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| 00:00.22 | Drakeson | I've 0.8.2-1, what version is yours? Also, I cannot find libcompizconfig0 in packages.debian.org |
| 00:00.23 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: here it is with the errors that pop up as well http://pastebin.com/d200f3514 |
| 00:00.41 | JordiGH | Drakeson: My installed version is 0.7.6-1 |
| 00:01.25 | Drakeson | All "deb *", and "deb-src *" lines in /etc/apt/sources.list point to the same place, and I did aptitude update a few minutes ago. |
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| 00:01.49 | JordiGH | Drakeson: What's your mirror? Try a different one? Let's see your sources.list |
| 00:01.59 | bpun | Drakeson, that's for aptitude.. u may need to do apt-get update.. for apt-cache to work right |
| 00:02.39 | Drakeson | bpun: done. still the same. |
| 00:02.48 | JordiGH | bpun: No, apt-get and aptitude use the same list of packages... |
| 00:03.02 | JordiGH | bpun: also.... |
| 00:03.05 | JordiGH | !tell bpun about u |
| 00:03.28 | Drakeson | more importantly, why I cannot find libcompizconfig0 in packages.debian.org? |
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| 00:03.46 | bpun | ignores jordigh |
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| 00:04.47 | Drakeson | JordiGH: I am using http://ftp.ca.debian.org unstable/main |
| 00:05.00 | JordiGH | blames Canada. |
| 00:05.10 | JordiGH | I think that's the Waterloo mirror, isn't it? |
| 00:05.11 | Guy^X | blames Canada too. |
| 00:05.26 | Drakeson | blames the north pole! |
| 00:05.28 | JordiGH | Drakeson: Just for kicks, try the yorku mirror. |
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| 00:05.41 | Drakeson | le me try ftp.debian.org ... |
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| 00:06.03 | Guy^X | Drakeson, We'll let you try, but only this once. |
| 00:07.05 | Drakeson | blames the whole world, now |
| 00:07.17 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: The only hint to me is "Fatal: video format not supported by grab device", can you choose videoformat for that thing? (I don't understand why it should matter to the device..) |
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| 00:08.12 | JordiGH | Drakeson: Okay, so it's definitely not the mirrors? What's the version you get in the source package? |
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| 00:08.57 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy - it's not got many options for technical stuff - I'm still going through all the menus |
| 00:08.58 | Drakeson | the exact same version number: 0.8.2-1 |
| 00:09.17 | JordiGH | Drakeson: No, I mean, in debian/control |
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| 00:09.52 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: I was hoping you'd make some sense of what the bugreport on the pcakets was about ;)] |
| 00:10.10 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Could also be that it only works with v4l (1). I'll look a little close, but I doubt it.. |
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| 00:11.16 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: ok - I'm looking for more menu options |
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| 00:12.40 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Have you confirmed that that thing works with any camera, against "webcam-server is: webcam.yahoo.com"? |
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| 00:13.30 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: no - I don't have another cam here |
| 00:13.38 | jpinx-eeepc | maybe I'll need to borrow one |
| 00:13.40 | Drakeson | JordiGH: I see something that I don't know about: debian/control has three sections: libcompizconfig, libcompizconfig-dev, libcompizconfig0. THe first one depends on libprotobuf-dev among other things. The last one's Depends says: ${shlib:Depends}. ${misc:Depends}. |
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| 00:14.03 | Drakeson | And it resolves to libprotobuf2 from that. |
| 00:14.04 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: ..and that it hasn't changed its protocol, I doubt that, that it can't use the camera, and those packets it doesn't recognice, is the same problem. |
| 00:14.38 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: there's an option to choose the webcam device - how can I decide if it's right at the default of /dev/video0 |
| 00:14.48 | JordiGH | Drakeson: Those are entries that tell dpkg "automatically fill this with whater you need to depend on, figure it out based on what you link with when building." |
| 00:15.00 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Check in linphone? |
| 00:15.04 | jetscreamer | -dev is if you want to dev on it |
| 00:15.17 | JordiGH | Drakeson: A source package can build many .debs, this one builds three, looks like it. |
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| 00:15.34 | Drakeson | Now, libprotobuf2 is not in the repos anymore, and I installed libprotobuf3 instead. The dependency has apparently resolved to libprotobuf3 when I did dpkg-buildpackage. |
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| 00:16.01 | Drakeson | so it depends on the libraries installed on the machine where it is build? |
| 00:16.09 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: dmesg(1) might show something about the device too, which it is. |
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| 00:17.09 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: linphone confirms /dev/video0 |
| 00:17.35 | sebastianffx | hi guys, i´m kind of n00b in debian, i´ve used ubuntu for a few years now, and now i´m want to switch to lenny, but i don´t know if i install normally, the grub will be erased, i have xp on a NTFS and Ubuntu in other 15 Gb partition of the same disk, will debian be able to detect and configure the grub entries for listing both O.S? |
| 00:17.37 | Drakeson | JordiGH: Is there a "systematic" or "formal" way to ask for [automatic-]rebuilding of a package then? |
| 00:18.29 | JordiGH | Drakeson: apt-get build-dep $thepackage && cd $SOURCE_TOP_DIR && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 00:18.47 | JordiGH | Drakeson: If that doesn't work, file a FTBFS bug. ;-) |
| 00:18.58 | JordiGH | Drakeson: Anyways, I forgot to ask... |
| 00:19.01 | JordiGH | !wayc Drakeson |
| 00:19.01 | dpkg | Drakeson: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
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| 00:19.54 | stdisease | Some people like to compile :p |
| 00:19.54 | Drakeson | JordiGH: I have already built and installed the package a few days ago. I am just distraught as to why this has happened. |
| 00:20.11 | JordiGH | Drakeson: And wayc |
| 00:20.12 | JordiGH | ? |
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| 00:20.28 | stdisease | me? to optimize, generally, or add my own adjustments |
| 00:20.39 | abrotman | sebastianffx: you can try .. if not you should be able to do it manually |
| 00:20.52 | abrotman | sebastianffx: the important bit is to make sure that only debian or ubuntu is managing grub |
| 00:21.07 | Drakeson | JordiGH: so, this qualifies for a FTBFS? |
| 00:21.13 | stdisease | or when the apt repo isn't as up to date as I like it to be |
| 00:21.22 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: I'm going to wait till a certain download finishes, then I'll be back |
| 00:21.29 | abrotman | Drakeson: you still didn't answer his question |
| 00:21.34 | JordiGH | Drakeson: Probably... but wayc? |
| 00:22.05 | sebastianffx | it will works if i copy the actual grub and when debian be istalled add the lines of xp? |
| 00:22.07 | ofmv | if something bonds with a bluetooth headset then breaks, does that mean your bluetooth headset is also broken? |
| 00:22.20 | Drakeson | because it didn't work, right? |
| 00:22.32 | Drakeson | or is that what you meant? |
| 00:22.33 | abrotman | Drakeson: the official package didn't work ? |
| 00:22.43 | Drakeson | YES. |
| 00:22.57 | centHOGG | OT: anybody here good with geexbox |
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| 00:23.01 | abrotman | yes it works, or yes it doesn't ? |
| 00:23.02 | Drakeson | I am not a gentoo er. |
| 00:23.04 | JordiGH | Drakeson: If the official package didn't work, then compiling the Debian source isn't going to make it work, unless you had patches in mind. |
| 00:23.28 | JordiGH | sees why compiz hasn't trickled down to testing. |
| 00:23.40 | JordiGH | thanks Drakeson for the beta-testing. ;-) |
| 00:24.33 | Drakeson | the situation is that the official didn't work so I had to compile from the source _that comes in the official debian repos_, which did work. |
| 00:24.39 | ofmv | how do you turn off that beep that sounds when you first turn on Debian? |
| 00:25.01 | JordiGH | Drakeson: Looks like you've got some bugs to file... |
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| 00:25.12 | JordiGH | (and they wonder why it's called "unstable") |
| 00:25.13 | stdisease | sebastianffx: you mean can install the grub bootloader and then add XP later, the naswer is yes |
| 00:25.23 | stdisease | *answer |
| 00:25.27 | loafers | Hi, I just installed base Debian and I'm trying to run Openbox, the wiki says I need to setup a .xintrc in my home directory. How do I do this? |
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| 00:25.52 | Drakeson | Certainly, but is there a [humilating] term for when you ask the maintainer to automatically rebuild the package? |
| 00:26.00 | Drakeson | is FTBFS what I want? |
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| 00:26.30 | ofmv | if something bonds with a bluetooth headset then breaks, does that mean your bluetooth headset is also broken? im asking because i cant bond a bluetooth headset with a system with debian on it. |
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| 00:27.02 | stdisease | loafers: see the manpage of xinit |
| 00:27.11 | loafers | stdisease, ok thanks |
| 00:27.25 | Drakeson | needs a way to channel his frustration (and lost weekend) into a bug report. |
| 00:27.51 | ofmv | this is not a very helpful channel |
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| 00:27.55 | sebastianffx | (sorry for my english), no i have xp and ubuntu on the same disk (diferent partitions), i want to delete the partition of ubuntu and install debian there, wath i´m asking is if the grub of debian will be able to detect the xp O.S |
| 00:27.57 | beardy | Drakeson: Type "AAARRRRGHHH" and go fishing. |
| 00:28.06 | Vantage | Hi, can anyone help me try and recover a raid 1 array that was originally set up by the debian installer? |
| 00:28.08 | abrotman | sebastianffx: yes |
| 00:28.10 | beardy | ofmv: Best way to get help. |
| 00:28.21 | sebastianffx | ok thanks a lot ;) |
| 00:28.24 | Stanlin | Help! what is the best Music player? |
| 00:28.30 | amphi | loafers: you can just create a file called .xinitrc in your home, containing one line, 'openbox' |
| 00:28.35 | Drakeson | Stanlin: iphone! |
| 00:28.36 | beardy | !best |
| 00:28.36 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 00:28.44 | ofmv | beardy: ironic |
| 00:28.49 | Drakeson | Stanlin: next question |
| 00:28.50 | Vantage | I'm confused between dmraid and mdadm and how they'e used by the array setup by the installer? |
| 00:29.03 | Stanlin | Help! what is the best Music player? (for debian) |
| 00:29.14 | sebastianffx | Stanlin: Amarok! |
| 00:29.17 | amphi | Stanlin: mocp! |
| 00:29.18 | abrotman | !tell Stanlin about repeat |
| 00:29.18 | JordiGH | !start an audio player war |
| 00:29.21 | Stanlin | dping amarokzor |
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| 00:29.32 | ofmv | beardy i hadnt spotted you there |
| 00:29.45 | Stanlin | abrotman: i was not repeating, just clarifying... |
| 00:29.49 | abrotman | you were repeating |
| 00:30.00 | Stanlin | chovinist |
| 00:30.18 | amphi | wonders who Chovin was |
| 00:30.20 | beardy | Stanlin: It's not a good question. Best where, for what? Most supported formats, fanciest useless GUI, what? |
| 00:30.36 | centHOGG | <xmms2 |
| 00:30.41 | amphi | ugh |
| 00:30.45 | loafers | amphi, So I create the folder .xinitrc in my home folder and inside i have a file (what type of file do i make? .txt? .sh?) that says exec openbox-session ? |
| 00:30.53 | amphi | loafers: it's a file |
| 00:31.02 | Drakeson | Stanlin: there are countless music players. minimalistic, sophisticated, nerdish looking, vintage, etc. |
| 00:31.05 | ofmv | if something bonds with a bluetooth headset then breaks, does that mean your bluetooth headset is also broken? |
| 00:31.23 | loafers | amphi, ok thanks |
| 00:31.27 | Stanlin | Drakeson: something that can play online radio and mp3 music, |
| 00:31.41 | amphi | loafers: heh, I never knew about openbox-session; I just ran openbox |
| 00:31.46 | ofmv | could anyone please help |
| 00:31.50 | Stanlin | and for gnome |
| 00:31.59 | stdisease | Stanlin: anything from mpg123 to amarok or banshee or audacious or xmms2 or or or |
| 00:32.05 | amphi | Stanlin: you might like quodlibet |
| 00:32.06 | Drakeson | Stanlin: tried amarok or, rhythmbox, or banshee? |
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| 00:32.22 | Stanlin | rhytmbox |
| 00:32.30 | Vantage | no one familiar with dmraid? |
| 00:32.38 | centHOGG | ah raid |
| 00:32.47 | centHOGG | ha |
| 00:32.52 | Drakeson | Stanlin: what was wrong with rhythmbox? |
| 00:33.02 | Stanlin | Drakeson: installing it |
| 00:33.20 | kenny8706 | noone willing to help me?! |
| 00:33.24 | Vantage | centHOGG: you know anything about it? |
| 00:33.38 | Drakeson | sorry, I don't understand. What is wrong with installing rhythmbox? |
| 00:33.39 | centHOGG | Vantage: yeah a little |
| 00:33.44 | Stanlin | kenny8706: what is the problem? |
| 00:33.52 | Drakeson | Stanlin: also, are you trolling? |
| 00:33.54 | kenny8706 | i just got a new scsi HDD for my debian machine and i was wondering if you guys could help me mounting it properly. the thing is, i want this drives' space to be added to the root partition (/) |
| 00:33.55 | stdisease | kenny8706: I'm sorry I didn't see your question. |
| 00:34.26 | dvs | kenny8706: can't be done unless you're using LVM |
| 00:34.39 | centHOGG | oh on the fly.. yeah |
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| 00:34.49 | dvs | kenny8706: you can add a subdirectory under / but not to / itself |
| 00:34.49 | Stanlin | Drakeson: im installing rithmbox, thank you |
| 00:34.50 | ofmv | HELLO ! :( |
| 00:34.59 | kenny8706 | damn! |
| 00:35.16 | kenny8706 | is there any way to setup a lvm now? |
| 00:35.20 | stdisease | ofmv: Hi |
| 00:35.22 | Stanlin | Drakeson: seems i dont have sound, but i can see the volume control on top right of gnome, how do i know if i have alsa? |
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| 00:35.33 | kenny8706 | without having to reinstall debian? |
| 00:35.39 | amphi | !tell Stanlin -about alsa checklist |
| 00:35.39 | Drakeson | dpkg -l | grep alsa ? |
| 00:35.40 | Vantage | centHOGG: For some reason my machine won't boot after an upgrade. I can boot off a live CD, but it sees the array as degraded, the problem with the systems seems to be tied to update-initramfs not completing properly. However, it won't run even in a chroot while the array is degraded |
| 00:35.40 | dpkg | ii | grep alsa 2.6-1 drakeson's private stamp collection |
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| 00:36.08 | centHOGG | Vantage: ok pm me |
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| 00:36.34 | stdisease | ofmv: if nobody answered your question, that probably means that nobody knows |
| 00:36.47 | aredhel | kenny8706, is the new drive bigger then the old / partition? |
| 00:37.09 | ofmv | stdisease: could you tell me how to find out how to get firefox installed into my applications list instead of just unzipped into some folder? |
| 00:37.21 | kenny8706 | stdisease: no, it's the EXACT same size and model |
| 00:37.28 | abrotman | ofmv: aptitude install iceweasel |
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| 00:37.50 | ofmv | so apt-get iceweasel? |
| 00:37.53 | abrotman | ofmv: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 00:38.54 | ofmv | thanks. dont know why that package doesnt come included with debian |
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| 00:39.35 | ofmv | what happened? |
| 00:39.40 | stdisease | or apt-get install iceweasel ; iceweasel *is* firefox, just with a different name |
| 00:39.57 | stew | ofmv: you mean why isn't firefox included or why isn't iceweeasel included? |
| 00:40.16 | ofmv | oh i thought iceweasel was an /installer/ |
| 00:40.44 | stdisease | ofmv: I was confused as well when I first used debian |
| 00:41.11 | stdisease | ofmv: so many people were |
| 00:41.18 | ofmv | oh ok |
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| 00:42.28 | kenny8706 | stdisease: so, any advice? i can't seem to find any info on this matter... |
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| 00:43.08 | kenny8706 | stdisease: what tool can i use to setup a LVM? |
| 00:43.47 | aredhel | kenny8706, read http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ |
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| 00:44.20 | stdisease | kenny8706: about joining your disk issue, as aredhel said |
| 00:45.27 | kenny8706 | ok, thanks you guys! i hope that helps. |
| 00:45.28 | Zarathust | i want to install debian on my eee pc via the debianeeepc |
| 00:45.38 | Zarathust | however it does not list lvm in the installer |
| 00:45.47 | Zarathust | is using lvm with an eee something bad |
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| 00:46.37 | Tramp | !tell Zarathust -about eee |
| 00:46.41 | Stanlin | why we dont have pulseaudio? |
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| 00:46.53 | abrotman | Stanlin: you have it available to you |
| 00:47.58 | Stanlin | how to use it? |
| 00:48.03 | Zarathust | what is that command supposed to do |
| 00:48.06 | Zarathust | -about eee |
| 00:48.21 | stdisease | SHUNN PulseAudio! |
| 00:48.22 | dvs | Zarathust: dpkg should have sent you a message |
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| 00:49.05 | abrotman | Stanlin: how about you read the documentation and try to do it yourself? |
| 00:49.05 | Drakeson | JordiGH: I see someone has already filed a FTBFS bug for libcompizconfig, is there a way to ask someone to automatically rebuild the package and upload it? (NMU ?) |
| 00:49.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman, can compiz be used with lxde replacing openbox ? |
| 00:50.06 | abrotman | i have no idea .. try it and see |
| 00:50.11 | Stanlin | !pulseaudio |
| 00:50.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm ok |
| 00:50.29 | Stanlin | aha!! the knowledge database is obsolete |
| 00:50.55 | Drakeson | wishes compiz could borrow some of the functionalities of openbox. |
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| 00:52.23 | JordiGH | Drakeson: Debian politics about NMUs are delicate... you should wait a while and see if it gets fixed. If not, you can do the NMU yourself. |
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| 00:52.38 | JordiGH | Drakeson: Such is life in unstable. ;-) |
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| 00:53.02 | Drakeson | sure. thanks. |
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| 00:53.25 | amphi | sh4d3sl4y3r_: 'compiz --replace' in a term should do it |
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| 00:53.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok thanks : ) |
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| 01:05.31 | abrotman | !qotd |
| 01:05.32 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already. <qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". at 236 (2009-03-12) |
| 01:05.39 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:05.39 | dpkg | <antgel__>wols_: that was my question. i have established that the best method could be to open the disc and use a small magnet to get all the 1s and 0s in the right places |
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| 01:08.24 | Zarathust | !qotd1 |
| 01:08.25 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 01:08.41 | Zarathust | !qotd2 |
| 01:08.41 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 01:10.58 | Stanlin | pulseaudio is a replacement for alsa? |
| 01:11.09 | Stanlin | how to test if arts is working? |
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| 01:11.59 | simonrvn | Stanlin: it's not a replacement |
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| 01:12.39 | Stanlin | simonrvn: how to install pulseaudio? |
| 01:12.45 | asdfqwer | can i mount a dmg file? |
| 01:12.51 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 01:12.52 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 01:13.29 | simonrvn | man aptitude |
| 01:13.40 | Stanlin | simonrvn: i cant find pulseaudio |
| 01:13.41 | abrotman | asdfqwer: that's a mac installer image |
| 01:13.48 | asdfqwer | i know |
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| 01:14.29 | asdfqwer | abrotman, could i extract it's contents and just run locally? |
| 01:14.44 | simonrvn | Stanlin: apt-cache search pulseaudio |
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| 01:16.36 | abrotman | asdfqwer: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/dmg.htm |
| 01:16.40 | abrotman | asdfqwer: google "linux dmg" |
| 01:17.28 | Drakeson | Is there a non-stupid filesystem (that excludes FAT*) that effectively removes unix permissions? I can use nfs's all_squash option to achieve that. Is there a local filesystem (or filesystem options for ext3) to achieve that? |
| 01:17.28 | asdfqwer | ya i'm researching it now and am about to mount |
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| 01:20.07 | asdfqwer | abrotman, i'm trying to install this nifty app: http://impromptu.moso.com.au/index.html |
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| 01:21.35 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:24.12 | boghog | i have a cronjob that runs very frequently (every 5 minutes) to check on the status of some daemon I run. it's caused a lot of e-mails to be generated though, is there a way to have the output for this specific cronjob be logged in a file? |
| 01:24.17 | ofmv | why does my package installer disappear when i try to press "Install Package" ? |
| 01:24.24 | boghog | s/caused/causing/ |
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| 01:25.47 | jpinx-eeepc | ofmv: have you tried from the commandline? |
| 01:25.51 | abrotman | ofmv: which version of debian is this? |
| 01:26.07 | ofmv | abrotman: the stable version |
| 01:26.11 | abrotman | boghog: you could rework the cron task to redirect to a file |
| 01:26.15 | abrotman | ofmv: which is? |
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| 01:26.31 | ofmv | abrotman: i dont knwo |
| 01:27.10 | boghog | abrotman, ah, I just realised I should probably use 'logger' for the cronjob's output |
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| 01:27.40 | jpinx-eeepc | ofmv: what does uname -a tell you? |
| 01:27.49 | Drakeson | ofmv: what is the output of cat /etc/issue |
| 01:28.30 | ofmv | 5.0 |
| 01:28.36 | abrotman | that's not what either of those say |
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| 01:29.21 | Drakeson | abrotman: isn't that lenny? |
| 01:29.28 | abrotman | that's not what /etc/issue says |
| 01:30.14 | flavioh | Hello... could someone help me to share internet with a vm, please? |
| 01:30.21 | jpinx-eeepc | ofmv: try using aptitude on the commandline to install your packages |
| 01:30.48 | ofmv | /etc/issue |
| 01:30.58 | ofmv | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 01:31.17 | Drakeson | ofmv: that's lenny. what was the problem? |
| 01:31.45 | ofmv | im trying to install skype for etch |
| 01:31.52 | ofmv | is lenny unstable? |
| 01:32.04 | centHOGG | ha |
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| 01:32.36 | abrotman | etch is not lenny |
| 01:32.40 | jpinx-eeepc | ofmv: you are running lenny |
| 01:32.47 | Drakeson | ofmv: lenny is the current stable. |
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| 01:33.15 | air_ | is 5.0.1 lenny too? |
| 01:33.40 | stdisease | Should be |
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| 01:33.49 | stew | air_: yes |
| 01:33.54 | centHOGG | OT: anybody here good with geexbox |
| 01:33.55 | gog | it's lenny an extra .1 |
| 01:34.06 | ofmv | why cant i install skype? |
| 01:34.07 | gog | it's more lenny than 5.0.0 |
| 01:34.07 | air_ | worth 1.5gb updates |
| 01:34.21 | jpinx-eeepc | ofmv: where did you get the package? |
| 01:34.21 | air_ | ofmv, because skype is evil |
| 01:34.23 | Drakeson | ofmv: is skype in the repos? |
| 01:34.28 | Drakeson | !skype |
| 01:34.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <pidgin> or <linphone> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 01:34.31 | stew | Drakeson: certainly not |
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| 01:34.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Drakeson: no |
| 01:34.43 | abrotman | centHOGG: there is a #geexbox |
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| 01:34.52 | centHOGG | dead |
| 01:34.58 | abrotman | not our problem |
| 01:35.07 | jpinx-eeepc | ofmv: skype is not opensource and is not officially supported by debian |
| 01:35.13 | enouf | gee .. good news |
| 01:35.31 | flourish | hello all, a question about slapd in debian. Which argument controls the owner of the created __db.* files in /var/lib/ldap ? |
| 01:35.40 | stew | open source or not, skype's license speicific prohibits debian from shipping it, even in non-free |
| 01:35.44 | centHOGG | who asked |
| 01:35.44 | air_ | jpinx-eeepc, may be "officially not supported" instead of "not officially supported"? |
| 01:36.03 | jpinx-eeepc | splits a few more hairs |
| 01:36.09 | air_ | :)) |
| 01:36.18 | ofmv | both of those pages are unhelpful Drakeson |
| 01:36.30 | Drakeson | ofmv: how are you installing it? if you are using their repo ("deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free"), then certainly something's wrong with them. |
| 01:36.39 | jpinx-eeepc | ofmv: go to skype.com and follow the instructions |
| 01:36.42 | gog | "officially not supported" is pretty clear |
| 01:36.44 | enouf | flourish: anything in /etc/default about it's daemon? how about looking at /usr/share/doc/>pkgname> |
| 01:37.07 | air_ | what's a good torrent client for lenny? |
| 01:37.12 | ofmv | check their repo Drakeson |
| 01:37.15 | air_ | transmission is bad |
| 01:37.24 | abrotman | transmission is fine |
| 01:37.24 | stew | air_: rtorrent |
| 01:37.29 | air_ | it doesn't even check properly what's downloaded already |
| 01:37.37 | air_ | thx stew |
| 01:37.54 | Drakeson | ofmv: _you_ are trying to install it, not me ;) |
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| 01:38.49 | ofmv | Drakeson: that page is no longer valid |
| 01:39.01 | stdisease | transmission works well for me |
| 01:39.08 | air_ | if it works alone |
| 01:39.12 | jpinx-eeepc | ofmv: http://skype.com |
| 01:39.25 | stdisease | 1.51 from sid, svn on the other sid |
| 01:39.26 | stew | ofmv: if you think there is a better url for that factoid, tell us and we'll update it |
| 01:39.28 | Drakeson | ofmv: I haven't used skype in ages. I really cannot help you. |
| 01:39.34 | ofmv | jpinx-eeepc: thats where i went in the first place |
| 01:39.48 | jpinx-eeepc | ofmv: what is your question then? |
| 01:40.30 | ofmv | my question is why cant i install an etch skype package on lenny? |
| 01:40.31 | centHOGG | time for dos games... splater |
| 01:40.37 | stdisease | air_: why isn't working for you? Do you mean the UI? You can use the daemon and control through a browser |
| 01:40.38 | stew | ofmv: try http://support.skype.com/ |
| 01:41.10 | air_ | stdisease, i downloaded half the torrent with utorrent, then rebooted into debian and started transmission |
| 01:41.28 | air_ | it just didn't even want to check properly what's already downloaded |
| 01:41.41 | jpinx-eeepc | ofmv: what command are you using and what error do you get? |
| 01:41.45 | Stanlin | is there skype 64 bits? |
| 01:41.51 | Stanlin | apt-get install skype aint working |
| 01:41.58 | ofmv | im using the package installer jpinx-eeepc |
| 01:42.00 | stew | Stanlin: skype isn't distributed by debian |
| 01:42.13 | ofmv | stew no kidding |
| 01:42.44 | jpinx-eeepc | ofmv: you need to download skype and install it by hand from the command line |
| 01:43.05 | ofmv | ok jpinx-eeepc. how do i do that? |
| 01:43.13 | flourish | enouf: thanks, but the daemon does not the case |
| 01:43.29 | boghog | how does aptitude deal with configuration files when upgrading a package? for example say if a new version of apache ever requires a critical change in its configuration files, assuming it wont simply overwrite my current configuration, how would it ensure I am aware that I need to update them by hand? |
| 01:43.54 | stew | ofmv: try following the instructions at skype.com. if you can't, try asking for help at http://support.skype.com |
| 01:44.04 | ofmv | stew please stop |
| 01:44.05 | bpun | boghog, it should ask u if u want to overwrite... |
| 01:44.06 | boghog | or should I simply look out for these things myself, i.e. read a changelog before updating an important package like apache |
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| 01:44.16 | boghog | bpun, ah cool, thats okay I guess |
| 01:44.21 | bpun | ofmv, skype is nonfree |
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| 01:44.38 | enouf | flourish: i'm just not familiar with slapd at all, but the 'd' in slapd implies a daemon |
| 01:45.11 | enouf | flourish: i have no idea which files you are referring to .. nor how any args can influence owner/perms |
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| 01:45.32 | ofmv | jpinx-eeepc: how do i dot that? |
| 01:45.36 | jpinx-eeepc | ofmv: I did tell you it is not supported |
| 01:46.00 | simonrvn | flourish: check /etc/default/slapd |
| 01:46.17 | simonrvn | flourish: IIRC it's -u and -g. man slapd |
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| 01:46.34 | simonrvn | flourish: you could have checked there *first* |
| 01:46.42 | ofmv | jpinx-eeepc: how do i install from the command line? |
| 01:46.46 | stew | ofmv: look: http://support.skype.com/en_US/faq/FA195/Skype-for-Linux-does-not-work-for-me-Where-can-I-get-my-questions-answered?frompage=category |
| 01:46.56 | enouf | flourish: perhaps you want to review which users are in which groups, depending on how auth takes place 'groups' or 'id' commands should do; otherwise; 'getent passwd username' and 'getent group username' IINM |
| 01:47.34 | jpinx-eeepc | ofmv: http://support.skype.com/en/category/SKYPE_FOR_LINUX/ |
| 01:47.50 | enouf | flourish: to clarify hopefully 'getent passwd <username>' and 'getent group <username>' IINM |
| 01:48.21 | ofmv | Feedback and support are provided through Skype forums by other users and Skype staff. Feel free to post your questions and comments in the Skype for Linux forum. Was this useful? |
| 01:48.21 | ofmv | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.13 | enouf | though that'll really only reveal login shell and userid,groupid; if any for that user |
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| 01:49.28 | ofmv | could someone please tell me how to install a deb package from the terminal? |
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| 01:49.50 | simonrvn | ofmv: could you not paste in tabs? |
| 01:49.51 | unop | man dpkg # /install |
| 01:50.01 | enouf | the user's /home and their name, etc if any - man chfn |
| 01:50.09 | aarkerio | hi ! I am getting: |
| 01:50.10 | aarkerio | touch: setting times of `/var/log/dpkg.log': Bad address |
| 01:50.10 | aarkerio | dpkg: error processing dpkg (--configure): |
| 01:50.10 | dpkg | aarkerio: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 01:50.27 | stew | ofmv: "aptitude install packagename" if you are getting it from a repository, or "dpkg -i foo.deb" if you have a .deb |
| 01:50.33 | enouf | dpkg: you are one smart cookie |
| 01:50.33 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 01:50.37 | enouf | ;-) |
| 01:50.47 | ofmv | thanks stew |
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| 01:51.17 | enouf | ofmv: if you have a .deb, consider it has dependencies which need installing too |
| 01:51.18 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 01:51.48 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell ofmv about dpkg |
| 01:52.15 | Stanlin | what is better XEN or ESXI? |
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| 01:54.12 | aarkerio | hi! do anybody help me: |
| 01:54.13 | aarkerio | http://paste.debian.net/34088/ |
| 01:54.34 | Stanlin | help! why hibernation doesnt work?? |
| 01:55.09 | abrotman | !tell Stanlin about ask |
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| 01:56.06 | Stanlin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:57.13 | jpinx-eeepc | aarkerio: look for that log for dpkg |
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| 01:57.32 | jpinx-eeepc | aarkerio: it appears to have a problem - read the error yourself and work it out |
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| 02:00.20 | aarkerio | that log does not show any wrong: |
| 02:00.21 | aarkerio | http://paste.debian.net/34089/ |
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| 02:00.30 | dick-richardson | I have a cli install only, is there a method to read the ups status? |
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| 02:01.20 | bpun | dick-richardson, i used to use an apc ups.. i believe u needed to load a module and install the apcups server |
| 02:01.34 | abrotman | dick-richardson: probably depends how it's connected .. usb or serial |
| 02:01.40 | Stanlin | hello? |
| 02:01.49 | dick-richardson | it's connected via usb |
| 02:02.42 | abrotman | dick-richardson: apt-cache search ups usb monitor |
| 02:02.43 | maxagaz | how to enable a user to user this command "sudo /etc/init.d/samba reload" and only this one (I don't even want him to be able to run 'restart') ? |
| 02:03.10 | abrotman | maxagaz: in ubuntu? |
| 02:03.19 | dick-richardson | abrotman, bpun, thank you! |
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| 02:03.38 | maxagaz | abrotman, in debian and ubuntu actually |
| 02:03.44 | bpun | dick-richardson, i didnt say anything special.. but nways .. |
| 02:03.48 | stew | maxagaz: man sudoers |
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| 02:05.12 | abrotman | speaking of .. i need to file a bug on lenny's samba package .. using the packager smb.conf the silly thing doesn't start 25% of the time i'd say |
| 02:05.16 | abrotman | or crashes after starting |
| 02:05.18 | maxagaz | stew, i can set it in sudoers for commands, like allowing a user to run '/etc/init.d/samba', but it seems that i can't allow him to use only '/etc/init.d/samba reload' |
| 02:05.49 | stew | maxagaz: oh, then make a script that does '/etc/init.d/samba reload' and give them access to that script |
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| 02:07.03 | Stanlin | yohoo |
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| 02:07.24 | jpinx-eeepc | maxagaz: I think you can - you need to read the detail of man sudoers |
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| 02:08.34 | yitz_ | What was the name of that standard toolfor managing init.d symlinks? |
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| 02:10.12 | abrotman | yitz_: update-rc.d |
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| 02:10.27 | yitz_ | Thanks |
| 02:10.27 | Stanlin | s.o.s. |
| 02:10.28 | maxagaz | jpinx-eeepc, i can't find any example of that kind |
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| 02:12.28 | bpun | yitz_, u can also use sysvconfig and sysv-rc-conf |
| 02:12.47 | bpun | yitz_, but they're not probably installed by default |
| 02:13.01 | stephanx | Hell o everybody. |
| 02:14.56 | stephanx | what;s is the better program used to setup and maintain the quota, i've activated it since the first installation in the kernel |
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| 02:15.26 | stephanx | the systems quota for users? |
| 02:15.28 | jpinx-eeepc | maxagaz: http://debaan.blogspot.com/2007/02/sudo-sudoers-examples.html |
| 02:16.05 | jpinx-eeepc | maxagaz: not sure exactly what you're trying to do, but that should allow you to construct the file as you need |
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| 02:18.28 | enouf | yitz_: /msg dpkg rcconf (as well) |
| 02:18.59 | aarkerio | there is a way to force installation harder than "dpkg -i --roce-all" ? |
| 02:19.30 | enouf | aarkerio: stop forcing it .. see file:///usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz though .. |
| 02:19.39 | stew | aarkerio: you should not use --force-anything unless you know exactly what you are doing. why would you want to force something? |
| 02:19.45 | yitz_ | Thanks. I used update-rc.d |
| 02:20.12 | enouf | yitz_: note; upon update/upgrade new symlinks will be placed back and service restored |
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| 02:20.49 | aarkerio | stew, http://paste.debian.net/34088/ |
| 02:20.52 | yitz_ | enouf: The man page says if you put in a kill link, it won't be overwritten |
| 02:20.58 | yitz_ | (update-rc.d) |
| 02:21.06 | enouf | yitz_: if you really don't want a service around, "... --purge remove ..." it |
| 02:21.17 | stephanx | a quota how to? |
| 02:21.37 | enouf | yitz_: it's not that the KNN gets overwritten, but new SNN get added |
| 02:21.45 | Zarathust | the installer manual says |
| 02:21.45 | Zarathust | # |
| 02:21.45 | Zarathust | Using an empty USB device, do zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX (where sdX is the device your USB media is using) |
| 02:21.45 | Zarathust | # Mount the USB device (i.e. /dev/sdX, not /dev/sdX1) and copy the ISO image to it. |
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| 02:21.47 | abrotman | aarkerio: can you paste your sources.list also |
| 02:21.49 | Zarathust | ok ok sorry |
| 02:22.01 | Zarathust | per copy they mean with cp ? |
| 02:22.12 | maxagaz | jpinx-eeepc, thanks a lot |
| 02:22.19 | Zarathust | that seems weird to copy an iso file with cp |
| 02:22.28 | jpinx-eeepc | maxagaz: no problem - did it work? |
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| 02:22.39 | maxagaz | jpinx-eeepc, i'm trying it right now |
| 02:22.46 | maxagaz | jpinx-eeepc, i'll keep you informed |
| 02:22.47 | enouf | yitz_: a workaround is to rename the symlinks yourself |
| 02:22.50 | jpinx-eeepc | good luck ;) |
| 02:23.02 | aarkerio | my sources.list file: |
| 02:23.03 | aarkerio | http://paste.debian.net/34091/ |
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| 02:23.24 | yitz_ | enouf: Not true. "If any files /etc/rcrunlevel.d/[SK]??name already exist then update-rc.d does nothing." |
| 02:23.57 | enouf | yitz_: update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d (which is runlevel specific) are generally meant for maintainers and their pkg .{post,pre}{inst,rm} scripts |
| 02:24.02 | yitz_ | enouf: The correct way to disable services is to configure the service as stopped in all runlevels in which it is started by default. |
| 02:24.06 | enouf | yitz_: wrong |
| 02:24.10 | yitz_ | (from the man page) |
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| 02:24.13 | DasEi | Stanlin: whats up ? |
| 02:24.51 | yitz_ | enouf: Those were both quotes from ''man update-rc.d'' |
| 02:24.54 | enouf | yitz_: go ahead, stop it (KNN) in all runlevels, then upgrade the pkg |
| 02:25.18 | enouf | yitz_: which release are we talking about? and versions? |
| 02:25.22 | aarkerio | the real problem is that the problem is on dpkg package |
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| 02:25.49 | yitz_ | Um. This is the '05 man page |
| 02:25.55 | yitz_ | Debian Project 14 November 2005 UPDATE-RC.D(8) |
