| 00:01.05 | mar77i | oaky. I just saw that someone must have fucked this up badly. I might have come to the problem's source. thx for ignoring me ;) |
| 00:01.44 | chfwiggum | !language |
| 00:01.44 | dpkg | it has been said that language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a knoppix user joins. to the scientists language is god |
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| 00:02.11 | marcrosoft | lol |
| 00:02.12 | jaggz- | what's this about ffmpeg being stripped naked? |
| 00:02.19 | centHOGG | heh |
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| 00:03.02 | centHOGG | <xfce vmware guest anyone? |
| 00:03.07 | jaggz- | Unknown encoder 'mpeg2video' |
| 00:03.31 | bpun | mar77i, #pclinux* |
| 00:03.49 | Cronix | woohoo |
| 00:03.55 | Cronix | kernel compilation error -.- |
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| 00:06.22 | jaggz- | if I search for unstripped I don't find anything with apt-cache/aptitude search unstripped .. i'm trying to get a working system.. one which can be usable to convert these very standard video formats |
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| 00:09.01 | boghog | pipeline, do you happen to know what the best place is to have ntpdate ran on boot? I was thinking rc.local but I'm not sure if that is before or after the network is brought up |
| 00:10.09 | pipeline | boghog: it doesn't matter. rc3.d/S99ntpdate. Fuck it. It really isn't important. |
| 00:10.09 | Cronix | hmm |
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| 00:10.09 | Cronix | anything wrong on this command to compile a kernel in debian? |
| 00:10.09 | Cronix | make-kpkg buildpackage --revision 20090421 --initrd |
| 00:10.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell Cronix -about kp mantra |
| 00:10.31 | boghog | pipeline, alright :D |
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| 00:11.22 | jaggz- | I can't find the unstripped ffmpeg dependency libraries.. like libavcodec-unstripped-51 |
| 00:12.07 | Cronix | it tells me there is no rule to create firmware o0 |
| 00:12.42 | maxos | could anyone help me with bluetooth audio? |
| 00:12.51 | maxos | please |
| 00:13.26 | boghog | pipeline, ah it already puts something in /etc/network/if-up.d/ by default |
| 00:13.59 | maxos | hello |
| 00:14.56 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps question, looking for a tutorial to wade in on the programming a ui for mysql to create/manage a db for me. |
| 00:15.02 | bbelt16ag | I got a db in a text file. |
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| 00:15.14 | bbelt16ag | about 60 mb atm |
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| 00:15.37 | bbelt16ag | and I need to replicate some of the functionality of my script in mysql. |
| 00:15.41 | internat | mm |
| 00:15.48 | internat | i assume what you want cant be done by phpmyadmin? |
| 00:15.51 | bbelt16ag | was wondering what programming language you peeps prefered to get my fee wet. |
| 00:15.57 | bbelt16ag | never used it. |
| 00:16.06 | internat | its a php management application for mysql. |
| 00:16.15 | Zarathust | first off, copy your data into mysql |
| 00:16.22 | bbelt16ag | right right |
| 00:16.27 | bbelt16ag | I can do that done it befor |
| 00:16.38 | Zarathust | then use phpmyadmin to administer your data |
| 00:16.39 | bbelt16ag | but need to be able to search, add certain things. |
| 00:16.47 | bbelt16ag | like posting of data. |
| 00:17.00 | Zarathust | you can run sql commands from phpmyadmin |
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| 00:17.30 | bbelt16ag | let me explain, the script I use now in bashscript and sed, takes the data from a rar file the contents and puts it in the text file for me and adds a name of the archive, date, etc, |
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| 00:18.07 | internat | ah |
| 00:18.11 | internat | in that case, yeah make your own |
| 00:18.20 | internat | use something lightweight like python. |
| 00:18.30 | internat | or hell, use bash, and pipe stuff to mysql |
| 00:18.38 | bbelt16ag | I don't think it would be that hard, the script I use is clia nd I prefer it that way |
| 00:18.53 | bbelt16ag | just wanted a tutorial on how to do that internat |
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| 00:20.13 | badcrc | i can't get my intel wifilink 5100 onto my wpa wifi network |
| 00:20.35 | badcrc | I've figured out how to use network-manager-kde to get onto my wpa wifi network. but if X doesn't work then i can't get online. i'm trying to use the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse to get onto my wireless using wpasupplicant. |
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| 00:22.06 | badcrc | i've got it configured iike at the url above but all i get is this: http://pastebin.ca/1397833 |
| 00:22.47 | chfwiggum | badcrc: u can ask ponk he had the same problem |
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| 00:23.33 | jaggz- | deb ftp://ftp.citylink.co.nz/debian/ lenny main universe multiverse |
| 00:23.35 | jaggz- | is that right? |
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| 00:24.03 | jaggz- | I wanted to add the universe multiverse repositories so I could handle some of these video conversions from my friend's camcorder |
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| 00:24.17 | badcrc | jaggz-: i just got here so i don't know what you're trying to address, but that looks kind of ubuntu-ish |
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| 00:25.12 | badcrc | ponk: did you resolve the issue of using wpasupplicant with your wifi? |
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| 00:25.46 | jaggz- | I haven't been speaking about it much. I'm trying to do some video conversions using ffmpeg (or mencoder... or anything) and these codecs are all unsupported by ffmpeg |
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| 00:26.15 | ponk | @badcrc nope, I had a problem while the installation process with netinst. I am trying with the normal install CD now |
| 00:26.25 | jaggz- | and, while you don't owe me anything, I've been spending so many hours on this and have a headache and I have so much to do and .. and.. |
| 00:26.28 | ponk | ..and run into the same problem again |
| 00:26.47 | badcrc | jaggz-: i'm not sure that ubuntu packages are in your best interest. have you tried the debian multimedia repo? |
| 00:27.03 | jaggz- | the .nz repo was found as the fastest by synaptic's tester |
| 00:27.24 | badcrc | ponk: what kernel version do you have? |
| 00:27.25 | jaggz- | which part indicated the ubuntu-ness? |
| 00:27.39 | at0m|c | jaggz-: *verses |
| 00:27.44 | badcrc | jaggz-: "universe multiverse" those aren't debian designations |
| 00:27.46 | jaggz- | ohhh.. I had no clue |
| 00:28.00 | jaggz- | but that did come from a ubuntu page on ffmpeg .. heh |
| 00:28.49 | at0m|c | jaggz-: but then the lenny in that line is all debian |
| 00:29.01 | at0m|c | weird bastardisation on that page eh |
| 00:29.47 | badcrc | if you're sure you're using debian you need to try the debian multimedia repo before you go with any ubuntu weirdness |
| 00:29.57 | centHOGG | heh |
| 00:30.04 | badcrc | in fact, i'd grab the source and roll my own before using ubuntu packages |
| 00:30.30 | centHOGG | ubuntu-server is kinda decent |
| 00:30.44 | abrotman | i think you want #ubuntu |
| 00:31.01 | jaggz- | I think it's strange that .nz was faster than local here in U.S. (los angeles) |
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| 00:31.17 | jaggz- | I also don't trust them new zealanders! |
| 00:32.02 | badcrc | i have it on good authority that the land of mordor is located there. |
| 00:32.06 | at0m|c | jaggz-: maybe it's hosted in the States :o |
| 00:32.13 | ponk | @badcrc By now I am installing Lenny on my new laptop |
| 00:32.30 | jaggz- | do any of you use ffmpeg to convert video files? I'm trying to convert from .dv (from a camcorder) to some quicktime format for someone to do editing, as well as to some more-compatible format for a bunch of students to review their performance |
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| 00:32.49 | jaggz- | ponk, that's what I did just last week |
| 00:32.56 | jaggz- | using xfce the first time too.. |
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| 00:33.40 | badcrc | ponk: i had to install 2.6.29 from sid before i could get the intel 5100 detected at all... |
| 00:34.10 | at0m|c | jaggz-: AFAIK .dv is just mpeg, should be most compatible |
| 00:34.10 | badcrc | i have been able to get it online using knetworkmanager |
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| 00:34.38 | badcrc | doesn't kino support dv? |
| 00:35.09 | jaggz- | maybe.. but it's not compressed much at all, and I'd need to scale it down too |
| 00:35.48 | jaggz- | the bunch of students will be getting a low res version.. but this girl handling the video editing should have higher quality originals.. but from what I gather she's on a mac and her software is happiest using quicktime |
| 00:35.57 | jaggz- | (based on her requesting high res quicktime) |
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| 00:37.58 | ponk | badcrc: I am trying to install it without ethernet and get the ethernet working by copying the firmware by usb stick |
| 00:38.04 | orzel | hello. I'm not very familiar with debian. I have some raw install of debian, and there's no gcc. I remember i need to install some meta-package with 'dev' in it, but can't remember the exact name. Can you help me ? I think it's better than just install all stuff (gcc, gas,...) by hand |
| 00:38.20 | badcrc | build-esstial |
| 00:38.25 | badcrc | build-essential |
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| 00:39.49 | centHOGG | with debian? |
| 00:40.04 | centHOGG | gcc make linux-header(whatever) |
| 00:40.04 | at0m|c | jaggz-: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-quicktime |
| 00:40.15 | ChrisW | hey all, how can I turn local echo back on in a terminal after a program has exited with it disabled? |
| 00:40.48 | twolane | ChrisW: type 'echo on' |
| 00:40.49 | orzel | badcrc, thanks, this seems to be it! |
| 00:41.09 | ChrisW | twolane: tried, didn't work... |
| 00:41.11 | badcrc | orzel: no prob |
| 00:41.21 | twolane | ChrisW: reset maybe |
| 00:41.36 | ChrisW | that did it :-) |
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| 00:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo on? |
| 00:43.05 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: scotty uses it all the time |
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| 00:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 00:43.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I'm talking into my mouse right now) |
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| 00:45.27 | centHOGG | "computer" |
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| 00:46.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | centHOGG, you'd think it'd answer! |
| 00:46.22 | centHOGG | keyboard... quaint |
| 00:47.17 | plange7 | hi, I have installed the nvidia kernel and glx packages, changed my xorg.conf and startx bombs out saying it can't find the nvidia kernel module |
| 00:47.25 | plange7 | what due I do? |
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| 00:49.03 | centHOGG | splater |
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| 00:53.05 | GeekBoy | Why no netbeans in get-apt repository? |
| 00:53.13 | jaggz- | once I add the multimedia repo, how do I list packages only on it or otherwise know where a package is coming from? |
| 00:53.18 | jaggz- | I want to get a nice ffmpeg installed |
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| 00:53.55 | ryanCH | with konsole and with a transparent background/desktop effects .. when i click the konsole (set focus on it) the background gets lighter i don't want the transparency to change like that, how do i stop this? |
| 00:53.56 | ryanCH | ? |
| 00:54.06 | bbelt16ag | hey what's the mysql channel |
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| 00:54.14 | devhell_ | plange7: did you build the kernel module? |
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| 00:54.48 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: #mysql .. oddly |
| 00:55.22 | plange7 | I think so, ls-l /dev/nvidia shows nvidia 1,2,3 and nvidiactl |
| 00:55.59 | devhell_ | plange7: did you build it with module-assistant? if not try: sudo m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 00:56.21 | plange7 | yes I did, I'm following the howto |
| 00:59.46 | jaggz- | "Unknown encoder 'mpeg2video'" |
| 00:59.47 | jaggz- | sigh :( |
| 00:59.52 | plange7 | the xorg.conf file looks very bare, are values from some other place being substituted in? |
| 01:00.37 | magyar | hi, what does "compat" stands for in the "nsswitch.conf" file? |
| 01:01.06 | jaggz- | installs mjpegtools |
| 01:02.09 | Tramp | magyar: man nsswitch.conf has a whole section on compat mode |
| 01:02.21 | plange7 | maybe I should just reboot |
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| 01:03.14 | magyar | Tramp: thx |
| 01:03.33 | ndshacker | Hi guys i just got Debian, and my interent is extremely slow, any idea why this could be? Or what i can do to change it like I did in ubuntu? |
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| 01:05.46 | GeekBoy | ndshacker: if your internet is slow, then shouldn't you be calling your ISP, or upgrading? |
| 01:06.01 | ndshacker | no |
| 01:06.07 | at0m|c | or downgrade it again |
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| 01:06.17 | ndshacker | my interent is usually fine. |
| 01:06.29 | ndshacker | its only since installing debian that ive noticed it |
| 01:06.29 | GeekBoy | thus that would be chan #isp |
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| 01:06.39 | pl4yer0ne | What did you do to change it in ubuntu? |
| 01:07.01 | ndshacker | Some config files that pertain to my dhcp settings |
| 01:07.15 | ndshacker | and i installed a dns server |
| 01:07.45 | GeekBoy | uninstall it |
| 01:07.52 | GeekBoy | your internet is not slow |
| 01:08.05 | ndshacker | ? |
| 01:08.08 | pl4yer0ne | so your ISP's dns servers are crap? |
| 01:08.11 | GeekBoy | your computer is referring to your own DNS which has nothing in it |
| 01:08.22 | ndshacker | GeekBoy: its not installed right now |
| 01:08.31 | pl4yer0ne | no GeekBoy they are saying on ubuntu they did that stuff. |
| 01:08.34 | GeekBoy | you jusat said you installed it |
| 01:08.35 | ndshacker | pl4yerone: my name servers at my isp are crap |
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| 01:08.43 | ndshacker | not i said on ubuntu i did |
| 01:08.59 | pl4yer0ne | yeah ok so do the same thing |
| 01:09.04 | GeekBoy | okay, then install the DNS and have it run |
| 01:09.11 | ndshacker | um... are the files the same? |
| 01:09.18 | GeekBoy | should be |
| 01:09.19 | pl4yer0ne | install a dns server and change you dhcp to use that instead of the ISPs |
| 01:09.35 | ndshacker | ok, i pick up 1.3 seconds of latency there :\ |
| 01:09.52 | ndshacker | kinda sad tbh |
| 01:09.56 | DynamicPink | Are there 2 sound systems in Debian? I have Gnome, and KDE, loaded on my machine, but neither recognizes sound events from Icedove. The only way Icedove will play a mail sound in Gnome is to turn off all Gnome sounds. |
| 01:10.05 | pl4yer0ne | or ndshacker try using opendns or something |
| 01:10.17 | ndshacker | dnsmasq |
| 01:10.21 | ndshacker | is what i use |
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| 01:10.38 | pl4yer0ne | http://www.opendns.com/ cut out your ISP and see if it improves |
| 01:11.03 | ndshacker | please wait while it loads xD |
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| 01:11.43 | enouf | DynamicPink: gnome and kde are bloated pieces of shit .. and for that matter, so is everything ice/firepoop related |
| 01:12.02 | enouf | i suggest you do an immediate remove --purge |
| 01:12.13 | DynamicPink | I take it you run mailx and lynx only enouf? |
| 01:12.25 | ndshacker | xD |
| 01:12.32 | enouf | links2 and gmail .. close |
| 01:12.41 | at0m|c | DynamicPink: gnome and kde both like to put an extra layer on top of alsa. turning them off is progress. |
| 01:13.02 | enouf | DynamicPink: yes, i like a gui, but not an mpoop imposter |
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| 01:13.30 | DynamicPink | that is what I thought at0m, perhaps a bug report is in order for both? |
| 01:13.40 | at0m|c | DynamicPink: but indeed, audio drivers on linux are like the amazon, but the driver forest is _growing_ :o |
| 01:13.52 | ndshacker | :o |
| 01:14.11 | DynamicPink | at0m, the sound works perfectly, just that one stickler with Icedove. |
| 01:14.13 | enouf | DynamicPink: lenny still has alsaconf, unfortunately some dev thought it'd be a good idea to remove the most important config tool in debian for alsa |
| 01:14.13 | at0m|c | i never understood the extra layers |
| 01:14.19 | at0m|c | except for jackd eh |
| 01:14.20 | ndshacker | gah a 10 kb/s average speed -_-' |
| 01:14.25 | dserban | Is the nvidia-kernel-source currently borked for amd64 under linux-image-2.6.29-1-amd64? Or am I just missing something (haven't updated the nvidia driver in quite a while). m-a a-i nvidia fails ... |
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| 01:14.55 | DynamicPink | Thanks for the input enouf and at0m. |
| 01:14.58 | enouf | so Squeeze and Sid are alsaconf free ... seems like the EPA got a whiff |
| 01:14.58 | at0m|c | ndshacker: how about you go to a site using their IP (see whois) and download something then. |
| 01:15.17 | pl4yer0ne | ndshacker, speed after a name resolution shouldnt be that bad if it was only a dns thing. must be something else. maybe you have a proxy or they have a proxy you should be using |
| 01:15.17 | module000 | dserban: elaborate on fail? |
| 01:15.22 | at0m|c | ndshacker: that would give exclusion on weither it's a DNs problem |
| 01:15.40 | ndshacker | yes I know |
| 01:15.41 | enouf | DynamicPink: what is icedove - a thunderbird (mail) equiv? |
| 01:15.51 | ndshacker | This happened last time i tried to switch to debian |
| 01:16.03 | Fox_1_ | people does it safely to run apt-get autoremove? |
| 01:16.07 | enouf | he's dead jim |
| 01:16.08 | module000 | Fox_1_: yes |
| 01:16.22 | dserban | when it says it's building nvidia kernel source step 1 it says that build of the package failed, view error output shows a whole lot of output, can't tell which one's failing though. |
| 01:16.28 | enouf | update-alternatives might have saved his dumbass |
| 01:16.30 | ajavid | hey |
| 01:16.30 | magyar | hi, can someone who is using ldap share his/her nsswitch.conf ? |
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| 01:16.42 | ajavid | how do i find out exactly which chipset my wifi nic is using |
| 01:16.43 | module000 | dserban: the first error is usually the relevant one, and the rest a chain reaction |
| 01:16.46 | at0m|c | Fox_1_: but see if there's any packages you still want that can be auto-removed |
| 01:16.56 | ajavid | I have a v4.1 of the wmp54g wifi linksys nic |
| 01:17.02 | at0m|c | Fox_1_: like autoremove on my install wants to remove my fav. audio player |
| 01:17.08 | ajavid | there are 3 known firmwares that this uses |
| 01:17.25 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 01:17.29 | ajavid | rt2500, rt71 and broadcom, but i can't figure out which one is mine |
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| 01:17.53 | at0m|c | ajavid: tried lspci ? |
| 01:18.11 | at0m|c | ajavid: or, if it's a USB device, lsusb ? |
| 01:18.45 | Fox_1_ | it wants to remove x11-session-utils, x11-xfs-utils, xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi, xinit and xorg-docs |
| 01:18.46 | dserban | module000, well first line states that it's running a clean, then halfway down... it says that .... grr, first error is simply stating that it cannot stat nvidia.ko... |
| 01:18.48 | Fox_1_ | is it ok? |
| 01:18.59 | dserban | should I just paste into #flood? |
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| 01:19.08 | ajavid | Version 2.0 = BCM43XX |
| 01:19.08 | ajavid | Version 4.0 = RT2500 |
| 01:19.13 | ajavid | Version 4.1 = RT61 |
| 01:19.24 | module000 | dserban: pastebin please |
| 01:19.33 | ajavid | freebsd forums had a post related to it, so there we have it, I have a freaking rt61 |
| 01:19.43 | ajavid | which i don't think is supported out of the box is it? |
| 01:19.50 | ajavid | !rt61 |
| 01:19.50 | dpkg | The Ralink RT61 PCI chipsets (RT2501/RT2561, RT2600/RT2661) are supported by the enhanced legacy driver (rt61) and next-generation driver (rt61pci), both available from the <rt2x00> project. Firmware is required to be loaded before driver operation. See http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci for driver and firmware installation instructions. See also <ralink firmware>, <rt2x00>. |
| 01:20.08 | ajavid | i see |
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| 01:20.59 | at0m|c | Fox_1_: i'm not sure about these fonts and xinit... but it's a short list, you can always apt-get install these again.. |
| 01:21.28 | dserban | module000, http://pastebin.com/m3669ef33 sorry there wasn't a heck of a lot I could do to clean that up :) |
| 01:21.42 | ajavid | http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2007-June/150711.html |
| 01:22.50 | ajavid | that one freebsd guru is a god among men |
| 01:23.10 | ajavid | whoever that one famous guys is who writes wireless drivers |
| 01:23.11 | ajavid | or whatever |
| 01:23.58 | at0m|c | ajavid: you can just "/msg dpkg rt61" instead of having it post here |
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| 01:24.14 | dserban | module000, I'm cleaning it up now |
| 01:24.15 | ajavid | at0m|c, cool, thanks |
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| 01:24.56 | at0m|c | ajavid: the "!" is nice if you want to use dpkg to explain to the channel |
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| 01:25.39 | module000 | dserban: you running this as root right? 5 lines up from the rror "install -m blah blah.../usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nvidia.ko.... there isn't an error for that? |
| 01:26.08 | ajavid | at0m|c, how would I go about installing the firmware? |
| 01:26.31 | dserban | module000, yes as root. 5 lines up from the install error? Let me look, I was just cleaning it up ... |
| 01:26.36 | module000 | dserban: and does /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nvidia.ko exist? |
| 01:26.37 | ajavid | the instructions on the wiki are for adding a non-free and getting ralink-firmware package |
| 01:26.48 | ajavid | however, I wish to install debian using netinst |
| 01:26.55 | ajavid | or netboot rather |
| 01:27.22 | ajavid | and my only nic is the wifi nic I mentioned earlier |
| 01:27.29 | dserban | stat: cannot stat `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nvidia.ko': No such file or directory |
| 01:27.34 | dserban | No and no error for the install |
| 01:27.52 | ajavid | or I can just install debian and just get the ralink-firmware package and dpkg -i it? |
| 01:27.59 | ajavid | would that work? |
| 01:28.15 | abrotman | !firmware installer |
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| 01:28.19 | abrotman | !installer firmware |
| 01:28.19 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to |
| 01:28.27 | chuck | How do I made aptitude uninstall a package without removing its files |
| 01:28.39 | abrotman | chuck: just aptitude remove foo |
| 01:28.40 | chuck | MySQL specifically and its /var/lib/mysql data |
| 01:28.50 | abrotman | chuck: oh .. you mean any of its files .. |
| 01:29.15 | Wyzard | I think when you install mysql, one of the debconf questions is whether the database files should be deleted when the package is removed |
| 01:29.31 | Wyzard | If you said yes, you can probably dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server (or whatever the package is called) and choose no |
| 01:29.38 | dserban | module000, it fires through pretty quickly. Hits the error within 3-4 seconds |
| 01:29.52 | Wyzard | not certain, though, since I don't use mysql |
| 01:30.14 | chuck | Nah there's no option, I'll just copy the files |
| 01:30.28 | module000 | dserban: is there an error earlier on? during compilation..about why it's not outputting nvidia.ko? |
| 01:31.12 | dserban | module000, sorry, no that's all I get. Is there a text-mode I can run with module-assistant? |
| 01:31.21 | dserban | to watch what it's doing? |
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| 01:32.16 | module000 | dserban: I don't know, what method are you using to try and compile it? |
| 01:32.32 | dserban | m-a a-i nvidia |
| 01:33.01 | dserban | omfg |
| 01:33.03 | dserban | :( |
| 01:33.20 | dserban | nvidia-kernel is what I should've run .... did that change? |
| 01:33.39 | GeekBoy | wtf? why won't NetBeans install? omfg..bs |
| 01:33.44 | dserban | module000, it just compiled/installed fine when I ran m-a a-i nvidia-kernel :s |
| 01:33.54 | dserban | like I said it's been a while |
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| 01:34.10 | module000 | dserban: hah ;] well glad it's working for you |
| 01:34.33 | dserban | module000, do you remember? Has it always been nvidia-kernel? I can swear it used to be just nvidia |
| 01:34.50 | chuck | Is there a way to make debian reload /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:35.01 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:35.36 | module000 | dserban: can't remember myself...i spend most of the day looking at a terminal |
| 01:35.38 | chuck | dang it, i made a typo |
| 01:35.45 | dserban | anyway, here I go, I'm going to have to restart X |
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| 01:36.00 | chuck | console time |
| 01:36.03 | dserban | thanks v/m module000 |
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| 01:38.02 | Gentoon | IS there a manual for compiz/beryl? |
| 01:38.13 | Gentoon | I want some eye candy! |
| 01:38.25 | beardy | !compiz |
| 01:38.26 | dpkg | hmm... compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/, #compiz @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:38.56 | Gentoon | Aw I can't use it in stable? |
| 01:39.01 | abrotman | sure |
| 01:39.16 | Gentoon | I have to setup a backport or something? |
| 01:39.21 | abrotman | no . it's in stable |
| 01:39.25 | abrotman | judd: versions compiz |
| 01:39.26 | judd | abrotman: compiz -- etch: 0.2.2-1 etch-backports: 0.5.2-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.7.6-7 sid: 0.7.6-7 squeeze: 0.7.6-8 sid: 0.8.2-4 |
| 01:39.35 | Gentoon | etch... |
| 01:39.41 | Gentoon | etch is unstable I thought? |
| 01:39.51 | Gentoon | oh lenny duh |
| 01:39.57 | beardy | No, etch is oldstable, the previous stable. |
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| 01:40.02 | Gentoon | so do I just run copiz? |
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| 01:43.15 | Gentoon | oh that website explains everything. |
| 01:43.18 | Gentoon | duh. |
| 01:43.22 | Gentoon | Thanks guys! |
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| 01:44.55 | Sakuya | hi |
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| 01:46.23 | Sakuya | I'm moving over to ext4, so I created a separate /boot partition to keep as ext3 for grub. I updated groot and the root options and ran update-grub |
| 01:46.49 | Sakuya | and I just get dumped to the grub prompt on boot, putting in the options manually loads it properly, but I can't figure out what I'm missing to get grub to see the menu.lst on boot |
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| 01:47.33 | pickcoder | different hdX,X? |
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| 01:48.30 | Sakuya | so root is sda3, new /boot is sda2, I changed groot to hd(0,1), and every root line for my entries to (hd0,1), keeping root=dev/sda3 as a option on the kernel line |
| 01:48.34 | Sakuya | did I miss anything? |
| 01:48.43 | bpun | trying out debootstrap.. i'm having problems trying to chroot it (chroot <dir>, says |
| 01:48.43 | bpun | "libgcc_s.so.1 must be installed for pthread_cancel to work")(i already dpkg-deb -x extracted with libgcc_s.so.1 in <chroot>/lib) |
| 01:48.44 | Sakuya | root=/dev/sda3 |
| 01:50.16 | pickcoder | Sakuya: did you try reinstalling grub onto the MBR? |
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| 01:51.40 | Gentoon | Okay I did everything the walkthrough said and I still get an error? |
| 01:51.45 | Gentoon | Checking for Xgl: not present. |
| 01:51.45 | Gentoon | No whitelisted driver found |
| 01:51.45 | Gentoon | aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity |
| 01:51.48 | Sakuya | I've run both update-grub and grub-install |
| 01:51.57 | abrotman | Gentoon: which X driver are you using? |
| 01:52.29 | Gentoon | abrotman: I have to check the xorg log to see? cause its not in my xorg.conf |
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| 01:55.06 | Gentoon | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/f5a826642 |
| 01:55.17 | Gentoon | I cant find the video driver, maybe you can? |
| 01:56.27 | abrotman | using the nv driver |
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| 01:56.47 | boghog | judd: versions vim |
| 01:56.49 | judd | boghog: vim -- etch: 1:7.0-122+1etch5 etch-security: 1:7.0-122+1etch5 etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2 lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 squeeze: 2:7.2.130-1 sid: 2:7.2.148-1 |
| 01:57.20 | Gentoon | abrotman: oh do I need to get the non-free one? |
| 01:57.39 | abrotman | i'd guess |
| 01:57.40 | Gentoon | oh wait there were specific nvidia instructions on that website I think |
| 01:57.46 | Sakuya | pickcoder: shluld I be using update-grub or grub-install, and should I be passing the device to it? |
| 01:57.58 | Gentoon | !dpkh nvidia |
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| 01:58.04 | Gentoon | !dpkg nvidia |
| 01:58.04 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 01:58.38 | jpinx-eeepc | dpkg will install a directory with packages in it, won't it? |
| 01:58.40 | dpkg | jpinx-eeepc: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 01:58.55 | jpinx-eeepc | silly bot! |
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| 02:00.00 | Zarathust | is it possible to install debian with some kind of software raid? |
| 02:00.20 | Zarathust | BSD has slices which can like, cat 2 drives into one |
| 02:00.21 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:00.25 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:00.26 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <installer firmware>. |
| 02:00.38 | Zarathust | thanks |
| 02:01.25 | Zarathust | do you know how that particular feature is called? |
| 02:01.41 | Zarathust | 6.3.2.3. Configuring Multidisk Devices (Software RAID) |
| 02:01.44 | Zarathust | ok i got it |
| 02:02.14 | Vantage | hi, I upgraded my sid machine to 2.6.29 which for some reason tried to switch me from grub to lilo. Of course, now it won't boot (raid w/lvm setup). I've got it up with an ubuntu live CD, but I can't figure out how to get the raid mounted so I can chroot and reload grub. Any thoughts? |
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| 02:03.16 | Vantage | i've got lvm2 and dmraid installed. dmraid -ay activates the raid, but if I try and mount it, I get an error saying it's busy or already mounted |
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| 02:06.49 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy - that group of pkgs is not installing - lots of unresolved dependencies, even after 4 or 5 attempts at dpkg -i |
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| 02:08.23 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm doing dpkg -i /path/to/pkgs/*.deb and it's running fine, but not completing |
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| 02:08.50 | Mood | if i want fluxbox to start up at login, what should i do? i've read that debian runlevel 2-5 are identical and won't help me |
| 02:09.03 | Mood | right now my runlevel is N 2 |
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| 02:09.31 | Mood | i usually login at CLI, then type startx to start fluxbox |
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| 02:11.00 | Mood | do i need gdm? |
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| 02:13.37 | at0m|c | !tell Mood about runlevels |
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| 02:13.45 | bpun | Mood, if u do startx, there's no need for gdm |
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| 02:14.26 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: How far did it go? |
| 02:14.36 | Mood | bpun: yes, i use startx, but i want it to start automatically upon login |
| 02:14.51 | bpun | Mood, so add it to your bash script... |
| 02:14.53 | unop | Mood, look at rungetty to do this for you |
| 02:15.25 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: That does (possibly) not expand in the correct way so.. do what I said in otherchan instaed, interrupt it, depending on where it is sitting now.. |
| 02:15.31 | bpun | Mood, u can also use gdm and use it's autologin feature |
| 02:16.04 | bpun | Mood, i dont know how else to use gdmsetup than initially using xinit under root... |
| 02:16.42 | unop | there's an option to configure it at the GDM greeter itself (supplying the root password) |
| 02:18.37 | Mood | hmm... gdm appears to have a lot of dependencies -- is there another solution for auto startx? i'm not sure if rungetty is what i'm looking for |
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| 02:19.02 | Mood | (i need a minimal footprint for an old system) |
| 02:19.12 | abrotman | use cron/@reboot/startx perhaps |
| 02:19.34 | beardy | xdm has surely less |
| 02:20.13 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: I'm trying the packages one ata time |
| 02:20.33 | Mood | abrotman: cron is an idea... but seems a bit of a hack. beardy xdm seems like a viable solution, thanks. |
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| 02:21.00 | beardy | I was going to say that.. what abrotman said is as good if it's a one user machine. |
| 02:21.02 | abrotman | not sure xdm has the autologin feature |
| 02:21.25 | beardy | No, it doesn't. So if automatic login is the issue, do what abrotman said. |
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| 02:22.05 | Mood | a cron job? hmm... i'll need to read up on it a bit... is that what you do abrotman? |
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| 02:22.42 | beardy | !run at boot |
| 02:22.42 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 02:22.51 | beardy | Meh.. |
| 02:23.11 | abrotman | Mood: start an X session without logging in? heck no |
| 02:23.13 | beardy | Mood: 'man 1 crontab', 'man 5 crontab' keyword @reboot |
| 02:23.47 | Mood | abrotman: ah, no, actually, startx only after logging in. beardy: let me try those |
| 02:24.14 | abrotman | Mood: uh .. i thought you wanted fluxbox to start when the system boots ? |
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| 02:24.37 | Mood | abrotman: nope, just startx after logging in |
| 02:24.48 | abrotman | Mood: then just put startx at the bottom of your .bashrc |
| 02:24.53 | Lucid1231 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.59 | Mood | abrotman: ah no way, that's so easy! :-) thank you |
| 02:25.06 | beardy | Heh. |
| 02:25.16 | abrotman | Mood: it's all easy .. next week we show you how to have fluxbox make eggs |
| 02:25.40 | Mood | abrotman: scrambled or hardboiled? ;-P |
| 02:25.47 | beardy | Mood: Chocolate! |
| 02:25.48 | abrotman | poached |
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| 02:27.19 | Mood | btw- do you know how ubuntu starts it's DE? i grepped .bashrc but didn't see a startx... not important, just curious |
| 02:27.31 | Mood | oh wait, it probably uses gdm |
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| 02:29.09 | jpinx-eeepc | fluxbox != chicken ;) |
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| 02:30.46 | Sertse | hi, my reportbug in sid lost it's gtk interface.. |
| 02:30.50 | Sertse | its only has text mode |
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| 02:34.21 | linuxman410 | has anyone tried running debian 5 on 500mhz |
| 02:34.27 | abrotman | would think you'd file a bug on it ... |
| 02:34.34 | abrotman | linuxman410: 500Mhz *what* ? |
| 02:34.45 | linuxman410 | p 3 desktop |
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| 02:34.50 | safemode | ok, debian unstable has openjdk and sun-java pkgs in the non-free. Both provide the same thing. I have both installed (for fun). but certain java pkgs seem to depend on openjdk specifically, and i dont know of any logical reason why... shouldn't they simply depend on the jre-runtime ? |
| 02:34.53 | Mood | linuxman410: i run debian 5 lenny on ppc 500 MHz |
| 02:35.05 | abrotman | linuxman410: what about it? should be fine |
| 02:35.08 | beardy | linuxman410: ..yes. Doesn't matter. You need enough RAM, that's all. |
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| 02:35.16 | Mood | linuxman410: i also run debian 5 lenny on x86 500MHz |
| 02:35.42 | linuxman410 | well i am running on 500mhz p3 with 229 ram and 8,5 gig hardrive |
| 02:35.52 | beardy | I don't recall if it's bloated up over 32MB now or not. |
| 02:36.14 | linuxman410 | i am running xfce |
| 02:36.18 | Mood | linuxman410: just don't try to surf youtube pages/flash pages w/o a graphics card |
| 02:36.36 | abrotman | Mood: you have flash for links2? |
| 02:36.37 | linuxman410 | i have a geforce 4 in mine |
| 02:36.49 | Mood | abrotman: nope, neer tried it. have you? |
| 02:36.53 | Mood | never* |
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| 02:37.14 | Mood | linuxman410: fluxbox has a smaller footprint vs xfce for 500 MHz machine, fyi |
| 02:37.34 | abrotman | lots of things have a smaller footprint |
| 02:37.36 | beardy | And a lot of other things smaller. |
| 02:37.45 | linuxman410 | what about lxde |
| 02:37.49 | Mood | true, true |
| 02:37.51 | MickMaster | Do I just change the order of the entries in menu.lst to change the default voot entry? (the one on top boots by default?) |
| 02:38.02 | MickMaster | s/voot/boot |
| 02:38.16 | abrotman | MickMaster: there's a 'default' config option in the menu.lst |
| 02:38.23 | Mood | abrotman: links2 can view flash pages? that's a surprise for me |
| 02:38.29 | MickMaster | abrotman: didn't see that thanks. |
| 02:38.33 | abrotman | Mood: it was a joke |
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| 02:38.43 | Mood | abrotman: harr harr ;-P |
| 02:39.02 | Mood | abrotman: i only get jokes with egg references |
| 02:39.22 | abrotman | ah ,. an egghead |
| 02:39.49 | Mood | si, cajones cabeza |
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| 02:40.56 | Vantage | ok, so I can get the drive mounted, but now I have to figure out how to either fix lilo or get grub back installed... Any advice? |
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| 02:41.39 | MickMaster | abrotman: okay I see it, so if I want windows (I know I know, friends comp) to boot by default I want to set default to 4 or 5 in this situation? http://pastebin.com/f1ae1cda |
| 02:42.54 | abrotman | MickMaster: probably .. issue being that when a new kernel gets installed, it might mess it up .. so make sure your friend understands how to change it |
