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| 00:00.24 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: There's also a module called "v4l2-common" apparently. |
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| 00:00.54 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: You could try loading that too. |
| 00:00.56 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: you reckon that's worth loading before I reboot? |
| 00:01.06 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the package name? |
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| 00:01.23 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: I would try it. Not a package, it's a module that you have isntalled if it's a stock kernel. |
| 00:01.35 | beardy | !modprobe |
| 00:01.35 | dpkg | Add module to kernel: "modprobe foo"; Remove module from kernel: "modprobe -r foo". See also: <modules>, <modconf>, "man modprobe", "man modprobe.conf", /etc/modprobe.d/* , <blacklist> |
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| 00:02.15 | jpinx-eeepc | has astock lenny kernel |
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| 00:02.59 | beardy | Then you have an equivalent of: |
| 00:03.01 | beardy | /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-xen-amd64/kernel/drivers/media/video/v4l2-common.ko |
| 00:03.01 | beardy | /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-xen-amd64/kernel/drivers/media/video/v4l2-int-device.ko |
| 00:04.48 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: So 'modprobe v4l2-common', or the other one.. |
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| 00:04.55 | Firenight | hey |
| 00:05.25 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: I now have v4l2-common.ko & v4l2-int-device.ko |
| 00:05.28 | Firenight | I am trying to transfer a file from linux to windows over a network. anyone know the command to use in ssh to grab the file and pull it to your computer? |
| 00:06.36 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Any difference in linphone? |
| 00:06.41 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: both now modprob'd |
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| 00:07.48 | beardy | Firenight: 'man scp', are you using putty's pscp, or ssh under cygwin, or what? |
| 00:07.58 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: I now get " UDP port 5060 seems already in use. cannot initialize" |
| 00:08.17 | Firenight | putty in windows and debian in the linux |
| 00:09.28 | theswellseason | How can I tell what processes are using my soundcard? |
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| 00:10.13 | jpinx | kills a few processes on the eeepc to speed things along |
| 00:10.16 | abrotman | theswellseason: lsof |
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| 00:10.37 | beardy | Firenight: You can also use WinSCP under Windows. 'pscp yourusername@yourdebianbox:filename' to grab it from your Debian machine, dropping it in the current directory with the same name, probably. |
| 00:10.40 | stdisease | lsof | grep snd ; if app uses alsa |
| 00:10.50 | beardy | Firenight: 'pscp /?' |
| 00:11.23 | beardy | jpinx: Well that's cerainly.. interesting. |
| 00:11.37 | Deeta | would anyone know if there is a repo of the linux-libre around? |
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| 00:12.00 | Firenight | hmm let me see if I got it |
| 00:12.28 | jpinx | beardy: and still only sound in the config window (obviously) |
| 00:13.05 | beardy | jpinx: Btw, is linphone necessary, there's ekiga too. (Not really used either, but seems popular.) |
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| 00:13.59 | beardy | jpinx: Hmm. Ah.. but are you sure that build, or linphone under Linux at all, does video, at all? |
| 00:14.26 | jpinx | ekiga is gnome bloat |
| 00:14.49 | jpinx | and linphone started out on linux - they only added XP support last year |
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| 00:14.55 | beardy | jpinx: May very well be, some would say that video when talking to grandma is bloat too. ;) |
| 00:15.03 | jpinx | heh |
| 00:15.04 | Firenight | got it thank you |
| 00:15.14 | abrotman | IIRC ekiga can do video also |
| 00:15.24 | jpinx | yes - it can |
| 00:15.36 | jpinx | but it's huge compared to linphone |
| 00:15.56 | beardy | jpinx: Ok. But on their upstream page.. which isn't really up to date, they only talked about video on windows in the news.. I guess we should read the package description.. |
| 00:16.44 | jpinx | 69MBs for Ekiga - 9MBs for linphone - no contestg for a wee eeepc ;) |
| 00:17.19 | beardy | jpinx: I don't get the impression it does video.. so can you confirm that it actually does? |
| 00:18.17 | rysiek|pl | jpinx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekiga |
| 00:18.22 | jpinx | agreed - I was working from a list provided on a "review of VoIP's" website |
| 00:18.43 | jpinx | has ekiga installed too |
| 00:18.52 | rysiek|pl | jpinx: sorry, it was meant for beardy ;) |
| 00:18.57 | rysiek|pl | beardy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekiga |
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| 00:19.11 | beardy | wonders why. |
| 00:19.14 | beardy | jpinx: http://www.linphone.org/index.php/eng/features |
| 00:19.37 | rysiek|pl | supposes his lost a bit |
| 00:19.39 | beardy | jpinx: It does (and well you said you could choose video codecs and so on, nevermind..) |
| 00:19.39 | rysiek|pl | ah well |
| 00:20.23 | beardy | jpinx: "Supports any webcam with V4L or V4L2 driver under linux" |
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| 00:21.26 | beardy | jpinx: But we don't know if your camera works in anything else than skype, which may be able to use it with V4L, or does some tricks itself.. can you grab an image from it in any other program? |
| 00:22.36 | jpinx | beardy: the camera works with mplayer and aMSN as well |
| 00:23.22 | beardy | jpinx: The version in lenny seems old.. |
| 00:23.38 | jpinx | didn't see anything new in backports |
| 00:24.17 | theswellseason | I tried lsof to see what processes were using my soundcard, killed those processes and tried to run the program I want to use, and it still is telling me something else is using my soundcard |
| 00:24.27 | themill | !list alsa users |
| 00:24.28 | dpkg | To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
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| 00:24.41 | beardy | jpinx: Check the changelog if it mentions V4L2? |
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| 00:25.13 | beardy | jpinx: Upstream version is 3.something, in lenny 2.1.1+more |
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| 00:26.02 | theswellseason | themill, the only processes it listed were su bash and ps |
| 00:26.15 | theswellseason | I doubt those are using my soundcard |
| 00:27.05 | themill | theswellseason: listed by what? |
| 00:27.07 | jpinx | beardy: n othing newer in backports http://backports.deb.at/lenny-backports/ |
| 00:27.39 | theswellseason | the string of commands starting in ps `lsof |
| 00:28.09 | theswellseason | er nevermind |
| 00:28.12 | theswellseason | I figured it our |
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| 00:28.28 | stdisease | theswellseason, it maybe you have a case of missing permissions |
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| 00:28.48 | bluethundr | I set aside a separate partition for my mysql database. however whenever I try to use it, mysql breaks. if I specify /myql as the datadir in my my.cnf file the whole thing goes to hell.. |
| 00:29.26 | stdisease | bluethundr, you mean it crashes? What kind of output does it give? |
| 00:29.31 | jpinx | beardy: got rid of the strange UDP 5060 message |
| 00:29.47 | jpinx | a previous instance of linphone had not been killed properly |
| 00:30.00 | stdisease | Maybe the dir/mount should be owned by the mysql user/grp |
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| 00:30.01 | beardy | jpinx: Ah. |
| 00:30.25 | jpinx | now back to where we were - not working and no config for "multimedia" only "sound" |
| 00:30.26 | bluethundr | one sec. I will reproduce so I can show u what's going on |
| 00:30.34 | bluethundr | sorry I thought I already had the mistake in place |
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| 00:30.54 | bluethundr | in the meantime here are the permissions on the new partition |
| 00:30.55 | bluethundr | drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql mysql 56 2009-04-19 19:51 mysql |
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| 00:31.09 | Drakeson | how can I ask X to use "EXA"? |
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| 00:31.44 | amphi | Drakeson: do you know that it isn't? |
| 00:31.46 | jpinx | wonders if running linphone over ssh -X makes a difference |
| 00:32.34 | beardy | jpinx: Well, not sure how to move on. Either we conclude that that version of linphone doesn't do video. (Why would it not display any video settings for you at all just because it can't find a device to use). Or you could try unloading the V4L kernel module(s), and see if it is using the V4L2 module if testing it in mplayer again. A reboot might be nice to be sure of things.. |
| 00:33.15 | Drakeson | I just compared an ubuntu live CD's Xorg log with my debian box. (the same machine). Apart from Xserver version being lower in ubunut, the major difference seems to start from the point ubuntu picks up EXA, and debian uses XAA. |
| 00:33.23 | beardy | jpinx: Not when it comes to its settings, it doesn't know where you put the display up. |
| 00:33.34 | jpinx | ok beardy - I'll do the reboot as it stands with those modules loaded. Unless they conflict in some way? |
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| 00:33.39 | abrotman | !exa |
| 00:33.40 | dpkg | from memory, peta is a really big metric prefix, or 10^15, or the people for the ethical treatment of animals... not to be confused with the animal liberation front... |
| 00:33.44 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 00:33.50 | rysiek|pl | beardy, jpinx: google suggests that linphone suppors video from version 1.x |
| 00:33.57 | abrotman | Drakeson: i'm sure google could answer it .. i think it's a single line |
| 00:33.58 | bluethundr | this is the error I get when I try to use the /mysql partition |
| 00:34.00 | bluethundr | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
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| 00:34.29 | beardy | jpinx: Then there would have been whining, but you could remove the V4L1 modules just to be sure that the other one is actually used and working. |
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| 00:34.33 | Drakeson | abrotman: cool, thanks |
| 00:34.35 | bluethundr | do I also need to change the location of mysqld.sock to the new part? |
| 00:34.35 | amphi | Drakeson: what X driver is it? |
| 00:34.37 | jpinx | has linphone 2.1.1 |
| 00:35.25 | amphi | Drakeson: if it's intel, it's described in man intel - but that should use EXA by default |
| 00:35.41 | Drakeson | both (ubuntu, debian) use radeon. let me search first. I assumed it might be one of the cases where binary firmware crap is removed by debian. |
| 00:36.06 | amphi | Drakeson: does 'grep EXA /var/log/Xorg.0.log' show nothing? |
| 00:36.31 | HeXiLeD | is there a force way to unmount an hd ? umount -f doesnt seem to work . this one guy unpluged his usb hd without unounting it and now it's plugged but we cant access. ( device is busy ) |
| 00:36.40 | beardy | jpinx: But well.. also to be sure, do it on the local monitor.. |
| 00:37.04 | jpinx | beardy: just been doing that - no change on the local screen |
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| 00:37.30 | jpinx | beardy: off to modprobe -r v4l1 and reboot |
| 00:37.35 | HeXiLeD | umount -l <-- worked |
| 00:37.41 | beardy | jpinx: Yep, ok. |
| 00:37.43 | drstroker | anyone know a good tutorial if i want a dedicated debian server for just DNS? |
| 00:38.25 | boghog | how can I make 'crontab -e' invoke vim instead of nano? I have EDITOR env var set to 'vim', not sure what else to try |
| 00:38.33 | Drakeson | amphi: no |
| 00:38.43 | beardy | !update-alternatives |
| 00:38.43 | dpkg | methinks update-alternatives is a program to run from the command line. or a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the debian alternatives system |
| 00:38.44 | Drakeson | amphi: actually, yes, where it says: XAA Render acceleration unsupported on Radeon 9500/9700 and newer. Please use EXA instead. |
| 00:38.45 | Drakeson | ;) |
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| 00:38.48 | justin | beardy: export EDITOR=vim should do it |
| 00:38.53 | amphi | Drakeson: heh |
| 00:38.59 | justin | grr |
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| 00:39.04 | amphi | Drakeson: man radeon should have the info |
| 00:39.06 | beardy | :) |
| 00:39.11 | justin | boghog: export EDITOR=vim should do it. also, apt-get remove nano :) |
| 00:39.34 | beardy | boghog: To force it 'EDITOR=vim crontab -e |
| 00:39.34 | rysiek|pl | boghog: or export VISUAL=vim |
| 00:39.36 | beardy | ' |
| 00:40.16 | Drakeson | amphi: thanks. |
| 00:40.23 | beardy | Might only care about VISUAL aswell yes.. |
| 00:40.31 | boghog | oh weird.. that does work |
| 00:40.56 | Drakeson | yet, I am wondering why ubuntu picks up the right one with an almost empty xorg.conf. |
| 00:41.15 | boghog | i don't get it though, $EDITOR does expand to 'vim' (i have this in my bashrc) |
| 00:41.34 | beardy | boghog: su:ed? |
| 00:41.47 | boghog | nah logged in as normal user |
| 00:41.54 | Drakeson | actually, what happened/is happening to xorg.conf? where are the settings being put? |
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| 00:42.17 | jpinx | beardy: it wouldn't let me modprobe -r the v4l1_compat, so I'm rebooting anyway |
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| 00:42.49 | amphi | Drakeson: xorg is meant to be auto-configuring these days |
| 00:43.01 | stdisease | Drakeson, err, it's a feature with xorg |
| 00:43.05 | beardy | boghog: Maybe it only cares about the default alternative, or the forced EDITOR=editor in front of it, and disregards your $EDITOR, though that's strange if so. |
| 00:43.06 | Vbal | Will gnash work with youtube? |
| 00:43.41 | beardy | boghog: But seems so. |
| 00:44.14 | boghog | beardy, yeah i just set EDITOR with 'export ' in front and now 'crontab -e' starts vim, i'm just not really sure how/why since I thought if $EDITOR expand to 'vim' it should be good |
| 00:44.36 | Drakeson | I understand, but how am I supposed to teach Xorg to use the settings I used to put in Device section? (my [almost] auto-generated xorg.conf does not have the device section anymore) |
| 00:44.37 | shootm3h | hi peeps, i'm on the debian site, is there any docs for a simple how-to on dist upgrading from squeeze to sid, or just a sample testing to unstable update how-to ? |
| 00:44.37 | boghog | some bad grammar there sorry :D |
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| 00:45.00 | beardy | Drakeson: You add it manually. |
| 00:45.20 | jpinx | beardy: still nothing after reboot :( |
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| 00:46.02 | jpinx | no multimedia option in config - so it is not seeing the cam ata ll |
| 00:46.10 | beardy | Drakeson: Write your own Device section, hopefully you have an old copy that you used before, otherwise dig one up or learn to write one. |
| 00:46.29 | maxos | im trying to install firefox. could anyone explain how to get permission to extract to the main directory? |
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| 00:46.53 | beardy | jpinx: Ok. Weird behavior though not to show you blanked out options even. |
| 00:47.10 | maxos | im a complete noob |
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| 00:47.29 | maxos | just changed from ubuntu |
| 00:47.33 | beardy | jpinx: Greyed out.. like most things would do. |
| 00:47.42 | jpinx | beardy: there is a space at the bottom half of th4e configs window where your screenshot shoed the video settings |
| 00:47.45 | Drakeson | Is there a better way, to ask xorg "Change your default from XAA to EXA, and other than this, just behave as you would when you see an almost empty xorg.conf"? I appreciate the effort to abolish xorg.conf. |
| 00:47.58 | jpinx | but nothing "greyed-out" |
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| 00:48.48 | beardy | jpinx: Hmm yes.. silly question time, have you enlarged the window downwards? |
| 00:48.48 | amphi | Drakeson: dunno; I still have my old xorg.conf ;) |
| 00:49.09 | jpinx | :) - yep |
| 00:49.48 | maxos | could anyone please tell me how to get permission to extract to a directory? |
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| 00:50.25 | beardy | maxos: Extracting means writing, you need write permission to the directory to be able to do that. |
| 00:50.39 | maxos | and how do i get that |
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| 00:51.45 | beardy | maxos: 'chmod u+w directoryname' will add write permission for the user that owns the directory. Please read 'man chmod' to learn how to use it more. |
| 00:52.29 | maxos | can i just do chmod u+w ./ ? |
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| 00:53.08 | beardy | maxos: If you are "standing in" the directory you want write permission for, yes. But first before you do it, which directory is this? |
| 00:53.15 | jpinx | beardy: there is an enable video box which when I tick it causes the camera display to show a few funny lines |
| 00:53.26 | beardy | jpinx: Oh, progress. :) |
| 00:53.51 | maxos | can i just do chmod u+w ./ ? |
| 00:53.53 | beardy | jpinx: Any settings popping up when doing that? |
| 00:54.00 | jpinx | nope:( |
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| 00:55.08 | bluethundr | still getting this error: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/mysql/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (13) |
| 00:55.37 | bluethundr | I tried creating the file with touch .. no go |
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| 00:56.13 | pl4yer0ne | bluethundr, touch isnt going to work because it needs to be an actual socket |
| 00:56.22 | bluethundr | ah.. ok. good to know |
| 00:56.35 | pl4yer0ne | check the mysql logs and it will probably say that it didnt have permission to write that file |
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| 00:57.20 | bluethundr | okay.. I thought the other admin turned on logging.. it appears that he hasn't. I will do that. unfortunately, I'm kinda doing his job for him.. even though he's the better mysql guy. ;-) |
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| 00:57.39 | beardy | bluethundr: /var/log/syslog |
| 00:57.41 | pl4yer0ne | normally debians socket would be trying to create itself in /var/run/mysqld/ |
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| 00:58.06 | bluethundr | that's what the default is.. however, if I leave the default I get the same error. only complaining about that location |
| 00:58.49 | pl4yer0ne | is the mysql service running as a different user that doesnt have write permssions to those locations? |
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| 00:59.13 | beardy | bluethundr: You aren't running Debian are you. |
| 00:59.25 | bluethundr | sure I am. want me to prove it? |
| 00:59.35 | stdisease | bluethundr, ok prove it |
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| 01:01.03 | bluethundr | ok. sorry I thought uname -a would say |
| 01:01.04 | bluethundr | Linux db 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 18:08:45 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:01.10 | pattern | does anyone know if there's a program like strace that will record the calls a program makes (but not just system calls, like strace, but all library calls and internal function calls) ? can gdb do that? |
| 01:01.18 | bluethundr | wait.. one sec |
| 01:01.25 | abrotman | bluethundr: is that lenny? |
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| 01:01.53 | bluethundr | yes, it's lenny |
| 01:01.55 | bluethundr | Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) Server at 96.57.117.27 Port 80 |
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| 01:02.08 | abrotman | bluethundr: your kernel is out of date |
| 01:02.17 | adb | jpinx: apt-cache show camstream |
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| 01:03.09 | bluethundr | interesting.. it's a freshly installed system. |
| 01:03.21 | Tramp | pattern: ltrace may do |
| 01:03.47 | stdisease | bluethundr, it doesn't say Debian, all I see is Watson Come here |
| 01:03.50 | jpinx | adb: reading - thanks |
| 01:03.57 | bluethundr | do u think the kernel version could be contributing to my error? |
| 01:04.11 | bluethundr | yes, that's the placeholder page until the developers/designers do their thing |
| 01:04.19 | pattern | thanks, tramp |
| 01:04.27 | Tramp | yw |
| 01:04.37 | bluethundr | try hitting alpha.beezag.com/foo.html (which doesn't exist) |
| 01:04.47 | beardy | bluethundr: Ok.. is the mysqld compiled by you or that other admin? |
| 01:04.55 | bluethundr | other guy |
| 01:05.09 | beardy | bluethundr: So it's not the Debian packaged version? |
| 01:05.22 | bluethundr | he told me he apt-got it... |
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| 01:06.03 | bluethundr | is there a mysql command that will reveal if it's a debian package? |
| 01:06.07 | beardy | bluethundr: Can you check if the package is installed or if it's compiled manually? That error message, or rather the location of the supposed socket did look very weird. |
| 01:06.41 | bluethundr | ah. sure thing. dpkg -L mysql will tell us? |
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| 01:07.12 | beardy | bluethundr: 'apt-cache policy mysql-server' or that perhaps yes. |
| 01:07.19 | stdisease | oh someone should upload the fglrx debs for 2.6.29 |
| 01:07.53 | bluethundr | am I clear to paste the output? it's small |
| 01:08.00 | abrotman | how small? |
| 01:08.18 | beardy | bluethundr: Is there an "installed" line? |
| 01:08.29 | bluethundr | yes, I'll show that |
| 01:08.30 | stdisease | >=3 pastebin.com pastebay.com pastebin.ca etc etc |
| 01:08.39 | bluethundr | Installed: 5.0.51a-24 |
| 01:09.21 | beardy | bluethundr: If you restart it, then check /var/log/syslog you should get some clues on what it thinks the problem is. |
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| 01:09.44 | bluethundr | http://pastebay.com/10190 |
| 01:09.50 | bluethundr | ok.. on it |
| 01:11.08 | maxos | i cant connect with my bluetooth mouse |
| 01:11.42 | lilkid | what's the best place to get paid for support for something trival like.. installing a wireless driver? |
| 01:12.07 | maxos | lol |
| 01:12.20 | beardy | You want that answer for free? |
| 01:12.27 | bluethundr | this is my syslog. don't see anything mysqly in thar.. http://pastebay.com/10191 |
| 01:12.28 | abrotman | lilkid: for which distro ? |
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| 01:12.37 | abrotman | lilkid: and which chipset? |
| 01:12.39 | pl4yer0ne | lilkid, do you own a Mac by any chance? |
| 01:12.49 | jpinx | ok beardy - I have a suspicion that the website is talking about version 3.x.x and I'm working with 2.1.1 so maybe the video was not incorporated till v3.x.x I can get v3.1.1 as a tar.gz, but how to make a deb installable from that ? |
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| 01:13.36 | maxos | can anyone please help me with my bluetooth mouse im new to debian |
| 01:13.37 | beardy | jpinx: Hmm. What's the version in unstable, (check testing first). |
| 01:13.57 | beardy | !simple sid backport |
| 01:13.58 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 01:14.09 | maxos | !bluetooth |
| 01:14.09 | dpkg | hmm... bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol: http://bluetooth.com/ , or about as secure as shouting. apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
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| 01:14.28 | jpinx | beardy: yea - squeeze has 3.0.0-3 |
| 01:14.41 | jpinx | how to get that without screwing my system? |
| 01:15.05 | beardy | jpinx: Depends on its dependencies, so the simple sid backport might be the better thing to try. |
| 01:15.20 | jpinx | it's in sid as the same version |
| 01:15.24 | bluethundr | ah! here's the clue we seem to be looking for! http://pastebay.com/10193 |
| 01:15.31 | jpinx | reads the sid backports instructions |
| 01:15.56 | beardy | jpinx: If it doesn't need anything of a higher version, you can install the package from sid. But do read think and plan before just trying. |
| 01:16.03 | lilkid | debian, etch, ipw2100-1.2.0 for centrino wireless support, though it needs a dependency installed as well (ieee80211) , and no I don't own a mac! |
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| 01:16.09 | maxos | how do i get debian to connect to my bluetooth mouse anyone? |
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| 01:16.46 | _rysiek|pl_ | maxos: hcitool should help |
| 01:16.46 | abrotman | maxos: did you do what the bot said? |
| 01:17.09 | maxos | abrotman, thats too complicated |
| 01:17.22 | abrotman | it's one command |
| 01:17.38 | maxos | oh hcitool? |
| 01:18.12 | _rysiek|pl_ | maxos: but first, to as the bot said |
| 01:18.17 | bluethundr | has anyone had a chance to look at the paste? |
| 01:18.29 | maxos | what did the bot said? |
| 01:18.39 | _rysiek|pl_ | ffs |
| 01:18.50 | beardy | maxos: dpkg responded to !bluetooth above, scroll up and read slowly please. |
| 01:18.51 | _rysiek|pl_ | dpkg tell maxos about bluetooth |
| 01:19.22 | maxos | oh ok |
| 01:19.32 | epsilon | hcitool for shell or use desktoptool of KDE/gnome |
| 01:20.35 | jpinx | beardy: is there a quick way to go through the dependenices and check them against what's in lenny? |
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| 01:21.21 | beardy | jpinx: Not that I know. Using the package listing on debian.org gives you an overview.. |
| 01:21.40 | jpinx | yep - I'm just going through them manually |
| 01:21.55 | beardy | bluethundr: Is that the last lines of your syslog? |
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| 01:22.03 | maxos | how do i get myself in the sudoers file? |
| 01:22.23 | lilkid | maxos: visudo |
| 01:22.31 | beardy | maxos: You read 'man 5 sudoers', then edit the file. |
| 01:22.32 | bluethundr | maxos: visudo -f /etc/sudoers |
| 01:22.54 | bluethundr | make sure u are root before issuing that command or won't work |
| 01:23.05 | _rysiek|pl_ | goes to get some sleep |
| 01:23.07 | _rysiek|pl_ | cu all |
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| 01:23.29 | maxos | bash: visudo: command not found |
| 01:23.30 | bluethundr | beardy: yes that is the last line in my syslog at last look. would u like me to check again? |
| 01:24.42 | lilkid | maxos: apt-get install sudo |
| 01:24.47 | beardy | bluethundr: Well, if you restart ('/etc/init.d/mysql restart') and then check the last lines.. you'd have some output from mysqld. |
| 01:25.15 | bluethundr | okay.. thought I did that. I'll try again and paste |
| 01:25.45 | lilkid | maxos: and as said before, make sure you only issue the command as root |
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| 01:26.13 | beardy | maxos: Also really read manpages, know what you do. |
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| 01:27.00 | lilkid | maxos: and take beardy's advice! |
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| 01:27.11 | jpinx | anyone able to enlighten me about the m68k reference on this lib ? libasound2 (>> 1.0.14) [m68k] |
| 01:27.18 | jpinx | beardy ^^ |
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| 01:27.34 | bluethundr | here is a more recent paste from /etc/init.d/mysql restart: http://pastebay.com/10197 |
| 01:28.03 | beardy | jpinx: Means that only the m68k version requires that dependency afaict. |
| 01:28.23 | maxos | i dont even know how to edit a file in terminal |
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| 01:29.08 | rmacd | maxos : vi, vim, nano - google any of these |
| 01:29.26 | jpinx | beardy: Hmmm - not entirely clear, but I'll mark it and we'll see |
| 01:29.29 | beardy | maxos: Then try out an editor first. There are many to choose from. nano has a help line at the bottom that might be good to start with right now if you have to edit a file successfully. |
| 01:29.48 | beardy | maxos: 'nano test.txt' and get familliar with it |
| 01:29.56 | maxos | ok but first i just want to get my bluetooth mouse working so i dont get carpal tunnle syndrome |
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| 01:30.39 | beardy | maxos: And.. just use su, you don't have to use sudo, that's what Ubuntu does, so that's why you think you have to |
| 01:30.40 | sprax | The package for phpmyadmin tries to reference /usr/sbin/apachectl which apparently as of lenny no longer exists (replaced with /usr/sbin/apache2ctl) |
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| 01:30.59 | rmacd | maxos : the 5 minutes it'll take you to learn how to use vi or nano won't give you carpal tunnel syndrome. |
| 01:31.09 | sprax | Please go easy on this humble n00b if it's my fault for not setting some var to make apache2 act like legacy apache or something... |
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| 01:31.39 | deever | why does openss-server depend on x11-common? |
| 01:31.54 | beardy | sprax: When doing what? |
| 01:31.55 | deever | s/openss/openssh/ |
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| 01:32.15 | stdisease | noobs generally aren't humble deep inside |
| 01:32.18 | beardy | sprax: Restarting apache with phpmyadmin? |
| 01:32.25 | sprax | beardy 1 sec I'll re-install it and capture the output |
| 01:32.35 | bluethundr | is all for going easy on humble n00bs and recognizes we were all there at one point in our lives while simultaneously being all for humanizing the image of the linux nerd. :) |
| 01:32.41 | beardy | sprax: Hold on. |
| 01:32.46 | gueux | I have a weird warning: "mutt: /usr/lib/libidn.so.11: no version information available (required by mutt)" |
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| 01:32.58 | gueux | do you know what it can be? |
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| 01:33.39 | rmacd | gueux: you're missing /usr/lib/libidn.so.11 |
| 01:33.47 | rmacd | do an apt-get search libidn |
| 01:33.49 | bluethundr | especially as I'm generally better at apache than mysql and am a bit n00b in this area myself. |
| 01:34.10 | sprax | ok it's pastebin.org right? |
| 01:34.17 | stdisease | sprax, right on |
| 01:34.23 | beardy | sprax: It wanted it when installing it? Possibly it only wanted to restart apache, in a very weird way.. it should use /etc/init.d/apache2 restart.. did you just glimpse the reference, or is phpmyadmin not functioning after the install? |
| 01:34.35 | stdisease | or .ca, or rafb.net or pastebay.com/org |
| 01:34.37 | maxos | thats funny: i have it set to have ALL as the root privilege specification |
| 01:34.41 | gueux | rmacd: no, it is there |
| 01:34.43 | bluethundr | beardy: ever have a chance to look at my most recent paste? |
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| 01:35.21 | sprax | beardy thats what I thought, and I just restarted apache2 manually anyway |
| 01:35.25 | sprax | will test in a second |
| 01:35.29 | sprax | pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m74a4d270 |
| 01:35.43 | gueux | I have libidn11 and libidn11-dev |
| 01:35.58 | gueux | (I installed dev after) |
| 01:36.08 | beardy | bluethundr: There's the error. "[ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist |
| 01:36.12 | beardy | Apr 19 21:25:28 db mysqld_safe[3072]: ended" |
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| 01:36.23 | adb | deever: because recommends are activated by default |
| 01:36.32 | bluethundr | beardy: thanks.. suggestions? |
| 01:36.36 | rmacd | gueux : do you have idn also? |
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| 01:37.07 | beardy | bluethundr: Find out why the table is not there? What happened before this? |
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| 01:37.25 | sprax | beardy phpmyadmin works fine. I just upgraded form etch to lenny. I still have an init script for apache even though I apt-get remove apache. Maybe apt is finding some reference to apache1 being installed? Its no big deal to me, I just wanted to alert the authorities. |
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| 01:37.39 | gueux | rmacd: yes |
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| 01:38.07 | zamba | is it possible to get a full log over what every user does using sudo? |
| 01:38.11 | gueux | but is not supposed to be usefull |
| 01:38.13 | beardy | sprax: Ah.. yes possibly. Also, to fully remove a package and all configuration files belonging to it, purge the package, remove only removes the binary, docs and such things. |
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| 01:38.50 | beardy | sprax: The "authorities" in this case would be an upgrade report. |
| 01:38.58 | jpinx | beardy: going through this list of dependencies shows some "not available" what do I do about them? |
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| 01:39.19 | bluethundr | beardy: actually the only thing that happened was switching the datadir to /mysql if you change the line in my.cnf back to datadir = /var/lib/mysql everything automagically works |
| 01:39.20 | beardy | jpinx: Not available in lenny? |
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| 01:39.39 | beardy | bluethundr: So.. why did you change it to that? |
| 01:39.43 | rmacd | gueux: hmm that's funny. is it just a warning? will mutt still run for you? |
| 01:39.54 | gueux | rmacd: yes |
| 01:39.58 | sprax | beardy thanks, I knew there was a command to nuke the confs too I forgot :( Bummer is now I can't apt-get purge apache because it's not installed, and it seems there is no longer a package called apache for me to install then purge. |
| 01:40.00 | beardy | jpinx: I think I'd compile it myself instead if it was me.. |
| 01:40.02 | gueux | it works well |
| 01:40.02 | jpinx | beardy - no - not available in sid |
| 01:40.07 | beardy | jpinx: Hmm.. |
| 01:40.07 | bluethundr | because I was asked to. :) we set aside a 125gb part for it in anticipation of having a lot of data |
| 01:40.18 | beardy | jpinx: Really depends, not recommends? |
| 01:40.33 | bluethundr | beardy: however that partition is set as LVM so it can go away if need be. but my boss really really wants it for some reason |
| 01:40.38 | jpinx | beardy I'm up for my first attempt at compiling if there's help around;) |
| 01:40.48 | beardy | sprax: Also, use aptitude instead. |
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| 01:41.13 | beardy | jpinx: Try the "simple sid backport" way. |
| 01:41.30 | beardy | jpinx: I should be going to bed. "soon".. |
| 01:41.31 | sprax | beardy yeah, I know, I'm lazy to read the man page (plus apt is easier to type :) ). Thanks again for your help, all is settled |
| 01:41.44 | jpinx | beardy: here's one dependencyy - libavutil1d (>= 0.cvs20070307) [m68k] Package not available |
| 01:41.58 | sprax | should I open a bug for the phpmyadmin package and have it use /etc/init.d/apache to do it's magic or is it more likely I borked my system? |
| 01:42.06 | rmacd | gueux: there doesn't seem to be any immediately obvious solutions on the 'net. and that type of error of course would typically suggest that the switch mutt is passing to the app is not sufficient to return the version information. |
| 01:42.27 | beardy | bluethundr: Well.. find out the reason.. of course things will break if you randomly set another directory like that, without moving the things it needs, there. |
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| 01:43.08 | bluethundr | *heavy sigh* |
| 01:43.09 | beardy | jpinx: Why all the m68k references, are you really looking at the package for your arch? |
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| 01:44.04 | bluethundr | beardy: I'm with u. I am not too thrilled to be figuring this out on a Sunday night for a Monday morning assignment because the other guy (read: better mysql guy) flaked. Sure there's nothing we can do to get this working? |
| 01:45.15 | beardy | bluethundr: Well, if you need to have all mysql's things there, in /mysql (this is horribly ugly and I don't get it) you have to atleast move the contents of /var/lib/mysql or what it is, there instead. |
| 01:45.28 | jpinx | beardy: there's no discrimination for arch |
| 01:45.42 | bluethundr | shakes beardy's hand |
| 01:45.52 | beardy | jpinx: Ok. But if it says m68k, I'm sure that's only valid for m68k, then. |
| 01:45.56 | beardy | :) |
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| 01:46.09 | jpinx | what's m68k ? |
| 01:46.18 | beardy | !m68k |
| 01:46.18 | dpkg | m68k is, like, Motorola 680x0 CPU family, used in Macs, Ataris, Amigas, Palm machines, older Sun workstations, and various VME bus systems. linux m68k runs on some of these, ucLinux should run on the less powerful models, or http://www.linux-m68k.org/faq/faq.html or #debian-68k on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:46.22 | bluethundr | ;) |
| 01:46.29 | jpinx | ah - ok |
| 01:46.44 | jpinx | should have asked dpkg myself;) |
| 01:46.49 | beardy | Hehe |
| 01:47.03 | abrotman | jpinx: fastest machines you can get for $1 :) |
| 01:47.15 | jpinx | ok beardy - I'll do the simple sid backport and see what happens |
| 01:47.26 | beardy | jpinx: Best of luck. :) |
| 01:47.33 | beardy | jpinx: (backups..) |
| 01:47.44 | jpinx | beardy: I'll let you know what happens tomorrow :) |
| 01:47.53 | beardy | jpinx: Yep, please do. :) |
| 01:47.56 | jpinx | thanks for the help beardy |
| 01:48.05 | beardy | No problem, you're welcome. |
| 01:48.14 | jpinx | is backed up against the wall ;) |
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| 01:54.42 | beardy | sprax: I'm not sure.. maybe it only would happen in an etch->lenny upgrade, since apache (1) is gone, isn't it? So an upgrade report maybe would be a better way to go, first atleast. |
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| 01:56.13 | beardy | sprax: IIRC it's described in the release notes how to use reportbug for an upgrade report. But most likely it wasn't harmful in any way, just a bit ugly on the phpmyadmin packages side so.. hmm yes, maybe bugreport.. |
| 01:56.39 | beardy | </rant> |
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| 02:00.43 | beardy | sprax: Also, you can safely remove (move first to be safe) the remains of apache 1 now when the package is gone. |
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| 02:02.26 | Pnux | simple stupid question, whats the package's name for the java plugin for iceweasel? |
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| 02:02.50 | stdisease | sun-java{5,6}-plugin |
| 02:02.58 | abrotman | Pnux: lenny? i386? |
| 02:03.22 | Pnux | abrotman: squeeze i686 |
| 02:03.33 | abrotman | Pnux: sun-java6-plugin |
| 02:03.40 | Pnux | abrotman: thanks a lot |
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| 02:05.16 | jpinx | can't believe that abrotman knew that off the top of his head |
| 02:05.18 | ed__ | Can someone give me a server name that gives support for IRC itself? |
| 02:05.23 | ed__ | I'm trying to figure things out |
| 02:05.37 | abrotman | jpinx: why? it's not like it's changed much |
| 02:05.51 | abrotman | ed__: you want to learn IRC? |
| 02:05.59 | jpinx | you never cease to amaze me abrotman ;) |
| 02:06.08 | ed__ | abrotman, yes |
| 02:06.14 | abrotman | !irc tutorial |
| 02:06.18 | beardy | ed__: Most networks has a #help channel. |
| 02:06.22 | abrotman | !irc basics |
| 02:06.22 | Drakeson | What do you say when you apt-get source PACKAGE, study debian/control and see it is different than what apt-cache show PACKAGE says? |
| 02:06.26 | abrotman | oh come on |
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| 02:06.33 | beardy | ed__: irchelp.org IIRC |
| 02:06.38 | abrotman | !irc primer |
| 02:06.38 | dpkg | it has been said that irc primer is http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html |
| 02:06.40 | abrotman | finally! |
| 02:06.50 | beardy | !win abrotman |
| 02:06.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 02:06.58 | beardy | Woo! |
| 02:07.16 | ed__ | #help |
| 02:07.19 | ed__ | sorry |
| 02:07.23 | beardy | :) |
| 02:07.29 | ed__ | how do I switch channels? |
| 02:07.35 | ed__ | "/ #help" ? |
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| 02:07.41 | beardy | ed__: /join #channel |
| 02:07.41 | Floops | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.42 | Pnux | ed__ just type /join #help |
| 02:07.56 | ed__ | beardy, Thank you! |
| 02:08.11 | beardy | ed__: /help would also possibly give you a lot of help depending on your client |
| 02:09.16 | jpinx | build-dep needs to get 199MBs and will use 458Mbs :( |
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| 02:09.55 | Pnux | dpkg: karma |
| 02:09.56 | jpinx | can see a re-install coming if this doesn't work |
| 02:09.56 | dpkg | pnux has neutral karma |
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| 02:10.41 | Pnux | dpkg: abrotman++ |
| 02:10.51 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 02:11.06 | Pnux | :] |
| 02:11.06 | abrotman | soon i'll have enough to trade in on a car |
| 02:11.12 | Pnux | lool |
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| 02:11.27 | beardy | !karma abrotman |
| 02:11.27 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 43 |
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| 02:11.41 | beardy | A wheel perhaps. |
| 02:12.17 | beardy | You can borrow mine. |
| 02:12.18 | beardy | !karma |
| 02:12.19 | dpkg | beardy has karma of 5 |
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| 02:12.23 | Pnux | people pay for stupid things on ebay |
| 02:12.42 | jpinx | build-dep is saying it's going to take 5 hours - I might as well start the next problem |
| 02:12.51 | beardy | jpinx: :) |
| 02:13.09 | beardy | jpinx: You only have that machine running lenny? |
| 02:13.26 | jpinx | yep |
| 02:13.35 | anoHito | how come the server becomes very slow like copy a 1mb file becomes dirt slow ? |
| 02:13.44 | jpinx | both my laptops are running lenny |
| 02:14.21 | beardy | jpinx: Those build-dep things, are sources only, put in the directory you build it, and quickly removed? |
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| 02:15.11 | beardy | jpinx: I could have a try (but hmm.. the only lenny box I have has terribly low RAM, only the processor that's nice.. |
| 02:15.44 | jpinx | beardy: no idea - this is my first foray into build-dep |
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| 02:19.57 | optraz | hi, everytime i run dhclient on the interface, resolv.conf get overridden, how do i append extra domain name to /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 02:20.42 | abrotman | !fixresolvconf |
| 02:20.42 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use resolvconf and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>. |
| 02:20.44 | abrotman | i think ? |
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| 02:21.32 | dondelelcaro | you can just use dns-nameservers stanza if you're using resolvconf |
| 02:22.29 | jpinx | beardy: here's the next crop of cam errors = Gyachi (Webcam Broadcaster) FATAL Video format not supported by grab device. error while querying mmap-buffers. an error occurred at 'ioctl VIDIOSPICT'. Could not set camera properties. |
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| 02:23.09 | deonild | Hi, I just installed Debian Stable with LXDE, are there any packages I need to install to get all LXDE effects/apps? |
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| 02:24.02 | jpinx | deonild: lxde is minimal and great - what do you want it to do? |
| 02:24.43 | adb | apt-cache search LXDE |
| 02:24.49 | deonild | jpinx, I want it to be minimal :) I'll D/L what I need, but wanna get a full LXDE before I fill in what I need... know of any packages not installed by default? |
| 02:24.51 | beardy | jpinx: Now the V4L (1) modules are unloaded? |
| 02:24.51 | optraz | k thanks |
| 02:24.56 | beardy | jpinx: (lsmod) |
| 02:25.36 | beardy | jpinx: Since it didn't matter to linphone, modprobe them again, that thing probably wants them. |
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| 02:25.45 | jpinx | v4l1 is loaded beardy |
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| 02:27.00 | martian67 | !debian-multimedia |
| 02:27.00 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 02:27.12 | martian67 | !dmm lenny |
| 02:27.12 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 02:27.41 | martian67 | does anyone know if debian multimedia has an irc channel? |
| 02:27.57 | martian67 | im getting dependancy errors |
| 02:27.57 | abrotman | i don't think they do |
| 02:28.23 | martian67 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 02:28.23 | martian67 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.23 | martian67 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.36 | martian67 | but the two packages are right inside the repo |
| 02:28.39 | martian67 | so i dont get it |
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| 02:29.26 | justin | martian67: try installing them |
| 02:29.31 | martian67 | i did, same error |
| 02:29.46 | justin | martian67: wrong, you would have gotten a different error |
| 02:29.54 | abrotman | martian67: apt-cache policy libmp3lame-dev |
| 02:29.57 | Sashi | i think i just died alittle |
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| 02:30.09 | Sashi | someoe asked me if Ubuntu has SSH |
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| 02:30.36 | leonlemouton | if you want |
| 02:31.07 | badcrc | Sashi: don't you need to upgrade to Linux Pro for that? |
| 02:31.20 | Sashi | lololol badcrc |
| 02:31.26 | badcrc | i'm having some problems setting up nfs: i get "an incorrect mount option was specified" |
| 02:31.29 | jpinx | wtf is linux pro? |
| 02:31.35 | abrotman | jpinx: he's joking |
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| 02:31.51 | adb | martian67: apt-get -f install ? |
