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| 00:00.14 | RedMushroom | i just installed debian on a computer, and i want to use a remote desktop to manage this box. i used to use freenx when i had ubuntu installed. is there an easy way to install a freenx server on debian? i've also noticed that i have options for allowing remote desktop connections in gnome. is there a program i can use that will allow me to just use that to connect? |
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| 00:00.59 | petemc | RedMushroom: gnome uses vino, which is just a vnc server, i use nomachines nx |
| 00:01.11 | AcTiVaTe | RedMushroom: That's vino and vinagre |
| 00:01.22 | bl4ckc00k1e | petemc i paste you the lines that i think are interesting |
| 00:01.24 | RedMushroom | ok, what's the difference between vino and freenx, as far as functionality is concerned? |
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| 00:01.57 | RedMushroom | isn't dpkg the channel bot? |
| 00:02.01 | enouf | nomachine? |
| 00:02.08 | enouf | !nomachine |
| 00:02.09 | petemc | a company |
| 00:02.15 | enouf | !freenx |
| 00:02.15 | dpkg | somebody said freenx was a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main". http://wiki.debian.org/freenx #nx @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:02.26 | j0nr_ | hey all, can someone please help me. I tried to install debian on a seperate partition. On another partition I have ubuntu....but I cannot get back into it...been trying to add things to GRUB but not sure what I am doing... I really need to get back into my ubuntu system! |
| 00:02.31 | petemc | bl4ckc00k1e: i noticed, dpkg -S /usr/sbin/imapd |
| 00:02.45 | petemc | freenx is a 5000 line long shell script |
| 00:02.47 | RedMushroom | they make a freenx client. i'm basically wanting to know what's better, the vino/vinagre combo, or freenx/nomachine |
| 00:03.00 | petemc | nx is "better" than vnc |
| 00:03.09 | petemc | fsvo better |
| 00:03.14 | bl4ckc00k1e | petemc, for what is this command? |
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| 00:03.36 | petemc | bl4ckc00k1e: to know what package provides your imapd |
| 00:03.37 | RedMushroom | k, is there something like "apt-get" that i can try on debian to install it quickly? |
| 00:03.42 | petemc | which package |
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| 00:03.56 | petemc | RedMushroom: there are debs |
| 00:04.05 | sprax | NFS vs Samba in a throughput fight to the death. Who wins? |
| 00:04.12 | RedMushroom | petemc: deb? |
| 00:04.14 | bl4ckc00k1e | petemc, uw-imapd: /usr/sbin/imapd |
| 00:04.18 | enouf | spacepup: netcat :-P |
| 00:04.22 | enouf | er sprax |
| 00:04.41 | peterrooney | sprax: a station wagon full of hard drives |
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| 00:04.46 | petemc | sprax: nfs might require more tuning to get superior throughput |
| 00:05.01 | j0nr_ | can anyone suggest anything? |
| 00:05.09 | sprax | I want to run VirtualBox VDIs off a network file system |
| 00:05.27 | enouf | j0nr_: which partition is debian on? which one is ubuntu on? |
| 00:05.30 | sprax | I know its dumb but I want to try anyway. AFAIK SAMBA is pretty chatty and not the best answer |
| 00:05.45 | enouf | use cifs - still chatty |
| 00:05.58 | sprax | The hardware is ancient so I can forget about iSCSI and other coolness |
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| 00:06.35 | enouf | how about the wintendo client versions? .. or, would you use samba across linux? ugh |
| 00:07.11 | sprax | yeah, it's two linux boxes, so it really doesn't make sense to use Samba (samba is just what I know). It's not as easy to google as I thought |
| 00:07.13 | enouf | welcome to port probing, netbios garbage and useless network chatter |
| 00:07.15 | RedMushroom | i'm seeing something on wiki.debian.org saying "deb http://packages.debianbase.de/[etch|lenny|sid|...]/i386/nx/ ./" what's that mean? |
| 00:07.17 | petemc | sprax: ancient hardware and network filesystems dont seem a good mix to me |
| 00:07.36 | enouf | sprax: how ancient? |
| 00:07.39 | sprax | petemc it's a toy, thats all, just trying stuff for kicks |
| 00:07.45 | j0nr_ | enouf: ubuntu is on hda5, deb on hda7 |
| 00:07.51 | enouf | j0nr_: ugh |
| 00:08.09 | sprax | HP DL380 G3s. 2x 2.8 GHz, 6 GB RAM |
| 00:08.18 | enouf | Extended partition + logicals |
| 00:08.35 | petemc | thats ancient? i must be getting old.. |
| 00:08.37 | enouf | j0nr_: what happens exzactly when you boot? |
| 00:08.45 | enouf | sprax: ... |
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| 00:09.15 | enouf | j0nr_: and - are you booting a USB key or HDD within a USB enclosure? |
| 00:09.47 | petemc | grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:09.47 | petemc | cpu MHz : 451.209 |
| 00:09.48 | j0nr_ | enouf: yeah its getting a bit messy... i have added a few lines to GRUB to try and retrieve ubuntu... title, root (hd0,4) makeactive, chainloader |
| 00:09.56 | sprax | so I've got a couple of 1 GB NICs and I was going to see if I could rig up some poor mans load balancing. I'm a pretty good scripter |
| 00:10.01 | j0nr_ | enouf: this is just hdd on computer now |
| 00:10.03 | enouf | amphi: i'm going for the really hot wings (chernobyl hot) in about hour .. extra blue cheese ;-) |
| 00:10.17 | enouf | j0nr_: internal then? ok |
| 00:10.27 | j0nr_ | when i choose the ubuntu boot option, just get an error, can;t remember the exact wording, but just wrong something |
| 00:10.40 | j0nr_ | enouf: internal, yes |
| 00:10.47 | enouf | j0nr_: yes, hdXx should've told me - i justthuought i recall you mentioned LiveCDs and USB keys and Memsticks |
| 00:11.00 | sprax | is it possible to use the SCSI adapters for some sort of network interface? Would I get better throughput than a 1GB NIC? |
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| 00:11.11 | petemc | sprax: for serving vms, clustering filesystems are generally better |
| 00:11.44 | enouf | j0nr_: listen, easiest is likely to just reinstall grub to /dev/hda .. then if that doesn't cut it, also do /dev/hda5 |
| 00:12.02 | j0nr_ | enouf: it may be hda1 |
| 00:12.05 | enouf | j0nr_: the debian installer has rescue mode boot options, then you can reinstall grub |
| 00:12.25 | enouf | j0nr_: well .. not really ... |
| 00:12.25 | sprax | petemc can you reccomend a Linux implementation I should start googling? |
| 00:12.37 | RedMushroom | would someone mind looking at http://wiki.debian.org/freenx and explaining what the instructions mean? i don't understand what it's telling me to do. are those commands i enter in the terminal, or items i need to put into a .conf file or something? |
| 00:12.57 | enouf | j0nr_: /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 00:13.04 | j0nr_ | enouf: so boot the deb cdrom, and there's a rescue option? |
| 00:13.24 | petemc | sprax: ocfs with drbd |
| 00:13.50 | bzed | petemc: does ocfs support file locking now? |
| 00:14.01 | enouf | j0nr_: yes, type rescue at the prompt |
| 00:14.16 | j0nr_ | enouf: ok...will give it a go...cheers :) |
| 00:14.21 | enouf | j0nr_: the F1-F10 keys will mention all this |
| 00:14.33 | enouf | as well as installation guide |
| 00:14.43 | enouf | seen the factoid? in PM j0nr_ ? |
| 00:14.54 | j0nr_ | enouf: yup |
| 00:14.55 | sprax | petemc thanks. I'm running VirtualBox 2.2 and the general idea is to save the state of a VM on one box and resume the state on another. ocfs is going to keep the VDI synced across the two boxes fairly well? |
| 00:14.55 | petemc | bzed: not sure off the top of my head, i dont use it |
| 00:14.57 | enouf | ok |
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| 00:15.14 | sprax | I say fairly well because I know it won't be instant, but I'm hoping that within a few MS..... |
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| 00:16.35 | RedMushroom | when i type "man deb" in the terminal i get no information. would someone please tell me what the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/freenx are telling me to do in plain english? |
| 00:16.44 | sprax | With the help of WikiPedia I found four different GPL clustered file systems (OCFS, Lustre, QFS and GFS) so I've got a pile of reading to do. Thanks again for your help! |
| 00:16.49 | enouf | j0nr_: so - to be clear, you DO 1st want to install grub into MBR (/dev/hda) then only if no good, redo it and use /dev/hda5 - however also check your menu.lst and note; you MIGHT be seeing the menu.lst from the debian partition if you installed grub again when you installed debian - so ... also there's /etc/fstab to contend with |
| 00:17.19 | enouf | needs to run now ... mucho gravitas :-) |
| 00:17.34 | pipeline | sprax: you don't need a cluster filesystem for that. Just use NFS. Much less work. |
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| 00:19.42 | sprax | pipeline thats how I'll likely start, but clustered FS are now on the table too. |
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| 00:20.57 | sprax | Is it possible to use a SCSI adapter as a network iterface? |
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| 00:22.04 | petemc | no |
| 00:22.43 | sprax | ok thanks |
| 00:23.17 | RedMushroom | would someome please help me understand the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/freenx ? |
| 00:23.45 | RedMushroom | what is a deb, how do i adapt the example to my system? |
| 00:24.09 | nordc | has anyone tried to install Pageant (Putty) under Wine; i've successfully installed Pageant but it doesn't work |
| 00:24.33 | petemc | RedMushroom: nx is only worth the hassle if you need the benefits it provides, if you're on a lan, using a vnc client and vino may be a better option |
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| 00:24.51 | bzed | nordc: where the hell is the sense behind that? |
| 00:24.52 | petemc | RedMushroom: deb is the package format for debian, you can install one with dpkg -i |
| 00:24.55 | RedMushroom | petemc: i'm going to be using it over the internet |
| 00:25.12 | zzz | Hello, are there packages of KDE's trunk for Sid? |
| 00:26.02 | nordc | bzed: the thing is with Pageant I don't have to write passwords into ssh every time i want to ssh my vps |
| 00:26.03 | petemc | RedMushroom: well, as i said, i use the debs from nomachine, download them and run dpkg -i on them, if that fails run aptitude -f install then try again |
| 00:26.21 | bzed | nordc: that's what ssh-agent is for. |
| 00:26.28 | petemc | or keys in general |
| 00:26.51 | nordc | bzed: i didn't know that; that's why i'm here bro ;-)) |
| 00:26.56 | nordc | to learn |
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| 00:27.01 | petemc | putty also has the ability to use keys |
| 00:27.20 | nordc | petemc: that's the thing |
| 00:27.25 | bzed | nordc: not to forget that there's a linux version of putty, you could jsut install it. why the hell use wine? |
| 00:27.41 | RedMushroom | so i go to the website, d/l the package, run dpkg on it, and it should install from there? |
| 00:27.48 | petemc | RedMushroom: yeah |
| 00:28.00 | nordc | bzed: can you tell me of that version of putty for linux? the link |
| 00:28.09 | petemc | !ssh keys |
| 00:28.09 | dpkg | well, ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 00:28.19 | bzed | nordc: ^ |
| 00:28.33 | bzed | nordc: and if you *really* want to use putty - aptitude install putty |
| 00:28.54 | bzed | nordc: linux is not windows, you don't go to weird download sites and download stuff |
| 00:29.18 | nordc | bzed: thank you very much |
| 00:29.51 | nordc | i'll be back if i'm not successful with installing Putty |
| 00:30.10 | bzed | nordc: again: don't install it. |
| 00:30.17 | nordc | bzed: why? |
| 00:30.18 | bzed | nordc: read the tutorial above instaed |
| 00:30.29 | bzed | !ssh keys |
| 00:30.30 | dpkg | hmm... ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
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| 00:30.38 | mirak | is there some way to sed a file without using a temporary file ? |
| 00:30.38 | bzed | nordc: ^^^ this one, there is it again |
| 00:30.45 | bzed | mirak: man sed ;) |
| 00:30.51 | bzed | mirak: look for -i |
| 00:30.57 | mirak | thanks |
| 00:31.13 | nordc | bzed: I'm not getting any tutorial here |
| 00:31.22 | petemc | google for ssh keys |
| 00:31.29 | nordc | bzed: please be more specific |
| 00:31.45 | bzed | nordc: did you see the link? |
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| 00:31.51 | nordc | bzed: no |
| 00:31.56 | nordc | that's my point |
| 00:32.01 | bzed | scroll up |
| 00:32.01 | nordc | dpkg? |
| 00:32.04 | bzed | yes |
| 00:32.06 | mirak | bzed: I mean sed s/dfdf/fggh/g afile > afile delete the file |
| 00:32.09 | nordc | OK, thank you |
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| 00:32.30 | bzed | mirak: eh what? |
| 00:32.58 | mirak | bzed: ok this works with -i, thanks |
| 00:33.21 | bzed | mirak: man sed - look for -i, as I said before.. |
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| 00:36.02 | nordc | exit |
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| 00:36.23 | mirak | bzed: yes but but the man is not clear |
| 00:36.39 | mirak | as usual ... |
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| 00:37.58 | LinuxMania | Hello We are starting new web site for linux people and we are looking for team members.you can visit us on http://forum.linux-mania.org . |
| 00:38.28 | bzed | mirak: what's not clear there? edit file inline... |
| 00:38.51 | Polarina | Which is more secure? RSA or DSA (for an SSH key)? |
| 00:39.56 | adb | LinuxMania: no thx , no ubuntu fun |
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| 00:40.12 | Rockj | Q: does shutdown -r -F automagically repair errors if any is found? or is it better to use echo y > /forcefsck and then reboot ? |
| 00:40.20 | mirak | bzed: my man says "edit files in place (makes backup if extension supplied)" and I am not english |
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| 00:40.32 | mirak | don't know why it's not in french ... |
| 00:41.12 | RedMushroom | i d/l'ed a deb package for freenx but when i ran dpkg -i on it it gave me a bunch of errors about dependancies. is there just some sort of apt-get command i can use to install freenx? |
| 00:41.22 | mirak | I install them |
| 00:42.04 | RedMushroom | i don't even know where to find them. it's not like it asked me what to do about it either. |
| 00:42.20 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: /msg dpkg freenx |
| 00:42.28 | petemc | RedMushroom: as i mentioned before, you can resolve that iisue by running aptitude -f install after trying to dpkg -i the .deb, its also worth noting that freenx can be a pain to get working |
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| 00:42.46 | RedMushroom | even with all of those errors? |
| 00:43.14 | petemc | those errors are due to dependancies, aptitude resolves them |
| 00:43.44 | RedMushroom | ah |
| 00:43.45 | RedMushroom | thank you |
| 00:44.04 | petemc | s/an/en/ |
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| 00:46.47 | RedMushroom | why cant linux programers just make crap easy |
| 00:46.59 | Polarina | RedMushroom: They can, and do. |
| 00:47.12 | Polarina | RedMushroom: It's just you who isn't easy. :) |
| 00:47.17 | petemc | RedMushroom: you wont find much easier than installing software on debian |
| 00:47.46 | petemc | as long as that software is packaged for debian, and in the repos.. |
| 00:47.56 | RedMushroom | ha! you should just be able to d/l it, clickclickclick and be done. none of this d/l this, d/l that, blah blah blah |
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| 00:48.23 | petemc | RedMushroom: what are you comparing it to? |
| 00:48.47 | petemc | also, look at gdebi |
| 00:48.49 | RedMushroom | freaking anything. never have these issues with windows |
| 00:49.27 | petemc | i would suggest that your experience is limited, installing software on windows can often be a pain |
| 00:49.34 | wastrel | it's ironic |
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| 00:49.52 | wastrel | apt-get install foo is super super easy |
| 00:49.56 | petemc | like rain on a wedding day? |
| 00:50.06 | RedMushroom | sometimes, but it's normally pretty easy to fix. linux is a fight just get it installed to begin with |
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| 00:50.14 | RedMushroom | wastrel: tried that, got an error |
| 00:50.31 | RedMushroom | package freenx has no installation candidate |
| 00:50.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | RedMushroom, that's like it is... you just downloaded a single dll and now complain that "it doesnt work" |
| 00:50.49 | petemc | RedMushroom: no, its really not. your viewpoint is skewed |
| 00:50.49 | dondelelcaro | RedMushroom: if something isn't packaged for Debian, then installing it usually isn't going to be trivial. |
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| 00:52.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, was it a troll anyway?s |
| 00:52.08 | RedMushroom | well, what's a good alternative then? if freenx is out, because it's not packaged for debian, what's a similar alternative that is? |
| 00:52.32 | AcTiVaTe | RedMushroom: apt-cache search vnc |
| 00:52.57 | RedMushroom | i thought vnc was only good over lan |
| 00:53.07 | petemc | you can tunnel vnc over ssh |
| 00:53.08 | AcTiVaTe | lol :D |
| 00:53.26 | dondelelcaro | RedMushroom: see http://wiki.debian.org/freenx; alternatively, use X itself. |
| 00:53.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it is packaged for debian... just not packaged by debian - else you wouldn't have a .deb - your mistake was in trying to circumvent apt |
| 00:53.31 | RedMushroom | does it offer a graphical ssh that i can use a windows based client for? |
| 00:53.32 | petemc | but for ease of setup, nomachine debs and aptitude to resolve deps is hard to beatr |
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| 00:54.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is a "graphical ssh" |
| 00:54.36 | petemc | something you can click? |
| 00:54.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | for sshd? |
| 00:55.01 | petemc | as a transport layer |
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| 00:55.10 | RedMushroom | remote desktop connection, or whatever. basically i want to set it up so i can open a program on my vista box, plug in the IP , username, and pw, and then open up a gnome desktop in that window controlling the linux box |
| 00:55.50 | petemc | nomachine nx ticks all those boxes |
| 00:55.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like vnc to me *shrug*= |
| 00:55.53 | wastrel | vnc |
| 00:55.55 | AcTiVaTe | RedMushroom: vnc is the easiest then. vncviewer for windows and vncserver or vino |
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| 00:57.51 | RedMushroom | vnc is the server side of the app, and vncviewer for vista is the client side? |
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| 00:59.09 | petemc | any vnc cient should work, tho i myself wouldnt recommend vnc on its own |
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| 01:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | and your mistake was to confuse "ease of use" with "things work like I know them from Windows" |
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| 01:03.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !vnc |
| 01:03.00 | dpkg | [vnc] Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about <x-not-vnc>. Packages in Debian include tightvncserver xvncserver xvnc4server and x11vnc, "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more. Also ask about <vnc setup>. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer |
| 01:03.09 | RedMushroom | CutMeOwnThroat: considering that windows has a monster market share of the OS market, it's set a standard of user interaction that people have come to expect. if linux would come out with a way to create easy, self contained, install utilities with every program then i think they'd see wider dissemination of their product |
| 01:04.08 | RedMushroom | see, i just searched "vnc" in synaptic, and i got nothing |
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| 01:05.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get update; apt-get --names only search vnc |
| 01:05.40 | petemc | RedMushroom: how do you search for software within windows? |
| 01:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, he clicks on start->search :-P |
| 01:06.07 | RedMushroom | you find it on the internet, d/l the install utility, and run it. then you have a handy little icon on your desktop. that's it |
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| 01:06.11 | petemc | he wont get much new software that way |
| 01:06.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, no, but he can complain in ##windows about it |
| 01:06.35 | MichelFX | hello, Why the mirros from US and BR are so slow? |
| 01:06.41 | Vantage | hi all, I seem to have lost keyboard and mouse in sid. lshal reports that hal isn't running and hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes is indicating dbus_move_error's. Anyone know why that might be? |
| 01:06.50 | MichelFX | 79% [8 Sources 679685/2305kB 29%] 20.0kB/s 1min21s |
| 01:07.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, anyway, I thought that's the intuive way?! |
| 01:07.45 | petemc | more of a norm than intuitive |
| 01:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, start->search sounds a hell lot more intuitive to me than start->shut down in any case |
| 01:08.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | MichelFX, I'm updating my computer and stealing it all from you!!!!!!1123 |
| 01:09.01 | RedMushroom | when i type apt-get install vino it's telling me it's already installed, but i'm not seeing "vino" on the applications menu. what would it be setup under? |
| 01:09.10 | petemc | like anything, shutting down has a start |
| 01:09.20 | AcTiVaTe | RedMushroom: Remote Desktop Connection ? |
| 01:09.31 | RedMushroom | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, that gets everybody. i think that's why they changed the start button to a microsoft logo |
| 01:09.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | RedMushroom, vino is a server? |
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| 01:10.14 | RedMushroom | CutMeOwnThroat: i thought it was. isn't it the server side of the application pair? |
| 01:10.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | RedMushroom, it's no biggie you just have to stop thinking debian would work the same way as windows... it doesn't |
| 01:10.31 | sshc_ | my computer crashed again |
| 01:10.34 | sshc_ | well, it froze |
| 01:10.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | RedMushroom, type "vino"? |
| 01:10.50 | sshc_ | what can I do to find the problem? |
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| 01:11.06 | petemc | RedMushroom: vino is configured within gnome |
| 01:11.15 | MichelFX | CutMeOwnThroat: there its slow too? |
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| 01:11.19 | RedMushroom | CutMeOwnThroat: command not found |
| 01:11.21 | sshc_ | I switched from GUI to a tty with CTRL+ALT+F1 |
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| 01:11.57 | RedMushroom | petemc: is it the remote desktop thing under system --> preferences --> remote desktop? |
| 01:12.00 | wastrel | protip, after installing a debian package, navigate to /usr/share/doc/<package name> to find potentially useful docs |
| 01:12.00 | AcTiVaTe | RedMushroom: After it is configured you merely do vncviewer host:display or host::port. The vino server is managed with the Remote Desktop thingie |
| 01:12.05 | petemc | RedMushroom: yes |
| 01:12.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | MichelFX, I was just kidding... choose a different mirror if it's too bad /msg dpkg mirrors for the webpage that has them |
| 01:12.09 | wastrel | note particularly README.Debian |
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| 01:12.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | RedMushroom, what petemc said... it was just a guess I never used vino (nor gnome) |
| 01:13.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | sshc_, well, top and/or iotop? |
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| 01:14.13 | AcTiVaTe | sshc_: You could check dmesg to see if it has anything related to the freeze in there |
| 01:14.41 | sshc_ | AcTiVate: is that a log file? sorry, I'm a newbie. |
| 01:14.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vantage, using sid you surely checked the bts already |
| 01:15.10 | AcTiVaTe | sshc_: It's a command, you can read throught it with dmesg | less |
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| 01:16.31 | sshc_ | AcTiVaTe: thanks. what should I look for? |
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| 01:16.59 | AcTiVaTe | sshc_: Anything right before you see the messages from booting |
| 01:17.12 | Vantage | CutMeOwnThroat: I have, but haven't seen anything yet. Is there an open bug I missed? |
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| 01:17.29 | sshc_ | AcTiVate, I've already rebooted by unplugging my computer, so I think I lost anything info beforhand |
| 01:18.04 | MichelFX | CutMeOwnThroat: There something wrong all mirros waht I use Dowload at 20 kb/s |
| 01:18.19 | petemc | i would question the usefulness of information before booting, generally the info at the end of the log is most germane |
| 01:18.26 | MichelFX | an archive normal I download at 220 kb/s |
| 01:18.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vantage, dunno, I thought some guy in here complained about the same thing a couple of days ago... he should have filed one :) (or I remember falsely) |
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| 01:19.06 | RedMushroom | what port does VNC run on? |
| 01:19.08 | sshc_ | AcTiVate: I don't see anything wrong in dmesg |
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| 01:19.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | MichelFX, then it should be you in some way |
| 01:19.38 | petemc | sshc_: so its only X is frozen? check xorgs log |
| 01:19.45 | AcTiVaTe | RedMushroom: Depends, did you set any in Remote Desktop ? |
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| 01:19.53 | petemc | sshc_: or, as had been suggested, top |
| 01:19.54 | wastrel | sshc_: did you try ctrl-alt-backspace |
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| 01:20.29 | wastrel | it reboots x |
| 01:20.34 | wastrel | if it freezes you could try that |
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| 01:20.40 | wastrel | restarts |
| 01:20.55 | sshc_ | wastrel: no, not just X. I've already restarted |
| 01:20.56 | RedMushroom | AcTiVaTe: nope |
| 01:21.00 | sshc_ | everything was frozen |
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| 01:21.19 | sshc_ | ctrl+alt+backspace does nothing and I can't switch to a TTY |
| 01:21.22 | AcTiVaTe | RedMushroom: Then :0 for display 0 or otherwise ::5900 for the default port should work |
| 01:21.28 | sshc_ | I normally don't use X, petemc |
| 01:21.49 | sshc_ | my computer freezes up about a few times a week |
| 01:22.00 | sshc_ | the last time I wasn't in any GUI or X at all |
| 01:22.10 | petemc | sshc_: does the caps lock key have a light? does that still toggle? |
| 01:22.38 | sshc_ | I accidentally ran links2 -g (in a tty) in the background last time when it crashed |
| 01:23.03 | sshc_ | petemc: I'm sorry, I didn't check that. I'll do that next time |
| 01:23.41 | sshc_ | I can try running links2 -g in the background again and try that |
| 01:24.04 | AcTiVaTe | And there's always SysRq |
| 01:24.07 | petemc | AcTiVaTe: your idea to check the pre boot logs was correct, apologie |
| 01:24.07 | petemc | s |
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| 01:25.44 | AcTiVaTe | petemc: :P |
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| 01:26.01 | zamuro | http://zamuro.is-a-geek.com/Captura_de_pantalla.png <- Is there a reason why does this happen? |
| 01:26.21 | AcTiVaTe | I should focus on my work instead of just watching irc lol |
| 01:26.36 | MichelFX | How I can solve this? |
| 01:26.38 | MichelFX | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.pt.debian.org/debian-security/dists/lenny/updates/main/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2 Could not connect to localhost:4001 (::1). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
| 01:27.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | AcTiVaTe, you could watch tv :) |
| 01:27.45 | AcTiVaTe | MichelFX: There is no i18n in http://ftp.pt.debian.org/debian-security/dists/lenny/updates/main/ |
| 01:27.54 | AcTiVaTe | CutMeOwnThroat: Just killed tvtime :P |
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| 01:28.29 | anoHito | where is the php.ini in debian by default ? |
| 01:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell anoHito -about search |
| 01:28.57 | sshc | peterc: ok, after it froze caps lock didn't respond |
| 01:29.05 | abrotman | anoHito: depends which version of apache you're using |
| 01:29.06 | MichelFX | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.pt.debian.org/debian-security/dists/lenny/updates/main/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2 Could not connect to localhost:4001 (::1). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
| 01:29.09 | MichelFX | ops |
| 01:29.09 | RedMushroom | when i try to connect with vnc view i'm getting a connection refused error. i have the remote desktop preferances set to allow a remote desktop connection, and it's setup on port 5900. any idea what's causing that? |
| 01:29.10 | MichelFX | sorry |
| 01:29.18 | anoHito | abrotman, apache 2.2 |
| 01:29.21 | petemc | MichelFX: you're using a proxy? |
| 01:29.30 | sshc | so everything is probably really frozen |
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| 01:29.36 | abrotman | anoHito: that's not really what i meant .. but /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini most likely |
| 01:30.04 | petemc | RedMushroom: you say its over the internet? firewall? |
| 01:30.13 | sshc | petemc, can I look into this problem, or is my only option to use a more stable distro? |
| 01:30.14 | MichelFX | I was using anon-proxy but I removed |
| 01:30.20 | MichelFX | then now show me this error |
| 01:30.21 | RedMushroom | petemc: no firewall installed on either computer |
| 01:30.33 | adb | !tell sshc_ about memtest |
| 01:30.35 | AcTiVaTe | RedMushroom: vncviewer expects a display number if you use : |
| 01:30.40 | AcTiVaTe | RedMushroom: Use :: for a port |
| 01:30.48 | petemc | RedMushroom: the host is on a public ip, not behind a router/ |
| 01:30.50 | anoHito | abrotman, Thanks. |
| 01:30.54 | RedMushroom | oh, so i have to put in my IP:0::port? |
| 01:30.59 | petemc | sshc: that smacks of hardware issues |
| 01:31.03 | AcTiVaTe | IP::port |
| 01:31.12 | RedMushroom | petemc: it's behind a router, but i have port forwarding setup for port 5900 |
| 01:31.12 | sshc | abd, did you want to tell me something? |
| 01:31.13 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.14 | AcTiVaTe | RedMushroom: It's display or port, not both |
| 01:31.29 | RedMushroom | ah |
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| 01:31.45 | petemc | RedMushroom: and the vnc host is allowed to make outbound connections unfettered? |
| 01:31.51 | RedMushroom | yeah |
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| 01:34.08 | sshc | petemc: I was using XP for a good period of time about a year on this machine and it never itself crashed except during a virus infection. Now I switched to debian (I love it much better, the shell, everything, etc). but since Etch (I'm using Squeeze now) it's randomly froze |
| 01:34.22 | sshc | petemc: is there anything I can do? |
| 01:34.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | RedMushroom, "netstat -an| grep 5900" shows you what is listening at port 5900 , ps aux |grep pid_from_netstat shows you the process name; if that's all ok, some logfile should tell you if vino ever got a request |
| 01:34.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I wouldn't know which logfile that is for vino |
| 01:34.40 | RedMushroom | same thing. i tried 74.131.111.224::5900, ...:5900, ...:0, and ...::0 |
| 01:34.42 | RedMushroom | nothing |
| 01:34.47 | adb | RedMushroom: when started vnc server it told you localhost:1 or so use to connect localhost's IP:1 |
| 01:34.54 | sshc | petemc, it most often freezes during an opengl game |
| 01:35.04 | RedMushroom | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, ok |
| 01:35.04 | sshc | I never had that problem beforhand |
| 01:35.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | and if 5900 is the default port, you don't need to specify any port |
| 01:35.36 | petemc | sshc: can you ssh to the machine ? |
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| 01:36.09 | lowlycoder | is there a way to get apt-get to return for me a list of all packages in debian, under the category of games, that has license BSD or MIT ? |
| 01:36.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | sshc, oh... I also got this... nvidia?s |
| 01:36.50 | sshc | petemc: yes, I'm using it now |
| 01:37.01 | sshc | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry, ati :/ |
| 01:37.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | not for a longer time now, though (used to happen not with a game, but googleearth)9 |
| 01:37.04 | petemc | sshc: can you ssh to the machine when its frozen |
| 01:37.24 | sshc | petemc: I'll try |
| 01:37.35 | RedMushroom | when i type the command to see what's listening on port 5900 it just says "tcp6 0 0 :::5900 :::* LISTEN" |
| 01:37.38 | RedMushroom | i don't get a pid |
| 01:37.45 | Balrog | hi everyone ... just was wondering about one thing: at <http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianMonoGroup/Moonlight> it says that "Ms-PL [is] a DFSG-free GPL3-compatible license from Microsoft which is essentially MIT with patent grants" ... FSF says otherwise <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html> ... wrong place to ask? |
| 01:38.04 | petemc | RedMushroom: only root can see process names with netstat |
| 01:38.13 | Polarina | Is it safe to copy my SSH private key to another computer (which I own) and use both computers (using the same private key)? |
| 01:38.38 | Polarina | Balrog: Try #GNU |
| 01:38.42 | petemc | Polarina: the client will complain |
| 01:38.49 | RedMushroom | petemc: tried it as su, got same result |
| 01:38.51 | AcTiVaTe | RedMushroom: netstat -talp|grep 5900 should show, otherwise lsof -i:5900 |
| 01:39.03 | sshc | petemc: I'm going to freeze it now |
| 01:39.11 | Polarina | petemc: What do you mean about "complain"? |
| 01:39.42 | petemc | Polarina: not work without further prompting, or sokme such |
| 01:39.48 | RedMushroom | -talp got me something. it says 3270/vino-server, so i take it that means it's running on that pid? |
| 01:39.57 | Polarina | petemc: And when would it complain? |
| 01:40.10 | petemc | Polarina: when you try to use it? |
| 01:40.21 | Polarina | petemc: Why would it? |
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| 01:41.10 | petemc | Polarina: ill admit its not something ive done, i would assume it would have a problem using the same public key with a different host |
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| 01:42.08 | Polarina | petemc: I can only imagine it only complaining if those two computers, using the same private key, connect to eachother... |
| 01:42.11 | AcTiVaTe | RedMushroom: You can also try from the other machine with nmap to see if it shows 5900 as open |
| 01:42.20 | petemc | Polarina: suck it and see? |
| 01:42.27 | abrotman | why not just telnet to the port? |
| 01:42.28 | Polarina | petemc: Ok. :) |
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| 01:42.33 | RedMushroom | AcTiVaTe: the other machine is running vista |
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| 01:43.06 | AcTiVaTe | RedMushroom: nmap is also available for windows |
| 01:43.56 | AcTiVaTe | RedMushroom: You can also just do a telnet hostname 5900 |
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| 01:45.43 | sshc | petemc, the keyboard doesn't respond, but, strangely, I CAN ssh into the "frozen" computer |
| 01:45.52 | anoHito | can i ask ? |
| 01:45.58 | abrotman | just ask |
| 01:46.03 | anoHito | i get this error when run php -v |
| 01:46.12 | anoHito | PHP Warning: [eAccelerator] This build of "eAccelerator" was compiled for PHP version 5.2.4. Rebuild it for your PHP version (5.2.9) or download precompiled binaries. |
| 01:46.24 | anoHito | PHP Fatal error: Unable to start eAccelerator module in Unknown on line 0 |
| 01:46.35 | RedMushroom | i just did a port-scan from a website offering it, and it says port 5900 isn't open :-( |
| 01:46.57 | anoHito | but in /usr/local/Zend/etc/php.ini i have already added ; to the lines realted eacclerator,how come it still mentions it ? |
| 01:46.59 | abrotman | anoHito: i don't even know what eAccelerator is |
| 01:47.29 | RedMushroom | anyone know how to get vino to start listening on port 5900? |
| 01:48.28 | amphi | guesses -p |
| 01:48.53 | RedMushroom | and what exactly do i do with "-p"? |
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| 01:49.01 | adb | port ? |
| 01:49.06 | simonrvn | man vino pehaps? |
| 01:49.39 | petemc | vino is twiddled within gnome |
| 01:49.51 | RedMushroom | man vino: "no manual entry for vino" |
| 01:49.52 | RedMushroom | wow |
| 01:49.55 | RedMushroom | that was helpfull |
| 01:50.17 | petemc | what was? |
| 01:50.21 | simonrvn | not my fault they didn't bother writing one. that's a bug in debian actually. |
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| 01:50.57 | simonrvn | they == upstream |
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| 01:51.46 | RedMushroom | welp, kinda hard to use -p when "vino" returns command not found, and so does "vnc-server |
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| 01:52.22 | simonrvn | tough titty said the kitty. not our fault it sucks :P. |
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| 01:53.00 | simonrvn | have you bothered to look in your prefs? gconf-editor? anywhere? or you just feel like complaining here instead? |
| 01:53.22 | RedMushroom | no clue where the prefs would be |
| 01:53.25 | FrozenSpoon | is there any documented way to upgrade from being behind multiple versions? like woody. |
| 01:53.50 | simonrvn | look up, top left, "System" |
| 01:54.23 | simonrvn | FrozenSpoon: upgrade to next later release, and progress until you reach current stable. |
| 01:54.36 | abrotman | FrozenSpoon: you do them one by one |
| 01:55.04 | FrozenSpoon | yeah, it sounds that easy, but even getting woody to see sarge is giving me problems |
| 01:55.28 | abrotman | FrozenSpoon: archive.debian.org |
| 01:55.28 | simonrvn | it *is* that easy. |
| 01:55.37 | mirak | is there a way to know what *.ko module files will generated from a kernel config or the makefiles ? |
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| 01:56.53 | simonrvn | abrotman: i just had a thought. with all the factoids dpkg has, have some sort of intermediary auto-post to wiki.d.o . |
| 01:56.58 | mirak | besides running the makefile and look what file are created I don't see how, however it's not really what I want |
| 01:57.09 | FrozenSpoon | hrm okay I've give this archive thing a shot.... |
| 01:57.12 | simonrvn | either in the bot, or a secondary script. |
| 01:57.12 | abrotman | simonrvn: eh? |
| 01:57.23 | abrotman | simonrvn: autopost? dpkg.vireo.org ? |
| 01:57.49 | simonrvn | make pages, etc. |
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| 01:58.13 | simonrvn | is watching GON pow-wow via webcast |
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| 01:58.42 | abrotman | simonrvn: so you want the bot to autogenerate wiki pages? |
| 01:59.13 | simonrvn | yeh, like i said, the bot, or some other one/script |
| 01:59.28 | abrotman | i think the dpkg web thing .. "kind of" does that .. |
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| 02:00.02 | abrotman | simonrvn: if the referenced factoids are in <xxx> .. it will link them |
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| 02:00.36 | simonrvn | oh nice |
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| 02:03.49 | simonrvn | abrotman: i was thinking more like a full-fledged page |
| 02:04.40 | abrotman | simonrvn: i don't see why it couldn't be done with some fancy coding .. you'd probably spend more time cleaning up factoids though :) |
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| 02:37.38 | xfurious | hello, it appears a user named judgepg is banned from here but hasnt been here before -- figured id pass the message so that a mod could contact him. thanks! have a wonderful day! |