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| 02:44.09 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 02:44.20 | lkthomas | if use init 1, does it means all service will be stop ? |
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| 02:45.18 | at0m|c | !tell lkthomas about runlevels |
| 02:45.19 | MickMaster | abrotman: abrotman I'm confused, 4 or 5? |
| 02:45.28 | at0m|c | hah! this time it sure was appropriate |
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| 02:45.42 | lkthomas | thx |
| 02:45.47 | MickMaster | Gor Beryl is so damn sexi! |
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| 02:46.43 | abrotman | MickMaster: did you read the paragraph above that 'default' thing ? |
| 02:47.03 | MickMaster | abrotman: ya? I didnt see how it was relevant? |
| 02:47.12 | abrotman | it tells you how to always make one the default |
| 02:47.17 | abrotman | regardless of number |
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| 02:47.31 | MickMaster | I know 0 is where you start counting but, that weird thaing that says "other operating systemsss" is that an entry, does it get counted? |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | MickMaster: s/5/saved/ |
| 02:47.51 | abrotman | erm .. s/4/saved/ |
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| 02:48.12 | beardy | s/saved/6/ |
| 02:48.27 | MickMaster | Its okay I am never installing another kernel... |
| 02:48.33 | abrotman | yes you are |
| 02:48.34 | MickMaster | I'll just use a number |
| 02:48.41 | cps0 | hi |
| 02:48.46 | MickMaster | sighs |
| 02:48.54 | cps0 | i just updated my unstable debian |
| 02:48.58 | MickMaster | Can you please just tell me what number to put? |
| 02:49.04 | cps0 | and now i getting erros from acpid |
| 02:49.11 | abrotman | MickMaster: put in the word 'saved' |
| 02:49.13 | beardy | Oh boho. |
| 02:49.15 | cps0 | and also acpi-support |
| 02:49.20 | cps0 | saying |
| 02:49.21 | MickMaster | I don't want to use the saved option |
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| 02:49.29 | MickMaster | I just want to put a number |
| 02:49.36 | cps0 | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the acpid package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
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| 02:49.49 | beardy | cps0: Checked BTS? |
| 02:49.50 | MickMaster | I don't know if the windows entry is counted as 4 or 5 |
| 02:49.53 | cps0 | as anyone seeing this? |
| 02:49.54 | at0m|c | MickMaster: one reboot will give exclusion |
| 02:50.07 | MickMaster | I don't want to reboot... |
| 02:50.09 | abrotman | MickMaster: if you try 5 .. and the highest is 4 .. i thikn it will go to 4 |
| 02:50.11 | cps0 | what is BTS? |
| 02:50.13 | beardy | !btssmite cps0 |
| 02:50.13 | dpkg | beats cps0 around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if cps0 is running testing or unstable |
| 02:50.16 | MickMaster | Thats why I came all the way in here to ask... |
| 02:50.18 | dudes2013 | Hi there! Anyone knows how to install LVM crypted partition using the debian 5 alternate installer but without using the full disk...(I need to keep the 2 first partitions intact)? Do I have to create first a LVM partition or a crypted one? And then how/where/when do I decide the logical partition content? The installer wants a root /... |
| 02:50.19 | abrotman | though that sounds like a bad way to do it :) |
| 02:50.34 | MickMaster | http://pastebin.com/f1ae1cda |
| 02:50.52 | MickMaster | There is the menu.lst can anyone please tell me what entry number the windows is? |
| 02:51.39 | mmind | MickMaster, did you read the comments at the top? it says numbering starts with zero |
| 02:51.46 | MickMaster | YES |
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| 02:51.51 | MickMaster | I already said that |
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| 02:52.01 | mmind | and, presumably, increments by one in an ascending direction |
| 02:52.04 | melik | where is iptables configuration files located? |
| 02:52.17 | abrotman | mmind: that's crazy talk |
| 02:52.25 | MickMaster | The problem is I dont know to count the "Other operating systems" thing as an entry or not... |
| 02:52.31 | abrotman | melik: you make it wherever you would like |
| 02:52.41 | abrotman | MickMaster: i believe you do |
| 02:52.49 | MickMaster | Why do I always have to repeat myself like 14 times in this room? |
| 02:52.50 | mmind | MickMaster, you could just take out the divider entry |
| 02:53.01 | melik | abrotman, how would iptables know where to load it from? |
| 02:53.09 | MickMaster | mmind: I don't know if that will break everything... |
| 02:53.11 | abrotman | melik: you tell it when you use iptables-restore |
| 02:53.16 | abrotman | MickMaster: it will not |
| 02:53.19 | melik | ah allright |
| 02:53.19 | mmind | MickMaster, removing the divider will not break anything |
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| 02:56.59 | dudes2013 | Ok, more simply. Creating LVM crypted partitions, do I first create the LVM and then the crypted volume? or the other way around (maybe i'm totally wrong and it's an other way...) |
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| 02:57.22 | dondelelcaro | dudes2013: you can do it either way |
| 02:57.49 | dondelelcaro | dudes2013: probably doing crypt on top of lvm is more flexible, though. |
| 02:58.32 | dudes2013 | dondelelcaro, if there is 3 LVM each of them crypted, I suppose there will be 3 passphrase? |
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| 03:03.30 | Stanlin | Help, what fits Core 2 DUO, amd64 or IA64? |
| 03:03.53 | abrotman | amd64 or i386 |
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| 03:04.15 | Stanlin | abrotman: thanks bro |
| 03:04.33 | Stanlin | abrotman: any issues with amd64? |
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| 03:04.46 | abrotman | Stanlin: no idea what you intend to do with the machine, couldn't tell you |
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| 03:05.06 | Stanlin | abrotman: laptop/workstation |
| 03:05.32 | abrotman | either should be fine .. |
| 03:05.32 | nb9no9nr9 | evenin peeps |
| 03:05.38 | abrotman | if you really can't decide .. go i386 |
| 03:05.40 | nb9no9nr9 | the stable version of debian doesnt updtae when it changes versions--does it? |
| 03:05.50 | nb9no9nr9 | *update |
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| 03:06.32 | nb9no9nr9 | in other words--if you have etch installed--its not going to update to lenny when you apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 03:06.59 | chuck | nb9no9nr9: No, it won't do that automatically, you have to setup the new sources in /etc/apt/sources.list and use some other commands to upgrade |
| 03:07.16 | Stanlin | well i guess, amd64 is faster fast |
| 03:07.23 | nb9no9nr9 | just cahnge the sources is all you need then chuck? |
| 03:07.31 | chuck | !tell nb9no9nr9 about etch->lenny |
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| 03:07.47 | Sakuya | well, finally got that grub issue fixed |
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| 03:08.03 | Gentoon | Has anyone made a simple way to configure compiz plugins yet? |
| 03:08.06 | chuck | ack |
| 03:08.13 | Sakuya | is the icedteda/openjdk java plugin that works in 64 bit browsers fully 64-bit, or just a wraper around a 32-bit version? |
| 03:08.14 | chuck | Come back, dpkg |
| 03:08.15 | chuck | :P |
| 03:08.16 | Gentoon | Or does it all still need to be manually done with gconf? |
| 03:08.40 | chuck | nb9no9nr9: did you get a pm from the bot? it seems to have freaked out a bit |
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| 03:09.52 | stew | chuck: you can't use ! with a factoid containing > (like etch->lenny) |
| 03:10.13 | nb9no9nr9 | i am having a problem with etch here with the clock--the time on my motherboard is set to american central time--i just checked it--and the set time/date thing on the clock display in the lower right of kde is also set for ameican central--yet every time i reboot the time is moved backwqards 5 hours |
| 03:10.15 | chuck | .-. |
| 03:10.34 | nb9no9nr9 | no chuck the bot died |
| 03:10.35 | chuck | stew: what's the right way to do it? |
| 03:12.25 | nb9no9nr9 | i really just want to fix this clock issue--i will worry about upgrading to lenny later |
| 03:12.25 | stew | chuck: dpkg: tell someone about etch->lenny |
| 03:12.28 | stack | I can't understand why if I do /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop it doesn't do nothing... |
| 03:12.39 | chuck | stew: kk |
| 03:14.59 | nb9no9nr9 | http://www.ixquick.com/ <-----anyone have anything good/bad to say about this search engine? |
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| 03:19.09 | Stanlin | ok installing Debian in my laptop |
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| 03:21.47 | maxagaz | why this command doesn't work ? => ls | file |
| 03:22.20 | Pancho | maxagaz: ls|xargs file |
| 03:22.22 | unop | maxagaz, what are you trying to do ? |
| 03:22.41 | unop | file * |
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| 03:22.49 | unop | no need for ls |
| 03:22.58 | Pancho | True |
| 03:25.46 | maxagaz | Pancho, why does it work with grep without xargs ? |
| 03:26.48 | unop | maxagaz, file does not take input on STDIN (meaning you can't pipe to it) .. but grep does |
| 03:27.16 | dondelelcaro | uh... ls|xargs grep; and ls|grep to totally different things |
| 03:27.21 | Sakuya | okay |
| 03:27.23 | dondelelcaro | s/to/do/ |
| 03:27.25 | unop | maxagaz, and if you ever find yourself doing something like ls | command #think again, there's always a better way. |
| 03:27.40 | Sakuya | so now, can I figure out how/why icedtea-gcjwebplugin keps causing iceweasel to lock up? |
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| 03:29.59 | lkthomas | guys |
| 03:30.09 | lkthomas | how could I use copy command with preserved premission ? |
| 03:30.20 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: man cp; read about -a |
| 03:30.36 | dondelelcaro | (and the other, related options if you don't want everything that -a preserves preserved) |
| 03:31.53 | maxagaz | unop, thanks |
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| 03:32.14 | maxagaz | unop, is there a better way in this case ? |
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| 03:32.44 | lkthomas | thank you |
| 03:32.46 | lkthomas | working :) |
| 03:33.03 | unop | maxagaz, well, i did ask what you were trying to do? |
| 03:33.37 | gotnone_ | I have been looking for i386 boot disks for potato 2.2r3 to recreate filesystem metadata on a partition initialized under that install disk |
| 03:34.01 | maxagaz | unop, do file on the files that are in /sbin to check which one are bash scripts |
| 03:34.31 | gotnone_ | I find the 2.2r7 quite easily, but I am not certain that the defaults on the mkfs.ext2 will be the same |
| 03:36.11 | unop | maxagaz, for obj in /sbin/* ; do if [[ $(file -i "$obj") = "text/x-shellscript" ]]; then echo "$obj"; fi; done |
| 03:37.25 | unop | maxagaz, correction. for obj in /sbin/* ; do if [[ $(file -ib "$obj") = "text/x-shellscript" ]]; then echo "$obj"; fi; done |
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| 03:38.27 | grendal_prime | hey guys..im setting up tripwire on a box. everything seems to have gone fine with the install....im just confused with a warning dialog i got at the end of the setup process. |
| 03:38.52 | grendal_prime | The Tripwire binaries are located in /usr/sbin and the database is located in /var/lib/tripwire. It is strongly advised that these locations be stored on write-protected media (e.g. mounted RO floppy). See /usr/share/doc/tripwire/README.Debian for details. |
| 03:39.29 | grendal_prime | Ive read the document but i still do not understand what to do with these files...i remove them? |
| 03:39.51 | grendal_prime | i mean move them to some write protected location? |
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| 03:40.03 | grendal_prime | so that they are no longer on the actual system anymore? |
| 03:40.30 | unop | grendal_prime, it means .. if you leave the tripwire binaries in /usr/sbin - they can be corrupted (perhaps maliciously) and you won't be able to know the better .. so shift them to a secure location |
| 03:41.16 | gotnone_ | grendal_prime, the suggestion is that you place them so that they can not be written to. A hacker with root access can undo any software read only permissions you set, only physical read only settings are sufficient to prevent a determined remote attacker |
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| 03:42.51 | grendal_prime | ok...making sence now.. |
| 03:43.06 | grendal_prime | so, one idea would be a...usb device not on the actual box. |
| 03:45.00 | grendal_prime | so now every time i update the system i need to plug this in, run the detection process to see if anything was changed, then make my changes, and rerun the setup to record the changes i have made, then remove the device make it wread only so i dont erase the database and binary on accident. Is this correct? |
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| 03:46.20 | grendal_prime | I suppose the other way of doing it would be to copy them up every time i want to do this and copy them to the device every time im done? |
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| 03:46.42 | H4ck3r | Can we use like this "mailx < `find ./`" |
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| 03:47.14 | gotnone | does anyone have a potato 2.2r3 installation cd or more specifically, the boot floppies for i386? I can only seem to find 2.2r7 |
| 03:47.15 | H4ck3r | with body content is got from find command's result |
| 03:47.41 | dondelelcaro | gotnone: uh... why would you want that? |
| 03:48.40 | dondelelcaro | gotnone: the primary difference between 2.2r3 and r7 is security fixes, and you almost certainly want them. [Of course, it's not like potato doesn't have known security issues *anyway*, but...] |
| 03:49.03 | gotnone_ | I need to recreate the exact same ext2fs for recovery of a damaged disk. I lost all of the superblocks. I am afraid that 2.2r7 uses a slightly different settings than 2.2r3 by default |
| 03:49.34 | dondelelcaro | gotnone_: including all of the backup superblocks? |
| 03:50.09 | dondelelcaro | gotnone_: the mkfs stuff hasn't changed much, and it's not like you can't use mkfs with -n to produce the locations of the superblocks |
| 03:50.21 | gotnone_ | yes. hexdump shows some interesting things. I am not sure if a failed fsck or a faulty hardware/driver killed all of the superblocks during the fsck |
| 03:50.58 | dondelelcaro | well, if the backup superblocks are toast, then things are bad. Make an image, and try with the current verison of mkfs.ext2, which should produce the same output. |
| 03:52.30 | gotnone_ | dondelelcaro, problem is, i don't know important parameters like block size, etc. I know slink used 1k blocks, but I don't know what 2.23r used. I vaguely remember that it asked some questions prior to the mkfs.ext2, like 2.2r7 |
| 03:52.56 | dondelelcaro | it only asks questions if you had it in expert mode |
| 03:53.24 | dondelelcaro | and the only change between r3 and r7 were security fixes, anyway. |
| 03:53.42 | dondelelcaro | (you can always check the changelogs if you don't believe me) |
| 03:53.57 | gotnone_ | dondelelcaro, thanks for the pointers |
| 03:54.21 | dondelelcaro | gotnone_: things like block-size would have been guessed from -T, which is about the only question that should have been asked. |
| 03:54.41 | dondelelcaro | (and that, only if you were in expert mode) |
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| 03:56.08 | gotnone_ | dondelelcaro, I really can't remember with distinction that far into the past. I am hoping that I can recover the file system without resorting to file carving techniques. Thanks for your input |
| 03:56.44 | dondelelcaro | gotnone_: and I assume debugfs doesn't provide any useful information? |
| 03:56.54 | dondelelcaro | (perhaps in -c mode) |
| 03:58.21 | gotnone_ | dondelelcaro, I did not have luck with that without inserting a valid superblock, but I will give it a try |
| 03:58.57 | Vantage | Hi, I'm getting Fatal: chroot /dev/root: No such file or directory on boot. Any idea how to fix this? |
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| 04:14.23 | Vantage | what is /dev/root? |
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| 04:17.13 | melik | is 'webmin' in the debian repsositories? |
| 04:17.18 | melik | repositories* |
| 04:17.41 | melik | Package webmin is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 04:18.47 | bpun | melik, probably webmin's site... |
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| 04:20.00 | bpun | !tell melik about webmin |
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| 04:21.32 | melik | haha |
| 04:21.45 | bluethundr | guys.. users in sudoers cannot touch files in /usr/share/tomcat5.5/temp directory |
| 04:22.36 | bluethundr | melik: something a little more contructive perhaps? :p |
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| 04:24.03 | melik | oh my comment was toward bpun |
| 04:24.30 | bpun | melik, that was dpkg, the bot ... |
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| 04:29.25 | bonez46 | is there any utility to run, to download the right drivers for video, for linux? Most are win/dos based |
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| 04:30.13 | jetscreamer | not really. what vid card. |
| 04:30.21 | jetscreamer | !which driver |
| 04:30.21 | dpkg | hmm... driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 04:36.32 | theswellseason | how does one dpkg something on a system that doesn't have the dpkg utility? |
| 04:37.02 | beardy | theswellseason: Install a .deb you mean? |
| 04:37.06 | jpinx-eeepc | is it debian? |
| 04:37.07 | theswellseason | yes |
| 04:37.19 | beardy | theswellseason: Well.. if it is Debian, you have dpkg.. |
| 04:37.23 | theswellseason | nope |
| 04:37.26 | theswellseason | it seems to have been removed |
| 04:37.38 | jetscreamer | that's a neat trick |
| 04:37.41 | beardy | theswellseason: You are trying this as root? |
| 04:37.52 | jetscreamer | you sure it's just not in your path? |
| 04:37.55 | jpinx-eeepc | use su |
| 04:38.05 | jpinx-eeepc | or sudo |
| 04:38.07 | theswellseason | yes he's root |
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| 04:38.26 | jpinx-eeepc | what jetscreamer said |
| 04:38.28 | beardy | It's a very broken Debian system if it was from the beginning then. |
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| 04:38.48 | theswellseason | idk, I think it was removed for security reasons |
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| 04:39.30 | jpinx-eeepc | didn't think you could remove dpkg |
| 04:39.33 | bpun | any chroot experts? |
| 04:39.57 | kittonian | i just setup nss-pgsql and pam-pgsql but they aren't doing anything yet. is there something I need to do to get them to start reading through the db? |
| 04:40.03 | beardy | bpun: Ask a real question. |
| 04:40.17 | jetscreamer | wonders what happens if you dpkg --purge dpkg |
| 04:40.29 | jetscreamer | scary sounding |
| 04:40.38 | jpinx-eeepc | weeeeeeee |
| 04:40.44 | theswellseason | jetscreamer, I'm on the verge of trying that |
| 04:40.46 | theswellseason | :/ |
| 04:40.53 | jpinx-eeepc | save the data and reinstall theswellseason |
| 04:40.56 | theswellseason | just to know what happens |
| 04:41.00 | theswellseason | hahahaahaha |
| 04:41.01 | bpun | beardy, i can chroot /othenv, rather than chroot /mntpoint/subdir/otherenv .. proc is set... |
| 04:41.18 | theswellseason | well that's the thing, he doesn't have that option |
| 04:41.22 | theswellseason | all he has is ssh access |
| 04:41.31 | jpinx-eeepc | ssh is enough |
| 04:41.37 | bpun | nmind, i guess he doesnt know either... |
| 04:41.45 | jpinx-eeepc | wget the stuff you need and off you go |
| 04:41.49 | theswellseason | no wget |
| 04:41.55 | jpinx-eeepc | wtf??? |
| 04:42.05 | theswellseason | lol that's what he was trying to dpkg |
| 04:42.27 | jpinx-eeepc | this is getting silly;) |
| 04:42.28 | beardy | theswellseason: You use aptitude to install things. |
| 04:42.28 | theswellseason | wonders how this box functions |
| 04:42.39 | theswellseason | no apt-get |
| 04:42.48 | jpinx-eeepc | paste the output of dpkg -l |
| 04:42.52 | beardy | I said what I said for a reason. |
| 04:42.53 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 04:43.09 | jpinx-eeepc | expects a short list |
| 04:43.14 | theswellseason | nothing |
| 04:43.39 | jpinx-eeepc | what beardy asked you for |
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| 04:43.46 | beardy | theswellseason: 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
| 04:44.05 | beardy | wonder if jpinx-eeepc does mindreading. |
| 04:44.20 | jetscreamer | what about the full path. /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 04:45.06 | jpinx-eeepc | maybe the output of ls /usr/bin | grep dpkg |
| 04:45.07 | theswellseason | it's not there |
| 04:45.09 | theswellseason | btw |
| 04:45.28 | bpun | anyone here use debootstrap? |
| 04:45.28 | theswellseason | and the output of 'cat /etc/debian_version' is in french |
| 04:46.00 | jpinx-eeepc | what's debian_verson saying in whatever language? |
| 04:46.27 | jetscreamer | poe-tay-toe |
| 04:46.33 | theswellseason | cat: /etc/debian_version: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type |
| 04:46.39 | theswellseason | sbin # cat /proc/version |
| 04:46.39 | theswellseason | Linux version 2.6.27.10-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-32 (root@****) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1) ) #5 SMP Wed Apr 1 13:09:49 UTC 2009 |
| 04:46.58 | jpinx-eeepc | etch ? |
| 04:47.06 | jetscreamer | grsec |
| 04:47.15 | jpinx-eeepc | on a virtual machine I guess |
| 04:47.18 | jetscreamer | tries to remember |
| 04:47.28 | jpinx-eeepc | possibly xen |
| 04:47.41 | theswellseason | most likely a VPS |
| 04:47.53 | theswellseason | idk what he's messing around in |
| 04:47.56 | theswellseason | but that's what he's getting |
| 04:47.57 | ajavid | yo |
| 04:48.01 | beardy | theswellseason: ... |
| 04:48.02 | jetscreamer | !grsec |
| 04:48.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, grsecurity is http://www.grsecurity.net/features.php http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1551 |
| 04:48.04 | theswellseason | and he doesn't know linux, so he's asking me |
| 04:48.23 | theswellseason | beardy: .... |
| 04:48.28 | jpinx-eeepc | theswellseason: is the box physically in your premises? |
| 04:48.32 | theswellseason | no |
| 04:48.37 | theswellseason | hence only ssh access |
| 04:48.46 | jpinx-eeepc | what has he hacked into then? |
| 04:48.46 | beardy | theswellseason: Is it your box at all? |
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| 04:48.56 | theswellseason | no, and yes he has permission |
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| 04:49.24 | theswellseason | it's a challenge of sorts that a friend of his gave him |
| 04:49.35 | beardy | Then hopefully he has not root access. |
| 04:49.44 | jpinx-eeepc | it's a virtual box and might even be on a compressed filesystem read-only |
| 04:49.45 | theswellseason | I think it's just a throw-away vps |
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| 04:49.54 | beardy | And whatever it is, it's not Debian. |
| 04:49.56 | jpinx-eeepc | which would explain them deleting dpkg |
| 04:50.02 | theswellseason | that his friend bought to stump him |
| 04:50.08 | theswellseason | bought/configured |
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| 04:50.31 | jpinx-eeepc | maybe on squashfs |
| 04:50.43 | theswellseason | lol |
| 04:50.48 | jpinx-eeepc | read-only OS |
| 04:50.52 | theswellseason | I think he just gave up |
| 04:51.03 | jpinx-eeepc | good - now can we give up too? |
| 04:51.25 | theswellseason | sure |
| 04:51.26 | theswellseason | lol |
| 04:53.56 | jetscreamer | unpack the .deb and install manually |
| 04:53.59 | jetscreamer | sshfs |
| 04:54.07 | jetscreamer | to get it there |
| 04:54.12 | jetscreamer | or ftp |
| 04:56.34 | melik | how do i "clean" my current iptables set up? |
| 04:57.16 | beardy | melik: There is a --flush (man iptables), it wont glush some of the nat tables though IIRC. |
| 04:57.29 | beardy | s/glush/flush/ |
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| 04:58.59 | melik | beardy, everytime i do that; it seems like the server crashes ;? |
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| 05:00.12 | Stanlin | Help!! the gnome font size is to big... how to reduce it |
| 05:00.34 | melik | beardy, does it usually take a long time? |
| 05:00.45 | kittonian | can anyone give me a hand with nss-pgsql? |
| 05:00.55 | bpun | Stanlin, select preference/appearance.. fonts, and set dpi to 96.. |
| 05:00.58 | kittonian | i setup everything correctly (i think) and have this running on another server |
| 05:01.12 | beardy | melik: It takes some time just to list them too, sometimes. So yes, sometimes. |
| 05:01.30 | Stanlin | appareance!! |
| 05:01.46 | kittonian | for some reason this new system isn't reading the db for any users. it still reads the normal /etc/passwd, etc. files properly but nothing from the db is registered |
| 05:01.54 | kittonian | do I need to restart something for this to take effect? |
| 05:03.49 | Stanlin | bpun: ok reduced a bit, but after ive installed nvidia drivers, the font of the menus are still big, wont change with the preferences settings |
| 05:04.17 | bpun | Stanlin, did u set it to 96 dpi? xdpyinfo may say... |
| 05:04.18 | melik | damn beardy didn't work :/ |
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| 05:04.34 | melik | still have my old set up |
| 05:04.40 | jetscreamer | Stanlin: i'm sure this has nothing to do with you, but when i don't use gdm, my fonts get huge in icewm, but if i use gdm, the fonts look good |
| 05:05.11 | Stanlin | jetscreamer: i use gdm |
| 05:05.16 | Stanlin | bpun: ok testing |
| 05:05.20 | jetscreamer | see, i was right! :/ |
| 05:05.31 | beardy | melik: Check the manual, perhaps it's not --flush then. |
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| 05:06.00 | beardy | melik: It was though. |
| 05:06.10 | bpun | Stanlin, appearancepferences/fonts then click details button |
| 05:06.17 | melik | yeah beardy, i know |
| 05:06.21 | melik | weird :/ |
| 05:06.24 | Stanlin | bpun: i did that |
| 05:06.41 | Stanlin | bpun: the fonts on the windows changes, but not on the menus, they are still big |
| 05:07.30 | Wicked | im trying to figure out what kinda nic i have my machine and for some reason there is no lspci...how do i install lspci? |
| 05:08.00 | bpun | Wicked, su - instead of su |
| 05:08.04 | jetscreamer | you sure it's just not in your path? |
| 05:08.18 | Wicked | not in /sbin either |
| 05:08.23 | Wicked | and not in my path |
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| 05:08.31 | Wicked | bpun, i always su - |
| 05:08.49 | melik | beardy, the problem is.. i input/output for ports 21/22/80 |
| 05:08.49 | bpun | Wicked, add it to root's ~/profile or .bashrc |
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| 05:08.58 | melik | and now i cant seem to access the debian repositories lol |
| 05:09.13 | Wicked | bpun, add what? |
| 05:09.19 | beardy | melik: http or ftp? |
| 05:09.25 | Pancho | Wicked, Do you have pciutils installed? |
| 05:09.31 | melik | hang on |
| 05:09.34 | Wicked | even if i do "locate lspci" it doesnt find it |
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| 05:09.38 | Wicked | hmm pancho |
| 05:09.47 | jetscreamer | aptitude install pciutils |
| 05:09.56 | Wicked | no for some reason it wasnt |
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| 05:09.59 | Wicked | installing now. thanks :) |
| 05:10.07 | Pancho | Wicked, sure |
| 05:10.12 | Wicked | there we go. perfect. |
| 05:10.24 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 05:10.25 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt, or <bot help> |
| 05:10.28 | jetscreamer | apt-file |
| 05:10.37 | jetscreamer | install it too |
| 05:11.00 | Wicked | ah ok. noted |
| 05:12.48 | bpun | anyone knows if it is possible to chroot /mntpoint/subdir/chroot ? |
| 05:12.49 | kittonian | can anyone help me with this nsswitch issue? |
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| 05:16.42 | melik | beardy, its the FTP repositories |
| 05:16.45 | melik | sry for the late reply |
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| 05:22.36 | kunal | hello. |
| 05:22.56 | bpun | chrooted to my debootstrap path -> "libgcc_s.so.1 must be installed for pthread_cancel to work |
| 05:22.56 | bpun | " .. and fails to chroot.. |
| 05:23.05 | bpun | been on it all day today.. |
| 05:23.10 | kunal | is there any program or way i could enable dual screen? |
| 05:23.26 | bpun | only works when chroot /subdirectory rather than /mntpoint/subdirectory... |
| 05:23.40 | bpun | kunal, look into xinerama |
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| 05:23.44 | kunal | ok. thans |
| 05:23.49 | kunal | thanks |
| 05:24.04 | bpun | !tell kunal about xinerama |
| 05:24.51 | jetscreamer | nvidia and ati have their own methods iirc, and nvidia + xinerama is a thing to read the manpage on |
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| 05:28.16 | unop | what's up with http://packages.debian.org ? is it down for good? |
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| 05:28.35 | Stanlin | On debin |
| 05:28.42 | Stanlin | what is the name of the windows manager? |
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| 05:28.48 | bpun | unop, it's not down for me.. |
| 05:28.51 | \amethyst | unop: works here |
| 05:29.04 | bpun | Stanlin, gnome and metacity |
| 05:29.04 | jetscreamer | unop: you're not worthy, it only not works for you |
| 05:29.21 | mosno | basks in package.debian goodness |
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| 05:29.26 | unop | hmm .. indeed, sucks to be me |
| 05:29.37 | Stanlin | bpun and the one to administrate compiz? |
| 05:29.37 | jetscreamer | Stanlin: it depends on what you installed |
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| 05:29.45 | swolchok | when a program dies because of SIGTERM, are writes automatically flushed, or do i have to set that up myself? |
| 05:30.00 | bpun | !tell Stanlin about compiz |
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| 05:33.08 | Stanlin | how to enable compiz? |
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| 05:34.21 | jetscreamer | something about compiz --replace but i did it once long ago and --purged compiz |
| 05:34.28 | jetscreamer | it's in the link, iirc |
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| 05:36.13 | jetscreamer | gee there it is http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
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| 05:37.32 | \amethyst | swolchok: you have to set that up yourself |
| 05:38.23 | Stanlin | thanks |
| 05:38.29 | Stanlin | it works straight forward |
| 05:38.33 | Stanlin | apt-get install compiz |
| 05:38.40 | Stanlin | voila! |
| 05:38.51 | jetscreamer | that link has a list of hotkeys |
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| 05:39.03 | jetscreamer | which i'd never seen before :) |
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| 05:42.30 | ZupZupper | morning |
| 05:42.56 | Stanlin | what was the site for debian to install Adobe Flash? |
| 05:43.05 | Stanlin | and other stuff like codecs, etc |
| 05:44.00 | unop | debian multimedia ? |
| 05:44.25 | ZupZupper | Stanlin: do you mean the restricted codecs and stuff? |
| 05:44.30 | ZupZupper | WMV, flash, divx, etc |
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| 05:44.46 | jetscreamer | flash is in sources |
| 05:44.49 | unop | !dmm |
| 05:44.49 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 05:44.52 | jetscreamer | but dmm better |
| 05:45.13 | Stanlin | yeah all that prohibited stuff |
| 05:45.18 | Stanlin | thank you! |
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| 05:45.38 | jetscreamer | contrib non-free |
| 05:45.42 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 05:45.42 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [etch|lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
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| 05:47.22 | Stanlin | wow this has everything |
| 05:47.34 | Stanlin | debian runs 5x faster than vista ... wohoo |
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| 05:49.23 | ZupZupper | Stanlin: Everything runs 5x faster than Vista ;-) |
| 05:49.42 | ZupZupper | Debian's awesome though |
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| 05:52.16 | bpun | anyone here uses an nslu2? |
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| 05:54.51 | Stanlin | that is the |
| 05:55.00 | Stanlin | name of adobe flash package? |
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| 06:00.11 | Stanlin | what is the name of the swf player that comes by default? |
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| 06:01.48 | hifi | Stanlin: depends which package you are installing |
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| 06:02.48 | simonrvn | there is no default swf player |
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| 06:03.37 | Stanlin | thanks i figured out |
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| 06:03.52 | Stanlin | swfdec |
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| 06:06.36 | WormFood | how do I get debuild -us -uc to honor my MAKEFLAGS? (I just want it to use more than 1 thread) |
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| 06:18.29 | OpenTokix | WormFood: does it have threading? |
| 06:19.01 | WormFood | it is a quad core cpu (Q6600) |
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| 06:20.44 | WormFood | real11m20.105s | user8m31.804s | sys2m0.644s <-- with the -j4 option, it took about 5 minutes to do a 'make' |
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| 06:21.53 | anddam | hello |
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| 06:30.00 | OpenTokix | WormFood: yes, but does the program you are compiling have threadingsupport? |
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| 06:30.18 | mahesh_c | hello |
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| 06:30.35 | WormFood | I would expect it does, but what I want to do does not matter about what I'm compiling |
| 06:30.55 | mahesh_c | how can i install Sun StorageTek ExpressModule SAS HBA driver in debian ? |
| 06:31.00 | WormFood | I'm trying to make it compile anything using at least 4 threads |
| 06:31.35 | WormFood | I know not all packages can be made in parallel, but it is still a lot faster than just a single code most of the time |
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| 06:50.08 | dzup | hi, is there something to "mount" iso images? |
| 06:50.24 | OpenTokix | dzup: yes, mount |
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| 06:50.36 | OpenTokix | dzup: mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /mount/point |
| 06:51.18 | OpenTokix | WormFood: ok, gentoo background? |
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| 06:52.23 | dzup | actually there extention *.mdf files, not iso, they work the same? |
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| 06:54.54 | WormFood | no, I didn't care fror gentoo |
| 06:55.16 | WormFood | debuild --preserve-envvar MAKEFLAGS does the trick |
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| 06:57.03 | nkuttler | dzup: what's mdf? anyway, has linux support for that format? |
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| 06:59.51 | dzup | nkuttler: i dont know, am googoling about it, said there is a utility to convert call it mdftoiso, am installing that one now |
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| 07:02.55 | freyley | my new lenny install on my laptop (Thinkpad T61) won't let me use the microphone without sending captured audio to the speakers. anyone got any ideas, or have good search terms to suggest? |
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| 07:03.48 | dzup | nkuttler: either way i was complicating my self, mount did mountit without converting to iso format :p |
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| 07:32.27 | devurandom | Hello! |
| 07:32.48 | devurandom | Does someone know a (good) benchmark of laptop battery life when encrypting the system via LVM? |
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| 07:34.07 | pl4yer0ne | devurandom, use the system as you normally would and time how long it takes to run out. |
| 07:34.22 | devurandom | Issue is that I have no comparison... :( |
| 07:34.47 | pl4yer0ne | ah right so you want to know if someone else has done a comparison |
| 07:34.50 | devurandom | I could later wipe the system and try with a normal installation, but it does not really sound like *the* solution... |
| 07:35.03 | devurandom | pl4yer0ne: Yes, that would be nice. :) |
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| 07:35.46 | pl4yer0ne | Well no-one will use the system like you will so the best way is to do it yourself. Also i dont know of any comparsions for encrypted -v non encrypted |
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| 07:36.58 | pl4yer0ne | I wouldnt have thought it would really effect the battery life very much though. |
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| 07:37.05 | devurandom | Ok, then I'll do one to give ppl the general figure. |
| 07:37.16 | pl4yer0ne | Do you notice much encrypt lag while using it? |
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| 07:37.50 | devurandom | It *feels* normal, for a laptop which is not the newest generation. |
| 07:38.10 | devurandom | pl4yer0ne: Someone suggested that it eats a lot of CPU, and thus prevents it from idling, and thus eats battery. But that was merely a guess... |
| 07:38.12 | TheSarge | Wow now that Compiz is set up, I am pretty much done getting this system the way i like it |
| 07:38.12 | ronr | I'm having a dns issue on my machine, if I ping an IP, I get a response, if I dig a hostname, I get an IP, but if I ping that hostname I get nothing.... any clues? |
| 07:38.16 | pl4yer0ne | How is it encrypted? |
| 07:38.25 | TheSarge | Does anyone know if Gaim has themes? |
| 07:38.45 | devurandom | pl4yer0ne: What the Debian 5.0.1 installer does... |
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| 07:39.16 | devurandom | Actually I have no idea. I just know that I cannot access the partition without the key, and that was enough for me to know. ;) |
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| 07:39.50 | pl4yer0ne | ah ok, not 100% sure about that specific encryption but in general they do use more cpu, but normally its only a few percent |
| 07:40.03 | TheSarge | Actually how can I install different gnome themes? |
| 07:40.41 | pl4yer0ne | devurandom, I see what your saying about going inot idle though. that could be a big power sucker |
| 07:41.36 | devurandom | I tried to list a few directories and the kernel crypt thread was at 2% while Dolphin sucked 60%... But that does not tell me whether the CPU idles in between. |
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| 07:42.34 | JJOliver | 'lo. I'm having problems getting a NIC to work for lenny. |
| 07:42.47 | JJOliver | Is there a way to re-run auto detect? |
| 07:43.25 | JJOliver | In case it's not obvious, I'm new to Lenny |
