| 00:00.10 | oh_noes | thanks |
| 00:00.48 | darkham | dondelecaro: i know, i ask response in pvt |
| 00:02.11 | Toad | abrotman: yea, like that, but a nice list format |
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| 00:03.41 | abrotman | Toad: ls -1 /etc/rc2.d :) |
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| 00:07.34 | abrotman | Toad: rcconf might help you .. not really sure what you're trying to do |
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| 00:12.33 | Toad | abrotman: I'm just translating a tutorial from Redhat/RPM/yum to debian/apt |
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| 00:13.54 | ozatomic | I'm using rsync to sync between 2 folders and make sure all is uptodate. But everytime i run it it copies the same files over again. The second folder that i'm syncing to is mapped from a windows machine could this be the problem? |
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| 00:14.29 | abrotman | Toad: ah ok |
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| 00:16.52 | Tramp | ozatomic: man rsync, search for "modify-window" - maybe that's your problem |
| 00:16.53 | natsukashi | Does 5.0.0 work with ext4? |
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| 00:17.49 | abrotman | it has ext4_dev |
| 00:18.16 | sonnie | hi there, i have installed oracle-instantclient11-basic, but still meets: libdbd-oracle-perl depends oracle-instantclient-basic |
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| 00:18.22 | oh_noes | Whats the difference between VmSize and VmRSS in cat /proc/XX/status |
| 00:18.54 | oh_noes | I have a java program which im using it Xms 128 and Xmm512, but its VmSize is 703M and VmRSS is 240M |
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| 00:30.21 | iuri | hi there, i opened a odt file and ameded the content. then i saved the file and closed it. Is there a way to get the old content back? |
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| 00:38.37 | jetscreamer | check the dir for a file of the same name with a ~ on the end .. aka only if you have a backup |
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| 00:38.58 | jetscreamer | some editors make a backup automatically |
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| 00:42.23 | Stanlin | Hibernation works!!! |
| 00:42.33 | jetscreamer | yay you did it |
| 00:42.39 | jetscreamer | !congratulate Stanlin |
| 00:42.40 | dpkg | Good show Stanlin, you did it! |
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| 00:42.56 | Stanlin | in a Virtual machine |
| 00:43.26 | jetscreamer | !tell Stanlin how much he rocks |
| 00:43.48 | jetscreamer | well ok |
| 00:43.48 | Stanlin | Thank you Mr. dpkg |
| 00:44.03 | jetscreamer | !say Stanlin you rock dude! |
| 00:44.04 | dpkg | aw, gee, jetscreamer |
| 00:44.08 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 00:44.11 | jetscreamer | oh well |
| 00:44.20 | jetscreamer | the bot thinks you're just ok i guess :) |
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| 00:46.20 | Stanlin | bloody capitalist he is |
| 00:48.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !bot |
| 00:48.53 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 00:49.33 | Polarina | !abuse |
| 00:49.33 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
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| 00:53.19 | armence | Hi all |
| 00:53.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hello |
| 00:53.31 | scientes | any program in debian that can use kml files? |
| 00:54.13 | armence | So, out of curiosity, what is a good CLI browser? |
| 00:54.23 | scientes | w3m/lynx |
| 00:54.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | links goo |
| 00:54.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *too |
| 00:55.01 | Manoj | emacs has decent browser built in |
| 00:55.09 | armence | ok... |
| 00:55.19 | armence | What about for email purposes? |
| 00:55.33 | armence | What's a good CLI email software? |
| 00:55.43 | Polarina | armence: Use X11. |
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| 00:55.45 | acton | pine, mutt, mailx |
| 00:56.53 | pulsx | i don't often use sound on my laptop but i just noticed that it's not working anymore. I'm running squeeze. |
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| 00:58.06 | pulsx | changing the audiodevice from 'autodetect' to alsa hasn't worked and my old standby of 'alsaconf' doesn't appear to exist anymore |
| 00:58.44 | pulsx | i'm in the 'audio' group which has ownership of /dev/dsp and permissions of 660 |
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| 00:59.32 | pulsx | can someone suggest some alternate fixes? |
| 00:59.45 | Agent_bob | what package/s is/are required to be able to play dvd vidios ? |
| 00:59.59 | pulsx | Agent_bob: vlc works fine here |
| 01:00.06 | eldowan | Agent_bob: you can watch a dvd with mplayer |
| 01:00.10 | pulsx | (except for sound) |
| 01:00.16 | Agent_bob | vlc good call |
| 01:00.52 | |W3rew0lf| | for movies best is vlc |
| 01:01.10 | jetscreamer | !best |
| 01:01.11 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 01:01.25 | |W3rew0lf| | lolz |
| 01:01.28 | jetscreamer | i prefer xine myself |
| 01:01.32 | Agent_bob | is there a handy package that provides "copy to hard drive" that i might install right quick ? |
| 01:01.34 | jetscreamer | xine-ui |
| 01:02.03 | |W3rew0lf| | !jetscreamer |
| 01:02.03 | jetscreamer | that's not a very clear statement, Agent_bob |
| 01:02.03 | dpkg | jetscreamer is not to be fucked with. |
| 01:02.09 | |W3rew0lf| | : S |
| 01:02.15 | Agent_bob | i would also like to copy a few to the hd and view them later jetscreamer |
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| 01:02.40 | jetscreamer | copy what, from where, and why can't you just copy them? |
| 01:02.56 | jetscreamer | ah movies |
| 01:03.31 | jetscreamer | you want to rip dvd's? |
| 01:03.31 | jetscreamer | or what |
| 01:03.31 | Agent_bob | jetscreamer well not really. but yes. |
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| 01:03.48 | jetscreamer | rip/transcode/encode/makesmaller-different\ format/ |
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| 01:04.05 | jetscreamer | or just cp ... cp what? |
| 01:04.09 | pulsx | a pastebin of lsmod is available at http://paste.debian.net/34261/ |
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| 01:04.13 | Agent_bob | just copy to hd |
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| 01:04.22 | jetscreamer | the .vob file on a dvd? an avi? |
| 01:04.45 | pulsx | k9copy will backup some dvds |
| 01:05.09 | Agent_bob | jetscreamer yes just to be able to copy the .vob files. they don't read correctly without something .... k9copy yeah.... |
| 01:05.23 | jetscreamer | or you want a copy of the entire dvd on your hd? dd if=/dev/dvd of=moviename.iso (/dev/dvd, /dev/cd, /dev/whatever.. libdvdcss2 |
| 01:05.23 | Agent_bob | thanks pulsx |
| 01:05.28 | jetscreamer | usually |
| 01:06.09 | jetscreamer | you can dd the dvd and mount it, or just use vlc or mplayer to play directly from the .iso |
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| 01:06.23 | jetscreamer | mount the .iso i mean |
| 01:06.27 | Agent_bob | eeek! Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 01:06.39 | jetscreamer | Agent_bob: like i said, marillat |
| 01:06.45 | jetscreamer | did i say that? |
| 01:06.48 | jetscreamer | !dmm |
| 01:06.48 | dpkg | it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 01:06.51 | jetscreamer | i meant to |
| 01:06.52 | Agent_bob | did you ? |
| 01:07.04 | pulsx | nope |
| 01:07.12 | jetscreamer | well i thought it... |
| 01:07.17 | jetscreamer | your telepathy sucks |
| 01:07.25 | pulsx | sorry, i'll adjust my rabbit ears |
| 01:08.18 | jetscreamer | !self help |
| 01:08.22 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 01:08.30 | jetscreamer | !self tell |
| 01:08.30 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
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| 01:09.06 | jetscreamer | so /msg dpkg dmm lenny or whatever |
| 01:10.07 | ozatomic | Tramp: Thanks for that rsync tip. It fixed it. |
| 01:10.13 | pulsx | i hate hotel internet |
| 01:10.20 | Tramp | yw |
| 01:10.35 | armence | So, here I am in my beautiful Debian system unpolluted by nasty GUIs... Now I would like to pollute it by installing GNOME, but I want GNOME to not start up unless I enter startx... (I want to get used to using the CLI) How can I do that? Is it hard? |
| 01:10.41 | jetscreamer | mplayer --dvd-device /path/to/movie.iso i forget if it needs an = ... --dvd-device= ... vlc has the same feature |
| 01:11.03 | Agent_bob | thanks jetscreamer all is well now. :) |
| 01:11.32 | jetscreamer | armence: either don't install gdm, or don't let gdm start automatically (?dm really) |
| 01:11.35 | jetscreamer | !nodm |
| 01:11.35 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 01:11.45 | eldowan | I thought it was mplayer dvd:// --dvd-device /path/to/movie.iso |
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| 01:12.30 | jetscreamer | well dvd://1 tells it to play the first track or something... |
| 01:12.42 | jetscreamer | and iirc dvd:// works just fine too |
| 01:12.43 | eldowan | sorry, I must have missed it up channel. |
| 01:13.07 | eldowan | jetscreamer: both are correct, dvd:// will start at dvd://1 |
| 01:13.08 | armence | jetscreamer: OK, what should I install then? |
| 01:13.12 | jetscreamer | i can't remember if dvd:// is required |
| 01:13.28 | eldowan | I believe it is. |
| 01:13.46 | pulsx | well it's a reboot to windows-ville. damn pulseaudio / snd-hda-intel / etc. |
| 01:14.03 | jetscreamer | armence: for the encryption? libdvdcss2 ... and i think there's a libdvdcss3 now too |
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| 01:15.00 | jetscreamer | marillat's (dmm) has a more recent version of mplayer usually also (iirc) |
| 01:15.06 | jetscreamer | and vlc is good too |
| 01:15.17 | jetscreamer | the player is a matter of taste |
| 01:15.26 | jetscreamer | w32codecs might be wanted |
| 01:15.41 | jetscreamer | along with libdvdwhicever |
| 01:15.53 | thirdwheel_ | heh... just used the sudoers file in a new debian VPS I just bought... and it works beautifully :D |
| 01:16.01 | thirdwheel_ | dunno what ubuntu did to theirs, but they broke it |
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| 01:16.18 | eldowan | yesterday I did aptitude safe-upgrade for the first time since lenny's release. I'm using testing. Now when I maximize a window in KDE, it expands across both screens instead of only filling one screen. Is there a way to fix this? |
| 01:16.46 | Agent_bob | i have one other question. i updated the kernel "lenny" the other day, hoping that it would make may stupid ati vidio "m200" work correctly; but insted it made the syystem unbootable. "kernel panic" i'm using another kernel now. but is there a recommended fix ? |
| 01:16.46 | abrotman | eldowan: checked the BTS? |
| 01:17.05 | eldowan | abrotman: AAH! i don't know where my mind is. Thanks |
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| 01:17.37 | jaggz- | http://www.fotothing.com/photos/0aa/0aaeae65c98e3319ca14f4fd394bd082_8d5.jpg <-- dead baby albatross body, and look what it had in its belly! |
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| 01:19.08 | scientes | E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header |
| 01:19.08 | scientes | E: _cache->open() failed, please report. |
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| 01:19.37 | natsukashi | Does Debian have Synaptic or will I have to manually search for packages? |
| 01:20.02 | Agent_bob | natsukashi yes. and aptitude |
| 01:20.05 | gravity | natsukashi: Yes it does |
| 01:20.12 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 01:20.13 | dpkg | well, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/dselect-beginner/ Also ask me about <aptitude>. see <fix-unmet> |
| 01:20.15 | gravity | Not that that's the only way to search for packages |
| 01:20.16 | natsukashi | Awesome, thanks. |
| 01:20.26 | Agent_bob | ok. i'm in a hurry so gooday and godbless |
| 01:20.41 | natsukashi | Well, it's the only way I know of. I'm quite new to this! |
| 01:20.52 | jetscreamer | use synaptic, it's fine |
| 01:21.30 | scientes | my apt is completely borked. how do i clean it up, removed cache files |
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| 01:22.19 | jetscreamer | apt-get clean , or apt-get autoclean for more automation... but files in the cache won't bork apt |
| 01:22.51 | scientes | Reading package lists... Done |
| 01:22.51 | scientes | E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header |
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| 01:22.54 | scientes | on every apt command |
| 01:23.04 | abrotman | scientes: so fix your preferences file |
| 01:23.08 | jetscreamer | /etc/apt/preferences |
| 01:23.17 | scientes | ahh i blanked it |
| 01:23.33 | scientes | didnt realize that would mess with it |
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| 01:38.13 | brutus | * brutus is bored |
| 01:38.36 | thirdwheel_ | wonders if brutus used /me for that or if his client is retarded |
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| 01:39.04 | brutus | now knows how to use /me |
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| 01:39.11 | thirdwheel_ | his = thirdwheel_ that is |
| 01:39.19 | thirdwheel_ | apologies for the vague pronoun |
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| 01:40.07 | thirdwheel_ | can see that brutus is a natural ;) |
| 01:40.21 | jetscreamer | !help |
| 01:40.45 | adb | ? |
| 01:40.51 | brutus | likes the feeling of third person chatting |
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| 01:55.47 | SuperMiguel | how good is xfce in debian? |
| 01:56.21 | jpinx-eeepc | used xfce once but now uses lxde |
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| 01:56.57 | SuperMiguel | jpinx-eeepc, is it stable> |
| 01:57.00 | SuperMiguel | ? |
| 01:57.02 | adb | get it a try SuperMiguel |
| 01:57.23 | jpinx-eeepc | SuperMiguel: it was ok - I just preferred lxde |
| 01:57.34 | SuperMiguel | ima try it |
| 01:58.00 | jpinx-eeepc | dobre ;) |
| 01:59.21 | SuperMiguel | wow 10+ mb it is really small :) |
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| 01:59.47 | jpinx-eeepc | SuperMiguel: too big for me ;) |
| 02:00.06 | SuperMiguel | lol |
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| 02:05.35 | SuperMiguel | ephypany vs iceweasel?? |
| 02:05.49 | adb | both |
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| 02:08.52 | Zarathust | jpinx-eeepc what model do you have |
| 02:09.16 | gravity | To the death! |
| 02:09.42 | jpinx-eeepc | 701 |
| 02:09.51 | Zarathust | ok |
| 02:10.00 | Zarathust | i have a 901 but i cant get the ralink wireless to work |
| 02:10.07 | abrotman | !eeepc |
| 02:10.07 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:10.17 | jpinx-eeepc | is running it to destruction |
| 02:10.32 | Zarathust | !rt2860 eee |
| 02:10.32 | dpkg | it has been said that rt2860 eee is add the Debian Eee PC repository, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Repository . Pre-built: "aptitude update && aptitude install rt2860-modules-$(uname -r)" Module assistant: "aptitude update && aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i rt2860". http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta |
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| 02:11.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Zarathust: it's a desktop, remote desktop, http server, communications centre and music player :) |
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| 02:12.06 | Zarathust | ya it's a nice device |
| 02:12.54 | jpinx-eeepc | Zarathust: hope you get your wifi working:) |
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| 02:13.26 | Zarathust | i hope otherwise its gonna lose a great deal of charm |
| 02:13.28 | jpinx-eeepc | I have sen comments in #debian-eeepc@irc.debian.org on that topic |
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| 02:13.59 | jpinx-eeepc | Zarathust: it might be worth your while to call in there |
| 02:14.28 | Zarathust | thanks |
| 02:14.57 | jpinx-eeepc | Zarathust: np ;) |
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| 02:19.06 | Yeretik | Hi... I have a little problem to start my compiz-fusion... I started it writing "fusion-icon" but after this, i need to go to the fusion icon and click on "Reload Window Manager"... I'm using debian squeeze on my laptop and lenny on my desktop PC and in both PCs happens the same... Some suggestion? |
| 02:19.19 | Yeretik | Oppps sorry |
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| 02:23.28 | ajavid | when you install via netboot over wifi, how exactly do you put in the firmware at that point? the installer can load non-free firmware, but how do you feed it that? what files or package to give it? |
| 02:23.33 | ajavid | I can't figure this out? |
| 02:24.17 | Stanlin | debian rocks using it via NX |
| 02:24.31 | adb | !firmware |
| 02:24.32 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some non-free firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
| 02:25.38 | ajavid | !installer firmware |
| 02:25.38 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to |
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| 02:32.25 | bluethundr | guys.. trying to setup pound. ./configure fails generating this error: Missing OpenSSL (-lcrypto) - aborted even though openssl is installed. |
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| 02:33.34 | Wyzard | bluethundr: library packages contain the compiled library for running already-compiled programs, not the headers for compiling new programs against the library |
| 02:33.42 | Wyzard | bluethundr: Those are in separate packages because most people don't need them |
| 02:33.46 | Wyzard | bluethundr: Install libssl-dev |
| 02:34.03 | bluethundr | Wyzard: ah thank you kind sir. |
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| 02:34.55 | bluethundr | thank you again. configure worked! :) |
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| 02:38.03 | xoz | what's the workaround if the root directory has run out of inode? |
| 02:38.39 | abrotman | uh .. free some of them up |
| 02:39.05 | jpinx-eeepc | Stanlin: what's the advantage of nx over ssh -x ? |
| 02:39.43 | jpinx-eeepc | xoz: fdupes maybe |
| 02:39.52 | Stanlin | im in windows vista |
| 02:40.09 | Stanlin | jpinx-eeepc: im on vista... ( i failed to setup hibernation with debian, so i rolled back) |
| 02:40.38 | Wyzard | xoz: Either delete some files, or backup and recreate the filesystem with more inodes |
| 02:40.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Stanlin: can you not use ssh-x with putty or similar? |
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| 02:41.09 | at0m|c | jpinx-eeepc: putty doesn't do x, just terminal |
| 02:41.16 | xoz | so no regrow :).. thanks for the suggestions |
| 02:41.20 | FluxD | Hi, I am trying to tab complete a folder thru ssh but getting this error |
| 02:41.30 | FluxD | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.30 | FluxD | -sh: <( compgen -d -- '' ): No such file or directory |
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| 02:45.12 | Wyzard | xoz: I think I've read something recently about some new filesystem supporting dynamic allocation of inodes, probably btrfs |
| 02:45.14 | Wyzard | but that's a long way off |
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| 02:48.58 | jpinx-eeepc | at0m|c: as a matter of interest, can I do the equivalent of ssh-x into an XP box? |
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| 02:49.35 | Wyzard | jpinx-eeepc: If you have an sshd and some X clients installed on the XP box (e.g. cygwin) |
| 02:49.46 | at0m|c | jpinx-eeepc: don't know, don't have an ssh server on xp |
| 02:49.54 | Wyzard | jpinx-eeepc: but you can't do it with native Windows applications |
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| 02:50.08 | at0m|c | tried cygwin couple years ago yet unsuccesfully |
| 02:50.36 | at0m|c | now i've learnt some more, back then it was rocket science to me, maybe can retry :] |
| 02:50.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Wyzard: thanks for that - I'll have a play around one day then ;) |
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| 02:52.18 | jpinx-eeepc | googles cygwin etc |
| 02:52.29 | lostson | rhyth |
| 02:52.46 | Wyzard | I don't really like cygwin much... feels klugey and doesn't really fit in |
| 02:52.58 | abrotman | the X or the shell? |
| 02:52.59 | Wyzard | anyway, it's offtopic here |
| 02:53.05 | SuperMiguel | whats not as slow as gnome and not as ugly as floxbox?? |
| 02:53.11 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: xfce |
| 02:53.51 | lostson | SuperMiguel: lxde isnt bad either |
| 02:54.52 | jpinx-eeepc | SuperMiguel: lxde ;) |
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| 02:57.55 | FluxD | Hi, I am trying to tab complete a folder thru ssh but getting this error cd -sh: <( compgen -d -- '' ): No such file or directory -sh: <( compgen -d -- '' ): No such file or directory |
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| 03:00.42 | abrotman | FluxD: echo $0 |
| 03:00.47 | abrotman | FluxD: and .. `uname -a` |
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| 03:01.55 | Dracie | hello how do i check battery levels on an original ibook g3 |
| 03:01.58 | Dracie | from cli |
| 03:02.40 | Dracie | i don't have acpi or apm |
| 03:03.03 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 03:03.04 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 03:03.09 | Dracie | thx |
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| 03:03.54 | el_critter | Hi, is it possible to bond interfaces on different subnets (different ISPs)? |
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| 03:04.19 | SuperMiguel | when i try to install virtualbox i get: missing libqt4-network, libqtcore4 and libqtgui4 |
| 03:05.18 | jpinx-eeepc | Is tightvnc -ing into an XP a different thing from samba? Or does one depend on the other? |
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| 03:06.36 | Dracie | install them? |
| 03:06.41 | Wyzard | jpinx-eeepc: They're completely unrelated |
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| 03:07.05 | Wyzard | jpinx-eeepc: samba is for file and printer sharing, e.g. mounting filesystems over the network |
| 03:07.28 | Wyzard | jpinx-eeepc: VNC is similar to RDP (remote desktop) -- it lets you view the remote machine's screen |
| 03:07.29 | adb | Dracie: apt-file show battery levels |
| 03:07.45 | jpinx-eeepc | Wyzard: cool - thanks - looks like vnc is the way to go;) |
| 03:08.42 | Wyzard | jpinx-eeepc: VNC is less bandwidth-efficient than RDP though -- RDP operates at the GDI level, so what gets sent over the network is high-level drawing commands, whereas VNC is basically a continuously-updated screenshot, just sending blocks of pixels |
| 03:09.05 | SuperMiguel | when install virtualbox i get an error saying: No suitable module for running kernel found failed! |
| 03:09.22 | Wyzard | wishes there were something like an RDP server for X11 |
| 03:09.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Wyzard: thanks for that insight - I'll google RDP then ;) |
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| 03:09.51 | Wyzard | jpinx-eeepc: RDP is Windows-specific (though there are clients for other platforms, including Debian) |
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| 03:10.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Wyzard: cool - I'm trying to control a remote XP box from a debian stable box |
| 03:10.58 | Wyzard | RDP would probably be the best choice for that, then |
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| 03:11.23 | jpinx-eeepc | Wyzard: both behind a NAT, so no serious security issues. |
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| 03:11.53 | adb | jpinx-eeepc: apt-cache show xrdp |
| 03:11.54 | jpinx-eeepc | googles more on RDP |
| 03:12.33 | jpinx-eeepc | adb: nice one :) |
| 03:12.55 | jpinx-eeepc | interesting that it depends on a vnc server |
| 03:13.23 | jpinx-eeepc | s/recommends/depends |
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| 03:13.51 | adb | only recommends |
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| 03:14.18 | jpinx-eeepc | searches for what's needed on the XP box |
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| 03:15.41 | Wyzard | jpinx-eeepc: System control panel, Remote tab |
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| 03:16.04 | jpinx-eeepc | Wyzard: really? no additional applications? |
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| 03:16.10 | Pnux | hey, im having some issues with sound, from time to time it randomly stops and cant hear anything. After a while, it "magically" starts working again.. is there anything i can do to narrow down the possibilities of whats causing this problem? |
| 03:16.26 | Wyzard | It's a built-in feature (in "pro" versions of Windows) |
| 03:16.50 | Wyzard | Like I said, RDP is a Microsoft protocol -- had to be reverse-engineered for open-source clients to be written, I think |
| 03:17.23 | adb | Microsoft Windows users can connect to a system running xrdp without installing additional software |
| 03:17.45 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks Wyzard - you're a fount of info for me tonight :) |
| 03:18.02 | Wyzard | hmm, xrdp seems interesting |
| 03:18.19 | jpinx-eeepc | adb: yea - I saw that - but I'm trying to work the other way - linux controlling XP (as it should );) |
| 03:18.21 | Wyzard | but I suspect that it's no more efficient than VNC, just sending bitmap updates |
| 03:19.30 | Wyzard | I don't think the design of X11 would allow a program to insert itself into the protocol at a higher level than that |
| 03:19.31 | jpinx-eeepc | if xrdp is not the way forward in lenny, what is ? |
| 03:19.47 | Wyzard | jpinx-eeepc: xrdp is a server, not a client |
| 03:20.01 | Wyzard | jpinx-eeepc: For a client to connect to your remote Windows machine, see the rdesktop package |
| 03:20.23 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - reading |
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| 03:21.05 | jpinx-eeepc | looks neat:) |
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| 03:21.49 | jpinx-eeepc | only 434KB installed :) |
| 03:21.57 | Wyzard | yep |
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| 03:22.21 | Wyzard | It's command-line... there are some GUI wrappers for it, that provide a window similar to that of the Windows Remote Desktop client for choosing the remote host and connection options |
| 03:22.27 | Wyzard | The "tsclient" is one that I know of |
| 03:22.32 | Wyzard | err, "tsclient" package |
| 03:23.14 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - so it's not the same as an Z session over ssh? |
| 03:23.24 | jpinx-eeepc | err X session |
| 03:24.15 | Wyzard | Remote X11 works at the level of individual windows |
| 03:24.53 | Wyzard | and is used for new clients, not existing ones (you can't use ssh X tunneling to view windows that are already open on the remote machine's local monitor) |
| 03:25.27 | jpinx-eeepc | sheesh - tsclient is 30MBs installed:( |
| 03:25.39 | jpinx-eeepc | drags in a fair bit of gnome |
| 03:25.46 | Wyzard | RDP exports the whole desktop (background and everything) and the Remote Desktop server actually disconnects the existing login session (open windows and all) from the local monitor and sends it over the network instead |
| 03:25.50 | Wyzard | so they're very different |
| 03:25.55 | Wyzard | yeah, tsclient is a GNOME app (or at least GTK) |
| 03:26.12 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:26.33 | Wyzard | whee, my laptop is now using ext4 |
| 03:27.32 | jpinx-eeepc | gnome-rdp depends on ssh,vnc and rdesktop, as well as a bunch of libs |
| 03:28.01 | jpinx-eeepc | 71 MBs installed |
| 03:28.05 | jpinx-eeepc | :( |
| 03:28.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Wyzard: what's the advantage of ext4 ? |
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| 03:28.42 | Dracie | hehe |
| 03:28.54 | Dracie | ext4 is faster in general |
| 03:29.02 | Wyzard | jpinx-eeepc: faster and more fragmentation-resistant |
| 03:29.07 | Dracie | if your looking for compatibility don't bother |
| 03:29.17 | Dracie | unless you don't use that one feature of ext4 |
| 03:29.22 | Dracie | forgot what its called |
| 03:29.32 | Dracie | technically speaking it can be backwards compatible |
| 03:29.35 | jpinx-eeepc | compatibility with what? |
| 03:29.46 | Dracie | linux kernels that don't have support for ext4 |
| 03:30.00 | Wyzard | Well, you can mount an ext3 filesystem with the ext4 driver and get some of the benefits |
| 03:30.01 | Dracie | to me that was the biggest issue |
| 03:30.14 | Wyzard | but if you enable extents on the filesystem (the main new feature) you lose compatibility with ext3 |
| 03:30.17 | jpinx-eeepc | which kernel started supporting it? |
| 03:30.18 | jamon | have to tune2fs things i've found though |
| 03:30.33 | jamon | be sure to set/unset flags after unmounting |
| 03:30.35 | Wyzard | ext3 became stable (no longer marked experimental) in 2.6.28 |
| 03:30.37 | Wyzard | sid has 2.6.29 |
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| 03:31.00 | jpinx-eeepc | will wait;) |
| 03:31.04 | Wyzard | jamon: actually, I just backed up and recreated the entire filesystem, then restored from backup, so everything is allocated with extents now |
| 03:31.30 | jamon | Wyzard: ah cool, that's how i migrated too |
| 03:31.51 | jamon | you don't get full benefits if upgrading from ext3 |
| 03:32.22 | Wyzard | eventually there'll be an online defragmenter, and that'll support reallocating existing files to use extents |
| 03:32.26 | jpinx-eeepc | is not much further forward with controlling an x session in a remote XP box |
| 03:32.29 | Wyzard | (or so I've read) |
| 03:32.45 | Wyzard | At that point you'll be able to convert ext3 to ext4 and get all the benefits |
| 03:32.56 | jamon | cool |
| 03:33.05 | Wyzard | assuming your ext3 was created relatively recently (older versions of mkfs.ext3 create 128-byte inodes rather than 256-byte |
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| 03:42.29 | anoHito | it is very strange,after 1 year and a half of uptime, the server load average becomes very high only when delete datas from disk |
| 03:43.03 | anoHito | the load ave can boom from 1 to 40 by just deleting 100MB or so files from disk |
| 03:43.07 | anoHito | any idea ? |
| 03:43.29 | jamon | strace rm to get a start |
| 03:44.18 | anoHito | what do you mean ? |
| 03:45.35 | jamon | anoHito: well, sounds like rm is causing a problem for you, see what kind of system calls it is making |
| 03:46.01 | anoHito | i use debian etch. |
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| 03:47.19 | anoHito | how do i find it out |
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| 03:48.06 | jamon | anoHito: well, you should upgrade your kernel since after that much uptime you're running an insecure version no doubt |
| 03:48.18 | jamon | anoHito: and after you reboot, your problem will be gone :) |
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| 03:48.30 | anoHito | my kernel is up2date |
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| 03:49.45 | jamon | anoHito: i don't understand, 1 & 1/2 years of uptime and your kernel is up to date? |
| 03:50.03 | chuck | How do I install a dpkg while forcing it to overwrite my old config files |
| 03:50.05 | jamon | or are you saying you've been using etch for a year and half |
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| 03:51.09 | anoHito | jabular, of course i always keep the kernel up2date |
| 03:51.33 | anoHito | been using etch 2 year or so this has nothing to do with wether the kernel is up2date or no. |
| 03:51.41 | anoHito | i my option :) |
| 03:52.52 | anoHito | jabular, can this be the disk problem ?needs to be defraged ? |
| 03:53.04 | adb | uname -r |
| 03:53.26 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.41 | anoHito | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem |
| 03:53.58 | adb | uptime |
| 03:54.21 | scientes | how can you figure out what is breaking a upgrade dependancy map? |
| 03:55.08 | adb | sources.list ? |
| 03:55.20 | anoHito | uptime is only several days |
| 03:55.45 | jamon | also, 100mb of files, are they 2 bytes or 10kb each, makes a difference |
| 03:55.51 | anoHito | source list is |
| 03:55.52 | anoHito | deb http://www.ring.gr.jp/archives/linux/debian/debian/ etch main |
| 03:56.05 | anoHito | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 03:56.15 | anoHito | deb-src http://www.ring.gr.jp/archives/linux/debian/debian/ etch main |
| 03:56.20 | anoHito | That it is. |
| 03:56.51 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.23 | anoHito | ? |
| 03:57.45 | anoHito | jamon, very small files spitted in many different sub folders |
| 03:57.53 | anoHito | jabular, i.e. those common forums. |
| 03:58.07 | anoHito | i am wondering if there is a disk bottleheck |
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| 03:58.56 | anoHito | but when i am doing delteing things, the cpu usage is very low |
| 03:59.03 | anoHito | less than 1% |
| 03:59.18 | anoHito | while the server is providing complete http services |
| 03:59.28 | anoHito | just the load avg is bloody high |
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| 04:00.18 | Zarathust | is there any tutorial on how string buffers pass between windows? |
| 04:00.25 | Zarathust | and inside shell, more important |
| 04:00.31 | iateadonut | something like this: sed -n 'N;s/.*Penang.*\n.*\n.*\n.*Email: \([^,]*\).*/\1/p' < file - i'm not doing the line breaks correctly - how do i do that? |
| 04:01.40 | iateadonut | when i use said, i'm looking to gather information from the fourth line after (three line breaks after) text like 'Penang'. |
| 04:01.50 | iateadonut | but i'm not doing well with the line breaks. |
| 04:01.53 | anoHito | deleting in total 30MB files ...it is not finished and 15 minutes is past |
| 04:02.00 | jello | iateadonut: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:02.09 | jello | Zarathust: huh? |
| 04:02.17 | jello | strings? |
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| 04:02.35 | iateadonut | sed -n 'N;s/.*Penang.*\n.*\n.*\n.*Email: \([^,]*\).*/\1/p' < file - i think i'm wrong on the line breaks \n.* is a total line, right? |
| 04:03.23 | jello | so you want the fourth line after Penang? |
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| 04:03.53 | iateadonut | right. |
| 04:03.55 | iateadonut | sed -n 'N;s/.*Tokyo.*\n.*Email: \([^,]*\).*/\1/p' < /home/dan/Desktop/0001 |
| 04:03.55 | iateadonut | this is the one to get all the email address where the previous line starts with 'Tokyo' - i want to change it to get three lines later. |
| 04:04.09 | jello | grep -A 4 Penang | tail -n 1 |
| 04:04.33 | jello | cat /home/dan/Desktop/0001 | ... |
| 04:04.55 | Zarathust | how do you copy paste between programs? |
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| 04:04.57 | Stilgar^ | hello |
| 04:05.06 | iateadonut | yeah, but i need to get the email addresses out. |
| 04:05.08 | iateadonut | let me try that, tough. |
| 04:05.25 | iateadonut | and there's many many instances of the word penang in the file. |
| 04:05.26 | jello | Zarathust: highlight by dragging with the left mouse button, then use the middle button to paste |
| 04:05.46 | jello | iateadonut: so do cat.... | head -n 200 | .... |
