13.55 | E-bola | ahh i see i do indeed have an innotop.deb file in my root dir |
| 15:14.01 | E-bola | so i guess i installed it from somewhere else |
| 15:14.10 | E-bola | so nto a bug, just me with a screwy install |
| 15:14.10 | E-bola | :) |
| 15:14.35 | xxtjaxx | Im using boostlib in my program and want to package it for debian what do i have to write in control Depends to mention boost lib ? is ${boostlib:Depends} right? |
| 15:15.40 | stew | themill: wb ; my cronjob was wrong. it was "E: Cowardly refusing to dump data in pristine cwd" |
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| 15:15.55 | stew | themill: and btw, "E: No package matching 'linux-image-2.6.[0-9]+-[0-9]-686$' could not be found for release trunk" |
| 15:16.26 | themill | stew: yeah, just noticed that they had changed their versioning scheme in the last cycle... |
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| 15:17.33 | lvh | azeem: it wasnt postinst but prerm apparently -- manually hacking it fixed it! Thanks! |
| 15:17.42 | SQlvpapir | hmm so ipmasq does not support nat-pmp/upnp port mapping? |
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| 15:17.53 | lvh | That bug has been reported over a month ago, with patch :( |
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| 15:19.33 | jelly | SQlvpapir: there's a userspace daemon to take care of upnp firewall-punching features, I think |
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| 15:19.43 | jelly | judd: info linux-igd |
| 15:19.43 | judd | jelly: linux-igd (net): is optional; Version: 1.0+cvs20070630-2; Size: 32.3k; Installed: 144k -- Linux UPnP Internet Gateway Device |
| 15:19.50 | jelly | SQlvpapir: ^^ |
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| 15:21.28 | jelly | SQlvpapir: I've never tried the debian package, but the firmware in my router at home uses some old version of linux-igd and it works |
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| 15:22.25 | SQlvpapir | hmm I am not sure we are speaking about the same thing |
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| 15:23.49 | Klinsen | http://klinsen.mybrute.com/ |
| 15:23.51 | SQlvpapir | my ipmasq machine is behind a router that support upnp and it works very well w/o the ipmasq gateway. However ipmasq blocks incomming connections. I guess I just need to loosen up ipmasq rules then? |
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| 15:23.57 | Klinsen | http://klinsen.mybrute.com/ |
| 15:24.01 | hoxu | !ops Klinsen spamming |
| 15:24.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: Klinsen spamming |
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| 15:27.01 | liable | then you would have gotten banned! |
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| 15:28.39 | red_eyes | Hello. I have debian kde installed. But KDE Kooka Scan doesn't recognise my scanner. Can someone help me please? |
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| 15:29.41 | sebastian | valdyn, the symbol problem was about seting the wrong name in the module name |
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| 15:29.52 | EmleyMoor | red_eyes: I guess that is a sane frontend. Can you use the scanner from other programs (scanimage, say) |
| 15:29.56 | EmleyMoor | ? |
| 15:30.29 | sebastian | valdyn, for the xsendfile I was setting 'xsendfile' and 'mod_xsendfile' but the right one is 'xsendfile_module' |
| 15:30.34 | xxtjaxx | EmleyMoor are u a maintainer? ? |
| 15:30.47 | sebastian | now is working |
| 15:30.52 | EmleyMoor | xxtjaxx: No |
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| 15:30.59 | red_eyes | EmleyMoor: I don't have another scanning program. Should I install scanimage? |
| 15:31.05 | xxtjaxx | Who is a maintainer? |
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| 15:31.57 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 15:31.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 15:32.05 | stew | xxtjaxx: maintainer of what? |
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| 15:32.09 | EmleyMoor | red_eyes: I would make sure you have sufficient parts of sane installed |
| 15:32.12 | abrotman | he has packaging questions |
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| 15:32.25 | xxtjaxx | stew debian package maintainer |
| 15:32.27 | red_eyes | EmleyMoor: What is sane? |
| 15:32.31 | stew | xxtjaxx: of which package? |
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| 15:32.53 | EmleyMoor | Scanner Access Now Easy - a common interface between Linux and scanners |
| 15:32.54 | xxtjaxx | stew that doesnt matter just someone who can help me getting my package right |
| 15:33.21 | red_eyes | EmleyMoor: So what should I download? |
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| 15:33.40 | EmleyMoor | red_eyes: What kind of scanner do you have? |
| 15:34.00 | stew | xxtjaxx: just ask your real question |
| 15:34.04 | red_eyes | hp officejet 6110 |
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| 15:34.25 | \amethyst | L|NUX: that should have created a bunch of .debs one directory up |
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| 15:34.44 | \amethyst | L|NUX: install them (or at least the ones you need) with dpkg -i |
| 15:35.13 | xxtjaxx | abrotman, when Im writing the rules file and want to use relative paths to the files in my directory do i have to use "dosomething with " ../myfile or can i just so "something" ./myfile as it would be in the root directory of my project |
| 15:35.14 | EmleyMoor | red_eyes: That is not listed on www.sane-project.org... |
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| 15:35.44 | stew | xxtjaxx: you want to use relative paths to do what? |
| 15:36.16 | xxtjaxx | stew to move say README to /usr/share/doc/myproject/README |
| 15:36.31 | \amethyst | xxtjaxx: debian/rules gets run from the top level directory, not the debian directory |
| 15:36.34 | stew | xxtjaxx: "dh_installdoc README" |
| 15:36.53 | xxtjaxx | \amethyst, thanks+ |
| 15:36.54 | stew | err dh_installdocs |
| 15:37.08 | red_eyes | EmleyMoor: So what do I do now? |
| 15:37.18 | dijenerate | hi all |
| 15:37.28 | EmleyMoor | red_eyes: You could try it though - install libsane and libsane-extras |
| 15:37.28 | Cyorxamp | Does anyone see a problem with... echo "moo" | mail -s "moo" my@email.com |
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| 15:37.34 | dijenerate | anyone here know how to perform a downgrade or force version with apt-get? |
| 15:37.41 | stew | xxtjaxx: or create debian/docs or debian/packagename.docs which lists all the docs you want installed, one per line, relative to the project root, and call "dh_installdocs" from the install target |
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| 15:37.51 | stew | dijenerate: apt-get install package=version |
| 15:38.05 | dijenerate | k, will thry that |
| 15:38.09 | dijenerate | !try |
| 15:38.09 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 15:38.11 | dijenerate | thanks |
| 15:38.15 | gaintsura | anyone know what category icedove is in, inside aptitude? |
| 15:38.27 | JordiGH | gaintsura: networking? |
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| 15:38.36 | alex1 | i am looking for 24x24 debian logo |
| 15:38.40 | alex1 | anyone ? |
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| 15:39.09 | EmleyMoor | gaintsura: mail I think |
| 15:39.20 | stew | gaintsura: you can hit "/" to search and type "icedove" |
| 15:39.35 | stew | gaintsura: (and hit n to get to the nexst search result) |
| 15:39.44 | gaintsura | in aptitude at textmode? |
| 15:39.46 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i have this error update-python-modules: error: /usr/share/python-support/python-elementtree.public is not a directory |
| 15:39.54 | gaintsura | well son of a bitch |
| 15:39.55 | gaintsura | =D |
| 15:39.57 | stew | gaintsura: or searching for "icedove$" would probably find the one you are looking for hte first tome |
| 15:40.02 | stew | time* |
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| 15:41.53 | stew | how the heck did I manage to start irssi not in screen? |
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| 15:42.28 | xxtjaxx | thats my rules file by now http://pastebin.com/m6b39c9c8 |
| 15:42.28 | cahoot | rethoric question? |
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| 15:42.37 | xxtjaxx | is that correct |
| 15:42.51 | hallowname | how can i can a file with the list of every package installed? (without version) so i can "cat my_packages | sudo apt-get install" later. tips? |
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| 15:43.08 | xxtjaxx | cahoot, a rethoric question is a question where u know th answer before it comes |
| 15:43.16 | cahoot | hallowname: try /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 15:43.19 | liable | hallowname: /msg dpkg selections |
| 15:43.54 | hallowname | xxtjaxx: rhetoric questions are questions that are meant to be unanswered. :) |
| 15:43.57 | hallowname | cahoot: thx |
| 15:44.01 | hallowname | liable: thx |
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| 15:44.34 | stew | its a question where the question itself is supposed to influence someone |
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| 15:44.43 | action09 | hallowname search with dpkg, e.g. dpkg -l | egrep "$ii" is a list of the packages installed on your system, you can export this list in a file and later reinstall them |
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| 15:44.53 | action09 | hallowname if its the question asked.. :) |
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| 15:45.13 | cahoot | sorry for the noise I ignited |
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| 15:45.29 | hallowname | action09: indeed, i like this approach better, thx :D |
| 15:45.37 | hallowname | gotta install stupid ubuntu anyway |
| 15:45.44 | hallowname | thx channel. *poof* |
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| 15:46.42 | gaintsura | is there a package to install the entire mozilla suite (but unbranded)? |
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| 15:48.09 | themill | dpkg: tell gaintsura about iceape |
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| 15:49.21 | Cyorxamp | Hey I've got frozen messages on exim |
| 15:49.29 | Cyorxamp | I tell it exim -qff and it does nothing - HELP! :D |
| 15:49.43 | trupheenix | hi i cannot partition my thumbdrive i have created an ext3 partition on /dev/sdb but now i want to make it into a fat thumb drive any suggestions? |
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| 15:50.08 | trupheenix | i cannot create a vfat partition on the entire thumbdrive. apparently it's not allowed |
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| 15:51.12 | gaintsura | thanks the |
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| 15:51.15 | gaintsura | errr |
| 15:51.17 | gaintsura | thanks themill |
| 15:51.20 | red_eyes | EmleyMoor: It says already the newest version and set to manually installed. |
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| 15:51.56 | EmleyMoor | red_eyes: It is probable that your scanner is not supported |
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| 15:52.45 | red_eyes | EmleyMoor: ok thank you. If I had another scanner, would it be recognise automatically? |
| 15:53.21 | EmleyMoor | Well, I don't know the program you use - but xsane recognises mine automatically |
| 15:53.47 | EmleyMoor | (it has to ask me which backend to use as there are three) |
| 15:53.48 | gaintsura | next question: I used envy-ng when I was on ubuntu to configure my system to use advanced desktop effects. now I can't seem to find envy-ng in the debian repo's, how can I get advanced desktop settings setup? |
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| 15:54.54 | Sertse | have you read the setup guide? http://spring.clan-sy.com/wiki/SetupGuide |
| 15:55.07 | Sertse | Otherwise try #taspring or #springlobby on freenode... |
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| 15:57.22 | gaintsura | Sertse: was that at me? |
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| 15:59.20 | smacnay | I migrated from testing to sid and wonder if I need to remove nvidia 174.xx packages to be able to install the 180.xx packages that are in sid? |
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| 16:00.48 | Sertse | depends, someone asked about spring on debian... I personally only installed it on Ubuntu and Mandriva, so I can't help directly, only know the usual places... |
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| 16:02.22 | gaintsura | Sertse: so then, no it was not me, I'm loooking for advanced desktop effects |
| 16:02.30 | xxtjaxx_ | what is wrong when get tzhis http://pastebin.com/m66e16153 |
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| 16:03.34 | xxtjaxx_ | Can someone of the maintainers her help me?http://pastebin.com/m66e16153 i get this error although its jusrt the descripotion |
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| 16:05.13 | stew | xxtjaxx_: you need to indent the lines in the long description with a sinlge space |
| 16:05.15 | alex12 | hi guys im trying to browse a russian, and then a chinese ftp servers from my cli using ftp, characters are all mashed .... should i be using utf-8? as my standard |
| 16:05.25 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i have debian testing and i have this problem update-python-modules: error: /usr/share/python-support/python-elementtree.public is not a directory |
| 16:05.33 | Ariel_Calzada | any idea |
| 16:05.34 | JordiGH | alex12: Russian speakers still overwhelmingly use KOI-8 in my experience. |
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| 16:06.36 | alex12 | JordiGH, with that character set, can i "browse" chinese/other languages ftpsites aswell? possible to "load" up all character sets, so that no matter what language ftp server im on, ill get characters? |
| 16:06.40 | xxtjaxx_ | stew now its issuing wioth the depends what should i change to have that right cuz i though i have just to name the packages |
| 16:06.43 | gaintsura | !envy-ng |
| 16:06.50 | gaintsura | fail |
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| 16:07.15 | JordiGH | alex12: No, KOI-8 is only for Russian. |
| 16:07.21 | stew | xxtjaxx_: i didn't follow that |
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| 16:07.36 | xxtjaxx_ | just look again http://pastebin.com/m66e16153 |
| 16:07.38 | JordiGH | alex12: You can load all character sets, but the computer still won't be able to know which character set you want. |
| 16:07.39 | alex12 | JordiGH, hrm thanks, how would you suggest my second question? |
| 16:07.45 | alex12 | JordiGH, yeah crap. |
| 16:07.52 | xxtjaxx_ | stewit says cant read it |
| 16:07.55 | xxtjaxx_ | stew it says cant read it |
| 16:08.04 | JordiGH | I'm not sure what Chinese uses. I would guess UTF-8. |
| 16:08.14 | hesco | can anyone advise how to resolve this issue? "aplay: test_wavefile:734: can't play not PCM-coded WAVE-files" |
| 16:08.17 | stew | xxtjaxx_: yes, becuase your long description needs to have its lines indented by one space |
| 16:08.30 | alex12 | my second problem, is that i put some small amount of ftp data into txt files, then i need to import this into mysql |
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| 16:08.54 | xxtjaxx_ | stew thats done now but now its issuing the control files DEPENDS |
| 16:08.57 | stew | xxtjaxx_: it looks at a line like "With the Help of mkporoject you can create your own project" and tries to parse it as a control field since it doesn't begin with a space, and gets confused that there is no ":" |
| 16:09.00 | JordiGH | mysql -u username -p databasename < the_sql_dmp.sql |
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| 16:09.15 | stew | xxtjaxx_: what do you mean by "issuing the control files DEPENDS" ? |
| 16:09.28 | alex12 | JordiGH, ah sorry didnt complete that, the datastructure im using in mysql is utf-8 |
| 16:09.38 | LinuS | Hello. i have a 6years old dual xeon-1gb ram HP proliant server. I've installed debian 4 on this system some times ago without any problems. Unfortunately my gf issued rm -rf /.. So i went back trying to reinstall debian 4 (same cd of the first time) but this time i wasn't able to (can't remember why but i guess the reason are the same with the debian 5 cd). So i dled debian 5, burned it and tried to install that. it boots kernel (after |
| 16:09.41 | LinuS | any clues? |
| 16:09.41 | alex12 | so it should hold all datasets for all languages .... |
| 16:09.48 | JordiGH | alex12: That depends on your locale, but Debian already uses UTF-8 as default. |
| 16:10.12 | xxtjaxx_ | stew i know that and it got corrected now it is in exit status 255 because the Depends: line seems to be wrong he cant read it or some kind |
| 16:10.13 | liable | LinuS: your text got cut off |
| 16:10.22 | LinuS | So i dled debian 5, burned it and tried to install that. it boots kernel (after a while (30-60sec) with something i couldn't read, perhaps error), let me choose language, localization etc then it stucks. |
| 16:10.37 | stew | xxtjaxx_: you shouldn't have commas in the Depends: line |
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| 16:10.53 | LinuS | i also tried graphical install and automated install, but they got stuck too |
| 16:11.11 | stew | xxtjaxx_: oh, maybe you should |
| 16:11.25 | stew | xxtjaxx_: your Build-Depends line should |
| 16:11.29 | xxtjaxx_ | stew nope seems to wrong stoo |
| 16:11.43 | stew | xxtjaxx_: both Depends and Build-Depends should be comma separated |
| 16:11.49 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i don't know how to solve my problem http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524303 |
| 16:12.21 | xxtjaxx_ | stew, it says dpkg-source: Fehler: Fehler beim Parsen von Build-Depends |
| 16:12.21 | stew | Ariel_Calzada: "Subject: Bug#524303: fixed in elementtree 1.2.6-14 |
| 16:12.37 | alex12 | JordiGH, so im still rather stuck on this, i need to be able to view chars from all languages, somehow i need to set the right locale before i access every ftp |
| 16:12.51 | JordiGH | alex12: That's life, yes. |
| 16:12.59 | Ariel_Calzada | stew: yeah i know but how i can do it in my testing box |
| 16:13.07 | stew | xxtjaxx_: separate the packages in the Build-Depends: with commas |
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| 16:13.26 | JordiGH | alex12: UTF-8 is supposed to be One Encoding to Rule Them All... except those stubborn Russians that still use KOI-8, as well as those stubborn Japanese that somehow don't like UTF-8's characters. |
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| 16:13.52 | alex12 | JordiGH, can i quickly pm you? couple of things to show |
| 16:13.57 | alex12 | as im slightly stumped |
| 16:14.01 | alex12 | on 2 thigns |
| 16:14.04 | JordiGH | alex12: No, keep it public, please. I'm no expert. |
| 16:14.07 | alex12 | sure, |
| 16:14.19 | alex12 | this for example: |
| 16:14.20 | alex12 | http://www.mmnt.ru/int/get?st=mp3 |
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| 16:14.37 | alex12 | 2nd link down, text comes up as : <?>'s |
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| 16:14.49 | alex12 | however, in the status bar, when you mouse over the file, you see the shit in russian |
| 16:15.07 | alex12 | same goes for chinese chars |
| 16:15.15 | stew | Ariel_Calzada: download and install the newer version by hand, or use the more dangerious: /msg dpkg quick squeeze/sid mix |
| 16:15.34 | JordiGH | alex12: Yeah, the page is sending the wrong header. It's not your fault. It's theirs. I just told Mozilla Watermoth to use KOI-8, and now I can read the Russian. |
| 16:15.56 | alex12 | <META HTTP-EQUIV="content-type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> |
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| 16:15.58 | alex12 | he's using this |