| 07:43.28 | devurandom | Hm, maybe powertop can help me there... |
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| 07:45.02 | pl4yer0ne | you might be able to check the cpu state as well |
| 07:45.32 | pl4yer0ne | I know you can do it, but I can't remmeber how off the top of my head |
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| 07:46.52 | pl4yer0ne | JJOliver, what sort of problems? |
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| 07:47.33 | JJOliver | When I connect it to a working network and try to ping it says network unavailabel. When I do ifconfig it says that 100% error on sent packages |
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| 07:48.06 | JJOliver | I'm out in Uganda and can't buy desent kit so i'm having problems with certain chips and having to move the NICs I have around a bit. |
| 07:48.50 | JJOliver | So i put a different NIC in and now I only get the loopback on ifconfig |
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| 07:50.19 | pl4yer0ne | hmm ok well does it show up in dmesg? |
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| 07:51.38 | JJOliver | pl4yer0ne: lots. specifically what are you wanting to know because it all is meaningless to me right now. |
| 07:51.43 | jcm | hi, I'm looking for advices on partition scheme for a box with RAID5 array with vserver on it: I thought to separate /boot (RAID1), /tmp and /var (for the logs); should I separate /usr too ? |
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| 07:52.55 | adama420 | JJOliver: does ifconfig -a show the NIC? |
| 07:53.28 | JJOliver | yeah there is an eth1 |
| 07:54.28 | devurandom | pl4yer0ne: I am trying that with powertop atm. Already gave lots of tips, but I have to figure out how to run a script on bootup to do it automatically. |
| 07:55.24 | thnee | what must i do to make openvpn update my dns settings? (the server is pushing them via dhcp) |
| 07:55.29 | devurandom | How does Debian react on /etc/fstab being changed? I inserted a lot of noatime,nosuid,nodev,ro,... options. How much does Debian rely on it being set to defaults? |
| 07:55.46 | thnee | i get the tun0, and proper IP-settings, but the DNS-settings are not affected |
| 07:56.05 | pl4yer0ne | devurandom, it doesnt rely on it being default. |
| 07:56.47 | devurandom | Oh, good. :) |
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| 07:57.11 | devurandom | Will it also automatically mount /boot when it needs it for installation purposes? (And remount /usr rw?) |
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| 07:57.30 | pl4yer0ne | it should always have boot mounted.... |
| 07:58.55 | pl4yer0ne | I don't think it would do anything automatically (but it may) |
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| 08:00.49 | pl4yer0ne | home time, see you guys. |
| 08:01.57 | michauk | hi there, on a stable fresh install, I'm running calamaris to analyze squid's logs. I'm trying to generate html+graph reports (not only html - which works by the way). The /usr/share/doc/calamaris/README.Debian tells to install libgd-graph-perl, which I did. When calamris runs, it says : |
| 08:02.02 | michauk | Can't call method "png" on an undefined value at /usr/bin/calamaris line 4128, <> line 22053. |
| 08:02.08 | flourish | hello, question about slapd in debian. Which argument controls the new create files permission, i.e. when use slapaddd to add entries to a directory, usually i need to manual change modes of files located in /var/lib/ldap. |
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| 08:02.26 | michauk | I suppose some lib*perl is missing, but can't figure out which one |
| 08:02.29 | michauk | any idea ? |
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| 08:03.43 | Gentoon | Alot of applets ( I am not sure what kind) for like built in media players, music, video aren't working on a fresh install, I installed Java.. what else do i need to install? |
| 08:03.46 | Gentoon | flash? |
| 08:03.46 | michauk | it seems I just need some perl lib to be able to generate a PNG... I thought libgd-graph-perl would do it as suggested in the doc, but it seems it's not enough |
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| 08:05.15 | simonrvn | michauk: more of a bug or such. could be missing perl module, but usually it's more explicit (can't find Foo::Bar.pm in @INC ....) |
| 08:05.22 | Gentoon | Is there some package i can install so all embedded stuff in webpages will work for the most part? |
| 08:05.35 | michauk | mmm, everything's standard packaged apps |
| 08:05.40 | simonrvn | Gentoon: flash |
| 08:05.51 | Gentoon | libstreamer or something like this? |
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| 08:06.10 | michauk | no extra conf, except in calamaris: I just told it to generate "html,graph" instead of "html", as mentionned in the doc |
| 08:06.11 | Gentoon | simonrvn: I thought I had flash installed, what package specificly? |
| 08:06.26 | tarik | Hi |
| 08:06.30 | nkuttler | Gentoon: or mozilla-mplayer |
| 08:06.40 | simonrvn | Gentoon: /msg dpkg non-free ; also ask the bot for 'flash' and flashplugin non-free |
| 08:07.24 | Gentoon | I have the non free repo |
| 08:07.31 | Gentoon | I just want to know the package name |
| 08:07.45 | Gentoon | apt-cache search flash gives alot of result |
| 08:07.48 | Gentoon | results |
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| 08:09.32 | Gentoon | Ya mozilla-mplayer didnt help... |
| 08:09.45 | Gentoon | I am trying to stream music from Imeem.com |
| 08:10.45 | Gentoon | I click the play icon but the space for the applet just stays white... |
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| 08:11.21 | liable | flashplugin-nonfree is the usual one |
| 08:11.34 | Gentoon | Great dpkg says the nonfree adobe flash player isn't availible in stable |
| 08:11.48 | dondelelcaro | Gentoon: because we can't distribute it at all. |
| 08:11.51 | Gentoon | I am really starting to wonder what the point of using this distro is... |
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| 08:12.26 | Gentoon | dondelelcaro: No its because they dont give security updates or something, thats what dpkg says |
| 08:12.36 | dondelelcaro | Gentoon: flashplayer-mozilla is available in the debian-multimedia repository, amongst other things |
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| 08:12.53 | Gentoon | dondelelcaro: so what is my alternative? Setting up a messy backport, just to install flash? |
| 08:12.53 | knowtheory | hey guys, i wanted to check something on alioth, and i'm not sure where to dig up the info |
| 08:13.05 | dondelelcaro | Gentoon: no, using the debian-multimedia repository |
| 08:13.19 | simonrvn | !dmm |
| 08:13.19 | dpkg | hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 08:13.24 | knowtheory | does anyone happen to know if the ruby 1.8 that the alioth shootout uses is pulled from aptitude/apt-get or whether ti was built from source? |
| 08:13.30 | knowtheory | or who i could bug to find out? |
| 08:13.32 | devurandom | Does Debian have some scriptfile which is run on startup, where I can insert own lines? |
| 08:13.36 | Gentoon | dondelelcaro: is that in my sources list already, do I just need to uncomment it or do I have to add it? |
| 08:13.49 | dondelelcaro | Gentoon: you have to add it. see what dpkg just said. |
| 08:13.59 | dondelelcaro | devurandom: /etc/rc.local if you want it. |
| 08:14.09 | dondelelcaro | devurandom: or you can use @reboot in your users crontab, or whatever. |
| 08:14.19 | devurandom | Thanks! |
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| 08:15.43 | wide_ | help with sound on an asus laptop, M70V series, intel sound card, relevant info here: http://paste.debian.net/34039/ default debian amd64 kernel, clean lenny install everything unmuted |
| 08:15.48 | dondelelcaro | knowtheory: ruby1.8 is in unstable... |
| 08:16.16 | knowtheory | dondelelcaro: yes, it is, but that still doesn't answer my question ;) |
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| 08:16.53 | knowtheory | there was a ruby implementation shootout this past december that discovered that the ruby available via aptitude in ubuntu was twice as slow as it is if you build it from source |
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| 08:17.12 | knowtheory | so i was just curious whether that was the case for the alioth shootout or not, and who to ask about it :) |
| 08:18.14 | dondelelcaro | knowtheory: https://alioth.debian.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=999 |
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| 08:20.32 | knowtheory | hmm not very helpful still, but thanks for the link |
| 08:20.44 | dzup | does someone knows how to switch in between VirtualBox and gnome without closing virtualbox session? |
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| 08:20.49 | dondelelcaro | knowtheory: that's where you can ask, and presumably you can find the authors there too. |
| 08:20.58 | knowtheory | I'll give it a shot |
| 08:21.00 | dondelelcaro | (it basically has nothing to do with Debian, besides being hosted on alioth) |
| 08:21.04 | knowtheory | i appreciate it :) |
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| 08:21.23 | Gentoon_ | Well I Installed the mozilla flashplayer plugin and its still just a white box, is there something else I am missing? |
| 08:21.26 | knowtheory | indeed (well it's got something to do with the package built for debian) |
| 08:21.39 | dzup | seems like virtualbox "locks" my mouse within the virtualbox deal |
| 08:21.50 | Shtl | i am trying vdm disk image of lenny with VMWare, i cant able to get xwindow system how i can able to install, before that what all repository to be added to sources.lst file? |
| 08:21.58 | dondelelcaro | knowtheory: except that it's Ubuntu that you're asking about, not Debian. |
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| 08:22.47 | knowtheory | fair enough, although i don't know whether the boxen that are set up for alioth are pulling from the ubuntu repos or somewhere else |
| 08:23.02 | knowtheory | anyway i'll poke around further :) thanks |
| 08:23.03 | TheSarge | dondelelcaro: I installed it, restarted IW and its still displaying white space in the appplet window? |
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| 08:23.13 | dondelelcaro | knowtheory: alioth is just the site that is hosting that; it has nothing to do with the actual benchmarks |
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| 08:23.22 | dondelelcaro | (they certainly don't run them on alioth) |
| 08:24.07 | dondelelcaro | TheSarge: so talk to adobe for support? |
| 08:24.16 | dondelelcaro | doesn't support non-free software |
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| 08:25.50 | TheSarge | dondelelcaro: Thanks alot.. its not an adobe issue obviously |
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| 08:27.51 | TheSarge | Can anyone help me, no flash applets are working in IW? flash is installed? |
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| 08:28.52 | TheSarge | are not working |
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| 08:30.02 | biatche | Buffer I/O error on device sdc3, logical block 2 <-- anybody know what this means? its the first disk of a raid0 with ntfs partitions |
| 08:31.06 | michauk | simonrvn: about calamaris, sounds like a bug, you're right: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501396 |
| 08:31.10 | michauk | I'll check further now |
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| 08:31.26 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 08:31.26 | dpkg | somebody said i/o error was if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. Check seating of cables on drives and controllers as well. |
| 08:31.46 | biatche | ok. |
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| 08:32.44 | TheSarge | All i did was install Debian today, install the Mozilla-flashplayer package and open IW and flash isnt working... can someone please help? |
| 08:32.59 | TheSarge | Flash is listed in my addons... |
| 08:33.01 | Guerin | TheSarge: sounds ideal to me. |
| 08:33.33 | TheSarge | Guerin: How can I troubleshoot it? |
| 08:33.47 | Guerin | TheSarge: dunno. |
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| 08:34.38 | TheSarge | Does anyone know? I really DO NOT want to go back to Ubuntu... :( |
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| 08:35.03 | Guerin | TheSarge: no use trying to threaten us :) |
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| 08:35.31 | TheSarge | lol I am not threatening.. lol I know you guys could care less what I use.. |
| 08:35.44 | TheSarge | I am just saying.. I personally do not want to use Ubuntu... |
| 08:35.59 | Guerin | TheSarge: well, you've succeeded with that. |
| 08:36.00 | sauvin | I just tuned in... TheSarge, what's up? |
| 08:36.12 | Guerin | TheSarge: do you use flash for anything other than youtube? |
| 08:36.40 | TheSarge | Flash doesnt work.. I just installed this system today, installed the mozilla-flashplayer package and flash still doesnt work.. |
| 08:36.41 | sauvin | Sheah, you can't go anywhere on the web these days without getting hit with flash. |
| 08:36.53 | TheSarge | I havent restarted the system, should I try this? |
| 08:36.57 | sauvin | TheSarge, which debian? |
| 08:37.08 | Guerin | but you can go plenty of places without noticing the lack of flash |
| 08:37.08 | TheSarge | Lenny |
| 08:37.19 | wide_ | TheSarge, which version of flash do you have installed |
| 08:37.25 | sauvin | Is this "mozilla-flashplayer package" the free version? |
| 08:37.33 | nkuttler | TheSarge: which browser do you use? |
| 08:37.40 | TheSarge | Guerin: I dont use it for youtube.. I use it to stream my Imeem playlists... |
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| 08:37.47 | TheSarge | nkuttler: IW |
| 08:37.49 | simonrvn | Guerin: i like to choose what gets to play in my face |
| 08:37.55 | nkuttler | iw? |
| 08:37.55 | thnee | i have a .deb that requires a version of libglib2.0-0 that i dont have in lenny, but is in the sid. how can i find out if this version is in testing or not? |
| 08:37.57 | nkuttler | ah |
| 08:38.00 | simonrvn | flashblock++ |
| 08:38.07 | Guerin | simonrvn: me too, strange concept, innit? |
| 08:38.09 | nkuttler | TheSarge: does about:plugins list it? |
| 08:38.15 | TheSarge | I have tried epiphiany, same problem |
| 08:38.30 | thnee | i am trying to browse the repos by hand, but that isnt really taking me anywhere |
| 08:38.33 | simonrvn | Guerin: nowadays, it would seem so ;p |
| 08:38.33 | TheSarge | nkuttler: I dunno, but it shows in the add-ons page |
| 08:38.47 | sauvin | TheSarge, I kinda cheated and installed the flash player I from the Adobe site. |
| 08:39.02 | nkuttler | TheSarge: how about.... reading said page? |
| 08:39.05 | Guerin | there's only one site I want flash for other than youtube, and frankly, since I have all the bells and whistles and shit I need at work I don't bother with it at home. |
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| 08:40.32 | TheSarge | nkuttler: Yes to humor you I looked in about:plugins it is first on he listed Shockwave Flash listed for swf and spl |
| 08:40.56 | TheSarge | the list* |
| 08:41.03 | nkuttler | TheSarge: then i can't help. probably something blocking it |
| 08:41.12 | amorf | TheSarge: when i want to use adobe's install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz , i run slackware-12.2 and firefox, and that works |
| 08:41.24 | zinx | TheSarge: fwiw javascript often has to be enabled for flash to work |
| 08:41.55 | sauvin | All install* does is copy files. |
| 08:41.58 | TheSarge | well I do notice totem is listed for flv instead of flash? |
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| 08:42.56 | TheSarge | How do I change that, I want the Flash flugin to handle FLV not totem, thats probably the issue... or is it supposed to be setup that way? |
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| 08:43.44 | nkuttler | TheSarge: Preferences->Applications should do that |
| 08:43.58 | TheSarge | mplayer is also listed for flv... |
| 08:44.15 | michauk | simonrvn: FYI, the patch here works: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501396 |
| 08:44.26 | TheSarge | nkuttler: I don't have an Applications under Preferences... |
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| 08:44.42 | simonrvn | michauk: \o/ |
| 08:44.47 | michauk | :) |
| 08:44.48 | nkuttler | TheSarge: that's odd. i use ff but though iw should do the same |
| 08:45.19 | sauvin | TheSarge, which desktop you use? |
| 08:45.38 | simonrvn | oh crap, not again... bts is being slow from here |
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| 08:46.36 | TheSarge | nkuttler: Nevermind I am blink.. I don't even see flash listed as an option just mplayer and another, I am trying the other one |
| 08:46.45 | TheSarge | sauvin: Gnome and Compiz |
| 08:47.01 | sauvin | Oh.. um... I've had problems with compiz interfering with stuff. |
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| 08:48.01 | simonrvn | whoah, wth? no text? |
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| 08:48.50 | TheSarge | Can someone who is using FF/IW with working flash take a gander in Preferences>Applications and tell me what its using for flv? |
| 08:49.01 | TheSarge | Which is listed as "Flash Movies" |
| 08:49.31 | sauvin | Provide a link to an example of something you want to view. |
| 08:49.36 | TheSarge | I'm sorry "Flash Video" |
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| 08:50.01 | TheSarge | Any Imeem.com player applet |
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| 08:50.12 | gueux | hi |
| 08:50.13 | TheSarge | or a myspace.com player applet |
| 08:50.24 | simonrvn | imeem WorksHere (tm) |
| 08:50.28 | TheSarge | http://myspace.com/svc_sean |
| 08:50.40 | TheSarge | The first applet box |
| 08:50.45 | nkuttler | TheSarge: yeah, here too |
| 08:51.15 | nkuttler | TheSarge: it could be that totem/mplayer is associated with flv as you said, which is kind of wrong |
| 08:51.17 | TheSarge | Okay so can you tell me what your Preferences>Applications has set in the drop down for Flash Video ? |
| 08:51.26 | nkuttler | TheSarge: always ask |
| 08:51.26 | gueux | I don't know what I've done but there is no more mouse, amixer does not work, and there is no wlan0 :( |
| 08:51.46 | TheSarge | nkuttler: always ask what? |
| 08:51.51 | sauvin | Gah, I'm not clicking on some random "add this app" thing! |
| 08:52.04 | simonrvn | nothing |
| 08:52.10 | gueux | I had a fail with kvm during the boot, so I tried to remove it |
| 08:52.15 | TheSarge | oh you have always asked selected, okay and what do you select when it asks? |
| 08:52.16 | gueux | can it be that? |
| 08:52.33 | nkuttler | TheSarge: i think you might be looking for Shockwave Flash, not Flash-Video |
| 08:52.34 | TheSarge | nkuttler: So what would you reccomend? |
| 08:52.34 | simonrvn | not even listed in mine |
| 08:52.52 | nkuttler | TheSarge: i'd get rid of totem as first step for sure |
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| 08:53.18 | simonrvn | "always ask" didn't see it first time |
| 08:53.36 | nkuttler | i think that's flashblock |
| 08:53.41 | nkuttler | hm |
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| 08:54.15 | TheSarge | nkuttler: Okay for shockwave flash, I have tried both the options listed swfdec and shockwave flash.. still doesnt work :( |
| 08:54.48 | nkuttler | TheSarge: for shockwave flash i have listed "use shockwave flash (in firefox)" |
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| 08:55.12 | simonrvn | same |
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| 08:56.16 | TheSarge | nkuttler: Yes thats what I have listed as well.. and it isnt working, I am getting the big grey play button that I always see, and I click it and get just a white box... |
| 08:56.38 | nkuttler | TheSarge: do you have javascript enabled? |
| 08:57.11 | sauvin | Every tiem I try to play a flash that requires javascript, it tells me so. |
| 08:57.12 | TheSarge | nkuttler: I am pretty sure, how can i verify? |
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| 08:57.23 | nkuttler | TheSarge: prefs->content |
| 08:57.29 | sauvin | tends to run with java* disabled |
| 08:57.48 | nkuttler | TheSarge: don't you have a friend who can help you with this? it's probabyl much easiert to fix if you see the ui |
| 08:58.40 | nkuttler | java? do websites still use java? |
| 08:58.49 | TheSarge | nkuttler: If I right click and goto about in the applet it says swfdec, not Flash Shockwave.. So it is using the wrong plugin, even know its selected in applications? |
| 08:59.20 | TheSarge | nkuttler: No I don't or I wouldn't be here asking for help... |
| 08:59.26 | nkuttler | TheSarge: sounds like something you should uninstall |
| 08:59.43 | TheSarge | nkuttler: But what package is it? |
| 08:59.55 | nkuttler | TheSarge: ls -d /usr/share/doc/*swf* |
| 09:00.03 | simonrvn | nkuttler: very few nowadays, now it's mostly science sites, or such. |
| 09:00.17 | nkuttler | simonrvn: that makes sense i guess |
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| 09:00.36 | TheSarge | nkuttler: /usr/share/doc/libswfdec-0.6-90 /usr/share/doc/swfdec-gnome /usr/share/doc/swfdec-mozilla |
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| 09:01.07 | TheSarge | which one is the one that is supposed to be there? |
| 09:01.29 | nkuttler | TheSarge: i'd remove all of them. i don't have any of them. |
| 09:01.40 | nkuttler | and flash works here |
| 09:01.45 | TheSarge | nkuttler: But why didn't the right one come up? |
| 09:01.54 | nkuttler | TheSarge: it's a mystery.. |
| 09:02.04 | TheSarge | shouldn't the correct one have shown up, the Shockwave Flash one? |
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| 09:02.23 | TheSarge | Okay is it just apt-get remove package name? |
| 09:02.31 | nkuttler | TheSarge: in an ideal world yes. i guess. but intalling non-free software isn't really supported |
| 09:03.00 | nkuttler | TheSarge: worth a try |
| 09:03.13 | TheSarge | nkuttler: That isn't what i asked you. |
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| 09:03.35 | nkuttler | TheSarge: ? |
| 09:04.02 | TheSarge | omg will someone tell me the syntax to remove a package? |
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| 09:04.18 | nkuttler | TheSarge: you had it right |
| 09:05.22 | TheSarge | ! |
| 09:05.41 | TheSarge | why did it say Removing gnome-desktop-environment? |
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| 09:07.02 | EmleyMoor | TheSarge: I think that is just a metapackage |
| 09:07.30 | EmleyMoor | TheSarge: What were you actually removing? |
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| 09:09.17 | TheSarge | The package we were just talking about |
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| 09:10.12 | EmleyMoor | TheSarge: I've tried scrolling back and not found it yet - just tell me please |
| 09:10.20 | TheSarge | nkuttler: Okay that was the problem, worked perfectly |
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| 09:10.27 | TheSarge | nkuttler: Thanks for all the advice |
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| 09:11.08 | nkuttler | TheSarge: flash works now? |
| 09:11.42 | TheSarge | nkuttler: Yup musta been a conflict, didn't even take the applet a ms to load either nice and quick |
| 09:11.56 | nkuttler | gnome ftw... |
| 09:13.37 | TheSarge | Ya well I am sure it was my fault, no need to file a bug report or anything. |
| 09:13.49 | TheSarge | okay I am so done for the night, thanks everybody |
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| 09:16.10 | swordz | Hi, I've got a debian server, and I've just done 'shutdown -r now' and it hasn't come back up |
| 09:16.39 | swordz | This has happened a few times, and I expect it's an error on shutdown, not on the restart |
| 09:16.58 | swordz | How can I find out, and how can I stop it? |
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| 09:29.43 | enouf | swordz: someone has been playing with sysv-rc-conf (or any of numerous others) and editing the rc{S,6,0}.d/ symlinks? or what |
| 09:30.26 | enouf | swordz: it's remote? and it boots cold no prob? is that a VPS? or a VM? or |
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| 09:35.06 | swordz | enouf - it's a computer my department was giving away for free, so I set up as a server |
| 09:35.29 | swordz | However, it is remote, as I'm not allowed to host a server behind the network |
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| 09:35.43 | swordz | I don't think anyone's been editing the symlinks |
| 09:36.03 | swordz | If I turn it off fully then turn on it's fine |
| 09:37.27 | enouf | swordz: so "shutdown now!" and "halt" work properly? how about "reboot"? |
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| 09:37.54 | enouf | swordz: which debian version and what hardware? |
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| 09:38.01 | swordz | I haven't been able to get it to shutdown normally for a while |
| 09:38.11 | swordz | I have to go and hold the power switch |
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| 09:38.20 | Skaarj | hi |
| 09:38.31 | swordz | However, none of my friends are home so I can't do that atm |
| 09:38.52 | swordz | It's i1586, 3GHz |
| 09:39.04 | swordz | Not sure about version, but I downloaded it recently |
| 09:39.05 | enouf | swordz: i'd suggest you reconfigure your BIOS power management settings properly and check into a new PSU |
| 09:39.12 | Skaarj | can i tell apt-get to install a specific verision of an packet ? i looks like is only accepts packagenames without versions |
| 09:39.15 | Skaarj | ? |
| 09:39.39 | swordz | That means taking a monitor up there... |
| 09:39.42 | swordz | Hassle... |
| 09:39.46 | swordz | But thanks, I'll do that |
| 09:39.50 | enouf | !tell swordz -about version |
| 09:40.11 | enouf | cat /proc/cmdline |
| 09:40.14 | jpirie23 | does anyone know what the drivers for the GTX 295 are like running under Mint at the moment? Any mint users? |
| 09:40.32 | swordz | enouf - it's currently in a wierd half on/off state |
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| 09:40.52 | swordz | I can't connect, and it's remote, with no-one in the house to reset |
| 09:41.10 | enouf | call the firemen? :-O |
| 09:41.27 | swordz | tempting |
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| 09:41.35 | swordz | more likely just break in |
| 09:41.39 | enouf | can you hit it with an ICBM? |
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| 09:42.07 | enouf | :-P |
| 09:42.09 | swordz | I'm a bit close for that... |
| 09:42.14 | enouf | heh |
| 09:42.17 | swordz | It's only a 15 min walk |
| 09:42.23 | enouf | yeah ... do it from afar |
| 09:42.32 | swordz | AS90 would be fine |
| 09:42.40 | swordz | More likely to get L118 though |
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| 09:42.53 | enouf | heh ... atomic annie would likely suffice :-P |
| 09:42.55 | {g} | Hey People! What does it mean, when rsync invoked with the n (dry run) option shows the name of a directory that exists on both sides? why does it show it? it doesnt show any changed files inside that directory. |
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| 09:43.30 | EmleyMoor | {g}: Timestamp different? |
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| 09:45.09 | DireFog | is it intentional that Konqueror from unstable can't handle HTTP anymore? |
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| 09:45.32 | Skaarj | can i tell apt-get to install a specific verision of an packet ? i looks like is only accepts packagenames without versions |
| 09:45.47 | DireFog | apt-get install packagename=version |
| 09:45.53 | enouf | yep |
| 09:45.55 | {g} | EmleyMoor: and why does it show me that? will it change the timestamp of the directory if i let it lose? |
| 09:45.56 | DireFog | also, man apt |
| 09:46.06 | enouf | man apt-get |
| 09:46.21 | EmleyMoor | {g}: Yes - to the most up-to-date I would think |
| 09:46.21 | Skaarj | ahh thanks |
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| 09:46.44 | enouf | DireFog: i'd doubt a browser wouldn't do http without missing something |
| 09:46.49 | DireFog | indeed, apt is some Java thing |
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| 09:47.31 | DireFog | enouf: that's what I was thinking too |
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| 09:47.59 | DireFog | what's the tool that generates the dependency list in reportbug? |
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| 09:48.28 | enouf | DireFog: missing some plugins or kioslaves? there's always kio_http in ps aux output whenever i use that behemoth' |
| 09:49.27 | {g} | EmleyMoor: i tried it. it changed atime, mtime and ctime. |
| 09:49.28 | enouf | dependency list in reportbug? i'm not sure exactly what reportbug is using but apt-cache {r}depends <pkgname> |
| 09:50.27 | enouf | DireFog: there's also apt-rdepends, but i doubt you want that ... just noting |
| 09:50.31 | DireFog | enouf: e.g. in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524174 |
| 09:50.55 | DireFog | the "versions of packages <foo> depends on" |
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| 09:51.23 | DireFog | probably generated from depends and dpkg |
| 09:53.06 | enouf | DireFog: there are many tools, grep-{status,available,dctrl}, dpkg, dpkg-query, etc etc |
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| 09:54.34 | enouf | grep-status -FStatus -sPackage,Version -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort -n | less (for example) |
| 09:55.02 | enouf | you'd need to install grep-dctrl and dctrl-tools to use that command |
| 09:55.58 | enouf | forget the -n in the sort, that was there when i had it as sVersion,Package |
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| 09:57.52 | nnull | debian on eeepc guys? yay nay? still having wifi probs? |
| 09:57.56 | enouf | You could just simply use reportbug to generate a bug report and save it, or mail it to yourself ;-) |
| 09:58.09 | enouf | !eeepv |
| 09:58.11 | enouf | !eeepc |
| 09:58.12 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 09:58.26 | enouf | !acerone |
| 09:58.26 | dpkg | The Aspire One netbook is a low-cost laptop PC manufactured by Acer. Models supplied with Linux are shipped with the <Linpus> Linux Lite operating system and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne for installation, configuration and troubleshooting instructions. |
| 09:58.37 | infinity0 | is x-terminal-emulator a part of a standard debian system, regardless of desktop environment? |
| 09:58.48 | infinity0 | i need to be able to open up a terminal from a program i'm writing |
| 09:58.58 | enouf | Linpus? ... hrm .. reminds me of OoompaHLOomPahs |
| 09:59.02 | DireFog | enouf: just went through reportbug until it spat out the file. There are only a bit over 400 bugs filed against kdebase x-) |
| 09:59.21 | enouf | haha |
| 09:59.45 | nnull | thx |
| 10:00.26 | DireFog | I'm tempted to blame it on the transition from 4.2.2-1 to 4.2.2-2, which will probably get resolved as the packages get built over the next... uhh... month or so |
| 10:01.04 | nkuttler | infinity0: no. install xterm or whatever you like |
| 10:01.19 | DireFog | xfce4 has only been broken for about 3 weeks now, so make that 2 or 3 months until the kde4 deluge is built. |
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| 10:01.41 | DireFog | "Debian unstable: we're starting to mean it" :-( |
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| 10:02.12 | infinity0 | nkuttler: thats' not my problem. the program needs to be able to open ANY x terminal on the end user's computer |
| 10:02.13 | nkuttler | DireFog: you know, sooner if you send patches :) |
| 10:02.18 | infinity0 | it's nothing to do with me installing stuff |
| 10:02.47 | enouf | infinity0: check with what's in /etc/alternatives ? |
| 10:02.50 | nkuttler | infinity0: what's your question then? if the user has a term x-terminal-emulator should be available |
| 10:03.05 | infinity0 | wehther x-terminal-emulator is installed as part of a standard debian system |
| 10:03.14 | DireFog | nkuttler: I'm not taking that "fix it yourself" bullshit anymore, it's overused as an excuse to ignore bugs too often. Really have a look at xfce4, which has been uninstallable for a few weeks now because the packages just don't get built. |
| 10:03.16 | nkuttler | x-terminal-emulator is a symlink |
| 10:03.17 | enouf | infinity0: look into using the update-alternatives system to do it even |
| 10:03.28 | enouf | ofcourse it is |
| 10:03.30 | nkuttler | DireFog: use stable then |
| 10:03.38 | infinity0 | obviously i will check "which x-t-e" first, but it would be good if someone can tell me "yes that's 99% of debian users taken care of" |
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| 10:04.13 | enouf | infinity0: nobody could say that |
| 10:04.30 | infinity0 | why not? if the package is installed as standard then it will be so |
| 10:04.35 | enouf | many debian users have nothing X installed |
| 10:04.48 | nkuttler | infinity0: it's not a package |
| 10:04.50 | infinity0 | ok, the X ones then |
| 10:04.59 | infinity0 | it's a virtual package |
| 10:05.07 | infinity0 | i'm assuming they have X because they can run my program |
| 10:05.10 | nkuttler | no, it's not |
| 10:05.13 | infinity0 | yes it is |
| 10:05.15 | bolt | is there a tool available that will save a webpage as a pdf or something else that'll just look like the original page? i like saving stuff like howto's and such, but it's a pain to format them again, save all the pictures and all that stuff |
| 10:05.17 | infinity0 | packages. says so |
| 10:05.19 | nkuttler | it is? oh, maybe |
| 10:05.27 | nkuttler | ah, right, my bad |
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| 10:05.47 | DireFog | nkuttler: I'm just a bit pissed that the vast majority of bug reports I've submitted to several projects in the recent past have been met with a supreme amount of "fix it yourself", "it will fix itself if you just ignore it", and other crap. I'm not doing C++ development, thank you very much. |
| 10:05.48 | nkuttler | bolt: ctrl+p in your browser? |
| 10:06.27 | nkuttler | DireFog: well, unstable isn't really intended for end users anyway |
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| 10:06.43 | bolt | nkuttler: eww.. hard copies |
| 10:06.54 | amorf | bolt: there's a "print to file" option when you print with firefox. will create postscript. ps2pdf |
| 10:06.56 | nkuttler | bolt: ? |
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| 10:07.05 | DireFog | nkuttler: I know that, but that doesn't mean that bug reports filed against it should be met with "fix it yourself or piss of", or did I miss a memo? |
| 10:07.18 | bolt | ah. i'll try printing to a file |
| 10:07.28 | enouf | bolt: blame the webdev asshats that create those pages; along with the browser devs and lusers that don't follow standards |
| 10:07.31 | nkuttler | DireFog: probably not. depends on the bug and the report i guess. |
| 10:09.13 | enouf | s/follow standards/follow, adhere to, implore, promote standards/ and instead like to spread about all this shit |
| 10:09.59 | bolt | enouf: blame assigned :) |
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| 10:16.58 | klbate | Is it normal for kacpid to use 16-17% CPU constantly? |
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| 10:22.19 | greenmang0 | !dpkg-buildpackage |
| 10:22.19 | dpkg | i guess dpkg-buildpackage is a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. to make a package without knowing what you're doing, install fakeroot and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. |
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| 10:22.37 | greenmang0 | dpkg: thanks |
| 10:22.37 | dpkg | greenmang0: gern geschehen |
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| 10:33.10 | carl__ | morning, i failed to solve the problem with installing fglrx under sid yesterday, and i thought perhaps someone could give me some pointers, aptitude tells me that xserver-xorg-core is broken, how do i fix that? |
| 10:33.25 | DoubleRx2 | I found this post stating that iscsi doesn't work on debian amd64: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-setup-debian-ubuntu-linux-iscsi-initiator/#comments --- is that true? |
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| 10:37.12 | DoubleRx2 | apperently there is an iscsi issue reported for the linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel; where can I check the status of that? |
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| 10:39.28 | noob | hello all... |
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| 10:39.44 | noob | I've just isntalled debian 5 and have no sound... |
| 10:39.48 | noob | can anyone help?.. |
| 10:40.20 | ronr | turn on your speakers :D |
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| 10:40.35 | noob | ronr: they are turned on!!! |
| 10:40.43 | ronr | then turn on your computer |
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| 10:41.14 | noob | ronr: hey, is this all you can?... |
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| 10:41.30 | DoubleRx2 | alsaconf? |
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| 10:42.05 | ronr | dpkg: ask? |
| 10:42.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:42.32 | noob | DoubleRx2: have already tried, that was firs thing I found on google... |
| 10:42.36 | ronr | noob: if you don't ask a real question, don't expect a real answer |
| 10:42.38 | noob | but still doesn't work... |
| 10:43.00 | noob | ronr: am asking a real question, "why there's no sound on my box"?... |
| 10:43.17 | DoubleRx2 | how can we know? |
| 10:43.23 | ronr | we really can't know |
| 10:43.23 | noob | someone said I should be the member of group "audio", have done that too... |
| 10:43.35 | carl__ | anybody else have problems with the lastest xserver-xorg-core from sid? |
| 10:43.50 | ronr | you didn't even mention what kinda hardware you got or if the kernel recognizes it |
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| 10:44.37 | noob | ronr: 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 10:44.47 | noob | the chipboard sound card... |
| 10:45.42 | noob | and modules used is: snd_intel8x0 |
| 10:46.01 | noob | snd_pcm |
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| 10:46.25 | ronr | noob: that's and oldie I think, kernel should get it; what are you doing to test if it works? are you getting error messages or just no sound, running gnome or kde (for kde, check kmix, maybe you're muted) |
| 10:46.39 | DoubleRx2 | do any of you have iscsi working on amd64? |
| 10:46.45 | noob | ronr: just no sound, no errors, no sounds... |
| 10:47.01 | ronr | check the mixer than and make sure output levels are > 0 |
| 10:47.15 | DoubleRx2 | and that the channels are not muted |
| 10:47.18 | noob | ronr: I've done that already... |
| 10:47.37 | DoubleRx2 | have you logged in/out after adding yourself to the audio group? |
| 10:47.42 | DoubleRx2 | out/in |
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| 10:47.52 | noob | DoubleRx2: I have even rebooted the system... |
| 10:48.26 | zxd | is it possible in fontconfig to set match <dir> and then set a rule on all fonts in that dir? |