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| 02:40.42 | wastrel | cute |
| 02:41.02 | dreamer | ok, this seems like a strange error: when reading man-pages on one of my boxes I can't scroll through them, only go down with space. I also can't search |
| 02:41.17 | abrotman | dreamer: is less installed? |
| 02:41.32 | dreamer | ah, no |
| 02:41.41 | dreamer | thnx |
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| 02:42.26 | dreamer | oops |
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| 02:56.29 | kanon-mat | less _is_more |
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| 03:04.09 | egzistansiyalize | how can i close some network protocols to be open or working?, i want only aviable for icmp,tcp,udp, i did a scan but i have ipcomp, ah,esp,gre are all open. |
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| 03:11.08 | kingsley | egzistansiyalize: I seem to recall that xinetd can close ports. |
| 03:11.25 | egzistansiyalize | not ports sire i meant protocols. |
| 03:12.57 | kingsley | egzistansiyalize: Oops. |
| 03:13.43 | kingsley | egzistansiyalize: Have you searched Google's indices for an answer, or asked on #networking? |
| 03:13.56 | egzistansiyalize | yes i did could not able to find. |
| 03:14.19 | egzistansiyalize | i wonder the reason being is the way i compile the kernel or its a default as it comes with debian auto packaged kernels. |
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| 03:23.26 | anoHito | [crit] (28)No space left on device: mod_rewrite: could not create rewrite_log_loc |
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| 03:23.39 | anoHito | /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libMagick.so.9) |
| 03:24.04 | anoHito | any idea ? after i upgraded php, apache stops working on port 80,but on other apache port is okay |
| 03:24.06 | DebLenny | I need help with Desktop Sharing, Debian 'Lenny' KDE 4 |
| 03:24.08 | martian67 | how do i tcpdump all traffic destined for any subdomain of a host |
| 03:24.14 | martian67 | it dosent seem possible |
| 03:24.42 | arvind_khadri | hark, hi you there? |
| 03:24.54 | DebLenny | Cannot find KInetD. The KDE daemon (kded) may have crashed or has not been started at all, or the installation failed. Whats up with this? |
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| 03:26.00 | DebLenny | I cannot seem to find KInetD or this kded in synaptic ... |
| 03:27.56 | arvind_khadri | hi, could anybody help me with this ? please http://paste.debian.net/34363/ |
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| 03:34.53 | guylhem_ | hello - is there a way to manually define a rootfilesystem on a mtd device, bypassing partman? I've got a prompt, I just need to finish the installation |
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| 03:38.14 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me what package i need for pthread manpages? |
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| 03:46.13 | darkbulb | how do I find out the motherboard revisioning level |
| 03:46.19 | darkbulb | from within debian |
| 03:46.30 | Rusty1 | http://linux.die.net/man/7/pthreads mischief6 any help? |
| 03:47.04 | mischief6 | yeah, i was already reading up on pthread_create on die.net |
| 03:47.10 | mischief6 | but i'd like a local copy :s |
| 03:47.20 | mischief6 | thanks though, Rusty1 |
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| 03:49.59 | jello | mischief6: apt-file search pthreads.7 |
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| 03:53.49 | hefner | anyone know how to install a printer without installing whatever magic gnome helper? the web interface won't accept my password, lpadmin gives me the finger, and whatever years old advice on the web about adding user 'cupsys' to the shaow group appears outdated (what 'cupsys' user?' |
| 03:54.04 | ajavid | hola que pasa |
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| 03:54.41 | Stanlin | halp!! where is the Kernel 2.6.17?? |
| 03:54.47 | ajavid | long gone |
| 03:55.11 | ajavid | !snapshot |
| 03:55.12 | dpkg | i guess snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
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| 03:55.31 | ajavid | nondebianized kernel can be gotten elsewhere |
| 03:55.32 | Stanlin | 2002 wow |
| 03:55.51 | ajavid | etch was released with 2.6.18 |
| 03:56.09 | ajavid | which is oldstable, and lenny is stable, with .26 |
| 03:56.17 | ajavid | why are you requiring .17? |
| 03:56.29 | Stanlin | and where is the Kernel 2.6.27?? |
| 03:57.01 | manu_hack | no 2.6.27 but 2.6.29 |
| 03:57.09 | ajavid | are are on crack? |
| 03:57.11 | ajavid | seriously |
| 03:57.14 | ajavid | I'm leaving. |
| 03:57.21 | Stanlin | oh 2.6.29... how to get it? |
| 03:57.26 | manu_hack | on sid |
| 03:57.35 | Stanlin | how to switch to testing? |
| 03:57.36 | ajavid | uhm |
| 03:57.42 | ajavid | dude, this is #debian |
| 03:57.45 | ajavid | wtf is going on |
| 03:57.54 | ajavid | uhm oops |
| 03:58.02 | Stanlin | looks at his VM... it says Debian.... |
| 03:58.05 | ajavid | where the fuck am I |
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| 03:58.56 | ajavid | alright, word. IRC seems normal again |
| 03:59.16 | ajavid | for some reason I came back to my irssi a few days later and my channels were not in the correct windows |
| 03:59.27 | ajavid | #2 is supposed to be #debian, and I dunno whatever. |
| 03:59.36 | manu_hack | ajavid: fun |
| 03:59.41 | Stanlin | how to switch to testing from lenny? |
| 03:59.44 | ajavid | I think my comptuer is possessed |
| 03:59.59 | ajavid | !lenny->squeeze |
| 04:00.05 | ajavid | well, ok, why do you want testing? |
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| 04:00.16 | ajavid | why is stable not good enough for you bro? |
| 04:00.25 | Stanlin | well ive installed... Virtualbox |
| 04:00.37 | Stanlin | and the Vbox tools is demanding.l.. the kernel .27 |
| 04:00.53 | ajavid | then don't use it |
| 04:00.54 | ajavid | it sucks |
| 04:01.09 | Stanlin | what is faster than vbox? |
| 04:01.13 | ajavid | are you using debian's pacakged version of vbox-ose? |
| 04:01.24 | ajavid | or the precompiled binaries from vbox? |
| 04:01.32 | Stanlin | ajavid: no, im using Oracle repositories |
| 04:01.35 | ajavid | because I assure you vbox-ose doesn't require |
| 04:01.40 | ajavid | then don't ask for support here please. |
| 04:01.51 | ajavid | visit vbox channel or oracle channel |
| 04:02.18 | Stanlin | NX is also asking .27 :( |
| 04:02.29 | ajavid | you like just sucks right now huh ;) |
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| 04:02.33 | ajavid | life* |
| 04:02.41 | ajavid | your |
| 04:02.44 | Stanlin | whats special about .26+ ? |
| 04:03.18 | Stanlin | yeah... this fancy programs demands to much... |
| 04:03.19 | ajavid | are you serious?: |
| 04:03.44 | ajavid | I mean how many programs man! |
| 04:03.47 | ajavid | is it more than 2? |
| 04:04.07 | ajavid | just use vbox from debian's archives |
| 04:04.18 | ajavid | whats the problem with that? |
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| 04:04.29 | Stanlin | bridging is bugged |
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| 04:04.47 | sprax | apparently bridging is bugged? |
| 04:04.52 | Manoj | well, have you filed a bug report? |
| 04:05.03 | ajavid | Stanlin, bug in the debian packatge? |
| 04:05.13 | Stanlin | the bug is there for months.... on the Vbox side |
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| 04:05.31 | ajavid | then its not a deb issue i think |
| 04:05.41 | ajavid | anyway, either use debian's package or be toast! |
| 04:05.53 | ajavid | pulls out his Enchanter Tim staff |
| 04:05.53 | Manoj | in that case, it is vbox that is sucking. Use kvm. |
| 04:06.03 | Stanlin | !lenny->squeeze |
| 04:06.08 | sprax | how is vbox sucking? |
| 04:06.16 | Stanlin | is kvm fast than vbox? |
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| 04:06.24 | ajavid | sprax, with a sucking like a vacuume |
| 04:06.28 | ajavid | like how you suck a lolipop |
| 04:06.33 | ajavid | I think |
| 04:06.46 | Manoj | sprax: if the bug is in vbox -- what else can it be? |
| 04:06.53 | sprax | I'm asking because I have Vbox running with up to 8 guests bridged on a single nic w/o issues |
| 04:07.10 | sprax | Manoj I joined late and was wondering about the back story is all |
| 04:07.13 | ajavid | I use vmware, but vbox in debian I have exp w with and its not fucked at all |
| 04:07.20 | ajavid | Manoj bhai |
| 04:07.22 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, http://paste.debian.net/34363/ could you please look into this ? |
| 04:07.28 | ajavid | arvind_khadri, gandu |
| 04:07.32 | ajavid | I mean hi :) |
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| 04:08.02 | arvind_khadri | ajavid, uhhhh, hi |
| 04:08.16 | ajavid | my point is this... he isn't using debian's pacakged of vbox, thus, no discussion need be discussed... |
| 04:08.29 | ajavid | my english su cks |
| 04:08.38 | Stanlin | !lenny to squezze |
| 04:08.42 | Manoj | arvind_khadri: seems like a failure ot install gdm |
| 04:08.49 | ajavid | Stanlin, here |
| 04:08.54 | sprax | afaik there is no debian package for vbox, you need to use their repository? |
| 04:09.18 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, ya am not able to set it right, it also says IO error |
| 04:09.21 | ajavid | Stanlin, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change every occurance of stable or lenny with testing or squeeze and aptitude update, and aptitude full-upgrade |
| 04:09.21 | Stanlin | kernel panic, not syncing |
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| 04:09.32 | Manoj | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.41 | Stanlin | ajavid: aahhh like in the old times, Thanks!! |
| 04:09.48 | Manoj | arvind_khadri: so, do a df -h /usr/lib |
| 04:09.49 | ajavid | Stanlin, always |
| 04:09.57 | Stanlin | i tho was something fancy... |
| 04:09.57 | ajavid | Stanlin, and you're welcome |
| 04:10.05 | ajavid | nah, its the same old stuff :) |
| 04:10.10 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, aah, why df ? |
| 04:10.25 | Stanlin | if i manage to boot ... i got kernel panic now :( |
| 04:10.50 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, there is still lots of place left |
| 04:11.06 | Manoj | arvind_khadri: well, then there seems to be an issue with your drive |
| 04:11.10 | ajavid | we're getting lots of indian people in here recently |
| 04:11.15 | ajavid | thats good |
| 04:11.16 | Manoj | arvind_khadri: hardware failure, perhaps? |
| 04:11.23 | ajavid | I thought I was the only lonely one |
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| 04:11.42 | ajavid | !seen rahul |
| 04:11.42 | dpkg | rahul <~rahul@123.236.187.105> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 53d 11h 30m 32s ago, saying: 'audio does not work, some part of lsmod > snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device'. |
| 04:11.48 | Manoj | ajavid: technically, I am amaerican |
| 04:11.58 | ajavid | we're Earth people |
| 04:12.04 | Manoj | American, even, darn you, fingers |
| 04:12.06 | ajavid | soon we'll be earthians |
| 04:12.23 | ajavid | you WILL conform to one global planetary gov system soon |
| 04:12.30 | ajavid | well, maybe your great grandkids will |
| 04:12.34 | manu_hack | when? |
| 04:12.34 | ajavid | but soon! |
| 04:12.43 | Manoj | arvind_khadri: you need to figure out why it fauled to write to /usr/lib |
| 04:13.05 | Manoj | arvind_khadri: what was the alst time the partition was fsck'd? |
| 04:13.22 | ajavid | europeon union, africa, now the north american union, one continent, one gov. and then they'll combine the gov and form a planetary system, its just human evolution, it will happen eventually |
| 04:13.27 | ajavid | but thats OT |
| 04:13.27 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, a few days back, it was done automatically |
| 04:13.39 | ajavid | but anyway, I have no sound in my box |
| 04:14.12 | ajavid | I have kde4 on debian testing and I've got sound in kde startup/shutdown, but no sound in mplayer or amarok or anywhere, it says my audio device doesn't work or does't exist |
| 04:14.26 | ajavid | but kde4 makes a noise on startup and shutdown, I truned of all kde sounds and everything |
| 04:14.30 | ajavid | no dice |
| 04:14.41 | ajavid | any ideas on whats going on? I've got ALC882A chipset |
| 04:15.12 | Manoj | arvind_khadri: well, what does the director look like? ls- als /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/ |
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| 04:16.36 | manu_hack | ajavid: I also tried kde4, but removed it right away after trying it, it sucks |
| 04:16.36 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, http://paste.debian.net/34417/ |
| 04:17.00 | ajavid | manu_hack, nah, its pretty alright now |
| 04:17.03 | ajavid | it used to suck |
| 04:17.13 | ajavid | it still sucks a 10% maybe |
| 04:17.34 | ajavid | but its gotten better overtime |
| 04:17.42 | ajavid | by kde 4.5 it will be freakin sweet |
| 04:17.51 | mosno | ajavid: it's not in lenny, it doesn't exist ;-) |
| 04:17.54 | ajavid | mature, worked out, less bugs etc. etc. |
| 04:17.56 | Manoj | arvind_khadri: Yup, your hard drive is all messed up |
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| 04:17.59 | ajavid | mosno, course it does |
| 04:18.04 | Manoj | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.09 | ajavid | ever heard of building from higher source packags? |
| 04:18.10 | ajavid | !ssb |
| 04:18.11 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 04:18.13 | mosno | ajavid: hence the wink, dude |
| 04:18.17 | ajavid | plus |
| 04:18.24 | ajavid | you don't have to backport for testing really |
| 04:18.30 | ajavid | mabye rarely when verions conflict |
| 04:18.32 | ajavid | for libs |
| 04:18.45 | mosno | ajavid: don't make me whoosh you |
| 04:18.46 | ajavid | but for the most part testing/unstable are interchangeable in non system critical packages |
| 04:19.00 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, aaah, so i do a fsck ? |
| 04:19.00 | ajavid | I will open up a can of whoopass on your ass |
| 04:19.01 | ajavid | man |
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| 04:19.08 | ajavid | word |
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| 04:19.25 | Manoj | arvind_khadri: yup. and hope that fixes it. |
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| 04:19.45 | ajavid | mosno, yeh, I have always just not noticed smiley faces ever |
| 04:19.45 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, drop to init level 1 and then back to 3 for X right? |
| 04:19.56 | ajavid | mosno, to me they are just filler, but yes I see it now, I didn't before |
| 04:20.09 | Manoj | arvind_khadri: yup. umount usr before you fsck it |
| 04:20.12 | mosno | ajavid: lol |
| 04:20.23 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, ya sure :) |
| 04:20.28 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, see you soon |
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| 04:20.59 | ajavid | my roommates brothers name was manoj |
| 04:21.02 | ajavid | he was from banaras |
| 04:21.11 | ajavid | banarsi babu |
| 04:21.14 | ajavid | babu ji |
| 04:21.42 | Babu_Jee | :D |
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| 04:22.14 | Stanlin | Virtualbox requires Linux 2.6.27 or later for this. |
| 04:22.42 | Babu_Jee | no more boozin' for me |
| 04:22.46 | Babu_Jee | im about to pass out |
| 04:22.47 | Babu_Jee | nite |
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| 04:28.04 | Stanlin | what kernel has testing? |
| 04:28.41 | adb | judd: versions linux-image |
| 04:28.41 | judd | adb: linux-image -- |
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| 04:30.11 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, doesnt help |
| 04:30.16 | sussudio | stupid videocard. |
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| 04:32.54 | Manoj | arvind_khadri: well, if the file system is messed up beyond the ability of fsck to clear it up, that is usually an indication that one needs to buy a new drive |
| 04:32.55 | Stanlin | ok moved to testing |
| 04:33.00 | mazzanet | what's that tool that automagically creates a .deb from a source tree? |
| 04:33.43 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, it was working fine.... this is absurd... |
| 04:34.39 | Manoj | arvind_khadri: you realize hardware often works fine just before it fails |
| 04:35.05 | Manoj | but, you could try removing the mosules dir and see what that gets you |
| 04:35.33 | dondelelcaro | mazzanet: dh-make or checkinstall |
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| 04:37.11 | Stanlin | i dont see any new kernel in testing |
| 04:39.08 | Stanlin | im sleepy but im to lazzy to go bed |
| 04:39.14 | centHOGG | heh |
| 04:39.31 | mazzanet | checkinstall |
| 04:39.32 | mazzanet | that's the one |
| 04:39.33 | mazzanet | ta |
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| 04:44.09 | adb | Stanlin: linux-image-2.6.29 is there |
| 04:46.54 | Stanlin | ok rebooting from the sake of the test |
| 04:47.02 | centHOGG | <3c509 |
| 04:47.13 | Stanlin | adb: could you pastebin the sources.list plz ? |
| 04:47.32 | adb | for i686 ? |
| 04:47.40 | Stanlin | yea |
| 04:47.41 | Stanlin | x32 |
| 04:47.59 | adb | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.29-1-686_2.6.29-3_i386.deb |
| 04:48.13 | Stanlin | thank you! |
| 04:48.15 | adb | wget it |
| 04:48.27 | adb | dpkg -i "it" |
| 04:48.27 | dpkg | package "it" is already installed |
| 04:48.38 | adb | yw |
| 04:48.53 | Stanlin | Thank you a lot |
| 04:49.09 | adb | np |
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| 04:55.18 | gewt2 | fun |
| 04:55.26 | gewt2 | my debian VPS is unresponsive |
| 04:55.30 | gewt2 | i typed something |
| 04:55.35 | gewt2 | and it does it 10 minutes later |
| 04:55.51 | gewt2 | because of someones retarded failure |
| 04:56.07 | Stanlin | ive switched to testing, but the kernel 2.6.27+ aint showing up |
| 04:56.38 | gewt2 | whats the sysrq key to kill all but init? |
| 04:57.30 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, i tried removing it, but it says the same |
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| 04:58.49 | Manoj | arvind_khadri: still smells like a hardware failure to me |
| 04:59.16 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, fsck -t ext3 /dev/sdax ? |
| 04:59.36 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, is that correct ... or anything else needed ? |
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| 05:00.14 | Manoj | arvind_khadri: I tend to use fsck.ext3 |
| 05:00.35 | arvind_khadri | Manoj, makes no difference according to pages |
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| 05:00.45 | Manoj | but that is not your problem, I think |
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| 05:03.09 | gewt2 | the vps is algingn so much |
| 05:03.15 | gewt2 | ssh connections are being closed |
| 05:03.18 | gewt2 | and i cn't login |
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| 05:03.59 | gewt2 | >< |
| 05:04.10 | gewt2 | TELL ME THE SYSRQ KEY TO KILL EVERYTHING BUT INIT |
| 05:04.23 | gewt2 | and dont give me the "google it yoruself" crap |
| 05:04.27 | gewt2 | im not in the mood |
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| 05:05.11 | tux91 | Is there a way to install Sid from a flash drive? |
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| 05:05.38 | peterrooney | gewt2: then you are not in the mood to accept help from #debian |
| 05:05.52 | gewt2 | of course youd be useless. |
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| 05:05.58 | Manoj | gewt2: for someone asking for help, that is a prtty rough language |
| 05:06.21 | Manoj | bah. he left |
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| 05:08.17 | tux91 | anybody? no?( |
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| 05:08.35 | Stanlin | tux91: maybe try pxe? |
| 05:09.07 | tux91 | Stanlin: what's that? |
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| 05:12.30 | tux91 | Also, I've heard that you can choose the debian branch when installing in expert mode, but I didn't notice this option while installing. Does this not work anymore? |
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| 05:15.17 | Manoj | tux91: perhaps the release notes is what you shoudl look at? |
| 05:15.33 | tux91 | Manoj: exactly which ones? |
| 05:16.02 | jello | tux91: yes, install lenny from usb then upgrade to sid |
| 05:16.11 | Stanlin | tux91: are you installing debian on a gEEEyPC? |
| 05:16.20 | tux91 | Stanlin: no |
| 05:16.28 | Manoj | tux91: corresponding to whatever installer you are using |
| 05:16.48 | tux91 | jello: this breaks things though, I'd wanna go straight to sid |
| 05:18.56 | tux91 | So, what if I install lenny(standard system only), then change my sources.list to sid, then upgrade, and then use tasksel to install desktop environment + laptop? what command should I use to upgrade? dist-upgrade or safe-upgrade? |
| 05:20.22 | jello | tux91: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 05:20.30 | jello | that'll get you lenny |
| 05:20.32 | Manoj | dist |
| 05:21.00 | jello | then edit sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:21.11 | tux91 | jello: that will get me lenny??!! |
| 05:21.32 | tux91 | should i go with aptitude upgrade or apt-get upgrade? Or does it not matter? |
| 05:21.36 | jello | tux91: yes, that url tells you how to set up d-i on a usb stick |
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| 05:22.33 | tux91 | jello: see, I already have lenny on my usb. I just wanna go to sid and not have a lot of stuff broken |
| 05:23.30 | Manoj | tux91: if you are asking these questions, you are not ready for Sid |
| 05:23.33 | jello | tux91: so, install lenny then upgrade to squeeze |
| 05:23.43 | jello | don't bother with sid |
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| 05:24.05 | tux91 | Manoj: what was the exact question that made you think I'm not ready for sid? |
| 05:24.22 | Arrowmaster | that you are asking questions |
| 05:24.31 | jello | tux91: you should start with squeeze first |
| 05:24.39 | jello | then if you find you must, upgrade to sid |
| 05:24.43 | Manoj | tux91: most of them |
| 05:24.46 | jello | squeeze is pretty close to sid |
| 05:24.54 | Stanlin | tux91: Sid is forbidden for you |
| 05:24.55 | tux91 | jello: then I'll have everything broken |
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| 05:25.03 | jello | tux91: why do you think that? |
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| 05:25.17 | tux91 | jello: it's not close, it's got old intel drivers, old kernel, old compiz, old everything |
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| 05:25.42 | Arrowmaster | but it works |
| 05:26.27 | tux91 | jello: because I already have everything broken |
| 05:26.34 | jello | tux91: give it a week or so and that stuff should catch up |
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| 05:26.54 | jello | it's only b/c sid just opened up fairly recently... |
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| 05:27.19 | tux91 | By going to sid, I got gnome package deleted. Now it offers to remove every gnome app. And I can't install gnome either cause there's a conflict |
| 05:27.20 | Jewfro-Macabbi | why are you all afraid of sid? my server runs sid |
| 05:27.25 | Stanlin | tux91: do you think SID is something like Debian Ultimate ?? |
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| 05:27.34 | tux91 | Guess I'll go with ubuntu |
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| 05:27.49 | Manoj | Jewfro-Macabbi: if you run sid, you should be able to deal with stuff that breaks |
| 05:27.51 | jello | Jewfro-Macabbi: it's not scary, just requires hand-holding |
| 05:28.15 | Datz | Hello, when I search for thing with the synaptic package manager, the search is very limited. It won't find apache2. THis is a fresh install, do I need to add reposistories? |
| 05:28.19 | Manoj | Jewfro-Macabbi: it does not happen often, but sometimes, when it breaks, it is a doozy |
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| 05:28.47 | Jewfro-Macabbi | Manoj, Jello, Yeah - that's true and fair. But it's less rick for a desktop. And also - that's how I learned to fix broken things |
| 05:28.52 | Jewfro-Macabbi | by trying beta stuff |
| 05:28.55 | Jewfro-Macabbi | and fixing broken stuff |
| 05:29.40 | Manoj | Datz: well, apache2 is in main, so any main repo should have it |
| 05:30.14 | Datz | Manoj: I don't get it, only 5 items show up when looking for apache2 |
| 05:30.43 | Datz | At first, when trying to install, it was asking for a cd, but I disabled that. |
| 05:31.21 | Datz | I have Download From set to main server.. |
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| 05:31.43 | Manoj | so paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:31.50 | mischief6 | hey reZo. :> |
| 05:31.54 | Manoj | (not on the channel) |
| 05:32.05 | Datz | ok, finding. :) |
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| 05:33.16 | reZo | sup mischief6 |
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| 05:35.22 | Datzilla | Manoj: http://pastebin.com/m50d3cca0 |
| 05:36.00 | Datz | get rid of the cdrom I guess |
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| 05:36.31 | martin_ | grrrrrrrrrrrrrr! soundcard stopped working |
| 05:36.48 | Datz | oh, I see that is commented out anyways |
| 05:36.53 | streuner | martin_: new kernel (custom)? :-) |
| 05:36.56 | martin_ | nope |
| 05:37.20 | martin_ | I have made no changes to my system. some wine thing went defunct. so I logged out and back in |
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| 05:37.30 | dacs | howdy folks |
| 05:37.36 | martin_ | now when i got to kmix there are no options |
| 05:37.45 | centHOGG | bobby jindal? |
| 05:37.48 | Manoj | Datz: what does 'apt-cache search apache2 | wc -l ' return? |
| 05:38.18 | Datzilla | 5 |
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| 05:39.08 | Manoj | Datz: Hmm. I get 115 |
| 05:39.49 | dacs | every time i shutdown my laptop and i turn it back on, i have to sudo ifup eth1 , were eth1 is my wireless! how can i avoid doing that? |
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| 05:40.23 | Datzilla | Manoj, I don't know what that means anyhow.. |
| 05:40.30 | Manoj | Datz: ok, so add a couple more mirrors for lenny -- though http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ should be kosher |
| 05:40.58 | Alam_Lenny | do you have a line "auto eth1" in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:40.59 | Manoj | Datzilla: the wc -l counts how many lines were returned by apt-cache |
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| 05:41.54 | Datzilla | Manoj: Ok, :) |
| 05:42.19 | dacs | Manoj: i love your name, back home my dad had an indian dude working for him and his name was Manoj, he was very smart guy and i liked 'em so much |
| 05:42.20 | streuner | martin_: ALSA? |
| 05:42.32 | martin_ | It's just a default lenny install, less than a week old |
| 05:42.37 | martin_ | well, it's not a default, |
| 05:42.47 | martin_ | i installed via small cd, then installed kde, fluxbox ,other things, |
| 05:42.51 | martin_ | but it was working today |
| 05:42.54 | Stanlin | anyone uses Debian as VM with Vbox?? |
| 05:42.57 | Datzilla | Manoj, not sure what exactly to do, add some ftp URL's from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt ? |
| 05:43.11 | martin_ | then upon logging out and back in to kill some wine process |
| 05:43.19 | Datzilla | I am not on AMD64 thought |
| 05:43.25 | Datzilla | though* |
| 05:43.33 | dacs | every time i shutdown my laptop and i turn it back on, i have to sudo ifup eth1 , were eth1 is my wireless! how can i avoid doing that? |
| 05:43.44 | Alam_Lenny | dacs, do you have a line "auto eth1" in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:43.50 | centHOGG | yup |
| 05:43.59 | dacs | Alam_Lenny: yes |
| 05:44.44 | streuner | martin_: show us the output of "ls -l /proc/asound" in paste.debian.net please |
| 05:44.58 | dacs | Alam_Lenny: I take that back, no i don't have? |
| 05:45.19 | martin_ | i checked in dmesg and some logs in /var/log but didn't find anything peculiur, but i'm not sure what to specifically look for. ok, brb |
| 05:46.15 | martin_ | http://paste.debian.net/34419/ |
| 05:46.47 | Manoj | Datzilla: there was also a package called apt-spy, I think, that figured out the fastest mirrors to update from ⦠|
| 05:47.00 | Alam_Lenny | dacs, is your interface file config to setup your wireless config or do you have an another program/service that does that? |
| 05:47.07 | martin_ | streuner: ^^ |
| 05:47.17 | streuner | martin_: hm, that looks ok to me |
| 05:47.27 | martin_ | ok |
| 05:47.48 | martin_ | any other ideas of where I should check? |
| 05:47.57 | streuner | martin_: are you running KDE? |
| 05:48.02 | martin_ | no, fluxbox right now |
| 05:48.03 | cahoot | run speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 05:48.17 | dacs | Alam_Lenny: i added auto eth1. I have my WEP key in my interfaces file |
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| 05:48.31 | martin_ | speakerPlayback open error: -2,No such file or directory |
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| 05:48.46 | Datzilla | Manoj: I reloaded package information. I think that did the trick |
| 05:49.11 | cahoot | martin_: alsa force-reload; invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 ; speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
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| 05:49.45 | Datzilla | Manoj: I guess that should be done automatically the first time the package manager is opened. |
| 05:49.54 | gaintsura | has anyone used sendxmpp? Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /usr/share/perl5/XML/Stream.pm line 1165. <- I keep getting that when I run sendxmpp |
| 05:50.15 | martin_ | woohoo! |
| 05:50.25 | martin_ | thanks, now i hear sweet sweet speaker testing |
| 05:50.31 | gaintsura | and also Use of uninitialized value $val in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/bin/sendxmpp line 187. <- |
| 05:50.35 | Alam_Lenny | dacs, ok, the auto line should fix it, but why are you using WEP? |
| 05:51.52 | dacs | Alam_Lenny: i always have hard time setting upWAP |
| 05:53.16 | streuner | cahoot: why is this tric not in dpkg? |
| 05:54.08 | martin_ | OOOh, streuner / cahoot ... tried mplayer, and i think it gave me more info... |
| 05:54.11 | martin_ | can't access /dev/sdp |
| 05:54.15 | martin_ | err, /dev/dsp |
| 05:54.23 | Alam_Lenny | use "wpa-drvier wap" "wpa-ssid foobar" "wpa-bssid 00:00:00:00:00:00" and "wpa-psk wpa_passphrase"; use wpa_passphrase sidd passpashe to get what to pass to wpa-psk for your interface file |
| 05:54.30 | martin_ | also cannot find card0 |
| 05:55.01 | streuner | dsp is OSS ... |
| 05:55.06 | martin_ | mplayer output -> http://paste.debian.net/34420/ |
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| 05:55.33 | martin_ | even with -ao alsa gave same error |
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| 05:56.05 | dacs | Alam_Lenny: i will note this, as i am doing some other sutff and i don't want to get side track |
| 05:56.32 | gaintsura | has anyone gotten sendxmpp to work? I keep getting program errors... http://pastie.org/458447 I made the ~/.sendxmpprc file, added the sendfrom@email.address:port mypass and even tried differentiating options on the commandline... http://pastie.org/458447 |
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| 05:57.04 | tame | The folder "DirectX" cannot be handled because you do not have permissions to read it. what is the meaning opf this? |
| 05:57.30 | centHOGG | welcome to linux |
| 05:57.43 | tame | but im root! |
| 05:57.49 | tame | i dont get it |
| 05:58.11 | centHOGG | where is the folder located |
| 05:58.18 | centHOGG | thru cifs? |
| 05:58.30 | tame | its on a dvd |
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| 05:59.42 | centHOGG | tame: do you have access to other folders on that dvd |
| 05:59.57 | tame | i can view them, i just cant copy and paste them |
| 06:00.23 | Sashi | hey quick question |
| 06:00.23 | centHOGG | :ls -l |
| 06:00.51 | centHOGG | to see the owner |
| 06:00.57 | centHOGG | sure |
| 06:02.10 | tame | ls -l doesnt tell me the owner |
| 06:02.17 | gaintsura | should |
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| 06:02.20 | centHOGG | for any of the files |
| 06:02.21 | gaintsura | root : udev |
| 06:02.25 | gaintsura | or root : root |
| 06:02.49 | tame | here is what i get: |
| 06:02.51 | tame | total 1412 |
| 06:02.51 | tame | drwx------ 2 503 dialout 492 2008-11-07 14:33 DirectX |
| 06:02.51 | tame | -rwx------ 1 503 dialout 1442088 2008-11-07 14:33 Installer.exe |
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| 06:03.04 | centHOGG | gaintsura on a higher level than me :) |
| 06:03.24 | centHOGG | somebody named dialout |
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| 06:03.49 | meoblast001 | hi |
| 06:03.52 | dacs | what is a like secureCRT for lenny? |
| 06:03.52 | streuner | martin_: dsp is OSS |
| 06:04.15 | dacs | !OSS |
| 06:04.15 | dpkg | methinks oss is an acronym for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very <non-free> and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. (www.4front-tech.com for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the <Halloween> document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels (see <ALSA> for 2.6 info). OldSchoolSound |
| 06:04.20 | meoblast001 | i'm trying to build a kernel from the source at kernel.org but i want to make a deb and i can't find a way to do it that actually makes deb diffs and compiles it the way i want |
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| 06:04.30 | streuner | martin_: for some reason it wants to use OSS, you are using prolly ALSA |
| 06:04.30 | martin_ | I know OSS |
| 06:04.36 | streuner | fine |
| 06:04.40 | martin_ | i don't know where the change would've happendd |
| 06:05.06 | adb | !tell meoblast001 about k-p |
| 06:05.33 | centHOGG | brb |
| 06:05.42 | meoblast001 | adb: i used make-kpkg but that doesn't give me a lot of control |
| 06:05.46 | dacs | what is a like secureCRT for lenny? |
| 06:05.50 | meoblast001 | it appends it's own names and descriptions |
| 06:05.53 | meoblast001 | and makes no deb diffs |
| 06:06.14 | adb | deb diffs ? |
| 06:06.21 | streuner | martin_: try "modprobe snd_pcm_oss" |
| 06:06.22 | mosno | dacs: there are a whole bunch of terminal emulators |
| 06:06.39 | meoblast001 | adb: yeah.... you get those when you make debs |
| 06:06.43 | streuner | martin_: PCM OSS emulation for ALSA. |
| 06:06.44 | dacs | mosno: i am looking for one with the tab feature |
| 06:06.50 | mosno | dacs: what tab feature? |
| 06:07.08 | dacs | mosno: hmmm, like FF |
| 06:07.22 | mosno | dacs: gnome-terminal, xfce4-terminal, konsole, ... |
| 06:07.33 | martin_ | ok, just a sec |
| 06:07.48 | martin_ | nada |
| 06:07.52 | gaintsura | centHOGG tame add yourself to the group dialout... |
| 06:07.55 | gaintsura | err |
| 06:07.56 | gaintsura | yeah |
| 06:08.08 | dacs | mosno: secureCRT will let you open different session in dif tabs |
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| 06:08.17 | streuner | martin_: what does "nada" mean in this case? |
| 06:08.25 | meoblast001 | adb: like... if i download something from kernel.org and modify and debianize it, and you want to produce the same results as my modification, you download the package from kernel.org and merge in my debdiff |
| 06:08.39 | martin_ | n ooutput |
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| 06:09.12 | centHOGG | gaintsura: i have probably the most simplest linux question for you (blush) |
| 06:09.31 | martin_ | who is linux torvalds? |
| 06:09.32 | streuner | martin_: did you reboot this box since this happened (no sound) yet? |
| 06:09.35 | martin_ | yes |
| 06:09.41 | centHOGG | gaintsura: how do you from cmdline delete files in another directory without going to that directory |
| 06:09.50 | gaintsura | rm -rf /path/to/that/directory/ |
| 06:09.52 | centHOGG | almost |
| 06:09.59 | centHOGG | are you sure |
| 06:10.02 | gaintsura | or rm -rf ../../path/to/directory/ |
| 06:10.11 | streuner | martin_: kernel guru |
| 06:10.15 | centHOGG | i swear that didn't work for me |
| 06:10.22 | gaintsura | what did it say? |
| 06:10.25 | mosno | dacs: i'm not sure if any Debian terminal emulators do "sessions" like SecureCRT does... |
| 06:10.30 | martin_ | streuner: Im j/k. he said he had a noob question :) |
| 06:10.31 | gaintsura | does the directory contain spaces or special chars? |
| 06:10.33 | dacs | mosno: so you understand what i mean |
| 06:10.36 | mosno | dacs: maybe putty |
| 06:10.37 | centHOGG | i was trying to delete files from a /temp folder |
| 06:10.37 | martin_ | I met monty today |
| 06:10.43 | martin_ | monty of mysql |
| 06:10.47 | mosno | dacs: yea |
| 06:10.49 | adb | meoblast001: i don't get it , try other help |
| 06:10.49 | martin_ | err, now mariadb |
| 06:10.51 | centHOGG | so: rm -rf *.* /temp |
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| 06:11.05 | gaintsura | no |
| 06:11.10 | dacs | centHOGG: or no need for /temp lol |
| 06:11.13 | gaintsura | rm -rf /temp/*.* |
| 06:11.18 | centHOGG | oh yeah |
| 06:11.19 | martin_ | you don't need the f if it's not a directory, and single * will work |
| 06:11.20 | gaintsura | or temp/* |
| 06:11.21 | centHOGG | blush |
| 06:11.41 | martin_ | wait, is -r for dir deleting? or -f? |
| 06:11.43 | centHOGG | <working alot in dos last week |
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| 06:12.17 | martin_ | oh, centHOGG , don't use -r if you only want to delete files |
| 06:12.22 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 06:12.58 | gaintsura | -r is recursive, -f is to force it |
| 06:13.07 | meoblast001 | adb: the #kernel people told me to ask here |
| 06:13.17 | gaintsura | but if you are clearing your temp folder, you could to -rf |
| 06:13.33 | centHOGG | gonna try using ethtool tomorrow on a 3c509 |
| 06:14.43 | centHOGG | thx |
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| 06:15.49 | dacs | any cisco guys here |
| 06:15.53 | dacs | ? |
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| 06:16.31 | centHOGG | <dd-wrt on a WRH54G (bet that doesn't count) |
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| 06:16.40 | gaintsura | Arrrrr there must be a good good guide on configuring courier as a full mail server *bashing head on desk* |
| 06:16.59 | Datz | humm, with the default browser, localhost gets a unknown file type, where the local address works to bring up apache page. Is there a problem using localhost with default browser? |
| 06:17.36 | gaintsura | Datz, sounds more like a problem with your /etc/hosts file |
| 06:17.54 | Datz | I see |
| 06:18.10 | xingu | dacs: I've been known to fiddle with them from time to time |
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| 06:18.33 | dacs | xingu: so what you use to telnet to a router or a switch |
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| 06:18.50 | Stanlin | what is the name of the Terminal package? |
| 06:18.51 | Datz | gaintsura: anything to do with vmware? |
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| 06:19.03 | gaintsura | Datz: explain your setup first |
| 06:19.04 | Quazar | hi all, is there anyone here that knows how to use kismet? |
| 06:19.05 | cast | i guess the answer isn't "telnet" then |
| 06:19.06 | centHOGG | yes |
| 06:19.09 | xingu | dacs: is this a trick question? :) |
| 06:19.19 | Stanlin | what is the best Terminal ? |
| 06:19.27 | cast | Stanlin: the one you like most. |
| 06:19.31 | gaintsura | terminals are terminals.. |
| 06:19.35 | xingu | dacs: ssh where I can, telnet where not. |
| 06:19.38 | centHOGG | putty for windows |
| 06:19.39 | Datz | gaintsura: debian is installed in Vware |
| 06:19.43 | gaintsura | ok |
| 06:19.45 | Stanlin | must be an terminal that rulez them all |
| 06:19.48 | centHOGG | ha |
| 06:19.53 | cast | an terminal you say |
| 06:20.15 | dacs | xingu: no, i can't seem to find any linux like for secureCRT! which i use a lot when i am at work |
| 06:20.21 | gaintsura | Datz: and you're trying to access the apache server (on debian, in VM) from the virtual machine or from your system? |
| 06:20.25 | Quazar | Anyone? |
| 06:20.40 | Datz | gaintsura: first line in /etc/hosts -> 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 06:20.47 | centHOGG | fine |
| 06:21.01 | Datz | gaintsura: trying to access it from within the virtual machine |
| 06:21.05 | gaintsura | hm |
| 06:21.11 | gaintsura | and apache is on the virtual machine? |
| 06:21.16 | Datz | yes |