| 16:16.05 | LinuS | Hello. i have a 6years old dual xeon-1gb ram HP proliant server. I've installed debian 4 on this system some times ago without any problems. Unfortunately my gf issued rm -rf /.. So i went back trying to reinstall debian 4 (same cd of the first time) but this time i wasn't able to (can't remember why but i guess the reason are the same with the debian 5 cd). |
| 16:16.13 | LinuS | So i dled debian 5, burned it and tried to install that. it boots kernel (after a while (30-60sec) with something i couldn't read, perhaps error), let me choose language, localization etc then it stucks. i also tried graphical install and automated install, but they got stuck too |
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| 16:16.16 | file-exists-p | your gf hates you |
| 16:16.18 | JordiGH | alex12: yeah, but the page is not actually in UTF-8... wait, it might not be KOI-8 either, it's gibberish. |
| 16:16.22 | LinuS | any clues? can someone help? tnks :) |
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| 16:16.42 | alex12 | http://www.mmnt.ru/int/get?in=f&st=mp3&ot=241 |
| 16:16.46 | alex12 | comes up for for me in russian |
| 16:16.47 | alex12 | hrm |
| 16:16.57 | file-exists-p | is there a regex.h for utf 8 ? |
| 16:16.58 | liable | LinuS: look on vt4 to see if it gives a clue why it hangs |
| 16:17.00 | stew | LinuS: you might try running memtest86 or something to see if you perhaps have faulty ram |
| 16:17.10 | jelly | LinuS: which model? |
| 16:17.13 | Ariel_Calzada | stew: elementtree 1.2.6-14 is source package not deb package so i don't know how to do it |
| 16:17.23 | Ariel_Calzada | stew: :-( |
| 16:17.34 | stew | Ariel_Calzada: yes, python-elementtree is the binary pacakge you want |
| 16:17.49 | hesco | what package provides aplay ??? |
| 16:17.51 | stew | Ariel_Calzada: and python-elementtree would have been uploaded with the elementtree source package |
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| 16:17.55 | E-bola | Hmm can it be correct that dcc-client and dcc-common doesnt exist in lenny, on packages.debian.org its only listed under etch |
| 16:17.55 | stew | hesco: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 16:18.04 | hesco | thanks stew |
| 16:18.05 | jelly | E-bola: yes. |
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| 16:18.19 | JordiGH | alex12: Yeah, the other page has the wrong encoding in the header. It's not UTF-8. Not your fault. It's theirs. |
| 16:18.21 | LinuS | jelly: server model? proliant M350 |
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| 16:18.30 | alex12 | right ok.... thanks for your help |
| 16:18.31 | themill | alex12: you have a mixture of different encodings on that page. The page claims to be UTF-8 but the filenames are encoded in KOI8-R. Madness ensues. |
| 16:18.36 | E-bola | jelly: any idea why? |
| 16:18.37 | jelly | LinuS: ML350, you mean? |
| 16:18.44 | LinuS | ML yes, sorry |
| 16:18.49 | gaintsura | how do I enabled advanced desktop settings/effects (mainly compiz rendering) on lenny? envy-ng and fglrx are not in the repos..? |
| 16:18.57 | jelly | LinuS: no G and a number after thaT? |
| 16:19.01 | LinuS | no |
| 16:19.07 | Ariel_Calzada | stew: so??? how to do it :-( |
| 16:19.14 | E-bola | all ml350 has a G number |
| 16:19.19 | E-bola | 1-5 |
| 16:19.30 | jelly | E-bola: even the first generation? |
| 16:19.34 | JordiGH | alex12: Aha, found it. It should be Windows 1251. |
| 16:19.36 | LinuS | i guess it's a 3rd gen one |
| 16:19.40 | LinuS | seeing the specs |
| 16:19.43 | LinuS | (dual xeon 2.8) |
| 16:19.46 | E-bola | jelly: lets pretend so :) |
| 16:19.58 | stew | Ariel_Calzada: either download it from pdo (/msg dpkg pdo) or use the more dangerous: /msg dpkg quick squeeze/sid mix |
| 16:19.58 | JordiGH | themill: The filenames aren't KOI-8 either. It's a Windows encoding. It took me a while to figure it out. |
| 16:20.00 | E-bola | Linus: if u can see the case physically it should say |
| 16:20.04 | alex12 | themill, JordiGH : what gets me is the fact that even tho the title of the file comes up with <?><?><?><?>'s etc .... that the status bar filename still appears .... oh! |
| 16:20.08 | alex12 | 1251 hrm |
| 16:20.10 | LinuS | i'll go check it |
| 16:20.48 | JordiGH | alex12: Debian Seabat to use that encoding and then you can read the filenames. |
| 16:21.01 | jelly | LinuS: hm, you should be able to install lenny on it. For etch, the kernel doesn't support all the hardware so you might need the images from kmuto.jp, or an installer with etchnhalf 2.6.24 kernel |
| 16:21.04 | JordiGH | 2 is "AudioTrek" for example. |
| 16:21.25 | themill | JordiGH: oh... telling iceweasel to have a crack at it with KOI changed the ??s into plausiable looking characters... :) |
| 16:21.35 | JordiGH | themill: It was gibberish. :-/ |
| 16:21.38 | alex12 | JordiGH, seabat .? |
| 16:21.44 | LinuS | E-bola: no g numbers. |
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| 16:21.54 | themill | JordiGH: yeah, 1251 looks better. |
| 16:21.57 | JordiGH | alex12: firemoth, icewolf, windbat, seabat, whatever. |
| 16:22.06 | LinuS | jelly: hmm i see, lenny = 4.0? |
| 16:22.59 | alex12 | JordiGH, this be browsers? sorry |
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| 16:23.10 | JordiGH | alex12: It's all the same browser. ;-) |
| 16:23.32 | LinuS | oh, i now remember.. i actually was able to install 4.0 indeed. but after rebooting it gave an error on boot so the system didn't actually boot, but that might be another problem perhaps (such as i set something wrong installing it?) |
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| 16:24.17 | jelly | LinuS: lenny = 5.0, current stable. etch = 4.0 |
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| 16:24.47 | xxtjaxx_ | stew whats wrong at this one http://pastebin.com/m3e86dfed |
| 16:24.49 | LinuS | right. but lenny won't start :p |
| 16:24.53 | JordiGH | wonders why do we even bother with numbers. |
| 16:25.02 | themill | alex12: the filenames in the links are URL encoded which has a defined encoding hence works out fine. |
| 16:25.07 | JordiGH | Seriously, does anyone remember what number bo, slink, and hamm were? |
| 16:25.12 | jelly | JordiGH: yes. |
| 16:25.16 | JordiGH | jelly: Freak. |
| 16:25.31 | jelly | JordiGH: you misordered them. |
| 16:25.40 | jpinx | presumably 1, 2 and 3 ? |
| 16:25.40 | JordiGH | jelly: Probably because I don't remember their numbers. |
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| 16:25.48 | alex12 | themill, ftp://90.157.1.119/film/%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%86/grishkovets.rpod.ru/05_God_ etc? |
| 16:25.51 | alex12 | ah ..... okay |
| 16:25.52 | themill | JordiGH: there's a strange convention that 5.0 > 4.0 but it's less obvious that lenny > etch. |
| 16:25.54 | themill | alex12: yes. |
| 16:26.35 | JordiGH | 15 years of Debian... and only at version 5. |
| 16:26.43 | JordiGH | Emacs would be at version 18 by now. |
| 16:26.43 | jelly | alex12: please inform your warez dealer to fix their filenames and use UTF-8 only. |
| 16:26.57 | alex12 | jelly, haha |
| 16:27.02 | jpinx | I suppose it's easier to do 5.0.1 than lenny.0.1 |
| 16:27.08 | liable | yes, but emacs is even larger than all of debian |
| 16:27.19 | JordiGH | jelly, Russia didn't have copyright law until the 70's.. and even now, they don't take it too seriously. |
| 16:27.19 | alex12 | jelly, im doing a similar project, smaller scale, just trying to tackle this language issues |
| 16:27.22 | JordiGH | God bless the motherland. |
| 16:27.27 | stew | xxtjaxx_: can i see your debian/rules? |
| 16:27.42 | JordiGH | liable: How does that work, with Emacs part of Debian? |
| 16:27.45 | xxtjaxx_ | stew wait |
| 16:27.47 | edju | cannot compile the propietary nvidia kernel module - wrong gcc, 4.3 not 4.1. ran export CC=gcc-4.1, but still same problem. any advice appreciated. |
| 16:28.11 | liable | JordiGH: some weird recursion thing im sure. |
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| 16:28.20 | LinuS | lol |
| 16:28.20 | stew | edju: i'd advise you to buy a motherboard with an intel graphics card :) |
| 16:28.22 | xxtjaxx_ | stew thats the one http://pastebin.com/md289110 |
| 16:28.42 | JordiGH | stew: Dudes at #compiz say that the free ATI drivers are actually getting good by now! |
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| 16:29.19 | alex12 | JordiGH, themill : so now the main issue here is , that during my ftp extraction - where i dump my data into a txt file, i should just set my locale to utf-8 .? and then during the import into mysql look at url encoding? for the url part? |
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| 16:29.27 | stew | xxtjaxx_: what is telling "make install" to install to the debian/mkproject directory? |
| 16:29.30 | jelly | JordiGH: I've just run a rss-glx screensaver to test... it's not really true. |
| 16:29.42 | themill | edju: try installing the nvidia drivers the debian way ; /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 16:29.48 | JordiGH | jelly: I've been lied to. :-( |
| 16:29.49 | L|NUX | \amethyst: you arround |
| 16:30.00 | alex12 | JordiGH, themill : and for the text of the filename, hold it all as utf8 in the mysql db.... and go from there? |
| 16:30.06 | stew | xxtjaxx_: you should probably be calling dh_install |
| 16:30.27 | jelly | JordiGH: probably depends on the particular ATI card, git kernel and mesa, svn xorg etc. :-) |
| 16:30.29 | JordiGH | alex12: You can't switch encodings of the actual data just by changing your locale. You have to change the data itself. |
| 16:30.33 | LinuS | hm. i guess i'll try again with my etch cd :( |
| 16:30.37 | LinuS | and memtest |
| 16:30.55 | JordiGH | jelly: I had pretty good results once with the radeon drivers for some older cards. |
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| 16:31.00 | stew | xxtjaxx_: you should definately be calling dh_strip, dh_compress, dh_fixperms, dh_installdeb, dh_shlibdeps, dh_gencontrol, dh_md5sums, dh_builddeb |
| 16:31.03 | alex12 | JordiGH, sure, but its about maintaining the data inside my txt file, so that when i import into the db, im not mashing it in anyway etc... |
| 16:31.08 | themill | alex12: yes. This stuff is hard to get right though... how do you know your users are going to give you utf-8 encoded filenames? btw /msg dpkg mysql utf8 |
| 16:31.22 | stew | xxtjaxx_: all your targets should be marked as .PHONY |
| 16:31.37 | gravity | The radeon driver is getting much better |
| 16:31.57 | stew | xxtjaxx_: well not the -stamp targets |
| 16:31.59 | jelly | LinuS: once upon a time, I'd successfully installed rackmount proliants from that generation using these images: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 16:32.07 | JordiGH | alex12: You have to figure out what the remote server is using. If you don't want to change the data, then you have to keep using that encoding to view the data as well. Otherwise, I think there are some tools that try to guess how to convert between one encoding and the other. |
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| 16:32.23 | jelly | LinuS: probably something like 2.6.20 - 2.6.24 kernel and etch image |
| 16:32.24 | stew | xxtjaxx_: if your configure-stamp target isn't going to do anything, you can get rid of configure and configure-stamp |
| 16:32.27 | JordiGH | just rips his own CDs, uses UTF-8 for everything, and uploads UTF-8 to MusicBrainz.org |
| 16:32.40 | L|NUX | i am trying add builtin GD support in php5 but its not working can some one tell me what should i do now ? |
| 16:32.49 | JordiGH | ÐÐµÐ»Ð°Ñ ÐваÑдиÑ.ogg |
| 16:32.56 | LinuS | jelly: mh, thanks |
| 16:33.00 | LinuS | ill try those out |
| 16:33.19 | LinuS | why did you use those? standard ones werent working? |
| 16:33.31 | alex12 | JordiGH, themill : thanks, and thanks..... so to summarize, use utf-8 all the way, (for now, maybe fuck the rest), locale: utf-8 , set mysql settings to all utf-8..... thats to maintain the data,..... and for URL encoding, look at decypting the utf-8 somehow and putting url encoding stuff onit etc |
| 16:33.34 | alex12 | missions............ |
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| 16:33.57 | JordiGH | alex12: Sorry. If it's any consolation, we all hate character encoding issues too. |
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| 16:34.02 | jelly | JordiGH: вÑ
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| 16:34.12 | LinuS | lol |
| 16:34.14 | L|NUX | LinuS: you talking with me ? |
| 16:34.16 | JordiGH | jelly: Hehehe... |
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| 16:34.32 | JordiGH | jelly: What's that anyways, Serbian? |
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| 16:34.54 | JordiGH | you = Ю |
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| 16:35.23 | jelly | JordiGH: I had much trouble trying to write a three letter you and gave up |
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| 16:35.27 | jpinx | phonetic |
| 16:35.30 | osfd_ | what is the command to see all partition on my primary disk please ...? |
| 16:35.35 | themill | alex12: yeah, that's a reasonable summary. db client, db connection, db contents, web page and web browser must all be told to use UTF-8. |
| 16:35.40 | Apocalypse | Hola all, where is the latest docs on debian+xen howto for servers? Thanks! |
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| 16:35.50 | upIRC | osfd_: fdisk -l |
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| 16:36.22 | osfd_ | upIRC: thank you |
| 16:36.29 | upIRC | np |
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| 16:37.09 | alex12 | JordiGH, themill :thanks again, ill add you chaps to the credits and thanks, when shes up :) |
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| 16:38.31 | xxtjaxx_ | stew but it cant find a file whats uip with that |
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| 16:42.11 | xxtjaxx_ | freddy connection problems? |
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| 16:43.28 | ole2 | hi, does someone know how to get vertical sync in x11 working? I use lenny with an intel 645GME |
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| 16:44.00 | cusco | can't you just set the v-sync values? |
| 16:44.06 | ole2 | where? |
| 16:44.25 | ole2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.27 | cahoot | why should one need to? |
| 16:44.41 | ole2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:45.03 | ole2 | so i get screen tearing |
| 16:45.13 | cusco | yea, I had many times "out of range" showing up on my screen |
| 16:45.31 | ole2 | nope, not out of range |
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| 16:45.56 | cusco | same problem tho |
| 16:46.05 | ole2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_tearing |
| 16:46.09 | cusco | you set it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 16:46.13 | ole2 | what can i do |
| 16:46.21 | ole2 | ok, in the modeline? |
| 16:46.57 | xxtjaxx_ | my dpkg-genchanges says cant read Filelist-file: file not found whats wrong there i try to build a package |
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| 16:47.40 | cusco | ole2: I really don't remember, I wa trying to find it.. I use it in my other pc that I can't access right now |
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| 16:48.02 | cusco | http://voltaire.nfshost.com/transfer/xorg.conf should give you some examples tho |
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| 16:50.55 | JordiGH | is there anything like mysql-query-browser but... not that? It doesn't let me set the colours, and it clashes with my GTK+ theme. |
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| 16:52.05 | xxtjaxx_ | CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE HELPME HERE°! |
| 16:52.10 | osfd_ | upIRC: that does not really tells me ALL partition |
| 16:52.21 | osfd_ | xxtjaxx_: sure if you stop shouting |
| 16:52.30 | xxtjaxx_ | oh uh sorry |
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| 16:53.09 | xxtjaxx_ | dpkg-gechanges fails because it cnt find filelist file : no such file or directory where do i have to them in ? |
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| 16:53.41 | stew | xxtjaxx_: can you show me your new debian/rules? |
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| 16:53.47 | xxtjaxx_ | stew |
| 16:53.48 | JordiGH | opts for phpMyAdmin |
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| 16:54.25 | xxtjaxx_ | stew here http://pastebin.com/m30d943 |
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| 16:54.50 | stew | xxtjaxx_: did you see all the comments I made before? |
| 16:55.03 | xxtjaxx_ | stew i left configure and configure stamp there because it complined |
| 16:55.06 | ole2 | cusco: my current modeline is clacualted automatical, an, since i do not have tearing in overlay xv video mode, i think it is ok |
| 16:55.13 | stew | xxtjaxx_: you don't actually install any files into debian/mkproject |
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| 16:55.42 | xxtjaxx_ | i know |
| 16:55.45 | stew | xxtjaxx_: you should definately be calling dh_strip, dh_compress, dh_fixperms, dh_installdeb, dh_shlibdeps, dh_gencontrol, dh_md5sums, dh_builddeb |
| 16:56.02 | ole2 | cusco: but with glx or dbe i can not get the right timing |
| 16:56.06 | xxtjaxx_ | stew which target? |
| 16:56.44 | tuvwx | how usable/popular is debtorrent? |
| 16:56.46 | stew | xxtjaxx_: install, after you've actually installed the files to debian/mkproject (which dh_install could help with) |
| 16:56.49 | ole2 | cusco: i tried drm ioctl, patched the driver acording to xorg mailinglist ... |
| 16:57.00 | stew | tuvwx: usable and not popular |
| 16:57.19 | ole2 | cusco: thanks for your help |
| 16:57.19 | tuvwx | stew: shame.. sounds like a good idea |
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| 16:59.21 | ehazlett | is there a library to mount netbsd filesystems (FFS) |
| 16:59.43 | xxtjaxx_ | stew it now creates the package but its warning me for not found pgp key where is that to put to? |
| 16:59.57 | stew | xxtjaxx_: in your default gpg keyring |
| 17:00.05 | kenjy | how can I make my audio line-in my audio line-out? I wanna get two output lines =) is there a way to do this? |
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| 17:01.40 | osfd_ | what is the command to see all partition on my primary disk please ...? fdisk -l does not really tells me ALL partitions |
| 17:01.48 | jintxo | ehazlett, I mount freebsd filesystems as ufs, I believe netbsd ones can be too (not sure) |
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| 17:02.43 | jintxo | mount -o ufstype=44bsd -t ufs /dev/XXX /my/mount/point, ehazlett |
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| 17:03.30 | ehazlett | jintxo: thx |
| 17:03.56 | jintxo | ehazlett, you shouuld probably add a "ro" to the options... you don't wanna try to be writing to those. I don't think it's even supported |
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| 17:04.07 | ehazlett | jintxo: cool. thx |
| 17:04.20 | [IHF]Spawn | hi |
| 17:04.30 | desja004 | can the debian-installer resize ntfs? |
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| 17:05.37 | desja004 | and is it safe? |
| 17:06.07 | jintxo | desja004, I'm not sure but I don't think so. I use bootit ng (I make a bootcd) to do that beforehand. it's a "free for 30 days" type software. |
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| 17:06.33 | [IHF]Spawn | i search for debian drivers for my wlan! can me help please? my english is bad! |
| 17:06.37 | grirgz | hi |
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| 17:07.04 | [IHF]Spawn | TP-Link TL-WN610G_650G_651G2 for windows ^^ driver |
| 17:07.36 | liable | [IHF]Spawn: do you have debian installed? |
| 17:07.59 | upIRC | desja004: gparted boot CD is free |
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| 17:08.07 | [IHF]Spawn | liable no windows xp for driversearch ^^ |
| 17:08.23 | liable | [IHF]Spawn: you havent installed debian yet? |
| 17:08.45 | [IHF]Spawn | liable no i search drivers for deabian |