| 02:25.57 | enouf | yitz_: update-rc.d defaults always uses S |
| 02:26.25 | enouf | er S29 |
| 02:26.31 | enouf | er S30 |
| 02:26.35 | enouf | CRAP@! |
| 02:26.39 | enouf | S20 |
| 02:26.42 | enouf | there |
| 02:27.00 | enouf | stupid fucken server ergonomic Dellio keyboard |
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| 02:27.17 | Gm4n | is there a newer mysql package than 5.0 in lenny? |
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| 02:27.29 | abrotman | judd: versions mysql-server-5.0 |
| 02:27.30 | judd | abrotman: mysql-server-5.0 -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-23~bpo40+1 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 squeeze: 5.0.51a-24 sid: 5.0.77-1 |
| 02:27.39 | abrotman | yes .. 5.0.51a! |
| 02:27.48 | Gm4n | aha, thanks =) |
| 02:28.15 | aarkerio | there is a way to reinit dpkg ? |
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| 02:29.01 | enouf | fucken numlock is stuck in uparrow pos .. cauyse of stupid weird Mouse, and <-- and --> buttons stuck smack in the middle of where the keys would be in the center |
| 02:29.04 | bpun | yitz_, u can ask me here... |
| 02:29.19 | bpun | yitz_, u should get used to using update-rc.d if u want to use it often ... |
| 02:29.40 | enouf | yitz_: wonderful .. now try it |
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| 02:31.00 | enouf | yitz_: take a look at debconf2007 and 2008 and insserv pkgs |
| 02:31.32 | bpun | enouf, he pissing in your backyard? yikes! lol |
| 02:32.06 | enouf | bpun: this fucken keyboard is about to go for a flight across the room .. and hit a solid concrete wall |
| 02:32.20 | enouf | i can't get numlock engaged ... |
| 02:32.22 | abrotman | enouf: i thought you lived in a padded room? :) |
| 02:32.24 | bpun | enouf, sounds like that shifty sticky keys problem.. |
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| 02:32.47 | enouf | abrotman: no, the straightjacket that protects others :-) |
| 02:32.54 | enouf | it's* |
| 02:32.58 | yitz_ | Darn. cpufrequtils aren't working for me :( |
| 02:33.09 | abrotman | enouf: there is an app that will let you manipulate the numlock via commands instead of the button |
| 02:33.13 | enouf | bpun: working on it ... hard to do while giving support |
| 02:33.26 | abrotman | or there used to be ... |
| 02:33.28 | lunaphyte | where do disk/partition uuids live? |
| 02:33.37 | abrotman | !tell lunaphyte about uuid |
| 02:34.16 | enouf | abrotman: i just have to remember to press the stupid "this" button then "that button combination" to get it back to normal; .. just aggravating |
| 02:34.36 | lunaphyte | abrotman: sorry - i meant where are the actual values stored - e.g. labels are stored in the ext header. |
| 02:34.37 | enouf | use blkid if you like lunaphyte_ |
| 02:34.54 | enouf | lunaphyte_: within the FStype metadata |
| 02:34.58 | bpun | enouf, anything but keyboard and tty1.. i can't stand those problems haha |
| 02:35.28 | enouf | lunaphyte_: the superblock if you like |
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| 02:36.05 | enouf | lunaphyte_: ls /dev/disk/by-* are all symlinks generated via udev magic and kernel goodies |
| 02:37.26 | lunaphyte | how is it that a swap partition can have a uuid, but cannot be given a label? |
| 02:39.00 | enouf | lunaphyte_: er ... hrm .. because it's not considered a FSType .. or .. it doesn't get "mounted" |
| 02:39.27 | enouf | it is indeed a FStype and does have a specific partitionID .. so that was incorrect |
| 02:39.41 | lunaphyte | ah - i think i see the mistake i was making. |
| 02:39.50 | lunaphyte | mkswap -L |
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| 02:42.32 | air_ | yay... i found good torrent client |
| 02:42.37 | air_ | azureus |
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| 02:43.15 | mythomaniac | anyone know if the debian.user.forum is going to be backup? |
| 02:44.17 | mythomaniac | oh never mind, i guess it states now that it will be backup... they just have to fix a few things |
| 02:44.25 | abrotman | mythomaniac: not sure they've decided yet |
| 02:45.07 | mythomaniac | abrotman, Work is underway to restore this service. It has been temporarily disabled.... |
| 02:45.12 | abrotman | i see what it says ... |
| 02:45.16 | mythomaniac | so it says |
| 02:45.19 | mythomaniac | ah ok |
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| 02:45.55 | mythomaniac | abrotman, but you think they might not restore it though? |
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| 02:46.20 | abrotman | mythomaniac: i'm not one of hte admins .. jsut that the email says they weren't sure |
| 02:46.56 | mythomaniac | abrotman, ah ok, i would hate to see it go, for it was a really nice debian-centric site ;( |
| 02:47.03 | abrotman | !forum |
| 02:47.03 | dpkg | from memory, forums is http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianhelp.org/ http://www.debianplanet.org/, or http://www.debianforums.org (basically dead) |
| 02:47.14 | abrotman | guess the rest are mostly dead ? |
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| 02:47.41 | mythomaniac | abrotman, yeah, they were not as active as the debian.user one |
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| 02:48.52 | mythomaniac | and the one one still alife is: http://www.debianhelp.org/ |
| 02:48.56 | mythomaniac | alive |
| 02:48.57 | Stanlin | abrotman: what do you use as hypervisor ? |
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| 02:49.50 | abrotman | Stanlin: use the one you want |
| 02:50.02 | Stanlin | abrotman: but i want to use what you use |
| 02:50.15 | abrotman | that's irrational |
| 02:50.38 | maxagaz | how to get a list of local users with their informations the same way I do 'ls -l' ? |
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| 02:50.50 | Stanlin | lol... you must be a pentium |
| 02:51.46 | Dominicus | I have been using debian for months now. Somewhat recently, I did an "aptitude clean", but I'm not sure if it's the source of trouble to me not being able to remove or purge acpid. My system has 1.0.8-6 deb package installed, but because of the "aptitude clean" it doesn't exist anymore. I have already downloaded the 1.0.8-7 deb version, but aptitude, apt-get, and dpkg aren't budging to let... |
| 02:51.48 | Dominicus | ...me get past this acpid package issue. And, I can't even use aptitude to install other packages with it being broke like this, from what I can tell. I think at the same time, my system upgraded from kernel 2.6.26-1-686 to kernel-2.6.26-2-686. And, lots of things are just broken in general now as well. Any ideas? |
| 02:53.36 | abrotman | show us the error when you try to remove it |
| 02:53.40 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:53.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 02:55.11 | Dominicus | abrotman: sweet. gimme a sec, up until 60 seconds ago, I didn't have X working again. |
| 02:55.59 | Stanlin | does eclipse makes perl? |
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| 03:04.45 | aarkerio | hi! do anybody is on squezee ? |
| 03:05.45 | Stanlin | how to test if hibernation is failing? it just simple fails |
| 03:05.57 | aarkerio | can do: "touch somefile.txt" |
| 03:06.00 | Stanlin | i mean its a laptop, needs to sleep while i walk |
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| 03:06.35 | DasEi | darkbulb, man ethtool |
| 03:08.24 | Dominicus | abrotman: Here's my acpid issue regarding not being able to reinstall, remove, or purge using aptitude, and some other methods... http://pastebin.com/m17502d90 If anyone has any insight, I'd love to hear it and learn from it. thanks. |
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| 03:09.07 | aarkerio | I am in squeeze and if I type "touch somefile.txt" I get: |
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| 03:09.14 | aarkerio | touch: setting times of `somefile.txt': Bad address |
| 03:09.16 | Hector | Hi |
| 03:09.19 | Stanlin | Help, i have his problem http://pastebin.com/m6f52d6d9 |
| 03:09.26 | Hector | I have a question about linux? |
| 03:09.29 | Hector | *. |
| 03:09.38 | ofmv | i thought the advantage of debian over ubuntu was that it was more stable, but all im getting are errors and unresponsiveness |
| 03:09.41 | Hector | Why is linux so much less unstable compared to Windows |
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| 03:10.22 | Hector | I've tried 90% of the distro's and they all run scathingly slow compared to Vista |
| 03:10.23 | Stanlin | helo? |
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| 03:10.51 | Dominicus | And, I have already tried installing the acpid 1.0.8-8 version from unstable. Same kind of issue being reported. The old version refuses to be removed, so nothing new is able to be put into it's place. |
| 03:10.51 | ofmv | Hector: you're kidding? |
| 03:10.57 | Hector | No, I'm serious. |
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| 03:11.39 | Stanlin | Hector: what is your hardware? in my laptop Vista runs 400% slower than Debian |
| 03:11.56 | ofmv | hector try ubuntu |
| 03:12.01 | Hector | I have a PIII 1.0GHZ 2GB ram laptop, and AMD 5000+ desktop |
| 03:12.17 | Hector | I've tried Ubuntu, Vista loads 30 seconds faster |
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| 03:12.30 | manu_hack | Hector: load? |
| 03:12.30 | Stanlin | Hector: Vista was designed for Core Quad with 3GHZ and 16 GB RAM, your crappie box is nothing for vista |
| 03:12.50 | Hector | I've also tried it on a q6600 with 8gb ram |
| 03:12.52 | shinwa | i think he means boot |
| 03:12.57 | shinwa | instead of load |
| 03:12.57 | Hector | and 74gb raptors in raid 0 |
| 03:13.20 | Stanlin | Hector: then why you dont use Vista? seems you like it |
| 03:13.33 | Hector | I'm trying to understand why so many people <3 linux |
| 03:13.42 | Hector | Claims of more stable, faster, secure |
| 03:13.50 | Stanlin | Hector: simple, its 4x faster than Vista ;) |
| 03:13.51 | Hector | but all of them seem to be false |
| 03:13.59 | Hector | plus the debian kernel panics a lot |
| 03:14.24 | Stanlin | Hector: right, you changed my life.... |
| 03:14.28 | manu_hack | just stay with Vista then |
| 03:14.33 | Hector | See you say that, but field tests on multiple rigs say otherwise |
| 03:14.48 | Hector | You should switch to vista? |
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| 03:15.03 | Hector | Will you buy my copies of Vista Ultimate for sale on ebay? |
| 03:15.08 | Hector | I have 12 copies available |
| 03:15.12 | Stanlin | Hector: why, Vista is 400% slower than Debian |
| 03:15.12 | Hector | next day shipping, only $10 |
| 03:15.28 | Hector | Actually, it's -214% slower than debian |
| 03:15.37 | Stanlin | Hector: sure, ill give you my Credit Card info by private message |
| 03:15.38 | Hector | I'll give you a discount for buying 2+ copies |
| 03:15.45 | manu_hack | Hector: I have duel boot, and Vista sucks, performs much worse |
| 03:16.00 | Hector | You must have it configured wrong |
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| 03:16.24 | Stanlin | Hector: You must have it configured wrong! |
| 03:16.31 | Stanlin | lol |
| 03:16.39 | Hector | Any why the heck does apt-get keep crashing on me, no error messages |
| 03:16.54 | Hector | at least windows update works |
| 03:16.57 | Stanlin | Hector: You must have it configured wrong! |
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| 03:17.13 | Hector | No, I have a PhD in Computer Science and I teach at UC Berkeley |
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| 03:17.37 | Hector | I am at a conference at another UC now; speaking on behalf of Microsoft |
| 03:17.40 | Stanlin | Hector: and you sell on Ebay for food? LOL |
| 03:17.42 | Hector | on Why it needs to absorb linux |
| 03:17.54 | Hector | I get them for free; I sell them for you guys |
| 03:17.56 | Hector | at half price |
| 03:18.04 | tty | shut up |
| 03:18.05 | Dominicus | *coughs Off Topic* |
| 03:18.14 | Hector | He's right. |
| 03:18.21 | Hector | You should switch to Vista |
| 03:18.26 | Hector | check out my ebay listing |
| 03:18.34 | manu_hack | enough I think |
| 03:18.42 | Hector | BITCHES! UC IRVINE FTW |
| 03:18.52 | Stanlin | Hector: i got Vista for free in my laptop, i just installed Debian, and wiped pansy Vista crap out of my system. |
| 03:19.01 | manu_hack | gone |
| 03:19.11 | Dominicus | wishes Hector were banned for a day for spamming the slew of us. |
| 03:19.30 | manu_hack | Stanlin: I kept Vista only for presentation and such |
| 03:19.43 | Stanlin | yeh yeh PhD spamming IRC channels... sure... |
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| 03:20.49 | Stanlin | manu_hack: i dont believe on double booting |
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| 03:21.15 | TheUniverses | just use whatever u want to use |
| 03:21.52 | Zarathust | i fail at making a usb bootable |
| 03:22.50 | Zarathust | i downloaded the boot.img.gz from the mirrors, then used zcat ~/boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc |
| 03:23.04 | Zarathust | then bang, according to every howto tutorial and logbook it should boot |
| 03:23.06 | Zarathust | but it doesnt |
| 03:23.21 | Dominicus | So, here's my issue regarding not being able to reinstall, remove, or purge acpid using aptitude, and some other methods... http://pastebin.com/m17502d90 acpid at the point is blocking even reinstalls of other stuff. I haven't a clue how to work around it. Can anyone help? |
| 03:26.04 | Zarathust | I also tried dd if=boot.img of=/dev/sdc but it doesnt make it bootable either |
| 03:26.04 | Stanlin | Help plz, i have his problem http://pastebin.com/m6f52d6d9 |
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| 03:30.39 | bpun | Zarathust, does ur bios support usb boot? |
| 03:30.44 | Zarathust | yes |
| 03:31.06 | Zarathust | it worked with the debian-eeepc.img but for some reason it doesnt work with the debian installer |
| 03:32.25 | bpun | Zarathust, what link was it? |
| 03:32.41 | bpun | Zarathust, you're trying it on an eeepc? |
| 03:32.46 | Zarathust | yes |
| 03:33.16 | bpun | Zarathust, is it intel or atom? |
| 03:33.27 | Zarathust | the eeepc 901 has 2 drives, one 4g and a 16g so i want to use lvm to merge the 2 together |
| 03:33.27 | Zarathust | atom |
| 03:33.29 | bpun | i mean celeron or atom.. |
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| 03:33.38 | Zarathust | yeah, both are intel ^^ |
| 03:33.39 | bpun | Zarathust, what link was it? |
| 03:34.02 | Zarathust | http://eeepc.debian.net/debian/images/debian-eeepc.img |
| 03:34.11 | |unjustice| | what is the command to inactivate a raid array without uninstalling or removing array for later use? mdadm --fail? |
| 03:34.15 | bpun | Zarathust, thought u said that one worked |
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| 03:34.46 | Zarathust | yes, the one which does not work is at ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media |
| 03:35.14 | Zarathust | if i use dd then formatting is irrelevant right? |
| 03:35.34 | Zarathust | if i use dd twice, do i have to use like fdisk between the 2 times? |
| 03:36.36 | air_ | to remove and create partitions? |
| 03:37.03 | bpun | Zarathust, u sure that *i386* supposedly supports atom archicture? |
| 03:37.09 | Rythum | hello guys, I'm trying to start a remote X through VNC, I included "startx" on /root/.vnc/xstartup but when I connect nothing happen, I just got a screen with no terminal, neither an X, any idea? |
| 03:38.03 | Zarathust | its the following page that told me about the i386 version http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller |
| 03:38.11 | bpun | Rythum, x needs to run first before vnc.. |
| 03:38.19 | Zarathust | maybe i should try another mirror |
| 03:38.35 | bpun | Zarathust, as long as the doc says it's for atom architecture.. |
| 03:38.55 | bpun | Zarathust, i'm not familiar with atom.. perhaps the i386 doesn't include atom |
| 03:39.48 | pl4yer0ne | atom is x86 |
| 03:40.08 | Rythum | bpun, it seems the X is already started, I got the message "Server is already active for display 0" when type "startx" |
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| 03:40.35 | stephanx | who can recommend me a program to user quotas |
| 03:41.00 | Zarathust | well i'm following the wiki blindly here |
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| 03:42.23 | bpun | Zarathust, how did u unzip the .gz file? |
| 03:42.40 | bpun | Zarathust, u can also do zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX |
| 03:42.49 | Stanlin | Help plz, i have his problem http://pastebin.com/m6f52d6d9 |
| 03:42.50 | Zarathust | yes, that's what i did |
| 03:43.28 | esaym | does the binary nvidia drivers compile on the 2.6-29 kernel in sid? |
| 03:44.01 | bpun | Zarathust, what are u supposed to do with the netinst iso? |
| 03:44.10 | bpun | Zarathust, can u attach a cd-rom drive to it? |
| 03:44.30 | cast | bpun: s/ u / you / :( |
| 03:44.38 | Zarathust | i dont have usb cdrom unfortunately |
| 03:45.04 | Zarathust | maybe i could hack something with a usb enclosure and some old ide... |
| 03:45.05 | Stanlin | Zarathust: what are you trying to do ? |
| 03:45.16 | Zarathust | installing debian |
| 03:45.32 | Zarathust | im stuck at step -1, make a bootable usb stick |
| 03:45.40 | Zarathust | god i feel so dumb |
| 03:45.44 | Stanlin | Zarathust: on eee? |
| 03:45.47 | Zarathust | yeah |
| 03:45.57 | Stanlin | Zarathust: thats easy, use PXE |
| 03:46.00 | bpun | Zarathust, so burn the netinst iso on another machine? |
| 03:46.36 | bpun | Zarathust, try another usb device... |
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| 03:46.48 | Stanlin | Zarathust: setup pxe in another computer, copy the net iso ramdisk and linux files, plug the eee to the network, boot from lan, install |
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| 03:47.25 | Zarathust | lol |
| 03:47.36 | Zarathust | ok, i'll check that out |
| 03:47.42 | bpun | Zarathust, question is if ur atom laptop supports boot over network from bios |
| 03:47.50 | Zarathust | i think it does |
| 03:48.02 | Zarathust | i've seen that option in the bios but its disabled right now |
| 03:48.55 | Stanlin | yeah all eee pc boots from lan |
| 03:49.21 | Stanlin | i had one, i gave it my daughter, and got a real laptop |
| 03:49.24 | Zarathust | but making a usb bootable is like easier than trivial usually |
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| 03:52.49 | Baneo | would changing a directory for a user by editing /etc/passwd and then reuploading prevent you from sshing to the box? |
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| 03:53.27 | cast | reuploading what? |
| 03:53.36 | Baneo | sorry changing the changes |
| 03:53.38 | Baneo | saving* |
| 03:53.39 | Baneo | damn |
| 03:54.41 | cast | if all you did was change the homedir then i would have thought it would still work |
| 03:55.03 | Baneo | yeah - ssh is randomly giving me access denied right after i've just done that |
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| 03:55.25 | cast | if one made a typo in the passwd line though, that would make sense |
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| 03:57.15 | Baneo | yeah, that didn't happen :D |
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| 04:01.53 | Mood | how do you get persistent wallpaper using fbsetbg? everytime i restart x or fluxbox, my background image clears. |
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| 04:02.18 | Mood | i've modified both .fluxbox/init and .fluxbox/startup... neither work |
| 04:02.49 | |unjustice| | if I fail a drive in a RAID array, it will make the RAID inactive, that way I can remove the drive; however, will my computer still start if md0 is not found by init.d? |
| 04:02.52 | Mood | i've installed feh, and fbsetbg works on commandline: fbsetbg -f /home/me/image.jpg... but everytime i restartx it fails |
| 04:03.53 | jerojasro | hi all. how can I install the java plugin for iceweasel? (Im using debian squeeze) |
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| 04:04.54 | air_ | what did they change in firefox so it's called iceweasel? |
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| 04:05.27 | Mood | jerojasro: java-common? |
| 04:05.41 | Mood | air_: iceweasel entry on wikipedia has nice explanation |
| 04:05.54 | air_ | aw |
| 04:05.58 | jerojasro | Mood: java-common it is already installed |
| 04:06.35 | eyeris | I am using us.debian.org to update my sid system. I just ran dist-upgrade and now apt-get complains that linux-image-amd64 require unavailable package linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64. Am I stuck waiting for the mirrors to get that package? |
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| 04:07.50 | Rusty1 | jerojasro: java or javascript? |
| 04:07.56 | jerojasro | Rusty1: java |
| 04:08.09 | jerojasro | i need a site that uses a bunch of applets |
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| 04:08.29 | Mood | jerojasro: sun-java6-jre? |
| 04:09.12 | Mood | anyone familiar with debian, fluxbox, and wallpapers? i'm using fbsetbg to set background, but it disappears everytime i restart x |
| 04:09.18 | jerojasro | Mood: that aint installed ;) let's hope that fixes it |
| 04:09.27 | Mood | jerojasro: good luck ;-) |
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| 04:09.30 | yoshimit | Hi there... I'm trying to make some vms with xen, but everytime that I ifup my xenbr0 I lost internet connection... any thoughts ?? thank you. |
| 04:09.34 | cast | Mood: could try fluxbox chan |
| 04:09.48 | Mood | cast: hmm... i should've known... thx |
| 04:11.34 | Stanlin | Help plz, i have his problem http://pastebin.com/m6f52d6d9 |
| 04:11.38 | eyeris | Mood stick it in your .xinitrc? |
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| 04:12.49 | Mood | eyeris: hmm... seems kinda like a workaround... was hoping for a .fluxbox/* solution. but i will try your suggestion |
| 04:13.26 | melia | yoshimit dhclient interface ej eth0 |
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| 04:14.40 | eyeris | Does anyone have a solution for bug #524911? |
| 04:16.22 | yoshimit | melia: ? |
| 04:16.29 | yoshimit | melia: sorry... dont get it... |
| 04:16.29 | Zarathust | rofl |
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| 04:16.44 | Zarathust | if i change usb slot between boots then the usb drive is detected |
| 04:17.13 | air_ | Mood, so it's same old ff but with logo replaced and updates from different place? |
| 04:17.50 | air_ | how long does it usually take until ff update becomes iceweasel update? |
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| 04:20.45 | melia | dhclient eth0 |
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| 04:21.26 | yoshimit | melia: ahh... dont work... I got the same IP and no internet |
| 04:21.38 | yoshimit | melia: I just ifdown xenbr0 and got internet again... |
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| 04:22.12 | Mood | air_: just use iceweasel for the time being. if development ceases, you'll know. it's identical to FF. unless you are using FF for air traffic controlling, or medical procedures, you should be safe for an indeterminate amount of time |
| 04:24.13 | darkbulb | how do I disable autoneociation on the ethernet port |
| 04:24.24 | air_ | Mood, i always used ff, installed debian, here it's iceweasel and epithany, ain't looking towards migrating to any other browser :) |
| 04:25.53 | air_ | yeah, also konqueror when in kde |
| 04:26.16 | bpun | darkbulb, see interfaces.. man interfaces may say |
| 04:26.48 | yoshimit | melia: any more thoughts ? |
| 04:27.24 | |unjustice| | Wyzard: |
| 04:27.31 | |unjustice| | Wyzard: you there? |
| 04:27.34 | Wyzard | I'm here |
| 04:27.49 | melia | and you add BRIDGE=xenbr0 in ifcg-eth0 |
| 04:28.30 | |unjustice| | if I fail one drive from my RAID array will it become inactive, and will md0 load when I start up my computer |
| 04:28.35 | |unjustice| | Wyzard: ? |
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| 04:29.00 | yoshimit | melia: only add 'bridge_portseth0' on xenbr0 part... |
| 04:29.12 | |unjustice| | if md0 has root filesystem on it in a RAID 1 Mirror |
| 04:29.24 | yoshimit | melia: I meant... in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:29.56 | Wyzard | |unjustice|: The whole point of RAID is that the whole array doesn't fail when one disk does :-) |
| 04:30.10 | Wyzard | |unjustice|: RAID-1 can continue to operate as long as at least one drive is working |
| 04:30.24 | cast | hmm, so will grub be able to work it out still? |
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| 04:30.40 | |unjustice| | Wyzard: cool, because I need to replace one |
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| 04:30.44 | |unjustice| | thanks |
| 04:30.51 | darkbulb | grub should be able to if its set right |
| 04:30.54 | |unjustice| | so mdadm --fail /dev/sda? |
| 04:31.05 | Wyzard | |unjustice|: yes, then mdadm --remove /dev/sda |
| 04:31.06 | darkbulb | perfers raid 5 |
| 04:31.14 | Wyzard | |unjustice|: and mdadm --add /dev/sda when you put in the new one |
| 04:31.19 | yoshimit | melia: where exatcly to add bridge=xenbr0 ? |
| 04:31.19 | |unjustice| | cool |
| 04:31.42 | Wyzard | oops, slightly wrong mdadm syntax, forgot the /dev/md0 |
| 04:31.46 | Wyzard | He'll figure it out though |
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| 04:35.18 | darkbulb | how do i enable java from within iceweasel |
| 04:35.19 | melia | it the same that you configuration network card ip, netmask,gateway, etc |
| 04:35.21 | enyawix | Who ever redid to boot scripts for 5.0.1 did a great job! my boot times are much faster. :) |
| 04:35.21 | darkbulb | I had synaptic install java which went without error |
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| 04:36.18 | air_ | darkbulb, like check the box "enable java"? |
| 04:36.43 | Mood | air_: just think of iceweasel as a ff clone, identical in every way. all plugins will theoretically work since it's the same code base |
| 04:36.53 | darkbulb | duh , thanks air |
| 04:37.31 | air_ | Mood, yeah, i don't expect them to rewrite anything there |
| 04:37.53 | air_ | may be they just check if there's smth wrong with every other version |
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| 04:38.36 | yoshimit | melia: but even if eth0 is dhcp ? |
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| 04:39.25 | Stanlin | Help plz, i have his problem http://pastebin.com/m6f52d6d9 |
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| 04:41.19 | rektide | is there somewhere in debian init.d for writing stuff for /proc/sys ? |
| 04:41.40 | rektide | a list of sysctl's to get called? |
| 04:41.42 | bpun | Stanlin, i found this.. maybe this'll help http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-526537.html |
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| 04:48.19 | Stanlin | bpun: thanks but its a bit deprecated |
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| 04:49.10 | rektide | how can i find out what network card has what ethernet ethX's on it? |
| 04:50.05 | bpun | rektide, by knowing the driver used for the particular interface and ifconfig -a |
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| 04:54.38 | rektide | what if i have three or four network cards of hte same type in a machine? |
| 04:54.50 | rektide | ah they have different HWaddr |
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| 04:54.53 | rektide | lspci |
| 04:54.53 | rektide | ok |
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| 04:57.23 | Stanlin | bpun: thanks |
| 04:57.45 | bpun | Stanlin, it works now |
| 04:57.45 | bpun | ? |
| 04:57.58 | Stanlin | no :( |
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| 05:01.24 | hatter | after i ahve copied an mbr , then looked at it with xxd, what am i looking for to indicate grub is installed ? |
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| 05:02.22 | bpun | hatter, 1's ans 0's |
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| 05:03.33 | hatter | bpun, thats not very helpful. |
| 05:04.26 | bpun | hatter, show me a doc in grub that says to hexview your mbr dump... |
| 05:04.43 | bpun | hatter, show me, i'm waiting... |
| 05:05.24 | hatter | bpun, i have a s/w raid1 and the d/i installs grub to only one of the disks. i want to know which one doesnt have it. |
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| 05:06.44 | scientes | http://wiki.debian.org/LzmaDeb |
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| 05:37.45 | loafers | and i have xauth installed |
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| 05:40.18 | LTx | hey, i've got a quick question for anyone who may know, i apologize if this is the wrong channel but i'll trust the debian users opinions over anyone elses... |
| 05:40.46 | LTx | I currently have a RAID 10 set up on my onboard ICH10R raid controller |
| 05:41.04 | LTx | 4 1.5TB sata 3gb/s drives |
| 05:41.36 | LTx | i lucked into picking up a 3ware 9500s-4lp raid controller today |
| 05:42.26 | LTx | i know the ich10r is technically considered fakeraid, and that this 3ware is a "true raid" card |
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| 05:42.56 | LTx | only drawback on the 3ware is that it apparently only supports sata 1.5gb/s |
| 05:43.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | LTx, youd be bloody stoked if you got a sata2 hardware raid controller given to you :o |
| 05:43.45 | LTx | my question, I'm running this 3TB raid 10 as networked attached storage, from which controller would I see the highest speed |
| 05:44.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | LTx, surely you'll be IO bound at the nic? |
| 05:44.38 | LTx | yes |
| 05:44.43 | LTx | gigE |
| 05:44.44 | LTx | LAN |
| 05:45.02 | LTx | so that will be the bottleneck |
| 05:46.27 | LTx | i've hit a little over 80MB/sec with my current setup copying from the R10 over gigE |
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| 05:47.06 | LTx | but sometimes there are lag issues (seems to take a second or two to initiate a transfer ) |
| 05:47.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | i doubt that'll change on the hardware controller |
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| 05:48.49 | LTx | yeah i think you are correct, when / if the system tells the drives to spin down would probably be responsible for that |
| 05:49.43 | LTx | but, here's another concern... i'm stuck leaving my array inside a windows machine because the ICH10R really doesn't have any linux support |
| 05:49.53 | air_ | it has |
| 05:49.54 | LTx | the 3ware is fully supported under linux |
| 05:50.00 | air_ | LTx, switch to ahci |
| 05:50.13 | air_ | i have ich10r ova here |
| 05:50.13 | LTx | so i'm sharing out my NAS over cifs |
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| 05:50.43 | LTx | air_, why do you opt for AHCI? |
| 05:50.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | you could also use a true software raid |
| 05:51.00 | LTx | i've had bad experience with that in the past |
| 05:51.04 | air_ | LTx, because this way it's allright linux supported |
| 05:51.28 | air_ | by default ich10r is switched to ide emulation |
| 05:51.38 | air_ | and linux truly doesn't support that perversion |
| 05:51.43 | LTx | though i hear software raid has come along quite a ways, and this was 6-7 yrs ago i fuddled around with lvm |
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| 05:52.19 | LTx | air_, yes you're right, but i think when in RAID or AHCI mode it is not emulating ata |
| 05:52.39 | air_ | why should it emulate ide? |
| 05:52.42 | LTx | all ahci offers so far as i know is the ability to hot swap |
| 05:52.54 | air_ | ahci is native to sata |
| 05:52.59 | LTx | i know |
| 05:53.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | I wouldnt call lvm raid. i'm thinking more of mdadm |
| 05:53.21 | air_ | and quite a bit better performance with ahci vs ide |
| 05:53.30 | kryptoz | what is the best practice used while dist-upgrade from etch to lenny for the old configuration files of exim4 and other running services ? |
| 05:53.36 | LTx | sure, i agree with that air_ |
| 05:53.48 | kryptoz | I kept the old config files.. but now it shows error |
| 05:53.58 | kryptoz | and I cant start the services .. |
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| 05:54.33 | EmleyMoor | kryptoz: Merge the old one with the new example... it might be useful to find the specific problems... |
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| 05:54.51 | LTx | hmm, are you sure RAID volumes get treated as an emulated ATA dirve? |
| 05:54.53 | kryptoz | EmleyMoor: thanks will try tht :) |
| 05:55.19 | air_ | LTx probably |
| 05:55.23 | enouf | not really |
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| 05:55.36 | air_ | enouf, what about ide raid? |
| 05:55.49 | LTx | ok, i never really understand whats going on behind the hood with fakeraid |
| 05:56.04 | LTx | well i've got sata drives |
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| 05:56.19 | enouf | ahci is/was an intel chipset spec, acpi is/was industry wide |
| 05:56.22 | air_ | after you switch to ahci you will have to install drivers for windows |
| 05:56.41 | enouf | and it's not native to sata |
| 05:57.26 | enouf | fakeraid sucks ass and requires dmraid |
| 05:57.30 | LTx | ok, i'm familiar with that, i've done that plenty of times after switching modes |
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| 05:57.50 | LTx | yes, hence why with the ich10r i've stayed in windows |
| 05:57.59 | enouf | just dump wintendo weenie OSes |
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| 05:58.05 | DavidProck1981 | Is there a way to make my mouse have a contrast setting? Like if its over a white window the mouse will be black, and if its over a black window the mouse will be white, and all of the other colors inbetween |
| 05:58.29 | LTx | prock, need to be more specific |
| 05:58.34 | air_ | i didn't build raid this time so switched to linux quite in several minutes |
| 05:58.37 | LTx | kde gnome / specific app? |
| 05:59.00 | DavidProck1981 | i know m$ windows has a mouse theme like that |
| 05:59.03 | enouf | DavidProck1981: the only thing i know one can alter is; update-alternatives x-cursor-theme |
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| 05:59.11 | enouf | you'll need to install them |
| 05:59.30 | dimir | Morning! |
| 05:59.38 | enouf | DavidProck1981: sorry; i mean; update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme |
| 05:59.40 | air_ | morning, truly |
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| 06:00.10 | LTx | well given that I want to keep a raid 10 array, unless the 3ware can handle raid 5 all on its own, and given the sataI / sataII spec differences on the controllers |
| 06:00.20 | enouf | DavidProck1981: nobody cares about windows |
| 06:00.25 | LTx | what setup would you go with? |
| 06:00.27 | enouf | not even windows lusers |
| 06:00.45 | LTx | "Windows, Life without walls" |
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| 06:01.00 | LTx | well without walls, i don't see how there can be windows |
| 06:01.03 | LTx | i hate m$ |
| 06:01.17 | DavidProck1981 | but i want it to do it for every thing, as in the hole kde |
| 06:01.19 | enouf | it's an intel matrix 10 and quite fake |
| 06:01.27 | enouf | even though they sold you on it |
| 06:01.40 | LTx | nah, they didn't sell me on it |
| 06:01.51 | LTx | the cheap 1.5TB drives came after the controller |
| 06:02.10 | LTx | and i can't afford a brand new enterprise class true raid controller |
| 06:02.17 | LTx | anyways |
| 06:02.22 | enouf | enterprise .. heh |
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| 06:02.52 | k-man | is there some tool i can use to browse an smb share from the command line? |
| 06:02.59 | LTx | smbclient |
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| 06:03.04 | LTx | and mount |
| 06:03.09 | LTx | smbfs |
| 06:03.23 | enouf | !cifs |
| 06:03.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, cifs is Common Internet File System or see <SMB>, or it is basically SMB without <NBT> |
| 06:03.26 | bpun | k-man, smbclient |
| 06:03.33 | DavidProck1981 | like for example , you know those lizards that can match thier body to odd pattern color shapes, well IMAGINE it not tring to blend in, but stand out, to be the opposite color of what the mouse is over |
| 06:03.37 | LTx | enouf - so you're saying ditch the fakeraid horse shit and go true raid |
| 06:03.38 | LTx | ? |
| 06:03.46 | enouf | chameleons? |
| 06:04.00 | k-man | bpun: but how can i find out the names of the available shares with smbclient? |
| 06:04.08 | enouf | LTx: ofcourse .. or use mdadm |
| 06:04.09 | LTx | smbclient -L |
| 06:04.17 | bpun | k-man, man smbclient probably has examples |
| 06:04.21 | k-man | thanks |
| 06:04.36 | LTx | mdadm with the drives in ahci mode? |
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| 06:04.46 | enouf | er .. why not? |
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| 06:05.21 | enouf | libata is the only prerequisite for ahci if your controller is up to it |
| 06:05.33 | DavidProck1981 | Like it i put the middle of my mouse in the middle of 2 different colors, Half of my mouse will be one color, while the other half of my mouse being a different color !!!! |
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| 06:05.47 | enouf | that |
| 06:05.55 | enouf | that's lovely |
| 06:06.07 | DavidProck1981 | now do u know what im talking aobut |
| 06:06.13 | LTx | prock, go eat some acid |
| 06:06.21 | LTx | then you'll know what you're talking to us about |
| 06:06.28 | enouf | and start eating meat again |
| 06:06.39 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 06:06.40 | enouf | the vege thing isn;t working out |
| 06:06.51 | LTx | haha |
| 06:07.13 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.32 | DavidProck1981 | tbeen vegan since 2004 |
| 06:07.55 | enouf | heh .. how'd i know .. that'll wet your noodle |
| 06:08.06 | LTx | so, sorry to keep beating the dead horse |
| 06:08.11 | DavidProck1981 | huh |
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| 06:08.25 | LTx | but i've got no good reason to use the 3ware then? |
| 06:08.54 | enouf | LTx: i entered late into your query .. just threw out some general info |
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| 06:09.27 | enouf | 3ware makes some nice controllers though |
| 06:09.31 | LTx | ok, i was just wondering given that i have now a raid 10 (4 1.5TB sata II drives) |
| 06:09.47 | LTx | on my ich10r, shared out over winblows |
| 06:10.15 | LTx | could i see better performance with the true raid controller, given that it supports only sata I drives |
| 06:10.18 | enouf | so Intel Matrix raid10 |
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| 06:11.03 | enouf | what? why? crappy old 3ware? pcie? |
| 06:11.17 | LTx | huh? |
| 06:11.24 | LTx | 3ware is PCI-X |
| 06:11.30 | enouf | ugh |
| 06:11.34 | LTx | i know |
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| 06:11.38 | enouf | forget it |
| 06:12.07 | enouf | linux works fine on your setup? if so, are you using dmraid? |
| 06:12.57 | LTx | i haven't used linux with the ich10r because it seems i have to use software raid of some kind |
| 06:13.44 | LTx | individual drives always show up in linux when i've got the ich10r in raid mode, with a raid volume defined in the option rom |
| 06:14.57 | LTx | bleh, you know the differences are probably going to be neglible |
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| 06:15.37 | LTx | and to reformat the array and copy the data back and fourth (1.5TB worth) is too much work for too little yield |
| 06:16.02 | LTx | who wants to give me a 3ware controller supporting sata II? |
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| 06:16.57 | LTx | if i really wanted to do raid / nas combo right, i'd need a server board |
| 06:17.06 | LTx | a nic with a tcp offload engine |
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| 06:18.06 | LTx | quick question, in my couple endevours with x64 linux |