| 06:21.28 | gaintsura | hm |
| 06:21.28 | streuner | martin_: iam out of ideas, just reboot and try aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav then |
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| 06:21.35 | centHOGG | 127.0.1.1 (whatever your name is) |
| 06:22.18 | Datz | me? |
| 06:22.18 | centHOGG | yup |
| 06:22.18 | dacs | thats it , am going to bed |
| 06:22.18 | Datz | Ok, let me try. :) |
| 06:22.18 | dacs | yawn! |
| 06:22.18 | centHOGG | 127.0.0.1 is localhost |
| 06:22.18 | xingu | dacs: I just use boring old gnometerm/xterm/dtterm/whatever with the command line ssh/telnet variant; not sure what other value securecrt adds for you |
| 06:22.25 | dacs | centHOGG: thats not true |
| 06:22.33 | centHOGG | lemme check |
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| 06:22.38 | dacs | centHOGG: 127.0.0.1 is a loopback |
| 06:22.43 | centHOGG | yeah correct |
| 06:22.46 | martin_ | ok |
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| 06:23.04 | Datz | centHOGG: same problem. |
| 06:23.11 | centHOGG | on mine i have localhost |
| 06:23.16 | dacs | centHOGG: 0.0.0.0 is your local host |
| 06:23.20 | Quazar | Bitches =p |
| 06:23.46 | centHOGG | Datz: ok you are trying to access apache on that very same machine with its browser right? |
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| 06:23.51 | Datz | yes |
| 06:24.01 | centHOGG | and ip works fine |
| 06:24.03 | centHOGG | right |
| 06:24.08 | Datz | localhost doesn't work, but 192.168.0.8 does |
| 06:24.12 | streuner | martin_: wait, do you have alsa-utils installed? |
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| 06:24.23 | streuner | martin_: thats lenny? |
| 06:24.32 | centHOGG | ok, ping your name in terminal |
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| 06:24.52 | martin_ | let me check |
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| 06:25.05 | dacs | can't open his eyes anymore |
| 06:25.15 | dacs | nighty everyone |
| 06:25.15 | Datz | centHOGG: you want output? |
| 06:25.16 | martin_ | streuner: it is lenny, and alsa-utils is installed |
| 06:25.16 | gaintsura | too high? |
| 06:25.16 | gigo | a quick question. Does the Debian 5.0 installer doesn't show an option to format a partition as 'ntfs' ? |
| 06:25.28 | gaintsura | O.o |
| 06:25.29 | centHOGG | Datz: ok, but could you ping your name |
| 06:25.33 | Datz | yes |
| 06:25.52 | streuner | martin_: hm, try "alsaconf" as root then |
| 06:25.56 | centHOGG | Datz: ok, so I'm guessing its TCP |
| 06:26.00 | martin_ | what's the apt equivilant of "rpm -qa" |
| 06:26.40 | streuner | i guess q stands for query, but should a means? |
| 06:26.46 | centHOGG | Datz: you have a firewall up |
| 06:26.49 | centHOGG | ? |
| 06:27.02 | martin_ | sorry, it lists all the rpm files installed, included those installed by yum |
| 06:27.02 | meoblast001 | i'm trying to build a kernel from the source at kernel.org but i want to make a deb and i can't find a way to do it that actually makes deb diffs and compiles it the way i want... can anyone help me with that? |
| 06:27.15 | Datz | centHOGG: I guess only if one is active by defalt with debian, I am on a fresh install |
| 06:27.18 | martin_ | streuner: do I need to reboot after alsaconf? |
| 06:27.25 | martin_ | or restart x |
| 06:27.27 | streuner | no |
| 06:27.30 | centHOGG | Datz: ok : iptables -L |
| 06:27.31 | Datz | centHOGG: 127.0.0.1 works to bring up the page too. |
| 06:27.35 | centHOGG | good |
| 06:27.57 | Datz | centHOGG: you want output? |
| 06:28.01 | centHOGG | sure |
| 06:28.07 | streuner | martin_: ah, query all installed packages, dpkg -l |
| 06:28.08 | centHOGG | if its down that is good |
| 06:28.22 | Datz | logs in to IRC on the VM |
| 06:28.34 | streuner | martin_: forget reboot |
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| 06:28.43 | martin_ | ok |
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| 06:28.49 | martin_ | i tried mplayer and same error |
| 06:29.15 | streuner | but the output of alsaconf is ok? |
| 06:30.07 | martin_ | was alsaconf supposed to play a sound? it seemed to work fine, no erors |
| 06:30.12 | Datzilla | centHOGG : http://pastebin.com/m60af7aac |
| 06:30.37 | Datzilla | (its me, Datz) |
| 06:30.42 | Datzilla | :P |
| 06:31.20 | streuner | martin_: try aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav then |
| 06:31.50 | centHOGG | Datzilla: you good but a couple of things PM me |
| 06:32.10 | Datz | k |
| 06:32.21 | AMDFreak | meoblast001: i think you search for kernel-package |
| 06:32.46 | meoblast001 | AMDFreak: would that be make-kpkg? |
| 06:32.49 | martin_ | mostly same error as mplayer, can't find card 0 |
| 06:32.54 | AMDFreak | yes |
| 06:33.08 | martin_ | nothing about /dev/dsp |
| 06:33.17 | AMDFreak | meoblast001: in this package you still find make-kpkg |
| 06:33.20 | martin_ | maybe mplayer defaults to oss after alsa fails? |
| 06:33.32 | streuner | martin_: no |
| 06:33.36 | gigo | Does the Debian 5.0 installer not show an option to format a partition as 'ntfs' ? |
| 06:33.54 | streuner | martin_: did you plug some USB device into that box, by any chance? |
| 06:33.55 | meoblast001 | AMDFreak: make-kpkg doesn't produce deb diffs and it doesn't let me modify the control files before it builds the debs |
| 06:33.59 | martin_ | ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' |
| 06:34.04 | enouf | !xingu++ |
| 06:34.13 | enouf | just ftfoi |
| 06:34.43 | enouf | martin_: unstall alsautils |
| 06:34.50 | martin_ | ummm |
| 06:34.51 | enouf | martin_: er install alsautils |
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| 06:35.11 | martin_ | a usb stick, but that was last night? last night I also updated my arduino |
| 06:35.21 | enouf | cat /proc/asound/{cards,modules} |
| 06:35.23 | martin_ | enouf: it's installed |
| 06:35.28 | streuner | good, just unplug that first and reboot |
| 06:35.57 | enouf | martin_: does lsmod | grep snd_mixer show pcm as well as mixer? |
| 06:36.59 | martin_ | yes |
| 06:37.08 | enouf | martin_: does alsamixer load? if so, hit '/' and pastebin |
| 06:37.18 | AMDFreak | meoblast001: then you search for dh_make and dpkg-dev and so on |
| 06:37.24 | martin_ | {cards 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia |
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| 06:37.38 | enouf | martin_: maybe flashcrappoopshit has stolen your sound |
| 06:37.45 | meoblast001 | AMDFreak: but how would i make the multiple packages (image and header) from that? |
| 06:37.46 | martin_ | woohoo! |
| 06:37.51 | martin_ | can I apt-get remove? |
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| 06:39.10 | enouf | martin_: listen, easiest is to restart your DE - or as root; lsof | egrep 'flash|pulse|artsd?esd' |
| 06:39.22 | enouf | er no ? only | |
| 06:39.30 | AMDFreak | meoblast001: you have to configure your package in the debian/rules and other files |
| 06:40.12 | meoblast001 | AMDFreak: oh.... how do i do that for kernels/ |
| 06:40.25 | luke3321 | Hey guys, just took a few updates from aptitude and now my sound card has vanished from /proc/asound/modules.. Any help? |
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| 06:40.35 | enouf | man make-kpkg meoblast001 |
| 06:41.00 | enouf | luke3321: no it hasn't |
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| 06:41.26 | luke3321 | enouf: It has from my /proc/asound/modules |
| 06:41.28 | meoblast001 | enouf: but that doesn't let me change the control files... it jumps straight from setting up the debian/ directory to compiling |
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| 06:41.40 | enouf | luke3321: it can't - your card nor chipset is a module |
| 06:41.43 | meoblast001 | enouf: and it doesn't produce debdiffs |
| 06:42.09 | enouf | meoblast001: wait .. i came late to your issue |
| 06:42.14 | luke3321 | enouf: Okay okay, the module for my soundcard has disappeared from the file |
| 06:42.24 | enouf | luke3321: why? |
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| 06:42.36 | luke3321 | enouf: Thats the big question |
| 06:42.52 | enouf | "few updates from aptitude" |
| 06:43.17 | luke3321 | enouf: That being some update that have piled up over the past 5 days |
| 06:43.17 | enouf | luke3321: which release? and pastebin your sources.list |
| 06:43.43 | enouf | !break luke3321 |
| 06:43.43 | dpkg | tells luke3321 how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list |
| 06:44.30 | luke3321 | enouf: Squeeze and http://pastebin.com/d5129a0bc |
| 06:44.46 | gigo | Does the Debian 5.0 installer not show an option to format a partition as 'ntfs' ? |
| 06:44.56 | enouf | luke3321: are you using a debian kernel? |
| 06:45.06 | luke3321 | enouf: Yes |
| 06:45.22 | luke3321 | enouf: 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
| 06:45.22 | enouf | gigo: use ubcd.com or something |
| 06:45.23 | gigo | !break gigo |
| 06:45.23 | dpkg | tells gigo how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list |
| 06:45.38 | meoblast001 | any ideas? |
| 06:45.56 | gigo | enouf, what is ubcd.com ? it says directory listing denied |
| 06:46.21 | enouf | luke3321: that's good .. (your pastebin) |
| 06:46.33 | enouf | gigo: ultimatebootcd.com |
| 06:46.50 | gigo | enouf, I want to know whether the Debian 5.0 installer can recognize NTFS partitions and let me set mount points for it? |
| 06:47.15 | enouf | meoblast001: you want to ask #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 06:47.37 | cast | gigo: imho try and see, if it doesn't, it's just as easy to edit fstab |
| 06:47.38 | enouf | gigo: nobody cares about ntfs |
| 06:48.04 | enouf | gigo: yes, it vsn recognize XPoop partitions |
| 06:48.08 | gigo | cast, I can't try it and see right now. so thought of asking here in case anyone remembers. thanks anyway. |
| 06:48.09 | gigo | lol |
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| 06:48.18 | enouf | s/vsn/can/ |
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| 06:48.30 | martin_ | *sigh* |
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| 06:49.10 | enouf | gigo: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g for write ability to ntfs parts |
| 06:49.40 | luke3321 | enouf: Any ideas? The modules are loaded, but dont appear in /proc/asound/modules |
| 06:49.47 | enouf | gigo: http://goodbye-windows.com might interest you too |
| 06:50.26 | enouf | luke3321: how about /cards ? |
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| 06:51.14 | luke3321 | enouf: Nope, just lists my HDA Intel card, but not my other card |
| 06:51.21 | enouf | luke3321: unfortunately squeeze and up have done away with "alsaconf" .. ugh |
| 06:51.44 | luke3321 | enouf: I know what you mean.. this could all be over with... |
| 06:52.04 | enouf | luke3321: 1st off - i have 2 cards installed - let's concentrate on one |
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| 06:52.25 | luke3321 | enouf: Okay |
| 06:52.33 | enouf | luke3321: modinfo snd-hda-intel |
| 06:52.39 | enouf | see parm |
| 06:53.11 | luke3321 | enouf: Okay, what about them |
| 06:53.46 | enouf | you might need to specify an ID r other option for the the card - snd-hda-intel usually has a digital and an analog output |
| 06:54.03 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 06:54.06 | martin_ | enouf: i tried adding myself to the audio group(solution via google) i am already a member, another solution was for someone to recompile and reinstall latest mcp61 driver |
| 06:54.10 | luke3321 | yes, I can get the intel card to work |
| 06:54.29 | luke3321 | but the audio is sub par |
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| 06:54.51 | enouf | luke3321: listewn - try #debian on oftc.net at various times and back here from time to time - just don't double post |
| 06:55.11 | luke3321 | enouf: Okay, im gonna go and try the alsa guys |
| 06:55.27 | enouf | martin_: i was going to mention that .. but i forgot - too many other issues |
| 06:56.03 | enouf | martin_: have you logged out and logged in again? |
| 06:56.09 | martin_ | not yet, let me try that |
| 06:56.11 | enouf | martin_: as that user? |
| 06:56.13 | enouf | yes |
| 06:56.17 | enouf | you must |
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| 06:58.48 | meoblast001 | enouf: i was able to get through the kernel-packageconfig a bit |
| 06:58.49 | enouf | martian67: where you been bozo? |
| 06:58.51 | meoblast001 | until Could not open /etc/kernel-pkg.conf for writing:Permission denied at /usr/sbin/kernel-packageconfig line 110, <STDIN> line 2. |
| 06:59.04 | meoblast001 | idk if i should be sudoing that |
| 06:59.20 | enouf | meoblast001: install fakeroot pkg is my guess |
| 06:59.23 | enouf | no |
| 06:59.37 | meoblast001 | hm.... thatnk command was practically useless |
| 06:59.41 | meoblast001 | just let me put my name in |
| 06:59.43 | enouf | you ONLY need root/sudo to INSTALL ... not compile |
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| 07:00.01 | meoblast001 | enouf: that was setting my name in an /etc configuration file |
| 07:00.16 | enouf | meoblast001: can you edit /etc/kernel-img.conf ? |
| 07:00.21 | enouf | not that you need to |
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| 07:00.45 | meoblast001 | enouf: if i'm not root i don't see why i woudl |
| 07:00.46 | Datzilla | hello, installing VMware tools -> What is the location of the "make" program on your |
| 07:00.46 | Datzilla | machine? |
| 07:01.00 | enouf | !installit |
| 07:01.00 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 07:01.13 | cast | Datzilla: vmware has support :) |
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| 07:01.31 | enouf | there's a channel - go there |
| 07:01.42 | Datzilla | ? |
| 07:01.52 | enouf | !search |
| 07:01.53 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 07:02.09 | enouf | !debian mantra |
| 07:02.09 | dpkg | i guess debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
| 07:02.10 | martin_ | enouf: no luck, even with reboot |
| 07:02.44 | enouf | martin_: my attention span sucks ass .. what was the issue? |
| 07:02.51 | martin_ | lol |
| 07:02.53 | martin_ | alsa issues |
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| 07:03.08 | enouf | martin_: and alsaconf does nothing? |
| 07:03.16 | martin_ | let me try again |
| 07:03.16 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 07:03.17 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 07:03.25 | enouf | !soundcheck |
| 07:03.25 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 07:03.34 | enouf | !speaker-test |
| 07:03.34 | dpkg | well, speaker-test is do; "speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2" or perhaps "speaker-test -t wav -c 2" for a nicer female voice, instead of a tone to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck> |
| 07:03.46 | enouf | martin_: are you with me bro? |
| 07:03.59 | adbix | hehe |
| 07:04.02 | martin_ | yeah, let me go through this again |
| 07:04.17 | enouf | martin_: you're making me scared |
| 07:04.34 | martin_ | I haven't used debian since 1.0 |
| 07:04.39 | enouf | the *buntus haven't had alsaconf for some time |
| 07:04.45 | martin_ | been with redhat since rh8 |
| 07:04.57 | martin_ | then fedora 1 -> 10, now I thought I'd try debian |
| 07:04.59 | enouf | martin_: and i'n here; with sid; 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1137 not upgraded. |
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| 07:05.48 | darkbulb | how can i view the motherboard revision level within debian |
| 07:05.50 | martin_ | i'm about to call security again |
| 07:05.59 | enouf | martin_: debian is quality and you can have binry or source - fedora is also bleeding edge .. but who benefits? ;-) |
| 07:06.08 | enouf | heh |
| 07:06.15 | enouf | !security |
| 07:06.15 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 07:06.34 | enouf | darkbulb: lshal | grep smbios |
| 07:06.41 | martin_ | well, fedora is bleeding edge, but it's suited me well over the years. i've gone through the growing pains. |
| 07:06.41 | jintxo | darkbulb, I'm nnot sure if you'll get EXACTLY what you need but give "dmidecode" a try, it shows a lot of info |
| 07:06.50 | enouf | darkbulb: or try dmidecode |
| 07:07.23 | enouf | jintxo: try the lshal command ;-) |
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| 07:07.46 | enouf | darkbulb: or .. pop open the case ;-) |
| 07:08.23 | darkbulb | lshal dumped a bunch of things to my terminal |
| 07:08.23 | jintxo | enouf, so many commands, so little time!! hehe thanks :-) |
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| 07:09.20 | simonrvn | darkbulb: it's called a pipe, and a pager. use them wisely. |
| 07:09.24 | martin_ | ok, this has to be a permissions issue |
| 07:09.41 | enouf | martin_: the thing with Debian is; a) binary or Debian patched source is avail and b) all headers for building are in pkgs with a "-dev" appended in their name and c) a well built .deb needs only to be installed easily |
| 07:09.48 | darkbulb | the pipe with the smbios or bios pager returned no results |
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| 07:10.05 | enouf | martin_: waht? |
| 07:10.10 | simonrvn | wtf are you talking about? |
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| 07:10.18 | simonrvn | command | less |
| 07:10.19 | enouf | really .... |
| 07:10.31 | Sakuya | hey, is anyone in here running grub2? |
| 07:10.32 | martin_ | yeah, it works as root, |
| 07:10.45 | simonrvn | !anyone use |
| 07:10.45 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:10.46 | enouf | darkbulb: cat /proc/version |
| 07:11.23 | darkbulb | Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-15) (dannf@debian.org) |
| 07:11.26 | enouf | jintxo: ;-) |
| 07:11.33 | enouf | darkbulb: wrong |
| 07:11.42 | enouf | it says MORE than that |
| 07:11.45 | Sakuya | is running sid, and is trying to get chainloading to work from windows, however the chainloader command appears to be missing |
| 07:12.01 | darkbulb | Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-15) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 |
| 07:12.14 | enouf | Sakuya: ask #grub |
| 07:12.26 | simonrvn | Sakuya: i've tried chainload + wincrap, it won't work. i think it's one of the things missing. |
| 07:12.34 | martin_ | is calling security again |
| 07:12.35 | Sakuya | hrm |
| 07:12.50 | enouf | darkbulb: and lshal | grep smbios says nothing? |
| 07:12.56 | Sakuya | since grub has module support, and I see a chain.mod in the /boot/grub directory, I wonder if the module needs to be laoded |
| 07:13.00 | simonrvn | it works fine with grub "1" |
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| 07:13.02 | enouf | darkbulb: your PC sucks ass |
| 07:13.14 | martin_ | they told me to call the cops |
| 07:13.18 | enouf | simonrvn: bingo |
| 07:13.31 | enouf | martin_: call the FED even |
| 07:13.35 | simonrvn | Sakuya: well, don't let me dissuade you from trying. have fun. |
| 07:13.35 | martin_ | i sould |
| 07:13.45 | martin_ | tell those jerks to get off my lawn |
| 07:13.49 | darkbulb | lshal | smbios returns nothing as user or root |
| 07:14.05 | darkbulb | lshal | grep smbios returns nothing as user or root |
| 07:14.07 | enouf | Sakuya: do you want to learn about grub1 or grub2 ? |
| 07:14.20 | enouf | Sakuya: totally different |
| 07:14.25 | Sakuya | I've been using grub-legacy, so that's working fine |
| 07:14.40 | martin_ | enouf: why on earth does debian install lilo tools? |
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| 07:16.21 | Zoup | i want my system to panic when it goes to initramfs because lack of root device |
| 07:16.23 | simonrvn | Sakuya: i have 3 differnt OSes here. debian sid (current booted), ubuntu jaunty, and wincrap. last installed OS was ubuntu, so its bootloader gets called, which is grub legacy; it chainloads the wincrap or debian very well. |
| 07:16.57 | enouf | darkbulb: check this http://rafb.net/p/wJkLA648.html -- your computer sucks ass |
| 07:17.06 | enouf | darkbulb: a p2 |
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| 07:17.22 | enouf | martin_: why not? |
| 07:17.31 | simonrvn | enouf: mine doesn't return anything either; it's a gigbyte something mobo. |
| 07:17.46 | enouf | martin_: booting vertain mdadm and lvm formats |
| 07:17.58 | enouf | simonrvn: ouch |
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| 07:18.22 | enouf | simonrvn: you're powerpc though no? |
| 07:18.35 | enouf | or macintel? |
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| 07:18.49 | simonrvn | enouf: it's old, gigabyte 7IXE4. not this thing, no |
| 07:19.24 | enouf | simonrvn: you're lucky - Redmond hadn't yet got their hands on it ;-) |
| 07:20.26 | Sakuya | lesse if thise little test works |
| 07:20.28 | darkbulb | box is a core 2 duo with gigabyte 965p-DS3 |
| 07:20.44 | simonrvn | enouf: oh, because of no smbios crap? it does have the taint though, it's got acpi. |
| 07:20.56 | enouf | simonrvn: i'm drifting off real soon ... babydoll needs attention ;-) |
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| 07:21.14 | simonrvn | enouf: g'night ;) |
| 07:21.44 | martin_ | g'night, thanks for your help |
| 07:21.47 | enouf | ;-) |
| 07:22.55 | enouf | simonrvn: just as a last Q .. the CPU is? |
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| 07:23.22 | enouf | i know how to get a hold of you |
| 07:23.39 | simonrvn | athlon 1st gen |
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| 07:24.08 | martin_ | well, there was athlon xp, athlon 64, athlon x2, athlon fx... |
| 07:24.09 | enouf | simonrvn: er ... k1 ? |
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| 07:24.29 | enouf | martin_: hush hon |
| 07:24.29 | martin_ | the barton core? |
| 07:24.32 | martin_ | lol |
| 07:24.37 | simonrvn | er, k7? |
| 07:25.02 | simonrvn | vendor_id : AuthenticAMD |
| 07:25.10 | simonrvn | cpu family: 6 |
| 07:25.30 | simonrvn | model: 4 model name: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor |
| 07:25.42 | simonrvn | wtfever that stuff means |
| 07:25.57 | enouf | martin_: visit fab51.com ,,, click English |
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| 07:26.47 | martin_ | sweet |
| 07:26.50 | enouf | <simonrvn> cpu family: 6 == p6 |
| 07:27.01 | martin_ | i just upgraded to a dual core athlon 4400 |
| 07:27.18 | martin_ | does cpuinfo record clock speed accurately? |
| 07:27.25 | martin_ | it said today both my cores were runnning at 1ghz |
| 07:27.28 | enouf | athlons are k7 and better |
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| 07:27.39 | enouf | !k7 |
| 07:27.39 | cast | trusty barton, twice the cache, but it made no difference |
| 07:27.39 | dpkg | k7 is, like, the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out, see <k7 dropped>. |
| 07:28.13 | simonrvn | well, that's what it says. this shit always confuses me. |
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| 07:28.56 | jintxo | martin_, it does in may case. it reports the *current* speed of my CPUS (which is usually slower than the MAX, since I have the power-saving stuff enabled) |
| 07:29.03 | simonrvn | it's 1 GHz capable, but only with pc-133 sticks |
| 07:29.13 | simonrvn | i have mixed sticks in it... |
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| 07:31.01 | enouf | simonrvn: pc100 and pc133 are compatible |
| 07:31.09 | enouf | and interchangeable |
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| 07:31.27 | enouf | obviously it'll run at slowest DIMM speed |
| 07:31.57 | simonrvn | i know |
| 07:32.13 | Manoj | Hmm. With the new overlay directory, you can too change the control files for the packages you are building using make-kpkg |
| 07:32.18 | enouf | simonrvn: even the powerpc that i can't even donate uses pc100\133 |
| 07:32.30 | simonrvn | the chipset is some old amd irongate stuffs |
| 07:32.57 | simonrvn | oh it's ok. there's a store near my house with some cheap pc1XX sticks. |
| 07:33.18 | simonrvn | Manoj: nice |
| 07:33.27 | simonrvn | Manoj: and good morning/evening |
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| 07:34.59 | enouf | simonrvn: i have many extra pc100/133 DIMMs if you want them .. otherwise; http://www.upgrade-solution.com/detail.cfm?show=yes&PID=107&add=yes |
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| 07:35.48 | simonrvn | enouf: srsly? what size? |
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| 07:37.34 | cast | remembers in the age of pc100 when there was an earthquake [or fire?] that sent ram prices up over 2x |
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| 07:40.14 | simonrvn | i was stilling running to a large extent mac ppcs back then, or m68k |
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| 07:41.50 | Sakuya | well that seemed to work |
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| 07:42.16 | Sakuya | adding "insmod chain" to /etc/grub.d/00_header allowed chainloader to actually work |
| 07:42.41 | simonrvn | Sakuya: \o/ |
| 07:42.44 | BadRobot | hi there |
| 07:43.06 | BadRobot | I need some help to set up my sound card |
| 07:43.19 | BadRobot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:43.34 | Muzer | Is there a way of making a .deb package when make install is not available (ie you give the app a list of the files it needs to include, then fill in the details as normal)? |
| 07:43.36 | BadRobot | and I am using a HP Pavilion DV2 |
| 07:44.44 | simonrvn | Sakuya: where did you put it? |
| 07:45.02 | simonrvn | BadRobot: is that thing new? |
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| 07:45.40 | BadRobot | which thing? |
| 07:45.44 | simonrvn | Muzer: might want to look at checkinstall. it doesn't make excellent quality .debs, but they're usually installable if configured correctly. |
| 07:45.53 | simonrvn | your box, dude |
| 07:46.04 | BadRobot | http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4963&review=hp+pavilion+dv2 |
| 07:46.05 | Muzer | simonrvn: Doesn't that require make install to work? |
| 07:46.14 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:46.24 | Muzer | I'm interested in just manually creating a .deb with a few files in it |
| 07:46.40 | Muzer | I don't think what I want has make install (the whole project does but I just want a few files from it) |
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| 07:47.11 | simonrvn | um, there's usually some way to install the files... what sort of project build system is it using? do you know? |
| 07:47.25 | Muzer | I know there is |
| 07:47.28 | Muzer | OK let me explain |
| 07:48.18 | Muzer | I've followed this tutorial to get google gadgets on KDE4.2 in Kubuntu (which doesn't include it by default): http://www.francescosantini.com/files/ggadgets/google_gadgets_plasmoids_jaunty.txte them by default): |
| 07:48.27 | Muzer | For that, I have to compile part of the kdebase project |
| 07:48.42 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:48.57 | Muzer | I had some difficulties so I thought I would pack it up in a .deb to benefit others |
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| 07:49.19 | Muzer | However, if I were to use checkinstall, I would be packaging up the whole of kdebase which I don't want |
| 07:49.25 | Muzer | I just want to package up those few files. |
| 07:49.36 | simonrvn | Sakuya: GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES="chain" in /etc/default/grub |
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| 07:50.10 | simonrvn | a) you should be asking in your distro's channel b) kde uses cmake |
| 07:50.27 | simonrvn | and it does too have a make install mechanism |
| 07:50.46 | Muzer | I know |
| 07:50.52 | Muzer | <Muzer> However, if I were to use checkinstall, I would be packaging up the whole of kdebase which I don't want |
| 07:50.52 | Muzer | <Muzer> I just want to package up those few files. |
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| 07:51.33 | Muzer | and my distro's channel is a bit dead (#kubuntu is anyway), I just thought since it's all debian you would know here |
| 07:51.45 | simonrvn | !not debian |
| 07:51.45 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 07:53.03 | luke3321 | enouf: I solved that alsa problem |
| 07:53.07 | Muzer | But it uses the same tools for making .deb files as debian! If there isn't a difference or the differences are irrelevant in the field of help, surely that is just stupid? |
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| 07:55.31 | simonrvn | Muzer: you'd probably be better off asking in #kde |
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| 08:07.28 | giupy | hi all |
| 08:07.42 | Supaplex | dpkg: seen all |
| 08:07.43 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'all', Supaplex |
| 08:08.07 | giupy | intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock makes boot very slow, do you know how can i solve it ? |
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| 08:12.11 | Supaplex | humm. no idea really. |
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| 08:25.14 | giupy | where is intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock in kernel menuconfig ? |
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| 08:34.35 | mcgreg | hi ppl |
| 08:35.01 | Stanlin | how to mount an partition with perl? |
| 08:35.04 | mcgreg | I've upgraded X and now mI cant start any gnome application -> symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: XRRGetScreenResourcesCurrent |
| 08:35.10 | mcgreg | any ideas? |
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| 08:35.38 | cast | Stanlin: call mount? |
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| 08:36.06 | Stanlin | cast: $cmd = "/sbin/ipfw add 25002 deny ip from $ip to any"; system $cmd; ?? |
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| 08:37.02 | cast | sure, if that works for you |
| 08:37.15 | mcgreg | icedove, openoffice, xchat ... almost everything refuses to work ... |
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| 08:37.33 | Stanlin | cast: i just want to mount, copy a file, and umount it |
| 08:38.08 | cast | Stanlin: question: if you don't know perl then why don't you use sh? :) |
| 08:39.01 | Stanlin | cast: $cmd = "mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mount; cp /tmp/doc.txt /mount; umount /mount"; system $cmd; ?? |
| 08:39.14 | Stanlin | cast: coz all the program is in perl lol |
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| 08:39.54 | cast | ahh. and what program is this? |
| 08:40.01 | mandrake | hi |
| 08:40.07 | cast | hello mandrake |
| 08:40.11 | mandrake | compiling kernel under debian i get lots of error like this |
| 08:40.16 | mandrake | mconf.c:(.text+0x1199): undefined reference to `menu_get_prompt' |
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| 08:40.26 | mandrake | i have no idea what it can be |
| 08:40.40 | mandrake | :( |
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| 08:43.35 | mandrake | any idea? |
| 08:44.05 | cast | nope, other than to ask if you're compiling the debian way or the vanilla way |
| 08:44.16 | mandrake | the vanilla way |
| 08:44.31 | cast | well i'd try the debian way, and see what happens :) |
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| 08:45.55 | mandrake | really i want to understand why it gives me that problems |
| 08:46.03 | mandrake | it shouldn't |
| 08:46.06 | mandrake | :) |
| 08:46.37 | jintxo | mandrake, are you running "make menucofig" or actually compiling? |
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| 08:48.56 | jintxo | "undefined reference to xxxx" usually means you are missing some header files or development packages (maybe ncurses in your case) |
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| 08:50.41 | abchirk | hi, I want to use Debian on my desktop (2x3,1ghz - Intel, 4gb ram etc) Is it useful to get 64bit there or better 32bit? |
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| 08:51.31 | mandrake | jintxo: yes, i'm doing make menuconfig |
| 08:51.39 | mandrake | but i've libncurses5-dev installed |
| 08:52.17 | jintxo | abchirk, you could probably go either way, but if you're looking for fewer problems (with flash, propietary stuff like google earth, etc. ) I'd suggest you go 32 bit for now |
| 08:52.33 | abchirk | hm yeah right... :P |
| 08:52.49 | mandrake | abchirk: i'm running on 64 bit |
| 08:53.08 | mandrake | and i've got no problems with flash and other propietary stuff |
| 08:53.19 | abchirk | Maybe there isn't a real advantage of 64bit is it that much fastr? |
| 08:53.33 | jintxo | mandrake, did you install build-essential ? |
| 08:54.00 | mandrake | mandrake@localhost ~ $ sudo dpkg --list | grep build-essential |
| 08:54.00 | mandrake | ii build-essential 11.4 Informational list of build-essential packages |
| 08:54.16 | jintxo | abchirk, not a whole lot faster, really. if you're wanting to try it out, go 64 bit and test it out. I use it too with no problems. |
| 08:54.20 | cast | solves flash problems by not using flash :) |
| 08:54.27 | jintxo | you can always format/reinstall :-) |
| 08:54.32 | mandrake | lolcast |
| 08:54.50 | abchirk | Without flash I cannot surf. :) |
| 08:54.50 | cast | 64bit is signficantly faster in openssl and oggenc, i imagine that will extend to other things like mencoder |
| 08:55.35 | mandrake | abchirk: installing flash on 64bit is a bit harder than installing it on 32 bit |
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| 08:56.08 | cast | doesn't adobe have a 64bit flash beta or similar out? |
| 08:56.19 | abchirk | Yes.. |
| 08:56.25 | jintxo | mandrake, odd, the ncurses dev I think is the real only "foreign" dependency for menuconfig. haven't been compiling kernels for quite a while but ... you could always take the alternative and make config or *gasp* make xconfig if you got X development stuff |
| 08:56.46 | mandrake | make config gives me the same errors |
| 08:56.51 | mandrake | is not an ncurses problem |
| 08:56.54 | jintxo | cast, yeah, I use it, haven't found any problems so far |
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| 08:57.00 | mandrake | xconfig smells :( |
| 08:57.06 | jintxo | I hear you |
| 08:57.46 | mandrake | and i don't want to install qt :O |
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| 08:58.06 | cast | checks his US-CERT email label |
| 08:58.20 | mandrake | but it gives the same errors in both versions 2.6.28 and 2.6.29 vanilla |
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| 09:02.19 | mandrake | :( i really don't understand :( |
| 09:02.26 | PiousMinion | If my partition layout is [part3,pasrt1,part2], is there a way to renumber them to put them in order? |
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| 09:03.58 | cast | PiousMinion: sure, but it's probably more work than it's worth |
| 09:04.23 | PiousMinion | cast: ok, how do I do it? |
| 09:04.42 | cast | step 1: backup the entire drive |
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| 09:05.03 | natureshadow | hi! |
| 09:05.30 | noth_ | hello. if you know how proxychains works please query me. thanks. |
| 09:05.59 | cast | noth_: most of the room does i imagine |
| 09:06.25 | PiousMinion | cast: I assume there are more steps. :P |
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| 09:06.44 | noth_ | that would be great |
| 09:06.46 | abchirk | hm so, when I look on soem benchmark there isn't a real advantage for 64bit vs 32bit... 64bit is often slower than 64bit :P |
| 09:07.21 | jintxo | yay 64bit slowwer than 64bit !!! abchirk seriously, just try whatever you want to try and see how it goes :-) |
| 09:07.41 | natureshadow | I upgraded from etch to lenny tonight - I knew it'll be a mess, but amavisd-new won't upgrade nor reinstall. It crashes during postinst when adding user/group ... |
| 09:07.42 | abchirk | ah noe... 64bit to 32bit :P |
| 09:07.44 | natureshadow | Any suggestions? |
| 09:08.21 | cast | abchirk: come on...64bit is the future :) and buy more ram. |
| 09:08.48 | nkuttler | !tell natureshadow about errors |
| 09:08.54 | PiousMinion | cast: so what do I do after I backup the entire drive? |
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| 09:09.22 | cast | PiousMinion: there are, but none as important. depending how full each FS is, sometimes tar+mkfs is a faster way to do things, or you could use dd and a large scratch disk |
| 09:09.23 | jintxo | mandrake, could be some sort of gettext related thing? it seems kconfig infrastructure now uses gettext. I dunno, tried hitting google with the error? |
| 09:09.28 | natureshadow | If there were any useful error messages I'd have posted them, nkuttler |
| 09:10.15 | natureshadow | It hangs for about 20 secs when Creating user and group, then stops doing postinst silently (well dpkg of course tells that postinst returned exit staus 1, but that's nothing specific to this error I'd say ..) |
| 09:10.33 | PiousMinion | cast: I think I should point out that I don't actually want to move any of the data or change the layout. I just want the first partition on the drive to be sda1, the second, sda2, etc. |
| 09:10.48 | mandrake | jintxo: yes, i googled for 3 days |
| 09:10.56 | nkuttler | natureshadow: which command 'hangs'? |
| 09:10.57 | mandrake | i dunno what's gettext |
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| 09:11.12 | mandrake | trying to read something about it |
| 09:11.14 | cast | PiousMinion: in that case don't do anything, and live with the current naming. |
| 09:11.31 | cast | PiousMinion: isn't sda1 the first partition already? |
| 09:11.34 | natureshadow | nkuttler: dpkg-postinst, called by apt-get |
| 09:11.41 | cast | sits confused for a moment |
| 09:11.51 | PiousMinion | cast: no, /dev/sda3 is the first partition on the drive. |
| 09:11.55 | natureshadow | ah not dpkg-postinst |
| 09:11.55 | lillis | sits at cast |
| 09:12.05 | nkuttler | natureshadow: i guess you mean the postinst script.. figure out which part of it |
| 09:12.07 | mandrake | effettively it seems like a gettext error :O |
| 09:12.16 | natureshadow | nkuttler: The adduser part ... |
| 09:12.24 | cast | PiousMinion: how very curious, how does such a thing come about? |
| 09:12.30 | nkuttler | natureshadow: so run the adduser command by hand |
| 09:12.55 | natureshadow | nkuttler: And then? |
| 09:13.02 | cast | PiousMinion: mind paste bining the output of fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 09:13.29 | nkuttler | natureshadow: what do i know? depends on the result.. |
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| 09:13.45 | jintxo | mandrake, so do you have some old version of gettext or something like that maybe? is this a recent debian or some old version? as I said I haven't been compiling kernels for years, so you're out of my league right now :-p |
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| 09:14.02 | PiousMinion | cast: create 3 partitions, delte the 1st and third, move the second to the end of the drive, create a new part in the middle, and then a new one at the beginning. |
| 09:14.19 | owen1 | what is the default font for xterm? |
| 09:14.21 | natureshadow | nkuttler: Then, where do I find the specific command postinst calls? |
| 09:14.36 | jintxo | natureshadow, somewhere in /var/lib/dpkg I believe |
| 09:14.45 | mandrake | jintxo: i'm on sid/squeeze |
| 09:14.52 | mandrake | i've installed debian lenny |
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| 09:14.55 | jintxo | mandrake, yay |
| 09:14.59 | nkuttler | natureshadow: help set, see -x, add that to the script |
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| 09:15.09 | mandrake | so gettext should be recent |
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| 09:16.29 | anddam | hello |
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| 09:16.39 | PiousMinion | cast: --> http://pastebin.com/m78a84900 |
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| 09:17.12 | mandrake | jintxo: however is a linker problem |
| 09:17.20 | PiousMinion | The ntfs part should be sda1 |
| 09:17.21 | jintxo | mandrake, good luk with that |
| 09:17.26 | mandrake | lol |
| 09:17.33 | cast | wow, i didn't know that could happen, i thought sda1 was by definition the first partition |
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| 09:18.33 | PiousMinion | cast: the first "defined" partition. It can be located anywhere. |
| 09:18.52 | cast | ahh, i see |
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| 09:19.31 | cast | so what would happen if you deleted all 3, and made a new three matching those same offsets? |
| 09:19.46 | hoxu | cast, depends on the tool used to create them, and the order you create them in |
| 09:19.48 | nkuttler | cast: it could work, it could break.. |
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| 09:20.44 | PiousMinion | cast: that might do it, but what risk do I have of losing all my data? |
| 09:21.00 | jintxo | PiousMinion, seems fdisk has an option for "fixing" this but be very very very careful, please! you will probably render your system unbootable and have to fix fstab and grub configuration manaully. if it's too much for you, just let it be |