| 04:05.56 | jello | so you only work on the first 200 lines of the file |
| 04:06.08 | jello | then you can just remove the head part |
| 04:06.15 | jello | !greet Stilgar^ |
| 04:06.16 | dpkg | Gr33tz, Stilgar^ |
| 04:06.24 | Stilgar^ | I want to buy a new video card - I don't care too much for 3D acceleration, only for HD video playback. |
| 04:06.30 | Tramp | iateadonut: generally speaking, sed is not the right tool with task spanning several lines, since it operates "line by line", stripping newlines and adding them in again later. |
| 04:06.32 | Zarathust | can we do it with the keyboard? |
| 04:06.43 | jello | Zarathust: man xsel |
| 04:07.04 | Stilgar^ | I prefer a completely open drivers solution, but both ATI and Nvidia have their binary drivers that supply that. |
| 04:07.06 | iateadonut | i need ALL instances though. |
| 04:07.27 | jello | iateadonut: start with 200 just for debugging purposes |
| 04:07.35 | Zarathust | no manual for xsel |
| 04:07.36 | Stilgar^ | There's the radeonhd driver (for X) that's open, but it doesn't do xv extension. |
| 04:07.43 | jello | Zarathust: do you have it installed?? |
| 04:07.58 | Zarathust | fetching |
| 04:08.08 | iateadonut | i ran this - cat /home/dan/Desktop/0001 | grep -A 3 Penang | tail -n 1 - and this gives me back just one line. i need it to give me about 20-40 email addresses. |
| 04:08.11 | jello | Stilgar^: i don't think Intel is making standalone video cards yet |
| 04:08.12 | Zarathust | ok thanks |
| 04:08.21 | Stilgar^ | jello, true. |
| 04:08.39 | thirdwheel_ | iateadonut, well the tail bit would only give you one line, probably ditch that |
| 04:09.03 | Stilgar^ | I'm just not sure if ATI's commitment to opening up their documents will lead to them releasing their driver as open source or having the full feature set it offers in the open source drivers. |
| 04:09.48 | jello | iateadonut: try this |
| 04:10.11 | jello | iateadonut: cat /home/dan/Desktop/0001 | grep -A 3 Penang | sed -n '4,4p' |
| 04:10.17 | Tramp | !uuoc |
| 04:10.17 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 04:10.46 | iateadonut | still only gives one. |
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| 04:11.41 | iateadonut | here's the thing... the second line is a telephone number, and this command: |
| 04:11.41 | iateadonut | sed -n 'N;s/.*Penang.*\n.*Tel: \([^,]*\).*/\1/p' < /home/dan/Desktop/0001 |
| 04:11.41 | iateadonut | gives me a nice list of Telephone numbers with the "Tel: " stripped from it. I'd like to get the same kind of list so I don't have to cut and paste except for emails. |
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| 04:12.03 | iateadonut | so, just wondering how I cahnge the *\n. line break into several line breaks. |
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| 04:13.27 | iateadonut | gotta go to lunch. |
| 04:14.14 | doleyb | Stilgar^: for HD playbacks, maybe try an nvidia vdpau |
| 04:14.47 | jello | iateadonut: cat /home/dan/Desktop/0001 | grep -A 3 Penang | sed -n '4,${p;n;n;n}' |
| 04:14.49 | Stilgar^ | thanks |
| 04:15.24 | jello | iateadonut: the sed part prints every fourth line (starting with #4) |
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| 04:21.47 | pupdog | i need a deb that contains libXp.so.6 |
| 04:22.16 | pupdog | can a rpm be made directly into a deb? |
| 04:24.05 | Stilgar^ | pupdog: go to packages.debian.org and search according to package contents |
| 04:24.06 | Stilgar^ | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libXp.so.6&mode=path&suite=unstable&arch=any |
| 04:26.40 | jello | pupdog: apt-file search libXp.so.6 |
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| 04:27.15 | jello | pupdog: surprise, surprise... it's in the libxp6 package |
| 04:28.13 | pupdog | 5 points jello |
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| 04:28.36 | jello | pupdog: now you know how to do it for next time |
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| 04:42.03 | SuperMiguel | if i have dual monitor is there a way to load a program on a specific monitor?? |
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| 04:43.51 | jello | SuperMiguel: i think you can just specify the position using -geometry so that it ends up displayed on #2 |
| 04:45.26 | SuperMiguel | jello, how? any idea |
| 04:46.11 | pupdog | yeah |
| 04:46.15 | pupdog | um... |
| 04:46.52 | pupdog | maybe. never tried it. right-click>Advanced>... |
| 04:47.04 | pupdog | i dont remember. i'm not on my deb install right now. |
| 04:47.23 | pupdog | wait, are you using kde? |
| 04:47.52 | pupdog | you can do it in kde by getting kde to remember the position of the window so it SHOULD remember which monitor, but idk |
| 04:47.57 | SuperMiguel | hat im trying to do is to make a startup script to run firefox but on my external monitor |
| 04:48.06 | SuperMiguel | im in gnome |
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| 04:50.48 | LOST | I have Debian Lenny running on #1 with KDE 4 and Samba Server on LAN Windows XP Pro can see it and work with it and #1 can see and work with Win XP Pro.. Problem is that Ubuntu 8.04 ( Computer #2 ) will not open #1 Files that are shared. #1 can see the Windows Network and works fine with that... Any Solutions ? |
| 04:51.46 | Stilgar^ | LOST: the problem is between two linux machines trying to share files using samba? |
| 04:51.59 | LOST | That is correct |
| 04:52.54 | LOST | I see that the Lenny Machine cannot see the Ubuntu files either |
| 04:54.33 | jello | SuperMiguel: try xcalc -geometry +200+200 |
| 04:55.12 | jello | LOST: are they both in the same domain/workgroup? |
| 04:55.43 | LOST | That is an excellent question ... let me see |
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| 04:56.48 | jello | SuperMiguel: for more info, see the Geometry section of X(7) |
| 04:58.00 | SuperMiguel | ya but it doesnt work w firefox :( |
| 04:58.44 | LOST | I made them on the same workgroup now... but usually that is the issue with windows... and my XP picked up the #1 computer with no problem |
| 04:58.46 | jello | SuperMiguel: reportbug firefox |
| 04:59.21 | SuperMiguel | :( |
| 04:59.31 | jello | LOST: so the XP machine can see both servers |
| 04:59.33 | jello | ? |
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| 05:01.22 | LOST | XP and Ubuntu are on same machine Partitioned... Ubuntu can still see my windows network.. |
| 05:01.59 | jello | LOST: okay, i'm confused... what's not working? |
| 05:02.43 | SuperMiguel | jello, EXPORT DISPLAY=:0 && /usr/bin/firefox |
| 05:02.54 | SuperMiguel | jello, but cant find export |
| 05:03.58 | thirdwheel_ | no need to even export - just DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/firefox will do |
| 05:04.04 | jello | SuperMiguel: lowercase export |
| 05:04.20 | jello | but thirdwheel_ is correct, export is unnecessary if using bash |
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| 05:04.50 | LOST | lol... When I run Ubuntu .. I cannot see the Shared folders that my Debian server is sharing....I c now that my Debian machine cannot see the Ubuntu server either... When XP is running though,, I can see both servers Windows XP to Debian and Debian to XP... ( Sorry I am a very Newbie with this stuff) |
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| 05:05.16 | jello | sounds like an ubuntu problem to me |
| 05:05.22 | jello | not a debian one |
| 05:05.32 | jello | anyways, g'night all |
| 05:05.38 | LOST | Thanx |
| 05:06.27 | krlioux | So... I've downloaded debian lenny minimal cd and installed it on my computer. Everything was ok, but... I only have the minimun install, so I can log only using the terminal and my internet connection doesnt work because its wireless, and debian didnt recognized it right away. what should I do now? |
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| 05:08.34 | krlioux | As far I know, debian usually download some essencial packages such the X Window Server, and others if I have a connection detected during install, which wasnt my case. So can anyone help me? Sorry if I'm asking at the wrong place. |
| 05:09.11 | zhangweiwu | Hello. I "enjoyed" a lot of problems by mixing software from stable and testing, now I removed testing from my source list and aptitude updated, what should I do to make all packages downgrade to the stable version? |
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| 05:12.34 | LOST | :-* |
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| 05:24.39 | Zarathust | is there some kind of CLI packages manager like synaptic ? |
| 05:25.05 | Wyzard | Zarathust: aptitude |
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| 05:26.13 | Zarathust | i asked the wrong question |
| 05:26.32 | Zarathust | i mean to browse packages but with curses |
| 05:26.42 | Wyzard | As I said, aptitude :-) |
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| 05:26.53 | Zarathust | ok =) |
| 05:26.54 | Wyzard | Run it without any arguments |
| 05:27.12 | Zarathust | rofl |
| 05:27.14 | Zarathust | ok thanks! |
| 05:27.45 | Wyzard | (interactive mode is the normal way of using it as far as I'm concerned) |
| 05:28.48 | Zarathust | ok |
| 05:29.12 | Zarathust | i usually find tutorial with specific names |
| 05:29.19 | Zarathust | that didn't really made sense |
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| 05:45.03 | winters | Ciao a tutti |
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| 05:48.34 | lepassive | sorry to pop this here, anyone used ubuntu 9.04? |
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| 05:49.05 | centHOGG | <server in garage |
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| 05:50.37 | worr | what time do packages typically get pushed into unstable? |
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| 05:54.12 | Zarathust | i get a lot of gpg error when updating packages |
| 05:54.27 | Zarathust | it says like "key not set" |
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| 06:00.14 | loafers | anyone here use openbox? if so how did you get it to be smooth and visually appealing? i installed the base system along with themes and gtk engine, but its still not smooth and not as nice looking as i thought it would be. |
| 06:00.38 | centHOGG | <lxde |
| 06:00.40 | mosno | loafers: looks good to me. maybe it's just your fonts? |
| 06:00.55 | mosno | loafers: there's also obconf, i believe |
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| 06:06.17 | Mood | does debian have lsb_release? |
| 06:06.36 | loafers | mosno, hmm maybe the font yeah, also the video is choppy any way to fix that? |
| 06:06.48 | Manoj | ii lsb-release 3.2-22 Linux Standard Base version reporting utility |
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| 06:07.01 | ajavid | my sound is no go, amarok can't find any sound output |
| 06:07.06 | ajavid | I installed alsa |
| 06:07.10 | mosno | loafers: video drivers perhaps |
| 06:07.11 | ajavid | what happened to alsaconf? |
| 06:07.23 | Mood | ajavid: does speaker-test -c2 work? |
| 06:07.27 | centHOGG | wow.. for debian should be there |
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| 06:07.46 | centHOGG | cat /proc/asound/oss/sndstat |
| 06:08.23 | ajavid | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 06:08.50 | ajavid | 0: Realtek ALC885 |
| 06:09.01 | ajavid | 0: ALC882 Analog (DUPLEX) |
| 06:09.08 | ajavid | alc882 audio |
| 06:09.39 | centHOGG | good try root: aptitude search "~i" | grep alsa |
| 06:09.46 | centHOGG | what does it show |
| 06:09.59 | ajavid | all of em |
| 06:10.08 | centHOGG | i alsa-base |
| 06:10.15 | centHOGG | or alsa-common (i forget) |
| 06:10.27 | ajavid | base tools utils |
| 06:10.30 | centHOGG | good |
| 06:10.35 | centHOGG | have you rebooted |
| 06:10.39 | ajavid | wtf for? |
| 06:10.42 | centHOGG | ha |
| 06:11.44 | ajavid | The user `ajavid' is already a member of `audio'. |
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| 06:12.26 | loafers | When i typed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I does not give me an option to adjust my resolution. Any suggestions? |
| 06:12.30 | centHOGG | <gonna crash in 5 min |
| 06:13.00 | ajavid | $>aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 06:13.00 | ajavid | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 06:13.00 | ajavid | aplay: main:590: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
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| 06:13.13 | centHOGG | xrandr -s 1024x768 |
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| 06:14.07 | Datz | i386 installer is correct one for all intel 32bit installations? |
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| 06:15.01 | Datz | debhelper help |
| 06:15.10 | OpenTokix | Datz: yes |
| 06:15.15 | Datz | Ok, thanks |
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| 06:15.21 | OpenTokix | Datz: unless its a powerpc 32 bit installation ofc. |
| 06:15.45 | maligor | intel doesn't make ppcs :P |
| 06:15.52 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 06:16.00 | loafers | centHOGG, Thanks I tried it and it says that size is not found in available modes along with 800x600. Maybe because I'm using on vbox? |
| 06:16.02 | ajavid | centHOGG, why am I rebooting? |
| 06:16.04 | maligor | they did make arm's for a while tho :P |
| 06:16.16 | centHOGG | loafers: hold on a sec |
| 06:16.21 | OpenTokix | maligor: ;) |
| 06:16.24 | centHOGG | ajavid: just to change the karma |
| 06:16.33 | OpenTokix | makes maligor 32bit |
| 06:16.41 | centHOGG | loafers: did it worke previously ok? |
| 06:16.56 | ajavid | so any ideas about my sound problem |
| 06:17.04 | iateadonut | what do . 's do in sed? |
| 06:17.06 | loafers | centHOGG, well I'm using it on virtualbox and it won't let me change it |
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| 06:17.18 | centHOGG | not sure |
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| 06:18.37 | centHOGG | <vmware |
| 06:18.37 | centHOGG | ajavid: does alsamixer work |
| 06:19.03 | ajavid | what do you mean does it work? |
| 06:19.14 | centHOGG | at prompt: alsamixer |
| 06:19.27 | ajavid | its not a matter of permissions or volume levels |
| 06:19.31 | ajavid | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 06:19.34 | ajavid | aplay: main:590: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 06:19.37 | iateadonut | so, is it that sed cannot be used for more than two lines? |
| 06:19.44 | ajavid | though nothing has it open afaict |
| 06:19.48 | centHOGG | see then we can see what device it is set for |
| 06:20.16 | centHOGG | alsa=good pulseaudio=bad |
| 06:20.20 | ajavid | alc885 |
| 06:20.26 | ajavid | realtek |
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| 06:20.49 | centHOGG | at prompt: speaker-test --test sine |
| 06:20.52 | centHOGG | anything? |
| 06:21.07 | ajavid | Sine wave rate is 440.0000Hz |
| 06:21.08 | ajavid | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 06:21.08 | ajavid | Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy |
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| 06:21.21 | centHOGG | ok... just to verify you rebooted right? |
| 06:21.53 | ajavid | yes |
| 06:21.55 | centHOGG | ok |
| 06:21.57 | centHOGG | lemme think |
| 06:22.07 | centHOGG | ok do this top: |
| 06:22.11 | centHOGG | :top |
| 06:22.22 | centHOGG | investigate pids |
| 06:22.46 | centHOGG | no pulseaudio or anything of the like? |
| 06:23.24 | iateadonut | The following line gives me a nice list of telephone numbers: |
| 06:23.24 | iateadonut | sed -n 'N;s/.*Penang.*\n.*Tel: \([^,]*\).*/\1/p' < /home/dan/Desktop/0001 |
| 06:23.24 | iateadonut | on the second line done, there is a fax number, starting with Fax: ; but i can't figure out how to add another line break to that command |
| 06:23.47 | ajavid | no |
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| 06:24.25 | centHOGG | as root: /etc/init.d/alsa_utils stop |
| 06:24.31 | centHOGG | what happens |
| 06:26.07 | ajavid | don't worry about it |
| 06:26.13 | centHOGG | gl |
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| 06:26.17 | ajavid | go sleep |
| 06:26.23 | ajavid | I'll figure it out tomorrow |
| 06:26.32 | ajavid | thank you very much for your assitance, I really apprecaite it |
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| 06:41.37 | scientes | dare you to run this: run this: a=1;for i in {1..34};do printf %$[40-${#a}]s"$(eval $(echo $a*$a|bc|sed 's/$/0/;s/\([0-9]\)/tput setab \1; echo -n \\ ;/g'))"\\n;a=1$a;done;tput sgr0 |
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| 06:48.18 | deysnch` | where can i find a working iptables script for debian? |
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| 06:49.13 | epsilon | doing what? |
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| 06:49.25 | deysnch` | just filtering ports |
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| 06:49.29 | deysnch` | http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 06:49.33 | deysnch` | pls check that |
| 06:49.41 | deysnch` | why does does'nt work for me? |
| 06:50.08 | Manoj | deysnch`: I use shorewall |
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| 06:50.56 | deysnch` | Manoj can you give some config on shorewall and pls include how to load it |
| 06:50.57 | deysnch` | ? |
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| 06:51.33 | epsilon | I just use own shellscript in /etc/init.d |
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| 06:51.47 | deysnch` | unixbox:~# iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.test.rules |
| 06:51.47 | deysnch` | FATAL: Module ip_tables not found. |
| 06:51.47 | deysnch` | 'ptables-restore v1.4.2: iptables-restore: unable to initialize table 'filter |
| 06:51.48 | deysnch` | Error occurred at line: 1 |
| 06:51.48 | deysnch` | Try `iptables-restore -h' or 'iptables-restore --help' for more information. |
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| 06:51.56 | epsilon | and don't bind it to eth like in the example above |
| 06:51.59 | deysnch` | im sorry |
| 06:52.10 | deysnch` | man i new in debian |
| 06:52.14 | peterrooney | Hello, I'm looking to parse /var/log/apache2/access.log in a sudo command, but it seems like the file is invisible to the user invoking the command, so nothing is being parsed. |
| 06:52.15 | deysnch` | im not very well familiar |
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| 06:52.43 | deysnch` | so what line in there should i rease? |
| 06:52.46 | deysnch` | erase* |
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| 06:54.34 | Manoj | deysnch`: apt-get install shorewall? |
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| 06:55.11 | Manoj | deysnch`: and then look at examples in /usr/share/doc/shorewal/ they have nice html docs and preconfigured examples and everything |
| 06:55.13 | deysnch` | Manoj i have shorewall installed |
| 06:55.21 | deysnch` | i see |
| 06:55.22 | deysnch` | okay |
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| 06:56.05 | Manoj | deysnch`: install shorewall-doc |
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| 06:56.11 | lillis | I'm having quite the irritating problem with character encoding over ssh. I'm running a debian desktop, and the server I'm sshing to runs ubuntu. Locally I have no problems with using swedish characters in the terminal. However if I ssh to my ubuntu server and start centerim the characters are all messed up |
| 06:56.27 | lillis | I solved it in irssi using screen -U, but centerim won't help |
| 06:56.47 | lillis | however the characters do show up at the server I've ssh:d to if I type them in just the terminal window and not centerim |
| 06:56.51 | deysnch` | Manoj |
| 06:56.51 | Manoj | deysnch`: Also, look into /usr/share/doc/shorewall-common/examples/ |
| 06:57.12 | deysnch` | its only changelog that's in there |
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| 06:59.36 | deysnch` | Manoj how can i deploy shorewall |
| 06:59.38 | deysnch` | ? |
| 07:00.05 | Manoj | deysnch`: are you running lenny? |
| 07:00.10 | deysnch` | yes |
| 07:00.27 | deysnch` | should i enable startup? |
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| 07:01.02 | Manoj | deysnch`: first run shorewall check as root |
| 07:01.16 | deysnch` | im logged in as root |
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| 07:01.20 | deysnch` | what is the command? |
| 07:01.38 | cast | deysnch`: question: why are you deploying shorewall? |
| 07:01.48 | deysnch` | to firewall this box |
| 07:01.56 | cast | why? |
| 07:02.10 | deysnch` | for port to be filtered? |
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| 07:02.51 | cast | what port? |
| 07:02.53 | deysnch` | i can't run iptables |
| 07:02.55 | deysnch` | all port |
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| 07:02.58 | cast | why? |
| 07:03.00 | deysnch` | and to firewall also the system |
| 07:03.33 | deysnch` | iptables on debian is not similar to iptables of centos |
| 07:04.05 | cast | why do you want to block all ports. |
| 07:04.17 | deysnch` | lols |
| 07:04.28 | deysnch` | security issues |
| 07:04.40 | cast | which security issues? |
| 07:04.52 | deysnch` | cast can you help me? |
| 07:05.22 | cast | sure could, if i were inclined to. |
| 07:05.32 | Manoj | cast: firewalling machines is a good thing |
| 07:05.50 | Manoj | cast: we need to get away from strictly perimeter defenses mentality |
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| 07:06.09 | Manoj | deysnch`: what happens when you run shorewall check? |
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| 07:06.59 | Manoj | runs shorewall on all his boxes |
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| 07:09.26 | cast | Manoj: well, education is a good thing. firewalls are a tool that may be useful, or they may not be. eg: he might be running a LAMP software stack, and will firewall off everything but ssh, http and ftp, firewalling off a bunch of closed ports while allowing connections to apache, seems pointless to me. we need to know more about his circumstance |
| 07:10.07 | Manoj | cast: evidently, he want s to start by firewalling all incoming connections, which is good |
| 07:10.45 | Manoj | cast: so, start him off with the single interface example, all locked down, and then help him punch holes as he needs |
| 07:10.48 | xingu | I'd have more time for it if people started by firewalling off all outgoing connections :) |
| 07:10.52 | cast | Manoj: but, it might be very likely pointless if nothing is listening on those points that are getting firewalled off. and in that case he might as well not bother :) |
| 07:11.07 | Manoj | of course, one hopes he is not irc'ing from that host |
| 07:11.07 | Zoup | Firewall Is gateway thing only ;) |
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| 07:11.48 | Manoj | cast: it is still a good layer to have, in case he starts something by mistake |
| 07:11.53 | cast | Manoj: personally, i'm just trying to work out if he's migrated his windows mindset as well as server to gnu/linux :) |
| 07:12.17 | Manoj | he does seem to be a little bit of a novice |
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| 07:12.27 | ryanCH | does linux use the VBE .. when no video acceleration is used??? |
| 07:12.44 | cast | coughs *yes people who install debian then look for an AV to install i'm talking to you* |
| 07:12.54 | Manoj | on the other hand, I am a novice when it comes to trying to figure out if the new armel arch will work on my 5th gen ipod |
| 07:13.09 | Wyzard | ryanCH: If you use the unaccelerated "vesa" xorg driver, that uses VBE |
| 07:13.15 | ryanCH | cast: who installs AV on linux? ;p |
| 07:13.20 | Wyzard | ryanCH: so does vesafb |
| 07:13.29 | ryanCH | Wyzard: i see. |
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| 07:15.23 | cast | ryanCH: seems a common enough request in people coming from windows, still stuck in their ways |
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| 07:15.35 | ryanCH | cast: :( |
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| 07:15.51 | Manoj | I would be a lot happier of people installed shorewall and selinux-basics |
| 07:15.59 | cast | ryanCH: the one sane reason, which some people here no doubt use AV for, is to protect winodws clients you're serving to :) |
| 07:16.24 | ryanCH | cast: ehe :) |
| 07:16.27 | Manoj | ah. I kept thinking audio-visual |
| 07:16.39 | cast | Manoj: do you think there's an issue with debian security? |
| 07:16.40 | Manoj | though I do run clamav-daemon here |
| 07:16.56 | Manoj | cast: when is security not an issue? |
| 07:17.12 | Manoj | and yes, I think MAC increases security |
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| 07:17.40 | Manoj | the whole debian-forum fiasco could probably have been prevented were it running selinux |
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| 07:18.13 | cast | mmm, we have to be careful. do you think users experienced enough to run selinux are ones you have to worry about? |
| 07:18.53 | cast | i'm sure, selinux or not, those guys aren't going to have many security issues. i do like the idea of selinux, but it is...complicated |
| 07:18.56 | Manoj | the only users *I* care avout should be able to run selinux. perhaps with a bit of coaching |
| 07:19.42 | Manoj | selinux-basics, running in non-enforcing mode, and with the default policy, has little impact |
| 07:19.45 | cast | i really don't like that irssi can read all my files when it doesn't need to, but it turns out to have never been a problem :) |
| 07:20.04 | Manoj | and then one can watch, try to reduce the AVC erorrs, and turn on enforcing mode |
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| 07:20.53 | mosno | cast: that you know of ;) |
| 07:21.05 | vizzy | is there a list of apps available for etch but not for lenny? |
| 07:21.14 | vizzy | e.g. ardour! :(( |
| 07:21.15 | cast | irssi did have a backdoored build process for a little while |
| 07:22.12 | cast | in light of the large admin overhead getting my entire system to work with SELinux, things like apparmour started to look pretty good. mostly all i'm worried about are my internet connecting apps |
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| 07:22.20 | cast | in particular, firefox |
| 07:23.02 | cast | vizzy: if you fail to find one, one could always run diff :) |
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| 07:23.12 | vizzy | boh, lenny sucks so much, argh, thats real bullshit. i'll never have a debian again for production use |
| 07:23.44 | vizzy | i'm really pissed off now, stuck here because no ardour is available, and instead od upgrading, it was deleted, that sucks |
| 07:23.45 | simonrvn | O_o |
| 07:24.02 | cast | vizzy: so install it yourself |
| 07:24.27 | vizzy | yes, so why should i use deboian then, i could install and compile everything else too, ... in a stable version |
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| 07:24.54 | mosno | wonders why it was removed |
| 07:25.14 | cast | uh oh..is that a proprietary thing? their website wants 30USD |
| 07:25.32 | vizzy | huh? no |
| 07:25.34 | sep | vizzy, you did not check. you upgraded without simulating first. you didnt even read the list of packages to be removed and stopped there. |
| 07:25.38 | cast | ahh, no, it's GPL :) |
| 07:25.49 | sep | it's clearly debians foult :) |
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| 07:26.03 | vizzy | simulating, i did that! but the list i got was everything else than readable |
| 07:26.52 | cast | vizzy: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ardour could backport i wonder, or jump to squeeze |
| 07:27.09 | simonrvn | *bitch bitch whine complain* |
| 07:27.41 | vizzy | simonrvn, look in the mirror, you kiddie |
| 07:27.55 | cast | or you could bitch about debian...and go install something else. and then bitch to them when minor issue arises |
| 07:28.09 | simonrvn | *yawn* |
| 07:28.26 | simonrvn | gets out the popcorn |
| 07:28.29 | vizzy | stripping apps from the repo is a minor issue? hehehehe, okok |
| 07:28.37 | krisfremen | it's just one app |
| 07:28.43 | cast | i'm sure there's a reason |
| 07:28.45 | vizzy | you 15 years old debian guys really rocks |
| 07:28.45 | krisfremen | it's not like the world is coming to an end |
| 07:29.07 | Manoj | vizzy: stripping buggy apps fromthe repo is a good thing |
| 07:29.16 | simonrvn | of course there's a reason. it wasn't ready to go along with the rest of the release, for one reason or another. standard debian policy. |
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| 07:29.33 | mosno | vizzy: i *think* is wasn't included because of this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=458660 |
| 07:29.42 | simonrvn | bitching about it is not going to help it get into squeeze. |
| 07:29.52 | bpun | sorry for my english but this confuses me from the hosts.allow manpage "255.255.255.255´ is not a valid mask value, so a single host can be matched just by its IP." |
| 07:29.53 | simonrvn | (realsed squeeze) |
| 07:29.56 | simonrvn | released* |
| 07:30.10 | Manoj | reading ardours description makes me think of snake oil salesmen |
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| 07:30.44 | bpun | does this mean x.x.x.x or x.x.x.x/255.255.255.255 that can be in hosts.allow ? |
| 07:31.03 | simonrvn | vizzy: call me or other kiddies all you want, your bitching here is not going to actually solve anything. *DO* something about it. this channel isn't even official FFS. |
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| 07:31.57 | bpun | simonrvn, right on! i hate it they should just check /topic and get on with it! |
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| 07:32.41 | simonrvn | bpun: :). *shrug* |
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| 07:33.33 | vizzy | come down to earth, guys |
| 07:34.10 | bullgard4 | Hat jemand schlechte Erfahrungen mit modconf gemacht? Synaptic: "Modconf provides a terminal-based interface for installing and configuring device driver modules." Ich wundere mich, daà Ubunteros dieses Programm kaum erwähnen. |
| 07:34.23 | manu_hac1 | one machine on squeeze now, I truly feel the stablility of lenny!! |
| 07:34.46 | bpun | manu_hac1, as long as it's not arm debian! now I found a bug or two!! |
| 07:35.02 | bpun | manu_hac1, but nevertheless -- pretty dam stable indeed! |
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| 07:35.18 | lillis | Gah! |
| 07:35.35 | lillis | How can client with utf-8, server with utf-8 and centerim-utf8 create garbled swedish characters? |
| 07:35.35 | PiklesOnFire | man, talk about stable, lenny is the most stable thing i've come across XD |
| 07:35.46 | manu_hac1 | bpun: i miss lenny, but I also want to try sagemath so now a mix system :( |
| 07:35.49 | bpun | manu_hac1, but squeeze is not even out yet.. watch it.. it's called sid |
| 07:36.03 | manu_hac1 | yes bpun |
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| 07:36.28 | Manoj | vizzy: what do you want to accomplish? the release managers thought the package was too buggy for a debian release |
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| 07:37.10 | Manoj | vizzy: so either you gofor another distro, which means you should stop wasting time here -- or try gettingit back ported |
| 07:37.39 | mosno | lillis: font? |
| 07:38.02 | simonrvn | adds another *plonk* |
| 07:39.16 | mosno | lillis: i had the same thing with PuTTY, so i grabbed the Liberation fonts from Red Hat and it worked great |
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| 07:40.36 | krisfremen | vizzy: if you don't want to use debian, use some distro that is centered on media |
| 07:41.00 | krisfremen | also there have been reports of many distros that fail to compile the newest version of ardour |
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| 07:41.37 | bpun | anyone uses hosts.allow ? |
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| 07:42.23 | mosno | bpun: not for about 4 years |
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| 07:43.07 | bpun | i know this sounds dumb.. but this system is remote.. not sure if i need to use the 255.255.255.255 mask.. the manpage seems left or right about it.. |
| 07:43.28 | vizzy | krisfremen, doesnt help a lot of i need ardour to finish a projekt right now, thats simply annoying ..... could backport, compile or whatever, but takes time i dont have now. but it seems there is no other way, ... or instal a 2nd machine using good old etch with known limitations |
| 07:44.14 | simonrvn | bpun: i use cidr notation |
| 07:44.28 | simonrvn | works fine |
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| 07:44.34 | bpun | simonrvn, isn't hosts.allow and hosts.deny classful ? |
| 07:44.35 | cast | vizzy: the time you've been whining in here you could have done it already |
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| 07:44.50 | mosno | bpun: left or right? |
| 07:44.57 | bpun | simonrvn, i dont even think cidr applies in concept to the rules files.. |
| 07:45.07 | bpun | simonrvn, but the vlsm does.. |
| 07:45.45 | bpun | simonrvn, i mean i have x.x.x.x/y no problem.. |
| 07:46.02 | bpun | simonrvn, but /32 not sure if that can be used or if x.x.x.x on itself can be used... |
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| 07:46.03 | vizzy | cast, i already did, you should know im able to whine and port ardour at the same time :P |
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| 07:46.18 | cast | vizzy: oh, so it's done now? |
| 07:46.54 | simonrvn | if you need just one, you leave it off. |
| 07:47.07 | bpun | simonrvn, ok.. |
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| 07:54.02 | stdisease | wth is wrong with sid, is it frozen or what? |
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| 07:56.08 | cast | ponders what word describes phrasing a question in that manner |
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| 07:56.52 | mosno | cast: quaint? |
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| 07:58.36 | simonrvn | cast: ignorant? |
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| 08:01.00 | stdisease | Wth is this, crosswords? |
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| 08:01.49 | simonrvn | stdisease: yes |
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| 08:03.17 | [kapal] | stdisease: let me be your saving grace: http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ read it carefully |
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| 08:07.26 | g00se | Any tips for troubleshooting Xorg? Occasionally CPU goes up into the 90s without other processes seeming abnormally high leaving system barely usable |
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| 08:08.23 | xoz | g00se: try to change your window manager and check if it still occurs |
| 08:08.41 | [kapal] | g00se: video driver issue? |
| 08:08.52 | bpun | g00se, ya.. change your window manager.. you're giving us the goose bumps |
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| 08:12.45 | stdisease | I'm not sure if my question was understood correctly, I'm not asking why there haven't been a 'sid release', instead I'm wondering if anyone knows anything as to why I'm not getting any updates in the last few days |
| 08:13.07 | stdisease | havent/hasn't* |
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| 08:15.13 | cast | i don't know the answer, but your initial output to the channel seemed to suggest you weren't the nicest person i've every seen on irc, so i did not feel inclined to help [though i couldn't, so it is a bit moot]. one has to be careful when asking a bunch of people for a favour to ask nicely :) |