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| 06:18.19 | LTx | drives seemed to be identified by uuids |
| 06:18.36 | LTx | and not the /dev/hdx /dev/sdx routine |
| 06:18.49 | LTx | is this the case? |
| 06:19.41 | LTx | the uuids can eat shit, /etc/fstab becomes illegible |
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| 06:20.19 | dacs | hi everyone |
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| 06:20.45 | dacs | what will replace cooledit in lenny? |
| 06:22.03 | dacs | anyone |
| 06:22.43 | LTx | wtf is cooledit |
| 06:22.45 | LTx | pico |
| 06:22.49 | LTx | vim |
| 06:22.57 | air_ | /etc/fstab shouldn't exist |
| 06:22.57 | LTx | all i need |
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| 06:23.26 | LTx | well it never made complete sense to me |
| 06:23.33 | theperldude | apt-cache shows no cooledit |
| 06:23.51 | dacs | LTx: it is a wave/mp3 studio, were you can edit and record mp3 |
| 06:23.58 | LTx | seems like a catch22 |
| 06:24.08 | LTx | oh, my bad |
| 06:24.50 | dacs | LTx: it my fault i didn't explain, please accept my apology. |
| 06:24.51 | LTx | i'm not much of an audiophile |
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| 06:25.21 | air_ | all you need is milkytracker :) |
| 06:25.23 | air_ | gone |
| 06:25.41 | LTx | dacs: thats asking a lot |
| 06:25.49 | LTx | i need more time |
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| 06:26.19 | dacs | what i am trying to do is, i have an old tape and i am trying to convert it to a CD |
| 06:27.00 | dacs | so i will connect the line from tape casette spkr, to my lappy mic and record |
| 06:27.03 | LTx | so you're gonna rip the tape by piping it through line-in while recording? |
| 06:27.08 | air_ | may be you just need a recorder proggy, dacs? |
| 06:27.14 | theperldude | try audacity |
| 06:27.57 | LTx | check out lame's site |
| 06:28.01 | theperldude | and yes line in work.....i tried that a few years ago :) |
| 06:28.09 | LTx | they have lots of links to software that use their codec |
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| 06:28.50 | air_ | lol... cat /dev/line-in ~/rip |
| 06:29.03 | air_ | >~/rip |
| 06:29.50 | kryptoz | I did a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny and my exim4 is broken. I see that its because I didnt accept the new configuration files during the install (Selected to keep the old config). I want to reinstall now (using aptitude) and force the new configuration files (Will reconfigure the exim4 after installation). How do I do this ? |
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| 06:31.56 | theperldude | To kryptoz: try this command: #aptitude reinstall exim4 |
| 06:32.08 | sep | kryptoz, the files gets installed as file.dpkg-dist just compare the one you have and the new one |
| 06:32.24 | sep | and you can just take a backup of the old and replace with the new |
| 06:32.38 | kryptoz | sep: thank you :) |
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| 06:36.05 | majhool | is there a way to reverse the color palette in Xorg, so that black becomes white etc? would this be handled by the window manager? |
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| 06:36.43 | kryptoz | sep: got it thanks. I did copied the dpkg-dist and then re-did "aptitude dist-upgrade". It completed without any errors. And now I am doing "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
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| 07:04.01 | scrieler | good morning |
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| 07:04.46 | scrieler | anybody problems to get imagemagick too? http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/imagemagick/imagemagick_6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny1_i386.deb |
| 07:04.50 | jaggz- | nyone know how to convert a .dv to a format usable by "final cut"? |
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| 07:07.19 | dondelelcaro | scrieler: pick a different mirror if it's having issues |
| 07:08.00 | scrieler | where is the mirror file? forget it :] |
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| 07:08.39 | dondelelcaro | scrieler: /etc/apt/sources.list is where you specify the mirror that you're using. |
| 07:08.42 | CosmicB | jaggz- : my girlfriend uses final cut, she recently figured out howto import quicktime files into fc makeing them editable. You could probably convert that .dv format to quicktime with ffmpeg :) |
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| 07:08.45 | dondelelcaro | (and any other sources.list entry) |
| 07:08.52 | scrieler | thanks =) |
| 07:08.59 | Leet`hacker | i use windows xp as my disco of loonix |
| 07:10.02 | xand | your disco eh |
| 07:10.31 | Leet`hacker | anyone here tell me how i hack loonix? |
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| 07:10.50 | CosmicB | jaggz- thinking about it, it would be strange if fc couldn't edit .dv files directly, or import them somehow. Try some fc channel, I bet you could import it directly, though I'm not a fc user :p |
| 07:10.52 | maxagaz | Is there something wrong in this command line?: echo hello > mail me@myhome.com |
| 07:11.15 | stack` | hi, Is it possibile to move windows between DISPLAYs ? |
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| 07:12.06 | CosmicB | stack` yes it is, but it depends on if your using frame buffer, xinerama or something else :) |
| 07:12.09 | stack` | here is my xorg.conf , http://pastebin.com/f340b307f , I don't have xinerama but 2 different display |
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| 07:13.46 | CosmicB | stack` : you either have to start using virtual framebuffers, or xinerama. If you're using compiz you may have to go for virtual framebuffer |
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| 07:15.11 | CosmicB | stack` : though this is written for thinkpad, it gives you a nice overview on howto use virtual framebuffer http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 |
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| 07:15.31 | stack` | CosmicB: ok thanks :) |
| 07:16.02 | CosmicB | ehm, s/virtual framebuffer/virtual screen/ :p mixing up here |
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| 07:18.47 | CosmicB | stack` you may also review http://pastebin.com/d615c67ef which is my working xorg.conf, using xinerama. |
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| 07:19.48 | stack` | Yes but having no xinerama permits me to have ""cool"" things like two gnome bar on each screen |
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| 07:20.28 | CosmicB | permits or restricts ? |
| 07:20.33 | stack` | and separated virtual desktop , so if I move to a different desktop on a screen the other remains fixed. |
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| 07:21.38 | stack` | sorry I have to go, thanks again |
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| 07:22.29 | CosmicB | maxagaz: try "$ echo hello | mail -s 'subject' me@myhome.com " instead :) |
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| 07:23.24 | ralfgro_ | morning! |
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| 07:25.02 | zu22 | hi, i created a gpg key but accidentally deleted my .gpg directory but i uploaded my key to pgp.mit.edu |
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| 07:25.14 | zu22 | what command should i type to have it import that key |
| 07:25.27 | zu22 | and recreate my key paire |
| 07:25.29 | zu22 | pair |
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| 07:26.48 | Sashi | o mmee good |
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| 07:27.06 | Sashi | "cannot access archive: No such file or directory" << someone said to me "What does that mean?" |
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| 07:27.33 | ralfgro_ | I |
| 07:27.55 | jmut | hi. when apache installed I see those certificates created under /etc/ssl/certs/ May I directly use them or they are just example or something? |
| 07:27.59 | ralfgro_ | I've a local debian mirror where I mirror some debian servers |
| 07:28.00 | jmut | e.g ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem |
| 07:28.36 | ralfgro_ | but debian multimedia gives me some trouble right now |
| 07:29.01 | ralfgro_ | Konnte http://mirror/debian-extras/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz nicht holen 404 Not Found |
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| 07:29.35 | ralfgro_ | the Packages.gz and Packages files are missing |
| 07:29.59 | ralfgro_ | they are also not on the server |
| 07:30.28 | ralfgro_ | neither debian-multimedi.org or a mirror |
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| 07:33.41 | simonrvn | jmut: they're not for any real usage, those snakeoil certs. optimally you obtain or create some yourself/your admin does. |
| 07:34.28 | jmut | simonrvn: I will probably use them.. still it is secured connection and I will use them for svn over https with ~10 developers using it. so I think should be fine. |
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| 07:38.50 | Gokee2 | Hello all, does anyone know of a way to find all packages that provide a command? |
| 07:39.36 | yalu | hi. how can one install Debian ON a usb stick? I only find howto's for installing FROM usb. Doesn't the installer support usb hardware? I modprobed usb-storage in the installer but the partitioner doesn't show the usb disk. |
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| 07:40.56 | simonrvn | Gokee2: you could do a file search for bin/command, and whatever will spit out package names. say apt-file, or PDO. |
| 07:41.19 | yalu | oh wait. you need to load the module first, then REplug the drive. Thanks ;p |
| 07:41.28 | Gokee2 | yalu, If your computer can boot from usb you should be able to do it just fine, just run the installer and use the usbdrive to install to. I am not sure if grub will install on a usb stick you will have to check that. Never done the usb stick install thing myself though |
| 07:41.37 | simonrvn | yalu: you need scsi_mod also, plus the required usb host driver. |
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| 07:42.56 | yalu | Gokee2: well, I can always install grub in the partition. the stick has a dos partition table so you should be able to install a bootlaoder I think. |
| 07:43.27 | Gokee2 | simeon, Hmm I guess that should work however if I do dpkg -S /bin/convert I get dpkg: /bin/convert not found. |
| 07:43.56 | simonrvn | yeh, well if the box supports usb boot, then you're ok |
| 07:44.13 | simonrvn | Gokee2: note i didn't say /bin/ but bin/ |
| 07:44.34 | Gokee2 | simeon, Ah right! |
| 07:44.43 | yalu | simonrvn: It's a Macbook with rEFIt installed. Which automatically recognises allthat's plugged in and bootable at boot time. Even firewire disks. Marvellous! :-) |
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| 07:44.58 | simonrvn | /bin/ would only look up stuff in /bin/, whereas bin/ would look stuff up in /bin /sbin etc. |
| 07:45.01 | Gokee2 | kinda likes the ubuntu way of looking for a command not found |
| 07:45.17 | Gokee2 | simeon, I found it right away with bin/ :) |
| 07:45.18 | yalu | and I'm trying usb disk install because having more than 4 partitions on a mac gives booting prioblems *sigh* |
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| 07:45.32 | simonrvn | yalu: is refit a linux thing? |
| 07:45.57 | simonrvn | 'cause i know there's elilo for linux for those efi boxen. |
| 07:45.59 | yalu | simonrvn: hm no. Well it might, but it is intended to be installed from Mac OS. |
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| 07:46.21 | EmleyMoor | yalu: lvm? |
| 07:46.36 | SA007 | I'm trying to get a very small program to compile for damn small linux, but i'm having problems with the 2.4 kernel, anyone got tips (besides installing another computer on a 2.4 kernel and compiling it on that) |
| 07:46.41 | simonrvn | yeh, i don't think it'll support linux. just an educated guess ;). |
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| 07:46.48 | yalu | entelarust: doesn't solve the problem... you still need /boot partitions for each distro you install |
| 07:47.07 | simonrvn | what's with the bad tab completion? ;) |
| 07:47.19 | EmleyMoor | yalu: I see |
| 07:47.21 | yalu | tedju |
| 07:47.26 | simonrvn | SA007: ECHAN |
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| 07:48.31 | SA007 | simonrvn: what is that, a quick google doesn't really give any answers? |
| 07:48.45 | simonrvn | wrong channel |
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| 07:53.58 | SA007 | No one knows how to compile a small program to work on a 2.4 kernel from 2.6? |
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| 07:56.28 | jelly-home | SA007: are you sure it's a kernel issue and not a libc issue? If you ran debian, perhaps emdebian-tools would help |
| 07:56.56 | bpun | anyone knows a good guide for chroot sftp accounts? |
| 07:57.13 | jelly-home | SA007: or some other crosscompiling toolchain builder |
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| 07:57.43 | SA007 | i get a message "FATAL: kernel too old" when i try to run it |
| 07:57.56 | simonrvn | bpun: here's one: don't bother. |
| 07:58.05 | jaggz- | CosmicB: I haven't found a final cut channel yet.. |
| 07:58.12 | jaggz- | cosmic, the dv files are way too big to upload |
| 07:58.23 | bpun | simonrvn, perhaps i'll retry it again.. using the new chrootdirectory directive.. |
| 07:58.38 | SA007 | jelly-home: thats with a -static compiled file, without -static i do get a libc error |
| 07:58.41 | jelly-home | bpun: backporting openssh 5.1 and that new thing you mention worked for us |
| 07:58.53 | bpun | jelly-home, cool |
| 07:59.07 | bpun | jelly-home, will try without a debootrap directory this time.. |
| 07:59.39 | bpun | simonrvn, sorry i don't use telnet like you do. :) |
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| 08:00.00 | SA007 | jelly-home: i'n put Host * ProxyCommand corkscrew http-proxy.example.com 8080 %h %p |
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| 08:00.13 | SA007 | jelly-home: paste fail... |
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| 08:00.18 | CosmicB | jaggz- : ah, fc=proprietary software, you may have to pay apple loads of money to get help :p I dunno, I really don't know much about FC. but check out the man page for ffmpeg, it got loads of examples on howto convert that .dv file to f.example quicktime |
| 08:00.22 | simonrvn | bpun: i don't use telnet. dumbass comment, that. |
| 08:00.23 | jelly-home | SA007: whihc debian release are you using? |
| 08:00.34 | bpun | simonrvn, hahaha.. so hasty.. |
| 08:00.39 | SA007 | jelly-home: this pc is running ubuntu 8.06 |
| 08:00.52 | thnee | my computer plays music, even though i have 1) blacklisted the pcspk module and 2) plugged in headphones |
| 08:00.55 | bpun | simonrvn, i should short stop that with a period. :) |
| 08:00.56 | yalu | pfff slow usb stick |
| 08:01.04 | jaggz- | yeah.. been working on this problem for 2 days |
| 08:01.05 | SA007 | jelly-home: i've installed emdebian-tools but how do i use it? |
| 08:01.20 | simonrvn | shortstops something else |
| 08:01.25 | thnee | in alsamixer, i have a channel "Front", and that lowers the volume of the computer, but also the head phones.. |
| 08:01.27 | CosmicB | thnee: does # lsmod | grep pcspkr show anything ? |
| 08:01.30 | jelly-home | SA007: you'll have to figure that out by yourself |
| 08:01.50 | thnee | CosmicB: no, as i said, i have blacklisted it |
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| 08:02.17 | CosmicB | thnee : yes you said so, but have you checked that it really doesn't load ? |
| 08:02.31 | thnee | CosmicB: yes, i just told you |
| 08:02.37 | jelly-home | SA007: (I've never used them, just gave a quick search for uclibc and cross with apt, to look for something suitable) |
| 08:02.49 | matt0 | Is there anyway I can extract the open-office .deb from the lenny ISO |
| 08:03.13 | jelly-home | SA007: (and we can't support either ubuntu or dsl here) |
| 08:03.15 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 08:03.31 | SA007 | jelly-home: both are debian based tho' |
| 08:03.42 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 08:03.49 | jelly-home | !based on debian |
| 08:03.49 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 08:03.54 | yalu | thnee: pcspk is the beeeeep thing, it doesn't play music (recognisably ;) ) |
| 08:04.04 | thnee | yalu: yeah i know |
| 08:04.13 | simonrvn | beep bop, beep beep, bop bop |
| 08:04.17 | thnee | yalu: so my computer now has *two* speakers built in? |
| 08:04.22 | thnee | thats insane |
| 08:04.26 | yalu | lol |
| 08:04.33 | thnee | no wait |
| 08:04.34 | yalu | stereo system bell |
| 08:04.44 | thnee | it's just what linux does with the one built in speaker |
| 08:04.57 | thnee | the pcspkr module |
| 08:05.14 | thnee | i have some nvidia chipset i think |
| 08:05.23 | thnee | atleast the soundcard |
| 08:05.59 | thnee | but what is the Front channel supposed to control? sounds like the computer speaker |
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| 08:06.21 | thnee | but i guess i am wrong, since it also lowers the volume of my head phones |
| 08:06.41 | thnee | however, even though the Front channel is at 0, i can still hear something in my head phones |
| 08:07.13 | yalu | that's probably because of noise leaking from an other audio channel |
| 08:07.26 | yalu | it happens with analogue stuff |
| 08:07.27 | thnee | physically? |
| 08:07.30 | thnee | mkay |
| 08:07.48 | yalu | I used to hear my cdrom drive spin in my speakers |
| 08:07.54 | cilkay | Hello. I've added my own .bash_profile, .bashrc, .bash_aliases, and .dir_colors to my home directory in Lenny but when I login, I don't get the aliases and directory colours I normally get in the Etch machine from which I copied those files. What am I missing? |
| 08:07.54 | thnee | hehe |
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| 08:08.00 | thnee | well, how do i solve this? |
| 08:09.15 | JJOliver | Hi I'm trying to burn a data disk using brasero, i'm having problems because it's a 4.7GB disk, i'm trying to burn 4.1GB and it keeps saying that there is not enough space on the disk. |
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| 08:19.22 | HeXiLeD | any way of converting a cue/bin data file into iso ? |
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| 08:20.41 | bpun | HeXiLeD, bchunk |
| 08:21.17 | thnee | seriously, i might just open the computer and unplug the pc-speaker |
| 08:21.38 | HeXiLeD | will try |
| 08:21.47 | thnee | how come the head phones and the pc speaker are on the same alsa channels? |
| 08:21.49 | thnee | thats weird |
| 08:21.51 | simonrvn | !raw/cue |
| 08:21.51 | dpkg | somebody said raw/cue was the "other" cdrwin image format, consisting of a cue file and a single raw file for each track. cdrdao can't burn these, but you can create a bin file by catting all the .raw files into one big bin file... good luck making your own .cue file for that though |
| 08:21.58 | simonrvn | HeXiLeD: ^^^ |
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| 08:22.15 | Supaplex | ewwww. sounds messy |
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| 08:22.37 | simonrvn | only factoid i could find... can't remember the other one. |
| 08:22.38 | HeXiLeD | donest work., |
| 08:22.43 | thnee | i read that my nvidida mcp16 chipset wants snd-hda-intel, but when i modprobe it, it never is loaded |
| 08:22.44 | HeXiLeD | only does audio |
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| 08:34.03 | MrWax | I am in a directory, and I would like to delete all files that end with *.txt in all underlying directories |
| 08:34.06 | MrWax | how can I do this? |
| 08:34.39 | Xen0x | rm -r *.txt I believe |
| 08:34.52 | simonrvn | using find and xargs |
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| 08:36.00 | MrWax | can anyone explain? i'm not so good with command lie |
| 08:36.01 | MrWax | line |
| 08:36.33 | bpun | simonrvn, hey guess what |
| 08:36.37 | mosno | Xen0x: that doesn't work. |
| 08:36.51 | bpun | simonrvn, it worked. |
| 08:36.54 | bpun | simonrvn, :) |
| 08:37.24 | MrWax | find . *.txt | xargs -0 | rm -rf ? |
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| 08:38.04 | bpun | MrWax, no |
| 08:38.09 | simonrvn | no |
| 08:38.16 | mosno | MrWax: you don't need xargs or rm |
| 08:38.20 | mosno | find can do it all |
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| 08:38.25 | mosno | 'info find' |
| 08:38.40 | bpun | MrWax, u can use xargs but u'd have to know what find is doing |
| 08:38.41 | simonrvn | find /somedir (can also use .) -iname '*.txt' | xargs rm |
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| 08:38.57 | MrWax | oki thanks |
| 08:38.58 | simonrvn | calling -exec spawns more processes than using xargs does |
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| 08:39.13 | mosno | find . ! -type d -name \*.txt -delete |
| 08:39.18 | bpun | MrWax, u can also specify -type f << for filename.. in the find command |
| 08:39.27 | MrWax | oki |
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| 08:39.28 | martian67 | simonrvn, using find like that is mind-bendingly annoyinh |
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| 08:39.31 | JJoliver | Hay everyone. I'm having problems trying to burn a DVD on brasero, it basically won't let me select a 4.7GB disk and even when i select a 4.3GB disk it still won't burn a 4.1GB data disk . . . |
| 08:39.35 | martian67 | zsh for the win |
| 08:39.36 | MrWax | and what if I also like to delete directory's? |
| 08:39.38 | simonrvn | -delete? new to me |
| 08:39.50 | Arafangion | Hey, how do I run a separate login session, in a nested window? |
| 08:39.52 | bpun | MrWax, then use another commandline with -type d |
| 08:40.01 | simonrvn | you also have to escape the ! in some shells |
| 08:40.11 | simonrvn | martian67: that's nice |
| 08:40.12 | Arafangion | (complete with gdm login screen) |
| 08:40.22 | martian67 | rm */*.txt |
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| 08:40.33 | martian67 | does exactly what he asks :) |
| 08:40.40 | MrWax | and what if lets say, I like to delete all files and directories inside the directory i'm in and all underlying directories apart from those that end with *.txt |
| 08:40.40 | simonrvn | martian67: not everyone uses zsh ;). |
| 08:40.42 | mosno | martian67: that only deletes to one level |
| 08:40.48 | MrWax | what would be the command then? |
| 08:40.58 | martian67 | mosno, err yes :) |
| 08:41.02 | Arafangion | MrWax: You may be better of exploring the subtleties of grep, find, and xargs. |
| 08:41.07 | simonrvn | martian67: TMTOWTDI |
| 08:41.10 | simonrvn | er |
| 08:41.16 | simonrvn | MrWax: TMTOWTDI |
| 08:41.17 | Arafangion | MrWax: Even better, learn a scripting language, which could be your shell's language. |
| 08:41.19 | martian67 | zsh supports regex aswell >_> |
| 08:41.35 | martian67 | i like regex globbing very very much |
| 08:41.48 | martian67 | including file attributes/atime/etc |
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| 08:41.57 | martian67 | beats the fuck out of find related crap |
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| 08:42.13 | mosno | martian67: party pooper ;) |
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| 08:42.39 | simonrvn | !poop on martian67 |
| 08:42.40 | dpkg | sends hannah, beta3's dog after on martian67, and tells her to poop on on martian67 |
| 08:42.50 | martian67 | o.O |
| 08:42.51 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 08:43.11 | martian67 | except in embedded enviroments |
| 08:43.14 | simonrvn | !factinfo cmd: poop (.*?) |
| 08:43.15 | dpkg | CMD: poop (.*?) -- created by beta3 <~dan@920e48f3c4c7.ssl.walledcity.de> at Wed Sep 10 01:07:17 2003 (2051 days); it has been requested 14 times, last by simonrvn, 34s ago. |
| 08:43.20 | martian67 | there is zero reason for anyone to not be using zsh |
| 08:43.27 | simonrvn | man that's old |
| 08:43.48 | mosno | martian67: how about "it's not installed on deployed systems" |
| 08:44.02 | martian67 | mosno, it should be >_> |
| 08:44.12 | Supaplex | !start a shell war |
| 08:44.13 | dpkg | tcsh is worse than bsh |
| 08:44.16 | mosno | martian67: "should be" != "is" |
| 08:44.22 | simonrvn | there are valid reasons why one wouldn't be using it, like you don't own or admin the box. |
| 08:44.32 | Arafangion | martian67: What if the regex matches several million files? Suddenly, you wish you just used find! |
| 08:44.39 | mosno | simonrvn: yep |
| 08:44.48 | martian67 | Arafangion, no different than a find expression |
| 08:45.05 | simonrvn | ...and can't install it sanely. |
| 08:45.08 | Arafangion | martian67: I find that very hard to believe. |
| 08:45.10 | martian67 | simeon, i was being slightly facetious |
| 08:45.25 | simonrvn | martian67: slightly?! |
| 08:45.38 | Arafangion | martian67: So, suppose a directory has two files, a.txt and b.txt. What does "foo *.txt" result in? |
| 08:45.39 | simonrvn | beats martian67's tab key with a 2x4 |
| 08:45.57 | martian67 | Arafangion, how is that any different than normal globbing? |
| 08:46.14 | Arafangion | martian67: I never mentioned normal globbing. |
| 08:46.40 | Arafangion | martian67: I suppose I should've used: "foo (.*\.txt)", to be explicit. |
| 08:46.47 | MrWax | Would this work ? find . -type -fd -not -name *.txt | xargs /bin/rm -rf |
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| 08:47.02 | Arafangion | MrWax: ALWAYS use 'echo' first. |
| 08:47.05 | Arafangion | MrWax: ALWAYS. |
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| 08:47.25 | MrWax | echo? |
| 08:47.27 | MrWax | in what way you mean? |
| 08:47.29 | martian67 | yes rm has a nasty habit of ruining your whole day :) |
| 08:47.32 | OpenTokix | MrWax: no |
| 08:47.35 | martian67 | replace rm with echo |
| 08:47.37 | simonrvn | **ALWAYS** |
| 08:47.52 | MrWax | ok |
| 08:48.03 | OpenTokix | MrWax: find . -type f -type d ! -name "*.txt" -exec rm -f {} \; |
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| 08:48.27 | OpenTokix | MrWax: but try it on a safe folder first |
| 08:48.33 | simonrvn | or something that's potentially destructive, or is; it's always wise to do that. you don't get to do it a second time. |
| 08:48.33 | Arafangion | simonrvn: I think this might be the rare situation where it might even be appropriate to use the oft-hated 'bold' and 'black on white' colours for that word. :) |
| 08:48.52 | OpenTokix | MrWax: that will however delete folders containing *.txt |
| 08:48.55 | simonrvn | Arafangion: for sure, but the chan is +c :/ |
| 08:49.07 | martian67 | simonrvn, depends how fast you are :) |
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| 08:49.36 | simonrvn | martian67: yeh, one hand hovering over ctrl and c ;p |
| 08:49.36 | Arafangion | martian67: Specifically, the find command (not the way MrWax uses it), will invoke the program for /each/ match. |
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| 08:49.58 | martian67 | Arafangion, so will zsh, if you use xargs |
| 08:50.06 | martian67 | so i fail to see your argument |
| 08:50.06 | OpenTokix | just use -exec in find |
| 08:50.07 | Arafangion | martian67: Without using xargs. |
| 08:50.22 | JJoliver | Anyone use Brasero I'm running into problems with trying to burn a data dvd. |
| 08:50.27 | martian67 | or a for loop |
| 08:50.30 | martian67 | if you prefer :) |
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| 10:17.01 | liable | ddalton: try asking again later, someone may have an explanation |
| 10:17.03 | bpun | zinx, i've come across fs bugs before.. so probably something wrong with either ls, somewhere in between.. hopefully not ext2.. |
| 10:17.24 | ddalton | alright then. |
| 10:17.32 | ddalton | liable and jelly thx very much for the help! have a good night. |
| 10:17.47 | liable | np |
| 10:17.52 | zinx | bpun: ok, but it just doesn't make much sense to me for there to be a bug in C code on a 32-bit little endian architecture |
| 10:18.01 | zinx | bpun: that only happens on one 32-bit little endian architecture |
| 10:18.34 | bpun | zinx, all i did was type ls -la twice... the second attempt showed it after mkdir attempting it.. |
| 10:18.54 | zinx | bpun: i gave you two possibilities to check before assuming it's a bug |
| 10:19.02 | bpun | zinx, i'm not assuming |
| 10:19.12 | zinx | bpun: could have fooled me |
| 10:19.28 | bpun | zinx, this directory has items in it |
| 10:19.38 | bpun | zinx, directory is called 't'.. |
| 10:19.39 | jelly | maxagaz: for testing, you can use swaks. for normal usage, you can set up a very simple local MTA like ssmtp and configure it to use your remote MTA as a smarthost |
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| 10:20.13 | jelly | maxagaz: once ssmtp or similar is installed and configured, using mail/mailx/mutt will work |
| 10:20.16 | zinx | bpun: none of which has anything to do with anything :/ |
| 10:20.32 | bpun | zinx, i reckon i wouldn't have a tip on fstab and the dump field.. |
| 10:20.46 | zinx | bpun: i'm not aware of any "dump field" |
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| 10:21.21 | zinx | bpun: and i don't see how a "dump field" would show you if it's a problem with the disk or ram |
| 10:22.27 | jelly | bpun: the dump column in fstab basically isn't used by anything other than the dump program, possibly some other backup app. |
| 10:22.46 | jelly | bpun: it's completely irrelevant these days. |
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| 10:23.40 | bpun | it's actually an ext2 mountpoint .. the main system is ext3.. |
| 10:23.45 | bpun | "/dev/sda2 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro,noatime,commit=120 0 1" |
| 10:23.52 | maxagaz | jelly, i can't specify a smtp server with the mail command ? |
| 10:24.15 | bpun | i'll try to reproduce this error.. |
| 10:25.22 | jelly | maxagaz: nope. It sends mail via /usr/sbin/sendmail interface |
| 10:26.12 | jelly | maxagaz: that interface is provided by a local MTA. |
| 10:27.14 | petemc | mutt supports smtp servers now, fwiw |
| 10:27.19 | themill | maxagaz: if you want to test a remote mta like that, then either use swaks or learn to speak smtp |
| 10:27.34 | jelly | petemc: mutt is probably heavier than ssmtp |
| 10:28.54 | jelly | ... but it has attachments and stuff so I use it as /bin/mail replacement too |
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| 10:33.53 | bolt | I am adding ~/bin to my path in .bashrc. however, when running a command on this machine directly through ssh, like ssh mymachine mycommand, it doesn't find commands in ~/bin. is there a way to do this? like, add ~/.bin to the path somewhere else? |
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| 10:39.20 | caraconan | Hi. It is possible to remove a gpg public key from a repository? |
| 10:39.21 | themill | bolt: ~/.ssh/environment might be what you're looking for. See man 8 sshd |
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| 10:40.04 | caraconan | In my case keys.gnupg.net |
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| 10:40.47 | caraconan | Or is better if I try to generate another private-public key and then try to submit again to repository the public key? |
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| 10:44.39 | bpun | bolt, u can use export PATH=$PATH:~/bin in .bashrc.. |
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| 10:49.34 | thnee | doesnt debian have OSS? |
| 10:50.03 | thnee | i read somewhere that OSSÂ would work better with my soundcard (nvidias mcp61) |
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| 10:58.48 | zxd | how do you call in fontconfig fonts for a specific language that exist in a font |
| 10:59.15 | zxd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.33 | bolt | themill: excellent! thanks |
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| 11:00.54 | Siegfried | is there a problem if we run 2.6.26-1-686 after the last update? |
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| 11:01.09 | bolt | Siegfried: what kind of problem? |
| 11:01.27 | Siegfried | i don't know my server doesn't boot |
| 11:01.37 | Siegfried | with 2.6.26-2-686 it couldn't detect partitions anymore |
| 11:01.55 | Siegfried | on usb drives |
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| 11:02.23 | Siegfried | so i booted 2.6.26-1-686 with grub |
| 11:02.23 | jair | Siegfried: what do you mean? |
| 11:02.45 | Siegfried | after the last update i had problems with my usb drives |
| 11:02.49 | jair | Siegfried: you upgraded and boot with the new kernel right? |
| 11:02.55 | jair | ? |
| 11:03.03 | Siegfried | at first yes but there was a problem |
| 11:03.15 | Siegfried | i didn't update only the kernel, but udev and some more stuff |
| 11:03.33 | Siegfried | then i tried booting 2.6.26-1-686 but it doesn't come up |
| 11:03.48 | jair | run this command on your lenny with the new kernel => update-pciids |
| 11:04.19 | jair | let me ask you what does not comes up the system or just the usb drives? |
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| 11:05.22 | Siegfried | with 2.6.26-2-686 the usb drives, with 2.6.26-1-686 the system (it's off now) |
| 11:05.39 | Siegfried | it was working fine before.. i rebooted yesterday :/ |
| 11:05.54 | jair | Siegfried: are you on the new kernel one? |
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| 11:06.07 | Siegfried | yes |
| 11:06.13 | Siegfried | it updated it as well |
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| 11:09.49 | jair | Siegfried: so this one is the one with the problems? |
| 11:10.28 | Siegfried | 2.6.26-1-686 doesn't boot yes.. i will have to see the errors when i can reach the server... |
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| 11:23.30 | worr | potentially dumb question: |
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| 11:25.52 | worr | I know grub is capable of PXE booting |
| 11:25.54 | kombi_ | can't get php5 to work in good old apache-ssl. I would need mod_php5 but that doesn't seem to be anywhere on the box |
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| 11:26.08 | worr | but if my NIC isn't capable of PXE booting, can I not PXE boot from grub? |
| 11:26.34 | petemc | worr: grub needs a driver for your nic, aiui |
| 11:26.44 | petemc | its not something ive done, so i cant say for sure |
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| 11:27.22 | worr | I have the driver for my card compiled in, but I'm curious to know whether or not the fact that the card itself isn't compatible with PXE makes a difference |
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| 11:27.58 | worr | like, does GRUB go above the NIC's PXE capabilities and handles all the PXE stuff itself? |
| 11:28.08 | worr | or does it need a PXE capable card? |
| 11:28.24 | liable | i woulda thunk its a bios thing, how does grub have network card drivers? |
| 11:28.43 | worr | you can compile them in if you download the grub source |
| 11:28.52 | liable | oh |
| 11:28.52 | worr | cause grub has netboot support |
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| 11:31.13 | Arafangion | So, how do I run a nested gdm login session? |
| 11:32.01 | abrotman | in gnome? |
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| 11:40.05 | Arafangion | abrotman: No... What does Gnome have to do with it? |
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| 11:41.29 | abrotman | gdm? gnome? |
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| 11:42.39 | Arafangion | abrotman: I suppose gdm is within the gnome umbrella, however most people consider teh gnome desktop environment to be "gnome". |
| 11:42.52 | abrotman | anyways .. there is xnest and another |
| 11:42.56 | abrotman | xephyr ? |
| 11:43.17 | Arafangion | abrotman: I don't have xnest, but I do have xephyr. That doesn't have docs, though. :( |
| 11:43.49 | Arafangion | worr: You can do a two-stage boot. |
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| 11:44.08 | Arafangion | worr: At a pinch, you can keep the kernel local. |
| 11:44.21 | ringo999 | running xfce4, what is normally the keyboard shortcut for activating xscreensaver, ESC + ?? |
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| 11:44.22 | Arafangion | worr: And pivot-mount the remote drive. |
| 11:44.25 | patrickstar1512_ | hi |
| 11:44.27 | kombi_ | I'm having trouble getting php5 to work with apache-ssl. When I try to load libphp5.so from apache2 I get "undefined symbol". Is this a mix of distros/flavours maybe? |
| 11:44.27 | patrickstar1512_ | was geht |
| 11:44.38 | patrickstar1512_ | yes |
| 11:44.40 | patrickstar1512_ | it is |
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| 11:45.01 | patrickstar1512_ | you need a new computer hone |
| 11:45.03 | patrickstar1512_ | honey |
| 11:45.05 | patrickstar1512_ | ajas |
| 11:45.05 | patrickstar1512_ | asdas |
| 11:45.05 | patrickstar1512_ | as |
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| 11:45.19 | uwjweq | How can I have my second display show a cool asci art on startup? |
| 11:45.20 | kombi_ | thank god.. |
| 11:45.27 | jpirie23 | lol yeah my thoughts exactly |
| 11:45.56 | Arafangion | kombi_: Your binaries don't match your system. |
| 11:46.15 | Arafangion | kombi_: We don't support mixed systems here. |
| 11:46.34 | Arafangion | kombi_: In general, there is no reason to have a mixed system, so if you have a mixed system, you're expected to manage it yourself. |
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| 11:47.03 | kombi_ | Arafangion: guess it's more a thing of flavours of debian, no other distro on that box at least |
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| 11:47.22 | Arafangion | kombi_: What do you mean by "flavour"? |
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| 11:48.21 | kombi_ | Arafangion: I thought that was the term for things like etch/lenny, but It just occurs to me that might stem from this other thing u... u.. can't remember.. |
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| 11:49.10 | jair | which pop server will be good to install in debian lenny, does anyone use one? |
| 11:49.14 | kombi_ | anyway, pure debian on that machine I swear to the almighty |
| 11:49.33 | kombi_ | jair: I use qpopper but mileage may vary |
| 11:49.33 | petemc | jair: dovecot works well |
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| 11:50.54 | drarok | Hallo, debian-ites! I think something has become a little broken on my etch install... |
| 11:50.57 | drarok | root@media:/etc/apt# aptitude show php5-cli |
| 11:50.57 | drarok | Package: php5-cli |
| 11:50.57 | drarok | State: not installed |
| 11:50.58 | drarok | Version: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 |
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| 11:51.27 | jair | petemc: dovecot is not a little overkill if I ma using it for an internal project only? three systems nothing else? |
| 11:51.36 | petemc | i dont think so |
| 11:51.52 | kombi_ | I agree |
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| 11:53.37 | jair | petemc: I will check it but I will see what the gpopper does as well. |
| 11:53.58 | jair | thank you kombi_ and petemc for the suggestions |
| 11:54.43 | kombi_ | best of luck! |
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| 11:55.43 | KIAaze | hi, what is the best way to make multiple debian packages from one source with the debian packages differing according to the configure flags used? |
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| 11:56.57 | Arafangion | On the other hand... gmail is pretty damn good. |
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| 11:57.35 | Arafangion | It can check external accounts for you - and you can configure it to use an alternate email address that you own, if you choose. :) |
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| 11:58.41 | Administrat | I need to delete ever row that begins with a "#" in a text file, how to? |
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| 11:58.59 | Arafangion | Administrat: grep |
| 11:59.05 | jelly | Administrat: grep -v ^# oldfile > newfile |