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| 10:49.04 | ronr | noob: there are console players (123mpg IIRC), try logging in as root on a getty to take anything X or rights out of the equation |
| 10:49.22 | Guerin | mpg{123.321} or madplay |
| 10:49.23 | noob | ronr: I have tried that too... |
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| 10:49.42 | noob | ronr: on tty1 with root have tried mplayer, still no sound... |
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| 10:49.59 | ronr | check syslog / dmesh / kern.log / message and other logs for any error |
| 10:50.23 | ronr | and triple check your speakers (turned on, volume up, cable between machine and speakers etc.) |
| 10:50.42 | noob | ronr: the only thing in "dmesg | tail" related to this is: intel8x0: clocking to 48000 |
| 10:50.53 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 10:50.53 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
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| 10:50.57 | Guerin | try that ^^ |
| 10:51.19 | Guerin | if it fails, you'll see an error message |
| 10:51.35 | Guerin | if it doesn't, hardware and software are working just fine |
| 10:51.47 | noob | Guerin: should I really "cat /vmlinuz"?.. :? |
| 10:52.04 | Guerin | noob: why not? |
| 10:52.16 | noob | Guerin: I don't know... :-P |
| 10:52.20 | noob | let me try... |
| 10:52.22 | Guerin | if you came here for advice, there's some |
| 10:52.31 | noob | wow, some noise... :-d |
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| 10:52.37 | DoubleRx2 | in /var/log/messages I only get "kernel: scsi5 : iSCSI Initiator over TCP/IP" when I try to manually log in to an iscsi node |
| 10:52.43 | Guerin | noob: everything's working fine, then. |
| 10:52.48 | noob | Guerin: now what?... |
| 10:52.55 | DoubleRx2 | does this mean I am connected? and whereeee can I then find the device? |
| 10:52.59 | Guerin | if some program fails to make sounds, it's that program's fault. |
| 10:53.09 | Guerin | noob: i recommend using a program which isn't shit. |
| 10:53.24 | noob | Guerin: do you think mplayer is a "shit"?... |
| 10:53.38 | DoubleRx2 | loves mplayer |
| 10:53.56 | noob | Guerin: hey, It works, now it really works... :-D |
| 10:54.09 | Guerin | it's like magic |
| 10:54.22 | noob | Guerin: thank you very much... :-) I'll try to relogin now... |
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| 10:59.55 | carl__ | is xserver-xorg-core broken in sid, or is it just my system, and if so, how do i fix it? |
| 11:00.25 | et | !sid |
| 11:00.25 | dpkg | somebody said sid was the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
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| 11:02.28 | nkuttler | carl__: define broken |
| 11:02.52 | carl__ | nkuttler: aptitude claims its borken |
| 11:03.14 | carl__ | and i cant install fglrx due to a conflict between xserver-xorg-core |
| 11:03.28 | nkuttler | !tell carl__ about errors |
| 11:03.47 | Guerin | dpkg, is $1 broken in sid is <reply> There's a very good chance $1 is horribly broken in Sid, because of the way Sid is. If you want to be sure, check bugs.debian.org |
| 11:03.47 | dpkg | Guerin: You are moron #1 |
| 11:03.54 | Guerin | :( |
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| 11:04.08 | Guerin | is is a word which confuses debian |
| 11:04.18 | carl__ | nkuttler: http://paste2.org/p/188466 |
| 11:04.18 | Guerin | s/debian/dpkg/ |
| 11:05.18 | Guerin | dpkg: don't go! |
| 11:05.27 | bolt | :'( |
| 11:05.36 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: I think I scared dpkg |
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| 11:06.37 | nkuttler | carl__: yeah, looks broken. xorg has been pretty unstable lately |
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| 11:07.10 | nkuttler | !tell carl__ about snapshot |
| 11:07.10 | carl__ | nkuttler: ok, thnx, ill just sitt tight and wait for a updated package then |
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| 11:10.57 | carl__ | nkuttler: think the snapsshots are a bit above my capacity :) |
| 11:11.22 | nkuttler | carl__: well, as long as x works.. |
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| 11:11.38 | lip_skip_vt | hi@all |
| 11:11.40 | carl__ | it does, just using vesa and not fglrx, but i can live with that |
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| 11:11.56 | Prathibha | which package installls /etc/profile file? |
| 11:12.04 | nkuttler | carl__: i've been using vesa for years, no ati driver ever did it for me :/ |
| 11:13.06 | carl__ | its just that the redraws are a bit slow, but i can live with it |
| 11:13.17 | Guerin | nkuttler: not the plain old ati driver? |
| 11:13.19 | Prathibha | which package installls the file /etc/profile file? |
| 11:13.45 | nkuttler | Guerin: never worked for me. but i use laptops with crappy cards mostly |
| 11:13.59 | Guerin | nkuttler: shouldn't matter. But oh well. |
| 11:14.07 | carl__ | this is an imac, guess i should have gotten the nvidia edition :) |
| 11:14.19 | nkuttler | vesa is good enough for running rxvt + ff |
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| 11:17.33 | Neaai | Hello all. I have received a list of php modules that I need to install for my requirements, the list is at: http://debian.pastebin.com/d2cf842bf The people who have sent me this list use Gentoo. How can I find the corresponding names of Debian packages? Some of them I could find but not all of them. Any help ? |
| 11:18.19 | nkuttler | Neaai: apt-cache search php foo? |
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| 11:19.15 | Neaai | nkuttler: I used that but for some of the names there I get nothing. That's why I thought that the names might differ for some of those |
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| 11:20.11 | nkuttler | Neaai: some? anyway, maybe you need to use that pear thing |
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| 11:20.27 | zinx | more likely dh-pear |
| 11:21.01 | zinx | oh, it's "dh-make-php" |
| 11:21.11 | Neaai | nkuttler: zinx: I will check for that |
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| 11:22.30 | JJOliver | Hi everyone. I'm trying to install some apts from one computer to another. I've been told that to do that I need to copy /var/cache/apt/archices and some other list files. The problem is that in /var/cache/apt/archives there is a file called lock and it's not letting me copy it. Any suggestions? |
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| 11:23.56 | amorf | Prathibha: cmp /usr/share/base-files/profile /etc/profile |
| 11:23.57 | nkuttler | JJOliver: how does lock block anything?! just dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 11:24.21 | maligor | heh, been missing out on ia32-apt-get in sid, didn't notice it until now |
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| 11:24.37 | amorf | Prathibha: see postinst in control.tar.gz in pool/main/b/base-files/base-files_5_i386.deb |
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| 11:25.12 | Neaai | nkuttler: For example, the module named "gd" in my list has the name "php5-gd" in debian, but the package "pcre" in the list doesn't seem to have a Debian equivalent. |
| 11:25.20 | Prathibha | amorf, ok |
| 11:25.27 | zinx | maligor: it's almost multiarch! |
| 11:25.45 | liable | hmm, my display has all of a sudden to go dull |
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| 11:25.52 | zinx | Neaai: pcre may be included in php5 |
| 11:25.54 | liable | +decided |
| 11:26.00 | jaggz- | what's the recommended vnc server to allow remote access to the current desktop? |
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| 11:26.40 | JJOliver | nkuttler: I have no idea what you mean |
| 11:26.41 | nkuttler | Neaai: yeah, just run your php app and see if it complains |
| 11:26.45 | jaggz- | or.. way to install it, etc. |
| 11:26.53 | Neaai | zinx: could be. but then the same applies maybe for the rest of the module names that I can't find an equivalent about ? |
| 11:27.37 | zinx | Neaai: yes, it possibly applies to some, all, or none :/ |
| 11:27.40 | nkuttler | JJOliver: i have no idea what you are trying to do. scp debs, dpkg -i them |
| 11:27.40 | JJOliver | nkuttler: i'm completely knew to linux and he suggested copying /var/cache/apt/archives, /var/lib/apt/lists, and /etc/apt/sources.list to the other computer and that should work. |
| 11:27.44 | maligor | zinx, except it's become almost useless these days :P |
| 11:28.05 | nkuttler | JJOliver: who? sounds like a bad idea |
| 11:28.15 | zinx | maligor: why? lack of 32-bit only apps? |
| 11:28.20 | nkuttler | JJOliver: that doesn't copy any packages |
| 11:28.25 | JJOliver | nkuttler: I have brasero on this computer and it's the only computer connected to the internet . . . i need to put brasero onto other computers along with a touch typing programming tipptrainer |
| 11:28.25 | maligor | zinx, quite |
| 11:28.34 | Neaai | zinx: I see. Well I'll search and see what I get |
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| 11:30.02 | nkuttler | JJOliver: try something like http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD, or burn whatever you need from /var/cache/apt/archives/ and dpkg -i it, man dpkg |
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| 11:30.26 | abrotman | !apt-zip |
| 11:30.26 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 11:30.30 | OpenTokix | What is the probablity of this ending up in the installer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522922 |
| 11:30.32 | nkuttler | ah, nice |
| 11:30.34 | OpenTokix | ? |
| 11:30.42 | liable | ah, i can see again |
| 11:30.45 | nkuttler | JJOliver: see what abrotman said |
| 11:30.46 | abrotman | OpenTokix: you mean tomorrow? |
| 11:31.14 | JJOliver | cool thanks |
| 11:31.19 | abrotman | OpenTokix: or officially? |
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| 11:32.33 | abrotman | thinks he scared OpenTokix away |
| 11:32.42 | JJOliver | why when I try to install it is it removing loads of packages .. . i want all the packages I can so should I need them later I don't want to have to d'l them again (i only have a 2KB/s sat connection). |
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| 11:33.25 | OpenTokix | abrotman: Officially |
| 11:33.38 | OpenTokix | abrotman: ie. in the installer |
| 11:33.40 | abrotman | OpenTokix: won't happen til probably lennynhalf one would think |
| 11:33.50 | abrotman | OpenTokix: unofficially .. /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 11:34.13 | zinx | OpenTokix: the probability is high that support for that nic will end up in the installer officially... but it might not happen any time soon |
| 11:34.49 | OpenTokix | well, soon is the key here =) |
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| 11:34.59 | OpenTokix | Since I need to decide to buy 10 new machines |
| 11:35.41 | martian67 | à ² _à ² |
| 11:35.50 | abrotman | OpenTokix: the kmuto ones work pretty well .. i'd probably grab one to check to see if it supports that NIC .. only difference is that you'll be on your own until a new kernel ends up in BPO or lennynhalf |
| 11:35.58 | zinx | OpenTokix: see the unofficial route, then ;) |
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| 11:37.30 | OpenTokix | abrotman: and that sucks if the servers are let say... 500 miles away =) |
| 11:37.39 | OpenTokix | I have to think about it... long and hard |
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| 11:38.21 | JJOliver | abrotman: there are no readme files in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 11:38.43 | abrotman | did you install it? |
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| 11:39.02 | JJOliver | abrotman: apt-get install apt-zip (aptitude was gonna remove loads of packages) |
| 11:39.09 | abrotman | apt-zip: /usr/share/doc/apt-zip/README.Debian |
| 11:39.11 | abrotman | for starters |
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| 11:39.45 | JJOliver | abrotman: there are no readme files in that directory. |
| 11:40.02 | abrotman | did you actually install it? |
| 11:40.07 | abrotman | JJOliver: dpkg -L apt-zip |
| 11:40.25 | JJOliver | abrotman: no one told me to do dpkg -L apt-zip |
| 11:40.59 | abrotman | JJOliver: it was a question .. to see what files that package included |
| 11:41.21 | JJOliver | abrotman: oh sure. . . loads |
| 11:42.24 | abrotman | and none are in the doc directory? |
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| 11:42.57 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.57 | dpkg | No packages found matching apt-zip | grep doc |
| 11:43.03 | JJOliver | abrotman: I found the file . . . but the readme has only one q/a and that's basically saying use at your own risk. |
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| 11:43.16 | abrotman | man apt-zip ? |
| 11:44.37 | JJOliver | okay found that now . . . linux baffles the crap outta me |
| 11:44.45 | abrotman | goes shopping |
| 11:44.53 | Neaai | What does this mean? Failed to download pear/Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer within preferred state "stable", latest release is version 0.9.1, stability "beta", use "channel://pear.php.net/Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer-0.9.1" |
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| 11:44.58 | abrotman | JJOliver: why not hook up the other box to the internet ? |
| 11:44.59 | enouf | !be a shopping barbie |
| 11:45.00 | dpkg | Aww, shopping is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 11:45.11 | Neaai | I did: pear install Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer |
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| 11:46.19 | zinx | not dh-make-pear Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer ? |
| 11:46.23 | JJOliver | abrotman: because i'm in Uganda and have a 2KB/s internet . . . I'm already on a large network and whilst the computers are networked they are captive portaled to protect internet bandwidth. It took me about 8 hours to download a 29.0MB file. It 'should' be quicker to then put it on a flash . . . |
| 11:46.29 | JJOliver | abrotman: and install directly from flash. |
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| 11:47.06 | abrotman | JJOliver: oh .. just mount the usb drive .. copy junk from /var/cache/apt/archives/ to usb drive .. stick in other comptuer and copy files to /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 11:47.07 | jaggz- | how do I get x11vnc to start at X startup? |
| 11:47.09 | JJOliver | abrotman: easier still would be to have a full set of lenny cd's . . . but I don't have that either. |
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| 11:47.22 | Neaai | zinx: that gives me the message: Downloading pear package 'Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer' failed! |
| 11:47.54 | DoubleRx2 | ah, guru abrotman; do you know whether iscsi on amd64 works? |
| 11:47.57 | JJOliver | abrotman: that goes back to my ORIGINAL question. there is a file in /var/cache/apt/archieves called lock it won't let me copy it and then stops the copy . . . |
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| 11:48.04 | abrotman | DoubleRx2: i'm sure it does ... |
| 11:48.06 | abrotman | !iscsi |
| 11:48.11 | abrotman | see .. that fails |
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| 11:48.19 | abrotman | JJOliver: you don't want to copy that .. juts the packages |
| 11:48.30 | JJOliver | abrotman: thanks . . .. |
| 11:48.35 | abrotman | DoubleRx2: if it works on i386, something like that should work on amd64 |
| 11:48.42 | abrotman | JJOliver: basically ... *.deb |
| 11:49.05 | JJOliver | sure |
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| 11:49.36 | DoubleRx2 | I came across this: rgr 10.29.08 at 1:30 pm - amd64 doesn’t work with iscsi on debian. use another kernel (686 or so) and it should work. |
| 11:50.05 | osfd_ | Hi. this is probably not the right channel to talk about that...why there is so few computers with such a clean design than apple can do. I mean Apple laptops (way too expensive) are almost perfect, not a single ugly grid, perfect straight lines.... |
| 11:50.23 | jelly | DoubleRx2: we don't know. You should probably check debian's bug tracking service. |
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| 11:50.33 | abrotman | DoubleRx2: worked in sarge .. http://www.ecopatz.de/debiansarge_iscsi.html .. not sure why it wouldn't work in lenny |
| 11:50.46 | abrotman | unless tha'ts a horrible kernel regression |
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| 11:51.29 | freebse | hello m8s |
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| 11:53.04 | JJOliver | osfd_: you often pay for what you get ... though not in the case of M$. |
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| 11:53.26 | abrotman | osfd_: #debian-offtopic |
| 11:53.37 | osfd_ | JJOliver: yes, you're right... |
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| 11:53.54 | freebse | it is a bug :) |
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| 11:54.53 | osfd_ | hhmm...aptitude install ircChannelGoodTopic |
| 11:54.54 | Neaai | zinx: I solved the problem. The command for installing was to be: pear install Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer-beta where the last -beta part forces the pear installation to use a beta release, instead of the stable which it will usually get. |
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| 11:57.45 | zinx | i still think using pear instead of dh-make-php is a terribly bad idea :/ |
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| 11:59.16 | DoubleRx2 | I'm trying to get it working on another box.. how do I find the block device name when I have logged in on the iscsi device? |
| 11:59.56 | enouf | DoubleRx2: have you read any of the linux-{iscsi mailing list? |
| 12:00.09 | enouf | DoubleRx2: have you read any of the linux-{open-}iscsi mailing list? |
| 12:00.10 | thnee | i am using openvpn (as a client) to connect to a VPN that i know pushes DNS via DHCP (it works on other clients). however, when i connect (via network-manager), i only get IP, the DNS remains unchanged. zup with that? |
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| 12:00.58 | enouf | http://www.open-iscsi.org/docs/README |
| 12:01.44 | OpenTokix | How do you handle mysql master/slave-setup while keeping debian-sys-maint users? |
| 12:02.10 | Neaai | zinx: but how to use dh-make-php ? |
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| 12:06.33 | JJOliver | abrotman: how do copy the files via file manager in LXDE the directory archives is root only and I can't log into LXDE as root via gdm . . . bit stuck . . . AGAIN . . . |
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| 12:07.42 | DoubleRx2 | enouf; yes - I've spent the whole day reading, and I just can't figure it out. that's why I am asking. The instructions I've found say I can find the block device name in /var/log/messages when it logs in, but I can't find anything there although the connection seems to be up |
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| 12:08.18 | abrotman | JJOliver: use the terminal |
| 12:08.33 | DoubleRx2 | var log messages sais : "scsi6 : iSCSI Initiator over TCP/IP" - how can I mount scsi6?... |
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| 12:08.59 | CoolCold | hello |
| 12:09.03 | JJOliver | abrotman: how do I do that. |
| 12:09.08 | JJOliver | ? |
| 12:09.28 | abrotman | are you sure that directory is root only? |
| 12:09.29 | CoolCold | i'm trying to measure memory usage by script, found in man that time can show this, but looks like it doesn't |
| 12:09.33 | CoolCold | http://pastebin.com/m3b5122a7 |
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| 12:14.44 | JJOliver | how do I copy files in terminal? |
| 12:15.18 | abrotman | cp |
| 12:15.26 | JJOliver | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:16.31 | ringo999 | what do i use if I want to merge pdf's? |
| 12:16.39 | abrotman | pdftk |
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| 12:17.08 | ringo999 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:18.39 | shams1 | can you introduce a software like tor for anonymity web surf? |
| 12:18.55 | JJOliver | abrotman: this is giving me grief . . . why is nothing easy with Linux . . . okay ls /media shows my mem stick JOSH16G |
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| 12:19.12 | JJOliver | when I try to ls JOSH16G says it's not there . . |
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| 12:19.39 | abrotman | JJOliver: ls /media/JOSH16G/ |
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| 12:20.30 | Zharf | hm |
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| 12:20.58 | Zharf | wonders if there's a program like acpi(1) but actually fast :) |
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| 12:22.00 | asg | Zharf: what do you mean by fast? |
| 12:22.02 | JJOliver | abrotman: cp /media/JOSH16G/deb/archives/ /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 12:22.10 | abrotman | uh no |
| 12:22.16 | Zharf | asg, acpi is slow, takes 0.4 seconds to finish! |
| 12:22.23 | abrotman | JJOliver: you're copying to the stick ? |
| 12:22.30 | asg | real0m0.079s <---- not here |
| 12:22.33 | JJOliver | abrotman: cp: omitting directiory /media/JOSH16G/deb/archives |
| 12:22.37 | JJOliver | abrotman: no otherway around |
| 12:22.42 | Zharf | real0m0.438s |
| 12:22.43 | Zharf | :/ |
| 12:22.47 | JJOliver | abrotman: trying to copy from the stick |
| 12:23.15 | CoolCold | JJOliver: mb use cp -a ? |
| 12:23.27 | kamp2tux | where can i show my screen shot online regarding -- error message: "Your system had a kernel failure", every time after system rebooted and logon. |
| 12:23.38 | abrotman | JJOliver: ah okay .. cp /media/JOSH16G/deb/archives/* /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 12:23.40 | salvin | CoolCold, cp -r !!! |
| 12:23.47 | abrotman | kamp2tux: picpaste.com |
| 12:23.57 | asg | Zharf: you could always parse /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state but that's what acpi does in that context anyway |
| 12:24.16 | JJOliver | abrotman: thanks I'll try |
| 12:24.49 | Zharf | asg, I don't have that stuff in /proc anymore apparently, it's somewhere in /sys |
| 12:24.58 | salvin | JJOliver, cp -r for copy a directory |
| 12:25.12 | CoolCold | salvin: i prefer -a cuz it preserve permissions |
| 12:25.32 | JJOliver | salvin: thanks |
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| 12:26.03 | Zharf | hm, it's weird |
| 12:26.10 | Zharf | time cat charge_now |
| 12:26.10 | Zharf | 5212000 |
| 12:26.10 | Zharf | real0m0.444s |
| 12:26.18 | Zharf | :O |
| 12:26.35 | salvin | CoolCold, indeed |
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| 12:26.46 | kamp2tux | http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_1.png |
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| 12:27.14 | JJOliver | so i've copied the /var/cache/apt/archives to the new computer |
| 12:27.27 | JJOliver | how do I get apt-get to recognise the archives as a location for the apts?! |
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| 12:28.20 | abrotman | JJOliver: that's the normal place |
| 12:28.46 | JJOliver | abrotman: one of the apts I installed and then by default copied was brasero |
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| 12:29.01 | abrotman | JJOliver: okay .. and? |
| 12:29.05 | JJOliver | abrotman: when i type apt-get install brasero it says package cannot be found. |
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| 12:29.26 | abrotman | JJOliver: apt-cache policy brasero |
| 12:29.32 | JJOliver | abrotman: I'm trying to take the feckin' package brasero from one computer to another. |
| 12:29.54 | abrotman | hasn't used the feckin' package .. wonders if it's different from the standard package .. |
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| 12:30.38 | abrotman | JJOliver: if you run `apt-cache policy brasero` ... is there any candidate? |
| 12:30.55 | JJOliver | abrotman: I have it installed on computer A. I want it on computer B. |
| 12:31.07 | JJOliver | computer b doesn't have internet access. |
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| 12:31.14 | JJOliver | there is no candidate on computer b |
| 12:31.20 | JJOliver | but it is on computer |
| 12:31.20 | JJOliver | A |
| 12:31.57 | abrotman | JJOliver: if all the dependencies were in your archives .. you may be able to `dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.dev` .. it's not going to be pretty .. but it might work for you |
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| 12:32.20 | jelly | a better way to do it is to create a local repo |
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| 12:32.27 | JJOliver | abrotman: do i not need to alter the source list for apt. |
| 12:32.29 | abrotman | the easier solution might be to hook it into the internet for 10 minutes and setup http sources |
| 12:32.41 | abrotman | jelly: or use apt-cacher or similar |
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| 12:32.50 | abrotman | !approx |
| 12:32.54 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 12:32.54 | dpkg | what's up, abrotman |
| 12:32.57 | abrotman | !apt-cacher |
| 12:32.57 | dpkg | i guess apt-cacher is a caching proxy designed specifically for use by Apt. at http://www.nick-andrew.net/projects/apt-cacher/, or a nifty tool, or see <apt-proxy>, or ask me about <apt-cacher-ng> |
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| 12:33.21 | jelly | abrotman: you're now changing the initial parameters |
| 12:33.21 | JJOliver | abrotman: my internet is 2KB/s it takes along time to do anything. |
| 12:33.30 | abrotman | JJOliver: you don't have to .. but ideally you'll eventually want something like apt-proxy/apt-cacher to do this stuff |
| 12:33.52 | abrotman | JJOliver: if you setup apt-proxy and point all your machines at it, when you download the set of packages for one computer, they will be cached for the second |
| 12:34.01 | JJOliver | It has taken me 5 days and 10 attempts at getting brasero installed on the wrong computer with a mind to moving it to another. |
| 12:34.29 | jelly | JJOliver: had you asked here, we'd have told you aobut apt-zip or similar |
| 12:34.32 | jelly | !apt-zip |
| 12:34.32 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 12:34.48 | JJOliver | abrotman: I'm in the process of getting all the CD's mailed out to me and when I have them and I'll set up a local mirror. That way I can do what you are saying . . . until the disks arrive I can't. |
| 12:35.03 | abrotman | he did start with apt-zip .. but i didn't realize the slave had never been connected to get a real sources.list |
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| 12:35.21 | JJOliver | jelly: we went down that route, when I explained to abrotman he suggested doing what I initially asked, copying the dir /var/cache/apt/archieves |
| 12:35.30 | JJOliver | jelly: now that appears not to be work. |
| 12:35.36 | jpinx-eeepc | can anyone tel me why top shows a total mem usage for around 10%, but at the same time shows 962Mbs used out of 2GBs installed? |
| 12:35.50 | abrotman | JJOliver: if you do the dpkg -i bit .. it should ideally work if all dependencies are in the archives |
| 12:35.58 | jelly | JJOliver: he forgot to tell you about copying the contents of /var/lib/apt as well |
| 12:36.15 | jelly | abrotman: dpkg -i makes baby jelly cry |
| 12:36.18 | abrotman | jelly: i didn't know it didn't have real sources! |
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| 12:36.27 | abrotman | jelly: luckily you're all grown up :) |
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| 12:36.33 | ThomasB | hi |
| 12:36.35 | jelly | riight |
| 12:36.56 | nb9no9nr9 | morning all :) |
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| 12:37.43 | nb9no9nr9 | i have a problem in etch--i have set the bios clock to central time--i have tzdata set to central time--yet every time i boot it keeps setting the clock back 5 hours |
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| 12:41.15 | ser | nb9no9nr9: hwclock --systohc |
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| 12:41.56 | icewaterman | i am trying to compile kernel 2.6.29.1 for etch on ubuntu, kernel compiles fine, but modules cannot be loaded on etch. any idea why that is? |
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| 12:42.28 | nb9no9nr9 | ser: as root? |
| 12:42.44 | ser | icewaterman: what does it mean "cannot be loaded" |
| 12:42.59 | icewaterman | ser: modprobe doesnt find the modules, despite depmod -ae |
| 12:43.00 | ser | nb9no9nr9: what do you think |
| 12:43.13 | icewaterman | ser: it also doesnt load the modules if i try to by force |
| 12:43.14 | ser | icewaterman: where did you place them?\ |
| 12:43.23 | nb9no9nr9 | sorry ser--a serious question deserves a serious non-flip answer |
| 12:43.25 | ser | use insmod |
| 12:43.27 | icewaterman | ser: /lib/modules |
| 12:44.03 | ser | nb9no9nr9: seriously, you should think and then ask |
| 12:44.16 | icewaterman | ser: another problem: even if i compile all the modules into the kernel, it doesnt work properly |
| 12:45.03 | ser | icewaterman: why do u use ubuntu to compile debian? do you want to complicate yours and our life? |
| 12:45.19 | icewaterman | ser: i would use debian to compile it, if i had any. |
| 12:45.31 | ser | icewaterman: just install it :) |
| 12:45.31 | icewaterman | ser: its a server which does not have gcc + stuff installed |
| 12:45.46 | icewaterman | ser: plus the sever is pretty slow |
| 12:45.59 | ser | icewaterman: use your own machine |
| 12:46.06 | icewaterman | ser: ??? |
| 12:46.15 | icewaterman | i told you, my own machine is running ubuntu |
| 12:46.16 | ser | icewaterman: i hope you have a pc? |
| 12:46.22 | ser | icewaterman: switch to debian |
| 12:46.26 | icewaterman | ser: lol |
| 12:46.30 | icewaterman | dont think so |
| 12:46.40 | nb9no9nr9 | irc just draws you assholes like shit draws flies dont it? whats the deal ser? just cant find ANY OTHER PLACE besides irc where your sorry tude wont get your ass kicked up between your shoulderblades? |
| 12:46.51 | ser | nb9no9nr9: :-) |
| 12:47.01 | ThomasB | since a few days ago the debian security-archive is not available any more. http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/ requires now an authorizaton. we need this archive for debian security updates for sarge. Thanks. :) |
| 12:47.06 | ser | icewaterman: deboostrap your debian inside ubuntu |
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| 12:47.19 | ser | icewaterman: your life will be simpler |
| 12:48.18 | ThomasB | What has happened to the archive? |
| 12:48.18 | asg | ThomasB: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
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| 12:49.18 | icewaterman | ser: i probably will just use crosstools |
| 12:49.21 | jelly | ser: srsly, there's 0 reason why one would require a debian installation to merely build a kernel |
| 12:49.30 | ser | icewaterman: debootstrap would be simplre |
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| 12:49.46 | icewaterman | ser: crosstool should do as well. |
| 12:49.52 | jelly | icewaterman: what do you mean by "doesnt work properly"? |
| 12:50.04 | icewaterman | jelly: some error with libgcc.1.so |
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| 12:50.10 | icewaterman | dunno the exact message |
| 12:50.15 | nb9no9nr9 | couldnt he do that with knoppix or kanotix if he had enough ram and say a usb stick to put the compiled kernel? |
| 12:50.18 | icewaterman | as i couldnt login |
| 12:50.34 | jelly | icewaterman: what .config did you start with? |
| 12:51.01 | JJOliver | jelly: okay when I try to CP /var/lib/apt/lists/* /media/JOSH16G/deb/lists/ it says invalid arguement for 2 files . . . it's very frustrating. |
| 12:51.04 | icewaterman | jelly: one that worked just fine with 2.6.28.5 |
| 12:51.25 | icewaterman | and i checked it, all necessary config options were included |
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| 12:51.35 | jelly | icewaterman: built on the same build machine, same gcc version? |
| 12:51.37 | icewaterman | the only new config stuff was rtc related |
| 12:51.50 | ajavid | good morning |
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| 12:51.56 | icewaterman | same machine, ubuntu was upgraded recently |
| 12:52.14 | icewaterman | plus i am now on 64-bit ubuntu |
| 12:52.16 | asg | ThomasB: though it looks like the debian-security/ component has been removed from archive.debian.org. |
| 12:52.19 | jelly | icewaterman: are you using any kernel patches? |
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| 12:52.44 | ajavid | Mem: 7892 4461 3431 0 136 3607 |
| 12:52.51 | ajavid | I'm missing 108MB of ram |
| 12:52.54 | ajavid | where did it go? |
| 12:52.56 | ThomasB | asg: thats the problem |
| 12:53.16 | ThomasB | asg: i know that there isn't any security support any more, but we would like to access the archived security updates. |
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| 12:53.19 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
| 12:53.25 | icewaterman | jelly: yes, grsecurity patches, but similar options worked fine on 32 and 64bit ubuntu |
| 12:53.32 | ajavid | in fact, shouldn't it report 8192, so does that mean I'm missing more than 108mb |
| 12:53.32 | icewaterman | jelly: i'll try crosstools |
| 12:53.35 | ajavid | seriously |
| 12:53.42 | aprendiz001 | I am extending a volume as lvextend --size +1G /dev/blade01/ |
| 12:53.55 | aprendiz001 | but; Logical volume not found in volume group blade01 |
| 12:54.02 | jelly | icewaterman: if a vanilla kernel works fine, you'll know it's grsec that you're having problems with |
| 12:54.06 | aprendiz001 | I want to change the root partition |
| 12:54.11 | aprendiz001 | any idea how to solve it? |
| 12:54.19 | EmleyMoor | aprendiz001: What is the root volume called? |
| 12:54.25 | ThomasB | asg: who could I contact with my problem? |
| 12:54.39 | ThomasB | asg: is there a ftp debian administrator? |
| 12:54.43 | aprendiz001 | EmleyMoor, /dev/mapper/blade01-root |
| 12:54.48 | jelly | icewaterman: and frankly first thing that came into my mind after you said "some error with libgcc.1.so" was grsec. |
| 12:55.05 | aprendiz001 | I have used that command in that way but with /var |
| 12:55.21 | EmleyMoor | aprendiz: Try that instead of /dev/blade01 |
| 12:55.29 | aprendiz001 | an something wron with /, maybe confuse / as separator |
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| 12:55.47 | aprendiz001 | EmleyMoor, Path required for Logical Volume "blade01" |
| 12:55.59 | ajavid | I'm missing 108MB of ram people |
| 12:56.04 | ajavid | Mem: 7892 4461 3431 0 136 3607 |
| 12:56.06 | ser | lvextedn -L+1G /dev/blade0/root |
| 12:56.07 | ajavid | why? |
| 12:56.15 | nb9no9nr9 | shared video ram? |
| 12:56.20 | ajavid | nope |
| 12:56.34 | jelly | ajavid: are you using a debian distro kernel? |
| 12:56.36 | aprendiz001 | ser, that is |
| 12:56.36 | ajavid | only thing onboard is nic, sound etc. |
| 12:56.44 | ajavid | jelly, amd64 sid |
| 12:56.47 | icewaterman | jelly: yes, i'd agree if it hadnt run on another box just fine. |
| 12:56.49 | aprendiz001 | thanks, / = /root then |
| 12:56.50 | aprendiz001 | :D |
| 12:56.56 | aprendiz001 | for LVM I mean |
| 12:57.21 | EmleyMoor | aprendiz001: You can't call a volume (nothing) <g> |
| 12:57.21 | jelly | icewaterman: that still doesn't mean it's not grsec fault; the machines might be subtly different |
| 12:57.30 | ajavid | jelly, on x86 debian sid it reported 3gb, instead of 4gb, on amd64 debian sid it reports 7892 out of 8192 MB |
| 12:57.37 | ajavid | just wondering why so much ram is missing |
| 12:57.38 | ser | jelly: this is why i advised to debootstrap... it would eliminate all thses questions and problems |
| 12:57.50 | jelly | ser: nope? |
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| 12:58.07 | icewaterman | jelly: yes, but it doesnt find the modules, thats no typical grsec error |
| 12:58.09 | ajavid | hang on this is not sid wtf |
| 12:58.15 | aprendiz001 | EmleyMoor, OK |
| 12:58.24 | icewaterman | jelly: plus it specifies the wrong path for the modules |
| 12:58.25 | ajavid | Linux laptop 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 18:08:45 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:58.28 | stew | ThomasB: afaik, archive.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge should have all the security updates ever released for sarge (they all would have been put right into the main repo) |
| 12:58.33 | ajavid | no its lenny sorry |
| 12:58.38 | ajavid | jelly, lenny |
| 12:58.41 | stew | ThomasB: but, of course, if you are worried about security, you should be running lenny, not sarge |
| 12:58.51 | ThomasB | stew: :) |
| 12:58.52 | jelly | ser: debootstraping his build machine to use debian's toolchain little change of fixing weird kernel patch issues |
| 12:58.55 | jelly | ser: imho. |
| 12:58.58 | ThomasB | stew: of course, thats true in the end |
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| 12:59.12 | aspect | is anyone here familiar with KDE packaging? I'm running sid, tried kde4 and didn't like it, having nightmares trying to restore my system to kde3 without everything falling apart |
| 12:59.26 | ser | jelly: in debootrap you can use a debian kernel tools to elimiate all patch problems as well |
| 12:59.28 | ajavid | aspect, please visit #debian-kde |
| 12:59.56 | ajavid | aspect, here and its moved also to irc.debian.org I think |
| 12:59.58 | aspect | ajavid: thank you |
| 13:00.01 | ajavid | oftc.net |
| 13:00.09 | stew | aspect: reinstall stable |
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| 13:00.27 | ThomasB | stew and asg: thanks anyway! |
| 13:00.28 | ajavid | oh he did mention si d |
| 13:00.35 | JJOliver | jelly: your idea of copying /var/lib/apt/lists isn't working any suggestions? |
| 13:00.46 | ajavid | aspect, you realy should be using stable not unstable |
| 13:00.48 | jelly | JJOliver: "isn't working"? |
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| 13:01.26 | JJOliver | jelly: as I previously said . . . it's saying 'invalid argument' when trying to copy the files |
| 13:01.38 | aspect | I've been quite comfortable on sid so far .. am I asking for trouble particularly wanting kde3 on unstable? |
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| 13:01.53 | ser | JJOliver: could you please paste here the whole command and the output? |
| 13:02.04 | JJOliver | ser: no |
| 13:02.14 | JJOliver | ser: it's on another computer without internet access |
| 13:02.15 | ajavid | aspect, no, just that when we hear of someone using sid, we normally expect them to not ask such trivial 'baby' questions if you will |
| 13:02.18 | ajavid | :) |
| 13:02.29 | stew | ThomasB: is there some security update you think is missing? |
| 13:02.31 | jelly | ser: dude, debian doesn't even provide uptodate grsecurity patches, nor do their tools help with patching/building such a kernel in any relevant way |
| 13:02.55 | JJOliver | what's happening is that it's copying 3 of the 6 files from /var/lib/apt/lists to /media/JOSH16G/deb/lists/ |
| 13:03.04 | aspect | ajavid: understood :). I'm usually pretty good at getting myself out of trouble, but going to stable is my backup plan if all else fails :) |
| 13:03.08 | aspect | thanks again |
| 13:03.11 | JJOliver | 3 of the files don't copy citing "invalid arguement" |
| 13:03.32 | jelly | JJOliver: what is "/media/JOSH16G/deb/lists/"? |