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| 08:21.06 | simonrvn | stdisease: it's highly variable. just comes with the turf. |
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| 08:21.40 | zoldar | hello, does anybody know what's the actual status of bug #517449 in stable lenny kernel? when will be the official fix released ? |
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| 08:23.27 | simonrvn | zoldar: you could check the bts... |
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| 08:23.56 | simonrvn | zoldar: or email the person/one of the people involved with it... |
| 08:24.34 | _Brandon_ | hi, anybody knows why in lenny there is a libperl5.8 that it's not installable since it requires perl 5.8, while lenny has perl 5.10? |
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| 08:28.09 | stdisease | Oh sorry if I offended, I just thought I'd skip the diplomacy and get to the point - Anyway I would really appreciate it if any sid users around can tell me if they haven been getting updates in the last 0-48 hours, that would be quite helpful, thanks in advance :D |
| 08:28.58 | g00se | xoz: Good idea. Thanks |
| 08:29.50 | nkuttler | stdisease: totally depends on your mirror and which packages you have installed if you get updates |
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| 08:38.14 | nkuttler | _Brandon_: it's a security upgrade. try #debian-security on oftc |
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| 08:39.20 | soa2ii | Hi there. ATM I try to set up postfix/dovecot/spamassin and my postfix should use dovecot sasl... now my mail.err always says Apr 24 05:37:35 odin postfix/smtpd[2223]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms but I followed the tuorial at http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html any ideas what could be wrong? |
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| 08:45.48 | PeteBoyd | I have 50GB of small maildir files in a directory. How do I remove them or the directory they're in without having to do so in small chunks (as otherwise I get "Argument list too long")? |
| 08:46.29 | simonrvn | find, xargs and rm, or find, or such combo. |
| 08:46.44 | PeteBoyd | simonrvn: thanks |
| 08:46.53 | Zoup | PeteBoyd: find <dir> -exec rm {} ';' |
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| 08:47.22 | OpenTokix | PeteBoyd: find /path/to/dir -type f -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 08:47.35 | PeteBoyd | brilliant, thanks people |
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| 08:48.47 | OpenTokix | I think this is the fith consecutive day I solve someones problem with a find -exec statement =) |
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| 08:50.04 | OpenTokix | fifth |
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| 08:51.27 | jelly | -type f seems to be missing as well |
| 08:51.39 | jelly | ah it's not |
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| 08:54.57 | owen1 | does uxterm has differnt config than xterm? it seems like .Xdefaults is used only by xterm. |
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| 08:55.32 | simonrvn | .Xresources for all of them |
| 08:55.45 | owen1 | simonrvn: got it |
| 08:55.48 | simonrvn | .Xdefaults is long deprecated |
| 08:56.01 | owen1 | simonrvn: i didn't get the memo.. |
| 08:56.09 | simonrvn | (i know there's one in /etc... silliness...) |
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| 09:04.33 | jelly | owen1: are you merging the resource database from the file before starting a new instance? Do you expect it to use XTerm* or UXTerm* class resources? |
| 09:05.18 | jelly | owen1: because if you look at the contents of /usr/bin/uxterm wrapper script, it calls xterm with -class UXTerm |
| 09:05.46 | owen1 | jelly: not sure what do u mean by resource database. I am using awesome and it's using uxterm and i want to tweak the default fonts/colors. |
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| 09:06.52 | jelly | !xdefaults |
| 09:06.52 | dpkg | from memory, xdefaults is xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults, or call it ~/.Xresources to have gdm merge it automatically |
| 09:06.54 | simonrvn | the xresources database ... |
| 09:06.57 | simonrvn | xrdb |
| 09:07.13 | jelly | owen1: you have to run "xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults" manually to apply any changes |
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| 09:07.55 | jelly | didn't know about the gdm and .Xresources bit |
| 09:08.01 | simonrvn | i do that anyway.. -merge i mean, in my .xsession |
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| 09:08.43 | scientes | we need a new term for forks that are not forks |
| 09:08.51 | scientes | ie maintained differences |
| 09:09.16 | RoenieWrk | hm what happened here? my mtab is empty, "mount" shows no output, and "df -h" says: cannot read table of mounted filesystems." This started after I issued a big cp -R command which failed half way |
| 09:09.25 | simonrvn | i think i was wrong about it being deprecated, but you'd have to ask people who have their noses in that stuff... |
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| 09:10.04 | OpenTokix | RoenieWrk: What does syslog, dmesg etc. say? |
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| 09:10.32 | jelly | simonrvn: I think it was deprecated, somewhere around Xfree86 4.0 :-) |
| 09:10.57 | simonrvn | ok. that's why my memory is faint =). |
| 09:11.16 | owen1 | jelly: will it merged automatically if i don't use gdm? (or any graphical log-in) |
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| 09:11.34 | simonrvn | owen1: he told you how ffs |
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| 09:11.43 | RoenieWrk | last line of dmesg: Process accounting paused |
| 09:11.54 | simonrvn | ut oh |
| 09:12.01 | RoenieWrk | other than that, i can't find anything in there |
| 09:12.11 | eevar2 | I'd want to install ant without gcj-java. As far as I can tell, the dependencies should be satisfied by openjdk-6-jdk, but aptitude still insists on pulling in the gcj stuff.. Suggestions? |
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| 09:13.03 | omg_onoez | hi, i am trying to configure compiz on my netboow with lenny and kde 3.5.10 |
| 09:13.08 | omg_onoez | and i have a problem |
| 09:13.16 | omg_onoez | i c only white cube and cursor |
| 09:13.33 | simonrvn | eevar2: something's wanting the -gcj stuff. find what it is and stop it from doing so, by trying to fulfill its deps the way you want. |
| 09:13.45 | omg_onoez | i read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz and http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Troubleshooting |
| 09:14.09 | omg_onoez | carefully reading about intel video cards sections |
| 09:14.12 | omg_onoez | but no luck |
| 09:14.15 | omg_onoez | \= |
| 09:14.37 | omg_onoez | i still can c only this white cube with cursor |
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| 09:15.08 | omg_onoez | any hints? |
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| 09:15.43 | simonrvn | switch back to kwin until you figure out the problem? |
| 09:15.51 | omg_onoez | uhm |
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| 09:16.08 | simonrvn | check the logs too, Xorg.0.log, ~/.xsession-errors |
| 09:16.16 | omg_onoez | i wonder what am i doing wrong |
| 09:16.33 | simonrvn | the latter is often helpful. |
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| 09:18.28 | omg_onoez | seems like the problem is in Aiglx error |
| 09:18.29 | omg_onoez | AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_tls_Context) |
| 09:18.42 | eevar2 | simonrvn: thanks. I added -R to aptitude, had no idea it was pulling in recommended packages by default |
| 09:18.43 | omg_onoez | i was googling it, but didn't find a solution |
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| 09:19.24 | omg_onoez | is it a good idea to upgrade my xorg from unstable in this case? |
| 09:20.04 | simonrvn | looks like a driver conflict.. you sure your intel and xorg match? |
| 09:20.20 | omg_onoez | no doubt |
| 09:20.29 | simonrvn | looks like it's calling some opengl function |
| 09:20.46 | simonrvn | or looking for it, and doesn't find it. |
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| 09:20.59 | jelly | omg_onoez: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-intel libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 09:21.10 | simonrvn | ok... that was redundant... *sleep* time |
| 09:21.20 | omg_onoez | thx |
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| 09:22.17 | omg_onoez | jelly, http://pastebin.ru/303312 |
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| 09:23.20 | jelly | omg_onoez: your libgl1-mesa-dri version doesn't match squeeze |
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| 09:23.41 | omg_onoez | jelly, oh, that is the problem? |
| 09:23.43 | omg_onoez | \= |
| 09:24.27 | eevar2 | grrr.. wtf would subversion depend on mysql..? |
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| 09:25.16 | jelly | omg_onoez: you need to have matching builds of xorg and mesa/dri drivers. This is usually accomplished by not mixing releases |
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| 09:25.53 | jelly | omg_onoez: or at least keeping both xorg and mesa packages versions from the same debian release |
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| 09:29.28 | worr | is there an api for apt? |
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| 09:32.35 | simonrvn | libapt* |
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| 09:34.30 | chfwiggum | i have no sound only in my web browsers. checked iceweaselrc. where else sould i check? tia |
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| 09:36.34 | chfwiggum | *no sound in web browsers |
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| 09:38.13 | pav5088 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:39.23 | pav5088 | I've looked at the likely doc *.gz's and the web... I guess I must not be scanning for the right keywords. |
| 09:40.49 | shinnok_ | can someone pastebin me his ~/.gnome2/splash-screens.xml file, i >'ed in the hope that it will be autogenerated and it didn't(something corupt happened and gnome-splashscreen-manager failed to start) |
| 09:41.57 | shinnok | gnome-splashscreen-manager ruby code is really poor written : |
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| 09:43.25 | shinnok | anyone? a generous pastebin for me? |
| 09:43.26 | omg_onoez | thanks simonrvn |
| 09:43.26 | shinnok | :> |
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| 09:43.30 | omg_onoez | thanks jelly |
| 09:44.27 | omg_onoez | mother russia won't forget u, dudes! :D |
| 09:44.45 | cast | shinnok: could start gnome with another user account on the same box and copy it :> |
| 09:45.38 | shinnok | cast: i won't close all my shit ... |
| 09:45.47 | cast | shinnok: you don't have to |
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| 09:45.59 | cast | one can run multiple x servers on the one box |
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| 09:46.25 | cast | startx -- :1 will start a second one :) |
| 09:46.46 | shinnok | cast: having problems with the X server and can't switch from X to virtual ttys without X dying + that i need to add another account |
| 09:47.12 | cast | D: nasty |
| 09:47.43 | shinnok | cast: yeah |
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| 09:51.53 | RoenieWrk | OpenTokix, the problem was that i had mounted a network share through cifs |
| 09:51.53 | RoenieWrk | and issued a copy cmd to it |
| 09:52.08 | RoenieWrk | but because of a typo in the target, it got written to a dir on / |
| 09:52.27 | RoenieWrk | a 45GB copy command to a 7.5GB root drive |
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| 09:52.59 | RoenieWrk | =] |
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| 09:55.05 | maxagaz | how can i test that this video hardware works: 04:0c.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7134/SAA7135HL Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01) |
| 09:55.06 | maxagaz | ? |
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| 10:01.29 | arkanabar | What is the most current nVidia driver in the repos? |
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| 10:01.45 | mosno | arkanabar: packages.debian.org |
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| 10:03.09 | Agiofws | whats that program tha lets you move your mouse from one host to another ? |
| 10:03.51 | [kapal] | Agiofws: x2x? |
| 10:03.57 | Agiofws | nope |
| 10:03.59 | vedant | how do I setup a VM in squeeze and access it through the network? In other words, I want the hypervisor to run on one system but access the GUI of the VM from another system. Is that possible? How do I do that? The first system is a desktop running debian testing and is only connected to a network; it has no display. |
| 10:04.17 | Agiofws | [kapal], you can move your mouse over other hosts ... |
| 10:04.32 | Agiofws | like emulating 3 screens etc... |
| 10:04.51 | Agiofws | controlling 2 X desktops with one mouse ? |
| 10:04.54 | spook0 | Hm, weird question... |
| 10:05.00 | [kapal] | Agiofws: AFAIK x2x can join two xservers, not only on one host |
| 10:05.18 | spook0 | How do I make apt not install a particular dependency, as I already installed the package in question (newer version) from source? |
| 10:05.24 | mosno | is there any point filing non-critical bugs against Lenny? |
| 10:05.30 | Agiofws | whats that app that controlls 2 X desktops with one mouse ? even on windows hosts ... |
| 10:05.32 | [kapal] | Agiofws: such a dualscreen but on two different machines |
| 10:05.40 | spook0 | In this case, I built git, and when I wanted to install gitk, it tried to install the old version. |
| 10:05.49 | Agiofws | [kapal], there is another name gor that |
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| 10:06.13 | [kapal] | aaah the one that uses vnc? |
| 10:06.15 | Agiofws | whats that app that controlls 2 X desktops with one mouse ? even on windows hosts ... |
| 10:06.21 | Agiofws | synrgy |
| 10:06.26 | Agiofws | synergy |
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| 10:06.48 | [kapal] | yep |
| 10:09.35 | [kapal] | Agiofws: actually i was thinking more like x2vnc |
| 10:09.54 | Agiofws | synergy |
| 10:10.59 | maxagaz | how to check to which package belongs a command ? |
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| 10:11.39 | [kapal] | maxagaz: apt-file or a dpkg-query (if the package is installed) |
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| 10:13.39 | petemc | maxagaz: dpkg -S |
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| 10:15.31 | [kapal] | petemc: AFAIK dpkg -S runs dpkg-query :) |
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| 10:16.44 | decoder | hello |
| 10:18.14 | decoder | can anyone tell me where I can get the kernel config of the lenny netinstall kernel image? |
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| 10:19.54 | mosno | submits the bugreport anyway |
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| 10:21.06 | petemc | decoder: looked in /boot/ ? |
| 10:21.59 | maxagaz | i stopped the service zoneminder, then rmmod saa7134, but i get the message: ERROR: Module saa7134 is in use by saa7134_alsa |
| 10:23.56 | decoder | petemc: there is no boot on the netinstall cd |
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| 10:35.24 | newbies`` | what is /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions in debian? |
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| 10:37.03 | jelly | newbies``: there is no default shared functions file |
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| 10:37.11 | newbies`` | i see |
| 10:37.31 | newbies`` | i better switch to centos |
| 10:37.34 | newbies`` | thanks |
| 10:37.50 | martian67 | lol |
| 10:37.56 | jelly | newbies``: some, but not all, init scripts use /lib/lsb/init-functions |
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| 10:48.39 | eMPee584 | salut.. any masters of aptitude search patterns in here? |
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| 10:53.23 | eMPee584 | want to search for all packages that are upgradeable and don't depend on libc6 >2.7.18 - and ~U~D~S libc6 2\.[89].* doesn't quite do it |
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| 11:05.53 | iListenU | Where can be problem? here's screen: http://parduoduv.puslapiai.lt/ (in top)? What i need to do to solve it?? |
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| 11:06.25 | \amethyst | eMPee584: something like aptitude search '~U~S~VCANDIDATE!~D(libc6~V^2\.[89])' |
| 11:06.37 | cptblood | drop the double posts |
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| 11:08.46 | nsadmin | I have an etch system with kde, and I plugged in a usb cf card reader with my card in it, it mounted, I copied a file to it and now I want to unmount it... couldn't find how from the gui, so I su - and try umounting, says it's busy. why? how can I make it unbusy so I can umount it? |
| 11:09.22 | spook0 | nsadmin: do you have any processes still using a directory on the mounted drive? |
| 11:09.37 | nsadmin | see that's the thing, there must be |
| 11:09.48 | nsadmin | but I didn't start them |
| 11:10.08 | \amethyst | nsadmin: fuser -m /media/blah/ |
| 11:10.10 | spook0 | Nothing like a bash prompt still sitting there or a dolphon/konqerer window ? |
| 11:10.12 | \amethyst | nsadmin: (as root) |
| 11:10.20 | nsadmin | ok, one sec |
| 11:10.46 | eMPee584 | thx \amethyst - why don't come all packages depending on 2.8/2.9 up if i leave out the ! though? |
| 11:10.58 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.16 | nsadmin | yes, a paste... but since it was one line... |
| 11:11.17 | martian67 | how can i add a .crt file to my openssl trusted root list? |
| 11:12.52 | \amethyst | eMPee584: hm |
| 11:12.54 | nsadmin | \amethyst: so process 2506 is this: |
| 11:13.35 | eMPee584 | \amethyst: it's kinda strange, most packages found actually don't require 2.8/2.9 - but some still do? |
| 11:13.56 | \amethyst | eMPee584: now I'm not sure if that pattern worked correctly |
| 11:14.07 | nsadmin | nsadmin 2506 0.1 1.2 42032 25512 ? S 03:55 0:01 konqueror [kdeinit] -mimetype inode/directory system:/media/sdc1 |
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| 11:15.18 | \amethyst | nsadmin: so you still have a konqueror window open on the device? |
| 11:15.36 | nsadmin | I thought I closed it... |
| 11:15.53 | eMPee584 | \amethyst: well partly it does.. at least most of the packages listed dont require the new libc so i can just do it manually.. but thank you for coming up with something, i'll keep trying to master this aptitude magic |
| 11:16.03 | nsadmin | maybe, but I didn't see it in the konq list |
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| 11:17.31 | \amethyst | eMPee584: it seems to be finding all packages that don't depend on libc6 (the ~V inside the ~D seems to be checking if there is a version 2.9 that satisfies the dependency, not whether 2.9 is required to satisfy the dependency) |
| 11:18.35 | nsadmin | I'll just try killing it |
| 11:18.55 | eMPee584 | uuhhff |
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| 11:20.33 | nsadmin | ok, that worked... I properly unmounted it and then I could pull the usb cable |
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| 11:21.57 | nsadmin | thanks. |
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| 11:33.19 | wsxws | /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 11:48.10 | nijan | Hello all, I am trying to download a website but could not work it out. The problem is that I need to login first and bypass a captcha. Httptrack and wget dont seem to work. Spiderzilla seems to have this function but there is no linux version. Any idea? |
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| 11:51.06 | cptblood | how can i make a shortcut using terminal window from /var/www/ to somewhere else? |
| 11:51.32 | petemc | ln -s /var/www/ /some/where/else |
| 11:51.36 | cptblood | thx |
| 11:51.44 | \amethyst | cptblood: depends on what you mean by "from" and "to" |
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| 11:54.50 | cptblood | cant get apache2 to work properly either |
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| 11:56.01 | cptblood | there's an index.html inside /var/www but when i try to access the webpage, it says errorcode: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long in firefox |
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| 11:56.19 | cptblood | and: |
| 11:56.22 | cptblood | Reloading web server config apache2 apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName |
| 11:56.23 | cptblood | [ OK ] |
| 11:57.27 | cptblood | k. might've gotten it to work |
| 11:57.44 | epsilon | the last message is normal, if you didnt the FQDN of the box |
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| 11:57.56 | epsilon | didn#t specify |
| 11:58.50 | epsilon | and if you access it via 127.0.0.1 without ssl, you shouldnt get any ssl error at all |
| 11:59.14 | cptblood | fqdn? |
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| 11:59.35 | cptblood | the ln -s didnt help, i cannot access that dir |
| 12:00.02 | cptblood | not with an ftpd that is |
| 12:00.12 | cptblood | is there any other cmd? |
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| 12:09.12 | cptblood | exactly how do i enable ssl on my apache server? |
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| 12:12.17 | cptblood | root@xbmc:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
| 12:12.18 | cptblood | apache2: Syntax error on line 281 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 46 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/myown-ssl: </VirtualHost> without matching <VirtualHost> section |
| 12:12.19 | cptblood | ...fail! |
| 12:12.20 | cptblood | this is what i get now |
| 12:12.46 | AdrianX | i got a python error :P |
| 12:13.04 | cast | i'll be impressed if cptblood can get a python error while setting up https |
| 12:13.19 | cptblood | im not the one with python errors |
| 12:14.29 | epsilon | well fix it |
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| 12:15.23 | cptblood | duh, i would if i could :P |
| 12:15.40 | enouf | man a2enmod |
| 12:15.55 | enouf | see /usr/share/doc/apache* |
| 12:16.32 | epsilon | well you have a Syntax error on line 46 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/myown-ssl: </VirtualHost> without matching <VirtualHost> section |
| 12:17.00 | cptblood | without trying to be sarcastic, i can read :P i just dont know how to solve it |
| 12:17.18 | enouf | correct the syntax |
| 12:17.32 | cast | put it how it was before you broke it |
| 12:17.53 | enouf | or learn more about the VirtualHost configs |
| 12:18.03 | enouf | cast: heh |
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| 12:19.08 | mkai | i've a question for the shorewall firewall about the vmware interfaces |
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| 12:19.35 | mkai | could somebody help to configure this basicly |
| 12:19.39 | mkai | ? |
| 12:20.19 | ootput | has anyone addressed their console-kit-daemon # of open procs problem? |
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| 12:21.47 | phet | hi |
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| 12:22.30 | cptblood | it's so fucked up i have to reinstall it over again |
| 12:22.35 | phet | is this the correct channel to ask information for fgrlrx? |
| 12:23.00 | jelly | cptblood: you could try showing us the file in question |
| 12:23.17 | cptblood | i need to remove apache and redo it again |
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| 12:23.29 | cptblood | tried apt-get remove apache2 and then re-install, but didnt help |
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| 12:23.44 | jelly | phet: #ati if it's not a debian specific issue |
| 12:23.53 | cptblood | Syntax error on line 3 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/myown-ssl: |
| 12:23.53 | cptblood | Invalid command 'Name', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 12:24.11 | jelly | cptblood: can you pastebin that file? |
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| 12:24.24 | phet | jelly, I have installed the driver following a guide, and update the xorg.conf, but if I type fglrxinfo I get I am using mesa drivers |
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| 12:24.44 | cptblood | the file is all jibberish, if i use the arrowkeys, i get the text from the upperline on that line instead |
| 12:25.29 | jelly | cptblood: that sounds more like a missetup terminal |
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| 12:25.42 | jelly | cptblood: use pastebinit |
| 12:25.46 | cptblood | spam: |
| 12:25.51 | cptblood | root@xbmc:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 12:25.52 | cptblood | * Restarting web server apache2 apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName |
| 12:25.53 | cptblood | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName |
| 12:25.54 | cptblood | (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:443 |
| 12:25.55 | cptblood | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 12:25.56 | cptblood | Unable to open logs |
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| 12:26.21 | jelly | !pastebin pipe |
| 12:26.21 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>). Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 12:26.27 | jelly | !pastebinit |
| 12:26.28 | dpkg | pastebinit is, like, a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; specially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
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| 12:27.45 | hulo | hello! any of you use aptitude interface? After hitting U, i get a selection of packages to be upgraded. How do i undo that actuion? C-u does not work |
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| 12:28.29 | greycat | I was told by a DD to "disable autonegotiation and force settings with ethtool." How do I do this? This is in response to bug 525296. |
| 12:28.48 | themill | cptblood: you already have another web server (or something else) running on the port that apache is trying to listen on. Look at netstat -plant|grep :443 |
| 12:29.02 | cptblood | that i do not |
| 12:29.17 | cptblood | im just gonna give this mess to somebody else instead :p |
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| 12:29.32 | themill | cptblood: either that or you're not starting it as root |
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| 12:30.28 | mrglinux | what is diff for ? |
| 12:30.47 | cast | finding the diff between two files |
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| 12:30.59 | mrglinux | it got a lot memory on my server and my load average is 8 |
| 12:31.00 | Sertse | hi, |
| 12:31.01 | jelly | greycat: uhm... didn't you already do that? |
| 12:31.17 | ootput | never mind, in aptitude, it's ':' |
| 12:31.21 | mrglinux | can I remove it or how to stop it |
| 12:31.22 | mrglinux | ? |
| 12:31.26 | greycat | I did the "force settings with ethtool" part, which failed, but I have no earthly clue how to "disable autonegotiation". |
| 12:31.36 | \amethyst | greycat: ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off |
| 12:31.36 | mrglinux | it try to compare some log file's |
| 12:31.39 | \amethyst | greycat: I believe |
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| 12:31.59 | greycat | \amethyst: and I'd do that in /etc/network/interfaces, in an "up" command, or somewhere else? |
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| 12:32.09 | mrglinux | ? |
| 12:32.18 | hulo | hello. if i've built kernel from source and installed it (2.6.30-rc3) is there still a need to have linux-headers-2.6.29* lying around? |
| 12:32.18 | greycat | Or on the same command where I'm currently doing the "duplex full"? |
| 12:32.27 | hulo | i don't use any 3rd party drivers |
| 12:32.34 | mrglinux | my vps down |
| 12:32.46 | mrglinux | how can I stop it fck diff |
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| 12:33.16 | jelly | greycat: my reading is it ought to work even separately... if it works |
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| 12:33.43 | jelly | greycat: (and it fails to work on my DL380 G3) |
| 12:33.51 | \amethyst | greycat: hm, probably the same command |
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| 12:35.29 | monkey_d_luffy | How can I list all partition sizes in MB? cat /proc/partitions doesn't show non-mounted partitions sfdisk shows them in blocks |
| 12:35.30 | jelly | greycat: nm, I'm wrong again. Both "ethtool -s eth1 autoneg off" and "ethtool -s eth1 autoneg on" appear to work. |
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| 12:36.12 | jelly | monkey_d_luffy: divide the numbers given by sfdisk by 2048? |
| 12:36.38 | jelly | monkey_d_luffy: do you want your sizes in MB (1000000B) or MiB (1048576B)? |
| 12:37.21 | monkey_d_luffy | MiB would be better... number of blocks just doesn't cut it =/ |
| 12:37.56 | monkey_d_luffy | I was hopping there would be a command or a parameter |
| 12:38.02 | jelly | then the "divide by 2048" approach would work |
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| 12:38.19 | \amethyst | monkey_d_luffy: sfdisk -uM |
| 12:38.22 | cast | yay for jelly using SI correctly |
| 12:38.38 | phet | hello, does anyone here uses debian and fglrx? |
| 12:38.45 | abrotman | lots of people .. just ask |
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| 12:38.48 | monkey_d_luffy | thanks \amethyst |
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| 12:41.17 | jelly | cast: mebi I did, mebi I didn't |
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| 12:43.10 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 12:43.35 | sobersabre | does anybody know why lenny's subversion package is linked against gnutls, instead of libssl ? |
| 12:43.36 | enouf | monkey_d_luffy: i like parted for that kind of stuff |
| 12:44.05 | sobersabre | I mean... who uses x509 infrastructure with gnutls ? is it common ? |
| 12:44.57 | abrotman | sobersabre: crappy ssl licensing |
| 12:45.01 | enouf | monkey_d_luffy: fwiw, lshal will also have the info avail in Bytes .. even though it's scattered throughout the output ... one can grep :-P |
| 12:45.06 | jelly | sobersabre: openssl makes linking with gpled software somewhat problematic, unless the software in question specifically makes an exception |
| 12:45.22 | RichiH | !why-not webmin |
| 12:45.25 | jelly | sobersabre: so the distro's easy way out is to use gnutls |
| 12:45.27 | PoWeRKiLL | hi, anyone know a shazam like on linux command line ? |
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| 12:45.39 | abrotman | PoWeRKiLL: a what? |
| 12:45.51 | jelly | RichiH: it's just "webmin" |
| 12:45.57 | RichiH | !webmin |
| 12:45.57 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 12:45.58 | sobersabre | jelly: what a bummer... it renders subversion package useless if somebody actually tries to use SSL. |
| 12:45.58 | enouf | RichiH: /msg dpkg webmin ? |
| 12:46.14 | sobersabre | I mean with certificates, etc. |
| 12:46.15 | PoWeRKiLL | shazam : it's a program that recongnize the song that hear |
| 12:46.19 | jelly | sobersabre: sounds like an important bug to me |
| 12:46.28 | RichiH | (have no fear, i would never use it) |
| 12:46.36 | jelly | sobersabre: you can easy rebuild it though |
| 12:46.38 | RichiH | someone just asked me about why it's not in debian, any mroe |
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| 12:46.57 | abrotman | RichiH: just give them the "Duh, are you serious?" look |
| 12:47.19 | sobersabre | jelly: can you explain me again why openssl is problematic from licensing perspective ? |
| 12:47.33 | phet | what's the difference in aptitude between remove and purge? |
| 12:47.34 | sobersabre | I thought "Open" in the "openssl" meant it's opensourced, and gpl'ed. |
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| 12:47.44 | greycat | It's open source, but not GPL. |
| 12:47.53 | jelly | sobersabre: nope, there are different opensource licenses |
| 12:48.04 | abrotman | sobersabre: not all open source software is GPL |
| 12:48.07 | enouf | RichiH: possible alternative ? http://www.syscp.org/ |
| 12:48.09 | RichiH | abrotman: i already told them that webmin is crap, have no fear |
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| 12:48.20 | RichiH | it's the same person who wants to run proftd over vsftpd |
| 12:48.23 | jelly | sobersabre: the specific combination of a GPL software linked with openssl cannot be distributed by debian |
| 12:48.24 | SRabbelier | Heya, I am developing a Django server app but when it runs into an error (and dies horribly) it does not release it's port. What is the best way to force such a ghosted port to be released? |
| 12:48.25 | RichiH | do i need to say more? :) |
| 12:48.28 | sobersabre | abrotman: I know, but I thought ssl was somehow more gpl'ed than less gpl'ed. |
| 12:48.45 | abrotman | sobersabre: i don't think you can have more/less .. only gpl |
| 12:48.53 | abrotman | there is no try :) |
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| 12:49.07 | abrotman | RichiH: at least it's not wu-ftpd ? |
| 12:49.11 | sobersabre | abrotman: it's the famous "on the scale of yes or no" |
| 12:49.13 | enouf | haha @ proftpd over vstpd .. oh .. i thought you meant as a "frontend to" ... lmao |
| 12:49.17 | sobersabre | it's more yes or more no ? more no. |
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| 12:49.32 | OpenTokix | lol@ftp |
| 12:49.33 | abrotman | sobersabre: ssl is not GPLed .. it is open source software |
| 12:49.34 | OpenTokix | in general |
| 12:49.37 | enouf | !spoon |
| 12:49.37 | dpkg | There is no spoon. |
| 12:49.43 | sobersabre | abrotman: yepz. got that. |
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| 12:49.49 | jelly | sobersabre: it's more "licenses both open source compliant, but not compatible" |
| 12:50.07 | sobersabre | is openssl something developed by DARPA or NSA or DoD ? |
| 12:50.09 | abrotman | sobersabre: http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#LEGAL2 |
| 12:50.13 | RichiH | bad abrotman |
| 12:50.22 | RichiH | i thought i would never ever see the name wu-ftpd again |
| 12:50.24 | jelly | sobersabre: irrelevant |
| 12:50.24 | abrotman | so i've been told |
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| 12:50.59 | enouf | what's that weirdo Sun one, CDDL or someshit? |
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| 12:51.31 | jelly | dpkg: why gnutls is <reply>http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#LEGAL2 |
| 12:51.32 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 12:52.02 | sobersabre | jelly: how do I ask dpkg now about this ? |
| 12:52.13 | abrotman | sobersabre: /msg dpkg why gnutls |
| 12:52.28 | sobersabre | :) |
| 12:52.32 | sobersabre | nice. |
| 12:52.34 | hulo | hi. can i get aptitude to print the list of available updates - in the format of purely just urls of debs to download? |
| 12:52.39 | abrotman | sobersabre: also http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html |
| 12:52.42 | hulo | without all the extra fluff of checks etc. |
| 12:52.44 | jelly | abrotman: so libssl should just be made part of base system. :-) |
| 12:53.04 | module000 | hulo: i dunno. but you can make apt just download deb's and not install...or conversely just print a list of packages to upgrade but not download them. |
