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| 00:00.35 | rraindown | apol, mount it and chown the directory you mounted it in to your regular user |
| 00:00.51 | apol | rraindown: is that safe? |
| 00:00.54 | apol | ok will do |
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| 00:01.11 | apol | uhm... should i report this policykit issue as a bug or something? |
| 00:01.22 | etchPERSN | doesnt use user logins for reasons like this :-) |
| 00:01.37 | apol | (it is actually a pitty to get that error and not to know what to do) |
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| 00:03.01 | apol | rraindown: can't do that |
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| 00:03.01 | rraindown | apol, which part - mounting or chowning? |
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| 00:03.38 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry but my other irc client not show your complete nick |
| 00:03.39 | apol | rraindown: chown'ing |
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| 00:03.54 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnThroat: now back to irssi |
| 00:03.56 | rraindown | hmmmm |
| 00:03.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | balsagoth, heh, strange they normally all do :) |
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| 00:04.16 | aleij | phps someone.. i added a line to my .bash_profile to open a X automatically, it works for root, but not for the user even though it can open X with the normal startx. |
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| 00:04.59 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah many things going strange here :D |
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| 00:05.01 | aleij | is not a problem of permissions to read .bash_profile and manually the user can open X |
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| 00:05.06 | rraindown | apol, whats the error |
| 00:05.16 | BCM43 | how do i install alsaconf? |
| 00:05.19 | aleij | what else should i check? |
| 00:05.32 | apol | rraindown: operation not permitted |
| 00:05.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | balsagoth, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 and http://www.google.com/search?q=%22no%20link%20during%20initialization%22%20site:bugs.debian.org |
| 00:06.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | pity it's such a huge list :) |
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| 00:06.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | balsagoth, also, your custom 2.6.29 kernel might have overwritten something or you changed some configuration because of that? sounds kind of unlikely, still... |
| 00:07.00 | rraindown | apol, and you ran chown prior to mounting? |
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| 00:07.59 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnThroat: that kernel 2.6.26-2 and all other old kernels are always good for me, since i isntall 2.6.29-1 to have ext4 |
| 00:08.01 | apol | rraindown: yup but it's changed when mounting xD |
| 00:08.19 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnThroat: 2.6.29-1 is from debian packages, sid |
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| 00:09.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | balsagoth, huh? why don't I see that |
| 00:09.56 | rraindown | apol, so it's changed to your user? |
| 00:09.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-image-2.6.29-1 |
| 00:09.57 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-image-2.6.29-1 -- |
| 00:10.13 | abrotman | you need an arch |
| 00:10.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 00:10.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | just figured |
| 00:10.24 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.29-1-686 |
| 00:10.25 | judd | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.29-1-686 -- sid: 2.6.29-2 |
| 00:10.34 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, i'm now compiling new kernel with config from 2.6.29-1 |
| 00:10.46 | apol | rraindown: it's changed to root, which is who mounted it actually |
| 00:11.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | but why doesn't "apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.29" find it for me - isn't it enough to have deb-src for testing/sid/experimental for apt to show me the existence of packages? |
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| 00:12.16 | rraindown | apol, hmmm so still not write access for your user :-/ |
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| 00:12.26 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnThroat: why you dont use apt-pinning? :) |
| 00:12.37 | apol | right |
| 00:12.53 | apol | rraindown: http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sls-archives/archives-suse-linux/archives-64bit-environments/382449-hal-storage-mount-removable-no-action-result.html |
| 00:13.00 | apol | this looks like the error i'm having |
| 00:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 00:13.12 | apol | but it's still not working |
| 00:13.28 | apol | (well, I don't care about ntfs) |
| 00:13.38 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: apt-cache search doesn't do deb-src sources |
| 00:13.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | balsagoth, I think I don't trust it :) |
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| 00:15.00 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnThroat: currently i'm not in position to said that i trust |
| 00:15.13 | balsagoth | :) |
| 00:15.23 | rraindown | apol, are you running squeeze |
| 00:15.37 | apol | sure xD |
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| 00:15.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | apropos bugs - has anyone ever tried out pdfcube... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464831 |
| 00:16.01 | apol | well, don't worry rraindown, I'll try to sort it out |
| 00:16.05 | apol | thanks for the help :) |
| 00:16.46 | apol | rraindown: did it!!! :D |
| 00:16.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Feb. 2008 - 1 year |
| 00:17.24 | rraindown | apol, sweet, what did you do? |
| 00:17.39 | rraindown | .O(killed that policykit crap) |
| 00:18.07 | apol | rraindown: I added few lines to /etc/PolicyKit/PolicyKit.conf |
| 00:18.13 | apol | rraindown: I'll pastebin it for you |
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| 00:18.35 | rraindown | apol, thanks! I'll need it for when i upgrade to squeeze |
| 00:18.51 | apol | :) |
| 00:19.51 | apol | rraindown: http://pastebin.com/m3144f010 |
| 00:20.00 | apol | i only added the matches part |
| 00:20.17 | apol | of course that lets any user to mount the removable devices, it should be tweaked for production |
| 00:20.21 | apol | but it's ok for my laptop |
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| 00:22.30 | rraindown | apol, i bet that error will be a showstopper for a lot of people unless their distro configures beforehand for them |
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| 00:23.14 | BCM43 | any idea why "$yes > /dev/audio" would output "device or resource busy" but "$lsof /dev/audio" returns nothing? |
| 00:23.37 | apol | rraindown: yup, its one of the problems of compulsive layering :P |
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| 00:24.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | BCM43, because something is using e.g. /dev/snd/pcm* ? |
| 00:25.18 | BCM43 | CutMeOwnThroat: how could i check? |
| 00:25.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | "lsof /dev/snd/pcm*"? |
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| 00:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | transfer! |
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| 00:27.11 | Seneyarau | hey guys, does kopete in experimental support msn webcam video? |
| 00:27.32 | blackgraz | ' |
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| 00:28.10 | apol | Seneyarau: you should go to #kde for that I think |
| 00:28.29 | apol | but for what I know, its not possible now, because of some refactoring |
| 00:28.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdyti Seneyarau |
| 00:28.32 | dpkg | Why don't you just try it, Seneyarau? |
| 00:28.49 | apol | Seneyarau: #kopete is full of nice people actually ^^ |
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| 00:30.06 | Seneyarau | thanks apol |
| 00:30.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | apol, lemme guess, you're there? :) |
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| 00:30.31 | robd | Hey guys |
| 00:30.51 | apol | CutMeOwnThroat: you got me xD |
| 00:30.57 | BCM43 | CutMeOwnThroat: that worked, thanks a lot. |
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| 00:31.00 | robd | If I need smux support on net-snmpd what can I do? |
| 00:31.09 | robd | I'd very much like to continue to use official Debian packages |
| 00:31.17 | robd | At the moment all my systems are still on Etch |
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| 00:31.28 | funkyHat | I'm upgrading to lenny and it wants to install gtk and a bunch of other X related stuff because I've got php5-imagick installed, is there a way around that? |
| 00:32.23 | pipeline | funkyHat: not really worth avoiding, is it ? |
| 00:32.50 | Seneyarau | funkyHat, try --without-recommends with aptitude |
| 00:33.07 | funkyHat | Seneyarau: it's depends not recommends |
| 00:33.33 | funkyHat | pipeline: I guess it's not that big a deal, just feels like a waste |
| 00:34.27 | funkyHat | Overall it's going to be using an extra 186MB after the upgrade |
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| 00:35.58 | rraindown | funkyHat, is the gtk and x stuff recommends suggestions or depends? |
| 00:36.07 | rraindown | if that makes any sense without punctuation |
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| 00:39.19 | abrotman | funkyHat: those are X libs .. not X itself |
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| 00:40.04 | funkyHat | rraindown: depends. libmagick10 depends on libcairo and libgtk2.0-0. I haven't looked through all the other things that are being pulled in to satisfy deps |
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| 00:41.29 | funkyHat | abrotman: yeah I know, is libgtk2 actually necessary for php5-imagick to work though? I guess that's what I'm getting at |
| 00:41.41 | abrotman | funkyHat: i'd guess there's been a bug filed already |
| 00:41.49 | githogori | Am I the only one who cannot get X, kde, gnome, etc. to install on latest unstable? Willing to do anything to help fix this. |
| 00:42.25 | abrotman | githogori: start with one of them .. |
| 00:42.36 | abrotman | why does aptitude install xorg fail ? |
| 00:42.49 | rraindown | funkyHat, by default lenny installs recommends and suggestions i think, so one thing you can try is adding 2 lines to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 00:43.05 | rraindown | APT::Install-Recommends "0"; |
| 00:43.14 | abrotman | rraindown: it's a depend .. not a recommend |
| 00:43.23 | rraindown | APT::Install-Suggests "0"; |
| 00:43.37 | rraindown | abrotman, ok, didn't know, thanks for the correction |
| 00:43.58 | abrotman | he told you that about 10 lines up |
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| 00:44.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | pah, reading! |
| 00:44.38 | githogori | abrotman: Is it a wide problem or am I the only one? I'll start with X |
| 00:45.00 | abrotman | githogori: i haven't seen your error .. no clue |
| 00:45.03 | funkyHat | abrotman: there are no bugs filed against the package libmagick10 at all, or would it be filed somewhere else? |
| 00:45.17 | abrotman | funkyHat: possibly one of the associated packages |
| 00:45.29 | abrotman | listed at the top of the page |
| 00:46.33 | funkyHat | abrotman: found it: #470671 |
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| 00:47.33 | abrotman | and 474993 apparently |
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| 00:48.10 | githogori | abrotman: Did "apt-get dist-upgrade" got a zillion broken packages. |
| 00:48.26 | githogori | abrotman: been doing this for years. |
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| 00:50.02 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 00:50.02 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 00:50.10 | dkr | instead of "no java plugin", iceweasel tries to fetch the .class file if you have an <applet, gets a 404 and quietly does nothing. quite annoying |
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| 00:50.49 | dfss | does anybody use jigdo ? i have a prbolem about it. |
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| 00:51.47 | abrotman | just ask |
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| 00:52.48 | dfss | it gives this error http://pastebin.com/d1777e339 |
| 00:53.26 | dfss | i ve been downloading for 2 days.. what should i do? |
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| 00:57.23 | PiousMinion | Anyone know of any problems with booting the lenny i386 kernel in qemu? I'm getting "Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed". |
| 00:57.27 | dfss | abrotman , do you have any idea? |
| 00:57.28 | abrotman | dfss: use the netinst instead ? |
| 00:57.34 | abrotman | dfss: look for updated jigdo images |
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| 00:58.22 | jetscreamer | why jigdo over torrent, the debian choice i mean |
| 00:58.30 | dfss | abrotman i looked for updated jidgo images but still same |
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| 00:59.21 | jetscreamer | translation: why did debian choose jigdo instead of just torrents |
| 00:59.22 | hacker_kid | woot! finally got my graphics card working. lenny is great but i gotta stick to etchnhalf for now. who can i talk to about making a request? in lenny the wizard for reconfiguring xserver-xorg doesnt give you all the options which makes it difficult |
| 00:59.42 | jetscreamer | it autodetecs it afaik |
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| 01:00.02 | smacnay | Is xorg delayed in sid right now - I see a whole slew of xorg components that are waiting for kbd and mouse xorg packages. |
| 01:00.06 | dfss | abrotman , when i try to use netinst i m having a proble about dhcp. |
| 01:00.09 | jetscreamer | you can just write yourself a xorg.conf you like, or use your etch.5 one even |
| 01:00.32 | hacker_kid | jetscreamer, its not very good at autodetecting in my case |
| 01:00.40 | abrotman | dfss: do you think a DVD would fix your network ? |
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| 01:01.01 | dfss | abrotman ,? |
| 01:01.03 | jetscreamer | wonders why not just ftp instead of jigdo |
| 01:01.10 | hacker_kid | jetscreamer, but your saying that my xorg.conf from etch.5 will work in lenny without changing anything? |
| 01:01.10 | jetscreamer | in dfss's case |
| 01:01.16 | abrotman | dfss: what is wrong with your dhcp ? |
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| 01:01.52 | jetscreamer | hacker_kid: it should, you might not need the font sections and all, but the display adapter specific ones work the same |
| 01:01.59 | jetscreamer | and the monitor ones |
| 01:02.09 | dfss | abrotman , it says" network configuration couldn't completed, do you want to configure manually.." |
| 01:02.32 | abrotman | dfss: so what kind of network card do you have? |
| 01:02.48 | hacker_kid | jetscreamer, i will try it later, for now im happy with etchnalf :) |
| 01:02.54 | hacker_kid | i got sick of ubuntu lol |
| 01:03.09 | jetscreamer | i've had my xorg.conf since.. since... |
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| 01:03.16 | jetscreamer | long time |
| 01:03.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1986? |
| 01:03.27 | jetscreamer | not woody, but |
| 01:03.28 | hacker_kid | lol i think there is one line i have to delete, type1 something or another |
| 01:03.52 | jetscreamer | type1 went away... i got and EE in xorg.0.log about it the other day though |
| 01:03.58 | jetscreamer | so it's ignorable |
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| 01:04.05 | dfss | abrotman ,Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet |
| 01:04.15 | jetscreamer | iirc i don't still have my modules section |
| 01:04.16 | abrotman | dfss: i'd think that should work in lenny |
| 01:04.32 | jetscreamer | 8139too well supported (iirc it's the too) |
| 01:04.40 | hacker_kid | yeah, im just happy i finally got it all working. i got sick of applications i dont need being installed |
| 01:04.41 | jetscreamer | not getting a dhcp offer? |
| 01:05.32 | jetscreamer | hacker_kid: what you have to do in that case, is 'know thy metapackages' |
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| 01:05.39 | jetscreamer | !metapackage |
| 01:05.39 | dpkg | i heard metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 01:05.53 | GreedyB | Doing an initial install of debian and it seems to hang on configuring gconf... what could be causing that? |
| 01:06.29 | hacker_kid | jetscreamer, lol yeah. what i meant was that i was tired of ubuntu. cant remove much. you cant remove firefox, evolution mail, etc etc |
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| 01:06.39 | jetscreamer | huh |
| 01:06.43 | hacker_kid | debian is great when you dont have a nvidia graphics card XD |
| 01:06.50 | jetscreamer | i have nvidia |
| 01:06.56 | abrotman | don't buy nvidia trash .. problem solved |
| 01:06.56 | jetscreamer | and my xorg.conf |
| 01:06.59 | hacker_kid | pain in the butt isnt it |
| 01:07.02 | jetscreamer | nah |
| 01:07.05 | jetscreamer | not anymore |
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| 01:07.24 | jetscreamer | i like my nvidia |
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| 01:07.43 | jetscreamer | i bought one of the first cards with nvidia chip |
| 01:07.44 | hacker_kid | heh, been nothing but trouble for me |
| 01:07.53 | hacker_kid | i want my ati back :( |
| 01:07.53 | jetscreamer | been nvidia ever since |
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| 01:08.29 | PiousMinion | jetscreamer: so you have no experience to compare it with? sad |
| 01:08.42 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 01:08.51 | jetscreamer | no, i get enough |
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| 01:09.06 | jetscreamer | i put ati in some clients |
| 01:09.26 | jetscreamer | depends what the kid plays and who optimized for what |
| 01:10.45 | robd | Hey guys |
| 01:10.55 | jetscreamer | i picked up an old p4 from a client today.. i got my fx5200 back too.. and a 19" monitor.... just had to take it away |
| 01:10.58 | robd | Is there an easy way to install 32-bit libraries on an x86_64 system? |
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| 01:11.17 | robd | (i.e. the pam modules... libpam is pretty useless w/o a pam_unix.so that's also 32bit....) |
| 01:11.24 | jetscreamer | there's a 32bit environment of some sort available, but i don't know the details |
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| 01:11.34 | jetscreamer | or if it works or whatever |
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| 01:11.44 | robd | jetscreamer: ia32-libs? |
| 01:11.46 | jetscreamer | i read about it a few days ago |
| 01:11.48 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 01:11.58 | robd | anyone else have input? |
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| 01:13.25 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=debian+amd64+32bit&restrict=linux |
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| 01:13.26 | smacnay | Is there a page that lists current package upgrade snafus? Like my xorg holdup? |
| 01:13.28 | WindowsXP_Pro | When there is something really long you say "Too long; didn't read", shortened to "tl;dr". Examples of tl;dr are books, the "man" command, textbooks, and game manuals. Linux documentation is "tl;dr" |
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| 01:14.01 | jetscreamer | your point? i didn't read it eitehr, cept when i had to |
| 01:14.06 | smacnay | WindowsXP_Pro: sorry, tl:dr |
| 01:14.07 | jetscreamer | !op WindowsXP_Pro troll |
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| 01:14.14 | jetscreamer | !ops WindowsXP_Pro troll |
| 01:14.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jetscreamer complains about: WindowsXP_Pro troll |
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| 01:15.24 | jetscreamer | smacnay: yes... somethingsomething/ |
| 01:15.26 | jetscreamer | err |
| 01:15.51 | jetscreamer | smacnay: yes... somethingsomething/X-StrikeForce/current-xorg-problems |
| 01:15.57 | jetscreamer | seriously |
| 01:15.58 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnThroat: problem solved. plug ethernet card and disable onboard ethernet. odd but for now solved. latter i try to resolve in a wise way :) |
| 01:16.09 | GreedyB | What could be causing gconf2 to freeze when I do my install of debian? |
| 01:16.13 | balsagoth | CutMeOwnThroat: anyway, thanks for your help. |
| 01:16.14 | gravity | smacnay: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/CurrentProblemsInUnstable |
| 01:16.21 | jetscreamer | i don't have access to the exact url but it's on the x strike.. thanks |
| 01:16.36 | smacnay | thank you |
| 01:16.56 | Riesh | On my debian/sid-amd64 system i try to install the nvidia driver; before i did this by 'apt-get install nvidia-glx'. But this now says: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-180.44 but it is not installable. |
| 01:17.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | balsagoth, heh :) "teh hradwhare solushun" |
| 01:17.12 | Riesh | would like to have the latest driver though |
| 01:17.28 | smacnay | Riesh: I just went through this today. |
| 01:17.40 | Riesh | smacnay: tell me! |
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| 01:18.12 | Riesh | Riesh: please :-) |
| 01:18.35 | smacnay | Riesh: I needed to remove /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel, run m-a a-i nvidia, modprobe -r nvidia, depmod, restart X/gdm. |
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| 01:19.31 | smacnay | Riesh: my build of the new driver didn't work until I removed the old modules/nvidia-kernel dir. Probably something was not cleaned up and the new build kept failing. |
| 01:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !chroot 32bit |
| 01:19.48 | dpkg | To setup a 32 bit chroot check http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205, or http://ornellas.apanela.com/dokuwiki/pub:multiarch |
| 01:20.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno if that's outdated... if you name all libraries right... |
| 01:20.22 | jetscreamer | bbl |
| 01:20.24 | smacnay | Riesh: You can kill X and do this all from console - use a console irc client if you need to come back for help (irssi). |
| 01:20.31 | Wyzard | smacnay: I've noticed that too... I've gotten in the habit of always removing the modules/whatever dir before rebuilding a module with m-a |
| 01:20.46 | smacnay | Wyzard: this was my first time with this problem. |
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| 01:21.21 | Riesh | smacnay: Hmmm ... i get "/lib/modules/2.6.29-1-amd64/build/include/linux/kernel.h" when i try to run the nvidia installer from console ... although i have installed the header files for the 2.6.29 kernel |
| 01:21.28 | smacnay | Riesh: after you build the module, aptitude safe-upgrade should install/update the new nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev |
| 01:21.46 | Riesh | i mean /lib/modules/2.6.29-1-amd64/build/include/linux/kernel.h does not exists |
| 01:21.48 | smacnay | Riesh: ah - the nvidia driver will not install in 2.6.29 |
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| 01:22.22 | smacnay | You could build your own kernel but it will not install with a .deb kernel and .deb kernel-headers. |
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| 01:22.40 | Riesh | but nvidia-kernel-source is from Version: 173.14.09-5 |
| 01:23.37 | Wyzard | smacnay: I'm running 2.6.29 with nvidia right now |
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| 01:24.23 | Wyzard | smacnay: There was a bug with building out-of-tree modules of any sort (not just nvidia) on i386, but it's been fixed by updated 2.6.29 packages (in sid; dunno if they're in squeeze yet) |
| 01:24.50 | Riesh | Wyzard: .. i am running amd64 |
| 01:25.05 | Wyzard | then the bug I mentioned is not applicable |
| 01:25.16 | Wyzard | I am running amd64 too, and using nvidia on 2.6.29 |
| 01:25.28 | Wyzard | in sid |
| 01:25.32 | Riesh | Wyzard: but you have the latest driver? |
| 01:25.47 | Riesh | 180.44 ? |
| 01:25.54 | Wyzard | 180.44-2+2.6.29-2 |
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| 01:26.18 | smacnay | Wyzard: really, hadn't heard that. I might try it. |
| 01:26.19 | Riesh | Wyzard: how you did that ? |
| 01:26.46 | smacnay | Wyzard: but, back to the previous issue, I did need to remove the .../modules/nvidia-kernel/ dir for success. |
| 01:26.52 | Wyzard | Riesh: I built it with m-a on Tuesday when the new nvidia packages appeared in sid |
| 01:27.06 | smacnay | Wyzard: cool |
| 01:27.32 | Wyzard | and I did have to remove /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel before rebuilding, like smacnay did |
| 01:27.47 | Wyzard | (I tried to build and it failed, then I removed that directory and tried again, and it succeeded) |
| 01:28.42 | Riesh | Mmmm ... ok ok ... but for this which package i should install? ... because i do not see version 180.44 anywhere in apt-cache search nvidia |
| 01:28.43 | Wyzard | smacnay: The i386-specific problem was a packaging error, Makefile_32.cpu missing from the headers package |
| 01:29.01 | smacnay | Wyzard: has that been addressed? |
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| 01:29.14 | smacnay | Riesh: you need to make that package. |
| 01:29.28 | Wyzard | smacnay: I ran into that when trying to build VMware modules for 2.6.29 on my i386 laptop, but the kernel package has been fixed and I successfully built the VMware modules yesterday |
| 01:29.29 | Riesh | yes ... but from which source package ? |
| 01:29.50 | smacnay | Riesh: you mean the nvidia-kernel-2.6.2x..? |
| 01:29.55 | smacnay | Wyzard: thanks for the info |
| 01:30.11 | smacnay | Riesh: ok, remove /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel |
| 01:30.12 | Riesh | aaaaah ... ok ok ... let me try :-) ... thanks! |
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| 01:31.41 | Riesh | apt-cache show nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 shows Version: 173.14.09+3+lenny1 ....... how is that possible? |
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| 01:32.17 | abrotman | what's worng with that ? |
| 01:32.49 | smacnay | Riesh: now, run m-a a-i nvidia |
| 01:33.17 | smacnay | Riesh: that will be the one you built already when you installed for the 173 version driver. |
| 01:33.49 | Wyzard | Riesh: That's a metapackage that depends on the latest pre-built nvidia-kernel package, for upgrade purposes |
| 01:34.05 | Wyzard | Riesh: but pre-built modules are only provided for stable releases |
| 01:34.10 | Riesh | But i rather would like to have 180.44 instead of Version: 173.14.09+3+lenny1 ... |
| 01:35.02 | Wyzard | Riesh: so rather than using the pre-built nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64 from lenny, you build yourself an nvidia-kernel-2.6.29-1-amd64 using m-a |
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| 01:37.13 | Riesh | Wyzard: mmm OK, but still it dosen't explain to me why your nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 points to an 180.44 version and mine to an 173.14.09+3+lenny1 version |
| 01:37.21 | Wyzard | Riesh: It doesn't |
| 01:37.38 | Wyzard | nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 points to 173.14.09+3+lenny1 on my system too |
| 01:38.06 | Riesh | Wyzard: OK, how can i check later which version it is? |
| 01:38.19 | Wyzard | but I don't have that package installed; it's a convenience package for helping with upgrades from one stable release to the next, and doesn't actually contain any software |
| 01:38.31 | Wyzard | You don't need to install nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 |
| 01:39.03 | Riesh | Ah ... so which i do need to install then ? .... nvidia-kernel-common? |
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| 01:41.04 | smacnay | Riesh: yes |
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| 01:41.35 | smacnay | Riesh: nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 01:41.44 | skiix | dont you hate when your fucking a girl in the ass and she is like "stop! stop! I'm only 13"..just happened to me. That is the last time I fuck my sister. |
| 01:41.54 | plb_ | Alright, so I installed squeeze and fglrx from the repos and still cannot get gl apps working |
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| 01:42.06 | Riesh | OK OK installing that one ... Thanks a lot guys .... going in compile mode now :-) |
| 01:42.18 | maher | how do i get evince to open the file selection in the current pwd, not ~? |
| 01:42.39 | Xenguy | skiix: bye |
| 01:43.50 | smacnay | Anyone using sid have a pile of xserver-xorg packages waiting to install? Or am I just going through the pains of migrating from testing to sid? |
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| 01:44.45 | martian67 | smacnay, stuff like that is updated constantly |
| 01:46.03 | smacnay | martian67: I just find it odd that the xserver-xorg-input-kbd and -mouse is holding stuff up. |
| 01:46.21 | Arrowmaster | so i noticed my squeeze box was still using sysklogd, probably because it started as a lenny box back when lenny was testing before the switch to rsyslog, aptitude looks like it will uninstall both sysklogd and klogd if i install rsyslogd but reading the rsyslog site i see mention of running it together with klogd, what does a fresh lenny install do? |
| 01:46.22 | Wyzard | smacnay: xorg recently transitioned from 7.3 to 7.4 in sid, but that's all been resolved by now (both i386 and amd64) |
| 01:46.45 | smacnay | Wyzard: hmmm, not for my machine, it appears. |
| 01:46.56 | Wyzard | I had a bunch of xorg packages held back by unsatisified dependencies a few days ago, but not anymore |
| 01:48.07 | smacnay | Wyzard: if I update xserver-xorg, I see that all of the "input" packages except evdev get removed for good. |
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| 01:49.15 | rraindown | Arrowmaster, rsyslog only |
| 01:49.23 | Arrowmaster | thanks |
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| 01:49.40 | Wyzard | smacnay: I've read that the new xorg actually uses evdev by default for input devices, so most of the other drivers are basically deprecated; xserver-xorg-input-all only depends on evdev, synaptics, and wacom now |
| 01:49.52 | plb_ | Anyone on squeeze have issues with fglrx, as in gl apps don't work? |
| 01:49.59 | smacnay | Wyzard: ah, that would explain it. |
| 01:50.03 | Arrowmaster | guessing it should be perty safe to just let aptitude uninstall sysklogd and klogd then install rsyslogd all at once |
| 01:50.48 | Wyzard | smacnay: However, aptitude doesn't remove my xserver-xorg-input-kbd, etc. because they provide: xserver-xorg-input-4, and xserver-xorg depends on "xserver-xorg-input-all | xserver-xorg-input-4", so packages providing xserver-xorg-input-4 are kept as dependencies even though they're not strictly needed |
| 01:50.54 | smacnay | Wyzard: if I update, I lose both the wacom and synaptics package. |
| 01:51.04 | Wyzard | (Actually, I should probably remove them now that you've pointed that out) |
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| 01:51.56 | Wyzard | A few days ago the input-all package was blocked because it depended on newer synaptics and wacom packages which weren't available yet, but that's no longer the case |
| 01:52.04 | smacnay | Wyzard: so those are depreceated as wel? |
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| 01:54.44 | Wyzard | Apparently they aren't, if xserver-xorg-input-all still depends on them along with evdev |
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| 01:57.53 | smacnay | Wyzard: I might just remove the -input-all package and see. For most desktops, only kbd and mouse isneeded? |
| 01:57.58 | Taram | moin |
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| 01:59.05 | Taram | I am new to debian....some day ago I switched form lenny to squeez....was that good...or would it been better to wait |
| 01:59.24 | maher | Taram: it would have been better to stick with lenny |
| 01:59.52 | Taram | hm...maher....why? |
| 02:00.18 | Taram | if I now change the source list back to lenny ...will I run in problems? |
| 02:00.46 | pickcoder | that's an even worse idea. :) |
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| 02:01.14 | Taram | hm...is there any way to downgrade? |
| 02:01.17 | Wyzard | smacnay: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging |
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| 02:02.05 | Taram | moin streuner_ |
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| 02:02.47 | maher | Taram: not really |
| 02:02.55 | pickcoder | !tell Taram about downgrade |
| 02:03.04 | Wyzard | smacnay: That's where my understanding of the new xorg 7.4 evdev stuff comes from |
| 02:03.15 | smacnay | Wyzard: thanks |
| 02:03.25 | gravity | Aw crap, they wrote one too? |
| 02:03.28 | Taram | maher you said it would have been better to stay in lenny...but you didn't gave me a reason |
| 02:03.29 | gravity | I wish I'd known about that. |
| 02:03.46 | Wyzard | gravity: You wrote one too? |
| 02:03.50 | Wyzard | I wouldn't mind reading it as well |
| 02:03.50 | maher | Taram: lenny is stable - it doesn't break at random as they dump new stuff into it |
| 02:04.01 | gravity | Wyzard: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 02:04.10 | gravity | It's still in the draft stages, but it's almost done |
| 02:04.15 | maher | Taram: squeeze is testing - they dump new stuff in to it on a regular basis |
| 02:04.22 | Wyzard | cool, thanks |
| 02:04.39 | gravity | adds that arch page to the see also section |
| 02:04.54 | Wyzard | The evdev transition caused scrolling and tap-to-click to stop working on my laptop's touchpad, and I'm not sure what's the "correct" way to re-enable them |
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| 02:05.07 | Wyzard | (I have no xorg.conf on the laptop; those features used to be enabled by default) |
| 02:05.28 | Taram | hm...uptodate is not bad maher...cf. sidux |
| 02:05.43 | Taram | thx dpkg |
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| 02:06.04 | gravity | Wyzard: That's totally separate actually. |
| 02:06.23 | gravity | Wyzard: It's just an update to the synaptics driver that did it. They just happened to come together. |
| 02:06.34 | Wyzard | hmm, ok |
| 02:06.40 | gravity | Wyzard: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/CurrentProblemsInUnstable |
| 02:06.43 | jaggz-1 | something changed all my fonts to be teeny |
| 02:06.46 | Taram | how....is going 9.81 m/s² ....gravity... |
| 02:06.59 | gravity | Wyzard: That page mentions the problem and links to a bug report where you can find the solution. |
| 02:07.09 | Wyzard | but I did find an .fdi file for synaptics somewhere in /usr/share that seemed to have options for controlling those touchpad features, so it seems that the synaptics driver is configured via HAL rather than xorg.conf now |
| 02:07.14 | gravity | There'll be a NEWS.Debian entry in the next synaptics upload with explanations for the fix |
| 02:07.25 | gravity | Wyzard: You can configure it either via xorg.conf or an fdi |
| 02:07.29 | gravity | Or synclient |
| 02:07.34 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 02:07.54 | gravity | votes for xorg.conf or synclient |
| 02:07.58 | Wyzard | yeah, I managed to re-enable tapping and two-finger scrolling via synclient, though it didn't have a way to enable right-edge scrolling |
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| 02:08.12 | Wyzard | I like not needing an xorg.conf :-) |
| 02:08.13 | gravity | Ah, that I'm not sure about off the top of my head. |
| 02:08.45 | Wyzard | Well, the synclient changes aren't persistent across restarts anyway, so I'm not too concerned about its limitations because I don't really use it |
| 02:08.57 | gravity | Wyzard: If you figure out how to enable it could you send a note to the bug report? I'll add the instructions to the NEWS.Debian entry. |
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| 02:10.02 | Wyzard | gravity: Somewhere on archwiki I read that the solution is to copy that .fdi file into /etc/hal and edit it there, then restart hald... just haven't tried it yet |
| 02:10.12 | gravity | hrm |
| 02:10.44 | gravity | I suppose I should be thankful that we're a step or two behind other distros on enabling this. We've gotten so much blowback on it as is. |
| 02:11.23 | Manoj | hey. It made me lose arrow keys (like, my up arrow became print screen) |
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| 02:11.24 | gravity | Wyzard: There's also a currently open bug on synaptics for edge scrolling, so it may simply be broken currently. |
| 02:11.26 | Wyzard | I don't mind; I think it's progress overall, and hiccups like this are what I get for choosing to run sid |
| 02:11.51 | Wyzard | now if 2.6.30 would just fix GEM on PAE systems so I can use it with my laptop's Intel GPU :-) |
| 02:11.52 | gravity | Manoj: Yeah, I wish we had a good solution other than to make people redo their xmodmap customizations :-\ |
| 02:12.17 | gravity | Wyzard: We're trying to just understand that class of bug. None of us in the XSF is really a kernel guy, so it's new territory |
| 02:12.20 | Manoj | gravity: the thing is, I did not _want_ to do xmodmap cusomization in the first place |
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| 02:12.34 | Manoj | I just bought this cordless keyboard, you know |
| 02:12.35 | gravity | I haven't built a kernel since 2.4.x, and I'm dreading doing it |
| 02:12.52 | Wyzard | What do you need to build a kernel for? |
| 02:12.53 | gravity | Manoj: Yeah, we should get that fixed. One very cool thing about hal is that we can do that now. |
| 02:12.59 | Manoj | gravity: hey, if you get the config right, the rest is a breeze |
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| 02:13.20 | gravity | Manoj: The problem is that everyone has to get the config right separately. With hal's fdi files we can get it right once and ship it to everyone. |
| 02:13.37 | Manoj | gravity: if I remove the xmodmap stuff, and restart X, hal does not seem to be doing the right thing |
| 02:13.44 | gravity | One reason why the InputHotplugGuide I wrote is still in draft form is because I haven't included that point in there yet. |
| 02:13.57 | gravity | Manoj: Yeah, we need to fix that. |
| 02:14.03 | Wyzard | FWIW, the only keyboard mapping change I noticed is that my "menu" key (between right Ctrl and Alt) actually pops up a context menu now |
| 02:14.16 | Wyzard | (but no longer functions as a Compose key, which is how I'd configured it in the GNOME keyboard settings) |
| 02:14.27 | Manoj | gravity: does hal need more data? or is there a bug? |
| 02:14.29 | gravity | Presumably gnome has to catch up. |
| 02:14.51 | Wyzard | yeah, maybe when 2.26 is packaged :-) |
| 02:15.04 | gravity | Manoj: I think we might be able to do it now, I'm not sure. I'm still trying to get a handle on the details. I've been away from X for a while, so I missed quite a bit. |
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| 02:15.44 | Manoj | gravity: well, with one of the peopel with a keyboard hal does not do the right thing with, I am willing to help |
| 02:15.55 | gravity | Manoj: If hal can't identify your keyboard, and it insists on sending weird combinations, we may be screwed. |
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| 02:16.10 | gravity | Manoj: Ok, I'll try and look in to it soon and let you know. |
| 02:16.18 | gravity | Manoj: We can presumably use the bug you already opened. |
| 02:16.35 | gravity | jcristau will probably be able to tell me why it is or isn't possible tomorrow :-) |
| 02:16.43 | Manoj | well, hal did not identify it (unless this is AT translation set 2, instead of logitech cordless comfort duo) |
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| 02:17.08 | smacnay | Wyzard: well, with a "full-upgrade" I lose some xserver-xorg-video modules (nv, vesa, fbdev, and vga to name a few). |
| 02:17.23 | Manoj | gravity: also, I am always willing to help iron out any issues you hit compiling your custom kernel :-) |
| 02:17.45 | gravity | Manoj: I may take you up on that. The Brave "New" World of 2.6 will be an adventure :-) |
| 02:17.58 | Manoj | heads back to the tivo. watching ER |
| 02:18.06 | Manoj | gravity: any time |
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| 02:20.04 | Wyzard | smacnay: I had xserver-xorg-video-{cyrix,tga,vga} removed due to nothing depending on them anymore |
| 02:20.15 | gravity | Those are all dead and removed from the archive |
| 02:20.28 | smacnay | gravity: even the ones I mentioned? |
| 02:20.29 | gravity | cyrix, tga, vga that is |
| 02:20.31 | Wyzard | smacnay: The nv, vesa,and fbdev drivers are still dependencies of xserver-xorg-video-all, so you shouldn't have them removed |
| 02:20.32 | gravity | smacnay: No, those aren't |
| 02:20.42 | abrotman | tga is gone? |
| 02:20.54 | smacnay | ok, thanks - I will wait for those updates to come out before I upgrade. |
| 02:20.58 | gravity | smacnay: We know there's been issues with aptitude handling the upgrade poorly |
| 02:21.12 | smacnay | gravity: should I be using apt-get? |
| 02:21.15 | gravity | abrotman: No, you're right |
| 02:21.27 | abrotman | eh ? |
| 02:21.28 | Wyzard | aptitude does need hand-holding sometimes |
| 02:21.30 | gravity | smacnay: No, just try to see what's going on. aptitude might need some hand holding |
| 02:21.45 | Riesh | Wyzard & smacnay: ... Thanks a lot! ... after some crash and error testing, i have nvidia running now... |
| 02:21.50 | gravity | cyrix, via, and vga |
| 02:21.51 | Wyzard | Riesh: cool, congrats |
| 02:21.59 | Riesh | thanks :-) |
| 02:22.03 | smacnay | gravity: from what I can determine - it is fairly convoluted. |
| 02:22.15 | gravity | We gives the people what they wants |
| 02:22.28 | smacnay | Riesh: good job - glad you got it up and running - I need to reboot into the 2.6.29 kernel to do a build as well. |
| 02:22.39 | Riesh | strange my xorg.conf was just empty in the beginning ... |
| 02:22.44 | abrotman | yay alphas live! |
| 02:22.53 | gravity | Yes... "strange"... |
| 02:23.01 | Wyzard | smacnay: If you're seeing changes that you don't expect (like things being removed that shouldn't be), aptitude's interactive mode is very useful for browsing through the dependency tree interactively to understand the situation better |
| 02:23.11 | gravity | needs to finish writing documentation and get back to ripping code out of the system |
| 02:23.28 | smacnay | Wyzard: interactive mode - let me man that |
| 02:23.36 | gravity | smacnay: Just run "aptitude" |
| 02:23.41 | Riesh | now after a dpkg-reconfigure it still only has a device section |
| 02:23.59 | gravity | I don't know why people don't use the interactive mode. I live and die by that thing. |
| 02:24.07 | smacnay | gravity: that is what I thought but "interactive mode" sounded so "module'istic'" |
| 02:24.14 | gravity | heh |
| 02:24.32 | Wyzard | gravity: as do I -- it's an essential tool for any sid user :-) |
| 02:25.06 | gravity | true dat |
| 02:25.52 | smacnay | gravity: wow - lots of individual packages that need to be "selected" for upgrade. Might be a rats nest of upgrades... |
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| 02:28.57 | Wyzard | smacnay: Typing 'U' in interactive mode will mark everything for upgrade using the same algorithm (I think) that "full-upgrade" does |
| 02:29.01 | ukatan | hi, I seem to be getting the sudo first-run warning page every time I run the command. any way to stop this from happening? |
| 02:29.18 | Wyzard | smacnay: You can make changes from there to resolve problems manually before proceeding |