| 11:59.22 | Administrat | thx |
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| 11:59.50 | leOn | hello |
| 12:00.09 | Arafangion | Administrat: make sure that oldfile != newfile, and you may wish to quote the expressions for good measure, with single-tick quotes. |
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| 12:01.46 | uwjweq | does radiobutton_tag use the first and second parameter combined to create the id of the tag? |
| 12:01.53 | liable | KIAaze: this might help, not sure, take a look at the makefile and the control file. not sure what exactly you are trying to do, but it might give a pointer .. http://git.debian.org/?p=debian-eeepc/netcfg.git;a=tree;h=c6d407e19c1fec446e6bd70f8d486463b6c47d8b;hb=c6d407e19c1fec446e6bd70f8d486463b6c47d8b |
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| 12:03.11 | leOn | i'm having trouble with a multipath setup on lenny. I have an hba that is connected to a SAN and i also have a local logical drive. Problema is that no matter how i blacklist the local drive (sda) on multipath.conf, is keeps getting picked up by multipath and dmsetup. I've tried blacklist by dev name, wwid, etc .. nothing seems to work. I've search for clues on BTS, but nothing has come up. |
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| 12:03.50 | uwjweq | wrong channel sorry |
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| 12:04.10 | drarok | d'oh |
| 12:05.40 | KIAaze | thx liable |
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| 12:06.05 | KIAaze | but I think I'll have to change the makefile so it generates to different libraries :/ |
| 12:06.11 | KIAaze | two* |
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| 12:07.27 | jelly | leOn: care to pastebin your multipath.conf, and the output of "multipath -v2 -l"? |
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| 12:09.10 | jelly | leOn: I have blacklisted everything, then whitelisted a specific device type (vendor, product) in devices {} ... it's not on Debian though |
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| 12:10.42 | jaggz- | I'm using XFCE and Rhythmbox is installed.. is there a low-memory command-line mp3 player you'd recommend? |
| 12:10.44 | jaggz- | I used to use mpg123 |
| 12:10.49 | leOn | jelly: gimme 1 sec |
| 12:11.12 | jaggz- | I wonder which one to use.. osd, alsa... |
| 12:11.16 | Edward_Hyde | jaggz-, moc |
| 12:11.27 | nkuttler | jaggz-: cplay |
| 12:12.07 | Administrat | Thanks guys, it worked, however, I need to remove every blank line too... |
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| 12:13.57 | drarok | Anyone know why my etch box is showing lenny results in aptitude? http://pastie.org/454443 |
| 12:14.13 | petemc | drarok: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:14.23 | Zharf | is there some place with older sid packages than in the current sid repos? |
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| 12:14.32 | nkuttler | !tell Zharf about snapshot |
| 12:14.35 | zxd | Click here to download plugin |
| 12:14.36 | leOn | jelly: http://pastebin.com/de5df837 |
| 12:14.52 | jelly | Administrat: grep uses regular expressions. ^ means "beginning of the line"; $ means end of the line. '^$' means, end of line immediately after beginning of the line -- thus, an empty line |
| 12:15.05 | Zharf | nkuttler, thank you |
| 12:15.19 | ewet | hi, i want to extract (and finally uninstall) all installed "-dev" packages: aptitude search '~i"-dev$"' -F %p | sed ':a; /$/N; s/\n//; s/ \+/ /g; ta' any suggestions before I go and nuke my system? ;-) |
| 12:15.35 | leOn | jelly: sdas wwid is 360022190c8f44800116e4c9b04d74095 |
| 12:15.40 | Arafangion | jelly: That reminds me. How does it deal windows text files? |
| 12:15.53 | Arafangion | jelly: Would an empty line need ^.$ ? |
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| 12:16.23 | jair | petemc: I installed dovecot sound like is good for big heavy and light usage. :) |
| 12:16.25 | ewet | oh! hahaha after one hour of tr/grep/sed I forgot: i don't need this sed anymore.... |
| 12:16.34 | jelly | Arafangion: GNU grep built for Linux thinks "\n" is line delimiter, not "\r\n" |
| 12:16.44 | drarok | petemc: http://pastie.org/454446 |
| 12:16.56 | ewet | so the real question is: are all development packages really ending with -dev or not |
| 12:17.01 | jair | petemc: besides the other client gpopper sounds like windows crap :) |
| 12:17.06 | zinx | jelly: \r\n is crazytalk |
| 12:17.09 | nkuttler | drarok: stable != etch |
| 12:17.12 | petemc | drarok: your security lines point to stable, that is lenny |
| 12:17.19 | jelly | Arafangion: depending on what one really wants to do, ^[[:blank:]]*$ might do |
| 12:17.21 | leOn | jelly: multipath -ll shows nothing, but if i run multipath -d -v 3 sda gets listed |
| 12:17.36 | drarok | So how come the `data` box works as it should, but `media` is broken? :( |
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| 12:18.00 | Arafangion | jelly: I wonder if an octal excape would work. |
| 12:18.03 | leOn | all others (loop*, ram*, etc) show up as blacklisted, but not sda |
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| 12:19.08 | uwjweq | How can I have my second display show a cool ascii art on startup? |
| 12:19.19 | leOn | jelly: output of multipath -d -v 3 is here http://pastebin.com/d19baa67d |
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| 12:19.32 | zinx | uwjweq: short answer: you can't. |
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| 12:20.02 | uwjweq | zinx: But the whole bb project was just about doing just that afaik. |
| 12:20.18 | zinx | uwjweq: the system doesn't normall have the drivers required for that during boot |
| 12:20.44 | jair | petemc: so if I already had the server postfix up and running and was able to send emails, I installed dovecot-pop3d do i need to do any further configuration? |
| 12:20.54 | uwjweq | zinx: I can not have my two displays do something different at boot? |
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| 12:21.16 | zinx | uwjweq: not without some special in-kernel drivers, no |
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| 12:21.37 | petemc | jair: im not sure how well the out of the box config is, you may need to tell it where the mail is and how to authenticate users |
| 12:21.44 | zinx | uwjweq: i don't know if any such drivers exist at all, and existing for your particular card is even less likely :/ |
| 12:21.44 | petemc | s/well/good/ |
| 12:22.04 | zinx | uwjweq: once X starts, you can display something different on each monitor. |
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| 12:22.19 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 12:22.51 | gypsymauro | someone knows if ocsinventory on lenny is the same of ocsinventory-ng? I'm new about that but it's a bit confusing the name |
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| 12:23.29 | jair | petemc: right I think I have to, I am checking the dovecot.conf to see if makes sense |
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| 12:23.46 | zinx | uwjweq: you may see if the fbcon drivers for your card already support multihead |
| 12:23.48 | jair | petemc: also did you notice that out of the box there is a file called dovecont.conf.bak? |
| 12:23.55 | petemc | i didnt |
| 12:23.55 | zinx | uwjweq: i haven't looked at that stuff in quite some time |
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| 12:24.45 | jelly | judd: versions multipath-tools |
| 12:24.46 | judd | jelly: multipath-tools -- etch: 0.4.7-1.1etch1 etch-security: 0.4.7-1.1etch2 lenny: 0.4.8-14 squeeze: 0.4.8-14 lenny-security: 0.4.8-14+lenny1 sid: 0.4.8-15 |
| 12:25.05 | uwjweq | zinx: This should work out of the box. Also, no fb, I want ascii. |
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| 12:25.19 | zinx | uwjweq: it's definitely not going to work without fbcon. |
| 12:25.40 | zinx | uwjweq: plain vga text mode doesn't do that, sorry. |
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| 12:26.25 | zinx | uwjweq: you can show ascii images on fbcon.. you don't -have- to use the graphics capability :/ |
| 12:26.35 | uwjweq | yay |
| 12:26.40 | jelly | leOn: I'm puzzled as well. Even the first devnode entry in blacklist should match sda : "^(sda|...)[0-9]*" |
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| 12:27.25 | JJOliver | Hi, I've got a fresh Lenny install with open office. How do i make short cuts on the desktop to items such as OO writer? |
| 12:30.11 | Qtronix | just a question: Where has alsaconf gone since last v5 upgrade? |
| 12:30.27 | leOn | jelly: the real issue here is not multipath per se ... the problem is that when the machine boots up it gets all fscked up because of the extra /dev/dm- device it sets up |
| 12:30.40 | leOn | and that's being caused by multipath |
| 12:30.52 | jelly | leOn: why would it get all fscked up? |
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| 12:32.08 | bony | how to check which video driver is running in debian sid? |
| 12:32.17 | matt7676 | how can I log all incoming connections to my httpd server? |
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| 12:32.29 | matt7676 | ...using netstat |
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| 12:32.57 | leOn | jelly: somewhere in the boot process it starts confusing the dm- devices and starts wanting to use the SAN LUNs as the local disk |
| 12:33.04 | JJOliver | Hi, I've got a fresh Lenny install with open office. How do i make short cuts on the desktop to items such as OO writer? |
| 12:33.09 | petemc | matt7676: why not use your webservers logging facility ? |
| 12:33.28 | jelly | leOn: "starts wanting to use the SAN LUNs"... for what? |
| 12:33.40 | jelly | leOn: mounting filesystems? |
| 12:34.07 | jelly | leOn: you could use LABEL=... or UUID=... in /etc/fstab, if that's the only issue |
| 12:34.29 | matt7676 | petemc: I use Apache2. |
| 12:34.37 | petemc | matt7676: and? |
| 12:34.47 | at0m | dondelelcaro, chrooting then upgrading 2.6.26-1 to 2.6.26-2 fixed the kernel panic after upgrading only udev and grub, thanks again |
| 12:35.09 | matt7676 | petemc: is there a some specific command? Or a log file? |
| 12:35.33 | petemc | matt7676: it will log to /var/log/apache2/ , or whereever its told to log |
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| 12:36.13 | kombi_ | I managed to implant a libphp5.so from another box that works with this apache-ssl. Unfortunately still, the extension for mysql is missing. Which other file do I need to get from the other box? |
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| 12:36.40 | themill | kombi_: are you running etch or lenny? |
| 12:36.48 | kombi_ | etch |
| 12:36.51 | matt7676 | petemc: thank you! I'm a total beginner. It was under /var/log/apache2/access.log |
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| 12:37.10 | themill | kombi_: any particular reason why you want apache 1.3 not apache 2.2? |
| 12:37.10 | leOn | jelly: i'm already uing disk/by-id in both grub and fstab |
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| 12:37.26 | kombi_ | themill: just happened.. |
| 12:37.59 | themill | kombi_: you may as well get rid of apache-ssl then and use apache2.2. Apache 1.3 was discontinued a long time ago and isn't in lenny at all. |
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| 12:38.13 | kombi_ | little reluctant with upgrades on that production box.. |
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| 12:38.42 | nkuttler | kombi_: apache2 can be installed in parallel and tested on a different port |
| 12:38.43 | leOn | when it gets to the part of mounting the root fs, it barfs stating that /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-360022190c8f44800116e4c9b04d74095-part1 (sda1 and the root fs partition) device is busy |
| 12:38.56 | kombi_ | nkuttler: point taken.. |
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| 12:39.19 | leOn | then it just drops the initramfs console and stops there |
| 12:39.27 | kombi_ | maybe I shoult do that, been wrangling with this for quite a while now |
| 12:39.59 | jaggz- | moc and cplay it is :) thanks |
| 12:40.01 | themill | kombi_: can you pastebin the output of this for me: dpkg -l '*php*' '*apache*' libc6 | grep ^.i |
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| 12:40.07 | sep | leOn, tried adding something like rootdelay=10 to the boot argument line ? |
| 12:40.28 | mplex | I just upgraded from etch to lenny, and my root prompt now has the number 134 in front of it, even if I set PS1='\$ ', the prompt shows up as 134#, any ideas? |
| 12:40.34 | sep | basicaly giving it a bit more time. |
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| 12:40.50 | kombi_ | themill: wicked.. coming up.. |
| 12:40.52 | leOn | hmmm .. not yet .. i can try that |
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| 12:41.04 | leOn | lemme check if it makes any difference |
| 12:41.11 | jelly | leOn: can you replace line 145 w/ devnode "^sda" and get rid of line 146? |
| 12:41.51 | jelly | leOn: also, if you tried rebooting, did you remember to update the initramfs image after editing multipath.conf? |
| 12:42.16 | kombi_ | themill: sigh.. 2.2 is even on there....;) http://pastebin.se/197989 |
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| 12:42.53 | jelly | mplex: what does "echo $PS1" say? |
| 12:43.04 | Kano | hi, i search for the original debian 5.0 live-initramfs package (not the 5.0.1), where is the source? |
| 12:43.28 | themill | kombi_: that's not really an etch box btw... you have a funky mix of etch and old-lenny (not even current lenny) |
| 12:43.30 | Kano | snapshot.debian.net does not show it, only older packages |
| 12:43.42 | thnee | how do i make so shift+space doesnt produce a no-break-space? it's extremely annoying when coding.. |
| 12:43.47 | themill | kombi_: that will be one of the reasons you're having ABI mismatches |
| 12:44.04 | kombi_ | themill: whoops.. I sort of figured that.. thing is I got all working accept for the mysql-extension |
| 12:44.16 | mplex | jelly: it shows \$ when I echo $PS1 |
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| 12:44.59 | mplex | I just figured it out, I had some PROMPT_COMMAND variable set for screen, and it's not right anymore and looks like it was causing the issue |
| 12:45.03 | jelly | <leOn> when it gets to the part of mounting the root fs, it barfs stating that /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-360022190c8f44800116e4c9b04d74095-part1 (sda1 and the root fs partition) device is busy # that sounds like a bug, it should detect and mount root from the mpath device partition I guess |
| 12:45.17 | themill | kombi_: given that apache-ssl isn't in lenny, you've probably got a largely etch release of apache-ssl and not php stuff. |
| 12:45.28 | atzaus | I have a text file with various userid=<string> format does anyone know how I can extract all the <string> from it? |
| 12:45.38 | leOn | jelly: that's exacly the point .. if i use the initrd that didn't contain any multipath configuration, the machine boots just fine |
| 12:46.07 | jelly | leOn: dpkg -l multipath\* ? |
| 12:46.13 | leOn | if the used initrd is the updated one, the boot process hangs |
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| 12:47.35 | leOn | it's just plain lenny install so i'd say its the regular versions .. let me boot up the machine again and i'll tell you for sure |
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| 12:47.50 | jelly | leOn: regular versions of which packages? |
| 12:48.12 | jelly | leOn: there's multipath-tools and multipath-tools-boot |
| 12:48.49 | jelly | leOn: if you have the latter, it's supposed to make things work. If you only have the former, you just need to make the blacklist work |
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| 12:49.46 | themill | kombi_: but you really need to fix that box up at some stage. Given the frequency of php security releases, you really need to make sure your box can get hold of them without breaking apache. At this stage, it looks like you're going to have to mess with that box a lot, production machine or not. /msg dpkg etch->lenny ; /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 12:51.05 | kombi_ | themill: it could all be so easy if only it was easy...;);( |
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| 12:51.15 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
| 12:51.34 | themill | kombi_: with a box in that condition, nothing is going to be easy for you. |
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| 12:52.11 | jelly | migrating from apache 1.3 (apache-ssl) to apache 2.2 is certainly nontrivial |
| 12:52.32 | aprendiz001 | I have upgrade to lenny and since that I have an error converting in ffmpe due to: Unknown encoder 'mp3' |
| 12:52.33 | kombi_ | themill: true... I'll detach raid and plunge in, whish me luck..;) |
| 12:52.48 | aprendiz001 | I have installed mp3-encoder too |
| 12:52.52 | aprendiz001 | but the same error |
| 12:53.29 | themill | kombi_: take backups etc... if you can work on an image of the machine or have a backup server you can put in place for a while then that will take the pressure off you |
| 12:53.41 | jelly | aprendiz001: is you ffmpeg from debian or from debian-multimedia? |
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| 12:53.47 | jelly | aprendiz001: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 12:53.56 | leOn | jelly: i have both multipath-tools and multipath-tools-boot |
| 12:53.58 | aprendiz001 | debian multimedia |
| 12:54.16 | pirx_ | hi! what do i have to do to make cron run the stuff in /etc/cron.d/ ? |
| 12:54.16 | jelly | leOn: yup. Have you read the Description for multipath-tools-boot? |
| 12:54.31 | jelly | leOn: "Don't install this package if you're not booting from a multipath device." |
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| 12:55.53 | leOn | argh |
| 12:55.57 | leOn | let me check |
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| 12:57.07 | aprendiz001 | jelly, do you know what is the problem? |
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| 12:57.39 | jelly | aprendiz001: nope, if it was from debian, I'd suggest installing the other one :-) |
| 12:58.13 | aprendiz001 | it is from debian multimedia |
| 12:58.37 | jelly | aprendiz001: then I don't know |
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| 13:00.18 | zxd | I need a fontconfig guru |
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| 13:01.21 | OpenTokix | I doubt there is one =) |
| 13:01.57 | zxd | simply put I need to match based on when the font is being used to display hebrew , |
| 13:02.05 | [M4rk0] | Hello, after "aptitude upgrade" I've skipped changes in one .conf how can I reset that update to ask me again for updates |
| 13:02.53 | grand_grunt | [M4rk0] : "dpkg-reconfigure the_package_that_changes_the.conf" |
| 13:03.04 | [M4rk0] | thank you |
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| 13:08.44 | aprendiz001 | jelly, I have just fixed |
| 13:09.00 | aprendiz001 | instead of mp3 in the parameter use libmp3lame |
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| 13:12.00 | leOn | jelly: that was the problem |
| 13:12.01 | leOn | =) |
| 13:12.20 | leOn | i believed that both the packages were needed |
| 13:12.23 | jelly | leOn: Descriptions good. |
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| 13:19.41 | varlon | hi :-) just installed debian unstable, so I have broken dependenses, like libmetacity0 2.22 (need 2.24 for compiz), but have limetacity-private0 2.24 Can I fix it? Is it right to install compiz-gnome and ignore dependens to libmetacity0 (libmetacity-private is identical as I think)? |
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| 13:21.31 | [M4rk0] | One more question after bind9 upgrade |
| 13:22.01 | [M4rk0] | My users can't access dns server, only users in same subnet... |
| 13:22.22 | [M4rk0] | Is bind9 now blocking other subnets |
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| 13:34.11 | Zharf | sighs |
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| 13:53.24 | ajavid | does ext4 have to formatted brand new? |
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| 13:53.36 | ajavid | or can one turn/upgrade a existing drive to ext4 from ext3 |
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| 13:54.37 | ajavid | !ext4 |
| 13:54.37 | dpkg | hmm... ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. |
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| 13:55.28 | ajavid | http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions |
| 13:55.31 | ajavid | nm, I found it |
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| 13:57.59 | toshiba510cdt | can anyone recommend me a currently developed console cd player that comes with mixer and equalizer?? |
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| 14:02.21 | Roksteady | cfrun: error while loading shared libraries: libdb-4.1.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:02.39 | Roksteady | Why do I get that error on one machine but not the other? (cfengine2-2.1.20-1) |
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| 14:04.00 | Roksteady | hmm, it isn't the same cfrun binary, calls for investigation :) |
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| 14:05.03 | Krwawy_Drwal | Hello, i've got question. When kde-i18n in squeeze repo come back? |
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| 14:05.31 | jpinx-eeepc | zgosken: /msg nickserv help |
| 14:06.14 | Roksteady | apt-get install --reinstall cfengine2 helped. sorry for bothering you. |
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| 14:06.30 | Roksteady | man cfrun |
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| 14:09.01 | OldMonk | is there a command to install only the configuration files for a package if you've deleted one inadvertently? |
| 14:09.38 | OldMonk | er, re-install the configuration files |
| 14:09.54 | themill | dpkg: tell OldMonk about confmiss |
| 14:10.05 | themill | OldMonk: or extract them from the .deb yourself |
| 14:10.54 | module000 | OldMonk: what he said. confmiss is your friend |
| 14:11.06 | OldMonk | thanks, that should do the trick... searched all the apt* man pages and missed out dpkg altogether |
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| 14:11.23 | valdyn | [M4rk0]: sure it is |
| 14:11.44 | [M4rk0] | valdyn, aleluja :D |
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| 14:11.55 | [M4rk0] | how to allow them ? :D |
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| 14:12.15 | valdyn | [M4rk0]: seriously, why are you usign bind when you are to lazy to read the config files? |
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| 14:13.09 | [M4rk0] | I've readed all files in /etc/bind but don't know whats wrong ... whats different from before |
| 14:13.11 | themill | !bind9 lenny |
| 14:13.11 | dpkg | The bind9 package in lenny requires an "allow-query" option to permit queries from non-localhost clients. See http://bugs.debian.org/511797 and http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5358 |
| 14:13.26 | sarrafocapoeira | I'm installing debian on a pen drive, following this tutorial |
| 14:13.38 | valdyn | [M4rk0]: look if you have acl listen directives |
| 14:13.39 | sarrafocapoeira | http://www.eriberto.pro.br/wiki/index.php?title=Pendrive_de_boot_com_Debian_Lenny_customizado |
| 14:13.45 | valdyn | [M4rk0]: look if you have acl entries or listen directives |
| 14:13.55 | [M4rk0] | is ACL for other dns servers or end users ? |
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| 14:14.24 | valdyn | [M4rk0]: both |
| 14:15.00 | [M4rk0] | so there should be added my ip blocks |
| 14:15.13 | bzed | !tell [M4rk0] about bin9 lenny |
| 14:15.18 | bzed | !tell [M4rk0] about bind9 lenny |
| 14:15.27 | sarrafocapoeira | so that in time of the boot, he returns this message Could not find ramdisk image .. / initrd |
| 14:15.47 | [M4rk0] | bzed, AWE! :D |
| 14:15.49 | [M4rk0] | allow-query |
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| 14:22.11 | ajavid | /sbin/MAKEDEV: warning: can't read /proc/devices |
| 14:22.27 | ajavid | does it sound like I forgot to mount proc? |
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| 14:22.42 | ajavid | or what? so far I don't need to mount proc do I |
| 14:22.47 | OldMonk | themill, module000: thanks |
| 14:22.48 | ajavid | (debootstrap install) |
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| 14:23.30 | ajavid | well, at least I have lots of more devices now than before, so I guess its good |
| 14:23.33 | valdyn | ajavid: you need to mount proc inside the chroot |
| 14:23.58 | ajavid | but I thought first you have to copy the device nodes OR create generic ones like this |
| 14:24.07 | ajavid | and then you can mont proc afterwards ? |
| 14:24.21 | valdyn | ajavid: or just mount the root's /dev |
| 14:24.22 | ajavid | I mean dev nodes from the host system |
| 14:24.26 | ajavid | yes |
| 14:24.31 | valdyn | ajavid: /dev/ needs no static content. |
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| 14:24.45 | ajavid | hmm, I'm following the amd64 install guide |
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| 14:24.59 | valdyn | ajavid: install guide covers debootstrap? |
| 14:25.04 | ajavid | yessir |
| 14:25.16 | ajavid | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/apds03.html |
| 14:25.16 | valdyn | ajavid: I see, im sure there are several methods |
| 14:25.23 | ajavid | valdyn, there are |
| 14:25.26 | valdyn | ajavid: just mount /proc |
| 14:25.36 | ajavid | I think I'll mount --bind dev from the host machine |
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| 14:25.46 | valdyn | ajavid: thats what i do |
| 14:25.52 | ajavid | ok cool |
| 14:25.59 | valdyn | ajavid: the udev package is aware of chroot and will act appropriate if you install it |
| 14:26.31 | ajavid | fantastic |
| 14:26.38 | valdyn | ajavid: daemons typically arent aware though, so you need to take a little care there |
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| 14:27.54 | ajavid | valdyn, what kind of care? |
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| 14:29.38 | themill | policykit is designed to solve that for you (mostly) |
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| 14:31.51 | roe_ | I am trying to track down an auth problem. PAM is authing via ldap to AD - getent passwd returns all of the valid AD users, but I can't login as any of them |
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| 14:37.11 | datacrusher | mostly certain |
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| 14:38.00 | valdyn | ajavid: if a daemon that is running in the main system and installed in the chroot it might replace the currently running one |
| 14:38.07 | stevem | How do I list the packages in my repo using repreopro? |
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| 14:43.06 | valdyn | themill: solve what? |
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| 14:44.14 | latschen_ | hallo ?? |
| 14:44.23 | latschen_ | jemand da |
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| 14:46.53 | toshiba510cdt | i am very happy running debian gnu/linux lenny (released February 2009) on my ancient Pentium 133 MHz 80 MB RAM laptop |
| 14:47.16 | jelly | except for your soundcard. |
| 14:47.20 | toshiba510cdt | now even happier since i managed to solve my sound mixer problem |
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| 14:47.25 | jelly | ooh! |
| 14:47.33 | valdyn | jesus, its still a "mixer" problem |
| 14:47.34 | jelly | cookies for everyones |
| 14:47.47 | jelly | valdyn: not if it's solved! |
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| 14:48.10 | valdyn | !win |
| 14:48.11 | toshiba510cdt | it is solved! i can use the mixer, play cds and so on |
| 14:48.22 | toshiba510cdt | but... |
| 14:48.31 | jelly | dpkg: test |
| 14:48.32 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 14:48.36 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: how did you solve it? |
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| 14:48.42 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: wait .. what was the issue? |
| 14:48.47 | jelly | there's always a but. |
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| 14:48.52 | enouf | well .. i mean how did you solve it? |
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| 14:49.15 | Optic | i have a large distributed cluster of debian machines and I want to manage configuration and installed packages... what's the best tool to use? |
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| 14:49.20 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: and are your dbus and hal still broken? |
| 14:49.29 | Optic | looking at cfengine but it's a bit too low-level |
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| 14:49.47 | toshiba510cdt | well, everybody here drones "ubuntu is not debian" but managed to find find the solution on an ubuntu forum |
| 14:50.06 | valdyn | Optic: you really want to use something low level, if possible a level below dpkg / apt-get |
| 14:50.13 | enouf | that's not critical .. let's see toshiba510cdt |
| 14:50.19 | toshiba510cdt | even though it is not possible to run ubuntu on a Pentium 133 MHz 80 MB RAM |
| 14:50.22 | ToreadorVampire | A random apt question now I have been running a server for a while ... I'm sure this exists but I don't know how to do it ... how would I (from the commandline) get apt to tell me the package names of "packages that are ready for upgrade" ? |
| 14:50.28 | valdyn | Optic: rsync for instance |
| 14:50.35 | Optic | hmm |
| 14:50.37 | enouf | (in all instances, since ubuntu pulls from debian) |
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| 14:50.49 | Optic | not all of the machines are going to end up being identical |
| 14:51.11 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: so stop with the drama and point to the fix |
| 14:51.13 | valdyn | Optic: yea, thats what i thought, so the easiest solution cant be used.. |
| 14:51.40 | Optic | i want to be able to audit what packages are installed, and tell hosts which ones they should have |
| 14:51.42 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, i do not know whether i need hal and dbus in the 1st place and i need to disable some services to save ram and cpu, you know! everything counts on a Pentium 133 MHz! |
| 14:51.46 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: you could use -s and -u |
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| 14:51.55 | ranix | wtf |
| 14:51.58 | ranix | disable services |
| 14:52.07 | ranix | stop windowsing in my #debian |
| 14:52.20 | ranix | I run Lenny on a p133 with 14 megs of ram no problem |
| 14:52.21 | valdyn | Optic: is there a good reason why you cannot install the same stuff on most hosts? |
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| 14:52.34 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: that's not a sound mixer, nor and alsa fix |
| 14:52.37 | toshiba510cdt | the fix can be found on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=109057&page=3 |
| 14:52.40 | Optic | valdyn: not all hosts are the same hardware configuration unfortunately |
| 14:52.43 | enouf | s/and/an/ |
| 14:52.50 | Optic | this group of machines grew organically over many years |
| 14:52.59 | Optic | there's about 300 now |
| 14:53.10 | gotnone_ | enouf, there is no mixer, but there is a fix for the alsa playback issue |
| 14:53.15 | toshiba510cdt | executing the command: modprobe ad1848 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0 |
| 14:53.37 | valdyn | Optic: nothing beats having to manage nothing, like with rsync.. |
| 14:53.39 | ranix | the last time I installed a sound driver like that, I used isapnptools |
| 14:53.51 | Optic | valdyn: yeah |
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| 14:53.52 | ranix | I don't know if ALSA supports that business |
| 14:53.55 | valdyn | Optic: but since that cant fit demand, i dont know anything but cfengine really |
| 14:54.13 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: not sure if grep-available is more apropro a tool, or perhaps even apt-show-versions even might be? |
| 14:54.27 | valdyn | Optic: maybe you can use rsync for packages and something like puppet for config |
| 14:54.36 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: that's not the module you were using, IINM |
| 14:54.38 | Optic | hmm, puppet |
| 14:54.46 | Optic | i haven't looked at that one |
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| 14:55.13 | enouf | judd: versions pnputils |
| 14:55.14 | judd | enouf: pnputils -- etch-backports: 0.1-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.1-3 sid: 0.1-3 squeeze: 0.1-3 |
| 14:55.17 | ranix | can a p133 even decode mp3s in real-time? |
| 14:55.22 | toshiba510cdt | does anyone here use tcd? i am looking for something similar but with mixer and equalizer and yes, ncurses/console based! |
| 14:55.32 | enouf | ranix: sure |
| 14:55.47 | valdyn | Optic: whatever you are going to use, apt-get is not made for this, youd already have to tweak alot just to make it noninteractive for most cases |
| 14:55.53 | ranix | I remember playing mp3s on my k6 |
| 14:56.08 | Optic | valdyn: right... that's true |
| 14:56.08 | ranix | but I don't think they were really around back in the days I had a 133 |
| 14:56.17 | Optic | valdyn: right now we do updates on a fairly manual basis |
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| 14:56.22 | Optic | and have no good method of auditng |
| 14:56.29 | Optic | but our stuff is at least packaged in debs now :) |
| 14:56.48 | toshiba510cdt | ranix, a k6 is way more powerful than a Pentium 133 MHz |
| 14:57.20 | enouf | welp, atleast i was near the mark with sound usually being on irq 5 |
| 14:57.26 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: not really |
| 14:57.30 | ajavid | yo |
| 14:57.46 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: the 2nd and 3rd gen, yes |
| 14:58.34 | enouf | ajavid: yo yo .. my numlock won't go on at all .. nor scrollock, nor any other ones .. gah! |
| 14:58.35 | toshiba510cdt | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.45 | ToreadorVampire | enouf> Hmm, this feels a little dirty, but it seems to work on my system ... |
| 14:58.48 | toshiba510cdt | 13 years old |
| 14:58.50 | ToreadorVampire | enouf> apt-get -su upgrade | grep -E '^\s+.*' |
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| 14:59.10 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: the -u == upgrade |
| 14:59.29 | enouf | so apt-get -s -u install ... |
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| 14:59.37 | ToreadorVampire | Oh ... |
| 14:59.53 | ranix | toshiba510cdt: I do realize. Actually, my comment only makes sense if I did realize this, and makes no sense otherwise |
| 14:59.54 | toshiba510cdt | <enouf> maybe your confusing the k6 with the k5 |
| 14:59.55 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: man apt-get ; see debian reference |
| 14:59.56 | themill | valdyn: invoke-rc.d running inside the chroot will (normally) check polkit to decide if it should do anything or not and so it won't kill the daemon running outside the chroot on you. |
| 15:00.16 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: i might be ... i forget now .. don't make me look ;-) |
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| 15:00.59 | enouf | oh dear ; this policykit, polkit reminds me of mpoop's policy editor, poledit |
| 15:01.17 | enouf | gpedit even on xpoop pro |
| 15:01.17 | ranix | toshiba510cdt: you know how you linked a thread that has an Ubuntu solution to your sound problem? |
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| 15:01.29 | toshiba510cdt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.31 | enouf | 'group policy editor' |
| 15:01.35 | ranix | toshiba510cdt: the very final post says "This problem is not solved at all, never was, and it has been years." |
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| 15:02.15 | toshiba510cdt | ranix, well the problem was solved on my lapto |
| 15:02.22 | toshiba510cdt | ranix, well the problem was solved on my laptop, anyway |
| 15:02.23 | ToreadorVampire | enouf> OK - that totally confused me then - because if I do what you suggest then I get no results back at all |
| 15:02.40 | ranix | ToreadorVampire: you need more d10s |
| 15:02.40 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: what happens now when you fireup alsamixer? |
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| 15:02.58 | ToreadorVampire | ranix> Hehe, but irrelevant |
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| 15:03.20 | ranix | ToreadorVampire: if you had more dice in your hacking pool you wouldn't be having these problems |
| 15:03.24 | ranix | ToreadorVampire: use your Auspex |
| 15:03.24 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: also, have you now compared the outputs from your yesterday's pastebins to after your fix? also; is cat /proc/cmdline still the same ? |
| 15:03.37 | toshiba510cdt | if i fireup alsamixer it fails but i use aumix which is great |
| 15:03.50 | twouters | does the perl maintenance group have a seperate channel on irc? |
| 15:03.50 | valdyn | oss vs alsa |
| 15:03.51 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: hrm ... one sec .. |
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| 15:04.13 | ToreadorVampire | ranix> Heh, I haven't played VtM for so long ... just - this nickname is from before I stopped playing it |
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| 15:04.21 | ranix | I have never played it |
| 15:04.32 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: correct, my example would be per pkgname ... sorry |
| 15:05.01 | ToreadorVampire | enouf> Oh, right ... I just want a list of "what's available to be upgraded" |
| 15:05.05 | toshiba510cdt | enouf, the ouputs are different. now they mention sound devices and the like |
| 15:05.23 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: or feeding apt-get a list .. again, one moment |
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| 15:05.45 | ToreadorVampire | So I don't actually need the -u option, just an "apt-get -s upgrade" will get me what I want - but then I need to grep the raw package names out of that |
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| 15:06.39 | ToreadorVampire | Just - "praying that I can get the package names out with a grep for lines that begin in whitespace" seems non-ideal. I was hoping that there was a way I could just get apt to output "what's available for upgrade" |
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| 15:07.18 | ToreadorVampire | I mean - every GUI package manager app must be able to do it in order to display "what's available for upgrade" - so I had assumed it would be a builtin function |
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| 15:07.32 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: just do a normal dist-upgrade but use -s |
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| 15:07.41 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: or try using aptitude |
| 15:08.04 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: make sure you have no odd release versions in sources.list |
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| 15:08.20 | themill | judd info apt-show-versions |
| 15:08.21 | judd | themill: apt-show-versions (admin): is optional; Version: 0.15; Size: 35.7k; Installed: 184k -- lists available package versions with distribution |
| 15:08.31 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: there are a;lso upgrade-* (managers) |
| 15:08.32 | themill | ToreadorVampire: ^^ |
| 15:08.46 | enouf | and i mentioned that as a possibility earlier ... |
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| 15:09.18 | ToreadorVampire | Oh - I don't have apt-show-versions - I assume it's an installable .. |
| 15:09.25 | enouf | indeed |
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| 15:10.19 | enouf | judd info aumix |