| 13:03.36 | ser | jelly: ok, you are right, i missed the first few sentences of the discuss it is related to grsec |
| 13:03.36 | ThomasB | stew: we have a few older maschines with mysql running, which we cannon upgrade at the moment. and apticron has mailed to us the problem with the one apt source. |
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| 13:03.50 | ajavid | aspect, though, if you never mess with it firsthand, you'll never learn it. Stick to stable for production env. and feel free to use unstable or experimental to play around with in your own box or a virtual machine |
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| 13:04.00 | JJOliver | jelly: that's the folder on my flash drive |
| 13:04.07 | jelly | JJOliver: formatted with vfat? |
| 13:04.15 | JJOliver | jelly: actually it's only 2 files that aren't copying. |
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| 13:04.26 | ser | so i can say: good luck! crosscompiiling grsec on ubuntu for debian would be fun :) |
| 13:04.39 | jelly | JJOliver: tar the whole directory up, vfat doesn't support symlinks, unix ownership/permissions etc |
| 13:04.41 | JJOliver | jelly: don't know. How can I find out? |
| 13:05.00 | jelly | JJOliver: it'll break the file permissions. Use tar. |
| 13:05.47 | JJOliver | jelly: thanks. how do I use tar? I'm completely new to Linux and spending 6 full days trying to get a DVD+RW to work isn't my idea of simple / user friendly. |
| 13:06.17 | ajavid | man tar |
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| 13:06.23 | ajavid | dun dun dun! |
| 13:06.52 | jelly | JJOliver: you're right there, it's not friendly at all. You this occasion, do something like "cd /; tar cvf /media/JOSH16G/deb/var-lib-apt.tar.gz var/lib/apt" |
| 13:07.06 | jelly | oops |
| 13:07.16 | jelly | JJOliver: "cd /; tar cvf /media/JOSH16G/deb/var-lib-apt.tar var/lib/apt" |
| 13:07.28 | rcarnevale | I googled aroung PERC6/i and PERC5/i SAS controller and someone say "Everything OK" and some say "Too bad". Is there someone how recently installed a DELL Server w/RAID5 succesfully? |
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| 13:07.49 | JJOliver | jelly: and that's not gonna do anything to the lists on this computer? |
| 13:08.09 | jelly | JJOliver: that will create a tar archive with the contents of /var/lib/apt (and not change those contents in any way, no) |
| 13:08.15 | rcarnevale | I can't find a definitive work around this question |
| 13:08.33 | ajavid | rcarnevale, try ##hardware as well |
| 13:08.34 | JJOliver | jelly: thanks |
| 13:08.57 | rcarnevale | ajavid: THX I will! |
| 13:09.29 | abrotman | rcarnevale: why not just try it? |
| 13:09.44 | ajavid | how can I find out my GPU temperature from within linux? |
| 13:09.55 | ajavid | lm-sensors support that or what? |
| 13:09.55 | rcarnevale | abrotman: I have to buy 2 servers... |
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| 13:10.16 | abrotman | rcarnevale: oh, you don't have them there .. the support very likely depends on the kernel version used |
| 13:10.40 | JJOliver | jelly: now how would I un-tar at the other end? |
| 13:10.50 | ajavid | cuz I took apart the x1900xt yesterday and rebuffed the heatsink and applied better thermal compound, and I don't use windows obviously, but I can't figure out on interwebs even how to check for gpu temperature on debian |
| 13:10.54 | ajavid | please advise |
| 13:11.06 | jelly | JJOliver: on that other machine, unpack the archive using "cd /; tar xvf /where/ever/var-lib-apt.tar" |
| 13:11.21 | stew | rcarnevale: i've got a few perc5s running raid5 and raid50, sure |
| 13:11.26 | rcarnevale | abrotman: I will use lenny w/vanilla kernel. HA/DRBD8/OCFS2 running Postfix/Dovecot |
| 13:11.28 | jelly | ajavid: ##ati ? |
| 13:11.31 | ajavid | I see some nvidia tools for it, but I have ati and I don't see ati temperature tools anywhere |
| 13:11.31 | JJOliver | jelly: thanks |
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| 13:11.37 | ajavid | jelly, word |
| 13:11.41 | ajavid | didn't even think of that |
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| 13:12.24 | abrotman | rcarnevale: is there a non /i option ? |
| 13:12.56 | jmut | I cannot ab anywhere :( From what I know it should be in apache2-utils. I tried search ing but couldn't find either |
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| 13:13.27 | jmut | found it |
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| 13:14.05 | jelly | JJOliver: (the usual filesystem used for sticks, vfat, cannot support all the weird unix filesystem features... you can reformat it with a decent linux filesystem, but then you can't read it in Windows easily) |
| 13:14.14 | rcarnevale | abrotman: I don't understand question. What do you mean? |
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| 13:14.27 | abrotman | rcarnevale: are those the only two controllers available? |
| 13:14.28 | JJOliver | jelly: thanks I got the tar'ing now i think |
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| 13:17.45 | rcarnevale | abrotman: in the class of servers I can access with my budget... I complain bat... YES! |
| 13:18.03 | abrotman | rcarnevale: ok .. just wondering |
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| 13:19.28 | rcarnevale | abrotman: I have to install a High availability, low cost, infrastructure. This is available on DELL HW with open source OS! |
| 13:19.40 | JJOliver | jelly: sadly, whilst everything you have suggested has worked. apt-get install brasero still fails to work |
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| 13:23.51 | rcarnevale | stew: what level of kernel were you running on your machine using perc5? |
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| 13:26.37 | stew | rcarnevale: i've run everything from 2.6.18 to 2.6.26 |
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| 13:31.44 | abrotman | rcarnevale: i'm sorry |
| 13:32.49 | anddam | hello |
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| 13:35.21 | rcarnevale | abrotman: ??? sorry about what? My budget? |
| 13:35.28 | rcarnevale | abrotman : :) |
| 13:35.44 | abrotman | whistles |
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| 13:36.49 | revert | is there a reason not to use apt-mirror for a public mirror? I was looking through the docs and saw that the ftpsync scripts are suggested |
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| 13:40.13 | zamba | when installing a system on a server with hardware raid and i want to use raid-5.. how can i get messages about disk failures? |
| 13:40.31 | zamba | hardware raid is transparent to the system, isn't it? |
| 13:40.56 | abrotman | some controllers have an OS level interface that you can monitor |
| 13:41.08 | abrotman | zamba: otherwise .. look for the bad light :) |
| 13:41.52 | zamba | abrotman: i'm going to install linux on a poweredge 1900 by dell.. do you have any idea which controller they use? |
| 13:42.08 | ajavid | hey |
| 13:42.09 | abrotman | probably a PERC one |
| 13:42.11 | zamba | well.. once the system's up and running i probably will never see it again |
| 13:42.16 | zamba | abrotman: yeah, that looks familiar |
| 13:42.25 | zamba | probably|hopefully |
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| 13:42.30 | ajavid | with fglrx `aticonfig --adapter=0 --od-gettemperature` for getting ati card temps, but this is only with fglrx |
| 13:42.45 | ajavid | which I don't use, so now I ask in #radeon, lets find out if i can get the gpu temp |
| 13:42.49 | abrotman | zamba: if you check linux.dell.com .. you might find what you're looking for |
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| 13:43.12 | ajavid | uhm... linux.dell.com? |
| 13:43.14 | ajavid | wtf |
| 13:43.32 | zamba | "Both drivers are included in kernel.org 2.6.x kernels.." |
| 13:43.34 | zamba | i love stuff like that |
| 13:43.52 | macsim`work | hi, I got a lot of message like this 4gb seg fixup, process on my debian xen serveur, I install libc6-xen but the problem still any idea ? thanks |
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| 13:44.39 | zamba | but if the controller is ok, they you should use hardware raid instead of software, right? |
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| 13:44.45 | abrotman | zamba: drivers yes, but montioring software? |
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| 13:46.17 | rcarnevale | zambra: I read on google that monitoring sw had problems till march 2008 |
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| 13:46.43 | rcarnevale | zambra: after that I didn't saw anything else |
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| 13:49.10 | JJOliver | Hi, I need to now buy a PCI USB2 device, are there any that I should avoid for use with the latest LENNY and LXDE? |
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| 13:49.29 | anddam | does the order of lines matter in sources.list? |
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| 13:49.57 | DustyDingo | anddam: not really |
| 13:49.58 | rcarnevale | anddam: I don't think so! |
| 13:49.59 | abrotman | not really |
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| 13:50.11 | anddam | ok, I got it, thanks :-) |
| 13:50.22 | DustyDingo | are you sure? |
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| 13:51.25 | rcarnevale | DustyDingo: apt merge about age of pck info before showing it. May be iportant on pinning(?) |
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| 13:52.26 | dmarkey | how do i specify more than one domain in dc_relay_domains |
| 13:52.28 | anddam | can I follow backport reference with aptitude rather than apt-get? |
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| 13:55.04 | abrotman | anddam: follow what? |
| 13:55.16 | Masterof67 | Hi all |
| 13:55.24 | Masterof67 | Ca get's ? :) |
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| 13:55.41 | abrotman | english please? |
| 13:55.50 | Masterof67 | of course ... xD |
| 13:55.58 | Masterof67 | can u speak french ? |
| 13:56.05 | Masterof67 | in private session ... Oo |
| 13:56.05 | abrotman | !fr |
| 13:56.05 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:56.10 | Masterof67 | I don't speak english very well |
| 13:56.13 | Masterof67 | thanks for the /cmds |
| 13:56.30 | Masterof67 | !fr |
| 13:56.30 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:00.39 | ix | !no |
| 14:00.39 | dpkg | No Offense |
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| 14:01.51 | abrotman | ix: !.no |
| 14:02.31 | zamba | which virtualization engine should i use? xen or virtualbox? i want to virtualize only *nix servers (but one ltsp server).. |
| 14:02.59 | ix | !.no |
| 14:02.59 | dpkg | it has been said that .no is Norway |
| 14:03.03 | asg | zamba: you may wish to look at KVM also |
| 14:03.11 | ix | abrotman: hehe |
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| 14:06.25 | anddam | !backports |
| 14:06.25 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 14:06.32 | anddam | abrotman: I meant follow that |
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| 14:07.16 | ix | !backport caveat |
| 14:07.17 | dpkg | i guess backport caveat is Remember that you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered |
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| 14:08.21 | orangey | hello all! |
| 14:08.38 | orangey | is there a convenient and easy way to undelete ext3 files yet? |
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| 14:09.39 | abrotman | not really |
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| 14:10.36 | mns | Anyone know a channel I can go to for m4 questions ? |
| 14:11.05 | rcarnevale | not really. best way is to " alias rm='rm -i' " |
| 14:11.31 | themill | anddam: if you're using lenny onwards, then yes, you can use aptitude rather than apt-get for all steps of the "simple sid backport" procedure. |
| 14:11.51 | anddam | themill: yes, I'm on lenny |
| 14:12.16 | anddam | themill: tho' $ aptitude source calibre |
| 14:12.16 | anddam | Unknown command "source" |
| 14:12.26 | jpinx-eeepc | I am having some wierdness in trying to partition an SDHC card. cfdisk says it's re-partitioned, but when I save the partition table and exit, the device reverts to it's previous partitioning. Anyone any ideas? |
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| 14:12.51 | themill | anddam: err... make that *almost* all steps :) |
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| 14:14.07 | anddam | themill: :-) |
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| 14:14.49 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: aptitude didn't do the apt-get -b source .... bit ;) |
| 14:15.03 | themill | yes, I can see that. |
| 14:15.06 | anddam | themill: I asked as I'm on aptitude and I was told it's a _bad_ thing mix up aptitude and apt-get, but I'm assuming that's mainly for installing/dependencies' resolution |
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| 14:16.12 | themill | anddam: aptitude and apt-get are quite happily mixed these days. The only thing where they disagree is about putting packages on "hold". And things like apt-get source were never an issue with that anyway because as you say, it's got nothing to do with installing packages. |
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| 14:16.35 | anddam | lucky me |
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| 14:24.10 | zxd | how to find out why qtconfig sees sans-serif as helvetica |
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| 14:29.57 | themill | zxd: because it's listed in the "Font substitution" list in qtconfig |
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| 14:30.39 | zxd | themill, Yes I know san-serif shows helvetica in font subsitution list , but why |
| 14:31.20 | themill | I'm obviously missing the point of your question here, because the only answer I can think of is "because it's configured that way" |
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| 14:31.48 | zxd | themill, where? |
| 14:31.57 | themill | in qtconfig... |
| 14:32.07 | zxd | not in fontconfig ? /etc/fonts ? |
| 14:32.12 | valdyn | zxd: probably because bitstream vera is not installed |
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| 14:32.39 | zxd | valdyn, no it is disabled but , why is helvetica san-serif substitution why dosen't it read the settings in /etc/fonts |
| 14:32.50 | zxd | I have diffrenet preffered font set in /etc/fonts for sans-serif |
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| 14:33.36 | themill | zxd: qtconfig *is* the configuration tool for qt font substitutions. It shows that substitution because that's the configuration it has. If you don't want that, then change it in qtconfig. |
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| 14:35.53 | zxd | themill, If i am running it as a regular user under what config files the settings are saved? |
| 14:36.29 | themill | ~/.qt/qtrc at a guess |
| 14:36.48 | zxd | I dont have that |
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| 14:38.19 | themill | zxd: that's for the qt3 version, the qt4 version uses ~/.config/Trolltech.conf |
| 14:38.21 | ajavid | hey themill have you tried kde4 again yet? |
| 14:38.32 | zxd | themill, ok |
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| 14:39.18 | themill | ajavid: one day... I only just upgraded my last etch desktop machine to lenny today... I'm not exactly one to go chasing sns. |
| 14:39.58 | zxd | themill, is there a system wide configuration for Trolltech.conf |
| 14:42.13 | themill | zxd: nfc. "strace -e open qtconfig 2>&1 | grep -i troll" and "strace -e open qtconfig 2>&1 | grep etc" seem to indicate not. |
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| 14:43.56 | ajavid | yeh, I tried it, just now, it still isn't where I'd like it to be, so back to 3.5 I go |
| 14:44.18 | abrotman | ajavid: fair warning .. some guy wsa in here earlier with a mess triyng to go back (while running sid) |
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| 14:44.37 | ajavid | its already underway |
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| 14:44.44 | ajavid | :) thanks for the heads up, no problems here |
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| 14:45.32 | themill | kde4 in sid uses ~/.kde not ~/.kde4 which can make for lots of fun user config problems. |
| 14:45.53 | ajavid | yup |
| 14:46.17 | ajavid | (I've been checking it out every now and again, plus I spend a lot of time in the debian kde resources) |
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| 14:47.47 | zxd | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/209358 |
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| 14:48.44 | mischief6 | can anyone point me to a good guide for limits.conf? |
| 14:48.52 | mischief6 | er, pam_limits? |
| 14:49.54 | anddam | apart the Build-Depends in .dsc I need to manually install packages in Other Packages Related on pdo too, right? |
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| 14:51.21 | valdyn | !confuse anddam |
| 14:51.21 | dpkg | Yes, what was our gerbil tomorrow, anddam? trousers of the monarchy of mongolia with extra anchovies |
| 14:51.38 | ajavid | lol |
| 14:51.40 | anddam | Dilbert-ish |
| 14:51.54 | ajavid | is that something dilbert is likely to say? |
| 14:52.03 | ajavid | I'd imagine a crackhead perhaps |
| 14:52.35 | anddam | it doesn't sound unlikely, I read something about gerbil, and mongolia would definitely be dilbert |
| 14:52.44 | anddam | valdyn: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package#s-port |
| 14:52.59 | anddam | 'inspect required packages (Build-Depends in .dsc file) and install them too. You need the "fakeroot" package also.' |
| 14:53.39 | valdyn | anddam: why are you doing it? |
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| 14:53.55 | anddam | valdyn: "it" what? backporting? |
| 14:54.07 | valdyn | anddam: no, why do you think you need to read the .dsc file |
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| 14:54.38 | valdyn | anddam: for source packages available from repositories this is done like: apt-get -b source <packagename> |
| 14:54.39 | anddam | valdyn: I don't think I need it, I'm just following the link I just pasted |
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| 14:54.53 | Moofius- | anyone know how to upgrade python from 2.4 to 2.6 with apt-get? |
| 14:55.13 | valdyn | Moofius-: not |
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| 14:56.12 | themill | judd versions python2.6 |
| 14:56.12 | judd | themill: python2.6 -- experimental: 2.6.1-3 |
| 14:56.15 | themill | Moofius-: you don't. |
| 14:56.34 | zxd | does anyone know a tool for benchmarking 2d performance ? |
| 14:56.37 | zxd | in X |
| 14:56.39 | zxd | xorg |
| 14:56.52 | zxd | window rendering |
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| 15:00.39 | jelly | x11perf? |
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| 15:05.26 | valdyn | zxd: pointless, isnt it? |
| 15:05.39 | valdyn | zxd: either windows are drawn fast enough or not. what use benchmark? |
| 15:06.45 | jelly | makes valdyn resize a GTK+ or Qt window and observe the ugliness |
| 15:07.01 | valdyn | yea i do that all day in compiz and cry |
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| 15:08.38 | valdyn | but i can have smooth wobbling! |
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| 15:09.16 | jelly | MS Windows widgets act a few orders of magnitude smoother |
| 15:09.26 | valdyn | jelly: or not at all |
| 15:09.38 | valdyn | jelly: i mean, i noticed that putty in windows just doesnt |
| 15:09.44 | valdyn | jelly: no idea what else doesnt |
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| 15:09.55 | valdyn | jelly: static content till resize done |
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| 15:10.45 | valdyn | ie is smoooth, but is also smooth in wine, funny |
| 15:10.53 | Riesh | Hi ... to make googleearth 5 run on debian/sid/amd64 i have installed ia32-libs ... although now dpkg --print-architecture says i have a i386 system ... now i have removed them dpkg still reports i386 ... how to solve this? |
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| 15:12.10 | Riesh | when i update i get errors like " package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386)" |
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| 15:12.24 | valdyn | Riesh: how the hell did you break the architecture? |
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| 15:12.58 | Riesh | yeah ... you tell me ... i just install some libs i thought were needed for google earth |
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| 15:13.16 | valdyn | Riesh: you didnt break architecture by installing ia32-libs, thats not what it does |
| 15:13.45 | valdyn | Riesh: so what *else* did you do? |
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| 15:14.13 | Riesh | i really do not know why dpkg now is reporting i have a i386 system ... |
| 15:14.15 | valdyn | Riesh: dpkg -i --force-all some32bit.debs ? |
| 15:14.26 | Riesh | no |
| 15:14.37 | kibibyte | hi |
| 15:14.58 | jelly | Riesh: running it in the wrong terminal (on a different machine)? :-) |
| 15:15.12 | valdyn | Riesh: well check you bash history or /var/log/dpkg.log on what you did |
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| 15:15.25 | valdyn | that sounds likely, jelly |
| 15:15.28 | Riesh | only what i did "apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk ia32-apt-get lib32nss-mdns" |
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| 15:16.05 | valdyn | Riesh: "which dpkg" gives what? |
| 15:16.34 | Riesh | /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 15:16.46 | valdyn | Riesh: ia32-apt-get is in debian? |
| 15:16.53 | valdyn | Riesh: you did something fucked up there |
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| 15:17.02 | Riesh | seems so .. in sid |
| 15:17.14 | valdyn | ia32-apt-get - Apt-get and dpkg wrapper for on-the-fly ia32-libs conversion |
| 15:17.19 | valdyn | Riesh: file /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 15:17.48 | Riesh | wow ... it is 32 bit: /usr/bin/dpkg: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped |
| 15:18.00 | Riesh | how is that possible? |
| 15:18.08 | valdyn | Riesh: read the description of ia32-apt-get precisely |
| 15:18.29 | valdyn | Riesh: then purge that package and reinstall dpkg and probably more |
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| 15:19.03 | Riesh | ok ... i'll try .. |
| 15:19.27 | valdyn | Riesh: but if what you said above is true then you dont need to do more than purge ia32-apt-get it seems |
| 15:19.56 | Riesh | well it leaves some directories .. which it says are not empty |
| 15:20.05 | valdyn | Riesh: thats not a problem |
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| 15:20.37 | Riesh | But you think i need to re-install dpkg ? |
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| 15:20.42 | valdyn | Riesh: no |
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| 15:24.34 | cps0 | hi |
| 15:25.00 | cps0 | i' m having lot of errors messages during updates of my notebook |
| 15:25.09 | cps0 | I put the output from aptitude in http://pastebin.com/d1e9b80eb |
| 15:25.13 | Riesh | seems i really messed stuff up :-( ... because i liked to have amarok 2 i pulled that from experimental ... did some pinning but now it wants to install dpkg and bash from experimental too |
| 15:25.41 | cps0 | the errors are related to acpid, acpi-support |
| 15:25.47 | Riesh | but they are not installable because they are amd64 ... and my system is reported to be i386 |
| 15:25.56 | cps0 | i'm using a custom 2.6.29 kernel |
| 15:26.30 | cps0 | any know why this messages block my updated? my system is an unstable one |
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| 15:28.54 | cps0 | i already cleaned all the archive directory but without sucess |
| 15:29.29 | cps0 | anyone has a tip how to solve this? |
| 15:29.58 | Riesh | thought 32bit software would run on 64 bit system with the right libs ... did not know the whole system can get this f&^%ed up that it thinks it is i386 now ... seems the windows way will be the easiest (re-install everything) |
| 15:30.50 | valdyn | Riesh: uh |
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| 15:31.02 | valdyn | Riesh: nothing broken yet |
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| 15:31.25 | Riesh | yes .. how to tell dpkg then that it is amd64 ... and not i386 |
| 15:31.38 | valdyn | Riesh: did you remove the package yet? |
| 15:31.46 | Riesh | Yes |
| 15:31.47 | valdyn | Riesh: does dpkg STILL give t he wrong arch? |
| 15:31.51 | Riesh | yes |
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| 15:32.21 | Riesh | autoremove also removed ia32-libs-tools lib32gcc1 lib32asound2 lib32z1 lib32stdc++6 libpulsecore9 libltdl3 |
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| 15:33.38 | Manoj | download the dpkg with the correct arch manually from your mirror? |
| 15:33.38 | valdyn | Riesh: those are unrelated to your problem though |
| 15:34.01 | maligor | Riesh, using sid is always an adventure |
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| 15:34.22 | valdyn | Riesh: this would probably already be fixed if you had read the docs to that package |
| 15:34.26 | Riesh | reinstalling dpkg give me: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.15.0_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 15:34.32 | Riesh | package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) |
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| 15:35.10 | maligor | yeah, the default ia32-apt-get seems to want to replacce lots of stuff with i386 |
| 15:35.22 | maligor | I guess it's buggy :P |
| 15:35.25 | valdyn | its a tool to convert a system to 386 debian |
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| 15:35.32 | Riesh | mmm yeah ... seems so |
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| 15:35.37 | Riesh | little annoying |
| 15:35.38 | valdyn | no, that does not make it buggy |
| 15:35.46 | maligor | heh, funky |
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| 15:36.04 | Riesh | how to convert it back then ? |
| 15:36.08 | Manoj | Riesh: dpkg --force-architecture ? |
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| 15:36.20 | maligor | I thought it was meant for installing ia32 compat libraries |
| 15:36.23 | valdyn | judd: versions am64-apt-get |
| 15:36.24 | judd | valdyn: am64-apt-get -- |
| 15:36.30 | Manoj | Riesh: dpkg --force-architecture -i dpkg |
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| 15:37.03 | maligor | sort of like multiarch |
| 15:37.04 | valdyn | force-arch would work anyway, but Riesh should read the ia32-apt-get docs |
| 15:37.11 | Riesh | aha :-D |
| 15:37.17 | Riesh | that indeed worked |
| 15:37.23 | Riesh | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 15:37.23 | dpkg | Riesh: bugger all, i dunno |
| 15:37.29 | Riesh | show amd64 again |
| 15:37.41 | Riesh | :-) |
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| 15:38.53 | Riesh | and file /usr/bin/dpkg shows: /usr/bin/dpkg: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped |
| 15:39.04 | valdyn | i have the feeling that ia32-apt-get gives you a "multiarch" dpkg |
| 15:39.31 | valdyn | and installs i386 packages as amd64 packages in /emul, or something like that |
| 15:39.46 | maligor | valdyn, well, that's what I thought after reading info on it, yes |
| 15:40.00 | maligor | hmm.. I guess I could try |
| 15:40.34 | Riesh | mmm ... at least i can update again ... and indeed i have some things in /emul/ia32-linux/ |
| 15:41.17 | Riesh | Thanks guys! ... |
| 15:41.21 | valdyn | heh, it diverts the old dpkg /apt-get |
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| 15:42.54 | valdyn | *very* nice tool |
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| 15:44.52 | kittonian | can anyone help me with compiling libnss-pgsql. it doesn't seem to want to make and i have it on another system and when i looked at the config.log for the configure directive it showed that apparently i didn't actually run make to install it |
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| 15:45.36 | ringo999 | hi. i'm having problems getting jre to work for iceweasel on lenny. I#ve installed sun-java5/6 from non-free, howerver, update-alternatives --list mozilla-javaplugin.so will not find anything |
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| 15:55.20 | themill | ringo999: just use update-java-alternatives |
| 15:56.05 | ringo999 | themill: i did, but for some reason it only worked with manually creating a link http://xjqian.wordpress.com/2007/11/11/jre-plugin-for-mozilla/ |
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| 15:56.51 | themill | ringo999: can't say that I've ever done that |
| 15:57.05 | ringo999 | themill: i know, it used to work for me... |
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| 15:57.31 | themill | ringo999: did you install the sun-java6-plugin package? |
| 15:57.51 | themill | (or just the jre) |
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| 15:58.34 | PatrickBatman | I'm looking for some advice on building a custom package build system. there seems to be many different ways to do this. is the the right channel for dev related stuff? |
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| 15:59.05 | rudi_s | I'm trying to hibernate-disk but after displaying "s2disk: Snapshoting System" it goes back to my system. How can I find out where the problem is? Thanks. |
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| 15:59.36 | themill | PatrickBatman: there are already too many package build systems around. What are you trying to accomplish? (and have you looked at some of the others?) |
| 16:00.23 | simonrvn | themill: oh but yet another one would be wonderful! :P |
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| 16:00.56 | PatrickBatman | themill: I'm using debhelper and dbuild, though I'm stuck on automatically installing the build-deps |
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| 16:01.13 | the_sniff | there should really be an --exclude in cp! |
| 16:01.13 | themill | simonrvn: I'm going to make frankendebhelpercdbsdpatchquiltgitsvn-buildpackage |
| 16:01.14 | PatrickBatman | debuild will warn and list build-deps but not install them automaticaly |
| 16:01.24 | PatrickBatman | the_sniff: try rsync |
| 16:01.32 | the_sniff | yeah i know |
| 16:01.33 | the_sniff | i hate it :X |
| 16:01.39 | themill | PatrickBatman: pbuilder or cowbuilder will do that for you |
| 16:01.41 | simonrvn | themill: hehe |
| 16:01.41 | the_sniff | im scared of rsync |
| 16:01.46 | themill | PatrickBatman: or sbuild |
| 16:01.52 | PatrickBatman | themill: I was recommended pbuilder but I don't need the overhead of a chroot |
| 16:01.57 | cps0 | has any a tip about http://pastebin.com/d1e9b80eb |
| 16:02.13 | PatrickBatman | I'm using Amazon EC2 instances for build sservers. They are born "fresh" |
| 16:02.23 | cps0 | I already tried a lot of things without success |
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| 16:02.30 | simonrvn | chroot is mostly disk space usage. that's why i can't use something like that |
| 16:02.34 | PatrickBatman | themill: I'll check out sbuild. thanks |
| 16:02.53 | themill | PatrickBatman: if you're happy to have your local system polluted with packages, then apt-get build-dep is sufficient. There are also pbuilder-satisfydepends and things like this that can help. |
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| 16:03.10 | PatrickBatman | pollution isn't a problem |
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| 16:03.18 | PatrickBatman | these build systems are disposible. rented by the hour |
| 16:03.40 | PatrickBatman | thanks for the advice. that's enough to go on for now |
| 16:04.05 | simonrvn | disposable build system o_O? |
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| 16:04.42 | PatrickBatman | simonrvn: start EC2 instance, run bootstrap script to get build packages installed, upload source package, build binary, copy to repo, terminate instance |
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| 16:06.26 | simonrvn | there's something about that that rubs me the wrong way on so many levels. |
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| 16:06.52 | PatrickBatman | I'm happy to have the crappy part of my job rendered obsolete |
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| 16:07.14 | PatrickBatman | rackmonkey no longer! |
| 16:07.18 | simonrvn | heh |
| 16:07.33 | simonrvn | i suppose that's a positive |
| 16:07.35 | PatrickBatman | I manage my "co-lo" with a Firefox plugin! |
| 16:07.40 | Moofius- | anyone know how to get hashlib working with debian? |
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| 16:07.45 | PatrickBatman | it's AMAZING |
| 16:09.03 | themill | cps0: do you have splashy installed? |
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| 16:15.38 | cps0 | themill: I have |
| 16:15.44 | el_critter | Hi, I'm using initrd to boot into a raid1 root partition. When booting, initrd tries to start raid devices but seems to miss the configuration (devices forming part of the raid1) so it fails mounting it. How can I solve that? |
| 16:15.54 | cps0 | splashy is working |
| 16:16.09 | themill | cps0: splashy in testing has a couple of horrid bugs that are breaking other init scripts |
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| 16:16.34 | Absolute0 | Is there any app that will print the amount of instructions that can be executed by the system per second? |
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| 16:16.43 | cps0 | themill: sometimes i get some erros like screen beeing showing as half screen |
| 16:17.07 | cps0 | themill: but the system is working even with splashy |
| 16:17.27 | cps0 | themill: the problem i get is only during the update process |
| 16:17.34 | PatrickBatman | Absolute0: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:17.56 | Absolute0 | PatrickBatman: mhz? |
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| 16:18.23 | jelly | wonders whether paste.debian.net has a spam reporting tool |
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| 16:19.05 | PatrickBatman | Absolute0: try it |
| 16:19.28 | Absolute0 | PatrickBatman: other factors are invovled as well. |
| 16:19.40 | Absolute0 | cache,ram etc |
| 16:19.58 | themill | cps0: squeeze? |
| 16:19.59 | PatrickBatman | heh, you're telling me |
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| 16:20.35 | izua | what do I need to edit to add fortune (fortune cmd works) when bash starts up? |
| 16:20.53 | dacs | howdy folks |
| 16:21.01 | cps0 | themill: yes, sometimes I get the screen squeezed. |
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| 16:21.46 | themill | cps0: what release of debian are you using? Can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 acpid splashy" |
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| 16:22.26 | themill | izua: ~/.bash_profile |
| 16:22.54 | cps0 | themill: http://pastebin.com/d200f17ea |
| 16:23.14 | themill | !btssmite cps0 |
| 16:23.14 | dpkg | beats cps0 around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if cps0 is running testing or unstable |
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| 16:23.51 | cps0 | themill: I'm using unstable |
| 16:24.10 | izua | nope, doesn't work. i added 'fortune' to ~/.bash_profile (non existant), started a new bash and nothing. |
| 16:24.19 | themill | cps0: it's a splashy bug and you'll find it in both the splashy and acpid bug pages. And as a user of sid, that's the *first* place you should look. |
| 16:24.25 | cps0 | themill: the last version during update is acpid version 1.0.8-8 |
| 16:24.26 | themill | izua: how are you testing it? |
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| 16:25.04 | cps0 | themill: i didn`t know about that, I will check there |
| 16:25.52 | izua | created a new konsole tab failed, sshed into my own box, failed. |
| 16:26.45 | izua | hmm.. now it works when ssh-ing, but it doesn't work when opening a new konsole tab |
| 16:26.53 | izua | how do i remove the debian notice when ssh-ing? |
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| 16:27.00 | wamty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:27.19 | rudi_s | izua: /etc/motd |
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| 16:27.40 | themill | izua: you'll need to change konsole to use "bash -ls" not just "bash" for the session. Settings -> Configure console -> Sessions |
| 16:27.57 | PatrickBatman | so...pdebuild --pbuildersatisfydepends returns true and does nothing |
| 16:28.12 | themill | (nfc why that's not the default... but it's not in any terminal emulator) |
| 16:28.13 | PatrickBatman | yet debuild fails and reports missing source deps |
| 16:28.25 | PatrickBatman | but debuild doesn't try to install them |
| 16:29.03 | PatrickBatman | and apt-get build-deps assumes there is existing information about the package in the binary index |
| 16:29.09 | PatrickBatman | the only info I have at this stage in the process is the build deps in debian/control |
| 16:29.13 | themill | PatrickBatman: are you specifying what program to use for pbuildersatisfydepends? (you normally don't need that option, it's for changing the default) |
| 16:29.29 | PatrickBatman | wha? perhaps I read the manpage wrong. brb. |
| 16:29.43 | izua | what does -ls do? |
| 16:30.05 | themill | izua: starts a "login shell" so that your .bash_profile is actually used |
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| 16:31.28 | valdyn | izua: do you really want to do it when bash starts up or really when you log in? |
| 16:32.05 | valdyn | Absolute0: thats a silly idea to try |
| 16:32.24 | at0m | hi, pc refuses boot after apt-get update... i remember it updated grub, and i didn't update to 2.6.26-2. Now after grub, when "Booting the kernel.", pc wants to bring up eth0 immediately. "IP-config: no response after 180 ses - giving up" |
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| 16:32.51 | smacnay | Not so much debian-related, but which would be a preferred method of sharing a calendar without great hassle? gmail? Or publish to some webdav server? |
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| 16:32.56 | at0m | then "/init: .: line 202: can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf" then Kernel panic :z |
| 16:33.07 | valdyn | smacnay: preferred by who? |
| 16:33.22 | valdyn | smacnay: gmail is most certainly one of the easiest methods to set this up |
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| 16:33.33 | zinx | resists !best'ing smacnay |
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| 16:33.41 | PatrickBatman | argh! not pdebuild is reverting to debuild behaivior and exiting on missing depends |
| 16:33.44 | valdyn | smacnay: or gnome calendar even, thats not gmail |
| 16:33.45 | PatrickBatman | s/not/now |
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| 16:33.56 | valdyn | smacnay: or *google* calendar even, thats not gmail |
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| 16:34.03 | at0m | anyone happen to have an idea on my kernel panic? |
| 16:34.09 | smacnay | valdyn: thanks - is it easier to input to gmail calendar or to another app/file and update to gmail? |
| 16:34.12 | PatrickBatman | # pdebuild --debbuildopts -us -uc |
| 16:34.13 | PatrickBatman | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: yasm libgpac-dev quilt libx11-dev |