| 02:29.37 | smacnay | Wow, seems I am still losing kbd, mouse, dummy, and vga. |
| 02:29.49 | Wyzard | That's OK; you don't need those |
| 02:29.59 | Wyzard | I had those removed too |
| 02:30.05 | gravity | dances |
| 02:30.15 | smacnay | Ah, ok then |
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| 02:37.00 | fbom | hey everyone. apt-get upgraded the other day and now steam will crash when i try running a game, and I can't access alsa even though i'm part of group audio. sound's broken unless i run as root. wondering if anyone might be having similar problems. i'm going through dpkg.log now |
| 02:37.19 | Wyzard | fbom: audio works fine for me, running up-to-date sid |
| 02:37.59 | fbom | btw i'm running up-to-date lenny |
| 02:38.08 | fbom | Wyzard: ok, good to know |
| 02:39.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, which of the obvious things did you check |
| 02:39.46 | fbom | whether i was member of group audio, checked if permissions were somehow reset on /dev/dsp - reran alsaconf, checked alsamixer, reinstalled moc... |
| 02:40.08 | fbom | now i'm looking through logs |
| 02:40.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it's all /dev/snd/* now |
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| 02:40.50 | Wyzard | gravity: btw, changing my GNOME "keyboard layout" setting from "generic 104-key PC" to "evdev-managed keyboard" fixed my problem with the Menu key no longer working as Compose despite being configured to do so |
| 02:41.12 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm, you're probably right..i'll check |
| 02:41.32 | Wyzard | I didn't know evdev was a keyboard layout option until I read http://yanfali.livejournal.com/59738.html just now |
| 02:41.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, strace -f -F -e open yourapp 2>&1 |grep /dev/ |
| 02:41.54 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: if it is, all the permissions are fine there, too |
| 02:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually |
| 02:42.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, is it all sound apps? |
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| 02:42.26 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: oh wtf, /dev/snd grp is now root |
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| 02:42.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
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| 02:42.48 | Wyzard | fbom: /dev/snd is a directory and it's normal for it to be owned by root |
| 02:42.58 | Wyzard | fbom: but the files inside should be group audio |
| 02:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, but that's root for me as well - ok with drwxr-xr-x |
| 02:43.04 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: Steam also crashes when i try to launch a game |
| 02:43.09 | fbom | Wyzard: ah, gotcha |
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| 02:43.24 | fbom | Wyzard: then everything's looking good permissions-wise |
| 02:43.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | steam? |
| 02:43.33 | gravity | Wyzard: Ah, excellent. |
| 02:43.36 | gravity | That's good to know |
| 02:43.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh |
| 02:43.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see |
| 02:43.44 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: Valve's game platform... |
| 02:43.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, or I don't |
| 02:43.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 02:44.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, how about other apps using sound? |
| 02:44.06 | smacnay | well, time to restart the computer in the new kernel and try to compile the nvidia driver. I see rarian-compat was installed - I hope it does what it is supposed to. |
| 02:44.26 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: right, if i run moc, FATAL_ERROR no sound driver found |
| 02:44.34 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: but root rocks it just fine |
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| 02:44.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | moc? |
| 02:45.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | dis guy is exclusively using programs I've never heard of |
| 02:45.03 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: and everything was working up until i rebooted (but i suspect it was the upgrade that did it some days ago) |
| 02:45.09 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: music on console |
| 02:45.18 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: lol |
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| 02:45.31 | Wyzard | The only "moc" I've heard of is a KDE/Qt developer tool |
| 02:45.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | do the strace with something like mpeg123 |
| 02:45.50 | fbom | Wyzard: if you're into console apps and you like music, checkout moc |
| 02:45.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... I have a moc that is... |
| 02:46.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | moc - generate Qt meta object support code |
| 02:46.06 | Riesh | moc - ncurses based console audio player |
| 02:46.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunny WHY I have that really |
| 02:46.28 | gravity | CutMeOwnThroat: If you've ever built an app that uses Qt, that's why. |
| 02:46.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, anyways, strace one of them like I wrote above |
| 02:46.41 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: on it |
| 02:46.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | gravity, yes... how could I? :) |
| 02:46.51 | gravity | ? |
| 02:47.30 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: Qt uses non-standard extensions to C++ and moc is (I think) the preprocessor that turns the non-standard extensions into generated standard C++ code for the compiler |
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| 02:47.38 | Firenight | hello |
| 02:47.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 02:48.53 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: lots of permission denied and no such file or directory in /dev/ |
| 02:49.26 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: like snd aload, aloadC0-8, controlC9, etc |
| 02:49.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | there you are |
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| 02:49.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe - how about ls -lad /dev |
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| 02:50.16 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: root root 755 |
| 02:50.32 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: wonder what did this? |
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| 02:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | -rwxr-xr-x should be ok |
| 02:50.55 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: and pardon my ignorance, but which group should /dev be? |
| 02:51.02 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: ok |
| 02:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, pick one that you can't access and check why |
| 02:51.55 | Firenight | I am trying to set up my laptop for sound and i use e16. Well it tells me esound is not running so I run esd. Well it starts fine but no sound comes out or anything. I ran alsaconf and it set everything up but again I had no sound. When I run esd it errors when I try to play audio with aplay or any other thing. I have turned esd on then enabled audio in e16 but still nothing |
| 02:52.06 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: right, i'm doing it. i'm just flabbergasted this happened. thank you so much ;] |
| 02:52.09 | Wyzard | fbom: root:root 0755 |
| 02:52.39 | Wyzard | Firenight: esound and alsaconf are both deprecated |
| 02:52.53 | Firenight | heh |
| 02:52.57 | Firenight | what do you suggest I use? |
| 02:53.08 | Wyzard | Firenight: esound superseded by pulseaudio, and alsaconf simply no longer necessary thanks to udev |
| 02:53.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's still being used in lenny (esound i mean) |
| 02:53.20 | Wyzard | ah |
| 02:53.34 | Wyzard | Well, even before pulseaudio, it was rendered mostly unnecessary by alsa's dmix |
| 02:53.35 | Firenight | well I tryed to use udev but all i seem to get for commands is udevd |
| 02:53.37 | Wyzard | I haven't used esound in years |
| 02:53.38 | abrotman | Firenight: you might want libesd-alsa0 |
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| 02:53.44 | Firenight | ok |
| 02:53.47 | KISS4EVER | good night |
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| 02:54.11 | Wyzard | Firenight: You don't run udev manually; it's a system service that detects hardware and loads the right drivers automatically (among other things) |
| 02:54.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, also, if you find devices are really missing, guess there's still /dev/MAKEDEV (although I've not used that in years) |
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| 02:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jupp, still there |
| 02:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and even got a man page |
| 02:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | so impressed |
| 02:54.54 | KISS4EVER | what do you think about opensolaris? |
| 02:54.55 | Firenight | and I have a touchscreen laptop and was wondering how hard it is to set up |
| 02:55.18 | Firenight | i will try the libesd-alsa maybe that will fix it |
| 02:55.27 | abrotman | KISS4EVER: #debian-offtopic |
| 02:55.28 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: i will check it out. but...what just wipes devs? i mean...wtf? |
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| 02:55.55 | maher | fbom: i assume you just upgraded udev... |
| 02:56.09 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: also, root runs these apps just fine, can access sound and everything |
| 02:56.22 | fbom | maher: perhaps, i'm still looking through the logs |
| 02:56.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | so nothing did wipe it |
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| 02:56.42 | maher | fbom: there was a security fix out today |
| 02:56.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks a lot like permissions |
| 02:57.24 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: looks like that to me, too. still aghast |
| 02:57.29 | fbom | maher: ah |
| 02:57.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | "oh it's totally secure now - nobody can access it anymore" |
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| 02:59.09 | maher | fdom: check you are in audio |
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| 02:59.33 | fbom | maher: first thing i checked after rerunning alsaconfig - i'm in there |
| 03:00.39 | fbom | maher: okay see the udev upgrade here - but the problem happened before i apt-upgraded today |
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| 03:03.42 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: "/dev/dsp", O_WRONLY <- so that's opening read/write-only for this user, is that a correct reading? |
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| 03:04.24 | macly | I need a good mdns repeater utility (i.e. push mdns signals across a router) |
| 03:04.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, might be... there's no reason to read from it, no? |
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| 03:05.06 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: not sure, but that's one of the 'permission denied' ones |
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| 03:05.50 | fbom | linux is fun |
| 03:05.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw |
| 03:06.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.20 | TheSarge | Is there a way to switch vga modes without restarting? |
| 03:06.21 | maher | fbom: what is ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 03:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or doing it through alsa-oss) |
| 03:06.37 | fbom | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2009-04-16 19:12 /dev/dsp |
| 03:06.50 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: oh |
| 03:07.07 | maher | fbom: looks fine |
| 03:08.05 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: well the same thing reads for /mixer and sndcontrolC0 and a few others, too |
| 03:08.30 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: just wonder what permissions i'm missing |
| 03:08.48 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: and then how they were changed |
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| 03:09.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, http://pastebin.com/f3ad221c7 that's what that strace looks for me |
| 03:09.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( hey, why am I pasting outputs and not him ) |
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| 03:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | "echo adsfasfd >/dev/dsp" |
| 03:10.56 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: heard a pop |
| 03:11.09 | enouf | !soundcheck |
| 03:11.10 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 03:12.05 | fbom | dpkg: such a horrible sound...i guess i have one of the two working |
| 03:12.06 | dpkg | fbom: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 03:12.24 | fbom | dpkg: yay, i suck, thanks |
| 03:12.25 | dpkg | fbom: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 03:12.33 | enouf | !speaker-test |
| 03:12.33 | dpkg | hmm... speaker-test is do; "speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2" or perhaps "speaker-test -t wav -c 2" for a nicer female voice, instead of a tone to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck> |
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| 03:13.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, obviously it's not permissions of /dev/dsp |
| 03:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | (if this was as a regular user) |
| 03:13.51 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: no, that was root |
| 03:14.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, how pointless was that? |
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| 03:14.12 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: can't run as reg user |
| 03:14.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 03:14.25 | enouf | 'groups' |
| 03:14.28 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: what? |
| 03:14.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not |
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| 03:15.13 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: ALSA lib conf.c:3513:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such file or directory |
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| 03:15.32 | enouf | ewwww |
| 03:15.42 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, i didn't know dpkg was testing permissions |
| 03:15.57 | enouf | !what are you? |
| 03:15.57 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 03:16.31 | enouf | !what is dpkg? |
| 03:16.33 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, enouf |
| 03:16.37 | enouf | heh |
| 03:17.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, that's what you get back from that echo? |
| 03:17.34 | enouf | fbom: in your shell ; dpkg is the lowlevel pkg manager .. it just so happens a bot in this channel has the same name |
| 03:17.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !irritate fbom |
| 03:17.45 | dpkg | fbom: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol kthx |
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| 03:18.25 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: correct - it scrolls like that through pcm.c and conf.c... |
| 03:18.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you don't get permission denied |
| 03:18.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | how weird |
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| 03:19.17 | fbom | i do if i cat vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
| 03:19.28 | fbom | so i guess i have my answer |
| 03:20.38 | enouf | that presumes you're in / and/or using a symlink ... cat /dev/hda1 > /dev/dsp (though you would also need privs) |
| 03:20.45 | fbom | even though the permissions say i should be able to access it |
| 03:20.49 | TheSarge | Can you change vga modes in a tty without restarting? |
| 03:21.09 | enouf | TheSarge: if you installed and configured fbcon .. maybe |
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| 03:21.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, the echo one is absolutely sufficient and less annoying |
| 03:22.05 | fbom | enouf: neat little trick |
| 03:22.05 | enouf | TheSarge: er i meant fbset i guess; http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-16.html but might be old now |
| 03:22.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, you do? I don't see it |
| 03:22.26 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: i mean, permissions, right? |
| 03:22.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 03:22.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | permissions to what |
| 03:22.35 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i missed your echo command, sorry |
| 03:22.36 | TheSarge | enouf: hmmm okay ill check it out thx. |
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| 03:22.55 | fbom | everything moc et al is trying to access |
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| 03:25.01 | TheSarge | Also my Xorg is really flakey lately, anything that involves changing a resolution (like logging out ) sometimes makes my screen go black then try all listed resolutions unsucessfully, then it shows the blue window saying there was an error offering me to view the log, which has no (EE) lines, just a fatal error: lockup.. :( |
| 03:25.09 | Wyzard | gravity: If you're still around a note: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide says xorg.conf is "absolutely necessary" to specify one's keymap, but http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=456488#p456488 provides an example of how to do it with an .fdi file |
| 03:25.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, you didn't get sound from /dev/dsp by catting some file in as a user - but produced these errors, right? |
| 03:25.36 | Wyzard | gravity: and using the .fdi file to set synaptics driver options does work |
| 03:25.56 | enouf | TheSarge: then you have shit like this; http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/vesafb-tng/ again; not sure of age |
| 03:26.21 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: i just get this when catting through dsp-> bash: /dev/dsp: Permission denied |
| 03:26.28 | enouf | basically saying use uvesafb |
| 03:26.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, ok |
| 03:26.52 | Wyzard | gravity: oops, nevermind the first part; I misread, and your guide already explains how to configure a keymap with HAL |
| 03:27.18 | enouf | Wyzard: eww .. an .fdi file? yuk! |
| 03:27.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, ls -lad / /dev/ /dev/dsp ; id (user and root) |
| 03:27.36 | Wyzard | enouf: better than an xorg.conf |
| 03:27.37 | deb-eater | I haven't had very many bugs running squeeze on my Hp and Dell mdesktops |
| 03:27.42 | Wyzard | enouf: My laptop has none |
| 03:28.01 | enouf | oh well .. craptops |
| 03:28.16 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: want me to paste in here? |
| 03:28.30 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: or i'll try pastebin |
| 03:28.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 03:28.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also pastebinit |
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| 03:29.22 | enouf | Wyzard: please understand; i sincerely appreciate all you do here and elsewhere - sorry that it seems i might give you a tough time; and many times i'm wrong - however, i must test ;-) |
| 03:29.23 | Wyzard | enouf: and my desktop only has an xorg.conf for the sake of telling it to use the "nvidia" driver rather than "nv" |
| 03:29.34 | enouf | eww |
| 03:29.38 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/d5de43e32 |
| 03:30.25 | Wyzard | and that's probably not needed anymore with the new xorg |
| 03:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, rob is not in audio! |
| 03:30.36 | enouf | Wyzard: i just loathe anything that has to with bloated DEs and any dependencies on DEs, such as hal and dbus |
| 03:30.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or id doesn't show it as it does on my system) |
| 03:30.56 | Wyzard | well, hal and dbus aren't really tied to DEs |
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| 03:31.04 | enouf | sure theyare |
| 03:31.05 | Wyzard | They're used *by* DEs, but they're more like lower-level system components |
| 03:31.08 | enouf | remove them |
| 03:31.18 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: aurora:/var/log# groups rob |
| 03:31.20 | enouf | and see how well your gnome/kde works |
| 03:31.24 | Wyzard | xorg itself exposes a dbus service now |
| 03:31.26 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: audio |
| 03:31.33 | enouf | Wyzard: yuk |
| 03:31.41 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: that's what i see when i run that, that isn't correct? |
| 03:31.42 | Wyzard | enouf: that means the DE is tied to hal/dbus, not the other way around |
| 03:31.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, rob needs to log in again... |
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| 03:32.00 | Wyzard | enouf: GNOME/KDE wouldn't work well without a kernel either, but that doesn't mean that the kernel is bloated DE stuff :-P |
| 03:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, groups don't change instantaneously |
| 03:32.09 | enouf | Wyzard: that's a serious twist on words man |
| 03:32.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least that's what I think is happening |
| 03:32.27 | enouf | Wyzard: without a DE there'd be no need for HAL, nor DBUS |
| 03:32.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | the permissions are ok for someone in audio |
| 03:32.39 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: i rebooted already, after adding, but I will log in again, brb |
| 03:32.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 03:32.50 | enouf | Wyzard: nor kdcop , etc etc |
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| 03:33.27 | Wyzard | enouf: only to the extent that DEs are the main things that demand hotplugging and loose-coupled IPC, which is what HAL and DBUS provide, respectively |
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| 03:34.27 | enouf | indeed - and usbmount handles that (for usb devices) without the need of either |
| 03:34.47 | Wyzard | enouf: but those capabilities aren't really DE-specific... for example, I think policykit (which uses dbus) is a step forward for user-privilege management, and could be utilized by console apps too |
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| 03:35.06 | enouf | Wyzard: they do not "demand" hotplugging .. but demand user loveliness due to hotplugging events |
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| 03:35.35 | sepult | policykit is goo |
| 03:35.37 | deb-eater | 2Days of uptime |
| 03:35.37 | sepult | d |
| 03:35.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | gone with the wind |
| 03:35.46 | enouf | IOW; they "supposedly" help the user interactiveness .. heh |
| 03:35.58 | sepult | saved me some restarts of services, which would already be running |
| 03:36.04 | enouf | but the bloated DE framework destroys all of that |
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| 03:37.12 | enouf | Wyzard: man hal-[tab][tab] .. how many of those are useful? :-P |
| 03:37.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, "su - rob" would have been sufficient, I'd say |
| 03:37.32 | deb-eater | Are ther any none isuues with usb wifi adapters? |
| 03:37.36 | enouf | Wyzard: then .. for kicks, read the dbus docs |
| 03:37.55 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: that adds me to su ? |
| 03:37.57 | Wyzard | enouf: Those are mostly troubleshooting tools |
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| 03:38.14 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: oic in the man |
| 03:38.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbh, and id for me returns "uid=1000(k) gid=1000(k) groups=4(adm),7(lp),24(cdrom),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),110(camera),117(fuse)" |
| 03:38.31 | enouf | Wyzard: as are creating/generating/managing ".fdi" files, IMO |
| 03:38.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | while yours only showed you in the group "rob" |
| 03:38.52 | Wyzard | yeah, that generally shouldn't be necessary |
| 03:39.09 | Wyzard | but it's no worse than editing any of the other config files in /etc that one often needs to customize |
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| 03:39.30 | Wyzard | /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/samba/smb.conf, etc. |
| 03:39.32 | deb-eater | a simple user mod -g wheel would solve this issue wouldn't it ? |
| 03:39.33 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: now i'm being showin in audio group - but i HAD rebooted after adding myself...things work now |
| 03:39.34 | enouf | well .. i must admit, it ain't no worse than XML shudders |
| 03:39.48 | enouf | heh |
| 03:39.51 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: now i'd like to find out why the permissions changed |
| 03:39.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, they didn't |
| 03:40.11 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: i mean groups |
| 03:40.17 | enouf | fbom: perms didn't |
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| 03:40.52 | deb-eater | Accsee lists possibly? |
| 03:40.55 | enouf | fbom: you username was successfully added to the group you applied it to; prior to logout/login |
| 03:41.25 | fbom | enouf: no, I rebooted last time after i made sure i was in audio group |
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| 03:41.58 | W0rmF00d | I see several sip softphone packages in sid...does anyone have any suggestions? (what is good, what to avoid, etc) |
| 03:42.22 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat, enouf, Wyzard - thank you all very much for your help. CutMeOwnThroat I can't really thank you enough for taking so much time to help me. |
| 03:42.35 | enouf | fbom: especially when using shadow passwds which incorporates PAM (see /etc/pam.d/*) your username needs to fully logout ant and login again for full effect .. otherwise see man newgrp |
| 03:42.57 | fbom | enouf: doesn't rebooting cover that requirement, though? |
| 03:43.01 | enouf | fbom: i like you ;-) |
| 03:43.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbom, ls -la /etc/group* ? |
| 03:43.28 | enouf | fbom: it should ,, if done correctly .. and everything else is in order |
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| 03:43.56 | fbom | CutMeOwnThroat: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 748 2009-04-16 19:06 /etc/group, -rw------- 1 root root 745 2009-04-16 19:06 /etc/group- |
| 03:44.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 03:44.22 | enouf | ls -l /etc/gshadow |
| 03:44.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's 1255 size for me |
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| 03:44.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the backup is the same |
| 03:44.44 | fbom | enouf: -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 612 2009-04-16 19:06 /etc/gshadow |
| 03:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a gshadow? |
| 03:45.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf |
| 03:45.07 | enouf | stat the fucker; size isn't the issue ... so she says ;-) |
| 03:45.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, there's group passwords |
| 03:45.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | never used the buggers |
| 03:45.31 | enouf | uh .. duh .. |
| 03:45.33 | enouf | ;-) |
| 03:45.38 | Sazpaimon | how do i get messages from gcc 4.3 to display correctly in iso-8859-1 |
| 03:45.51 | Sazpaimon | it uses weird utf-8 characters for quoting in its messages |
| 03:45.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | so a group with a password lets anyone in who knows it? |
| 03:46.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do you get in? |
| 03:46.17 | enouf | mine is; -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 865 2009-02-16 20:00 /etc/gshadow but it |
| 03:46.22 | enouf | it's older |
| 03:46.22 | Wyzard | Sazpaimon: That means your $LANG specifies a UTF-8 locale |
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| 03:46.51 | sepult | Sazpaimon: set your locale to something like en_US.UTF-8 or de_DE.UTF-8 |
| 03:46.51 | sepult | Sazpaimon: then set your LC_MESSAGES to that too |
| 03:46.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | world readable shadow files? |
| 03:46.52 | deb-eater | CutMeOwnThroat: I'de assume that you would login usin your normal credentials |
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| 03:47.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, the newgrp that e. mentioned does it |
| 03:47.44 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: nothing wrong with "readable" to world, AFAIK |
| 03:47.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | not if there's not any passwords inside |
| 03:48.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it *does* make having a shadow file rather pointless |
| 03:48.42 | WormFood | nobody has any suggestions as to a good sip client (in debian sid) to get, or bad ones to avoid? |
| 03:48.45 | enouf | why? if only root can write to it? |
| 03:48.48 | deb-eater | wouldn't you normally keep passwords in the /etc/password ffile? |
| 03:48.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, try them... :) |
| 03:49.27 | enouf | deb-eater: learn about how shadow and PAM work |
| 03:49.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, and as with everything, it depends on what you want, right? |
| 03:49.27 | WormFood | CutMeOwnThroat, obviously I was hoping for a suggestion from someone as to narrow down my choices |
| 03:49.37 | deb-eater | I'll do some reading over the weekend |
| 03:49.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | deb-eater, err... read backlog... we're talking about password protected groups |
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| 03:50.05 | enouf | were we? .. oh .. :-P |
| 03:50.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, I dunno, I only tried ekiga and wengophone |
| 03:50.21 | smacnay | Wyzard: well, all works. new kernel with the nvidia driver and xorg updated. |
| 03:50.22 | deb-eater | Thanks for the update CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:50.29 | smacnay | Wyzard: thanks for holdingmy hand. |
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| 03:50.44 | Wyzard | smacnay: you're welcome |
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| 03:51.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, and apparently ekiga 3.0 will be a vast improvement, but it's only in experimental up to now... |
| 03:51.55 | WormFood | I have ekiga installed (3.3 I think) |
| 03:51.56 | enouf | !Wyzard++ |
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| 03:52.16 | WormFood | whatever the newest 3.x branch is |
| 03:52.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | 3.0.1-1 is in experimental |
| 03:52.33 | Wyzard | enouf: btw, you might want to read the "introduction" and "rationale" sections of http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 03:52.37 | enouf | thinks that's the "karma +1" triggeer |
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| 03:53.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is |
| 03:53.43 | enouf | Wyzard: well .. sure .. thanks ... it's ever evolving .. i'm just not sure i like the freedesktop.org +xorg approach overall |
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| 03:54.28 | Wyzard | I'm mentioning it because it explains the rationale for depending on hal and dbus |
| 03:54.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, from experimental? |
| 03:54.38 | WormFood | no, I compiled from source |
| 03:54.43 | deb-eater | I wish I could dump th e graphical user interface,b ut i am still very attached to it |
| 03:56.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | deb-eater, couple of years and perhaps we can plug the machine directly into our eye nerves |
| 03:56.23 | enouf | Wyzard: right ..to me .. a flawed rationale .. though i won't make a final decision prior to reading |
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| 03:57.15 | smacnay | wishes he could start his uvcvideo webcam without "exposure, auto priority" selected. Must be a way where modules get loaded. |
| 03:57.20 | deb-eater | Maybe I should use this circa 2004 mavchine as a test for an all text based environment eh CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:57.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | deb-eater, what for? |
| 03:58.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | graphics cards aren't even efficient for text mode |
| 03:59.15 | WormFood | plugs in a Hercules video card |
| 03:59.19 | deb-eater | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you kiddin |
| 03:59.38 | WormFood | hardly runs gnome? are you high? |
| 03:59.57 | WormFood | deb-eater, what are you smoking to make you think it hardly runs gnome? |
| 04:00.17 | smacnay | deb-eater: my circa 2003 machine still flies along - trick is to not use someone elses core2duo machine for comparisons. |
| 04:00.18 | deb-eater | WormFood: Nothing |
| 04:00.58 | WormFood | if you think it hardly runs gnome, then I suggest you quit using that 166 Mhz original pentium |
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| 04:03.10 | deb-eater | smacnay: I sem to trick my self into thinking that this old dimension 4600c is nothing more than a pos, when in fact I know it can still run gnome and kde pretty capabilly |
| 04:03.11 | smacnay | I have an older Athlon 2800+, but with 2 gig of ram, it runs very well. |
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| 04:04.35 | sepult | what is bsod good for ? |
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| 04:05.22 | deb-eater | I also semm to trivck my self into comaring it to my 1 and a hlaf year old Hp pavillion a6230n with 3.2 gigs of rams and a athlon X2 5600 plus processor |
| 04:05.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | deb-eater, also, there is no need for gnome or kde, of course :) |
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| 04:06.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, just trying ekiga 3... it can't connect to my sip accounts :-/ |
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| 04:07.13 | TheSarge | Does anyone here use awsome? I am trying to figure it out, and all the man page says is "mod4" what button is that? |
| 04:07.15 | WormFood | I haven't tried it with sip yet, but I wasn't real happy with it |
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| 04:07.59 | deb-eater | CutMeOwnThroat: I guess yiou are right ablout that, Icolud always just write all of my documents as rtf or text documents and use somethinh lik aspell or ispell, or the printed dictionaryto check my spelling |
| 04:08.08 | WormFood | I have a sip client in my cell phone, but it is a pain in the ass to get setup |
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| 04:09.21 | gueux | hi |
| 04:09.38 | deb-eater | hey gueux |
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| 04:09.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | deb-eater, I use fvwm2 (mostly because I already fucked so much around with the configuration that I'd have to do it again with any other WM) - there's also openbox, which is nice... or the more weird stuff like ratpoison or aewm ... and 100 others :) |
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| 04:10.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | deb-eater, there's a huge space of possibilities between something like KDE and pure text mode |
| 04:10.53 | deb-eater | good point CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:11.17 | deb-eater | Cya later to day i am tired >. the hey stack calls |
| 04:11.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | good itch |
| 04:11.57 | TheSarge | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.00 | TheSarge | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.08 | TheSarge | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.21 | deb-eater | thanks for opening my eyes to allof the possiblilties CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:12.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 04:12.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can even run X without windows manager :-P |
| 04:12.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't recommend that, though |
| 04:12.55 | rafuch0 | did somebady configure the drdb ? |
| 04:13.40 | deb-eater | I am ggoing to bed ttyl to day |
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| 04:14.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw. did you notice, when FF fills in a password for you and it becomes to âââââââ, if you mark it and right-click, then FF asks you "open 'yoursecretpasswor' as URI" in the menu :) |
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| 04:14.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | buybuy |
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| 04:17.26 | smacnay | I am really enjoying empathy. |
| 04:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | that really don't impress me much |
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| 04:18.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, so this is from experimental |
| 04:18.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | still.. |
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| 04:20.14 | TheSarge | Anyone know what mod4 is? I am trying to figure out awesome |
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| 04:20.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | without any context? |
| 04:21.20 | smacnay | empathy is a neat gnome app that does im very well - can also do voice/video over jabber protocol |
| 04:21.31 | TheSarge | like all the keyboard shortcuts say "mod4 + n or mod4 + e" etc... |
| 04:21.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
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| 04:22.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | "AltGr", perhaps |
| 04:22.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean.. 1,2,3 should be shift/alt/ctrl |
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| 04:22.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think windows key is 5 |
| 04:23.03 | yoshimit | Hi there! Someone can tell me if I can use a debian Lenny ISO image as mirror to install it, using XEN ? |
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| 04:23.24 | mxmx | hi |
| 04:23.26 | yoshimit | I'm trying to avoid download the image again... |
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| 04:23.34 | mxmx | is tehre a guide on hwo to ftp with debian? |
| 04:23.41 | mxmx | i need to uplaod some files |
| 04:23.58 | Xenguy | mxmx: cli or gui? |
| 04:24.50 | Xenguy | mxmx: command-line or graphical interace? |
| 04:25.01 | ajavid | hi |
| 04:25.05 | ajavid | good evening |
| 04:25.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's graphical ftp clients outside windows world? (shudders) |
| 04:25.30 | ajavid | I am about to purchase a new motherboard, and it has a Realtek 8111C LAN chipset |
| 04:25.42 | ajavid | how weel is this supported under debian? |
| 04:25.43 | matt7676 | I just woke up and would like to know what time I did go to sleep. I remember that just before going to sleep I watched some videos on youtube and browsed the web + read resolv.conf file with nano. I didn't close my netbook before falling a sleep and it was on all night long. Right now I am behind my desktop computer and have not touched the netbook. Maybe is there a possibility to check the creation time of last browser cache entries or som |
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| 04:26.40 | ajavid | I am about to purchase a new motherboard, and it has a Realtek 8111C LAN chipset and I can't find out if this is supported in linux or not |
| 04:26.43 | mxmx | Xenguy command line |
| 04:26.45 | ajavid | anyone? |
| 04:27.02 | Xenguy | mxmx: lftp is the best (IMHO :-) |
| 04:27.29 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: filezilla is respectable ;-) |
| 04:27.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | matt7676, stats /etc/resolv.conf? ... mm, no, dhcp changes that repeatedly |
| 04:28.09 | mxmx | i ahve to isntall it? |
| 04:28.20 | mxmx | :9 |
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| 04:28.37 | Xenguy | mxmx: probably - apt-get install lftp |
| 04:28.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | matt7676, /var/log/messages has MARK entries every 20 minutes - which points it down clearly on a crash... ... |
| 04:28.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installit |
| 04:28.40 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 04:28.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I like ncftp :) |
| 04:28.56 | Ir8 | ajavid: attempt to fidn the drivers. |
| 04:29.06 | Ir8 | CutMeOwnThroat: yes ncftp is great :P |
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| 04:29.26 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: that was my first love; gave it up after discovering lftp |
| 04:29.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 04:29.38 | Ir8 | 8111C drivers are supported. |
| 04:29.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xenguy, well, it's still good enough for the two times I use ftp per year |
| 04:30.17 | ajavid | thanks |
| 04:30.30 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: certainly; I just *really* like what that crazy russian programmer did with lftp :-) |
| 04:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | which was what? |
| 04:30.55 | Ir8 | Xenguy: Lftp support passive transfers? |
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| 04:31.01 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: umm, built the perfect cli ftp client ;-) |
| 04:31.23 | Xenguy | Ir8: everything you can imagine - it is (almost) perfect IMHO |
| 04:31.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xenguy, i.e. one that doesn't use the crappy ftp protocol? |
| 04:31.55 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: dude it is an ftp client (it is what it is) |
| 04:32.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm the dude! |
| 04:32.17 | Ir8 | Xenguy: word. |
| 04:32.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Imseduuude |
| 04:32.40 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: I know ftp is a crappy protocol, but when I use that crappy protocol I use lftp - enough said :-) |
| 04:33.04 | Xenguy | heh |
| 04:33.11 | Ir8 | ftp is a great protocol mostly as it just works. |
| 04:33.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha ha... good one |
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| 04:33.36 | Xenguy | well, that in the clear bit is somewhat suspect, yes? |
| 04:33.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ftp must die |
| 04:33.43 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 04:33.55 | Xenguy | a great rant :-) |
| 04:33.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed |
| 04:34.14 | smacnay | still likes Archie!!! |
| 04:34.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 04:34.22 | mxmx | i oculd curl it.... |
| 04:34.27 | Ir8 | lol |
| 04:34.36 | Xenguy | holy smokes - archie - that is way back! |