| 15:10.20 | judd | enouf: aumix (sound): is extra; Version: 2.8-21; Size: 76.9k; Installed: 252k -- Simple text-based mixer control program |
| 15:10.38 | enouf | judd info alsamixer |
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| 15:10.53 | enouf | bah, it's in alsautils anyway |
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| 15:13.14 | ToreadorVampire | enouf, themill> Ah - this seems more like it: apt-show-versions -u -b | grep -Eo '^[^/]+' |
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| 15:13.46 | dhuv | hello all, I am having a bit of a routing problem. I am not trying to do anything fancy, I have 2 inet connections (cable & dsl) Cable is the default gateway, but if I try to ssh to the dsl connection I see packets leaving through the cable connection |
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| 15:14.03 | ToreadorVampire | Thanks :) That gives me "just the package names" that are ready for upgrade - which is what I was after :) |
| 15:14.04 | dhuv | This has worked in the past by default, but I am not sure what I am missing now |
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| 15:14.52 | themill | ToreadorVampire: btw it sounds like you are trying to reinvent things like apt-listchanges or cron-apt. |
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| 15:15.50 | ToreadorVampire | themill> Since I have never heard of apt-listchanges and cron-apt ... maybe! |
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| 15:16.22 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: also; consider that recommends are installed via default, (which can be disabled) - and, it seems to me you think you are second guessing the pkg manager a bit .. since, if you try various pkgnames in a list and upgrade those only you will see very varied results (mostly due to Depends) |
| 15:16.50 | themill | (the difference between safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, in fact) |
| 15:17.00 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: i use apt-listchanges, it shows you the changelogs of pkgs you're installing/upgrading just prior to installing |
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| 15:17.19 | ray66 | What repository should I use to download Sun-Jre 6u13_linux to be install in synpatic or kpackage |
| 15:17.31 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: it has various output/pager/browser capabilities and mails whomever you want it to |
| 15:17.51 | themill | ray66: do you have a specific need for exactly that version? |
| 15:18.05 | ray66 | yes for yahoo system |
| 15:18.37 | enouf | themill: is the {safe,full}-upgrade things also incorporated into apt-get now? as it is in aptitude? |
| 15:18.52 | empiric1 | guys i want to configure HP data protetor client with kerberos on debian |
| 15:18.55 | empiric1 | any idea? |
| 15:18.57 | themill | enouf: aptitude only, I think |
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| 15:19.30 | enouf | ok, thanks themill - if/when i upgrade soon .. and i get the sid apt version, i'll read what apt-listchanges tells me ;-0 and report back |
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| 15:20.24 | themill | ray66: I suspect that you'll have no problems with 6b12 rather than 6b13. sun-java6-jre is included in the non-free section of the debian repositories. /msg dpkg non-free sources ; /msg dpkg install java |
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| 15:20.50 | ToreadorVampire | enouf> Er, right - lemme have a look at apt-listchanges |
| 15:20.57 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: 'dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges' when you want to reconfig it, also the 'configure-debian' pkg can help you determine which pkgs are avail to "dpkg-reconfigure ..." |
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| 15:21.40 | ToreadorVampire | I don't want something that will *install* the packages for me or do those upgrades - I just want something that will let me know that there are new packages ready to be upgraded, and what they are |
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| 15:22.14 | themill | ToreadorVampire: cron-apt... |
| 15:22.17 | ray66 | themill...Thanks will try it |
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| 15:23.44 | ToreadorVampire | Er, yeah - looking at the package descriptions, cron-apt seems to be closer to what I want |
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| 15:24.22 | ToreadorVampire | I just want it to email me and let me know "5 new packages available on machine XXX, those packages are A, B, C, D and E" |
| 15:24.34 | ToreadorVampire | I don't actually want to automate the installation of those packages at all |
| 15:25.17 | ToreadorVampire | Well, I don't mean "new" I mean "upgradable" |
| 15:25.22 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: ~$ apt-cache search --names-only upgrade |
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| 15:25.43 | enouf | but also check BTS concerning any of those |
| 15:26.19 | themill | ToreadorVampire: then cron-apt will do that quite nicely. You may want to fiddle with a hook to beautify the package names if you want, but I'm quite happy with cron-apt for that.... it will even download the packages for me if I want so that I don't have to wait for that later when I do it by hand. |
| 15:26.42 | ToreadorVampire | themill> Yeah, I wouldn't even want cron-apt to do that for me |
| 15:27.21 | themill | ToreadorVampire: it's completely configurable. I have some machines that are behind a private repo that automatically install updates as I feed them into the repo. |
| 15:28.02 | myeggo | what is the correct channel to make questions about stty command? |
| 15:28.03 | ToreadorVampire | Mmm ... the second part of this is that I don't want the application itself to email me the logs (although at this first stage, I'm cool with that) |
| 15:28.04 | themill | ToreadorVampire: so you can use it to only notify, notify+download or notify+download+install -- up to you, and there are probably other configurations that you could come up with too... |
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| 15:28.32 | ToreadorVampire | Later I want to gather together a few different reports from various "heathcheck" functions and have them sent in a single, consolidated email |
| 15:29.05 | themill | ToreadorVampire: cron-apt can be told not to email you too, if you'd like... |
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| 15:30.44 | ToreadorVampire | So (say fortnightly) I get an email with results from a few different parameters/monitored things - including stuff like monitoring disk/RAM usage, monitoring things like the size of my webserver disk cache - and a few other things sent in CSV format so that I can drop 'em into a spreadsheet and graph 'em |
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| 15:31.22 | enouf | ranix: did you notice the modprobe fix that toshibacraptopguy mentioned doesn't mention how to automate that at boot using; options <modulename> [parms] .. in /etc/modprobe.d/* ? |
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| 15:33.03 | themill | ToreadorVampire: I'd personally not be leaving updates for a fortnight... You may also like to look at logwatch. What it looks at and how it logs it is configurable |
| 15:33.23 | roe_ | anyone know where I can find, if there is one, the nscd website? |
| 15:33.58 | gotnone_ | enouf, it is too bad the toshiba guy left, I helped debug the driver for his (and my) laptop back in February, the alsa git repository has a kernel where the proper driver for his card works |
| 15:34.09 | themill | roe_: it's part of glibc |
| 15:34.46 | roe_ | themill, really? |
| 15:34.58 | ToreadorVampire | themill> Well, I don't want to be bugged by updates too often - I found with my desktop machine that if the update icon was constantly annoying me, I would just ignore it and do other stuff - so I reconfigured it to only check for updates weekly - that way I knew that when it did come around - it was important to do them |
| 15:34.58 | roe_ | name service caching daemon is part of glibc? |
| 15:35.14 | themill | roe_: I presume you mean this? http://packages.debian.org/sid/nscd Check the "source package" information on the right sidebar |
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| 15:35.58 | ToreadorVampire | My desktop box that runs WinXP - especially because it has to be rebooted in order to install updates - pretty much never gets updated. That's mostly because I never want to reboot it |
| 15:36.04 | enouf | gotnone_: gah!... what a dump .. i could've swore yesterday he was toying with the module snd_cs4232 for his ISA soundcard anyways .. maybe it was someone else |
| 15:36.16 | roe_ | themill, yup, that's the one |
| 15:36.50 | themill | ToreadorVampire: when debian releases a security update, I want to know about it and have it installed.... btw cron-apt only bugs you when there's something that you need to do, not just every time it's run |
| 15:37.23 | gotnone_ | enouf, I don't know, but the fixed driver is now called snd_cs4236, the devs merged a couple of drivers once they figured out and fixed some detection code. |
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| 15:38.14 | enouf | gotnone_: righto .. ok, there were a couple of snd_cs42?? that were loaded, IIRC |
| 15:38.29 | ToreadorVampire | Mmm ... at most I'd have it weekly though - my core business is not "managing a server" - so I don't want my servers to monopolise my time - I want to be getting on with the job I'm paid to do |
| 15:38.29 | yitz_ | Is there some way to get gnome-terminal to support opening a link with a single left click? |
| 15:38.59 | gotnone_ | enouf, right, you had to blacklist in the past, but even then, the driver was broken for toshibas and probably other cs4232 cards |
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| 15:39.05 | enouf | gotnone_: and perhaps he just pasted the fix as written in the forums, and didn't substitute his specific module in the example he pasted here |
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| 15:39.09 | ToreadorVampire | So if I get alerts too frequently, I would just start ignoring them, and the purpose of this is so that "I know I am getting alerts regularly" |
| 15:39.36 | themill | ToreadorVampire: you're only getting these emails from cron-apt if you've actually got something you *should* be doing *now*. |
| 15:39.40 | enouf | gotnone_: i see .. well, thanks for your efforts and work, sincerely |
| 15:40.03 | themill | ToreadorVampire: we're talking once every few weeks or longer for a typical server. |
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| 15:40.32 | gotnone_ | enouf, it really only amounted on my end to compiling and testing. I am all thumbs when it comes to actual driver development :) |
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| 15:40.38 | zoobab01 | hi |
| 15:40.54 | zoobab01 | is there any debian developer here? |
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| 15:41.27 | enouf | zoobab01: there are a few many times that hang about .. what's up? |
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| 15:42.02 | enouf | zoobab01: and they also reply many times .. it all depends on peoples' schedules and if they feel they can help |
| 15:42.27 | zoobab01 | I am trying to package openamq for debian |
| 15:42.39 | zoobab01 | I want to know what is the policy of debian for dependencies |
| 15:42.44 | enouf | zoobab01: i'd say /msg dpkg nmg to start |
| 15:42.46 | zoobab01 | because I have a lib called libapr |
| 15:42.52 | zoobab01 | which is an old forked version |
| 15:42.52 | ToreadorVampire | themill> Hmm, certainly something to think about - but I don't want the server to dictate what I should be doing to me - I want to dictate to it - I don't care too much if a security update waits a week or two to get installed. It might not be perfect, but it's better than how that server is managed at the moment ... |
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| 15:43.13 | enouf | wow .. down arrow key has now failed too .. gah |
| 15:43.27 | themill | ToreadorVampire: you should never be getting these alerts regularly... you would get one, deal with it and then move on. It's a cost/benefit analysis. Being pinged by your server "I've got an update to be installed" is little overhead for you. Having to do an unscheduled rebuild of your server because it got knocked over because you failed to do an update. You'd not be so happy then... |
| 15:43.30 | ToreadorVampire | themill> ... which is "when I remember to do an upgrade/update I do it" « And that might be once every two months |
| 15:43.48 | stew | zoobab01: the same libapr that is already in debian? (the apache virtualizing stuff?) |
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| 15:44.26 | ToreadorVampire | themill> Yeah - I'm not just thinking about apt packages though - I'm thinking about a much larger picture, with a lot more information involved |
| 15:44.31 | themill | ToreadorVampire: that's truly the wrong approach to patching. That's the microsoft approach ("all patches can wait until Tuesday next month no matter whether people are already exploiting it") |
| 15:45.13 | ranix | is it really that much time out of your day to run "apt-get update" |
| 15:45.16 | themill | ToreadorVampire: right... so keep that "other info" down to fortnightly or whatever you want, but keep on top of your own patching. Perhaps let cron-apt run independently of the rest of your maintenance set up. |
| 15:46.33 | yitz_ | Is there some way to get gnome-terminal to support opening a link with a single left click? |
| 15:47.03 | ToreadorVampire | themill> The issue is that I don't want to be patching my server - I don't want to be checking that the backup worked, I don't want to be checking that my webserver disk cache size stayed within parameters, I don't want to be checking that my RAM usage didn't go off the charts ... I want to be doing my main job (which is web development). Any time spent maintaining my webserver is basically unpaid work (especi |
| 15:47.04 | ToreadorVampire | ally since I am freelance) |
| 15:47.53 | ranix | ToreadorVampire: ah, the good old "it's not my job so I don't care if it's not done right" |
| 15:48.10 | themill | ToreadorVampire: Feel free to keep the rest of that maintenance work to your monthly schedule if that's what you want, but I would do patching asynchronously to that. You're asking for trouble not to do so. |
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| 15:48.36 | ToreadorVampire | themill> But - yeah ... maybe I need to reconsider and allow "available updates" to happen faster - maybe on a more frequent schedule ... |
| 15:48.46 | stew | <zoobab01> no an old one |
| 15:48.46 | ranix | themill: you can't argue with a "it's not my job". It's a "no u times infinity" argument |
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| 15:48.54 | themill | ToreadorVampire: highly recommended |
| 15:48.58 | stew | zoobab01: you mean an older version of the same, or something completely different? |
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| 15:49.06 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: I have had the three applications running continuously for 2 days now and they haven't crashed yet:) |
| 15:49.16 | ToreadorVampire | thx for the opinions/info |
| 15:49.16 | themill | ToreadorVampire: and if you let cron-apt also download (but not install) the package so that all you have to do is log in and install it, then it will take even less of your time to keep up with the patching. |
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| 15:50.26 | ToreadorVampire | Mmm ... also ... (although this is a future thing) - is there a way that I can separate package updates that were security patches and package updates that were "less important" - such as bugfixes or whatnot |
| 15:50.43 | astro29 | some people say: "debian is not for desktop use.", why? is it not friendly enough? |
| 15:51.03 | yitz_ | astro29: Its got a slow release cycle |
| 15:51.07 | Optic | cause it's linux! |
| 15:51.09 | ToreadorVampire | But ... then again ... if I was installing the security patches, there's no real reason not to do the other patches |
| 15:51.09 | Optic | ducks |
| 15:51.30 | astro29 | yitz_: is this that bad? |
| 15:51.30 | ToreadorVampire | Mmm - I don' use debian for desktop use because the included software is often a bit too stale for me |
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| 15:51.48 | yitz_ | astro29: It took 3 months until I could get Firefox 3 |
| 15:51.56 | ToreadorVampire | On the server, yes - debian all the way because I want rock solid software that "runs itself" |
| 15:51.57 | astro29 | actually you can upgrade the software you use by yourself, don't? |
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| 15:52.22 | themill | ToreadorVampire: as a general rule, debian stable *only* gets security updates. (other updates are quite rare) |
| 15:52.25 | ToreadorVampire | But on the desktop I prefer Ubuntu (well, Kubuntu actually, I like KDE more than Gnome) |
| 15:52.36 | yitz_ | astro29: Firefox 3 depended on a new version of GTK and upgrading GTK means upgrading a lot of the Gnome stuff |
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| 15:53.02 | enouf | ToreadorVampire: nobody here cares about other OSes :-P |
| 15:53.05 | martian67 | imo debian unstable is just fine for a desktop |
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| 15:53.16 | martian67 | its not quite bleeding edge, but its close |
| 15:53.26 | enouf | tries to fix his broken keyboard |
| 15:53.33 | martian67 | also not nearly as broken as gentoo tends to be |
| 15:53.39 | martian67 | although there is the occational snafu |
| 15:53.43 | yitz_ | martian67: Is that sid? I had lots of... trouble with sid |
| 15:53.43 | ToreadorVampire | astro29> Also - if you're using a distro that has a reliable packaging system and repository software, it seems a bit daft to go break a load of that and install a stack of compiled-from-source software ... |
| 15:53.50 | themill | ToreadorVampire: (and with Lenny just released, it's a bit hard to call it stale!) But seriously, you're prepared to version chase and spend a lot of time upgrading your ubuntu machine(s) all the time, but not prepared to spend a little time looking after a server? |
| 15:53.50 | martian67 | yitz_, nope |
| 15:53.56 | martian67 | its one step down from sid |
| 15:53.57 | ranix | debian unstable is too bleeding edge for a desktop, martian67 |
| 15:54.07 | martian67 | ranix, thats a matter of opinion |
| 15:54.16 | martian67 | i ment debian testing |
| 15:54.17 | martian67 | oops |
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| 15:54.33 | ToreadorVampire | themill> Hehe - actually, I'm purposely sticking with Ubuntu Hardy Heron atm, because the version chasing seems a bit pointless/timewasting |
| 15:54.41 | ranix | testing now is not a wonderful idea for a desktop, but I agree that it usually is the best choice |
| 15:54.41 | astro29 | That's sad. I'm looking for a stable OS to use, it'll be for desktop use (actually to code in c++ and encode videos), I can't rely on Ubuntu, it crashes a lot on my computer. |
| 15:54.42 | yitz_ | Darn. Shoulda gone to testing from sid, not stable... |
| 15:54.46 | peterrooney | astro29: martian67: consider the possibility that unstable is correctly named. |
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| 15:55.00 | valdyn | astro29: just use debian. |
| 15:55.16 | ranix | ubuntu crashes? |
| 15:55.20 | ToreadorVampire | Although, when Jaunty goes stable I might give it a try and install it on a USB stick to try out |
| 15:55.20 | martian67 | astro29, debian stable is fine |
| 15:55.23 | yitz_ | astro29: Debian stable is... stable. So long as you don't break packages etc |
| 15:55.23 | ranix | define crash |
| 15:55.29 | astro29 | freezes, better now? |
| 15:55.38 | peterrooney | astro29: use debian, but run memtest86 over an entire weekend first. |
| 15:55.45 | ranix | astro29: have you considered hardware failure or identifying the problem |
| 15:55.49 | yitz_ | astro29: Find which process and deal with it |
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| 15:55.55 | peterrooney | ranix: yikes. |
| 15:55.56 | astro29 | ranix, yes, for about 1 month |
| 15:56.04 | ranix | astro29: did you find the problem |
| 15:56.04 | yitz_ | peterrooney: An entire weekend? Wow... |
| 15:56.19 | martian67 | ubuntu is a pile of shit |
| 15:56.19 | martian67 | sorry, but its true |
| 15:56.19 | lillis | Hmm.. |
| 15:56.20 | lillis | I installed deb with KDE |
| 15:56.20 | lillis | To try it out.. |
| 15:56.21 | valdyn | silly to run it an entire weekend |
| 15:56.23 | valdyn | very silly |
| 15:56.34 | martian67 | you cannot upgrade a ubuntu installation without EVERYTHING breaking |
| 15:56.43 | lillis | I quickly realised that I can't live with anything but Fluxbox, so I installed that and became happy again. However there's the Desktop folder in my home dir |
| 15:56.43 | martian67 | ive never seen a stable->stable update to debian break |
| 15:56.49 | yitz_ | Which is why rolling distros are so neat |
| 15:56.50 | lillis | I rm -rf it every day but it just keeps coming back |
| 15:56.51 | astro29 | yes, it just freezes because of a bug in the wireless driver |
| 15:56.54 | lillis | how do I delete it permanently? |
| 15:57.11 | astro29 | ranix, now i need to use proprietary ones, and I don't like to |
| 15:57.12 | yitz_ | astro29: You can blacklist that module |
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| 15:57.16 | enouf | gah .. "duplicate backspace key and tab key, and mouse key." .. oh ffs, that's a duplicate TAB button? |
| 15:57.26 | valdyn | lillis: why do you care about that directory? |
| 15:57.38 | yitz_ | lillis: Add it to your .bash_profile ? |
| 15:57.47 | astro29 | i can do a lot of things that I already done, and it didn't solved my problem, i don't think ubuntu is the solution for me. |
| 15:57.47 | valdyn | yitz_: thats even more silly |
| 15:57.48 | ranix | ah, astro29, just want to mention that will be really more likely the fault of the manufacturer over Ubuntu |
| 15:57.59 | lillis | valdyn: I'm autistic, it's very irritating to me |
| 15:58.04 | lillis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:58.13 | astro29 | ranix, I'm not saying I don't like Ubuntu, it just doesn't fit. |
| 15:58.17 | lillis | clean from stuff that I don't chose to be there that is |
| 15:58.18 | ranix | astro29: I do not use Ubuntu because of the poor mentality of users, the poor goal of the distribution, the poor installers, and the sloppy package management |
| 15:58.19 | valdyn | lillis: you are using an application that uses that directory |
| 15:58.26 | valdyn | lillis: are you using nautilus file manager? |
| 15:58.29 | ranix | package maintenance, rather |
| 15:58.38 | lillis | unless it autostarts with X/Fluxbox, no |
| 15:58.40 | astro29 | OpenSuSE and Madriva worked fine, but I didn't feel comfortable with them. |
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| 15:58.50 | yitz_ | I want a terminal that lets me open links with a single left click |
| 15:58.53 | LiCeT | hi all |
| 15:58.54 | valdyn | lillis: it stores ( part of ) what you see on the desktop |
| 15:59.01 | ToreadorVampire | Anyway - time's up for IRC - have already blown too long on it - back to work for me! |
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| 15:59.11 | lillis | I don't have anything on the desktop, and the folder is always empty. I don't like desktop icons |
| 15:59.12 | valdyn | lillis: i dont know if fluxbox uses it, i wouldnt think so, but it might |
| 15:59.26 | astro29 | I don't know if I want something that "update" by itself daily, you know :) |
| 15:59.27 | lillis | it doesn't. Didn't have a folder like that when using X/flux on my BSD comp |
| 15:59.35 | valdyn | lillis: how are you starting X ? |
| 15:59.38 | lillis | xdm |
| 16:00.01 | ranix | apt-cron downloads updates and emails you notices, it doesn't actually apply the updates |
| 16:00.04 | ranix | you have to do that manually |
| 16:00.20 | enouf | judd: versions apt-cron |
| 16:00.21 | judd | enouf: apt-cron -- |
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| 16:00.29 | enouf | judd: versions cron-apt |
| 16:00.30 | judd | enouf: cron-apt -- etch: 0.4.14 lenny: 0.6.7 sid: 0.6.7 sid: 0.6.8 squeeze: 0.6.8 |
| 16:00.33 | enouf | ;-) |
| 16:00.35 | astro29 | ranix: when I said I wanted something stable, people just told me: "Debian.". Then I started reading about and some people said it was good only for servers, and other said it was ok for desktop use. |
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| 16:00.44 | astro29 | so before formatting everything, I thought of coming here first :) |
| 16:00.52 | ranix | astro29: I use it as a desktop machine at work |
| 16:01.03 | theperldude | i use in on my laptop at home |
| 16:01.10 | theperldude | it* |
| 16:01.16 | ranix | I am currently using stable |
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| 16:01.27 | ranix | I also have it on three servers |
| 16:01.34 | astro29 | so, that's the thing, some people use it as desktop without trouble. |
| 16:01.37 | astro29 | lol |
| 16:01.43 | astro29 | bad typo |
| 16:01.51 | ranix | but this machine is a pure desktop. I use it for playing music at work, web browsing, playing Go occasionally, and... doing work |
| 16:02.06 | ranix | reading pdfs, editing documents, webpages, writing C |
| 16:02.14 | ranix | what have you, whatever I am working on that day |
| 16:02.21 | ranix | currently I am testing hard disks for bad blocks |
| 16:02.41 | valdyn | lillis: ok, you can quit xdm and run something like "strace -f -eopen 2>&1 startx | grep Desktop | tee logfile" to find out about the app that does it to you |
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| 16:03.25 | ranix | also it is very useful for awk-ing huge assloads of financial data |
| 16:03.32 | valdyn | lillis: or -emkdir too |
| 16:03.33 | marko_d | hi |
| 16:04.00 | ranix | honestly I don't know what I'd do without it. I have a backup Windows XP laptop, just in case I need a legacy application |
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| 16:04.29 | ranix | I currently consider Debian to be my desktop OS, and XP to be for piracy and legacy |
| 16:04.31 | themill | ranix: re cron-apt upgrading for you too: echo "upgrade -y -o APT::Get::Show-Upgraded=true " > /etc/cron-apt/action.d/4-upgrade |
| 16:04.31 | at0m | astro29, i think debian has relatively severe testing procedures, which take a while for an app/version to get through. it's always a trade-off between having bleeding edge software or stability |
| 16:04.39 | marko_d | where can i see which cd holds which package? |
| 16:04.42 | lillis | valdyn: thanks a lot, will try that |
| 16:04.52 | ranix | themill: cron-apt upgrading for me I would consider a detriment rather than an atriment |
| 16:04.55 | astro29 | ranix: Actually my desktop doesn't do "much". I want it, as you said, to play music, watch videos, write in C++, some html maybe, and, the plus, do video encoding. |
| 16:05.34 | marko_d | cd1 seems to big to hold only base pkgs |
| 16:05.51 | ranix | astro29: I like code::blocks as a C ide, or vim for smaller things. I didn't learn vim well enough to handle large projects with it |
| 16:06.02 | themill | ranix: sure, it's not for everyone, you only use it if you are happy with the package sources. But it is possible, you don't *have* to do that manually. |
| 16:06.03 | enouf | ok .. i need some help here .. i've done this with my ps/2 mouse, but not a keyboard ... i want to modprobe -r ; then unplug/replug (physically) ; then modprobe <modules> from Console for the ps/2 keyboard (for the mousey in the past; i used modprobe -r mousedev ; modprobe -r psmouse ... ... ) which worked like a charm, however, i had to 'type' those commands in :-P |
| 16:06.23 | ranix | astro29: I have done some video re-encoding of fraps videos |
| 16:06.29 | enouf | i'm also under the suspicion the AT keyboard uses some =y in the kernel config, not a module |
| 16:06.29 | astro29 | at0m: yes, I know I'm 'trading' the newest stuff for stability, but imo is the best option for me. |
| 16:06.47 | ranix | astro29: what is "new" |
| 16:06.48 | valdyn | enouf: do you need to do it for both, mouse and keyboard at a time? |
| 16:06.55 | enouf | valdyn: no, just keys |
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| 16:07.01 | ranix | it's not like you can't compile a program from source |
| 16:07.04 | valdyn | enouf: just and paste commands |
| 16:07.07 | enouf | valdyn: and the keyboard works .. mostly |
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| 16:07.19 | valdyn | enouf: one open #debian window should have enough letters |
| 16:07.23 | astro29 | ranix: maybe something released yesterday? you got it. I know I can compile anything, but if you want it stable, you're not going to. |
| 16:07.32 | valdyn | enouf: charactesr even |
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| 16:07.49 | ranix | astro29: lunch time |
| 16:07.51 | ranix | astro29: go eat |
| 16:07.52 | at0m | yesterday? i was thinking over a year ago (ie. audio production apps) |
| 16:07.54 | enouf | it's the Numlock/ScrollLock and LEDs and DownArrow which aren't working/toggling at all, so i can't use the Numpad for ex |
| 16:08.24 | marko_d | anyone reads me or my irc client is broken? |
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| 16:08.28 | enouf | valdyn: copy/paste .. hrm... but which modules am i rmmod'ing? |
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| 16:08.57 | at0m | marko_d, cd1 is too big? then get netinstall... |
| 16:09.00 | martian67 | marko_d, can read |
| 16:09.01 | valdyn | enouf: right, you cant remove the console |
| 16:09.10 | valdyn | enouf: which is what has your keyboard |
| 16:09.17 | valdyn | enouf: forgot about that |
| 16:09.18 | marko_d | ah, ok |
| 16:09.22 | marko_d | thanks |
| 16:09.29 | enouf | valdyn: heh ... ok .. i'll have to maybe try hotpluggin this sucker :-) |
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| 16:09.51 | marko_d | i guess cd1 would be better |
| 16:09.58 | at0m | !tell marko_d about netinstall |
| 16:10.03 | marko_d | it has gnome, right? |
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| 16:10.18 | enouf | valdyn: i need to reboot anyway soon - i've had a broken pkgs state for weeks now due to a new glibc which i wouldn't let reconfigure due to me not wanting to have to restart my session ;-P |
| 16:10.22 | valdyn | marko_d: why does it matter? does the computer you are installing on not have internet? |
| 16:10.25 | at0m | marko_d, yes, unless you get cd1-kde |
| 16:10.30 | marko_d | at0m: i know about it, but have slow internet |
| 16:10.50 | at0m | marko_d, then netinstall will download more selectively the packages you want |
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| 16:11.35 | at0m | apart from GUI or offline installs, i dont see the point of getting cd's |
| 16:12.34 | marko_d | at0m, yeah, but i dont like to wait to install X and stuff |
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| 16:13.13 | at0m | marko_d, then wait for the cd download instead of package download :) |
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| 16:13.20 | at0m | all up to you eh |
| 16:13.39 | marko_d | at0m: no, i'm getting the cd at school |
| 16:13.49 | marko_d | 1000 KB/s |
| 16:13.54 | at0m | marko_d, ah, that's different! |
| 16:14.02 | at0m | goes for work |
| 16:14.03 | marko_d | at home i get max 30 KB/s |
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| 16:17.18 | valdyn | marko_d: theres a dvd too |
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| 16:18.07 | marko_d | valdyn, yeah i know, but sees to big |
| 16:18.26 | marko_d | *seems |
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| 16:20.46 | mmind | do any of the install CDs use a serial console by default? that is, without modifying the image or giving parameters to the kernel? |
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| 16:24.58 | enouf | valdyn: fwiw, this is the keyboard i'm dealing with; http://support.euro.dell.com/support/edocs/acc/sil_6000/Graphics.htm it's rather decent (i'm just getting used to this ergomonic thing) but the center area should be empty, not this extra double shit thingies - and it's likely messing up a bit due to a beer spill last night (though, it does do some weird numlock off for no reason all the times prior .. but now, there are more issues .. so |
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| 16:25.58 | enouf | and .. i have no idea what the F that last key in the upper far right does ... it'sa giant outlined '<' key |
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| 16:26.22 | enouf | Carraige Return key? |
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| 16:40.30 | enouf | wow .. kde is sooooo horribly broken ... haha, i'm filling out a business card text field and it Flashes (ie; the whole entire text box disappears and reappears after a few seconds) just from deleting or entering in any Character ... lmao .. what a fucken dump |
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| 16:41.28 | ranix | enouf: yes |
| 16:42.28 | enouf | ranix: and here i thought it might have been the stupid "Auto Spellcheck" that can NOT be disabled and requires a right click and untick on each and every text box ... haha |
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| 16:43.16 | enouf | wow .. my whole GUI is now basically ... frozen .. lovely |
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| 16:44.53 | enouf | X is using between 10-40% of CPU and KDE is using the same ... haha |
| 16:45.13 | enouf | KonqOut actually |
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| 16:47.46 | Shapeshifter | Hi. Does someone know a wrapper/alternative to have prettier output from aptitude or apt-get? |
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| 16:48.02 | enouf | use a GUI frontend? |
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| 16:48.14 | Shapeshifter | enouf: no, I mean a CLI one |
| 16:48.18 | enouf | maybe your console sucks |
| 16:48.23 | Shapeshifter | lol sure |
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| 16:48.36 | enouf | try adding a vga=NNN option to your kernel line |
| 16:48.39 | Shapeshifter | ... |
| 16:48.43 | enouf | !fbcon resolution |
| 16:48.43 | dpkg | methinks fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 16:49.08 | Shapeshifter | No, no, no. I'm using a gui, but I use lots of terminals (urxvt) but anyways that's not what I meant by "pretty" |
| 16:49.15 | Baneo | What would cause me just to randomly not be able to login via ssh? Nothing has changed etc - Doesnt appear to be any security problems no login attempts etc |
| 16:49.19 | Shapeshifter | I mean, "readable", "meaningful", "overviewable" |
| 16:49.20 | enouf | i use vga=791 which gives me a 1024x768x16bit console |
| 16:49.29 | Baneo | this has happended a couple of times, and then a few hours later just works again on its own |
| 16:49.30 | mmind | Shapeshifter, have you tried aptitude's interactive mode? |
| 16:49.37 | Shapeshifter | enouf: I use kms which gives me native 1440x900, but as I said, I dont' mean that. |
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| 16:49.53 | Shapeshifter | mmind: no, I don't know it. Googling for that, now. |
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| 16:50.00 | mmind | just run `aptitude` with no args |
| 16:50.01 | enouf | Shapeshifter: that request seems extremely subjective |
| 16:50.07 | enouf | so i can't help |
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| 16:50.27 | Shapeshifter | enouf: fair enough. |
| 16:51.13 | mmind | Baneo, what specifically is the symptom? connection refused? failed to authenticate? |
| 16:51.40 | jfarmer | I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but someone here might have seen a similar problem on Debian. When I try to install postfix on Ubuntu I see this error: http://paste.debian.net/34139/ |
| 16:51.42 | jfarmer | "Unmatched [ in regex; marked by <-- HERE" |
| 16:51.58 | jfarmer | I'm not sure where the error is -- Ubuntu's package, my version of dpkg, or what. |
| 16:52.11 | jfarmer | Any ideas what would cause this error? |
| 16:52.26 | Baneo | mmind: Access denied |
| 16:52.36 | jpinx-eeepc | jfarmer: try #ubuntu ;) |
| 16:52.46 | jfarmer | jpinx-eeepc: Useless. |
| 16:52.51 | jfarmer | I mean, #ubuntu is. |
| 16:53.01 | jfarmer | I thought maybe it was an apt/dpkg error that someone has seen on Debian. |
| 16:53.02 | Baneo | mmind: i'm having to go into rescue mode and alter the shadow file, this has happended a couple of times |
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| 16:53.13 | jfarmer | Or that someone here would be able to point me in the right direction. |
| 16:53.24 | metoiro | debug ou equivalent ca existe sous linux? |
| 16:53.27 | jfarmer | For all I know it has nothing to do with Ubuntu specifically. |
| 16:53.40 | bzed | !es |
| 16:53.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:53.43 | bzed | metoiro: ^ |
| 16:53.49 | jpinx-eeepc | sorry jfarmer but I persoanlly have not seen that error reported here |
| 16:53.55 | jfarmer | k |
| 16:54.04 | mmind | !fr |
| 16:54.04 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:54.05 | metoiro | bzed: ??? |
| 16:54.12 | mmind | metoiro, ^ |
| 16:54.25 | stew | !fr |
| 16:54.25 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:54.41 | jpinx-eeepc | jfarmer: postfix should be a straightforward install - did you try other sources? |
| 16:54.43 | stew | wow, i'm slow |
| 16:54.49 | bzed | ok. I blame myself for not knowing french |
| 16:54.59 | bzed | jfarmer: dounds like ubuntu is teh fuckup. |
| 16:55.03 | stew | bzed: d'accord |
| 16:55.09 | jfarmer | bzed: Yeah, a problem with the package? |
| 16:55.13 | jfarmer | I want to murder someone. |
| 16:55.22 | bzed | jfarmer: don't murder people, use debian. |
| 16:55.30 | spook0 | that's a great motto |
| 16:55.33 | bzed | postfix works very well since uh.. debian 0.0 :D |
| 16:55.42 | stew | false |
| 16:55.57 | stew | if that were the case, we'd have postfix instead of exim as the default :) |
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| 16:56.27 | bzed | stew: I guess it always worked well, exim just had more featues |
| 16:56.45 | stew | aiui, when exim was made the default postfix wasn't yet packaged |
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| 16:57.08 | jpinx-eeepc | hands jfarmer a gun pointed at ubuntu |
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| 16:57.33 | the_sniff | anyone ever had ssh unexpectedly close connections? |
| 16:57.39 | the_sniff | tried to restart the service, nothigg |
| 16:57.42 | bzed | stew: yeah, wouldn't make me wonder |
| 16:57.55 | bzed | the_sniff: is it able to write to /var? |
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| 16:58.14 | the_sniff | i've no idea, im locked out |
| 16:58.16 | bzed | the_sniff: or better: to the dir it writes to in /var... |
| 16:58.31 | beardy | the_sniff: Yes. Increase the timeout time. |
| 16:58.42 | beardy | the_sniff: If you mean idle connections. |
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| 16:59.00 | Shapeshifter | enouf: Here, I made you a screenshot to demonstrate what I subjectivlely find "pretty, overviewable and meaningful". It's output from archlinux' pacman package manager. Now I want to use debian on servers and not arch, which is why I'm asking this question. |
| 16:59.02 | jfarmer | Well, thanks for not flaming me. |
| 16:59.07 | Shapeshifter | http://stuff.moritzg.ch/prettypacman.png |
| 16:59.09 | jfarmer | Hah. |
| 16:59.10 | jpinx-eeepc | the_sniff: be careful of being locked out of the remote box if you do too many re-connections too quickly |
| 16:59.23 | the_sniff | beardy: no they're just not connecting |
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| 16:59.40 | the_sniff | jpinx-eeepc: hmm it didn't work in the first place |
