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| 00:11.36 | thirdwheel_ | hey all, i've set up my sudoers file like so: http://codepad.org/p4ez6qvb - but the openvisor user still can't do any of the commands I've set - it still asks for a password and won't let it through |
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| 00:13.40 | joltcan_ | thirdwheel_: looks good. Try and just put the commands after NOPASSWD: /sbin... and so on and see if it makes a difference |
| 00:14.40 | thirdwheel_ | still asks for password, and still won't let it |
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| 00:19.23 | joltcan | Thats just weird, is it the correct file? correct computer? |
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| 00:19.57 | joltcan | correct user? |
| 00:20.21 | thirdwheel_ | yep, correct user, and there's only one machiine running debian on my desk |
| 00:20.59 | thirdwheel_ | well actually a debootstrap'd ubuntu intrepid, but in the ubuntu channel I can't get two words out of them on issues like this |
| 00:21.13 | simNIX | thirdwheel_, for me it works like this; http://pastebin.com/d21fd1ee9 |
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| 00:24.20 | Tramp | thirdwheel_: ubuntu is offtopic here. No idea how ubuntu may have modified sudo to fit their needs. |
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| 00:25.17 | thirdwheel_ | wouldn't surprise me if they did... and the only reason I am using it is because debian's netinst kernel doesn't support my network card |
| 00:26.12 | simNIX | a nic = 5 euro and you got a supported one ;0) |
| 00:27.12 | pipeline | thirdwheel_: that's rough, maybe you should install debian |
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| 00:27.33 | thirdwheel_ | hmm... i do have other cards at home I could use |
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| 00:31.16 | thirdwheel_ | and attempts to force debian lenny to accept the ubuntu kernel have ended in disaster |
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| 00:33.11 | simNIX | nic change sounds ike more stable solution .... |
| 00:33.34 | thirdwheel_ | yep |
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| 00:35.47 | simNIX | if you want stability ebian is realy a great choice, but since stability is focus newest things dont come in fast - Ubuntu takes still unstable debain and bulds newer things on that |
| 00:36.04 | thirdwheel_ | that would explain a lot |
| 00:36.17 | simNIX | there not exchangable - there diferent projects / builds |
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| 00:46.10 | dkr | more like debian testing rather than debian unstable. give them a little credit. :) |
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| 00:46.52 | meyou | coworker just asked me how to make his debian server a LAMP server |
| 00:47.07 | meyou | i told him apt-get install apache2 + apt-get install php5-mysql |
| 00:47.10 | meyou | that should do it no? |
| 00:47.30 | thirdwheel_ | why two commands? apt-get install apache2 php5-mysql |
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| 00:47.41 | dkr | he already has Perl |
| 00:47.43 | dkr | :p |
| 00:47.55 | dkr | just install apache and mysql |
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| 00:47.58 | meyou | is the P in LAMP perl? thought it was php |
| 00:48.13 | meyou | ah |
| 00:48.15 | meyou | either or |
| 00:48.15 | dkr | it was originally perl, nowadays could be perl,php,python |
| 00:48.22 | thirdwheel_ | if all of the dependencies are in place, that should set up everything he needs |
| 00:48.38 | dkr | or ruby, heh |
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| 00:48.46 | thirdwheel_ | then it would be LAMR |
| 00:48.48 | meyou | LAMR just doesn't have the same ring |
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| 00:48.53 | dkr | heh, yeah |
| 00:49.10 | thirdwheel_ | I've been looking into LESP - Linux, (E)nginx, SQLite, PHP |
| 00:49.34 | thirdwheel_ | about 24mb at start as opposed to 191mb for LAMP |
| 00:49.34 | meyou | LESSSSSP |
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| 01:04.12 | kamp2tux | under the Administration > Software Sources > Debian Software > Download from: Others > Select the best server (( Can I do this in CLI or what is the command line for aptitude to find the fast/best repo server ? )) |
| 01:04.20 | marko_d | hi |
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| 01:05.10 | Texou | hi |
| 01:05.10 | marko_d | i have installed debian and skiped repo configuration |
| 01:05.24 | marko_d | how do i add all stuff in sources.list now? |
| 01:05.37 | Texou | apt-setup? |
| 01:05.46 | Texou | marko_d: |
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| 01:06.21 | marko_d | apt-config? |
| 01:06.28 | marko_d | i don't have setup |
| 01:06.33 | Texou | marko_d: no apt-setup I think |
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| 01:07.01 | marko_d | i don't have that package |
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| 01:07.14 | marko_d | but i gues i should try tommorow |
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| 01:07.30 | Texou | marko_d: wait |
| 01:07.36 | twinkie_addict | what app do i need to get debian lenny to see my blackberry |
| 01:08.34 | kingsley | Is the a way to do something analogous to inserting a live CD and pushing the reset button on a remote virtual private server? |
| 01:09.35 | Texou | marko_d: well you can do it by hand |
| 01:09.45 | marko_d | Texou: yeah i know |
| 01:09.55 | Texou | marko_d: there're a lot of good templates |
| 01:10.00 | marko_d | i just need some good repos to choose from |
| 01:10.01 | Texou | marko_d: it's a standard file |
| 01:10.16 | Texou | marko_d: where are you from? |
| 01:10.22 | marko_d | macedonia |
| 01:10.24 | dkr | kingsley: debootstrap? |
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| 01:10.51 | Texou | marko_d: what's your... extension (fr, it, eu, es)? |
| 01:10.58 | marko_d | mk |
| 01:11.36 | Texou | marko_d: I can give you mine then you can try replacing fr with mk if you want |
| 01:11.50 | marko_d | Texou: but i guess i will solve it tommorow, it is 3 am :) |
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| 01:12.02 | marko_d | Texou: if you can |
| 01:12.02 | Texou | as you like :D |
| 01:12.08 | Texou | yes I can |
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| 01:17.00 | maher | spose i'm in a symlink dir foo, then ls ../bar/file doesn't work - even though tab completion works - is this the desired behaviour/ |
| 01:17.59 | maher | ok - i think ls and tab completion are looking in different parent directories... |
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| 01:21.12 | meder | can anyone recommend an ftp/sftp client that's better than gftp. i hate it. |
| 01:21.29 | marko_d | meder konqueror |
| 01:21.41 | meder | erm |
| 01:22.06 | meder | is that a package containing an ftp client as well as the browser? |
| 01:22.41 | meder | im familiar with the user agent Konqueror |
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| 01:23.52 | marko_d | meder: konqueror is an all in one file operation & web tool for kde |
| 01:23.58 | meder | ah |
| 01:24.06 | meder | stupid question - i can still run that while on gnome? |
| 01:24.14 | marko_d | yeah |
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| 01:25.10 | wrice_ | meder: If it's a graphical client you're after, I'd look at FileZilla |
| 01:26.05 | david_ | what app do i need to get debian lenny to see my blackberry |
| 01:26.06 | meder | wrice_: there's a Linux version of that? |
| 01:26.18 | meder | wrice_: i dont want to use WINE/* |
| 01:26.19 | dkr | david_: virtualbox to run windows |
| 01:26.41 | david_ | ok |
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| 01:27.15 | david_ | ill just us my girlfriends windows box :) |
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| 01:28.30 | wrice_ | meder: The server is Win32-only, afaik, but there is a Linux client - http://filezilla-project.org/download.php?type=client |
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| 01:32.03 | mns | I've got Debian/testing. I've got some true-type fonts that I'd like to add to my system. Where can I find information to do that ? defoma ? or is there some other way ? |
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| 01:38.23 | Supaplex | !fonts |
| 01:38.23 | dpkg | well, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis Ask me about <install font>. |
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| 01:38.43 | Supaplex | !install font |
| 01:38.43 | dpkg | To install fonts for just one user, copy then into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <kfontinst>). To install them system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root. |
| 01:38.57 | Supaplex | mns: well lookie here. :) |
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| 01:42.23 | mns | Supaplex: well well well whadya know !! dpkg always has the answers :) |
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| 01:44.41 | thirdwheel_ | heh... note to self - USB network adapters usually give craptacular results |
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| 01:46.12 | Supaplex | thirdwheel_: but but but usb devices are our panecia! they always meet our needs. *cough* :) |
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| 01:54.14 | scheng | somebody help. when i update the debian system. i meet the problems"$ apt-get |
| 01:54.14 | scheng | apt-get: /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)" anybody give some hint?? |
| 01:54.51 | scheng | anybody here ? |
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| 01:55.54 | jetscreamer | give them a chance |
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| 01:56.23 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 01:56.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 01:57.40 | jetscreamer | what happens if you run aptitude, scheng |
| 01:58.14 | scheng | jetscreamer the output is "aptitude: /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)" |
| 01:59.03 | jetscreamer | dselect ? :) |
| 01:59.42 | scheng | sorry, dselect? is this a command ? or ? |
| 02:00.02 | jetscreamer | yes actually, a package manager... the old default |
| 02:00.15 | jetscreamer | no idea if it would throw the same error or not |
| 02:00.19 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
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| 02:00.19 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 02:00.52 | scheng | my system is lenny, no the command "bash: dselect: command not found" |
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| 02:00.58 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:01.05 | jetscreamer | not installed by default anymore |
| 02:01.10 | Stanlin | help, my computer doesnt not hibernate |
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| 02:01.19 | pl4yer0ne | /usr/local/lib ? that cant be right |
| 02:01.20 | jetscreamer | i've no idea personally how to fix that error |
| 02:01.44 | jetscreamer | ooh good eye pl4yer0ne |
| 02:02.12 | pl4yer0ne | scheng, have you installed stuff from source or anything like? using non-standard repositories? |
| 02:02.21 | Stanlin | help |
| 02:02.25 | jetscreamer | the first error you pasted has /usr/local |
| 02:02.30 | jetscreamer | !hibernate |
| 02:02.54 | scheng | pl4yer0ne, yeah ,you are right, i'v install the older version gcc-3.3 under /usr/local/bin.. |
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| 02:03.21 | jetscreamer | !alternatives |
| 02:03.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives> |
| 02:03.26 | Stanlin | im gayly considering to turn to Vista, ... just for the hibernate thing... it annoying to open the applications again... and again.... and again... |
| 02:03.37 | pl4yer0ne | ok well that has broken stuff. |
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| 02:05.40 | scheng | yeah, i think so too, couse the problem comes up after i hit the update(and he meet some problem i couldn't deep into...) so how can i reovle it ?pl4yer0ne |
| 02:05.52 | jetscreamer | fix the path? |
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| 02:06.09 | jetscreamer | or fix the update-alternatives |
| 02:06.16 | jetscreamer | !update-alternatives |
| 02:06.16 | dpkg | i heard update-alternatives is a program to run from the command line. or a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the debian alternatives system |
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| 02:06.49 | pl4yer0ne | why did you install the old gcc to local? |
| 02:07.34 | Stanlin | help me ..! |
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| 02:07.53 | Stanlin | !flash |
| 02:07.54 | dpkg | flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 02:09.59 | scheng | pl4yer0ne i need the older one to test something..:) |
| 02:10.16 | scheng | and there is more information:ldd /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 02:10.17 | pl4yer0ne | yeah but why not install it from the repos? |
| 02:10.17 | scheng | /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6) |
| 02:10.17 | scheng | linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb7fa3000) |
| 02:10.17 | scheng | libm.so.6 => /lib/i686/cmov/libm.so.6 (0xb7e7e000) |
| 02:10.17 | scheng | libc.so.6 => /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7d23000) |
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| 02:12.01 | scheng | sorry. past wrong words.. |
| 02:12.24 | maher | bash tab completion and ls / cp use different methods to find the path back from symlinked directories, is this the desired behaviour? |
| 02:12.28 | scheng | i couldn't find the gcc-3.3 from lenny repos. the lowest version is gcc-3.4 |
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| 02:13.42 | scheng | i want to say is:ldd /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 .....libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1. i need change this link. but i don't know how. any method? |
| 02:13.45 | pl4yer0ne | ah ok.. |
| 02:14.12 | maher | Stanlin: do you have problems with swsusp? |
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| 02:15.09 | pl4yer0ne | scheng, you want to look at ldd and ldconfig i think |
| 02:15.24 | Stanlin | maher: when i type: hibernate --force, it shutsdown, but when i start again, keyboard aint working, and black screen |
| 02:15.25 | gog | I'm trying to set up lenny as a dom0 host and all it does is nothing, and when I use noreboot I get no useful information as to why it's doing nothing |
| 02:15.28 | gog | any ideas? |
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| 02:17.18 | Stanlin | what is the secret repository to install codecs and other forbiden stuff? |
| 02:18.00 | maher | Stanlin: supprt varies by hardware - do other people have this working? does s2disk work? |
| 02:19.02 | Stanlin | maher: s2disk works... but when i turn on the laptop, same problem... it black screens after loading the hubernation file |
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| 02:19.02 | maher | gog: i found the people in #xen very helpful |
| 02:19.14 | maher | gog: possibly it was $xen on oftc |
| 02:19.28 | gog | I'll ask them, thanks |
| 02:19.35 | maher | Stanlin: debian-multimedia or something |
| 02:19.43 | maher | Stanlin: does it work if you do it form console? |
| 02:19.44 | Sazpaimon | will mdadm automatically remove a degraded partition in an array? |
| 02:20.09 | Stanlin | maher: im just trying from the console, from gnome says "hibernation failed" |
| 02:20.15 | maher | Stanlin: i have a laptop which never restored properly with X running |
| 02:20.42 | gog | when I wake my desktop up from suspend xsane appears |
| 02:20.42 | maher | Stanlin: basically when i bought a new laptop i made sure i got one that was known to work |
| 02:20.44 | gog | for some reason |
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| 02:21.15 | gog | not sure if it's because I have a scanner plugged in |
| 02:21.37 | paulfitzpatrick | hey guys, I am unable to reach http://www.debian-multimedia.org which I place in my sources.list |
| 02:21.56 | Stanlin | maher: its a brand new laptop... Acer 6935G |
| 02:22.00 | paulfitzpatrick | I think it's due to a DNS issue on the server. How can I make the server forward to opendens? |
| 02:22.11 | paulfitzpatrick | opendns* |
| 02:22.32 | maher | Stanlin: look for reports of people using the exact same laptop |
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| 02:22.48 | Stanlin | maher: did, nobody seems to be using debian on this laptop |
| 02:23.05 | maher | Stanlin: well - good luck debuging! |
| 02:23.19 | Stanlin | lol |
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| 02:25.53 | Zarathust | apt-get -V returns "This APT has Super Cow Powers." |
| 02:25.56 | feld | paulfitzpatrick: paste your sources.list first |
| 02:26.27 | jetscreamer | Zarathust: apt-get moo |
| 02:26.34 | jetscreamer | !apt-get moo |
| 02:26.34 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
| 02:26.42 | Zarathust | lol |
| 02:26.55 | jetscreamer | apt-get moo in console |
| 02:27.22 | Zarathust | how can i list installed packages and version numbers? |
| 02:27.43 | maher | Zarathust: dpkg -l |
| 02:27.44 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l or -L i forget which |
| 02:27.44 | dpkg | ii or -L i forget which 3.2-15.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 02:27.47 | thirdwheel_ | isn't there a command you can do that to, that says "no easter egg here" until you add more and more o's and it finally gives in? |
| 02:28.28 | paulfitzpatrick | my sources - http://pastebin.ca/1400460 |
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| 02:28.49 | paulfitzpatrick | the server refuses to resolve debian-multimedia |
| 02:29.40 | jetscreamer | i don't know that it has a deb-src |
| 02:29.50 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 02:30.18 | jetscreamer | works just fine here (no -src) |
| 02:30.23 | jetscreamer | try commenting it out |
| 02:31.25 | jetscreamer | btw you can delete those cdrom entries it won't let you use them again, you have to run apt-cdrom to get a new one, even if it's the exact same cd |
| 02:31.30 | maher | paulfitzpatrick: what does dig debian-multimedia.org say? |
| 02:31.45 | paulfitzpatrick | I'm onto a fix, thanks guys :) |
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| 02:32.08 | mib_iptfgrzj | hey guys |
| 02:32.16 | mib_iptfgrzj | how can I get pulseaudio working? |
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| 02:32.40 | mib_iptfgrzj | I run pulseaudio -D but it said daemon startup failed |
| 02:34.25 | jpinx-eeepc | I have no swap but I have 2 GB RAM. Over the last 2 days since booting the RAM usage has gradually crept up (according to top) from an initial 500MBs with all my usual application loaded, to 1.9MBs now, leaving little space. Will it sort itself out, or will I have to do something? |
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| 02:36.47 | thirdwheel_ | found it... it was aptitude |
| 02:39.14 | thirdwheel_ | which also has a game of minesweeper... tried it in Ubuntu and it aborted |
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| 02:40.52 | mib_iptfgrzj | i need help with getting pulseaudio to work |
| 02:40.57 | mib_iptfgrzj | :( |
| 02:41.42 | stdisease | mib_iptfgrzj, how is it not working? |
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| 02:42.04 | mib_iptfgrzj | well |
| 02:42.11 | mib_iptfgrzj | i ran pulseaudio -D |
| 02:42.20 | mib_iptfgrzj | but it said daemon startup failed |
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| 02:43.01 | stdisease | mib_iptfgrzj, and I suppose you have an exclusive need for PA as opposed to for example using alsa instead? |
| 02:43.48 | mib_iptfgrzj | but if I use alsa |
| 02:44.06 | mib_iptfgrzj | can I open music from 2 apps at the same time? |
| 02:44.07 | stdisease | mib_iptfgrzj, well try starting the daemon manually and make it verbose and post the output somewhere |
| 02:45.36 | mib_iptfgrzj | hmm |
| 02:45.53 | mib_iptfgrzj | so you means I should put a script to start pulseaudio in /etc/init.d |
| 02:45.59 | stdisease | mib_iptfgrzj, oh multiple apps, you will, I know I can |
| 02:46.37 | mib_iptfgrzj | really |
| 02:46.57 | mib_iptfgrzj | I thought I need either esound or pulseaudio to do that |
| 02:47.36 | stdisease | mib_iptfgrzj, like I mean type in a terminal /usr/bin/pulseaudio --verbose and pastebin the output |
| 02:48.02 | stdisease | (check about --verbose it maybe called something else like -V or -v, I don't have it installed, see the manpage) |
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| 02:49.17 | stdisease | mib_iptfgrzj, you may also need to pass a custom --log-target=<target> in case target defaults to syslog |
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| 02:50.14 | mib_iptfgrzj | here is the output |
| 02:50.15 | mib_iptfgrzj | http://pastebin.com/m1c60d1c0 |
| 02:51.06 | stdisease | hmm, looks like you add to add yourself to the groupo pulse-rt |
| 02:51.23 | stdisease | but thats not why it failed |
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| 02:51.56 | mib_iptfgrzj | i think i might it realtime later in the future |
| 02:52.01 | stdisease | looks like you have an incomplete install, the missing .so file |
| 02:52.23 | stdisease | try looking for and installing all the PA related packages |
| 02:52.31 | stdisease | all/the most obvious |
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| 02:53.37 | mib_iptfgrzj | i followed the how-to in debian forum |
| 02:55.05 | stdisease | mib_iptfgrzj, I'm not familiar with the howto, there's a bunch of pulseaudio-module-* packages, 'apt-cache search pulseaudio' to see them |
| 02:55.18 | stdisease | maybe one of them will have the missing .so |
| 02:57.15 | mib_iptfgrzj | alright |
| 02:57.18 | mib_iptfgrzj | thanks a lot |
| 02:57.31 | stdisease | yw take it easy |
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| 03:07.04 | paulfitzpatrick | I'm having some issues with aptitude, when I attempt to install things I get a lot of missing dependencies and it all leads back to this: |
| 03:07.08 | paulfitzpatrick | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9 is installed |
| 03:07.18 | paulfitzpatrick | libc6, which I cannot upgrade |
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| 03:12.14 | paulfitzpatrick | http://pastebin.ca/1400496 apparently it's a common issue? |
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| 03:13.29 | Stanlin | help! |
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| 03:15.51 | stdisease | paulfitzpatrick, have you tried aptitude full-upgrade or, apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 03:15.59 | stdisease | Stanlin, ? |
| 03:16.01 | Wyzard | paulfitzpatrick: sounds like you're trying to install lenny packages on etch |
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| 03:16.41 | Stanlin | stdisease: hibernation fails, |
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| 03:17.35 | jpinx-eeepc | paulfitzpatrick: are you half-way through an upgrade or something? |
| 03:18.18 | stdisease | Stanlin, why does it fail what error messages do you get? do you have enough swap space? Do you have hibernation compiled into your kernel? |
| 03:18.37 | f00li5h | ls |
| 03:18.39 | f00li5h | -_- |
| 03:18.52 | f00li5h | how would I go about finding out the kind of memory my box runs? |
| 03:19.10 | Stanlin | stdisease: its debian 5 lenny, errors are that "hibernation failed" , i have 12 gb swap |
| 03:19.23 | stdisease | f00li5h, you probably need to install 3rd party software.. hmm |
| 03:19.41 | f00li5h | that's pesky |
| 03:19.48 | f00li5h | can't even find out the bus type or anything? |
| 03:19.56 | Stanlin | stdisease: http://pastebin.com/m24155893 |
| 03:20.34 | stdisease | f00li5h, Stanlin, try lshw or lshw-gtk |
| 03:20.41 | stdisease | err not Stanlin |
| 03:21.31 | stdisease | Stanlin, it says modules failed to unload, nvidia to be specific |
| 03:21.39 | stdisease | did you follow the suggest and pass --force ? |
| 03:21.40 | f00li5h | paws at apt-cache |
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| 03:22.40 | Stanlin | stdisease: when i do: hibernation --force, it hibernates, but when i turn on the laptop doesnt boot anymore.... i need to take off the battery physically in order to boot again |
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| 03:23.18 | stdisease | Stanlin, jeez, probably the nvidia module causing it |
| 03:23.28 | stdisease | Stanlin, update nvidia |
| 03:23.34 | stdisease | use the beta |
| 03:24.03 | stdisease | boot without nvidia support and try to hibernate just to be sure |
| 03:24.26 | stdisease | if it turns out their driver's fault, send them a bug report |
| 03:24.33 | Stanlin | stdisease: im using the latest nvidia driver in the universe |
| 03:24.49 | Stanlin | stdisease: ok ill try without nvidia |
| 03:24.56 | stdisease | Stanlin, ok |
| 03:24.59 | Stanlin | thinks how to disable nvidia... |
| 03:25.21 | stdisease | mv /lib/modules/..../nvidia.ko{,.old} |
| 03:26.42 | Stanlin | stdisease: ived mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.nvidia and restored the original |
| 03:27.25 | Wyzard | stdisease: You can't unload the nvidia module if xorg is running with the nvidia driver |
| 03:27.41 | Wyzard | stdisease: but you should be able to unload it if you stop X |
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| 03:29.41 | deadbeef | hello guys excuseme, one question: i noticed that after a recent upgrade i had problems with my init scripts; i started debugging, and found that i'm missing the start_daemon command |
| 03:29.50 | deadbeef | how could i install it? |
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| 03:29.56 | stdisease | f00li5h, lshw isn't returning accurate data about my RAM but it may work for you |
| 03:30.08 | stdisease | if not lshw then some other similar app |
| 03:30.17 | f00li5h | i see |
| 03:30.55 | f00li5h | it's an old box, it's likely to be right |
| 03:31.20 | deadbeef | looks like this sucky debian squeeze got problems with lsb-base |
| 03:31.55 | stdisease | deadbeef, what kinda problems? |
| 03:32.06 | mosno | deadbeef: sucky? you're using alpha software there.. |
| 03:32.20 | deadbeef | stdisease: daemons just don't start |
| 03:32.30 | deadbeef | i get the corresponding log message, like "Starting GDM.." |
| 03:32.43 | Wyzard | deadbeef: If you mean /sbin/start-stop-daemon, it's in the "dpkg" package |
| 03:32.43 | deadbeef | but then i don't get [OK] and [FAIL] neither |
| 03:32.56 | stdisease | lsb-base coexisting fine with my not so sucky sid |
| 03:33.03 | deadbeef | Wyzard: no start-stop-daemon is still there |
| 03:33.21 | Wyzard | oh, you're talking about a shell function |
| 03:33.22 | deadbeef | but looks like start_daemon is a function in /lib/lsb/init-functions |
| 03:33.26 | deadbeef | yep |
| 03:33.28 | Wyzard | well, I'm running sid too and haven't seen any problems |
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| 03:34.22 | deadbeef | Wyzard: could you put your init-functions online pls? |
| 03:34.26 | deadbeef | so i can compare it with mine |
| 03:35.22 | tac_ | hi all, I 've got a famous "waiting for root file system ..." hang during my booting up to lenny |
| 03:35.31 | tac_ | someone gives me a light ? :) |
| 03:35.49 | Wyzard | deadbeef: http://paste.debian.net/34180/ |
| 03:35.55 | deadbeef | thanks a lot |
| 03:36.56 | Zarathust | the manual tells me that there is a useful package at http://packages.debian.org/wpasupplicant |
| 03:36.59 | Wyzard | deadbeef: from lsb-base 3.2-22 in sid |
| 03:37.10 | Zarathust | how do i use aptitude to install it |
| 03:37.23 | Wyzard | Zarathust: aptitude install wpasupplicant |
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| 03:38.10 | Zarathust | its says that it cannot find the package |
| 03:38.15 | deadbeef | lol looks the init script is failing on /sbin/splashy_update |
| 03:38.21 | Zarathust | usually i add stuff to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:38.21 | deadbeef | i just straced it |
| 03:38.25 | deadbeef | how gay |
| 03:39.02 | deadbeef | it wasn't lsb-base :( |
| 03:39.30 | deadbeef | thanks a lot anyway Wyzard |
| 03:39.37 | Wyzard | !tell deadbeef about gay |
| 03:40.02 | Wyzard | has never used splashy |
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| 03:40.32 | Zarathust | how to i get the correct repository location from http://packages.debian.org/wpasupplicant |
| 03:40.47 | stdisease | I recently used splashy and it isn't all that good, it flickers |
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| 03:41.22 | Wyzard | Zarathust: If you just want to install it with aptitude, you don't need to figure out a repository location |
| 03:41.26 | Stanlin | HELP! |
| 03:42.01 | Wyzard | Zarathust: aptitude will know where to look based on the package list from the repository |
| 03:42.11 | Stanlin | stdisease: didnt work with the normal VGA :( crashed the same |
| 03:43.41 | Zarathust | ok but it keeps telling me that it doesn't find the package |
| 03:44.00 | stdisease | Stanlin, hmm, what could be the cause then |
| 03:44.04 | stdisease | Stanlin, kernel version? |
| 03:44.18 | Stanlin | stdisease: dunno... happens the same with ubuntu |
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| 03:49.07 | Stanlin | seriously i need help |
| 03:50.56 | Wyzard | Zarathust: Run "aptitude update" and try again |
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| 03:54.20 | Stanlin | i guess i give up.... returning to Vista :( |
| 03:54.43 | stdisease | Stanlin, idk dude maybe compile the kernel and customize PM options |
| 03:54.56 | stdisease | or return to Vista as you said |
| 03:55.10 | Stanlin | wth i hate vista... |
| 03:55.19 | stdisease | XP then |
| 03:55.26 | Stanlin | but yeah... everything works fine in vista |
| 03:55.49 | stdisease | I haven't used Vista yet :) |
| 03:55.51 | Stanlin | so i guess, ill install debian over vista |
| 03:56.08 | Stanlin | bloody laptops now comes with OEM vista ultimate... |
| 03:56.28 | stdisease | I suggest you keep it for the moment in case you screw something up in your deb install |
| 03:57.00 | stdisease | unless you have disks to reinstall or rescue or smthn |
| 03:57.22 | Stanlin | i really got no time for troubleshooting.... i just need to develop and write code all the time... |
| 03:57.30 | Stanlin | yeah, i have rescue disks |
| 03:57.41 | Stanlin | inserts disk 1 |
| 03:57.44 | Stanlin | brb... |
| 03:57.46 | Rusty1 | perhaps try a few live cd distros , see if they work, if they do go from there |
| 03:58.02 | Stanlin | im a debian guy.. with the wrong laptop lol |
| 03:58.11 | Stanlin | i couldnt resist the specs :) |
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| 04:01.37 | mick_laptop | anyone know what could cause a monitor to turn off after a little bit? i have power management turned off for the display, yet every few minutes it turns off for 1-3 seconds |
| 04:02.11 | mns | mick_laptop: screensaver ? |
| 04:02.26 | mick_laptop | nope |
| 04:02.29 | mick_laptop | none |
| 04:02.50 | daniiel | laptop ? |
| 04:02.59 | mick_laptop | nope, desktop w/ LCD |
| 04:03.19 | daniiel | lcd have power options ? |
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| 04:04.36 | mick_laptop | ok, i just did an LCD "reset" - i'll see if that does anything |
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| 04:09.05 | mick_laptop | happened again |
| 04:09.26 | mick_laptop | seems to happen every 5 minutes |
| 04:09.51 | stdisease | if xscreensaver daemon is running it will keep happening |
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| 04:10.42 | mick_laptop | happened again, and it isn't running |
| 04:11.04 | mick_laptop | so it isn't every 5 minutes, it seems to be random |
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| 04:13.17 | mick_laptop | i'm not sure how i can code like this :-/ |
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| 04:14.40 | stdisease | mick_laptop, could be a hardware problem, loose plug or smthn? |
| 04:14.56 | mick_laptop | smthn? |
| 04:15.17 | Supaplex | aaotd! er abbreviations are of the devil! |
| 04:15.26 | Supaplex | ;) I think he meant "something" |
| 04:16.20 | mick_laptop | ok, i tightened the vga connection |
| 04:16.26 | mick_laptop | crosses fingers |
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| 04:20.23 | mick_laptop | damn, still happening |
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| 04:28.33 | SuperMigue | Hello everyone =) i just installed debian 5 64bit in my xps1530 which has an nvidia 8600GT card in it. I purchased a dell 24" monitor i would like to extend my image whats do i need to do to acomplish this? |
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| 04:34.34 | rizet | what's the best app for backing up debian? - mondo doesn't work with lenny unfortunately |
| 04:35.13 | sakuramboo | im trying to install lenny with raid1 on two hard drives, in the partitioner, both devices show up, i have two partitions equal in size, both selected for raid, but when i try to configure raid, only sda shows up, sdb isnt there |
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| 04:35.41 | rizet | raid it's not for me, prefer something elese |
| 04:35.54 | rizet | have you tried acronis for linux? |
| 04:36.03 | sakuramboo | no |
| 04:36.43 | rizet | do you know of anything good besides raid? |
| 04:36.47 | SuperMigue | Hello everyone =) i just installed debian 5 64bit in my xps1530 which has an nvidia 8600GT card in it. I purchased a dell 24" monitor i would like to extend my image whats do i need to do to acomplish this? |
| 04:37.38 | rizet | SuperMigue, nVidia drivers and compiling them with your kernel |
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| 04:38.59 | Wyzard | If you're using lenny, you should be able to use the precompiled nvidia-kernel modules; no need to compile your own |
| 04:39.24 | SuperMigue | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common module-assistant? |
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| 04:39.39 | rizet | supermigue, yes |
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| 04:39.50 | rizet | it's almost automatic |
| 04:39.56 | Wyzard | You shouldn't need module-assistant |
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| 04:40.07 | Wyzard | Stable releases have precompiled nvidia-kernel modules for the stock kernels |
| 04:40.16 | Wyzard | nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) |
| 04:40.28 | rizet | Wyzard, i had to compile mine |
| 04:40.48 | Wyzard | rizet: Are you running lenny and using a stock Debian kernel? |
| 04:41.04 | rizet | Wyzard, yes |
| 04:41.14 | Wyzard | then you shouldn't need to do that |
| 04:41.42 | Wyzard | Install the nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 package -- that's a metapackage, analogous to linux-image-2.6-amd64, that'll pull in the current modules for the current kernel |
| 04:41.43 | rizet | the monitors (i had two) didn't work |
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| 04:42.17 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, so what do i do... i just installed debian lenny 64 bit |
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| 04:42.35 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: Check that you have the linux-image-2.6-amd64 package installed (you probably do) |
| 04:42.49 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: and then install nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 and nvidia-glx |
| 04:42.53 | rizet | Wyzard, maybe because I chose not the generic kernel |
| 04:42.53 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, how do i check that |
| 04:43.09 | Wyzard | rizet: What kernel flavor did you use? |
| 04:43.23 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: dpkg -s linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 04:43.33 | rizet | 2.26.1 amd64 |
| 04:43.53 | Wyzard | rizet: I mean, what kernel package? |
| 04:43.59 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, it says installed |
| 04:44.40 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, so now do apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64; apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 04:44.44 | rizet | i had two options to choose from when setting up Debian Lenny on my machine: i chose not to install the generic kernel |
| 04:45.06 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: You can pass both to a single apt-get install command, but yes, that'd work |
| 04:46.06 | rizet | probably that's why I didn't have a module for my monitors |
| 04:46.14 | Wyzard | rizet: I'm not familiar with those two options, so you'll have to enlighten me |
| 04:46.25 | Wyzard | If there's an option to "not install the generic kernel", what kernel *does* it install? |
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| 04:46.38 | rizet | you'll do the install once again and you'll know it |
| 04:46.43 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, i cant install nvidia-glx it needs nvidia-kernel-180.44 |
| 04:47.05 | sakuramboo | okay, total bug in the installer |
| 04:47.06 | Wyzard | rizet: I'm not going to go install lenny right now just to help you resolve a question about installing nvidia-kernel |
| 04:47.12 | Wyzard | rizet: What does "uname -r" say when you run it? |
| 04:47.20 | rizet | Wyzard, i was kidding |
| 04:47.34 | rizet | mine 2.26.1 amd64 |
| 04:47.50 | SuperMigue | 2.6.26-2-amd634 |
| 04:47.53 | sakuramboo | turned out, the first time going through the raid setup, it only displayed one device, after deleting the md and going through the steps again, the second device became listed and all is okay |
| 04:47.54 | SuperMigue | 2.6.26-2-amd64* |
| 04:48.00 | rizet | but when setting up they may install all the generic modules and i didn't want it |
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| 04:48.56 | rizet | anyway, one way or the other it's not that hard to install it |
| 04:49.02 | jojo_ | hola a todos |
| 04:49.03 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: did you add a sid line to your sources.list or something? |
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| 04:49.16 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: version 180.44 of the nvidia-glx package is only in sid |
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| 04:49.33 | Wyzard | rizet: "2.6.26.1 amd64" is not what "uname -r" prints |
| 04:49.34 | rizet | but must say Debian rocks, I wish I had switched a way back |
| 04:49.49 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, i did but i removed it now it says nvidia-glx has no installation candidate |
| 04:50.02 | Wyzard | rizet: for a Debian kernel it should be something like "2.6.26-2-amd64" |
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| 04:50.08 | jojo_ | accedo a un servidor inux atraves de putty y deseo que al dejar haciendo una tarea desde el putty, se siga realizando esa tarea que deje haciendo a pesar de que salga de mi sesion de putty |
| 04:50.20 | rizet | it's 2.2.26-1-686 |
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| 04:50.32 | SuperMigue | jojo_, pon el comando y al final pon & |
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| 04:50.45 | rizet | it's 2.6.26-1-868 |
| 04:50.46 | _air | what's good irc client with proxy support? |
| 04:50.49 | _air | except xchat |
| 04:50.56 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: You need to add non-free (and contrib while you're at it) to the lenny source line in your sources.list |
| 04:51.12 | SuperMigue | whats the non free source |
| 04:51.17 | rizet | wyzard, after the upgrade, correct |
| 04:51.18 | SuperMigue | can u link it to me please |
| 04:51.20 | Wyzard | rizet: 2.6.26-1 has been superseded by 2.6.26-2 in lenny, so the 2.6.26-1 precompiled module packages might not be available anymore |
| 04:51.47 | Wyzard | rizet: Upgrade to 2.6.26-2 and then you should be able to use the nvidia-kernel packages |
| 04:51.49 | stdisease | SunnyDP, just like the free and contrib line but non-free instead |
| 04:51.55 | stdisease | you can put them all on the same line I think |
| 04:52.02 | rizet | Wyzard, i'm still running 2.6.26-1 |
| 04:52.10 | _air | guuys |
| 04:52.13 | SunnyDP | stdisease: what? |
| 04:52.20 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: For each line that ends in "lenny main" or "stable main", add "contrib non-free" after "main" at the end of the line |
| 04:52.20 | _air | does anyone know good irc client with proxy support? |
| 04:52.42 | rizet | Wyzard, but the cds have 2.6.26-1 |
| 04:53.12 | stdisease | SunnyDP, sorry, I meant Superbartt |
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| 04:53.16 | Wyzard | rizet: and the security updates repository has 2.6.26-2 |
| 04:53.18 | stdisease | omg!!!! |
| 04:53.21 | stdisease | SuperMigue |
| 04:53.39 | Wyzard | rizet: anyway, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686 is the package that you'd use with 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 04:53.44 | Superbartt | huh what? |
| 04:53.52 | Wyzard | It does still exist in the repository, apparently |
| 04:54.28 | rizet | Wyzard, when I upgraded to 2.6.26-2 i had to recompile the kernel and I was too lazy to do that, so i left it like it was |
| 04:54.37 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, do i delete the originals?? |
| 04:54.49 | stdisease | Superbartt, nothing just nick completion showing us it's evil face |
| 04:54.53 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, i mean i keep both of them? or only one with the non free at the end |
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| 04:54.57 | stdisease | its* |
| 04:54.57 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: no, *add* "contrib non-free" *after* "main" |
| 04:55.04 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: You're not adding or removing any lines |
| 04:55.07 | Superbartt | stdisease or a luser not able to use it ? :P |