| 02:31.55 | badcrc | yep, it's a joke. |
| 02:31.59 | martian67 | adb, tried |
| 02:32.01 | martian67 | same result |
| 02:32.15 | martian67 | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m4a87bdc7 |
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| 02:32.27 | epsilon | you mean Linux XP for SSH-client, and Linux Vista for SSH-Daemon Support |
| 02:32.28 | martian67 | so its clearly installed idk wtf :/ |
| 02:32.52 | martian67 | justin, nope, according to apt-cache they are both installed |
| 02:32.58 | abrotman | martian67: but libavcodec-dev wants a different version |
| 02:33.32 | martian67 | so their repo is broken? |
| 02:33.39 | martian67 | wonderful ._. |
| 02:34.07 | abrotman | martian67: apt-cache policy libavcodec-dev liblame-dev liblame0 libmp3lame-dev |
| 02:34.35 | jpinx | beardy: same bunch of errors after modprobe'ing v4l2 |
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| 02:37.37 | badcrc | http://pastebin.ca/1396982 has the contents of /etc/exports on the server and contents of /etc/fstab on the client |
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| 02:39.31 | martian67 | abrotman, sorry about delay |
| 02:39.32 | martian67 | http://pastebin.com/m474b5939 |
| 02:39.43 | sintack | !gnome-volume-manager |
| 02:39.44 | dpkg | well, gnome-volume-manager is a package for gnome users that will automount removable volumes. aptitude install gnome-volume-manager pmount ; adduser username plugdev ; you will have to log out and back in before it works |
| 02:39.48 | martian67 | all are from debian-multimedia |
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| 02:40.32 | david__ | I just insatlled Debian Stable with LXDE, installed compiz and have GUI config setting, but compiz won't take effect. How can I activate it |
| 02:40.56 | abrotman | martian67: i'd say wait and try again tomorrow .. seems like they've updated some packages |
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| 02:41.13 | leonlemouton | compiz -replace |
| 02:42.02 | jpinx | david__: why bloat lxde with compiz - kind of defeats the object? |
| 02:42.13 | sintack | !pmount |
| 02:42.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pmount is "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount). |
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| 02:42.31 | david__ | where can I put compiz -replace so it starts on boot-up? |
| 02:42.51 | jetx | why the fuck is update-grub editing my comments in the kopt section |
| 02:42.58 | jetx | deleting my comments |
| 02:43.07 | zamba | i have a problem.. i've a user directory shared (nfs) between quite a few number of users.. to prevent changes by one user being replicated to the others i've used unionfs and tmpfs on-top of this home folder.. problem is whenever i launch firefox the mounted directory fills up in no time.. |
| 02:43.14 | zamba | the size is 20M |
| 02:43.50 | leonlemouton | david :you can use fusion-icon |
| 02:43.56 | zamba | tmpfs uses ram, right? |
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| 02:47.25 | martian67 | abrotman, ok thanks |
| 02:47.55 | jetx | i delete the gd comments in menu.lst and update-grub puts them back. wtf. |
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| 02:48.04 | singularity_ | hello |
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| 02:51.07 | enouf | jetx: um .. those aren't comments |
| 02:51.12 | jetx | and apparently, if i don't use UUID=, >2.6.26-1 borks out |
| 02:51.21 | jetx | yes they're directions |
| 02:51.27 | jetx | ## blahblah |
| 02:51.27 | enouf | no they're not |
| 02:51.31 | jetx | not the # |
| 02:51.48 | enouf | ok .. i stand corrected .. still |
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| 02:52.01 | abrotman | puts enouf in the bozobox |
| 02:52.05 | enouf | why are you messing with comments in the AUOTCONFIG area? |
| 02:52.25 | enouf | smites abrotman with the Nyle |
| 02:52.32 | boghog | im so excited |
| 02:52.37 | abrotman | he won't even see that for weeks |
| 02:52.37 | jetx | still, it 'used' to stay deleted, and should stay deleted. the proper section # kopt=root=blahblabh is there |
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| 02:52.46 | boghog | got my first debian server mostly up and running |
| 02:52.51 | boghog | moving some sites over with rsync |
| 02:52.55 | abrotman | mostly? |
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| 02:53.14 | jetx | because i'm changing between root=UUID= and root=/dev/hdd3 to test the borkedness |
| 02:53.19 | boghog | yeah mostly becuase there's some more sites I need to move and I need to figure out some automated backup solution :D also with rsync i guess |
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| 02:53.53 | jetx | all i started to do was comment ## one and leave the other.. then i tested deleting the 'instructions' |
| 02:53.55 | abrotman | jetx: there's a uhm .. kopt line for that |
| 02:53.57 | enouf | jetx: strace which scripts update-grub calls and reads/processes - i can tell you /etc/kernel.img.conf is one of them |
| 02:54.01 | boghog | I've bene using this shitty shared webhosting provider that was still running linux 2.4 (omg?), php4, mysql4 |
| 02:54.11 | enouf | jetx: IIRC, it's just a sh script |
| 02:54.12 | jetx | abrotman: yes i know that would be what i'm talking about |
| 02:54.12 | boghog | and now I am renting a VPS and let them put debian on it |
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| 02:55.11 | enouf | jetx: and there's even a man kernel-img.conf man page |
| 02:55.44 | jetx | enouf: i've edited both /etc/kernel-img.conf and /etc/kernel-pkg.conf many times over the past years |
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| 02:56.10 | enouf | jetx: which release are you running and which and whose kernel? |
| 02:56.37 | jetx | sid, and the stupid current kernel maintainer's |
| 02:56.43 | jetx | :) |
| 02:57.03 | jetx | i'm just calling update-grub manually though |
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| 02:57.19 | jetx | and there was a thing about it a while ago... |
| 02:57.33 | jetx | anyway |
| 02:57.44 | enouf | jetx: you want to whine to #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net or their mailing list |
| 02:59.04 | jetx | what i'm asking, only, atm, is why update-grub is re-writing the comments... given, it's only doing it in the autoconf? section, but still |
| 02:59.20 | jetx | bitching about the kernel was earlier |
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| 02:59.22 | jetx | :) |
| 02:59.27 | jetx | oh |
| 02:59.50 | jetx | why is make-kpkg not generating an initrd even though i'm passing make-kpkg --initrd |
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| 03:00.05 | dondelelcaro | jetx: it generates the initrd at install time |
| 03:00.15 | dondelelcaro | jetx: that flag just tells the postinst script that it should be generated |
| 03:00.27 | jetx | dondelelcaro: but i dpkg -i the .deb and no initrd in /boot |
| 03:01.01 | jetx | and no initrd entry in menu.lst for the new kernel either |
| 03:01.29 | dondelelcaro | jetx: 1) it builds it by calling whatever initrd generator you have, assuming you haven't overridden the configuration |
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| 03:01.38 | jetx | update-initramfs |
| 03:02.01 | dondelelcaro | jetx: 2) the initrd will only be listed there if it's created and if you haven't disabled its inclusion in the menu.lst |
| 03:02.01 | jetx | no i check it still says do initrd yes in kernel-pkg or whichever it is |
| 03:02.12 | jetx | -img, -pkg |
| 03:02.33 | jetx | pkg iirc |
| 03:02.53 | dondelelcaro | then the postinst scripts should attempt to create the initrd when you install the deb. If they aren't, check the postinst script to make sure they're set up properly |
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| 03:03.37 | jetx | ok wtf ... it's empty now? i just looked at it a few hours ago |
| 03:03.38 | maxos | im using kinputdevice but the f***ing thing is giving the error message "failed to create the input device for "mouse"" |
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| 03:04.39 | jetx | ok no this is weirder... less /etc/kernel-pkg.conf is blank |
| 03:04.42 | maxos | where "mouse" is the name of my bluetooth mouse |
| 03:04.46 | jetx | nano works |
| 03:05.32 | jetx | do_initrd = yes |
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| 03:07.16 | jetx | and more /etc/kernel-pkg.conf works |
| 03:07.22 | jetx | wtf is wrong with less |
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| 03:09.40 | martian67 | does debian lenny not use dmix? |
| 03:09.50 | martian67 | why am i getting errors that i cant open the audio device |
| 03:09.53 | jetx | ok so who else in sid has a problem with less |
| 03:09.54 | martin_ | so, why does debian's vim not read fedora's vimrc ? |
| 03:10.10 | martin_ | in /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 03:10.20 | martin_ | it does read it, but it doesn't do anything with it |
| 03:14.02 | jetx | must be everybody |
| 03:14.04 | jetx | :) |
| 03:14.31 | Vbal | debian is for noobs |
| 03:14.39 | Vbal | ubuntu is the real h4x0r deal |
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| 03:15.08 | jetx | !ops Vbal troll |
| 03:15.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jetx complains about: Vbal troll |
| 03:15.24 | jetx | more like wannabe comedian though |
| 03:15.35 | jetx | don't quit your dayjob |
| 03:16.26 | Vbal | jetx, new guy in town wants to make a name in the community posing himself as a hero |
| 03:16.41 | Vbal | i've seen it before noob. you don't impress me |
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| 03:17.08 | jetx | how did you know i'm new? does it show in irc? |
| 03:17.19 | jetx | is there an irc_tag for noobs? |
| 03:17.25 | iateadonut1 | i thought someone here might know about linux OS's for handhelds, and where the best communities are. |
| 03:17.34 | Vbal | what a nuclear faggot |
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| 03:18.31 | jetx | you rock dude, obviously |
| 03:18.44 | Vbal | i owned you |
| 03:18.48 | Vbal | obviously.. |
| 03:18.53 | jetx | teach me how to be just like you! (so i can know what not to do) |
| 03:19.08 | iateadonut1 | jetx, you know you can just ignore people? |
| 03:19.15 | iateadonut1 | you just block them and then you can't see what they say anymore. |
| 03:19.22 | gravity | iateadonut1: Maemo is one of the more prominent ones |
| 03:19.26 | jetx | iateadonut1: killing time while compiling yet another kernel |
| 03:19.43 | sabooky | I have a small debian install question. during install there's a "software selection" screen with a few choices.. is there any way to see what packages those choices install? |
| 03:19.57 | sabooky | I'm mostly interested in what "standard system" installs |
| 03:20.09 | jetx | it's tasksel, sabooky |
| 03:20.26 | jetx | and you can .. uh dang i forgot how, but yes you can |
| 03:20.33 | jetx | !taskel |
| 03:20.37 | jetx | !tasksel |
| 03:20.38 | dpkg | from memory, tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (eg. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 03:20.46 | Vbal | jetx = abrotman's wannabe |
| 03:21.20 | sabooky | jetx: thanks |
| 03:21.59 | sabooky | jetx: hmm actually that lists everything EXCEPT "standard system" :\ |
| 03:22.22 | sabooky | nvm |
| 03:22.28 | sabooky | wiki entry explains it |
| 03:22.34 | beardy | sabooky: A lot of nice things you'll miss otherwise. less, .. other things.. I also wonder actually. |
| 03:22.49 | jetx | sabooky: i find it best for me to chose none of them, and install what i want after the installation |
| 03:22.51 | beardy | But other tasks are IMO not to be used. |
| 03:23.36 | jetx | standard pulls in some x stuff too iirc... i forget been quite a while since i let tasksel run |
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| 03:24.00 | iateadonut1 | gravity, thanks. |
| 03:24.01 | beardy | No, that I'm quite sure it does not. |
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| 03:25.05 | beardy | sabooky: Url to the wikipage for us lazy? |
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| 03:25.15 | sabooky | http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 03:25.22 | beardy | Thanks. :) |
| 03:25.32 | jetx | it's uh in the bot response up there |
| 03:25.49 | sabooky | jetx: too much work to look up there :p |
| 03:25.53 | jetx | wonders how to 'click a link' in irssi |
| 03:26.09 | sabooky | right clicks and lets urxvt do the rest |
| 03:26.26 | gravity | jetx: gnome-terminal actually will let you do so. It's a pretty cool feature. |
| 03:26.36 | beardy | Selects and pastes. |
| 03:26.40 | beardy | does. |
| 03:27.30 | jetx | no x atm, no nvidia because the kernel headers for 2.6.29 are borked afaict |
| 03:27.32 | sabooky | So.. how would you guys describe debian? Slow moving stable distro, good every day desktop distro, server distro, anything you want distro? |
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| 03:27.45 | jetx | yeah |
| 03:27.49 | gravity | heh |
| 03:28.01 | sabooky | I've been using linux for a while now.. and somehow never got around to trying debian. Recenlty I've been thinking about giving it a shot for 2 reasons. |
| 03:28.06 | gravity | sabooky: "A large-scale collaborative volunteer project to build a free operating system" |
| 03:28.07 | jetx | so i'm compiling my own copy of 2.6.29 to see if that fixes it |
| 03:28.17 | gravity | All the other stuff stems from that |
| 03:28.31 | jetx | i can only get 2.6.2 to boot if i use UUID it seems |
| 03:28.36 | jetx | .29* |
| 03:28.45 | sabooky | 1. archlinux is my main distro, but for work laptop i get kinda paraniod with it. 2. I would use fedora.. but.. I really hate rpms |
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| 03:29.26 | jetx | so i also found out that update-grub overwrites the comments in the autoconf? setion, and that less is borked in sid... make-kpkg --intird doesn't actually make an initrd... |
| 03:29.36 | jetx | fun fun fun |
| 03:29.37 | jetx | :) |
| 03:29.45 | sabooky | gravity: I always thought debian was heavy, never realized it had lightweight installation options. For some reason I thought it was gui based.. maybe ubuntu made me think that. |
| 03:29.56 | beardy | Must have been. |
| 03:29.59 | stdisease | I have compiled nv from nvidia against my own 2.6.29.1 and it works just fine |
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| 03:30.09 | maxos | im using kinputdevice but the f***ing thing is giving the error message "failed to create the input device for "mouse"" |
| 03:30.10 | gravity | sabooky: It's really quite flexible. It can't do everything, but it's got more options for less work than most distros as far as I'm aware. |
| 03:30.10 | sabooky | I guess my question is, does debian hide a lot of the system behind wrapper scripts? |
| 03:30.11 | beardy | Lighter than any of the old/big/popular distros. |
| 03:30.12 | maxos | where "mouse" is the name of my bluetooth mouse |
| 03:30.25 | stdisease | the headers are fine, the package is probably the one that isn\t |
| 03:30.37 | gravity | sabooky: Depends on what you mean by hiding the system... most of it is pretty standard linux stuff. |
| 03:30.38 | beardy | +other old/big/popular |
| 03:30.51 | jetx | if the headers were fine, it would work just like it always has imo |
| 03:31.02 | gravity | sabooky: It provides you with options to integrate things in to the system better, like make-kpkg and dh-make-perl, but they're not required |
| 03:31.17 | sabooky | gravity: What I mean is.. when a distro tries to hard to "dumb" the system down.. ultimately getting in my way. |
| 03:31.47 | gravity | sabooky: And as for heavy/light slow/fast, etc. you get to pick your poison. You can choose stable if you want unchanging-except-for-security, unstable if you want more cutting edge, or testing if you want something in between |
| 03:32.19 | gravity | sabooky: No, it doesn't. It does try and set up a lot for you by default because no one likes busy work, but it generally does a good job of getting out of your way when you want it to |
| 03:32.29 | stdisease | if it worked for me with no intervention whatsoever it means both the headers and the driver are perfectly fine, it's the packager that messed up somewhere |
| 03:33.35 | jetx | well, we'll see what happens |
| 03:33.51 | sabooky | gravity: Yea, that sounds great then. I'll play around with debian testing in a vm for a while, then move it to personal laptop, then ultimately to my work laptop. (my main home desktop will probably stay with arch for the forseable future) |
| 03:34.23 | gravity | sabooky: Cool. Good luck with it. If you have any questions about it, that's what the channel is here for. |
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| 03:36.30 | stdisease | sabooky, if you're gonna play with test I suggest you go all the way and install unstable |
| 03:36.39 | jetx | uh |
| 03:36.43 | jetx | no |
| 03:36.45 | stdisease | testing isn't all that different from stable |
| 03:36.45 | maxos | funking debian isnt detecting my graphics card |
| 03:37.10 | sabooky | stdisease: do you mean because Lenny just came out? or in general? |
| 03:37.13 | jetx | no, but it doesn't bork as much |
| 03:37.29 | stdisease | if you like living on the bleeding edge like I do, sid is the distro for you |
| 03:37.51 | sabooky | I'm gonna assume that debian unstable == archlinux stable in terms of how stable the overall system is. |
| 03:38.07 | jetx | i can't stand anything but sid, myself, but you shouldn't just jump into sid |
| 03:38.12 | sabooky | the whole motivation behind this move is having a work laptop that doesn't randomly blow up on me. |
| 03:38.21 | stdisease | I wouldn't know about archlinux, sabooky |
| 03:38.33 | sabooky | jetx: I might do that for my home machine down the road if I stick with debian. |
| 03:38.42 | sabooky | jetx: how often does sid break? |
| 03:38.56 | sabooky | and by break I mean something that takes > 30 min to fix |
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| 03:39.18 | stdisease | it hasn't broke on me yet because I don't allow it to break |
| 03:39.24 | jetx | not all that often but when it does it's a doozy.... atm it's borky, and you just missed a xorg borky |
| 03:39.30 | jetx | least i guess it's over |
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| 03:39.48 | maxos | is debian supposed to detect your graphics card like ubuntu does? |
| 03:39.55 | gravity | maxos: Yes |
| 03:40.00 | stdisease | maxos, yes |
| 03:40.02 | sabooky | stdisease: ? how do you not "allow" it to break? |
| 03:40.03 | gravity | s/debian/xorg/ |
| 03:40.08 | jetx | define the card |
| 03:40.20 | lepine | has anyone installed bugzilla3? |
| 03:40.26 | maxos | well let me restart my pc then |
| 03:40.33 | Umren | sabooky: using stable i presume :)) |
| 03:40.34 | beardy | maxos: Wait. |
| 03:40.37 | lepine | I've got a vhost going for it, i see the static files, but cgi-bin doesn't work. |
| 03:40.40 | sabooky | jetx: eh.. yea that might be a bit of a pain. (dealing with things like xorg breaking) |
| 03:40.43 | beardy | maxos: Why? |
| 03:40.44 | maxos | ok |
| 03:40.49 | lepine | i get a 404 ... any clues? |
| 03:41.02 | maxos | i thought that would help , beardy |
| 03:41.10 | jetx | !reboot |
| 03:41.10 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 03:41.11 | stdisease | how does it break usually, by packages being incompatible or excluding each other. The programs themselves being defective is a much lesser occurrence IMO and can be easily evaded. |
| 03:41.12 | beardy | maxos: You only need to restart X if you are trying to get it running. |
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| 03:41.22 | maxos | oh ok |
| 03:41.23 | stdisease | I just control what gets updated and what doesn't |
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| 03:41.27 | gravity | meh, xorg rarely ever really breaks. You might have to use vesa for a little while, but a serious breakage hasn't happened in a long time |
| 03:41.29 | maxos | brb |
| 03:41.45 | beardy | !restart x |
| 03:41.45 | dpkg | Don't reboot. Just restart X. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace if you are logged in. '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' if not, as root. (where ?dm can be xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, other display manager) |
| 03:41.47 | stdisease | gravity, I agree, that has been my experience as well |
| 03:41.50 | beardy | For the record. |
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| 03:42.54 | sabooky | ok, well I think I'm convinced for my personal desktop (if I ever make the switch) I'll go with sid, or a lenny/sid mix. |
| 03:42.56 | FredZ | I have setup proftp and setup users. It functions from insid ethe LAN but connections are refused from outside the LAN. Firwall is setup for port forwarding. Not sure what I am missing. |
| 03:43.39 | jetx | testing works fine imo for a stable-ish platform |
| 03:43.43 | jetx | ymmv |
| 03:43.53 | beardy | FredZ: That ftp other than "passive" and firewalls doesn't mix well. |
| 03:45.17 | FredZ | <beardy> Is there an alternat ftp server I can use that was as easy to setup as proftp that may overecome this problem? |
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| 03:45.30 | maxos | that didnt work |
| 03:46.28 | beardy | FredZ: No, the ftp server doesn't matter. |
| 03:47.08 | beardy | FredZ: http://homepage.mac.com/car1son/static_port_fwd_ftp_xtra.html maybe that explains it a little.. |
| 03:47.10 | FredZ | So it is a client issue. I will get the user to change clients. |
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| 03:47.22 | beardy | FredZ: No, it is a protocol issue. |
| 03:47.25 | jetx | maxos: maybe you should mention what gpu |
| 03:47.39 | FredZ | OK, wil check out your url. |
| 03:47.44 | beardy | FredZ: The ftp protocol and firewalls and forwarding of ports. |
| 03:48.16 | FredZ | I have just turned on pasive mode on the server, am about to test. |
| 03:48.32 | maxos | its like gforce or something |
| 03:48.44 | maxos | gforce 7800 or something |
| 03:49.02 | beardy | FredZ: Also, really consider using sftp instaed for anything other than read-only anonymous ftp. |
| 03:49.46 | beardy | !ftpmustdie |
| 03:49.46 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 03:50.03 | jetx | heh greycat's domain |
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| 03:50.16 | beardy | His rant. |
| 03:50.34 | FredZ | <beardy> OK, this is for clients to access and update their websites |
| 03:51.22 | jetx | maxos: lspci | grep VGA |
| 03:51.33 | beardy | Oh.. I wondered who you were jetx.. |
| 03:51.44 | jetx | meon irssi |
| 03:51.48 | jetx | me on |
| 03:51.51 | beardy | Ah. |
| 03:52.33 | maxos | nVidia Corporation G72M [Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300] |
| 03:52.42 | lordnazgul | I am setting up gkrellmd on some systems, so i can monitor them all from a central machine. On some of the remote systems, the network interfaces are not detected by gkrellmd and I cant monitor them. |
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| 03:55.45 | jetx | at a guess that isn't supported by nv out of the box |
| 03:55.53 | jetx | no idea atm |
| 03:56.22 | jetx | oh stdisease are you using the debian nvidia packages or what |
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| 03:56.36 | jetx | if so maxos could probably use your help |
| 03:56.39 | jetx | !nvidia |
| 03:56.39 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 03:56.59 | niko_ | I am creating an ext3 filesystem on a 7TB block device and it is taking days to write the inode tables |
| 03:57.00 | jetx | check that wiki page, maxos |
| 03:57.04 | niko_ | Is there a better way of doing this? |
| 03:57.26 | jetx | you can set the inode (size?) so it doesn't want as many by default |
| 03:57.41 | niko_ | How do I know what inode size I want? |
| 03:57.43 | jetx | that's why i went jfs |
| 03:57.51 | jetx | i dunno.. that's why i went jfs... :) |
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| 03:58.57 | jetx | cah-ching! kernel done, time to test crap... lessee if i have initrd |
| 03:59.36 | stdisease | jetx, oh, no I use the official driver, I compile my own custom kernels so.. |
| 03:59.57 | stdisease | I like to tweak and optimize |
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| 04:00.19 | jetx | it did not generate an initrd |
| 04:00.26 | jetx | i did pass --initrd |
| 04:00.34 | jetx | i did dpkg -i the .deb |
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| 04:01.33 | jetx | brbbl.. time to test stuff |
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| 04:03.26 | rafiks | how does one setup dual boot windows with grub 2 |
| 04:03.32 | rafiks | ? |
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| 04:04.12 | maxos | why does everything have to be a pain in the ass with debian? |
| 04:04.50 | KineticBug | Sounds more like you're doing it wrong |
| 04:05.31 | rafiks | not much of a documentation ,, |
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| 04:06.56 | stdisease | rafiks, install os-prober and then run update-grub2 |
| 04:08.18 | stdisease | maxos, I tried many Linux and non-Linux distros and Debian falls into the least painful believe me |
| 04:08.18 | stdisease | it's pretty convenient if *you know what you are doing* :P |
| 04:08.35 | maxos | what about ubuntu, have you tried ubuntu? |
| 04:08.56 | rerushg | maxos: Debian is a conspiracy we've created for the sole purpose of making your life miserable. How are we doing? |
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| 04:09.13 | stdisease | maxos, what about ubuntu? |
| 04:09.16 | rafiks | stdisease: thanks for the info ..how come this isn't part of the grub package? |
| 04:09.37 | maxos | lol |
| 04:09.39 | stdisease | rafiks, probably because the authors are different |
| 04:09.58 | maxos | have you tried it? |
| 04:10.16 | stdisease | maxos, nope actually it's one of the few I haven't tried |
| 04:10.31 | maxos | give it a try |
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| 04:11.26 | maxos | i decided to try debian for the only reason that it wasnt run by a corporation |
| 04:11.30 | stdisease | maxos, once I saw all the hype and fanboysm it instantly fell out of favor with me, and I wasn't even a debian user back then |
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| 04:11.52 | stdisease | besides it's much too centralized for me |
| 04:12.22 | maxos | fanboysm? centralized? |
| 04:12.28 | rerushg | I've tried almost all of them. Deb takes a little more effort but it's worth it. |
| 04:12.40 | maxos | why is it worth it? |
| 04:13.39 | stdisease | I used mandriva, and that is one of the easier distros to work with and it has its strengths, when I used debian I appreciated the convenience of its utilities |
| 04:13.50 | rerushg | Maxos: very smooth running, fairly low overhead, not burdened with a lot of stuff you don't need. |
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| 04:14.23 | maxos | sounds a lot like ubuntu |
| 04:14.35 | air_ | yay, i feel myself alot like fglrx installing |
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| 04:14.40 | stdisease | Distros are so similar these days, the stuff there is in common far outweighs the differences, so it's matter to me much. I use several distros |
| 04:15.24 | stdisease | it doesn't matter* |
| 04:15.27 | jetscreamer | gee... i compile my own kernel, THEN generate my own initrd ... and everything works. go figure. |
| 04:15.44 | rerushg | ubuntu is ok. I was a little annoyed with Kubuntu pushing KDE4 out way too early. PITA |
| 04:15.58 | air_ | what makes me afraid is that apt-get is downloading fglrx-glx-ia32 |
| 04:16.04 | air_ | is it normal for amd64? |
| 04:16.46 | rerushg | It seems to me that ubuntu focuses too much on getting code on the street and not enough on getting good code on the street.... |
| 04:16.50 | stdisease | I even heard ubuntu doesn't let you 'su' outta the box! lol |
| 04:17.18 | air_ | does it have sudo? |
| 04:17.30 | air_ | it obviously should |
| 04:17.47 | air_ | and as good as i remember su is not an option in ubuntu at all |
| 04:18.03 | air_ | only sudo |
| 04:18.13 | jetscreamer | sudo su |
| 04:18.22 | air_ | lol |
| 04:18.29 | stdisease | Department of Redundancy Department |
| 04:18.47 | rerushg | yup...DRD |
| 04:19.55 | stdisease | everytime there's a major ubuntu release I think maybe I'll try it this time, but never really bother for some reason |
| 04:20.01 | jetscreamer | i'll def have to set up one of the dual core boxes to compile for me |
| 04:20.10 | jetscreamer | if this is going to be a habit |
| 04:20.15 | stdisease | but I think I *heard enough* by now I don't need to try it lol |
| 04:20.32 | air_ | seems like /me installed fglrx... |
| 04:20.39 | air_ | twas too fast i don't believe |
| 04:20.43 | jetscreamer | ubuntu does have one thing going for it, it supports newer hw out of the box |
| 04:21.07 | jetscreamer | (nvidia) |
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| 04:21.27 | stdisease | jetscreamer, includes beta drivers? |
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| 04:21.42 | rerushg | jet: I had no problem with Nvidia here |
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| 04:21.49 | jetscreamer | no idea, i don't actually use ubuntu |
| 04:22.00 | stdisease | I suppose that makes sense, the average nontech user wouldnt care if beta or not |
| 04:22.07 | jetscreamer | i've installed it a couple times |
| 04:22.34 | stdisease | As of now, even sid still has wine stable which is pretty old now |
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| 04:23.06 | jetscreamer | the wine does all i need it to though |
| 04:23.16 | jetscreamer | 3 apps |
| 04:23.39 | rerushg | Ubuntu has a "proprietary driver tool" that auto installs if you let it. It's not bad at all. |
| 04:23.46 | air_ | yaaaay, i didn't even have to restart x for screen mode change |
| 04:23.54 | stdisease | jetscreamer, it's come a long way since last year and it's shame all of the improvements still arent included |
| 04:25.20 | stdisease | things like that tempt me to remove the package and compile from source |
| 04:25.27 | jetscreamer | ok time to test with the quake based systemstresstest.. yeah that's it, a test |
| 04:25.49 | jetscreamer | it's not like i play the game everyday... |
| 04:26.12 | jetscreamer | i'm too old to play games... |
| 04:27.07 | mfc_coder | You are only too old when you start to think you are |
| 04:27.45 | air_ | mfc_coder, in fact you can get old playing games |
| 04:27.52 | boghog | i used to play quake |
| 04:28.01 | boghog | now my hand starts to hurt after 5 minutes of it |
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| 04:28.08 | air_ | i mean you can find out that once you don't want to play anymore |
| 04:28.30 | boghog | i can let it rest for a month and itll feel fine, but as soon as i play some FPS game the pain comes back in 5 minutes :/ |
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| 04:29.02 | air_ | baghog, relax hands |
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| 04:30.25 | stdisease | boghog, must be the high frames per sec |
| 04:30.35 | stdisease | it gives you headeaches if you dont limit it |
| 04:30.40 | air_ | noo |
| 04:30.49 | air_ | high fps doesn't make you nervous |
| 04:31.13 | boghog | yeah I tense up a lot when I play FPS games |
| 04:31.24 | air_ | ^ that's the real problem |
| 04:31.24 | stdisease | duke nukem on dosbox gives me a terrible headache |
| 04:31.28 | boghog | I think that is indeed the main issue, hampers bloodflow etc, hands go cold, they start hurting |
| 04:31.31 | stdisease | upset stomach... wonderful |
| 04:31.36 | mfc_coder | Left 4 Dead is tense :) |
| 04:31.40 | boghog | but it's *really* hard for me to not tense up :D |
| 04:31.42 | air_ | doom3 is tense |
| 04:31.48 | stdisease | i have no problem with l4d |
| 04:31.49 | boghog | and oh my god yes, I have been playing some L4D recently |
| 04:32.00 | boghog | such an awesome game, but I can only play a little at a time |
| 04:32.03 | stdisease | awesome game, meant to be played online, single player sucks |
| 04:32.13 | boghog | yeah I play it with some friends |
| 04:32.21 | stdisease | I play HOURS |
| 04:32.32 | air_ | online games are evil |
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| 04:32.52 | stdisease | armyops.. anybody? That can get tense believe me... |
| 04:33.37 | stdisease | it's the suspense and the adrenaline that gets you, and the frustration |
| 04:33.46 | air_ | counter strike |
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| 04:34.24 | air_ | but you will become a real psycho playing quake 3 |
| 04:34.37 | Xitium | is there a way to download etch from the debian site? |
| 04:34.42 | air_ | if you play with people who really know how to play it |
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| 04:35.47 | stdisease | I finished q4 a while ago on SP.. nice experience overall |
| 04:35.55 | air_ | what's sp? |
| 04:35.59 | kc8pxy | true or false, a carefully managed debian system can forgo a swap partition. |
| 04:35.59 | stdisease | single player |
| 04:36.26 | stdisease | kc8pxy, I've done it, on my USB stick |
| 04:36.32 | stdisease | Although I had enough RAM to begin with |
| 04:36.40 | air_ | i almost finished q4 and changed compy |
| 04:36.51 | air_ | so i didn't want to play it from the beginning |
| 04:36.53 | stdisease | but it still ran lightweight and it didn't need any swap |
| 04:37.04 | stdisease | air_, awww |
| 04:37.15 | air_ | i later watched walkthrough |
| 04:37.28 | air_ | from speedruns archive |
| 04:37.50 | stdisease | air_, I didn't even discover those little health console until like halfway the game |
| 04:38.04 | air_ | stdisease, you also should watch speedruns |
| 04:38.21 | air_ | sometimes it's much better than playing a game yourself |
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| 04:38.31 | stdisease | yeah hehe |
| 04:38.34 | air_ | you find out so much interesting things you never knew |
| 04:39.03 | air_ | like quake 1 finished in 9 or 11 minutes |
| 04:39.25 | stdisease | no cheats or anything? |
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| 04:39.29 | air_ | nope |
| 04:39.33 | stdisease | nice |
| 04:39.48 | air_ | some levels are below 10 secs |
| 04:40.08 | air_ | half life 1 in 30 minutes |
| 04:40.22 | Xitium | is there a way to download etch from the debian site? |
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| 04:40.37 | stdisease | air_, HL1 gave me a headache as well, I couldn't finish it |
| 04:41.11 | stdisease | if not the high FPS then maybe the FOV of the game wasn't right |
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| 04:41.51 | air_ | Xitium, i see only 501 accessible from there |
| 04:42.20 | stdisease | Mirrors should have isos for etch |
| 04:42.30 | air_ | not all mirrors at all |
| 04:43.09 | air_ | i don't see any problem with high fps in fps games |
| 04:43.26 | air_ | in fact it's lower fps make play worse |
| 04:43.38 | air_ | even if it's 100-->70 fps drop |
| 04:43.56 | Sashi | uhh |
| 04:44.07 | Sashi | from 70 to 100FPS is not that detectable |
| 04:44.13 | air_ | oh it is |
| 04:44.16 | Sashi | from 30 - 60 yea |
| 04:44.34 | air_ | in counter strike at 100fps i just gave all headshots with 5:1 k/d |
| 04:44.51 | air_ | and with 70fps it's about 2:1-3:1 |
| 04:44.55 | jetscreamer | Xitium: yeah ftp or whatever |
| 04:45.00 | Sashi | High FPS != make you better in games |
| 04:45.04 | jetscreamer | full image, or net install |
| 04:45.14 | air_ | Sashi, not for me |
| 04:45.27 | Sashi | you're just lying to yourself |
| 04:45.37 | Sashi | so w/e |
| 04:45.45 | air_ | i remember quite allright when i had radeon 9800pro |
| 04:45.48 | Sashi | you can lie to me but all in all you're lying to yourself |
| 04:45.53 | air_ | i barely could play cs |
| 04:46.09 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/CD/ <--full images ... http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst <--net install |
| 04:46.10 | air_ | even previous mx440 nvidia was better |
| 04:46.15 | stdisease | maybe if the FPS of the game doesn't sync with the monitor's FPS? |
| 04:46.31 | air_ | stdisease, i had sync on |
| 04:46.39 | air_ | Sashi, did you play fps enough? |
| 04:46.48 | air_ | was you really good at some game? |
| 04:46.48 | Sashi | I play enough to know |
| 04:47.00 | Sashi | proper english please |
| 04:47.22 | air_ | you could just correct, english is not my native |
| 04:47.40 | Sashi | but yes I play(ed) enough FPS to know that the higher the FPS doesnt make you better |
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| 04:47.53 | stdisease | Sashi, air_ shows a .ru address so he's excused :P |
| 04:47.54 | Sashi | unless you were talking in the low 20s - 30s |
| 04:47.57 | air_ | and i played enough to know that in single player even 30fps is enough |
| 04:47.59 | jetscreamer | no, but good fps is a mush |
| 04:48.02 | jetscreamer | must |
| 04:48.08 | air_ | and online 100 is almost the must |
| 04:48.24 | Sashi | 30 is playable |
| 04:48.29 | air_ | for single player |
| 04:48.32 | stdisease | well if it isn't the FPS that gives people headaches then what is? Brightness, contrast, color profile?? |
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| 04:48.37 | jetscreamer | doesn't make you good, but it does keep you from suckikng because your fps is too low |
| 04:48.42 | air_ | stdisease, tense |
| 04:48.46 | jetscreamer | it's the refresh rate |
| 04:48.50 | stdisease | air_, I'm usually not tense |
| 04:49.03 | air_ | then play deathmatch with plenty of people |
| 04:49.04 | Sashi | the max is 60hz for most LCD monitors |
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| 04:49.09 | air_ | it's crt here |
| 04:49.14 | jetscreamer | 70+ is a must imo for crt's |
| 04:49.15 | Sashi | so thats 120hz |
| 04:49.28 | air_ | and i always set it to 100h |
| 04:49.29 | air_ | z |
| 04:49.45 | air_ | i don't see difference between 100 and 120 |
| 04:49.52 | Sashi | theres no difference |
| 04:50.01 | stdisease | Hz is the correct designation btw |
| 04:50.04 | Sashi | from 30 - 60 human eye prespective |
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| 04:50.20 | air_ | Sashi, i'm telling you what i experienced |
| 04:50.24 | Sashi | the max is what? 29.97? FPS |
| 04:50.25 | air_ | you can't deny that |
| 04:50.43 | air_ | Sashi, human eye interpolates |
| 04:50.52 | stdisease | One's experience is what counts at the end. |
| 04:50.59 | air_ | so the smoother the change the better you get pic |
| 04:51.37 | air_ | and human eye is considered to distinguish between 24hz |
| 04:51.43 | stdisease | hmm it interpolates? so it doesn't take snapshots like a computer? |
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| 04:51.55 | Sashi | not Hz |
| 04:51.56 | air_ | but you will even mention 1 frame out of 100fps |
| 04:51.57 | Sashi | FPS |
| 04:52.16 | air_ | just make a simple proggy that blinks once |
| 04:52.33 | Sashi | from 1FPS to 30FPS you can easily tell a difference |
| 04:52.38 | Sashi | if thats what you're saying |
| 04:52.42 | air_ | like: black background and once a second you blink with 1 frame with a letter on it |
| 04:52.45 | air_ | and you see it |
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| 04:53.14 | air_ | no, Sashi i'm telling that even 1 frame out of 100 per second is distinguishable |
| 04:53.22 | air_ | you won't recognize what's in there though |
| 04:53.35 | air_ | it goes to your subconscious |
| 04:53.36 | Sashi | 100FPS you can't see every single frame |
| 04:53.45 | air_ | of course not |
| 04:53.45 | richards_ | hey, i've just set up a new lenny system |
| 04:53.54 | richards_ | when it got to the installing grub stage, grub failed to install |
| 04:53.57 | richards_ | so i tried to install lilo |
| 04:53.59 | richards_ | that failed as well |
| 04:54.00 | air_ | but your subconsiousness is trained to help you with that, Sashi |
| 04:54.07 | stdisease | richards_, what output do you get? |
| 04:54.08 | Sashi | uhh no |
| 04:54.21 | air_ | so you can get quite lightning reflexes with that |
| 04:54.29 | richards_ | i don't remember, i've since rebooted the server and it started to boot lilo but couldn't mount the root file system |
| 04:54.42 | richards_ | so i've booted up a rescue install |
| 04:54.53 | stdisease | richards_, that usually means the initrd wasn't loaded |
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| 04:55.40 | richards_ | hmm k |
| 04:55.44 | stdisease | or that the fs of your root isn't builtin the kernel, but debian includes ext2/ext3 right? |
| 04:55.49 | richards_ | it won't mount my /boot either |
| 04:55.58 | richards_ | it was set to ext2 in the installer |
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| 04:57.06 | richards_ | my root is ext3 |
| 04:57.17 | richards_ | on an lvm |
| 04:58.25 | stdisease | Hmm debian's kernel includes ext2/3 as modules not built-in, so if your boot loader wasn't installed properly it means the initrd may not have been loaded and your root fs naturally can't be mounted |
| 04:58.52 | richards_ | well i'm in a rescue install now |
| 04:58.58 | richards_ | and its not mounting /boot |
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| 04:59.08 | stdisease | richards_, what output do you get? |
| 04:59.10 | richards_ | the error is "sda1: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional tures (13300000) |
| 04:59.16 | richards_ | which is in dmesg |
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| 04:59.20 | stdisease | hmm |
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| 05:00.03 | stdisease | unsupported optional features you mean? |
| 05:00.28 | richards_ | hmm yes, probbly |
| 05:00.32 | richards_ | it appears the screen is cut off |
| 05:00.38 | kc8pxy | stdisease: 512mb CF, 64mb ram. extreme care, and it's doable? |
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| 05:01.33 | stdisease | kc8pxy, depends if you want X or not |
| 05:02.28 | ZeZu | its doable w/ X too, idk about w/ debian though |
| 05:02.30 | air_ | seems like installing ati's proprietary drivers was much more fun than nvidia's |
| 05:02.59 | ZeZu | I've seen linux+X @ only 28mb before |
| 05:03.00 | stdisease | on a second though it's doable with X |
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| 05:03.04 | air_ | 3 lines and you're all set |
| 05:03.05 | kc8pxy | stdisease: nope.. pure firewall, |
| 05:03.20 | stdisease | ZeZu, 24MB I had one box once lol |
| 05:03.35 | stdisease | kc8pxy, oh without a doubt then |
| 05:03.44 | ZeZu | yea just have to build w/ -0s and strip everything |
| 05:04.02 | ZeZu | and keep it pretty minimal, no man pages and no huge libraries that aren't needed |
| 05:04.07 | kc8pxy | stdisease: i I'm pushing the storage on the cf ATM, I'm wondering if i can forgo swap. |
| 05:04.42 | stdisease | ZeZu, yeah I had to build manually and cut down stuff like man & info & headers & lib*.a's |
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| 05:04.59 | ZeZu | swap isn't needed but you can get bit if it runs out of memory |
| 05:05.18 | kc8pxy | i have openvpn, ssh, shorewall-perl, and dnsmasq. just under 500mb. :) |
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| 05:05.43 | ZeZu | checkout openwrt if you want something tiny |
| 05:05.52 | ZeZu | its featured, stable, package manage and minute |
| 05:06.05 | stdisease | I had a tty-only box with recent kernel and glibc, sshd in under 50MB |
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| 05:06.24 | DavidProck1981 | i want to UN-DO the affect of this command "xport FRAMEBUFFER=/dev/fb0" what do i need to do? |
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| 05:07.34 | DavidProck1981 | hello? |
| 05:07.53 | stdisease | kc8pxy, I think if you debootstrap instead of installing from .iso's and then add only the packages you need, you can squeeze it all in under 128MB |
| 05:08.33 | stdisease | CF memory isn't good for swap so you probably don't want to use it as such |
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| 05:08.57 | stdisease | DavidProck1981, no idea really |
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| 05:09.08 | DavidProck1981 | where the environment variable's kept |
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| 05:09.19 | DavidProck1981 | where are* |
| 05:10.22 | DavidProck1981 | ok how can i search through all non binary files looking ofr some texy |
| 05:10.34 | DavidProck1981 | text* |
| 05:10.50 | stdisease | DavidProck1981, grep TextYourLookingFor <files> |
| 05:11.21 | stdisease | TextYourLookingFor can be a regex, files can have wildcards and such |
| 05:11.23 | air_ | find -name "allnonbinaryfiles" | xargs grep "text*" |
| 05:11.54 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
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| 05:13.31 | DavidProck1981 | didnt work |
| 05:13.39 | DavidProck1981 | cd / |
| 05:13.49 | DavidProck1981 | find -name "allnonbinaryfiles" | xargs grep "dev/fb0*" |
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| 05:14.19 | air_ | hey... there's no such thing as allnonbinaryfiles wildcard |
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| 05:14.34 | DavidProck1981 | so what ot put |
| 05:14.45 | air_ | just make 'em *.conf or smth |
| 05:15.08 | stdisease | or *.log |
| 05:15.17 | DavidProck1981 | ooh |
| 05:16.25 | DavidProck1981 | thanks! |
| 05:17.07 | stdisease | DavidProck1981, actually "/dev/fb0*" doesn't mean to grep what you think it is, but it worked in this cauz you were lucky |
| 05:17.35 | stdisease | the * applies only to 0 |
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| 05:19.24 | air_ | you definitely don't await smth like /dev/fb000000 in there |
| 05:19.58 | air_ | but at least it finds /dev/fb |
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| 05:22.34 | jetscreamer | waves@simon |
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| 05:25.29 | DavidProck1981 | gotta restart or ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 05:25.37 | air_ | nooo |
| 05:25.47 | DavidProck1981 | what |
| 05:26.01 | air_ | i just had to exclaim smth |
| 05:26.21 | DavidProck1981 | i founf the config for fbdev |