| 12:53.05 | abrotman | dpkg: why gnutls is also http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html |
| 12:53.05 | dpkg | abrotman: what are you talking about? |
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| 12:53.09 | abrotman | dpkg: just freaking do it |
| 12:53.09 | dpkg | abrotman: wish i knew |
| 12:53.18 | themill | dpkg openssl is also see <why gnutls> |
| 12:53.18 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 12:53.24 | hulo | module000: how would i do that? |
| 12:53.27 | abrotman | i think the why gnutls is broken |
| 12:53.35 | module000 | hulo: apt-get upgrade --simulate |
| 12:53.48 | abrotman | changes that to whygnutls |
| 12:54.08 | module000 | hulo: or apt-get upgrade -d ...that will download but not install |
| 12:54.15 | themill | abrotman: istr dpkg tries to strip of the why to answer you and then can't find a factoid for gnutls. |
| 12:54.19 | jelly | abrotman: srsly... it was created not 5 minutes ago and you already broke it? |
| 12:54.25 | abrotman | done! |
| 12:54.31 | abrotman | fixed! |
| 12:54.33 | abrotman | !gnutls |
| 12:54.35 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 12:54.38 | abrotman | !whygnutls |
| 12:54.38 | dpkg | http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#LEGAL2 and http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html |
| 12:54.44 | abrotman | themill: i think 'why' is a keyword somehow |
| 12:54.52 | enouf | abrotman: while everyone is breaking po' dpkg; might want to fix this typo in the <unstable security> ".... Also ask me about <movingn target>." |
| 12:55.07 | jelly | DIY |
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| 12:55.25 | themill | done |
| 12:55.26 | abrotman | thinks 'unstable security' doesn't work |
| 12:55.28 | jelly | DUI |
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| 12:55.30 | enouf | no, i get yelled at and blamed for all the breakage! |
| 12:55.31 | jelly | :-) |
| 12:55.43 | themill | inserts || into enouf |
| 12:55.47 | jelly | enouf: that's because of the latter |
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| 12:55.54 | enouf | !pipe me |
| 12:55.55 | sobersabre | so. actually it's not SSL who "have problem" with GPL, but GPL has problem with a short clause :) |
| 12:56.01 | jelly | sobersabre: ypu. |
| 12:56.06 | jelly | yup* :-| |
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| 12:56.18 | jelly | sobersabre: GPL is made to have problems with stuff |
| 12:56.22 | abrotman | enouf: were you inserting || into the bot again? |
| 12:56.33 | enouf | no! |
| 12:56.39 | OpenTokix | jelly: gpl is made to give people free software =) |
| 12:56.41 | SRabbelier | Ok, uhm.. then perhaps, how do I list which program is hogging which port? |
| 12:56.44 | enouf | i see nuuuuuthinnnnnnng! |
| 12:56.48 | red_eyes | Hello. I think I have a problem with sound. I can barely hear anything from this machine. I have debian kde installed and alsamixer looks ok. Thanks. |
| 12:56.50 | abrotman | SRabbelier: fuser or lsof |
| 12:57.15 | SRabbelier | abrotman: awesome, thakns |
| 12:57.21 | enouf | or netstat |
| 12:57.23 | jelly | OpenTokix: if this case, it's not free enough |
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| 12:57.40 | jelly | ?too many typos |
| 12:57.57 | OpenTokix | jelly: ? |
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| 12:58.29 | sobersabre | lawyers.... |
| 12:58.49 | jelly | OpenTokix: in this case, gpl isn't free enough. |
| 12:58.51 | sobersabre | can live without them, can kill them... but it's dangerous :) |
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| 12:58.56 | magike_r | hi guys. i've installed debian on my computer using minimum install cd (180mb) and now i only have the basic system, without any gui. i didn't download any update because it doesnt recgonized my wireless driver. now that i only can log in using terminal, what should i do to configure wireless and then apply the basic updates to have at least a gui? |
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| 12:59.10 | magike_r | i know its kind of a stupid question, but i'm really lost |
| 12:59.14 | abrotman | magike_r: why kind of wireless is it? |
| 12:59.23 | abrotman | magike_r: and do you have a wired network available? |
| 12:59.36 | enouf | sobersabre: go over to #gnu and whine :-p |
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| 12:59.54 | sobersabre | enouf: enough is enough... |
| 13:00.00 | themill | !enouf |
| 13:00.04 | jelly | enouf: more like debian-devel, or the subversion guys |
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| 13:00.16 | enouf | or better yet - yell at Linus for allowing the TiVO bullshit |
| 13:00.28 | abrotman | uh oh .. i think i killed the bot |
| 13:00.28 | hulo | argh! i can't disable images permanently in iceweasel. (options content etc.) |
| 13:00.31 | jelly | if subversion made a ssl exception, Debian would be jus' fine |
| 13:00.46 | jelly | dpkg: you |
| 13:00.47 | themill | !spank abrotman |
| 13:00.48 | abrotman | jelly: i think it's ssl that has to make the exception ? |
| 13:00.48 | jelly | dpkg: yo |
| 13:00.49 | enouf | jelly: links2 as well i suppose |
| 13:00.56 | themill | abrotman: yep. Seems so |
| 13:00.59 | enouf | it used to have ssl support ... or something |
| 13:01.11 | jelly | abrotman: no, the GPL software has to adapt. It's not SSL's fault |
| 13:01.31 | abrotman | they're all to blame!!!!! |
| 13:01.45 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think i broke dpkg |
| 13:01.52 | enouf | hulo: /msg dpkg links2 (for a truly fast and non-bloated browser) |
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| 13:02.02 | liable | again |
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| 13:02.10 | liable | no surprises there |
| 13:02.12 | enouf | 2x ;-) |
| 13:02.16 | abrotman | i haven't borked the bot in awhile! |
| 13:02.36 | hulo | is there a tool that automates pasting to online paste bins? |
| 13:02.41 | hulo | gentoo had nopaste |
| 13:02.42 | enouf | ~double-pipe-smite abrotman |
| 13:02.44 | liable | yes |
| 13:02.55 | liable | hulo: pastebinit iirc |
| 13:03.00 | enouf | yerp |
| 13:03.09 | magike_r | abrotman: I do have wired network available, but only one cable that is connected to another computer, which cannot be disconnected. My wireless adapter is a DLINK DWA-547 300MBPS (http://www.cibo-grupa.hr/images/big_pictures/network/DWA-547.jpg) |
| 13:03.28 | hulo | liable: cheers |
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| 13:03.45 | liable | *clink* |
| 13:03.53 | \amethyst | ah, you mean: ? |
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| 13:03.58 | themill | hulo: or pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" |
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| 13:04.21 | enouf | themill: oh, that's working again? .. nice |
| 13:04.23 | \amethyst | # printf '1\n2\n3\n' | ( for var in a b c; do IFS='' read -r $var; done; echo "$b" ) |
| 13:04.25 | liable | old skewl |
| 13:04.27 | \amethyst | doh |
| 13:04.53 | abrotman | magike_r: i think you need the ath9k for that |
| 13:05.12 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.12 | themill | enouf: it's a little yoyo-like.... but working today, yes. |
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| 13:05.23 | phet | hello |
| 13:05.33 | red_eyes | Hello. I think I have a problem with sound. I can barely hear anything from this machine. I have debian kde installed and alsamixer looks ok. Thanks. |
| 13:05.35 | abrotman | magike_r: so you'll likely need to get the kmuto images to get that on your wireless |
| 13:05.35 | phet | does libatlas3gf-sse2 have a bug with aptitude? |
| 13:05.47 | enouf | themill: as long as it can perform a "walking-the-dog" it's all good ;-) |
| 13:05.50 | SRabbelier | abrotman: it looks like lsof has everything and the kitchen sink, hard to figure out which option I need to show me which process is hosting on a certain port, any suggestions? |
| 13:05.59 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp <portnum> |
| 13:06.03 | themill | enouf: hehe |
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| 13:06.27 | enouf | red_eyes: you have a working xterm? and which debian release? |
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| 13:06.51 | red_eyes | enouf: How to find out? |
| 13:06.59 | enouf | red_eyes: look at 'alsamixer' then hit the '/' key |
| 13:07.03 | enouf | er |
| 13:07.03 | ranix | yo dogg, can you yo yo a walk the dog with yo yo yo, dog? |
| 13:07.06 | red_eyes | ok |
| 13:07.16 | enouf | !+tell red_eyes -about version |
| 13:07.24 | enouf | oh crud |
| 13:07.31 | enouf | !blame abrotman |
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| 13:07.44 | SRabbelier | abrotman: ah, nice :) |
| 13:07.46 | magike_r | abrotman: right... suppose i can get these from my computer right now (i'm at work, windows xp), will I be able to use it later if I store it in a pendrive, in example? (god my english sucks) |
| 13:07.48 | enouf | is way too tired ... |
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| 13:07.55 | phet | aptitude tells me that I have problems with python-numpy and with libatlas3gf-sse2 |
| 13:08.20 | abrotman | magike_r: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 13:08.31 | abrotman | enouf: i'm sure oyu can tell him how to find his version without a bot :) |
| 13:08.39 | ranix | magike_r: you didn't horribly misuse apostrophes in that sentence, so you're ahead of most native english speakers already |
| 13:08.52 | abrotman | ranix: speaker's? :) |
| 13:09.03 | ranix | aaah |
| 13:09.13 | ranix | kill -9 self |
| 13:09.14 | jpinx-eeepc | wot no bot? |
| 13:09.19 | abrotman | i killed it |
| 13:09.20 | jpinx-eeepc | !dpkg Hi |
| 13:09.25 | abrotman | ranix: i was kidding |
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| 13:09.39 | ranix | : killall abrotman |
| 13:09.40 | enouf | took many hours to move his / FS to a much newer disk, had to mv data from there, wipe out the 1st primary and Ext'd w/Logical, Add new primaries in their places (btw - parted and sfdisk ftw) |
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| 13:10.04 | SRabbelier | abrotman: what could be going on if "fuser -n tcp 8000" doesn't list anything but the process still can't bind to http://127.0.0.1:8000/ ? |
| 13:10.05 | red_eyes | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m72c63699 |
| 13:10.11 | enouf | aptitude seems offline as well ... is apt around? |
| 13:10.15 | jpinx-eeepc | !aptitude hi |
| 13:10.19 | jpinx-eeepc | !apt hi |
| 13:10.19 | ranix | apt, start an editor war |
| 13:10.20 | apt | ACTION gets an editor war started |
| 13:10.25 | abrotman | SRabbelier: you're trying to get apache there? |
| 13:10.46 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: each bot has a different trigger |
| 13:10.49 | ranix | a[t. versions |
| 13:10.53 | ranix | apt, versions |
| 13:10.55 | SRabbelier | abrotman: no, Django, but I reckon the same "why can't I bind to port N" debugging techniques apply? |
| 13:10.57 | jelly | spook0: did you run that fuser as root? |
| 13:11.02 | jelly | SRabbelier: did you run that fuser as root? |
| 13:11.05 | enouf | judd versions hdparm |
| 13:11.05 | judd | enouf: hdparm -- etch: 6.9-2 lenny: 8.9-3 squeeze: 8.9-3 sid: 9.12-2 |
| 13:11.08 | SRabbelier | jelly: ah, good one |
| 13:11.12 | ranix | apt is a little outdated |
| 13:11.23 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: yea - so I'm finding:-/ |
| 13:11.30 | SRabbelier | jelly: awesome, now I got myself a nice PID to kill :P |
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| 13:11.41 | ranix | murderer |
| 13:12.05 | enouf | red_eyes: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 13:12.08 | SRabbelier | so why would something magically start hogging port 8000 that I can't see without sudo? :-/ |
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| 13:12.12 | enouf | (for starters) |
| 13:12.18 | SRabbelier | I'm running the Django process as myself |
| 13:12.21 | themill | enouf: presuming that dpkg replies ... |
| 13:12.27 | jelly | SRabbelier: "something"? |
| 13:12.29 | jpinx-eeepc | are all bots using the same information database? |
| 13:12.30 | enouf | dammit |
| 13:12.36 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: no |
| 13:12.38 | ranix | SRabbelier: have you parchance listened to a CD published by time warner |
| 13:12.42 | jelly | SRabbelier: did you check what it was? |
| 13:12.43 | jpinx-eeepc | bugger:( |
| 13:12.59 | red_eyes | enouf: dpkg doesn't reply |
| 13:13.00 | enouf | OH ... and i had to do all that .. and STILL my DownArrow key doesn't work ! |
| 13:13.05 | themill | stew: any change of having aptitude join since abrotman killed dpkg? |
| 13:13.15 | enouf | (beer spill ... gah) |
| 13:13.16 | jpinx-eeepc | apt is working |
| 13:13.20 | enouf | it was so slight though ... |
| 13:13.26 | jpinx-eeepc | but telling porkies ;) |
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| 13:13.35 | enouf | red_eyes: yes, i forgot - i'm too tired .. sorry |
| 13:13.48 | ranix | apt, start a party |
| 13:13.49 | apt | ACTION gets a party started |
| 13:14.06 | jpinx-eeepc | red_eyes: try apt instead of dpkg |
| 13:14.10 | red_eyes | enouf: ok. no problem. Can someone else help me please? |
| 13:14.33 | red_eyes | apt doesn't reply either. |
| 13:14.39 | SRabbelier | jelly: 1 S 110 5344 1 0 80 0 - 757 - ? 00:00:00 uuidd |
| 13:14.42 | SRabbelier | ranix: lololol |
| 13:14.55 | mosno | hah! my bug got forwarded upstream. i'm excited :) |
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| 13:16.13 | jpinx-eeepc | red_eyes: /msg apt <whatever> |
| 13:16.26 | themill | ~alsa checklist |
| 13:16.29 | red_eyes | jpinx-eeepc: I did /msg apt alsa checklist. |
| 13:16.34 | red_eyes | There was no reply |
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| 13:16.36 | SRabbelier | jelly: which kinda make sense, since my app uses python's uuid module... just weird that it hogs the port I'm running on :-/ |
| 13:17.08 | jelly | SRabbelier: did you forget to close all the fd's before forking off uuidd? |
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| 13:18.27 | SRabbelier | jelly: heh, yes, it seems like that is what Django does |
| 13:18.36 | SRabbelier | jelly: (iff one uses the uuid module) |
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| 13:18.50 | jelly | SRabbelier: congrats, you found a bug |
| 13:19.11 | jelly | either in uuid module or your app |
| 13:19.50 | jelly | or something completely different started that uuidd process |
| 13:19.56 | SRabbelier | jelly: it seems like http://tinyurl.com/d4jvrlis relevant to my interests |
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| 13:20.08 | jelly | fears goatse |
| 13:20.11 | SRabbelier | s/relevant/is relevant/ |
| 13:20.12 | jpinx-eeepc | red_eyes: it replied to me for alsa |
| 13:20.27 | SRabbelier | jelly: http://groups.google.com/group/django-users/browse_thread/thread/c83a7aa12bb1111d/32f5da081c81657b?lnk=raot |
| 13:20.39 | SRabbelier | jelly: perhaps a tiny bit less scary that way :P |
| 13:20.39 | jelly | ;-) |
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| 13:21.56 | SRabbelier | jelly: I guess I'll do what pcastellazzi suggests and run uuidd in the background :P |
| 13:22.08 | phet | how can I remove completely fglrx and use open source drivers? |
| 13:22.10 | red_eyes | jpinx-eeepc: It explained what alsa is. But how can I fix my sound? |
| 13:22.34 | magike_r | abrotman: sorry, i'm back. do you really recommend to use these modified versions? they're not going to screw debian later, right? |
| 13:22.41 | jelly | SRabbelier: since uuidd is written by Mr. Ted Ts'o and he is an extemely nice guy, it's possiblye you could persuade him to patch uuidd to close all unnecessary fds at start |
| 13:22.50 | magike_r | ranix: lol what? i didn't know native english speakers really suck at their own language. |
| 13:22.52 | jpinx-eeepc | red_eyes: I'm no expert on sound - sorry, but there is a gui for alsa configurations |
| 13:22.52 | abrotman | magike_r: you don't have much of a choice .. the kernel in lenny doesn't have ath9k |
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| 13:23.11 | SRabbelier | jelly: oh, I think I've spoken/heard of Ted Ts'o before |
| 13:23.32 | SRabbelier | jelly: d'you happen to know his preffered method of communication? |
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| 13:24.10 | SRabbelier | jelly: Ted Ts'o == Theodore Tso? |
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| 13:24.26 | red_eyes | jpinx-eeepc: ok thank you. |
| 13:24.49 | jelly | SRabbelier: hm, in this case you could report a bug for the uuid-runtime package, or just "man uuidd" and write him a mail |
| 13:24.50 | magike_r | abrotman: well, I guess you're right... but do you have any experience on these modified versions? used them before? |
| 13:24.55 | jelly | SRabbelier: yep |
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| 13:25.29 | melkart | dpkg doesnt answer me |
| 13:25.37 | melkart | when i msg it |
| 13:25.38 | abrotman | magike_r: i've used a much older verion .. haven't needed them in awhile |
| 13:25.45 | abrotman | melkart: i killed the bot |
| 13:25.54 | liable | again |
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| 13:25.59 | abrotman | not in awhile! |
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| 13:26.34 | jelly | %test |
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| 13:26.41 | jelly | &test |
| 13:26.43 | cousin_luigi | hello |
| 13:26.44 | melkart | the version of preload is ancient in debian (0.4.5) while a much newer version (0.6.4) exists... this has been reported as a bug almost a year ago, yet the package is not being updated. i cant find the package on the wnpp-list, either... is there anything i could or should do about it? |
| 13:26.48 | jelly | :test |
| 13:26.53 | cousin_luigi | keeps forgetting how to disable ipv6 |
| 13:27.03 | jelly | !+tell cousin_luigi -about noipv6 |
| 13:27.08 | jelly | oh fuck |
| 13:27.15 | jelly | apt: noipv6 |
| 13:27.27 | jelly | *grumble* |
| 13:27.28 | themill | so much fail in one channel |
| 13:27.45 | themill | [14:27] <dpkg> [noipv6] echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 13:27.46 | cousin_luigi | I can't remember the thing to do about the initrd |
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| 13:27.59 | magike_r | abrotman: a wired connection should work better, right? :< |
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| 13:28.30 | cousin_luigi | thanks themill |
| 13:28.38 | enouf | cousin_luigi: you mean blacklist initramfs? |
| 13:28.41 | jelly | magike_r: it should pretty much work out of the box, except whe it doesn't |
| 13:28.41 | cousin_luigi | but there's still something else about it |
| 13:28.49 | cousin_luigi | enouf: i think so |
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| 13:29.00 | abrotman | magike_r: probably .. but you'll still need a newer kernel for the ath9k |
| 13:29.17 | jelly | cousin_luigi: update-initramfs -u -k $(uname -r) ? |
| 13:29.21 | enouf | you add it also to /etc/initramfs-tools/blacklist or something and run update-initramfs cousin_luigi |
| 13:29.34 | jelly | enouf: is that really needed? |
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| 13:29.45 | ranix | magike_r: you must not know many native english speakers |
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| 13:29.57 | cousin_luigi | jelly: oh thanks |
| 13:29.59 | enouf | jelly: i forget .. one could also blacklist it on the kernel line |
| 13:30.00 | jelly | doesn't have ipv6 murdered in initramfs |
| 13:30.37 | jelly | enouf: why would a sane person even need ipv6 to boot! |
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| 13:30.42 | magike_r | magike_r: yea, I don't know any. i only know some british people. |
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| 13:30.51 | magike_r | jelly: yeah, i'm sure about that. |
| 13:30.51 | jelly | nfs boot over ipv6?!? |
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| 13:31.18 | lillis | uhm |
| 13:31.21 | enouf | jelly: ah .. right , /etc/modprobe.d/ "5.3.1.3. Blacklisting kernel modules" http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html |
| 13:31.28 | lillis | how do I install codecs to play/convert mp3, m4a etc.. ? |
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| 13:32.07 | abrotman | lillis: debian-multimedia.org |
| 13:32.13 | lillis | thanks |
| 13:32.18 | cousin_luigi | enouf: nice trick!:D |
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| 13:32.36 | jelly | enouf: I'm just saying, if it doesn't even end up in the image by default, there's no need to blacklist it there |
| 13:32.40 | cousin_luigi | enouf: will I also need to blacklist it in modules? |
| 13:32.40 | magike_r | abrotman: so in the end, downloading this .iso is the best & fastest solution? |
| 13:32.58 | SRabbelier | jelly: mailed :) |
| 13:33.00 | abrotman | magike_r: though i don't have ath9k hardware .. seems your best bet to get lenny going |
| 13:33.05 | SRabbelier | jelly: I'll let you know if he replies :) |
| 13:33.11 | enouf | cousin_luigi: fwiw - many times running "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-VERSION" would also update the initrd ... sometimes not though |
| 13:33.33 | cousin_luigi | okok |
| 13:33.45 | enouf | cousin_luigi: ensure you have neither /etc/modprobe.conf , nor /etc/modules.conf files |
| 13:34.05 | cousin_luigi | enouf: before doing what? |
| 13:34.19 | enouf | cousin_luigi: and check /etc/modules for any entries (ipv related ofcourse) - remove or comment them out |
| 13:34.32 | red_eyes | Anyone familiar with sound please? |
| 13:34.33 | jelly | SRabbelier: nah, I'll just see a new version of libuuid1 and uuid-runtime in debian one day. |
| 13:34.34 | enouf | cousin_luigi: all at once :-P |
| 13:34.59 | cousin_luigi | thanks:) |
| 13:35.04 | SRabbelier | jelly: haha, ok ;) |
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| 13:41.49 | heroxbd | guys, I am very sad... I killed my Thinkpad X41 Tablet again. The story is this: |
| 13:42.21 | valdyn | heroxbd: theyre not made to be used in your swimming pool =/ |
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| 13:43.02 | heroxbd | I installed Debian on it and it runs happily, until one day pressed Control-Alt-Delete when it is booting. |
| 13:43.25 | cast | how fragile |
| 13:43.44 | cousin_luigi^ | back |
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| 13:43.53 | liable | pfft |
| 13:43.57 | cousin_luigi | how do I get rid of portmap for good, again? |
| 13:44.13 | nijan | hello, I am trying to have iceweasel working with java. I have the latest lenny version, installed java and downloaded java6-plugin. But http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml is still complaining |
| 13:44.31 | nijan | Any idea? |
| 13:44.31 | heroxbd | It says "restarting machine" and stalled. After forcing poweroff, it refuses to boot again. I tried everything I could, no luck. |
| 13:44.57 | cast | heroxbd: so how far does it get? past grub? |
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| 13:45.30 | heroxbd | cast: no, not even trying to access HDD, not even to be able to enter BIOS setup. |
| 13:45.34 | liable | portmap and avahi need to be given bowel cancer and die slowely |
| 13:46.06 | liable | wtf every fucking meta package wants them now is weird |
| 13:46.24 | cast | hexoroid: how crappy, good case for hard disk encryption, so you don't have to return all your files along with your tablet to IBM |
| 13:47.02 | johndoe | is there a disassembler for linux that can mix source code and disassembly? (the binary is obviously compiled with the -g option) |
| 13:47.03 | heroxbd | a local guru examined it, saying the south-bridge is dead. He replaced the south-bridge for me, and it was happy again. |
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| 13:47.30 | liable | johndoe: google dude |
| 13:47.37 | jelly | gives liable some hal and udev love. |
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| 13:48.16 | heroxbd | until just now, when I wanted to boot into my USB-HDD. I pressed, accidentally, Ctrl-Alt-Del during its boot again. again, it died. |
| 13:48.37 | heroxbd | I am sooooooo sad, guys, really.... |
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| 13:48.53 | liable | !aww |
| 13:49.06 | liable | bah |
| 13:49.40 | heroxbd | cast: disk encryption? I did not thought of it. |
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| 13:50.12 | cast | heroxbd: i wouldn't do a computer/hard drive return without it! [not that i do anyway, hds are cheap enough to just throw away] |
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| 13:50.36 | heroxbd | I am just wondering, how can rebooting during the initramfs scripts can kill my X41 Tablet's south-bridge. |
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| 13:50.55 | b52laptop | hi |
| 13:50.57 | liable | heroxbd: it cant, shit happens.. |
| 13:51.02 | module000 | heroxbd: it can fuse the aft plasma conduits in the flux capacitor |
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| 13:51.22 | b52laptop | ppl i got a laptop with 4giga of ram according to vista ... but my frexsh leny show ionly 2.9 |
| 13:51.25 | heroxbd | cast: It is not the problem of HDD, I removed it, it still can't boot |
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| 13:51.51 | jelly | heroxbd: conclusion: something else is giving your southbridge pain. |
| 13:52.14 | cousin_luigi | bye all! |
| 13:52.15 | jelly | probably not a Debian issue |
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| 13:53.08 | valdyn | b52laptop: is it vista 64-bit? |
| 13:53.47 | b52laptop | valdyn, uname -a give 686 |
| 13:53.54 | b52laptop | hm must reboot to check |
| 13:53.58 | valdyn | b52laptop: uname does not exist in vista |
| 13:54.12 | module000 | b52laptop: are you in vista right now? |
| 13:54.25 | valdyn | b52laptop: nah, you dont need to |
| 13:54.25 | b52laptop | module000, rebbot to start vista |
| 13:54.31 | b52laptop | hm |
| 13:54.36 | liable | heroxbd: dude, think about it, if a linux kernel was known to fry your southbridge, you would have read about it on digg.. (i say digg because if you believe the kernel caused it, you're likey to be a digg reader too!) :) |
| 13:54.37 | heroxbd | let me make it a bit more clear: last time I pressed Ctrl-Alt-Del during initramfs stage of boot and it stalled. After force poweroff, BIOS self-test cannot be completed, but with no error. A local guru replaced the south-bridge for me and the machine (IBM X41T) is good again. Just then I did the same foolish thing (rebooting during initramfs stage), and it died just the same. |
| 13:54.41 | module000 | b52laptop: not a sticker on your laptop saying vista-64bit? |
| 13:54.45 | valdyn | b52laptop: vista isnt going to use 4G if you dont use 64-bit vista |
| 13:54.56 | b52laptop | module000, nop |
| 13:54.59 | valdyn | b52laptop: if it claims that it uses 4G on its 32-bit version then its lying |
| 13:55.18 | b52laptop | valdyn, yeah ;) vista is a lia**** :d |
| 13:55.20 | valdyn | b52laptop: same for debian, if you want to use the complete 4G, then you should use the debian/amd64 version |
| 13:55.31 | module000 | valdyn: vista will report 4gb now...but only applications that use the PAE api can use it...it's very misleading |
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| 13:55.43 | module000 | valdyn: which is par for the course i guess |
| 13:55.46 | valdyn | module000: now THAT is fucked up |
| 13:55.48 | liable | heroxbd: and of all laptops, if the linux kernel would kill a thinkpad, it would be headline on all tech news sites.. |
| 13:55.57 | heroxbd | liable: Yes. I am aware of it. But I really don't know what killed my laptop... |
| 13:56.05 | valdyn | module000: but does it really get all 4G? |
| 13:56.11 | b52laptop | non mention anywhere |
| 13:56.14 | b52laptop | of 64 bits |
| 13:56.38 | b52laptop | and vista says 4giga |
| 13:56.45 | module000 | valdyn: not the OS, but a single application can request as much memory as it wants...beyond 4gb using the PAE api, but it's just that application. ms sql server is one app that can do that |
| 13:56.50 | b52laptop | and at the shop i buy it because of its 4giga :) |
| 13:56.54 | mosno | module000: why would userspace have to use an API to be mapped to the high RAM area? |
| 13:57.11 | b52laptop | so i have to recompile the kernel with PAE option .? |
| 13:57.12 | module000 | mosno: ask microsoft? |
| 13:57.17 | valdyn | b52laptop: no, bad idea |
| 13:57.24 | module000 | b52laptop: no, use 64bit linux |
| 13:57.35 | valdyn | b52laptop: you *can* do that, but you probably *should* use the 64-bit debian version : debian/amd64 |
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| 13:57.47 | heroxbd | liable: all I did was to press Ctrl-Alt-Del when it is booting (executing initram scripts). and the last time the same problem was fixed by replacing south-bridge. -- that's all that I know... I am really confused. |
| 13:58.09 | b52laptop | module000, valdyn ok thanks downloading 64 version |
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| 13:58.34 | ranix | more like the PIA API amirite |
| 13:59.14 | liable | heroxbd: agreed its odd, but i cant see it as anything than very circumstantial |
| 13:59.20 | valdyn | heroxbd: i dont get how he can replace the south bridge |
| 13:59.22 | heroxbd | jelly: something? you mean when I Ctrl-A-D during booting, I called up a daemon to bites south-bridges? |
| 13:59.30 | valdyn | heroxbd: that sounds like bullshit to me |
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| 13:59.35 | b52laptop | valdyn, module000 http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/amd64/iso-cd/ right ? |
| 13:59.49 | [4-tea-2] | Anybody know of a command-line tool to edit config files which isn't called "sed"? ;) |
| 13:59.49 | valdyn | heroxbd: *most* mainboards you will have to replace completely to replace the southbridge |
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| 14:00.05 | ranix | heroxbd: you don't "call up" a daemon, you *summon* it |
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| 14:00.19 | heroxbd | valdyn: he burn the old south-bridge off and use a BGA machine (sth like that) to burn a new one on to the motherboard. |
| 14:00.24 | jelly | heroxbd: no, like a shorted cap somewhere else on the mainboard pushing or pulling more voltage/amperage than your chip can work it for prolonged periods |
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| 14:00.43 | valdyn | heroxbd: BIOS can be burnt |
| 14:00.52 | valdyn | heroxbd: a southbridge certainly not |
| 14:00.55 | b52laptop | valdyn, module000 one last question even if i got intel :d ? |
| 14:01.03 | b52laptop | 32 bits :d |
| 14:01.22 | valdyn | b52laptop: which cpu is it? |
| 14:01.29 | heroxbd | ranix: really... "summon..." |
| 14:01.40 | jelly | valdyn: it's obviously a soldering process he refered to |
| 14:01.53 | b52laptop | valdyn, intel core 2 duo |
| 14:02.03 | b52laptop | 2Ghz |
| 14:02.12 | valdyn | b52laptop: use debian/amd64 then |
| 14:02.21 | b52laptop | valdyn, ok boss |
| 14:02.24 | heroxbd | valdyn: But the last time he fixed it through replacing the south-bridge... |
| 14:03.03 | cast | oh dear me, io errors on mah drive |
| 14:03.12 | valdyn | heroxbd: call ibm |
| 14:03.29 | valdyn | heroxbd: they will replace the mainboard for free anyway |
| 14:03.30 | ranix | heroxbd: with an ounce of the blood of a Microsoft Certified OEM System Builder, a pinch of hair from a SCO litigant, and the arcane incantation of the latter half of the Hacktivismo Mission Statement... yes, one can summon a daemon from the command-line. |
| 14:04.03 | Bravewolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.03 | valdyn | heroxbd: or lenovo even, not like thats a difference atm for laptops |
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| 14:04.58 | heroxbd | ranix: But, but, but I am a pure Debian user and fun |
| 14:05.17 | heroxbd | ranix: pure and untouched. |
| 14:05.21 | ranix | heroxbd: la vaca es muerta! Super Cow Powers are no match for hysteria |
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| 14:06.07 | heroxbd | valdyn: thanks. I will calm down and try to call them. |
| 14:06.30 | valdyn | heroxbd: they are quite nice, but you might get issues after your "custom" repair |
| 14:06.56 | valdyn | heroxbd: but you might get lucky anywayn, their service is great |
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| 14:07.29 | heroxbd | valdyn: agree. But I am still wondering why, still. |
| 14:07.30 | Sokolas | Hello! Can anybody help me? I have a problem setting up internet using gprs and a phome as modem |
| 14:07.49 | valdyn | heroxbd: side effect of something else being broken |
| 14:07.58 | heroxbd | Sokolas: I bet wvdial to good for you. |
| 14:08.07 | valdyn | heroxbd: most an OS can do is kill firmware |
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| 14:09.20 | Sokolas | I've installed debian lenny, bluetooth utils and wvdial. The problem is, when i connect, everything slows down, and i can't do anything using X. Console programs are ok |
| 14:09.33 | heroxbd | valdyn: you mean the last time, replacing south-bridge did not fixed the original problem, but just made the machine work. |
| 14:09.41 | valdyn | heroxbd: probably yea |
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| 14:10.04 | valdyn | heroxbd: i have no idea if the southbridge might not have firmware on it, but id think not |
| 14:10.13 | valdyn | heroxbd: in which case you cant just break it |
| 14:10.16 | heroxbd | valdyn: so there is a daemon inside my laptop. pooor. |
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| 14:11.29 | heroxbd | Sokolas: everythings slows down? That's weird. |
| 14:12.16 | valdyn | Sokolas: phome as a modem? |
| 14:12.24 | valdyn | Sokolas: you can you are using a modem? |
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| 14:12.32 | valdyn | Sokolas: which is a winmodem? |
| 14:12.46 | ranix | winmodem is a software modem |
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| 14:13.11 | ranix | it was a poorly chosen name |
| 14:13.12 | valdyn | winmodem = soundcard with "special" connectors |
| 14:13.18 | Sokolas | Heroxbd: how can i find out what causes this? top shows that no processes are using more than 0.7% cpu |
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| 14:13.51 | \amethyst | Sokolas: maybe check /proc/interrupts a couple of times and see if any numbers are increasing insanely quickly |
| 14:13.52 | valdyn | Sokolas: check the sy% too |
| 14:13.54 | Sokolas | What is winmodem? |
| 14:13.56 | valdyn | Sokolas: in top |
| 14:14.06 | valdyn | Sokolas: we just said that |
| 14:14.08 | \amethyst | Sokolas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softmodem |
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| 14:15.34 | Sokolas | Sorry, i have to use a phone irc client, so i type slowly |
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| 14:15.45 | heroxbd | valdyn: Sokolas is using his gprs phone as modem. Can a phone be actully a softmodem? |
| 14:15.53 | valdyn | heroxbd: no, its not even a modem |
| 14:16.09 | heroxbd | valdyn: what is it? |
| 14:16.32 | liable | it is a modem |
| 14:16.47 | valdyn | liable: then a nic is a modem too |
| 14:16.50 | valdyn | liable: which its not |
| 14:16.52 | Sokolas | Wvdial connects me to internet, and i can ping hosts from console, but i can't do anything with graphical programs |
| 14:17.06 | liable | using a phone over bluetooth or whatever, you still need to feed it ppp commands |