| 16:34.25 | valdyn | smacnay: do it all in gmail |
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| 16:34.35 | smacnay | valdyn: I did mean google calendar... |
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| 16:34.40 | valdyn | smacnay: me t oo |
| 16:34.42 | valdyn | smacnay: me too |
| 16:34.43 | smacnay | valdyn: thanks for the help |
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| 16:35.25 | valdyn | smacnay: your favourite calendaring application can probably made to sync with google calendar anyway, or your mobile phone or whatever |
| 16:35.43 | smacnay | valdyn: I find myself using evolution a lot |
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| 16:37.27 | izua | oookay.. |
| 16:37.33 | izua | but it doesn't work for screen sessions.. |
| 16:37.44 | izua | screen needs bash -ls too somehow? |
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| 16:38.55 | themill | izua: screen is just another terminal emulator and so doesn't create a login shell by default so your profile is not used |
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| 16:40.41 | Moofius- | how to install packages from the experimental package-repository? |
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| 16:42.00 | sylar | what packages should I use with DRBD primary/primary ? |
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| 16:44.13 | anoHito | i am having a question,in debian ,how do i raise open_files_limit for mysql ? |
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| 16:45.40 | anoHito | i run unlimit -n,it says 1024 |
| 16:45.44 | hepta | hello, is it possible to make /dev/udp and /dev/tcp (the bash feature) work in debian? |
| 16:46.00 | anoHito | but i need to set it a higher humber for open_files_limit |
| 16:46.08 | PatrickBatman | anoHito: /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 16:46.18 | hepta | or is there some 'work around' to fake this stuff? |
| 16:46.27 | PatrickBatman | anoHito: documented in the comments |
| 16:46.34 | asg | hepta: netcat is your friend |
| 16:46.50 | hepta | asg: yes it is. |
| 16:47.02 | izua | themill: so is it possible to configure it to create a new shell for each screen? |
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| 16:47.28 | bbelt16ag | ahhh my brain is fried. |
| 16:47.31 | cnu | how do i update my udev on debian-testing? i tested this local root exploit and it worked :/ |
| 16:47.34 | bbelt16ag | sql sucks. |
| 16:48.16 | hepta | sql is a declarative language |
| 16:48.21 | hepta | .. almost |
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| 16:48.38 | asg | hepta: from the README.Debian.gz file: 9. Why is bash configured with --disable-net-redirections? It can produce completely unexpected results. This kind of feature should not be part of a shell but a special tool. And that tool has existed for years already, it's called netcat. |
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| 16:49.13 | PatrickBatman | SELECT suck FROM sql WHERE suck IS TRUE; |
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| 16:49.21 | anoHito | hmmm |
| 16:49.21 | hepta | ok. maybe a nice choise |
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| 16:49.50 | anoHito | PatrickBatman, but the google says something to do with ulimit -n ? |
| 16:50.02 | PatrickBatman | anoHito: you can do that too |
| 16:50.07 | PatrickBatman | but limits.conf is easier |
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| 16:50.22 | PatrickBatman | ulimit will let you interactively get/set limits from a shell |
| 16:50.27 | PatrickBatman | but it only sticks around for that shell |
| 16:50.35 | PatrickBatman | also check /etc/pam.d/ |
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| 16:50.45 | zer0c00l | hi i just installed debian, during the installation it asked me to give some firmware (iwlwifi) , so i installed it using usb disk, but after logging into my system i am not able to see any wireless networks |
| 16:50.46 | anoHito | hi PatrickBatman , so after a reboot,it will go back to default ? |
| 16:50.49 | zer0c00l | ifconfig -a |
| 16:50.55 | zer0c00l | shows the wlan0 |
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| 16:51.12 | PatrickBatman | anoHito: not if you put it in limits.conf |
| 16:52.03 | zer0c00l | but in network manager wireless is disabled (i cant enable it), also ifup wlan0 fails |
| 16:52.03 | PatrickBatman | anoHito: you need to add the limits PAM module to the common-session to see your new limits in an SSH session. |
| 16:52.22 | anoHito | PatrickBatman, would you tell me where in that file i should set it to ? |
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| 16:53.07 | PatrickBatman | anoHito: /etc/pam.d/ |
| 16:54.00 | anoHito | session required pam_unix.so |
| 16:54.10 | PatrickBatman | that's the one |
| 16:54.25 | anoHito | yeah i have that one in the file.hmm |
| 16:54.30 | PatrickBatman | I believe it's called pam_limits.so |
| 16:54.37 | PatrickBatman | but you should reference that yourself |
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| 16:56.24 | sylar | anyone use drbd? |
| 16:57.02 | anoHito | PatrickBatman, i am wondering if we are talking about the same topic though. |
| 16:57.24 | anoHito | I just need to raise the open_files_limits for mysql |
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| 16:57.35 | PatrickBatman | probably, since I had to do the exact same thing to let the Erlang VM have more open files |
| 16:58.09 | anoHito | PatrickBatman, anyway thanks. let me search. |
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| 16:58.55 | twinkie_addict | hi |
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| 17:04.07 | coldboot | In a postinst script, is there a way to get the path of the .deb file that just got installed? |
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| 17:16.43 | cps0 | themill: you were right, after removing splashy the update process continued and worked without problem |
| 17:16.59 | themill | !win me |
| 17:17.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 17:17.16 | cps0 | isn' t safe use splashy anymore? |
| 17:17.27 | theuser1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:18.19 | zinx | theuser1: depends on the systems you're connecting and what you mean by better |
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| 17:18.31 | themill | cps0: the version of splashy in sid apparently fixes that problem |
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| 17:19.10 | cps0 | but i'm using sid |
| 17:19.34 | theuser1 | zinx: speed quality |
| 17:19.36 | cps0 | themil: so after upgrading it is safe installing splashy again? |
| 17:19.46 | theuser1 | zinx: multi platform |
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| 17:20.16 | zinx | theuser1: pick two |
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| 17:20.50 | corecode | hey |
| 17:21.07 | corecode | which protocols can debian-installer use to fetch preseed configs? |
| 17:21.13 | theuser1 | zinx: windows xp pro . kubuntu |
| 17:21.29 | anddam | I can't understand this, calibre depends on calibre-bin, calibre-bin depends on calibre |
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| 17:21.45 | anddam | should I install both .deb on the same line? |
| 17:21.47 | wamty | in debian, does firefox default to -no-remote ? |
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| 17:21.55 | themill | cps0: you had the old version of splashy installed though. Are you sure you have sufficient knowledge of debian to be using sid? You'd better be a fast learner if you keep on with this game... |
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| 17:22.27 | themill | wamty: tias! |
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| 17:25.09 | cps0 | themill: I think I have enough knowledge of linux to continue this game, maybe I only need better know more about some specific debian details, i' ll run for this |
| 17:25.19 | cps0 | themill: thanks for you help |
| 17:26.10 | themill | cps0: good luck with it! You might want to have a read over the apt howto and investigate how packages are migrated through the debian releases to understand why you were running sid but had old versions of splashy installed. |
| 17:27.41 | Moofius- | can I do "sudo rm -r /var/log/*" witout anything crashing, /var/log is getting BIG |
| 17:28.40 | asg | Moofius-: you can safely remove anything ending in *.gz. You may want to tweak /etc/logrotate* to reduce the amount of logs being saved if space is tight. |
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| 17:31.55 | Moofius- | asg: thanks, cut some gb from the folder ^^ |
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| 17:32.07 | alex1 | debian forum was hacked ? |
| 17:32.15 | asg | Moofius-: you're welcome |
| 17:33.02 | abrotman | why do people keep asking that? |
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| 17:34.26 | alex1 | abrotman: just because i get from their spam to warez forum |
| 17:34.39 | abrotman | maybe it's uh .. spam ? |
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| 17:35.07 | anddam | is there a way to monitor using, MAC or IP address, what computers are connected to wifi? I use debian box to route my wifi network |
| 17:35.28 | coldboot | Is there a way to get the path of the current debian file from a postinst or similar script? |
| 17:35.35 | valdyn | anddam: tcpdump |
| 17:35.42 | mosty | anddam, arpwatch |
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| 17:36.03 | asg | anddam: and the dhcp log (if you are handing out addresses) |
| 17:36.11 | valdyn | coldboot: that would be fucked up |
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| 17:36.16 | anddam | asg: I'm not |
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| 17:36.24 | coldboot | valdyn: Why? |
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| 17:36.40 | asg | anddam: then the previous responses would suffice |
| 17:36.41 | valdyn | coldboot: layering violation |
| 17:36.45 | coldboot | valdyn: Oh I guess it's a security hazard as well. |
| 17:36.46 | anddam | arpwatch seems to be it |
| 17:37.10 | anddam | I need to be on WEP and I found my wifi network extending way too far |
| 17:37.49 | pbn | Hi on a Debian Lenny server I got a kernel 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 18:08:45 UTC 2009 but in aptitude I see there is a newer kernel linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 ... should I aptitude install that newer kernel ? |
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| 17:38.06 | anddam | bye |
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| 17:39.36 | mikejw_ | can someone please help me work out how I get ffmpeg working with libx264 on Lenny? |
| 17:39.57 | patrikf | mikejw_: just tell the channel where you're stuck |
| 17:40.50 | mikejw_ | sorry I don't use debian that much |
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| 17:41.15 | mikejw_ | the default ffmpeg package hasn't been built with that library enabled... |
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| 17:41.26 | asg | pbn: yes, it will contain security fixues |
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| 17:41.51 | asg | *fixes |
| 17:41.57 | mikejw_ | so I'm assuming I need to use this: http://code.google.com/p/debian-ffmpeg-installer/ |
| 17:42.00 | mikejw_ | ? |
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| 17:42.47 | mosty | mikejw_, what about using www.debian-multimedia.org ? |
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| 17:45.00 | mikejw_ | that way I can get both the library and ffmpeg installed.. |
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| 17:45.28 | mikejw_ | however then I get a unnrecognised symbol error from php-ffmpeg |
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| 17:50.24 | PatrickBatman | mikejw_: if you don't need to distribute it, it's actually simpler to compile ffmpeg from source, IMO |
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| 17:51.57 | mikejw_ | PatrickBatman, sorry if this a silly question but does it matter which --prefix is used in that case? |
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| 17:52.47 | cognitiaclaeves | Can someone explain the meaning of the green and red shading of the packages here: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/ejabberd ... |
| 17:53.29 | module000 | cognitiaclaeves: are the red ones backports? |
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| 17:53.44 | cognitiaclaeves | I believe they all are backports. |
| 17:53.45 | ranix | probably depends vs suggests? |
| 17:53.58 | ranix | I don't have a graphical browser so I can't say definitively |
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| 17:54.23 | cognitiaclaeves | ranix: Will , the green are the 2.0.5 entries. |
| 17:54.40 | dustybin | where is a offical place to grab a debian tshirt for the summer |
| 17:54.42 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm hoping someone knows WHY some are green and some are red. |
| 17:54.51 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: which ones are out of date .. notice the version differences? |
| 17:55.03 | abrotman | dustybin: probably some at cafepress |
| 17:55.10 | dustybin | ok :-) |
| 17:55.15 | ranix | I gotta get some of those |
| 17:55.17 | cognitiaclaeves | yes, abrotman... but WHY isn't 2.0.5 available for i386? |
| 17:55.25 | ranix | my perl t-shirt is getting old |
| 17:55.32 | cognitiaclaeves | I was hoping a 'key' would explain the 'why' .... |
| 17:55.33 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: the build didn't work? no idea |
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| 17:55.35 | ranix | it's time for an awk shirt |
| 17:55.41 | PatrickBatman | mikejw_: that's your call. I use /usr/local for stuff outside debian |
| 17:55.44 | OpenTokix | ranix: you don't change t-shirt until it falls off by itself? |
| 17:55.48 | hifi | anyone else having input crash problems with xorg 1.6? |
| 17:55.49 | asg | ranix: or an ed shirt |
| 17:55.52 | asg | !be ed |
| 17:55.52 | dpkg | ? |
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| 17:56.17 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: i'm not sure if the buildd for bpo is separate or not .. i don't see logs for it |
| 17:56.27 | ranix | I started using debian because I liked the logo :( |
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| 17:56.51 | cognitiaclaeves | abrotman: buildd bpo? |
| 17:56.55 | dustybin | shame about the reverse: http://t-shirts.cafepress.com/item/white-tshirt/1249159 |
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| 17:57.11 | dustybin | it should say aptitude get into it |
| 17:57.20 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: backports.org .. buildd |
| 17:57.26 | mikejw_ | ok for the record http://code.google.com/p/debian-ffmpeg-installer seems to work fine I wasn't doing the right step |
| 17:57.36 | mikejw_ | s/right/last/ |
| 17:58.00 | abrotman | !tell mikejw_ about dmm |
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| 17:58.56 | cognitiaclaeves | abrotman: This isn't it?: http://buildd.ayous.org/fetch.php?&pkg=ejabberd&ver=2.0.5-1~bpo50%2B1&arch=i386&stamp=1240228095&file=log&as=raw |
| 17:59.37 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: seems to have built fine .. from what i can tell |
| 18:00.42 | mikejw_ | dmm? |
| 18:00.56 | PatrickBatman | mikejw_: watch out for that combo of ffmpeg/lame/x264. Version conflicts and regressions are par for the course |
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| 18:02.14 | mikejw_ | PatrickBatman, thanks for the warning :) |
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| 18:04.53 | cognitiaclaeves | abrotman: sanity check ... http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/ejabberd.html <-- does that mean that it hit testing just yesterday? |
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| 18:06.28 | ultraj6 | i wish localhost was called lolhost |
| 18:06.56 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: yes |
| 18:07.38 | cognitiaclaeves | Is there an easy way to determine when it can be installed from the backports repo? |
| 18:07.45 | cognitiaclaeves | nix that... |
| 18:07.52 | cognitiaclaeves | to be notified when it can be installed... |
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| 18:12.07 | jetpda | wheeeeeeee |
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| 18:13.48 | ross` | excuse me, what package/repository do i use to get flash for my browser firefox 3.x |
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| 18:14.16 | jetpda | !non-free |
| 18:14.17 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 18:14.28 | jetpda | !contrib |
| 18:14.28 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [etch|lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 18:14.38 | jetpda | those ... and ... |
| 18:14.43 | jetpda | !dmm |
| 18:14.44 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 18:15.23 | ross` | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 18:15.23 | ross` | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 18:15.25 | ross` | like so?> |
| 18:15.30 | jetpda | yeah |
| 18:15.38 | ross` | ok |
| 18:15.42 | ross` | and then what package |
| 18:15.59 | jetpda | well I dunno about the -src |
| 18:16.13 | ross` | ;0 |
| 18:16.25 | jetpda | apg get update apt cache search |
| 18:16.31 | ross` | i did that |
| 18:16.32 | ross` | ;p |
| 18:16.33 | jetpda | - |
| 18:16.36 | ross` | i've been using search |
| 18:17.19 | jetpda | apt-cache search flash :grep plugin I think |
| 18:17.33 | jetpda | no pipe... pda |
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| 18:17.59 | jetpda | the -src is source |
| 18:18.22 | mmind | flashplugin-nonfree is what you're looking for |
| 18:18.23 | jetpda | just deb for the packages |
| 18:18.31 | ross` | ok,oh ok |
| 18:18.36 | ross` | i just got swfdec-mozilla |
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| 18:19.51 | M3 | hi all |
| 18:19.52 | ross` | yea |
| 18:19.54 | ross` | what repo |
| 18:19.58 | ross` | for flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:20.03 | ross` | its not in non-free |
| 18:20.04 | ross` | ;0 |
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| 18:20.33 | asg | ross`: it's in contrib |
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| 18:20.48 | M3 | what gui package manager is included in the debian 5.0 xfce+lxde cd? |
| 18:21.04 | ross` | asg: i have that in the deb too |
| 18:21.07 | ross` | would being x64 matter |
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| 18:21.22 | asg | ross`: possibly, I'm not sure though |
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| 18:22.24 | module000 | M3: you can install synaptic if you need a GUI front-end to apt |
| 18:22.30 | ross` | i have stable main contrib and non-free |
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| 18:22.51 | ross` | it doesnt have it :( |
| 18:23.15 | asg | judd, versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:23.15 | judd | asg: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.5 sid/contrib: 1:2.6 |
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| 18:23.42 | ross` | then |
| 18:23.56 | ross` | why cant i apt-get install it |
| 18:23.56 | ross` | ? |
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| 18:24.55 | ross` | why isnt it there |
| 18:24.58 | ross` | is it because i have x64? |
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| 18:26.28 | amphi | ross`: doesn't dmm have 64bit flash? |
| 18:26.38 | ross` | what repository do i add then |
| 18:26.39 | ross` | ? |
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| 18:27.31 | ross` | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:27.34 | ross` | taht lists it in x64 |
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| 18:29.23 | ross` | zzz! |
| 18:29.27 | ross` | this is pisssssing me off |
| 18:29.55 | ross` | i downloaded this: http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/contrib/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_2.5~bpo50+1_amd64.deb and then did dpkg -i that file |
| 18:29.58 | ross` | it seemed to work |
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| 18:30.03 | ross` | but i cant play flash :( |
| 18:30.10 | PatrickBatman | if I add both i386 and amd64 packages to a single APT server will the clients determine which debs to install automaticly? |
| 18:30.14 | ranix | ross`: you aren't missing much |
| 18:30.28 | ross` | ranix: ?? |
| 18:30.35 | ross` | ranix: what do you mean im not missing much |
| 18:30.39 | ranix | ross`: punch the monkey, win a prize |
| 18:30.46 | jamon | PatrickBatman: i don't understand, are you pulling from server or creating the server? |
| 18:31.10 | adama_ | PatrickBatman: yes |
| 18:31.22 | ranix | the best ad I saw was "throw the shoe at the President, win $40 in coupons!" |
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| 18:31.31 | ross` | can someone just tell me how do do this ;0 |
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| 18:31.50 | PatrickBatman | adama_: thanks |
| 18:31.55 | PatrickBatman | jamon: I'm creating the server |
| 18:32.08 | jamon | ah, in that case, no idea |
| 18:32.10 | adama_ | ross` : the best way is to go to admobe's website and install the tar thing they distribute. |
| 18:32.19 | adama_ | adobe |
| 18:32.22 | ross` | adama_: doesnt work |
| 18:32.26 | ross` | they dont offer x64 |
| 18:32.28 | ranix | ross`: did you try apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla? |
| 18:32.29 | ross` | i tried that already |
| 18:32.37 | ranix | or is that not in the x64 repo |
| 18:32.38 | ross` | ranix: what repository? |
| 18:32.46 | ranix | apt-cache search flash |
| 18:32.52 | ranix | anything useful? |
| 18:32.53 | ross` | ranix: i ran that liek 4 times |
| 18:32.55 | ross` | nothing useful |
| 18:32.57 | ranix | I use main, contrib, non-free |
| 18:33.02 | ranix | for Lenny |
| 18:33.07 | ross` | bah |
| 18:33.18 | ranix | just get the 32-bit flash player |
| 18:33.23 | PatrickBatman | flash: the best of the worst |
| 18:33.23 | ranix | does it malfunction in x64? |
| 18:33.31 | adama_ | try swfdec-mozilla ? |
| 18:33.39 | PatrickBatman | I downgraded my work laptop to 32 bit exclusively for Flash |
| 18:33.47 | ross` | adama_: i tried that |
| 18:33.47 | ranix | ugh! |
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| 18:33.56 | ranix | PatrickBatman: the power of Christ compels you! |
| 18:34.03 | ranix | exorcizes PatrickBatman |
| 18:34.06 | PatrickBatman | Sweet Jesus, take me away! |
| 18:34.13 | ross` | so are you all saying flash x64 doesnt work |
| 18:34.30 | PatrickBatman | thus is the life of a web application job |
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| 18:34.50 | PatrickBatman | ross`: it /might/ work, but in my experience it was..."difficult" |
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| 18:35.06 | ranix | I have heard 32-bit packages work properly in x64 |
| 18:35.15 | ranix | I have also heard flash doesn't work in x64 |
| 18:35.22 | PatrickBatman | I have no idea. I got it to "just work" and quickly forgot the whole process |
| 18:35.32 | PatrickBatman | it defied any kind of logic |
| 18:35.43 | ranix | oh, like Nvidia/FGLRX |
| 18:35.54 | ranix | understands entirely. |
| 18:35.57 | PatrickBatman | ross`: there's also a binary package you can get from Adobe |
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| 18:36.25 | ranix | ross`: the adobe website should understand the iceweasel useragent string and show you the correct download for you |
| 18:36.28 | simeon | hi all, I've recently upgraded a box to lenny and now the screen blanks after a period while I watch movies with xine, any clues about where to start looking? |
| 18:36.31 | ross` | PatrickBatman: thats only x86 |
| 18:36.37 | ross` | PatrickBatman: not x86_64 |
| 18:36.40 | ross` | i already downloaded it and tried |
| 18:36.47 | ross` | it says does not support x86_65 |
| 18:36.50 | ross` | it says does not support x86_64* |
| 18:36.53 | PatrickBatman | ross`: see then, Adobe doesn't want you meddling with their precious, precious bits |
| 18:37.01 | ranix | call them and tell them off |
| 18:37.06 | PatrickBatman | COMPLIANCE IS MANDITORY |
| 18:37.10 | ranix | tell them you are going to switch to Silverlight |
| 18:37.15 | ross` | ;0 |
| 18:37.21 | ranix | lol's. |
| 18:37.28 | ross` | admits to duel booting windows |
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| 18:37.31 | ross` | this is my laptop |
| 18:37.34 | PatrickBatman | would that be the day. I can watch netflix at work :) |
| 18:37.34 | ross` | i need windwos at school |
| 18:37.41 | ranix | I am imagining Debian and Windows dueling |
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| 18:37.56 | PatrickBatman | that'd be a boring fight |
| 18:37.57 | ross` | i mainly use lenny tho |
| 18:38.04 | ross` | lenny for everything but some gaming |
| 18:38.07 | ross` | and school applications |
| 18:38.19 | blank_ | ross`: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ |
| 18:38.40 | ranix | Debian: "My name is Inigo Montoya!" |
| 18:38.48 | PatrickBatman | heh, "technologies". that's an overstatement. |
| 18:39.54 | ross` | thats what that other thing i linked downloaded |
| 18:39.57 | ross` | and *said* it installed |
| 18:40.11 | ross` | 2009-04-21 14:28:28 (554 KB/s) - `./libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz' saved [3729613/3729613] |
| 18:40.38 | ross` | thats when i manually installed x64 flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 18:40.41 | ross` | from the debian website |
| 18:40.48 | ross` | and ran dpkg -i on it |
| 18:41.18 | osfd__ | do you know a channel talking about LEGAL video streaming please |
| 18:41.25 | ross` | Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player. |
| 18:41.30 | osfd__ | out of the US |
| 18:41.30 | ross` | thats what youtube says |
| 18:41.35 | ranix | osfd__: legal, or "legal" |
| 18:41.36 | blank_ | just put the file from adobe tar in ./mozilla/plugins |
| 18:41.38 | osfd__ | ross`: no |
| 18:42.18 | blank_ | libflashplayer.so |
| 18:42.20 | osfd__ | ranix: I mean legally legal as defined by the law |
| 18:42.20 | ranix | I heard Joost was getting a linux client |
| 18:42.27 | ranix | osfd__: whose law |
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| 18:42.40 | ranix | osfd__: it is illegal in Japan for me to watch subtitled anime |
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| 18:42.47 | ranix | osfd__: it is less illegal in the United States |
| 18:42.52 | osfd__ | ranix: corporate major |
| 18:43.02 | osfd__ | ranix: damn, you know what I'm talking about |
| 18:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | " legally legal as defined by the law"... |
| 18:43.14 | ranix | osfd__: illegal / prohibited by law pick one |
| 18:43.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders how it can be illegally legal |
| 18:43.37 | PatrickBatman | face it, theora's dead. just stick with Hulu and Flash |
| 18:43.40 | ross` | this is lame |
| 18:43.40 | ross` | =/ |
| 18:43.44 | ross` | no matter what i do it wont work |
| 18:43.46 | ranix | just use usenet |
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| 18:43.52 | ranix | and mplayer |
| 18:43.58 | PatrickBatman | gasp! |
| 18:44.00 | ross` | ;0 |
| 18:44.02 | ross` | mplauer |
| 18:44.03 | ross` | yay |
| 18:44.05 | ross` | i <3 mplayer |
| 18:44.16 | ranix | mplayer can decode swfs iirc |
| 18:44.18 | ross` | mplayer -loop 0 Mad\ World.mp3 |
| 18:44.19 | ross` | < |
| 18:44.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
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| 18:44.37 | PatrickBatman | don't listen to those crazy hungarians and their ff-mpeg softwares. they have a bad attitude |
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| 18:44.52 | ross` | apt-get install virgins |
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| 18:45.09 | ross` | dpkg-reconfigure condom |
| 18:45.16 | PatrickBatman | you jest, but this is real `apt-get install anarchism` |
| 18:45.28 | ross` | ps aux|grep erection |
| 18:45.35 | PatrickBatman | at least I hope it still is real |
| 18:45.40 | cahoot | no ops around? |
| 18:45.48 | dkr | it's very #debian-offtopic in here today |
| 18:45.57 | twinkie_addict | vlc is nice to |
| 18:46.07 | ranix | vls has been going downhill for some years |
| 18:46.08 | ross` | very lovable code |
| 18:46.24 | ranix | s/s/c/ |
| 18:46.30 | ross` | they have a good amount of media drivers pre installed |
| 18:46.35 | mahfiaz | how can installer-package sublevel1 translation be tested? |
| 18:46.38 | ross` | oh i GTG get on my BUS |
| 18:46.41 | ross` | ttyl |
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| 18:46.47 | ranix | ttfn |
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| 18:48.51 | kaje | Apt tells me I need to update some packages. How can I (from the command line) read the details of the updates before I actually install them? |
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| 18:49.07 | wamty | ok, created in /etc/cron.allow, whats the symtax for adding a user to that file ? |
| 18:49.17 | twinkie_addict | ive been playing with lxde and i have to say i love it :) |
| 18:49.20 | wamty | then I did echo root > /etc/cron.allow |
| 18:49.29 | wamty | the dummy comand is still not working |
| 18:49.44 | ranix | might need to restart cron |
| 18:49.58 | wamty | what Im trying to do is dummy command to execute every * 20 *** root /bin/echo "test" >> /tmp/crontesting |
| 18:50.48 | PatrickBatman | kaje: apt-listchanges |
| 18:50.53 | wamty | anyone? |
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| 18:51.07 | wamty | when I go to System - Administration - Services, |
| 18:51.10 | wamty | cron is not there |
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| 18:51.35 | jetpda | wheeeeeee |
| 18:51.39 | ranix | wamty: ach what is that |
| 18:51.44 | ranix | wamty: /etc/init.d/cron restart |
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| 18:51.55 | ranix | wamty: stop using your mouse, it is wrong |
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| 18:52.17 | ranix | wamty: if you attempt to perform an administrative task with your mouse, you are not doing it correctly |
| 18:52.22 | wamty | why isnt it there ranix ? |
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| 18:52.28 | kaje | Thanks PatrickBatman |
| 18:52.40 | jetpda | mice are evil! |
| 18:52.46 | twinkie_addict | i realy like debian , i was afraid to to try it for so long ubuntu gave me a bad tast in my mouth and slackware was allways reliable , im glad i decided to give debian a try i think i finaly found the perfect distro for me |
| 18:52.51 | wamty | lemme try |
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| 18:53.22 | ranix | twinkie_addict: I'm glad it tasts good to you |
| 18:53.26 | wamty | however, why cant i see it listed there? |
| 18:53.43 | ranix | wamty: because where you are looking is wrong, for any sort of anything |
| 18:54.12 | wamty | ok I did it |
| 18:54.13 | ranix | wamty: that whole menu was made by some crazy "year of the linux desktop" foaming-at-the-mouth man with some kind of evangelist agenda |
| 18:54.13 | wamty | didnt work |
| 18:54.16 | PatrickBatman | wamty: what they meant to say is this: `crontab -l` |
| 18:54.27 | PatrickBatman | if you see stuff, good. if you don't, `crontab -e` |
| 18:54.54 | wamty | well my cron dummy isnt working |
| 18:55.01 | twinkie_addict | i find it hhard to even believe ubuntu was based on debian they feel and act nothing alike save for maby apt lol |
| 18:55.05 | jetpda | holy patshit batman! |
| 18:55.06 | wamty | I created in /etc/cron.allow |
| 18:55.06 | PatrickBatman | who you calling dummy? |
| 18:55.16 | ranix | twinkie_addict: that belongs more in #debian-offtopic |
| 18:55.27 | twinkie_addict | ok sorry |
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| 18:55.29 | jlaw | twinkie_addict, one week ago i would have agreed (using debian for years), but currently i'm having a look at pcbsd ;) |
| 18:55.33 | PatrickBatman | we all love Debian, that's why were are here |
| 18:55.36 | wamty | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.49 | ranix | (apt-get remove cron) |
| 18:56.00 | wamty | hmm? |
| 18:56.04 | jetpda | don't think so |
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| 18:56.24 | twinkie_addict | pcbsd is good :) i like the pbi thing |
| 18:56.30 | jetpda | !depends anacron |
| 18:56.41 | wamty | what do you suggest I do? |
| 18:56.51 | twinkie_addict | ill move to off topic for this talk though sorry again guys |
| 18:56.53 | ranix | wamty: man cron |
| 18:56.57 | jetpda | !cron |
| 18:56.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cron is a daemon that allows programs to be run at predefined intervals as specific users. To read how to specify a job to run "man 5 crontab". To see your crontab "crontab -l". To edit it "crontab -e". System wide crontabs are /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d, and /etc/cron.* are directories have run-parts called on them from /etc/crontab. Also ask me about <crontab> <cron tutorial> and <run-parts>. |
| 18:57.00 | ranix | more specifically, crontab |
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| 18:58.15 | jetpda | dpkg is slow |
| 18:58.15 | dpkg | wish i knew, jetpda |
| 18:58.28 | kaje | I can't see how to use apt-listchanges... The man page is ambiguous and is missing any examples... |
| 18:58.49 | ranix | jetpda: when I cannot ping google, I think my internet connection is down |
| 18:58.57 | jetpda | it just works when you upgrade |
| 18:59.40 | wamty | well.. /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
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| 19:09.52 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm running lenny on 2 boxes here and I'm using one (with decent sized screen &kbd) to ssh-X in to other (eeepc). Is their any way to transfer a running x session or just application from the ssh-x session onto the native screen & kbd? |
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| 19:10.43 | PatrickBatman | jpinx-eeepc: move a running program from one host to another while maintaining contents of RAM? |
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| 19:11.12 | jpinx-eeepc | yea |
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| 19:11.33 | PatrickBatman | that's a bit magical |
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| 19:11.48 | jpinx-eeepc | that's why I'm asking;) |
| 19:12.00 | PatrickBatman | you might need your application written in Erlang to pull that off |
| 19:12.13 | jpinx-eeepc | :-/ |
| 19:12.21 | PatrickBatman | there's probably some crazy emacs shit you can do like that too |
| 19:12.25 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: not really. I think you can do it with xnest, and xmove used to be the way you did it |
| 19:12.28 | jpinx-eeepc | googles erlang |
| 19:12.29 | PatrickBatman | but for any executable, no. |
| 19:13.07 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: basically, the application stays running on one machine, talking to an intermediate X server (xmove or xnest) and then the output of xnest/xmove are transitioned to the other machine you're running. |
| 19:13.24 | PatrickBatman | ah, right. you can run all the apps on one machine. brilliant! |
| 19:14.04 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - If I open a browwser (for example) in the ssh-x I would like to transfer it to the native box and disconnect the ssh-x session |
| 19:14.30 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, xnest or xmove is what you're looking for. |
| 19:14.50 | jpinx-eeepc | basically so that I can keep things running and logout the ssh-x session |
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| 19:14.59 | jpinx-eeepc | cool - thanks dondelelcaro :) |
| 19:15.06 | jpinx-eeepc | goes reading |
| 19:17.43 | jpinx-eeepc | cool - there's an xcopy as well - interesting |
| 19:19.04 | mahfiaz | how can installer-package sublevel1 translation be tested? |
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| 19:30.05 | jpinx-eeepc | bugger - xmove isn't in lenny |
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| 19:31.25 | yowlst | hi, how can i change values reported in e.g: /proc/12xx/limits ? |
| 19:31.46 | Kobaz | yowlst: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 19:32.24 | yowlst | Kobaz, yes but avtually it doesnt like this for the apache processes |
| 19:32.39 | yowlst | because they dont change |
| 19:33.01 | Kobaz | mmm |
| 19:33.24 | jpinx-eeepc | how does a package skip being in lenny & squeeze? xmove was in etch and is in sid. |
| 19:33.42 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: abandoned in between? check the pts stuff |
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| 19:33.59 | jpinx-eeepc | pts? |
| 19:34.02 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: uhm .. it's only in m68k sid |
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| 19:34.45 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486772 |
| 19:35.02 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: blame bzed :) |
| 19:35.04 | Manoj | if a package is buggy it can be removed from testing (which became lenny, and now squeeze), but remain in Sid |
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| 19:35.49 | jpinx-eeepc | ah - ok - thanks - looking at the list of alternates now |
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| 19:36.59 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: xmove has actually been totally removed; it's only in oldstable. [It was unmaintained, and needs some hacking to work in a secure fashion with what you were trying to do anyway] |
| 19:37.01 | yowlst | Kobaz, for example if i want to limit CPU time set of apache2, i put something like RLimitCPU in apache2.conf, reboot apache but in /proc/(pid apache son)/limit nothing is change |
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| 19:37.38 | Fox_1_ | people I need to count the traffic for one IP (up and down, all protocols and ports). how can I do that? is there any tools? |
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| 19:38.11 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: yea - I'm looking at xfm maybe |
| 19:38.58 | Fox_1_ | I's using iptraf (via filter), but it shows only the current session count |
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| 19:40.08 | bzed | abrotman: me? |
| 19:40.31 | abrotman | bzed: the bug above .. not your package (i don't think) .. you just put it up for adoption i guess |
| 19:40.40 | bzed | abrotman: exactly ;) |
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| 19:41.06 | bzed | abrotman: and barry asked for removal as nobody wanted to have it :) |
| 19:41.46 | mikejw_ | ok so the saga continues.. |
| 19:41.50 | jpinx-eeepc | teleport looks similar - is it? |
| 19:42.07 | mikejw_ | I manually built gd so I could build ffmpeg-php |
| 19:42.10 | abrotman | bzed: i've got a good mind to drive over and buy him a beer or something :) |
| 19:42.42 | mikejw_ | and now the native gd library for php seems to be corrupted |
| 19:43.08 | abrotman | bzed: (for reference, he lives 10-15 km from me) |
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| 19:43.20 | bzed | abrotman: oh cool, didn;t know that :) |
| 19:43.30 | TheSarge | Good day everyone. |
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| 19:44.06 | mquin | TheSarge: shouldn't you be TheLenny by now? |