| 05:26.33 | DavidProck1981 | any way later and thanks |
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| 05:28.04 | rabies | hey, im trying to mount a linux nfs share on windows using mount.exe, I log in using my UID, but it still wont let me access the files even though i can still mount it |
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| 05:28.09 | rabies | anyone know how to manually set the UID in the windows mount.exe nfs client? |
| 05:28.47 | jetscreamer | ##windows maybe |
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| 05:29.41 | rabies | jetscreamer: trying that, no such luck |
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| 05:30.34 | stdisease | omg there's a cygwin NFS client?? |
| 05:30.41 | stdisease | since when |
| 05:30.43 | rabies | stdisease: not cygwin, it comes with windows |
| 05:31.16 | stdisease | rabies, oh you mean the Unix package from Microsoft? |
| 05:31.26 | rabies | stdisease: no, i mean the nfs client from microsoft |
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| 05:31.37 | rabies | though right now i can honestly say its a piece of junk |
| 05:31.44 | stdisease | rabies, yeas I mean the same thing |
| 05:31.58 | stdisease | better than nothing I guess |
| 05:31.59 | rabies | stdisease: they are different |
| 05:32.11 | stdisease | the nfs client from microsoft comes with the unix package |
| 05:32.19 | stdisease | comes with/is part of |
| 05:32.20 | rabies | stdisease: it does not |
| 05:32.31 | rabies | stdisease: it is a seperate install |
| 05:32.33 | stdisease | it doesn? |
| 05:32.54 | rabies | stdisease: not the version im using |
| 05:32.54 | stdisease | I don't know where I go the impression then |
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| 05:33.35 | rabies | stdisease: maybe theres a version that does come with it...and maybe it'll actually work |
| 05:34.22 | rabies | stdisease: ill see if i can find it, thx |
| 05:34.47 | stdisease | yw, good luck |
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| 05:37.50 | simonrvn | rabies: there is such a thing. got v3 ? |
| 05:38.03 | rabies | simonrvn: downloading 3.5 |
| 05:38.17 | stdisease | 3.5 is the latest afaik |
| 05:38.44 | stdisease | it's a real shame, NFS doesn't work well with Windows and SMB/CIFS doesn't cope well with Linux :/ |
| 05:38.52 | rabies | samba works fine |
| 05:38.53 | simonrvn | yeh, it has it. never had enough motivation to get it to work.... |
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| 05:38.58 | rabies | just the file permissions are screwy |
| 05:39.09 | rabies | make that non-existant |
| 05:39.11 | xiq | hello, what are vesa and vga drivers? |
| 05:39.19 | simonrvn | cifs/smbfs are crap, and it's not samba's fault afaict. |
| 05:39.21 | stdisease | rabies, been giving me troubles, and the configuration is a bit obscure IMHO |
| 05:39.35 | rabies | stdisease: fun |
| 05:39.58 | simonrvn | xiq: still on this eh? they're very simple 2d only drivers, mostly used as fail-safes or catch-all drivers. |
| 05:40.29 | rabies | stdisease: have you tried looking at the smb.conf man page? |
| 05:40.33 | xiq | simonrvn: well i was sleeping :) hmm i have a sm3 dx9 graphic card |
| 05:40.45 | stdisease | rabies, sure I have |
| 05:40.50 | xiq | i downloaded nvidia's weird driver and installed it |
| 05:41.04 | stdisease | rabies, smb.conf itself is nicely documented, yet still.. lol |
| 05:41.06 | rabies | oy...it doesnt support 64bit |
| 05:41.14 | rabies | i cant use WSU, damn it |
| 05:41.17 | simonrvn | xiq: wtf is that? can you just do lspci | grep -i vga instead? |
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| 05:41.25 | xiq | ok wait |
| 05:41.43 | simonrvn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 05:41.44 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 05:41.46 | xiq | lscpi not found -.- |
| 05:41.55 | stdisease | rabies, downloaded it already? Nice you must have a fat line to the netz |
| 05:42.03 | simonrvn | you typed it correctly? |
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| 05:42.11 | rabies | stdisease: i guess |
| 05:42.16 | rabies | stdisease: 10mbps |
| 05:42.16 | xiq | lscpi |
| 05:42.29 | simonrvn | ok, so install it then |
| 05:42.45 | xiq | oh, and nautlius couldnt start because bonobobom didnt answer |
| 05:42.59 | stdisease | a movie in 10 minutes.. nice |
| 05:43.10 | zoredache | is there anything like iptables-save, that will store the state of the route tables |
| 05:43.30 | simonrvn | xiq: see BTS about that |
| 05:43.31 | elenril | how can i make locally built packages have the same priority as those from Debian repos? |
| 05:43.40 | simonrvn | zoredache: yes. iptables-save |
| 05:43.47 | xiq | there is no lscpi to install oO |
| 05:43.48 | stdisease | hehe |
| 05:43.55 | stdisease | xiq, it's in pciutils |
| 05:43.55 | xiq | I or l or 1 ? |
| 05:44.35 | zoredache | simonrvn: it saves the routes? |
| 05:45.01 | simonrvn | zoredache: no. it's for iptables. oh, you asked for routes. sorry, misread. |
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| 05:45.22 | simonrvn | not really. you could use quagga for that. |
| 05:45.37 | xiq | lscpi -i vga works |
| 05:46.08 | simonrvn | that's not what i asked for |
| 05:46.30 | stdisease | lspci | grep -i vga |
| 05:46.37 | simonrvn | lspci | grep -i vga |
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| 05:47.07 | xiq | if a folder has a makefile in it, then its source, right? |
| 05:47.19 | stdisease | xiq, not necessarily but generally |
| 05:47.20 | simonrvn | not necessarily |
| 05:47.30 | simonrvn | what s/he said |
| 05:47.31 | xiq | nvm it has c codefiles too ii think oO |
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| 05:47.52 | marcrosoft | anyone know how to set default nice priority on specific user? |
| 05:48.51 | simonrvn | default? why? /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 05:49.02 | zoredache | simonrvn: do you know if there is a good irc to ask about questions related to complext routing |
| 05:49.26 | simonrvn | you can ask #iptables or #iproute, here |
| 05:49.37 | xiq | damn... in OpenSolaris i just had to activate the driver T_T |
| 05:50.21 | xiq | simonrvn: could you compile a folder for me and send it back? oO |
| 05:50.29 | rabies | stdisease: hah, works |
| 05:50.37 | stdisease | OpenSolaris is OpenSolaris |
| 05:50.52 | stdisease | rabies, nice |
| 05:50.52 | xiq | i know |
| 05:50.52 | rabies | stdisease: http://blogs.msdn.com/sfu/archive/2009/03/27/can-i-set-up-user-name-mapping-in-windows-vista.aspx |
| 05:50.52 | simonrvn | i tried that yesterday... x locked up on me from the live cd boot :(. not unexpected with this video card though.... |
| 05:50.52 | xiq | but... xubuntu is debian, and works too |
| 05:50.52 | stdisease | so do I |
| 05:50.58 | simonrvn | xubuntu is not debian |
| 05:51.04 | xiq | ? |
| 05:51.14 | simonrvn | xubuntu is not debian |
| 05:51.17 | xiq | but ubuntu and its little mutated childs are debian based |
| 05:51.29 | xiq | you sound like you want to forget something xD |
| 05:51.33 | simonrvn | !debian based |
| 05:51.33 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 05:51.37 | stdisease | xubuntu is debian + utils for automation, like that distro what's the name... err.. knoppix |
| 05:51.44 | zoredache | thanks |
| 05:52.03 | simonrvn | we get that a lot.... |
| 05:52.05 | xiq | hmm... iceweasel :) |
| 05:52.07 | stdisease | Forget something lol |
| 05:52.24 | xiq | if you have firefox -> not debian >=O |
| 05:52.35 | xiq | because of the rules? |
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| 05:52.45 | simonrvn | xiq: forget what? i started on debian, way before ubuntu even existed. |
| 05:52.51 | stdisease | it's useless to have firefox renamed to iceweasel IMO, it just makes website compatibility worse |
| 05:53.09 | xiq | its still called firefox in command |
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| 05:53.28 | xiq | simonrvn: thats why i said based-on ;D |
| 05:53.42 | stdisease | yep, but it send its name as Iceweasel to websites, and things like Yahoo don't recognize it and bitch and moan or worse, refuse to work |
| 05:54.01 | simonrvn | that's their fault |
| 05:54.02 | xiq | oh god =( but i like the iceweasel :) |
| 05:54.40 | xiq | now... i need drivers, i will search |
| 05:54.41 | stdisease | I have no problem with the name or the little furry thing |
| 05:54.51 | marcrosoft | if anyone is wondering it looks like it can be set in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 05:54.56 | simonrvn | that's their fault that they write their JS based on an user-agent string like that. they should check for /gecko/i or /khtml/i or such... |
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| 05:55.15 | simonrvn | marcrosoft: yes i know. i told you that 5 min ago. |
| 05:55.22 | stdisease | simonrvn, and the innocent bystander gets screwed |
| 05:55.27 | marcrosoft | simonrvn: oh, you did? i must have missed it |
| 05:55.30 | xiq | "If your system breaks after using the Debian way, that would be a bug which can be reported in the BTS." thats in "advantages"... |
| 05:55.32 | stdisease | the average user just wants things to work |
| 05:56.01 | xiq | agree |
| 05:56.16 | simonrvn | and this isn't a bitch-and-moan-about-debian channel |
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| 05:56.23 | stdisease | at least if user agent was left as is |
| 05:56.27 | simonrvn | !ot |
| 05:56.27 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 05:57.03 | stdisease | simonrvn, we were discussing alot of things that this channel weren't about, bitch and moan about debian is just one of them |
| 05:57.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, not?! |
| 05:57.43 | simonrvn | #debian-offtopic --> that way |
| 05:57.46 | stdisease | I didn't hear you say a word when we talked about Windows and NFS |
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| 05:57.52 | xiq | simonrvn: what could happen if i run "# apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common" ? |
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| 05:58.02 | xiq | without the # |
| 05:58.09 | simonrvn | i wasn't here. duh. |
| 05:58.12 | zoredache | it would install those packages |
| 05:58.53 | stdisease | <simonrvn> cifs/smbfs are crap, and it's not samba's fault afaict. |
| 05:59.11 | xiq | has... no canditates.... NO CANDIDATES AHHHHHH GOD DAMNIT!!!!.... Does someone have an /unstable sources.list for lenny? |
| 05:59.13 | stdisease | I rest my case |
| 05:59.16 | simonrvn | yes, and i came in after the discussion was almost over. |
| 05:59.43 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: hi |
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| 06:00.14 | stdisease | let's just put it all behind us now |
| 06:00.19 | marcrosoft | simonrvn: is a simple logout enough to notice changes in /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 06:00.43 | simonrvn | marcrosoft: sometimes not even that |
| 06:01.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdyti marcrosoft |
| 06:01.14 | dpkg | Why don't you just try it, marcrosoft? |
| 06:01.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 06:01.27 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: not?! |
| 06:01.32 | marcrosoft | CutMeOwnThroat: i did try it :) and it didnt work |
| 06:01.35 | marcrosoft | that is why I am wondering |
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| 06:01.51 | stdisease | limits.conf is used by pam so maybe a logout will suffice |
| 06:02.00 | marcrosoft | i have a feeling nice and priority are not the same thing |
| 06:02.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | marcrosoft, so why didn't you say that... |
| 06:02.29 | marcrosoft | basically I want a default nice value of x for user y |
| 06:02.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | what limit(s) did you set |
| 06:02.42 | xiq | hmm it says i should add "main contrib non-free" to the list, but how? i mean, like after which link |
| 06:02.55 | marcrosoft | username hard priority 15 |
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| 06:03.25 | simonrvn | xiq: you have main already, you just add contrib non-free -> sources.list |
| 06:03.27 | stdisease | MacGyverNL, err priority and nice are 2 different settings in limits.conf |
| 06:03.34 | zoredache | xiq: one of them probably already has main, add to that |
| 06:03.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, not a bitch-about-debian-channel... ?!?! Well, perhaps rather often it's not |
| 06:04.04 | xiq | sorry i thought that wouldnt work... im just so scared... |
| 06:04.14 | marcrosoft | stdisease: I see one is the max-min of changing the priority |
| 06:04.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !comfort xiq |
| 06:04.15 | dpkg | There, there, xiq. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:04.24 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: *shrug* |
| 06:04.30 | xiq | comeon apt-get, only 1% left.... NO, there it goes. |
| 06:04.31 | zoredache | xiq: make a backup... if you have a good backup of your system, then you don't have to worry |
| 06:04.39 | xiq | ok |
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| 06:04.48 | xiq | i bet i'm pretty annoying... sorry |
| 06:05.56 | xiq | hey, it works! |
| 06:06.57 | stdisease | marcrosoft, maybe try pam-auth-update ?? |
| 06:07.13 | xiq | if this is all done, i will download inkscape and make some graphical stuff, like thats why I came here... |
| 06:07.15 | zophy | i think mpg123 produces better audio then totem or mplayer |
| 06:07.22 | zophy | sounds better |
| 06:07.42 | zophy | greater dynamic range, less distortion to my ears |
| 06:08.14 | simonrvn | i have to agree, probably having to do with less crap in the way :P. |
| 06:08.25 | zophy | mpg123 http://wbgo.streamguys.net |
| 06:08.34 | zophy | fm 88 in nyc |
| 06:08.42 | zophy | jazz |
| 06:08.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | urgh |
| 06:09.04 | simonrvn | dude... |
| 06:09.16 | xiq | never download jazz, anything but jazz! because the quality sucks then |
| 06:09.24 | zophy | public radio, npr |
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| 06:09.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | the big lebowski? |
| 06:09.43 | xiq | oh this comes over way then i meant. I mean, buying jazz is good! |
| 06:10.24 | zophy | sure i pay bucks for quality if it's jazz |
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| 06:10.31 | stack | I have plenty of good jazz mp3 that doesn't sucks :) |
| 06:10.31 | centHOGG | wfw311 |
| 06:10.34 | simonrvn | xiq: lemme guess, you or a friend have a cd/album out |
| 06:10.51 | xiq | simonrvn: no, i'm not so good xD |
| 06:11.31 | simonrvn | hah, i figured it was something like that ;). only someone with a vested interest would say that ^^^^ |
| 06:12.10 | xiq | but i once was in the train, it had the album from ella f. it was called ella ella ella (it was sung by other people) i downloaded it, and i wanted to puke because of the bad quality. Then i bought the original version from 1950 and a few joints later... i mean songs, sorry, a few song later it was... no wait, that makes no sense. |
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| 06:12.46 | zophy | ella is the force |
| 06:12.52 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 06:12.53 | xiq | :) |
| 06:13.10 | stdisease | hahahaha |
| 06:13.25 | xiq | jazzlovers, yay! |
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| 06:13.46 | simonrvn | is partial to jazz, r&b too |
| 06:13.53 | marcrosoft | well limits.conf has min-max nice value and default priority but I am not sure what the differences are :( |
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| 06:15.02 | simonrvn | linux priority isn't as fine-grained as bsd, more often than not people set nice; but nothing stops you from tweaking prio. |
| 06:15.10 | xiq | ok, lets see if compiz is working now... |
| 06:15.33 | simonrvn | i don't remember the man page that covers that stuff, you could look in man ps, and go from there. |
| 06:16.21 | marcrosoft | simonrvn: alright ill start digging |
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| 06:18.31 | zophy | Illegal Audio-MPEG-Header |
| 06:18.41 | zophy | busted |
| 06:18.42 | stdisease | I have mpg321 instead |
| 06:18.53 | stdisease | zophy, haha :D |
| 06:19.39 | zophy | i think for a while there was a license problem with the name mpg123 |
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| 06:19.50 | zophy | i outlived it |
| 06:20.17 | zophy | /usr/bin/mpg123 |
| 06:20.20 | zophy | /usr/bin/mpg123 |
| 06:20.31 | centHOGG | yah debian |
| 06:20.33 | zophy | no mpg321 here\ |
| 06:20.44 | zophy | not on debian anym ore |
| 06:20.58 | simonrvn | !mpg123 |
| 06:20.58 | dpkg | somebody said mpg123 was a _command line_ mp3 player. in non-free and buggy (use <mpg321> instead), or the most cpu/memory efficient one around!, or contains LGPL and GPL portions |
| 06:21.00 | zophy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.10 | stdisease | mpg123 is symlinked to mpg321 |
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| 06:22.11 | simonrvn | updates sid after 2-3 days of ubuntu.... |
| 06:22.33 | simonrvn | 140 packages to update.. |
| 06:22.37 | zophy | /usr/bin/mpg123 -> /etc/alternatives/mpg123 |
| 06:22.40 | zophy | geez |
| 06:23.05 | stdisease | zophy, yeah in case you have both mpg123 and mpg321 |
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| 06:23.25 | zophy | simonrvn, what do you think of ubuntu ? |
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| 06:23.42 | simonrvn | you run sid if you're crazy, help debug, are a dd, or have lots of bandwidth, or any of the above ;p. |
| 06:24.02 | stdisease | dd? |
| 06:24.10 | stdisease | debian dev? |
| 06:24.14 | peterrooney | dd == debian developer |
| 06:24.20 | stdisease | ah ok |
| 06:24.23 | zophy | debian dodo |
| 06:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | extinct |
| 06:24.42 | zophy | whatever :) |
| 06:24.49 | simonrvn | zophy: it's offtopic, but it has its plusses, but i much prefer debian. ubuntu is too handhold-y for me. though i admit it appeals to my laziness. |
| 06:25.15 | centHOGG | ubuntu-server i like |
| 06:25.28 | zophy | i like all the info i get from google searches that come from ubuntu forums |
| 06:25.40 | centHOGG | y |
| 06:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | man ps? there's a man of limits.conf |
| 06:26.03 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: figures |
| 06:26.07 | simonrvn | marcrosoft: ^^^ |
| 06:26.12 | zophy | gentoo is way down the list |
| 06:26.17 | zophy | way down |
| 06:26.27 | zophy | way way way way way down |
| 06:26.28 | centHOGG | never been able to install |
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| 06:26.34 | centHOGG | too impatient |
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| 06:26.41 | marcrosoft | CutMeOwnThroat: it doesnt tell much |
| 06:26.54 | simonrvn | their forums have good info occasionally, but usually i find better info on the debian lists, or the bts. |
| 06:27.57 | zophy | surely, debian specific is invaluable |
| 06:28.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | zophy, at least 50% of the time I *hate* the info i get from ubuntu forums... "I got no clue" "I got the sam (or actually a totally different) problem, but also no clue" ... and so on 5-10 pages of that and I could strangle someone |
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| 06:28.36 | zophy | thaqt means 50% is good info ? |
| 06:28.38 | centHOGG | well its free |
| 06:28.44 | zophy | heh |
| 06:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | zophy, that means too much of the users are retards who don't know when to shut up... nobody really needs these "aol" posts |
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| 06:30.57 | marcrosoft | ok i got it to work |
| 06:31.09 | marcrosoft | but pam_limits are only for ssh logged in users |
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| 06:31.15 | marcrosoft | not local |
| 06:31.16 | zophy | if the top three or four google results don't help me, i modify my search |
| 06:31.55 | centHOGG | ?num=100 |
| 06:32.01 | simonrvn | this is where the summaries are helpful ;) |
| 06:32.09 | simonrvn | *hint hint* |
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| 06:32.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | marcrosoft, I don't think so |
| 06:32.51 | dfsfsfsflsjfs | how do I install command on conquer on Ubuntu ? |
| 06:32.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | marcrosoft, there is no fundamental difference between users logged in via ssh or otherwise |
| 06:32.58 | centHOGG | google has their own linux right? |
| 06:33.08 | simonrvn | logged in users, iirc. for processes you need to tweak them with ulimit |
| 06:33.16 | marcrosoft | CutMeOwnThroat: well it works for ssh username@localhost |
| 06:33.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | they just get access to some more devices |
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| 06:33.24 | marcrosoft | CutMeOwnThroat: but not su - username |
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| 06:33.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | marcrosoft, because you managed to *really* log in afresh there |
| 06:33.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, strange... su - should do as well |
| 06:33.52 | marcrosoft | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe su doesnt call pam? |
| 06:33.54 | simonrvn | not really |
| 06:34.02 | simonrvn | su does too call pam |
| 06:34.06 | marcrosoft | oh |
| 06:34.15 | dfsfsfsflsjfs | can anyone help |
| 06:34.22 | simonrvn | /etc/pam.d/ *cough* |
| 06:34.26 | marcrosoft | maybe su - is not getting the most recent limits.conf? |
| 06:34.32 | simonrvn | !tell dfsfsfsflsjfs -about ask |
| 06:34.33 | centHOGG | sure |
| 06:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | marcrosoft, man su |
| 06:35.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | marcrosoft, When - is used, it must be specified as the last su option. |
| 06:35.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 06:35.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, that should be ok |
| 06:35.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, he did |
| 06:35.43 | simonrvn | ooh, xfce 4.6.1 |
| 06:35.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ubuntu |
| 06:35.58 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 06:35.58 | stdisease | simonrvn, ooh nice, on sid already? |
| 06:36.04 | simonrvn | oh, i missed it. |
| 06:36.20 | simonrvn | dfsfsfsflsjfs: /join #ubuntu |
| 06:36.59 | simonrvn | stdisease: yeh |
| 06:37.11 | simonrvn | not all there, but mostly. |
| 06:37.23 | stdisease | nice |
| 06:37.23 | Ex-Cyber | is libmagickcore2 supposed to replace libmagick10? |
| 06:37.27 | simonrvn | oh wait, maybe exp. ... |
| 06:37.32 | simonrvn | lemme check |
| 06:37.32 | stdisease | apt-get ..... |
| 06:38.02 | stdisease | err.. damned mirror didn't fetch them yet |
| 06:38.20 | simonrvn | yeh aptc policy says unstable for xfwm4 |
| 06:38.31 | marcrosoft | yeah tested again, i cam user@localhost and it works but su it doesnt |
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| 06:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | zophy, and sure, some of the time it's good information... but the times it's not, it's really painful and I see my life force draining away |
| 06:39.16 | simonrvn | you might need to tweak your pam conf for su |
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| 06:39.21 | simonrvn | marcrosoft: ^^^ |
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| 06:39.34 | simonrvn | ...or whatever thing you want there. |
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| 06:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | marcrosoft, "The optional argument - may be used to provide an environment similar to what the user would expect had the user logged in directly." |
| 06:40.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | try su -l - |
| 06:40.36 | zophy | !CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:40.37 | dpkg | Cut Me Own Throat (C.M.O.T) Dibbler is a most enterprising 'merchant venturer' in Terry Pratchetts Discworld series. He is famous for selling meat by-products, i.e. sausages to unsuspecting souls (often referred to with "Can't make both ends meat"). His name originates from his catchphrase 'I'll even sell it to you for $XX, and that's cutting me own throat.' |
| 06:40.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | su - is the same as su -l |
| 06:40.49 | simonrvn | marcrosoft: there's a pam module to set up limits pam_limits. i don't think the default pam.d/su calls it -- check it first before taking my word for it. |
| 06:41.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, seems it's not really a new login |
| 06:41.11 | simonrvn | it isn't |
| 06:41.20 | simonrvn | it's like sg |
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| 06:41.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about bash -l |
| 06:41.56 | simonrvn | you can fake it to a certain extent with pam_limits (with what he wants to do anyway) |
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| 06:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably also no good |
| 06:41.59 | marcrosoft | simonrvn: I just did ctrl+alt+f1 and logged in and the limit worked |
| 06:42.03 | marcrosoft | simonrvn: so definitely su |
| 06:42.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | marcrosoft, anyway, doesn't matter - all real logins will have it |
| 06:42.21 | simonrvn | yeh, figures |
| 06:42.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course |
| 06:43.00 | marcrosoft | Thanks for the help guys |
| 06:43.13 | marcrosoft | anyone know the max priority? I think it might be 39 |
| 06:43.16 | marcrosoft | nice is 19 |
| 06:43.20 | simonrvn | that's why when you su you use - most of the time |
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| 06:43.30 | simonrvn | i think it is 39, yeh |
| 06:43.51 | marcrosoft | simonrvn: alright awesome |
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| 06:46.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, you're not even in debian-offtopic! |
| 06:46.37 | simonrvn | nope |
| 06:46.37 | marcrosoft | For anyone wondering you dont set priority in limits.conf any number is added to default |
| 06:46.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can you point there, you don't know if it's left or right! |
| 06:46.49 | marcrosoft | so username hard priority 1 |
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| 06:46.53 | marcrosoft | doesnt set priority to 1 |
| 06:46.57 | marcrosoft | it sets it to 21 |
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| 06:47.02 | marcrosoft | and changes nice to 1 |
| 06:47.12 | simonrvn | because my irssi auto-sorts the chan names ;p |
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| 06:47.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | correlation doesn't imply causation :-P |
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| 06:47.55 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:48.13 | zophy | i hear there is a xchat bash script that fully emulates irssibash |
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| 06:49.26 | zophy | oh, surprise, a dead body fell on jaMIE CURTIS |
| 06:50.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know dead bodies but who the fuck is jamie curtis |
| 06:50.28 | zophy | romano y julietta is a good cigar |
| 06:50.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | google knows |
| 06:50.59 | zophy | jamie curtis is tony curtis' daughter |
| 06:51.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a british screenwriter who wrote spice world! |
| 06:51.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | not to be confused with jamie lee curtis |
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| 06:52.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | waggles his eyebrows at #debian-offtopic |
| 06:52.26 | zophy | we used to call her jim |
| 06:53.01 | zophy | sometimes jony |
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| 06:55.07 | zophy | Mon Apr 20 01:58:18 CDT 2009 |
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| 06:55.44 | zophy | romano y julietta is a good cigar |
| 06:55.48 | zophy | sweet |
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| 06:57.11 | zophy | oh wait it is adrienne barbeau |
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| 06:58.47 | zophy | she was nude model on the backs of playing cards |
| 06:58.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, hehe, it's got it's own wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation |
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| 06:59.57 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 07:01.02 | zophy | my $6.60 stogie is all gone |
| 07:01.12 | zophy | it was a good one |
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| 07:03.50 | zophy | how does the movie "The Chronicles of Riddick" relate to debian ? |
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| 07:07.49 | thank | any body used bootchart ? |
| 07:08.11 | xiq | ok, now i've reinstalled debian, and compiz is now asking for xgl. but isnt xgl out-dated? |
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| 07:08.43 | thank | bootchart's log file no found in /var/log dir |
| 07:08.46 | simonrvn | xiq: composite extension |
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| 07:09.08 | xiq | ? |
| 07:09.20 | thank | hello |
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| 07:09.45 | thank | any body can help me about bootchart? |
| 07:09.55 | thank | thanks in advance ! |
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| 07:10.36 | stdisease | bootchart? |
| 07:10.41 | thank | yes |
| 07:11.03 | stdisease | googles |
| 07:11.07 | simonrvn | just ask the question, but i think you'll wait a while... |
| 07:11.26 | xiq | still no decoration, after 16 hours, damnit i go crazy now |
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| 07:12.39 | stdisease | !comfort xiq |
| 07:12.39 | dpkg | There, there, xiq. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:12.41 | xiq | Xgl not present, no whitelisted driver found |
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| 07:13.39 | maligor | anyone used the fglrx 9.4 packages? I seem to get a lot of: "Invalid map handle!<3>[fglrx:drm_vm_close] *ERROR* map not found -> inconsistent kernel data!!!" |
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| 07:14.11 | maligor | hard to say if it's caused by the debian patches to the wrapper or just fglrx badness tho |
| 07:14.13 | simonrvn | xiq: enable the composite extension |
| 07:14.17 | simonrvn | !compiz |
| 07:14.17 | dpkg | compiz is, like, a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/, #compiz @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 07:14.45 | simonrvn | xiq: enable the composite extension |
| 07:14.48 | simonrvn | !compiz |
| 07:14.48 | dpkg | methinks compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/, #compiz @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:14.53 | xiq | how_ i installed it allready |
| 07:15.19 | simonrvn | no, read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 07:15.30 | simonrvn | !composite |
| 07:15.55 | simonrvn | meh |
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| 07:16.41 | maligor | xiq, what graphics card is it? |
| 07:17.05 | maligor | I think pretty much all drivers should support AIGLX these days tho |
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| 07:17.59 | simonrvn | enabled by default |
| 07:18.36 | zinx | that only applies if the drivers are installed right |
| 07:18.58 | simonrvn | true |
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| 07:41.57 | xiq | simon, i still dont have decoration =( |
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| 07:42.27 | simonrvn | did you do the nvidia one-liner yet? |
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| 07:42.33 | xiq | one liner? |
| 07:42.38 | xiq | sorry i was eating soup |
| 07:42.47 | simonrvn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 07:42.48 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 07:43.31 | simonrvn | i know you used the installer but it's better for you to use the debian stuff. |
| 07:43.49 | maligor | you should uninstall the nvidia stuff first tho |
| 07:43.54 | maligor | otherwise you'll have a mess |
| 07:44.07 | xiq | that is confusing |
| 07:44.12 | simonrvn | yes, quite |
| 07:44.14 | xiq | wait |
| 07:44.25 | xiq | i reinstalled debian, and then installed the debian drivers for nvidia |
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| 07:44.38 | xiq | but grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf just shows mouse and keyboard |
| 07:44.42 | simonrvn | ok. why the reinstall though? |
| 07:44.56 | xiq | i messed everything up ^_^ |
| 07:45.05 | simonrvn | wtf is wrong with my less? |
| 07:45.18 | xiq | lesson? |
| 07:45.20 | maligor | simonrvn, it's not more? |
| 07:45.38 | simonrvn | Section "Extensions"\nOption "Composite" "Enable"\nEndSection |
| 07:45.46 | simonrvn | maligor: heh |
| 07:46.05 | maligor | printing lineendings huh? |
| 07:46.12 | cast | sweet, the aptitude man page is fixed in stable :) |
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| 07:47.32 | simonrvn | maligor: less /etc/X11/xorg.conf was just doing "/etc/X11/xorg.conf lines ?-?/? (END)" |
| 07:47.43 | xiq | this is so weird... never had any problems with ATI |
| 07:47.47 | simonrvn | sighs "oh sid" |
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| 07:48.27 | maligor | heh, yeah, it seems to read stdin fine tho |
| 07:48.52 | xiq | debian is used in schools now :) |
| 07:48.57 | maligor | xiq, do you have 3d acceleration working right? |
| 07:49.05 | xiq | maligor: i dont know oO |
| 07:49.22 | maligor | try: glxinfo | grep renderer |
| 07:49.22 | xiq | wait i'll install a crappy 3d game and see |
| 07:49.27 | xiq | ok |
| 07:49.34 | xiq | AHHHH its modding my kernel! |
| 07:49.46 | xiq | where did it go? i'm gonna diiieeee |
| 07:50.27 | xiq | glx is missing on like, 20 displays |
| 07:50.57 | jelly-home | !spank xiq |
| 07:50.57 | dpkg | bends xiq over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 07:51.35 | xiq | you spank on me oO |
| 07:51.45 | maligor | you should make sure you're using the nvidia driver and not nv ;) |
| 07:51.49 | xiq | i just installed xgl |
| 07:51.49 | zophy | dpkg is a lot of fun |
| 07:51.49 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, zophy |
| 07:51.57 | maligor | you don't need xgl with nvidia drivers |
| 07:51.58 | xiq | im so damn confused |
| 07:52.17 | xiq | wait i got it now, i rtfm |
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| 07:53.23 | xiq | xorg conf is... empty -.- |
| 07:53.52 | maligor | you can just add Driver "nvidia" in Section "Device" |
| 07:53.56 | maligor | you can leave it mostly empty |
| 07:54.07 | xiq | there it is, wait |
| 07:54.25 | xiq | Section "Device" |
| 07:54.25 | xiq | Identifier"Configured Video Device" |
| 07:54.40 | xiq | to -> Section "Device" |
| 07:54.41 | xiq | Identifier"nvidia" |
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| 07:55.08 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 07:55.14 | zophy | hi |
| 07:55.55 | maligor | ... |
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| 07:56.12 | xiq | still no decoration... i restarted X |
| 07:56.15 | maligor | xiq, I said: Driver "nvidia" |
| 07:56.28 | maligor | xiq, as in a new line |
| 07:56.43 | gypsymauro | I've a script under cron.hourly but it works if I run it manually but not when it's launched by cron, I suppose cause the PATH variable is not right and it doesn't found binaries in the path.. any hint to quick solve this problem? (or I need to put all absolute path in a very long script?) |
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| 07:57.09 | xiq | so, without a section? |
| 07:57.24 | jelly-home | <maligor> you can just add Driver "nvidia" in Section "Device" |
| 07:57.40 | xiq | Section "Device" |
| 07:57.40 | xiq | Identifier"nvidia" |
| 07:57.50 | maligor | add a new line under the identifier with that on it |
| 07:58.03 | xiq | ok |
| 07:58.22 | maligor | the identifiers are just for unique device identification |
| 07:58.27 | xiq | Identifier"nvidia" |
| 07:58.28 | xiq | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.52 | xiq | dpkg nvidia |
| 07:58.52 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 07:59.59 | xiq | and now, under the device, i add: Load "glx" right? |
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| 08:04.17 | khaleel5000 | battery dying quickly? |
| 08:04.20 | khaleel5000 | hello, i have this laptop of HP |
| 08:04.22 | khaleel5000 | http://www.shophive.com/shophive/Hp-Pavi... |
| 08:04.25 | khaleel5000 | [basically Intel c2d, 2.2ghz (t6600), nvidia 9600M GT] |
| 08:04.30 | khaleel5000 | when on battery , it only gives about 1 hr 40 mins, regardless of use, i.e. playing crysis or running internet.Is it acceptable for these specs or is there genuinely a problem with the battery?. |
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| 08:04.44 | khaleel5000 | so is tehre a way i can check batterly life/state in debian lenny? |
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| 08:05.11 | khaleel5000 | and* is tehre a way i can check batterly life/state in debian lenny? |
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| 08:05.23 | xiq | it said, driver is not a valid argument |
| 08:05.32 | zophy | khaleel5000, there is a gpanel app |
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| 08:05.54 | zophy | or you can read /proc/.... |
| 08:06.30 | xiq | gpkg nvidia |
| 08:06.36 | cast | on my sys i poke into cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/* |
| 08:06.54 | jelly-home | or run "acpi -b" |
| 08:07.02 | zophy | oooo |
| 08:07.29 | cast | looks for the package with acpi in it |
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| 08:07.33 | xiq | gkpg nvidia |
| 08:07.42 | xiq | . |
| 08:07.48 | zophy | acpi -b is cool |
| 08:07.50 | jelly-home | cast: one wonders what it might be called like! |
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| 08:08.01 | cast | apci? |
| 08:08.07 | khaleel5000 | zophy: there is no package named gpanel |
| 08:08.09 | jelly-home | ... no, try again |
| 08:09.20 | zophy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.20 | cast | tries to remember what a ipac is |
| 08:09.24 | xiq | ipaq, isnt that smartphone |
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| 08:09.55 | jelly-home | I heardz /proc/acpi was deprecamamted and /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/ was the new cool |
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| 08:10.13 | jelly-home | did they lie? |
| 08:10.23 | khaleel5000 | zophy: are you referrign to a 'gnome' app? |
| 08:10.24 | cast | the whole acpi is new to me :\ |
| 08:10.30 | maligor | acpi -c is the cool! :P |
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| 08:11.00 | cast | mutters and waits to install acpi after aptitude full-upgrade is done |
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| 08:11.19 | maligor | it's not very useful on other than laptops |
| 08:11.24 | zophy | khaleel5000, yes a gnome desktop panel app |
| 08:12.23 | cast | fuck. ran out of disk space during aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 08:12.59 | larswey | Could i get some help installing from a usb-drive? i dont know what files to use on it |
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| 08:13.30 | zophy | cast, you need more disk space |
| 08:13.42 | nkuttler | cast: start with apt-get autoclean |
| 08:13.45 | zophy | you could try apt-get autocleam |
| 08:14.06 | zophy | i always use apt-get |
| 08:14.19 | zophy | what is aptitude ? |
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| 08:14.57 | centHOGG | the next step up from apt-get |
| 08:15.09 | xiq | well, theres no device "nvidia", but theres device "nv" |
| 08:16.21 | xiq | this is hopeless... should i maybe post my .conf? |
| 08:16.39 | cast | larswey: i'm about to do a reinst right now, will use a debian-live image to boot off |
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| 08:18.08 | zophy | darn, my cigar is all gone |
| 08:18.16 | xiq | oh no =( |
| 08:18.18 | zophy | it was a good one |
| 08:18.30 | zophy | romano y julietta |
| 08:18.34 | zophy | sweet |
| 08:18.58 | xiq | i prefer the one in my price-class, like... opensource... |
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| 08:19.47 | xiq | ok, extreme tux race won't start... this can only mean im screwed |
| 08:20.46 | xiq | "xmoto" wont start, too... |
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| 08:21.03 | cast | would there be a rw compressed filesystem suitable for me to use for things like /usr/share to save some space? |
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| 08:23.46 | larswey | http://tinyurl.com/d4u9jz - these files dont really tell me how to install from usb-stick |
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| 08:24.55 | FredZ | How can a chroot a user who uses ssh into the server? |
| 08:25.19 | FredZ | Thats how can I |
| 08:25.21 | cast | why would you |
| 08:25.31 | cast | !chroot |
| 08:25.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 08:25.38 | FredZ | For the same reason you would with ftp |
| 08:25.42 | EmleyMoor | FredZ: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 08:25.43 | cast | which is? |
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| 08:26.41 | cast | !ssh chroot |
| 08:26.41 | dpkg | ssh chroot is probably Stop. Read http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425/30/0/ and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 08:26.48 | FredZ | I want a user/users to be able to login to the server remotely and be chrooted to the home folder |
| 08:26.48 | cast | ahh there we go. |
| 08:26.57 | cast | but why? |
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| 08:28.18 | FredZ | this is for some remote web dev we are having done. I thought this may be a better way of giving acces to the web area. maybe not. |
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| 08:28.46 | cast | do they need ssh access at all? |
| 08:28.48 | xiq | simon are you still there? |
| 08:29.05 | FredZ | They can do with ftp I guess. |
| 08:29.20 | nkuttler | FredZ: do you chroot the httpd? |
| 08:29.27 | FredZ | yes |
| 08:29.41 | simonrvn | sorta |
| 08:29.49 | nkuttler | well, i think if you don't trust the person you shouldn't give him/her ssh at all |
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| 08:30.18 | FredZ | OK, that was simple. |
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| 08:31.56 | xiq | simonrvn: could it just be that i have no compiz themes? |
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| 08:34.43 | simonrvn | well, you need /something/ to display |
| 08:35.24 | mythomaniac | wow the debuan user forums went down, eh? |
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| 08:35.40 | mythomaniac | err debian |
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| 08:42.49 | simion314 | hi, i have a laptop that had runed kubuntu and arch linux, now i installed debian on it to make a stable environment for my wife, i installed the base system and on top i installed the kde metapackage. I have no sound , i installed alsa, and when i try to restart/start alsa i get an eror that sais i have no soundcard, i need help to troubleshot this, this laptop worked fine with other linuxes so maybe i installed debian wrong |
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| 08:44.40 | simion314 | i have inlspci this 02:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 12) |
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| 08:46.01 | xiq | simon, I finally made it! thanks alot :) :) :) |
| 08:48.04 | xiq | oh no -.- now i have maximum 1024x768 and 50hz... |
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| 08:49.17 | nkuttler | simion314: lsmod | grep snd ? |
| 08:49.37 | nkuttler | simion314: and /msg dpkg audio |
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| 08:52.47 | nkuttler | simion314: afaik your card needs the maestro3 driver, which apparently requires firmware |
| 08:52.50 | nkuttler | !maestro3 |
| 08:52.50 | dpkg | The snd-maestro3 ALSA driver now requires firmware for its operation. Refer to the procedure at http://wiki.debian.org/snd-maestro3 . See also <alsa firmware>. |
| 08:53.24 | simion314 | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/m3f4ca20 |
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| 08:54.07 | nkuttler | simion314: you probably habe something about missing firmware in your logs, see the wiki |
| 08:54.28 | simion314 | thx |
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| 08:55.05 | nkuttler | uh, that page looks messy |
| 08:55.44 | nkuttler | well, no, it looks kind of ok :) |
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| 09:08.07 | xiq | hey, how do I change the resolution with nvidia drivers? |
| 09:08.38 | cast | there is a nvidia-settings or similar named app with the nvidia drivers |
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| 09:11.35 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 09:11.46 | sobersabre | I've git cloned ftpsync |
| 09:12.03 | sobersabre | Does it have a dedicated # ? |
| 09:12.15 | sobersabre | [I mean IRC channel] |
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| 09:13.26 | azeem | sobersabre: check their home page, check the server lists here and on OFTC, google |
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| 09:13.55 | sobersabre | ok thanks. |
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| 09:17.13 | cptblood | i wanna setup a webmail interface and daemon on my debian box, what would be the easiest way of doing this? |
| 09:17.59 | cast | this just a generic daemon? |
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| 09:18.22 | cast | squirrelmail might be worth a look |