| 14:17.17 | valdyn | heroxbd: it does the same as an ethernet nic , but not computer <-> ethernet but computer <-> gprs |
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| 14:17.40 | valdyn | yea, itll connect using ppp probably |
| 14:17.42 | heroxbd | valdyn: I guess you are referring blueteeth. |
| 14:17.54 | liable | valdyn: using a phone over whatever connection, still requires pppd to talk to it |
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| 14:18.21 | valdyn | so confused |
| 14:18.22 | \amethyst | liable: but pppoe also uses PPP |
| 14:18.26 | heroxbd | liable: Sokolas can connect to the net. So his PPP is up.. |
| 14:18.35 | valdyn | liable: because thats how the peer lets people log in, that has nothing to do with modems |
| 14:19.16 | valdyn | heroxbd: anyway, its converting one digitial signal into another digital signal -> not a modem |
| 14:19.33 | liable | valdyn: you are drifting from the point, if you want to use a phone over gprs, using linux, it *is* a modem, and you need pppd |
| 14:19.49 | heroxbd | valdyn: agree with liable. |
| 14:19.54 | valdyn | liable: its very irrelevant to his issue that its not a modem |
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| 14:20.24 | valdyn | which is why its irrelevant, everony can check the facts at the proper encyclopedia or wherever |
| 14:20.56 | hulo | hello. how do i get all the dev packages that were used to build a package? |
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| 14:21.03 | hulo | i have deb-src enabled in sources.lst |
| 14:21.20 | valdyn | hulo: apt-get build-dep <packagename> |
| 14:21.21 | heroxbd | hulo: try apt-src |
| 14:21.43 | hulo | valdyn: thanks |
| 14:21.46 | hulo | heroxbd: ta |
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| 14:21.55 | liable | i picked up late in the conversation, but if you are using a phone to connect to the net, it will be via ppp, and it will act as a modem. i cant be arsed checking backlog though |
| 14:22.06 | hulo | one other q: why are there so many console-kit-daemon procs? |
| 14:22.11 | hulo | i counted like 50 or more |
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| 14:22.15 | valdyn | liable: yea, that was right |
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| 14:22.26 | valdyn | liable: "act as modem" ) |
| 14:22.27 | themill | there's probably no modulation and demodulation going on though, since we're talking gprs. |
| 14:22.32 | ranix | I actually still have an acoustic coupler left over from my less scrupulous days |
| 14:22.47 | heroxbd | valdyn: I think it is a modem: carrying digital signals through gprs. |
| 14:23.10 | valdyn | heroxbd: gprs is digital just like ethernet -> so its not a modem |
| 14:23.29 | hulo | is there a commandline tool that uses bugs.debian.org? |
| 14:23.33 | liable | you are being techinical |
| 14:23.34 | hulo | ie for search |
| 14:23.37 | jpinx-eeepc | used to use a mobile as a modem - what a performance that was to configure:( |
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| 14:23.49 | liable | for all intensive purposes, his phone is the modem |
| 14:23.58 | jpinx-eeepc | then I moved to gprs on my mobile - |
| 14:24.03 | themill | "intents and purposes"? |
| 14:24.06 | ranix | liable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggcorn |
| 14:24.15 | liable | why do we need to distinguish the pint? |
| 14:24.15 | jpinx-eeepc | the configs for connecting were totally different |
| 14:24.20 | hulo | commandline-interfaace for bdo, anyone? |
| 14:24.20 | valdyn | liable: it started technical, when someone asked what a winmodem is, and we drifted from there |
| 14:24.33 | liable | valdyn: oh, ok |
| 14:24.44 | themill | hulo: yes, "bts" |
| 14:24.50 | liable | then i apalogise :) |
| 14:25.00 | liable | apologise even |
| 14:25.44 | Xires | does amd64 have any known problems with sound? particularly with pulseaudio?? |
| 14:26.13 | valdyn | Xires: no, not more than i386 |
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| 14:26.36 | Xires | valdyn; K, thanks |
| 14:26.39 | valdyn | ootput: you get one console-kit-daemon per login |
| 14:26.44 | hulo | themill: it's use is even more confusing that the online page :/ i have no idea how to search for keyword |
| 14:26.53 | valdyn | ootput: maybe each of your X terminals is a login terminal |
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| 14:27.16 | themill | hulo: google site:bugs.debian.org your keywords ... |
| 14:27.27 | hulo | valdyn: i'll test that with ps aux | grep <shell> right? |
| 14:27.47 | valdyn | hulo: that counts shells, not login shells |
| 14:27.52 | hulo | themill: thanks! |
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| 14:28.52 | valdyn | Xires: hmm, i was wrong |
| 14:28.52 | hulo | valdyn: seems a lot of ubuntu users are getting this (top google results) |
| 14:29.04 | Xires | valdyn; really? |
| 14:29.04 | valdyn | Xires: at least not automatically on debian |
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| 14:29.38 | Xires | valdyn; am wondering because I have yet to get pulseaudio to work properly on this system for any decent length of time |
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| 14:29.54 | hulo | valdyn: hmm, it seems consile-kit-daemon errors are logged |
| 14:30.09 | valdyn | Xires: read the logs |
| 14:30.23 | Xires | valdyn; I try..the issue is that there aren't any |
| 14:30.35 | nextime | hello all. My home ws have all fs, also the rootfs, encrypted using dmcrypt over lvm. I need to reboot my pc remotely, so, i'm setup serial access. Grub is ok, mgetty also is ok, and i put console=ttyS0 and console=tty0 on the kernel command line. |
| 14:30.38 | valdyn | Xires: i.e. start pulseaudio on command line |
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| 14:30.50 | nextime | The problem is that when the initramfs ask for the password of the root file system |
| 14:30.53 | Xires | valdyn; I know, I'm not a newb |
| 14:30.59 | valdyn | Xires: ok |
| 14:31.00 | heroxbd | Xires: pulseaudio is still a wild beast. When it is working, it is very powerful. But otherwise, it is a disaster. |
| 14:31.06 | valdyn | Xires: so its running? |
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| 14:31.07 | nextime | i can't see nor insert it from serial console |
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| 14:31.08 | Xires | pulseaudio -D --log-level=4 no logs |
| 14:31.15 | valdyn | Xires: if its not crashing - tell me what exactly is not working |
| 14:31.24 | Xires | heroxbd; so I'm finding |
| 14:31.31 | nextime | is there any way to solve it with "standard" debian tools, or i need to write a modified self-made initramfs? |
| 14:31.46 | hulo | valdyn: if you can help me, this is from /var/log/daemon.log http://pastebin.com/f9c39ea |
| 14:31.48 | arkanabar | what's the bash command to show current video driver? |
| 14:31.55 | valdyn | Xires: pulseaudio does *not* permanently block devices nodes, which means that applications useing *different* sound output methods can easily disturb it |
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| 14:32.18 | Xires | valdyn; it stops responding..apps can't connect to it..the daemon is still running but doing nothing, strace is of no value for some reason |
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| 14:32.33 | valdyn | hulo: wrong link |
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| 14:32.57 | Xires | valdyn; pulseaudio is the only method being used, no others |
| 14:33.04 | hulo | valdyn: woops:; http://pastebin.com/f9c39ead |
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| 14:33.10 | valdyn | Xires: my skype can confuse pulseaudio |
| 14:33.13 | b52laptop | ppl dkpg-reconfigure give me a empty xorg.conf |
| 14:33.20 | b52laptop | i mean badly configured |
| 14:33.32 | valdyn | Xires: not having problems with anything else though |
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| 14:33.43 | hulo | valdyn: that gets reported to syslog too |
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| 14:33.58 | heroxbd | b52laptop: for modern xorg, an emtpy xorg.conf just works. |
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| 14:34.11 | Xires | valdyn; first discovered the issues w/ rhythmbox |
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| 14:34.41 | valdyn | Xires: is gnome set to use pulseaudio? |
| 14:35.19 | Xires | not using Gnome but the entire system is set to use pulseaudio..including anything trying to use alsa |
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| 14:35.35 | roue | hola |
| 14:35.39 | Dillizar | how much ram i need for the minimal CD |
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| 14:35.51 | roue | where is the debian appropriate place to specify iptables rules? rc.local? |
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| 14:36.07 | valdyn | Xires: rhythmbox uses gstreamer, which is configured via gstreamer-properties or gnomes thing iirc |
| 14:36.10 | heroxbd | Xires: tried not to daemonize pulseaudio and see what is output? |
| 14:36.20 | Xires | valdyn; and gstreamer is using pulseaudio |
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| 14:36.44 | Xires | heroxbd; indeed, highest loglevel & everything |
| 14:36.44 | heroxbd | Xires: First try something directly speak pulseaudio and debug. |
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| 14:37.12 | heroxbd | Xires: then what pulseaudio says? any error? |
| 14:37.59 | Xires | heroxbd; none |
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| 14:38.22 | heroxbd | Xires: pulseaudio & alsa are not muted? |
| 14:38.23 | hulo | valdyn: any ideas? |
| 14:38.36 | valdyn | Xires: is your pulseaudio being "forced" to use dmixed alsa? |
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| 14:38.45 | Xires | heroxbd; no, I hear sound..the issue is that eventually it stops..and I'm not using dmix |
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| 14:39.07 | valdyn | .14 worked fine w/ dmix, experimentals versions didnt, a short while ago |
| 14:39.12 | valdyn | no about about sid/current |
| 14:39.19 | valdyn | no idea about about sid/current |
| 14:39.34 | b52laptop | ppl i just installed xserver-xorg + openbox but i don't have the startx command ! |
| 14:39.37 | valdyn | hulo: nope |
| 14:39.45 | Xires | valdyn; I read about dmix & pulseaudio..the fact that it was told to 'never be supported by Debian' kinda turned me off to it |
| 14:39.45 | valdyn | b52laptop: aptitude install xorg |
| 14:39.53 | Xires | obviously there must be another method to getting it working |
| 14:40.17 | valdyn | Xires: what is "never be supported by Debian" ? |
| 14:40.38 | b52laptop | valdyn, ok for the 4giga issue :; i used a bigmem kernel and it resolved the issue |
| 14:40.48 | Xires | valdyn; dmix method |
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| 14:41.02 | valdyn | Xires: thats nonsense, dmix works fine in debian |
| 14:41.21 | Xires | is listening to: Lily Allen - Unknown - Alfie - (0:56/2:41) |
| 14:41.24 | valdyn | Xires: pulseaudio had issues using dmix, as does skype still |
| 14:41.39 | valdyn | Xires: but generally dmix works fine |
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| 14:41.56 | toad_ | is there a known problem with php5-cgi segfaulting on etch? |
| 14:42.13 | toad_ | is it likely to get fixed? |
| 14:42.18 | valdyn | Xires: for all i know alsa in debian defaults to dmix |
| 14:42.21 | toad_ | is there any workaround? |
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| 14:42.32 | Xires | valdyn; http://www.mail-archive.com/pkg-pulseaudio-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org/msg00534.html |
| 14:42.41 | b52laptop | ppl how to check the resolution my xorg is using ? |
| 14:42.41 | valdyn | Xires: but pulseaudio will not default to using dmix, itll use hardware directly |
| 14:42.46 | Xires | "PulseAudio on dmix is not (and probably never will be) a supported |
| 14:42.46 | Xires | configuration. Upstream has made this clear on several occasions." |
| 14:43.12 | heroxbd | b52laptop: just curious about what does "ppl" mean. |
| 14:43.27 | b52laptop | heroxbd, sorry ; people :) |
| 14:43.29 | valdyn | Xires: ok, upstream pulseaudio devs dont care about dmix, thats all |
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| 14:43.31 | b52laptop | ppl => people :d |
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| 14:43.32 | Xires | unsupported and, from what it seems, completely unrecommended |
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| 14:43.48 | Xires | so there must be some other method |
| 14:43.59 | valdyn | Xires: other method for WHAT? |
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| 14:44.33 | Xires | to get pulseaudio to work properly |
| 14:44.52 | valdyn | Xires: dmix is a way to break pulseaudios official support |
| 14:45.00 | heroxbd | Xires: First, make sure alsa alone works properly. |
| 14:45.06 | valdyn | Xires: by default pulseaudio will use the hardware devices directly |
| 14:45.14 | Xires | heroxbd; it does, mpg123 confirmed |
| 14:45.17 | valdyn | Xires: thats the "other" method |
| 14:45.51 | heroxbd | valdyn: Xires is not using dmix. and pulseaudio is not supposed to use with dmix. |
| 14:46.11 | valdyn | Xires: or technically more precise: by default pulseaudio will use libasound to use the hardware devices *without* dmix |
| 14:46.21 | Xires | valdyn; that's also the 'supported' method..that's what I'd prefer to use..I'd prefer to avoid pulseaudio + dmix since, if it's unsupported, there MUST be some reason and it SHOULD work without using dmix |
| 14:46.51 | valdyn | Xires: yea, i wanted you to switch off dmix if you had forced it, that was the point of my question |
| 14:46.56 | valdyn | Xires: i never suggested you use it |
| 14:47.00 | heroxbd | Xires: What is your distribution? lenny or sqeeze or sid |
| 14:47.41 | Xires | heroxbd; lenny currently because I've not run amd64 before |
| 14:48.02 | Xires | but previously(on different system) I was running sid |
| 14:48.09 | Xires | and wasn't having any issues with it |
| 14:48.25 | heroxbd | i386 sid? |
| 14:48.35 | arkanabar | How do I find out what video drivers I have running? |
| 14:48.46 | valdyn | arkanabar: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:48.52 | Xires | I was previously running i686 sid on a Pentium4 |
| 14:49.26 | Xires | now I'm running amd64 lenny on an Athlon 64 x2 |
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| 14:50.14 | Xires | heroxbd; ^^ |
| 14:50.55 | Xires | rhythmbox-metadata segfault in libgobject-2.0 |
| 14:51.00 | Xires | pulseaudio no longer responding |
| 14:51.16 | Xires | no errors at all |
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| 14:51.30 | heroxbd | Xires: have you tried pa utils? like paman, pavumeter, pavucontrol... |
| 14:51.30 | valdyn | Xires: so rhythmbox seems to be killing pulseaudio |
| 14:51.38 | SQlvpapir | I have a makefile from which I wish to briefly install a program, run it and then remove it again. However the makefile does not contain any "uninstall" section. I dont want to put garbage all over my system. will I be able to do a simple make remove with this makefile? |
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| 14:51.53 | Xires | heroxbd; yes |
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| 14:52.10 | Xires | valdyn; no, rhythmbox dies as a result of losing pulseaudio |
| 14:52.13 | arkanabar | valdyn: that's a big file. What am I looking for? |
| 14:52.23 | valdyn | arkanabar: "driver" or "Driver" |
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| 14:53.02 | valdyn | arkanabar: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so |
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| 14:53.19 | valdyn | SQlvpapir: you can use checkinstall for that |
| 14:53.44 | valdyn | SQlvpapir: but often you dont need to install the program, just build and run, not "make install" |
| 14:54.10 | SRabbelier | I think pkg-config is giving outdated version information, I think I remember I might need to update it's db somehow? |
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| 14:54.19 | valdyn | SRabbelier: nope |
| 14:54.25 | SRabbelier | :( |
| 14:54.43 | SRabbelier | The configure script for vmware-tools is saying: checking for gtkmm-2.4 >= 2.4.0 (via pkg-config)... no |
| 14:55.11 | valdyn | SRabbelier: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ is the "database", installing libraries puts files there, pkg-config doesnt modify |
| 14:55.37 | valdyn | SRabbelier: so its not installed, duh |
| 14:55.42 | SRabbelier | valdyn: but it is :P |
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| 14:55.47 | valdyn | SRabbelier: no its not |
| 14:55.50 | SQlvpapir | valdyn: I usually do it that way (make -> ./binary) however this program looks for several files located it the folder. |
| 14:55.59 | SQlvpapir | I'll have a look at checkinstall |
| 14:56.35 | SRabbelier | triple checks |
| 14:56.37 | heroxbd | Xires: I just don't know what's going on. You tried all that I could think of... |
| 14:56.54 | valdyn | SQlvpapir: wich package is installed which you think provides those files? |
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| 14:57.22 | SQlvpapir | valdyn: none. they come in the folder inside the tarball |
| 14:57.34 | Xires | heroxbd; I understand, that's why I was wondering if it was an issue typical of amd64 |
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| 14:57.41 | Dillizar | do i need less ram for the minimal CD |
| 14:57.44 | valdyn | SQlvpapir: vmware includes gtkmm-2.4? |
| 14:57.52 | SRabbelier | jelly: ok, going to poke you anyway |
| 14:57.58 | SRabbelier | jelly: I just got a mail back from Tso |
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| 14:58.04 | SRabbelier | jelly: it was fixed in yesterday night's release :P |
| 14:58.30 | heroxbd | Xires: maybe it is becoming too pulseaudio specific. Posting on pulseaudio mailinglist might help. |
| 14:58.31 | Xires | heroxbd; I've even gone through the driver source for the audio card and done some mild profiling to see if there was something getting 'stuck'(e.g. an invalid spinlock or something) |
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| 14:58.54 | SQlvpapir | valdyn: what? this is the "thing" im dealing with v |
| 14:58.55 | SQlvpapir | http://hardware4linux.info/download/ |
| 14:59.05 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:59.46 | jelly | SRabbelier: instant win! |
| 14:59.54 | valdyn | SQlvpapir: i was saying that gtkmm-2.4 is not installed. |
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| 15:00.08 | jmut | https://www.getdropbox.com/ is there package for this thingy ? |
| 15:00.14 | SQlvpapir | valdyn: why do you tell me? |
| 15:00.16 | ranamalo | pciid 01:06.0 |
| 15:00.26 | valdyn | SQlvpapir: ops |
| 15:00.28 | SRabbelier | jelly: for sure! |
| 15:00.32 | SRabbelier | valdyn: you mean me? :P |
| 15:00.34 | valdyn | SQlvpapir: sorry |
| 15:00.34 | jelly | SRabbelier: except you'll have to backport those uuid packages yourself if you're running lenny |
| 15:00.36 | valdyn | SRabbelier: yea |
| 15:00.46 | ranamalo | hey what is the bot to check pciid? |
| 15:00.53 | SRabbelier | valdyn: obviously you were right :P |
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| 15:01.23 | themill | ranamalo: that's not a device id. but /msg judd help pciid |
| 15:01.35 | mrglinux | I look for php5 mod for apache2 but I can't find it what is the package name ? |
| 15:01.47 | valdyn | mrglinux: apt-cache search php5 mod |
| 15:01.54 | ranamalo | judd pciid 01:06.0 |
| 15:01.56 | judd | ranamalo: Error: I don't know what you mean by PCI Id '01:06.0'. 0000:0000 is my preferred format where both vendor Id and device Id are are in hexadecimal. |
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| 15:02.06 | themill | ranamalo: that's still not a pciid... |
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| 15:02.32 | themill | ranamalo: look for the number in [0000:0000] in the output of lspci -nn |
| 15:02.45 | ranamalo | themill: ok thanks |
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| 15:03.14 | ranamalo | judd pciid 1282:9102 |
| 15:03.15 | judd | ranamalo: [1282:9102] is '21x4x DEC-Tulip compatible 10/100 Ethernet' from 'Davicom Semiconductor, Inc.' with kernel module 'dmfe' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1282:9102 |
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| 15:04.41 | Dillizar | do i need less ram for the minimal CD |
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| 15:04.59 | SQlvpapir | valdyn: it dident really work out well.. checkinstall put garbage all over my system w/o even keeping a log (afaik) http://pastebin.com/m7fa97da6 |
| 15:05.01 | ranamalo | themill: I'm trying to troubleshoot this nic and judd says it works fine |
| 15:05.18 | SQlvpapir | Dillizar: you can pass lowram option iirc |
| 15:05.26 | ranamalo | themill: but it's not grabbing an dhcp ip |
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| 15:06.13 | themill | ranamalo: can you find out from the dhcp server what's going on? Is the dhcp server offering it an IP? What's your local dhcp client saying when it tries to get an IP? |
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| 15:07.26 | themill | ranamalo: btw etch or lenny? |
| 15:07.32 | ranamalo | lenny |
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| 15:08.07 | SRabbelier | valdyn: ok, so I've tried installing libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a, but no luck |
| 15:08.23 | SRabbelier | valdyn: ftr, `pkg-config --version libgtkmm-2.4` returns... 0.22? |
| 15:08.28 | ranamalo | themill: http://debian.pastebin.com/m357ebc38 |
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| 15:09.06 | themill | ranamalo: that card is also supported by the "tulip" driver, so check which one you're using. The dmfe module also has a lot of knobs to twiddle as module parameters. I know nothing about this hardware though... I can only tell you where to look. |
| 15:09.12 | nextime | Any know work around / dirty hack for this issue? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=489206 |
| 15:09.40 | themill | ranamalo: Is it using tulip of dmfe? (check lsmod and dmesg) Also check dmesg for messages related to that card. |
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| 15:10.45 | ranamalo | themill: both tulip and dmfe are loaded but used by 0 devices |
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| 15:11.17 | ranamalo | themill: http://debian.pastebin.com/m15a15aa9 |
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| 15:11.36 | ranamalo | themill: shoud a do a dmesg | grep eth0? |
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| 15:12.20 | adb | ranamalo: i'll change that card , having some issue with that too |
| 15:12.28 | themill | ranamalo: useful messages will be in lines around those that match "eth0" but not caught by that expression. dmesg|less and then /eth0 and have a look around might be better. |
| 15:13.49 | ranamalo | themill: ok |
| 15:13.56 | ranamalo | adb: what do you mean? |
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| 15:16.35 | adb | ranamalo: use other pci net card |
| 15:16.38 | ranamalo | themill: this is interesting what do you make of it: http://debian.pastebin.com/m59e5c325 |
| 15:16.41 | HealthyHamburger | Are there any decent editors for debian/linux? Is there a guide I can read through or? |
| 15:17.00 | PatrickBatman | "editors"? |
| 15:17.00 | ranamalo | adb: you couldn't get it to work? |
| 15:17.14 | path_ | HealthyHamburger, there are a bunch of editors. |
| 15:17.23 | nkuttler | HealthyHamburger: uh, define decent.. |
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| 15:17.31 | PatrickBatman | you mean like "notepad"? |
| 15:17.45 | HealthyHamburger | Not just notepad with syntax highlighting |
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| 15:17.57 | PatrickBatman | heh. yeah, tons. I'm partial to vim |
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| 15:18.06 | path_ | Emacs here :) |
| 15:18.10 | nkuttler | vim++ |
| 15:18.11 | PatrickBatman | n00bs who can program like gedit in my workplace |
| 15:18.25 | PatrickBatman | s/n00bs/linux n00bs/ |
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| 15:18.49 | path_ | that facism. even richie uses windows |
| 15:18.49 | ranamalo | themill: look like tulip comes up and then dmfe |
| 15:18.53 | syockit | please guide me how to use grub rescue (of grub2). i don't know what env i need to set to make it boot |
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| 15:19.21 | ranamalo | themill: and then udev renames it to eth0 |
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| 15:19.25 | themill | HealthyHamburger: gedit, kwrite, kate, vim, kdevelop, eric, ... there are heaps. |
| 15:20.04 | plagerism | hello, I am attempting to build the latest version of snort into a deb, so i downloaded the snort.orig and diffs from packages.debian.org, but where would I download the debian/ directory to use dpkg |
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| 15:20.31 | themill | ranamalo: yeah, looks like it. But I wouldn't worry about the renaming. I presume you've double checked that you've got the cable plugged into that device not into the 3com card.... |
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| 15:21.08 | themill | plagerism: if you have a deb-src line, then use apt-get source. Otherwise, you want the diff.gz file from the same place. |
| 15:21.09 | ranamalo | themill: then it fails to the end of dmesg: http://debian.pastebin.com/m7d803117 |
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| 15:21.48 | plagerism | themill, I got the diff.gz file and applied it, and yet still no debian directory |
| 15:21.56 | ranamalo | themill: I have cables in both and the 3com works fine, but I would like to get the davicom up and running |
| 15:22.07 | adb | ranamalo: well "mine" was built-in in mobo , an apple board , w/o pci slots, it worked but not very reliable |
| 15:22.45 | hulo | qq: any of you familiar with the printf command (bash) and what the following means? I can't find documentation for it: printf "%s\n" "0r $file" |
| 15:23.19 | ranamalo | adb: yeah this one is integraded, with like a card that plugs into the mobo |
| 15:23.20 | themill | plagerism: which version of the package? |
| 15:23.43 | themill | ranamalo: just checking.... it's amazing how many hours you can spend trying to resolve a problem like that. |
| 15:24.12 | ranamalo | themill: yeah I hear ya |
| 15:24.24 | plagerism | themill from experimental |
| 15:24.48 | plagerism | themill and now I want to use that to build a deb of 2.8.4 |
| 15:24.50 | themill | hulo: help printf -> man 1 printf -> man 3 printf. If you have $file=foobar, you'll get "0r foobar" on a line on its own without the quotes. |
| 15:25.02 | ranamalo | themill: according to pci id it works, what do you suggest? |
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| 15:25.12 | syockit | hulo: wikipedia has an entry on printf too, maybe you'd get the idea there as well |
| 15:26.01 | adb | ranamalo: use 3com/rtl cards , leave that card unused |
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| 15:26.58 | themill | plagerism: I have no idea how you applied that diff, but I presume you applied it incorrectly because it most definitely contains the debian/ dir. |
| 15:27.16 | plagerism | themill, yea probably |
| 15:27.32 | plagerism | gonna apply again with dpkg-source |
| 15:27.46 | themill | plagerism: the canonical way to do this is: dget -u http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/snort/snort_2.8.1-3.dsc |
| 15:27.51 | ranamalo | adb: but I have a bunch of these cards and I want to set up a ltsp class room to teach linux and free software with used equipment |
| 15:27.59 | themill | plagerism: or using apt-get source, or as you say, using dpkg-source. |
| 15:28.26 | plagerism | themill, thanks, and the way I did isnt listed there at all |
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| 15:29.04 | themill | plagerism: gunzip ; patch should work too... but life's too short when there are easier ways. (dget -u is often easiest) |
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| 15:29.31 | plagerism | themill, the issue is I dont want the version in experimental i want the newest version on snorts site |
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| 15:29.37 | plagerism | in a pretty little package |
| 15:30.15 | sylar | what happens if I put the /home on its own partition, and for some reason at some point that /home partition need manual intervention in order to mount? |
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| 15:31.05 | themill | plagerism: yeah, start with that debian package and then see if you can force the new source in to it. The debian diff has lots of files outside debian/ though, so you can't just blindly take debian/ only. |
| 15:31.31 | plagerism | actually with patch -p0 I was mostly able to apply the patch less a couple of chunks |
| 15:31.41 | themill | excellent. |
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| 15:32.04 | adb | ranamalo: well, i'll forget that 21x4x ... |
| 15:33.08 | valdyn | sylar: nothing unexpected happens |
| 15:33.29 | valdyn | sylar: well, you can still log in as user when that users $HOME is gone, maybe thats unexpected for you |
| 15:33.39 | ranamalo | adb: sorry I don't understand, what do you mean 21x4x? |
| 15:33.49 | sylar | k |
| 15:33.58 | valdyn | sylar: into console that is, X might behave very different before $HOME is available |
| 15:34.03 | drw | please help me with postfix and dovecot |
| 15:34.10 | adb | ranamalo: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1282:9102 |
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| 15:34.44 | sylar | valdyn, do you know what X will do? |
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| 15:38.16 | Honeyman | Hi. Any anyone tell me if a program exists, that would check that the files installed from some packages were not locally modified? |
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| 15:38.22 | Honeyman | Like, rootkit hunters... |
| 15:38.40 | path_ | rkhunter? |
| 15:39.04 | module000 | Honeyman: checksums are your answer |
| 15:39.25 | module000 | i'd rather hunt cougars than rootkits though |
| 15:39.54 | ranamalo | adb, themill, I got it to work: rmmod tulip, rmmod dmfe, modprobe dmfe, ifdown eth0, ifup eth0! |
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| 15:40.32 | ranamalo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.34 | adb | ranamalo: sweet ;) |
| 15:40.56 | ranamalo | adb: you should try it on your box! |
| 15:41.22 | ranamalo | adb: looks like it's a conflict of modules |
| 15:41.34 | adb | i see, thx |
| 15:41.42 | themill | ranamalo: ahh... I wondered if that was going to be what was required ;) |
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| 15:42.18 | davi | When will be the etch support discontinued? |
| 15:42.45 | lillis | 2010? I think |
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| 15:42.58 | davi | thanks lillis |
| 15:43.09 | lillis | that was a wild guess |
| 15:43.13 | lillis | but google it if you wanna be sure |
| 15:43.24 | davi | that is to say, when the next version be released? |
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| 15:43.29 | adb | davi: ~ 1 year after lenny release |
| 15:43.57 | davi | adb, So there is less than one year for the end? |
| 15:43.57 | Honeyman | path_: I don't see anything in rkhunter to check the checksums for a deb file... |
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| 15:44.11 | mosno | adb: so does debian have a minimum time between releases? |
| 15:44.16 | path_ | I misunderstood your question Honeyman :-) |
| 15:44.30 | Honeyman | module000: checksums are the answer - but how to check the checksums for the files in the deb package?... |
| 15:44.36 | adb | davi: maybe |
| 15:44.44 | davi | ok |
| 15:44.50 | adb | mosno: no |
| 15:44.56 | mosno | adb: ie. so we can say "support for Debian X+1 will cease no earlier than Y" |
| 15:44.56 | mosno | oh |
| 15:45.12 | valdyn | Honeyman: debian packages store checksums already, you just need to back those up to a safe place |
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| 15:46.14 | module000 | Honeyman: apt-get install debsums |
| 15:46.19 | Honeyman | valdyn: yes. But... if I have the package, and the filesystem, how can I validate the files on the FS against the checksums ... oh |
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| 15:46.36 | Honeyman | that may be it! |
| 15:47.39 | valdyn | Honeyman: not at all |
| 15:47.50 | valdyn | Honeyman: checksum program and checksums might be compromised |
| 15:48.15 | Honeyman | valdyn: I realize - but not in my, very specific, case. Thanks for hint though |
| 15:48.18 | valdyn | Honeyman: you *cannot* validate a running system from within that system |
| 15:48.21 | Honeyman | module000: thanks - that was it. |
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| 15:53.15 | kunal | hello everyone. |
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| 15:53.29 | kunal | i have a little question i need to ask regarding debian. |
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| 15:53.50 | kunal | how come when i type apt-get install hotway hotsmtp - i cant get anything on debian? |
| 15:54.07 | kunal | theres no package. is there a replacement on debian? |
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| 15:54.28 | PatrickBatman | !tell kunal about search |
| 15:54.38 | PatrickBatman | oh. that doesn't work anymore |
| 15:54.43 | kunal | so then? |
| 15:54.48 | PatrickBatman | it's been a long time :) |
| 15:54.55 | PatrickBatman | kunal: man apt-cache |
| 15:54.56 | kunal | what has replaced it? |
| 15:55.13 | kunal | hmmmmf |
| 15:55.14 | PatrickBatman | or aptitude search <keyword> |
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| 15:56.00 | kunal | so hotway is no longer valid? |
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| 15:57.33 | abrotman | PatrickBatman: the bot is on vacation |
| 15:58.00 | abrotman | kunal: what is hotway? there are tons of other smtp servers in debian |
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| 15:59.12 | kunal | abrotman, :its a pop3 server for hotmail |
| 15:59.34 | kunal | do we have anything similar? |
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| 16:02.52 | kombi_ | apache2.2 answers plaintext on port 443, ssl.load and .conf are both enabled, what am I missing? |
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| 16:04.25 | jelly | kombi_: a virtualhost definition using ssl? |
| 16:04.31 | ranamalo | adb: Perhaps you're an old hand at blacklisting, but I messed up in the first attempt. I tried to blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, but that didn't work. I found the solution here: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 16:04.36 | themill | kombi_: "SSLEngine On" |
| 16:04.58 | kombi_ | themill: THAT might be it...thanks! jelly: good one, but that is there.. |
| 16:05.07 | Wulf_ | Hello! I have xorg and icewm running. When I press a special key on my laptop's keyboard, icewm executes sensible-browser. Where exactly can I configure this and add actions to the other keys? |
| 16:05.38 | ranamalo | adb: now it boots up and grabs a dhcp ip no prob. |
| 16:05.39 | jelly | PatrickBatman: the bot is currently dead, "!tell foo about search" normally still works |
| 16:06.04 | PatrickBatman | aw :( I liked that bot |
| 16:06.04 | module000 | Wulf_: http://www.icewm.org/FAQ/IceWM-FAQ-4.html |
| 16:06.05 | adb | ranamalo: sweet |
| 16:06.25 | jelly | apt: search |