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| 17:09.33 | liable | [IHF]Spawn: its not really debian specific, but kernel specific. just google the type of card you have with linux and see what you come up with |
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| 17:10.53 | stew | [IHF]Spawn: do you know the vendorid:deviceid for the card? that is somehting i'd think you could find in windows under device manager or something. it would be somthing like "8086:10de". if you knew that, we could probably help you determine if there is a native linux driver |
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| 17:11.47 | themill | cheers "Go Judd! Go Piccy! Go stew!" |
| 17:11.58 | [IHF]Spawn | altanativ linux driver? |
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| 17:13.57 | maxagaz | is it possible to know all the commands run on my computer, is there a command to see that, like telling me that a 'ls' has been run on another terminal ? |
| 17:14.13 | liable | [IHF]Spawn: it appears to be an atheros card. if it is, it should work (possibly needing you tom compile a driver) |
| 17:14.26 | maxagaz | i thought "sudo tail -f /var/log/messages" would do tht, but it doesn't |
| 17:14.27 | smacnay | I see that xorg is to upgrade on sid from 1:7.3+18 to 1:7.4+1 - in doing this, some packages will be removed and not reinstalled like input-mouse and input-kbd. Are these crucial to xorg working (ie do they supply the only mouse and keyboard input options) or are these pacakges redundant? |
| 17:14.47 | asg | maxagaz: you need something like sysstat or maybe snoop |
| 17:15.23 | asg | maxagaz: sorry, snoopy |
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| 17:15.34 | L|NUX | can some one please help me to compile php5 on debian with builtin gd support with php5 |
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| 17:16.12 | Eulex | L|NUX, doesn't the php5 in debian already support that? |
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| 17:16.40 | themill | L|NUX: we've already been there... didn't \amethyst spend ages with you on that earlier today? |
| 17:16.54 | L|NUX | themill: yes but its not working |
| 17:16.55 | L|NUX | :( |
| 17:16.57 | L|NUX | i tried all thing |
| 17:17.04 | L|NUX | debian/rules binary |
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| 17:17.08 | L|NUX | but its not compiling |
| 17:17.14 | valdyn | L|NUX: whats wrong with debians gd support? |
| 17:17.26 | L|NUX | well its no builtin |
| 17:17.31 | themill | L|NUX: right... so you need to tell us what you've tried, and what the exact error messages are. Don't make everyone go through the entire process again. |
| 17:17.34 | valdyn | L|NUX: thats a problem why? |
| 17:17.40 | L|NUX | ok |
| 17:18.01 | valdyn | L|NUX: do you understand the difference between builtin and added via "plugin"? |
| 17:18.02 | maxagaz | is there a command line to cat MS Excel files in a terminal ? |
| 17:18.06 | L|NUX | doing pb |
| 17:18.48 | asg | !judd versions php5-gd |
| 17:18.48 | L|NUX | http://rafb.net/p/qGtYmg30.html |
| 17:18.55 | [IHF]Spawn | thanks all |
| 17:18.57 | asg | doh |
| 17:19.05 | asg | judd, versions php5-gd |
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| 17:19.33 | stew | asg: judd is taking a nap |
| 17:19.38 | valdyn | one more user trying to solve a problem he doesnt have, maybe |
| 17:19.39 | Eulex | L|NUX, why do you need it builtin? |
| 17:19.40 | asg | stew: so it would seem :) |
| 17:19.43 | stew | being a cyborg, they don't take long naps |
| 17:19.44 | jintxo | uses the gd module for php5 just fine |
| 17:20.00 | L|NUX | well need to compile ffmpeg-php extenstion and it need gd to be builtin |
| 17:20.06 | L|NUX | otherwise it will not work :( |
| 17:20.08 | stew | judd: versions php5-gd |
| 17:20.17 | stew | but they wake up groggy |
| 17:20.26 | [IHF]Spawn | i fond a atheros driver for deabian 4.0 r1 etch |
| 17:20.27 | valdyn | L|NUX: whats wrong with the debian ffmpeg php package? |
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| 17:20.46 | valdyn | L|NUX: which certainly did NOT need "builtin" gd |
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| 17:20.51 | L|NUX | valdyn: i am compiling things by hand brother :) |
| 17:21.02 | valdyn | L|NUX: thats your problem |
| 17:21.04 | grirgz | hi |
| 17:21.04 | asg | L|NUX: then ask the #php folks |
| 17:21.14 | judd | stew: php5-gd -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0-8+etch13 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 squeeze: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3 sid: 5.2.9.dfsg.1-1 |
| 17:21.16 | Eulex | L|NUX, we will not help you if you do that 'just because' |
| 17:21.21 | themill | judd: versions php5-ffmpeg |
| 17:21.23 | judd | themill: php5-ffmpeg -- lenny: 0.5.3.1-3 sid: 0.6.0-1 squeeze: 0.6.0-1 |
| 17:21.28 | themill | L|NUX: ^^ |
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| 17:21.44 | Eulex | L|NUX, hmm wait, are you perhaps on etch? |
| 17:21.52 | valdyn | L|NUX: debian compiled it against its own binaries witout "builtin" gd, im sure you could do that |
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| 17:22.06 | valdyn | L|NUX: but its pointless anyway |
| 17:22.07 | L|NUX | themill: could not find in debian 4 |
| 17:22.12 | L|NUX | yes |
| 17:22.29 | grirgz | i have upgraded my debian sid, and now i have kernel Out of memory errors, do you know how could i fix that ? do you think it's related to my hard drive which have sometimes read errors ? |
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| 17:22.42 | valdyn | grirgz: its not |
| 17:22.46 | asg | L|NUX: then upgrade to lenny or see if there is a backport (/msg dpkg backports) |
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| 17:22.56 | themill | L|NUX: right... then perhaps you want to upgrade to lenny if you're wanting the latest and greatest. |
| 17:23.13 | grirgz | valdyn: maybe i should try upgrading the kernel ? |
| 17:23.26 | L|NUX | humm |
| 17:23.32 | Eulex | grirgz, what kernel are you running? |
| 17:23.38 | grirgz | valdyn: or do you think it's a RAM problem ? |
| 17:23.44 | L|NUX | and if i do not want to update then i can not solve issue |
| 17:23.45 | valdyn | grirgz: I dont know what your problem is |
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| 17:23.53 | valdyn | grirgz: i just know some things that are not |
| 17:23.53 | Eulex | grirgz, in any case, out of memory errors usually result from _applications_ using too much memory |
| 17:24.07 | asg | L|NUX: see if there is a backport or build your own (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 17:24.11 | Tobsn | hey, does someone know how i can install mysql 5.1 on lenny? |
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| 17:25.05 | Eulex | Tobsn, it's in experimental, you could perhaps backport it, but be weary and do not attempt it unless you really really need 5.1. |
| 17:25.05 | grirgz | Eulex: but i though when some application use too much memory, linux use the swap. do you mean that the application fill all the RAM and all the swap ? |
| 17:25.17 | Tobsn | i really really need 5.1 |
| 17:25.30 | Eulex | grirgz, if you have a swap configured, they will do that, yes |
| 17:25.40 | Tobsn | i saw its in experimental - but i cant find out how to get apt-get to install experimental pkg's |
| 17:25.48 | Eulex | Tobsn, you don |
| 17:25.50 | asg | Tobsn: not without compiling from source or using one of their binary distributions. It only just entered experimental and you don't want those |
| 17:25.50 | Eulex | 't |
| 17:26.01 | stew | Tobsn: you should not install packages from experimental onto lenny without backporting them |
| 17:26.06 | [IHF]Spawn | bye all! |
| 17:26.06 | Tobsn | k |
| 17:26.09 | grirgz | Eulex: do you know how could i identify this application ? |
| 17:26.10 | Tobsn | than i go and compile it. |
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| 17:27.00 | Eulex | grirgz, the logs should detail it. when exactly do you get this problem? |
| 17:27.01 | devhell_ | what would the appropriate way be to powerdown my laptop screen? setterm? /etc/console-tools/config or since I use zsh maybe in the zshrc? |
| 17:27.06 | grirgz | Eulex: i'm running 2.6.18-4-k7 smp |
| 17:27.27 | asg | devhell_: xset (dpms settings) |
| 17:27.41 | Eulex | grirgz, that should be fine, but you should probably upgrade to the 2.6.26 in unstable anyway. |
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| 17:28.08 | devhell_ | asg: sorry I forgot to mention that I work primarily on the console.. |
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| 17:29.14 | devhell_ | asg: while in X it dpms works fine.. but not while on the console.. |
| 17:29.42 | asg | devhell_: then setterm is probably your best bet |
| 17:29.49 | grirgz | Eulex: in fact i have a lot of problem since my upgrade (it was a big upgrade, ~ 1000 packages), maybe i should consider reinstalling from scratch |
| 17:30.07 | asg | devhell_: -powersave / -powerdown |
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| 17:30.14 | devhell_ | asg: ok.. thank you ;) |
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| 17:30.22 | Eulex | grirgz, if you're not comfortable running unstable, you should perhaps do that, yes. and run stable or testing. |
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| 17:33.07 | xxtjaxx_ | how can i create gpg key and put it uinto my keyring |
| 17:33.27 | smacnay | hmm, there does not seem to be either the xserver-xorg-input-kbd or -mouse packages in sid. |
| 17:33.28 | grirgz | Eulex: i'm comfortable with sid, i love it =) |
| 17:33.40 | grirgz | but now my system is broken :/ |
| 17:34.07 | asg | xxtjaxx_: http://www.dewinter.com/gnupg_howto/english/GPGMiniHowto.html |
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| 17:36.54 | Witch-King | why does the boost package have to be so behind! :C |
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| 17:37.15 | grirgz | Eulex: how can i know the application which take all the memory ? i read the log, but it says things like oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x201d2, order=0, etc |
| 17:37.40 | Eulex | grirgz, it doesn't say the pid or the process name? |
| 17:37.40 | izua | Gun_Smoke: add a switch to the cable |
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| 17:37.50 | izua | anything else will require some smarts, such as a microcontroller or a fpga |
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| 17:40.52 | Gun_Smoke | izua, what kind of switch? simple on/off? |
| 17:40.57 | grirgz | Eulex: no, http://pastebin.com/f3d09c045 |
| 17:41.07 | valdyn | grirgz: whats the problem now that the app is dead? does the problem reoccur? |
| 17:41.34 | Eulex | grirgz, yes it does |
| 17:41.36 | Eulex | Out of Memory: Kill process 3409 (xinit) score 38283 and children. |
| 17:41.44 | Eulex | Out of memory: Killed process 3410 (Xorg). |
| 17:41.57 | grirgz | Eulex: no, that's random killing to free memory |
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| 17:42.12 | Eulex | and then it goes on with mysqld |
| 17:42.44 | valdyn | grirgz: if an app is eating all the memory, then the app killed last by the oom killer obviously has to be the memory eater |
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| 17:42.57 | grirgz | valdyn: i've killed all process with alt-sysrq-I, it don't seem to reapear, but i'm not sure |
| 17:43.06 | Eulex | grirgz, mhm, and? the oom killer usually kills processes that cause the memory problem |
| 17:43.20 | valdyn | Eulex: randomly |
| 17:43.24 | valdyn | Eulex: but both is right |
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| 17:43.45 | valdyn | obviously it has to keep killing till it gets the right one, anyway |
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| 17:44.33 | grirgz | i waited 15 minutes of random killing, and it continue, so i've done sysreq-I |
| 17:44.38 | valdyn | grirgz: if you are not using swap right now, you can add swap to make your computer slow once memory is used that forces it to swap |
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| 17:44.54 | valdyn | grirgz: during that time you can use top to monitor apps sorted by memory usage |
| 17:44.58 | grirgz | i am using swap |
| 17:45.14 | valdyn | grirgz: then maybe its slowing down enough already so you could monitor |
| 17:45.18 | grirgz | i can't do anything when it does that |
| 17:45.30 | valdyn | grirgz: top should keep giving info |
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| 17:46.00 | valdyn | grirgz: im well aware that starting new programs might become very slow, but you should already have a monitor running |
| 17:46.03 | grirgz | ok, i will try to detect it with top |
| 17:46.58 | grirgz | what is the command to keep the kernel from writing errors to the tty ? |
| 17:47.16 | valdyn | grirgz: read /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 17:47.45 | grirgz | thanks =) |
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| 17:49.53 | gaintsura | I have a problem with my iptables... every time I login, my iptables are set to drop all connections and log any localhost connections. I've done cat iptables.mysystem | iptables-restore, but every time I logout and back in, I have the same iptables rules as before with the drop all |
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| 17:53.05 | jehan | hi! is there another way to set tcp-segmentation-offload |
| 17:53.16 | jehan | instead of using ethtool? |
| 17:53.33 | jehan | probably through /proc ? |
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| 17:55.31 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 17:55.37 | sobersabre | I have several C files. |
| 17:56.00 | sobersabre | I need to print them out with colors, and I like what colors vim creates, or gedit. |
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| 17:56.33 | sobersabre | What I want is to send them to somebody with windows, but let that person to be able to print them exactly as I can. |
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| 17:56.39 | sobersabre | I was thinking of PDF. |
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| 17:57.00 | sobersabre | what I'd really want to do is to somehow generate 1 big PDF file of all the C files I have.. |
| 17:57.05 | sobersabre | how do I do this ? |
| 17:57.12 | amphi | sobersabre: [g]vim can export syntax highlighted code as html |
| 17:57.25 | sobersabre | cool! |
| 17:57.32 | sobersabre | lemme look it up.. |
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| 17:57.48 | valdyn | sobersabre: gedit will print to pdf |
| 17:58.00 | valdyn | sobersabre: anything that can print can print to pdf |
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| 17:59.19 | sobersabre | valdyn: I prefer to have 1 file out of multiple |
| 17:59.39 | sobersabre | and I need to print it with line numbers... |
| 17:59.54 | sobersabre | amphi: how can I do what you suggested ? |
| 18:00.02 | valdyn | sobersabre: you want to use latex |
| 18:00.18 | valdyn | sobersabre: well you dont, but you want to do what its made for |
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| 18:02.47 | grirgz | re |
| 18:02.58 | kenjy | how can I use less to read a gziped file? |
| 18:03.21 | grirgz | thanks, it was obvious to look at top, i am wondering why i had not the idea :p |
| 18:03.21 | valdyn | sobersabre: gedit does all this too however |
| 18:03.26 | grirgz | now, i know! |
| 18:03.43 | valdyn | sobersabre: certainly not as nice as latex, but what you wanted. |
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| 18:04.00 | themill | kenjy: zless or set LESSOPEN=/usr/bin/lessfile %s |
| 18:04.26 | grirgz | it's modprobe which take all the memory, trying to load snd-seq (by the way, sound stoped working since i upgraded) |
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| 18:07.33 | grirgz | and i see hundred of processus of console-kit-daemon (by the way, screen complain about tty1, is this related ?) |
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| 18:08.53 | careta | hello |
| 18:09.11 | careta | anyone knows when squeeze will start getting security updates? |
| 18:09.33 | Hydroxide | careta: no. there is no date yet. |
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| 18:10.09 | careta | thanks |
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| 18:14.07 | grirgz | re |
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| 18:15.41 | grirgz | when the system boot, it try to load sound card modules, but the modeprobe process never terminate, what can i do ? |
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| 18:21.39 | grirgz | i have commented a line in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf i reboot to try |
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| 18:23.05 | ma3x | how do you launch iceweasel over sshx ? |
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| 18:24.20 | module000 | ma3x: with x forwarding? |
| 18:24.35 | module000 | ma3x: enable forwarding in your ssh client....enable your x server...and just type iceweasel in ssh :P |
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| 18:26.08 | ma3x | module000: i did that but it doesn't launch |
| 18:26.17 | ma3x | i type iceweasel and nothing happens |
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| 18:26.41 | grirgz | re |
| 18:26.53 | grirgz | dont work better |
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| 18:28.19 | grirgz | i love sysrq-I! =) |
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| 18:31.28 | module000 | ma3x: no error? no nothing? |
| 18:31.41 | ma3x | module000: nothing |
| 18:31.48 | ma3x | xeyes runs, iceweasel doesn't |
| 18:31.54 | module000 | ma3x: does it return a prompt after you typ eit? |
| 18:31.56 | ma3x | the cursor stays at the second line |
| 18:32.09 | ma3x | no, it stays at the second line |
| 18:32.19 | ma3x | just like if it were running |
| 18:32.33 | module000 | ma3x: wait a little bit :P |
| 18:32.51 | module000 | ma3x: are you running this remotely on a dedicated[or virtual dedicated] server? |
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| 18:39.17 | Tigger__ | is there a way of installing "debian testing" from scratch, i've tried the cdroms and so on but they seem to be broken, coming up with errors for no kernel modules to load network drivers and so on |
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| 18:40.32 | dkr | which cdroms exactly? |
| 18:40.54 | Tigger__ | i'll find an example quickly dkr |
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| 18:42.07 | Tigger__ | dkr: this one http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 18:42.15 | justin | Tigger__: install the minimal lenny system and upgrade immediately |
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| 18:42.59 | dustybin | justin: you using lenny now? :-) |
| 18:43.26 | justin | on some systems |
| 18:43.31 | dustybin | ace |
| 18:43.38 | plb_ | I've got an issue in sid, when I boot into X my mouse doesn't move...it's on laptop and I know it works cause I had Lenny on it prior to Sid and it worked fine |
| 18:43.45 | Tigger__ | justin: in the sources.list do i delete http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main |
| 18:43.45 | Tigger__ | deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main |
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| 18:43.54 | justin | probably |
| 18:44.00 | dustybin | plb_: reconfigure-xorg |
| 18:44.10 | Tigger__ | ok, i'll give it a try |
| 18:44.19 | Tigger__ | thanks Jussi |
| 18:44.21 | plb_ | dustybin: dpkg-reconfigure xorg doesn't do anything |
| 18:44.33 | dkr | xserver-xorg |
| 18:44.40 | Tigger__ | ooops! justin |
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| 18:45.21 | jpinx | can I do a dd copy of my remote server over ssh ? |
| 18:45.28 | plb_ | dkr: same thing...there is no menu selection or nothing to choose from |
| 18:45.41 | plb_ | it just seems to generate a default xorg.conf |
| 18:45.47 | gravity | plb_: Try /etc/init.d/hal restart |