| 09:19.05 | cast | 'SquirrelMail has been implemented as the official email system of the Prime Minister's Office of The Republic of India for its security advantages over Microsoft Office Outlook/Exchange system' |
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| 09:20.10 | petemc | squirrelmail isnt the same thing as exchange |
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| 09:20.35 | cast | that it isn't |
| 09:20.36 | themill | that's not really a glowing recommendation. Even roundcube can probably do better for security than MS Lookout. |
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| 09:22.22 | cast | i found it interesting, the merit of not being a proprietary application from a distant technologically superior foreign power, would be an interesting one to weigh in |
| 09:22.23 | enouf | United States Federal Car Insurance also sounds official eh? |
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| 09:28.02 | cptblood | roundcube seems to have a nice gui |
| 09:28.33 | simonrvn | ...and a recent exploit (that's been fixed) |
| 09:28.53 | cptblood | as long as it is fixed i dont mind |
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| 09:29.04 | cptblood | is it easy to setup? |
| 09:29.11 | simonrvn | dunno |
| 09:29.43 | ronr | afaik there are no debian packages so you don't get the fixes in the usual way (which caused a hacked machine for me due to the said exploit.....) |
| 09:29.56 | cptblood | ok |
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| 09:30.13 | cptblood | got any easily setup packages for debian to serve as webmail? |
| 09:30.16 | klaz168 | forums.debian.net really got hacked? |
| 09:30.28 | simonrvn | cptblood: squirrelmail |
| 09:30.39 | iwmw | gonna watch it |
| 09:30.43 | simNIX | seconds squirelmail |
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| 09:31.41 | cptblood | squirrelmail just looks butt-ugly tho (i know it shouldnt be a factor, but i gotta please the users heh) |
| 09:31.58 | jelly | cptblood: roundcube has an overall bad security record |
| 09:32.00 | simNIX | theme penquin looks good imho |
| 09:32.07 | cptblood | oh |
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| 09:32.54 | cptblood | any other, so i have some to choose from? |
| 09:33.05 | jelly | um. IMP? |
| 09:33.55 | petemc | cptblood: you can change the look of squirrelmail |
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| 09:34.11 | simonrvn | it's unfortunate that roundcube has such a crap record, it's such a neat name. |
| 09:34.23 | cptblood | yea i saw petemc, they all look like crap to me tho |
| 09:34.38 | cptblood | running imp at my uni, not too impressed by its functions tho |
| 09:34.47 | jelly | in fact, there are businesses built around making decent skins for squirrelmail |
| 09:34.48 | petemc | cptblood: there are skins strewn all around the net, i doubt you've seen them all |
| 09:34.58 | petemc | yeah, nutsmail for one |
| 09:35.13 | jelly | nutsmail's screenshots look decent |
| 09:35.18 | cptblood | they all seem to origin from the default tho |
| 09:35.30 | jelly | cptblood: and that bad how? |
| 09:35.46 | sep | jelly, unfortunatly some of the businesses bundle in squirrel. and they don't allways upgrade when squirrel does |
| 09:35.48 | cptblood | the interface just doesnt get to me, gonna check out nutsmail |
| 09:35.59 | sep | instead of just keeping it as a theme |
| 09:36.04 | petemc | nutsmail == $$ |
| 09:36.09 | cptblood | bleh |
| 09:36.17 | cptblood | looked decent |
| 09:36.22 | cptblood | looks* |
| 09:36.27 | jelly | !tanstaafl |
| 09:36.27 | dpkg | methinks tanstaafl is "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch", from Robert A. Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" Heinlein, "The cat who walks through walls" |
| 09:36.32 | petemc | its not expensive |
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| 09:37.36 | jelly | indeed |
| 09:37.41 | utrrrongeeb | I'm trying to configure a WesternDigital-based ISA Ethernet card in Etch. The module said it had found it, but kept producing errors like "transmitter busy" and dropped every packet. |
| 09:37.47 | cptblood | im somewhat of a *nix noob tho, so i wanna test it out before buying anything... is there a trial or something? or does anyone have any other ideas of a neat squirrelmail theme? |
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| 09:42.05 | thank | Hi paulell , the problem is resolved |
| 09:42.34 | thank | thanks you for your help about this " bootchart " |
| 09:42.36 | thank | thanks |
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| 09:49.51 | zoggy | hey, sorry does debian stable no longer include apache 1 altogether? |
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| 09:50.13 | enouf | probably not |
| 09:50.36 | cptblood | how do i install php ? |
| 09:50.44 | zoggy | ok so i guess it's time to move to apache2? thanks |
| 09:50.56 | cast | zoggy: it was time a while ago! |
| 09:51.23 | enouf | apt-get update ; apt-cache search --names-only php |
| 09:51.32 | bzed | zoggy: that was mentioned in the etch release notes already :) |
| 09:52.19 | enouf | might want to toy with regex, or try php5 or whichever |
| 09:52.38 | zoggy | bzed: wow, thanks |
| 09:52.44 | zoggy | our servers are all on apache1 |
| 09:52.50 | zoggy | heck. work to be done :) thanks |
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| 09:55.12 | Blade_Runner | Which is better, Scheme or Haskell? |
| 09:55.45 | cast | i like dark chocolate best |
| 09:56.14 | Blade_Runner | but if u had 2 choose scheme or haskell, which would you choose? |
| 09:56.21 | mischief6 | Blade_Runner, doesn't the thought of being a little schemer entice you? |
| 09:56.37 | Blade_Runner | I'm not mischievious |
| 09:56.39 | Blade_Runner | sorry |
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| 09:57.26 | mischief6 | :} |
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| 10:05.36 | cptblood | to install mysql, i just do apt-get install mysql-admin |
| 10:05.37 | cptblood | or? |
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| 10:06.10 | vinograd19 | Hi everyone. /var/log/messages don't write anything when I'm pressing buttons on my laptop (like power). Acpid is running. How can I make acpid working? |
| 10:06.57 | cast | cptblood: so, somehow you've come to have a server running debian and now you want to run...a forum? a blog? |
| 10:07.12 | cptblood | webmail service |
| 10:07.20 | cast | cptblood: apt-get has a simulate option, you could quickly pass that and see if it'll install mysql |
| 10:08.29 | cptblood | it didnt |
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| 10:08.59 | cast | ah. |
| 10:09.14 | cptblood | ah, mysql-server is the package |
| 10:09.29 | enouf | cptblood: might want to look at what tasksel offers too |
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| 10:09.38 | cptblood | tasksel? |
| 10:10.32 | enouf | tasksel --task-packages <task-name> # where <task-name is what "tasksel --list-tasks" shows you> |
| 10:10.50 | cptblood | k |
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| 10:11.20 | t3 | hi all |
| 10:11.38 | t3 | i install debian etch r3 |
| 10:11.55 | t3 | with nvidia GeForce 8400 GS |
| 10:11.57 | enouf | learning apt{-get}, and/or aptitude well should help greatly |
| 10:12.08 | t3 | but nv driver not work |
| 10:12.16 | enouf | you could /msg dpkg grounding (see reference especially) |
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| 10:12.21 | t3 | can you give me link to download it |
| 10:12.24 | t3 | ? plz |
| 10:12.26 | cast | t3: enter key is working though |
| 10:12.30 | enouf | !nvidia |
| 10:12.30 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 10:13.00 | cptblood | mysql is installed |
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| 10:13.38 | cptblood | where is the "homepage"-files for php located ? |
| 10:13.49 | mischief6 | what is a homepage file for php? o.O |
| 10:13.50 | cptblood | the "It works!" file |
| 10:13.57 | cast | have a look at the apache config |
| 10:14.13 | cptblood | i havent changed anything, so should be in default dir? |
| 10:14.16 | cast | you'll be able to work out from there where the It works! default page is |
| 10:14.20 | Superbartt | /var/www/default afaik :p |
| 10:14.51 | cptblood | close, /var/www/index.html :) |
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| 10:18.08 | zxd | hi |
| 10:18.27 | zxd | is there a tool for editing /etc/fonts/conf.d or can I edit it directly |
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| 10:19.01 | cast | here's too hoping i can boot from usb |
| 10:19.30 | enouf | well... conf.d/ is a dir/ so the file within are editable/alterable via various apps without any one of them interfering with another's settings |
| 10:19.40 | enouf | s/file/files |
| 10:20.43 | cptblood | trying out roundcube, but after clicking START installation (using the webbrowser), i get this: Warning: require_once(rcube_shared.inc) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/installer/index.php on line 16 |
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| 10:21.09 | enouf | but the only real font things i know of (besides DE control panel methods) would be dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and man fc-cache and such |
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| 10:23.42 | zxd | enouf, what are outline fonts |
| 10:23.52 | zxd | oh never mind |
| 10:23.57 | zxd | there is a description |
| 10:23.58 | jelly | $ screen -r --> WriteMessage: bad file descriptor |
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| 10:24.24 | cptblood | mysql root@localhost |
| 10:24.24 | cptblood | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 10:24.37 | cptblood | also, how do i properly connect to mysql? im getting this ^^ |
| 10:25.45 | jelly | cptblood: add a -p option, and enter the correct password |
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| 10:25.49 | cptblood | k |
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| 10:26.18 | jelly | also, rtfm |
| 10:26.24 | cptblood | just getting help text when i do that |
| 10:26.29 | cptblood | trying to |
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| 10:27.44 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 10:27.58 | Fox_1_ | how to count the traffic for one IP |
| 10:28.01 | Fox_1_ | ? |
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| 10:28.06 | jelly | cptblood: did you want to say "mysql -u root -p" ? |
| 10:28.56 | cptblood | ah, here we go |
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| 10:30.05 | lord_rob | Hi ! Murphy's law strikes again :( I subscribed to debian forum yesterday ... |
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| 10:30.36 | cptblood | so, i think i created a database, but i still cannot setup roundcube |
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| 10:33.18 | zxd | bbl |
| 10:35.08 | Fox_1_ | people does anyone here used iptotal on lenny>? |
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| 10:35.37 | cast | !anyone |
| 10:35.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search> |
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| 10:53.04 | cast | oh how i love debootstrap |
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| 11:03.00 | jaggz- | Okay, been trying for quite some time to convert some captured DV video to a standard format for ordinary people-viewing (avi, wmv, mp4, or something else compatible) and having a tough time getting ffmpeg to output anything. I installed w32codecs, but it still doesn't accept -vcodec mpeg4, and if I don't specify a codec it defaults to another codec which it says it doesn't support "Video: 0x0000, yuv411p" |
| 11:03.59 | cast | is more of a mencoder user |
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| 11:05.10 | cast | managed to encode DV to something less massive easily enough with it, |
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| 11:06.24 | jaggz- | I'll try mencoder |
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| 11:06.45 | jaggz- | that used to come in the mplayer setup iirc... |
| 11:06.59 | AcTiVaTe | Getting an error when upgrading a machine, http://upgrade.pastebin.com/m7787bc6c |
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| 11:09.14 | cast | seperate package now iirc |
| 11:09.30 | cast | dunno if you have to grab the debian-multimedia one to get mpeg4 encoding or not |
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| 11:10.26 | jaggz- | thanks.. giving it a shot |
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| 11:11.51 | jaggz- | have your commandline handy? |
| 11:12.18 | cast | in a rescue liveusb atm, no mencoder handy |
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| 11:12.53 | cast | mencoder docs have examples on their website, it's not too hard, specify lavc, then give lavc a vcodec=mpeg4 etc.. |
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| 11:18.56 | AcTiVaTe | Anyone seen anything similar when upgrading spamassassin from etch to lenny? |
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| 11:19.01 | AcTiVaTe | http://upgrade.pastebin.com/m7787bc6c |
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| 11:26.17 | mmc | how can I build build-dependencies of the package where the cwd is? I want a constant command (independent of the pkg. name) |
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| 11:26.39 | lancelot | hallo everybody |
| 11:26.47 | mmc | err, _install_ the build dependencies |
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| 11:28.16 | lancelot | i've created on my HD a new partition for data storage with reiserfs, but if i try to run a fortran executable in that partition i get "permission denied" even if i run it by root...any suggestion^ |
| 11:28.18 | lancelot | ? |
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| 11:32.28 | cast | well that was weird, i did my mkfs /dev/sdb1, did my deboostrap, my chroot and setting up the system, then on reboot system froze and now /dev/sdb1 isn't a valid fs |
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| 11:41.40 | claint | just a quick question. do all debian initrd images have raid1 enabled on them? |
| 11:41.45 | cyzie | hi, for squeeze, how is the configuration for X11 ? in lenny or before, i have done using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for the graphic card driver. |
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| 11:45.11 | remoteCTRL1 | i try to sudo apt-get install "collectd-apache" but i get the result "Depends: libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.15.5-1) but it is not going to be installed" somehow i seem to have version mismatches here, how can that be and how can i fix it? |
| 11:45.58 | remoteCTRL1 | it is etch in a xen guest btw... |
| 11:46.09 | maxagaz | i have added two line into my /etc/sudoers file so that the user 'touchscreen' can run reboot and halt command, but it's doesn't work (i'm running it via ssh) : |
| 11:46.11 | maxagaz | Cmnd_AliasSHUTDOWN_CMDS = /sbin/shutdown, /sbin/halt, /sbin/reboot |
| 11:46.16 | maxagaz | touchscreen ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: SHUTDOWN_CMDS |
| 11:46.24 | maxagaz | what's wrong ? |
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| 11:50.48 | remoteCTRL1 | enouf: happen to be there? |
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| 11:53.36 | vyrgozunqk | hi guys, i'm using dual monitor using merged fbdev, my desktop is extendes to the secondary monitor, but is there any way to make the second monitor to show another desktop ? |
| 11:53.43 | remoteCTRL1 | 894 ppl either not there or not knowing... WOW |
| 11:54.06 | vyrgozunqk | for example i want another wallpaper, another panel and other stuff.. |
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| 11:54.42 | remoteCTRL1 | vyrgozunqk: not that i knew of... |
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| 11:54.47 | vyrgozunqk | :/ |
| 11:54.51 | vyrgozunqk | ah bad |
| 11:55.06 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: which debian release are you using? |
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| 11:55.49 | vyrgozunqk | so then there is only clone and extend ? it would be better if you can use monitor 0 for desktop 1, and monitor 1 for desktop 2 for example :/ |
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| 12:00.43 | carl_ | hi guys, are there some known issues with fglrx under sid at the moment? |
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| 12:02.06 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: it's an etch |
| 12:02.09 | carl_ | fglrx-driver complains that xorg should be more then 1:7.1 and i run 1:7.4? |
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| 12:04.59 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: your system is broken somehow |
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| 12:05.48 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: i'd guess you messed up your sources list, use pinning or something like that |
| 12:06.20 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: sure did not... |
| 12:06.36 | remoteCTRL1 | as said its an etch in a xen guest |
| 12:06.45 | remoteCTRL1 | but that shouldnt make a difference, right? |
| 12:06.49 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: apt-cache policy libcurl3-gnutls |
| 12:07.03 | remoteCTRL1 | sudo apt-get update and dist-upgrade work like charms btw... |
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| 12:07.39 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: paste the output of that command and your sources.list |
| 12:07.48 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: just a sec pls |
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| 12:09.34 | remoteCTRL1 | !paste |
| 12:09.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 12:09.35 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: here goes the output of the command: http://paste.debian.net/33976/ |
| 12:10.19 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/33977/ |
| 12:10.24 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: as i said, your sources.list is messed. your security line |
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| 12:10.59 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: stable/updates, you're not running stable |
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| 12:11.52 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: obviously i am running deprecated right? *g* |
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| 12:12.11 | remoteCTRL1 | not a clever thing to put that like this uinto the repos actually imho |
| 12:12.20 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: you're running oldstable. specify releases in your sources. and don't use dist-upgrade unless you intend to |
| 12:12.23 | remoteCTRL1 | err sources.list i meant not repo |
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| 12:12.56 | stone | hallo |
| 12:12.57 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: intend to? you mean a real distribution upgrade? |
| 12:13.01 | nkuttler | yeah |
| 12:13.25 | nkuttler | !de |
| 12:13.25 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 12:13.41 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: err... forgive my noobishness but i never managed to really upgrade the distro with that command is that even possible unless you manually change the sources.list? |
| 12:14.23 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: you sources.list is wrong. it specifies different distros, stable vs. etch. i think you should dist-upgrade to lenny now and reference to specific distros in the future |
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| 12:14.46 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: as for upgrading, see lenny release notes |
| 12:15.02 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: well basically i'd like to do so but it is a running webserver and i'd rather not touch it frankly spoken... |
| 12:15.25 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: well, if you did dist-upgrade you probably already have a semi-broken system |
| 12:15.39 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: but what i would like is to install an apache mod whcih i atm cant so i gotta get this sources.list fixed |
| 12:15.58 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: omg don't scare me dude! |
| 12:16.08 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: well, told you how to fix it |
| 12:16.19 | remoteCTRL1 | by upgrading to lenny? |
| 12:16.21 | nkuttler | gah, this keyboard is dying |
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| 12:16.30 | nkuttler | s/stable/etch/ for starters |
| 12:16.47 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: hmkay, sec pls |
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| 12:17.16 | nkuttler | and then probably remove --purge everything you got from security updates and reinstall those packages |
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| 12:18.24 | zamba | i have a problem with storing files on a cifs mounted share.. problem is that the files are stored as nobody/nogroup with umask 0022.. openoffice is confused by this, since it then opens the file as read-only.. how can i fix this? |
| 12:19.08 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: ok this so far worked |
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| 12:20.00 | Hyperi | Lenny doesn't have apache1.3.7 anymore in apt-package? :/ |
| 12:20.17 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: basic question: can i assume that packages from security repos have dependencies also? so it wouldn't do the updates due to dependency problems also, right? |
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| 12:21.54 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: i wouldn't be too sure of that... |
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| 12:23.08 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: gawwd |
| 12:23.13 | nkuttler | Hyperi: /msg dpkg apache1 |
| 12:23.15 | Hyperi | I'm trying to find apache 1.3.7 from apt-cache search, but it only finds apache2... Any idea? :/ |
| 12:23.18 | Hyperi | ah |
| 12:23.24 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: does the dist-upgrade command change anything in any configs? |
| 12:23.38 | remoteCTRL1 | further if i am not supposed to use it what do i use instead of it? |
| 12:23.41 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: it should ask you before doing so |
| 12:23.52 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: upgrade |
| 12:24.06 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: i see... |
| 12:24.15 | Hyperi | So I really need to learn apache2 now :<< |
| 12:24.20 | remoteCTRL1 | ok i got a seroius probleme here... |
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| 12:24.37 | nkuttler | Hyperi: there's not much to learn, really. much nicer than apache1 imo |
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| 12:24.44 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: probably |
| 12:24.47 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: thnx for the help, man i really appreciate it! |
| 12:25.10 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: yw |
| 12:25.29 | carl_ | are fglrx and sid a bad idea? |
| 12:25.34 | remoteCTRL1 | !release notes |
| 12:25.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>. |
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| 12:26.00 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: dist upgrade to lenny was pretty smooth for me. exim got messed up though, but i have a rather complex setup |
| 12:28.18 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: already messed it up on another workstation there gnome was all of a sudden completely GONE |
| 12:28.23 | remoteCTRL1 | but well |
| 12:28.35 | remoteCTRL1 | its only the corporate web server -.- |
| 12:28.46 | nkuttler | what does gnome do on a server anyway? |
| 12:28.57 | remoteCTRL1 | workstation i said |
| 12:29.02 | nkuttler | oh, right |
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| 12:29.26 | petemc | remoteCTRL1: ever consider the problems you experience are your fault? |
| 12:29.48 | nkuttler | petemc: i think we already have that covered |
| 12:30.09 | petemc | great |
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| 12:31.34 | abrotman | Hyperi: apache1 is gone in lenny |
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| 12:32.08 | remoteCTRL1 | petemc: naaah why would i?:P |
| 12:32.16 | petemc | :) |
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| 12:33.28 | seriouslycgi | :s im having problems with most linux distros and i have no idea where to start trouble shooting, when i copy big files across lans or install via apt-get my computer crawls, the cpu% is still low (around 20% for a 2.4ghz celeron) so it tells me the disks (2x 10GB ide 2x dvd/cdrom) or the nic is maybe causing prolems? the memory is 512mb and i have like 3/4 applications open firefox xchat and a few terminals, any ideas? ipv6? |
| 12:33.51 | seriouslycgi | im using debian mostly but its not limited to debian |
| 12:33.57 | lolipop | Hi, currently I'm using reprepro to manage my own debian repository, How do i sign the individual packages |
| 12:34.23 | lolipop | and How do i sign the repository |
| 12:34.55 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' lol |
| 12:35.02 | remoteCTRL1 | should i really do that? |
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| 12:35.11 | remoteCTRL1 | i mean omg i am scared to death -.- |
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| 12:35.46 | steven43126 | seriouslycgi: if the cpu is still low what about the disks ? |
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| 12:36.03 | steven43126 | seriouslycgi: check the iowait % and use iostat while doing a transfer |
| 12:36.15 | rudi_s | lolipop: If you use reprepro you can tell it to sign the repository. No idea how to sign the packages without building them. |
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| 12:37.28 | zoggy | hi, i'm really liking the apt proxy tool entitled apt-cacher-ng for our ubuntu PCs, but didn't seem to get the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy Acquire setting caching from debian, are there any special steps from a debian box? thanks |
| 12:37.48 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: you aready found out that your system is broken. fix it. i'd upgrade to lenny |
| 12:38.28 | lolipop | rudi_s : The client server spits out a security warning when they apt-get update and apt-get install, how can i solve this |
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| 12:39.04 | rudi_s | lolipop: You must import the public key used for the repository using apt-key. |
| 12:39.26 | seriouslycgi | steven43126, how do i check that? with top? |
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| 12:39.54 | rudi_s | lolipop: On the machine using packages from your repository. |
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| 12:39.58 | abrotman | seriouslycgi: copying them how? |
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| 12:40.13 | Snadder | Anyone know an application to write invoices? |
| 12:40.18 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: already in the middle of it... |
| 12:40.23 | abrotman | Snadder: a PoS system? |
| 12:40.26 | lolipop | rudi_s: owk, okay |
| 12:40.36 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: and praying that it works out otherwise i am so doomed... |
| 12:40.39 | Snadder | abrotman, what is a PoS system? |
| 12:40.43 | abrotman | Point of Sale |
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| 12:40.53 | nkuttler | remoteCTRL1: meh, if anything breaks, fix it |
| 12:40.57 | pickcoder | Snadder: there's a ton of them |
| 12:41.22 | pickcoder | most finance packages support invoicing |
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| 12:41.48 | Snadder | anyone I can download with apt-get? |
| 12:42.37 | abrotman | Snadder: it really depends what type you need |
| 12:42.41 | seriouslycgi | abrotman, like scp mostly or while apt-get updates or installs thats basically it downloading on the net is fine |
| 12:42.52 | abrotman | Snadder: sql-ledger is one, but might be too complicated for what you are doing |
| 12:43.15 | Snadder | abrotman, I need a simple one |
| 12:43.26 | abrotman | seriouslycgi: does the problem happen with non-encrypted? |
| 12:43.44 | steven43126 | seriouslycgi: yes you can use top |
| 12:43.55 | cmdKeen | Hi. How can I tell grub2 where to look for config files? |
| 12:43.58 | seriouslycgi | abrotman, good point |
| 12:44.14 | seriouslycgi | abrotman, i believe you might be onto something there |
| 12:44.22 | abrotman | Snadder: "simple" doesn't really help .. look at sql-ledger .. if it's too much look for something more simple |
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| 12:44.49 | seriouslycgi | steven43126, do i pass options to top? |
| 12:45.08 | abrotman | Snadder: you never said if it was for services or products or anything like that, so i really can't help you pare it down more |
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| 12:45.27 | steven43126 | seriouslycgi: no it should just show iowait |
| 12:45.39 | steven43126 | for iostat use something like iostat -x 10 10 |
| 12:45.42 | steven43126 | see man iostat |
| 12:45.52 | remoteCTRL1 | nkuttler: 4gb seg fixup, process libc6.postrm (pid 30844), cs:ip 73:b7e12967 that good? :D |
| 12:46.31 | abrotman | Snadder: apt-cache search <terms> might help you |
| 12:46.57 | Snadder | abrotman, its for a small it-firm I own |
| 12:47.05 | abrotman | still not helping .. |
| 12:47.15 | abrotman | IT firms can do lots of things |
| 12:47.24 | abrotman | Snadder: apt-cache search invoice |
| 12:47.30 | Snadder | service or production.. whats the diffrence? |
| 12:47.40 | abrotman | or apt-cache search sales |
| 12:48.14 | abrotman | Snadder: if you're just selling products, it's much easier to track/produce invoices as opposed to tracking hours/quotes/time billed/etc |
| 12:48.41 | Snadder | abrotman, yeah.. I tried apt-cache search invoice.. found kraft |
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| 12:48.49 | pickcoder | Snadder: look at gnucash |
| 12:49.06 | pickcoder | it's not in the repo |
| 12:49.14 | abrotman | judd: versions gnucash |
| 12:49.15 | seriouslycgi | steven43126, %ni and %hi shoot up alternatively (%hi is high while downloading and %ni is high while reading the repo files) i ran apt-get update |
| 12:49.16 | judd | abrotman: gnucash -- etch: 2.0.5-1 etch-backports: 2.2.6-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.2.6-2 sid: 2.2.6-3 squeeze: 2.2.6-3 |
| 12:49.20 | abrotman | pickcoder: you sure? |
| 12:49.29 | pickcoder | I searched for it |
| 12:49.39 | pickcoder | wth |
| 12:49.49 | abrotman | pickcoder: how did you search? |
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| 12:49.58 | pickcoder | apt-cache search gnucash |
| 12:50.00 | pickcoder | it's there now |
| 12:50.11 | abrotman | gives pickcoder new spectacles |
| 12:50.13 | pickcoder | I _swear_ I just ran that same command |
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| 12:51.04 | pickcoder | part of the problem is I've been up for 4 hours and I'm rarely up until 2 hours from now |
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| 12:52.51 | esaym | is there the 2.6-29 or 28 kernel in the repos? |
| 12:53.16 | maligor | 29 is in sid |
| 12:53.17 | abrotman | esaym: not officially for lenny |
| 12:53.22 | mosno | is there an "undo" to sync-available? and no, i can't use {status,available}-old because they're too new |
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| 12:53.57 | mosno | basically i want my "dpkg -l FOO" to be nice and short again, ie. not "sync"d with apt |
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| 12:55.34 | abrotman | mosno: use grep |
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| 12:56.39 | esaym | maligor: what is the package name? |
| 12:56.47 | carl_ | hi guys, since the fglrx package currently in sid is broken and complains about the xorg version, is there a way to force apt to install it anyway, ignoring the bad dependancy check? |
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| 12:57.11 | mosno | abrotman: is there any way to fix the root cause? |
| 12:57.12 | abrotman | esaym: packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.29 |
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| 12:57.27 | abrotman | mosno: i think you already have IMO .. i'd rather have them synced |
| 12:58.14 | esaym | ty |
| 12:58.44 | mosno | abrotman: ok. answer me this, then: what is the original scope of the status/available? ie. i'm guessing it starts with purely the installed packages... but then on some queries you see the "un" type of entry... where do these come from if not from an "apt sync"? |
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| 12:59.07 | abrotman | mosno: i'd guess at one point you were using apt-get and then later switched to aptitude? |
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| 12:59.16 | mosno | abrotman: no, always using aptitude |
| 12:59.35 | Snadder | pickcoder, do you know where I can write invoices in gnucash? |
| 12:59.35 | mosno | abrotman: the sync-available is from dctrl-tools |
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| 13:00.22 | Snadder | pickcoder, I atleast have gnucash up and running :-) |
| 13:02.47 | abrotman | mosno: so what is now in your dpkg that oyu don't want? |
| 13:02.50 | remoteCTRL1 | what exactly happens if i want to upgrade an etch machine running xen to lenny? as far as i know lenny has no dom0 kernel for lenny, does it keep the 2.6.18 kernel then? |
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| 13:04.12 | caraconan | Hi. I'm discovering gpg. It is possible to send a signed (with gnupg) mail from command line without having to install thunderbird + enigmail? |
| 13:05.07 | mosno | abrotman: eg. "dpkg -l \*http\*" seems to contain all packages in my apt repos (eg around 70 "un" packages), whereas on another box where i never ran sync-available, there are only two "un" pacakges |
| 13:05.38 | abrotman | caraconan: mutt should be able to |
| 13:05.42 | mosno | abrotman: i'd like my status/available files back to their old "small" state, if possible |
| 13:06.11 | caraconan | <abrotman> al least the man page are very brief, does'nt talks about gpg |
| 13:06.11 | abrotman | mosno: you can check for the backups in /var/lib/dpkg/ .. i don't think any of the dpkg options will clear out your issue though |
| 13:06.20 | mosno | abrotman: yea they're hosed, as i mentioned |
| 13:06.25 | mosno | abrotman: ok |
| 13:06.29 | mosno | abrotman: thanks anyway |
| 13:06.36 | abrotman | caraconan: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=using+mutt+gpg&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= |
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| 13:06.51 | caraconan | http://codesorcery.net/old/mutt/mutt-gnupg-howto |
| 13:06.54 | caraconan | Thanks |
| 13:07.02 | abrotman | mosno: there are a few options to look at in the man page, but i'm not sure any will get you back to where you were |
| 13:07.37 | caraconan | Thanks. Bye |
| 13:07.54 | abrotman | mosno: --clear-avail .. maybe? |
| 13:08.00 | mosno | abrotman: cool. it's not so bad, considering i don't exactly know where i was to begin with :) |
| 13:08.16 | mosno | abrotman: ie. in terms of scope of these files at all stages of my system's life |
| 13:09.00 | abrotman | mosno: rigth .. the dpkg man page also mentions a way that maybe oyu could manually do it with a Packages file |
| 13:09.14 | mosno | abrotman: just trying your --clear-avail |
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| 13:10.58 | mosno | abrotman: cool, good to know, but i don't have a sane Packages file |
| 13:11.04 | mosno | to use as input, that is |
| 13:11.09 | abrotman | mosno: you could generate one i'd think |
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| 13:11.22 | abrotman | mosno: really depends how important this is obviously |
| 13:11.27 | mosno | abrotman: generate how? |
| 13:11.32 | mosno | abrotman: i'm all for learning about dpkg |
| 13:11.41 | Snadder | Can someone give me an example of an invoice.. maybe ive misunderstood what it really is. |
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| 13:12.09 | mosno | abrotman: --clear-avail did the trick |
| 13:12.16 | abrotman | mosno: i think the Packages file is pretty similar to the output from apt-cache show foo .. so i *think* you could use some magic shell script to generate one |
| 13:12.18 | mosno | abrotman: you're a guru :) |
| 13:12.25 | abrotman | mosno: oh good .. then you won't hve to try my hair-brained ideas :) |
| 13:12.38 | mosno | abrotman: aah yea |
| 13:13.03 | mosno | abrotman: i rather not resort to such hackery as i'd likely break my system in some subtle (or not so subtle) way |
| 13:13.15 | abrotman | mosno: but you'd learn :) |
| 13:13.18 | mosno | oooh yea |
| 13:15.46 | Snadder | http://www.gyuli.com/faktura.jpg <-- is this an invoice? |
| 13:16.10 | Snadder | or am I totally wrong? |
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| 13:16.50 | Snadder | I need a program to write those.. and gnucash didnt work as I expected |
| 13:18.01 | pickcoder | Snadder: if you don't know what an invoice is, why are you trying to generate one? |
| 13:18.19 | carl_ | hi guys, since the fglrx package currently in sid is broken and complains about the xorg version, is there a way to force apt to install it anyway, ignoring the bad dependancy check? |
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| 13:18.34 | module000 | carl_: force it? |
| 13:18.42 | pickcoder | and please don't say that you're setting up software for a company |
| 13:18.45 | carl_ | ie, tell it to ignore the depencacy |
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| 13:19.44 | Snadder | pickcoder, its my own company |
| 13:19.44 | zibri | Snadder: faktura == invoice, yes |
| 13:20.04 | Snadder | zibri, thanks |
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| 13:21.26 | carl_ | module000: -f doesn't help, if thats what your saying |
| 13:21.27 | Snadder | When I searched for invoice on google I didnt get a single standar invoice up |
| 13:21.35 | module000 | carl_: -f doesn't stand for force |
| 13:21.45 | module000 | carl_: someone didn't read the man page before they started trying arguments :P |
| 13:21.46 | Snadder | *When I checked the invoice pictures* |
| 13:21.53 | carl_ | module000: oh? |
| 13:22.02 | pickcoder | Snadder: how can gnucash not do what you want? It's a full-blown double-entry accounting package |
| 13:22.24 | pickcoder | do you just want an OO.org doc to print over and over? |
| 13:22.29 | Snadder | pickcoder, Then I guess I just dont know where to begin |
| 13:22.38 | pickcoder | like I said before.... |
| 13:22.43 | module000 | carl_: use -d to DOWNLOAD the package...then you can force with nodeps using dpkg |
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| 13:23.28 | carl_ | module000: apt wont download the packages due to dep, and if i download then manually and use dpkg -i it still fails?! |
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| 13:23.59 | module000 | carl_: dpkg -i --ignore-depends=<yourpkghere>; next time *read* the man page |
| 13:24.27 | Snadder | pickcoder, gnucash is too complicated.. I dont know where I can generate an pdf for printing |
| 13:24.33 | stew | carl_: doing what he suggests will get it installed, but it will complain every time you do anything else with dpkg/apt-get/aptitude |
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| 13:24.52 | pickcoder | Snadder: i'm sure OO.org has a standard invoice document template |
| 13:24.55 | stew | carl_: you need to somehow satisfy the dependencies |
| 13:25.07 | pickcoder | if you don't want to manage anything and just print docs then there's your solution |
| 13:25.30 | carl_ | stew: they are satisfied, ie xorg is at 1:7.4, seems that package is broken |
| 13:25.49 | pickcoder | an invoice is just a bill of sale with information columns specific to the industry |
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| 13:26.12 | pickcoder | it's also used for payment request |
| 13:26.16 | pickcoder | depending on terms |
| 13:26.33 | pickcoder | but this isn't #accounting |
| 13:26.52 | carl_ | hmm, thats gives me xserver-xorg-core conflicts with xserver-xorg-video-2 |
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| 13:27.41 | stew | carl_: if the depends are satisfied, I'm not sure why you'd be asking to ignore a dependency check |
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| 13:28.33 | carl_ | stew: since the package seems broken, ie, i have xorg 1:7.4 and it needs >=1:7.1 |
| 13:28.57 | stew | carl_: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin ; /msg dpkg bat |
| 13:29.42 | carl_ | stew: http://paste2.org/p/187785 |
| 13:29.52 | maxos | I'm trying to set up some bluetooth hardware but everytime i set it up with kinputwizard it gives me the message: "Failed to create the input device for ___". Could anyone help with this? |
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| 13:30.20 | carl_ | and: ii xserver-xorg 1:7.4+1 the X.Org X server |
| 13:30.43 | stew | carl_: show us the output of "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg" |
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| 13:31.09 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 13:31.17 | carl_ | stew: http://paste2.org/p/187786 |
| 13:31.35 | edwin_quijada | I am trying to install freepascal compiler en my etch and I dont find it |
| 13:31.51 | edwin_quijada | where is this repo? |
| 13:32.04 | stew | carl_: do you currently have broken packages? ("aptitude search '~b'" would tell you) |
| 13:32.35 | carl_ | stew: iBA xserver-xorg-core - Xorg X server - core server |
| 13:32.59 | maxos | I'm trying to set up some bluetooth hardware but everytime i set it up with kinputwizard it gives me the message: "Failed to create the input device for ___". I get this message with 2 SEPARATE pieces of hardware. Could anyone help with this? |
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| 13:34.30 | stew | carl_: right, so you should probably fix that first |
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| 13:34.47 | carl_ | stew: ok, how would i go about that? dl and install manually? |
| 13:35.11 | stew | carl_: figure out why it is broken |
| 13:35.18 | edwin_quijada | somebody knows where I can find this compiler |
| 13:35.21 | edwin_quijada | fp-compiler? |
| 13:35.23 | stew | carl_: see if the version you have installed is the current one |
| 13:35.41 | carl_ | apt claims it is |
| 13:36.22 | carl_ | let me try to grap the deb and install it |
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| 13:36.44 | carl_ | ok, i did a new install, and apt still claims that its broken |
| 13:36.57 | stew | carl_: why is it broken? |
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| 13:37.06 | carl_ | dono, how do i check? |
| 13:37.08 | vy | Hi! Does anybody have an idea about this localhost connection error: http://rafb.net/p/A2VTnG88.html |
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| 13:37.48 | stew | carl_: i'd expect that apt would have told you |
| 13:37.57 | stew | carl_: some dependency must not be satisfied |
| 13:38.07 | _boo_ | what's better "install/remove programs" proggy? |
| 13:38.16 | _boo_ | or is it called package manager |
| 13:38.23 | stew | aptitude? |
| 13:38.29 | _boo_ | noo |
| 13:38.33 | carl_ | iB xserver-xorg-core - Xorg X server - core server |
| 13:38.37 | _boo_ | there's one in gnome |
| 13:38.42 | vy | Nevermind. |
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| 13:38.45 | carl_ | stew: thats the output from aptitude search '~b' |
| 13:38.49 | _boo_ | called "install/remove programs" |
| 13:38.56 | stew | carl_: yes, you need to fix it |
| 13:38.58 | _boo_ | what's better replacement for it? |
| 13:39.01 | _boo_ | like in mandriva |
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| 13:39.04 | stew | _boo_: aptitude |
| 13:39.08 | carl_ | stew: how do i know whats wrong with it? |
| 13:39.21 | stew | carl_: its dependencies aren't satisfied |
| 13:39.24 | apparmor | simple question, why thr is no ethX in /dev ? |
| 13:39.26 | _boo_ | stew, isn't apt-get = aptitude? |
| 13:39.33 | stew | _boo_: no |
| 13:39.40 | _boo_ | thanks |
| 13:39.49 | _boo_ | gonna try after i dl these torrents :) |
| 13:40.09 | carl_ | stew: but it installs without a problem? |
| 13:40.17 | stew | carl_: no, it doesn't |
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| 13:41.27 | carl_ | stew: sorry, i dont follow |
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| 13:42.56 | stew | carl_: if its broken, it clearly didn't install without a problem |
| 13:43.36 | carl_ | http://paste2.org/p/187794 |
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| 13:43.44 | carl_ | stew: thats what i get |
| 13:44.07 | stew | carl_: is it currently broken? have you tried "aptitude -f install"? |
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| 13:45.33 | carl_ | stew: it looks like it will solve the problem, on the other hand it wants to remove 50ish packages that it claims i dont need, but i feel that is not correct?! |
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| 13:46.26 | stew | carl_: what is an example of a package it wants to remove that you don't think it should remove? |
| 13:46.52 | carl_ | http://paste2.org/p/187797 |
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| 13:48.16 | stew | carl_: there is why it is broken: xserver-xorg-core: Conflicts: xserver-xorg-video-2 which is a virtual package. |
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| 13:49.12 | carl_ | stew: ok, how do i solve that? |
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| 13:51.36 | carl_ | stew: and should i let it remove all those packages? |
| 13:52.49 | stew | carl_: they are being remvoed becuase they are marked as auto-installed and no longer needed by any manually installed packages |
| 13:53.25 | carl_ | ok, can i mark them all as manual some how? |
| 13:53.27 | edwin_quijada | there is no repository in debian for fp-compiler? |