| 04:55.20 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: You're adding two words to the end of some existing lines |
| 04:55.40 | Wyzard | rizet: The whole point of what I've been telling you is that you don't need to recompile anything |
| 04:55.50 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, k glx installing |
| 04:56.02 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, installed now what do i do? |
| 04:56.04 | Wyzard | rizet: You install Debian's precompiled linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 kernel, and Debian's precompiled nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 modules to go with it |
| 04:56.09 | jojo_ | SuperMigue, |
| 04:56.15 | jojo_ | SuperMigue, gracias |
| 04:56.20 | SuperMigue | jojo_, dimelo =) de nada |
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| 04:56.52 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: now you configure xorg to use the "nvidia" driver instead of the "nv" one |
| 04:57.02 | rizet | Wyzard, I got it, though tell me if I download a cd from debian.org will it be with the new kernel 2.6.26-2? |
| 04:57.22 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: In the past that was done by running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", but I think that's deprecated in lenny |
| 04:57.33 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? or go manually and configure> |
| 04:57.39 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: Take a look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if you can find a line that says Driver "nv" |
| 04:58.12 | Wyzard | rizet: currently, no, but at some point there'll be a new set of CD images released (5.0r1) and those should have 2.6.26-2 on them |
| 04:58.25 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, k and change it to nvidia and add Option "TwinView" |
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| 04:58.33 | jojo_ | Supermingue tienes alguna pagina para recomendarme |
| 04:58.39 | Wyzard | rizet: The 5.0r0 CDs have 2.6.26-1, and 2.6.26-2 comes from online updates |
| 04:58.53 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: Something to that effect, but I don't know much about configuring TwinView so I can't help you with that part |
| 04:58.59 | rizet | Wyzard, ok so, now i got it correctly |
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| 05:00.18 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, my xorg.conf is really small =( http://pastebin.ca/1400601 |
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| 05:01.16 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: I'm not sure why even that stuff is there, actually... xorg should work without it |
| 05:01.36 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: On my laptop I have no xorg.conf at all, and on my desktop I have just a very small one that says to use the "nvidia" driver instead of (the default) "nv" |
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| 05:02.21 | SuperMigue | can i run the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and see if works? |
| 05:02.24 | Wyzard | (I'm running sid, but I've been configured that way for quite awhile, so it's not some new post-lenny-thing) |
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| 05:03.29 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: no, add this to the file: http://pastebin.ca/1400604 |
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| 05:04.56 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: and either comment out all the other stuff, or add Device "Video Device" to the existing Screen section |
| 05:04.57 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: That should get xorg to use the nvidia driver |
| 05:05.03 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: Check that that works, and then you can add TwinView stuff to the Device section (but I can't help with that part) |
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| 05:05.39 | shaleh | preferences for sub - thousand dollar laptops that ship with Linux pre-installed? I am not opposed to a netbook but I already bought an acer and it did not last 3 months |
| 05:06.07 | shaleh | the linux pre-install is to support the linux marketplace and not pay for an os I am not going to use (mac or windows) |
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| 05:08.06 | mischief6 | shaleh, should have gotten an eee. |
| 05:08.26 | shaleh | they looked like a kids toy (-: |
| 05:08.50 | shaleh | my acer is physically sounds but the ssd already reports errors |
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| 05:08.59 | shaleh | even after my tweaking to avoid writes |
| 05:09.06 | shaleh | and the disk is hard to find a replacement for |
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| 05:09.52 | shaleh | has anyone heard good things about the HP mini? |
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| 05:10.42 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, i think i got it i added Option "RenderAccel" "true", Option "TwinView", Option "TwinViewOrientation" "LeftOf" |
| 05:11.50 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: I used to use RenderAccel, but stopped because it had some bugs that caused display artifacts |
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| 05:12.20 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: (I don't remember the details, though, and it may have been fixed by now, but I've never noticed any problems from not using it) |
| 05:13.27 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, do u know of any way to check the resolution on each monitor?? |
| 05:13.46 | stdisease | xrandr? |
| 05:13.58 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: xrandr or look at xorg.log |
| 05:14.19 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: The driver should autodetect the LCD's native resolution and use it automatically |
| 05:14.38 | SuperMigue | ya but is there a way to know the specific numbers being use |
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| 05:15.41 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, xrandr gives me 3360x1080 ummm |
| 05:15.52 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, defenelly not |
| 05:16.18 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: That's the size of the two screens combined |
| 05:16.36 | stdisease | use --screen or --output with it |
| 05:16.49 | stdisease | maybe heh |
| 05:17.27 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: which isn't surprising since TwinView dues dual-monitor in the video driver, so xorg sees what it thinks is a 3360x1080 monitor, but it's really a virtual monitor simulated by the nvidia driver |
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| 05:18.37 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: I think TwinView provides information about the division between the two screens via Xinerama, but I don't know whether xrandr can display that information (I don't know much about Xinerama) |
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| 05:18.57 | Wyzard | SuperMigue: Your best bet would be to look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for messages from the nvidia driver |
| 05:19.33 | SuperMigue | Wyzard, illl try that |
| 05:19.48 | SuperMigue | Also does any one if virtual support a 64 bit os?? |
| 05:20.08 | Wyzard | I don't understand that sentence |
| 05:20.26 | SuperMigue | any one know if virtual box supports 64 bit os |
| 05:20.43 | Wyzard | probably |
| 05:20.45 | Wyzard | I know VMware does |
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| 05:23.21 | tac_ | hi all, I 've got a famous "waiting for root file system ..." hang during my booting up to lenny |
| 05:23.24 | tac_ | someone gives me a light ? :) |
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| 05:27.24 | nkuttler | !tell tac_ about waiting for the root filesystem |
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| 05:28.23 | anoHito | hi guys, i have a question please. |
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| 05:28.40 | anoHito | i run netstat -an -t tcp | grep ":80" | sort | more , i get dozens of IPs |
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| 05:29.17 | anoHito | strange is , there are too many which are the same one ,plus that the remote port numbers are continued ,they are all states as TIME WAIT |
| 05:29.20 | anoHito | what does that mean ? |
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| 05:29.30 | anoHito | does that mean that IP is trying to ddos or what ? |
| 05:29.42 | tac_ | nkuttler: good, but I am not using those symbols, I edit my menu.lst and fstab to use uuid to indicate the disk .. It still happens |
| 05:30.11 | tac_ | nkuttler: Is there a way to know what really happened at booting up , for example , log file ? |
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| 05:30.43 | Wyzard | anoHito: TIME_WAIT is a delay after a TCP connection is closed, before that port can be used again for another connection |
| 05:31.14 | Wyzard | anoHito: It means that IP has opened and closed several connections recently |
| 05:31.16 | nkuttler | tac_: um, maybe you can turn on some kernel debugging to serial port. not much you can do otherwise without / |
| 05:31.34 | nkuttler | tac_: i'd try the grub command line and a kernel that's known to work |
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| 05:32.10 | hulo | hello. is there any way i can get kernel 2.6.30 in debian sid? |
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| 05:32.22 | anoHito | Wyzard, it looks like this,for example the remote ip is 1.2.3.4 ,it tries to connect to my server on port 80, strange is, netstat shows a dozens list of that same IP and the remote port number is continued. |
| 05:32.28 | hulo | i still want to use the same packaging system (ie update-grub, make init image etc) |
| 05:32.33 | Wyzard | anoHito: actually, it looks like TIME_WAIT is used on the client side, not necessarily on the server side |
| 05:32.35 | gaintsura | how can I get at least kernel 2.6.28*-686? |
| 05:32.49 | Wyzard | anoHito: so it could also mean that your computer has opened and then closed several connections *to* that IP recently |
| 05:32.52 | anoHito | 1.2.3.4:1720 1.2.3.4:1721 1.2.3.4:1722 1.2.3.4:1723 .... and so on. |
| 05:32.59 | nkuttler | hulo: 2.6.30 isn't even released yet |
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| 05:33.17 | gaintsura | !kerenl |
| 05:33.19 | gaintsura | !kernel |
| 05:33.21 | gaintsura | yar |
| 05:33.21 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.29.1, prepatch: 2.6.30-rc3, 2.4: 2.4.37.1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1 |
| 05:33.23 | anoHito | Wyzard, it could also means it is ddos ? |
| 05:33.31 | anoHito | Wyzard, beczause my server has been suffering on high load |
| 05:33.36 | Wyzard | hulo: 2.6.30 hasn't been released yet... you could download the -rc and compile it yourself, but unreleased kernels are not packaged in Debian |
| 05:33.37 | nkuttler | hulo: /msg dpkg kp |
| 05:33.42 | anoHito | Wyzard, the load avg. can boom up to 500 |
| 05:34.12 | Wyzard | anoHito: The first 'D' in "DDOS" stands for "distributed" -- many hosts |
| 05:34.18 | Wyzard | Multiple connections from one IP are not a DDOS |
| 05:34.29 | hulo | Wyzard: i was just wondering if there were any tools that automated builds (sources .config, and builds modules correctly, creates initrd if defined etc) |
| 05:34.33 | anoHito | Wyzard, even the conitured remote port numbers ? |
| 05:34.53 | hulo | Wyzard: gentoo has genkernel.. not sure what the debian alternative is |
| 05:34.59 | nkuttler | hulo: /msg dpkg kp |
| 05:34.59 | tac_ | nkuttler: the case is I first installed ubuntu on sda1 and then I net installed lenny on sda3, sda2 is used as a swap, does this give you any ideas ? |
| 05:35.04 | Wyzard | If it's tens of thousands of sockets in TIME_WAIT due to connections from that same IP, that could possibly be a DOS |
| 05:35.22 | anoHito | Wyzard, i see |
| 05:35.55 | anoHito | Wyzard, those sockets in TIME_wait from the same IP, the socket numbers are cotinued. |
| 05:36.13 | Wyzard | you mean the port numbers are different each time? |
| 05:36.17 | nkuttler | tac_: well, you grub points to one config file to begin with, that could create some confusion |
| 05:36.25 | anoHito | Wyzard, let me show you an example on pastebin |
| 05:36.27 | gaintsura | how can I get kernel 2.6.29.1? or where can I get it? |
| 05:36.43 | nkuttler | tac_: and ubuntu uses a different /dev scheme afaik |
| 05:36.54 | Wyzard | gaintsura: 2.6.29 is packaged in sid, or you can download official kernel sources from kernel.org and compile yourself |
| 05:37.09 | tac_ | nkuttler: sorry I didn't catch you |
| 05:37.12 | gaintsura | Wyzard: what about 2.6.28? |
| 05:37.38 | Wyzard | gaintsura: That might've been in sid at some point, but it isn't now |
| 05:37.46 | nkuttler | tac_: you should try the grub manual and use the command line to figure out which partitions etc grub knows about |
| 05:37.47 | gaintsura | nvm |
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| 05:38.03 | Wyzard | snapshot.debian.net would have it if it was packaged previously |
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| 05:39.22 | nkuttler | tac_: possibly add root= parameter to your kernels |
| 05:39.37 | tac_ | nkuttler: I could boot debian, but in half way, the error "waiting for root filesys" comes up, is this a problem with grub still ? I am a little confused. |
| 05:39.49 | tac_ | nkuttler: ok , I 'll try :) |
| 05:40.37 | nkuttler | tac_: that could be the fstab too i guess (?) |
| 05:42.35 | anoHito | Wyzard, are you still there ? |
| 05:42.38 | Wyzard | yes |
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| 05:43.00 | anoHito | Wyzard, http://pastebin.ca/1400635 ,expire in 5 minutes |
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| 05:43.19 | anoHito | Wyzard, that is an example, actually there are too many different IP are like that currently. |
| 05:44.21 | Wyzard | anoHito: That looks like lots of incoming connections from remote machines to a webserver on your machine |
| 05:44.50 | anoHito | Wyzard, yeah,did you notice the remote sockert number ? they are continued on one same IP |
| 05:45.28 | Wyzard | I don't see anything strange about the remote socket numbers; it's normal for clients to choose a random ephemeral port number when opening a TCP connection |
| 05:45.31 | anoHito | Wyzard, my server load avg is keeping in a high rate. |
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| 05:46.15 | Wyzard | I do notice that all those client IPs seem to be in China (or at least their reverse-DNS points to .cn domains) |
| 05:46.31 | anoHito | Wyzard, hmm, you mean even the Continuous port number for the remote IP is normal ? |
| 05:46.51 | Wyzard | yes, that's what you'd get if a client opens several connections in a row |
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| 05:47.01 | DavidProck1981 | what is the package to be able to use theNintendo Wii remote as a mouse for linux |
| 05:47.03 | anoHito | I see |
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| 05:47.16 | anoHito | Wyzard, Thank you . |
| 05:47.27 | anoHito | Wyzard, i mean, then i should not ban them |
| 05:47.42 | Wyzard | so the question is simply one of why computers in China are opening and then closing 20-30 TCP connections at a time to your server |
| 05:47.58 | thirdwheel_ | DavidProck1981, not sure... maybe if there's a linux version of GlovePie |
| 05:48.27 | anoHito | Wyzard, you mean the TIME WAIT means those IP actualy are trying to connect to my server on port 80 ? |
| 05:48.41 | Wyzard | That might be an attack, or it might be something as simple as you're serving pages with lots of images and the browser is opening multiple connections to load them in parallel |
| 05:48.52 | Wyzard | TIME_WAIT means a connection *was* opened, and then closed |
| 05:48.57 | anoHito | Wyzard, sometimes,they are more than 30 TCP from them from one same IP,very strange. |
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| 05:49.17 | Wyzard | Anyway, look at your webserver logs to see what resources those clients are actually requesting |
| 05:49.22 | anoHito | but not established ? |
| 05:49.29 | anoHito | okay. |
| 05:49.38 | anoHito | maybe that is why the msyql is keep in busy. |
| 05:49.48 | Wyzard | TIME_WAIT is what you see after the connection is finished |
| 05:50.01 | Wyzard | was successfully established, maybe exchanged some data, and then was cleanly closed |
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| 05:50.08 | anoHito | even when there is only 400 connections on port 80 , the load avg can be higher than 5. |
| 05:50.35 | DavidProck1981 | thirdwheel: aptitude install python2.5-cwiid python-cwiid libcwiid1-dev libcwiid1 |
| 05:50.39 | anoHito | if the datacentre enables the firewall, can block many of those incoming connecting attemtions,but can not drop them all. |
| 05:50.55 | Wyzard | If the clients are all requesting computationally-intensive dynamic pages, that could bring your load average up |
| 05:51.17 | Wyzard | Like I said, look at your webserver logs to see what they're actually requesting |
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| 05:51.40 | anoHito | Wyzard, I see, Thanks. |
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| 05:54.57 | meder_ | anyone know how to not do a grep on files such as images, videos? |
| 05:55.07 | meder_ | so just ascii or whatever text files, not binary |
| 05:55.12 | meder_ | or anything but binary |
| 05:57.26 | sep | meder, hum. perhaps a simple one liner of find | file [test] grep ? |
| 05:57.41 | tenzind | if I point my sources.list to "testing" and keep on doing upgrades, when i testing becomes stable, my system has also already reached there (stable) right? |
| 05:57.48 | tenzind | when the* |
| 05:57.58 | Wyzard | meder: grep --binary-files=without-match |
| 05:58.43 | tac_ | nkuttler: it happens I didn't explicitly add root= after kernel in grub list |
| 05:58.45 | enouf | just search where binaries aren't present :-P |
| 05:58.59 | tac_ | nkuttler: now I can boot in, thanks |
| 05:59.07 | Wyzard | meder: which can be written more concisely as grep -I |
| 05:59.37 | enouf | or 2>&1 >/dev/null |
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| 06:00.10 | Wyzard | tenzind: If your sources.list says "testing", then when the next release occurs, you'll keep getting stuff from testing rather than staying with the new stable release |
| 06:00.40 | Wyzard | tenzind: If you instead put the release name ("squeeze") in your sources.list, you'll get squeeze updates all through its development and testing, and then stay with it when it becomes stable |
| 06:00.52 | tenzind | Wyzard, ok |
| 06:00.52 | enouf | meder_: you don't grep images, video .. you run file or a hexeditor or mplayer on them |
| 06:01.40 | Wyzard | tenzind: If you want to run testing now, I'd recommend using the release name so that you don't accidentally end up continuing to run testing after the next release without consciously deciding to do so |
| 06:02.42 | tenzind | Wyzard, does the same thing applies to Debian derivates like Ubuntu as well?? some people around me using Ubuntu are waiting eagerly for the new release.. they usually reinstall using the new release .. |
| 06:03.09 | enouf | meder_: find is great as inclusive/exclusive to further process results |
| 06:03.28 | Wyzard | tenzind: #ubuntu is the place to ask about Ubuntu, but in a nutshell, Ubuntu supports in-place upgrades much like Debian does |
| 06:03.38 | tenzind | i havent reinstalled ever since etch was "testing" :) |
| 06:03.41 | Wyzard | tenzind: As for their testing/development lifecycle, no idea; ask #ubuntu |
| 06:04.10 | enouf | tenzind: ubuntu is somewhat downstream debian and not supported here |
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| 06:04.42 | enouf | and .. they have their own rules/laws/policies |
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| 06:05.38 | enouf | and no, not i, nor most of us know nothing about the *buntus |
| 06:05.38 | tenzind | enouf, Wyzard : ok .. :) |
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| 06:06.33 | enouf | Wyzard: " Ubuntu supports in-place upgrades much like Debian does" .. er what? |
| 06:06.50 | enouf | no it doesn't - afaik |
| 06:06.51 | Wyzard | enouf: you can upgrade from one release to the next without having to reinstall |
| 06:07.01 | enouf | bull |
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| 06:07.25 | Wyzard | Their upgrade tool explicitly supports it, and I've done it successfully several times |
| 06:07.44 | enouf | since which version/release? |
| 06:08.02 | Wyzard | a few years ago |
| 06:08.10 | Wyzard | dunno exactly |
| 06:08.11 | enouf | they've never been a "rolling" distro |
| 06:08.36 | enouf | they've always forced releases every 6 months ..no matter how buggy |
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| 06:09.16 | Wyzard | I don't know what you mean about being a "rolling" distro, but yes, they release every 6 months |
| 06:09.22 | at0m | maybe ask in #ub@#$%ntu ;p |
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| 06:09.32 | Wyzard | and every 6 months you can upgrade your existing installation to the new version, just like you can do with Debian releases |
| 06:09.38 | enouf | rolling == upgradeable without reinstallation |
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| 06:10.30 | Wyzard | enouf: I won't debate it here since it's offtopic; see http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading |
| 06:10.39 | enouf | Wyzard: not from what i hear .. but .. i must say, i have no intimate details, since i never touched it |
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| 06:11.48 | enouf | Wyzard: so - one could "dist-upgrade" from say 6.06 -> 7.01 ? just asking |
| 06:12.04 | at0m | enouf, according to this, no: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18201/ |
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| 06:12.09 | Wyzard | from one release to the next, just like Debian |
| 06:12.12 | enouf | right at0m .. |
| 06:12.15 | at0m | that's from last februari |
| 06:12.17 | Wyzard | Whether it was supported that far back, I don't remember |
| 06:12.43 | at0m | also found forum topics there listing rolling distro's, ubuntu is _not_ in the list |
| 06:12.50 | enouf | Wyzard: "sleeves up" is a familiar mantra? ... ;-) |
| 06:13.00 | enouf | at0m: correct |
| 06:13.07 | Wyzard | That page's definition of "rolling release" differs from what you described |
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| 06:13.20 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 06:13.21 | at0m | been running testing for 5 years or so, and just been updating happily - most of the time =] |
| 06:13.52 | enouf | i just upgraded my sid install == 1399 new, 240 upgraded, 35 removed ... |
| 06:14.01 | Wyzard | Based on the request you linked to, I'd say Debian is not a "rolling release" system either |
| 06:14.23 | enouf | Wyzard: i did not read any urls .. sorry |
| 06:14.35 | Wyzard | nor Fedora or RHEL... the only "rolling release" distro I can think of is Gentoo |
| 06:14.45 | at0m | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-906539.html "List of rolling release distros" |
| 06:15.00 | enouf | 1119 upgraded, 248 newly installed, 31 to remove and 12 not upgraded. |
| 06:15.10 | enouf | whoops .. was off a hair ;-) |
| 06:15.19 | EmleyMoor | I've had a testing box for a while now - and will keep it at testing until its whole purpose works perfectly - when I will stabilise it at the next release and then merge it with another box |
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| 06:16.13 | at0m | enouf, right, have to watch the packages changes carefully, but that's why there's a human supervising the console too eh |
| 06:16.20 | enouf | Wyzard: to me "rolling" means; install once, upgrade as needed, no need to reinstall ... |
| 06:17.01 | enouf | at0m: i cannot believe i had no depends errors........ it was sweet and smooth now |
| 06:17.07 | at0m | :) |
| 06:17.32 | enouf | i can fix them .. but it's nice not to have to |
| 06:18.00 | Wyzard | enouf: based on what you linked, it sounds like "rolling" means new packages go into the "release" archive whenever they're ready, rather than the release staying basically unchanged for 12-18 months (aside from security fixes) and then everything changing all at once |
| 06:18.21 | Wyzard | enouf: like testing/unstable but less bleeding-edge |
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| 06:19.38 | enouf | at0m: i had a new {g}libc6 that kept fuckingup any new software install , i didn't want to restart my GUI session .. i finally gave in after a month or so ..but, i also killed all X and DE crap and did all the update/upgrade from Console ;-) as usual |
| 06:20.11 | enouf | Wyzard: i posted no URLs about "rolling" |
| 06:20.47 | Wyzard | enouf: oops, sorry, it was at0m who posted that link, not you (http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18201/) |
| 06:20.55 | enouf | no prob |
| 06:21.00 | whilo | hi |
| 06:21.23 | enouf | i like you Wyzard .. you are smart, and more importantly, very helpful |
| 06:21.34 | at0m | enouf, right, once in a while X has to be restarted (in my case, for reinstalling nvidia driver on kernel update). but that's not a reboot eh |
| 06:21.35 | Wyzard | enouf: anyway, neither Debian nor Ubuntu are "rolling release", but both Debian and Ubuntu support upgrades of existing installations when a release event occurs |
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| 06:21.46 | Wyzard | thanks :-) |
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| 06:22.08 | enouf | Debain is a rolling release according to my definition |
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| 06:22.24 | enouf | I started this system on Sarge |
| 06:22.26 | Wyzard | Your definition of "rolling" is incorrect IMO |
| 06:22.34 | Ploxx | is it possible to auto startx without xdm or gdm or any other x manager? |
| 06:22.35 | enouf | and have had no need to reinstall |
| 06:22.41 | at0m | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release |
| 06:22.46 | dondelelcaro | Ploxx: yes |
| 06:22.52 | enouf | Wyzard: what is yours? |
| 06:23.17 | enouf | Wyzard: i'm running recent Sid now ... |
| 06:23.21 | Wyzard | enouf: see at0m's wikipedia link -- that's exacty what I had in mind |
| 06:23.23 | at0m | The Debian Linux distribution has two rolling releases, known as "testing", and "unstable"; Stable isn't rolling |
| 06:23.29 | enouf | from a Sarge 2.4.27 installation |
| 06:23.33 | Wyzard | well, I'd say sid is rolling, but it isn't a release |
| 06:23.35 | enouf | ok |
| 06:23.44 | dondelelcaro | though unstable and testing aren't releases |
| 06:23.51 | at0m | enouf, so for us running testing/sid, it's rolling |
| 06:23.52 | dondelelcaro | they're suites |
| 06:23.54 | enouf | yes, it's NOT a release .. indeed |
| 06:23.56 | Ploxx | dondelelcaro: ok- any hints? ;-) |
| 06:23.58 | at0m | oh |
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| 06:24.32 | dondelelcaro | Ploxx: you can run startx from inittab. However, the reason why you shouldn't do that is because there's no authentication. |
| 06:24.35 | at0m | any of you updating that wiki? |
| 06:24.38 | Ploxx | i stuck my startx into .xinitrc and .bashrc, but i don't think the behavior is quite what i wante |
| 06:24.41 | enouf | hrm .. never thought of it from a Stable vs Testing/Unstable persoective |
| 06:25.02 | at0m | enouf, which gets "frozen"? :) |
| 06:25.04 | whilo | does anybody know when kde 4 is supposed to get into testing? due to the site it is blocked because kde3 apps and kde4 apps might both use the same $KDEHOME. now this might be the same issue until the last kde3 apps are gone... what is the approach to this issue and when is the move to testing roughly estimated to happen? |
| 06:25.24 | simonrvn | whilo: `kaboom` |
| 06:25.25 | enouf | Ploxx: startx from a ~/.xinitrc or and ~/.xsession file |
| 06:25.28 | Ploxx | dondelelcaro: ok, is there a recommended way? i basically want to startx right after i login. i was thinking of startx into the /etc/passwd file, but that seems like an ugly hack |
| 06:25.45 | dondelelcaro | Ploxx: then just run startx after you login. |
| 06:25.57 | enouf | at0m: i don't know, but my body heat would thaw a wooly mammoth ;-) |
| 06:26.10 | simonrvn | wonders what the big deal is with doing "startx &" |
| 06:26.11 | dondelelcaro | Ploxx: since you don't want it to always run on every shell (because that would be rather silly) you should just run the command |
| 06:26.14 | Ploxx | enouf: i tried that, but it creates issues when i start an xterm within my DE |
| 06:26.19 | whilo | simonrvn: well kaboom can still not fix a shared $KDEHOME between kde 3.* and 4.* |
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| 06:26.30 | enouf | Ploxx: wait .. DE? |
| 06:26.37 | at0m | dondelelcaro, Ploxx would the authentication matter much if you're using the machine in your private room? (ie. physical access providing the security) |
| 06:26.39 | Wyzard | Ploxx: Starting X automatically without using a display manager doesn't make much sense to me |
| 06:26.45 | Ploxx | dondelelcaro: yes, i currently type startx right after i login, but was wondering if there was an automated way |
| 06:26.49 | simonrvn | whilo: it ports it, nothing more. it's not meant as a compatibility tool per se. |
| 06:26.54 | Ploxx | enouf: i'm using fluxbox |
| 06:26.56 | Wyzard | Ploxx: If you want X to come up immediately without a display manager, there's no place to log in |
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| 06:26.59 | enouf | especially if a DE is installed Wyzard |
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| 06:27.21 | enouf | Ploxx: that's a WM, not a DE |
| 06:27.28 | dondelelcaro | Ploxx: if you can explain how the system should know when you're starting a shell whether it should start X or not, then it can be automated. |
| 06:27.31 | simonrvn | !wm |
| 06:27.31 | dpkg | i guess window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. To list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. To set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
| 06:27.43 | enouf | !xinitrc |
| 06:27.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession instead, ask me about <.xinitrc> for the reason. Also ask about <xsession>. |
| 06:27.48 | Ploxx | enouf: i stand corrected :-) |
| 06:27.48 | Wyzard | Ploxx: and if automatic login as a certain user is what you *want*, you can configure xdm/gdm/whatever to do that, rather than kluging something together manually |
| 06:27.50 | dondelelcaro | Ploxx: but I suspect that you'll find that you can't explain it, so it's not something that you can easily automate. |
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| 06:28.23 | Ploxx | Wyzard: ok, seems like i need xdm/gdm then.... :-S |
| 06:28.29 | enouf | Ploxx: as root; update-alternatives --config x-session-manager says? |
| 06:28.34 | enouf | use a pastebin |
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| 06:28.47 | Ploxx | dondelelcaro: i can't explain it? not sure i understand you. i can indeed explain the behavior i'm lokoing for |
| 06:28.50 | Ploxx | looking* |
| 06:28.50 | at0m | Does X login actually pose a problem if the machine is physically secure? ie. in a private office, as opposed to on university desk |
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| 06:29.14 | at0m | s/X login/automatic X login |
| 06:29.14 | enouf | Ploxx: as root; update-alternatives --config x-[TAB][TAB] can be useful |
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| 06:29.58 | enouf | at0m: you need to see what all the /etc/X11/* dirs/files are doing .. IMHO |
| 06:29.58 | at0m | thinking of remote "exploits" or access etc |
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| 06:30.17 | dondelelcaro | Ploxx: uh... I think you'll find that you can't, because you won't always want a login shell to run startx. |
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| 06:30.26 | enouf | at0m: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 06:30.31 | Ploxx | Wyzard: the reason i wanted to circumvent xdm/gdm was because i have a very old machine that barely runs debian ;-) |
| 06:30.35 | at0m | enouf, cheers |
| 06:30.47 | Wyzard | Ploxx: I think xdm is pretty lightweight |
| 06:31.02 | enouf | Ploxx: how old? i run p1s and p2s |
| 06:31.11 | dondelelcaro | (if you *do* always want a login shell to run startx, then ~/.bash_profile is your friend. |
| 06:31.39 | Ploxx | Wyzard: ok, since xdm has a small footprint, i'll explore that option |
| 06:31.54 | Ploxx | enouf: i'm running ppc g3 circa 1998 |
| 06:31.56 | Wyzard | note that startx is a security risk if you want to use a screensaver password to prevent people from using your machine while you're away |
| 06:32.05 | at0m | enouf, right, so disabling Xforwarding on the ssh server is enough to secure that |
| 06:32.11 | Wyzard | since there's always going to be a logged-in console session a keystroke away |
| 06:32.35 | enouf | at0m: well , unless someone uses xhost + |
| 06:32.55 | at0m | asks dpkg about xhost |
| 06:32.57 | enouf | at0m: -notcp is the default |
| 06:33.06 | at0m | oki.. |
| 06:33.10 | enouf | at0m: ps aux | grep vt7 |
| 06:33.28 | Ploxx | thanks for the brainstorming lads, i'm off to try xdm |
| 06:33.40 | at0m | -nolisten tcp :) |
| 06:33.40 | lillis | good luck |
| 06:33.46 | loafers | I installed debian base and installed openbox, configured the initrc, installed xorg server, xinit, xauth and am unable to open applications getting the error: GTK blah blah cannot display. Any suggestions? |
| 06:34.38 | lillis | Well, just a guess but maybe you need to do it the other way around |
| 06:34.42 | lillis | install X and then the window manager |
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| 06:34.57 | enouf | Ploxx: that's not OldWorld .. is it? |
| 06:35.22 | Wyzard | lillis: no, it doesn't matter whether the window manager or xorg were installed first |
| 06:35.46 | Wyzard | lillis: They don't actually depend on each other |
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| 06:36.03 | Wyzard | (though they do depend on some common libraries, which get installed as dependencies no matter which of the two you install first) |
| 06:36.07 | enouf | loafers: configure initrc? |
| 06:36.22 | lillis | Ah, thanks for that Wyzard. :) |
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| 06:36.29 | loafers | enouf, tried that. I had exec openbox-session |
| 06:36.39 | enouf | loafers: apt-get update ; apt-get install xorg |
| 06:37.05 | loafers | enouf, tried that also, but i think' i'll reinstall |
| 06:37.16 | loafers | how come debian doesn't resolve the dependencies? |
| 06:37.20 | enouf | loafers: then ... update-alternatives --config [tab][tab] |
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| 06:37.37 | loafers | enouf ok thanks for the suggestion |
| 06:37.44 | enouf | it does; "apt-get install -f" |
| 06:37.59 | loafers | what does the -f do ? |
| 06:38.09 | enouf | man apt-get ;-) |
| 06:38.21 | jaggz- | how do I see what packages depend on the current one? |
| 06:38.22 | enouf | --fix-broken |
| 06:38.37 | loafers | ok thanks |
| 06:38.42 | enouf | jaggz-: apt-cache depends pkgname |
| 06:39.19 | enouf | jaggz-: apt-cache show pkgname also show a Depends line |
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| 06:40.43 | jaggz- | what about the other direction -- displaying which packages depend on package name foo |
| 06:41.34 | enouf | jaggz-: apt-cache rdepends pkgname |
| 06:41.43 | jaggz- | cool, thanks enouf.. |
| 06:41.45 | jaggz- | how've you been? |
| 06:41.49 | enouf | jaggz-: and apt-rdepends |
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| 06:42.25 | jaggz- | I'm trying to see if I can do some wx widgets coding |
| 06:44.47 | enouf | ew .. wx was fugly |
| 06:44.50 | loafers | as a beginner should i worry about LVM? |
| 06:45.05 | enouf | well .. not really loafers |
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| 06:45.20 | enouf | !lvm |
| 06:45.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 06:45.59 | loafers | oh ok thanks enouf |
| 06:46.06 | jaggz- | rdepends for libwxgtk2.8-dev shows wx2.8-examples, so I thought if I installed wx2.8-examples it would also install the -dev package.. |
| 06:46.15 | enouf | loafers: how famaliar are you with disks and partition tables and MBR and boot sectors and boot managers? |
| 06:46.19 | hulo | hello. how do i make use of debian kernel packaging system makepkg - with outside sources ie linux 2.6.30-rc3? |
| 06:46.34 | loafers | enouf, I am hopelessly clueless and confused |
| 06:46.59 | enouf | jaggz-: no .. the -dev pkgs contain the build headers |
| 06:47.12 | loafers | enouf, is lvm just splitting the partition? like /var /etc /usr or is that something else? |
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| 06:47.38 | loafers | enouf, never mind answered my own question |
| 06:48.10 | enouf | loafers: /msg dpkg grounding (we were all once where you are) |
| 06:48.21 | loafers | enouf, ok thanks |
| 06:48.24 | Manoj | hulo: This is what I use: http://paste.debian.net/34183/ |
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| 06:49.10 | Manoj | hulo: The last line is to make nvidia modules, which are thirs party kernel modules not in the kernel tree. If you do not have anything not in the kernel tree, you can remove that last line |
| 06:49.44 | hulo | Manoj: wwill that take care of any initrd's if needed? |
| 06:49.58 | hulo | Manoj: the only real thing i need from initrd is to be able to pass LABEL= to grub |
| 06:50.34 | Manoj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:50.43 | hulo | Manoj: oh, easy |
| 06:50.46 | hulo | thanks mate |
| 06:51.16 | Manoj | hulo: also, if you are using kernel-package 12.XXX, you need to add scripts to /etc/kernel/post{inst,rm}.d/ directories to actually run the initramfs generator |
| 06:51.29 | Manoj | kernel-package ships with some example script |
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| 06:52.49 | Manoj | see /usr/share/kernel-package/examples/etc/kernel/*/initramfs if using k-p 12.009 from Sid (the 11.XX versions had the initramfs call built in, so you do not need to worry if using the older version) |
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| 07:00.19 | enouf | Manoj: you broke it? :-P |
| 07:00.25 | enouf | runs |
| 07:01.01 | Manoj | enouf: only for the short term |
| 07:01.02 | boombo | hi. how to get pxe rom for qemu ? |
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| 07:01.29 | Manoj | enouf: the next version of initramfs-tools will modify it's scripts in /etc/kernel to take care of it |
| 07:01.48 | enouf | Manoj: ahhh .. nice |
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| 07:02.20 | Manoj | kernel-package psotinst scripts are hard coding less stuff, and letting users tailor their experince by dropping in scripts in /etc/kernel/*.d directories |
| 07:03.04 | enouf | Manoj: wait .. /etc/kernel/ or /etc/kernel ? or /etc/kernel-* ? |
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| 07:03.43 | enouf | ugh .. the .d/ dirs |
| 07:03.56 | Manoj | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.31 | enouf | omgoodess Manoj |
| 07:05.06 | Manoj | those are 16 directories |
| 07:05.26 | enouf | the pre,post are conffiles there? i guess so |
| 07:05.32 | Manoj | All kinds of tweaks to how make-kpkg generated packages are dealt with |
| 07:05.46 | enouf | ok |
| 07:05.46 | Manoj | well, nothing is installed by default |
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| 07:06.08 | Manoj | there are some example scripts, but the user has full control over what they want in there |
| 07:06.19 | freebse | hello m8s |
| 07:06.31 | Manoj | and I'll continue to expand the selection as people send me their scripts to use as examples |
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| 07:08.42 | hulo | Manoj: MDOULE_LOC isn't necessary right? |
| 07:08.52 | enouf | Manoj: so .. basically moving the stuff done in /etc/initramfs-tools/* into it's own |
| 07:09.19 | enouf | hulo: no |
| 07:09.31 | Manoj | hulo: it tells make-kpkg where third party module sources are located. if you are not going to use make-kpkg ... modules_image, you do not need it |
| 07:09.41 | hulo | ok thought so |
| 07:09.43 | hulo | cheers |
| 07:09.47 | enouf | it shouldn't be hulo |
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| 07:11.21 | enouf | Manoj: btw - have you reviewed http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ lately ? |
| 07:11.21 | Manoj | enouf: moving everythig out -- creating symlinks (there is an example script you can use), calling the bootloader (htough calling update-grub in /etc/kernel-img.conf still works), calling initramfs-tools -- there are example scripts for those too, calling lilo, eliol, vmelilo, formatting a boot floppy .... |
| 07:11.35 | anoHito | grep can not match contents contains blank space ? |
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| 07:11.50 | enouf | Manoj: for ex; http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-out-of-tree |
| 07:11.52 | anoHito | for example,i wanna grep the keyword i love you |
| 07:12.01 | anoHito | simply i use grep i love you |
| 07:12.06 | anoHito | i will not work,any idea ? |
| 07:12.10 | lupine_85 | grep "i love you" |
| 07:12.17 | Manoj | enouf: I have not looked at it recently, no -- I'll take a look |
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| 07:12.27 | lupine_85 | and tori amos just said exactly the same to me |
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| 07:12.32 | lupine_85 | .: spooky :. |
| 07:12.33 | hulo | lupine_85: no response |
| 07:12.37 | enouf | Manoj: well i used to notice mkinitramfs-kpkg used to run |
| 07:12.47 | anoHito | lupine_85, i worked,i love you . :) |
| 07:12.52 | lupine_85 | need need to add an argument for what you're grepping in, of course :) |