| 18:45.52 | gravity | plb_: Then restart your X server |
| 18:46.24 | dkr | plb_: check xorg logs, too, maybe an error like no such device. well restarting hal/x might solve that |
| 18:46.51 | asg | jpinx: yes |
| 18:46.52 | plb_ | gravity: nope..only thing I see after killing xserver is something about error setting MTRR |
| 18:46.57 | dkr | I tend to like to find out what is wrong before implementing solutions, heh. then again. I don't use sid |
| 18:47.24 | gravity | urgh... that again |
| 18:47.33 | jpinx | asg: is it a push or a pull? I would like to copy my remote server to an .iso on my local machine |
| 18:47.41 | gravity | plb_: The mtrr bug is known and we're working on it, although it doesn't have anything to do with input so far as we know |
| 18:47.54 | plb_ | hmm |
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| 18:48.41 | asg | jpinx: ssh me@foo 'dd if=/dev/bar' > baz.iso |
| 18:48.42 | gravity | So your keyboard works and your mouse doesn't? That's really weird. |
| 18:48.46 | plb_ | yep |
| 18:48.57 | gravity | plb_: Do you have any sort of input devices configured in your xorg.conf? |
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| 18:49.06 | jpinx | asg: I was close :) thanks |
| 18:49.08 | plb_ | gravity: nope, I just have the default |
| 18:49.17 | plb_ | which worked fine in Lenny btw |
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| 18:49.47 | gravity | plb_: Ok, can you file a bug report against xserver-xorg-core using reportbug? Not reportbug-ng please. |
| 18:49.51 | asg | jpinx: you're welcome |
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| 18:50.03 | gravity | plb_: It'll be easier to deal with when we can see the logs and track the bug |
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| 18:50.09 | abrotman | uses reportbug-ng just to annoy gravity |
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| 18:50.31 | gravity | kills abrotman over and over again |
| 18:50.39 | abrotman | i only used it once! |
| 18:50.43 | plb_ | I see something about macintosh mouse emulation in xorg log? |
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| 18:50.49 | gravity | I used it a few times, after patching it to do my bidding |
| 18:50.50 | asg | gravity: it won't do any good |
| 18:50.54 | abrotman | gravity: hehe |
| 18:51.04 | dustybin | why do linux people coders grow long bears and look pasty and ill? |
| 18:51.08 | blime | when loading a driver with a parameter, do you modprobe drive.r parameter=0 |
| 18:51.12 | blime | or modprobe drive.r "parameter=0" |
| 18:51.21 | asg | dustybin: I don't, that's just a silly sterotype |
| 18:51.21 | blime | quotes or no-quotes? |
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| 18:51.27 | gravity | plb_: I don't think that's an issue, but feel free to mention it in your bug report. |
| 18:51.29 | module000 | dustybin: linux people coders...we code open source people? |
| 18:51.36 | dustybin | :P |
| 18:51.36 | gravity | One of my comaintainers will undoubtedly know more about that one |
| 18:51.41 | plb_ | There is no more ncurses configuration for xorg in sid? |
| 18:51.52 | gravity | No |
| 18:52.01 | gravity | It all should autoconfigure by now. |
| 18:52.03 | simonrvn | grow long bears? |
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| 18:52.20 | simonrvn | is that like a polar bear, or a grizzly? |
| 18:52.32 | dustybin | simonrvn: richard stallman style |
| 18:52.39 | asg | simonrvn: the brown stallman |
| 18:52.47 | simonrvn | he's not a bear |
| 18:52.51 | gravity | lols at the brown stallman |
| 18:52.51 | simonrvn | asg: hehe |
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| 18:53.02 | simonrvn | ok, maybe in some ways :P |
| 18:53.15 | simonrvn | has met the guy in person |
| 18:53.23 | macman_ | anyone know how to tar and use lzma with it ? |
| 18:53.48 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:54.08 | abrotman | macman_: it's in the man apge |
| 18:54.09 | abrotman | page |
| 18:54.35 | macman_ | tar -lzma file.tar.lzma file/ ? |
| 18:54.39 | macman_ | i get errors |
| 18:54.45 | simonrvn | uh, no |
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| 18:55.15 | gravity | plb_: It'd also help if you attached the output from lshal to the bug report |
| 18:55.18 | simonrvn | recommends macman_ rtm |
| 18:55.29 | KurtKraut | I'm about to purchase an ARM device (N800). How can I browse what packages are availuable for Debian ARM? |
| 18:55.34 | macman_ | trying .. im looking at the lzma |
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| 18:56.06 | abrotman | KurtKraut: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian5.0/main/binary-arm/Packages.gz |
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| 18:58.27 | GuilhermeCunha | E: Internal Server Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6 |
| 18:58.31 | GuilhermeCunha | what is this ? |
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| 18:59.08 | abrotman | GuilhermeCunha: you're trying to upgrade your system? |
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| 18:59.12 | GuilhermeCunha | no |
| 18:59.25 | GuilhermeCunha | abrotman, yes |
| 18:59.28 | abrotman | no yes? |
| 18:59.31 | GuilhermeCunha | heheh |
| 18:59.33 | GuilhermeCunha | sorry |
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| 18:59.56 | GuilhermeCunha | my first command is apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 19:00.10 | GuilhermeCunha | generate this problem |
| 19:00.15 | GuilhermeCunha | with libc6 |
| 19:00.16 | GuilhermeCunha | :( |
| 19:00.30 | GuilhermeCunha | exist solution? |
| 19:00.37 | abrotman | GuilhermeCunha: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say? |
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| 19:01.47 | Forai|kill | hey guys, I'm having an issue. I'm trying to install icecast2 from apt-get and it doesn't know where to find it |
| 19:02.42 | sepski | Forai|kill, it's in the repo's are you sure your sources.list is sane ? try apt-get update |
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| 19:03.58 | Forai|kill | apt-get update retruned and didn't say any issues happened |
| 19:03.58 | Forai|kill | reading package lists... Done |
| 19:04.03 | themill | Forai|kill: perhaps pastebin your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" for us. |
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| 19:04.31 | GuilhermeCunha | abrotman, |
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| 19:05.03 | Forai|kill | aye |
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| 19:05.06 | GuilhermeCunha | abrotman, http://mobile.guilhermecunha.eti.br/problema.png |
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| 19:05.29 | DarkUranium | hey |
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| 19:06.02 | DarkUranium | how do I disable installing from DVD? |
| 19:06.16 | DarkUranium | I tried to do apt-get install kde, and it keeps asking for the DVD (even though internet connection is present) |
| 19:06.35 | asg | DarkUranium: remove the DVD sources from /etc/apt/sources.list. Add network sources if needed. |
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| 19:07.17 | asg | DarkUranium: also, /msg dpkg sources |
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| 19:07.49 | abrotman | GuilhermeCunha: 404 |
| 19:07.54 | Forai|kill | http://pastebin.com/m2aa3bc3d |
| 19:08.18 | Forai|kill | http://pastebin.com/d2cfee5eb |
| 19:08.19 | Forai|kill | sorry |
| 19:08.38 | abrotman | Forai|kill: did you just install? |
| 19:08.44 | DarkUranium | asg: what do you mean with the 2nd? |
| 19:08.45 | abrotman | !tell Forai|kill about sources.list |
| 19:08.46 | Forai|kill | yes |
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| 19:08.48 | abrotman | !tell Forai|kill about mirrors |
| 19:08.56 | abrotman | Forai|kill: why did you install etch instead of lenny? |
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| 19:09.18 | Forai|kill | I have an etch DVD I believe |
| 19:09.37 | Forai|kill | how do I find version quick |
| 19:09.44 | abrotman | you have etch |
| 19:09.52 | Forai|kill | hmm |
| 19:10.11 | Forai|kill | ahh, I see |
| 19:10.25 | Forai|kill | so I guess I have to spend all of tomorrow downloading a new DVD >< |
| 19:10.31 | abrotman | or you could dist-upgrade |
| 19:10.35 | abrotman | !tell Forai|kill about etch->lenny |
| 19:10.42 | Forai|kill | hmm |
| 19:12.11 | Forai|kill | hmm |
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| 19:12.39 | Forai|kill | the !tell tells me to change all source mentions of etch to move to lenny |
| 19:12.58 | Forai|kill | nevermind >< |
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| 19:14.52 | pothibo | Hi, I have set in php5 a smtp server, and I wanna know if the server is sent, is there any way to check this ? |
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| 19:16.54 | GuilhermeCunha | abrotman, |
| 19:17.01 | GuilhermeCunha | abrotman, http://mobile.guilhermecunha.eti.br/problema.png |
| 19:17.09 | Eulex | pothibo, try sending a mail with it and see if it arrives? :) |
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| 19:18.36 | Forai|kill | hmm |
| 19:19.11 | Forai|kill | I followed the upgrade to lenny thing and changed my sources but still no icecast2 |
| 19:19.26 | simonrvn | did you update? |
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| 19:19.51 | Forai|kill | update upgrade |
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| 19:21.16 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 19:21.29 | dandc | is there a way to cause usb devices to automatically mount, but owned by the current user? |
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| 19:22.47 | Forai|kill | actually then |
| 19:22.54 | Forai|kill | well, later |
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| 19:23.15 | cahoot | dandc: what kind of usb devices? |
| 19:23.41 | dandc | usb thumbdrives or usb hard drives |
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| 19:24.51 | dandc | ones that are formatted with a filesystem that has ownership (ie, not FAT) |
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| 19:28.33 | abrotman | GuilhermeCunha: i asked for `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` .. should be one line |
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| 19:31.27 | GuilhermeCunha | abrotman, http://mobile.guilhermecunha.eti.br/problema3.png |
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| 19:34.40 | GuilhermeCunha | abrotman, idea? |
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| 19:37.11 | DogWater | Anyone use Kickseed much with lenny? i'm trying to get the installer to use DHCP when it is getting the kickseed file/booting up, but then I need to assign the server a static IP during the install |
| 19:38.05 | dkr | assign static ips via dhcp based on mac address. :) |
| 19:38.16 | DogWater | yeah thats not an option |
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| 19:38.38 | dkr | yes it is, you are just choosing not to use it. :p |
| 19:39.01 | DogWater | No, we have thousands of servers in our network, that is just a bad suggestion |
| 19:40.09 | dkr | that doesn't change the fact that it is an option. :) |
| 19:40.25 | abrotman | GuilhermeCunha: this is Debian ? |
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| 19:42.04 | Brack10 | Hi. I'm trying to force a static IP by editing /etc/network/interfaces with the appropriate settings, then I tried ifconfig eth0 down/up and /etc/init.d/networking restart....still gets DHCP...any ideas please? |
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| 19:43.04 | dkr | pastebot your interfaces file. maybe a typo or something |
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| 19:44.08 | GuilhermeCunha | abrotman, yes |
| 19:44.12 | GuilhermeCunha | 5.0 stable |
| 19:44.13 | GuilhermeCunha | :) |
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| 19:44.40 | GuilhermeCunha | with basic system and xorg |
| 19:44.46 | GuilhermeCunha | with sawfish |
| 19:44.47 | GuilhermeCunha | :D |
| 19:45.23 | abrotman | GuilhermeCunha: if you type "/lib/libc.so.6" at the prompt, what does it return ? |
| 19:45.24 | Brack10 | dkr: http://pastebin.com/m3131986b |
| 19:45.33 | abrotman | GuilhermeCunha: you can use paste.debian.net if that's easier |
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| 19:46.59 | SparFux | how to build a package from git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-pulseaudio/pulseaudio.git |
| 19:47.03 | dkr | Brack10: ah, it's because you ran ifdown eth0 after amking the change, so it didn't know it was using dhcp and didn't shut it down |
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| 19:47.34 | dkr | Brack10: you could just kill the dhcp client manually |
| 19:47.41 | Brack10 | dkr: oh is that init.d? |
| 19:47.50 | GuilhermeCunha | abrotman, no have clipboard here :/ |
| 19:47.59 | tom760 | Is there a quick easy way to get the code for the supplied debian kerenal image under /usr/src/ including the version.h file? I'm having troulbe trying to build a custom kernel module that wants the source and version.h for my kernel. |
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| 19:48.02 | dkr | hrm, you'd think networking restart would do that, though. |
| 19:48.18 | smacnay | is the xorg-xserver upgrade stalled in sid right now? |
| 19:48.26 | dkr | Brack10: no, it's not a separet daemon with it's own init script |
| 19:48.28 | smacnay | missing dependencies? |
| 19:49.12 | Brack10 | dkr: just added auto eth0 and it fixed it |
| 19:49.18 | dkr | Brack10: or you could change interfaces back to iface eth0 inet dhcp do ifdown eth0, then put it back to static conf, then ifup eth0 |
| 19:49.27 | GuilhermeCunha | abrotman, no have this file |
| 19:49.37 | Brack10 | dkr: that's the hard way |
| 19:49.47 | dkr | Brack10: ah, cool |
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| 19:50.00 | Brack10 | I figured that was something for DHCp but apparently not |
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| 19:51.10 | GuilhermeCunha | abrotman, my sources.list is here http://mobile.guilhermecunha.eti.br/sources.list |
| 19:51.49 | abrotman | GuilhermeCunha: you don't have that file? |
| 19:52.00 | dkr | tom760: aptitude install linux-headers |
| 19:52.04 | GuilhermeCunha | abrotman, yes |
| 19:52.48 | abrotman | GuilhermeCunha: that's not good at all |
| 19:52.51 | dkr | tom760: or aptitude install linux-source |
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| 19:54.05 | tom760 | dkr: thanks, i'll try linux-headers. already tried linux-source. the problem is version.h doesn't get created until you actually do a build. |
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| 19:55.22 | Brack10 | ok so I want the computer to beep when someone pushes the power button isntead of turning off. I edited /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh to read echo -e "\a" (which works just fine from a command prompt) but when you push the power button nothing happens. What am I missing? Something to do with runlevels/file ownership/other confusing unix stuff? |
| 19:55.48 | valdyn | Brack10: the shell |
| 19:56.03 | Brack10 | valdyn: what abou it? |
| 19:56.10 | Brack10 | about* |
| 19:56.12 | ma3x | module000: remote virtual server |
| 19:56.44 | valdyn | Brack10: echo is not run on a local console, so it cant beep |
| 19:56.50 | Brack10 | I also used beep |
| 19:57.02 | Brack10 | valdyn: beep doesn't work either |
| 19:57.11 | valdyn | Brack10: so the script is not run? |
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| 19:57.40 | valdyn | Brack10: you want to read the actual script |
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| 19:57.53 | Brack10 | valdyn: how can I test whether it's working? |
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| 19:58.27 | valdyn | Brack10: echo should be logged in /var/log/messages |
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| 19:59.14 | SPF | if I were to use dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/sda1 bs=512, do I also copy the size of the partition? so I can have space left on the target device? Also, does this work? |
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| 19:59.25 | egz | is there a way to install all packages whose names match a certain pattern? |
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| 19:59.35 | egz | e.g. aptitude install somestuff* |
| 19:59.38 | valdyn | SPF: you only copy partition content |
| 19:59.56 | oget | what is the default sound server on Debian Sid? Is it pulse? |
| 20:00.03 | valdyn | SPF: it works fine as long as sda1 is >= hda1 |
| 20:00.17 | valdyn | oget: none |
| 20:00.28 | cahoot | oget: doubt there is a default |
| 20:00.38 | abrotman | egz: aptitude install "~nfoo" .. i think |
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| 20:00.55 | jelly-home | SPF: a) what are you trying to do? b) a small bs of 512 will introduce excessive CPU usage |
| 20:00.55 | SPF | valdyn: so what if I copy /dev/hda -> /dev/sda ? |
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| 20:01.02 | Brack10 | oget: looks like alsa on lenny, dono if that helps |
| 20:01.03 | egz | abrotman, ah cool |
| 20:01.10 | valdyn | SPF: same thing? |
| 20:01.20 | oget | valdyn, cahoot: that's so sweet. I'm trying to convice my Fedora folks to undefault the pulse. |
| 20:01.23 | valdyn | SPF: obviously that overwrites sda partition table and boot sector |
| 20:01.35 | SPF | I want to copy the partition, and make an additional partition on the target devices |
| 20:03.11 | valdyn | oget: pulse is great |
| 20:03.11 | SPF | s/ces/ce |
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| 20:03.12 | oget | valdyn: pulse is a cancer. I'm starting a movement against it. Our motto is "Pulse against!" |
| 20:03.12 | SPF | ah yes, I need the boot sector as well |
| 20:03.12 | valdyn | now if only skype would be such a fucked up piece of shit software then i wouldnt have a single issue with pulseaudio |
| 20:03.12 | valdyn | just missing features |
| 20:03.12 | jelly-home | SPF: is there anything apart from hda1 and the filesystem on it on hda? |
| 20:03.12 | valdyn | oget: whats wrong with pulse? |
| 20:03.33 | SPF | jelly-home: no, only one partition |
| 20:03.45 | jelly-home | SPF: how much of it is in use? |
| 20:04.05 | SPF | about 75% |
| 20:04.21 | jelly-home | oh all right, I guess it makes sense to dd the whole device then |
| 20:04.40 | Brack10 | when I push my power button it's not running /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh....if I just go sh /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh it works fine...how can I troubleshoot this? |
| 20:04.47 | tom760 | dkr: sweet, linux-headers worked. |
| 20:04.47 | jelly-home | SPF: copying the files would guarantee a defragmented destination copy, though |
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| 20:05.36 | dkr | tom760: cool |
| 20:05.45 | valdyn | Brack10: track this down starting at the event |
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| 20:06.02 | SPF | jelly-home: I will give it a try. bs 512 is currently consuming 10% CPU according to top. Any idea how fast dd is? |
| 20:06.13 | valdyn | Brack10: i have /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn-acpi-support there |
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| 20:06.21 | jelly-home | SPF: iostat will tell you |
| 20:06.30 | valdyn | Brack10: which in turn runs action=/etc/acpi/powerbtn-acpi-support.sh |
| 20:06.38 | Brack10 | ahhh ok |
| 20:06.40 | Brack10 | thanks |
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| 20:06.50 | jelly-home | SPF: or vmstat in a pinch, if you don't have sysstat package installed |
| 20:07.00 | valdyn | Brack10: read yours by yourself though, i dont have those fancy acpi packages installed |
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| 20:07.13 | Brack10 | lol fancy acpi |
| 20:07.23 | oget | valdyn: 1- It's choppy. 2-slows down everything that uses audio 3-doesn't properly support multiple cards, 4-interferes with jack |