| 04:34.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it still exist? |
| 04:34.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I checked recently |
| 04:34.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | after being shocked that gopher is still around |
| 04:34.59 | Xenguy | veronica... |
| 04:35.04 | Xenguy | jughead... |
| 04:35.07 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: not that I know of - there was veronica and jughead too |
| 04:35.12 | Xenguy | gopher |
| 04:35.18 | smacnay | Xenguy: yes |
| 04:35.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah! gopher lives! |
| 04:35.27 | Xenguy | haha |
| 04:35.29 | smacnay | Xenguy: then came.... "Mosaic" |
| 04:35.50 | smacnay | Xenguy: I nearly peed myself when I used Mosaic for the first time. |
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| 04:35.56 | Xenguy | smacnay: the ultimate browser at the time |
| 04:36.01 | smacnay | Xenguy: yes |
| 04:36.11 | Xenguy | smacnay: it was a whole new world |
| 04:36.27 | Xenguy | but I'm getting all nostalgic :-) |
| 04:36.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe yeah |
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| 04:37.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you could browse a webpage ... in south africa and it'd appear within seconds :) |
| 04:37.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | a-maz-ing |
| 04:37.38 | Xenguy | you know what mozilla stands for? |
| 04:37.55 | Ir8 | Xenguy: google would know : |
| 04:38.04 | Xenguy | "mosaic killa" = mozilla |
| 04:38.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | netscape was in between |
| 04:38.24 | Xenguy | those fuckers who built netscape were bastards |
| 04:38.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | for long years netscape was the only browser |
| 04:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | until Microsoft managed to produce something, that was even crappier |
| 04:38.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | after the general astonishment at that had subsided a little bit... |
| 04:39.32 | Xenguy | the point is that the netscape guys intended to kill open source with non-open source -- that's what 'mozilla' actually means |
| 04:39.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm - was that before or after the woman from utah deleted the internet? |
| 04:39.41 | Xenguy | a little know factoid |
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| 04:40.46 | Xenguy | until, ironically, they open-sourced netscape :P |
| 04:40.56 | Xenguy | or had to |
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| 04:41.08 | Xenguy | anyhow, bedtime for bonzo here |
| 04:41.14 | Xenguy | cheers all |
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| 04:46.37 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: "Mozilla" has always been the internal codename of Netscape; Netscape wasn't "between" Mosaic and Mozilla |
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| 04:48.13 | Manoj | Wyzard: that matches my recollection too |
| 04:48.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wyzard, well... yes - but it was only not called netscape anymore when the stuff went open source and was more or less rewritten |
| 04:49.04 | Wyzard | That's why IE's user-agent string says "Mozilla (compatible)", because Netscape reported itself as Mozilla and Microsoft wanted servers to treat IE the way they'd treat Mozilla (a known, supported browser) rather than some strange newcomer |
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| 04:49.27 | Wyzard | yeah, after it was open-sourced "Mozilla" became the actual application name, rather than just an internal codename |
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| 04:49.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 04:50.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wyzard, I remember that 'Mozilla (compatible)' well... |
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| 04:55.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I think saying netscape came in between mosaic and mozilla is kinda a valid statement... |
| 04:56.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | netscape and the rewritten OSS mozilla were two different softwares... so I don't see how else to make the distinction without adding a lot of cruft |
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| 05:05.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | shubidu |
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| 05:08.13 | aRahim | want help in installing ongbird.tar ball |
| 05:08.41 | aRahim | it ask for firefox package but its not in the repo as it is called iceweael |
| 05:09.52 | aRahim | Songbird_1.1.2-1042_linux-i686.tar |
| 05:11.43 | halflife08 | hmm what version of debian are you running ? |
| 05:12.08 | aRahim | lenny |
| 05:12.16 | halflife08 | there should be a sym link /usr/bin/firefox to iceweasel |
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| 05:13.17 | aRahim | is this the correct way http://www.debianadmin.com/install-songbird-and-play-your-music.html#more-107 |
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| 05:14.55 | halflife08 | that is one way to do it |
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| 05:16.12 | trupheenix | i ran the installer off my thumbdrive yesterday with the lxde+xfce ISO file. the installer started but on the detect network card step, it couldn't find eth0. i don't get it. Ubuntu detects my network card. |
| 05:16.27 | trupheenix | also i got an error saying couldn't load kernel modules. why? |
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| 05:22.06 | aRahim | halflife08: whats the other way |
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| 05:26.03 | roe_ | how long does something need to stay in sid before it makes it to squeeze? |
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| 05:35.16 | Wyzard | roe_: For packages with "normal" urgency, I think the delay is a week |
| 05:35.32 | Wyzard | roe_: Higher urgencies have shorter delays |
| 05:35.52 | Wyzard | but even after the minimum delay, the package won't propagate unless its dependencies are met |
| 05:36.12 | Wyzard | and it doesn't have more RC bugs than the version already in testing does |
| 05:36.14 | roe_ | ah... I was expecting gnome 2.24 to make it into squeeze already |
| 05:36.38 | Wyzard | gnome has complex dependencies so it may take awhile beyond the minimum delay |
| 05:37.24 | Wyzard | (but I'm speculating about that; I don't run testing so I've never actually watched a gnome update propagate into it) |
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| 05:38.15 | roe_ | I don't have the fortitude to run sid |
| 05:38.30 | roe_ | especially right after a release |
| 05:38.51 | Wyzard | It's a good way to learn a lot |
| 05:39.07 | Wyzard | (but the learning is sometimes by necessity to fix something) |
| 05:39.11 | roe_ | no doubt, but not on my machine that I need to be productive on |
| 05:39.19 | EmleyMoor | I have a sid VM - it's interesting |
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| 05:40.00 | Wyzard | roe_: I've been running sid on my main workstation since 2001 :-) |
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| 05:40.09 | Wyzard | and I'd say it's the main reason why I'm as experienced with Debian as I am |
| 05:40.18 | Manoj | Hmm? The only thing that happened to Sid this time round was the X upgrade using new hal based driver settings |
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| 05:40.48 | Wyzard | Manoj: There was a gnome 2.22->2.24 transition recently too |
| 05:40.53 | roe_ | sure, but you have spent far longer experimenting with linux and basic OS concepts than I |
| 05:41.07 | Wyzard | and 2.24->2.26 coming at some point |
| 05:41.15 | Manoj | Oh. Imissed that, don't use gnome or kde |
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| 05:41.35 | Manoj | too underpowered for my liking |
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| 05:44.57 | EmleyMoor | I have to get a new laptop fairly soon - my joint-use one is about to be replaced with a "work only" one and I will need one to take over the other functions. Anyone tried a Dell Inspiron 15 with Debian yet? |
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| 05:46.36 | aRahim | halflife08: i have installed songbird in /usr/local/bin/songbird, and run it with ./songbird |
| 05:46.54 | aRahim | halflife08: any idea how can i run it in krunner? |
| 05:47.34 | halflife08 | give the full patch |
| 05:47.40 | halflife08 | **path |
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| 05:48.12 | aRahim | halflife08: any shorcuts, like on the desktop? |
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| 05:48.43 | halflife08 | aRahim: i don't use kde, you can probably right click and create one |
| 05:49.05 | aRahim | hackeron: ok |
| 05:49.09 | |cat| | whay is netmask for 192.168.1.0 net ? |
| 05:49.28 | aRahim | hackeron: should i use this '/usr/local/bin/songbird/.songbord |
| 05:49.35 | Wyzard | |cat|: 255.255.255.0 assuming it hasn't been subnetted |
| 05:50.06 | halflife08 | |cat|: if you are following class 255.255.255.0 |
| 05:50.21 | |cat| | if i use route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.252.0 gw 192.168.68.1 eth0, receive route: netmask doesn't match route address |
| 05:50.47 | Manoj | |cat|: You will like ipcalc: try ipcalc 192.168.0.1/24 |
| 05:50.53 | Wyzard | |cat|: "255.255.252.0" has a typo in it |
| 05:50.54 | halflife08 | you are using 255.252 intentional ? |
| 05:50.57 | |cat| | halflife08: but netmask for provider is 255.255.252.0 |
| 05:51.32 | Wyzard | "provider" meaning your ISP? |
| 05:51.42 | |cat| | Wyzard: yes |
| 05:51.47 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: 192.168. is nothing to do with your ISP |
| 05:52.14 | Wyzard | This is on a NAT router, right? Your ISP is giving you some other address, and you're setting up a private 192.168.1.x network |
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| 05:52.47 | Wyzard | The 255.255.252.0 netmask is for the external IP assigned by your ISP, and has nothing to do with the private network behind your router |
| 05:52.50 | |cat| | i use two local networks one for internet and one for local city network |
| 05:53.17 | EmleyMoor | If your gateway is 192.168.68.1, that's not in 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 05:53.47 | EmleyMoor | ... nor /22 |
| 05:53.50 | |cat| | 172.16.0.0/24- Internet 192.168. -city local network |
| 05:54.34 | |cat| | EmleyMoor: so how to set route to 192.168. ? |
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| 05:54.46 | mxmx | hmm |
| 05:54.46 | mxmx | [Thu Apr 16 23:49:34 2009] [error] child process 14988 still did not exit, sending a SIGKILL |
| 05:54.52 | mxmx | what does that mean? |
| 05:55.06 | Wyzard | |cat|: 172.16.0.0 is not a valid address range on the Internet |
| 05:55.11 | Wyzard | Is that what your ISP is giving you? |
| 05:55.23 | Wyzard | If so, they're putting you behind a NAT of their own |
| 05:55.43 | |cat| | Wyzard: 172.16.0.0 i set manualy on router |
| 05:56.04 | aRahim | hackeron: thanks a lot brother |
| 05:56.04 | |cat| | Wyzard: 172.16.0.0 i set manualy on router |
| 05:56.05 | halflife08 | mxmx: it means that the child process 14988 did not exit , so the parent process is sending the signal sigkill |
| 05:56.12 | halflife08 | to kill the process |
| 05:56.15 | Wyzard | |cat|: on which interface of the router? |
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| 05:56.20 | aRahim | halflife08: thanks a lot |
| 05:56.35 | |cat| | wifi interface |
| 05:56.40 | halflife08 | anytime |
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| 05:57.27 | Wyzard | |cat|: Is that the interface used to connect your router to your ISP? Or does it connect your own computers to your router? |
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| 05:57.58 | |cat| | Wyzard: i use 172.16.0.0 to connect PC to router |
| 05:58.31 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: What are you trying to do wih the 192.168? |
| 05:59.10 | Wyzard | |cat|: then that's your network's private address range, not your "Internet" address range |
| 05:59.22 | |cat| | EmleyMoor: I need to add local route for 192.168 to use with another gateway 192.168.68.1 |
| 05:59.51 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: What is that gateway? Another interface on the router? |
| 06:00.38 | |cat| | Wyzard: one internet gateway 172.16.1.1. on router and one city gateway 192.168.68.1 |
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| 06:01.03 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: How do you connect to the city gateway? |
| 06:01.48 | |cat| | for 192.168. i need to add 3 local adressess to use gateway 192.168.68.1 |
| 06:02.33 | |cat| | EmleyMoor: i entered my ip 192.168.69.25 netmask 255.255.252.0 gateway 192.168.68.1 |
| 06:02.36 | EmleyMoor | Forget about that for the moment. How. physically, do you reach that gateway? |
| 06:02.50 | Wyzard | |cat|: "gateway" is another term for a router |
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| 06:03.02 | |cat| | EmleyMoor: i rich it with ethernet cable |
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| 06:03.20 | Wyzard | |cat|: Is 192.168.68.1 an address of *your* router that y ou're configuring your PC to talk to, or is it the address of some *other* router that your router is supposed to route to? |
| 06:03.40 | |cat| | Wyzard: 172.16.0.0 connects via wifi to router |
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| 06:04.19 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: On the city network, are you supposed to use a static address? |
| 06:04.37 | |cat| | Wyzard: 192.168.68.1 is router i think, but not mine |
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| 06:04.55 | |cat| | EmleyMoor: yes, we use only static adress |
| 06:05.23 | |cat| | wifi router is mine for 172.16.0 |
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| 06:05.53 | rebel_kid | i installed libflash-swfplayer and libflash-mozplugin but epiphany still doesnt render flash videos. any ideas? |
| 06:06.04 | rasmylo_ | hi - is this the right place for powerpc debian or is there a #debian-powerpc? |
| 06:06.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is |
| 06:06.23 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: The city network appears to be 192.168.68.0/22 - the last IP, netmask and gatewa you gave for it appear correct. Are you having a problem? |
| 06:06.27 | |cat| | 192.168.68.1 somewhere on our network, we have about 5000 Pcs |
| 06:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | "#debian-ppc" but I think they're aliased? |
| 06:07.08 | rasmylo_ | CMOT: thanks. sorry for the acronym :) |
| 06:07.11 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: 5000? That won't fit a /22 |
| 06:07.18 | |cat| | EmleyMoor: but why i can't add route to 192.168.? |
| 06:07.39 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: 192.168.what? |
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| 06:08.09 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: 192.168.what? |
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| 06:08.19 | Wyzard | EmleyMoor: The problem was the error message "route: netmask doesn't match route address" when trying to add a route to 192.168.1.0/22 |
| 06:08.32 | |cat| | EmleyMoor: i need add route 192.168.1.111 |
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| 06:09.11 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: That doe not appear to be part of your network |
| 06:09.28 | |cat| | EmleyMoor: so how to deal with that? |
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| 06:09.57 | halflife08 | rebel_kid : you probably need to enable ephiphany to scan mozilla plugin directories |
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| 06:11.00 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: If you are supposed to be able to reach that then either you have specified the city network incorrectly or it is up to the router administrator to deal with it. |
| 06:11.18 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: Were you given that IP and netmask by someone? |
| 06:11.24 | |cat| | route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.252.0 gw 192.168.68.1 eth0 should be, but route reports error |
| 06:11.41 | |cat| | EmleyMoor: by city ISP |
| 06:11.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | not 252 |
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| 06:12.07 | |cat| | EmleyMoor: if use 255.255.255.0 it will not work |
| 06:12.23 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: That IS an error. 192.168.68.1 is not in 192.168.1.0/22 |
| 06:12.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is the problem when you use 255.255.252.0 |
| 06:12.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 06:12.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is the problem when you use 255.255.255.0 |
| 06:12.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
| 06:13.26 | |cat| | CutMeOwnThroat: so try to set 255.255.255.0 ? |
| 06:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | "<|cat|> EmleyMoor: if use 255.255.255.0 it will not work" |
| 06:13.49 | EmleyMoor | CutMeOwnThroat: His IP is not in the /24, but in the /22 |
| 06:13.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is the problem when you use that |
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| 06:14.01 | |cat| | CutMeOwnThroat: i tried on Windows Pc and network not work if set 255.255.255.0 |
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| 06:14.35 | EmleyMoor | CutMeOwnThroat: He is trying to add a route for an address even further outside |
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| 06:15.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can anything be "further outside" |
| 06:15.46 | EmleyMoor | 192.168.1.111 is well outside the /22 |
| 06:16.09 | |cat| | i now 3 adresses wich i frequently use in 192.168.0 network and i trying to add route to its to use gateway 192.168.68.1 not 172.16.0.1 for internet |
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| 06:17.03 | |cat| | 3 adresse for city network resouses (video, torrent, games) |
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| 06:17.58 | |cat| | if i not set gateway for 192.168.0 network it will use 172.16.0 of course it not work |
| 06:18.35 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: Is it 192.168.0 or 192.168.1 or both? |
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| 06:19.06 | |cat| | EmleyMoor: both of them |
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| 06:20.14 | Wyzard | |cat|: With a netmask of 255.255.252.0, 192.168.1.0 is a host address, not a network address |
| 06:20.15 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: Try route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.254.0 eth0 |
| 06:20.24 | |cat| | EmleyMoor: 192.168.1.111(torrent resource) should be added to use gateway 192.168.68.1 |
| 06:20.42 | EmleyMoor | Disregard the gateway |
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| 06:20.50 | rasmylo_ | i'd like to disable a module loading on the lenny-5.0.1 net-inst image - how is it possible? |
| 06:20.54 | |cat| | Wyzard: 192.168.1.0 whole network |
| 06:21.08 | Wyzard | |cat|: not with a /22 netmask it isn't |
| 06:21.10 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: Try route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 |
| 06:21.26 | Wyzard | |cat|: It's a host i the 192.168.0.0/22 network |
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| 06:21.47 | |cat| | EmleyMoor: why 255? will it work? |
| 06:22.09 | Wyzard | |cat|: If you've been led to believe that you need to add a route to the network 192.168.1.0/22, clearly there's been a miscommunication somewhere about how your city network is set up |
| 06:22.36 | EmleyMoor | |cat|: If 192.168.1.0 is the network you need to reach, yes - as it is at bigge-t a /24 |
| 06:22.43 | EmleyMoor | biggest |
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| 06:23.02 | Wyzard | |cat|: Rather than trying random numbers, you should ask for more information about the city network (from its website, administrators, whatever) so that you actually understand how you fit into it |
| 06:23.11 | |cat| | Wyzard: of course i need linux can't use two gateways in same time as well windows |
| 06:24.14 | Wyzard | Windows has configurable routing tables too; the problem here isn't what the OS is capable of |
| 06:24.22 | Wyzard | It's that what you're trying to configure the OS to do is nonsensical |
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| 06:24.50 | |cat| | Wyzard: any os not capable to use two gateways, sure |
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| 06:25.13 | Wyzard | 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.252.0 is not a valid network address |
| 06:25.19 | Wyzard | You can't create a route to it on any OS |
| 06:25.47 | Wyzard | (a network route, that is; you could add a host route, but a host route is clearly not what you're trying for) |
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| 06:27.05 | |cat| | Wyzard: good, i will try to use 255.255.255.0 instead 255.255.252.0 |
| 06:27.13 | jelly-home | Wyzard: say, what's so bad about 192.168.1.0/22? Isn't it exactly the same as 192.168.0.0/22? |
| 06:28.13 | jelly-home | unusual, sure; not a canonical net address, too; but invalid? |
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| 06:29.06 | Wyzard | jelly: He was getting an error saying "netmask doesn't match route address", which sounds like it's complaining that there are host bits set in what's supposed to be a network address |
| 06:29.07 | Wyzard | sure, he could use 192.168.0.0/22, or 192.168.1.0/24, but those are just guesses |
| 06:29.09 | jelly-home | ah. |
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| 06:29.22 | Wyzard | You don't configure networks by guessing numbers without understanding how the network is set up |
| 06:30.22 | Wyzard | |cat|: You've received wrong information from somewhere, and you need to go back and get the right information about how to connect to your city network |
| 06:30.22 | |cat| | Wyzard: 255.255.255.0 not works with 192.168. network, should be 255.255.252.0 |
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| 06:31.29 | |cat| | Wyzard: i use such settings one year, and they were set by isp, but now i need two networks working in same time |
| 06:31.37 | EmleyMoor | |cat| appears to be trying to use two netwrks at once - city ntework people may decide they can't help him |
| 06:32.11 | Wyzard | The two-at-once setup isn't related to the problem |
| 06:32.18 | Wyzard | The route he's trying to add is nonsensical by itself |
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| 06:32.44 | EmleyMoor | However if he gets the definitive network address and mask for the city network, he can add the route if he does it right |
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| 06:32.55 | Wyzard | exactly |
| 06:33.23 | EmleyMoor | Wyzard: Only to the extent that without the other network it wouldn't hawe two ways to go |
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| 06:34.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | why would the mask matter as long as all IPs you want to reach are within what you defined as the mask and everything else outside? |
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| 06:35.16 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: We don't know what the range of addresses are that he might want to reach -- that's what the mask is supposed to tell us |
| 06:35.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. I mean why would /24 or /16 matter |
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| 06:35.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 06:35.36 | Wyzard | 192.168.1.0 might actually *be* a valid host address on this city network |
| 06:35.55 | Wyzard | and if he uses a /24 mask instead of /22, he wouldn't be able to communicate with that host |
| 06:36.11 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: it only matters if you want your ipv4 network to work correctly in all aspects; that includes the broadcast address |
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| 06:36.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, can't he use /16, then? Isn't all of 192.168 a private range, so it wouldn't collide with anything from the internet? |
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| 06:36.37 | Lingerance | Is there a way to make sure the package list of Machine A matches Machine B? |
| 06:37.12 | jelly-home | !tell Lingerance -about aptitude clone |
| 06:37.24 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: Maybe, but as jelly-home said, it'd result in his machine using the wrong broadcast address |
| 06:37.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, there's worse things in life than that :) |
| 06:37.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | but point taken |
| 06:38.10 | Wyzard | voodoo configuration is not a good habit to practice |
| 06:38.12 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: inject bogus packets in your ISPs network might not be taken lightly |
| 06:38.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, if the choice is no connectivity or no broadcast... |
| 06:38.39 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: the answer is, naturally, "ask the SP" |
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| 06:38.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, then he'll automatically have someone to help him and provide the correct information :))))) |
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| 06:39.06 | jelly-home | win! |
| 06:39.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | so there's no actual DOWNSIDE to it |
| 06:39.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, iirc, windows automatically suggests 255.255.0.0 |
| 06:39.57 | halflife08 | lingerance: are you trying to duplicate a install between just 2 systems or across many systems ? |
| 06:40.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if |
| 06:40.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's "not taken lightly", there should've been a lot of dead bodies been drifting down the river |
| 06:40.44 | Lingerance | halflife08: At this time, only two, but I'll need to do it later |
| 06:41.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lingerance, if you're cloning from scratch, tar or rsync are your friends |
| 06:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | or of course dd/cat/cp if the disk sizes match exactly :) |
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| 06:42.27 | Lingerance | Thanks for the suggestions |
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| 06:44.16 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: I just checked and Windows XP defaults to 255.255.255.0 when entering a static IP whose first octet is 192 |
| 06:44.38 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: You might be thinking of the 169.254.0.0/16 addresses that are used when there's no DHCP server available |
| 06:44.39 | jelly-home | Wyzard: what windows does is not relevant here |
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| 06:44.57 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I know; I was responding to <CutMeOwnThroat> actually, iirc, windows automatically suggests 255.255.0.0 |
| 06:45.06 | d-b | Wyzard: and ? |
| 06:45.24 | jelly-home | Wyzard: oh, the link-local thing |
| 06:45.26 | d-b | Wyzard: that's what most people use at home. |
| 06:45.41 | Wyzard | making the point that 192.168.0.0/16 is not typical |
| 06:45.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wyzard, interesting - well, that statement might well pre-date xp :) |
| 06:46.05 | jelly-home | d-b: it's not relevant for a user that needs to get their ISP settings _correct_ |
| 06:46.23 | d-b | jelly-home: ah i see. |
| 06:46.46 | d-b | so .. its a direct connection or something ? |
| 06:47.04 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: Before CIDR, using a netmask shorter than /24 for a 192.168 address was actually incorrect (192.168 was a range of class C addresses, not a class B) |
| 06:47.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's... something :) he wasn't so clear on it "The city network" |
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| 06:48.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
| 06:48.44 | Wyzard | goodnight |
| 06:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | and thanks, guess I learned a bit... mostly that I still got a lot to learn about networking :) |
| 06:49.17 | Wyzard | TCP/IP is fun :-) |
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| 06:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | true |
| 06:49.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | what would we do without it |
| 06:50.24 | Wyzard | sneakernet, of course |
| 06:50.33 | halflife08 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:51.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wyzard, that as well, is in its todays modern form CPIP - and hence a type of tcp/ip |
| 06:51.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | iirc |
| 06:51.42 | Lingerance | halflife08: I'm planning on having that setup later. At the moment we have higher priorities. Thanks. |
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| 06:52.20 | halflife08 | lingerance: another short cut would be to use dpkg --get-selections |
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| 06:52.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's hard to imagine a viable alternative to tcp/ip |
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| 07:04.14 | yoshimit | Hi ! I'm wondering if is possible to make a local mirror using the DVD image as source? any thought? |
| 07:05.48 | dondelelcaro | yoshimit: sure |
| 07:06.03 | dondelelcaro | yoshimit: but generally you're better off using the mirror scripts to make a local mirror |
| 07:06.13 | dondelelcaro | (unless your networking is really bad, anyway) |
| 07:07.27 | yoshimit | dondelelcaro: hmmm... I need to install 5 machines (using xen) and already have a lenny as iso image... so I trying to make a local mirror to use, instead of downloading all packages 5 times |
| 07:08.03 | yoshimit | dondelelcaro: so... can you point me to any material that I can learn how to make the local mirror using the iso image or cdrom ? |
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| 07:09.19 | zagibu | i think an ftp server with the cd's content should be enough, no? only works if your packages are actually on the disk, obviously... |
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| 07:10.03 | yoshimit | zagibu: hmmm... a simple copy (to ftp server) of cd's content will work ? |
| 07:10.20 | yoshimit | or... if someone knows how to tell xen to use an iso image as source... |
| 07:10.53 | yoshimit | I know that mirror accept file:/// but I can't figure out how to point my image to mirror... |
| 07:11.44 | zagibu | i only used xen with virt-manager, and there it was trivial to mount an iso image as cdrom for a machine...so I guess it's also trivial on the commandline |
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| 07:13.26 | yoshimit | hmm.... virt-manager... |
| 07:13.34 | yoshimit | I heard about it... never used... |
| 07:13.55 | yoshimit | is fully compatible with xen? or is a xen-tools-like ? |
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| 07:15.37 | zagibu | it is a gui frontend for several virtualhosts |
| 07:15.44 | zagibu | i used it for xen and kvm |
| 07:15.53 | yoshimit | ahh |
| 07:15.57 | zagibu | but here is a snippet for a xen cfg file: disk = [ 'file:/xenimages/winXP.img,ioemu:hda,w', 'file:/xenimages/wxp_multil_cd1.iso,hdc:cdrom,r' ] |
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| 07:16.10 | yoshimit | I'm googling... |
| 07:16.13 | zagibu | the second file: bla should mount an iso as cdrom for a machine |
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| 07:16.30 | zagibu | do you have such a config file? |
| 07:16.38 | zagibu | in /etc/xen, maybe? |
| 07:17.21 | yoshimit | no... but I'll take a look in this virt-manager... it will save me... |
| 07:17.32 | yoshimit | zagibu: thank you... lets google... :) |
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| 07:22.29 | tarzeau | how can i take two lines of input and put them on one line? awk? perl? |
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| 07:23.55 | avu | tarzeau, do you only have those two lines? or more lines and want to join every two to one? |
| 07:24.19 | avu | tarzeau, because if it's just the two, you could just delete the \n with tr(1) or replace it with a ' ' using sed(1) |
| 07:24.20 | tarzeau | avu: many those lines |
| 07:24.49 | avu | tarzeau, so you have n lines and want every two joined so you end up with n/2 lines? |
| 07:24.55 | tarzeau | avu: yes |
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| 07:25.36 | tarzeau | or sed? |
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| 07:26.44 | avu | tarzeau, perl -lne 'if($i%2){print $l.$_;$l=""}else{$l.=$_}$i++' for example |
| 07:26.53 | tarzeau | yuck |
| 07:26.54 | avu | tarzeau, I'm sure it can be done shorter/better though |
| 07:27.00 | tarzeau | yes i want the shorter something |
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| 07:27.47 | avu | ah, also that swallows the last line if n is uneven |
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| 07:29.06 | avu | so perl -lne 'if($i%2){print$l.$_;$l=""}else{$l=$_}$i++;END{print$l}' is what I'd use. I don't go for short but easy/fast to write :) |
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| 07:33.25 | avu | tarzeau, here you go though: awk 'NR%2==0{print l $0}NR%2{l=$0}END{if(NR%2)print l}' |
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| 07:34.23 | caraconan | Hi. Is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ down? |
| 07:34.41 | tarzeau | avu: perfect thanks :) |
| 07:35.04 | bartmon | caraconan: I'm getting timeouts as well. |
| 07:35.22 | caraconan | Ok, thanks |
| 07:35.30 | herakles | Hi, I've a problem with one of my Debian servers. I use alias for a few commands which I define in .bashrc. But on this box it doesn't work. I'm not sure if it doesn't read .bashrc file or simply skip aliases. What could be the problem? |
| 07:36.02 | avu | herakles, to see if your .bashrc is read, just put an echo in there :) |
| 07:36.39 | avu | herakles, and if it is read but your aliases don't work, set +x might help. |
| 07:37.30 | avu | herakles, to look up what files bash executes under what conditions, see INVOCATION in bash(1) |
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| 07:38.01 | herakles | avu, No it seems .bashrc isn't readed |
| 07:38.13 | floerp | hi, fto.debian.org is not reachable for me. what would be the domain for a german mirror? |
| 07:38.18 | floerp | *ftp |
| 07:38.24 | avu | floerp, ftp.de.debian.org |
| 07:38.30 | avu | you should be using that mirror anyway |
| 07:38.39 | herakles | avu, I've checked file permissions on my other boxs and tried exactly same files with same permissions but no luck |
| 07:38.41 | floerp | cheers |
| 07:38.48 | valdyn | herakles: see ~/.bash_profile, the # include .bashrc if it exists part |
| 07:38.59 | Arrowmaster | herakles: do you also have a .profile? |
| 07:39.18 | herakles | Arrowmaster, valdyn No, there isn't any bash_profile file |
| 07:39.38 | valdyn | herakles: why isnt there? |
| 07:39.49 | avu | herakles, again, see INVOCATION |
| 07:39.52 | valdyn | herakles: are you even using bash? |
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| 07:39.59 | herakles | valdyn, Yes |
| 07:40.04 | {g} | Hey People! Whats a good way to get the load of a server? you kow, the value that is displayd in top as "load average". |
| 07:40.07 | {g} | i need it as a variable like myload=`somecommand` |
| 07:40.10 | avu | herakles, bashrc is only read for non-login shells |
| 07:40.17 | tarzeau | {g}: uptime ? |
| 07:40.19 | valdyn | herakles: try ~/.profile then |
| 07:40.44 | tarzeau | {g}: uptime | sed "s,.*:,," |
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| 07:40.55 | valdyn | herakles: its the same deal with that one. it should # include .bashrc if it exists |
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| 07:41.22 | herakles | valdyn, This is a default installation I did a few days ago. There is no .profile file either |
| 07:41.29 | Trewas | {g}: the values are in /proc/loadavg |
| 07:41.31 | {g} | tarzeau: uptime comes back empty on that server |
| 07:41.35 | {g} | what was the command to redirect stdError to stdOut? |
| 07:41.37 | {g} | i would like to see if uptime throws an error. |
| 07:41.41 | valdyn | herakles: maybe a default install, but not a properly created user |
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| 07:41.54 | tarzeau | {g}: what do you get when you just say uptime? is it debian? linux? |
| 07:41.55 | avu | (unless he messe with /etc/skel) |
| 07:42.24 | valdyn | herakles: maybe you want to copy /etc/skel/ contents to ~/ manually |
| 07:42.32 | valdyn | herakles: ls -al /etc/skel/ |
| 07:42.44 | herakles | valdyn, I've copied .bash_profile from another box and it's working now |
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| 07:42.53 | {g} | tarzeau: i get no output at all. how do i check the distribution? |
| 07:43.20 | tarzeau | {g}: lsb_release -d |
| 07:43.46 | {g} | tarzeau: -bash: lsb_release: command not found |
| 07:44.06 | JohnQ | Does hdparm work with sata drives? |
| 07:44.12 | tarzeau | JohnQ: yes |
| 07:44.18 | JohnQ | hm |
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| 07:44.27 | tarzeau | {g}: apt-get install lsb-release |
| 07:44.32 | {g} | tarzeau: its not my server |
| 07:44.35 | JohnQ | When I run hdparm on my drive, it can't tell me what mode it is in, and I cant seem to effect any changes to its settings: http://paste.linuxassist.net/214397 Any ideas why this might be? (kernel 2.6.23) |
| 07:44.42 | tarzeau | {g}: just type apt-get |
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| 07:44.47 | tarzeau | {g}: does it exist? |
| 07:44.48 | {g} | tarzeau: i can see the load averages in top |
| 07:44.56 | {g} | tarzeau: i cannot install stuff on that server |
| 07:45.08 | tarzeau | {g}: are you use it's debian? |
| 07:45.19 | tarzeau | {g}: i've never seen a debian system with a not working uptime, except Hurd |
| 07:45.28 | {g} | tarzeau: since top can find the load averages, i can probably too somehow. but i wonder how. |
| 07:46.06 | tarzeau | {g}: you could use top -n 1 |
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| 07:46.09 | wamty | Has anyone tried that new kfreebsd arch from debian? Is it even out yet? |
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| 07:46.20 | tarzeau | {g}: with | head -1 |
| 07:46.31 | valdyn | wamty: its been "out" for years |
| 07:46.34 | {g} | tarzeau: and then parse the output? |
| 07:46.37 | jelly-home | JohnQ: for sata, the controller drivers set the dma mode used; hdparm can't change it |
| 07:46.39 | tarzeau | wamty: yes, well it's cool |
| 07:46.54 | tarzeau | wamty: you say new, but it's there for several years now |
| 07:46.56 | JohnQ | jelly-home: ah. That makes sense. |
| 07:47.04 | tarzeau | {g}: same command i gave you above |
| 07:47.26 | JohnQ | strangely it claims that it is in 16-bit mode. |
| 07:47.37 | jelly-home | JohnQ: though my intel mainboard driver reports it: UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 |
| 07:47.46 | JohnQ | hmm |
| 07:47.49 | wamty | I didn't know it was out |
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| 07:48.24 | wamty | I really did not know that... I guess I'll have to try it then :) |
| 07:48.42 | {g} | tarzeau: top -n1 | head -1 | sed "s,.*:,," gives me 3 numbers and whitespaces |
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| 07:49.12 | wamty | i thought latest snapshot for 5.0 version includes the kfreebsd. |
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| 07:49.17 | zagibu | {g}: aren't those the load numbers? |
| 07:49.59 | {g} | zagibu: i only want the first number |
| 07:49.59 | JohnQ | My machine is running mythtv, so it spends a lot of time reading and writing large files with mostly sequential access. I was hoping to make some changes w/ hdparm to make it better suited to that task, but it seems that hdparm doesn't like my drive |
| 07:50.06 | zagibu | {g}: you can use cut on this output and save them in variables |
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| 07:50.47 | {g} | zagibu: i think i will use php to extract the number in top. im better in php. it has nice regular expressions. |
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| 07:51.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | how can i determine which drive is ata 5? (eg, syslog is filling with '[ timestamp] ata5: hard resetting link' and similar errors) |
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| 07:52.47 | {g} | oh! |
| 07:52.49 | {g} | cat /proc/loadavg |
| 07:52.53 | {g} | thats even nicer |
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| 07:54.55 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: ataX is a controller. zgrep ata5 /var/log/kern.log.* |
| 07:55.05 | {g} | so in php its $load=substr(file_get_contents ("/proc/loadavg"),0,4); |
| 07:55.10 | cahoot | Kamping_Kaiser: study the directories in /dev/disk perhaps |
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| 07:55.32 | zagibu | {g}: you better learn about shell tools, if you are serious about linux |
| 07:55.39 | zagibu | cut is pretty standard |
| 07:55.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, cheers. that could be nasty then. |
| 07:55.51 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: well, start with the latest log /var/log/kern.log |
| 07:55.52 | {g} | zagibu: i need the load in a php script anyway. |
| 07:55.58 | zagibu | okay, then |
| 07:56.19 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: it could just mean your drivers don't support a device on that bus very well |
| 07:56.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | cahoot, ack that too. :) |
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| 07:57.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, its happened with multiple live cds, so i suspect hardware (will keep hopeful though) |
| 07:58.01 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: it could be the cdrom/dvd device itself |
| 07:58.06 | mashman | what is the minimum memory harddrive and cpu requirements for debian ? |
| 07:58.56 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: however if you hear disks spinning down and up often, that's not good for them |
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| 08:00.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, i've had heaps of issues with the company, so i'm perfectly willing to believe $something in there is broken |
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| 08:12.49 | JohnQ | is ftp.debian.org being flakey? apt-get update is hanging try to connect to it |
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| 08:14.20 | dondelelcaro | JohnQ: use a different mirror |
| 08:14.32 | dondelelcaro | (there's pretty much no reason to use ftp.debian.org) |
| 08:14.45 | JohnQ | it was the default :-) |
| 08:15.18 | JohnQ | is there a nicer way to change the mirror than manually editing the sources.list? |
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| 08:19.55 | {g} | How can I show the output of "cat /proc/loadavg" again and again below each other? like the output of ping or "vmstat 1" |
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| 08:21.23 | Guerin | {g}: while true, do cat /proc/loadavg; sleep 30; done |
| 08:21.29 | Guerin | will show it every 30 seconds |
| 08:21.41 | flokuehn | you could do that with watch cat /prog/loadavg |
| 08:21.50 | Guerin | yeah, since it's a file |
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| 08:22.33 | {g} | Guerin: thanks |