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| 09:21.02 | cast | none presuming you followed step 1 correctly |
| 09:21.30 | cast | but i'm evidently not much use here :) |
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| 09:21.39 | PiousMinion | jintxo: editing fstab, grub, etc is no issue as long as I don't lose my data. |
| 09:21.45 | nkuttler | why even bother with partition numbering? in real life you use mount points anyway for work |
| 09:22.04 | jintxo | PiousMinion, you have been warned. fdisk, then advanced options, take a look and think a bout it before doing anything :-) |
| 09:22.07 | PiousMinion | nkuttler: the issue lies with a multi OS disk. |
| 09:22.41 | nkuttler | PiousMinion: don't see how that could create problems |
| 09:23.03 | jintxo | s/advanced options/extra functionality |
| 09:23.28 | PiousMinion | nkuttler: try installing windows XP in partition 3 which is first on the drive when you already have an OS in another part. |
| 09:24.04 | nkuttler | PiousMinion: well... no :) |
| 09:24.50 | PiousMinion | jintoxthanks, that is exactly what I was looking for. :P |
| 09:24.58 | jintxo | crosses finger |
| 09:25.00 | jintxo | s |
| 09:25.04 | jintxo | lol |
| 09:25.11 | cast | fear not, he has a backup of the important stuffs |
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| 09:26.47 | jintxo | PiousMinion, and remember that the XP install will overwrite yuor mbr so have a bootcd or bootdisk handy for when it does |
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| 09:27.51 | PiousMinion | jintxo: sysresccd is my friend. :D |
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| 09:32.58 | hyper_ch | hi there, I just switched my ISP yesterday and now I have connection issues. It always seems to lag. So I made a traceroute on my computer to my server in Germany and get this result: http://www.pastebin.ch/1245 -- I see that at some points it's really slow and strange but what might be the cause for it? 10.0.0.1 is a Linksys wrt54gl router with tomato firmware and 192.168.0.1 is the dsl modem/router |
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| 09:34.53 | _Rocket | hi |
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| 09:35.12 | _Rocket | i have installed kde4 |
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| 09:35.33 | _Rocket | and touchpad now freezes after it starts |
| 09:35.43 | _Rocket | in gnome and in kdm it works properly |
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| 09:52.34 | natureshadow | nkuttler: Running the commands from the postinst script manually works |
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| 09:53.37 | nkuttler | natureshadow: great. so i'd just comment them out in the script |
| 09:53.57 | natureshadow | nkuttler: Is this WIndows, or is there a reason for the script not working then? |
| 09:54.36 | jetscreamer | it's dos |
| 09:54.38 | nkuttler | natureshadow: you're really not helping yourself by asking questions this way |
| 09:55.02 | jetscreamer | denial of service |
| 09:55.10 | jetscreamer | denied! |
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| 09:56.04 | jetscreamer | wonders what the real question is |
| 09:56.54 | natureshadow | nkuttler: Your solution sounds like we are commenting out something in a script from a deb package without caring about why it doesn't work - there must be a reason for that |
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| 09:57.23 | nkuttler | natureshadow: what you're saying doesn't make a lot of sense. if it works when you run the command yourself it should work in the script |
| 09:57.43 | nkuttler | natureshadow: and once you ran the command... the script can't re-create the same user again... |
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| 09:57.45 | jetscreamer | what flavor |
| 09:57.56 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 09:57.58 | nkuttler | jetscreamer: the thing that adds the user |
| 09:58.09 | natureshadow | nkuttler: In fact, it *doesn't* work from within the script ^^ |
| 09:58.44 | nkuttler | natureshadow: it's a mystery then... and you never bothered to paste the command anyway |
| 09:59.11 | natureshadow | nkuttler: I thought you could imagine apt-get install amavisd-new .... |
| 09:59.19 | natureshadow | Nothing so complicated about that |
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| 09:59.42 | nkuttler | natureshadow: i thought you understood that you need to debug the script by now.. |
| 10:00.07 | nkuttler | natureshadow: bugs.debian.org/package |
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| 10:05.12 | hyper_ch | hi there, I just switched my ISP yesterday and now I have connection issues. It always seems to lag. So I made a traceroute on my computer to my server in Germany and get this result: http://www.pastebin.ch/1245 -- I see that at some points it's really slow and strange but what might be the cause for it? 10.0.0.1 is a Linksys wrt54gl router with tomato firmware and 192.168.0.1 is the dsl modem/router |
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| 10:13.29 | joeyjones | hyper_ch: did you ever stop to consider that your new isp could be shit? |
| 10:13.52 | hyper_ch | joeyjones: not this far :) |
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| 10:16.41 | hyper_ch | joeyjones: but I still wonder what all those entries mean... especially 4 & 5 |
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| 10:17.11 | joeyjones | hyper_ch: it just means that it didn't respond, but passed it along |
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| 10:22.24 | hyper_ch | joeyjones: you'd say this is a bad traceroute? |
| 10:22.40 | joeyjones | no |
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| 10:23.33 | joeyjones | i got 208.505ms to roleplayer.org |
| 10:23.42 | hyper_ch | hmmm.... why seem a lot of webpages being loaded slower then? |
| 10:24.08 | joeyjones | a ping would better show that than a traceroute |
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| 10:24.53 | hyper_ch | about 50ms to roleplayer.org |
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| 10:25.31 | jintxo | hyper_ch, maybe you need to swtich to "closer" dns servers than the ones you were using before the switch? slow dns can really slow down web browsing. |
| 10:26.06 | hyper_ch | jintxo: well, the dns server only have an impact for the first time you try to resolve a domain... later it should be in your local cache, right? |
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| 10:26.24 | jintxo | hyper_ch, yeah but not for very long (unless you run a local DNS cache) |
| 10:26.37 | joeyjones | i acerage 196.83ms to that server |
| 10:27.10 | hyper_ch | jintxo: hmm.... I haven't had issues with opendns on my old isp |
| 10:27.13 | jintxo | I see dns clients (mostly firefox in this particular case) hitting my server for sites that they have just hit a few seconds ago |
| 10:27.35 | hyper_ch | jintxo: what do you mean by that? |
| 10:28.09 | jintxo | hyper_ch, what I meant was that on the DNS serve that I run, firefox clients hit the DNS for the same naems again and again, so the cache doesn't seem to last very long. |
| 10:28.27 | hyper_ch | jintxo: ok... hmm... |
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| 10:28.52 | jintxo | hyper_ch, anyways, the dns thing was just a suggestion, try using your ISPs dns for a few minutes and see if anything good comes of it. if not, then move on to some other hypothesis |
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| 10:29.17 | hyper_ch | jintxo: will do so :) thx for the suggestion |
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| 10:29.42 | joeyjones | jintxo: heh, my isp's and server host's dns server is shit |
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| 10:29.56 | jeffrey_ | hyper_ch, try the IP address to see if there's something different. |
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| 10:31.20 | hyper_ch | trying now to use my ISPs dns |
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| 10:31.55 | sepult | is there a limit to how many channels one can join ? |
| 10:32.06 | sepult | on irc ? |
| 10:32.17 | joeyjones | there is |
| 10:32.26 | sepult | or is that just a limit of my irssi settings ? |
| 10:32.30 | joeyjones | i think it varies server-to-server |
| 10:32.53 | hyper_ch | 12 channels are no problem on freenode to join |
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| 10:34.31 | sepult | ok thank you |
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| 10:35.59 | jintxo | hyper_ch, just so you can compare with the numbers joeyjones gave you, I get a consistent 160-180ms ping to roleplayer.org |
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| 10:40.55 | DERBYSIEGER-icer | how to get auto-completion for apt-get like apt-get install apa -> tab = apache2 |
| 10:41.18 | hyper_ch | just press TAB |
| 10:41.46 | DERBYSIEGER-icer | hyper_ch: ... if it is working i will not ask... |
| 10:41.57 | hyper_ch | press it twice |
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| 10:41.59 | cast | DERBYSIEGER-icer: bit of a bash/zsh question there |
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| 10:42.31 | cast | bash-completion package will add completion for some things, but i don't know about the pkg lists |
| 10:42.48 | jintxo | I'm not sure you can do that ... how is bash supposed to know packages available in debian repos? |
| 10:42.54 | Umren | its not always working |
| 10:42.57 | DERBYSIEGER-icer | jintxo: ubuntu can do it |
| 10:43.02 | Umren | yes |
| 10:43.03 | jintxo | great :-) |
| 10:43.05 | Umren | ubuntu can |
| 10:43.11 | Umren | my debian not :( |
| 10:43.18 | Umren | i have similair question :) |
| 10:43.20 | hyper_ch | yeah, just noticed same... works on ubuntu but not debian |
| 10:43.20 | DERBYSIEGER-icer | and i want that my debian can do it too |
| 10:43.21 | cast | jintxo: by checking the list the apt-cache checks :P |
| 10:43.28 | hyper_ch | well, just use apt-cache then :) |
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| 10:44.48 | jintxo | cast, yeah I guess. I just can't imagine a real use for that. oh well :-) |
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| 10:45.29 | mosno | why do i have to ^C after foregrounding say vim for vim to actually display? |
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| 10:45.46 | mosno | i don't recall this behaviour in other distributions |
| 10:46.06 | cast | tries |
| 10:46.24 | cast | vim ctrl-z fg works fine here |
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| 10:47.32 | mosno | cast: it doesn't happen at the time for me |
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| 10:47.59 | mosno | cast: but it happens both via XFCE Terminal and Windows PuTTY |
| 10:48.12 | mosno | cast: i'll have to keep and eye out for a pattern |
| 10:48.45 | DERBYSIEGER-icer | here is a german link wo auto-completion with apt-get https://www.adminlife.net/howto/bash-completion-unter-debian-etch/ |
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| 10:49.51 | Umren | wow |
| 10:50.02 | freaky_t | is it ok to make syslog globally readable? because some plugin can# |
| 10:50.07 | pranith | im running debian lenny |
| 10:50.11 | freaky_t | can't read syslog for statistics :( |
| 10:50.12 | pranith | is it safe? |
| 10:50.29 | Umren | safer than ost |
| 10:50.31 | Umren | most |
| 10:50.47 | pranith | Umren, sorry, i meant the iceweasel browser. it is version 3.0.6 |
| 10:50.56 | pranith | firefox version outside is 3.0.9.. |
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| 10:51.44 | Umren | i think there's only some small fixes there, that u woudn't notice |
| 10:51.55 | DERBYSIEGER-icer | ok, auto completion is now working :) |
| 10:52.06 | Umren | is there english version of this? |
| 10:52.13 | hyper_ch | DERBYSIEGER-icer: how did you get it working? |
| 10:52.19 | DERBYSIEGER-icer | Umren: just copy the three lines to /etc/profile |
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| 10:52.39 | DERBYSIEGER-icer | and install bash-completion |
| 10:53.08 | cast | neat, it does do packages :) |
| 10:53.27 | DERBYSIEGER-icer | then you have to re-login and then apt-get install apa -> tab will write apache2 |
| 10:53.47 | cast | hmm, no need to relogin here |
| 10:54.09 | hyper_ch | nice |
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| 10:54.15 | cast | [did spawn a new shell in screen, though |
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| 10:58.15 | cire | Hi, I am searching for a small utility specialized in generating small text pieces, adding effects as light, glare etc. and with the ability to output it in svg (or another vector based format) |
| 10:59.12 | abrotman | inkscape maybe? |
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| 11:02.11 | Sebi | hiho |
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| 11:02.41 | Sebi | my thinkpad keys stoppen wurking. |
| 11:02.59 | Sebi | stopped working* |
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| 11:03.35 | cire | abrotman: Does inkscape support light-sources and so on? |
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| 11:03.57 | elenril | how do i force dpkg to reinstall init scripts? |
| 11:04.03 | abrotman | cire: not sure ... i know blender does, but not sure it does SVG |
| 11:04.09 | abrotman | !tell elenril about confmiss |
| 11:04.15 | Sebi | i used them in kde, and for that i had to change udev permissions of /dev/nvram to world readable |
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| 11:04.38 | abrotman | you could put yourself in the group instead |
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| 11:04.56 | cire | abrotman: thank you, I'll check out blender |
| 11:05.02 | Sebi | but after the upgrade, there are no more udev permissions for /dev/nvram altogether |
| 11:05.14 | abrotman | cire: blender is a pretty complicated application .. you'd probably do better to check inkscape first |
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| 11:05.51 | elenril | abrotman: thanks |
| 11:05.51 | Sebi | abrotman: a user in group root for that is in my opinion shot with canons at birds^^ |
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| 11:06.27 | abrotman | Sebi: uh .. what? |
| 11:06.39 | abrotman | Sebi: nvram group ? |
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| 11:06.55 | cire | i checked inkscape first ;) I also saw some howtos explaining text effects with this tool. But every effect has to be drawn seperately (cloning text-path, resizing, smoothing it, and so on) This seems rather complicated and inflexible (changing text results in changing all effect-layers) |
| 11:07.06 | Sebi | abrotman: i don't think you shoud place a user in the "root" group |
| 11:07.18 | abrotman | Sebi: that's not what i said to do |
| 11:07.32 | Sebi | $ ls -la /dev/nvram |
| 11:07.32 | Sebi | crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 144 2009-04-26 01:07 /dev/nvram |
| 11:07.42 | abrotman | Sebi: mine is root:mvram |
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| 11:07.48 | Sebi | ah.. |
| 11:08.07 | Sebi | abrotman: are you using stable or testing/unstable= |
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| 11:08.32 | abrotman | lenny on this box |
| 11:08.46 | freaky_t | is syslog rotated using logrotate? if yes wheres the configuration? i need the creation rights to be 644 not 640 |
| 11:08.56 | Sebi | ok, it's squeeze's udev here |
| 11:09.06 | Sebi | then i should file a bug report.. |
| 11:09.21 | abrotman | maybe |
| 11:09.54 | nkuttler | freaky_t: /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 11:09.54 | Sebi | i thought, here could be devels around that could tell me sth. more specific |
| 11:10.03 | Sebi | abrotman: but thanks anyway |
| 11:10.23 | abrotman | Sebi: check the docs for the tpb package ? |
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| 11:17.47 | Sebi | abrotman: tbp package? |
| 11:18.07 | abrotman | judd: info tpb --release squeeze |
| 11:18.08 | judd | abrotman: tpb (utils): is extra; Version: 0.6.4-2.3; Size: 53.5k; Installed: 252k -- program to use the IBM ThinkPad(tm) special keys |
| 11:18.31 | cahoot | the birate pay? |
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| 11:28.59 | bolt | I have this sshfs mount, and on it, I'm allowed to do "cp -r foo/a bar/b/ && rm -r foo/a", but doing "mv foo/a bar/b/" gives me "cannot move: operation not permitted". how could this be? |
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| 11:30.11 | theflood | # Appears as ANNA |
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| 11:33.10 | elenril | anyone knows what is that ConsoleKit thing that got installed with latest hal good for? |
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| 11:33.46 | theflood | # Appears as XENO |
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| 11:36.16 | nightwish86 | elenril: hope that thread helps: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3600578 |
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| 11:36.40 | nightwish86 | elenril: i just switched it off ;-) nothing bad happened |
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| 11:37.22 | elenril | heh |
| 11:37.36 | elenril | i guess i'll do the same and see if anything breaks ;) |
| 11:38.03 | abrotman | theflood: can you turn off whatever that is? |
| 11:38.11 | nightwish86 | fast-user-switch applet may become unstable // in the worst case you won't be able to dynamicaly switch users |
| 11:38.31 | elenril | no problem, only one user here |
| 11:39.21 | nightwish86 | same for me, no problem for ~1 week, system is stable (stable as Sid/Experimental can be ;-) ) |
| 11:39.29 | elenril | lol |
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| 11:40.04 | szymon_g | hi |
| 11:41.38 | myrkraverk | I get "undefined reference to `clock_gettime' " -- but is in /usr/include/time.h -- isn't that a libc "bug" ? |
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| 11:42.04 | myrkraverk | . o O ( and I don't even know what version of libc I have ) |
| 11:42.39 | skanu | Hey there, guys! When i add ${tcp_portmon 32768 61000 rhost 0} to my config conky become lagging. How can it be fixed? Conky channel is dead rigth now i think... =) |
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| 11:43.24 | abrotman | myrkraverk: wouldn't your program have to include that file? |
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| 11:43.44 | myrkraverk | abrotman, yes, but this is a linker error -- it's in the header file, but aparently not in libc |
| 11:43.50 | elenril | undefined reference is a linker error, not compiler |
| 11:44.02 | abrotman | myrkraverk: use 'strings' to check maybe? |
| 11:44.14 | myrkraverk | or nm, I will |
| 11:44.16 | unbounded | hi, i just install X and nvidia latest drivers but getting error that it doesnot load the nvidias glx it loads up the X own glx module how can i make it run with nvidia's glx rather then the X's |
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| 11:45.19 | cahoot | unbounded: using gentoo or debian? |
| 11:45.44 | lazarus477 | Qestion. I am trying to find someone authoritive on linux power management and laptop battery software. Any channel sugestions? |
| 11:45.51 | myrkraverk | % nm /lib/libc-2.3.6.so |
| 11:45.51 | myrkraverk | nm: /lib/libc-2.3.6.so: no symbols |
| 11:45.54 | myrkraverk | what does that mean? |
| 11:46.08 | cahoot | lazarus477: I'd try thinkwiki.org |
| 11:46.17 | elenril | myrkraverk: probably that it's stripped |
| 11:46.24 | myrkraverk | oh, great |
| 11:46.25 | lazarus477 | CharminTheMoose: not a bad idea since I got a thinkpad, lol. |
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| 11:46.41 | cahoot | lazarus477: look at tp_smapi |
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| 11:47.09 | mirak | hi |
| 11:47.10 | lazarus477 | CharminTheMoose: I understand that using IBM software in Windows I can program my laptop battery to start and stop charing at a set charge or discharge level. I am trying to find out if the same is possible using linux software. |
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| 11:47.18 | cahoot | lazarus477: look at tp_smapi |
| 11:47.19 | mirak | in theory module assistant can do what dkms can do ? |
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| 11:47.30 | myrkraverk | well, at least I know my libc version now ;-P |
| 11:47.33 | lazarus477 | cahoot: In linux the battery remembers it's settings! |
| 11:47.34 | mirak | is it somewhat equivalent ? |
| 11:47.46 | lazarus477 | CharminTheMoose: The message was for cahoot . |
| 11:47.52 | abrotman | mirak: somewhat .. m-a requres it to be prepared to work with debian IIRC |
| 11:48.03 | lazarus477 | cahoot: Will do. |
| 11:48.27 | mirak | abrotman: you mean you need to create a debian/rules etcetera |
| 11:48.53 | mirak | abrotman: because I found dkms to be unflexible for what I want |
| 11:48.58 | abrotman | mirak: i belive so .. it's pretty easy to check if you're really interested |
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| 11:50.03 | bolt | I have this sshfs mount, and on it, I'm allowed to do "cp -r foo/a bar/b/ && rm -r foo/a", but doing "mv foo/a bar/b/" gives me "cannot move: operation not permitted". how could this be? |
| 11:50.23 | mirak | abrotman: I have failed doing what I want with dkms, though it seemed nice, but the problem is that dkms can't handle the fact that depending on the module configuration, you don't have necessary the same modules built. and dkms need a fixed array of module names, and fail if at least one is not built. |
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| 11:51.14 | mirak | abrotman: so dynamic kernels module service, is not as dynamic as it pretends |
| 11:51.58 | mirak | imho |
| 11:52.10 | abrotman | i've not used dkms so i can't comment |
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| 11:53.52 | mirak | abrotman: when you upgrade a kernel, is there a mecanism that tell m-a to update the module, or you must rebuild them by hand ? |
| 11:54.19 | mirak | I mean restart a m-a procedure manually |
| 11:54.23 | abrotman | mirak: i don't think so (not 100% sure i don't need m-a anymore for anything) |
| 11:54.36 | mirak | thanks |
| 11:54.44 | abrotman | but if there isn't .. you could hook it into the kernel-img.conf |
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| 11:56.07 | mirak | abrotman: I didn't knew this, tanks, it seems perfect. I will also look how dkms handle that. |
| 11:57.33 | markrw | does Debian Etch create a log I can search to try and find out why I'm crashing the system? |
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| 11:57.51 | xand | markrw: define crashing |
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| 11:59.48 | markrw | I'm running kdm window manager and every once and a while I get the screen to go black and I have to reboot using the magic RSEIUB routine. Doesn't happen inder IceWM |
| 12:00.43 | markrw | I'm hoping there is a system log that will have info I can look at to figure out what is going on |
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| 12:04.50 | akitada | How long does the community support a release? |
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| 12:06.37 | abrotman | akitada: lately oldstable has been supported for about a year following the release of a new stable |
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| 12:10.03 | akitada | abrotman: Well, that short support period would be one reason that companies tends to choose RedHat/CentOS. |
| 12:10.27 | abrotman | akitada: short? |
| 12:10.44 | abrotman | akitada: it's supported for the lifetime of it being stable and then a year after |
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| 12:11.03 | abrotman | and dist-upgrading debian versions isn't nearly as dicey as doing the same with fedora/redhat |
| 12:11.42 | lostson | no not at all |
| 12:12.04 | abrotman | and i don't think fedora has long term support anymore |
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| 12:14.15 | akitada | RedHat support looks really long http://www.redhat.com/security/updates/errata/ |
| 12:14.32 | abrotman | redhat .. not fedora |
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| 12:14.58 | cast | isn't it refreshing to hear someone complain about debian releases being too frequent |
| 12:15.13 | abrotman | that's not what he's saying |
| 12:17.03 | akitada | Don't get me wrong. I'm not a RedHat/CentOS fan in any means, but companies tends choose RedHat/CentOS. I assumed one of the reason would be the support period |
| 12:17.09 | cast | i supose not, longer spaces between releases would result in a stable release being supported for longer, but it's not something that is attributed dates |
| 12:17.28 | cast | that has attributable dates |
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| 12:18.16 | abrotman | akitada: they don't choose them because of the length of support AFAICT .. but because they can call and whine to someone that "Linux is hard, let's go shopping" |
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| 12:19.16 | akitada | Even if they choose CentOS? |
| 12:19.18 | nkuttler | i'd rather take one day per year or so to update my software than rely on backported security/bugfixed etc |
| 12:20.14 | akitada | nkuttler: Updating is tough work, and going to take more time than servers at homes. |
| 12:20.22 | abrotman | akitada: i don't think i know anyone that still uses centos .. but whatever |
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| 12:21.05 | akitada | abrotman: CentOS is still popular I suppose. |
| 12:21.06 | nkuttler | akitada: dunno, i have maintained lots of servers and workstations and have never seen any serious problems... besides gnome/kde not upgrding smoothly |
| 12:21.15 | abrotman | akitada: if you say so .. |
| 12:21.48 | abrotman | too bad not all distros report to something like a central popcon server |
| 12:22.56 | akitada | nkuttler: I don't use Gnome/KDE but it's still hard to test/verify software when upgradin |
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| 12:24.31 | akitada | abrotman: At least CentOS is free as in free beer, just like Debian, and has longer support than Debian's. I don't have any other idea why they choose it. |
| 12:24.32 | abrotman | akitada: so you'd rather just have RHEL2.1 running forever? |
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| 12:24.54 | abrotman | akitada: they only have longer support because RH does it .. not because the community does |
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| 12:25.51 | akitada | abrotman: I know and again, I'm not saying it's better. The reason I came here is to ask you guys how can I persuade my mates to think Debian could be our choice. |
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| 12:26.18 | akitada | What it could provide that's not available in CentOS |
| 12:26.22 | abrotman | akitada: setup a sample server .. and do a dist-upgrade :) |
| 12:26.55 | abrotman | akitada: most people are in awe that you can do taht with debian but not with other distros |
| 12:27.03 | alex_laptop | hi all! for monitoring purpose, I'm searching a graphical ping which can graph ping statistic on several hosts. any idea ? |
| 12:27.08 | abrotman | (i've heard it's nearly impossible with some debian-based distros) |
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| 12:28.43 | alex_laptop | I've try "pinger", a nice program, but now I'm searching a program which can graph visual statistics, like xload or pload |
| 12:28.50 | myrkraverk | alex_laptop, there was an X screensaver that looked like a radar that could work with ping (haven't seen it in years though) |
| 12:29.08 | myrkraverk | but that's not what you're seeking |
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| 12:29.40 | abrotman | akitada: i have a machine at work that started as debian 2.2 Potato (released Aug 2000) .. and is now running lenny .. i'll likely have to retire it soon if the architecture gets dropped for aqueeze |
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| 12:30.17 | liable | what arch? |
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| 12:30.34 | abrotman | alpha |
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| 12:31.12 | alex_laptop | myrkraverk: I remember this screensaver ! but I'm searching now a simpliest program like xload or pload, but for graphs ICMP response in realtime |
| 12:32.04 | abrotman | liable: i popped into the kernel room awhile ago and the guy who is seemingly the main porter said he didn't have an alpha anymore |
| 12:32.57 | liable | abrotman: aye, the less popular ports seem to be dying a slow death |
| 12:32.58 | alex_laptop | "apt-cache search ping" make my crazy :-) => apt-cache search ping|wc -l : 978 |
| 12:33.07 | akitada | abrotman: What about driver support? That's the one I guessed RedHat doing better |
| 12:33.15 | abrotman | liable: so wtf is keeping m68k alive? :) |
| 12:33.28 | akitada | Longer support and Driver support |
| 12:33.34 | abrotman | akitada: why? driver support is a kernel issue .. you can always compile your own kernel |
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| 12:34.01 | akitada | I heard redhat itself doing that work for their kernel |
| 12:34.23 | akitada | and backporting drivers from recent oses |
| 12:34.35 | abrotman | akitada: they have kernel developers .. every major distro has their own that contribute directly to the kernel |
| 12:35.06 | abrotman | at least that i can think of |
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| 12:36.20 | akitada | It seems I guessed right. Those two points are the things that are misisng in debian and companies like to have |
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| 12:36.33 | abrotman | which two points? |
| 12:36.50 | alex2 | anyone can point me where i can download testing netinstall version amd64 ? |
| 12:37.08 | alex2 | i cant find it -_- |
| 12:37.09 | abrotman | akitada: there is also backports.org |
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| 12:37.21 | abrotman | alex2: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:37.24 | xingu | alex_laptop: cacti is the least broken free framework I know of at present |
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| 12:37.53 | akitada | abrotman: 1) Longer period of support - 2) Better driver support (by their kernel developers) |
| 12:38.05 | abrotman | akitada: uhm .. #2 isn't correct |
| 12:38.20 | abrotman | akitada: and #1 is only true if you actually care about running a three year old distro .. |
| 12:38.29 | alex_laptop | xingu, thanks, I'm know cacti, and i search the same thing, but as a X11 program |
| 12:38.43 | jpinx-eeepc | nor is 1) debian stable is supported forever - just do the simple dist-upgrade |
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| 12:38.58 | jpinx-eeepc | can't believe what he's reading here |
| 12:39.14 | abrotman | akitada: and you're also missing that it's *way* easier to upgrade the distro version .. so longer support is really less of an issue |
| 12:39.19 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 12:39.19 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 12:39.20 | akitada | abrotman: yes, we tends write lots of C code and hacking around thousand of softwares, 3 or 4 years are preferable |
| 12:40.08 | abrotman | it can't be recompiled? |
| 12:40.17 | akitada | abrotman: not a issue much, because re-installing the os images can be okay |
| 12:40.20 | xingu | alex_laptop: in a word - why? |
| 12:40.30 | akitada | abrotman: it should but not always. |
| 12:40.50 | alex_laptop | xingu, for monitoring link quality in realtime |
| 12:40.58 | abrotman | akitada: sounds like crappy code :) |
| 12:41.15 | alex_laptop | ximple, like xload for loadavg and pload for network interfaces |
| 12:41.15 | alex2 | how i can install via netinstall KDE ? |
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| 12:41.46 | abrotman | alex2: aptitude install xorg kde kdm |
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| 12:42.10 | jelly-home | !test |
| 12:42.10 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 12:42.45 | alex2 | abrotman: eh via netinstall.iso |
| 12:42.56 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 12:43.06 | abrotman | when the install is done .. login as root and install kde |
| 12:43.08 | jelly-home | judd: versions xfce4-mcs-plugins --arch amd64 |
| 12:43.10 | judd | jelly-home: xfce4-mcs-plugins -- etch: 4.3.99.2-1 etch-backports: 4.4.2-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 4.4.2-4 sid: 4.4.2-4 squeeze: 4.4.2-4 |
| 12:43.17 | jelly-home | hm. |
| 12:43.17 | abrotman | or use preseed to do it that way .. if that's really what you want |
| 12:43.19 | akitada | abrotman: you could say that, but upgrading whole software tends to introduce some incopatibility |
| 12:43.22 | xingu | alex_laptop: there's probably a gkrellm plugin for it |
| 12:43.25 | alex_laptop | xingu, like that http://www.pingplotter.com/screenshot.html, but freeware |
| 12:43.50 | abrotman | akitada: there is also LTS from other distros .. i believe ubuntu and suse do it also |
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| 12:44.02 | abrotman | not sure how LT their LTS is though |
| 12:44.30 | alex2 | abrotman: its long time when i used debian but on neitinstall you could choose gnome/kde on non graphical installation :X...but i forgot commands :X |
| 12:44.41 | akitada | I heard Google use Debian-based distro |
| 12:44.44 | abrotman | alex2: that's afterwards ... |
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| 12:44.54 | abrotman | akitada: but i think their own custom one |
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| 12:45.00 | alex2 | no google use custom ubuntu |
| 12:45.11 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 12:45.21 | nkuttler | alex2: just install kde after rebooting.. |
| 12:45.32 | Jemt | Google has been around much longer than Ubuntu :) |
| 12:46.02 | alex2 | so they could use different UNIX/ Linux system :p |
| 12:46.31 | xingu | alex_laptop: I guess I don't really understand what's insufficient about cacti; the two parts of sla management are trapping on threshhold breach and historicals, and it's got that covered both sides. |
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| 12:46.53 | Jemt | I doubt it. Google probably uses their own distribution and a very custom kernel. They are actually contributing code to the kernel project |
| 12:47.07 | xingu | alex_laptop: if you're just after screen candy then throw /dev/random through gnuplot |
| 12:47.26 | akitada | So they don't have to care much about support period, unlike I do now |
| 12:47.39 | alex_laptop | xingu, I don't like cacti (cacti comsume more ressources that hosts it monitor) and I want a standalone X11 program, not a web interface |
| 12:48.10 | ersoy | How can I get information about make irc-vhost ? |
| 12:48.12 | alex2 | nkuttler: so you said that i must install frist with gnome and then kDE ? |
| 12:49.22 | akitada | abrotman: so in your opinion, in what CentOS better, and in what for Debian? |
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| 12:49.44 | nkuttler | alex2: i said no such thing. just don't install gnome. |
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| 12:52.04 | mib_ko2hjsl4 | hi all |
| 12:52.27 | mib_ko2hjsl4 | ive problem with pcmcia socket |
| 12:52.37 | mib_ko2hjsl4 | if i insert any card, it freezes instantly |
| 12:52.47 | mib_ko2hjsl4 | with kernel message: pccard inserted into slot 0 |
| 12:52.52 | mavhc | I had that with a broken card |
| 12:52.56 | mavhc | on windows |
| 12:53.02 | nkuttler | it? |
| 12:53.05 | mib_ko2hjsl4 | its a laptop linux-2.6.18-6-486 |
| 12:53.34 | mib_ko2hjsl4 | i have tried 3 cards, elsewhere works |
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| 12:54.11 | mib_ko2hjsl4 | whts wrong? |
| 12:54.16 | ajavid | good saturday morning |
| 12:54.26 | RoyK | hi all. I'm trying to setup cyrus imap with virtual domains, but it doesn't really work too well |
| 12:54.26 | ajavid | oh wait |
| 12:54.30 | RoyK | grandis.eventchief.com> cm user.roy@redaksjonskontoret.no |
| 12:54.30 | RoyK | createmailbox: Permission denied |
| 12:54.32 | ajavid | what is today? |
| 12:54.36 | RoyK | ajavid: sunday |
| 12:54.44 | ajavid | thanks |
| 12:54.54 | ajavid | I think my clock is all fucked up. I shall run ntp |
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| 12:55.52 | jpinx-eeepc | mib_ko2hjsl4: not sure if it's relevant but looks like you're running etch |
| 12:56.18 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell mib_ko2hjsl4: about etch->lenny |
| 12:56.33 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell mib_ko2hjsl4 about etch->lenny |
| 12:56.38 | ajavid | jpinx-eeepc, you got a eeep |
| 12:56.47 | ajavid | cool |
| 12:56.56 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
| 12:57.14 | mib_ko2hjsl4 | jpinx-eeepc: yes , i running etch, but upgrade impossibile |
| 12:57.24 | ajavid | nothin impossible |
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| 12:57.48 | jpinx-eeepc | mib_ko2hjsl4: why? |
| 12:57.55 | mib_ko2hjsl4 | and it did work, but now suddenly did not |
| 12:58.08 | jpinx-eeepc | mib_ko2hjsl4: etch is not supported now |
| 12:58.32 | jpinx-eeepc | mib_ko2hjsl4: you must have done something to provoke the change |
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| 12:59.51 | mib_ko2hjsl4 | ive no idea, what is the purpose |
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| 13:00.32 | jpinx-eeepc | if you can analyse the cause you can fix it the problem |
| 13:02.00 | mib_ko2hjsl4 | whats be watched? |
| 13:02.45 | jpinx-eeepc | mib_ko2hjsl4: look through your logs |
| 13:03.22 | mib_ko2hjsl4 | i have seen, but nothing strange |
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| 13:04.59 | lolufail | hi! |
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| 13:05.15 | mirak | does anyone knows how to add a custom module to module-assistant ?? |
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| 13:05.30 | lolufail | quickly, how can I find out what program binds to a port |
| 13:06.17 | simonrvn | !hurry |
| 13:06.17 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 13:06.28 | simonrvn | omg |
| 13:06.33 | lolufail | -.- |
| 13:06.34 | nkuttler | lolufail: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 13:07.26 | lolufail | thx! |
| 13:07.39 | lolufail | sry about the quickly, I just think my srvr has been compromised |
| 13:07.52 | sepult | lolufail: nmap |
| 13:07.57 | sepult | lolufail: stealth |
| 13:08.24 | J-_ | fail2ban is quite nice. ;) |
| 13:08.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | lolufail, not using all available letters and saying 'quickly' wont un-own it |
| 13:09.13 | lolufail | :D |
| 13:09.15 | lolufail | true |
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| 13:10.02 | lolufail | is it necessary for portmap to listen on all interfaces? |
| 13:10.13 | sepult | lolufail: no |
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| 13:10.31 | lolufail | sepult: it it default? |
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| 13:12.15 | abrotman | akitada: in my opinion, i wouldn't use centos :) |
| 13:12.35 | sepult | lolufail: no |
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| 13:12.45 | akitada | abrotman: me, too. but like to have some reasons |
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| 13:12.53 | sepult | lolufail: -i 127.0.0.1 in /etc/default/portmap |
| 13:13.10 | abrotman | akitada: i've been down the RH road .. i've had to support the RPM stuff .. unless it's out of my control, i'll not do it again |
| 13:13.51 | akitada | abrotman: was it harder than deb? |
| 13:14.11 | lolufail | sepult: yeah, already found it ;) |
| 13:14.18 | abrotman | akitada: i've had way more exposure to debian, so i'd say so |
| 13:15.49 | abrotman | akitada: you'll likely only get them to switch if they use it and administrate it |
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| 13:16.26 | Axz | guys i installed eggdrop package on debian where to locate eggdrop.conf file? |
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| 13:16.43 | Stanlin | help!! how to comment a block of code in Perl? |
| 13:16.50 | abrotman | Axz: dpkg -L eggdrop |
| 13:16.50 | akitada | abrotman: to make it happen, I needed strong points of debian |
| 13:16.53 | abrotman | Stanlin: #perl |
| 13:17.04 | abrotman | akitada: are they administrators? |
| 13:17.25 | akitada | abrotman: admin and developper |
| 13:17.42 | abrotman | akitada: the developer probably won't care i wouldn't think |