| 16:06.26 | apt | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg apt find <thing> if you're already here. |
| 16:06.38 | themill | PatrickBatman: blame abrotman! He killed poor little dpkg brutally and horribly earlier today. Mean abrotman! |
| 16:06.53 | jelly | apt: blame abrotman |
| 16:06.54 | apt | ACTION blames abrotman (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 16:07.23 | LoboX | olle |
| 16:07.32 | Wulf_ | module000: thanks |
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| 16:08.59 | kombi_ | themill: ;) |
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| 16:09.21 | Wulf_ | module000: works :) |
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| 16:10.00 | rizet | does anyone know of any good software which would allow me to back up whole partitions on Lenny? |
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| 16:10.56 | rizet | no raid though |
| 16:11.06 | adb | dd ? |
| 16:11.08 | cahoot | aptitude search backup? |
| 16:11.14 | lillis | tar... :D |
| 16:11.35 | rizet | cahoot: i'm asking for an opinion |
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| 16:12.05 | lillis | rizet: good software isn't the same as easy to use |
| 16:12.07 | lillis | which one do you want? (: |
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| 16:13.14 | rizet | lilis: it would be great to have easy and good program at the same time |
| 16:13.35 | rizet | so, optimal is my answer |
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| 16:14.39 | PatrickBatman | I like `date`. that's an easy and good program. |
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| 16:16.13 | rizet | PatrickBatman: does it have an option to create a bootable disk? |
| 16:17.03 | adb | rizet: it = ? |
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| 16:17.27 | sepult | ewwwwwww |
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| 16:18.01 | rizet | what I mean by that is in case of a disaster will I have an option to boot the system from a cd? |
| 16:18.25 | PatrickBatman | I was making a joke about a good program. date tells you the date. |
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| 16:18.43 | PatrickBatman | so no, date cannot create a bootable disk :) |
| 16:18.54 | enouf | optimal? Redmond OSes |
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| 16:20.10 | enouf | rizet: partman is one, backuppc is another, dirvish is another; then there's the tar, rsync, dd options |
| 16:20.29 | enouf | er partimage |
| 16:20.33 | adb | bootcd |
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| 16:20.46 | rizet | enouf: thanks! |
| 16:20.50 | enouf | and u4l |
| 16:21.05 | jelly | rizet: mondo/mindi are supposed to create bootable rescue media. You can probably use a simpler tool if you have a livecd to restore the data. |
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| 16:21.36 | enouf | adb: bootcd is mainly for generatinga livecd from installation, AFACT |
| 16:21.41 | PatrickBatman | IIRC netinst disk one has a shell on it, right? |
| 16:21.45 | rawr659 | having a major issue here on debian, http://pastebin.com/m1aae85 |
| 16:21.50 | rizet | enouf: i would like to have an option to recover the system from a computer on my network |
| 16:21.53 | jelly | PatrickBatman: it's not a very good rescue system. |
| 16:22.06 | PatrickBatman | ya, it's pretty minimal |
| 16:22.10 | jelly | in fact it's rather crappy. |
| 16:22.11 | enouf | PatrickBatman: even 'rescue' mode has a shell available |
| 16:22.14 | rawr659 | i get this message every time i try to add/remove a package with aptitude, and i can't uninstall/install anything at all with aptitude |
| 16:22.14 | sepult | hey |
| 16:22.16 | PatrickBatman | but it's got cp, mount and fsck :) |
| 16:22.22 | rizet | enouf: which program do you think would give me that option? |
| 16:22.27 | PatrickBatman | "to the rescue" |
| 16:22.36 | enouf | !rescue |
| 16:22.47 | adb | enouf: glad to see/heard you ;) |
| 16:22.48 | jelly | dpkg: are you still dead? |
| 16:22.52 | enouf | !dpkg still resting hon? |
| 16:23.20 | enouf | wanted to ask the 'dead' question, but it's inapropos |
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| 16:23.43 | rizet | jelly: mondo doesn't work on debian lenny |
| 16:23.55 | PatrickBatman | rawr659: aptitude -f install |
| 16:23.57 | sepult | i call that integral |
| 16:23.57 | rizet | jelly: i had it on squeeze |
| 16:24.21 | enouf | adb: my / is successfully transferred and booting nicely from a much newer HDD - thanks |
| 16:26.05 | rawr659 | patrickbatman: this does not fix the problem, exactly the same thing happens |
| 16:26.06 | adb | enouf: yw ;) |
| 16:26.14 | jelly | rizet: oh. Nothing else reasonably complete comes to mind. |
| 16:26.31 | adb | enouf: used ext4 ? |
| 16:27.23 | rawr659 | (Reading database ... 68379 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 16:27.29 | rawr659 | could i get in there and remove lm-sensors from it? |
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| 16:36.48 | enouf | adb: not yet |
| 16:36.59 | aleij | mingetty does the autologin, i added startx to my .bash_profile but X wont start.. it does manually running the command |
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| 16:37.07 | aleij | what could i be missing |
| 16:37.21 | enouf | adb: but.. i ditched ext |
| 16:37.25 | adb | enouf: as here |
| 16:37.38 | enouf | adb: er ..i ditched ext3 |
| 16:37.58 | enouf | stupid f;ken keyboard |
| 16:39.31 | enouf | adb: i'm using murdererfs (3.6) for / and all else |
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| 16:40.01 | adb | oh |
| 16:40.25 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.36 | enouf | er ... |
| 16:41.25 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:42.38 | enouf | output of df -hT | grep hdc1 |
| 16:42.48 | Shadow_Master | is there any way to check the integrity of an installed system? |
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| 16:43.15 | sepult | Shadow_Master: it was already asked and answered today |
| 16:43.18 | enouf | !debsuma |
| 16:43.22 | enouf | !debsums |
| 16:43.33 | Shadow_Master | as in: I got some .so files at /usr destroyed, so I was wondering if there was a tool that could detect what packages got affected |
| 16:43.33 | sepult | Shadow_Master: not if you check the integrity of that system from within that system |
| 16:43.47 | sepult | Shadow_Master: you have to use something externally |
| 16:43.49 | Shadow_Master | sepult: assuming I have my apt cache sane |
| 16:43.49 | enouf | oh ffs .. dondelelcaro must be really busy |
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| 16:44.14 | sepult | Shadow_Master: assume whatever you want |
| 16:44.33 | enouf | blames abrotman for seriously damaging dpkgBot |
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| 16:44.36 | adb | apt: debsums |
| 16:44.52 | sepult | Shadow_Master: maybe you should use a debian 5.0 cd for it |
| 16:45.21 | enouf | !8ball are you dead too? |
| 16:45.40 | jpinx-eeepc | when I got a torrent it arrived as a .gbi file along with a windows CD burner. Is there a debian application that will let me mount it as an .iso and copy out what I need? |
| 16:45.41 | johndoe | is there any linux utility that can monitor memory usage, much like time measures the time a program runs? |
| 16:45.45 | path_ | :< |
| 16:46.17 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: for windows issues, see ##windows :-) |
| 16:46.40 | path_ | thats a good channel |
| 16:46.41 | path_ | ;) |
| 16:46.44 | sepult | johndoe: mem ? |
| 16:46.48 | enouf | johndoe: tons |
| 16:46.49 | sepult | johndoe: free ? |
| 16:46.54 | johndoe | ? |
| 16:47.18 | johndoe | i need to see my programs max memory usage |
| 16:47.20 | davbook | 3 |
| 16:47.24 | davbook | sorry |
| 16:47.39 | enouf | top / htop johndoe |
| 16:47.47 | lillis | or memstat |
| 16:47.50 | johndoe | jpinx-eeepc: try iat |
| 16:48.02 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: this is a debian question - how to mount a .gbi file as an .iso |
| 16:48.04 | johndoe | but it runs for a very short time ~0.05s |
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| 16:48.59 | johndoe | wtf is dpkg |
| 16:49.07 | johndoe | *where tf is dpkg |
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| 16:49.55 | jpinx-eeepc | johndoe: thanks - trying that |
| 16:49.57 | lillis | /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 16:49.58 | lillis | ? |
| 16:50.43 | hanibana | hi friends :) . I have NOT find any solution for this problem: My tray area get messed frequently, especially when closing the minimized windows under it on another panel which causes the right-click context menu cover over it. I'm used to have both gnome panels at bottom of the screen. I'm using Debian Lenny. see here: http://i43.tinypic.com/29j33c.jpg |
| 16:51.40 | format_c | johndoe, pmap -x <pid> |
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| 16:51.53 | johndoe | format_c: haha cool :) |
| 16:51.54 | giles | heya deb heads |
| 16:52.05 | johndoe | but i guess i have to freeze the program at the peak usage.. |
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| 16:52.44 | giles | http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/ |
| 16:52.53 | giles | has basic auth on since a few days ago :( |
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| 16:56.14 | jpinx-eeepc | johndoe: you can tweak top |
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| 16:56.33 | johndoe | jpinx-eeepc: thanks, i decided to put it to sleep during examination |
| 16:56.46 | jelly | giles: does that directory exist at all any more? I don't see it in index. |
| 16:56.51 | johndoe | jpinx-eeepc: is iat working for you? |
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| 16:57.02 | giles | yerp it seems to have been removed.. |
| 16:57.24 | giles | http://archive.debian.org/README |
| 16:57.37 | jelly | yep, I see it's still mentioned |
| 16:57.41 | jpinx-eeepc | johndoe: it's running atm - we'll see if it can do .gbi's in a bit |
| 16:58.41 | giles | looking for a mirror |
| 16:59.21 | hanibana | any experience? :( |
| 17:00.11 | jelly | giles: is there a reason for you wanting access? |
| 17:00.23 | giles | we still have some sarge boxess |
| 17:00.43 | giles | and we still have to build some so they'll need the updates |
| 17:00.44 | jelly | giles: but the sarge archive already has the latest versions of packages |
| 17:00.53 | giles | oh i c |
| 17:01.01 | giles | no worries then |
| 17:01.59 | giles | ta jelly have a good weekend |
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| 17:02.20 | jelly | cheers |
| 17:03.20 | jpinx-eeepc | johndoe: iat doesn't appear to do .gbi images - and google is producing nothing |
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| 17:04.00 | johndoe | jpinx-eeepc: you said you got a program to burn the .gbi with it? |
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| 17:04.07 | johndoe | in the torrent |
| 17:04.15 | jpinx-eeepc | windows programme :( |
| 17:04.24 | johndoe | maybe the format is propriatory |
| 17:04.42 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - I'll need to find a more linux friendly torrent |
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| 17:05.07 | johndoe | if i was on linux id burn it to a virtual drive, thus getting an iso |
| 17:05.10 | johndoe | *windows |
| 17:05.27 | johndoe | tried wine? |
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| 17:05.43 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - that's my next shot ;) |
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| 17:08.48 | fignewman | I was postponing this as long as possible, but last night my hard drive failed and I ended up upgrading to the version of X that depends on HAL. Now my keyboard repeat rate is wrong, my scroll wheel isn't working, I've got some odd crashes sometimes when X starts up and there are grey splotches on wmbiff. |
| 17:09.10 | fignewman | anyway. I don't care about all that because I know I can eventually fix it, but I do want to know after changing a hal fdi file, how do I get it to reload? |
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| 17:12.21 | jpinx-eeepc | johndoe: wine did it - and there's a file extractor in the supplied .exe |
| 17:12.36 | jpinx-eeepc | johndoe: thanks for the pointers :) |
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| 17:12.52 | johndoe | jpinx-eeepc: lol :) |
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| 17:13.52 | cahoot | fignewman: restart /etc/init.d/hal? |
| 17:14.33 | cahoot | or simply force-reload? |
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| 17:15.20 | iwkse | hi all, anybody have experience with lenny and dc10+ zoran device? the device is created but xawtv shows a black screen, anyone use it? |
| 17:15.37 | fignewman | cahoot: ok. I wasn't sure if there was a way to just tell it to reload the config |
| 17:15.55 | fignewman | does X then pickup the new config from HAL automatically? |
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| 17:17.41 | fignewman | *sigh* doesn't look like it. I don't know why we had to add five more layers of abstraction and another set of impossible to edit xml config files. |
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| 17:18.15 | cahoot | fignewman: IIRC there's a file in /etc/default to put options into |
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| 17:19.47 | datacrusher | hi fellas, i need to share a cd iso image over samba. any clues? |
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| 17:20.32 | cahoot | fignewman: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 17:20.37 | fignewman | datacrusher: start samba. Put the iso image on a share. Done :) |
| 17:20.52 | fignewman | cahoot: thanks. |
| 17:21.05 | fignewman | cahoot: I knew there would be some good docs somewhere if I could just find a pointer to them |
| 17:21.06 | datacrusher | that would share the .iso file |
| 17:21.19 | datacrusher | i wanna map on the stations as it were the real cdrom |
| 17:21.35 | fignewman | datacrusher: so you want to mount the iso and then share the contents? |
| 17:21.45 | datacrusher | yeaa |
| 17:21.48 | datacrusher | :D |
| 17:22.12 | fignewman | datacrusher: I think samba follows mounts. Just mount the iso (mount -o loop,ro name_of_iso /some/dir/on/a/samba/share) |
| 17:22.15 | gravity | fignewman: The rationale for moving the kemap info is that now there's only one place to configure it for the entire system, rather than two |
| 17:22.31 | datacrusher | hm. ill give a try, thanks |
| 17:22.46 | datacrusher | must i worry if the server is rebooted? |
| 17:22.50 | datacrusher | to remount the iso and stuff |
| 17:22.55 | fignewman | gravity: I agree with the rationale. I was putting off the upgrade so other people could iron out the kinks first. I don't care for xml config files and I wish I could have done this upgrade more slowly without the aide of a drive failure. |
| 17:23.16 | rawr659 | http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/Repairing_apt-get_database#Removing_Badly_Broken_Package |
| 17:23.19 | fignewman | datacrusher: if you want it to mount automatically, you can put it in /etc/fstab. |
| 17:23.24 | rawr659 | fixed me issue with the broken package (second removal method) |
| 17:23.33 | datacrusher | nice |
| 17:23.42 | gravity | fignewman: You don't need to mess with it in the majority of cases if you just run dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 17:23.59 | gravity | fignewman: Although even then, console-setup should take the settings from your xorg.conf, if they're in there, and use them |
| 17:24.26 | gravity | fignewman: Also, /etc/default/console-setup isn't XML, it's just a shell script where you fill in variables to be sourced |
| 17:24.26 | fignewman | gravity: except it didn't work. My keyboard repeat rate is messed up (I liked the old default) and my scroll wheel isn't working. I'm not complaining; just asking for pointers on how to use the new stuff |
| 17:24.38 | fignewman | gravity: right, but the fdi files used by HAL _are_ xml |
| 17:25.30 | gravity | fignewman: Fair enough, if something didn't work please file a bug about it to xserver-xorg-input-evdev (we'll reassign it if necessary) |
| 17:25.40 | gravity | fignewman: Sure, but 99.9% of people shouldn't have to touch fdi files |
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| 17:26.33 | fignewman | gravity: fair enough. It's not working for me so I'm touching them. I also like to understand how much system works so I _want_ to know how to tweak these things. |
| 17:26.37 | gravity | If people are modifying fdi files to make things work (rather than just configure some preferences) it'd be nice to get those filed as bugs too, so we can ship the config in the packages |
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| 17:26.56 | gravity | So no one else with that hardware needs to configure the same thing. We're not in xorg.conf-land anymore |
| 17:27.08 | gravity | fignewman: Ok, that's fine. |
| 17:27.10 | themill | doesn't miss modelines |
| 17:27.30 | fignewman | gravity: once I figure out the fix, I'll see about getting a bug filed (assuming it's not user error) |
| 17:27.48 | gravity | fignewman: If it's broken on upgrade it's pretty much not user error by definition in your cases. |
| 17:28.08 | fignewman | gravity: it wasn't an upgrade. I had a drive failure and had to install from scratch. |
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| 17:28.22 | gravity | The only time it is user error (and even then, not really) is when custom mappings via xmodmap/xbindkeys need to be updated to the new keysyms. We can't solve that though. |
| 17:28.24 | fignewman | otherwise I would have put off the upgrade a lot longer |
| 17:28.37 | gravity | fignewman: Ok, then that's definitely a bug we'd like to see filed when you have time. |
| 17:28.39 | fignewman | yeah, I'm having problems with my xmodmap files. Did those change too? |
| 17:28.43 | gravity | Yes |
| 17:28.56 | gravity | They keysyms have been remapped. You need to reconfigure them. |
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| 17:29.05 | fignewman | I noticed it's complaining about not having colons in the xmodmap file and my caps lock is no longer my Mod4 key. |
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| 17:29.18 | gravity | fignewman: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/CurrentProblemsInUnstable |
| 17:29.57 | fignewman | I've been using linux for 14 years. I switched to it because I got tired of Windows abstracting my control away. I'm happy when things work out of the box, but I'm also an obsessive customizer. |
| 17:30.27 | gravity | It should still let you do both. Basically the changes push the implementation down in to the kernel for the most part |
| 17:30.38 | gravity | So the X server doesn't have to pretend to be an OS |
| 17:30.44 | fignewman | again, I'm not complaining. I'm just lost :) |
| 17:30.51 | fignewman | I don't know this new system at all |
| 17:30.55 | fignewman | I mastered the old one |
| 17:30.58 | gravity | Yeah, most people are. The Input Hotplug Guide should explain a fair amount |
| 17:31.09 | gravity | Patches for that happily accepted as well |
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| 17:31.38 | gravity | Also, there's a link at the bottom of it to Martin Krafft's document about using xkb to customize your keymap. It's really quite good. |
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| 17:32.04 | fignewman | great. I'll go help myself to some docs for a bit. |
| 17:32.06 | gravity | I'd like to have more documentation resources though. That page is still new and needs more work. |
| 17:32.52 | fignewman | Huh. Perhaps my crashes were caused by me having an xorg.conf file that forced XAA on an Intel board (Re: the known problems page) |
| 17:33.33 | fignewman | That would explain why an empty xorg.conf worked by my old one didn't. |
| 17:33.35 | gravity | Yeah, intel's accel stuff is a mess. EXA is worth a shot since it's easy. If that fails, go for a 2.6.29 or greater kernel and try UXA |
| 17:33.43 | gravity | Yes, it would |
| 17:33.49 | fignewman | I'm using 2.6.29. Does it default to UXA in that case? |
| 17:34.08 | gravity | No, you have to be explicit about it. If EXA is working for you, stick with it. It'll default to UXA soon enough. |
| 17:34.10 | fignewman | I don't need performance, I just want stability. |
| 17:34.15 | fignewman | ok |
| 17:34.31 | gravity | Unfortunately that can't be guaranteed with intel at the moment, although when it works it seems to work pretty well for people. |
| 17:34.47 | fignewman | ahh, I see that ctrl-alt-bs doesn't work any more. So many of my frustrations are known issues. |
| 17:34.49 | gravity | They're pushing hard for UXA, which should be the end of the line |
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| 17:34.59 | gravity | fignewman: That's a conscious flame-inducing decision by upstream. |
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| 17:35.16 | gravity | We're just following it in this case |
| 17:35.18 | fignewman | I almost never use it, but I needed it last night when I was running X as just 'X' to test it out |
| 17:35.23 | sylar | Q: I am preparing a lenny machine instead of an etch machine, while the etch machine still work, when I am done, can I just copy the /home of the old to the new? |
| 17:35.35 | gravity | nods |
| 17:35.41 | sylar | (I am doing it from a clone of the disk) |
| 17:35.49 | fignewman | slummer: yes |
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| 17:36.58 | fignewman | sylar: you may find some app configs and plugins and such could fail with different versions of the software, but otherwise it's perfectly fine to copy /home around. |
| 17:37.27 | fignewman | I meant syler on that "yes". irssi's completion seems to be working differently too. I must have missed a config file during my drive recovery. |
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| 17:38.12 | sylar | fignewman, do you think there is a way to keep just these confs? |
| 17:38.36 | sylar | fignewman, maybe keep the ~/.*? |
| 17:38.39 | fignewman | sylar: dunno. It's app sepcific. |
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| 17:39.14 | fignewman | sylar: that would get most of it. I think gnome (and kde?) also keep things in Desktop |
| 17:39.34 | sylar | hmm, I'll check that out |
| 17:40.00 | fignewman | sylar: there's no problem with copying the whole home directory. You could skip your mozilla cache if you want to keep things smaller. |
| 17:40.34 | fignewman | sylar: the rsync 'dir-merge' feature is great for setting up backups that exclude specific directories. |
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| 17:40.59 | Zharf | meh |
| 17:41.06 | sylar | fignewman, On my desktop there are no .* |
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| 17:41.31 | sylar | (well except for some vim .*.swp) |
| 17:41.35 | fignewman | sylar: I don't believe you. I've never seen a home directory without at least a few dot files |
| 17:41.40 | Zharf | I can't find xserver-xorg-video-intel version 2.6.something, I suspect 2.7.0 breaks this thing occasionally and 2.3.2 from lenny refuses to install on sid <.< |
| 17:42.07 | sylar | fignewman, I am talking about ~/Desktop/.* |
| 17:42.07 | fignewman | sylar: oh. You mean inside the Desktop directory? Don't listen to me on that. I don't use gnome so I'm the wrong person to tell you where it keeps its config |
| 17:42.21 | sylar | k |
| 17:42.34 | sylar | I think something like .gconf |
| 17:42.39 | sylar | on ~/ |
| 17:42.54 | Zharf | I think I meant to say squeeze, not lenny :o |
| 17:43.15 | sylar | squeeze sounds funny |
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| 17:44.59 | Zharf | any idea where I could find the 2.6? |
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| 17:47.39 | fignewman | Zharf: are you sure there was a 2.6? 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 was the last version I saw before 2:2.7.0-1 |
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| 17:48.27 | fignewman | oh. I see it in the changelog. I guess you're right. |
| 17:48.40 | gravity | Zharf: It may be in experimental |
| 17:49.00 | gravity | If so, it should install just fine in sid |
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| 17:49.38 | Zharf | gravity, why would experimental have 2.6 if sid has 2.7? |
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| 17:50.07 | fignewman | my damn mouse is using my scroll wheel for horizontal instead of vertical scrolling. |
| 17:50.16 | gravity | Zharf: Because those packages don't just go away once they're uploaded to unstable |
| 17:50.32 | gravity | Zharf: experimental doesn't actually migrate to unstable the way unstable does to testing. |
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| 17:50.41 | Zharf | okay |
| 17:50.48 | Zharf | how do i get my hands on experimental |
| 17:50.49 | gravity | Packages only get removed from the pool if they're not referenced by any dist. |
| 17:50.54 | gravity | Zharf: Just use packages.debian.org |
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| 17:51.51 | gravity | That said, you may want to just try another acceleration architecture |
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| 17:52.29 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
| 17:53.10 | nootoyahora | I woludk like to know if there is some way to "retrieve" the "new packages" that come up un dselect everytime that apt-get update is ran... |
| 17:53.29 | Zharf | gravity, like what |
| 17:53.42 | gravity | Zharf: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/CurrentProblemsInUnstable |
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| 17:56.48 | Zharf | mmh |
| 17:57.05 | Zharf | i'm not using XAA though |
| 17:57.12 | gravity | Then try UXA |
| 17:57.21 | gravity | EXA is good for some, totally broken for others |
| 17:57.22 | Zharf | that requires a newer kernel :< |
| 17:57.34 | gravity | Yeah, intel is putting people through the wringer |
| 17:57.48 | gravity | You could also downgrade your X stuff to what's in squeeze |
| 17:58.00 | Zharf | EXA has worked fine until i upgraded on monday, my system "freezes" when I play something with mplayer after resuming from suspend |
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| 17:58.11 | gravity | Oh, the video issue |
| 17:58.12 | Zharf | (it still responds, just the display doesn't get updated) |
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| 17:58.35 | Zharf | I suspect this has something to do with video driver |
| 17:58.44 | fignewman | gravity: I didn't see any docs on how to convert my xmodmap stuff to the new way. |
| 17:58.59 | gravity | fignewman: The bug report referenced explains what's going on |
| 17:59.13 | gravity | fignewman: It's just new keysym values that you need to get the same way you did previously, that's all |
| 17:59.32 | fignewman | oh. I was getting annoyed reading that because my scroll wheel isn't working so I was going to fix the scroll wheel first :) |
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| 18:00.12 | gravity | I'm surprised that's not working. Scroll wheel with evdev should be solid. |
| 18:01.05 | fignewman | it set it up to scroll horizontally. I can't figure out how to switch it back |
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| 18:01.28 | gravity | Do you have some configuration to set that up yourself? |
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| 18:01.38 | fignewman | is there any sort of validation done on the fdi files to make sure the options you set are actually meaningful? |
| 18:01.57 | fignewman | gravity: I didn't initially. I started adding one but it's not doing anything. |
| 18:02.44 | gravity | There shouldn't be anything in the fdi files about your mouse actually. That all comes from the kernel. |
| 18:02.57 | fignewman | I found http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/plain/config/x11-input.fdi. I'll read through it and see what I can do. |
| 18:03.14 | fignewman | I was expecting something similar to the old ZAxisMapping option from my xorg.conf |
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| 18:04.53 | gravity | That might still be honored, I'm not sure |
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| 18:06.13 | fignewman | lshal shows my settings are getting read in, but they're not changing anything. |
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| 18:07.17 | fignewman | my xmodmap issue was resolved pretty easily. It was a brainfart. I was using 'xrdb' instead of 'xmodmap' on the command line. I get confused by all the tools I used to tweak things |
| 18:07.58 | gravity | Aha |
| 18:08.03 | gravity | That's good then |
| 18:08.33 | fignewman | I'm going to try disabling my xmodmap and hal changes. It's possible I'm getting in the way of things Just Working(tm) |
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| 18:09.29 | fignewman | I was doing this in my xmodmap: pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5 8 9 10 11 If hal was expecting 4 5 instead of 6 7 for ZAxisMapping, then it's my fault it's not working. |
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| 18:09.52 | gravity | This isn't hal actually... but yes |
| 18:10.09 | gravity | hal is just an abstraction layer between the kernel and the X server. It doesn't make any decisions. |
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| 18:10.57 | gravity | It provides configuration info via the fdi files and whatever any client apps want to tell it (which is what console-setup does on init) but it's a dumb middle layer |
| 18:11.36 | fignewman | either way, I used to tweak both my xorg.conf and my xmodmap to work together. Perhaps I just need to let the defaults do their thing. |
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| 18:11.49 | Zharf | gravity, 2.6.29 fails even more :) |
| 18:11.50 | gravity | Good idea |
| 18:11.50 | Zharf | oh well |
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| 18:11.59 | gravity | Zharf: With UXA configured? |
| 18:12.03 | Zharf | I'll resume figuring this out later |
| 18:12.14 | Zharf | gravity, well that's not the problem really since it doesn't resume from suspend anymore |
| 18:12.15 | gravity | You have to enable UXA explicitly in your xorg.conf |
| 18:12.19 | gravity | Aha |
| 18:12.37 | Zharf | X started with UXA juts fine |
| 18:12.43 | gravity | Ok, that's good at least. So it's a suspend and resume thing. |
| 18:13.11 | Zharf | because it didn't resume, I couldn't test if the video issue was still there or not |
| 18:13.14 | Zharf | oh well |
| 18:14.17 | Zharf | oh by the way |
| 18:14.31 | Zharf | I couldn't find anything related to xserver-xorg-video-intel from experimental |
| 18:15.10 | gravity | Interesting, ok |
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| 18:16.47 | fignewman | still no scroll |
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| 18:22.04 | fignewman | xev shows my scroll wheel being buttons 6 and 7. xinput test 5 says they're 4 and 5. |
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| 18:23.58 | Ace2017_- | fignewman: have they been reassigned? |
| 18:24.12 | Ace2017_- | xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9" |
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| 18:25.55 | fignewman | ahh shit. The entire point of this test was to disable all my xmodmap changes. Turns out I had _two_ files that were reassigning the buttons. |
| 18:26.04 | fignewman | *sigh* too much cruft |
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| 18:26.27 | fignewman | Ace2017_-: thanks for the suggestion. I just assumed I wasn't reassigning them any more |
| 18:26.36 | fignewman | happy scrolling days are here again |
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| 18:27.23 | fignewman | now to fix the keyboard repeat rate to be like it used to be |
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| 18:30.23 | limx | hi all |
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| 18:36.40 | Thomaschaaf | Hey guys why does df -h give me 440G 63G 355G 16% / ? if I add 355 + 63 I don't get 440 |
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| 18:37.17 | scimmia | Hi guys. |
| 18:37.43 | scimmia | Anyone experienced a probelm with pulseaudio and snd-hda-intel?? |
| 18:37.48 | module000 | !ask |
| 18:37.58 | Thomaschaaf | !asdk |
| 18:37.59 | Thomaschaaf | !ask |
| 18:38.08 | Thomaschaaf | what does that do? |
| 18:38.11 | nkuttler | ~ask |
| 18:38.12 | apt | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 18:38.18 | scimmia | The pc is supposed to play music, but there is no sound |
| 18:38.28 | nkuttler | hm, i thought the bots were sync'ed? |
| 18:38.36 | Thomaschaaf | Hey guys why does df -h give me 440G 63G 355G 16% / ? if I add 355 + 63 I don't get 440 whats wrong with that question? |
| 18:38.39 | module000 | they were the other day.... |
| 18:38.41 | Thomaschaaf | why wouldn |
| 18:38.50 | Thomaschaaf | 't they add up to 440? |
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| 18:39.22 | scimmia | Thomaschaaf, there is a part reserved for root user |
| 18:39.33 | Thomaschaaf | 22 G? |
| 18:39.38 | scimmia | usually 5% if IRC |
| 18:39.40 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: what's with dpkg? |
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| 18:40.02 | module000 | he wasn't taking !keywords earlier also |
| 18:40.03 | scimmia | 440 * 5% =? 22 |
| 18:40.09 | Thomaschaaf | yep |
| 18:40.16 | Thomaschaaf | whats that used for? |
| 18:40.25 | scimmia | you can modify it with tune2fs |
| 18:40.49 | scimmia | it s reserved so if you run out of room you can log in with root and make some space |
| 18:41.06 | scimmia | or just install something if you need to recover the system |
| 18:41.23 | scimmia | it is supposed to be there in case of need |
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| 18:41.46 | Thomaschaaf | !man tune2fs |
| 18:41.52 | Thomaschaaf | ~man tune2fs |
| 18:41.52 | apt | No manual entry for tune2fs |
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| 18:42.59 | scimmia | Thomaschaaf, try on your console |
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| 18:44.34 | Thomaschaaf | scimmia: worked :) |
| 18:44.42 | scimmia | :-) |
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| 18:48.32 | greycat | Anyone who's bored can check what I wrote on http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Settingthespeedandduplex to make sure I didn't write anything too drastically stupid. |
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| 18:49.12 | Keph | hi |
| 18:49.18 | Keph | grub error 21 - any ideas as to what the cause might be? |
| 18:49.50 | xingu | nominates greycat to teach ifupdown about ethtool verbs |
| 18:49.55 | Keph | anyone? |
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| 18:50.24 | bogdomania | what version of grub? |
| 18:51.24 | greycat | Google says it means "selected disk does not exist" |
| 18:51.45 | bogdomania | Error 21 means "Can not find disk" |
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| 18:52.40 | bogdomania | Keph, how many hdd do you have? are you using also windows? |
| 18:52.53 | Keph | bogdomania, two, and yes. |
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| 18:53.00 | xingu | greycat: in your switch config, suggest you add switchport trunk native vlan <never_used_blackhole_vlan_id> and also switchport nonegotiate |
| 18:53.07 | bogdomania | where did you installed the boot sector? |