| 13:53.35 | edwin_quijada | it was removed?? |
| 13:53.50 | stew | carl_: of course |
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| 13:55.13 | abrotman | edwin_quijada: free pascal? |
| 13:55.44 | adb | edwin_quijada: it is in sid |
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| 13:59.39 | carl_ | stew: aptitude unmarkauto '~i' wants to remove them?! |
| 14:00.15 | stew | carl_: you want to mark EVERY package as manual? why? |
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| 14:00.38 | _infinit1 | hello what is the debain equivalent for the "scsi_info" command? |
| 14:00.52 | jelly | _infinit1: what is it supposed to do? |
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| 14:01.07 | _infinit1 | give information and configure scsi devices |
| 14:01.16 | carl_ | stew: i want to keep the packages that i explicitly didn't uninstall, sure, its ok to remove libs, but having it remove a bunch of tools just means that i will have to install them again at a later date?! |
| 14:01.24 | abrotman | _infinit1: lsscsi? |
| 14:01.45 | _infinit1 | ty |
| 14:02.07 | abrotman | wonders why there is a japanese scsi_info manpage .. and nothing else |
| 14:02.16 | jelly | _infinit1: sginfo (and lots of others) from sg3-utils, probably |
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| 14:03.28 | _infinit1 | jelly: thank you very much |
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| 14:03.57 | abrotman | _infinit1: which OS has scsi_info? |
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| 14:04.06 | _infinit1 | fedora |
| 14:04.10 | jelly | I used scsiinfo (no _) on Solaris |
| 14:04.27 | abrotman | jelly: i remember that one .. but not the _ one |
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| 14:04.45 | abrotman | maybe they aliased it for old dudes :) |
| 14:04.52 | edwin_quijada | abrotman: yes , freepasal |
| 14:05.16 | abrotman | edwin_quijada: adb gave you the answer .. it's in sid, not squeeze or lenny |
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| 14:05.32 | edwin_quijada | adb? |
| 14:05.32 | jelly | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Jun 3 2008 /usr/sbin/scsi_info -> /opt/hp/hp_fibreutils/scsi_info.26 |
| 14:05.48 | jelly | that's RHEL ^^ |
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| 14:06.10 | jelly | and the package is obviously not even redhat's, but the hw vendor provided one |
| 14:06.40 | jelly | (the vendor being HP, this package is probably available for debian as well) |
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| 14:07.01 | abrotman | cute |
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| 14:07.19 | ajavid | :)gooda morning |
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| 14:08.02 | carl_ | stew: i let it run, still cant install fglrx |
| 14:08.23 | stew | carl_: did you solve the xserver-xorg-core conflict? |
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| 14:08.36 | carl_ | stew: yes |
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| 14:09.04 | ajavid | jelly, my parts arrive today, 8gb ram, quad core, mobo, etc. Planned a sid deployment, kde3.5, amd64 |
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| 14:09.08 | ajavid | :D |
| 14:09.10 | carl_ | apt still complains about the version, and dpkg still complains about xserver-xorg-core conflicts with xserver-xorg-video-2 |
| 14:09.36 | stew | dstar_: how did you solve the xserver-xorg-core conflict ? |
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| 14:09.43 | stew | carl_: ^^^ |
| 14:09.46 | stew | dstar_: not you, sorry |
| 14:09.48 | jelly | ajavid: yay toys |
| 14:09.52 | carl_ | stew: aptitude did |
| 14:09.56 | stew | carl_: how? |
| 14:09.57 | dstar_ | stew: heh |
| 14:10.00 | ajavid | I am wondering how exactly is usable hdd size is calculated? |
| 14:10.11 | abrotman | abacus |
| 14:10.13 | ajavid | like.. I ordered a 1tb drive, gonna be here today, how much usable space do i get? |
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| 14:10.28 | jelly | 0.90 * vendor_fudge_factor |
| 14:10.30 | ajavid | like 900gb? or something |
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| 14:10.39 | carl_ | http://paste2.org/p/187808 |
| 14:10.50 | ajavid | hmm |
| 14:11.56 | ajavid | jelly, vender fudge? whats that? (I got a western digital black) |
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| 14:12.01 | zinx | ajavid: 931GB at most |
| 14:12.05 | dstar_ | Does anyone know where grub's menu.lst is documented? My ubuntu system uses 'uuid <uuid>' instead of ' root(x,y)', but I can't find that documented anywhere, so I want to make sure it's not something ubuntu-specific before I try it on my debian server.... |
| 14:12.08 | ajavid | zinx, ahh thanks |
| 14:12.19 | ajavid | I kno won a 500gb drive I got about 460gb usable |
| 14:12.21 | jelly | ajavid: it comes in vanilla and chocolate flavors |
| 14:12.27 | ajavid | about 460+ |
| 14:12.27 | stew | dstar_: its not ubuntu specific, see /msg dpkg uuid |
| 14:12.38 | zinx | ajavid: "500GB" is 465GB at most |
| 14:12.42 | ajavid | jelly, seriously... be serious) |
| 14:12.50 | ajavid | zinx, yup, sounds about right |
| 14:13.01 | boch | what is the size of a minimum debian installation ? |
| 14:13.04 | jelly | ajavid: with you asking an offtopic question? Nevar! |
| 14:13.09 | ajavid | boch, /msg dpkg mmhr |
| 14:13.14 | ajavid | boch, usually 300+ mb |
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| 14:13.38 | boch | okey thanks ajavid |
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| 14:13.41 | ajavid | yup |
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| 14:13.55 | ajavid | jelly, oh i didn't realize, my bad dude |
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| 14:14.00 | jelly | ajavid: 1TB drive means the native size will be at least 1,000,000,000,000 bytes (and not much more); Additional lossage depends on what you and the OS plan to do with it. |
| 14:14.14 | justin | dpkg: 500*1000*1024/1024/1024 |
| 14:14.14 | dpkg | 488.28125 |
| 14:14.24 | justin | er |
| 14:14.27 | justin | dpkg: 500*1000*1000/1024/1024 |
| 14:14.27 | dpkg | 476.837158203125 |
| 14:14.36 | zinx | try again |
| 14:14.40 | ajavid | heh |
| 14:14.46 | zinx | 2**10 is megabytes :P |
| 14:14.55 | jelly | dpkg: 2^30 |
| 14:14.56 | dpkg | 28 |
| 14:14.57 | zinx | erh 2**20 |
| 14:14.57 | justin | ah, it's early :) |
| 14:15.00 | jelly | dpkg: 2**30 |
| 14:15.00 | dpkg | 1073741824 |
| 14:15.08 | jelly | dpkg: you rule |
| 14:15.08 | dpkg | aw, gee, jelly |
| 14:15.09 | justin | dpkg: 500*1000*1000*1024/1024/1024/1024 |
| 14:15.09 | dpkg | 476.837158203125 |
| 14:15.11 | justin | there :) |
| 14:15.19 | justin | ah, i give up |
| 14:15.22 | zinx | hehe |
| 14:15.39 | justin | my brain thinks 1000, my fingers type 1024 |
| 14:15.39 | stew | dpkg: convert 1 terabyte to tebibytes |
| 14:15.40 | dpkg | 1 terabyte is approximately 0.909495 tebibytes |
| 14:15.46 | valdyn | dpkg: 10**3 |
| 14:15.46 | dpkg | 1000 |
| 14:15.52 | jelly | !WIN stew |
| 14:15.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 14:16.24 | ajavid | yup I had guessed correctly or so |
| 14:16.28 | cptblood | first prize went to miss piggy |
| 14:16.29 | ajavid | 900~ish gb |
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| 14:16.37 | zinx | nop |
| 14:16.42 | jelly | dpkg: convert 1 terabyte to gibibytes |
| 14:16.43 | dpkg | 1 terabyte is approximately 931.323 gibibytes |
| 14:16.45 | zinx | dpkg: convert 1 terabyte to mebibytes |
| 14:16.46 | dpkg | 1 terabyte is approximately 953674 mebibytes |
| 14:16.49 | zinx | oops, yeah |
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| 14:17.21 | abrotman | oh come on .. by the time you fill that, they'll be selling 5TB drives :) |
| 14:17.21 | dstar_ | stew: I know the kernel can use it (root=UUID=<foo>), it's using 'uuid <foo>' to set _grub's_ root.... |
| 14:17.29 | ajavid | I remember the first time I found out that a 500gb drive isn't really 500gb |
| 14:17.32 | ajavid | boy was I pissed |
| 14:17.49 | cptblood | heh, u never noticed with any other disks? |
| 14:17.56 | ajavid | nah, never really cared |
| 14:18.09 | zinx | at least CD makers measure right |
| 14:18.10 | stew | dstar_: ahh, i haven't seen that before. you could test interactively from a grub prompt at boot |
| 14:18.23 | jelly | ajavid: your partition style and or filesystem of choice will further reduce the usable space; additionally, using >85-95% of it will reduce performance, so the point where "usable" stops depends. Therefore the fudge factor. |
| 14:18.24 | cptblood | mm, dvd doesnt tho |
| 14:18.27 | zinx | yeah :( |
| 14:18.31 | ajavid | jelly, ext3 |
| 14:18.37 | Kazuha | I've got a mystery problem, videos all of a sudden won't play, nothing was upgraded just before this. Totem tries to play the videos at an incredibly slow framerate, xine freezes. However, if I log in as another user, this is not the case. Which confile has gone berserk? |
| 14:18.43 | ajavid | or 4 I don't know yet, but more than likely ext3 |
| 14:18.46 | Vorbote | ajavid, in fact it is 500 GB, but you were expecting 500 GiB expecially if you have a mathematical/CS background.... |
| 14:18.55 | dstar_ | stew: hmm... good point. I forgot you can do that with grub (I'm in the process of converting from lilo to grub...) |
| 14:19.04 | ajavid | not really, my bachelors was in music and CIS, not CS |
| 14:19.13 | ajavid | my post grad is also MIS not MS |
| 14:19.16 | ajavid | or whatever |
| 14:19.38 | ajavid | but yeh, math was a long time ago anyway offtopic |
| 14:19.42 | ajavid | i go tmy answerss, thank you guys |
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| 14:20.21 | _boo_ | math is always offtopic, but you can't draw a hedgehog without it |
| 14:20.29 | jelly | ow |
| 14:20.32 | ajavid | heh |
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| 14:21.02 | plq | is there a reason why dir_index is not enabled by default in ext3/4 ? |
| 14:21.04 | Vorbote | ajavid, then you are old enough to remeber when a byte was a byte :-) Unfortunately, HD vendors corrupted the measurement units very early on and to restore them to their proper values the SI has to invent the "i*i" measure units. |
| 14:21.13 | jelly | plq: it is, from lenny onwards. |
| 14:21.18 | Vorbote | s/has/had/ |
| 14:21.20 | eptalon | is this a known problem: going to suspend to disk breaks sound (alsa, sid/experimental)? |
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| 14:21.28 | ajavid | Vorbote, yup, that I was unaware of until a few years ago when I bought my 250gb and 500gb drives |
| 14:21.36 | plq | jelly, oh ok thanks |
| 14:21.52 | azeem | anybody know whether it is possible to relay SMTP to a non-standard port? |
| 14:21.52 | ajavid | eptalon, check the bug tracker |
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| 14:21.53 | plq | jelly, any reason why it was not before ? not tested enough ? |
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| 14:22.00 | jelly | plq: /etc/mke2fs.conf |
| 14:22.06 | Vorbote | ajavid, what really irks me is the inconsistency in measure unit use in the debian-installer (there, back on topic). |
| 14:22.13 | plq | jelly, thanks |
| 14:22.13 | valdyn | plq: i think its on by default in debian |
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| 14:22.30 | ajavid | Vorbote, I'm no aware of such an inconsistency in the installer |
| 14:22.36 | ajavid | Vorbote, what are you talking about? |
| 14:22.42 | valdyn | plq: indeed it is.. |
| 14:22.53 | jelly | plq: I'm not sure about the version in etch, so I can't comment on it being enabled by default. |
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| 14:23.03 | valdyn | probably not yet in etch |
| 14:23.19 | valdyn | but it didnt even exist when etch froze, i guess |
| 14:23.24 | stew | azeem: it is with postfix at least |
| 14:23.29 | plq | maybe i'll look at commit logs |
| 14:23.29 | eptalon | ajavid: whats the s2disk package called? |
| 14:23.40 | ajavid | uhm... what? |
| 14:23.40 | jelly | valdyn: it sure did. Debian always has newest e2fsprogs anyway |
| 14:23.49 | abrotman | eptalon: dpkg -S bin/s2disk |
| 14:24.07 | valdyn | jelly: not sure, its not that old |
| 14:24.13 | jelly | valdyn: yes it is. |
| 14:24.20 | Vorbote | ajavid, The partition manager allows you to create partitions in GBs but they are reported in the partioner editor as GiBs |
| 14:24.29 | rudi_s | I'm trying to hibernate-disk but after displaying "s2disk: Snapshoting System" it goes back to my system. How can I find out where the problem is? Thanks. |
| 14:24.44 | Vorbote | ajavid, but you can't create partitions in GiBs |
| 14:24.45 | ajavid | Vorbote, uhuh... I fail to see your point |
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| 14:24.58 | ajavid | hmm, I don't remember or have never noticed that |
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| 14:25.04 | ajavid | I will today |
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| 14:25.45 | jelly | e2fsprogs (1.39-1) * New filesystems are now created with directory indexing and on-line resizing enabled by default |
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| 14:25.54 | jelly | judd: versions e2fsprogs |
| 14:25.57 | judd | jelly: e2fsprogs -- etch: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1 etch-security: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1 lenny: 1.41.3-1 sid: 1.41.3-1 squeeze: 1.41.3-1 |
| 14:26.10 | Vorbote | ajavid, perhaps you don't slice and dice disks as frequently as I do... :-) It can become irritating after a while. |
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| 14:26.14 | eptalon | 508470 comes close. |
| 14:26.29 | ajavid | hey guys |
| 14:26.34 | ajavid | what is extent support in ext4? |
| 14:26.46 | jelly | !ext4 |
| 14:26.46 | dpkg | well, ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. |
| 14:26.52 | ajavid | Vorbote, I have not even used debian in like fuckin months dude |
| 14:27.00 | valdyn | ajavid: to faster deal with huge files |
| 14:27.04 | jelly | no links, huh |
| 14:27.06 | ajavid | valdyn, i see |
| 14:27.26 | valdyn | ajavid: simple deleting a 10G file on ext3 takes forever... |
| 14:27.35 | valdyn | ajavid: well, i few seconds to a minute maybe |
| 14:27.38 | chfwiggum | !ntfs |
| 14:27.38 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs is Windows NT File System. There are 3 main drivers in Debian: the Linux kernel driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ , http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html , http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
| 14:27.42 | jelly | (where forever ~ minutes) |
| 14:27.47 | ajavid | heh |
| 14:27.51 | valdyn | yea |
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| 14:28.12 | ajavid | I still see people formatting 1.5 or 2tb drives with ntfs |
| 14:28.14 | ajavid | pains me |
| 14:28.22 | jelly | deleting 300-500GB is a long coffee and sandwich |
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| 14:28.28 | eptalon | abrotman: do you think its worth reporting? |
| 14:28.29 | valdyn | im not sure ntfs is bad really |
| 14:28.45 | eptalon | valdyn: bad in what sense? |
| 14:28.46 | jelly | ajavid: ntfs at least has decent deletion times |
| 14:28.53 | ajavid | at least that |
| 14:29.00 | valdyn | eptalon: any, except that its non-free, which it sure is |
| 14:29.01 | abrotman | eptalon: ? |
| 14:29.06 | ajavid | eptalon, yes it is, please report |
| 14:29.20 | eptalon | ajavid: ok. |
| 14:29.25 | ajavid | eptalon, otherwise do not use sid :) |
| 14:29.32 | ajavid | thanks |
| 14:29.40 | eptalon | ajavid: I know about sid, dont tell me. :) |
| 14:29.40 | jelly | ajavid: but you need a windows license to fsck it |
| 14:29.41 | abrotman | eptalon: oh, i didn't see your problem .. i was just telling you how to find the package :) |
| 14:30.30 | eptalon | abrotman: I have a problem very close to 508470, except that it is a desktop machine running sid, and an usb headset as soundcard. |
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| 14:30.51 | ajavid | !dbugs #508470 |
| 14:30.55 | dpkg | #508470:M[uswsusp] alsa-base: Yamaha OPL3 driver does not resume properly after hibernate (); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:12:02 UTC [] |
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| 14:31.05 | ajavid | word |
| 14:31.20 | samael | hello |
| 14:31.26 | eptalon | still rpeort? |
| 14:31.29 | jelly | heh. "I have a problem just like foo, except with significant point differing" |
| 14:31.38 | valdyn | eptalon: the usb headset is not suspending properly? thats weird |
| 14:31.41 | ajavid | heh.. just report it |
| 14:31.53 | ajavid | samael, yo |
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| 14:31.58 | valdyn | eptalon: should be your usb controller that sucks |
| 14:32.05 | eptalon | jelly: I have something like a green apple here, except its red and not an apple... |
| 14:32.07 | ajavid | alright folks |
| 14:32.07 | samael | how to discover to which repository an installed .deb belongs? |
| 14:32.09 | valdyn | eptalon: i mean, you should try if it resumes different devices properly |
| 14:32.31 | ajavid | after 7 years I can finally say, my mom cooked breakfast, I gotta go! (havn't been home in a 7 years) bye bye |
| 14:32.32 | eptalon | valdyn: Connected to an external usb hub. |
| 14:32.35 | ajavid | *afk* |
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| 14:33.13 | abrotman | !tell samael about which repo |
| 14:33.14 | valdyn | eptalon: i think the common thing everyone does for alot of usb stuff is to remove drivers on suspend |
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| 14:33.38 | valdyn | eptalon: that defenitely was the way to go few years ago, i'm not really up to date on usb suspend stuff |
| 14:33.45 | dacs | howdy folks |
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| 14:33.54 | jelly | teehee. Coworker installed Ubuntu, and is now unable to find any machines in the .iskon.local Windows domain. |
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| 14:34.38 | samael | thanks abrotman :) |
| 14:34.39 | dacs | can someone please refresh my memory, is there is a command/script that i can use to genrate random name/nicks |
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| 14:34.54 | abrotman | dacs: in irssi |
| 14:35.04 | dacs | abrotman: no at the shell |
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| 14:35.48 | abrotman | dacs: you could use otp .. maybe? |
| 14:35.49 | dacs | abrotman: i read it some were in a book, and it was used to pickup the name of that language! |
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| 14:36.36 | dacs | abrotman: i think it was used for prel |
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| 14:37.06 | Kazuha | Something weird, I tried just moving the entire contents of my home directory, then I moved them all back, and oddly, totem works now. Despite not working previously. And I did try restarting X multiple times. |
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| 14:37.47 | valdyn | dacs: write it yourself |
| 14:37.52 | valdyn | dacs: short shell script |
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| 14:38.29 | eroticon | hi |
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| 14:39.35 | eroticon | folks |
| 14:39.40 | dacs | valdyn: i know, but it was a single line cmd. that for example if you have (P, R, E and L) you will use that cmd and it will generates a list of possible names...or something from that sourt |
| 14:39.42 | eroticon | is it possible to downgrade from gcc 4.2.4 to 4.2.3? |
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| 14:40.09 | Kazuha | I take it you want to compile something that must be compiled with 4.2.3? |
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| 14:40.37 | abrotman | eroticon: you could try, but it's probably not a good idea |
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| 14:41.37 | Kazuha | (Just link the 4.2.3 binary to gcc in the appropriate directory -- (I'm guessing that you want it for a binary blob video driver.) |
| 14:42.13 | Kazuha | Since, IIRC, gcc is just a symlink that points to gcc-(latest_version) |
| 14:42.20 | abrotman | really not a good plan either |
| 14:42.57 | Kazuha | Binary blob video drivers that insist on being compiled with the same version of compiler as the kernel. -.- |
| 14:42.57 | jelly | eroticon: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:43.32 | valdyn | Kazuha: the do that by default, but it can be switched off |
| 14:43.35 | eroticon | jelly: vmware complains |
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| 14:43.48 | valdyn | Kazuha: though its a good idea to follow that default rather than switching it off |
| 14:44.01 | jelly | eroticon: it should work, though |
| 14:44.24 | jelly | eroticon: if it's just a warning, but the build succeeds, ignore it. |
| 14:44.36 | Kazuha | concurs with jelly there. |
| 14:44.41 | eroticon | jelly: I have installed a new kernel on this box, while vmplayer was working, i apt-get remove this new kernel and now vmplayer does not work |
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| 14:44.44 | valdyn | Kazuha: CC=gcc-4.whatever nvidia.sh |
| 14:44.47 | eroticon | teh virtual machine crashes at start. |
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| 14:45.23 | Kazuha | That sounds like a different issue. Just a guess. |
| 14:45.25 | jelly | eroticon: just rebuild the vmware modules the normal way they are rebuilt (rerun vmware-config.pl? I don't remember) |
| 14:45.37 | eroticon | done dat |
| 14:45.44 | jelly | did it succeed? |
| 14:46.05 | eroticon | yeah but the machine crashes at start. |
| 14:46.07 | eroticon | vmplayer crashes actually |
| 14:46.09 | eroticon | it core dumps |
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| 14:47.07 | b|ister | hi, how to install xxx.bundle file in debian??? thanks |
| 14:47.09 | jelly | eroticon: oh well, you might have stumbled onto an actual issue |
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| 14:56.21 | khaleel5000 | hello, how can i check health of my HP laptop's battery health in lenny |
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| 14:58.45 | amphi | can't think of any reasons to use fedora |
| 14:58.53 | jetscreamer | khaleel5000: i know nothing, but apt-cache search battery returns a lot |
| 14:58.57 | jetscreamer | !battery |
| 14:58.57 | dpkg | 's batteries fizzle out |
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| 14:59.01 | jetscreamer | oh well |
| 14:59.14 | chfwiggum | momo__: there r none |
| 14:59.14 | jetscreamer | !why debian |
| 14:59.14 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 14:59.19 | stew | khaleel5000: have a look at /proc/acpi/battery? |
| 14:59.49 | Kazuha | This makes no sense. None, zero, zip, nada. |
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| 15:00.28 | themill | stew: I'm guessing that khaleel5000 is asking about battery deterioration here; health != state. |
| 15:00.30 | khaleel5000 | in /proc there are only 2 things with a aconnect acpi_listen |
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| 15:00.34 | syockit | any aptitude power users out there? how do I start aptitude with flat package list instead of listing by categories? |
| 15:00.41 | jetscreamer | yeah i was thinking that too themill |
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| 15:01.10 | themill | (and I'd love to know the answer to that too, as I think my laptop battery is absolutely screwed atm) |
| 15:01.17 | Kazuha | Totem wasn't working, xine would freeze up, this developed suddenly -- and without any cause that I know of. (Nothing had been recently upgraded, etc). |
| 15:01.28 | jetscreamer | i know for a fact mine is, but that's not important |
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| 15:01.38 | fredoslack | Hello |
| 15:01.39 | Kazuha | I checked on another user account and totem worked fine. |
| 15:01.47 | khaleel5000 | yes,I am concerned that my laptop battery is also screwed, on battery, 6cell, just net, it gives me 1hr 40 min |
| 15:01.49 | jair | if I need to add bigger size of swap memory to my debian server will be the same to add another swap partition or should I unmount the current one and then create a bigger on and mount it back to fstab? |
| 15:01.50 | fredoslack | Can I expose a problem ? |
| 15:01.52 | zoggy | anyone using apt-cache-ng? |
| 15:01.56 | khaleel5000 | no wifi,bluethooth etc |
| 15:01.58 | Kazuha | So I tried moving everything out of ~/ |
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| 15:02.07 | Kazuha | And that fixed totem. |
| 15:02.18 | jetscreamer | you can move stuff in ~/something, Kazuha ... .xine .gnome-totem or whatever... |
| 15:02.18 | eptalon | ok. reported |
| 15:02.21 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 15:02.23 | Kazuha | Then I moved everything *back* and it still worked. |
| 15:02.31 | rudi_s | syockit: Have a look at Default-Grouping. Emptying it produces a flat list. |
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| 15:03.03 | eptalon | fredoslack: probably |
| 15:03.04 | themill | jetscreamer: brand new, I could get 3.5 to 4h on this laptop... 2 years later, I'm getting 20-30min. I'm voting for screwed ;( |
| 15:03.29 | eptalon | themill: typical case of: new battewy? |
| 15:03.30 | jetscreamer | themill: mine does like 5 minutes if i'm lucky |
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| 15:03.42 | jetscreamer | 's laptop is on a shelf |
| 15:03.44 | stew | themill: /proc/acpi will tell you how close to the design capacity the last full charge was |
| 15:04.06 | themill | stew: interesting.... can't see anything like that here |
| 15:04.16 | Kazuha | can't understand why it worked to move everything out and back. |
| 15:04.33 | shootm3h | hi chaps, i upgraded to sid to try out the newer patches on the nvidia drivers. now however if i try to install the nvidia driver in synaptic it tries to remove X, and apt-get simply states that it cannot be installed |
| 15:04.35 | eptalon | Kazuha: why should't it? |
| 15:04.41 | stew | themill: i get: design capacity: 84240 mWh last full capacity: 73490 mWh |
| 15:04.46 | fredoslack | Ok: I want to install Nvidia module, with a kernel 2.6.29, and I've got this error in /var/log/nvidia-installer.log: nvidia: version magic '2.6.29.1-smp SMP mod_unload 686 ' should be '2.6.29.1 |
| 15:04.46 | fredoslack | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.15 | fredoslack | I thinks it's a problem with the 2.6.29 |
| 15:05.16 | khaleel5000 | Battery 0: Charging, 76%, rate information unavailable, design capacity 4400 mAh |
| 15:05.24 | Kazuha | Because I determined that the cause was in a confile. Therefore, if I return the confile to where it was (~/), it would return to the previous behavior. |
| 15:05.30 | shootm3h | is there a better howto on upgrading from lenny or squeeze to sid, i'm sure that's gotta be the problem, i didn't like the how-to i was following .... on google cache cos it was gone too... but can not find another except woody information :P |
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| 15:06.04 | themill | stew: ahh... poking in wrong place.... I see in /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info: design capacity: 7800 mAh; last full capacity: 5047 mAh. Thanks for that... ;) Not that 20min/240min = 5047mAh/7800mAh though ;( |
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| 15:06.25 | stew | that's not a capacity! |
| 15:06.25 | halflife08 | shootm3h: what are the steps you followed |
| 15:06.45 | eptalon | shootm3h: basically edit sources.list, apt-get update; dist-upgrade |
| 15:06.53 | themill | stew: it is if you believe that the voltage is fixed... |
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| 15:07.03 | stew | themill: right |
| 15:07.08 | dstar_ | Should I use grub or grub2? |
| 15:07.23 | eptalon | dstar_: I havent seen grub2 work yet. |
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| 15:07.28 | shootm3h | halflife08, http://tinyurl.com/caw9m8 . |
| 15:07.33 | Kazuha | Although not *all* of the directories returned upon moving them back -- .config, .dbus, .gconf, .gconfd, .gnome2, .gstreamer-0.10, .nautilus, .pulse, and .uim.d -- but I still can't see how any of those could have been the cause. |
| 15:07.45 | EmleyMoor | dstar_: grub recommended unless you have reason for grub2 |
| 15:08.00 | syockit | rudi_s: ok, found the option. thanks! |
| 15:08.14 | rudi_s | syockit: np. |
| 15:08.41 | shootm3h | eptalon, so install squeeze, edit sources.list ad in a line for SID (leaving everything else along) then run those two commands |
| 15:09.20 | dstar_ | EmleyMoor: thanks -- it's a bit odd that grub is referred to as 'grub legacy', then.... |
| 15:09.27 | shootm3h | eptalon, i was hoping update manager would do the dist-update for me . ... . . but i'll try it that way |
| 15:09.53 | eptalon | shootm3h: that is the most simple case. |
| 15:09.57 | halflife08 | shootm3h: the url didn't work. please use pastebin |
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| 15:10.11 | EmleyMoor | dstar_: I have grub2 on one of my systems - it seems to be more prone to going wrong |
| 15:10.12 | eptalon | shootm3h: depending on what you have, things may break. |
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| 15:11.18 | shootm3h | halflife08, http://pastebin.com/m4de0224a |
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| 15:11.45 | shootm3h | eptalon, sure i can wipe it clean and start again, i want the simplist cleanist upgrade possible without breakin anything that aint broken in SID already ;p |
| 15:12.33 | eptalon | shootm3h: so you go yand write sid, wherever you wrote etch or woody, and remember there are no sec upgrades. |
| 15:12.50 | eptalon | shootm3h: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 15:12.54 | eptalon | shootm3h: done. |
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| 15:13.17 | abrotman | you should be using aptitude for that |
| 15:13.18 | eptalon | shootm3h: note, it will not upgrade kernel automagically. |
| 15:13.30 | shootm3h | eptalon, oh i c. i want to overwrite squeeze entry in sources.list with sid. ? not have them both. oh thanks for that about the kernel |
| 15:13.32 | abrotman | eptalon: it will if you have the metapackage installed |
| 15:13.38 | eptalon | shootm3h: use aptitude. |
| 15:13.46 | abrotman | shootm3h: if you don't know how to get to sid, you really shouldn't be doing it |
| 15:13.53 | shootm3h | eptalon, i hate that thing. |
| 15:14.20 | themill | sings the IYHTAYS song |
| 15:14.22 | shootm3h | abrotman, unless you wanna follow woody docs, i'm just tryin to do it cleanly, and there are no how toos. even the release information for squeeze isn't available on the debian site :) |
| 15:14.23 | abrotman | shootm3h: use aptitude |
| 15:14.36 | eptalon | shootm3h: and what abrotman says is true: sid has a lot more issues (and a lot less support) than the other varieties. |
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| 15:15.12 | shootm3h | abrotman, i'm normally known as bofh80, and i know what i'm doing, this is a test machine, i want SID on it, to see if i can get Xen and Nvidia playin together. |
| 15:15.15 | abrotman | apparently you don't ... |
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| 15:16.22 | apostle | hardware support questions....does Debian support the AIMB-766 or AIMB-210 or AIMB-252 or ARK-6310-6M01E? |
| 15:16.29 | eptalon | shootm3h: ŵe tell you how to use a gun, and we give you the gun. but we dont pay the medical bills for people shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly. |
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| 15:16.49 | eptalon | apostle: whats that supposed to be? |
| 15:16.56 | EmleyMoor | apostle: What are they? |
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| 15:17.31 | eptalon | apostle: note that omst "hardware support" is kernel, so the same with all distros |
| 15:18.16 | apostle | eptalon, so the way to go about this is get the specs and check if the drivers are available? |
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| 15:18.48 | eptalon | apostle: What kind of hardware is it? |
| 15:18.48 | shootm3h | OMG. look . i'm technical industry for over a decade. stop flaming me for asking a simple question. i'm not asking you to fix anything. i'm asking for a link to a how - to. and blatently there isn't one. eptalon gave some good advise. it's as i expected but even simpler. abrotman apart frmo saying 'USE APTITUDE' you supplied no useful information. but thanks for the flaming session, i'm MCSE and i been using woody since 2001. thanks |
| 15:19.22 | eptalon | shootm3h: please dont freak out. |
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| 15:19.34 | eptalon | shootm3h: we are trying to help. |
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| 15:19.42 | ale_ | how can I install openGL support in my debian? thanks a lot! |
| 15:19.48 | shootm3h | sorry eptalon , abrotman is usually more on the ball than that, he kinda did freak me out |
| 15:20.05 | apostle | eptalon, http://www.advantech.com.tw/products/LGA-775-Core-2-Quad-Core-2-Duo-Processor-based-ATX-with-DDR2-Dual-GbE-4-COM/mod_1-2QFULQ.aspx |
| 15:20.06 | shootm3h | i been getting help off him on and off for years. dunno where that attack came from |
| 15:20.08 | abrotman | you will ask us to fix it eventually |
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| 15:20.12 | stew | shootm3h: he's currect, you should be using aptitude, its been the tool recommended for switching from one release to the other for many releases now |
| 15:20.12 | chfwiggum | shootm3h: if upgrading is so hard for u y don#t u try Sidux, its a good unstable release out of the box |
| 15:20.14 | themill | shootm3h: changing to sid is not documented that I know of. I consider that to be a good thing ... if you can't read the man pages and work it out for yourself, then you're not going to be able to dig yourself out of the hole that sid will drop you in at some stage. |
| 15:20.17 | jair | can I create new swap partition and mount it on the fly while linux is running? |
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| 15:20.25 | jair | I think I can? |
| 15:20.29 | EmleyMoor | jair: Yes |
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| 15:20.33 | petemc | jair: yes, or you can use a swap file |
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| 15:20.51 | ix | jair: yes, with swapon(8) |
| 15:20.51 | eptalon | jair: yep |
| 15:20.52 | shootm3h | abrotman, i told ye, i don't want to test the nvidia patches with Xen, taht in SID already. that's IT. if it falls apart at the seams i don't care. i can wipe it |
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| 15:21.11 | shootm3h | dunno why 'don't' is there |
| 15:21.12 | abrotman | shootm3h: have fun! |
| 15:21.34 | eptalon | shootm3h: as I said, go replace tohse lines, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, you are there; there may be other ways... |
| 15:21.35 | dstar_ | does #kopt=root=<foo> have to match what's in /etc/fstab, or can it use UUID while fstab still uses /dev/sda2? |
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| 15:21.42 | dstar_ | (for grub) |
| 15:21.57 | jelly | dstar_: it may be different |
| 15:22.04 | person | Where's my kdewallet in Debian Lenny? |
| 15:22.06 | jair | thank you |
| 15:22.10 | EmleyMoor | dstar_: UUID can be used |
| 15:22.13 | jelly | dstar_: if that's what you _really_ want |
| 15:22.15 | Eulex | dstar_, the latter |
| 15:22.18 | jair | ix: thank you |
| 15:22.21 | dstar_ | jelly: Thanks! That was the last thing I needed... |
| 15:22.25 | jair | thank you all |
| 15:22.27 | ale_ | how can I install openGL support in my debian? thanks a lot! |
| 15:22.29 | ix | jair: no problem :) |
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| 15:22.36 | jelly | dstar_: you can use the UUID= thing in fstab as well |
| 15:22.56 | jelly | prefers LABEL= as they're cleaner |
| 15:23.07 | dstar_ | hmmm.... |
| 15:23.14 | ale_ | anbody? |
| 15:23.17 | ale_ | anybody? |
| 15:23.37 | EmleyMoor | ale_: What are you trying to achieve? I think it depends on what graphics card you have... |
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| 15:24.03 | ale_ | EmleyMoor: I want to be able to run glxinfo.. |
| 15:24.29 | EmleyMoor | ale_: OK - what kind of graphics card do you have? |
| 15:24.31 | dstar_ | jelly: Can you use label with an fs that's on an lvm volume group? |
| 15:24.43 | ale_ | good question.. |
| 15:24.49 | ale_ | ATI something I think |
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| 15:25.16 | chfwiggum | ale_: yeah this card is supported |
| 15:25.20 | jelly | dstar_: sure. If it's the root fs, your initrd had better support lvm... |
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| 15:25.36 | maligor | ale_, lspci | grep VGA |
| 15:25.44 | EmleyMoor | I'm not familiar wih ATI - perhaps someone else could advise if there is a possible way forward |
| 15:26.12 | ale_ | ati mob. radeon 9600 |
| 15:26.16 | dstar_ | jelly: root's not on LVM (I'm not that much of an adrenaline junky), but /home is... |
| 15:26.33 | jelly | dstar_: I have "LABEL=maillogs /mnt/maillogs ext3 defaults,noatime 1 2", and maillogs is /dev/mapper/stage0-maillogs |
| 15:26.46 | maligor | ale_, are you sure opengl support isn't already installed? |
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| 15:26.52 | eptalon | dstar_: you can do almost anything with an fs on lvm ,if the fs supports it non-lvm. |
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| 15:27.16 | ale_ | maligor: I dunno, but I cannot run glxinfo.. it does not exist, so I suppose openGLare not installed |
| 15:27.32 | valdyn | ale_: glxgears is not opengl |
| 15:27.39 | jelly | dstar_: maillogs is a lv under the stage0 vg |
| 15:27.41 | valdyn | ale_: and its not required to have opengl |
| 15:27.56 | ale_ | yes sorry.. |
| 15:27.59 | Eulex | ale_, no, you don't need glxinfo to have opengl support. glxinfo is in the mesa-utils package. |
| 15:28.04 | ale_ | I see.. how can I figure out if I have opengl? |
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| 15:28.16 | jelly | dstar_: (this is on rhel, though, but it ought to work on Debian too ;-) |
| 15:28.31 | toshiba510cdt | i am running Lenny on an ancient Pentium 133 MHz laptop whose sound chipset CS4232 which is not pci but isa. whenever i try to access the mixer i get the message: /dev/mixer: No such file or directory. can anyone help me getting sound to work? |
| 15:28.43 | Eulex | ale_, basically, if you don't know, you _do_ have opengl support. but is your question whether you have 3d acceleration for it? |
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| 15:29.09 | ale_ | well I'd like to program in opengl, that's it |
| 15:29.29 | ale_ | possibly with 3D acceleration, yes.. |
| 15:29.41 | Eulex | ale_, you can do that without 3d acceleration, but it's convenient. you won't be able to use shaders otherwise, and stuff will be slow. |
| 15:29.55 | dstar_ | jelly: Cool. Now to see if I've got everything setup right, or if my system will fail to boot horribly... but first I'd better check that I can find my knoppix cd. |
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| 15:30.03 | ale_ | I dont mind about shaders.. |
| 15:30.09 | Eulex | toshiba510cdt, do you have a driver loaded for it? |
| 15:30.18 | ale_ | but I wont like a slow environment.. |
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| 15:30.43 | toshiba510cdt | how would i know? |
| 15:30.44 | Eulex | ale_, if you install mesa-utils, and then run glxinfo|grep direct, what us the output? |
| 15:31.16 | Eulex | toshiba510cdt, lsmod|grep cs4232 |
| 15:31.22 | ale_ | let me try.. |
| 15:32.00 | jelly | it sounds like a card that might have a decent OSS driver |
| 15:32.18 | Eulex | apparently debian kernels don't include that oss driver anymore |
| 15:32.23 | jelly | sure there's a snd-cs4232, but who knows how that one turned out |
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| 15:32.28 | ale_ | it says "yes" |
| 15:32.38 | carmineweb | Salve |
| 15:32.49 | Eulex | ale_, congratulations, you already have opengl with 3d acceleration. |
| 15:33.00 | ale_ | wow |
| 15:33.03 | Eulex | jelly, yeah. |
| 15:33.13 | ale_ | sorry to have bothered you thenn :) |
| 15:33.15 | jelly | Eulex: upstream kernel removed most oss drivers where there's any semblance of a working alsa one |
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| 15:33.24 | jelly | foo on them |
| 15:33.27 | Eulex | jelly, oh |
| 15:33.55 | jelly | I'd be more pissed if I didn't get rid of that old crappy hw long ago |
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| 15:35.16 | toshiba510cdt | Eulex, please have a look at http://pastebin.ca/1397346 |
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| 15:35.17 | Eulex | toshiba510cdt, if loading snd-cs4232 manually does not help, http://eulex.0nyx.com/cs4237b.html may offer some clues. note however that setpnp is not in the same package anymore, and that alsaconf iirc is not anymore. |
| 15:35.23 | jelly | if toshiba510cdt's one has any isapnp conflicts (or even isn't isapnp capable), it might need manual tweaking |
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| 15:35.48 | Eulex | toshiba510cdt, read your logs. |
| 15:36.07 | Eulex | dmesg, specifically. |
| 15:36.37 | Eulex | toshiba510cdt, and wow, you have both snd-cs4236 and snd-cs4232 loaded? |
| 15:37.19 | toshiba510cdt | i did not load anything. Lenny did at boot time |
| 15:37.41 | Eulex | yeah, I figured |
| 15:38.02 | Eulex | but it's still wrong |
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| 15:39.04 | stew | toshiba510cdt: does sound work at all? does just the mixer not work? |
| 15:39.20 | stew | toshiba510cdt: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 15:39.41 | toshiba510cdt | it seems to me the mixer is the only thing that does not work |
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| 15:40.15 | Eulex | toshiba510cdt, oh, sounds works? |
| 15:40.40 | stew | toshiba510cdt: try loading snd-pcm-oss which enables oss compatibility for alsa (/dev/mixer is the oss interface, not the alsa interface) |
| 15:40.58 | enouf | !soundcheck |
| 15:40.58 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
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| 15:41.18 | Eulex | haha vmlinuz, love it :D |
| 15:41.22 | abrotman | wonders how hard it would be for the d-i team to put a progress bar in the formatter |
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| 15:41.55 | stew | abrotman: probably not to hard if you send them a patch! |
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| 15:42.05 | enouf | all it needs is to be is intermingled/intertwined into all the templates .. likely not too hard |
| 15:42.15 | enouf | heh |
| 15:42.23 | abrotman | stew: i'm just commenting .. it takes a long time to format GBs of space .. but i have no idea how much longer it will take |
| 15:43.08 | enouf | abrotman: noticed much variations when doing same amount of space with various FStypes? |
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| 15:43.42 | abrotman | enouf: i usually use ext3 at work .. but i can tell you that i wish these old controllers were faster :) |
| 15:44.27 | Eulex | always uses 'fast'/non-clearing formatting |
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| 15:45.47 | enouf | heh .. well .. as long as you're using same/similar hardware for any comparisons .. that's all i meant - but really, i know reiserfs 3.6 atleast formats pretty darned fast .. oh, also .. hrm, were the partition(s) being formatted zeroed out prior? might that not matter? how about if the disk space was used as encrpyted prior? hrm.. |
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| 15:46.28 | toshiba510cdt | stew,loading snd-pcm-oss did not solve the problem |
| 15:46.41 | jelly | abrotman: explicitely asking for less inodes makes mkfs faster (and fsck, but I haven't tested that) |
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| 15:46.52 | abrotman | jelly: sure ... |
| 15:46.58 | toshiba510cdt | i still do not have sound mixer wise |
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| 15:47.04 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: snd_mixer_oss should pull in snd_pcm_oss, but not vice-versa - check if the former is also loaded |
| 15:47.24 | jelly | so if one knows in advance the avg. file size, one can mkfs accordingly |
| 15:47.35 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: also, is alsa-oss installed? and do what dppkg mentioned in the <soundcheck> factoid |
| 15:48.02 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: alsamixer was in the alsautils pkg .. not sure anymore |
| 15:48.26 | jelly | /dev/mapper/stage0-disk1 3.5T 3.0T 429G 88% /stage/disk1; but only 800k inodes: /dev/mapper/stage0-disk1 893888 429276 464612 49% /stage/disk1 |
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| 15:50.30 | toshiba510cdt | snd_pcm 60680 3 snd_cs4236_lib,snd_cs4231_lib,snd_pcm_oss |
| 15:50.38 | enouf | jelly: that implies one is presented with those options during install .. i mean; i was going to say perhaps pass possible --progress options to mkfs (not even sure if available, as it is with fsck, but) .. again, one would need to manually set it up (mkfs, inode count, progress bars) either way - AFAICT |
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| 15:51.36 | toshiba510cdt | alsa-oss is installed |
| 15:51.49 | jelly | enouf: yah, defaults are dumb |
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| 15:52.10 | enouf | stew: and toshiba510cdt hm.. am i mistaken about the snd_{mixer,pcm}_oss modules depends? I see this from a modinfo snd_pcm_oss -> depends: snd-pcm,snd,snd-mixer-oss |
| 15:52.20 | jelly | enouf: if (system disk > 100GB) { use lvm; leave other space unused } |
| 15:52.31 | enouf | jelly: dumb for the experience, sure are many times ... |
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| 15:52.43 | enouf | experienced* |
| 15:53.29 | enouf | stew: and toshiba510cdt and yet; modinfo snd_mixer_oss only says Depends: snd |
| 15:54.13 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, in newbie terms what am i supposed to do now? |
| 15:54.55 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: not that i can home in on your exact issue; pastebin output of lshal | grep device.file | sort |
