| 00:00.11 | zoredache | when you are done do you expect the 3 disks to be the other machine? |
| 00:00.11 | sylar | ok |
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| 00:00.23 | Wyzard | sylar: but the mechanism that mdadm uses to detect whether an array component is up-to-date wouldn't know that, and it would refuse to assemble the array |
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| 00:00.27 | sylar | zoredache, yes |
| 00:00.35 | zoredache | sylar: just move all 3 at once then |
| 00:00.43 | zoredache | why copy at all? |
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| 00:01.08 | sylar | zoredache, to have an identical system |
| 00:01.33 | zoredache | if you move all thee disk to the new machine, nothing on the disk will have changed |
| 00:01.37 | zoredache | it will be identical |
| 00:01.55 | sylar | zoredache, I have 6 disks |
| 00:02.00 | Wyzard | sylar: It's possible to work around that by basically tricking mdadm using the --force option or various ways of tricking it, but that's a pretty risky way to clone disks |
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| 00:02.21 | grand_grunt | sylar: are you sure that both machine use the same system for RAID? |
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| 00:02.44 | sylar | grand_grunt, they will |
| 00:02.52 | sylar | grand_grunt, they would be clones |
| 00:03.12 | sylar | Wyzard, maybe I should stick to dd |
| 00:03.20 | zoredache | is this a software raid or hardware based? |
| 00:03.32 | sylar | softare raid |
| 00:03.46 | Wyzard | sylar: yes, it makes much more sense to use one of the straightforward and safe ways to clone your disks, rather than abusing and tricking raid into doing things it wasn't meant to do, and creating more work for yourself in the process |
| 00:04.44 | StuckMojo | is Sid known to be really screwy ATM ? |
| 00:04.44 | Wyzard | StuckMojo: There are some ongoing transitions, but it's working OK for me at present |
| 00:04.44 | grand_grunt | StuckMojo: I'm using it right now, works very fine ;) |
| 00:04.44 | digitaloktay | for sid use sidux :D |
| 00:04.44 | Wyzard | The xorg 7.3->7.4 and gnome 2.22->2.24 transitions seem to have basically finished, actually |
| 00:04.44 | Wyzard | or at least the big dependency tangles have passed |
| 00:04.44 | StuckMojo | I just did a real big update, like 6 months worth of stuff (i moved and my box was down for a while) |
| 00:05.06 | StuckMojo | and the gnome package is broken, along with aptitude and many others |
| 00:05.53 | grand_grunt | StuckMojo: it's time to discover the wonderfull KDE 4.2 |
| 00:06.05 | digitaloktay | Wyzard, is gnome 2,24 now in sid? |
| 00:06.23 | TCW | grand_grunt, you're kidding, right? |
| 00:06.36 | StuckMojo | well, i got X working again, so maybe i'll just wait a few days and see what happens |
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| 00:06.41 | grand_grunt | TCW: no, I'm serious. |
| 00:06.47 | sylar | btw.. |
| 00:06.52 | TCW | digitaloktay, I have sid and I run Gnome 2.26 |
| 00:06.59 | Wyzard | digitaloktay: mostly; http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.24-status.html |
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| 00:07.05 | sylar | anyone know if flashblock will ever work on epiphany? |
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| 00:07.18 | digitaloktay | TCW, do you compile to 2,26 version? |
| 00:07.39 | TCW | digitaloktay, no? |
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| 00:07.57 | digitaloktay | TCW, or is 2,26 in sid? |
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| 00:08.01 | zmitya | hi all |
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| 00:08.12 | Wyzard | TCW: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.26-status.html says that 2.26 is not yet in sid |
| 00:08.18 | zmitya | guys, where can I find an etch cd image ? |
| 00:08.25 | digitaloktay | or using ubuntu |
| 00:08.34 | etchPRSN | zmitya at debian main site |
| 00:08.54 | zmitya | well, maybe I'm blind, but I cannot see :( |
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| 00:09.11 | etchPRSN | zmitya... yea... you must be blink :-) |
| 00:09.14 | Wyzard | zmitya: you know etch is not the current version of Debian, right? |
| 00:09.27 | zmitya | Wyzard: yes, I know |
| 00:09.28 | digitaloktay | zmitya, http://debian.org/CD/ |
| 00:10.33 | zmitya | digitaloktay: ok, I found it, but where are the etch images ? |
| 00:10.36 | TCW | Wyzard, digitaloktay, oh sorry... apparently right now there is a mixture of 2.24 and 2.26... I just asked gnome-about and that is on 2.26 already :) |
| 00:10.41 | etchPRSN | not that etch is bad or anything... but the latest release of debian usually most up to date, applications wise |
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| 00:11.34 | adb | !sns |
| 00:11.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 00:11.40 | zmitya | etchPRSN: ok, but I need an etch install CD now :) |
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| 00:11.51 | zmitya | I know that is not the stable now |
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| 00:11.57 | pleed | Is there a way to see how a binary package was configured on building? |
| 00:12.26 | digitaloktay | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ zmitya |
| 00:12.26 | zoredache | zmitya: if a network image will do then you could use ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 00:12.50 | etchPRSN | sns... sounds serious... etchPRSN glad he still uses sarge |
| 00:13.10 | zoredache | pleed: get the source package look at the debian/rules file? |
| 00:13.11 | zmitya | digitaloktay: thank you very much !!! |
| 00:13.39 | digitaloktay | zmitya, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 00:13.48 | digitaloktay | you can find etch |
| 00:13.53 | etchPRSN | pleed such as... what would you be looking for ? |
| 00:14.17 | zmitya | digitaloktay: thanks, I found it !! |
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| 00:14.37 | digitaloktay | TCW, and i cant install gnome in sid |
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| 00:15.00 | TCW | digitaloktay, you really know what sid stands for? |
| 00:15.00 | zmitya | zoredache: yes, netinst is good for me, I just need a rescue disk, I messed up a system :( |
| 00:15.14 | etchPRSN | digitaloktay ummm... doesnt SID have gnome with it already ? |
| 00:15.42 | zoredache | zmitya: unless you need something off the disk, a lenny cd will be just as useful to rescue as etch.... |
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| 00:16.10 | digitaloktay | TCW, yes, still in development :D, etchPRSN gnome says depency problem |
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| 00:16.23 | Wyzard | digitaloktay: There are probably some broken dependencies due to the 2.22->2.24->2.26 transition |
| 00:16.25 | etchPRSN | weird |
| 00:16.26 | zmitya | zoredache: kernels are different, does it matter ? |
| 00:16.34 | pleed | etchPRSN: trying to build rtorrent myself with xmlrpc, but seems that i havent got all the features like in the debian package |
| 00:16.43 | etchPRSN | ahh |
| 00:16.46 | pleed | etchPRSN: wanted to know the additional configure options |
| 00:17.01 | jmichaelx | when i decide to quit an xfce session in lenny, three buttons show up on the screen - logout, shutdown and reboot - but only 'logout' isn't greyed out. what do i need to change to be able to choose logout or reboot, instead of having to be sent back to gdm to do that? |
| 00:17.02 | zoredache | zmitya: depends on what you broke, but possibly not... |
| 00:17.28 | zmitya | zoredache: I made a mistake during the initrd, it does not boot |
| 00:17.56 | zmitya | I got an (initrd) prompt, and I cannto see my raid arrays :( |
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| 00:18.00 | etchPRSN | jmichaelx I personally would use init ? |
| 00:18.24 | jmichaelx | etchPRSN, init? |
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| 00:18.40 | etchPRSN | prolly no help if you dont use it |
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| 00:19.05 | jmichaelx | etchPRSN, i might use it, if i knew what it was |
| 00:19.26 | grand_grunt | jmichaelx: man init |
| 00:19.27 | etchPRSN | lol... well... google for init or init levels |
| 00:19.49 | zoredache | zmitya: it sure seems like you should be fine with a lenny disk for resucing... Since you found the iso, you might as well download it and use that |
| 00:21.08 | jmichaelx | etchPRSN, so you may be suggesting that i could be using the wrong run level? |
| 00:21.25 | etchPRSN | wonders if there is something like a [leeny environment] I can insert into an Etch install, for running just Lenny apps ? |
| 00:21.52 | etchPRSN | no... init will give you all the bootable options |
| 00:22.04 | jmichaelx | hmm |
| 00:22.31 | grand_grunt | etchPRSN: what do you want to keep on etch? It's kernel? If you want lenny apps, just use lenny, why not? |
| 00:22.32 | enouf | jmichaelx: no idea what xfce4 options/menus are like, but you might need to go into its |
| 00:22.35 | jmichaelx | i guess i just assumes that i probably just needed to change a setting in xfce or gdm |
| 00:22.48 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.51 | TCW | digitaloktay, no... I mean what it _really_ stands for? |
| 00:22.52 | enouf | "control center" and tell it that users may shutdown/reboot |
| 00:23.02 | grand_grunt | jmichaelx: do you start xfce from gdm, or with "startx" from shell? |
| 00:23.06 | jmichaelx | ok, ty all for the help |
| 00:23.21 | enouf | jmichaelx: do you run startxfce4* ? |
| 00:23.34 | zmitya | zoredache: yes, I think I'll need this as well |
| 00:23.38 | jmichaelx | grand_grunt, i had been using startxfce4 all along, but recently began using gdm |
| 00:23.39 | etchPRSN | grand_.... well... sure... getting it and installing is a major prob for me without internet at home |
| 00:23.44 | zmitya | thanks for the help, going back to the ISP |
| 00:23.46 | zmitya | cheers |
| 00:23.50 | enouf | jmichaelx: also - look into possible update-{xfce4}-alternatives? |
| 00:23.57 | etchPRSN | adb sounds nice... do-able on same system ? |
| 00:24.11 | jmichaelx | enouf, ty, i will look at that |
| 00:24.11 | adb | sure |
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| 00:24.20 | enouf | jmichaelx: tab completion should help, you need root/sudo privs to alter those settings |
| 00:24.21 | grand_grunt | jmichaelx: as far as I can remember, "halt" and "reboot" buttuns are available if the logged user got sudo powers |
| 00:25.00 | jmichaelx | ok, i have never set-up sudo on this machine. this would be a good time to do that |
| 00:25.28 | jmichaelx | ty grand_grunt and enouf |
| 00:25.46 | enouf | jmichaelx: "update-alternatives --config x-[TAB][TAB]" will also allow you to set x-related defaults |
| 00:26.01 | enouf | jmichaelx: /msg dpkg sudoers |
| 00:26.14 | enouf | will bbl |
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| 00:36.21 | Christ_ | Hi, i'm having some problems with nvidia driver |
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| 00:36.57 | Christ_ | i just upgraded to kernel 2.6.29 |
| 00:38.19 | patrikf | !tell Christ_ about doesnt work |
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| 00:39.18 | adb | !nvidia |
| 00:39.18 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 00:40.06 | Christ_ | patrikf: when i'm installing the driver, i get an error, this is my nvidia-installer.log: http://pastebin.com/d70293568 |
| 00:40.50 | patrikf | Christ_: read what dpkg just said in response to adb |
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| 00:44.29 | Christ_ | ok, let me try... |
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| 00:45.21 | asdfqwer | what is a decent e-r diagram tool for gnome? |
| 00:45.27 | asdfqwer | nothing fancy. |
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| 00:45.52 | patrikf | asdfqwer: e-r? |
| 00:45.54 | asdfqwer | Dia seems popular, any others? |
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| 00:46.02 | patrikf | yes, was about to suggest dia |
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| 00:46.05 | asdfqwer | entity relationship, for database modeling |
| 00:46.34 | adb | !tell asdfqwer about search |
| 00:46.43 | patrikf | maybe you could do away with graphviz as well (command-line utilities for directed and undirected graphs) |
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| 00:47.16 | asdfqwer | adb, I was just doing some parallel processing, gee whiz |
| 00:47.24 | adb | plot |
| 00:47.34 | l7 | hi, i'm trying to use virtualize DebianLive inside of VirtualBox. which image is the best choice? |
| 00:47.55 | adb | octave |
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| 00:50.55 | piukeman | hello to all of you !!! |
| 00:51.16 | piukeman | i have a deal here , is there a way to play mms in TOTEM |
| 00:51.36 | adb | mms ? |
| 00:51.44 | piukeman | i `ve been trying to play a local radio but i can not success on it |
| 00:52.18 | piukeman | adb yes, mms |
| 00:52.26 | piukeman | :) |
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| 00:53.50 | mns | Anyone have experience getting Debian running on a Lenovo ThinkPad T500 ? The wireless I think should be fine (Intel WiFi 5100), just the graphics that I think might be a problem: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 vs. Intel GMA 4500MHD. I'm not much familiar with graphics cards so not sure what to look for or even what basis to use for deciding which is better or not. |
| 00:53.55 | nn_GW_pc | piukeman: why in totem ????? why not use the best media program and for get about totems problems .. use mplayer |
| 00:54.14 | adb | or vlc |
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| 00:54.45 | nn_GW_pc | ya but why use more than is needed .. vlc is still to gui |
| 00:55.14 | adb | what ? |
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| 00:56.07 | nn_GW_pc | ok >? I'm just not fimilier with vlc .. I just use mplayer for everything .. and it seems to NEVER fail me |
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| 00:56.33 | mns | VLC is not gui at all. I use Emacs as my "mp3 player" and for listening to streaming radio, I use vlc, but no gui is ever present. Emacs/EMMS just passes on the information to vlc in the background, and presto I'm listening to NPR or Virgin Radio ... |
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| 00:57.27 | piukeman | mmm yes sure, but the problem is i like totem so i `m seeking for a solution on totem... |
| 00:57.36 | adb | piukeman: mimms - mms (e.g. mms://) stream downloader; lmms - Linux Multimedia Studio |
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| 00:57.46 | piukeman | i will give it a try to the packages totem-xine |
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| 00:58.01 | piukeman | adb thanks a lot |
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| 00:58.22 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.52 | adb | better than in totem |
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| 00:59.12 | piukeman | i will say a sad confesion :( i HATE QT |
| 00:59.22 | piukeman | so i do not like vlc |
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| 00:59.56 | adb | no warry, who care ;) |
| 01:00.08 | mns | vlc is not QT based though. |
| 01:00.34 | piukeman | mns yes vlc is qt based |
| 01:00.43 | piukeman | adb THANKS A LOT :) |
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| 01:00.59 | piukeman | i do not know why but i do not like qt |
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| 01:01.26 | piukeman | i always used and i still .... using gnme |
| 01:01.32 | piukeman | gnome |
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| 01:02.08 | mns | piukeman: vlc uses wxwidgets. I run vlc and I don't like qt either, and it doesn't show a trace of qt as far as I can tell. Yes libqtgui4 is installed when you install vlc, but that's because of wxwidgets .... |
| 01:03.18 | piukeman | mns but wxwidgets depends on qt ? |
| 01:03.57 | piukeman | why it `s present on the installation ? |
| 01:04.02 | mns | it depends on it, but it also depends on gtk/glib, and uses what your systems native look is. so if you've got a gnome desktop, it uses gnome .. :) |
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| 01:04.23 | piukeman | ooo i get it |
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| 01:04.41 | mns | or rather .. wxwidgets does its best to look like gtk/gnome .. |
| 01:04.43 | piukeman | mns i get it now thanks |
| 01:04.53 | mns | yw |
| 01:05.16 | piukeman | i will give a try obn vlc so i will jaja :) |
| 01:05.40 | mns | :) |
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| 01:12.08 | Drakeson | is pidgin xmpp problem resolved yet? |
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| 01:15.24 | smacnay | Drakeson: not sure but I find that empathy/telepathy is a better solution than pidgin (for my needs at least). |
| 01:16.42 | Jckf | When I do "/etc/init.d/networking restart" my box becomes unavailable on the network until it has been restarted. Is this due to a configuration error, or am I just not supposed to restart networking? |
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| 01:18.00 | pickcoder | Jckf: are you running a firewall? |
| 01:18.08 | Jckf | No |
| 01:18.13 | patrikf | Jckf: that's exactly how it's supposed to work |
| 01:18.25 | Jckf | It's not supposed to come back ever? |
| 01:18.29 | pickcoder | patrikf: you should not have to reboot |
| 01:18.34 | patrikf | oh, reboot |
| 01:18.40 | patrikf | he said until it has been restarted... |
| 01:18.50 | pickcoder | Jckf: look at route and iptables after a restart |
| 01:18.52 | Jckf | Yes. Sorry. Bad phrasing |
| 01:18.53 | patrikf | and I thought "it" was networking |
| 01:18.56 | patrikf | sorry then |
| 01:19.08 | pickcoder | it could be your default route is not coming back |
| 01:19.14 | pickcoder | DHCP or static? |
| 01:19.17 | Jckf | Static |
| 01:19.26 | pickcoder | make sure your routes are correct |
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| 01:19.46 | patrikf | Jckf: are you issuing the restart command via ssh? |
| 01:19.50 | Jckf | This isn't really testable, since this is a remote computer. I've now lost contact with it =P |
| 01:19.58 | Jckf | patrikf: Yes |
| 01:20.07 | pickcoder | Jckf: so run under screen |
| 01:20.08 | patrikf | I don't know... maybe the script gets SIGHUP? |
| 01:20.16 | pickcoder | hm |
| 01:20.22 | pickcoder | that won't work since you have to reboot |
| 01:20.44 | patrikf | Jckf: try "(nohup /etc/init.d/networking restart) &" next time, or use screen as pickcoder suggested |
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| 01:22.11 | Jckf | I'll have to create a cronjob which reboots the machine every now and then first =P |
| 01:22.28 | Jckf | Will test tomorrow when I get someone at the remote site to reboot it |
| 01:23.46 | adb | piukeman: http://zerlinna.blogspot.com/2006/01/watching-video-streams-mms-and-rtsp.html |
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| 01:26.36 | pickcoder | Jckf: you can always tag a route and iptable dump statement to the restart command, using semi-colons |
| 01:26.50 | pickcoder | or write a "restart" script to it |
| 01:27.05 | pickcoder | at least you will have post-failure logs |
| 01:27.08 | Jckf | Good idea. Noted |
| 01:27.54 | pickcoder | I'd probably also include ifconfig -a |
| 01:27.57 | Matson | I want a script to run every time I successfully install a package. looking at /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-localepurge - it looks like I want "DPkg { Post-Invoke" or similar. Where can I find docs on how to set this up? |
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| 01:30.47 | sprax | so I can I upgrade my kernel from 2.4.18 to 2.4.24? I read the section in chapter 4 of the manual, but apparently 2.4.18 is the latest version? Yet the wiki page for the ath5k driver says its bundled with 2.6.24. What can I do? I haven't configured a kernel from scratch since my LFS days... |
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| 01:31.13 | sprax | s/I can/how can I/g |
| 01:31.22 | pickcoder | sprax: you mean 2.6.18 |
| 01:31.30 | sprax | s/2.4/2.6/g |
| 01:31.32 | sprax | sorry |
| 01:31.38 | sprax | It's pretty hot in here :( |
| 01:31.39 | pickcoder | the current in Lenny is 2.6.26 |
| 01:31.51 | sprax | I think I installed etch |
| 01:32.05 | sprax | I know this is noobish but how do I check? uname -a doesn't tell me... |
| 01:32.07 | pickcoder | feel like upgrading to the new stable? |
| 01:32.15 | pickcoder | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:32.22 | pickcoder | 4.0 is Etch |
| 01:32.25 | pickcoder | 5.0 is Lenny |
| 01:32.35 | pickcoder | which is currently "stable" |
| 01:32.39 | pickcoder | Etch is now "oldstable" |
| 01:32.49 | sprax | Yeah, it's etch, I thought so |
| 01:33.01 | sprax | ok so what I should do is read the manual page on upgrading my whole install |
| 01:33.10 | patrikf | !etch->lenny |
| 01:33.20 | patrikf | dpkg, etch->lenny |
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| 01:33.44 | pickcoder | !tell sprax about etch->lenny |
| 01:34.19 | sprax | thanks pickcoder |
| 01:35.34 | sprax | aptitude seems pretty cool, I've never run it... |
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| 01:36.12 | pickcoder | I think apt is still easier to use for searching |
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| 01:37.38 | sprax | yeah, there is just no substitute for grep is there? |
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| 01:37.48 | pickcoder | apt-cache search :) |
| 01:37.56 | sprax | apt-cache search | grep |
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| 01:46.38 | PiousMinion | Hi, I'm getting the following when trying to boot the lenny kernel (2.6.26) in QEMU. Any ideas? --> "fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed!" |
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| 01:47.40 | PiousMinion | with different boot options I get "kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" :( |
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| 01:50.21 | sepult | since when does one get new packages over security.debian.org ??? |
| 01:51.13 | sepult | i have 236 new packages, since i added the repository |
| 01:51.25 | sepult | i thought you get just security updates |
| 01:51.41 | PiousMinion | yeah, updated packages that solve the issue |
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| 01:52.07 | sprax | reboot |
| 01:52.35 | sepult | PiousMinion: the question is why don't they put it into the normal repo ? when they are the fixed ones ?? |
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| 01:53.23 | PiousMinion | good question. I'm sure there is some logical reason. hmm |
| 01:53.29 | patrikf | sepult: sounds weird |
| 01:54.20 | click170 | One reason, though probably by no means the only, is for speed of distribution. Waiting for it to filter down through all of the mirrors takes longer than if everyone references one central security mirror? |
| 01:54.21 | sepult | patrikf: i really have now installed debian from cd, and i just have the security repo added nothing else |
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| 01:54.26 | patrikf | sepult: well.. have you had a look at it? it's probably mostly kernel packages |
| 01:54.41 | pickcoder | 236 kernel packages? |
| 01:54.41 | sepult | patrikf: no |
| 01:54.45 | pickcoder | I doubt that |
| 01:54.47 | patrikf | pickcoder: modules... |
| 01:55.00 | sepult | patrikf: 236 packages all along with admin, sound etc etc packages |
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| 01:55.12 | sepult | graphics utils web |
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| 01:55.13 | pickcoder | sepult: you did reference the correct version repo, right? |
| 01:55.31 | sepult | pickcoder: correct version repo ?? |
| 01:55.35 | sepult | pickcoder: what ya mean ? |
| 01:55.36 | patrikf | sepult: are you sure those weren't "new" even before adding security.debian.org? |
| 01:55.54 | patrikf | sepult: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy" on a pastebin? |
| 01:56.01 | PiousMinion | sepult: seeing the source line you used as well as knowing which release you are using would be helpful. |
| 01:56.05 | sepult | patrikf: yes i'm sure, there were no new packages prior to adding the security line |
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| 01:56.45 | sepult | PiousMinion: Debian 5.0 lenny |
| 01:56.59 | sepult | PiousMinion: the repo i put is ftp.de.debian.org/debian |
| 01:57.12 | PiousMinion | sepult: what about the exact source line you added? |
| 01:57.13 | sepult | PiousMinion: no which i didn't put yet |
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| 01:57.22 | sepult | PiousMinion: i just have the cd added |
| 01:57.33 | PiousMinion | I thought you added security updates? |
| 01:57.35 | patrikf | sepult: please put the output of "apt-cache policy" and "aptitude search '~N'" onto a pastebin (paste.debian.org) |
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| 01:57.44 | sepult | PiousMinion: it's some cd with a footprint or so |
| 01:58.02 | sauvin | Debian lenny just upgraded my kernel from -1 to -2, and now I can't start X. I suspect the nvidia modules didn't make the trip. I've fixed this before but don't remember what I did. Can anybody help? |
| 01:58.04 | PiousMinion | sepult: see patrikf's suggestions |
| 01:58.14 | PiousMinion | s/suggestions/suggestion |
| 01:58.34 | sepult | PiousMinion: is paste.debian.org dead ? |
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| 01:58.44 | patrikf | .net, sorry |
| 01:58.46 | patrikf | paste.debian.net |
| 01:59.16 | adb | dead too |
| 01:59.24 | patrikf | adb: no? |
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| 01:59.42 | sepult | ah ok |
| 01:59.44 | sepult | now i have it |
| 01:59.56 | adb | hmm , from hire |
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| 02:00.51 | adb | and epiphany only ... |
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| 02:02.09 | sepult | http://paste.debian.net/33852 |
| 02:02.16 | sepult | that's my sources |
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| 02:02.39 | LZNPDE | nite |
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| 02:03.11 | smacnay | If I move my xorg.conf file to some backup and re-run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, should it not generate a new file? |
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| 02:03.29 | patrikf | smacnay: I think the current X.org does without a conf file |
| 02:03.43 | patrikf | i.e. everything configured at startup |
| 02:04.47 | smacnay | patrikf: really, how do I alter things or add things? Like which vid ouput I want? |
| 02:05.22 | patrikf | smacnay: forever or just temporarily? |
| 02:05.45 | smacnay | patrikf: maybe forever... |
| 02:06.07 | smacnay | patrikf: I would like to be able to adjust screen resolutions, use 'nv', etc. |
| 02:06.23 | patrikf | smacnay: well, you can fool around with xrandr (a command-line tool), those settings are lost with the X process |
| 02:06.44 | patrikf | for everything persistent, and for nv, /etc/X11/xorg.conf... you'll have to write one of your own :) |
| 02:06.58 | enouf | X [ |
| 02:06.59 | enouf | [ |
| 02:07.04 | smacnay | patrikf: ah, so there is no configure script any more... |
| 02:07.05 | enouf | crap .... |
| 02:07.10 | patrikf | enouf: yes, we're talking about X |
| 02:07.15 | enouf | X -configure |
| 02:07.23 | smacnay | enouf: that is the command now? |
| 02:07.39 | enouf | !drxx |
| 02:07.39 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 02:08.07 | patrikf | sepult: I'd be very interested what's going on with those "NEW" packages there. can you please run the commands I suggested? thank you. |
| 02:10.44 | sauvin | !@#$@#$ updates breaking kernel modules! |
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| 02:12.19 | patrikf | laughs at sauvin and his proprietary drivers. |
| 02:12.35 | pickcoder | I thought the drxx was removed from Lenny |
| 02:12.54 | sauvin | Everything I'm running is from apt-get and module-assistant. |
| 02:13.00 | sauvin | I mean quite literally everythign. |
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| 02:16.28 | sepult | patrikf: http://paste.debian.net/33855/ |
| 02:17.43 | sepult | patrikf: i added the ftp line a minute ago |
| 02:17.51 | sepult | patrikf: it wasn't there before |
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| 02:17.57 | patrikf | okay |
| 02:18.02 | patrikf | and aptitude search '~N'? |
| 02:18.18 | sepult | patrikf: and wait, i'll paste what aptitude search '~N' gives |
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| 02:18.54 | sauvin | That's better. |
| 02:19.06 | sepult | patrikf: gah, that's huge i can't paste that |
| 02:19.18 | sauvin | Why do linux headers and suchlike not update when the kernel is updated? |
| 02:19.20 | sepult | patrikf: since i added the ftp repo |
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| 02:19.55 | sepult | patrikf: 18785 lines |
| 02:20.08 | patrikf | yeah. I hope you hadn't aptitude-updated yet. |
| 02:20.10 | patrikf | hoped*. |
| 02:20.18 | patrikf | well, it'll remain a mistery forever then. :D |
| 02:20.22 | sepult | patrikf: o i did sorry |
| 02:20.38 | sepult | patrikf: i was already downloading some |
| 02:20.47 | patrikf | nvm |
| 02:20.51 | sepult | patrikf: but i didn't merge the updatable list |
| 02:20.52 | sprax | pickcoder ok so I ran aptitude safe-upgrade and it tells me it wants to install x11-common and a lot of other X related. The box is headless and doesn't currently have X installed. I dont really want X... |
| 02:21.04 | sepult | patrikf: it still shows me 155 updatable packages |
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| 02:23.24 | adb | sprax: set Recommands off in apt.conf or so |
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| 02:28.22 | heyuxiang | anybody recommands some action movie ? |
| 02:29.27 | petemc | rambo |
| 02:30.09 | sprax | adb thanks but the result is the same |
| 02:30.28 | adb | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
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| 02:32.24 | sprax | apt::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 02:32.24 | sprax | apt::Install-Suggests "false"; |
| 02:33.02 | sepult | is it normal that updates recommend uninstall of linux-image ???? |
| 02:33.23 | sepult | or atl2-module ? |
| 02:35.20 | adb | sprax: try " APT:: ..." |
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| 02:40.46 | heyuxiang | petemc: thanks, i'v already seen it . any new to recommand ? |
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| 03:16.06 | Hoxzer | gaintsura: You mean you're at the login screen and you get repeatedly error "access denied" Eventhouh you're not typinganything. If so you're having same problem as I do :/ |
| 03:16.16 | gaintsura | no |
| 03:16.22 | Hoxzer | Oh :( |
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| 03:17.33 | gaintsura | when I logged in it would go to the desktop, load gnome-panel, and tried to load something else at the same time, conflicting, causing the loading to stop, I managed to fix it by copying the 'failsafe' configuration from my session file to my default configuration and then rebuilding whatever session information I needed after that |
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| 03:26.23 | maciell_ | #debian |
| 03:26.37 | gaintsura | yarrrr =( |
| 03:27.16 | Xenguy | a pity, to be sure |
| 03:27.50 | Xenguy | but sanity comes from "higher" levels of justice in Sweden perhaps? |
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| 03:29.39 | maciell_ | Anyone has idea? http://rafb.net/p/ginONc64.html |
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| 03:31.07 | rafuch0 | any coomand to put the screen at inactive? |
| 03:32.13 | cwheeler | anyone here run a mail server on a linode machine? |
| 03:32.54 | lucascoala | rm -rf ~/.* |
| 03:33.06 | lucascoala | restart your xorg session. |
| 03:33.16 | lucascoala | this should works, if i got your issue. |
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| 03:34.32 | adb | lucascoala: hmm ? |
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| 03:37.21 | gaintsura | my sessions are b0rked... it doesn't save half of the files, doesn't properly load the other half |
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| 03:38.23 | maciell_ | Can anyone send your sources.list ? |
| 03:38.26 | gaintsura | hey Sememmon =D |
| 03:38.35 | gaintsura | maciell_: whats the problem? |
| 03:38.57 | maciell_ | gaintsura, My apt-get update do not work good. |
| 03:39.13 | Sememmon | waves to gaintsura |
| 03:39.16 | gaintsura | maciell_: slow |
| 03:39.20 | gaintsura | waves back to Sememmon |
| 03:39.27 | gaintsura | ? |
| 03:39.59 | gaintsura | maciell_: are your updates going slow? |
| 03:40.00 | maciell_ | http://rafb.net/p/ginONc64.html The language is BR, I don't know how change. |
| 03:40.45 | maciell_ | gaintsura, Just don't update my mirrors. |
| 03:41.05 | maciell_ | gaintsura, I got that problem. |
| 03:41.34 | gaintsura | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 03:41.53 | gaintsura | replace your mirrors with one of those |
| 03:41.58 | lucascoala | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 03:42.14 | pickcoder | and try not to break it.. it's 7-years bad luck |
| 03:42.20 | pickcoder | har har |
| 03:42.21 | gaintsura | lol |
| 03:42.21 | lucascoala | i am using this address, it is working fine. |
| 03:42.36 | gaintsura | forgot about the contrib and non-free |
| 03:43.37 | maciell_ | gaintsura, Thanks, I'll try. |
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| 03:44.51 | Rusty1 | maciell_: if you ping , say, debian,org, do you get a response? |
| 03:45.14 | freaky_t | how do i see all suggested packages if i install eg. amavisd-new? |
| 03:45.20 | freaky_t | if the program is allready installed? |
| 03:45.52 | liable | freaky_t: aptitude show amavisd-new |
| 03:46.12 | freaky_t | liable thank you :D |
| 03:46.18 | liable | yw |
| 03:47.07 | adb | lucascoala: put lenny instead stable in sources.list |
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| 03:47.46 | Rusty1 | maciell_: er debian.org . instead of , |
| 03:48.14 | adb | !sources.list |
| 03:48.14 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 03:50.37 | Zap-W | /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 03:51.38 | maciell_ | Rusty1, Yeah, I got response. |
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| 03:57.22 | Rusty1 | maciell_: paste /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:58.09 | Hoxzer | >_< |
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| 03:59.30 | DavidProck1981 | i have a problem with iceweasle, just out of no where |
| 04:00.14 | DavidProck1981 | my file menus, and the url bar .. the text is supper small allmost to where i cant read it |
| 04:00.27 | DavidProck1981 | and i have very good vision |
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| 04:01.03 | adb | gnome ? |
| 04:01.11 | DavidProck1981 | kde |
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| 04:03.05 | maciell_ | Rusty1, here: ttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/113043/ |
| 04:03.06 | adb | try set in k(de)control > system > desktop some fonts |
| 04:03.09 | DavidProck1981 | i do remember from a long time agao on a different install, something happend, but it affected every app, and was smaller than what it is now aka really non readible |
| 04:03.34 | liable | the dpi setting can do crazy stuff like that |
| 04:05.24 | DavidProck1981 | ? k(de)control > system > desktop some fonts |
| 04:05.24 | DavidProck1981 | control center? |
| 04:05.24 | adb | yeah |
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| 04:05.37 | adb | forget that kde |
| 04:05.43 | DavidProck1981 | and how do i check the dpi setttings, and why would it change out of no where |
| 04:06.00 | DavidProck1981 | i havent restarted |
| 04:06.36 | DavidProck1981 | had a browser open closed it, and a few min later open it again and things was changed |
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| 04:08.44 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
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| 04:10.36 | DavidProck1981 | heh ctrl+alt+backspace took at back to normal |
| 04:11.04 | DavidProck1981 | so for that to work what does it sound like the problem was? |
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| 04:13.19 | Rusty1 | maciell_: looks ok to me |
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| 04:14.19 | maciell_ | Rusty1, Yes, but I got that problem when I run apt-get update |
| 04:14.34 | Rusty1 | and why you can ping by hostname and apt-get won't resolve i don't know |
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| 04:15.55 | zhangweiwu | Hello. I have debian stable and every package are in a version I am satisfied except OOO where I need 3.0 (for its bullet mgmt feature) |
| 04:16.17 | zhangweiwu | what should I do? I am thinking adding testing source and install it, then remove testing from source list |
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| 04:16.38 | MasterScript | may i know debian commands? |
| 04:17.30 | DavidProck1981 | aptitude update |
| 04:17.30 | adb | see /bin ; /sbin ;/usr/bin; /usr/sbin; |
| 04:17.30 | aptitude | hmm... update is apt-get update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade or before looking for stuff with apt-cache search. |
| 04:17.33 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 04:18.06 | adb | MasterScript: ^^ |
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| 04:18.43 | MasterScript | yup |
| 04:18.59 | DavidProck1981 | aptitude: is a bot in this room? |
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| 04:19.15 | adb | yes |
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| 04:19.30 | adb | !hi |
| 04:19.30 | dpkg | hello, adb |
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| 04:20.33 | DavidProck1981 | oh what is up with changing aptitude upgrade to aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 04:20.48 | DavidProck1981 | and full-upgrade |
| 04:21.10 | adb | aptitude upgrade |
| 04:21.10 | aptitude | hmm... upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first Ask me about <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> |
| 04:21.13 | jpinks | !tell DavidProck1981 about why aptitude |
| 04:21.56 | jpinks | heh - there seems to be 2 bots in here |
| 04:22.23 | adb | ravenbird: hi |
| 04:22.24 | ravenbird | hello, adb |
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| 04:22.43 | adb | judd: hi |
| 04:22.43 | DavidProck1981 | who is the other jpinks |
| 04:22.44 | judd | adb: Error: "hi" is not a valid command. |