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| 17:01.09 | jpinx-eeepc | the_sniff: can you ping the remote? |
| 17:01.52 | the_sniff | yeah |
| 17:02.07 | Sashi | hey how can i cp all *.*.example files and remove the .example? |
| 17:02.12 | the_sniff | lol seems like i got locked out by denyhosts... why the heck:s |
| 17:02.37 | cilkay | Hello. I've added my own .bash_profile, .bashrc, .bash_aliases, and .dir_colors to my home directory in Lenny but when I login, I don't get the aliases and directory colours I normally get in the Etch machine from which I copied those files. What am I missing? |
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| 17:03.23 | stew | Sashi: cp *.*.example /somewhere ; rename 's/\.example$//' /somewhere/*.*.example |
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| 17:03.51 | Sashi | no stew |
| 17:03.53 | Sashi | like.. |
| 17:04.09 | Sashi | i have several files (about 30) al of them with *.*.example |
| 17:04.24 | Sashi | i want to copy all of them and take out the .example |
| 17:04.37 | Sashi | i dont want to cp each one indivuially seems of a hassle |
| 17:04.46 | zibri | Sashi: ? |
| 17:04.46 | stew | Sashi: what is wrong with my command then? |
| 17:05.02 | themill | Sashi: check out the "rename" part of that command that stew provided. |
| 17:05.12 | amphi | Sashi: or 'for i in *.example; do cp "$i" "some_dir/${i/.example/}"; done |
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| 17:06.17 | stew | ${i%.example} is potentially better there, but yeah |
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| 17:06.45 | anoHito | quick question please, what command to list all tcp connections which are established to port 80 with netstat ? |
| 17:06.54 | anoHito | hi stew ,good morning. |
| 17:07.01 | stew | aloha |
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| 17:07.40 | stew | anoHito: netstat -nt | grep :80 |
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| 17:08.32 | anoHito | stew, that will list them all with whatever status,i need the ESTABLISHED |
| 17:08.38 | cilkay | the_sniff: try ssh -v yourhost That might give you some clues. And if you're locked out from your current host, ssh to another host and try to ssh from that one. |
| 17:08.44 | stew | anoHito: | grep ESTABLISHED |
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| 17:09.15 | anoHito | stew, Thanks. |
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| 17:10.26 | _kettle_ | I'm looking for a way to limit bandwidth of FTP uploads from a computer. The total bandwidth used by all uploads should be limited to eg. 4mbit/s |
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| 17:11.41 | _kettle_ | I have 2 sites with lots of burstable traffic, but I pay for 95th percentile used, so I need to limit transfer rate |
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| 17:12.05 | stew | _kettle_: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.html |
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| 17:13.24 | stew | _kettle_: you are going to be "policing" the "ingress" using tc |
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| 17:13.43 | _kettle_ | stew: have you tried this? there seems to a be quite a bit to understand before I deploy this. |
| 17:13.53 | stew | _kettle_: oh if you are trying to control outgoing bandwidth then no, not policing and not ingres |
| 17:14.00 | stew | _kettle_: yes |
| 17:14.38 | stew | _kettle_: you might look at the wondershaper package as a starting point |
| 17:14.59 | _kettle_ | stew: if possible, limiting bandwidth use of FTP uploads to a specific site would be the best |
| 17:15.08 | _kettle_ | stew: thanks, that's what I'm looking for :) |
| 17:16.45 | stew | _kettle_: the wondershaper will NOT work for you out of the box, but it will get you an idea of how things work, which is, you setup a hierachy of queues which each have their own shaping, and you create classifiers to decide which outbound queue something goes into |
| 17:18.21 | _kettle_ | stew: actually, I think it might work. I have a VPN between the relevant sites, so shaping traffic there might just do everything I need! |
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| 17:19.42 | subsume | a 7-0-0 script in cron.daily owned by root should execute daily, eh? |
| 17:19.42 | stew | _kettle_: iirc wondershaper is using HTB these days, which is not a qdisc you want, becuase it allows queues to borrow bandwidth from eachoter, which you don't want. perhaps a CBQ version if it still shipped is the one you want |
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| 17:20.07 | stew | subsume: yes, depending on what it is named (see "man run-parts" for acceptable names) |
| 17:20.27 | _kettle_ | stew: didn't really get that ;) |
| 17:20.35 | lymeca | How can I check a list of all people recently logged in? |
| 17:20.40 | _kettle_ | stew: but now I have a starting point anyway! thanks! |
| 17:20.57 | subsume | stew: I checked thru all that. It starts with #!/bin/bash and doesn't have a suffix and runs fine via the command line...and get its not being run daily. |
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| 17:21.09 | stew | _kettle_: HTB and CBQ are queueing disciplines or "qdiscs". read about them at the link i sent you. they are ways that the kernel decides how to take packets out of the queues |
| 17:21.21 | stew | subsume: what is it named? |
| 17:21.28 | subsume | automysqlbackup |
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| 17:21.54 | stew | hmm |
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| 17:22.26 | subsume | yeah, super odd. fresh 5.0 install |
| 17:22.28 | stew | subsume: is it depending on some environment variables that might not exist in the stripped down cron environment? |
| 17:22.39 | mmind | lymeca, `last` |
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| 17:23.34 | raphael | Hi all. I have a big network problem. I simply do not have access to anything |
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| 17:23.39 | raphael | i'm under debian 2.6.29 |
| 17:23.57 | raphael | debian lenny 5, kernel 2.6.29 i mean |
| 17:24.25 | raphael | my ifconfig returns my correct values (192.168.1.26 supplied by dhcp) |
| 17:24.26 | |newbie| | ata2.00: ATAPI: PHILIPS DVD+/-RW SDVD8820, AD20, max UDMA/33 |
| 17:24.26 | |newbie| | scsi 1:0:0:0: CD-ROM PHILIPS DVD+-RW SDVD8820 AD20 PQ |
| 17:24.26 | |newbie| | What is the solution to have a file like /dev/dvd or /dev/cdrom? !What are the minimum list of module to use this kind of device? |
| 17:24.38 | raphael | but i'm unable to ping myself or anything |
| 17:24.51 | raphael | i have disable the ipv6 module (blacklisted) |
| 17:24.57 | lymeca | bash: /usr/bin/last: Input/output error |
| 17:25.06 | raphael | Thank you very much for help, i don't know what to do :( |
| 17:25.16 | lymeca | I am getting many Input/output errors on my Debian server domU |
| 17:25.27 | lymeca | And my dom0 cannot be accessed because: |
| 17:25.43 | lymeca | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 17:26.02 | lymeca | Also basic commands like "mount" and "reboot" have disappeared |
| 17:26.23 | chfwiggum | raphael: do you use a router? |
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| 17:27.35 | raphael | chfwiggum: i'm inside a VM, witch is bridged to host using TAP device |
| 17:27.37 | melik | how do i disable the bash shell for users? |
| 17:27.56 | _kettle_ | stew: this actually does the trick: wondershaper tun0 3000 3000 |
| 17:28.12 | raphael | chfwiggum: but my problem is really inside the guest system, i don't have any access to my own nic ! |
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| 17:29.46 | raphael | let's imagine i do have any cable between my machine and a router (machine totaly independant), i should be able to ping myself don't I ? |
| 17:29.51 | chfwiggum | raphael: my guess would have been your dhcp server doesn't know about your client |
| 17:30.08 | cognitiaclaeves | what keywords do I need to google for when I want to set up Lenny to forward its mail messages to another SMTP server / or email address (if Lenny's SMTP server works out of the box? ) |
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| 17:32.23 | raphael | chfwiggum: first, my ip addr is affected by dhcp correctly. I have all network access for about 10 seconds when i start my machine, until i do a simple "apt-get install that" or else |
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| 17:32.55 | raphael | it dowloads me 1 or 2 packets, then freeze, and since that, i don't have acces anymore |
| 17:33.03 | raphael | that's quite horrible :( |
| 17:33.11 | chfwiggum | indeed |
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| 17:34.05 | raphael | I can't ping 127.0.0.1... |
| 17:34.22 | raphael | that's funny in a way |
| 17:34.27 | raphael | and terrible in other |
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| 17:37.55 | _spc_ | is there a way to remove caption bar of a window in gnome? |
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| 17:38.41 | gueux | hi |
| 17:38.58 | _spc_ | hi |
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| 17:41.18 | vigo | I saw 5.02 release on the Debian site, I wish to install Lenny again, but I do not want to mess up my partitions again. |
| 17:41.36 | gueux | I had a problem (no more wifi, sound, mouse,...) and someone told me that it could be splashy. So, I removed and purged it and now I have the mouse and the wifi again :-) But there is no sound :( |
| 17:41.52 | beardy | Right. |
| 17:42.09 | jpinx-eeepc | I am running ssh-X to a remote box and there are several applications running. How can I close the terminal I used to start them without stopping the applications themselves? |
| 17:42.20 | gueux | do you know what I can do? |
| 17:42.56 | jpinx-eeepc | Gnurdux: reconfigure alsa maybe - if that is what you are using |
| 17:43.12 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: check out screen |
| 17:43.15 | gueux | jpinx-eeepc: ok, I'll try |
| 17:43.25 | jpinx-eeepc | Ooops - that was for gueux ^^ |
| 17:43.29 | vigo | I installed Lenny and somehow lost Grub on gNewSense last time, what MAN or page should I download and read before I attempt this again? |
| 17:43.31 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Either start them backgrounded 'something &' or run screen next time and detach instead of close. |
| 17:43.44 | themill | vigo: you never really need to reinstall debian, you can just upgrade |
| 17:43.47 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: ok - thanks |
| 17:43.53 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Or close it and hope they manage by themselves. |
| 17:44.19 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: you can also force-background a task by using ctrl + d |
| 17:44.25 | ranix | and bring it back with 'fg' |
| 17:44.27 | Optic | eeeeeepc |
| 17:44.39 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy they are all started by app & but a few times now I have inadvertently closed the critical terminal window and they all die :( |
| 17:44.48 | ranix | that's somewhat limited compared to some of the crazy stuff you can do with screen though |
| 17:44.51 | gueux | dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base and that's it? |
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| 17:45.04 | jpinx-eeepc | reads up on screen |
| 17:45.17 | jpinx-eeepc | gueux: I believe so - yes |
| 17:45.19 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: If they need their mom-terminal, like who doesn't.. use screen instead. |
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| 17:45.28 | dany | hi all |
| 17:45.31 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: ;) |
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| 17:45.40 | gueux | ok |
| 17:45.47 | gueux | I'll try to reboot |
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| 17:46.03 | jpinx-eeepc | gueux: you shouldn't need to reboot |
| 17:46.12 | jpinx-eeepc | gueux: that's a windows solution ;) |
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| 17:46.25 | vigo | themill: I reformatted the 1rst HDD that it was on, I wish to re-install, I have the DVD-ISO, Do I need the Grub from Debian or can I omit/skip that and install fresh without altering my other Linux installs? |
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| 17:47.35 | dany | does anyone know where is located the executable of Xen? |
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| 17:48.05 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: beardy screen looks like a day's work, but looks cool - thanks :) |
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| 17:48.41 | mmind | Xen is a kernel. there is no "executable" in the traditional sense |
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| 17:49.25 | bolt | on a standard debian system, nothing is set to start specifically at runlevel 3, right? so i can put something there and jump back and forth if i want? like, use 2 for testing and 3 for putting services up to the public? |
| 17:49.25 | dany | uhm |
| 17:49.40 | dany | isn't xen like vmware? |
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| 17:50.15 | mmind | not quite. vmware is a type-2 hypervisor, which runs like an application. xen is a type-1 hypervisor, which runs on bare metal. |
| 17:50.19 | cilkay | No, Xen does para-virtualization, not full virtualization like VMWare. |
| 17:50.30 | mmind | xen runs "underneath" the dom0's kernel |
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| 17:50.44 | gueux | jpinx-eeepc: so, that does not work :-) |
| 17:50.49 | mmind | cilkay, xen can do paravirt or full virt |
| 17:50.51 | dany | uhm |
| 17:51.01 | dany | then it's a mess :[ |
| 17:51.13 | cilkay | mmind: Not the version I'm using :) |
| 17:51.20 | dany | is there a vmware software like for linux? |
| 17:51.27 | PatrickBatman | dany: kvm |
| 17:51.31 | mmind | dany, try virtualbox |
| 17:51.39 | jpinx-eeepc | dany virtualbox |
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| 17:51.44 | cilkay | dany: What are you trying to do anyway? |
| 17:51.52 | raphael | dany: or qemu |
| 17:52.28 | jpinx-eeepc | or xen |
| 17:52.29 | dany | I simply want to run winXP on linux |
| 17:52.41 | jpinx-eeepc | dany - virtualbox then |
| 17:52.42 | mmind | dany, virtualbox is probably your best bet, then |
| 17:52.42 | dany | but it seems that xen it's a mess |
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| 17:52.47 | dany | uhm |
| 17:53.05 | dany | in terms of efficency what's the best? |
| 17:53.15 | justin | dany: not running winXP in the first place |
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| 17:53.32 | cilkay | dany: Xen is not a mess but it's probably not what you want for running XP. Does your CPU and motherboard support the Intel VTx or AMD-V virtualization extensions? |
| 17:53.34 | apostle | what are the minimum requirements for debian lenny 5 |
| 17:53.44 | mmind | depends on what tasks you want to do. running your applications under wine might be the fastest, if they're supported |
| 17:54.04 | dany | justin: I have to :( |
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| 17:54.29 | dany | I need IIS.. |
| 17:54.39 | cilkay | dany: If you have a modern CPU/motherboard, it probably does (you can check) and if so, kvm with kqemu will work great for XP. |
| 17:54.45 | themill | sprays coffee over his screen |
| 17:55.04 | dany | My pc is new then probably it supports |
| 17:55.12 | jpinx-eeepc | dany: as I said - virtualbox "just works " ;) |
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| 17:55.27 | dany | kk |
| 17:55.30 | dany | thanks :) |
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| 17:55.57 | jpinx-eeepc | dany: but if you just want to run some windows applications - try wine |
| 17:56.01 | themill | dpkg: tell dany about install apache2 |
| 17:56.10 | cilkay | IIS isn't likely to be happy on wine. |
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| 17:56.36 | mmind | is there anything IIS does that apache2 can't be made to do? i wonder.. |
| 17:56.39 | dany | uhm |
| 17:57.13 | dany | the fact is that I have to develop in c# |
| 17:57.17 | jpinx-eeepc | dany can you be more specific about what you want to run? |
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| 17:57.38 | cilkay | dany: Mono |
| 17:57.39 | dany | and I was thinking that using winxp+vs+iis it's better than linux+mono+apache |
| 17:57.52 | themill | judd versions libapache2-mod-mono |
| 17:57.54 | judd | themill: libapache2-mod-mono -- etch: 1.2.1-1 etch-backports: 1.9-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.9-1 sid: 2.0-2 squeeze: 2.0-2 |
| 17:57.55 | dany | virtualization 10% overhead |
| 17:57.56 | cilkay | Then why bother running Linux at all? |
| 17:58.03 | dany | :D |
| 17:58.10 | jpinx-eeepc | dany you don't need windows ;) |
| 17:58.20 | dany | because I want linux :D |
| 17:58.29 | dany | uhm |
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| 17:59.53 | dany | ok |
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| 17:59.58 | dany | I'll try mono |
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| 18:00.42 | cilkay | dany: Web applications? |
| 18:00.57 | dany | yep |
| 18:01.13 | cilkay | How married are you to C# and all that MS stuff? |
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| 18:01.31 | cilkay | Creating web apps in C# just seems like pain. |
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| 18:01.56 | jpinx-eeepc | file for divorce on grounds of incompatability :) |
| 18:02.01 | dany | why cilkay? |
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| 18:02.14 | PatrickBatman | I think .NET has all kinds of "webapp" features |
| 18:02.32 | dany | I was speaking about asp.net |
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| 18:03.33 | vigo | nini is a FSF/GNU .net thing |
| 18:04.44 | cilkay | dany: Because I constantly evaluate technologies that can give my company a competitive edge and we've evaluated and rejected ASP.NET several times in favour of other technologies. I'm leery of committing to any technology controlled by Microsoft, even if they submit it to standards bodies and even if there are open source implementations of those standards (that will forever play catchup). |
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| 18:05.21 | cilkay | MS has demonstrated that it can't be a trusted party in creating standards-compliant applications. |
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| 18:05.39 | cilkay | They've never been successful at anything in which they can't leverage their monopoly position. |
| 18:05.40 | anoHito | i run netstat ,what does the second number 0 stands for ? tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 18:05.43 | dany | this is sure but now ado.net is very powerful |
| 18:05.51 | dany | *asp.net |
| 18:06.21 | anoHito | tcp 0 0,sometimes it is tcp 0 234 |
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| 18:06.34 | cilkay | dany: It's not a "secret sauce". There are many other agile web frameworks out there that are more productive, Django being one of them. |
| 18:06.37 | anoHito | i mean,what does that second number stands for ? means how many times it hits ? |
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| 18:06.48 | stew | anoHito: the number of bytes sent to the remote host that have not yet been acked |
| 18:07.13 | anoHito | stew, I see. |
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| 18:07.18 | dany | cilkay: I have heard of it but never tried |
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| 18:07.59 | dany | now I have to go |
| 18:08.03 | dany | thanks for all |
| 18:08.04 | cilkay | dany: Download it and go through the tutorial and join us over on #django. You'll be amazed. |
| 18:08.09 | dany | uhm |
| 18:08.10 | dany | ok |
| 18:08.11 | dany | :)) |
| 18:08.20 | dany | bbye |
| 18:08.35 | cognitiaclaeves | Is there an easy way to tell Lenny to send any email that it generates to a specific email address through another SMTP server? |
| 18:08.38 | gueux | I've done an update, and there was an alsa related package, but there still is no sound... |
| 18:08.54 | gueux | what are the corresponding modules? |
| 18:09.18 | cognitiaclaeves | Last time I tackled this task with Etch, I ended up having to compile a fake package to satisfy a mail dependency. I'm hoping Lenny does a better job of this. |
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| 18:09.34 | cilkay | I've added my own .bash_profile, .bashrc, .bash_aliases, and .dir_colors to my home directory in Lenny but when I login, I don't get the aliases and directory colours I normally get in the Etch machine from which I copied those files. What am I missing? What has changed in Lenny that's causing this? |
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| 18:10.01 | PatrickBatman | cognitiaclaeves: you don't tell that to Lenny, you tell that to your MTA |
| 18:10.08 | stew | cognitiaclaeves: edit /etc/alsiases, and run newaliases |
| 18:10.17 | stew | cognitiaclaeves: make the /etc/aliases |
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| 18:12.45 | apostle | how do I get system time in linux? |
| 18:13.10 | cognitiaclaeves | stew: Will that ignore any requests to send email from another host (other than the local host) ? |
| 18:13.14 | beardy | apostle: hwclock |
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| 18:13.40 | beardy | apostle: But system time you get with 'date', but I'm sure you meant the rtc time. |
| 18:14.25 | stew | cognitiaclaeves: i don' tknow what you mean by that exactly |
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| 18:14.58 | cognitiaclaeves | I only want mail generated by the server to be sent through another SMTP server. Not anyone else's mail. |
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| 18:15.29 | stew | cognitiaclaeves: generated by the server and addressed to whom? |
| 18:15.33 | stew | cognitiaclaeves: generated how? |
| 18:16.08 | PatrickBatman | cognitiaclaeves: "the server" doesn't send mail. applications running as a system user do. you have to figure out the From: address of "the server" and filter on that |
| 18:16.32 | cognitiaclaeves | stew: Generated by cron jobs or any other service level applications (such as at, SVN, Bugzilla, etc) and addressed to a single email address. |
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| 18:17.05 | stew | cognitiaclaeves: which MTA are you using? |
| 18:17.46 | stew | cognitiaclaeves: to change where email generated by cron jobs go, you can either use a MAILTO directive in the crontab or edit /etc/aliases |
| 18:17.48 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm not stuck on any particular MTA. I'm not even sure a full blown MTA is appropriate for what I want to do. (Which is, effective, bypass the MTA). Currently, I think exim4 is installed (stock, in Lenny) |
| 18:18.09 | cognitiaclaeves | -effectively |
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| 18:19.09 | cognitiaclaeves | stew: I want any email generated by anything on the server to go to the same place through the same SMTP server. |
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| 18:19.24 | cognitiaclaeves | *same email address, not 'place' |
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| 18:21.28 | cognitiaclaeves | PatrickBatman: Ok, I see that aliases filters everything to one user. That's a start in the direction that I want to go. |
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| 18:21.59 | Greyscale | Any debian embedded folks here? |
| 18:22.05 | cryingtux | hi |
| 18:22.23 | Greyscale | 'ello. |
| 18:22.46 | stew | cognitiaclaeves: no, for /etc/aliases, its not what you want |
| 18:22.51 | stew | ^for^forget |
| 18:22.59 | stew | Greyscale: try #embedian on irc.debian.org |
| 18:23.39 | cryingtux | what package in debian is equvalent to "automount" to automatically add and mount windows partitions into fstab both as live and installed system? |
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| 18:24.02 | Greyscale | stew, thanks, will do |
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| 18:24.25 | Greyscale | stew, sure thats spelt right? |
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| 18:25.05 | Greyscale | stew, its #emdebian not #embedian :) |
| 18:25.10 | Greyscale | Even though the latter is better |
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| 18:27.02 | cryingtux | anyone please want to answer my question? |
| 18:27.28 | bzed | cryingtux: into fstab? no way. but you want to look into autofs |
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| 18:27.54 | Greyscale | cryingtux, 'gnome' does that to a certain extent |
| 18:28.11 | stew | Greyscale: no, i'm not sure |
| 18:28.29 | stew | cryingtux: /msg dpkg automount |
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| 18:28.49 | cryingtux | bzed: thanks, will look into this, was just wondering what they call "automount" is there in debian or not, automount is used by many distros |
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| 18:29.14 | hid3___ | Evening everyone. My LAN provider requires me to obtain my static IP address via DHCP. if I assign my ip/netmask configuration manually after some time (~20 minutes) my connection stops working. I'm sure this is some kind of protection from the side of ISP. Is there any tool to spoof dhcp requests/replies while having IP configuration entered manually so ISP's equipment would think I'm still using DHCP? |
| 18:29.32 | BadHorsie | any ideas why trying to install gdm on debian sid it asks for removal of x-window-system-core ? |
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| 18:30.07 | Greyscale | hid3___, why don't you just play along with the DHCP timings? |
| 18:30.16 | Greyscale | you're just getting the same static IP each time, surely?> |
| 18:30.39 | hid3___ | Greyscale, yes, IP is the same, that's stated in my and ISP's contract. |
| 18:30.50 | jintxo | hid3___, so why not just use dhcp? |
| 18:30.59 | jintxo | (curious) |
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| 18:31.32 | hid3___ | jintxo: dunno why, but their DHCP suck. Sometimes it breaks and I have manually to do ifdown/ifup to restore my connectivity. |
| 18:31.54 | Greyscale | Then bitch and moan to the supplier. |
| 18:32.19 | stew | BadHorsie: x-window-system-core is now a virtual package |
| 18:32.36 | hid3___ | I've already complained them 3 times last week, they told 'we'll investigate the problem'. I'm just tired of that, seeking sor more simplier solution... :( |
| 18:32.45 | Greyscale | get a better ISP |
| 18:32.47 | gueux | ok, with a " update-initramfs -u -t -k `uname -r`" the sound works again :) |
| 18:32.58 | Greyscale | or atleast threaten to |
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| 18:33.25 | hid3___ | Well, this ISP provides best connectivity available in my area. I'm living in rural area. |
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| 18:35.21 | elik | Anyone had issues with amarok lately? |
| 18:35.24 | hid3___ | Any other ideas on that? |
| 18:35.33 | elik | in squeeze |
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| 18:36.07 | BadHorsie | stew: thanks |
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| 18:38.01 | mot___ | question folks |
| 18:38.11 | mot___ | i have a subdomain pointing to my box (aiss.nursing.msu.edu) |
| 18:38.20 | mot___ | however i'm trying to get the php mail() function to work (which uses sendmail) |
| 18:38.36 | mot___ | i'm not really sure if i just have to edit /etc/hostname or what i have to do to get sendmail to play nice, can anybody help? |
| 18:38.58 | mot___ | i don't want to do anything stupid before i restart networking because i'm ssh'ed into the machine and don't want to walk across campus to manually fix it if i screw up networking. |
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| 18:40.04 | BadHorsie | cron ftw! :P |
| 18:40.09 | dondelelcaro | mot___: do you have an MTA installed and configured? |
| 18:40.22 | elik | Anyone having issues with Amarok? |
| 18:40.37 | simonrvn | nope |
| 18:40.38 | mot___ | dondelelcaro, MTA? |
| 18:40.45 | dondelelcaro | !mta |
| 18:40.45 | mot___ | i just install sendmail |
| 18:40.45 | dpkg | mta is, like, Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. |
| 18:40.49 | elik | simonrvn, on a 2.6.29 kernel? |
| 18:40.58 | mot___ | just installed MTA, haven't configured anything |
| 18:41.06 | mot___ | i was going to add an entry to /etc/mail/local-host-names |
| 18:41.16 | simonrvn | i don't use it. no issues ;). |
| 18:41.35 | dondelelcaro | mot___: your first step is to configure your MTA. |
| 18:41.36 | elik | simonrvn, right, I hear ya :P |
| 18:42.12 | elik | simonrvn, it's kinda annoying... it looks like a oss-like issue :( it plays sometimes, but not always |
| 18:42.17 | mot___ | dondelelcaro, alright, sec |
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| 18:42.58 | simonrvn | elik: rebuild db? check your sound? quit and restart it? *shrug* |
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| 18:43.08 | elik | simonrvn, and the analyzer just goes for a slightly under 1 sec but no sound, and then, if you try to seek or something, it freezes altogether |
| 18:43.18 | elik | simonrvn, console doesn't give anything meaningful |
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| 18:45.01 | elik | simonrvn, I also noticed that, when it works, if you play/pause/play, the song will sort of skip |
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| 18:46.06 | mischief6 | is there a certain package i need for 'man 3 sleep'? :| |
| 18:46.44 | dondelelcaro | mischief6: it's manpages-dev... |
| 18:46.49 | dondelelcaro | !tell mischief6 -about search |
| 18:46.59 | dondelelcaro | mischief6: but that's the kind of thing that you can easily find out on your own |
| 18:47.26 | mischief6 | dondelelcaro, and how might i go about such things other than asking one so knowledgeable as yourself? :) |
| 18:47.42 | dondelelcaro | mischief6: see what dpkg (the bot) told you |
| 18:48.01 | elik | mischief6, are you trying to date dondelelcaro ? |
| 18:48.49 | mischief6 | elik, i'll make him my mistress yet. C:< |
| 18:49.17 | elik | mischief6, just pointing out it was rather cheesy :P |
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| 18:49.20 | mot___ | dondelelcaro, i think i've got it configured |
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| 18:49.31 | mot___ | i configured /etc/hostname and /etc/mail/local-host-names |
| 18:49.38 | mot___ | how do i test if sendmail works from the commandline? |
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| 18:51.22 | dondelelcaro | mot___: echo -e 'To: you@bar.com\nFrom: you@bar.com\nSubject: blah\n\ntesting 1 2 3\n'|/usr/lib/sendmail you@bar.com |
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| 18:56.35 | jamesstanley | Anyone know how to turn off the exec shield in debian? |
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| 18:57.37 | metoiro | dsl j'ai oublier pour avoir chan debian francais en fait quoi? |
| 18:57.48 | dustybin | jamesstanley: apt-get moo |
| 18:57.50 | dondelelcaro | jamesstanley: uh... it's not enabled by default? It's a kernel patch |
| 18:57.55 | simonrvn | !fr |
| 18:57.56 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:58.12 | jamesstanley | dondelelcaro: ok. cat /proc/self/maps shows that most of the memory is not executable |
| 18:58.25 | at0m|c | bcp MC |
| 18:58.42 | jamesstanley | dondelelcaro: i may be confusing the exec shield with something else |
| 18:58.58 | jamesstanley | what i want to do is allow all memory to be executable |
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| 18:59.09 | alex_sleiborg | Hi. I just installed debian lenny 5.0 with fluxbox. But i can't get any sound? when i use alsamixer it seems like there should be sound. |
| 18:59.20 | jamesstanley | dondelelcaro: at the least, is it possible to make the stack executable? |
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| 18:59.40 | cahoot | alex_sleiborg: alsamixer accesses to correct card? |
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| 19:01.02 | cahoot | alex_sleiborg: also - test sound using: speaker-test -t wav -c2 - any error? |
| 19:01.38 | alex_sleiborg | cahoot: I think, it uses a card called HDA Intel. And when i write lspci it also find an audio card called Intel HD audio controller |
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| 19:02.33 | alex_sleiborg | cahoot: No error, but i can't hear anything, it's on a laptop |
| 19:02.37 | cahoot | alex_sleiborg: cat /proc/aosund/cards - the hda-intel is card0? |
| 19:02.56 | valdyn | jamesstanley: why are you trying to do that? |
| 19:02.56 | cahoot | s/aosound/asound/ |
| 19:03.09 | jamesstanley | valdyn: i want to see how buffer overflow exploits work |
| 19:03.25 | alex_sleiborg | cahoot: Yes it's the only card, and it has number 0 |
| 19:03.42 | cahoot | alex_sleiborg: (as root) run alsa-utils reset 0 |
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| 19:04.21 | valdyn | jamesstanley: you dont need an executable stack for that |
| 19:04.27 | MarGarina | alex_sleiborg: ls -l /dev/snd : do you have read+write access to all files? |
| 19:04.38 | jamesstanley | if my shellcode is on the stack, surely it needs to be executable in order to run? |
| 19:04.49 | cahoot | alex_sleiborg: might actually be invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
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| 19:05.10 | cusco | hi |
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| 19:06.00 | alex_sleiborg | cahoot: So now the alsa card has been reset |
| 19:06.11 | cahoot | try soeaker-test again |
| 19:06.15 | cahoot | meh |
| 19:06.38 | alex_sleiborg | cahoot: Still no sound |
| 19:06.51 | alex_sleiborg | MarGarina: I have read and write access |
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| 19:07.19 | cahoot | alex_sleiborg: no artsd or esd showing up in fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* ? |
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| 19:08.08 | alex_sleiborg | cahoot: Not sure what you mean??? |
| 19:08.25 | cahoot | alex_sleiborg: run fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
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| 19:09.01 | jetscreamer | you know, type that, hit enter... |
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| 19:09.15 | elik | in a console |
| 19:10.27 | alex_sleiborg | cahoot: /dev/snd/controlC0 and /dev/snd/pcmC0Dp and /dev/snd/timer all to user alex |
| 19:10.47 | valdyn | alex_sleiborg: why the hell are you messing with permissions? |
| 19:10.48 | cahoot | alex_sleiborg: that's fine |
| 19:11.13 | valdyn | or is he not? |
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| 19:11.30 | valdyn | alex_sleiborg: is that a macbook? |
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| 19:12.21 | alex_sleiborg | valdyn: What permissions. No it's a acer laptop. Just moved from ubuntu to debian again |
| 19:12.46 | alex_sleiborg | valdyn: But no sound, but it's seems like the hardware is installed correctly |
| 19:12.58 | cahoot | alex_sleiborg: aprt from user - no applikation listed that uses the sound (in the above output) |
| 19:13.13 | valdyn | alex_sleiborg: whats in /proc/asound/cards ? one or two cards? |
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| 19:13.57 | epifanio | hi, i'm on debian lenny 64bit (macbook pro 15'' 2.2), i have some prpblems to configure my touchpad, i'm following these page : http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro#Touchpad but the suggested line in xorg.conf do not works as aspected :-( |
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| 19:14.25 | MarGarina | alex_sleiborg: A good move, I moved from ubuntu recently as well :) |
| 19:14.42 | MarGarina | alex_sleiborg: Anyway.. I guess you've played with alsamixer, unmuting and enabling things? |
| 19:15.13 | cahoot | MarGarina: alsa-utils resets the mixer to sane state |
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| 19:15.20 | epifanio | i have no changes ... so i tried to use these guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook3-1/Jaunty#Touchpad%20(appletouch) (using .fdi file) |
| 19:16.07 | epifanio | but seems that my system do not have appletouch running ... i'm without clue, can you help me ? |
| 19:16.35 | alex_sleiborg | valdyn: cards a file with one HDA-Intel card |
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| 19:17.11 | MarGarina | I'd be trying alsaplayer on .wav files as the simplest test |
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| 19:17.30 | valdyn | aplay, not alsaplayer... |
| 19:17.32 | cahoot | MarGarina: sorry but speaker-test is waht you want |
| 19:17.40 | valdyn | alsaplayer isa generic audio player not just for alsa |
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| 19:18.40 | simonrvn | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p :P |
| 19:18.54 | valdyn | oh well hes gone |
| 19:19.20 | MarGarina | Ah crap |
| 19:19.34 | MarGarina | we're trying hard for nobody |
| 19:19.35 | cahoot | simonrvn: tried that? |
| 19:19.43 | elik | simonrvn, I love that! white noise is so harmonious |
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| 19:20.16 | cahoot | yes|aplay |
| 19:20.28 | MarGarina | valdyn, cahoot: okay I didn't know speaker-test, aplay. 10x for the correction. |
| 19:20.35 | elik | cahoot, hum... y sounds lika a bad code for music :P |
| 19:20.47 | simonrvn | cahoot: not yet no. i just know that p is layback, and i'm assuming C0D0 is my first sound device ;). |
| 19:20.55 | simonrvn | playback* |
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| 19:21.15 | MarGarina | best thing is to listen to the humming of the kernel... cat /proc/kcore > /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
| 19:21.31 | mot___ | how do i check what processes are listening on a specific port |
| 19:21.40 | simonrvn | netstat |
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| 19:21.49 | mot___ | ....specific port |
| 19:22.13 | alex_sleiborg | Sorry. Did just loose my internet connection |
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| 19:22.44 | Moofius | do the apt-get version of apache not include apxs? |
| 19:22.47 | cahoot | alex_sleiborg: apart from <user> - no applikation listed that uses the sound when you did run fuser -v? |
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| 19:23.26 | MarGarina | mot___, lsof -i tcp:portnum |
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| 19:23.34 | valdyn | Moofius: apxs2 is in the -dev package |
| 19:23.45 | valdyn | Moofius: i dont know what that is, use apt-cache search next time |
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| 19:24.18 | alex_sleiborg | I think that firefox was using it??? I had a browser open with youtube |
| 19:24.36 | MarGarina | alex_sleiborg: sounds like a common case. |
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| 19:24.49 | valdyn | Moofius: what does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav" give ? |
| 19:24.55 | cahoot | alex_sleiborg: that might be an expanation - try speaker-test again |
| 19:24.56 | valdyn | alex_sleiborg: what does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav" give ? |
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| 19:25.07 | valdyn | grr, or that speaker-test |
| 19:25.21 | cognitiaclaeves | Still need help, mot___? |
| 19:25.27 | mot___ | yes =\ |
| 19:25.33 | gueux | I can't find cabal with apt... Do you know where it is? |
| 19:25.37 | valdyn | alex_sleiborg: if the device is busy then you would get an error message anyway |
| 19:25.38 | MarGarina | mot___: you ignored my lsof suggestion? |
| 19:25.47 | mot___ | i removed sendmail and installed postfix, however lsof -i :25 still tells me sendmail is running |
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| 19:25.59 | mot___ | the package is definitely gone and i even did /etc/init.d/sendmail stop |