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| 08:23.37 | {g} | I need a way to bring load over 1. any good idea? |
| 08:23.47 | JohnQ | hehe |
| 08:23.53 | stidnam | Hi has anyone else found the official ATI fglrx sh package won't run in unstable as it can't detect the xorg version in unstable? |
| 08:24.09 | JohnQ | yes > /dev/null & |
| 08:24.13 | JohnQ | twce |
| 08:24.19 | JohnQ | twice :-P |
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| 08:24.57 | xingu | !describe cpuburn |
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| 08:25.18 | xingu | !info cpuburn |
| 08:25.34 | zagibu | or you could do dd if=/dev/urandom and pipe it into bzip2 or something |
| 08:25.38 | dpkg | cpuburn: (a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.4-38 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 08:26.14 | JohnQ | There we go. Upgraded hdparm, and ir seems happy now. |
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| 08:27.30 | {g} | JohnQ: thanks, the yes trick worked. |
| 08:28.05 | JohnQ | Good thing I decided against a fork bomb. |
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| 08:40.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | I have no idea how to configure grub2 :\ hope its easier then itslooking |
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| 08:43.24 | OpenTokix | Do anyone know if debian lenny supports machines with new intel nahelem xeons, straight out of the box? |
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| 08:51.56 | dondelelcaro | OpenTokix: the cpu is, but whether the rest is depends on the chipsets. |
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| 08:54.36 | OpenTokix | dondelelcaro: Intel 5520 Tylersburg chipset |
| 08:54.53 | tombs | I have a fresh install, and I'm facing this problem: dpkg: error processing python-elementtree (--configure): |
| 08:54.58 | tombs | any idea please? |
| 08:55.28 | tombs | http://rafb.net/p/DUjfWu65.html |
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| 09:01.11 | bzed | tombs: fixed already, the new package will migrate to testing tomorrow |
| 09:01.38 | tombs | bzed: great! thanx man |
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| 09:02.58 | tombs | bzed> btw...do you have a bug report # or so ? |
| 09:03.14 | bzed | tombs: #524303 |
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| 09:03.28 | enekismo | hola |
| 09:03.43 | tombs | bzed> thanx again :) |
| 09:03.56 | mihkel | Hi. Question about aptitude. Why I can't see package changelogs? http://paste.debian.net/33739/ |
| 09:03.57 | bzed | tombs: you're welcome |
| 09:04.03 | mihkel | Running debian lenny |
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| 09:05.32 | bzed | tombs: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=elementtree |
| 09:06.37 | tombs | I see now that you are devel.. |
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| 09:07.28 | jelly | mihkel: changelog fetching for packages on security.debian.org seems to be broken at times |
| 09:07.32 | tombs | I just found it weird...after a fresh install |
| 09:07.34 | tombs | :/ |
| 09:08.10 | mihkel | jelly, ok. good to know it's no my configuration |
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| 09:09.15 | wamty | can anyone recommend how to induce packet collision on linux? i've been using tc / qdisc / netem for duplication, BER, latency etc, but it doesn't 'do' collision |
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| 09:10.15 | jelly | wamty: do you have two devices on the same physical network? |
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| 09:11.11 | martian67 | wamty, packet collision is not a software situation |
| 09:11.27 | martian67 | it is litterally when two electrical signals meet and mangle each other |
| 09:11.50 | martian67 | so because the ethernet card will not expose that functionality at all |
| 09:11.57 | martian67 | there is no way to "simulate it" |
| 09:12.05 | martian67 | beyond packet loss/latency increases |
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| 09:12.24 | jelly | martian67: well, it could be forced by carefully injecting packets over two devices |
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| 09:12.28 | wamty | i'd like to avoid having to actually craft the packets, or script the crafting of them - that was my hacky idea, i.e. to use an until loop with tshark to statistically craft identical packets |
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| 09:12.48 | martian67 | wamty, that was nothing to do with a packet collision |
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| 09:12.59 | wamty | but it's so inelegant compared to the autonomous way i can do the other 'bits' like BER and duplication |
| 09:13.01 | martian67 | jelly, i suppose sure |
| 09:13.05 | wamty | and it seems it'd be a substantial project in itself |
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| 09:13.28 | martian67 | wamty, a colided packet |
| 09:13.34 | martian67 | dosent "look" like anything |
| 09:13.37 | jelly | wamty: it's not a "bit" |
| 09:13.39 | martian67 | from a software perspective |
| 09:13.42 | martian67 | it never reaches the os |
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| 09:14.39 | martian67 | nothing uses hubs anymore anyways |
| 09:14.43 | martian67 | why is this even relevant? |
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| 09:16.46 | aLeSD | hi all |
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| 09:17.03 | aLeSD | I installed the rt73-source package ... how could I compile it ? |
| 09:17.31 | halflife08 | aLeSD: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:17.44 | aLeSD | halflife08: thanks |
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| 09:19.04 | halflife08 | hmmn what happened to the dpkg bot ? |
| 09:19.15 | halflife08 | is it still broken from the other day / |
| 09:19.17 | halflife08 | ? |
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| 09:27.19 | zu22 | i did an upgrade in lenny and now my /etc/init.d/apache2 file is empty :( |
| 09:27.30 | zu22 | know where i can get a replacement file to stick in there? |
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| 09:37.56 | |wekt| | Some program is replacing my /etc/resolv.conf file with an invalid one. What might it be? how can I find out what program is doing it? I do not have resolvconf installed. I use PPPOE, but do not have option usepeerdns set. I do not use DHCP. |
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| 09:40.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | |wekt|, dhclient perhaps |
| 09:40.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | |wekt|, or network-manager |
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| 09:41.29 | cahoot | |wekt|: you're sure dhclient isn't at work? |
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| 09:43.08 | |wekt| | cahoot: I don't have /etc/network/interfaces set up to do dhcp so I would think it should not. |
| 09:43.10 | jaggz-1 | where do I configure the system font display? something happened in my new install and they suddenly got really ugly |
| 09:43.17 | jaggz-1 | on all windows |
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| 09:43.29 | jaggz-1 | (I'm using xfce but it seems to be just as ugly under gnome) |
| 09:43.45 | cahoot | jaggz-: I check what dpi got set to |
| 09:43.54 | jaggz-1 | I found it.. yeah, I adjusted DPI twice |
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| 09:44.32 | jaggz-1 | I don't know why it's so weird.. I have it set to 90 right now (91.something being true for the display, but 90 being a multiple of 6 which it recommends) |
| 09:44.51 | cahoot | jaggz-: might be the automagic calculation gets it wrong unless one defines DisplaySize |
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| 09:45.49 | jaggz-1 | could be.. I added one option to my xorg.conf to allow the vga output (this is a laptop) .. if I recall correctly this happened after that change (and an x restart) .. but being that this is a newly installed debian I made other changes too |
| 09:46.20 | jaggz-1 | oh, actually I guess I didn't add it: #Option "BIOSHotkeys" "on" |
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| 09:46.25 | jaggz-1 | it's commented out. hah. |
| 09:47.56 | jaggz-1 | maybe that's why the key isn't working to toggle it still |
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| 09:58.02 | jaggz-1 | hinting, cahoot |
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| 09:58.38 | jaggz-1 | they look a lot nicer, for me, with hinting off |
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| 10:02.19 | |wekt| | hinting may (should be) better for low DPI displays. |
| 10:03.18 | jaggz-1 | I'd have thought the same.. but the chars seem to have a nicer proportion without it, even on low hinting |
| 10:03.52 | jaggz-1 | hey, why's this smb mount of an XP share so strange... all the files have the S(sticky right?) bit set |
| 10:04.02 | jaggz-1 | rwxrwSrwx |
| 10:05.09 | jaggz-1 | the same exact mounting options (fstab) are used for other shares of remote linux samba [shares] and they seem to be fine |
| 10:05.52 | jaggz-1 | in fact, the ugo modes are carried through too.. haven't paid attention to that but I didn't think samba supported it |
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| 10:07.18 | DEopen | salam |
| 10:07.24 | DEopen | injaa iraani ham hast? |
| 10:07.45 | DEopen | bebakhshid |
| 10:07.52 | DEopen | ye soal daashtam |
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| 10:08.03 | amphi | DEopen: this is an english language channel |
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| 10:08.08 | Vonor | o/ |
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| 10:08.19 | DEopen | darbaareye barnaame nevisie cpp rouye linux |
| 10:08.49 | Vonor | anyone know whats the package name for the dev library of blowfish? (and the binary lib, of course) |
| 10:09.16 | DEopen | blowFish? |
| 10:09.20 | DEopen | wht thats? |
| 10:09.56 | amphi | an encryption algorithm |
| 10:10.00 | xingu | Vonor: libmcrypt-dev has an implementation |
| 10:10.15 | DEopen | dev library like standard library in cpp? |
| 10:10.32 | Eulex | !test |
| 10:10.36 | Vonor | xingu, thanks |
| 10:10.37 | jaggz-1 | deopen: soal bepors |
| 10:10.43 | amphi | no bot :( |
| 10:10.46 | DEopen | ahaaa |
| 10:10.49 | DEopen | migam man mikhaam |
| 10:10.52 | Vonor | tries to compile zebedee on lenny sparc |
| 10:10.53 | DEopen | barnaamenevisi |
| 10:11.00 | DEopen | vase linux ro shorou konam |
| 10:11.01 | jaggz-1 | If you speak English a little, ask in English. |
| 10:11.04 | kd394817175 | finnish? |
| 10:11.04 | zu22 | !english |
| 10:11.11 | zu22 | :D |
| 10:11.11 | DEopen | srry |
| 10:11.12 | DEopen | k |
| 10:11.13 | amphi | .ir |
| 10:11.27 | zu22 | Vonor: wow a sparcstatiojn |
| 10:11.29 | zu22 | cool |
| 10:11.30 | jaggz-1 | especially because I'm not iranian |
| 10:11.31 | kd394817175 | farsi_ |
| 10:11.40 | Vonor | zu22, nope, a netra :) |
| 10:11.41 | zu22 | jaggz: bah bah bah |
| 10:11.42 | kd394817175 | finnish or farsi? |
| 10:11.43 | jaggz-1 | you want to write a cpp? |
| 10:11.44 | DEopen | i wana programing by c++ for linux |
| 10:11.44 | zu22 | Vonor: ah |
| 10:11.58 | DEopen | yep |
| 10:11.58 | zu22 | DEopen: where do you live? |
| 10:12.09 | DEopen | i live in iraan |
| 10:12.19 | DEopen | :D |
| 10:12.22 | zu22 | DEopen: hallah hallah hallah iran iran iran, i heard this song :) |
| 10:12.33 | DEopen | rofl |
| 10:12.45 | zu22 | DEopen: do you support Ayatollah Khomeini? |
| 10:13.00 | DEopen | rofl |
| 10:13.02 | amphi | zu22: such stuff is for #politics |
| 10:13.03 | rofl | yep |
| 10:13.04 | zu22 | :D |
| 10:13.04 | DEopen | you kidding |
| 10:13.06 | zu22 | amphi: ok |
| 10:13.08 | sepski | zu22, #debian-offtopic ? |
| 10:13.15 | DEopen | oh srry |
| 10:13.17 | zu22 | DEopen: to compile C++ code in linux use program: g++ |
| 10:13.21 | zu22 | speski: hehe |
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| 10:13.24 | DEopen | yep this is offtopic |
| 10:13.29 | DEopen | i want programing |
| 10:13.37 | zu22 | rofl: haha your name is rofl! lol |
| 10:13.38 | DEopen | for Debian oprating |
| 10:13.44 | DEopen | oprator* |
| 10:13.54 | DEopen | can you help me? |
| 10:13.59 | zu22 | DEopen: join ##c or #c++ , my advice use g++ compiler |
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| 10:14.20 | DEopen | nice one |
| 10:14.22 | jaggz-1 | yes, install g++ |
| 10:14.24 | jaggz-1 | and manpages-dev |
| 10:14.26 | DEopen | ty for every things |
| 10:14.34 | DEopen | k |
| 10:14.44 | zu22 | DEopen: have fun programming :) |
| 10:15.00 | DEopen | join #c++ |
| 10:15.09 | zu22 | koda hafez |
| 10:15.29 | zu22 | DEopen: ok see you later |
| 10:15.30 | Eulex | rofl, that nick must generate a lot of unsolicited highlighting :) |
| 10:15.38 | rofl | Eulex: you are correct |
| 10:15.38 | rofl | :D |
| 10:15.38 | zu22 | Eulex: indeed hehe |
| 10:15.42 | rofl | some dare /nick lol ? |
| 10:15.42 | rofl | :D |
| 10:15.48 | zu22 | all we need are users "lol" and "lmao" |
| 10:15.52 | zu22 | rofl: XD |
| 10:15.53 | jaggz-1 | va chand tA webpages bekhun |
| 10:16.01 | Eulex | a debian developer does under the nick "lool" |
| 10:16.01 | jaggz-1 | (and read a few webpages) |
| 10:16.04 | Eulex | *goes |
| 10:16.07 | zu22 | Eulex: haha |
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| 10:36.48 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. When I upgrade a package and there's config file conflicts, where's the new dpkg-new config file stored? |
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| 10:56.21 | caraconan | Hi. How can I make a mv to a file called, for instance. --- my file.rar ? |
| 10:56.35 | caraconan | That's is, with special characters like - |
| 10:57.23 | caraconan | The exact name of the file: |
| 10:57.36 | frostschutz | caraconan: use -- to prevent further options, i.e. mv -- --- file.rar |
| 10:57.48 | caraconan | ok, I will try |
| 10:57.51 | caraconan | thanks |
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| 11:02.35 | SQlvpapir | is ftp.debian undergoing maintainance or something like that? |
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| 11:04.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | SQlvpapir, its not publicly accessible anymore |
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| 11:04.30 | Umren | wtf |
| 11:04.33 | Umren | why so? |
| 11:04.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | well, iirc its not. |
| 11:05.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | Umren, because it was getting hammered senseless. your meant to use a local mirror |
| 11:05.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | ftp.cc.debian.org |
| 11:05.24 | martian67 | why dont they just use geo dns |
| 11:05.49 | Umren | im using it ;) just was wondering ;) |
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| 11:06.12 | mib_k7parh | hi |
| 11:06.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | Umren, the mirrors are set to a local mirror at install time |
| 11:06.28 | mib_k7parh | now that madwifi is gone from sid, what is the replacement? |
| 11:07.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | depends why its removed |
| 11:07.37 | mib_k7parh | supposedly because there is a better driver available (ath5k or something) |
| 11:07.42 | SQlvpapir | Kamping_Kaiser: my local mirror (dk) is often hopelessly out of sync, sometimes packages are not available etc... it always gets fixed by jumping back to ftp.debian.org |
| 11:07.50 | mib_k7parh | yet it is not included in the kernel, and there seems to be no package for it |
| 11:07.54 | mib_k7parh | so I am a bit confused |
| 11:08.06 | martian67 | SQlvpapir, use another .eu mirror |
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| 11:08.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | mib_k7parh, pretty sure ath5k is patched into debian kernels |
| 11:08.26 | mib_k7parh | ugh... and how do I get it separately? I do not run debian kernels |
| 11:08.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | SQlvpapir, ah, nasty. perhaps add ftp.de (or $other server near by) too |
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| 11:09.12 | |wekt| | mib_k7parh: most recent kernels have ath5k. linux-image-2.6.29 does. It is in unstable or experimental for x86. |
| 11:09.15 | mib_k7parh | or is my only option a vanilla kernel patch in this case? |
| 11:09.35 | mib_k7parh | I use vanilla kernels only, not debian supplied ones |
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| 11:10.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | then use a .29 vanila |
| 11:10.42 | mib_k7parh | which doesn't have it... |
| 11:10.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | mib_k7parh, bonus : with .29 you get tuz ;D |
| 11:10.59 | SQlvpapir_ | Kamping_Kaiser: I added .se so lets hope they know what they are doing in sweden :) |
| 11:10.59 | |wekt| | vanilla 2.6.29 has ath5k. |
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| 11:11.15 | mib_k7parh | ah shit this is .28 |
| 11:11.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | SQlvpapir_, hehe. good luck :) |
| 11:11.17 | mib_k7parh | excuse the noise |
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| 11:11.55 | mib_k7parh | Kamping_Kaiser: what's tuz? |
| 11:12.19 | mib_k7parh | omg |
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| 11:12.26 | mib_k7parh | jfgi |
| 11:12.39 | mib_k7parh | this is horrible, do people still have this ugly whatever on their boot screens? |
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| 11:12.42 | mib_k7parh | horrified |
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| 11:13.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | isnt sure what mib_k7parh is horrified at, but lets him be |
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| 11:16.40 | bpun | hi |
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| 11:17.49 | caraconan | And to rm a file with special characters? |
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| 11:18.27 | bpun | caraconan, "-" -> rm ./- |
| 11:18.48 | bpun | caraconan, "./" means current folder |
| 11:18.50 | caraconan | ok, I will try, but there strange characters |
| 11:18.53 | caraconan | ok |
| 11:19.13 | caraconan | CAMI�N |
| 11:19.22 | caraconan | For instance is part of the filename |
| 11:19.27 | caraconan | I can't delete it |
| 11:19.30 | petemc | rm -- CAM<tab> |
| 11:19.35 | bpun | caraconan, ur terminal is set at a language set differnt than the filename's encoding |
| 11:20.42 | caraconan | I can't convert it with iconv |
| 11:20.57 | bpun | caraconan, u can use "rm -i CAM*" << -i can confirm.. and then ctl-c, if it continues to other files u want to keep |
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| 11:21.26 | caraconan | Does'nt works |
| 11:22.14 | bpun | caraconan, well what did u try? |
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| 11:22.25 | toshiba510cdt | can anyone recommend me a free as in freedom graphical web browser that supports frames, javascript and *stable* https that works on a Pentium 120 Mhz 80 MB RAM. |
| 11:22.27 | bpun | caraconan, did u try mc ? |
| 11:22.43 | toshiba510cdt | dillo is not what i am after |
| 11:22.44 | caraconan | `rm ./'- CAMI�N MORE MORE.rar'' |
| 11:22.47 | caraconan | It works |
| 11:22.51 | caraconan | Thanks to all |
| 11:22.55 | bpun | caraconan, mosaic |
| 11:23.13 | caraconan | mosaic? |
| 11:23.40 | toshiba510cdt | and it should currently developed and well supported |
| 11:23.43 | bpun | caraconan, u messing around? lol |
| 11:24.23 | bpun | caraconan, did doing an undelete challenge-> rm -rf / !!! |
| 11:24.31 | bpun | caraconan, I DARE YOU! |
| 11:24.48 | bpun | ponders that rm -rf / is very dangerous and u should not do it |
| 11:25.17 | caraconan | Yes, you're right... it's a bad usage... |
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| 11:26.55 | bpun | caraconan, nah the usage is correct.. but i'm wondering if u are intentionally making these names from poor scripts or are trying to mess ur system to the point of ultimate chaos |
| 11:27.28 | bpun | caraconan, rm ./- is not dangerous but the other one is .. just letting any newbs to know that in here.. |
| 11:27.30 | petemc | .rar more often than not indicates warez |
| 11:27.35 | caraconan | No, it's no important: mldonkey files |
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| 11:29.06 | bpun | caraconan, if u wanted to list a "-bcd" named file.. u can of course use ./-<rest> .. same thing of course |
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| 11:29.24 | bpun | caraconan, (for usage with any other command) |
| 11:29.36 | caraconan | No, I simply want to delete a file, but I can't... |
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| 11:30.21 | caraconan | The file has a � |
| 11:30.22 | bpun | caraconan, are you summarizing or still at another? |
| 11:30.43 | caraconan | the same file |
| 11:30.50 | caraconan | Finally I can't deleted it |
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| 11:31.16 | bpun | caraconan, is this on ext3 this file? |
| 11:31.27 | caraconan | Yes |
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| 11:31.39 | bpun | caraconan, can u echo it? echo * ? |
| 11:31.43 | p0g0 | caraconan: use mc and it's F8 command (midnight commander)- I've found it works with most wierd names. |
| 11:31.51 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 11:31.59 | caraconan | Both, local and remote machine es_ES.UTF-8 locales |
| 11:32.02 | abrotman | caraconan: what's the file name? |
| 11:32.16 | bpun | abrotman, its a question mark |
| 11:32.19 | bpun | abrotman, hahaha |
| 11:32.28 | abrotman | tried quoting? or escaping? |
| 11:32.41 | bpun | "caraconan, The file has a � " |
| 11:32.44 | caraconan | 1 second |
| 11:33.02 | abrotman | like rm "foo?adsf" |
| 11:33.10 | bpun | abrotman, u should let him diagnose it... |
| 11:33.16 | bpun | abrotman, makes him better at it :) |
| 11:33.19 | abrotman | though it might be easier to rm "foo<tab>" |
| 11:33.44 | caraconan | Now the character appears like ? |
| 11:34.19 | bpun | caraconan, u can rename the file with mc? |
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| 11:34.43 | caraconan | I have to first change sources.list (ftp.debian.org is down) :) |
| 11:35.12 | bpun | caraconan, then use a closer mirror from the mirrorlist |
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| 11:35.39 | caraconan | I doing know |
| 11:36.11 | abrotman | like ftp.es.debian.org |
| 11:36.29 | bpun | caraconan, u can probably use mv with '*' between the begining and ending of the name.. (mv can rename files) |
| 11:36.52 | bpun | wonders if the growing number of users in here are actually using debian or not |
| 11:37.05 | caraconan | well, I will try. Know I'm updating aptitude... |
| 11:37.10 | abrotman | wonders if bpun's 'y' and 'u' keys are broken |
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| 11:37.32 | bpun | caraconan, http://debian.org/mirrors/list .. if it helps |
| 11:37.33 | abrotman | uh .. 'o' |
| 11:37.46 | bpun | abrotman, the channel was out of service earlier.. mind me telling u in this saying.. |
| 11:38.00 | caraconan | Yes, I know but it's so slooooooow (I'm workin through ssh) |
| 11:38.02 | bpun | says yankee doodle do |
| 11:38.13 | abrotman | bpun: that doesn't make sense |
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| 11:39.18 | bpun | abrotman, i think he already knows a few of us are helping him.. |
| 11:39.37 | bpun | abrotman, u can continue doing what u were doing if u think u'r so smart on question marks.. |
| 11:40.00 | caraconan | I can't believe it.... 10 minutos to dpkg -i mc.deb ... |
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| 11:41.27 | miodi | am i wrong or is there a difference in hardware detection when installing a different DE than Gnome? |
| 11:41.47 | abrotman | bpun: you're still not making sense |
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| 11:41.58 | abrotman | miodi: difference in what way? |
| 11:42.31 | miodi | some hardware don't work the same way when i install Gnome compared to xfce |
| 11:43.19 | abrotman | such as what? |
| 11:43.22 | bpun | caraconan, mv abc*def someothername << fails too ? |
| 11:43.43 | abrotman | if he can't rm it, he won't be able to mv it with the same kind of command |
| 11:43.56 | miodi | well for example my touchpad has scrolling working perfectly on gnome |
| 11:44.16 | caraconan | <bpun> I still trying to dpke -i..... |
| 11:44.20 | caraconan | dpkg -i |
| 11:44.31 | abrotman | miodi: there might be a gnome applet to help with the configuring of the scroll pad |
| 11:44.44 | bpun | abrotman, u take care of him.. he's wasting time with mc then.. |
| 11:44.59 | abrotman | that's not necessarily true |
| 11:45.03 | SQlvpapir_ | miodi: you can specify touchpad scrollin in your xorg.conf |
| 11:45.19 | caraconan | The file is: |
| 11:45.29 | caraconan | - MYFILE? MORE MORE.rar |
| 11:45.33 | miodi | SQlvpapir_: i know, i tried :) |
| 11:45.35 | SQlvpapir_ | but I bet there is some synaptics-like gui to help you |
| 11:45.54 | SQlvpapir_ | like gsynaptics but for xfce ;) |
| 11:45.57 | abrotman | caraconan: oh jeez .. `rm -- "- MYFILE? MORE MORE.rar"` |
| 11:46.19 | caraconan | <bpun> [SOLVED] workaround. first mv, then rm |
| 11:46.27 | caraconan | Thanks to all a lot |
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| 11:47.03 | bpun | caraconan, there's many ways of doing it.. if in doubt use '*' with "rm -i" ... |
| 11:47.04 | miodi | SQlvpapir_: i tried it but i complained about having to edit the xorg.conf file and when i edited it and rebooted, the xorg server wouldn't start because of the change i made to the config file |
| 11:47.17 | miodi | *it complained |
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| 11:48.32 | bpun | miodi, computers don't complain.. they just snafu |
| 11:48.36 | Vonor | bpun, try deleting a file called "-i" :D |
| 11:49.00 | Vonor | rm * won't do it and rm -i neither...just as hints :D |
| 11:49.10 | abrotman | Vonor: rm -- -i |
| 11:49.11 | bpun | Vonor, we already talked about this... one can just use ./-<rip> ! |
| 11:49.18 | miodi | bpun: sorry, not familiar with that kinda slang :D |
| 11:49.31 | Vonor | abrotman, spoiler :D |
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| 11:49.49 | Vonor | bpun, yeah, thats one way, another is what abrotman said :) |
| 11:49.57 | bpun | miodi, i didn't know computers are sensational.. |
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| 11:50.07 | bpun | Vonor, whatever works for u |
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| 11:51.09 | bpun | Vonor, if u want to play with the bot pet, go ahead.. his name is dpkg.. u can ask him anything u like.. marriage, drinks, etc, etc... |
| 11:51.11 | miodi | bpun: sorry, didn't quite grasp that, cos I'm from Finland, ie. english is my second language :P |
| 11:51.32 | Vonor | personally i like the idea of having a file called -i in every folder with the immutable bit set...i just have a need for that on my systems, since _i_ know what am doing and noone else has access to my systems :) |
| 11:51.43 | bpun | miodi, logs are in /var/log (/var/log/X*?) |
| 11:51.58 | abrotman | bpun: dpkg isn't here right now |
| 11:52.20 | Vonor | i just have no need* |
| 11:53.10 | bpun | what's this, you two want to make out, i really don't care which of XXX ways type commands.. I'm not fond of screwing around in the command line like u two... |
| 11:53.30 | abrotman | bpun: the *bot* isn't here right now |
| 11:53.33 | chfwiggum | hi all!i try to install from my external dvd drive connected via usb and it seems the installer won't find my ethernet card. i tried the expert install but i couldn't find a way to chose the right kernel module.any idea how to teach the installer which ethernet card to use? tia |
| 11:53.43 | bpun | abrotman, so have sex with Vonor.. what do i care? |
| 11:53.44 | bpun | lol |
| 11:53.54 | abrotman | bpun: that's really inappropriate |
| 11:54.07 | bpun | thinks abrtoman is trolling |
| 11:54.14 | Vonor | that was a very silly and uncalled for statement, bpun |
| 11:54.14 | abrotman | thinks bpun is french canadian |
| 11:54.16 | streuner | lol |
| 11:54.36 | bpun | i'm here to help out.. not to come out at the end of the tunnel with (1) way.. |
| 11:54.43 | SlayerXP | is this the right place to get help with installing .deb packages on gentoo? |
| 11:54.45 | bpun | if anyone knows what i mean.. |
| 11:54.50 | bpun | lol |
| 11:55.05 | streuner | SlayerXP: ah, you have your funny day, right? ;-) |
| 11:55.11 | Vonor | SlayerXP, why the heck would you want to use crappy deb packages on gentoo when you have emerge? :D |
| 11:55.13 | SlayerXP | :) |
| 11:55.14 | Umren | why u need deb on gentoo |
| 11:55.39 | streuner | !gentoosmite SlayerXP |
| 11:55.52 | abrotman | streuner: bot not here |
| 11:55.57 | streuner | hm |
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| 11:56.10 | Vonor | runs gentoo, funtoo and on the sparc he runs debian |
| 11:56.29 | bpun | my my my |
| 11:56.31 | bpun | gosh |
| 11:56.34 | bpun | i had a day.. |
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| 12:00.08 | theholyduck | Vonor, why would you use emerge though? |
| 12:00.11 | theholyduck | really :P |
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| 12:00.24 | theholyduck | actually nothing wrong with emerge itself |
| 12:00.36 | theholyduck | as much as how stupid the ebuild creators themself are |
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| 12:02.33 | Vonor | theholyduck, because it rocks :) |
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| 12:03.36 | theholyduck | Vonor, nothing wrong with the tool, but the packages and guidelines are retarded |
| 12:03.36 | theholyduck | thus making the tool useless |
| 12:03.36 | Vonor | i don't think so |
| 12:03.37 | theholyduck | if the people creating gentoo ebuilds had half a clue, then emerge would be half useful |
| 12:03.37 | abrotman | #debian-offtopic |
| 12:03.37 | theholyduck | Vonor, in by book, half broken ebuilds with ciritical depends marked as optional is the norm :P |
| 12:03.49 | theholyduck | it doesnt compile in external libaries unless you TELL it to |
| 12:03.55 | amigo | hi, "aptitude changelog <package>" not work. How can I view changelog? |
| 12:03.56 | theholyduck | even when those external libaries are DO WANT! |
| 12:04.21 | abrotman | amigo: packages.debian.org is another way |
| 12:04.27 | abrotman | or apt-listchanges |
| 12:05.02 | abrotman | amigo: which package is it? |
| 12:05.06 | amigo | abrotman, not work too http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/u/udev/udev_0.125-7+lenny1/changelog |
| 12:05.08 | amigo | udev |
| 12:05.12 | abrotman | though i guess aptitude changelog gets it from pdo anyways |
| 12:05.14 | Vonor | theholyduck, file a bug report on b.g.o instead of whining here? :) i had less issues with gentoo and portage than with debian and apt/aptitude in my life |
| 12:05.30 | theholyduck | Vonor, i foudn it easier to just not use it :P |
| 12:05.34 | abrotman | amigo: that's a security package |
| 12:05.37 | theholyduck | if i want compile from source i use lunar |
| 12:05.50 | amigo | abrotman, and I can't view changes? |
| 12:05.50 | theholyduck | its written by people with atleast half a clue what they are doing |
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| 12:06.02 | theholyduck | admitedtly since its written in bash, |
| 12:06.03 | abrotman | amigo: you want to see it before you install? |
| 12:06.04 | theholyduck | that can be argued |
| 12:06.06 | theholyduck | but still |
| 12:06.09 | abrotman | theholyduck: #debian-offtopic |
| 12:06.14 | theholyduck | abrotman, im done nao |
| 12:06.17 | theholyduck | licks abrotman |
| 12:06.23 | amigo | abrotman, before or after :) |
| 12:06.38 | abrotman | amigo: after it should be in /usr/share/doc/udev/ |
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| 12:06.57 | amigo | abrotman, thanks. I forget it :( |
| 12:07.21 | abrotman | amigo: if you want, i can pastebin it |
| 12:07.22 | Vonor | theholyduck, i don't agree with you and i bet if you'd confront the gentoo devs with your point of view you will for sure run out of arguments pretty soon and then just continue flaming...however, am done too |
| 12:07.32 | amigo | abrotman, no thanks |
| 12:07.36 | abrotman | Vonor: please move it to #debian-offtopic if you want to continue |
| 12:07.38 | amigo | abrotman, I read it now |
| 12:07.42 | abrotman | amigo: okay |
| 12:07.54 | Vonor | abrotman, read the end of my last comment... |
| 12:08.02 | abrotman | Vonor: i saw it |
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| 12:08.19 | Vonor | so no need to move it anywhere since am done with it :) |
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| 12:13.06 | zsasz | uhm apt-get install tcl ... doesnt seem to work.. dont really know debian so what am i doing wrong? |
| 12:13.23 | abrotman | zsasz: there are likely multiple versions of tcl available to you |
| 12:13.34 | abrotman | zsasz: which version of debian do you have? |
| 12:13.37 | zsasz | 4 |
| 12:13.42 | abrotman | etch? you're sure? |
| 12:14.08 | zsasz | Debian GNU/Linux 4. |
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| 12:14.28 | abrotman | zsasz: apt-cache --names-only search tcl .... should give you a better idea of what to install |
| 12:14.34 | abrotman | zsasz: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 12:15.09 | zsasz | need it to compile stuff |
| 12:15.15 | abrotman | so you probably want the -dev packages |
| 12:15.49 | zsasz | yap on rh its just tcl and tcl-devel |
| 12:16.09 | abrotman | so on debian it might be tcl8.3 and tcl8.3-dev .. though i believe etch also has 8.4 available |
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| 12:17.07 | zsasz | yap tcl8.3/-dev installed |
| 12:17.08 | zsasz | thanks |
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| 12:18.45 | jcm | hi, aptitude on etch now aborts with SIGABRT; I already tried to reinstall aptitude |
| 12:18.59 | PiousMinion | This may sound strange, but is there any way to update a debian install from within windows? :P |
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| 12:19.16 | theholyduck | PiousMinion, inside a live cd/usb yes |
| 12:19.19 | theholyduck | inside windows.... |
| 12:19.28 | theholyduck | well techincally |
| 12:19.35 | theholyduck | you could use virtualbox + chroot |
| 12:20.06 | theholyduck | or maybe even chroot ported with cygwin |
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| 12:20.34 | theholyduck | PiousMinion, i HAVE used a simlar techinque to accessing lvm volumes from windwos |
| 12:20.37 | theholyduck | *windows |
| 12:20.47 | theholyduck | but really. |
| 12:20.51 | theholyduck | do you REALLY HAVE TO? |
| 12:20.55 | theholyduck | its a bit of a pain |
| 12:22.43 | PiousMinion | meh, just a curiosity really. |
| 12:22.53 | chfwiggum | hi all!i try to install from my external dvd drive connected via usb and it seems the installer won't find my ethernet card. i tried the expert install but i couldn't find a way to chose the right kernel module.any idea how to teach the installer which ethernet card to use? tia |
| 12:22.58 | PiousMinion | I like to push the limits of sane thought. :P |
| 12:23.55 | theholyduck | PiousMinion, well. install virtualbox, and make a hardrive image for accessing the hardrive with linux on it directly,(how to do it is in the manual) set that in virtualbox, then boot a livecd inside virtual box |
| 12:24.24 | abrotman | chfwiggum: which netowrk card? |
| 12:24.24 | theholyduck | then you mount the hardrive inside virtualbox. and chroot into it |
| 12:24.38 | theholyduck | then you can do all your updates and upgrades and whatever. |
| 12:24.40 | chfwiggum | 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01) |
| 12:25.08 | theholyduck | PiousMinion, but thats only if you really really really really have to :P |
| 12:25.13 | theholyduck | its not good for your own mental sanity |
| 12:25.18 | chfwiggum | card was supported in lenny testing and running under kubuntu |
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| 12:25.37 | ilaiho | hi! |
| 12:25.43 | valdyn | chfwiggum: which installer are you using now though? |
| 12:25.47 | ilaiho | is madwifi now deprecated? |
| 12:25.53 | theholyduck | ilaiho, dont think so. |
| 12:25.59 | valdyn | ilaiho: deprecated by who? |
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| 12:26.06 | theholyduck | ilaiho, you need the latest madwifi for some wifi cards |
| 12:26.09 | ilaiho | valdyn: by Debian? |
| 12:26.17 | valdyn | ilaiho: nope then |
| 12:26.22 | chfwiggum | valdyn: tried testing, netinstall and a daily build dvd |
| 12:26.30 | ilaiho | it has disappeared from testing and unstable |
| 12:26.43 | valdyn | chfwiggum: netinstall what? testing? |
| 12:26.49 | toshiba510cdt | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.50 | chfwiggum | yep |
| 12:26.58 | valdyn | chfwiggum: you should use the stable installer, thats lenny |
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| 12:27.29 | chfwiggum | valdyn: ok. ill give that a try. thx a bunch |
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| 12:28.15 | abrotman | toshiba510cdt: this is #debian .. how would we know? |
| 12:28.23 | abrotman | judd: versions madwifi-source |
| 12:28.23 | judd | abrotman: madwifi-source -- etch/non-free: 1:0.9.2+r1842.20061207-2etch2 lenny/non-free: 1:0.9.4+r3772.20080716-1 sid/non-free: 1:0.9.4+r3772.20080716-1 |
| 12:28.28 | abrotman | ilaiho: ^^^^^ |
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| 12:28.43 | ilaiho | hmm? |
| 12:28.59 | valdyn | ilaiho: in fact, upstream is deprecating madwifi |
| 12:29.04 | abrotman | ilaiho: it's still in sid .. seems to currently not be in squeeze |
| 12:29.21 | toshiba510cdt | <abrotman> people here recommend me other distros |
| 12:29.25 | valdyn | ilaiho: but that doesnt mean debian will remove it or not support it |
| 12:29.37 | ilaiho | valdyn: okay, thank you |
| 12:29.49 | abrotman | toshiba510cdt: you can use debian on that machine |
| 12:30.01 | toshiba510cdt | i am using lenny |
| 12:30.13 | valdyn | ilaiho: and you too should be using ath5k if that works |
| 12:30.23 | valdyn | ilaiho: last i checked madwifi yet was better, but things change |
| 12:30.25 | deever | what actually is the directory /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages still used for? as i have seen, debian uses a "python-support" package |
| 12:30.25 | toshiba510cdt | and overall very happy with it but... |
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| 12:31.04 | valdyn | deever: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
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| 12:31.47 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: why dont you spend 10$ and get a much bigger sandisk? |
| 12:33.11 | toshiba510cdt | valdyn: do you mean a bigger sized usb one? |
| 12:33.28 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: certainly not |
| 12:33.35 | toshiba510cdt | so? |
| 12:33.43 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: you were talking about something for your pcmcia slot |
| 12:33.51 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: so thats what im talking about too |
| 12:34.13 | toshiba510cdt | the windows guys always go about spend money on this and the other |
| 12:34.38 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: what does that have to do with anything? |
| 12:34.45 | toshiba510cdt | i am not going to spend any money on a pentium 120 MHz |
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| 12:35.51 | toshiba510cdt | valdyn, my question was about installing a really really tiny distro on the flasdisk and booting from it |
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| 12:38.02 | deever | valdyn: ? |
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| 12:39.29 | deever | valdyn: so only manually installed python packages are in /usr/lib/python2.X/site-packages? |
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| 12:40.27 | valdyn | deever: why dont you look into your directory and run dpkg -S on that file or directory |
| 12:40.50 | valdyn | deever: manually installed whatever has no business being anywhere in /usr except /usr/local |
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| 12:45.25 | toshiba510cdt | is icecat faster than iceweasel? |
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| 12:45.50 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: is icecat in debian? |
| 12:47.01 | toshiba510cdt | dunno |
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| 12:48.18 | jelly | what IS icecat? |
| 12:51.51 | avu | the rebranded version of seamonkey I think |
| 12:52.02 | valdyn | not in debian |
| 12:52.04 | Downer | "GNU IceCat, formerly known as GNU IceWeasel,[2] is a web browser distributed by the GNU Project. IceCat, which is made entirely of free software, is a fork of Mozilla Firefox. It is compatible with the GNU/Linux operating system." |
| 12:52.11 | avu | ah, right |
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| 12:52.35 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: these browsers are all the same except branding: firefox iceweasel, icecat |
| 12:54.12 | abrotman | !icelizard |
| 12:54.15 | abrotman | bah .. no bot |
| 12:54.38 | graytron | abotman |
| 12:54.47 | abrotman | yeah ... |
| 12:55.45 | toshiba510cdt | someone told me icecat is slightly faster than iceweasel because GNU made some minor improvements. and unlike iceweasel, icecat has the blessing of our Patron Saint |
| 12:56.18 | jcm | any idea about my aptitude dying with SIGABRT ? I cannot upgrade to lenny with a failing aptitude... |
| 12:56.26 | tombs | please...how can check what videocard(onboard) I have, if dmidecode and lspci doens't show it? |
| 12:56.28 | toshiba510cdt | is the technical aspect true? |
| 12:56.36 | tombs | ops... soundcard |
| 12:58.26 | boghog | who is Patron Saint? |
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| 12:59.09 | yeretik | I need to force my exim to receive email from an specific address... With the mailbox full or not... Any suggestion? |
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| 13:00.26 | jamon | boghog: rms |
| 13:00.38 | jamon | tolecnal: lspci -v |
| 13:00.42 | boghog | oh |
| 13:00.50 | cahoot | tombs: no sign of it at all in dmesg? |
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| 13:01.17 | tombs | cahoot> nop |
| 13:01.45 | cahoot | tombs: laptop? |
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| 13:01.59 | tombs | cahoot> desktop |
| 13:02.10 | tombs | fresh install |
| 13:02.39 | cahoot | tombs: tried google on the mainboard model for specs? |
| 13:02.40 | tombs | irq conflict maybe? |
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| 13:03.15 | valdyn | yeretik: for a single user? |
| 13:03.43 | valdyn | yeretik: whats "mailbox" full? you have quotas for mailbox size? |
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| 13:04.45 | yeretik | valdyn, For all my users... Something like always permit mail from support@mydomain.com, for example... |
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| 13:05.21 | valdyn | yeretik: what is enforcing the quota? |
| 13:05.51 | tombs | cahoot> no info |
| 13:06.17 | valdyn | tombs: if lspci does not show it then you have no video card |
| 13:06.22 | yeretik | valdyn, Yes, i have implemented mailbox size, but i need that the support mail can be deposited at the users mailboxes |
| 13:06.27 | tombs | valdyn> sound |
| 13:06.36 | valdyn | tombs: or sound card |
| 13:06.41 | tombs | I have a sound card |
| 13:06.50 | valdyn | tombs: usb sound card? |
| 13:06.59 | tombs | I have a surrround system plugged |
| 13:07.12 | tombs | It was working before |
| 13:07.14 | yeretik | valdyn, I'm enforcing the maildir size with dovecot |
| 13:07.17 | tombs | onboard |
| 13:07.41 | valdyn | yeretik: dovecot doesnt deliver mail though.. |
| 13:09.59 | yeretik | valdyn, I doesn't understand you |
| 13:11.30 | valdyn | yeretik: i guess you are using disk quotas |
| 13:11.44 | yeretik | valdyn, Let me check |
| 13:11.49 | yeretik | By myself |
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| 13:16.25 | cmdKeen | After few packages upgrade vanilla kernels >= 2.6.28 fail to boot with almost empty /dev - what could be the caouse? |