| 04:22.49 | r10m | hi all, i'm using my home server ( 192.168.0.1 ) to connect to my building server ( 192.168.10.1 ) i can ping from my desktop to my server and my building's server, but i can't access the web using my desktop ( DNS is ok, router is ok as well... ) what can i do ? |
| 04:23.04 | jpinx | they are both me - I'm doing some testing |
| 04:23.51 | jpinx | r10m: can you ping a public IP number? |
| 04:24.06 | maciell_ | Rusty1, Don't you have idea how solve the problem? |
| 04:24.15 | r10m | jpinx, i can from my server but not from my desktop |
| 04:25.34 | DavidProck1981 | r10m: tring to use your roughter outside your house to connect to someone else and from your router to inside your house, . That way you dont have to go outside to use some body else connection??? |
| 04:25.39 | jpinx | that means nothing to me here r10m Which one is connected to the internet? where's the router? |
| 04:26.19 | jpinx | r10m: we need more informtion about the layout of your lan |
| 04:27.24 | deb-eate1 | r10m: try pining 209.85.171.100 |
| 04:28.14 | jpinx | if that works r10m try pinging google.com - if you get the number but not the name, you have a dns problem |
| 04:29.08 | deb-eate1 | r10m: What is you currnet exteriour ip address? |
| 04:29.58 | r10m | i can't ping any IP outside my home network using my desktop but i can using my server, i can browse the internet using my server but not using my desktop |
| 04:30.32 | jpinx | r10m: is your server behind a router? |
| 04:30.43 | r10m | yes |
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| 04:31.18 | jpinx | is your desktop connected to the router or to the server? |
| 04:31.45 | r10m | to the server ( my server ) |
| 04:31.45 | deb-eate1 | r10m: What is the ip address of the external interface on your router? |
| 04:32.49 | r10m | deb-eate1 189.23.192.2 |
| 04:33.04 | deb-eate1 | r10m: You need to connect the desktop directly to the router, unless the server in questions is your router |
| 04:33.20 | r10m | my server is routing |
| 04:33.28 | r10m | to my desktop |
| 04:33.32 | jpinx | then set the server up as a router |
| 04:33.41 | r10m | and my building's server is routing to my server |
| 04:33.58 | jpinx | it has to do the dns functions for your desktop |
| 04:34.16 | r10m | it does |
| 04:34.24 | r10m | that is why i don't know what is the problem |
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| 04:34.55 | jpinx | r10m: hang on - you can't ping an IP from the desktop either? |
| 04:35.26 | jpinx | how did you configure your server to act as a router? |
| 04:35.41 | r10m | from my desktop i just can ping my server and my building's server |
| 04:36.12 | deb-eate1 | r10m: I =just pinged the external ip address of your router and all my packets were returned |
| 04:36.25 | r10m | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE ( wireless connection here - my server ) and 1 >> /proc/..../ip_forward |
| 04:36.57 | jpinx | r10m: sounds like you have a router, and building server, your server and your desktop? |
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| 04:37.20 | r10m | deb-eate1 maybe it's configured not to return external pings, don't know.... |
| 04:38.00 | r10m | jpinx, yes |
| 04:38.11 | jpinx | r10m: who configured your server for you - that seems to be where the block is |
| 04:38.24 | r10m | myself (: |
| 04:38.53 | jpinx | can your server ping a nameserver by name like google.com? |
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| 04:39.04 | r10m | yes |
| 04:39.19 | john_j | Is there a way with sendmail to have an option like -fadmin@mydomain-a.com, because when i try that cmd without the dash it's working but with the dash it's not working |
| 04:39.22 | jpinx | ok - then the problem is probably your server |
| 04:39.40 | r10m | i think the problem is between my server and my desktop ( but it is not the DNS ) |
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| 04:40.41 | r10m | i cleaned all iptables rules and configured that way i told you |
| 04:40.46 | jpinx | r10m: beyond my skills mate - but I'd go though the setup of your server very carefully, it's not passing requests from your desktop to the outside world |
| 04:40.48 | DavidProck1981 | question im useing my wireless device /dev/eth1 .. my lan is eth0, during the boot process it hangs on tring to connect to the lan, how can i stop that, well not relly a "hang" just tries to connect like 13 times |
| 04:41.42 | DanDare | DavidProck1981, if you change from DHCP for static IP configuration this will not happen |
| 04:42.18 | simonrvn | second, there is no such thing as /dev/ethX |
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| 04:43.18 | r10m | jpinx, thank you dude |
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| 04:46.52 | maciell_ | Anyone has idea? http://rafb.net/p/ginONc64.html |
| 04:47.46 | jpinx | !pt |
| 04:47.47 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 04:48.01 | sepult | !br |
| 04:48.01 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:48.03 | sepult | !es |
| 04:48.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:48.36 | deb-eater | !br |
| 04:48.36 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:49.14 | DanDare | maciell_, looks like internet problem? Apt cant ping repos or you repositories links are wrong ? |
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| 04:50.23 | jpinx | maciell_: looks like you aren't root |
| 04:50.31 | DavidProck1981 | where/what is the config file to control the lan & wireless settings on boot startup? |
| 04:50.45 | jpinx | until the 2nd try ;) |
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| 04:51.30 | DanDare | DavidProck1981, network setting are defined on the file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:51.30 | jpinx | maciell_: then you didn't have a connection to the internet, or it wasn't resolving the names |
| 04:51.31 | maciell_ | DanDare, My internet is ok, the repos is ping good, and the repositores links look ok |
| 04:51.48 | maciell_ | jpinx, I'm not root when I run apt-update |
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| 04:52.16 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
| 04:52.51 | jpinx | maciell_: try as root |
| 04:53.26 | jpinx | maciell_: maybe paste your sources.list |
| 04:53.39 | maciell_ | As root I got the same problems |
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| 04:54.08 | maciell_ | jpinx, here: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/113048/ |
| 04:56.34 | jpinx | maciell_: nothing wrong with that in my view |
| 04:57.02 | jpinx | maciell_: have you tried another mirror? |
| 04:57.50 | maciell_ | jpinx, No, I didn't |
| 04:58.47 | jpinx | maciell_: try a US mirror to see |
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| 05:00.13 | maciell_ | jpinx, I tray this US mirror: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 05:00.27 | maciell_ | jpinx, and I got the some problem. |
| 05:00.33 | maciell_ | same * |
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| 05:01.23 | jpinx | maciell_: try it with http://ftp.us.debian...... |
| 05:02.38 | jpinx | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny contrib non-free |
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| 05:02.42 | jpinx | maciell_: ^^ |
| 05:03.34 | maciell_ | jpinx, Same problem again .. |
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| 05:06.00 | initq | allo allo |
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| 05:07.16 | jpinx | sorry maciell_ that has me beat |
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| 05:09.01 | maciell_ | jpinx, You will not believe. |
| 05:09.20 | jpinx | maciell_: if you can ping or otherwise resolve those url's then you should be able to connect apt to them |
| 05:09.23 | maciell_ | jpinx, I try with another terminal, and work awesome. |
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| 05:10.16 | DanDare | maciell_, are you using any remote terminal ? |
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| 05:13.10 | maciell_ | DanDare, I was using gnome-terminal, now I'm running apt-get update with xterm |
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| 05:15.30 | hanibana | hi all :) |
| 05:16.08 | maciell_ | DanDare, Know the why? |
| 05:16.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | maciell_, do you have a proxy? |
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| 05:16.29 | DanDare | maciell_, i dont, sorry. |
| 05:16.43 | maciell_ | DanDare, No problem, thanks. |
| 05:16.55 | hanibana | I have Debian Lenny installed on my external hard disk and boot it on two different systems, home and work ones. My problem with my Windows installed on VirtualBox is that: I can NOT restore a state on a system that have been saved on another system! it gives me an error about CPU_ID_MISMATCH and tells that I should discard the state. Yes, it's about the different hardwares on two systems; But, is there any solution for this?! |
| 05:17.16 | hanibana | any experience? :/ |
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| 05:17.44 | maciell_ | Kamping_Kaiser, Is so weird, apt-get update works good with xterm, but not with gnome-terminal |
| 05:17.48 | zl2tod | maciell_, DanDare: sorry for jumping in late, what's the problem you are seeing ? I missed your original report |
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| 05:18.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | maciell_, hence i ask about the proxy. if you run `echo $http_proxy` and `echo $HTTP_PROXY` in gnome-term does it return anything? |
| 05:18.28 | DanDare | zl2tod, problem is solved. he was getting apt errors while in gnome-terminal |
| 05:18.53 | zl2tod | Which errors ? |
| 05:18.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | DanDare, thats not solved, thats worked around. |
| 05:19.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | zl2tod, <maciell_> Anyone has idea? http://rafb.net/p/ginONc64.html |
| 05:19.13 | DanDare | yeah i know Kamping_Kaiser, said it wrong |
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| 05:19.36 | maciell_ | tp://:@:8080/, Kamping_Kaiser |
| 05:19.48 | maciell_ | http://:@:8080/ * |
| 05:19.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | maciell_, theres your problem :) |
| 05:20.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | it cant connect to the proxy |
| 05:20.36 | maciell_ | Kamping_Kaiser, i'll be grad if you tell me how solve it |
| 05:20.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | maciell_, system -> administration -> proxy settings |
| 05:21.14 | maciell_ | glad * |
| 05:21.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | er, i stand corrected. system -> preferences -> network proxy |
| 05:21.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | select 'direct internet connection' |
| 05:22.35 | zl2tod | thanks Kamping_Kaiser, I'm having trouble getting the Packages file from security.debian.org [IP: 195.20.242.89 21]... fails with apt-get and aptitude, works with wget ... apt* never seems to use a different server in the rotation |
| 05:22.35 | aptitude | zl2tod: bitte |
| 05:22.57 | maciell_ | Kamping_Kaiser, Is working good now, Thanks. |
| 05:23.11 | maciell_ | DanDare, jpinx , thanks you too. |
| 05:23.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | zl2tod, i've got that same problem on one of my hosts. i pointed it to an internal mirror, so i dont know what a real fix is :\ |
| 05:23.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | maciell_, :) nice work. |
| 05:24.06 | jpinx | maciell_: yw |
| 05:24.13 | zl2tod | Kamping_Kaiser, thanks, at least it's not me ... I guess there is more than one problem there ... apt* not using more than one server and the server it does use is b0rked |
| 05:24.33 | zl2tod | which is scary when it's a security server |
| 05:24.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | zl2tod, agreed. I'll be reinstalliing the box when I have a spare weekend to do it in |
| 05:25.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | (or flat out replacing it) |
| 05:25.49 | Nasra | damn, I have a problem I bought an ACER little computer no OS on it....aspire one ...and it does not pass the Ramdisk stage....what is wrong with this computer (brandnew one)? |
| 05:26.26 | zl2tod | I changed from http sources to ftp ones to avoid brokenness of my isp's useless sodding proxy ... no joy |
| 05:26.36 | Nasra | it just say loading Ramdisk |
| 05:26.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nasra, run memtest |
| 05:27.03 | Nasra | how is that? |
| 05:27.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nasra, isnt it on the install cd? |
| 05:27.49 | Nasra | correct.. |
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| 05:28.47 | zl2tod | Nasra, does the install CD boot ok ? |
| 05:29.00 | Nasra | nope |
| 05:29.04 | zl2tod | ouch |
| 05:29.09 | Nasra | when I turn it on... |
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| 05:29.41 | Nasra | all is says loading the Ramdisk |
| 05:29.54 | Nasra | have not insert cd or nothing.... |
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| 05:30.06 | Nasra | supposed to be from memery, right? |
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| 05:30.46 | zl2tod | Nasra, what happens when you try booting an install CD ? |
| 05:30.50 | Nasra | loading ramdisk image |
| 05:31.02 | Nasra | no cd |
| 05:31.14 | Nasra | need to buy an optical drive |
| 05:31.18 | zl2tod | ahhh |
| 05:31.19 | Nasra | cd too big |
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| 05:31.45 | Nasra | is there a way around that ? |
| 05:31.57 | zl2tod | how are you trying to install the OS now ? |
| 05:32.07 | Nasra | manually |
| 05:32.19 | zl2tod | from which media ? |
| 05:32.20 | Nasra | ramdisk image |
| 05:32.41 | zl2tod | that's way beyond my experience |
| 05:32.52 | Nasra | try to hit alt+f12 |
| 05:32.55 | Nasra | f10 |
| 05:32.57 | Nasra | etc |
| 05:32.59 | Nasra | and nothing |
| 05:33.09 | zl2tod | how are you getting the ramdisk image into the machine ? |
| 05:33.25 | Nasra | is a built-in one |
| 05:33.31 | Nasra | that comes with it, no? |
| 05:33.54 | zl2tod | I dunno, What model is the machine ? |
| 05:34.19 | Nasra | is an acer ASPIRE ONE. |
| 05:34.31 | Nasra | a little one |
| 05:34.47 | Nasra | bought it from walmart |
| 05:35.53 | Nasra | where will I buy an optical drive that works with my ACER one? |
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| 05:36.24 | zl2tod | Nasra, if it has no operating system on it it isn't going to boot ... I'm surprised that walmart would be selling you a amchine with no OS on it all all |
| 05:36.49 | Nasra | better beleave it they did |
| 05:36.57 | Coweater | take it back... |
| 05:37.05 | Nasra | no take it back |
| 05:37.18 | zl2tod | Nasra, what's the model number ? |
| 05:37.25 | Nasra | either you call technical support |
| 05:37.31 | Nasra | or find a way to do it |
| 05:37.33 | Nasra | hangon |
| 05:38.07 | zl2tod | If you bought it new, talk to Walmart or take it back |
| 05:38.37 | cristiano | exit |
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| 05:38.48 | Nasra | it's acer AOA150-1901 aspire One NTBK blue |
| 05:39.35 | Nasra | z12tod: you see it? |
| 05:41.21 | zl2tod | Nasra, according to what I'm reading it comes with XP installed |
| 05:42.01 | Nasra | but why does not want to boot |
| 05:42.15 | Nasra | it says that need to install it |
| 05:42.27 | zl2tod | Nasra, has it ever booted for you ? |
| 05:42.32 | Nasra | nope |
| 05:42.35 | Nasra | brand new |
| 05:42.39 | zl2tod | send it back |
| 05:42.41 | Nasra | is on though |
| 05:43.00 | Nasra | I am right now at the acer erecovery management |
| 05:43.04 | Nasra | thats it |
| 05:43.54 | zl2tod | Nasra, why are you asking about it here ? |
| 05:43.55 | Nasra | needed to install debian lateron |
| 05:44.16 | Nasra | good question |
| 05:44.38 | Nasra | wrong keys endup in here by having too many channels open |
| 05:44.41 | Nasra | oh lol... |
| 05:44.53 | zl2tod | hehe |
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| 05:45.05 | zl2tod | you might be better off getting a model with linux already installed |
| 05:45.11 | Nasra | needed to be on the windows |
| 05:46.11 | Nasra | z12tod: any other suggestion lol? |
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| 06:26.24 | yang | is my iceweasel refuses to start becouse of the corrupted homepage, where can i set a new homepage manually (which configs)? |
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| 06:32.18 | owen1 | how to detect to file system on my usb stick? |
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| 06:35.04 | owen1 | how to detect the file system on my usb stick? |
| 06:35.18 | liable | fdisk -l |
| 06:35.21 | yang | owen1: fdisk -.l |
| 06:35.24 | izua | is there any gtd software for console? |
| 06:35.29 | yang | -l |
| 06:36.38 | owen1 | yang: liable it say 'Linux'. what type should i write in the mount command (i tried ext3 but it's not working)+ |
| 06:37.02 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:37.18 | owen1 | cahoot: i'll give it a shot |
| 06:37.50 | simonrvn | could try file -s /dev/whatever too (as root) |
| 06:37.58 | simonrvn | owen1: ^^^ |
| 06:39.02 | cahoot | and - an error msg would be more informative than 'not working' |
| 06:39.11 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 06:39.26 | owen1 | cahoot: you are correct. it seems like an issue with uid - EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value |
| 06:39.44 | cahoot | skip uid if ext* |
| 06:39.56 | owen1 | cahoot: ok. |
| 06:40.03 | owen1 | cahoot: what about gid? |
| 06:40.08 | cahoot | the same |
| 06:40.09 | simonrvn | same |
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| 06:41.09 | owen1 | simonrvn: so no need for usir id and group id on ext.. interesting. |
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| 06:41.26 | simonrvn | man mount |
| 06:41.32 | cahoot | those are intrinsic in ext* |
| 06:41.39 | owen1 | cahoot: simonrvn what about fmask and dmask |
| 06:41.51 | simonrvn | man mount |
| 06:41.54 | cahoot | just purge the options |
| 06:42.06 | cahoot | and - man mount of course |
| 06:42.15 | owen1 | cahoot: ok. thanks |
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| 06:46.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | yay! lenny doesnt fill my logs with ata5 hard resets |
| 06:47.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | guess i have a bug to file against squeeze. |
| 06:47.11 | simonrvn | \o/ |
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| 06:47.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | \o/ |
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| 06:57.25 | owen1 | cahoot: i mounted the usb, but only root can write to it. how do i specify in the mount command that anyone can write to it. i think it's something with -o but not sure what.. |
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| 06:59.54 | knoxville | what is the best linux program to send/receive sms text messages and be able to customize responses and such? |
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| 07:02.04 | valdyn | !wikifaq owen1 Permissions |
| 07:02.05 | dpkg | owen1: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 07:02.49 | owen1 | dpkg: thanks |
| 07:02.50 | dpkg | no worries, owen1 |
| 07:03.22 | owen1 | i mean valdyn |
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| 07:13.44 | arooni-mobile | how do i get git on my debian etch |
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| 07:18.08 | owen1 | valdyn: i read this page and i understand how to chmod my mounted folder to writable. but i would like to do it at the mount command. |
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| 07:20.31 | Vorg | shouldn't disabling something in debian/rules remove the dep when building? I disabled xvmc and dfb among others in xine-vdpau yet it calls for libxv-dev, libxvmc-dev and libdirectfb-dev |
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| 07:23.22 | xxtjaxx | hey people |
| 07:24.01 | xxtjaxx | how many bits is the length of the keys for the debian developers? in their pgpkey? |
| 07:24.22 | simonrvn | depends |
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| 07:26.00 | xxtjaxx | simonrvn, the one they add to the emails seems to be heavily sjhorter than the one i have created |
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| 07:27.29 | simonrvn | yes, and? some are long, some are short. |
| 07:28.13 | freebeer | Nameresolution not working - how to remedy? |
| 07:28.15 | valdyn | Vorg: you didnt disable xv? |
| 07:28.43 | Vorg | I have this line in rules: --disable-xvmc \ |
| 07:28.48 | simonrvn | freebeer: fix /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:28.55 | valdyn | Vorg: thats not xv anyway |
| 07:28.57 | freebeer | Can't ping www.sol.dk - but pingign its IP works fine. |
| 07:29.06 | freebeer | brb |
| 07:29.10 | Vorg | oh, thought it was part of it |
| 07:29.40 | valdyn | Vorg: and vdpau should need libxv too anyway |
| 07:29.43 | Vorg | and this: --disable-fb \ won't remove the call for libdirectfb-dev ether? |
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| 07:30.16 | freebeer | contains one single IP - can't resolv.conf be made 'dynamic'? |
| 07:30.17 | Vorg | seting up a new vdr system and trying to figure out what all is needed |
| 07:31.06 | Vorg | um but it also calls for libxvmc-dev. that sure sounds like xvmc to me |
| 07:33.28 | Vorg | and I have --disable-xinerama \ yet it wants libxinerama-dev also |
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| 07:34.21 | valdyn | Vorg: WHAT is IT, that "it is calling for ..." ? |
| 07:34.38 | valdyn | Vorg: are you trying to fix build depends with configure switches? |
| 07:34.40 | Vorg | it has a long list of unmet dep |
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| 07:34.52 | valdyn | Vorg: again IT, without me knowing what IT is |
| 07:35.46 | Vorg | trying to build xine-vdpau |
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| 07:36.34 | valdyn | Vorg: when i run command foo, i get bar |
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| 07:36.51 | valdyn | Vorg: try following that pattern, i cant know what you mean, my 8-ball is out of service |
| 07:37.31 | freebeer | simonrvn: Fixed resolv.conf by replacing with link to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf. Works. Thx. |
| 07:37.58 | Vorg | the package is xine-vdpau. It has a debain/rules file |
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| 07:38.18 | valdyn | Vorg: thats repeating, no need |
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| 07:39.05 | Vorg | Stuff is disabled in that rule file yet it fails to build the package because of "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies:" |
| 07:39.23 | valdyn | Vorg: ok, see above 09:34 < valdyn> Vorg: are you trying to fix build depends with configure switches? |
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| 07:39.30 | Vorg | some of what it seems to want is stuff tha tshould be disabled |
| 07:39.33 | dustybin | I need a simple firewall for my VPS, here is a list: http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls It needs to be terminal only, not too complicated, but effective, anybody have any ideas? |
| 07:39.38 | valdyn | Vorg: configure switches do not define build-depends |
| 07:39.50 | Vorg | ok, that is what I was trying to find out |
| 07:40.09 | valdyn | Vorg: the build depends are in the control file or generated from the control.in file |
| 07:40.13 | Vorg | is there a way to make build-depends follow the switches? |
| 07:40.20 | valdyn | Vorg: no there isnt |
| 07:40.36 | valdyn | Vorg: that would need an AI |
| 07:40.50 | Vorg | so even though I dissable stuff I don't need I still have to install all that extra crap? |
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| 07:41.10 | valdyn | 09:40 < valdyn> Vorg: the build depends are in the control file or generated from the control.in file |
| 07:41.13 | Vorg | seems simple to me, dissable xvmc, remove dep xvmc |
| 07:41.49 | Vorg | so is that set by the autogen.sh? |
| 07:41.51 | valdyn | Vorg: yea, and debian can know that xvmc really means libxvmc-dev or that gtk+ really means libgtk2.0-dev |
| 07:42.14 | valdyn | Vorg: and it will read the readme for the versioned depends ;) |
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| 07:45.39 | dustybin | fireHOL sounds interesting |
| 07:47.01 | dustybin | i have boiled things down to arno-iptables-firewall, firehol and uruk |
| 07:47.45 | dustybin | or raw iptables :D |
| 07:48.06 | valdyn | uruk is quite raw |
| 07:48.12 | valdyn | or so sais the description |
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| 07:48.40 | valdyn | and you get to actually read the shell script |
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| 07:51.35 | dustybin | aye that sounds good |
| 07:51.52 | dustybin | is there a such thing as firewall DoS protection? |
| 07:52.40 | valdyn | dustybin: that would need an AI too ;) |
| 07:52.45 | valdyn | dustybin: dos is very generic |
| 07:52.52 | valdyn | or vague |
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| 07:53.46 | dustybin | ok |
| 07:53.52 | Assid | how do i reset the certificate of my ejabberd server |
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| 07:55.17 | myeggo | good morning |
| 07:56.22 | myeggo | after kernel upgraded, i have no correct language, export lang is correct, i tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and console-data and locale-gen, xorg.conf is the same as before and it works with old kernel |
| 07:56.43 | Assid | is the openvz issue for debian kernel fixed ? |
| 07:56.44 | valdyn | myeggo: why would this be related to your kernel at all? |
| 07:56.49 | dustybin | server down |
| 07:56.50 | dustybin | Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.uk.debian.org' |
| 07:57.09 | Assid | i wasnt able to set cpu based limits before |
| 07:57.12 | myeggo | probably nothing valdyn, but it happened when i only start session with this new kernel |
| 07:57.31 | myeggo | is an information that i dont if it is relevant, so i say it |
| 07:57.37 | myeggo | i dont know} |
| 07:57.41 | myeggo | i dont know* |
| 07:57.54 | valdyn | myeggo: its not related to your xorg.conf nor kernel |
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| 07:58.10 | zl2tod | dustybin, works from here, very slow though |
| 07:58.17 | myeggo | where is the problem then? |
| 07:58.27 | valdyn | myeggo: run the command "locale", see if variables are set correctly |
| 07:58.51 | myeggo | except LC_ALL that is empty, everyelse are ok |
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| 07:59.03 | valdyn | myeggo: thats fine then |
| 07:59.24 | valdyn | myeggo: running "df" or somesuch in that same terminal gives proper localised output? |
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| 08:00.11 | myeggo | exactly df has no special symbols for my language, but typing apt or similir, i see proper language |
| 08:00.32 | myeggo | oh should be keyboard layout? |
| 08:00.46 | valdyn | myeggo: no, keyboard layout is irrelevant right now |
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| 08:01.08 | myeggo | ah,i fail all tests |
| 08:01.12 | valdyn | myeggo: so your shell has no locale issues, what does have locale issues then? |
| 08:01.24 | valdyn | myeggo: how are you logging into or starting X ? |
| 08:01.34 | myeggo | i go type this: * but not using numeric keyboard |
| 08:01.35 | myeggo | ] |
| 08:01.56 | myeggo | and i go type a spanish letter ;;;; |
| 08:02.06 | myeggo | my keyboard is english |
| 08:02.17 | valdyn | myeggo: so locales are ok, just keyboard is wrong? |
| 08:02.23 | myeggo | seems so |
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| 08:02.53 | myeggo | but in gnome panel i have correct language |
| 08:03.00 | valdyn | !keymap |
| 08:03.01 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 08:03.17 | valdyn | myeggo: how did you start X ? |
| 08:03.45 | myeggo | typing startx as non-root user because i required install nvidia again |
| 08:03.51 | myeggo | could be that? |
| 08:04.10 | valdyn | myeggo: yes, it could be just that, and that your keymap is ok again once you use gdm again |
| 08:04.28 | myeggo | oh |
| 08:04.40 | myeggo | i go restart - thank you in advance, i feel it will work |
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| 08:07.30 | myeggo | yes :) |
| 08:07.34 | myeggo | thankyou again |
| 08:07.47 | jetscreamer | something is still goofy though |
| 08:07.59 | jetscreamer | shouldn't it work the same eithe way? |
| 08:08.23 | valdyn | jetscreamer: not really |
| 08:08.26 | jerlique | Trying to install a digium b410p, but having compile issues. Anyone managed to get zaptel/misdn installed on 2.6.26 (lenny)? |
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| 08:26.45 | regecks | hi, my modprobe.conf got corrupted in lenny, is there any way to recreate it? |
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| 08:31.40 | Worf | i'm going to set up some i7 with 6GB Ram with Debian for 3D development stuff (nvidia 285 cards). Existing development was on 32bit debian, but now i could go for 64bit. however, for the transition i have to provide a setup that can also run the existing builds. so i'm thinking about what options i have ( 64bit kernel, 32bit userland | 32bit bigmem kernel | ... ) and what the pro's and con's are. any ideas/recommendations? |
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| 08:33.21 | Worf | regecks: you can "dpkg -S <filename>" to find out what package it's from, and then ... uh ... maybe reinstall that package? |
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| 08:36.41 | valdyn | regecks: which modprobe.conf? you dont need one at all.. |
| 08:37.27 | regecks | well, my alsa/sound has randomly broken and cannot find any soundcards. when i boot there is an error regarding modprobe.conf/modprobe.d and the snd-hda-intel erroring out |
| 08:37.32 | regecks | i was investigating whether they were related |
| 08:37.46 | valdyn | regecks: read the actual error message for starters |
| 08:38.03 | regecks | Warning! /etc/modprobe.conf exists but does not include /etc/modprobe.d/!" -- it is not overly useful |
| 08:38.18 | martian67 | Worf, well 64bit has double the registers |
| 08:38.18 | valdyn | regecks: remove /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 08:38.25 | valdyn | regecks: or move it away |
| 08:38.34 | valdyn | regecks: you dont need it at all |
| 08:38.35 | martian67 | so anything branch intensive benifits fairly well |
| 08:38.49 | martian67 | also with 32bit bigmem, no process can use over 4gb of memory |
| 08:39.05 | martian67 | unless its specificly programmed to be able to do so (rare) |
| 08:39.10 | valdyn | i think thats really 2G per process |
| 08:39.26 | martian67 | valdyn, it can be tweaked, but its 2gb by default |
| 08:39.29 | martian67 | you are correct |
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| 08:39.58 | martian67 | the cons of 64bit, is memory usage will be higher |
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| 08:40.19 | valdyn | i wonder if that matters if the application is graphics |
| 08:40.31 | martian67 | also even with a 64bit kernel, the 2gb thing still applies with 32 bit binaries |
| 08:40.36 | valdyn | ( or for him ) |
| 08:41.06 | Worf | well, the point isn't fine tuning for best memory usage / performance / whatever, the point is to have a system for a couple of developers that is maintainable and everything |
| 08:41.21 | valdyn | Worf: the more higher the data / code ratio in your workload is, the less the fact that 64-bit code uses more memory matters |
| 08:41.30 | martian67 | well imo there is no issues with maintainabillity on 64bit vs 32bit |
| 08:41.36 | Worf | you can imagine: there is now a box which basically is a mess. (32bit debian) |
| 08:41.47 | valdyn | Worf: 64-bit system, 32-bit stuff can still be gotten to run |
| 08:42.25 | valdyn | Worf: i dont think you want to migrate soon again, that is why id say you go all 64-bit |
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| 08:42.44 | Worf | valdyn: yep, but i still need 32bit libs at least. and here is the point where i lack information how to do it right |
| 08:42.49 | martian67 | yea 64bit and have 32bit compat libraries installed |
| 08:42.54 | valdyn | Worf: most are packaged in debian |
| 08:43.00 | jintxo | how about going "all 64" on the new machine and maintaining the old one around for running the 32 bit stuff? |
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| 08:43.11 | martian67 | Worf, search amd64 for packages starting with "ia32" |
| 08:43.15 | valdyn | Worf: the worst case scenario is you installing a 32-bit chroot, thats not hard either, but some work |
| 08:43.27 | martian67 | valdyn, thats rarely needed |
| 08:43.40 | jintxo | kiss |
| 08:43.45 | valdyn | martian67: i think he needs to know worst case though |
| 08:43.48 | Worf | hmm... that's actually propably a good idea in my case |
| 08:44.05 | Worf | valdyn: yep |
| 08:44.19 | valdyn | Worf: this means you can, if you want, just clone your current 32-bit install and make that be a chroot |
| 08:44.39 | Worf | aye |
| 08:44.54 | Worf | keeping old machines isn't a option either, it's a 9-PC Cluster controlling a bunch of beamers in a virtual 3D environment :) |
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| 08:45.23 | NoReGreT | how can I add the bridge to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 08:45.41 | Worf | but having old system in chroot for worst case, a similar 32bit environment for almost worst case, and 32bit libs for "better case" sounds good |
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| 08:46.13 | valdyn | Worf: theres scripts and tools to run chrooted apps like normal apps |
| 08:46.14 | martian67 | better being |
| 08:46.18 | martian67 | almost always :) |
| 08:46.32 | valdyn | Worf: so this could be transparent for users with not much effort |
| 08:47.01 | martian67 | the only time you really NEED a 32bit chroot is when library paths are hard-coded into closed source binaries |
| 08:47.06 | Worf | hmm ... let me guess - inside chroot nvidia-glx must match outside chroot nvidia-kernel-module? |
| 08:47.08 | valdyn | Worf: see apt-cache show dchroot |
| 08:47.23 | valdyn | Worf: yes |
| 08:47.28 | martian67 | but you can often do LD_PRELOAD tricks even then |
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| 08:48.25 | factor | does anyone itms on icewes yet? |
| 08:48.31 | valdyn | Worf: the pro of a chroot isnt that you need it really, as martian67 is pointing out. But its to maintain than a bunch of libraries that are not packaged for amd64 in their 32-bit versions |
| 08:48.36 | factor | I have the perl module for it |
| 08:48.50 | factor | I would like to get itunes working in icewes |
| 08:49.02 | valdyn | Worf: s/maintain/easier to maintain/ |
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| 08:49.09 | martian67 | valdyn, most imporant ones are |
| 08:49.13 | martian67 | including X11 ones |
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| 08:49.23 | martian67 | like gtk and QT |
| 08:49.32 | valdyn | yea, most |
| 08:49.34 | Worf | yeah - i can imagine |
| 08:49.37 | martian67 | and closed source binaries |
| 08:49.42 | martian67 | often have few dependancies |
| 08:49.59 | martian67 | just the basics, gtk, QT, glibc |
| 08:50.04 | martian67 | all which have 32bit equivs |
| 08:50.23 | valdyn | question is if your own code is 64-bit clean, i guess |
| 08:50.31 | xingu | hasn't touched his 32bit userland in over six months |
| 08:50.58 | xingu | then again my workload is admittedly miles away from "normal" |
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| 08:51.09 | Worf | well, in my case there is no "GUI" at all. but i have to analyze the existing install and talk to the devs the next days |
| 08:51.32 | martian67 | dont forget nvidia has 64bit support too ;) |
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| 08:52.54 | xingu | Worf: nb I've actually run stuff with -glx vs kernel module mismatch; the tight binding is between the blob that the x display server needs to upload to the card and the kernel rev. |
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| 08:53.26 | Worf | xingu: interesting |
| 08:53.39 | xingu | Worf: certainly _indirect_ glx is happy as a pig in poo regardless (it's designed to run over both shm and ip transports) |
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| 08:56.01 | Worf | hmm ... i could maybe configure ssh to automatically chroot some users into the 32bit chroot ... <grin> |
| 08:56.33 | xingu | the only remaining thing I have in my 32bit chroot is google earth, and that's just become a lot less interesting since I got my crackberry ;) |
| 08:56.50 | xingu | Worf: I manage that with schroot |
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| 08:59.12 | grandemahatma | hallo |
| 08:59.32 | Worf | at least i have enough information to counter my "let's use all 32bit, because we know that works"-boss :) |
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| 09:00.49 | grandemahatma | I'm trying to run whaaw but it complains with the following:dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session.. I have dbus-daemon running but I do not have the program "dbus-aunch"... |
| 09:01.10 | martian67 | Worf, as always test test test |
| 09:01.14 | martian67 | then test some more :) |
| 09:01.33 | xingu | Worf: actually there's a pretty reasonable argument for building your release-controlled environments as vmware server 2.0 virtual machines. |
| 09:02.26 | xingu | Worf: so run amd64 and jail your non-free i386-only into a app-specific vm. |
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| 09:02.38 | martian67 | why do you need to VM it |
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| 09:02.50 | martian67 | chroot works perfectly fine |
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| 09:02.54 | xingu | martian67: makes the lifecycle maintenance bit a little simpler |
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| 09:03.14 | martian67 | xingu, chroot into 32 bit |
| 09:03.18 | martian67 | run apt-get update |
| 09:03.22 | martian67 | not so hard |
| 09:03.22 | martian67 | :P |
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| 09:04.16 | xingu | martian67: rollback, cloning, migration? |
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| 09:04.20 | grandemahatma | I'm trying to run whaaw but it complains with the following:dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session.. I have dbus-daemon running but I do not have the program "dbus-aunch"... |
| 09:04.34 | grandemahatma | I'm trying to run whaaw but it complains with the following:dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session.. I have dbus-daemon running but I do not have the program "dbus-launch"... |