| 13:17.44 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 13:17.45 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 13:18.25 | akitada | Companies do not choose their OS for its freedom :) |
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| 13:19.02 | cast | surely it's a feature |
| 13:19.07 | Stanlin | abrotman: thanks... bro |
| 13:19.22 | Axz | Uhmm since i upgraded to lenny whole debian server is very slow the ftp even timeouts... any idea whats going on? |
| 13:19.52 | Stanlin | debian + NX = the rock |
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| 13:20.25 | abrotman | akitada: some do |
| 13:20.44 | abrotman | akitada: companies do strange things .. remember some choose them on the ability to click on buttons :) |
| 13:20.46 | akitada | abrotman: could be. |
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| 13:21.16 | Stanlin | anyone proficient in Geany? |
| 13:21.36 | akitada | abrotman: I don't use it for desktop so much |
| 13:21.50 | abrotman | akitada: it was a joke ... |
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| 13:22.36 | Stanlin | abrotman: joke? you dont joke or have sense of humor |
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| 13:22.43 | abrotman | says you |
| 13:22.46 | akitada | abrotman: but I cannot deny there might be that kind of companies ... |
| 13:22.50 | Axz | Guys is it possible to restore server as it was on begin? |
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| 13:22.59 | abrotman | Axz: you cannot downgrade |
| 13:23.06 | Axz | no restore? |
| 13:23.12 | abrotman | Axz: not like what you're trying to do |
| 13:23.24 | abrotman | Axz: you're better off trying to debug the issue than 'system restore' |
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| 13:24.03 | abrotman | Axz: are there disk errors? anything in the logs? do you see anything suspicious in top? |
| 13:24.13 | Axz | abrotman, whole server is slow ssh and ftp kinda stupid |
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| 13:24.28 | abrotman | that's not going to help you debug .. |
| 13:24.31 | Stanlin | how to debug? |
| 13:24.32 | Axz | and all after upgrading lenny |
| 13:24.49 | abrotman | Axz: are there disk errors? anything in the logs? do you see anything suspicious in top? |
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| 13:25.04 | akitada | CentOS Pros) Longer support, Better driver support of kernel developers - Debian Pros) dist-upgrade, *Free*, .deb |
| 13:25.19 | akitada | above is conclusion so far. |
| 13:25.22 | Axz | abrotman, no errors only timeouts on ftp and ssh takes ages to logon... |
| 13:25.24 | abrotman | there is no better driver support .. i said that twice now |
| 13:25.53 | abrotman | Axz: there has to be an error somewhere |
| 13:26.14 | Axz | when using wget abrotman gives me timeout all the time... |
| 13:26.18 | akitada | abrotman: Developers at RedHat backport that into their kernel, acording to what I heard |
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| 13:26.37 | abrotman | akitada: to which versions of RHEL? the ones that are only a year or so old? |
| 13:26.49 | abrotman | Axz: look for log errors on the server |
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| 13:27.04 | Axz | abrotman, what logs apache? ftp? |
| 13:27.14 | abrotman | akitada: i seriously doubt that RH is backporting drivers to RHEL2.1 and whatever 2.4.x kernel it is |
| 13:27.17 | abrotman | it has |
| 13:27.23 | abrotman | Axz: sure .. whynot? |
| 13:27.36 | abrotman | Axz: syslog? messages? lots of logs |
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| 13:27.48 | akitada | 5 to 4.x? I don't know, just heard they do. |
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| 13:27.55 | Axz | apache shown this error > Sun Apr 26 06:25:03 2009] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName (CN) `localhost' does NOT match server name!? |
| 13:28.00 | abrotman | akitada: i told you before .. backports.org |
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| 13:28.49 | abrotman | akitada: i'd imagine that once the .29 hits squeeze, a newer kernel would show up there |
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| 13:29.01 | akitada | abrotman: backports.org is for software... |
| 13:29.06 | abrotman | akitada: drivers are software |
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| 13:29.50 | akitada | didn't know bacports.org even have drivers |
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| 13:30.09 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=etch-backports&keywords=linux-image-2.6.26 |
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| 13:30.15 | abrotman | that's for etch .. but you get the idea |
| 13:30.28 | akitada | oh, good |
| 13:30.42 | Stanlin | sound like a transplant |
| 13:30.48 | Stanlin | what is the support channel for NX ? |
| 13:31.08 | abrotman | Stanlin: /msg alis help |
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| 13:36.01 | akitada | abrotman: how about release cycle? some criticize debian release cycle is rather slow |
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| 13:36.21 | abrotman | akitada: you just complained support wasn't long enough :) |
| 13:36.25 | abrotman | !release history |
| 13:36.25 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 13:36.37 | abrotman | akitada: some also think they release too often lately |
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| 13:36.51 | amphi | heh, I was about to say that |
| 13:37.04 | lolufail | hey, could you take a look at http://pastebin.com/m4f7a1091 and tell me if this is normal? |
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| 13:37.30 | lolufail | for example Foreign ADress: 88.78.196.22:3306 |
| 13:37.45 | lolufail | coming from my dovecot??? |
| 13:37.50 | lolufail | wtf? |
| 13:37.52 | akitada | I see |
| 13:38.21 | akitada | abrotman: I didn't complain |
| 13:38.30 | abrotman | though every two years wouldn't be bad i guess .. |
| 13:38.45 | abrotman | wonders why you care about long term support if you're also caring about how often they release) |
| 13:39.37 | lolufail | should Pid/Program Name _ever_ be empty?? |
| 13:40.10 | akitada | abrotman: managers tends to like enw things, whereas also like to hear the word "support" |
| 13:40.31 | abrotman | managers usually aren't fit to make technical decisions |
| 13:40.38 | dvs | akitada: it depends how large your company is |
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| 13:41.11 | akitada | abrotman: i think you're right |
| 13:41.47 | akitada | dvs: what do you mean? |
| 13:42.25 | abrotman | akitada: a larger firm might want fewer releases to possibly allow for longer running platforms and more stability |
| 13:42.28 | dvs | akitada: managers of large companies usually hate change because it's a big hassle to get everything upgraded and working right. |
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| 13:43.20 | dvs | is suppose to go into work today because he's PC is getting upgraded |
| 13:43.22 | akitada | abrotman: dvs: That's exactly my situation |
| 13:43.26 | Adminirator__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:43.33 | abrotman | !de |
| 13:43.33 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 13:44.18 | Stanlin | abrotman: can Debian be sold or distributed on embedded systems? |
| 13:44.23 | abrotman | akitada: but you're asking how often they release |
| 13:44.27 | abrotman | !emdebian |
| 13:44.28 | dpkg | well, emdebian is a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distribution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:44.31 | lolufail | could someone please look over my netstat paste I posted above? |
| 13:44.47 | Umren | !ati |
| 13:44.48 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. |
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| 13:45.03 | dvs | akitada: if you're thinking of installing Debian, now would be a good time since lenny was released recently |
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| 13:46.24 | dvs | akitada: you won't have a worry about another upgrade for about two years. |
| 13:46.27 | tecneeq | btw, are there kde4 packages for lenny somewhere? or should i go to testing? |
| 13:46.43 | Umren | testing i presume |
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| 13:46.50 | Stanlin | abrotman: if i use embedian, and it is distributed as a brand, on commercial basis, is that ok? |
| 13:47.04 | abrotman | no idea .. ask them |
| 13:47.11 | abrotman | tecneeq: ask #debian-kde |
| 13:47.17 | akitada | dvs: two years + 1 year as old-stable I guess |
| 13:47.23 | abrotman | akitada: right ... |
| 13:47.30 | dvs | yup |
| 13:47.36 | abrotman | hell .. if you don't really care about security .. not even then |
| 13:47.43 | abrotman | or rather .. official security |
| 13:48.12 | Stanlin | well security is abstract |
| 13:48.13 | raz0 | Stanlin, emdebian |
| 13:48.24 | abrotman | raz0: see above |
| 13:48.31 | abrotman | oh .. emdebian .. yes |
| 13:48.36 | Stanlin | any Debian Lawyer here? |
| 13:48.52 | abrotman | IRC INAL |
| 13:49.04 | Stanlin | i guess lawyers aint that smart |
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| 13:50.27 | skanu | what for debian use 52221-52222 ports? |
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| 13:51.17 | dvs | skanu: look in /etc/services |
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| 13:52.19 | lolufail | am i on everybodys /ignore ;) ? |
| 13:52.35 | linuxluser | curiously, are any of you running a virtual instance of windows xp 64 on your sid 64 install? |
| 13:53.22 | Stanlin | winxp64? thats bad |
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| 13:53.47 | linuxluser | is there any way for me to implement virtualisation without using the supplied kernel-modules packages? I'm tracking 2.6.30-rc3 from source atm, and would like to know if there is an option |
| 13:53.55 | skanu | dvs: theres nothing =\ my conky's tcp_portmon lags on this ports =\ |
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| 13:54.05 | linuxluser | Stanlin: it's faster than vista sp1 in my case |
| 13:54.25 | dvs | skanu: then Debian doesn't use those ports |
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| 13:55.06 | zxd | is netperf in debian? |
| 13:55.14 | skanu | dvs: how i can find which application use it if it's not debian? |
| 13:55.40 | dvs | skanu: lsof ? |
| 13:55.51 | skanu | dvs: nothing =/ |
| 13:56.13 | Stanlin | linuxluser: i couldnt find drivers for 64.... |
| 13:56.24 | abrotman | zxd: packages.debian.org/netperf |
| 13:56.35 | zxd | no ech |
| 13:57.11 | zxd | etch |
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| 13:58.15 | abrotman | zxd: not in etch .. no |
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| 13:59.33 | varlon | hi, I'm using debian unstable. so, why when I run "glxinfo | grep -i direct" I got "direct rendering: Yes", but when I run driconf from terminal I got a message: 'Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".'? |
| 14:00.03 | varlon | and driconf alert me, that no one dri compatible devices found |
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| 14:00.57 | varlon | I intall intel driver 2.7.0, mesa 7.4 and have intel 945GM on board |
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| 14:05.22 | Stanlin | brb, quick nap |
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| 14:07.12 | nan8 | is there a known bug in the user space pppoe? it seems tonight someone, managed to kill my ppp connection - maybe using an invalid icmp package (PROTO=ICMP TYPE=3 CODE=1 ... INCOMPLETE [8 bytes])? |
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| 14:09.34 | jintxo | lolufail, what's so weird about somebody querying your DNS? |
| 14:09.59 | nan8 | the really strange thing is that the ip-down script then crashed with a segmentation fault (pppd[1865]: Child process /etc/ppp/ip-down (pid 10564) terminated with signal 11) |
| 14:10.14 | jintxo | especially your own mail server (as I understand you said that the connection is coming from a dovecot machine) |
| 14:10.33 | nan8 | and afaik it is running as root? |
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| 14:20.25 | Bezierk | hello all |
| 14:20.51 | mikhail | hi |
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| 14:21.10 | mikhail | i have screen problems with debian lenny, it refuses to detect the proper resolutions, or let me force the right one, any suggestions, even xrandr refuses |
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| 14:21.34 | Bezierk | I'm running into trouble upgrading lenny to squeeze. it starts out by telling me it needs to restart gdm and after the install gnome gets into a startup loop and it ends up crashing |
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| 14:22.36 | Bezierk | i've tried googling it all up but i can't seem to find the right search string |
| 14:22.36 | Bezierk | any help will be apreciated |
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| 14:23.55 | mikhail | Bezierk can you nopaste the log ? |
| 14:24.34 | Bezierk | not right now as i've reinstalled lenny from scratch and the log was lost |
| 14:24.42 | Bezierk | sorry |
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| 14:25.00 | \amethyst | I have an rv516, meaning my card isn't supported by the newest sid version of fglrx. Will I get decent 3d with xinerama from the radeonhd drivers? |
| 14:25.24 | Bezierk | this could be of interest |
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| 14:26.13 | Bezierk | while trying to make a fresh install of testing from dvd it stops halfway comlpaining of having no kernel and no ethernet drivers |
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| 14:27.04 | Bezierk | although lenny will install with no errors |
| 14:27.31 | Bezierk | shouldn't squeeze have the drivers for my card |
| 14:27.41 | Bezierk | at the least the ones present in lenny |
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| 14:30.56 | abrotman | Bezierk: you don't have the logs to show us .. so we can't say if it was a GDM problem, GNOME problem, or an X problem |
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| 14:31.38 | Bezierk | i know |
| 14:31.41 | Bezierk | darn |
| 14:31.54 | Bezierk | regarding the fresh squeeze install |
| 14:32.10 | Bezierk | is the no kernel error common |
| 14:32.14 | Bezierk | ? |
| 14:32.42 | arvind_khadri | hi, anybody here has tried to get voice chat on gmail ? |
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| 14:34.42 | abrotman | Bezierk: the who? |
| 14:35.20 | Bezierk | i've also tried installing debian testing from dvd |
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| 14:35.59 | Bezierk | but it stops halfway complaining about having no kernel to install and it doesn't recognize my ethernet card |
| 14:36.21 | Bezierk | this seems stange to me as the ethernet card is fully operational under stable |
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| 14:36.38 | Bezierk | is this common? |
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| 14:37.23 | abrotman | it's possible it relied on firmware no longer there |
| 14:37.44 | Bezierk | ok |
| 14:38.01 | Bezierk | it asks me to provide drivers for it |
| 14:38.01 | Anne | What's wrong when I use sudo, and sudo sais "unable to resolve host -hostname-" |
| 14:38.06 | Bezierk | how could i do that? |
| 14:38.20 | Bezierk | a URI would be just fine :P |
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| 14:38.40 | unop | !tell Anne about hostname |
| 14:39.02 | unop | Anne, make sure you have an entry for your hostname in /etc/hosts |
| 14:39.35 | Bezierk | i must go away for a bit, sorry about the interruption. i'll leave this open in case anyone provides with link or search string |
| 14:39.41 | Bezierk | thank you for everything |
| 14:39.57 | Anne | unop re / how should that entry be? |
| 14:40.13 | Anne | unop: Where / how should that entry be? |
| 14:40.31 | Anne | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 14:40.31 | Anne | 127.0.1.1 Unknown-00-1a-70-94-d1-40.lan Unknown-00-1a-70-94-d1-40 |
| 14:40.38 | Anne | Unknown should be my hostname? |
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| 14:40.53 | unop | Anne, on any line, something like 127.0.1.1 yourhostname |
| 14:41.42 | unop | Anne, what do you have in /etc/hostname ? that should be your actual hostname |
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| 14:42.11 | Anne | unop: Unknown-MACaddress |
| 14:42.29 | unop | Anne, hmm, why that complicated? |
| 14:42.52 | Anne | installer created that name |
| 14:43.15 | unop | Anne, you can set a new one .. if you want, see the PM dpkg sent you |
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| 14:43.57 | Anne | another question, I got a >900GB partition mounted in /data How do I set permisions so everyone can change that dir/partition |
| 14:44.41 | merlin83_ | chmod +777 /data |
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| 14:44.50 | nkuttler | !tell Anne about permissions |
| 14:44.52 | unop | !tell anne about permissions |
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| 14:51.57 | LinuxMania | http://forum.linux-mania.org is looking for stuff.For more informations visit our forum |
| 14:52.32 | amphi | stuff, eh? |
| 14:52.45 | Bezierk | i am back |
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| 14:53.17 | Bezierk | regarding the botched testing disk install, nay thoughts? |
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| 14:53.29 | Anne | how do I restart a server (e.g. samba) |
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| 14:53.56 | enouf | what!? |
| 14:54.10 | RedMushroom | 8-| what what?! |
| 14:54.13 | enouf | Anne: not you ... |
| 14:54.17 | abrotman | Anne: /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 14:54.30 | abrotman | LinuxMania: please do not spam here |
| 14:54.46 | LinuxMania | okz |
| 14:54.50 | enouf | Anne: to restart a service , /etc/init.d/<servicename> restart |
| 14:55.02 | Anne | enouf: TY |
| 14:55.31 | enouf | Anne: /msg dpkg rcconf (has mucho info) |
| 14:56.24 | Bezierk | no thoughts on the debian testing issue? |
| 14:56.41 | enouf | amphi: i only got to a few of those chernobyl-y hot wings .. but that's all i needed amongst A-list women ;-) |
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| 14:57.12 | enouf | Bezierk: what's the issuse exactly? |
| 14:57.52 | enouf | s/issuse/issue/ |
| 14:58.56 | Bezierk | enouf: while running the install wizard it complains about having no kernel to install and then it won't recognise the ethernet card |
| 14:59.35 | jpinx-eeepc | what package contains "dig" ? |
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| 14:59.50 | enouf | !search |
| 14:59.51 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 14:59.51 | Bezierk | enouf: the ISO was downloaded from debian's http |
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| 15:00.12 | enouf | htdig msybe |
| 15:00.22 | abrotman | !find bin/dig$ lenny |
| 15:00.24 | mischief6 | dnsutils |
| 15:00.37 | enouf | Bezierk: i never heard of "no kernel to install" |
| 15:01.01 | jpinx-eeepc | dpkg is more use than aptitude ;) |
| 15:01.01 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, jpinx-eeepc |
| 15:01.03 | enouf | Bezierk: the ethernet is wifi? or requires firmware? |
| 15:01.10 | Bezierk | enouf: i'm sure you haven't |
| 15:01.14 | enouf | !lenny firmware |
| 15:01.15 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: or use apt-file |
| 15:01.24 | abrotman | !installer firmware |
| 15:01.25 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to |
| 15:01.27 | abrotman | that ? |
| 15:01.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dig' (1): (/usr/bin/dig) in net/dnsutils. |
| 15:01.36 | enouf | amphi: thanks |
| 15:01.42 | enouf | er abrotman |
| 15:01.44 | Bezierk | enouf: the ethernet is straigh-forward mainboard integrated cable |
| 15:02.21 | enouf | Bezierk: but what chip is it? |
| 15:02.46 | Bezierk | enouf: i'm trying to get5 that info |
| 15:03.02 | enouf | abrotman: jpinx-eeepc as you can see - apt-file is mentioned in the factoid ;-) |
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| 15:03.16 | enouf | Bezierk: boot some livecd |
| 15:03.25 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: yep - thanks :) |
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| 15:03.36 | enouf | or google Bezierk |
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| 15:04.13 | RedMushroom | what command can i use in the terminal to see my ip address? |
| 15:04.13 | anoHito | APC can work with zend optimizer together ? |
| 15:04.14 | enouf | nothing beats xanax + hard lemonade .. the morning after ;-) |
| 15:04.28 | enouf | RedMushroom: which ip address? |
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| 15:04.40 | enouf | LAN or WAN? |
| 15:04.41 | RedMushroom | the routers |
| 15:04.43 | Bezierk | enouf: http://developer.intel.com/design/network/products/lan/controllers/82547ei.htm is this good info? |
| 15:04.49 | enouf | oh, route, and arp |
| 15:05.29 | enouf | Bezierk: no - google linux + pciid of device |
| 15:05.47 | Bezierk | enopuf: will do |
| 15:05.51 | enouf | Bezierk: do you have windows running? use msinfo32 |
| 15:06.03 | RedMushroom | those both just return the routers internal address. i'm talking about what other people outside of my network would see |
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| 15:07.04 | Bezierk | enouf: windows would require a reboot |
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| 15:08.11 | enouf | Bezierk: well .. lspci -nn would do in Debian |
| 15:08.34 | mythomaniac | what is the best way to access a hd, in this case a second harddrive, on a pc over a network? |
| 15:08.42 | abrotman | samba or nfs |
| 15:08.59 | mythomaniac | abrotman, which one you like better?? |
| 15:09.36 | mythomaniac | abrotman, and why... |
| 15:09.37 | mikhail | can someone help me ? xrandr --output <what goes here> |
| 15:09.39 | enouf | RedMushroom: whatismyip.com |
| 15:10.04 | enouf | RedMushroom: i think the debian.paste.net site also shhows it |
| 15:10.13 | Bezierk | enouf: hope this is the right info >>02:01.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82547EI Gigabit Ethernet Controller [8086:1019] |
| 15:10.23 | enouf | bingo |
| 15:10.44 | enouf | judd pciid 8086:1019 |
| 15:10.45 | Bezierk | :) |
| 15:10.45 | judd | enouf: [8086:1019] is '82547EI Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1019 |
| 15:11.01 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, hi |
| 15:11.46 | enouf | RedMushroom: see #bash and ask for an even shorter script |
| 15:11.58 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:12.07 | abrotman | mythomaniac: it depends how you want ot shar eit |
| 15:12.20 | enouf | mikhail: likely LVDS ... |
| 15:12.22 | Bezierk | judd |
| 15:12.42 | enouf | mikhail: /msg dpkg dual monitors and readd |
| 15:13.23 | enouf | internal craptop would be LVDS, external would be VGA most times |
| 15:13.34 | mythomaniac | abrotman, only with one other system on the network; that system will only access files, and maybe need write access |
| 15:13.55 | Bezierk | enouf: this means it works under lenny, right? |
| 15:14.05 | enouf | yes |
| 15:14.11 | Bezierk | how can i make sure it works under squeeze |
| 15:14.27 | enouf | e1000 module is in the Lenny kernel and installer IINM |
| 15:14.28 | Bezierk | and if ti does how do i load it during install |
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| 15:14.43 | enouf | erm .. Squeeze |
| 15:14.59 | Bezierk | in the squeeze kernel, right? |
| 15:15.07 | Bezierk | mhhh |
| 15:15.21 | enouf | try expert mode ; also alt-f2 will give you a shell you can run modprobe from |
| 15:15.30 | abrotman | mythomaniac: don't you think that it will be hard to access files over the network if only one system is on the netowrk? |
| 15:15.33 | Wyzard | I've used an e1000 in etch and lenny and never had to do anything special to make it work |
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| 15:15.39 | Wyzard | I'd be surprised if it didn't "just work" in squeeze too |
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| 15:15.49 | enouf | .29 |
| 15:15.55 | enouf | quirks? |
| 15:16.21 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, am getting error when i ran full-upgrade, its got something to do with gdm .... http://paste.debian.net/34363/ |
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| 15:16.32 | enouf | the e1000e is the one that had "bricking" eeprom issues in .27 and more |
| 15:16.32 | Bezierk | enouf: i'll try all that |
| 15:16.39 | Bezierk | but will ask one last thing |
| 15:16.48 | Wyzard | yeah, I heard about that, but I believe that's been fixed |
| 15:16.55 | Bezierk | may i have a surething link to a squeeze cd iso |
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| 15:17.23 | enouf | Wyzard: it better have been - or intel suck huge hairy smelly ass |
| 15:17.34 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: check the BTS |
| 15:17.49 | enouf | !debian installer |
| 15:17.49 | dpkg | [debian installer] found at gluck.debian.org or checkout Dan Weber(beta3)'s implementation of it with 2.6 kernel at http://alioth.debian.org/projects/di26 |
| 15:17.57 | enouf | er |
| 15:18.02 | mythomaniac | abrotman, heh this is true... |
| 15:18.07 | enouf | !d-i |
| 15:18.07 | dpkg | 5.0 lenny is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 14, 2009). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Etch is still available from http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ . Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot @ irc.oftc.net. Also ask me about <errata>. |
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| 15:18.20 | enouf | last URL Bezierk |
| 15:18.53 | Bezierk | thank you kind stranger |
| 15:18.54 | anoHito | has anyone heard of Alternative PHP Cache ? |
| 15:19.03 | enouf | no |
| 15:19.13 | enouf | Bezierk: np |
| 15:19.17 | Bezierk | i'll try to do this and if it gets messy i'll return with logs |
| 15:19.45 | Bezierk | i'll be going now, as i need to get to work |
| 15:19.50 | Bezierk | thanks again |
| 15:20.04 | pseubodot | with evolution 2.26 accepted into unstable, is the mapi package part of evolution or will it be separate? |
| 15:20.26 | pseubodot | s/package/plugin/ |
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| 15:20.54 | enouf | Bezierk: it's 80+ F here and hasn't been warm in a while - i'm ready for the nude beaches - F work ;-) |
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| 15:21.41 | smacnay | enouf: well, it was nice here yesterday but is cooler and rainy today - can't wait to see the rain coats and rubber boots... (hmmmm, latex!) |
| 15:22.01 | enouf | too much protection! |
| 15:22.04 | enouf | :-P |
| 15:22.10 | smacnay | walking safes |
| 15:22.17 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, nothing, i think the package downloaded is bad.... can i cross verify its md5 ? |
| 15:22.34 | pseubodot | blames abrotman |
| 15:22.37 | enouf | !debsums |
| 15:22.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debsums is a package that will check a package's files against theirir checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files. |
| 15:22.51 | arvind_khadri | enouf, thanks |
| 15:23.00 | enouf | np |
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| 15:24.40 | arvind_khadri | enouf, where do i find a package's md5sum |
| 15:24.58 | Bezierk | enouf: this srping is completely schizo this year |
| 15:25.08 | Bezierk | hot in march and cold in april |
| 15:25.19 | Bezierk | i miss my sunnydays |
| 15:25.57 | Wyzard | It's warm here... yesterday I wore short sleeves for the first time this year |
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| 15:26.41 | Bezierk | i miss the sun so much i got a cold smoking a cigarrete in short sleeves outside |
| 15:26.45 | enouf | arvind_khadri: where? |
| 15:26.48 | Bezierk | valuable lesson there |
| 15:26.59 | Bezierk | but i must really go |
| 15:27.04 | Bezierk | gbye all |
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| 15:27.10 | Wyzard | Bezierk: I missed your original question, btw, but if it's any help, I have an e1000 card and a spare computer on the desk next to me, and Debian lenny (2.6.26) and Ubuntu jaunty (2.6.28) discs... I could do a compatibility check if you'd like |
| 15:27.17 | enouf | the packages.gz file has them IIRC .. but still |
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| 15:27.51 | arvind_khadri | enouf, ya as in when apt downloads a package, i want to verify its md5 with the one in the repo, btw i have downloaded that package manualy now |
| 15:28.11 | Wyzard | arvind_khadri: apt does that automatically |
| 15:28.35 | arvind_khadri | Wyzard, oh :) thanks |
| 15:28.37 | Wyzard | arvind_khadri: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 15:28.52 | Wyzard | It warns you if it finds a mismatch |
| 15:29.06 | arvind_khadri | Wyzard, how do i force the system to run a fsck on restart |
| 15:29.21 | Wyzard | "touch /forcefsck" before rebooting |
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| 15:29.40 | enouf | arvind_khadri: install and use debian-archive-keyring |
| 15:29.51 | enouf | and apt-key |
| 15:29.55 | arvind_khadri | Wyzard, just that command would do |
| 15:30.24 | Wyzard | arvind_khadri: yes, /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh looks for the existence of that file and always runs fsck (then deletes the file) if it exists |
| 15:30.26 | enouf | yes .. arvind_khadri BUT make sure your /etc/fstab contains a 0 1 <--last field for / FS |
| 15:30.38 | enouf | and all others have 0 0 .. or 0 2 |
| 15:30.55 | Wyzard | oh, good point, that too |
| 15:30.57 | enouf | arvind_khadri: man fstab |
| 15:31.12 | Stanlin | what is superior Python or Perl? |
| 15:31.13 | arvind_khadri | Wyzard, thanks a lot . enouf |
| 15:31.14 | enouf | arvind_khadri: and "shutdown -rF now" would also do |
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| 15:31.27 | enouf | man shutdown |
| 15:31.46 | enouf | Stanlin: bash |
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| 15:31.51 | Wyzard | Stanlin: Neither is inherently superior |
| 15:32.07 | octoserver | i see that i can set the link in the menu to sun as different user, but can i just change a .desktop on the desktop to run as a different user too ? |
| 15:32.17 | enouf | but python is OO .. i think perl is not |
| 15:32.26 | Wyzard | Perl can do OO |
| 15:32.38 | enouf | can do, doesn't mean OO-based |
| 15:32.48 | enouf | C can also do OO |
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| 15:33.05 | Wyzard | Python isn't "OO-based" either |
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| 15:33.14 | Wyzard | It supports classes but nothing forces you to use th em |
| 15:33.17 | enouf | ok - i stand corrected - thanks |
| 15:33.44 | RedMushroom | what do i do with a .deb file i've downloaded? |
| 15:33.57 | Wyzard | Python has simpler syntax for OO (and many other things) though |
| 15:33.58 | ballessay | RedMushroom: install it? |
| 15:33.58 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: ideally, you don't download .deb files |
| 15:33.59 | enouf | dpkg -i it |
| 15:33.59 | dpkg | package it is already installed |
| 15:34.18 | RedMushroom | ok, well what do i do with them, and how do i do it? |
| 15:34.23 | enouf | !8ball is RedMushroom going to mess with his dependencies? |
| 15:34.23 | dpkg | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 15:34.36 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: what are you trying to install? |
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| 15:35.02 | Stanlin | so Perl is pretending to be OO |
| 15:35.11 | nkuttler | perl does oo just fine |
| 15:35.22 | enouf | ooops .. gotta run .. one of my hotties needs my attention - bbl ;-) |
| 15:35.48 | nkuttler | perldoc perltoot for starters |
| 15:35.49 | RedMushroom | freenx. i went to http://packages.debianbase.de/stable/i386/nx/ and i'm seeing "freenx_0.4.4+0.4.5-3_all.deb" |
| 15:35.59 | RedMushroom | and i'm trying to use that to install freenx somehow |
| 15:36.38 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: you should get the debs from |
| 15:36.42 | Stanlin | NX website |
| 15:36.46 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: where did you get that url from? |
| 15:36.51 | RedMushroom | that's from the link from the nx website |
| 15:37.05 | octoserver | is there a way to launch a .desktop as a differnet user ? |
| 15:37.08 | Stanlin | NX rocks, im using it now |
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| 15:37.50 | octoserver | there is an option to change in the menu, but i dont see it in the .desktop properties ? |
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| 15:38.01 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: looks like you should build a source line that points there |
| 15:38.07 | RedMushroom | i've been getting conflicting instructions on what to do. one place tells me to d/l, another says add "deb http://..." to some file |
| 15:38.15 | RedMushroom | nkuttler: what's that? |
| 15:38.24 | trupheenix | hi i'm trying to install a .deb package. it depends on some other packages which i donot have installed. how do i automate the installation so that the dependencies get resolved? |
| 15:38.31 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: what you just wrote. the latter |
| 15:38.51 | nkuttler | trupheenix: which package? |
| 15:38.52 | RedMushroom | ok, so would that be the /etc/apt/source.list file then? |
| 15:39.07 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: /etc/apt/sources.list rather |
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| 15:40.17 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: lol you just isntall client, node and server. debs |
| 15:40.23 | codebaz_ | hi all |
| 15:40.42 | codebaz_ | who to install kde 4.2 on debain lenny? |
| 15:40.42 | trupheenix | nkuttler: virtualbox |
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| 15:41.08 | RedMushroom | so... i have the sources.list file open, now what do i put in there? i'm not seeing anything from the freenx site telling me "add this and this to blahblahblah", just these links to these .deb files |
| 15:41.10 | trupheenix | nkuttler: i already downloaded the .deb file for it |
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| 15:41.21 | ootput | codebaz_: you |
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| 15:41.37 | codebaz_ | who to install kde 4.2 on debain lenny? |
| 15:41.47 | codebaz_ | ootput: what? |
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| 15:42.16 | nkuttler | trupheenix: /msg dpkg virtualbox |
| 15:42.19 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: 1. download the DEBS, then type dpkg -i thedebfile |
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| 15:43.05 | chagaloo | no evrybody? |
| 15:43.07 | ootput | change nick much? |
| 15:43.11 | RedMushroom | Stanlin: just a moment, please... |
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| 15:43.31 | chagaloo | from codebaz_ to chagaloo |
| 15:43.59 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: install all of them at the time |
| 15:44.03 | chagaloo | who can help me for install kde 4.2 on debain lenny ? |
| 15:44.04 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: 3 debs |
| 15:44.16 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: dpkg -i deb1 deb2 deb3 |
| 15:44.23 | Wyzard | chagaloo: You'd have to either find an unofficial repository with packages, or compile it yourself |
| 15:44.39 | RedMushroom | Stanlin: ok, i did that with the .deb file i have, but it returned a bunch of crud about dependancy issues |
| 15:44.47 | chagaloo | ooooooooooooh!! what ? |
| 15:44.55 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: apt-get install -f |
| 15:45.25 | RedMushroom | k... |
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| 15:46.21 | RedMushroom | it asked for the install cd and started d/l'ing some stuff from debian.org's ftp server |
| 15:46.58 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: uh, remove those cd lines from your sources.list |
| 15:47.03 | RedMushroom | it's done now |
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| 15:47.32 | RedMushroom | i don't mind it asking for the cd every now and then |
| 15:47.38 | jpinx-eeepc | I have an SDHC card refusing to format. I've tried cfdisk and fdisk but neither can write a partition table that sticks - it keeps reverting to the original. Anyone got any pointers? |
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| 15:47.56 | RedMushroom | so do i do the dpkg -i on the .deb again? |
| 15:48.19 | adb | apt-get update , done ? |
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| 15:48.21 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: it should be ready already |
| 15:48.35 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: start NX service |
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| 15:49.09 | trupheenix | nkuttler: apt-get install -f |
| 15:49.16 | trupheenix | nkuttler: that's what i was looking for |
| 15:49.20 | RedMushroom | i didn't do apt-get update. i did apt-get install -f and it did something, not sure what |
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| 15:49.32 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | my compiz is not working. here is the the message being displayed http://pastie.org/458700 |
| 15:49.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | can anybody help |
| 15:49.47 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: welcome |
| 15:50.06 | RedMushroom | it's not installed, i just tried nxsetup and it said command not found |
| 15:50.17 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: install again |
| 15:51.50 | adb | RedMushroom: seen date of nx packages ....2005 |
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| 15:52.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | how to enable xgl ? |
| 15:52.51 | adb | !xgl |
| 15:52.51 | dpkg | xgl is probably the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about <compiz> and <xgl-howto>, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl or deprecated and unsupported |
| 15:53.23 | RedMushroom | ok, installing again didn't work because apt-get install nxserver freenx says it can't find the package nxserver. i don't get this. i save the deb file, run dpkg -i on it, and then apt-get install -f, apt-get update, before trying the first thing. |
| 15:53.39 | Eulex | XGL is one giant hack |
| 15:53.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | how do i install it the first case |
| 15:53.53 | Eulex | if you really mean XGL, use AIGLX instead |
| 15:53.56 | Wyzard | sh4d3sl4y3r_: XGL was an interim hack that was only needed before video drivers supported AIGLX |
| 15:54.03 | Wyzard | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Nobody uses it anymore |
| 15:54.10 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | then how do i get AIGLX :S |
| 15:54.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | compiz is not working |
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| 15:54.24 | Wyzard | Current xorg and drivers support it already |
| 15:54.25 | RedMushroom | what's not happening? and am i supposed to be editing sources.list or not? if i am, then what am i supposed to put in there? |
| 15:54.32 | Eulex | make sure you have a graphics driver that supports it and accelerates it |
| 15:54.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Wyzard : here is my issue http://pastie.org/458700 |
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| 15:55.16 | Wyzard | sh4d3sl4y3r_: texture_from_pixmap is a feature that has to be supported by the video driver... what video driver are you using? |
| 15:55.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | intel 965...... using the intel driver |
| 15:55.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | glxinfo reports direct rendering enabled |
| 15:56.26 | Wyzard | sh4d3sl4y3r_: hmm, I know the intel driver supports it; I use it on my laptop (i915) |
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| 15:56.48 | Wyzard | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Run "glxinfo" and pastebin the output of that |
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| 15:56.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok sure |
| 15:57.04 | Wyzard | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Are you running testing by any chance? |
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| 15:57.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | no i was running lenny. it worked that time. but as soon as i switched to unstable |
| 15:57.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | its not |
| 15:57.35 | Wyzard | compiz did work in lenny? |