| 19:26.03 | mot___ | still shows it as listening |
| 19:26.18 | cognitiaclaeves | I think other MTAs look like sendmail... |
| 19:26.27 | mot___ | when i try to send mail (using the postfix MTA) it basically says it can't bind that port because something else is using it, and won't send |
| 19:26.34 | valdyn | mot___: what does "/etc/init.d/postfix start" give? |
| 19:27.03 | mot___ | starts w/o error |
| 19:27.19 | valdyn | mot___: so is postfix running now? |
| 19:27.24 | MarGarina | mot___: you can simply kill the process.. |
| 19:27.27 | mot___ | yes |
| 19:27.28 | alex_sleiborg | valdyn: Playing the sounds, but i can't hear any. I think the sound might be on mute somewhere, but where? It is not in alsamixer |
| 19:27.29 | mot___ | Apr 22 15:26:58 aiss postfix/master[6760]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: Address already in use |
| 19:27.41 | mot___ | MarGarina, tried to kill the PID but it said it didn't exist..... |
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| 19:28.02 | valdyn | alex_sleiborg: are you sure you are understanding how alsamixer works and that you are getting to see all controls? |
| 19:28.07 | simonrvn | alex_sleiborg: press F5 then look around |
| 19:28.13 | MarGarina | mot___: no way.. maybe you got the pid wrong. |
| 19:28.32 | MarGarina | mot___: or simply do killall sendmail |
| 19:28.40 | mot___ | i did |
| 19:28.46 | mot___ | okay killing it by id again worked |
| 19:28.51 | mot___ | lets see what happens when i restart postfix itself |
| 19:28.56 | valdyn | alex_sleiborg: i was asking for macbook for a reason, hda-intel chips can have funny controls which can make them labeld wrongly or even invisible in alsamixer if the driver doesnt know the workarounds |
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| 19:29.13 | mot___ | okay postfix is running |
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| 19:29.28 | mot___ | and it's trying to send mail to my gmail |
| 19:29.30 | mot___ | let's see if i get 'em |
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| 19:29.43 | mot___ | yep, it worked, excellent |
| 19:29.44 | mot___ | thanks! |
| 19:29.44 | alex_sleiborg | simonrvn:What should happen when i press F5? |
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| 19:30.09 | alex_sleiborg | valdyn: No it's an acer pc |
| 19:30.14 | russo | hi all if i have a cron weekly tab and a cron monthly tab, will they be executed simotaneously once a month? |
| 19:30.32 | valdyn | russo: that is specified in /etc/crontab |
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| 19:31.26 | russo | hmm |
| 19:31.31 | alex_sleiborg | Now i get some sound:) |
| 19:31.41 | russo | i'm not entirely familiar with this format |
| 19:32.00 | valdyn | russo: then learn it by reading it |
| 19:32.06 | valdyn | russo: or by reading the manpage |
| 19:32.09 | MarGarina | russo: man 5 crontab |
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| 19:32.50 | alex_sleiborg | Thanks a lot everyone, though i don't know what i did to get i working anyway:) |
| 19:33.22 | valdyn | alex_sleiborg: probably switched off digital output or somesuch |
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| 19:33.43 | alex_sleiborg | valdyn: Something like that. But thanks a lot for your time:D |
| 19:33.49 | russo | right it was simpler than i thought, thank you valdyn and MarGarina |
| 19:33.49 | _spc_ | did anyone try to update azureus from 3.1.1.0 to 4.2.0.2? |
| 19:34.00 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 19:34.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search> |
| 19:34.06 | _spc_ | it downloads but doesn't install |
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| 19:35.03 | Shadow_Master | wow, first thing I get while joining here is spam |
| 19:35.15 | Shadow_Master | (from SetFree) |
| 19:35.20 | valdyn | !onjoin spam |
| 19:35.26 | valdyn | !onjoin |
| 19:35.28 | valdyn | !test |
| 19:35.28 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 19:35.29 | kanon-mat | SetFree spammed me w pr0nz |
| 19:35.36 | valdyn | Shadow_Master: thats common |
| 19:35.43 | jetscreamer | tomaw |
| 19:35.45 | Shadow_Master | ahhh... okay... |
| 19:35.58 | valdyn | Shadow_Master: you can actually disable it, but i forgot how |
| 19:36.03 | kanon-mat | they spammed the forums.debian.net |
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| 19:36.15 | valdyn | !listkey onjoin |
| 19:36.16 | jetscreamer | _spc_: just install it to local |
| 19:36.19 | valdyn | !listkeys onjoin |
| 19:36.21 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'onjoin' by key returned no results. |
| 19:36.27 | valdyn | !listkeys spam |
| 19:36.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'spam' by key (15 of 34): #debian spam ;; #debian spambots ;; _default dspam ;; _default nospambot ;; _default nospambots ;; _default spambots ;; dns spam ;; list spam ;; ml spam ;; sing spam ;; spamassassin ;; spambot ;; spambots ;; spamcop ;; stop spam. |
| 19:36.29 | Shadow_Master | uh, dpkg seems to be broken |
| 19:36.37 | kanon-mat | does anyone know if the forums will be up? |
| 19:36.47 | valdyn | !nospambots |
| 19:36.47 | dpkg | nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds or just "/ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS" |
| 19:36.48 | enouf | doesn't look broke to me |
| 19:37.10 | valdyn | Shadow_Master: read what dpkg said if you are using irssi |
| 19:37.20 | Shadow_Master | ah, it just changed. It used to answer with a funny comment when it wouldn't know an answer to my questions |
| 19:37.31 | Shadow_Master | like "are you using windows, <nick>?" :P |
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| 19:38.41 | pagarill | Help, my gui's gone! |
| 19:38.55 | chfwiggum | hehe |
| 19:39.00 | at0m|c | pagarill: no more X ? |
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| 19:39.17 | pagarill | yes |
| 19:39.22 | at0m|c | pagarill: did you upgrade the kernel? what video card/driver do you use? |
| 19:39.46 | pagarill | i think i might have removed by apt-get autoremove |
| 19:39.52 | pagarill | if thats possible |
| 19:39.56 | pagarill | that was quite a list |
| 19:40.12 | at0m|c | always read through the remove lists! |
| 19:40.32 | pagarill | yes, that was stupid.. |
| 19:40.43 | pagarill | im using squeeze |
| 19:40.52 | cognitiaclaeves | I've attempted to configure exim to be a smart host to send all server initiated email to another SMTP server. This works, however, when a cron job fails or an at job fails, it fails quietly. I was hoping to capture the output of these failed jobs and pass them to the designated email that mutt sends from. |
| 19:41.24 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: does your smart host accept mail from your root@ ? |
| 19:41.53 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: No idea. I just used dpkg-reconfigure to set it up. |
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| 19:42.01 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: might it be that exim is trying to send but your smart host is refusing and youre not reading exims log file? |
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| 19:42.15 | pacman | ÅÂÁÔØ × ÒÏÔ |
| 19:42.18 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: well, you would know which kind of mail your smart host accepts, we dont |
| 19:42.36 | PatrickBatman | cron sends email to root by default |
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| 19:42.44 | simonrvn | pacman: try utf-8, and #debian-ru |
| 19:42.51 | pagarill | at0m|c: can you tell me how to get the gui back? |
| 19:43.01 | Don_Andi_ | hi^^ |
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| 19:43.14 | pagarill | at0m|c: by using the cd |
| 19:43.27 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: now one thing you can do is to use /etc/aliases to forward root mail to your user and see if it works then, but id still read the log file |
| 19:43.27 | PatrickBatman | cognitiaclaeves: man 5 crontab should give you info on how to override that email address |
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| 19:43.41 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: I don't understand MTAs. I just want server initiated email to go to a specific user through a specific SMTP server. I'm not even sure a full-blown MTA is the answer. |
| 19:44.43 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: who provides the smart host? |
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| 19:44.51 | at0m|c | pagarill: log in on the TTY and "aptitude install" it again.. (whatever from x you removed, don't know where the apt logs are) |
| 19:44.56 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: It would seem that mail.err, mail.info, and mail.log are all empty. |
| 19:45.07 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: /var/log/exim* |
| 19:45.08 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: "who provides" ? |
| 19:45.16 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: yea |
| 19:45.23 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: yahoo, aol, google, whoever |
| 19:45.28 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: i want to know who it is |
| 19:45.33 | cognitiaclaeves | oh. Internal SMTP server. |
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| 19:46.03 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: send some mail from root and various user accounts, see which ones get sent properly |
| 19:46.22 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: or talk to the admin of that "Internal SMTP server" |
| 19:46.22 | chfwiggum | pagarill: maybe try apt-get install xinit |
| 19:46.35 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: maybe he just doesnt like root mail |
| 19:46.44 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Oh, you think they're blocking at on the exchange server? |
| 19:47.06 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: blocking or sorting wrongly |
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| 19:47.45 | cognitiaclaeves | ... I can't read this log... ( mainlog is what I want? ) |
| 19:47.55 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: root could end up on whoerver owns root according to that exchange server |
| 19:47.57 | pagarill | <chfwiggum>: Thats already installed |
| 19:48.33 | chfwiggum | pagarill: x11-common? |
| 19:48.54 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: the easiest way is aliasing all mail you want to work to your currently working account |
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| 19:49.10 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: but if that isnt what you want then you need to talk to the server admin |
| 19:49.21 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Shouldn't the alias file pass that to the user I designated in the file? ( Or is it because the mail is being sent FROM root? ) |
| 19:49.52 | cognitiaclaeves | lol, that's what I did... but I'm looking in the log, and I see entries for root@ . |
| 19:50.14 | PatrickBatman | do the entries say the MTA has sent the message? |
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| 19:50.26 | cognitiaclaeves | date |
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| 19:50.52 | cognitiaclaeves | I have no idea what the entries say. |
| 19:51.03 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: cron sends mail to root@localhost.localdomain, you can make it send to username@localhost.localdomain, your exchange server might not know what to do with those domain names, whatever they are |
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| 19:51.06 | PatrickBatman | perhaps you should start by reading them |
| 19:51.07 | cognitiaclaeves | " completed " ? |
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| 19:52.08 | cognitiaclaeves | PatrickBatman: You say that like the logs in written in english. |
| 19:52.18 | PatrickBatman | last time I checked it is |
| 19:52.26 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: whats your REAL mail address of the mailbox where you want email to end up? |
| 19:52.26 | PatrickBatman | mine is. I'm using Postfix |
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| 19:52.56 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: if you dont want to tell the REAL email address, use a placeholder that i can use to reference it |
| 19:53.16 | cognitiaclaeves | jfoobar@foobar.com .. is that close enough? |
| 19:53.23 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: ok |
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| 19:53.36 | pagarill | chfwiggum/at0m|c: It's working, thank you. I installed x-display-manager |
| 19:53.37 | cognitiaclaeves | ( I just don't want it logged out to the internet. ) |
| 19:53.41 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: but your _local_ mail name is something else, right? |
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| 19:54.36 | cognitiaclaeves | yes, though I'm not sure what you mean by local mail name. I'm going to guess that it's jae@svnlenny.foobar.com . |
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| 19:54.46 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: ok |
| 19:54.59 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: now you already create that entry in /etc/aliases ? |
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| 19:55.35 | cognitiaclaeves | There is a "root:jae" in /etc/aliases. Is that close enough? |
| 19:55.36 | helo | 'm-a a-i nvidia' compiles the nvidia module correctly, and the module inserts cleanly, but my box locks up (no sysrq-b) |
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| 19:55.44 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: yea |
| 19:56.07 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: what you miss now is a rewrite of the mail domain name |
| 19:56.09 | helo | when i startx, my box locks up, that is... |
| 19:56.19 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: jae@svnlenny.foobar.com is not really deliverable |
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| 19:56.40 | helo | because a subdomain cannot have an mx? |
| 19:56.43 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: smart host would forward it to you, you would forward it to smart host |
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| 19:57.02 | jelly-home | !ops SetFree onjoin spam |
| 19:57.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: SetFree onjoin spam |
| 19:57.09 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: till some program detects the circle or till it fails because that smart host doesnt know svnlenny.foobar.com |
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| 19:57.21 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: so you need to rewrite from |
| 19:57.36 | charitwo | mmm |
| 19:57.39 | charitwo | cake.freenode |
| 19:57.45 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: err, not from, the mail domain name |
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| 19:58.36 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: thats probably dc_readhost, i dont remember.. looking |
| 19:58.59 | cognitiaclaeves | oh crap... and that has to be done in exim... |
| 19:59.06 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: easy |
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| 19:59.32 | PatrickBatman | don't fear the MTA, work with it |
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| 20:00.37 | cusco | Im trying to compile a program that asks for kde headers |
| 20:00.43 | cusco | what package provides them? |
| 20:00.59 | zibri | cusco: not any more specific? |
| 20:01.02 | cusco | in the configure script I got tired of following variables like $kdedir or $kde_inclibs |
| 20:01.07 | cognitiaclaeves | is postfix easier to configure? I don't care what MTA I end up using... |
| 20:01.11 | cusco | hold.. |
| 20:01.17 | cognitiaclaeves | ( but it would be nice to have logs written in english ) |
| 20:01.25 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: no, you have to do a change which is trivial in both |
| 20:01.40 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: whats your /etc/mailname ? |
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| 20:02.15 | helo | exim is pretty easy usually... |
| 20:02.18 | cognitiaclaeves | svnlenny.foobar.com |
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| 20:02.38 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: make it foobar.com |
| 20:03.10 | cognitiaclaeves | uh.. that's a real mail server, though... ( that isn't this one ) |
| 20:03.25 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: sure, thats ok |
| 20:03.25 | cognitiaclaeves | Is that the intent? |
| 20:03.32 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: yes |
| 20:03.39 | cognitiaclaeves | ok. done. |
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| 20:04.08 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: echo testmail | mail -s test root |
| 20:04.31 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: i dont know if you had to restart the mta |
| 20:04.38 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: so might aswell do that |
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| 20:04.43 | _spc_ | when i press alt+ctrl+f1 i get to the console, how do i return back to gnome? |
| 20:04.58 | amphi | alt-f7 probably |
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| 20:05.04 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Ok. |
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| 20:05.15 | _spc_ | cool, gonna try next time :) |
| 20:05.26 | _spc_ | 'cause alt+ctrl+f7 didn't work |
| 20:05.48 | zibri | _spc_: that should work too |
| 20:05.54 | _spc_ | it doesn't |
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| 20:06.28 | alain10 | can someone help me witn a problem, i got this square window going around my desktop saying input not supported ??? |
| 20:06.28 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: now if the mail arrives check if From: _and_ To: are ok |
| 20:07.30 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: No mail arrived. I'm trying to figure out what this log is telling me, there's an error (User unknown), but I don't know if it was from this message, or one that I sent earlier... |
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| 20:07.45 | _spc_ | what's a way to call process manager? like ctrl+esc |
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| 20:08.35 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: the To: might be the same as the output of hostname --long, which again might not be known by foobar.com |
| 20:08.44 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: show the log if you cant read it |
| 20:08.58 | kanon-mat | _spc_: there is top for example |
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| 20:09.26 | kanon-mat | htop is even better |
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| 20:09.43 | zibri | kanon-mat: meh, bloat.. :p |
| 20:09.56 | _spc_ | !top |
| 20:09.57 | dpkg | i heard top is a command to "display top CPU processes," but top can handle more ('man top' for more info). Try: `top' and to quit, just 'q';; The Other Peter |
| 20:10.02 | kanon-mat | its a beauty and it works in a tty |
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| 20:10.38 | _spc_ | kanon-mat, isn't there some graphical one? |
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| 20:10.48 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Ok. http://paste.debian.net/34156 |
| 20:10.50 | kunal | hello. i need a new source. |
| 20:10.52 | kanon-mat | ksysguard for kde |
| 20:10.56 | _spc_ | i'm gfx addicted |
| 20:11.03 | _spc_ | kanon-mat, what aout gnome? |
| 20:11.04 | kunal | can someone recommend me a source? |
| 20:11.18 | _spc_ | about* |
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| 20:11.42 | kunal | to get updates |
| 20:11.47 | kunal | for debain |
| 20:12.04 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: It looks like there are messages in there that are repeating attempted failed delivery. |
| 20:12.08 | cognitiaclaeves | ? |
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| 20:12.20 | kunal | i am currently using ----> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 20:12.27 | kanon-mat | i think xfce4-taskmanager would work in gnome |
| 20:12.33 | _spc_ | thanks |
| 20:12.57 | kanon-mat | i think there should be one, but thats the one i found |
| 20:13.08 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: yea, i dont know how to delete the queue, but this doesnt look so bad, at least it send to foobar.com it seems |
| 20:13.31 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: so im thinking "echo testmail | mail -s test jae" should work now |
| 20:13.31 | enouf | kunal: /msg dpkg mirrors ; /msg dpkg security |
| 20:13.39 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: please try |
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| 20:14.00 | zibri | !info libgtop2-7 |
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| 20:14.14 | zibri | bah |
| 20:14.18 | zibri | !libgtop2-7 |
| 20:14.29 | enouf | strike2 |
| 20:14.32 | alain10 | can someone help me witn a problem, i got this square window going around my desktop saying input not supported ??? |
| 20:14.40 | Shadow_Master | what would be the correct place to ask about the plans for backporting package XYZ to lenny? |
| 20:14.44 | zibri | _spc_: anyway.. libgtop2-7 seems to be what you want |
| 20:14.48 | enouf | alain10: dead screen area |
| 20:14.49 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: It didn't work. Remind me where I ever told it what address I wanted to forward it to? |
| 20:14.50 | kanon-mat | alain10: check the cable to the monitor |
| 20:15.12 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: When did I make the translation from jae@ to jfoobar@ ? |
| 20:15.19 | zibri | _spc_: or not.. missed the lib prefix |
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| 20:15.21 | enouf | alain10: hit ctrl-alt-[+/-] a few times |
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| 20:15.34 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: never |
| 20:15.40 | _spc_ | zibri, gonna try it out |
| 20:15.45 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: i didnt know you got different names between those 2 servers |
| 20:16.06 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Ok. Well that translation needs to be made. Good. That' |
| 20:16.14 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: thats completely new to me |
| 20:16.14 | cognitiaclaeves | s what the problem likely is, then. |
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| 20:16.23 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: ok, hold on |
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| 20:18.21 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: echo jfoobar@foobar.com > ~/.forward |
| 20:18.42 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: assuming jfoobar is the name on the smart host |
| 20:18.50 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Is that a function of lenny, or exim? |
| 20:19.02 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: sendmail compatible mta |
| 20:19.14 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me exactly what virtual memory represents, and why some applications appear to have a lot of it allocated? |
| 20:19.15 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: *any* sendmail compatible mta |
| 20:19.29 | cognitiaclaeves | Ok: jfoobar is the exchange name, jae is the local name. |
| 20:19.37 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: ok then |
| 20:19.45 | cognitiaclaeves | jfoobar is what I want, then? |
| 20:19.51 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: yea |
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| 20:20.29 | cognitiaclaeves | ( I got confused when you said 'smart host' -- I've been trying to figure out what that term means.. ) |
| 20:20.38 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: change the /etc/mailname back btw, its not gonna break anything right now, but its not ok, my fault |
| 20:22.05 | cognitiaclaeves | ok, I've made the forward change, as well as the mailname change back to svnlenny.foobar.com. |
| 20:22.21 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: "echo testmail | mail -s test jae" works now ? |
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| 20:24.22 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: I'm back to the "completed" message I was getting earlier.. http://paste.debian.net/34158 |
| 20:24.44 | cognitiaclaeves | ( but not seeing mail. ) |
| 20:25.21 | cognitiaclaeves | I don't think the forward directive is working, though. |
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| 20:25.59 | cognitiaclaeves | wait... was that supposed to be in the home path? |
| 20:26.16 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: what? the .forward file? |
| 20:26.23 | cognitiaclaeves | yes. |
| 20:26.30 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: yes.. i dont see the forward file working so its wrong |
| 20:26.30 | cognitiaclaeves | I think I did two things wrong with it. |
| 20:26.47 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: cut & paste my code would have sufficed ) |
| 20:27.36 | cognitiaclaeves | sorry. |
| 20:27.44 | cognitiaclaeves | ( It seemed self-evident enough. ) :p |
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| 20:29.16 | _Elric_ | hello there, guys |
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| 20:30.02 | cognitiaclaeves | hmm.. elric... do the names 'rendezvous houston' or 'roundtable' mean anything to you? |
| 20:30.36 | _Elric_ | cognitiaclaeves: uhm... no. are there any problems ? |
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| 20:30.47 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: The forward still doesn't look like it's catching. |
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| 20:31.01 | cognitiaclaeves | _Elric_: No. Just checking to see if I might know you. |
| 20:31.23 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: I'm sure I got the forward file right, this go around, though. |
| 20:31.41 | _Elric_ | cognitiaclaeves: uh... ok. ok then, so... nice to meet you cognitiaclaeves :) |
| 20:31.47 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: lets see the log |
| 20:31.54 | cognitiaclaeves | Nice to meet you, _Elric_. :) |
| 20:32.39 | cognitiaclaeves | http://paste.debian.net/34159 |
| 20:32.45 | _Elric_ | a little question: i have some pcs on which i need to restrict the number os websites that they can visit... how can i do? shall i only use privoxy or are there some others possibilities ? |
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| 20:33.26 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: its as if your .forward file wasnt used, wtf |
| 20:34.32 | cognitiaclaeves | find ~ | grep forward ... /home/jae/.forward |
| 20:34.43 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: or did you not send new mail? |
| 20:34.46 | cognitiaclaeves | right? |
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| 20:35.33 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: yea, right |
| 20:35.47 | faffi | How do I get alsa to support playback from multiple sources, like watching a youtube video and playing music with amarok at the same time |
| 20:36.23 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: I'm pretty sure that I sent new mail... I did it again, and changed the subject... which was rather futile... http://paste.debian.net/34160 |
| 20:36.38 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Should I change to postfix? |
| 20:36.50 | faffi | <3 postfix |
| 20:36.55 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: and you sent mail from root and jae too, thats ok |
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| 20:37.03 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: this is not really a postfix vs exim issue |
| 20:37.07 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Yes. Trying to save you a step. |
| 20:37.12 | cognitiaclaeves | ok. |
| 20:38.44 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Now, lenny uses exim-lite by default... would that be an issue? |
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| 20:39.53 | ajavid | valdyn, I got it installed now fully via debootstrap |
| 20:39.55 | ajavid | word. |
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| 20:41.40 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: thats fine |
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| 20:42.05 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: now basically its sending to svnlenny.foobar.com again, which was ok when /etc/mailname was different |
| 20:42.08 | ajavid | guys, whats a good fixed width font? |
| 20:42.36 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: and i guess .forward isnt used when you use a smarthost so you need to use /etc/aliases instead |
| 20:42.38 | PatrickBatman | ajavid: I'm using courier-medium-r |
| 20:42.38 | ajavid | I'm using courier 10 pitch but it shows only a (dash/hyphen) in place of a tilde ~ |
| 20:42.41 | ajavid | its not curved |
| 20:42.47 | amphi | deju vu sans mono is pleasant IMHO |
| 20:42.49 | ajavid | yeah, courier doesn't draw tilde right |
| 20:42.57 | ajavid | amphi, pin asshole |
| 20:42.57 | Optic | droid sans |
| 20:42.59 | ajavid | :) |
| 20:42.59 | PatrickBatman | xterm*font: -*-courier-medium-r-*-*-18-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-* |
| 20:43.00 | PatrickBatman | does |
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| 20:43.08 | ajavid | oh i see, bitmap font |
| 20:43.18 | ajavid | I mean like a true type |
| 20:43.22 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: so tried that here and it works fine: alias jae : jfoobar in /etc/aliases and revert /etc/mailname *again* |
| 20:43.34 | amphi | ajavid: pon [expletive deleted] |
| 20:43.38 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: and forget about / delete .forward |
| 20:43.39 | ajavid | amphi, what was the quote #? |
| 20:43.47 | ajavid | 24? |
| 20:43.57 | amphi | I think so |
| 20:44.03 | ajavid | how do you do it? |
| 20:44.10 | ajavid | !qotd 24 |
| 20:44.26 | amphi | no, I think it's @quote get 24 or some such |
| 20:44.27 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Ok. We haven't added alias jae:jfoobar yet. |
| 20:44.39 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: yep |
| 20:44.42 | bolt | how do I set/unset that the vty consoles clear on logout? |
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| 20:45.02 | ajavid | amphi, no dice |
| 20:45.05 | cusco | hi |
| 20:45.08 | ajavid | hi |
| 20:45.17 | cusco | I have a configure script that asks for kde headers |
| 20:45.23 | cusco | I can't figure what they are |
| 20:45.24 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: i meant add jae : jfoobar in /etc/aliases, not add "alias jae : jbfoobar" |
| 20:45.35 | ajavid | apt-cache search kde|grep dev |
| 20:45.40 | chomwitt | hi. in wikimedia they are making a transition in cc-by-sa 3.0 . I'll vote , and i want to know if is debian compliant. |
| 20:45.41 | cusco | looking at that configure script it references stuff like kde_mt_libs |
| 20:45.50 | ajavid | it would be like a qt_mt headers or libs |
| 20:45.59 | jaggz- | I can't find information on the "randomart" images made by ssh now |
| 20:46.02 | cusco | ok |
| 20:46.06 | ajavid | yeh something of that nature, been a while since I built any kde stuff |
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| 20:46.21 | ajavid | but yeah, you need the dev packages, browse through those and you'll find it |
| 20:46.33 | ajavid | in fact, #debian-kde and #kde would know exactly which ones |
| 20:46.40 | cusco | ok |
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| 20:47.03 | jaggz- | anyone have information on how they're made? |
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| 20:47.19 | ajavid | jaggz-, is this a debian related debian support question? |
| 20:47.52 | ajavid | jaggz-, you're talking about some unofficial debian cd images or actual random ART as in like artful stuff |
| 20:47.55 | ajavid | ? |
| 20:48.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !ajavid |
| 20:48.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : ) |
| 20:48.17 | ajavid | uhm... |
| 20:48.22 | ajavid | I'm not a command :) |
| 20:48.22 | faffi | what group do i need to be in to burn cd's? |
| 20:48.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lolz |
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| 20:48.37 | ajavid | faffi, plugdev cdrom |
| 20:48.39 | ajavid | I think |
| 20:48.41 | jaggz- | standard debian openssh |
| 20:48.41 | faffi | ajavid: thanks |
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| 20:49.24 | ajavid | faffi, after you have added yourself, you need to log completely out of the system and log back in for it to take effect |
| 20:49.25 | faffi | i probably need to relogin for it to take effect to |
| 20:49.29 | faffi | haha |
| 20:49.36 | faffi | :D |
| 20:49.40 | kunal | hello. currently which is the best source for debian? |
| 20:49.40 | faffi | how do i check if im in the group |
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| 20:49.42 | faffi | isnt it id? |
| 20:49.44 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ajavid. i have a question. though might be offtopic |
| 20:49.46 | ajavid | kunal bhai! |
| 20:49.48 | kunal | the one which i am using is having problems getting pidgin |
| 20:49.49 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Ok.. now this isn't making sense... |
| 20:49.52 | kunal | hello ajavid!!! |
| 20:49.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I was trying to use compiz with lxde |
| 20:50.02 | ajavid | sh4d3sl4y3r_, not ot |
| 20:50.02 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.04 | ajavid | go ahead |
| 20:50.07 | kunal | ajavid mein: |
| 20:50.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | the top portion of the windows disappeared |
| 20:50.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : S |
| 20:50.17 | ajavid | sh4d3sl4y3r_, always? |
| 20:50.22 | kunal | ajavid: any idea on a good source? |
| 20:50.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ya |
| 20:50.28 | ajavid | sh4d3sl4y3r_, try to see if 'window decorations' plugin is enabled |
| 20:50.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i guess the problem is when compiz replaced openbox as lxde's wm |
| 20:50.37 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: hmm? |
| 20:50.40 | kunal | the one which i am using isnt working well |
| 20:50.41 | ajavid | sh4d3sl4y3r_, and you also need to run a compiz compatible window manager, usually emerald |
| 20:50.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm emerald |
| 20:50.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | will install that |
| 20:50.59 | cusco | still no can do... I used --whitout-kde |
| 20:51.00 | ajavid | kunal, hang on |
| 20:51.04 | cusco | lets see |
| 20:51.04 | kunal | ok |
| 20:51.17 | cusco | by the way what is X11/xpm.h ? |
| 20:51.23 | ajavid | kunal, you mean a mirror? |
| 20:51.26 | kunal | yes |
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| 20:51.36 | ajavid | kunal, /msg dpkg mirrors | /msg dpkg apt-spy |
| 20:51.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | kunal adab arz hai |
| 20:51.44 | ajavid | sh4d3sl4y3r_, gandoo |
| 20:51.50 | ajavid | I mean hi |
| 20:51.52 | ajavid | sorry, that was a typo |
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| 20:51.54 | ajavid | ;) |
| 20:51.55 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: i tried it here: do the name alias in /etc/aliases by adding "jae : jfoobar" in /etc/aliases and revert /etc/mailname to foobar.com again, since that obviously did what we wanted before. |
| 20:51.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | gandoo? |
| 20:52.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | gandoo is a slang in our langiage |
| 20:52.02 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lmao |
| 20:52.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *language |
| 20:52.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is a typo 2 |
| 20:52.07 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 20:52.07 | ajavid | pata hai. |
| 20:52.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | sala |
| 20:52.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : S |
| 20:52.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | tu india se hai |
| 20:52.16 | ajavid | chup kar |
| 20:52.19 | ajavid | english only |
| 20:52.20 | ajavid | please |
| 20:52.20 | kunal | ajavid: kuch mila? |
| 20:52.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | pancho |
| 20:52.27 | ajavid | kunal, i just told you |
| 20:52.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | where is abrotman |
| 20:52.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : S |
| 20:52.32 | kunal | ok. |
| 20:52.34 | kunal | thanks |
| 20:52.37 | ajavid | kunal, use apt-spy and build a list of fastest mirrors in the indian subcontinent |
| 20:52.38 | kunal | saw it |
| 20:52.40 | ajavid | enjoy |
| 20:52.44 | kunal | cool. |
| 20:52.45 | kunal | thanks |
| 20:52.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jay ho indian subcontinent ki :P |
| 20:53.01 | kunal | jai ho! |
| 20:53.04 | kunal | ok enough of this. |
| 20:53.04 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/34164 ... essentially, it does what it is supposed to do with jae@localhost, but not just jae |
| 20:53.06 | ajavid | I'm in usa, and I enjoy kernel.org and osu osl |
| 20:53.07 | kunal | we'll get kciked out. |
| 20:53.13 | kunal | kicked out |
| 20:53.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | kernel.org rules |
| 20:53.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wish there was the cox's kernel : ( |
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| 20:53.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | he stopped patching |
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| 20:53.55 | ajavid | man, I'm not looking forward to this... (I have to repackage some php stuff) :( |
| 20:54.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : S affirmative |
| 20:54.07 | ajavid | its alright, I got a 3.0ghz c2d, and 8gb ram, it will be fast |
| 20:54.29 | ajavid | I'm gonna adopt another package I think |
| 20:54.46 | ajavid | no work, no nothing, just waiting to go to school for masters and doing debian stuff, back home now |
| 20:54.49 | ajavid | man life kicks ass. |
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| 20:54.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i am planning to host a debian-india channel with my box which is always on |
| 20:55.00 | ajavid | anyway, let me configure my new sid box |
| 20:55.01 | ajavid | D: |
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| 20:55.18 | ajavid | I already administer #debian-in and #debian-ur |
| 20:55.20 | ajavid | :) |
| 20:55.28 | ajavid | india and urdu |
| 20:55.33 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | let me see |
| 20:55.34 | ajavid | should probably rename it to pk |
| 20:55.45 | ajavid | sh4d3sl4y3r_, no one in there, unless they need help in my langauges |
| 20:55.50 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 20:55.54 | ajavid | only then I ask them to go there, its rare, most people from india speak well |
| 20:55.58 | ajavid | good english |
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| 20:56.04 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: It looks like system_aliases is ignored if there is no system designated: ie, jae vs jae@localhost. |
| 20:56.11 | kunal | ajavid- are you sure apt-spy? |
| 20:56.12 | ajavid | sometimes though someone comes along who is a bit not so good at it |
| 20:56.18 | ajavid | kunal, yes |
| 20:56.22 | ajavid | !apt-spy |
| 20:56.22 | dpkg | a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