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| 09:04.59 | Worf | xingu: i think a virtual machine isn't the best choice for a 3D development we actually bought 9 GForce GTX 285 for :) |
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| 09:05.05 | martian67 | xingu, all are trivial with appropriate tools |
| 09:05.07 | martian67 | yes |
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| 09:05.14 | xingu | Worf: true. |
| 09:05.17 | martian67 | plus this large preformance hit you take |
| 09:05.35 | grandemahatma | anybody? |
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| 09:05.53 | xingu | martian67: you're arguing with the wrong guy, I'm doing *both* and have been for a while now. :) |
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| 09:06.02 | martian67 | hehe |
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| 09:06.24 | martian67 | VMs are over used imo |
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| 09:06.33 | martian67 | or at least used where they arnt appropriate at all |
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| 09:07.03 | xingu | martian67: I find it easier to isolate along functional lines; and to me, a non-free i386-only legacy jail is a function |
| 09:07.36 | xingu | martian67: reason being the container including os image gives you a giant get-out-of-jail free; you literally build and configure a world ideal to the role. |
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| 09:07.58 | martian67 | just like OO makes everything easier ;) |
| 09:08.04 | xingu | martian67: the hw independence and things like migration is just a nice little gimme on top |
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| 09:10.03 | Worf | xingu is true, but with the ease of setting up a VM, people tend to use it too much. at least i noticed that at my work. "we need a server for <trivial app>" "ok, i'll set up another VM" |
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| 09:10.48 | Worf | we recently got our new VM solution, and the number of VMs exploded |
| 09:10.53 | osfd | Hi, I'd like to have a complete listing of All my partitions and fdisk -l misses some |
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| 09:11.45 | Worf | osfd: "some"? |
| 09:11.45 | xingu | Worf: :) it's roughly equivalent to uncorking the budgetary limits on hw capex :) |
| 09:12.04 | osfd | Worf: at least one |
| 09:12.36 | xingu | Worf: amusingly enough the actual problem is that you've destroyed your internal market price signals; you need to start making people raise purchase orders when they create vm's... |
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| 09:13.32 | NoReGreT | yeah |
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| 09:17.18 | osfd | yes, I definitely miss One partition |
| 09:17.18 | NoReGreT | how can I add the bridge to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 09:17.27 | osfd | I don't understand |
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| 09:19.41 | hoxu | NoReGreT, install bridge-utils; man bridge-utils-interfaces |
| 09:19.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | smegging hell Debian, just work already. |
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| 09:25.32 | NoReGreT | hoxu: then I already configured mine correctly, (iface br0 inet dhcp, bridge_ports eth0 eth1) and yet it isn't working |
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| 09:26.26 | lancelot | hallo everybody, is there any eeepc dedicated debian channel? |
| 09:26.48 | xingu | NoReGreT: just out of interest are either eth0 or eth1 wlan? |
| 09:27.02 | maligor | heh, my volume applet in gnome on debian sid is behaving strangely, if I move the cursor ontop of it, it closes |
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| 09:27.22 | xingu | hovering cursor of doom! |
| 09:27.23 | maligor | like inverse of what it should do |
| 09:27.23 | hoxu | !tell lancelot about eeepc |
| 09:27.41 | liable | lancelot: yep, #debian-eeepc on oftc |
| 09:28.25 | lancelot | hoxu, liable thanks, but how to open an oftc box in xchat? |
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| 09:28.50 | liable | lancelot: dunno, look for something to connect to another network |
| 09:28.55 | lancelot | solved |
| 09:28.58 | lancelot | thanks a lot |
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| 09:29.01 | lancelot | bye |
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| 09:30.29 | NoReGreT | xingu: nope |
| 09:30.44 | hoxu | maligor, well, gnome can't be much worse than KDE 4.2... |
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| 09:31.10 | xingu | NoReGreT: is the br0 device getting created? |
| 09:31.33 | hoxu | NoReGreT, pastebin /etc/network/interfaces, "ifconfig", "brctl show", and describe what you mean with "not working" |
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| 09:32.03 | maligor | hoxu, heh, I quite like kde 4.2 |
| 09:32.12 | maligor | atleast more than 3.x |
| 09:32.27 | Suppermann | Can you recommend any games for debian? |
| 09:32.53 | valdyn | !start a game war |
| 09:32.53 | dpkg | half life sucks rocks! |
| 09:33.06 | hoxu | maligor, I'm going to start using KDE 4.2 as prime example of free software projects being capable of bullshit marketing -_- |
| 09:33.58 | maligor | hoxu, I guess you liked kde 3, heh |
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| 09:36.32 | Sagaci | I like the look of KDE but prefer the feel of GNOME |
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| 09:38.02 | mosno | hoxu: "breathe!" |
| 09:38.14 | CompWizrd | no love for icewm? |
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| 09:43.28 | factor | does any one use mono |
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| 09:43.46 | factor | I am trying to compile some mono stuff and it gives me and error cant find .dll etc.. |
| 09:43.52 | factor | dll that is windows crap |
| 09:44.02 | factor | can I apt get dll for mono |
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| 09:44.53 | valdyn | factor: mono libraries are .dll files on linux too |
| 09:45.04 | valdyn | !tell factor -about search |
| 09:45.27 | factor | so look for mono modules |
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| 09:48.26 | raz0 | Suppermann, neverball/putt |
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| 09:48.37 | factor | ahh it works now |
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| 09:49.13 | Suppermann | raz0, ok, I will have a look at it now :) |
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| 09:56.51 | NoReGreT | hoxu: I rebooted and the br0 was there, maybe coz i added "auto br0" which wasn't there, anyway the problem now is that eth1 is using dhcp, how can i prevent it ? (i got now br0 and eth1 with ip addresses) http://pastebin.com/m7bdddf5b |
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| 09:57.12 | hareldvd | Samba server fails to run at boot. sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart is fine. nothing I could find in the log file. Any idea? |
| 09:57.34 | chouchou | helo, pls how do I test an internet connection on debian? I just setup debian with colinux |
| 09:57.48 | chouchou | anyone know howto use colinux anyway? |
| 09:58.13 | Guerin | !anyone use colinux? |
| 09:58.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses colinux, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:58.51 | chouchou | !anyone use debian? |
| 09:58.51 | dpkg | No, no one uses debian, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:59.01 | chouchou | :) |
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| 09:59.07 | Guerin | monkey see, monkey do! |
| 09:59.08 | chouchou | this si not properly set |
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| 09:59.30 | chouchou | ok. how do I test the internet connection? |
| 09:59.31 | ringo999 | hi I'm using debian lenny on a macbook, everything pretty much works, except for the microphone. I once had debian installed before and had the mic working, but I forgot how to set it up... |
| 09:59.52 | alex12 | ringo999: asamixer? |
| 09:59.55 | alex12 | alsa* |
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| 10:00.28 | chouchou | any answer? |
| 10:00.38 | alex12 | chouchou: ping google.com .... |
| 10:00.49 | jintxo | chouchou, I dunno, I just ping things and see of they answer |
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| 10:00.56 | hellues | hey |
| 10:01.03 | chouchou | ah, i typed it and it is not responding |
| 10:01.10 | alex12 | then its not working |
| 10:01.12 | ringo999 | alex12: yep, i see the mic there and i can change the colume. however, testing it for example in audacity it doesnt work. also, when using xfce4-mixer, the capture volume drops down back to zero if i try to set it, indicating something is wrong |
| 10:01.14 | hellues | i try to convert my ext3 home psttition to ext4 |
| 10:01.26 | alex12 | ringo999: drivers etc maybe |
| 10:01.36 | chouchou | what is the equivalent command for ipconfig ? |
| 10:01.42 | hellues | i took error thst sda1 couldnt mount because unsopported feature (40) |
| 10:01.47 | hellues | how can i fix thst |
| 10:02.26 | chouchou | ??? |
| 10:02.43 | maligor | hellues, you mean unsupported filesystem? |
| 10:03.01 | NoReGreT | chouchou: ifconfig |
| 10:03.02 | alex12 | chouchou: go read up on some basic linux guides, clearly you need to |
| 10:03.15 | jintxo | chouchou, you can see the interface status with ifconfig. your questions are way too basic for anybody to take any interest in them, maybe you need to read upa bit on some of the "basics" |
| 10:03.17 | alex12 | chouchou: we try and not to spoonfeed here |
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| 10:05.02 | Suppermann | How do I format my usb stick? |
| 10:05.22 | boghog | is "sysv-rc-conf" the best tool to use if I want to enable/diable services that automatically start at boot? |
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| 10:05.27 | cahoot | fdisk + mkfs:* |
| 10:05.37 | Suppermann | i dont have fdisk |
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| 10:05.57 | cahoot | sure? |
| 10:06.01 | grand_grunt | Suppermann: fdisk as root. |
| 10:06.14 | Suppermann | ah |
| 10:06.15 | jintxo | boghog, there is a tool called update-rc.d for that too. |
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| 10:06.28 | Suppermann | it was because i wasnt root. Thanks grand_grunt :) |
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| 10:06.34 | boghog | jintxo, ah okay, thanks |
| 10:07.39 | alex12 | im trying to set me locales to "UTF-8" , hoever inside dpkg-reconfigure locales, there is only <country code>.UTF-8 ...... im currently using en.utf-8 .. would this be acceptable for simple old "UTF-8"? how does one just set "UTF-8" as there locale? |
| 10:08.24 | chfwiggum | hi! audio cds are not recognized. udf and iso9660 in fstab work fine. are audio cds a different type? any ideas? tia |
| 10:08.46 | cahoot | chfwiggum: just play them don't try mount them |
| 10:08.51 | boghog | alex12, dunno if it matters but I am using en_US.utf8 |
| 10:09.20 | boghog | i suppose you should use en_GB.utf8 |
| 10:09.25 | alex12 | yeah..... i am.. |
| 10:09.31 | alex12 | but im wanting simple old UTF-8 |
| 10:09.35 | alex12 | hrm |
| 10:09.46 | chfwiggum | cahoot: lol. im deeply ashamed :) thx a bunch |
| 10:09.52 | boghog | ah, sorry I'm a bit of a noob in these things |
| 10:10.33 | cahoot | alex12: well you don't want to be spoofed anyway ;) |
| 10:10.39 | cahoot | err spoonfed |
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| 10:11.08 | jintxo | alex12, are you sure it would make sense to use "plain" utf8 as your locale? I would say the "en_GB" part is for messages to be displayed in the correct language and you are using "plain" utf8 encoding to display them. |
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| 10:13.12 | NoReGreT | what can I add to the main panel for language selection ? i used to do it but i forgot |
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| 10:16.01 | NoReGreT | oh yeah, it's the "Keyboard indicator", but what i can't see other than USA ? |
| 10:16.09 | NoReGreT | s/what/why/ |
| 10:16.31 | cahoot | NoReGreT: using gnome/kde or no DE? |
| 10:17.16 | alex12 | jintxo: thanks for explaining that |
| 10:17.23 | NoReGreT | cahoot: Gnome |
| 10:17.26 | Suppermann | I have a problem now; I have formatted my usb drive to ext3, but now it's being owned by root. What can I do now? |
| 10:17.33 | NoReGreT | cahoot: and I got 3 locales |
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| 10:18.10 | Suppermann | nevermind, i figured it out |
| 10:18.42 | cahoot | NoReGreT: no option to add more in the keyboard menu? |
| 10:19.20 | NoReGreT | ah yeah, sorry, I didn't notice it |
| 10:19.26 | cahoot | NoReGreT: i e system-prefs-keyboard |
| 10:19.46 | NoReGreT | good |
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| 10:22.25 | NoReGreT | cahoot: is there something to be done to iceweasel too ? since I can't see japanese text, it's weird blocks |
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| 10:23.36 | cahoot | NoReGreT: japanese is greek to me |
| 10:24.05 | NoReGreT | well, it's chinese for me... :) |
| 10:24.11 | jintxo | NoReGreT, maybe you just need some fonts intalled? (I wouldn't know which ones though) |
| 10:24.19 | NoReGreT | I see |
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| 10:24.25 | hareldvd | init doesn't have inittab file to initialize??? |
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| 10:25.28 | jintxo | hareldvd, I have /etc/inittab (using lenny). it's the first file I edit after installing a sytem :-) |
| 10:25.40 | zodiak | Hi |
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| 10:26.00 | starbuck33 | hi, is there an easy way to save the actual packege-list and use it to install the exact same packeges on another system? |
| 10:26.14 | starbuck33 | sorry, package |
| 10:26.23 | jintxo | starbuck33, dpkg --get-selections "*" > my.list.of.packages |
| 10:27.00 | hareldvd | jintxo, I am actually on Ubuntu, no /etc/inittab. should there be a difference? |
| 10:27.09 | jintxo | and then use that file on another system but the command youd be dpkg --set-selections < my.list.of.packages and then run dselect to actually install them |
| 10:27.30 | hoxu | hareldvd, ubuntu is NOT supported here |
| 10:27.36 | jintxo | hareldvd, I think you should ask #ubuntu. there probably is a difference I think they use some .d style configuration |
| 10:27.43 | starbuck33 | ok, thx jintxo |
| 10:27.58 | hareldvd | #ubuntu is lame. I need pros. |
| 10:28.06 | cahoot | haha |
| 10:28.13 | jintxo | hareldvd, yeah well he pros can only answer questions about what they know |
| 10:28.19 | jintxo | s/he/the |
| 10:28.40 | hoxu | starbuck33, /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 10:28.43 | zodiak | Let's say i have 1600 numerated files (1 -> 1600). I wan't to change it to 4 char random names. Is it possible with sh? |
| 10:28.59 | cahoot | hareldvd: fwiw ubuntu uses another init method |
| 10:29.00 | hoxu | zodiak, yes |
| 10:29.21 | starbuck33 | hoxu, pardon, i don't get what u mean |
| 10:29.25 | zodiak | hoxu, how ? :-) |
| 10:29.28 | hareldvd | cahoot, interesting. and I couldn't find the doc. |
| 10:29.28 | cahoot | hareldvd: forgot the name |
| 10:29.43 | cahoot | hareldvd: and it's presently OT |
| 10:29.57 | jintxo | starbuck33, what hoxu ponited out is probably more accurate. I have always done it the way I said but there's usually more than 1 way to skin a cat :-) |
| 10:29.58 | hareldvd | OT?? |
| 10:29.58 | hoxu | !absg zodiak |
| 10:29.58 | dpkg | zodiak: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'aptitude install abs-guide'. |
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| 10:30.07 | cahoot | hareldvd: off topic |
| 10:30.07 | hoxu | zodiak, you might want to ask the folks on #bash |
| 10:30.25 | zodiak | ok, thanks for help guys :* |
| 10:30.31 | hareldvd | cahoot, Yep. I'll zip it. Sorry. |
| 10:31.46 | cahoot | hareldvd: upstart according to google |
| 10:32.24 | jintxo | starbuck33, he meant that you can type "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" in your IRC client to get a "faq" style answer from the bot |
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| 10:33.17 | hareldvd | cahoot, Most interesting. Thanks. |
| 10:34.30 | starbuck33 | jintxo, hoxu, yes, i just tried it... thank both of you |
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| 10:36.04 | jintxo | I use postfix-policyd-spf-perl to check SPF records of incoming mails. sometimes some mis-configured domains result in "DEFER_IF_PERMIT" policy actions and I refuse the mail because of DNS timeouts. do you know a way to allow these after a cetain amount of SPF lookup timouts or similar? it doesn't happen ver often, but I know these are leginitimate, even though mis-configuired domains. |
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| 10:36.30 | hellues | ext4 error |
| 10:36.50 | hellues | sda1 couldnt mount |
| 10:36.58 | suma1 | anyone know how to create debian package? |
| 10:37.00 | hellues | because of unsupped features (40) |
| 10:37.12 | hellues | i am using debian hot can i fix it, |
| 10:37.24 | hellues | system dropped me to busytbocx |
| 10:37.27 | hellues | busybox |
| 10:37.40 | hoxu | !tell suma1 about nmg |
| 10:38.12 | cahoot | hellues: debian kernel doesn't support ext4 fully yet? |
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| 10:38.26 | hellues | cahoot |
| 10:38.32 | hellues | i guess my kernel 2.6.26 |
| 10:38.36 | cahoot | hellues: or just missing userspace tools? |
| 10:38.43 | suma1 | hoxu: what? |
| 10:38.54 | hellues | cahoot i use e2fsck |
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| 10:39.19 | hellues | i mount sda2 as ext4 |
| 10:39.26 | hellues | but it gives error on sda1 |
| 10:39.30 | jelly-home | hellues: you'll want at least 2.6.28 for ext4. lenny's e2fsprogs should be fresh enough |
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| 10:39.44 | cahoot | hellues: I'd say - if you choose to live on the edge you probably must do some reading up |
| 10:40.17 | hellues | i google it migrate ext3 to ext4 debian |
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| 10:40.23 | hellues | and i read first result |
| 10:40.31 | hellues | there are two steps |
| 10:40.48 | jelly-home | !tutorials |
| 10:40.49 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
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| 10:53.15 | seezer | hi there |
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| 10:53.28 | seezer | is it expected behaviour if i set the Default-Release to "stable" in apt.conf that apt(itude)? would update stable packages to testing but not to experimental? |
| 10:53.44 | seezer | debian lenny that is, and should stay that way for everything other than what i explicitly install with -t release |
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| 10:55.13 | seezer | i have no preference file at all |
| 10:55.16 | starbuck33 | what's the difference between debian-501-amd64-CD-1.iso and debian-update-5.0.1-amd64-CD-1.iso ?? |
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| 10:56.45 | jelly-home | starbuck33: the -update- one is not an installer image, but only carries the packages changed since 5.0.0 |
| 10:57.22 | starbuck33 | ok, i see |
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| 11:08.24 | hellues | hey |
| 11:08.27 | hellues | someone there |
| 11:08.44 | abrotman | lots of people .. you should know that |
| 11:08.48 | hellues | is it possible to pass ext4 perfectly in debian squeezer |
| 11:08.56 | abrotman | to pass? |
| 11:09.02 | hellues | i mean |
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| 11:09.19 | hellues | i wrote migrate ext to ext4 |
| 11:09.29 | hellues | i read first result and apply to my home folder |
| 11:09.42 | hellues | system dropped me to easy box |
| 11:10.07 | hellues | the misateke is sda1 couldnt mount because of unsupported feature (40) |
| 11:10.22 | hellues | and i wonna know howm to fix this error |
| 11:10.33 | hellues | because i have /dev/sda1 |
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| 11:12.41 | hellues | google gave two results about this erorr |
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| 11:15.44 | hellues | any suggestion |
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| 11:33.41 | hellues | i guess i have to reinstall debian right ? |
| 11:33.50 | hellues | because one one answer me |
| 11:34.00 | hellues | ext4 is problematic on debian |
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| 11:34.56 | abrotman | or you did it wrong |
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| 11:37.03 | hellues | abrotman |
| 11:37.14 | hellues | i read this http://mediakey.dk/~cc/migrate-existing-ext3-filesystems-to-ext4/ |
| 11:37.26 | hellues | and apply steo in the page for my home folder |
| 11:37.37 | hellues | buy my root folder gave a mistake |
| 11:38.09 | megaTherion | anyone knows what I need to instll so totem can play dvb? |
| 11:38.09 | hellues | like unsoppurted optional feature (40) system couldnt mount /dev/sda1 |
| 11:38.15 | hellues | i drop in to busy box |
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| 11:38.43 | liable | whilst ext4 is now in stable kernels, i certainly wouldnt be using it except for on a box that i dont mind losing all my shit on. |
| 11:39.15 | abrotman | high-fives liable |
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| 11:42.18 | hellues | i do mount /dev/sda1 /root/ it said sda1 couldnt mount because of unspoorted optional feature (40) . mount : mounting /dev/sda1 on /root/ failed.Invalid argument |
| 11:42.50 | jonlin | Hey, connecting one of my Debian boxes to a PAL TV (via a VGA->Scart adaptor, which I know are infamously useless, but...) I can't find a 50Hz 720x576 PAL mode for /etc/fb.modes which works. Has anyone managed to do this and have a working mode? (I've tried the PAL examples in /usr/share/doc) |
| 11:44.05 | jelly-home | jonlin: which fb driver are you using? |
| 11:44.33 | pixelmonkey | I had some root FS corruption. Is there a way to use apt to do a consistency check, that is, for all packages that are installed, ensure the correct files are installed in the root FS as well? |
| 11:46.00 | jonlin | jelly-home: not sure, how can I find out? (Thanks) |
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| 11:47.34 | jelly-home | jonlin: lsmod|grep fb, or /var/log/kern.log or dmesg output |
| 11:48.04 | jelly-home | jonlin: vesafb cannot change modes on the fly. You might be more lucky with X than the framebuffer |
| 11:50.01 | jonlin | jelly-home: meh, gave up on X tbqh... |
| 11:50.23 | jonlin | jelly-home: judging by dmesg|grep fb, I'm using aty128fb |
| 11:50.26 | jelly-home | X drivers are usually far better than typical fb ones |
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| 11:52.06 | hanibana | hi all |
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| 11:52.59 | abrotman | pixelmonkey: debsums |
| 11:54.11 | hanibana | have anyone experience with installing Debian Sarge (with 2.4 kernel) on HP DL 380 G5 (with SAS hard drives) servers? |
| 11:54.30 | jelly-home | hanibana: 2.4 kernel, why? |
| 11:54.36 | liable | hanibana: why on earthe are you installing sarge? |
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| 11:55.32 | hanibana | It's about an expensive hardware that only works on 2.4 kernel... |
| 11:55.32 | jelly-home | hanibana: we're running lenny or etch w/ custom kernel on DL360G5 (which are pretty much the same, just 1U) |
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| 11:56.12 | jelly-home | hanibana: you're going to have to massage the 2.4 cciss drivers into working with relatively fresh hardware |
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| 11:56.44 | jelly-home | I'd start with latest 2.4 kernel possible. |
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| 11:58.20 | hanibana | exactly, my main problem is SAS disks, that the sarge installer can NOT detect them, even with its 2.6.8 kernel :( |
| 11:58.26 | jelly-home | perhaps contact HP and see if they've done something similar already |
| 11:59.14 | jelly-home | hanibana: you don't have to use sarge installer, but can install any linux (say, lenny), and debootstrap a sarge system |
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| 12:00.24 | hanibana | jelly-home: interesting! I have not done that before this... |
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| 12:00.37 | jonlin | jelly-home: setting the 'laced' option in the fb.modes file to true gives this error when I try to set it: 'ioctl FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO: Invalid argument' |
| 12:00.53 | jonlin | could be something to do with that, methinks... |
| 12:01.06 | abrotman | hanibana: is this older hardware? |
| 12:01.19 | jelly-home | jonlin: see my previous comment about fb drivers often being inadequate |
| 12:01.31 | jelly-home | jonlin: can't help you much there, I'm afraid |
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| 12:01.41 | jonlin | jelly-home: Thanks anyway ^^ |
| 12:01.42 | hanibana | abrotman: older than what? it's old, yes. |
| 12:02.26 | abrotman | hanibana: just that HP now claims to "support debian" or some such thing .. that's why i was surprised you're mucking with a version of debian long unsupported |
| 12:02.47 | jelly-home | they just want a 2.4 system |
| 12:03.35 | jelly-home | DL380G5 itself works well with etch-lenny |
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| 12:04.31 | jelly-home | (etch with a new enough kernel to support newer cciss controllers) |
| 12:04.34 | RUMMY | I have tar.gz file but when I execute tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz got error that: tar: This does not look like a tar archive |
| 12:04.43 | enouf | jelly-home: doesn't fbset (and possibly now uvesafb) allow for changing vesafb on the fly? |
| 12:05.01 | enouf | RUMMY: run file on it |
| 12:06.30 | jelly-home | enouf: fbset is just userspace, tells the driver what to do, and it's up to the driver to implement mode changing or not |
| 12:06.30 | RUMMY | what? |
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| 12:06.31 | enouf | jelly-home: IINM, uvesafb is also just userspace |
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| 12:06.32 | jelly-home | enouf: uvesafb is special. |
| 12:06.32 | abrotman | RUMMY: file foo.tar.gz .. what does it say? |
| 12:07.06 | enouf | needs to brush up on his fb docs ... again .. sigh |
| 12:07.12 | jelly-home | enouf: they're using aty128fb anyway, which is supposed to have at least some mode setting support |
| 12:07.20 | RUMMY | foo.tar.gz: gzip compressed data, was "foo.sql", from Unix, last modified: Mon Aug 18 03:10:03 2008 |
| 12:07.28 | enouf | jelly-home: i see that now, yes ... |
| 12:08.05 | abrotman | RUMMY: so gunzip foo.tar.gz |
| 12:08.09 | enouf | RUMMY: gzip it then run file on the result again - seems it's not a tar archive ..or .. |
| 12:08.15 | abrotman | RUMMY: then try to 'file' it again |
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| 12:08.53 | enouf | goes off and showers |
| 12:09.09 | abrotman | !smell enouf |
| 12:09.13 | abrotman | oh well |
| 12:09.15 | jelly-home | dpkg: yo |
| 12:09.15 | dpkg | Wazzup man? |
| 12:09.30 | RUMMY | now got new error on file foo.tar that: foo.tar: UTF-8 Unicode text, with very long lines |
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| 12:09.46 | jelly-home | dpkg: you have no sense of smell, don't you? |
| 12:09.46 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 12:09.54 | valdyn | RUMMY: what error? read that file |
| 12:09.58 | hellues | http://paste.org/6613 hey someone check that |
| 12:10.00 | valdyn | RUMMY: less foo.tar |
| 12:10.08 | hellues | all mistake on ext4 issue |
| 12:10.11 | hellues | i took that |
| 12:10.12 | jelly-home | RUMMY: your file seems not to be a .tar archive |
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| 12:10.50 | jintxo | I'm guessing it's "very long" sql statements lol |
| 12:10.53 | sepult | WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH |
| 12:10.55 | jelly-home | RUMMY: rename foo.tar to foo.sql, and proceed with whatever you're doing? |
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| 12:11.23 | sepult | IPC |
| 12:11.25 | hanibana | jelly-home: with Sarge installed through debootstrap on SAS drive, is there any chance to boot it ? |
| 12:11.32 | abrotman | sepult: do you need help? |
| 12:11.37 | RUMMY | I execute 'gunzip foo.tar.gz' now I have foo.tar file and when I executed 'tar -zxf foo.gz' got error: foo.tar: UTF-8 Unicode text, with very long lines |
| 12:11.46 | sepult | yes do you have a lil bit of IPC for me ? |
| 12:11.48 | valdyn | hellues: you converted your root partition to ext4 without reading the docs properly? |
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| 12:12.08 | jelly-home | hanibana: no, but then you'll have a working base system to test your 2.4 kernel builds on |
| 12:12.12 | valdyn | hellues: does your kernel even support ext4? |
| 12:12.21 | RUMMY | so I renamed and its worked |
| 12:12.22 | RUMMY | :-) |
| 12:12.25 | RUMMY | thanks |
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| 12:12.52 | sepult | HAL and DBUS in the ring |
| 12:12.56 | sepult | ladies and gentleman |
| 12:12.58 | jelly-home | valdyn: we told him to upgrade to 2.6.28 at least |
| 12:13.05 | sepult | this box turn is gonna be awful |
| 12:13.15 | sepult | buff buff buffff |
| 12:13.23 | jelly-home | wtf |
| 12:13.24 | sepult | ewwwwww |
| 12:13.28 | abrotman | sepult: please stop |
| 12:13.38 | sepult | lol |
| 12:13.41 | valdyn | oh well, that howto is a piece of shit for / on ext4 |
| 12:13.41 | abrotman | it's not funny |
| 12:13.51 | valdyn | hellues: read the proper docs at kernelnewbies.org |
| 12:14.12 | jelly-home | it bears repeating... |
| 12:14.14 | jelly-home | !tutorials |
| 12:14.14 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 12:14.26 | sepult | wth, now UDEV is climbing in the ring tooo |
| 12:14.34 | sepult | ohhhhh |
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| 12:14.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: plz silenc kkthx? |
| 12:14.37 | sepult | what a showww |
| 12:14.43 | hellues | pls someone answer me |
| 12:14.50 | valdyn | hellues: I did |
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| 12:15.20 | sepult | i thought this match to be a box game but it turns out to be a ketch game |
| 12:15.22 | abrotman | sepult: please stop spouting nonsense .. |
| 12:15.23 | hellues | valdyn you did what ? |
| 12:15.43 | sepult | abrotman: it's not nonsense i'm just commenting what's going on in my system |
| 12:15.44 | valdyn | hellues: i told you what do to |
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| 12:15.56 | abrotman | sepult: we don't care .. either ask your debian question or be quiet |
| 12:15.56 | valdyn | hellues: and I got a direct link: http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 |
| 12:15.56 | hellues | valdyn |
| 12:16.01 | hellues | i missing sorry |
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| 12:16.05 | jelly-home | hellues: boot a livecd that supports ext4. mount your system and install a newer kernel, at least a 2.6.28 one. Upgrade e2fsprogs for good measure. Try rebooting using the newer kernel. |
| 12:16.12 | sepult | abrotman: ok why is DEBIAN so mean to me ? |
| 12:16.16 | sepult | lol |
| 12:16.23 | simplechat | hey, just as a question |
| 12:16.32 | simplechat | is there any easy way to access the capabilities of the kernel any more? |
| 12:16.46 | simplechat | like say i want to stop the kernel from allowing things like changing immutable bits & that |
| 12:16.47 | abrotman | simplechat: you mean the config ? |
| 12:16.49 | simplechat | i know there was lcap |
| 12:16.53 | simplechat | but lcap is depreciated |
| 12:16.57 | simplechat | abrotman, nah, kernel caps |
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| 12:17.07 | abrotman | checks the calendar |
| 12:17.33 | simplechat | ?? |
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| 12:18.51 | sepult | abrotman: it's the usb thingie |
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| 12:19.13 | sepult | concurrent access from hal and dbus or so or even udev |
| 12:19.14 | jelly-home | simplechat: libcap2-bin? |
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| 12:19.23 | sepult | i installed usbmount |
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| 12:19.30 | sepult | and got everything mounted |
| 12:19.35 | sepult | as virtualbox tells |
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| 12:19.40 | simplechat | jelly-home, is lcap2-bin using the linux kernel capabilities? |
| 12:19.54 | simplechat | also i can't seem to find the package |
| 12:20.00 | jelly-home | judd: info libcap2-bin |
| 12:20.01 | judd | jelly-home: libcap2-bin (utils): is optional; Version: 2.11-2; Size: 16.9k; Installed: 116k -- basic utility programs for using capabilities |
| 12:20.03 | sepult | and then started virtualbox, the mounts disappeared along with the devices in nirwana |
| 12:20.34 | sepult | and virtualbox would freeze |
| 12:20.36 | simplechat | jelly-home, ok, that seems like what i want |
| 12:20.38 | simplechat | how would i get it? |
| 12:20.40 | jelly-home | simplechat: your copy-pasting fails |
| 12:20.57 | jelly-home | not "lcap2-bin", libcap2-bin |
| 12:20.59 | simplechat | oh, ok |
| 12:21.15 | simplechat | thanks jelly-home :D |
| 12:22.06 | simplechat | sorry for being so noobish, but where would i find the man page for libcap2-bin ? |
| 12:22.08 | simplechat | so i could use it? |
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| 12:23.55 | Rich-Boy | what's the cmd to resolve a host? |
| 12:24.04 | Rich-Boy | i've tried host, dig, dns |
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| 12:25.31 | abrotman | dig/host/nslookup |
| 12:25.48 | NoReGreT | maybe it got no ptr record... |
| 12:25.55 | Rich-Boy | ok i guess i have to apt-get those |
| 12:25.58 | nkuttler | simplechat: in the -dev package? or manpages-dev |
| 12:26.02 | simplechat | jelly-home, would you have any pointers? |
| 12:26.02 | Rich-Boy | because i get cmd not found |
| 12:26.08 | simplechat | nkuttler, explain? |
| 12:26.08 | sudden | How would one make holding down a key not make repeated key presses? (And can it be done with specific keys?) |
| 12:26.38 | jelly-home | simplechat: um, that's the package name. Install it and look at the contents |
| 12:27.14 | simplechat | jelly-home, yeah, i have |
| 12:27.27 | simplechat | its not the most verbose thing |
| 12:27.38 | jelly-home | what is? |
| 12:28.47 | hellues | valdyn |
| 12:28.52 | hellues | i apply this step |
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| 12:29.01 | simplechat | jelly-home, the readme basically has two commands in it, and the man pages are generic usages |
| 12:29.07 | hellues | but i saw errors that i gave yyou in the link |
| 12:29.08 | simplechat | but don't actually tell me what caps it actually has |
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| 12:29.17 | valdyn | hellues: which step? |
| 12:29.25 | jelly-home | simplechat: ah. man -k capabilities |
| 12:29.46 | simplechat | ok |
| 12:29.57 | simplechat | say i want to get one specific one how would i get that? |
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| 12:30.06 | simplechat | atm its giving me a list of all entries with capabilities in its name |
| 12:30.09 | simplechat | not the actual manual |
| 12:30.51 | jelly-home | simplechat: find the name and section of the man page you want, and use that one |
| 12:30.55 | simplechat | kk |
| 12:31.02 | simplechat | damnnit :( |
| 12:31.05 | simplechat | this isn't what i'm looking for |
| 12:31.50 | jelly-home | eg. if a line from man -k says "capabilities (7) - overview of Linux capabilities", you'd run "man 7 capabilities" to see it |
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| 12:32.00 | simplechat | ah, ok |
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| 12:32.13 | simplechat | jelly-home, my issue is that this is all file based capabilities, similar to selinux |
| 12:32.19 | simplechat | instead of system wide capabilities |
| 12:32.27 | hellues | valdyn first |
| 12:32.31 | jelly-home | simplechat: no, it's not what you're looking for, but it's how you look for stuff in man |
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| 12:32.41 | simplechat | jelly-home, ok |
| 12:32.44 | simplechat | but the package itself |
| 12:32.47 | simplechat | isn't the same as lcap |
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| 12:32.57 | simplechat | lcap would set capabilities for the kernel itself instead of on individual files |
| 12:33.43 | hellues | valdyn tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/sda2 i make firstly than fsck -pDf /dev/sda2 |
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| 12:33.47 | hellues | than rebooted |
| 12:33.56 | hellues | than system drop me <into busybox |
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| 12:34.22 | simplechat | hellues, you just turned on ext4? |
| 12:34.27 | valdyn | hellues: this is a debian support channel, not "teach me reading", so please read the article |
| 12:34.50 | valdyn | hellues: NOTE: At least in debian-derived distros, including Ubuntu, converting your filesystem to Ext4 when using a initramfs... |
| 12:34.56 | valdyn | hellues: that part is important ^^ |
| 12:34.56 | Hoxzer | Aargh. |
| 12:35.02 | hellues | simonrvn yes i just convert my ext3 to ext4 |
| 12:35.05 | jelly-home | simplechat: mm. I see no lcap in debian at all |
| 12:35.07 | hellues | valdyn i read that |
| 12:35.14 | simplechat | jelly-home, it was in etch |
| 12:35.16 | simplechat | and in sid |
| 12:35.18 | simplechat | but now its gone :( |
| 12:35.27 | valdyn | hellues: then what is the problem? |
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| 12:36.19 | hellues | problem is thsat valdyn system couldnt mount /dev/sda1 because of unsupported optional feature (40) |
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| 12:36.35 | valdyn | hellues: so you didnt really read it |
| 12:36.36 | hellues | i dont know what it mean did you read address i past to channel |
| 12:36.37 | jelly-home | simplechat: oh. |
| 12:37.12 | tataloo | . |
| 12:37.33 | simplechat | yeah |
| 12:37.40 | valdyn | hellues: its 5 lines in my browser, starting at NOTE:, read that part, it contains your fix |
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| 12:39.51 | jerlique | My debian box has become very laggy when trying to stop a process. Last time a "reboot"'ed it, it locked up and I had to cold boot it. Is there anyway to do this remotely? |
| 12:40.28 | hellues | what is Note which section it has the Note : |