| 18:53.23 | greycat | The vlan stuff isn't mine -- just the speed/duplex stuff. |
| 18:53.31 | Keph | bogdomania, hd0 (also, this MIGHT be relevent, /boot is on an ext4 volume) |
| 18:53.40 | bogdomania | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/grub-error-21-338856/ |
| 18:53.42 | bogdomania | check this |
| 18:53.45 | xingu | greycat: oh, well it's still not good practice. |
| 18:53.56 | ranix | hey guys, how do I exclude directories and only see files when using ls? |
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| 18:54.15 | bogdomania | you know also that is recommended to have the boot on ext2 or 3 right? |
| 18:54.16 | greycat | ranix: you'll probably have to use find instead of ls |
| 18:54.21 | ranix | thanks greycat |
| 18:54.22 | fignewman | ranix: it's not using ls, but 'find . -maxdepth 1 -ls' would work |
| 18:54.29 | bogdomania | because ext4 is experimental,from what i know |
| 18:54.35 | fignewman | err, -type d on there too |
| 18:54.45 | fignewman | dammit. -type f |
| 18:54.46 | Keph | bogdomania, if I get error 21, does this mean grub accessed the menu.lst, or not? |
| 18:54.52 | Keph | I'm not clear on this |
| 18:54.52 | greycat | Keph: definitely, make /boot ext3 instead of ext4 |
| 18:55.06 | karim | hi |
| 18:55.12 | karim | I have a CFLAG line like this in a make file FLAGS ?= -Wall -fPIC -O3 -march=pentium -mmmx -fomit-frame-pointer -fexpensive-optimizations -funroll-loops . however this doesn't work on amd64 build, why ??? |
| 18:55.38 | karim | pentium isn't a sub arch of amd64 ? |
| 18:55.40 | greycat | probably because pentium isn't amd64 |
| 18:56.04 | karim | greycat: yes but what works on pentium works on amd64 |
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| 18:56.20 | karim | it's binary compatible isn't it ? |
| 18:56.34 | bogdomania | karim, pentium is a registered trademark of Intel.. AMD is something else :) |
| 18:56.36 | xingu | karim: you'd need to link it against an i386 libc |
| 18:56.46 | xingu | karim: ... etc. |
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| 18:56.52 | greycat | If you're on an amd64 OS instead of an i386 OS, then you would need a cross-compiling gcc to build i386 stuff. |
| 18:57.07 | xingu | karim: you could prove the point by compiling to assembler output only (.s file) |
| 18:57.08 | Keph | okay, I've found a patch to enable ext4 support for grub - what is the tool and syntax for patching? |
| 18:57.11 | karim | xingu: ok, so it fails only because there is no depencecy on i386 libc |
| 18:57.16 | karim | ? |
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| 18:57.26 | greycat | Keph: man patch |
| 18:57.26 | nkuttler | Keph: er, patch... |
| 18:57.43 | bogdomania | Keph, why,and i repeat myself,WHY do you need an ext4 fs for /boot ??? |
| 18:57.43 | babilen | hi all. i am building a .deb from source, how can i increase the version of that package? |
| 18:57.54 | karim | xingu: in debian/changelog |
| 18:58.04 | karim | babilen: in debian/changelog |
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| 18:58.48 | karim | babilen: add -mypackage1 or something at the end |
| 18:58.56 | valdyn | babilen: edit debian/changelog |
| 18:59.01 | Keph | bogdomania, to make the partition layout as simple as possible and not to make an over/undersized boot partition |
| 18:59.12 | babilen | karim: so whatever version is mentioned in the first line will determine the binary package version? |
| 18:59.13 | bogdomania | o_0 ?? |
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| 18:59.29 | greycat | bogdomania: I think he's saying /boot is part of / |
| 18:59.31 | Keph | ...while trying out ext4 at the same time |
| 18:59.43 | babilen | karim: exactly my plan :-) |
| 19:00.18 | valdyn | Keph: create a new /boot first to get play with or you might be in for a reinstall or alot of work anyway |
| 19:00.31 | bogdomania | if im not mistaking..it not recommended to use ext4 for /boot?!? |
| 19:00.38 | dihymo | does grub even understand ext4 |
| 19:00.42 | greycat | no |
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| 19:01.01 | valdyn | bogdomania: its not *possible* to use ext4 with /boot in debian |
| 19:01.26 | dihymo | using ext4 for boot is not simplicity |
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| 19:01.42 | bogdomania | valdyn, because of the kernel version>? |
| 19:01.45 | greycat | valdyn: Never underestimate the clever shortsightedness of Linux users. |
| 19:01.50 | dihymo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.52 | xingu | karim: aah, no, indeed you do need a cross compiler (exact error is "error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set") |
| 19:02.05 | greycat | /boot is a directory. It's not "part" of any software program. |
| 19:02.09 | valdyn | bogdomania: because grub cant read ext4 fs |
| 19:02.18 | dihymo | bogdomania no because your BOOT LOADER can't read |
| 19:02.21 | bogdomania | valdyn, you`re wrong |
| 19:02.22 | valdyn | bogdomania: im really simplifying this alot, its possible, you dont want to go that way |
| 19:02.33 | bogdomania | i dont |
| 19:02.35 | valdyn | bogdomania: nah, im not |
| 19:02.38 | bogdomania | but it is possible |
| 19:02.40 | bogdomania | :) |
| 19:02.53 | justin | i dunno about debian, but I boot off of ext4 on my laptop which has ubuntu on it... |
| 19:03.06 | valdyn | bogdomania: you can make the "ext4" fs behave like an "ext3" fs |
| 19:03.08 | bogdomania | if it`s possible on other distros,then is possible even in debian |
| 19:03.15 | valdyn | bogdomania: or you can use lilo |
| 19:03.32 | bogdomania | valdyn, i use grub with ext3 and im not gonna change |
| 19:03.34 | dihymo | actually you have to force ext4 to behave xt3 |
| 19:03.53 | dihymo | here's the thing |
| 19:03.54 | bogdomania | lilo is somehow deprecated |
| 19:04.03 | xingu | karim: adding -m32 to your CFLAGS will work _if_ you have the corresponding headers and libs for i386 arch. |
| 19:04.04 | karim | xingu: yes it's this error. so for a I386 package or a amd64 build what is the correct strategy ? Never using a -march ? |
| 19:04.30 | greycat | lilo doesn't offer some of grub's features, like editing the kernel command line |
| 19:04.34 | dihymo | bogdomania: /boot is part of the boot process it does not make your system simpler |
| 19:04.43 | greycat | but if lilo does what you need, you're free to keep using it |
| 19:04.56 | karim | xingu: ok, my goal in the end is to have it use the best optimisation for i386 and amd64 . I guess the best is to not choose anything right ? |
| 19:05.08 | dihymo | it's like if you change your tires that does not make your engine simpler |
| 19:05.19 | bogdomania | wo..hold up guys.. im not the one with problems.. i use grub as default from the dvd`s.. |
| 19:05.23 | bogdomania | :) |
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| 19:05.51 | xingu | karim: either that or test which arch you're building under. |
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| 19:06.01 | bogdomania | Keph, any luck? |
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| 19:06.34 | karim | xingu: my goal is to make packages and put them on some ppa. not necessary for my own cpu |
| 19:06.49 | karim | necessarily |
| 19:06.54 | greycat | karim: Then you should probably stick with -O2 |
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| 19:07.55 | karim | greycat: so on this line, what can I remove or keep ? FLAGS ?= -Wall -fPIC -O3 -march=pentium -mmmx -fomit-frame-pointer -fexpensive-optimizations -funroll-loops |
| 19:09.00 | greycat | karim: keep the -fPIC because that actually matters (it's not an optimization), and keep -Wall because that enables warning messages |
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| 19:09.16 | greycat | karim: other than that, the rest of those are optimization flags, and you can keep or drop whatever makes sense |
| 19:09.19 | Keph | bogdomania, nah, I decided to go with the 300mb /boot, after all |
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| 19:09.58 | Keph | I mean, I wanted to go with a smaller one, but a friend I'm doing this for was like "no, man, we need 300mb just in case", so what could I do, right? |
| 19:10.29 | karim | greycat: I don't know what -fomit-frame-pointer -fexpensive-optimizations -funroll-loops are doing |
| 19:10.34 | bogdomania | however,try also this link http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ |
| 19:10.40 | greycat | karim: man gcc |
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| 19:11.16 | boxxertrumps | hmm, somtimes when i leave my work unit on overnight, i come back in the morning to find the screen black and caps and number lock flashing |
| 19:11.33 | boxxertrumps | system is not responsive at all, what would be causing this? |
| 19:12.03 | dihymo | keph most kernels only take up 25 MB total (initrd, kernel, config incl.) |
| 19:12.31 | greycat | More than that in /lib/modules though... |
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| 19:12.59 | eroticon | which file runs at runlevel to give networking? |
| 19:13.05 | greycat | boxxertrumps: overheating motherboard? |
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| 19:13.30 | eroticon | which thing runs ifup or whatever its called to bring up eth0? |
| 19:13.35 | greycat | eroticon: ls /etc/rcS.d |
| 19:13.36 | Keph | dihymo, heh, thanks, I'll keep that in mind ;) |
| 19:13.49 | PatrickBatman | my thinkpad does that sometimes boxxertrumps. still an unknown problem to me |
| 19:13.49 | Manoj | hmm. my /lib/modules is empty, and I have no initrd, and my kernel takes up about 4MB |
| 19:13.58 | boxxertrumps | greycat: maybe, is that the only thing that would cause this behavior? |
| 19:14.03 | Manoj | boots faster, too |
| 19:14.12 | greycat | boxxertrumps: I could imagine lots of other possibilities :( |
| 19:14.14 | eroticon | there? |
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| 19:14.58 | eroticon | i cant find which one brings up eth0 in there, just found loopback |
| 19:15.27 | karim | greycat: it seems O2 already turns on omit-frame-pointer |
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| 19:16.47 | eroticon | hi? |
| 19:16.59 | greycat | eroticon: it'll be "ifup -a" probably. |
| 19:17.08 | eroticon | grep ifup * comes up with nothing |
| 19:17.14 | greycat | there won't be a specific "eth0" because you could have a very large number of eth*s |
| 19:17.18 | boxxertrumps | greycat: well, once i have time i'll start testing components, but this doesn't fail reliably so it might take a while to find the exact cause |
| 19:17.18 | karim | ok I will remove them all |
| 19:17.26 | karim | exept the ones you said |
| 19:17.37 | eroticon | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.50 | greycat | eroticon: you're doing it wrong, then. I come up with S18ifupdown-clean and S39ifupdown and S40networking |
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| 19:18.09 | eroticon | weird |
| 19:18.15 | greycat | eroticon: what Debian version? |
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| 19:18.28 | kdas | anyone know about clusters? |
| 19:19.47 | PatrickBatman | sure |
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| 19:21.01 | [4-tea-2] | Anybody know of a command-line tool to edit config files which isn't called "sed"? ;) |
| 19:21.07 | greycat | ed |
| 19:21.17 | greycat | vi |
| 19:21.30 | streuner | nano |
| 19:21.36 | dkr | emacs |
| 19:21.47 | [4-tea-2] | *sigh* I guess I have to explain better what I'm looking for. |
| 19:22.00 | dkr | perl -pi -e's/foo/bar/' file |
| 19:22.28 | [4-tea-2] | I'm looking for something like "editconfig --section foobar key=value" |
| 19:22.39 | dkr | .ini files? |
| 19:22.43 | greycat | most config files don't have "sections". |
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| 19:22.58 | [4-tea-2] | greycat: well, some do... Samba, MySQL etc. |
| 19:22.59 | greycat | they're just random collections of words and stuff according to the whims of whoever wrote the program that reads them |
| 19:23.26 | dkr | perl -pi -e's/key = .*$/key = bar/' file |
| 19:23.28 | greycat | perhaps you should be asking #mysql for a mysql-conf-specific tool |
| 19:23.37 | Keph | okay, turns out this was NOT a ext4 problem |
| 19:23.45 | [4-tea-2] | greycat: I'm aware there can't be a "one size fits all" solution, but it's hard to believe that there isn't a tool for those ini style files. |
| 19:23.49 | PatrickBatman | [4-tea-2]: vim works well for editing text files |
| 19:23.52 | [4-tea-2] | dkr: which would not add a new key |
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| 19:23.59 | Keph | I re-installed and still get an error 21 |
| 19:24.19 | greycat | keph: re-installed what? |
| 19:24.26 | [4-tea-2] | PatrickBatman: I have a lot of servers, so sed is my tool of choice now. I'm looking for something more... resistant to typos. ;) |
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| 19:24.48 | Keph | greycat, ubuntu. This was a fresh install, so no problem there |
| 19:24.49 | dkr | [4-tea-2]: so write a perl program with that option, :) |
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| 19:25.11 | [4-tea-2] | dkr: usually when I do, I find out later that it already existed. So I thought this time I'd ask first. |
| 19:25.14 | greycat | If ubuntu's installer is giving a grub installation that doesn't boot, I'd say you have a serious bug. |
| 19:25.18 | [4-tea-2] | .o( probably a bad idea ) |
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| 19:25.59 | dkr | [4-tea-2]: there is aperl module in cpan for editing .ini files |
| 19:26.05 | streuner | Keph: #ubuntu |
| 19:26.25 | [4-tea-2] | dkr: good to know, thanks |
| 19:26.30 | dkr | [4-tea-2]: so at least the section part is easy: http://search.cpan.org/~shlomif/Config-IniFiles-2.48/lib/Config/IniFiles.pm |
| 19:26.32 | Keph | streuner, there's nobody there that knows anything. Also, this is more of a general problem |
| 19:26.46 | greycat | I'd say it's rather specific to you, since nobody else is complaining about it. |
| 19:26.47 | Keph | I'd probably have that on any distro I'd install |
| 19:27.00 | streuner | Keph: we use Debian, and we dont know ubuntu's bugs |
| 19:27.21 | Keph | greycat, no, I mean in terms of linux distros. It's a grub thing, not STRICTLY an ubuntu thing |
| 19:27.34 | greycat | But the way it's configured is an Ubuntu thing. |
| 19:27.44 | greycat | Unless you're doing the configuration by hand, in which case it's a Keph bug. |
| 19:27.52 | PatrickBatman | [4-tea-2]: I've been working with custom Perl scripts to do parallel config deployments, though I'm working on setting up a Chef system to automate that. it's in development. |
| 19:28.10 | Keph | okay, quick question: does error 21 mean that GRUB even accessed the configuration, or not? |
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| 19:28.22 | dkr | don't bother arguing with newbuntus, they all say the same thing |
| 19:28.42 | nkuttler | Keph: see the grub manual, troubleshooting section |
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| 19:28.58 | Keph | dkr, did you add anything to the discussion just now? |
| 19:29.11 | [4-tea-2] | PatrickBatman: I use Debian's the config.d/ mechanism a lot, but especially those applications with .ini style config files hardly ever support it. |
| 19:29.18 | sirderigo_ | hello, can someone tell me please how i limit how much resources could a process use? |
| 19:29.21 | dkr | Keph: that was a rather hypocritical question, wasn't it? ;) |
| 19:29.29 | nkuttler | Keph: you should focus on your problem... and go to #ubuntu |
| 19:29.35 | streuner | Keph: we support Debian, please respect that |
| 19:29.43 | Keph | again, let me repeat what I said: |
| 19:29.46 | Keph | okay, quick question: does error 21 mean that GRUB even accessed the configuration, or not? |
| 19:29.54 | nkuttler | Keph: see the grub manual, troubleshooting section |
| 19:30.08 | PatrickBatman | I try not to interactively edit anything more than once, though I still do it sometimes. I try not to make that mistake too often. |
| 19:30.11 | Keph | if it didn't, then it's a grub problem. If it did - yes, I'll concede, it's a problem with ubuntu config |
| 19:30.12 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: nobody at home on #grub? |
| 19:30.28 | PatrickBatman | but yes, there is a Perl .ini parser |
| 19:30.28 | Keph | there is a #grub ? cool |
| 19:30.52 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.31 | Keph | okay, so, indeed, nobody home on #grub |
| 19:32.45 | dkr | [4-tea-2]: you also might want to consider using svn. edit and commit config changes locally and run a script to svn update all the remote systems |
| 19:33.01 | [4-tea-2] | PatrickBatman: either I drop configuration snippets in the *.d/ dir or I use sed, if the problem is too complex, cssh+vi. |
| 19:33.10 | streuner | Keph: have some patience :-) |
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| 19:33.59 | Keph | streuner, right, thing is I'm at work at the moment, it's late, I'd rather be anywhere else right now and I need to have this done |
| 19:34.00 | PatrickBatman | well there you go. sounds cool. |
| 19:34.11 | Keph | so, there's that |
| 19:34.19 | dkr | yeah, maybe eventually your someone will get tired of your attitude and look up the error number in the manual for you just to shut you up. :) |
| 19:34.29 | [4-tea-2] | dkr: yes, I do that, in this special case the config files are not uniform, each node has node-specific info and some global parameters that I need to change everywhere - mixed together in one .ini style config file. |
| 19:34.30 | Keph | dkr, here's hoping ;) |
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| 19:35.02 | dkr | [4-tea-2]: ah, cool |
| 19:35.14 | Keph | no, but seriously, the manual doesn't explain the CAUSES, just a vague definition of what the error symbolizes |
| 19:35.31 | Keph | and, as any good symbol, it can symbolize hell of a lot :P |
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| 19:35.47 | greycat | It the manual says "select disk was not found", then I'd say you should investigate your configuration to verify that you've specified the right disk. |
| 19:35.52 | greycat | selected* |
| 19:38.09 | Keph | greycat, I did on the grub setup part, let me check the menu.lst just in case |
| 19:38.09 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: I didn't actually follow your problem, but if it didn't find the disk, you might want to boot into the system with a rescue disk and try "grub-install --recheck /your/boot/device" |
| 19:38.43 | greycat | I doubt it's from menu.lst |
| 19:38.44 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: in that case your problem would not be in menu.lst, but in device.map. Just speculating. |
| 19:38.49 | greycat | It sounds like it's the (hd0) part. |
| 19:38.57 | greycat | But, I'm not a grub guru. |
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| 19:39.12 | Keph | [4-tea-2], okay, trying that, let me check |
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| 19:40.13 | Keph | "could not find a device for /boot: Not found or not a block device" |
| 19:40.32 | Keph | but it IS there, as evidenced by the partition being automounted by livecd |
| 19:41.04 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: /your/boot/device should be the path to your first hd, like /dev/sda, /dev/hda etc. |
| 19:41.20 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: the one containing the master boot record that grub is supposed to start from ;) |
| 19:41.31 | Keph | [4-tea-2], come on, don't start insulting me now ;) |
| 19:41.43 | Keph | grub-install --recheck /dev/sda |
| 19:41.45 | Keph | correct? |
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| 19:41.47 | greycat | Oh, if you only knew what we've seen.... |
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| 19:41.57 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: exactly. and THEN it complains about /boot? |
| 19:42.15 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: do you have /boot on a separate partition? |
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| 19:42.47 | Keph | [4-tea-2], yes, and yes |
| 19:42.59 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: ah, then: grub --recheck --root-directory=/boot/ /dev/sda |
| 19:43.50 | Keph | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.58 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: sorry, didn't mean to insult you, I haven't seen the message for a long time, since I stopped using partitions for boot because of the 1024 cyl restriction. ;) |
| 19:44.05 | greycat | /sda isn't a partition, so it would be the latter |
| 19:44.10 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: /sda would put grub in the MBR |
| 19:44.20 | [4-tea-2] | ...which is probably what you want |
| 19:44.29 | greycat | Oh, never mind, I misunderstood what you were saying. |
| 19:44.39 | Ace2017_- | hi all |
| 19:44.42 | Ace2017_- | dpkg --get-selections |
| 19:44.59 | Ace2017_- | is there a way to keep whats recommended and what isn't? |
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| 19:45.13 | Ace2017_- | how can i list all recommended packages? |
| 19:45.41 | Keph | [4-tea-2], no, I didn't really take it as an insult. Anyway, trying that again ;) |
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| 19:46.38 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: at boot time, the drive that is now sda is actually the first drive? Perhaps the machine has an unusual setup with multiple disk/raid/scsi controllers? |
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| 19:47.28 | toshiba510cdt | i am very happy with lenny on my ancient Pentium 133 MHz laptop but i consider i could speed things up a little bit by disabling some unneeded services? Question is do i need hal and dbus on my ancient laptop? |
| 19:47.30 | nkuttler | Ace2017_-: i think you'll need to script that, apt-cache show package |
| 19:47.55 | Keph | [4-tea-2], it's set as a master, first boot device, and there are no raids and scsis that I'm aware of ;) |
| 19:48.09 | Ace2017_- | wow |
| 19:48.09 | [4-tea-2] | toshiba510cdt: I think Gnome depends on dbus for it's hardware needs, possibly also on hal. |
| 19:48.15 | Ace2017_- | thats a lot of apt-cache show |
| 19:48.17 | Ace2017_- | s |
| 19:48.25 | Ace2017_- | ok i'll give it a go |
| 19:48.36 | [4-tea-2] | toshiba510cdt: ...hardware needs and inter-process communication and other important stuff ;) |
| 19:48.36 | Keph | anyway, the --root-directory parameter just makes it append, so the error is now about not finding "/boot/boot" - which is not unexpected ;) |
| 19:48.40 | toshiba510cdt | [4-tea-2], i do not run gnome on my ancient laptop |
| 19:49.00 | nkuttler | Ace2017_-: or pipe the installed packages to your package manager and use the correct options... if that is supported |
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| 19:49.18 | toshiba510cdt | what about dbus? shall i disable that service? |
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| 19:49.30 | [4-tea-2] | toshiba510cdt: dbus was what I was talking about. |
| 19:49.37 | nb9no9nr9 | aptitude is the preferred package mgr for plain debian stable--isnt it? |
| 19:49.42 | toshiba510cdt | ok, what about hal? |
| 19:50.02 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: if I remember correctly, when you put /boot on an own device, grub needs to find /boot/boot/grub |
| 19:50.14 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: ...because at boot time, that's actually /boot/grub ;) |
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| 19:50.30 | nkuttler | nb9no9nr9: afaik it's recommended, it was at least for etch |
| 19:50.48 | greycat | 4-tea-2: that sounds wrong.... |
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| 19:51.03 | [4-tea-2] | greycat: well, let me check one of my ancient boxes. |
| 19:51.07 | nick_h[litage] | is it possible to create hostname aliases without specifying an ip address? for example, i'd like to be able to ssh to "db1" rather than "cluster.mysql.example.com" |
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| 19:51.15 | AliG | Hi pals |
| 19:51.44 | petemc | nick_h[litage]: /etc/hosts |
| 19:51.45 | ranix | sup G |
| 19:51.46 | nkuttler | nick_h[litage]: man 5 hosts ? |
| 19:52.17 | Ace2017_- | nkuttler: i don't think synaptic has anything like that |
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| 19:52.25 | greycat | nick_h[litage]: you can alias them just for ssh, in ~/.ssh/config (see man ssh-config) |
| 19:52.30 | greycat | oops, man ssh_config |
| 19:52.31 | nkuttler | Ace2017_-: i wouldn't know |
| 19:52.32 | [4-tea-2] | greycat: yes, I remembered correctly. On those systems, the grub dir needs to be in /boot/boot/grub. |
| 19:52.40 | nick_h[litage] | nkuttler: i believe /etc/hosts requires ip addresses |
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| 19:52.48 | nick_h[litage] | greycat: ah yeah, that's right. thanks |
| 19:53.03 | [4-tea-2] | greycat: and, YES, it DOES sound wrong, in an ethical sense. |
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| 19:53.41 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: still there? |
| 19:53.52 | nkuttler | nick_h[litage]: fwiw, i simply use shell aliases for such stuff |
| 19:53.59 | Keph | yup |
| 19:54.38 | nb9no9nr9 | ok ty nkuttler |
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| 19:54.49 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: if you feel bold... cd /boot; mkdir boot; mv grub boot/; ln -s /boot/boot/grub |
| 19:55.17 | Keph | [4-tea-2], I thought of that, but grub-install still craps all over itself ;) |
| 19:55.20 | Keph | same error ;) |
| 19:55.20 | toshiba510cdt | netstat shows i am running PID 1364/portmap and PID 1375/rpc.statd . do i need them services on my ancient Pentium 133 laptop which is a standalone machine? if i do not, how can this newbie stop prevent them from running at boot time? |
| 19:55.53 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: well, then I don't know. Tried lilo yet? ;) |
| 19:56.06 | Keph | now that's desperate :P |
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| 19:56.50 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: what was your grub-install line again? |
| 19:57.25 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda - with /boot/boot/grub being a directory containing grub's files? |
| 19:57.52 | greycat | toshiba510cdt: well, rpc.statd is part of nfs-common, so if you aren't running nfs, you might consider removing that package |
| 19:58.18 | Keph | right, forgot the --root-directory bit, let me check this out ;) |
| 19:58.45 | toshiba510cdt | Using sysvconfig i disabled portmap and rebooted. upon rebooting netstat shows i am running PID 1364/portmap and PID 1375/rpc.statd . do i need them services on my ancient Pentium 133 laptop which is a standalone machine? if i do not, how can this newbie prevent them from running at boot time? |
| 19:59.02 | toshiba510cdt | i might run nfs in the future |
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| 19:59.09 | valdyn | toshiba510cdt: aptitude remove portmap |
| 19:59.20 | greycat | what is sysvconfig? |
| 19:59.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | can someone kick LuketMe |
| 19:59.32 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is a bot |
| 19:59.34 | greycat | toshiba510cdt: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:59.44 | streuner | !find sysvconfig |
| 19:59.53 | streuner | !listvals sysvconfig |
| 19:59.53 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: --root-directory not only prepends its argument to the path, it also tells grub to check what device the subdirectory is on (without, it assumes it's on the same device as / and will fail locating it). |
| 19:59.55 | toshiba510cdt | 5.0.1 |
| 19:59.56 | greycat | dpkg has been unresponsive for a long time now :( |
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| 20:00.04 | streuner | uh, i forgot |
| 20:00.09 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: ...at least that's how I understood it. |
| 20:00.19 | valdyn | judd: info sysvconfig |
| 20:00.20 | judd | valdyn: sysvconfig (admin): is optional; Version: 0.81; Size: 23.2k; Installed: 136k -- A text menu based utility for configuring init script links |
| 20:00.32 | Keph | okay, /dev/sda didn't work, trying /dev/sda3 now |
| 20:00.33 | greycat | sounds like it doesn't work very well. |
| 20:00.43 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: why not? |
| 20:00.55 | Keph | same error |
| 20:00.58 | greycat | either that, or having NFS enabled forces portmap to run |
| 20:01.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | whats wrong with the bot |
| 20:01.16 | nkuttler | ~hello |
| 20:01.17 | apt | Howdy Bub |
| 20:01.19 | toshiba510cdt | greycat, cat /etc/debian_version gives me 5.0.1, now what? |
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| 20:01.54 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: that's oh so weird. |
| 20:01.55 | greycat | toshiba510cdt: either "sysvconfig" doesn't work very well, or you used it wrong, or having NFS enabled requires portmap to run |
| 20:02.00 | Keph | ok, time for more radical solutions, like unplugging hdds |
| 20:02.04 | Keph | i KNOW! |
| 20:02.25 | XLV | LuketMe = onjoin spam |
| 20:02.27 | nkuttler | Keph: did you actually try the grub command line? it has fancy stuff like tab completion etc |
| 20:02.51 | Keph | nkuttler, I would if I could - unfortunately, the error doesn't let me |
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| 20:03.04 | nkuttler | you said error 21, didn't you? |
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| 20:03.10 | Keph | I did, yes |
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| 20:03.47 | kanon-mat | hello, how do i start xfce4? i have tried xfce4-session and startxfce4 |
| 20:04.04 | nkuttler | Keph: that's stage 2, which means you should be able to enter command line mode...... but iirc you're that ubuntu user, aren't you? |
| 20:04.16 | streuner | he is |
| 20:04.21 | Keph | okay, hello there. there's only one hdd in the bios. The guy I'm doing this for didn't mention anything like that |
| 20:04.26 | nkuttler | yeah, who know what they did.. |
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| 20:04.34 | Keph | huh, this might be the root of the problem |
| 20:05.57 | toshiba510cdt | ok, what about hal? do i need that service on my ancient Pentium 133 laptop which is a standalone machine? |
| 20:06.06 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: and there are more than one drives in the box? |
| 20:06.15 | greycat | Depends on what else you run on it. GNOME requires hal, I believe. |
| 20:06.15 | Keph | nkuttler, actually, it's stage 1.5 here |
| 20:06.20 | streuner | toshiba510cdt: not really |
| 20:06.24 | Keph | [4-tea-2], yes, two, actually |
| 20:06.28 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: that could explain why hd0 is not hd0 at boot time. |
| 20:06.37 | greycat | I personally wouldn't care to run GNOME on a p-133.... |
| 20:06.44 | toshiba510cdt | [4-tea-2], i do not run gnome on my ancient laptop |
| 20:06.48 | Keph | so what I want to do is set it up on hd1? |
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| 20:06.59 | streuner | greycat: wouldnt make much fun nowadays ;-) |
| 20:07.09 | ranix | I'm sorry, I can't do that hal |
| 20:07.14 | [4-tea-2] | toshiba510cdt: then disabling hal & dbus might be an option. |
| 20:07.14 | greycat | Then again, I don't run gnome even on more recent hardware.... |
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| 20:07.33 | toshiba510cdt | greycat , i do not run gnome on my ancient laptop, that would kill the poor thing |
| 20:07.49 | greycat | toshiba510cdt: the answer to all your questions is "Try It And See What Breaks" |
| 20:07.52 | nkuttler | Keph: #grub and more patience, or make yourself a grub cd or floppy or whatever |
| 20:07.56 | streuner | on a 133Mhz laptop i would run pure Debian, nothing else and not WM or DE ;-) |
| 20:08.01 | toshiba510cdt | i run a light window manager call icewm which is ok |
| 20:08.04 | streuner | s/not/no/ |
| 20:08.11 | streuner | sure |
| 20:08.12 | ranix | just use xdmcp |
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| 20:08.20 | PatrickBatman | my phone has more hardware than that laptop |
| 20:08.55 | streuner | toshiba510cdt: besides, what do you plan to do with this laptop? |
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| 20:09.26 | adb | mc v cv |
| 20:09.31 | toshiba510cdt | "Try It And See What Breaks" could cause problems a newbie would not be able to solve |
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| 20:09.37 | adb | oops, sorry |
| 20:09.46 | ranix | a newbie isn't running Debian on his p133 |
| 20:09.57 | greycat | Removing hal, dbus or portmap won't cause anything you can't fix. |
| 20:10.02 | ranix | where did you get that thing anyway? |
| 20:10.08 | ranix | 80 megs of ram is out of control |
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| 20:10.14 | ranix | that's a huge amount for that laptop |
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| 20:10.30 | streuner | argh, but dont make fun |
| 20:10.51 | toshiba510cdt | streuner, i use it to browse the web, listen to my music cds and other very light stuff |
| 20:11.23 | streuner | hm, next question what kind of browser do you think work with 80MB? |
| 20:11.32 | greycat | netscape 3.x |
| 20:11.33 | streuner | links or lynx |
| 20:11.34 | [4-tea-2] | Keph: next time you run grub-install, follow it up with "update-grub". If the hdd ordering changed, menu.lst should probably know about it. |
| 20:11.39 | streuner | greycat: haha |
| 20:11.41 | ranix | you could run dillo |
| 20:11.55 | greycat | links & dillo are reasonable, yes |
| 20:12.08 | ranix | links2 -g would probably be the most useable |
| 20:13.00 | toshiba510cdt | ranix, you might be right 80 MB could be too much for *my* ancient Pentium 133 Mhz laptop. it came with 16 Mb and could not find a 32mb memory chip so i used a 64mb instead |
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| 20:13.29 | greycat | I wouldn't even recommend using Lenny on that. |
| 20:13.35 | greycat | Maybe Woody. |
| 20:13.49 | ranix | nothing wrong with lenny |
| 20:13.49 | ranix | toshiba510cdt: is it actually using all that |
| 20:13.53 | ranix | cat /proc/meminfo? |
| 20:14.23 | toshiba510cdt | streuner, i use iceweasel 3.0.6-1 |
| 20:14.32 | streuner | oh god |
| 20:14.33 | greycat | dear god. |
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| 20:14.59 | greycat | iceweasel (firefox-bin) has a resident set size of 254M on my box |
| 20:15.03 | Keph | okay, going more radical, I'll disconnect one of the hdds |
| 20:15.06 | toshiba510cdt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.15 | greycat | toshiba510cdt: well, pick your nightmare. |
| 20:15.22 | streuner | needed to upgrade his laptop (500MB -> 2GB) in order to work with firecrap and stuff |
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| 20:16.00 | nkuttler | streuner: consider yourself lucky that you didn't need to replace more hardware |
| 20:16.04 | toshiba510cdt | iceweasel is slow on my ancient laptop so i find myself using dillo a lot more |
| 20:16.09 | ranix | my laptop is using 270something megs of ram and firefox works fine |
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| 20:16.26 | streuner | 500MB RAM (firecrap) is a nighmare without swap |
| 20:16.36 | fignewman | gravity: btw, it all turned out to be user error/misunderstanding. No bugs to file. |
| 20:16.39 | justin | streuner: what version of FF are you using? |