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| 13:20.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, looks like my sata resets are Debian specific. A previous release of a certain popular derivative has no equivilant errors when i have it booted. |
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| 13:22.24 | jelly | !maxcpus |
| 13:22.31 | streuner | dpkg isnt here |
| 13:22.36 | jelly | :'( |
| 13:22.37 | valdyn | 4096 |
| 13:22.42 | valdyn | oo |
| 13:22.45 | jelly | valdyn: I'd sure like that! |
| 13:23.25 | jelly | even two-quad cores look more like NUMA than a PC machine to me |
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| 13:23.42 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew). I can be addressed with '%' |
| 13:23.50 | valdyn | %test |
| 13:23.50 | aptitude | Test Failed. |
| 13:23.51 | streuner | !wb |
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| 13:24.42 | liable | you lose |
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| 13:25.03 | streuner | aptitude, lose liable |
| 13:25.04 | aptitude | liable: You Lose. |
| 13:25.24 | jelly | :test |
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| 13:25.31 | jelly | &test |
| 13:25.34 | ravenbird | No, jelly, you're not online any more. |
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| 13:26.02 | jelly | %maxcpus |
| 13:26.04 | streuner | so we have aptitude and ravenbird, that should be enough till dpkg is here |
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| 13:26.12 | jelly | aptitude: you suck |
| 13:26.12 | aptitude | I resemble that remark! |
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| 13:28.47 | jcm | aptitude: why do you SIGABRT when you are launched on an etch server? |
| 13:28.48 | aptitude | jcm: what are you talking about? |
| 13:29.27 | jcm | what a prompt answer, what a pity it's not pertinent... |
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| 13:30.38 | jelly | judd: list piccy |
| 13:30.39 | judd | jelly: kconfig, kernel, kernelconfig, kernels, kernelversion, kversion, lastupdate, pciid, and update |
| 13:30.52 | jelly | judd: kconfig NR_CPUS |
| 13:30.54 | judd | jelly: Searching for 'NR_CPUS' in lenny kernel config gives NR_CPUS=8. |
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| 13:31.01 | jelly | thanks |
| 13:31.30 | liable | whats piccy? |
| 13:31.54 | jelly | a module of judd's |
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| 13:32.49 | stew | piccy was written by themill and was originally just to give pciid based info, but now knows other stuff about kernels |
| 13:33.23 | liable | oh |
| 13:34.08 | rmrfchik | can't build nvidia 180.44-2 for 2.6.29-1-amd64, in buildlog: install: cannot stat `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nvidia.ko': No such file or directory |
| 13:34.23 | jelly | I still don't know whether boot param maxcpus= can exceed that value or not, though |
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| 13:36.57 | jelly | stew: tell him to add kernelconfighelp or kernelconfiginfo :-) |
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| 13:37.31 | stew | jelly: like kernel-parameters.txt? |
| 13:37.51 | jelly | stew: like grepping from Kconfig help |
| 13:38.03 | stew | oh |
| 13:38.07 | darthanubis | anyone else notice sid repos still broken from yesterday? |
| 13:38.13 | stew | themill: ^^^ |
| 13:38.33 | jelly | oh noes! sid broken! |
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| 13:38.39 | darthanubis | The following packages have unmet dependencies:synaptic: Depends: libapt-inst-libc6.7-6-1.1 but it is not installable Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 but it is not installable |
| 13:38.49 | darthanubis | I'm not looking for help |
| 13:39.02 | darthanubis | just wanted mature adults to provide feedback |
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| 13:39.23 | streuner | thats unstable |
| 13:39.24 | liable | not much to say but wait |
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| 13:39.30 | darthanubis | thanks |
| 13:40.03 | stew | darthanubis: that's a virtual package provided by apt, see if that version is proviced by the latest apt |
| 13:40.08 | darthanubis | my first time dealing with debian/unstable so I expect breakage, the challenge for me is making it through the breakage periods. |
| 13:40.16 | darthanubis | I just want bleeding edge, and debian |
| 13:40.45 | streuner | darthanubis: install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges |
| 13:40.48 | darthanubis | stew, thanks |
| 13:41.51 | darthanubis | streuner, apt-listchanges: Depends: python-apt but it is not going to be installed |
| 13:42.08 | streuner | well, later then :-) |
| 13:42.39 | darthanubis | the update that broek things raped the system of aptitude synaptic, but left me with apt able to install most things |
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| 13:43.03 | darthanubis | so long as they are not related to anything apt related |
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| 13:43.49 | module000 | darthanubis: apt is all you need |
| 13:43.49 | darthanubis | other than that. For an unstable setup, everything is pretty stable. |
| 13:43.55 | darthanubis | I know ;) |
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| 13:44.31 | darthanubis | One small thing, rhythmnbox is having a hard time playing remote files on the network. |
| 13:45.12 | darthanubis | it's not a big deal, I expect this things, until I read up on running a squeeze/sid blend and fully understand apt-pinning. |
| 13:45.30 | darthanubis | The Debian way is so fascinating! |
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| 13:45.43 | module000 | heh |
| 13:47.00 | darthanubis | I just woke up, and wanted to provide some feedback on my day off. I'll keep trying to break my system |
| 13:47.09 | darthanubis | thanks for reading:) |
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| 13:48.51 | worr | darthanubis: I've run unstable for a year or two with no problems so far. |
| 13:49.15 | worr | my advice though, check sidux.com before you aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 13:49.39 | worr | they'll post stuff on the front page if sid is gonna break that particular day |
| 13:49.47 | darthanubis | worr, nice! |
| 13:50.09 | worr | my most frequent issues have been that not all required packages for a program have been uploaded at around the same time |
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| 13:50.31 | worr | for example, vim-runtime being a version ahead of vim-common |
| 13:50.38 | worr | but that just happens sometimes |
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| 13:52.11 | worr | anyway, off to bed |
| 13:52.12 | darthanubis | worr, yeah, I expect as much. Just checking to make sure it was not just me? These packages should be missing for everyone on sid atm right? |
| 13:52.26 | worr | oh wait, what's your problem? |
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| 13:52.38 | worr | i only saw when you were talking about rythmbox... |
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| 13:52.49 | darthanubis | aptitude and synaptic, and calc, etc cannot be installed |
| 13:53.10 | darthanubis | missing dependencies or dependency hell |
| 13:53.27 | worr | reads chat history |
| 13:53.32 | worr | wow, that's pretty intense |
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| 13:53.51 | darthanubis | .....you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. |
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| 13:54.37 | worr | when did you last try to update? |
| 13:54.57 | darthanubis | seconds ago |
| 13:55.04 | darthanubis | literally |
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| 13:55.47 | worr | are you using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 13:55.58 | darthanubis | apt-get is all thats left |
| 13:56.05 | worr | ok, what command were you using? |
| 13:56.10 | worr | apt-get upgrade |
| 13:56.11 | worr | ? |
| 13:56.14 | darthanubis | yes |
| 13:56.18 | darthanubis | apt-get update |
| 13:56.21 | worr | that is the wrong way to upgrade unstable. |
| 13:56.22 | darthanubis | apt-get upgrade |
| 13:56.27 | darthanubis | ahhh |
| 13:56.28 | worr | you wanna do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:56.33 | darthanubis | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:56.39 | darthanubis | yeah I use that |
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| 13:56.52 | worr | or aptitude safe-upgrade if you use aptitude |
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| 13:57.06 | Forai | Hey guys, I'm trying to get a webcam to work on my debian server, I will say right now it is edgy and it is fine the way it is (I have troubles updating it) the problem I have though is the webcam available is a logitech Quickcam Communicate STX. I BELIEVE I found drivers for it at http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net |
| 13:57.10 | worr | apt-get upgrade will blindly update your system |
| 13:57.11 | darthanubis | well, apt-get dist-upgrade works, but does not fix the issue |
| 13:57.30 | jelly | darthanubis: basically, this is a common occurence when using unstable; nothing unusual :-) |
| 13:57.41 | worr | yeah, true that |
| 13:57.49 | worr | those packages are being held back for me |
| 13:58.00 | worr | and that's cause I use aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 13:58.12 | darthanubis | jelly, that much is apparent. I just want to know am I the only one experiencing this particular problem at this particular time? |
| 13:58.25 | worr | no, you aren't...kinda |
| 13:58.34 | jelly | darthanubis: which arch do you have installed? |
| 13:58.57 | worr | no, those packages are broken in sid |
| 13:59.02 | worr | I just confirmed this |
| 13:59.11 | Forai | oh |
| 13:59.14 | darthanubis | Forai, my Creative Live! cam has not had drivers as of the 2.6.26 series kernels I believe |
| 13:59.29 | darthanubis | jelly, 64bit |
| 13:59.47 | Forai | hmm? |
| 13:59.56 | worr | darthanubis: wait a couple of hours and try upgrading again |
| 14:00.00 | darthanubis | Linux debian 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Mar 27 04:02:59 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:00.05 | Forai | so no real webcams have it? |
| 14:00.06 | darthanubis | worr, will do |
| 14:00.08 | worr | darthanubis: it'll work when sid fixes itself |
| 14:00.12 | Forai | well I think I know something I need to do |
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| 14:00.42 | darthanubis | worr, I appreciate the comments |
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| 14:01.19 | jelly | darthanubis: a breakage in apt is noticed by everyone. A quick glance on the bug reporting system for the latest bugs will usually provide confirmation, when a high profile package like that breaks |
| 14:01.40 | mosno | isn't sidux a better idea for non-devs than sid? |
| 14:01.57 | jelly | mosno: possibly, but sidux isn't debian |
| 14:02.28 | worr | darthanubis: something to keep in mind: always, always, ALWAYS upgrade sid with aptitude safe-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:02.36 | darthanubis | jelly, I'm new to Debian all of 30hrs |
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| 14:02.58 | darthanubis | I know this is the distro for people who read first ask questions later. |
| 14:02.59 | worr | either of those commands will 'intelligently' upgrade your system |
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| 14:03.02 | mosno | darthanubis: you really should be starting with lenny, it's not that old... |
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| 14:03.17 | darthanubis | I just did not come across all the faqs and stuff i need yet |
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| 14:03.28 | darthanubis | I perused the forums, and googled for bugs |
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| 14:03.32 | worr | jelly: sidux is loke...80% Debian |
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| 14:03.35 | worr | *like |
| 14:03.35 | darthanubis | but thats about all.. |
| 14:03.53 | worr | it is debian unstable + new kernel + bonus scripts |
| 14:03.59 | darthanubis | I did not want sid, because of KDE being default DE, and it NOT being debian |
| 14:04.02 | abrotman | worr: so, it's not debian |
| 14:04.03 | jelly | worr: yep. not debian. |
| 14:04.17 | abrotman | darthanubis: do not confuse sid and sidux .. two different things |
| 14:04.29 | worr | but unlike *some* other debian-based distros, it is fully debian repo compatible |
| 14:04.34 | darthanubis | I already come from a debian-like system, and got tired of their sloppy package maintenance. |
| 14:04.44 | mosno | worr: that's probably the bit that confused me |
| 14:05.13 | worr | yeah, they try and take sid and make it more usable and safer for the average user |
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| 14:05.21 | mosno | worr: ie. how can it be repo-compatible, but have a different base? |
| 14:05.23 | darthanubis | squeeze does not have the latest gnome does it? |
| 14:05.24 | jelly | worr: it's all ok, as long as their users don't ask for help in #d under false pretense |
| 14:05.48 | mosno | disclaimer, i'm running Debian 5.0.1 |
| 14:05.52 | darthanubis | I'm deciding whether to run testing or unstable in the near future |
| 14:06.01 | worr | mosno: no it just has scripts that run on top of Debian and use Debian utils |
| 14:06.10 | darthanubis | Lenny was to dated for my tastes |
| 14:06.11 | worr | mosno: it's extra packages, not different ones |
| 14:06.46 | worr | like, I'm pretty sure their default upgrade utility uses apt, but checks the sidux web site to see if it'll break first |
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| 14:07.03 | worr | their web site announces most of the major sid breakges, which is pretty awesome |
| 14:07.11 | worr | I check it before every safe-upgrade |
| 14:07.40 | mosno | worr: i guess i'd have to investigate the technicalities of sidux further. however, i'm happy with lenny (besides a bug, which i reported) |
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| 14:08.20 | worr | awesome, but I dunno...I don't like using Debian stable for a desktop |
| 14:08.22 | ajavid | good morning |
| 14:08.24 | worr | gets too dated too quickly |
| 14:08.32 | mosno | worr: i'm running it on a laptop to boot :) |
| 14:08.33 | jelly | !sns |
| 14:08.38 | jelly | %sns |
| 14:08.38 | ajavid | sns |
| 14:08.39 | aptitude | extra, extra, read all about it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 14:08.45 | worr | I prefer at least testing, if not unstable, if not unstable + experimental |
| 14:08.47 | ajavid | hey |
| 14:08.50 | ajavid | i like shiny new shit |
| 14:08.54 | ajavid | where the fuck is dpkg |
| 14:09.03 | ajavid | hm, that sucks |
| 14:09.17 | ajavid | jelly, hi |
| 14:09.30 | jelly | I see there's also no debhelper. :-> |
| 14:09.37 | ajavid | oh yeah |
| 14:09.41 | worr | mosno: yeah, I run testing on my laptop, unstable + experimental on my desktop, and stable on my servers |
| 14:09.42 | ajavid | chaos in #debian today! |
| 14:09.54 | jelly | (... to kick you for 5 consecutive rows) |
| 14:10.01 | ajavid | heh, shaddup |
| 14:10.10 | mosno | worr: i literally can't handle the breakage and/or missing debs in testing/unstable |
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| 14:11.01 | FilipeMaia | Is there a problem with gnutls in sid? I just did an update and my ldap with TLS stopped working. |
| 14:11.01 | mosno | worr: the plan is to a) summon the patience of gods, b) make debs for stuff that's missing, backports, etc. |
| 14:11.02 | jelly | mosno: a coworker next to me is using stable on his workstation and it basically just works |
| 14:11.05 | darthanubis | http://juliank.wordpress.com/2009/04/15/python-apt-to-become-first-debian-package-to-support-python-3/ |
| 14:11.18 | worr | mosno: yeah, I've gotten used to it, I've run a Debian based OS for 5ish years now |
| 14:11.27 | worr | mosno: I have little issue with breakages |
| 14:11.29 | darthanubis | I think this has something to do with python-apt being held? |
| 14:11.36 | ajavid | jelly, I got a GA P45 UD3-P motherboard yesterday, and it has a Realtek ALC889A |
| 14:11.38 | mosno | worr: yea i'm like... 8 years or something |
| 14:11.40 | darthanubis | Python 3.1 is still in experimental, but python-apt already has a fully working Python 3 version. With the patch being available in the jak branch, python-apt Bug#523645 can be closed soon. |
| 14:11.49 | mosno | worr: not solid tho |
| 14:11.52 | ajavid | jelly, I got a GA P45 UD3-P motherboard yesterday, and it has a Realtek ALC889A. How well supported is this audio chipset? |
| 14:11.55 | worr | mosno: also, most of that knowledge comes from working with Ubuntu, which totally breaks EVERY time a new release comes out. :) |
| 14:11.59 | FilipeMaia | Also does anyone know when fglrx-driver will be usable in sid? |
| 14:12.02 | jelly | ajavid: I have no idea. |
| 14:12.10 | ajavid | I know the Realtek 8111C is supported, for LAN |
| 14:12.12 | mosno | worr: ubuntu is too flakey for my tastes |
| 14:12.19 | mosno | worr: good for ideas, tho |
| 14:12.26 | worr | mosno: I gave up on it right after edgy was released |
| 14:12.29 | darthanubis | "flakey" |
| 14:12.30 | ajavid | oh I mean not jelly |
| 14:12.32 | jelly | ajavid: sounds like a codec hiding behind the standard intel-hda interface |
| 14:12.34 | darthanubis | I love that word |
| 14:12.36 | worr | circular dependency hell when I tried to upgrade |
| 14:12.58 | ajavid | jelly, your nickname was already in my input line but i directed this query to the whole chan, sorry my bad |
| 14:13.02 | ajavid | jelly, I see |
| 14:13.19 | jelly | ajavid: this hp workstation has a "Chip: Realtek ALC260" |
| 14:13.22 | ajavid | usually GB mobos have been real good to me |
| 14:13.28 | ajavid | but this is shiny new shit... so i dunno |
| 14:13.43 | ajavid | jelly, oh alright, I think I should be ok |
| 14:13.53 | jelly | you probably know how to build stuff from alsa source by now |
| 14:13.59 | mosno | i was happily running Etch on my P3, then i bought a C2D laptop, which sent me into the Fedora/SUSE/Ubuntu wilderness. then Lenny became stable, and i'm back in the fold ;) |
| 14:14.05 | ajavid | of cours |
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| 14:14.24 | ajavid | mosno, welcome back |
| 14:14.34 | mosno | ajavid: it's like i never left **wipes tear** |
| 14:14.34 | ajavid | mosno, I tried the new ubuntu 9.04, garbage |
| 14:14.41 | jelly | mosno: these situations can usually be solved by upgrading the kernel only |
| 14:14.42 | worr | mosno: oh god, not the rpm world (not counting Ubuntu of course)! |
| 14:14.43 | ajavid | I'll take debian over anything deb based |
| 14:15.04 | mosno | worr: meh, i grok rpm reasonably well |
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| 14:15.54 | ajavid | jelly, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358 <-- this is what I got |
| 14:15.58 | mosno | dpkg seems more elegant, i have to say -- even though i have more practical experience with rpm |
| 14:16.00 | worr | meh, I've always done best with debs :) |
| 14:16.11 | mosno | (or so it seems right now) |
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| 14:16.22 | jelly | ajavid: I'm not the guy to talk about hardware :-) |
| 14:16.26 | worr | rpms have very few features that I miss in debs |
| 14:16.28 | ajavid | awww you're not!? |
| 14:16.31 | ajavid | why come? |
| 14:16.48 | jelly | buys and uses thinkpads with intel graphics |
| 14:16.52 | ajavid | your a computer dude, you better know hardware |
| 14:17.00 | ajavid | or else im kicking in da nuts |
| 14:17.02 | ajavid | muuahaha. |
| 14:17.21 | ajavid | anyway, I got stuff to do, nice chatting with ya'll again.. *afk* |
| 14:17.24 | egz | mosno, why do you think dpkg is elegant? |
| 14:17.38 | mosno | egz: stuff like debhelper |
| 14:17.54 | mosno | egz: also being able to see package size before you download |
| 14:17.57 | jelly | ajavid: I can discuss keyboards, mice or monitors good for miopic people; mobos and cpus, less so |
| 14:18.09 | ajavid | its all good i was teasing :) |
| 14:18.13 | ajavid | peace bro |
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| 14:18.56 | slacker_nl | hello, lets say I have package 'a' and I want to see which packages I have installed which are dependent on that 'a' package, what's the command for that? |
| 14:19.08 | worr | anyway, I wanted to go to sleep over an hour ago, til darthanubis fragged me into all this :) |
| 14:19.12 | mosno | slacker_nl: i personally use the aptitude UI |
| 14:19.38 | mosno | slacker_nl: ie. press 'r' while highlighting package |
| 14:19.42 | worr | goodnight all |
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| 14:19.47 | jelly | slacker_nl: you want to read the aptitude manual |
| 14:19.47 | egz | mosno, interesting, very simple things |
| 14:19.58 | egz | i like debs because they are internally simpler and they are easier to build 'correctly' |
| 14:19.59 | mosno | egz: why do you ask? |
| 14:20.13 | egz | mosno, because i've had a number of jobs in the free software world |
| 14:20.13 | slacker_nl | mosno: could do that, but i'd like a cli solution too |
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| 14:20.25 | worr | also slacker_nl, apt-cache rdepends |
| 14:20.34 | egz | mosno, and there is a common theme, which is that redhat/rpm-based systems keep causing me pain |
| 14:20.41 | mosno | egz: how are they easier to build correctly? |
| 14:20.49 | egz | mosno, ever tried to use rpmbuild? |
| 14:20.56 | mosno | egz: yep |
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| 14:21.42 | egz | mosno, from my experience that was... an extremely heavy-handed solution to the problem of 'put software in a root directory and package' |
| 14:21.47 | jelly | slacker_nl: aptitude search '~i ~Rpackagename' |
| 14:21.53 | slacker_nl | worr: you are an angel |
| 14:22.02 | worr | slacker_nl: anytime :) |
| 14:22.04 | slacker_nl | thnx, just the command i was looking for |
| 14:22.05 | egz | mosno, but perhaps i should have been using it differently... |
| 14:22.12 | worr | NOW time for sleep |
| 14:22.15 | mosno | egz: it freaks me out how the SRPM does an "rm -rf $BUILD_ROOT" or whatever |
| 14:22.19 | slacker_nl | jelly: its not in the aptitude manual |
| 14:22.24 | egz | mosno, wooo. yeah. |
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| 14:22.38 | jelly | slacker_nl: install aptitude-doc-en, /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 14:22.41 | mosno | egz: i don't think i've seen the same thing with debs |
| 14:22.52 | egz | mosno, rpmbuild is based on a ton of weird assumptions about directories and env. variables you have |
| 14:23.07 | worr | slacker_nl: I think he meant if you use the aptitude ui, navigate to that package, and expanded the bit that said "Packages which depend on this package" |
| 14:23.09 | egz | mosno, no... it's just 'put the software in this root dir and write your control file' |
| 14:23.18 | jelly | slacker_nl: there's lots of those ~ goodies |
| 14:23.39 | mosno | egz: and those macros are freaky |
| 14:23.56 | slacker_nl | jelly: -D only shows which other packages are dependent on X package, not the reversed deps (which apt-cache rdepends shows) |
| 14:23.56 | mosno | egz: i haven't seen anything like that in the deb world either |
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| 14:24.03 | egz | mosno, the rpm way is to take 'clean' upstream sources and patch them in the rpmbuild process. this is good an i think is probably part of the reason that redhat is responsible for upstreaming so much stuff. but it is unbelievably cumbersome to work with |
| 14:24.11 | jelly | slacker_nl: what -D? |
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| 14:24.16 | egz | because of the macro definitions you have to manage... even for each patch |
| 14:24.24 | slacker_nl | jelly: man aptitude ;) |
| 14:24.25 | mosno | egz: eh? deb does patching too... |
| 14:24.41 | jelly | [16:21] <jelly> slacker_nl: aptitude search '~i ~Rpackagename' |
| 14:24.48 | mosno | egz: but yea that patch0 crap is funny |
| 14:24.50 | egz | mosno, yes... but as far as i can tell the pattern is more ingrained in redhat tools |
| 14:25.03 | mosno | egz: i don't see that |
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| 14:25.17 | slacker_nl | jelly: overlooked that one |
| 14:25.25 | slacker_nl | eitherway, thnx all |
| 14:25.30 | jelly | slacker_nl: and <jelly> slacker_nl: install aptitude-doc-en, /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 14:25.36 | egz | mosno, well, my perspective is necessarily limited to what i've worked with. you think there's no difference? |
| 14:25.38 | slacker_nl | i saw that one :) |
| 14:25.42 | egz | just rpmbuild madness :P |
| 14:26.01 | mosno | egz: eg. debian has ./debian/patches and a patch target, yea? |
| 14:26.45 | egz | ah, right |
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| 14:27.23 | enouf | slacker_nl: you also might like; apt-rdepends - performs recursive dependency listings similar to apt-cache |
| 14:27.37 | mosno | egz: one good thing about redhat is how closely they (seem to) work with upstream |
| 14:27.48 | slacker_nl | enouf: sweet |
| 14:27.58 | jelly | they (or their employees) _are_ upstream for lots of stuff |
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| 14:28.05 | mosno | jelly: regardless |
| 14:28.13 | abrotman | not regardless at all |
| 14:28.13 | egz | mosno, yeah, i was noting that the patching pattern is different socially. technically there are supported ways to do it... |
| 14:28.16 | jelly | starting with glibc |
| 14:28.44 | mosno | so you don't think debian should at least submit a patch to upstream for most patches in the source deb? |
| 14:28.45 | slacker_nl | enouf: i have it on my debian box, not on my ubuntu boxes |
| 14:28.49 | egz | for a variety of reasons they (seem to) work better with upstream |
| 14:28.53 | egz | than other distributions |
| 14:28.56 | mosno | (i'm not sure what really goes on, btw) |
| 14:29.15 | egz | mosno, nor i. i think things should always get submitted so that upstream devs at least know what's going on |
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| 14:29.26 | mosno | egz: yea |
| 14:29.36 | abrotman | mosno: that depends on the patch .. many times they are sent upstream |
| 14:29.40 | jelly | mosno: it falls on the particular maintainer to do so, but that's supposed to be done |
| 14:29.41 | mosno | this might very well happen, this is just the limited subjective view i have |
| 14:29.47 | mosno | abrotman: cool |
| 14:30.02 | mosno | jelly: ah, so it is a formal policy? |
| 14:30.23 | jelly | that said, Debian does a lot of mangling of popular apps that doesn't get accepted well upstream :-) |
| 14:30.38 | mosno | jelly: like apache...? |
| 14:30.41 | jelly | mosno: I think it's there in debian-policy, right |
| 14:30.49 | jelly | mosno: one of the examples, right |
| 14:30.50 | mosno | jelly: nice. |
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| 14:31.01 | stew | seems like something that would be in the DDR not policy |
| 14:31.20 | insolit | guys sorry to bother, but does the following make any sense: udp-receiver --pipe "gzip -dc" --file /var/udpcast/gx280.hda.gz |
| 14:31.27 | mosno | as an end-user i personally think it should be encouraged |
| 14:31.34 | mosno | i'm not sure how it plays out in reality |
| 14:31.38 | jelly | stew: well, one of the developer docs. |
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| 14:31.42 | stew | yes |
| 14:31.46 | mosno | s/encouraged/policed/ |
| 14:31.55 | Chicago | How do I ask 'apt-get clean' to show me what would be removed, before removing it? |
| 14:32.02 | jelly | mosno: tell that to Canonical |
| 14:32.05 | jelly | :-> |
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| 14:32.13 | mosno | jelly: irrelevant |
| 14:32.15 | stew | mosno: its certainly encouraged, and its something anyone can help with |
| 14:32.34 | jelly | mosno: it goes both ways |
| 14:32.56 | mosno | stew: yep, but for now i better stick with my bug reporting, irc support, and general advocacy :) |
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| 14:33.17 | mosno | jelly: i'm talking about Debian, not Ubuntu |
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| 14:33.59 | stew | mosno: sure, but if you check the bugs.debian.org docs, if you find a bug which is also a bug upstream, you can send the bug upstream and mark the debian bug as "Upstream ; Forwarded: to someproject@lists.sourceforge.net" |
| 14:34.00 | jelly | mosno: and I'm tangenting off <mosno> as an end-user i personally think it should be encouraged |
| 14:34.03 | insolit | could someone please help me with my udpcast issue? |
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| 14:35.22 | mosno | jelly: Canonical are not a Debian end-user |
| 14:35.27 | smacnay | Chicago: -s |
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| 14:35.39 | smacnay | Chicago: if that works with "clean" |
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| 14:36.05 | jelly | mosno: the positions are reversed -- Debian is upstream for them |
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| 14:36.26 | mosno | jelly: yes and no, and i'm not debating that :) |
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| 14:37.40 | tfl | anyone know of a lightweight e-mail server setup?? i am limited in ram, and want a web-interface with imap ssl etc. Tried, postfix+courier+squirrelmail+amavis but they were too resource intensive |
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| 14:37.43 | mosno | stew: i doubt i'm competent enough to analyse bugs at that level, but that's good to know |
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| 14:39.30 | mosno | waves goodbye to LXDE for now |
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| 14:41.14 | themill | stew, jelly: interesting idea... I'll add it to the todo list ;) |
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| 14:46.02 | mosno | interesting... aptitude doesn't auto-remove automatically installed dependences when the dep is part of an "OR" dependency expression, even though other candidates for the expression are present? |
| 14:46.08 | jelly | themill: Priority: 2011 |
| 14:46.30 | themill | :) |
| 14:46.43 | mosno | s/OR dependency/OR dep or virtual package/ |
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| 14:47.25 | mosno | eg. gnome-terminal and lxterminal are still installed, despite previously removing gnome and lxde metapackages |
| 14:47.28 | themill | How could aptitude know which one you actually wanted to use? |
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| 14:48.17 | mosno | themill: well, gnome-terminal is satisfying the dep... when i removed LXDE, it might have said "aah, i can remove lxterminal because at least one other package is satisfying the virtual package" (?) |
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| 14:48.28 | cognitiaclaeves | where is dpkg? |
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| 14:48.57 | mosno | cognitiaclaeves: on my hard drive? :) |
| 14:49.16 | themill | mosno: exactly what dep? You might like to /msg aptitude aptitude why |
| 14:49.32 | cognitiaclaeves | lol, Should I try again? Where is the currently running instance of dpkg? |
| 14:49.33 | mosno | themill: the x-terminal-emulator dep |
| 14:49.53 | mosno | cognitiaclaeves: what do you mean "where"? |
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| 14:50.10 | cognitiaclaeves | Nevermind. |
| 14:50.12 | themill | mosno: cognitiaclaeves is talking about the dpkg bot that is normally here. |
| 14:50.17 | mosno | aaaaah |
| 14:50.59 | cognitiaclaeves | I needed the bot to find information about how to backport svn this morning.. |
| 14:51.11 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: /msg aptitude ssb |
| 14:51.36 | mosno | themill: re. "why", thanks |
| 14:51.45 | themill | np |
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| 14:52.15 | mosno | themill: sometimes i forget that software actually evolves and i should read changelogs every now and then ;) |
| 14:52.16 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: The response looks just like dpkg's... are they one and the same? |
| 14:52.58 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: aptitude picks up dpkg's database on a daily basis. |
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| 14:53.05 | mosno | themill: (not that the aptitude changelog talks too much about them) |
| 14:53.09 | cognitiaclaeves | ah. ok. |
| 14:54.10 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: btw you'll probably find subversion non-trivial to backport. |
| 14:54.29 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: Why is that? |
| 14:54.39 | cognitiaclaeves | I want 1.5.6, lenny has 1.5.1 ... |
| 14:54.49 | cognitiaclaeves | I would have thought it would be pretty trivial, for that reason... |
| 14:55.01 | themill | libdb4.6 to libdb4.7 transition |
| 14:55.13 | cognitiaclaeves | between 1.5.1 and 1.5.6 ? |
| 14:55.27 | cognitiaclaeves | ( that would explain why 1.5.6 is not already available... ) |
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| 14:57.15 | jelly | themill: so pull build-deps manually and fix control to the available version? |
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| 14:57.48 | mosno | themill: i'm will still look for a way to audit my system about these possibly redundant auto-deps... but not tonight. |
| 14:57.49 | jelly | (and hope svn doesn't _really_ require bdb4.7 for some obscure raisin) |
| 14:58.38 | abrotman | mmm ... raisins |
| 14:59.55 | liable | hehe, i had typed that, then deleted it :P |
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| 15:00.31 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: you may want to look at http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/subversion/ |
| 15:00.49 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm guessing from this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package#s-port , that I can pull the source package from testing, pull any dependencies not in 1.5.1 manually, and then use dpkg-source, -buildpackage, etc ... to install the newly compiled package? |
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| 15:01.27 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: Ok. What am I looking at? ( It isn't self-explanatory to me... ) |
| 15:01.49 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: you may also need to backport some dependencies and then any packages that also depend on those dependencies and all of a sudden you're just running squeeze but on a lenny kernel... |
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| 15:02.26 | cognitiaclaeves | If it's going to get that ugly, I might as well just compile on top of lenny. |
| 15:02.37 | CharminTheMoose | hey all i'm running squeeze/sid and i'm wondering, where's the /etc/limits.conf file? |
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| 15:04.57 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: that URL has the source for a deb package for svn that (apparently) compiles under lenny. |
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| 15:05.34 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: I can't tell by looking at the URL how you figured that out? |
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| 15:07.03 | Heavy-D | Hey guys, do msot of you guys run Apache for your web servers? or lighttpd? and do you use Apache 2.2.x? I've seen a few places using Apache 1.3.X.. what's the advantage of doing that? |
| 15:07.18 | person | I'm thinking of upgrading to squeeze, but the reference and APT HOWTO seem dated, especially the reference. I take it that I just wipe my sources.list, put squeeze sources in, edit my apt.conf and run # aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 15:07.21 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: the three files there are what is known as a source package (.dsc, .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz). If you have the devscripts package installed, then you can just use "dget http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/subversion/subversion_1.5.6dfsg-1~bpo50+1.dsc" to download the entire thing. |
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| 15:08.00 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: Do you have a guide for what to do after I download the source package? |
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| 15:09.48 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: dpkg-source subversion_1.5.6dfsg-1~bpo50+1.dsc; apt-get build-dep subversion; cd subversion-1.5.6dfsg ; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot |
| 15:09.56 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: (I forgot to say "hope that build-dep works and if it doesn't, manually install anything that dpkg-buildpackage complains about") |
| 15:11.10 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: ok. That's a start. Thanks. :) |
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| 15:14.42 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: So, dget ... is equivalent to pkg-source, when the source packages are in the repo, then? |
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| 15:15.53 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: dget can grab a source package from anywhere, while apt-get source can only get it from apt repos that you have configured. |
| 15:15.53 | RevGreen | hey |
| 15:15.57 | RevGreen | I can't connedt |
| 15:15.57 | tech13 | Is it possble to run a dos partition by booting via a debian live cd? what options should I be looking for? |
| 15:15.59 | RevGreen | connect |
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| 15:16.03 | RevGreen | what's wrong ? |
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| 15:16.19 | RevGreen | says can't connect |
| 15:16.20 | liable | you appear to be connected now |
| 15:16.22 | RevGreen | what the god damn mother f |
| 15:16.27 | RevGreen | well I mean - as to |
| 15:16.29 | RevGreen | well- good point |
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| 15:16.33 | RevGreen | I saw the ghost of elvis |
| 15:16.36 | RevGreen | follow him UP |
| 15:16.43 | RevGreen | to the gates of Graceland |
| 15:16.57 | RevGreen | and I watched him walk right through |
| 15:17.02 | RevGreen | I was walking with |
| 15:17.04 | abrotman | RevGreen: do you need help? |
| 15:17.06 | RevGreen | my feet 100 |
| 15:17.07 | RevGreen | no |
| 15:17.09 | RevGreen | hell no |
| 15:17.14 | abrotman | then be quiet |
| 15:17.19 | RevGreen | I bought into BE operating system asshole |
| 15:17.28 | RevGreen | PERVASIVE MULTI-THREADING |
| 15:17.30 | RevGreen | you can't touch |
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| 15:17.33 | RevGreen | go fuck yourself |
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| 15:17.39 | abrotman | touches ... |
| 15:18.01 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: How to handle gpg signature ? |
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| 15:18.31 | beardy | !touch abrotman |
| 15:18.36 | abrotman | bot dead |
| 15:18.39 | beardy | :( |
| 15:18.46 | beardy | touches abrotman! |
| 15:18.56 | jelly | %ping |
| 15:18.56 | aptitude | i guess ping is Yes jelly, you are online. |
| 15:19.04 | Vonor | beardy, o/ |
| 15:19.15 | beardy | Hi Vonor |
| 15:19.37 | jelly | ffs! |
| 15:19.51 | beardy | Fine File System. |
| 15:20.46 | jelly | beardy: sorry, I guess you had to be there: http://paste.debian.net/33773/ |
| 15:20.49 | Eulex | or fucking file system, or fabulous file system, or fragmenting file system |
| 15:21.04 | jelly | Another Fine File System? |
| 15:21.37 | cognitiaclaeves | jelly: Looks like an average of 80 seconds, lol |
| 15:21.49 | jelly | beardy: note to self: never paste \u0001 to a channel ever again |
| 15:21.51 | cognitiaclaeves | .. or maybe 81... |
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| 15:22.18 | beardy | jelly: For the utf-8 impaired, what is that in English? |
| 15:22.34 | naiv | i have a problem to understand if xnest can do the same things as vnc |
| 15:22.42 | jelly | beardy: it makes 20 people irc clients respond. |
| 15:22.57 | beardy | jelly: Neat. |
| 15:23.30 | jelly | there's probably an exploit in there somewhere |
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| 15:24.15 | beardy | jelly: Maybe someone that cares should check what version they run/ran? |
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| 15:24.46 | jelly | *shrug* |
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| 15:26.46 | twobitsprite | what's the second field in "ls -l"? |
| 15:26.56 | twobitsprite | after the permissions? |
| 15:27.49 | liable | number of files ie 1 or more for a directory? |
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| 15:28.00 | jelly | link count |
| 15:28.20 | twobitsprite | hmm.. why would my /var directory have 24 links? |
| 15:28.43 | jelly | twobitsprite: because it has 22 subdirectories, and an ".." in each? |
| 15:29.08 | twobitsprite | ls -l /var says 180 |
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| 15:29.20 | twobitsprite | wait |
| 15:29.26 | jelly | ls -l doesn't show subdirs only |
| 15:29.53 | jelly | you'll be wanting find /var -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d |
| 15:30.01 | cognitiaclaeves | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian fails to do this: "This HowTo is intended to show that Debian packaging is not that hard." ... if anything, it seems to prove the opposite... |
| 15:30.05 | twobitsprite | hmm, right... but I have only subdirs in var, and I definately don't have 180 in there... wc -l says 24 |
| 15:30.39 | jelly | ls -l /var says 180 where? |
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| 15:31.13 | twobitsprite | at the top |
| 15:31.17 | twobitsprite | $ ls -l /var |
| 15:31.17 | twobitsprite | total 180 |
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| 15:31.39 | jelly | twobitsprite: ok? |
| 15:31.50 | jelly | that's normal |
| 15:32.02 | twobitsprite | what does it mean? 180 what? |
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| 15:32.43 | jelly | twobitsprite: oh, you asking about the second field of the "total " line? |
| 15:32.47 | jcm | hi, for a software raid install for an intranet web app; should I have my swap partition in RAID5 too ? |
| 15:32.54 | jelly | twobitsprite: I thought you meant the rest, sorry. |
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| 15:34.40 | twobitsprite | jelly: right |
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| 15:35.00 | twobitsprite | jelly: so, why does it say "180" when I clearly don't have 180 files and/or directories in there |
| 15:35.10 | jelly | twobitsprite: that's not the link count |
| 15:35.13 | beardy | jelly: And mine is smaller, is that normal? |
| 15:35.16 | jelly | twobitsprite: info coreutils ls 'What information is listed' |
| 15:35.22 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm looking on mentors.debian.net for a GPG key... for svn... |
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| 15:35.32 | jelly | twobitsprite: search for format=long |
| 15:36.11 | twobitsprite | bleh, I hate info... |
| 15:36.17 | twobitsprite | how do I search? |
| 15:36.22 | beardy | / |
| 15:36.30 | twobitsprite | ohh... :P |
| 15:36.37 | jelly | info is the GNU way, heathen |
| 15:36.40 | cognitiaclaeves | ... I can't seem to find the GPG keys for mentors.debian.net... should I just look for a switch to bypass it instead? |
| 15:37.00 | twobitsprite | jelly: I know, I'm just a vi weenie, and info uses emacs bindings |
| 15:37.15 | jelly | twobitsprite: / doesn't sound very emacsy |
| 15:37.33 | twobitsprite | jelly: true... but aren't most of the bindings emacs-like? |
| 15:37.41 | jelly | twobitsprite: there's also 's' :-) |
| 15:38.07 | jelly | I didn't know about / actually |
| 15:38.24 | beardy | :O |
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| 15:38.47 | beardy | Well, I didn't know what the "total" totalled. |