| 12:40.33 | azeem | jerlique: how do you try to stop a process? |
| 12:40.45 | valdyn | http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 |
| 12:40.49 | valdyn | hellues: ^^^ |
| 12:41.03 | hellues | i see |
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| 12:41.36 | jerlique | azeem: /etc/init.d/misdn-init stop |
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| 12:42.03 | azeem | jerlique: and the problem only occurs when stopping that process? |
| 12:42.38 | jerlique | Yes. Its hanging on unloading a module "/sbin/rmmod l3udss1" |
| 12:42.58 | azeem | jerlique: on all terminals and consoles? |
| 12:43.04 | azeem | or just that terminal? |
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| 12:44.17 | jerlique | Yes, its strange. I'm ssh'd in twice to the box which is idle. if I use pico to view a file it pauses all over the place as I scroll through the file. It can be paused, and I have ok access on the other termnial |
| 12:44.37 | jerlique | console too (but I'm not at the console now) |
| 12:45.00 | hellues | valdyn rootfstype=ext4 this is not wortk |
| 12:45.10 | hellues | still system dropped me into busy box |
| 12:45.59 | jelly-home | hellues: your 2.6.26 kernel still only knows about "ext4_dev" or similar, not ext4 proper |
| 12:46.32 | jelly-home | but I'm not going to repeat to upgrade the kernel for the third time |
| 12:46.36 | jelly-home | oops. |
| 12:47.46 | hellues | jelly-home hmm |
| 12:47.51 | hellues | what must i do |
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| 12:48.06 | sudden | How would one make holding down a key not make repeated key presses? (And can it be done with specific keys?) |
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| 12:48.20 | et | sudden: with xset |
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| 12:50.26 | kunal | hello. guys |
| 12:50.42 | kunal | i want to know where i can find manual to configure my wireless lan connection my laptop |
| 12:51.11 | kunal | my wireless router is secured by WEP, i want to know where I can learn on how to access a WEP secured connection |
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| 12:51.49 | Rayne | i runned memtest86+ and on the first check i got some errors (this check was done after a windows vista bluescreen, maybe there was data from windows inside the ram... i do not know if this make sense, but i think this should not let memtest throw errors). then i restarted the system and run debian (works fine as ever). at night a started memtest for 10h again and it had not found an error. any idea why it found in the first run some errors? |
| 12:51.59 | abrotman | kunal: man iwconfig |
| 12:52.12 | abrotman | kunal: and man interfaces |
| 12:52.19 | jeffrey_ | kunal: do you know the WEP key? |
| 12:52.23 | AlHafoudh | hi all |
| 12:52.24 | kunal | yes i do |
| 12:52.27 | kunal | i am not hacking in. |
| 12:52.32 | kunal | i know i can hack wep |
| 12:52.36 | AlHafoudh | i must remove journal from ext3 before i can use resize2fs ? |
| 12:52.42 | kunal | i know there is a hack i mean. |
| 12:52.44 | alex12 | Rayne: maybe heat? |
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| 12:53.17 | xororand | AlHafoudh: yes |
| 12:53.18 | Rayne | alex12, that would be an idea ... but i think not that the system is warm enough for "corrupting" the ram |
| 12:53.19 | kunal | ok. abrotman: does it include on how to connect wep? |
| 12:53.27 | jeffrey_ | kunal: iwconfig essid & iwconfig key will do it. |
| 12:53.32 | abrotman | it should .. though it's pretty easy |
| 12:53.44 | AlHafoudh | xororand: why resize2fs cannot say that :( |
| 12:54.00 | alex12 | Rayne: run some more tests, if its fine, then your ram is fine |
| 12:54.16 | alex12 | non-ecc ram does error, once in a few billion i/o's |
| 12:54.29 | abrotman | unless it's bad RAM |
| 12:54.35 | Rayne | alex12, does linux freeze (or whatever) if the ram is corrupted while running? |
| 12:54.40 | Rayne | i had never problems on linux |
| 12:54.50 | alex12 | it would possibly |
| 12:55.01 | alex12 | run memtest again |
| 12:55.07 | kunal | jeffrey thanks |
| 12:55.08 | alex12 | for another 10 hours, |
| 12:55.08 | Rayne | even if i do stupid things like "echo {0-255}.{0-255} etc." - okay then ulimit stops this stupid entry, but no problems |
| 12:55.10 | abrotman | Rayne: bad RAM can do all sorts of bizarre things .. |
| 12:55.14 | Rayne | hm :/ |
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| 12:57.02 | jelly-home | <AlHafoudh> i must remove journal from ext3 before i can use resize2fs ? <xororand> AlHafoudh: yes # false! |
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| 12:57.22 | AlHafoudh | jelly-home: so? |
| 12:57.32 | jelly-home | AlHafoudh: it's not true in recent e2fsprogs |
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| 12:57.39 | jelly-home | AlHafoudh: which debian release are you using? |
| 12:57.42 | AlHafoudh | ubuntu |
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| 12:57.53 | jelly-home | that's not debian |
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| 12:58.36 | jerlique | is there a way to reboot remotely without shutting down? |
| 12:58.38 | AlHafoudh | ubuntu is debian ;) |
| 12:58.43 | jelly-home | AlHafoudh: nope, sorry |
| 12:58.46 | abrotman | no it is not, please go to #ubuntu for support |
| 12:58.50 | AlHafoudh | ok |
| 12:58.54 | abrotman | jerlique: 'reboot' is a command |
| 12:59.06 | kamp2tux | what package to install so that every window will have shadow ? |
| 12:59.10 | jerlique | reboot shutdowns applications down though |
| 12:59.17 | kamp2tux | elightenment ? |
| 12:59.28 | abrotman | jerlique: then you mean something other than 'reboot' apparently |
| 12:59.30 | jerlique | My problem is an application will not close, so I want to simulate a cold boot |
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| 13:00.18 | kamp2tux | any other way instead of installing enlightenment (e16) for window with shadow ? |
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| 13:03.06 | jelly-home | jerlique: echoing characters into /proc/sysrq-trigger will act as if the magic sysrq key combos were used |
| 13:03.19 | jelly-home | !sysrq |
| 13:03.19 | dpkg | from memory, sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt |
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| 13:04.40 | jelly-home | jerlique: so, you could do something like "echo -n s >> /proc/sysrq-trigger; echo -n u >> /proc/sysrq-trigger; echo -n b >> /proc/sysrq-trigger" |
| 13:04.55 | jerlique | jelly-home: thanks. |
| 13:05.40 | jelly-home | jerlique: however, a hung process is worth investigating unless you're time limited and this is a production system |
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| 13:07.00 | jerlique | jelly-home: I agree. But I need to seek advice from digium. I'm using the misdn package and I'm trying to stop it. One of the modules will not unload. |
| 13:07.05 | jelly-home | jerlique: if an app hangs and can't be killed even with a KILL signal, this might point to network, driver or even hardware issues |
| 13:07.12 | sudden | et: thanks! but the line 'xset -r 108' (to turn off repeat for the key I wanted to) does not give any effect and nor does 'xset r off' would you know what I'm missing here? |
| 13:07.44 | jerlique | I've tried kill -9 pid but it doesnt stop |
| 13:08.00 | jelly-home | jerlique: that's driver issues all right :-) |
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| 13:08.23 | jelly-home | k, so sysrq sounds like the only way out |
| 13:08.41 | jerlique | "/sbin/rmmod l3udss1" - When I spk to digium I'll see if I can avoid this driver, I'm hoping its for a card that I dont need. |
| 13:09.23 | jonlin | jelly-home: Hey, I've been trying to config X, but my configuration seems to be being overridden by the current framebuffer mode (I'm using the X fbdev driver), |
| 13:10.03 | jelly-home | jonlin: yeah, disable console framebuffer and use the proper ati driver |
| 13:10.23 | jonlin | already did; there's an allocation error or something, and it dies... |
| 13:10.33 | jelly-home | jonlin: if you use fbdev, you don't gain anything |
| 13:10.53 | abrotman | jerlique: and he should be using modprobe -r |
| 13:12.23 | hellues | hey |
| 13:12.33 | hellues | i am in grub edit prompt |
| 13:12.56 | hellues | i wtoe this kopt=root=UUID=24c707be-c824-4781-89bd-25ed9dba54f8 ro rootfstype=ext4 |
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| 13:13.06 | hellues | when i try to boot from thsat line |
| 13:13.14 | hellues | said kopt unrecognized command :( |
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| 13:14.09 | jerlique | abrotman: modprobe -r for what sorry? |
| 13:14.09 | jonlin | jelly-home: Using the ATI driver's is doing even less than fb; simply dies at startx |
| 13:14.22 | xoz | !rmmod |
| 13:14.22 | dpkg | [rmmod] a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead |
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| 13:14.57 | jelly-home | jonlin: which debian release are you using? Is this PC hardware or some other architecture? |
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| 13:16.10 | jerlique | modprobe didnt work either.. |
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| 13:16.29 | jonlin | jelly-dude: powerpc (G3 iMac) running Etch |
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| 13:16.32 | valdyn | hellues: why the hell did you put kopt there? |
| 13:16.42 | hellues | valdyn |
| 13:16.51 | hellues | just a second |
| 13:17.00 | jonlin | jelly-home: ** powerpc (G3 iMac) running Etch |
| 13:18.20 | S3v3N | i installed debian lenny. after 2 weeks on my user appear new mail but i hadn't installed any mail service on my box. how is that possible? |
| 13:18.25 | jelly-home | jonlin: Ah. I'm ppc agnostic, no idea of how the ati driver is crippled in this scenario. Perhaps you'd get more answers in a ppc specific channel |
| 13:18.59 | jonlin | jelly-home: heh, doubt it; debianppc's dead ^^ or at least, almost dead |
| 13:19.07 | jelly-home | mm |
| 13:19.08 | jelly-home | !ppc |
| 13:19.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 13:19.14 | jelly-home | eh |
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| 13:19.49 | jonlin | s/debianppc/#debianppc/ in my last comment |
| 13:19.50 | jeffrey_ | S3v3N: exim4 starts by default |
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| 13:20.06 | {g} | Hey People! In the output of "stat" whats the difference of Modify time and Change time? |
| 13:20.09 | S3v3N | ok thanks for info. |
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| 13:20.45 | Eulex | {g}, one is for metadata and the other is for content; I don't remember which is which |
| 13:20.46 | jonlin | jelly-home: Thanks a lot anyway |
| 13:21.03 | hellues | valdyn |
| 13:21.11 | hellues | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/309762 |
| 13:21.17 | hellues | comment fourteen |
| 13:21.23 | Eulex | {g}, modify is contents, change is metadata |
| 13:21.26 | jonlin | just checking out ivtv's X output driver... see if I have any better luck -_- |
| 13:21.42 | {g} | Eulex: thanks |
| 13:21.51 | jonlin | thinks it could be another dead end |
| 13:24.04 | hellues | valdyn are you there i totally apply the things that is in the page |
| 13:24.47 | hellues | i am very very bored |
| 13:25.02 | hellues | which distro of debian has support for ext4 |
| 13:25.05 | hellues | lenny |
| 13:25.09 | hellues | squeezer ? |
| 13:25.18 | abrotman | squeeze .. not squeezer |
| 13:25.23 | hellues | sorry |
| 13:25.31 | hellues | squeeze |
| 13:26.09 | hellues | i try to install debian squeeze it couldnt find my hard disk drive about 1 months before |
| 13:26.11 | hoxu | !tell hellues about enter |
| 13:26.17 | jelly-home | is not bored enough to not ignore hellues |
| 13:26.27 | jonlin | heh |
| 13:26.34 | jeffrey_ | hellues: from lenny on, ext4 is supported, you just need to include the ext4 module support |
| 13:26.44 | hellues | ,,,,,,, |
| 13:26.48 | hellues | sorry |
| 13:27.09 | hellues | i reinstall debian from netinst cd. |
| 13:27.36 | hellues | thankx partner (jelly-home) :XD |
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| 13:28.56 | iateadonut1 | is it safe to change a username on debian to 500 so that my home partition is compatible with another operating system? |
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| 13:29.31 | iateadonut1 | i mean the uid. |
| 13:29.35 | TCW | re |
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| 13:29.48 | jelly-home | iateadonut1: it's pretty much safe. |
| 13:29.52 | iateadonut1 | change the uid from 1000 to 500 so two os's can share the same home partition. |
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| 13:29.56 | iateadonut1 | why does debian start so high? |
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| 13:30.22 | jerlique | when running ps, what do the [] brackets mean eg [mISDNStackd] |
| 13:30.33 | jelly-home | iateadonut1: afair, 200-999 range is reserved for dynamically added system users/groups |
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| 13:30.39 | TCW | jerlique, iirc it is a kernel thread then |
| 13:31.00 | jerlique | Is there a way to stop it? |
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| 13:31.36 | Bagoor | (XEN) For DomU, should I install Grub ? I'm installing on an image file, and it detects it as xvda. Grub cannot be installed on /dev/xvda or /dev/xvda1. Both Dom0 and DomU are Debian Lenny. |
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| 13:31.39 | TCW | jerlique, in this case I assume... stop mISDN foo and remove the mISDN modules? |
| 13:32.16 | jeffrey_ | jerlique: can you kill the thread? |
| 13:32.24 | jerlique | no |
| 13:32.49 | jeffrey_ | why not? |
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| 13:33.31 | jerlique | it doesnt die |
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| 13:33.37 | jeffrey_ | kill -9 |
| 13:33.41 | jerlique | nope |
| 13:35.25 | jerlique | jelly-home: is there any reason you specified read only mounting on boot for sysrq? |
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| 13:37.30 | jelly-home | jerlique: that's the common idiom; sync, umount, boot. Minimizes potential fsck at boot time |
| 13:38.21 | stew | jelly-home: do we really think an umount doesn't include a sync? :) |
| 13:38.35 | jerlique | jelly-home: oh, your explanation before had remount ro. |
| 13:39.07 | TCW | I have totem-mozilla (dependency of "gnome") and gecko-mediaplayer installed. I prefer the latter. How do I convice iceweasel to use gecko-mediaplayer? As a quickfix (as I couldn't figure out "in time" how to change it without too much manual interfering) I did dpkg --purge --force-depends totem-mozilla, but It is a bit annoying to break the dependencies because of that :) is there another way? Tried in icewesels configuration and I really don't get why some |
| 13:39.07 | TCW | media types are set there to be run with totem-mozilla and some with gecko-mediaplayer. 1st I can't change the totem-mozilla entries to gecko-mediaplayer (not available there) 2nd some entries are set for gecko-mediaplayer but mozilla-totem are used for them anyway... |
| 13:39.12 | abrotman | holy poo |
| 13:39.25 | TCW | oops... that was long, sorry :) |
| 13:40.06 | TCW | jeffrey_, run ps aux on your machine, see the processes in [], try to kill one on your own :) |
| 13:40.21 | abrotman | TCW: why not change the filetype association in icewasel? |
| 13:40.50 | jelly-home | stew: well, if sysrq-u fails for any reason, at least sysrq-s tried to sync some befre |
| 13:40.52 | TCW | abrotman, tried that... I can't change it to gecko... at least I do not see how |
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| 13:41.40 | abrotman | TCW: it has an "Other" option |
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| 13:42.28 | TCW | abrotman, yes... and it asks me then to specify an _application_, but I don't want to specify an external application, I want to use the internal browser plugin |
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| 13:43.52 | TCW | abrotman, and sometimes the internal browser plugin is available in the drop down field, sometimes not |
| 13:44.10 | abrotman | TCW: oh .. gotcha |
| 13:44.15 | xxtjaxx_ | Hi guys Im writing a makefile here and i want to be sure that the part that rermoves a directory doesnt fail and stops my complete packaging routine any suggestion ? like test -d ?? |
| 13:44.19 | abrotman | TCW: does it show up in about:plugins? |
| 13:44.29 | patrikf | xxtjaxx_: -f |
| 13:44.40 | TCW | but let me reinstall totem-mozilla (as in fix my broken system *g*) and see what I can do about it today... |
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| 13:45.40 | xxtjaxx_ | patrikf, ughm there is no -f command in rmdir |
| 13:46.01 | patrikf | xxtjaxx_: but there's rm -rf |
| 13:46.04 | darthanubis | -f? |
| 13:46.09 | darthanubis | force? |
| 13:46.13 | darthanubis | try rm -R |
| 13:46.19 | darthanubis | that will rmdir |
| 13:46.28 | patrikf | darthanubis: read above |
| 13:46.30 | TCW | xxtjaxx_, "everything is a file" (even directories, so to speak), so you need to use rm -rf |
| 13:46.40 | xxtjaxx_ | aha |
| 13:46.43 | xxtjaxx_ | THANKS |
| 13:46.45 | darthanubis | basically remove directory recursively...... |
| 13:46.49 | darthanubis | sorry |
| 13:47.00 | TCW | xxtjaxx_, if you only want to remove _empty |
| 13:47.23 | TCW | _ folders, you need to work with some more tools... like find, xargs, etc. |
| 13:47.45 | patrikf | well, test -d and rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty should do |
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| 13:48.20 | xxtjaxx_ | I handeled that one in a line above that |
| 13:48.25 | TCW | like find /where to start/ -type d -exec rm "{}" \; or similar |
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| 13:48.40 | TCW | err... /where/to/start/ even :) |
| 13:48.49 | patrikf | and rm -> rmdir |
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| 13:48.59 | TCW | patrikf, errrr... yes, sure :) |
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| 13:49.15 | patrikf | rmdir -p actually, as find will spit them out in wrong order |
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| 13:50.36 | Speereet | Hello. I am trying to build a cross compiler for etch, and I followed this article: http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers. Compilation of GCC is failing, though, at this step: [mv debian/tmp/usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 debian/libgcc1-amd64-cross/usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib/.] The source doesn't exist. Instead, there is, under debian/tmp/usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/, both lib32 and lib64 with that library. Do you know how can I fix this without havi |
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| 13:51.16 | darthanubis | I've been rmdirs the wrong way all this time? |
| 13:51.17 | darthanubis | sheesh |
| 13:51.36 | Speereet | I failed to mention: my host is running in i386, and the target is amd64. |
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| 13:52.53 | TCW | abrotman, yes, about:config shows now both plugins... several entries for totem and gecko-mediaplayer (several as in quicktime plugin, divx plugin, etc.) sometimes both are there set for the same media type, like quicktime has both entries, one for gecko, one for totem... just the version number differs. |
| 13:53.58 | abrotman | TCW: and if you go into the associations .. it doesn't list gecko? |
| 13:54.40 | TCW | abrotman, one sec |
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| 13:56.48 | TCW | abrotman, *lol* no it does not... but... there are only very very few strange filetypes left associated with totem, most of them are now set to use gecko-mediaplayer... seems like the remove / reinstall did mix things new :) |
| 13:57.16 | TCW | *test* |
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| 14:02.27 | tisker | Hello people. Advise me please command line video converter for convert any to any media files under debian |
| 14:02.45 | gray-- | from what to what? |
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| 14:03.04 | tisker | for example AVI -> MP4 |
| 14:03.09 | gray-- | ffmpeg ? |
| 14:03.29 | tisker | ok, thanks, I will try it. |
| 14:03.35 | TCW | abrotman, funny... even if "QuickTime Plug-In 7.45" is specified for mov (quicktime video) and I see that plug-in in about:config as the gecko plugin, but nevertheless totem is used (tested it at apple.com/trailers) |
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| 14:04.24 | TCW | tisker, mplayer/mencoder may be the most advanced conversion tools... but it has a _complex_ systax |
| 14:04.28 | gog | I'm getting an error when updating python-elemettree |
| 14:04.31 | gog | on testing |
| 14:04.37 | gog | anybody else have this? |
| 14:04.47 | tisker | TCW: thanks, I will try |
| 14:05.11 | gog | update-python-modules: error: /usr/share/python-support/python-elementtree.public is not a directory |
| 14:05.21 | TCW | tisker, but there are many howtos / help tutorials on the web for mencoder |
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| 14:07.06 | Speereet | Another question: compiling GCC with amd64 support requires binutils-x86_64-linux-gnu, but when I build binutils, the package binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu is generated instead. I altered GCC debian/control to match this dependency. Could this be the source of my problem? Besides that, GCC requires too libc6-dev-i386-amd64-cross. However, libc6-dev-i386-amd64-cross requires libc6-i386-amd64-cross and a bunch of other dependencies that I CAN'T cross with dpkg-cr |
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| 14:07.42 | adb | #gcc |
| 14:07.48 | TCW | abrotman, do you think this is enough to raise a bug? |
| 14:08.24 | adb | Speereet: tied #gcc ? |
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| 14:09.12 | Speereet | No, but this issue regards debian, for the method I'm using is for debian. For a full source GCC compilation with required libraries, the procedure would be much different, adb. |
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| 14:13.49 | adb | not sure but that "-x86_64" seems not right |
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| 14:15.03 | Speereet | Why? |
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| 14:16.27 | Speereet | By the way, I just checked <debian/rules build>, and everything runs fine. The problem is definitely with debian, probably dpkg-buildpackage not finding stuff where it wants it. If I could just learn how it works... |
| 14:16.39 | Bagoor | (XEN) For DomU, should I install Grub ? I'm installing on an image file, and it detects it as xvda. Grub cannot be installed on /dev/xvda or /dev/xvda1. Both Dom0 and DomU are Debian Lenny. |
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| 14:19.10 | spacepluk | hi, how do people draw that boxes for code snippets in the mailing lists? Is there any tool to do that? |
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| 14:19.56 | abrotman | TCW: i think totem is the quicktime plugin |
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| 14:23.01 | tielk | is there a relatively simple way to revert from using encrypted lvm? |
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| 14:24.16 | Speereet | tielk: I never tried the lvm-encrypted scheme of debian. Is it LVM on LUKS or LUKS on LVM? |
| 14:24.26 | TCW | abrotman, see http://picpaste.de/screenhsot1.png and http://picpaste.de/screenhsot2.png looks like gecko-mplayer should handle it to me... |
| 14:25.03 | tielk | speereet: hmm, i dont know ;) |
| 14:25.08 | TCW | tielk, backup / restore |
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| 14:25.38 | abrotman | TCW: and if you hit the dropdown .. what are the options? |
| 14:25.44 | asg|nb | tielk: revert from encrypted LVM to non-encrypted LVM or to standard filesystems? |
| 14:25.52 | jonlin-afk | jelly-home: been looking at the logs; the ATI driver fails because the hsync value is "out of range..." anything I can do about this? or am I screwed ^_^ |
| 14:25.55 | tielk | i was thinking non-encrypted lvm |
| 14:26.05 | TCW | tielk, you can't purge the second floor of a house "easily", you have to rebuilt the house... |
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| 14:26.26 | asg|nb | tielk: take a look at Wouter's post on planet.debian.org today (using NBD to migrate from encrypted to non-encrypted LVMs) |
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| 14:26.32 | ludan_ | hi guys |
| 14:26.37 | tielk | thanks asg|nb |
| 14:26.39 | Speereet | tielk: Well, if it is LUKS on LVM, you can try some magic, but TCW's option is safer. |
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| 14:27.07 | ludan_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524095 says that the bug is fixed in 9-4-1 but I can't find such a .deb still |
| 14:27.08 | gothenburg | I got a problem with .htaccess and apache2 |
| 14:27.21 | TCW | Speereet, yes... it depends _highly_ what floor one is talking about :) |
| 14:28.11 | Speereet | tielk: That magic involves resizing your partitions, then resizing LUKS volumes, and then LVM logical volumes, so that you get enough space for non-encrypted logical volumes. |
| 14:28.25 | gothenburg | . /var/www/politiksajten/.htaccess: Invalid command 'RewriteEngine', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
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| 14:28.40 | tielk | hmm im gonna try this nbd method |
| 14:28.45 | tielk | if not, rebuild |
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| 14:28.49 | lxsameer | when my cpu is in powersave mode its temperature is about 55 C but when i change that govner to performance immediately the temperature goes up , up to 80 C and 90 C |
| 14:28.53 | lxsameer | what is wronge |
| 14:29.11 | lxsameer | i use acpi -V for getting CPU temperature |
| 14:29.28 | Speereet | tielk: If you're going to use NBD without knowing your setup, you might be going to waste precious time and data. |
| 14:29.33 | tielk | ok ok |
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| 14:31.54 | TCW | abrotman, screenshot not possible :) but it is "QuickTime Plug-in 7.4.5 used (in iceweasel)", "Video Player used (in iceweasel)", "Other application", "safe" and "ask" |
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| 14:32.16 | gothenburg | solved |
| 14:32.16 | TCW | not in that order though :) |
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| 14:32.57 | abrotman | TCW: and changing it does nothing? |
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| 14:33.22 | TCW | abrotman, changeing to what? From Quicktime plugin ti vide player? |
| 14:33.33 | abrotman | oh .. video player is external |
| 14:33.39 | TCW | yes |
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| 14:34.32 | Meaw | hi.. my two ethernet cards was working fine before power cut, when power comes again.. only one ethernet card is working .. I did lspci i can see the two cards but in ifconfig -a only eth0 is exist |
| 14:34.43 | adb | Speereet: $ARCH can't be "-x86_64" ; fix your ARCH= |
| 14:35.00 | abrotman | Meaw: check dmesg to see how many are there |
| 14:35.05 | TCW | Meaw, dmesg > pastebin |
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| 14:37.23 | Meaw | only eth0 is exist |
| 14:37.51 | abrotman | TCW: lovely lack of documentation |
| 14:38.02 | TCW | Meaw, dmesg > pastebin |
| 14:38.22 | TCW | abrotman, hey... it is firefox / gnome we are talking about, don't we? ;) |
| 14:38.37 | abrotman | yeah .. but that's awful |
| 14:39.06 | abrotman | TCW: have you tried another gecko-based browser? |
| 14:39.11 | TCW | abrotman, but I see a bug in the code not in the lack of docs there... you don't agree? |
| 14:39.43 | abrotman | TCW: it's possible .. though the plugin does register itself in the gconf |
| 14:39.46 | Meaw | here: http://pastebin.com/m58504854 |
| 14:39.53 | Speereet | adb: dpkg-architecture -aamd64 -qDEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE returns "x86_64", therefore it must be right. Why do you say it's wrong? |
| 14:40.12 | Speereet | Returns x86_64-linux-gnu, actually. |
| 14:40.21 | adb | hmm |
| 14:40.30 | TCW | abrotman, you did test it on your side? |
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| 14:40.44 | abrotman | TCW: i haven't gone to squeeze yet .. i've been busy |
| 14:40.47 | TCW | abrotman, and let me see how it is with epiphany |
| 14:41.31 | abrotman | puts stew on a bike |
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| 14:42.18 | asg|nb | abrotman: is that wise? |
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| 14:42.52 | Meaw | TCW, any thoughts? |
| 14:43.39 | abrotman | asg|nb: it's nice weather! |
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| 14:44.29 | TCW | abrotman, first... the order in about:plugins differs between epi vs. iw and I can't change the filetypes as it seems in iw anyway |
| 14:44.40 | abrotman | TCW: but epiphany works ? |
| 14:45.16 | TCW | abrotman, ahh... no, it does the same, totem is used |
| 14:45.25 | abrotman | so .. nothing wants to use it? |
| 14:46.15 | jelly-home | jonlin-afk: change the HorizSync limits in xorg.conf to some values that resemble a PAL monitor |
| 14:46.17 | stew | abrotman: bbq season starts today, i'm cooking all day |
| 14:46.18 | TCW | Meaw, no... I tend to think the NIC is fried |
| 14:46.29 | stew | abrotman: you should be going to the geeknic |
| 14:46.39 | TCW | abrotman, let me test some other filtypes... if I find any on the web... one sec |
| 14:46.52 | abrotman | stew: oh i forgot! .. crap |
| 14:47.27 | abrotman | stew: good day for it though |
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| 14:47.58 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 14:48.14 | Pupeno | Anyone has a qnap ts 209? |
| 14:48.31 | abrotman | a NAS? |
| 14:48.44 | jelly-home | a whut? |
| 14:49.08 | Pupeno | abrotman: yes, a NAS. |
| 14:49.23 | abrotman | Pupeno: do you want to put debian on it? |
| 14:49.24 | Wyzard | Meaw: Is your other network card an rtl8139 as well, or is it some other model? |
| 14:49.25 | asg|nb | jelly-home: It's a thing for storing data on the network but that's not important right now |
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| 14:49.49 | jonlin-afk | jelly-home: I have, now it's complaining that the VertRefresh is out of range. Unfortunately, the TV is 50Hz only, and I can't get X to run at anything lower than 55 :/ |
| 14:49.54 | TCW | abrotman, avi, wmv and mpg == totem used |
| 14:50.04 | Pupeno | abrotman: no, I want to access it from Debian and I'm consider whether I need the pro (with nfs support) or the home (only with smb support). |
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| 14:50.17 | abrotman | TCW: i'd probably start by emailing the maintainers and ask them how, or ask them where the docs are i guess |
| 14:50.18 | jelly-home | jonlin-afk: can't lower VertRefresh to, say 22-60? :-) |
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| 14:50.36 | Wyzard | Pupeno: Debian can mount SMB shares |
| 14:50.42 | jelly-home | jonlin-afk: and that's 50Hz _interlaced_ |
| 14:50.44 | abrotman | Pupeno: either would work .. if you're just using it for simple network stroage, you can probably just go with the home versoin |
| 14:50.58 | TCW | abrotman, maintainers if iw or gecko-mediaplayer? |
| 14:51.02 | TCW | of even |
| 14:51.19 | Pupeno | Wyzard: almost any linux distro can, that's why I'm wandering why they are charging more for nfs support. |
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| 14:51.31 | abrotman | TCW: i'd probably start with the gecko-mediaplayer folks .. since it's not limited to IW, but happens also in epiphany |
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| 14:51.39 | Pupeno | abrotman: you mean, like *not* having home directories and stuff like that, right? |
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| 14:51.51 | amanda-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.54 | jelly-home | Pupeno: can you flash the home version with the pro firmware? :-> |
| 14:52.02 | abrotman | Pupeno: i don't know what capability that hting has .. |
| 14:52.05 | Wyzard | Pupeno: because home users typically have no use for it; only businsses do, and businesses are willing to pay more |
| 14:52.15 | iateadonut1 | is there a good tutorial for letting usb devices use my network? |
| 14:52.21 | Pupeno | jelly-home: don't think so. |
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| 14:52.42 | asg|nb | amanda-b: if vncserver doesn't have an option to bind only to localhost (check the manpage), you could always use iptables to block all inbound access to the relevant ports. |
| 14:52.50 | Pupeno | Wyzard: why do business need nfs at all? to have centralized home dirs? to have a centralized storage everything can access smb. |
| 14:52.54 | jelly-home | heh, "powerful 500MHz CPU" |
| 14:52.55 | TCW | abrotman, but as epi uses the same plugin framework (at least I think so)... I see a bug in that framwork |
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| 14:53.04 | h3xis | can someone point me to a working testing netinstall iso? the one i'm using (latest/current) always fails after configuring the network using DHCP successfully |
| 14:53.12 | amanda-b | asg|nb: i have found iptables to be painful and while i know it would work, it's what i'm trying to avoid :-) |
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| 14:53.39 | liable | h3xis: what do you mean? |
| 14:53.46 | abrotman | TCW: supposedly gecko registers with gconf .. seems like there should be a way to easily choose which plugin is used for which |
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| 14:53.51 | jelly-home | Pupeno: nfs = easy unix compatibility; no, not everything can access smb. |
| 14:53.53 | jetscreamer | h3xis: sometimes they just don't work, but did you try a nightly? |
| 14:53.53 | TCW | abrotman, http://kdekorte.googlepages.com/article1 <- upstream of gecko-mediaplayer... they say "get rid of totem!" so I think they are not of much help :) |
| 14:54.10 | jetscreamer | says get rid of totem also |
| 14:54.19 | h3xis | liable, it will pull an IP using DHCP just fine and then will give me a red screen that says "installation step failed" and then will say "Failing step is: configure the network" and it didnt actually fail |
| 14:54.20 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you're not much help either :) |
| 14:54.41 | jetscreamer | i tried totem when it was new.. no i'm not much help |
| 14:54.44 | jonlin-afk | jelly-home: it starts, but the display's unreadable (scrolling lines; refresh rate's way off again) |
| 14:54.48 | abrotman | TCW: but i meant the package maintianer |
| 14:54.52 | abrotman | debian package maintainer |
| 14:54.56 | TCW | abrotman, _exactly_, there should be an easy (or documented and not so easy) way to choose the plugins... I'd be glad if etc/alternatives is used, but I don't mind if it is setable within the browser itself... |
| 14:55.03 | TCW | abrotman, ahh... ok |
| 14:55.05 | liable | h3xis: how do you know it works? your watching vt4? |
| 14:55.10 | jetscreamer | hwinfo --monitor and make a monitor section for/in xorg.conf |
| 14:55.21 | h3xis | liable, it says "network configuration succeeded" |
| 14:55.21 | jelly-home | jonlin-afk: can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log from that run? |
| 14:55.30 | worr | anyone familiar with the zen kernel patches? |
| 14:55.35 | TCW | Maintainer: Cesare Tirabassi <norsetto@ubuntu.com> *eeks* :) |
| 14:55.38 | asg|nb | amanda-b: check the manpage for the server you are running. I know x11vnc has a -localhost option to do what you want. |
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| 14:55.51 | liable | h3xis: hmm, so after that, it gives a red screen? |
| 14:56.03 | h3xis | liable, correct |
| 14:56.05 | TCW | I have stromg feelings NOT to write to an ubuntu mail account ;) |
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| 14:56.16 | abrotman | TCW: and i don't see him on freenode currently (assuming he uses the same nick) |
| 14:56.17 | jelly-home | jonlin-afk: (and I assume you have a custom PAL modeline in your xorg.conf? Pastebin that as well) |
| 14:56.19 | Wyzard | amanda-b: When you set up SSH tunneling with -L or -R, by default only processes on the same machine can connect to the tunnel endpoint, unless you specify otherwise with the GatewayPorts option |
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| 14:56.43 | liable | h3xis: if you go through that part of the menu again, and run configure automatically, it fails consistently? |
| 14:56.48 | TCW | abrotman, let's see where this goes... I'll mail him |
| 14:56.56 | h3xis | liable, yes. even when i set a static IP it does it |
| 14:57.12 | abrotman | TCW: i mean .. you could just file a bug .. but you might be missing osmething obvious |
| 14:57.16 | Zesturian | Hello, what's the purpose of the file '/etc/shadow-'? |
| 14:57.27 | jetscreamer | passwords or so |
| 14:57.34 | jelly-home | Zesturian: backup? |
| 14:57.56 | TCW | abrotman, yes... that's why I agree to ask first the maintainer :) but in anyway there IS a bug... lack of documentation ;) |
| 14:58.02 | abrotman | yeah |
| 14:58.08 | liable | h3xis: interesting, can you give me a link to the exact image you got. |
| 14:58.10 | Zesturian | Ah, so just for restoration purposes jelly-home? |
| 14:58.25 | jelly-home | Zesturian: it seems so |
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| 14:58.42 | h3xis | liable, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:59.00 | h3xis | liable, im also doing this through usb. i burned the iso to a cd-r and got the same problem |
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| 14:59.13 | jelly-home | Zesturian: in any case it's normal to have it, nothing unusual or suspicious in having it exist |
| 14:59.42 | Zesturian | Thanks jelly-home, yeah, I wasn't concerned, more just a case of intrigue. |
| 14:59.45 | jetscreamer | doesn't have a /etc/shadow* |
| 14:59.54 | marvil07 | how to keep two versions of a package? |
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| 15:00.02 | jetscreamer | install one to local |
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| 15:00.06 | liable | h3xis: and thats over ethernet? |
| 15:00.13 | h3xis | liable, yes |
| 15:00.45 | liable | h3xis: ok, try a weekly or something, this might actually be might fault indirectly :( |
| 15:01.04 | marvil07 | I tried http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin |
| 15:01.25 | marvil07 | but I can not make it work |
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| 15:01.34 | h3xis | liable, where can i find weekly? |
| 15:01.35 | valdyn | marvil07: you cant |