| 07:12.53 | enouf | Manoj: thanks |
| 07:13.06 | anoHito | linux is very strange |
| 07:13.12 | anoHito | oops,i meant very strong. |
| 07:13.22 | anoHito | This system is too complicated |
| 07:13.40 | lupine_85 | that's OK, they have ubuntu for people who find debian too complicated |
| 07:13.48 | lupine_85 | and windows for people who find ubuntu too complicated |
| 07:13.51 | enouf | anoHito: use quotes |
| 07:13.53 | lupine_85 | yay, ecosystems |
| 07:13.53 | pl4yer0ne | anoHito, its complicated but very powerful |
| 07:14.05 | anoHito | enouf, yes, now i see. |
| 07:14.08 | anoHito | brb.working. |
| 07:14.38 | pl4yer0ne | ok n00bs i am bored and will answer questions starting......... now. |
| 07:15.05 | lupine_85 | pl4yer0ne, what's the square root of pi? |
| 07:15.17 | pl4yer0ne | 7 |
| 07:15.23 | lupine_85 | nice |
| 07:15.26 | Manoj | enouf: Hmm. it should mention that with 12.XXX k-p, users need to have newer initramfs-tools, or add thte example scripts from k-p into /etc/kernel |
| 07:15.27 | lupine_85 | I always wondered |
| 07:15.28 | enouf | pl4yer0ne: explain what GEM is and why ext4 is desirable :-) |
| 07:15.49 | lupine_85 | actually ext4 is surprisingly nice |
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| 07:15.55 | pl4yer0ne | i said n00bs enouf you dont count |
| 07:16.06 | Manoj | how do I stop xchat from warping the cursor to the window when someone talks to me? |
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| 07:16.15 | lupine_85 | it has oodles of just-works-better on my laptop |
| 07:16.40 | lupine_85 | wonders if he can snatch 15 winks before work starts |
| 07:17.23 | enouf | Manoj: i would love to see documentation kept current .. and i would do so if talented enough .. but i'm just a dumbass musician |
| 07:17.32 | pl4yer0ne | but GEM is a graphics memory manger and ext4 is better because it has extents and other nifty stuff. |
| 07:18.00 | enouf | pl4yer0ne: oh ... i missed the prerequisite :-P |
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| 07:18.36 | Manoj | enouf: Hmm. Who maintains the handbook, I wonder |
| 07:19.42 | enouf | Manoj: no idea ... i know there's some alioth channels on oftc.net? |
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| 07:20.26 | Manoj | right. well, I'll put it on my todo list (thoughh there are other things higher up on the list) |
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| 07:21.19 | enouf | Manoj: i wonder if wiki.debian.org might nnnot be better |
| 07:22.03 | Manoj | well, one can also read the docmentation that comes with kernel-package, which is what I focus on |
| 07:22.24 | enouf | Manoj: i would think franz or someone maintains and updates the handbook ... |
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| 07:22.35 | enouf | sure |
| 07:23.27 | enouf | http://www.golden-gryphon.com/blog/manoj/blog/2009/04/07/Not_your_father__39__s_kernel-package/ |
| 07:23.34 | hulo | is there any way i can pass MAKEOPTS to makepkg? |
| 07:23.41 | enouf | ;-) |
| 07:24.42 | enouf | hulo: what? why? make-kpkg is for use with debian sources |
| 07:25.25 | enouf | if you want to alter that .. then edit the /rules and /control files |
| 07:25.51 | hulo | enouf: nah, just for kernel compilations, i want to use -j5 on my quad core |
| 07:26.04 | hulo | enouf: i'll be modifying Manoj's kernel build script |
| 07:26.05 | enouf | and more ... to make a proper .deb |
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| 07:26.44 | enouf | see CONCURRENCY_LEVEL= option |
| 07:27.00 | enouf | or whatever the VAR is |
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| 07:27.32 | AMorozov | Hi! |
| 07:27.49 | enouf | dpkg-buildpackage also has a param for that |
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| 07:29.56 | AMorozov | How to correctly specify that package requires a given range of versions of some other package to be built? Should I useBuild-Depends: a (>= 1.2.3)Build-Conflicts: a(>= 1.2.5)or there's a syntax to specify the range directly? |
| 07:30.02 | jaggz- | Yeah, I don't get it. rdepends A means "these packages depend on A", right? So if I install any of those packages, A must be added as an auto-dependency right? So when rdepends for libwxgtk2.8-dev shows wx2.8-examples -- why does the installation of examples not install the -dev package? |
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| 07:31.36 | jaggz- | I do understand that installing examples, for reference for example, doesn't necessarily require the headers (except it would were I to compile any of them), but I'm trying to understand the package management system |
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| 07:31.40 | enouf | AMorozov: not sure, but man dh_ [tab][tab] ; man dh_make |
| 07:32.57 | enouf | jaggz-: do you know the diff between a deb and deb-src line? |
| 07:33.04 | AMorozov | Well, it's a bare virtual environment, there's no autocompletion installed there :) man dh_make doesn't mention ranges at all :) |
| 07:33.07 | enouf | !deb-src |
| 07:33.08 | dpkg | well, deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.<CC>.debian.org/debian/ <release> main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed. |
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| 07:33.36 | hulo | argh, dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions 2755 (must be >=0755 and <=0775) |
| 07:33.40 | hulo | for my make-kpkg kernel |
| 07:33.42 | enouf | AMorozov: sorry then |
| 07:34.02 | enouf | hulo: install and use fakeroot |
| 07:34.04 | enouf | ? |
| 07:34.18 | hulo | rootcmd fakeroot was used |
| 07:34.37 | jaggz- | I thought deb-src was a line in the sources.lst file which specified a host from which the dpkg system would retrieve compilable source packages |
| 07:34.40 | enouf | you're not using debian |
| 07:34.48 | hulo | enouf: debian chroot |
| 07:35.01 | enouf | jaggz-: yes |
| 07:35.09 | Manoj | hulo: don't build in /usr/src unless you set the directory permissions |
| 07:35.17 | hulo | ah |
| 07:35.26 | Manoj | hulo: /usr/src sets g+s, I think |
| 07:35.41 | enouf | jaggz-: you do NOT need any -dev pkgs unless you are building shit |
| 07:35.48 | mosno | i'm sure this is a FAQ, but: it seems that the Debian Way to implement a firewall is using the /etc/network area, which seems to imply that i can use the per-interface trigger directories to bring up my firewall for each interface. but what about the iptable rules i need that aren't interface-specific, eg. ones that apply to all or no interfaces? |
| 07:36.16 | mosno | eg. conntrack for all interfaces |
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| 07:36.52 | hulo | Manoj: what do you mean? |
| 07:37.04 | hulo | chmod group+s? |
| 07:37.06 | jaggz- | so how does the package system handle that? "Package A. If Package B depends on package A && package A is A-dev, the dependency is not really a dependency"? |
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| 07:37.26 | jaggz- | ie. are there different types of dependency.. like.. strengths or something |
| 07:37.32 | enouf | hulo: you must be kidding .. only a ____________ would build in /usr/src/ |
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| 07:37.40 | hulo | enouf: enough out of you |
| 07:37.45 | Manoj | hulo: ls -als /usr/src --- drwxrwsr-x. 3 root src 4096 2009-04-21 21:32 . |
| 07:37.46 | hulo | you havent' been of much help at all |
| 07:37.49 | jaggz- | "True depencency. Dev dependency (like a recommendation.. only.. not)" |
| 07:37.52 | enouf | !enouf |
| 07:37.53 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 07:37.57 | hulo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.06 | hulo | Manoj: ah right |
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| 07:38.38 | pl4yer0ne | mosno, create a file and then call it from init |
| 07:38.47 | enouf | welcome to my Bozo box ... enjoy your stay ;0 |
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| 07:39.14 | mosno | pl4yer0ne: yep... but that seems so... non-standard. is there a debian infrastructure for that, or do i just roll my own? |
| 07:39.38 | hulo | Manoj: so basically, i can move the linux-*/ dir elsewhere and utilise that script? |
| 07:40.23 | pl4yer0ne | well I wouldnt want a "standard" firewall, better to make sure people know what they are doing. |
| 07:40.29 | Manoj | I use /usr/local/src/kernel/linux-2.6 (well, that is a cloned git repo, but the principle is the same) |
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| 07:40.48 | hulo | Manoj: hmm, good idea |
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| 07:41.40 | mosno | pl4yer0ne: what i mean is, if one were to implement their own firewall initscript properly, they'd want to know where in the rc sequence to place it, and to use lsb-initrscript framework, and maybe to be careful how they name paths so as not to conflict with debian packages, ... ? |
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| 07:42.10 | enouf | mosno: you need to apply the rules at/or time of bringing up ifaces in order to be effective .. some prebuilt frontends start in rcS.d/ |
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| 07:42.57 | mosno | enouf: 1) "at/or"? 2) which prebuilt frontends? |
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| 07:43.22 | mosno | enouf: (i assume you're not talking about stuff like mason and firehol) |
| 07:43.25 | enouf | mosno: firestarter for ev |
| 07:43.40 | mosno | enouf: i think there's something wrong with your keyboard today, enouf :) |
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| 07:44.12 | enouf | mosno: my keys are extrememlu borkem |
| 07:44.14 | pl4yer0ne | pfft its irc not type like jesus day |
| 07:44.25 | mosno | enouf: one of my points is that, if i were to roll my own -- how do i know which filenames to choose so as not to conflict with packages in the debian repos? |
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| 07:44.35 | mosno | ie. /etc/rc* is managed by dpkg... |
| 07:44.44 | enouf | !mentors |
| 07:44.45 | dpkg | it has been said that mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 07:44.54 | pl4yer0ne | well mosno if your rolling your own your not going to install other firewall packages are you? |
| 07:45.14 | mosno | enouf: i'm not aiming to be a DD/DM... this is purely from a sysad role |
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| 07:46.10 | mosno | pl4yer0ne: this is a generic debian question -- how does one choose filenames in a package manager-maintained directory so as not to conflict with a package which might be installed in the future? |
| 07:46.28 | Manoj | finds shorewall to be the sweet point between control and ease of use |
| 07:47.00 | mosno | Manoj: does it let you treat two different interfaces (eg. wlan0, eth0) with the same rules? |
| 07:47.04 | mosno | Manoj: i know firehol didn't |
| 07:47.18 | pl4yer0ne | hehe have fun enouf |
| 07:47.20 | pl4yer0ne | im out |
| 07:47.32 | nkuttler | mosno: you will be asked before anything gets overwritten by default, so you don't really need to worry about conflicts. and you still have your backups |
| 07:47.42 | enouf | mosno: customizing debian soft not in debian wou;d reqiure some maint abils |
| 07:47.49 | maligor | mosno, you mean as a transparent bridge like on routers? |
| 07:47.52 | Manoj | mosno: no, but it has macros, which makes bundling complex set sof rules into a signle line possible |
| 07:49.16 | hulo | Manoj left? |
| 07:49.20 | enouf | shorewall ftw mosno |
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| 07:49.42 | Manoj | xchat was very annoying |
| 07:50.58 | mosno | nkuttler: maybe that theory only applies to conffiles (if dpkg even has that), because dpkg just silently overwrote a test file i had (/bin/zsh4 with a "hello world" text inside) when i installed zsh |
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| 07:51.23 | Manoj | conffiles are only in /etc |
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| 07:51.28 | nkuttler | mosno: yeah, you shouldn't put anything into /bin, see fhs |
| 07:51.43 | mosno | how do i list conffiles of a packge? |
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| 07:51.45 | mosno | package* |
| 07:51.52 | nkuttler | mosno: dpkg -L |
| 07:51.54 | Manoj | if you want local command, that is what /usr/local/bin is for |
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| 07:51.56 | mosno | enouf: yep, and that's why i'm asking these questions :) |
| 07:52.03 | mosno | nkuttler: that just lists all files, not just conffiles...? |
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| 07:52.28 | Manoj | mosno: yes, put | grep /etc if you want just conffiles |
| 07:52.43 | nkuttler | mosno: and i guess some files get added by postinst etc, so they won't show up |
| 07:53.16 | enouf | right |
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| 07:54.43 | vaq | How do I kill a /usr/bin/find who is hanging? - kill -9 seems not to work |
| 07:55.12 | hulo | hmm, running make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot .. does that require any particular permissions or user ownership? |
| 07:55.24 | lupine_85 | vaq, if it's defunct, pstree then kill its parent |
| 07:55.26 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:55.30 | hulo | running that as root still gives me permission errors |
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| 07:55.57 | hulo | i understand it's a flag used for normal users, but i haven't actually created one yet on this system |
| 07:56.10 | simonrvn | hulo: fix perms, then run with fakeroot like you showed. no, you don't need special perms or other. |
| 07:57.11 | hulo | it's weird. ../ (where deb eventually writes to) has rwxrxrx with root owner. running the command as root doesn't allow file write |
| 07:57.19 | vaq | lupine_85: it shows no parent process to find |
| 07:58.12 | hulo | error for fakeroot is http://rafb.net/p/oIZHjT11.html |
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| 07:58.58 | hulo | i've followed the chmod advice in that err output to no avail |
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| 07:59.12 | {g} | Hey People! What was that amazing command, that works silmilar to tee, but instead of writing to a file, it shows the progress on screen? |
| 07:59.14 | Manoj | hulo: rm -rf ./debian |
| 07:59.44 | Manoj | hulo: also, ls -als in the kernel sources, do you see any g+w ? |
| 07:59.51 | vaq | lupine_85: any other ideas how to kill this without reboot |
| 08:00.39 | hulo | okay. rebuilding kernel |
| 08:00.51 | hulo | where i can i make CONCURRENCY_LEVEL a default option for make-kpkg? |
| 08:00.59 | hulo | or for any compilations done on this system? |
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| 08:01.41 | Manoj | well, try /etc/kernel-pkg.conf ? |
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| 08:01.55 | mosno | maligor: not a bridge; a laptop/server |
| 08:02.14 | Manoj | man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 08:02.56 | mosno | Manoj: so conffiles are flagged, or is it just a debian policy for /etc ? |
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| 08:03.28 | gaintsura | !make-kpkg |
| 08:03.28 | dpkg | somebody said make-kpkg was the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
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| 08:03.34 | hulo | Manoj: ah right. thanks |
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| 08:03.51 | hulo | Manoj: still get the permissions error |
| 08:03.54 | Manoj | mosno: it is debian policy that user changes must be preserved in /etc |
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| 08:04.15 | mosno | Manoj: ok. i'm too used to redhat, it seems |
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| 08:04.22 | Manoj | hulo: what does ls -als debian/control look like? |
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| 08:04.41 | hulo | -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 6449 Apr 23 18:00 debian/control |
| 08:04.46 | streuner_ | Manoj: huhu |
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| 08:05.16 | Manoj | hulo: err, then I don't see what dpkg is complaining about |
| 08:05.39 | hulo | Manoj: me neither: this is the tail of the error msg: http://rafb.net/p/oIZHjT11.html |
| 08:05.52 | Manoj | mosno: also debian policy; all configuration files must live in /etc |
| 08:06.19 | hulo | Manoj: ah! it's becausae i'm chrooted in |
| 08:06.24 | hulo | uid:gid all screwed up |
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| 08:06.38 | Manoj | hulo: heh |
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| 08:07.01 | vaq | How do I kill a haning /usr/bin/find without reboot? pstree shows now defunt processes |
| 08:07.18 | hulo | well that was a _huge_ waste of time |
| 08:07.26 | OpenTokix | vaq: ps axuw | grep find |
| 08:07.27 | OpenTokix | as root |
| 08:07.29 | Manoj | vaq: kill -9 <pid> did not work? |
| 08:07.30 | hulo | i can't believe i overlooked that |
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| 08:07.46 | vaq | Manoj: no, kill -9 doesnt work |
| 08:08.23 | Manoj | vaq: then the process is no longer using any resources either, and it is defunct, and is just an entry in the process table |
| 08:08.28 | {g} | vaq: what happen when you try "kill -9"? |
| 08:08.45 | {g} | vaq: what happens when you kill the terminal you started find from? |
| 08:08.52 | vaq | Manoj: How do I remove that defunct process? |
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| 08:09.09 | vaq | vaq: It was started from cron.daily/locate, I tried stop and start cron. Didnt do anything |
| 08:09.12 | hulo | Manoj: you wouldn't happen to know if concurrency level can be set for all package-built-from-source besides kernel, do you? |
| 08:09.18 | hulo | something like a /etc/make.conf |
| 08:09.18 | Manoj | vaq: the question is, why do you need to? (there is no easy way to do so without rebooting) |
| 08:09.49 | Manoj | hulo: did you tryman kernel-pkg.conf ? |
| 08:09.53 | vaq | Manoj: because I've got a load of 10.02 and they use 0.2 mem and it's like 20x find |
| 08:10.29 | streuner_ | vaq: show us the output of "ps aux | grep find" please |
| 08:10.31 | {g} | vaq: how do you know the process is still there? what does pstree show? |
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| 08:10.55 | vaq | {g}: Simple because it shows up in pstree and ps aux? |
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| 08:11.03 | Manoj | vaq: if kill -9 did not work all you have left is rebooting |
| 08:11.08 | {g} | vaq: who the output of pstree please. |
| 08:11.09 | hulo | Manoj: yeah, i did set CONCURR.. in kernel-pkg.conf |
| 08:11.22 | streuner_ | !zombie |
| 08:11.23 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 08:11.29 | Manoj | hulo: if you use 12.XXX, I know it works |
| 08:11.38 | vaq | {g}: http://www.pastebin.ca/1400714 |
| 08:11.44 | vaq | streuner_ ^^ |
| 08:11.44 | Manoj | hulo: I don't recall if that bg was fixed in 11.XXX or not |
| 08:11.47 | hulo | Manoj: just curious for other packages |
| 08:12.17 | streuner_ | oh NFS :-) |
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| 08:12.36 | Manoj | hulo: export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parrallel=3 |
| 08:12.48 | streuner_ | vaq: check out dmesg and syslog/messages too... |
| 08:12.51 | Manoj | hulo: most packages will respect that, if they are new enough |
| 08:13.14 | streuner_ | vaq: so, just follow the advice of Manoj |
| 08:13.25 | streuner_ | (reboot) |
| 08:13.27 | hulo | Manoj: i'm still getting permission errors :`( |
| 08:13.30 | {g} | vaq: hmm... i dont know. |
| 08:13.51 | hulo | i thought manually setting gid and uid for scratch area recursively would do the trick |
| 08:13.58 | vaq | streuner_: I can't |
| 08:14.11 | streuner_ | uhm, why? |
| 08:14.14 | Manoj | hulo: well, find debian -type d -name DEBIAN -ls |
| 08:14.14 | {g} | vaq: what happens when you do kill -9 2660 ? |
| 08:14.29 | vaq | {g}: nothing |
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| 08:14.42 | vaq | streuner_: Because it's critical 24/7 |
| 08:14.43 | {g} | vaq: no message printed on screen? |
| 08:14.49 | vaq | {g}: no |
| 08:15.14 | {g} | vaq: what happens when you do kill -9 1234567890 ? |
| 08:15.32 | hulo | 571394 4 drwxr-sr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 23 18:08 debian/linux-image-2.6.30-rc3-tolstoi/DEBIAN |
| 08:15.33 | vaq | of course it can't find the process |
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| 08:15.38 | hulo | Manoj: 571394 4 drwxr-sr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 23 18:08 debian/linux-image-2.6.30-rc3-tolstoi/DEBIAN |
| 08:15.42 | {g} | vaq: it says so? |
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| 08:15.56 | vaq | {g}: yes |
| 08:16.03 | {g} | vaq: are you root? |
| 08:16.14 | vaq | {g}: yes |
| 08:16.20 | Manoj | hulo: so, what are permissions on ./debian ? |
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| 08:16.32 | Manoj | and finally, what about . ? |
| 08:16.42 | {g} | vaq: then i dont know. what will you do now? |
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| 08:17.37 | hulo | Manoj: debian: drwxr-sr-x . (/usr/local/src/kernel/linux-*): drwxr-sr-x |
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| 08:18.07 | hulo | Manoj: same perms for upper dir |
| 08:18.19 | Manoj | hulo: thus, you issue |
| 08:23.17 | Manoj | fix permissions all over |
| 08:23.17 | hulo | Manoj: isn't u+w all that's necessary? |
| 08:23.17 | Manoj | find . -type d -exec chmod g-s {} \; |
| 08:23.17 | hulo | hm, strange |
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| 08:23.17 | Manoj | that g+s is also somwthing dpkg will hate |
| 08:23.17 | hulo | Manoj: why would that have been set automatically? I created /usr/local/src/kernel normally |
| 08:23.17 | Manoj | how did you populate it? |
| 08:23.17 | hulo | cp -av from a different distro |
| 08:23.17 | hulo | hence i thought it was uid/gid at first, but i fixed that |
| 08:23.17 | Manoj | and the source director had g+s set, perhaps? |
| 08:23.17 | hulo | Manoj: nope |
| 08:23.18 | hulo | rwxrxrx |
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| 08:23.18 | Manoj | hulo: what are the perms on /usr/local, /usr/local/src, and /usr/local/src/kernel ? |
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| 08:23.18 | hulo | some ghost in this machine.. |
| 08:23.18 | hulo | Manoj: all have +s, except for kernel, which u just helped me change |
| 08:23.20 | Manoj | heh |
| 08:23.38 | Manoj | why does /usr/local have g+s? That is not the norm for debian |
| 08:23.56 | hulo | i dunno. i installed debian through debootstrap |
| 08:24.25 | hulo | Manoj: everything from /usr/local down has +s |
| 08:24.27 | Manoj | err. perhps it is the darned norm |
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| 08:26.16 | Manoj | hulo: anyway, once you have the permissions all set right, it should compile -- I'm off to bed now, but send me email at srivasta@debian.org if it does not get cleared up |
| 08:26.54 | hulo | Manoj: package compiled and installed cleanly |
| 08:26.57 | hulo | Manoj: thanks for your time |
| 08:27.02 | hulo | Manoj: but initrd wasn't generated |
| 08:27.14 | hulo | i don't know where i'll be if enouf 'helped' me |
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| 08:27.35 | hulo | thank god i /ignore'd him |
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| 08:28.55 | simonrvn | Manoj: it is, or was, normal for /usr/local to have +s :staff |
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| 08:29.32 | Manoj | simonrvn: yeah, I realized that. |
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| 08:30.02 | Manoj | hulo: You need to look at /usr/share/kernel-package/examples/etc/kernel/*/initramfs |
| 08:30.28 | Manoj | hulo: and cp those files to the corresponding places in /etc/kernel/*.d/ |
| 08:30.46 | Manoj | hulo: and then the initrd will be generated for you on install |
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| 08:34.05 | hulo | Manoj: wow, i just found that you were the author of those scripts |
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| 08:34.13 | hulo | makes sense that you knew so much about it hahah |
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| 08:35.39 | simonrvn | heh :) |
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| 08:38.49 | hulo | hm, where exactly does linux-headers- pull it's sources from |
| 08:38.58 | hulo | i wouldn't mind makign a package for 2.6.30 on my system too |
| 08:41.44 | alex_sleiborg | Hi. I have problems to get my wireless working i debian 5.0 with fluxbox. A lspci | grep Wireless gives 07:00.0 Network controller: Intel corp. Wireless Wifi 5100. But wifi-radar says that no wifi devise found. sudo iwconfig gives eth0: no wireless extensions |
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| 08:42.47 | alex_sleiborg | And the wireless light is also off on the laptop, and i can't turn the on button |
| 08:43.31 | streuner_ | well, did you turn on the switch (wireless, laptop) yet? |
| 08:44.14 | streuner_ | !listvals 5100 |
| 08:44.16 | dpkg | Factoid search of '5100' by value (4): iwlagn ;; rfc1068 ;; tg ;; iwlagn firmware. |
| 08:44.17 | alex_sleiborg | It doesn't help, I can't turn it on. I had no problems in ubuntu turning the switch on and off |
| 08:44.32 | streuner_ | !iwlagn |
| 08:44.32 | dpkg | from memory, iwlagn is the driver for Intel 5050, 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Use a backported kernel from sid to acquire this driver for Lenny Also ask me about <iwlagn firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 08:45.04 | streuner_ | alex1212: lenny? |
| 08:45.06 | alex_sleiborg | dpkg: So i can use module-assistant for installing the driver? |
| 08:45.07 | dpkg | alex_sleiborg: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 08:45.14 | streuner_ | alex_sleiborg: lenny? |
| 08:45.22 | streuner_ | alex_sleiborg: dpkg is a bot... |
| 08:45.23 | alex_sleiborg | streuner: Yeah lenny |
| 08:45.27 | xoz | alex_sleiborg: dpkg is a bot |
| 08:45.44 | streuner_ | alex_sleiborg: well, so just read the dpkg already told you |
| 08:45.50 | streuner_ | s/the/what/ |
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| 08:46.19 | streuner_ | hint: lenny has 2.6.26 kernels as default... |
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| 08:46.58 | hulo | Manoj: just wanna point out that post-inst.d/symlink_hook mentions lilo, which may(not) be installed on the system. sweet dreams nonetheless :D |
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| 08:47.18 | streuner_ | there is also <kmuto> which give you a newer kernel in order to install lenny |
| 08:47.21 | streuner_ | !kmuto |
| 08:47.21 | dpkg | [kmuto] For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 08:51.12 | geophoenix | where can i find a list with printers/scanners that are supported in debian? |
| 08:52.03 | streuner_ | alex_sleiborg: m-a -t list | grep -E '^[^ ].*\(' | cut -d " " -f 1 | sort |
| 08:52.28 | streuner_ | alex_sleiborg: (gives you a list of available packages for m-a) |
| 08:52.44 | EmleyMoor | geophoenix: www.linuxprinting.org and www.sane-project.org |
| 08:52.52 | streuner_ | geophoenix: printers? just look at linuxprinting.org |
| 08:53.05 | geophoenix | thank you |
| 08:55.01 | Supaplex | nom nom noms on some smokin hot ranch pringles |
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| 08:57.04 | tarzeau | geophoenix: you could just ask here as well |
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| 09:00.30 | geophoenix | i have a wireless card that has broadcom 4318 chipset , which is supported by the linux kernel , but when i pluged in the device and i try to scan for available networks , it returns the message "this interface does not support scanning", and i cannot connect to any essid . .. Should i reinstall Debian ? |
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| 09:01.07 | alex_sleiborg | Hi. Back again, just tried something, but it didn't work |
| 09:01.20 | geophoenix | when i tried with a LiveCd of backtrack it worked |
| 09:01.23 | streuner_ | !didn't work |
| 09:01.23 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 09:01.36 | streuner_ | !listvals 4318 |
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| 09:01.38 | dpkg | Factoid search of '4318' by value returned no results. |
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| 09:02.27 | streuner_ | geophoenix: check out http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 09:03.48 | streuner_ | alex_sleiborg: we need more details... |
| 09:04.30 | geophoenix | Included in mainline kernels from 2.6.17-rc2. --Disabled in Debian 2.6.24 and later kernels. --Removed from the mainline kernel in 2.6.26. < this means that it will not work ?or i need to install the driver ? |
| 09:04.51 | alex_sleiborg | streuner_: I can't find the iwlagn with module-assistant. I'm trying to get my Intel wireless 5100 to work with kernel 2.6.26 |
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| 09:05.20 | streuner_ | !iwlagn |
| 09:05.20 | dpkg | from memory, iwlagn is the driver for Intel 5050, 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Use a backported kernel from sid to acquire this driver for Lenny Also ask me about <iwlagn firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 09:05.23 | myeggo | hello, someone can give a clue or a point start about creating a console interface? like irsii by example or bitchx i dont know if it is using setterm or stty command |
| 09:05.37 | streuner_ | alex_sleiborg: read the factoid again carefully |
| 09:05.49 | EmleyMoor | Will iwlagn be in lenny-and-a-half? |
| 09:05.53 | Guerin | myeggo: ask in the channel corresponding to whatever language you intend to program in |
| 09:06.02 | streuner_ | EmleyMoor: good question |
| 09:06.13 | myeggo | Guerin: is not programing related |
| 09:06.19 | myeggo | it is done with bash |
| 09:06.36 | myeggo | can you tell me a proper channel to ask this? |
| 09:06.40 | Guerin | myeggo: then ask in #bash, since bash is a programming language |
| 09:06.48 | myeggo | thank you :) |
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| 09:07.19 | streuner_ | EmleyMoor: fjp surely knows |
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| 09:08.52 | EmleyMoor | streuner_: It might make matters a bit easier when I get a new laptop |
| 09:09.23 | streuner_ | EmleyMoor: heh? i using just sid ;-) |
| 09:09.41 | streuner_ | for laptops |
| 09:10.07 | EmleyMoor | I would tend to use stable unless something else was technically necessary |
| 09:10.32 | streuner_ | sure, so just use a sid kernel then |
| 09:10.43 | streuner_ | if necessary |
| 09:13.06 | EmleyMoor | I am hoping to hold off until September, but it might be necessary sooner |
| 09:13.46 | Zmanu | I have this video card "Integrated Intel® Graphic Media Accelerator X4500" and i have a screen that be abble to do 1440*900 but i don't find how to change it under sid, with new xorg, if someone can help me |
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| 09:14.30 | anoHito | can i have a hardware related question please ? |
| 09:14.32 | loafers | I installed openbox on debian base without a desktop environment. I installed xorg and setup my .xinitrc file, but debian does not startx everytime it boots, how do i fix this? |
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| 09:14.37 | anoHito | i mean can i ask. |
| 09:14.42 | loafers | don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 09:14.49 | anoHito | loafers, :) |
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| 09:15.48 | Zmanu | new xorg don't let us change resolution with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, how can i change it ? |
| 09:16.01 | anoHito | if we make sure there is no attack, no local sql querring problems but the load avg is high when there is traffic jam ,usually improve hardware will this be helpful apperarently ? |
| 09:16.10 | whizz | I'm trying to monitor my apache with monit, but apache2.pid doesn't seem to exist. Anyone know how to fix that? |
| 09:17.09 | kjdro | can anyone help me whit rrdtool ? i want to know what happens when i update the rrd database more often then the stepping defined. Wiil data be inputed at the defined stepping intervals ? |
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| 09:30.12 | nkuttler | Zmanu: i think xorg picks the highest resolution available, check the log. with recent xorg i had to specify sync and refresh rate though |
| 09:31.39 | rhalff | hi, what could be happening if I cannot ping my own ip-range from a server behind a loadbalancer ? |
| 09:31.52 | Zmanu | nkuttler: my screen can do 1440*900 i'm sure, and video card can do too |
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| 09:32.15 | nkuttler | Zmanu: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:32.16 | Zmanu | nkuttler: i try to do dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, i can't change resolution or card |
| 09:32.17 | rhalff | I can ping for example www.google.com but an ip from my own range is unreachable. I can ping al machines by their internal ip though. |
| 09:33.03 | nkuttler | Zmanu: yeah, it supposed to work automagically now |
| 09:33.56 | Zmanu | nkuttler: magically is not a pleasure |
| 09:34.30 | Zmanu | i want to be abble to modify it by myself, i don't leave windows to find the same problem, someone think for me, and say it's like that or nothing |
| 09:35.14 | Zmanu | nkuttler: is it possible to modify it by myself, and kill the fu***ng magic choice |
| 09:35.35 | nkuttler | Zmanu: sure, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, google a working one for your card |
| 09:36.14 | Zmanu | nkuttler: ok, i can change file by hand, and don't have problem |
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| 09:36.21 | Zmanu | nkuttler: thanks for answer |
| 09:40.08 | kjdro | can anyone help me whit rrdtool ? i want to know what happens when i update the rrd database more often then the stepping defined. Wiil data be inputed at the defined stepping intervals ? |
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| 09:45.45 | rjd | I'm about to patch for udev on the main database server. I accidently did an upgrade -y with the normal repositories still there, so now it wants to upgrade mysql-server (and thus force a restart). I cannot have this happen just like that, I need to make sure in a controlled environment that the updates will work fine. I commented out the normal repos, did apt-get update but still it wants to upgrade mysql server. I removed all cached .debs but still same problem. Ca |
| 09:46.14 | rjd | is the only solution to download the udev fix .deb and dpkg it, or can I "flush" what apt-get want to do? |
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| 09:46.50 | hsnnth | put it on old to get time to think |
| 09:46.55 | valdyn | rjd: if it still wants to upgrade then you still have a repo providing a new package |
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| 09:47.45 | hsnnth | rjd, put the package on old |
| 09:47.55 | hsnnth | hold, sorry |
| 09:48.27 | rjd | How do I put it on hold? |
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| 09:48.55 | rjd | nm, I'll google it |
| 09:48.59 | rjd | Thanks hsnnth |
| 09:49.01 | nkuttler | rjd: /msg dpkg hold |
| 09:49.02 | hsnnth | with dpkg google a little bit |
| 09:49.45 | rjd | I'll just use google, Im sure there's milions of pages covering the subject :) |
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| 09:50.03 | nkuttler | the bot is much more useful... |
| 09:50.05 | nkuttler | !hold |
| 09:50.06 | dpkg | it has been said that hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why ... |
| 09:50.34 | hsnnth | nkuttler, thanks |
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| 09:56.31 | myeggo | has gnome some text editor to use \r\n as split line? |
| 09:56.37 | myeggo | i am using edit but it looks strange |
| 09:58.13 | valdyn | myeggo: a text editor that uses dos style newline? |
| 09:58.24 | valdyn | myeggo: what the hell for? |
| 09:58.49 | myeggo | because a novice friend get that file from windows and it wants edit it |
| 09:58.57 | myeggo | anyway i think he can carry on his trouble |
| 09:59.55 | valdyn | myeggo: vim does the right thing by default i guess |
| 10:00.19 | valdyn | !dos2unix |
| 10:00.19 | dpkg | well, dos2unix is a tool for converting from DOS line endings (CR LF) to unix line endings (LF). The dos2unix (and unix2dos) utilities are in the package "tofrodos". For other methods, ask me about <crlf->unix> |
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| 10:00.45 | adam8157 | myeggo: leafpad |
| 10:01.29 | myeggo | thank you |
| 10:01.58 | adam8157 | myeggo: gedit can't handle it ? |
| 10:02.18 | myeggo | seems not |
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| 10:04.07 | Speereet | Hello. I have installed sid from a bootstrap, and then I manually added some of those packages that are automatically installed from the Standard System option in the debian-installer. Now I have my debian system up and running for a while, but I have many broken dependencies. For instance, I can't install gnome. I tried install -t testing/stable gnome, but it always complains. Perhaps I have some crufty packages demanding too recent dependencies, |
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| 10:04.43 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 10:04.44 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror), it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/squeeze... |
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| 10:13.26 | EricBlade | I'm currently upgrading an ancient knoppix 5.0 to unstable.. that'll take me somewhere up to ... lenny? |
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| 10:14.12 | jelly | EricBlade: it'll take you to a very interesting place |
| 10:14.25 | EricBlade | did I miss squiggy, or is that next? |
| 10:14.31 | jelly | EricBlade: debian doesn't support skipping releases on upgrades |
| 10:14.47 | jelly | Miss Piggy? |
| 10:14.52 | EricBlade | well, it won't pain me if it doesn't work right |
| 10:15.17 | EricBlade | my gf's laptop is blown up, and doing a complete system restore on it didn't get windows functioning again.. so.. I'm off to something else |
| 10:15.20 | valdyn | upgrading knoppix to debian isnt supported either |
| 10:15.25 | valdyn | and it doesnt completely work |
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| 10:16.15 | jelly | EricBlade: squeeze is current testing (and will eventually become the next stable release), lenny is current debian stable; upgrading to "unstable" will get you ahead of both |
| 10:17.21 | EricBlade | that's where I like to be. How difficult is the process of getting a Compaq laptop to operate it's wireless card? |
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| 10:18.07 | valdyn | !8ball EricBlade |
| 10:18.07 | dpkg | Please ask again. |
| 10:18.07 | nkuttler | EricBlade: depends on the card/chipset |
| 10:18.13 | EricBlade | unsurprisingly, I couldn't get it to work from that 2-year-old knoppix disc, but with the computer dead, I couldn't burn anything newer anyway |
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| 10:19.18 | anoHito | i am having a strange question please. |
| 10:19.32 | Speereet | Ah, thanks valdyn. I have been recommended unstable by a professor, for, he argued, testing could get broken packages for ages, while in unstable things get updated more quickly. I see my self as a poweruser, therefore I should go for testing, right? |
| 10:19.49 | valdyn | Speereet: no, go for stable |
| 10:20.11 | Speereet | valdyn: No way, its packages are too outdated. |
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| 10:20.32 | valdyn | Speereet: what kind of work are you going to do on that computer? |
| 10:20.34 | Speereet | valdyn: Ah, you mean stable base with plus testing? |
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| 10:20.36 | anoHito | if you have banned the IPs from a internet spider,then you run tcpdump to capture the user agent of the spider, will they still appear ? |
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| 10:20.43 | valdyn | Speereet: no, actually i dont |
| 10:21.03 | anoHito | orzel, you haven't banned the compelte IPs of that spider,thus they will still appear in tcpdump ? |
| 10:21.07 | Guerin | Speereet: if you'r ehappy to dedicate a bit of time and energy to learning debian systems, testing and unstable are ok. But don't expect much help or sympathy from us |
| 10:21.13 | anoHito | orzel, sorry |
| 10:21.16 | Guerin | Speereet: mixing stable with anything means hurt and pain |
| 10:21.16 | nkuttler | Speereet: whatever you decide to do, make sure you have a fully functional system before you upgrade to anything else |
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| 10:21.20 | anoHito | i meant 'or' |
| 10:21.57 | Speereet | Guerin: Thank you very much, I understand the sympathy thing well. |
| 10:22.13 | valdyn | Speereet: its silly to demand bleeding edge packages when you need to get work done |
| 10:22.18 | Speereet | valdyn: I develop software, and test a lot of stuff, but sometimes I need to relax. |
| 10:22.25 | valdyn | Speereet: but if you dont need to get work done, then use whatever is fun, including unstable |
| 10:22.38 | EricBlade | "A system reboot will trigger a restart into a kernel loaded by kexec instead of going through the full system bootloader process." should I do this? |
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| 10:23.43 | Speereet | valdyn: Well, I WANT to learn how debian works, but I lack time to read ten thousand pages. So I'd like to know how I, for instance, learn the tree of dependencies of a package, so that I can fix the problem by my hand. |
| 10:23.52 | Speereet | nkuttler: Indeed. |
| 10:24.16 | Speereet | For instance, in which file does debian keep track of manually installed packages? |
| 10:24.24 | valdyn | Speereet: install stable, then upgrade to testing and to unstable later if you want |