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| 20:07.49 | jelly-home | SPF: assuming nothing else is accessing the disk at the moment, "vmstat 1" columns bi and bo show total blocks read and written (per second) |
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| 20:07.55 | valdyn | oget: thats all just your config |
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| 20:08.12 | valdyn | oget: it can use whichever cards you configure it to, even no cards at all and just jack as output |
| 20:08.17 | jelly-home | SPF: (where a block equals 1KiB) |
| 20:08.26 | oget | valdyn: I wish it was. Just google "pulseaudio sucks" and you'll see what I mean. It's a distro independent cancer |
| 20:08.32 | valdyn | oget: supports my 2 cards fine |
| 20:08.51 | SPF | jelly-home: it says 14000 bi so far |
| 20:08.55 | valdyn | oget: yea, i see people complaining about their own lack of configuring pulse ;) |
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| 20:09.27 | valdyn | oget: and i see very few semi-professional audio people who complain that it doesnt do low latency as they need it, but its not made for that, thats jack |
| 20:09.38 | oget | valdyn: I didn't have to configure anything for plain alsa. pulseaudio is supposed to make things easier, right? |
| 20:10.21 | valdyn | oget: it cant default to everyones preference, just like alsa cant |
| 20:10.25 | SPF | jelly-home: if I would guess, 10 KB/s |
| 20:10.26 | jelly-home | SPF: sounds like a rather slow disk |
| 20:10.32 | jelly-home | SPF: no, 14MB/s |
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| 20:10.45 | Brack10 | Sweet. when I push my power button, Hal from 2001 space oddesy says "I"m sorry dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" |
| 20:10.50 | SPF | jelly-home: it adds 10 bi every second |
| 20:11.26 | xxtjaxx_ | hey guys Im trying to package my program but several things on my control file seem wrong for examble my depends arent tracked by the package management whats wrong what do i have to change |
| 20:11.29 | xxtjaxx_ | i copied it to here http://pastebin.com/m6786b4d4 |
| 20:11.30 | Jemt | !ops [Baby20] is a spam bot |
| 20:11.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jemt complains about: [Baby20] is a spam bot |
| 20:11.34 | SPF | jelly-home: should I try increase the bs? |
| 20:11.36 | Manoj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:11.54 | tomaw | Jemt: thanks:) |
| 20:11.59 | Jemt | My pleasure :) |
| 20:12.03 | jelly-home | SPF: depends, how large is the source device and how is it connected? |
| 20:12.21 | jelly-home | wait, you said hda so an IDE disk I guess |
| 20:12.21 | SPF | jelly-home: source device is a hard disk, 5400 rpm, 10 Gig total |
| 20:12.36 | oget | valdyn: And yes, for audio (semi)professionals, jack is what we need. I don't want pulseaudio become "the audio server". anyway, it's good to know debian didn't make this choice (yet) |
| 20:12.38 | SPF | yes, ide |
| 20:12.47 | jelly-home | SPF: if it's really old I guess that might really be its top speed |
| 20:12.54 | valdyn | oget: debian never defaults to anything really |
| 20:13.03 | valdyn | oget: so it wont default to pulse either |
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| 20:13.19 | SPF | I'll try increasing bs anyway |
| 20:13.36 | valdyn | SPF: you cant tune much there |
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| 20:13.43 | valdyn | SPF: cat is just about as fast as dd |
| 20:13.47 | jelly-home | SPF: whatever, it's going to be finished in 15 minutes anway |
| 20:13.51 | xxtjaxx_ | valdyn could u please have a look at that http://pastebin.com/m6786b4d4 ? after ter packaging its not able to preinstall the dependend files |
| 20:14.28 | valdyn | xxtjaxx_: i cant help you |
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| 20:14.39 | Manoj | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.51 | Manoj | we do have ath9k in recent kernels, though |
| 20:14.58 | dustybin | what is the proper name for the last part of a domain |
| 20:14.59 | dustybin | like .com .net .co.uk etc? |
| 20:15.05 | abrotman | TLD |
| 20:15.09 | dustybin | ace :-) |
| 20:15.09 | abrotman | !tld |
| 20:15.10 | dpkg | somebody said tld was top level domain. .com, .org, .edu, and so on; also includes the country top-level domains .au, .it, .cx and so on, or see http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm for a complete listing |
| 20:15.21 | jelly-home | dustybin: TLD is the last .bit |
| 20:15.25 | dustybin | thanks |
| 20:15.27 | abrotman | xxtjaxx_: did you try the #debian-mentors on OFTC yet? |
| 20:15.41 | SPF | jelly-home: ah, I misread. KiB = 1024 bytes |
| 20:15.51 | jelly-home | dustybin: ie. .co.uk is not a top level domain, but obviously a second level one |
| 20:15.56 | SPF | oh well, bs 4096 is as fast as bs 512 |
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| 20:16.00 | dustybin | yep |
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| 20:16.12 | jelly-home | SPF: you needn't have stopped it |
| 20:16.27 | SPF | I know :( |
| 20:16.40 | dustybin | i just need to make sure my apache is configured properly, as I have bought a few variations of my domain using different TLDs |
| 20:16.40 | jelly-home | valdyn told you so ;-) |
| 20:17.38 | jelly-home | dustbin.xxx |
| 20:17.42 | jelly-home | y |
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| 20:19.51 | jelly-home | if this channel reaches 1000, I quit! |
| 20:20.26 | asg | jelly-home: /ignore is your friend |
| 20:20.35 | jpinx | how do I make ssh listen on 49998 ? |
| 20:20.48 | abrotman | jpinx: man sshd_config |
| 20:21.16 | jpinx | AH - *that's* the man page ;) |
| 20:21.41 | jpinx | would love a ready-reference to all manpages |
| 20:21.45 | jelly-home | jpinx: SEE ALSO |
| 20:22.03 | jelly-home | (recurse if needed) |
| 20:22.40 | dkr | jpinx: apropos is a nice tool for finding specific commands/man pages |
| 20:22.58 | minerale | what is the name of the utility that dumps / monitors tcp connections as they happen ? |
| 20:23.08 | asg | minerale: tcpdump |
| 20:23.10 | dkr | tcpdump |
| 20:23.20 | dkr | wireshark is nicer, though |
| 20:23.25 | jpinx | dkr: thanks - I'll take a look |
| 20:23.35 | jpinx | jelly-home: recurse? |
| 20:23.36 | minerale | asg: dkr: thanks |
| 20:23.43 | asg | minerale: you're welcome |
| 20:24.09 | abrotman | jpinx: man -k sshd |
| 20:24.12 | abrotman | or man -k ssh |
| 20:24.23 | jelly-home | jpinx: yes. ssh(1) -> SEE ALSO ... sshd(8); sshd(8) -> SEE ALSO ... sshd_config(5) -- BINGO |
| 20:24.29 | dkr | apropos is the same as man -k |
| 20:24.34 | jpinx | apropos is nice:) |
| 20:24.44 | abrotman | dkr: ah .. missed your suggestion .. yes that works |
| 20:24.53 | jpinx | jelly-home: ah - ok :-/ |
| 20:25.10 | dkr | man -k is a couple fewer characters, so better. :) apropos sounds neat though |
| 20:25.28 | jelly-home | jpinx: it's like wikipedia, but you can click on the links to other pages! |
| 20:25.34 | jelly-home | can't* |
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| 20:25.37 | jpinx | write "apropos" on the screenframe in BIG letters with a gaudy felt-tip |
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| 20:26.22 | jpinx | *writes |
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| 20:26.44 | grirgz | hi |
| 20:26.50 | jpinx | anyway - pulling rsync over ssh using sudo is bugging me |
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| 20:27.14 | grirgz | how can i disable completely the sound on my system ? |
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| 20:27.34 | abrotman | blacklist your sound modules .. or uh .. turn down the volume |
| 20:27.47 | asg | or remove the sound card |
| 20:28.27 | dkr | and xset b off to turn off pc speaker |
| 20:28.39 | dkr | in x at least |
| 20:29.07 | grirgz | i removed init.d/alsa-utils, /etc/modprobe.d/alsa* i removed the snd alias, but modprobe continue loading snd-pcm at the boot |
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| 20:29.29 | upIRC | ls /dev/ grep | snd |
| 20:29.48 | dkr | lsmod|grep snd |
| 20:30.08 | abrotman | !tell grirgz about blacklist |
| 20:30.13 | grirgz | in fact i have modified /etc/modutils/aliases, maybe i need to update /etc/modules.conf ? |
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| 20:30.36 | upIRC | can't he just change permissions on /dev/dsp? |
| 20:30.57 | grirgz | in fact, the modprobe take forever and eat all memory, this is why i want to blacklist it |
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| 20:31.37 | abrotman | upIRC: to what? 000 ? |
| 20:31.39 | Twixboy_ | Deine Mutter wohnt Erdgeschoss und fährt mit dem Aufzug. |
| 20:31.43 | Twixboy_ | Deine Mutter ist so fett sie sprang in den Ozean und Kolumbus dankte ihr für die neue Welt! |
| 20:31.48 | Twixboy_ | Deine Mutter ist so fett, wenn sie sich auf eine Waage stellt steht Fortsetzung folgt.. drauf! |
| 20:31.52 | Twixboy_ | Deine Mutter stinkt aus dem Mund wie eine Kuh aus dem Arsch! |
| 20:31.56 | abrotman | Twixboy_: english |
| 20:31.56 | Twixboy_ | Deine Zähne sind wie Perlen: Von beiden Seiten ein Loch. |
| 20:32.00 | Twixboy_ | Deine Mutter hat Hausverbot im Bahnhof,weil sie den Pennern die Decken klaut |
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| 20:32.05 | upIRC | abrotman: I do't know think of something |
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| 20:32.14 | abrotman | Twixboy_: msg me when you want to speak in english |
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| 20:32.24 | pothibo | Eulex: I did :P |
| 20:33.02 | jpinx | abrotman: it's profanities in german |
| 20:33.14 | grirgz | i have added snd and snd-seq to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist.conf |
| 20:33.20 | abrotman | i gathered that much .. it's not the profanities i mind :) |
| 20:33.42 | grirgz | is it the same that blacklist.local ? |
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| 20:34.22 | upIRC | grirgz: why are you bothered so much? low memory. |
| 20:34.31 | insolit | hi guys, if i clone a disk using dd, am i required to create partitions? |
| 20:34.44 | upIRC | insolit: yes |
| 20:34.52 | grirgz | upIRC: the modprobe process never end and eat all memory |
| 20:34.59 | upIRC | weired |
| 20:35.04 | insolit | upIRC, even if whole disk is cloned? |
| 20:35.09 | insolit | not the partition |
| 20:35.15 | abrotman | insolit: no |
| 20:35.16 | Eulex | pothibo, :) |
| 20:35.26 | upIRC | insolit: I should think so coz you'll need to specify a FS type |
| 20:35.28 | insolit | well yes or no? :) |
| 20:35.57 | abrotman | insolit: if you dd the entire disk, no .. the partition table is included in the dd |
| 20:36.01 | jelly-home | how do I find out whether debian supports this platform? http://paste.debian.net/33711/ (an arm-based NAS) |
| 20:36.14 | upIRC | would it hurt even if it was wrong,i think not. :p |
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| 20:36.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: ARM installation guide might tell you |
| 20:36.55 | jpinx | ok - I've read man ssh-config and I can't see where to make ssh on my local machine accept incoming ssh requests to a specific account. ssh is running - I am using it for outgoing ok. Any pointers please? |
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| 20:37.06 | jelly-home | abrotman: there are two! :-) |
| 20:37.17 | abrotman | yeah .. you might have to check both! |
| 20:37.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: or ask the #debian-arm on oftc |
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| 20:37.58 | insolit | jpinx, what you mean? you just want to allow ssh to a specific user? |
| 20:38.10 | jelly-home | abrotman: ah. They have a topic. |
| 20:38.14 | abrotman | they do?! |
| 20:38.50 | jpinx | insolit: I want to log into my remote machine and rsync a bunch of stuff back using sudo on the remote |
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| 20:39.08 | insolit | and what's the issue? |
| 20:39.39 | jpinx | insolit: when I try to rsync back the connection is refused |
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| 20:40.33 | jpinx | I've set portforwarding on the router to accept 22 and forward it to 49998 on teh machine, but I can not find where to set the listening port for ssh |
| 20:40.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman you can give the channel operator status to me :P if you need any help |
| 20:40.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 20:40.43 | abrotman | no |
| 20:40.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 20:40.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a lie |
| 20:41.00 | insolit | jpinx, can't you login into remote system via ssh? |
| 20:41.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can :) |
| 20:41.47 | jpinx | insolit: I am logged into the remote server, I want to "sudo rsync" from there back to my local machine |
| 20:41.56 | abrotman | i can, yes .. but doing so is a bad bad thing |
| 20:42.01 | abrotman | so i won't |
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| 20:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | that goes without saying |
| 20:42.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I was just trying to be needlessly annoying right from the start on :) |
| 20:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry |
| 20:42.39 | insolit | jpinx, you have a ssh server on your local machine i guess right? |
| 20:42.55 | jpinx | yes- I am using it already |
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| 20:43.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, repeat the question? |
| 20:43.29 | micols | will grub work with lvm-root on a default 2.6.26-686 debian kernel(lenny) ? |
| 20:43.46 | insolit | jpinx, have you oppened 22 port on your local computer? |
| 20:44.00 | micols | or do I have to recompile a new one with lvm built-in, or make the initramfs somehow |
| 20:44.01 | insolit | do you have a router between? |
| 20:44.07 | oget | What is the general reaction in the Debian world for Xorg's decision of disabling ctrl+alt+backspace? Did that hit you yet? |
| 20:44.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | (wondering if it's something I've done lots or something I'm clueless about) |
| 20:44.15 | jpinx | how do I make ssh listen on 49998 ? |
| 20:44.17 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: ^^ |
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| 20:44.31 | grirgz | :( |
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| 20:44.38 | mmind | jpinx, look in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 20:44.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, just add that port in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 20:44.42 | insolit | sshdconfig |
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| 20:45.00 | jpinx | looks |
| 20:45.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, afaik you can just add ports to the Port statement (or you must have several Port statements - it was one of the two) |
| 20:45.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | why would you want it to listen to weird_port? |
| 20:45.47 | mmind | i've always done it with multiple statements, one port per line |
| 20:45.57 | grirgz | i have added snd-pcm to blacklist.local but the modprobe snd-pcm is lauched again :( |
| 20:46.13 | insolit | http://debianclusters.cs.uni.edu/index.php/Cloning_Worker_Nodes_with_dd can anyone get into this site? |
| 20:46.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmind, ah, ok - I thought that might make the latter statement override the earlier ones... |
| 20:46.35 | grirgz | anyone can help me erase this damn modprobe ? |
| 20:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | grirgz, launched when? |
| 20:47.01 | oget | did Debian patch xorg to re-enable ctrl+alt+backspace? no one knows about this? |
| 20:47.04 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: insolit there's a commented out reference to port 22 in ssh_config, but nothing in sshd_config |
| 20:47.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, there should be a line "Port 22" |
| 20:47.40 | grirgz | CutMeOwnThroat: at boot start |
| 20:47.52 | grirgz | CutMeOwnThroat: then it never end and eat all memory |
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| 20:48.06 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: in which file? |
| 20:48.30 | jpinx | ssh_config or sshd_config |
| 20:48.35 | insolit | /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 20:48.38 | insolit | first line... |
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| 20:50.08 | jpinx | insolit: my first line in sshd_config says PermitRootLogin no, and the 2nd line says AllowUsers johnp |
| 20:50.13 | jpinx | that's it |
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| 20:50.24 | jelly-home | jpinx: no grep Port /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
| 20:50.25 | insolit | just add Port to that configuration file then |
| 20:50.28 | megaTherion | jpinx: man sshd_config |
| 20:50.35 | insolit | find it weird you do not have Port |
| 20:50.51 | jpinx | insolit: hence my being here to ask ;) |
| 20:51.09 | jpinx | adds the port and tries again |
| 20:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | grirgz, hmm, I wonder... that should be not really started so early... but ... could it be loaded by initram?! (doesn't really make sense, but see /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs ) |
| 20:51.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, yes, as i. said "/etc/ssh/sshd_config" |
| 20:52.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, http://pastebin.com/f5d7bfd39 <-- this is my one |
| 20:52.31 | jpinx | does that line just read " Port=22 " and do I have to restart ssh? |
| 20:52.36 | jelly-home | jpinx: do you know which release of debian was the initial installation of this machine? |
| 20:52.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, hell, READ! I wrote "Port 22", not "Port=22" |
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| 20:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, btw, there is man sshd_config |
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| 20:53.24 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: just got that - thanks |
| 20:53.31 | jelly-home | jpinx: also, you want "Port 48889" or whatever :-) |
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| 20:53.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, you can do some neat stuff with ListenAddress as well... like start two different ssh servers for two inet devices :) |
| 20:53.59 | jpinx | you guys don't have much patience with people on slow computers and slow connections, but thanks for the pointers:) |
| 20:54.43 | jpinx | jelly-home: my local machine that I am trying to configure ssh on is an upgrade to Lenny from Etch |
| 20:54.49 | jelly-home | jpinx: unusual config files make us suspicious |
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| 20:55.21 | jpinx | jelly-home: agreed - when i first looked at it I was wondering what was missing |
| 20:55.37 | SparFux | Hi! Is it advisable to compile and run 2.6.30 pristine kernel currently? Where can I check which debian modifications the 2.6.29 kernel includes? |
| 20:55.42 | lancelot_of | good evening everybody, does anyone know if there exist a scigraphica irc support channel? |
| 20:55.59 | jelly-home | SparFux: was 2.6.30 released? |
| 20:56.09 | SparFux | jelly: no, rc1. |
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| 20:56.19 | SQlvpapir | SparFux: get the .config from .29 in experimental |
| 20:56.25 | jelly-home | oh, all right then |
| 20:56.27 | SQlvpapir | and make oldconfig |
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| 20:56.57 | SparFux | SQl: yes, I'd do cp /boot/config-2.6.29-1-amd64 /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.30-rc2/.config ; make oldconfig |
| 20:57.06 | SparFux | but aren't there some serious debian patches? |