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| 15:55.23 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: i came late - let me scroll up .. |
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| 15:56.42 | enouf | "lshal | grep dev/mixer" |
| 15:56.42 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1397362 |
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| 15:57.36 | toshiba510cdt | upon executing lshal | grep device.file | sort i get the message: |
| 15:57.39 | toshiba510cdt | error: dbus_bus_get: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory |
| 15:57.48 | enouf | TAtari: hrm, a p133 laptop eh? nice :-) .. i wonder if the pkg pnputils might help at all for ISA related issues |
| 15:57.58 | toshiba510cdt | i did execute the command as root |
| 15:57.58 | enouf | erm .. toshiba510cdt .. not TAtari |
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| 15:58.18 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: i ran mine as a user |
| 15:58.26 | jelly | enouf: eh, same machine age |
| 15:58.30 | SQlvpapir | watch -d cat /var/log/httpd/access_log |grep -i teis does not work at all (it just stands there not outputing anything.. ) any tips? it works without watch |
| 15:58.32 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: lshal shouldn't require root privs |
| 15:59.01 | enouf | jelly: as moi? nah .. well .. i have a p150 here, but main one is a p2 ;-) |
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| 15:59.16 | jelly | SQlvpapir: /var/log/httpd is an unusual place for web server logs in debian. |
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| 15:59.37 | stew | SQlvpapir: you'd have to put the command including the |grep -i into quotes |
| 15:59.39 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: which release? Lenny? fully installed? |
| 15:59.39 | jelly | enouf: I meant, mistaking an atari nickname for the toshiba guy |
| 15:59.49 | enouf | jelly: ahhh.. righto |
| 15:59.55 | SQlvpapir | jelly: I made a symlink because of old habit |
| 15:59.55 | enouf | heh |
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| 15:59.58 | stew | SQlvpapir: though do you perhaps just want tail -f | grep instead? |
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| 16:00.31 | SQlvpapir | stew: wont work because of buffering iirc |
| 16:00.42 | jelly | SQlvpapir: man grep help with buffering |
| 16:00.45 | jelly | helps* |
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| 16:01.06 | SQlvpapir | thanks jelly the quotes helped |
| 16:01.09 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, Lenny is what i am running. what do you actually mean by "fully installed"?? |
| 16:01.12 | jelly | --line-bufferes or similar |
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| 16:02.03 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: ok ,.. i meant; were there any specific installation issues you needed to workaround - such as perhaps using specific kernel boot params, disabling/enabling things in the BIOS, etc |
| 16:02.14 | jelly | SQlvpapir: also, "grep -i teis /var/log/httpd/access_log" saves you a cat and a pipe. |
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| 16:02.55 | enouf | also, you'd tail -f a file, and watch a binary - basically |
| 16:03.11 | enouf | you could even watch tail :-) |
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| 16:03.47 | jelly | or try to catch it |
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| 16:04.37 | enouf | i think that works well with (for ex;) "watch tail /proc/net/dev" |
| 16:04.57 | enouf | and heck yeah, i love chasing tail ... mmmmm |
| 16:05.25 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, well the installation went fine, all i had to do use is a parameter to disable acpi. i did not touch the bios |
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| 16:05.55 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: i see - that might be an issue - so; using the noacpi option? |
| 16:06.15 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 16:06.34 | toshiba510cdt | i have to tell you that I had etch on this very laptop before and had sound working ok. i remove etch and did a fresh install of lenny and now i have the mixer prob |
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| 16:07.16 | toshiba510cdt | root=/dev/hda1 ro acpi=off noapic nolapic vga=771 nousb irqpoll all_generic_ide quiet |
| 16:08.37 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: though many 133MHz era are not ACPI enbaled/aware (still used APM if anything) .. check with your power management settings in the BIOS, and try various boot params as needed (so perhaps you need no special boot params, even though for my 1999ish p2, i use acpi=force, if the ACPI_BLACKLIST= option isn't an issue in the kernel config, it's not even needed anymore here) |
| 16:09.44 | enouf | i see |
| 16:09.45 | xand | !iceweasel |
| 16:09.45 | dpkg | methinks iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian from Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox-fork which is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). Ask me about <why iceweasel> <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. |
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| 16:10.16 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: that might be a bit tricky (many specific params, .. the irqpoll one is also needed? the nousb is fine, and likely even all_generic_ide .. and remove the quiet param, and /msg dpkg bootlogd and enable it) ... sorry |
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| 16:12.13 | toshiba510cdt | ok, i will do so and reboot |
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| 16:12.26 | toshiba510cdt | will be back in 10 min or so |
| 16:12.26 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: the nolapic shouldn't be needed (and also might be messing you up), but only you would know .. hrm, what's output of cat /proc/ioports ; cat /proc/interrupts ; cat /proc/iomem ; cat /var/log/dmesg (quite a lot, i know) |
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| 16:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | toshiba510cdt, does the file exist? |
| 16:12.30 | anddam | hello |
| 16:13.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | toshiba510cdt, just reading the backlog, sorry if you said before [but from what I see nobody asked the obvious :) ] |
| 16:14.02 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: (toshiba510cdt) you mean the dbus error? |
| 16:14.11 | enouf | or /dev/mixer ? |
| 16:14.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:14.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... the error says there is no such file... |
| 16:14.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | the obvious thing is that it's missing? |
| 16:14.44 | toshiba510cdt | which is...? ls /dev/mixer tells me that such a file does not exist |
| 16:14.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and not the driver) |
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| 16:15.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | toshiba510cdt, run /dev/MAKEDEV ? |
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| 16:15.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | but really weird... you shouldn't have to |
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| 16:15.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | toshiba510cdt, specially since you say nothing went wrong during install |
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| 16:15.57 | JustinJoseph | Challenge Me - http://justinjg.mybrute.com :p |
| 16:16.13 | hoxu | !ops JustinJoseph spamming |
| 16:16.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: JustinJoseph spamming |
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| 16:18.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | toshiba510cdt ? working now? |
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| 16:19.18 | balazsbela | Hello. I have a problem. I upgraded the system using dist-upgrade and it hangs when reconfiguring hal |
| 16:19.23 | balazsbela | it can't configure the hal package |
| 16:19.41 | ale_ | bb |
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| 16:19.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you look in the bts? |
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| 16:20.47 | balazsbela | bts ? |
| 16:20.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.03 | balazsbela | oh |
| 16:22.14 | themill | !sidsmite balazsbela |
| 16:22.14 | dpkg | smacks balazsbela with a crippling libstdc++5 bug |
| 16:22.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, he didn't say "sid" |
| 16:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | YET |
| 16:22.49 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: he did on OFTC. |
| 16:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | oho |
| 16:23.05 | jelly | themill: kinda dates the smite |
| 16:23.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | crossposting as well, eh? |
| 16:23.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | smitten :) |
| 16:23.19 | jelly | s/cross/multi/ |
| 16:23.20 | themill | jelly: quite... the young'ns wouldn't even get it |
| 16:23.49 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: crossposting is impossible on irc |
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| 16:24.03 | toshiba510cdt | after running /dev/MAKEDEV the problem remains the same |
| 16:24.35 | jelly | toshiba510cdt: is there a reason why you need /dev/mixer? |
| 16:25.01 | toshiba510cdt | yes, to adjust the volume and play cds and music |
| 16:25.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, it is? |
| 16:25.14 | jelly | toshiba510cdt: does "alsamixer" not work? |
| 16:25.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, are you referring to the technicality that you have to copy stuff yourself? |
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| 16:25.42 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: exactly, the term you want is "multiposting" |
| 16:26.02 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: crossposting keeps a single copy of the article |
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| 16:27.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, the term I'm looking for might be nitpicking :-P |
| 16:28.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | toshiba510cdt, doesn't MAKEDEV create /dev/mixer? |
| 16:28.20 | toshiba510cdt | alsamixer does not work. whenever i execute it i get the message: |
| 16:28.22 | jelly | toshiba510cdt: /dev/mixer is an OSS compability device; if your apps use alsa, you need not care about it |
| 16:28.22 | toshiba510cdt | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 16:28.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | toshiba510cdt, mine does (you can read it, it's just a script) |
| 16:28.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | toshiba510cdt, /dev/mixer is not the alsa mixer - it's the OSS mixer (or OSS compability, as jelly said) |
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| 16:29.06 | sphenxes | would someone tell please how to add repository for Adobe and Flash? |
| 16:29.30 | toshiba510cdt | MAKEDEV does not create /dev/mixer on my laptop |
| 16:29.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | sphenxes, contrib non-free |
| 16:29.37 | jelly | toshiba510cdt: that's something; can you pastebin "ls -la /dev/snd" and "cat /proc/asound/cards"? |
| 16:29.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | sphenxes, (just add to end of line after main) |
| 16:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | sphenxes, also, /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 16:29.54 | themill | dpkg: tell sphenxes about adobe flash |
| 16:29.57 | sphenxes | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
| 16:30.04 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: makedev does not change stuff in /dev when udev is active |
| 16:31.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, I thought /dev/mixer is one of the fixed devices that udev doesn't touch (I'm rather sure it always exists on one of my systems even when it's not used) |
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| 16:31.42 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: im sure its touched at least |
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| 16:32.08 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: possibly because snd-pcm-mixer always gets loaded |
| 16:32.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, that's why I wasn't saying this in more definite terms :) |
| 16:32.31 | valdyn | snd_mixer_oss even |
| 16:32.40 | jelly | what he said! |
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| 16:32.48 | sphenxes | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | works better without the space :) |
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| 16:34.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | sphenxes, debian-multimedia is more for things like the w32codecs for mplayer, mp3 encoders etc, but it's good to know about |
| 16:34.34 | dstar_ | well... that's annoying. Trying to boot 2.6.29 fails, because lvm doesn't find my volume groups. /etc/lvm/.cache doesn't list _anything_, and vgscan complains it can't find any devices. dm_mod is loaded.... what else can I look at? |
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| 16:34.47 | sphenxes | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks, i need it too |
| 16:34.52 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: flashplayer-mozilla is on dmm and imo is the easiest approach to installing flash |
| 16:34.58 | valdyn | dstar_: try vgchange -ay |
| 16:35.10 | valdyn | dstar_: is that a custom kernel? |
| 16:36.29 | dstar_ | valdyn: nope. The one that I _can_ get to boot is a custom kernel, but not that one.... |
| 16:37.13 | valdyn | dstar_: its probably required that you reinstall the kernel or dpkg-reconfigure it _after_ lvm is set up |
| 16:37.54 | dstar_ | valdyn: I've been using lvm for a couple of years, now, and just installed the 2.6.29 package last week.... |
| 16:38.07 | dstar_ | valdyn: don't you have to do vgscan before you can do vgchange? |
| 16:38.16 | valdyn | dstar_: no |
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| 16:38.22 | valdyn | dstar_: the boot scripts just do vgchange -ay |
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| 16:40.10 | toshiba510cdt | jelly, http://pastebin.ca/1397402 |
| 16:40.47 | jelly | huh |
| 16:40.51 | dstar_ | valdyn: hrm... mine do vgscan.... |
| 16:41.02 | jelly | toshiba510cdt: you mentioned that sound worked? |
| 16:41.36 | valdyn | dstar_: vgscan to create the device nodes i guess |
| 16:41.38 | enouf | jelly: CutMeOwnThroat you;re dealing with an ISA soundchip/card, on an ancient laptop p133, using this as cmdline; "<toshiba510cdt> root=/dev/hda1 ro acpi=off noapic nolapic vga=771 nousb irqpoll all_generic_ide quiet" just so you know, if that matters |
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| 16:41.58 | enouf | how well does alsa deal with ISA devices? |
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| 16:42.05 | valdyn | dstar_: anyway, your initrd needs lvm config in it, iirc |
| 16:42.18 | jelly | enouf: probably depends on the driver in question |
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| 16:42.24 | enouf | tombs: why is dbus broken? |
| 16:42.27 | valdyn | dstar_: so if you didnt regenerate the initrd then it cant boot |
| 16:42.28 | enouf | gah |
| 16:42.45 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: why is dbus / lshal also broken? |
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| 16:43.22 | jelly | toshiba510cdt: and your dmesg (or /var/log/kern.log, starting from the latest reboot)? |
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| 16:43.37 | jelly | toshiba510cdt: also lsmod for good measure :-) |
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| 16:44.00 | valdyn | might even be some "isapnp" sound card |
| 16:44.04 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: how about what i asked for as well; ".... what's output of cat /proc/ioports ; cat /proc/interrupts ; cat /proc/iomem ; cat /var/log/dmesg" |
| 16:44.08 | jelly | enouf: because his machine is old crap, that's why |
| 16:44.13 | enouf | heh |
| 16:44.24 | valdyn | and isapnputils or whatever it was called is not even in debian anymore |
| 16:44.33 | enouf | vanksi: really? ugh .. |
| 16:44.34 | jelly | valdyn: it's all done in the kernel now |
| 16:44.45 | enouf | judd: versions pnputils |
| 16:44.46 | judd | enouf: pnputils -- etch-backports: 0.1-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.1-3 sid: 0.1-3 squeeze: 0.1-3 |
| 16:44.49 | jelly | valdyn: modinfo snd-cs4232, for example |
| 16:44.49 | iateadonut | how do i log into sftp in interactive mode? |
| 16:44.58 | toshiba510cdt | why is dbus / lshal also broken? yeah, good question, how would this newbie know the answer? |
| 16:45.14 | jelly | iateadonut: use a sftp client |
| 16:45.20 | iateadonut | my usb0 machine that i can ssh into is not taking connections through konqueror, and i can't get to interactive mode on sftp... |
| 16:45.24 | jelly | iateadonut: like "sftp" :-) |
| 16:45.24 | iateadonut | like what client? |
| 16:45.34 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: do you have half a DE installed? "dpkg -l <pkgname> | grep ^.i" |
| 16:45.49 | iateadonut | sftp - i tried logging in, but it doesn't work - i figured there was some command to get to the sftp command line? |
| 16:45.57 | valdyn | jelly: kernel cant help him find the proper free irq etc, can it? |
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| 16:46.18 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: hal and dbus-1 are pkg names .. there are others related ofcourse |
| 16:46.24 | Wyg | This might be a stupid question, but is there any implementation of the Windows Media Sharing service available for Debian? |
| 16:46.42 | valdyn | Wyg: what is "Windows Media Sharing service" ? |
| 16:46.45 | dstar_ | valdyn: okay, regenerated the initrd, so lets see if it works.... |
| 16:46.53 | jelly | valdyn: depends on whether isapnp work on this machine, for that card |
| 16:47.10 | jelly | iateadonut: "it doesn't work"? |
| 16:47.11 | Wyg | It's a service bundled with Windows Media Player that allows you to share media files across a network. |
| 16:47.30 | jelly | iateadonut: I get a sftp> prompt |
| 16:47.32 | Wyg | I suppose I could just set up regular file sharing but I'd like to stream media to my PS3. |
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| 16:47.55 | iateadonut | can i paste five lines without getting booted? |
| 16:47.57 | jelly | iateadonut: and authenticate just like for ssh |
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| 16:48.03 | jelly | iateadonut: usea pastebin |
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| 16:48.13 | valdyn | Wyg: its a marketing term from windows, thats the issue |
| 16:48.16 | iateadonut | sftp -oUser=root 10.1.0.1 |
| 16:48.17 | iateadonut | subsystem request failed on channel 0 |
| 16:48.17 | iateadonut | Couldn't read packet: Connection reset by peer |
| 16:48.17 | enouf | !tell iateadonut -about pastebin |
| 16:48.21 | valdyn | Wyg: theres plenty "media sharing" protocols |
| 16:48.30 | iateadonut | i left two lines out. |
| 16:48.36 | jelly | iateadonut: do a sftp -vv ... |
| 16:48.37 | valdyn | Wyg: try googleing for the problem directly |
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| 16:48.43 | Wyg | Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was a proprietary protocol or just Microsoft's name for something that already existed. |
| 16:48.45 | jelly | iateadonut: pastebin the output |
| 16:48.49 | Wyg | I may do. |
| 16:49.07 | jelly | iateadonut: which OS does the remote machine run? Which version of sshd? |
| 16:49.17 | toshiba510cdt | jelly and enouf , i am going to reboot now. plz remind me of what you need me to suplly you with after i am back which will be in 10 min or so. thanks |
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| 16:49.27 | valdyn | Wyg: unlikely, ps3 isnt just supposed to cooperate with windows |
| 16:49.38 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: ok .. i will .. if available |
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| 16:49.58 | Wyg | http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/ |
| 16:50.00 | Wyg | Haha. |
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| 16:50.19 | Wyg | This is what I need, thanks Google. |
| 16:50.25 | jelly | \o/ |
| 16:50.34 | Wyg | I tried searching for 'media sharing linux' previously but it turned out to be useless. |
| 16:50.39 | Wyg | Thanks for your help. |
| 16:51.13 | iateadonut | http://paste.debian.net/33994/ |
| 16:51.13 | jelly | Featured downloads: pms-linux-1.10.5.tgz |
| 16:51.59 | iateadonut | jelly: Opie OpenSSH_4.3p2 |
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| 16:52.13 | jelly | iateadonut: is the sftp subservice compiled in and enabled on the remote machine? |
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| 16:52.48 | jelly | iateadonut: its sshd_config should have a line like "Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server" |
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| 16:53.36 | iateadonut | no. |
| 16:53.38 | iateadonut | i guess it's not. |
| 16:53.53 | iateadonut | because when i ssh and do 'sftp', nothing comes up. |
| 16:53.54 | iateadonut | thanks. |
| 16:54.10 | xoz_ | /MSG dpkg help |
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| 16:55.55 | adb | jelly: apt-cache show mediatomb |
| 16:56.45 | g00se | This is my fstab. What should /etc/exports look like to export / *and* /bk ? |
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| 16:57.25 | adb | Wyg: apt-cache show mediatomb ? |
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| 17:02.56 | worr | anyone use zsh? |
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| 17:03.15 | Dassu | I used to until I reliezed that I didn't have to |
| 17:03.21 | gravity | worr: I use it |
| 17:03.25 | jelly | worr: ask your question |
| 17:03.38 | Dassu | gravity: now tell me why zsh > bash ??? |
| 17:03.39 | worr | ok, I'm having an issue with tab completion |
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| 17:03.56 | gravity | Dassu: The completion is great and I've already got it configured. |
| 17:03.57 | worr | with my custom prompt, it arbitrarily relocates the cursor on the term when I tab in |
| 17:04.13 | Dassu | :| |
| 17:04.14 | worr | it varies based on term size |
| 17:04.33 | jelly | worr: do you have any control characters in PS1? |
| 17:05.21 | jelly | worr: (or escape sequences that don't produce movement of cursor) |
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| 17:05.40 | jelly | worr: if you do, you need to put those inside %{ ... %} |
| 17:05.42 | worr | yeah, I got colors |
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| 17:05.56 | worr | oh, wow, I thought I had done that |
| 17:06.00 | worr | guess not |
| 17:06.25 | worr | apparently I had done that for some of them and not others |
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| 17:06.33 | jelly | worr: also, make sure you didn't put printables inside it, just the um, unprintables |
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| 17:06.51 | worr | yeah, that fixed it |
| 17:06.53 | worr | thanks guys |
| 17:06.56 | jelly | cheers |
| 17:07.42 | dstar__ | valdyn: the problem was that sysfs was telling vgscan that all of the devices were invalid, so it skipped them. Setting sysfs_scan=0 fixed the problem. |
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| 17:12.21 | jelly | g00se: export both mountpoints; read in exports(5) about nohide |
| 17:12.29 | toshiba510cdt | hi jelly and enouf, i am back |
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| 17:12.49 | toshiba510cdt | and sound mixer still does not work |
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| 17:13.35 | g00se | jelly: i did and it wasn't clear to me whether specifying nohide removed the need to mount twice |
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| 17:14.16 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: do you have half a DE installed? "dpkg -l hal dbus-1 pnputils | grep ^.i" and whichever ones don't return (install those) or if any don't say "ii" show us |
| 17:14.27 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: how about what i asked for as well; ".... what's output of cat /proc/ioports ; cat /proc/interrupts ; cat /proc/iomem ; cat /var/log/dmesg" |
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| 17:14.37 | jetpda | wheeeeee |
| 17:14.38 | jelly | g00se: yeah um... I don't remember how it works either, now. :-) |
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| 17:15.27 | jetpda | het anybody else have a problem with less not working in sid? |
| 17:15.36 | jetpda | just curious |
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| 17:15.52 | g00se | jelly: Thanks anyway. I know the answer is in there somewhere ;-) |
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| 17:18.53 | bitshuffler | Hello. A little packaging question: Would it be ok to use "(= ${Source-Version})" instead of "(= ${binary:Version})" in a .control file to specify the version dependency of -dev packages? (the binary one doesn't work on Ubuntu 6.06 and I would like to have one .control for all debian based stuff) |
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| 17:19.56 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, hal and pnputils are installed |
| 17:20.43 | dstar__ | valdyn: looks like apt-get upgrade the other day left lvm2 in a half-installed state, which was probably the root cause of the problem.... |
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| 17:26.29 | TheSarge | How do I upgrade to sid? |
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| 17:27.23 | Eulex | TheSarge, you have enough knowledge so you know how to do it, and thus you don't need to ask. |
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| 17:27.44 | Niklas219 | Hey. I'm having a small issue with a machine, everytime it boots, it asks for root password to go into maintaince, or ctrl+d to continue.. i just hit ctrl+d to continue and then it boots normally. What is causing this? i doesn't print any errors or anything |
| 17:28.09 | TheSarge | Eulex: I don't have a clue on how to do it, thats why I asked... |
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| 17:28.25 | Eulex | TheSarge, then you better avoid sid. |
| 17:29.02 | TheSarge | Eulex: It's the only way to not hae ancient packages. |
| 17:29.08 | TheSarge | have. |
| 17:29.40 | lillis | god friggin damnit.. |
| 17:29.54 | Eulex | TheSarge, is there something specific that you need a newer version of? |
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| 17:30.34 | TheSarge | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.00 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, output of dmesg : http://pastebin.ca/1397453 |
| 17:31.05 | themill | TheSarge: specifically... |
| 17:31.23 | Eulex | TheSarge, backports are one way. are you sure you _need_ those packages? also, a possibility is to try out testing, it is usually safer than sid. |
| 17:31.28 | TheSarge | Specificially I want to goto sid... |
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| 17:31.48 | TheSarge | Testing doesnt have alot of the packages I want either. |
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| 17:32.01 | Eulex | TheSarge, how did you check? |
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| 17:32.24 | Eulex | also, being vague doesn't help you. |
| 17:32.29 | TheSarge | http://packages.debian.org |
| 17:32.32 | themill | gets the trollstamp ready |
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| 17:33.24 | TheSarge | I am not being vague, I am asking how to dist-upgrade to sid |
| 17:33.36 | paxcoder | k, how do you make your system not delete old bash history? |
| 17:34.02 | themill | paxcoder: it doesn't. just make sure you log out of the shell rather than killing bash |
| 17:34.24 | toshiba510cdt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.32 | paxcoder | themill: no, *old* bash history? |
| 17:34.40 | Eulex | TheSarge, easy. you dist-upgrade to sid. if you don't know HOW to make a dist-upgrade upgrade to sid, you SHOULD not go anywhere near sid. for your own safety, please. |
| 17:34.43 | paxcoder | there's a limit. |
| 17:34.47 | themill | TheSarge: you are being vague and we aren't going to help you run sid. If you're not clueful enough to work it out yourself, you're not clueful enough to help yourself when sid breaks. |
| 17:35.17 | themill | paxcoder: oh, I see. Have a look at the HISTSIZE env variable (I think) or /msg dpkg bash eternal history |
| 17:35.37 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, output of /proc/iomem http://pastebin.ca/1397471 |
| 17:35.43 | TheSarge | Eulex: I have LAWAYS used the testing branch, don't worry about my saftey lmao. Just tell me how I can use goto sid, or I'll just do a complete reinstall like I always do. |
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| 17:36.00 | TheSarge | alwaysd |
| 17:36.02 | stew | TheSarge: our typical answer to that question is /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 17:36.09 | paxcoder | themill: is there a dpkg search? because i doubt you knew this by heart :-D |
| 17:36.18 | TheSarge | Thanks stew that works |
| 17:36.33 | Eulex | TheSarge, then I assume you have upgraded to testing once or twice? |
| 17:36.45 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, output of /proc/ioports http://pastebin.ca/1397472 |
| 17:37.03 | themill | !factinfo bash eternal history |
| 17:37.03 | dpkg | bash eternal history -- created by themill <n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill> at Sun Nov 9 18:51:38 2008 (161 days); last modified at Sun Nov 9 18:54:11 2008 by themill!n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 9 times, last by jintxo, 1m 13s ago. |
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| 17:37.17 | paxcoder | oh. |
| 17:37.18 | themill | paxcoder: ^^ (there also is a dpkg search ; /msg dpkg bot help) |
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| 17:37.44 | TheSarge | Stew that pointless... |
| 17:37.58 | TheSarge | Just tell me how to upgrade to sid please. |
| 17:38.08 | themill | TheSarge: man sources.list |
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| 17:38.26 | TheSarge | Thats all you do is change the sources and do a dist-upgrade? |
| 17:38.49 | abrotman | if you have to ask, you shoudln't |
| 17:38.49 | Elshar2 | Pretty much, yea. |
| 17:38.50 | toshiba510cdt | jelly, do you need any info apart from what i have already pasted on pastebin.ca? |
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| 17:39.04 | themill | TheSarge: and hope. And learn to use google, man and apropos. And don't bother coming back here for help with sid if you can't use all of the above. |
| 17:39.10 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: i just returned, let me look a bit |
| 17:39.18 | toshiba510cdt | ok |
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| 17:45.59 | jintxo | Niklas219, you didn't change your deault runlevel to 1 or anything like that? |
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| 17:46.19 | jintxo | s/deault/default |
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| 17:52.30 | ersoy | abrotman, hi |
| 17:52.44 | abrotman | uh .. hi |
| 17:52.57 | ersoy | pls cycle channel, spam |
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| 17:53.38 | ersoy | t+ |
| 17:53.47 | ersoy | thanks |
| 17:54.13 | mischief6 | anyone know how i can figure out if a package exists for the 'J' programming language interpreter?.. |
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| 17:54.57 | abrotman | mischief6: do oyu know what the compiler is called? |
| 17:55.24 | mischief6 | i think 'jd' but i am not positive. i've only just started looking in to J |
| 17:58.00 | abrotman | mischief6: i'm seeing a lack of source ... ? |
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| 17:58.20 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: i really see way too many possibilities, and most all are guesses on my part, however; i notice from lines 22-24. 27 and 28 from /proc/ioports might be where you would interject, or setup loading your "snd_cs4232" with specific options (add/touch a file to /etc/modprobe.d/ and name it whatever, and enter text similar to this; "options snd_cs4232 enable isapnp") |
| 17:58.31 | enouf | total: modinfo snd_cs4232 will list avail parms |
| 17:58.50 | enouf | er toshiba510cdt modinfo snd_cs4232 ... |
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| 18:00.11 | mischief6 | abrotman, maybe that is the case |
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| 18:00.32 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: it doesn't appear your BIOS and/or kernel is assigning the usual irq5 (sometimes 7, but parport is on that now) stuff for it though cat /proc/interrupts .. and i'm not sure if using a -486 debian kernel might help, since you only have 80MB of RAM, no need for any HIGHMEM ;-) |
| 18:00.49 | xand | hmm, if I leave a usb network adaptor plugged in, my nfs mounts don't mount at boot :| |
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| 18:01.58 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: also review the kernel-parameters.txt file for various isapnp, irqpoll boot options - actually searching for 'dma' in that txt file shows some intersting items |
| 18:02.33 | enouf | xand: usb BIOS crap is reordering boot disk/device order likely |
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| 18:02.55 | xand | enouf: eh? it boots fine |
| 18:02.57 | abrotman | mischief6: http://www.jsoftware.com/source.htm |
| 18:03.12 | xand | all is fine except I have to do mount -a after booting |
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| 18:04.12 | mischief6 | abrotman, so you can pay for the source. eh? :) |
| 18:04.24 | abrotman | mischief6: i'm sure that violates some part of the DFSG :) |
| 18:04.28 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, so could you plz give this newbie precise instructions to solve the problem? like actual commands to execute |
| 18:04.37 | enouf | wrong fstab entries, because /dev/names/ and/or mount points were reordered .. or .. usb network is stealing resources/irqs ... er .. wait, are you mounting the NFS over the USB network adaptor? |
| 18:04.58 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, btw i do not use this laptops parallel port |
| 18:05.39 | mischief6 | abrotman, rats. i guess i'll stick with the ol windows interpreter then |
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| 18:06.05 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: i wish i could, and i just did give a detailed example for loading module params with the module .. however, there are way too many choices for me to detail them all .. i'm doing what i can, and i don't know the exact issue - also i haven't seen you post dpkg -l output |
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| 18:07.00 | enouf | er.. you are using a -486 .. i just finally got to your dmesg output |
| 18:07.13 | abrotman | mischief6: they do have a linux one .. just not in debian |
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| 18:08.50 | mischief6 | abrotman, i see that. i was hoping for a package though. i guess i can deal with their sh script though :| |
| 18:08.50 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, the kernel i am running is Linux debian 2.6.26-1-486 #1 Fri Mar 13 17:25:45 UTC 2009 i586 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:09.23 | abrotman | toshiba510cdt: your kernel is out of date (security issues) |
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| 18:10.56 | mischief6 | abrotman, i simply installed to ~/bin for now :F |
| 18:11.14 | khaije1 | anyone using blueman (blueman-project.org)? it looks like it's only packaged for ubuntu gutsy, but i want to pull it into sid |
| 18:12.19 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, today i did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and i got the message : The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-486 |
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| 18:12.43 | toshiba510cdt | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded |
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| 18:12.53 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: which is a metapackage |
| 18:13.17 | enouf | judd depends linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 18:13.17 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-486 -- Depends: linux-image-2.6.26-1-486 |
| 18:13.34 | stew | that could be out of date |
| 18:13.39 | stew | i need to update etch |
| 18:13.47 | stew | err, lenny |
| 18:13.57 | enouf | stew: judd's info? |
| 18:14.00 | stew | yes |
| 18:14.08 | enouf | ok |
| 18:14.13 | toshiba510cdt | correct me if i am wrong but the recommended way to upgrade your packages inc the kernel is with the package manager, right? |
| 18:14.26 | stew | toshiba510cdt: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 18:14.27 | enouf | correct |
| 18:14.43 | toshiba510cdt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.53 | enouf | no leading spaces |
| 18:16.13 | jintxo | Niklas219, ping |
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| 18:17.58 | M3 | hi all |
| 18:18.19 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, if the package manager does not consider the kernel should be upgraded yet, i just simply need to abide by its decision |
| 18:18.46 | stew | toshiba510cdt: it thinks the kernel should be upgraded |
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| 18:19.26 | M3 | what are the minimum hardware requirement for installing debian lenny? |
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| 18:20.03 | Jemt | M3: What do you want Lenny to do ? Act Desktop operating system? Server? |
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| 18:20.27 | Jemt | M3: I have been running Debian with Gnome on 233 Mhz. A bit slow, but it works |
| 18:20.28 | toshiba510cdt | stew, but the package manager has kept back the kernel package until, i suppose, some issues or dependencies conflicts, are solved. right? |
| 18:20.36 | Jemt | Could possibly run on even older hardware |
| 18:20.40 | nkuttler | M3: /msg dpkg ig |
| 18:20.56 | stew | toshiba510cdt: no, did you try "/msg dpkg kept back"? |
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| 18:21.11 | M3 | i want to use it as a desktop on a pentium 2 w/160mb of ram |
| 18:21.23 | enouf | it will work |
| 18:21.28 | stew | M3: that's well above the minimum specs |
| 18:21.34 | enouf | but bloated DEs are going to be slow |
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| 18:21.48 | Jemt | M3: Go ahead. I would recommend a light weight Window Manager like Fluxbox though |
| 18:21.49 | NativeAngels | ive just installed debian lenny first it was fine, but then after reboot the apps panel is missing, can anyone help ? |
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| 18:22.21 | M3 | thanx all alot, i will try it with lxde or xfce |
| 18:22.27 | toshiba510cdt | stew, yes i did but what command shall i actually execute to overcome the impasse? |
| 18:22.46 | NativeAngels | any ideas ? |
| 18:22.48 | stew | toshiba510cdt: "aptitude install packagename" should do it. though don't let it remove your currently running kernel |
| 18:22.49 | Jemt | M3: Good idea :) |
| 18:22.51 | nkuttler | NativeAngels: still you? move .gnome* and .gconf* somewhere else.. |
| 18:22.58 | NativeAngels | yes |
| 18:22.59 | NativeAngels | no |
| 18:23.07 | NativeAngels | i reinstalled it |
| 18:23.10 | enouf | NativeAngels: you mean gnome apps panel? if so, no idea |
| 18:23.12 | nkuttler | it? |
| 18:23.25 | NativeAngels | as in debian lenny |
| 18:23.39 | NativeAngels | it was fine on first login |
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| 18:23.54 | nkuttler | NativeAngels: try #debian-gnome (or what was it?) on oftc |
| 18:24.18 | NativeAngels | but after reboot all i was getting was the file folder |
| 18:24.19 | enouf | sounds like a kicker/panel/theme issue or something - /msg dpkg gnome |
| 18:24.20 | nkuttler | NativeAngels: #gnome-debian |
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| 18:24.29 | NativeAngels | ok |
| 18:24.53 | NativeAngels | no room by that name |
| 18:24.56 | enouf | !info gnome-panel |
| 18:25.01 | nkuttler | !tell NativeAngels about oftc |
| 18:25.06 | toshiba510cdt | stew, how can i prevent it from removing my currently running kernel? |
| 18:25.06 | enouf | NativeAngels: on oftc.net |
| 18:25.12 | enouf | read the factoids |
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| 18:26.11 | nkuttler | toshiba510cdt: um, usually you let the packet manager remove it, install the new one and reboot.. keep a backup kernel though |
| 18:26.12 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: use -s option to simulate at first |
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| 18:26.41 | bananahands | Hi, iI have 4 hard drives. One is having read failures and needs to be removed, how can I check the serial # via terminal so I know which one to unplug when I power down? hdparm? |
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| 18:27.12 | enouf | yes, use -I or -i bananahands |
| 18:27.12 | halflife08 | bananahands: ide or scsi ? |
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| 18:27.16 | kunal | hi. is there any place where i can get manuals for installing vga cards? |
| 18:27.48 | kunal | i am unable to find website that provide information on vga card installation for debian |
| 18:27.51 | nkuttler | kunal: what do you mean by 'install'? |
| 18:27.54 | enouf | bananahands: could ls -l /dev/disk/by-* and even use lshal to obtain that info |
| 18:28.07 | abrotman | bananahands: gah .. all i can think of now is "Your hands and feet are mangos. You're gonna be a genius anyway" |
| 18:28.15 | enouf | or lshw or hwinfo , etc |
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| 18:28.41 | bananahands | haha |
| 18:28.47 | kunal | nkuttler: i mean have my vga card functional at full level, doing multiscreen task, watching video |
| 18:28.48 | kunal | etc. |
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| 18:29.06 | bananahands | scsi/SATA |
| 18:29.59 | kunal | any advice? |
| 18:30.23 | adb | kunal: other #debian just tels you |
| 18:30.42 | nkuttler | kunal: depends on the card i guess.. not all features are always supported |
| 18:30.44 | toshiba510cdt | stew, enouf, i am going to upgrade the kernel. let's hope it solves my sound problem |
| 18:31.03 | stew | toshiba510cdt: it won't change |
| 18:31.04 | kunal | well nkuttler- where can i start |
| 18:31.09 | abrotman | bananahands: i was near you a few weeks ago ... |
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| 18:31.21 | stew | toshiba510cdt: nothing related to sound support should change between the two versions |
| 18:31.21 | nkuttler | kunal: identify the card |
| 18:31.40 | stew | toshiba510cdt: your probablem is that the oss mixer doesn't work? |
| 18:31.47 | kunal | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.51 | valdyn | bananahands: hdparm works |
| 18:31.51 | bananahands | abrotman: oh? |
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| 18:32.24 | valdyn | bananahands: /dev/disk/by-id/ works too |
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| 18:32.41 | solars | hi, does anyone has information about that keypress bug that makes synergy unusable on unstable? |
| 18:32.41 | nkuttler | kunal: never had one. google card + linux |
| 18:32.48 | kunal | ok. |
| 18:32.51 | kunal | will try that |
| 18:32.52 | kunal | thanks |
| 18:32.52 | abrotman | bananahands: i went to Christina's i think it's called |
| 18:33.06 | toshiba510cdt | stew, so how can i fix my sound mixer problem, then? |
| 18:33.20 | abrotman | bananahands: and the Quabbin |
| 18:33.24 | stew | toshiba510cdt: does alsamixer work? |
| 18:33.27 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: you dont have a sound mixer problem, you have a no sound problem |
| 18:33.34 | bananahands | abrotman: perhaps you are mistaking me for someone else, who also has bananas for hands |
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| 18:33.45 | abrotman | bananahands: based on your hostmask |
| 18:33.45 | DavidProck1981 | when you install lenny , if you do an expert install, for the drivers if you select the "targeted" then later when you pick your kernel version and it sets it up, does it determine special settings you need for your video card and set them? |
| 18:33.51 | nkuttler | toshiba510cdt: when did your sound stop working? |
| 18:34.00 | dec3pti0n | anyone here has installed lenny netinst on an hp DL585 G2 ? |
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| 18:34.40 | dec3pti0n | this thing is just hanging ..amd64 one ... the i686 worked just fine and quick |
| 18:34.48 | toshiba510cdt | stew, alsamixer does not work |
| 18:34.52 | toshiba510cdt | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 18:35.08 | bananahands | abrotman: "Quabbin"? |
| 18:35.40 | abrotman | bananahands: Quabbin reservoir .. a few miles east of you (based on your hostmask) |
| 18:36.00 | abrotman | gives up :) |
| 18:36.18 | toshiba510cdt | nkuttler, i do not remember having played any music on my laptop since i did a fresh install of lenny |
| 18:36.54 | nkuttler | toshiba510cdt: maybe you're missing the firmware for your card? |
| 18:37.15 | lymeca | Pioneer Valley for the win! |
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| 18:37.44 | jelly-home | nkuttler: it's an isa card on a p133 notebook |
| 18:37.50 | nkuttler | ah |
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| 18:38.11 | nkuttler | well, that card could very well be broken |
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| 18:38.29 | hanibana | hi all :) |