| 10:24.37 | nkuttler | Speereet: what's manually installed? |
| 10:24.42 | valdyn | Speereet: packages are packages, no matter how you install them |
| 10:24.50 | Speereet | nkuttler: explicitly installed. |
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| 10:25.06 | nkuttler | Speereet: do you mean stuff you compile yourself? |
| 10:26.57 | Speereet | No, nkuttler. Here's my problem, most certainly: gnome depends on X, and I explicitly asked X to be installed on my system. Otherwise it would be implicitly selected by APT for installation. Then unstable gnome got broken dependencies, and unless I downgrade X, I can't fix my issue. |
| 10:27.33 | valdyn | Speereet: gnome doesnt depend on X |
| 10:28.13 | valdyn | Speereet: you dont need the package "gnome", its a metapackage |
| 10:28.14 | nkuttler | Speereet: you will get warned about broken deps before upgrading anyway |
| 10:28.44 | nkuttler | Speereet: usually the worst that happens are broken postinst etc scripts, which you should be able to fix if you're not too clueless |
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| 10:29.36 | Speereet | valdyn: Excuse me, X is an "unknown"... Like X-rays used to be X-rays... :-D |
| 10:29.54 | valdyn | Speereet: uh, then write x, not X |
| 10:30.05 | valdyn | !X |
| 10:30.06 | nkuttler | or foo |
| 10:30.16 | Speereet | Maybe bar. |
| 10:30.20 | valdyn | Speereet: X is the x window system |
| 10:30.33 | Speereet | I know, but I didn't make the connexion. |
| 10:32.09 | Speereet | How do I come to know this x/foo/bar package? See, there are recursive dependencies. Does debian have a way to build a tree out of this? |
| 10:33.06 | anoHito | what does this command work for ? netstat -ant | grep :80 | wc -l ,it will tell what ? |
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| 10:33.19 | valdyn | anoHito: run it |
| 10:33.29 | anoHito | it gives out a number |
| 10:33.42 | anoHito | i dont get what that number stands for |
| 10:33.50 | valdyn | anoHito: then read the manpage to wc and remove the | wc -l and run it again |
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| 10:34.48 | valdyn | !tell Speereet -about search |
| 10:34.55 | anoHito | netstat -ant | grep :80 | wc i got 3 numbers |
| 10:35.09 | valdyn | Speereet: and ill give you "apt-rdepends" for the tree thing |
| 10:35.17 | nkuttler | Speereet: uh, why do you care? the whole dep tree would go as far as libc and stuff... |
| 10:35.55 | Speereet | nkuttler: You never had to solve deeply rooted problem, have you? That's why you need a tree. |
| 10:36.00 | Speereet | Thanks, valdyn. |
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| 10:36.16 | valdyn | Speereet: you most probably dont need that though |
| 10:36.22 | nkuttler | Speereet: yeah, and i've been using unstable for like a decade |
| 10:37.03 | valdyn | Speereet: its probably very simple, gnome the package is broken, period, you cant install it. Thats Unstable |
| 10:37.11 | valdyn | Speereet: and i already told you that you dont need that package |
| 10:37.29 | nkuttler | Speereet: and that's when you can use snapshot if you really need to |
| 10:37.58 | Speereet | valdyn: it is broken for unstable. I want to install the testing version, therefore I'm looking into reverting stuff. |
| 10:38.07 | valdyn | Speereet: thats silly |
| 10:38.13 | valdyn | Speereet: you dont need that package |
| 10:38.19 | nkuttler | Speereet: that's why you install a working stable system and upgrade later... |
| 10:38.27 | valdyn | Speereet: downgrading is not supported either |
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| 10:38.48 | Speereet | Maybe debian is just too limited. |
| 10:38.54 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:38.56 | nkuttler | maybe |
| 10:39.00 | Speereet | I can't just install stable... I wish. |
| 10:39.02 | valdyn | Speereet: maybe you dont understand it |
| 10:39.10 | Guerin | the old `I don't like your answers so I might just insult your cock size' gambit |
| 10:39.20 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 10:39.20 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 10:39.23 | Speereet | I have to bootstrap again, and configure stuff by hand. |
| 10:40.03 | EricBlade | hmm. it says that the libc update requires kernel 2.6.18 + to be installed.. but the only kernel images I see are for 2.6.17 |
| 10:40.05 | valdyn | Speereet: are you listining at all? are you still trying to fix a package that you dont need? |
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| 10:41.00 | nkuttler | EricBlade: which debian release? |
| 10:41.17 | Speereet | valdyn: Maybe I don't understand it, but you're not helping. If you explicitly tell what I need to learn... For instance, gnome is a meta package, and I want the gnome environment. I checked for gnome-core, but it wont install because... because debian can't downgrade. |
| 10:41.18 | valdyn | nkuttler: hes trying to "upgrade" knoppix to debian |
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| 10:41.23 | nkuttler | ouch |
| 10:41.24 | Guerin | fail |
| 10:41.25 | EricBlade | nkuttler, attempting to pick up unstable |
| 10:41.39 | nkuttler | EricBlade: /msg dpkg ig, /msg dpkg knoppix |
| 10:41.41 | valdyn | Speereet: you dont need any of those metapackages |
| 10:41.44 | Guerin | EricBlade: good luck with that round peg, square hole thing |
| 10:41.45 | anoHito | in the file user.log i wanna find the keyword of a, b and c, and except the d,e and f, how do i do that in the same line ? |
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| 10:41.59 | Speereet | valdyn: What do I need, then? |
| 10:42.01 | EricBlade | guerin: thanks :) |
| 10:42.13 | valdyn | Speereet: and im pretty sure that gnome-core is ok in unstable |
| 10:42.26 | Guerin | anoHito: man egrep |
| 10:42.28 | valdyn | Speereet: but maybe you now have unstable packages installed with your repository pointing just to testing |
| 10:42.47 | EricBlade | should I find a kernel > 2.6.18 in here? |
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| 10:43.25 | valdyn | Speereet: you need the packages that make up gnome, but not all of them, and not the gnome package |
| 10:43.34 | valdyn | !install gnome |
| 10:43.34 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 10:43.40 | Speereet | valdyn: gnome-core is not ok in my case, for it has broken dependencies. I'm running unstable. Trying to downgrade packages to testing was an approach, but it didn't work. |
| 10:43.57 | nkuttler | Speereet: of course not, it's not supported |
| 10:44.05 | valdyn | Speereet: so is your /etc/apt/sources.list referencing testing or unstable? |
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| 10:44.14 | Speereet | I already figured that, thank nkuttler. |
| 10:44.27 | Speereet | (With a tip of irritation. Excuse me.) |
| 10:44.40 | Speereet | valdyn: unstable. |
| 10:44.48 | Guerin | Speereet: often having unstable and testing both in sources can make things magically unbroken. But often it also results in much more pain. |
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| 10:44.55 | valdyn | Speereet: run "apt-get update" if you didnt |
| 10:45.00 | nkuttler | yeah, gnome has broken deps for me too. |
| 10:45.14 | nkuttler | Speereet: that's why you install a full system in stable and upgrade later... |
| 10:45.17 | valdyn | gnome is like always broken in unstable |
| 10:45.22 | valdyn | the metapackage |
| 10:45.43 | Speereet | valdyn: did that long ago. |
| 10:46.01 | javi | hi |
| 10:46.06 | valdyn | Speereet: then let us see the error that you get when running "aptitude install gnome-core" |
| 10:46.48 | javi | can anyone tell me if there is a folder to check the available system daemons in debian like the /var/run/daemons in Arch? |
| 10:47.19 | EricBlade | so, say I have a semi functional system right now, is there a way, sans burning a new startup disc, that I can start over with a standard release? |
| 10:49.37 | nkuttler | EricBlade: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 10:49.37 | Guerin | EricBlade: debootstrap |
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| 10:54.37 | arunku | test |
| 10:54.39 | Speereet | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/1400809 — what's the main difference between aptitude and apt-get? I usually only use apt-get. |
| 10:55.01 | EricBlade | ty much.. ok, hopefully last dumb question for a while.. it's been years since I last used linux. Any disadvantage to using Amd-64 kernels vs x86 ? |
| 10:57.14 | valdyn | Speereet: that doesnt look so bad |
| 10:57.36 | valdyn | Speereet: now try aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment for comparison |
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| 11:00.34 | Speereet | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/1400815 |
| 11:00.48 | Speereet | Hmm... Only gedit broken? |
| 11:01.06 | valdyn | Speereet: yes |
| 11:01.53 | valdyn | Speereet: so run "aptitude install gdm gnome-desktop-environment xorg" for example to get the complete thing with X |
| 11:02.39 | valdyn | Speereet: not sure why your gedit is broken though, you can probably try again soon when your mirror is in sync again |
| 11:02.54 | valdyn | Speereet: but you can also just ignore that minor issue for now |
| 11:03.04 | Speereet | Again, only gedit broken. |
| 11:03.22 | valdyn | Speereet: i meant, just do it, dont show me |
| 11:03.38 | valdyn | Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] Y <- |
| 11:03.44 | Speereet | But it's worse than that... Running aptitude update made APT think I have to upgrade my whole system. |
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| 11:04.02 | valdyn | Speereet: why is that bad? |
| 11:04.55 | Speereet | valdyn: Because it makes me pretty confused, now. I thought that aptitude was a ninftier interface to apt-get. |
| 11:05.10 | Speereet | But it behaves quite differently. |
| 11:05.23 | valdyn | Speereet: aptitude does not control that unstable changes rapidly, always, 6 times a day |
| 11:05.40 | valdyn | well, 4 timnes even, i meant every 6 hours |
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| 11:05.48 | zamba | i have a Broadcom NetXtreme II NIC and when installing lenny it complains about missing firmware.. how can i fix this? |
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| 11:06.03 | petemc | zamba: you can add the firmware via a usb key |
| 11:06.41 | zamba | petemc: yeah, but where do i find the firmware? |
| 11:06.42 | Speereet | I see, valdyn. |
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| 11:07.12 | zamba | petemc: and how should the file structure on the usb key be? |
| 11:07.17 | zamba | petemc: should i unpack the deb? |
| 11:07.24 | petemc | thats what i did |
| 11:07.29 | zamba | you unpacked it? |
| 11:07.32 | valdyn | Speereet: when you run a command like this, theres alot of output, but the only thing that you really need to look at is where it sais REMOVING foo |
| 11:07.34 | petemc | yes i did |
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| 11:08.07 | valdyn | Speereet: otherwise the worst case would be that you just dont get something, which obviously doesnt break something |
| 11:08.18 | Speereet | valdyn: Indeed. Thanks a lot for your help. I can deal with this hence forth. I must leave for a class now. |
| 11:09.03 | nordc | with kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64 how should i go about the nvidia drivers - my monitors don't work right now |
| 11:09.37 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Which card and which release of Debian? |
| 11:09.48 | nordc | nvidia 7300GS |
| 11:10.00 | nordc | gforce |
| 11:10.59 | EmleyMoor | nordc: ... |
| 11:11.02 | nordc | EmleyMoor, I once compiled them but someone have told me, the module is already compiled |
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| 11:11.26 | EmleyMoor | nordc: It is now - install nvidia-kernel |
| 11:11.39 | nordc | EmpleyMoor: that's what I have been told |
| 11:11.48 | EmleyMoor | (er... 2.6) |
| 11:12.00 | nordc | how should I activate it? |
| 11:12.22 | nordc | just xorg.conf with nvidi? |
| 11:12.33 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Hold on... there's a command |
| 11:12.40 | nordc | thanks |
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| 11:13.50 | datenritter | i installed nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 and changed the driver setting in /etc/X11/xorg.conf from "nv" to "nvdidia". while "modprobe nvidia" works fine, xorg won't start anymore, telling me, module "nvidia" could not be found. |
| 11:13.51 | nordc | Debian Lenny of course |
| 11:14.48 | nordc | datenritter: so you're saying it's not working in your case? |
| 11:15.08 | datenritter | nordc: i might have done something wrong. |
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| 11:15.48 | nordc | datenritter: have you tried changing resolution in xorg.conf? |
| 11:16.07 | datenritter | but i have no idea what. when i compile the kernel myself and let the nvidia-installer compile a module, it will change the config for me - it always worked. the deb doesn't seem to. |
| 11:16.13 | datenritter | nordc: no, o resolution change |
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| 11:16.17 | datenritter | just nv -> nvidia |
| 11:16.27 | datenritter | X works fine with nv |
| 11:16.44 | EmleyMoor | run nvidia-xconfig and see if it helps |
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| 11:17.20 | nordc | datenritter: i see, when I complied the kernel with the nvidia drivers I had to do that |
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| 11:18.20 | nordc | EmplyMoor, maybe because I have TwinView option |
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| 11:18.26 | nordc | on |
| 11:19.05 | datenritter | EmleyMoor: did so, same result: xorg says, the module nvidia does not exist. |
| 11:19.50 | nordc | datenritter: the last message was for you :-)) |
| 11:19.52 | EmleyMoor | Do you have nvidia-glx installed? |
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| 11:20.23 | nordc | EmleyMoor: what should I do then? |
| 11:20.36 | datenritter | EmleyMoor: installing... |
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| 11:21.23 | EmleyMoor | nordc: I'm really not sure further - I got mine working with a compiled driver originally |
| 11:21.31 | datenritter | nvidia-glx did the trick |
| 11:21.35 | datenritter | many thanks! |
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| 11:22.11 | aibo | hi, I am upgraded to debian-stable (5.0) but I got some problems with my perl scripts, so I want to downgrade perl to etch version, how can I do it? |
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| 11:22.33 | nordc | datenritter: can you give me a clue what to do? |
| 11:23.06 | datenritter | nordc: apt-cache search nvidia-glx |
| 11:23.22 | datenritter | install the ready-made kernel-module and that one |
| 11:23.34 | datenritter | as well as nvidia-xconfig |
| 11:23.35 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.36 | nordc | datenritter: i'll do it step by step |
| 11:23.55 | datenritter | nordc: of course, this works only with the original debian kernel |
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| 11:24.02 | datenritter | if you build one yourself, it won't |
| 11:24.14 | datenritter | i guess you know that already...? |
| 11:24.47 | nordc | datenritter: haven't found the nvidia-glx |
| 11:25.01 | datenritter | try dselect and search for it |
| 11:25.05 | datenritter | is should be there |
| 11:25.09 | datenritter | *it |
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| 11:26.28 | EricBlade | well, that's spiffy. |
| 11:26.36 | nordc | datenritter: what do you mean by deselecting it? |
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| 11:26.46 | EricBlade | solved the circular dependency using debootstrap to get a proper kernel, copied it to the existing install, booted it |
| 11:27.03 | datenritter | nordc: dselect is a packet manager tool |
| 11:27.06 | datenritter | like aptitude |
| 11:27.09 | datenritter | use whatever you like |
| 11:27.19 | datenritter | but there is a package nvidia-glx |
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| 11:27.48 | nordc | datenritter: i know that but don't know what exactly i should deselect |
| 11:28.09 | EmleyMoor | Don't "deselect" |
| 11:28.14 | aibo | hey |
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| 11:28.28 | EmleyMoor | Select (in your package chooser) nvidia-glx |
| 11:28.29 | nordc | gush, i'm stuck with this |
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| 11:29.02 | EmleyMoor | You know how to choose and install a package? |
| 11:29.15 | nordc | EmleyMoor, but i couldn't find it |
| 11:29.36 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Did you search? |
| 11:29.41 | nordc | yes |
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| 11:30.03 | nordc | apt-cache search nvidia-glx |
| 11:30.10 | EmleyMoor | No |
| 11:30.25 | EmleyMoor | Search in aptitude (or dselect or whatever you use) |
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| 11:31.34 | nordc | EmleyMoor: is nvidia-glx under graphics? |
| 11:31.43 | datenritter | use the SEARCH function |
| 11:32.05 | nordc | i'm using aptitude right now |
| 11:32.09 | EmleyMoor | You don't need to kn |
| 11:32.32 | nordc | guys, i'm lost |
| 11:32.34 | EmleyMoor | Type this in it: /nvidia-glx and enter |
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| 11:33.25 | EmleyMoor | (if you must sift rather than searching, it's in x11 - but searching is easy) |
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| 11:34.53 | nordc | EmleyMoor, I'm searching it thru aptitude |
| 11:35.06 | nordc | but nothing shows up |
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| 11:35.21 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Describe how you are doing it |
| 11:35.51 | nordc | aptitude # in a shell |
| 11:35.56 | EmleyMoor | ... |
| 11:36.04 | nordc | then, search in aptitude |
| 11:36.21 | nordc | nvidia-glx |
| 11:36.24 | macafe | Is possible configure one server debian to use credentials of one Windows Domain? |
| 11:36.26 | nordc | and nothing |
| 11:36.37 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Nothing? |
| 11:36.42 | nordc | no |
| 11:36.50 | datenritter | nordc: update? |
| 11:37.00 | nordc | i did that |
| 11:37.17 | nordc | i'll do it again |
| 11:37.36 | EmleyMoor | OK - search for asterisk - see if that is there (it should be but don't install it) |
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| 11:37.54 | EmleyMoor | (random package search just to see what's going on) |
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| 11:38.41 | datenritter | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.52 | EmleyMoor | If you still get nowhere we will sift for nvidia-glx |
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| 11:39.43 | EmleyMoor | datenritter: Quite amusing |
| 11:39.59 | anoHito | How do i understand the conception of the numbers from Load Average in linix world ? |
| 11:40.04 | anoHito | how do we...:) |
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| 11:40.39 | anoHito | i mean is there a standard for a certain of range for that number to come out a stable/fast server by any chance ? |
| 11:40.40 | datenritter | anoHito: read the wikipedia about "load" |
| 11:40.40 | pbn | Hi, any of you had problems of systems not starting in graphical mode after upgrading to linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 ? I get that with an HP machine... |
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| 11:40.52 | gmarselis | hello |
| 11:40.54 | blindy | im having issues installing exim4, something about update-exim4.conf.conf http://pastebin.com/m6f032de |
| 11:40.59 | nordc | pbn: i have it |
| 11:41.07 | deadbeef | hi there guys excuseme, i'm using debian squeeze but i made an error and removed my /etc/init.d/acpid file; could anyone send me one pls? |
| 11:41.09 | EmleyMoor | pbn: What graphics chipset does it have? |
| 11:41.12 | datenritter | pbn: check /var/log/xorg.0.log or something |
| 11:41.12 | anoHito | datenritter, good idea :( |
| 11:41.17 | pbn | nordc: ah :) ... thanks but... what is the solution ? |
| 11:41.18 | blindy | I think i need the default update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 11:41.41 | gmarselis | i got a dir with a couple of tens of millions of files. i need to find the median modification date for the files in that dir. what do i gogle for? |
| 11:41.44 | pbn | EmleyMoor: no idea.... I'm gonna do lspci... wait, the machine is on another floor.... |
| 11:41.46 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Have you found it yet? |
| 11:41.59 | nordc | pbn: i've got the same machine HP - i know it could be done by compiling the kernel but they say it's not necessary |
| 11:42.12 | datenritter | gmarselis: google for median and read "man ls" |
| 11:42.22 | nordc | EmleyMoor: no, i'm stuck |
| 11:42.31 | gmarselis | datenritter: danke |
| 11:42.37 | debsan | pbn, i had it too |
| 11:42.49 | EmleyMoor | nordc: OK, let's try sifting... what are the sections in your package list? |
| 11:42.54 | deadbeef | hi there guys excuseme, i'm using debian squeeze but i made an error and removed my /etc/init.d/acpid file; could anyone send me one pls? |
| 11:43.10 | datenritter | gmarselis: you might also want to use grep and some shell-programming to get the modification times into a format which you can calculate with |
| 11:43.18 | datenritter | erg, crappy english |
| 11:43.45 | datenritter | deadbeef: apt-get --purge remove acpid;apt-get install acpid |
| 11:43.52 | deadbeef | thanks a lot datenritter :D |
| 11:43.59 | nordc | EmleyMoor: admin, devel, doc, editors, games, graphics, interpreters, libs |
| 11:44.11 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Choose x11 |
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| 11:44.38 | deadbeef | datenritter: i'm getting this: invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/acpid not found. |
| 11:44.47 | nordc | EmleyMoor: OK |
| 11:44.50 | nordc | i'm in |
| 11:45.01 | nordc | it's about 80 packages down there |
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| 11:45.09 | gmarselis | datenritter: i thought so too: that there are no utilities that calculate statistical data for files. such utilities will be needed from now on. |
| 11:45.12 | EmleyMoor | nvidia-glx should be in non-free there |
| 11:45.17 | EmleyMoor | Is it installed? |
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| 11:46.07 | nordc | nope |
| 11:46.11 | nordc | there is no nvidia |
| 11:46.23 | deadbeef | hi there guys excuseme, i'm using debian squeeze but i made an error and removed my /etc/init.d/acpid file; could anyone send me one pls? |
| 11:46.26 | datenritter | deadbeef: sorry, i'm lost there, have to leave anyway. but i know there is a way to solve your problem. maybe someone else in this channel will help you soon... |
| 11:46.36 | EmleyMoor | nordc: I though you said you'd just located it in the list? |
| 11:46.43 | deadbeef | datenritter: thanks a lot anyway :D |
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| 11:46.53 | datenritter | deadbeef: oh, try to find out how to use dpkg |
| 11:47.10 | datenritter | it can search for files and tell you which package they belong to |
| 11:47.15 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Check the same part of the list of installed packages too |
| 11:47.16 | datenritter | you can also use the form on the debian website |
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| 11:47.24 | nordc | nope X11 section |
| 11:47.30 | datenritter | look if /etc/init.d/acpid is in the acpid package |
| 11:47.38 | datenritter | have to leave... bb |
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| 11:47.41 | deadbeef | bye :D |
| 11:47.48 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Is there any non-free? |
| 11:48.14 | gmarselis | ya it looks like the ls utilies need a feature request |
| 11:48.25 | nordc | it's section X11 and then--main |
| 11:48.52 | gmarselis | "list median creation/mod/access time for a list of files" |
| 11:48.59 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Just main? No contrib? No non-free? |
| 11:49.13 | nordc | no |
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| 11:49.20 | EmleyMoor | !non-free |
| 11:49.20 | dpkg | well, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 11:49.31 | nordc | no, i've got only in my apt main |
| 11:49.33 | EmleyMoor | !non-free sources |
| 11:49.33 | dpkg | i heard non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 11:49.50 | EmleyMoor | You need to do what dpkg just said |
| 11:50.00 | Empaligon | :P |
| 11:50.21 | nordc | EmleyMoor: I'll do it right now |
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| 11:51.07 | nordc | dpkg: can i have both of them? |
| 11:51.08 | dpkg | nordc: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 11:51.25 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Both what? |
| 11:51.27 | blindy | Starting MTA:Error: Unsplit config selected and /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template missing |
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| 11:51.30 | blindy | how do i get that file? |
| 11:51.52 | nordc | dpkg: both contrib non-free and main |
| 11:51.52 | dpkg | nordc: wish i knew |
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| 11:52.15 | EmleyMoor | nordc: That's not a both, it's an all three, and yes |
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| 11:52.37 | EmleyMoor | (no point having contrib without non-free and main is essential) |
| 11:52.37 | hrw | hi |
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| 11:52.44 | abchirk | hi |
| 11:52.52 | nordc | EmleyMoor: thanks, i'll set it up |
| 11:53.03 | EmleyMoor | (contrib is free software that depends on non-free) |
| 11:53.08 | abchirk | When I create a ext4 partition... and debootstrap lenny on it.. can lenny boot this? |
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| 11:53.25 | OpenTokix | Whats with the ext4 obesession? |
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| 11:53.52 | abchirk | its faster. :) |
| 11:54.09 | gmarselis | reiser4 > ext4 |
| 11:54.15 | gmarselis | it's a killer filesystem. |
| 11:54.24 | EmleyMoor | gmarselis: (!) |
| 11:54.30 | gmarselis | what? |
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| 11:54.35 | ootput | gmarselis: it kills this and that, yes |
| 11:54.40 | dboehmer | hello |
| 11:54.42 | hrw | wants to kill kernel-package maintainers |
| 11:54.50 | gmarselis | those dancing trees can be dead fast. |
| 11:54.54 | abchirk | reiser4 isn't 100% safe, right? _P |
| 11:54.55 | dboehmer | i have a binary installere here which should install a CRM software |
| 11:54.56 | ootput | hrw: but what would that accomplish? |
| 11:55.06 | dboehmer | it complains some pkgs are missing |
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| 11:55.19 | gmarselis | abchirk: reiser4 is not production ready, no. |
| 11:55.24 | dboehmer | please help me finding the right aptitute pkgs in order to get that software |
| 11:55.26 | abchirk | jo |
| 11:55.27 | hrw | ootput: maybe it will stop changing ;d |
| 11:55.38 | nordc | EmleyMoor: Ok , should I install anything before i'll try to find nvidia-glx thru aptitude? |
| 11:55.43 | dboehmer | which package provides "xlibs" and "xlibs-dev"? |
| 11:55.45 | gmarselis | abchirk: but it kills ext4 hands tied behind its back. |
| 11:55.54 | OpenTokix | isnt reiserfs put on indefinate hiatus? |
| 11:55.55 | gmarselis | abchirk: but it kills ext4 hans tied behind its back. |
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| 11:56.19 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Add contrib and non-free to the sources list, aptitude. press u. |
| 11:56.20 | abchirk | ext4 hans? oO |
| 11:56.22 | gmarselis | OpenTokix: it's pending probation |
| 11:56.23 | nordc | i mean before i try to do the search should i install anything? |
| 11:56.39 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Install no. Update yes |
| 11:56.48 | OpenTokix | jokes aside, didnt company backing it go backrupt? |
| 11:56.50 | nordc | EmlyeMoor: i did that |
| 11:57.11 | EmleyMoor | nordc: OK - now soarch for nvidia-glx |
| 11:57.12 | deadbeef | excuseme guys, what's the package containing /lib/init/rw/splashy/2-progress ? could anyone dpkg it pls? |
| 11:57.14 | EmleyMoor | search |
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| 11:57.25 | nordc | EmlyeMoor: i got them |
| 11:57.32 | nordc | i mean i see them |
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| 11:57.42 | EmleyMoor | OK - mark for installation |
| 11:57.44 | ootput | han kills behind back |
| 11:57.49 | nordc | OK |
| 11:57.54 | nordc | nvidia-glx? |
| 11:57.58 | EmleyMoor | Yen |
| 11:57.59 | EmleyMoor | Yes |
| 11:58.10 | valdyn | deadbeef: is pdo broken? |
| 11:58.29 | deadbeef | valdyn: what's pdo? |
| 11:58.35 | valdyn | !pdo |
| 11:58.35 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 11:58.47 | nordc | EmleyMoor: can you tell me how to clip them? |
| 11:58.52 | EmleyMoor | "clip"? |
| 11:58.59 | nordc | i mean select them |
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| 11:59.02 | EmleyMoor | + |
| 11:59.02 | gmarselis | joke went over everybody's head |
| 11:59.04 | nordc | lol |
| 11:59.13 | gmarselis | REISER IS A KILLER, FILESYSTEM |
| 11:59.17 | gmarselis | sheesh |
| 11:59.39 | EmleyMoor | gmarselis: I thought that was what you meant |
| 11:59.55 | gmarselis | EmleyMoor: well, it was all over slashdot last year :P |
| 12:00.00 | ootput | gmarselis: yes, we got it the first time |
| 12:00.05 | nordc | EmleyMoor: and then hit the enter? |
| 12:00.09 | ootput | you just weren't paying attention |
| 12:00.10 | gmarselis | ootput: did i kill you with it? |
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| 12:00.17 | deadbeef | excuseme guys, what's the package containing /lib/init/rw/splashy/2-progress ? could anyone dpkg it pls? |
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| 12:00.28 | ootput | dead set, no |
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| 12:00.35 | EmleyMoor | nordc: No need for enter... once all selected, hit g |
| 12:00.56 | gmarselis | ootput: i thought the delivery was knife-precision |
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| 12:01.07 | nordc | EmleyMoor: just nvidia-glx and hit g |
| 12:01.20 | Bagualas | im trying to install tomcat, it just doesnt start, can someone help me ? |
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| 12:01.30 | TheSarge| | Anyone know why my sustem would hang for like 10 secs everty boot at "Starting MTA:" |
| 12:01.32 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Have you marked it for installation? |
| 12:01.47 | nordc | EmleyMoor: yeah, they went green |
| 12:01.55 | EmleyMoor | OK. Hit g |
| 12:02.01 | TheSarge| | every* |
| 12:02.04 | ootput | gmarselis: no evidence of that |
| 12:02.34 | gmarselis | ootput: yeah, the joke was cold as a dead body |
| 12:02.44 | gmarselis | ootput: someone may be able to point to it though |
| 12:02.53 | valdyn | TheSarge|: is the mta exim4? |
| 12:02.57 | Neaai | Hi all. I need to have a postgresql server. One of the requisites of this server is "to create clusters". Now what could that mean? |
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| 12:03.33 | valdyn | TheSarge|: you need to minimise dns lookups, via "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" is thats the case |
| 12:03.37 | TheSarge| | valdyn: Yes when it is finally done it says exim 4 |
| 12:03.42 | ootput | gmarselis: reiser4 is a bloody mess |
| 12:03.57 | ootput | oki back to work |
| 12:04.01 | gmarselis | ootput: we can do this all day, can't we? :) |
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| 12:04.37 | nordc | EmleyMoor: i got them in the system |
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| 12:04.48 | TheSarge| | valdyn: bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 12:05.01 | ootput | gmarselis: yes. we must bury it quickly |
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| 12:05.28 | nordc | EmleyMoor: anything else I should do? |
| 12:05.28 | valdyn | TheSarge|: as root |
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| 12:05.32 | Nataliee | http://www.ihateyounatalie.com/?id=1426169 |
| 12:05.48 | gmarselis | 4chan > ihateyounatalie |
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| 12:06.08 | EmleyMoor | nordc: You could check you have the relevant nvidia-kernel package and also nvidia-xconfig |
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| 12:06.52 | nordc | EmleyMoor: would appreciate your help with that |
| 12:07.05 | gmarselis | i got to go kill a user |
| 12:07.11 | gmarselis | later |
| 12:07.21 | EmleyMoor | nordc: If you are still in aptitude, search for nvidia-kernel-2.6 |
| 12:07.56 | nordc | EmleyMoor: in what seciton? |
| 12:07.59 | nordc | graphics? |
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| 12:08.10 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Just use the search function |
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| 12:08.19 | nordc | sure |
| 12:09.11 | EmleyMoor | What processor is in your system? |
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| 12:09.56 | nordc | EmleyMoor: i have them in new packages marked with + |
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| 12:10.33 | EmleyMoor | nordc: What processor deos your system have? |
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| 12:10.43 | nordc | it's amd64 |
| 12:11.01 | EmleyMoor | nordc: And you are running an amd64 setup? Good... |
| 12:11.11 | nordc | yeah |
| 12:11.58 | EmleyMoor | Is nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 marked as installed? |
| 12:12.09 | deadbeef | wow natalie is hawt |
| 12:12.14 | nordc | EmleyMoor: i just don't understand why nvidia-glx is marked with - instead of + |
| 12:13.00 | nordc | EmleyMoor: A is ahead of the package and + after it |
| 12:13.02 | EmleyMoor | nordc: I don't understand - or + in aptitude - it's not what I would expect to see |
| 12:13.44 | EmleyMoor | nordc: OK - search for "nvidia-xconfig" |
| 12:14.00 | nordc | EmleyMoor, it's in that last column |
| 12:14.24 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Marked how at tdhe beginning of the line? |
| 12:14.39 | nordc | EmleyMoor: the end |
| 12:14.51 | EmleyMoor | Ah - that! I think it means "description is longer than line" |
| 12:15.18 | EmleyMoor | nordc: What letters are before nvidia-xconfig? |
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| 12:15.20 | pdg | hi, xrdp listens globally. how can i change it to only listen on 127.0.0.1? |
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| 12:15.51 | sylar | anyone know if xen need a special xen kernel for the guest? |
| 12:15.58 | nordc | EmleyMoor: at the beginning there is p |
| 12:16.21 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Put the bar on it and press + |
| 12:17.53 | nordc | EmleyMoor: OK, should i hit g as well? |
| 12:17.59 | petemc | sylar: for paravirt, yes |
| 12:18.02 | EmleyMoor | Yes, do so |
| 12:18.24 | nordc | EmleyMoor: it's installed |
| 12:18.58 | EmleyMoor | nordc: You should be good to go - you may need to run nvidia-xconfig - read its docs if needed |
| 12:19.34 | nordc | EmleyMoor: thanks a lot |
| 12:19.45 | nordc | in case of any problem i'll be back |
| 12:20.15 | ronr | a while ago someone used a php exploit to upload a hidden php file to use to do bad things to one of my servers, the exploit got fixed, but the hidden php remained, are there any known defenses against these kinds of attacks? |
| 12:20.35 | spook0 | don't install php? |
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| 12:21.01 | deadbeef | ronr: fix the code |
| 12:22.00 | ronr | deadbeef: it got fixed, but I never noticed the hidden file they created using the exploit |
| 12:22.01 | EricBlade | any suggestions on maybe a way to get around "Cannot upgrade udev from packages older than 0.098" or something along those lines? I completely removed the prior version and it's still not letting me |
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| 12:22.09 | nordc | EmleyMoor: can i use aptitude with apt-get interchangeably without any problems? - i like aptitude |
| 12:22.17 | deadbeef | ronr: you could monitor the filesystem, there are some sw that do that |
| 12:22.35 | deadbeef | manage checksum of files so you get when they are modified etc. |
| 12:22.41 | EmleyMoor | nordc: aptitude works on the command line like apt-get |
| 12:22.53 | EmleyMoor | nordc: Stick to aptitude, it's better |
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| 12:23.04 | nordc | EmleyMoor: i will |
| 12:23.12 | ronr | deadbeef: I'll google for that and read up on it, thx |
| 12:23.17 | EmleyMoor | nordc: You can do e.g. aptitude install crashme |
| 12:23.17 | deadbeef | np :D |
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| 12:23.33 | deadbeef | ronr: btw it's way simpler to fix the code or put apache in a chrooted enviroment |
| 12:24.01 | ranix | !why not aptitude |
| 12:24.01 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source". |
| 12:24.27 | EmleyMoor | I use aptitude, synaptic and apt-get where necessary |
| 12:24.46 | ranix | I use apt-get because it is never necessary to use anything else |
| 12:24.48 | valdyn | ronr: they got root? |
| 12:24.55 | valdyn | ronr: chroot isnt going to protect against that |
| 12:25.16 | ronr | valdyn: no, they got www-data |
| 12:25.46 | ronr | which was bad enough, but easily fixed once we figured out what was going on |
| 12:26.48 | ranix | ronr: there is no be-all fix for zero day vulnerabilities |
| 12:26.58 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: we told you already that you cannot skip releases when upgrading debian and that knoppix-> debian is unsupported |
| 12:27.04 | valdyn | oops |
| 12:27.06 | valdyn | EricBlade: ^^ |
| 12:27.21 | EmleyMoor | valdyn: I was going to say... |
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| 12:27.32 | ranix | proper file and user permissions will minimize damage, and chroot jails and honeypots can confuse and contain hackers |
| 12:27.50 | ranix | virtual servers are particularly useful in my experience for minimizing damage |
| 12:27.51 | nkuttler | EricBlade: and we told you about debootstrap, didn't we? |
| 12:28.15 | orochi_ | ranix: I wouldn't use a chroot to keep out a hacker :> Find one app with one bug that lets you break outside the chroot and goodbye server |
| 12:28.22 | valdyn | just assume you will get exploited and be prepard for that, if you run php apps |
| 12:28.24 | orochi_ | virtualization is a great idea on the other hand |
| 12:28.38 | ranix | orochi_: which is why I used the verbage "confuse" over something more harsh |
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| 12:28.42 | ranix | haha |
| 12:28.44 | ronr | we updated default permissions on virtualhost to at least get deny from all and default-handler on every dir that www-data can write to |
| 12:28.55 | ronr | s/and/or/ |
| 12:29.05 | orochi_ | ranix: :P Gotcha |
| 12:29.10 | EricBlade | valdyn: Nothing is "supported", so I don't find that particularly relevant. nkuttler: yeah, works great |
| 12:29.27 | valdyn | EricBlade: thats just wrong |
| 12:29.37 | valdyn | EricBlade: proper upgrading is supported, for free |
| 12:29.42 | mischief6 | oshi- http://distrowatch.com/ is broked :( |
| 12:29.52 | orochi_ | It _is_ possible to have a very secure PHP setup IMO, it's just that the defaults for PHP in most distributions are not very security friendly...add onto that the fact that it's really, really easy to write -bad- PHP code and it becomes a liability |
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| 12:30.58 | valdyn | orochi_: is debians? |
| 12:31.22 | valdyn | orochi_: i mean, are debians php defaults good or bad? |
| 12:31.23 | EricBlade | valdyn: If I wanted to know how to do a "proper upgrade" that was failing, and asked a similar question, I'd get a "go read the manual" response. |
| 12:31.47 | valdyn | EricBlade: if you encountered an unsupported udev version jump then you didnt do a proper upgrade |
| 12:32.00 | valdyn | EricBlade: i dont know more than that. |
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| 12:32.11 | nkuttler | EricBlade: so did you install a stable system? |
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| 12:32.23 | nordc | EmleyMoor: thanks a bunch for your help - it works! |
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| 12:32.48 | valdyn | EricBlade: and yea, the install guide isnt the worst place to start anyway |
| 12:33.20 | nkuttler | EricBlade: anything that involves testing or unstable isn't a "proper upgrade" anyway.. |
| 12:33.42 | valdyn | judd: versions udev |
| 12:33.43 | judd | valdyn: udev -- etch: 0.105-4 etch-security: 0.105-4etch1 lenny: 0.125-7 squeeze: 0.125-7 lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1 sid: 0.141-1 |
| 12:33.52 | valdyn | so 0.98 is like older than etch |
| 12:34.01 | valdyn | funny |
| 12:34.08 | valdyn | knoppix 5.0 ill wildly guess |
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| 12:34.20 | speakeasy | hello |
| 12:34.24 | jelly | EricBlade: you should first determine what debian release your system roughly corresponds to |
| 12:34.43 | jelly | valdyn: no need to guess: [12:13] <EricBlade> I'm currently upgrading an ancient knoppix 5.0 to unstable.. that'll take me somewhere up to ... lenny? |
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| 12:34.57 | valdyn | jelly: hehe, i knew |
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| 12:35.31 | EricBlade | valdyn: Someone who's never touched a computer would be better off figuring it out on their own than reading the worthless things called docs |
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| 12:35.40 | jelly | EricBlade: use versions of important packages (libc6, dpkg, apt) and /etc/debian_version to find that out |
| 12:36.03 | valdyn | EricBlade: thats silly |