| 20:57.11 | jelly-home | SparFux: debian userspace works well with vanilla kernels. |
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| 20:57.42 | SparFux | jellY: debian userspace? and system space not? |
| 20:57.56 | SQlvpapir | SparFux: you will have to check the changelog or something.. idk if they keep a list of applied patches. remember some might be rendered obsolete |
| 20:58.02 | jelly-home | SparFux: userspace == everything else apart from kernel |
| 20:58.49 | SparFux | jelly: ok, I think I will just try 2.6.30-rc2. The problem I have is , it includes some vital patches to run bluetooth headsets. |
| 20:58.53 | SQlvpapir | remember not to compile the fs of your / as a module ;) |
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| 20:59.03 | jelly-home | SQlvpapir: initramfs ftw |
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| 20:59.20 | SparFux | Sql: actually I think I'll do this, but the module will be included on the initrd ;-) |
| 20:59.41 | SQlvpapir | hmm too much red hat haha :D |
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| 21:00.35 | jelly-home | !tell SparFux -about make-kpkg |
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| 21:00.50 | SparFux | yes, make-kpkg once I used. |
| 21:00.52 | SparFux | thx! |
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| 21:02.08 | jelly-home | SparFux: if you plan on using custom kernels in the future, you might want to disable all the unnecessary drivers and features that your hardware doesn't support... shortens the build time |
| 21:02.41 | SparFux | Yes, but it is a lot of work to find out what you need and what not. :-) |
| 21:03.10 | SparFux | but the build time is a blast, I compiled the kernel 2.6.29 three times yesterday :-( |
| 21:03.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, also, set "PermitRootLogin no" and "TCPKeepAlive yes" while you're at it |
| 21:03.50 | micols | anybody know grub error "Error 24: Attempt to access block outside partition" , im using root=/dev/mapper/mydisk , trying to boot from a usbstick which has all files in its root and a grub dir , i have run grub-setup etc. on it? |
| 21:03.50 | jpinx | jelly-home: you reckon it might be an idea to purge and re-install ssh to see if I get the right configuration files? |
| 21:04.04 | lancelot_of | is there any scigraphica user here? |
| 21:04.11 | SQlvpapir | SparFux: use CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=n+1 where n is the number of actual cores |
| 21:04.47 | jelly-home | jpinx: purging and reinstalling openssh-server should fix that, yes |
| 21:05.52 | jelly-home | SparFux: [a lot of work], yes, but you do it once and merely refine for newer kernel versions |
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| 21:06.06 | SparFux | that's true. |
| 21:06.20 | SparFux | dpkg does not talk to me. |
| 21:06.20 | dpkg | SparFux: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 21:06.42 | SparFux | dpkg: make-kpkg |
| 21:06.42 | dpkg | [make-kpkg] the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 21:06.47 | jpinx | jelly-home: ok - as soon as the current job is done, I'll do that |
| 21:06.49 | cognitiaclaeves | Does anyone run SVN on lenny? I'm trying to decide if I should upgrade the repo supported 1.5.1 version to 1.5.6 to get all the bugfixes... |
| 21:06.49 | jelly-home | SparFux: kernel for this laptop builds in about 7 minutes |
| 21:06.52 | SparFux | sry, but the dpkg does not send me any priv msg.! |
| 21:07.21 | jelly-home | SparFux: hm, are you registered and identified with nickserv? |
| 21:07.32 | SparFux | I think so. |
| 21:07.53 | jelly-home | You are. --- [SparFux] is identified to services |
| 21:07.54 | SparFux | otherwise I could noot join some channels, like asterisk or alsa, I think. |
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| 21:08.00 | jelly-home | weird. |
| 21:08.04 | SparFux | yes. |
| 21:08.26 | jelly-home | !+tell SparFux -about foo |
| 21:08.26 | dpkg | told SparFux about foo. |
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| 21:08.41 | jelly-home | SparFux: are you perhaps ignoring /msgs? |
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| 21:09.13 | SparFux | no way. send me one. |
| 21:09.18 | jelly-home | I did. |
| 21:09.23 | SparFux | huh? |
| 21:09.34 | jelly-home | /msg SparFux lolzorz |
| 21:09.38 | SparFux | nothing came in. so the fault is here with my installaation. |
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| 21:10.18 | SparFux | ill have to check on that later. |
| 21:10.22 | jelly-home | I'm not good with irc, but I think this network migt have some user modes that do that. |
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| 21:11.02 | sahueso | aca esta la solucion a los problemas de la humanidad con el madwifi |
| 21:11.05 | sahueso | http://www.joelsedano.com/blog/?p=1522 |
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| 21:11.16 | dondelelcaro | !es |
| 21:11.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:11.24 | grirgz | re |
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| 21:12.31 | choluquet | Hi. |
| 21:12.38 | grirgz | i have removed oss-compat.conf and linux-sound-base_noOSS.conf from /etc/modprobe.d/ and now modprobe dont appear anymore \o/ |
| 21:12.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm argentinia |
| 21:12.51 | choluquet | I always used alsaconf to handle my sound, but now it seems it's gone. |
| 21:12.54 | grirgz | but i have no sound :/ |
| 21:13.04 | choluquet | How can I handle my soundcard settings please ? |
| 21:13.29 | choluquet | I installed a new machine using squeeze and I can't make my sound system work :/ |
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| 21:13.35 | jetpda | wow lots of sound |
| 21:13.35 | choluquet | I have 2 sound cards |
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| 21:14.01 | Eulex | jetpda, well apparently not |
| 21:14.36 | jetpda | you could have your computer do sign language at you.... |
| 21:14.46 | jetpda | eulex... haha |
| 21:15.10 | jetpda | is one finger typing |
| 21:15.17 | jpinx | jelly-home: CutMeOwnThroat do I have to restart ssh after tweaking sshd_config - 'cos it's not working yet :( |
| 21:15.37 | jelly-home | jpinx: definitely yes |
| 21:15.42 | acido | i have a custom debian image that usually installs with install.sh but its not detecting the IDE harddisk / cdrom on a few machines can anyone help me? |
| 21:15.42 | jetpda | you can nohup it I 'think' |
| 21:15.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, of course |
| 21:16.05 | jelly-home | jpinx: not many unix services auto-apply config changes |
| 21:16.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetpda, no need, it initd.d/ssh restart doesn't touch existing connections |
| 21:16.30 | jpinx | ok |
| 21:16.44 | jetpda | o |
| 21:17.22 | choluquet | For info, il installed linux-sound-base, alsa-base and alsa-utils. |
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| 21:17.31 | choluquet | Now how can I make it work ? |
| 21:17.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, if you set "PermitRootLogin no", you can tell us your root password afterwards :) |
| 21:17.39 | jelly-home | acido: what's custom about it? |
| 21:18.15 | acido | its just got everything cut out from the image it only has browser+citrix terminal |
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| 21:18.41 | acido | its for a kiosk type enviroment |
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| 21:19.04 | jetpda | wonders why his sound didn't bork out... is it a lenny-squooze thing? |
| 21:19.22 | jetpda | upgrading to, I mean |
| 21:19.24 | acido | usually echo using_dma:0 > /proc/ide/hdc/settings fixes the problem |
| 21:19.29 | acido | or runing linux=nodma prior to loading the install.sh lets it work |
| 21:19.36 | acido | i just need to know how to load the iDE drivers |
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| 21:19.42 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: jelly-home /etc/init.d/ssh doesn't exist :( |
| 21:19.43 | devhell_ | anyone else got problems while updateing/installing python-elementtree acpi-support-base acpi-support acpid on a squeeze/sid machine? |
| 21:19.46 | jetpda | modprobe |
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| 21:20.24 | jelly-home | jpinx: pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 openssh-server |tail -2 |
| 21:20.44 | choluquet | Nobody knows ? :( |
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| 21:20.58 | devhell_ | I just ran into it while updateing my system.. |
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| 21:21.25 | jelly-home | devhell_: I remember python-elementtree being discussed earlier today |
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| 21:21.32 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:21.54 | devhell_ | jelly-home: oh.. well dpkg seems to have some trouble updateing it.. |
| 21:22.07 | jpinx | jelly-home: is it possible that I can be using ssh to connect remotely but not have the package installed for incoming connections? |
| 21:22.19 | devhell_ | jelly-home: or in my case installing it.. |
| 21:22.27 | eptalon | what do I need to do to get a "playable DVD copy" if I only get the "main feature" with dvdbackup |
| 21:22.30 | eptalon | ? |
| 21:22.31 | jelly-home | devhell_: hey, it's sid so you already know where to check for bug reports |
| 21:22.32 | devhell_ | same for all the acpid and related packages.. |
| 21:22.33 | cognitiaclaeves | is there a way to find a deb package for svn 1.5.6 ? |
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| 21:23.14 | devhell_ | jelly-home: yeah.. that is why I asked before submitting.. |
| 21:23.17 | jelly-home | jpinx: yes. those are two different packages. |
| 21:23.24 | eptalon | cognitiaclaeves: provided by the svn team? |
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| 21:23.41 | dondelelcaro | cognitiaclaeves: it's packaged and in unstable |
| 21:23.46 | jelly-home | jpinx: ssh, the client, is in openssh-client package., |
| 21:23.48 | dondelelcaro | (and testing) |
| 21:23.52 | cognitiaclaeves | eptalon: No, I can see that the svn team doesn't provide it. |
| 21:24.08 | jpinx | jelly-home: ok - standby - I'll need to install the "other" one then ;) |
| 21:24.15 | cognitiaclaeves | dondelelcaro: ok... so, how do I know if the package works on lenny or not? |
| 21:24.30 | jelly-home | jpinx: please paste those two lines asked for |
| 21:24.38 | dondelelcaro | cognitiaclaeves: it won't directly. You'd need to backport it |
| 21:24.52 | eptalon | cognitiaclaeves: several options: use experimental (or another version of debian), use alien to build one, eg. from rpm. |
| 21:25.13 | jelly-home | eptalon: "use alien to build one, eg. from rpm." EWWW |
| 21:25.23 | dondelelcaro | eptalon: uh... none of those are valid options |
| 21:25.46 | dondelelcaro | cognitiaclaeves: or you could just use 1.5.1, which is in stable already, or wait for 1.5.6 to be backported |
| 21:25.47 | jpinx | http://pastebin.com/m308252e8 jelly-home |
| 21:25.53 | dondelelcaro | cognitiaclaeves: is there something specific in 1.5.6 that you need? |
| 21:26.02 | grirgz | when i log in tty1 (or the others), the permission of /dev/tty1 are too restricted to start screen (--x-wx-- grirgz tty /dev/tty1) which file i should modify to fix this problem ? |
| 21:26.08 | cognitiaclaeves | dondelelcaro: I'm concerned about the bugfixes listed in 1.5.2 - 1.5.6 ... |
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| 21:26.40 | eptalon | dondelelcaro: alien usually makes horrible packages. |
| 21:26.41 | RichiH | heh |
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| 21:26.53 | RichiH | just tried to install a new sid system |
| 21:26.54 | jelly-home | jpinx: alright. move away that /etc/ssh/sshd_config file before installing openssh-server |
| 21:27.07 | RichiH | but the lenny after-effects still linger :p |
| 21:27.22 | jpinx | jelly-home: already done |
| 21:27.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, eh? no, gotta purge or ... "!confmiss" |
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| 21:27.45 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: did you take a look at his dpkg -l? |
| 21:27.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | doing it now |
| 21:28.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 21:28.06 | dondelelcaro | cognitiaclaeves: well, you can wait, or you can backport it yourself. The SVN team will probably backport it eventually (or they may wait to backport 1.6) |
| 21:28.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see |
| 21:28.11 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: the second character is "n"... nothing to purge |
| 21:28.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 21:28.26 | acido | anyone know of an alternative to linux ide=nodma |
| 21:28.50 | cognitiaclaeves | dondelelcaro: ok... where do I go to find out how to backport? Waiting isn't really an option. |
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| 21:29.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, what system is that? perhaps check rpm -qa or somesuch |
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| 21:29.24 | jpinx | jelly-home: so what am I installing? openssh-client or openssh-server? |
| 21:29.32 | RichiH | acido: to achieve what? |
| 21:29.36 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: lenny |
| 21:30.09 | acido | to load IDE drivers so i can install a custom debian image |
| 21:30.14 | jelly-home | jpinx: for the service? I'll leave you to guess it. :-> |
| 21:30.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean who installed that... hmm, try dpkg -S sshd |
| 21:30.20 | acido | the pc is old and the image is looking for sata drives |
| 21:30.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, hehe |
| 21:30.28 | grirgz | which command set the permissions of tty at login ? getty ? login ? other ? |
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| 21:30.53 | jpinx | jelly-home: ok - thanks - I'll have to wait till my connection clears a bit |
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| 21:31.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | or possibly dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 21:32.01 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: the... package... is ... not ... there! |
| 21:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, but sshd is running |
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| 21:32.33 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: there was nothing said to indicate that |
| 21:32.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... |
| 21:32.51 | jelly-home | we just persumed it was |
| 21:32.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell cognitiaclaeves -about ssb |
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| 21:32.58 | deever | hi |
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| 21:33.33 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: apparently, to make ssh listen on 49998 one first needs to install it |
| 21:33.37 | jpinx | jelly-home: CutMeOwnThroat my bad - "I" assumed it was running |
| 21:33.39 | a-l-e | i get a "size mismatch" error when fetching a package... any idea how i could solve the problem? |
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| 21:33.45 | jelly-home | sshd* |
| 21:33.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, duh... we live and learn |
| 21:33.52 | dondelelcaro | cognitiaclaeves: see the instructions that dpkg told you. If it's really pressing, you could also e-mail peterS and ask him to make a backport upload |
| 21:34.01 | grirgz | i have found TTYPERM variable in /etc/login.defs, however it's set to 0600 and my tty obviously are not set to 0600, how can this be possible ? |
| 21:34.18 | jelly-home | jpinx: s'all good and figured out now |
| 21:34.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, some of us even do it the other way around |
| 21:35.18 | dondelelcaro | grirgz: what is the exact error that screen is giving you? |
| 21:35.27 | mmind | a-l-e, i've had some size mismatch problems before. i don't know the "proper" way to fix it, but i just rm'd the archive and redownloaded it |
| 21:35.41 | cognitiaclaeves | thanks, dondelelcaro. I'll see what I can get from what you gave me. :) |
| 21:36.00 | grirgz | dondelelcaro: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/tty2' - please check |
| 21:36.18 | dondelelcaro | grirgz: and you're logged into /dev/tty2? what are the permissions on /dev/tty3? |
| 21:36.31 | dondelelcaro | grirgz: are you running udev? |
| 21:36.47 | grirgz | yes |
| 21:37.01 | a-l-e | mmind: well, i made a "aptitude clean": the package gets downloaded again, but the error doesn't desappeare :-( |
| 21:37.29 | mmind | a-l-e, are you using an apt-cacher or some other proxy? the proxy may be serving you a corrupted archive |
| 21:37.50 | a-l-e | no, no proxy |
| 21:38.12 | dondelelcaro | grirgz: yes to which question? |
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| 21:38.17 | mmind | well then, i don't know what the problem might be |
| 21:38.19 | deever | what actually is the directory /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages still used for? as i have seen, debian uses a python-support package |
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| 21:38.45 | grirgz | dondelelcaro: when i'm not logged in, it's rw-------, when i'm logged in, it's --x-wx-- |
| 21:38.50 | grirgz | dondelelcaro: yes to the two questions |
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| 21:39.35 | grirgz | dondelelcaro: it's --x-wx--T sorry |
| 21:40.30 | dondelelcaro | grirgz: uh... that makes no sense at all. Does it do this for every user? Has it always done this? |
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| 21:41.13 | grirgz | it do this for every user, it do this since i've upgraded my old sid |
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| 21:41.36 | grirgz | i am thinking about reinstalling all |
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| 21:42.07 | dondelelcaro | grirgz: what version of udev are you running? what kernel is running? |
| 21:42.25 | grirgz | 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 21:42.29 | plb_ | argh ok who's the slippery bugger who took alsaconf out lol...fuck no sound now argh. |
| 21:42.41 | plb_ | is there another means of alsa configuring in testing? |
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| 21:43.41 | grirgz | udev 0.140-2 |
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| 21:45.37 | plb_ | udev sucks then lol |
| 21:45.40 | plb_ | doesn't find nothin |
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| 21:49.27 | jelly-home | grirgz: I'd upgrade the kernel at least |
| 21:49.51 | jelly-home | grirgz: no reason why it should matter in any way, but still ;-) |
| 21:50.18 | grirgz | jelly-home: ok, i will try that |
| 21:50.49 | grirgz | jelly-home: can i install debian from my hard drive ? i have no cd, no usb key |
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| 21:52.15 | jelly-home | grirgz: if you have some sort of a working linux system, you can use debootstrap |
| 21:52.49 | grirgz | jelly-home: there is a difference between linux-image-2.6-k7 and linux-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 21:53.08 | jelly-home | -686 replaces -k7 now |
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| 21:53.16 | jelly-home | !k7 |
| 21:53.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <k7 dropped> |
| 21:53.17 | grirgz | ok |
| 21:53.20 | grirgz | thanks |
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| 21:55.00 | plb_ | dumb question...since alsaconf is no longer in squeeze/sid...is there an alternative? my card is not detected but it works fine in lenny using alsaconf to configure it |
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| 21:55.51 | enouf | grirgz: /msg dpkg k7 dropped |