| 19:44.18 | HellMind | is there any lenny kernel optimized for being vmware guest? |
| 19:45.24 | mikejw_ | I mean gd module |
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| 19:55.19 | JairoWins | hi |
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| 19:57.41 | ofmv | can anyone please tell me why debian is telling me i can run amd64 debian on a i686 laptop? |
| 19:58.01 | PatrickBatman | why would you want to do that? |
| 19:58.24 | ofmv | why is it telling me this? i dont know anything about this |
| 19:58.31 | PatrickBatman | ignorance is bliss |
| 19:58.42 | PatrickBatman | just install the i386 distro |
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| 19:58.50 | et | ofmv: what do you mean by "i686 laptop"? |
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| 19:59.03 | et | ofmv: which processor do you have there? |
| 19:59.06 | Pryon | Also, how is debian telling you this? |
| 19:59.10 | abrotman | ofmv: it's looking at your CPU and determining you can |
| 19:59.33 | PatrickBatman | ofmv: var /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:59.42 | PatrickBatman | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:59.48 | PatrickBatman | sorry. fingers on autopilot |
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| 20:01.08 | ofmv | abrotman: what does that mean? PatrikBatman: what? |
| 20:01.37 | PatrickBatman | type `cat /proc/cpuinfo` |
| 20:01.47 | PatrickBatman | that will tell you why your CPU is 64 bits |
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| 20:03.40 | ofmv | where does it say how many bits it is PatrikBatman? |
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| 20:04.25 | ofmv | PatrickBatman: |
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| 20:05.20 | PatrickBatman | heh. good question. I thought it did |
| 20:05.30 | mquin | g12 |
| 20:05.32 | ofmv | i see 64 |
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| 20:06.08 | ofmv | clflush size: 64 |
| 20:06.13 | the_sniff | cool_girl`fungir (n=Erros@88.243.64.100) spammed you [http://www.vide |
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| 20:06.25 | abrotman | ofmv: that doesn't mean anything |
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| 20:06.30 | the_sniff | is the P in munins Pbps means Peta byte? |
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| 20:07.06 | abrotman | ofmv: look at the flags |
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| 20:07.31 | ofmv | model name: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5300 @ 1.73GHz |
| 20:07.41 | abrotman | tha'ts 64bit capable |
| 20:07.44 | the_sniff | wtf |
| 20:07.52 | the_sniff | no way it's Pbps, there's no such connection in isrel |
| 20:07.53 | the_sniff | :| |
| 20:07.54 | the_sniff | israel |
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| 20:09.02 | ofmv | the whole time i thought this was a 32 bit system |
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| 20:09.47 | TheSarge | Is it all pros no cons using a 64bit kernel? |
| 20:09.49 | ofmv | the manufacturer told me it was 32 bit |
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| 20:10.05 | TheSarge | I have a 64bit proc but am scared to use a 64-bit kernel |
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| 20:10.07 | abrotman | the_sniff: petabit |
| 20:10.13 | the_sniff | that's not possible |
| 20:11.27 | abrotman | why not? |
| 20:11.27 | the_sniff | there's no such speed |
| 20:11.27 | the_sniff | and im seeing it on my munin logs |
| 20:11.27 | abrotman | that you know of! |
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| 20:11.27 | the_sniff | what? no such speed in israel! no way the ethernet controller supports that! |
| 20:11.27 | abrotman | maybe the data went backwards? |
| 20:11.41 | TheSarge | abrotman: Is it an easy transistion to a 64bit kernel, is it worth it? |
| 20:11.43 | the_sniff | im getting 400Pbps in and out! |
| 20:11.46 | the_sniff | unreal |
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| 20:13.21 | rerushg | no problem with Athlon64 here |
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| 20:14.24 | abrotman | TheSarge: that depends on what the system does |
| 20:14.53 | neosmatrix | someone knows which programm for kde4 I could use to to edit the partitions on a harddisk which is using a GPT-Partition table? |
| 20:15.01 | PatrickBatman | TheSarge: I'm not 64 bit on my laptop and it's working fine. I'm 64 bit on video encoders, working even better. |
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| 20:15.20 | module000 | neosmatrix: fdisk works regardless of your wm. |
| 20:15.43 | PatrickBatman | neosmatrix: cfdisk works the same way |
| 20:15.53 | slimjimflim | hi, anybody know what packages are needed to get the gd library running for php? |
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| 20:16.21 | neosmatrix | module000: fdisk does not deal with GPT Tables |
| 20:16.22 | module000 | slimjimflim: um, php5-gd? |
| 20:16.36 | cptblood | i just installed (well, i ran make && make install) no-ip client, does it run automatically now, or do i have to run it manually? |
| 20:16.36 | kampala | aptitude search gd | Less |
| 20:17.22 | slimjimflim | module000: drupal still isn't seeing it |
| 20:17.38 | the_sniff | abrotman: weird the farm says nothing like that happened lol |
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| 20:17.48 | slimjimflim | i also tried libgd2-xpm |
| 20:18.09 | neosmatrix | PatrickBatman: cfdisk ist only a frontend to fdisk, isn't it? |
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| 20:18.45 | cptblood | anyon? |
| 20:18.47 | cptblood | +e |
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| 20:20.26 | neosmatrix | does a kde4 gui for parted exists? |
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| 20:20.59 | kampala | slimjimflim, try to run phpinfo, and check if php knows about php-gd. if no, problem is with drupal |
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| 20:23.30 | NativeAngels | anyone else here know about diaspearing apps panel in debian lenny desktop |
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| 20:24.12 | neosmatrix | Someone knows how to see the programms, which currently are using the swap space? |
| 20:24.28 | slimjimflim | kampala: phpinfo doesn't see it |
| 20:24.51 | PatrickBatman | neosmatrix: top has good resource info |
| 20:25.37 | et | neosmatrix: why do you want to know that? |
| 20:25.46 | cptblood | trying to test/install roundcube webmail, but i am getting this error: |
| 20:25.52 | cptblood | Warning: require_once(rcube_shared.inc) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/installer/index.php on line 16 |
| 20:25.53 | cptblood | Fatal error: require_once() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'rcube_shared.inc' (include_path='/var/www/program/lib:/var/www/program:/var/www/program/include:.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /var/www/installer/index.php on line 16 |
| 20:26.08 | cptblood | anyone who knows what im missing to fix it? |
| 20:26.41 | PatrickBatman | you're missing a file called rcube_shared.inc |
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| 20:26.45 | cptblood | hmm |
| 20:26.55 | NativeAngels | has anyone here used the linux format for installing debian lenny |
| 20:27.45 | kampala | slimjimflim, ok, it s interesting. so did you already install php-gd? |
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| 20:27.53 | cptblood | cant find it in the package |
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| 20:28.49 | melik | hey guys i set up iptables to accept inbound/outbound connections on port 80, 21, and 22. but now i'm not able to connect to the debian repositories |
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| 20:28.58 | melik | which ports would i have to open to be able to? |
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| 20:29.29 | TheSarge | abrotman: Its pretty much just a desktop... will i see any speen increases? |
| 20:29.34 | TheSarge | speed |
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| 20:30.41 | NativeAngels | can anyone help me with apps panel |
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| 20:31.10 | yoshimit | Hello there! |
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| 20:31.30 | stdisease | yoshimit: hi |
| 20:31.32 | cytrak | Hi |
| 20:31.48 | yoshimit | Someone could give me a hand to build two or three NAT rules between virtual guest OS and host, please? thank you. |
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| 20:32.17 | cytrak | Has anyone here had issues installing lenny on a dl585 g2 |
| 20:32.50 | cytrak | The netinstall i386 works great but the amd64 does not |
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| 20:33.12 | neosmatrix | http://pastebin.com/m1496e2ae hmm, I don't understand swap space in top. 463MB in use but every process uses more than 200 and my ram is not full :) |
| 20:33.15 | deb-eater | cytrak: I havent tried it, did you search google before posing the question here? |
| 20:33.20 | OpenTokix | cytrak: what do the installer say? |
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| 20:33.32 | cytrak | I had to install etch amd64 and then do a dist-upgrade |
| 20:33.34 | NativeAngels | on intall the apps panel was there but after a reboot the apps panel disapeared and all im left with is the folders on the desk top |
| 20:33.46 | stdisease | neosmatrix: how did you figure everyprocess is using more than 200? |
| 20:33.55 | cytrak | Yes I have |
| 20:34.36 | deb-eater | Have you checked linuxquestions.org |
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| 20:35.02 | neosmatrix | stdisease: "286m" from the last command. The m does not stand for MB? |
| 20:35.09 | cptblood | how can i reset my mysql ? |
| 20:35.09 | esaym | I need to modify the source code of a module in the kernel. How do I do this? Just download the kernel source from: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 (linux-2.6_2.6.26.orig.tar.gz) and edit the module source and run make? That is what I did and the module gives me this error in dmeg when I try to load it: " it87: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module " |
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| 20:35.31 | cytrak | The dist upgrade worked fine and installed the bnx2 firmware for the broadcom nics |
| 20:35.35 | NativeAngels | can anyone help |
| 20:35.52 | neosmatrix | ups kb |
| 20:35.58 | jpinx-eeepc | can I install a man page for a pkg without the actual package? If yes, How? |
| 20:36.16 | streuner_ | no |
| 20:36.30 | streuner_ | why someone do such BS? |
| 20:36.44 | jpinx-eeepc | bummers - are all the man pages repeated on the internet anywhere? |
| 20:36.49 | OpenTokix | jpinx-eeepc: you can find manpages with google |
| 20:36.50 | cptblood | how can i reset user/pass in mysql ? |
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| 20:36.59 | simonrvn | jpinx-eeepc: yes |
| 20:37.04 | OpenTokix | jpinx-eeepc: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?make |
| 20:37.07 | streuner_ | just google for man-pages, there are plenty which just show your the man-page without any install |
| 20:37.09 | OpenTokix | jpinx-eeepc: example |
| 20:37.17 | jpinx-eeepc | streuner_: because I am seriously short of hdd space and need to review a package's usefulness |
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| 20:37.38 | streuner_ | jpinx-eeepc: look what OpenTokix gave you |
| 20:37.48 | cytrak | OpenTokix: It hangs when trying to find hardware for a while then it. Totally hang on the partition |
| 20:37.57 | jpinx-eeepc | OpenTokix: thanks:) |
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| 20:38.14 | cptblood | feels neglected |
| 20:38.14 | OpenTokix | cytrak: strange |
| 20:38.29 | OpenTokix | jpinx-eeepc: I would keep a very very close eye on logs on that machines, sounds bad |
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| 20:39.06 | cytrak | OpenTokix: it's very strange I have other dl 585. Which were upgraded from etch to lenny just fine |
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| 20:39.47 | cytrak | OpenTokix: also I have already changed the chassis of this one 4 times :( |
| 20:40.21 | jpinx-eeepc | OpenTokix: yea - thanks for the warning - it's an eeepc with 4Gb sd hdd and I'm trying some tricks on it:) |
| 20:40.24 | cytrak | So I gave up trying to use the lenny amd64 install |
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| 20:42.04 | deb-eater | What is the realse cycle for debian? |
| 20:42.21 | Supaplex | "WIR" |
| 20:42.21 | streuner_ | until hell freezes over |
| 20:42.21 | PatrickBatman | years |
| 20:42.41 | Supaplex | Christmas and Easter. |
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| 20:42.56 | streuner_ | if they fall together ;-) |
| 20:43.02 | cptblood | how can i reset user/pass in mysql ? |
| 20:43.16 | Supaplex | cptblood: that's faq 101. google: reset root password mysql |
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| 20:43.26 | Mood | is there a way to script a .bashrc file to do something (or not do something) if startx has already initiated? |
| 20:43.28 | cytrak | cptblood: try mysql Chanel |
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| 20:43.46 | wo_ow | oi |
| 20:43.53 | deb-eater | cytrak: #MYSQL |
| 20:44.06 | streuner_ | deb-eater: ask us a concret question, please -we dont know |
| 20:44.15 | Mood | i have a "startx" at the bottom of my .bashrc file, but when i start an xterm from fluxbox, it throws an error since i'm already in an x session |
| 20:44.20 | darkbulb | I thought debian had a package for dynamips but its not showing up in synaptic |
| 20:44.23 | Supaplex | Mood: perhaps... if [ x"$DISPLAY" = x ] ; then .... ; else .... ; fi |
| 20:44.33 | deb-eater | !squeeze |
| 20:44.33 | darkbulb | does anyone know the repo |
| 20:44.33 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the Xfce archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze |
| 20:44.46 | gravity | Mood: What you want is to have a .xsession file |
| 20:45.16 | gravity | Mood: Put whatever you want your X session to start, including your window manager or DE, in there. |
| 20:45.21 | streuner_ | deb-eater: lenny is just released, why do you ask anyway? |
| 20:45.29 | deb-eater | !repos | darkbulb |
| 20:45.33 | Mood | gravity: a-ha! ok, i think that'll do. thank you |
| 20:45.40 | gravity | Mood: Also, putting startx in your .bashrc is really weird |
| 20:45.50 | deb-eater | streuner_: Because I like to live on the edge of sanity |
| 20:46.06 | Mood | gravity: i wanted to just have startx right after i logged in -- i didn't know about .xsession until now |
| 20:46.33 | gravity | Mood: Why not use xdm/kdm/gdm/etc? |
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| 20:47.00 | deb-eater | Did every one hear what happened to forums.debian.net |
| 20:47.01 | Mood | gravity: i opted not to use gdm since i have a barebones system and wanted minimal footprint |
| 20:47.13 | gravity | Mood: xdm is very very light |
| 20:47.19 | cptblood | update user set password=PASSWORD(”newrootpassword”) <-- i guess im a dumbass, but where exactly do i type in my new pass? |
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| 20:47.25 | simonrvn | deb-eater: is this going to be hearsay or fact? |
| 20:47.32 | Mood | gravity: oh yeah? can i use xdm w/ fluxbox? |
| 20:47.39 | gravity | Mood: Of course |
| 20:47.55 | deb-eater | simonrvn: This is strict fact |
| 20:47.59 | Mood | gravity: ok, cool. would you recommend .xsession or xdm to startx right after i log in? |
| 20:48.13 | simonrvn | deb-eater: ok, so what happened? |
| 20:48.18 | gravity | Mood: Um... I don't think you understand how it works... |
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| 20:48.43 | gravity | Mood: xdm is started by the init system, and it requires X to run. So X gets started by the xdm scripts, so you needn't call startx |
| 20:48.46 | simonrvn | xdm runs ~/.xsession ... |
| 20:49.10 | deb-eater | They de commissioned the forums mdue to a security breach, and appaerently wont't revive them. |
| 20:49.13 | Mood | gravity: ah ok. |
| 20:49.14 | simonrvn | ...upon login via xdm. |
| 20:49.19 | gravity | Mood: When you log in, the X scripts in /etc/X11 get run, and among those is a call to source ~/.xsession if you have it, which allows you to put whatever you want, including fluxbox and anything else, in the script |
| 20:49.31 | NativeAngels | anyone else know how can get my gnome panel back |
| 20:49.41 | simonrvn | deb-eater: ok. |
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| 20:49.44 | cptblood | figured it out |
| 20:50.02 | stew | simonrvn: there was an email to -project |
| 20:50.07 | gravity | deb-eater: That's not entirely true. They're going to be revived in some form, but how exactly is being worked out. |
| 20:50.08 | lindenle | Hi does anyone have a good suggestion for budgetting software in linux |
| 20:50.15 | Mood | gravity and simonrvn - ah ok. so i think i need to stick startx into .xsession then |
| 20:50.18 | gravity | lindenle: I use gnucash for my personal stuff |
| 20:50.20 | simonrvn | stew: ok, thanks. i'm not subbed there. |
| 20:50.22 | gravity | Mood: No! |
| 20:50.25 | simonrvn | Mood: no |
| 20:50.27 | gravity | Mood: Did you not just read what I wrote? |
| 20:50.27 | Mood | ooh |
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| 20:50.34 | gravity | Go back and read it again |
| 20:50.34 | stew | simonrvn: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2009/04/msg00056.html |
| 20:50.40 | Mood | let me re-read |
| 20:50.51 | simonrvn | stew: thanks |
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| 20:50.58 | deb-eater | gravity: Linuxquestions might take on the debian forums archives |
| 20:51.22 | gravity | deb-eater: Talk to the debian forums admins about that. |
| 20:51.30 | lindenle | anyone ever use buddi? |
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| 20:51.41 | Mood | gravity: ok, so put fluxbox into .xsession, startx is not required. did i understand correctly? |
| 20:51.48 | gravity | Mood: Yes |
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| 20:52.11 | deb-eater | gravity: I'l putt jermy the owner of linuxquestions.org in tuch with him |
| 20:52.26 | gravity | Mood: The scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d (and Xsession itself there) are what get run on login, you can read them if you want to understand how it works |
| 20:52.30 | gravity | It's pretty clear |
| 20:52.44 | streuner_ | deb-eater: are you writing articles in i-net? |
| 20:53.08 | Mood | gravity: ok cool |
| 20:53.22 | stack` | hi, does someone knows why resolvconf doesn't set the dns? It puts nameserver 127.0.0.1 in resolv.conf , here is my network/interface http://pastebin.com/m11c82079 |
| 20:53.26 | NativeAngels | anyone else here know about debian lenny apps panel go missing |
| 20:53.41 | mandric | i'm trying to create a tmp filesystem for mysql in memory using ramfs. Anyone know how to do this on debian? |
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| 20:53.46 | gravity | NativeAngels: Are you running gnome? |
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| 20:53.54 | streuner_ | NativeAngels: what branch of Debian? |
| 20:54.02 | simonrvn | NativeAngels: re-phrase the question in a clearer way. thank you. |
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| 20:54.11 | gravity | NativeAngels: And what do you mean by "apps panel"? |
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| 20:54.53 | trichobezoar | Which is more retarded? Distributed.net putting files in /etc/acpi/(ac|battery).d/distributed-net (note there's no .sh) or the fact that /etc/acpi/power.sh only executes scripts matching /etc/acpi/(battery|ac).d/*.sh? |
| 20:54.55 | streuner_ | gnome-panel runs just fine in sid |
| 20:55.15 | streuner_ | so i guess it should be testing |
| 20:55.20 | trichobezoar | I think I answered my own question |
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| 20:55.38 | NativeAngels | ive installed debian lenny from a cover disk, at first everything was fine the gnome-panel (toolbar) was there but after a reboot the gnome-panel was missing and all i was left with was the folders on the left |
| 20:55.53 | NativeAngels | ive tried typeing gnome-panel from shell but nothing works |
| 20:56.16 | streuner_ | oh |
| 20:56.18 | bstock | try killall gnome-panel |
| 20:56.24 | bstock | and running it again |
| 20:56.50 | NativeAngels | will that fix it |
| 20:57.00 | bstock | maybe.. try it and see |
| 20:57.20 | NativeAngels | am on dual booting laptop so brb |
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| 21:03.18 | arssami | Check it out Here: http://www.000webhost.com/155136.html |
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| 21:04.43 | mandric | what is the difference between ramfs and tmpfs? |
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| 21:04.45 | simonrvn | goddamned spammers |
| 21:04.47 | Assid | hey |
| 21:04.59 | Assid | is there a way to reset the certificate used in ejabberd |
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| 21:06.40 | SerajewelKS | why does the copyright file in pidgin-data not include information about the sounds in /usr/share/sounds/purple? |
| 21:07.45 | jpinx-eeepc | sh4d3sl4y3r_: just to recap - the yahoo messenger replacement called gyachi is at version 1.1.61 at http://www.geocities.com/edwa94/gyachi/ |
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| 21:08.19 | jpinx-eeepc | sh4d3sl4y3r_: let me know when you've dpkg -I 'd it and see what you think |
| 21:08.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes hang on |
| 21:08.45 | ewet | does anyone still have tango-generator_3.2.3-1_all.deb? http://mejogid.ohallwebservices.com/ does not work anymore ;-( |
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| 21:09.07 | jpinx-eeepc | sh4d3sl4y3r_: it worked perfectly in lenny for me, but it's still pot-ugly ;) |
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| 21:09.42 | jpinx-eeepc | sh4d3sl4y3r_: the only issue is getting the cam to work in my eeepc |
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| 21:10.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | dependency issues.. let me install the needed packages |
| 21:10.05 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: why would "this program" not cover the media files? |
| 21:10.38 | jpinx-eeepc | sh4d3sl4y3r_: yes - I think there were 2 depends I installed with aptitude - no problems |
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| 21:11.16 | yoshimit | guys... someone can help with NAT rules? please? |
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| 21:12.26 | bpun | anyone using debian on nslu2? |
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| 21:12.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes its working well |
| 21:12.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : ) |
| 21:13.09 | JW | Does Lenny not really use udev anymore? For Etch when I changed NIC or made a new VM (which udev sees as about the same function) I would rm /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules but that file never seems to get generated in Lenny |
| 21:13.28 | simonrvn | yoshimit: just state the issue. or better yet, /join #iptables |
| 21:13.48 | simonrvn | JW: different file name |
| 21:13.51 | simonrvn | !z25 |
| 21:13.51 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 21:13.53 | jpinx-eeepc | sh4d3sl4y3r_: here's another url that you might find useful for applications to run on wine in lenny http://www.oldversion.com |
| 21:14.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | thanks |
| 21:14.20 | simonrvn | and even then, it's moved to /lib now for squeeze and sid |
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| 21:14.34 | simonrvn | why there i HNFC.... |
| 21:14.40 | JazzMan | ok i tried the killall gnome-panel and tried gnome-panel to restart it but nothing happened |
| 21:14.42 | JW | simonrvn: it doens't seem to be in there under any file name (ls *net* only shows the persistent-net-generator file which isn't the same thing |
| 21:14.47 | glaphira | can i ask to unban the ip? |
| 21:14.53 | JazzMan | f |
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| 21:15.24 | glaphira | is there any OP? |
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| 21:15.59 | Manoj | http://www.pcauthority.com.au/BlogEntry/143001,does-debian-still-matter.aspx |
| 21:16.19 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i don't typically think of sound files as programs |
| 21:16.25 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: so the audio files are GPL then? |
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| 21:17.33 | streuner_ | Manoj: not on this server :-P |
| 21:17.46 | glaphira | want OP |
| 21:17.51 | PatrickBatman | Debian doesn't matter, move along... |
| 21:18.19 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 21:18.24 | NativeAngels | ok my apps panel still not there |
| 21:18.32 | simonrvn | JW: check in /lib |
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| 21:18.39 | Manoj | you know, I thought I read this article in 2004 |
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| 21:18.59 | streuner_ | Manoj: true |
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| 21:19.10 | simonrvn | Manoj: probably ;). |
| 21:19.13 | NativeAngels | can anyone tell me how to get my gnome-toolbar back / |
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| 21:19.16 | NativeAngels | ? |
| 21:19.39 | simonrvn | did you try what someone suggested to you? |
| 21:19.45 | kqr_ | i've installed debian and let Xorg autoconfigure everything... that set my screen resolution to 1280*1024 as expected.. but how do i change it if i want it lower? (or, can i put the appropriate sections in xorg.conf while still maintaining the autodetect-stuff?) |
| 21:19.46 | gravity | NativeAngels: You can try to mv .gnome2 gnome2.bak and re-login |
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| 21:20.03 | beardy | Begging doesn't work. Be yourself, maybe it'll come back. Though, not really. |
| 21:20.06 | streuner_ | Manoj: some guys told me in '99, Debian should be hard to install and dont use Debian, so i installed Debian ;-) |
| 21:20.24 | gravity | kqr_: You can use xrandr to do that. See also http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 21:20.27 | streuner_ | Manoj: dude, i love Debian... |
| 21:20.52 | NativeAngels | ok thanks gravity |
| 21:21.10 | NativeAngels | is there any reason why it would disapear |
| 21:21.10 | alexbariv | hi people |
| 21:21.10 | manu_hack | just tried kde4 on sid, sort of sucks, thx for your attention ... |
| 21:21.13 | Manoj | me, I loved my first X desktop, which was with uwm in X10. Things have gone mostly downhill since then |
| 21:21.26 | boghog | does it matter for performance to put 'more likely to be matched' iptables rules at the beginning of a chain? or doesn't it really matter |
| 21:21.27 | Manoj | Debian at least allows me to approximate wum with fvwm |
| 21:21.31 | kqr_ | gravity: oh thanks :D |
| 21:21.33 | PatrickBatman | dwm is pretty rad |
| 21:21.45 | manu_hack | going back to openbox! |
| 21:21.45 | mandric | what is /dev/shm? |
| 21:21.50 | alexbariv | why the audio of my laptop stop working after a restore from suspend-to-ram ¿? im doing even a alsa force-reload and nothing ... im on debian lenny + kde 3.5 |
| 21:21.55 | dkr | mandric: shared memory |
| 21:21.56 | boghog | mandric, shared memory |
| 21:22.08 | Manoj | I have no idea why they dropped uwm when they went from X10 to X11 |
| 21:22.13 | beardy | manu_hack: I heard others swearing over it too. |
| 21:22.15 | mandric | boghog: is that for application use? |
| 21:22.19 | flower | is it possible to enable rt2500 wireless in an vanilla kernel? |
| 21:22.20 | PatrickBatman | alexbariv: cause sound in the later 2.6 kernels sucks? |
| 21:22.30 | boghog | mandric, yeah, allows applications to comminucate with eachother directly through memory |
| 21:22.32 | streuner_ | Manoj: i just installed X (SLS), it was a nightmare 92/93 |
| 21:22.35 | alexbariv | XD |
| 21:22.40 | boghog | mandric, or so I think, never used it myself :D |
| 21:22.48 | manu_hack | beardy: I thought I should have tried it before saying it sucks, now I can swear it :) |
| 21:22.49 | glaphira | mandric: use noexec for /dev/shm ::) |
| 21:22.57 | alexbariv | PatrickBatman: so, there is not any workaround ? |
| 21:23.07 | Manoj | streuner_: it was an install only system, mostly. I till have those 40 floppies around, somewhere in the attic |
| 21:23.11 | PatrickBatman | sure. try rebooting or reloading the modules |
| 21:23.20 | alexbariv | PatrickBatman: done and nothing |
| 21:23.20 | PatrickBatman | every system is different |
| 21:23.23 | streuner_ | Manoj: if you hear some folks here about X, its just a joke vs. 92/93 - i needed serveral days (without i-net) to setup |
| 21:23.28 | alexbariv | its the only thing that fails |
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| 21:23.34 | streuner_ | Manoj: yes |
| 21:23.36 | alexbariv | the rest, even the webcam works perfect! |
| 21:23.38 | PatrickBatman | alexbariv: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 21:23.44 | PatrickBatman | is your audio card there? |
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| 21:24.02 | alexbariv | crono:~# cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 21:24.03 | Manoj | well, my first exposure to X was with the 8 inch tapes we used to get from mit, and then it took 5 days to compile (this is circa 1987) |
| 21:24.04 | alexbariv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.05 | alexbariv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.09 | simonrvn | only kde crap i touch are 3 apps, because they do it better than the gnome/gtk ones. |
| 21:24.22 | PatrickBatman | alexbariv: open up alsamixer |
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| 21:24.33 | PatrickBatman | are any channels muted? |
| 21:24.46 | kqr_ | gravity: when i try to do that, X and/or the window manager crashes |
| 21:24.48 | alexbariv | uhm |
| 21:24.50 | alexbariv | wait |
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| 21:25.09 | mandric | ok, and can an application write a filesystem of type ramfs? |
| 21:25.15 | mandric | *write to |
| 21:25.35 | gravity | kqr_: X crashes when you run xrandr? |
| 21:25.48 | streuner_ | Manoj: i asked some guy of univerisity in Kaiserslautern to download me the 40 floppies , my brother downloaded me the stuff at least |
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| 21:26.42 | NativeAngels | gravity how do i restart gnome after doing that |
| 21:27.12 | kqr_ | gravity: when i change the resolution, X catches signal 11 and aborts |
| 21:27.37 | gravity | NativeAngels: You can try to do ctrl-alt-backspace. That should still work in lenny. |
| 21:28.31 | gravity | kqr_: Can you file a bug against xserver-xorg-core using the reportbug (NOT reportbug-ng) program? |
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| 21:28.51 | abrotman | sometimes .. i think gravity doesn't like reportbug-ng |
| 21:29.18 | streuner_ | haha |
| 21:29.35 | streuner_ | Who likes bugs in there packages? :-) |
| 21:29.54 | abrotman | their? |
| 21:30.02 | kqr_ | they're |
| 21:30.02 | kqr_ | xD |
| 21:30.14 | streuner_ | and what is reportbug-ng anyway? |
| 21:30.18 | gravity | abrotman: It just causes everyone more work. |
| 21:30.23 | gravity | Both us and the submitters. |
| 21:30.35 | gravity | It should be considered broken |
| 21:30.38 | streuner_ | hm |
| 21:30.41 | abrotman | gravity: you should file a grave bug on it .. |
| 21:30.43 | abrotman | hides |
| 21:30.51 | gravity | doesn't want to go back to that |
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| 21:31.10 | gravity | reportbug-gtk is here now, more or less, so it's unnecessary to have -ng |
| 21:31.20 | abrotman | did anyone tell bastian? |
| 21:31.33 | gravity | Not to mention that I have a general distaste for anything labeled "-ng" these days. They always amount to something worse |
| 21:31.40 | kqr_ | hmm |
| 21:31.44 | gravity | abrotman: Yes, it's been the subject of plenty of flamewars. |
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| 21:31.55 | abrotman | gravity: i've seen some |
| 21:31.56 | gravity | I'm honestly not sure what issues it has today |
| 21:32.09 | stew | abrotman: yes, bastian even blogged about it, i think he sees it as a gtk alternative to his qt application |
| 21:32.10 | jcesario | when compiling from source. im receiving errors about mygcc library not being found. which package has mygcc in it? |
| 21:32.12 | gravity | I thought he fixed my big issue, but perhaps not |
| 21:32.25 | jcesario | or better. how would i find which package contains a specific library in debian? |
| 21:32.36 | gravity | stew: He's pretty much the only one who things that, thankfully |
| 21:33.11 | stew | gravity: agreed. is your big bug that it ignores(ed?) /usr/share/bug ? |
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| 21:33.27 | gravity | stew: That was mine. The KDE folks had a whole other set of issues that I couldn't solve. |
| 21:33.39 | dondelelcaro | gravity, stew: btw, what do you guys think about a spreadsheet-like view for the bts? |
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| 21:33.52 | gravity | stew: I did write a patch to run /usr/share/bug in an xterm if it was available, but he wouldn't take it |
| 21:34.09 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I'd be interested, although I guess I'd have to see it. |
| 21:34.10 | NativeAngels | ok |
| 21:34.45 | gravity | Or a mockup |
| 21:34.45 | stew | dondelelcaro: like a more uniform, cell based layout for a list of bugs? |
| 21:34.47 | NativeAngels | or can i use /ect/init.d/gdm restart ? |
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| 21:34.50 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah |
| 21:34.55 | gravity | NativeAngels: Yes, that'll work too |
| 21:35.01 | NativeAngels | ok |
| 21:35.10 | streuner_ | damn, gravity is fast |
| 21:35.11 | dondelelcaro | stew: ideally with sorting on any column, and the ability to hide or show some columns |
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| 21:35.15 | stew | dondelelcaro: yes, especially if i can do things like "sort by date" then scan down the "patched" column |
| 21:35.29 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Improved sorting/searching! YES PLZ! |
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| 21:35.38 | gravity | Anything that accomplishes that is a win |
| 21:35.40 | dondelelcaro | wonders if someone has a good javascript library that already does all of that |
| 21:35.56 | gravity | dondelelcaro: jquery-ui was quite good when I last looked |
| 21:36.47 | jcesario | does apt have an equivalent to "yum provides" or "yum whatprovides" ? |
| 21:37.07 | jcesario | jquery is awesome. theres also scrip.tac.ulous |
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| 21:37.43 | NativeAngels | which is the better desktop gnome or kde ? |
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| 21:38.02 | dondelelcaro | gravity: cool |
| 21:38.03 | streuner_ | matter of taste |
| 21:38.04 | jcesario | NativeAngels, semantics. try both! |
| 21:38.06 | amphi | the best desktop is no desktop |
| 21:38.07 | mavhc | risc os of course |
| 21:38.12 | gravity | NativeAngels: That's totally a question of preference. |
| 21:38.14 | streuner_ | amphi: hehe |
| 21:38.14 | jcesario | e17 ftw |
| 21:38.15 | abrotman | jcesario: you mean to look for a file? |
| 21:38.32 | jcesario | abrotman, exactly. i need file x.so.a - i would like to find which package contains it |
| 21:38.35 | abrotman | jcesario: or when you type like 'foo' and foo isn't a binary on your system |
| 21:38.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell jcesario -about search |
| 21:38.39 | abrotman | !tell jcesario about apt-file |
| 21:39.02 | jcesario | apt-file. tanks! abrotman / dondelelcaro |
| 21:39.03 | gravity | I feel like the only one who doesn't bother with apt-file |
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| 21:39.21 | streuner_ | NativeAngels: both are available in Debian, GNOME is default, but they always like windows nowadays, you could try both |
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| 21:39.25 | nido | I'm trying to install debian on a machine without network; but it stays hanging on installing the base system at 71%. saying (translated) "APT-sources are being set up". Any ideas what is going on and how to get out it |
| 21:39.33 | dondelelcaro | gravity: I actually just type dp file:x.so.a; into iceweasel, actually... ;-) |
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| 21:39.49 | launch | Hi all, I installed the ircu ircd package and it install the config and deamon in a place where only root user can launch the ircd... this is not secure i guess, many people tell to never run anything as root |
| 21:39.49 | NativeAngels | how would i install kde ? |
| 21:39.51 | gravity | dondelelcaro: And that goes to packages.d.o? |
| 21:39.57 | dondelelcaro | gravity: yeah |
| 21:39.59 | gravity | Nice! |
| 21:40.01 | streuner_ | !install kde |
| 21:40.01 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall. See also <kde version>. |
| 21:40.10 | gravity | Now that I would use. I should really use that feature of iceweasel. |
| 21:40.12 | nido | I'm using the dvd for this install |
| 21:40.27 | dondelelcaro | gravity: coupled with vimperator, it's actually fairly useful |
| 21:40.31 | NativeAngels | im using a cover disk btw |
| 21:40.44 | gravity | dondelelcaro: vimperator scares me |
| 21:40.46 | jcesario | vimperator... hehe that just sounds wrong |
| 21:41.00 | gravity | Plus I like having the ability for other people to actually use my computer without significant confusion and pain |
| 21:41.11 | stew | man mysql really knows how to piss me off |
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| 21:41.16 | dondelelcaro | gravity: it's actually pretty cool; and you can basically just use it with a mouse as normal if you :set go+=m |
| 21:41.20 | jcesario | stew: how so? |
| 21:41.32 | streuner_ | NativeAngels: cover disk? Debian makes only fun via i-net... |
| 21:41.43 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Maybe I'll give it another look, but it was too jarring when I tried it last |
| 21:41.49 | NativeAngels | i wason a magazine |
| 21:42.03 | dondelelcaro | gravity: I have people use my machine occasionally, and they usually are ok with it. [Though I have my mouse set to insane sensitivity levels, which causes problems for most people] |
| 21:42.11 | NativeAngels | uk linux format |
| 21:42.12 | gravity | hehe |
| 21:42.24 | stew | jcesario: when it does stuff like lets you to a "alter table foo add constraint whateter" to which it respondes something like "12345 Rows affected", even though it just completely ignored your new constraint, because you are using a storage engine that doesn't support it |
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| 21:42.45 | streuner_ | NativeAngels: so just configure Debian in order to use i-net, done |
| 21:42.45 | jcesario | hmm.. apt-file is failing because it cant find the contents.gz file... and i cant find it by manually browsing. |
| 21:42.53 | jcesario | stew: dont use MyISAM when you want FKs |