| 15:57.41 | Wyzard | OK, I think I know what the problem is, then |
| 15:57.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes it worked |
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| 15:57.58 | RedMushroom | how do i find what i'm supposed to add to my sources.list file from a .deb file i've downloaded? |
| 15:58.01 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: no offense, but ive told you previously, install the 3 packages at the SAME TIME!!! |
| 15:58.15 | adb | RedMushroom: your nx packages ...from 2005, may be compatible only with ... sarge , in any case with your actual system |
| 15:58.16 | Wyzard | The intel driver in testing/unstable is using a new acceleration architecture (UXA) and not all the kinks have been ironed out yet |
| 15:58.24 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: you dont need to edit sources.list, you dont need 2005 deprecated crap |
| 15:58.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | should i enable stable and downgrade the driver? |
| 15:58.48 | Wyzard | Well, you can't really downgrade from unstable to stable |
| 15:58.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | no |
| 15:58.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | its like |
| 15:58.54 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: dpkg -i deb1 deb2 deb3 << do you see this? |
| 15:58.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | uninstalling the driver |
| 15:59.06 | RedMushroom | Stanlin: so i have to d/l the .deb files for the crap it's asking for, and do the dpkg -i thing on all of them? |
| 15:59.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | then will enable stable and apt-get install ? |
| 15:59.10 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :) |
| 15:59.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | xD |
| 15:59.28 | RedMushroom | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you're confusing me |
| 15:59.31 | Wyzard | FWIW, for a few days last week I was seemingly getting unaccelerated 3D (screensaver was very choppy), then an update (to the intel driver in sid) fixed that |
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| 15:59.43 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: yeah, get the files from NX website... 3 debs... for the 6th time |
| 15:59.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | RedMushroom : abrotman can answer that query well ;) |
| 15:59.55 | Wyzard | and compositing works, but there are still other quirks with OpenGL... it's just unstable being unstable |
| 15:59.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | @ Wyzard http://pastie.org/458707 |
| 16:00.06 | Stanlin | and abrotman calls me n00b |
| 16:00.37 | Wyzard | sh4d3sl4y3r_: See where it says "GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap" under "server glx extensions" and "client glx extensions"? |
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| 16:00.50 | RedMushroom | i still don't understand |
| 16:00.52 | RedMushroom | :-( |
| 16:00.52 | Wyzard | sh4d3sl4y3r_: That means your video driver does support the feature that compiz is looking for |
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| 16:01.02 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm that means the problem is the updated driver |
| 16:01.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | actually i heard some buntu guys were saying jaunty is shooting problem with the new intel driver |
| 16:01.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | as jaunty is based on unstable |
| 16:01.39 | Wyzard | sh4d3sl4y3r_: so theoretically it ought to be working even now, but the intel driver is quirky right now so I won't try to make sense of it further |
| 16:01.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i know the problem now |
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| 16:01.50 | xingu | Wyzard: I like to think of it as karma, for all the poo that's been flung at nvidia over the years. :) |
| 16:01.53 | enouf | RedMushroom: run "apt-get install -f" |
| 16:02.18 | Stanlin | stabs RedMushroom |
| 16:02.22 | Wyzard | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Rather than compiz, you could enable compositing in metacity (it doesn't do much in the way of effects, but you get drop shadows on windows, and it's working for me right now in sid) |
| 16:02.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !spank Stanlin |
| 16:02.28 | dpkg | bends Stanlin over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 16:02.31 | enouf | xingu: aloha amigo :-) |
| 16:02.43 | Wyzard | sh4d3sl4y3r_: or try the downgrade thing if it works, or just wait |
| 16:02.51 | RedMushroom | enouf: i've done apt-get install -f |
| 16:02.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i wil try the downgrade and report you |
| 16:02.55 | enouf | Intel doesn't even make video cards |
| 16:03.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Intel SUX |
| 16:03.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but the low end notebooks. you cant help |
| 16:03.22 | enouf | not in everything |
| 16:03.27 | adb | enouf: RedMushroom try to install stable packages from ...2005 http://packages.debianbase.de/stable/i386/nx/ |
| 16:03.35 | Wyzard | enouf: I wish they did; it'd be nice to be able to buy a cheap card with half-decent 3D and a good free driver for a machine that doesn't need nVidia/ATi performance |
| 16:03.50 | enouf | adb: ahh .. silliness to the Nth degree |
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| 16:04.00 | RedMushroom | adb: that's greek to me. i have no clue what you're talking about with that. |
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| 16:04.15 | enouf | Wyzard: matrox used to be that alternative |
| 16:04.29 | enouf | well -- 2D anyways |
| 16:04.32 | xingu | enouf: buon giorno |
| 16:04.41 | ShishKabab | Hello. I'd like to forward port 44267 of my server to port 563 of another server (because my ISP blocked usenet traffic). I've currently got these rules iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d x.x.x.x --dport 44267 -j DNAT --to 81.171.88.252:563 and the same for OUTPUT. This doesn't work, however. Does anyone have suggestions to make it work? |
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| 16:05.03 | Wyzard | e.g. I don't care if it can run Quake 4 but I'd like to be able to run a 3D screensaver |
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| 16:05.15 | enouf | xingu: indeed - buon parmariccio just now |
| 16:05.29 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: ive just installed NX latest packages on debian lenny, Without problems |
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| 16:05.41 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: paste the 3 file names |
| 16:05.59 | mikhail | xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed -> Can I get some help? |
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| 16:06.25 | enouf | Wyzard: people who use screensavers also use bloated DEs and should be summarily shot ;-) |
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| 16:06.59 | pawel314 | howto check what process currently use soundcard? |
| 16:07.01 | RedMushroom | Stanlin: how do i find out what the three file names are, and where do i paste them? |
| 16:07.05 | Wyzard | enouf: Take a look at "helios" from the rss-glx package and tell me it isn't cool :-P |
| 16:07.10 | enouf | pawel314: fuser and lsof |
| 16:07.18 | cahoot | pawel314: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 16:07.19 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: you said you downloaded all the .debs from NX website... or you are lying? |
| 16:07.30 | linuxluser | he's lying |
| 16:07.35 | xingu | Wyzard: I prefer skyrocket :) |
| 16:07.39 | Heavy-D | Hey guys, if i'm setting up a website for a user to login and update content on my Debian 5 machine... how do I allow him to update the website's document root because i'm assuming he wouldn't have the privileges to write to it if logging in by FTP |
| 16:07.40 | RedMushroom | i downloaded one .deb from their site |
| 16:08.06 | ronr__ | hi, I use postfix as mta and suddenly I'm getting lots of No space left on device messages on mail_create_queue: create file ... errors, but the hd has over 8G of free space!! any clues? |
| 16:08.11 | enouf | Wyzard: no thanks - i installed iceweasel just b/c my other 3 browsers, (1 is total bloat, Konqout) couldn't handle some crap site - and still .. fail |
| 16:08.15 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: ive told you for the 7th time, download them ALL |
| 16:08.25 | linuxluser | ronr__: inodes? |
| 16:08.34 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: and paste the names |
| 16:08.42 | linuxluser | ronr__: df -i |
| 16:09.04 | RedMushroom | Stanlin: how do i know which ones i need? i'm looking at http://packages.debianbase.de/stable/i386/nx and seeing dozens of them |
| 16:09.13 | enouf | ronr__: you sure var/ or something isn't full .. or as mentioned, out of inodes |
| 16:09.16 | ronr__ | linuxluser: yes, that's it. How do I free those? |
| 16:09.22 | enouf | heh |
| 16:09.27 | enouf | man tune2fs |
| 16:09.33 | mikhail | anyone? please? |
| 16:09.35 | linuxluser | :) |
| 16:09.36 | enouf | you can't .. unless .. |
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| 16:09.55 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: open google and look for NX, then click on Download for Server, and you get this http://www.nomachine.com/download-package.php?Prod_Id=721 |
| 16:09.59 | enouf | you took those precautions to adjust it when you ran mkfs |
| 16:10.02 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: get the 3 filers |
| 16:10.25 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: Note: Installation of NX Server for Linux requires the download and installation of three packages: client, node and server. |
| 16:10.31 | enouf | ronr__: or just delete / rm shit |
| 16:10.52 | enouf | ronr__: think about localepurge, apt-get autoclean, etc |
| 16:10.52 | keith4_ | how do I force grub to make a new device.map? |
| 16:11.03 | ronr__ | I didn't take any precautions, but just removing files should give me free inodes again? |
| 16:11.10 | enouf | keith4: --recheck |
| 16:11.10 | keith4_ | oh, --recheck. nevermind |
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| 16:11.16 | keith4_ | enouf, yah, just saw it. thanks |
| 16:11.22 | enouf | !win me |
| 16:11.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, enouf! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 16:11.46 | Gerlad | curl tells me getcgivars(): Unsupported Content-Type, what does it want? |
| 16:11.46 | enouf | ronr__: er .. files occupy inodes |
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| 16:12.10 | ootput | ronr__: i'd suggest checking to see if any zombie processes are holding delete spool files hostage |
| 16:12.17 | Wyzard | keith4: You can also just hand-edit it -- it's a pretty simple file and grub's autodetection could potentially get it wrong (though I don't think I've ever seen it happen) |
| 16:12.23 | enouf | i'd rm old log files too |
| 16:12.29 | RedMushroom | when i put NX into google it leads me to the nomachine website. i'm just trying to install freenx from http://freenx.berlios.de/download.php and the links on their site |
| 16:12.43 | ootput | *deleted |
| 16:12.48 | RedMushroom | i am not seeing anything about 3 files |
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| 16:13.11 | enouf | !freenx |
| 16:13.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main". http://wiki.debian.org/freenx #nx @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:13.24 | enouf | now go and play with windows |
| 16:13.40 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: open this website and RTFM http://www.nomachine.com/download-package.php?Prod_Id=721 |
| 16:13.51 | mikhail | uname -r |
| 16:13.56 | mikhail | wrong window, sorry |
| 16:14.03 | enouf | = ? |
| 16:14.37 | ootput | oh wow, 5 MB away from getting capped for the month |
| 16:14.43 | ootput | great.. |
| 16:14.56 | Stanlin | to much downloads? |
| 16:15.08 | ootput | Stanlin: screenshot script gone bad |
| 16:15.11 | RedMushroom | Stanlin: ok, i haven't been looking at this, i've been looking at something totally different |
| 16:15.15 | ootput | Stanlin: & downloads |
| 16:15.31 | enouf | keith4_: if you have issues with device.map - as mentioned - manually edit it - but also check your crappy BIOS |
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| 16:15.32 | ootput | Stanlin: i usually reserve about a gig for the last week of the month |
| 16:15.37 | RedMushroom | i thought that the stuff from nomachine wasn't free accept the client for vista |
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| 16:15.53 | enouf | RedMushroom: nobody cares |
| 16:16.23 | RedMushroom | so i d/l the client, node, and server, and run dpkg -i <client.deb> <node.deb> <sever.deb> and that will install it all? correct? |
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| 16:16.34 | enouf | ... |
| 16:16.52 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: are the instructions in English? |
| 16:16.54 | ootput | hmm, i wonder how much irc traffic accumulates to idling in 3/4 chans |
| 16:17.01 | enouf | goes out to get a tan |
| 16:17.11 | nkuttler | ootput: not much |
| 16:17.19 | RedMushroom | i'm trying to make sure that i'm understanding what you're telling me |
| 16:17.36 | enouf | ootput: nkuttler: traffic to whom? |
| 16:18.01 | enouf | ootput: depends on your settings and the clients' settings that are connected |
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| 16:18.35 | ootput | enouf: and figlet-whores |
| 16:18.48 | ootput | better be safe than sorry :/ out. |
| 16:18.49 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: the instructions are Cristal clear... just follow them |
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| 16:19.13 | enouf | naturally with hide /join and /part messages, i get a lot less traffic and that's less for the server to send too |
| 16:19.20 | Stanlin | 95% of the Americans dont bother to read User Guides, Manuals, Documentation, and will never do.... |
| 16:19.33 | muddd | damn rtfm! |
| 16:19.50 | muddd | i love the "i dont care how it works just make it work" attitude |
| 16:19.58 | nkuttler | meh, i have like 1 year of logs which are about 500M |
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| 16:20.06 | muddd | keeps us computer guys in money eh? |
| 16:20.10 | enouf | Stanlin: ya know, americans in general are dumbass sheeple, however, many of us aren't ;-) |
| 16:20.34 | nkuttler | enouf: smart sheeple? ;) |
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| 16:21.25 | RedMushroom | Stanlin: ah! that did it. i have it installed now. thank you very much for your help. :-) |
| 16:21.35 | amphi | and some sheeple are cow-orkers - the mind reels |
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| 16:21.57 | Stanlin | ive told you to do that 1 hour ago... you democrat!! |
| 16:22.34 | gaintsura | ampi they aren't cows, cows are quaint and serve a purpose |
| 16:22.50 | ronr__ | found the problem... massive amount of filtered spam :( |
| 16:22.59 | RedMushroom | :-| |
| 16:23.08 | Stanlin | whats better, being a corporative Rat, or a Debian developer? |
| 16:23.08 | enouf | nkuttler: few and far between .. but yes ;-) check out the Coastal areas ;-) |
| 16:23.43 | enouf | gaintsura: cows are not an animal - they were generated through GME |
| 16:24.03 | gaintsura | never said they were an animal |
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| 16:24.08 | enouf | gaintsura: ever see a "wild" cow? |
| 16:24.22 | gaintsura | maybe 2000 years ago... |
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| 16:24.49 | enouf | gaintsura: no |
| 16:24.57 | enouf | gaintsura: you suck at history |
| 16:25.08 | gaintsura | thats why I'm a tech, not a historian |
| 16:25.24 | enouf | gaintsura: same goes for Chickens |
| 16:25.29 | enouf | Colonel :-p |
| 16:25.46 | gaintsura | =P |
| 16:25.53 | skanu | gaintsura: if you dont know the past then you dont know the future.......... |
| 16:26.04 | enouf | apropos |
| 16:26.12 | gaintsura | skanu: indeed, I know the past, I'm just bad at quoting |
| 16:26.25 | skanu | gaintsura: xD |
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| 16:26.38 | enouf | know the future is not right though .. or anticipate is a better word |
| 16:26.47 | gaintsura | ture |
| 16:26.51 | gaintsura | true* |
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| 16:27.45 | enouf | ronr__: SPAM clogging the networks and disks? UNHEARD OF! |
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| 16:28.11 | enouf | ronr__: you should report that to someone |
| 16:28.32 | nkuttler | shocking! |
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| 16:29.02 | enouf | email ...was once a great way of text messaging .. now people are all thumbs with their cell phones .. it's an evolutionary invertation ;-) |
| 16:29.51 | enouf | unfortuantely, my fingers are too big fior that crap - i'm literally an ape |
| 16:30.01 | arvind_khadri | enouf, thanks, |
| 16:30.11 | enouf | np |
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| 16:31.27 | enouf | until i get a cell phone with a keypad the size of my PC keyboard (which is also a very ineffecient way of comm) then ... i'll call .. no text ;-) |
| 16:31.56 | nkuttler | texting is too expensive for me. i can call like one or two minutes for the same money |
| 16:32.10 | enouf | oh .. and i love the 3-4 letters per key shit |
| 16:32.25 | nkuttler | enouf: nah, that's basically solved with t9 and stuff |
| 16:32.50 | enouf | nkuttler: no, texting 1000 mess is 5$ .. compared to 50$ month |
| 16:33.01 | enouf | for unlimited anytime |
| 16:33.19 | enouf | t9? is that anything like the HAL9000? |
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| 16:33.53 | nkuttler | hm, i might not have the text-friendliest contract, true |
| 16:34.01 | nkuttler | it's a text input system |
| 16:34.37 | arvind_khadri | why dont you use T9 |
| 16:35.00 | nkuttler | arvind_khadri: he doesn't text |
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| 16:35.37 | arvind_khadri | nkuttler, one question was T9 made a standard or something ? |
| 16:35.52 | nkuttler | it's patented afaik |
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| 16:36.15 | nkuttler | and different providers have different systems.. |
| 16:36.34 | RedMushroom | when trying to connect a remote computer with the freenx client i'm getting an error saying ssh connection to host <ip> port 22: connection refused. how might i fix that? |
| 16:36.49 | enouf | ssh -vvv |
| 16:37.20 | enouf | or just take some more shrooms |
| 16:37.42 | enouf | gah .. careful though - some are really dangerous |
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| 16:38.19 | RedMushroom | ssh -vvv just returns the usage message about ssh |
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| 16:38.32 | enouf | tans |
| 16:38.59 | nathanb | I'm having problems getting a java app working for a new user. it works just fine for the user I set up when I installed the system (fresh lenny install) and for root, but not the new user I just created. I've made the new user a member of all the groups the first user is but it didn't help |
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| 16:39.15 | maxagaz | ih |
| 16:39.24 | nkuttler | nathanb: did you maybe put the java plugin into ~/ ? |
| 16:39.26 | maxagaz | i'm behind a router, how can i know the ip of the router (the ip of the network actually) ? |
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| 16:40.08 | Wyzard | nkuttler: btw, I've heard that text messages are small enough that they're transmitted in otherwise-unused bytes of the control channel that the phone maintains with the tower even when you're not on a call, so they don't actually use any "airtime" |
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| 16:40.39 | nkuttler | Wyzard: of course. we get charged for something that costs the provider nothing. old news :) |
| 16:40.40 | \amethyst | maxagaz: whatismyip.org would probably be the easiest |
| 16:40.44 | nathanb | nkuttler: which plugin? I'm not that familiar with java apps, but I've used this one for some time and its always worked. |
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| 16:41.04 | nkuttler | nathanb: /msg dpkg java plugin |
| 16:41.20 | Wyzard | nkuttler: The cost of handling it once it gets to the tower is nonzero, but probably much smaller than what they charge |
| 16:41.23 | nkuttler | nathanb: i assume you're using the same browser with both users |
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| 16:41.32 | nathanb | yes |
| 16:41.44 | nathanb | actually I've been trying to start it with javasw |
| 16:41.57 | nathanb | and via the browser |
| 16:42.11 | nkuttler | Wyzard: well, if it's in the control channel it doesn't cost more than maintenance... which mean it shouldn't create additional costs |
| 16:42.12 | nathanb | the problem is something about failing to verify the jar |
| 16:42.26 | nkuttler | nathanb: hm, no idea about that |
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| 16:42.40 | dimedo | how can i create a netboot image that automatically starts the NetworkConsole of the Debian Installer to let me control the installer via SSH while the netboot image is served via DHCP/PXE? |
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| 16:43.26 | Wyzard | nkuttler: That's just the radio transmission; there's also routing the message through the phone network to the recipient |
| 16:43.44 | nkuttler | Wyzard: oh yeah... still overpriced though |
| 16:44.38 | Ace2017_- | quick question, why are there no pre-compiled kernel modules? are they no longer provided? does the user now have to m-a a-i? |
| 16:44.40 | nathanb | This is the java app I'm trying to run http://xcard.seul.org/index.shtml |
| 16:44.46 | nkuttler | phone providers behave like an oligopoly anyway.. not that i really care though |
| 16:45.29 | justin | dimedo: that wasn't supported in etch(it might be now though) all you need to do is make a pressed file and adjust the params in the pxelinux cfg file |
| 16:45.48 | nathanb | a box appears on the screen with a bunch of progress bars then disappears before I can see what it says. |
| 16:46.03 | dimedo | justin, is there a howto or something to get me started? |
| 16:46.08 | nathanb | same thing happens when I'm running it as the first user, except the app starts after |
| 16:46.37 | justin | dimedo: the preseed documentation probably |
| 16:46.56 | justin | dimedo: you need to set the d-i network-console/password and password-again settings |
| 16:47.22 | justin | if you google for 'debian pressed network-console' you should find lots of indo |
| 16:47.29 | dimedo | justin, is key auth possible? |
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| 16:48.15 | justin | dimedo: dunno, might be these days |
| 16:48.39 | nathanb | if I run it via javaws it does basically the same thing except there is an error message. netx: Initialization Error: Could not initialize applet. (net.sourceforge.jnlp.LaunchException Fatal: Initialization Error: A fatal error occurred while trying to verify jars.) |
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| 16:49.08 | nathanb | I'm thinking its a permissions issue, but I don't know where to begin looking :( |
| 16:49.17 | dimedo | justin, thank you very much. |
| 16:50.50 | Stanlin | how old is debvian? |
| 16:51.58 | \amethyst | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#History |
| 16:51.59 | muddd | old enough to sleep by himself |
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| 16:52.27 | Stanlin | almost 20 years of Communism, camerades..... |
| 16:52.37 | nathanb | lol |
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| 16:54.17 | nathanb | is there an irc channel for java? |
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| 16:54.25 | jpinx | how to make wifi connect to my home AP at boot time? |
| 16:54.26 | zxd | anyone know a tool for testing UDP transfer performance |
| 16:54.40 | Eulex | nathanb, did you look for one? I'd guess #java or ##java ^^ |
| 16:54.49 | sepult_ | hey |
| 16:54.51 | nathanb | yeah, tried that already. |
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| 16:55.00 | sepult_ | why can't i change my nick back |
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| 16:55.33 | sepult_ | it tells me i'm in overflow and it cannot change my nick |
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| 17:00.54 | Polarina | How do I remove these "Debian specific" texts when connecting to an SSH server: http://simnet.is/gabrielp/paste/1 ? |
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| 17:03.09 | muddd | wait i know that one... |
| 17:03.19 | Polarina | waits. |
| 17:03.31 | mmind | Polarina, /etc/issue is one of them |
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| 17:04.12 | Polarina | mmind: That file has the string "Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid \n \l" ... |
| 17:04.20 | Stanlin | girl using debian? |
| 17:04.25 | Polarina | Oh wait, I found it. |
| 17:04.28 | Polarina | It's /etc/motd |
| 17:04.36 | muddd | doh |
| 17:05.00 | muddd | does it get overwritten on updates? |
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| 17:06.02 | avu | it's /etc/issue actually |
| 17:06.06 | mmind | yes. it's actually a symlink to /var/run/motd |
| 17:06.24 | mmind | if you want nonvolatile motd contents, put them in /etc/motd.tail |
| 17:06.34 | muddd | thats the one i was trying to remember |
| 17:06.43 | Polarina | mmind: Non-volatile? |
| 17:06.50 | mmind | `man motd.tail` |
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| 17:07.56 | Polarina | So changes made to /var/run/motd will be erased next reboot? |
| 17:08.10 | muddd | maybe just the next update. |
| 17:08.12 | avu | if you just replace it so it isn't a symlink anymore, that works too. and this way you won't get stuff written in front of it on every boot |
| 17:08.17 | avu | no, it's on boot |
| 17:08.34 | avu | bottmisc.sh |
| 17:08.38 | avu | bootmisc even |
| 17:08.48 | Polarina | Ok. |
| 17:09.06 | Polarina | So changes to /etc/motd will eventually get erased? |
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| 17:09.11 | avu | no |
| 17:09.17 | Wyzard | yes |
| 17:09.20 | avu | no. |
| 17:09.28 | avu | only /var/run/motd gets overwritten |
| 17:09.34 | Wyzard | and /etc/motd is a symlink to that |
| 17:09.35 | Polarina | avu: Difference? |
| 17:09.38 | mmind | /etc/motd is not a proper file; it's just a symlink |
| 17:09.42 | avu | Wyzard, whuch you can change |
| 17:10.24 | avu | Polarina, if you don't want the uname stuff at the beginning of your motd, you just make /etc/motd be a proper file and edit it to your liking and don't have to care about all that automatic manging anymore |
| 17:10.24 | Wyzard | your "no" response assumes that it actually has been changed |
| 17:10.45 | avu | which is what Polarina said |
| 17:11.14 | Polarina | avu: Ok. Thanks. |
| 17:11.29 | Polarina | Now I wonder how to remove that "Last login" part... |
| 17:11.56 | avu | Polarina, that's done by PAM |
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| 17:12.06 | avu | Polarina, /etc/pam.d/login |
| 17:12.10 | Polarina | avu: Thank you. |
| 17:12.20 | avu | (the pam_lastlog module) |
| 17:12.42 | avu | although be careful when changing your PAM configuration :) |
| 17:13.04 | Polarina | So, I should comment out "session required pam_limits.so"? |
| 17:13.08 | Polarina | No, wait. |
| 17:13.15 | Polarina | session optional pam_lastlog.so |
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| 17:14.21 | avu | if you're not sure, read more documentation. Never change the configuration of something as important as PAM just because some random people on IRC said it's OK :-) |
| 17:14.39 | Polarina | avu: But are you saying that commenting out that line is OK? |
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| 17:14.58 | RedMushroom | WOO! I got freenx running!! yay! |
| 17:14.58 | avu | Polarina, I'm saying you should read more documentation if you're not sure. |
| 17:15.09 | Polarina | comments out that line. |
| 17:15.32 | RedMushroom | grabs Stanlin and give him a big, wet, sloppy kis right on the mouth, a la bugs bunny in drag |
| 17:16.23 | maheshm | i instaled the iwl3945 on a friend's laptop |
| 17:16.46 | maheshm | it says wmaster0: no wireless extensin found when i do iwconfig |
| 17:16.54 | maheshm | any idea why?? |
| 17:17.00 | Stanlin | vomits a bit.... |
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| 17:17.23 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: are you a girl? |
| 17:17.28 | RedMushroom | and you ain't even seen what i look like yet |
| 17:17.35 | RedMushroom | not by a long shot |
| 17:17.55 | RedMushroom | i'm pretty hairy, and about 30 lbs overweight. i also don't have a job, and i live with my mom |
| 17:18.49 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: and... you like to kiss strangers... |
| 17:19.13 | RedMushroom | not just kiss, if you know what i mean >:-P |
| 17:19.32 | Stanlin | feels raped... |
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| 17:20.27 | adb | !ot hey |
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| 17:21.52 | maheshm | iwl3945? anybody?? |
| 17:22.04 | Eulex | !iwl3945 |
| 17:22.05 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch> <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:24.26 | RedMushroom | ok, now that i have the freenx client setup so i can use the computer remotely, it's time to get down to the very importatnt reason for why i'm bothering with this all in the first place. |
| 17:24.28 | RedMushroom | games |
| 17:25.34 | Wyzard | games over freenx? |
| 17:26.12 | RedMushroom | yeah |
| 17:26.13 | RedMushroom | games |
| 17:26.16 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: mushrooms + games , aint good for ya |
| 17:26.24 | Eulex | which kinds of games? |
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| 17:27.42 | RedMushroom | just the cheesy little crappy ones that you can get in synaptic. i like them. i guess that before too long i'll be starting on getting a webserver going again |
| 17:29.53 | Wyzard | RedMushroom: A game like minesweeper or something should be fine, but fullscreen 3D games, for example, will probably not work well |
| 17:30.18 | RedMushroom | no, i'm already well aware of that little fact. the box is slow as crap to begin with anyway |
| 17:30.31 | Wyzard | If every pixel on the screen is changing many times per second, no amount of protocol optimization can avoid the need to transmit all those bitmaps somehow |
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| 17:32.05 | RedMushroom | i'm sure someone clever'll come up with it before too long. as we shift closer to cloud computeing and distributed computing, it'll be enevitable |
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| 17:33.16 | Wyzard | If someone puts video games "in the cloud", it'll probably be done by sending high-level drawing operations over the network (like GLX does), not sending screen updates |
| 17:34.30 | jelly-home | Wyzard: if the client side is fat enough, it could be like pretty much any othe networked game |
| 17:34.34 | Wyzard | but I've tried running Quake 4 over a network using GLX and it was pretty choppy, despite having a pretty good 3D card and gigabit network |
| 17:35.04 | Stanlin | RedMushroom: Cloud Computing its a over-hyped scam |
| 17:35.20 | Stanlin | it is just about selling hosting :P |
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| 17:35.49 | maheshm | Eulex: nothing about wmaster0 not being a wireless extension |
| 17:35.55 | RedMushroom | well, my computing proffesor at school (intro course) says that eventually all of the "laptops" won't have any real processing power with them. you'll turn them on, and they'll d/l all of their programing from the cloud/server/whatever, and most of the heavy processing stuff will be done remotly |
| 17:36.37 | Wyzard | RedMushroom: That's feasible when the amount of input and the amount of output are both relatively small, and all the work is in producing the output from the input |
| 17:38.04 | Wyzard | but a game like the aforementioned Quake 4 is entirely about producing copious amounts of output (high-resolution full-color pictures many times per second) |
| 17:38.31 | Wyzard | so the network is a bottleneck |
| 17:38.35 | RedMushroom | yeah, systems like that are already common in places like warehouses. the workers all carry around little computer pads/scanners that act as a terminal for the systems main server, which does all of the work. what i'm saying is, though, that things like that will move more into consumer computers. |
| 17:38.58 | fish_zone | Wyzard: what do you think of this http://www.onlive.com/ |
| 17:39.03 | RedMushroom | yeah, i see what you're saying but i think it'll eventually be overcome without too much difficulty |
| 17:39.13 | fish_zone | check it out in HD |
| 17:39.48 | Eulex | maheshm, right, it doesn't, the real interface should have a name like 'wlan0' |
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| 17:41.46 | Wyzard | fish_zone: That involves streaming video over broadband, which means on-the-fly video compression (consumer broadband is not fast enough for uncompressed high-res video), which incurs both latency and quality loss |
| 17:42.03 | fish_zone | it's not what they say |
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| 17:42.52 | fish_zone | the only 'asset' you have to have is a fast pipe |
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| 17:43.54 | maheshm | Eulex: but i cant set an AP using wlan0 |
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| 17:44.09 | maheshm | it doesnt support master mode |
| 17:44.10 | Wyzard | If it uses your regular broadband service, then there's probably no QoS to ensure that it gets the bandwidth it needs, either, so other activities on the network (like someone loading a web page with lots of graphics) would make your game stutter |
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| 17:44.30 | Wyzard | Anyway, that's offtopic here and I need to get going |
| 17:44.30 | Eulex | maheshm, it's supposed to be in managed mode |
| 17:45.13 | maheshm | so iwl3945 doesnt support master mode yet? |
| 17:45.19 | fish_zone | Wyzard, sure |
| 17:45.36 | fish_zone | but that's the future of gaming |
| 17:45.54 | Eulex | maheshm, can't say I know what master mode is. |
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| 17:46.28 | maheshm | i heard so in ubuntu forums. thats why asked |
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| 17:47.47 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
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| 17:50.05 | aprendiz001 | I have problems with usb and cdrom |
| 17:50.14 | aprendiz001 | they are not mounted automatically |
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| 17:50.23 | aprendiz001 | this problem appeared next one upgrade |
| 17:50.29 | aprendiz001 | It is debian testing |
| 17:50.31 | aprendiz001 | any idea? |
| 17:51.16 | adb | !automount |
| 17:51.16 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount>, or <halevt> |
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| 17:52.08 | aprendiz001 | adb, but it was working before an upgrade |
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| 17:52.22 | aprendiz001 | I have reinstalled gnome-volume-manager |
| 17:52.25 | aprendiz001 | but not wotk |
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| 17:54.54 | gaintsura | arr can't someone for once make a great GDM theme without branding the hell out of it |
| 17:55.13 | Polarina | RSA_public_decrypt failed: error:04067069:rsa routines:RSA_EAY_PUBLIC_DECRYPT:modulus too large :( |
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| 17:55.42 | adb | gaintsura: why not you ? |
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| 17:56.43 | gaintsura | adb: have a good guide for building a gdm theme? |
| 17:57.00 | adb | no, sorry |
| 17:57.03 | gaintsura | hell, I've got a background or two I can turn into one right now |
| 17:59.08 | _infidel | how do i copy 2 files from the same dir(not your current dir) to some destination in 1 cp command? |
| 18:00.12 | aprendiz001 | have anybody problems mounting usb automatically in debian testing |
| 18:00.13 | aprendiz001 | ? |
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| 18:03.11 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 18:03.28 | Azrael_- | how can i configure my nrpe-server to accept check-commands only by a specific host? |
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| 18:04.16 | adb | gaintsura: apt-cache show gdm-themes |
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| 18:04.32 | SQlvpapir | what is the cleanest way to add support for usb mass storage devices on debian with full gnome desktop? I am looking at automounting any ntfs and vfat/fat16/fat32 partitions. |
| 18:04.58 | gaintsura | adb, I think I have those installed already |
| 18:05.13 | gaintsura | yep |
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| 18:06.33 | valdyn | SQlvpapir: works by default, pretty much |
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| 18:08.12 | SQlvpapir | valdyn: should I go for libntfs-gnomevfs or ntfs-3g for ntfs? |
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| 18:08.36 | mats | hello |
| 18:08.37 | mats | i have a question |
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| 18:08.39 | mats | : |
| 18:08.50 | Azrael_- | no questions allowed here :) |
| 18:09.11 | mats | do anybody know how i can get sound while i'm trying to use beep |
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| 18:09.51 | valdyn | SQlvpapir: the first one should install with gnome, and you need it, the 2nd you need TOO to get write support |
| 18:10.02 | valdyn | SQlvpapir: while readonly support for ntfs is there by default |
| 18:10.15 | aprendiz001 | can someone help me please? |
| 18:10.28 | SQlvpapir | valdyn: weird.. I installed the desktop+laptop+base on install and I dont have any of those |
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| 18:10.50 | mats | thx Azrael_ |
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| 18:11.17 | Azrael_- | mats: just don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 18:11.30 | aprendiz001 | The cdrom doesn't mount automatically |
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| 18:11.38 | Azrael_- | got no idea about your question... |
| 18:11.48 | valdyn | SQlvpapir: uh, libntfs-gnomevfs is for browsing unmounted ntfs filesystems it seems |
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| 18:12.07 | aprendiz001 | I have fixed the usb with usbmount although is not the best solution, but I don't know with the cdrom |
| 18:12.10 | RRubia_tetonisX | http://www.libertymoda.es estrenamos página, por eso hoy CIBERCHAT GRATIS! me lo kito todo para ti GRATIS solo por hoy!! http://www.libertymoda.es queremos captar gente, entra. |
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| 18:14.12 | SQlvpapir | valdyn: I lost my usb dongle last week so i will have to borrow one to test what makes it most transparent for the user.. I guess downloading all the packages and trying one by one will be the most effortless and lazy solution ;-) |
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| 18:20.23 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 18:23.27 | Stanlin | how to split an text file , into an array, perl ? |
| 18:23.46 | patrikf | Stanlin: #perl |
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| 18:24.55 | Stanlin | i dont have the charracter number |
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| 18:26.16 | octoserver | isnt there a command to run a thurough test on a hard drive if it is smart enabled? |
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| 18:27.26 | Eulex | octoserver, smartctl |
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| 18:28.26 | octoserver | i thought i remembered a command that you can run and the drive will test itself for an hour or so and you can check the status of it from fdisk or something? |
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| 18:29.44 | Eulex | octoserver, right, smartctl can do that |
| 18:29.55 | octoserver | ok cool thanks |
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| 18:35.35 | Stanlin | how to list ONLY the usb partitions on the syste,? |
| 18:35.45 | Stanlin | need help plz |
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| 18:36.55 | mib_3ewejc | i am having a vpn issue, specifically i cannot connect to a vpn because it requires i refuse eap, i tried adding a key to refuse eap in gconf-editor and by editing the text file manually, but to no avail |