| 21:56.15 | grirgz | already seen, thanks =) |
| 21:56.18 | enouf | plb_: no idea .. i haven't yet figured out the alternative |
| 21:56.44 | plb_ | hmm |
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| 21:57.04 | kleetus | i am trying to nfsroot a client, when the ipconfig -t 180 eth0 runs to configure the adapter (this is after the machine pxe booted and initrd is mounted), the machine asks for an ip from the dhcp server, the dhcp server offers the correct one, but then the nfsroot reasks for a different one for some strange reason, does anyone know why |
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| 21:57.17 | enouf | plb_: cat /proc/asound/{cards,drivers} to start |
| 21:57.19 | souljaboy | http://peen-nigger.mybrute.com/ |
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| 21:57.27 | plb_ | enouf: did that... |
| 21:57.39 | plb_ | Codec: LSI ID 1040 |
| 21:57.39 | plb_ | Codec: Realtek ALC268 |
| 21:57.49 | enouf | codec? |
| 21:57.56 | plb_ | er |
| 21:58.15 | plb_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:58.33 | enouf | sorry, should've been |
| 21:58.39 | enouf | plb_: cat /proc/asound/{cards,modules} to start |
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| 21:59.18 | ranamalo | i'm having an issue with a pcmcia card that shows up in lspci but doesn't seem to have a ethX device |
| 21:59.25 | plb_ | snd_hda_intel |
| 21:59.27 | enouf | but all i can say is check your /etc/modules.d/sound file .. and modinfo snd-hda-intel for possible needed params (parms) |
| 21:59.49 | ranamalo | how to I assign an ethX to a nic? |
| 21:59.49 | plb_ | ah |
| 21:59.51 | plb_ | got it now |
| 21:59.54 | plb_ | thanks |
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| 22:00.39 | enouf | it's like the 2nsd half is missing ... heh, ac97 codec or the digital part is, ..whatever .. is alsa-oss installed? |
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| 22:01.06 | jelly-home | ranamalo: can you pastebin some 20 or so lines from dmesg or /var/log/kern.log when the card gets inserted? |
| 22:01.12 | enouf | ranamalo: install pcmciautils ? |
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| 22:01.27 | ranamalo | i'll do both |
| 22:01.32 | jelly-home | enouf: if it appears in lspci, it's a cardbus |
| 22:01.48 | ranamalo | yes it's a cardbus |
| 22:02.12 | enouf | which means what .. 32bit? so? |
| 22:02.20 | jelly-home | ranamalo: also pastebin your lspci and lspci -n |
| 22:02.22 | \3TATUK | How can I set it so that a connection from a certain mac address (HWaddr) receives a certain IP? |
| 22:02.43 | jelly-home | enouf: pcmciautils are only used with 16bit stuff, real pcmcia |
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| 22:03.06 | enouf | ranamalo: the appropriate kernel modules need to be loaded, 1st and foremost, after that, it's udev's job basically ... |
| 22:03.17 | themill | \3TATUK: you can specify that mapping in /etc/dhcpd.conf |
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| 22:03.20 | enouf | jelly-home: i did not know that - thanks for that info |
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| 22:03.33 | ranamalo | so I'll yank the card put it back in and copy dmesg |
| 22:03.37 | \3TATUK | themill: synax? |
| 22:03.43 | jelly-home | ranamalo: yep |
| 22:03.44 | enouf | ranamalo: pgrep udevd |
| 22:04.06 | enouf | ranamalo: and ls /sys/class/net |
| 22:04.17 | themill | \3TATUK: man dhcpd.conf ; there are plenty of examples |
| 22:04.26 | \3TATUK | i got it thanks |
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| 22:04.35 | enouf | ranamalo: and /msg dpkg 70 |
| 22:04.44 | ranamalo | here's lspci: http://debian.pastebin.com/m38a91fa8 |
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| 22:05.16 | jelly-home | ranamalo: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: U.S. Robotics USR997901A 10/100 Cardbus NIC (rev 10)? |
| 22:05.19 | enouf | ranamalo: if the pgrep udevd returns a PID , no need to pastebin it .. it shows it's running is all |
| 22:05.45 | ranamalo | jelly-home: yes |
| 22:05.54 | jelly-home | ranamalo: lspci -n -s 03:00.0 |
| 22:06.15 | ranamalo | 03:00.0 0200: 16ec:ab06 (rev 10) |
| 22:06.16 | jelly-home | you may paste the single line here |
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| 22:06.28 | enouf | nice one jelly-home |
| 22:06.41 | enouf | learns about -s |
| 22:07.08 | ranamalo | enouf: udevd is running |
| 22:07.10 | enouf | prefers to say "what's lspci -nn" instead :-P |
| 22:07.17 | enouf | ranamalo: ok, good |
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| 22:07.42 | ranamalo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.43 | ranamalo | eth0 eth1 lo |
| 22:07.55 | enouf | judd: pciid [16ec:ab06] |
| 22:07.56 | judd | enouf: Error: "16ec:ab06" is not a valid command. |
| 22:08.02 | enouf | hrm |
| 22:08.21 | enouf | is mixing up bots and commands ... ugh |
| 22:08.27 | jelly-home | !pciid [16ec:ab06] |
| 22:08.27 | dpkg | grep -i `echo 16ec:ab06 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 22:08.49 | enouf | jelly-home: judd: actually returns an answer |
| 22:09.15 | enouf | or used to ... themill .. how about some help? ;-) |
| 22:09.15 | jelly-home | I don't see the command listed in "/msg judd list judd" |
| 22:09.33 | themill | judd pciid 16ec:ab06 |
| 22:09.35 | judd | themill: [16ec:ab06] is 'USR997901A 10/100 Cardbus NIC' from 'U.S. Robotics' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi?check=1&lspci=16ec:ab06 |
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| 22:09.42 | careta | hello |
| 22:09.50 | enouf | great .. my use of brackets screwed me ... |
| 22:09.55 | enouf | :-P |
| 22:09.56 | jelly-home | ranamalo: looks like there's no driver for that hardware (yet?) |
| 22:10.00 | enouf | themill: thank you |
| 22:10.12 | careta | can anyone tell me how can i set my extra mouse buttons to do forward /backward in firefox? |
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| 22:10.37 | themill | enouf: you need to quote the brackets due to the supybot syntax... it uses [...] like a shell escape $(...) |
| 22:10.46 | ranamalo | kern.log: http://debian.pastebin.com/m45a464c1 |
| 22:10.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | creyon_, Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
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| 22:11.03 | ranamalo | jelly-home: doesn't give anything really |
| 22:11.07 | grirgz | re |
| 22:11.09 | enouf | themill: ahhh ... i'll just remove the brackets then ;-) -- but, does that check also the 2.6.29 in sid? |
| 22:11.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | ( Section "InputDevice" ) |
| 22:11.13 | enouf | oh duh .. ok |
| 22:11.16 | themill | jelly-home: "/msg judd list Piccy" (it's a different plugin) |
| 22:11.17 | jelly-home | ranamalo: yep. No driver claimed it |
| 22:11.24 | themill | judd kernels |
| 22:11.26 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.29-trunk-686 (2.6.29-1~experimental.2~snapshot.13314); sid: 2.6.29-1-686 (2.6.29-2); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 22:11.27 | jelly-home | themill: oh, fudge |
| 22:11.38 | themill | enouf: ^^ yes. |
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| 22:11.49 | enouf | themill: heh .. you got me :-p |
| 22:11.52 | ranamalo | jelly-home: yeah so I have a driver for the 2.4 kernel I found on the usr site |
| 22:12.08 | grirgz | after i destroyed all sound related things in /etc/mod* i have upgraded to the .29 kernel and now sound work surprinsing well! |
| 22:12.24 | grirgz | i dont know how.. |
| 22:12.31 | jelly-home | ranamalo: if it was any good, someone would have ported it to 2.6. |
| 22:12.35 | ranamalo | jelly-home: but I'm thinking that maynot work. I had this same issue with a pcmcia microsoft mn-120 |
| 22:12.41 | enouf | grirgz: heh .. i love the "destroy to renew" method ... when it works ;-) |
| 22:12.41 | grirgz | i have blacklisted all sound modules |
| 22:12.59 | ranamalo | jelly-home: so you think there is no hope? |
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| 22:13.14 | jelly-home | ranamalo: I have a Xircom and a realtek based cardbus rotting in my desk l0( |
| 22:13.19 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 22:13.25 | ranamalo | lol |
| 22:13.34 | grirgz | enouf: what i am wondering is how the sound can work with no files related to sound in /etc/modprobe.d/ and all sound modules blacklisted |
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| 22:13.48 | enouf | grirgz: you think they are - they are not |
| 22:14.00 | jelly-home | ranamalo: ebay for a xircom device, it'll very likely work |
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| 22:14.41 | enouf | grirgz: all files in /etc/modprobe.d/ are processed ... and anything in /etc/modules could override blacklisting ... and then there's the initrd .. /msg dpkg bootlogd |
| 22:14.43 | ranamalo | jelly-home: I'm not in the state right now and won't be back for months |
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| 22:15.09 | ranamalo | jelly-home: the ms mn-120 is supposed to be handled under tulip |
| 22:15.22 | ranamalo | jelly-home: how can I find out for sure? |
| 22:15.28 | enouf | grirgz: if a /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf exists, that will be processed prior to /etc/modprobe.d/* unfortunately |
| 22:15.53 | enouf | grirgz: i did hear you say all /etc/mod* |
| 22:15.53 | plb_ | Hm, I'm on squeeze and install propietary ati drivers but there seems to be an issue fgl_glxgears I just get a blank window and same with mplayer if I use gl video driver |
| 22:16.29 | grirgz | enouf: imagine i want to clean all this files to get a clean modules config, how could i do that ? |
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| 22:16.42 | enouf | grirgz: take a look at what /etc/init.d/alsa* files actually are doing .. also check any files related in /etc/default/ |
| 22:16.47 | grirgz | enouf: because it seem very old and dirty |
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| 22:17.15 | enouf | grirgz: my motto is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it :-P |
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| 22:17.30 | grirgz | in fact i want to understand how all this things work |
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| 22:17.47 | enouf | grirgz: yes .. many of us want to .. and it's ever changing ;-) |
| 22:17.54 | enouf | so .. grow with the curve |
| 22:17.58 | jelly-home | ranamalo: insert it, see what happens in dmesg; if it's 16bit, you'll need that pcmciautils package |
| 22:18.00 | grirgz | do you have a link to a good doc ? |
| 22:18.25 | ranamalo | jelly-home: how do I know if it's 16bit? |
| 22:18.37 | grirgz | ok, now i understand, nobody in debian know what is happening :p |
| 22:18.42 | jelly-home | ranamalo: it work appear in lspci when inserted :-) |
| 22:18.46 | jelly-home | won't* |
| 22:19.21 | ranamalo | jelly-home: it says the same as the other one and it appears on lspci (got it cause pci is 32 bit right) |
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| 22:19.27 | gaintsura | when I boot, dmesg says this: http://pastie.org/449211 how can I fix this problem? |
| 22:19.32 | enouf | grirgz: well .. one site is http://alsa.opensrc.org/ but might be old .. i would look to follow certain sites, like lkml.org, lwn.net, and kerneltrap.org (if still current) and kernelnewbies.org .. and ofcoure the kernel source and /Documentation |
| 22:19.53 | jelly-home | ranamalo: and its pci-id? |
| 22:19.58 | enouf | grirgz: and any alsa only related kernel lkml.org sites |
| 22:20.20 | ranamalo | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Microsoft Corporation MN-120 (ADMtek Centaur-C based) (rev 11) |
| 22:20.24 | grirgz | enouf: and for the modules part, it's managed by debian, no ? |
| 22:20.26 | jelly-home | ranamalo: -n |
| 22:20.26 | enouf | grirgz: not true - but we are not all devs here either |
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| 22:20.42 | jelly-home | ranamalo: oh, MS thing. Won't work. :-) |
| 22:20.59 | ranamalo | jelly-home: doh! |
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| 22:21.07 | grirgz | enouf: ok thanks =) |
| 22:21.08 | jelly-home | vaguely remembers reading about it, weird hardware |
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| 22:21.25 | enouf | grirgz: it's not much different/tweaked than kernel.org sources i'd imagine .. however .. Release versions and Kernel versions will be specific .. and yes, Debian is patched for Debian |
| 22:21.44 | jelly-home | ranamalo: but let's try the pciid for completeness |
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| 22:22.25 | ranamalo | jelly-home: what update-pciid? |
| 22:22.49 | jelly-home | ranamalo: the hex number you get with lspci -n |
| 22:22.55 | jelly-home | xxxx:xxxx |
| 22:23.20 | ranamalo | 03:00.0 0200: 1414:0001 (rev 11) |
| 22:23.27 | grirgz | enouf: in fact, i really want to understand how by installing a new kernel the sound work correctly. so i must understand how hardware is detected and how the modules config file are generated |
| 22:23.31 | ranamalo | 1414:0001 |
| 22:23.32 | jelly-home | judd: pciid 1414:0001 |
| 22:23.33 | judd | jelly-home: [1414:0001] is 'MN-120 (ADMtek Centaur-C based)' from 'Microsoft Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi?check=1&lspci=1414:0001 |
| 22:23.35 | enouf | judd: do your thing ;0 |
| 22:23.35 | judd | enouf: Error: "do" is not a valid command. |
| 22:23.57 | jelly-home | ranamalo: yup. Third card's the charm! |
| 22:24.30 | ranamalo | command not found |
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| 22:24.41 | ranamalo | is the program pciid? |
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| 22:25.00 | ranamalo | cause nothing comes up in a aptitude search |
| 22:25.01 | jelly-home | ranamalo: so far all your cards are weird and unsupported in Linux, sorry |
| 22:25.05 | enouf | grirgz: well .. my friend .. happy trails to you ;-) you can join many debian-*@lists.debian.org to follow dev .. there's also OFTC.net (irc.debian,org) which hosts many of the debian devel channels |
| 22:25.25 | ranamalo | jelly-home: they were all free |
| 22:25.31 | jelly-home | ranamalo: no, I just asked the judd bot to look up the driver for that card in Debian's kernels |
| 22:25.38 | jelly-home | ranamalo: no wonder! |
| 22:25.42 | enouf | ranamalo: as long as they're not u3! :-p |
| 22:26.01 | ranamalo | jelly-home: u3? |
| 22:26.17 | jelly-home | ranamalo: I've no idea what u3 is. |
| 22:26.51 | ranamalo | enouf: u3? |
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| 22:27.49 | jelly-home | ranamalo: I guess it's possible one of those might work with windows drivers and ndiswrapper |
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| 22:28.15 | ranamalo | judd: pciid 16ec:ab06 |
| 22:28.16 | judd | ranamalo: [16ec:ab06] is 'USR997901A 10/100 Cardbus NIC' from 'U.S. Robotics' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi?check=1&lspci=16ec:ab06 |
| 22:28.34 | ranamalo | jelly-home: yeah I didn't think about that |
| 22:28.45 | enouf | ranamalo: a bad joke .. but "/msg dpkg u3" if you care to |
| 22:28.49 | grirgz | enouf: ok, thanks for your help =) |
| 22:28.55 | ranamalo | jelly-home: haven't done that in a while |
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| 22:29.18 | jelly-home | ranamalo: google mentions the MS card working: http://burnthesorbonne.com/ndiswrapper/m-n.html |
| 22:29.32 | JC | hi |
| 22:29.33 | enouf | !u3 |
| 22:29.33 | dpkg | somebody said u3 was a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems.. These devices also appear as cdrom drives, and use a ISO FS ... |
| 22:29.39 | enouf | that was for jelly-home |
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| 22:30.06 | ranamalo | jelly-home: same a with a wireless card I guess I'll give it a go |
| 22:30.23 | enouf | (not like he doesn't know about msg'ing the bot or anything) |
| 22:30.45 | jelly-home | didn't want to know |
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| 22:31.11 | enouf | you will .. when faced with that whole dumbassed nightmare |
| 22:32.08 | ranamalo | that's ridiculous |
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| 22:32.28 | enouf | it's incredulous even! |
| 22:32.39 | careta | what is the difference between testing and experimental? |
| 22:32.50 | enouf | careta: about two generations |
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| 22:33.10 | careta | so it is stable -> testing -> unstable -> experimental ? |
| 22:33.13 | enouf | careta: /msg dpkg experimental ; /msg dpkg releases |
| 22:33.19 | careta | ok thanks |
| 22:33.19 | enouf | yes |
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| 22:33.38 | enouf | careta: experimental is no release, and not fully populated |
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| 22:33.58 | enouf | not to mention; /msg dpkg sid |
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| 22:34.26 | enouf | careta: sid will never be released and always be sid (unstable) |
| 22:34.40 | acido | debian wont detect my ide/cdrom drive anyhelp? :( |
| 22:34.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | careta, well, you know sid from toy-story? The experimental stuff is what he's not trusted with because he might cause serious harm :-P |
| 22:34.54 | enouf | acido: which version of Debian? |
| 22:34.56 | subsume | I thought a fresh debian install would automatically run things in /etc/cron.daily. how can I verify that all is well? I have a script with the right permissions not running. |
| 22:35.15 | subsume | I ran the script. as root in that directory, runs fine. |
| 22:36.04 | jelly-home | acido: does the current debian livecd detect and boot off your cdrom? |
| 22:36.08 | careta | ok CutMeOwnThroat I like my data, i'll continue using stable, maybe testing when it gets security updates |
| 22:36.24 | enouf | acido: you could just try these two commands at the boot prompt (one at a time ofcourse) ; "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" [or] "install libata.atapi_enabled=1" .. or you could just enable AHCI in your BIOS if it's a SATA Optical drive |
| 22:36.46 | acido | okay ill try that |
| 22:37.09 | enouf | acido: can you give us some info about specific ISO / release / version ? |
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| 22:37.38 | gaintsura | cannot open /dev/fuse access denied? |
| 22:37.55 | enouf | gaintsura: is your user in the "fuser" group ? |
| 22:37.57 | jelly-home | [23:15] <acido> i have a custom debian image that usually installs with install.sh but its not detecting the IDE harddisk / cdrom on a few machines can anyone help me? [23:18] <acido> its just got everything cut out from the image it only has browser+citrix terminal |
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| 22:38.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | careta, the data is not normally what's in danger... it's more that you end up in dependency-hell (or that the sofware itself is plain broken) |
| 22:38.24 | enouf | jelly-home: other channel? |
| 22:38.30 | jelly-home | this one |
| 22:38.30 | gaintsura | the only 'fuser' group is fuse, and I've added myself to it, yes |
| 22:38.35 | enouf | wow .. |
| 22:38.40 | enouf | i must be blind |
| 22:38.47 | jelly-home | enouf: no versions mentioned so far |
| 22:38.51 | enouf | gaintsura: ok |
| 22:38.53 | careta | it bores me having gnome 2.22. but i don't like ubuntu |
| 22:38.56 | enouf | jelly-home: righto |
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| 22:39.40 | gaintsura | brb, making coffeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:39.42 | enouf | gaintsura: have you logged out your user entirely , then logged back in? |
| 22:39.45 | gaintsura | no |
| 22:39.49 | gaintsura | should I have to? |
| 22:39.55 | enouf | well , do so gaintsura .. yes! |