| 15:01.40 | iateadonut1 | what's a good pdf program for a window manager like fluxbox? |
| 15:01.54 | valdyn | iateadonut1: any |
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| 15:02.02 | amphi | iateadonut1: epdfview is a decent light one |
| 15:02.05 | iateadonut1 | kpdf - it seems like a waste to. |
| 15:02.06 | jelly-home | xpdf? |
| 15:02.07 | iateadonut1 | thanks. |
| 15:02.31 | marvil07 | valdyn, :o, so I suppose I have to mantain it out of packages, |
| 15:02.36 | marvil07 | thanks valdyn |
| 15:02.37 | liable | h3xis: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:02.50 | liable | h3xis: can you ping me and let me know if that works? |
| 15:03.02 | h3xis | liable, sure. is there a netinstall for weekly? |
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| 15:03.27 | liable | h3xis: hmm, dont see one in that dir, sec |
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| 15:03.34 | jonlin-afk | jelly-home: xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1395758 , Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.ca/1395760 |
| 15:04.17 | marvil07 | have to maintain a g++/libstdc++ 3.4 because of festival ..grrh :p |
| 15:04.19 | TCW | abrotman, mail is out |
| 15:04.32 | jonlin-afk | jelly-home: Also, I know the identifier says I'm using a Hauppauge PVR350, but I'm not |
| 15:04.50 | jonlin-afk | (remains of an xorg.conf file I butchered in an earlier attempt) |
| 15:04.51 | abrotman | hides TCW under the sink so the mean people don't find him |
| 15:05.15 | jelly-home | jonlin-afk: I see. You don't have a tvout output right? |
| 15:05.23 | TCW | abrotman, huh? :) |
| 15:05.30 | jelly-home | else you wouldn't have to use VGA |
| 15:05.31 | liable | h3xis: doesnt look like it :( |
| 15:06.03 | jelly-home | jonlin-afk: HorizSync 13-18 doesn't work? |
| 15:06.07 | h3xis | liable, alright. i can put put CD1's iso onto my usb drive and boot using it right? |
| 15:06.12 | jonlin-afk | jelly-home: I don't, otherwise I'd use it :P |
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| 15:06.26 | jelly-home | jonlin-afk: can you lower VertRefresh 22-28 or so? |
| 15:06.31 | liable | h3xis: do you need a daily? it still uses a 26 kernel, so the lenny installer should work the same |
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| 15:06.54 | h3xis | liable, wont that install lenny? i want squeeze |
| 15:07.30 | jonlin-afk | jelly-home: nope |
| 15:07.30 | liable | h3xis: either set debconf priority to low, or boot it in expert mode, and it will let you install testing |
| 15:07.35 | jonlin-afk | tried em both |
| 15:07.36 | jetscreamer | there used to be an option to install stable testing or sid.. but you can always upgrade to testing if there's not anymore |
| 15:07.42 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 15:07.45 | jelly-home | jonlin-afk: interesting modeline syntax, I didn't know it could be written that way |
| 15:07.50 | h3xis | liable, :o okay. i'll do that then |
| 15:08.29 | jonlin-afk | jelly-home: hm |
| 15:08.35 | jonlin-afk | jelly-home: Guess so |
| 15:08.44 | jelly-home | irrelevant tho, if it works |
| 15:09.28 | jonlin-afk | jelly-home: doesn't throw-up a syntax error, so I guess it does lol |
| 15:09.38 | jelly-home | (II) R128(0): Not using mode "720x576" (vrefresh out of range) |
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| 15:14.44 | jonlin | jelly-home: gah... probably can't be done |
| 15:14.50 | amoe | Hello |
| 15:16.44 | jelly-home | jonlin: PAL modelines I've just stumbled along have a much lower dot clock |
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| 15:18.06 | jonlin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:18.13 | amanda-b | what is the customary place on a squeeze box to add an iptables set of rules so that it executes on boot? |
| 15:18.31 | abrotman | you write a script using iptables-restore |
| 15:18.38 | triptec1 | is there anyone who know how to put mail in the outgoing mail queue so I don't need to wait for the mail to get sent?? |
| 15:18.54 | valdyn | amanda-b: couldnt find the thing for xvnc? |
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| 15:19.02 | Wyzard | amanda-b: It'd be a good idea to use a firewall package (I recommend firehol) rather than writing rules by hand, though... it's more maintainable |
| 15:19.20 | jelly-home | jonlin: the ranges are what your TV is capable of. The dotclock is how fast the pixels are written (and affect HorizSync directly and VertRefresh indirectly) |
| 15:19.28 | valdyn | ..and does the right thing on runlevel changes or ifup / ifdown |
| 15:19.29 | jelly-home | jonlin: eg. Modeline "PALi" 14.16 704 756 828 976 552 556 589 629 +hsync +vsync Interlace |
| 15:19.32 | amanda-b | valdyn: as far as i can tell, it only permits you to control (indirectly, at that) which port vncserver listens to. |
| 15:19.34 | jonlin | jelly-home: right, thanks |
| 15:19.41 | valdyn | amanda-b: -localhost |
| 15:19.44 | amanda-b | Wyzard: overkill. i want to drop packets coming into exactly two ports, and that's it. |
| 15:19.50 | jelly-home | jonlin: 704x552, but a much lower dot clock |
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| 15:20.16 | jelly-home | jonlin: or Modeline "720x576_50i" 13.88 720 742 808 888 576 580 583 625 -hsync -vsync interlace |
| 15:21.39 | jelly-home | jonlin: gotten from http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:mgSWI0wjDEEJ:pvr.geek.nz/w/index.php/X_Modelines+720+576i+PAL+modeline&hl=hr&gl=hr&strip=1 |
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| 15:22.02 | jonlin | jelly-home: X is likely picking up the built-in monitor, and basing the range on that (usual resolution: 1024x768 @ 75hz) |
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| 15:22.21 | szymon_g | hi |
| 15:22.30 | jelly-home | jonlin: can you disable it? |
| 15:22.50 | h3xis | liable, the stable one worked as you suggested. no red screens :) |
| 15:23.07 | liable | h3xis: im burning a testing one atm |
| 15:23.14 | valdyn | triptec1: why would you need to wait for the mail to get sent? |
| 15:23.20 | jonlin | jelly-home: working on it... |
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| 15:23.46 | valdyn | triptec1: slow remote mail server? |
| 15:24.04 | jonlin | jelly-home: only thing I can think of is disabling it via Open Firmware before boot, but hell if I know how... (there are NO tutorials on the interwebs either) |
| 15:24.05 | liable | h3xis: gimme 5, i'll be back after a quick test |
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| 15:24.38 | triptec1 | valdyn: well no, I've got a local sendmail, and it seems it waits untill the mail is sent and not just put in the queue |
| 15:24.44 | h3xis | liable, k |
| 15:24.50 | jelly-home | jonlin: I don't see X picking up anything in the log, though |
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| 15:24.57 | valdyn | triptec1: it waits till its in the local mail queue |
| 15:25.00 | Speereet | Is there a wya I can get a netinst for etch (debian-4)? |
| 15:25.08 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:25.24 | valdyn | triptec1: or your mua waits till it passwed its mail to your local sendmail |
| 15:25.26 | triptec1 | valdyn: shouldn't that be instant? |
| 15:25.52 | valdyn | triptec1: yea, if you dont use a 286 computer, i guess |
| 15:26.02 | triptec1 | acually im sending from php, but I tried with mutt and same wait |
| 15:26.12 | jonlin | jelly-home: then I don't know ^^ |
| 15:26.20 | valdyn | triptec1: now why is your local sendmail that slow? why are you even using sendmail? |
| 15:26.30 | szymon_g | ekhm, what are default groups for normal, desktop user in debian lenny (i just messed it up, i have to add them by hand, and i have to be sure that i wont ommit one) |
| 15:26.32 | abrotman | Speereet: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r8/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r8-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso |
| 15:26.39 | valdyn | triptec1: a) its not really local ? |
| 15:26.43 | Speereet | Thank you very much, abrotman. |
| 15:27.21 | valdyn | triptec1: b) computer is under heavy load making sendmail slow too ? |
| 15:27.21 | triptec1 | valdyn: I got my self a VPN running debian and sendmail was installed from the beginning |
| 15:27.26 | jelly-home | jonlin: what does "xvidtune -show" say, when X is running in the borked mode? |
| 15:27.37 | valdyn | triptec1: maybe you mean vps |
| 15:27.39 | Speereet | By the way, is there an EASY way to get my GCC to cross compile? (Other than compiling ALL libraries, and GCC by hand.) |
| 15:28.09 | valdyn | triptec1: that vps might be insanely slow, i wouldnt know that |
| 15:28.30 | triptec1 | valdyn: but everything else seems okay |
| 15:28.42 | valdyn | triptec1: mutt runs the sendmail command, which hands over mail to the local mta mail queue |
| 15:28.42 | triptec1 | but thanks anyway |
| 15:28.59 | valdyn | triptec1: thats all, if that is slow, then sendmail is configured funny or the vps is slow |
| 15:29.30 | jonlin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.30 | jonlin | Module Loader present |
| 15:29.35 | jonlin | oops |
| 15:29.59 | jonlin | jelly-home: ' "1680x1050" 147.14 1680 1784 1968 2256 1050 1051 1054 1087' |
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| 15:30.26 | jelly-home | jonlin: does that match your internal display? |
| 15:30.38 | liable | h3xis: meh, the businesscard is broken in another way :P |
| 15:30.59 | jonlin | jelly-home: no; max. resolution's 1024x768 @ 75hz |
| 15:30.59 | h3xis | liable, how is that |
| 15:31.09 | liable | missing kernel modules |
| 15:31.21 | h3xis | liable haha i got that error too. thought it was just me |
| 15:31.25 | jelly-home | jonlin: I'll have to say wtf to that. |
| 15:31.35 | jonlin | jelly-home: likewise |
| 15:31.39 | jelly-home | jonlin: can you upgrade to lenny temporarily? |
| 15:31.45 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 15:31.52 | jonlin | heh |
| 15:32.48 | liable | h3xis: you tried the business card too? |
| 15:33.00 | h3xis | liable, yeah |
| 15:33.02 | liable | bleh, my net is slow |
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| 15:33.58 | jonlin | jelly-home: chance of it making any difference? lol |
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| 15:34.30 | TTimo | hello. can anyone recommend a way to set default system wide umask on debian? |
| 15:34.44 | TTimo | e.g. change the default for all users |
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| 15:35.14 | jelly-home | jonlin: xrandr 1.2 capable drivers might show whether your card is capable of driving the outputs independently. |
| 15:35.21 | amanda-b | iptables -A INPUT -j DROP -i eth0 --dport 5901 ... is that about correct to drop traffic on eth0 on port 5901? |
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| 15:35.44 | TTimo | yeah |
| 15:35.52 | jelly-home | jonlin: with xorg 7.1, you'd need to configure two outputs in xorg.conf |
| 15:35.58 | valdyn | amanda-b: why dont you use REJECT? |
| 15:36.16 | valdyn | amanda-b: the signal anyone knocking that you have something to hide at those 2 ports? |
| 15:36.18 | TTimo | amanda-b: I like DROP better than reject .. leaves hostiles guessing |
| 15:36.19 | jonlin | jelly-home: oooh, ok :D |
| 15:36.31 | valdyn | TTimo: hardly |
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| 15:36.51 | valdyn | TTimo: not with 64k ports being on REJECT |
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| 15:37.12 | jelly-home | jonlin: it might also break your xorg completely since the hardware is rather old and xorg tends to break for old hw |
| 15:37.18 | TTimo | I never REJECT, if it hits the firewall it's always a DROP |
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| 15:37.47 | jonlin | jelly-home: meh, has done ok so far ... mostly |
| 15:37.49 | TTimo | anyway .. umask ? |
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| 15:39.14 | valdyn | !wayttd TTimo |
| 15:39.14 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, TTimo? |
| 15:39.54 | TTimo | k |
| 15:39.58 | TTimo | fuck off yall :) |
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| 15:40.14 | liable | hmm |
| 15:41.26 | |unjustice| | does anyone know what (S) means, if it is next to a drive listed in an array? I tried to sync my RAID 5 4 or 5 times, and I keep getting an error that says the drive is "non-fresh" |
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| 15:42.24 | valdyn | |unjustice|: S is hot spare |
| 15:42.48 | valdyn | |unjustice|: how are you trying to sync it? whats the contents of /proc/mdstat |
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| 15:44.42 | |unjustice| | sorry, I missed that...cna you post one more time? |
| 15:45.24 | RoenieSrvr | <valdyn> |unjustice|: S is hot spare |
| 15:45.24 | RoenieSrvr | <valdyn> |unjustice|: how are you trying to sync it? whats the contents of /proc/mdstat |
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| 15:46.32 | RoenieSrvr | i suggest you use http://paste.lisp.org for said content |
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| 15:47.04 | jetscreamer | !lastlog |
| 15:47.04 | dpkg | /lastlog <searchterm> |
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| 15:47.19 | jetscreamer | /lastlog valdyn |
| 15:47.24 | jetscreamer | for instance |
| 15:47.26 | g00se | Surprising (to me) i have a remote NFS partition mounted on /h. That remote partition has another disk mounted on /bk. I can write to /h/bk as my normal user, but not as root. Why and how can i arrange so i can? |
| 15:48.00 | valdyn | thats what root-squash does? |
| 15:48.02 | valdyn | i dont know |
| 15:48.45 | g00se | valdyn: Is that to me? |
| 15:48.50 | valdyn | g00se: yea |
| 15:49.08 | valdyn | g00se: i didnt think that bk should even be visible, but maybe it only isnt visible if you used the nfs kernel server |
| 15:49.13 | g00se | valdyn: Well i was thinking about that, but there's nothing explictly set |
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| 15:51.23 | g00se | valdyn: Here's /etc/exports on remote: http://pastebin.com/f3157c551 |
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| 15:51.36 | KC | hrm |
| 15:52.04 | KC | when I make a partition, how do i assign it read/write permission for any user? |
| 15:52.08 | g00se | valdyn: Maybe there's root squashing by default? |
| 15:52.16 | jelly-home | g00se: do you want root's files to appear with uid 0 on the server side? |
| 15:52.29 | jelly-home | g00se: yes, root_squash _is_ default |
| 15:52.52 | valdyn | g00se: look at his original problem |
| 15:52.53 | g00se | jelly-home: Not sure. Probably |
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| 15:53.22 | g00se | jelly-home: So i'd have to say no root squash somewhere? |
| 15:53.30 | TCW | KC, chmod / chown / chgrp / posicx ACLs, but I strongly advise you read a bit about unix rights and permissions first |
| 15:53.36 | TCW | posix even |
| 15:53.44 | jelly-home | g00se: depends on what you want to accomplish |
| 15:53.49 | valdyn | !wikifaq KC Permissions |
| 15:53.49 | dpkg | KC: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 15:54.10 | KC | chmod / chown / chgrp <-- aren't those for files? |
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| 15:54.25 | jelly-home | g00se: a good question is why you even need root to write to nfs shares |
| 15:54.28 | valdyn | KC: thats what you need, you do not touch "partitions" |
| 15:54.32 | g00se | jelly-home: Just don't want to be squashed. /h/bk needs to be written to from /etc/init.d script |
| 15:54.42 | valdyn | KC: you touch directories and files. |
| 15:54.43 | TCW | KC, see the link dpkg gave you... don't assume something, read documentation about the stuff first |
| 15:55.14 | valdyn | KC: /path/to/mountpoint is a directory, /dev/sda4 refers to a partition, dont touch that |
| 15:55.14 | g00se | jelly-home: It's rsyncing to /h/bk |
| 15:55.25 | jelly-home | g00se: then you'll have to export with no_root_squash. This can be somewhat of a security issue. |
| 15:55.33 | KC | I kindof have to touch the partition |
| 15:55.40 | KC | the drive needs to be readable on every systenm |
| 15:55.41 | jelly-home | g00se: you could rsync via rsyncd or ssh instead |
| 15:55.47 | KC | and writable as well |
| 15:55.49 | valdyn | KC: for fucks sake, i said you dont need that |
| 15:55.50 | TCW | KC, touch the partition? What do you want to do there?! |
| 15:56.14 | KC | I need to make it so that buy default, *anybody* can read and write to the partition on an external drive |
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| 15:56.19 | jelly-home | g00se: doing it to nfs share is very unoptimal, since rsync thinks it's a local filesystem that way |
| 15:56.27 | valdyn | KC: you are confused |
| 15:56.28 | Polarina | How do I change the current locale to is_IS.UTF-8? |
| 15:56.43 | g00se | jelly-home: Hmm. Good point |
| 15:56.45 | valdyn | KC: in unix you change permissions on _filesystems_ |
| 15:56.51 | KC | is there a way to address the root folder of the partition with chmod? |
| 15:56.55 | TCW | KC, as said and as valdyn tried to make it absolutely clear, DON'T touch partitions / disks / blockdevices directly! |
| 15:57.02 | valdyn | KC: _filesystems_ are ON partititions, partitions are on disks |
| 15:57.03 | jelly-home | g00se: (and it just copies changed files since it's "fast") |
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| 15:57.31 | g00se | jelly-home: What would rsyncd do if the remote were not up? |
| 15:57.49 | jelly-home | g00se: um, rsyncd _is_ remote? :-) |
| 15:57.53 | KC | Fine, whatever, how the hell do I do it? |
| 15:57.58 | TCW | KC, yes there is a way... but you really want to read documentation about unix rights and permissions _before_! |
| 15:58.12 | KC | I UNDERSTAND THE FUCKING PERMISSION SYSTEM |
| 15:58.18 | jelly-home | g00se: rsync, however, would fail |
| 15:58.21 | TCW | KC, you don't |
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| 15:58.27 | g00se | jelly-home: The remote box would not necessarily be online |
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| 15:58.31 | valdyn | KC: its 100% clear that you dont. |
| 15:58.32 | jelly-home | <KC> is there a way to address the root folder of the partition with chmod? # it just works |
| 15:58.34 | TCW | geese... |
| 15:58.45 | jelly-home | g00se: the rsync will fail |
| 15:58.49 | jelly-home | then* |
| 15:58.52 | g00se | jelly-home: It also needs to be run every 15secs - is that a prob? |
| 15:59.04 | jelly-home | g00se: fuck what are you doing?? :-> |
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| 15:59.26 | valdyn | g00se: i think you dont want to use rsync for that |
| 15:59.29 | jelly-home | g00se: how much data? |
| 15:59.33 | g00se | jelly-home: Just making a homemade running backup ;-) |
| 15:59.46 | g00se | jelly-home: Very little |
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| 15:59.55 | jelly-home | g00se: a backup... running every 15secs? |
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| 16:00.02 | valdyn | theres some tool that keeps 2 directories synced |
| 16:00.06 | valdyn | was that unison? |
| 16:00.25 | TCW | valdyn, unison is more or less the same as rsync |
| 16:00.31 | valdyn | alright |
| 16:00.51 | TCW | but it has some advanced features... which cause headaches every once in a while :) |
| 16:00.55 | valdyn | should be something that relies on inotify... |
| 16:00.56 | g00se | jelly-home: I do a lot of work in the /tmp dir. If the box goes down i fucked |
| 16:01.15 | jelly-home | g00se: dude, /tmp is not used for that |
| 16:01.23 | TCW | g00se, no you are not... either boot in single user mode or from a live cd |
| 16:01.28 | g00se | Unison .. hmm |
| 16:01.45 | valdyn | g00se: you can also use raid actually |
| 16:01.52 | valdyn | g00se: if its not many files |
| 16:01.53 | g00se | TCW: Too messy really |
| 16:01.58 | valdyn | g00se: thats alot faster than 15 sec |
| 16:02.02 | Polarina | g00se: /tmp/ is used for application temporary data, not for your temporary work! |
| 16:02.16 | jelly-home | g00se: I have rsync jobs running */5 on production systems. Sure you could set them up to run every 15 seconds, but it doesn't really sound like a well thought out idea |
| 16:02.41 | g00se | Polarina: well i know that ;-) |
| 16:02.51 | valdyn | now *I* would play with raid to do this anyway |
| 16:02.57 | jelly-home | g00se: ask your admins to provide you with a better storage space |
| 16:03.03 | TCW | g00se, or as jelly-home noted... /tmp is not a place to work in... and don't try to fix your strange workflow system (working in /tmp) with some even mor strange fixes (unison/rsync/foo) |
| 16:03.28 | TCW | valdyn, no... you would just not work in /tmp ;) |
| 16:03.28 | g00se | jelly-home: There's probably a better way. I *am* the admins btw ;-) |
| 16:03.37 | valdyn | TCW: that too |
| 16:03.52 | TCW | g00se, why do you work in /tmp anyway? Is there a special reson to do so? |
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| 16:03.58 | jelly-home | TCW: I've seen developers place and run whole new app versions in /tmp. Guess what happened at reboot. |
| 16:04.14 | valdyn | thats hilarious |
| 16:04.25 | TCW | jelly-home, I know... such stauff happens to me too every once in a while :) |
| 16:04.27 | g00se | TCW: I find myself filling up with garbage otherwise - used to small disks |
| 16:04.42 | TCW | stuff even |
| 16:04.50 | TCW | g00se, huh?! |
| 16:04.58 | jelly-home | g00se: but your self 2 1TB disks for birthday and set up a raid1. |
| 16:05.01 | jelly-home | buy* |
| 16:05.09 | g00se | TCW: If it's important work then i don't work in /tmp of course |
| 16:05.12 | valdyn | g00se: why dont you use a ramdisk instead of tmp? thats FASTER ;) |
| 16:05.30 | macman_ | guys .. dumb question .. does a raid have to be hardware or can you buy say 2 external hd's and by software to make them raid ? |
| 16:05.43 | deb-eater | Finally i got fluxbox installed |
| 16:05.47 | valdyn | macman_: no, software raid is free |
| 16:06.44 | TCW | g00se, lack of diskspace but you want to have a backup on disk with rsync... sounds... oh no, I don't want to go deeper there :) |
| 16:06.44 | enouf | macman_: apt-cache show mdadm |
| 16:06.44 | valdyn | macman_: software raid is better than hardware raid in some aspects, and worse in others |
| 16:06.45 | g00se | raid wouln't help actually - unselective |
| 16:06.45 | valdyn | g00se: umm? |
| 16:06.45 | g00se | macman: you can do software raid |
| 16:06.45 | valdyn | g00se: you know that you can raid two files right? |
| 16:07.09 | g00se | valdyn: no i didn't actually |
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| 16:07.26 | macman_ | so you can buy 2 externals and raid them .. does it have to be configured via the bios ? |
| 16:07.32 | enouf | nno |
| 16:07.35 | valdyn | g00se: any file has all the relevant features of a block device |
| 16:07.39 | orTix | Hi, i got a question. Im building a new kernel on a dedi server but i get the following error: ld: final link failed: Memory exhausted |
| 16:07.48 | g00se | valdyn: When i grow up i'll probably run zfs actually |
| 16:07.50 | orTix | anybody knows what that means.. google is to stupid :') |
| 16:07.54 | TCW | macman_, everything happens in linux, no bios or any special hardware configuration needed |
| 16:08.01 | g00se | valdyn: True |
| 16:08.05 | valdyn | g00se: create 2 files with dd, raid them, start the raid, create fs, do silly work |
| 16:08.09 | macman_ | yea thats why linux pwns |
| 16:08.16 | enouf | macman_: as a matter of fact; BIOS raid is generally fakeraid |
| 16:08.59 | abrotman | though hardware raid controllers do have a bios |
| 16:09.04 | g00se | I'd like to run zfs on Debian but that might never be able to happen |
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| 16:09.37 | valdyn | g00se: btrfs in a year, no zfs |
| 16:09.40 | TCW | macman_, yes it does... works with pATA, sATA, USB, SCSI, even network block devices or _any_ sort of file / blockdevice |
| 16:10.20 | Polarina | TCW: It's PATA, not pATA. It's SATA, not sATA. |
| 16:10.32 | g00se | valdyn: That's a new one on me |
| 16:10.42 | valdyn | !btrfs |
| 16:10.42 | dpkg | it has been said that btrfs is a new copy on write filesystem for Linux aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Initially developed by Oracle, Btrfs is licensed under the GPL, see http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org, not ready for production use. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.29 and later. |
| 16:10.53 | dooper | slaps Polarina around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:11.04 | TCW | Polarina, I used that capitalization to clarify |
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| 16:11.41 | TCW | clarify things |
| 16:12.05 | jelly-home | Polarina: but it's eSATA! :-) |
| 16:12.17 | Polarina | jelly-home: Of course. |
| 16:12.28 | orTix | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.35 | dooper | who gives a fuck. everybody knew what he meant |
| 16:12.35 | jelly-home | makes me load the gun and go after marketeers |
| 16:12.39 | deb-eater | jelly-home: esata is second generation sata |
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| 16:12.46 | valdyn | orTix: it means you ran out of ram |
| 16:12.47 | gueux | hi |
| 16:12.51 | jelly-home | deb-eater: nope |
| 16:12.58 | TCW | Polarina, or if you want "parallel ATA" and "serial ATA"... but my main point is to make something understandable and not to be dumb-ass-specific-about-thespecs :-P |
| 16:13.02 | Polarina | deb-eater: No. eSATA is just for external SATA drives. |
| 16:13.07 | orTix | valdyn not true, i got enough ram left |
| 16:13.14 | jelly-home | deb-eater: well, yes but not intergchangeable |
| 16:13.14 | orTix | thats not the problem acutaly |
| 16:13.35 | deb-eater | thanks for staighting that of jelly-home and Polarina |
| 16:14.10 | deb-eater | orTix: How much ram can your motherboard support? |
| 16:14.18 | orTix | 16gb :X |
| 16:14.29 | orTix | and there is 1gb in it, and its not using 1gb at all |
| 16:14.41 | gueux | I'm trying to install debian. I've a problem with xorg: I can't launch it because it cannot find some modules (intel, mouse and kbd) |
| 16:14.44 | orTix | the kernel compiling had stopped and i wanted to start it again and after 2min it gave the error again |
| 16:14.56 | valdyn | orTix: is that on a debian system btw? |
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| 16:14.57 | jelly-home | gueux: which debian release? |
| 16:14.58 | deb-eater | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.02 | orTix | yes |
| 16:15.09 | gueux | I've installed kbd |
| 16:15.16 | gueux | jelly-home: testing |
| 16:15.17 | valdyn | orTix: you have limits set? |
| 16:15.22 | orTix | deb-eater the server is 800 km located from my house ;) |
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| 16:15.44 | jelly-home | gueux: is there a reason for using testing? |
| 16:15.47 | orTix | valdyn yes 2 gb |
| 16:15.52 | deb-eater | gueux: Are you running squeeze? |
| 16:15.52 | orTix | like google said ;] |
| 16:15.59 | valdyn | orTix: 2GB for what? |
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| 16:16.09 | orTix | ram |
| 16:16.18 | valdyn | orTix: hmm? |
| 16:16.21 | orTix | like |
| 16:16.22 | gueux | deb-eater: what is squeeze? |
| 16:16.23 | Wyzard | orTix: When you say "it's not using 1gb at all", how are you measuring that? |
| 16:16.26 | valdyn | orTix: thats a hardware limit for process size |
| 16:16.30 | gueux | jelly-home: yes |
| 16:16.31 | valdyn | orTix: on 32-bit systems |
| 16:16.34 | orTix | Wyzard a tool |
| 16:16.45 | orTix | you can see how much mem he is using :x |
| 16:16.48 | TCW | orTix, what tool? |
| 16:16.57 | valdyn | orTix: did you change things in /etc/security/limits.conf ? |
| 16:16.57 | jelly-home | gueux: could you expand on it? Things are often broken in testing and unstable. |
| 16:16.58 | gueux | do you know where I can find these modules? |
| 16:17.02 | deb-eater | gueux: Squeeze is the current testing branch of debian |
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| 16:17.14 | Wyzard | orTix: Are you checking the memory usage after getting the error message? |
| 16:17.16 | gueux | deb-eater: so, yes |
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| 16:17.28 | Wyzard | orTix: or are you checking it while the linker is actually running? |
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| 16:17.44 | orTix | not fo fast :D |
| 16:17.46 | orTix | so* |
| 16:17.49 | Bassmaster | hallo? |
| 16:17.52 | gueux | jelly-home: I need some recent packages for some tools |
| 16:18.03 | gueux | (xmonad for example) |
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| 16:19.00 | jelly-home | gueux: if you're not a experienced user, and it's a small number of newer packages, it's probably better to use debian stable and backport the packages you need. |
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| 16:19.22 | jelly-home | judd: versions xmonad |
| 16:19.24 | judd | jelly-home: xmonad -- lenny: 0.7-2 squeeze: 0.8-1 sid: 0.8.1-3 |
| 16:19.26 | valdyn | orTix: so? do you have limits set in limits.conf? |
| 16:19.33 | orTix | -=:18:16:56:=- <valdyn> orTix: did you change things in /etc/security/limits.conf ? <-- no |
| 16:19.40 | valdyn | ok |
| 16:19.47 | gueux | xmonad-contrib |
| 16:19.50 | orTix | however i did used: ulimit -n 400 |
| 16:19.51 | orTix | :X |
| 16:19.52 | gueux | and so |
| 16:20.00 | gueux | but there are a lot more |
| 16:20.14 | orTix | i cant remember the memory thing |
| 16:20.15 | orTix | command |
| 16:20.27 | orTix | let me think sec |
| 16:20.31 | triptec1 | valdyn: the thing with the slow mta seemed to have something todo with the headers of the mail, with correct ones its instant... |
| 16:20.49 | valdyn | orTix: so try again without those restrictions set |
| 16:21.03 | valdyn | triptec1: i see |
| 16:21.06 | Wyzard | orTix: The point is that unless you're somehow measuring the linker's peak memory usage, saying that your system isn't using its full 1GB of RAM is meaningless |
| 16:21.18 | jelly-home | gueux: I guess you can wait a few days until all the xorg packages become installable. |
| 16:21.24 | deb-eater | Is there a package that has similar functions to sysstat on Solaris and freebsd aviliable for debian? |
| 16:21.35 | orTix | Wyzard im just using a second cli |
| 16:21.37 | valdyn | Wyzard: he probably ran out of file descriptors |
| 16:21.38 | orTix | and using: free -m |
| 16:21.43 | jelly-home | deb-eater: what does it do? |
| 16:21.43 | orTix | while compiling |
| 16:21.55 | valdyn | Wyzard: 400 might not be enough at all |
| 16:22.03 | orTix | valdyn: i did also do; limit descriptors 400 |
| 16:22.04 | Wyzard | valdyn: Running out of file descriptors wouldn't trigger a "memory exhausted" message, would it? |
| 16:22.07 | orTix | :X |
| 16:22.25 | valdyn | Wyzard: i dont know, but running out of ram would trigger something else |
| 16:22.29 | deb-eater | jelly-home: I sllows you to see memory and hard disk read and write activity |
| 16:22.33 | valdyn | Wyzard: im sure hes not running out of ram.. |
| 16:22.40 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 16:22.43 | gueux | jelly-home: oh, ok it is a known problem? |
| 16:22.52 | valdyn | Wyzard: on some bsd its stack |
| 16:22.59 | orTix | yes thats true valdyn |
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| 16:23.04 | Wyzard | Well, I can certainly imagine 400 descriptors being too few for linking a kernel |
| 16:23.04 | valdyn | Wyzard: with his limits this is silly to debug |
| 16:23.20 | jelly-home | deb-eater: there's vmstat, iostat (in sysstat package), and iotop |
| 16:23.29 | jintxo | I wouldn't be very surprised if I artificially set limits to memory usage and file descriptors and then things started to give weird "ran out of X" errors, myself ... especially kernel compiles and the sort. |
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| 16:24.02 | valdyn | 400 is barely enough to start some gnome programs |
| 16:24.31 | jelly-home | gueux: there was a recent upgrade of xorg in unstable; I'm guessing it started trickling to testing. |
| 16:24.46 | orTix | im trying it with a higher value |
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| 16:25.01 | valdyn | orTix: why dont you remove that nonsense limit? |
| 16:25.12 | jintxo | orTix, why don't you remove the limits you are artifiially setting and the ntry again? you are not being very reasonable about this |
| 16:25.14 | orTix | hmm good point |
| 16:25.14 | valdyn | orTix: it doesnt do anything useful, does it? |
| 16:25.53 | orTix | its still busy |
| 16:26.05 | RoenieSrvr | is it possible to: install grub to /boot instead of the mbr, then install windows, then wipe the mbr... will grub be able to load if the /boot partition is flagged bootable? |
| 16:26.29 | jelly-home | RoenieSrvr: yes. |
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| 16:26.38 | RoenieSrvr | ty |
| 16:26.48 | jelly-home | RoenieSrvr: if by /boot you mean the partition's boot sector |
| 16:27.10 | valdyn | jelly-home: the partitions boot sector is read by the bios when exactly? |
| 16:27.26 | jelly-home | valdyn: chainloaded from mbr |
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| 16:27.40 | valdyn | jelly-home: thats not a cleared mbr though |
| 16:27.55 | valdyn | jelly-home: windows mbr does that? |
| 16:28.03 | deb-eater | RoenieSrvr: If duel bootingg it is strongluy recommended to install windows first leaving enoughdisk space for linux and then install your linux distribution of choice. |
| 16:28.07 | jelly-home | RoenieSrvr: oh right, skip the "wiping mbr" part |
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| 16:28.31 | jelly-home | valdyn: DOS...XP MBR does |
| 16:28.33 | RoenieSrvr | i have done that, deb-eater, and have been running that dualboot config for a long time |
| 16:28.38 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: windows actually has a nice boot manager that can chainload whichever boot record of whichever partition |
| 16:28.44 | RoenieSrvr | recently reinstallted windows and it obviously overwrote the mbr |
| 16:28.59 | RoenieSrvr | so i was just wondering, if theres an easier way to do the recovery next time |
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| 16:29.04 | oxi | hi |
| 16:29.09 | jelly-home | valdyn: boots the "bootable" partition, that's why exactly one has to be bootable |
| 16:29.12 | oxi | is anyone using a java email server? |
| 16:29.15 | RoenieSrvr | by writing grub to the boot sector of the linux partition |
| 16:29.27 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: i dont know about the boot flag, but if grub is on any partitions boot record then windows can chainload it |
| 16:29.29 | RoenieSrvr | so if windows overwrites the mbr i can just wipe it and presto |
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| 16:30.12 | RoenieSrvr | have to go, thanks guys, bbl |
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| 16:31.20 | jelly-home | boots from a copy of grub in C:grub-sda2 |
| 16:32.06 | orTix | still running ;p |
| 16:32.40 | jelly-home | oxi: is there one in Debian? |
| 16:32.58 | oxi | jelly-home: I guess no |
| 16:33.34 | oxi | jelly: but I hoped there would be some sys admins in here who tried some java stuff |
| 16:34.35 | jelly-home | oxi: surely they wouldn't discuss offtopic themes in here! |
| 16:34.58 | oxi | jelly-home: alright! sorry. :-) |
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| 16:35.53 | sprax | so I'm trying to do aptitude safe-upgrade and it keeps trying to install X even though my box is headless and doesn't have X right now. |
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| 16:38.41 | alex12 | sprax: put its head back on |
| 16:39.40 | sprax | alex12 it's a pentium 3... |
| 16:40.02 | SQlvpapir | sprax: try installing w/o recommends |
| 16:40.15 | enouf | try -R iirc |
| 16:41.07 | sprax | SQlvpapir I put APT::Install-Recommends "false"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 16:41.09 | sprax | no dice |
| 16:41.41 | enouf | try /conf.d/98-recommends and use apt-get |
| 16:42.09 | enouf | no dice doesn |
| 16:42.13 | sprax | is it apt-get safe-upgrade? |
| 16:42.18 | enouf | no dice isn't clear |
| 16:42.18 | sprax | erm |
| 16:42.23 | sprax | apt-get install safe-upgrade |
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| 16:42.42 | et | sprax: which debian version? |
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| 16:43.07 | enouf | is Xorg being pulled in as a Recommends or not? |
| 16:43.11 | sprax | et trying to go from etch to lenny |
| 16:43.17 | jelly-home | sprax: pastebin the (complete) output of aptitude safe-upgrade, please |
| 16:43.21 | sprax | not as a reccomend |
| 16:43.51 | SQlvpapir | sprax: have you chosen the desktop package on original install and then later removed X or something like that? |
| 16:43.54 | jelly-home | sprax: which step of the release notes are you on? |
| 16:43.56 | enouf | well. then nothing you do with Recommends is going to help .. it's not a Suggests, is it? |
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| 16:44.47 | sprax | I just changed my sources.list |
| 16:44.55 | kunal | hi. having problems connecting to my wireless. i cant get a response from dhclient |
| 16:44.58 | sprax | did the aptitude update and aptitude install aptitude |
| 16:45.29 | kunal | iwconfig gives me an acess point and essid alright. also has encryptionkey loaded |
| 16:45.34 | SQlvpapir | sprax: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 16:46.04 | jelly-home | sprax: alright. are you able to pastebin that output? |
| 16:46.18 | orTix | ehmm valdyn i think i find something |
| 16:46.21 | enouf | sprax: if you manually removed part/pieces/most of X after installed; you might need to /msg dpkg unmarkauto (or something) |
| 16:46.26 | orTix | after kernel compiling (stopt again with a error) |
| 16:46.26 | orTix | ks36597:/usr/src/linux# pico /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 16:46.26 | orTix | -bash: start_pipeline: pgrp pipe: Too many open files |
| 16:46.26 | orTix | -bash: /usr/bin/pico: Too many open files |
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| 16:46.49 | orTix | i cant typ any command ;p |
| 16:47.00 | sprax | enouf I installed off the CD without X |
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| 16:47.05 | sprax | my wife is requesting my presense |
| 16:47.07 | sprax | thanks for your help |
| 16:47.16 | sprax | I'll get the output on pastebin and try again later |
| 16:47.17 | enouf | sprax: Xorg is the metapackage .. |
| 16:47.26 | sprax | its trying to do x-common |
| 16:47.31 | bananahands | hi I am trying to figure out how to sync my RAID 5, but one of my disks is marked (S) I keep getting errors regarding "non-fresh" being in the array,l but resyncing does not work. I have md0 (RAID 1) and md1 (RAID 5) |