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| 18:40.37 | RedMushroom | where would i find the apache2.conf file after running apt-get install apache2 and apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork? i tried locate apache2.conf and locate conf.d/php.ini and found nothing each time |
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| 18:42.45 | aprendiz001 | I can't mount the cdrom automacally in debian testing |
| 18:42.48 | aprendiz001 | any idea? |
| 18:42.51 | hjb | RedMushroom: at /etc/apache2 ? |
| 18:43.23 | hjb | aprendiz001: which desktop environment are you using? |
| 18:43.36 | aprendiz001 | gnome |
| 18:43.44 | aprendiz001 | it was working before |
| 18:43.54 | aprendiz001 | but next upgrading |
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| 18:44.10 | aprendiz001 | the cdrom and usb can't mount automatically |
| 18:44.21 | hjb | aprendiz001: hmm, i wonder if there's something broken with it... yesterday evening there was someone here asking about the same prob |
| 18:44.31 | aprendiz001 | I was waiting for a new upgrade to solve it |
| 18:44.55 | hjb | aprendiz001: are there open bug reports about that problem? |
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| 18:45.01 | aprendiz001 | yes but next 10 days I think that maybe no other people have the same problem |
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| 18:45.22 | aprendiz001 | hjb, I didn't find anything about a bug |
| 18:45.38 | hjb | aprendiz001: as i said, yesterday here was someone else |
| 18:45.51 | hjb | aprendiz001: how did you check for a bug report on this? |
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| 18:46.46 | aprendiz001 | I was looking in google |
| 18:47.07 | hjb | aprendiz001: try bugs.debian.org instead |
| 18:47.13 | aprendiz001 | oks |
| 18:49.14 | hjb | aprendiz001: try looking at gnome-vfs-daemon first |
| 18:49.40 | aprendiz001 | in bugs.debian.org |
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| 18:49.46 | aprendiz001 | ? |
| 18:49.48 | hjb | aprendiz001: y |
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| 18:51.06 | hjb | aprendiz001: what are you running? stable/testing/unstable? |
| 18:51.25 | aprendiz001 | testing |
| 18:52.12 | hjb | aprendiz001: i'm currently on stable and the problem isn't here, so i can't check :-/ |
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| 18:52.26 | hjb | maybe someone else here is running testing too |
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| 18:52.47 | aprendiz001 | I have asked before but looks like no one |
| 18:53.11 | aprendiz001 | I can't find the bug or something |
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| 18:54.24 | hjb | aprendiz001: please paste the output of a running dbus-monitor after inserting a cd |
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| 18:55.15 | bluesceada | anyone knows why clock() from time.h would always return me 0 |
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| 18:57.18 | Stanlin | how to list ONLY the usb partitions on the syste,? help plz |
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| 18:58.56 | amphi | Stanlin: look under /dev/bus/usb perhaps |
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| 19:01.42 | hjb | aprendiz001: look at bugs.debian.org/525219 |
| 19:01.52 | hjb | aprendiz001: seems to be already known |
| 19:02.21 | hjb | aprendiz001: according to the report, it's fixed in unstable |
| 19:02.55 | hjb | btw. why should someone *not* report bugs against testing? |
| 19:03.10 | jxrgx_ | hjb, I am trying to put in pastebin the result you asked me before but I can't access to the url |
| 19:03.53 | hjb | jxrgx_ are you aprendiz001 ??? |
| 19:04.01 | jxrgx_ | yes |
| 19:04.11 | jxrgx_ | sorry, my connection was reset |
| 19:04.17 | jxrgx_ | and put this name |
| 19:04.35 | mirak | there is a bug on dh_clean, it complains that debian/control is not there, however there is already a debian/mypackage.control file |
| 19:04.38 | hjb | hmm, ok. forget about that paste and read bugs.debian.org/525219 ;) |
| 19:04.53 | mirak | isn't it strange ? |
| 19:05.04 | mirak | if I put an empty control file it works |
| 19:05.25 | jxrgx_ | hjb, so I have to wait |
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| 19:05.38 | jxrgx_ | they release for testing |
| 19:05.39 | hjb | jxrgx_: or switch to unstable |
| 19:05.51 | jxrgx_ | better wait :D |
| 19:05.58 | hjb | hehe |
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| 19:06.10 | jxrgx_ | but they are working on it, aren´t they? |
| 19:06.11 | mirak | hum or not |
| 19:06.31 | hjb | i have to ask again: why should someone *not* report bugs against testing? where's any hint explaining this to the user |
| 19:07.01 | hjb | jxrgx_: no idea, think so. normally packages from unstable are coming to testing after some time |
| 19:07.22 | themill | mirak: what do you hope that mypackage.control is going to achieve that debian/control is not going to achieve? |
| 19:07.24 | jxrgx_ | hjb, looks like it is suposed that bugs in unstable are the same in lenny although it was specifically |
| 19:07.26 | hjb | jxrgx_: at least i remember having read this somewhere :D |
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| 19:08.26 | mirak | themill: for sure I will not try to debug dh_clean, I will go for a basic control file |
| 19:08.28 | jxrgx_ | hjb, too mucha thank helping me |
| 19:08.43 | mirak | themill: I am doing a modula assistant package |
| 19:08.45 | hjb | jxrgx_: np |
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| 19:09.24 | mirak | themill: however it seems it's messing himself a bit |
| 19:09.52 | themill | mirak: debian/control is for the source package not for the binary package. It doesn't make sense to have mypackage.control. |
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| 19:10.19 | mirak | themill: ha ok, thanks |
| 19:10.36 | mirak | themill: this explain my issue |
| 19:10.47 | themill | indeed ;) |
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| 19:11.13 | lillis | hmm |
| 19:11.13 | bluesceada | anyone knows why clock() from time.h would always return me 0.... -1 is the error case, so there is something else wrong |
| 19:11.20 | lillis | I can play mp3files but I cant encode them |
| 19:11.24 | lillis | with soundconverter etc |
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| 19:11.28 | giupy | hi |
| 19:11.28 | lillis | what do I need to install? |
| 19:11.36 | mirak | themill: I did a v4l-dvb-source-_KVERS_.control.modules.in if you want to know :) |
| 19:11.43 | mirak | why it did'nt worked |
| 19:11.59 | giupy | my boot is slow and makes some minutes at his point: intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 55442 usecs |
| 19:12.03 | giupy | how can i solve it |
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| 19:12.47 | mirak | themill: as far as I understand control.modules.in should work |
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| 19:13.17 | Vorbote | !lame | lillis |
| 19:13.17 | dpkg | | lillis is completely not lame. |
| 19:13.29 | linduxed | is there a way to a way to have apt print a list of installed packages, in such a manner that i can just direct apt to that list after a reinstall? |
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| 19:14.00 | themill | dpkg: tell linduxed about aptitude clone |
| 19:14.10 | Vorbote | lillis: evidently I've lost practice with the bot :-) Anyway, in a privage message (not the chanel!) ask dpkg about lame |
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| 19:14.55 | lillis | Vorbote: thanks for the help :) |
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| 19:16.09 | Stanlin | HELP what package contains this : Can't locate Sys/Filesystem.pm in @INC ??? |
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| 19:17.08 | nkuttler | Stanlin: what gives you that error? |
| 19:17.37 | Stanlin | nkuttler: when i try to run a script |
| 19:17.59 | nkuttler | Stanlin: that's obvious |
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| 19:18.09 | Stanlin | nkuttler: i think its perl |
| 19:18.20 | themill | that's also obvious |
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| 19:18.24 | nkuttler | Stanlin: apt-cache search perl sys file i guess |
| 19:18.28 | Stanlin | in centos is named yum install perl-File-System perl-Filesys-Df |
| 19:18.42 | Stanlin | nkuttler: i did that, ive installed all, nothing matches |
| 19:18.57 | nkuttler | Stanlin: cpan to the rescue |
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| 19:19.16 | SQlvpapir | did anyoner ever attempt to make a script that automatically detects installed hardware and lets one strip everything else? that would make it much much easier to make a fully customized kernel O.O |
| 19:19.25 | themill | !dh-make-perl |
| 19:19.25 | dpkg | dh-make-perl is, like, a packaged script that converts Perl modules snagged from CPAN into .deb archives. You get to use CPAN archives, Debian's dependencies stay in one piece, everybody's happy. |
| 19:19.26 | SQlvpapir | and perfect for embedded machines |
| 19:19.32 | path_ | try dmidecode SolarGuy |
| 19:19.36 | nkuttler | oh yeah, and that |
| 19:19.36 | Vorbote | Stanlin: have you tried using the database at http://packages.debian.org/ ? |
| 19:19.38 | path_ | SQlvpapir I meant |
| 19:19.54 | Stanlin | Vorbote: yeah... |
| 19:20.00 | nkuttler | deb http://debian.pkgs.cpan.org/debian stable main |
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| 19:20.35 | lolufail | hi! |
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| 19:20.49 | lillis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.56 | lillis | any tip where to go frmo here? |
| 19:20.59 | lillis | from* |
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| 19:21.07 | nkuttler | lillis: /msg dpkg lame |
| 19:21.24 | lillis | I installed it from debian-multimedia |
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| 19:21.44 | SQlvpapir | path_: dmidecode could be used for such a script but does not provide any such feature by itself |
| 19:21.51 | nkuttler | lillis: output of "which lame"? |
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| 19:22.02 | path_ | SQlvpapir, of course work is needed :-) |
| 19:22.03 | lukas___ | Hi, I would like to optimize my system (recompile it), is it safe to apt-build the whole system? |
| 19:22.12 | lillis | /usr/bin/lame |
| 19:22.17 | path_ | why not? lukas___ ? |
| 19:22.23 | lillis | "lame (3.98.2-0.4" |
| 19:22.24 | nkuttler | lillis: so what is the "it" you're talking about? |
| 19:22.30 | themill | lukas___: spend your time doing something useful instead |
| 19:22.34 | lolufail | is it possible for an distributed attacker to fake packages in a way that it looks like I was doing a sql sweep? |
| 19:22.35 | lolufail | I keep getting emails from my hoster, "Many connections to different machines, to the same port from the same source IP. TCP."..... myip:randomport -> manyips:3306 |
| 19:22.40 | lillis | soundconverter |
| 19:22.52 | lukas___ | themill: for me this has sense because I need small running system |
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| 19:23.00 | lillis | is there a way to try to do it with ffmpeg instead, just so see if its soundconverter or lame that's wrong? |
| 19:23.00 | zinx | lolufail: not easily with TCP |
| 19:23.06 | lukas___ | themill: it is not just as I can :) |
| 19:23.09 | Vorbote | lillis: you need to install the gstreamer codecs available at debian-multimedia, partidfularly the "ugly" plugins |
| 19:23.41 | lillis | have those |
| 19:23.41 | lolufail | zinx: because I cannot find anything "bad" running on the machine, and no brake-in, yet I sometimes see those connections in netstat. then they are gone |
| 19:23.44 | Vorbote | lillis: you could use gstreamer-ffmpeg from debian-multimedia, but be prepared for great b0rkage. There be dragons. |
| 19:24.02 | zinx | lolufail: you probably have a rootkit or something that's hiding itself :/ |
| 19:24.02 | lukas___ | themill: I need it for virtual system |
| 19:24.04 | lolufail | it's driving me mad, they keep shutting down the server "hacked" |
| 19:24.08 | SQlvpapir | path_: I bet it would make for a nice project.. will keep it in mind. however I need a lot more background knowledge to make a script that will suggest a .config based on user input and "connected", detectable hardware |
| 19:24.20 | zinx | lolufail: the most likely situation is that it is hacked. |
| 19:24.21 | lukas___ | maybe debian is not suitable to be virtualized |
| 19:24.26 | lolufail | zinx: -.- fuck |
| 19:24.29 | nkuttler | lolufail: reinstall from backups |
| 19:24.44 | path_ | SQlvpapir, I remember one site that does the job.. it tells you which modules you need |
| 19:24.51 | lolufail | nkuttler: downtime :( |
| 19:25.08 | lolufail | nkuttler: and backups are a bit old ;) as they always are -.- |
| 19:25.13 | nkuttler | lolufail: well.. |
| 19:25.17 | nkuttler | lolufail: dunno, mine are daily |
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| 19:25.59 | lolufail | I'd much rather like to remove the rootkit ;) |
| 19:26.01 | nkuttler | lolufail: for downtime... it depends which services you are running, and if you have other hosts to redirect things to |
| 19:26.02 | SQlvpapir | path_: yeah the debian hcl "project" |
| 19:26.09 | nkuttler | lolufail: good luck! |
| 19:26.10 | SQlvpapir | path_: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 19:26.17 | path_ | yes that one SQlvpapir |
| 19:27.41 | RedMushroom | what's the apt command that fixes dependancy errors, that i use on a .deb download before i do dpkg -i on it? |
| 19:27.43 | lillis | seems its soundconverter that's messing with me |
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| 19:27.57 | SQlvpapir | path_: it would be nice with a smaller footprint kernel and faster compile time for a lot of boxes.. however it requires a lot of work every time so a project like that could become very popular |
| 19:28.01 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: yeah, well, which error do you get? |
| 19:28.17 | path_ | SQlvpapir, indeed |
| 19:28.22 | dvs | RedMushroom: I think you just have to download the missing packages |
| 19:28.34 | RedMushroom | just a bunch of dependency errors saying this and that is not installed |
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| 19:29.01 | linduxed | themill: thx for the tip |
| 19:29.12 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: i think i already told you to paste your errors.. |
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| 19:29.20 | lolufail | ok, thx guise |
| 19:29.24 | RedMushroom | just a sec |
| 19:29.31 | RedMushroom | it's long, i'll do it on pastebin |
| 19:29.53 | sylar | can root have two different passwords? |
| 19:30.04 | nkuttler | sylar: no.. |
| 19:30.05 | adb | RedMushroom: what now you install by dpkg -i ? |
| 19:30.13 | RedMushroom | webmin |
| 19:30.24 | nkuttler | !webmin |
| 19:30.24 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 19:30.49 | RedMushroom | hmmm |
| 19:30.55 | RedMushroom | what would be a better choice then? |
| 19:30.56 | sylar | if I make a user with group root, will it be able to do whatever root can? |
| 19:30.58 | dustybin | is there a way to find out if there are blocks on your network |
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| 19:31.01 | dustybin | block list for non-associated (10. 172. 192.) ip ranges? |
| 19:31.10 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: your favorite shell and editor |
| 19:31.33 | RedMushroom | well, i'd like to have it all gui based, so if webmin's the only choice then i'll go for it |
| 19:31.37 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: just so you know, we won't be able to help you with any problems once you use webmin |
| 19:31.54 | Bigone | Hi all! I've just compiled my kernel, but couldn't install it, because of installation script does not create an initrd file. Is it possible somehow create it? |
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| 19:32.34 | themill | sylar: the utility you're probably looking for is "sudo". |
| 19:32.40 | RedMushroom | why's that? |
| 19:33.18 | dvs | Bigone: I've noticed that too with kernel-package |
| 19:33.24 | sylar | themill, I thought debian don't like sudo |
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| 19:33.58 | Eulex | sylar, it doesn't, but it's your own choice whether you want to use it |
| 19:33.59 | themill | sylar: just because it's not installed by default with an overly-permissive configuration doesn't mean that it's not a tool that has its place. |
| 19:33.59 | Bigone | dvs: have you solved the problem somehow? |
| 19:34.03 | nkuttler | Bigone: isn't that what mkinitramfs is for? i don't use initrd.. |
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| 19:34.07 | giupy | my boot is slow and makes some minutes at his point: intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 55442 usecs |
| 19:34.11 | giupy | how can i solve it |
| 19:34.26 | dvs | nkuttler: that's suppose to be automatic with the --initrd option of kernel-package |
| 19:34.32 | dvs | but it doesn't work |
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| 19:34.50 | nkuttler | ah. lots of updates to kp recently |
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| 19:35.06 | dvs | fix it!!!! ;-) |
| 19:35.18 | oOarthurOo | dpkg blacklist |
| 19:35.19 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist'. |
| 19:35.31 | oOarthurOo | dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 19:35.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 19:35.39 | giupy | is that for me ? |
| 19:35.40 | nkuttler | dvs: are you talking about stable or sid? |
| 19:35.40 | sylar | Well, now I have the option to share the root password with others, or ___ |
| 19:35.50 | dvs | nkuttler: squeeze |
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| 19:35.59 | nkuttler | dvs: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/NEWS.Debian.gz i guess |
| 19:36.02 | dvs | nkuttler: I think stable is ok. |
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| 19:36.35 | durka42 | from what $PWD does cron run its commands? |
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| 19:37.05 | themill | sylar: sudo is designed for being able to share root privileges or a subset of root privileges with other users. |
| 19:37.20 | amphi | dvs: make-kpkg has changes, if I recall correctly |
| 19:37.25 | amphi | *changed |
| 19:37.38 | dvs | well, they ain't working. ;-) |
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| 19:38.22 | nkuttler | dvs: i think it's all documented... with lots of typos though |
| 19:38.45 | sylar | themill, I am checking it out, it seems like what I want |
| 19:39.13 | enouf | dvs: try make-debpkg |
| 19:39.39 | dvs | enouf: What does that do? That compiles a kernel? |
| 19:39.52 | enouf | dvs: or .. read this for make-kpkg http://www.golden-gryphon.com/blog/manoj/blog/2009/04/07/Not_your_father__39__s_kernel-package/ |
| 19:39.59 | enouf | !kernel trunk |
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| 19:40.10 | enouf | !trunk kernel |
| 19:40.10 | dpkg | Visit http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel for information on installing the kernel team's latest experimental kernels. Also visit #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org for more information on these kernels. See http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage or ask me about <kernel package>. Remember these packages are previews and work in progress. Handle with care. |
| 19:40.11 | xxgodsmackxx321 | http://www.rewards1.com/index.php?referrer_id=281917 |
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| 19:40.49 | enouf | !kernel compile |
| 19:40.49 | dpkg | hmm... kernel compile is To (re)build the official kernels, see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage ; for personal kernel packages it is simpler to just use <make-kpkg> |
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| 19:41.29 | enouf | dvs: it's what the debian-kernel team uses (make-debpkg) the choice is yours |
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| 19:42.57 | dvs | enouf: so kernel-package is on its way out? |
| 19:43.33 | enouf | no |
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| 19:45.25 | Bigone | Does initrd image is created by make-kpkg script or when I try to install it usind dpkg -i mykernel.deb? |
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| 19:45.39 | sauLus_ | how does the mysql user is called? I have problems connecting my mysql database because I forbid localhost. How can I repair this using the debian-mysql-user? |
| 19:45.47 | RedMushroom | what's a good GUI based front end to use for apache2 in debian? |
| 19:46.04 | Lord | a gui for apache2 ?! o_O |
| 19:46.05 | dvs | Bigone: according to the link above, no |
| 19:46.08 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: gvim? |
| 19:46.08 | Lord | what for ? |
| 19:46.15 | zinx | i'm wondering what a gui for apache2 would do |
| 19:46.33 | dondelelcaro | sauLus_: it's just mysql. |
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| 19:46.42 | RedMushroom | just makes it so you don't have to use the command line for simple things. starts, stops, restarts, and module configuration |
| 19:46.45 | fbh | Probably what iis management does for MS IIS :p But no, the only thing I can think of would be like webmin but that sucks |
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| 19:46.58 | nkuttler | sauLus_: the mysql manual has a section on password recovery |
| 19:47.04 | sauLus_ | dondelelcaro: what do you mean? |
| 19:47.06 | dondelelcaro | RedMushroom: just use the command line; it's pretty trivial. |
| 19:47.09 | RedMushroom | nkuttler: that's not funny |
| 19:47.17 | nkuttler | RedMushroom: i'm not trying to be funny |
| 19:47.33 | RedMushroom | maybe for some people, but i dont WANT to use the command line. if i did, then i wouldn't be asking about an apache2 frontend gui |
| 19:47.39 | dondelelcaro | sauLus_: the name of the user that runs mysql is called mysql. If you're not able to use the root user for mysql, then /msg dpkg i forgot mysql's root password |
| 19:47.58 | sauLus_ | I know my password, I just removed access from some hosts. I know for sure, that the debian-default-mysql-user is allowd to connect, though |
| 19:47.59 | dondelelcaro | RedMushroom: if you're going to administrate a unix machine, you're going to need to use the command line |
| 19:48.10 | dondelelcaro | sauLus_: yes, but it's not able to alter the grant lines |
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| 19:48.17 | Lord | RedMushroom > you can create buttons in you gnome/kde config to start/stop apache |
| 19:48.23 | dondelelcaro | sauLus_: that user is severely restricted in the set of commands that it can run. |
| 19:49.02 | jcm | hi, installing lenny on psql-E mainboard, I get a single line message from installation cd : PCI: not using MMCONFIG. Is it a BIOS setting ? I see no PCI option. |
| 19:49.03 | sauLus_ | ok, I cant use this one to repair, but this user may let me find the hosts, that are allowed to connect to, right? |
| 19:49.17 | dondelelcaro | sauLus_: nope; it shouldn't be able to access the mysql table. |
| 19:49.42 | sauLus_ | So what shall I do? I know the password, so password recovery wont help |
| 19:49.47 | enouf | Bigone: the initrd is generated upon installation of the deb - not sure which script does it - perhaps mkinitramfs-kpkg .. |
| 19:49.48 | dondelelcaro | sauLus_: if you've restricted the hosts that the root user can connect to erroneously, /msg dpkg i forgot mysql's root password; and start from there |
| 19:50.15 | dondelelcaro | sauLus_: and yes, the password recovery bits *will* help, because they involve skipping the grant table |
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| 19:50.22 | sauLus_ | ok, thank you! |
| 19:50.32 | simonrvn | doesn't say anything about "gui for apache2" ... |
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| 19:51.56 | bolt | simonrvn: i have this marvelous idea! how about a gui for apache2? |
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| 19:52.16 | simonrvn | -_- |
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| 19:52.49 | simonrvn | should probably have this as a qotd or something |
| 19:53.00 | bolt | it would make our lives so much simpler! now all we need is someone to set up X on all the machines and buy 20-something mice! |
| 19:53.43 | dreamer | hi all, there are 2 packages in lenny that are very old (mpd and ncmpc) and I want to use the newer versions from sid and maybe even unstable. how do I do this properly or is it a terrible idea to begin with and should I compile from source? |
| 19:54.10 | bolt | !tell dreamer about backports |
| 19:54.19 | dondelelcaro | dreamer: do a backport of them from sid |
| 19:54.22 | jpinx-eeepc | !ops Cem pm'ing porn links |
| 19:54.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jpinx-eeepc complains about: Cem pm'ing porn links |
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| 19:54.56 | bolt | heh. that's quick |
| 19:55.05 | simonrvn | pop |
| 19:55.17 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
| 19:55.33 | simonrvn | a2 r0x my s0x |
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| 19:55.49 | bolt | i wonder what the response rate for porn links in linux channels actually is. i can't possibly see why spamming here would even be worth the bandwidth |
| 19:55.51 | anddam | hello |
| 19:56.16 | simonrvn | bolt: probably why it doesn't happen much anymore. |
| 19:56.18 | nkuttler | bolt: i don't think that spammers care about targeting |
| 19:56.27 | anddam | bolt: I can foresee an high response on geeky chan :-) |
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| 19:56.45 | bolt | anddam: geeks normally know better |
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| 19:56.55 | Jesper` | hello. my webserver got hacked and i want to find out which files exactly were edited. what is the command to search inside each file of a certain directory and output which file contains a certain text string? |
| 19:57.07 | nkuttler | Jesper`: grep |
| 19:57.30 | simonrvn | restore from backups and reinstall, making sure your backups are ok. |
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| 19:58.07 | anddam | I'd need an advice about what wireless chipset I should buy between Atheros AR5414 and AR2413, I checked on http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k and there's no mention of 5414 while 2413 is listed on ath5k driver page |
| 19:58.14 | nadie__ | hola |
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| 19:58.46 | anddam | I'm going to use the card with lenny and was wondering if one chipset is better suited than the other |
| 19:58.48 | bolt | nadie__: god kveld :) |
| 19:59.02 | simonrvn | nadie__: kwe kwe |
| 19:59.08 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 19:59.12 | nadie__ | :) |
| 19:59.20 | nadie__ | nop entiendo |
| 19:59.23 | nadie__ | :) |
| 19:59.54 | adb | nadie__: from romania ? |
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| 20:00.13 | nadie__ | si |
| 20:00.16 | nadie__ | :) |
| 20:00.24 | nadie__ | molesto |
| 20:00.32 | Jesper` | nkuttler; oh..... but let's say i want to search the directory /home/webadmin/website.com/html/ for the text "?click" what grep command should i write? sry but i am a total linux noob.... |
| 20:00.38 | jcm | should I disable AHCI to install lenny adm64 on intel quadcore ? I get an error in install and I don't know what it could be related to (not using MMCONFIG) |
| 20:01.08 | dreamer | hmm, dpkg: error processing mpd (--configure): .. apparently it's hangen on the mpd.conf I already made with the old version |
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| 20:01.13 | dreamer | hanging* |
| 20:01.16 | nadie__ | abd tu?? |
| 20:01.32 | bolt | flicks the "English" swith on nadie__ |
| 20:01.37 | adb | si eu |
| 20:01.39 | Stanlin | jcm: how many hard drivers do you have? |
| 20:01.51 | adb | !ro |
| 20:01.55 | nadie__ | :P |
| 20:02.01 | nadie__ | ce de ro mini |
| 20:02.08 | nadie__ | arges |
| 20:02.13 | nadie__ | pitesti |
| 20:02.16 | nadie__ | tu? |
| 20:02.18 | adb | si eu |
| 20:02.21 | nadie__ | :) |
| 20:02.26 | nadie__ | ce mik e lumesa |
| 20:02.27 | dondelelcaro | Jesper`: find /home/webadmin/website.com/html -exec grep -q '?click' '{}' ';' ; |
| 20:02.31 | nadie__ | lumea astsa |
| 20:02.32 | jcm | Stanlin: 4 sata (six sata on the mainboard) |
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| 20:02.41 | azeem_ | adb: this is an english-language channel |
| 20:02.58 | Stanlin | jcm: if you have raid... and ahci doesnt , try etch and half... otherwise you are screwed |
| 20:03.06 | dreamer | hmm, I can't install/remove mpd: http://pastebin.ca/1403697 |
| 20:03.14 | dondelelcaro | s/; / -print &/ |
| 20:03.45 | nkuttler | Jesper`: or rgrep '?click' /path/to/files |
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| 20:03.49 | jpinx-eeepc | !ro |
| 20:04.15 | nadie__ | da ro |
| 20:04.18 | jpinx-eeepc | :-/ |
| 20:04.23 | nadie__ | :) |
| 20:04.23 | dreamer | hmm, how do I reinstall mpd now? |
| 20:04.29 | jpinx-eeepc | !it |
| 20:04.29 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:04.30 | nadie__ | ai draq romania |
| 20:04.39 | nadie__ | :) |
| 20:04.43 | nadie__ | peste tot |
| 20:04.46 | jcm | Stanlin: the lenny installer worked well once; then I tried again, after some more reading, to install RAID5, and changed BIOS setting to add AHCI. I suppose I made an error in BIOS. |
| 20:04.55 | azeem | nadie__: this is an english-only channel |
| 20:04.58 | dondelelcaro | dreamer: with --force-confmiss |
| 20:04.58 | jpinx-eeepc | nadie__: that might be easier for you |
| 20:05.06 | dreamer | dondelelcaro: thnx |
| 20:05.08 | nadie__ | k |
| 20:05.16 | Stanlin | jcm: AHCI demands specific drivers... if you dont need a Raid , disable it |
| 20:05.23 | dondelelcaro | dreamer: for some reason, you've deleted /etc/mpd.conf, which is needed for mpd to start |
| 20:05.31 | maligor | huh? AHCI requires a generic driver |
| 20:05.34 | jpinx-eeepc | nadie__: sorry we don't seem to have a .ro language channel |
| 20:05.35 | anddam | is there a specific chan for linux wireless support? |
| 20:05.40 | jcm | Stanlin: I will install soft RAID. Is it useful ? |
| 20:05.50 | dreamer | dondelelcaro: well, actually I deleted it because it gave errors with my modified one, I assumed it would place a default config instead, but it didn't |
| 20:06.00 | nadie__ | ok |
| 20:06.04 | dreamer | dondelelcaro: I'm not sure how to use --force-confmiss now though |
| 20:06.16 | Stanlin | jcm: if LVM , yeah thats fine |
| 20:06.24 | simonrvn | ravenbird: ro |
| 20:06.27 | ravenbird | simonrvn: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 20:07.57 | jpinx-eeepc | tell simonrvn about msg |
| 20:08.02 | dreamer | dondelelcaro: I can't find any dacumentation on that flag |
| 20:08.03 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell simonrvn about msg |
| 20:08.05 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
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| 20:08.19 | simonrvn | !lart jpinx-eeepc |
| 20:08.19 | dpkg | beats jpinx-eeepc over the head with a microkernel |
| 20:08.21 | jpinx-eeepc | shoots a hole in the other foot |
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| 20:11.17 | dreamer | dondelelcaro: what is --force-confmiss a flag of? I can't find it for apt-get or dpkg, so I really don't know what you where telling me to do |
| 20:11.37 | nkuttler | dreamer: dpkg, --force-help and man |
| 20:12.08 | nkuttler | dreamer: and /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 20:12.39 | dreamer | alright, thxn, I couldn't find anything about confmiss in the dpkg or apt mans |
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| 20:13.00 | lillis | hmm, some basic shell scripting here... |
| 20:13.14 | lillis | find /home/lillis/music/ | grep .jpg > listfile |
| 20:13.20 | lillis | for name in listfile; do rm $name; done |
| 20:13.24 | nkuttler | Jesper`: yes, please ask in the channel |
| 20:13.25 | lillis | what am I doing wrong? |
| 20:13.35 | lillis | the listfile exists and has all the .jpg files listed in it |
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| 20:14.05 | nkuttler | lillis: try name in `cat listfile` |
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| 20:14.08 | Tramp | lillis: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/001 -- How can I read a file (data stream, variable) line-by-line? |
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| 20:14.21 | icarus_squared | how the hell do i scroll through my tasks in top, pressing up or down doesn't do anything |
| 20:14.30 | lillis | Tramp, nkuttler: thanks and thanks |
| 20:14.40 | Tramp | lillis: and note that what you do (and what nkuttler suggested) would break on filenames with spaces in them |
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| 20:14.51 | nkuttler | right |
| 20:14.55 | orveldv | hmm, I have 2 soundcards and I need the modules for them to be loaded in a particular order at boot time (so that one of them is always "the first") |
| 20:14.56 | orveldv | I remember a trick using /etc/modprobe.d, does someone have an idea? |
| 20:15.06 | Jesper` | nkuttler; so could you tell me which command can find *and* delete text strings in directories? for example i want to find and delete all mentions of "?click" in files in /home/webadmin/website.com/ |
| 20:15.17 | nkuttler | Jesper`: sed can do that |
| 20:15.17 | simonrvn | icarus_squared: it won't. htop can do that. |
| 20:15.23 | dreamer | nkuttler: hmm, this is not working, I can't get mpd reinstalled or removed |
| 20:15.26 | Tramp | lillis: the right way for your problem would be "find /some/dir -name \*.jpg -delete" |
| 20:16.33 | Jesper` | nkuttler; and the command for it would be...? hehe, i do not know anything about linux sorry >< |
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| 20:17.12 | nkuttler | Jesper`: something like sed -e 's/foo/bar/' plus in-place editing flag... man sed |
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| 20:18.16 | `Abo | hi, I have a problem with one debian machine |
| 20:18.25 | `Abo | since I restarted it yesterday after one month |
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| 20:18.55 | `Abo | load averages keep sitting up and the machine is slow |
| 20:18.56 | `Abo | 23:14:58 up 1 day, 10 min, 1 user, load average: 15.04, 14.80, 14.42 |
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| 20:19.16 | `Abo | on top, the processes are like they were before restarting but load averages are very high and the machine is slower |
| 20:19.21 | `Abo | can I check for something else? |
| 20:19.22 | zinx | `Abo: how many processes are in the 'D' state, and do you have networked filesystems? |
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| 20:20.10 | `Abo | there are only processes in state S and R |
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| 20:22.40 | `Abo | cant find anything else |
| 20:22.49 | `Abo | can I see cpu temperature in debian? |
| 20:22.55 | `Abo | or something I dont know what could cause this |
| 20:23.55 | Eulex | !sensors |
| 20:23.55 | dpkg | [lm_sensors] a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. Packaged for Debian as 'lm-sensors'. #linux-sensors @ irc.freenode.net |
| 20:24.33 | Eulex | also, acpi -V displays some info |
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| 20:27.18 | `Abo | how do I use lm-sensors |
| 20:27.30 | `Abo | acpi -V doesnt seem to work, no such command |
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| 20:29.05 | dreamer | hmm, I really can't get mpd re-installed properly anything I tried with --force-confmiss doesn't work |
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| 20:29.57 | dreamer | dpkg keeps giving errors |
| 20:29.57 | dpkg | dreamer: i haven't a clue |
| 20:30.17 | dreamer | -_- |
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| 20:32.00 | v4nelle | guyhi...guys..why i can't use together my laptop monitor and tv-out?i have fglrx driver |
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| 20:34.25 | MarkJones | Hello I just built a new PC based on an ASUS M3N78 Pro mobo. Im not sure if my sound card is supported or not.The volume control has a red x over it so I guess that means its not but how can i make sure? |
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| 20:35.19 | ultra | hi, could someone please tell me, when using putty, are colours controlled by the server settings or can putty settings emulate colors |
| 20:35.27 | ultra | its a debian server. |
| 20:35.34 | `Abo | I currently have installed 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem on a i686 core 2 duo e8400 |
| 20:35.42 | `Abo | what kernel do you recommend me to install ? |
| 20:35.58 | `Abo | I use bigmem cause it has more than 4gb ram |
| 20:35.59 | dreamer | ultra: colors are controlled in .bashrc on the server |
| 20:36.14 | ultra | oh, thank you so much! |
| 20:36.31 | ultra | i can just copy the one from my home server that has colors to my webserver |
| 20:36.33 | ultra | thanks |
| 20:36.38 | dreamer | yup |
| 20:37.13 | dreamer | then you have the same commandline-settings as at your home server |
| 20:37.19 | Eulex | `Abo, you could try -amd64 if you're not using binary-only drivers, otherwise you're on the right kernel |
| 20:37.45 | MarkJones | My audio device is a Realtek ALC1200 |
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| 20:38.35 | ultra | awesome, so nice to get such quick and helpful answers to these easy linux questions |
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| 20:40.01 | wOPr | night at all |
| 20:40.06 | dreamer | too bad my screw-ups don't seem to have solutions -_- |
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| 20:42.00 | Mr-R | dreamer: try aptitude purge mpd; aptitude install mpd if you have not before. |
| 20:42.12 | Mr-R | dreamer: purge deletes all configuration files... |
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| 20:42.28 | dreamer | Mr-R: same error by dpkg |
| 20:42.30 | dreamer | on purge |
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| 20:42.56 | Mr-R | dreamer: hmm "touch /etc/mpd.conf"? :) |
| 20:43.00 | dreamer | or actually .. it's with sed: sed: can't read /etc/mpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 20:44.07 | dreamer | I'm going to put a mpd.conf from another system on it |
| 20:44.11 | MarkJones | Is it possible to install a backported kernel to get my sound working? If such a thing exists. |
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| 20:44.38 | ultra | dream i have the file, i want to scp to my debian webhost is the syntax scp /home/mike/.bashrc ? |
| 20:44.44 | ultra | er the ? is where im unsur |
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| 20:45.23 | ultra | dream i have the file, i want to scp to my debian webhost is the syntax scp /home/mike/.bashrc user:pw@hostname.com/new_bashrc |
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| 20:45.58 | dreamer | Mr-R: hmm, didn't work either |
| 20:47.02 | dob1_ | i am trying with diff but i don't find how to do this, i have 2 files, i want just to get the lines that are in one file and not in the other file, how can i do this? |
| 20:47.03 | Mr-R | dreamer: sorry, i dont run mpd. it was just an idea to satisfy the remove-script |
| 20:47.27 | sepult | what's the way to get rid of double and triple info files ? |
| 20:47.46 | sepult | or updating the info files properly |
| 20:48.02 | sepult | isn |
| 20:48.10 | jcm | is there a good howto for installing md raid5 + lvm2 on lenny ? I'm not sure if I must have a big partition with md RAID then LVM partitions inside, or the opposite :/ |
| 20:48.14 | sepult | 't there something like mandb for it ? |
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| 20:49.48 | j0nr | evening. Can someone please explain which CDs I need to download in order to get a working system... there seems to be 31 of them! |
| 20:49.56 | RedMushroom | does pureadmin work with debian? |
| 20:50.25 | anddam | j0nr: only the first cd of the set should be fine for a working system, but it probably depends on your idea of working |
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| 20:51.00 | RedMushroom | agreed, it depends heavily on your idea of working |
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| 20:51.01 | amphi | j0nr: or just use the netinstall iso |
| 20:51.20 | abrotman | RedMushroom: what did you want? |
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| 20:51.59 | RedMushroom | i just installed pureadmin, and when i click it in the menu, it asks for my system pw, and then nothing happens |