| 20:56.23 | kunal | ajavid: it dont work |
| 20:56.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ajavid tell me onething. though i asked everyone here. and they suggested apt-spy |
| 20:56.38 | kunal | ah ok |
| 20:56.40 | kunal | got it. |
| 20:56.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i formatted my pc 3 days back |
| 20:56.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | prior to it |
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| 20:56.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | my synaptic had an option to search for the best mirrors and change the sources.list accordingly |
| 20:57.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | like in buntu... |
| 20:57.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but |
| 20:57.10 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | after doing a fresh install |
| 20:57.21 | ajavid | I don't use gui tools |
| 20:57.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | that synaptic > repostitory option is not displaying the tests |
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| 20:57.35 | ajavid | I don't look down on them, I just never use them, I have no idea the functionality of synaptic |
| 20:57.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | everyone suggested apt-spy but didnt work |
| 20:57.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : S |
| 20:57.42 | ajavid | is strictly aptitude |
| 20:57.45 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | affirmative |
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| 20:58.03 | ajavid | apt-spy works fine |
| 20:58.06 | pm2 | Greetings - I'm making a small beowulf-type cluster using older machines. I'm looking to perform a very simple benchmark (eg, running a program on 1 node, then 2 nodes, then 3 nodes, etc, and comparing the amount of time the job takes). I'm playing with scalapack and related packages, but haven't found a good way to perform the test. Any advice? |
| 20:58.27 | foetus | good evening - what can i do, to disable kthreads with async io in the 2.6.2x series kernel? |
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| 21:00.07 | wrench- | question about updatedb... if i include "nfs" in PRUNEFS, shouldn't this prevent nfs file systems from being searched |
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| 21:00.50 | wrench- | i need updatedb to ignore nfs mounted file systems |
| 21:00.58 | wrench- | not sure how to accomplish that |
| 21:01.06 | ajavid | I think updatedb is ignoring prunefs atm |
| 21:01.21 | ajavid | wasn't this a recent bug in sid (iirc) |
| 21:01.28 | ajavid | I might have been stoned, so... |
| 21:01.38 | wrench- | i am running etch |
| 21:01.55 | ajavid | this bug was reported in oct 06 |
| 21:02.27 | foetus | better you add prunepaths.. |
| 21:02.33 | wrench- | ok |
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| 21:03.18 | ajavid | export PRUNEPATHS="/blah/blah" |
| 21:03.24 | wrench- | right |
| 21:03.43 | ajavid | expor PRUNEFS="nfs proc tmp etc. etc. |
| 21:03.46 | wrench- | interesting that updatedb totally ignores PRUNEFS |
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| 21:03.53 | wrench- | yeah, that's what i have in PRUNEFS |
| 21:04.02 | foetus | could anyone help me with my kernel-related problem^^ |
| 21:04.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ajavid you are using pure sid? |
| 21:04.14 | wrench- | PRUNEFS="NFS nfs nfs4 afs binfmt_misc proc smbfs autofs iso9660 ncpfs coda devpts ftpfs devfs mfs shfs sysfs cifs lustre_lite tmpfs usbfs udf" |
| 21:04.16 | ajavid | always |
| 21:04.20 | ajavid | and experimental |
| 21:04.32 | ajavid | and so far I've got a few things compiled from upstream sources |
| 21:04.41 | ajavid | some from git some from svn etc. etc. |
| 21:04.47 | ajavid | I like to BLEED on the EDGE biotch! |
| 21:04.54 | wrench- | haha |
| 21:04.54 | ajavid | i'll bleed all over you! |
| 21:04.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i was using sid. recently switched to lenny cause after it came out of freeze, giving unstable updates. And keeps asking to remove important packages |
| 21:05.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | say amarok-konqsidebar etc etc |
| 21:05.25 | PatrickBatman | so, any rubygems users here: is it worth my time to set up a system with rubygems pinned to experimental or just build my own packages for 1.3.1? |
| 21:05.28 | ajavid | you just gotta know how to manipulate packages, fake packages, dummy shit, blah blah |
| 21:05.31 | ajavid | it comes with time |
| 21:05.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm |
| 21:05.39 | ajavid | PatrickBatman, build your own |
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| 21:05.41 | ajavid | PatrickBatman, imo |
| 21:05.51 | PatrickBatman | ya. that's where I'm leaning right now |
| 21:05.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | will switch in a while again. stable is ok for now. but in 6 months will be too outdated |
| 21:06.07 | ajavid | PatrickBatman, even with xorg7.4 I built from git not use experimental, then later I head the experimental were buggy and crashy etc. |
| 21:06.08 | PatrickBatman | the 1.2.0 package has a significant number of patches to the source |
| 21:06.19 | ajavid | applying patches is trivial |
| 21:06.22 | PatrickBatman | which no longer apply cleanly to 1.3.1 |
| 21:06.23 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: not if no system is designated by if its not seeing that system as being local or somesuch - it works for me |
| 21:06.24 | ajavid | just read the docs, apply in order |
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| 21:06.31 | PatrickBatman | so I have to rewrite them |
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| 21:06.59 | PatrickBatman | not rocket science but y'know, it's work :) |
| 21:07.05 | ajavid | PatrickBatman, you may have to edit the patches or source yourself then, I remember I had to with the wifi nic driver for bcm43xx |
| 21:07.05 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Well, it appears to take root@localhost to jae (not jae@localhost) |
| 21:07.19 | ajavid | for packet injection, patch was for 3 revisions below the kernel I had |
| 21:07.27 | PatrickBatman | that's cool. I fear experimental. |
| 21:07.28 | ajavid | 2.6.18 |
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| 21:07.41 | ajavid | PatrickBatman, I fear none but my own unpredictibility |
| 21:07.41 | ajavid | :) |
| 21:07.49 | ajavid | I fear myself. |
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| 21:08.03 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: i dont even see that in your log |
| 21:08.10 | PatrickBatman | lolzd |
| 21:08.20 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: i see jae -> jae and root -> root and jae@localhost -> working good |
| 21:08.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | << wonders where is abrotman today |
| 21:08.40 | cognitiaclaeves | http://paste.debian.net/34166 |
| 21:09.13 | ajavid | he is driving home from work probably right about now |
| 21:09.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm |
| 21:10.24 | jaggz- | how can I do something like: cat foo.txt | clipboard |
| 21:10.25 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: this ought to be exim4 config settings dc_other_hostnames |
| 21:10.31 | ajavid | sh4d3sl4y3r_, kunal, #debian-chat |
| 21:10.37 | ajavid | for offtopicness |
| 21:11.22 | at0m|c | or, #debian-offtopic, as in /topic |
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| 21:12.05 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: what do I do with that information? ( I don't recognize those targets... ) |
| 21:12.20 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: add dc_other_hostnames='foobar.com' in the file /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 21:12.34 | cognitiaclaeves | ok. I can work with that. |
| 21:12.40 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: OR add if dc_other_hostnames is there already |
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| 21:13.28 | dec3pti0n | ok how do I destroy a sw raid in debian ? |
| 21:13.43 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Ah... this may be part of the problem... dc_readhost and dc_other_hostnames are both svnlenny.foobar.com |
| 21:13.56 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: 'foobar.com:next.com' ( meaning that entries are seperated by : |
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| 21:14.47 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: dc_other_hostnames defines what exim considers local mail |
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| 21:15.37 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: you need to run the command "update-exim4.conf" after editing that file and restart exim |
| 21:15.53 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Already done. |
| 21:15.58 | ajavid | at0m|c, a bunch of us do not like -offtopic |
| 21:16.14 | ajavid | at0m|c, we'll do what we want. |
| 21:16.16 | ajavid | :D |
| 21:16.40 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: It didn't like that. |
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| 21:16.57 | at0m|c | ajavid: feel free =] |
| 21:17.04 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/34167 |
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| 21:20.38 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: neat, aliasing seems to work, but now its spitting out unroutable |
| 21:20.45 | JW | What on earth is mod_ssl called for apache2 on Debian Lenny? I can't find anything like it with apt-cache |
| 21:21.17 | cognitiaclaeves | JW: Something like mod_apache2_ssl ? |
| 21:21.37 | cognitiaclaeves | nvm. |
| 21:21.44 | JW | cognitiaclaeves: nothing like that. Has it beenreplaced by libapache2-mod-gnutls ? |
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| 21:22.05 | JW | libapache2-mod-gnutls details say "It is similar in purpose to mod_ssl, but does not use OpenSSL." |
| 21:22.17 | JW | I think I'd like to continue using OpenSSL :-( |
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| 21:27.20 | JW | Ah - mod_ssl is no longer packaged seperately from apache2, it's part of the same package. Duh. |
| 21:27.35 | _paladin_ | when i mount dvd, dmesg got this http://pastebin.com/m781f4a16 |
| 21:27.42 | _paladin_ | mount don't discover fs, -t udf also doesn't work |
| 21:27.57 | _paladin_ | how can i mount this disk? in windows it's readable |
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| 21:29.08 | jaggz- | xfce in debian lenny is too old -- and I need the new feature "focus follows mouse (with a delay)" |
| 21:29.10 | jaggz- | what do I do? |
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| 21:30.10 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: I guess I give up on this, for now. Thanks for your help. :0 |
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| 21:30.23 | cognitiaclaeves | ( that was supposed to be a little more optimistic: :) |
| 21:30.28 | at0m|c | _paladin_: if it's a protected video DVD, look for libdvdcss. else, i dont know |
| 21:30.56 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: alrighty |
| 21:31.24 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: If something comes to you, feel free to memo me. :p |
| 21:31.29 | _paladin_ | at0m|c, it's just data disk, no-protect |
| 21:31.39 | at0m|c | _paladin_: oki.. |
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| 21:32.07 | cptblood | _paladin_: could it be burnt with udf 2.50 format? |
| 21:32.27 | _paladin_ | cptblood, i don't know, how can i see it? |
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| 21:33.03 | cptblood | maybe put the disk in and fire up windows and load imgburn to see |
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| 21:33.29 | cptblood | if it is, you'll need udf2.50 support to be downloaded and merged into the kernel |
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| 21:33.46 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: can you do one last thing as root ? "exim4 -bt jfoobar@foobar.com" |
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| 21:37.46 | feld | anyone here running sid and for some weird reason have no VTs?? |
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| 21:40.42 | lattera | so I have an ubuntu question that #ubuntu's not answering |
| 21:40.48 | lattera | anyone know how to throttle apt-get? |
| 21:41.02 | PatrickBatman | iptables |
| 21:41.07 | PatrickBatman | that's a networking issue |
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| 21:44.11 | |unjustice| | Wyzard: Hi I just mdadm -f /dev/sdb -r /dev/sdb from md0 which was a RAID 1 mirror of /dev/sda...and now I cannot boot my computer past GRUB |
| 21:46.05 | |unjustice| | Wyzard: even after plugging it back in, I cannot get computer to start |
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| 21:46.25 | dave81 | throttling apt-get. I've used trickle to throttle various programs, may do the trick for apt-get, however you may need to apt-get the package :) |
| 21:47.03 | |unjustice| | I just get error 17 at GRUB loading screen, probably master boot record was lost when sdb was failed? |
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| 21:53.54 | H2S04 | I install the Nvidia kernel binary package and nvidia-glx, and for whatever reason it seems to Signal 11 when I try to run the server as my normal account, but as root it starts fine. |
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| 21:54.20 | H2S04 | I assume this is a permission issues, but all the libraries and such seem to be in the video group, and my user account is a member of the video group. |
| 21:55.10 | bbelt16ag | what's the app that turns my cursor into a skull and cross bones and kills apps for me. |
| 21:55.13 | bbelt16ag | xkill? |
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| 21:56.22 | dondelelcaro | bbelt16ag: yes |
| 21:56.52 | bbelt16ag | what package is it in? |
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| 21:57.52 | sobersabre | hi guys... I think I'm missing something about md raid. hopefully you can enlighten me. |
| 21:58.00 | sobersabre | I have a RAID5 setup with 4 disks. |
| 21:58.02 | H2S04 | http://pastebin.com/m1c78c9dd |
| 21:58.10 | sobersabre | I am planning to add 2 more disks. |
| 21:58.32 | datenritter | sobersabre: where are you from? |
| 21:58.39 | sobersabre | can I GROW the RAID some how, without rebuilding the filesystem ? |
| 21:58.52 | datenritter | i think, you can, but i am not sure. |
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| 21:59.04 | sobersabre | datenritter: thank you... me too. |
| 21:59.08 | datenritter | there was an article in a german magazine about this some time ago |
| 21:59.29 | sobersabre | datenritter: I guess you want me to visit that link, right ? |
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| 21:59.43 | ajavid | hi |
| 21:59.45 | sobersabre | what's the name of the magazine ? |
| 21:59.53 | datenritter | no, i want you to buy that magazine. ;) AFAIR you have to add the drives as spares... |
| 21:59.54 | datenritter | c't |
| 22:00.13 | jaggz- | my file open prompts show double files |
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| 22:00.35 | datenritter | or maybe not as spares but as normal drives |
| 22:00.47 | unikon | using the Netinstall cd what are the standard programs available |
| 22:00.49 | datenritter | check the manpage of mdadm , if you find something like "grow" |
| 22:01.00 | datenritter | you have to grow the array one disk after another! |
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| 22:01.09 | datenritter | it has to be reconstructed every time |
| 22:01.14 | datenritter | that takes a lot of time |
| 22:01.25 | datenritter | after that you can enlarge the filesystem |
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| 22:01.46 | datenritter | depending on the filesystem you need to use resize2fs or resize_reiserfs |
| 22:01.51 | datenritter | or whatever |
| 22:01.58 | bzed | just make sure you have a backup |
| 22:02.02 | bzed | grow may fail |
| 22:02.12 | bzed | and if it failes, you're fucked up usually. |
| 22:02.18 | datenritter | indeed |
| 22:02.24 | datenritter | having a backup is DA RULE |
| 22:02.31 | kamp2tux | I received error msg (about signature) after running "aptitude update" command, please advise what should i do. TQ |
| 22:02.32 | datenritter | the COMMANDMENT |
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| 22:02.37 | kamp2tux | http://pastebin.com/m63be73a7 |
| 22:03.04 | bzed | kamp2tux: run aptitude update again, probably use a different mirror |
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| 22:03.57 | kamp2tux | bzed: I have run many times, and it is still the same error |
| 22:04.37 | bzed | kamp2tux: use a different mirror. |
| 22:04.38 | kamp2tux | bzed: the error msg is related to public key |
| 22:04.43 | bzed | kamp2tux: like ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 22:05.24 | sobersabre | datenritter: I will need to xfs_growfs ;-) |
| 22:05.47 | zamba | i have a 64-bit processor.. how do i know if i should download ia64 or amd64? |
| 22:06.13 | zinx | zamba: amd64 if you don't know otherwise |
| 22:06.14 | bbelt16ag | is it intel or amd ? |
| 22:06.25 | zamba | it's intel |
| 22:06.29 | zinx | zamba: amd64 if you don't know otherwise |
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| 22:06.44 | zamba | well, i'd like to be sure :) |
| 22:06.46 | datenritter | sobersabre: if you use XFS you definitely need a backup |
| 22:06.49 | datenritter | XFS sucks |
| 22:06.50 | zamba | it's a dual-core xeon |
| 22:06.54 | zamba | 5140 |
| 22:06.57 | zinx | zamba: Itanium processors are the only ones that use ia64 |
| 22:06.57 | mavhc | it's never ia64, for most values of never |
| 22:07.04 | zamba | mavhc: hehe, ok |
| 22:07.14 | feld | mavhc: lol |
| 22:07.20 | sobersabre | datenritter: why are you saying such thing ? |
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| 22:07.25 | zinx | zamba: Xeons that do 64-bit are definitely amd64 |
| 22:07.31 | zamba | zinx: roger that |
| 22:07.36 | sobersabre | given its features, it...rocks :) |
| 22:07.45 | zinx | (but do note that not all xeons do 64-bit, even dual-core ones) |
| 22:07.53 | mavhc | the only IA64 machines in use are ones that build IA64 linux distros |
| 22:07.57 | zamba | zinx: how can i check that? |
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| 22:08.07 | zinx | zamba: ask intel, i suspect :x |
| 22:08.16 | feld | datenritter: expecting your filesystem to last through your hard poweroffs means you need to get a UPS *and* do backups instead of blaming the filesystem. |
| 22:08.18 | zamba | zinx: i can't check any of the flags from /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 22:08.27 | _spc_ | do i have to relogin to make gnome shortcuts work (added with gconf-edit)? |
| 22:08.28 | zinx | zamba: you can try |
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| 22:08.49 | zinx | zamba: but i don't know that it's listed as a flag |
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| 22:09.25 | zinx | zamba: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon may have something useful |
| 22:09.28 | zamba | it's 64-bit |
| 22:09.32 | sobersabre | feld: I am on UPS, but I don't backup since the data is volatile. |
| 22:09.37 | zamba | confirmed on intel's site |
| 22:09.54 | sobersabre | yet, so far (hope it keeps this way) I had no problems with XFS. |
| 22:09.57 | datenritter | feld: i am not talking about powerfails. end even if i did: i expect *every* modern fs to recover after a power failure. it has to, cause the UPS can fail any time. if the fs is designed for a redundant powersupply only, it's not properly deisgned. anyway, actually my problem ist... |
| 22:09.59 | sobersabre | Love it's quota. |
| 22:10.03 | feld | sobersabre: same here. however i'm using ext4 now. |
| 22:10.05 | stone | how can i make a routing from port a to port b in iptables |
| 22:10.08 | datenritter | ...that an fscheck on xfs needs a lot of memory |
| 22:10.16 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps where can I get better icons for debain? |
| 22:10.18 | sobersabre | feld: is it stable enough to rely on ? |
| 22:10.25 | elvirolo | hi everyone |
| 22:10.26 | datenritter | e.g. if i have more than one TB, i need something like 2GB od ram or whatever |
| 22:10.38 | elvirolo | the connection with my rtl8187b usb wifi card is very slow, and i' still haven't found any solution |
| 22:10.44 | feld | sobersabre: i've been using it 3 months with no data loss. runs great IMO. YMMV. |
| 22:10.50 | sobersabre | datenritter: what are you talking about ? |
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| 22:11.17 | sobersabre | what your problem ist ? :) |
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| 22:11.24 | datenritter | also, with XFS you can loose all your data. you try to repair it, fsck rells you to delete the journal. you do so -> fs gone. i had that several times and have heard reports about it. maybe it's about my tools... |
| 22:11.30 | datenritter | ...not the fs itself. |
| 22:11.42 | datenritter | but after these experiences i went back to reiserfs |
| 22:11.50 | datenritter | i have *never ever* had any problems with reiserfs. |
| 22:11.56 | feld | datenritter: you would do filesystem repair like that without imaging it so you can try multiple times? |
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| 22:12.15 | feld | datenritter: also, every time i had to fsck reiser for any reason i lost data lol... |
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| 22:12.19 | NoobFukaire | Can you mount a disk that was part of a mirrored software raid setup? |
| 22:12.25 | NoobFukaire | i.e. without setting up raid again? |
| 22:12.30 | feld | NoobFukaire: yes |
| 22:12.32 | stdisease | I've lost data before but only with FUSEd FS's |
| 22:12.45 | datenritter | feld: imaging a 1TB drive to do a fsck is quite... senseless if it's a production system |
| 22:12.48 | feld | NoobFukaire: create it again. add it to the arry with mdadm |
| 22:12.58 | NoobFukaire | You can't just mount it somehow? |
| 22:13.10 | NoobFukaire | I don't want to raid it, I just want the data off of it |
| 22:13.21 | feld | NoobFukaire: no... you dont understand. you can have a 1 disk mirror |
| 22:13.28 | datenritter | NoobFukaire: do it the other way round |
| 22:13.34 | datenritter | just mount it |
| 22:13.43 | feld | NoobFukaire: it's kind of like this: mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 missing |
| 22:13.47 | feld | so it adds sda1 and missing to the array |
| 22:13.48 | datenritter | then you can always decide to add another disc to your (partial) raid1 |
| 22:13.51 | feld | and starts and you can pull data off it |
| 22:14.11 | sobersabre | datenritter: does anybody develop reiser since HR has gone to jail ? |
| 22:14.13 | datenritter | feld: it makes no sense to --add a missing drive ;) |
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| 22:14.21 | datenritter | you probably mean --assemble |
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| 22:14.26 | feld | datenritter: well not -add.. --assemble |
| 22:14.31 | feld | datenritter: you're correct |
| 22:14.35 | feld | anyway i have to go home from work |
| 22:15.13 | datenritter | sobersabre: reiserfs is still beeing developed AFAIK, also people are working on reiserfs4. i don't care what happened to HR and i think it makes no sense to judge a fs after a possible crime of it's creator |
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| 22:15.22 | datenritter | also there is ext4 on the rise |
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| 22:15.37 | datenritter | but XFS is just not trustworthy for me ATM(!) in debian(!) |
| 22:15.47 | datenritter | maybe it works fine on a solaris system... |
| 22:15.49 | sobersabre | datenritter: it's not "possible", since |
| 22:15.49 | datenritter | or bsd |
| 22:16.01 | sobersabre | hm. |
| 22:16.05 | sobersabre | it's linux in here. |
| 22:16.17 | _spc_ | yaaay, i set shortcut for gnome-system-monitor at last !!! |
| 22:16.17 | datenritter | did you ever have to repair a really large XFS? |
| 22:16.28 | sobersabre | 1.4 TB, once. |
| 22:16.48 | sobersabre | also a 10GB one on an old IRIX machine... took ages. |
| 22:16.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | XFS rules |
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| 22:17.05 | sobersabre | the 1.4TB went quite fast - inbetween 2-3 hours |
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| 22:17.39 | sobersabre | and I haven't lost a bit. |
| 22:17.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | freebsd is supporting XFS? |
| 22:17.56 | sobersabre | sh4d3sl4y3r_: google... or #freebsd |
| 22:18.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | << is a debian guy |
| 22:18.06 | sobersabre | if you're not too cool for that... |
| 22:18.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | just asking |
| 22:18.29 | datenritter | sobersabre: well maybe i had broken or buggy packages... |
| 22:18.50 | datenritter | the XFS was on a raid, which might also have added trouble |
| 22:18.54 | sobersabre | datenritter: I have no idea. maybe you had physical damage to the drives, cause by some annoying surges. |
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| 22:19.32 | sobersabre | datenritter: I think we need to know things like age of the drives, type of the controller, and the software versions... |
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| 22:19.41 | sobersabre | you could get into some bad combination there. |
| 22:19.52 | sobersabre | it's also important to know When it happened ? |
| 22:20.16 | ovnicraft | hi i want to install realtek ethernet card in 5.0 but it doesnt recognized it? |
| 22:20.22 | ovnicraft | any suggest? |
| 22:20.24 | datenritter | sobersabre: it's too long ago... |
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| 22:21.11 | Noble | So I've set up a debian server with 2 NIC to do SNAT. I'm looking for a way to limit only certain MAC addresses to connect out on the Internet with iptables. (I know MAC filtering is not secure, but its more than enough for me). Suggestions? |
| 22:22.10 | datenritter | arptables? |
| 22:22.59 | Noble | And how would you go about that? |
| 22:23.17 | datenritter | statement: apt-cache is such a great thing if you have to do more than one install... :) |
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| 22:23.55 | datenritter | Noble: i don't know, but i think, arptables can match mac-addresses. (there might even be an iptables-module for that...) |
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| 22:24.32 | Noble | I know that iptables can match MAC address, but I'm not sure how I should specify it in the rulesets. Maybe make a userchain for filtering macs? |
| 22:25.36 | emss | so is kde4 ready to go in unstable? |
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| 22:26.10 | datenritter | Noble: your server is a firewall? and you want to prevent certain NICs from having their inertent accesses beeing forwarded? right? |
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| 22:26.25 | Noble | datenritter, that is correct |
| 22:26.39 | sobersabre | ok, thanks all, I'm off |
| 22:27.23 | Sazpaimon | Ive got a suspicion that one of my drives in my md raid1 array is going bad, whithout physical access how would i figure out which hard drive? |
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| 22:28.36 | datenritter | Noble: i think you don't gain anything in comparison to IP-based security there |
| 22:28.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !kde4 |
| 22:28.41 | dpkg | kde4 is a the lastest version of the KDE desktop. It was not released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4.1 are available from http://kde4.debian.net/ KDE 4.2 should start to appear in unstable soon, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2009/03/msg00072.html <Experimental> packages are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 22:28.50 | datenritter | but you should do it like that: |
| 22:29.09 | emss | thanks |
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| 22:29.26 | datenritter | iptables -A FORWARD -src IP -j ACCEPT (just that you replace the IP-match with a mac-match as explained in the manpage) |
| 22:29.30 | datenritter | and: |
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| 22:29.48 | datenritter | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -src IP etc... -j MASQUERADE |
| 22:30.13 | gaintsura | what is the utility to setup the time/date? |
| 22:30.20 | dkr | date |
| 22:30.37 | Noble | datenritter: You might have saved my day |
| 22:30.42 | dkr | and tzconfig perhaps |
| 22:30.53 | datenritter | Noble: np |
| 22:31.15 | datenritter | Noble: you can also add -i and -o (interface matches) to be even more safe |
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| 22:31.38 | Noble | datenritter: What I use now is: $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $EXTIF -j SNAT --to $EXTIP |
| 22:31.40 | datenritter | like -i eth0 -o eth1 (in FORWARD) and -o eth1 only in POSTROUTING |
| 22:32.14 | datenritter | Noble: i think masquerading is better than SNATting, as you want to get the "answeres" back to the client |
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| 22:33.01 | Noble | datenritter: I see |
| 22:33.30 | datenritter | arr, i hate it when a fresh install does not allow me to go to a console after X started. (screen is blank, probably overclocked terminal....) |
| 22:33.52 | Texou | hey :) |
| 22:34.18 | Texou | could you tell me if you think that gnome-keyring-daemon is required on a system? or it's only a gadget |
| 22:34.42 | datenritter | Texou: what does it do |
| 22:34.47 | _spc_ | it's a good service |
| 22:35.32 | Texou | datenritter: if I understand what I read on google it's a key handler, it handles passwords and user's name. But there's gdm too... I dont see its function |
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| 22:37.28 | aspect | iirc, g-k-d stores keys for gksudo .. not sure what wlse |
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| 22:39.12 | Noble | datenritter: http://pastebin.com/d20b628e6 as you can see there it does not work with POSTROUTING, or am I reading it wrong? |
| 22:39.50 | datenritter | storing information for sudo is a serious security hole |
| 22:39.53 | datenritter | don't do it |
| 22:40.14 | datenritter | if your system is unsafe for 30 minutes after you used sudo... it's in danger |
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| 22:40.26 | datenritter | Noble: one second |
| 22:41.18 | cire | I am using phpbb3 from debian package. in /etc/phpbb3 there is no config.php, but a database.inc.php |
| 22:41.25 | Sazpaimon | will mdadm automatically remove a degraded partition in an array? |
| 22:41.35 | cire | I want to add another board with a virtual domain, but it doesn't work |
| 22:41.41 | cire | (auto_prepend_file) |
| 22:41.51 | cire | it still uses the settings from database.inc.php |
| 22:41.57 | Sazpaimon | since i just checked mdstat and it doesnt show sda7 in my array anymore |
| 22:42.05 | cire | does anybody use phpbb3 from debian with multiple boards? |
| 22:43.01 | datenritter | Noble: ok, you don't ant to match mac-addresses in POSTROUTING |
| 22:43.25 | datenritter | just throw everything which goes out on eth1 (e.g.) to MASQUERADE |
| 22:43.40 | datenritter | you don't have to differnetiate there |
| 22:44.07 | Noble | datenritter, Do you mind giving me an example? :) |
| 22:44.24 | datenritter | hmm, the mac-match doesn't seem to work in FORWARD either |
| 22:44.26 | datenritter | that's bad |
| 22:44.32 | Noble | datenritter, eth0 is external eth1 is internal |
| 22:44.44 | datenritter | ah, of course. |
| 22:44.55 | datenritter | the mac-address is lost after PREROUTING i guess |
| 22:45.03 | datenritter | level 3 |
| 22:45.10 | datenritter | network level 3 -> IP routing |
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| 22:45.25 | datenritter | you have to set up an ethernet bridge if you want to fiddle with mac-addresses |
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| 22:45.35 | Noble | datenritter, I see, so in other words its simpler to use IP filtering? |
| 22:45.39 | datenritter | anyway, you might mark your packages in PREROUTING |
| 22:45.50 | datenritter | then use the marker to filter in FORWARD |
| 22:46.02 | datenritter | yes, it's much simpler to do ip-filtering in a _router_ |
| 22:46.10 | datenritter | (router != switch) |
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| 22:47.43 | Noble | datenritter: lets see now, in your opinion whats the easiest way to go about this? |
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| 22:48.19 | Noble | datenritter: I want to be able to kick people out of the net if possible as well |
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| 22:49.26 | datenritter | ip-based security definitely |
| 22:49.45 | datenritter | without logins or cryptography there is no better way anyway |
| 22:49.58 | datenritter | anybody might spoof an ip or just change the mac on his/her pc |
| 22:50.58 | Noble | Its for a school. Nobody has access to a terminal, just firefox and open office |
| 22:51.00 | Noble | :p |
| 22:51.33 | rvalles | no way around that? :P |
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| 22:51.50 | aspect | it's important to leave obscure backdoors in school systems |
| 22:51.56 | rvalles | yup |
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| 22:52.15 | Noble | Agreed, |
| 22:52.22 | rvalles | knows a bunch of these kiosk desktops and their workarounds |
| 22:52.34 | rvalles | from many places @ campus XD |
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| 22:52.54 | aspect | even better if you can leave an amusing message when they're used |
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| 22:53.10 | rvalles | doesn't do that. |
| 22:53.16 | rvalles | I'm clean |
| 22:53.29 | datenritter | aspect: so the more intelligent kids learn how to hack and get interested in computers? |
| 22:54.07 | aspect | used to work in a business putting services into schools. At one soft spot in the proxy we inserted a message with an email address to apply for a job :) |
| 22:54.11 | TheSarge | !dpkg mutimedia |
| 22:54.42 | mavhc | I'm going to lock down my kid's computers so well they'll be forced to become hackers |
| 22:54.50 | datenritter | aspect: that's great. really. :) |
| 22:55.06 | TheSarge | Anyone know a website with instructions for adding the multimedia repo? |
| 22:55.16 | themill | dpkg: tell TheSarge about dmm |
| 22:55.33 | themill | dpkg: tell TheSarge about bot help |
| 22:55.37 | TheSarge | I think he is brooken today |
| 22:55.51 | datenritter | !dpkg |
| 22:55.52 | dpkg | from memory, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 22:56.01 | datenritter | no, "he" is not broken. |
| 22:56.06 | wad | My home debian server lost it's ppp0 connection early this morning. In the logs, I can see that it lost connection: "Serial link appears to be disconnected." The connection was terminated, the modem hung up. Then it tried to reconnect a couple of times, then gave up for good. This morning, I manually "/etc/init.d/networking restart" and it came up fine. Anyone have a clue where I can configure it to keep on trying to reconnect? |
| 22:56.18 | PatrickBatman | what's the proper way to create a patch with dpatch? |
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| 22:57.39 | wad | wanders away from his keyboard for a moment. |
| 22:58.23 | datenritter | has to go |
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| 22:59.01 | NoobFukaire | you can just mount raid 1 drives |
| 22:59.02 | bbelt16ag | where can I change the folder for the default icons for icons in gnome, like packages, files, folders, etc. I got some cool ones I want to use |
| 22:59.07 | NoobFukaire | using -t to specific the type of filesystem |
| 23:00.51 | Noble | well, thanks for yer help everyone |
| 23:00.54 | Noble | ttyl |
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| 23:02.12 | dkr | bbelt16ag: system...prefs...appearance |
| 23:02.53 | dkr | theme...customize...icons |
| 23:03.53 | bbelt16ag | no I want to add my own icons. |
| 23:04.20 | bbelt16ag | where do I put them or how do I add another folder that will make them show up there in `icons...` |
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| 23:05.31 | gaintsura | how do I specify what applications can be accessed by a normal user and which ones cannot? |
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| 23:08.12 | PatrickBatman | gaintsura: man chmod |
| 23:08.39 | gaintsura | PatrickBatman: when I try to run them it doesn't say access denied, it says command not found, unless I'm in root |
| 23:09.20 | PatrickBatman | so you want a custom error message? |
| 23:09.28 | gaintsura | no |
| 23:09.39 | gaintsura | I want to be able to access say.. ifconfig as a normal user |
| 23:09.51 | themill | gaintsura: add /sbin to your $PATH |
| 23:10.10 | themill | dpkg: tell gaintsura about path |
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| 23:11.24 | DynamicPink | Any suggestions on correcting this error with Adept? "adept: cannot connect to X server" |
| 23:11.57 | DynamicPink | This error comes up when running Adept as root. Non-root users can run the program, but not get an exclusive lock on the database. |
| 23:12.18 | themill | dpkg: tell DynamicPink about sux |
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| 23:13.06 | themill | DynamicPink: different users can't run things on your X server. You need something like sux, gksu or kdesu to allow that to happen. |
| 23:13.17 | gaintsura | themill: thanks. |
| 23:14.15 | DynamicPink | themill: kde pops a kdesu prompt to run adept at login, but it never shows. Shut down the machine and as soon as KDE shuts down an adept window pops up, but at that point it is too late. |
| 23:14.20 | aspect | don't we xhost + any more? :) |
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| 23:15.23 | DynamicPink | It looks like some kind of permission issue, but I can't find any good Google results on it. |
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| 23:15.47 | gaintsura | next question, I have an atheros ar5007eg wifi card, (AR242x). I can't get madwifi to work and install on debian, even after using the madwifi-tools and such. even tried 2 different source packages, one with no patch, one with a patch specifically for the ar242x. has anyone gotten this card to work in lenny? |
| 23:16.40 | themill | DynamicPink: etch? sid? |
| 23:16.59 | DynamicPink | squeeze, but it did it with etch too. |
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| 23:17.42 | bbelt16ag | does gnome not support .ico icons? |
| 23:17.57 | themill | DynamicPink: adept is a sufficiently broken POS in etch I wouldn't touch it. I presume it's not that broken in squeeze but you never know. I wouldn't touch it myself.... Try it with gksu to see if it's just a kdesu problem. |
| 23:18.27 | DynamicPink | ok, thanks themill |
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| 23:25.43 | DynamicPink | themill: It looks like someone submitted a bug report on it back on Feb 23 2009. Debian Bug report logs - #516791 Thanks again. |
| 23:26.39 | themill | Yet another reason not to use adept... |
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| 23:40.28 | manu_hack | forums.debian.net temporarily gone :( |
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| 23:53.47 | romeus1 | hello |
| 23:54.18 | gothan | salut |
| 23:54.24 | claint | quick question... I have changed by hard drive configuration. Installing a new kernel updates /boot/grub/menu.lst according to my old harddisk configuration. how do I tell grub what my actual configuration is? or where does grub get the information from? |
| 23:54.37 | gothan | connais tu le tuto torrent flux |
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