| 16:47.37 | bananahands | Anyone know how to get it up and running? |
| 16:48.02 | gongat | http://www.ihatemindy.com/index.php?c=viral&m=index&id=60d9623105a2cbd8cecae0f8bdb4dd77 |
| 16:48.10 | deb-eater | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.11 | Wyzard | bananahands: I think (S) indicates a hot spare |
| 16:48.11 | valdyn | orTix: whats the output for ulimit -x |
| 16:48.30 | Wyzard | bananahands: pastebin /proc/mdstat |
| 16:48.33 | orTix | ks36597:/usr/src/linux# ulimit -x |
| 16:48.33 | orTix | unlimited |
| 16:48.35 | valdyn | bananahands: you were here earlier? |
| 16:48.39 | bananahands | Wyzard: I think so too, but I cannot add it to the array even if I remove it first |
| 16:48.59 | bananahands | yeah |
| 16:49.02 | boghog | i don't understand sysv.. is there a difference between disabling a service by deleting the symlinks in rc*.d, or renaming it so that it has a 'K' prefix? do both accomplish the same thing? |
| 16:49.02 | orTix | i must reboot the box now, because its crashing |
| 16:49.03 | orTix | :X |
| 16:49.10 | valdyn | orTix: so you set limits in /proc |
| 16:49.19 | Wyzard | bananahands: a spare device is brought into active use and synced automatically when another device fails out of the array |
| 16:49.23 | valdyn | orTix: please dont come back asking for support when those stupid limits are set |
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| 16:49.38 | boghog | i'm reading the manpage for update-rc.d but it confuses me :/ |
| 16:49.59 | orTix | valdyn at the begin there were no limits or anything just a fresh intsall |
| 16:50.02 | Wyzard | bananahands: Until then, it's not synced with the array at all, so it shouldn't be the cause of your "non-fresh" error |
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| 16:50.09 | orTix | install*, then after i did the limits to try it. |
| 16:50.12 | enouf | boghog: /msg dpkg rcconf and save yourself the headaches |
| 16:50.21 | valdyn | boghog: if you rename the symlink, then it stais that way, if you delete it then an update of that package will reinstall the original symlink |
| 16:50.29 | bananahands | Wyzard: http://pastebin.com/m54925e29 |
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| 16:50.30 | kunal | sigh. i am associated with an access point but i am not getting a dhclient response. any idea why? |
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| 16:50.41 | jintxo | boghog, when the name of the file starts with a K the service will be stopped when going in to that runlevel. when S it will be started when going in to the runlevel |
| 16:50.48 | bananahands | Wyzard: I also tried writing to the drive, and it workedno problems |
| 16:51.04 | bananahands | Wyzard: still, not sure how to sync it...it consistently fails |
| 16:51.09 | enouf | and .. if you use update-rc.d to remove the symlinks - the latter will also occur upon update/upgrade |
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| 16:51.28 | boghog | hmm i see |
| 16:51.38 | valdyn | bananahands: your raids are fine, why the hell are you trying to sync? |
| 16:52.31 | bananahands | valdyn: how can I check that they are working? |
| 16:52.35 | Wyzard | bananahands: Does "mdadm --detail /dev/md1" work? |
| 16:52.48 | Wyzard | bananahands: I'm not sure if that works for an inactive array, but if it does, please pastebin the output |
| 16:52.51 | valdyn | bananahands: mdadm --stop /dev/md1; mdadm --start /dev/md1 |
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| 16:53.54 | bananahands | http://pastebin.com/m59818aed |
| 16:54.04 | bananahands | should I try and start it now? |
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| 16:54.32 | valdyn | bananahands: that raid is missing TWO block devices, sure you cant sync it |
| 16:54.32 | bananahands | I don't think it is supposed to be a spare |
| 16:55.06 | Wyzard | bananahands: looks like your array is supposed to have 4 disks, but only has two usable, so it can't assemble |
| 16:55.12 | valdyn | bananahands: recreate that raid |
| 16:55.15 | bananahands | goddamnit |
| 16:55.15 | Wyzard | err, can't start |
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| 16:55.28 | bananahands | I have created and recreated it multiple times |
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| 16:55.36 | bananahands | everytime I recreate one it boots a disk off of the other |
| 16:55.40 | valdyn | bananahands: where is the 4th disk though? |
| 16:55.44 | Wyzard | bananahands: You think sdd2 is supposed to go in slot 1 or 3 in the table at the end of the --detail output? |
| 16:55.52 | bananahands | yeah |
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| 16:55.58 | bananahands | but I cannot add it |
| 16:56.09 | valdyn | bananahands: its a broken raid |
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| 16:56.18 | valdyn | bananahands: you cannot simply add a disk or fix it |
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| 16:56.47 | valdyn | bananahands: why is this a 4 disk raid when i only see 3 disks? |
| 16:57.06 | enouf | zero the superblock and start again :-O (only if there's no data you want on those disks) |
| 16:57.12 | Wyzard | bananahands: If you know *which* slot sdd2 is supposed to go in, you could try doing "mdadm --create --assume-clean" to rebuild the array metadata and specify the devices in the correct order |
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| 16:57.31 | bananahands | http://pastebin.com/m63e2c0c4 |
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| 16:57.57 | bananahands | Wyzard: ? |
| 16:57.57 | superjoe | python-elementtree is broken in the squeeze repository |
| 16:57.58 | Wyzard | bananahands: You'd have to create it with the same parameters (use the "missing" keyword as the device in the slot where the fourth disk was supposed to go) |
| 16:58.02 | superjoe | anybody have info on this? |
| 16:58.10 | bananahands | hmmm |
| 16:58.16 | valdyn | there is 4 disks now |
| 16:58.35 | enouf | bananahands: have you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* ? |
| 16:58.36 | Wyzard | so you do have sdb2, which is presumably supposed to be part of this array |
| 16:58.41 | bananahands | right |
| 16:58.51 | Wyzard | but it's not actually part of the array right now |
| 16:58.58 | bananahands | sdb2 and sdd2 frequently get kicked off of the array |
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| 16:59.04 | bananahands | apparently i cannot just add them |
| 16:59.10 | bananahands | I need to remake the array? |
| 16:59.12 | valdyn | bananahands: why do they get kicked? |
| 16:59.17 | bananahands | I have no idea |
| 16:59.18 | Wyzard | That's a separate problem that you should address before trying to use the array any more |
| 16:59.21 | valdyn | bananahands: you should remake the array |
| 16:59.28 | bananahands | "non-fresh" |
| 16:59.30 | valdyn | bananahands: disks dont get kicked without reason |
| 16:59.33 | Wyzard | I've seen devices get kicked out due to I/O errors related to a bad cable, for example |
| 16:59.40 | bananahands | they all read/write fine |
| 16:59.43 | bananahands | and are all brand new |
| 16:59.59 | valdyn | bananahands: recreate it, lets see what happens |
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| 17:00.03 | enouf | all on the same controller? |
| 17:00.09 | jintxo | maybe because the superblock says they're part of another (earlier attempt at creating an) array, or something like that? |
| 17:00.14 | Wyzard | bananahands: Do you have important data on this array? |
| 17:00.30 | enouf | or are you trying some intel matrix garbage? |
| 17:00.36 | bananahands | no |
| 17:00.49 | bananahands | well |
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| 17:00.52 | bananahands | RAID 1 yes |
| 17:01.01 | valdyn | bananahands: why is the partition type linux raid autodetect? thats evil |
| 17:01.01 | Wyzard | on md1, I mean |
| 17:01.05 | bananahands | I have my xorg.conf and all my config stuff |
| 17:01.10 | bananahands | oh |
| 17:01.11 | valdyn | bananahands: its made for something that is deprecated long ago |
| 17:01.15 | Wyzard | (just wondering whether we should be trying to preserve its contents) |
| 17:01.16 | bananahands | not that i know of, should be clean |
| 17:01.20 | bananahands | no |
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| 17:01.23 | valdyn | bananahands: it might still be ok, but it should not be used |
| 17:01.30 | Wyzard | valdyn: I use that partition type on my arrays and I've never seen any problems |
| 17:01.30 | bananahands | ? |
| 17:01.43 | valdyn | Wyzard: me neither, but its still as i said |
| 17:01.57 | Wyzard | valdyn: What partition type should be used for an md-raid array component, if not that? |
| 17:02.03 | enouf | fd |
| 17:02.20 | valdyn | Wyzard: its doesnt really matter, but linux raid autodetect is for the _kernel_ autonomously assembling the raid |
| 17:02.44 | Wyzard | valdyn: as opposed to an initramfs or normal initscripts? |
| 17:02.48 | superjoe | what should I do about this bug? http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg637585.html |
| 17:02.51 | valdyn | Wyzard: yea |
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| 17:02.54 | superjoe | wait for it to be fixed? |
| 17:03.11 | bananahands | sorry, what is recreate command? "mdadm --create /dev/md1"? |
| 17:03.12 | Wyzard | hmm... I'll try changing mine to 0x83 at some point to see if it works |
| 17:03.41 | Wyzard | bananahands: That's the beginning of the command, but then you have to specify all the parameters for the array |
| 17:03.47 | bananahands | oh |
| 17:03.55 | bananahands | like whihc disks? |
| 17:04.08 | valdyn | bananahands: time to read the documentation |
| 17:04.17 | bananahands | I am |
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| 17:04.25 | bananahands | man mdadm is sort of a crappy one though |
| 17:04.28 | Wyzard | mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=5 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sd{a,b,c,d}2 |
| 17:04.32 | valdyn | bananahands: /usr/share/doc/mdadm |
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| 17:04.43 | bananahands | ah, gracias |
| 17:04.58 | Wyzard | Make sure you really don't have important data on the array before doing that |
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| 17:05.47 | Wyzard | bananahands: but that doesn't address the problem of why sdb2 and sdd2 got kicked out |
| 17:05.51 | bananahands | Wyzard: all of the disks should be empty, I have been wiating to load data on until the RAID is up |
| 17:05.57 | bananahands | agreed |
| 17:05.59 | Wyzard | You need to find the root cause of that and fix it, or it'll probably just happen again later |
| 17:06.07 | bananahands | I know |
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| 17:06.20 | Wyzard | I'd recommend doing some sort of I/O stress test (lots of disk activity on the array) to try to force it to happen, and then check dmesg when it does |
| 17:08.25 | Wyzard | I'd also recommend doing "smartctl -t long" on all four disks |
| 17:08.35 | Wyzard | (This is a good idea to do on *any* new disk before putting it into service) |
| 17:09.31 | bananahands | is that the stress test? |
| 17:09.35 | Wyzard | New disks are more likely to fail than ones that've been in service for awhile |
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| 17:09.48 | Wyzard | No, that's just the drive's internal self-test procedure (basically a bad-sector scan) |
| 17:10.01 | CompWizrd | what model and brand are the drives? |
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| 17:10.57 | Wyzard | bananahands: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathtub_curve -- the red line on the graph there is what you need to be concerned about with new disks |
| 17:10.58 | bananahands | seagate barracuda 7200 rpm drives |
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| 17:11.05 | Wyzard | Always do a full scan to make sure it doesn't have factory defects |
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| 17:11.57 | CompWizrd | bananahands: which model? |
| 17:12.07 | CompWizrd | some of the 7200.11's need firmware updates, for example |
| 17:12.20 | CompWizrd | and some of the .10's i _think_ had issues with raid that needed updates as well |
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| 17:13.28 | enouf | wait seagate bought Maxtor, and some maxtors had an issue with udma6 mode and needed to be in 5 instead |
| 17:13.48 | CompWizrd | enouf: and maxline's III would go to sleep |
| 17:13.56 | enouf | heh |
| 17:13.59 | CompWizrd | had a 15 drive raid5 that would randomly drop drives every couple days before i got that fixed |
| 17:14.08 | CompWizrd | even had some double drive raid5 failures, somehow never lost data |
| 17:14.10 | bananahands | Seagate BARRACUDA drive |
| 17:14.10 | bananahands | 7200-RPM S ATA |
| 17:14.10 | bananahands | 1000 GB ST31000333AS / |
| 17:14.11 | bananahands | 9FZ136-300 |
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| 17:14.20 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:14.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 17:14.25 | CompWizrd | bananahands: and the firmware? |
| 17:14.41 | bananahands | ? |
| 17:14.45 | CompWizrd | also, some of them have firmware issues where the drive will brick itself |
| 17:15.00 | bananahands | I have no idea what kind of firmware there is |
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| 17:15.34 | Wyzard | How does one upgrade the firmware on a hard drive? |
| 17:15.39 | soulchild | Hi all,... does anyone also hat some problem with the upgrade of perl-*tree ? |
| 17:15.45 | Wyzard | I've looked for firmware on Seagate's website and never found anything |
| 17:15.51 | jintxo | usually special tools provided by the manufacturer, Wyzard |
| 17:15.54 | bananahands | Wyzard: so...I cannot run smartctl unless I specify a drive, right? |
| 17:16.06 | CompWizrd | i think smartctl can be told to give you the firmware version, i'll look |
| 17:16.06 | valdyn | Wyzard: custom dos or windows tool from vendors |
| 17:16.20 | CompWizrd | yeah, seagate even provides you with a bootable .iso nowadays |
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| 17:16.24 | bananahands | pretty sure it is DOS |
| 17:16.30 | bananahands | but not positive |
| 17:16.31 | Wyzard | bananahands: yes, smartctl sends commands to a drive so you have to tell it which drive |
| 17:16.31 | CompWizrd | you put the cd in, reboot, it searches and updates |
| 17:16.52 | Wyzard | I guess what I really meant was, where does one get the firmware update from? |
| 17:17.02 | Wyzard | I've gone looking (though not recently) and been unable to find anything |
| 17:17.04 | valdyn | Wyzard: vendor too |
| 17:17.21 | Wyzard | bananahands: Run "smartctl -t long /dev/sda", for example, and it'll tell you how long the test will take |
| 17:17.30 | CompWizrd | smartctl -i /dev/sda will give you the firmware version |
| 17:17.39 | bananahands | yeah, I cannot get smartctl -t long /dev/sdb2 to work |
| 17:17.43 | Wyzard | bananahands: After that time has elapsed, run "smartctl -l selftest /dev/sda" to see the results |
| 17:17.45 | CompWizrd | bananahands: try /dev/sdb |
| 17:17.51 | CompWizrd | you don't run smartctl stuff on partitions |
| 17:17.52 | Wyzard | bananahands: You run it on a drive, not a partition |
| 17:18.07 | CompWizrd | but anyways, see what smartctl -i /dev/sda | grep "Firmware Version" says |
| 17:18.17 | Wyzard | bananahands: You should see a "completed without error" message in the drive's self-test log; if it says it's still in progress, wait awhile longer and check again |
| 17:18.19 | bananahands | yeah, something is missingin the command |
| 17:18.36 | soulchild | Did anyone also have problems with python-elementtree when upgrading testing ? |
| 17:18.40 | Wyzard | It'll probably take a few hours for a 1TB drive, but you can do all four in parallel |
| 17:19.04 | orTix | valdyn: I reinstall the box, and the output of ulimit -x is still "unlimit" so that means its not my found but the company where i "rent" the box |
| 17:19.04 | orTix | ;) |
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| 17:19.39 | valdyn | Wyzard: http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=207931 |
| 17:19.41 | ktebit | i changed few files |
| 17:19.45 | ktebit | how do i make a .patch file for them |
| 17:19.50 | ktebit | in order to make the changes again on another system |
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| 17:19.55 | valdyn | Wyzard: damn, thats probably german for you too, anyway they got firmware |
| 17:20.19 | Wyzard | valdyn: No, that page was served to me in English |
| 17:20.25 | jelly-home | Jaa. |
| 17:20.32 | bananahands | ya english |
| 17:20.38 | ktebit | any1? |
| 17:20.40 | bananahands | dern...so I need to contact them? |
| 17:20.44 | Wyzard | yay for HTTP content negotiation :-) |
| 17:21.03 | valdyn | bananahands: why are you concluding that you need new firmware or that your disks are broken at all? |
| 17:21.05 | CompWizrd | bananahands: what's the firmware on the 7200.11's? |
| 17:21.11 | bananahands | gaaaaa |
| 17:21.36 | CompWizrd | valdyn: because the 7200.11's have a lot of firmware issues especially with raid, it was worth a first look there |
| 17:21.48 | bananahands | how do I even check if they are broken> Smartctl doesn't work, the fact that the comp recognizes them and that I can read/write to them fine suggests to me that they are not broken |
| 17:21.49 | bananahands | BUT |
| 17:22.01 | valdyn | CompWizrd: sure, thats what you are doing, but he is already trying to get firmware before he even checked the version |
| 17:22.04 | bananahands | sdb2 and sdd2 ALWAYS fail when I try to sync them in an array |
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| 17:22.15 | jelly-home | smartctl -t long /dev/hdd on my 1TB drives tooks ~3 hours |
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| 17:22.16 | bananahands | so, the problem is probably with the configuration |
| 17:22.31 | valdyn | bananahands: have you checked dmesg? |
| 17:22.44 | bananahands | yes |
| 17:22.52 | Wyzard | bananahands: smartctl doesn't work? |
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| 17:23.10 | smacnay | Man, I am happy I migrated to "sid". My apps are working again (in Gnome). I think there were a lot of breaks in Gnome-related apps in "testing". |
| 17:23.11 | kunal | hello. i need to know which file contains the configuration for my wirless |
| 17:23.14 | kunal | can smoeone tell me |
| 17:23.50 | CompWizrd | oh yyeah, you can do it with hdparm too |
| 17:23.56 | CompWizrd | what does hdparm -i /dev/sda say? |
| 17:24.03 | CompWizrd | should say FwRec in the first line |
| 17:24.04 | bananahands | http://pastebin.com/m721415fe that is dmesg |
| 17:24.09 | bananahands | section anyway |
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| 17:24.19 | jelly-home | bananahands: what does eg. "smartctl -a /dev/sda" say? |
| 17:24.21 | sprax | thanks to everyone who was helping before with upgrading from etch to lenny. Seems I was just confused. It wants to upgrade x11-common, but it's not trying to install xorg. Thanks for your time and sorry for the trouble. |
| 17:24.55 | bananahands | command not found |
| 17:25.00 | jelly-home | bananahands: heh |
| 17:25.10 | jelly-home | bananahands: install smartmontools, then |
| 17:25.50 | valdyn | bananahands: that error means that you still have an old superblock on that device |
| 17:26.14 | kunal | can anyone tell me where i can find the configuration for wireless? |
| 17:26.20 | bananahands | http://pastebin.com/m40b3a5df |
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| 17:26.30 | bananahands | okay it works now, thanks jelly-home |
| 17:26.39 | kunal | which folder has it? |
| 17:27.06 | jelly-home | bananahands: you can now enable smart support for all the drives, and do a short test for starters, if you want |
| 17:27.29 | Wyzard | jelly-home: It's a new drive, so I was recommending doing a long SMART test |
| 17:27.40 | bananahands | yeah, that sounds alright |
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| 17:27.50 | kunal | which file has configuration for wireless lan? |
| 17:27.52 | CompWizrd | ok, cc1f doesn't have the firmware issues |
| 17:27.55 | CompWizrd | check all 4 of your drives though |
| 17:28.06 | kunal | i need to configure my wireless connection, which file will allow me to do it. |
| 17:28.09 | liable | kunal: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:28.17 | kunal | thanks! are you sure? |
| 17:28.22 | kunal | is that for wireless too |
| 17:28.31 | valdyn | that error is pretty clearly just "unclean" disks, not hardware errors |
| 17:28.31 | liable | kunal: if its wpa, you can also have a wpasupplicant.conf file |
| 17:28.42 | kunal | i am not getting a dhclient response - i have a WEP protection |
| 17:28.52 | valdyn | but what am i googleing for others =/ |
| 17:29.13 | kunal | liable: I am already associated but I am not getting a dhclient response. |
| 17:29.15 | kunal | any idea why? |
| 17:29.37 | bananahands | Wyzard: how do I turn smartctl on to enable for the long test? |
| 17:29.40 | liable | kunal: when you say associated, you have a signal strength and it shows the ap's mac? |
| 17:29.46 | bananahands | smartctl -t long /dev/sda is not complete |
| 17:29.50 | bananahands | needs something else |
| 17:29.58 | mrec__ | hi, there's a tool available for capturing what someone is doing on the console (eg. for creating a howto) .. but I somehow lost its name.. does anyone recall something like that? |
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| 17:30.07 | kunal | yes |
| 17:30.14 | kunal | liable: i have a signal strenght |
| 17:30.18 | Wyzard | bananahands: Do you get an error message when trying to run that? |
| 17:30.21 | bananahands | "Use option -s with argument 'on' to enable it" |
| 17:30.32 | kunal | i also have an encryption key displayed |
| 17:30.51 | liable | kunal: then you should check your key. it can show a key for wep, but it doesnt mean its correct |
| 17:30.52 | bananahands | Wyzard: so, I add --s at the end? |
| 17:31.03 | bananahands | er -s on? |
| 17:31.09 | Wyzard | hmm, I guess that makes sense since SMART isn't currently enabled on the drive |
| 17:31.11 | Wyzard | yeah, try that |
| 17:31.23 | jelly-home | bananahands: smartctl -s on /dev/whatever |
| 17:31.32 | Wyzard | or you might need to run "smartctl -s on /dev/sda" as a separate command before telling it to do the test |
| 17:31.35 | jelly-home | smartctl -s on /dev/sd? :-) |
| 17:31.43 | bananahands | cool, it is running |
| 17:31.48 | kunal | liable: it show my key as XXXX-XXX-XX |
| 17:31.50 | bananahands | 204 minutes, can I come back later? |
| 17:32.01 | kunal | could there be a problem there? |
| 17:32.08 | bananahands | probably a different group will be in |
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| 17:32.13 | jelly-home | Wyzard: _that's_ why I suggested the short test first |
| 17:32.25 | bananahands | meh, I will test all of the disks and come back with any known problems |
| 17:32.27 | Wyzard | bananahands: FYI, that time estimate is assuming there's no other I/O on the disk |
| 17:32.38 | kunal | liable:i'll try to restart my system |
| 17:32.42 | bananahands | meaning, do not write to disks during test |
| 17:32.56 | Wyzard | bananahands: If you generate disk activity (e.g. setting up the RAID array) it'll slow down the test |
| 17:33.15 | bananahands | I have to lean anyway, I will stay online, but I have to duckout for a bit |
| 17:33.22 | Wyzard | Run "smartctl -l selftest /dev/sda" now and you'll see "test in progress" or something like that at the end |
| 17:33.27 | bananahands | yeah |
| 17:33.30 | bananahands | it is already going |
| 17:33.37 | bananahands | oh |
| 17:33.48 | Wyzard | That line will change to something else (hopefully "completed without error") when the test is done |
| 17:33.54 | Wyzard | There's no other indication to tell you it finished |
| 17:34.38 | bananahands | http://pastebin.com/m7d301a20 |
| 17:34.55 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 17:35.15 | bananahands | cool |
| 17:35.16 | bananahands | bbl |
| 17:35.26 | Wyzard | That 90% is supposed to be some sort of progress indication, I think, but I've never seen it provide any sort of meaningful estimate, so just ignore it |
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| 17:38.22 | RoenieSrvr | what the... mount -t reiserfs /dev/sdc3 /location works |
| 17:38.48 | RoenieSrvr | but grub-install /dev/sdc returns "/dev/sdc: Not found or not a block device" |
| 17:39.24 | RoenieSrvr | how's that possible, am i missing something? |
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| 17:40.17 | ProN00b | how do i use kvm ? |
| 17:40.32 | valdyn | ProN00b: rtfm |
| 17:40.53 | soulchild | Did anyone also have problems with python-elementtree when upgrading testing ? |
| 17:40.57 | liable | noob |
| 17:41.18 | valdyn | soulchild: python broke recently in sid |
| 17:41.34 | soulchild | but it then should go into testing ? |
| 17:41.36 | valdyn | soulchild: i dont know if your thing might not be related, try reinstalling packages containing missing python packages |
| 17:41.39 | soulchild | not* |
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| 17:42.12 | valdyn | soulchild: well I didnt see or write a useful bug report about it |
| 17:42.23 | ProN00b | valdyn, wtf |
| 17:42.32 | valdyn | soulchild: so what exactly is the error? |
| 17:42.33 | ProN00b | what manual |
| 17:42.45 | valdyn | ProN00b: dont wtf me |
| 17:42.56 | valdyn | ProN00b: documentation |
| 17:43.17 | valdyn | ProN00b: theres a kvm package, it contains documentation |
| 17:43.34 | kunal | liable: how do i configure my encryption settings? |
| 17:43.55 | liable | kunal: in interfaces? |
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| 17:44.33 | superjoe | python-elementtree is broken in the squeeze repository |
| 17:44.35 | kunal | liable: i am pretty darn sure my encryption key is correct. |
| 17:44.41 | liable | kunal: zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 17:44.45 | superjoe | other packages that I want to install depend on it |
| 17:44.49 | superjoe | what should I do |
| 17:44.56 | valdyn | superjoe: what exactly is the error? |
| 17:45.12 | exif | A short lenny/ipv6 question - How can I find out whether IPV6 is enabled or not? (I am trying to disable it, but am unsure on whether I succeed - lsmod|grep ipv6 returns nothing, but ifconfig displays an ipv6 address and netstat displays tcp6 entries) |
| 17:45.28 | superjoe | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg637585.html |
| 17:45.29 | Wyzard | exif: Are you using a stock Debian kernel, or a custom one? |
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| 17:45.33 | superjoe | valdyn: ^^ |
| 17:45.35 | exif | stock |
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| 17:45.53 | exif | 2.6.26-2-vserver-amd64 |
| 17:45.56 | valdyn | exif: debian kernels have ipv6 as a module |
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| 17:46.26 | Wyzard | exif: Look in /proc/sys/net and see if there's an "ipv6" subdirectory alongside the "ipv4" one |
| 17:46.27 | valdyn | exif: which means you have it loaded if you have tcp6 support, which you obviously have |
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| 17:46.32 | exif | I am wondering about this output line from netstat -a -n -p: tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 7288/sshd |
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| 17:46.47 | valdyn | exif: try running "route -6" |
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| 17:47.25 | valdyn | exif: or ping6 0::0 |
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| 17:47.30 | exif | Wyzard, I do have /proc/sys/net/ipv6 |
| 17:47.43 | valdyn | exif: uname -r |
| 17:47.52 | exif | vader--, ping6 0::0 gives me replies |
| 17:48.08 | exif | valdyn, 2.6.26-2-vserver-amd64 |
| 17:48.25 | valdyn | exif: doesnt make sense that the ipv6 should not be loaded |
| 17:48.35 | valdyn | exif: try the lsmod again "lsmod | grep ipv6 |
| 17:48.35 | Wyzard | exif: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -name ipv6.ko |
| 17:48.37 | valdyn | exif: try the lsmod again "lsmod | grep ipv6" |
| 17:48.38 | Wyzard | Does it find anything? |
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| 17:48.43 | exif | lsmod|grep ipv6 gives no results |
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| 17:49.12 | Wyzard | (I'm wondering if maybe the vserver kernel has ipv6 compiled in for some reason, though I don't see why it would) |
| 17:49.14 | exif | I get no results for find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -name ipv6.ko |
| 17:49.19 | exif | could it be compiled in? |
| 17:49.22 | Wyzard | hmm, then maybe it is compiled in |
| 17:49.23 | exif | it seems like it |
| 17:49.24 | jelly-home | exif: uname -r? |
| 17:49.31 | jelly-home | oh you did that |
| 17:49.36 | valdyn | exif: grep IP6 /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 17:49.55 | jelly-home | maybe vserver hates ipv6? |
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| 17:50.09 | Wyzard | valdyn, exif: IPV6, not IP6 |
| 17:50.22 | exif | CONFIG_IPV6_MIP6=y and CONFIG_SLIP_MODE_SLIP6=y, everything else is a module |
| 17:50.46 | Wyzard | exif: What about CONFIG_IPV6 specifically? |
| 17:50.49 | valdyn | exif: ok, thats a different configuration than on my debian kernel, but its clear you got ipv6 In the kernel |
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| 17:51.16 | exif | Wyzard, ah, I didn't grep for that one, sory |
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| 17:51.22 | JordiGH | In a crontab, if I say "every 7 minutes" or some other number that doesn't divide 60... is cron smart enough to really do it every 7 minutes, or will it always do it on minutes 0, 7, 14 so there will only be 4 minutes between 56 and 0? |
| 17:51.27 | valdyn | exif: i believe you cannot disable it. |
| 17:51.28 | exif | it's compiled in x_X (CONFIG_IPV6=y |
| 17:51.42 | valdyn | exif: not without using a different kernel anyway |
| 17:51.42 | Wyzard | hmm, strange |
| 17:51.45 | Wyzard | dunno why, but there's your answer |
| 17:51.53 | valdyn | exif: why is ipv6 a problem at all? |
| 17:52.24 | exif | so there is no way of disabling ipv6 without using a different kernel then? |
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| 17:53.02 | exif | valdyn, because I have never used it before and am a bit worried that I might run into some configuration related security problems (i.e. @firewall) |
| 17:53.12 | valdyn | exif: this still doesnt look like a debian kernel to me |
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| 17:53.35 | exif | valdyn: Linux version 2.6.26-2-vserver-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-15) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Fri Mar 27 06:11:27 UTC 2009 |
| 17:53.41 | valdyn | exif: hmm, nevermind, i got it |
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| 17:53.52 | valdyn | exif: debian vserver have a different kernel config |
| 17:54.05 | Wyzard | exif: Does "ip addr show" show any inet6 addresses that don't begin with "fe80::"? |
| 17:54.37 | valdyn | exif: you having ipv6 is not a problem at all security wise |
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| 17:54.52 | valdyn | exif: it _cannot_ be routed to when your isp does not provide ipv6 support |
| 17:55.07 | jelly-home | ipv6 introduces resolver delays and all sorts of unnecessary issues |
| 17:55.12 | jelly-home | !noipv6 |
| 17:55.13 | dpkg | hmm... noipv6 is echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 17:55.14 | exif | Wyzard, no, not at the moment, but ips are assigned dynamically for that server, so that might change in the future without notice |
| 17:55.18 | valdyn | jelly-home: not necessarily |
| 17:56.33 | jelly-home | valdyn: also, Debian thinked it's available even when only link-local ipv6 addresses were assigned; and tried to access sites over their ipv6 address |
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| 17:56.58 | exif | ok, I'll have to look into ipv6 firewalling then, thank you very much everybody, you confirmed my suspicions :o) |
| 17:56.58 | valdyn | jelly-home: yea, i heared much about it here in this channel but never experienced any issues |
| 17:57.09 | jelly-home | valdyn: maybe it's fixable, but the default setup sarge-lenny just made it a huge annoyance |
| 17:57.20 | valdyn | exif: right, i believe sticking to debian kernels is preferable if you can |
| 17:58.03 | valdyn | exif: also, your isp wont just willy nilly add ipv6 support id think, ask them |
| 17:58.07 | exif | yeah, I used to compile my own kernels, but I have too many debian boxes to keep track of now, so compiling special kernels is just too much effort :| |
| 17:58.19 | jelly-home | valdyn: first things I do after a fresh install: get rid of ipv6 and avahi/mdns |
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| 17:58.50 | Wyzard | jelly-home: The resolver configuration for mdns used to be problematic in the past, but the current configuration shouldn't cause any delays |
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| 17:59.11 | jelly-home | Wyzard: current as in lenny? |
| 17:59.18 | valdyn | jelly-home: so maybe the actual issues are fixed now, you probably wouldnt know, i defenitely wouldnt know either |
| 17:59.19 | Wyzard | yes |
| 17:59.30 | Wyzard | jelly-home: "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" |
| 17:59.52 | Wyzard | jelly-home: mdns4_minimal only does anything for names in the .local zone; everything else passes straight through to normal dns |
| 17:59.58 | jelly-home | Wyzard: that's exactly the one causing 5sec delays for ips not in dns |
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| 18:00.27 | Wyzard | jelly-home: The mdns4 at the end is a fallback, but you can take that off (and leave mdns4_minimal) to keep .local resolution support |
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| 18:00.56 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I don't have any noticeable delay when resolving things not in DNS, though |
| 18:01.11 | Wyzard | jelly-home: "ping a.b.c.xyz" fails immediately (I just tried it) |
| 18:01.15 | ilj | any snmp knowledgeable users around? |
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| 18:01.44 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I have to get rid of .local as well anyway |
| 18:01.52 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Why? |
| 18:02.04 | esaym | did the linux-image-2.6.29 get pulled out of the repos or something? I can't find it anymore :( |
| 18:02.13 | jelly-home | Wyzard: the AD at work uses it |
| 18:02.21 | Wyzard | ah |
| 18:02.48 | xand | esaym: would have thought it was too new |
| 18:02.56 | jelly-home | Wyzard: there's a clash with MS recommendations for ldap domains and mdns/zeroconf specs |
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| 18:03.15 | Wyzard | well, mdns is meant more for non-centrally-managed networks, so that's not too much of a big deal |
| 18:03.31 | ilj | here's the deal... I can't seem to get snmpwalk working when I run a query on the same machine specifying my own NIC address but it works alright if I specify 'localhost'. |
| 18:03.52 | Wyzard | I have it on all my home computers, and I use .local resolution when ssh'ing to my laptop (which gets different IPs depending on whether it's connected via wired or wireless) |
| 18:03.54 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I'd consider keeping it if it didn't hog all foo.bar.local, but only foo.local |
| 18:04.09 | jintxo | ilj, maybe your snmpd is only listening on the 127.0.0.1 address and not the other? |
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| 18:04.21 | esaym | xand: it used to be in there... |
| 18:04.28 | xand | esaym: in sid? |
| 18:05.13 | jintxo | netstat -ntap | grep -i listen |
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| 18:06.46 | plb_ | hm is there a gui control panel for fglrx drivers? |
| 18:07.16 | liable | i think it does have some gui thing these days |
| 18:07.17 | sprax | A fried of mine used to run a php based web browser. I connected to it, and it would then connect out to the internet. Google is being suprisingly unhelpful. Anyone have any idea what it might be called? |
| 18:07.58 | plb_ | liable: ya I see fglrx-control and installed it but can't find any sort of launcher |
| 18:08.01 | justin | sprax: do you mean a http proxy written in php? |
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| 18:08.28 | ilj | jintxo, snmpd.conf: http://rafb.net/p/ycPTWI15.html |
| 18:08.28 | Wyzard | sprax: you connected to it with what, a web browser? |
| 18:09.06 | sprax | justin, Wyzard I found it, it's called phpproxy, but it's not a proxy server. |
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| 18:09.42 | Wyzard | package name aside, what you described sounds like a proxy to me |
| 18:10.02 | Wyzard | When you say it's not a "proxy server" you probably mean it's not a daemon and doesn't use the SOCKS proxy protocol |
| 18:10.15 | Wyzard | but proxying is still the correct term for what it does |
| 18:10.17 | jintxo | ilj, did you run the "netstat -ntap | grep -i listen" to see where the process is listening on? |
| 18:10.56 | sprax | Wyzard that makes sense. You're right though, it's not a socks proxy and you don't use it by changing the "proxy settings" in your browser, so I wasn't really sure what to call it |
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| 18:11.12 | esaym | xand: yea |
| 18:11.32 | ilj | jintxo, is 161/tcp what I should be looking for? |
| 18:11.49 | justin | dpkg: qotd237 is <reply><sprax> justin, Wyzard I found it, it's called phpproxy, but it's not a proxy server. |
| 18:11.49 | dpkg | okay, justin |
| 18:11.53 | justin | :) |
| 18:12.12 | jintxo | ilj, look at the lines where the snmp daemon is listening and see what addresses it is listening on ... |
| 18:12.15 | justin | http://freshmeat.net/projects/phpproxy/ "PHPProxy is an HTTP proxy written in PHP" |
| 18:12.22 | liable | not really funny |
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| 18:12.38 | sprax | shrugs |
| 18:12.48 | sprax | you're n00bd if you do and n00bd if you dont |
| 18:13.25 | ilj | jintxo, well nothing there: http://rafb.net/p/6N1KTS60.html |
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| 18:15.03 | ilj | how come it's not listening on any of the ports? |
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| 18:15.56 | jintxo | ilj, oops, maybe snmp is udp based? try leaving out the "t" fom the ntap switches cause that makes it onlt show tcp |
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| 18:16.52 | jintxo | netstat -nuap |
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| 18:18.28 | jintxo | gg, concert time :-) |