| 18:38.59 | jelly-home | toshiba510cdt: did you paste the various /proc/* thingies asked for? |
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| 18:39.40 | enouf | how about the dpkg -l thingies as well (for the 3rd and last time) |
| 18:39.40 | robd | Hey guys |
| 18:39.47 | toshiba510cdt | yes i did! ask enouf |
| 18:40.10 | robd | I'm trying to find a x86 Etch install cd and I can't find it for the life of me... I know Lenny was just released but where are the etch archives? (I've found everything earlier, but not etch...) |
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| 18:40.40 | toshiba510cdt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.41 | dpkg | No packages found matching will let you know all packages i installed on my laptop, right? do you need that info |
| 18:40.46 | enouf | <toshiba510cdt> enouf, output of dmesg : http://pastebin.ca/1397453 <toshiba510cdt> enouf, output of /proc/interrupts: http://pastebin.ca/1397459 <toshiba510cdt> enouf, output of /proc/iomem http://pastebin.ca/139747<toshiba510cdt> enouf, output of /proc/ioports http://pastebin.ca/13974721 |
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| 18:41.20 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: i asked you for status of hal, dbus-1 and pnputils |
| 18:41.36 | robd | Is anyone here running Etch? |
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| 18:42.26 | justin | robd: google debian-400-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 18:42.45 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, hal, dbus and pnputils are installed |
| 18:42.57 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: also jelly-home asked you for lsmod output and something else; but also show cat /proc/asound/{cards,modules} |
| 18:43.03 | Kamusin | anyone have a guide to reduce a minimal debian installation?, I have already install localepurge and deborphan , but I need more free space for my 1 GB hard disk |
| 18:43.08 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: all say "ii" ? |
| 18:43.11 | robd | justin: Actually just found it here: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
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| 18:43.17 | robd | justin: But thanks for the suggestion :) |
| 18:43.29 | justin | that works too :) |
| 18:43.48 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, yes all say "ii" |
| 18:43.49 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: dbus is old, i asked about dbus-1 |
| 18:44.01 | toshiba510cdt | oh! |
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| 18:44.44 | chrivers | Hey. I'm maintaining a python package. It uses pycentral to fit python2.4 and python2.5 |
| 18:44.45 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: when you installed, did you use tasksel at all to install gnome? did you atleast select "Standard"? |
| 18:44.48 | chrivers | Previously, I compiled the package on my debian-etch build server, which worked great on etch, lenny and the ubuntus |
| 18:45.00 | chrivers | now, I upgraded the buildserver to lenny, and the package builds fine, but now only installs on lenny and recent ubuntus! |
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| 18:45.03 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: s/gnome/Desktop |
| 18:45.08 | chrivers | I've identified the problem |
| 18:45.31 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, i did not install gnome |
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| 18:46.11 | enouf | jelly-home: /me correvting prior info; <toshiba510cdt> enouf, output of /proc/iomem http://pastebin.ca/1397471 |
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| 18:46.20 | toshiba510cdt | i think i installed the base system and the used the package manager to install X and the rest of apps i wanted |
| 18:46.25 | hanibana | I'm using virtualbox in Lenny. How can I change the control or theme of my vbox: http://i41.tinypic.com/dfvcp4.jpg ; I mean those ugly buttons, tabs, ... |
| 18:46.40 | hanibana | and other controls. |
| 18:47.05 | hanibana | some applications have such apperance |
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| 18:47.13 | hanibana | How can I change it? |
| 18:47.50 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | grep -i standard | wc -l says? |
| 18:48.37 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: replace wc -l with less for some info about packages installed with Priority Standard |
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| 18:49.38 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: and my bad, it |
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| 18:49.51 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: and my bad, it's dbus-1 that's old, not dbus |
| 18:50.21 | senc | hi guys, this is a silly question and has nothing to do with debian, but I am desperate searching for this: What is normally the duration of a PhD program in the US in the field of computer science if you are a Masters Graduate?? |
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| 18:50.42 | enouf | 42 years |
| 18:50.48 | salvin | enouf, grep ^standard |
| 18:50.49 | enouf | runs |
| 18:51.08 | enouf | salvin: why? it doesn't matter |
| 18:51.21 | senc | 42 years, lol :) seriously, 3, 4 ,5 years? |
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| 18:52.19 | sepult | all PhD's take something between 3 and 5 years |
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| 18:52.25 | salvin | enouf, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=standard&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 18:52.44 | enouf | salvin: and that would only work because i have -f='${Priority} as first in column output of all 3 |
| 18:52.48 | senc | thanks |
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| 18:53.33 | enouf | senc: i believe some sort of thesis paper is involved eventually ;0 |
| 18:53.41 | ganimo | hey guys! |
| 18:53.55 | kenjy | how can I use grep to show all the lines who have uppercase chars? |
| 18:53.58 | salvin | enouf, no |
| 18:54.04 | enouf | salvin: yes |
| 18:54.12 | chfwiggum | senc: for further information read phdcomics |
| 18:54.17 | senc | lol |
| 18:54.19 | enouf | heh |
| 18:54.33 | nkuttler | kenjy: -E should do |
| 18:54.42 | enouf | kenjy: egrep [A-Z] ? |
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| 18:54.51 | kenjy | enouf: tnks |
| 18:55.40 | kenjy | enouf: why it don't work with fgrep? $ cat img |fgrep [A-Z] don't show nothing and egrep does |
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| 18:56.20 | enouf | man grep ;-) -E means for extended regex whereas -F is for exact matches? |
| 18:56.41 | salvin | enouf, try: echo "optional gnu-standards install on installed" | grep -i standard |
| 18:56.45 | enouf | kenjy: no need for cat |
| 18:57.01 | kenjy | enouf: I have a file who have all the lines |
| 18:57.30 | kenjy | enouf: I wan't the lines who have uppercase chars |
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| 18:57.36 | enouf | salvin: your point? i used mine in the context of wc -l |
| 18:57.37 | merlin83 | hi, is it possible to create a ramdisk that is > sizeof ram? i.e. allowing the ramdisk to swap (if necessary) to disk |
| 18:57.39 | chrivers | the new python-pycentral moves files into /usr/lib/pyshared instead of /usr/lib/pycentral |
| 18:57.44 | chrivers | but this breaks backwards-compat. Any ideas how to fix this? |
| 18:57.48 | chrivers | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.55 | chrivers | not* |
| 18:57.59 | chrivers | I'll accept any ideas :) |
| 18:58.03 | salvin | enouf, nothing |
| 18:58.16 | OpenTokix | chrivers: symlink? |
| 18:58.37 | chrivers | OpenTokix: I can't. I install the python files into /usr/lib/python2.4 |
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| 18:58.50 | chrivers | OpenTokix: then pyshared moves them into the shared dir |
| 18:58.55 | chrivers | that's how it's supposed to work |
| 18:59.00 | nkuttler | chrivers: there's something like #debian-dev on oftc |
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| 18:59.03 | OpenTokix | oki |
| 18:59.09 | chrivers | anyone else? :) |
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| 18:59.54 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, the result is 68 |
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| 19:00.56 | senc | thankssw |
| 19:01.17 | enouf | salvin: might you have meant; ~$ echo "optional gnu-standards install on installed" | grep ^standard (to see how what i said only would work because each line would indeed be attached to/sart with 'standard' because of my ordering of the dpkg-query command .. specifically the ".... -f='${Priority} ... " part) |
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| 19:01.39 | enouf | er s/would/would not |
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| 19:02.03 | enouf | gah .. you know what i mean |
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| 19:02.12 | sepult_ | fuck ya adobe |
| 19:02.18 | jetscreamer | so sid, less borked.. anybody else? |
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| 19:02.22 | sepult_ | it's caught the cold again |
| 19:02.22 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: not too shabby, 94 here |
| 19:02.28 | bobstay | jetscreamer: yes, me! |
| 19:02.34 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 19:02.40 | jetscreamer | ok it's not just me, as usual |
| 19:02.47 | bobstay | less <filename> does nothing ? |
| 19:02.48 | jetscreamer | installed most for the duration |
| 19:02.54 | jetscreamer | correct.. well shows nothing |
| 19:02.54 | bobstay | but cat <filename> |less works fine? |
| 19:03.06 | bobstay | yes, I straced it: http://mainmast.dyndns.org/rubbish/strace.dump |
| 19:03.09 | jetscreamer | more, most, nano... all work, less doesn't |
| 19:03.22 | enouf | jetscreamer: update-alternatives --config pager? |
| 19:03.25 | bobstay | doesn't appear to try to open the file, but does grab 4 bytes from /dev/urandom for no apparent reason |
| 19:03.28 | justin | bobstay: did you setup lesspipe? |
| 19:03.30 | jetscreamer | at first i thought my file was magically empty |
| 19:03.38 | bobstay | justin: what's lesspipe? |
| 19:03.39 | enouf | got any aliases that might be interfering jetscreamer |
| 19:03.47 | jetscreamer | enouf: less functions, but shows nothing |
| 19:03.58 | bobstay | jetscreamer: yes, I had a minor panic about that when several important system files showed up as empty :P |
| 19:04.00 | jetscreamer | hit q to exit |
| 19:04.11 | justin | bobstay: man lesspipe |
| 19:04.13 | enouf | jetscreamer: offset / columns issue? press > and < ...? |
| 19:04.34 | jetscreamer | enouf: worked fine, then didn't .. i'll check just to see though |
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| 19:05.05 | bobstay | reads |
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| 19:05.27 | justin | if that is setup on your machine it could be having an issue with the file you are trying to read |
| 19:05.39 | bobstay | it appears to be installed |
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| 19:06.12 | justin | bobstay: do env | grep LESS, if LESSOPEN shows up, you have it configured |
| 19:06.28 | jetscreamer | lessopen |
| 19:06.36 | bobstay | I do. But less is doing this for all files, including boring plain text files |
| 19:06.41 | jetscreamer | lessopen does what |
| 19:06.51 | jetscreamer | yes, btw less is borked guys |
| 19:07.01 | jetscreamer | so it make-kpkg --initrd |
| 19:07.08 | jetscreamer | s/it/is/ |
| 19:07.15 | justin | jetscreamer: sid? |
| 19:07.16 | jetscreamer | so are the kernel-headers.. |
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| 19:07.17 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 19:08.05 | bobstay | I guess I chose a bad time to dist-upgrade... |
| 19:08.20 | justin | ah, i is related to lesspipe though :) |
| 19:08.23 | jetscreamer | well, most still works.. so does more |
| 19:08.29 | justin | that is the only thing that would make less foo different from cat foo|less |
| 19:08.34 | justin | unset LESSOPEN and it'll work |
| 19:08.49 | bobstay | justin: you're right, it does. |
| 19:09.01 | jetscreamer | if you unset it, how do you re- set it |
| 19:09.14 | justin | it is set from the shell, in bashrc or such |
| 19:09.29 | jetscreamer | like an alias? or what |
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| 19:10.13 | jetscreamer | [ -x /usr/bin/lesspipe ] && eval "$(lesspipe)" |
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| 19:11.52 | jetscreamer | i type 'unset lessopen' ... do less.. same, here. |
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| 19:12.29 | jetscreamer | capitalizes it |
| 19:12.55 | jetscreamer | works now yes |
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| 19:19.00 | the_sniff | which kernel version solves this http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/34405 exploit on stable? |
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| 19:22.20 | jetscreamer | probably the .26-2 |
| 19:22.34 | jetscreamer | since that's the new security update |
| 19:22.53 | jetscreamer | but i'm not positive |
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| 19:24.29 | piper69 | if i have for example the first initials of my full name , and for example sake lets say it is L a r r y! is it possible i can have linux generate all possible combination of these leters? |
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| 19:25.12 | jelly-home | piper69: linux the kernel no, but any of the languages that can run on a GNU/Linux OS, sure |
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| 19:27.12 | jelly-home | judd: info libmath-combinatorics-perl |
| 19:27.14 | judd | jelly-home: libmath-combinatorics-perl (perl): is optional; Version: 0.09-3; Size: 17.6k; Installed: 52k -- Perform combinations and permutations on lists |
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| 19:28.14 | behanw | piper69: apt-get install an; man an |
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| 19:34.34 | Metatron | its old and i dont trusst frame buffers |
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| 19:41.52 | NativeAngels | anyone else know of the gnome-panel go missing in debian lenny |
| 19:41.54 | sepult | khaije1: #linux maybe |
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| 19:47.24 | enouf | justin: echo $VAR should list whether or not any variable is set, such as $LESSOPEN? so echo $LESSOPEN should list it, or return something, as should possibly env/printenv ? |
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| 19:47.38 | freaky_t | is there any security risk if i have two users with the same uid? |
| 19:47.41 | enouf | justin: or .. is that part of SHELLOPTS ? |
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| 19:47.54 | freaky_t | or is it ok to have two users with the same uid? |
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| 19:48.42 | jetscreamer | i don't think you can have two users with the same uid can you |
| 19:48.47 | Sero | I came across some posts that said iSCSI doesn't work for debian on AMD64 -- does anyone know if this still is true? |
| 19:48.48 | enouf | sepult: fwiw, it's ##linux, with 2 hashes - just cause it's unofficial and the #linux one would go to linus should he want it/claim it |
| 19:49.03 | enouf | jetscreamer: i think not |
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| 19:49.18 | sepult | enouf: sorry but normally you get redirected even if you type in # just one slash |
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| 19:49.27 | jetscreamer | but if you could, they would essentially be the same user, permission wise, imo |
| 19:49.39 | enouf | sepult: ahh yes, that does happen quite often - sometimes not though |
| 19:49.52 | sepult | hrmmm maybe |
| 19:49.55 | justin | enouf: oh, yeah, echo $LESSOPEN works just as well :) |
| 19:50.10 | enouf | justin: bravo .. thanks for the confirmation |
| 19:50.13 | justin | enouf: I forgot the var name at first so I just did env|grep less |
| 19:50.21 | bpun | freaky_t, uid's are unique, so only 1 user will be used.. |
| 19:50.22 | enouf | heh |
| 19:50.34 | enouf | grep -i less :-P |
| 19:50.51 | justin | enouf: either work |
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| 19:51.15 | freaky_t | bpun i mean usermod -ou |
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| 19:51.42 | bpun | freaky_t, man usermod |
| 19:51.48 | freaky_t | jetscreamer u can - usermod -ou .. -o stands for non-unique |
| 19:51.51 | freaky_t | bpun? |
| 19:52.08 | freaky_t | bpun i know what that does ... |
| 19:52.09 | bpun | freaky_t, that's a command |
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| 19:52.19 | bpun | freaky_t, then read what it says about -u |
| 19:52.25 | freaky_t | bpun -o stands for non-unique and -u stands for change uid ;D |
| 19:52.29 | freaky_t | ok |
| 19:52.57 | enouf | justin: not here, and that's why when jetscreamer unset lessopen (lowercase) it did nothing, but when he used UPPERCASE, it worked? anyways - not trying to argue, and i have to split now |
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| 19:53.13 | freaky_t | it says nothing that it would be a security risk or anything |
| 19:53.24 | bpun | freaky_t, what are u trying to setup? |
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| 19:54.12 | freaky_t | bpun im using syscp and i also want to have seperate shell users but some of my shell users want to be able to edit their files using vi and i cant add them to the same group so i decided to give those shell users the same uid as their syscp account so they can edit their files |
| 19:56.03 | jetscreamer | just put them in the syscp group or whatever and make the files/dirs group writeable? |
| 19:56.11 | foetus | evening - i've successfully tested the new 2.6.29-3 squeeze-kernel few minutes ago, the fastest kernel ever seen, nice work! |
| 19:56.28 | freaky_t | jetscreamer syscp users are users from a mysql table ... |
| 19:56.37 | freaky_t | i have it set up using libns |
| 19:56.43 | freaky_t | and nscd |
| 19:56.44 | bolt | is there anything packaged with debian that'll convert movies to a sony psp compatible format? |
| 19:56.45 | jetscreamer | beyond me then |
| 19:57.02 | jetscreamer | bolt: mencoder, avidemux, lots of others |
| 19:57.04 | jetscreamer | !dmm |
| 19:57.04 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 19:57.06 | jetscreamer | get that |
| 19:57.35 | jetscreamer | avidemux even has an auto preset for psp |
| 19:57.37 | Sero | !iscsi |
| 19:57.40 | sepult | oh he has converted |
| 19:57.41 | bolt | cool |
| 19:57.45 | bolt | grabbing it |
| 19:57.48 | sepult | now it's called Islamic Marillat |
| 19:57.51 | sepult | lol |
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| 19:58.16 | jetscreamer | i used the psp setting to put rob zombie on my palm. worked great. |
| 19:58.30 | jetscreamer | think i edited the final size though |
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| 19:58.55 | sepult | picking good names for ones not existing |
| 19:59.02 | sepult | lol |
| 19:59.10 | foetus | but better leave this Kconfig hacking alone, i must always uncheck by editing :-D |
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| 20:00.05 | jetscreamer | stock kernel borked out for me. so i changed to UUID in menu.lst and fstab. worked. then i changed back. still worked. i don't get it. |
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| 20:01.51 | foetus | special point: force feedback devices, APM and Kernel hacking. But -- the kernel is working very fast. :) |
| 20:03.24 | the_sniff | Current status: 26 updates [-267] |
| 20:03.29 | foetus | good work, however. |
| 20:03.31 | the_sniff | what does the -267 mean? |
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| 20:04.17 | jetscreamer | i don't know. i'm going to guess it would be 267 if you did a dist upgrade. or, maybe you only have 26 out of 267 available updates |
| 20:04.29 | jetscreamer | no idea where did you get the # |
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| 20:04.40 | foetus | i hope, 2.6.29 is replacing 2.6.26 in the next few months. |
| 20:04.44 | the_sniff | hmm but what does the minus mean? |
| 20:04.54 | the_sniff | removals? |
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| 20:04.58 | jetscreamer | remember, i'm just guessing wildly |
| 20:05.06 | OpenTokix | foetus: not in stable |
| 20:05.18 | foetus | :-/ |
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| 20:06.53 | jetscreamer | *why* would 2.6.26-2 AND 2.6.29-3 bork out finding the root device to mount. 2.6.26-1 working fine though. THEN i change to UUID, .29 WORKS... i change BACK FROM UUID, and it STILL works. wtf. |
| 20:07.37 | jetscreamer | of course, i did --purge them a few times and reinstalled |
| 20:07.47 | jetscreamer | and didn't put the -2 back |
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| 20:08.09 | jetscreamer | i shoulda imaged the damn thing and sent it to the maintainer |
| 20:08.17 | jetscreamer | ah well... bye |
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| 20:10.19 | miksuh | this is off topic, but things are getting really sick here in EU if this is true |
| 20:10.30 | miksuh | read this, and spread the word |
| 20:10.39 | miksuh | http://www.blackouteurope.eu/ |
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| 20:11.21 | foetus | OpenTokix: i see no enthusiasm for developing the 2.6.26 series further for the next few months..or years .. if you see the 2.6.29 working. 2.6.26 could never reach this level, imho. |
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| 20:11.51 | marth | hello I have the latest Debian and I have a problem: my numlock doesn't work anymore; I can switch it on and off but it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 20:11.53 | miksuh | foetus: read that, it might mean end of the internet as we know it |
| 20:11.56 | OpenTokix | foetus: ok |
| 20:12.01 | stew | miksuh: please keep it on-toipc |
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| 20:13.30 | foetus | OpenTokix, miksuh: but you must know it better, maybe. I see it from my point of viewing things. |
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| 20:14.04 | miksuh | well if you don'ät want to know, then don't be surprised if EU desices to end the free internet. they are going to vote 5th of MAY 2009. It would hard debian too as anyone else |
| 20:14.13 | OpenTokix | foetus: I guess we don't. Stable is stable, maybe some stuff will get backported and patched and we will see a lenny and a half or something |
| 20:14.26 | miksuh | hard = harm |
| 20:14.28 | Brack101 | what do I have to enable/install to allow XDMCP? |
| 20:14.49 | Zharf | hmm |
| 20:15.29 | foetus | OpenTokix: why not..2.6.29 is brandnew stuff, give it time.. |
| 20:15.30 | marth | anyone? :| |
| 20:15.32 | OpenTokix | Brack101: you enable it from gdm |
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| 20:15.38 | valdyn | miksuh: why should it be illegal to provide limited internet? |
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| 20:15.51 | OpenTokix | foetus: how many servers are you runnign your debian stable on? |
| 20:16.10 | Brack101 | OpenTokix: one of the administration applets? |
| 20:16.27 | OpenTokix | Brack101: huh? no idea |
| 20:17.02 | Brack101 | OpenTokix: gdm.conf? Where is the option? |
| 20:17.03 | miksuh | valdyn: not provide, they are going to force everyone to limited internet |
| 20:17.10 | foetus | OpenTokix: at this time - none :), i'm running oldstable.. |
| 20:17.12 | OpenTokix | Brack101: man page can show you |
| 20:17.16 | OpenTokix | foetus: ok |
| 20:17.19 | valdyn | miksuh: thats nonsense |
| 20:17.32 | miksuh | no it is not |
| 20:17.48 | miksuh | I hope it is though |
| 20:17.59 | valdyn | miksuh: yes it is, not even that site writes that, they write : "Under the proposed new rules, broadband providerswill be legally able to limit the number of websites youcan look at." |
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| 20:18.44 | valdyn | miksuh: im not at all sure what this turmoil is about, as this is already being done everywhere |
| 20:18.52 | valdyn | miksuh: aol being one that does it |
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| 20:21.08 | valdyn | to be precise, AOL do it for smtp, not for http traffic, but thats no different to me |
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| 20:22.18 | foetus | OpenTokix: So i can make such things, some would say, it makes no sense, but i can rely on it. There is a stable system. |
| 20:22.20 | kunal113 | hello. does anyone know where i can find manual for vga installation? |
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| 20:22.38 | kunal113 | i need to learn how to install vga. |
| 20:22.39 | valdyn | kunal113: whats "vga installation" ? |
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| 20:22.50 | valdyn | kunal113: for your school homework? |
| 20:22.54 | valdyn | kunal113: this is a silly idea |
| 20:22.59 | valdyn | kunal113: vga is 20 years old |
| 20:23.00 | kunal113 | i mean to install my graphic card- as in to watch movie and multi-screen |
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| 20:23.33 | kunal113 | my /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt show much on it. |
| 20:23.50 | valdyn | kunal113: aptitude install xorg, then run startx |
| 20:23.57 | kunal113 | ok. |
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| 20:24.19 | valdyn | kunal113: or maybe you really want "aptitude install xorg gnome gdm" |
| 20:24.30 | valdyn | kunal113: or "aptitude install xorg gnome kde", whatever |
| 20:24.34 | kunal113 | valdyn: is there any refrence material i can look up on this? |
| 20:24.43 | kunal113 | refrence |
| 20:24.46 | valdyn | kunal113: i dont know where you are beginning at |
| 20:24.57 | kunal113 | beginner? |
| 20:25.03 | kunal113 | like from scratch |
| 20:25.12 | valdyn | kunal113: you want a somewhat standard desktop run "aptitude install xorg gdm gnome" |
| 20:25.19 | kunal113 | ok |
| 20:25.21 | gravity | Or just use tasksel |
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| 20:25.55 | kunal113 | thanks guys :) |
| 20:27.32 | ranamalo | I'm having an issue with a couple bridges. They decided to enter in disabled state |
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| 20:28.02 | ranamalo | I'm running xen and the just failed, and I'm not sure what is going on |
| 20:28.48 | dustybin | FAIL. |
| 20:29.10 | Metatron | how on earth under lenny do you make xserver reconfigure, my xorg.conf got hosed, it has no entries for the monitor or the video, just keyboard and mouse... X -configure dosesnt work, xorgwiazrd, xconfig, debconf, or dpkg-reconfigure all do nothing |
| 20:29.13 | the_sniff | where do i get mysql.so? |
| 20:29.15 | the_sniff | for php4 |
| 20:29.19 | Metatron | there is no backujp |
| 20:29.21 | Metatron | backup |
| 20:30.14 | abrotman | the_sniff: for which version of debian? |
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| 20:30.25 | abrotman | Metatron: it's supposed to be empty |
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| 20:31.34 | ranamalo | I tried ifup ifdown didn't work, then I tried unplugging the network cable from the switch and plugging it back in. That worked for on of the bridges but not the other |
| 20:31.54 | the_sniff | abrotman lenny, but i copied it from another server where aptitude didn't delete it lol |
| 20:32.25 | abrotman | the_sniff: there is no php4 in lenny |
| 20:32.34 | the_sniff | hmm |
| 20:32.35 | the_sniff | werid |
| 20:32.38 | the_sniff | weird |
| 20:32.43 | the_sniff | i have it running :o |
| 20:32.46 | Metatron | no, when i first installed it had correct entries for the video card, now with it empy x wont start |
| 20:33.00 | abrotman | the_sniff: anyways .. it would be php4-mysql .. but lenny doesn't have that package |
| 20:33.08 | abrotman | Metatron: did the machine start as etch? |
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| 20:33.15 | Metatron | no lineey 5 cd |
| 20:33.17 | Metatron | lenny |
| 20:33.20 | the_sniff | yeah i tried that thought i was wrong |
| 20:33.22 | abrotman | gives pseubodot a love tap |
| 20:33.39 | abrotman | Metatron: the X system is supposed to auto-guess now |
| 20:33.48 | Metatron | maybe if i delete xorg.conf |
| 20:34.05 | Metatron | there auto guess idea is a brain fart |
| 20:34.09 | Metatron | trier |
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| 20:34.12 | Metatron | their |
| 20:34.12 | foetus | try dexconf for X, it makes a statically xorg.conf to start the X Window Sytem in an consistent state..then you can figure it out |
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| 20:34.27 | Metatron | ok ill try dexconf |
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| 20:34.37 | gravity | dexconf isn't what you run |
| 20:34.52 | gravity | It gets run by the dpkg-reconfigure script, and will do less for you |
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| 20:35.56 | foetus | he has deleted xorg.conf, and he is needing a new one, so dexconf is the right thing. |
| 20:36.32 | gravity | shrugs |
| 20:36.40 | gravity | It won't do anything more than running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:37.21 | Metatron | Xorg -configure dit it |
| 20:37.35 | Metatron | put a new file in root folder |
| 20:37.44 | foetus | why not :) |
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| 20:39.14 | foetus | ok, lets work. |
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| 20:41.32 | Metatron | ugg x till wont start, i fooled around with a utility called fbset, is when my woos started |
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| 20:42.03 | sepult | acheopteryx |
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| 20:42.06 | sepult | a punk bird |
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| 20:42.59 | abrotman | sepult: i think you want #debian-offtopic |
| 20:43.12 | sepult | abrotman: oh what's goin on there ? |
| 20:43.32 | Metatron | but i was certain it didnt write any values anywhere, |
| 20:44.59 | Zharf | wishes there was a good alternative to gnome-power-damager |
| 20:45.12 | Zharf | considers writing one |
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| 20:46.28 | sepult | powertweak ? |
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| 20:47.19 | Zharf | sepult, what's thaht then, apt-cache search shows nothing |
| 20:47.23 | ranamalo | are there any network bridging gurus around? |
| 20:47.33 | sepult | Zharf: really ? |
| 20:47.39 | Zharf | sepult, really |
| 20:48.00 | sepult | Zharf: lspowertweak, i have it installed on lenny |
| 20:48.14 | sepult | Zharf: 3 packages |
| 20:48.22 | Zharf | I'm on sid |
| 20:48.26 | Zharf | no such package |
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| 20:49.01 | sepult | Zharf: no wonder then |
| 20:49.09 | Zharf | why's that :) |
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| 20:49.43 | sepult | Zharf: i don't think that it's unstable |
| 20:49.44 | sepult | lol |
| 20:49.54 | Zharf | <.< |
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| 20:50.34 | bahram | how to compile assembly source with X86 ? |
| 20:50.42 | Zharf | I wonder why it was removed |
| 20:51.28 | stew | Zharf: see #515588 |
| 20:52.08 | Zharf | ah |
| 20:52.14 | Zharf | understandable |
| 20:52.18 | sepult | lol |
| 20:52.21 | Zharf | but gnome-power-manager is still crap |
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| 20:53.24 | deb-eater | Zharf: Looks like you might have to do some diging on google linux |
| 20:53.38 | Zharf | deb-eater, for what? |
| 20:53.40 | gravity | Zharf: What don't you like about g-p-m? |
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| 20:53.54 | Zharf | gravity, too many bugs |
| 20:54.04 | Zharf | and dependencies |
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| 20:54.12 | Zharf | I don't use gnome |
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| 20:54.32 | gravity | Well, "too many bugs" is very non-specific. The latter... yeah. |
| 20:54.34 | deb-eater | Zharf: How to related to getting lspowertweek working under sid |
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| 20:54.46 | gravity | There's a reason I use gnome, and it's because it gives you all the little extras like that. |
| 20:54.50 | Zharf | deb-eater, nah i don't need to do that |
| 20:55.00 | coldboot | Is there a way to get the name of the package being operated on from within a postrm script? |
| 20:55.03 | gpm | all the extra little bugs? |
| 20:55.07 | Zharf | :) |
| 20:55.16 | Zharf | gravity, I only use terminals pretty much |
| 20:55.24 | deb-eater | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.26 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | im going to the newest version of iceweasel in squeeze and its downloading lie 50 packages through aptitude' |
| 20:55.28 | Metatron | something is wrong with x or gdm, when i book i get a console logon, to gdm, would a reinstall of gdm help? |
| 20:55.37 | Metatron | when i boot not book |
| 20:55.49 | valdyn | Metatron: what is "a console logon to gdm" ? |
| 20:56.07 | Zharf | I think his gdm doesn't start up |
| 20:56.08 | Zharf | :) |
| 20:56.12 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | bunch of openoffice stuff |
| 20:56.14 | deb-eater | Metatron: Most likely or a pastebin of your xorg.conf filee |
| 20:56.18 | Metatron | not gdm i meant, i have a new keyboard its mushy |
| 20:56.22 | valdyn | im sure it starts if its installed |
| 20:56.39 | valdyn | and it also gives more or less useful error messages, always |
| 20:56.42 | FredZ | Is there an ftp server that can operate name based virtual host in a similar manner to apache? |
| 20:56.55 | valdyn | FredZ: ftp is not http |
| 20:57.09 | FredZ | I am aware of that |
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| 20:57.16 | valdyn | FredZ: and that protocol is where the virtual host thing happens |
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| 20:58.03 | valdyn | FredZ: just avoid http, imo |
| 20:58.11 | valdyn | FredZ: just avoid *ftp*, imo |
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| 20:58.31 | Zharf | gravity, gnome-power-manager has prevented me from suspending before, it was fixed and now it does it again :) |
| 20:58.59 | FredZ | OK, so from that comment I can assume that the protocol doesn't support what I want. Thats OK. OI was just trying to avoid having to purchase extra IP just for ftp. |
| 20:59.07 | gravity | Zharf: So it does work now? |
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| 20:59.36 | valdyn | FredZ: i also said you dont need ftp, but thats your decision obviously |
| 20:59.43 | Zharf | gravity, no I can't suspend if I use it |
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| 21:00.23 | valdyn | Zharf: why would s2ram stop working if you use gpm? |
| 21:00.28 | valdyn | Zharf: doesnt make sense at all |
| 21:00.34 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | when i run flash in a tab in iceweasel flash quits working anyone had that issue? |
| 21:00.37 | FredZ | <valdyn> OK, not being all that tech savvy you will have to explain that comment. |
| 21:00.42 | sepult | it's an inherent feature of the kernel |
| 21:00.50 | sepult | uups |
| 21:00.58 | sepult | wrong window |
| 21:01.05 | abrotman | amd64deb-2-6-24: lots of people .. flash on linux is awful |
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| 21:01.16 | valdyn | FredZ: you can do all file serving uploading etc and whatever you want to do with ftp also just with apache |
| 21:01.35 | Metatron | ok gdm was brokenreinstall fixed |
| 21:01.37 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | is gnash better? |
| 21:01.46 | _Maru_ | can I upgrade 1 application to unstable while leaving the rest of them in testing? |
| 21:01.52 | valdyn | FredZ: ftp is ancient, i dont know why its surviving still, maybe its name is just to good "file transfer protocol" |
| 21:01.54 | Zharf | valdyn, I don't know, if I kill g-p-m, the suspend workks fine |
| 21:02.05 | Zharf | valdyn, there's many bug reports on the bug tracker aboout it |
| 21:02.06 | FredZ | <valdyn> excellent. I will go read the docs some more. |
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| 21:02.18 | NativeAngels | any of you had probs with the gnome-panel missing on debian lenny |
| 21:02.56 | valdyn | FredZ: the "difference" is that in apache you would set up a website that does this file transfer stuff, while ftp does it "directly" |
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| 21:03.07 | madsara | . |
| 21:03.12 | Metatron | im trying to get 1024x768 on the grub menu and gdm login, i am going to hook this box to a tv that only sees that resolution, if i cant get grub menu to that reslution, the tv will not display anything...what do i need to do, set up frame buffrers, vga=something mayhbe? |
| 21:03.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, that of course is true (new record in delayed answer?) |
| 21:03.14 | valdyn | FredZ: on the bright side that website can be much nicer to use and actually mroe versatile |
| 21:03.20 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | man im hoping this iceweasel update didn't screw me up |
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| 21:03.43 | simNIX | ftp can resume ... |
| 21:03.47 | valdyn | FredZ: thats for uploads, downloads obviouls just work in http |
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| 21:03.58 | valdyn | simNIX: http can resume |
| 21:04.10 | simNIX | im not aware of that ... |
| 21:04.19 | simNIX | ... didnt know |
| 21:05.22 | simNIX | for local I like ftp, for extrernal I let people sftp (jailed in there home) |
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| 21:06.12 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | ok aptitude is hung at 99% with 1s remaining |
| 21:06.29 | abrotman | hit ctrl-c and do it again |
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| 21:07.38 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | ok now i have some files were not downloaded successfully continue or cancel |
| 21:07.48 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | i say cancel |
| 21:07.55 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | am i good to do that? |
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| 21:08.21 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | has aptitude made any changes to anything yet? |
| 21:08.39 | simNIX | if dowmload failed porbably not ... |
| 21:08.51 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | and are these files saved somewhere ? |
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| 21:09.21 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | or is it some type of temp file |
| 21:09.37 | simNIX | they go in /var/cache/apt/archives/ when completely downloaded |
| 21:10.47 | damentz | hey, has anyone noticed problems with gnome in debian unstable? |
| 21:11.00 | damentz | if i hit home folder in places -> home folder, it opens up the find file dialog box |
| 21:11.01 | damentz | wtf? |
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| 21:11.56 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | aptitude makes me crazy i need an IQ injection |
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| 21:12.52 | simNIX | if my Inet conection wont let me get a file then I wont bame aptitude ;0) |
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| 21:13.15 | Yasuo | hiho, i changed the hostname of my lennymachine, edited "hosts" and "hostname", but it cannot ping its own hostname |
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| 21:13.56 | simNIX | Yasuo, did you set you defaut domain to search in resolv.conf ? |
| 21:13.57 | valdyn | Yasuo: then you didnt edit /etc/hosts properly? |
| 21:14.05 | hexoroid | in what package of apt-get does chmod come in.. my chmod is messed up it seg faults |
| 21:14.17 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | im definately not blaming aptitude im blaming my aptitude |
| 21:14.20 | valdyn | hexoroid: anything else that segfaults? |
| 21:14.32 | hexoroid | valdyn updatedb |
| 21:14.43 | valdyn | hexoroid: you have larger issues than a broken chmod |
| 21:14.58 | hexoroid | like.. /usr/bin/updatedb: line 315: 22119 Segmentation fault chmod 644 $LOCATE_DB |
| 21:15.05 | valdyn | hexoroid: ops |
| 21:15.23 | valdyn | hexoroid: dpkg -S `which chmod` |
| 21:15.40 | hexoroid | valdyn coreutils: /bin/chmod |
| 21:15.46 | simNIX | If I have random segfaults memtest is my 1st test ... |
| 21:15.50 | valdyn | hexoroid: guess which package you need then |
| 21:16.02 | Yasuo | valdyn: tahts my hosts-file http://2009.powerkutte.de/hosts simNIX tahts my resolv.conf: http://2009.powerkutte.de/resolv.conf |
| 21:16.15 | hexoroid | valdyn do i need to uninstall or just apt-get install coreutils |
| 21:16.18 | valdyn | Yasuo: what precisely cant you ping? |
| 21:16.30 | simNIX | hosts = error |
| 21:16.41 | nkuttler | hexoroid: install --reinstall, as simNIX said, probably faulty ram |
| 21:16.47 | Yasuo | valdyn: fileisland, sich is the hostname and may cause proftpd not to start |
| 21:16.55 | Yasuo | s/sich/wich/ |
| 21:17.03 | valdyn | Yasuo: can you ping 192.168.0.130 ? |
| 21:17.05 | Siegfried | i have a software that doesn't timeout by itself (it's something i run every X minutes), so i use timeout to kill it after 5 seconds if it didn't finish, but i end up having all my shared memory used |
| 21:17.08 | Siegfried | is there something i can do? |
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| 21:17.17 | Yasuo | 64 bytes from 192.168.0.130: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.22 ms |
| 21:17.18 | simNIX | Yasuo, whats you local domain ? |
| 21:17.29 | Yasuo | simNIX: "localdomain" |
| 21:17.41 | Yasuo | simNIX: is it important? my domain? |
| 21:17.48 | Yasuo | its a NATed VM |
| 21:17.55 | hexoroid | valdyn so apt-get --reinstall coreutils |
| 21:17.58 | nkuttler | Siegfried: um, fix the "software"? |
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| 21:18.04 | simNIX | 192.168.0.130 fileisland.localdomain fileisland should be correct hosts entry then |
| 21:18.05 | {g} | Hey People! Im via ssh on one of my managed servers (logged in as user) and I see that a process called "clamscan" (google says its a virus scanner) eats up 99% of the CPU. the process is owned by root. Can i find out more about that process? if it got started by hand or if its run from a cronjob? |
| 21:18.22 | Siegfried | nkuttler, no other solution? freeing the shared memory or killing it better? lol |
| 21:18.24 | Yasuo | ah XD |
| 21:18.36 | abrotman | {g}: it's probably the mail server |
| 21:18.36 | valdyn | {g}: your smtp server more likely |
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| 21:19.01 | simNIX | Yasuo, is you ping without domain its apended bij resolv.conf defailt domain seting and if in hosts read rom that with domain behind it |
| 21:19.10 | simNIX | ill check you resolv.conf |
| 21:19.10 | {g} | abrotman, valdyn: i dont use a single mail account on that server. what could be going on? |
| 21:19.18 | valdyn | funny how you run a mail server and dont know that its using clamscan |
| 21:19.39 | valdyn | {g}: thats a little hard to guess when i dont know anything else |
| 21:19.44 | spank | hello, i need help on a thing how what ports 35587 and41531 belongs to? |
| 21:19.49 | valdyn | {g}: your mail server surely has a logfile, check it |
| 21:19.56 | simNIX | Yasuo, resolv.conf = ok -> you modified hosts ? |
| 21:20.01 | {g} | ps aux | grep clamscan shows me this: |
| 21:20.02 | hexoroid | simNIX what can i do about faulty ram.. chmod use to be ok before ? |
| 21:20.14 | valdyn | {g}: pstree might be more useful |
| 21:20.17 | {g} | 17:49 /usr/bin/clamscan -ir /usr/www --stdout --no-ole2 --tempdir=/usr/clamscantmp |
| 21:20.25 | abrotman | {g}: just because you don't doesn't mean it doesn't have that setup |
| 21:20.35 | valdyn | {g}: oh, that one looks like a chronjob id think |
| 21:20.48 | Yasuo | simNIX: http://2009.powerkutte.de/hosts correct? 192.168.0.130 fileisland.localdomain fileisland |
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| 21:21.26 | simNIX | hexoroid, memtest can be ran of diskette / cdrom or booted over pxe - I let it run for at least 12 hours - if it gives error then one of your ram modules is bad - if you have several and you get errors remove all but one and retest - broken ram can only be ditched ... |
| 21:21.33 | {g} | valdyn: chronjob id? |
| 21:21.34 | valdyn | {g}: /usr/www is not in debian iirc |
| 21:21.43 | valdyn | {g}: i would, i'd |
| 21:21.45 | abrotman | not that i've seen |
| 21:21.51 | abrotman | {g}: uname -a .. says what? |
| 21:21.59 | valdyn | this isnt debian anyway |
| 21:22.00 | simNIX | Yasuo, yes hosts corrt - now try ping fileisland.localdomain |
| 21:22.10 | simNIX | then ping fileisland |
| 21:22.22 | {g} | abrotman: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem |
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| 21:22.26 | Yasuo | ping: unknown host fileisland.localdomain |
| 21:22.26 | Yasuo | ping: unknown host fileisland |
| 21:22.41 | valdyn | customised debian |
| 21:22.42 | simNIX | hexoroid, http://www.memtest86.com/download.html |
| 21:23.00 | valdyn | {g}: grep -iR clamscan /etc/cron.* |
| 21:23.06 | {g} | looks like the provider scans the whole www dir of that server via cron. |
| 21:23.20 | Yasuo | simNIX: both does not work |
| 21:23.35 | simNIX | Yasuo, maybe on your box its setup that dns is consulted before hosts is all I can think off .. |
| 21:23.43 | simNIX | I forgot in what file you set that ... |
| 21:23.45 | {g} | valdyn: that gives me a couple of "permission denied" |
| 21:23.53 | valdyn | {g}: sure run that command as root |
| 21:24.13 | bstock | ok, so what's the best way to search hundreds of thousands of text files for a certain word... i can do a find and run grep <text> <file>, but it creats a lot of mess and not as easy to identify each file that containst he text |
| 21:24.19 | {g} | valdyn: its a managed server. |
| 21:24.33 | valdyn | {g}: so? |
| 21:24.41 | valdyn | {g}: a managed server where you dont have root? |
| 21:24.58 | valdyn | {g}: one of those things where you can only use some web panel thing? |