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| 12:37.03 | jelly | EricBlade: after you figure out which version of "debian" you have, proceed to upgrading to the next released version of debian; eg if your system is between sarge and etch, you'd first want to upgrade to etch completely. |
| 12:37.23 | jelly | EricBlade: dist-upgrades don't support skipping releases |
| 12:37.30 | EricBlade | shrugs .. answer btw, is apparently tell aptitude to purge it, then install it |
| 12:38.07 | dboehmer | how long is debian 4.0-r8 supported? |
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| 12:38.24 | dboehmer | i've got a piece of software that does only support debian 3 or 4 |
| 12:38.29 | OpenTokix | seven yards |
| 12:38.34 | jelly | dboehmer: usually at least 12 months starting from the release of next debian. |
| 12:38.41 | valdyn | dboehmer: why does it only support debian 3 or 4 ? |
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| 12:39.02 | dboehmer | it has several binary dependencies of libs available in debian 4 |
| 12:39.06 | orochi_ | valdyn: I think Debian's are better than most, except for the fact that by default you would be storing all your PHP files under /var/www, including ones that potentially contain sensitive information...not good :> Best thing to do is to make a /var/www/html and set Apache to use that as your web root, then store any PHP files that contain e.g. database passwords in /var/www to separate them |
| 12:39.20 | nkuttler | 4 should be supported until next january or so |
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| 12:39.26 | dboehmer | i have just set up a debian 5 box and failed installing the software because several libs could not be found |
| 12:39.47 | shinnok | why does aptitude install without args try to install freebsd-manpages? |
| 12:39.53 | nkuttler | !tell dboehmer about errors |
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| 12:39.58 | valdyn | dboehmer: im sure you can fix that software's depends "by hand" |
| 12:40.01 | jelly | nkuttler: perhaps 2009-02-15 + 1 year |
| 12:40.03 | shinnok | seems like random action of some sort |
| 12:40.11 | nkuttler | jelly: something like that |
| 12:40.14 | speakeasy | Anyone: I'm running lenny (2.6.26-i686) just installed the other day, with apache, set up my dns and everything.. i was wondering if someone could halp me out.. i get the "It works!" page when i browse from localhost, and i have the computer on DMZ on my router, but other computers can't browse the page. I was wondering if lenny has a default firewall, if so, how to configure it to work with apache on port 80, or how to fix thi |
| 12:40.14 | speakeasy | s problem |
| 12:40.16 | valdyn | dboehmer: ..which is probably a good idea if you want to keep using it |
| 12:40.32 | Neaai | I have installed the postgresql 8.3.7 from the vanilla lenny repositories. Does it support the CLUSTER feature? (I'm very new with postgresql) |
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| 12:40.43 | Wyzard | shinnok: maybe you have a broken dependency and aptitude is trying to satisfy it |
| 12:40.52 | valdyn | dboehmer: binary softare that the vendor isnt updating anymore? why is it bound to old releases? |
| 12:40.53 | jelly | speakeasy: can other computers on your LAN access the web service? |
| 12:41.14 | jelly | speakeasy: (also: debian doesn't have a default firewall) |
| 12:41.17 | speakeasy | jelly: there are no other computers on the lan |
| 12:41.21 | shinnok | Wyzard: related to freebsd-manpages... :)) |
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| 12:42.03 | valdyn | speakeasy: programs can be configured to listen only on specific network addresses, your apache is probably bound to localhost only by default |
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| 12:42.20 | Wyzard | shinnok: or maybe you've somehow previously marked that package as "to be installed" but it's not actually installed yet, so aptitude is trying to carry out that action |
| 12:42.44 | valdyn | speakeasy: so you start by running netstat -plunt and watch where apache is listening |
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| 12:44.04 | dboehmer | valdyn: sorry for not answering. well, i am pretty sure my company doesn't want me to edit the code. the find it pretty important to get "professional" support and stuff... |
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| 12:44.25 | dboehmer | however, january is long enough in order to wait vor the next release of the software i want |
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| 12:44.29 | valdyn | dboehmer: so you cant fix the broken build scripts |
| 12:44.39 | dboehmer | i just wanted to go sure there is no lack of updates in the meantime |
| 12:44.40 | valdyn | dboehmer: that is true? |
| 12:44.47 | speakeasy | valdyn: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 12:44.51 | marsje_ | I have a very basic question... I use: tar cvzf archive.tar.gz folder/. Then 1st time it adds the files, but the second time it will only add the directory name and nothing else... what am I missing? |
| 12:45.10 | valdyn | speakeasy: ok, apache listening everywhere -> error not in debian |
| 12:45.11 | dboehmer | valdyn: this package is precompiled and the installer script says it can't find certain versions of libjpeg libpng xlibs etc. |
| 12:45.13 | shinnok | Wyzard: well that doesn't seem like it because i would have remembered if i wanted to install freebsd-manpages and first of all i would have had a reason to install it i guess and at the moment :) and freebsd-manpages to appears as a dependancy has a low probability too :)...anyways who knows... |
| 12:45.24 | speakeasy | okay |
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| 12:45.31 | dboehmer | valdyn: i am AFK for some moments, talking to some co-workers |
| 12:45.37 | shinnok | Wyzard: i know one for certain...that it happens on my sys an not on other debian installs |
| 12:45.37 | valdyn | dboehmer: maybe this is just a broken installer script uh? |
| 12:45.43 | Wyzard | shinnok: run aptitude in interactive mode and see if freebsd-manpages is selected for install |
| 12:46.10 | Wyzard | shinnok: If so, aptitude should show you whether it's being auto-installed or not, and if so, what depends on it |
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| 12:47.20 | valdyn | speakeasy: your apache server probably has no internet ip address -> your internet router needs to forward port 80 to the lan address of the apache server |
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| 12:47.46 | shinnok | Wyzard: Automatically installed: no |
| 12:48.01 | shinnok | Wyzard: anyways i installed it so i don't loose to much time with this :) |
| 12:48.17 | shinnok | Wyzard: might as well look some syscalls when im bored :> |
| 12:48.36 | Wyzard | shinnok: Was it highlighted in green? |
| 12:48.39 | speakeasy | valdyn: i have my lan ip dmz |
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| 12:48.54 | shinnok | Wyzard: i did aptitude show, i hate ncurses aptitude |
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| 12:49.13 | hulo | hello. is there a way to setup my own build flags (-j5 for my quadcore) for global builds, or just local builds? |
| 12:49.14 | ranix | speakeasy: dmzzzzz |
| 12:49.14 | valdyn | speakeasy: thats not making it reachable from the internets |
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| 12:49.50 | hulo | also, will calling gcc automatically know about cflags used to build the system? |
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| 12:50.09 | jelly | speakeasy: it's possible (and perhaps even likely) the dmz feature of your router doesn't work like you expect it to |
| 12:50.12 | Wyzard | shinnok: "aptitude show" doesn't show the auto flag for a package that isn't yet installed |
| 12:50.15 | shinnok | Wyzard: lol now i removed it(after installing) and it doesn't show anymore upon aptitude install w/o args |
| 12:50.26 | valdyn | speakeasy: think about it: how is your router supposed to guess that incoming traffic at port 80 needs to go to a specific ip in the lan. |
| 12:50.36 | jelly | speakeasy: it's also possible that it works, but your ISP blocks access to tcp/80 |
| 12:50.46 | shinnok | Wyzard: This aptitude does not have Super Crazy Cow Powers. |
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| 12:51.00 | Wyzard | shinnok: If you'd left it the way it was rather than just installing it, I could've helped you figure out what was going on |
| 12:51.25 | jelly | valdyn: that's what the common variety garden router dmz feature does; all unmanaged traffic gets natted to that particular host, as if it was directly on the internets |
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| 12:51.45 | Wyzard | shinnok: but you were more interested in a quick fix than in understanding the situation, so you've gotten what you wanted |
| 12:51.46 | valdyn | jelly: in a dmz that is only a single computer |
| 12:51.47 | speakeasy | valdyn: i told my router to send all incoming traffic to my masked ip |
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| 12:52.01 | valdyn | speakeasy: ok, so thats already done |
| 12:52.04 | jelly | valdyn: sure, and he only has a single computer anyway |
| 12:52.07 | ranix | speakeasy: I think you are going about this the wrong way. You are on a charter neighborhood IP block |
| 12:52.36 | ranix | speakeasy: your ISP is almost certainly blocking port 80 if you are connected to IRC from the same system your webserver is on |
| 12:52.50 | speakeasy | ranix: i am on the box now |
| 12:52.55 | shinnok | Wyzard: eh 10x anyway a fix it's still a fix no matter , sometimes you don't feel like spending 30 mins on lame tiny problems |
| 12:53.00 | ranix | speakeasy: your ISP is almost certainly blocking port 80 |
| 12:53.04 | ranix | speakeasy: try using 8080 |
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| 12:53.31 | ranix | speakeasy: like me, http://ranix.harbl.com:8080/ |
| 12:53.40 | speakeasy | ranix: they weren't blocking port 80 a month ago, worked fine in windows with apache, i just hate windows. |
| 12:53.40 | ranix | a fake url but you get the idea |
| 12:54.00 | speakeasy | yes |
| 12:54.06 | Wyzard | shinnok: That's how you learn all the little nuances that make you an expert :-) |
| 12:54.45 | shinnok | Wyzard: don't forget about better things to do in the meantime :) like building and making working the goddamn ntop :P |
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| 12:55.27 | shinnok | Wyzard: i do understand your point thought...but it's not valid in all of the situations i guess |
| 12:55.56 | Wyzard | shinnok: ntop seems to be packaged already, btw |
| 12:56.25 | shinnok | shinnok: doesn't seem to work very well on the system i tried apt-getting it so know i will give it a shot from source |
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| 12:56.49 | shinnok | Wyzard: !shinnok |
| 12:56.51 | shinnok | :) |
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| 12:58.39 | wsxws | hi all |
| 12:58.55 | wsxws | how to deinstall a broken program ? |
| 12:59.10 | hid3___ | Hello everyone. I've just had my new ISP installed. However, my old ISP still exists (I have their IP settings) and I'm running some services on my server which use old IP settings. Now when 2 ISPs are connected (default gateway is the new one) my services don't work. How can I make it so anything what comes from my.old.ip would be router through my.old.gw? I believe this is something with ip route ... command. |
| 12:59.55 | hulo | hello. is there a way to setup my own build flags (-j5 for my quadcore) for global builds, or just local builds? |
| 12:59.59 | jelly | hid3___: you'll have to use policy based routnig for that. One part of it is ip route, right. |
| 13:00.07 | wsxws | aptitude purge courier-pop does not work, it always tells me, that a configfile is missing. but thats exakt why i wanna remove it |
| 13:00.35 | nkuttler | wsxws: define broken |
| 13:00.36 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 13:00.36 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 13:00.49 | valdyn | wsxws: use confmiss the restore that config file, then purge it |
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| 13:01.31 | hid3___ | jelly, could you explain it more briefly? I'm noob here, sorry. I know just that I don't need to NAT anything cause both my IPs are public ;-) |
| 13:01.50 | jelly | hid3___: trying to find a decent reference |
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| 13:02.37 | hid3___ | Thanks, I'll try to... |
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| 13:05.51 | jelly | hid3___: I mean, I'm trying to find one, please stand by ;-) |
| 13:06.22 | jelly | hid3___: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.netfilter.html is almost what you want, but it has extra unnecessary bits |
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| 13:12.08 | hid3___ | jelly, thanks! |
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| 13:14.01 | XaeroOne | i just did aptitude update and at the end it showed +5 does that mean 5 new packages? I am running Lenny |
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| 13:19.20 | valdyn | XaeroOne: means +5 to whatever is before that |
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| 13:20.45 | XaeroOne | It says 7982 new +5, what does that mean? |
| 13:20.48 | valdyn | XaeroOne: and is relative to the value it had before you updated the packages lists |
| 13:21.08 | valdyn | XaeroOne: 5 more new packages |
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| 13:21.24 | XaeroOne | is there anyway to check which ones are new? |
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| 13:27.16 | valdyn | XaeroOne: aptitude show them in a section in text curses ui |
| 13:27.30 | valdyn | XaeroOne: aptitude should show them in a section in text curses ui |
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| 13:27.48 | XaeroOne | ok thanks |
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| 13:28.22 | kanon-mat | or in /var/log/aptitude ? |
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| 13:28.28 | valdyn | XaeroOne: read the description to that section btw |
| 13:28.32 | valdyn | kanon-mat: thats somethign else |
| 13:28.54 | kanon-mat | ok, theres so many logs :) |
| 13:29.16 | valdyn | kanon-mat: he just wants to see new additions to debian, not to his system |
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| 13:29.54 | kanon-mat | i got it |
| 13:30.06 | hulo | i've created my own package for urxvt (patch with included 256) from debian source. How do i tell apt not to keep on trying to update it? |
| 13:30.15 | \amethyst | !hold |
| 13:30.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 13:30.26 | hulo | is there a debian/ control file that i can bump the revision? |
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| 13:30.34 | \amethyst | hulo: debian/changelog |
| 13:30.42 | hulo | \amethyst: thanks |
| 13:30.54 | \amethyst | hulo: use dch from devscripts to add an entry, or edit it by hand |
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| 13:39.08 | hulo | \amethyst: thanks again |
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| 13:39.24 | hulo | is there a record of installed packages in order from most recent? |
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| 13:39.52 | the_sniff | cat /var/log/auth.log | grep -v 'IP' > /var/log/auth.log |
| 13:39.54 | the_sniff | whats wrong here? |
| 13:40.10 | the_sniff | i get the whole file emptied |
| 13:40.22 | module000 | the_sniff: -v |
| 13:40.23 | hulo | the_sniff: there's no results that don't have IP |
| 13:40.32 | anoHito | in use of grep,how to list with a time frame order ? |
| 13:40.42 | the_sniff | -v means anything that isn't that ip |
| 13:40.46 | the_sniff | the output is ok |
| 13:40.48 | anoHito | the latast events will be in the tail |
| 13:40.53 | the_sniff | its just when i output it to a file it's fscked |
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| 13:41.06 | module000 | the_sniff: how so? |
| 13:41.20 | the_sniff | cat /etc/hosts.deny | grep -v '217.132.209.184' |
| 13:41.22 | the_sniff | this gets me output |
| 13:41.39 | themill | the_sniff: the redirection clobbers the input file so there's nothing to cat |
| 13:41.52 | the_sniff | what's clobbers? |
| 13:41.58 | jetscreamer | overwrites? |
| 13:42.02 | hulo | literal meaning works |
| 13:42.04 | the_sniff | so what? |
| 13:42.08 | the_sniff | there's output |
| 13:42.23 | themill | the_sniff: > truncates the file to zero length *before* cat opens the file for reading |
| 13:42.29 | the_sniff | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 13:42.30 | the_sniff | lame :x |
| 13:42.32 | hulo | the_sniff: ^ |
| 13:42.38 | the_sniff | i just deleted the whole auth.log :/ |
| 13:42.44 | the_sniff | so whats the proper way to do that? |
| 13:43.01 | module000 | the_sniff: next time... "grep /var/log/auth.log -v 'IP' > /var/log/new.auth.log" |
| 13:43.08 | themill | the_sniff: http://wooledge.org:8000/BashPitfalls#cat_file_.7C_sed_s.2BAC8-foo.2BAC8-bar.2BAC8_.3E_file |
| 13:43.26 | jetscreamer | greycat strikes again |
| 13:43.33 | themill | of course... |
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| 13:43.55 | the_sniff | yeah why did i use cat anyways :s |
| 13:44.02 | hulo | cat in a nutshell |
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| 13:44.05 | jetscreamer | i think mwilson added a needed frature in #debian |
| 13:44.09 | jetscreamer | feature |
| 13:44.23 | the_sniff | btw, how is denyhosts still adding my ip after i deleted that and the whole auth.log? |
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| 13:44.29 | the_sniff | im logging in from another server now :s |
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| 13:45.25 | jetscreamer | !seen mwilson |
| 13:45.25 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'mwilson', jetscreamer |
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| 13:45.30 | jetscreamer | dang |
| 13:45.38 | liable | hes still banned |
| 13:45.51 | the_sniff | why is he still banned? who is he btw? :p |
| 13:45.53 | jetscreamer | last time it said like 2 years |
| 13:46.04 | jetscreamer | 2yrs ago he was seen |
| 13:46.25 | jetscreamer | he liked to suggest things in a very interesting way |
| 13:46.28 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 13:47.13 | jetscreamer | so the bot does forget you, eventually |
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| 13:48.26 | jetscreamer | thinks an mwilsonsmite would be useful |
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| 13:48.50 | jetscreamer | 'wtf do you want to do that, you idiot!' |
| 13:49.30 | criten | word |
| 13:49.42 | criten | upgrade to lenny, local login prompt goes missing *sigh* |
| 13:50.14 | themill | dpkg, be mwilson barbie |
| 13:50.14 | dpkg | What in the world does that have to do with barbie? Other than nothing, of course. |
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| 13:52.54 | sylar | what is the recommended high-availability & load-balancing solution for lenny? |
| 13:53.36 | ||arifaX | I am so full of emptyness :) |
| 13:54.52 | sylar | is full of pita and avocado |
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| 13:55.07 | carl_ | can anybody recommend a gui app to monitor snmp? |
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| 13:57.09 | dcnoye | is lenny stable ? |
| 13:57.25 | flavio | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.28 | Polarina | dcnoye: Yes. |
| 13:57.46 | dcnoye | wooo hooo!!! thanks Polarina ;) |
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| 13:58.08 | Polarina | dcnoye: It has been for quite a while now. |
| 13:58.09 | zinx | flavio: i'm not aware of any debian releases named "tiger" |
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| 13:59.46 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions tiger |
| 13:59.47 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: tiger -- etch: 1:3.2.1-35 lenny: 1:3.2.2-6 sid: 1:3.2.2-8 squeeze: 1:3.2.2-8 |
| 13:59.49 | jetscreamer | sylar: apt-cache search high availability returns some stuff |
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| 14:02.12 | sylar | jetscreamer, sure, but I would like to get recommendation from someone who does it, and maybe I am even better be using a package that isn't in lenny |
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| 14:02.25 | jetscreamer | dpkg> hmm... high availability is the High Availability Linux Project is loacated at http://linux-ha.org |
| 14:02.25 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
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| 14:02.31 | jetscreamer | sylar: i know nothing |
| 14:02.45 | sylar | np |
| 14:03.01 | jetscreamer | dpkg forget > hmm... high availability |
| 14:03.01 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called '> hmm... high availability' to forget, jetscreamer |
| 14:03.12 | jetscreamer | dpkg forget hmm... high availability |
| 14:03.13 | dpkg | jetscreamer: i forgot hmm... high availability |
| 14:04.17 | sylar | jetscreamer, it may also be that load-balancing != high-availability and I want both |
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| 14:04.50 | jetscreamer | i recokon you're talking cluster, but i know nothing |
| 14:04.54 | jetscreamer | reckon |
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| 14:05.03 | Llama | Hello. What is a true way to setup permissions on files in /proc |
| 14:05.16 | jetscreamer | heartbeat i think i heard of before |
| 14:05.29 | sylar | yes |
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| 14:06.40 | drw | someone have a sources.list for gnarwl package ? |
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| 14:07.08 | sylar | I was told about heartbeat, pacemaker, openais, and xen and openssi, just not all of them are in lenny, and it is kindof difficult to get what openais and pacemaker does |
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| 14:08.17 | jetscreamer | pacemaker - HA cluster resource manager for Heartbeat and/or OpenAIS |
| 14:08.22 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 14:09.25 | keith4 | what does the "rc" in "bashrc" stand for? |
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| 14:09.26 | jetscreamer | k yeehaa time to get ready for work :/ |
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| 14:09.52 | jetscreamer | keith4: if nobody answers you could also ask in #bash |
| 14:09.58 | keith4 | good call |
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| 14:10.44 | keith4 | i mean... bashrc is just one example. same for many other files |
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| 14:11.35 | carl_ | can anybody recommend a gui app to monitor snmp? |
| 14:12.18 | keith4 | cacti |
| 14:12.30 | keith4 | jetscreamer: yah, the bash guys knew. thanks! |
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| 14:13.00 | carl_ | keith4: but its webbased, i would like a desktop app, pref gtk? |
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| 14:13.13 | sylar | jetscreamer, pacemaker is not available in standard lenny, though it is possible that it is what I should use |
| 14:13.33 | keith4 | carl_: .... why? do you not understand how snmp works? |
| 14:13.35 | bluethundr | I I can telnet to localhost but when I telnet to ip I get this: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
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| 14:13.59 | keith4 | bluethundr: sounds like the service is bound to localhost only |
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| 14:14.10 | carl_ | keith4: perhaps not, but id like to monitor load, temp etc on a snmp enabled box, and have it displayed on my desktop |
| 14:14.19 | \amethyst | bluethundr: or that it's not in /etc/hosts.allow |
| 14:14.23 | bluethundr | ah ok. how do I fix that? sorry I am a very new admin. only on the job a week |
| 14:14.29 | bluethundr | ok.. I will have a look |
| 14:14.37 | jetscreamer | sylar: if you 'wanted' to there is the backport option, but i dunno if i'd want to be backporting in a public cluster... it's not my thing i know nothing |
| 14:14.38 | \amethyst | bluethundr: why are you installing a telnet server? |
| 14:14.50 | bluethundr | testing connection to a mysql database |
| 14:15.09 | \amethyst | oh, I thought since you didn't mention the port you meant actual telnet |
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| 14:15.25 | carl_ | bluethundr: is it listening to the interface, ie, have you changed my.cnf? |
| 14:15.27 | keith4 | carl_: so... you'd have to keep that app open 24x7 to gather data? that's why these things tend to be daemons, not GUI apps |
| 14:15.30 | bluethundr | I can show you the commadn I am trying |
| 14:15.52 | bluethundr | I have not changed the port that mysql is listening to in my.cnf |
| 14:15.56 | \amethyst | bluethundr: mysql doesn't use hosts.allow, so listen to keith4 and carl_, not me :) |
| 14:15.56 | keith4 | the debian-packaged mysql binds to localhost only, by default, doesn't it? |
| 14:15.58 | themill | !connection refused |
| 14:15.58 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 14:16.06 | themill | keith4: that's correct |
| 14:16.11 | carl_ | keith4: ok, i just wanted to be alerted if it crossed some given values, while i am sitting at my desktop |
| 14:16.15 | bluethundr | \amethist; gotchca, thanks!~ |
| 14:16.19 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.21 | carl_ | guess thats not the right tool for the job then :) |
| 14:16.22 | toshiba510cdt | i have 2 users on my laptop, myself and friend. myself was automatically added to the audio group and can play cds and access the mixer. however, i created the user friend today and even though this user is not a member of the audio group can play cs and access the mixer. what gives? |
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| 14:16.34 | jetscreamer | \amd<TABKEY> |
| 14:16.39 | jetscreamer | err ame |
| 14:16.47 | themill | !typosmite jetscreamer |
| 14:16.47 | dpkg | makes jetscreamer raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
| 14:16.54 | bluethundr | how do I get mysql to bind to the server's static ip as opposed to localhost? |
| 14:17.03 | hulo | how do i check to see what cron events are set to start? |
| 14:17.19 | OpenTokix | hulo: crontab -l; crontab -u <user> -l |
| 14:17.21 | OpenTokix | as root |
| 14:17.23 | hulo | i mean, how do i make sure cron.hourly and daily etc get run.. i just installed debian |
| 14:17.25 | module000 | bluethundr: by default it listens for connections from everywhere...but you ahve to authorize a user to connect to anywhere other than localhost |
| 14:17.26 | OpenTokix | first to see roots |
| 14:17.34 | keith4 | carl_: but you don't care if it melts down in the middle of the night, while you're away from your workstation? ;-) |
| 14:17.36 | keith4 | try nagios |
| 14:17.42 | OpenTokix | second to see users, then you have /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.* |
| 14:17.46 | hulo | OpenTokix: do those cron event run by root? |
| 14:18.22 | OpenTokix | hulo: depends what they say |
| 14:18.22 | OpenTokix | hulo: why do you ask? |
| 14:18.22 | keith4 | carl_: although, cacti is much easier to set up than nagios |
| 14:18.22 | carl_ | keith4: right, thats somebody elses problem, i just want a heads up if it starts acting strange |
| 14:18.22 | bluethundr | module000: thank u. I need mysql accessible from the stage server |
| 14:18.22 | bluethundr | ultimately that is what I am trying to solve |
| 14:18.22 | hulo | OpenTokix: just to ensure they're set to run is all |
| 14:18.34 | carl_ | keith4: we use nagios in our server hall, but this is just for a none critical box at the offie |
| 14:18.36 | carl_ | office |
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| 14:18.57 | themill | bluethundr: you need to edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf and look for the bind-address directive |
| 14:18.59 | module000 | bluethundr: go into your users table and add a user that can conect form that address. For example...in your users table, you will notice root(or SA) is probably listed only once..with "localhost" as it's host. you add another entry for a user with the remote_ip you want as it's host |
| 14:19.35 | bluethundr | module000: gotcha! thanks for the hint!!!!!!!! :) |
| 14:19.50 | themill | module000: that will be necessary once bluethundr's got mysql listening on something other than loopback |
| 14:19.51 | bluethundr | is ON IT!!! |
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| 14:20.33 | rkt | hi,i am getting this weird error |
| 14:20.47 | rkt | Setting up sun-java5-bin (1.5.0-14-1etch1) ... |
| 14:20.47 | rkt | Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
| 14:20.47 | rkt | dpkg: error processing sun-java5-bin (--configure): |
| 14:20.48 | dpkg | rkt: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 14:21.09 | hulo | OpenTokix: well, looking at /etc/crontab, it seems to need anacron.. which isn't installed on my system |
| 14:21.15 | hulo | what's the default cron manager? |
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| 14:22.04 | rkt | hi thsi is it |
| 14:22.06 | rkt | http://pastebin.com/m48b3872b |
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| 14:22.32 | OpenTokix | hulo: no |
| 14:22.40 | OpenTokix | hulo: it tests if anacron is installed, if its installed it does it |
| 14:22.52 | hulo | otherwise it doesn't, right? |
| 14:23.06 | hulo | so none of the default cron jobs get executed |
| 14:23.07 | themill | rkt: can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy ; dpkg -l libc6 sun-java5\* |
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| 14:23.42 | dboehmer | hi |
| 14:23.51 | OpenTokix | hulo: yes it does, by real cron |
| 14:23.54 | dboehmer | due to network problems during the install i have no mirror selected in sources.list |
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| 14:24.05 | dboehmer | how can i reopen the network mirror select dialog? |
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| 14:24.06 | hulo | OpenTokix: real cron? |
| 14:24.11 | OpenTokix | hulo: real cron runs and check if anacron is installed, then it simulates a red hat system |
| 14:24.25 | OpenTokix | by runnin cronjobs like... close to the time specified |
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| 14:25.18 | rkt | themill: http://pastebin.com/m44b44a5a |
| 14:25.36 | abrotman | dboehmer: you cannot .. |
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| 14:25.44 | themill | dboehmer: there's no way of doing so, you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list by hand easily enough (/msg dpkg mirros). Alternatively, /msg dpkg netselect-apt ; /msg dpkg apt-spy |
| 14:26.07 | nativeangels | hello ive installed debian lenny on my laptop with wine, but when i open the applications the pointer dosnt move on them |
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| 14:26.23 | nativeangels | its like the pointers underneath |
| 14:26.29 | edu1356 | and an external hard drive firewire 300 gb sata |
| 14:26.39 | dboehmer | themill: thanks for your reply. i have now copied one line from another box |
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| 14:27.21 | edu1356 | i wonder any help out install mac os tiger and debian |
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| 14:27.40 | alex1 | debian under mac os ? O_o |
| 14:27.44 | edu1356 | I do not have DVD players. only have the image iso mac os cd and debian |
| 14:28.10 | thnee | nigga plz |
| 14:28.11 | thnee | $ smbmount |
| 14:28.11 | thnee | Segmentation fault |
| 14:28.11 | edu1356 | first install debian and get mac os tiger |
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| 14:30.06 | bluethundr | cool. I now have the user accessing a sample database locally because I was able to grant him permissions to it |
| 14:30.25 | bluethundr | however, there's a new problem now. mysql-client won't launch from stage. this is what i get: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 14:30.27 | themill | rkt: can you pastebin the output of "apt-get -f install"? |
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| 14:30.34 | nativeangels | anyone here know why moust pointer not working with wine |
| 14:30.50 | bluethundr | all I did was an apt-get to install mysql-client and for some reason it won't start |
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| 14:31.29 | edu1356 | I do not have DVD players. only have the image iso mac os cd and debian |
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| 14:31.47 | rkt | themill: http://pastebin.com/m7e167fac |
| 14:32.07 | keith4 | edu1356: http://www.google.com/search?q=dual+boot+os+x+debian |
| 14:32.08 | themill | bluethundr: I'd take a guess you need to look at the --host option in "man mysql". |
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| 14:32.33 | bluethundr | themill: thank u I will have a look |
| 14:32.54 | themill | rkt: that doesn't look like the full output from that command. |
| 14:33.14 | rkt | lemme check |
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| 14:33.48 | rkt | themill: http://pastebin.com/m3b1b8ee2 |
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| 14:36.31 | edu1356 | appreciate any help on how to assemble a image iso of mac os from cmos, I think serious grub, but without assistance it is impossible |
| 14:36.36 | themill | !dbugs 390296 |
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| 14:36.40 | dpkg | DONE:#390296:I[sun-java5-bin] sun-java5-bin: Fails to install: "Could not create the Java virtual machine." (); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:18:17 UTC [] |
| 14:36.40 | edu1356 | I do not have DVD players. only have the image iso mac os cd and debian |
| 14:36.43 | themill | rkt: ^^ |
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| 14:37.09 | cusco | hi folks |
| 14:37.12 | rkt | ouch :) |
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| 14:37.26 | themill | rkt: are you limiting the memory available to processes? Or are you on a constrained memory machine? |
| 14:37.30 | abhinay | Hi ALL! :) |
| 14:37.36 | cusco | my mouse suddenly stopped working |
| 14:37.38 | rkt | themill: a vm actually |
| 14:37.42 | bluethundr | okay, I learned how to use the host option, but now this is what I get: mysql -uroot -p --host=192.168.1.9 |
| 14:37.42 | bluethundr | ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.9' (111) |
| 14:37.56 | cusco | there used to be a command to trace mouse movements |
| 14:38.01 | cusco | xsomthing |
| 14:38.09 | Zoup | bluethundr: no mysql is running on that server ro there is some sort of firewall ,restriction |
| 14:38.52 | bluethundr | zoup: ah, thanks. mysql runs no problem on the db server. and I have never explicitly configured iptables. so you think this may be an iptables issue? |
| 14:39.11 | Zoup | bluethundr: it might be if mysql is liteting on public ip address |
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| 14:39.26 | themill | bluethundr: have you configured mysql to listen on anything other than localhost yet? |
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| 14:39.30 | bluethundr | Zoup: nope! it's is listening on 192.168.1.9 |
| 14:39.31 | Zoup | bluethundr: *listening |
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| 14:39.49 | Zoup | bluethundr: then retry with iptables -F on server :) |
| 14:39.53 | bluethundr | themill: yep! I can grab the directive if you give me a moment |
| 14:40.04 | bluethundr | Zoup: ok... I will try that now |
| 14:40.10 | rkt | themill: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 14:40.10 | rkt | MemTotal: 524288 kB |
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| 14:40.16 | rkt | so thats it |
| 14:40.32 | bluethundr | I have a good firewall protecting the network as a whole. I can refine iptables strategy on the individual servers at a later date |
| 14:40.48 | nativeangels | can anyone here help me with wine ? |
| 14:40.49 | themill | rkt: you could try the sun-java6 packages from backports.org to see if that solves the problem or go and edit the postinst script |
| 14:40.57 | Zoup | nativeangels: what is your issue? |
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| 14:41.50 | nativeangels | ive just installed it on debian lenny, problem is the mouse pointer dosnt work, it remains on the desktop but not wine |
| 14:41.55 | dar__ | hi |
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| 14:42.08 | dar__ | is there a way to do a "low level format" of a hard drive with Linux ? |
| 14:42.13 | Zoup | nativeangels: is that issue with 'any' application? |
| 14:42.15 | bluethundr | no change after iptables -F and this is my bind-address = 192.168.1.9 |
| 14:42.16 | dar__ | i don't know what to use |
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| 14:42.33 | Zoup | dar__: you can use dd, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<device> |
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| 14:42.52 | nativeangels | everyting zoup |
| 14:43.28 | nativeangels | it shows on the toolbar at the top but not the aplication itself |
| 14:43.47 | themill | bluethundr: did you restart the mysql server after making that change? Can you see mysqld running and listening on 192.168.1.9 in the output of "netstat -pltn|grep :3306"? |
| 14:43.57 | dar__ | Zoup: is it a low level format ??? |
| 14:44.04 | \amethyst | dar__: most modern drives don't let you low level format; or do you mean zero out the disk and check for bad blocks? |
| 14:44.21 | nativeangels | any ideas how to fix Zoup |
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| 14:44.26 | Zoup | nativeangels: do you have single mouse device in xorg.conf ? |
| 14:44.39 | bluethundr | themill: I will check thanks. and no I did not restart the mysqld as someone is working there now. I only issued reload not restart. |
| 14:44.41 | Zoup | dar__: its not 'exactly' low level format, but result is the same |
| 14:44.43 | nativeangels | im not sure tbh |
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| 14:44.54 | nativeangels | im using a laptop |
| 14:45.04 | dar__ | Zoup: what does hddguru.com (hdd low level format) i need to do it to repair my usb device this is a known bug |
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| 14:45.20 | themill | bluethundr: no idea if reload is sufficient for that... it might be... Check netstat, that will answer the question in any case. |
| 14:45.44 | bluethundr | themill: thanks. checking. |
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| 14:46.04 | Zoup | dar__: dd will do |
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| 14:46.26 | \amethyst | dar__: they're almost certainly talking about zeroing the disk (like the dd command Zoup gave you) and creating a new partition table (which fdisk or parted will do) |
| 14:46.34 | dar__ | Zoup: for if should i use /dev/zero or /dev/null ? |
| 14:46.38 | bluethundr | themill: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 13653/mysqld |
| 14:46.52 | bluethundr | looks like I have to restart the daemon.. doing it now |
| 14:47.09 | dar__ | \amethyst: no after i don't have anything on the disk even the linux fdisk warn me that dis is 0x000 |
| 14:47.15 | Zoup | dar__: /dev/zero, /dev/null is receive only :)) |
| 14:47.36 | dar__ | zoup: so which one should i use ? |
| 14:47.43 | Zoup | dar__: /dev/zero |
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| 14:47.52 | dar__ | zoup: thanks i try it and tell you :) |
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| 14:48.05 | Zoup | dar__: it will take a while without any output, good luck :) |
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| 14:49.13 | nativeangels | so how do i get the pointer to work on wine |
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| 14:50.31 | Zoup | nativeangels: do you have single mouse device in xorg.conf ? |
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| 14:50.47 | jetscreamer | nativeangels: #winehq ? |
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| 14:51.48 | soa2ii | Hi there. What is the benefit of /etc/mailname? Why shall I use this file instead of hardcoding my postfix config? |
| 14:52.03 | jetscreamer | hardcoding is evil |
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| 14:52.28 | Zoup | soa2ii: to configure that once among other MTAs |
| 14:52.32 | \amethyst | soa2ii: so that if you switch MTAs it will keep working |
| 14:53.06 | hulo | hi guys, i accidentally deleted libdrm. how do i go through apt to see which package provides it? |
| 14:53.08 | \amethyst | also, because not just the MTA reads it |
| 14:53.08 | bluethundr | okay, making progress. mysql is now accessible from stage via the ip |
| 14:53.14 | bluethundr | however, now I get this error: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mydevguy'@'stage.alpha.myfoowebsite.com' (using password: YES) |
| 14:53.15 | soa2ii | OK... so in my case it has no benefit (: thanks (: |
| 14:53.17 | Zoup | hulo: packages.debian.org |
| 14:53.23 | jetscreamer | apt-file search hulo |
| 14:53.29 | jetscreamer | !apt-file |
| 14:53.29 | dpkg | methinks apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 14:53.38 | Zoup | bluethundr: see mysql 'grant' command documents |
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| 14:53.48 | bluethundr | Zoup: thank you. |
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| 14:54.08 | dboehmer | i have problems installing mysql-5.0 in debian etch |
| 14:54.19 | Zoup | dboehmer: what is your issue? |
| 14:54.25 | dboehmer | after installing the files apt wants to start the server and fails with error code |
| 14:54.34 | jetscreamer | lot of sql this morning |
| 14:54.39 | dboehmer | problem is i never configure mysql like giving the root pw |
| 14:54.48 | Zoup | jetscreamer: yeah :) |
| 14:54.48 | dboehmer | what i did: apt-get install mysql-server |
| 14:55.11 | dboehmer | i did already remove --purge mysql-common mysql-server and mysql-server-5.0 |