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| 18:19.56 | jljl | ;) free download beautifull girls here http://Cute-Eva.fr.nf/?id=21775 |
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| 18:20.07 | ilj | heh |
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| 18:22.10 | kunal113 | hello. this is how my interfaces file looks like. tell me if there is something wrong |
| 18:22.14 | kunal113 | http://pastebin.com/mb125911 |
| 18:22.15 | kunal113 | please. |
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| 18:23.08 | justin | kunal113: wlan-? |
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| 18:23.35 | kunal113 | yes |
| 18:23.46 | kunal113 | wlan- justin |
| 18:23.54 | justin | kunal113: sure you dont mean wlan0? |
| 18:24.17 | kunal113 | i mean wlan0 |
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| 18:25.39 | kunal113 | justin: any idea whats wrong with it |
| 18:25.58 | justin | kunal113: you have wlan- instead of wlan0 ? |
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| 18:26.34 | aburch | kunal113: Do you use WPA or WEP? |
| 18:26.38 | kunal113 | justin: i have wlan0 not wlan- |
| 18:26.42 | kunal113 | aburch: i use wep |
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| 18:27.09 | kunal113 | this is copy of my interfaces file --->http://pastebin.com/mb125911 |
| 18:27.37 | kunal113 | aburch: could you tell me if there is some problem in there? |
| 18:27.40 | justin | kunal113: clearly it is not a copy of your interfaces file because that has wlan- and not wlan0 |
| 18:28.50 | kunal113 | juston: sorry i made a typo its suppose to be wlan0 |
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| 18:29.07 | kunal113 | justin* sorry. |
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| 18:29.43 | sprax | reboot |
| 18:29.44 | sprax | exit |
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| 18:29.58 | kunal113 | justin: any idea on how to proceed? |
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| 18:33.55 | justin | kunal113: what happens when you try to connect? |
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| 18:49.23 | mib_v23pgn | Hello |
| 18:49.31 | mib_v23pgn | I am setting up a Linux system |
| 18:49.39 | mib_v23pgn | (GNU/Linux system) |
| 18:49.50 | mib_v23pgn | and I want to know if I should use ext4 or reiser |
| 18:50.05 | mib_v23pgn | Also, if I have 1 GB ram, how much swap should I use |
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| 18:51.05 | Bagoor | mib_v23pgn, use ext3 ! It's the most stable FS at the moment |
| 18:51.21 | Bagoor | mib_v23pgn, If you want it to be fast, you can use ReiserFS |
| 18:51.44 | simonrvn | would stay away from reiser |
| 18:51.44 | Bagoor | mib_v23pgn, but you may have stability problem with it |
| 18:51.59 | Bagoor | mib_v23pgn, For swap, make 1GB or 2GB swap |
| 18:52.06 | Bagoor | mib_v23pgn, it's usually enough |
| 18:52.48 | jonlin | jelly-home: Upgraded to Lenny (ages ago; forgot it was running ^^) when I run startx, prints some of the usual output then a bunch of lines reading: '(EE) R128(0): FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO: Invalid argument' |
| 18:53.02 | mib_v23pgn | re simonrvn: reiser the person or reiser the filesystem lol |
| 18:53.15 | mib_v23pgn | thanks for the advice |
| 18:53.18 | simonrvn | fs |
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| 18:53.33 | jelly-home | jonlin: that's still using fbdev driver? |
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| 18:53.51 | jelly-home | mib_v23pgn: both |
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| 18:54.03 | amanda-b | so /etc/iptables.rules is here: http://pastebin.com/m48d3bdc5 ... when i add "pre-up /etc/iptables.rules" to my block in /etc/network/interfaces, the machine didn't come up properly. since it's a hosted server i can't see the console, but i had to have them remove that line. is the pre-up syntax right? or is something else wrong? |
| 18:54.24 | jonlin | jelly-home: No; ATI |
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| 18:55.30 | jelly-home | jonlin: well. can you pastebin the output of "xrandr" while X is running? |
| 18:55.58 | jonlin | shure |
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| 18:57.56 | jonlin | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/1395926 |
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| 18:59.21 | jelly-home | jonlin: oh well |
| 18:59.53 | jelly-home | jonlin: I wonder where it gets the 1680x1050 number from, though |
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| 19:00.37 | plb_ | weird problem I've 2 monitors setup and when I start xscreensaver, 1 of the monitors flickers like crazy and the other is fine..any clues? |
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| 19:00.46 | jonlin | jelly-home: Likewise; it's not even supported by the monitor |
| 19:01.22 | Xunie | !need |
| 19:01.22 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
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| 19:01.35 | jelly-home | jonlin: the number are completely fake, then |
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| 19:01.45 | hellues | hey |
| 19:02.02 | jelly-home | jonlin: I guess you could ask xorg people; or give up |
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| 19:02.12 | igor47 | i just got networking working on my fresh lenny install - is there a good place to go for a sources.list ? |
| 19:02.21 | igor47 | all i have is the cdrom |
| 19:02.23 | hellues | is it possible to take wireless connection from command line.When i do dhclient i never connect the wireless connection.Are there any package for tha aim |
| 19:02.25 | kid | open office writer is failing to open a document. |
| 19:02.36 | kid | never mind. it just takes forever. |
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| 19:02.46 | igor47 | hellues: iwconfig ? |
| 19:02.48 | Eulex | !sources.list |
| 19:02.48 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:02.55 | jonlin | jelly-home: could do; just messing with xorg.conf some more... |
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| 19:03.08 | hellues | yeah |
| 19:03.09 | jonlin | jelly-home: as though it will randomly work |
| 19:03.12 | jonlin | ;) |
| 19:03.14 | DRcheese | Can debian connect to wireless printers easily? |
| 19:03.22 | hellues | iwconfig hmm |
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| 19:04.46 | hellues | iwconfig connect_name |
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| 19:04.52 | hellues | like that igor47 |
| 19:05.27 | jonlin | jelly-dude: Thanks a lot for your help :D |
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| 19:08.14 | jonlin | jelly-home: Thanks a lot for your help :D |
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| 19:08.34 | jelly-home | wonders who jelly-dude is |
| 19:08.50 | jonlin | jelly-home: Jellydude's someone else whose name I keep typing outta habbit, sorry ;) |
| 19:09.21 | jelly-home | I get highlighted at "jelly" regardless |
| 19:09.46 | jonlin | hits himself in the hope that it will make him a little less of a retard ^_^ |
| 19:09.58 | jonlin | thanks a lot anyway |
| 19:10.03 | gewt | what package contains lspci? |
| 19:10.40 | peppe | pciutils |
| 19:10.48 | peppe | gewt: dpkg -S file |
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| 19:13.23 | hellues | i install and configure firmware-iwlwifi wireless-tools |
| 19:14.03 | hellues | but my machine dont see my wireless card.network-manager is required for my wirelss card |
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| 19:16.57 | jonlin | jelly-home: Gah... you were right; X doesn't work at all now |
| 19:17.37 | igor47 | hellues: what machine do you have? |
| 19:18.13 | igor47 | i'm in the middle of installing a thinkpad x200 and i just compiled a custom kernel to get the intel 5100 to work |
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| 19:22.10 | hellues | igor47 |
| 19:22.18 | hellues | my machiene acer aspira 5730g |
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| 19:22.47 | hellues | my wireless card intel wifi 4965 |
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| 19:24.39 | plb_ | I'm using fglrx drivers and when I goto play something in mplayer with opengl video I just get a blank screen but can hear the sound..anyone have any ideas? |
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| 19:25.51 | jelly-home | plb_: "don't use vo gl"? |
| 19:26.09 | plb_ | ya but gl gives better quality |
| 19:26.14 | plb_ | for tv |
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| 19:27.01 | jelly-home | plb_: does accelerated 3d work in other apps? |
| 19:27.17 | plb_ | only really tried fgl_glxgears and that works |
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| 19:27.33 | jelly-home | plb_: can you pastebin the output of "glxinfo"? |
| 19:27.48 | plb_ | ok |
| 19:28.49 | plb_ | http://pastebin.com/m75d9a06f |
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| 19:30.32 | jelly-home | plb_: um, "glxinfo", not fglrxinfo |
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| 19:30.51 | plb_ | don't have glxinfo |
| 19:30.58 | jelly-home | install it? |
| 19:31.02 | plb_ | 1 mo |
| 19:31.43 | jelly-home | plb_: package mesa-utils |
| 19:31.58 | plb_ | http://pastebin.com/m2a57eb12 |
| 19:32.01 | plb_ | got it =) |
| 19:32.05 | plb_ | ^^ |
| 19:32.32 | jelly-home | alright, so it's supposedly working |
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| 19:33.05 | jelly-home | plb_: which version of mplayer package? |
| 19:33.16 | plb_ | I tried the one in squeeze repo and debian multimedia |
| 19:33.18 | plb_ | same thing |
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| 19:34.54 | jelly-home | plb_: no clue... have you tried reading the manual and using that ati-hack thing? |
| 19:34.55 | ryanCH | X11 would be considered a daemon, right? |
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| 19:35.21 | plb_ | hm nope..mplayer w/ gl in lenny worked fine so never bothered... |
| 19:35.24 | plb_ | will check it out though |
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| 19:37.34 | plb_ | hmm |
| 19:37.41 | plb_ | thanks jelly |
| 19:37.46 | plb_ | ati-hack thing did the trick |
| 19:37.48 | plb_ | =) |
| 19:38.01 | plb_ | er |
| 19:38.04 | plb_ | kinda |
| 19:38.05 | plb_ | lol |
| 19:38.07 | plb_ | no fullscreen |
| 19:38.08 | plb_ | lol |
| 19:38.26 | plb_ | in a window it plays but fullscreen it's all distorted |
| 19:38.28 | plb_ | argh |
| 19:39.25 | jelly-home | you might want to consult #mplayer too |
| 19:39.38 | plb_ | ya |
| 19:40.10 | jelly-home | -vo gl seems to have a lot of tunables |
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| 19:42.07 | seria-mau | i'm trying kde 4.2.2 from unstable but window decorations arent working. i also can't enable desktop effects but apparently they are active - i have the cube etc.pp. |
| 19:42.16 | seria-mau | any ideas? |
| 19:42.48 | jelly-home | tries hard not to !any idea |
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| 19:44.08 | seria-mau | wobbly window effect is also on. but systemsettings says that desktop effects arent enabled |
| 19:44.34 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:50.07 | Brian17 | hello, i would like to resize my partition, but when i load gparted, everything is locked |
| 19:50.13 | sylar | hi |
| 19:50.21 | sylar | I have two identical computers |
| 19:50.47 | sylar | and I copied the disks of the fist |
| 19:50.59 | sylar | and put them in the second |
| 19:51.00 | sylar | but the second doesn't boot |
| 19:51.14 | sylar | if I put a live CD I can see the disks are ok |
| 19:51.20 | sylar | at the second computer |
| 19:51.22 | sylar | :/ |
| 19:51.43 | sylar | why doesn't it get to grub's screen then? |
| 19:52.25 | Brian17 | try installing grub |
| 19:52.35 | adb | sylar: done grub-install om second disk ? |
| 19:52.50 | adb | on* |
| 19:53.03 | sylar | adb, no, I just cloned the hd |
| 19:53.36 | sylar | maybe not well enough |
| 19:54.05 | sylar | actually just the partitions I cloned |
| 19:54.16 | adb | !mbr |
| 19:54.16 | dpkg | somebody said mbr was the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda", or ask me about <fixmbr>, or see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbr |
| 19:54.32 | sylar | and used sdisk to copy the mbr I think |
| 19:56.51 | sylar | ops I did it again |
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| 19:59.39 | iLLiKaWn | hi Im trying to get arnos iptables firewall installed on my sparcstation. How do I configure the safe network side, I dont have dhcp server installed, im guessing its a static configuration, but how? |
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| 19:59.49 | xingu | hmm, neat, sid uses kexec to handle reboots now :) |
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| 20:01.44 | Wyzard | oh? |
| 20:01.50 | Wyzard | I rebooted a few days ago and didn't notice anything different |
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| 20:03.34 | Wyzard | ah, it's i386-only |
| 20:03.41 | jpinx | On the basis that aptitude is much better at looking after dependencies, etc - is there a way I can use aptitude to install a local .deb that I downloaded independently? |
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| 20:04.07 | xingu | Wyzard: nope, on amd64 here. |
| 20:04.13 | Wyzard | jpinx: no, apt is a frontend that handles selecting and retrieving .deb files, but doesn't actually install them |
| 20:04.19 | Wyzard | jpinx: dpkg does that |
| 20:04.25 | |cat| | how to change icons size in GNOME? |
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| 20:04.40 | Wyzard | xingu: oh, then the article I just looked up must be out of date (not surprising since it's from 2004) |
| 20:05.00 | jpinx | Wyzard: is dpkg as good as aptitude, or is aptitude just calling dpkg? |
| 20:05.16 | Wyzard | jpinx: apt (apt-get, aptitude, etc.) downloads .deb files and runs dpkg to install them |
| 20:05.34 | jpinx | cool - thanks Wyzard :) |
| 20:05.39 | Wyzard | dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 20:05.39 | dpkg | removes a liver from wyzard and replaces it with foo.deb |
| 20:05.51 | Wyzard | not you, silly bot :-P |
| 20:05.53 | jpinx | heh |
| 20:06.51 | Wyzard | anyway, dpkg will fail to configure the new package if its dependencies aren't met |
| 20:06.51 | Wyzard | At that point you can use aptitude to install whatever else is needed to satisfy the dependencies |
| 20:06.51 | jpinx | yep - got that now - thanks |
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| 20:12.56 | bowman | Hi all. Anyone have a hint why apache2 packages don't create start symlinks for runlevel 2? |
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| 20:15.25 | beardy | bowman: It does, but they are probably put somewhere where all runlevels pick them up by symlinking. (?) |
| 20:16.12 | nkuttler | bowman: the links should be there. if not, see man update-rc.d or maybe rcconf |
| 20:16.19 | bowman | beardy: I found symlinks for runlevels 3, 4 and 5, but not for runlevel 2 - which seemed funny to me, the default runlevel is 2 on my vserver, and I added the symlink for rl2 manually now |
| 20:16.20 | beardy | bowman: Debian doesn't care much about different runlevels, but 2 is the default, and apache2 does start automatically by default. |
| 20:16.42 | beardy | bowman: Sounds a bit funny yes. |
| 20:16.59 | jetscreamer | maybe if you had it installed before |
| 20:17.00 | bowman | beardy: no drama though. I'll keep an eye on it if I ever reinstall the package :-) |
| 20:17.24 | beardy | bowman: Did you perhaps have apache (1) installed before? |
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| 20:17.46 | bowman | beardy: no, I'm running a "fresh" install and instantly went for apache2 |
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| 20:18.06 | bowman | nkuttler: yeah, I fixed it using update-rc.d, thanks :) |
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| 20:20.09 | bobby1234 | how do I run iceweasel in debug mode? |
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| 20:20.35 | bobby1234 | it is crashing when i visit a url |
| 20:20.39 | nkuttler | bobby1234: it has a debug mode? maybe strace? |
| 20:20.52 | bobby1234 | which requires flash... |
| 20:21.00 | bobby1234 | nkuttler, it has debug mode |
| 20:21.35 | nkuttler | flash crashes aren't really a debian problem |
| 20:21.42 | owen1 | should I use 'rm -r' to delete folders or should i create an alias so i won't have to type the -r ? |
| 20:21.54 | Wyzard | xingu: I just rebooted my laptop (i386, sid, 2.6.29) and it didn't kexec |
| 20:22.00 | bobby1234 | but iceweasel should not seg fault because of a plugin... |
| 20:22.03 | Wyzard | xingu: Is the "kexec-tools" package installed on your system? |
| 20:22.11 | nkuttler | owen1: uh, aliasing -r is dangerous |
| 20:22.13 | bobby1234 | it is a security issue ... |
| 20:22.31 | owen1 | nkuttler: because i might delete folders? |
| 20:22.34 | Wyzard | xingu: It isn't on mine, as nothing depends on it and I didn't install it manually |
| 20:22.47 | nkuttler | bobby1234: are you using the nonfree plugin? |
| 20:22.55 | bobby1234 | yup |
| 20:23.05 | nkuttler | bobby1234: contact adobe i guess |
| 20:23.13 | bobby1234 | hehe.. lol |
| 20:23.32 | nkuttler | or chroot ff |
| 20:23.54 | bobby1234 | how do I run iceweasel in debug mode? :) |
| 20:24.03 | bobby1234 | so that i can see the stack trace |
| 20:24.31 | bobby1234 | sudo aptitude install iceweasel-dbg |
| 20:24.37 | bobby1234 | iceweasel -g |
| 20:24.43 | bobby1234 | set pagination off |
| 20:24.45 | bobby1234 | run |
| 20:25.01 | bobby1234 | gives me an error saying no debugging symbols found.. |
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| 20:28.26 | deb-eate1 | What package do i need to install in order to get my Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) |
| 20:28.31 | jmut | hi folks. any clue why I don't have svn user? Shouldn't I get one when installing svn package |
| 20:28.35 | deb-eate1 | working |
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| 20:28.52 | jmut | I know it kinda not the same but usually svn is good to work under isolated user |
| 20:29.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is testing stable enough to be used as a full fledged desktop? or stable + backports will be a better option? |
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| 20:30.02 | patrikf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: if you want it to be stable, i.e. everyday work without possible interruptions, stable. |
| 20:30.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm |
| 20:30.58 | patrikf | if you can afford troubleshooting, testing can also be an option. |
| 20:31.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i don't mind... |
| 20:31.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | its like |
| 20:31.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i was using unstable all this while |
| 20:31.10 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but |
| 20:31.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | recently |
| 20:31.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | when it came out of freeze |
| 20:31.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i am getting dependency problems |
| 20:31.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | aptitude suggests removing important packages |
| 20:31.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | so i was thinking if testing would be better. and using unstable packages only when needed |
| 20:32.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | stable has a problem of being backdated. but i guess backports solved the issue a lot |
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| 20:32.27 | nkuttler | !enter |
| 20:32.27 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:32.31 | patrikf | well, if you're coming from unstable and don't mind the occasional problem, then testing with pinning on unstable is certainly a fine setup |
| 20:32.44 | patrikf | (have that myself here) |
| 20:32.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok thanks for the advice. i wil try it |
| 20:32.54 | simonrvn | um, lenny released not so long ago, the packages aren't out of date yet... |
| 20:33.10 | jmut | is there package in debian that will place correct suff in /etc/init.de/svnserve so svn server can run and all or should be handled manually ? |
| 20:33.57 | adb | !tell jmut about search |
| 20:33.59 | justin | most people don't run the subversion server |
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| 20:34.11 | justin | most people use svn+ssh or mod_svn |
| 20:34.30 | simonrvn | most people run it from apache2's svn mod, or ssh |
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| 20:36.17 | jmut | adb: I did search. and since I didn't find it I can't be 100% sure if me wrong or just not there. In general I would expect svn package todo this. |
| 20:37.46 | jpinx | what was that package that copies all output to a text file - good for debugging? |
| 20:37.59 | jpinx | scripttext or something |
| 20:38.16 | adb | cat file > file |
| 20:38.24 | justin | he means tee |
| 20:38.30 | J-_ | hmm, there's an actual script to do that? I was going to say a pipe might do it. :P |
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| 20:38.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i formatted my pc yesterday. and did a fresh install of lenny. previously my synaptic > repositories had an option to test the fast mirrors and select one modifying the sources.list itself |
| 20:38.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | now its not there |
| 20:38.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | was there a package installed along with synaptic for that feature? |
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| 20:39.08 | jpinx | there's a command you issue before starting your processes which will capture all the output to a text file |
| 20:39.21 | SlackRat | apt-spy? |
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| 20:39.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i installed apt-spy |
| 20:39.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but its text based |
| 20:39.30 | SlackRat | hmn |
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| 20:39.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | not the one integrated with synaptic |
| 20:39.41 | justin | jpinx: script |
| 20:40.23 | jpinx | found it - script ;) |
| 20:40.26 | jpinx | justin :) |
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| 20:42.17 | jmut | jpinx: screen ? |
| 20:42.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !volatile |
| 20:42.23 | dpkg | i heard volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://volatile.debian.org/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 20:42.29 | jmut | ah..found it :) |
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| 20:42.44 | J-_ | Screen's just a screen multiplexer. :) |
| 20:42.55 | justin | screen can do logging too sort of |
| 20:43.11 | J-_ | hmm nice |
| 20:43.13 | dureyes | is the volatile.debian on the sources.list file necesary? |
| 20:43.21 | Eulex | no |
| 20:44.48 | dureyes | Eulex: ok thanks, I never saw it before..... |
| 20:45.12 | jpinx-eeepc | didn't realize till recently that you can include main, contrib and non-free all on the same line in sources.list |
| 20:45.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | its there since lenny i guess |
| 20:45.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
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| 20:48.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | once i experimented using ubuntu repos ;) |
| 20:48.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | some packages did work |
| 20:48.33 | justin | most ubuntu packages are debian packages |
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| 20:48.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yea. just the version conflicts occur if you don't know what you are doing |
| 20:48.58 | Eulex | justin, *source packages |
| 20:49.04 | justin | Eulex: yeah, that's what I meant |
| 20:49.20 | dureyes | sh4d3sl4y3r_: did it breake debian? |
| 20:49.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | nope it didnt |
| 20:49.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i even experimented installing the ubuntu kernel |
| 20:49.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and it was working |
| 20:49.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
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| 20:49.50 | Eulex | I guess you could use an ubuntu deb-src line on debian without any major breakages |
| 20:49.50 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:49.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | though i don't wanna criticize as i am a debian fan |
| 20:50.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but using a stop watch |
| 20:50.08 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i calculated the boot up time on both.. |
| 20:50.12 | Azrael_- | is there a helper-program to enable a service for starting up on booting up? |
| 20:50.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ubuntu kernel was lighter and faster .... |
| 20:50.22 | Eulex | sh4d3sl4y3r_, I did that once, because I had a problem on debian that I didn't experience on ubuntu, but it turned out to not be related |
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| 20:50.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm |
| 20:50.44 | bowman | Azrael_-: yes, the init system - what are you trying to do? |
| 20:50.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | its fun doing all these if you know what you are doing and not concerned about your data security |
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| 20:50.55 | jetscreamer | just use the ubuntu .config though |
| 20:51.08 | Azrael_- | bowman: enable fail2ban to start up with debian |
| 20:51.15 | Eulex | they may have some custom patches tho |
| 20:51.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i never built packages from debian src .. as you mentioned above |
| 20:51.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | any good documentation? |
| 20:52.02 | bowman | Azrael_-: look into update-rc.d - and if there is no start/stop script in /etc/init.d, write one :-) |
| 20:52.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | had rpm background always , just using debian since 7 months |
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| 20:52.13 | Azrael_- | in suse i had a tool called "chkconfig" that created the links for the runtime |
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| 20:52.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | its there in debian too |
| 20:52.28 | dureyes | all this talk about mixing ubuntu kernels and debian kernels remind me of how I mix coffee beans and the coffee turns out ok. |
| 20:52.33 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i use chkconfig |
| 20:52.36 | Azrael_- | bowman: the script is already there, i'm only talking about the links in the runlevel-dirs |
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| 20:53.05 | jetscreamer | there is chkconfig in sources... all i know |
| 20:53.19 | bowman | Azrael_-: update-rc.d can help you to create the symlinks |
| 20:53.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wait i wil tell the exact package |
| 20:53.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hold on |
| 20:54.28 | Azrael_- | thx, update-rc.d does what i searched for |
| 20:54.42 | jetscreamer | !info chkconfig |
| 20:54.45 | adb | chkconfig - system tool to enable or disable system services |
| 20:54.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=chkconfig |
| 20:54.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | its there |
| 20:54.55 | Azrael_- | k |
| 20:54.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | so install it normally |
| 20:54.59 | Azrael_- | thx |
| 20:55.13 | jetscreamer | 5min later dpkg chimes in |
| 20:55.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i used fedora for 5 years, there wasnt a single thing which was there in fedora i couldnt find in debian. except the graphical SELINUX configuration tool which Red Hat uses |
| 20:55.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and the iptables frontend system-config-firewall |
| 20:56.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | so i use firestarter now |
| 20:56.24 | jetscreamer | chkconfig is relatively new in debian though |
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| 20:56.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is it? |
| 20:56.43 | jetscreamer | relatively |
| 20:56.46 | Azrael_- | as long as it does what it's written for... |
| 20:56.52 | jetscreamer | few months that i know of |
| 20:56.55 | adb | judd: versions chkconfig |
| 20:56.55 | judd | adb: chkconfig -- lenny: 11.0-79.1-1 sid: 11.0-79.1-1 squeeze: 11.0-79.1-1 |
| 20:56.56 | jetscreamer | maybe more |
| 20:57.10 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i am having it since november when i needed it |
| 20:57.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | its an important tool |
| 20:57.29 | Azrael_- | jup |
| 20:57.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | the only problem i faced with debian was the configuration files |
| 20:57.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | being different from fedora |
| 20:57.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i.e apache , squid |
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| 20:58.32 | simonrvn | the format and syntax wouldn't be any different... |
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| 20:58.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yup |
| 20:58.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and a bit of package naming |
| 20:58.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | debian calls it apache2 ... fedora calls it httpd ... |
| 20:59.03 | tielk | what is the debian package name for Term::Menu? |
| 20:59.11 | Azrael_- | just like the configuration of pure-ftpd in suse and debian, crazy... |
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| 21:00.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | onething that made me switch to debian completely was the approach of less customizations making it a "just works" distribution |
| 21:00.33 | sylar | !grub |
| 21:00.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 21:00.36 | Sashi | a question |
| 21:00.39 | Sashi | are ppl just stupid |
| 21:00.42 | Sashi | or ignoratn |
| 21:00.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | pretty simple and transparent system with a good package management system |
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| 21:01.56 | Azrael_- | sh4d3sl4y3r_: i come from suse and although all helpers there installing munin and phpmyadmin was 10x easier in debian |
| 21:02.06 | Azrael_- | nearly nothing to configure |
| 21:02.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i used opensuse for 1 year |
| 21:02.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | was a very good distribution for multimedia purposes |
| 21:02.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but |
| 21:02.33 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i would appreciate if they remove yast |
| 21:02.36 | sylar | what grub version does lenny come with 1 or 2? |
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| 21:02.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | though zypper made it much simple |
| 21:02.44 | Azrael_- | still use it on several servers |
| 21:02.57 | Azrael_- | switching isn't easy |
| 21:03.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i switched from fedora cause of red hat's policies behind it which i didnt like, and wanted to use a distro without any commercial backup |
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| 21:03.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | though i am pursuing RHCE ... but when its personal i have other views |
| 21:04.14 | Azrael_- | i hated the fast update-cycle in suse and the not really supported upgrade of everything... |
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| 21:04.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | SuSE/ CentOS / Debian these are good for servering purposes |
| 21:05.09 | Sashi | no.. |
| 21:05.11 | Azrael_- | still running a 10.1-distribution and get no more updates |
| 21:05.16 | Sashi | no no no no no FKING WAY |
| 21:05.25 | Sashi | uhh |
| 21:05.27 | Sashi | someone kill me |
| 21:05.38 | Eulex | !kill Sashi |
| 21:05.39 | dpkg | rips Sashi open with a whip |
| 21:05.44 | Sashi | thanks :) |
| 21:05.44 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 21:05.48 | Sashi | no but srsly.. |
| 21:05.49 | Sashi | NO WAY |
| 21:05.58 | Sashi | NO FREAKING way, im in a DREAM here |
| 21:06.07 | ZeZu_ | I installed lenny on an old ibook (g3) via debootstrap, and i am trying to boot it via a rescue cd w/ yaboot installed, it boots up the kernel fine but i get a panic and when i installed the kernel image from chroot it said i needed to use a ramdisk, i pass the ramdisk it generated and it still fails. can anyone tell me what else i may need to do, or how i can get my own bootloader on the hard drive ? It is a new world mac / ibook but op |
| 21:06.18 | Sashi | my customer... |
| 21:06.31 | Sashi | he instaled firefox, opera and winrar WINE |
| 21:06.45 | simonrvn | judd: version grub-pc --release lenny |
| 21:06.47 | judd | simonrvn: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 21:06.50 | simonrvn | judd: versions grub-pc --release lenny |
| 21:06.50 | judd | simonrvn: grub-pc -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16 |
| 21:06.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | sashi is from canada |
| 21:06.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ? |
| 21:06.56 | simonrvn | sylar: both |
| 21:07.04 | justin | ZeZu_: what panic? |
| 21:07.53 | ZeZu_ | init syncing, can't find the root partition .. and its slightly different if i specify the ramdisk or not then it says (0,1) |
| 21:08.03 | ZeZu_ | i can boot again and get the specific |
| 21:08.28 | ZeZu_ | i tried booting it like : hd:4,/vmlinux root=/dev/hda4 initrd=/initrd.img |
| 21:08.35 | simonrvn | ZeZu_: use the installer initrd |
| 21:08.40 | ZeZu_ | there are symlinks in root vmlinux/initrd.img |
| 21:08.54 | ZeZu_ | simonrvn, where can i find it? this is what debootstrap is using |
| 21:08.56 | simonrvn | don't use the generated one, it'll puke on you. |
| 21:09.12 | simonrvn | ok, wtf did you do? |
| 21:09.26 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 21:09.27 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <installer firmware>. |
| 21:09.33 | simonrvn | read that ^^^ |
| 21:10.01 | simonrvn | there's a ppc one, use that. ask me or others in #debianppc for questions |
| 21:10.04 | ZeZu_ | used finnix to boot into live cd, partitioned, and used debootstrap to load up linux base, chroot into it, and bam |
| 21:10.19 | ZeZu_ | i used : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ |
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| 21:10.32 | ZeZu_ | *.html.en- |
| 21:10.39 | sylar | simonrvn, I am trying to install grub from a live cd, and it doesn't "find /" invalid device, and if I install grub2 there is no grub command and previous is for grub package |
| 21:10.48 | ZeZu_ | ah |
| 21:10.50 | ZeZu_ | same thing you pasted :) |
| 21:11.10 | simonrvn | i didn't paste it, but yeh it is |
| 21:11.34 | ZeZu_ | simonrvn, specifically http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/powerpc/apds03.html.en |
| 21:11.53 | simonrvn | why are you using debootstrap? is it even the same architecture? |
| 21:11.55 | ZeZu_ | true, it was the bot that output it ;) |
| 21:11.58 | manu_hack | is there utility to convert image containing text to text file? |
| 21:11.58 | ZeZu_ | yes |
| 21:12.02 | ZeZu_ | it is the same arch |
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| 21:12.26 | ZeZu_ | finnix is debian based 2.6 kernel and already had debootstrap ready to use i just pointed it at debian.org and it happily installed |
| 21:12.55 | ZeZu_ | but when i installed the kernel from chroot i got a warning that it would fail w/o a ramdisk and asked if still wanted to install it |
| 21:13.04 | simonrvn | ok. so yeh, a generated initrd is less likely to work if generated from chroot. |
| 21:13.34 | simonrvn | i hope you took its advice ;). |
| 21:13.46 | amphi | manu_hack: something like gocr perhaps |
| 21:14.10 | ZeZu_ | whats the problem with generating the initrd from chroot ? |
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| 21:14.15 | ZeZu_ | i've built a few systems like this |
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| 21:14.55 | ZeZu_ | and whats the solution here ? its already a base system there , i can go buy a cd-r but ... waste of time :) |
| 21:15.03 | ZeZu_ | net installer ? |
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| 21:15.38 | simonrvn | it doesn't always work very well... |
| 21:15.54 | manu_hack | amphi: thx for the clue |
| 21:16.11 | simonrvn | anyway, go to #debianppc, and other people can help you, i have to go to the store right now. |
| 21:16.19 | ZeZu_ | ok thanks |
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| 21:17.51 | jetscreamer | i thought it was #debian-ppc |
| 21:17.56 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 21:18.13 | Bracki | How can I find out which .deb a file belongs to? |
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| 21:18.28 | jetscreamer | apt-file search or show |
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| 21:18.51 | jetscreamer | apt-file update after you install it |
| 21:18.56 | adb | dpkg -S packs |
| 21:18.56 | dpkg | You Fool! packs is installed! |
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| 21:20.03 | Bracki | jetscreamer: apt-file show /usr/bin/foobar? |
| 21:20.11 | ZeZu_ | jetscreamer, looks like it forwards to debianppc anyhow |
| 21:20.16 | Bracki | shows nothing. |
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| 21:22.27 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.43 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.46 | Eulex | dpkg -i debian |
| 21:22.46 | dpkg | removes a liver from eulex and replaces it with debian |
| 21:22.55 | nsgn | getting the error "setup is unable to find the "make" program on your machine" when running a pl script to install/compile vmware-tools. is this under gcc or what? |
| 21:23.06 | nsgn | apt-get install gcc perhaps? |
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| 21:23.08 | adb | !b-e |
| 21:23.09 | dpkg | i heard build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 21:23.15 | Eulex | judd versions make |