| 21:43.17 | dondelelcaro | jcesario: you should just run apt-file update; assuming you've got a real mirror, it should be good |
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| 21:43.28 | jcesario | dondelelcaro, i did. big fail |
| 21:43.31 | stew | jcesario: yes, i know. i just wish mysql would at least give you a warning when you try to |
| 21:43.34 | jcesario | dondelelcaro, Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz |
| 21:43.53 | jcesario | stew, wanna see something fun? try using timestamp as a federated key |
| 21:44.04 | stew | i have plenty of fun right here |
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| 21:45.14 | dondelelcaro | jcesario: the security mirrors don't have the contents files on them |
| 21:45.21 | stew | (yet) |
| 21:45.28 | dkr | or changelogs |
| 21:45.36 | dondelelcaro | jcesario: just ignore that warning |
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| 21:45.47 | nordc | guys, I need help; I've got Debian Lenny installed - whenever I minimize a program I don't have it on my panel - is there a way to get it back somehow back on my desktop? |
| 21:45.59 | jcesario | darn. i still didnt find what i needed and i was hoping getting that resolved might find it. |
| 21:46.17 | jcesario | dondelelcaro, im trying to compile zabbix 1.6.4 from source and it fails during configure when looking for mygcc library |
| 21:46.48 | streuner_ | judd, versions zabbix |
| 21:46.49 | judd | streuner_: zabbix -- |
| 21:46.53 | streuner_ | hm |
| 21:46.53 | dkr | nordc: right-click on panel and "add to panel" a "window list" applet |
| 21:47.11 | nordc | dkr, thank you very much, you made my day! |
| 21:47.12 | BadHorsie | hey, I removed some files because remove --purge refused for some reason to get rid of several config files ( I believe the software itself generated them so must be the software's fault) and I'm getting now: dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `egroupware-sambaadmin' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
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| 21:47.21 | streuner_ | judd, versions zabbix-agent |
| 21:47.22 | judd | streuner_: zabbix-agent -- etch: 1:1.1.4-10etch1 etch-security: 1:1.1.4-10etch1 lenny: 1:1.4.6-1 sid: 1:1.6.4-1 squeeze: 1:1.6.4-1 |
| 21:47.40 | jcesario | streuner_, yes but i need a statically compiled version. so i can push it out to other systems |
| 21:48.00 | jcesario | streuner_, can i do that through dpkg/apt? |
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| 22:00.07 | streuner_ | jcesarion: not without changing the flags |
| 22:00.45 | streuner_ | jcesario: and not via dpkg/apt, that i aware of |
| 22:00.52 | bpun | does anyone have any pointers after updating a kernel for nslu2 before i reboot it? I don't want to be locked out :/... |
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| 22:01.03 | jcesario | streuner_, o well |
| 22:01.09 | et | 0x00000000 |
| 22:01.10 | Mood | i'm familiar with tightvnc, but not sure what the difference of x11vnc is, esp. the "x11vnc does not create an extra display for remote control, instead uses existing display shown in real time" -- what is the benefit of x11vnc in this regard? |
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| 22:01.19 | NativeAngels | ok i tried the mv .gnome2 gnome.2.bak but still no toolbars after restarting gdm |
| 22:01.38 | et | Mood: when you use tightvnc and log in, a new graphical session opens |
| 22:01.50 | TheSarge | How can i find what mirror is closest (or fastest) for me? |
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| 22:02.00 | Tordek | hi |
| 22:02.02 | et | Mood: this software says you can share the screen that you already have |
| 22:02.11 | Tordek | how do I set which modules load on boot? |
| 22:02.17 | Mood | et: ok, so basically x11vnc "takes ownership" of the display at :0.0, is that accurate? |
| 22:02.18 | streuner_ | TheSarge: apt-spy (fastest) |
| 22:02.28 | jcm | hi, what partition scheme would you recommend for a RAID5 array which will host some vserver ? I thought to /boot (RAID1), /, /tmp and /var only |
| 22:02.38 | TheSarge | streuner_: okay whats the syntax? or do i just run that? |
| 22:02.41 | NativeAngels | any ideas |
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| 22:02.47 | streuner_ | TheSarge: TLD.debian.org for closet |
| 22:03.01 | streuner_ | TheSarge: just install apt-spy |
| 22:03.08 | streuner_ | and read its man-page |
| 22:03.09 | et | Mood: i don't know the software, i just translated it - and yes, that seems to be accurate, but the ownership is not exclusive usually |
| 22:03.18 | TheSarge | streuner_: what does it do? replace apt-get? |
| 22:03.19 | EmleyMoor | jcm: I use a RAID1 for boot, a RAID6 for almost everything else and a RAID0 scratch space |
| 22:03.34 | Mood | et: ah ok. i think i understand now. thank you for the clarification |
| 22:03.41 | streuner_ | TheSarge: running apt-spy is usually enough, it finds the fastest and write sources.list |
| 22:03.52 | et | Mood: (at least that is the case for the kde vnc thing, you can access the existing session from elsewhere simultaneously) |
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| 22:04.27 | Tordek | how do I set which modules load on boot? (ie, I want to disable lp and enable gamecon) |
| 22:04.32 | TheSarge | streuner_: oh okay cool |
| 22:04.35 | streuner_ | TheSarge: but keep in mind, TLD.debian.org, where TLD is your country code should usually enough |
| 22:04.38 | Mood | i think i want x11vnc over tightvnc -- specifically because i want to control the display:0.0 of an existing fluxbox session, and not start a new instance of a desktop |
| 22:05.05 | Vantage | Hi, my Debian Raid/LVM setup currently is listing as degraded, however, mdstat only lists dm-1 as the drive in. How can I find out what physical drive/partition that maps to? And how can I find out what the other one is supposed to be? |
| 22:05.07 | NativeAngels | can anyone else tell me how to get my gnome panel back ? |
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| 22:05.18 | TheSarge | streuner_: I live in the US there is like a thousand mirrors here most of them 1000's of miles away from me |
| 22:05.49 | TheSarge | streuner_: Is there a guide for making a custom kernel in debian for your proc? |
| 22:06.03 | Vantage | This array was setup by the debian installer btw |
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| 22:06.35 | johnny5 | Ok, my user is in the www-data group. my /var/www is owned by www-data. Shouldn't I be able to write to that directory? |
| 22:07.21 | EmleyMoor | johnny5: Is /var/www owend by the group? What permissions are set for group? |
| 22:07.32 | EmleyMoor | owned |
| 22:07.53 | streuner_ | TheSarge: why do you tink you need a custom kernel? |
| 22:07.54 | jcm | EmleyMoor: do you mean you have a single / in RAID6 ? do you run RAID6 with linux kernel soft raid ? |
| 22:08.09 | TheSarge | streuner_: cause I don't want to use a generic one. |
| 22:08.24 | streuner_ | thats not enough |
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| 22:08.35 | EmleyMoor | jcm: I have an LVM in it with all my other filesystems and swap. Yes, software RAID |
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| 22:08.39 | TheSarge | I don't need advice if I need a custom kernel or not, I just need to know if there is any guides in the debian documentation? |
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| 22:08.54 | epsilon | johnny5: it's generally not a good idea to add an user to a system group |
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| 22:09.01 | yitz_ | Is there some package that'll rotate the display? |
| 22:09.02 | themill | TheSarge: if you think you know enough to know the advantages of building a new kernel, then you should know how to search the debian wiki and/or use google. |
| 22:09.11 | TheSarge | Every system I have ever had has a had a custom kernel, it gives way better performance.. |
| 22:09.12 | jcm | EmleyMoor: I thought software RAID was only able of RAID5. Do you have some articles to point me to ? |
| 22:09.43 | TheSarge | themill: I have searched the debian documentation, I am not finding anything, why else would I ask here? |
| 22:09.44 | EmleyMoor | jcm: Not really - but I set it up using a daily build Debian installer |
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| 22:10.00 | johnny5 | the /var/www is owned by the www-data group |
| 22:10.01 | jcm | EmleyMoor: I read swap should not be in RAID to be faster |
| 22:10.06 | johnny5 | how should i set it up |
| 22:10.14 | johnny5 | i'm pretty new, just trying to egt a dev server setup |
| 22:10.46 | streuner_ | TheSarge: dude, i build my own custom kernel, the result was, the SCSI controller broke, is that enough? |
| 22:10.54 | themill | TheSarge: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+custom+kernel+compile |
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| 22:11.01 | TheSarge | streuner_: So? you fix it... |
| 22:11.05 | streuner_ | no |
| 22:11.19 | EmleyMoor | jcm: Perhaps but for reliability it's not a bad idea |
| 22:11.22 | streuner_ | the hardware was broken... |
| 22:11.26 | TheSarge | streuner_: well thats user error... doesnt mean we should all use generic kernels |
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| 22:11.45 | streuner_ | yes, you should use generic kernels |
| 22:11.55 | streuner_ | or you have an idea what you doing |
| 22:12.14 | themill | TheSarge: there is so little (if any) benefit it's not worth it. |
| 22:12.16 | TheSarge | That is your opinion |
| 22:12.20 | streuner_ | but NOT for 1-2 percent better performance |
| 22:12.25 | mmind | TheSarge, the performance advantage of a custom-built kernel are so small, you'll spend more CPU cycles building the thing than you will save in performance |
| 22:12.25 | TheSarge | Do you even know the benefits? |
| 22:12.32 | PatrickBatman | awww, let him have his fun |
| 22:12.36 | TheSarge | That is incorrect |
| 22:12.41 | PatrickBatman | compiling the Linux kernel is something EVERYONE should do |
| 22:12.52 | streuner_ | no |
| 22:12.53 | themill | welcome to 1992! |
| 22:12.54 | TheSarge | Unless you guys dont compile then maybe ya you won't see any advantages |
| 22:13.16 | stew | the only performance difference a costom kernel should provide is faster booting becuase you might not need an initrd. |
| 22:13.17 | PatrickBatman | http://xkcd.com/456/ |
| 22:13.28 | themill | your assuming we didn't use to do that or that we haven't grown out of it yet.... |
| 22:13.29 | TheSarge | Go ask a Gentoo user if there is no advantages to building your own kernel lmao |
| 22:13.30 | stew | ^only^only noticable |
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| 22:13.30 | beardy | If you can by learning on your own, yes. |
| 22:13.43 | TheSarge | Grown out of programming? |
| 22:13.44 | stew | that is indeed worth laughing at |
| 22:14.02 | dondelelcaro | TheSarge: unless you've got statistics with standard error, there's no point in talking about advantages of building anything in a custom fashion |
| 22:14.06 | themill | TheSarge: benchmarks. |
| 22:14.33 | PatrickBatman | why are you guys so harsh, let him break his computer and waste his time |
| 22:14.40 | streuner_ | sure |
| 22:14.42 | dondelelcaro | (and honestly, if you do have benchmarks, you'll find that they're task and processor specific) |
| 22:14.53 | TheSarge | sure go build something on identical hardware with a custom kernel using proper cflags for all the hardware and a generic one... tell me which is faster... |
| 22:14.56 | PatrickBatman | that's what Linux is all about. breaking things and fixing them. it's a career, y'know |
| 22:15.06 | themill | ! dondelelcaro++ |
| 22:15.28 | mmind | TheSarge, http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 22:15.31 | PatrickBatman | TheSarge: be sure to set GCC to -O4 |
| 22:15.44 | PatrickBatman | that makes everything /real/ fast |
| 22:15.45 | dondelelcaro | TheSarge: you can't know what the "proper cflags for all the hardware" are without actually doing the statistics. |
| 22:15.46 | yitz_ | Is there some package that'll rotate the display? |
| 22:15.48 | TheSarge | Its a known fact that compiling is faster on any hardware when your system is built custom |
| 22:15.52 | dondelelcaro | yitz_: xrandr will do it |
| 22:15.57 | mmind | TheSarge, the kernel is always built with the same CFLAGS, even on gentoo, assuming your using the bundled makefile |
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| 22:16.02 | beardy | Everyone can break what they want to as much as they want. It's when they come here, not even running Debian, asking for help to fix something they broke, that isn't on. |
| 22:16.04 | jcm | EmleyMoor: do you think I can follow this with lenny : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512 ? |
| 22:16.05 | yitz_ | Thanks, dondelelcaro |
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| 22:16.23 | TheSarge | mmind: wow, you haven't a clue what you are talking about. |
| 22:16.31 | dondelelcaro | yitz_: that is, assuming your video card supports it. [Not all do, and in some cases, it kind of works, but the driver is broken.] |
| 22:16.45 | themill | warms up the trollstamp again |
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| 22:17.08 | TheSarge | Okay so I am ignoring the trolls and flamers. |
| 22:17.09 | mmind | TheSarge, the kernel build system ignores whatever's in /etc/make.conf under gentoo |
| 22:17.12 | TheSarge | Sorry about that |
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| 22:17.30 | mmind | TheSarge, did you see the link i pasted? it has the guide you're looking for |
| 22:17.40 | TheSarge | mmind: Your talking to someone who has been on Gentoo for 9 years, you are WRONG. |
| 22:17.41 | EmleyMoor | jcm: Very likely |
| 22:17.48 | mmind | TheSarge, whatever man. |
| 22:17.50 | TheSarge | Now you are going on ignore. |
| 22:17.57 | themill | TheSarge: I pointed you to the docs almost 10 minutes ago. |
| 22:17.57 | PatrickBatman | srsly |
| 22:18.01 | streuner_ | all those flamers/trolls are OPs and regulars here, and they do what they talking about, keep that in mind, please... |
| 22:18.25 | yitz_ | dondelelcaro: Working fine on my EeePC. Thanks again |
| 22:18.26 | mmind | gentoo hasn't even existed for 9 years.. :\ |
| 22:18.27 | TheSarge | I don't care who they are, they troll they get ignored. |
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| 22:18.47 | PatrickBatman | maybe he's doing fluid simulations for dam engineering on 64-core CPUs |
| 22:18.55 | dondelelcaro | yitz_: np. |
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| 22:19.04 | dondelelcaro | folks, talke this silly conversation elsewhere, please. |
| 22:19.54 | streuner_ | this discussion we surely have in 1000 years :-P |
| 22:20.08 | streuner_ | no worries :-) |
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| 22:21.13 | streuner_ | but its true, this idiot dont follow any advise of us :-) |
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| 22:22.51 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: drop it, please. |
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| 22:23.55 | streuner_ | hm, thats what i thought, dondelelcaro has the largest dick ;-) |
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| 22:24.45 | at0m|c | any more questions? :> |
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| 22:25.45 | at0m|c | tried apt-get updating this afternoon, did udev and grub but skipped 2.6.26-1 to 2.6.26-2 - should never have done that :/ |
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| 22:25.53 | beardy | Don't kiss and tell. |
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| 22:26.23 | at0m|c | now kernel panics like 5 lines after grub eh. |
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| 22:28.04 | at0m|c | had some hints from a friend, on how to chroot and install 2.6.26-2, hope that'll all work out when i got home.. |
| 22:28.24 | dondelelcaro | at0m|c: yeah, just use rescue media, mount, chroot, and install, and you should be ok. |
| 22:28.44 | dondelelcaro | at0m|c: though it really shouldn't be kernel panicing like that; the error message should tell you something useful. |
| 22:28.50 | at0m|c | just as an advisory for others who think they're playing smart by wanting to save some MB disk space |
| 22:28.54 | at0m|c | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 22:29.16 | at0m|c | dondelelcaro: have taken some pics of the screen, will check them again at home |
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| 22:31.52 | type_generic | Just verifying, simplest way to upgrade from lenny to sid is change all instances of "lenny" in the sources.list to "sid" then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? or is better to go lenny > squeeze> sid? |
| 22:32.36 | dondelelcaro | type_generic: our general advice is that if you have to ask how to upgrade to sid, you shouldn't. |
| 22:32.42 | at0m|c | dondelelcaro: had been trying PXE boot, so changed initramfs.conf or so to boot=nfs instead of =local. i think that's what it tries to do now, it brings up eth0 like 2-3 lines after grub |
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| 22:33.12 | dondelelcaro | type_generic: upgrade to squeeze for a bit to make sure that you're comfortable; if you need specific packages from testing or unstable, ask the bot about backporting them |
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| 22:33.31 | dondelelcaro | at0m|c: ah |
| 22:33.35 | at0m|c | it tries to bring up eth0 too fast, then tries to mount root from unknown path - but I should be at that frontend really to describe properly |
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| 22:34.06 | at0m|c | dondelelcaro: never tried to initramfs on that root partition tho, only on the nfs share |
| 22:34.07 | dondelelcaro | at0m|c: yeah, it'll try to mount root using nfs probably, which you probably don't have properly specified using pxe or whatever. |
| 22:34.11 | at0m|c | bit weird |
| 22:34.19 | type_generic | dondelelcaro: i can see why you say that. I gues I should have mentioned that I'm running it on a VM on my vista laptop. I run testing on my desktop. |
| 22:34.46 | dondelelcaro | type_generic: yeah; if you don't care if it's screwed up, then /msg dpkg stable->unstable |
| 22:34.47 | at0m|c | "i tried kicking it but it still doesnt boot" |
| 22:35.00 | PatrickBatman | laters |
| 22:35.17 | dondelelcaro | type_generic: but yes, just replacing stable (or lenny) with unstable and following the Debian mantra is how it's done. |
| 22:35.55 | jpinx-eeepc | can I get aptitude show to show me packages in other releases ? |
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| 22:36.40 | at0m|c | jpinx-eeepc: i add the repo, apt-get update, then show it and revert. but i'm sure there |
| 22:36.47 | at0m|c | s better ways :> |
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| 22:36.58 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: if you don't plan on installing them, just use packages.debian.org |
| 22:37.12 | Tusker | heya guys... am using gnutls and libgcrypt, and was wondering if it is possible to force pthread mode ? |
| 22:37.16 | jpinx-eeepc | heh - I thought of that, but it's a bit long-winded - easier to look at packages.debian.org |
| 22:37.36 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - thanks dondelelcaro - that's what I thought |
| 22:37.40 | dondelelcaro | (though you could add them and set pinning so that they won't be installed... but that's kind of a pain) |
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| 22:38.18 | type_generic | dondelelcaro: alright, just was curious about going straight to it or though testing. I'm working on just compiling the kernel and such (virtualbox guest additions requires a newer kernel version, so it says) and its probably a good thing to learn, i've messed up the VM install a couple times from random update failures |
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| 22:39.16 | type_generic | dondelelcaro: thanks though |
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| 22:39.31 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone know why xephyr is recommended over xnest? |
| 22:39.43 | themill | type_generic: I'd suggest that going via testing is a good plan because you will likely find that you can't install a pure sid system anyway and will have a mixture of sid and old-sid (or sid and squeeze). |
| 22:39.57 | jpinx-eeepc | aptitude show xnest says "use xephyr" - odd? |
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| 22:41.27 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: less broken and better maintained, aiui. See the xserver-xephyr package |
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| 22:42.20 | type_generic | themill: that makes more sense I guess. I wonder why I was going to sid? |
| 22:42.51 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: yea - got it now - but it doesn't seem to move x-sessions:( |
| 22:43.17 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: no, xnest and friends are just a way of containing an xsession within another xsession |
| 22:43.39 | foetus | hi, i'm currently running an debian oldstable system with an debian unstable kernel :) |
| 22:43.45 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: yep - there seems to be no replacement for xmove or xcopy |
| 22:43.57 | abrotman | sounds like FLW to me |
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| 22:45.46 | rascal999 | any software for linux which allows remote control of services in xp? (like services.msc) |
| 22:45.48 | foetus | (only for testing purposes, for sure, and only workstation) |
| 22:46.19 | abrotman | rascal999: like ssh? |
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| 22:47.01 | rascal999 | abrotman: well, like services.msc for linux |
| 22:47.23 | abrotman | rascal999: i think you want to ssh in and use update-rc.d or rcconf |
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| 22:47.35 | themill | wonders what services.msc is |
| 22:47.38 | at0m|c | rascal999: see sys-rc-conf |
| 22:48.04 | LZNPDE | anyone know of any decent server hardware related chan that is out there? |
| 22:48.12 | abrotman | ##hardware ? |
| 22:48.19 | abrotman | themill: a windows thing |
| 22:48.24 | dudes2013 | anyone succeded in installing Debian 5 on a MacBook (intel) - single boot? |
| 22:48.41 | themill | abrotman: sounds like I want to remain in my blissful ignorance then |
| 22:48.47 | abrotman | themill: good plan |
| 22:48.54 | dudes2013 | I got "no bootable device" |
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| 22:49.06 | LZNPDE | thx abrotman |
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| 22:50.30 | foetus | and a question follows - does 2.6.29-3 support lzma algorithm directly, or must i figure out something special? |
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| 22:51.10 | foetus | or not..:) |
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| 22:52.43 | mordy_ | hey, why am i getting this? /usr/sbin/update-initramfs: line 279: /var/lib/initramfs-tools/2.6.30-rc2-wl-21704-g8b82966: No such file or directory |
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| 22:53.01 | mordy_ | is there _supposed_ to be such a file/directory? |
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| 22:53.31 | abrotman | mordy_: ask the kernel people not us .. use a debian kernel if you want fewer problems |
| 22:53.51 | mordy_ | but update-initramfs is a debian tool, no? |
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| 22:54.00 | abrotman | mordy_: does the file exist for debian packaged kernels? |
| 22:54.30 | mordy_ | hrrrm... wait... |
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| 22:54.39 | mordy_ | i don't even have a /var/initramfs-tools |
| 22:54.40 | dimedo | gpg question: can anyone tell me why i can't encrypt to myself? i always get the message "gpg: secret: encryption failed: public key not found" but it's my own keypair |
| 22:54.44 | mordy_ | d'oh |
| 22:54.55 | foetus | btw, today i have applied my own kernel patch system, created diffs against kernel.org, works like a charme. |
| 22:54.56 | mordy_ | sounds like something si broken one sec. |
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| 22:57.35 | mordy_ | sorry about that... seems reinstalling initramfs-tools fixed it |
| 22:57.47 | mordy_ | (that was a deb btw, although not a debian kernel) |
| 22:57.54 | foetus | abrotman: so i ask directly, does 2.6.29 series support lzma algorithm ? |
| 22:58.31 | abrotman | uh .. why would i know? |
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| 22:58.52 | abrotman | foetus: if you mean as a kernel option .. i'd think you could look in your config |
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| 23:02.32 | foetus | abrotman: so you don't know it. okay. i must read the docs. i have recognized, that lzma compression with the 2.6.29 series kernel is running faster than with the old ones, it was the only reason for the questions about this "maybe" feature. |
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| 23:05.24 | centHOGG | OT: anybody here good with geexbox |
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| 23:05.43 | meredydd | hey all. I just did the unstable KDE3->KDE4 transition |
| 23:05.48 | BadHorsie | whoa, installing gdm removes x-window-system on sid? |
| 23:05.50 | meredydd | (not entirely deliberately, but oh well) |
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| 23:06.25 | meredydd | would anyone be able to suggest what's happened to the Forward and Back buttons in my new Konqueror? |
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| 23:07.24 | thahauss | I'm new to ubuntu and trying to tie a /dev/null command to this "rdesktop -u Administrator -p xxxxxx -r sound:remote -g 1900x1100+0+0 192.168.254.4" so the terminal doesn't display and show up in the panel and ideas on how 2 do this? |
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| 23:08.11 | launch | Hi is there a package to crypt password using crypt algorithm |
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| 23:09.06 | abrotman | there's a crypt function |
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| 23:10.38 | JordiGH | What do I need in order to view java applet in Iceweasel? |
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| 23:10.48 | JordiGH | the icedtea plugin? Something else? |
| 23:10.49 | stdisease | JordiGH: you need the java plugin |
| 23:10.56 | themill | dpkg: tell JordiGH about install java |
| 23:10.57 | launch | abrotman i need to make a program? |
| 23:12.30 | abrotman | launch: mcrypt should do what you need |
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| 23:12.58 | JordiGH | Well, a java applet is freezing Iceweasel. :-/ |
| 23:13.14 | themill | launch: perl -e 'print crypt("password", "salt");' |
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| 23:14.00 | bhiggins | how can i get manpages for stuff like printf, memcpy, etc |
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| 23:14.15 | bpun | JordiGH, u may need to use contrib's (for sun's java) |
| 23:14.16 | abrotman | manpages-dev |
| 23:14.16 | stdisease | bhiggins: install manpages-dev |
| 23:14.22 | bhiggins | thanks! |
| 23:14.31 | JordiGH | Okay, what's the difference between icedtea6-plugin and icedtea-gcjwebplugin? |
| 23:14.42 | JordiGH | bpun: lol non-free lol |
| 23:14.44 | abrotman | JordiGH: they have descriptions |
| 23:14.54 | bpun | JordiGH, gcj is non-sun |
| 23:15.29 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yeah, I know they do. I read them. They both say about the same thing. |
| 23:15.31 | bpun | JordiGH, also ->about:plugins in the url would say... |
| 23:15.42 | abrotman | about the same is not the same |
| 23:16.09 | JordiGH | abrotman: It would be nice if the description would say "this one is Sun's" and "this one is GNU's". |
| 23:16.46 | themill | JordiGH: their both openjdk |
| 23:16.53 | themill | s/their/they're/ |
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| 23:17.16 | JordiGH | themill: Great, so the difference isn't Sun or GNU? :-/ |
| 23:18.27 | stdisease | I avoid all the fuss and install sun-java :/ |
| 23:18.32 | JordiGH | The difference, apparently, is that icedtea6-plugin doesn't give me a plugin for Iceweasel, contrary to its description. |
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| 23:18.47 | themill | JordiGH: icedtea-gcjwebplugin: This is a transitional package. It can safely be removed after installation. |
| 23:18.53 | JordiGH | stdisease: Hey, if no one uses the free stuff, the free stuff will never get good. And OpenJDK *is* Sun's Java. |
| 23:19.02 | themill | JordiGH: icedtea-gcjwebplugin: Depends: icedtea6-plugin |
| 23:19.04 | JordiGH | themill: My local copy must be outdated... |
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| 23:19.24 | stdisease | JordiGH: you make it sound as if it is my responsibiity to use the free stuff to make it good, which isn't |
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| 23:19.28 | bpun | JordiGH, sun's is free.. i said it's probably in contrib.. |
| 23:19.46 | themill | bpun: sun's is not free and it's in non-free |
| 23:19.52 | stdisease | sun is in non-free, pbun |
| 23:20.06 | JordiGH | bpun: OpenJDK is free and not in contrib, and stdisease, you don't have to care about making free software better, but some of us do. |
| 23:20.49 | bpun | I'm not stating licenses.. if u want to be an ass then be it |
| 23:20.53 | stdisease | it's not non-free but it's free of charge and is likely to remain that, and is more compatible my software, that's why I use it period. |
| 23:21.07 | stdisease | it's not/it's |
| 23:21.25 | JordiGH | bpun: You're using the wrong distro if you don't care about software freedom. ;-) |
| 23:21.26 | stdisease | that way* , omg I omit so much stuff when I type |
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| 23:21.51 | themill | bpun: sun's java is also only available for a limited number of architectures whereas openjdk is more widely available |
| 23:21.52 | stdisease | JordiGH: I would have used something like gnewsense if I cared all that much |
| 23:22.13 | JordiGH | stdisease: No, gnewsense has problems because it thinks documentation isn't software. |
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| 23:23.38 | stdisease | JordiGH: if you want to live a monk's life then suit yourself, however just the fact that more people use free stuff doesn't make it better, if you want to make it better *contribute* to it |
| 23:24.39 | JordiGH | stdisease: Users always contribute because users provide feedback and bug reports and incentive to make the software better. It's a minimal form of contribution to use the software, but it is some. And I do contribute to free software, albeit admittedly not too much lately or as much as I would like. |
| 23:25.06 | stdisease | I'm curious, what distro should I use assuming I don't care about software freedom? |
| 23:25.15 | JordiGH | stdisease: MacOS X. |
| 23:25.29 | beardy | ... |
| 23:25.32 | JordiGH | It's a well-known BSD distro. |
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| 23:25.42 | beardy | And this is #debian. |
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| 23:26.11 | Akuw | hi |
| 23:26.13 | stdisease | beardy: it's not like we're drowining in debian-related conversation otherwise |
| 23:26.15 | stdisease | Akuw: hi |
| 23:26.26 | Akuw | is there some application to design newspaper? |
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| 23:27.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Akuw: yes - the name will come back to me in a minute |
| 23:27.26 | JordiGH | Akuw: Try Scribus. |
| 23:27.30 | Akuw | ok |
| 23:27.30 | stdisease | JordiGH: 'incentive' ? Like moral support for the devs knowing that more users are using their software? |
| 23:27.45 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks JordiGH :) |
| 23:27.57 | stdisease | A smaller user base contributes bug reports anyway |
| 23:28.14 | JordiGH | stdisease: Yes. Moral support, believe it or not, is a big deal. |
| 23:28.16 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 23:28.58 | stdisease | JordiGH: moral support seems to me like a fairly dangerous 'asset' to rely on |
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| 23:29.00 | JordiGH | themill: Hey, where are you seeing that icedtea-gcjwebplugin is a transitional package? The description I'm reading here only says " icedtea-gcjwebplugin is a little web browser plugin to execute Java applets. |
| 23:29.01 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:29.13 | stdisease | when it comes to software development at least |
| 23:29.32 | themill | JordiGH: that might have only been on the package in experimental now that I look again.... |
| 23:29.42 | JordiGH | themill: :-/ |
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| 23:30.12 | JordiGH | After KDE 4.1 trickled down, I removed my experimental repos. |
| 23:30.15 | JordiGH | Do I need them again? |
| 23:30.52 | stdisease | themill: i see the same description as JordiGH, execpt the the 'little' part |
| 23:31.31 | Akuw | what is there to video editing like Avid? |
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| 23:33.00 | abrotman | Akuw: apt-cache search ? |
| 23:33.02 | stdisease | there's packages like Kino for video editing, and a bunch of others although I'm not much of a multimedia guy |
| 23:33.19 | abrotman | peter5: LTNS! |
| 23:33.31 | peter5 | ha |
| 23:33.47 | peter5 | yeah I guess you usually only see peterS |
| 23:33.47 | beardy | Hm. |
| 23:33.52 | abrotman | usually |
| 23:35.22 | simonrvn | hello peter5 |
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| 23:38.57 | harlan | I'm new to debian and I'm getting a box set up. It has 2 drives in it, and I want to mirror them. Should I use LVM or something else for that? |
| 23:39.15 | abrotman | swraid is probably what you want |
| 23:39.23 | ssamoon | howdy... after a kernel upgrade i no longer seem to have USB. lspci shows USB controller, modprobe -l | grep usb returns a ton of things. /var/log/messages shows nothing when i plug in my usb mouse. any advice? |
| 23:39.25 | harlan | is that independent of LVM? |
| 23:39.54 | abrotman | !ig |
| 23:39.54 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <installer firmware>. |
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| 23:40.30 | peter5 | harlan: and yeah, raid and lvm are two different things (often used together) |
| 23:40.36 | stdisease | ssamoon: does lsusb show the mouse? |
| 23:40.56 | ssamoon | stdisease: nope... |
| 23:41.14 | peterS | ssamoon: lsmod | grep _hcd - see if your host controller drivers (hcd) are loaded |
| 23:41.33 | ssamoon | ehci_hcd 35980 0 |
| 23:41.44 | peterS | ssamoon: yeah and do you also have uhci_hcd or ohci_hcd? |
| 23:41.48 | ssamoon | i believe uhci |
| 23:41.52 | ssamoon | so looks not loaded |
| 23:42.07 | peterS | yeah, lsmod should show uhci_hcd |
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| 23:42.23 | peterS | that is for USB 1.1 devices, ehci_hcd is only useful for USB 2.0 devices, like ... not mice |
| 23:42.55 | peterS | (input devices generally have no need for the kind of bandwidth you use USB 2.0 for) |
| 23:43.02 | JordiGH | Oh, man. |
| 23:43.09 | JordiGH | Do I have to update-alternatives to use the icedtea6-plugin? |
| 23:43.51 | JordiGH | I do. |
| 23:43.52 | abrotman | update-java-alternatives maybe |
| 23:43.53 | JordiGH | That's the problem. |
| 23:44.16 | JordiGH | Who the fuck knows what the difference between those two packages was, but gcj doesn't work and now I have broken symlink. |
| 23:44.56 | stdisease | more incentive to get sun-java |
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| 23:45.15 | jpinx-eeepc | oracle-java ;) |
| 23:45.17 | JordiGH | stdisease: Sigh... OpenJDK *is* Sun Java... I just wasn't using it. |
| 23:45.35 | bpun | JordiGH, update-java-alternatives has a --plugin parameter, perhaps that.. |
| 23:45.37 | stdisease | ... ok |
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| 23:50.47 | gog | any reason why xsane would run when I wake my computer up from suspend? |
| 23:51.31 | simonrvn | it's insane? |
| 23:51.37 | gog | it might be |
| 23:51.41 | simonrvn | bah-duh-tssh |
| 23:52.01 | JordiGH | simonrvn: http://instantrimshot.com/ |
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| 23:52.34 | kenny8706 | hello guys! i just got a new scsi HDD for my debian machine and i was wondering if you guys could help me mounting it properly. the thing is, i want this drives' space to be added to the root partition (/) |
| 23:52.38 | gog | found a bug report on the ubuntu-bugs mailing list but it's closed because it's incomplete |
| 23:53.05 | Drakeson | what do you call when a package is not equal to what you get when you apt-get source PACKAGE, and then dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 23:53.21 | abrotman | a problem? |
| 23:53.30 | JordiGH | Drakeson: What do you mean not equal? |
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| 23:54.00 | simonrvn | JordiGH: hehe |
| 23:54.03 | simonrvn | cute |
| 23:54.33 | pbn | Hello, is the Realtek ALC 1200 audio chipset supported by the current Debian 5.0 kernel ? |
| 23:54.49 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: the gyachi cam problem produces this http://pastebin.com/m215a5e23 - does it mean anything to you? |
| 23:54.53 | Drakeson | at least the dependencies (via apt-cache show PACKAGE) are not the same as what debian/control says. |
| 23:55.17 | gog | pbn: probably |
| 23:55.32 | gog | if it's ac97 or hd audio you won't have trouble |
| 23:55.36 | pbn | gog: yes but I'd like to be sure :) |
| 23:55.51 | pbn | the ALC822 is supported, that I know |
| 23:55.51 | JordiGH | Drakeson: Are you sure you're getting the same versions, your sources.list points to the same versions, your mirror is up-to-date, etc? |
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| 23:56.44 | gog | pbn: snd-hda-intel supports it |
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| 23:56.48 | Drakeson | No I am not sure. Do you have sid/amd64 ? |
| 23:56.54 | Drakeson | The versions are the same, though |
| 23:57.09 | pbn | gog: the alc1200 is supported by snd-hda-intel |
| 23:57.13 | gog | yes |
| 23:57.15 | pbn | gog: the alc1200 is supported by snd-hda-intel ? |
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| 23:57.20 | pbn | good to know !! :) |
| 23:57.27 | pbn | gonna buy a new machine now :) |
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| 23:57.34 | manoleteee | http://barbaritoso.elbruto.es <- MOST ADDICTIVE GAME EVER SINCE YETISPORTS.+ |
| 23:57.39 | manoleteee | http://barbaritoso.elbruto.es <- MOST ADDICTIVE GAME EVER SINCE YETISPORTS. |
| 23:57.46 | boghog | go away |
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| 23:58.00 | adama_ | what the hell is yetisports |
| 23:58.08 | JordiGH | Drakeson: I've got sid repos, but 2878 of my packages are from testing, only 237 from unstable |
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| 23:58.20 | JordiGH | (wow, 237, that many?) |
| 23:58.28 | JordiGH | Oh, all of KDE, right. |
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| 23:58.52 | Drakeson | JordiGH: apt-cache search libcompizconfig0 |
| 23:59.24 | JordiGH | Drakeson: What about it? I've got the testing version installed. |
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