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| 15:39.06 | twobitsprite | looks like its total block allocated by files in the directory |
| 15:39.18 | twobitsprite | jelly: thanks for the info (no pun) |
| 15:39.35 | beardy | falls off his chair and goes for coffee |
| 15:39.51 | jelly | twobitsprite: and blocks are 1KiB big. |
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| 15:40.20 | jelly | in Linux userspace. As far as I know. |
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| 15:40.33 | beardy | According to the info yes. |
| 15:41.50 | beardy | As I interpret it, it's the default for GNU coreutils on any platform. |
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| 15:42.35 | jelly | mmm |
| 15:43.20 | jelly | well, GNU's not unix, so they can do whatever they bloody want it seems |
| 15:43.29 | cognitiaclaeves | Is there a way to fix this error?: |
| 15:43.29 | cognitiaclaeves | dget: using existing subversion_1.5.6dfsg.orig.tar.gz |
| 15:43.29 | cognitiaclaeves | dget: using existing subversion_1.5.6dfsg-1~bpo50+1.diff.gz |
| 15:43.29 | cognitiaclaeves | subversion_1.5.6dfsg-1~bpo50+1.dsc: |
| 15:43.29 | cognitiaclaeves | dscverify: subversion_1.5.6dfsg-1~bpo50+1.dsc failed signature check: |
| 15:43.29 | cognitiaclaeves | gpg: keyblock resource `/home/jae/.gnupg/secring.gpg': file open error |
| 15:43.31 | cognitiaclaeves | gpg: Signature made Sun 29 Mar 2009 01:51:57 PM CDT using DSA key ID 7A95833D |
| 15:43.33 | cognitiaclaeves | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 15:43.35 | cognitiaclaeves | Validation FAILED!! |
| 15:43.37 | cognitiaclaeves | darn it... |
| 15:43.40 | cognitiaclaeves | that was supposed to be a link to nopaste.. |
| 15:43.52 | liable | try -uc -us |
| 15:43.57 | cognitiaclaeves | http://rafb.net/p/CaZy1f58.html |
| 15:44.01 | beardy | jelly: That's right. |
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| 15:49.12 | caotic | I am trying to find the documentation for the package libnet-smpp-perl, but the doc link in http://packages.debian.org/etch/libnet-smpp-perl are dead. Does someone here knows, what "application" this software contains, so I can look somewhere else for the documentation ?. |
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| 15:50.53 | gusnan | When using iceweasel and wanting to bookmark a page, I get a nice dialog containing options to edit the name of the bookmark, and where in a folder structure to put it - is there a way to change the size of this dialog? |
| 15:51.01 | jelly | caotic: libFOO-BAR-perl are usually perl modules, ie. it could be Net::SMPP or Net::Smpp or similar |
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| 15:52.46 | caotic | jelly: by Net::SMPP and Net::Smpp do you mean different softwares, or you just guessing the casing of the name ? |
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| 15:53.19 | jelly | the latter. http://www.google.com/search?q=Net::SMPP |
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| 15:57.53 | cognitiaclaeves | Guys, I'm stuck here, with trying to install svn 1.5.6: http://rafb.net/p/CaZy1f58.html. I don't know if this is a general linux thing, or if it is specific to debian, or only because I'm trying to install a backport. I need a little direction how to handle this the right way... |
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| 15:59.22 | liable | cognitiaclaeves: did it still download and unpack the source though? |
| 15:59.58 | jelly | cognitiaclaeves: please paste the exact command line you ran and the whole output |
| 16:00.47 | jelly | and it's very specific to debian's build process |
| 16:00.54 | cognitiaclaeves | http://rafb.net/p/m2PRyF68.html |
| 16:00.55 | cognitiaclaeves | ok. |
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| 16:01.26 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: ignore that error and keep going (presuming you trust the source... :) |
| 16:01.37 | cognitiaclaeves | liable: Even if it did, I'd still like to handle the installation the most correct way possible. There's probably a reason why the check is there in the first place... |
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| 16:02.00 | jelly | cognitiaclaeves: or read dget's manual to see how to ignore the unverifiable signature |
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| 16:02.40 | liable | or get that key |
| 16:03.46 | cognitiaclaeves | Ok., then I'll just ignore the error then. I would have preferred to see how to get the appropriate signature to ensure the package was signed properly, though... but I don't know where to get the key. |
| 16:03.47 | cognitiaclaeves | ... but the problem seems to be that the entire signature file is missing... |
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| 16:03.47 | LiCeT | hi all |
| 16:04.01 | liable | have you ever used gpg ? if not, then thats why, you dont appear to have any .gpg for that user |
| 16:05.30 | themill | Verifying the signature is one thing, verifying that you trust what that particular user who has no association with debian uploaded onto mentors.debian.net is another thing entirely |
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| 16:06.02 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: Oh; I thought they had an association with mentors. |
| 16:06.10 | cognitiaclaeves | nevermind then. |
| 16:06.17 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: anyone can sign up for a mentors account |
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| 16:07.57 | jelly | cognitiaclaeves: well, you can get the key with something like "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 7A95833D", but you still wouldn't know it was really that person's key. |
| 16:08.44 | jelly | no security gain |
| 16:09.12 | cognitiaclaeves | jelly: Ok. That was something new to understand, though. Thanks. :) |
| 16:09.19 | liable | if its signed by a known dd, its some security |
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| 16:09.46 | themill | one has to ask why it's not been uploaded to backports.org though |
| 16:09.49 | jelly | liable: known by whom? |
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| 16:10.42 | jelly | liable: I have here a key by "md@bofh.it" some totally nontrojaned whois packages... care to install? |
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| 16:10.50 | irated | okay guys |
| 16:10.58 | liable | jelly: its not hard to check if someone is a dd. if they sign your key, you think theyd use there debian.org mail |
| 16:11.06 | irated | im trying to set up a vnc reverse connect |
| 16:11.10 | irated | im running into this issue |
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| 16:11.18 | jelly | liable: gpg: key 7A95833D: public key "Michael Diers (elego Software Solutions GmbH) <mdiers@elego.de>" imported |
| 16:11.23 | liable | jelly: i try and avoid installing his packages from the repo! :P |
| 16:11.31 | irated | http://pastebin.ca/index.php |
| 16:11.33 | irated | whoops |
| 16:11.34 | irated | sorry |
| 16:11.38 | themill | that mentors package has too many diffs against the package in squeeze for my liking |
| 16:11.40 | jelly | liable: see, he's not trusted. :-) |
| 16:11.41 | irated | http://pastebin.ca/1395038 |
| 16:11.43 | Dantix | hi all, I'm using wget to download a file from a private web server. My problem is if because any problem of connection wget cannot reach the file, it creates a new file with 0 bytes size. Are there a way to avoid this behaviour? |
| 16:11.43 | irated | there |
| 16:11.49 | irated | it doesnt bring up a display though |
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| 16:12.19 | macman_ | sup all |
| 16:12.27 | Fersure | Hi all. I keep getting the same two problems with Debian 5.0 stable. First, Whenever I try to install packages I get an error about "python-elementtree post-installation script". And whenever I start my system up, it tells me there was a problem with the kernel. |
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| 16:12.42 | Fersure | Two seperate problems. o.o |
| 16:12.53 | Fersure | Not realted, just both irritating. |
| 16:13.05 | Fersure | well |
| 16:13.08 | Fersure | Idk, they could be. |
| 16:13.36 | Fersure | Wouldn't make sense though. o.O |
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| 16:18.12 | MrWax | I'm using bc now and then to quickly calc in bash, is there any kind of way bc keeps track of logs ? |
| 16:18.42 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: So, you think it would be better to install this unsigned 'backport' than to compile and build it from trusted sources? |
| 16:19.13 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: [17:11] <themill> that mentors package has too many diffs against the package in squeeze for my liking |
| 16:19.30 | cognitiaclaeves | Is that a 'no', then? |
| 16:19.36 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: I don't really like the look of that package. I'm not saying that it's harmful, but it is *not* a nice backport. |
| 16:19.49 | cognitiaclaeves | ok. |
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| 16:20.22 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: just let me check one more thing.... |
| 16:20.34 | bbelt16ag | can soembody help me |
| 16:20.39 | bbelt16ag | terminator -x ssh -i /home/erin/.ssh/root@xena -l root xena watch "lsof -i -n | grep ESTABLISHED" |
| 16:20.39 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.40 | cognitiaclaeves | So, the whole reason I'm not using svn 1.5.1 is because of the known fixes in 1.5.2-1.5.6 ... assuming that, it's sounding like it makes more sense just to compile it myself... |
| 16:21.14 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: are you directly affected by these bugs? In such a way that you can't work around them trivially? |
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| 16:22.21 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: Well, one of them has something to do with spaces in filenames, so I didn't want to take any changes. We are moving off of 1.4.x, which has been rock solid. I wanted to make sure that the new version was as solid as the old... |
| 16:23.02 | jelly | bbelt16ag: 1st, force that ssh connection to allocate a terminal (tty). 2nd, singlequote the whole watch command |
| 16:23.03 | Uqbar | bbelt16ag: ... -l root xena 'watch "lsof -i -n | grep ESTABLISHED"' |
| 16:23.30 | cognitiaclaeves | * take any chances |
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| 16:24.29 | Fersure | Okay, managed to fix the python-elementtree problem. |
| 16:24.34 | Dantix | hi all, I'm using wget to download a file from a private web server. My problem is if because any problem of connection wget cannot reach the file, it creates a new file with 0 bytes size. Are there a way to change this behaviour? |
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| 16:24.55 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: I can't say I've ever seem problems with spaces in filenames with svn... maybe I'm just lucky. I'd say using the debian stable package was less risky than making your own backport that may or may not actually work. All I can tell you is that the backported package compiles; I can't tell you that it works. (And looking at the package, most of the stuff I didn't like was just autofoo-generated cruft and it's not such a bad backport_ |
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| 16:27.56 | bbelt16ag | ok hang on |
| 16:28.05 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: Do you have a link on why backporting would be preferred over compiling source? I wouldn't mind if it went from debian 'guranteed' sourcecode to me to the installed package, but it seems that, this way, there is an unknown intermediary... there's got to be a trade-off between compiling unknown backport source and compiling it fresh against existing libs... |
| 16:29.08 | bbelt16ag | jelly how do I allocate a terminal? |
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| 16:29.32 | jelly | bbelt16ag: ssh -t |
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| 16:29.52 | jelly | bbelt16ag: check the manual, it was either -t or -T, not sure |
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| 16:30.21 | bbelt16ag | -t |
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| 16:30.25 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.30 | bbelt16ag | sweet |
| 16:30.31 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: You can verify the source yourself: mkdir mentors ; (cd mentors && dget -u http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/subversion/subversion_1.5.6dfsg-1~bpo50+1.dsc) ; mkdir squeeze ; (cd squeeze && dget -u http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/subversion/subversion_1.5.6dfsg-1.dsc) ; diff -r squeeze mentors |
| 16:30.38 | bbelt16ag | now to put it in a icon... |
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| 16:31.40 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: playing with things within the package system is always better than not; that way dpkg knows about the files and where they are installed and when other programs depend on svn packages, apt/dpkg will know that they are installed. |
| 16:31.42 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: Ok. I see. |
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| 16:32.07 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: Thanks for your patience and explanations. |
| 16:32.15 | themill | np |
| 16:32.53 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: And especially, thanks for verifying that the backport at least 'looks' decent. |
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| 16:39.03 | ktebit | is there a means to change the double click behaviour of highlighting text in X? Seems certain chars prevent highlighting of full 'words'. Example: test.text, double clicking on test stops the highlighting at . |
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| 16:39.31 | boghog | which package do I need to install to get 'dig' ? i thought it would be bind9utils but apparently it's not in there |
| 16:39.53 | jelly | dnsutils |
| 16:39.59 | boghog | thank you |
| 16:42.10 | cognitiaclaeves | themill: I don't see too many differences between the two. |
| 16:43.41 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: yeah. it looks fine. I first looked at a version where autotools had made a suitable mess of things and made it look like there was a huge number of differences |
| 16:43.55 | SQlvpapir_ | is there a way I can take the hdd out of the equation when testing transfer speeds? a ramdisk is not really enough.. I would imagine downloading to/from /dev/null? |
| 16:44.03 | SQlvpapir_ | in some kind of pipe form maybe |
| 16:44.10 | jelly | SQlvpapir_: transfer speed over what? |
| 16:44.16 | SQlvpapir_ | jelly nics |
| 16:44.17 | xxtjaxx | In the control file the "Depends:" is that for packages it depends on or for exact executables/librarys? |
| 16:44.21 | jelly | SQlvpapir_: iperf |
| 16:44.27 | irated | anyone here good with xvncviewer |
| 16:44.34 | irated | and listen? |
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| 16:51.42 | SQlvpapir_ | jelly thanks it sure bumps the speed a bit :) |
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| 16:51.59 | SQlvpapir_ | very nice for testing cables! :) |
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| 16:52.36 | jelly | SQlvpapir_: check you cpu usage and watch -d cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 17:00.39 | AlHafoudh | how does grub number disks? |
| 17:00.43 | AlHafoudh | hd0 hd1 etc |
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| 17:01.24 | jelly | AlHafoudh: correct |
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| 17:01.37 | |newbie| | hi again :) |
| 17:01.48 | jelly | AlHafoudh: it just uses the disks BIOS told it about |
| 17:01.50 | AlHafoudh | jelly: yes, but how can i know which my sdx disk is which |
| 17:01.58 | xororand | AlHafoudh: /boot/grub/device.map |
| 17:02.06 | AlHafoudh | xororand: thanks! |
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| 17:05.09 | SQlvpapir_ | jelly I prefer watch uptime or htop :) why would I want to watch /proc/interrupts? |
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| 17:05.55 | jelly | SQlvpapir_: a saturated Gbit card can generate lots of. |
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| 17:09.12 | gaintsura | hey all, I just realized that my volume wheel on my laptop doesn't work, how can I fix that? |
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| 17:10.20 | SQlvpapir_ | jelly ok its actually not that bad.. only 10 times as many interrupts as my wlan0 that is going at a stable 1mbit (compared to eth0@1gbit) |
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| 17:14.05 | |newbie| | can somebody tell me how i get installed vlc on lenny or an player like vlc? |
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| 17:15.00 | abrotman | judd: versions vlc |
| 17:15.01 | judd | abrotman: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 squeeze: 0.9.8a-3 sid: 0.9.9a-1 |
| 17:15.09 | abrotman | |newbie|: so aptitude install vlc |
| 17:15.10 | SQlvpapir_ | |newbie|: its in the vlc? |
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| 17:16.11 | |newbie| | needing dependencies and i cant get them work |
| 17:16.31 | SQlvpapir_ | |newbie|: what repos are you using? |
| 17:16.39 | |newbie| | libavcodec52 (>= 3:0.svn20090303-1) |
| 17:16.58 | SQlvpapir_ | |newbie|: what repos are you using? |
| 17:17.45 | SQlvpapir_ | just checked on both a lenny and a squeeze system and no dependency problems at all with the vlc package |
| 17:17.59 | |newbie| | hmmm |
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| 17:18.20 | SQlvpapir_ | how does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
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| 17:18.51 | |newbie| | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main |
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| 17:18.58 | abrotman | hope you have more than that |
| 17:19.04 | abrotman | |newbie|: paste.debian.net |
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| 17:19.53 | Octy92 | should a " Program to learn linux basics" go to Applications/Education ? |
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| 17:19.56 | Octy92 | in the menu |
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| 17:22.38 | abrotman | Octy92: i wouldn't think so .. that seems more like something for basic education .. like math/reading applications |
| 17:22.50 | Octy92 | math? |
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| 17:23.36 | jelly | abrotman: learning OS is learning too! |
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| 17:24.03 | jelly | System -> Newbz |
| 17:24.21 | jcm | hi, after migration to lenny, php4-mysql is an unavailable packet; how should I replace it ? |
| 17:24.22 | Octy92 | abrotman, but i also think it has nothing to do with math/reading applications... |
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| 17:24.49 | |newbie| | thx all guys...workin on it |
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| 17:29.44 | caotic | does debian has a file where commands can listed to be execute at boot ? |
| 17:30.01 | caotic | I dont know if the file /etc/rc.local is distro specific |
| 17:30.29 | beardy | !run at boot |
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| 17:31.01 | beardy | caotic: Use cron to run things at boot. Read 'man 5 crontab', use @reboot. |
| 17:31.19 | at0m | caotic, check sysv-rc-conf |
| 17:31.32 | at0m | it lists system services and their runlevel |
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| 17:32.12 | at0m | checks crontab |
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| 17:33.56 | abrotman | Octy92: i believe that if you read the menu docs, it tells you what goes where |
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| 17:35.05 | cognitiaclaeves | How do I get paste.py from here?: http://paste.debian.net/paste.pl?show_template=clients |
| 17:35.34 | jcm | I updated my server to lenny, an my old php4 site is no more served; is there a howto-make-php4-run-on-lenny ? |
| 17:36.34 | cognitiaclaeves | nvm... found it by randomly clicking on crap... ;) |
| 17:36.42 | Octy92 | abrotman, i read the menu policy, but found nothing |
| 17:37.20 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu-policy/ch2.html |
| 17:37.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | caotic, well, as /etc/rc.local exists (and the comments within it explain when it is executed) you can obviously use it... |
| 17:37.50 | Octy92 | abrotman, yes but i cant find anything about that |
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| 17:39.01 | abrotman | Octy92: Applications/Education |
| 17:39.01 | abrotman | Educational and training softwares. |
| 17:39.09 | abrotman | Examples: gtypist, gcompris, quiz |
| 17:39.10 | npk | hi..how come pidgin is not working even after a fresh install?? |
| 17:39.16 | abrotman | npk: need more info |
| 17:39.49 | npk | i got a bug report after creating an account |
| 17:40.17 | SQlvpapir_ | |newbie|: are you on lenny/squeeze/sid amd64/i386 etc? |
| 17:40.38 | Octy92 | abrotman, ok then. Thanks |
| 17:40.40 | npk | lenny/i386 |
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| 17:42.51 | gaintsura | hey all, I just realized that my volume wheel on my laptop doesn't work, how can I fix that? |
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| 17:45.24 | beardy | That depends what your "volume wheel" actually is and does, what key codes it sends. |
| 17:46.07 | beardy | If you find that out (I'm sure a search on your model + linux would solve that.) there's most likely something that can take care of it. |
| 17:47.05 | caotic | thanks, sorry for the lag :P |
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| 17:50.22 | boss85 | Ciao a tutti!!! |
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| 17:59.30 | pbn | Hello are there some web browsers in Debian when you can disable the address bar and make sure the user can't enable it again ? |
| 18:00.17 | jelly | !kiosk |
| 18:00.23 | jelly | oh fudge |
| 18:00.26 | jelly | %kiosk |
| 18:00.26 | aptitude | kiosk is, like, /bin/su -c "/usr/bin/X11/startx" - kiosk (/usr/sbin/kiosk); kk:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/kiosk (/etc/inittab); telinit q, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/ |
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| 18:00.56 | jelly | pbn: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:01.17 | pbn | yeah a kiosk basically :) |
| 18:01.24 | pbn | thanks for the link, gonna look that |
| 18:01.34 | azeem | /usr/sbin/kiosk doesn't seem to be in Debian |
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| 18:03.24 | pbn | hum http://www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/ |
| 18:03.29 | pbn | .. .gives a 404 not found |
| 18:03.30 | jelly | %factinfo kiosk |
| 18:03.31 | aptitude | kiosk -- last modified at Fri Mar 17 08:45:33 2006 by tarzeau!n=tarzeau@80-219-77-180.dclient.hispeed.ch; it has been requested 7 times, last by jelly, 3m 4s ago. |
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| 18:04.17 | jeroe | HI, I need help for Evolution and bogofilter. Manual check for SPAM works, and the ./bogofilter/wordlist.db exists, but no automatic SPAM-filtering ??? |
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| 18:08.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, dpkg on vacation? |
| 18:10.20 | simonrvn | looks it |
| 18:12.19 | hoxu | %flw |
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| 18:16.14 | Christ_ | good day people |
| 18:16.30 | Christ_ | could you please help me to find an specific package? |
| 18:16.55 | petemc | !tell Christ_ about search |
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| 18:17.06 | petemc | hmm, no bot |
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| 18:17.30 | petemc | &test |
| 18:17.36 | ravenbird | No, petemc, you're not online any more. |
| 18:17.46 | Christ_ | so i need the package linux-source-2.6.28 |
| 18:17.49 | petemc | &search |
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| 18:17.50 | ravenbird | try to use 'apt-cache search <regex>' instead of abusing the bots and flooding the channel. see also msg, or dpkg -S search, or cat /var/lib/dpkg/available| grep Package| grep <blah>, or http://packages.debian.org, or /msg dpkg find <thing> |
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| 18:18.51 | keith4 | Christ_: sid has 2.6.29, lenny has 2.6.26 |
| 18:19.02 | keith4 | can't imagine why you'd want 2.6.28 |
| 18:19.16 | Christ_ | yeah, i know, but i need 2.6.28 because i need it to recompile Vbox |
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| 18:20.16 | keith4 | if you're running 2.6.28, it means you're running unstable? |
| 18:20.54 | Christ_ | noup, it means that i'm running Lenny and i downloaded and compiled the 2.6.28 kernel |
| 18:21.10 | keith4 | ha |
| 18:21.55 | Christ_ | can you help me keith4? |
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| 18:24.10 | keith4 | not even close |
| 18:24.31 | Christ_ | ok, ill upgrade to 2.6.29 from SID |
| 18:24.44 | Christ_ | thanks anyway for your attention ^^ |
| 18:24.48 | keith4 | you downloaded and compiled a kernel.. but you don't have the source? impressive |
| 18:25.03 | Christ_ | is a looooon history |
| 18:25.07 | Christ_ | *long :P |
| 18:25.12 | Christ_ | Cya ^^ |
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| 18:31.56 | Speedy059 | What's the SSH command to see if you are running 32Bit or 64Bit? |
| 18:32.27 | jelly | ssh? |
| 18:32.30 | Speedy059 | nm |
| 18:32.34 | jelly | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 18:32.35 | twolane | exec uname -m |
| 18:32.36 | Speedy059 | "arch" shows it |
| 18:32.38 | halflife08 | Speedy059: ssh command ?? uname -a should give you locally |
| 18:32.43 | twolane | oops |
| 18:33.18 | jmichaelx | could someone possibly tell me how to add nm-applet to the xfce panel in lenny? |
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| 18:34.58 | amphi | jmichaelx: there's an xfce panel applet for loading gnome applets, FWIW |
| 18:35.04 | dkr | maybe it has a "swallow" feature? |
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| 18:36.03 | zorton | best solution for java-plugin on amd64? icedtea dosen't seem to work with an appliet I need to load |
| 18:36.16 | xororand | zorton: sun java6 for amd64 |
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| 18:36.34 | xororand | i don't know if it's officially released yet but their beta preview worked just fine for me in the last 2 months |
| 18:36.37 | maligor | java has a non-free plugin |
| 18:36.38 | zorton | xororand: meaning use javapackage and compile it myself |
| 18:36.41 | maligor | err.. sun |
| 18:36.44 | zorton | on amd64? |
| 18:36.48 | maligor | yes |
| 18:36.52 | xororand | zorton: they have a binary for amd64 |
| 18:36.55 | jmichaelx | amphi, ty, i had forgotten about that. i'll see if i can figure that out. |
| 18:37.01 | maligor | I'm not sure if it's in lenny tho |
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| 18:37.19 | zorton | i'm missing somethign then, I don't see the package showing up in aptitude |
| 18:38.13 | xororand | idk if it's debian yet |
| 18:38.26 | maligor | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/sun-java6-plugin |
| 18:38.41 | maligor | you need non-free |
| 18:38.53 | plb_ | I'm on squeeze and installed ati proprietary drivers from the repos, x loads but gl apps work. fgl_glxgears I get a blank window..mplayer same thing when using gl driver |
| 18:38.55 | zorton | maligor: sure enough that will do it |
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| 18:39.04 | zorton | the wiki was pointing towards the version 5 package |
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| 18:40.17 | JordiGH | Gnome has stopped automounting pendrives... any idea why? :-( |
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| 18:41.34 | JordiGH | Oh... I wonder if it's that character encoding thing. |
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| 18:43.15 | necroforest | Hi, I just installed Debian Squeeze on my laptop. I really really want to use Amarok2, but I guess it requires SID packages. Is there anyway I can have it install just the few dependencies it needs from SID without upgrading to that release? |
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| 18:48.51 | jelly | necroforest: wait until kde4 is completely present in squeeze |
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| 18:52.48 | zorton | for further fun in java land: the applet i'm attempting to run requires java 1.4 meaning it probaly needs java5 |
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| 18:52.59 | jmichaelx | what does one need to install to get nm-applet? i have installed network-manager-gnome, but am still unable to find nm-applet. |
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| 18:53.52 | JordiGH | network-manager, peut-être? |
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| 18:56.53 | Stanlin | alo |
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| 18:57.30 | Stanlin | HEllo, and help, what is an easy alternative to Ncurses, to make a simple menu with forms??? |
| 18:57.34 | maligor | zorton, they should be backwards compatible |
| 18:57.48 | maligor | zorton, java5 is 1.5.0 tho |
| 18:58.31 | maligor | infact I don't really remember seeing any java bytecode that wasn't |
| 18:59.03 | MidgetSpy | Hey all I'm running an old etch install and tried apt-get install mdadm the other day and it told me it wanted to install libc6 and remove my kernel and some other scary stuff... do I need to upgrade to lenny or something? |
| 18:59.23 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: probably |
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| 18:59.36 | jpinx | !tell MidgetSpy about etch->lenny |
| 18:59.44 | MidgetSpy | I tried asking dpkg but it's not online |
| 18:59.54 | jpinx | wot? no bot? |
| 19:00.05 | jpinx | bugger:-/ |
| 19:00.27 | adb | sure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" or "stable" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>. |
| 19:00.29 | MidgetSpy | I assume I can upgrade all through apt without worrying about breaking the server? |
| 19:00.59 | MidgetSpy | thx |
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| 19:01.06 | jmichaelx | i am trying to add nm-applet to the xfce panel, but am having no luck. i have xfapplet installed, but nm-applet is not listed as an option. would anyone have a suggestion as to how to add this applet? |
| 19:01.17 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: I saved the dpkg response from earlier |
| 19:01.27 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" or "stable" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.) |
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| 19:02.15 | themill | MidgetSpy: make sure your sources.list has "etch" in it and not "stable" first. |
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| 19:02.19 | valdyn | jmichaelx: despite its name its not a panel applet |
| 19:02.24 | MidgetSpy | if I apt update; apt distupgrade with "stable" sources in my sources.list won't that try to... yeah, that's what I was gonna ask themill |
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| 19:02.38 | valdyn | jmichaelx: run it from a shell, and it should show in the dock |
| 19:02.40 | MidgetSpy | themill: just replace "stable" with "etch" and then update? |
| 19:02.50 | jmichaelx | valdyn, ty, i will give that a try |
| 19:03.06 | themill | MidgetSpy: as long as you don't already have an etch/lenny mix, that should be ok |
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| 19:03.39 | jmichaelx | valdyn, i get 'gtk-warning cannot open display' |
| 19:03.41 | MidgetSpy | I'm pretty sure this server was installed from an etch CD and never touched since so I should be good, thanks. |
| 19:03.49 | valdyn | jmichaelx: dock is the wrong words, same place as some applications like skype or instant messaging programs in general place an icon |
| 19:04.00 | valdyn | jmichaelx: hmm, are you tring it as root? |
| 19:04.07 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: use the release name, not it's state in sources.list |
| 19:04.34 | MidgetSpy | jpinx: right, just replace stable with etch like themill said, ya? |
| 19:04.40 | valdyn | jmichaelx: gnome calls that "Notification Area" i think |
| 19:04.52 | jmichaelx | valdyn, i got that error as root. i just tried it again as user, and got the error that security policies do not allow it |
| 19:05.01 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: for the first part - yes - get your etch up to date |
| 19:05.03 | valdyn | jmichaelx: in debian? |
| 19:05.11 | valdyn | jmichaelx: sid? squeeze? |
| 19:05.11 | jmichaelx | valdyn, yes, in lenny |
| 19:05.23 | valdyn | jmichaelx: ok, you need to be in the netdev group |
| 19:05.27 | jmichaelx | ahh |
| 19:05.31 | jmichaelx | ok, brb |
| 19:05.54 | cwheeler | is there a pastebin for this channel? |
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| 19:06.04 | valdyn | !paste |
| 19:06.12 | valdyn | cwheeler: nope, use any pastebin |
| 19:06.23 | cwheeler | i don't remember any |
| 19:06.25 | jpinx | cwheeler: tyr pastebinit |
| 19:06.35 | jmichaelx | valdyn, do i add user to netdev with 'adduser'? |
| 19:06.39 | valdyn | !fgi cwheeler pastebin |
| 19:06.43 | valdyn | ops |
| 19:06.46 | valdyn | cwheeler: use google |
| 19:06.51 | valdyn | jmichaelx: adduser username groupname |
| 19:06.52 | adb | http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 19:06.58 | jmichaelx | ty |
| 19:07.03 | jmichaelx | ty |
| 19:07.19 | MidgetSpy | hm the source in my sources.list doesn't seem to have the etch stuff - is where somewhere I can get a list of the official debian source mirrors? |
| 19:07.53 | jmichaelx | valdyn, SWEET. tyvm |
| 19:08.04 | themill | aptitude: tell MidgetSpy about mirrors |
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| 19:08.54 | cwheeler | http://pastebin.com/m693905cc |
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| 19:09.05 | cwheeler | I'm trying to install dovecot on lenny |
| 19:09.16 | cwheeler | and get the error in that pastebin post |
| 19:09.20 | jpinx | aptitude: tell MidgetSpy about sources |
| 19:09.51 | MidgetSpy | Hmm, I'm using one of the mirrors on that list already, I guess I'll try a different one |
| 19:09.53 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.14 | r0rr3 | hello. if anybode knows the issue with the openbox+xcompmgr=openGl xv tearing, please respond |
| 19:10.57 | themill | MidgetSpy: perhaps pastebin your sources.list and the error you're getting |
| 19:11.13 | Eulex | r0rr3, I believe that is also related to the driver, and I also believe that there's no way of syncing to vsync with composite + xvideo at the moment |
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| 19:11.18 | necroforest | Can Squeeze read EXT4 filesystems without manually buliding a kernel? |
| 19:11.25 | valdyn | r0rr3: why the hell are you using xcompmgr? |
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| 19:11.52 | r0rr3 | valdyn, hmm...dunno, it's nice :) |
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| 19:12.21 | r0rr3 | i stop using using it cause of tearing anyway |
| 19:12.26 | r0rr3 | stoped* |
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| 19:13.24 | valdyn | r0rr3: xcompmgr has opengl support of any kind? or what does that opengl stand for? |
| 19:13.28 | MidgetSpy | themill: I got a few "Couldn't stat source package list" errors but the 2nd time I ran aptitude update it ran with no errors. is that normal? |
| 19:13.54 | r0rr3 | valdyn: nope, it doesn't |
| 19:14.13 | valdyn | r0rr3: so you mean that opengl _and_ xv are tearing |
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| 19:14.31 | r0rr3 | it somehow screws up the OpenGL sync |
| 19:14.33 | valdyn | r0rr3: which both might be the same anyway depending on drivers |
| 19:14.33 | themill | MidgetSpy: no, not normal unless you edited your sources.list in between |
| 19:14.34 | r0rr3 | yes |
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| 19:15.00 | valdyn | r0rr3: so which drivers ? |
| 19:15.01 | MidgetSpy | themill: http://pastebin.com/m2d2891ab |
| 19:15.06 | r0rr3 | valdyn: i guess so |
| 19:15.12 | gravity | guesses intel |
| 19:15.12 | r0rr3 | valdyn: 180.44 |
| 19:15.20 | r0rr3 | nvidia |
| 19:15.29 | gravity | or... not |
| 19:15.49 | r0rr3 | i think, the problem is up to xorg |
| 19:16.24 | valdyn | it does not tear for me, but i was only using metacities compositor |
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| 19:17.07 | r0rr3 | valdyn: out of gnome? |
| 19:17.23 | r0rr3 | or within it? |
| 19:17.35 | r0rr3 | if it's possible... |
| 19:18.12 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: you might want to un-comment the non-free lines in case you have something installed from non-free |
| 19:18.39 | valdyn | r0rr3: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=126669 |
| 19:18.44 | valdyn | r0rr3: read the whole thread |
| 19:18.49 | r0rr3 | valdyn: i see. metacity is a wm, |
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| 19:19.03 | MidgetSpy | jpinx: well those yorku mirrors weren't working, I can just add non-free to the ftp.ca.debian.org line right? |
| 19:19.10 | valdyn | r0rr3: yea, but that doesnt really matter |
| 19:19.49 | r0rr3 | valdyn: i've read that :) and they came to compiz clue, not xcompmgr |
| 19:19.49 | valdyn | r0rr3: as according to that thread you'd see tearing with any kind of composite desktop anyway |
| 19:19.53 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: ok - add lines for non-free at your ca mirror |
| 19:20.06 | r0rr3 | nono, there's a way out for compiz |
| 19:20.15 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: then run aptitude update |
| 19:20.30 | r0rr3 | valdyn: may be not in that thread |
| 19:20.48 | valdyn | r0rr3: you can apply part of their measures too |
| 19:21.25 | r0rr3 | valdyn: tried. didn't help. well, ok, it doesn't matter |
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| 19:21.27 | r0rr3 | thanks |
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| 19:21.43 | valdyn | r0rr3: sync to vblank doesnt help? |
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| 19:22.13 | r0rr3 | yes. it's on, but somehow being ignored |
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| 19:22.38 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: then run aptitude dist-upgrade to get your existing etch up to date |
| 19:22.40 | valdyn | r0rr3: theres sync to vblank in opengl settings and also in video settings |
| 19:22.53 | MidgetSpy | jpinx: like so: http://rafb.net/p/ALUhsf17.html |
| 19:22.53 | r0rr3 | without xcompgr running, everything's good |
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| 19:23.09 | r0rr3 | valdyn: yeah, i know, and it's on |
| 19:23.34 | MidgetSpy | err, that was supposed to be a question (like so?) |
| 19:24.15 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: Don't forget the line that says - deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian etch main |
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| 19:24.38 | Mac101 | hi is there any 3rd party repo with truecrypt in it? |
| 19:24.43 | hanibana | hi all :) |
| 19:24.47 | hanibana | is there any commands that list installed packages with their installation date? |
| 19:24.53 | Mac101 | or anyone willing to help me comile it on debain 5 :( ? |
| 19:25.03 | Mac101 | compile* |
| 19:25.19 | MidgetSpy | jpinx: line 4 in that paste doesn't cut it? |
| 19:25.39 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: line for is non-free |
| 19:26.01 | jpinx | *four |
| 19:26.01 | HardDisk_WP | how do I label a window again in GNU screen? |
| 19:26.25 | MidgetSpy | jpinx: it says main non-free contrib, I thought it was for all 3? I need one line for each? |
| 19:26.38 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: ctrl-a+A |
| 19:26.49 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: one line each ;) |
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| 19:27.23 | hanibana | any idea? |
| 19:27.28 | hanibana | :/ |
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| 19:27.42 | zepard | hi all |
| 19:27.43 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, thx... and how do I reverse the split command? (or alternatively, how do I go to the lower half of the screen? |
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| 19:28.13 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: damn you, read the manpage |
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| 19:28.33 | Mac101 | anyone :( i been tryin for eons :( ? |
| 19:28.39 | themill | jpinx: huh? |
| 19:28.45 | jetpda | I guess it works now |
| 19:28.59 | MidgetSpy | jpinx: ok, like so? http://rafb.net/p/p3r5US11.html |
| 19:29.10 | jpinx | themill: huh? what? |
| 19:29.17 | jetpda | how long is an eon again? :) |
| 19:29.36 | themill | jpinx: [20:26] <jpinx> MidgetSpy: one line each ;) |
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| 19:29.54 | codeshepherd | [ ! -f /var/run/nginx.pid ] || kill -USR1 `cat /var/run/nginx.pid` ====> what does this command do ? i find these in nginx logrotate conf .. |
| 19:30.57 | jpinx | themill: is it not so? I always did that. |
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| 19:31.14 | themill | jpinx: no. what he had looked fine to me. |
| 19:31.24 | jpinx | themill: fair enough |
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| 19:31.33 | themill | dpkg, wb |
| 19:31.34 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
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| 19:31.42 | jpinx | tends to fail-safe when possible ;) |
| 19:31.47 | jetpda | finds if nginx is running and kills nginx, at qaguess |
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| 19:31.50 | tty3 | Hello |
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| 19:32.04 | tty3 | I have a problem compilating... http://pastebin.com/m4a7357d3 with wine |
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| 19:32.09 | tty3 | Can help me please? |
| 19:32.10 | jetpda | or -usr |
| 19:32.16 | superdump | hello |
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| 19:32.54 | jetpda | compiling |
| 19:33.00 | superdump | i've just purchased a core i7 machine with an intel x58 chipset motherboard and i'm trying to install lenny 5.0.1 amd64 on it |
| 19:33.07 | themill | tty3: any reason you're not just using debian's packages for wine? |
| 19:33.17 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: that looks ok to me |
| 19:33.28 | superdump | when it gets to the scanning disks stage just before partitioning, it makes the hard drives churn non-stop |
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| 19:33.48 | superdump | is this a known issue? does anyone have any suggestions how to stop it doing that? |
| 19:33.50 | MidgetSpy | jpinx: ok, here goes for dist-upgrad, thanks for the help. |
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| 19:34.05 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: do the update, upgrade and dist-upgrade on etch before moving up |
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| 19:34.23 | tty3 | themill, The wine 1.x is a shit version, i'm interested use wine 0.9.44 |
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| 19:35.06 | themill | tty3: uhuh.... that's not really a sustainable position... Wouldn't it be easier to fix wine? |
| 19:35.19 | pappanz_ | hello. does anyone know of a clever way to organize/manage scientific papers? |
| 19:35.27 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: then just substitute lenny in sources.list and do aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade |
| 19:35.34 | MidgetSpy | jpinx: upgrade? I thought dpkg just said update and dist-upgrade |
| 19:35.34 | themill | pappanz_: jabref is my preferred method |
| 19:36.08 | valdyn | tty3: use sdn to get old debian packages, like wine 0.9.44 |
| 19:36.18 | tty3 | sdn :/ |