| 21:23.16 | judd | Eulex: make -- etch: 3.81-2 lenny: 3.81-5 sid: 3.81-5 squeeze: 3.81-5 |
| 21:23.40 | Eulex | tho yes, you probably want build-essential |
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| 21:23.46 | nsgn | adb: thank you much |
| 21:24.05 | adb | yw |
| 21:24.09 | nsgn | Eulex: i'll give it a shot. i'd done it once a few months ago but dont compile often on linux so had forgotten now that i'm adding a debian VM |
| 21:24.45 | Eulex | nsgn, also, for future reference: |
| 21:24.49 | Eulex | !tell nsgn about search |
| 21:25.09 | Eulex | that way you'll be able to find out what packages to install for a specific file or command yourself |
| 21:25.15 | nsgn | ok |
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| 21:34.55 | jpinx | How do I go about getting a .deb into Debian? |
| 21:35.27 | nsgn | crap, now i need to somehow obtain the kernel header files for my specific kernel. i hate being a linux noob. advice? |
| 21:35.56 | JPT | dpkg -i package.deb |
| 21:35.56 | dpkg | package package.deb is already installed |
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| 21:36.46 | Polarina | nsgn: aptitude install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 or linux-headers-2.6-x86 |
| 21:36.57 | nsgn | hmm, trying. thanks |
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| 21:39.40 | deb-eate1 | I am having trioublr\e installing the broarcom sta wireless driver in ordre to get my bcm 4312 wireless card working any help would be much appreciated |
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| 21:40.27 | adb | !b43 |
| 21:40.27 | dpkg | [b43] the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <ndiswrapper> or <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:49.22 | deb-eate1 | No luck using the broarcom how to |
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| 21:50.44 | etchPRSN | broarcom... the laptop card ? Never heard of it :-) |
| 21:51.23 | Sashi | why do people like GUI so much? |
| 21:51.37 | Sashi | aka ubuntu |
| 21:51.53 | etchPRSN | is a text interface person... cant stand the gui approach |
| 21:52.00 | Sashi | too |
| 21:52.28 | etchPRSN | Sashi... but... you can turn that off on most distos |
| 21:52.40 | etchPRSN | distros |
| 21:52.41 | Sashi | no etchPRSN |
| 21:52.47 | Sashi | for running a server |
| 21:52.57 | Sashi | and ram intensive programs on the server |
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| 21:53.25 | Sashi | theres a ton of people PMing how to install rTorrent on Ubunut Desktop with 1GB of ram |
| 21:54.12 | Sashi | i finished installing they say I suck because they only have 10MB of ram left and rTorrent crashes |
| 21:54.40 | etchPRSN | a sucky torrent server... hmm |
| 21:54.44 | etchPRSN | :) |
| 21:54.55 | Sashi | i saw Ubuntu taking like |
| 21:55.01 | Sashi | 800+ ram |
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| 21:56.38 | deb-eate1 | I am having trioublr\e installing the broarcom sta wireless driver in ordre to get my bcm 4312 wireless card working any help would be much appreciated, I had no luuck on bcm-users or following the online how to in the debian wiki |
| 21:57.29 | etchPRSN | deb-eate... so... you installed it, and... nothing ? |
| 21:58.24 | deb-eate1 | spot on etch |
| 21:58.44 | deb-eate1 | spot on etchPRSN |
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| 21:59.25 | etchPRSN | I dont want to discourage you, but, have you installed other cards before ? is it a plug-and-play, or did you have to pop the case ? |
| 21:59.31 | Sashi | ack ubuntu is bad for security |
| 21:59.37 | bluethundr_ | I am attempting to install ntop and getting errors on launch |
| 21:59.38 | Sashi | sudo is so freaking annoying |
| 21:59.40 | bluethundr_ | http://pastebin.com/m1911cf90 |
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| 21:59.54 | adb | Sashi:free -m, get here : Mem: 1010 MB, used: 996, free: 14 , cached: 337; that on gnome |
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| 22:00.07 | Sashi | ol |
| 22:00.13 | Sashi | exactly |
| 22:00.24 | Sashi | Gnome or any other DE/WMs |
| 22:00.32 | Sashi | should not be used when using it as a server |
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| 22:01.04 | adb | so it's nornal ? |
| 22:01.07 | Sashi | adb: i got flamed for install rTorrent on peoples Ubuntu Desktop (Gnome) |
| 22:01.11 | adb | normal* |
| 22:01.12 | deb-eate1 | etchPRSN: This broad Com bcm4312 card is a internal card in my Laptop |
| 22:01.12 | Sashi | installing* |
| 22:01.15 | twolane | deb-eate1: sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter and accept install firmware. then use networkmanager to choose network and insert key. Worked fine on my broadcom 4318 chipset. details: http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 22:01.41 | Sashi | cuz they were like omfg no more ram! |
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| 22:02.42 | linuxjones317 | how would i mount my blackberry to throw music on it and such? |
| 22:02.58 | etchPRSN | never understood the appeal of torrents... never worked for me without a huge ram/chip set |
| 22:05.11 | deb-eate1 | twolane: still no luck |
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| 22:06.22 | Wyzard | etchPRSN: some bittorrent clients (e.g. azureus) may need lots of RAM, but that's not a problem with the protocol itself, and lighter clients are available |
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| 22:07.19 | levon_ | does anyone know a good chat program that uses web cam? |
| 22:07.35 | levon_ | im using pidgen but it doesnt support web chat |
| 22:08.12 | etchPRSN | Wyzard... right... but can a torrent really provide faster downloads for a given computer ? |
| 22:08.24 | deb-eate1 | !b43 |
| 22:08.24 | dpkg | [b43] the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <ndiswrapper> or <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:08.28 | Wyzard | etchPRSN: yes |
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| 22:08.33 | etchPRSN | thx |
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| 22:09.00 | Wyzard | etchPRSN: torrents get faster when more people are downloading the same file; downloads from a central server get slower |
| 22:09.01 | SQlvpapir | hmm it seems that project passively cooled pentium 4 has failed :-( |
| 22:09.26 | deb-eate1 | etchPRSN:I uninstalled and reinstalled fwcutter and still no use |
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| 22:09.58 | Wyzard | etchPRSN: When lenny was released, I downloaded the full i386 and amd64 DVD sets at 2MB/sec via bittorrent |
| 22:10.35 | SQlvpapir | Wyzard: that is only true when assuming the downloading peers combined downstream capacity succeeds the sources upload bandwidth |
| 22:10.56 | Wyzard | SQlvpapir: combined upstream capacity, you mean |
| 22:11.03 | etchPRSN | Wyzard... lol... thats exactly what Im trying... Im seeing 40min download times per CD and giving up |
| 22:11.05 | Wyzard | SQlvpapir: and the more peers there are, the more likely that is to be true |
| 22:11.07 | SQlvpapir | Wyzard: its only a singel peer |
| 22:11.38 | SQlvpapir | ie. central source (00:08) |
| 22:12.00 | Wyzard | etchPRSN: If you load all the torrents into your client at the same time, it'll download them in parallel, which will probably be faster than downloading them one-by-one |
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| 22:12.28 | Wyzard | etchPRSN: I suggest Transmission (GTK-based torrent client) if you want something lightweight |
| 22:14.14 | rerushg | etchPRSN: don't forget to throttle your upload rate to about 80% of max available or you'll limit your download rate |
| 22:14.39 | Wyzard | unless you use wondershaper on your router :-) |
| 22:14.59 | etchPRSN | you should msg twolane about this... it was they who suggested b43-fwcutter and who also have your card |
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| 22:14.59 | rerushg | wnodershaper? |
| 22:15.19 | Wyzard | rerushg: http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ |
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| 22:15.38 | rerushg | I'll check it out.... thanks |
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| 22:15.50 | Karl | hi! anyone here experienced with dante-server ? |
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| 22:15.57 | Wyzard | rerushg: If you use a Linux-based router, you can use it to solve the problem of upstream saturation interfering with download speeds |
| 22:16.29 | etchPRSN | oops... deb-eate1 ...you should msg twolane about this... it was they who suggested b43-fwcutter and who also have your card |
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| 22:17.48 | dureyes | I installed HandBrake application and I see it on my applications tab but do not see an icon for it, how do I go about? |
| 22:18.18 | etchPRSN | dureyes which debian r u running ? |
| 22:18.35 | Sisk | Does anyone know of a program like moto4lin but for LG phones? |
| 22:18.35 | rerushg | Thanks Wyzard..... yes, use Ktorrent and Deluge.... will definitely look into it....I'n on a newer unbalanced plan with 1500 down but only 60 up... |
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| 22:19.22 | Wyzard | 60kbps? |
| 22:19.29 | Wyzard | or kBps? |
| 22:19.39 | rerushg | big B |
| 22:19.48 | sylar | how does the debian decide which card is eth0 and which is eth1? |
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| 22:20.29 | etchPRSN | first 2 b installed is e0 ? |
| 22:20.30 | Wyzard | sylar: Initially it's based on whichever driver happens to load first |
| 22:20.40 | Wyzard | sylar: After that, it's saved in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 22:20.53 | Wyzard | sylar: You can edit that file to change the device names |
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| 22:21.52 | sylar | ok |
| 22:21.56 | gigglefight | how would I go about uninstalling debian and installing mandriva OS? |
| 22:21.57 | sylar | I'll try that |
| 22:22.13 | etchPRSN | try #mandriva ? |
| 22:22.24 | gigglefight | yes. mandriva 2009 os |
| 22:22.28 | gigglefight | powerpack |
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| 22:22.37 | simonrvn | that's a channel... |
| 22:22.39 | gigglefight | just don't know how to uninstall the debian |
| 22:22.46 | Arrowmaster | you dont |
| 22:22.46 | simonrvn | you do /join #mandriva |
| 22:22.57 | gigglefight | k. thanks. |
| 22:22.57 | Arrowmaster | you just reformat the drive when installing mandriva |
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| 22:23.04 | etchPRSN | what simon said :) |
| 22:23.25 | Arrowmaster | seriously anybody that needs to ask that probably should stick to windows or osx |
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| 22:23.46 | simonrvn | !grounding |
| 22:23.46 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
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| 22:24.07 | simonrvn | "fundamentals" and "unix lessons" |
| 22:24.14 | Arrowmaster | he left |
| 22:24.29 | simonrvn | oh bah |
| 22:26.10 | lbt | can I run a : dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -i to build a source package whilst a dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b is running ? |
| 22:26.21 | etchPRSN | its funny... because, if you knew anything about debian, you wouldnt need to ask... but if you dont, your question sounds silly :-) |
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| 22:26.22 | lbt | or wi)-l*+ it |
| 22:26.32 | lbt | cat sorry |
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| 22:27.04 | lbt | etchPRSN: me? |
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| 22:27.27 | etchPRSN | oh... hahah... nope... regarding a previous comment, sorry |
| 22:27.32 | lbt | NP :) |
| 22:28.26 | lbt | :) I thought the build happens inside ./debian/build and so building the source would be OK... (it's Qt so it's huge) |
| 22:28.38 | rerushg | kinda wonder how they got Debian loaded to start with |
| 22:28.42 | simonrvn | lbt: um, what? |
| 22:28.58 | lbt | can I run a : dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -i to build a source package whilst a dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b is running (in another window/shell)? |
| 22:29.16 | lbt | or will it 'clean up' and destroy my build? |
| 22:29.19 | etchPRSN | rerushg prolly belonged to a room-mate or something |
| 22:29.24 | simonrvn | in the same source dir? no |
| 22:29.35 | lbt | OK ta |
| 22:29.41 | rerushg | haha...... yup.... |
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| 22:30.05 | lbt | was hoping... will have to wait for the build tomorrow b4 uploading to the builder... never mind |
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| 22:30.32 | etchPRSN | ibt... you know, it sounds like you -could- but doesnt your install automatically build source packages ? |
| 22:31.27 | sylar | Wyzard, thanks it worked.. I always forget these things. I am sure I have been to that file before |
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| 22:33.19 | lbt | etchPRSN: I'm running -b so it won't. It's passed the critical point but has hours to go yet (x-compile). I wanted to throw it up to the autobuilder.... no worries... I'll wait 'til morning |
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| 22:33.20 | gueux | hi |
| 22:33.27 | bluethundr_ | how do I determine which version of tomcat I am running? |
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| 22:33.36 | mordy_ | hey, i'm having trouble with my default X font. it seems that another pacakge is overriding the default X font and giving me some barely legigle alternative. any suggestions? |
| 22:33.44 | etchPRSN | ibt good luck |
| 22:33.52 | lbt | ta |
| 22:34.12 | mordy_ | so i'm left with something like this as my default X font http://i41.tinypic.com/rk8vpi.jpg |
| 22:34.41 | etchPRSN | mordy install anything new recently ? |
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| 22:35.04 | mordy_ | etchPRSN: no, this is an old problem, i didn't make much of it until i actually needed to use xfontsel |
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| 22:35.30 | mordy_ | i don't know what caused it; i've tried aptitude reinstall 'xfonts ~i' but nothing helped |
| 22:35.56 | etchPRSN | ah... well have you tried setting font from control panel ? |
| 22:36.09 | mordy_ | also tried updating my font cache, installing xfs etc. but no go. if i only knew the name of that strange font. it looks like a variant of comic sans |
| 22:36.26 | gravity | mordy_: Do you have xfonts-base installed? |
| 22:36.33 | mordy_ | etchPRSN: which control panel? this is an X font issue. i do not have this problem with my desktop environment (which is gtk based) |
| 22:36.43 | mordy_ | gravity: yeah, and i've also tried reinstalling it |
| 22:36.45 | gravity | Also... core fonts? |
| 22:37.03 | Wyzard | mordy_: gtk uses a completely different font system nowadays |
| 22:37.18 | mordy_ | you mean msttcorefonts? |
| 22:37.24 | gravity | No, fontconfig |
| 22:37.28 | mordy_ | yeah, it does. that's why it's never bothered me |
| 22:37.34 | gravity | mordy_: Do you have anything in your .xrdb or something? |
| 22:37.35 | mordy_ | yeah i've got fontconfig here |
| 22:37.40 | etchPRSN | hmmm... ok mordy... for your terminal then ? my term program allows fonts to be set, if that would help |
| 22:37.44 | mordy_ | gravity: nope |
| 22:38.05 | mordy_ | etchPRSN: no, i want to use xfontsel and this obscure font makes it virtually unreadable for me |
| 22:38.29 | etchPRSN | sympathy is all I can offer |
| 22:38.31 | mordy_ | lol |
| 22:38.38 | etchPRSN | :) |
| 22:38.43 | gravity | mordy_: How about ~/.Xresources |
| 22:39.12 | gravity | mordy_: xfontsel isn't terribly useful unless you loves your server-side fonts. |
| 22:39.23 | mordy_ | gravity: i've got no user-based X config file, and the global ones in /etc/X11 don't have anything either |
| 22:39.31 | gravity | As Wyzard said, modern apps use a whole different font selection mechanism that xfontsel isn't aware of |
| 22:39.50 | mordy_ | gravity: yeah, buut i'm planning on using xdm and pimping it out |
| 22:39.58 | gravity | Ok |
| 22:39.59 | mordy_ | which requires knowing those font strings etc. |
| 22:40.09 | karim | hi |
| 22:40.16 | karim | do I have the right to create some files that I would source to be able to share variables between postinst preinst prerm postrm ? |
| 22:41.26 | mordy_ | i know it's something global because when i run X as root (just for testing), i get the same wacky fontsa |
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| 22:42.14 | samo9789 | Hello, I have a question regarding iptables and debian-mac os file sharing. Anyone knows the chan to ask? |
| 22:42.32 | gravity | mordy_: Check out /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/fonts.alias and see what the fixed font is |
| 22:42.36 | gravity | fixed should be the default |
| 22:42.42 | etchPRSN | mordy makes no sense at all, unless you have pieced together you install... big autoinstalls generally include all the little files you miss |
| 22:43.05 | gravity | mordy_: You can alter the copy in /etc/X11 if you want to make changes. |
| 22:43.24 | mordy_ | fixed -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 |
| 22:43.26 | gravity | That *should* be where such things are being set, if you don't have X resources elsewhere doing it |
| 22:43.33 | gravity | Yeah, that's what I have. |
| 22:43.37 | mordy_ | seems somewhat normal |
| 22:44.06 | mordy_ | but then that font itself is aliased |
| 22:44.07 | mordy_ | lol |
| 22:44.15 | mordy_ | i hate these long chains of references |
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| 22:44.39 | gravity | Yeah, welcome to core font hell |
| 22:45.01 | mordy_ | haha |
| 22:45.11 | gravity | There's a reason why all this was scrapped and replaced. |
| 22:45.18 | gravity | Several reasons actually |
| 22:45.21 | etchPRSN | which is ? |
| 22:45.26 | mordy_ | hmm.. i guess i can use xfontsel itself (as much as i can read it) to see what misc is showing up as |
| 22:45.30 | etchPRSN | which are, then :-) |
| 22:45.32 | Wyzard | core fonts don't support antialiasing |
| 22:45.56 | Wyzard | and are, apparently, overcomplicated |
| 22:46.00 | mordy_ | gravity: fixed looks normal in xfontsel |
| 22:46.21 | gravity | mordy_: That one should be the default if it's not being configured in some other way |
| 22:46.32 | mordy_ | so i guess my initial assumption about the default font being overriden is wrong |
| 22:46.48 | gravity | In addition to what Wyzard said, they're a performance drain, and don't effectively support modern needs for character set complexity |
| 22:47.02 | mordy_ | yeah, they suck |
| 22:47.11 | mordy_ | but a lot of stuff still use them |
| 22:47.19 | gravity | Not much left, fortunately. |
| 22:47.22 | gravity | legacy apps |
| 22:47.27 | mordy_ | (i'm actually also wanting to use icewm, which relies on those fonts as well) |
| 22:47.34 | etchPRSN | agrees with himself on this... something isnt being supported by enough little packages (I think my linux instructor would surely give me an A for that :) |
| 22:49.10 | mordy_ | fixed seems to be normal. |
| 22:49.21 | mordy_ | but can you at least identify the font itself? |
| 22:49.30 | gravity | Not me, I don't know the core fonts that well. |
| 22:49.33 | mordy_ | i could try poking around in the config files and search for its string |
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| 22:50.03 | mordy_ | or maybe even specify the fixed font as default explicitly. i don't know where this is supposed to be set |
| 22:50.30 | gravity | There's probably an X resource you can use |
| 22:50.41 | mordy_ | yes.. but which? |
| 22:50.43 | karim | pacging channels are very quiet |
| 22:51.08 | mordy_ | the Xresources syntax is also horribly obscure :| |
| 22:51.27 | gravity | Yes. |
| 22:51.28 | mordy_ | XResources*Syntax: HorriblyObscure |
| 22:52.21 | simonrvn | (pango and fontconfig)++ |
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| 22:52.30 | Wyzard | gravity: Do you know offhand whether xorg supports configuring video drivers via HAL properties? |
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| 22:52.49 | Wyzard | gravity: (I've been looking for info on the web but haven't been able to find any, and I'm wondering if it's just not supported yet) |
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| 22:54.44 | gravity | Wyzard: No, the server doesn't use HAL for video stuff at all right now |
| 22:54.48 | gravity | Maybe in the future, we'll see |
| 22:54.51 | Wyzard | ok |
| 22:54.54 | gaintsura | is there a way to split a large text file into, say 7 or 8 pieces? |
| 22:55.15 | gravity | gaintsura: split |
| 22:55.17 | tho | man split |
| 22:55.20 | Wyzard | It does seem to use HAL to some extent -- something's setting info.linux.driver="nvidia" on my video card when xorg starts |
| 22:55.37 | Wyzard | but it doesn't read that property; if I write an .fdi to set it myself, it doesn't make xorg use the nvidia driver |
| 22:55.52 | gravity | I'm surprised it's even setting something though |
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| 22:56.05 | simonrvn | hal is probably reading it from udev? |
| 22:56.06 | gravity | But I'm definitely behind the curve a bit on such things |
| 22:56.13 | simonrvn | or /sys |
| 22:56.19 | gravity | Ah, of course |
| 22:56.20 | Wyzard | I don't know for certain that xorg is what's setting it |
| 22:56.45 | Wyzard | but when I remove my xorg.conf and xorg defaults to the "nv" driver (and fails to start for reasons relating to a framebuffer console), that property isn't set |
| 22:56.48 | gravity | I'd bet simonrvn is right. A kernel module is possibly getting loaded by X. That's what happens with dri, although I don't know what would be going on with nv. |
| 22:57.17 | Wyzard | oh, so maybe it's the loading of the nvidia kernel module... that's a possibility, and it does get loaded automatically by the xorg driver |
| 22:57.19 | mordy_ | AFAIK Xresources lets you set application-specific resources, but i don't know about a universal default X font |
| 22:57.21 | gravity | Ah, ok, that makes more sense. Does nvidia also rely on the server to get the kernel module loaded? |
| 22:57.42 | Wyzard | the kernel module can be loaded manually, but the xorg driver loads it automatically if it isn't already present |
| 22:57.45 | simonrvn | it tries to load it if it isn't i think - not sure |
| 22:57.49 | simonrvn | ok |
| 22:58.08 | gravity | Yep, mystery solved |
| 22:58.22 | Wyzard | My desktop has an xorg.conf that contains nothing but a Device section telling to to use "nvidia" instead of "nv", and I was hoping to configure that via HAL so I could get rid of xorg.conf altogether :-) |
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| 22:59.00 | gravity | Not today. There's no benefit to configuring that through hal vs xorg.conf really |
| 22:59.06 | gravity | At least not today. |
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| 22:59.22 | simonrvn | i still need mine to tell the card to go into the highest agp mode it can, otherwise my x will start running odd errors and eventually lock up :(. |
| 22:59.25 | Wyzard | I know... I just think it's cool to not need an xorg.conf at all ;-) |
| 22:59.29 | asdfqwer | fastest browser on debian is? |
| 22:59.40 | Wyzard | (my laptop, with an Intel GPU, has been working fine without one for months) |
| 22:59.45 | gravity | simonrvn: That's been hugely annoying for the various radeons. |
| 22:59.51 | simonrvn | i'm happy it defaults to EXA for ati/radeon now ;). |
| 22:59.54 | gravity | Although usually it's the other way around |
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| 23:00.13 | simonrvn | had to do both before |
| 23:00.16 | asdfqwer | whats a fast, light-weight, alt web-browser |
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| 23:00.38 | simonrvn | afk |
| 23:00.38 | Wyzard | asdfqwer: I use Epiphany (GNOME's browser) |
| 23:01.06 | freaky_t | what is a good solution to have system statistics on a debian server (i mean webstats)? |
| 23:01.07 | Wyzard | currently Gecko-based, but they're switching it to WebKit |
| 23:01.17 | asdfqwer | Wyzard, Epiphany acts funny on my machine sometimes |
| 23:01.27 | Wyzard | Funny in what way? |
| 23:01.51 | asdfqwer | sometimes it'll not parse the page at all and pixelate into my desktop |
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| 23:02.15 | Wyzard | "pixelate" into your desktop? |
| 23:02.20 | asdfqwer | althought, i haven't tested it in 8.10 |
| 23:02.56 | mordy_ | lol |
| 23:02.59 | asdfqwer | ya, like the page won't display even once epiphany has parsed the page |
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| 23:03.15 | Wyzard | asdfqwer: 8.10 is an Ubuntu version; if you're having trouble with epiphany in Ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu |
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| 23:03.21 | asdfqwer | then as you mouseover different portions of the page certain elements begin to appear |
| 23:03.31 | Wyzard | I've been using it for years and I don't think I've ever had a problem like that |
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| 23:03.42 | Wyzard | (Epiphany, that is, not Ubuntu) |
| 23:04.44 | asdfqwer | I keep forgetting I switched :3 |
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| 23:08.08 | freaky_t | hi all. what is a good solution to have system statistics on a debian server (i mean webstats)? |
| 23:08.31 | gog | phpsysinfo might work |
| 23:08.51 | gog | unless that's not what you mean |
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| 23:09.26 | air_ | hi all |
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| 23:09.53 | air_ | hi can i find repositories for debian 5.0 amd64? |
| 23:10.14 | etchPRSN | debian.org ? |
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| 23:10.53 | Polarina | air_: debian.org |
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| 23:11.12 | mordy_ | or apt-spy |
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| 23:12.26 | mordy_ | i wish there was some actual documentation available on what i can do. the manpages are of no help, and google is full of results that i don't want. mainly individual programs telling you how to change their _own_ default fonts in Xresources |
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| 23:12.51 | air_ | mordy_, there's no apt-spy |
| 23:13.05 | etchPRSN | mordy... what flavor of debian do you use ? |
| 23:13.11 | mordy_ | etchPRSN: lenny |
| 23:13.16 | etchPRSN | ok |
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| 23:14.03 | air_ | how do i find out which flavor do i use? :)) |
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| 23:14.11 | air_ | uname -a doesn't tell that |
| 23:14.24 | freaky_t | gog no that's not enough information i want detailed system statistics |
| 23:14.52 | gravity | air_: A quick and dirty and possibly very wrong way is to cat /etc/debian-version |
| 23:15.08 | Wyzard | mordy_: looks like you can use "xrdb -all -edit <filename>" to save the current loaded resources to a file, so you can look for any font-related settings that may be in effect |
| 23:15.16 | air_ | gravity, no such file |
| 23:15.27 | gravity | debian_version |
| 23:15.32 | streuner_ | !version |
| 23:15.33 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 23:15.33 | air_ | 5.0 |
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| 23:15.55 | mordy_ | Wyzard: there isn't much in my xrdb except the dpi seting (100) and the cursor |
| 23:16.16 | mordy_ | 5.0 is lenny |
| 23:16.24 | Wyzard | mordy_: Is that from using the command I just mentioned, or from some other file that you looked at? |
| 23:16.44 | mordy_ | Wyzard: from using the command you mentioned (which gives identical output to xrdb -q btw) |
| 23:16.59 | Wyzard | ok |
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| 23:17.19 | adama_ | how come my root prompt has a # but echo $PS1 has a $ |
| 23:19.11 | Wyzard | adama_: Your $PS1 contains \$, which is not a literal $, it's a token that means "if the effective UID is 0, a #, otherwise a $" |
| 23:19.18 | mordy_ | it may be defoma or fontconfig messing something. i really am not sure as to their heirarchy |
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| 23:20.07 | Wyzard | adama_: Look in the section titled "PROMPTING" in the bash manpage |
| 23:20.13 | starbuck33_ | ! |
| 23:20.17 | streuner_ | !ops inckie spams us with some random website |
| 23:20.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner_ complains about: inckie spams us with some random website |
| 23:20.19 | starbuck33_ | !help |
| 23:20.59 | streuner_ | starbuck33_: /msg dpkg help (if you need help about dpkg) |
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| 23:21.24 | adama_ | Wyzard: ok, well on my work computer root gets a # but on this laptop root has $ |
| 23:21.40 | Wyzard | What's root's $PS1 on the laptop? |
| 23:22.28 | mordy_ | i see there's an /etc/fonts/conf.d |
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| 23:22.40 | air_ | to be honest... i don't see ftp repositories list at debian.org |
| 23:22.50 | air_ | can someone point me to it |
| 23:22.57 | Wyzard | adama_: on my system, root's $PS1 is "\h:\w\$" |
| 23:23.04 | streuner_ | !+tell air_ -about netinstall |
| 23:23.05 | dpkg | told air_ about netinstall. |
| 23:23.06 | mordy_ | is there a way to just reset all my font settings? |
| 23:23.12 | air_ | XD |
| 23:23.36 | mordy_ | dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig just seems to update the font cache |
| 23:23.40 | adama_ | Wyzard: ah, I got it working. PS1 was \h:\w\e[0;31m$\e[m |
| 23:23.48 | etchPRSN | air_ http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 23:23.55 | adama_ | Wyzard: an extra \ is required in .bashrc |
| 23:24.28 | mordy_ | ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[31m\]\u@\h:\[\033[33m\]\w\[\033[01;31m\]\$ \[\e[00m\] |
| 23:24.31 | mordy_ | lol |
| 23:24.32 | adama_ | PS1 is now \h:\w\e[0;31m\$\e[m |
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| 23:24.55 | mordy_ | i have a colorful prompt though :P |
| 23:24.55 | streuner_ | !listkeys prompt |
| 23:24.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'prompt' by key (2): bashprompt ;; zsh prompt. |
| 23:25.06 | streuner_ | dpkg, bashprompt |
| 23:25.06 | dpkg | get it at http://bash.current.nu/themes.html (Configures the prompt in a bash shell), or a guide may be found here: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-tip-prompt/, or ask me about <bash eternal history>. |
| 23:25.44 | air_ | etchPRSN, isn't that only pointing to cd/dvds? |
| 23:25.59 | streuner_ | sure |
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| 23:26.54 | mordy_ | air_: you can try this for starters |
| 23:26.56 | mordy_ | deb http://ftp.debian.org/ lenny contrib main non-free |
| 23:27.12 | adb | !sources |
| 23:27.12 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 23:27.33 | air_ | thanks |
| 23:27.41 | adb | air_: ^^ |
| 23:28.13 | streuner_ | !amd64 |
| 23:28.13 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64> |
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| 23:28.46 | streuner_ | well, 6 users in that channel |
| 23:28.58 | mordy_ | that factoid seems to be old |
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| 23:29.05 | streuner_ | !factinfo amd64 |
| 23:29.05 | dpkg | amd64 -- last modified at Tue Oct 14 15:54:50 2008 by themill!n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 149 times, last by streuner_, 52s ago. |
| 23:29.13 | mordy_ | hmm... |
| 23:29.13 | air_ | seems like i will be able to install mc at last XD |
| 23:29.40 | mordy_ | grrr.... |
| 23:29.48 | streuner_ | there is a fine FAQ for amd64 Debian as well, IIRC |
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| 23:30.15 | streuner_ | You should read that first |
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| 23:31.17 | mordy_ | would reinstalling fontconfig help my problem? |
| 23:31.42 | air_ | streuner_, aha, right after i make it 100hz not 60 'cause it really kills my ability to think |
| 23:31.58 | mordy_ | huh? |
| 23:32.41 | mordy_ | reinstalls fontconfig and defoma |
| 23:33.15 | bluethundr_ | how do I determine the installation path for the following? mysql, apache-tomcat and java? |
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| 23:33.20 | jerlique | SHould "apt-cache search ntpd" return a package on lenny? |
| 23:33.47 | adama_ | jerlique: yes, several |
| 23:33.50 | mordy_ | it gives me quite a few pacakges |
| 23:33.55 | adama_ | ntpdate for example |
| 23:34.11 | streuner_ | bludt: in general, dpkg -L <package> should help |
| 23:34.23 | jerlique | I thought it should. Why would I not get any results? |
| 23:34.24 | mordy_ | or apt-file |
| 23:34.25 | streuner_ | bluethundr_: ^^^ |
| 23:34.34 | mordy_ | jerlique: check your repositories |
| 23:34.36 | bluethundr_ | ah! great.. many thanks |
| 23:34.39 | mordy_ | update them |
| 23:35.04 | bluethundr_ | is new to full time linux work but is grateful he has found a way to find someone to pay him for his favorite hobby |
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| 23:35.05 | starbuck33_ | does somebody use rtorrent? is there a way to autostart downloading after program-start? |
| 23:35.12 | mordy_ | unless you're running some exotic architecture which does not have a port |
| 23:35.36 | jerlique | mordy_: Where do you set the repositry? |
| 23:35.53 | mordy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.03 | mordy_ | askk the dpkg bot for more |
| 23:36.27 | streuner_ | well, ntpd isnt in the mirrors by that name, IIRC |
| 23:36.27 | adb | !tell jerlique about sources |
| 23:36.42 | streuner_ | just use "apt-cache search ntp" that should help |
| 23:37.06 | mordy_ | any ideas about my font woes? |
| 23:37.11 | streuner_ | but why do you think you need ntpd? |
| 23:37.27 | streuner_ | or do you just need an daemon which get the time? |
| 23:38.02 | streuner_ | apt-get install ntpdate is usually enough |
| 23:38.09 | streuner_ | !ntpdate |
| 23:38.10 | dpkg | [ntpdate] a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. |
| 23:38.27 | jerlique | streuner_: did you see my original question? |
| 23:38.29 | air_ | what do you usually edit .conf files with? |
| 23:38.32 | bluethundr_ | this is the result of the command you showed for mysql: Package `mysql' is not installed. |
| 23:38.42 | bluethundr_ | which is weird because it is most _definitely_ installed |
| 23:38.58 | adama_ | bluethundr_: it's a meta-package |
| 23:39.10 | adama_ | you probably want mysql-server-5.0 |
| 23:39.20 | bluethundr_ | ah great.. thanks |
| 23:40.43 | jerlique | adb: Thanks. Thats fixed it |
| 23:40.51 | adb | air_: mc, nano ... |
| 23:40.52 | streuner_ | jerlique: just use packages.debian.org/ntpd , if you dont trust me :-) |
| 23:40.52 | gueux | I'm trying to install the proggyfonts. I've copied the *.pcf.gz to /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ |
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| 23:41.09 | gueux | but that does not seem to be sufficient :( |
| 23:41.24 | gueux | do you know how I could do? |
| 23:42.16 | adb | yw |
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| 23:42.53 | bluethundr_ | well, that worked for mysql but sudo dpkg -L tomcat5.5 doesn't find anything either. could that be a meta-package too? I also need to find the install location for java... |
| 23:43.14 | bluethundr_ | I tried doing an aptitude search for the package name for tomcat.. but using those results didn't work |
| 23:43.27 | streuner_ | grep for jave (package-list) |
| 23:43.30 | streuner_ | java* |
| 23:43.40 | streuner_ | if its even installed :-) |
| 23:43.40 | bluethundr_ | okay, I'll give that a try |
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| 23:44.03 | bluethundr_ | it is.. java -v yields the version. ;) for some reason tho they want to know the _location_ |
| 23:44.25 | bluethundr_ | why they need to know the location is a bit beyond me.. shouldn't they be more concerned with the location of the config files? |
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| 23:46.05 | adama_ | bluethundr_: $ type java |
| 23:46.12 | adama_ | or which java |
| 23:46.44 | adama_ | probably /usr/bin/java |
| 23:46.49 | adama_ | then ls -l /usr/bin/java |
| 23:47.00 | adama_ | it is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/java |
| 23:47.19 | adama_ | ls -l /etc/alternatives/java will tell you the location |
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| 23:47.30 | edwin_quijada | Hi |
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| 23:47.39 | edwin_quijada | i have a question about apache |
| 23:48.17 | adama_ | more symlinks |
| 23:48.35 | edwin_quijada | apache can listen for 2 or more ports .... example listen in port 3000,4000 and 5000 |
| 23:48.41 | edwin_quijada | at same time |
| 23:49.02 | adama_ | bluethundr_: also, /msg dpkg java |
| 23:49.25 | bluethundr_ | great.. I'll give that a try.. also need to find that info for tomcat as well |
| 23:50.06 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.32 | adb | bluethundr_: ^^ |
| 23:51.03 | air_ | adb, seems like mc is hiding |
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| 23:51.15 | etg | is there a linux app that lets me resize video easily? |
| 23:51.23 | air_ | and nano too |
| 23:51.32 | adama_ | etg: mencoder |
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| 23:51.45 | etg | adama_: that's hard |
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| 23:52.02 | adama_ | yes, yes it is :) |
| 23:52.11 | Eulex | edwin_quijada, yes it can. |
| 23:52.34 | gueux | do you know how I can add a font .pcf.gz? |
| 23:53.51 | adb | air_: unhide it F9 > Options> Configuration> check "show Hidden files" |
| 23:54.42 | edwin_quijada | Eulex: I have an app that need listen in port 80 but it has conflict with my web |
| 23:54.56 | edwin_quijada | so i need to lilsten this app in another port |
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| 23:55.44 | viqas | ootz ootz ootz |
| 23:56.05 | Eulex | edwin_quijada, take a look at /etc/apache2/ports.conf and also adjust your site configuration if necessary. |
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| 23:56.26 | edwin_quijada | ok |
| 23:56.30 | edwin_quijada | thks Eulex |
| 23:57.45 | air_ | adb, it's hiding from installation |
| 23:57.47 | adb | air_:(use user "root" for system configuration )and i means for "mc' , or use > nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:58.15 | air_ | i just didn't yet find mc in administration-->add/remove proggies |
| 23:58.25 | air_ | plenty of repos added already |
| 23:58.42 | adb | apt-get install mc |
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| 23:59.20 | adb | sure , after "apt-get update" |
| 23:59.35 | air_ | gonna wait until updates finish |