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| 20:52.52 | j0nr | i am a basic user..., just want to get gnome desktop, get on the internet, be able to apt-get various packages such as irssi, hugin, thunderbird, openshh-server etc |
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| 20:53.07 | j0nr | i am coming from ubuntu, where the basic install just gives you access to all repos |
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| 20:54.23 | j0nr | i tried the first disk, but got a bit confused when i couldn't apt-get anything... i think i needed to add all the repos to the sources.lis |
| 20:54.26 | j0nr | t |
| 20:54.35 | j0nr | why doesn't that initial install give you all the repos? |
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| 20:55.23 | azeem | j0nr: I thought the basic Ubuntu install does not activate universe |
| 20:55.42 | azeem | j0nr: usually, the repos are added when you have setup networking |
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| 20:56.29 | rdz | does it make sesne to compare a cd-rom with an iso-file like this: diff /dev/scd0 blabla.iso ? |
| 20:56.55 | Xenon3DN | rdz: Diff isn't so good for binary -- what are you trying to determine? |
| 20:57.04 | j0nr | azeem: not sure about universe, but all the std offical repos are active straight away so you can apt-get away |
| 20:57.06 | enouf | rdz: md5dum each |
| 20:57.16 | enouf | rdz: er md5sum each |
| 20:57.17 | rdz | enouf, thanks. yeah that makes more sense |
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| 20:57.32 | anddam | bye |
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| 20:57.40 | rdz | Xenon3DN, i only want to know, if they are the same.. don't need to get info about their differences |
| 20:57.44 | enouf | rdz: though sometimes, the burned CD will be padded with extra 0s so ... |
| 20:57.52 | rdz | aha |
| 20:57.53 | azeem | j0nr: except most packages are in universe... |
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| 20:59.20 | j0nr | azeem: yes just checked, universe is enabled as std |
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| 20:59.27 | j0nr | plus others |
| 21:00.02 | j0nr | will try netinst, cheers |
| 21:00.36 | Xenon3DN | Where does update-grub find the UUID of the rootfs when it rewrites the menu.lst? My UUID has changed (migrating to a virtual server) and I need to rewrite the GRUB stuff to make it boot properly. If I edit menu.lst and update-grub, update-grub puts it back. |
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| 21:01.11 | RedMushroom | someone please tell me why trying to d/l a .tar.gz file results in an error telling me it's an unsupported compression? |
| 21:01.15 | enouf | Xenon3DN: what does blkid say |
| 21:01.32 | enouf | and check the symlinks in /dev/disk/* |
| 21:02.04 | enouf | RedMushroom: run "file filename.tar.gz" on it |
| 21:02.46 | Xenon3DN | enouf: blkid seems to show the proper new UUID |
| 21:03.04 | RedMushroom | enouf: cant because i can't d/l it. every time i do it fails and the browser says it's an unsupported type of compression, or something like that |
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| 21:07.14 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 21:07.43 | jcm | is it true that RAID6 support is not stable in lenny and that it's better to use RAID5 with one spare disk instead of RAID6 with 4 drives ? |
| 21:07.54 | dreamer | hmm, when I run ncmpc I get 'error [11]: problems creating socket' what does this mean? |
| 21:08.42 | confrey | I've pathced 2.6.29 source with patch-2.6.29.1, must I rename dir linux-2.6.29 to linux-2.6.29-1? |
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| 21:09.15 | sepult | jcm: i heard raid 5 is not that stable too |
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| 21:09.49 | Xenon3DN | What changed in RAID to destabilize it? |
| 21:09.51 | jcm | sepult: are you sure ? speaking of md raid. |
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| 21:10.03 | sepult | jcm: yes |
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| 21:11.40 | Braunne | a quick question guys: is gnome 2.26 considerably slower than gnome 2.22? |
| 21:11.59 | azeem | it shouldn't be |
| 21:13.26 | Braunne | the reason Im asking is because debian lenny is quite faster than ubuntu 8.10 and some people attribute that to gnome versions |
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| 21:14.08 | nvti | Braunne: i'd say it's faster because ubuntu has more installed packages than debian does off of an install |
| 21:14.50 | enouf | Xenon3DN: mdadm uuids are not Filesystem/partition uuids |
| 21:15.01 | Braunne | hmmm, I use debian, and i believe that its more optimised. That has nothing to do with the number of packages, i dont think |
| 21:15.02 | lillis | Is there a way to lock a directory with a password? |
| 21:15.34 | enouf | RedMushroom: so d/l it using anything other than your crappy bloated and broken browser |
| 21:15.42 | enouf | wget comes to mind |
| 21:15.46 | enouf | curl too |
| 21:15.47 | sepult | lillis: yes but that requires you to use user_xattr or so or acl |
| 21:15.53 | sepult | lillis: afaik |
| 21:16.01 | Xenon3DN | enouf: I see my mistake. [more] |
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| 21:16.09 | lillis | I feel that encryption is a bit overkill in my case, I just want to lock folders so that even if my computer is up and running somebody cant go and rm -r Importantfolder/ without providing a pass for that folder |
| 21:16.20 | Xenon3DN | I was editing them in the wrong place, and not in the template part at the top of the menu.lst |
| 21:16.30 | enouf | aha |
| 21:16.34 | Xenon3DN | PEBKAC. ;) |
| 21:16.52 | enouf | heh .. a humble admin is an admin i like ;-) |
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| 21:17.42 | enouf | Xenon3DN: the #kopt=root= and #groot= lines ;-) |
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| 21:18.04 | Xenon3DN | I know what I don't know. ;) |
| 21:18.42 | riot | is there a good tool to (re)sort mails in a Maildir tree? I need e.g. something to filter out all mails with a specific headerline to move them to another folder. |
| 21:19.05 | sepult | riot: filters |
| 21:19.11 | sepult | riot: for example in kmail |
| 21:19.12 | Braunne | how does epiphany compare to firefox in terms of performance guys? |
| 21:19.34 | sepult | riot: you can configure those filters to your needs |
| 21:20.15 | riot | hmm, kmail just failed at even displaying my mail. Woooo. |
| 21:20.16 | sepult | riot: a spamassasin filter would do too |
| 21:20.33 | sepult | oh |
| 21:20.41 | sepult | riot: what version ? |
| 21:20.50 | riot | i could even just grep them, i know. I want something comfy, because i'll have to sort _shitloads_ of email. |
| 21:20.57 | riot | sepult: 1.9.9 |
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| 21:21.32 | riot | Displays a Local Folders with an "outbox" "sent-email" "trash" et al.. i suppose it even created those inside my existing Maildir (which i HATE - many "stupid" mailers do that) |
| 21:21.56 | riot | nah, it left its fingers off that |
| 21:22.36 | riot | goddess, is mutt the only mail-app thats able to work with maildirs in a correct fashion!? |
| 21:23.02 | sepult | riot: i think it requires kdewallet or so |
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| 21:23.24 | riot | wut?! i don't need any account-management |
| 21:23.47 | sepult | riot: you won't need one, just the basis |
| 21:24.08 | riot | scrap kde. most of it sucks in a non-standard environment.. sad. Any other ideas? |
| 21:24.43 | sepult | riot: you can use spamassassin or a bayesian-filter out there manually |
| 21:24.52 | enouf | yeah, ditch all bloated DEs and write a nice shell script - or use perl or something |
| 21:25.24 | riot | enouf: i suppose, thats where i'll end *sigh* |
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| 21:25.48 | enouf | hrm .. create a gmail account - upload it all there - sort it there :-) |
| 21:25.57 | riot | probably a simple grep will be the most efficient i can do.. hmhmmm gotta figure out how to make sure i get all i want |
| 21:26.13 | riot | enouf: hehehe. i'm just too paranoid for that ;D |
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| 21:26.47 | enouf | so long as you don't own a Freedom Chair you'll be fine ;-) |
| 21:27.10 | sladi | Hi! I instlled systemsettings for KDE4 but why is the color section missing? How can I change the theme used? |
| 21:27.14 | enouf | blinks at amphi |
| 21:27.16 | riot | i'll try with grep now. Got a backup :) |
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| 21:27.21 | amphi | twitches |
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| 21:27.23 | mirak | is it possible to install a package in a postinst script ? I know that's odd, but I would like that when a module assistant source package is installed, then the build of the module package starts immediately. without a manual intervention. what is my best chance to have something with as few manual intervention as possible ? |
| 21:27.57 | sylar | what do I do to mount /dev/drbd0 whenever it is in primary mode? |
| 21:28.01 | enouf | sladi: try some kde related channel - debian-kde perhaps |
| 21:28.02 | amphi | enouf: there's only one (or two, if you count Michael Ledeen's shoddy facsimile) |
| 21:28.14 | mirak | dkms is doing that but it's not usefull for what I want |
| 21:28.14 | sladi | enouf: Thanks. :) |
| 21:28.14 | simNIX | without packaging myself I would say; make it so the dependency is stated and installed by apt ? |
| 21:28.27 | enouf | amphi: heh |
| 21:29.05 | sylar | from what I understand heartbeat is meant for a service to be either on this or that server, but not on both |
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| 21:33.06 | Xenon3DN | After moving a copy of my FS to a new drive on my virtual server and booting using the SuperGRUBDisk CD, I did update-grub and tried to reboot. I'm getting the old GRUB Loading stage1.5. GRUB loading, please wait... Error 2. Anyone have any suggestions on how to fix GRUB so it boots unassisted? |
| 21:33.59 | rafuch0 | qiuck questiom... |
| 21:34.27 | jelly-home | !grub error 2 |
| 21:34.28 | dpkg | For grub error 2, see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml |
| 21:35.34 | tecneeq | gents, what's the best way to get a random string, using only basic tools and /bin/sh? |
| 21:35.37 | tecneeq | head -c 10 < /dev/urandom | uuencode -m - | head -n 2 | tail -n 1 | sed 's/==//' |
| 21:35.50 | tecneeq | this has uudecode, wich is not avalable on every system |
| 21:35.59 | tecneeq | uuencode ;) |
| 21:36.00 | valdyn | Xenon3DN: you need to run grub-install too |
| 21:36.14 | jelly-home | tecneeq: what are you going to use the string for? |
| 21:36.32 | Xenon3DN | valdyn: Thanks, will try that. |
| 21:37.08 | tecneeq | jelly-home: will the later use of a random string be needed to solve the problem of getting a random string? ;) |
| 21:37.29 | tecneeq | jelly-home: it's a random string used as a user agent for wget |
| 21:37.56 | jelly-home | tecneeq: if we knew what you were really trying to do, a better alternative might present itself. |
| 21:38.22 | valdyn | tecneeq: cat /dev/urandom | strings |
| 21:38.38 | jelly-home | depends on binutils :-) |
| 21:38.58 | tecneeq | is strings in netbsd and macosx? |
| 21:39.15 | tecneeq | i'll look on netbsd ... |
| 21:39.23 | jelly-home | tecneeq: can you not just leave it empty? |
| 21:39.57 | tecneeq | that wouldn't be very random, would it? it would be predictably empty :) |
| 21:39.59 | jelly-home | clearly you're striving for the hader to be useless |
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| 21:40.04 | jelly-home | header* |
| 21:40.10 | smacnay | sigh - evolution is broken in sid (probably temporarily). |
| 21:40.18 | jelly-home | tecneeq: it's nicer to the sites. |
| 21:40.43 | valdyn | why the hell would i want a random user agent string? |
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| 21:41.09 | jelly-home | valdyn: to fill a site stats with crap! |
| 21:41.25 | valdyn | jelly-home: or to clearly identify myself as the only one who uses garbage uid |
| 21:41.34 | valdyn | or one in a few 10k |
| 21:41.36 | tecneeq | jelly-home: the problem i face is that i want to mirror as much mac68k web pages as possible, however, some server try to scare me away with robots.txt, some even ban my useragent |
| 21:42.05 | jelly-home | tecneeq: dude, your U-A might be banned for a reason. |
| 21:42.08 | valdyn | tecneeq: so you are asking us to help you with abusing websites |
| 21:42.24 | mavhc | just set it to be netscape |
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| 21:42.49 | tecneeq | no, i ask you with a problem of a random string. if i sell you a bullet i didn't help you commit murder |
| 21:42.57 | valdyn | tecneeq: bullshit |
| 21:43.19 | jelly-home | tecneeq: you _just explained_ you wanted to evade robots.txt! |
| 21:43.37 | bolt | an exception to that being you coming into the store, talking about murder and how you are so going to kill that guy, and *then* i sell you a bullet |
| 21:43.40 | tecneeq | valdyn: is it? so i would help you commit murder by selling you a bullet? or even the sneakers used to go to the person you want to shoot? |
| 21:43.50 | valdyn | tecneeq: yea, its like that |
| 21:43.59 | valdyn | tecneeq: which is why bullets are not for free sale in most countries |
| 21:44.28 | tecneeq | jelly-home: no, robots.txt is evaded with a wget option, i need to evade banning of a certain useragent because those websites will be gone soon |
| 21:44.31 | jpinx-eeepc | wonders what country valdyn is in |
| 21:44.39 | tecneeq | valdyn: sneakers are |
| 21:45.07 | valdyn | tecneeq: comparing sneakers with bullets is silly |
| 21:45.09 | riot | ok, mutt does do what i want. Using ~h in patterns, it includes the headers of mails, too :) |
| 21:45.16 | riot | mutt just sucks less :) |
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| 21:45.27 | bolt | ponders constructing an air-powered sneaker-gun |
| 21:45.39 | tecneeq | bolt: :) |
| 21:45.42 | azeem | riot: I thought ~h only searches headers |
| 21:45.54 | bolt | nike air. for real. |
| 21:45.57 | tecneeq | valdyn: comparing my random string with murder is also silly |
| 21:46.05 | valdyn | tecneeq: you did that |
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| 21:47.20 | tecneeq | yes, to show you that it is silly. if i want to ignore robots.txt or a banning of wget it is my own thing. you can solve the problem or not, but don't tell me what i can do and what not |
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| 21:47.52 | valdyn | tecneeq: no one told you waht to do, but its against this channel policy to assist with abuse |
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| 21:48.58 | foetus | the 3th day with io-errors on my toshiba-multi, a have banned this horrible brand out of my equipment..no more |
| 21:49.41 | tecneeq | valdyn: yes, i guess the world would fall apart if i mirrored a website for mac68k that will soon be gone ;) |
| 21:50.17 | jelly-home | tecneeq: since it's a one-time job, how portable does it really have to be? |
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| 21:50.32 | jelly-home | pwgen gives out nice strings |
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| 21:53.15 | randomnick | how can i have colors in ircii |
| 21:53.23 | randomnick | or is there another channel for ircii help? |
| 21:53.40 | foetus | is it possible, to fetch some older lenny kernels? the source-debs would be interesting. |
| 21:54.18 | jelly-home | !tell foetus about sdn |
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| 21:56.33 | foetus | jelly-home: hm, is there a public ftp-site, from which i could download these older kernels? |
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| 21:57.24 | jelly-home | foetus: did you get a private message from dpkg? |
| 21:57.46 | jelly-home | foetus: snapshot.debian.net |
| 21:58.42 | foetus | jelly-home: no, blocked..thanks, i will take a look.. |
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| 22:04.32 | n-iCe | Is there anyway to install the google desktop gadgets to the Debian desktop??? |
| 22:05.18 | foetus | jelly-home: you are fantastic, man! thanks :) |
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| 22:09.09 | sepult | should i be alarmed by some hash sums not being the same of some packages which i have on the cd and of those comapred to the net ones ? |
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| 22:11.56 | ald | is there a way to preserve all windows afte an X restart? |
| 22:12.05 | jelly-home | sepult: exact same versions? |
| 22:12.13 | sepult | jelly-home: yes |
| 22:12.22 | sepult | jelly-home: that's really weird |
| 22:12.31 | sepult | jelly-home: why should they differ ?? |
| 22:12.37 | jelly-home | sepult: alarmed, no. Cautious, sure. |
| 22:12.51 | jelly-home | sepult: bad burned cd? |
| 22:12.52 | sepult | jelly-home: it's an official lenny 5.0 cd |
| 22:13.11 | sepult | jelly-home: wait a bit, maybe i have the false side on |
| 22:13.25 | sepult | one side is for 64bit |
| 22:13.36 | Xenon3DN | Is this statement still correct (from http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Reinstalling_GRUB ) |
| 22:13.37 | Xenon3DN | > use "tune2fs -l /dev/sda1" to check for the Inode size of your root/boot partition. Anything else than 128 will make grub unable to read the partition. |
| 22:14.04 | jelly-home | wasn't aware CDs could be double sided |
| 22:14.31 | sepult | err i meant dvd sorry |
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| 22:31.47 | jelly-home | Xenon3DN: for grub-legacy in lenny, it was last time I checked |
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| 22:32.02 | jelly-home | Xenon3DN: grub2 works, tho |
| 22:32.05 | cptblood | what's the php gd2 library package name? |
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| 22:33.34 | jelly-home | cptblood: search for it: apt-cache search php gd |
| 22:33.40 | amphi | !tell cptblood -about search |
| 22:34.03 | baggend | Nautilus just stopped showing my CIFS mounts (from fstab) in the Places sidebar. Anyone else seen this and know how to fix it? |
| 22:34.27 | baggend | (they used to show up there so I could just click them and connect, but now they're gone) |
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| 22:45.28 | MichelFX | How I can to solve this error? |
| 22:45.41 | MichelFX | Copying /home/cristiano/FB/FIREWALL.fw -> 192.168.1.1:/etc |
| 22:45.41 | MichelFX | ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.1 port 22: No route to host |
| 22:45.41 | MichelFX | SSH session terminated, exit status: -1 |
| 22:45.41 | MichelFX | Error: Terminating install sequence |
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| 22:45.47 | MichelFX | I got this when i was trying to install my firewall |
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| 22:49.24 | baggend | MichelFX: It means that your computer can't reach 192.168.1.1. Sounds like your firewall is blocking more stuff than you'd like. |
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| 22:49.43 | manpoole | I was wondering if anyone could recommend a lightweight browser alternative to epiphany ? |
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| 22:50.39 | cafuego | links |
| 22:51.01 | cafuego | runs on everything, does not require X. |
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| 22:54.02 | doleyb | manpoole: dillo is very light |
| 22:55.03 | manpoole | im going to give it a try |
| 22:55.30 | manpoole | trying to speed up my old computer im using debian lenny and lxde |
| 22:55.46 | manpoole | any other tips on finding speed? |
| 22:56.23 | MichelFX | baggend: Do you know how I can solve this with iptables? |
| 22:56.42 | MichelFX | to open the port 22? |
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| 22:58.10 | cafuego | manpoole: Add ram. |
| 22:58.18 | Takar | tengo una duda sobre python |
| 22:58.21 | Takar | python |
| 22:58.36 | Takar | ¿tiene un compilador? |
| 22:58.44 | cafuego | !es |
| 22:58.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:58.47 | Takar | ¿o solamente un intérprete? |
| 22:59.17 | Takar | porque estuve jugando a programar con python, nada muy avanzado |
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| 22:59.32 | cafuego | or you know, maybe #python. |
| 22:59.48 | Takar | y no se me ocurre como convertir el código en un ejecutable |
| 23:00.22 | cafuego | Takar: Ik denk niet dat iemand er iets van begrijpt. Je moet even lezen en dan ergens anders vragen. |
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| 23:00.46 | lolufail | hi there! |
| 23:00.54 | cafuego | gutenwurst |
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| 23:01.00 | lolufail | is this recommended procedure?: http://lucasforge.2bopen.org/2009/03/lighttpd-mod_cache-on-debian-lenny/ |
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| 23:01.32 | lolufail | and: squid vs. lighttpd-modcache for a 50%php,50% static site? |
| 23:02.23 | cafuego | lolufail: Should be fine, BUT if I were you I'd change the version number in debian/changelog before building - that way you know it's a local pkg. |
| 23:03.16 | sepult | *clark* *clarkkk* |
| 23:03.26 | cafuego | lolufail: I've heard of ppl using a combo of mod_rewrite and nginx as well. |
| 23:03.30 | lolufail | cafuego: I never built anything from source under debian, so right before dpkg-buildpackage... I can edit ./debian/changelog? |
| 23:03.35 | sepult | anyone's at home ? |
| 23:03.37 | cafuego | lolufail: Yep |
| 23:04.39 | cafuego | lolufail: it'll have "packagename (version) distro" \n\n* Patch info\n\n -- User Info and Date |
| 23:04.41 | lolufail | cafuego: so, the simplest approach against ddos for my configuration would beeee.... still modcache? or do you ahve and particular reason for the nginx combo? |
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| 23:04.56 | n3kl | Hi |
| 23:05.03 | cafuego | lolufail: I have no preferred opinion towards any solution. |
| 23:05.06 | baggend | lolufail: What are you trying to achieve? Run a PHP site with adequate caching for the static content? |
| 23:05.08 | lolufail | cafuego: :D |
| 23:05.48 | lolufail | baggend: it's a very simple webpage, but the idiotic programmers use the header-sometemplate-footer approach with php -.- |
| 23:05.59 | lolufail | baggend: so I have to somehow cache it. |
| 23:06.13 | MichelFX | How I can to know if my port 22 is opened? |
| 23:06.27 | lolufail | baggend: and, tehre are larger files in the background, such as a firefox mirror and such |
| 23:06.42 | lolufail | MichelFX: netstat -l --numeric-ports | grep :80 |
| 23:06.50 | lolufail | oh :22 |
| 23:06.51 | lolufail | sry |
| 23:07.16 | MichelFX | Debian:/home/cristiano# netstat -l --numeric-ports | grep :22 |
| 23:07.17 | MichelFX | Debian:/home/cristiano# |
| 23:07.27 | lolufail | MichelFX: closed.... |
| 23:07.35 | MichelFX | thank you |
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| 23:07.51 | lolufail | MichelFX: np |
| 23:08.30 | Tramp | MichelFX: lsof -nitcp:22 (or just drop the tcp if you want tcp and udp) |
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| 23:09.40 | baggend | lolufail: Have you looked at using memcached along with apache? |
| 23:10.07 | lolufail | baggend: no |
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| 23:10.50 | lolufail | baggend: well, generally, the amount of real people on the server is very handleable, the other 99% are damn ddosers |
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| 23:11.30 | MichelFX | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 23:11.32 | lolufail | baggend: so I'm actually looking for some... "drop >2 connections from the same ip, and be smart about it"-stuff |
| 23:11.37 | MichelFX | Still closed |
| 23:12.57 | adb | wants to open 22 ? |
| 23:13.25 | MichelFX | yes |
| 23:13.43 | adb | openssh is installed ? |
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| 23:14.16 | lolufail | MichelFX: afaik you should see the listener even though blocked by the firewall. therefore there is no listener. |
| 23:14.47 | cafuego | lolufail: I find fail2ban handy; but it'll only drop (well, bliacklist) clients if a login fails - unless you twiddle the matching rule |
| 23:14.48 | MichelFX | understand |
| 23:14.53 | gh0st3r | im trying to install vmware server and it requires X to be installed before it can run correctly, i only want CLI access to this server and dont require GUI access, whats the packages i need to install to get access via apt-get? |
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| 23:15.12 | baggend | lolufail: This looks like it might be useful. http://www.windley.com/archives/2006/12/limit_simultaneous_connections_in_apache.shtml |
| 23:15.32 | baggend | lolufail: (I haven't used it, but I've done similar stuff with nginx before, so it should work well.) |
| 23:15.33 | cafuego | lolufail: You can certainly ratelimit via iptables quite easily. |
| 23:15.47 | MichelFX | Its because when I try to install the firewall (Fwbuilder) give me this error : |
| 23:15.51 | MichelFX | Copying /home/cristiano/FB/FIREWALL.fw -> 192.168.1.1:/etc |
| 23:15.52 | MichelFX | ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.1 port 22: No route to host |
| 23:15.54 | MichelFX | SSH session terminated, exit status: -1 |
| 23:15.56 | MichelFX | Error: Terminating install sequence |
| 23:16.04 | lolufail | baggend: I already limit max_conn to 2 with lighttpd |
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| 23:16.23 | lolufail | and I throw 403 to everyone not sending a user-agent |
| 23:16.33 | adb | MichelFX: ping 192.168.1.1 is ok ? |
| 23:17.05 | MichelFX | NO, From 192.168.1.65 icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 23:17.12 | lolufail | ddosers are retarded: 41.226.85.25 somedomain.com - [27/Apr/2009:01:16:37 +0200] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 403 345 "-" "-" |
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| 23:17.37 | lolufail | always the same request -.- hundreds of times per sec |
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| 23:18.46 | octoserver | how do i restart alsa ? mine is messed up every time i boot |
| 23:18.52 | MichelFX | adb: I tried with 192.168.1.65 |
| 23:18.53 | adb | MichelFX: firewall issue |
| 23:18.54 | MichelFX | its OK |
| 23:19.04 | MichelFX | but the firewall give the same error |
| 23:19.07 | cafuego | lolufail: Then just ipt_limit should see you sorted, really. It will make the box drop connections, but - importantly - not make the box drop ;-) |
| 23:19.07 | sepult | octoserver: i have the same problem |
| 23:19.31 | sepult | octoserver: the sources are just for the 2.6.16-1-686 kernel i think |
| 23:19.54 | octoserver | im in testing, and it seem lik ei can hear my microphone, and sometimes either alsa or the sound server get over loaded |
| 23:19.57 | cafuego | lolufail: I also find it helpful to return error 501 on all requests that are not GET, POST or HEAD. |
| 23:20.32 | lolufail | cafuego: those requests are GET :P |
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| 23:20.39 | cafuego | lolufail: Yep |
| 23:20.52 | lolufail | cafuego: ipt_limit is iptables, i presume? |
| 23:21.02 | cafuego | lolufail: And Ideally you limit them *before* they get to the webserver, I guess. |
| 23:21.05 | cafuego | lolufail: yeah |
| 23:21.27 | sepult | octoserver: my problem is, that everytime hwdep is loaded it automatically assigns card 0 to some usb-audio module which is for my webcam i think |
| 23:21.30 | lolufail | cafuego: would you recommend any mixture of iptables, caching, and my throw-403-to-idiots-approach ? |
| 23:21.40 | octoserver | i just rebooted alsa and it isnt working, could it be artd ? |
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| 23:21.50 | sepult | octoserver: so i have to unload everything and then reload |
| 23:21.55 | sepult | octoserver: then it gets it right |
| 23:21.59 | octoserver | hmm |
| 23:22.13 | cafuego | lolufail: I wouldn't throw a 403 actually; I'd throw a 5xx. |
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| 23:22.33 | sepult | octoserver: i don't know, i even tried to assign some other index to it as of /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 23:22.45 | sepult | octoserver: didn't change anything |
| 23:22.53 | lolufail | can I use mod_magnet (for throwing errors) and mod_cache together? first magnet, than cache? |
| 23:23.43 | lolufail | cafuego: good idea, I'm going to throw 500 instead |
| 23:24.20 | cafuego | lolufail: 412 actually - precondition failed (ie: missing a header :-) |
| 23:24.42 | lolufail | cafuego: yes, but then they might notice that I'm looking for useragents |
| 23:24.47 | lolufail | and just fake one |
| 23:24.47 | cafuego | there might be a suitable 500 too; don't have a list handy |
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| 23:24.59 | lolufail | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTTP_status_codes |
| 23:25.44 | cafuego | 501 would do |
| 23:25.52 | octoserver | i think my sound server isnt even running, how can i get it up and running ? |
| 23:26.04 | octoserver | i dont see artsd running anywhere |
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| 23:26.23 | octoserver | oh, i see it crap, how can i restart it ? |
| 23:26.39 | cafuego | lolufail: Just coz I suspect many busted apps would ignore a 4xx and keep making requests. Certainly some MS software does. |
| 23:27.04 | cafuego | octoserver: kill -1 usually. |
| 23:27.08 | sladi | Anyone knows why Konsole and Kmplayer for KDE4 ignore qtconfig-qt4? |
| 23:27.23 | octoserver | then just run it as root from command ? |
| 23:27.45 | sepult | sladi: maybe you forgot to tell update-alternatives ? |
| 23:27.57 | cafuego | lolufail: And yes, I'd probably mix a set of solutions. |
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| 23:28.11 | sepult | sladi: they usually are all set to qt3 somethink and not qt4 |
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| 23:28.23 | lolufail | cafuego: yeah... I hope I can get magnet AND a caching solution to work |
| 23:29.06 | octoserver | cafuego: when i kill it, it just comes pack again with the same PID ? |
| 23:29.30 | cafuego | octoserver: Yes. That's what -1 does. Tells it to reread cfg file (essentially restart) |
| 23:29.58 | n3kl | I am trying to create a package from scratch to install a single config, and bring in a bunch of packages as depends. Is there a guide I can read on creating a debian package that will just install a basic script or something? |
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| 23:30.38 | n3kl | All the information I am finding is way more complex than I need, and I am finding it hard to follow because this is not a sourcecode package or anything |
| 23:30.46 | cafuego | n3kl: You might check and see if `equivs' can include a file... |
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| 23:31.29 | octoserver | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
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| 23:31.49 | octoserver | device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory) |
| 23:31.55 | cafuego | right |
| 23:32.02 | octoserver | that is what happens when i run artsd ? |
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| 23:33.20 | octoserver | is arts vaperware? should I be using a differnet sound server ? |
| 23:33.25 | cafuego | doesn't ude arts (or kde for that matter) and i hate sound servers. HATE HATE HATE. |
| 23:33.26 | n3kl | cafuego: okay, I will check that out |
| 23:33.54 | octoserver | cafuego: what else can I do ? |
| 23:33.59 | cafuego | n3kl: otherwsie, `checkinstall' would be a cheat. |
| 23:34.27 | n3kl | yeah, but I want to learn. The information out there is very plentiful, but over my head somewhat |
| 23:35.28 | cafuego | n3kl: You could steal the debian/ subdir from a a simple existing pkg. |
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| 23:35.49 | cafuego | n3kl: that's what I usually do, on account of lazy ;-) |
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| 23:36.29 | cafuego | n3kl: *or* depending on the number of amchines you need this file and these packages on, use Puppet and not a package. |
| 23:36.39 | cafuego | octoserver: Sorry, I don't know. |
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| 23:38.10 | octoserver | weird, i can hear the test sound from skype, even with alsa and artsd shutdown? sholdnt I hear nothing ?? |
| 23:39.02 | sepult | octoserver: no, you can hear |
| 23:39.20 | sepult | octoserver: skype will surely has it's own sound engine and use the kernel modules |
| 23:39.26 | cafuego | octoserver: skype is jus using the sound device directly. |
| 23:39.30 | octoserver | i see, |
| 23:39.32 | sepult | octoserver: or so |
| 23:39.39 | cafuego | also, hearing is a function of your ears, not your computer ;-) |
| 23:39.51 | octoserver | yes as i can select differnet channels and stuff |
| 23:40.21 | octoserver | well, non of my other applications can get sound to my ears lol |
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| 23:41.19 | octoserver | if i run artsd with or without alsa even started, i get the same error which tells me something is wrong with alsa? |
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| 23:41.58 | Datzilla | Hello, how can I get rid of the warning/output that is written after using sudo? |
| 23:42.02 | octoserver | in fact, when i run the alsa-util script, after i search for the process, i cant seee anything called alsa anywhere? |
| 23:42.06 | cafuego | octoserver: You know if skype uses alsa OK and other apps do too, I'd blame artsd. |
| 23:42.24 | octoserver | i dont have alsa running it seems now |
| 23:42.34 | cafuego | octoserver: alsa is a kernel infrastructure, not a userspace server. |
| 23:42.39 | Datzilla | octoserver: Thats not you with the youtube vid on your assembly of your server is it? |
| 23:42.56 | octoserver | no lol |
| 23:43.04 | Datzilla | ok, just checking. :P |
| 23:43.06 | octoserver | not yet anyway |
| 23:43.11 | octoserver | i wish |
| 23:43.24 | Datzilla | might check it out. ;) |
| 23:43.28 | cafuego | octoserver: You could probably check the alsa devic by running 'alsamixer' |
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| 23:43.56 | cafuego | octoserver: if that brings up a text based mixer interface, alsa is fine. |
| 23:44.17 | Datzilla | looks like it was octocore actually. :) |
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| 23:44.27 | cafuego | in which case you can probably tell KDE to use alsa directly and not artsd. |
| 23:44.42 | octoserver | i ran alsa-utils stop, and it said it stopped alsa? what was it actually doind i wonder? |
| 23:44.49 | sepult | but i think the easiest would be to open drscheme, load your myprogram.ss in it and your web application |
| 23:44.51 | octoserver | i ran alsamixer and it came up |
| 23:44.53 | sepult | uuuups |
| 23:45.12 | cafuego | octoserver: alsa-utils stop would probably same mixer settings to a persistent file somewhere |
| 23:45.19 | cafuego | s/same/save/ |
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| 23:46.37 | octoserver | actually, when i run alsa mixer all i can see is a microphone capture not the rest of it ? |
| 23:46.50 | cafuego | hmm |
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| 23:47.35 | octoserver | actualy, i dont think it seels my sound card |
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| 23:47.58 | octoserver | does Kmixer use alsa? i can see my sound card in kmixer |
| 23:47.59 | Polarina | What do I change in /etc/ssh/sshd_config to force compression with scp? |
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| 23:48.23 | plain | hey guys, i just got a vps with 2 ips, i was wondering what would be the most effective method to map a username's home directory to 1 ip address? |
| 23:48.31 | abrotman | Polarina: don't think you can |
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| 23:48.56 | abrotman | Polarina: the sshd_config man page doesn't really mention it other than a basic option |
| 23:48.58 | Polarina | abrotman: Any way to disable scp downloads that isn't being used with compression? |
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| 23:49.12 | octoserver | crap, all alsa sees is my usb wecam microphone, it doesnt even see my sound card? |
| 23:49.23 | octoserver | is there a way to fix that lol |
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| 23:49.49 | Manoj | if people do not like something that kernel-package does, they can change its behaviour using an override directory. Every aspect of the make-kpkg behaviour can be changed. You can make it still run your vootloader, call mkinitramfs, or whatever you want |
| 23:50.05 | abrotman | loves his vootloader |
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| 23:50.30 | plain | anyone? |
| 23:50.57 | abrotman | plain: your question doesn't make much sense |
| 23:51.04 | plain | orly. |
| 23:51.12 | plain | well, i have 2 ips on my vps |
| 23:51.16 | plain | i can use 2 of them instead of 1 |
| 23:51.19 | abrotman | yrly |
| 23:51.24 | plain | and i want to map 1 ip to a user |
| 23:51.43 | octoserver | how can i check to see if the version of alsa i have is the latest one ? |
| 23:51.51 | plain | for instance, i create a user called maximon, i want that user to access only 1 of those ips with anything they compile and get |
| 23:52.12 | plain | and if they use 0 or localhost, i want it to use that 1 ip automatically |
| 23:52.43 | plain | does that make more sense? |
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| 23:53.08 | abrotman | maybe with iptables |
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| 23:53.50 | octoserver | can i reinstall alsa? I try and it doesnt do anything , i cant purge it either ? |
| 23:53.53 | cafuego | certainly with iptables |
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| 23:54.16 | cafuego | or you could use that IP on a vserver and save yourself pain |
| 23:54.18 | abrotman | plain: if i'm understanding your question correctly anyways |
| 23:54.22 | simNIX | octoserver, why ? |
| 23:54.46 | octoserver | i just want to reinstall it ad make sure i have the latest one, someting is wrong with my alsa |
| 23:54.54 | octoserver | it isnt seeing my sound card |
| 23:55.00 | simNIX | reinstallng wi lgive same version .... |
| 23:55.01 | octoserver | just my usb webcam mic |
| 23:55.14 | simNIX | ... if newer is out updates wil mod current one .. |
| 23:55.22 | plain | iptables, hm |
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| 23:55.52 | octoserver | crap, i tryed to reinstall it and it couldnt even find the package |
| 23:56.28 | simNIX | this ins not windows - if its installed its the same if you reinstall |
| 23:56.32 | octoserver | can you update individual packaaages ? |
| 23:56.45 | simNIX | whats the sound card ? |
| 23:56.57 | cafuego | plain: Use linux-vserver to create a different vserver chroot (with a different IP) for each user. They can do whatever they like in their vserver chroot, but not access anything else. An IP is bound to a vserver, so all they can use is that IP. |
| 23:56.58 | octoserver | well im not sure if it is up to date, sound blaster |
| 23:57.05 | octoserver | it used to work fine |
| 23:57.16 | octoserver | in fact, it worked an hour aga |
| 23:57.18 | octoserver | ago |
| 23:57.23 | simNIX | if you run a desktop you wil be notified of ay available updates and yes you can select some and some not |
| 23:57.43 | cafuego | plain: it's kind of like a virtual machine, except requires no special hardware. |
| 23:57.53 | mirak | is it normal that amd64 modules are so big ? |
| 23:58.01 | plain | is it difficult to setup? |
| 23:58.14 | cafuego | mirak: twice as big as i386 ones? |
| 23:58.21 | simNIX | did you try a google debian sound blaster ? - > http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+sound+blaster&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:nl:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
| 23:58.25 | mirak | cafuego: 10 |
| 23:58.26 | cafuego | plain: Nah, I don't think so. |
| 23:58.27 | mirak | lol |
| 23:58.37 | mirak | cafuego: don't know what happened |
| 23:58.43 | simNIX | should be able to get that tto work through configuring, reinstalling realy wont help |
| 23:58.52 | plain | cafuego: that sounds exactly what i want :) |
| 23:59.05 | mirak | like ivtv.ko is 3,7 mega bytes |
| 23:59.06 | octoserver | simNIX: it has always worked up to an hour ago |
| 23:59.24 | simNIX | then I would reseat the card .. |
| 23:59.32 | cafuego | plain: you'll need to install and boot the -vserver kernel; then you can use the vserver utils to create chroots. |
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| 23:59.51 | simNIX | what version Debain octoserver ? |