| 19:36.26 | jpinx | MidgetSpy: go with what aptitude told you - that's what worked for me ;) |
| 19:36.26 | themill | dpkg: tell tty3 about sdn |
| 19:36.26 | valdyn | tty3: thats snapshot.debian.net |
| 19:36.27 | pappanz_ | themill: I tried jabref for a while, but how do you organize the pdfs with it? I knew it was used to create bibliographies... |
| 19:36.30 | tty3 | ok thank for you ask |
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| 19:37.31 | themill | pappanz_: there were a couple of threads on the debian-science list over the last couple of months. In jabref, you can associate one or more files with each bibtex entry; you can also tag entries. |
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| 19:38.04 | tty3 | answer, sorry my bad english |
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| 19:38.27 | pappanz_ | themill: then I'll try to locate those threads! |
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| 19:44.16 | liza | Hello. I wonder if my gnu as is broken. It says to me urecognized option '-mcpu'. Why is this? |
| 19:44.25 | Mac101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.35 | tty3 | :( |
| 19:44.45 | tty3 | Cannot link with debian sdn |
| 19:44.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mac101, everything is 'possible' |
| 19:44.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 19:45.08 | liza | or should I use another OS for this? |
| 19:45.36 | maligor | Mac101, in many cases, yeah, but not recommended |
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| 19:45.57 | Mac101 | cant get truecrypt working on lenny |
| 19:46.10 | Mac101 | was wondering if i could just use the ubuntu deb |
| 19:46.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | liza, are you talking about gcc? |
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| 19:46.39 | liza | CutMeOwnThroat: No. gnu as. |
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| 19:46.52 | liza | CutMeOwnThroat: in binutils package |
| 19:46.53 | maligor | Mac101, if it's kernel tied, it might depend on dkms |
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| 19:47.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | a gnu is an animal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnu |
| 19:47.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !gnu |
| 19:47.54 | dpkg | methinks gnu is a recursive acronym which stands for GNU's Not UNIX. The GNU project is dedicated to the creation of a 100% Free Software Operating System, its homepage is at http://gnu.org |
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| 19:48.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and a project |
| 19:48.25 | liza | CutMeOwnThroat: it seem that debian package does not work as I expect. that the problem. |
| 19:48.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but not a program that has options |
| 19:48.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | dnt mix up ubuntu deb packages with debian |
| 19:48.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | liza, be precise - what program do you run with what options, what do you expect and what do you get |
| 19:48.57 | liza | CutMeOwnThroat: I say again it is gnu as, and it normally take -mcpu option. |
| 19:48.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | once I did and it messed my system |
| 19:49.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 19:49.05 | liza | CutMeOwnThroat: as -mcpu |
| 19:49.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh :) |
| 19:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I always read as as a word :) |
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| 19:49.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which didn't make sense) |
| 19:49.43 | liza | CutMeOwnThroat: I expect it to assemble code for cpu, but it only does work for x86 it seems. It is not normal. |
| 19:49.55 | liza | CutMeOwnThroat: So i wonder if it is me that broke it or debian is broked. |
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| 19:50.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !pipe |
| 19:50.58 | dpkg | it has been said that pipe is aptitude install manpages; man 7 pipe |
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| 19:52.04 | liza | CutMeOwnThroat: ok it seem I must build package of my own. Thank you for the help. |
| 19:53.04 | valdyn | iirc mcpu was deprecated long ago |
| 19:53.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | liza, hm, don't see anything http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=binutils;dist=stable |
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| 19:53.31 | valdyn | liza: we arent you using -march ? |
| 19:53.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, it's in the manpage, though |
| 19:53.41 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: manpages are broken |
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| 19:53.48 | liza | CutMeOwnThroat: No it is me that is confuse. It must built for specific architecture. |
| 19:53.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, ok, that makes sense |
| 19:54.09 | liza | valdyn: -march is no what I want :-) |
| 19:54.12 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: they're usually behind times i mean |
| 19:54.26 | valdyn | liza: why not? |
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| 19:54.52 | liza | valdyn: also it no list my architecture as support. But I look around more and find I must build as myself. |
| 19:54.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | as --help only lists -march=cpu and -mtune=CPU |
| 19:55.08 | liza | -mtune only for x86 |
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| 19:55.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i wonder why is it always i have to add a "noapic" parameter running a 32 bit linux for my AMD's |
| 19:55.25 | valdyn | liza: debian doesnt ship the universal cross asssembler for all i know |
| 19:55.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | since 3 years |
| 19:55.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S |
| 19:55.34 | valdyn | liza: and if it does then its an extra package |
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| 19:55.57 | liza | valdyn: yes there is no such it seems. I thought it was there. :-) |
| 19:56.04 | cahoot | sh4d3sl4y3r_: crappy bios? |
| 19:56.22 | liza | Now I go back to code. good evening and thank for help. |
| 19:57.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | no man. its with most of the people using amd's if you see |
| 19:57.57 | cahoot | sh4d3sl4y3r_: not for me |
| 19:57.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Athlon? |
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| 19:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | liza... |
| 19:58.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | BAH |
| 19:58.21 | cahoot | sh4d3sl4y3r_: one athlon one turion |
| 19:58.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you search for their solution and inadvertently they drop out 2 minutes before you find it |
| 19:58.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I HATE that |
| 19:58.34 | valdyn | which cpu support was he looking for? |
| 19:58.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i have one Athlon XP 2400 + and one Athlon X2 4400= |
| 19:58.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno |
| 19:58.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the package he was looking for was binutils-multiarch I guess (only (s)he can know) |
| 19:59.01 | cahoot | Athlon XP 2400 sounds like my old desktop |
| 19:59.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | and liza should be 'she'? |
| 19:59.22 | valdyn | it wouldnt be polite |
| 19:59.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol. still its one speedy bitch if provided with good amount of ram and GPU |
| 19:59.27 | valdyn | and i dont know genders here |
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| 19:59.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | got it around mid 2005 |
| 19:59.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, 'it'? |
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| 19:59.50 | cahoot | Athlon XP 2400 sounds like my old desktop - and it doesn't need noapic |
| 19:59.55 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: theres no polite gender neutral word |
| 20:00.00 | meshuggah | hello, i played a game and when exiting, the screen is way to big, how can i refresh the display? |
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| 20:00.07 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | dnt know, mite be the bios.....both using Asus Mobo |
| 20:00.14 | meshuggah | without restarting? |
| 20:00.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, there is... "you" :) |
| 20:00.28 | MidgetSpy | during my aptitude dist-upgrade to get my etch up to date before switching to lenny I noticed this: http://rafb.net/p/cd8H2477.html <-- is that as bad as it sounds? |
| 20:00.43 | action09 | meshuggah it seems a tune to X, maybe try to increase display resolution by hitting ctrl + alt + "+" |
| 20:00.50 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: 3rd person! ;) |
| 20:00.51 | deb-eater | I go my Athlon based desktop in november 2008 |
| 20:00.52 | meshuggah | MidgetSpy, i didnt checked, but i upgraded and broken X |
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| 20:01.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, 'liza' :-P |
| 20:01.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Athlon ROCKS |
| 20:01.02 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :D |
| 20:01.04 | meshuggah | action09, wow, thank man |
| 20:01.10 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: point |
| 20:01.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | my first computer was a Athlon 1800 compaq presario.. |
| 20:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and if it's not neutral, then it's at least correct) |
| 20:01.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | always been amd user.. except my notebook for which i had to go for Intel :( |
| 20:01.35 | deb-eater | Athlon X2 5600 + kicks a intell ass X10 |
| 20:01.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yo man |
| 20:01.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | agree |
| 20:01.54 | MidgetSpy | meshuggah: I have no X on this machine but missing dependancy for my kernel sounds worse than broken X? |
| 20:02.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | my first computer had a 8088, but that's kinda offtopic, no? |
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| 20:02.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !offtopic |
| 20:02.11 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 20:02.17 | aoeu | are there any compressed filesystems in linux? |
| 20:02.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | when not busy its ok here |
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| 20:02.30 | meshuggah | CutMeOwnThroat, mine was 80286, but began on 8088 at my friedn one, yes this is kinsda offtopic |
| 20:02.37 | valdyn | aoeu: yea, but not what you want, i bet |
| 20:02.47 | jelly-home | sh4d3sl4y3r_: when there are any questions, it's not |
| 20:03.51 | deb-eater | CutMeOwnThroat: 8088 that sounds like the old bricksd they used to sell as desktops |
| 20:03.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i dont think there are any. so its fine thts wat i wanted to say |
| 20:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | they were not old back then! |
| 20:03.51 | aoeu | i am going to be running a machine off a 2GB flash card, and need as much space as possible |
| 20:03.52 | meshuggah | deb-eater, these days were good, i was the computer god in my town in these days |
| 20:03.52 | aoeu | is there anything for apt-get i can delete? |
| 20:03.55 | jelly-home | aoeu: start with a base system and build up |
| 20:03.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoeu, 'apt-cache clean' |
| 20:03.58 | aoeu | like have a chroot on another drive and have all the important files, and rsync it to the laptop when i need to install packages or upgrade |
| 20:03.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm flush the cache to save space |
| 20:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
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| 20:04.07 | aoeu | i mean apt databases |
| 20:04.12 | aoeu | like in /var |
| 20:04.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yup like cutme suggested |
| 20:04.17 | meshuggah | CutMeOwnThroat, having 10 games on 360k disk was great |
| 20:04.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | meshuggah, hehe... except for the eye cancer |
| 20:04.40 | jelly-home | aoeu: anything in /var/cache can be deleted at will |
| 20:04.40 | meshuggah | with wonderful CGA |
| 20:05.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | suggest me a good dos emulator for linux.. wanna play those old dos games like pop / doom ;) |
| 20:05.01 | jelly-home | aoeu: (unless the service using it is running at that time) |
| 20:05.10 | jelly-home | sh4d3sl4y3r_: dosbox |
| 20:05.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm thanks |
| 20:05.24 | deb-eater | I can remeber when dsl was in its infincy back at the turn of the last Melinium |
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| 20:05.49 | jelly-home | I can remember when people at least tried to spell correctly. |
| 20:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | meshuggah, compare that 8088 to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N810 :-P |
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| 20:06.24 | meshuggah | CutMeOwnThroat, hmmk |
| 20:06.26 | deb-eater | jelly-home: Oh come on i gave it my best shot |
| 20:06.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | << is a sony ericsson fan |
| 20:06.44 | meshuggah | CutMeOwnThroat, do you know if the Tandy company is dead? |
| 20:06.54 | jelly-home | deb-eater: I hope it's not your native language. |
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| 20:07.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, I think tere waz susch a time - when waz id? |
| 20:07.22 | deb-eater | Nope english is my native language |
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| 20:07.45 | jelly-home | cries |
| 20:07.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | english is not my native |
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| 20:08.31 | deb-eater | I also speek bnary pretty fluantlly |
| 20:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | meshuggah, now THAT was kinda before my time |
| 20:08.42 | deb-eater | I also speek binary pretty fluantlly |
| 20:09.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | deb eater speak Python :p |
| 20:09.47 | deb-eater | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Unfortunatly I don't speak python |
| 20:09.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | "cuz if u liek raeding dis, ur a retard" |
| 20:09.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | shucks i need to start coding !! |
| 20:09.57 | MidgetSpy | Hey guys, during my aptitude dist-upgrade to get my etch up to date before switching to lenny I noticed this: http://rafb.net/p/cd8H2477.html <-- is that as bad as it sounds? If so can it be fixed (re-install initrd-tools somehow)? |
| 20:10.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | using computer so long but still lazy to learn a language properly :S |
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| 20:10.15 | meshuggah | CutMeOwnThroat, if u fill a 8088 with nokia n810, you would get a super-computer lol |
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| 20:10.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | will start with python |
| 20:10.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | meshuggah, man, would it be fun to travel back in time with a nokia n810 with 10GB diskspace... |
| 20:11.42 | meshuggah | CutMeOwnThroat, you will get shot by the governement, or kidnapped and be called an alien, and people will dissect your body lol |
| 20:11.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I wonder how to create an IRC channel |
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| 20:12.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | that little thingy could probably crack most of their crypto codes better than anything they have :) |
| 20:12.22 | meshuggah | sh4d3sl4y3r_, /join a channel that dont exist |
| 20:12.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | sh4d3sl4y3r_, /join #channel? |
| 20:12.26 | maligor | CutMeOwnThroat, Would be more amusing to travel back in time and show the engineers working on the first diskdrive a 16GB Micro SDHC card |
| 20:12.32 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | thats it? |
| 20:12.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : S |
| 20:12.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | thankx |
| 20:12.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 20:13.01 | jetpda | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | maligor, well, that tablet I would travel back with would have contained an 8GB class 6 micro SDHC card :) You could just take it out to show to those diskdrive guys |
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| 20:14.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | "100 of your hadrddisks on this little pastic thingy" |
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| 20:14.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | in short, progress has been amazing |
| 20:15.04 | jetpda | meke the tt device first |
| 20:15.05 | MidgetSpy | Oh boy... I think this system was actually sarge even though the /etc/debian_version said etch... so now I've done a dist-upgrade with etch sources which removed my initrd-tools. It's currently paused, can I kill it and tell aptitude to revert somehow? |
| 20:15.10 | jetpda | make |
| 20:15.26 | jetpda | no |
| 20:15.30 | jetpda | borkbork |
| 20:15.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | maligor, this might actually be an important mission - that nokia runs maemo and can also run debian... show it to them and tell them to forget about Microsoft :) |
| 20:15.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetpda, make -j3 |
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| 20:15.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is the source code of this dpkg bot available ;) |
| 20:15.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | funny thing |
| 20:16.02 | mirak | hi |
| 20:16.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !infobot |
| 20:16.05 | jetpda | yes infobot |
| 20:16.05 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more. NOTE: <Blootbot> (fork of infobot) has now replaced infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old. |
| 20:16.14 | mirak | how do I create a patch with @ instead of < > ?? |
| 20:16.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | nice |
| 20:16.23 | mirak | @ and + - |
| 20:16.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'man diff'? not sure what 'with @' means |
| 20:17.00 | jetpda | know thy perl |
| 20:17.11 | mirak | CutMeOwnThroat: I manned diff of course |
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| 20:17.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | diff -u is rather popular |
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| 20:18.09 | mirak | CutMeOwnThroat: ok tha's it |
| 20:18.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | <---- psychic |
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| 20:18.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you'll meet a dark, goodlooking stranger! |
| 20:19.19 | runa | heyas :) what can I use to make sure a file will be uploaded via sftp? ie, no matter what happens, the thing will try to reconnect and upload again. I was thinking lftp, but I'm open to suggestions |
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| 20:20.04 | MidgetSpy | are there any other debian support channels on this network? |
| 20:20.08 | surfdue | is there a way to ps aux and kill anything with the word curl ? |
| 20:20.17 | surfdue | i accidentally started 50 curl operations! |
| 20:20.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | MidgetSpy, yes |
| 20:20.33 | runa | surfdue: pkill |
| 20:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | surfdue, killall, pkill |
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| 20:20.54 | MidgetSpy | CutMeOwnThroat: which? |
| 20:21.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | MidgetSpy, many :) the non-english language-ones for example |
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| 20:22.31 | Jckf | How do I reload gai.conf after editing it? |
| 20:23.00 | surfdue | thanks guys! |
| 20:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | MidgetSpy, -kde -ppc |
| 20:23.08 | surfdue | big savior my computer was slowly dieing |
| 20:23.09 | surfdue | lol. |
| 20:23.21 | surfdue | chow til next time |
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| 20:24.16 | mirak | CutMeOwnThroat: how can one have a --- xx/file and +++ xxx/file identical with diff ?? |
| 20:24.27 | mirak | because my two folders are different |
| 20:24.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | xx != xxx ? |
| 20:25.24 | mirak | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry |
| 20:25.34 | mirak | CutMeOwnThroat: how can one have a --- xxx/file and +++ xxx/file identical with diff ?? |
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| 20:25.51 | mirak | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe from standart input ... ?? |
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| 20:26.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can edit the file after the diff... *shrug* |
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| 20:28.12 | mirak | CutMeOwnThroat: yes of course |
| 20:28.21 | mirak | I was wondering there was another way |
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| 20:29.49 | irated | how do you display teh x display your connected to |
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| 20:30.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo $DISPLAY |
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| 20:31.06 | irated | thank you |
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| 20:33.07 | irated | freaking |
| 20:33.07 | irated | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:33.59 | irated | Okay guys here is my scenario |
| 20:34.06 | irated | I have vncviewer running like this |
| 20:34.19 | irated | xvnc4viewer -listen -display :0.0 |
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| 20:34.43 | irated | but when i run a server to connect it shows the connection active but no display comes up |
| 20:34.46 | irated | anyideas |
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| 20:35.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | the server is supposed to connect to the client? |
| 20:35.30 | irated | to the listeing client correct |
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| 20:36.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird concept |
| 20:36.11 | irated | we use something called |
| 20:36.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | violates the meaning of "server", really |
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| 20:36.16 | irated | single click vnc |
| 20:36.37 | irated | so that the client in the field runs the single click vnc |
| 20:36.48 | irated | it reverse connects to the listening agent on your pc |
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| 20:37.06 | irated | makeing it so that every computer in the field does not have to have ports forwarded |
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| 20:37.27 | irated | CutMeOwnThroat: here is a link for more info |
| 20:37.29 | irated | http://www.uvnc.com/addons/singleclick.html |
| 20:37.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess the problem is more how you start the server |
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| 20:37.37 | irated | the server starts |
| 20:37.37 | neurobuntu | is it possible to create a fake eth device? i want to create a /dev/eth0 device and make my current eth0 /dev/eth1 |
| 20:37.39 | irated | it connects |
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| 20:37.55 | irated | but neurobuntu why would you wanna do that |
| 20:38.00 | irated | and yes its possible |
| 20:38.11 | patrikf | neurobuntu: check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 20:38.35 | irated | man mknod |
| 20:38.43 | patrikf | besides, there's no "/dev/eth0", it's not a device, but an interface |
| 20:38.59 | neurobuntu | irated, I need to set the mac address on my laptop eth0 to be the same as eth0 on my desktop but they are both plugged into the same router |
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| 20:39.14 | Sashi | omg why cant ppl LEARN TO LISTEN |
| 20:39.14 | irated | neurobuntu: hmm |
| 20:39.16 | Sashi | :P |
| 20:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | sniff, sniff |
| 20:39.18 | neurobuntu | so I need to create fake interface to spoof the mac and then make the real device eth1 |
| 20:39.20 | irated | Sashi: what? |
| 20:39.33 | Sashi | nothign irated lol |
| 20:39.33 | patrikf | neurobuntu: why do you want to have two devices have the same mac address? |
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| 20:39.33 | Sashi | im just pissed off irated |
| 20:39.34 | Sashi | im helping someone |
| 20:39.40 | Sashi | yet they arent lstening at all |
| 20:39.42 | irated | Sashi: I know the feeling |
| 20:39.47 | neurobuntu | patrikf, two different devices on two different computers |
| 20:39.48 | irated | Im trying to get my issue fixed |
| 20:39.53 | irated | its a pain in the ass |
| 20:39.55 | Sashi | i tell them to type something irated |
| 20:39.57 | neurobuntu | patrikf, I have software needs |
| 20:40.07 | Sashi | irated: then they do something completely different |
| 20:40.23 | jelly-home | Sashi: you want to rant in #debian-offtopic, not here |
| 20:40.27 | Sashi | :P |
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| 20:40.35 | jelly-home | that channel yearns for good rants |
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| 20:40.40 | irated | Sashi: it happens |
| 20:40.48 | irated | Im about to start a rant |
| 20:40.59 | irated | no one has anyidea why my shit is not working |
| 20:41.00 | patrikf | neurobuntu: I cannot think of a single case where such a setup should exist. I might be able to show you an easier solution, but for that you have to detail your "software needs" for two network cards to have the same mac adress |
| 20:41.10 | jelly-home | !any idea |
| 20:41.10 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little vegemite, and a handful of starving dairy cows. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 20:41.12 | irated | patrikf: wpa hacking |
| 20:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | irated, how do you know it connects |
| 20:41.15 | irated | wep hacking |
| 20:41.16 | irated | :) |
| 20:41.24 | irated | CutMeOwnThroat: it says so on the client side |
| 20:41.25 | irated | look |
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| 20:41.50 | patrikf | irated: but you could just set the mac address for hacking and then set it back again then |
| 20:41.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | patrikf, he wants to run an illegal copy of a software whose licensing checks the mac ... "software needs" :) |
| 20:42.07 | jelly-home | neurobuntu: what are you really trying to do? |
| 20:42.08 | neurobuntu | patrikf, I'm running matlab which uses the macaddress of the eth0 for verification |
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| 20:42.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | talk about euphemisms |
| 20:42.24 | irated | Conn: Accepter connection from 10.50.0.33:54276 |
| 20:42.32 | irated | that enough proof |
| 20:42.43 | neurobuntu | I'd like to run it on a 2nd computer but to do that I need to have the mac address of eth0 be the same on two computers that share a network |
| 20:42.49 | irated | Accepted |
| 20:43.10 | patrikf | ... or, actually, buy a second copy of matlab, as they probably meant you to. |
| 20:43.15 | jelly-home | neurobuntu: this whole irc network has strong policies against warez. Please don't ask questiong about circumventing those |
| 20:43.26 | neurobuntu | jelly-home, not warez |
| 20:43.28 | neurobuntu | I paid for matlab |
| 20:43.35 | patrikf | yeah. for a single-place license |
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| 20:43.39 | neurobuntu | i just have a computer I leave at home and one i have at work |
| 20:43.41 | patrikf | if not, complain to the company |
| 20:43.52 | jelly-home | neurobuntu: ask the vendor for help. |
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| 20:45.00 | jelly-home | srsly, can't have two machines sharing a mac communicating in the same segment |
| 20:45.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, actually, I think that's not true |
| 20:45.40 | valdyn | jelly-home: hmm? who sais that mac has to even route anywhere? |
| 20:46.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, dhcp relies on mac |
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| 20:46.09 | jelly-home | valdyn: he did say "share a network" |
| 20:46.13 | cusco | hi |
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| 20:46.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, also, he didn't say he wants to connect eth0 |
| 20:46.33 | phcoder | Hello guys. Can this tool be incorporated into debian? http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/index.html |
| 20:46.34 | cusco | any boddy knows what package I need to install in order to have the ccgnu2-config |
| 20:46.42 | jelly-home | if one of them is not even connected, that's hardly "sharing" |
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| 20:46.50 | valdyn | yea |
| 20:46.54 | irated | CutMeOwnThroat: it even shows it in netstat |
| 20:47.31 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: eth. switches also kinda rely on macs |
| 20:47.59 | valdyn | phcoder: im pretty sure that a gpt partition editor is already in debian |
| 20:48.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, he wanted to have a dead eth0 with the same mac and a life eth1 with a different one iigtc |
| 20:48.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, but I think you can run two different computers with the same mac if they have different IPs |
| 20:48.30 | nick_h[litage] | would someone mind explaining what the -n option does for /bin/ln ? |
| 20:48.45 | phcoder | valdyn: really? Something other than parted? Because parted doesn't allow to change partition type |
| 20:48.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | (well, you *can* run them on the same IP as well, but that has all those unpleasant consequences) |
| 20:49.11 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: where would non-ip traffic choose to go? |
| 20:49.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | nick_h[litage], only after looking it up on the manpage |
| 20:49.14 | valdyn | phcoder: i see only parted at the moment |
| 20:49.32 | patrikf | that won't even work with IP |
| 20:49.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, which non-ip traffic would cause serious consequences? |
| 20:49.40 | patrikf | well, not in the same subnet anyway |
| 20:49.45 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: arp. |
| 20:49.46 | nick_h[litage] | CutMeOwnThroat: after reading the manpage and playing with /bin/ln , i'm still pretty foggy |
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| 20:50.13 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: anyway, I'm dropping it. |
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| 20:50.27 | valdyn | im sure it wouldnt be to hard to lead matlab to a virtual nic with whatever MAC anyway |
| 20:50.31 | halflife08 | hello folks, i am trying to use rdp setup on my desktop. (lenny/gnome) i used system-prefrecences -> remote desktop -> sharing enable that and the message there is use vncviewer foobar:0 on the remote host. on the remote host (lenny) when i do vncview foobar:0 i get the error Connected to RFB server using protocol version 3.7 , server did not offer supported security type. i am not sure what i am missing would appreciate help |
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| 20:50.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, pity - I wanted to ask "what consequences" - and not just for the sake of argument, but because I'm really interested |
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| 20:50.58 | jelly-home | #d-o |
| 20:51.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure |
| 20:53.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | nick_h[litage], I concede your poing :) |
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| 20:54.54 | valdyn | nick_h[litage]: leaving out -n makes ln reference the target of the target, if the (2nd) target is a symbolic link |
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| 20:56.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, right |
| 20:56.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I fooled myself by the choice of names when testing |
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| 20:58.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, hm, actually not - ln -s /tmp xxx; ln -s xxx yyy leads to yyy -> xxx |
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| 20:58.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and ln xxx zzz makes a hardlink to xxx (which is a soft-link pointing at /tmp) |
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| 21:02.45 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: damn manpage seems to be lying |
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| 21:03.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | right, blame it on the manpage! |
| 21:03.04 | Milosz | Sorry what is the tool again to update the changelog ? |
| 21:03.21 | patrikf | Milosz: dch |
| 21:03.42 | Milosz | patrikf, thanks |
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| 21:05.47 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: try with "ln -sn <randomname> <symlink_that_is_directory_and_already_exists>" |
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| 21:06.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean the other way around? |
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| 21:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | the 2nd one is the one that is created |
| 21:06.48 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
| 21:06.55 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
| 21:07.19 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: its a little different if the 2nd is a directory that already exists |
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| 21:08.12 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: see 3rd form in the panpage: ln [OPTION]... TARGET... DIRECTORY (3rd form) |
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| 21:08.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'mkdir a; ln -s asdf a/; ln -ns asdfg a/; ls -la a' ? |
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| 21:08.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I see |
| 21:08.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 21:08.44 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: yea, except that you get an error message in between |
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| 21:09.41 | valdyn | only use for this i can see is avoiding being fucked by preexisting stuff |
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| 21:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | what you meant was 'mkdir b; ln -s b a; ln -s asdf a/; ln -ns asdfg a/; ls -la a' but I see no difference in behavior |
| 21:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | no errors |
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| 21:10.39 | cusco | any boddy knows what package I need to install in order to have the ccgnu2-config |
| 21:10.46 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: you need to not use a / |
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| 21:11.11 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: / makes it a directory... you want the -n do its magic so it shows as a file if it is one |
| 21:11.19 | \amethyst | cusco: apt-file search ccgnu2-config => libcommoncpp2-dev: /usr/bin/ccgnu2-config |
| 21:11.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see, now there is a difference |
| 21:11.50 | cognitiaclaeves | I have a backported version of svn (1.5.6) that I'm trying to intelligently install over the stock svn 1.5.1. I've built out the .deb packages, and I've installed the first one, but it appears not to remove the current package and replace it as expected: http://paste.debian.net/33830 |
| 21:11.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | now there's a useless option |
| 21:11.59 | cusco | cheers \amethyst |
| 21:12.16 | cognitiaclaeves | Do I need to apt-get remove svn 1.5.1 first? |
| 21:12.19 | Laidback01 | hey, ran an update, and now none of my debian boxen are displaying php correctly... All I get are blank pages. Granted I have only 2 of these boxes, and all I'm doing is running phpmyadmin... but I can't even get a simple 3 line phpinfo() page to load. Always just blank white page. |
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| 21:12.41 | Laidback01 | anyone know why this is? |
| 21:13.07 | Arrowmaster | Laidback01: have you tried view source in your browser? |
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| 21:15.13 | Laidback01 | Arrowmaster: yeah, they are empty pages. I just copied that phpinfo.php page to the doc root of the server and it worked. So there's a perm problem with the phpmyadmin docroot. sorry to waste your guys time. |
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| 21:16.53 | bluethundr | I'm changing a machine's ip address by editing /etc/network/interfaces and issuing /etc/init.d/networking restart . but when I issue an ifconfig afterwards the ip is unchanged. what gives? |
| 21:17.23 | stew | bluethundr: is there an 'auto' line for that interface? |
| 21:17.41 | bluethundr | stew: let me check, plz. one sec |
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| 21:18.06 | bluethundr | no. iface eth0 inet static |
| 21:18.43 | pappanz | hello. may someone explain me how to fix this problem? http://paste.debian.net/33831/ The last line means more or less: "impossible to recognize image format for the file /home/paolo/gpapers/icons/favicon_acm.ico" |
| 21:18.49 | stew | bluethundr: unless there is an "auto eth0" line (separate from "iface eth0 inet static") /etc/init.d/networking restart wont touch it |
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| 21:19.12 | bluethundr | oh.. so I should just add auto to the file.. correct? |
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| 21:19.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | cognitiaclaeves, it does not? |
| 21:19.46 | cognitiaclaeves | it does not what? |
| 21:19.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | cognitiaclaeves, replace it - nothing in what you pasated indicates that |
| 21:19.55 | pappanz | it seems a package is missing... don't know which, though :) |
| 21:20.18 | bluethundr | okay, I edited the file and added auto.. that did not appear to work |
| 21:20.27 | bluethundr | ah! auto lo |
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| 21:20.35 | cognitiaclaeves | Ok, so removing it first is the right way to do it, then. |
| 21:20.39 | bluethundr | and auto eth0 |
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| 21:20.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | cognitiaclaeves, what makes you think that it didn't replace it |
| 21:21.01 | stew | bluethundr: whan happens if you run "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" ? |
| 21:21.18 | bluethundr | checking.. also I see the line allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 21:21.20 | stew | bluethundr: how about putting your /etc/network/interfaces into a pastebin? |
| 21:21.29 | bluethundr | sure one sec. thanks |
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| 21:21.31 | cognitiaclaeves | CutMeOwnThroat: The aptitude command showing the installed package to be the stock package. |
| 21:22.07 | enouf | cognitiaclaeves: i would think you'd need to setup some sort of pinning (man apt_preferences) create and use a /etc/apt/preferences file... and you'd edit your sources.list .. but perhaps you don't want to go through all that if this is the only pkg you are doing this with |
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| 21:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | cognitiaclaeves, I don't see that... what version number(s) does dpkg -l libapache2-svn\* give you |
| 21:22.58 | pappanz | °_° |
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| 21:23.15 | enouf | cognitiaclaeves: /msg dpkg pinning - and consider asking the devs if perhaps your pkg can somehow be included in upcoming lenny-backports? |
| 21:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | cognitiaclaeves, also aptitude search doesn't show what YOU have, but what is in the repros |
| 21:23.17 | cognitiaclaeves | CutMeOwnThroat: To be honest, I've already uninstalled it, so I don't know. |
| 21:23.34 | cognitiaclaeves | enouf: It's not my package. I pulled it from mentors. |
| 21:23.54 | enouf | cognitiaclaeves: so it was already a .deb? |
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| 21:25.03 | enouf | cognitiaclaeves: and did you ever overcome your gpg issues with sigs and such concerning _your_personally_made_ pkg? |
| 21:25.07 | cognitiaclaeves | No, I used dget to get it from here: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/subversion/ |
| 21:25.32 | enouf | if not, then i'd guess dpkg/apt/aptitude would not recognize it as a newer version, and do the correct thing and remove the older versions |
| 21:25.34 | cognitiaclaeves | I used -u to bypass the gpg sig, given the contributer was unknown. |
| 21:25.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | cognitiaclaeves, I think you removed the backported package now ... but really not sure what all the things you did were |
| 21:26.26 | enouf | cognitiaclaeves: when you say "it's not my pkg"; that presumes it was already a .deb, not trying to be pedantic, just to clarify |
| 21:26.41 | cognitiaclaeves | As was I, not a big deal. |
| 21:27.09 | cognitiaclaeves | But I understand. |
| 21:27.23 | cognitiaclaeves | I was referring to it in its expected future state. |
| 21:27.42 | cognitiaclaeves | I don't know what it is called in the state that it exists on mentors.debian.net. ... |
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| 21:27.58 | cusco | err.. |
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| 21:28.15 | cusco | package libccrtp1-1.7-0 is installed but I get the following: checking for libccrtp1 >= 1.3.4... Package libccrtp1 was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 21:28.33 | cusco | dev |
| 21:28.36 | cusco | ok ok sorry |
| 21:28.46 | stephanx | who probed the freebsd kernel with debian to know how it works |
| 21:28.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | cognitiaclaeves, oh, I see what you're thinking - you think because aptitude search shows it and prints an 'i' that the version from the net is what you have installed - I don't think aptitude compares version numbers there, but just looks at the name and compares that to what you got installed |
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| 21:29.45 | cognitiaclaeves | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, it would have been clearer, had I figured out a way to print the version number. |
| 21:30.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | cognitiaclaeves, dpkg -l apache2-svn is what you wanted |
| 21:30.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | er libapache2-svn |