| 21:25.11 | stew | bstock: grep -l? |
| 21:25.25 | valdyn | bstock: read the grep manpage |
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| 21:25.57 | Kev001 | hello all |
| 21:26.01 | SparFux | Hi all! MPX of Xorg is still not packaged, right? |
| 21:26.05 | simNIX | Yasuo, pls paste /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 21:26.10 | {g} | valdyn: i use ssh |
| 21:26.12 | abrotman | SparFux: packages.debian.org |
| 21:26.28 | valdyn | {g}: if you dont have root then you cannot fix this |
| 21:26.32 | simNIX | Yasuo, maybe dumb question; but you saved hosts file in unix ? |
| 21:26.33 | valdyn | {g}: so dont bother |
| 21:26.46 | gravity | SparFux: No |
| 21:26.51 | Kev001 | i ahve just installed proftp in ssh on my debian box and all im getting is login incorrect?? can anyone help me |
| 21:26.59 | gravity | SparFux: It's not even in the x.org main branch |
| 21:27.00 | adama_ | really wants to try MPX too |
| 21:27.05 | {g} | valdyn: i dont want to fix something. im just interested in what the provider is doing on my machine. |
| 21:27.10 | SparFux | Ah, that takes ages! |
| 21:27.15 | bstock | heh doh, thx stew/valdyn... seems like i've looked for that option before unsuccessfully... i must just suck ;) |
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| 21:27.23 | valdyn | {g}: hes running clamscan to scan for windows viruses |
| 21:27.25 | gravity | I think it's due to merge in the next server version |
| 21:27.38 | Yasuo | simNIX: yes using vi. http://2009.powerkutte.de/nsswitch.conf (modified by syscp wich also installed bind9 fpr webhosting management) |
| 21:28.01 | {g} | valdyn: looks like he burns through a lot of cpu cycles, scanning through 100gig of data with a virus scanner. i hope that scanner doesnt repeat that for every file every day. |
| 21:28.31 | valdyn | {g}: id have changed provider already |
| 21:28.42 | valdyn | {g}: none of his fucking business if i host windows viruses |
| 21:29.17 | simNIX | Yasuo, my Debian Lenny default one looks lkie this; http://pastebin.com/d4dd54c95 |
| 21:29.18 | abrotman | i don't think clamav does just windows viruses .. but i guess that's kind of irrelevant |
| 21:29.29 | {g} | valdyn: i just noticed it 15 minutes ago. |
| 21:29.42 | valdyn | {g}: yea ^^^, it scans for all kinds of malware, linux viruses too, but irrelevant anyway |
| 21:29.45 | simNIX | specificly the hosts line makes hosts file consulted before dns |
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| 21:31.03 | valdyn | {g}: i would call them, maybe your box is doing something suspicous |
| 21:31.19 | valdyn | {g}: it costs them too if they did that regularily on all their clients |
| 21:31.21 | Yasuo | simNIX: great thank you! |
| 21:31.26 | simNIX | yw |
| 21:32.00 | Yasuo | proftpd finally starts tcp 0 0 *:ftp *:* LISTEN |
| 21:32.25 | {g} | valdyn: they dont answer the phone after office hours. i already sent them an email. |
| 21:32.45 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | are there working viruses written for linux? besides bliss |
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| 21:33.19 | dkr | yes |
| 21:33.52 | {g} | valdyn: why do you think it costs them something? |
| 21:35.15 | esaym | what changed from linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 to linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 ? The changelog uses different version numbers " linux-2.6 (2.6.26-15) " |
| 21:35.47 | valdyn | {g}: you wouldnt be the only one calling, their vms probably share resoucres and these processes are slowing all clients down |
| 21:36.11 | valdyn | {g}: more complaints, less vms per hardware working reliably, it would cost them |
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| 21:36.38 | esaym | basically I have some custom modified modules that no longer work when I upgraded to linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64. I think I have fixed it, this atleast shows that alot was changed in the kernel for this update...just wondering what... |
| 21:37.09 | dondelelcaro | esaym: you'll have to recompile custom modules anyway. |
| 21:38.07 | esaym | dondelelcaro: but I have never had to before? I always just copied them to the proper place... |
| 21:38.11 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, jelly, i am back and still with no sound |
| 21:38.23 | dondelelcaro | esaym: uh... you always have to recompile modules when you have a new kernel version |
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| 21:39.05 | jelly-home | toshiba510cdt: yay you! |
| 21:39.06 | esaym | hmm |
| 21:39.41 | dondelelcaro | unless you're doing something hideously broken, they won't even load if the vermagic doesn't match |
| 21:40.04 | toshiba510cdt | jelly-home, yes me! the newbie with the sound mixer problem |
| 21:40.34 | simNIX | amd64deb-2-6-24, only recent one im aware of is Conficker - but thats more a worm - its targeted to linux routers which are fully open by default on bad firmware, so if its a virus ... |
| 21:40.38 | {g} | valdyn: thats not a vm. its a dedicated server. |
| 21:40.42 | jelly-home | sound mixer? dude, I didn't see your card at all |
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| 21:41.20 | jelly-home | newbies shouldn't mess with obscure hardware |
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| 21:41.58 | jelly-home | classifies any architecture older than 10 years as obscure |
| 21:42.17 | simNIX | even new one from another country could be - ) |
| 21:42.21 | simNIX | aint this fun times |
| 21:43.15 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: uh... isn't that almost every architecture? |
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| 21:43.48 | valdyn | isa soundcard... |
| 21:44.01 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: not in the debian sense |
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| 21:44.34 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.42 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: I'm counting each vendor chipset/cpu generation as an arch. |
| 21:44.45 | dondelelcaro | !tell amd64deb-2-6-24 -about popcon |
| 21:44.48 | toshiba510cdt | jelly-home, the ancient laptop has a built in CS4232 sound chip which was working ok with etch. i did a fresh lenny install and now i have no sound. |
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| 21:44.57 | jelly-home | amd64deb-2-6-24: opera isn't in debian |
| 21:45.35 | jelly-home | toshiba510cdt: well, go back to etch (or its kernel), and note the configuration of the card and the driver used |
| 21:45.42 | simNIX | I think in populatity maybe something like links folowes ff ? |
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| 21:46.40 | valdyn | looks to me like that driver is gone from debian -> card no longer supported |
| 21:46.45 | toshiba510cdt | jelly-home, i am very happy with Lenny. it may seem unbelievable but my laptop is slightly faster with Lenny than with etch |
| 21:47.19 | simNIX | om ibm thinkpad etch was a strugle - lenny works smooth |
| 21:47.19 | toshiba510cdt | jelly-home, i am not going back to etch. no way |
| 21:47.26 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | dondelelcaro thanks for that real cool |
| 21:47.34 | simNIX | with sound I most of the time have to unmute it b4 use |
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| 21:47.53 | jelly-home | toshiba510cdt: I didn't suggest you use that as a permanent solution. |
| 21:48.30 | jelly-home | toshiba510cdt: then again, if you don't want the issue solved, less trouble for me! |
| 21:48.37 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | yeah i guess i worded that bad replace debian with linux |
| 21:48.40 | toshiba510cdt | but i am prepared to install a supported, stable and secure old kernel to have sound back |
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| 21:48.57 | dos000 | where can i get the debian etch netinst cd from ? |
| 21:49.00 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: not possible |
| 21:49.19 | toshiba510cdt | installing etch on this laptop takes 2 hours and some |
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| 21:50.10 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: have you tried finding the appropriate alsa driver? |
| 21:50.23 | toshiba510cdt | and then reinstalling Lenny and having it the way I want takes another 5 hours |
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| 21:50.53 | jelly-home | toshiba510cdt: backups. |
| 21:50.56 | dos000 | no one seems to keep this in the mirrors |
| 21:51.06 | dos000 | they all have lenny |
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| 21:51.35 | jelly-home | (also, debian doesn't have to be reinstalled on every new release) |
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| 21:52.31 | toshiba510cdt | jelly-home, back-up? how? this ancient laptop does not have usb nor ethernet ports. the hd size is 2 gig and i have only 120 MB free left |
| 21:53.13 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: have you written down the irq and io port from that card from etch? |
| 21:53.17 | simNIX | maybe do minimal install + lxde -> ik 300Mb deb's = removed that uses 900Mb |
| 21:53.26 | simNIX | ik=min |
| 21:53.27 | dondelelcaro | dos000: you'll have to build them yourself. The bits for them are in the etch/main/installer-i386/cdrom section |
| 21:53.40 | Yasuo | ok good n8 and thx again simNIX |
| 21:53.50 | jelly-home | toshiba510cdt: if it's an IDE drive, you can connect it to some other machine |
| 21:53.55 | dondelelcaro | dos000: because the images are large and replicate things that are already present, we pretty much don't distribute them. netboot/mini.iso may also work |
| 21:53.59 | toshiba510cdt | valdyn, no. is it something newbies are supposed to do? |
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| 21:54.13 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: everyone using isa cards is supposed to |
| 21:54.18 | simNIX | gladely helped Yasua - sleepwel |
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| 21:54.49 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | 64bit installed on this hp laptop like it wanted to be there i returned an acer laptop because i couldnt get wireless and video working great |
| 21:54.51 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: you could also read the cards documentation to find out |
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| 21:55.14 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: ...which values can work, and from those values we can pick ones not already used by something else easily |
| 21:55.14 | anddam | hello |
| 21:55.23 | anddam | I just installed elisa and got this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/78923 |
| 21:55.23 | toshiba510cdt | jelly-home, i had a core duo laptop which gave up the ghost last week so the ancient Pentium 133 MHz laptop is my only machine now |
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| 21:55.43 | anddam | should I worry about that error? aptitude seems to have completed just fine... |
| 21:55.51 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: but i have the feeling you just want to whine how this doesnt work. |
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| 21:56.00 | jelly-home | toshiba510cdt: oh, don't mess with it then |
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| 21:56.56 | toshiba510cdt | valdyn, i do not want to whine. i just need someone to tell the actual commands i need to execute to have sound working |
| 21:57.23 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: what does "modprobe snd-cs4232" give ? |
| 21:57.29 | sepult | 0-100 FDCA ? |
| 21:57.40 | toshiba510cdt | jelly-home, now you see why going back to etch is not an option |
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| 21:58.54 | ranamalo | anyone here play with brctl? |
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| 21:59.15 | ranamalo | or bridges in xen? |
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| 22:00.10 | toshiba510cdt | upon executing modprobe snd-cs4232 as root i can not get my prompt back |
| 22:00.28 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: get to a new terminal and run dmesg |
| 22:00.39 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: let that modprobe run a little longer anyway |
| 22:01.06 | Phantomas | Hello, I am interested in translating manpages to Greek. Can anyone tell me from where to start? I mean is there any template that i have to translate first or something ? |
| 22:01.28 | jelly-home | toshiba510cdt: not really, this just means you can delay that test until you get a second machine |
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| 22:01.49 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | one more terrible question from amd64deb-2-6-24 to Linux debian 2.6.26-1-amd64 and googleearth crashes x any ideas? i know googleearth is lame but i prospect for gold and it really comes in handy |
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| 22:02.27 | toshiba510cdt | valdyn, dmesg does not say anything about the modprobe problem |
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| 22:02.37 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: whats the last line? |
| 22:02.49 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: is the modprobe still hanging? |
| 22:03.01 | ranamalo | Phantomas: http://translationproject.org/html/welcome.html have you looked at this? |
| 22:03.03 | Sakuya | hrm, is there a problem with kernel-package in sid? |
| 22:03.09 | ryanCH | i did "aticonfig --initial=dual-head" etc... but nothing happend even after i rebooted |
| 22:03.12 | ryanCH | what else can i look at? |
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| 22:03.32 | Sakuya | keeps tryign to "make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image", but its not making an initrd |
| 22:03.35 | toshiba510cdt | valdyn, yes it is still hanging |
| 22:03.53 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: ok, i think we need to figure out which specific soundcard that really is |
| 22:04.00 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: try ctrl-c on that modprobe |
| 22:04.10 | sepult | Sakuya: look at mkinitrd or mkinitramfs-tools |
| 22:04.11 | toshiba510cdt | valdyn, it also hanged earlier today when i run alsaconf |
| 22:04.18 | sepult | Sakuya: it maybe broke |
| 22:04.23 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: thats ok, we dont need or want alsaconf |
| 22:04.35 | sepult | Sakuya: or the links not sane |
| 22:04.40 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: however alsaconf probably did the same thing |
| 22:04.41 | Phantomas | ranamalo: This is the template pot that i have to translate? http://translationproject.org/domain/man-db-manpages.html |
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| 22:04.48 | sepult | Sakuya: pointing to something else maybe... |
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| 22:05.08 | ranamalo | Phantomas: http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/ddtp debian also has their project I think |
| 22:05.21 | drw | please help me with sources.list for package gnarwl for lenny ? |
| 22:05.31 | Sakuya | downgrades kernel-package |
| 22:05.58 | toshiba510cdt | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.04 | drw | somebody can help me ? |
| 22:06.07 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: probably cant |
| 22:06.11 | ranamalo | Phantomas: I think that is the tamplate, but I'm not sure. I've just heard about the project. I'm not an expert |
| 22:06.14 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: not cleanly anyway |
| 22:06.39 | toshiba510cdt | shall i kill -9 the modprobe now? |
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| 22:06.56 | ranamalo | Phantomas: here's info for translators http://translationproject.org/html/translators.html |
| 22:06.59 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: paste the output of "cat /proc/sys/pnp" on a paste site |
| 22:07.04 | themill | dpkg: tell drw about ssb |
| 22:07.16 | themill | drw: you're going to have to make your own package |
| 22:07.17 | justin | toshiba510cdt: it's probably uninterruptable |
| 22:07.35 | drw | really ? |
| 22:07.42 | drw | well... I'll do it |
| 22:08.00 | Phantomas | ranamalo: OK thanks for your help! If there is any place (channel,forum...) where i can ask please let me know :) |
| 22:08.02 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: killing it like that is useless, you will have to reboot later to proceed with experiments |
| 22:08.05 | ranamalo | Phantomas: here there are contacts, and it looks like there is someone under Greek! http://translationproject.org/team/index.html |
| 22:08.13 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: but i want to see the contents of /proc/sys/pnp first |
| 22:09.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 943] by debhelper |
| 22:09.13 | toshiba510cdt | cat: /proc/sys/pnp: No such file or directory |
| 22:09.14 | Phantomas | ranamalo: The greek team doesn't know much about this project :( |
| 22:09.17 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: hmm, that changed, its in /sys now |
| 22:09.21 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: hold on |
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| 22:09.37 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: ls /sys/bus/isa/devices |
| 22:09.42 | ranamalo | Phantomas: you all should collaborate! |
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| 22:09.50 | fredoslack | hi |
| 22:09.57 | themill | drw: see also http://bugs.debian.org/457279 where there is mention of packages provided by the authors |
| 22:10.11 | drw | ok.. thanks a lot |
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| 22:29.31 | Cronix | hi folks |
| 22:29.40 | Polizei | ih:d |
| 22:29.42 | Cronix | im running debian lenny on my dedicated server |
| 22:29.48 | Cronix | justinstalled openvpn |
| 22:29.52 | Eulex | that's great |
| 22:29.55 | Cronix | and tryed a modprobe tun |
| 22:30.05 | Cronix | which gives me an error about a missing modules.deb |
| 22:30.13 | Cronix | how the hell could i fix that? |
| 22:30.26 | Eulex | Cronix, huh, what's the exact error |
| 22:30.27 | Eulex | ? |
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| 22:31.01 | ranamalo | I'm signed in via ssh on eth0 of my server and tail -f ing my syslog: there is a continuous blitz of: Apr 20 17:59:07 servidor1 dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 192.168.0.1 port 67 |
| 22:31.09 | Eulex | modprobe wouldn't be looking in .debs to find modules... |
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| 22:31.32 | \amethyst | Cronix: are you running a debian kernel, another vendor's kernel, or a self-compiled kernel? if the latter, did you use make-kpkg? |
| 22:31.52 | ranamalo | Why is it looking for a dhcp address? it's up and I connected through the interface!! |
| 22:31.53 | Cronix | its the second choise |
| 22:32.02 | Cronix | its the ipv6 enabled custom kernel from ovh |
| 22:32.25 | Cronix | 2.6.28.4-xxxx-std-ipv6-32 <- uname -a |
| 22:32.39 | Eulex | Cronix, if they don't include a tun module, you'll have to ask them why... |
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| 22:32.57 | Cronix | damnit |
| 22:33.00 | Cronix | kk ty |
| 22:33.11 | unop_ | Hey everyone - I've got a very strange problem with dolphin, when I have a dolphin window in focus - this happens : http://www.litetext.com/dwm4 I wonder if anyone has seen this or know what can be the cause? |
| 22:33.15 | ranamalo | Cronix: why not recompile with the tun mod? |
| 22:33.31 | \amethyst | Cronix: at the very least, you'll have to run depmod -a |
| 22:33.50 | Cronix | depmod -a |
| 22:33.50 | Cronix | WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.28.4-xxxx-std-ipv6-32: No such file or directory |
| 22:33.51 | Cronix | FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.28.4-xxxx-std-ipv6-32/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory |
| 22:34.03 | Cronix | and ranamalo i never compiled a kernel on my own before |
| 22:34.07 | \amethyst | Cronix: you don't have modules for your kernel in the right place |
| 22:34.18 | Cronix | hmpf |
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| 22:34.23 | jjmaestro | Hi! |
| 22:34.23 | \amethyst | Cronix: do they provide a modules directory, or is it all compiled in? |
| 22:34.30 | jjmaestro | is there any DSA member around? :) |
| 22:34.33 | Cronix | i changed the kernel manually after installation via the ovh webinterface |
| 22:34.41 | dondelelcaro | jjmaestro: what's your question? |
| 22:35.14 | \amethyst | Cronix: presumably ovh provides a modules directory... if you could find that you can symlink it to /lib/modules/2.6.28.4-xxxx-std-ipv6-32 |
| 22:35.26 | jjmaestro | dondelecaro: I was trying to see if there was a DSA (Debian System Administrator) team member around so that we could talk about a potential hardware donation |
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| 22:35.36 | ranamalo | Cronix: why are you using that kernel? |
| 22:36.10 | jjmaestro | dondelelcaro, sorry for the nick typo :-/ |
| 22:36.19 | jjmaestro | dondelelcaro, I was trying to see if there was a DSA (Debian System Administrator) team member around so that we could talk about a potential hardware donation |
| 22:36.21 | dondelelcaro | jjmaestro: the right people to talk to is actually hardware-donations@debian.org |
| 22:36.27 | Cronix | ranamalo, ipv6 |
| 22:36.27 | abli | Hi! where is the definition of the vcs- field to be used in the control file? I can't seem to find it in the debian policy at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 22:36.44 | dondelelcaro | jjmaestro: but it's possible that that alias isn't being rapidly answered. What in particular where you looking to donate? |
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| 22:36.56 | etchPRSN | jmaestro... oh... you mean me... here, let me give you my shipping address :-) |
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| 22:37.02 | Eulex | Cronix, a pure debian kernel does ipv6 all fine. |
| 22:37.07 | Cyberamigo | hello, how can i put a low-latency kernel in ubuntu intrepid 8.1? |
| 22:37.08 | jjmaestro | dondelelcaro, I know, I already talked by email and I was pointed to #debian-admin. I checked and no-one was there, so I was trying to see if by chance one of them was around here :) |
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| 22:37.16 | abli | ok, I found it at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-vcs |
| 22:37.37 | dondelelcaro | jjmaestro: it's actually #debian-admin on irc.freenode.net, but if you tell me what you wanted to donate, I can make sure that you get in touch with the right people |
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| 22:38.06 | ranamalo | Cronix: yeah the lenny kernel has no problem with ipv6, it's the programs that are the issue. Some do well some still don't support ipv6 |
| 22:38.11 | jjmaestro | dondelelcaro, does that mean that I am on the wrong server? |
| 22:38.20 | stew | jjmaestro: he means irc.debian.org, not freenode |
| 22:38.32 | ranamalo | Cyberamigo: try the ubuntu irc channel |
| 22:38.32 | jjmaestro | stew, ah, thanks :D |
| 22:38.41 | jjmaestro | cool, let me see... |
| 22:38.44 | stew | jjmaestro: i think bzed is the one the coordinates donations |
| 22:38.52 | stew | jjmaestro: who is here, and also there |
| 22:38.52 | Cronix | hm |
| 22:39.00 | Cronix | but ovh tells me that i need this kernel |
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| 22:39.08 | Cronix | thats whyx i used it |
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| 22:39.15 | jjmaestro | stew, right, we emailed this morning |
| 22:39.31 | jjmaestro | bzed, are you online? :) |
| 22:39.31 | ranamalo | Cronix: your life would probably be easier if you just used the stock lenny kernel (my opinion) |
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| 22:39.56 | bzed | jjmaestro: yes :) |
| 22:39.57 | Cronix | ovh kernel isnt stock |
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| 22:40.00 | Cronix | -.- |
| 22:40.06 | jjmaestro | stew, thanks for pointing bzed out for me, too many people in this channel! |
| 22:40.10 | jjmaestro | bzed, hi! |
| 22:40.16 | bzed | jjmaestro: hi :) |
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| 22:40.30 | bzed | jjmaestro: let me find a less crowded channel to talk |
| 22:40.42 | jjmaestro | bzed, I just emailed you this morning about the BlueArc donation and Luca Filipozzi pointed me to #debian-adming |
| 22:40.45 | ward- | when i plug in my camera i only can choose to import pictures |
| 22:40.52 | ward- | how can i just display its folder in nautilus? |
| 22:40.55 | jjmaestro | bzed, cool, thanks |
| 22:40.56 | ward- | its directory i mean |
| 22:41.42 | nkuttler | ward-: look into gphoto2, gphotofs |
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| 22:42.08 | macman_ | hi all |
| 22:42.09 | ward- | nkuttler, what are those programs? |
| 22:42.30 | ward- | nkuttler, but it used to be just like a usb stick :s |
| 22:42.31 | ward- | i dont get it |
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| 22:42.49 | ryanCH | aticonfig won't work with "--dtop=horizontal" because it says it can't do it when RandR 1.2 is running, what do i do??? |
| 22:43.04 | nkuttler | ward-: depends on your cam... |
| 22:43.21 | ward- | nkuttler, canon ixus 960xi |
| 22:43.32 | ward- | is i mean |
| 22:43.35 | nkuttler | ward-: well, rtfm. maybe you can switch it into hd mode |
| 22:43.36 | ward- | not xi |
| 22:43.58 | unop_ | would anyone know why this would happen to dolphin (and just dolphin) ? http://www.litetext.com/dwm4 |
| 22:44.00 | ward- | but this very camera was like a usb stick i mean |
| 22:44.02 | pbn | Hi, know some web browser that allows to remove the address bar so that the user can't reenable it so that it doesn't allow the user to type any address ? |
| 22:44.26 | etchPRSN | ward- you must have loaded or removed something maybe ? |
| 22:44.39 | ward- | etchPRSN, no previous debian version |
| 22:45.23 | ward- | also this photo windows that imports the pics |
| 22:45.33 | ward- | it says its copyin from DCIM/ on the SD card |
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| 22:45.39 | ward- | so it must be mounted somehow no? |
| 22:45.44 | etchPRSN | ward- anyway, you should be set if you download your pictures... gphoto2 was suggested, or there are other photo programs |
| 22:45.58 | ward- | etchPRSN, i do not need to get my photos.. |
| 22:46.03 | Noble | Anyone care to explain to me how /proc/net/arp is updated? Is new connections stored there _instantly_? |
| 22:46.06 | ward- | i want to upload a certain file |
| 22:46.06 | \amethyst | pbn: there are some firefox plugins for so-called "kiosk mode" |
| 22:46.11 | Danic | Hi! Is there a way to less a file withour commented lins and blank lines? |
| 22:46.22 | etchPRSN | ward- and if it says copying... well, that means you have a lot of big images, and it is still downloading to make the directory, no ? |
| 22:46.27 | abrotman | Danic: grep |
| 22:46.34 | unop_ | Danic, use grep |
| 22:46.47 | ward- | etchPRSN, CHDK is a firmware addon for many canons, if you copy a empty file with a certain filename, you can display the firmware version of the camera |
| 22:47.12 | toshiba510cdt | there must be newbie friendly solution to mu sound on lenny problem |
| 22:47.13 | ward- | etchPRSN, i dont know how that is relevant, i jsut want to create a file on my SD card into my camera |
| 22:47.17 | ward- | i do not have a cardreader |
| 22:47.30 | etchPRSN | ward- well good luck... this isnt really a photo channel |
| 22:47.31 | Danic | I tried grep -v ^# /file but it's not perfect. It still shows " #" and blank lines. Anyone has a quick command for me? |
| 22:47.41 | ward- | etchPRSN, well debian does this by default |
| 22:47.44 | pbn | amethyst: thank you, gonna look for that |
| 22:47.46 | ward- | this is about debian correct? |
| 22:47.55 | ward- | including its default behavious i suppose |
| 22:48.01 | ward- | behaviour |
| 22:48.20 | Cronix | topic says so |
| 22:48.21 | Cronix | ;D |
| 22:48.29 | abrotman | Danic: egrep ? |
| 22:48.45 | ward- | also i'm talking about lenny |
| 22:48.48 | ward- | sorry forgot to add |
| 22:48.50 | etchPRSN | tosses large fruit of undetermined age, toward cronix |
| 22:49.09 | Cronix | o0 |
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| 22:49.16 | etchPRSN | :-) |
| 22:49.18 | ward- | tells Cronix to brew alcohol with the fruit |
| 22:49.28 | Cronix | hmm |
| 22:49.37 | jpirie23 | tells Cronix to give me the alcohol |
| 22:49.41 | \amethyst | Danic: grep -Ev '^[[:space:]]*($|#)' |
| 22:49.45 | Cronix | ^^ |
| 22:49.56 | Cronix | trys his first kernel compilation now |
| 22:49.58 | Cronix | xD |
| 22:50.01 | adama_ | has anyone made a sh or perl script to do a quick google search from CLI? |
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| 22:50.08 | \amethyst | Danic: exclude lines that start with multiple spaces, followed by either # or end-of-line |
| 22:50.24 | Danic | Yeah |
| 22:50.30 | Danic | Working perfect :) Thank you |
| 22:50.31 | ward- | adama_, i suggest using the google page for cellphones, etc |
| 22:50.36 | ward- | dunno fi it exists |
| 22:51.08 | ward- | can i create a file on my SD card, while i do not have a cardreader, only my camera? |
| 22:51.21 | ward- | it keeps popping up a windows to import pictures |
| 22:51.22 | gravity | adama_: surfraw |
| 22:51.57 | adama_ | shweeeeet |
| 22:52.06 | nkuttler | ward-: gphoto2 can probably do that...... |
| 22:52.16 | etchPRSN | ward- maybe if your camera came with some software which your distribution can use ? |
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| 22:52.43 | themill | ward-: it should be possible to just mount the camera as a USB mass storage device. |
| 22:52.49 | toshiba510cdt | there must be newbie friendly solution to mu sound on lenny problem, right? right? |
| 22:52.58 | Cronix | mby its already auto mounted |
| 22:53.00 | Cronix | try |
| 22:53.01 | Cronix | mount |
| 22:53.08 | Cronix | and look at the end of the list |
| 22:53.18 | Cronix | mby there is a device which could be your cam |
| 22:53.27 | Cronix | then cd to the dir where its mounted |
| 22:53.33 | Cronix | and copy your files to it |
| 22:53.33 | etchPRSN | toshiba510cdt err... got a sound card ? :=) |
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| 22:55.00 | toshiba510cdt | etchPRSN, i have a laptop |
| 22:55.28 | etchPRSN | toshiba510cdt cool... but... have you played audio on it before ? |
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| 22:57.46 | toshiba510cdt | etchPRSN, yes on the same laptop when i had etch on it |
| 22:58.12 | Ace2017_- | when using dpkg-reconfigure it says that bitstream is different from ms type fonts when picking font hinting, what type is bitstream? |
| 22:58.49 | etchPRSN | toshiba510cdt good... have you loaded any sound applications on your Lenny installation ? |
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| 23:03.36 | ajavid | hey |
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| 23:04.08 | ajavid | from the lm-sensors output, which one is accurately the cpu temperature? there is temp0, temp1, core0, core1, all 4 have a diff temp |
| 23:04.38 | ajavid | Im guessing core0/1 is what I should consider to be my cpu core temperature, but it doesn't seem to be accurate, it registers a 62 C |
| 23:04.42 | ajavid | thats a lot in F |
| 23:05.27 | chfwiggum | ajavid: that might well be ur cpu temp |
| 23:05.48 | ajavid | http://pastebin.com/mc6be993 |
| 23:05.53 | ajavid | take a peek yourself |
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| 23:06.44 | abrotman | ajavid: indicates it's well within reason |
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| 23:06.55 | krisfremen | 62 cpu on what? |
| 23:06.58 | krisfremen | desktop or laptop? |
| 23:07.14 | ajavid | desktop, from 266mhz fsb to 430, for 3.0ghz from 1.8ghz |
| 23:07.21 | ajavid | bios reports 32C~ish |
| 23:07.23 | jpirie23 | mines is 52 deg C on laptop |
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| 23:08.04 | krisfremen | currently my laptop is having 69 degrees on the cpu |
| 23:08.11 | krisfremen | but it doesn't feel very hot on the outside |
| 23:08.15 | ajavid | krisfremen, isn't that a lot? |
| 23:08.21 | krisfremen | nope |
| 23:08.23 | jpirie23 | does seem high to mee |
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| 23:08.40 | krisfremen | it's doing some compression in the background |
| 23:08.43 | ajavid | and I also bought a freakin WMP54G linksys wifi nic |
| 23:08.43 | chfwiggum | ajavid: no worries til 70-75C |
| 23:08.54 | ajavid | it works perfectly in debian without much bullshit |
| 23:09.08 | krisfremen | and of course if you're playing or something cpu intensive, the temp skyrocket also |
| 23:09.21 | jpirie23 | if it got near real dangerous levels system would prob power itself off anyway |
| 23:09.22 | ajavid | I'm just testing the limits with this new mobo ram |
| 23:09.25 | krisfremen | usually it goes around 80 degrees with mine... |
| 23:09.40 | krisfremen | but if you're worried about cooling, buy better cooling system |
| 23:09.58 | ajavid | also, im on i386 atm, shouldn't it report at least 4 out of my 8gb |
| 23:10.13 | ajavid | bios says 8gb fine, 32bit sees 3gb, amd64 sees 8gb |
| 23:10.23 | krisfremen | there's a new gaseous system for cooling, i heard it's pretty chilly |
| 23:10.23 | ajavid | is 32bit retarded |
| 23:10.37 | jpirie23 | liquid nitro cooling ftw lol |
| 23:10.44 | jpirie23 | if you are brave enough xD |
| 23:10.44 | ajavid | ##hardware |
| 23:11.35 | ajavid | hm.. I guess it is correct |
| 23:11.46 | ajavid | now it reports 63, went up by 1 degree |
| 23:12.18 | adama_ | my laptop cpu will exceed 95C when I play warcraft 3 etc. |
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| 23:12.33 | toshiba510cdt | etchPRSN, what do you mean? |
| 23:12.43 | krisfremen | adama_: true with me also, but after around 30 mins of playing |
| 23:12.49 | ajavid | I mean the core0/core1 temps are the cpu temps, but damn, even with 80% OC I've got too much temp, but maybe I shouldn't OC that much lol, yeah, I'll take it easy until I get a cpu with a higher multiplier that i don't have to increase my fsb like a madman |
| 23:13.34 | krisfremen | overclocking is a temp raiser for sure |
| 23:13.41 | ajavid | btw, latest versions of debian x86 AND amd64 both work fine on my overclock now, last year amd64 would give me real BS on the overclock, but x86 wouldn't |
| 23:13.55 | ajavid | dunno if it had something to do with the kernel or whatever drivers |
| 23:14.17 | ajavid | but lately I just tested an amd64 and x86 and both seem to run fine while stressing |
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| 23:14.32 | krisfremen | atm one of my servers is showing 50 celsius with a little bit of activity |
| 23:15.13 | etchPRSN | toshiba510cdt let me ask... if you play a game or use the computer, do you get any sounds - even logging on or starting a program ? |
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| 23:15.41 | ajavid | what happened is when i moved from nyc, I forgot my power supply's original box which still contained a lot of cables |
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| 23:15.57 | ajavid | now I have more devices and fans in my box, and not enough 4pin molex plugs |
| 23:16.10 | ajavid | none of my system fans are hooked up and few of my devices are without power too |
| 23:16.42 | toshiba510cdt | <etchPRSN> i do not play games, if i try to play a cd i get the message: |
| 23:16.45 | toshiba510cdt | /dev/mixer: No such file or directory |
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| 23:16.55 | chfwiggum | sted an amd64 and x86 and both seem to run fine while stressing |
| 23:16.56 | chfwiggum | 01:14 < krisfremen> atm one of my servers is showing 50 celsius with a little bit of activity |
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| 23:17.14 | krisfremen | yes? |
| 23:17.37 | ajavid | im gonna reboot and clock back down to 1.8ghz |
| 23:17.43 | jetscreamer | get some of those splitters ajavid |
| 23:18.34 | abrotman | etchPRSN: modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 23:18.39 | etchPRSN | toshiba510cdt ok... well, I see a lot of Lenny users complaining about sound not working... it may be you will need to install some programs, or recompile some things, to get your sound going |
| 23:18.41 | abrotman | oh wait .. wrong module |
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| 23:23.43 | Metatron | what is the diff in grub and grub2 in a nutsehll? |
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| 23:24.04 | cusco | hi |
| 23:24.52 | abrotman | Metatron: that's not really a 'nutshell' kind of question |
| 23:25.01 | toshiba510cdt | modprobe snd_pcm_oss was suggested to me earlier but did not solve my problem |
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| 23:25.31 | ponk | Hi there! |
| 23:25.55 | cusco | I am having weid requests on my webserver such as: |
| 23:25.57 | cusco | [Mon Apr 20 03:12:19 2009] [error] [client 24.108.101.118] Invalid URI in request \xa8\xe5\xcaw<\x17F\xf5\xf9?v\x81#Q\x9e\xbb\xe5\xf8-a\xf7\xdc\xcc\xdf\xc0\xde\\\xa4a\xbf\xcf\xae\x14G\xb0JqU\xf6\xff\x01-\xf0\x86\xd9aUL*\x89\x1f\x14:\xffp\x95\x05\xe3\x9f\xe1\xe455\x15\xcb\xf7\x12\x9e\b]\x15[pD\x98\x83\x18\xd8M7[\xc0\xe3\x12\xfa\xdd\xac\x8f\xfc\xa0\x8d!\xb6\x8b\xd8k\x8f\xd19N\x9eEJ<|\xbe\xaf\xc9\t\xb4\xa3\xdf\x90\xe2\xa4\x01 |
| 23:26.13 | cusco | can anybody tell me how do decode that or what that is? |
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| 23:27.10 | HellMind | hellgate:/var# ping 135-33-190-190.cab.prima.net.ar > ping: unknown host 135-33-190-190.cab.prima.net.ar |
| 23:27.19 | HellMind | but hellgate:/var# dig 135-33-190-190.cab.prima.net.ar > OK , why? |
| 23:27.21 | ajavid | whats weird is that even when at bios defaults and without any overclocking, I still get 61 C |
| 23:27.24 | ajavid | wtf |
| 23:27.45 | ajavid | is it just lm sensors that fucked up, bios still reports 30~ish C |
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| 23:28.31 | etchPRSN | toshiba510cdt have you googled this problem ? Lots of questions about Lenny sound, and lots of answers |
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| 23:29.21 | HellMind | why ping doesnt resolve |
| 23:29.26 | Danic | How to display permissions of a file in 700 instead of -rwx------ |
| 23:29.31 | etchPRSN | cusco... I think that decodes to your credit card number |
| 23:29.48 | dkr | Danic: stat file |
| 23:30.03 | cusco | etchPRSN: hehe too bad I don't have one |
| 23:30.06 | jetx | ls has a switch also iirc |
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| 23:30.11 | peterrooney | cusco: it looks like an attack on IIS, which you are probably not running. If you -are- running IIS, #debian can't help. |
| 23:30.15 | SamWeasley | Hi! |
| 23:30.20 | cusco | anyway does shellcode harm my web server in anyway? |
| 23:30.28 | SamWeasley | Someone could help me with Empathy/Telepathy? |
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| 23:30.50 | Danic | dkr: Thank you |
| 23:31.03 | dkr | cusco: not very likely. it's probably looking for iis servers, :) |
| 23:31.10 | cusco | peterrooney: no, I am running only apache on a debian server ofcourse |
| 23:31.38 | cusco | dkr: I believe you.. how can I relate that to a bot that looks for iis server tho? |
| 23:31.45 | cusco | just to clear my conscience |
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| 23:31.56 | cusco | because it is a concern right now... |
| 23:31.59 | dkr | cusco: do a google search of the hex might turn up whatever bot is probing with it |
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| 23:32.10 | cusco | Ill try that |
| 23:32.35 | cusco | it does not |
| 23:34.52 | Cronix | woho |
| 23:34.55 | Cronix | epic moment |
| 23:35.02 | Cronix | compiling my first kernel ;D |
| 23:35.13 | chfwiggum | boring |
| 23:35.14 | etchPRSN | watch it go fizz |
| 23:35.19 | Cronix | ^^ |
| 23:35.19 | cusco | with kernel-package? |
| 23:35.24 | dkr | take bets on how long it ill take |
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| 23:35.50 | Metatron | sorry pidgin crashed, diffrence in grub and grub2? |
| 23:35.55 | Cronix | cusco, with kernel sources from kernel.org |
| 23:35.56 | abrotman | Metatron: that's not really a 'nutshell' kind of question |
| 23:36.04 | ponk | I am installing Debian Lenny with a netboot cd and unfortunately no ethernet drivers for the WiFi Link 5100 can be found. There is an option adding them via USB stick and there exists a driver, the iwl5000 (http://lwn.net/Articles/293886/) Can anyone tell me how this driver looks like? I downloaded a file 'iwl5000-ucode-5.4.0.11.ebuild' but it didn't work out. Suggestions? |
| 23:36.14 | Metatron | cocunet shell? |
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| 23:37.20 | Metatron | im trying to get frame buffers to work and not seeming to have luck in grub, was wondering if grub 2 would help, i m gonna hook this box to a tv, the tv input only handles 1024x768, if i cant get that resolution at the grub menu, the menu wont display on the tv |
| 23:39.24 | Metatron | oh well, reboot time, see if 256k colors makes a diff |
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| 23:41.08 | ponk | looks like the driver needs the firmware 'iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode'. Is there a way to include it during the install process? |
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| 23:43.27 | rerushg | ponk: I was just in the WiFi wiki for another card. Seems to be laid out pretty clearly there. Don't quite understand your problem. |
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| 23:43.42 | Vantage | anyone know why fglrx-driver 9-4 was accepted into unstable but it's only built for amd64? |
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| 23:44.28 | Sashi | hey |
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| 23:44.43 | Sashi | http://pastebin.ca/1397811 |
| 23:45.52 | ponk | hm, the suggestions are normally for a running system. I am stuck in the installation process |
| 23:46.33 | abrotman | Sashi: you could mount the files on serverB from serverA over something like sshfs or something over a VPN |
| 23:47.57 | MarcWeber | Sashi: Your qeustion seems verbose. Am I right that all you want to do is accessing files on machine B from A? sshfs or nfs or such will let you do that. |
| 23:48.17 | Sashi | no |
| 23:48.21 | Sashi | webserver |
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| 23:48.44 | Sashi | domain.com resolves to Server A IP but then the website files are on server b |
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| 23:49.51 | Sashi | hmm i got it now i think hopefully |
| 23:49.58 | maxos | could anyone please tell me how to get bluetooth working in debian and please dont refer me to some long complicated wiki |
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| 23:50.19 | Sashi | mount server b website files to server a /var/www and define that in apache conf file |
| 23:50.20 | Sashi | works right |
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| 23:51.56 | abrotman | !shfs |
| 23:51.57 | dpkg | i heard shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 23:52.14 | maxos | !bluetooth |
| 23:52.14 | dpkg | it has been said that bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol: http://bluetooth.com/ , or about as secure as shouting. apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
| 23:53.16 | internat | shfs.. interesting.. does shfs allow you to have different user/groups on files? im sure i remember someone saying that you couldnt do that in shfs |
| 23:53.22 | internat | which seemed stupid at the time.. |
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| 23:54.51 | pipeline | userspace filesystems are the worst |
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| 23:55.16 | boghog | hi there. I want to setup system clock syncing using NTP on my debian server, which I was going to do with ntpdate (after reading http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s8.6.4), but its manpage referred to the ntp package (for the /etc/ntp.conf file it installs), which I then installed, and I now have an ntp server running (automatically started when I installed the ntp package), so I wonder does this already take care of synchron |
| 23:55.16 | boghog | izing my system clock or will I still need 'ntpdate'? |
| 23:55.44 | pipeline | boghog: you need to sync once with ntpdate, then you can run ntp. |
| 23:56.05 | pipeline | boghog: ntp only handles clock DRIFT, not massive inaccuracies, so you need to be within the ballpark range of the right date before starting ntp |
| 23:56.13 | boghog | ahh right |
| 23:56.25 | boghog | thanks a ton pipeline, that was the missing piece of this puzzle for me :D |
| 23:56.37 | pipeline | boghog: the thing is, ntp is way overkill for just keeping your clock right |
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| 23:56.49 | pipeline | boghog: you need ntp when you need a bunch of servers to all be exactly the same time, whether it's the right time or not |
| 23:56.57 | boghog | oh, so adding ntpdate to a chronjob might just be enough? |
| 23:56.59 | pipeline | boghog: to just keep your clock correct, shit, set up a cron job that runs ntpdate every hour |
| 23:57.05 | boghog | righto |
| 23:57.08 | boghog | that will do then |
| 23:57.12 | pipeline | boghog: heh, just having ntpdate run at startup is probably enough |
| 23:57.15 | mar77i | hi, http://pastebin.com/d5f46903d |
| 23:57.26 | pipeline | boghog: while the system is running, the kernel uses a real-time clock chip and stuff... and it's reasonably accurate |
| 23:57.42 | pipeline | boghog: the problem is reboots and powered-off time. The hardware clock that runs while the system is turned off is terrible. |
| 23:57.50 | boghog | pipeline, cool, good to know |
| 23:57.54 | mar77i | I've got that very error with the indiana server, too. this is pclinuxos, I know this might be a bit off the topic... |
| 23:58.15 | pipeline | mar77i: yeah, that's way off topic. |