| 20:16.53 | streuner | justin: well, that was 3.x, IIRC |
| 20:17.05 | greycat | 512 MB RAM + iceweasel without swap was OK for what I was doing, but as soon as I tried to play a game at the same time, it thrashed. I added a swap file at that point. |
| 20:17.06 | justin | the 3.1 betas are a lot better |
| 20:17.29 | streuner | greycat: need that stuff with JAVA and flash and all the other crap... |
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| 20:18.01 | greycat | I don't have flash installed, and I'm not using any Java sites.. |
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| 20:18.43 | gravity | fignewman: What was wrong? |
| 20:19.00 | fignewman | I know it's not free, but opera had a good reputation for being fast and memory efficient. I haven't used it since 9.1. |
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| 20:19.19 | greycat | Didn't they free it at some point? |
| 20:19.29 | nkuttler | greycat: ad-free |
| 20:19.51 | streuner | yeah |
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| 20:20.26 | Keph | ok, brb, reboot to linux |
| 20:20.52 | fignewman | gravity: my xmodmap was conflicting with how the system expected the scrollwheel to be mapped. The crashing was me forcing it back to XAA. I haven't fixed the strange color blobs on wmbiff, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's an fvwm issue. fvwm doesn't keep up with X changes very well. |
| 20:21.03 | greycat | Their web site says "free of charge and ad-free since version 8.5" |
| 20:21.07 | greycat | I haven't verified this. |
| 20:21.17 | fignewman | sorry, I meant "it's not Free" |
| 20:21.20 | gravity | fignewman: Ok, that's good. I don't know why fvwm would be affected though. |
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| 20:22.24 | Ace2017_- | dpkg --list doesn't show if its recommended, what will? |
| 20:22.42 | greycat | Ace2017_-: have you tried aptitude yet? |
| 20:23.05 | fignewman | gravity: I see a bunch of XIO errors in my .xsession-errors file related to FvwmIconMan. I'll investigate those and then move onto the next suspect if that's not it. It's a minor visual issue so I'm not concerned. |
| 20:23.08 | Ace2017_- | apt-cache show works |
| 20:23.22 | Ace2017_- | greycat: nope |
| 20:23.55 | Ace2017_- | apt-cache show doesn't show recommended or installed |
| 20:24.09 | gravity | fignewman: Ok |
| 20:24.12 | greycat | apt-cache doesn't search installed packages; it searches available ones |
| 20:24.25 | greycat | so it doesn't know or care whether you've got something installed |
| 20:24.45 | fignewman | Ace2017_-: what are you trying to figure out? |
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| 20:24.53 | Ace2017_- | BINGO |
| 20:25.01 | Ace2017_- | aptitude why |
| 20:25.09 | Ace2017_- | fignewman: i'm removing recommended packages |
| 20:25.17 | fignewman | deborphan -n |
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| 20:25.55 | fignewman | or just deborphan -a --ignore-recommends |
| 20:26.13 | Ace2017_- | OH |
| 20:26.18 | Ace2017_- | that simple |
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| 20:26.47 | Ace2017_- | deborphan -n doesn't work |
| 20:27.05 | fignewman | it's a new feature. If you're not running sid, you might not have it. |
| 20:27.15 | Ace2017_- | i am running sid |
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| 20:27.47 | fignewman | define "doesn't work" then |
| 20:28.02 | Ace2017_- | doesn't list a package i installed specifically so that it shows up as recommended |
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| 20:28.44 | Ace2017_- | for i in `dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}'`; do aptitude why $i ; done|grep Recommends > recommended.txt |
| 20:28.48 | Ace2017_- | that works |
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| 20:29.41 | Ace2017_- | hang on |
| 20:29.47 | Ace2017_- | i added the > and its stopped working |
| 20:30.03 | greycat | it's probably just not done yet |
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| 20:30.44 | fignewman | Ace2017_-: use -a with -n |
| 20:31.19 | Ace2017_- | ok thats a LOT faster than my way |
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| 20:31.52 | martianlobster | I just installed mutella, but no host are listed, when I type hosts. How do I install a list of host? |
| 20:32.30 | Ace2017_- | hasn't that network been shutdown? |
| 20:32.50 | martianlobster | Ace2017_-: I don't know |
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| 20:33.29 | Ace2017_- | now i want to eat nutella :( |
| 20:33.48 | martianlobster | I am eating peanut butter and dark chocolate |
| 20:33.54 | Mani549 | hey guys |
| 20:34.18 | Ace2017_- | hi |
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| 20:35.15 | fignewman | Ace2017_-: it won't do exactly what you want. It tells you all the packages for which nothing depends (or recommends) them. |
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| 20:36.04 | Ace2017_- | i realised, i was hoping others wouldn't ;) |
| 20:36.29 | Ace2017_- | but it is strange that you can't get a file which has all this info to just grep and awk |
| 20:36.49 | greycat | there's /var/lib/dpkg/status if you're so inclined |
| 20:37.47 | simonrvn | greycat: O_O, in #d ? |
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| 20:37.58 | greycat | I was bored. |
| 20:38.06 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:38.15 | Ace2017_- | perfect, thats what i was after |
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| 20:39.21 | fignewman | there's a grep-status package that makes it easier to process that file |
| 20:39.30 | fignewman | err, tool, not package. |
| 20:39.43 | fignewman | it's part of dctrl-tools |
| 20:39.47 | greycat | I used it for http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds |
| 20:40.22 | streuner | ravenbird, ds |
| 20:40.45 | simonrvn | it's not in here |
| 20:40.52 | Sashi | quick question |
| 20:41.07 | Sh4wn | Hi, I have a debian VPS, and using the testing repositories. But, I do always want the latest version of the cherokee webserver, which is in the unstable repository |
| 20:41.07 | Sashi | how can i mount two harddrives into one big folder? |
| 20:41.13 | Sh4wn | So I set up my preferences: |
| 20:41.14 | streuner | simonrvn: hm, i dont have luck with bots today :-( |
| 20:41.14 | Sh4wn | http://pastebin.com/d632ca27c |
| 20:41.15 | Sashi | err one big hardrive |
| 20:41.18 | Sh4wn | and sources.list |
| 20:41.21 | fignewman | greycat: have you seen dpigs from debian-goodies? |
| 20:41.21 | Sh4wn | but now |
| 20:41.26 | Sh4wn | when I want to upgrade |
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| 20:41.32 | Sh4wn | it sais the following: |
| 20:41.38 | greycat | Sashi: md or LVM probably |
| 20:41.44 | jpinx-eeepc | !pal abrotman |
| 20:41.45 | greycat | fignewman: nope |
| 20:41.56 | jpinx-eeepc | :-/ |
| 20:41.56 | Sashi | gravity: i dont want to format tho |
| 20:41.56 | Sh4wn | touch: setting times of `/var/log/dpkg.log': Bad address |
| 20:41.58 | Sashi | err |
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| 20:42.00 | Sashi | greycat* |
| 20:42.01 | fignewman | greycat: I think it does the same thing as your ds |
| 20:42.09 | Sh4wn | what it the problem? |
| 20:42.28 | feitingen | is there a linux benchmark for measuring file system speed on different disks/flash devices? |
| 20:42.43 | fignewman | feitingen: bonnie? |
| 20:42.48 | greycat | fignewman: hmm, it's like mine pipes to head. |
| 20:42.51 | greycat | piped* |
| 20:42.56 | feitingen | the last time i asked that i got a shitstorm about benchmarks being bad |
| 20:42.59 | greycat | Also with the columns swithced. |
| 20:43.02 | greycat | Also I can't type. |
| 20:43.15 | simonrvn | feitingen: *shitstorm* |
| 20:43.21 | fignewman | greycat: you can pass it -n if you want more lines |
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| 20:43.32 | simonrvn | tries not to visualize that.... |
| 20:43.33 | feitingen | aww :( not the shitstorm again |
| 20:44.15 | simonrvn | that would be like one of those machines on farms that stack up manure into these large piles.... |
| 20:44.18 | kanon-mat | dd or hdparm are benchmarks? |
| 20:44.26 | fignewman | benchmarks are like statistics. They're only bad when you misrepresent the results. |
| 20:44.26 | simonrvn | no |
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| 20:44.37 | dkr | kanon-mat: bonnie++ |
| 20:44.53 | Pa0l0 | salve a tutti qualcuno parla italiano ? |
| 20:44.56 | Sh4wn | anyone knows what my problem is? |
| 20:44.59 | simonrvn | !it |
| 20:45.03 | greycat | no bots :( |
| 20:45.09 | feitingen | fignewman: my argument is that you have unnamed disks/flash devices connected to the same system and want to decide where to put the swap partition. |
| 20:45.10 | jpinx-eeepc | pokes dpkg |
| 20:45.15 | streuner | paw: try #debian-it |
| 20:45.18 | simonrvn | Pa0l0: #debian-it |
| 20:45.19 | dkr | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:45.30 | fignewman | feitingen: put more ram in the system and stop caring about where to put swap ;p |
| 20:45.52 | streuner | Pa0l0: or just talk english |
| 20:46.00 | feitingen | fignewman: i cant easily put more ram into my cell phone (which runs debian) ;) |
| 20:46.23 | KavanS | omg what phone? |
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| 20:47.19 | simonrvn | blah |
| 20:47.26 | simonrvn | trigger is & |
| 20:47.27 | streuner | ravenbird, ds |
| 20:47.28 | ravenbird | no idea, streuner |
| 20:47.33 | Sh4wn | I have debian testing, and want the cherokee package from unstable, So I set up my /etc/apt/preferences and sources.list: http://pastebin.com/d632ca27c apt-get update and apt-upgrade, but it can't upgrade: it sais touch: setting times of `/var/log/dpkg.log': Bad address |
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| 20:48.07 | streuner | ravenbird, stats |
| 20:48.08 | ravenbird | Since Sat Apr 18 04:55:02 2009, there have been 0 modifications, 7 questions, 1 dunno, 0 morons and 5 commands. I have been awake for 6d 15h 53m 6s this session, and currently reference 20919 factoids. I'm using about 37164 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 295.07/43.85 child 0/0 |
| 20:48.30 | streuner | How many factoids? |
| 20:48.35 | simonrvn | Sh4wn: first, "says"; second, what's the perms/ownership on the log file? |
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| 20:48.40 | simonrvn | 20919 |
| 20:48.55 | streuner | oh, iam blind today too :-) |
| 20:48.57 | Pa0l0 | I answered no one in debian.it |
| 20:48.57 | Pa0l0 | wonder if any of you can help me thanks |
| 20:49.08 | simonrvn | Pa0l0: #debian-it |
| 20:49.14 | simonrvn | &it |
| 20:49.15 | ravenbird | "It" is a clown that eats children but turns out to be a spider sorta thing. |
| 20:49.24 | simonrvn | ... |
| 20:49.27 | streuner | lol |
| 20:49.28 | Sh4wn | I'll check simonrvn |
| 20:49.35 | simonrvn | wtf. who fucked with that? |
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| 20:49.41 | simonrvn | &factinfo it |
| 20:49.42 | ravenbird | it -- created by sussudio <Suss@d511322d.cable.wanadoo.nl> at Sat Dec 21 00:34:43 2002 (2316 days); it has been requested 10 times, last by simonrvn, 27s ago. |
| 20:50.23 | Sh4wn | simonrvn: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 308 Apr 24 23:30 dpkg.log |
| 20:50.35 | simonrvn | meh, i guess that's the old one... |
| 20:50.58 | simonrvn | Sh4wn: sounds like a bug. check out bugs.debian.org/dpkg |
| 20:51.11 | Sh4wn | hmm k |
| 20:51.13 | feitingen | KavanS: openmoko freerunner |
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| 20:51.42 | simonrvn | &no it is <reply>Ciao, vai su #debian-it @ irc.freenode.net per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it on irc.freenode.net, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:51.43 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
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| 20:53.03 | eshaase | has anyone reported anything about lenny's ice weasel being slow as hell? |
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| 20:53.37 | bogdomania | eshaase, iceweasel works fine :) |
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| 20:53.49 | dkr | hell is hot and therefore has higher molecular movement and vibration so it is consequently faster than generally believed |
| 20:54.08 | feitingen | eshaase: haha i messed too much with X, so i use lynx now |
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| 20:54.16 | at0m|c | eshaase: check add-ons, proxy settings,.. |
| 20:54.29 | eshaase | at0m|c: oh, its the default settings |
| 20:54.31 | dkr | network |
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| 20:54.36 | eshaase | at0m|c: cleanly installed system |
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| 20:54.48 | dkr | compare to epiphany to rule out other factors |
| 20:54.53 | simonrvn | dkr: depends what cultural background ;). |
| 20:55.53 | eshaase | fonts are all funky too |
| 20:56.29 | dkr | loading japanese pages? that can be slow due to font rendering stuff |
| 20:56.40 | eshaase | epiphany is simliar but not as bad |
| 20:57.12 | eshaase | heres an example, i'm on facebook leaving a message for a friend and i type faster than the text appears, apparently entering text into this box uses 50% cpu |
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| 20:57.55 | roe | I'm trying to add, manually, an entry to GRUB. I have a second HD that is bootable and would like it to be an option |
| 20:58.11 | roe | not sure how to identify what HD number |
| 20:58.41 | simonrvn | eshaase: has it been running a while, that browser instance? facebook is also script heavy.... |
| 20:58.53 | eshaase | simonrvn: i just rebooted |
| 20:59.09 | eshaase | simonrvn: was running etch + firefox 2.0 prior and everything was fine |
| 20:59.32 | simonrvn | ff 2 on facebook is a bad idea, imo |
| 20:59.42 | eshaase | simonrvn: kinda lags when it has to redraw the window after i alt-tab to it too |
| 20:59.57 | eshaase | simonrvn: not sure if thats related |
| 21:01.46 | ray66 | Looking for a descent ad blocker for lenny |
| 21:01.54 | martian67 | how can i use iptables to convert an outgoing ipv4 connection to ipv6? |
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| 21:02.59 | simonrvn | martian67: use a 6-in-4 tunnel. you can't do that with iptables. |
| 21:03.27 | simonrvn | wrong thing to look at to do such a thing. |
| 21:03.35 | martian67 | any details on that? |
| 21:03.53 | simonrvn | google does |
| 21:04.12 | martian67 | also |
| 21:04.21 | martian67 | that does not do what i want to do |
| 21:04.38 | martian67 | indeed has nothing to do at all with what i asked |
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| 21:06.22 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:06.31 | streuner | ops |
| 21:06.57 | dkr | martian67: "you can't do that with iptables" is not related to "hoe do i use iptables to do foo"? |
| 21:07.25 | simonrvn | martian67: it does. it's just not the answer you wanted handed to you. |
| 21:07.36 | martian67 | simonrvn, no, actually it dosent |
| 21:07.45 | martian67 | are you even aware what 6to4 is? |
| 21:07.59 | martian67 | perhaps you should google |
| 21:08.03 | simonrvn | 17:01 < martian67> how can i use iptables to convert an outgoing ipv4 connection to ipv6? |
| 21:08.12 | simonrvn | you can't. simple. |
| 21:08.17 | martian67 | bs |
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| 21:08.35 | simonrvn | prove it. you asked, proved me wrong. |
| 21:08.39 | simonrvn | prove* |
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| 21:09.10 | dkr | gotta love the asshole approach to getting help. apparently it works for some people in real life? |
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| 21:10.29 | martian67 | got to love people that dont actually help |
| 21:10.35 | martian67 | but are instead smug and useless |
| 21:10.36 | simonrvn | they get the same trement IRL that they get here, from me. they get ignored. |
| 21:10.44 | simonrvn | treat* |
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| 21:11.35 | dkr | maybe it's because the asshole approach works with women sometimes. ;) |
| 21:11.49 | dkr | so they think they can get away with it anywhere. :) |
| 21:12.11 | intx | anyone know how I can install ubuntu onto debian? |
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| 21:12.20 | dkr | hehe |
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| 21:14.05 | dkr | intx: if that wasn't a joke you'll probably need to clarify your question |
| 21:14.21 | intx | i'm trying to install ubuntu directly onto the hard drive itself from the internet |
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| 21:14.34 | intx | from a live-cd running debian |
| 21:14.35 | simonrvn | intx: maybe you should lay off the pot? :P |
| 21:15.03 | dondelelcaro | intx: uh... why not use ubuntu's install cd? and you really should ask this sort of question in #ubuntu |
| 21:15.34 | intx | dondelelcaro: but no one in #ubuntu seems to know how :p |
| 21:15.42 | kanon-mat | isnt there a xkcd blogpost where he wrecks his system mixing ubu and debian |
| 21:15.44 | jelly-home | !they don't know |
| 21:15.44 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 21:15.47 | intx | debian tends to have a smarter community.. sorry for being bias :) |
| 21:15.54 | intx | i tried google |
| 21:15.57 | kanon-mat | !xfce4 |
| 21:15.57 | dpkg | Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:16.07 | intx | if someone told me what to search for on google that'd help a lot |
| 21:16.12 | dondelelcaro | intx: well, that may be, but if you need support for Ubuntu, that's who you have to talk to. If we wanted to support it, we'd be there too |
| 21:16.28 | intx | ok |
| 21:16.29 | jelly-home | intx: we can tell you about the ways debian can do it, but it doesn't mean those ways are correct or optimal of ubuntu |
| 21:16.30 | kanon-mat | is the 'buntuforums down? |
| 21:16.35 | jelly-home | for* ubuntu |
| 21:17.08 | intx | okay thanks |
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| 21:26.29 | joeyjones | are there any better instructions for installing debian with a usb drive? |
| 21:27.21 | Maxt3r | Can i restore data i have deleted by rm -r ? |
| 21:27.33 | streuner | no |
| 21:27.41 | Maxt3r | streuner: damnit |
| 21:28.04 | streuner | !undelete |
| 21:28.04 | dpkg | Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" from menu. For ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and ask about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 21:28.38 | streuner | but in most cases you are out of luck |
| 21:30.02 | streuner | joeyjones: did you look at the ig (install-guide) yet? |
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| 21:30.10 | streuner | !ig |
| 21:30.10 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <installer firmware>. |
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| 21:30.24 | smacnay | This locale is French (France) correct? -> fr_FR.UTF-8 |
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| 21:30.42 | smacnay | For some reason, I see "Turkish" in some of my language selection dialogues. |
| 21:31.04 | yitz_ | What debian-multimedia package do I need for mplayer to play mpeg4? It complains: Cannot find codec 'mpeg4' in libavcodec... |
| 21:31.10 | Sh4wn | ok the "touch: setting times of `random file': Bad address is definitely a bug |
| 21:31.25 | Sh4wn | just rebuild my VPS, clean debian 4.0 install |
| 21:31.37 | Sh4wn | sources.list update to testing release |
| 21:31.41 | Sh4wn | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:31.46 | Sh4wn | -> error |
| 21:32.12 | streuner | you surely need essential package of mplayer's website or look at debian-multimedia.org for the package as deb |
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| 21:40.26 | arinko_ | wonders if I'd get help faster from #debian or #windows for an MSOS problem. |
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| 21:41.27 | arinko_ | Which consists of it never passing the first stage of installation. (refuses to boot off the hard drive, refuses to continue the install it started when booted off the CD.) |
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| 21:43.09 | melik | can anyone take a look at my bind config and tell me if there is anything wrong with it: http://omploader.org/vMWtvbg/pasta |
| 21:43.22 | melik | because it doesnt work |
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| 21:47.58 | At0x0 | When attempting to format a USB drive using GParted, I can't select fat32 from the list of filesystems when formatting unpartitioned space. Do I need some extra software/libs to make a fat32 partitioned drive? |
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| 21:48.38 | dkr | At0x0: use vfat? |
| 21:48.58 | adb | dosfstools - utilities for making and checking MS-DOS FAT filesystems |
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| 21:49.20 | At0x0 | dkr, The only options it lets me use are ext2/3 and linux swap. |
| 21:50.17 | intx | wth is xfsdatad |
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| 21:54.18 | intx | it won't let go of my partition |
| 21:54.21 | intx | which shouldn't be in use |
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| 21:57.38 | endy | haro haro |
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| 22:01.36 | endy | looking for some help here, i have a problem with my nic configuration, when i turn on my puter with no network cable plug to the nic, there is a message saying link is not ready, and when i plug a network cable to it, it still says the same thing. and when i turn on my puter with a cable plug to the nic there is no problem at all, anyone knows why this happens? |
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| 22:09.20 | nkuttler | endy: i guess you use a static nic config? |
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| 22:09.48 | nkuttler | endy: anyway, ifdown && ifup |
| 22:09.54 | gw | hey, how do u get the build in /lib/modules? |
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| 22:10.35 | nkuttler | gw: debian kernel or your own? |
| 22:10.41 | gw | debian kernel |
| 22:10.53 | gw | i am guessing grab the source |
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| 22:11.18 | nkuttler | gw: installing the corresponding linux-header packages should fix your issues. |
| 22:11.26 | ududex | Hi guys, anyone able to tell me how to make my laptop use my external usb adapter, rather than the internal wireless card? |
| 22:11.40 | endy | yes, i do nkuttler |
| 22:11.56 | gw | thanks a lot |
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| 22:13.05 | endy | nkutler: i have tried ifup and ifdown, networking stop / start / restart, ifconfig eth1 up/down, discover <-- just in case, and nothing works |
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| 22:15.35 | nkuttler | !tell endy about errors |
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| 22:16.54 | endy | sorry, the error is as follows: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready |
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| 22:18.38 | nkuttler | endy: can you ifconfig eth1 up? long time i haven't dealt with such errors.. |
| 22:19.06 | nkuttler | endy: and check /var/log/messages and dmesg |
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| 22:19.56 | libertad0 | Hellow |
| 22:19.57 | libertad0 | I wan't to send spam in my self company. Some idea? |
| 22:20.05 | endy | nkuttler, the commands i have been using while trying to fix this problem are: 1.- networking restart then tried to ping my gw 192.168.0.1, but didnt work, so ... 2.- networking stop 3.- networking start then try to ping again my gw, but still didnt work, so.... 4.- ifdown eth1 ifup eth1 but ping still didnt respond ... 5.- ifconfig eth1 down ifconfig eth1 up still didnt work |
| 22:20.16 | nkuttler | libertad0: i think spamassassin has some spam test mails packaged |
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| 22:21.14 | nkuttler | endy: paste your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:21.43 | libertad0 | nkuttler: I have a intelligence spam |
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| 22:21.52 | libertad0 | nkuttler: I can't stop it |
| 22:21.54 | nkuttler | libertad0: ? |
| 22:21.59 | jintxo | endy, I don't know if this has anything to do, but I was looking at a /etc/network/interfaces file the other day and noticed a line "allow-hotplug eth0" instead of "auto eth0". I don't know what it does, but sounds worth a look. but ifdown and ifup should do it if it's just a "link down" thing, really |
| 22:22.05 | libertad0 | nkuttler: How It's sending spam inner my company? |
| 22:22.29 | sepult | libertad0: ask your local syndication company! |
| 22:22.34 | sepult | lol |
| 22:22.35 | nkuttler | libertad0: i'm not sure i get what you're saying... are you receiving spam from inside your own network? |
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| 22:22.47 | libertad0 | nkuttler: inside and outside |
| 22:22.54 | libertad0 | nkuttler: I can't stop it |
| 22:23.01 | sepult | libertad0: did you fire someone lately ? |
| 22:23.08 | sepult | waaahhahh |
| 22:23.09 | libertad0 | I need to know how It's sending |
| 22:23.18 | libertad0 | sepult: yes |
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| 22:24.03 | sepult | libertad0: your coworkers must love you then |
| 22:24.07 | nkuttler | libertad0: checking the mail headers is a start... should give you some clue about the closest smtpd at least |
| 22:24.10 | sepult | lol |
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| 22:24.20 | libertad0 | :º |
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| 22:24.35 | endy | nkuttler, i am using a laptop next to the puter with the problem, but i will type everything here:#This file describes blah blah blah # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback #The primary network interface allow-hotplug eth1 iface eth1 inet static address 192.168.0.80 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 auto eth1 |
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| 22:24.49 | nkuttler | !tell endy about paste |
| 22:24.49 | libertad0 | nkuttler: The header is from a gmail account |
| 22:24.56 | libertad0 | Maked dynamictly |
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| 22:25.31 | nkuttler | libertad0: do you have spamassassin or something similar installed? |
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| 22:25.34 | sepult | libertad0: the easiest way would be to accuse google then |
| 22:25.38 | sepult | lol |
| 22:25.43 | libertad0 | nkuttler: yes |
| 22:26.15 | nkuttler | libertad0: then i guess it's train spamd or add some custom rules, depending on headers/content/whatever |
| 22:26.51 | davidisko | guys, i got 22x1T 7200rpm samsungs in raid5 (256kb strip) on 3ware 9650se with bbu cache and getting really low read speeds... write (540MB/s (cause of wcache enabled)) but read only 70MB/s+. Any ideas? |
| 22:27.22 | davidisko | *70 correcting to 50 |
| 22:27.59 | sepult | davidisko: get your hammer ready |
| 22:28.07 | sepult | lol |
| 22:28.11 | davidisko | sepult: why? |
| 22:28.22 | sepult | davidisko: for the solution |
| 22:28.36 | davidisko | sepult: there's no other way? |
| 22:28.41 | sepult | lol |
| 22:28.48 | sepult | davidisko: i didn't say that |
| 22:30.41 | b52laptop | anybody got a an intel wifi link 500 |
| 22:30.42 | b52laptop | ? |
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| 22:36.35 | sylar | is 64bit xen part of lenny? |
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| 22:37.01 | endy | nkuttler: did you read my previous message? |
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| 22:37.23 | Gh0sTeE | Hello, I just rebooted and I noticed that my lvm is down and when I try to goto /dev to fsck it it's not there. How can I get it back? |
| 22:37.50 | sylar | because I don't find 64bit in my synaptic search |
| 22:38.10 | sylar | I see in the packages.debian.com there is amd64 xen |
| 22:39.43 | sylar | maybe my source has a problem? |
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| 22:42.38 | sepult | sylar: maybe unstable or experimental or testing branch |
| 22:43.09 | sylar | sepult, but I see it under lenny in packages.debian.org |
| 22:43.42 | sepult | sylar: then it's possible they in non-free or contrib |
| 22:43.57 | sepult | sylar: have you non-free or contrib turned on ? |
| 22:43.57 | sylar | ah |
| 22:44.07 | sylar | let's see |
| 22:44.42 | sepult | shit i'm soo tired |
| 22:44.55 | sepult | i don't know why though |
| 22:45.54 | sylar | sepult, yes I have them all |
| 22:46.02 | htmlol | when I start conky up, it suddenly blasts my CPU to 100% for no reason. help? |
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| 22:46.24 | sepult | sylar: which is your primary server from which you get your sources ? |
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| 22:47.08 | sylar | deb http://mirror.isoc.org.il/pub/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 22:47.32 | sepult | sylar: maybe you should try another mirror |
| 22:47.40 | sepult | sylar: it maybe not up to date |
| 22:47.44 | sylar | I guess so |
| 22:47.47 | sepult | sylar: that can happen too |
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| 22:55.12 | goldenwolf | hey, is it possible to change permission of read only file system? (ntfs drive) |
| 22:56.11 | dkr | goldenwolf: specify with mount options? |
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| 22:59.45 | htmlol | it seems that conky only puts the cpu to 100% when it runs in its own window |
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| 23:12.29 | enter299 | quiero navegar en internet + no se puede, me dice StardBand Registration,, que es eso? |
| 23:13.17 | jintxo | !es |
| 23:13.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:24.01 | acu_rodna | stupid question: how can I create a hyperlink with bluefish (I want to hyperlink to a *.iso files) |
| 23:24.05 | jetscreamer | i installed ubuntu (because i didn't feel like holding the guy's hand) ... on an older box, should be well suported. all it does is kernel panic after i finish the install and reboot \o/ |
| 23:24.40 | jetscreamer | aref whatever |
| 23:26.25 | jetscreamer | <a href="http://www.wherever.com/path/to/blah.iso">neato warez iso</a> |
| 23:26.40 | \amethyst | acu_rodna: it has a big icon of an anchor... click on that and put the URL or filename of the ISO as the HREF |
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| 23:33.30 | acu_rodna | \amethyst: you are a genius ! If I was a girl I would mary you :) |
| 23:33.44 | acu_rodna | if I were... |
| 23:33.54 | jetscreamer | who is mary |
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| 23:34.13 | jetscreamer | an evil troll no doubt |
| 23:34.13 | cast | must be some kind of sexual move |
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| 23:34.25 | jetscreamer | that or aggressive |
| 23:34.56 | acu_rodna | lol marry (I never used this word until now :) |
| 23:35.50 | jetscreamer | notes: hey ubuntu must rock.... even though it kernel panics, screen blanking still works! that must be in the hopes that nobody notices... |
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| 23:36.51 | cast | bangs head on table |
| 23:37.05 | jetscreamer | always aims for the corner |
| 23:37.10 | cast | why does mencoder -oac lavc default to a combination of incompatible options |
| 23:37.32 | jetscreamer | oac is the audio isn't it |
| 23:37.37 | jetscreamer | forgets |
| 23:37.59 | jetscreamer | you know about #mplayer i take it so this must be a rhetorical question |
| 23:38.18 | cast | rhetoric indeed. |
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| 23:40.38 | jetscreamer | has 1.6 hrs lft for the lenny dvd |
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| 23:42.55 | cast | ahh, apologies to mencoder, ffmpeg dies the same way. think the source is set to some weirdo rate, and they're just picking that number to use |
| 23:43.02 | cast | consults mplayer |
| 23:43.39 | b52laptop | any tuto to follow to compile the kernel under lenny ? |
| 23:43.58 | cast | -af resample=44100:0:0 fixed it :) |
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| 23:50.29 | kdas | can someone help me with a pl2303 serial to usb adapter? |
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| 23:51.24 | MasterYoda | anyone familiar with find? according to manual this will give me the list for both users. but actually it gives the list for the second user: find /tmp -user root -o -user guestfox -ls |
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| 23:52.46 | MasterYoda | got it. thanx everyone |
| 23:52.47 | dondelelcaro | MasterYoda: you're mising parenthesis |
| 23:53.24 | MasterYoda | donelcaro - it's not nessesarry there. find /tmp -user root -ls -o -user guestfox -ls |
| 23:53.38 | _impuls | I got some major routing problems within my rather simple openvpn server/client constallation. Can someone give me a hand and have a quick look at my configs/tables? |
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| 23:53.40 | MasterYoda | the same as with parenthesis |
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| 23:53.43 | _impuls | http://loos.stoerimpuls.net/random/openvpn/ |
| 23:53.49 | RedEyess | how do i install my webcam in lenny |
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| 23:54.09 | RedEyess | i have tried to find information out online |
| 23:54.17 | RedEyess | my system sees the device |
| 23:54.45 | kdas | how do i serve a qemu vm over PXE? |
| 23:54.51 | RedEyess | when i use lsusb |
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| 23:57.21 | enouf | RedEyess: you want the [xxxx:xxxx] <==deviceID/vendorID pair |
| 23:57.38 | enouf | is that gspca or something? |
| 23:57.54 | loafers | Does iceweasal work with all of firefox plugins? |
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| 23:58.04 | RedEyess | it should be gspca |
| 23:58.06 | enouf | RedEyess: also, when you connect it, dmesg | tail |
| 23:58.09 | dondelelcaro | MasterYoda: uh... it's necessary if you don't want to repeat -ls |
| 23:58.12 | kdas | loafers, yes |
| 23:58.15 | enouf | !gspca |
| 23:58.15 | dpkg | The GSCPA driver provides support for digital cameras and webcams based on SPCA5xx chipsets. To install on Lenny or Etch, ask me about <gscpa one-liner>. Module included in mainline kernel from 2.6.27. Supported devices: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html See also <uvcvideo>. |
| 23:58.26 | dondelelcaro | MasterYoda: find /tmp \( -user root -o -user guestfox \) -ls |
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| 23:58.42 | RedEyess | enouf: what next? |
| 23:59.06 | enouf | dondelelcaro: nice to see dpkg is back ;0 (after all those others broke her/him earlier today) |
| 23:59.18 | enouf | RedEyess: no idea, i don't use gadgets .. |
| 23:59.24 | RedEyess | k |
| 23:59.25 | jetscreamer | enouf did the botabuse! |
| 23:59.26 | dondelelcaro | MasterYoda: since -o short-circuits |
| 23:59.35 | enouf | RedEyess: try ##linux or #v4l perhaps |
| 23:59.39 | dondelelcaro | enouf: yeah; the machine it's on didn't trigger the OOM properly for some reason |
| 23:59.46 | enouf | !pal jetscreamer |
| 23:59.46 | dpkg | points at jetscreamer and laughs uproariously |
| 23:59.48 | MasterYoda | dondelelcaro: thanx, that's good idea too :) |
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| 23:59.57 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ahh .. |
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