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| 21:30.56 | cognitiaclaeves | yes, that was it. ... but I wasn't sure what the name of the package was... |
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| 21:31.04 | dustybin | what syslog deamon do people recommend? |
| 21:31.17 | dustybin | rsyslog ? |
| 21:31.31 | dustybin | sysklogd ? |
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| 21:31.41 | dustybin | klogd ? |
| 21:31.49 | patrikf | I think rsyslog is where we're heading |
| 21:31.57 | dustybin | patrikf: what do you mean? |
| 21:32.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | cognitiaclaeves, dpkg -l \*apache\* |grep svn - you didn't know with aptitude either :) |
| 21:32.21 | patrikf | I think it even became debian default... not sure though... |
| 21:32.39 | patrikf | yep... see /msg dpkg rsyslog |
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| 21:34.14 | valdyn | !rsyslog |
| 21:34.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rsyslog is an enhanced <syslog> daemon. With stock logging rules, it can be used as a drop-in sysklogd replacement. rsyslog is the default kernel/system log daemon in Lenny, but is not installed when upgrading from Etch (ref. section 2.2 of the <lenny release notes>). http://www.rsyslog.com/ |
| 21:34.16 | cognitiaclaeves | That was helpful, CutMeOwnThroat; Thanks. :) |
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| 21:34.30 | dustybin | right i see, thanks :D |
| 21:35.02 | valdyn | weird, my lenny doesnt use rsyslog |
| 21:35.11 | valdyn | and thats a lenny install |
| 21:35.41 | dustybin | how would i put this line in rsyslog: OPTIONS="-u bind -t /var/lib/named" |
| 21:38.34 | pappanz | no ideas for this? http://paste.debian.net/33831/ |
| 21:39.08 | pappanz | it doesn't recognize the image format .ico, don't know what to do |
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| 21:39.45 | adama_ | google for python ico ? |
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| 21:40.44 | smacnay | Is anyone using xmms2? I haven't used xmms since the early 00's or late 90's. |
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| 21:41.46 | enouf | pappanz_: fwiw, you can prefix command with LANG=C to get English only output ; also, run file on your .ico file? |
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| 21:42.25 | pappanz_ | adama_: uhm... yeah, however cannot find an answer... |
| 21:42.48 | enouf | pappanz_: i don't know python - perhaps someone in ##linux, #python or ##linux-coders can help if nobody here does - also there's #debian on irc.debian.org/irc.oftc.net |
| 21:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, don't do polls... but to answr the implied question - there's no good clients for xmms2 |
| 21:43.22 | pappanz_ | enouf: then, I'll try in #python |
| 21:43.26 | pappanz_ | thanks |
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| 21:43.31 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks - I wasn't intending to poll but was looking for some concrete feedback (like yours). :) |
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| 21:43.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, what I meant was: ask the real question! :) |
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| 21:44.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, so I guess xmms2 is ok, but the 2 clients I found in Debian don't come anywhere close to xmms |
| 21:44.37 | dustybin | what advantages are there by running your own name server? |
| 21:44.44 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm, not sure what the real question was. Maybe... does xmms2 offer what mpd does? Are the clients any good? (you answered that one). |
| 21:45.09 | dkr | dustybin: controlling access, easy to make changes |
| 21:45.10 | plb_ | Anyone running squeeze have an issue with mplayer with gl driver and fglrx? I get a blank screen when playing movies |
| 21:45.11 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: 'xmms' meaning the original player from years ago. |
| 21:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, I think I tried one client to mpd as well and didn't like it either |
| 21:45.16 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: ? |
| 21:45.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, yes |
| 21:45.23 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: hehe |
| 21:45.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, the winamp-lookalike |
| 21:45.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | (if you have friends who use windows) |
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| 21:45.51 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: I have settled on Rhythmbox right now but have also looked at Banshee. |
| 21:46.04 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, the winamp look-alike is the one I used, |
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| 21:46.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, I'm stuck with amarok right now, I think gave Rhythmbox a short try, never tried Banshee |
| 21:46.39 | foetus | evening - i have a running 2.6.25.gentoo-debian-r9 now, server works as 2.6.21-mm2-debian :) |
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| 21:47.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | gentoo-debian.... now there's a combination you don't see every day |
| 21:47.37 | foetus | yes, truely not :) |
| 21:47.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, in a way, I think xmms1 is still the best, perhaps I should have stuck with it |
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| 21:48.16 | foetus | but its well tested, its running like hell..nice. |
| 21:48.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, I normally have a big playlist of several 1000 and just play it from start to end - giving me the lest repetition possible (then I randomize the list and run again) |
| 21:49.04 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: I too flip around but have not found the "killer" app yet. However, I can play music with what I have to I will not complain. |
| 21:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | amarok is nice, but it tries to rate the songs etc. etc. and interferes with that simple scheme |
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| 21:49.20 | ikanobori | hey people, I have a debian server which mysteriously has rebooted |
| 21:49.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | a mystery! |
| 21:49.29 | ikanobori | no entries in the syslog for an hour as well |
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| 21:49.39 | ikanobori | just goes void and then shows start up sequence |
| 21:49.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | power outage :) |
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| 21:50.03 | ikanobori | it's in a datacenter |
| 21:50.09 | jintxo | smacnay, there's a "current" fork of xmms, gtk2 based which works very well. audacious |
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| 21:50.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I actually got that installed |
| 21:50.46 | smacnay | jintxo: audacious... very close to audacity. I will look that up too |
| 21:50.49 | foetus | poor information. sounds like an hardware issue.. |
| 21:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 21:51.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think audacious' playlist is supposed to run without windows deco |
| 21:51.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can resize the frame without resizing the list |
| 21:51.44 | ikanobori | this is just too weird |
| 21:51.51 | ikanobori | it misses 2 hours of logs |
| 21:51.54 | ikanobori | in every log |
| 21:51.59 | dkr | ikanobori: disk problem, then |
| 21:52.01 | ikanobori | but it hasn't been down for 2 hours, more like 60 seconds |
| 21:52.08 | ikanobori | I can see that in cacti. |
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| 21:52.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ikanobori, not written out to disk or deleted when replaying the journal |
| 21:52.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | more probably the latter |
| 21:52.59 | foetus | i have compiled two kernels yesterday with two times kernel panic and an hda bug..it was something special. |
| 21:53.01 | ikanobori | any intrusion checks I should run too? |
| 21:53.06 | ikanobori | not too familiar with debian |
| 21:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | too late |
| 21:54.01 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: audacious can look exactly like xmms/winamp. Interesting. |
| 21:54.23 | dkr | ikanobori: rkhunter can look for signs of rootkits, but sounds more like hardware/disk problem to me |
| 21:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, what's kinda nice with amarok (and the xmms2 clients as well, actually) is that I can define 'global keys' which means I can start/stop the music without going to the gui of the player |
| 21:54.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh |
| 21:54.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | already quit |
| 21:54.57 | ikanobori | dkr: It's a virtualised machine, all other machines on it kept running. |
| 21:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | i HATE that |
| 21:55.05 | ikanobori | Also, I have disk writes during that time. |
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| 21:55.20 | ikanobori | It's just that every logfile misses two hours (syslog, auth.log) |
| 21:55.51 | adama_ | what should I do about this?: http://pastebin.ca/1395309 |
| 21:56.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, but I feel a big part of the rkhunter package is checksums as well (at least it's always updating them when I install with apt-get) |
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| 21:56.56 | ikanobori | my apache logs do have writes during that time |
| 21:56.57 | ikanobori | mrm |
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| 21:57.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama_, fix the error in the package... look in the bts if someone has a workaround already |
| 21:57.17 | dkr | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, checksums versus known binaries for the distro, not just checksums against previous runs on same system. and also looks for other signs, like hidden files in /dev or the like. so still useful to run on suspect system if never run before |
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| 21:57.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, ah, ok - didn't know that - but why does it take all that extra time when I install a a package, then? |
| 21:58.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, also, it never complained about backported packages or my custom installs |
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| 21:59.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama_, '/msg dpkg bts' |
| 21:59.32 | dkr | CutMeOwnThroat: you didn't backport /bin/login or /bin/passwd probably. :) |
| 21:59.47 | dkr | CutMeOwnThroat: it just checks likely suspects, not every file |
| 21:59.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, no, I'm not in the habit of doing that :) |
| 22:00.03 | adama_ | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, I did, I'm searching the bts now |
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| 22:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr,but it takes time updating checksums after installing any package... |
| 22:00.26 | ikanobori | mrm rkhunter is running |
| 22:00.57 | dkr | CutMeOwnThroat: I think you are confusing it with tripwire? |
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| 22:01.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | no! |
| 22:01.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I really don't know what it does, but I see it acting on every apt-get install I do |
| 22:01.17 | dkr | rkhunter just runs when you tell it to. not after any package install |
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| 22:02.18 | g00se | Not quite sure where to start to debug Lenny sound prob: sometimes sound works on my laptop, sometimes not. Running alsaconf restores sound, but maybe only for that session |
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| 22:03.04 | adama_ | CutMeOwnThroat: apparently it has been fixed but is not in the repos yet |
| 22:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, http://pastebin.com/f4398312a - ok, I don't know what it does at the end of apt-get install 'File updated: searched for 156 files, found 137' doesn't tell - but whatever it is, it can take several seconds |
| 22:04.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama_, what version of Debian are you using, and what bug/bug# is it? |
| 22:04.23 | ikanobori | mrm nothing from rkhunter |
| 22:04.48 | ikanobori | what's this about possibly being the journaller? |
| 22:04.52 | adama_ | CutMeOwnThroat: squeeze, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524303 |
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| 22:05.16 | scgtrp | how can i reset the dhclient3 config file to the defaults? |
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| 22:05.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ikanobori, you can have bad files/sectors with a journaling system as with a non-journaling one... and faulty stuff normally goes to ... lost+found? |
| 22:06.06 | dkr | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, interesting. didn't realize it put a hook in there. probably slow because the site it's checking for updates from is slow. does seem quite odd to run it every apt-get like that, though instead of a cron or something |
| 22:06.18 | patrikf | CutMeOwnThroat: only after an fsck |
| 22:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama_, just install the unstable package, then |
| 22:06.42 | ikanobori | it's just so strange that both sys.log and auth.log totally miss 2 hours (exactly 2 hours) |
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| 22:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama_, or go back to the previous version if you prefer that and it's still in /var/apt/cache/ |
| 22:07.27 | patrikf | ikanobori: are you syncing the log files? |
| 22:07.36 | ikanobori | patrikf: no |
| 22:07.47 | patrikf | ikanobori: then try doing so |
| 22:08.01 | g00se | scgtrp: One way - aptitude remove --purge dhcp3-client;aptitude install dhcp3-client |
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| 22:08.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | patrikf, didn't know that - what's with it before the fsck? I mean... gone is gone? |
| 22:08.04 | patrikf | or check your file system's commit interval |
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| 22:08.36 | g00se | scgtrp: Could be more direct way though |
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| 22:09.03 | patrikf | CutMeOwnThroat: well, it may exist somewhere or not... depends how the fs is corrupted |
| 22:09.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | g00se, yeah, but really, I prefer the purge :) apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 22:10.13 | scgtrp | g00se, clearly rm /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf && apt-get install --reinstall dhcp3-client wasn't it. :) |
| 22:10.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | scgtrp, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 22:10.53 | adama_ | CutMeOwnThroat: got it working, thanks: http://pastebin.ca/1395328 |
| 22:11.24 | adama_ | CutMeOwnThroat: the problem was, I think, that I am using a local apt source here at my work, which did not have the latest releases |
| 22:11.33 | scgtrp | CutMeOwnThroat, got it via the original suggestion from g00se, but that's a nice piece of knowledge, thanks |
| 22:12.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama_, oh, you can just have unstable in sources.list if you run testing (normally testing is preferred, I think), then install with apt-get install package -t unstable |
| 22:12.05 | MoRLoCh | Hi, I have just done a dist-upgrade (on squeeze),and now I can't see the touchpad anymore in /proc/bus/input/devices, do you have any idea what it could be? |
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| 22:12.10 | ikanobori | patrikf: where would I find out about my fs commit interval? |
| 22:12.14 | g00se | scgtrp: So was your question rhetorical? ;-) |
| 22:12.21 | patrikf | ikanobori: man mount I guess |
| 22:12.23 | MoRLoCh | I am sure it's not the kernel, because I have tried rolling back |
| 22:12.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ladders |
| 22:12.42 | scgtrp | g00se, i was looking for that 'more direct way' you mentioned |
| 22:12.57 | g00se | Ah |
| 22:13.21 | MoRLoCh | and I have tried rolling back all the packages I thought could be even remotely related, such as udev, acpi, acpid, lsb-base |
| 22:13.46 | ikanobori | patrikf: it's the default, 5 sec |
| 22:14.14 | patrikf | ikanobori: well, you might want to try forcing syncs anyway |
| 22:14.23 | patrikf | i.e. with sysklogd, remove the "-" in front of log files |
| 22:14.36 | MoRLoCh | using a older lenny backup (still with 2.6.26-1 tho), the touchpad works |
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| 22:15.41 | forrestv | how do i change the arch of my debian install?? |
| 22:15.45 | forrestv | s/??/?/ |
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| 22:16.27 | MoRLoCh | and if I plug in an usb mouse, it works |
| 22:16.35 | EmleyMoor | forrestv: You can't... to change arch you need to do a complete reinstall |
| 22:16.38 | g00se | forresty: What - you've put a different processor in or what? |
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| 22:17.02 | forrestv | EmleyMoor, why? the port i was using was renamed. can't i just change to the new name? |
| 22:17.24 | forrestv | g00se, no, i was using arm, which was renamed to armle |
| 22:17.25 | EmleyMoor | forrestv: What are you trying to change from and to? |
| 22:18.01 | forrestv | just where is 'arm' stored? :( |
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| 22:18.55 | Tully | is there anything special that needs to be done when installing deb on an ssd |
| 22:18.56 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... if it's a change of name I would expect that to be accounted for or in the documentation |
| 22:18.57 | g00se | forresty: We might like to see your pastebinned sources.list |
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| 22:43.06 | g00se_ | Not quite sure where to start to debug Lenny sound prob: sometimes sound works on my laptop, sometimes not. Running alsaconf restores sound, but maybe only for that session |
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| 22:48.45 | nkuttler | !doesn't work |
| 22:48.45 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 22:52.57 | ``y7 | I'd like to to install debian on my amd athlon 64 processor 3400+, which version of debian should i get for that? |
| 22:53.21 | JPT | amd64 if you want to have 64bit software.. |
| 22:53.28 | JPT | otherwise just simple i386 |
| 22:53.41 | ``y7 | does debian struggle with 64bit the way some other os's do? |
| 22:54.01 | Guerin | ``y7: install lenny. No. |
| 22:54.13 | amphi | seems to work fine here, since months |
| 22:54.20 | EmleyMoor | ``y7: I have found amd64 just fine since release |
| 22:54.23 | ``y7 | don't i install lenny after i install debian? |
| 22:54.37 | themill | non-free crap can be more of a challenge |
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| 22:54.46 | EmleyMoor | ``y7: lenny is the stable Debian |
| 22:54.47 | patrikf | ``y7: "lenny" is the version of debian |
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| 22:55.07 | patrikf | ``y7: like you can't install windows, just windows 2000, windows xp, ... you can only install a specific debian release |
| 22:55.08 | igor47 | i'm trying to install debian off a flash drive. i got an hdimage and did zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb but the resulting partition is not large enough to hold the installer iso. what should i do? |
| 22:55.32 | patrikf | apologizes to the channel for the windows comparison |
| 22:55.56 | igor47 | flash drive is 4gig so i should be able to hold the cd. flash drive is the only option for installing on this laptop w/no cd drive |
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| 22:56.42 | ``y7 | i tried downloading the amd64 from this page and it doesn't load, is there somewhere else that i can get it from? http://debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
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| 22:59.46 | halflife08 | ``y7: try ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd |
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| 23:01.30 | Tully | is there anything special that needs to be done when installing deb on an ssd |
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| 23:03.23 | EmleyMoor | Tully: I don't think so - the steps should be the same as for a magnetic |
| 23:03.38 | ``y7 | halflife08, i'm pretty sure this is the dir that i want, do i have to download these one by one? i figured there'd be one iso file that i'd have to burn to a cd.... ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 23:04.34 | EmleyMoor | ``y7: The first one is sufficient (more than in fact) if the machine you install to can access the Internet |
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| 23:04.59 | halflife08 | ``y7: usually dowloading disk1 is good enough for basic install , if you want to do a install over the net netinstall which is 150M+ is good enough too |
| 23:05.01 | ``y7 | the first ISO? or the first file that is 3KB? |
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| 23:05.19 | ``y7 | ok, i'll grab the netinstall |
| 23:05.21 | ``y7 | thx guys |
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| 23:06.17 | halflife08 | the net install will ask you during installation time which mirror to use and it will pull the packages |
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| 23:06.41 | EmleyMoor | I've even used the businesscard image sometimes |
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| 23:07.05 | dustybin | anybody recommend a simple firewall solution? |
| 23:07.34 | ``y7 | firestarter |
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| 23:08.15 | dustybin | i dont need a GUI |
| 23:08.21 | Tully | dustybin, pfsense |
| 23:08.24 | dustybin | just something what can configure a simple firewall |
| 23:08.29 | dustybin | Tully: that is another os |
| 23:08.38 | Tully | YOU DIDNT SPECIFY |
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| 23:08.48 | dustybin | sorry ! |
| 23:08.53 | dustybin | Tully: we are in debian!! |
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| 23:09.01 | JPT | http://m0n0.ch/wall/ ;) |
| 23:09.04 | Tully | oh yea |
| 23:09.09 | dustybin | i use pfsense at home |
| 23:09.19 | dustybin | i need a simple firwall solution for my vps |
| 23:09.54 | dustybin | uruk - Very small firewall script, for configuring iptables |
| 23:09.55 | zoredache | how about firehol? |
| 23:09.56 | dustybin | interesting |
| 23:10.07 | dustybin | zoredache: never heard of it |
| 23:10.29 | dustybin | http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls |
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| 23:11.49 | Brack10 | What's the preferred backup method? CRON job that makes a tar? |
| 23:12.15 | zoredache | Brack10: It heavily depends on what you need to backup, and what hardware you have available |
| 23:12.19 | EmleyMoor | Brack10: I like flexbackup (cronned) |
| 23:12.47 | zoredache | I find that just backing up with dirvish (rsync) to usb hard disk is really flexible and doesn't waste lots of storage space |
| 23:13.01 | zoredache | restores are extremely simple... |
| 23:13.13 | EmleyMoor | I like flexbackup's dump style levels |
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| 23:14.05 | zoredache | of course if you are running a big database server you probably need to use the backup system for that database |
| 23:15.29 | Brack10 | well I need to backup a few gigs every night...over a VPN connection |
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| 23:15.58 | patrikf | Brack10: rsync-backup, duplicity |
| 23:16.05 | igor47 | is there a place where apt packages are temporarily stored after they're downloaded? |
| 23:16.17 | zoredache | igor47: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 23:16.44 | igor47 | zoredache: thx there they are :) |
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| 23:17.54 | zoredache | Brack10: dirvish works fine for that... I backup ~50 servers most are located at remote sites... It uses rsync over ssh and I have ssh compression enabled |
| 23:18.27 | Brack10 | crap this isn't going to be possible |
| 23:18.45 | Brack10 | 5 gigs over a full theoretical TI connection takes 8 hours and I have 4 to do per night |
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| 23:19.11 | patrikf | Brack10: read about rsync. |
| 23:19.21 | zoredache | do you actually have 4gb of changes each night, or is your entire data set 4gb |
| 23:19.25 | patrikf | Brack10: you're not going to change 5G of data every day, do you? |
| 23:19.35 | Brack10 | oh ok differentials, right |
| 23:19.44 | Brack10 | no probably more like 500 mb at the most |
| 23:20.29 | Brack10 | oh and the backup server is Windows too |
| 23:20.35 | Brack10 | does that make it harder? |
| 23:20.36 | Decepticon | im trying to install vpn. i installed pptp with apt-get and ive been struggling to make it work. I can connect to the pptpd and log in with my password successfully but i cannot access the internet while on the vpn connection, however, i can access the local area network and browse the pptpd's webserver and samba shares indicating that im able to see the local network. please advise |
| 23:21.05 | dustybin | this looks nice |
| 23:21.06 | dustybin | http://mdcc.cx/pub/uruk/uruk-latest/doc/rc |
| 23:21.18 | zoredache | Brack10: it rules out dirvish as an option.... the dirvish server must have a filesystem that supports hard links |
| 23:21.20 | nkuttler | Decepticon: sounds like you need to fix your routing |
| 23:21.31 | Decepticon | yes i was wondering about that |
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| 23:21.39 | Decepticon | nkuttler, i have two interfaces on the pptdp machine |
| 23:21.42 | Decepticon | er, pptpd machine |
| 23:22.24 | Decepticon | i have a eth0 and a wlan0, both lead to the same router though |
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| 23:22.36 | sylar | hi |
| 23:22.36 | zoredache | dustybin: you need to change your default gatweay to point at the vpn |
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| 23:22.44 | nkuttler | Decepticon: what does the pptpd box have to do with you accessing the internet? |
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| 23:22.51 | LemensTS | . |
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| 23:23.14 | dustybin | zoredache: this is not my config |
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| 23:23.16 | Decepticon | nkuttler i want to be able to tunnel internet traffic through the vpn connection |
| 23:23.22 | nkuttler | ah |
| 23:23.51 | Decepticon | nkuttler i can do this on another machine so im not sure whats wrong |
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| 23:23.53 | zoredache | dustybin: sorry, was talking to Decepticon |
| 23:23.58 | dustybin | ok |
| 23:24.04 | sylar | I am trying to replicate a system.... for a minute I thought that since it is raid5 of 3 disks, i can just replicate the 3rd disk , then take out the second and replicate it |
| 23:24.06 | Decepticon | nkuttler ive copied the config from the working machine and transfered it to the troubling machine, but it still doesnt work |
| 23:24.15 | nkuttler | Decepticon: uh, something like route add default dev ppp1 or whatever |
| 23:24.36 | sylar | but now i think that if I do that then the 2nd that was left out will be outdated |
| 23:24.45 | sylar | what do you think? |
| 23:24.47 | Decepticon | nkuttler is that a iptables command or what is that |
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| 23:25.08 | nkuttler | Decepticon: man route |
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| 23:25.13 | simonrvn | does it looks like iptables? |
| 23:25.32 | zoredache | sylar: the single disk would only have parity, and wouldn't be readable... the other 2 disks would basically act like a raid0... if one drive failed you would loose all of your data |
| 23:25.50 | Decepticon | im not sure what the solution is, how or what im supposed to be telling iptables, if in fact that is the relevant thing here or what |
| 23:26.15 | Decepticon | or route |
| 23:26.23 | Decepticon | what exactly is the problem here, is what im asking |
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| 23:26.37 | mythos[MC] | with apt-get how would i install all mono packages? |
| 23:26.41 | grand_grunt | Decepticon: first, just type in "route" to see your routes |
| 23:26.45 | sylar | zoredache, I have 3 disks for each, just thought that instead of dd-ing it I could use the raid to do the copy |
| 23:27.20 | sylar | is it possible to load the raid read only? |
| 23:27.28 | zoredache | sylar: no |
| 23:27.39 | sylar | so it doesn't change while one of its disks is out? |
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| 23:27.57 | Decepticon | grand_grunt i see the output http://decepticon.rlogin.org/~decepticon/paste/1240010875 |
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| 23:28.43 | zoredache | sylar: no |
| 23:29.12 | grand_grunt | Decepticon: and you want to route everything through the VPN (that is ham0 ?) ? |
| 23:29.34 | Decepticon | grand_grunt, i think it might be eth0 |
| 23:29.40 | Decepticon | eth0 and wlan0 lead to internet |
| 23:29.55 | zoredache | sylar: if you where doing RAID1 then you could pull one disk, but since you are using a raid with striping you can't really pull any of the disks... |
| 23:30.02 | Decepticon | eth0 is more reliable since its direct ethernet, however wlan0 leads to the same internet from the same router |
| 23:30.08 | grand_grunt | Decepticon: first, I cann't understand why you use both eth0 and wlan0 to connect to the Internet. |
| 23:30.29 | Decepticon | lets ignore wlan0 |
| 23:30.32 | Decepticon | its just there |
| 23:30.54 | nkuttler | Decepticon: output of ifconfig? |
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| 23:31.02 | grand_grunt | Decepticon: and a VPN basically creates a virtual interface, that seems to be "ham0" in your config. |
| 23:31.29 | sylar | zoredache, I can pull one out, it can work from 2 disks, |
| 23:31.29 | Decepticon | no ham0 is something else |
| 23:31.40 | Decepticon | please ignore ham0 and wlan0 |
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| 23:32.01 | zoredache | sylar: yes, but you can't do anything useful with the disk you pulled out |
| 23:32.20 | grand_grunt | Decepticon: your VPN is not running, then. |
| 23:32.21 | zoredache | sylar: it only has half of the data |
| 23:32.35 | sylar | zoredache, just if I have (D1,D2,D3) -> (D1,D2,X3) -> (D1, X2, X3) |
| 23:32.44 | Decepticon | grand_grunt im not sure why you say that |
| 23:32.52 | nkuttler | Decepticon: output of ifconfig? |
| 23:32.57 | sylar | then the question is if D1,D2 would still work together |
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| 23:33.08 | Decepticon | nkuttler http://decepticon.rlogin.org/~decepticon/paste/1240011198 |
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| 23:33.36 | zoredache | sylar: sorry, I don't understand your question |
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| 23:33.49 | nkuttler | Decepticon: there's no vpn running it seems |
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| 23:34.07 | Decepticon | nkuttler, well ive run /etc/init.d/pptpd start |
| 23:34.12 | sylar | D is the disks of computer #1, and X are the disks of computer #2 |
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| 23:34.24 | nkuttler | Decepticon: ... |
| 23:34.28 | Decepticon | nkuttler, and i do see it running in top |
| 23:34.33 | grand_grunt | sylar: yes, a RAID 5 of 3 disks may work with only two disks, but this is dangerous |
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| 23:34.48 | DIESELVANDAL | THIS IS THE EX GIRLFRIEND OF WIKIPEDIA ADMINS HAHAHA OMFG I AM THE DIESEL VANDAL AND RULE THE WORLD FROM A DIXI TOILET http://spazioinwind.libero.it/unforgiven/bigsis.jpg |
| 23:34.55 | nkuttler | Decepticon: just because there's a process doesn't mean you have a connection |
| 23:35.05 | sylar | grand_grunt, I know, but this isnt the question here |
| 23:35.07 | nkuttler | Decepticon: read log files etc |
| 23:35.12 | simonrvn | dumbass... |
| 23:35.41 | Decepticon | nkuttler if youre thinking ham0 is anything related to pptpd, thats not true |
| 23:35.49 | Decepticon | nkuttler ham0 is hamachi, which is seperate from this |
| 23:35.55 | Decepticon | sorry for the confusion |
| 23:35.59 | zoredache | sylar: if you take one of the dirves out and put it back in, the raid will rebuild... |
| 23:36.05 | nkuttler | Decepticon: i never said that... |
| 23:36.11 | Decepticon | ah |
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| 23:36.12 | Decepticon | ok |
| 23:36.28 | zoredache | or if one of the drives fails in your raid5, you can add a new drive to replace it and rebuild the parity |
| 23:36.32 | Decepticon | what can i do to investigate the problem here? |
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| 23:36.35 | nkuttler | Decepticon: learn how to connect to a vpn. learn how to configure a router. learn how to configure your routes. |
| 23:36.40 | zoredache | but you will never be able to see the data if you only have 1 of the disks |
| 23:37.04 | Decepticon | nkuttler ive followed the guides and such, and used a working config in this setup but to no avail, i need some investigative tools i do not know of or have |
| 23:37.15 | Decepticon | please advise as to what can throw ligth on the situation as to identifying where the hiccup is |
| 23:37.21 | sylar | zoredache, and if I have one disk that is current and one disk that is not current? |
| 23:37.25 | At0x0 | Would anyone familiar with setuid/gid mind giving me some quick help? I've got two users added to a group. I did a "chown -R :thegroup mydir" and then a "chmod +s mydir" but my two users don't have access. Am I notunderstanding how it works? |
| 23:37.30 | nkuttler | Decepticon: how many times do i have to tell you you have no vpn connection? |
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| 23:37.40 | EmleyMoor | I have a RAID6 - it wasn't too long before I had a slight hoseup on it - never felt the need to test |
| 23:37.41 | Decepticon | nkuttler can you tell me how you know that |
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| 23:38.20 | zoredache | sylar: what do you mean current, and not current? How would such a situation come about |
| 23:38.24 | grand_grunt | sylar: this may work: change a disk, rebuid raid, change another one, rebuild, put both disks on new machine, rebuild raid. This may work, or this may not. |
| 23:38.24 | digitaloktay | hi people |
| 23:38.28 | nkuttler | Decepticon: man pon |
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| 23:38.42 | halflife08 | i have been recommended filing a bug against vino in lenny, would it be accepted for lenny and half since it is a bug fix and not a security fix ? |
| 23:38.45 | Decepticon | nkuttler heres a machine that vpn works properly on... heres the output to ifconfig http://s.tazeat.com:1234/~bizinichi/paste/1240011760 |
| 23:38.47 | digitaloktay | !gnome |
| 23:38.47 | dpkg | it has been said that gnome is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+ - see http://www.gnome.org/ To get GNOME, ask me about <install gnome>. See also <gnome status>. http:/wiki.debian.org/Gnome #gnome-debian @ irc.gnome.org. |
| 23:39.12 | digitaloktay | !gnome-status |
| 23:39.24 | nkuttler | Decepticon: oh, if that's working for you i give up. |
| 23:39.24 | digitaloktay | !gnome status |
| 23:39.25 | dpkg | hmm... gnome status is shown by the Debian GNOME packaging team at http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/status.html |
| 23:39.36 | simonrvn | !tell digitaloktay -about msg the bot |
| 23:39.49 | Decepticon | nkuttler what, why? |
| 23:39.53 | sylar | zoredache, I mean that one disk was out for a half hour or so, while the other worked at that time so they may not contain the same data |
| 23:39.53 | digitaloktay | thx simonrvn :) |
| 23:40.27 | nkuttler | Decepticon: i've never used a vpn that doesn't have an interface |
| 23:40.33 | Decepticon | nkuttler, oh |
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| 23:40.38 | Decepticon | nkuttler i see |
| 23:40.48 | zoredache | sylar: a raid5 cannot work with a single disk... it must always have 2... |
| 23:41.08 | sylar | zoredache, hence there were 2 disks |
| 23:41.31 | Wyzard | zoredache: you can make a raid-5 with 2 disks, so when it's degraded there's only 1 in operation |
| 23:41.47 | nkuttler | actually, maybe that cisco vpn client.. |
| 23:41.48 | Wyzard | It's not much different from a raid-1 |
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| 23:42.04 | Wyzard | except for what happens when you restripe it to add another disk |
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| 23:42.54 | zoredache | Wyzard: what you are describing sounds like a raid1 with a hot spare... |
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| 23:43.31 | Wyzard | sylar: I haven't been following your discussion, but it sounds like you're talking about a disk getting out of sync when it's removed from a raid array... that's perfectly normal and the array will resync that disk when you add it back |
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| 23:43.49 | Wyzard | zoredache: I'm talking about a raid5 that has two disks total when fully synced, no hot spares |
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| 23:44.32 | sylar | Wyzard, Say I have 4 disks D1,D2 X1 X2 |
| 23:44.35 | Wyzard | zoredache: It's not something you'd normally want to do, since raid-1 would give you the same redundancy with less overhead |
| 23:44.49 | Wyzard | but it's possible, and can be useful in some cases |
| 23:44.53 | etchPRSN | wonders if RAID only works with scsi drives ? |
| 23:45.01 | sylar | Wyzard, the D1 D2 are part of a 3 disks array without the third |
| 23:45.07 | igor47 | nope, ide is fine |
| 23:45.13 | etchPRSN | k |
| 23:45.18 | zoredache | etchPRSN: raid should work on any devices... I have even used flash drives |
| 23:45.26 | etchPRSN | whoa |
| 23:45.29 | igor47 | you can use loopback imaes |
| 23:45.29 | sylar | Wyzard, and I add X1 to the array |
| 23:45.32 | EmleyMoor | etchPRSN: RAID will work with anything but hot swapping may not work with all possible devices |
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| 23:45.42 | sylar | Wyzard, and grow to X1 |
| 23:45.47 | etchPRSN | thx to all |
| 23:45.48 | sylar | and then remove D2 |
| 23:45.54 | sylar | add X2 |
| 23:45.55 | Wyzard | sylar: that's not "growing" the array, it's resyncing it |
| 23:45.58 | bluethundr | strange problem. I am ssh'd into my db server. yet the server can't ping can't dig.. wtf? |
| 23:46.03 | sylar | and grow to X2 |
| 23:46.17 | sylar | ok sorry resyncing |
| 23:46.40 | Wyzard | sylar: Assuming you wait for the resync to finish after adding each disk before removing the next one, you won't lose anything by doing that |
| 23:46.47 | sylar | now I have D2 that was out, and D1 that was in, can I put D1 and D2 together? |
| 23:47.50 | Wyzard | sylar: no, you can't |
| 23:47.54 | Brack10 | so wait rsync was a psychology Ph.D thesis? |
| 23:47.58 | Brack10 | wtf |
| 23:47.59 | grand_grunt | If D1 and D2 have been resynced on different times, not. |
| 23:48.07 | zoredache | sylar: what are really trying to do... |
| 23:48.41 | grand_grunt | They are not images of the exactly same raid, so you cann't put them together and add another disk to create a raid5. |
| 23:48.45 | sylar | I am trying to replicate the system, but thought I may do it via its raid interface |
| 23:49.03 | Wyzard | no, that's not what raid is for |
| 23:49.07 | grand_grunt | Why don't you use dd or rsync or network copy? |
| 23:49.36 | sylar | I was afraid to get confused between the disks |
| 23:49.37 | zoredache | if you turned the raid completely off and left it off, then you could duplicate each disk one at a time |
| 23:49.38 | digitaloktay | hmm gnome debian is empty |
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| 23:50.19 | sylar | Yes, I can start a live CD and just dd the disks |
| 23:50.32 | sylar | just thought that this way may be safer |
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| 23:51.05 | grand_grunt | The dd from a live CD would be very safer than adding and removing disks while the system runs.. |
| 23:51.23 | zoredache | it would safer to keep the raid completely together and use something use to transport yoru data |
| 23:51.31 | sylar | does mdadm raid have an option to clone a disk? |
| 23:51.45 | sylar | grand_grunt, I powered off for that |
| 23:52.50 | Wyzard | sylar: raid is not for making copies of disks |
| 23:53.01 | Wyzard | sylar: You can use a plan dd command to clone one disk to another |
| 23:53.02 | sylar | i know |
| 23:53.09 | zoredache | mdadm is not meant to be a disk cloning tool... it is raid... If you want to make an image of something use dd, partimage, or another backup tool |
| 23:53.10 | Wyzard | mdadm doesn't do it because that's not what mdadm's job is |
| 23:53.29 | sylar | k |
| 23:53.58 | sylar | damn |
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| 23:54.19 | sylar | sorry |
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| 23:54.56 | zoredache | sylar: what is the barier to you using rsync or something else to replicate your data? |
| 23:55.12 | sylar | the other system don't have an os |
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| 23:55.35 | sylar | b. I don't trust rsync , it has a fishy algorithm |
| 23:55.37 | zoredache | sylar: boot a livecd, and setup the disk from the livecd |
| 23:55.45 | grand_grunt | sylar: you want to copy a raid-5 config to another PC with a raid 5 too, si? |
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| 23:55.52 | grand_grunt | so* |
| 23:55.59 | sylar | ci |
| 23:56.08 | Wyzard | sylar: for duplicating a whole disk over a network you can just use dd and netcat |
| 23:56.13 | Wyzard | no need for rsync |
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| 23:56.25 | TCW | re |
| 23:56.26 | Wyzard | and rsync wouldn't really provide any benefit in that case anyway |
| 23:56.56 | sylar | Wyzard, while both systems are on live disks? |
| 23:57.00 | TCW | how do I force iceweasel to use gecko-mediaplayer instead of totem-plugin? Is there a debian specific way? |
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| 23:57.30 | Wyzard | sylar: No, you'd want to at least remount the filesystems read-only so they aren't being modified during the copy process |
| 23:57.43 | TCW | it would be nice to see it chooseable as alternatives... but it isn't. Any idea why? |
| 23:58.07 | sylar | Wyzard, if I can mount readonly... why cant I do it for the raid duplication?? |
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| 23:58.31 | grand_grunt | sylar: you can boot both computers on live-cd's, and use netcat to copy from one raid to the other. |
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| 23:58.58 | TCW | sylar, I did just join... what is your question again? |
| 23:59.38 | zoredache | sylar: are you trying to move the disks to the new machine? |
| 23:59.41 | sylar | if I can mount raid5 (mdadm) system disk read only , and resync to a 3rd disk |
| 23:59.50 | Wyzard | sylar: If you ensure that the contents of the array don't change during the entire raid-juggling process, the two drives you synced and removed could theoretically be used as an array of their own, like you were trying to do |