| 14:55.16 | Zoup | dboehmer: is mysql daemon cant be started? |
| 14:55.22 | dboehmer | yes |
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| 14:55.33 | dboehmer | seems reasonable to me as it has never been configured |
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| 14:55.49 | Zoup | dboehmer: please tail -f /var/log/mysql.err and start the server |
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| 14:55.52 | dboehmer | only when removing i am asked to remove all mysql databases or not |
| 14:56.52 | Zoup | dboehmer: you never need to reinstall a package to reconfigure that, dpkg-reconfigure is your friend :) |
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| 14:57.53 | dboehmer | Zoup: which pkg to dpkg-reconfigure? i have tried mysql-server and mysql-server-5.0 |
| 14:58.00 | dboehmer | both didn't ask any questions |
| 14:58.21 | dboehmer | daemon start fails but no error messages in that file |
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| 14:58.28 | bartmon | Hi! I have a headless debian server with an nvidia card and I have an old TV that is usable as a display. Am I going down the right path if I configure xorg.conf for only this display and then adding X/XFCE to some runlevel so I actually get an image? |
| 14:58.48 | bluethundr | GRANT ALL ON foo.* TO 'mydevguy'@'stage.alpha.myfoowebsite.com' IDENTIFIED BY 'PASSWORD'; |
| 14:58.49 | bartmon | Or is there a way that TVOut will be used since poweron? |
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| 14:59.02 | bluethundr | results in mysql -umydevguy -pmydevpasswd --host=192.168.1.9 |
| 14:59.03 | bluethundr | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'vimalg'@'stage.alpha.beezag.com' (using password: YES) |
| 14:59.13 | dboehmer | Zoup: any ideas? |
| 14:59.31 | mischief6 | i am having trouble with wget. it says it can't resolve the domain, but i can resolve it with dig? |
| 14:59.32 | module000 | bluethundr: from "identified by'password'" to "IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD('YOURPASSWORDHERE')" |
| 14:59.41 | Python1320 | find -print0 -type f \( -iname '*' ! -iname '*.lua' ! -iname '*.txt' ! -iname '*.vmx' ! -iname '*.vmf' ! -iname '*.bz2' ! -iname '*.sh' ! -iname '*tmp' ! -type d \) | xargs -0 bzip2 -k |
| 14:59.41 | Python1320 | Why the above doesn't work? I can drop the things after | and it doesn't print out anything bad but with bzip2 it goes wild and wants to pack everything |
| 14:59.50 | module000 | bluethundr: passwords aren't in plain text, you use PASSWORD("foo") |
| 14:59.58 | bluethundr | module000: great thanks. will do. |
| 15:00.09 | OpenTokix | Python1320: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:00.09 | bluethundr | module000: understood. |
| 15:00.23 | Python1320 | OpenTokix, pack all files recursively excluding those filetypes |
| 15:00.39 | nativeangels | can anyone else here tell me why i have no mouse pointer on applications opened with wine |
| 15:00.41 | nikosapi | Has anyone else noticed that samba's "force create mode" doesn't work in lenny's samba package? |
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| 15:00.58 | Zoup | dboehmer: i would suggest you to simply install mysql-server, it does not matter if it does ask questions or not |
| 15:01.07 | Zoup | dboehmer: start the daemon, check for /var/log/mysql.err |
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| 15:01.26 | dboehmer | i cannot start the daemon nor occur any error messages in mysql.err |
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| 15:02.00 | module000 | dboehmer: so /etc/init./mysql start.....does nothing? |
| 15:02.08 | OpenTokix | Python1320: fint /path/to/folder -type f ! -iname "*.lua" ! -iname "*.txt" ! -iname "*.vmx" -exec bzip -k {} ;\ |
| 15:02.12 | Zoup | dboehmer: asin init script dead when starting? |
| 15:02.30 | OpenTokix | Python1320: I didnt bother to write all extensions |
| 15:02.31 | dboehmer | i am a bit angry ATM |
| 15:02.36 | Python1320 | OpenTokix, yeahyeah :) |
| 15:02.38 | Python1320 | I will try |
| 15:02.40 | bluethundr | GRANT ALL ON foo.* TO 'mydevguy'@'stage.alpha.myfoowebsite.com' IDENTIFIED BY 'PASSWORD'('foo'); results in a syntax error |
| 15:02.41 | dboehmer | i am installing all of that in an ESX server... |
| 15:02.46 | OpenTokix | Python1320: try on a test-folder |
| 15:02.52 | Nwallins | i am using /var/local to store some data that multiple users need to be able to update. to that end, I plan to use group permissions on the subdir. Should I use an existing group, e.g. staff, or create a new one? or some other approach entirely? |
| 15:02.56 | Zoup | bluethundr: you are missing a ' ;) |
| 15:02.57 | OpenTokix | Python1320: bzip2 might see that a file is already compressed |
| 15:02.57 | module000 | bluethundr: take 'PASSWORD' out of quotations |
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| 15:03.15 | dboehmer | this silly machine is loosing connection all the time which means i lost CD or network during the install. this has cost me tons of hours in the last weeks! |
| 15:03.21 | module000 | bluethundr: grant all on foo.* to 'someone'@'somewhere' identified by password("yourpass"); |
| 15:03.21 | bluethundr | Zoup: sweet! |
| 15:03.29 | bluethundr | module000: on it!!! |
| 15:03.54 | amitz | has debian testing starts diverging from debian lenny? |
| 15:04.00 | Zoup | dboehmer: well, you better starting doing something useful then ;) |
| 15:04.13 | zinx | amitz: it starting doing that the day lenny was released |
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| 15:04.57 | Python1320 | OpenTokix, yeah seems to work |
| 15:04.59 | Python1320 | thanks |
| 15:05.16 | amitz | zinx: well, there were an announcement saying that works on new testing is freezed until lenny become stable or something to that effect.. |
| 15:05.33 | Zoup | amitz: lenny is stable now :) |
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| 15:05.51 | amitz | Zoup: I mean, after lenny becomes the new stable. |
| 15:06.10 | amitz | I guess putting it on |
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| 15:06.31 | zinx | amitz: lenny became the new stable as soon as it was released. |
| 15:06.39 | Zoup | see ya around peps |
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| 15:06.46 | amitz | I guess putting it another way, what's the best indicator of important packages that usually diverges? libc? |
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| 15:08.40 | OpenTokix | Python1320: np |
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| 15:09.07 | bluethundr | getting closer! but still no cigar: GRANT ALL ON foo.* TO 'mydevguy'@'stage.alpha.myfoowebsite.com' IDENTIFIED BY 'PASSWORD'('foo'); |
| 15:09.26 | module000 | bluethundr: take the ' away from PASSWORD |
| 15:09.55 | bluethundr | module000: pretty sure I tried that. I will try it again. I have tried things like twiddling quote marks and such but still no success |
| 15:10.01 | module000 | bluethundr: exactly like this...: GRANT ALL ON foo.* TO 'mydevguy'@'stage.alpha.myfoowebsite.com' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD('foo'); |
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| 15:10.15 | bluethundr | module000: thanks |
| 15:10.16 | helo | is there any way for me to install .debs of non-legacy nvidia drivers? |
| 15:10.27 | helo | using module-assistant, etc? |
| 15:10.45 | feld | anyone else here run SID and have their VTs stop working? chvt reports: Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console. /dev/tty* /dev/console are there; I dont understand what the problem at hand is. |
| 15:10.45 | module000 | helo: you just want to install a .deb? |
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| 15:11.55 | helo | module000: well, i don't mind doing more work if required |
| 15:12.14 | helo | but the .deb will usually work, where other methods sometimes don't, or are difficult to undo |
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| 15:12.44 | helo | although i guess the reason i'm doing this is that the currently available .deb version didn't work heh |
| 15:13.05 | bartmon | Hey! How can I figure out the current runlevel? |
| 15:13.34 | scientes | is there any program that uses debtags? |
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| 15:13.55 | module000 | helo: I'm not sure what you're asking...but to install a .deb file... dpkg -i <yourfile.deb> |
| 15:14.26 | helo | module000: sorry, i was asking if there is a newer version of the nvidia binary driver available through aptitude |
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| 15:14.52 | amitz | is upgrade from stable to testing is suppose to be smooth? |
| 15:15.24 | bluethundr | okay. I copied and pasted the command in after substituting appropriate values and am still getting syntax errors |
| 15:15.25 | scientes | i want to see all packages with admin::monitoring |
| 15:15.27 | bluethundr | GRANT ALL ON foo.* TO 'mydevguy'@'stage.alpha.myfoowebsite.com' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD('foo'); |
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| 15:15.30 | scientes | and i have no idea how to do that |
| 15:15.35 | module000 | helo: I don't know...you could look and see the version number |
| 15:15.56 | module000 | bluethundr: what error? |
| 15:15.56 | bluethundr | you can assume anywhere you see values like foo or mydevguy real values are substituted |
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| 15:16.29 | bluethundr | ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '('foopass')' at line 1 |
| 15:16.45 | themill | scientes: debtags search admin::monitoring |
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| 15:18.27 | module000 | bluethundr: try GRANT ALL ON foo.* TO mydevguy@'stage.alpha.myfoowebsite.com' IDENTIFIED |
| 15:18.46 | module000 | 'foo'; ...it's been awhile. notice that i didn't quote the username |
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| 15:19.01 | bluethundr | module000: on it... thanks |
| 15:20.22 | bluethundr | module: I tried it with quotes around foo.* and without. quotes around mydevguy and without.. |
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| 15:21.29 | module000 | bluethundr: I don't see why you should be getting an error.... "grant all on foo.* to user@'host' identified by 'password" is valid.... |
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| 15:21.53 | bluethundr | module000: okay I will try it one more time |
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| 15:26.12 | bluethundr | mysql> GRANT ALL ON foo.* TO mydevguy@'stage.alpha.foo.com' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD('foo'); |
| 15:26.12 | bluethundr | ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '('foo')' at line 1 |
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| 15:27.16 | stew | bluethundr: use just: identified by 'foo' |
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| 15:27.21 | lepassive | Hi i was moving a file to a dir in a NTFS partition, the light went off, now i get Input/Output Error when doing any mv, rm on that directory any help? |
| 15:27.35 | bluethundr | stew: ok, I'll try that. |
| 15:27.37 | nativeangels | can anyone tell me why i get no cursor when i open applications with wine |
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| 15:28.23 | bluethundr | stew: nope! :( |
| 15:28.41 | module000 | bluethundr: sorry i wasn't payign attention..problem solved |
| 15:28.57 | amitz | nativeangels: wine of debian lenny? |
| 15:29.08 | nativeangels | yes |
| 15:29.13 | nativeangels | i installed it |
| 15:29.14 | module000 | bluethundr: you have already created this user with "CREATE USER 'foo'@'host.blah.com' IDENTIFIED BY 'password'"....right? |
| 15:29.24 | nativeangels | but when i open anything theres no cursor |
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| 15:29.46 | nativeangels | amitz |
| 15:29.52 | amitz | nativeangels: but does it works (the application)? Back background? |
| 15:29.54 | stew | bluethundr: wierd, works for me: http://paste.debian.net/34211/ |
| 15:29.54 | themill | bluethundr: does this database machine have a webserver already installed on it? |
| 15:29.59 | module000 | bluethundr: first you create the user, then you "grant all somedb.* to 'foo'@'host.blah.com'"; |
| 15:30.12 | bluethundr | module000: yes I have. I can access the database when I log onto the db machine locally |
| 15:30.21 | bluethundr | stew: thanks, having a look |
| 15:30.26 | disposable | i'm installing lenny on a machine with i2o raid. grub-installer fails when i try to use it from the installer's menu. how do i force it to install onto /dev/i2o/hda from a console? do i need to be chrooted in the target? |
| 15:30.35 | nativeangels | wine works yes, but anything i open theres no mouse pointer on the wine window, but its still on the desktop |
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| 15:30.45 | module000 | bluethundr: then give it a grant like this..."GRANT ALL ON yourdb.* to 'youruser'@'yourhost' WITH GRANT OPTION;" |
| 15:30.46 | amitz | nativeangels: I mean, is the cursor invisible on textbox with black background? |
| 15:30.46 | bluethundr | themill: no apache on db. why would that be needed? |
| 15:31.00 | nativeangels | theres no cursor at all |
| 15:31.00 | bluethundr | module000: on it |
| 15:31.20 | nativeangels | but its still on the desktop |
| 15:31.43 | themill | bluethundr: I was just going to suggest using a nice clicky interface for this (phpmyadmin) to save you some agony. |
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| 15:32.12 | bluethundr | themil: thanks! I do use phpmyadmin on my personal website |
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| 15:32.29 | nativeangels | amitz |
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| 15:33.21 | amitz | see if it's related to wine bugs about invisible cursor on black background. That's the only think I know. |
| 15:33.57 | nativeangels | and how do you fix that amitz |
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| 15:34.29 | nativeangels | it basically like a pc with no mouse, amitz |
| 15:34.44 | amitz | nativeangels: there is a patch on that bug repot, but if I'm not mistaken the patch is untested yet. |
| 15:35.02 | amitz | nativeangels: well, I don't know about that then. |
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| 15:36.43 | amitz | nativeangels: btw, does it actually crash? or no mouse pointer at all? |
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| 15:37.05 | nativeangels | no mouse pointer at all |
| 15:37.13 | amitz | crash as in freezed. |
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| 15:37.36 | nativeangels | it works but just no mouse pointer at all |
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| 15:38.28 | amitz | nativeangels: to be continued on #winehq |
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| 15:41.34 | r0bert0 | hello guys |
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| 15:44.19 | r0bert0 | I have installed lenny in a personal server and I have created a new ssl certificate for my apache2 web server. but I obtain this error message in the browser "ssl_error_rx_record_too_long". I have tested several browser with the same result, and I have tested another certificates from other machine that work correctly with the same error message. Moreover, I have read about this error and I have found that it is due to a problem with the imple |
| 15:44.23 | bluethundr | is making progress!!! |
| 15:44.54 | bluethundr | okay things are looking up. that last grant worked. however, going back to stage and accessing the db from there produces this result... mysql -umydevguy -pdevguypass --host=192.168.1.9 |
| 15:44.54 | bluethundr | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mydevguy'@'stage.alpha.foo.com' (using password: YES) |
| 15:45.51 | sepult | bluethundr: ?? |
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| 15:46.37 | module000 | bluethundr: does the mysql server resolv the stage's IP to actually be "stage.alpha.foo.com"? |
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| 15:47.58 | bluethundr | module000: I believe so. I can ssh to stage by simply typing ssh stage |
| 15:48.09 | bluethundr | I will try by full url now |
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| 15:49.59 | jpinx-eeepc | is there not some way I can get last.fm to play without having my browser open? I use vlc on lenny |
| 15:50.17 | module000 | jpinx-eeepc: last.fm is flash right? probably not |
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| 15:50.57 | jpinx-eeepc | module000: it's playing music in iceweasel , but not flash afaik |
| 15:51.24 | module000 | jpinx-eeepc: you have flash in iceweasel :P |
| 15:51.59 | jpinx-eeepc | sure |
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| 15:52.21 | nikosapi | the correct email address for submitting bugs is submit@bugs.debian.org, right? |
| 15:52.32 | gigo | I am running fsck command on /dev/sdb1 and I get this error: fsck: fsck.vfat: not found |
| 15:52.35 | gigo | please help |
| 15:53.01 | jpinx-eeepc | gigo: looks like it's a vfat partition |
| 15:53.15 | jpinx-eeepc | or are you typing fsck.vfat ? |
| 15:53.17 | gigo | jpinx-eeepc, that's right. so how do I do a fsck on this? |
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| 15:53.28 | keith4 | you need dosfstools |
| 15:53.44 | gigo | thanks. installing. |
| 15:53.49 | bluethundr | I can ssh to stage.alpha.foo.com no problem |
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| 15:53.57 | keith4 | sighs |
| 15:53.58 | keith4 | the more I am forced to use CentOS at work... the more I appreciate debian |
| 15:54.06 | Hydroxide | sympathizes :) |
| 15:54.07 | jpinx-eeepc | gigo: afaik fsck does not check vfat fs's |
| 15:54.11 | gigo | keith4, why? |
| 15:54.22 | gigo | jpinx, yes, I am installing dosfstools, then it will check vfat fs's. |
| 15:54.22 | bluethundr | the more he is forced to use windows at work the more he appreciates debian |
| 15:54.38 | jpinx-eeepc | gigo: at least not natively - you might be able to add something to make it happen |
| 15:54.41 | keith4 | gigo: because I hate jpackage |
| 15:54.50 | keith4 | and RPM |
| 15:55.02 | gigo | what are the advantages of deb over jpackage and RPM? |
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| 15:55.46 | keith4 | gigo: because on debian, I can just say "apt-get install sun-java6-jdk tomcat" and be DONE in 5 minutes |
| 15:55.49 | module000 | gigo: well if you use debian....which you should be if you are asking in #debian: because that's what debian uses. |
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| 15:56.01 | keith4 | on centos, this is a painful process that takes me hours to figure out |
| 15:56.31 | gigo | keith4, I think OSes with rpms offer yum to do the same thing. isn't it? |
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| 15:56.48 | keith4 | gigo: no |
| 15:57.01 | keith4 | that's the whole point of jpackage. this crap isn't packaged by the distro |
| 15:57.08 | gigo | module000, yes, I use debian. I landed upon debian via this route : Fedora > Ubuntu > Debian and I love Debian now. never liked anything so much. |
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| 15:58.35 | smr-0b34 | Hi folks! Anyone here with blank screen after recent upgradein unstable? |
| 15:59.00 | smr-0b34 | (macbook pro, ither with VESA or radeonhd drivers....) |
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| 15:59.16 | keith4 | !unstable |
| 15:59.16 | dpkg | i guess unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq><apt-listbugs><apt-listchanges>. |
| 15:59.31 | keith4 | !break |
| 15:59.31 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see <ben break>, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 15:59.48 | gigo | I am curious then. who uses unstable in this case? |
| 15:59.49 | jelly | keith4: that's old |
| 15:59.55 | keith4 | shrugs |
| 16:00.26 | jelly | gigo: people wanting to catch and help fixing bugs |
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| 16:04.34 | treb0r | can't beleive the forums have gone. i feel bereft now |
| 16:04.46 | treb0r | I hope they come back soon ;-( |
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| 16:05.43 | gigo | which forums treb0r |
| 16:06.00 | treb0r | the debian user forums.... |
| 16:06.31 | avu | "the" forums? there are official forums? |
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| 16:06.46 | treb0r | there a link to a thread on the lists explaining why here: http://forums.debian.net/ |
| 16:06.56 | avu | ah, .net |
| 16:07.06 | avu | that's a bit less dissapointing then I guess :) |
| 16:07.08 | treb0r | they're not exactly official, but almost... |
| 16:07.30 | treb0r | I really enjoyed those forums, quite a high signal to noise ratio |
| 16:08.27 | treb0r | they should be official imho - much better than the ubuntu forums anyway |
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| 16:10.30 | Manoj | to become oficial, there have to be DD's willing to do the work |
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| 16:11.33 | Manoj | I find forums a royal pain, I cant easily set my own scoring mechanisms, I can kill whole threads, or kill followups to an author I diskie, I can't score people low, but still see their posts on high value threads |
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| 16:12.07 | Manoj | all the specialized handling and tailoring of the posting stream that ahs been perfected over the decades is lost on the forums |
| 16:12.10 | avu | The fact that there is no threaded view to begin with is enough to disregard it IMHO |
| 16:12.13 | treb0r | Manoj: fair enough, but for those who do like'em, they are a valuable resource |
| 16:12.39 | Manoj | treb0r: then thepeople who like them need to find a DD intheir midst willing to do the work |
| 16:13.19 | treb0r | yes, agreed |
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| 16:13.39 | Manoj | more than one DD would actually be needed to make it work, in my opinion; the load will be too high for one person |
| 16:13.52 | treb0r | yes, I think that's right |
| 16:14.23 | treb0r | there was a tips and tricks forums that was particularly useful. I came to rely on it. I guess there is always the google cache |
| 16:14.32 | Manoj | and there you have it. so far, as far as I know, no one has stepped up |
| 16:15.03 | Manoj | me, I find the debian-user mailing list on gane to be fairly high signal |
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| 16:15.38 | Manoj | I read gmane usign Emacs+Gnus, but one can read them using a browser |
| 16:15.56 | Manoj | that way, you do not need to subscribe to the lists |
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| 16:16.11 | Manoj | if you use a newsreader with gmane, you get all the control you need |
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| 16:16.55 | Manoj | there is also the lurker web interface to the archives of the mailing list, but that is read only |
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| 16:18.25 | jelly | but the learning curve for mailing lists and usenet is a bit steep; a forum with a nntp backend would perhaps work better for newbies |
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| 16:19.27 | Manoj | so how does the gmane web interface notqualify? |
| 16:19.35 | jelly | it's read only. |
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| 16:19.48 | Manoj | you do not have to think of it as a mailing list with a web interface, think of it as a forum |
| 16:20.03 | Manoj | ah, I overlooked that |
| 16:20.19 | enouf | reads lkml stuff archived at gmane.org because lkml.org's web interface is a piece of fucken crap |
| 16:20.40 | Manoj | (I've never done more than take a cursory look at gmane web, assumed it allowed psoting) |
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| 16:21.24 | enouf | load up links2, or w3m, or any other ; and hop to it ;-) |
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| 16:22.05 | jelly | Manoj: it did, but the authorization process was way complex |
| 16:22.37 | Manoj | Oh? |
| 16:22.46 | jelly | Manoj: basically it just needs some UI love |
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| 16:23.23 | jelly | I remember lkml people hating posts originating from gmane ;-) |
| 16:23.37 | norbert_ | Debian Lenny; added my user to group scanner, xsane still not working properly; what to do |
| 16:24.07 | norbert_ | and why didn't the QA team of Debian find this problem |
| 16:24.24 | Manoj | norbert_: did you start a new session? does groups show you are in the scanner group? |
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| 16:24.33 | norbert_ | I know I can do chmod a+rw -R /dev/bus/usb/ but that's just ridiculous |
| 16:24.49 | norbert_ | yes: ren:/home/norbert# cat /etc/group|grep scanner |
| 16:24.49 | norbert_ | scanner:x:115:saned,norbert |
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| 16:25.04 | norbert_ | how can this happen? |
| 16:25.11 | norbert_ | what did the QA team do? |
| 16:25.13 | Manoj | norbert_: that is not what I asked |
| 16:25.17 | norbert_ | didn't they test xsane? |
| 16:25.24 | Manoj | norbert_: group | grep scanner |
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| 16:25.40 | Manoj | err, groups | grep scanner |
| 16:25.54 | norbert_ | that has no output |
| 16:25.56 | enouf | i guess the tables have turned because even linus sobs like a little school girl when he tries reading/following/using lkml |
| 16:26.09 | themill | norbert_: [17:24] <Manoj> norbert_: did you start a new session? does groups show you are in the scanner group? |
| 16:26.12 | Manoj | norbert_: so your current process predates you adding yourself to the group |
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| 16:26.27 | Manoj | norbert_: so you need to stat a new xterm or login session |
| 16:26.50 | Manoj | norbert_: just changing /etc/groups does nothing to the kernel data structures for your current process |
| 16:26.56 | norbert_ | that doesn't seem to have any effect |
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| 16:27.06 | enouf | logout and login |
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| 16:27.14 | enouf | or man newgrp |
| 16:27.15 | themill | norbert_: you'll need to log out and log back in. Not just start new new xterm. |
| 16:27.21 | Manoj | norbert_: until group | grep scanners yeids a result, sane will not work |
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| 16:27.26 | norbert_ | logout of X? |
| 16:27.31 | norbert_ | why? |
| 16:27.32 | Manoj | norbert_: logging out and logging back in usually works |
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| 16:27.43 | enouf | cause this isn't windows |
| 16:27.48 | Manoj | norbert_: if you want sane towrok |
| 16:27.56 | Manoj | to work, even |
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| 16:28.16 | norbert_ | ok, I do like Debian and I've been using Linux only for 13 years now |
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| 16:28.26 | norbert_ | but why can't Debian make xsane work after an update to Lenny? |
| 16:28.29 | norbert_ | what's up with that? |
| 16:28.38 | themill | norbert_: a friendly hint if you want help in the future: ask questions first, see what the replies are. If there is a bug, then ask why is the bug there. Ranting about QA while demonstrating that you have little clue isn't going to get you very far. |
| 16:28.43 | norbert_ | didn't anyone test xsane after the update? |
| 16:29.03 | norbert_ | yes, that's the usual reply |
| 16:29.07 | norbert_ | I'M the problem |
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| 16:29.18 | norbert_ | that's a Slashdot thread about that; check it out |
| 16:29.20 | Manoj | norbert_: xsane works. you justr need to be in group scanner |
| 16:29.29 | Manoj | norbert_: you obviously are not yet in the group |
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| 16:30.16 | norbert_ | anyways, thanks for the help; I'll ctrl-alt-backspace my X now |
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| 16:33.15 | enouf | hrm; from file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html "saned \n Added by sane-utils, but appear to be unused." |
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| 16:33.54 | Ace2017_- | is atime changed every time a file is read? even for a quick grep? |
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| 16:34.03 | Ace2017_- | i'm wondering if it was a good idea to use noatime |
| 16:34.07 | jelly | Ace2017_-: yes |
| 16:34.08 | enouf | yerp |
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| 16:34.29 | jelly | mount -o remount,ignorequickgreps / |
| 16:34.31 | enouf | Ace2017_-: i use noatime on my / FS, no issues (ext3) |
| 16:34.40 | enouf | heh |
| 16:34.55 | Ace2017_- | so why is atime used? |
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| 16:35.02 | enouf | oh brother |
| 16:35.13 | Ace2017_- | does xfs not support errors=remount-ro? |
| 16:35.13 | jelly | Ace2017_-: "why" or "where"? |
| 16:35.18 | enouf | go find the threads about it - some mail apps used it |
| 16:35.39 | enouf | xfs does it's repairing differently |
| 16:35.48 | jelly | postfix uses it for ETRN |
| 16:35.51 | Ace2017_- | ah |
| 16:36.05 | enouf | mutt atleast used to use atime, IIRC |
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| 16:36.29 | jelly | yeah, but who uses mutt regularly anyway |
| 16:36.42 | enouf | anyone who wants a decent mail app? |
| 16:36.45 | avu | I do :( |
| 16:36.53 | jelly | enouf: thunderbird works |
| 16:37.00 | enouf | ugh ... more bloat |
| 16:37.12 | Ace2017_- | scary when an encrypted partition you just moved huge archives of files to refuses to mount, i used remount-ro with jfs before so i thought xfs would like it too |
| 16:37.14 | themill | relatime works nicely too |
| 16:37.18 | jelly | enouf: that decent app can't even search thru more than one current folder at a time |
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| 16:37.32 | Ace2017_- | enouf: does it mean that errors in xfs will go unnoticed since the filesystem doesn't magically become readonly |
| 16:37.37 | enouf | that's what find is for ;-) |
| 16:37.50 | jelly | no? |
| 16:37.57 | Ace2017_- | why not locate? |
| 16:38.19 | enouf | locate has exclusions via default |
| 16:38.33 | enouf | and it implies updatedb ran recently |
| 16:38.54 | Ace2017_- | do you know why xfs doesn't like: errors=remount-ro? |
| 16:38.57 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm having some difficulties getting a lenny environment that sends all email the it generates to a given email address through a given smart host. Someone helped me yesterday that got me to the point where jae@localhost is sent out properly, but root, root@localhost, and jae is not. This was done through /etc/mailname, and /etc/aliases. But this isn't working as I need it to yet. I've written a test script that should be generating good inform |
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| 16:39.22 | enouf | Ace2017_-: not sure about xfs ... and how it handles it, i just know it's different from following discussions about it here - i have yet to use xfs personally |
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| 16:39.39 | Ace2017_- | i need xfs back because jfs doesn't have a defrag tool |
| 16:39.58 | enouf | so use ext3 and noatime/relatime |
| 16:39.59 | jelly | Ace2017_-: is it listed under xfs in "man mount"? |
| 16:40.03 | enouf | since you asked about that |
| 16:41.05 | enouf | cognitiaclaeves: your message was truncated at "... inform..." |
| 16:41.35 | Ace2017_- | but ext3 doesn't have a defrag tool either |
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| 16:42.07 | avu | Ace2017_-, just don't fill your fs up more than ~75%, then you won't really need such a tool anyway |
| 16:42.10 | cognitiaclaeves | be generating good information for the task that I'm trying to set up: http://paste.debian.net/34222 |
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| 16:42.24 | jelly | Ace2017_-: when are you using defrag? |
| 16:42.27 | Ace2017_- | avu: thats the dumbest thing ever, i don't want to waste disk space |
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| 16:42.52 | Ace2017_- | jelly: when i have very little disk space left on an archived filesystem before its made readonly |
| 16:43.04 | Ace2017_- | about 3GB |
| 16:43.11 | Ace2017_- | free |
| 16:43.24 | avu | Ace2017_-, how is that dumb with current hd prices? I've been doing that for as long as I am using ext3 basically, and it works perfectly |
| 16:43.27 | Ace2017_- | since there are no files anywhere near 3GB in size |
| 16:43.31 | jelly | Ace2017_-: mhm. you know, I've no idea what an archived filesystem is. |
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| 16:44.06 | jelly | tends to optimize for human time spent, not disk usage |
| 16:44.10 | Ace2017_- | jelly: thats what i called partitions that are mounted readonly so i can access the data but i never modify, i want to protect them from corruption so its readonly |
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| 16:44.23 | jelly | Ace2017_-: do you have backups? |
| 16:44.24 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 16:44.42 | Ace2017_- | no, i don't know how to back up something as big as 1TB |
| 16:45.04 | edwin_quijada | I am listin apache in two ports 80 and 10000 but when I try to go to port 10000 I get an error about it doesnt find the page |
| 16:45.14 | Ace2017_- | raid+mdadm verify is my backup i guess |
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| 16:45.45 | jelly | Ace2017_-: tapes. Drives are expensive but the media is reasonably cheap and mostly reliable. |
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| 16:46.33 | DarkUranium | uhm |
| 16:46.46 | DarkUranium | is there any way to set the desktop res by console? |
| 16:46.52 | Ace2017_- | yes |
| 16:46.53 | avu | DarkUranium, xrandr(1) |
| 16:46.53 | jelly | Ace2017_-: as for ext3, it's defrag is done with backup; mkfs; restore :-) |
| 16:46.54 | Ace2017_- | xrandr |
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| 16:47.03 | DarkUranium | some damn app has set my res to 640x480, and I can't change it back (can't see the OK button in the cpanel) |
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| 16:47.30 | daun | use TAB |
| 16:47.36 | daun | and Enter |
| 16:47.41 | Ace2017_- | DISPLAY=:0 xrandr ... |
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| 16:48.08 | DarkUranium | daun: I tried |
| 16:48.22 | daun | guess then hit enter :P |
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| 16:48.25 | Ace2017_- | DarkUranium: try DISPLAY=:0 from tty1 |
| 16:48.34 | DarkUranium | okay, got it back |
| 16:48.36 | DarkUranium | >_< |
| 16:48.42 | DrIDK | hi all! Where can I ask a request for create a package ? I want a debian package for http://www.box2d.org/. Here the source : http://download.tuxfamily.org/gluon/Box2D/Box2D_v2.0.1-cmake-TODEB.tar.gz . But the CmakeList source need to be configure . |
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| 16:49.16 | Ace2017_- | DrIDK: what is it? |
| 16:49.28 | Ace2017_- | you could make yourself a deb with checkinstall |
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| 16:49.45 | DrIDK | Ace2017_-: a 2d physics engine |
| 16:50.07 | Ace2017_- | opengl? |
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| 16:50.23 | DrIDK | Ace2017_-: no! only compute library |
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| 16:50.51 | themill | dpkg: tell DrIDK about rfp |
| 16:50.53 | DrIDK | Ace2017_-: But it can be use with openGL! The demo of Box2D is so pretty |
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| 16:51.14 | themill | DrIDK: file a request for packaging and/or mention it on the debian-science mailing list to see if someone is interested in it |
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| 16:51.44 | jelly | themill: how does one file a rfp? |
| 16:52.15 | DrIDK | themill: arg... I need to substribe on mailing list ? Can somebody do that for me ? |
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| 16:52.19 | Ace2017_- | !wnpp |
| 16:52.19 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 16:52.26 | Ace2017_- | there you go |
| 16:52.36 | themill | DrIDK: no subscriptions required for either. |
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| 16:52.39 | jelly | Ace2017_-: I've read that page. It doesn't naswer the question. |
| 16:53.35 | themill | jelly: I'm voting that the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. |
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| 16:53.48 | Brack10 | can I check dpkg's status somehow? I think it might be locked up insalling this package |
| 16:53.58 | dob1 | hi, i have postfix installed as local mail server on a pc, i want to setup a pop3 server to read the mails of the users on the pc with the mail server, what i need for this? |
| 16:54.07 | dob1 | all these on lan |
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| 16:55.05 | Ace2017_- | Brack10: you could try dpkg -l packagename to see its status |
| 16:55.54 | jelly | themill: One still has to dig thru to figure out it's a "RFP" one needs to submit |
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| 16:56.49 | Brack10 | Ace2017_: It's "failed config" |
| 16:56.50 | themill | jelly: one does? reportbug asks you what type and gives you the list as shown on the screenshot on that page. |
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| 16:57.05 | themill | jelly: plus I had already mentioned that it was an RFP |
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| 16:57.57 | armence | Hey all, I just installed debian on my computer and I wanted to know if there is any way I can make it boot in CLI and only go to GNOME when I type startx |
| 16:58.01 | jelly | themill: nope, I did. :-) |
| 16:58.23 | themill | jelly: [17:50] <themill> dpkg: tell DrIDK about rfp |
| 16:58.45 | jelly | themill: oh goodie |
| 16:58.52 | themill | so dpkg did, really.... |
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| 16:59.15 | cognitiaclaeves | What is the easiest way to set up a lenny server to route all of it's mail (and no other mail) to a specific email address and through a given smart host? |
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| 17:03.55 | jelly | !dbugs 496991 |
| 17:03.58 | dpkg | #496991:W[wnpp] ITP: box2d -- 2D physics engine for games (pending); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:30:01 UTC [] |
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| 17:05.40 | themill | !win jelly |
| 17:05.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 17:06.02 | jelly | DrIDK: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/prospective says it's apparently being worked on, so you can ping that person or that bug report. |
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| 17:07.22 | jelly | (or read it to the end and find it's been abandoned) |
| 17:08.20 | themill | jelly: well, it was marked "pending" a couple of weeks ago, so something is probably happening in the games team |
| 17:08.29 | themill | perhaps, maybe, if we're lucky |
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| 17:08.52 | jelly | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=32;bug=496991 |
| 17:10.03 | jelly | so it's in NEW |
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| 17:11.08 | jelly | themill: I didn't even notice that update |
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| 17:15.19 | dZen|n| | do some of you have dreambox with gemini image and cam soft ? |
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| 17:20.18 | cognitiaclaeves | Need help with redirecting mail: http://paste.debian.net/34227 I don't even want to run a mail server. I don't understand why it's so hard to get server messages sent to an email address... |
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| 17:21.33 | Crazy_Hopper | hi there! does anybody have a clue why general virtual kernel packages are still kept in 2.6.26 state when there are no .26 kernels in unstable? |
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| 17:25.21 | stew | Crazy_Hopper: i'd guess becuase there isn't a newer working alternative on all arches yet |
| 17:25.21 | Ace2017_- | hi all, its very strange but linux-image-2.6.29-1-amd64 is trying to upgrade, its not possible to upgrade the kernel thats currently in use is it? |
| 17:25.35 | stew | Ace2017_-: yes, i tis |
| 17:25.40 | Ace2017_- | it is? |
| 17:25.44 | Ace2017_- | do i have to reboot asap? |
| 17:26.14 | abrotman | Ace2017_-: you probably should .. it's a security fix |
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| 17:26.33 | Ace2017_- | the cache poisoning thing? |
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| 17:28.03 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm running two boxes with one controlling both. I'm using ssh-x and have some applications on the 2 boxes but all controlled from the local boxes screen & kbd. When I try to start iceweasel in the local box it always starts a remote box instance - even though I use a local terminal screen and type firefox & Can anyone tell me how to get the local box to start it's own instance of iceweasel? |
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| 17:29.04 | Ace2017_- | abrotman: what security fix? http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.29-3/changelog |
| 17:30.28 | Ace2017_- | jpinx-eeepc: maybe if you made a symlink to firefox and executed that? |
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| 17:31.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Ace2017_-: ok - I'll try that |
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| 17:35.27 | nativeangels | anyone here familier with wine |
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| 17:35.32 | Tenkawa | Anyoe aware of a workaround/fix to make the current lic6 work in guests on a 2.6.9 virtuozzo hosts |