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| 22:45.09 | Bravewolf | I discovered that /var/lib/dpkg/status contains the list of also uninstalled and purged packages. Why apt-get remove --purge doesn't clean this list? I discovered this problem because update-initramfs looks for an old kernel completely deleted from my system and I search the whole system to find traces of that old kernel. |
| 22:45.53 | enouf | Bravewolf: you might want apt-get {clean,autoclean} .. man apt-get |
| 22:46.07 | Bravewolf | enouf: yet done |
| 22:46.18 | subsume | I'm running a server with loads of failed passwords in the auth.log. Something I should be doing about this? |
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| 22:46.43 | dkr | subsume: you could run fail2ban to drop in an iptables rule to block attempts from brute force crackers like that |
| 22:47.45 | enouf | Bravewolf: man kernel-img.conf as well and see /etc/kernel-img.conf settings .. update-initramfs can be given the "....-u -k 2.6.version" args |
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| 22:48.27 | Bravewolf | enouf: yet done without results. It's not a problem of old download debs. The problem is that /var/lib/apt/status tracks all the packages installed on the system, also the purged one. |
| 22:48.36 | enouf | Bravewolf: IOW, to update a specific initrd version, pass it those options |
| 22:49.09 | Bravewolf | enouf: yes.. but update-initramfs -k all looks for yet purged kernel... and apt-get upgrade breaks |
| 22:49.17 | Bravewolf | dpkg --configure -a breaks |
| 22:49.17 | dpkg | Bravewolf: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 22:49.45 | Bravewolf | the only awful solution is to create a fake directory in /lib/modules |
| 22:49.50 | subsume | dkr: will that cover stuff like reverse mapping breakins too? |
| 22:50.09 | Bravewolf | dpkg: it seems a debian specific problem, not a linux problem |
| 22:50.09 | dpkg | wish i knew, Bravewolf |
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| 22:50.35 | dkr | subsume: it parses logs looking for a simlpe regex match for certain stuff. you can config it to block based on whatever criteria |
| 22:50.36 | enouf | Bravewolf: was it a debian linux-image-version that you purged? |
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| 22:51.05 | enouf | Bravewolf: dpkg here is a bot; dpkgbot for lack of a better term |
| 22:51.11 | Bravewolf | enouf: it was a kernel image built with make-kpkg |
| 22:51.25 | enouf | Bravewolf: and installed with dpkg -i ? |
| 22:51.25 | Bravewolf | enouf: purged months ago |
| 22:51.32 | Bravewolf | enouf: yes |
| 22:51.34 | donkdonk | i am trying to switch from RHEL to debian. how do i open the firewall for tcp/443? |
| 22:51.35 | enouf | Bravewolf: something is amuck |
| 22:52.09 | donkdonk | i know the server is using iptables. |
| 22:52.11 | Bravewolf | enouf: and purged with "dpkg -P" |
| 22:52.25 | enouf | Bravewolf: check /boot/ for old system.map, vmlinuz, initrd files ... and / for stale symlinks |
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| 22:53.09 | enouf | Bravewolf: fake dir/ ? what? |
| 22:53.18 | Bravewolf | enouf: both /boot and / are clean. no old files |
| 22:53.26 | enouf | did it not remove /lib/modules/OLD-VERSION ? |
| 22:54.00 | gaintsura | enouf, any idea how to clear my gnome session, it went b0rk |
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| 22:54.12 | Bravewolf | enouf: I need to mkdir /lib/modules/OLD-VERSION |
| 22:54.24 | doudou | Hi, how do i print into a txt file? |
| 22:54.36 | dkr | echo foo > file |
| 22:54.46 | Bravewolf | enouf: otherwise dpkg --configure -a doesn't work. even if that OLD-VERSION is not installed |
| 22:54.55 | doudou | iceweasel propose to print |
| 22:55.00 | enouf | gaintsura: no, i never used gnome ... |
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| 22:55.45 | Storst | ok , heres the problem. |
| 22:55.51 | gaintsura | =( |
| 22:55.55 | doudou | click on print to file |
| 22:55.58 | enouf | Bravewolf: you might not need to run dpkg --configure -a and what are your debconf settings set to? dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 22:55.59 | Storst | need a way to add a cronjob for a user using 1 line |
| 22:56.00 | doudou | i found the button |
| 22:56.02 | doudou | thanks |
| 22:56.03 | Storst | like echo '0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * $user /home/$user/psybnc/psybncchk >/dev/null 2>&1' > /etc/cron.d/$cron |
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| 22:56.12 | Storst | but that needs root access |
| 22:56.23 | enouf | Bravewolf: also ; install configure-debian , i find it useful |
| 22:56.27 | Storst | something that wouldnt need root accesss |
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| 22:56.55 | hacker_kid | i have debian on a second hard drive and im trying to write a grub entry to boot it but i get a kernel panic, cannot mount root fs |
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| 22:57.56 | Bravewolf | enouf: debconf -> Gnome, medium. I will install configure-debian |
| 22:58.14 | doudou | being back, that was too simple, the file is a postcript unreadable file, i want the text of the website into a txt file, how? |
| 22:58.35 | gravity | I should really revisit cofigure-debian and do some work on it. |
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| 22:58.42 | doudou | maybe how to convert postcript to txt? |
| 22:58.44 | dkr | doudou: lynx -dump url > file |
| 22:58.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | doudou, "save" -> as text |
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| 22:59.01 | dkr | doudou: lynx -source url > file if you want the html, rather than the text |
| 22:59.03 | amphi | doudou: wrm -dump (or lynx for that matter) any good to you? |
| 22:59.09 | amphi | doudou: er, w3m |
| 22:59.09 | Storst | no one knows! |
| 22:59.19 | Storst | echo '0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * $user /home/$user/psybnc/psybncchk >/dev/null 2>&1' > /etc/cron.d/$cron |
| 22:59.31 | Storst | something like that but could be set without root access |
| 22:59.32 | dkr | Storst: I don't know why you keep pasting that. nope |
| 23:00.03 | doudou | i dont beleive it will be good, because the print command change css of the page, that is not the same, lynx wont understand anything and save wont keep the print css |
| 23:00.47 | doudou | maybe i need to install special printer device, or tool to convert postcript to txt |
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| 23:03.46 | doudou | well, luckily the site propose to download the page in RTF ... but seems my question need another answer. thanks to all |
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| 23:06.28 | orveldv | I have this strange question, does someone know an IM client for linux that supports video and/or voice besides kopete,ekiga,gizmo,skype ? |
| 23:06.44 | orveldv | I've tried qnext but it fails miserably |
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| 23:07.19 | rraindown | orveldv, amsn works for video and voice on msn |
| 23:07.26 | etchPERSN | wonders whats the easy way to install upgraded versions gimp or inkscape... whatever... on an Etch system ? Is there a way to get libraries for specific apps, that is ? |
| 23:07.46 | orveldv | rraindown: oh good to know, thanks |
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| 23:10.05 | hacker_kid | i have debian on a second hard drive with ubuntu on the first with grub. im trying to write a grub entry to boot debian but i keep getting a kernel panic, cannot mount root fs. this is the entry http://codepad.org/Y8qC424C |
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| 23:10.39 | etchPERSN | hackerkid... it used to be easy... with the old grub |
| 23:10.50 | rraindown | hacker_kid, you're missing an initrd line |
| 23:11.10 | hacker_kid | rraindown, ah. and that would cause a failure to mount the root filesystem? |
| 23:11.17 | rraindown | hacker_kid, indeed |
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| 23:11.54 | hacker_kid | rraindown, can you give me an example of how to form that lin? |
| 23:11.56 | hacker_kid | line* |
| 23:12.44 | rraindown | initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 23:12.59 | hacker_kid | rraindown, thank you so much :) |
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| 23:13.13 | enouf | gravity: bravo ;-) .. i was afk for a few .. |
| 23:13.24 | rraindown | hacker_kid, with the path to your own initrd of course :-P |
| 23:13.38 | hacker_kid | yeah i figured, im looking up what it is now |
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| 23:16.47 | mbent_ | hi all. I have a synaptics touch pad. I've recently updated my install which upgraded X.org. Now, my touch pad works, however, any changes to the configuration, and it does not retain it. On logout/reboot, it just goes back to default. Anyone have any idea how to force save these settings? |
| 23:16.50 | yoh | is there an IRC room for alioth admins? |
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| 23:19.28 | etchPERSN | wonders what a synaptics touchpad is |
| 23:19.46 | Eulex | most touchpads are synaptics ones |
| 23:21.18 | mbent_ | and it doesn't like me :( |
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| 23:22.12 | helper | hey got problem debian system when i install it, i press shutdown i do restart, shutdown doesn't work any issue! |
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| 23:22.28 | balsagoth | hi ppl. anyone knows why i have this message now: "eth1: no link during initialization". I installed 2.6.29-1-amd64 kernel on my debian-testing, but because nvidia is not working with this kernel i back to 2.6.26-2-amd64. Now i only have intenert on 2.6.29-1. Other kernels, include one custom compiled is giving me that message |
| 23:22.49 | EagleScreen | hi helper |
| 23:23.02 | helper | hey EagleScreen |
| 23:23.07 | EagleScreen | didn't it begin when you installed ndistwrapper? |
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| 23:23.18 | helper | EagleScreen yes |
| 23:23.30 | EagleScreen | did you try to remove nidstwrapper? |
| 23:23.41 | helper | EagleScreen yes same |
| 23:23.44 | Storst | ok |
| 23:23.48 | Storst | in http://pastebin.com/d26e1a172 , there is crontab /tmp/crontab and crontab -l >/tmp/crontab |
| 23:23.54 | Storst | what are they used for |
| 23:24.23 | Storst | this way of setting a cronjob as a user works but im not sure what those 2 lines are used |
| 23:24.33 | Storst | for |
| 23:24.50 | EagleScreen | helper: you may have to edit what must the system do when it goes to runlevel 0, I cannot remeber the configuration files for that |
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| 23:25.13 | EagleScreen | anybody knows? |
| 23:26.03 | helper | hope someone can help me with this issue i am sure problem in configuration file if someone knows path! |
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| 23:29.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbent_, so how do you make 'any changes to the configuration' |
| 23:29.42 | justin_ | i just installed xfce4 how can i have it load on boot instead of having to start it by startxfce4 |
| 23:29.43 | mbent_ | CutMeOwnThroat, using the synclient command line utility, or the gsynaptics applet |
| 23:30.14 | mbent_ | CutMeOwnThroat, and it works.... but as soon as i restart X, it loses my changes |
| 23:30.21 | rraindown | justin, install a login manager such as gdm |
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| 23:30.46 | justin_ | rraindown: thanks |
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| 23:31.35 | apol | what do i have to do to mount usb devices from the UI? do i hve to change /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi? |
| 23:31.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbent_, well, of course... change xorg.conf or put the synclient stuff in your .xinitrc |
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| 23:32.13 | mbent_ | mbent_, holy moly! i didn't realise but my xorg only has 3 lines in it since the last upgrade |
| 23:32.19 | rraindown | justin, xdm and slim are 2 others you may want to check out |
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| 23:33.27 | plb_ | question, I've just done a fresh install of squeeze and installed proprietary ati drivers off the website...x loads up fine but no gl apps seem to work...fgl_glxgears I just get a blank window |
| 23:33.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbent_, xorg in lenny doesn't need xorg.conf anymore - everything is (or should be) autodetected |
| 23:34.21 | mbent_ | CutMeOwnThroat, interesting. i also noticed this morning that im using the nv drivers instead of the nvidia drivers |
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| 23:34.43 | mbent_ | CutMeOwnThroat, so whats the normal way to configure things now? |
| 23:35.12 | balsagoth | can anyone point me some help |
| 23:35.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | plb_, /msg dpkg ati (then msg about the <keyword> that's relevant for you - so probably /msg dpkg fglrx ) |
| 23:36.11 | plb_ | thanks |
| 23:36.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | plb_, there's packages that will dl/install the proprietary stuff - don't just run something from a website |
| 23:37.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | (althought it should probably have worked) |
| 23:37.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | balsagoth, google? :) |
| 23:38.00 | rraindown | mbent_, back up your old xorg.conf if its worth saving and try dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 23:38.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | balsagoth, I think you might have quoted an error unrelated to your problem, though |
| 23:38.17 | mbent_ | rraindown, i tried that... it generates the same 3 line file |
| 23:38.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | balsagoth, can you bring the device up with ifup or ifconfig after boot? |
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| 23:39.20 | rraindown | mbent_, what about X -configure any luck with that? |
| 23:39.22 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnTh ifup give me same message |
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| 23:39.43 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnTh i googled but i cant found anything |
| 23:39.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
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| 23:40.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.google.com/search?q=%22no%20link%20during%20initialization%22 |
| 23:40.30 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnTh and is very weird problem. other old kernels should work |
| 23:40.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I get 2000 hits |
| 23:40.36 | mbent_ | rraindown, i haven't tried that, because im using Xchat on X, :P but i could try that |
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| 23:41.13 | mbent_ | i'd still like to know, if xorg autodetects everything now, how do i make changes to the settings? |
| 23:41.21 | mbent_ | is the xorg.conf still the normal way? |
| 23:41.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbent_, you *can* still have xorg.conf, you just don't/shouldn't need to |
| 23:41.57 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnTh i read that stuff, but isn't te same problem |
| 23:42.01 | etchPERSN | 2000 hits.... whoaaaa :-) |
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| 23:42.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | balsagoth, seems the hits are different ones... |
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| 23:42.28 | naiv | i did open a virtual session with xvfb, how would i open it into a window in my normal session ? xvncviewer ? xnest ? xephyr ? |
| 23:42.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | etchPERSN, it's not bad on a phrase |
| 23:42.52 | balsagoth | because i have my interface working well with last kernel |
| 23:43.46 | mbent_ | CutMeOwnThroat, rraindown, thanks for your help guys... im going to have a bit more of a play and get this xorg.conf right |
| 23:44.22 | rraindown | mbent_, good luck :) |
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| 23:44.41 | mbent_ | rraindown, thanks hehe |
| 23:44.44 | mbent_ | bye |
| 23:45.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | balsagoth, so what command gives you that error? |
| 23:45.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still kinda feel that this is not the error message that will lead to the cause |
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| 23:47.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | naiv, vnc? |
| 23:47.13 | balsagoth | i'm trying to compile another kernel 2.6.28-9 with 2.6.29-1 config. |
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| 23:47.55 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnTh during bot and if i try to ifup eth1 |
| 23:47.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | balsagoth, oh, did you compile that, or just take the debian one? |
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| 23:48.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | balsagoth, I'm "cut[tab]" for the lazy typer, btw |
| 23:48.34 | balsagoth | 2.6.29-1 is from debian and this one i have no errors |
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| 23:48.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | balsagoth, and ifconfig eth0 up? |
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| 23:50.26 | BCM43 | whenever my laptop disconnects from the wall it goes into standby |
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| 23:50.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2.6.29-1?! |
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| 23:51.22 | etchPERSN | bcm43 no battery I guess ? |
| 23:52.00 | apol | what do i have to do to mount usb devices from the UI? do i hve to change /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi? |
| 23:52.04 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnTh, give same message |
| 23:52.07 | BCM43 | etchPERSN: i am on batter right now. Tt comes back up fine. |
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| 23:52.31 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnTh, yes the lastest form sid |
| 23:53.12 | etchPERSN | apol errr... how about putting a new icon on your screen ? |
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| 23:53.57 | apol | etchPERSN: a new icon? |
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| 23:54.33 | apol | etchPERSN: I'm getting a hal error message that's saying it's denied by policy |
| 23:54.40 | apol | and I don't have a policy for that |
| 23:54.44 | apol | of course -.- |
| 23:55.16 | etchPERSN | dam that Hal... I thought they turned him off in 2001 :-) |
| 23:55.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, left |
| 23:55.39 | apol | erm... whatever etchPERSN -.- |
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| 23:56.03 | rraindown | apol, look in /etc/group and make sure you're a member of plugdev group |
| 23:56.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hal... unlucky name that... remember odyssey 2000 |
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| 23:56.36 | apol | rraindown: i'm already |
| 23:56.53 | apol | i could mount these devices until some recent updates i suppose :/ |
| 23:57.09 | etchPERSN | odd if you ask me, apol |
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| 23:57.51 | etchPERSN | apol... have you tried just a standard mount, from terminal ? |
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| 23:58.36 | apol | yes, doesn't work either, unless i'm root |
| 23:58.45 | apol | but I need write privileges from the user |
| 23:59.00 | etchPERSN | apol.. usb thingies get weird sometimes if you have more than one, especially |
| 23:59.15 | apol | do you know a way to mount it with my user as a random user (being root)? |
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| 23:59.43 | etchPERSN | ummm... you change to root, set it up, then go back to user ? |