| 17:35.50 | Tenkawa | er libc6 |
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| 17:37.10 | Tenkawa | well bummer |
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| 17:39.52 | Tenkawa | no ideas/workaround eh? |
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| 17:42.03 | abrotman | Ace2017_-: sorry .. non-ABI change .. new build |
| 17:42.47 | Ace2017_- | so i don't need to recompile the kernel module? |
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| 17:46.20 | Ace2017_- | is there an easier way to remove deps other than to unpack the deb, edit control and remake the dep? something like a single line command that could do it? |
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| 17:46.46 | mralecs | hello ... i'm encoutering slow wireless connection with debian lenny ... much slower than windows ... does anyone know what could be the problem ? |
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| 17:46.56 | mralecs | my router is secured using wpa2/tkip |
| 17:46.57 | Ace2017_- | not a single line command that extracts edits control and remakes it but a program that usually does this |
| 17:47.07 | valdyn | mralecs: try modifying the rate manually |
| 17:47.19 | _ry | i'm trying to compile something on a new debian 5 64 system and getting some errors http://pastie.org/456044 .. i have lib32stdc++6 install though |
| 17:47.26 | valdyn | mralecs: like iwconfig wlan0 rate 54 or somesuch |
| 17:48.03 | feitingen | hi, i upgraded X, and now all video playback is broken except svgalib/aalib. where do i kill intel? |
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| 17:48.28 | Tenkawa | _ry: sounds like its looking for a 32 bit when it needs 64 bit of the library or reverse |
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| 17:49.13 | valdyn | mralecs: current rate is listed in iwconfig, sometimes the automatic rate control does not work properly in some drivers |
| 17:49.15 | _ry | i agree - but i have both versions installed. |
| 17:51.15 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: iceweasel --help : -no-remote Open new instance, not a new window in running instance. |
| 17:51.38 | _ry | adding /emul/ia32-linux/lib to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH doesn't help either.. :/ |
| 17:51.44 | sylar | is it possible to have two sets of packages on the same HD? |
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| 17:51.59 | mralecs | valdyn: this is what iwconfig shows Bit Rate:54 Mb/s |
| 17:52.06 | abrotman | sylar: in the same OS? |
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| 17:52.25 | cognitiaclaeves | so *no one* here has ever had the need to have their Linux servers send email to a central email address through a smart host? Am I really the only one that keeps having this issue come up, across just about every linux installation I've run across? What am I doing wrong, then? |
| 17:52.35 | sylar | I want to try OpenSSI which downgrade the kernel, and udev, and still be able to reboot and use my usual system |
| 17:52.37 | valdyn | _ry: you need to have the cross compiling stuff installed and also use gcc -m32 |
| 17:52.50 | sylar | abrotman, ^ |
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| 17:53.10 | abrotman | sylar: that seems like a bad idea |
| 17:53.11 | valdyn | mralecs: ok, thats probably your maximum then |
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| 17:53.17 | mralecs | 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 60898ms |
| 17:53.18 | sylar | (in case OpenSSI wont work) |
| 17:53.22 | mralecs | to google.com |
| 17:53.28 | abrotman | sylar: why not fix openssi? |
| 17:53.29 | _ry | valdyn: i'm using -m32 what's the cross compiling stuff? |
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| 17:53.51 | valdyn | _ry: use apt-cache search |
| 17:54.07 | sylar | abrotman, I need something for production |
| 17:54.20 | valdyn | _ry: you dont seem to be using m32 |
| 17:54.22 | abrotman | sylar: chroot? vm ? |
| 17:54.27 | valdyn | _ry: maybe you just think you are using it |
| 17:54.41 | valdyn | _ry: err nm |
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| 17:54.54 | sylar | abrotman, yes, but still I will need a second whole copy of everything |
| 17:55.00 | valdyn | _ry: maybe the build system of whatever you are trying to build is doing stupid things, thats possible too |
| 17:55.21 | _ry | possible. :) |
| 17:55.36 | sylar | abrotman, so I ask if there is a way to fork the HD and where it is same that both will use the same files |
| 17:55.37 | abrotman | sylar: i personally wouldn't try what you're suggesting .. i'd use a vm or chroot |
| 17:55.38 | valdyn | _ry: why arent you building 64-bit ? |
| 17:56.22 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: i do what you want |
| 17:56.25 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: it works for me. |
| 17:56.38 | _ry | valdyn: it doesn't support it |
| 17:56.39 | sylar | I think some snapshot are writable |
| 17:56.41 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: i wanted you to try something yesterday: |
| 17:56.52 | sylar | may have good performance (?) |
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| 17:57.19 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: exim4 -bt jfoobar@foobar.com |
| 17:57.20 | nativeangels | i need help with my wine setup |
| 17:57.21 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Did I miss a message from you? I thought I followed everything you wanted me to try? |
| 17:57.41 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: nah, i found that afer you were gone already |
| 17:57.43 | sylar | abrotman, given a good writable snapshot I could make two snapshots and use one for the VM and one for the regular OS |
| 17:58.01 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: iceweasel still opens the remote instance over ssh -x |
| 17:58.17 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: I wrote those checks in after I talked to you. This is the output of the script I have now: http://paste.debian.net/34227 |
| 17:58.20 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: even when using -no-remote ? |
| 17:58.40 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: yep |
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| 17:59.25 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: hmm, last we talked the name and addressing aliasing worked, but you got "Unroutable address" |
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| 17:59.56 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: my bad - typo - it works - thanks:) |
| 18:00.00 | abrotman | sylar: i suppose .. better than your first idea i think |
| 18:00.04 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Yes, I changed it back to be routeable again, but I can make the change you suggested and get unrouteable results. :p |
| 18:00.14 | nativeangels | can anyone tell me why the mouse pointer would dissapear in wine ? |
| 18:00.29 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: yea i want to see the exim4 -bt jfoobar@foobar.com to figure why its unroutable |
| 18:01.20 | jaggz- | does evolution display anything to identify whether a message body has been stored locally or not? (using IMAP, and I just turned on my Inbox folder(s) to store messages locally) |
| 18:01.32 | nativeangels | can anyone help |
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| 18:01.36 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: as i see it we had aliasing right mostly at least |
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| 18:02.16 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: i could show you my config, but as far as i can see its just like yours, and it works |
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| 18:04.02 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: There's probably a subtle change in a little thought-of config file somewhere on your machine that differs... |
| 18:04.16 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: probably |
| 18:04.23 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: nothing fancy though |
| 18:04.51 | subsume | screen seems to lock up randomly... but I think its still running. maybe i'm just editing a non-visible screen? |
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| 18:05.42 | subsume | I got out of it somehow, but I dunno how. |
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| 18:05.57 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/34231 |
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| 18:12.48 | jaggz- | I have evolution's "show only subscribed folders" on, but all the homedir files/folders are still showing. |
| 18:12.53 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: you can send to different addresses with that setting? |
| 18:12.59 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: i guess nothing is routable? |
| 18:14.29 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: It's interesting that all the emails are translated what appears to be correctly... but that the address is just seen as unrouteable, after that change. |
| 18:14.45 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: yes indeed |
| 18:14.54 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: thats why i wonder if any address is routable |
| 18:15.25 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: What is your hostname in that file? |
| 18:15.31 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: because i wonder if exim4 is taking itself as a smarthost now |
| 18:15.51 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: hmm? which file? |
| 18:15.56 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: That's not really what I want, is it? |
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| 18:16.06 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: certainly not |
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| 18:16.46 | cognitiaclaeves | well, I only know the file as /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 18:17.03 | cognitiaclaeves | ( I don't know where the contents of the file ultimately go.. ) |
| 18:17.11 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: is the smart host also "foobar.com" ? |
| 18:17.35 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: I really don't know. |
| 18:17.43 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: that is set at the same file: dc_smarthost='mail.valdyn.org' |
| 18:18.29 | cognitiaclaeves | Oh.. you mean the entry? No, it's an internal IP address. |
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| 18:19.00 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: dc_eximconfig_configtype='satellite' ? |
| 18:19.09 | cognitiaclaeves | yes. |
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| 18:19.47 | jaggz- | is there a place to chat about Evolution (mail client)? |
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| 18:20.27 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: ok, i think i found it |
| 18:20.41 | OpenTokix | jaggz-: #darw.... nevermind |
| 18:20.44 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: we "fixed" domain name aliasing via /etc/mailname right? |
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| 18:20.58 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Yes. |
| 18:21.09 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: thats not what i do |
| 18:21.21 | cognitiaclaeves | ah. |
| 18:21.39 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: for some funny reason i get @empty despite my mailname being full though |
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| 18:22.07 | valdyn | dc_readhost='foobar.com' |
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| 18:22.46 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: ^^^ is setting my @domain.tld |
| 18:22.46 | cognitiaclaeves | so, what do you have your mailname set at? |
| 18:22.54 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: valdyn.org |
| 18:23.16 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: dc_readhost='valdyn.org' |
| 18:23.23 | cognitiaclaeves | well, that's similar to my mailname being set to foobar.com ... |
| 18:23.51 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: yea, similar |
| 18:23.58 | cognitiaclaeves | I have readhost and other_hostnames both set to foobar.com. |
| 18:24.19 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: ok - /etc/mailname is used when dc_hide_mailname='true' is not true |
| 18:24.40 | cognitiaclaeves | ok. Well, that is currently set to 'true'. |
| 18:25.23 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: that means dc_mailname_in_oh='true' is there too |
| 18:25.35 | cognitiaclaeves | yes. |
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| 18:25.51 | gigo | i want to burn the Debian .iso CD download from Debian site into my CD |
| 18:25.59 | jaggz- | In Evolution FAQ: 1.2.1 Why cannot I reset word wrap setting for outgoing mails at 72 characters? |
| 18:26.06 | lillis | gigo: what OS are you in? |
| 18:26.12 | gigo | debian |
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| 18:26.31 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: http://paste.debian.net/34233/ |
| 18:26.39 | gigo | dd if=debian-501-i386-CD-1.iso of=/dev/cdrom is correct command? |
| 18:26.39 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: i cant see you mistake vs that one |
| 18:26.52 | Hydroxide | gigo: one program I like to use for that is k3b (it's a KDE app). if you want a command-line one, check out wodim |
| 18:27.02 | gigo | dd command is not okay? |
| 18:27.03 | Hydroxide | gigo: you can't dd directly to a CD-ROM. |
| 18:27.08 | Hydroxide | gigo: (but you can DD from it) |
| 18:27.13 | gigo | ok |
| 18:27.22 | gigo | something using gnome menu? |
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| 18:27.42 | Hydroxide | gigo: I know gnome has one - I don't know what it's called. brasero rings a bell in my head, but someone else can give you that answer. |
| 18:27.53 | lillis | try right-clicking the file |
| 18:27.56 | simonrvn | brasero, yes |
| 18:28.04 | lillis | could be a burn cd option, not sure... long since I used gnome |
| 18:28.13 | simonrvn | works purdy good too |
| 18:28.26 | simonrvn | don't need gnome with it, iirc. lemme check. |
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| 18:28.59 | lillis | gigo: or if you prefer doing it in a terminal, apt-get install cdrecord |
| 18:29.06 | simonrvn | yeh, has gconf and othe gnome-related deps.... |
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| 18:29.20 | gigo | i think if we right click the .iso file we get an option |
| 18:29.33 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/34234 there's mine. |
| 18:29.50 | Hydroxide | lillis: not cdrecord currently ... wodim. |
| 18:29.58 | lillis | ah |
| 18:29.59 | Hydroxide | lillis: (licensing issues with upstream ... long story) |
| 18:30.06 | lillis | how about burn? |
| 18:30.06 | Hydroxide | lillis: though there is a dummy transition package, apparently |
| 18:30.10 | simonrvn | wodim would work fine too ;). |
| 18:30.23 | Hydroxide | lillis: wodim is a licensing-problem-free fork of cdrecord |
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| 18:30.31 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: otherhostnames is different... |
| 18:30.47 | stew | though cdrecord is aparantly being relicensed, now that opensolaris is threatening to drop it |
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| 18:31.16 | cognitiaclaeves | ... but perhaps more importantly, relaynets is set. |
| 18:31.48 | ovnicraft | hi i am new, i want to load a especific module, where i can do it? |
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| 18:32.02 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: If no relay nets are specified, does that mean that exim4 only relays mail from 127.0.0.1? |
| 18:32.07 | ruied | I'm making a USB pen ( vmlinuz and intitrd from hd-media ftp) with debian and ubuntu, I have grub working fine and initrd and vmliuz for both installers. But debian and ubunto will search for the first iso file they found, so debian initrd could try to load first the Ubuntu.iso installer. Does anyone knows where is the script inside initrd that searches for *.iso file ? so I can change it to debian__blahblah.iso |
| 18:32.15 | simonrvn | ovnicraft: in a terminal |
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| 18:32.28 | ovnicraft | simonrvn, by default when booting |
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| 18:32.47 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: dc_local_interfaces, so yea, i guess |
| 18:32.53 | simonrvn | no default... /etc/modules ; one per line |
| 18:32.55 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: but mail -s would use sendmail, not smtp |
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| 18:33.05 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: Sorry.. that was supposed to be relay domains... but nevermind... this looks like you are set up to relay from anyone in your private net, though. |
| 18:33.07 | ovnicraft | simonrvn, i have probs with 8139too |
| 18:33.07 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm not. |
| 18:33.26 | ovnicraft | now give a kerneloops messages when login |
| 18:33.28 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: yea, i can remove that, i dont need it, lets see |
| 18:34.06 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: That would imply that you have exim to be set up to be a smart host and are specifying how it can relay. |
| 18:34.52 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: i removed those 2, its just leftovers anyway |
| 18:34.59 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: doesnt change a thing |
| 18:35.35 | cognitiaclaeves | ... and (not to insult you), you reconfig'ed and restarted the exim server? |
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| 18:35.47 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: yes |
| 18:35.56 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: update-exim4.conf and restart |
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| 18:35.57 | cognitiaclaeves | can you post your new file? |
| 18:36.03 | person2 | What's the modern way of upgrading Debian? aptitude dist-upgrade/ |
| 18:36.18 | loafers | I installed openbox and I have to startx manually everytime i boot. Is there a way to do it automatically without installing a dm? |
| 18:37.00 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: http://paste.debian.net/34236/ |
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| 18:37.32 | ovnicraft | why debian dont load by default 8139too? |
| 18:37.48 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: verify that "dig mx foobar.com" still works ok |
| 18:38.01 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: or just dig foobar.com, if theres no mx |
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| 18:38.45 | ovnicraft | i added alias eth0 8139too in /etc/modprobes.d/aliases but nothing happens |
| 18:38.45 | ovnicraft | dont load it |
| 18:38.45 | ovnicraft | anyone can explain me more about that |
| 18:38.52 | ovnicraft | i added it also in /etc/modules |
| 18:38.55 | ovnicraft | same prob |
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| 18:39.30 | justin | ovnicraft: why do you think that it is not being loaded? |
| 18:39.49 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: is your /etc/mailname still at foobar.com btw? |
| 18:39.58 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: dig mx foobar.com report the IP that I'm using as the smarthost server. |
| 18:40.11 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: yes. |
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| 18:40.34 | ovnicraft | justin, i have a card which works with it and is not up when trying to configure |
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| 18:41.43 | ovnicraft | i am using 5.0 |
| 18:42.25 | justin | ovnicraft: "is not up"? |
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| 18:43.04 | ovnicraft | justin, my card is not working |
| 18:43.19 | ovnicraft | before, my card was working |
| 18:43.22 | justin | ovnicraft: is the 8139too module loaded? |
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| 18:44.43 | cognitiaclaeves | valdyn: I got a hint on how to get what I want working with postfix. I think I'm going to pursue that avenue for a while, on a different, untouched vm. Thanks for your help. I'll message you if I reach a dead end with postfix. |
| 18:45.34 | varlon | hi, I'm migrate to debain unstable from Lenny for got a DRI2 on my intel video (intel 945GM on notebook), so, in Xorg.0.log I see a message, that DRI2 loaded (no messages about unload or problems), but glxgears show 15 fps on full openned window |
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| 18:45.52 | ovnicraft | justin, is not loaded |
| 18:46.02 | justin | ovnicraft: and what happens when you try to load it? |
| 18:46.13 | ovnicraft | before my card was working with that module, now i load it and nothing happens |
| 18:46.25 | ovnicraft | really stupid thing about debian :( |
| 18:46.32 | justin | ovnicraft: you load it and nothing shows up in dmesg? |
| 18:46.35 | varlon | maybe I must turn on some option xorg.conf? |
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| 18:47.31 | module000 | varlon: so it *is* loaded? but bad framerate? do "glxinfo", or "glxinfo | grep direct" |
| 18:47.37 | hid3___ | The only partition in my stsem is 93% full. I want to backup it to another server (via SCP). How should I `tar` everything so that it wouldn't create a .tar on my local filesystem but would put it directly to my backup server? I believe this is similar to `tar -czf file.tar.gz / | scp file.tar.gz user@backup.server:`. Any ideas? |
| 18:47.53 | varlon | module000, direct rendering: YES |
| 18:48.04 | gigo | can Debian be installed on HTC phones? |
| 18:48.07 | eml | Hey, what's the codename for debian 6 (if there is one)? |
| 18:48.09 | module000 | varlon: hrm, that means your 3d card is doing it's job.... |
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| 18:48.46 | varlon | with old driver all jobs was done :) |
| 18:49.08 | varlon | ok, just wanted to know, can I do with it or not ) |
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| 18:51.12 | valdyn | cognitiaclaeves: alright |
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| 18:53.09 | maddash | [Baby20]: wtf |
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| 18:53.34 | maddash | [Baby20]: why'd you /msg me this: "http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos" |
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| 18:53.35 | stew | maddash: gone |
| 18:53.40 | abrotman | maddash: why would you repeat that here? |
| 18:53.44 | stew | maddash: please don't help them by spamming this channel |
| 18:53.53 | maddash | stew: sorry. |
| 18:54.03 | valdyn | varlon: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 18:54.15 | valdyn | varlon: err, nevermind |
| 18:54.18 | maddash | I'm trying to authenticate myself against sudo via a keyfile -- is there a pam module that cna help me do that |
| 18:54.19 | maddash | ? |
| 18:54.47 | varlon | ) |
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| 18:56.40 | maddash | oh well, i guess i'll write the module myself |
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| 19:10.35 | Polarina | I just did a fresh installation of lenny and upgraded to squeeze following the instructions provided by /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze. After a successful upgrade, DNS resolving doesn't work anymore. Anyone aware of that problem? |
| 19:11.03 | justin | Polarina: check /etc/resolv.conf /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 19:11.51 | Polarina | justin: They look exactly the same as in lenny. |
| 19:12.55 | Polarina | justin: Except resolv.conf, which has "search lan" moved to the top instead of bottom and a new line that has "domain lan" in it. |
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| 19:15.03 | Polarina | justin: Any ideas? |
| 19:15.20 | loafers | I installed Openbox on Debian w/o the DE and now I have to type startx everytime I reboot. Is there a way to automate this without installing GDM? |
| 19:15.39 | Ace2017_- | loafers: use kdm |
| 19:15.45 | dkr | ha |
| 19:15.51 | Ace2017_- | or write your own init script |
| 19:15.55 | dkr | loafers: edit /etc/inittab |
| 19:16.06 | PatrickBatman | wrote his own init script |
| 19:16.12 | PatrickBatman | it's not too insane |
| 19:16.14 | loafers | Ok thanks |
| 19:16.16 | Ace2017_- | kdm,gdm,xdm,wdm? |
| 19:16.27 | loafers | Ace2017_-, I mean without any dm :) |
| 19:16.44 | lillis | or even bash_login |
| 19:16.47 | lillis | or whatnot |
| 19:16.51 | simonrvn | wonders what's so difficult about typing "startx &" |
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| 19:17.06 | loafers | simonrvn, Loafers is noob |
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| 19:17.21 | PatrickBatman | every keystroke counts :) |
| 19:17.30 | Polarina | I just did a fresh installation of lenny and upgraded to squeeze following the instructions provided by /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze. After a successful upgrade, DNS resolving doesn't work anymore. Anyone aware of that problem? |
| 19:17.41 | loafers | i have a lpm of 2 |
| 19:17.56 | Ace2017_- | lpm? |
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| 19:18.01 | loafers | letters per minute :D |
| 19:18.11 | Ace2017_- | -_- |
| 19:18.20 | PatrickBatman | if you wanna be really insane you can mess with inittab and the kernel's login configuration and make it log in and start X when the machine is turned on |
| 19:18.36 | PatrickBatman | s/kernal/shell's/ |
| 19:18.57 | loafers | why is it insane? |
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| 19:19.13 | PatrickBatman | my process involved breaking init a lot |
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| 19:19.25 | PatrickBatman | things you take for granted go away when that happens |
| 19:19.32 | loafers | so its not an easy task? |
| 19:19.46 | PatrickBatman | define "easy"? |
| 19:19.49 | loafers | i'm not exactly tech savvy |
| 19:20.03 | PatrickBatman | it is Not Easy^tm |
| 19:20.09 | PatrickBatman | just type startx |
| 19:20.30 | loafers | I like to press the power button and go get food while i wait |
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| 19:20.49 | PatrickBatman | that sounds like a personal problem |
| 19:21.03 | loafers | so just add startx line to /etc/inittab? |
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| 19:21.31 | valdyn | loafers: use *dm dammit |
| 19:21.57 | loafers | valdyn, okay |
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| 19:22.22 | valdyn | loafers: noob -> dont even think about touching inittab |
| 19:22.47 | loafers | valdyn, ok thanks for the warning |
| 19:23.07 | dkr | it's really not that complicated. it just says what scripts to run in which runlevels and when certain key combos like ctl-alt-del are perssed |
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| 19:23.50 | jaggz- | hah.. icedove's sort option: "Restore natural order" |
| 19:23.55 | simonrvn | in inittab you DO NOT get any sort of auth |
| 19:24.05 | valdyn | dkr: yea, and if hes indeed that lucky and doesnt break his system hell have X running as root |
| 19:24.08 | simonrvn | it's a bad idea to run x from inittab |
| 19:24.30 | jaggz- | you'd think you'd see that in Evolution's client wouldn't ya |
| 19:25.02 | dkr | jaggz-++ |
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| 19:26.30 | simonrvn | !run x as root |
| 19:26.38 | simonrvn | hm, moment |
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| 19:26.47 | dkr | valdyn: I see what you mean. but X does run as root by default, btw. :) |
| 19:27.02 | Polarina | I just did a fresh installation of lenny and upgraded to squeeze following the instructions provided by /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze. After a successful upgrade, DNS resolving doesn't work anymore. Anyone aware of that problem? |
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| 19:27.31 | Ace2017_- | simonrvn: whats wrong with not having auth? can't you run x with su to the user followed by startkde or something? |
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| 19:27.57 | karim | hi |
| 19:28.09 | NativeAngels | hello can anyone here help me with wine |
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| 19:28.13 | dupondje | I keep gettin XFS error in debian :( [136706.845237] xfs_force_shutdown(sda1,0x1) called from line 420 of file /build/buildd/linux-2.6.27/fs/xfs/xfs_rw.c. Return address = 0xf8ed4d34 etc |
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| 19:28.24 | dupondje | any id what could cause it ? ext3 seems to behave normally :s |
| 19:28.38 | karim | is there a standart way to know the default configure options of a program ? |
| 19:28.50 | module000 | Polarina: and your resolv.conf reads......? |
| 19:29.01 | valdyn | karim: no |
| 19:29.17 | simonrvn | Ace2017_-: it's a brain damaged way to do that. you have a giant setuid program running as root, add in crap with holes that run as root also, you're just asking for trouble. |
| 19:29.20 | dkr | karim: ./configure --help usually shows the defaults in brackets next to the option |
| 19:29.21 | valdyn | karim: except if you take "read debian/rules" as "a standard way" |
| 19:29.21 | RichiH | is there any way to transform ethtool from a useless piece of crap into a tool that shows me a nice & short overview like mii-tool does? |
| 19:29.47 | simonrvn | RichiH: use mii-tool? :P |
| 19:29.47 | Polarina | module000: domain lan search lan nameserver <ip> ... |
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| 19:29.57 | karim | dkr valdyn : I mean the options in a ./configure --help . |
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| 19:29.58 | module000 | Polarina: it does have nameservers listed though? |
| 19:30.01 | themill | RichiH: you should compare notes with greycat on that one ;) |
| 19:30.08 | Polarina | module000: Yes. |
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| 19:30.18 | Polarina | module000: My other computer has the same resolve.conf file. |
| 19:30.24 | Polarina | module000: Lenny, and it works. |
| 19:30.27 | NativeAngels | ive instaled wine in debian lenny but im haveing a problem, when i hover the mouse over the wine window the pointer disapears |
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| 19:30.38 | module000 | Polarina: and "dig sprint.com A" returns nothing? |
| 19:30.44 | bernard | hi |
| 19:30.44 | simonrvn | resolv.conf. *SIGH* |
| 19:30.59 | RichiH | simonrvn: that does not work for all NICs |
| 19:31.04 | Polarina | module000: It returns some crap... |
| 19:31.09 | RichiH | for example SFP ports |
| 19:31.15 | simonrvn | RichiH: i know, was kidding ;) |
| 19:31.22 | bernard | how can I rerun just the checksums of a package? |
| 19:31.24 | RichiH | themill: i assume he like ethtool? |
| 19:31.26 | module000 | Polarina: your response is inadequate. |
| 19:31.34 | Polarina | module000: What do you mean? |
| 19:31.44 | RichiH | i just want a short & concise overview |
| 19:31.45 | module000 | Polarina: does it return the A record or not? |
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| 19:31.49 | themill | RichiH: he's been at war with his tg3 and ethtool and mii-tool |
| 19:31.56 | Polarina | module000: A record? |
| 19:31.57 | themill | RichiH: none of them work for him |
| 19:31.58 | simonrvn | bernard: debsums |
| 19:32.04 | RichiH | heh, k |
| 19:32.14 | module000 | Polarina: yes.... "dig sprint.com A" requests the "A" record of sprint.com, from your nameservers in resolv.conf |
| 19:32.19 | dkr | karim: you don't see the stuff like [default=yes] in your ./confgure --help output? next to each option? |
| 19:32.25 | module000 | Polarina: "some crap" is hardly descriptive enough for someone to help you |
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| 19:32.50 | Polarina | module000: It returns some DNS names, IP addresses... |
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| 19:33.19 | bernard | simonrvn: oh, it's not installed by default, thank you |
| 19:33.35 | themill | RichiH: bugs.debian.org/525296 for your amusement |
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| 19:34.12 | Polarina | module000: This began immediately after the upgrade to squeeze. |
| 19:34.42 | dupondje | somebody has any id ? :x |
| 19:34.43 | dkr | RichiH: hwinfo --short --netcard |
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| 19:34.54 | gigo | I can't find zhone or frameworkd package in my Debian |
| 19:35.01 | module000 | Polarina: which part of resolution isn't working? dig seems to be if you say it returned an IP |
| 19:35.21 | Polarina | module000: aptitude update tells me that it cannot resolve ftp.debian.org |
| 19:35.37 | Polarina | module000: Iceweasel errors on web addresses such as google.com |
| 19:35.40 | themill | Polarina: given that our ESP-over-TCP/IP is not working so well today, either you have to start describing what's going on in actual detail (not "some crap" "some DNS names") or you need to start pastebinning the output of commands people ask you to run. |
| 19:36.00 | Polarina | themill: I cannot pastebin if I cannot access one. |
| 19:36.05 | karim | dkr: no , there is a first options list section called Optional Features: , and below another set of options called Optional Packages |
| 19:36.17 | valdyn | Polarina: you can access one |
| 19:36.25 | karim | dkr: I guess the first section is the default, though I am not 100% sure |
| 19:36.33 | Polarina | valdyn: Give me the IP address of one then, please. |
| 19:36.42 | valdyn | Polarina: dig it yourself |
| 19:36.47 | dkr | karim: look harder, read each line, especialyl the right end of the line |
| 19:36.55 | valdyn | Polarina: dig A pastebin.com |
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| 19:36.56 | Polarina | valdyn: ? |
| 19:37.16 | module000 | Polarina: or you can paste to #flood |
| 19:37.37 | themill | Polarina: http://208.68.18.97/ |
| 19:37.38 | maddash | weeee, finished writing my pam_filehash module |
| 19:37.38 | NativeAngels | can anyone help me with wine |
| 19:38.00 | dkr | !anyone |
| 19:38.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search> |
| 19:38.06 | Polarina | valdyn: I get a "Warning: mysql_pconnect(): Access denied for user: 'pastebin@localhost' (Using password: YES) in <something> on line 44" when accessing pastebin.com |
| 19:38.09 | dkr | close enough |
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| 19:38.17 | abrotman | NativeAngels: you might need to set the X option for a HW or SW mouse .. or possibly ask ##winehq |
| 19:38.50 | module000 | Polarina: use #flood |
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| 19:38.56 | dkr | abrotman: I was thinking you had psychic skills until i realized he must have asked hsi real question earlier. :) |
| 19:39.16 | Polarina | module000: http://208.68.18.97/1401258 |
| 19:39.22 | karim | dkr: yes for some options, not all, but yes there are indications, maybe the doc is not up to date |
| 19:39.45 | NativeAngels | thanks abrotman |
| 19:39.58 | Polarina | module000: Yet, "normal" applications cannot resolve DNS names. |
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| 19:40.15 | module000 | Polarina: pastebin your /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 19:40.39 | module000 | Polarina: or just tell me if you do not have al ine that reads "hosts: dns files" or "hosts: files dns" |
| 19:41.02 | dkr | karim: also. in optional features, if the listed commandline argument is --disable-foo then foo is enabled by default, if it is --enable-foo then foo is disabled by default |
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| 19:41.54 | dkr | karim: at least it seems that way for some of my programs. ;) |
| 19:42.20 | Polarina | module000: http://208.68.18.97/1401264 |
| 19:42.36 | abrotman | dkr: yes .. i'm psychotic :) |
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| 19:43.45 | karim | dkr: yes it makes sens :) |
| 19:44.00 | karim | dkr: for libxine1 here |
| 19:44.35 | module000 | Polarina: modify nsswitch.conf line that #12 to read "hosts: files dns" |
| 19:44.57 | Polarina | module000: OK. |
| 19:45.39 | Polarina | module000: What next? |
| 19:45.58 | module000 | Polarina: restart any apps using dns and try them again...that blurb on hosts: readin [NOTFOUND.... should not have been there |
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| 19:46.23 | valdyn | module000: thats a default |
| 19:46.29 | TheInfinity | hello ... where does debian samba save its user db? |
| 19:46.30 | Polarina | module000: Still doesn't work. That blurb is in lenny and it works there... |
| 19:47.04 | TheInfinity | i just search my /etc backup, but i just dont find it ... :( |
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| 19:47.16 | valdyn | Polarina: did we confirm that dig works properly? |
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| 19:47.24 | Polarina | valdyn: Yes. |
| 19:47.28 | valdyn | Polarina: and try if "host google.com" works? |
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| 19:47.40 | iListenU | Please help, i get problem in: http://parduoduv.puslapiai.lt at header error. (top). What can it be? |
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| 19:48.00 | valdyn | Polarina: how is that line in /etc/nsswitch.conf that you changed looking now? |
| 19:48.12 | Polarina | valdyn: hosts: files dns |
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| 19:48.23 | Polarina | valdyn: http://208.68.18.97/1401269 |
| 19:48.23 | bernard | simonrvn: damn, a lot of packages don't even have checksums. Is it normal? |
| 19:48.58 | Polarina | bernard: They are signed. |
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| 19:49.11 | bernard | oh |
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| 19:49.20 | simonrvn | bernard: yes. hence debsums - to a certain extent. more and more have a dh_md5sum run during final build stage, but many don't. |
| 19:49.36 | simonrvn | yes, gpg key signed, plus repos are gpg signed. |
| 19:49.43 | valdyn | Polarina: any smaller application that iceweasel that doesnt work? |
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| 19:50.07 | bernard | what's the equivalent to debsums to check a package signatures? |
| 19:50.18 | Polarina | valdyn: evolution, epiphany, aptitude (unless sources.list is changed to IP addresses). |
| 19:50.38 | Polarina | valdyn: pidgin. |
| 19:50.42 | module000 | Polarina: you don't have any funnybusiness in your /etc/hosts do you? |
| 19:50.44 | simonrvn | bernard: you'd look at the source package's .dsc file. |
| 19:51.04 | Polarina | module000: /etc/hosts looks normal. |
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| 19:51.55 | valdyn | Polarina: "dpkg -l libnss-mdns | tail -1" gives what? |
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| 19:52.44 | Zambezi | Anyone know a repo with ushare prebuilt for Lenny? I'm not a fan of building from source. |
| 19:52.44 | Polarina | valdyn: ii libnss-mdns 0.10-3 NSS module for Multicast DNS name resolution. |
| 19:53.12 | Polarina | Zambezi: Building from source is a piece of cake |
| 19:53.22 | valdyn | Polarina: "debsums libnss-mdns" gives any file not OK ? |
| 19:53.30 | bernard | simonrvn: there are only checksums of .tar.gz files |
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| 19:53.44 | Zambezi | Polarina: But I'm still not a fan of it. |
| 19:53.44 | module000 | Polarina: this is discouraring: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/squeeze-cant-resolv-domains-716904/ |
| 19:53.50 | Polarina | valdyn: bash: debsums: command not found |
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| 19:54.05 | valdyn | Polarina: ok, just reinstall it then |
| 19:54.11 | Polarina | valdyn: Reinstall what? |
| 19:54.29 | bernard | simonrvn: I want to check the status of installed files because my packages come from a damaged hard disk |
| 19:54.42 | valdyn | Polarina: libnss-mdns |
| 19:55.17 | Polarina | valdyn: Still not working. |
| 19:55.31 | valdyn | Polarina: did you restart applications? |
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| 19:55.44 | simonrvn | bernard: bernard when you do apt-get source foo ? |
| 19:55.51 | module000 | Polarina: you gotat restart after any nss changes...the nss file is cached when any application using it runs |
| 19:55.56 | Polarina | valdyn: Yes. |
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| 19:56.13 | Polarina | module000: Restart the system? |
| 19:56.17 | module000 | Polarina: nono, the app |
| 19:56.20 | bernard | simonrvn: yes |
| 19:56.27 | Polarina | module000: I did, still not working. |
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| 19:56.32 | bernard | simonrvn: oh, sorry, misread |
| 19:57.06 | SPF | since I'm running bind, I have a lot of strange connections ( http://pastebin.com/m1aae3cac ). I'm running bind on local lan only but the connections are killing my modem. Any idea what's going on? |
| 19:57.07 | bernard | simonrvn: I don't understand your question? I did the apt-get source foo right now when you told me |
| 19:57.29 | simonrvn | !foo |
| 19:57.29 | dpkg | somebody said foo was probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092. |
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| 19:57.43 | simonrvn | foo here meanng some (source) package name |
| 19:57.53 | valdyn | Polarina: a) blindly reinstall some more packages like libc6 |
| 19:58.03 | valdyn | Polarina: or get debsums installed and make it check the whole system |
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| 19:58.36 | Polarina | valdyn: Reinstallation of libc6 didn't help it. |
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| 19:59.43 | bernard | simonrvn: I know! I had tested it with "at" |
| 20:00.08 | bernard | simonrvn: but why are you asking when I did so? |
| 20:00.39 | simonrvn | the .dsc file you looked at... |
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| 20:03.58 | Polarina | valdyn: debsums returns everything as OK. |
| 20:04.04 | bernard | simonrvn: I don't understand what you want me to do. Well, I can just aptitude reinstall all packages that don't have md5sums, there aren't so many of them |
| 20:04.36 | valdyn | Polarina: for the whole system? its that fast? |
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| 20:04.48 | Polarina | valdyn: It's a fast CPU I have. |
| 20:04.54 | Polarina | valdyn: Yes, whole system. |
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| 20:05.09 | valdyn | Polarina: so you have some packages installed that dont belong to lenny? |
| 20:05.19 | simonrvn | !wayttd bernard |
| 20:05.19 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, bernard? |
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| 20:05.25 | valdyn | Polarina: or squeeze. i dont know what youre actually running |
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| 20:05.35 | Polarina | valdyn: Squeeze is the broken one. |
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| 20:06.01 | valdyn | Polarina: i have no idea then |
| 20:06.05 | lepassive | Hi i want to change the mount point of a volume via HLA and i don't know what to do i grep'ed almost every txt file related to HLA and didn't find any entry contains volume.mount_point . |
| 20:06.11 | Polarina | valdyn: I followed dpkg's instructions on how to upgrade from lenny, and after having finished the upgrade, DNS resolving stopped working. |
| 20:06.23 | Polarina | lepassive: HLA? |
| 20:06.31 | bernard | simonrvn: I want to verify that the files installed on my HD by packages which don't have md5sums are ok |
| 20:06.33 | lepassive | HAL** sorry |
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| 20:07.13 | module000 | Polarina: efnet's finest in #debian reply....: 15:06 <@denken> resolvconf could easily be borked in squeeze |
| 20:07.38 | Polarina | module000: borked? |
| 20:07.57 | module000 | s/borked/unstable |
| 20:08.03 | Polarina | Oh... |
| 20:08.08 | Polarina | And how do I fix that? |
| 20:08.10 | PatrickBatman | s/borked/br0ked/ |
| 20:08.12 | simonrvn | bernard: you'll have to download them, and compare each. i don't know of a way otherwise. i suggest google or some of the debian mailing lists. |
| 20:08.35 | valdyn | Polarina: resolvconf only sets up your /etc/resolv.conf, if that file is ok, then resolvconf is not involved |
| 20:08.48 | module000 | well, according to google and other people with your issue...they reinstalled for "mysterious" success. my guess is their upgrade was incomplete and a reinstall solved that |
| 20:08.50 | bernard | simonrvn: then that's what I said, "aptitude reinstall" will be nice since I'm confident in my new HD |
| 20:09.12 | module000 | either way...it's the fun you encounter with testing |
| 20:09.12 | bernard | simonrvn: btw debsums helped me to repair some packages, thx for the advice |
| 20:09.18 | valdyn | some abi or api mismatch in resolver plugins.. |
| 20:09.19 | dondelelcaro | Polarina: what does /etc/resolv.conf say? Did you restart whatever stopped resolving? |
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| 20:09.23 | lepassive | hello anyhelp ? |
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| 20:09.42 | bernard | simonrvn: I did a : for package in $(aptitude search -F '%p' ~i); do debsums --silent $package; done |
| 20:09.54 | Polarina | dondelelcaro: No restarts. Immediately following a complete "aptitude full-upgrade" it stopped working. |
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| 20:10.02 | dondelelcaro | Polarina: what stopped working? |
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| 20:10.13 | Sazpaimon | does anyone know if a more recent version of lighttpd has been packaged anywhere? Even sid only has 1.4.19 |
| 20:10.23 | module000 | Polarina: have you rebooted since your upgrade? |
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| 20:10.40 | Polarina | module000: I tried that too, but with no avail. |
| 20:10.40 | addai | anyone know why the windows debian install gives me an error on reboot to install that says something about a missing windows system file? |
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| 20:10.45 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: not to my knowledge, but you can easily package it yourself |
| 20:11.22 | zzattack2 | im trying to build the sid version of some package on testing. Regarding dependencies I should be fine. I tried to obtain the sid sources by using "apt-get source -t unstable transmission", however this retrieves the testing sources. |
| 20:11.35 | themill | Sazpaimon: "/msg dpkg uupdate" for a procedure that might work for you |
| 20:11.47 | valdyn | zzattack2: that means its probably the same |
| 20:11.50 | Polarina | dondelelcaro: http://208.68.18.97/1401290 |
| 20:11.55 | valdyn | !judd: versions transmission |
| 20:12.00 | valdyn | judd: versions transmission |
| 20:12.01 | judd | valdyn: transmission -- etch: 0.6.1.dfsg-1 lenny: 1.22-1 sid: 1.34-1 sid: 1.40-5 sid: 1.51-1 squeeze: 1.51-1 |
| 20:12.15 | module000 | Polarina: in other news...#debian on efnet says: tell him to use a stable release. |
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| 20:12.26 | valdyn | zzattack2: and there we go, what judd said |
| 20:12.30 | zzattack2 | valdyn: thats troublesome :) |
| 20:12.41 | Polarina | module000: But squeeze should be usable, much like lenny was when etch was stable. |
| 20:12.58 | theuser1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.40 | module000 | Polarina: with nsswitch.conf & resolv.conf being correct, i would much like to know what apt-get and your other software is querying instead |
| 20:13.49 | zzattack2 | valdyn: I totally confused two systems. This one is still on lenny. Still, it downloads the 1.22-1 sources. |
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| 20:14.34 | module000 | theuser1: your firewall is probably configured badly if you can't access it from the outside |
| 20:14.57 | zzattack2 | valdyn: never mind me |
| 20:14.57 | themill | zzattack2: apt-get source doesn't use the -t switch. You have to use "package=version", see man apt-get. |
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| 20:15.14 | SPF | Starting domain name service...: bind9/etc/resolvconf/update-libc.d/squid: line 4: invoke-rc.d: command not found |
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| 20:15.21 | zzattack2 | yes themill thanks, just found that :) |
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| 20:16.05 | makalam | Hi guys. Lenny is already detecting wireless connections during installation? |
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| 20:16.42 | lillis | Must be a bug! |
| 20:16.47 | deepie | How I Can set my squid to allow IN/Out connection on multi ip? |
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| 20:18.13 | abrotman | makalam: depends on the driver |
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| 20:23.49 | Polarina | module000: How do I connect to efnet? |
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| 20:24.10 | makalam | abrotman: I'm not sure which driver it uses... well, i have to try. |
| 20:24.14 | makalam | thank you anyway :) |
| 20:24.24 | module000 | Polarina: /server irc.blessed.net is one of them |
| 20:24.33 | Polarina | module000: Thanks. |
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| 20:27.22 | addai | anyone know why the windows debian install gives me an error on reboot to install that says something about a missing windows system file? |
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| 20:28.36 | SPF | bind is requesting queries from a lot of servers. a.root-servers.net ... z.root-servers.net |
| 20:28.40 | Polarina | theuser1: 119.152.52.13 is the IP address of the computer you are connecting from? |
| 20:28.44 | SPF | it's really killing my connection |
| 20:29.22 | Polarina | SPF: Stop using a dial-up. |
| 20:29.34 | theuser1 | Polarina: ya |
| 20:29.49 | theuser1 | module000: http://pastebin.com/m2f7fffdb |
| 20:29.57 | Polarina | theuser1: It doesn't work connecting to your own IP address. Try 127.0.0.1 or ::1 |
| 20:29.59 | SPF | Polarina: what do you mean? |
| 20:30.18 | Polarina | SPF: Stop using a modem. |
| 20:30.47 | SPF | Polarina: I can't, it's the only available internet here |
| 20:31.08 | theuser1 | Polarina: yes |
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| 20:32.00 | amphi | SPF: install dnsmasq perhaps |
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| 20:33.06 | SPF | amphi: I'm running bind for local dns. external dns requests will be forwarded to my modem |
| 20:33.20 | SPF | and it works perfectly |
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| 20:34.00 | SPF | but I don't get it why bind is requesting a lot of dns requests from a period of time |
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| 20:36.21 | theuser1 | Polarina: http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5324/33646583.jpg |
| 20:36.29 | vizzy | hi, upgraded from etch to debian some days ago, no i dont have an ardour-gtk.... , and when i try to install i get "Package ardour-gtk-i686 has no available version, but exists in the database." ? wtf is happen here? where do i get ardour-gtk? |
| 20:36.57 | vizzy | from etch to lenny i mean |
| 20:37.34 | themill | judd versions ardour-gtk |
| 20:37.35 | judd | themill: ardour-gtk -- etch: 0.99.3-1 |
| 20:37.56 | vizzy | ouch :( |
| 20:38.11 | themill | judd versions ardour |
| 20:38.12 | judd | themill: ardour -- squeeze: 1:2.7.1-2 sid: 1:2.8-1 |
| 20:38.25 | vizzy | seems lenny isnt that stable, now i stuck in my soundwork i need to do to finish a project |
| 20:38.50 | vizzy | bad bad bad :( |
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| 20:43.26 | sepult | nope lenny is not that stable |
| 20:43.55 | gewt | what's the best way to share a folder (of mp3's) across a local network and import them into amarok? |
| 20:44.00 | makalam | bad, bad sepult. no donut for you. |
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| 20:44.21 | gewt | My server uptime: 16:44:21 up 52 days, 21:55, 1 user, load average: 0.18, 0.06, 0.01 |
| 20:44.26 | gewt | i rbeak my vps too much |
| 20:44.34 | PatrickBatman | gewt: NFS |
| 20:44.37 | Manoj | gewt: NFS is hte traditional unix answer |
| 20:44.49 | valdyn | gewt: web server |
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| 20:44.53 | gewt | mmm |
| 20:45.01 | PatrickBatman | uses NFS |
| 20:45.01 | gewt | how do I configure nfs now, D: |
| 20:45.07 | PatrickBatman | two lines: |
| 20:45.45 | Manoj | gewt: install nfs-kernel-server, read man 5 export |
| 20:46.14 | PatrickBatman | on server add to /etc/exports: /dir/to/export <netblock>(ro,sync) |
| 20:46.36 | PatrickBatman | on client: mount -t nfs <server>:/dir/to/export /local/mountpoint |
| 20:46.49 | Manoj | gewt: also, reading man 5 host_access might be needed |
| 20:47.08 | Manoj | and it also depends on firewall rules and all |
| 20:47.09 | gewt | forgets his IP.. |
| 20:47.29 | PatrickBatman | oh sheesh. well then...doesn't Gnome have some magical "shareme" thingy? |
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| 20:47.57 | valdyn | PatrickBatman: in a way |
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| 20:48.13 | valdyn | samba based i believe |
| 20:48.23 | seto | does someone use okular to view dvi file here ? (and use the reverse search like in kdvi ?) |
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| 20:49.38 | valdyn | gewt: gnomes shares-admin seems to support nfs and samba |
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| 20:50.13 | valdyn | gewt: then rhythmbox et al can share via whatever itunes does |
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| 20:52.08 | DebLenny | Can anyone help me with some networking issues? |
| 20:52.57 | gewt | mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.1.114:/home/b4/music |
| 20:52.58 | gewt | fun |
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| 20:55.39 | gewt | finally |
| 20:56.59 | PatrickBatman | gewt: did you add the entry in /etc/exports and restart nfsd? |
| 20:57.21 | gewt | yeah |
| 20:57.23 | gewt | wrong IP |
| 20:57.24 | gewt | :P |
| 20:57.51 | PatrickBatman | that'll do it |
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| 20:58.17 | PatrickBatman | you can add a whole netblock like this: 192.168.1.0/24:/home/b4/music |
| 20:58.31 | PatrickBatman | oh wait, that's wrong |
| 20:58.45 | PatrickBatman | just do 192.168.1.0/24(rw,sync) |
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| 20:59.51 | gewt | i used * instead |
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| 20:59.58 | gewt | the box has no outbound networking |
| 21:00.03 | PatrickBatman | that'll work :) |
| 21:00.13 | gewt | just internal network |
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| 21:00.31 | Polarina | I'm having issues with DNS resolving in applications in squeeze. The problem first arised immediately after an upgrade from lenny to squeeze. Anyone who can help? My /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf are the same as they were prior to the upgrade (which worked). |
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| 21:01.58 | adb | Polarina: as told it seems there is a bug iin , try bts |
| 21:02.10 | adb | s/iin/in |
| 21:02.21 | teratoma | huh ? |
| 21:02.36 | Polarina | adb: bts? |
| 21:02.46 | kenjy | guys if I have something like: test=./1996/02/25, how can I get that 1996 or that 02 or that 25? |
| 21:02.54 | adb | !tell Polarina about bts |
| 21:02.57 | teratoma | i have the same problem, i cheat and fix it by putting 'nameserver 4.2.2.2' in my /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:03.21 | Polarina | teratoma: 4.2.2.2? |
| 21:03.30 | teratoma | adb: that doesn't fix his problem though ! |
| 21:03.46 | teratoma | Polarina: 4.2.2.2 is a root nameserver that will always work |
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| 21:03.58 | Polarina | Ah, let me try that. |
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| 21:04.22 | teratoma | adb is trying to helpfully tell you to file a bug, which i guess is helpful on some level |
| 21:04.51 | Polarina | teratoma: Yay! It works! Thanks a million. |
| 21:05.11 | teratoma | remember to file a bug |
| 21:05.32 | Polarina | teratoma: Why? |
| 21:05.41 | teratoma | i dunno. |
| 21:05.55 | teratoma | remember every time you grab an address with dhcp, /etc/resolv.conf will be overwritten |
| 21:06.27 | Polarina | removes write access. |
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| 21:06.32 | Polarina | Problem solved. |
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| 21:06.47 | unop | Polarina, heh .. dhclient is run as root .. problem not solved |
| 21:07.04 | Polarina | :( |
| 21:07.13 | teratoma | it is a really annoying problem. im not sure why thousands of other people aren't complaining about it |
| 21:07.25 | Polarina | unop: Any other suggestions? |
| 21:07.59 | unop | Polarina, right way is to configure dhclient/resolvconf (the package) to prepend/append the information you want always |
| 21:08.24 | teratoma | why do we need nerd magic just to resolve address with DNS ? |
| 21:08.55 | Polarina | unop: How would I do that? |
| 21:09.08 | unop | teratoma, you can always trust your DHCP server to handle everything for you ... |
| 21:09.12 | themill | dpkg: tell Polarina about override dns |
| 21:09.44 | unop | Polarina, man 5 dhclient.conf # too |
| 21:09.49 | Polarina | themill: Thanks. |
| 21:09.53 | Polarina | unop: :) |
| 21:10.34 | teratoma | unop: no that's not true. I have the same problem as Polarina. running squeeze. DNS randomly does not work. ive tried tcpdumping , snooping, i dont know why its broken. there is something definitely wrong. dhclient.conf would let me temporarily fix this problem, but its still very annoying and i would expect DNS resolution to magically work without any effort on my part |
| 21:11.04 | module000 | Polarina: problem fixed? |
| 21:11.10 | Polarina | module000: Yes. |
| 21:11.27 | module000 | Polarina: excellent! what was the cause? |
| 21:11.40 | Polarina | module000: Unknown. |
| 21:11.48 | module000 | Polarina: but dhcp related? |
| 21:11.58 | Polarina | module000: I added "nameserver 4.2.2.2" to /etc/resolv.conf and it fixed itself. |
| 21:12.05 | Polarina | module000: No, not DHCP related. |
| 21:12.23 | themill | !dbugs 516218 |
| 21:12.27 | dpkg | DONE:#516218:G[libc6] getaddrinfo not working while gethostbyname works (); Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:29:43 UTC [519774] |
| 21:12.45 | themill | (and many other duplicates) |
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| 21:15.51 | penguin__ | Is webgui a good way to develop web sites? |
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| 21:17.44 | Ace2017_- | penguin__: never |
| 21:18.10 | penguin__ | What about Bluefish? |
| 21:18.16 | Ace2017_- | you could use something like kompozer if you want a gui |
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| 21:20.22 | Ace2017_- | a good text editor with syntax highlighting and checking for valid code on http://validator.w3.org/ would be the way to go, best to design the site in an image editor before you make the final site |
| 21:21.09 | penguin__ | Is Komposer an image editor? |
| 21:21.50 | Ace2017_- | no kompozer is a gui html editor with the ability to also edit the code directly |
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| 21:22.19 | Ace2017_- | penguin__: see http://www.kompozer.net/screenshots.php |
| 21:22.49 | penguin__ | Is there a deb file? |
| 21:23.13 | Bracki | Can smaddy enlighten on when to use Alias or RewriteRule or even a combination of those? |
| 21:23.18 | Bracki | ^me |
| 21:23.57 | Bracki | oops. |
| 21:24.52 | rgr | Has anyone here had any luck running Blackberry Desktop Manager in virtualbox under debian? |
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| 21:27.10 | Ace2017_- | penguin__: i think you have to compile it |
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| 21:27.44 | cusco | hi |
| 21:27.52 | phet | Hello, I am looking for a source.list file for debian testing |
| 21:28.12 | cusco | how do I make "make" use gcc-3 instead of 4 temporarly? |
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| 21:28.25 | cusco | there is a $VAR which I set, but I don't remember its name |
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| 21:29.34 | adb | !tell phet about sources |
| 21:29.48 | Ace2017_- | cusco: CC=gcc-4.3 |
| 21:30.03 | Ace2017_- | ok change that to 3 |
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| 21:30.12 | Ace2017_- | export CC=gcc-4.3 |
| 21:30.19 | phet | adb im looking for examples |
| 21:30.29 | cusco | thanks Ace2017_- |
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| 21:31.18 | adb | deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian testing main |
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| 21:33.23 | phet | adb sorry I meant the full file, with all the reps |
| 21:33.40 | adb | read the bot message |
| 21:34.07 | phet | I know which file is, Im looking for an example, to see useful reps, only this |
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| 21:34.37 | adb | i get you one |
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| 21:35.08 | Ace2017_- | phet: add all 3 at the end: main contrib non-free |
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| 21:38.49 | karim | hi |
| 21:38.53 | Ace2017_- | phet: don't forget to add debian multimedia |
| 21:39.18 | karim | is there an application that can save all the settings of the applications from /etc/ and /var ? |
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| 21:39.28 | karim | through debconf or something |
| 21:39.33 | adb | cp |
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| 21:39.43 | karim | adb: smart |
| 21:39.47 | mib_t0z37s5s | hi guys |
| 21:39.57 | mib_t0z37s5s | who wants to see my hot girl friend (half nude) |
| 21:39.58 | mib_t0z37s5s | http://www.sexyemilie.com/?id=1562390 |
| 21:40.03 | mib_t0z37s5s | she's sooo hot |
| 21:40.04 | mib_t0z37s5s | http://www.sexyemilie.com/?id=1562390 |
| 21:40.08 | mib_t0z37s5s | seriously =) |
| 21:40.10 | mib_t0z37s5s | please click |
| 21:40.15 | mib_t0z37s5s | she's rlly hot |
| 21:40.16 | mib_t0z37s5s | http://www.sexyemilie.com/?id=1562390 |
| 21:40.21 | zinx | !ops mib_t0z37s5s |
| 21:40.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: zinx complains about: mib_t0z37s5s |
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| 21:40.37 | tomaw | mib_t0z37s5s: enough, thanks |
| 21:40.41 | tomaw | or that |
| 21:40.47 | phet | Ace2017_-, thanks, can you send me your source.lst? |
| 21:40.55 | karim | adb: I though there could have been something smarter, since debconf knows most of the config files and how to evenutally update them |
| 21:41.12 | adb | i dunno |
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| 21:41.27 | adb | cp /etc/* /var/etc/ |
| 21:41.51 | adb | debconf -c /var/etc/ |
| 21:42.11 | adb | karim: i kidding |
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| 21:42.46 | adama_ | what would be a good command to get a certain chunk of lines out of a text file - I need lines 122106 through 127623 |
| 21:42.52 | Ace2017_- | phet: i'll paste you one, but what country are you from? |
| 21:43.23 | karim | adb: well I expected someone said that |
| 21:43.31 | dondelelcaro | adama_: head+tail |
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| 21:43.36 | karim | apparently notinhg like that exeits |
| 21:43.38 | karim | exists |
| 21:43.58 | adb | do it yourself |
| 21:44.36 | gravity | The scripts in debconf don't really know as much as you think they do |
| 21:44.55 | phet | Ace2017_-, europe |
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| 21:45.10 | phet | Ace2017_-, I am from Spain but I preffer french mirrors, they are faster |
| 21:45.11 | gravity | I wouldn't rely on them to get anything approaching complete config info |
| 21:45.16 | adama_ | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 21:45.19 | themill | adama_: a perl or awk one-liner could do it for you easily enough |
| 21:46.28 | gravity | I can't imagine perl that would be more concise than head + tail for that job |
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| 21:46.41 | gravity | But I'm not a perl expert either |
| 21:46.56 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.56 | dondelelcaro | well, it'd probably be faster, but... |
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| 21:47.13 | \amethyst | sed -n '122106,127623 p' |
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| 21:47.42 | themill | adama_: you've unleashed a monster! It's suddenly turned into #bash! |
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| 21:48.14 | gravity | Ah, the mysteries of sed, that's pretty neat |
| 21:48.23 | dondelelcaro | perl -ne 'print if $. >= 122106 && $. <= 127623' |
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| 21:48.43 | Ace2017_- | phet: what debian version? |
| 21:48.53 | Ace2017_- | ah testing |
| 21:48.55 | \amethyst | sed -n -e '122106,127623 p' -e '127623 q' will be quicker I guess |
| 21:48.58 | adama_ | head & tail worked: head -n127623 16.sql |tail -n5518 > out.sql |
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| 21:49.19 | adama_ | now everybody get back to work! |
| 21:49.34 | adama_ | goes back to desktop 5 |
| 21:49.37 | dondelelcaro | perl -ne 'exit 0 if $. > 127623; print if $. >= 122106;'... |
| 21:49.41 | themill | sounds like you just need a decent editor! |
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| 21:50.06 | themill | dpkg, give dondelelcaro a cookie |
| 21:50.07 | dpkg | gives dondelelcaro a home-baked chocolate chip cookie to cheer him up. |
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| 21:51.21 | Ace2017_- | phet: http://pastebin.com/m3fb7e6c9 |
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| 21:54.40 | phet | Ace2017_-, thanks |
| 21:54.56 | phet | Ace2017_-, do you know the reps for fglrx? |
| 21:55.19 | adb | !tell phet about fglrx |
| 21:55.30 | _Elros_ | hello, I have a bug report of mines not more reproducible...what should I do? |
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| 21:55.40 | phet | thanks |
| 21:55.44 | adb | yw |
| 21:56.18 | Polarina | I get a "You are not privileged to mount this volume." when attempting to mount an eSATA drive in nautilus. How do I add these privileges to my user account? |
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| 21:56.40 | dondelelcaro | _Elros_: try to figure out how to reproduce it if at all possible. Have you checked the BTS? |
| 21:57.43 | _Elros_ | dondelelcaro: that bug that i filed some months ago is not more reproducible...i'm sure about it |
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| 22:00.15 | dondelelcaro | _Elros_: ah, ok. Then send a message to nnn-done@bugs.debian.org with an explanation of that, and you'll close the bug |
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| 22:00.25 | dondelelcaro | _Elros_: where nnn is your bug, of course. |
| 22:00.51 | _Elros_ | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks a lot...I do it now |
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| 22:04.01 | Polarina | I get a "You are not privileged to mount this volume." when attempting to mount an eSATA drive in nautilus. How do I add these privileges to my user account? |
| 22:04.59 | sepult | Polarina: within /etc/fstab |
| 22:05.23 | Polarina | sepult: It's an external drive. I would like to mount external drives automatically... |
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| 22:06.43 | Polarina | And how do I prevent /etc/resolv.conf from updating itself? |
| 22:06.49 | sepult | Polarina: like say /tomountthingy /mountpoint type mountoptions(like auto,rw,gid=bla,uid=bla, for those which accept those keywords) and finally 0 0 or 1 2 or 0 1 for dumpin and passing when checking with e2fsck or other things |
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| 22:07.07 | sepult | Polarina: man fstab |
| 22:07.17 | sepult | Polarina: man 8 mount |
| 22:07.31 | Polarina | sepult: How do I do that without /etc/fstab? |
| 22:07.35 | adb | !tell Polarina about automount |
| 22:08.16 | sepult | Polarina: mount -t bla -o auto,rw,gid=bla,uid=bla /device /mountpoint |
| 22:08.27 | sepult | Polarina: for example |
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| 22:08.35 | Polarina | All right, but how do I prevent /etc/resolv.conf from updating itself? |
| 22:09.35 | flexd | Hi there.. I have a question about kernel panics... My debian lenny system just sort of froze up (rather it dropped of the net and stopped responding). I went to check on the actual machine and num lock + caps lock was blinking on the keyboard and the machine was unresponsive. |
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| 22:09.38 | sepult | Polarina: you can't, you instead add your proper dns nameservers as 'nameserver bla.bla.bla.bla' to /etc/resolvconf/resolvconf.d/head or tail or base |
| 22:09.49 | Polarina | sepult: Thanks. |
| 22:09.49 | sepult | Polarina: you can add more than one |
| 22:09.55 | flexd | Someone said that it was most likely a kernel panic.. But i'm wondering how i can fix this. |
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| 22:10.07 | flexd | Where do i see in logs that there has been a panic? Is it possible to find the cause? |
| 22:10.08 | sepult | Polarina: you can but that would not be that good i think |
| 22:10.20 | sepult | Polarina: since other things could depend on resolver |
| 22:10.34 | flexd | I'm pretty sure it's harddisk related as it's been running fine for 14days without any crashes, then i started writing something to the hdds and it started crashing :/ |
| 22:10.58 | Polarina | sepult: There's no such directory as /etc/resolvconf/resolvconf.d/ |
| 22:11.13 | sepult | Polarina: ok then install the package resolvonf |
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| 22:11.32 | sepult | uuupps |
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| 22:11.48 | Polarina | Sorry about that, pidgin crashed. |
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| 22:12.02 | sepult | flexd: usually /var/log/bla and grep for panic |
| 22:12.13 | sepult | Polarina: install resolvconf |
| 22:12.23 | sepult | Polarina: apt-get install resolvconf |
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| 22:12.55 | sepult | flexd: grep -i panic /var/log/messages for example |
| 22:13.15 | sepult | flexd: or grep -ir panic /var/log/ |
| 22:13.15 | Polarina | sepult: Thanks. |
| 22:13.28 | sepult | Polarina: np |
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| 22:14.35 | pleed | Hi there, |
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| 22:15.27 | pleed | I ve got a nfs problem: when trying to create a file via nfs, i get an "cannot create file ... Invalid Argument" Error leaving a 0 byte file on the nfs server, when trying to copy a second time that works |
| 22:15.32 | pleed | any ideas? |
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| 22:15.53 | sepult | pleed: do sync ? |
| 22:16.03 | numpy | pleed: what are your settings for sync and async? |
| 22:16.28 | sepult | pleed: obviously there is a lag |
| 22:16.47 | pleed | sync |
| 22:17.01 | _Elros_ | dondelelcaro: bug closed. Thanks and good night. |
| 22:17.11 | pleed | shall i try async? |
| 22:17.17 | sepult | pleed: try to change it to async |
| 22:17.24 | sepult | pleed: yes |
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| 22:18.28 | pleed | still getting: "zsh: invalid argument:bar" where i did "echo \"foo\" > bar |
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| 22:19.00 | pleed | trying a second time works |
| 22:19.02 | sepult | pleed: try giving absolute paths |
| 22:19.52 | pleed | echo "foo" >> /mnt/test/dir/bar is responded by "zsh: no such file or directory: /mnt/..." |
| 22:20.51 | sepult | pleed: is the nfs directory already mounted where you want to write ? |
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| 22:21.01 | pleed | sepult: yes, i see the files. |
| 22:21.10 | flexd | sepult, no panic in any of the logs |
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| 22:21.35 | flexd | but it seems /dev/hda is getting errors, then there's a jump in time in the logs (from when i rebooted it i suppose) |
| 22:21.43 | flexd | so i guess it's the hdd. |
| 22:22.36 | sepult | flexd: that can be, have a look in maybe hdparm ? |
| 22:23.00 | flexd | sepult, i'm not sure what to look for (or what options to use) |
| 22:23.11 | flexd | It seems to give decent speed atleast (-t option) |
| 22:23.17 | pleed | sepult: could it have something to do with access rights? |
| 22:23.26 | sepult | pleed: yes |
| 22:23.33 | sepult | pleed: check them too |
| 22:23.52 | sepult | pleed: but if you already got access i mean |
| 22:23.56 | ColOfNature | trying to build WorldOfGoo demo, fails with msg "error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" Where do I find libGLU? |
| 22:24.14 | sepult | ColOfNature: mesa |
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| 22:24.18 | \amethyst | ColOfNature: you know there are .debs of WorldOfGoo, right? |
| 22:24.21 | pleed | sepult: well i just tried a chmod 777 directory and i didnt get this error |
| 22:24.25 | sepult | ColOfNature: libglu |
| 22:24.48 | sepult | pleed: test again |
| 22:24.48 | ColOfNature | \amethyst: really? i'll have a look, thanks |
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| 22:25.37 | \amethyst | ColOfNature: http://worldofgoo.com/dl2.php?lk=demo&filename=WorldOfGooDemo.1.40.deb |
| 22:25.55 | pleed | sepult: yes, the 777 directory is directly writeable, the other throw "invalid argument" |
| 22:26.08 | \amethyst | ColOfNature: it installed fine for me in sid a while ago; probably it will work in lenny, too |
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| 22:26.27 | flexd | sepult, what am i supposed to look for in hdparm? |
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| 22:26.34 | sepult | pleed: ok then it's zsh feature |
| 22:26.36 | ColOfNature | \amethyst: nice one, cheers |
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| 22:27.15 | sepult | pleed: so redirection is the problem |
| 22:27.22 | [4-tea-2] | Howdy. Does anyone know of a command line tool to edit config files (in the format using [sections], like smb.cfg, my.cnf)? I'm using sed now, and I'm wondering whether there's a simpler way. |
| 22:27.23 | sepult | pleed: have a look in the manual maybe |
| 22:27.26 | pleed | sepult: getting the same on bash |
| 22:27.29 | Zarathust | how should i manage downloaded packages |
| 22:27.43 | Zarathust | for example im downloading firefox-3.0.9.tar.bz2 right now |
| 22:28.00 | Zarathust | should i unpack it all to my ~/ folder and execute everything from there? |
| 22:28.08 | Zarathust | or is there another way of doing it |
| 22:28.26 | adb | yes , install iceweasel |
| 22:28.29 | sepult | Zarathust: make a software folder maybe in ~/ |
| 22:28.38 | sepult | Zarathust: and unpack it there ? |
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| 22:29.02 | Zarathust | ok |
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| 22:29.52 | penguin__ | What version of Debian are we on now? |
| 22:29.59 | Zarathust | but i meant, like, isnt there some kind of folder in /usr for applications |
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| 22:30.38 | adb | Zarathust: not a firefox support here |
| 22:30.49 | dkr | I bookmarked a page in iceweasel last night at home. I am at work with vpn to home and ssh'd to home system. my bookmarks.html does not have the recent link. any idea if I can send a signal to the iceweasel proc to get it to write its current bookmarks to disk? e.g. a HUP to cause it to exit and flush to disk? |
| 22:31.44 | sepult | Zarathust: yes, but you unpack it configure it ./configure --prefix=/usr or --prefix=/usr/local |
| 22:31.57 | sepult | Zarathust: then you make and make install it |
| 22:32.01 | adb | Zarathust: try #firefox for support |
| 22:32.19 | sepult | Zarathust: if all went ok, then you may delete the folder where you unpacked it |
| 22:32.41 | Zarathust | ok |
| 22:32.58 | sepult | since it got installed |
| 22:33.00 | ColOfNature | what's the easiest way to force a 32 bit app to install in 64 bit when it doesn't want to be installed? |
| 22:33.50 | sepult | ColOfNature: make options man make |
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| 22:34.13 | sepult | ColOfNature: CPP=bla make -e blabla |
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| 22:34.46 | ColOfNature | unrelatedly, if i've installed something from source and deleted the source, what's the easiest way to uninstall it? |
| 22:34.55 | Zarathust | but is that going to list under dpkg --list ? |
| 22:35.09 | ColOfNature | sepult: cheers |
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| 22:35.37 | dkr | oh I just noticed a file called bookmarkbackups/bookmarks-2009-04-22.json hrm, but not in there either. maybe I misremembered bookmarking it. memory seems all downhill after 30 :) |
| 22:35.56 | sexiiprincess91 | hey |
| 22:35.58 | sepult | ColOfNature: you'd have to find all related to the name of the package or the executable by hand with maybe find or grep or locate in /etc/ /usr/lib /usr/bin /usr/share/doc etc.... |
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| 22:36.42 | sepult | ColOfNature: best would be to get the source again unpack and look in the config options where the paths are |
| 22:36.56 | sepult | ColOfNature: to where it installs things |
| 22:36.59 | dkr | aha, I found it in sessionstore.js |
| 22:38.43 | pleed | How can i mount an nfs directory 777 ? |
| 22:38.59 | pleed | My problem seems to have something to do with local access rights |
| 22:39.01 | ColOfNature | sepult: that's what i thought. checkinstall really ought to be made a part of the distro |
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| 22:42.50 | Zarathust | how can i disable netatalk |
| 22:42.59 | Zarathust | it takes ages at boot and i dont seem to need it |
| 22:44.27 | adama_ | Zarathust: try the update-rc.d command |
| 22:44.28 | PatrickBatman | apt-get remove --purge netatalk |
| 22:45.39 | Zarathust | thanks |
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| 22:52.10 | jetscreamer | chmod -x |
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| 22:59.14 | darkbulb | I have just installed a new hard drive in my debian box - how do I find out what label to use for fdisk |
| 22:59.23 | pleed | Is it so tricky to create a fileserver where several users have read/write access? what it the best way to guarantee that every user has full permissions on any file? |
| 23:00.02 | dondelelcaro | pleed: you generally don't want that, actually |
| 23:00.07 | pipeline | pleed: add all the users to a group; set sticky bit on the directory they're writing to; set the directory to be owned by and writable by that group. |
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| 23:00.14 | dkr | use a revision control system |
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| 23:00.33 | pleed | pipeline: and what about subdirectories?> |
| 23:00.53 | pleed | pipeline: when a user then creates a subdirectory, in that directory the other wont have permissions |
| 23:01.14 | pleed | dondelelcaro: yes i m sure i want that. |
| 23:01.39 | dkr | or just use nfs export options to make them all access as the same user |
| 23:01.45 | dkr | pleed: umask 002 |
| 23:01.55 | pipeline | pleed: heh, well, if the primary gid of all the users is the same... |
| 23:02.10 | pleed | pipeline: the primary isnt the same |
| 23:02.21 | dkr | getting them group owned is not hard(sticky bit does that), gettnig them group writable is what you need umask 002 for |
| 23:02.23 | pleed | dkr: nfs is not the only way it shall be accessible |
| 23:02.27 | pleed | also ftp |
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| 23:02.57 | dondelelcaro | pleed: the reason why you generally don't want it is because it means that anyone can stomp on anyone elses files. |
| 23:03.19 | dondelelcaro | pleed: users should be able to prevent that by using modes, and they should set modes of directories appropriately so that files that should be modifiable by groups can be |
| 23:03.35 | dkr | er, I meant setgid above, not sticky bit |
| 23:04.11 | dondelelcaro | of course, so long as the directories are g+ws, the files are g+r, you don't actually *need* write access to the files... |
| 23:04.36 | dondelelcaro | you can just delete the old version and replace it with a new one |
| 23:05.04 | pleed | okay |
| 23:05.06 | pleed | thanks |
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| 23:07.32 | dondelelcaro | that all said, using ACL, you can do things like that |
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| 23:16.16 | gorbo | I'd like some help with apache/php. when apache starts with php5, it gets a bus error. I've done 'apt-get --reinstall install' on everything I can think of around apache and php, but no joy. |
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| 23:18.13 | dondelelcaro | gorbo: you mean apache2, I assume? |
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| 23:18.58 | gorbo | yes. apache2 |
| 23:20.12 | Kefoo | Hi all. I'm getting this error at KDE 4.2 startup in unstable: "The audio playback device NVidia CK804 with ALC850 does not work. Falling back to default". Programs think they're playing sounds, but no sound is coming out. I've tried a few things I found online but none of them worked. Thoughts? |
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| 23:21.53 | gorbo | whoa..... interesting. invoking php5 from command line gives a bus error |
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| 23:28.57 | dondelelcaro | gorbo: so most likely you've got some library or something that is being loaded that shouldn't be. |
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| 23:29.10 | Zarathust | do you know a good gui ftp client i could use |
| 23:29.17 | dondelelcaro | gorbo: the output of ldd /usr/bin/php5 (or whatever the right path is) should be enlightening |
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| 23:30.29 | themill | Zarathust: a lot of people like filezilla. |
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| 23:52.03 | dick-richardson | is there a curl room, or can someone here tell me how to pass a newline character? |
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| 23:53.19 | dondelelcaro | dick-richardson: %0A? |
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| 23:54.28 | oh_noes | is it possibel to get deb uptime in minutes? |
| 23:54.44 | Polarina | oh_noes: uptime |
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| 23:55.25 | dondelelcaro | oh_noes: awk '{print $1/60}' /proc/uptime |
| 23:55.31 | darkham | someone with a rockboxed portable reader? |
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| 23:56.57 | dondelelcaro | darkham: #rockbox |
| 23:57.15 | oh_noes | the nr 13 worked for me, i just used printf |
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| 23:57.39 | Toad | is there an equivalent to chkconfig --list with update-rc.d? |
| 23:57.56 | Toad | (aside from just installing chkconfig) |
| 23:58.26 | darkham | dondelelcaro: yes, i know, but i only want to know if anybody have a Sansa Fuze with sulaboot |
| 23:58.30 | darkham | dualboot |
| 23:59.09 | dondelelcaro | darkham: assume the answer is yes, but since it's got nothing to do with Debian, you should ask in #rockbox |
| 23:59.32 | abrotman | Toad: like .. ls /etc/rc2.d/ ? what does your command do? |
| 23:59.51 | Tramp | oh_noes: you don't have to use printf, quoting properly is enough (and answering in the correct channel) |
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